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Title: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Lovinlife on February 26, 2010, 10:09:04 AM
Sweet_Justice posted this in Amber Dubois thread! TY!

http://www.nctimes.com/news/local/rancho-bernardo/article_0ac99cb2-22b6-11df-b40c-001cc4c03286.html

RANCHO BERNARDO: Missing Poway teen the focus of overnight search
Chelsea King, 17, didn't return from afternoon run

North County Times | Posted: February 26, 2010 12:40 am | 1 Comment | Print

Font Size: Default font size Larger font size San Diego County Sheriff's deputies began the search for a missing Poway teenager Thursday night, NBC San Diego has reported.

Chelsea King, 17, planned to go for a run after school at the Rancho Bernardo Community Park. Her car was located in the area.

Chelsea is a long distance runner for Poway High School. When she didn't return home after dark, her parents contacted authorities.

NBC San Diego reported that more than 100 sheriff's deputies and volunteers had set up a command center at the park and planned to search through the night.

The search of the rugged terrain is taking place on the ground by foot and all-terrain vehicles, and by air using sheriff's helicopters.

Chelsea is reported to be wearing running gear. She is blonde with a thin build.

Anyone with information can call 911 or the sheriff's department dispatch line at (858) 565-5200.



Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Lovinlife on February 26, 2010, 10:15:00 AM
Here's a physical description, I'm still looking for photo

http://beforeitsnews.com/story/20456/Chelsea_King_Missing_Poway_Teen_In_Rancho_Bernado_Disappears_On_Jog.html

Chelsea King Missing Poway Teen In Rancho Bernado Disappears On Jog

Contributed by Anonymous (Editor)
Friday, February 26, 2010 8:16
More stories from this contributor161 people have read this story    San Diego, CA - San Diego County Sheriff's Department has notified the public of a missing teen.  The news of Chelsea King missing after she left her car for a job (sic) at the Rancho Bernardo Community Park after school.

 Chelsea King, 17, is an avid distance runner for Poway High School who often takes long runs in rural areas.

She reportedly parked her car on West Bernardo Drive and did not return to her car.  Chelsea King was reported missing by her Family Late on Thursday.  The San Diego Sheriffs Department has launched  a 100 person search and rescue operation.

Chelsea King went missing after notifying family that she planned on going for a run after school.

Chelsea King Description:

Chelsea is described as follows:
Sex: Female
Race: Caucasian
Height: 5’ 5”
Weight: 115 pounds
Hair: Blonde
Eyes: Blue

People with Information Call:

San Diego Sheriff’s Department: 565-5200
Crime Stoppers: (619) 531-1500 or (619)531-1547



Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Sweet_Justice on February 26, 2010, 10:30:29 AM
(http://media.signonsandiego.com/img/photos/2010/02/26/PressRelease_t600.jpg?42b0fb247f69dabe2ae440581a34634cbc5420f3)

This is the image being used by our local news stations. Hopefully they release more pictures soon.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Edward on February 26, 2010, 11:51:43 AM
It is so sad that women continue to do things like jog alone.
It is so sad that Americans living today can not see that we are under attack by illegal aliens who prey on out children and adults.

It is a sad time in history where Americans have lost there ability to think and stand up as well as fight back.

It is sad.



Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Tracygirl on February 26, 2010, 02:06:56 PM
Wow this is close to where amber went missing. Did she normally run in this area at this time of day?


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: no rose colored glasses on February 26, 2010, 03:09:02 PM
Wow this is close to where amber went missing. Did she normally run in this area at this time of day?
That is what I was wondering  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Lovinlife on February 26, 2010, 04:15:44 PM
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/feb/26/search-continues-for-missing-poway-teen/?imw=Y

Search continues for missing Poway teen
By Michael Burge, UNION-TRIBUNE STAFF WRITER

Karen Kucher, UNION-TRIBUNE STAFF WRITER

Originally published February 26, 2010 at 6:18 a.m., updated February 26, 2010 at 11:56 a.m.

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Poway High School student Chelsea King disappeared while jogging around Lake Hodges Thursday evening.

SAN DIEGO — As volunteers and law enforcement officers continued to search for a missing 17-year-old Poway girl who disappeared from a Rancho Bernardo park Thursday, the teen’s distraught parents asked people to pray for her and to help bring her home.

Dozens of people, assisted with dogs, all-terrain vehicles and helicopters, searched overnight near Lake Hodges for Chelsea King, who went missing Thursday when she went for a run.

The Poway High School senior planned on going running at Rancho Bernardo Community Park on West Bernardo Drive near Aguamiel Road on Thursday and was reported missing by her family when she failed to return home.

“We’ve been missing our daughter since six o’clock last night,” said Chelsea’s father, Brent King, who praised the sheriff’s and police departments’ exhaustive search efforts. “We are praying for Chelsea to come home and find us.”

“Anybody out there, if you know anything about her, please just help us bring her home,” her mother, Kelly King, said through tears. “She’s such a good girl.”

Sheriff Bill Gore said his department was treating Chelsea’s disappearance as a missing-persons case, not a crime, and was following every lead and interviewing any witness.

He said search teams, which have come from as far away as Riverside, San Bernardino and Santa Barbara counties, were retracing steps taken during the night in the fog in hopes of uncovering something new.

“We’re doing all the logical steps and searching the logical area to make sure we didn’t miss anything,” Gore said. “Hopefully we will have some positive results as the day goes on.”

Gore said Chelsea’s runs averaged four to six miles, so the search is focusing on those distances between the community park and the lake.

The search area was bustling with police and volunteers Friday morning, including some with specially trained dogs. Helicopters flew overhead continuously and some hovered low, allowing searchers the chance to give the ground a close inspection.

Shortly before noon, two inflatable boats from the Del Mar lifeguards were towed to the search area. A sheriff’s spokeswoman said a search of Lake Hodges was planned.

Volunteers were given stacks of fliers to distribute to businesses and residents in the area to see if anyone had seen the girl.

Chelsea is “a happy girl going for a run and didn’t come back,” said Stephanie Dorian, who is Chelsea’s cousin.

“She’s a typical all-American gal. She’s very easygoing, successful with what she does. She’s a straight-A student and avid runner,” she said.

Dorian said the family is “devastated” but doing the best they can.

Deputies used cell towers to determine that Chelsea’s cell phone was near the park. Her phone was found inside her locked car Thursday night.

Sheriff’s Sgt. Don Parker, the search coordinator, said nothing useful has been found so far. “Nothing at all,” he said.

Parker said the group is searching an area larger than 20 square miles. Rancho Bernardo Community Park lies on the southern shore of Lake Hodges. It is laced with trails that weave through brush-covered hills and link the community park and the lake.

“Any time a child goes missing it is a serious issue.” said Linda Farmer, a Poway school employee who planned to hand out fliers. Farmer said her daughter and Chelsea are the same age.

Chelsea has blond hair, blue eyes, is 5 feet 5 inches tall and weighs about 115 pounds.

She is a member of the Poway High School cross country running team and plays French horn in the San Diego Youth Symphony.

Principal Scott Fisher spoke to students Friday morning at the beginning of the school day via the intercom system about their missing classmate. Counselors have been available all day for students, said school district spokeswoman Sharon Raffer.

Chelsea was known to run all over Poway. City Manager Penny Riley said City Hall employees have seen her running on many occasions. “What a beautiful girl she is,” Riley said.



Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: piwannaberookie on February 26, 2010, 04:41:12 PM
I wonder what the park ranger has to say about this.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Sweet_Justice on February 26, 2010, 06:50:58 PM
It is so sad that women continue to do things like jog alone.
It is so sad that Americans living today can not see that we are under attack by illegal aliens who prey on out children and adults.

It is a sad time in history where Americans have lost there ability to think and stand up as well as fight back.

It is sad.



With all due respect,

I think it is more sad that women can't do something as simple as jog without running the risk of being attacked. Chelsea and all other women deserve the freedom that men enjoy. She did nothing wrong...it is society that is sick.

It is also important to not blame a group of people (illegal immigrants) for the heinous acts that are committed by every race. We have no idea who did this to Amber or Chelsea. The truth is child predators come in every size, shape, and color. I live in San Diego, so I do understand your concern about crime and illegal immigration. It is a problem, but I think we need to be careful not to use them as scapegoats. Our own citizens also do awful things. We need reform. I am tired of being a 23yr old girl and having to watch my back every second I go into public alone. It truly is sad Edward.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Sweet_Justice on February 26, 2010, 07:09:37 PM
Wow this is close to where amber went missing. Did she normally run in this area at this time of day?
That is what I was wondering  ::MonkeyEek::

It is roughly 8.5 miles from Escondido High in North Escondido to Rancho Bernardo Community Park, It would take 10-15 mins depending on traffic. Lake Hodges divides Escondido and Rancho Bernardo. There is an Escondido side and a Rancho Bernardo side. The level of the lake varies greatly. Throughout my life I have seen it everywhere from full to very empty. If you go to google and put in a direction search from Escondido High School to Rancho Bernardo Community Park you will get a better idea of what I'm describing.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: mgoblue on February 26, 2010, 10:03:32 PM
Good Evening Monkeys: This family is a friend of my sister's co-worker.   Obviously they are shocked and worried beyond belief. I'll certainly keep you posted of anything I find out, but any assistance you can offer would be truly appreciated.  Unfortunately I work full time during the day, but will do my best to provide updates.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: MuffyBee on February 26, 2010, 10:25:24 PM
Good Evening Monkeys: This family is a friend of my sister's co-worker.   Obviously they are shocked and worried beyond belief. I'll certainly keep you posted of anything I find out, but any assistance you can offer would be truly appreciated.  Unfortunately I work full time during the day, but will do my best to provide updates.

Good evening mgoblue.  I can't begin to imagine how hard this would be.  Shocked and worried beyond belief would just be a start, I think.   ::MonkeyNoNo::  Chelsea and her family will be in my thoughts and prayers.  Any updates would be appreciated when you are able to give them.   Thank you mgo.   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: mgoblue on February 26, 2010, 10:30:58 PM
thanks muffy. Like everyone else, I just can't imagine the pain they are going through.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: klaasend on February 26, 2010, 10:31:49 PM
http://www.10news.com/news/22678790/detail.html

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Authorities, Volunteers Continue Search For Missing Poway Teen
Chelsea King Reported Missing Thursday

POSTED: 12:14 am PST February 26, 2010
UPDATED: 6:50 pm PST February 26, 2010

SAN DIEGO -- Scores of law enforcement officers and volunteers combed open areas near Lake Hodges with tracking dogs Friday in search of a North County teen who went missing after going out on one of her regular after-school runs.

Chelsea King, 17, of Poway disappeared after parking her BMW sedan outside Rancho Bernardo Community Center on Thursday afternoon, according to Jan Caldwell, a spokeswoman for the San Diego County Sheriff's Department.

When Chelsea was several hours overdue in returning home, her parents reported her missing.

Deputies looked for her through the night, and Friday morning, law enforcement personnel from Riverside County arrived with service dogs to help search. Additional canines from other agencies within San Diego County were also deployed, and personnel aboard boats combed the shore and waters of Lake Hodges.

Also aiding in the search were personnel from the FBI, the San Diego Police Department, the San Diego Fire-Rescue Department and the Del Mar Lifeguard Service.

There was no evidence indicating that Chelsea might be a runaway, Caldwell said.

Early Friday evening, searchers reported finding a shoe possibly belonging to the girl in an open area near the lake, and deputies were bringing in her parents to see if it was hers, according to television news accounts.

On Friday morning, a "reverse 911" call went out to Rancho Bernardo-area residents, urging them to immediately report any possible sightings of the missing teen. Dozens of friends and family, meanwhile, gathered at a command center near where Chelsea disappeared, though they were not directly assisting in the search, authorities said.

Classmates of Chelsea's took the day off from school so they could pass out missing-person fliers.

Shawna Watson, a Rancho Bernardo resident who regularly jogs the trails in the area, said a person could easily run five miles to Escondido and back and that it's likely other people would be in the area.

"At some point in your run, you're going to pass someone, every once in a while," she said.

During a 5 p.m. briefing, Sheriff Bill Gore told reporters that the search teams crisscrossing the undeveloped northern reaches of Rancho Bernardo were committed to finding the missing high-schooler.

"Our search continues," Gore said. "We have about 60 members of our search-and-rescue team who are still scouring the area. We have dive teams that are looking along the shoreline of Lake Hodges. We have investigators who are out in neighborhoods, talking to acquaintances of Chelsea."

Deputies have impounded the girl's home computer and cell phone, the sheriff said.

"We're in the process of downloading information from (them), seeing if there might be anything that might of help to us in our (effort) to return Chelsea to her parents," Gore said. "Obviously, I think we're going to be here through the night ... working the search, and (continuing) to contact friends and acquaintances."

Searchers were holding out hope that the girl simply got lost and will be found unharmed, the sheriff said.

"I'm still optimistic," he said. "It's a big area we're looking through, and hopefully we'll get the right lead or the right clue or the right tip that takes us to Chelsea and we'll get her back home in the near future."

Earlier in the day, Gore described the teen's parents as "worried to death."

"They want their daughter home safe and sound," he said.

Chelsea, who is due to graduate from Poway High School this spring, is white, 5 feet 5 inches tall and 115 pounds, with strawberry blond hair and blue eyes. She is a member of the San Diego Youth Symphony and a straight-A student, and has been eagerly awaiting college acceptance letters, a family spokeswoman told reporters.

Anyone with information on the girl's whereabouts was urged to call the Sheriff's Department at 858-565-5200.



Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: klaasend on February 26, 2010, 10:33:38 PM
Facebook - help find Chelsea:

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=325634048499&ref=search&sid=508180468.958826203..1

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Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: klaasend on February 26, 2010, 10:37:10 PM
Pretty sure this is her Myspace, set to private:

http://www.myspace.com/chelseawashere00

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub8/ChelseaMyspace.jpg)


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: klaasend on February 26, 2010, 10:41:46 PM
Rancho Bernardo Community Park aerial view:



(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub8/RanchoBerrnCommPk.jpg)


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Tracygirl on February 26, 2010, 11:40:56 PM
So this case has some similarities with Ambers case. Both are high school students, both have red or strawberry blond hair, both went missing when they were out alone either before or after school, not sure if it means anything but both are good students and of course both went missing in the same month, February, hmmm could this be the same person? Are there any other similarities between these 2 girls? 
I pray they find her. I don't like that a shoe was found. Is there anymore on that?


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Shell on February 27, 2010, 12:29:29 AM

It is February, it is another teenager abducted and the location is close to Escondido. I immediately wondered if there is a connection with Amber missing.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: crazybabyborg on February 27, 2010, 12:32:45 AM
Good Evening Monkeys: This family is a friend of my sister's co-worker.   Obviously they are shocked and worried beyond belief. I'll certainly keep you posted of anything I find out, but any assistance you can offer would be truly appreciated.  Unfortunately I work full time during the day, but will do my best to provide updates.

Thank you, mgoblue, for letting us know. Chelsea and her family are in my prayers. I just can't imagine how hard this is on her family, and I pray that Chelsea will be found safe and sound. Thanks too for any updates you can provide.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Tracygirl on February 27, 2010, 01:34:16 AM
Interesting article. It gives a more detailed glimps of this girl. Apparently she was involved in some kind of peer counseling and also does some tutoring? she also is known to change into running cloths and go for a jog after school in this area.  What I noticed that I think is sort of odd is the two moms kind of look alike. 

http://www.pomeradonews.com/article/News/News/Seach_for_teen_will_continue_through_weekend/32666

The search for 17-year-old Chelsea King will continue through the night and weekend in Rancho Bernardo Community Park’s open space San Diego Sheriff Bill Gore said Friday night.
“Obviously, we want a quick end to the search for Chelsea so we can bring her back to her parents,” Gore said.
The lack of clues almost 24 hours after Brent King discovered his daughter’s black BMW in the Rancho Bernardo-Glassman Recreation Center parking lot near the tennis courts around 6:45 p.m. Thursday is concerning, Gore said, “but we’re still optimistic.”
As about 60 search and rescue team members continue to search the park via air and ground, Gore said other investigators are talking to those living in nearby homes. In addition, dive teams have been searching the Lake Hodges shoreline.
 The Laura Recovery Center Foundation is organizing locals who want to help in the search on Saturday. Volunteers must be at least 18 years old, bring a valid ID and dress for the weather, said Fiona Oberrick, a foundation member from Sabre Springs. They should also wear comfortable shoes and bring water. They will be sent to assigned areas in groups of 10 to 15 volunteers for two-hour shifts between 1 and 4 p.m., she said.
Volunteers are to meet — rain or shine — at the RB United office, 11858 Bernardo Plaza Court, Suite 200 in Rancho Bernardo. It is behind Citibank. For details, call 858-485-8502.
 The group has conducted such searches “in tandem” with law enforcement before, Oberrick said. These included the search for Danielle Van Dam, the 7-year-old abducted from her Sabre Springs home in 2002, and Amber Dubois, who disappeared while walking to Escondido High in February 2009.
Due to the search for King, all activities in Rancho Bernardo Community Park have been canceled for this weekend, said Teri Adams, the recreation center’s director.
King was last seen around 2 p.m. Thursday at Poway High, where she is a senior. Authorities said it is believed the cross-country team member went to run after school.
In a Friday afternoon press conference, Gore said after King did not come home, her parents called AT&T to locate her cell phone. That’s how her father located her car and then contacted the sheriff’s department.
Gore said it was King’s habit after school to change from school clothes into jogging clothes and run for four to six miles in the RB park and other local areas.

Authorities are also checking the teenager’s home computer and her cell phone, found inside her car with her school clothes.
King’s parents, Brent and Kelly King, along with Gore, spoke at a press conference late Friday morning.
“We’ve been missing our daughter since 6 last night,” Brent King said. “We’vee been provided with every resource available to locate her and are praying (for) Chelsea..”
 The tearful mother said she wanted to thank all the volunteers who are looking for their daughter.
“Please help us bring her home,” she said. “She’s such a good girl.”
The missing teen is 5 feet, 5 inches tall, 115 pounds with strawberry blonde hair and blue eyes.
Thus far, volunteers have devoted their efforts to making and posting fliers throughout Rancho Bernardo and Poway.
Linda Farmer, a Poway Unified budget analyst, said she was one of the volunteers because her daughter is a friend of King.
“I’m very concerned,” Farmer said. “Any time a child is missing is a serious issue.”
Poway High junior Yadira Molina, 17, was among the cross country and track team members who came to the park Friday morning looking for ways to help.
Molina, who learned of her friend’s disappearance Thursday night via Facebook, said she knows King through peer counseling, one of her many activities.
Relative Stephanie Dorian is among the out-of-area family members who have come to comfort King’s parents and 13-year-old brother, Tyler. The family moved to Poway three years ago from Chicago, Ill.
Dorian described King as “a tremendously amazing ... intelligent and resourceful girl.”
Mike Cook, director of instrumental music at Poway High, said, “Chelsea has a very bubbly personality, always smiling.” For the past two years, she has been first chair for the French horn section in the school’s wind symphony, he said.
King has also volunteered at clean-ups and tutors local youth.
Anyone with information about King’s disappearance  is asked to call the San Diego County Sheriff at 858-565-5200.
 Staff Writer Pat Kumpan contributed to this story.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Tracygirl on February 27, 2010, 01:47:05 AM
What does this mean,

King has also volunteered at clean-ups  and tutors local youth.

What are "clean ups"?
It was also mentioned she did other volunteer work, did she happen to volunteer to at any of the Amber events such as the walk a-thon? 


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: mizjay on February 27, 2010, 03:46:14 AM
What sad news, I pray that she is found safe.
So much like Amber's abduction,  so close, the time of year, daytime etc. This time it looks like they are taking it seriously immediately , that can only help.



Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: mizjay on February 27, 2010, 04:27:42 AM
It is so sad that women continue to do things like jog alone.
It is so sad that Americans living today can not see that we are under attack by illegal aliens who prey on out children and adults.

It is a sad time in history where Americans have lost there ability to think and stand up as well as fight back.

It is sad.


I do agree with Sweet Justice's comment down thread about blanket blame on any one group, but a side note that just occurred to me, when I was coming home this afternoon, my exit is 3 down from where Chelsea was and there was a unusually large group of guys, 25-30 hanging out on the sidewalk and underpass. There is usually only a few visible, the rest are up in the canyon so guess word spread that it was safer in the open than in their makeshift camp spots.
We don't know what happened to her or who may be involved but I do resent the fact that there are many, many men that live in these canyons year round and it's creepy to use the paved and unpaved trails because just a few feet from where you are walking or riding there is often men lounging/sleeping. We won't even allow the 13 yr olds to ride or skate in pairs near there.     


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: trimmonthelake on February 27, 2010, 06:46:16 AM
http://www.sdentertainer.com/features/neighborhood/poway-teen-chelsea-king-missing-search-efforts-continue/

Poway teen missing – Chelsea King search efforts continue

Posted by Anny H. Ruth on Friday, February 26, 2010 · 2 Comments
News of Poway teen Chelsea King’s disappearance on February 25 has spread quickly. 17 year old King, a member of Poway High School’s cross country running team, went for a run on Thursday and did not return.
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According to reports, King often runs in the Rancho Bernardo Community Park. The park lies on the southern shore of Lake Hodges and includes trails that weave through hills and connect to Lake Hodges.

Search crews were dispatched last night and today the search continues. San Diego County search teams have enlisted special canine units to aide in the search and boats have been brought north to assist in the search on Lake Hodges.

Rancho Bernardo-area residents have been contacted and alerted to report if they have seen the teen. In this time, we ask that all members of the San Diego community remain alert. Anyone with information on King is asked to report to the sheriff’s department (858) 565-5200) or the county Crime Stoppers (619-531-2000). King is white, around 5 feet 5 and 115 pounds, with blonde hair and blue eyes.
Anytime someone goes missing, residents of San Diego should be on high alert. Times like these remind us to stay alert and take proper safety precautions.

Every day thousands of San Diego residents enjoy running or walking on the hundreds of trails our city has to offer. While running outside is far nicer than hitting the treadmill, there are far more risks. Please be careful and head this advice:

    * Run outside during daylight hours, especially if you’re alone. At night, wear reflective clothing and always run with a partner or in a group.
    * Always run in familiar areas, or areas with other runners and hikers.
    * Refrain from running with headphones. If you must, keep them at a low volume or in one ear so you can be aware of your surroundings.
    * Carry an ID, emergency contact information, and a cell phone with you.
    * Buy and carry pepper spray
    * Take a self defense class
    * Always trust your instincts. If you feel unsafe or uncomfortable, seek refuge as soon as possible.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: klaasend on February 27, 2010, 09:07:55 AM
What does this mean,

King has also volunteered at clean-ups  and tutors local youth.

What are "clean ups"?
It was also mentioned she did other volunteer work, did she happen to volunteer to at any of the Amber events such as the walk a-thon? 

I imagine cleaning up the side of the road or area near the school.  There is a HS near us and occasionally I see HS kids picking up trash near the school.  You know how kids can litter.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: klaasend on February 27, 2010, 09:16:45 AM
http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local-beat/Search-Underway-for-Missing-Poway-Teen-85480472.html

(http://media.nbcsandiego.com/images/410*307/Chelsea-King-Blurb.jpg)

Missing Teen May Have Been Abducted: FBI

By MICHELLE WAYLAND
Updated 5:56 PM PST, Fri, Feb 26, 2010

The FBI is now involved in a missing girl case in Poway, looking into the possibility that Chelsea King may have been abducted. Investigators have taken Chelsea’s computer and cell phone into custody, according to Sheriff Bill Gore.

Friends, neighbors and family members joined search and rescue teams from San Diego, Santa Barbara and Riverside counties as well as San Diego police to search a web of running trails just south of Lake Hodges Friday looking for the Poway High School student who has been missing since Thursday afternoon.

“We have dive teams that are looking along the shore lines of Lake Hodges,” Gore said at a 5 p.m. press conference. “Obviously we're concerned otherwise we wouldn't have all these resources out here looking for her. But I'm still optimistic.”

King, 17, went for a run about 2 p.m. Thursday at Rancho Bernardo Community Park. When it got dark and her parents hadn't heard from her, they became worried and called police.

View more news videos at: http://www.nbcsandiego.com/video.




Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: klaasend on February 27, 2010, 09:19:21 AM
FYI - I live north of San Diego and it's raining pretty good right now.  They are forcasting rain most of the day so I'm sure it will hamper the search today.  They do expect it will clear up by tomorrow.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: no rose colored glasses on February 27, 2010, 10:13:33 AM
I've been thinking about mountain lions. The park by my house where people go hiking at, has signs up about this, and several hikers have been attacked since I've lived here.  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: SunnyinTX on February 27, 2010, 10:51:53 AM
I hope she is found quickly..........prayers for her and her family......but I don't have a good feeling about this........ ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: klaasend on February 27, 2010, 11:20:57 AM
http://www.mylocalnews.com/

Seach for teen will continue through weekend
Elizabeth Marie Himchak
Published 02/26/2010 - 8:10 p.m.

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Seach for teen will continue through weekend

The search for 17-year-old Chelsea King will continue through the night and weekend in Rancho Bernardo Community Park’s open space San Diego Sheriff Bill Gore said Friday night.

“Obviously, we want a quick end to the search for Chelsea so we can bring her back to her parents,” Gore said.

The lack of clues almost 24 hours after Brent King discovered his daughter’s black BMW in the Rancho Bernardo-Glassman Recreation Center parking lot near the tennis courts around 6:45 p.m. Thursday is concerning, Gore said, “but we’re still optimistic.”

As about 60 search and rescue team members continue to search the park via air and ground, Gore said other investigators are talking to those living in nearby homes. In addition, dive teams have been searching the Lake Hodges shoreline.

 The Laura Recovery Center Foundation is organizing locals who want to help in the search on Saturday. Volunteers must be at least 18 years old, bring a valid ID and dress for the weather, said Fiona Oberrick, a foundation member from Sabre Springs. They should also wear comfortable shoes and bring water. They will be sent to assigned areas in groups of 10 to 15 volunteers for two-hour shifts between 1 and 4 p.m., she said.

Volunteers are to meet — rain or shine — at the RB United office, 11858 Bernardo Plaza Court, Suite 200 in Rancho Bernardo. It is behind Citibank. For details, call 858-485-8502.

 The group has conducted such searches “in tandem” with law enforcement before, Oberrick said. These included the search for Danielle Van Dam, the 7-year-old abducted from her Sabre Springs home in 2002, and Amber Dubois, who disappeared while walking to Escondido High in February 2009.

Due to the search for King, all activities in Rancho Bernardo Community Park have been canceled for this weekend, said Teri Adams, the recreation center’s director.

King was last seen around 2 p.m. Thursday at Poway High, where she is a senior. Authorities said it is believed the cross-country team member went to run after school.

In a Friday afternoon press conference, Gore said after King did not come home, her parents called AT&T to locate her cell phone. That’s how her father located her car and then contacted the sheriff’s department.

Gore said it was King’s habit after school to change from school clothes into jogging clothes and run for four to six miles in the RB park and other local areas.

Authorities are also checking the teenager’s home computer and her cell phone, found inside her car with her school clothes.

King’s parents, Brent and Kelly King, along with Gore, spoke at a press conference late Friday morning.

“We’ve been missing our daughter since 6 last night,” Brent King said. “We’vee been provided with every resource available to locate her and are praying (for) Chelsea..”

 The tearful mother said she wanted to thank all the volunteers who are looking for their daughter.

“Please help us bring her home,” she said. “She’s such a good girl.”

The missing teen is 5 feet, 5 inches tall, 115 pounds with strawberry blonde hair and blue eyes.

Thus far, volunteers have devoted their efforts to making and posting fliers throughout Rancho Bernardo and Poway.

Linda Farmer, a Poway Unified budget analyst, said she was one of the volunteers because her daughter is a friend of King.

“I’m very concerned,” Farmer said. “Any time a child is missing is a serious issue.”

Poway High junior Yadira Molina, 17, was among the cross country and track team members who came to the park Friday morning looking for ways to help.

Molina, who learned of her friend’s disappearance Thursday night via Facebook, said she knows King through peer counseling, one of her many activities.

Relative Stephanie Dorian is among the out-of-area family members who have come to comfort King’s parents and 13-year-old brother, Tyler. The family moved to Poway three years ago from Chicago, Ill.

Dorian described King as “a tremendously amazing ... intelligent and resourceful girl.”

Mike Cook, director of instrumental music at Poway High, said, “Chelsea has a very bubbly personality, always smiling.” For the past two years, she has been first chair for the French horn section in the school’s wind symphony, he said.

King has also volunteered at clean-ups and tutors local youth.

Anyone with information about King’s disappearance  is asked to call the San Diego County Sheriff at 858-565-5200.

 Staff Writer Pat Kumpan contributed to this story.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: no rose colored glasses on February 27, 2010, 11:24:24 AM
I hope she is found quickly..........prayers for her and her family......but I don't have a good feeling about this........ ::MonkeyNoNo::
I don't have a good feeling either, what a beautiful young girl  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: klaasend on February 27, 2010, 11:30:14 AM
On the Poway topix site:

http://www.topix.com/forum/city/poway-ca/TKPER0AGU4H7P3V8S

Quote
Jabb
Escondido, CA

#2
17 hrs ago

I am a runner too. I park my car and run the trails there as well. BUT I head down the hill to the big bridge across from I-15. Maybe she did that? You have run back up the big hill at the end to get back to your car-being a runner I know it's a good work out after those trails. Also there is that semi-clean port-o-potty at the end of the bridge. I've seen some shady characters on those trails too! I am no detective but I think it maybe worth taking a dog or 2 through the trails down that way. God bless her and her family!


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: klaasend on February 27, 2010, 11:58:04 AM
More on the search...


(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub8/th_278EB472_AuthoritiescombRanchoBerna.jpg) (http://s118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub8/?action=view&current=278EB472_AuthoritiescombRanchoBerna.flv)


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: no rose colored glasses on February 27, 2010, 12:41:28 PM
On the Poway topix site:

http://www.topix.com/forum/city/poway-ca/TKPER0AGU4H7P3V8S

Quote
Jabb
Escondido, CA

#2
17 hrs ago

I am a runner too. I park my car and run the trails there as well. BUT I head down the hill to the big bridge across from I-15. Maybe she did that? You have run back up the big hill at the end to get back to your car-being a runner I know it's a good work out after those trails. Also there is that semi-clean port-o-potty at the end of the bridge. I've seen some shady characters on those trails too! I am no detective but I think it maybe worth taking a dog or 2 through the trails down that way. God bless her and her family!
Federal Police Seeking information on the wanted in question man Chris Pirillo. If anyone has any whereabouts of this man, DO NOT APPROCHED HIM, dial 911 and report I.D. incident # CA.-L.A.CO.00334HH7R

Suspect brn hr.
Brn eyes
5'10
155 lbs.
driving Northbound I-5 frwy at a high rate speed. Suspect last seen in Woodland Hills, Ca passing North Hollywood into Burbank, took the I-5 North Bound Exit, law enforcement seeks the Public's help.
Wearing kaki shirt, light brn pants, dress shoes, suspect wanted in question for Rape with excessive force. Victim at scene. Suspect fled police before police arrived late last night. Los Angeles County Connor's Office DPL    ::MonkeyEek::  Just saw this on the link you provided.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: ArmChairAnalysist on February 27, 2010, 12:50:08 PM
It's raining like mad in Escondido this morning and I would guess it is raining in Rancho Bernardo as well. This means crucial evedance is being washed away and searching is going to be muddy very muddy.

I did notice that the picture that klass put up looks like Chelsea was on a train. How long ago was that train ride? Amber use to take the train. Was it the same train route?

Could she have been abducted in the parking lot before she went on the run? Was anyone else running at around the same time? Could a car have pulled in just after she did in the parking lot?


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: no rose colored glasses on February 27, 2010, 12:59:10 PM
Teenage Runner Chelsea King Missing, Abduction Suspected
February 27th, 2010 - 8:39 pm ICT by GD Tell a Friend -

By Ranjan Bhaduri
kingSan Diego, Feb 27, (THAINDIAN NEWS) Chelsea King (17), a teenage long distance runner from Poway California went missing since Thursday evening. Chelsea King went out for her routine run in the evening and never returned. After her parents lodged a complaint, a search party was assigned for the missing girl. The authorities however suspects an abduction case. They are in process of scanning and searching her phone records and her computer for any sort of clues that might help them in their investigation.

Chelsea King is a seventeen year old cross country runner at Poway High and she went running in the Rancho Bernardo Park. However, the cops have successfully found the missing teen’s car, her cell phone and her school clothes. The officials also employed the cell towers technology in determining her cell phone location which indicated it was somewhere in the West Bernardo Drive Community Park, close to the Aguamiel Road. The cell phone was located from inside the parked vehicle but there wasn’t any sign of Chelsea King. When the search throughout the day went in vain, the officials and the deputies set up a command center right at the spot in the park.

The San Diego County Sheriff informs that the night search operation had already started and the rescuers shall have complete assistance of the sheriff office helicopters for any air-search while the terrain vehicles are also keeping a track in the search operation. Chelsea King is reported to be in her jeans. Any whereabouts about the girl coming from any individual is requested to get in immediate contact with the San Diego Police.

More at : Teenage Runner Chelsea King Missing, Abduction Suspected http://www.thaindian.com/newsportal/world/teenage-runner-chelsea-king-missing-abduction-suspected_100327363.html#ixzz0glCbEgJM
 (This may be new info, or I missed it that Chelsea is reported to be in her jeans.)


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Tracygirl on February 27, 2010, 01:26:52 PM
I am so happy to know that LE is going at this full force and not pondering the idea that maybe she just ran away and dragging their feet. I think they lost valuable time in locating Amber because of that.

So if a mountain lion was to take a person, would they drag them off and then try to attack them or would they just pounce right there? I would suspect there would be blood somewhere?
I can't find anything new on the shoe they found, has anyone heard anything?


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: no rose colored glasses on February 27, 2010, 01:32:01 PM
I am so happy to know that LE is going at this full force and not pondering the idea that maybe she just ran away and dragging their feet. I think they lost valuable time in locating Amber because of that.

So if a mountain lion was to take a person, would they drag them off and then try to attack them or would they just pounce right there? I would suspect there would be blood somewhere?
I can't find anything new on the shoe they found, has anyone heard anything?
They have been known to drag a person off, and they can pounce right there as well. I just mentioned that because it does happen, but don't think with Chelsea this is what happened. I had read on another forum that the shoe and pedometer was not Chelsea's but at this point don't know if that is rumor or true. I'm confused about her being in jeans, it would seem rather difficult to run in jeans.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Tracygirl on February 27, 2010, 01:41:32 PM
Maybe the jeans were jean shorts and not long pants? They don't sound like the most comfortable things to run in either though....I can't imagine someone running in long jeans, especially when they have gone to the trouble of changing out of school cloths, idk. On one of the news sites I read at last night it said they didn't know what she was wearing but thought it was running cloths. hmmmm don't know.



Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: klaasend on February 27, 2010, 01:44:17 PM
I am so happy to know that LE is going at this full force and not pondering the idea that maybe she just ran away and dragging their feet. I think they lost valuable time in locating Amber because of that.

So if a mountain lion was to take a person, would they drag them off and then try to attack them or would they just pounce right there? I would suspect there would be blood somewhere?
I can't find anything new on the shoe they found, has anyone heard anything?

http://www.techbanyan.com/9721/chelsea-king-17-year-old-poway-high-school-student/

Chelsea King, 17-Year-Old Poway High School Student, Missing Near San Diego

By: Saul Relative | 27 February 2010 `

Sometime Thursday afternoon, Brent and Kelly King realized that their daughter, Chelsea, was more than just late from her run in nearby Rancho Bernardo Community Park. Since her father reported her missing, some 200 rescue workers, law enforcement officials, and volunteers have searched a five-mile area in and around the park for two days, hoping to find more than just her locked car, which was found in a parking area of the park. As the search nears 72 hours, investigators have yet to find anything that would cause them to think the Poway High School cross country runner was abducted.

But Chelsea King doesn’t fit the profile of a runaway. Likeable, energetic, a straight-A student, and no history of trouble, San Diego County officials are treating her disappearance as a missing persons case. The FBI has joined the hunt. Dogs, divers, and helicopters have been employed in the searches that have fanned out within the park and along possible routes the teen may have taken on her run (which reportedly would usually encompass five or more miles). Posters of Chelsea King are plastered all over Poway and nearby towns and classmates took a day off from school Friday to pass out fliers on the streets of Poway and nearby Escondido to help in finding the missing teen.

“We have probably 150 to 250 deputies, officers, agents and volunteers all night long and they will continue to stay here as long as needed,” Jan Caldwell, a San Diego County Sheriff’s Department spokesperson, told reporters.

Sign On San Diego reported that radio chatter indicated that a running shoe and a pedometer had been found during the searches, but officials made no comment as to whether or not either item was germane to Chelsea King’s case.

The 17-year-old long-distance runner is described as 5′ 5″, blond-haired, blue-eyed, weighing approximately 115 pounds. Anyone with information regarding Chelsea King’s disappearance or having information that would lead to establishing her whereabouts are urged to call the San Diego County Sheriff’s Department at (858) 565-5200 or San Diego County Crime Stoppers at (619) 531-2000.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Tracygirl on February 27, 2010, 01:47:26 PM
I wish I could post pics because I think it would be interesting in seeing a side x side of the moms and then the 2 girls. Could it be just a coincidence? I hope Escondido LE is in communication with Poway and vise versa


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Tracygirl on February 27, 2010, 01:52:27 PM
Thank you Klaas for posting that article about the shoe.

I wonder what was her last hair color? Some reports are saying blond, some say strawberry blond, in some pics she has blond hair and in others it is red. This is reminding me of the Sandra Cantu, we plastered posters of a dark brown hair little girl and then we saw pics of Sandra with almost blond hair.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: no rose colored glasses on February 27, 2010, 02:01:56 PM
Thank you Klaas for posting that article about the shoe.

I wonder what was her last hair color? Some reports are saying blond, some say strawberry blond, in some pics she has blond hair and in others it is red. This is reminding me of the Sandra Cantu, we plastered posters of a dark brown hair little girl and then we saw pics of Sandra with almost blond hair.
On her missing poster the hair color says strawberry blond, so I don't know you are right some pics she has blond and red hair.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: klaasend on February 27, 2010, 02:19:49 PM
Thank you Klaas for posting that article about the shoe.

I wonder what was her last hair color? Some reports are saying blond, some say strawberry blond, in some pics she has blond hair and in others it is red. This is reminding me of the Sandra Cantu, we plastered posters of a dark brown hair little girl and then we saw pics of Sandra with almost blond hair.
On her missing poster the hair color says strawberry blond, so I don't know you are right some pics she has blond and red hair.

I believe they said died red?

(http://www.sandiego6.com/media/lib/38/c/9/a/c9a3cec6-d445-4174-ab98-893a4000b06a/Original.jpg)


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: klaasend on February 27, 2010, 02:23:23 PM
I wish I could post pics because I think it would be interesting in seeing a side x side of the moms and then the 2 girls. Could it be just a coincidence? I hope Escondido LE is in communication with Poway and vise versa

I don't think they look like eachother..

Chelsea

(http://www.sandiego6.com/media/lib/38/c/9/a/c9a3cec6-d445-4174-ab98-893a4000b06a/Original.jpg)

Amber


(http://www.foxnews.com/images/508701/2_62_021909_amber.jpg)



Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: klaasend on February 27, 2010, 02:24:19 PM
Other than looking like sweet young girls with the rest of their lives ahead of them


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: cartfly on February 27, 2010, 02:25:19 PM
It is so sad that women continue to do things like jog alone.
It is so sad that Americans living today can not see that we are under attack by illegal aliens who prey on out children and adults.

It is a sad time in history where Americans have lost there ability to think and stand up as well as fight back.

It is sad.


I do agree with Sweet Justice's comment down thread about blanket blame on any one group, but a side note that just occurred to me, when I was coming home this afternoon, my exit is 3 down from where Chelsea was and there was a unusually large group of guys, 25-30 hanging out on the sidewalk and underpass. There is usually only a few visible, the rest are up in the canyon so guess word spread that it was safer in the open than in their makeshift camp spots.
We don't know what happened to her or who may be involved but I do resent the fact that there are many, many men that live in these canyons year round and it's creepy to use the paved and unpaved trails because just a few feet from where you are walking or riding there is often men lounging/sleeping. We won't even allow the 13 yr olds to ride or skate in pairs near there.     


Hi Mizjay- Your statements of the men living in the canyon really scares the **** out of me. Why is this allowed? (camps of immigrants in the canyon)

I am going to assume that most of these people in these makeshift camps are here illegally. This is what bothers me about our open door policy: If there is a crime scene and dna evidence it is likely that the perp is never found if he is "illegally" here in our country and if the perp is found we can't seek the death penalty. I wont get into all my feelings about these illegal aliens feeding off of our resources but if we do not get control of our borders I am afraid we are going to see more and more of this element violating our residents and resources. JMHO of course. :)

I don't have a good feeling about the fate of this beautiful young girl but pray that she turns up safely.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Tracygirl on February 27, 2010, 03:13:52 PM
Other than looking like sweet young girls with the rest of their lives ahead of them

Yes they do have their whole life, both are so young and haven't had a chance to really do anything yet...so sad and I pray they both are found safe and sound.

I don't think they are exactly alike but they are similar types. Both have reddish hair, light skin, blue eyes. Could be a preference? 


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: cartfly on February 27, 2010, 03:29:17 PM
http://www.nctimes.com/news/local/rancho-bernardo/article_74fbafd9-6cd5-5412-b176-8100e8a0a31a.html  (http://www.nctimes.com/news/local/rancho-bernardo/article_74fbafd9-6cd5-5412-b176-8100e8a0a31a.html)

RANCHO BERNARDO: Public help requested in noon search for Chelsea King

New volunteer effort being organized for missing Poway teen

 
North County Times staff | Posted: February 27, 2010 11:00 am

RANCHO BERNARDO ---- There was still no sign of missing Poway High School student Chelsea King Saturday as volunteers were planning a massive canvas of areas around Rancho Community Park, where the 17-year-old girl was last seen Thursday evening.

About 80 searchers working under the direction of the San Diego County Sheriff's Department were scouring the park's hiking trails south of Lake Hodges, where the search has been concentrated since Chelsea was reported missing after going for a run.

As the search that has been classified as a missing person's case begins to look more like a possible abduction, a volunteer group based in Texas, the Laura Recovery Center, was setting up a Chelsea King Search Center at the request of the girl's parents, Brent and Kelly King.

The family is asking that volunteers at least age 18 and with valid identification meet at 11858 Bernardo Plaza Drive starting at noon.

"We want to commence the search at 1 p.m.," said Fiona Oberrick, a San Diego resident who works with the Laura Recovery Center. "We are doing mapping and working with law enforcement to search areas they have given us permission to search."

The Laura Recovery Center describes itself as a group that works to "prevent abductions and runaways and to recover missing children by fostering a triangle of trust among law enforcement, community and missing child's family."

Oberrick said she expects as many as 500 or more people to take part in today's search effort.

"The mood is very upbeat and we feel confident we will have some good results," Oberrick said.

Sheriff's Lt. Harold Turner said a news conference to update the public about law enforcement's efforts to find the missing long-distance runner will likely take place this afternoon.

The Deputy Sheriff's Association of San Diego County announced Saturday it is offering a $5,000 reward for information leading to Chelsea's whereabouts.

The 2,100-member group is headquartered near Poway High School and Chelsea's disappearance has touched its members, said spokeswoman Paola Avila.

Association President Ernie Carrillo said the girl's disappearance "really hits home for us."

"Not only because our deputies are out there right now searching for her, but because she is a member of our community," he said in a prepared statement.

The hiking trails where Chelsea disappeared have been closed to the public since the search effort began.

Chelsea, a straight-A student at Poway High School who played the French horn in the San Diego Youth Symphony, liked to run in the area after school, according to friends and family.

 She routinely ran four to six miles along the web of trails on the southern shores of Lake Hodges.

People were distributing fliers with Chelsea's picture in the region Friday, including in Escondido, where the one-year anniversary of another missing teen, Amber Dubois, was observed on Feb. 13. Amber was last seen as she walked to Escondido High School.

At Poway High School on Friday, Lucas Newby, 16, said he barely knew his classmate but felt compelled to help by distributing fliers all morning. The teen said it was the third in a string of traumatic events for the school in the past year.

In December, 17-year-old Veronica Aguirre, a senior at the school, was killed when she lost control of a vehicle she was driving on Mountain Meadow Road in rural Escondido.

Another student, Clayton Blackburn, who would have been a sophomore this year, died in his sleep last summer.

"It's been rough," Newby said. "We've had a rough year."

Seventeen-year-old Sean Golightly said he had taken several classes with Chelsea and described her as a happy student.

Chelsea parked her car, a black BMW, in the community center parking lot on West Bernardo Drive after school Thursday in preparation for a run, sheriff's spokeswoman Jan Caldwell said. She did not return to her locked car, Caldwell said.

Chelsea is white, 5 feet 5 inches tall and 115 pounds, with blonde hair and blue eyes.

Poway High School Principal Scott Fisher addressed students Friday morning via the intercom system to inform students Chelsea was missing, said Sharon Raffer, a spokeswoman for the district. She added that counselors were available for students if needed.

Chelsea is scheduled to graduate from Poway High School this spring.

Anyone with information on her whereabouts is urged to call the Sheriff's Department at 858-565-5200.

Those interested in volunteering with the group can all 858-485-8502.

Posted in Rancho-bernardo on Saturday, February 27, 2010 11:00 am Updated: 12:15 pm.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: cartfly on February 27, 2010, 03:33:33 PM
Online scanner with search party, scroll down to North San Diego County Sheriff and Escondido Police Live Scanner. Alot of chatter from search groups.


http://www.radioreference.com/apps/audio/?ctid=219  (http://www.radioreference.com/apps/audio/?ctid=219)


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Edward on February 27, 2010, 04:37:35 PM
Thanks cartfly

The situation is not looking good.



Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Edward on February 27, 2010, 04:40:19 PM
we recorded a few incidents last year in Poway in Amber's Dubois thread.



Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: piwannaberookie on February 27, 2010, 05:11:48 PM
law enforcement might already be looking at the vehicle (BMW) for fingerprints, if somebody did take her he would have not let her keep her cell phone, he could have been hiding close by to her car, maybe even parked the car there at the community park parking lot to make it look like she had made it to the park to go for a run.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: piwannaberookie on February 27, 2010, 05:30:49 PM
everyone should be allowed to jog/run alone, you can't let those perv's get in your way, i don't even let rain get in my way, I carry a cell phone every day I jog/run, I can't jog/run without having a cell phone in my hand and car keys in the other, this girl could not have forgotten to carry her cell phone, she wouldn't have gone for a run without one, has the family ever said she has, no i bet not. This girl is not naive, she had planned to do something that day and somebody or something got in her way, if it was an animal, it would have been a rattlesnake...if she was able to go for a run the perv probably drove his car on trail she was running, law enforcement would have been able to see tire marks...I don't think she made it to the park though. Somebody said she may have used the portable potty, but there are other places she could have gone to go pee, she could have gone to the gas station, or a store nearby, or her school. There is a lot more going on there is to even begin with, just hope they find out more then what they have about amber du bois.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: no rose colored glasses on February 27, 2010, 05:51:52 PM
 Missing Poway Teen's Parents Cling to Hope


With hundreds of volunteers crowded around, Chelsea King’s rain soaked and emotional father held up a post-it note taken from his daughter’s bathroom.

“They can because they think they can,” the quotation read.

“We think we can bring her home,” Brent King told the crowd, clinging to hope that his missing daughter will be found safe.

So many volunteers turned up to help on Saturday that more than 700 were turned away. Chelsea’s mother was overwhelmed with the support.



A $5,000 reward is being offered for information leading to the Chelsea ‘s whereabouts.

In stormy conditions, investigators focused the search Saturday on Lake Hodges after land searches using infrared technology failed to locate Chelsea.

The FBI is now involved in the case, looking into the possibility that Chelsea may have been abducted. Investigators have taken Chelsea’s computer and cell phone into custody, according to Sheriff Bill Gore.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: piwannaberookie on February 27, 2010, 06:30:40 PM
Missing Poway Teen's Parents Cling to Hope


With hundreds of volunteers crowded around, Chelsea King’s rain soaked and emotional father held up a post-it note taken from his daughter’s bathroom.

“They can because they think they can,” the quotation read.

“We think we can bring her home,” Brent King told the crowd, clinging to hope that his missing daughter will be found safe.

So many volunteers turned up to help on Saturday that more than 700 were turned away. Chelsea’s mother was overwhelmed with the support.



A $5,000 reward is being offered for information leading to the Chelsea ‘s whereabouts.

In stormy conditions, investigators focused the search Saturday on Lake Hodges after land searches using infrared technology failed to locate Chelsea.

The FBI is now involved in the case, looking into the possibility that Chelsea may have been abducted. Investigators have taken Chelsea’s computer and cell phone into custody, according to Sheriff Bill Gore.


More than 700 people is a lot, and 2:00 p.m. being the last time chelsea was seen, what happened between 2:00 p.m. and 6:45 p.m? time to make a list of the "regulars" at the park, they should re open the park tomorrow I hope, maybe people who go there for walks/runs will start talking and maybe they can come up with somebody suspicious was there frequently and will be able to help, it's not easy reporting something like that by yourself. If this was an abduction, he/she probably frequents other parks close by. I would hate if somebody's dog , being a vicious one, got loose and attacked her because I hate running and when there is a big dog around, it can be scary. I just saw a dead pitbull on my run and I thought it was alive at first, it was big and brown, already big dogs chase and bark at me when I run, the pit bull I saw looked like it was asleep or was pretending to be, sometimes you just need to be careful when you walk your dog especially if the dog you have is aggressive around people and other dogs.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Tracygirl on February 27, 2010, 06:39:12 PM
I wonder of there are camera's anywhere in the lot?


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: no rose colored glasses on February 27, 2010, 06:44:39 PM
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Casa de las Campanas, a retirement facility (senior living), is directly across the street from the parking lot. I can't remember when we visited there before placing my grandpa elsewhere if they had security cameras on the entrance. I could swear they did. Whether or not those cameras would actually capture across the street as well is questionable but it would be worth looking into.

The fire department works out in the park almost every afternoon. They play basketball, etc. Groups of people walk the trails daily on their lunch hours as well. It's just gutsy, imo, to grab a teen from a park that has frequent visitors some of them law enforcement and fire department. I just feel like this was someone who knew the area and the times that the trails were least used.
It apparently was a Casa security guard who has stated definitively that he did see her at the park at some point, so I'd imagine that anyone who may have had cause to have been outside has been questioned, and, like you said, hopefully looking at cameras.

I agree, the park definitely is a happening place at certain times. Between 10-11:15ish and 1:30-3ish were always my favorite times to go if I was actually going to be "in" the park area and running the trails that are in the park because those were always the least crowded times, and away from the times with bigger lunch crowds and before the afternoon sporting activities in the park.

There were definitely some days when I felt like I was being "watched" more than I was comfortable with by some of the workers sitting there in their trucks during lunch time - which was why I started going more at "off" times if I was staying in the closer park vicinity.

There were often park/city maintenance people there, aside from the very frequent FD folks in the park, and at the east edge of the park that is beyond the parking lot by the shuffleboard, Joselyn Center, and nearer the dog park portion and along the more canyon-ish area there were often officials who were trimming brush, working on water lines, cleaning things up in the dog park area, or getting things from sheds to groom the fields and ball park areas. So it was rare to ever be in the closer to the heart of the park areas without running across a few people, even at "off" times.

My own experience, going off of the trails toward the lake and the ones that head into the hills by the neighborhoods where Chelsea was believed to have run, though was that I'd always keep my cell with me because it was much more desolate back there on those trails (obviously part of the appeal, though).

I think the biggest wildcard now, that's really a new thing, is that with the new bridge that opened last summer, Chelsea could easily have gone to run from the park area on the north side trails. A year ago it'd be less likely someone would have gone from the RB Community Park to the Escondido side of the lake, but now that great new bridge finds a lot of people crossing back and forth between the two sides. That opens up far more territory that needs closer scrutiny than there'd have been earlier.

Also, for those interested, I'm hearing the helicopter up again for the first time in several hours. It's also raining steadily now.    (From locals at WS)


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: piwannaberookie on February 27, 2010, 06:50:41 PM
I wonder of there are camera's anywhere in the lot?

I don't think they have camera's in community parks or the Rancho Bernardo park, they have park rangers, and the thing is most parks only have one park ranger who go around the park to keep an eye on things and people, and police rarely check on the parks but do because of sex offenders, truant teens, drug dealers, etc. They should put camera's, but people will probably steal or destroy them because that's just how some people are.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: no rose colored glasses on February 27, 2010, 07:16:53 PM
There will be a special prayer meeting for Chelsea King tonight at Ranch Bernardo Community Presbyterian Church 17010 pomerado rd, san diego 92128
7:00 pm


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: piwannaberookie on February 27, 2010, 07:19:47 PM
Online scanner with search party, scroll down to North San Diego County Sheriff and Escondido Police Live Scanner. Alot of chatter from search groups.


http://www.radioreference.com/apps/audio/?ctid=219  (http://www.radioreference.com/apps/audio/?ctid=219)

Thanks for putting this link up. I didn't know I could listen to the police on duty in my area. Now I can get an idea of what their work is like and listen to what is going on, finally. I am going to tell my mom too. Thank you.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Nut44x4 on February 27, 2010, 07:41:44 PM
No trace of missing Poway teen found in Rancho Bernardo

The intensive search for a Poway teenager, missing after an after-school run near Lake Hodges, has turned from land to water, with dive teams in that lake and its tributaries, the San Diego County sheriff said Saturday.

No trace has been found of Chelsea King, 17, after she parked her BMW sedan outside the Rancho Bernardo Community Center Thursday afternoon for one of her regular several-mile runs along an extensive trail system around the lake.

Chelsea was several hours overdue in returning home when her parents called the Sheriff’s Department, which serves Poway, to report her missing. Deputies looked for her through the night, then called in reinforcements. Law officers from Riverside, San Bernardino and Orange counties joined the search, some with tracking dogs, along with the San Diego Fire-Rescue Department, the FBI, and San Diego police.

The community center park where King’s car was found, and the land immediately around Lake Hodges, lie within San Diego city limits. Sheriff’s dive teams have been searching the lake today, joining hundreds of other law officers and volunteers combing steams and rivers feeding into the basin, said Sheriff Bill Gore at an afternoon media briefing.

“It’s been a truly great effort by everybody, all with the same goal of trying to return Chelsea to her family,” Gore said. “It’s obviously the unknown that’s so stressful and so traumatic, in something like this.”

Chelsea’s parents, Brent and Kelly King, met with volunteers at the Chelsea King Search Center office at 11858 Bernardo Plaza, where so many people turned out despite chilling rain showers that some were waived off.

“It’s a reflection of who she is and what kind of person she is,” Brent Kelly said as he and his wife stood in front of a band of volunteers. “She’s that kind of kid that everybody loves and it shows.”

Kelly King added that her heart, “is overflowing with all the support and all this love, and there’s no words for it.”

Brent King said Chelsea posted small notes with favorite inspirational sayings in her bathroom, including one from classical Roman poet Virgil, “They can because they think they can.”

“We think we can bring her back; we’ll find her,” Brent King said. Gore said investigators are working with San Diego police to determine whether there is any connection between Chelsea’s disappearance and an assault on a woman at the Rancho Bernardo park on Dec. 27.

He did not offer more details on that case. Law enforcement helicopters have searched the park and lake area with infrared devices, but found no heat source that led them to Chelsea, Gore said. Investigators have seized Chelsea’s cell phone, found in her car, and her home computer.

Chelsea, due to graduate from Poway High School this spring, is white, 5 feet 5 inches tall and 115 pounds, with blond hair and blue eyes. She is a member of the San Diego Youth Symphony and a straight-A student, and has served as a peer counselor at the school.

Depuites asked anyone with information on the girl’s whereabouts to call the sheriff’s department at (858) 565-5200.

http://www.sdnn.com/sandiego/2010-02-27/local-county-news/no-trace-missing-poway-teen-rancho-bernardo

Just want to add my opinion.......there is no connection here to Amber's case. There are freaks everywhere. Around every corner...at every turn...in your own neighborhoods and even in your backyards.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: AmandaReckonwith on February 27, 2010, 08:12:12 PM
Case album for Chelsea:

http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Chelsea%20King/


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: darla on February 27, 2010, 08:13:37 PM
Good Evening Monkeys and Guest!

I am listening to the scanner  and they are sending out evidence investigators to a location that has had someone standing by waiting. Not sure if it is about Chelsea.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: no rose colored glasses on February 27, 2010, 08:18:36 PM
Good Evening Monkeys and Guest!

I am listening to the scanner  and they are sending out evidence investigators to a location that has had someone standing by waiting. Not sure if it is about Chelsea.
Thank-you, and Amanda thank-you for the photobucket pics, I always appreciate your pics in different cases  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: MuffyBee on February 27, 2010, 08:21:06 PM
Case album for Chelsea:

http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Chelsea%20King/

Thank you. 


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: darla on February 27, 2010, 08:30:16 PM
About 25 minutes ago a deputy said  he was escorting divers down to a  creek.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: no rose colored glasses on February 27, 2010, 08:47:08 PM
About 25 minutes ago a deputy said  he was escorting divers down to a  creek.
Oh no, I wonder if it was possible to have fallen in the water there. Some of the pics I have seen of the trails at the park looked kind of scary to be jogging on. You could easily sprain an ankle and fall.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: mizjay on February 27, 2010, 09:29:07 PM
About 25 minutes ago a deputy said  he was escorting divers down to a  creek.
Oh no, I wonder if it was possible to have fallen in the water there. Some of the pics I have seen of the trails at the park looked kind of scary to be jogging on. You could easily sprain an ankle and fall.
It's really raining right now, any more word on the divers? I'm listening too but just turned it on. I didn't know that you could listen in.   


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: no rose colored glasses on February 27, 2010, 09:30:43 PM
About 25 minutes ago a deputy said  he was escorting divers down to a  creek.
Oh no, I wonder if it was possible to have fallen in the water there. Some of the pics I have seen of the trails at the park looked kind of scary to be jogging on. You could easily sprain an ankle and fall.
It's really raining right now, any more word on the divers? I'm listening too but just turned it on. I didn't know that you could listen in.   
I haven't listened to the radio, but it sure is raining hard right now, off and on bad all day.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: mizjay on February 27, 2010, 09:37:03 PM
About 25 minutes ago a deputy said  he was escorting divers down to a  creek.
Oh no, I wonder if it was possible to have fallen in the water there. Some of the pics I have seen of the trails at the park looked kind of scary to be jogging on. You could easily sprain an ankle and fall.
It's really raining right now, any more word on the divers? I'm listening too but just turned it on. I didn't know that you could listen in.   
I haven't listened to the radio, but it sure is raining hard right now, off and on bad all day.
Her parents must be so terrified, it's bad enough but to have it raining making the searches extra hard.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: no rose colored glasses on February 27, 2010, 09:41:07 PM
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Side note, it's POURING again.

KTGV (10) news at 6 pm:

As KFMB said, they're focusing all over the park and lake area. They've got resources from all over the state and they are ramping up efforts.

They started off searching a 2-3 square mile area. What they have NOT found (signs of her) have caused them to focus more and more on the lake and streams that feed it.

According to the Sheriff, they have ruled out everything other than the lake if she is still in the area.

Any suspicious people seen other times in the park are being tracked down and looked into.

They have worked and not let the rain hamper things.

They (the Sheriff Bill Gore's office) will not comment on the possibility she was abducted or if any items belonging to her were found. They are still trying to be optimistic she will be found.   (From a local at WS)


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Edward on February 27, 2010, 09:41:14 PM
I am not willing to say that this has nothing to do with the disappearance of Amber Dubois at this time.

There are similarities and patterns showing up that I should not talk about yet. From what I can tell the water search has not found much if anything so far.

I am not there so I do not know anything for sure.





Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: mizjay on February 27, 2010, 09:48:29 PM
I am not willing to say that this has nothing to do with the disappearance of Amber Dubois at this time.

There are similarities and patterns showing up that I should not talk about yet. From what I can tell the water search has not found much if anything so far.

I am not there so I do not know anything for sure.




Well I am nobody who is newish to following these things but to me any time a two teenagers are missing in the same area, same time of year, daytime...it certainly seems like there are similarities enough to consider it but.......?


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: mizjay on February 27, 2010, 09:50:12 PM
I am not willing to say that this has nothing to do with the disappearance of Amber Dubois at this time.

There are similarities and patterns showing up that I should not talk about yet. From what I can tell the water search has not found much if anything so far.

I am not there so I do not know anything for sure.




Well I am nobody who is newish to following these things but to me any time a two teenagers are missing in the same area, same time of year, daytime...it certainly seems like there are similarities enough to consider it but.......?
edit   I am a nobody, in other words I know nothing


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Edward on February 27, 2010, 09:52:45 PM
Lets take a look at poway a year ago untill now looking for related crimes... here are 2 reports in and around feruary of 2009

As the parent of a Poway Unified School District student, I just received a VERY disturbing recorded message on my phone. The Poway Sheriffs wanted to caution PUSD parents and make us aware of an incident that took place yesterday, January 29th.

A 12-year-old girl was walking by herself in Poway (phone got staticky when they mentioned the rough location, other than Poway) in the 5:30-5:45 p.m. time span, when a box-type, white SUV stopped. 3 Hispanic males in aged 20-30 forced the girl into the vehicle. They then drove her around for 20 minutes before releasing her, unharmed.

If you have any information about this incident, please contact C. Johnson, at the Poway Sheriff's Department.

I just wanted to pass along this scary bit of news. Be sure to take precautions so that your kids are not walking alone!








 2/4/2009

Another one yesterday unfortunately. This school is in the poway district and over by Westview close to santa luz i believe:

an unsuccessful child abduction attempt of an 11 year old girl occurred yesterday at 4:13 PM on Via Fiesta, near Willow Grove Elementary School. The girl reported that she was approached by an alleged armed man driving an older, light blue sports car with a black top, orange rust, tinted windows and a small back window with black around the edge. He was reported to be Hispanic, about 30 years old, heavy build, wearing a short sleeved t-shirt. The girl yelled and ran, and he returned to his vehicle. Neither the man or the vehicle has been spotted by police.

After the incident was reported both the Willow Grove ESS and Preschool followed lockdown and increased security procedures.




Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Edward on February 27, 2010, 09:55:29 PM

According to our research of the California and other state lists there were 25 registered sex offenders living in zip code 92064 (Poway, CA) in May 2009.

Williams, Allan David

Address: 13449 Montego Dr
City: Poway
Crime: 288(A) - Lewd Or Lascivious Acts With Child Under 14 Years
Sex: Male
Date of birth: 11-29-1946
Eye color: Blue
Hair color: Gray
Height: 5'8
Weight: 210
Race: White
Based on this official offender page


Starkey, Andrew John
Address: 13406 Powers Rd
City: Poway
Crime: 288(A) - Lewd Or Lascivious Acts With Child Under 14 Years
Sex: Male
Date of birth: 12-01-1961
Eye color: Green
Hair color: Brown
Height: 5'9
Weight: 172
Race: White
Based on this official offender page


Martinez, Anthony Gabriel
Address: 13343 Alpine Drive
City: Poway
Crime: 288(A) - Lewd Or Lascivious Acts With Child Under 14 Years
Sex: Male
Date of birth: 06-10-1984
Eye color: Brown
Hair color: Black
Height: 5'4
Weight: 125
Race: Hispanic
Based on this official offender page


Towse, Arthur Dwaine
Crime: 290(A)(2)(D) - Out Of State Registration Required
Sex: Male
Date of birth: 07-08-1941
Eye color: Blue
Hair color: Brown
Height: 4'10
Weight: 138
Race: White
Based on this official offender page


Green, Christopher
Address: 14417 Range Park Road
City: Poway
Crime: 288(A) - Lewd Or Lascivious Acts With Child Under 14 Years; 311.11(A) - Possess/Etc Obscene Matter Of Minor In Sexual Act
Sex: Male
Date of birth: 05-23-1973
Eye color: Hazel
Hair color: Blonde
Height: 5'7
Weight: 150
Race: White
Based on this official offender page


Kite, Gary Wayne
Address: 13844 Pomerado Rd
City: Poway
Crime: 288(A) - Lewd Or Lascivious Acts With Child Under 14 Years
Sex: Male
Date of birth: 12-21-1946
Eye color: Hazel
Hair color: Brown
Height: 6'2
Weight: 240
Race: White
Based on this official offender page


Dugger, Gerald
Address: 13356 Carriage Rd
City: Poway
Crime: F288(C)(1) - Lewd Or Lascivious Acts With Child 14 Or 15 Years Old
Sex: Male
Date of birth: 07-23-1959
Eye color: Brown
Hair color: Brown
Height: 5'11
Weight: 210
Race: Hispanic
Based on this official offender page


Owens, James R
Address: 14537 High Pine St
City: Poway
Crime: 288(A) - Lewd Or Lascivious Acts With Child Under 14 Years
Sex: Male
Date of birth: 11-20-1944
Eye color: Brown
Hair color: Brown
Height: 5'10
Weight: 275
Race: White
Based on this official offender page


Morgan, Jason Sean
Address: 16450 Bridlewood Road
City: Poway
Crime: 288a(B)(2) - Oral Copulation With Person Under 16 Years; 289(I) - Sex Penetration With Foreign Object:victim Under 16 Years; f288(C)(1) - Lewd Or Lascivious Acts With Child 14 Or 15 Years Old
Sex: Male
Date of birth: 03-27-1969
Eye color: Green
Hair color: Brown
Height: 5'10
Weight: 185
Race: White
Based on this official offender page


Bias, John Davis
Address: 12466 Vaughan Rd
City: Poway
Crime: 288(A) - Lewd Or Lascivious Acts With Child Under 14 Years
Sex: Male
Date of birth: 06-01-1954
Eye color: Brown
Hair color: Brown
Height: 5'8
Weight: 235
Race: White
Based on this official offender page


Myers, John Edward
Address: 13749 Tobiasson Rd
City: Poway
Crime: 288(A) - Lewd Or Lascivious Acts With Child Under 14 Years
Sex: Male
Date of birth: 12-01-1952
Eye color: Brown
Hair color: Brown
Height: 6'0
Weight: 230
Race: White
Based on this official offender page


Rodriquez, Jose
Address: 12540 Oak Knoll Road # B8
City: Poway
Crime: 261(A)(2) - Rape By Force/Fear/Etc
Sex: Male
Date of birth: 08-27-1961
Eye color: Brown
Hair color: Brown
Height: 5'7
Weight: 150
Race: Hispanic
Based on this official offender page


Walker, Josiah Eli
Address: 12526 Holland Pl
City: Poway
Crime: 288(A) - Attempted Lewd Or Lascivious Acts With Child Under 14 Years
Sex: Male
Date of birth: 09-05-1979
Eye color: Hazel
Hair color: Brown
Height: 6'1
Weight: 200
Race: White
Based on this official offender page


Estacio, Julian Yabut
Crime: F266 - Entice Minor Female For Prostitution
Sex: Male
Date of birth: 11-17-1953
Eye color: Brown
Hair color: Black
Height: 5'5
Weight: 150
Race: Other Asian
Based on this official offender page


Royce, Michael Lynn
Crime: 290(A)(2)(D) - Out Of State Registration Required
Sex: Male
Date of birth: 05-03-1963
Eye color: Brown
Hair color: Brown
Height: 5'10
Weight: 230
Race: White
Based on this official offender page


Stanton, Michael Patrick
Address: 12941 Sunderland St
City: Poway
Crime: 261.2 - Prior Code-Rape By Force
Sex: Male
Date of birth: 01-01-1969
Eye color: Brown
Hair color: Brown
Height: 6'0
Weight: 225
Race: White
Based on this official offender page


Hall, Nicholas Adam
Crime: 289(I) - Sex Penetration With Foreign Object:victim Under 16 Years
Sex: Male
Date of birth: 05-02-1985
Eye color: Green
Hair color: Blonde
Height: 6'0
Weight: 222
Race: White
Based on this official offender page


Sungahid, Reynaldo P
Address: 12745 Robison Blvd # 12
City: Poway
Crime: 288(B) - Lewd Or Lascivious Acts With Child Under 14 Years W/Force
Sex: Male
Date of birth: 06-10-1951
Eye color: Brown
Hair color: Black
Height: 5'6
Weight: 155
Race: Filipino
Based on this official offender page


Stone, Robert Ellis
Address: 12455 Oak Knoll Road # 1h
City: Poway
Crime: 288(A) - Lewd Or Lascivious Acts With Child Under 14 Years
Sex: Male
Date of birth: 06-12-1961
Eye color: Blue
Hair color: Gray
Height: 6'0
Weight: 185
Race: White
Based on this official offender page


Harold, Robert Graham
Address: 12072 Old Pomerado # Road
City: Poway
Crime: 288(A) - Lewd Or Lascivious Acts With Child Under 14 Years
Sex: Male
Date of birth: 01-24-1956
Eye color: Blue
Hair color: Red
Height: 5'0
Weight: 210
Race: White
Based on this official offender page


Aquino, Robert Gutierrez
Address: 13608 Pomerado Road # 36
City: Poway
Crime: 288(A) - Lewd Or Lascivious Acts With Child Under 14 Years
Sex: Male
Date of birth: 09-14-1962
Eye color: Brown
Hair color: Black
Height: 5'5
Weight: 175
Race: Filipino
Based on this official offender page


Duquette, Roger Joseph
Address: 14503 Kennebunk Street
City: Poway
Crime: 288(A) - Attempted Lewd Or Lascivious Acts With Child Under 14 Years
Sex: Male
Date of birth: 06-26-1956
Eye color: Brown
Hair color: Brown
Height: 5'9
Weight: 210
Race: White
Based on this official offender page


Fabianowicz, Timothy A
Crime: 220/261 - Assault W/Intent To Commit Rape
Sex: Male
Date of birth: 01-28-1970
Eye color: Hazel
Hair color: Brown
Height: 5'11
Weight: 200
Race: White
Based on this official offender page


Gusky, Todd Hamilton
Address: 14645 Dash Way
City: Poway
Crime: 288(A) - Lewd Or Lascivious Acts With Child Under 14 Years
Sex: Male
Date of birth: 08-25-1964
Eye color: Blue
Hair color: Brown
Height: 5'8
Weight: 165
Race: White
Based on this official offender page


Harmon, Vicki Kay
Crime: 288(C) - Lewd Or Lascivious Acts With Child 14 Or 15 Years Old
Sex: Female
Date of birth: 01-05-1956
Eye color: Brown
Hair color: Red
Height: 5'5
Weight: 250
Race: White
Based on this official offender page

 

 

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Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: no rose colored glasses on February 27, 2010, 09:57:38 PM
Very perplexing about this time of year and abductions in that area, I'm not understanding why this time of year more than other times of the year.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: mizjay on February 27, 2010, 10:03:26 PM
Very perplexing about this time of year and abductions in that area, I'm not understanding why this time of year more than other times of the year.
Yeah, right, very strange. It's kind of off season for a lot of trades, construction gets stopped sometimes for rain, would imagine it's slow for yard guys, agriculture ??? just some guesses.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: cartfly on February 27, 2010, 10:15:11 PM

Possible Link to Chelsea King and Another Jogger Investigated

   Reported by: San Diego 6 News Team
Email: newstips@sandiego6.com
Last Update: 6:33 pm


SAN DIEGO  - The search for a Poway teenager who is missing  near Lake Hodges continued in Saturday's rain, as authorities investigated whether her disappearance was related to a female jogger's assault near the the park last December.

Chelsea King, 17, was reported missing Thursday when she didn't return home from school.

Her BMW sedan was found outside the Rancho Bernardo Community Center, where she often ran along the trails around Lake Hodges.

Deputies looked for her through the night, then were joined by officers and tracking dogs from Riverside, San Bernardino and Orange counties, along with the San Diego Fire-Rescue Department, the FBI, and San Diego police.

Sheriff's dive teams searched the lake Saturday, as hundreds of other law officers and volunteers combed the streams and rivers feeding into the basin, said Sheriff Bill Gore.

"It's been a truly great effort by everybody, all with the same goal oftrying to return Chelsea to her family,'' Gore said.  "It's obviously the unknown that's so stressful and so traumatic in something like this.''

Gore said later in the day that searches by about 150 personnel, including detectives chasing every possible lead, will continue through the night and Sunday.

"We wouldn't be here if there wasn't a chance of finding her,'' Gores aid.  "The more we search, the more we can eliminate.''

Chelsea's parents, Brent and Kelly King, met with volunteers at the Chelsea King Search Center office at 11858 Bernardo Plaza, where so many people turned out despite chilling rain showers that some were told to go home.

"It's a reflection of who she is and what kind of person she is, ''Brent Kelly said as he and his wife stood in front of a band of volunteers.  "She's that kind of kid that everybody loves and it shows.''

Kelly King added that her heart,  "is overflowing with all the support and all this love, and there's no words for it.''

Brent King said Chelsea posted small notes with favorite inspirational sayings in her bathroom, including one from classical Roman poet Virgil,  "They can because they think they can.''

"We think we can bring her back; we'll find her,'' Brent King said.

Gore said investigators were working with San Diego police to determine whether her disappearance might be connected to a Dec, 27 assault on a woman at the Rancho Bernardo park. He did not offer more details on that case.

Law enforcement helicopters searched the park and lake with infrared devices, but found no trace of Chelsea, Gore said.

Investigators have seized Chelsea's cell phone, which was found in her car, and her home computer.

Chelsea is white, 5 feet 5 inches and 115 pounds, with blond hair and blue eyes.

She is due to graduate from Poway High School this spring, and is a member of the San Diego Youth Symphony and a straight-A student, and has served as a peer counselor at the school.

Depuites asked anyone with information on the girl's whereabouts to call the sheriff's department at (858) 565-5200.
http://www.sandiego6.com/news/local/story/Chelsea-King-missing-Poway-Rancho-Bernardo-jogging/zTLAKar0XUGyf78trbfHvg.cspx  (http://www.sandiego6.com/news/local/story/Chelsea-King-missing-Poway-Rancho-Bernardo-jogging/zTLAKar0XUGyf78trbfHvg.cspx)


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: cartfly on February 27, 2010, 10:18:07 PM

   (More info on attack in December)

Female Jogger Attacked in Rancho Bernardo
   Contributor: Courtney Dwyer
Email: courtney.dwyer@sandiego6.com
Last Update: 12/28/2009 11:44 pm


SAN DIEGO - A female jogger was attacked Sunday by a would-be robber in San Diego's Rancho Bernardo neighborhood.

The woman was jogging by herself in the Westwood subdivision near Poblado Road when the attack took place around 10:30 Sunday morning.  It happened on a hiking trail north of 10400 Pablado Rd.

"I heard this helicopter and it kept circling overhead and it was getting lower and it was a Police helicopter.  After about 10 minutes, he finally came on the loud speaker and basically said we're looking for someone, a lady has been attacked in the canyon," says Steve Smith, a resident who lives near the trail.

The unidentified victim, who is in her mid-20s says the attacker said hello as she was passing and then grabbed her, tackled her to the ground and demanded money.

The victim got away after she elbowed the attacker in the face.  Police think he may have a broken nose.

The suspect is described as a white male in his mid-20s, 5'11", 230 pounds with brown hair and brown eyes.  He was wearing a blue and white sweater and jeans.

The woman escaped with minor injuries but neighbors remain concerned.  "It upsets me because it happened in my neighborhood.  I won't say that I would normally be out there at 10:30 in the morning, but I wish I would have been out there about that time," says Phil Sowers, a resident who uses the trail a few times a week.

Anyone with information about this case is asked to contact San Diego Police.

http://www.sandiego6.com/news/local/story/Female-jogger-attacked-in-Rancho-Bernardo/wQY_KHtjkUWuBy3sHvcJiQ.cspx  (http://www.sandiego6.com/news/local/story/Female-jogger-attacked-in-Rancho-Bernardo/wQY_KHtjkUWuBy3sHvcJiQ.cspx)


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Edward on February 27, 2010, 10:33:15 PM
A sketch of a suspect wanted in attempted kidnap from Poway february 2009

(http://bloximages.chicago2.vip.**/nctimes.com/content/tncms/assets/editorial/5/93/878/59387817-da5b-507f-b8d8-b199aa576141.image.jpg)


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Edward on February 27, 2010, 10:40:56 PM
Private investigator Garcia reports early on that a girl in Escandido was almost abducted by a male on in White SUV 2 weeks before Amber went missing..
She ran into an elementary school to get away..




Also.... Garcia talks of this case..
 This one an abduction in Powway California..

(http://www.10news.com/2009/0202/18622589_240X180.jpg)

Poway, Calif. -- Authorities asked the public Monday for help in identifying and locating three men who abducted a 12-year-old girl on a Poway street last week.

Sheriff's officials released a sketch of one of the kidnappers, who drove the victim around the Poway area for about a half-hour before releasing her unharmed.

The youngster reported that the trio confronted her near the intersection of Scots Way and Midland Road as she was walking home about 5:30 p.m. Thursday and forced her into an older-model white van, Detective Christopher Johnson said.

The girl said the men -- she described them as Latinos in their 20s or early 30s -- did not assault her and eventually pulled over and let her get out of the vehicle.

http://www.10news.com/news/18622487/detail.html



http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5970.0


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: darla on February 27, 2010, 10:50:58 PM
MizJay....I haven't heard anymore.....they have so much going on it is hard to follow. I did hear them talking about getting DNA off a steering wheel and console, but later found that it was another victim of some kind of  crime. The car belonged to the victim and wanted it done before she picked up the car.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Edward on February 27, 2010, 10:52:05 PM
This Poway is also within range of our walmart child molest suspect, that police have photos of but aparently have not been able to identify.

BUT ..He has a red truck which they also have video of and I wonder if it was seen on video or by witness in that park..




Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Edward on February 27, 2010, 10:55:22 PM
http://www.powayusd.com/pusdphs/


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: mizjay on February 27, 2010, 10:56:48 PM
MizJay....I haven't heard anymore.....they have so much going on it is hard to follow. I did hear them talking about getting DNA off a steering wheel and console, but later found that it was another victim of some kind of  crime. The car belonged to the victim and wanted it done before she picked up the car.
I've still got it on, my cable is out,  so much of what they say I'm not exactly understanding. I need a code book!  Now at least I'll know where to listen in when I see the helicopter or squad cars slowly going thru my neighborhood


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Edward on February 27, 2010, 11:28:35 PM
Also currant in the news is this one.. The Whole family !! car found near the border. which happened in february. 2010

 Police search for missing San Clemente business owner and family ...Feb 19, 2010 ... The San Diego County Sheriff's Department conducted a check on the family ... San Clemente business owner Joseph McStay was reported missing .... Softball star's suicide saddens many · Here are some of O.C.'s most wanted ...
www.ocregister.com/articles/cirignani-235298-joseph-mcstay.html


ALSO THIS.. Historical FACT..

Danielle van Dam was reported missing on February 2nd. from san diego





Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Tracygirl on February 28, 2010, 01:18:13 AM
I don't know if the 2 cases are connected but I think they are close enough to consider it. It could be just a coincidence or it may not be. I think it is strange that the 2 girls had similar hair, skin and eye color, both were within in the same age group and they lived within 10 miles of one another. It seems both girls were doing something within their daily routines, either walking to school as Amber was doing or going for her daily jog as Chelsea was doing. Could both of these girls have been taken by some crazy person with a preference for auburn haired teen aged girls in the month of Feb? I think stranger things have happened.

I just pray if they are connected then we find both girls alive and well, if not connected? then the same outcome, be found safe and well.



Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Shell on February 28, 2010, 01:28:53 AM

Facebook

Personal Information:This FAN PAGE was created to help spread the word about CHELSEA KING, a missing teen from Poway (San Diego), CA. As far as I know, joining a group does not appear on individuals news feeds, but joining a fan page does!

1) Look AT her. Look FOR her.
2) INVITE ALL OF YOUR FRIENDS. This is a group effort from everyone - not just those who knew Chelsea. It will only take two minutes and may save a life. Please do it.
3) SEND PRAYERS, thoughts, and love to Chelsea and her family and friends for her safe return home.
4) WRITE to news stations: local, state, and national to spread the word. (read less)
This FAN PAGE was created to help spread the word about CHELSEA KING, a missing teen from Poway (San Diego), CA. As far as I know, joining a group does not appear on individuals news feeds, but joining a fan page does!

1) Look AT her. Look FOR her.
2) INVITE ALL OF YOUR FRIENDS. This is a group effort from everyone - not just those who knew Chelsea. It will only take two minutes and may save a life. Please do it.
3) SEND PRAYERS, thoughts, and love to Chelsea and her family and friends for... (read more)Personal Interests:http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local-beat/Search-Underway-for-Missing-Poway-Teen-85480472.html

http://www.fox5sandiego.com/news/kswb-photo-chelsea-king,0,3288356.photo

http://www.facebook.com/pages/HELP-FIND-CHELSEA-KING-MISSING-SAN-DIEGO-TEEN/331307387380?ref=nf&v=wall#!/pages/HELP-FIND-CHELSEA-KING-MISSING-SAN-DIEGO-TEEN/331307387380?v=wall&ref=nf

14,805 fans


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Shell on February 28, 2010, 01:38:16 AM

I should have previewed  ::MonkeyNoNo::

When I try to post, the words in the box jump around. It has done that off and on in this forum when I have tried to post.

The night before last in the news, they briefly showed a woman who said she had been attacked in the same park and I thought she said in December. She said she felt something hit the back of her head (not sure if she said she fell down or not) and the person who did it ran off because she was with her husband (I guess there must have been a gap in their pace, he being either ahead or lagging on the path, and when her husband approached the man ran off. That is all I remember hearing and she did not go into detail. The woman was not a teenager but an adult woman.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Shell on February 28, 2010, 02:44:59 AM

Possible Link to Chelsea King and Another Jogger Investigated
  Reported by: San Diego 6 News Team
Email: newstips@sandiego6.com
Last Update: 2/27 10:29 pm 



RANCHO BERNARDO -  The search for a Poway teenager who is missing  near Lake Hodges continued in Saturday's rain, as authorities investigated whether her disappearance was related to a female jogger's assault near the the park last December.

There is still no sign of missing 17-year-old Chelsea King.  More than one-thousand volunteers braved the rain and mud to help out Saturday.

Eighteen-year-old Poway High Senior Brandon Fantasia is focused.  He walked in the pouring rain through dangerous hills filled with deceptive trees that sometimes appeared to be something that they weren't, all to find fellow Poway High Senior Chelsea King.

Fantasia said, "I know Chelsea.  She was a good friend of mine.  And we all our missing her in Poway."

Brandon along with seven other volunteers searched everything in their sight.  "Just anything to show us a sign.  Anything to show us she might be there or she could've been there just anything at all,"  he said.

Now there is a Chelsea King Search Center where the heart of the volunteer effort is organized.

More than a thousand showed up Saturday to help find the Poway High straight "A" student and symphony musician. 

Fiona Obericck knows all about search efforts. She led up the search for 7-year old Danielle Van Dam in 2002. The Sabre Springs girl who was abducted from her home.

Obericck understands how much law enforcement needs the help.  "They just don't have the feet and the eyes on the ground.  This is a nice way to reinforce areas that law enforcement just can't do," she said.

Chelsea was reported missing Thursday when she didn't return home from school.

Her BMW sedan was found outside the Rancho Bernardo Community Center, where she often ran along the trails around Lake Hodges.

Deputies looked for her through the night, then were joined by officers and tracking dogs from Riverside, San Bernardino and Orange counties, along with the San Diego Fire-Rescue Department, the FBI, and San Diego police.

An FBI elite dive team will join the search Sunday along with a drone that will scour the area from the air.

Sheriff's dive teams searched the lake Saturday, as hundreds of other law officers and volunteers combed the streams and rivers feeding into the basin, said Sheriff Bill Gore.

"It's been a truly great effort by everybody, all with the same goal oftrying to return Chelsea to her family,'' Gore said.  "It's obviously the unknown that's so stressful and so traumatic in something like this.''

Gore said later in the day that searches by about 150 personnel, including detectives chasing every possible lead, will continue through the night and Sunday.

"We wouldn't be here if there wasn't a chance of finding her,'' Gores aid.  "The more we search, the more we can eliminate.''

Chelsea's parents, Brent and Kelly King, met with volunteers at the Chelsea King Search Center office at 11858 Bernardo Plaza, where so many people turned out despite chilling rain showers that some were told to go home.

"It's a reflection of who she is and what kind of person she is, ''Brent Kelly said as he and his wife stood in front of a band of volunteers.  "She's that kind of kid that everybody loves and it shows.''

Kelly King added that her heart,  "is overflowing with all the support and all this love, and there's no words for it.''

Brent King said Chelsea posted small notes with favorite inspirational sayings in her bathroom, including one from classical Roman poet Virgil,  "They can because they think they can.''

"We think we can bring her back; we'll find her,'' Brent King said.

Gore said investigators were working with San Diego police to determine whether her disappearance might be connected to a Dec, 27 assault on a woman jogging on a nearby residential development trail in the Westwood neighborhood of Rancho Bernardo. He did not offer more details on that case.

Law enforcement helicopters searched the park and lake with infrared devices, but found no trace of Chelsea, Gore said.

Investigators have seized Chelsea's cell phone, which was found in her car, and her home computer.

Chelsea is white, 5 feet 5 inches and 115 pounds, with blond hair and blue eyes.

She is due to graduate from Poway High School this spring, and is a member of the San Diego Youth Symphony and a straight-A student, and has served as a peer counselor at the school.

Depuites asked anyone with information on the girl's whereabouts to call the sheriff's department at (858) 565-5200.

http://www.sandiego6.com/news/local/story/Chelsea-King-missing-Poway-Rancho-Bernardo-jogging/zTLAKar0XUGyf78trbfHvg.cspx


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Live*Learn*Love on February 28, 2010, 03:50:00 AM
A sketch of a suspect wanted in attempted kidnap from Poway february 2009

(http://bloximages.chicago2.vip.**/nctimes.com/content/tncms/assets/editorial/5/93/878/59387817-da5b-507f-b8d8-b199aa576141.image.jpg)

Hello Everyone,
I haven't been on for awhile, but I remember a lot of you from the Amber Dubois case. I don't know if this has been mentioned yet, but if you look at the SD sheriffs site and go to press release, the talk about a failed child abduction incident in Rancho Santa Fe I think. I believe it was only a couple days before Chelsea went missing and the sketch of the guy looks similar to the sketcher from the R.B. incident from last year. The newer sketch has a mustache but he could have grown one. I will be back in RB to help search tomorrow. If there is anything I can do to help with info since I am local, just let me know. I can get pics, etc.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Shell on February 28, 2010, 04:08:44 AM

LLL, are you listening to the scanner now?



Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Shell on February 28, 2010, 04:29:43 AM

The photo for the missing person flyer was taken the day Chelsea went missing. That would be the color of her hair.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Bearlyhere on February 28, 2010, 05:37:48 AM
Good Evening Monkeys: This family is a friend of my sister's co-worker.   Obviously they are shocked and worried beyond belief. I'll certainly keep you posted of anything I find out, but any assistance you can offer would be truly appreciated.  Unfortunately I work full time during the day, but will do my best to provide updates.

I will pray for this family and for your sister's co-worker that she has just the right words to help comfort this family.  Thank you for letting us know.

 :smt056



Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: mgoblue on February 28, 2010, 09:31:27 AM
Good Morning Monkeys. I'm not sure if this will work, but attached is a link for the local paper showing updates and a few photos from the search yesterday.

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/feb/28/massive-effort-made-to-find-girl/

Can a talented monkey fix this if I mess this up? TIA


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernardo CA
Post by: Lovinlife on February 28, 2010, 10:28:09 AM
Live*Learn*Love, Godspeed for you and all of the searchers today.  I hope the rain has subsided to make it less dangerous for searching.  Praying for you all.

I realized when I started this thread that I have the name of the area spelled wrong.  It should be Rancho Bernardo.  Not sure if it matters but wanted to point it out.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Lovinlife on February 28, 2010, 10:40:23 AM
Here is the abduction attempt from Feb 12th that Live*Learn*Love is refering to up page:
(http://matchbin-assets.s3.amazonaws.com/public/sites/347/assets/PressRelease.jpg?AWSAccessKeyId=0B7XE4Z9Y6MDGTWDRJG2&Expires=1267376755&Signature=UqBZN2y%2FK2fy0aiE8xG0Yj3Prz8%3D&x-s=347)
This sketch depicts a reported bold predator who has approached
three Rancho Santa Fe children and tired to lure them into his white pickup truck.


http://thecoastnews.com/view/full_story/6467049/article-Stranger-danger-in-the-Ranch?instance=coast_more_news


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernardo CA
Post by: no rose colored glasses on February 28, 2010, 10:45:53 AM
Live*Learn*Love, Godspeed for you and all of the searchers today.  I hope the rain has subsided to make it less dangerous for searching.  Praying for you all.

I realized when I started this thread that I have the name of the area spelled wrong.  It should be Rancho Bernardo.  Not sure if it matters but wanted to point it out.
The rain has let up, there shouldn't be any today according to the report, but it sure looks like it is going to rain  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Edward on February 28, 2010, 11:51:04 AM
Live*Learn*Love


Please get pictures and post them.
Thank You


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Edward on February 28, 2010, 11:58:04 AM
(http://media.signonsandiego.com/img/photos/2010/02/28/hunt2_t352.jpg)

Chelsea’s parents, Brent and Kelly King, spoke to the media yesterday from the Chelsea King Search Center in Rancho Bernardo.


Amber's mom Carrie and Kelly met yesterday..
They look like sisters..

In a very sad way .. Now they are.



Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Edward on February 28, 2010, 12:01:22 PM
(http://media.signonsandiego.com/img/photos/2010/02/28/hunt1_t352.jpg)

Search-and-rescue personnel trudged through a section of Lake Hodges yesterday looking for signs of missing Poway teenager Chelsea King. Sheriff Bill Gore said the search is focusing on the lake and feeder creeks after the ground search turned up empty.


(http://media.signonsandiego.com/img/photos/2010/02/28/huntmap_t352.jpg)

A massive search for Poway teenager Chelsea King continued last night in what San Diego County Sheriff Bill Gore called an unprecedented law enforcement response to a missing-person case, as more than a thousand volunteers offered a staggering show of support.

Search-and-rescue volunteers and divers from throughout Southern California will be out again this morning scouring Lake Hodges for evidence that might lead to the 17-year-old, who went missing Thursday afternoon from Rancho Bernardo Community Park. More than 50 investigators are expected to be involved.

Meanwhile, Brent and Kelly King, Chelsea’s parents, said they were overwhelmed both by the circumstances and the outpouring of community concern.

At a midday news conference yesterday, Brent King urged everyone to stay strong.

“I just want to thank every single person who is showing up here to help us find our daughter,” he said. “It’s a reflection of what kind of person she is and what kind of a community we live in. She’s the kind of kid that everybody loves, and it shows.”

After an intensive hunt through the hills and trails around the park, which borders the southern shores of Lake Hodges, search teams yesterday concentrated on the lake and the creeks that feed into it.

Gore said the focus changed after an unsuccessful sweep of the ground, combined with helicopter searches using infrared equipment.

“We have not with our searches found Chelsea in the open areas,” Gore said.

As of late last night, more than 100 searchers were still in the area.

Chelsea, a Poway High School senior and an avid runner, drove to the park after school Thursday to go for a run. Her parents reported her missing when she didn’t come home by 6 p.m. The teen’s locked car was found in the park’s parking lot Thursday evening.

Gore said he met with Chelsea’s parents yesterday morning to brief them on the investigation.

“This is obviously very tough for them,” Gore said. “It’s the unknown that’s so stressful and traumatic in something like this.”

In a business park on Bernardo Plaza Court, about two miles from the park, hundreds of volunteers packed the Chelsea King Search Center yesterday. Hundreds more were turned away as lines wrapped around the center and traffic clogged nearby streets.

The volunteers just wanted to help in some way.

In addition to thanking community members, the Kings expressed appreciation to law enforcement for all its efforts.

“We’re going to find her,” Brent King said.

“Our daughter is the kind of kid that has such a forward view of life. In her bathroom, she has all sorts of sayings that she has put up to remind her who she is and what she wants to be.

“I pulled one off her bathroom wall this morning. It’s from Virgil. It says, ‘They can because they think they can.’ We think we can bring her back. We need to go find her. Please continue to do what you’re doing.”

Gore said many items have been found since the search began, but he declined to be specific or say whether anything spotted in the brush or water might be useful.

The Texas-based Laura Recovery Center, which assists searches for children nationwide, helped organize the volunteer effort. Yesterday, hundreds of people fanned out to nearby communities to knock on doors, distribute fliers and search open areas beyond where law enforcement is concentrating.

Among the volunteers was Maurice Dubois, whose daughter, Amber, disappeared more than a year ago while walking to school in Escondido. She was 14 at the time.

All over the Poway, Rancho Bernardo and Rancho Peńasquitos area, Chelsea’s photo has been posted in business windows, and her disappearance is the main topic of conversation.

Gore said the investigation into Chelsea’s disappearance is not limited to search-and-rescue efforts. Many avenues are being explored and many scenarios are still viewed as possible, he said.

One such avenue is a possible connection between Chelsea’s case and an attack on a female jogger in the same area Dec. 27. That victim was tackled by a man on a jogging path but escaped after hitting her attacker in the face with her elbow.

Gore said authorities are exploring any possible connection with the Amber Dubois case and are checking numerous reports of suspicious people seen in the park in recent weeks.

He said interviews with Chelsea’s friends, family and teachers reveal nothing in her background that is suspicious.

“We’d all like to have her as our daughter,” Gore said.

At the search center yesterday, many people hugged and cried. Several said they were drawn there because they didn’t know what else to do.

“This is every parent’s nightmare,” said Gina Storr, whose son is a senior at Poway High and a friend of Chelsea’s.

“Even though I don’t know her parents, I can feel what they’re going through. This could be any of us. You just want to do whatever you can and show support, and hopefully we can bring her home safely.”

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/feb/28/massive-effort-made-to-find-girl/


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Edward on February 28, 2010, 12:03:25 PM
Lake hodges photos from Ambers search..



Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Edward on February 28, 2010, 12:09:15 PM
(http://media.signonsandiego.com/img/photos/2010/02/27/cnsearch304470x007___t620.jpg)

More pictures here..

http://www.signonsandiego.com/photos/galleries/2010/feb/27/search-chelsea-king/


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: AmandaReckonwith on February 28, 2010, 12:53:24 PM
TY for all the great pics; adding them to the pb.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: no rose colored glasses on February 28, 2010, 12:54:26 PM
Thank-you so much for the pictures. The look on Chelsea's mom's face  ::MonkeyNoNo:: how horribly sad.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Edward on February 28, 2010, 01:16:57 PM
I do hope that behind the scenes ... That the POLICE are and have been treating this as an ABDUCTION or MURDER and have covered there bases like Gas Station video surveillance before it is gone and Cameras located in intersections and at convenience stores and looking at suspicious vehicles like WHITE VANS and RED CREW CAB PICK UPS, like the one located at the WALMART incident that they HAVE NOT CAUGHT even though they have perfect photos and vehicle on VIDEO.

WAKE UP LE IN SAN DIEGO to LOS ANGELES AREA !!!  This area of our nation has way to many unsolved attempted abductions that have led to real ones in my humble opinion..

I am so frustrated with just everything.. from how average people act to how LE acts anymore.

 


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Tracygirl on February 28, 2010, 01:17:58 PM
Just quickly checking in this morning. So sad...the look on the moms face, my goodness just rips at my heart. How on earth do these parents manage to take their next breath. I wish I could be 1/2 as strong as a person.

That is so nice of Ambers parents to help out. I am sure it makes their own pain more intense. What great people they are.

Thank you for the pics and updates


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: no rose colored glasses on February 28, 2010, 01:30:34 PM
I do hope that behind the scenes ... That the POLICE are and have been treating this as an ABDUCTION or MURDER and have covered there bases like Gas Station video surveillance before it is gone and Cameras located in intersections and at convenience stores and looking at suspicious vehicles like WHITE VANS and RED CREW CAB PICK UPS, like the one located at the WALMART incident that they HAVE NOT CAUGHT even though they have perfect photos and vehicle on VIDEO.

WAKE UP LE IN SAN DIEGO to LOS ANGELES AREA !!!  This area of our nation has way to many unsolved attempted abductions that have led to real ones in my humble opinion..

I am so frustrated with just everything.. from how average people act to how LE acts anymore.

 
I totally agree with you, I live in Orange County, know exactly what you are saying. After looking at tons of pics of this area, I'm assuming the mountain lion attacking absolutely didn't happen, but if she were running near some of the water, is it at all possible she could have tripped and fell in? Just a thought, I can feel that is not what happened, but one never knows, bizarre accidents do happen. One of our friends had one, fell off a bike and hit his head on the only rock that was around and died.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: no rose colored glasses on February 28, 2010, 02:05:57 PM

WATTS UP WITH THIS???
MAKING NEWS AND BREAKING NEWS
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BREAKING: SPORTS BRA FOUND; MAY BELONG TO CHELSEA KING
February 28, 2010 by Steph
Police have just retrieved articles of clothing, including a sprots bra, believed linked to missing 17 year old jogger Chelsea King. Police have focused the search on a particular area inside Rancho Bernardo Community Park just ouside of San Diego. Chelsea dissapeared last Thursday, after heading for the park to go on a run. Her car was found inside the park.


Because of the heavy rains police believe the sports bra may have been swept away from its actual location, so the search area is being expanded well beyond the area the sports bra was located in.
Stay tuned. I have unprecedented access to the search and will be blogging from the scene.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Tracygirl on February 28, 2010, 02:07:05 PM
I do hope that behind the scenes ... That the POLICE are and have been treating this as an ABDUCTION or MURDER and have covered there bases like Gas Station video surveillance before it is gone and Cameras located in intersections and at convenience stores and looking at suspicious vehicles like WHITE VANS and RED CREW CAB PICK UPS, like the one located at the WALMART incident that they HAVE NOT CAUGHT even though they have perfect photos and vehicle on VIDEO.

WAKE UP LE IN SAN DIEGO to LOS ANGELES AREA !!!  This area of our nation has way to many unsolved attempted abductions that have led to real ones in my humble opinion..

I am so frustrated with just everything.. from how average people act to how LE acts anymore.

 
I totally agree with you, I live in Orange County, know exactly what you are saying. After looking at tons of pics of this area, I'm assuming the mountain lion attacking absolutely didn't happen, but if she were running near some of the water, is it at all possible she could have tripped and fell in? Just a thought, I can feel that is not what happened, but one never knows, bizarre accidents do happen. One of our friends had one, fell off a bike and hit his head on the only rock that was around and died.

I was thinking about this as well. I would hope they have walked all of the trails that one could take? She could have had an accident and gotten hurt.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Tracygirl on February 28, 2010, 02:08:14 PM

WATTS UP WITH THIS???
MAKING NEWS AND BREAKING NEWS
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
BREAKING: SPORTS BRA FOUND; MAY BELONG TO CHELSEA KING
February 28, 2010 by Steph
Police have just retrieved articles of clothing, including a sprots bra, believed linked to missing 17 year old jogger Chelsea King. Police have focused the search on a particular area inside Rancho Bernardo Community Park just ouside of San Diego. Chelsea dissapeared last Thursday, after heading for the park to go on a run. Her car was found inside the park.


Because of the heavy rains police believe the sports bra may have been swept away from its actual location, so the search area is being expanded well beyond the area the sports bra was located in.
Stay tuned. I have unprecedented access to the search and will be blogging from the scene.


Oh gosh that is not good


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Tracygirl on February 28, 2010, 02:09:38 PM
NRCG where did you read that from? Was it a news site or another forum?


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: no rose colored glasses on February 28, 2010, 02:11:13 PM
NRCG where did you read that from? Was it a news site or another forum?
I just saw that on InSessions.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Tracygirl on February 28, 2010, 02:13:56 PM
NRCG where did you read that from? Was it a news site or another forum?
I just saw that on InSessions.

Oh, wow that just really makes me want to vomit...I am praying and praying they do not find her body, but this is not looking good is it?


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: no rose colored glasses on February 28, 2010, 02:15:28 PM
NRCG where did you read that from? Was it a news site or another forum?
I just saw that on InSessions.

Oh, wow that just really makes me want to vomit...I am praying and praying they do not find her body, but this is not looking good is it?
No it is not, and isn't that Watts guy, I think his first name is Stef or something like that, didn't he use to work for Greta and we saw his name a lot in the Haleigh case?


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Tracygirl on February 28, 2010, 02:20:28 PM
Oh gosh I don't know, I don't post or read that case.

ArmChair posted something interesting in the Amber thread, did you read it? She included that both cases happened around senior living centers and suggested maybe a worker could have something to do with it? Long shot but it is interesting. Amber walked by a set of Apartments everyday to and from school and this girl was said to use the trails at this park quite often.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: no rose colored glasses on February 28, 2010, 02:25:56 PM
Oh gosh I don't know, I don't post or read that case.

ArmChair posted something interesting in the Amber thread, did you read it? She included that both cases happened around senior living centers and suggested maybe a worker could have something to do with it? Long shot but it is interesting. Amber walked by a set of Apartments everyday to and from school and this girl was said to use the trails at this park quite often.
I will go look and see.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: AmandaReckonwith on February 28, 2010, 02:46:26 PM
Steph says he is on the scene.

http://stephww.wordpress.com/2010/02/28/breaking-sports-bra-found-may-belong-to-chelsea-king/


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: no rose colored glasses on February 28, 2010, 03:05:04 PM
Steph says he is on the scene.

http://stephww.wordpress.com/2010/02/28/breaking-sports-bra-found-may-belong-to-chelsea-king/
Thank-you


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Edward on February 28, 2010, 03:42:27 PM
Tim Miller with his non profit all volunteer Texas Equusearch and his search members are the best search team I know of.
They did a great deal of searching in the Natalee Holloway case and many others.
There success rate is high.

Tim Miller first started doing this when LE failed to find his own missing daughter and So He went out and found her himself.
Years later he still grieves.. It is written on his face but his Blood is on fire. He wants to find this child. His team was brought to find the family missing at the border..
That situation looks like drug lords that abducted them.. The wife looks suspicious at the moment, only because of her 6 identities. So she could be considered Wanted possibly.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Edward on February 28, 2010, 04:03:14 PM
Here is steph's main page.. He is on the scene.

 This week I will be imbedded with Texas EquuSearch. I’m looking forward to spending the week with Tim Miller, and getting a behind-the-scenes glimpse into the work they do. I will be blogging about everything that happens.

http://stephww.wordpress.com/



Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Edward on February 28, 2010, 04:34:40 PM
Police found the teenager's black BMW sedan parked inside the park's parking lot with her cell phone inside, according to the station.

The San Diego County Sheriff’s Department, along with the FBI and law enforcement from Riverside, San Bernardino and Orange counties, launched on all-out search for Chelsea using helicopters, infrared devices and search dogs to scour the park's rugged terain.

On Sunday, dive teams reportedly searched Lake Hodges for any sign of Chelsea, described as 5'5" tall with blonde hair and blue eyes and weighing 115 pounds.

"This is the most horrific nightmare you could ever imagine," family spokeswoman Stephanie Dorian said in an interview Sunday with FoxNews.com.

Dorian said that Chelsea, a peer counselor and french horn player with the San Diego Youth Symphony, "usually didn't run alone."

"She's incredibly intelligent, well-liked and beautiful," Dorian said. "She's adored by everyone."

Dorian said over 2,500 volunteers are assisting law enforcement in the search and that 15,000 missing person fliers have been distributed.

San Diego authorities are reportedly working to determine whether there is any connection between the girl's disappearance and an assault on a woman at the park on Dec. 27.

(http://www.foxnews.com/images/599987/8_64_022810_King8.jpg)


http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,587622,00.html


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: darla on February 28, 2010, 04:40:18 PM
Good Afternoon Monkeys and Guest!

They just said on the scanner that a dive team is being diverted to where dogs hit on the water near a footbridge.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Shell on February 28, 2010, 04:42:47 PM

Darla, I am about to turn on the scanner. Are you listening to North San Diego County Sheriff and Escondido Police?


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Shell on February 28, 2010, 04:46:35 PM

Darla, which feed are you listening to please???


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: mizjay on February 28, 2010, 04:55:11 PM
NRCG where did you read that from? Was it a news site or another forum?
I just saw that on InSessions.

Oh, wow that just really makes me want to vomit...I am praying and praying they do not find her body, but this is not looking good is it?
I so want them to find something but....I'm sick about that find.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: no rose colored glasses on February 28, 2010, 05:06:23 PM
Good Afternoon Monkeys and Guest!

They just said on the scanner that a dive team is being diverted to where dogs hit on the water near a footbridge.
Thanks Darla


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: cartfly on February 28, 2010, 05:09:34 PM
Some scanner codes for those interested:

Edit to add link per cartfly.  MB
http://www.scansandiego.net/Scanner/police_codes.html#ten


Note: CHP uses a different set of "ten-codes"
        
Ten Codes                                                                        Eleven Codes

Note: CHP uses a different set of "eleven-codes"
     10-1    Receiving Poorly                                   11-6    Discharging Firearm    
     10-2    Receiving Well                                           11-7    Prowler    
     10-3    Change Channel                                   11-8    Person Down    
     10-4    Acknowledge Message                          11-10    Take a Report    
     10-5    Relay Message                                        11-12    Injured Animal    
     10-6    Busy                                                  11-13    Dead Animal    
     10-7    Out of Service                                          11-14    Dog Bite    
     10-8    In Service                                          11-15    Ball game in Street    
     10-9    Repeat?                                                  11-27    Felony Record, No Want    
     10-10    Remain in Service                                  11-28    Misdemeanor Record, No Want    
     10-16    Prisoner                                                  11-29    No Want    
     10-17    Report Routine                                          11-30    Incomplete Phone Call    
     10-19    Return to Station                                  11-31    Calling for Help (other than officer)    
                                                                             11-40    Notify if Ambulance Needed    
     10-21    Phone ______                                          11-41    Ambulance Needed    
     10-21H    Phone your home                                  11-42    Ambulance Not Needed    
     10-22    Disregard                                                  11-44    Coroner's Case    
     10-23    Stand  By                                                  11-45    Suicide    
     10-28    Vehicle Registration Check                  11-46    Death    
     10-29    Check for Wants/Warrants                  11-47    Injured Person    
     10-34    Are you Clear?                                          11-48    Provide Transportation    
     10-35    Dangerous/Armed Person Alert          11-49    Vehicle Stop    
     10-36    Time Check                                          11-50    Vehicle Stop, license check    
     10-41    Beginning of Shift                                  11-51    Ped Stop / FI (Field Investigation)    
     10-42    End of Shift                                          11-52    Status Check    
     10-46    Assist Motorist                                          11-53    Security Check    
     10-53    Road Blocked                                          11-55    Hazardous/Chemical spill    
     10-60    Attempt to Contact                                  11-60    Water Leak    
     10-87    Meet the officer                                  11-66    Traffic Lights Out    
     10-88    Request Cover Unit                                  11-71    Fire    
     10-89    Bomb Threat                                          11-80    Accident, Serious Injury    
     10-92    Radio Check                                          11-81    Accident, Minor Injury    
     10-97    Arrived at Scene                                  11-82    Accident, No Injury Property Only    
     10-98    Finished last Assignment (CHP uses only)11-83    Accident, No Details    
                                                                             11-84    Traffic Control    
                                                                             11-85    Tow Truck    
                                                                             11-86    Special Detail    
                                                                             11-88    Citizen Assist    
                                                                             11-99    Officer Needs Help    
                         


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: no rose colored glasses on February 28, 2010, 05:10:00 PM
Here is steph's main page.. He is on the scene.

 This week I will be imbedded with Texas EquuSearch. I’m looking forward to spending the week with Tim Miller, and getting a behind-the-scenes glimpse into the work they do. I will be blogging about everything that happens.

http://stephww.wordpress.com/


Thanks Edward


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: mizjay on February 28, 2010, 05:11:53 PM
CARTFLY~   Thanks for that ^^   


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: cartfly on February 28, 2010, 05:13:54 PM
Sorry forgot the link for the above info: (more info at link than I posted also)

http://www.scansandiego.net/Scanner/police_codes.html#ten (http://www.scansandiego.net/Scanner/police_codes.html#ten)


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: cartfly on February 28, 2010, 05:19:59 PM
CARTFLY~   Thanks for that ^^   

Your quite welcome. I became interested in the scanners during the Haleigh Cummings case. That was interesting to say the least.... ::MonkeyHaHa::

I wish they would talk "louder" and slower for me.....hard to keep up but interesting for the most part.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: mizjay on February 28, 2010, 05:26:07 PM
CARTFLY~   Thanks for that ^^   

Your quite welcome. I became interested in the scanners during the Haleigh Cummings case. That was interesting to say the least.... ::MonkeyHaHa::

I wish they would talk "louder" and slower for me.....hard to keep up but interesting for the most part.
Ditto on the louder & slower (with translation !)  I'm amazed at their ability  to not chit chat. It would be so hard for me not to be adding my 2 cents at all times!


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Shell on February 28, 2010, 05:26:40 PM
CARTFLY~   Thanks for that ^^   

Your quite welcome. I became interested in the scanners during the Haleigh Cummings case. That was interesting to say the least.... ::MonkeyHaHa::

I wish they would talk "louder" and slower for me.....hard to keep up but interesting for the most part.

I am listening to No SD Co Sheriff and Escondido Police. Is that the feed you all are listening to as well? So far, all I have heard is Groups calling in the all clear.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: mizjay on February 28, 2010, 05:30:37 PM
CARTFLY~   Thanks for that ^^   

Your quite welcome. I became interested in the scanners during the Haleigh Cummings case. That was interesting to say the least.... ::MonkeyHaHa::

I wish they would talk "louder" and slower for me.....hard to keep up but interesting for the most part.

I am listening to No SD Co Sheriff and Escondido Police. Is that the feed you all are listening to as well? So far, all I have heard is Groups calling in the all clear.

10/4    lol  yes, that's the one I'm listening to also.  Saw a helicopter pass over not long ago, maybe going there 


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Tracygirl on February 28, 2010, 05:33:15 PM
Can you please post the link to the scanner?

thanks!


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Shell on February 28, 2010, 05:35:52 PM

Miz, mid morning today volunteer came by with info about Chelsea. They really have gotten out there fast and furiously!


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: mizjay on February 28, 2010, 05:37:34 PM
Can you please post the link to the scanner?

thanks!
TG~ I will blow it if i try to link but go to pg.3 this thread, link by Cartfly


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: mizjay on February 28, 2010, 05:41:56 PM

Miz, mid morning today volunteer came by with info about Chelsea. They really have gotten out there fast and furiously!
I thought you probably lived near to that area,  yes, I'm so glad that this has taken front and center. Too many of these things seem to get a small blurb on the news or paper and then  not too much follow up, it leads ya to think it must have gotten solved but later we find out that, no, they didn't find the bad guy(s)


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Shell on February 28, 2010, 05:44:01 PM

Thursday, when I saw the chopper flying by my deck so low, i knew something was up.

The coach was on TV yesterday saying they are told over and over to never go jogging alone. *sigh

In the mothers voice you can hear the heartbreak inside her. And when she said "she's such a good girl", I got all choked up.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Tracygirl on February 28, 2010, 05:45:09 PM
Can you please post the link to the scanner?

thanks!
TG~ I will blow it if i try to link but go to pg.3 this thread, link by Cartfly

Thanks!


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: cartfly on February 28, 2010, 05:46:48 PM
Online scanner with search party, scroll down to North San Diego County Sheriff and Escondido Police Live Scanner. Alot of chatter from search groups.


http://www.radioreference.com/apps/audio/?ctid=219  (http://www.radioreference.com/apps/audio/?ctid=219)


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Shell on February 28, 2010, 05:47:03 PM
Online scanner with search party, scroll down to North San Diego County Sheriff and Escondido Police Live Scanner. Alot of chatter from search groups.


http://www.radioreference.com/apps/audio/?ctid=219  (http://www.radioreference.com/apps/audio/?ctid=219)

Bump- It is amazing how clear most of it is, although I also wish they would repeat or slow down  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Tracygirl on February 28, 2010, 05:47:11 PM
Shell have you gone to search?


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: darla on February 28, 2010, 05:48:29 PM
Sorry Shell...I had to step away for a little while. You found the right feed link to the scanner. I am use to my little county and it is quiet for long periods of time and this one is extremely busy. But I have learned to tell the difference in the search group and regular traffic. The search groups are not very loud compared to regular traffic.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: mizjay on February 28, 2010, 05:51:06 PM

Thursday, when I saw the chopper flying by my deck so low, i knew something was up.

The coach was on TV yesterday saying they are told over and over to never go jogging alone. *sigh

In the mothers voice you can hear the heartbreak inside her. And when she said "she's such a good girl", I got all choked up.
We get so complacent, everyday seems so like the next. Chelsea probably felt so comfortable in the park, been there a zillion times and never felt threatened but that's exactly what criminals count on. It's sickening.  The parents,...my heart just cracks every time I see them.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: cartfly on February 28, 2010, 05:51:58 PM

Thursday, when I saw the chopper flying by my deck so low, i knew something was up.

The coach was on TV yesterday saying they are told over and over to never go jogging alone. *sigh

In the mothers voice you can hear the heartbreak inside her. And when she said "she's such a good girl", I got all choked up.

I had a hard time looking at Chelsea's parents in the videos and photos too. It is truly heartbreaking. I also thought I read in the beginning of the thread that they had moved to California from Illinois in the last year. I imagine that decision to relocate will haunt them forever. ( I dont mean to sound negative but the reality is that this is unlikely to have a happy outcome) ::MonkeyTears::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Shell on February 28, 2010, 05:55:07 PM
Shell have you gone to search?

No, I am not physically able to handle it.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: mizjay on February 28, 2010, 05:57:15 PM

Thursday, when I saw the chopper flying by my deck so low, i knew something was up.

The coach was on TV yesterday saying they are told over and over to never go jogging alone. *sigh

In the mothers voice you can hear the heartbreak inside her. And when she said "she's such a good girl", I got all choked up.

I had a hard time looking at Chelsea's parents in the videos and photos too. It is truly heartbreaking. I also thought I read in the beginning of the thread that they had moved to California from Illinois in the last year. I imagine that decision to relocate will haunt them forever. ( I dont mean to sound negative but the reality is that this is unlikely to have a happy outcome) ::MonkeyTears::

IA, how could you not regret the decision for the rest of their days?  I agree with thre rest of your comment also, if she had been injured due to a fall and was so incapacitated not to yell or be found by now, the cold and rain would have been devastating


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Tracygirl on February 28, 2010, 05:58:39 PM
So what code are we looking to hear? They are talking in code. Is there a specific code we will hear if they find her? You know you need to have the code list handy, my goodness. They do talk fast too! How can they understand each other.



Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: cartfly on February 28, 2010, 05:59:23 PM
Interesting article. It gives a more detailed glimps of this girl. Apparently she was involved in some kind of peer counseling and also does some tutoring? she also is known to change into running cloths and go for a jog after school in this area.  What I noticed that I think is sort of odd is the two moms kind of look alike. 

http://www.pomeradonews.com/article/News/News/Seach_for_teen_will_continue_through_weekend/32666

The search for 17-year-old Chelsea King will continue through the night and weekend in Rancho Bernardo Community Park’s open space San Diego Sheriff Bill Gore said Friday night.
“Obviously, we want a quick end to the search for Chelsea so we can bring her back to her parents,” Gore said.
The lack of clues almost 24 hours after Brent King discovered his daughter’s black BMW in the Rancho Bernardo-Glassman Recreation Center parking lot near the tennis courts around 6:45 p.m. Thursday is concerning, Gore said, “but we’re still optimistic.”
As about 60 search and rescue team members continue to search the park via air and ground, Gore said other investigators are talking to those living in nearby homes. In addition, dive teams have been searching the Lake Hodges shoreline.
 The Laura Recovery Center Foundation is organizing locals who want to help in the search on Saturday. Volunteers must be at least 18 years old, bring a valid ID and dress for the weather, said Fiona Oberrick, a foundation member from Sabre Springs. They should also wear comfortable shoes and bring water. They will be sent to assigned areas in groups of 10 to 15 volunteers for two-hour shifts between 1 and 4 p.m., she said.
Volunteers are to meet — rain or shine — at the RB United office, 11858 Bernardo Plaza Court, Suite 200 in Rancho Bernardo. It is behind Citibank. For details, call 858-485-8502.
 The group has conducted such searches “in tandem” with law enforcement before, Oberrick said. These included the search for Danielle Van Dam, the 7-year-old abducted from her Sabre Springs home in 2002, and Amber Dubois, who disappeared while walking to Escondido High in February 2009.
Due to the search for King, all activities in Rancho Bernardo Community Park have been canceled for this weekend, said Teri Adams, the recreation center’s director.
King was last seen around 2 p.m. Thursday at Poway High, where she is a senior. Authorities said it is believed the cross-country team member went to run after school.
In a Friday afternoon press conference, Gore said after King did not come home, her parents called AT&T to locate her cell phone. That’s how her father located her car and then contacted the sheriff’s department.
Gore said it was King’s habit after school to change from school clothes into jogging clothes and run for four to six miles in the RB park and other local areas.

Authorities are also checking the teenager’s home computer and her cell phone, found inside her car with her school clothes.
King’s parents, Brent and Kelly King, along with Gore, spoke at a press conference late Friday morning.
“We’ve been missing our daughter since 6 last night,” Brent King said. “We’vee been provided with every resource available to locate her and are praying (for) Chelsea..”
 The tearful mother said she wanted to thank all the volunteers who are looking for their daughter.
“Please help us bring her home,” she said. “She’s such a good girl.”
The missing teen is 5 feet, 5 inches tall, 115 pounds with strawberry blonde hair and blue eyes.
Thus far, volunteers have devoted their efforts to making and posting fliers throughout Rancho Bernardo and Poway.
Linda Farmer, a Poway Unified budget analyst, said she was one of the volunteers because her daughter is a friend of King.
“I’m very concerned,” Farmer said. “Any time a child is missing is a serious issue.”
Poway High junior Yadira Molina, 17, was among the cross country and track team members who came to the park Friday morning looking for ways to help.
Molina, who learned of her friend’s disappearance Thursday night via Facebook, said she knows King through peer counseling, one of her many activities.
Relative Stephanie Dorian is among the out-of-area family members who have come to comfort King’s parents and 13-year-old brother, Tyler. The family moved to Poway three years ago from Chicago, Ill.
Dorian described King as “a tremendously amazing ... intelligent and resourceful girl.”
Mike Cook, director of instrumental music at Poway High, said, “Chelsea has a very bubbly personality, always smiling.” For the past two years, she has been first chair for the French horn section in the school’s wind symphony, he said.
King has also volunteered at clean-ups and tutors local youth.
Anyone with information about King’s disappearance  is asked to call the San Diego County Sheriff at 858-565-5200.
 Staff Writer Pat Kumpan contributed to this story.

Bolded Underlined by Me (reference to family moving to
California)


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Tracygirl on February 28, 2010, 06:00:31 PM
Shell have you gone to search?

No, I am not physically able to handle it.

Oh I am sorry Shell, I didn't know. Do you hear or see any helicopters now? How far away are you from the park?


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Shell on February 28, 2010, 06:03:47 PM
Did you hear them talking about the 3 ladies they had to ask to leave. They were entering the park, maybe to take a stroll in the park (lookie loos I am sure).

I wonder if it is someone who goes to the park, cased it out to see who has a pattern of jogging alone on a schedule. It could be someone who does not look out of place in the area. I wonder how often Chelsea jogged alone. It seems like they said she had a pattern of jogging after school, but I wonder if she usually went with a friend or alone.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: mgoblue on February 28, 2010, 06:05:12 PM
Here's a link to a slide show of pictures from the search.

http://www.signonsandiego.com/photos/galleries/2010/feb/27/search-chelsea-king/

Thanks, Monkeys, for all of the updates.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Tracygirl on February 28, 2010, 06:08:11 PM
Did you hear them talking about the 3 ladies they had to ask to leave. They were entering the park, maybe to take a stroll in the park (lookie loos I am sure).

I wonder if it is someone who goes to the park, cased it out to see who has a pattern of jogging alone on a schedule. It could be someone who does not look out of place in the area. I wonder how often Chelsea jogged alone. It seems like they said she had a pattern of jogging after school, but I wonder if she usually went with a friend or alone.

I have read 2 different things about if she was usually alone or with others. Considering the coach had to give a warning I would assume it was something the girls did. supposedly she often jogged after school and would use this park often.

I did hear that, I think some people were searching in the park that was not apart of the official search. 


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Shell on February 28, 2010, 06:08:39 PM
So what code are we looking to hear? They are talking in code. Is there a specific code we will hear if they find her? You know you need to have the code list handy, my goodness. They do talk fast too! How can they understand each other.



Well, for one thing, Californians tend to speed talk.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: no rose colored glasses on February 28, 2010, 06:10:43 PM
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I'd say the tone has changed here today. It seems still as resolvedly determined, but now I think it's decidedly less optimistic than it had been. People are trying to remain hopeful but concern is definitely increasing.

It seemed most people, authorities included, were truly hoping she'd be found simply injured from twisting an ankle or something running and just not able to get back out from the trails and would be found, and now that it's been almost 72 hours with (from the Sheriff himself) one of the largest searches of this kind he's seen, that people are fearing that she truly was abducted or encountered someone who did something to/with her.

They had 70+ groups that went out today, with about 15-20 people each, and still plan to go out every morning beginning at 9, though I think they are still stagger starting some teams. As I said, they are apparently restricting access of where most searchers are going, though, and keeping most people in neighborhoods and off of the trails now. Over 35,000 fliers were there to be passed out and posted today by volunteers.

Two helicopters have been up most of the day. The larger one is being used to "ferry" people out to areas further back in the trails, more west of the park, and then having them search from there back in towards the park.

There was a very large concentration of LEO (Sheriffs, SDPD, police from other areas, military, dive team, SAR teams, and apparently still FBI, but those I didn't personally see) out, not only by the park, but also in one particular area further back.

In the area near the waterfall down below Legends neighborhood (visible from the end of Smokesignal) there were several dozen search teams that seemed to be focusing on the trails there, the rocks and waterfall area carefully, and then the finger of the lake that is right there.

It's actually the area near where the other attack/robbery reportedly occurred - basically at Poblado between Moon Song and Smokesignal. There were probably 70+ more searchers in gear (not just the LRC group vests, this was something else), half a dozen or so cop cars, SAR labeled vehicles, and some others that I saw as I went past. They were all waiting to enter the rails there. It was clearly the direction they had a large number of people staging to go in and comb even more, and the trails there are blocked (and, from the looks of it) are likely guarded overnight right now to keep people out.

There is definitely a heavy LEO presence, and Chelsea's disappearance is really the only topic of conversation. You overhear it everywhere - in the store, at restaurants, at church, out shopping, etc. Everyone's sharing stories of what they've done to help - donated food, searched, posted fliers, tied ribbons, gone to prayer vigils, etc. And everyone is definitely holding their children closer.

Photos of some of the above to come in a few minutes.
  (A local on WS who has given good updates and pictures)


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: cartfly on February 28, 2010, 06:14:29 PM


SLANG AND ABBREVIATIONS FREQUENTY USED
BY LAW ENFORCEMENT

AC Aircraft crash
AID Accident Investigation Detail
ADW Assault with a deadly weapon
AGE Aid in gaining entry
AKA Also known as
ASAP As soon as possible
ATC Attempt to contact
ATL Attempt to locate
AWOL Absent without leave
B&E Breaking and entering
BO Out of order (not working)
BOL Be on the lookout
BT Bomb threat ("Bravo Tango")
CP Complaining party
CHP California Highway Patrol
CPD City (or county) property damage
CRT Information Computer
CVC California Vehicle Code
DA District Attorney
DB Dead body
D/C Discovering party
DDL Driver's license
Deuce Drunk driver
DNA Does not apply
DMV Department of Motor Vehicles
DOA Dead on arrival
EOW End of watch/shift
East Off campus to the East side
ETA Estimated time of arrival
FTA Failure to appear
F 647F (often said as "an F subject") = drunk in public
FTP Failure to pay
F & U False and unfounded
GOA Gone on arrival
GTA Grand theft auto
H & S Health and Safety Code
HBD Has been drinking
J Juvenile involved
Landline On the telephone now
NCIC National Crime Information Center
NFD No further description (or "no further")
NFI No further information (or "no further")
N/R No report
OAA Outside agency assist
OIC Officer in charge
PAB Police Administration Building
PC Penal Code/party complaining
PD Police Department
PR Party reporting
PSMR Please see me regarding
QOA Quiet on arrival - used on party/loud music calls
QOD Quiet on departure - used on party/loud music calls
QT Secrecy of location required
Rabbit Subject know to run/evade
R/O Registered owner
RP Reporting party
SO Sheriff's Office
TA Traffic accident
TC Traffic collision
TFMV Theft from motor vehicle
UTL Unable to locate
VIN Vehicle identification number
W Female involved
West Off campus to the West side
X Female

http://www.mendosa.com/code.html (http://www.mendosa.com/code.html)


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Tracygirl on February 28, 2010, 06:22:44 PM
Thanks for the slang and abbreviation list. I have my code numbers up in another tab and will include this as well.

NRCG thank you for posting that for us to read. I am sure it is like trying to find a needle in a hay stack. From the looks of that area on Google maps it is huge. I pray if she is out there they find her.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Shell on February 28, 2010, 06:22:47 PM
No, I have not seen helicopters today.

I can see the hills RB off to the right of where I live. I overlook the valley. Hate getting too specific here, but I live in the 07 fire zone path. We just rebuilt and moved back this summer.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: no rose colored glasses on February 28, 2010, 06:30:36 PM
No, I have not seen helicopters today.

I can see the hills RB off to the right of where I live. I overlook the valley. Hate getting too specific here, but I live in the 07 fire zone path. We just rebuilt and moved back this summer.
That was horrible, glad you have rebuilt and moved back  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: no rose colored glasses on February 28, 2010, 06:40:13 PM
So it definitely seems they have reason to think now that she was only in the southern area - since the northern parts of the lake are open and the trails there are, whereas everything south of the lake isn't allowing public access.  ( again an update from the local at WS)


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Shell on February 28, 2010, 06:47:14 PM
No, I have not seen helicopters today.

I can see the hills RB off to the right of where I live. I overlook the valley. Hate getting too specific here, but I live in the 07 fire zone path. We just rebuilt and moved back this summer.

RB community ctr is 2 exits and other side of fwy from me


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Tracygirl on February 28, 2010, 07:00:43 PM
So it definitely seems they have reason to think now that she was only in the southern area - since the northern parts of the lake are open and the trails there are, whereas everything south of the lake isn't allowing public access.  ( again an update from the local at WS)

If you look at Google maps it is not that far from the parking lot. I am surprised it is near homes, I was honestly thinking they were looking on the other side of parking lot, north of it not south.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Tracygirl on February 28, 2010, 07:02:32 PM
No, I have not seen helicopters today.

I can see the hills RB off to the right of where I live. I overlook the valley. Hate getting too specific here, but I live in the 07 fire zone path. We just rebuilt and moved back this summer.

RB community ctr is 2 exits and other side of fwy from me

wow you are close by. Glad your back in your home, what an awful fire that was.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Shell on February 28, 2010, 07:38:48 PM

It sounded to me like somebody wanted to check a manhole and the key he had to the cover was not right and he is getting the right tool now. Might not be related, but...I guess they have to check those places too.

I am glad the rain stopped. Last night it was raining/blinding/catsNdogs kind of rain


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Tracygirl on February 28, 2010, 09:32:54 PM
Just posting, this is not varified at all. I have no idea if this is true or not.
http://stephww.wordpress.com/

BREAKING: ARREST IN THE CHELSEA KING CASE
February 28, 2010 by Steph
A 30 year old man who lives in a home with his mother on the ege of the park that Chelsea King dissapeared from has been arrested in connection to her disssapearance…stay tuned


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: no rose colored glasses on February 28, 2010, 09:52:33 PM
Just posting, this is not varified at all. I have no idea if this is true or not.
http://stephww.wordpress.com/

BREAKING: ARREST IN THE CHELSEA KING CASE
February 28, 2010 by Steph
A 30 year old man who lives in a home with his mother on the ege of the park that Chelsea King dissapeared from has been arrested in connection to her disssapearance…stay tuned

I just saw that also.  Steph Watts is saying an arrest of a 30 yr old happened. Supposedly there will be a news conference.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Shell on February 28, 2010, 09:52:54 PM

I wonder how that can be verified. I am not watching TV right now.

If it is true, wow.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Tracygirl on February 28, 2010, 09:58:46 PM
I am looking everywhere and can't find anything. Let me look if I can find the "who is in custody" for that area.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Edward on February 28, 2010, 10:04:42 PM
I tend to trust the source.. he is hanging with tim miller.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: no rose colored glasses on February 28, 2010, 10:05:43 PM
I tend to trust the source.. he is hanging with tim miller.
I do also.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: mizjay on February 28, 2010, 10:09:33 PM
I tend to trust the source.. he is hanging with tim miller.
I do also.
If true, leaves a small ray of hope, maybe she's in the home


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Tracygirl on February 28, 2010, 10:10:32 PM
Well Edward and NRCG if you trust him so will I. I hope this has lead to finding Chelsea....

Do you know when a news conference will be?


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Live*Learn*Love on February 28, 2010, 10:11:52 PM
According to the SD sheriffs press release, "The San Diego Sheriif's Department will be holding a press conference at the Cheslea King Search Command Post at 6:30 pm this evening." Anyone know what channel it might be on???


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Tracygirl on February 28, 2010, 10:12:55 PM
I tend to trust the source.. he is hanging with tim miller.
I do also.
If true, leaves a small ray of hope, maybe she's in the home

I sure hope so too,


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Edward on February 28, 2010, 10:15:19 PM
it is 7:15 right now.. so we missed it ?


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Tracygirl on February 28, 2010, 10:15:47 PM
It is 7:15, the presser was at 6:30

San Diego County
SHERIFF’S DEPARTMENT
PRESS RELEASE INFORMATION SHEET
PAD-3 9/01 REPLACES TS25
InformationType: Information
Subject of Release: Sheriff's Press Conference
Other Information:
Person Providing Information: Lt. Mike Munsey
Email Address of Provider:
Telephone number of Provider: 858-565-5555
Fax number of Provider:
Date of Release: February 28, 2010
Time of Release: 5:30 pm
INFORMATION:
Date of Occurrence: February 28,2010
Time of Occurrence: 6:30pm
Location of Incident: 18448 W. Bernardo Dr. San Diego
SYNOPSIS:
The San Diego Sheriif's Department will be holding a press conference at the Cheslea King Search Command Post at
6:30 pm this evenin


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Tracygirl on February 28, 2010, 10:17:05 PM
SAN DIEGO -- In a news conference going on right now, sheriff William Gore has said the police do have a suspect in custody. Stay with 10News.com and 10News for the latest developments.

An multi-agency effort to find a 17-year-old girl who failed to return from a run near Lake Hodges on Thursday resumed Sunday.

More than 1,000 volunteers turned out to search for Chelsea King on Saturday, and sheriff's deputies said they were investigating if her disappearance might be related to an assault in December.


Chelsea's BMW was found in Rancho Bernardo Community Park, where she often went to run. San Diego County Sheriff Bill Gore said his investigators were working with San Diego police to determine if her disappearance was connected to a Dec. 27 assault on a woman at the Rancho Bernardo park. He declined to give details of that case.

Brent and Kelly King, Chelsea's parents, met with volunteers at the start of Saturday's search, where a big crowd turned out to help look for the Poway High School senior despite the rain. "It's a reflection of who she is and what kind of person she is," Brent Kelly said. "She's that kind of kid that everybody loves and it shows."

Saturday's search included law enforcement officers in a helicopter equipped with infrared sensors, divers and tracking dogs.

Investigators are looking at Chelsea's cell phone, which was found in her car, and her home computer for clues.

Chelsea, a member of the San Diego Symphony and a straight-A student, failed to come home from an after-school run, and her parents reported her missing about 6 p.m.

She is white, about 5 feet 5 inches and 115 pounds, with blond hair and blue eyes.

Deputies asked that anyone with more information call the sheriff's department at (858) 565-5200. Copyright 2010 by City News Service. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.

Link per Tracygirl. http://www.10news.com/news/22678790/detail.html MB


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Tracygirl on February 28, 2010, 10:17:34 PM
http://www.10news.com/news/22678790/detail.html

Sorry here is the link


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: mizjay on February 28, 2010, 10:19:14 PM
Thanks TracyG    Boy, if you didn't read that carefully the part about a suspect would be missed!   


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Tracygirl on February 28, 2010, 10:20:50 PM
Uggg I can't find anything else right now on it, that was the only thing so far.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Live*Learn*Love on February 28, 2010, 10:30:14 PM
A suspect has been arrested in the case of missing teen Chelsea King, according to investigators.

John Gardner was arrested outside a restaurant in Escondido around 4.30 p.m. Gardner is a registered sex offender on the Megan’s law website.

King, 17, went for a run about 2 p.m. Thursday at Rancho Bernardo Community Park. She never came home.

Check back for details on this breaking story.

Source: Suspect Arrested in Case of Missing Teen Chelsea King | NBC San Diego



http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local-beat/Suspect-Arrested-in-Case-of-Missing-Teen-Chelsea-King--.html


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Tracygirl on February 28, 2010, 10:32:47 PM
Ok found this and it has his name....


A suspect has been arrested in the case of missing teen Chelsea King, according to investigators.

John Gardner was arrested outside a restaurant in Escondido around 4.30 p.m. Gardner is a registered sex offender on the Megan’s law website.

King, 17, went for a run about 2 p.m. Thursday at Rancho Bernardo Community Park. She never came home.

Check back for details on this breaking story.



Source: Suspect Arrested in Case of Missing Teen Chelsea King | NBC San Diego


I looked up a john Gardner and there are 2 registered, one is a transiant out of Alameda CA, (nor cal) and the other is out of Riverside County, Lake Elsenor. Not sure if it is the same person as it didn't say what state he was registered in


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: MuffyBee on February 28, 2010, 10:33:56 PM
Thank you for the updates Tracygirl and Live*Learn*Love.  Hopefully there will be more information soon. 


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Edward on February 28, 2010, 10:34:27 PM
Everybody will go silent while this fellow gets legal representaion.
All family members of victim have to be informed.
Probably lots of reasons why the news is not posting info yet.

 


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Edward on February 28, 2010, 10:35:34 PM
Is John on out list in Ambers case ??


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Tracygirl on February 28, 2010, 10:38:43 PM
Is John on out list in Ambers case ??

I would guess this is the one considering the other one is in Nor Cal and this guy is registered just up the 15. He is a big guy! Edward I have no seen him before. It said he was at his mothers home by the park so he visits the area.

http://www.meganslaw.ca.gov/cgi/prosoma.dll?searchby=offender&id=18601061E8554


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Live*Learn*Love on February 28, 2010, 10:39:01 PM
SAN DIEGO, Calif. (KABC) -- San Diego investigators arrested a suspect after finding evidence that linked him to a teen who went missing Thursday.

Police arrest 31-year-old John Gardner outside of a retail store Sunday at around 4 p.m.

Gardner is a registered sex offender from Lake Elsinore. In a press conference Sunday night, police would not divulge any details of what evidence they found that linked Gardner to the missing teen. They did say that homicide detectives were currently interviewing Gardner.

Seventeen-year-old high school student Chelsea King from Poway went for an after-school run around Lake Hodges Thursday and hasn't been seen since.

Her BMW was found in neighboring Rancho Bernardo Community Park

All weekend long, about 120 law enforcement officers and over 1,000 volunteers have been combing open areas using tracking dogs. Divers are also searching the lake.

The teen's mother is begging for her daughter's safe return.

"Anybody out there, if you know anything please just help us bring her home," said the teen's mother, Kelly King. "She's such a good girl, and she needs to come home."

King attends Poway High School and is a straight-A student. She's also a member of the San Diego Symphony.

Investigators are looking at several leads, including the assault of another woman in the same area in December.

They're also looking at King's cell phone that they found in her car, as well as her home computer for clues.
(Copyright ©2010 KABC-TV/DT. All Rights Reserved.)


http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?section=news/state&id=7303452


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Live*Learn*Love on February 28, 2010, 10:39:50 PM
that link above has an image if someone can bump it over here


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: MuffyBee on February 28, 2010, 10:42:46 PM
(http://cdn.abclocal.go.com/images/kabc/cms_exf_2007/news/state/7303474_448x252.jpg)


http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?section=news/state&id=7303452


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Edward on February 28, 2010, 10:45:34 PM
Thank you everyone.. 


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: klaasend on February 28, 2010, 10:46:17 PM
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/JohnGardner.jpg)


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Live*Learn*Love on February 28, 2010, 10:46:54 PM
InformationType: Information
Subject of Release: Arrest of Person of interest in Chelsea King case
Other Information:
Person Providing Information: PIO Jan Caldwell
Email Address of Provider: comm.center@sdsheriff.org
Telephone number of Provider: 858-565-5555
Fax number of Provider:
Date of Release: 02-28-2010
Time of Release: 7:40 pm
INFORMATION:
Date of Occurrence: 02-28-2010
Time of Occurrence: 4:20 pm
Location of Incident: Rancho Bernardo Community Park area

SYNOPSIS:
At approximately 4:20 P.M. this afternoon (February 28th), investigators with the Fugitive Task Force arrested 30 year-old
John Albert Gardner III. He was arrested in connection with the disappearance of 17 year-old Chelsea King.
During the course of this extensive investigation evidence was discovered that linked Gardner to Ms. King in such a
manner as to warrant his arrest.
At this time it would be in the best interest for the successful prosecution of Gardner that the evidence not be revealed in a
public forum.
Gardner was taken into custody outside of a business in the 19000 block of Lake Drive in Escondido, without incident. He
was taken to the Sheriff's Administrative Center in San Diego, where he is being questioned by Homicide investigators,
which is normal protocol in these types of cases. This investigation is ongoing, specific criminal charges against Gardner
are still being determined.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: mizjay on February 28, 2010, 10:46:58 PM
Wonder if they checked the data base when the woman was attacked before. She elbowed the guy in the nose, maybe bloody?


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: klaasend on February 28, 2010, 10:47:14 PM
They need to question him about Amber as well  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: darla on February 28, 2010, 10:47:21 PM

Last Name: GARDNER    First Name: JOHN    Middle Name: ALBERT
 



 
   
Description    Offenses    Scars/Marks/Tattoos    Known Aliases
Last Known Address:    33210 GILLETTE ST
LAKE ELSINORE, 92530
County:    RIVERSIDE
Zip Code    92530
Date of Birth:    04-09-1979
Sex:    MALE
Height:    6'2"
Weight:    230
Eye Color:    BROWN
Hair Color:    BROWN
Ethnicity:    WHITE

Offense Code    
Description
288(a)    LEWD OR LASCIVIOUS ACTS WITH CHILD UNDER 14 YEARS

    * None

    * None

THE REGISTRANT MAY HAVE SUBSEQUENTLY RELOCATED



Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Bearlyhere on February 28, 2010, 10:47:28 PM
Thank you for the updates Tracygirl and Live*Learn*Love.  Hopefully there will be more information soon. 

Thanks TG and L3!   ::MonkeyKiss:: 

Thanks, Muffy for bringing this to Natalee's thread!  You have eyes everywhere.  How many eyes does a bee have anyway?  Do you have the rest of the hive working on it?

 ::bee:: ::bee:: ::bee::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: klaasend on February 28, 2010, 10:48:45 PM
InformationType: Information
Subject of Release: Arrest of Person of interest in Chelsea King case
Other Information:
Person Providing Information: PIO Jan Caldwell
Email Address of Provider: comm.center@sdsheriff.org
Telephone number of Provider: 858-565-5555
Fax number of Provider:
Date of Release: 02-28-2010
Time of Release: 7:40 pm
INFORMATION:
Date of Occurrence: 02-28-2010
Time of Occurrence: 4:20 pm
Location of Incident: Rancho Bernardo Community Park area

SYNOPSIS:
At approximately 4:20 P.M. this afternoon (February 28th), investigators with the Fugitive Task Force arrested 30 year-old
John Albert Gardner III. He was arrested in connection with the disappearance of 17 year-old Chelsea King.
During the course of this extensive investigation evidence was discovered that linked Gardner to Ms. King in such a
manner as to warrant his arrest.
At this time it would be in the best interest for the successful prosecution of Gardner that the evidence not be revealed in a
public forum.
Gardner was taken into custody outside of a business in the 19000 block of Lake Drive in Escondido, without incident. He
was taken to the Sheriff's Administrative Center in San Diego, where he is being questioned by Homicide investigators,
which is normal protocol in these types of cases
. This investigation is ongoing, specific criminal charges against Gardner
are still being determined.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: cartfly on February 28, 2010, 10:51:03 PM
Oh God, I think I am going to throw up.!  ::MonkeyTears:: ::MonkeyTears::

I stepped away to get the kids ready for bed and now this.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Tracygirl on February 28, 2010, 10:52:32 PM
yes they do need to question him about amber!


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Edward on February 28, 2010, 10:52:48 PM
At this time it would be in the best interest for the successful prosecution of Gardner that the evidence not be revealed in a
public forum.


Who is he referring too ??  ::MonkeyGavel::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Live*Learn*Love on February 28, 2010, 10:53:26 PM
uthorities have arrested a 30-year-old registered sex offender in connection with the disappearance of missing Poway 17-year-old Chelsea King.

John Albert Gardner III, a Lake Elsinore resident, was arrested at 4:20 p.m. Sunday in front of a business in the 1900 block of Lake Drive, on the east side of Lake Hodges, Sheriff Bill Gore said at a Sunday evening news conference.

He said physical evidence found on the southern shore of the lake linked him to Chelsea's disappearance. He did not say what the evidence was.

Homicide investigators were questioning Gardner on Sunday evening, Gore said. It is not yet clear what charges he might face.

Gore said Gardner's Lake Elsinore residence had been searched Sunday. He also said the search for the missing girl would continue through the night near Lake Hodges, and possibly in other areas.

"We're holding out that hope," Gore said when questioned whether Chelsea is believed to be alive.

Since Thursday, when Chelsea disappeared, the Sheriff's Search and Rescue Unit's operation has focused on an approximately 4-square-mile area south of the lake. Divers have also searched the water.

The area contains a web of trails where Chelsea routinely runs 4 to 6 miles.

She hasn't been seen since Thursday afternoon when she left Poway High School and headed to the area for a run.

Her black BMW was found in the west end of the Rancho Bernardo Community Park's parking lot, off West Bernardo Drive, about 6 p.m. Thursday.

http://www.nctimes.com/news/local/sdcounty/article_2deb55c9-d35e-53e0-868c-a1cab480fb13.html


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Tracygirl on February 28, 2010, 10:54:26 PM
Oh God, I think I am going to throw up.!  ::MonkeyTears:: ::MonkeyTears::

I stepped away to get the kids ready for bed and now this.

I know I read homicide investigators and my heart sank.  Oh gosh I think this is not going to be a good ending.

Edit: fix typo.  MB


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Shell on February 28, 2010, 10:56:12 PM
At this time it would be in the best interest for the successful prosecution of Gardner that the evidence not be revealed in a
public forum.


Who is he referring too ??  ::MonkeyGavel::

Oh, not us,,,,, I am sure!  ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Tracygirl on February 28, 2010, 10:56:15 PM
Oh God, I think I am going to throw up.!  ::MonkeyTears:: ::MonkeyTears::

I stepped away to get the kids ready for bed and now this.

I know I read homicide investigators and my heart sank.  Oh gosh I think this is not going to be a good ending.
Edit: Fix typo. MB

Can a mod please take out the question mark, not sure why it is there.
Done.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Tracygirl on February 28, 2010, 10:57:14 PM
I wish we could find out where he works


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Live*Learn*Love on February 28, 2010, 10:57:28 PM
BLOCKED WEBSITE


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Edward on February 28, 2010, 10:57:40 PM
I called Carrie "Ambers mom" already.. and yes he needs to be looked at..
IF He had something belonging to Chelsea then his pattern may turn true and he holds something that belongs to Amber.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Bearlyhere on February 28, 2010, 10:59:31 PM
Oh God, I think I am going to throw up.!  ::MonkeyTears:: ::MonkeyTears::

I stepped away to get the kids ready for bed and now this.

The scariest part of it is, he looks like a normal guy, not one that would make you run like hell the other way.  His arms look big and could easily overpower Chelsea.  It is so very sad.

Until our streets are safe, it is not safe for our women to go out alone, or even in pairs, and that is horrendous.  It is not even safe for males to go out alone.  Every once in a while a feisty old woman gets the best of these deviants, but not often enough.

 ::MonkeyMad::




Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: mizjay on February 28, 2010, 11:01:07 PM
Oh God, I think I am going to throw up.!  ::MonkeyTears:: ::MonkeyTears::

I stepped away to get the kids ready for bed and now this.

I know I read homicide investigators and my heart sank.  Oh gosh I think this is not going to be a good ending.
Edit: Fix typo.  MB
I swear , no matter what happen whether she's found alive (praying) or not and this guy is the perp, I'm going to go ballistic! How many times, over and over and over do these low life SO's get sentenced, get released and re offend. Makes me sick.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: MuffyBee on February 28, 2010, 11:01:11 PM
I called Carrie "Ambers mom" already.. and yes he needs to be looked at..
IF He had something belonging to Chelsea then his pattern may turn true and he holds something that belongs to Amber.

I'm glad you called Carrie, Edward.    ::MonkeyCool::   Maybe it will lead to a break in Amber's case. 


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Tracygirl on February 28, 2010, 11:01:21 PM
I called Carrie "Ambers mom" already.. and yes he needs to be looked at..
IF He had something belonging to Chelsea then his pattern may turn true and he holds something that belongs to Amber.

Good glad you called her. I think they should have her question him, she would scare the guy into confessing everything he has ever done in his sorry life.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Shell on February 28, 2010, 11:02:22 PM

Curious as to what restaurant he was arrested. Maybe he hangs out in Escondido when he is down this way. Maybe connected to Amber. If so, how great to get one more menace to society off the street.

I wonder how long he served for his prior. Lots of questions.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Lovinlife on February 28, 2010, 11:03:20 PM
I called Carrie "Ambers mom" already.. and yes he needs to be looked at..
IF He had something belonging to Chelsea then his pattern may turn true and he holds something that belongs to Amber.
IIRC, his name's popped up a couple of times in Amber's case.  How far is Riverside from Escondido & Rancho Bernardo?  He was visiting his mother's home?


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: mizjay on February 28, 2010, 11:03:49 PM
Oh God, I think I am going to throw up.!  ::MonkeyTears:: ::MonkeyTears::

I stepped away to get the kids ready for bed and now this.

The scariest part of it is, he looks like a normal guy, not one that would make you run like hell the other way.  His arms look big and could easily overpower Chelsea.  It is so very sad.

Until our streets are safe, it is not safe for our women to go out alone, or even in pairs, and that is horrendous.  It is not even safe for males to go out alone.  Every once in a while a feisty old woman gets the best of these deviants, but not often enough.

 ::MonkeyMad::



  Is there a sign up sheet for the Feisty Old Women Brigade?  Got a can of whoopazz right here


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Tracygirl on February 28, 2010, 11:04:11 PM
Oh God, I think I am going to throw up.!  ::MonkeyTears:: ::MonkeyTears::

I stepped away to get the kids ready for bed and now this.

I know I read homicide investigators and my heart sank.  Oh gosh I think this is not going to be a good ending.
Edit: Fix typo.  MB
I swear , no matter what happen whether she's found alive (praying) or not and this guy is the perp, I'm going to go ballistic! How many times, over and over and over do these low life SO's get sentenced, get released and re offend. Makes me sick.


Oh but haven't you heard, they get better! Bunch of crock.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Edward on February 28, 2010, 11:05:10 PM
What did he do ? drop his wallet ?



I am very impressed with LE and ALL the volunteers and professional search teams..

Really good job.



Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Tracygirl on February 28, 2010, 11:06:45 PM
I called Carrie "Ambers mom" already.. and yes he needs to be looked at..
IF He had something belonging to Chelsea then his pattern may turn true and he holds something that belongs to Amber.
IIRC, his name's popped up a couple of times in Amber's case.  How far is Riverside from Escondido & Rancho Bernardo?  He was visiting his mother's home?

It is 40 miles from Lake Elsenor where he was registered to Escondido, right down the 15.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: mizjay on February 28, 2010, 11:07:23 PM
What did he do ? drop his wallet ?



I am very impressed with LE and ALL the volunteers and professional search teams..

Really good job.



 Any way to find out what type of vehicle he owns?


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Tracygirl on February 28, 2010, 11:09:04 PM
What did he do ? drop his wallet ?



I am very impressed with LE and ALL the volunteers and professional search teams..

Really good job.



 Any way to find out what type of vehicle he owns?

I wish that and what he does for a living.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: mizjay on February 28, 2010, 11:09:43 PM
Oh God, I think I am going to throw up.!  ::MonkeyTears:: ::MonkeyTears::

I stepped away to get the kids ready for bed and now this.

I know I read homicide investigators and my heart sank.  Oh gosh I think this is not going to be a good ending.
Edit: Fix typo.  MB
I swear , no matter what happen whether she's found alive (praying) or not and this guy is the perp, I'm going to go ballistic! How many times, over and over and over do these low life SO's get sentenced, get released and re offend. Makes me sick.


Oh but haven't you heard, they get better! Bunch of crock.

Yep! Crock .   They usually just get better, learn to not leave witnesses.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Live*Learn*Love on February 28, 2010, 11:10:08 PM
I called Carrie "Ambers mom" already.. and yes he needs to be looked at..
IF He had something belonging to Chelsea then his pattern may turn true and he holds something that belongs to Amber.
IIRC, his name's popped up a couple of times in Amber's case.  How far is Riverside from Escondido & Rancho Bernardo?  He was visiting his mother's home?


lake elsinore is the closest part of riverside county to san diego county... It is just before Temmecula and Murrieta... I would say not more that 20-30 mins up the 15 North from San diego


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Edward on February 28, 2010, 11:11:18 PM
In Time, we will know more about him.



Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: klaasend on February 28, 2010, 11:13:12 PM

Curious as to what restaurant he was arrested. Maybe he hangs out in Escondido when he is down this way. Maybe connected to Amber. If so, how great to get one more menace to society off the street.

I wonder how long he served for his prior. Lots of questions.

Shell - I was thinking he looks like he does construction work.  With construction to many homes like yours,  he could have been all over that area don't you think?

Even if he's working in a restaurant now, he still looks like a construction worker to me.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Shell on February 28, 2010, 11:14:05 PM

I bet he was arrested here>>>Hernandez' Hideaway Restaurant‎
it is in the 1900 block of Lake Dr. -Lake Hodges area


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Edward on February 28, 2010, 11:14:11 PM
IF They could put him in Escondido on February 13 ..say about 7:30 a.m. ..
It could help


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: MuffyBee on February 28, 2010, 11:14:11 PM
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=7233.msg1084903#msg1084903
<snip>
Gardner was taken into custody outside of a business in the 19000 block of Lake Drive in Escondido, without incident<snip>

I've seen the place he was taken into custody as a "retail store"
http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?section=news/state&id=7303452

and "outside a restaurant"
http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local-beat/Suspect-Arrested-in-Case-of-Missing-Teen-Chelsea-King--.html

The of arrest was "around 4:30".  I wonder if he was employed, if he got picked up after work?
http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local-beat/Suspect-Arrested-in-Case-of-Missing-Teen-Chelsea-King--.html


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Shell on February 28, 2010, 11:16:33 PM

I bet he was arrested here>>>Hernandez' Hideaway Restaurant‎
it is in the 1900 block of Lake Dr. -Lake Hodges area

19320 Lake Drive, Escondido, CA‎

Just guessing. I really can't think of any other restaurants there


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: MuffyBee on February 28, 2010, 11:18:08 PM
John Gardner looks like he's done body building or sports.  Played football?  See how thick his neck is, see his jaw line?  Wonder if he taken any performance enhancing drugs? Steroids?

(http://cdn.abclocal.go.com/images/kabc/cms_exf_2007/news/state/7303474_448x252.jpg)


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: klaasend on February 28, 2010, 11:18:39 PM
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/ElsinoreRanchoBernardo.jpg)


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Edward on February 28, 2010, 11:18:52 PM
http://maps.google.com/maps/place?sourceid=navclient&rlz=1T4TSHB_enUS311US311&um=1&ie=UTF-8&q=hernandez+hideaway+restaurant&fb=1&gl=us&hq=hernandez+hideaway+restaurant&hnear=United+States&cid=16526525316989197777

check it out..who is the guy in the photo..do not bring the photo here..lol


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Lovinlife on February 28, 2010, 11:18:57 PM
http://www.necn.com/02/28/10/Gardner-arrested-in-Chelsea-Kings-disapp/landing.html?blockID=188563&feedID=4215

Gardner arrested in Chelsea King's disappearance
NECN: San Diego, Calif.) - A registered sex offender was arrested Sunday afternoon in the disappearance of a missing suburban San Diego teenager.

San Diego County Sheriff William D. Gore delivered the update on the case Sunday night, though not the one Chelsea King's family was hoping for. 

John Albert Gardner, 30, was arrested at around 4:20 p.m. local time in connection with disappearance of Chelsea King, 17, of Poway.  Gardner is a registered sex offender in the state of California.  His past offenses, as listed on California's Megan Law registered sex offender Web Site, consist of lewd or lascivious acts with a child under 14 years of age.

Numerous pieces of physical evidence were gathered in the park where King went missing -- evidence investigators were led to believe are tied to Gardner.

"During the course of this extensive investigation, evidence was discovered that linked Gardner to Miss King in such a manner to warrant his arrest," Sheriff Gore said.  "Specific criminal charges against Gardner are still being determined."

Gardner was taken into custody outside a restaurant in Escondido -- a little over seven miles away from where King went missing -- without incident, according to Sheriff Gore.  He was transported to the Sheriff's Administrative Center in San Diego, where Gardner faced questioning Sunday night.

"I want to emphasize this investigation is not over.  Our primary goal in all of this is to find Chelsea King.  We are continuing those efforts -- there are several searches going on around the county," Sheriff Gore said.

When asked if he believed King was still alive, the sheriff offered an optimistic response.

"We're holding out that hope," the sheriff said, re-emphasizing that the ultimate goal in the investigation is the safe return of King.

King went for a run on Thursday and never returned.  Sheriff Gore said the physical evidence that investigators linked to Gardner was obtained in Rancho Bernardo Community Park, where King vanished.  Her abandoned car was found in the park.

Furthermore, Sheriff Gore said investigators believe Gardner may be tied to a December 27th assault in the same park.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: mizjay on February 28, 2010, 11:20:58 PM
I don't do FaceBook but can anyone who is a member see if he's listed? Maybe some info will be there. Thanks if anyone can.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Lovinlife on February 28, 2010, 11:21:47 PM
Thank you to all who have helped the geographically challenged and non-spanish speaking monkey. ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Shell on February 28, 2010, 11:23:11 PM

Curious as to what restaurant he was arrested. Maybe he hangs out in Escondido when he is down this way. Maybe connected to Amber. If so, how great to get one more menace to society off the street.

I wonder how long he served for his prior. Lots of questions.

Shell - I was thinking he looks like he does construction work.  With construction to many homes like yours,  he could have been all over that area don't you think?

Even if he's working in a restaurant now, he still looks like a construction worker to me.
Yes, and lots of construction going on in RB too.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: klaasend on February 28, 2010, 11:24:08 PM

I bet he was arrested here>>>Hernandez' Hideaway Restaurant‎
it is in the 1900 block of Lake Dr. -Lake Hodges area

19320 Lake Drive, Escondido, CA‎

Just guessing. I really can't think of any other restaurants there

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/ElsinoreEscondido.jpg)


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Tracygirl on February 28, 2010, 11:31:51 PM
John Gardner looks like he's done body building or sports.  Played football?  See how thick his neck is, see his jaw line?  Wonder if he taken any performance enhancing drugs? Steroids?

(http://cdn.abclocal.go.com/images/kabc/cms_exf_2007/news/state/7303474_448x252.jpg)

He is a big guy, 6'2" and 230, that is a person that can over take a 115 lb girl.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: mymonkey on February 28, 2010, 11:33:35 PM
John Gardner looks like he's done body building or sports.  Played football?  See how thick his neck is, see his jaw line?  Wonder if he taken any performance enhancing drugs? Steroids?

(http://cdn.abclocal.go.com/images/kabc/cms_exf_2007/news/state/7303474_448x252.jpg)

He is a big guy, 6'2" and 230, that is a person that can over take a 115 lb girl.

 ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad::

POS has a smirk on his face ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Shell on February 28, 2010, 11:33:38 PM
Wasn't he visiting his Mom, and she lives on the edge of the park? (Do not quote me on thet? lol.Some of the news was being posted on Twitter, and daughter was reading it out loud to me.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Edward on February 28, 2010, 11:34:45 PM
He could pick her up and run with her.




That resturant in escondido has terrible reviews .. bring ROLAIDS


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Lovinlife on February 28, 2010, 11:35:27 PM
Is any of this near 395?  I can't get that vacant house out of my mind...http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5361.msg1074475#msg1074475


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Tracygirl on February 28, 2010, 11:35:42 PM
Wasn't he visiting his Mom, and she lives on the edge of the park? (Do not quote me on thet? lol.Some of the news was being posted on Twitter, and daughter was reading it out loud to me.

That is what I read, his mom lives by the park


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Shell on February 28, 2010, 11:38:30 PM
He could pick her up and run with her.




That resturant in escondido has terrible reviews .. bring ROLAIDS


Some people think it is so special and they come from all over to eat there. I am not in the least bit fond of the place.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Tracygirl on February 28, 2010, 11:42:01 PM
Is any of this near 395?  I can't get that vacant house out of my mind...http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5361.msg1074475#msg1074475

The cell tower which is by the 395 right? it is about 8 or so miles from Lake Hodges, right off the 15 freeway as is the park.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: cartfly on February 28, 2010, 11:43:05 PM
I don't do FaceBook but can anyone who is a member see if he's listed? Maybe some info will be there. Thanks if anyone can.

I looked on facebook and had over 500 hits on the name. May be able to find if we knew what high school (can use that as a search filter) he may have gone to, but I am still looking. I am going to try myspace too. I dont myspace but have an account just for this reason.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: mymonkey on February 28, 2010, 11:44:32 PM
He could pick her up and run with her.




That resturant in escondido has terrible reviews .. bring ROLAIDS


Some people think it is so special and they come from all over to eat there. I am not in the least bit fond of the place.
o/t
Why would a restaurant name their business after a stomach acid med ?


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Lovinlife on February 28, 2010, 11:44:43 PM
Is any of this near 395?  I can't get that vacant house out of my mind...http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5361.msg1074475#msg1074475

The cell tower which is by the 395 right? it is about 8 or so miles from Lake Hodges, right off the 15 freeway as is the park.
Yes, that's it Tracygirl.  TY.  Good night everyone, it's late here.  I pray that when the sun comes up tomorrow we will have 2 girls home safely. ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Edward on February 28, 2010, 11:45:25 PM
both girls go missing near 15

his mom lives near the park.. if he works in escondido..where does he live ? in escondido ? or with his mom ? 


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Shell on February 28, 2010, 11:45:35 PM
His Moms last name is probably Gardener too, unless she remarried. So maybe he is from RB and went to HS there.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: cartfly on February 28, 2010, 11:46:00 PM
What did he do ? drop his wallet ?



I am very impressed with LE and ALL the volunteers and professional search teams..

Really good job.


LOL!! We can hope! ::MonkeyDance::

Thanks for the call to Amber's Mother. I hope there can be closure for Amber's family. The not knowing has got to be the worst...


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Edward on February 28, 2010, 11:47:07 PM
He could pick her up and run with her.




That resturant in escondido has terrible reviews .. bring ROLAIDS


Some people think it is so special and they come from all over to eat there. I am not in the least bit fond of the place.
o/t
Why would a restaurant name their business after a stomach acid med ?



 ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: mizjay on February 28, 2010, 11:48:26 PM
I don't do FaceBook but can anyone who is a member see if he's listed? Maybe some info will be there. Thanks if anyone can.

I looked on facebook and had over 500 hits on the name. May be able to find if we knew what high school (can use that as a search filter) he may have gone to, but I am still looking. I am going to try myspace too. I dont myspace but have an account just for this reason.
Try RanchoBernardo High or Poway or San Pasqual High


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: mymonkey on February 28, 2010, 11:53:05 PM
He could pick her up and run with her.




That resturant in escondido has terrible reviews .. bring ROLAIDS


Some people think it is so special and they come from all over to eat there. I am not in the least bit fond of the place.
o/t
Why would a restaurant name their business after a stomach acid med ?



 ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyJnBox:: ::MonkeyJnBox::

Silly me I read it wrong ::MonkeyHaHa:: I thought it read  being Rolaids.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: cartfly on February 28, 2010, 11:55:06 PM
Edward- In Amber's thread in July 2009, you posted sex offenders names in Escondido. This is a snip of your post, (I dont know how to transfer it over here) but notice the address is different than the one on his current meganslaw site for him.

<snip of Edward's post in July 09>

GARDNER,JOHN ALBERT
1050 ROCK SPRINGS RD # 113 ,Escondido,CA 92026


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Shell on February 28, 2010, 11:56:01 PM
both girls go missing near 15

his mom lives near the park.. if he works in escondido..where does he live ? in escondido ? or with his mom ? 

They said Lake Elsinore, but another thing I "heard" was that he lived with his Mom, another report is, he was visiting his Mom, who lives on the edge of the park.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: cartfly on February 28, 2010, 11:56:21 PM
link to Edward's post in 7/09

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4583.msg1041676 (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4583.msg1041676)


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: cartfly on February 28, 2010, 11:58:06 PM
I don't do FaceBook but can anyone who is a member see if he's listed? Maybe some info will be there. Thanks if anyone can.

I looked on facebook and had over 500 hits on the name. May be able to find if we knew what high school (can use that as a search filter) he may have gone to, but I am still looking. I am going to try myspace too. I dont myspace but have an account just for this reason.
Try RanchoBernardo High or Poway or San Pasqual High

Thanks for the info. I will check on those schools.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Tracygirl on February 28, 2010, 11:58:59 PM
Edward- In Amber's thread in July 2009, you posted sex offenders names in Escondido. This is a snip of your post, (I dont know how to transfer it over here) but notice the address is different than the one on his current meganslaw site for him.

<snip of Edward's post in July 09>

GARDNER,JOHN ALBERT
1050 ROCK SPRINGS RD # 113 ,Escondido,CA 92026


Wow that is right by Ambers high school. It is like 5 min


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Live*Learn*Love on February 28, 2010, 11:59:11 PM
http://stephww.wordpress.com/

BREAKING: ARREST IN THE CHELSEA KING CASE. IS SUSPECT WANTED IN AMBER DUBOIS CASE???
February 28, 2010 by Steph

30 year old John Albert Gardner, who lives in a home with his mother on the edge of the park that Chelsea King disappeared, has been arrested in connection with her disappearance.

Now, police are looking at Gardner in the disappearance of Amber Dubois, last seen February 13, 2009. She lives just across the lake in Escondido, CA. Apparently, Gardner has a home in Escondido.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Tracygirl on March 01, 2010, 12:01:39 AM
http://stephww.wordpress.com/

BREAKING: ARREST IN THE CHELSEA KING CASE. IS SUSPECT WANTED IN AMBER DUBOIS CASE???
February 28, 2010 by Steph

30 year old John Albert Gardner, who lives in a home with his mother on the edge of the park that Chelsea King disappeared, has been arrested in connection with her disappearance.

Now, police are looking at Gardner in the disappearance of Amber Dubois, last seen February 13, 2009. She lives just across the lake in Escondido, CA. Apparently, Gardner has a home in Escondido.


Oh my god! I am completely freaking out!


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Shell on March 01, 2010, 12:01:55 AM

parents live in Lake Hodges area


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: mizjay on March 01, 2010, 12:02:15 AM
I don't do FaceBook but can anyone who is a member see if he's listed? Maybe some info will be there. Thanks if anyone can.

I looked on facebook and had over 500 hits on the name. May be able to find if we knew what high school (can use that as a search filter) he may have gone to, but I am still looking. I am going to try myspace too. I dont myspace but have an account just for this reason.
Try RanchoBernardo High or Poway or San Pasqual High

May be a long shot, not sure exactly which area the mom's home is in and it's been yrs since he would have been in hs, they may have lived some where else at that time

Thanks for the info. I will check on those schools.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: MuffyBee on March 01, 2010, 12:05:12 AM
Edward- In Amber's thread in July 2009, you posted sex offenders names in Escondido. This is a snip of your post, (I dont know how to transfer it over here) but notice the address is different than the one on his current meganslaw site for him.

<snip of Edward's post in July 09>

GARDNER,JOHN ALBERT
1050 ROCK SPRINGS RD # 113 ,Escondido,CA 92026


Link to post: http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4583.msg862408#msg862408


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Shell on March 01, 2010, 12:05:58 AM

parents live in Lake Hodges area


they just did a report on it. He is listed in Lake Elsinore, but not clear where he actually lived. Parents live in area of Lake Hodges that is close to the park.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: cartfly on March 01, 2010, 12:12:56 AM

parents live in Lake Hodges area


they just did a report on it. He is listed in Lake Elsinore, but not clear where he actually lived. Parents live in area of Lake Hodges that is close to the park.

So is Lake Hodges a name of a city in Cali? I guess what I am asking if mom lives near the park, what city would that be considered? TIA ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: cartfly on March 01, 2010, 12:15:01 AM
Thanks MuffyBee for bringing the link over from Amber's thread.  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: MuffyBee on March 01, 2010, 12:16:29 AM
http://www.necn.com/02/28/10/Gardner-arrested-in-Chelsea-Kings-disapp/landing.html?blockID=188563&feedID=4215
<,SNIP>
Furthermore, Sheriff Gore said investigators believe Gardner may be tied to a December 27th assault in the same park.<SNIP>


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: MuffyBee on March 01, 2010, 12:17:31 AM
Thanks MuffyBee for bringing the link over from Amber's thread.  ::MonkeyAngel::

YW.  And thank you for bring the link over too.   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Tracygirl on March 01, 2010, 12:17:49 AM

parents live in Lake Hodges area


they just did a report on it. He is listed in Lake Elsinore, but not clear where he actually lived. Parents live in area of Lake Hodges that is close to the park.

So is Lake Hodges a name of a city in Cali? I guess what I am asking if mom lives near the park, what city would that be considered? TIA ::MonkeyWink::

I think Poway? Or maybe Escondido?


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: mizjay on March 01, 2010, 12:17:50 AM

parents live in Lake Hodges area


they just did a report on it. He is listed in Lake Elsinore, but not clear where he actually lived. Parents live in area of Lake Hodges that is close to the park.

So is Lake Hodges a name of a city in Cali? I guess what I am asking if mom lives near the park, what city would that be considered? TIA ::MonkeyWink::

Lake Hodges is not a city, it's sort of in the middle of Escondido and Ranch Bernardo


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: mizjay on March 01, 2010, 12:19:38 AM

parents live in Lake Hodges area


they just did a report on it. He is listed in Lake Elsinore, but not clear where he actually lived. Parents live in area of Lake Hodges that is close to the park.

So is Lake Hodges a name of a city in Cali? I guess what I am asking if mom lives near the park, what city would that be considered? TIA ::MonkeyWink::

Lake Hodges is not a city, it's sort of in the middle of Escondido and Ranch Bernardo
And I think there's a Poway side too


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Live*Learn*Love on March 01, 2010, 12:19:49 AM

parents live in Lake Hodges area


they just did a report on it. He is listed in Lake Elsinore, but not clear where he actually lived. Parents live in area of Lake Hodges that is close to the park.

So is Lake Hodges a name of a city in Cali? I guess what I am asking if mom lives near the park, what city would that be considered? TIA ::MonkeyWink::

Lake Hodges is not a city, it's sort of in the middle of Escondido and Ranch Bernardo


It is considered San Diego city. Everything south of escondido is a town in the city of san diego. If you look at the address of the R.B. community park, it is San diego.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: MuffyBee on March 01, 2010, 12:20:46 AM
Nice pic of Chelsea.

http://abcnews.go.com/WN/search-missing-girl-chelsea-king-draws-hundreds/story?id=9971804
(http://a.abcnews.com/images/US/ht_chelsea_king_3_100227_mn.jpg)
Chelsea King, 17, of Poway, Calif., disappeared Thursday while out for a run. She is seen here in a photo from Facebook in a group called "Help Find Chelsea King."
(Facebook)


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: mizjay on March 01, 2010, 12:23:06 AM

parents live in Lake Hodges area


they just did a report on it. He is listed in Lake Elsinore, but not clear where he actually lived. Parents live in area of Lake Hodges that is close to the park.

So is Lake Hodges a name of a city in Cali? I guess what I am asking if mom lives near the park, what city would that be considered? TIA ::MonkeyWink::

Lake Hodges is not a city, it's sort of in the middle of Escondido and Ranch Bernardo


It is considered San Diego city. Everything south of escondido is a town in the city of san diego. If you look at the address of the R.B. community park, it is San diego.

Thanks LLL ! I'm not  a native San Diegan, a transplant for a couple of years


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Live*Learn*Love on March 01, 2010, 12:25:03 AM
I found an address for the house his parents live in. It is close to lake hodges and is listed for a "john d" and "carolyn M" Gardner. I don't know if I can post the address here. Or if listing those names was okay. Mods please delete if it isn't!


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Live*Learn*Love on March 01, 2010, 12:26:36 AM
I found an address for the house his parents live in. It is close to lake hodges and is listed for a "john d" and "carolyn M" Gardner. I don't know if I can post the address here. Or if listing those names was okay. Mods please delete if it isn't!

I forgot to mention that John albert, the suspect, is listed a the third in his family, John Albert Gardner III, so I assume that John D would be his father


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: klaasend on March 01, 2010, 12:38:52 AM
I found an address for the house his parents live in. It is close to lake hodges and is listed for a "john d" and "carolyn M" Gardner. I don't know if I can post the address here. Or if listing those names was okay. Mods please delete if it isn't!

Go ahead and post the address WITHOUT the phone number.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Shell on March 01, 2010, 12:39:30 AM

parents live in Lake Hodges area


they just did a report on it. He is listed in Lake Elsinore, but not clear where he actually lived. Parents live in area of Lake Hodges that is close to the park.

So is Lake Hodges a name of a city in Cali? I guess what I am asking if mom lives near the park, what city would that be considered? TIA ::MonkeyWink::
Escondido


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Live*Learn*Love on March 01, 2010, 12:41:52 AM
I found an address for the house his parents live in. It is close to lake hodges and is listed for a "john d" and "carolyn M" Gardner. I don't know if I can post the address here. Or if listing those names was okay. Mods please delete if it isn't!

Go ahead and post the address WITHOUT the phone number.

John D Gardner & Carolyn M Gardner
7817 SANTALUZ Inlet
San Diego, CA 92127


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: klaasend on March 01, 2010, 12:43:40 AM
Video



Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Shell on March 01, 2010, 12:44:09 AM
I found an address for the house his parents live in. It is close to lake hodges and is listed for a "john d" and "carolyn M" Gardner. I don't know if I can post the address here. Or if listing those names was okay. Mods please delete if it isn't!

I forgot to mention that John albert, the suspect, is listed a the third in his family, John Albert Gardner III, so I assume that John D would be his father

Usually the III is not added unless the name is exactly the same as the father and grand father.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: klaasend on March 01, 2010, 12:44:56 AM
I found an address for the house his parents live in. It is close to lake hodges and is listed for a "john d" and "carolyn M" Gardner. I don't know if I can post the address here. Or if listing those names was okay. Mods please delete if it isn't!

Go ahead and post the address WITHOUT the phone number.

John D Gardner & Carolyn M Gardner
7817 SANTALUZ Inlet
San Diego, CA 92127

If he is a III wouldn't his father be John Albert Gardner Jr.?


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: klaasend on March 01, 2010, 12:45:14 AM
Shell  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: klaasend on March 01, 2010, 12:48:08 AM
http://www.sandiego6.com/news/local/story/Chelsea-King-missing-Poway-Rancho-Bernardo-jogging/zTLAKar0XUGyf78trbfHvg.cspx

(http://www.sandiego6.com/media/lib/38/0/c/5/0c580510-816a-454d-95a4-25e2016a902b/StoryImage.gif)


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Tracygirl on March 01, 2010, 12:51:52 AM
I found an address for the house his parents live in. It is close to lake hodges and is listed for a "john d" and "carolyn M" Gardner. I don't know if I can post the address here. Or if listing those names was okay. Mods please delete if it isn't!

I forgot to mention that John albert, the suspect, is listed a the third in his family, John Albert Gardner III, so I assume that John D would be his father

Usually the III is not added unless the name is exactly the same as the father and grand father.

Thats what I always thought. A Jr is named after a father, a II is named after the grandfather and a III etc is named after a father who is a jr.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Shell on March 01, 2010, 12:53:11 AM

Maybe if he was arrested in front of a store, it was the bait shop.

I want details.

A lot of people frequent the Lake Hodges area, not to mention the people who live there. It is a beautiful, scenic area. Very peaceful. We looked at houses there when we were in the market.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Live*Learn*Love on March 01, 2010, 12:53:35 AM
Opps. I thought it was just the same first name. Maybe that address should be deleted. There are also two other "gardners" in that area and might be close to Lake Hodges.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Shell on March 01, 2010, 12:57:48 AM
TG...I do not think there is a II. It goes Sr. , Jr. , then the III.
I could be wrong.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: cartfly on March 01, 2010, 12:58:58 AM
Video

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Did you hear the reporter at the end of the video saying something  to the effect about LE cars had just now sped off from the station behind him?? Perhaps, the POS told them where she is????


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Live*Learn*Love on March 01, 2010, 01:00:30 AM
Video

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Did you hear the reporter at the end of the video saying something  to the effect about LE cars had just now sped off from the station behind him?? Perhaps, the POS told them where she is????

thats what I was thinking too...


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: mizjay on March 01, 2010, 01:00:33 AM
TG...I do not think there is a II. It goes Sr. , Jr. , then the III.
I could be wrong.

Sr. & Jr. must be so ashamed, I hope


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Tracygirl on March 01, 2010, 01:00:48 AM
TG...I do not think there is a II. It goes Sr. , Jr. , then the III.
I could be wrong.

I only know this because my dad is a II, it is a boy who is named after his grandfather. It is rarily used though from what I understand.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Shell on March 01, 2010, 01:02:03 AM
Maybe his Mom remarried, and maybe if she lives on the RB side of Lake Hodges, her address might not be Escondido, but rather San Diego, since Ranch Bernardo is listed as San Diego.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Tracygirl on March 01, 2010, 01:02:23 AM
Video

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Did you hear the reporter at the end of the video saying something  to the effect about LE cars had just now sped off from the station behind him?? Perhaps, the POS told them where she is????

I hope so....


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Shell on March 01, 2010, 01:09:08 AM
TG...I do not think there is a II. It goes Sr. , Jr. , then the III.
I could be wrong.

I only know this because my dad is a II, it is a boy who is named after his grandfather. It is rarily used though from what I understand.

Ok, I didn't realize that. ; )


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Tracygirl on March 01, 2010, 01:12:11 AM
TG...I do not think there is a II. It goes Sr. , Jr. , then the III.
I could be wrong.

I only know this because my dad is a II, it is a boy who is named after his grandfather. It is rarily used though from what I understand.

Ok, I didn't realize that. ; )

lol it is just one of those stupid facts we learn...no big deal.
I am on the Le scanner, have you been on it tonight? That area is lively at night!


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Shell on March 01, 2010, 01:15:24 AM
Tracygirl, I listened last night and hearing all the things happening left me awake until the wee hours of the morning! I turned it off a while ago but am about to turn it on. That thing is addictive! Maybe I will just call it my new hobby  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Tracygirl on March 01, 2010, 01:27:04 AM
I want to know why the investigators left in a hurry, if it has anything to do with this case or the Amber case. I am on pins and needles.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: klaasend on March 01, 2010, 01:29:28 AM
I want to know why the investigators left in a hurry, if it has anything to do with this case or the Amber case. I am on pins and needles.

I keep checking the local websites and nothing new yet.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Live*Learn*Love on March 01, 2010, 01:32:10 AM
Lake Elsinore man held in search for Poway teen
Chelsea King still missing; registered sex offender being questioned in case

By J. Harry Jones, UNION-TRIBUNE STAFF WRITER

Originally published February 28, 2010 at 7:47 p.m., updated February 28, 2010 at 10:07 p.m.
San Diego County Sheriff Bill Gore makes announcement in Chelsea King case Sunday.

Sean M. Haffey / Union-Tribune

San Diego County Sheriff Bill Gore makes announcement in Chelsea King case Sunday.

Related story: Massive search continues for Poway girl

Photo gallery: Sunday's search for Chelsea King
San Diego County Sheriff Bill Gore makes announcement in Chelsea King case Sunday.

Poway High senior Chelsea King

photo

Department of Justice photo

In custody: John Albert Gardner III of Lake Elsinore
San Diego County Sheriff Bill Gore makes announcement in Chelsea King case Sunday.

Photo by Sean M. Haffey - Union-Tribune

Sheriff Gore told a press conference in Rancho Bernardo: “Our primary goal in all of this is to find Chelsea King.”
San Diego County Sheriff Bill Gore makes announcement in Chelsea King case Sunday.

- Union-Tribune / 2006 file photo

Gardner was arrested in front of this Del Dios restaurant on the west shore of Lake Hodges.

A registered sex offender was taken into custody and was being questioned by homicide detectives Sunday night in connection with the disappearance of Poway teenager Chelsea King, said San Diego County Sheriff Bill Gore.

John Albert Gardner III, 30, of Lake Elsinore, was arrested at 4:20 p.m. in front of a popular Mexican restaurant and bar called Hernandez Hide-A-Way in the tiny town of Del Dios on the west shore of Lake Hodges near Escondido.

Numerous pieces of physical evidence recovered led them to Gardner, Gore said. However, he would not elaborate, stating the investigation is ongoing and that authorities are still trying to find Chelsea.

The sheriff said the hunt for Chelsea, 17, will continue until she is found and is being expanded beyond Rancho Bernardo Community Park and the adjacent Lake Hodges, which search teams have been combing since the Poway High School senior disappeared Thursday.

“There are several searches going on around the county,” Gore said. “We are going to refocus some of our search efforts.”

Brent and Kelly King, Chelsea’s parents, reported their daughter missing at about 6 p.m. Thursday when she failed to come home from a run at the Rancho Bernardo park. Brent King found his daughter’s locked car in the parking lot at the park.

A multiagency missing-person search has continued round-the-clock since then.

“Our primary goal in all of this,” Gore said yesterday, “is to find Chelsea King.”

The sheriff also said there was “a strong possibility” Gardner may be connected to an attack on a lone female jogger in Rancho Bernardo Community Park that occurred the morning of Dec. 27.

He said investigators also were looking into the possibility of a connection between Gardner and Amber Dubois, who disappeared while walking to Escondido High School on the morning of Feb. 13, 2009. Amber was 14 at the time.

“We’re leaving no stone unturned,” he said.

Gardner is listed on the state’s Megan’s Law sex offender registry as having been convicted of committing a lewd or lascivious act upon a child under the age of 14. He was involved in a criminal case in San Diego Superior Court in 2000, but details were unavailable last night.

His home in Lake Elsinore was searched yesterday, Gore said. A neighbor said officers were especially interested in a shed behind the two-story house.

Less than two hours before Gardner’s arrest, Brent King sat down for his first in-depth interview since his daughter’s disappearance.

He said late Thursday that he came home from the gym about the same time his wife, Kelly, was returning from the grocery. It was about 5:30 p.m.

“My wife asked me if I had heard from Chels. I said, ‘No, I figured you had.’ Right then, we looked at each other and had a panic.”

Chelsea is the kind of daughter, her father said, who always checks in. If she was going to be late, she would let them know.

“We quickly called a few of her friends and asked if they had heard from Chelsea because we hadn’t,” King said. They hadn’t heard from her.

“We then had a mom share with us how to do the AT&T reverse autophone, which I’d never heard of before, and you can identify where a phone is based on the AT&T Web site.”

It showed a general geographical location.

“I started searching,” he said. While driving from his northern Poway home, Kelly called and told Brent she wanted to call 911 and he agreed.

“We just both knew something bad was happening,” he said.

Brent soon found Chelsea’s BMW parked behind the Rancho Bernardo Community Center just south of Lake Hodges. He looked inside and saw her belongings.

“I then looked behind me and I saw a running trail, and in the deepest part of my heart, I knew she was out there,” Brent said.

“So I took off down the trail. I ran down about a mile yelling out her name as long as I could, several times and in several directions. By this time it was already dusk and the Sheriff’s Department had already shown up. So I ran back,” he said.

Looking drawn and choking with emotion at times during the interview, Brent King said he would share every detail of his life, his daughter’s life and his family’s life “if it will help bring my daughter home. Please write up that I thank everybody. Thank everybody for their support and please ask them to keep bringing it until we have my daughter home.”

King works in the mortgage banking industry and said he is between jobs. His wife is a medical assistant for a dermatologist. They have one other child, a son in the eighth grade, who King was reticent to talk about given the situation.

Chelsea was born at Pomerado Hospital in Poway but the family moved away before she entered kindergarten. They lived in the Chicago area for 12 years before King was transferred back here in 2007 when Chelsea was in her freshman year. The family lives in a large home in a gated community in north Poway.

King said his wife is holding up through the terrible uncertainty.

“Kelly is a very, very, very strong Scottish/Irish girl,” he said. “She will do whatever it takes for her daughter.”

He said he wants the world to know his daughter.

“Since the moment that Chelsea graced us, she’s been a lightbulb, just a piece of energy,” he said. “When she comes into a room, you know she’s there. Whether it’s because she’s got this huge smile and she’s lighting it up or because she’s stumbling around and making somebody laugh.”

The straight-A, college-bound student who loves to play the French horn around the house has “an incredibly witty sense of humor,” King said. “She dreams such big dreams of not only seeing the world but healing the world.”

He doesn’t want to speculate about why his daughter is gone. Many have said she was always going out of her way to help others.

“I have tremendous amounts of worries,” he said. “I can’t categorize them. I don’t want to speculate but I could absolutely see my daughter going to someone’s aid. And if the roles were reversed she would be here (at the search center) leading the entire campaign.”

“You never want to be in the situation that my daughter is in and that my wife and I and son are in,” he said.

“But the amount of pain we’re going through is only offset by the amount of love that we feel over here,” he said, referring to a volunteer search center in Rancho Bernardo where thousands of volunteers have shown up to offer help.

He said he’s spoken recently with several parents of children who have gone missing, including Maurice Dubois and Carrie McGonigle, parents of Amber Dubois.

“It’s a terrible club to be in but thank God I’ve got people who have been where I am,” he said.

King said just hours before the arrest that he had a gut feeling.

“I’ve got an incredibly deep relationship with my daughter,” he said. “We share each other’s words. We have the exact same sense of humor, the exact same smiles.

“I know she’s still here. We just have to find her.”

Although he couldn’t share what police have told the family, King said, “What I can say is the effort is breathless, speechless, enormous. I can’t think of a resource they aren’t using across every department. The coordinated effort that is occurring, I’m witness to it. I’ve seen it.”


http://sandiego.about.com/b/2010/03/01/lake-elsinore-man-taken-into-custody-in-connection-with-chelsea-king-disappearance.htm


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Live*Learn*Love on March 01, 2010, 01:35:48 AM
 Suspect Arrested in Case of Missing Teen Chelsea King
By ARTIE OJEDA and MICHELLE WAYLAND
Updated 9:47 PM PST, Sun, Feb 28, 2010

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A registered sex offender has been arrested in the case of missing teen Chelsea King, but the search for the Poway High School student is not over, according to investigators.

John Albert Gardner, 30, from Lake Elsinore was arrested outside a restaurant in Escondido around 4.30 p.m., Sheriff Bill Gore said at a 7 p.m. news conference Sunday at Rancho Bernardo Community Park.

“There are several searches going on around the county,” Gore said. “We are going to refocus some of our search efforts.”

Gardner is a registered sex offender on the Megan’s law website.

Search for Chelsea King
Major Search Efforts for Missing Poway Teen

“During the course of this extensive investigation evidence was discovered that linked Gardner to Ms. King in such a manner as to warrant his arrest,” Gore said. “At this time it would be in the best interest for the successful prosecution of Gardner that the evidence not be revealed in a public forum.”

Gardner was taken into custody outside of Hernandez' Hideaway Restaurant on Lake Drive in Escondido, officials said.

There’s a strong possibility that the suspect is connected to a separate attack December 27 in the same area, Gore said. When a reporter asked him if he thought the suspect was connected to the disappearance of Amber Dubois, Gore replied, “We’re looking into that.”

"I think there is a good possibility that Gardner may be linked to Amber's disappearance,” Amber’s mother Carrie McGonigle said Sunday night. “I pray that he isn't because it would be the worst case scenario for my daughter. I am praying for Chelsea’s' family."

Gardner was taken to the Sheriff's Administrative Center in San Diego, where he was being questioned by Homicide investigators.

“This investigation is ongoing, specific criminal charges against Gardner are still being determined,” Gore said

The manager of Hernandez' Hideaway, who only wanted to be named as Jeanette, waited on the suspect just before he was arrested.

“He just had a meal and left, there was nothing out of the ordinary,” she said.

The manager had never seen the suspect in the restaurant before.

Chelsea’s parents released this statement Sunday night on their official Facebook page:

    "Nothing will change for us until our beautiful daughter, Chelsea King, comes home. We will continue searching for her, and we ask that all of you do the same until she’s back with us. She is an extraordinary daughter and also someone who is committed to her community. She has huge dreams and wants to change the world. Hundreds of people are working alongside us to make sure she has that chance, and we are deeply grateful. She and our entire family need your help now for Chelsea’s safe return. We thank law enforcement for pursuing all avenues to bring this situation to an expedient, positive outcome. We will be posting regular updates from our family on Facebook page: Chelsea King Search Center." Kelly & Brent King, and family.

Earlier, on Sunday afternoon, Chelsea's parents sat down for a one-on-one interview with NBC San Diego. There was no hiding the despair and pain of living without their missing daughter.

"I can't begin to describe the depth of sorrow. It's been a nightmare," said Kelly King. "There's no other way to put it. It's your worst nightmare."

"My body hasn't stopped shaking since I came to the realization of what was occurring," said Brent King. "You just feel a complete amount of emptiness and helplessness.

The King's last saw their daughter Wednesday. They say she performed in a school concert that night, and then woke up early Thursday morning to attend a peer counseling meeting at Poway High School at 6:15 a.m.

Chelsea King, 17, apparently went for a run immediately after school on Thursday. She never returned home. Her car was found at the Rancho Bernardo Glassman Community Park. Her cell phone, Ipod, and school clothes were found inside the car.

Her parents say she was not a risk taker and would not wander from the trails. They say she preferred to run alone, which they frowned upon.

"We would never allow her to run by herself. But she's a 17-year old girl," said Brent King. "If she chose to run by herself on that day, she didn't do it because her parents said go ahead and run by yourself."

"When you're that age, you feel invincible," said Kelly King. "Bad things aren't going to happen to you."

The Kings thanked the community for their outpouring of support.

""I would have never thought this was possible in terms and love and support and the dedication and the commitment from this community," said Kelly King. She now wears a pair of earrings that say 'Hope', given to her by a stranger.

The Kings call their daughter their shining light. Brent King recalled a text message he recently sent his daughter.

"I texted her and said 'I am just so proud of you, for the kind of person you are.'  She's what every parent wants. She's that kid. You don't worry about her grades, we worried that she studied too much. 'Please, just relax, go have some fun.' She didn't want to do that because she has goals. She has dreams. She wants to change the world. That's who she is," said Brent King.

Kelly King talked about the special mother daughter bond she shares with Chelsea.

"We got to the point when she got a little bit older, we could wear the same clothes. It became a source of contention for me," said Kelly King with a laugh. "Part of me thought, 'oh goodness, you've got my clothes on.' The other part of me thought, 'that's pretty cool, I can fit into your clothes.'"

Holding out hope Chelsea King could some how hear them, the Kings sent out a heartfelt message to their daughter.

"Baby girl, we love you. You're coming home. Be strong, be as strong as I know you are," said Kelly King. "Sweetie, we love you. We love you with all of our heart and we're waiting. We're here honey. We're gonna find you."

Source: Suspect Arrested in Case of Missing Teen Chelsea King | NBC San Diego

http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local-beat/Suspect-Arrested-in-Case-of-Missing-Teen-Chelsea-King--.html


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Live*Learn*Love on March 01, 2010, 01:37:13 AM
Does anyone else think it is strange her ipod was in her car? I have never been a long distance runner but if you have an ipod, don't you usually listen to it while running.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Tracygirl on March 01, 2010, 01:44:50 AM
Has anyone searched Google maps street view of the home in Lake Elsinore? The home they show has what kind of vehical? A white van, seriously a white van. I would post a pic but seem to still not be able to do that.

33210 GILLETTE ST, LAKE ELSINORE, 92530


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Tracygirl on March 01, 2010, 01:46:33 AM
Has anyone searched Google maps street view of the home in Lake Elsinore? The home they show has what kind of vehical? A white van, seriously a white van. I would post a pic but seem to still not be able to do that.

33210 GILLETTE ST, LAKE ELSINORE, 92530

oops I think that is the neighbors house, lol, sorry neighbor. I now see an address on the house next door, it has a red small car, no white van.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: klaasend on March 01, 2010, 01:51:38 AM
Has anyone searched Google maps street view of the home in Lake Elsinore? The home they show has what kind of vehical? A white van, seriously a white van. I would post a pic but seem to still not be able to do that.

33210 GILLETTE ST, LAKE ELSINORE, 92530

oops I think that is the neighbors house, lol, sorry neighbor. I now see an address on the house next door, it has a red small car, no white van.

I removed the picture since it's not the right house


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Tracygirl on March 01, 2010, 01:52:03 AM
sorry klaas I think 33210 is the house next door, the 2 story home.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: klaasend on March 01, 2010, 01:52:15 AM
Goodnight all!  Hope to wake up to good miraculous news in the morning!


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Tracygirl on March 01, 2010, 01:55:46 AM
Oh I have to wake up so early tomorrow. I am going to call it a night. Prayers Chelsea is found safe and sound. goodnight all


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Shell on March 01, 2010, 01:59:49 AM
Goodnight Ladies  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Shell on March 01, 2010, 02:02:58 AM
Does anyone else think it is strange her ipod was in her car? I have never been a long distance runner but if you have an ipod, don't you usually listen to it while running.

I think runners are advised to not listen to their ipod while running. They won't be able to hear traffic, or someone coming up behind them. I find it stranger that she left her phone in the car. Let's say she sprained and ankle or fell. I would think she would have her phone with her.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: mizjay on March 01, 2010, 02:08:07 AM
Does anyone else think it is strange her ipod was in her car? I have never been a long distance runner but if you have an ipod, don't you usually listen to it while running.

I think runners are advised to not listen to their ipod while running. They won't be able to hear traffic, or someone coming up behind them. I find it stranger that she left her phone in the car. Let's say she sprained and ankle or fell. I would think she would have her phone with her.
Maybe she was approached before she actually got to run. Don't know if we heard whether the car was found locked, but from the search areas guess we would assume she was on the trail.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Shell on March 01, 2010, 02:09:23 AM
I want to know why the investigators left in a hurry, if it has anything to do with this case or the Amber case. I am on pins and needles.
I wonder what they found in a search of his home, and the shed out back. Also, maybe they got a warrant to search his parents house.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: mizjay on March 01, 2010, 02:12:03 AM
And Shell, I think I am addicted to the scanner. I switched over to the rural one thinking maybe there might be activity further away, very busy..a fire, baby swallowd a quarter, SM is addicting enough, now I can do both at once ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Shell on March 01, 2010, 02:12:21 AM
Tiny town of Del Dios, well duh is me, it is off of Del Dios Hwy. I am not sure, but I do not think a very large area around that lake is considered the tiny town of Del Dios. 


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Shell on March 01, 2010, 02:16:17 AM
Does anyone else think it is strange her ipod was in her car? I have never been a long distance runner but if you have an ipod, don't you usually listen to it while running.

I think runners are advised to not listen to their ipod while running. They won't be able to hear traffic, or someone coming up behind them. I find it stranger that she left her phone in the car. Let's say she sprained and ankle or fell. I would think she would have her phone with her.
Maybe she was approached before she actually got to run. Don't know if we heard whether the car was found locked, but from the search areas guess we would assume she was on the trail.

That is what I was wondering. Did she get abducted as she was getting out of the car and never got to hit the trails for her run. That might be why they keep saying the search is continuing outside of the park area, other places in the county.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: mizjay on March 01, 2010, 02:17:19 AM
Does anyone else think it is strange her ipod was in her car? I have never been a long distance runner but if you have an ipod, don't you usually listen to it while running.

I think runners are advised to not listen to their ipod while running. They won't be able to hear traffic, or someone coming up behind them. I find it stranger that she left her phone in the car. Let's say she sprained and ankle or fell. I would think she would have her phone with her.
Maybe she was approached before she actually got to run. Don't know if we heard whether the car was found locked, but from the search areas guess we would assume she was on the trail.
I'll correct myself, the article said her LOCKED car was found....


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Shell on March 01, 2010, 02:19:13 AM
And Shell, I think I am addicted to the scanner. I switched over to the rural one thinking maybe there might be activity further away, very busy..a fire, baby swallowd a quarter, SM is addicting enough, now I can do both at once ::MonkeyEek::

Let's call it our hobby. We are so good at multitasking  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: mizjay on March 01, 2010, 02:20:54 AM
Does anyone else think it is strange her ipod was in her car? I have never been a long distance runner but if you have an ipod, don't you usually listen to it while running.

I think runners are advised to not listen to their ipod while running. They won't be able to hear traffic, or someone coming up behind them. I find it stranger that she left her phone in the car. Let's say she sprained and ankle or fell. I would think she would have her phone with her.
Maybe she was approached before she actually got to run. Don't know if we heard whether the car was found locked, but from the search areas guess we would assume she was on the trail.

That is what I was wondering. Did she get abducted as she was getting out of the car and never got to hit the trails for her run. That might be why they keep saying the search is continuing outside of the park area, other places in the county.
It sounds like he got around. A lot of 'comfort zones' for him, Escondido, Lake Elsinor, Rancho Bernardo. His RSO status apparently didn't inhibit him


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: mizjay on March 01, 2010, 02:23:01 AM
And Shell, I think I am addicted to the scanner. I switched over to the rural one thinking maybe there might be activity further away, very busy..a fire, baby swallowd a quarter, SM is addicting enough, now I can do both at once ::MonkeyEek::

Let's call it our hobby. We are so good at multitasking  ::MonkeyWink::
Hobby it is then!  Shhh.. let's not tell my daughter about the new hobby, she's liable to arrange an intervention


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Shell on March 01, 2010, 02:30:21 AM
And Shell, I think I am addicted to the scanner. I switched over to the rural one thinking maybe there might be activity further away, very busy..a fire, baby swallowd a quarter, SM is addicting enough, now I can do both at once ::MonkeyEek::

Let's call it our hobby. We are so good at multitasking  ::MonkeyWink::
Hobby it is then!  Shhh.. let's not tell my daughter about the new hobby, she's liable to arrange an intervention

  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: mizjay on March 01, 2010, 02:35:33 AM
And Shell, I think I am addicted to the scanner. I switched over to the rural one thinking maybe there might be activity further away, very busy..a fire, baby swallowd a quarter, SM is addicting enough, now I can do both at once ::MonkeyEek::

Let's call it our hobby. We are so good at multitasking  ::MonkeyWink::
Hobby it is then!  Shhh.. let's not tell my daughter about the new hobby, she's liable to arrange an intervention

  ::MonkeyHaHa::
OT OT  omg pit bulls have a couple pinned in their car with a baby! the dog won't let them out.   I do need to stop.  no more OT from me


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: cartfly on March 01, 2010, 02:41:17 AM
And Shell, I think I am addicted to the scanner. I switched over to the rural one thinking maybe there might be activity further away, very busy..a fire, baby swallowd a quarter, SM is addicting enough, now I can do both at once ::MonkeyEek::

Let's call it our hobby. We are so good at multitasking  ::MonkeyWink::
Hobby it is then!  Shhh.. let's not tell my daughter about the new hobby, she's liable to arrange an intervention

  ::MonkeyHaHa::
OT OT  omg pit bulls have a couple pinned in their car with a baby! the dog won't let them out.   I do need to stop.  no more OT from me
LOL!!! OT- You know what that reminds me of (addiction to scanners) is the movie "Theres something about Mary", where her older friend "Magda" would sit outside sunbathing with her scanner (I guess thats what it was) so she could snoop on her neighbors!!! If you haven't seen the movie before, it is worth renting. ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Shell on March 01, 2010, 02:43:23 AM

Arrested on suspicion of Murder and Rape.

www.sandiego6.com


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Shell on March 01, 2010, 02:45:29 AM

Arrested on suspicion of Murder and Rape.

www.sandiego6.com


underwear found near the lake contained dna that led the investigaters to Gardner


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Shell on March 01, 2010, 02:51:17 AM
www.sandiego6.com

SAN DIEGO -  A suspect was arrested Sunday on preliminary charges of suspicion of murder and rape in the disappearance of Poway teen Chelsea King.

The suspect, identified as registered sex offender John Albert Gardner, was arrested at a landmark restaurant and bar on the west side of Lake Hodges, Hernedez Hideaway (map C), on Lake Drive near Del Dios Highway at 4:30 p.m. according to the San Diego County Sheriff's Department.

The 30-year-old resident of Lake Elsinore in Riverside County is described as being 6'2" and 230 pounds.  He has a previous conviction for lewd or lascivious acts with a child under 14 years of age.

His mother lives in the Westwood development of San Diego near Rancho Bernardo Community Park and Lake Hodges.  It's believed he had been staying there for several days.

San Diego County Sheriff Bill Gore announced the break in the case at a Sunday night news conference.  He said physical evidence found on the south end of Lake Hodges lead investigators to Gardner.  Reports indicate underwear found near the lake contained DNA that lead investigators to Gardner.

Gardner's home has been searched and he is being questioned by investigators.

Gore said searchers will continue looking throughout the night for Chelsea.  When asked  if the 17-year-old Poway High student is still believed to be alive, Gore said, "we're holding out that hope."

Those comments were made before jail records revealed the preliminary murder and rape charges against Gardner.




Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: mizjay on March 01, 2010, 02:51:27 AM

Arrested on suspicion of Murder and Rape.

www.sandiego6.com


Oh no. My heart is broken for her family.  Poor Chelsea, that pos....


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Shell on March 01, 2010, 02:54:15 AM
www.sandiego6.com

Gore said Sunday night there "is a strong possibility" that the suspect may also be linked to a December attack on a jogger in a nearby neighborhood,

The woman was jogging on a neighborhood trail through the Westwood housing development in the 10400 block of Poblado Rd (map B).   She told San Diego police she was tackled by a man who demanded money.   She thought she may have broken his nose in the scuffle.  Gardner's mother lives in the same neighborhood.

The woman was able to escape from her attacker on December 27th.   The description she provided police was similiar to the description of Gardner.  The victim described her attacker as white, 25, 5'11" and 230 pounds with brown hair and brown eyes. 

The location where Chelsea King's car was found is in the neighboring park (map A).  The area where she is believed to have gone jogging is on the trails in the brushy area north of there.

Sheriff Gore said investigators are also looking into any possibility that Gardner could have played a role in the disappearance of 14-year-old Amber Dubois more than a year ago as she walked to Escondido High School.

Chelsea's family issued a statement at 9:00 Sunday night after the arrest:

”Nothing will change for us until our beautiful daughter, Chelsea King, comes home.  We will continue searching for her, and we ask that all of you do the same until she’s back with us. She is an extraordinary daughter and also someone who is committed to her community.   She has huge dreams and wants to change the world. Hundreds of people are working alongside us to make sure she has that chance, and we are deeply grateful.  She and our entire family need your help now for Chelsea’s safe return.   We thank law enforcement for pursuing all avenues to bring this situation to an expedient, positive outcome.  We will be posting regular updates from our family on Facebook page: Chelsea King Search Center.“ 

Kelly & Brent King, and family


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: cartfly on March 01, 2010, 02:54:18 AM

Arrested on suspicion of Murder and Rape.

www.sandiego6.com


underwear found near the lake contained dna that led the investigaters to Gardner
OMG Shell! Thanks for that updated link. I didn't know DNA test could be done so quickly on something. This is so sad, I can't stop thinking about the fear in Chelsea's mothers face. I am so heart broken for her family.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: mizjay on March 01, 2010, 02:54:20 AM
Just imagine, he has raped and killed this beautiful girl and yet is nonchalantly arrested while eating dinner out. How can he do that?


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Shell on March 01, 2010, 03:01:54 AM
Just imagine, he has raped and killed this beautiful girl and yet is nonchalantly arrested while eating dinner out. How can he do that?

Well, I hope that nasty Mexican food gave him a big case of the runs.  ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: mizjay on March 01, 2010, 03:04:55 AM
 Sure sounds like he may have been responsible for the other attack in the same neighborhood, nobody in his family didn't notice his bloody nose and have an inkling? My comment is not to blame his mother but to point out that we all need to be aware of  too many coincidences. When another attack and massive searches are going on in your own backyard again and your RSO child just happens to be around for this event also, doesn't raise a red flag?  We can't love our children while allowing or looking the other way while someone else's children are being murdered.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: mizjay on March 01, 2010, 03:06:04 AM
Just imagine, he has raped and killed this beautiful girl and yet is nonchalantly arrested while eating dinner out. How can he do that?

Well, I hope that nasty Mexican food gave him a big case of the runs.  ::MonkeyMad::
Amen to that and lots more.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Shell on March 01, 2010, 03:09:16 AM

About Westwood, with photos

http://rbpicture.com/westwood.shtml


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: mizjay on March 01, 2010, 03:19:43 AM

Arrested on suspicion of Murder and Rape.

www.sandiego6.com


underwear found near the lake contained dna that led the investigaters to Gardner
OMG Shell! Thanks for that updated link. I didn't know DNA test could be done so quickly on something. This is so sad, I can't stop thinking about the fear in Chelsea's mothers face. I am so heart broken for her family.
Yes, that was fast on the DNA. Amazing that it was found quickly and amazing that with the rain it was still able to lead them to him.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Shell on March 01, 2010, 03:37:37 AM
Miz, I can't get over how we are hearing names, addresses, and sometimes phone numbers on this scanner.  ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: mizjay on March 01, 2010, 03:42:53 AM
Miz, I can't get over how we are hearing names, addresses, and sometimes phone numbers on this scanner.  ::MonkeyShocked::
Yeah, everything you say to the dispatch plus your phone no. is relayed directly over the radio.
Hey, I was looking at a site  PE.com and oct.27 article about inland empire abductions, there's a composite and description that really comes close to John Gardner, wonder if he's a serial rapist ( I am totally inept at linking things)


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Live*Learn*Love on March 01, 2010, 04:03:39 AM
http://www.necn.com/02/28/10/Gardner-arrested-in-Chelsea-Kings-disapp/landing.html?blockID=188563&feedID=4215

This is a comment posted on the above link.
"Mt Woodson
I saw a guy who looks just like Garner hiking down Mt Woodson while I was hiking up today Sunday at 2:00PM. I am a Rock Climber. He was waring Brown Fatigue style pants. Maybe the search for Chelsea should extend to Mt Woodson."

Someone wrote on this facebook page
http://www.facebook.com/search/?q=chelsea+king&init=quick#!/group.php?v=wall&ref=search&gid=332906438909
"I am in RB too. This mans parents lived in the street over from mine
& they were over at that house searching & taking pictures
tonight but told every one outside (I wasn't out there but a friend
was) that Chelsea was not there & they were just taking pictures
for evidence. His charges ar...e rape & 1st degree murder. They found
her underwear with his DNA on them & when they arrested him, he was
caked in mud, up to his knees."


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: mizjay on March 01, 2010, 04:07:00 AM
Miz, I can't get over how we are hearing names, addresses, and sometimes phone numbers on this scanner.  ::MonkeyShocked::
Yeah, everything you say to the dispatch plus your phone no. is relayed directly over the radio.
Hey, I was looking at a site  PE.com and oct.27 article about inland empire abductions, there's a composite and description that really comes close to John Gardner, wonder if he's a serial rapist ( I am totally inept at linking things)

10/26/09 Police Urge Caution after Recent Abductions  Full story , the press enterprise (PE.com)  google search, Lake Elsinore abductions

Gotta go to bed, goodnight , prayers for Chelsea's family


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Bearlyhere on March 01, 2010, 04:52:49 AM


My heart breaks for this family.

How can anyone say he ate at the restaurant and everything was normal when he was covered in mud up to his knees?

 ::MonkeyNoNo::



Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: trimmonthelake on March 01, 2010, 06:04:20 AM
http://www.khabrein.info/news/Missing_Poway_girl__Arrest_made_in_missing_Chelsea_King_1267440776/
Missing Poway girl: Arrest made in missing Chelsea King
1 March, 2010

SAN DIEGO: Missing Poway girl: Arrest made in missing Chelsea King. The hunt for a pedophile has yielded positive results. With the help of some 1,400 volunteers, sleuths were able to arrest a registered sex offender for his involvement in the disappearance of a teenager in a suburban San Diego.

The whole weekend was spent to zero in on the man, who is being accused of abducting a girl.

After coming to know about the disappearance of 17-year-old Chelsea King, sleuths combed the area, including Rancho Bernardo Community Park in San Diego. The investigators quizzed locals and suspects to unravel the mystery. And at last they succeeded when with the help of some locals they were unable to lay their hands on evidence to pin down 30-year-old John Albert Gardner.

It has been learnt that the suspect lives in Riverside County. This has been confirmed by San Diego County Sheriff William Gore.

Currently, Gardner is being held by the cops who are questioning him. Efforts are being made to find out what prompted him to abduct the teenager.

Addressing reporters at a press conference, Gore said: "This investigation is ongoing and specific criminal charges are still being determined."

Besides, investigators also believe that Gardner might be involved in a December 27 assault. It was revealed that on this fateful day a female jogger was assaulted. Cops are investigating into the case


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: trimmonthelake on March 01, 2010, 06:07:51 AM
http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/62049
Registered Sex Offender Arrested in Disappearance of San Diego County Teenager
Monday, March 01, 2010
By Elliot Spagat, Associated Press

San Diego (AP) - A registered sex offender was arrested Sunday in the disappearance of a suburban San Diego teenager as some 1,400 volunteers spent the weekend searching a park and surrounding area where she disappeared three days ago, authorities said.
 
The arrest came after about 120 law enforcement officers and the volunteers had searched Rancho Bernardo Community Park in San Diego for 17-year-old Chelsea King.
 
Investigators found evidence that led to the arrest of 30-year-old John Albert Gardner of Riverside County, San Diego County Sheriff William Gore told the Associated Press in an interview.
 
Gore said investigators, who combed the area around Lake Hodges in the park where King's car was found, discovered physical evidence linking Gardner to the case. Gore would not elaborate on the nature of the evidence. He said authorities were holding out hope for her return.
 Gardner was taken into custody at a restaurant in Escondido shortly after 4 p.m. Sunday and was questioned Sunday night.
 
"This investigation is ongoing and specific criminal charges are still being determined," Gore said at a news conference Sunday.
 
Investigators also suspect Gardner could be tied to a Dec. 27 assault on a female jogger from Colorado Springs, Colo. in the park, a popular regional recreation area full of running trails, Gore said.
 
Gardner's residence in Lake Elsinore 75 miles north of San Diego was searched Sunday, Gore said.
 
He had to register as a sex offender because of a conviction for lewd or lascivious acts with a child under 14, the Megan's Law Web site said.
 
It was not immediately clear whether Gardner has hired an attorney.
 
King's parents continued pleas for her return and said the arrest offered them no relief.

"Nothing will change for us until our beautiful daughter, Chelsea King, comes home," Brent and Kelly King said in a statment released through a family spokeswoman Sunday night. "We will continue searching for her, and we ask that all of you do the same until she's back with us."
 
Gore said the search for King and for further evidence would continue throughout the night and expand beyond the park.
 
"There are several searches going on around the county," Gore said. "We are going to refocus some of our search efforts."
 
The volunteers also handed out flyers during the weekend effort.
 
"It's a reflection of who she is and what kind of person she is," Brent King said of the numbers showing up to help. "She's that kind of kid that everybody loves, and it shows."
 
Chelsea King's BMW was found in the park after she failed to return to her home in suburban Poway, Calif. on Thursday, sheriff's spokeswoman Jan Caldwell said.
 
Investigators also looked for clues on the teen's cell phone, which was found in her car, and on her home computer.
 
The search for Chelsea King, a straight-A senior at Poway High School, also took to the Internet, where a Facebook page generated more than 24,000 fans. A Web site was created at findchelsea.com.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: trimmonthelake on March 01, 2010, 07:10:40 AM
http://kdka.com/national/Chelsea.King.missing.2.1527723.html
 Mar 1, 2010 6:54 am US/Eastern
Sex Offender Held After Calif. Teen Disappears
Authorities and volunteers are widening a search for a 17-year-old missing in San Diego County after a registered sex offender was arrested in connection with her disappearance.

Some 1,400 volunteer searchers and more than 100 law enforcement officers failed to find Chelsea King on Sunday, but evidence was found that led to the arrest of 30-year-old John Albert Gardner of Lake Elsinore, Calif. some 75 miles to the north, San Diego County Sheriff William Gore told the Associated Press in an interview.

King disappeared on Thursday after going for a run near Lake Hodges at Rancho Bernardo Community Park in San Diego, a popular regional park full of running trails. Her car, with her cell phone and iPod inside, were found later that night.
Gore said investigators discovered physical evidence linking Gardner to the case. Gore would not elaborate on the nature of the evidence. He said they were holding out hope that she would be found.

Gardner was taken into custody at a restaurant in Escondido shortly after 4 p.m. Sunday and was being questioned Sunday night.

"This investigation is ongoing and specific criminal charges are still being determined," Gore said at a news conference.

Investigators also suspect Gardner could be tied to a Dec. 27 assault on a female jogger from Colorado Springs, Gore said.

Gardner's Riverside County residence was also searched Sunday, Gore said.

He was required to register as a sex offender because of a conviction for lewd or lascivious acts with a child under 14, the Megan's Law Web site said.

It was not immediately clear whether Gardner has hired an attorney.

King's parents continued pleas for her return and said the arrest offered them no relief.

"Nothing will change for us until our beautiful daughter, Chelsea King, comes home," Brent and Kelly King said in a statment released through a family spokeswoman Sunday night. "We will continue searching for her, and we ask that all of you do the same until she's back with us."
Gore said the search for King and for further evidence would continue throught the night and expand beyond the park.

"There are several searches going on around the county," Gore said. "We are going to refocus some of our search efforts."

Chelsea King's BMW was found in the park after she failed to return to her home in suburban Poway, Calif. on Thursday, sheriff's spokeswoman Jan Caldwell said.

The search for the straight-A senior at Poway High School also took to the Internet, where a Facebook page generated more than 24,000 fans. A Web site was created at findchelsea.com.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 01, 2010, 09:20:28 AM
Thank-you for all the updates, thank God this monster has been arrested. Now where is little Chelsea at?  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: trimmonthelake on March 01, 2010, 09:30:33 AM
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,587634,00.html
Arrest Made in Case of Missing California Girl

Monday, March 01, 2010
(http://www.foxnews.com/images/599987/8_64_022810_King8.jpg)
SAN DIEGO —  A registered sex offender was arrested Sunday in the disappearance of a suburban San Diego teenager as some 1,400 volunteers spent the weekend searching a park and surrounding area where she disappeared three days ago, authorities said.

The arrest came after about 120 law enforcement officers and the volunteers had searched Rancho Bernardo Community Park in San Diego for 17-year-old Chelsea King.

Investigators found evidence that led to the arrest of 30-year-old John Albert Gardner of Riverside County, San Diego County Sheriff William Gore told the Associated Press in an interview.

Gore said investigators, who combed the area around Lake Hodges in the park where King's car was found, discovered physical evidence linking Gardner to the case. Gore would not elaborate on the nature of the evidence.

Gardner was taken into custody outside a business in Escondido shortly after 4 p.m. Sunday and was questioned Sunday night.
This investigation is ongoing and specific criminal charges are still being determined," Gore said at a news conference Sunday.

Investigators also suspect Gardner could be tied to a Dec. 27 assault on a female jogger from Colorado Springs, Colo. in the park, a popular regional recreation area full of running trails, Gore said.

Gardner is from Lake Elsinore some 75 miles north of San Diego, according to the Megan's Law Web site. He had to register as a sex offender because of a conviction for lewd or lascivious acts with a child under 14, the site said.

It was not immediately clear whether Gardner has hired an attorney.

King's parents continued pleas for her return and said the arrest offered them no relief.

"Nothing will change for us until our beautiful daughter, Chelsea King, comes home," Brent and Kelly King said in a statment released through a family spokeswoman Sunday night. "We will continue searching for her, and we ask that all of you do the same until she's back with us."

Gore said the search for King and for further evidence would continue throught the night and expand beyond the park.

"There are several searches going on around the county," Gore said. "We are going to refocus some of our search efforts."

The volunteers also handed out flyers during the weekend effort.

"It's a reflection of who she is and what kind of person she is," Brent King said of the numbers showing up to help. "She's that kind of kid that everybody loves, and it shows."

Chelsea King's BMW was found in the park after she failed to return to her home in suburban Poway, Calif. on Thursday, sheriff's spokeswoman Jan Caldwell said.
Investigators also looked for clues on the teen's cell phone, which was found in her car, and on her home computer.

The search for Chelsea King, a straight-A senior at Poway High School, also took to the Internet, where a Facebook page generated more than 24,000 fans. A Web site was created at findchelsea.com.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 01, 2010, 09:33:47 AM
dggrmr I know this man he has watched my child, he was a good step father I lived in his apartment complex and he definitely wasn't linked to Amber Dubois. At least from what I know, he worked, he had a steady relationship and my sons godmother lived as a live in nanny with his fiance and saw him daily and nightly. 11:26 PM, 2.28.10

Source: Suspect Arrested in Case of Missing Teen Chelsea King | NBC San Diego
 Interesting comment from one of the articles  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 01, 2010, 09:36:41 AM
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Ok, I finally found it in print in a news source so I feel like it can be posted here definitively:

"Investigators were searching a home on Matinal Road near West Bernardo Drive late Sunday night, according to KGTV Channel 10. Public records link an address on that street to Gardner."

Sign on San Diego/Union-Tribune



The home is near Westwood Elementary, on a canyon area that connects through the canyon right over to Poblado RIGHT at the access point where all of the activity has been.

Meaning he can cut behind the home, on the trail from the school to Poblado between Moon Song and Smokesignal, just cross the street, and continue on the trail directly to the waterfall area I was showing in my photos earlier. Also, that access point on Poblado is where all the LEO and searchers were staging earlier. Plus, that's where the first attack happened.

In addition, he'd just have to go around the corner, make two quick turns, and could be right at the access point if he went by car.

I won't give the house address, but if you google map Westwood Elementary, 92127 and look at the canyon area arcoss the street you'll see what I mean.
(from a local at WS, so it appears he could have gone to that area without anyone really seeing him)


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: klaasend on March 01, 2010, 09:45:16 AM
http://www.sandiego6.com/news/local/story/Chelsea-King-missing-Poway-Rancho-Bernardo-jogging/zTLAKar0XUGyf78trbfHvg.cspx


Arrest Made in Chelsea King Disappearance; Suspect Charged with Murder & Rape
   Reported by: San Diego 6 News Team

Last Update: 2/28 11:35 pm

SAN DIEGO -  A suspect was arrested Sunday on preliminary charges of suspicion of murder and rape in the disappearance of Poway teen Chelsea King.

The suspect, identified as registered sex offender John Albert Gardner, was arrested at a landmark restaurant and bar on the west side of Lake Hodges, Hernedez Hideaway (map C), on Lake Drive near Del Dios Highway at 4:30 p.m. according to the San Diego County Sheriff's Department.

The 30-year-old resident of Lake Elsinore in Riverside County is described as being 6'2" and 230 pounds.  He has a previous conviction for lewd or lascivious acts with a child under 14 years of age.

His mother lives in the Westwood development of San Diego near Rancho Bernardo Community Park and Lake Hodges.  It's believed he had been staying there for several days.

San Diego County Sheriff Bill Gore announced the break in the case at a Sunday night news conference.  He said physical evidence found on the south end of Lake Hodges lead investigators to Gardner.  Reports indicate underwear found near the lake contained DNA that lead investigators to Gardner.

Gardner's home has been searched and he is being questioned by investigators.

Gore said searchers will continue looking throughout the night for Chelsea.  When asked  if the 17-year-old Poway High student is still believed to be alive, Gore said, "we're holding out that hope."

Those comments were made before jail records revealed the preliminary murder and rape charges against Gardner.

(snipped)



Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 01, 2010, 10:03:58 AM
I wonder if the statement about him being caked in mud is true, I wouldn't think you would go to town that way. Also, the dna found in Chelsea's underwear, that was very quick getting results back, and with all the rain, I would have thought that perhaps it would have been washed away.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Lovinlife on March 01, 2010, 11:00:09 AM
Lots of photos here AmandaReconwith if you want to grab them...

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/feb/28/lake-elsinore-man-arrested-poway-teens-disappearan/

Registered sex offender held in case of missing teen
Lake Elsinore man arrested; hunt for Chelsea King to expand

By J. Harry Jones, UNION-TRIBUNE STAFF WRITER

Originally published February 28, 2010 at 7:47 p.m., updated March 1, 2010 at 1:34 a.m

A registered sex offender was in jail Monday morning on suspicion of murder and rape in connection with the disappearance of Poway teenager Chelsea King, the Sheriff’s Department said.

John Albert Gardner III, 30, who listed his home address in Lake Elsinore, was arrested in front of a popular Mexican restaurant and bar called Hernandez Hide-A-Way in the tiny community of Del Dios on the west shore of Lake Hodges near Escondido at 4:20 p.m. Sunday, San Diego County Sheriff Bill Gore said Sunday night.

Numerous pieces of physical evidence led investigators to Gardner, Gore said. He would not elaborate, stating the investigation is ongoing and that authorities are still trying to find Chelsea, 17, who went to Rancho Bernardo Comunity Park for a run and never came home.

Her parents said the arrest would not stop them from continuing their search for Chelsea.

“Nothing will change for us until our beautiful daughter, Chelsea King, comes home,” said Kelly and Brent King in a statement Sunday night. “We will continue searching for her, and we ask that all of you do the same until she’s back with us.”

Gore said the hunt for the teenager will continue until she is found and is being expanded beyond Rancho Bernardo Community Park and the adjacent Lake Hodges, which search teams have been combing since the Poway High School senior disappeared Thursday.

Investigators were seen at a townhome on Matinal Road near West Bernardo Drive in San Diego early Monday morning that is about one mile south of the nearest entrance to the park were Chelsea went missing. Public records link an address on that street to Gardner.

San Diego police officers blocked off a section of the street in either direction from the townhome. Investigators could be seen walking to and from the residence.

“There are several searches going on around the county,” Gore said. “We are going to refocus some of our search efforts.”

Chelsea’s parents reported their daughter missing about 6 p.m. Thursday when she failed to come home from a run at the Rancho Bernardo park. Brent King found his daughter’s locked car in the parking lot at the park.

A multiagency missing-person search has continued round-the-clock since then.

“Our primary goal in all of this,” Gore said Sunday, “is to find Chelsea King.”

The sheriff also said there was “a strong possibility” Gardner may be connected to an attack on a lone female jogger in Rancho Bernardo Community Park the morning of Dec. 27.

He said investigators also were looking into the possibility of a connection between the cases of Gardner and Amber Dubois, who disappeared while walking to Escondido High School on Feb. 13, 2009. Amber was 14 at the time.

“We’re leaving no stone unturned,” Gore said.

Gardner is listed in the state’s Megan’s Law sex offender registry as having been convicted of committing a lewd or lascivious act upon a child younger than 14. He was involved in a criminal case in San Diego Superior Court in 2000, but details were not imediately available.

The address he listed as his home in Lake Elsinore was searched Sunday and a neighbor said officers were especially interested in a shed behind the two-story house.

The residence on Matinal Road is about 1,100 feet from Westwood Elementary School. Since the passage in November 2006 of Proposition 83, known as “Jessica’s Law,” registered sex offenders are prohibited from living within 2,000 feet of schools or parks. The law is currently being challenged in California’s courts.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

Gardner listed his home address in Lake Elsinore, according to the sex offender registry.

Less than two hours before Gardner’s arrest, Brent King sat down for his first in-depth interview since his daughter’s disappearance.

Brent King said he came home from the gym about 5:30 p.m. Thursday, about the same time his wife, Kelly, was returning from the grocery store.

“My wife asked me if I had heard from Chels. I said, ‘No, I figured you had.’ Right then, we looked at each other and had a panic,” Brent King said in an interview.

Chelsea is the kind of daughter who always checks in, her father said. If she was going to be late, she would let them know.

“We quickly called a few of her friends and asked if they had heard from Chelsea because we hadn’t,” Brent King said. The friends hadn’t heard from her.

“We then had a mom share with us how to do the AT&T reverse autophone, which I’d never heard of before, and you can identify where a phone is based on the AT&T Web site.”

The Web site showed a general geographical location.

“I started searching,” he said. While driving from his northern Poway home, his wife called and told Brent King she wanted to call 911 and he agreed.

“We just both knew something bad was happening,” he said.

Brent King soon found Chelsea’s BMW parked behind the Rancho Bernardo Community Center just south of Lake Hodges. He looked inside and saw her belongings.

“I then looked behind me and I saw a running trail, and in the deepest part of my heart, I knew she was out there,” the father said.

“So I took off down the trail. I ran down about a mile yelling out her name as long as I could, several times and in several directions. By this time it was already dusk and the Sheriff’s Department had already shown up. So I ran back,” he said.

Looking drawn and choking with emotion at times during the interview, Brent King said he would share every detail of his life, his daughter’s life and his family’s life “if it will help bring my daughter home. Please write up that I thank everybody. Thank everybody for their support and please ask them to keep bringing it until we have my daughter home.”

Brent King works in the mortgage banking industry and said he is between jobs. His wife is a medical assistant for a dermatologist. They have one other child, a son in the 8th grade, whom the father was reticent to talk about given the situation.

Chelsea was born at Pomerado Hospital in Poway but the family moved away before she entered kindergarten. They lived in the Chicago area for 12 years before he was transferred to San Diego County in 2007 when Chelsea was in her freshman year. The family lives in a large home in a gated community in north Poway.

Brent King said his wife is holding up through the terrible uncertainty.

“Kelly is a very, very, very strong Scottish/Irish girl. She will do whatever it takes for her daughter,” he said.

The father wants the world to know his daughter.

“Since the moment that Chelsea graced us, she’s been a light bulb, just a piece of energy,” he said. “When she comes into a room, you know she’s there. Whether it’s because she’s got this huge smile and she’s lighting it up or because she’s stumbling around and making somebody laugh.”

The straight-A, college-bound student who loves to play the French horn around the house has “an incredibly witty sense of humor,” Brent King said. “She dreams such big dreams of not only seeing the world but healing the world.”

Before learning of Gardner’s arrest, Brent King said he did not want to speculate about why his daughter is gone. Many have said she was always going out of her way to help others.

“I have tremendous amounts of worries,” he said. “I can’t categorize them. I don’t want to speculate but I could absolutely see my daughter going to someone’s aid. And if the roles were reversed, she would be here (at the search center) leading the entire campaign.”

“You never want to be in the situation that my daughter is in and that my wife and I and son are in,” the father said.

“But the amount of pain we’re going through is only offset by the amount of love that we feel over here,” he said, referring to a volunteer search center in Rancho Bernardo where thousands of volunteers have shown up to offer help.

Brent King said he’s spoken recently with several parents of children who have gone missing, including Maurice Dubois and Carrie McGonigle, parents of Amber Dubois.

Just hours before the arrest , the father said he had a gut feeling.

“I’ve got an incredibly deep relationship with my daughter,” he said. “We share each other’s words. We have the exact same sense of humor, the exact same smiles.”

“I know she’s still here. We just have to find her.”

Although he couldn’t share what police have told the family, Brent King said: “What I can say is the effort is breathless, speechless, enormous. I can’t think of a resource they aren’t using across every department. The coordinated effort that is occurring, I’m witness to it. I’ve seen it.”

(http://media.signonsandiego.com/img/photos/2010/02/28/chelseaking_t352.jpg?980751187beea6fc26a3a9e93795d379f58af1c4)



Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 01, 2010, 11:12:47 AM
The address he listed as his home in Lake Elsinore was searched Sunday and a neighbor said officers were especially interested in a shed behind the two-story house.

The residence on Matinal Road is about 1,100 feet from Westwood Elementary School. Since the passage in November 2006 of Proposition 83, known as “Jessica’s Law,” registered sex offenders are prohibited from living within 2,000 feet of schools or parks. The law is currently being challenged in California’s courts.    ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo:: No big surprise that Prop 83 is being challenged


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: mymonkey on March 01, 2010, 11:31:53 AM
Lots of photos here AmandaReconwith if you want to grab them...

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/feb/28/lake-elsinore-man-arrested-poway-teens-disappearan/

Registered sex offender held in case of missing teen
Lake Elsinore man arrested; hunt for Chelsea King to expand

By J. Harry Jones, UNION-TRIBUNE STAFF WRITER

Originally published February 28, 2010 at 7:47 p.m., updated March 1, 2010 at 1:34 a.m

A registered sex offender was in jail Monday morning on suspicion of murder and rape in connection with the disappearance of Poway teenager Chelsea King, the Sheriff’s Department said.

John Albert Gardner III, 30, who listed his home address in Lake Elsinore, was arrested in front of a popular Mexican restaurant and bar called Hernandez Hide-A-Way in the tiny community of Del Dios on the west shore of Lake Hodges near Escondido at 4:20 p.m. Sunday, San Diego County Sheriff Bill Gore said Sunday night.

Numerous pieces of physical evidence led investigators to Gardner, Gore said. He would not elaborate, stating the investigation is ongoing and that authorities are still trying to find Chelsea, 17, who went to Rancho Bernardo Comunity Park for a run and never came home.

Her parents said the arrest would not stop them from continuing their search for Chelsea.

“Nothing will change for us until our beautiful daughter, Chelsea King, comes home,” said Kelly and Brent King in a statement Sunday night. “We will continue searching for her, and we ask that all of you do the same until she’s back with us.”

Gore said the hunt for the teenager will continue until she is found and is being expanded beyond Rancho Bernardo Community Park and the adjacent Lake Hodges, which search teams have been combing since the Poway High School senior disappeared Thursday.

Investigators were seen at a townhome on Matinal Road near West Bernardo Drive in San Diego early Monday morning that is about one mile south of the nearest entrance to the park were Chelsea went missing. Public records link an address on that street to Gardner.

San Diego police officers blocked off a section of the street in either direction from the townhome. Investigators could be seen walking to and from the residence.

“There are several searches going on around the county,” Gore said. “We are going to refocus some of our search efforts.”

Chelsea’s parents reported their daughter missing about 6 p.m. Thursday when she failed to come home from a run at the Rancho Bernardo park. Brent King found his daughter’s locked car in the parking lot at the park.

A multiagency missing-person search has continued round-the-clock since then.

“Our primary goal in all of this,” Gore said Sunday, “is to find Chelsea King.”

The sheriff also said there was “a strong possibility” Gardner may be connected to an attack on a lone female jogger in Rancho Bernardo Community Park the morning of Dec. 27.

He said investigators also were looking into the possibility of a connection between the cases of Gardner and Amber Dubois, who disappeared while walking to Escondido High School on Feb. 13, 2009. Amber was 14 at the time.

“We’re leaving no stone unturned,” Gore said.

Gardner is listed in the state’s Megan’s Law sex offender registry as having been convicted of committing a lewd or lascivious act upon a child younger than 14. He was involved in a criminal case in San Diego Superior Court in 2000, but details were not imediately available.

The address he listed as his home in Lake Elsinore was searched Sunday and a neighbor said officers were especially interested in a shed behind the two-story house.

The residence on Matinal Road is about 1,100 feet from Westwood Elementary School. Since the passage in November 2006 of Proposition 83, known as “Jessica’s Law,” registered sex offenders are prohibited from living within 2,000 feet of schools or parks. The law is currently being challenged in California’s courts.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

Gardner listed his home address in Lake Elsinore, according to the sex offender registry.

Less than two hours before Gardner’s arrest, Brent King sat down for his first in-depth interview since his daughter’s disappearance.

Brent King said he came home from the gym about 5:30 p.m. Thursday, about the same time his wife, Kelly, was returning from the grocery store.

“My wife asked me if I had heard from Chels. I said, ‘No, I figured you had.’ Right then, we looked at each other and had a panic,” Brent King said in an interview.

Chelsea is the kind of daughter who always checks in, her father said. If she was going to be late, she would let them know.

“We quickly called a few of her friends and asked if they had heard from Chelsea because we hadn’t,” Brent King said. The friends hadn’t heard from her.

“We then had a mom share with us how to do the AT&T reverse autophone, which I’d never heard of before, and you can identify where a phone is based on the AT&T Web site.”

The Web site showed a general geographical location.

“I started searching,” he said. While driving from his northern Poway home, his wife called and told Brent King she wanted to call 911 and he agreed.

“We just both knew something bad was happening,” he said.

Brent King soon found Chelsea’s BMW parked behind the Rancho Bernardo Community Center just south of Lake Hodges. He looked inside and saw her belongings.

“I then looked behind me and I saw a running trail, and in the deepest part of my heart, I knew she was out there,” the father said.

“So I took off down the trail. I ran down about a mile yelling out her name as long as I could, several times and in several directions. By this time it was already dusk and the Sheriff’s Department had already shown up. So I ran back,” he said.

Looking drawn and choking with emotion at times during the interview, Brent King said he would share every detail of his life, his daughter’s life and his family’s life “if it will help bring my daughter home. Please write up that I thank everybody. Thank everybody for their support and please ask them to keep bringing it until we have my daughter home.”

Brent King works in the mortgage banking industry and said he is between jobs. His wife is a medical assistant for a dermatologist. They have one other child, a son in the 8th grade, whom the father was reticent to talk about given the situation.

Chelsea was born at Pomerado Hospital in Poway but the family moved away before she entered kindergarten. They lived in the Chicago area for 12 years before he was transferred to San Diego County in 2007 when Chelsea was in her freshman year. The family lives in a large home in a gated community in north Poway.

Brent King said his wife is holding up through the terrible uncertainty.

“Kelly is a very, very, very strong Scottish/Irish girl. She will do whatever it takes for her daughter,” he said.

The father wants the world to know his daughter.

“Since the moment that Chelsea graced us, she’s been a light bulb, just a piece of energy,” he said. “When she comes into a room, you know she’s there. Whether it’s because she’s got this huge smile and she’s lighting it up or because she’s stumbling around and making somebody laugh.”

The straight-A, college-bound student who loves to play the French horn around the house has “an incredibly witty sense of humor,” Brent King said. “She dreams such big dreams of not only seeing the world but healing the world.”

Before learning of Gardner’s arrest, Brent King said he did not want to speculate about why his daughter is gone. Many have said she was always going out of her way to help others.

“I have tremendous amounts of worries,” he said. “I can’t categorize them. I don’t want to speculate but I could absolutely see my daughter going to someone’s aid. And if the roles were reversed, she would be here (at the search center) leading the entire campaign.”

“You never want to be in the situation that my daughter is in and that my wife and I and son are in,” the father said.

“But the amount of pain we’re going through is only offset by the amount of love that we feel over here,” he said, referring to a volunteer search center in Rancho Bernardo where thousands of volunteers have shown up to offer help.

Brent King said he’s spoken recently with several parents of children who have gone missing, including Maurice Dubois and Carrie McGonigle, parents of Amber Dubois.

Just hours before the arrest , the father said he had a gut feeling.

“I’ve got an incredibly deep relationship with my daughter,” he said. “We share each other’s words. We have the exact same sense of humor, the exact same smiles.”

“I know she’s still here. We just have to find her.”

Although he couldn’t share what police have told the family, Brent King said: “What I can say is the effort is breathless, speechless, enormous. I can’t think of a resource they aren’t using across every department. The coordinated effort that is occurring, I’m witness to it. I’ve seen it.”

(http://media.signonsandiego.com/img/photos/2010/02/28/chelseaking_t352.jpg?980751187beea6fc26a3a9e93795d379f58af1c4)




I pray for her parents to keep their strength strong...they sound like wonderful people...my heart breaks for them.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Missiontoconvict on March 01, 2010, 12:09:14 PM
My heart breaks for this family.  When will things change so that these offenders are locked up and never let out?  You can't rehab them, they cannot be controlled, that is a fact, they continue to offend and kill.  This is so frustrating.  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 01, 2010, 12:11:11 PM
           

From Chelsea's parents to all who are (or may be planning to) search, help, etc. released moments ago:

To our Volunteers,
I wanted to post a message straight to those who have reached out to our family and thank you directly on this facebook page to help bring Chelsea home. We are grateful for all your support and how you are ALL doing your part to help the family. We need searchers now more than ever and hope to find Chelsea. Please assist us in the search to bring her home.Our sincere gratitude, Brent and Kelly King   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: trimmonthelake on March 01, 2010, 12:16:57 PM
KPBSnews

   1. Correction: Arraignment scheduled for Wednesday at 1:30 p.m., not today. 10 minutes ago via Seesmic
http://twitter.com/KPBSnews


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Tracygirl on March 01, 2010, 12:24:44 PM
Thank for posting all of the articles and updates. NRCG how on earth would that person know that he was not involved in Ambers abduction, because he was a good step dad according to her? I wonder if that kid would feel the same way.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 01, 2010, 12:28:25 PM
Thank for posting all of the articles and updates. NRCG how on earth would that person know that he was not involved in Ambers abduction, because he was a good step dad according to her? I wonder if that kid would feel the same way.

  I have no idea, scary if it is true that he is a step dad.  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: cartfly on March 01, 2010, 12:50:18 PM
I am extremely impressed with the outpouring of love displayed on the Facebook page set up to find Chelsea. It has 47,583 members/fans. Not sure if you can view it from this link without a facebook account, but it is a "public" facebook so it may be viewable for those interested.

http://www.facebook.com/search/?q=chelsea+king&init=quick#!/pages/HELP-FIND-CHELSEA-KING-MISSING-SAN-DIEGO-TEEN/331307387380?ref=search&sid=797714375.958826203..1 (http://www.facebook.com/search/?q=chelsea+king&init=quick#!/pages/HELP-FIND-CHELSEA-KING-MISSING-SAN-DIEGO-TEEN/331307387380?ref=search&sid=797714375.958826203..1)


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Tracygirl on March 01, 2010, 12:54:46 PM
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Ok, I finally found it in print in a news source so I feel like it can be posted here definitively:

"Investigators were searching a home on Matinal Road near West Bernardo Drive late Sunday night, according to KGTV Channel 10. Public records link an address on that street to Gardner."

Sign on San Diego/Union-Tribune



The home is near Westwood Elementary, on a canyon area that connects through the canyon right over to Poblado RIGHT at the access point where all of the activity has been.

Meaning he can cut behind the home, on the trail from the school to Poblado between Moon Song and Smokesignal, just cross the street, and continue on the trail directly to the waterfall area I was showing in my photos earlier. Also, that access point on Poblado is where all the LEO and searchers were staging earlier. Plus, that's where the first attack happened.

In addition, he'd just have to go around the corner, make two quick turns, and could be right at the access point if he went by car.

I won't give the house address, but if you google map Westwood Elementary, 92127 and look at the canyon area arcoss the street you'll see what I mean.
(from a local at WS, so it appears he could have gone to that area without anyone really seeing him)

I was looking at the arial view on Google maps and the street between Moon song and smoke signal drive, I can't see what the name is on my computer screen it is blurred a bit, it is a something like Monticook? Anyhow there is a little parking lot that is right next to a trail. He could have easily been waiting in a car. Where is the waterfall this poster is talking about?



Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 01, 2010, 01:01:21 PM
I don't know exactly where this waterfall is located at. One thing I'm confused with is he has hid Chelsea's body well, wonder why the sport's bra and underwear were found so easily? I'm of course glad they were, but it seems odd that he was careless with some items of clothing. Also wondered if there is searching going on along Ortega Highway, I realize that would be extremely difficult, just wondered.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: cartfly on March 01, 2010, 01:07:00 PM
GARDNER,JOHN ALBERT

1050 ROCK SPRINGS RD # 113
Escondido,CA 92026

33210 GILLETTE ST
LAKE ELSINORE, 92530

Anyone get a address on POS's Mom's home? I havent tried yet but would like to map them all on google maps.

I haven't found anything on him in facebook due to his name being sort of a common name. still looking though.

Note: The first address is from a post from EDWARD in Amber's thread back in 7/09
The 2nd address is from the Megans law site.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 01, 2010, 01:08:42 PM
 The falls are on the Piedras Pintadas trail, if that helps any.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 01, 2010, 01:12:11 PM

In the area near the waterfall down below Legends neighborhood (visible from the end of Smokesignal) there were several dozen search teams that seemed to be focusing on the trails there, the rocks and waterfall area carefully, and then the finger of the lake that is right there. This may help also, this was said by a local on WS that lives near there.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 01, 2010, 01:17:27 PM
GARDNER,JOHN ALBERT

1050 ROCK SPRINGS RD # 113
Escondido,CA 92026

33210 GILLETTE ST
LAKE ELSINORE, 92530

Anyone get a address on POS's Mom's home? I havent tried yet but would like to map them all on google maps.

I haven't found anything on him in facebook due to his name being sort of a common name. still looking though.

Note: The first address is from a post from EDWARD in Amber's thread back in 7/09
The 2nd address is from the Megans law site.

Not much help, but I found this.   Investigators were searching a home on Matinal Road near West Bernardo Drive late Sunday night.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Tracygirl on March 01, 2010, 01:38:50 PM
I am on google maps street view. I have gone up and down smoke signal, moonsong, poblado and little streets leading of them, I have to say, there doesn't seem to be easy access to the trails. I think the simplest thing to say is he used the same parking lot that Chelsea did. I would suppose if he walked he could jump a fence or a gardrail but it doesn't look like it would be the easist walk. I would think if a man was going to attack someone, he would not try to draw a lot of attention to himself. I bet he jogged in, jogged out and left, just like everyone else does. Plus, there doesn't seem to be anywhere anyone can park their car that wouldn't draw attention and I doubt he walked. So my guess for whatever it is worth is he parked in the same lot that Chelsea did.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Tracygirl on March 01, 2010, 01:47:42 PM
The falls are on the Piedras Pintadas trail, if that helps any.

http://sandiegobackroads.today.com/2008/08/19/piedras-pintadas-interpretative-trail/

Found this about, thought I would share


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Tracygirl on March 01, 2010, 01:51:33 PM
This site has alot of pics of the area. He could have put her anywhere. My goodness.

http://www.miriameaglemon.com/San%20Diego%20Bird%20Pages/Sites/Lake%20Hodges.htm


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 01, 2010, 02:07:19 PM
This site has alot of pics of the area. He could have put her anywhere. My goodness.

http://www.miriameaglemon.com/San%20Diego%20Bird%20Pages/Sites/Lake%20Hodges.htm
Beautiful area, you are right, she could be anywhere  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Tracygirl on March 01, 2010, 02:20:35 PM
ok so I am wrong, wrong, wrong. There is street access to the area off duenda, near where publado bends around from moonsong there it is right there and near to his parents home. It is in the area that zig zags after the footbridge that comes south from the parking lot. I bet he sees people jogging in and out of that access all of the time.
I have no idea what and if this means anything but I had to find it. Sorry for the multiple posts.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: trimmonthelake on March 01, 2010, 02:29:36 PM
Fox is covering it,showing rescue workers in the water.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: trimmonthelake on March 01, 2010, 02:30:45 PM
http://www.nybreakingnews.com/news/Search-continues-in-San-Diego-County-for-missing-Chelsea-King-1267470744/
Home » US

Search continues in San Diego County for missing Chelsea King

1 March, 2010

San Diego County :  Investigators in San Diego County continued their search Monday for a missing 17-year-old girl  Chelsea King after John Albert Gardner III was arrested in connection with her disappearance.

John Albert Gardner III, 30, a registered sex offender was arrested Sunday afternoon in Escondido after San Diego County investigators found evidence linking the disappearance of Chelsea King from the Lake Hodges area.Cheksea King disappeared Thursday after failing to return from an afternoon run near Lake Hodges.  Helicopters scoured the area and volunteers waded chest-deep in the murky water looking for signs of the Chelsea King.

Friends set up a Chelsea King Facebook page and Chelsea King website to help the search effort. The case is being handled by homicide investigators of San Diego County. Friends of Chelsea King has posted pictures of Chelsea King on facebook profile.

 


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Tracygirl on March 01, 2010, 02:37:07 PM
they are showing footage of the area from a helicopter or plain.

http://interactive.foxnews.com/livestream/live.html?chanId=4


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: trimmonthelake on March 01, 2010, 02:42:40 PM
Thanks Tracy.  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: sebastian on March 01, 2010, 02:42:56 PM
I am holding out hope that this sicko did not have anything to do with Amber's disappearance. Having said that, wasn't there an astrologer who said that Amber was in this same lake early on in her case?


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: sebastian on March 01, 2010, 02:48:51 PM
I did her chart about one week ago but wasn't sure where to post it. From what I saw, the witnesses who reported two men dumping a plastic sack of unknown contents in Lake Wohlford is the correct location of the victim. The chart showed she was initially taken in a residential tract and then displaced to the East in water. When I learned there was a Lake Wohlford due east of the abduction site, it all came together.
__________________
This is the quote. This particular forensic astrologer thought it was Lake Wohlford but Lake Wohlford is in Valley Center. Maybe she got the lakes confused? This is HORRIBLE! I am hoping she is wrong.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Northern Rose on March 01, 2010, 02:51:05 PM
http://www.cbs8.com/global/category.asp?c=155799&clipId=&topVideoCatNo=149659&topVideoCatNoB=155712&topVideoCatNoC=155713&topVideoCatNoD=155710&topVideoCatNoE=155711&clipId=4583805&flvUri=&partnerclipid=&topVideoCatNo=0&autoStart=true&activePane=info&LaunchPageAdTag=homepage&clipFormat=flv


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Northern Rose on March 01, 2010, 02:55:10 PM
Divers Search Lake in Teen's Disappearance

http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local-beat/Suspect-Arrested-in-Case-of-Missing-Teen-Chelsea-King--.html


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: mizjay on March 01, 2010, 03:00:59 PM
I did her chart about one week ago but wasn't sure where to post it. From what I saw, the witnesses who reported two men dumping a plastic sack of unknown contents in Lake Wohlford is the correct location of the victim. The chart showed she was initially taken in a residential tract and then displaced to the East in water. When I learned there was a Lake Wohlford due east of the abduction site, it all came together.
__________________
This is the quote. This particular forensic astrologer thought it was Lake Wohlford but Lake Wohlford is in Valley Center. Maybe she got the lakes confused? This is HORRIBLE! I am hoping she is wrong.
interesting, not sure about it all.. I think Lake Wohlford is near the location he was picked up by LE , ?? 


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Northern Rose on March 01, 2010, 03:08:54 PM
Suspect in King's disappearance molested 13-year-old girl in 2000
Gardner was sentenced to six years in prison.


RANCHO BERNARDO — The registered sex offender arrested in the disappearance of Poway teenager Chelsea King was convicted 10 years ago of forcibly molesting a 13-year-old neighbor girl.

John Albert Gardner III, now 30, pleaded guilty in May 2000 to two counts of forcible lewd act on a child and false imprisonment. He was sentenced in September of that year to six years in prison.

Court records show that a psychiatrist who interviewed Gardner said he showed no remorse for his actions. “There is no known treatment for an individual that sexually assaults girls and does not admit to it in any way,” said Dr. Matthew Carroll. “The fact that the defendant takes no responsibility whatsoever for his actions makes him an extremely poor candidate for any sexual offender treatment.”

Gardner, who listed his home address in Lake Elsinore on the Megan’s Law sex offender registry, was arrested at 4:20 p.m. Sunday in King’s disappearance in front of a Mexican restaurant and bar called Hernandez Hide-A-Way in the small community of Del Dios on the west shore of Lake Hodges near Escondido, San Diego County Sheriff Bill Gore said.

Numerous pieces of physical evidence led investigators to Gardner, Gore said. He would not elaborate, stating the investigation is ongoing and that authorities are still trying to find Chelsea, who went to Rancho Bernardo Community Park for a run and never came home.

An arraignment has been set for Wednesday in San Diego Superior Court.

The mood at Poway High School was somber Monday morning as students and staff reacted to news that Gardner had been arrested on suspicion of murder and rape in connection with the disappearance of King, a 17-year-old classmate.

“We’re still hoping for the best, but we’re fearing the worst,” said school counselor Traci Barker-Ball.

At the school, students and staff wore blue shirts to represent the color of Chelsea’s eyes and tied blue ribbons around light poles on campus.

Citing the “very difficult and emotional weekend,” principal Scott Fisher addressed students over the loudspeaker Monday morning, thanking the students for participating in the search efforts.

“I don’t know that I’ve ever been so proud of the school,” he said, his voice cracking at times with emotion. “Students have just been out there caring for one another, and that’s major during a difficult time.”

According to court records in Gardner’s previous conviction, Gardner saw the victim and a 14-year-old friend waiting for a school bus on March 16, 2000, and he offered them a ride. Both girls accepted the offer, but the younger girl also decided to go with Gardner to watch movies at his home.

Gardner started giving the 13-year-old a massage and kissing her as the two were watching “Patch Adams” alone in his townhouse. He then picked her up, placed her on the couch and began rubbing himself against her genital area.

The girl protested, but Gardner persisted, according to the documents.

He brought her upstairs to a bedroom where he got on top of her and continued rubbing and touching her. He also tried to take her pants and underwear off, despite her objections.

Eventually, Gardner said, “You know what, I can’t take this anymore,” and hit the girl repeatedly in the face.

“He had his hand on my mouth and I couldn’t breath(e), and I got pretty fuzzy after he hit me, and I’m not sure if I blacked out,” the girl testified during a preliminary hearing, which is usually the first opportunity prosecutors have to present witnesses in a criminal case.

Wearing only one shoe on and holding her pants up, she was eventually able to run out the door to a neighbor’s house across the street.

Gardner got into his vehicle and drove away. He was found at a nearby gas station and arrested. Gardner told police he had picked the girl up that morning and dropped her off in front of her apartment complex at 8:40 a.m. He claimed he was innocent and blamed the victim’s mother for the beating.

On Sunday, Sheriff Gore said there was “a strong possibility” Gardner may be connected to an attack on a lone female jogger in Rancho Bernardo Community Park the morning of Dec. 27.

He said investigators also were looking into the possibility of a connection between Gardner and Amber Dubois, who disappeared while walking to Escondido High School on Feb. 13, 2009. Amber was 14 at the time.

“We’re leaving no stone unturned,” Gore said.

Chelsea’s parents reported their daughter missing at about 6 p.m. Thursday when she failed to come home from a run at the Rancho Bernardo Community Park. Brent King found his daughter’s locked car in the parking lot at the park.

A missing-person search has continued round-the-clock since then.

At a two-story, tan-colored townhome on Matinal Road in the Westwood neighborhood of Rancho Bernardo Monday morning, extinguished police flares were the only clue that the place had been searched by police overnight.

The dwelling is close to Rancho Bernardo park. Neighbors said Gardner’s mother and stepfather have lived there for about a decade. They said Gardner showed up occasionally and would say hello to nearby residents as he came and went.

“I couldn’t sleep at all last night,” said Jimmy Ashker, who has lived across the street since 1988. He said he recognized Gardner right away when police showed him a photo of the suspect last night.

“I kept playing things over and over in my head. I was just wondering if there was one thing I overlooked that could have made a difference” and led to earlier intervention by law enforcement, Ashker said Monday morning.

Upon hearing a knock on the front door, a man inside the Gardner home said: “Can you get off the property, please?”

In Lake Elsinore, neighbors on Gillette Street — a hillside tract of blue-collar homes overlooking the lake — said Gardner sometimes visited a house owned by his grandmother. They didn’t see any signs of criminal activity there and were surprised by Sunday’s law-enforcement search of the property.

A neighbor said officers were especially interested in a shed behind the two-story house.

MORE...


http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/feb/28/lake-elsinore-man-arrested-poway-teens-disappearan/


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Tracygirl on March 01, 2010, 03:11:29 PM
Wish I could post pics....Looks like it is a bit north east of Escodondido. It would be on the right of the 15. Not sure where the restaurant is, I think it is to the left of the freeway to the left of Lake Hodges? Lake wahlford Looks like a small lake though.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: sebastian on March 01, 2010, 03:16:21 PM
You've got nanners Tracy


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: mizjay on March 01, 2010, 03:16:32 PM
I did her chart about one week ago but wasn't sure where to post it. From what I saw, the witnesses who reported two men dumping a plastic sack of unknown contents in Lake Wohlford is the correct location of the victim. The chart showed she was initially taken in a residential tract and then displaced to the East in water. When I learned there was a Lake Wohlford due east of the abduction site, it all came together.
__________________
This is the quote. This particular forensic astrologer thought it was Lake Wohlford but Lake Wohlford is in Valley Center. Maybe she got the lakes confused? This is HORRIBLE! I am hoping she is wrong.
interesting, not sure about it all.. I think Lake Wohlford is near the location he was picked up by LE , ?? 

Correction~   place where he was taken into custody not in close proximity to L W


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: AmandaReckonwith on March 01, 2010, 03:16:40 PM
Lake Wohlford is a lot smaller than Lake Hidges.
It is northeast of Escondido.

Thanks all for the pics and pic links.

This creep! Psychiastrist said he had no remorse. We know they cannot change.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Northern Rose on March 01, 2010, 03:16:40 PM
CHOPPER 8 LIVE STREAM: SEARCH FOR CHELSEA KING CONTINUES IN LAKE HODGES AREA

http://www.cbs8.com/global/video/flash/popupplayer.asp?vt1=l&d1=0&ClipId1=mms%3A//a719.l5912456718.c59124.n.lm.akamaistream.net/D/719/59124/v0001/reflector%3A56718&LiveURI=mms%3A//a719.l5912456718.c59124.n.lm.akamaistream.net/D/719/59124/v0001/reflector%3A56718&h1=CBS 8 Live&at1=News%20-%20Live%20Stream&LiveURITitle=CBS%208%20Live&LaunchPageAdTag=News - Live Stream&fvCatNo=undefined&secure=undefined&akPort=undefined&akProfile=undefined&rnd=63366654


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: sebastian on March 01, 2010, 03:18:20 PM
To get to Hernandez Hideaway, you can take two routes. You can either go down Valley Parkway which turns into Del Dios Hwy or you can take the 15 to Via Rancho Parkway and that too leads you to Hernandez Hideaway.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: sebastian on March 01, 2010, 03:22:46 PM
I hope that they are checking the lake area all around the little town of Del Dios. There are a lot of remote places in that area as well. It is strange that he chose to go to Del Dios to eat lunch. There are other restaurants that he could have picked off of the 15. Perhaps it is just a favorite or she is somewhere between the lake off of the 15 and the tiny town of Del Dios.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Live*Learn*Love on March 01, 2010, 03:22:50 PM
To get to Hernandez Hideaway, you can take two routes. You can either go down Valley Parkway which turns into Del Dios Hwy or you can take the 15 to Via Rancho Parkway and that too leads you to Hernandez Hideaway.

Mt woodson if off Via Rancho Parkway.. and a hiker claims to have seen him, or a guys resembling him, there.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 01, 2010, 03:23:40 PM
Thanks for the updates and the link to watch the searchers. No remorse, wow, and he was out and about roaming the streets  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: sebastian on March 01, 2010, 03:24:00 PM
Does anyone know if TES is still in the north San Diego area?


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Northern Rose on March 01, 2010, 03:25:11 PM
http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/video?id=7304585&rss=rss-kabc-video-7304585


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Tracygirl on March 01, 2010, 03:25:13 PM
Suspect in King's disappearance molested 13-year-old girl in 2000
Gardner was sentenced to six years in prison.


RANCHO BERNARDO — The registered sex offender arrested in the disappearance of Poway teenager Chelsea King was convicted 10 years ago of forcibly molesting a 13-year-old neighbor girl.

John Albert Gardner III, now 30, pleaded guilty in May 2000 to two counts of forcible lewd act on a child and false imprisonment. He was sentenced in September of that year to six years in prison.

Court records show that a psychiatrist who interviewed Gardner said he showed no remorse for his actions. “There is no known treatment for an individual that sexually assaults girls and does not admit to it in any way,” said Dr. Matthew Carroll. “The fact that the defendant takes no responsibility whatsoever for his actions makes him an extremely poor candidate for any sexual offender treatment.”

Gardner, who listed his home address in Lake Elsinore on the Megan’s Law sex offender registry, was arrested at 4:20 p.m. Sunday in King’s disappearance in front of a Mexican restaurant and bar called Hernandez Hide-A-Way in the small community of Del Dios on the west shore of Lake Hodges near Escondido, San Diego County Sheriff Bill Gore said.

Numerous pieces of physical evidence led investigators to Gardner, Gore said. He would not elaborate, stating the investigation is ongoing and that authorities are still trying to find Chelsea, who went to Rancho Bernardo Community Park for a run and never came home.

An arraignment has been set for Wednesday in San Diego Superior Court.

The mood at Poway High School was somber Monday morning as students and staff reacted to news that Gardner had been arrested on suspicion of murder and rape in connection with the disappearance of King, a 17-year-old classmate.

“We’re still hoping for the best, but we’re fearing the worst,” said school counselor Traci Barker-Ball.

At the school, students and staff wore blue shirts to represent the color of Chelsea’s eyes and tied blue ribbons around light poles on campus.

Citing the “very difficult and emotional weekend,” principal Scott Fisher addressed students over the loudspeaker Monday morning, thanking the students for participating in the search efforts.

“I don’t know that I’ve ever been so proud of the school,” he said, his voice cracking at times with emotion. “Students have just been out there caring for one another, and that’s major during a difficult time.”

According to court records in Gardner’s previous conviction, Gardner saw the victim and a 14-year-old friend waiting for a school bus on March 16, 2000, and he offered them a ride. Both girls accepted the offer, but the younger girl also decided to go with Gardner to watch movies at his home.

Gardner started giving the 13-year-old a massage and kissing her as the two were watching “Patch Adams” alone in his townhouse. He then picked her up, placed her on the couch and began rubbing himself against her genital area.

The girl protested, but Gardner persisted, according to the documents.

He brought her upstairs to a bedroom where he got on top of her and continued rubbing and touching her. He also tried to take her pants and underwear off, despite her objections.

Eventually, Gardner said, “You know what, I can’t take this anymore,” and hit the girl repeatedly in the face.

“He had his hand on my mouth and I couldn’t breath(e), and I got pretty fuzzy after he hit me, and I’m not sure if I blacked out,” the girl testified during a preliminary hearing, which is usually the first opportunity prosecutors have to present witnesses in a criminal case.

Wearing only one shoe on and holding her pants up, she was eventually able to run out the door to a neighbor’s house across the street.

Gardner got into his vehicle and drove away. He was found at a nearby gas station and arrested. Gardner told police he had picked the girl up that morning and dropped her off in front of her apartment complex at 8:40 a.m. He claimed he was innocent and blamed the victim’s mother for the beating.

On Sunday, Sheriff Gore said there was “a strong possibility” Gardner may be connected to an attack on a lone female jogger in Rancho Bernardo Community Park the morning of Dec. 27.

He said investigators also were looking into the possibility of a connection between Gardner and Amber Dubois, who disappeared while walking to Escondido High School on Feb. 13, 2009. Amber was 14 at the time.

“We’re leaving no stone unturned,” Gore said.

Chelsea’s parents reported their daughter missing at about 6 p.m. Thursday when she failed to come home from a run at the Rancho Bernardo Community Park. Brent King found his daughter’s locked car in the parking lot at the park.

A missing-person search has continued round-the-clock since then.

At a two-story, tan-colored townhome on Matinal Road in the Westwood neighborhood of Rancho Bernardo Monday morning, extinguished police flares were the only clue that the place had been searched by police overnight.

The dwelling is close to Rancho Bernardo park. Neighbors said Gardner’s mother and stepfather have lived there for about a decade. They said Gardner showed up occasionally and would say hello to nearby residents as he came and went.

“I couldn’t sleep at all last night,” said Jimmy Ashker, who has lived across the street since 1988. He said he recognized Gardner right away when police showed him a photo of the suspect last night.

“I kept playing things over and over in my head. I was just wondering if there was one thing I overlooked that could have made a difference” and led to earlier intervention by law enforcement, Ashker said Monday morning.

Upon hearing a knock on the front door, a man inside the Gardner home said: “Can you get off the property, please?”

In Lake Elsinore, neighbors on Gillette Street — a hillside tract of blue-collar homes overlooking the lake — said Gardner sometimes visited a house owned by his grandmother. They didn’t see any signs of criminal activity there and were surprised by Sunday’s law-enforcement search of the property.

A neighbor said officers were especially interested in a shed behind the two-story house.

MORE...


http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/feb/28/lake-elsinore-man-arrested-poway-teens-disappearan/

Picking up a teen on her way to school is his past MO. I don't think Amber would have simply gone with him, if she didn't know him, but he lived in that area at the time, did she know him or know of him? He may have changed his ways after the Amber since her case got a lot of attention in that area. that could explain why he targeted joggers rather then school children.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Northern Rose on March 01, 2010, 03:32:45 PM
Cops Believe Chelsea King Was Raped and Murdered
King Family Being Helped by Family of Amber DuBois Who Disappeared Last Year

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/TheLaw/chelsea-king-disappearance-suspect-linked-cases/story?id=9975272


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 01, 2010, 03:38:03 PM
He was sentenced to six years and served five.  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Northern Rose on March 01, 2010, 03:39:29 PM
More on the sex offender


http://www.cbs8.com/global/category.asp?c=155799&clipId=&topVideoCatNo=149659&topVideoCatNoB=155712&topVideoCatNoC=155713&topVideoCatNoD=155710&topVideoCatNoE=155711&clipId=4584081&flvUri=&partnerclipid=&topVideoCatNo=0&autoStart=true&activePane=info&LaunchPageAdTag=homepage&clipFormat=flv


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Tracygirl on March 01, 2010, 03:52:37 PM
NOrrose in that video interview with GMA the sheriff stated they are going back 18 months to see if he can connect with anyone else. Did you catch that? I am going to see who else has been missing since then.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 01, 2010, 04:01:00 PM
NOrrose in that video interview with GMA the sheriff stated they are going back 18 months to see if he can connect with anyone else. Did you catch that? I am going to see who else has been missing since then.
I'm just sickened by all this.  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: trimmonthelake on March 01, 2010, 04:06:44 PM
http://www.prweb.com/releases/Chelsea-King/John-Gardner/prweb3669844.htm
03/01/10
IntegraScan Denied the Ability to Speak to Detectives Regarding Chelsea King Abduction

IntegraScan.com has valuable information regarding the actual address of John Albert Gardner III, the suspect arrested for the disappearance of Chelsea King in San Diego County,California.

Brocton, NY (PRWEB) March 1, 2010 -- IntegraScan.com, a background check company, contacted the San Diego County Sheriff's Department this morning, March 1, 2010, regarding the Chelsea King and John Albert Gardner III case with valuable information on the current address of John Gardner III, but were denied the opportunity to provide this information to detectives working the case.

After hearing about Chelsea King's disappearance February 25th and the arrest of the sex offender, John Gardner III on Sunday (http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2010/02/man-arrested-in-san-diego-teens-disappearance-her-whereabouts-still-unknown.html), Integra Scan performed a search of their system for information on Gardner. The San Diego County Sheriff William Gore reported to the Associated Press that they arrested John Gardner III of Lake Elsinore, California. Lake Elsinore is located 75 miles north of where Chelsea King disappeared. However, the address the IntegraScan database has Gardner living at is in Escondido, California, a mere eight miles from the Rancho Bernardo Community Park where Chelsea King was jogging and disappeared.

When Integra Scan called the San Diego County Sheriff's Department to report Gardner's real address, they were denied the opportunity to speak with a detective by the operator. After questioning the operator about whether or not they were still searching for Chelsea King, the operator confirmed that they were, but that it was not possible to speak to a detective regarding the case. This press release is a plea to the Sheriff to please contact us. We will gladly provide you with the information we have.

In addition, Integra Scan has a full address history on Gardner dating back to 2000, as well as four photos, while the Office of the Attorney General only has one photo and the incorrect address for Gardner. The address history that Integra Scan has also shows that Gardner actually lived in Rancho Bernardo in 2000, which suggests that he is very familiar with the Rancho Bernardo Community Park and area.

The San Diego Sheriff's Department has stated that they have valuable evidence linking Gardner to the case, but we feel they are looking in the wrong location for Chelsea King. It is highly likely that additional evidence, and perhaps Chelsea King, could be located at this current address.

About IntegraScan.com: Information regarding John Albert Gardner III was provided by IntegraScan.com a background check and people locate company.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Tracygirl on March 01, 2010, 04:12:49 PM
There are 39 people listed on missingkids.com in the past 18 months who are between the ages of 12-20. Not all are from the Riverside/san diego area's though.  Here are the resent ones, seems like January was a busy month.

http://www.missingkids.com/missingkids/servlet/PubCaseSearchServlet?act=viewPoster&caseNum=1141587&orgPrefix=NCMC&searchLang=en_US

Endangered Runaway
  SIERRA DICK
DOB:  Jul 17, 1992
Missing:  Jan 18, 2010
Height:  5'6" (168 cm)
Eyes:  Green
Race:  White
 Age Now:  17
Sex:  Female
Weight:  120 lbs (54 kg)
Hair:  Blonde 
Missing From:
DESERT HOT SPRINGS
CA
United States 
Sierra was last seen on January 18, 2010. Her hair is dyed auburn. Sierra's nickname is Sierra Bella. She may be in need of medical attention.
 
 ANYONE HAVING INFORMATION SHOULD CONTACT
National Center for Missing & Exploited Children
1-800-843-5678 (1-800-THE-LOST)

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Desert Hot Springs Police Department (California) 1-760-329-6411

http://www.missingkids.com/missingkids/servlet/PubCaseSearchServlet?act=viewPoster&caseNum=1141462&orgPrefix=NCMC&searchLang=en_US

Endangered Runaway
  ARIEL GRANGER
DOB:  Oct 16, 1994
Missing:  Jan 15, 2010
Height:  5'2" (157 cm)
Eyes:  Blue
Race:  White
 Age Now:  15
Sex:  Female
Weight:  133 lbs (60 kg)
Hair:  Blonde 
Missing From:
MORENO VALLEY
CA
United States 
Ariel was last seen on January 15, 2010. She may travel to Riverside, California. Ariel's ears are pierced and she has a scar on her hand.
 
 ANYONE HAVING INFORMATION SHOULD CONTACT
National Center for Missing & Exploited Children
1-800-843-5678 (1-800-THE-LOST)

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Riverside County Sheriff's Office (California) 1-951-247-8700

http://www.missingkids.com/missingkids/servlet/PubCaseSearchServlet?act=viewPoster&caseNum=1140941&orgPrefix=NCMC&searchLang=en_US

Endangered Runaway
VICTORIA WOLVEN
  DOB:  Nov 22, 1992
Missing:  Jan 27, 2010
Age Now: 17
Sex:  Female
Race:  White
Hair:  Brown
Eyes:  Brown
Height:  5'6" (168 cm)
Weight:  120 lbs (54 kg)
Missing From:
SAN DIEGO
CA
United States
 
   
Both photos shown are of Victoria. She may still be in the local area or she may travel to Arizona. Victoria's nickname is Tori.
 ANYONE HAVING INFORMATION SHOULD CONTACT
National Center for Missing & Exploited Children
1-800-843-5678 (1-800-THE-LOST)

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Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Missiontoconvict on March 01, 2010, 04:13:57 PM
NOrrose in that video interview with GMA the sheriff stated they are going back 18 months to see if he can connect with anyone else. Did you catch that? I am going to see who else has been missing since then.
I'm just sickened by all this.  ::MonkeyNoNo::
I am too NoRose - there are to many instances, and it is because the light sentences given to these monsters - we must change things and soon - our children and grandchildren are at great risk.  I think about this and it frightens the heck out of me because I have a 23 year old daughter who is in college (not unlike many of us monkeys) she thinks I text her to much and don't have to worry - Pfffft we do have to worry - we have to worry big time!

Thank you to all of you for the updates.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Lovinlife on March 01, 2010, 04:18:36 PM
Too bad they don't sew GPS monitoring devices under their skin to track their every move.  I can't believe this guy's first offense (?) was when he was 20?  Wondering around free as a bird with no probation other than to register his address, which no one checks up on anyway?  Makes one wonder what he's been doing for the last 10yrs. 

Makes me sick too NRCG, thinking of you and your girls.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Edward on March 01, 2010, 04:22:30 PM
This why we do such research in these threads.. Amber's thread has lots of crimes committed recent and past  looking for a pattern of behavior that may be repeated.

Some things do not make it to the news ..
 
LE should have a complete list of crimes committed.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Shell on March 01, 2010, 04:22:45 PM

I am just getting here today so I do not know if this has been posted.

Here is a site where the points of interest are shown on a map and the article mentions where the Mom lives.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Shell on March 01, 2010, 04:23:17 PM

Oops, I forgot the link.

http://www.sandiego6.com/news/local/story/Chelsea-King-missing-Poway-Rancho-Bernardo-jogging/zTLAKar0XUGyf78trbfHvg.cspx


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Shell on March 01, 2010, 04:24:43 PM
Too bad they don't sew GPS monitoring devices under their skin to track their every move.  I can't believe this guy's first offense (?) was when he was 20?  Wondering around free as a bird with no probation other than to register his address, which no one checks up on anyway?  Makes one wonder what he's been doing for the last 10yrs. 

Makes me sick too NRCG, thinking of you and your girls.

His first offense at age 20, that we know of. I imagine there were prior victims.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Edward on March 01, 2010, 04:33:34 PM
It is so sad that women continue to do things like jog alone.
It is so sad that Americans living today can not see that we are under attack by illegal aliens who prey on out children and adults.

It is a sad time in history where Americans have lost there ability to think and stand up as well as fight back.

It is sad.



With all due respect,

I think it is more sad that women can't do something as simple as jog without running the risk of being attacked. Chelsea and all other women deserve the freedom that men enjoy. She did nothing wrong...it is society that is sick.

It is also important to not blame a group of people (illegal immigrants) for the heinous acts that are committed by every race. We have no idea who did this to Amber or Chelsea. The truth is child predators come in every size, shape, and color. I live in San Diego, so I do understand your concern about crime and illegal immigration. It is a problem, but I think we need to be careful not to use them as scapegoats. Our own citizens also do awful things. We need reform. I am tired of being a 23yr old girl and having to watch my back every second I go into public alone. It truly is sad Edward.

The rates of hispanic sex crimes committed in southern California is astronomical. I am not scapegoating.. It is a statistic. It is fact.
You are correct that society is sick.. crimes are committed by all kinds of people.

We had this guy on RADAR and LE was advised to look at all pedophiles in Escondido after Amber Dubois went missing. We provided a list of names and address to the family. It was posted in Amber's thread. This Gardner was on the list.
LE told the family of Amber they had all been checked out.
So therefore I was looking at statistic information for other possible culprits.

You are so correct though .. We are lucky that this police department went much further to solve a crime. In Amber's case, Amber was considered a run away and police are on video discounting any crime committed.

I know that in some small way Amber's situation heightened the efforts in this case.
I am so happy that Tim Miller was there too. You can not ask for a better search team.



Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: klaasend on March 01, 2010, 04:34:05 PM

Oops, I forgot the link.

http://www.sandiego6.com/news/local/story/Chelsea-King-missing-Poway-Rancho-Bernardo-jogging/zTLAKar0XUGyf78trbfHvg.cspx



Arrest Made in Chelsea King Disappearance; Suspect Charged with Murder & Rape
   Reported by: San Diego 6 News Team
Email: newstips@sandiego6.com

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub8/ChelseaKingSearch.jpg)

SAN DIEGO -  Formal charges are expected Wednesday against the suspect arrested Sunday in the disappearance of Poway teen Chelsea King.

The suspect, identified as registered sex offender John Albert Gardner III, was arrested on preliminary charges of murder and rape.  He was taken into custody at a landmark restaurant and bar on the west side of Lake Hodges, Hernedez Hideaway (map C), on Lake Drive near Del Dios Highway at 4:30 p.m. according to the San Diego County Sheriff's Department.

The search for Chelsea resumed Monday morning.   

Sheriff's spokeswoman Susan Plese says volunteers and searchers are looking for anything that could help find the missing girl.

Gardner remains jailed. San Diego County Sheriff William Gore says questioning has been unproductive.

Monday, dozens of searchers waded into the water to comb the shallow wetland areas of Lake Hodges while divers looked under the water.  Monday afternoon they were concentrating on the west end of the lake near the boat launch (map D).

Searchers comb through Lake Hodges. (Sky6)

The 30-year-old resident of Lake Elsinore in Riverside County is described as being 6'2" and 230 pounds.  He has a previous conviction for lewd or lascivious acts with a child under 14 years of age.

His mother lives in the Westwood development of San Diego near Rancho Bernardo Community Park and Lake Hodges.  It's believed he had been staying there for several days.  Investigators search the house on Matinal Road (map E) Sunday night.

San Diego County Sheriff Bill Gore announced the break in the case at a Sunday night news conference.  He said physical evidence found on the south end of Lake Hodges lead investigators to Gardner.  Reports indicate underwear belonging to Chelsea found near the lake contained DNA that lead investigators to Gardner.

Gardner's home has been searched and he is being questioned by investigators.

Gore said searchers will continue looking throughout the night for Chelsea.  When asked  if the 17-year-old Poway High student is still believed to be alive, Gore said, "we're holding out that hope."

Those comments were made before jail records revealed the preliminary murder and rape charges against Gardner.

Chelsea King

Gore said Sunday night there "is a strong possibility" that the suspect may also be linked to a December attack on a jogger in a nearby neighborhood,

The woman was jogging on a neighborhood trail through the Westwood housing development in the 10400 block of Poblado Rd (map B).   She told San Diego police she was tackled by a man who demanded money.   She thought she may have broken his nose in the scuffle.  Gardner's mother lives in the same neighborhood.

The woman was able to escape from her attacker on December 27th.   The description she provided police was similiar to the description of Gardner.  The victim described her attacker as white, 25, 5'11" and 230 pounds with brown hair and brown eyes.

The location where Chelsea King's car was found is in the neighboring park (map A).  The area where she is believed to have gone jogging is on the trails in the brushy area north of there.

Sheriff Gore said investigators are also looking into any possibility that Gardner could have played a role in the disappearance of 14-year-old Amber Dubois more than a year ago as she walked to Escondido High School.

Chelsea's family issued a statement at 9:00 Sunday night after the arrest:

”Nothing will change for us until our beautiful daughter, Chelsea King, comes home.  We will continue searching for her, and we ask that all of you do the same until she’s back with us. She is an extraordinary daughter and also someone who is committed to her community.   She has huge dreams and wants to change the world. Hundreds of people are working alongside us to make sure she has that chance, and we are deeply grateful.  She and our entire family need your help now for Chelsea’s safe return.   We thank law enforcement for pursuing all avenues to bring this situation to an expedient, positive outcome.  We will be posting regular updates from our family on Facebook page: Chelsea King Search Center.“

Kelly & Brent King, and family


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Tracygirl on March 01, 2010, 04:35:16 PM
In one of the previous articles posted....

In Lake Elsinore, neighbors on Gillette Street — a hillside tract of blue-collar homes overlooking the lake — said Gardner sometimes visited a house owned by his grandmother. They didn’t see any signs of criminal activity there and were surprised by Sunday’s law-enforcement search of the property.

yea that's not good. He had to have changed it sometime after 7/09 given Edward posted his in and it said he was in escondido. 


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 01, 2010, 04:37:02 PM
Too bad they don't sew GPS monitoring devices under their skin to track their every move.  I can't believe this guy's first offense (?) was when he was 20?  Wondering around free as a bird with no probation other than to register his address, which no one checks up on anyway?  Makes one wonder what he's been doing for the last 10yrs. 

Makes me sick too NRCG, thinking of you and your girls.
And I'm just sickened about Jessica's Law in this state that we voted in, and now it is in the courts. Let me guess, unfair to the SO I'm guessing  ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo:: And now with the article that Trimm just posted about IntegraScan and them having a different address, is there no checking on these offenders at all?


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Shell on March 01, 2010, 04:39:38 PM
In one of the previous articles posted....

In Lake Elsinore, neighbors on Gillette Street — a hillside tract of blue-collar homes overlooking the lake — said Gardner sometimes visited a house owned by his grandmother. They didn’t see any signs of criminal activity there and were surprised by Sunday’s law-enforcement search of the property.

yea that's not good. He had to have changed it sometime after 7/09 given Edward posted his in and it said he was in escondido. 

So he lists his residence as his Grandmothers house but he actually lived in an apartment in Escondido? Or he listed it as Escondido but had access to G'mas house. It says he visited a houseownded by the G'ma, but did she live there?


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Edward on March 01, 2010, 04:40:15 PM
They could not do DNA that quick..



Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Shell on March 01, 2010, 04:41:40 PM
Too bad they don't sew GPS monitoring devices under their skin to track their every move.  I can't believe this guy's first offense (?) was when he was 20?  Wondering around free as a bird with no probation other than to register his address, which no one checks up on anyway?  Makes one wonder what he's been doing for the last 10yrs. 

Makes me sick too NRCG, thinking of you and your girls.
And I'm just sickened about Jessica's Law in this state that we voted in, and now it is in the courts. Let me guess, unfair to the SO I'm guessing  ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo:: And now with the article that Trimm just posted about IntegraScan and them having a different address, is there no checking on these offenders at all?

I say they need a tracking device implanted in their "you know what" to track them.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Edward on March 01, 2010, 04:44:05 PM
It should shock them with every wood item produced.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Tracygirl on March 01, 2010, 04:44:18 PM
It is so sad that women continue to do things like jog alone.
It is so sad that Americans living today can not see that we are under attack by illegal aliens who prey on out children and adults.

It is a sad time in history where Americans have lost there ability to think and stand up as well as fight back.

It is sad.



With all due respect,

I think it is more sad that women can't do something as simple as jog without running the risk of being attacked. Chelsea and all other women deserve the freedom that men enjoy. She did nothing wrong...it is society that is sick.

It is also important to not blame a group of people (illegal immigrants) for the heinous acts that are committed by every race. We have no idea who did this to Amber or Chelsea. The truth is child predators come in every size, shape, and color. I live in San Diego, so I do understand your concern about crime and illegal immigration. It is a problem, but I think we need to be careful not to use them as scapegoats. Our own citizens also do awful things. We need reform. I am tired of being a 23yr old girl and having to watch my back every second I go into public alone. It truly is sad Edward.

The rates of hispanic sex crimes committed in southern California is astronomical. I am not scapegoating.. It is a statistic. It is fact.
You are correct that society is sick.. crimes are committed by all kinds of people.

We had this guy on RADAR and LE was advised to look at all pedophiles in Escondido after Amber Dubois went missing. We provided a list of names and address to the family. It was posted in Amber's thread. This Gardner was on the list.
LE told the family of Amber they had all been checked out.
So therefore I was looking at statistic information for other possible culprits.

You are so correct though .. We are lucky that this police department went much further to solve a crime. In Amber's case, Amber was considered a run away and police are on video discounting any crime committed.

I know that in some small way Amber's situation heightened the efforts in this case.
I am so happy that Tim Miller was there too. You can not ask for a better search team.


Edward Escondido LE faced the same scenario with Amber as this Sheriffs department faced with Chelsea..Both girls were not the runaway type, no history of problems or wild boyfriends. Both girls got good grades in school and were model students. Both were doing something routine for them, an everyday thing...Escondido PD was too quick to jump on the runaway band wagon. I am just sick about this, just sick. I am so glad the effort is being made to find Chelsea and I pray that she is found, please do not take this wrong, but what about Amber? Why was this effort not made when she went missing and what is Escondido PD an the FBI doing now to find out if Amber too fell victim to this freak?


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Shell on March 01, 2010, 04:47:29 PM

My daughter and her friends walk, jog in the same area. It could have been them had they not always gone together. She said, there are so many areas off the path where anything could happen and nobody would see a thing. She is understandably upset, thinking it could have been one of her friends who lives in that area. People come from all around the county to use that trail.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Tracygirl on March 01, 2010, 04:48:50 PM
They could not do DNA that quick..




That is what I would think but maybe there is some new devise? The FBI is working this case? Maybe it was a finger print and not DNA?


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Shell on March 01, 2010, 04:51:28 PM

I guess if you are going to go missing, you better go missing in San Diego jurisdiction rather than Escondido.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::



Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Shell on March 01, 2010, 04:55:18 PM
They could not do DNA that quick..




That is what I would think but maybe there is some new devise? The FBI is working this case? Maybe it was a finger print and not DNA?

I wonder what kind of sample of DNA is the fastest to test. For example, maybe hair is faster to get preliminary results, and they would have had his DNA in the files already from his prior.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Edward on March 01, 2010, 04:58:08 PM
That is my point TracyGirl.. ALL LE in out nation should go on high alert when no indicator of runaway exists..

In Amber's case we did have people calling into police and indicating that she was seen walking in a park, they also had a cell phone ping the next day and even in san Diego a man called in that he had seen her in balboa park.
As time went on it became apparent to LE that they made irreversible mistakes in the beginning of Amber's disappearance.
As you said she had no history of runaway..her grades good. no CPS at the home.. all indicators of a happy life.
Amber's friends were also no help.. and other people said they had seen Amber walking..

ALL OF THEM INCORRECT.

This is what led LE Astray... It is a learning experience, unfortunately we do not know how long Amber was kept alive.. Had they moved faster and broke down the doors of sex offenders would it have saved Amber ?
It will eat on everyones conscience forever.
Poor Amber.

I will not believe Amber is dead untill she is found. We are looking at this culprit for his behaviors with Chelsea for clues as to what or where Amber is now.
I hope he leads them to the bodies.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Shell on March 01, 2010, 04:58:14 PM

Klaas, thanks so much for bringing the article and map over from the link I posted.  ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Nut44x4 on March 01, 2010, 05:00:19 PM
(http://kpbs.media.clients.ellingtoncms.com/img/photos/2010/02/28/johngardner_t250.jpg?2fda506767b58ed02cfc53b8db969377bec8c5c0)
John Albert Gardner


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Tracygirl on March 01, 2010, 05:01:57 PM

I guess if you are going to go missing, you better go missing in San Diego jurisdiction rather than Escondido.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::



yea no kidding!


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Nut44x4 on March 01, 2010, 05:02:15 PM
Probably already posted, you all know I am usually slow, lol.
Upon our request for information on Gardner’s arrest, we received the following from the San Diego Sheriff’s Office, which seems to indicate he has been charged with first degree murder:

Arrest: 1
Charge#: 1
Bail Flag: N
Bail Amount:$0.00
Description:MURDER:FIRST DEGREE
Code:PC
Statute:187(A) PC

Arrest: 1
Charge#: 2
Bail Flag: I
Bail Amount:$0.00
Description:RAPE BY FORCE/FEAR/ETC
Code:PC
Statute:261(A)(2) PC

Bail Flag Codes:
Y or I – Charge is eligible for bail.
H or N – Inmate may not be bailed out on that given charge.
B – Bail is not required on this charge.

***For those sleuthers out there, it should be noted that on his arrest report from the San Diego Sheriff’s Office he is listed as John Albert Gardner III (Or at least his middle name is listed as “Albert, III”)

http://starcasm.net/archives/37324


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Tracygirl on March 01, 2010, 05:03:44 PM
(http://kpbs.media.clients.ellingtoncms.com/img/photos/2010/02/28/johngardner_t250.jpg?2fda506767b58ed02cfc53b8db969377bec8c5c0)
John Albert Gardner

I wonder if he has an alias..I can't seem to find him on Veromi or on a site I use. The middle name is different and/or the birthday doesn't fit. Has anyone else found him on any site? (besides the RSO site of course)


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Nut44x4 on March 01, 2010, 05:07:43 PM
You can look him up here:
http://www.meganslaw.ca.gov/

He shows no known alias's


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 01, 2010, 05:10:54 PM

My daughter and her friends walk, jog in the same area. It could have been them had they not always gone together. She said, there are so many areas off the path where anything could happen and nobody would see a thing. She is understandably upset, thinking it could have been one of her friends who lives in that area. People come from all around the county to use that trail.
I can just imagine, how this has all shattered the area, with Chelsea and Amber  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: akmom on March 01, 2010, 05:11:18 PM
    I am so sick.  Day after day, week after week, the innocent of our country are under attack.  In our so-called advanced society, we protect the perps, and their rights, far better than our children.  When are we going to stop the politically correct BS and start treating these perps the way they deserve.  One chance and it should be the end of it.  Either they should be locked away for life or done away with.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Tracygirl on March 01, 2010, 05:12:21 PM
You can look him up here:
http://www.meganslaw.ca.gov/

He shows no known alias's

That is the only site I can find a listing for him. It says no alias's but It hink that is known aliases. Honestly, look him up on veromi even..not there and everyone is found on there, lol.

I even did an address search for the Lake Elsenore addy and he does not come up. I did a search under the addy for the apartment edward listed, nothing. I did a california search, nothing. Either I need a break or there is no John Albert Gardner III born 4/09/1979.



Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Edward on March 01, 2010, 05:16:34 PM
(http://www.sandiego6.com/media/lib/38/f/e/3/fe3ee811-07dd-4710-aa17-b25330faabe5/Original.jpg)


Read the comments by local citizens..
http://www.sandiego6.com/news/local/story/Chelsea-King-missing-Poway-Rancho-Bernardo-jogging/zTLAKar0XUGyf78trbfHvg.cspx?p=Comments





Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Edward on March 01, 2010, 05:20:40 PM
TracyGirl post from Amber's thread..

Court records show that a psychiatrist who interviewed Gardner said he showed no remorse for his actions. “There is no known treatment for an individual that sexually assaults girls and does not admit to it in any way,” said Dr. Matthew Carroll. “The fact that the defendant takes no responsibility whatsoever for his actions makes him an extremely poor candidate for any sexual offender treatment.”


NOT a good sign.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Rob on March 01, 2010, 05:22:44 PM
DNA can be done very quickly - don't let 'em fool you with all this backlog non-sense. And when someone is missing and feared murdered and raped - they do expedite those samples to the front of the line. It's logical and makes sense, and in this case Gardner is not going on a crime spree while samples are processed. This is a good move - however it's after the fact and someone committing crimes on 13 year olds should not have been in any position to commit any future crimes.

The underwear being recovered was the item that allowed a sample along with the sexual predator data-base cross-reference. Gardner was in that data-base.

As for Megan's Law and Jessica's law and any other laws - predators do not respect laws. I won't out and out call it all a failure, but there's nothing that can really be done other than locking them up and throwing away the key. Most here already know that. The recidivism rate is over 80%. That's too high to try and figure out who may offend and who may not. The odds just aren't there for any consideration for these predators.

The two choices are - execution on first offense or life in prison (with no possibility of parole) if a crime has been committed on a young person under the age of 14. Hopefully the age of idiocy will be coming to an end after the next election cycle and we will finally have representatives that take crimes against our children seriously.

Any way - prayers for Chelsea and her family and all who knew and loved her. She sounded like a lovely and wonderful young lady that had so much to give.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Tracygirl on March 01, 2010, 05:23:15 PM
I like the waterboarding suggestion....We should be able to torture him until he talks and tells investigators where she is and if he has anymore victims.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Tracygirl on March 01, 2010, 05:28:18 PM
TracyGirl post from Amber's thread..

Court records show that a psychiatrist who interviewed Gardner said he showed no remorse for his actions. “There is no known treatment for an individual that sexually assaults girls and does not admit to it in any way,” said Dr. Matthew Carroll. “The fact that the defendant takes no responsibility whatsoever for his actions makes him an extremely poor candidate for any sexual offender treatment.”


NOT a good sign.

Why on earth did they not listen to the psychiatrist???? from the sounds of it he is saying he needed to be kept off the streets.
Has anyone found out anything about where he worked? 


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Nut44x4 on March 01, 2010, 05:29:20 PM
TracyGirl post from Amber's thread..

Court records show that a psychiatrist who interviewed Gardner said he showed no remorse for his actions. “There is no known treatment for an individual that sexually assaults girls and does not admit to it in any way,” said Dr. Matthew Carroll. “The fact that the defendant takes no responsibility whatsoever for his actions makes him an extremely poor candidate for any sexual offender treatment.”


NOT a good sign.

These shrinks make me sick!! There is no "known treatment" PERIOD......whether they admit to the crime/show remorse or not! Effin' Docs are just in it for the money. They have to know there is 'no cure'. They all make me sick.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Shell on March 01, 2010, 05:30:21 PM

Chelsea went missing on Thursday. He is arrested on Sunday with mud up to his knees. My question is, what do you suppose he had been doing to get mud up to his knees? To go out to dinner in public with obvious mud on the clothing, is like flaunting it...IMHO


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Nut44x4 on March 01, 2010, 05:33:42 PM
I can't seem to find how many years he actually served of his 6 year :roll: sentence in the prior conviction... certainly not all 6  ::MonkeyNoNo::

SIX YEARS for his punishment makes me sick too! When will our injustice system 'get it'???
One strike, you are out...put away for the rest of your freakish, miserable life. Preferably  ::MonkeyHang:: , but prison will do, lol.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Tracygirl on March 01, 2010, 05:35:40 PM
Of course ultimately nutt you are correct. At least with this one case he was admitting nothing would work. Even with that, he was not listened to. He tries to rape a 13 year old and he is basically slapped on the wrist and sent home after a mear 5 years. I think even before that happened in 2000 he attempted to rape a 14 year old in 1999.
So he gets out in 2005, fear as a bird...you think he waited until 2/2010 to strick again? Me thinks not. I would bet a bag full of peanuts there is a long line of victims.
Where on earth were the people who are supposed to monitor these freaks? He changed his addy to an addy he didn't seem to live at and they didn't figure it out? He was staying with his mom around the corner from an elementary school and they didn't know it? WTH??? This is a train wreck.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Edward on March 01, 2010, 05:35:46 PM
Apparently his vehicle or what was found inside of it was evidence when they found him.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Shell on March 01, 2010, 05:35:56 PM
I can't seem to find how many years he actually served of his 6 year :roll: sentence in the prior conviction... certainly not all 6  ::MonkeyNoNo::

SIX YEARS for his punishment makes me sick too! When will our injustice system 'get it'???
One strike, you are out...put away for the rest of your freakish, miserable life. Preferably  ::MonkeyHang:: , but prison will do, lol.

I read somewhere, I think within last 6 pages here, that he served 5 years of a 6 yr sentence.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 01, 2010, 05:35:56 PM
I can't seem to find how many years he actually served of his 6 year :roll: sentence in the prior conviction... certainly not all 6  ::MonkeyNoNo::

SIX YEARS for his punishment makes me sick too! When will our injustice system 'get it'???
One strike, you are out...put away for the rest of your freakish, miserable life. Preferably  ::MonkeyHang:: , but prison will do, lol.
It was five out of the six, it was either in a video or article, and that he also attacked a friend of the 13 year old girl.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Tracygirl on March 01, 2010, 05:39:40 PM
Apparently his vehicle or what was found inside of it was evidence when they found him.


Oh...do you happen to know what kind of vehicle it was?


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Shell on March 01, 2010, 05:41:19 PM
This why we do such research in these threads.. Amber's thread has lots of crimes committed recent and past  looking for a pattern of behavior that may be repeated.

Some things do not make it to the news ..
 
LE should have a complete list of crimes committed.

A lot doesn't make it to the news. If it did, maybe people would be more cautious.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Rob on March 01, 2010, 05:41:39 PM
In my humble opinion, the best thing that can be accomplished on the border states and California and Arizona in particular - is lock the borders, and begin executing those on death row.

Those new death sentences - process their appeal in a competent fashion and none of this 20-30 years (or dying of old age) on death row. Prisons are over-crowed by repeat offenders and certainly not building enough prisons. Personally I could careless if they are overcrowded, except it puts guards in danger.

When people respect the law - the crime rate goes down, and if it doesn't, alot of trash is cleaned up and is unable to cause further harm.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Edward on March 01, 2010, 05:44:16 PM
Apparently his vehicle or what was found inside of it was evidence when they found him.


Oh...do you happen to know what kind of vehicle it was?

Sorry, not at this time.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 01, 2010, 05:44:23 PM
The crimes occurred about a month before his 21st birthday.
He was charged with three counts of forcible lewd act upon a child and one count of false Imprisonment by violence, menace, fraud or deceit. On May 31, two months later, he pleaded guilty to two counts of forcible lewd act and the single count of false imprisonment.
Gardner faced a maximum prison sentence of 10 years and 8 months. On September 13, 2000 he was sentenced to six years in state prison, and ordered to pay a $1200 fine.
In the sentencing summary, prosecutors considered Gardner’s actions “extremely predatory, and this makes him very dangerous despite his minor prior record. When combined with his callous attitude and refusal to admit any wrongdoing, defendant demonstrates that he is an extreme danger to others and needs to be imprisoned to protect society.”
The court records indicate that the district attorney did not seek the maximum sentence only because Gardner had no significant record of prior criminal conduct.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: trimmonthelake on March 01, 2010, 05:45:41 PM
Parents of missing Calif. teen plead for help

Associated Press - March 1, 2010 5:04 PM ET

SAN DIEGO (AP) - The parents of a 17-year-old girl who failed to come home after a run in the park are pleading for people to come forward with information.

John Gardner III, a registered sex offender, has been booked for investigation of murder and remains in custody without bail after his arrest Sunday in San Diego.

Authorities are still searching for Chelsea King, and prosecutors say they will decide by Wednesday whether to charge Gardner.

Brent King of the San Diego suburb of Poway tells The Associated Press that he last saw his daughter Wednesday night after she played French horn in a school concert. He found her 1994 BMW parked at a San Diego park late Thursday.

The parents say Chelsea is a straight-A student who ran cross-county and is active her school's peer counseling program.

http://www.kswt.com/Global/story.asp?S=12064977


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: piwannaberookie on March 01, 2010, 05:46:20 PM
Does anyone know if he uses drugs. This is John Gardner I am talking about.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Tracygirl on March 01, 2010, 05:50:11 PM
This why we do such research in these threads.. Amber's thread has lots of crimes committed recent and past  looking for a pattern of behavior that may be repeated.

Some things do not make it to the news ..
 
LE should have a complete list of crimes committed.

A lot doesn't make it to the news. If it did, maybe people would be more cautious.

Or people assume when a teen goes missing she/he is just another runaway. It has become the easy (and I fear cost effective) way to deal with this problem. I wonder how many "runaways" are not, that they were kidnapped and killed?
What an easy age group to target. IF they go with the man willingly they are simply assumed to be "bad" kids. If they are missing, they are assumed to have ran away in a teenaged tantrum. Every once in awhile it is taken seriously and as in this case if I am correct a man who has been targeting this age group for a number of years was finally stopped, but after how many victims? This is sickening.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 01, 2010, 05:51:51 PM
firetrucks & ambulances are rolling towards the park direction, just saw this on WS, is anyone listening to the scanner?


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: klaasend on March 01, 2010, 05:52:05 PM
Does anyone know if he uses drugs. This is John Gardner I am talking about.

I had wondered, based solely on the size of his neck, if he was taking steroids.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Nut44x4 on March 01, 2010, 05:52:42 PM
Thanks norose


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 01, 2010, 05:56:14 PM
Thanks norose
I'm trying to follow the scanner talk going on at WS, and some that is being reported does not involve this case, but evidently there is some info about a tip, don't know much more.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: klaasend on March 01, 2010, 05:57:14 PM
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub8/JamesGardnerElsinoreHouse.jpg)


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Shell on March 01, 2010, 05:57:21 PM
http://www.prweb.com/releases/Chelsea-King/John-Gardner/prweb3669844.htm
03/01/10
IntegraScan Denied the Ability to Speak to Detectives Regarding Chelsea King Abduction

IntegraScan.com has valuable information regarding the actual address of John Albert Gardner III, the suspect arrested for the disappearance of Chelsea King in San Diego County,California.

Brocton, NY (PRWEB) March 1, 2010 -- IntegraScan.com, a background check company, contacted the San Diego County Sheriff's Department this morning, March 1, 2010, regarding the Chelsea King and John Albert Gardner III case with valuable information on the current address of John Gardner III, but were denied the opportunity to provide this information to detectives working the case.

After hearing about Chelsea King's disappearance February 25th and the arrest of the sex offender, John Gardner III on Sunday (http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2010/02/man-arrested-in-san-diego-teens-disappearance-her-whereabouts-still-unknown.html), Integra Scan performed a search of their system for information on Gardner. The San Diego County Sheriff William Gore reported to the Associated Press that they arrested John Gardner III of Lake Elsinore, California. Lake Elsinore is located 75 miles north of where Chelsea King disappeared. However, the address the IntegraScan database has Gardner living at is in Escondido, California, a mere eight miles from the Rancho Bernardo Community Park where Chelsea King was jogging and disappeared.

When Integra Scan called the San Diego County Sheriff's Department to report Gardner's real address, they were denied the opportunity to speak with a detective by the operator. After questioning the operator about whether or not they were still searching for Chelsea King, the operator confirmed that they were, but that it was not possible to speak to a detective regarding the case. This press release is a plea to the Sheriff to please contact us. We will gladly provide you with the information we have.

In addition, Integra Scan has a full address history on Gardner dating back to 2000, as well as four photos, while the Office of the Attorney General only has one photo and the incorrect address for Gardner. The address history that Integra Scan has also shows that Gardner actually lived in Rancho Bernardo in 2000, which suggests that he is very familiar with the Rancho Bernardo Community Park and area.

The San Diego Sheriff's Department has stated that they have valuable evidence linking Gardner to the case, but we feel they are looking in the wrong location for Chelsea King. It is highly likely that additional evidence, and perhaps Chelsea King, could be located at this current address.

About IntegraScan.com: Information regarding John Albert Gardner III was provided by IntegraScan.com a background check and people locate company.

I am just now seeing this article-very interesting


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: klaasend on March 01, 2010, 05:59:04 PM
firetrucks & ambulances are rolling towards the park direction, just saw this on WS, is anyone listening to the scanner?

Do you have the link to the scanner?


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: klaasend on March 01, 2010, 06:00:30 PM
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub8/KingDubois.jpg)


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 01, 2010, 06:01:52 PM
firetrucks & ambulances are rolling towards the park direction, just saw this on WS, is anyone listening to the scanner?

Do you have the link to the scanner?
http://www.radioreference.com/apps/audio/?ctid=219    Click on North San Diego County and Escondido Sheriff


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: klaasend on March 01, 2010, 06:02:16 PM
Live stream of search for Chelsea

http://www.cbs8.com/#


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Shell on March 01, 2010, 06:05:33 PM
firetrucks & ambulances are rolling towards the park direction, just saw this on WS, is anyone listening to the scanner?

Yes, I am, but I am back and forth between another room and this one, so I was not listening closely.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: klaasend on March 01, 2010, 06:06:39 PM
firetrucks & ambulances are rolling towards the park direction, just saw this on WS, is anyone listening to the scanner?

Do you have the link to the scanner?
http://www.radioreference.com/apps/audio/?ctid=219    Click on North San Diego County and Escondido Sheriff

Thanks NoRose!  Did you just hear a voice that sounded a bit like Tim Miller?


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Shell on March 01, 2010, 06:08:26 PM
In my humble opinion, the best thing that can be accomplished on the border states and California and Arizona in particular - is lock the borders, and begin executing those on death row.

Those new death sentences - process their appeal in a competent fashion and none of this 20-30 years (or dying of old age) on death row. Prisons are over-crowed by repeat offenders and certainly not building enough prisons. Personally I could careless if they are overcrowded, except it puts guards in danger.

When people respect the law - the crime rate goes down, and if it doesn't, alot of trash is cleaned up and is unable to cause further harm.

Closing the borders and executions would be ideal, but there is not a chance in h3ll it will ever happen.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Shell on March 01, 2010, 06:11:18 PM
firetrucks & ambulances are rolling towards the park direction, just saw this on WS, is anyone listening to the scanner?

Do you have the link to the scanner?
http://www.radioreference.com/apps/audio/?ctid=219    Click on North San Diego County and Escondido Sheriff

Thanks NoRose!  Did you just hear a voice that sounded a bit like Tim Miller?

I didn't, what did you hear? I heard someone say they were requesting a change of route back due to rough terrain


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 01, 2010, 06:12:58 PM
firetrucks & ambulances are rolling towards the park direction, just saw this on WS, is anyone listening to the scanner?

Do you have the link to the scanner?
http://www.radioreference.com/apps/audio/?ctid=219    Click on North San Diego County and Escondido Sheriff

Thanks NoRose!  Did you just hear a voice that sounded a bit like Tim Miller?
I'm now looking at a presser that is getting ready to start, at least it appears to be going to start soon, I hear helicopters in the background,


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Shell on March 01, 2010, 06:14:00 PM

So often you hear the officers say..."I am heading over to RB now to help search for the missing girl..." It is really amazing the outporing of help from the communities.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Shell on March 01, 2010, 06:15:41 PM

Low flying helicopter is in the Valley now


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Tracygirl on March 01, 2010, 06:16:26 PM
Oh gosh I have to go now! Prayers they have found something.

What I just thought of since the size of this man was mentioned..I wonder where he worked out in escondido, there is a gym by the high school, I think it is a 24 hour fitness. It is on the other side of the high school and field. Don't know if that matters but thought I would mention it.
BBL


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 01, 2010, 06:16:32 PM

Low flying helicopter is in the Valley now
Something about a camera in a canyon.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Shell on March 01, 2010, 06:20:43 PM
It headed towards the Lake area


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Shell on March 01, 2010, 06:23:29 PM
OT from scanner...a male choking a puppy...OMG


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Shell on March 01, 2010, 06:25:31 PM
At 3:30 P.M.: Go to cbs8.com for live streaming of the San Diego County Sheriff's Department's news conference with the latest information on the search for Chelsea King.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Shell on March 01, 2010, 06:26:23 PM
http://www.cbs8.com/Global/story.asp?S=12048619


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: klaasend on March 01, 2010, 06:26:50 PM
At 3:30 P.M.: Go to cbs8.com for live streaming of the San Diego County Sheriff's Department's news conference with the latest information on the search for Chelsea King.


http://www.cbs8.com/


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: klaasend on March 01, 2010, 06:29:51 PM
http://www.cbs8.com/Global/story.asp?S=12048619

Getting ready to start now!


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 01, 2010, 06:34:38 PM
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Give me 20 minutes and I'll upload some new pictures and what I saw driving around.

I do think something's up as far as now there is heavy, heavy activity on the north side of the lake (streets are closed that access the Hernandez Hideaway restaurant area) - the helicopter is low overhead in that area.

But there were also a lot of people at the Smokesignal/Alborada lookout area on the south side looking down by the Bernardo Bay area by the waterfalls (the area where I circled it I think in green in my most recent mpa here) apparently watching again.

The helicopter seemed to be circling between the area of the arrest and the area on the south side I'm referring to. I'll map it and put up photos shortly, including of an access point or two.   (from local at ws)


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: SunnyinTX on March 01, 2010, 06:38:04 PM
DNA can be done very quickly - don't let 'em fool you with all this backlog non-sense. And when someone is missing and feared murdered and raped - they do expedite those samples to the front of the line. It's logical and makes sense, and in this case Gardner is not going on a crime spree while samples are processed. This is a good move - however it's after the fact and someone committing crimes on 13 year olds should not have been in any position to commit any future crimes.

The underwear being recovered was the item that allowed a sample along with the sexual predator data-base cross-reference. Gardner was in that data-base.

As for Megan's Law and Jessica's law and any other laws - predators do not respect laws. I won't out and out call it all a failure, but there's nothing that can really be done other than locking them up and throwing away the key. Most here already know that. The recidivism rate is over 80%. That's too high to try and figure out who may offend and who may not. The odds just aren't there for any consideration for these predators.

The two choices are - execution on first offense or life in prison (with no possibility of parole) if a crime has been committed on a young person under the age of 14. Hopefully the age of idiocy will be coming to an end after the next election cycle and we will finally have representatives that take crimes against our children seriously.

Any way - prayers for Chelsea and her family and all who knew and loved her. She sounded like a lovely and wonderful young lady that had so much to give.

It sure is good to read this and think.....Rob is back! ::MonkeyHeart::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Edward on March 01, 2010, 06:39:32 PM
Sheriff William Gore, appearing with the girl's parents on ABC's "Good Morning America," said Gardner was arrested after investigators discovered a piece of physical evidence linking him to the case. He did not elaborate.

Gardner, who gave his residence as Lake Elsinore, about 75 miles north of the park, was arrested at a restaurant in Escondido.

His interrogation had not been productive, Gore said.

"We questioned Mr. Gardner into the evening and so far we still don't know where Chelsea is," Gore said. "We're confident that we have the right man in custody. Now we've just got to find Chelsea."

http://www.cbs8.com/Global/story.asp?S=12048619#


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Edward on March 01, 2010, 06:42:31 PM
He will stay in denial.. He has already been incarcerated..

Let both of the dad's talk with him for some time ALONE ! With baseball bats !!
 


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: SunnyinTX on March 01, 2010, 06:44:16 PM
TracyGirl post from Amber's thread..

Court records show that a psychiatrist who interviewed Gardner said he showed no remorse for his actions. “There is no known treatment for an individual that sexually assaults girls and does not admit to it in any way,” said Dr. Matthew Carroll. “The fact that the defendant takes no responsibility whatsoever for his actions makes him an extremely poor candidate for any sexual offender treatment.”


NOT a good sign.

Why on earth did they not listen to the psychiatrist???? from the sounds of it he is saying he needed to be kept off the streets.
Has anyone found out anything about where he worked? 

So there is no cure for him and they know it...so what do they do....let him loose a year early....to go out and not only abuse and rape, but now murder. He needed to be locked up someplace..............we have places for people who are mentally ill, people who cannot function in a 'normal' environment....why not have a place for those who can not be rehabilitated and will go out and commit more crimes?  What in the hell do we have to do to protect ourselves and our children?  I am fearful that we are going to reverse to vigilante justice again...and that might NOT be a bad thing.  We have gotten too damn civilized!!  JMO ::MonkeyNoNo::

I have been looking and can't find any info on if he works and if so where.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Live*Learn*Love on March 01, 2010, 06:45:11 PM
In the press conference right now, she said she doesn't know of any (of the suspects) vechicles being impounded but will follow up on it for the news.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: SunnyinTX on March 01, 2010, 06:47:40 PM

Chelsea went missing on Thursday. He is arrested on Sunday with mud up to his knees. My question is, what do you suppose he had been doing to get mud up to his knees? To go out to dinner in public with obvious mud on the clothing, is like flaunting it...IMHO

Hi Shell...I have looked all over and can find nothing that confirms this statement that was made by 'someone'.....I can't believe this is true. I saw a statement in one of the news article that the person who waited on him at the restaurant saw nothing strange or odd about him.  I think mud up to his knees might be a tad odd. ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: SunnyinTX on March 01, 2010, 06:49:26 PM
I can't seem to find how many years he actually served of his 6 year :roll: sentence in the prior conviction... certainly not all 6  ::MonkeyNoNo::

SIX YEARS for his punishment makes me sick too! When will our injustice system 'get it'???
One strike, you are out...put away for the rest of your freakish, miserable life. Preferably  ::MonkeyHang:: , but prison will do, lol.

I read somewhere, I think within last 6 pages here, that he served 5 years of a 6 yr sentence.

that's what I have read too...he could have and should have gotten 10 years.....if he had gotten the 10 years Chelsea might still be alive.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: piwannaberookie on March 01, 2010, 06:49:41 PM
If you look up John Albert Gardner on the San Diego Court website, and scroll down to mental health, his name is listed under there at  least 5 times. http://www.sdcourt.ca.gov/portal/page?_pageid=55,1056871&_dad=portal&_schema=PORTAL


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: SunnyinTX on March 01, 2010, 06:51:39 PM
Apparently his vehicle or what was found inside of it was evidence when they found him.


Edward...where did you read this please???


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: SunnyinTX on March 01, 2010, 06:52:50 PM
In my humble opinion, the best thing that can be accomplished on the border states and California and Arizona in particular - is lock the borders, and begin executing those on death row.

Those new death sentences - process their appeal in a competent fashion and none of this 20-30 years (or dying of old age) on death row. Prisons are over-crowed by repeat offenders and certainly not building enough prisons. Personally I could careless if they are overcrowded, except it puts guards in danger.

When people respect the law - the crime rate goes down, and if it doesn't, alot of trash is cleaned up and is unable to cause further harm.

 ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyGavel::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: SunnyinTX on March 01, 2010, 06:56:35 PM
Thanks norose
I'm trying to follow the scanner talk going on at WS, and some that is being reported does not involve this case, but evidently there is some info about a tip, don't know much more.

nrcg, I was trying to listen to it too.............too darn confusing


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Shell on March 01, 2010, 06:57:23 PM

Actually, there are a lot of men who are around town rather dirty. A lot are in agricultural jobs (San Pasqual Valley is an agricultural preserve), construction (which is going on in the communities due to fires in 07) or taking care of horses etc. Depending how dirty, it might not look so odd. Just my opinion. We do not know if the dirt to his knees is a fact or not.



Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Edward on March 01, 2010, 07:04:00 PM
DNA can be done very quickly - don't let 'em fool you with all this backlog non-sense. And when someone is missing and feared murdered and raped - they do expedite those samples to the front of the line. It's logical and makes sense, and in this case Gardner is not going on a crime spree while samples are processed. This is a good move - however it's after the fact and someone committing crimes on 13 year olds should not have been in any position to commit any future crimes.

The underwear being recovered was the item that allowed a sample along with the sexual predator data-base cross-reference. Gardner was in that data-base.

As for Megan's Law and Jessica's law and any other laws - predators do not respect laws. I won't out and out call it all a failure, but there's nothing that can really be done other than locking them up and throwing away the key. Most here already know that. The recidivism rate is over 80%. That's too high to try and figure out who may offend and who may not. The odds just aren't there for any consideration for these predators.

The two choices are - execution on first offense or life in prison (with no possibility of parole) if a crime has been committed on a young person under the age of 14. Hopefully the age of idiocy will be coming to an end after the next election cycle and we will finally have representatives that take crimes against our children seriously.

Any way - prayers for Chelsea and her family and all who knew and loved her. She sounded like a lovely and wonderful young lady that had so much to give.

It sure is good to read this and think.....Rob is back! ::MonkeyHeart::

Gary condit is your best case to show violence towords women.. Gary was fried for a crime he did not commit.. He did fool around with Chandra.. but
 A illegal did rape and murdered Chandra Levy in a park in Washington D.C. later he bragged about it.
Illegals do far more crimes then our leaders want to tell us. I monitor the situation via news reports and web data bases.
Illegals are not U.S. citizens and should have NO RIGHTS.
What the United states likes to do is convict them of crimes and send them home.. then they re enter our nation and do it again. It is said we do not have the right to execute them.

On March 3, 2009 D.C. police and federal prosecutors announced they had arrested Ingmar A. Guandique, a 27-year-old illegal immigrant from El Salvador, as a suspect in the case.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chandra_Levy

Our Gutlass politians will not address the problem as it should be. they are too busy kissing the worlds ass.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Edward on March 01, 2010, 07:07:05 PM
Apparently his vehicle or what was found inside of it was evidence when they found him.


Edward...where did you read this please???

sorry
I am not at liberty to say at this time.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: SunnyinTX on March 01, 2010, 07:07:30 PM

Actually, there are a lot of men who are around town rather dirty. A lot are in agricultural jobs (San Pasqual Valley is an agricultural preserve), construction (which is going on in the communities due to fires in 07) or taking care of horses etc. Depending how dirty, it might not look so odd. Just my opinion. We do not know if the dirt to his knees is a fact or not.

thanks Shell....eeewwww  dirty men in restaurants!    Wish we could find out of he works.......and if so where.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: SunnyinTX on March 01, 2010, 07:09:21 PM
Apparently his vehicle or what was found inside of it was evidence when they found him.


Edward...where did you read this please???

sorry
I am not at liberty to say at this time.

okey dokey ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Shell on March 01, 2010, 07:09:26 PM

in the video gallery here: http://www.cbs8.com/Global/story.asp?S=12048619
video from 3:47 pm

That 13 year old was victimized in the Townhouse in RB



Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Live*Learn*Love on March 01, 2010, 07:09:53 PM
On scanner they just said they found pants and socks by del dios.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Shell on March 01, 2010, 07:12:32 PM

Actually, there are a lot of men who are around town rather dirty. A lot are in agricultural jobs (San Pasqual Valley is an agricultural preserve), construction (which is going on in the communities due to fires in 07) or taking care of horses etc. Depending how dirty, it might not look so odd. Just my opinion. We do not know if the dirt to his knees is a fact or not.

thanks Shell....eeewwww  dirty men in restaurants!    Wish we could find out of he works.......and if so where.

Yes, and some of them smell of horse ****!


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Edward on March 01, 2010, 07:13:26 PM
was she not in running shorts ?


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: SunnyinTX on March 01, 2010, 07:13:56 PM

in the video gallery here: http://www.cbs8.com/Global/story.asp?S=12048619
video from 3:47 pm

That 13 year old was victimized in the Townhouse in RB


Thanks shell..............


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: SunnyinTX on March 01, 2010, 07:15:18 PM
On scanner they just said they found pants and socks by del dios.

thanks.......how close is that area to where the panties were found. 


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Edward on March 01, 2010, 07:16:49 PM
steph is not back with us yet.. but I expect he will be.
http://stephww.wordpress.com/


SunnyinTX
 I do not want to say anything before the authorities do.

Besides my info is hearsay...until proves true. ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: SunnyinTX on March 01, 2010, 07:17:02 PM

Actually, there are a lot of men who are around town rather dirty. A lot are in agricultural jobs (San Pasqual Valley is an agricultural preserve), construction (which is going on in the communities due to fires in 07) or taking care of horses etc. Depending how dirty, it might not look so odd. Just my opinion. We do not know if the dirt to his knees is a fact or not.

thanks Shell....eeewwww  dirty men in restaurants!    Wish we could find out of he works.......and if so where.

Yes, and some of them smell of horse ****!

eeeeeeeewwwwwwwwwwwwwwww so I guess a guy wet and muddy would not seem odd at all, in some restaurants anyway. ::CowboySmiley::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Shell on March 01, 2010, 07:19:44 PM
 Still hearing low flying helicopters

Scanner, someone asked where he should go, he was headed out to help with the search..they said stand by..and I did not hear the answer


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: SunnyinTX on March 01, 2010, 07:21:44 PM
steph is not back with us yet.. but I expect he will be.
http://stephww.wordpress.com/


SunnyinTX
 I do not want to say anything before the authorities do.

Besides my info is hearsay...until proves true. ::MonkeyWink::

Edward, I understand


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Shell on March 01, 2010, 07:23:25 PM
Still hearing low flying helicopters

Scanner, someone asked where he should go, he was headed out to help with the search..they said stand by..and I did not hear the answer

ok, they said no specific area, so the guy was going anyway and help look around...


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Nut44x4 on March 01, 2010, 07:24:39 PM
Apparently his vehicle or what was found inside of it was evidence when they found him.


Edward...where did you read this please???

sorry
I am not at liberty to say at this time.


 :smt091 Edward.....you know how much I hate the 'I know but I can't tell shite'  :smt091 :smt075 :smt019 :gaah:


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Shell on March 01, 2010, 07:25:19 PM
Still hearing low flying helicopters

Scanner, someone asked where he should go, he was headed out to help with the search..they said stand by..and I did not hear the answer

ok, they said no specific area, so the guy was going anyway and help look around...

oh, he said they will talk when he lands...so he must have been calling from copter


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Shell on March 01, 2010, 07:26:31 PM
? it appears to have been here a while, but it is not molded into the ground? heard on scanner..is anyone else listening?


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: SunnyinTX on March 01, 2010, 07:28:08 PM
Still hearing low flying helicopters

Scanner, someone asked where he should go, he was headed out to help with the search..they said stand by..and I did not hear the answer

ok, they said no specific area, so the guy was going anyway and help look around...

thanks....I am trying to listen too...but will soon be stopping for dinner...


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Edward on March 01, 2010, 07:29:34 PM
Apparently his vehicle or what was found inside of it was evidence when they found him.


Edward...where did you read this please???

sorry
I am not at liberty to say at this time.


 :smt091 Edward.....you know how much I hate the 'I know but I can't tell shite'  :smt091 :smt075 :smt019 :gaah:

I was talking with a person who is on the ground .. no names as I want nobody in trouble.
Most of all I do not want this fool to get off.. I want him put away this time forever.
 



Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Shell on March 01, 2010, 07:29:52 PM
I need to stop soon too...take a break and dress LOL...I am still in jammies!!!!!


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: SunnyinTX on March 01, 2010, 07:31:17 PM
I need to stop soon too...take a break and dress LOL...I am still in jammies!!!!!

hahahahaha....might as well stay in them now.... ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: sebastian on March 01, 2010, 07:32:13 PM
I went into Escondido a little bit ago and drove around. There are lots of FBI and media crew on Lake Dr in the little town of Del Dios. I then drove around the lake on the I-15 side. I did not see much there. I heard an unconfirmed report on the radio that they found a sweatshirt and sunglasses by Lake Hodges. I took some photos, how do I load them here?


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: SunnyinTX on March 01, 2010, 07:34:19 PM
travelingBug posted this from the news....hat tip to Traveling Bug

KNSD (news 7) at 4:

The search is now RECOVERY not rescue.

Some of her clothing was found along the shoreline and that had his DNA on it.

Neighbors are outraged.

Witnesses say his pants were wet and a bit muddy from the knee down.

Neighbors are angry that the description from the December attack (which they ARE saying was JAG) wasn't made public because they would have found him before this.

They mention his history and his fascination with very young girls (which doesn't fit Chelsea or the other runner - and makes me increasingly thankful nothing happened at the elementary school right by JAG's family's home)

Chelsea's parents are still hoping she will be found.

Searchers and the community are even more determined to find answers and to find her, even with news of the arrest. Even Chargers players came out to search. (Way to go community!! Way to rally for one of our own!)

Her family is currently meeting with the DA to know what they will be facing.

JAG will be arraigned tomorrow.

They said it was a very rough day at Poway High and most of the campus (and community - per my own observations out and about) was dressed in blue and emotions are very high and parents are very concerned and worried about their own kids.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Edward on March 01, 2010, 07:37:47 PM
I need to stop soon too...take a break and dress LOL...I am still in jammies!!!!!

heck it is 4:30 almost time for bed again..  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: SunnyinTX on March 01, 2010, 07:39:27 PM
I went into Escondido a little bit ago and drove around. There are lots of FBI and media crew on Lake Dr in the little town of Del Dios. I then drove around the lake on the I-15 side. I did not see much there. I heard an unconfirmed report on the radio that they found a sweatshirt and sunglasses by Lake Hodges. I took some photos, how do I load them here?

Sorry I can't help on the picture thing.....but someone will be able to tell you....thanks for  driving around and taking pictures. I look forward to seeing them 
 


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: sebastian on March 01, 2010, 07:40:00 PM
Does anyone know how I can load pictures?


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Shell on March 01, 2010, 07:40:16 PM

Sunny, thanks for that report

Just heard on scanner..we will mark a/the? pack of camels, and move on


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: theboyzmom on March 01, 2010, 07:46:04 PM

Actually, there are a lot of men who are around town rather dirty. A lot are in agricultural jobs (San Pasqual Valley is an agricultural preserve), construction (which is going on in the communities due to fires in 07) or taking care of horses etc. Depending how dirty, it might not look so odd. Just my opinion. We do not know if the dirt to his knees is a fact or not.

thanks Shell....eeewwww  dirty men in restaurants!    Wish we could find out of he works.......and if so where.

Actually it is more common than you know - we own a coney island (which is sort of like a family resturant) and we get guys coming in at lunch time with dirt on them - they are construction and road workers along with the guys from the auto shops and auto part places. Also, landlords that are either rehabbing or cleaning out a rental come in pretty dirty.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: theboyzmom on March 01, 2010, 07:48:44 PM
Does anyone know how I can load pictures?

The best way is to upload them to photobucket (the membership is free) and they will give you a code for posting them in a message board - look for the one that has img before it - just cut and paste it here and it will show up as a pic.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Shell on March 01, 2010, 07:53:55 PM
they found another sock, going to check it.per scanner


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Shell on March 01, 2010, 07:55:06 PM
correction..pair of black socks size med...tagged and underneath big oak tree


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 01, 2010, 07:58:19 PM
they found another sock, going to check it.per scanner
And some sunglasses were found.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: ArmChairAnalysist on March 01, 2010, 07:58:44 PM
If they found her panties on the RB side of the lake why would he drag a naked body to the Del Dios side of the lake?

He could have been on that side of the lake to watch the search team to see how close they were. If he hasn't been at his mothers house since Thursday, he must have slept somewhere. Muddy wet clothes screams a camp site.

Does anybody else think that if we find his dump site we may find more than one victims remains.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Shell on March 01, 2010, 08:05:45 PM
If they found her panties on the RB side of the lake why would he drag a naked body to the Del Dios side of the lake?

He could have been on that side of the lake to watch the search team to see how close they were. If he hasn't been at his mothers house since Thursday, he must have slept somewhere. Muddy wet clothes screams a camp site.

Does anybody else think that if we find his dump site we may find more than one victims remains.
Yes


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Shell on March 01, 2010, 08:09:16 PM
Apparently his vehicle or what was found inside of it was evidence when they found him.


Just a suggestion, but maybe put a disclaimer as heresay at the time you make the post?  ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: klaasend on March 01, 2010, 08:10:32 PM

Actually, there are a lot of men who are around town rather dirty. A lot are in agricultural jobs (San Pasqual Valley is an agricultural preserve), construction (which is going on in the communities due to fires in 07) or taking care of horses etc. Depending how dirty, it might not look so odd. Just my opinion. We do not know if the dirt to his knees is a fact or not.



Shell - do you know anything about that restaurant/bar?  Have you been in it?  Is it more like a local hangout?


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 01, 2010, 08:11:12 PM
Channel 8 (KFMB) news at 5:

A shoe, sweatshirt and sunglasses were among the evidence discovered.

There were still nearly 1000 volunteers out today, even with work and school back - the number is NOT much less than it was when people were off over the weekend.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Shell on March 01, 2010, 08:11:53 PM
Apparently his vehicle or what was found inside of it was evidence when they found him.


Just a suggestion, but maybe put a disclaimer as heresay at the time you make the post?  ::MonkeyKiss::

*hear-my spelling stinks when in a hurry


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Edward on March 01, 2010, 08:13:27 PM
Apparently his vehicle or what was found inside of it was evidence when they found him.


Just a suggestion, but maybe put a disclaimer as heresay at the time you make the post?  ::MonkeyKiss::

Most of the time I do not rely on heresay.. lol   ::rhino:: But Yes I agree with you. jammies and all.  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Shell on March 01, 2010, 08:14:45 PM

Actually, there are a lot of men who are around town rather dirty. A lot are in agricultural jobs (San Pasqual Valley is an agricultural preserve), construction (which is going on in the communities due to fires in 07) or taking care of horses etc. Depending how dirty, it might not look so odd. Just my opinion. We do not know if the dirt to his knees is a fact or not.



Shell - do you know anything about that restaurant/bar?  Have you been in it?  Is it more like a local hangout?

Yes, I have been to it twice, 2nd time only because that is where the group wanted to go..lol. I know that I do not like the food or margaritas, but I imagine it is a local hangout, for the lake and surrounding area.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: cw618 on March 01, 2010, 08:20:34 PM
I went into Escondido a little bit ago and drove around. There are lots of FBI and media crew on Lake Dr in the little town of Del Dios. I then drove around the lake on the I-15 side. I did not see much there. I heard an unconfirmed report on the radio that they found a sweatshirt and sunglasses by Lake Hodges. I took some photos, how do I load them here?


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Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: sebastian on March 01, 2010, 08:28:47 PM
I hope this works


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: klaasend on March 01, 2010, 08:30:07 PM
Thanks Sebastian - nice pics.  I know they are large but that's ok  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: sebastian on March 01, 2010, 08:31:59 PM
I painted this one down. Sorry for the oversized photos!


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: sebastian on March 01, 2010, 08:34:20 PM
I also took some photos of the surrounding terrain on both sides to give you an idea of what a large area they have to comb through. I saw at least 10 guys wearing FBI shirts. We have had very heavy rains in the last few days which could explain the mud on the sicko. He could have taken her anywhere. I wonder if they found a shovel? I also wonder if he is a recovering alcoholic and could have been at the AA meeting by Amber's school.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Edward on March 01, 2010, 08:34:22 PM
obsessed.. for sure  ::MonkeyCool::

 Sebastian.. welcome to the club.. good work


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: sebastian on March 01, 2010, 08:35:42 PM
obsessed.. for sure  ::MonkeyCool::

 Sebastian.. welcome to the club.. good work

Lol Edward! When you get close to a parent of a missing kid, it is hard not to become obsessed! I am praying for both of these families as well as their daughters right now!


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 01, 2010, 08:36:19 PM
Sebastian thanks so much for the pictures  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: MuffyBee on March 01, 2010, 08:41:36 PM
Thank you for the pictures, sebastian.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: sebastian on March 01, 2010, 08:42:24 PM
Channel 8 (KFMB) news at 5:

A shoe, sweatshirt and sunglasses were among the evidence discovered.

There were still nearly 1000 volunteers out today, even with work and school back - the number is NOT much less than it was when people were off over the weekend.

San Diego county is one of the FEW counties in the state of California that is not liberal in their beliefs. People are outraged! People that I know that don't usually follow these cases are contacting me. I think heads may role because of all of this. Maybe this would be the time for lawmakers to try and get some stricter laws passed.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Edward on March 01, 2010, 08:42:27 PM
Carrie has been so strong until last night.. Heartwrenching is the only way to express my thoughts. All this time she believes Amber is alive and going anywhere and everywhere to find her.. Then the reality of this criminal.. The possible death of her child by this maniac.
Chelsea's parents watching all of this play our before there eyes with similar thoughts.

I am on fire inside, It is what drives people to research and search for missing people.

I feel so bad for them.
I feel so bad for anyone in similar circumstances and we have sen a lot of them over the years. It is not getting much better with time..


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: sebastian on March 01, 2010, 08:44:11 PM
Thank you guys for showing me how to post them! I am inept with computers.!


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Edward on March 01, 2010, 08:45:48 PM
I think your family is going to take yours away for a week.  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: sebastian on March 01, 2010, 08:48:39 PM
Carrie has been so strong until last night.. Heartwrenching is the only way to express my thoughts. All this time she believes Amber is alive and going anywhere and everywhere to find her.. Then the reality of this criminal.. The possible death of her child by this maniac.
Chelsea's parents watching all of this play our before there eyes with similar thoughts.

I am on fire inside, It is what drives people to research and search for missing people.

I feel so bad for them.
I feel so bad for anyone in similar circumstances and we have sen a lot of them over the years. It is not getting much better with time..

I know exactly what you mean Edward! Carrie is holding out the hope that this maniac did not do something to Amber. Right now she is livid and so angry that this guy was free to prey on Chelsea and perhaps Amber. Her anger is holding her together. When I left the I-15 I was behind a vehicle with missing Chelsea photos all over the windows. It was driving like a bat out of *&&%^ over to the Del Dios area. I wondered if it was one or both of Chelsea's parents. I cannot even imagine what these parents are going through. I cannot tell you how nice it felt to pick my daughter up today. We have to change some laws!


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: sebastian on March 01, 2010, 08:50:32 PM
I think your family is going to take yours away for a week.  ::MonkeyWink::

Hubby does not know what I was up to today ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 01, 2010, 08:56:43 PM
Channel 8 (KFMB) news at 5:

A shoe, sweatshirt and sunglasses were among the evidence discovered.

There were still nearly 1000 volunteers out today, even with work and school back - the number is NOT much less than it was when people were off over the weekend.

San Diego county is one of the FEW counties in the state of California that is not liberal in their beliefs. People are outraged! People that I know that don't usually follow these cases are contacting me. I think heads may role because of all of this. Maybe this would be the time for lawmakers to try and get some stricter laws passed.
I live in Orange County it is conservative, when my husband went to the bank this afternoon, there was a missing flyer for Chelsea in the window.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: klaasend on March 01, 2010, 08:56:48 PM
Thank you guys for showing me how to post them! I am inept with computers.!

May of us have opened online photo sharing at www.photobucket.com

It's handy and you can open an account for free.  One thing is be sure to set it private otherwise anything you upload to it will be visible to anyone, the entire album.  When it's private then you can give us links to a photo but it won't show your entire album.

There are a ot of things you can do in photobucket like edit/resize and make a slideshow so it can be handy and fun.  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Shell on March 01, 2010, 09:01:16 PM
abc news, channel 10 doing story now


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: klaasend on March 01, 2010, 09:03:35 PM
This may have already been posted:

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/mar/01/december-attack-jogger-linked-chelsea-king/

December attack on jogger linked to Chelsea King

By Kristina Davis, UNION-TRIBUNE STAFF WRITER

Monday, March 1, 2010 at 5:46 p.m.

SAN DIEGO — The 22-year-old college student usually runs with her pit bull and a can of mace when she is back home in Colorado Springs.

But Candice was on her own the morning of Dec. 27 as she set off for an eight- to 10-mile jog in Rancho Bernardo Community Park — an outing that quickly turned violent when she was attacked by a man in jeans.

Her mother, Lorie, talked publicly for the first time Monday about the assault on her daughter and news that the same man has been arrested in connection with the disappearance of 17-year-old Chelsea King.

King, a Poway High School senior, went jogging in the same area Thursday but never came home.

“I really feel for the mother. That could’ve been my daughter,” said Candice’s mother. The San Diego Union-Tribune agreed not to identify Candice’s family by their last name to protect their privacy.

Investigators have positively linked the Dec. 27 attack to John Albert Gardner III, a 30-year-old registered sex offender arrested Sunday on suspicion of murder and rape in connection with Chelsea’s disappearance, San Diego police Capt. Jim Collins confirmed Monday.

He declined to say how the link was made, citing the ongoing sheriff’s investigation, but said local authorities are working with police in Colorado Springs.


San Diego police are also reviewing any evidence that might have been recovered in the initial attack and were working to see if it could yield any further clues.

Many residents questioned Monday if enough attention was paid to the December attack and if the community could have been better warned.

“My husband and I walk there almost daily and never saw any such warning. We walked there around 5:30 the very night Chelsea went missing, but of course, at that point knew nothing of what was happening,” said Rancho Bernardo resident Kris Mallory.

“I am ill with grief for this family and Chelsea.”

Candice’s mother also expressed sympathy for Chelsea’s parents and hoped to speak with them at some point. Candice, who was visiting her family in San Diego, was walking on the trails headed back home about 10:30 a.m. that Sunday when she passed a man walking the other way, her mother said.

She thought it was weird he was wearing jeans, but she said “hello” to him, and he nodded back.

He then body slammed her to the ground and asked for money.

When she screamed, he told her to “Shut up.”

She responded, saying “You’re going to have to kill me first,” and he said “That can be arranged,” the mother recounted.

The assailant, who she described as football-player big, then pulled her up and started shaking her by her shoulders, and Candice elbowed him in the nose and ran. She thought she might have broken his nose. She stopped at the first house she found, banged on the door and called 911.

Officers showed up moments later to begin a search of the area, and a police helicopter broadcast the man’s description to residents.

Lorie and her husband, who live nearby, heard the helicopter and decided to take their dogs down to the park, she said.

As they were walking, they didn’t think for a second that their daughter had been the victim, even joking that if he’d come across Candice, she’d kick his butt.

When the couple returned home later, they found their daughter with bruised shoulders and evidence that’d she’d been in a fight for her life.

Candice has been taking martial arts training since she was little, thanks to her father, a kickboxing champion, Lorie said.

“I’ve never been so grateful for that training in my life,” she added.

The family used to live just down the street from Gardner’s mother’s home on Matinal Road in the Westwood neighborhood until they bought a home a few miles away.

Capt. Collins said Candice left town before she could work with police do a composite sketch of the assailant.

Candice’s sister, a senior at Rancho Bernardo High School, wrote an editorial about the ordeal in the school paper, saying police swabbed Candice’s elbow for DNA evidence in hopes of getting a hit. Police did not disclose what evidence was obtained in the case or if any tests were conducted.

April Bosco, PTA president of Westwood Elementary School, which is near Gardner’s home, said she has changed her view of the park.

“My son is starting baseball, and their field is literally next to the place where (Chelsea’s) car was parked,” she said. “My plan was to walk my dog on the trails while my son played, but I won’t be doing it now.”

Bosco and others said the community was not aware of how dangerous the trails could be even after the December attack because it was billed as an attempted robbery, although some residents thought it could have been a sexual assault.

At the time, chain e-mails carrying newspaper reports of the attack circulated in the community through PTAs, residents and neighborhood watch block captains.

Now, after Chelsea’s disappearance, the parents at Westwood are considering a “stranger danger” campaign at school.

“It’s scary. A lot of parents are upset. They’re very upset it’s so close to the school,” she said. “When you walk your children to school in the morning, you walk by (Gardener’s) house everyday, on the same street.

“Quite a few moms are saying, ‘My children will never walk to school alone,’ ” Bosco said. “This is definitely going to tighten the safety situation. It does change the way you live.”

Staff writer Angela Lau contributed to this report.

Kristina Davis: (619) 542-4591; kristina.davis@uniontrib.com


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: sebastian on March 01, 2010, 09:04:07 PM
Channel 8 (KFMB) news at 5:

A shoe, sweatshirt and sunglasses were among the evidence discovered.

There were still nearly 1000 volunteers out today, even with work and school back - the number is NOT much less than it was when people were off over the weekend.

San Diego county is one of the FEW counties in the state of California that is not liberal in their beliefs. People are outraged! People that I know that don't usually follow these cases are contacting me. I think heads may role because of all of this. Maybe this would be the time for lawmakers to try and get some stricter laws passed.
I live in Orange County it is conservative, when my husband went to the bank this afternoon, there was a missing flyer for Chelsea in the window.

Hi Norose,
Yes, Orange county is on the list of few conservative counties. I hope some laws get changed. It is so overdue!


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Shell on March 01, 2010, 09:06:38 PM
they showed a good map on the news. Gosh, it is only a few miles from my house


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: ArmChairAnalysist on March 01, 2010, 09:06:57 PM
Does anyone know if John Gardner's mother has been questioned. She should be telling the police every place this guy has been in the last ten years. If they have lived in RB for the last decade and John lived with them he should know areas of that lake blindfolded. He must have a location where he could go and hide in the park. You would think his mother would want that girl found ASAP especially if she thought she might be alive.

Do we know if he had a job? Do we know who his friends are? If he spent 2000 to 2005 in prison who were is inmates and are they out now?


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Shell on March 01, 2010, 09:11:05 PM

http://www.10news.com/index.html


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: sebastian on March 01, 2010, 09:16:21 PM
Does anyone know if John Gardner's mother has been questioned. She should be telling the police every place this guy has been in the last ten years. If they have lived in RB for the last decade and John lived with them he should know areas of that lake blindfolded. He must have a location where he could go and hide in the park. You would think his mother would want that girl found ASAP especially if she thought she might be alive.

Do we know if he had a job? Do we know who his friends are? If he spent 2000 to 2005 in prison who were is inmates and are they out now?

I too was wondering about his mother. I wonder if she will protect him or urge him to help. Let us hope she is not another "Scott Petersen mother". Too bad when they put him in isolation that could not make a "mistake" and put him with the other inmates. I hate that SO's get isolated!



Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Adam In California on March 01, 2010, 09:23:08 PM
Hey folks - a noob to this site.

Just wanted to post as a Poway parent with kids at Poway High in band with Chelsea.

I have seen posts wanting a change in laws.  Here are two I think need to be considered -

1) If you knowingly house a registered sex offender for more than 4 days a year you should have to report it to local law enforcement, or be considered an accessory to their evasion of registration laws;

2) Sex offenders like Gardner should be subject to mandatory Chemical Castration if they choose to reside in California.  Chemical castration is not castration but instead is the administration of drugs that dampen libido.  The effects aren't permanent but effective at making these cretins more passive.  Of course, the ACLU opposes it as "cruel and unusual punishment" without any basis - all the more reason to support the idea.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: mizjay on March 01, 2010, 09:28:58 PM
Does anyone know if John Gardner's mother has been questioned. She should be telling the police every place this guy has been in the last ten years. If they have lived in RB for the last decade and John lived with them he should know areas of that lake blindfolded. He must have a location where he could go and hide in the park. You would think his mother would want that girl found ASAP especially if she thought she might be alive.

Do we know if he had a job? Do we know who his friends are? If he spent 2000 to 2005 in prison who were is inmates and are they out now?

I too was wondering about his mother. I wonder if she will protect him or urge him to help. Let us hope she is not another "Scott Petersen mother". Too bad when they put him in isolation that could not make a "mistake" and put him with the other inmates. I hate that SO's get isolated!


Yes, wish we knew more about him and hope his family urges him to do the right thing. I'm curious why JG was staying overnight at mom's. Were they even there this weekend?  Did he plan an 'event' for this particular time? If lake Elsinore is his real residence, it's so close why the sleep over?  Lot's of questions.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Shell on March 01, 2010, 09:30:34 PM

In interview of 13 yr olds parents
One parent said they thought daughter was going to lose her eye he beat her so badly.

http://www.10news.com/index.html


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: mizjay on March 01, 2010, 09:31:07 PM
Hey folks - a noob to this site.

Just wanted to post as a Poway parent with kids at Poway High in band with Chelsea.

I have seen posts wanting a change in laws.  Here are two I think need to be considered -

1) If you knowingly house a registered sex offender for more than 4 days a year you should have to report it to local law enforcement, or be considered an accessory to their evasion of registration laws;

2) Sex offenders like Gardner should be subject to mandatory Chemical Castration if they choose to reside in California.  Chemical castration is not castration but instead is the administration of drugs that dampen libido.  The effects aren't permanent but effective at making these cretins more passive.  Of course, the ACLU opposes it as "cruel and unusual punishment" without any basis - all the more reason to support the idea.
Welcome!    I like both of your suggestions, it's time for this to stop.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: theboyzmom on March 01, 2010, 09:32:53 PM
Hey folks - a noob to this site.

Just wanted to post as a Poway parent with kids at Poway High in band with Chelsea.

I have seen posts wanting a change in laws.  Here are two I think need to be considered -

1) If you knowingly house a registered sex offender for more than 4 days a year you should have to report it to local law enforcement, or be considered an accessory to their evasion of registration laws;

2) Sex offenders like Gardner should be subject to mandatory Chemical Castration if they choose to reside in California.  Chemical castration is not castration but instead is the administration of drugs that dampen libido.  The effects aren't permanent but effective at making these cretins more passive.  Of course, the ACLU opposes it as "cruel and unusual punishment" without any basis - all the more reason to support the idea.

Welcome to Sm.

Both are great suggestions.  I would add that anyone convicted as a minor goes on the registry when they hit 18. In Michigan this does not always happen.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: klaasend on March 01, 2010, 09:33:09 PM
Hey folks - a noob to this site.

Just wanted to post as a Poway parent with kids at Poway High in band with Chelsea.

I have seen posts wanting a change in laws.  Here are two I think need to be considered -

1) If you knowingly house a registered sex offender for more than 4 days a year you should have to report it to local law enforcement, or be considered an accessory to their evasion of registration laws;

2) Sex offenders like Gardner should be subject to mandatory Chemical Castration if they choose to reside in California.  Chemical castration is not castration but instead is the administration of drugs that dampen libido.  The effects aren't permanent but effective at making these cretins more passive.  Of course, the ACLU opposes it as "cruel and unusual punishment" without any basis - all the more reason to support the idea.

Welcome Adam!

I agree with your thoughts on sex offenders except that often rape is about power and not sex so castration (chemical or otherwise) often doesn't solve the problem. 


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: klaasend on March 01, 2010, 09:33:48 PM

In interview of 13 yr olds parents
One parent said they thought daughter was going to lose her eye he beat her so badly.

http://www.10news.com/index.html

He's a monster


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Shell on March 01, 2010, 09:41:35 PM
Does anyone know about the technique mentioned that Chelseas dad used to track where the phone was?

Also, they mentioned a program you can use to track down a cell phone location.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Adam In California on March 01, 2010, 09:43:22 PM
Hey folks - a noob to this site.

Just wanted to post as a Poway parent with kids at Poway High in band with Chelsea.

I have seen posts wanting a change in laws.  Here are two I think need to be considered -

1) If you knowingly house a registered sex offender for more than 4 days a year you should have to report it to local law enforcement, or be considered an accessory to their evasion of registration laws;

2) Sex offenders like Gardner should be subject to mandatory Chemical Castration if they choose to reside in California.  Chemical castration is not castration but instead is the administration of drugs that dampen libido.  The effects aren't permanent but effective at making these cretins more passive.  Of course, the ACLU opposes it as "cruel and unusual punishment" without any basis - all the more reason to support the idea.

Welcome Adam!

I agree with your thoughts on sex offenders except that often rape is about power and not sex so castration (chemical or otherwise) often doesn't solve the problem. 

Good point.  Rape is often about power.  I wonder how much of that "power" need stems from testosterone.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: klaasend on March 01, 2010, 09:44:36 PM
Does anyone know about the technique mentioned that Chelseas dad used to track where the phone was?

Also, they mentioned a program you can use to track down a cell phone location.

GPS maybe?

Install a GPS tracker to the phone. GPS chips come in varieties so small, often smaller than a dime, which can be inserted in the back of the phone while the user isn’t paying attention. Once the chip is inserted, it can be powered by the cell phone and is virtually undetectable. Signals can be monitored through a program on your PC. Check out this article for more guidance on how to install GPS tracking devices in cell phones.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 01, 2010, 09:46:08 PM
Hey folks - a noob to this site.

Just wanted to post as a Poway parent with kids at Poway High in band with Chelsea.

I have seen posts wanting a change in laws.  Here are two I think need to be considered -

1) If you knowingly house a registered sex offender for more than 4 days a year you should have to report it to local law enforcement, or be considered an accessory to their evasion of registration laws;

2) Sex offenders like Gardner should be subject to mandatory Chemical Castration if they choose to reside in California.  Chemical castration is not castration but instead is the administration of drugs that dampen libido.  The effects aren't permanent but effective at making these cretins more passive.  Of course, the ACLU opposes it as "cruel and unusual punishment" without any basis - all the more reason to support the idea.
Welcome, and I agree and like those ideas. I could care less what the ACLU likes or doesn't like.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: klaasend on March 01, 2010, 09:46:16 PM
Hey folks - a noob to this site.

Just wanted to post as a Poway parent with kids at Poway High in band with Chelsea.

I have seen posts wanting a change in laws.  Here are two I think need to be considered -

1) If you knowingly house a registered sex offender for more than 4 days a year you should have to report it to local law enforcement, or be considered an accessory to their evasion of registration laws;

2) Sex offenders like Gardner should be subject to mandatory Chemical Castration if they choose to reside in California.  Chemical castration is not castration but instead is the administration of drugs that dampen libido.  The effects aren't permanent but effective at making these cretins more passive.  Of course, the ACLU opposes it as "cruel and unusual punishment" without any basis - all the more reason to support the idea.

Welcome Adam!

I agree with your thoughts on sex offenders except that often rape is about power and not sex so castration (chemical or otherwise) often doesn't solve the problem. 

Good point.  Rape is often about power.  I wonder how much of that "power" need stems from testosterone.

Also, if you look at Gardner, he appears to have an unusually thick neck like a weight lifter.  Could he be on steroids?


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: theboyzmom on March 01, 2010, 09:49:07 PM
Does anyone know about the technique mentioned that Chelseas dad used to track where the phone was?

Also, they mentioned a program you can use to track down a cell phone location.

GPS maybe?

Install a GPS tracker to the phone. GPS chips come in varieties so small, often smaller than a dime, which can be inserted in the back of the phone while the user isn’t paying attention. Once the chip is inserted, it can be powered by the cell phone and is virtually undetectable. Signals can be monitored through a program on your PC. Check out this article for more guidance on how to install GPS tracking devices in cell phones.

Most phones have GPS built in - I know verizon offers a program to let you track other phones - I have it on my kid's phone and I can even set up zones and alerts to let me know when he gets places like school or home. Of course it depends on the phone being on.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Shell on March 01, 2010, 09:50:29 PM

I sure would like to know what gym he frequents, if any. That is so creepy if he does. Women go to the gym alone at all hours of the day.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: klaasend on March 01, 2010, 09:52:05 PM
Shell:

http://www.cbs8.com/Global/story.asp?S=12048619

Missing Poway teen's parents recount ordeal; suspect remains jailed
Posted: Feb 25, 2010 11:50 PM PST Updated: Mar 01, 2010 6:04 PM PST


SAN DIEGO (AP) - Brent and Kelly King knew something was wrong when they discovered their 17-year-old daughter Chelsea wasn't home.

They called her cell phone then her friends. They tried an AT&T Web site and learned her phone had been left inside her 1994 BMW in Rancho Bernardo Community Park, a giant, wooded area on the northern edge of San Diego.

(snipped)

http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-10219786-94.html

AT&T Family Tracking Service


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Shell on March 01, 2010, 09:52:41 PM
Klaas, I am not sure if it was here on SM or a news article I read. It said one of Chelseas friends mom told them of how to track the cell using some AT % T method?

I will have to hunt for that...  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Shell on March 01, 2010, 09:55:48 PM
Klaas to the rescue...again! I want to know more about that.

News said next week a lady who teaches self defense is going to have classes and donate proceeds to the search for Chelsea fund.  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: klaasend on March 01, 2010, 10:00:17 PM
http://www.nctimes.com/news/local/sdcounty/article_505a6408-7785-5fcb-91f0-62d8aade0e97.html

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REGION: Search continues for Chelsea King; suspect faces murder, rape charges

News report: Victim's underwear found in Lake Hodges area


Staff and wire reports | Posted: March 1, 2010 3:11 pm

The search for a missing Poway girl is continuing despite the arrest of a registered sex offender Sunday in connection with her disappearance.

Thirty-year-old John Albert Gardner III of Lakeland Village near Lake Elsinore was booked into county jail on charges of murder and rape, according to the San Diego County Sheriff's Department.

Ten years ago, Gardner pleaded guilty to charges related to the sexual assault of a Rancho Bernardo girl, according to court records.

Chelsea King, 17, disappeared Thursday after going for a run near Lake Hodges at Rancho Bernardo Community Park in San Diego, a popular regional park full of running trails. Her car, with her cell phone and iPod inside, were found later that night.

Search and rescue personnel on Monday morning and afternoon focused their search on the north shore of Lake Hodges, near Hernandez's Hideaway restaurant where Gardner was arrested Sunday afternoon.
(snipped)


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: klaasend on March 01, 2010, 10:02:44 PM
Klaas to the rescue...again! I want to know more about that.

News said next week a lady who teaches self defense is going to have classes and donate proceeds to the search for Chelsea fund.  ::MonkeyCool::

Look's pretty simple.  If you have AT&T service they will track down the phone for you.  I'm sure normally it would take some paperwork and time but Chelsea's family probably got preferential treatment since she is missing.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: klaasend on March 01, 2010, 10:09:39 PM
http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local-beat/Parents-Friends-Hold-Out-Hope.html

(http://media.nbcsandiego.com/images/410*307/MISSING_GIRL_PARENTS.jpg)

Parents, Friends Hold Out Hope
Chelsea King's parents share their heartache and hope

By ARTIE OJEDA and MONICA DEAN
Updated 2:41 PM PST, Mon, Mar 1, 2010

Brent and Kelly King know they have to be strong. But there is no hiding the despair and pain of living without their missing daughter.

"I can't begin to describe the depth of sorrow. It's been a nightmare," said Kelly King. "There's no other way to put it. It's your worst nightmare."

"My body hasn't stopped shaking since I came to the realization of what was occurring," said Brent King. "You just feel a complete amount of emptiness and helplessness."

The King's last saw their daughter Wednesday. They say she performed in a school concert that night, and then woke up early Thursday morning to attend a peer counseling meeting at Poway High School at 6:15 a.m.

Chelsea King's Parents: 'Baby Girl, We Love You'


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Edward on March 01, 2010, 10:11:47 PM
About Gardner parents...

He/she is proably humiliated/mortified at there sons actions.. or in disbelief.
Maybe in fear of him.. Maybe lie cheat and steal for him, I do not know.

I have seen wonderful families turn out rotten kids at times, even when raised in a peaceful loving environment or having the luxury of a beautiful healthy life.   
I have seen kids that grew up in the worst of environments, then walk out into the world and make wonderful lives for themselves. I have also seen some repeat the pattern learned from growing up in such a rough environment. AND continuing the cycle..

Sometimes
Poor families turn out rotten kids.
Rich families turn out rotten kids.
The worst are or can be, Sociopath young adults developed over time or the "Bad Sead" from birth.. Self centered, smart, devious and are more then capable of violent acts towards others. They never take responsibility, they relish the idea to cause harm or pain to others. We have seen many such people in cases we research on..

Good or Bad, Rich or Poor. Both types of families turn out great, wonderful, well rounded young adults TOO.. Lots of them do. 90 % or more of all families.

Luck of the draw.. from mental health or physical health when you have a child.
How they develop is so important..But that is not all of it. So many factors come into play because the parent can not pick friends when they get older or what the child's mind decides to focus on. Drugs, useage and selling..Girls..Gambling..Robbery, from every level.. many more things too, like gaming and how that effects the mind or music, movies, advertising too.
 This is a fact. The outside world has influence on the mind.
 
The parent does also and has a responsibility to offer that child a wonderful environment.
Cigarettes..Drinking..Women or Men..Gambling..Drugs It has an influence...
They do not issue parent licenses.. there is no school required. You can have a child when you are a child..Everything is normal.. Thank God for the T.V. show
" The Nanny " ::MonkeyWink::
 
I imagine you have seen in others, the same things in your life experience while growing also.

My point,
I feel sorry for the parents of this suspect, there son, until they alter that in me.




Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: klaasend on March 01, 2010, 10:17:40 PM
Gardner

(http://www.sandiego6.com/media/lib/38/b/8/e/b8e5c153-4863-4582-8317-a88d8b0972a9/Original.jpg)

Searching in the lake


(http://www.sandiego6.com/media/lib/38/5/9/8/598240da-1a81-478b-ba46-c8c54bc98bd0/Original.jpg)


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Northern Rose on March 01, 2010, 10:27:00 PM
Search for Chelsea King: Monday

http://www.signonsandiego.com/photos/galleries/2010/mar/01/monday-search/


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: mizjay on March 01, 2010, 10:27:56 PM
Respectfully Edward I do not feel sorry for the parents until they alter that for me. Maybe I've been jaded by following the Anthony's too much or Scott Peterson, but like I said last night, not one red flag when at least 2 horrendous things happen when your felon RSO son is visiting. it sounds that very likely he was the guy in the earlier incident and he is the guy in this crime.  He was young when his first known offense occurred, it was brutal, he showed no remorse. Even if it was my own, even if he kinda scared me, if he was in my home while thousands are decending in the park right behind my house, helicopters flying, I think I would have to consider the possibility that he might be involved.
Maybe they did, maybe they didn't know what to do..that's my point, until they convey that or at least public sympathy for Chelsea's family I'm not willing to feel sorry for them.   agree to disagree


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: klaasend on March 01, 2010, 10:36:33 PM
Search for Chelsea King: Monday

http://www.signonsandiego.com/photos/galleries/2010/mar/01/monday-search/

Great photos, thanks!


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Tracygirl on March 01, 2010, 10:42:06 PM
OMGosh the tale of what that poor girl went through in December. He is brazen and if you ask me you don't go from holding a young girl in an apartment to doing that on a public trail. He has had some practice. There are more victims....


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Shell on March 01, 2010, 10:42:13 PM
Gardner

(http://www.sandiego6.com/media/lib/38/b/8/e/b8e5c153-4863-4582-8317-a88d8b0972a9/Original.jpg)

Searching in the lake


(http://www.sandiego6.com/media/lib/38/5/9/8/598240da-1a81-478b-ba46-c8c54bc98bd0/Original.jpg)

For a second there, I thought the photo on the top was of Joran  ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: mizjay on March 01, 2010, 10:47:43 PM
OMGosh the tale of what that poor girl went through in December. He is brazen and if you ask me you don't go from holding a young girl in an apartment to doing that on a public trail. He has had some practice. There are more victims....

I agree with you. I think there will be several, time will tell, but IF we are right, how sad that he has been able to evade LE and these poor girls pay the price.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Shell on March 01, 2010, 11:04:46 PM
Hundreds of volunteers showed up this morning at a search center behind a Citibank off Bernardo Center Drive, eager to help in the efforts to locate the teen. Law enforcement officials gathered them into groups and assigned them various locales to comb.

The "aggressive ongoing search" will continue for "the foreseeable future," sheriff's spokeswoman Jan Caldwell told reporters during a late-afternoon briefing near the lake.

The teams were contending with dense brush, heavy reeds, large rocks and snakes, according to Caldwell.

"They're going slowly for safety but also slowly to make sure they cover every square inch," she said.

Gloria Kendall, 55, of Escondido was part of a team of about 20 people who searched an undeveloped area off Espola Road in Poway. They looked through heavy foliage and around ponds, Kendall said.

"They tagged a shirt and some bones," she added.

Carlos Lindsey, a 53-year-old San Diegan, has helped search swamps, orchards and hillsides over the last three days. He called the turnout "unbelievable for a Monday."

Dive teams, meanwhile, waded and swam through the shallows of Lake Hodges (Map D). An FBI dive team from Los Angeles used sonar to look for evidence.

"We're hoping with this technology it will make finding Chelsea faster," the sheriff's spokeswoman said.
http://www.sandiego6.com/news/local/story/Chelsea-King-missing-Poway-Rancho-Bernardo-jogging/zTLAKar0XUGyf78trbfHvg.cspx


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: AmandaReckonwith on March 01, 2010, 11:13:48 PM
http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Chelsea%20King/?action=view&current=22-1.jpg

http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Chelsea%20King/?action=view&current=24-1.jpg

Gardner being arrested at Hernandez Hideaway


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: mizjay on March 01, 2010, 11:29:39 PM
I wonder if criminals always keep the same pattern?  In the one he was convicted for, he didn't drive the victim to a remote location. He took her to his home. If he followed the same pattern with this one,  it could be possible that he parked near a trail head, and took Chelsea from there. It doesn't explain why her panties were found there unless he put them there on purpose, in the lake. If he's been offending in plain sight for years, seems like a risky move to assault her for more than  a few minutes right there near trails,  I hope he didn't plant evidence to misdirect the search.    With the FBI involved, surely they can figure him and his nasty mindset out.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Northern Rose on March 01, 2010, 11:33:02 PM
Jogger ID's Sex Offender In King Case As Park Attacker
Candice Moncayo Identifies John Gardner As Man Who Attacked Her In Dec.

http://www.10news.com/news/22710735/detail.html


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: klaasend on March 01, 2010, 11:33:12 PM
http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Chelsea%20King/?action=view&current=22-1.jpg

http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Chelsea%20King/?action=view&current=24-1.jpg

Gardner being arrested at Hernandez Hideaway

Amanda
- on the previous page I have a clearer shot of Gardner being arrested.  You might want to grab that one.

By the way, I am amazed at all the photos you manage to get in all of these different cases.  You are amazing!


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: AmandaReckonwith on March 01, 2010, 11:33:38 PM
(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Chelsea%20King/Integrascan.jpg)


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: AmandaReckonwith on March 01, 2010, 11:34:52 PM
http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Chelsea%20King/?action=view&current=22-1.jpg

http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Chelsea%20King/?action=view&current=24-1.jpg

Gardner being arrested at Hernandez Hideaway

Amanda
- on the previous page I have a clearer shot of Gardner being arrested.  You might want to grab that one.

By the way, I am amazed at all the photos you manage to get in all of these different cases.  You are amazing!

TY klaasend, I will go check and find it. And TY for the compliment!


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: piwannaberookie on March 01, 2010, 11:41:02 PM
Hey folks - a noob to this site.

Just wanted to post as a Poway parent with kids at Poway High in band with Chelsea.

I have seen posts wanting a change in laws.  Here are two I think need to be considered -

1) If you knowingly house a registered sex offender for more than 4 days a year you should have to report it to local law enforcement, or be considered an accessory to their evasion of registration laws;

2) Sex offenders like Gardner should be subject to mandatory Chemical Castration if they choose to reside in California.  Chemical castration is not castration but instead is the administration of drugs that dampen libido.  The effects aren't permanent but effective at making these cretins more passive.  Of course, the ACLU opposes it as "cruel and unusual punishment" without any basis - all the more reason to support the idea.

Welcome Adam!

I agree with your thoughts on sex offenders except that often rape is about power and not sex so castration (chemical or otherwise) often doesn't solve the problem. 

Good point.  Rape is often about power.  I wonder how much of that "power" need stems from testosterone.

Also, if you look at Gardner, he appears to have an unusually thick neck like a weight lifter.  Could he be on steroids?

Maybe Gardner has ties to the military, semper fidelis, maybe, maybe not, he has a big white truck in his driveway but doesnt look like it has any stickers on it. 


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Shell on March 01, 2010, 11:45:50 PM
http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Chelsea%20King/?action=view&current=22-1.jpg

http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Chelsea%20King/?action=view&current=24-1.jpg

Gardner being arrested at Hernandez Hideaway

San Diego County Sheriff Bill Gore, Kelly King, Brent King speak to GMA about Chelsea. (In this photo, the Sheriff and Brent King are both holding Kelly Kings hand.) What a touching photo.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: klaasend on March 01, 2010, 11:48:11 PM
http://www.sdnn.com/sandiego/2010-03-01/local-county-news/search-continues-for-17-year-old-chelsea-king-no-body-found-sheriffs-department-says

Chelsea King, 17, still missing; search is ‘aggressive, ongoing’

(http://www.sdnn.com/files/2010/03/Missing-Teen_Pena-284x400.jpg)



Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: piwannaberookie on March 01, 2010, 11:50:25 PM
(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Chelsea%20King/Integrascan.jpg)

Wow, what happened?


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Northern Rose on March 01, 2010, 11:52:46 PM
(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Chelsea%20King/Integrascan.jpg)

His leaner pictures could be the Walmart guy that tried to molest the girl in the bathroom around the time Amber went missing. 


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: AmandaReckonwith on March 01, 2010, 11:57:27 PM
steroids?


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: piwannaberookie on March 01, 2010, 11:59:11 PM
He looks almost like the Temecula Serial Bank Robber... I don't mean to go off topic but maybe that is how he makes his money..?


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: piwannaberookie on March 02, 2010, 12:04:31 AM
http://www.riversidesheriff.org/press/sws10-0218.htm Temecula serial robber. 2007-2010, committed 5 robberies. Just a thought....


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: AmandaReckonwith on March 02, 2010, 12:12:09 AM
He has a very distinctive beard line.
Like an upside-down heart shape from the bottom of his nose to where his beard grows in.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: klaasend on March 02, 2010, 12:12:33 AM
PIWanna - I think Gardner's neck is bigger.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Northern Rose on March 02, 2010, 12:15:31 AM
(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Chelsea%20King/Integrascan.jpg)

His leaner pictures could be the Walmart guy that tried to molest the girl in the bathroom around the time Amber went missing. 

Here is the Walmart Molester.  Can anyone zoom in on his face?

http://www.sandiego6.com/Photo.aspx?content_id=2d94a10c-614b-4642-805a-ecf0bf6c1b66


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: piwannaberookie on March 02, 2010, 12:22:23 AM
That walmart molester, he kind of looks hispanic and a little bit shorter, like 5'6, I can't even zoom in, I have a magnifying glass lol,  I should try it. There are so many sex offenders and there are a lot that look like the walmart molester, and then you got gardner and he looks like 3 different people.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Northern Rose on March 02, 2010, 12:25:21 AM
That walmart molester, he kind of looks hispanic and a little bit shorter, like 5'6, I can't even zoom in, I have a magnifying glass lol,  I should try it. There are so many sex offenders and there are a lot that look like the walmart molester, and then you got gardner and he looks like 3 different people.

<snipped>

The man is described as white, 25 to 30 years old and about 6 feet tall, with a medium build and short, brown hair. He wore a blue, short-sleeved shirt and jeans.

http://www3.signonsandiego.com/news/2009/may/21/1m21pubsafe234320-public-safety/


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Northern Rose on March 02, 2010, 12:26:36 AM
That walmart molester, he kind of looks hispanic and a little bit shorter, like 5'6, I can't even zoom in, I have a magnifying glass lol,  I should try it. There are so many sex offenders and there are a lot that look like the walmart molester, and then you got gardner and he looks like 3 different people.

<snipped>

The man is described as white, 25 to 30 years old and about 6 feet tall, with a medium build and short, brown hair. He wore a blue, short-sleeved shirt and jeans.

http://www3.signonsandiego.com/news/2009/may/21/1m21pubsafe234320-public-safety/

The police news release on the Walmart Molester

www.sandiego.gov/police/about/media/pdf/2009/walmart288suspect.pdf


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: piwannaberookie on March 02, 2010, 12:27:06 AM
i guess you could be right.. when are they going to ID him to the victims of the walmart molestation...


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: klaasend on March 02, 2010, 12:27:49 AM
Doesn't look like Gardner to me.  He doesn't look like he lifts weights.

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub8/walmartmolester.jpg)


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Edward on March 02, 2010, 12:28:33 AM
Respectfully Edward I do not feel sorry for the parents until they alter that for me. Maybe I've been jaded by following the Anthony's too much or Scott Peterson, but like I said last night, not one red flag when at least 2 horrendous things happen when your felon RSO son is visiting. it sounds that very likely he was the guy in the earlier incident and he is the guy in this crime.  He was young when his first known offense occurred, it was brutal, he showed no remorse. Even if it was my own, even if he kinda scared me, if he was in my home while thousands are decending in the park right behind my house, helicopters flying, I think I would have to consider the possibility that he might be involved.
Maybe they did, maybe they didn't know what to do..that's my point, until they convey that or at least public sympathy for Chelsea's family I'm not willing to feel sorry for them.   agree to disagree

Some very good points I had not considered.
Thank you for you perspective ..

Why didn't they call.



Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Edward on March 02, 2010, 12:29:57 AM
OR Maybe they did..



Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Edward on March 02, 2010, 12:31:56 AM
(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Chelsea%20King/trailmap.jpg)



Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Tracygirl on March 02, 2010, 12:34:50 AM
That walmart molester, he kind of looks hispanic and a little bit shorter, like 5'6, I can't even zoom in, I have a magnifying glass lol,  I should try it. There are so many sex offenders and there are a lot that look like the walmart molester, and then you got gardner and he looks like 3 different people.

<snipped>

The man is described as white, 25 to 30 years old and about 6 feet tall, with a medium build and short, brown hair. He wore a blue, short-sleeved shirt and jeans.

http://www3.signonsandiego.com/news/2009/may/21/1m21pubsafe234320-public-safety/

compare the arrest pic and the walmart pic, the hair style is closer and also he has sunglasses on. It could be, not sure though.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Edward on March 02, 2010, 12:35:05 AM
(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Chelsea%20King/ck-1.jpg)

Whom ever crankycrankerson is, Thank you  ::MonkeyCool::

What a brilliant determined and focused young lady.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Northern Rose on March 02, 2010, 12:37:02 AM
First a jog, then a deepening sense of dread

Four days after Chelsea King's disappearance, her family, along with hundreds of volunteers, was still searching. But their hopes of finding her alive dimmed with the arrest of a sex offender.

(http://www.latimes.com/media/photo/2010-03/52512720.jpg)
Volunteers examine a backpack discovered near Lake Hodges. Friends and relatives described Chelsea as an outgoing overachiever with a passion for literature who had been accepted to several colleges. (Don Bartletti / Los Angeles Times)


Reporting from Poway, Calif. - The day started out like so many others for Chelsea King. The high school senior, a straight-A student, finished classes and went for a jog Thursday on the hilly trails around Lake Hodges in northern San Diego County.

A cross-country team member, the 17-year-old enjoyed taking long runs, but by early evening she still wasn't home. Her father, Brent King, went to the parking lot near the trail head and found her car, still locked.

Something was definitely wrong.

"He started running down that trail looking for her," David Mikkelson, a family friend, said Monday.

Four days after her disappearance, the King family, along with hundreds of law enforcement authorities and volunteers, were still searching for the blond, blue-eyed girl. But their hopes of finding her alive dimmed after police arrested a registered sex offender Sunday evening outside a Mexican restaurant near the popular recreational area.

The suspect, John Albert Gardner III, 30, was jailed on suspicion of murder and rape after investigators found several pieces of unspecified evidence. He has not been charged. Gardner, 6 feet 2 and 230 pounds, pleaded guilty in 2000 to molestation charges involving a 13-year-old girl.

A psychiatrist at the time recommended that Gardner be given the maximum sentence, which was at least 10 years. San Diego County prosecutors recommended a six-year term. "It is my opinion that [the defendant would be a continued danger to underage [girls] in the community," said the psychiatrist in the court documents.

Authorities were not sure Monday how much time Gardner actually served in prison. According to the Megan's Law website, he lives in Lake Elsinore, in Riverside County, but was visiting his mother in San Diego County last week. At the time of his arrest, Gardner's pants were damp, authorities said.

It was not clear Monday if Gardner was providing any information regarding Chelsea's whereabouts. Authorities were focused on the 14 miles of shoreline of the shallow lake, where FBI dive teams on rafts scoured the murky water. Hundreds more volunteers searched the desolate trails winding around the lake.

"It's rugged terrain: sloughs, rocks, vegetation, hills. It's not easy, but it's not deterring them," said Jan Caldwell, a spokesman for the San Diego County Sheriff's Department.

Friends and relatives described Chelsea as an outgoing overachiever with a passion for literature who had been accepted to several colleges. She played French horn for the San Diego Youth Symphony and tutored other students.

Her parents, who live in a gated community, didn't like her to jog alone. It was one of the few rules they had to set for their daughter. "They wanted her to study less and have more fun," Mikkelson said.

Stephanie Dorian, a cousin, said Chelsea ran regularly, with no iPod -- "a purist," she said -- and kept a vegetarian diet as part of her healthful lifestyle. "She is as stellar as they come. . . . She is one of the perfect kids. I know it sounds cliche, but it's true," Dorian said.

The case prompted an outpouring of support in the middle-class community about 20 miles north of San Diego. Students at Poway High School wore blue shirts evoking Chelsea's blue eyes. A bank parking lot was turned into a search center where hundreds of volunteers were broken into teams and dispatched to different areas.

Among those searching was Maurice Dubois, 40, whose daughter, Amber, disappeared in the same area a year ago. He said investigators told him Monday that his daughter, who was 14 when she disappeared, might be one of Gardner's victims.

Dubois wants closure but dreads the possible outcome of the investigation, for the King family and for himself. "I don't want to find a connection, certainty after seeing what this monster is capable of," Dubois said.

In 2000, Gardner picked up an eighth-grader at a bus stop in San Diego County and assaulted her at his house, punching her several times after she tried to prevent him from pulling her pants down.

Gardner "was suffocating me. He had his hand on my mouth, and I couldn't breathe, and I got pretty fuzzy after he hit me, and I'm not sure if I blacked out," said the victim, according to the sentencing memorandum.

Prosecutors recommended a six-year prison term because Gardner had no criminal record, but they expressed concern.

"Defendant's lack of remorse in the face of overwhelming evidence of guilt and his prior admissions of committing the crime show that he can be expected to re-offend when he gets the opportunity to do so," said the prosecutor, then-Deputy Dist. Atty. David Hendren.

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-missing-arrest2-2010mar02,0,2987218.story


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Edward on March 02, 2010, 12:38:15 AM
if hew was the walmart guy he would own a red truck...


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Northern Rose on March 02, 2010, 12:39:18 AM
if hew was the walmart guy he would own a red truck...

or have access to one.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Shell on March 02, 2010, 12:43:29 AM

Have we heard if they searched his condo/apartment? at 1050 Rock Springs Rd in Escondido?

1050 Rock Springs rd #113, Escondido, Ca 92026

I googled 1050 Rock Springs Rd and it came up with a site that had a birds eye view. I do not know how to bring it over here


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Edward on March 02, 2010, 12:46:12 AM
Those volunteers broke the rule of search
Do not touch possible evidence.

What color was the backpack Amber was wearing ?

They should treat all finds as evidence because of 2 missing girls.
He could have brought Amber here.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Northern Rose on March 02, 2010, 12:46:16 AM
Neighbors react to arrest in missing teen case (video)

A sex offender from southwest Riverside County was being held Monday on suspicion of murder and rape in the disappearance of a 17-year-old San Diego County girl last week.

A massive search for Chelsea King was under way Monday as authorities questioned John Albert Gardner III, 30, who was arrested Sunday at a restaurant in Escondido and was being held without bail.

Steve Walker, a spokesman for the San Diego County district attorney's office, said a decision on charges would be made by Wednesday.

The Poway teen disappeared Thursday after going for a run near Lake Hodges at Rancho Bernardo Community Park in San Diego, a regional park full of trails. Her BMW, with her cell phone and iPod inside, was found later.

Sheriff William Gore, appearing Monday with the girl's parents on ABC's "Good Morning America," said Gardner was arrested after investigators discovered a piece of physical evidence linking him to the case. He did not elaborate.

"We're confident that we have the right man in custody," Gore said. "Now we've just got to find Chelsea."

Investigators also suspect Gardner could be tied to a Dec. 27 assault on a female jogger from Colorado who fended off her attacker in the same park.

SEX OFFENDER

Gardner was required to register as a sex offender because of a San Diego County conviction for lewd or lascivious acts with a child under 14. Gardner lives in Lakeland Village, an unincorporated area outside Lake Elsinore. His mother lives in San Diego County.

San Diego County court records show Gardner was sentenced to six years in prison in 2000 for molesting a 13-year-old who lived near his San Diego County townhouse. The girl said he invited her to his home to watch a movie, then began to touch and kiss her, pulling down her pants despite her protests, court records show. Gardner hit the girl repeatedly in the face as he sexually assaulted her. Eventually, the girl ran to a neighbor's home for help.

A psychiatrist who interviewed Gardner at the time said he "would be a continued danger to underage girls in the community" and recommended the "maximum sentence allowed by law," court records show.

Gardner pleaded guilty to committing lewd acts on a child, court records show. He was released from prison in September 2005 after serving about five years and was on parole until Sept. 26, 2008, according to the California Department of Corrections.

Gardner also has a 1998 conviction for disturbing the peace in the San Bernardino County community of Twin Peaks, court records show.

Inland Connection

On Sunday, investigators searched Gardner's home in the 33200 block of Gillette Street. Authorities also searched his mother's San Diego home, said San Diego County Sheriff's Department spokeswoman Jan Caldwell.

On Monday, journalists and TV news vans lined Gillette Street in a blue-collar neighborhood of older homes overlooking the lake. No one answered the door at Gardner's two-story, gray stucco house, but neighbors said he lives there with his grandmother and another couple. They had seen him outside in recent months working on a Cadillac.

Vern Ray, 63, a next-door neighbor, said Gardner stayed off and on at the house. Gardner often helped with household tasks and yard work. Ray said the grandmother, whose name he did not know, is in the hospital. .The family moved in six to eight months ago, Ray said.

"They were quiet people," Ray said. "Sometimes they'd have a beer in the backyard and get a little rambunctious."

Linda Terrill, 45, who lives up the street, said FBI agents watched the house for a few hours on Sunday afternoon, then battered in the door. She, her housemate and relatives who live down the street recognized Gardner when agents showed them his photograph.

"It's kind of scary because we have teenage nieces who walk the street all the time," said Terrill's housemate, Cathy Pozza, 50.

The neighbors said they check the Megan's Law Web site to keep track of area sex offenders, but they were not aware Gardner was one.

"You never know who's living next door to you," said Terrill's mother, Barbara Terrill. "You could have Jack the Ripper."

A search involving 1,500 law enforcement personnel, dogs and volunteers failed to find Chelsea on Sunday. About 100 agents searched a rugged, four-square-mile area of the park on Monday. The FBI used sonar equipment to search Lake Hodges and 14 miles of shoreline.

The search for the straight-A senior at Poway High School also took to the Internet, where a Web site was created at findchelsea.com

Chelsea's parents, Brent and Kelly King, said they last saw their daughter when she went to bed about 9:30 p.m. Wednesday after playing French horn in a school concert.

"She is one of the most driven, personable, caring people that you could ever meet," Brent King said. "Her goal in life is to brighten everyone's day. That's what she does, and when she walks into the room, you know she's there."

http://www.pe.com/localnews/rivcounty/stories/PE_News_Local_S_webarrest.19a1ee9.html


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Northern Rose on March 02, 2010, 12:49:04 AM
Those volunteers broke the rule of search
Do not touch possible evidence.

What color was the backpack Amber was wearing ?

They should treat all finds as evidence because of 2 missing girls.
He could have brought Amber here.

I think it was a black shoulder bag


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: mizjay on March 02, 2010, 12:55:08 AM
OR Maybe they did..


yes, maybe.  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: sebastian on March 02, 2010, 12:56:15 AM
If I missed it, I apologize. Have they released what type of vehicle that JAG drove?


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: sebastian on March 02, 2010, 01:02:05 AM
OR Maybe they did..


yes, maybe.  ::MonkeyCool::

I think you are right Edward, that good people can have bad kids and bad people can have good kids. When it comes to sex crimes, I always wonder if something took place in the home to make the perp that way. This is based on statistics. Then of course I get suspicious of the parents. I probably should not do that. There could be other reasons this sicko became the way that he is. I just hope that his parents did not turn a blind eye to anything suspicious of late. I have not heard so far that he has some high power attorney. Perhaps his family is not lending assistance and is letting him rot. We just do not know.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: mizjay on March 02, 2010, 01:03:13 AM

Have we heard if they searched his condo/apartment? at 1050 Rock Springs Rd in Escondido?

1050 Rock Springs rd #113, Escondido, Ca 92026

I googled 1050 Rock Springs Rd and it came up with a site that had a birds eye view. I do not know how to bring it over here

Haven't heard but sure wish they would, especially in regards to the Amber possible connection, geez, what am I saying..in regards to either girls or any more we don't know about


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Edward on March 02, 2010, 01:08:44 AM
(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Chelsea%20King/25047_10150105046490018_737900017_1.jpg)



Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Edward on March 02, 2010, 01:12:06 AM
On the subject of wet pant legs..

It could happen when you launch or want to jump out of a boat near shoreline like a 12 foot row boat.

scott peterson style of body disposal..

But then there would be a boat. ? where is it ??

OR He could have just been wadeing for crawdads. ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: sebastian on March 02, 2010, 01:20:05 AM
On the subject of wet pant legs..

It could happen when you launch or want to jump out of a boat near shoreline like a 12 foot row boat.

scott peterson style of body disposal..

But then there would be a boat. ? where is it ??

OR He could have just been wadeing for crawdads. ::MonkeyWink::

I wish we had crawdads in our area, lol! None that I am aware of! When I was driving around today I saw water everywhere. Again, we have had a lot of rain lately. All I could think of was "she could be anywhere". There is a stream that now has quite a bit of water in it around Del Dios. Then there is the fact that part of Lake Hodges is nothing but mud and trees as the water level has been really low for years in some parts. Maybe he did not put her in the lake as he was afraid that she would re-surface. I am thinking that he buried her. But where? I wonder if TES has been using their drones in all of this?


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Edward on March 02, 2010, 01:20:49 AM
This computer I am on tonight is way to slow..

I was trying to get the map to pin his home in Escondido as well as the high school and vista way..then the cell tower and lake hodges where his parents live. draw a circle around th whole mess and we will have.. a mess... lol...no.... a search area. refined.
I am thinking of Amber because I am positive they will find Chelsea.
He is gone gone gone when they do..He will get the DEATH penalty and all of us can fight over who gets to throw the electrical switch on that chair..

BRING BACK THE ELECTRIC CHAIR !! LEAVE HIS HOOD OFF.  ::MonkeyDevil::

Piece of white trash garbage.




Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: sebastian on March 02, 2010, 01:26:56 AM
I keep thinking of Amber too. Escondido High School would have been the closest high school to Rock Springs if he was out trolling for victims. I wish I could help you with the map, but I would not even know how to begin to do that!


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: crazybabyborg on March 02, 2010, 01:27:13 AM
Hey folks - a noob to this site.

Just wanted to post as a Poway parent with kids at Poway High in band with Chelsea.

I have seen posts wanting a change in laws.  Here are two I think need to be considered -

1) If you knowingly house a registered sex offender for more than 4 days a year you should have to report it to local law enforcement, or be considered an accessory to their evasion of registration laws;

2) Sex offenders like Gardner should be subject to mandatory Chemical Castration if they choose to reside in California.  Chemical castration is not castration but instead is the administration of drugs that dampen libido.  The effects aren't permanent but effective at making these cretins more passive.  Of course, the ACLU opposes it as "cruel and unusual punishment" without any basis - all the more reason to support the idea.

Please excuse the "retro" posting but I just to had to comment on this excellent post! I soooo agree with it!  Thumbs up, Adam, and welcome to Scared Monkeys! :bigup:

Preventive measures are so important and one of the few tools available to combat an epidemic of crimes against children, IMO!


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Shell on March 02, 2010, 01:32:19 AM

Edward, there is a condo for sale at 1050 Rock Springs Rd and a photo of it. I imagine his place would look about the same. Did you see the bird's eye view of 1050 Rock Springs Rd?

He lived in Lake Elsinore, with G Ma and another couple, spent time at his Moms, and had a place in Escondido. If he had been living there too, doesn't it seem like we would hear they searched it?


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: mizjay on March 02, 2010, 01:38:02 AM

Edward, there is a condo for sale at 1050 Rock Springs Rd and a photo of it. I imagine his place would look about the same. Did you see the bird's eye view of 1050 Rock Springs Rd?

He lived in Lake Elsinore, with G Ma and another couple, spent time at his Moms, and had a place in Escondido. If he had been living there too, doesn't it seem like we would hear they searched it?
Maybe they can't search it without some definitive connection to THIS crime. Do they need to find a reason to search a place he supposedly used to live in? I didn't quite understand the post backthread about IntegraScan's listing about that address. How long ago did he live there, do we know?


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: crazybabyborg on March 02, 2010, 01:39:28 AM
(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Chelsea%20King/Integrascan.jpg)

His leaner pictures could be the Walmart guy that tried to molest the girl in the bathroom around the time Amber went missing. 

I'm going to remember this line up of pictures. There have been many times with the missing children cases that we have attempted to determine identification of someone by looking at ears in comparison. In the above lineup, I'm not sure I'd make a match of the first pic with the others based on the ears. The chin and eyebrows are pretty consistent throughout, as well as the mouth. Weight really makes a difference, doesn't it!


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Edward on March 02, 2010, 01:40:40 AM
I have not herd of a search.. F.B.I. is swarming..I hope they swarm all over to escondido and invade that apartment or condo he was staying at.

F.B.I. get a clue.. Help Solve This One !!

We are looking for any girlfrinds he may have had.. Amber had on a necklace possible rings and such..PLUS Her Cell Phone.. The F.B.I. is supposed to be able to find that phone on or off.

We have ALL the professionals in one place.

God Help Them and Gods speed to put him away for good.

 


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Shell on March 02, 2010, 01:43:11 AM

Edward, there is a condo for sale at 1050 Rock Springs Rd and a photo of it. I imagine his place would look about the same. Did you see the bird's eye view of 1050 Rock Springs Rd?

He lived in Lake Elsinore, with G Ma and another couple, spent time at his Moms, and had a place in Escondido. If he had been living there too, doesn't it seem like we would hear they searched it?
Maybe they can't search it without some definitive connection to THIS crime. Do they need to find a reason to search a place he supposedly used to live in? I didn't quite understand the post backthread about IntegraScan's listing about that address. How long ago did he live there, do we know?

That is what I would like to know. The post said IntegraScan called to tell a detective about the address in Esc they had for Gardner and they would not put the call through. Has anyone else mentioned another address for him? Maybe IS had the wrong info. Time will tell.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: ArmChairAnalysist on March 02, 2010, 01:44:24 AM
As a parent myself and with all my faults I do know the difference between right and wrong. If I taught this to my child (I did) and they did not learn from my example (to those who don't understand watch the "Bad Seed" black and with version) I would still do the right thing and go to the police. Even if I stood by my son. I would give any detail no matter how small to help find a missing girl that my son may or may not have abducted. I would still set the example.

His Grandmothers house conveniently dropped in his lap just after Amber went missing. 8 months ago I think. Grandma's in the hospital and if the police broke down the door the occupants (other couple) must be suspicious characters too.

Where did he dump her body???????????  We all want to know!!!!!!!!


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Edward on March 02, 2010, 01:46:53 AM
He was so violent to the 13 year old.. and he was only 21 then.
He is probably a maniac now. rushing people like a linebacker.

He is silent from what I can tell. Not talking at all.
He was already incarserated and he knows the ropes.. He knows to keep his mouth shut and to have no thoughts on the subject..



Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: sebastian on March 02, 2010, 01:48:51 AM
As a parent myself and with all my faults I do know the difference between right and wrong. If I taught this to my child (I did) and they did not learn from my example (to those who don't understand watch the "Bad Seed" black and with version) I would still do the right thing and go to the police. Even if I stood by my son. I would give any detail no matter how small to help find a missing girl that my son may or may not have abducted. I would still set the example.

His Grandmothers house conveniently dropped in his lap just after Amber went missing. 8 months ago I think. Grandma's in the hospital and if the police broke down the door the occupants (other couple) must be suspicious characters too.

Where did he dump her body???????????  We all want to know!!!!!!!!

Hi Armchair,
I was thinking the same thing. He gets out of Escondido right after Amber disappears. I too was wondering about the couple living with Grandma. I want to know where he worked, what he drove and who his past relationships were with. I am surprised that more people are not posting comments in the local papers giving us this information.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: mizjay on March 02, 2010, 01:53:31 AM
As a parent myself and with all my faults I do know the difference between right and wrong. If I taught this to my child (I did) and they did not learn from my example (to those who don't understand watch the "Bad Seed" black and with version) I would still do the right thing and go to the police. Even if I stood by my son. I would give any detail no matter how small to help find a missing girl that my son may or may not have abducted. I would still set the example.

His Grandmothers house conveniently dropped in his lap just after Amber went missing. 8 months ago I think. Grandma's in the hospital and if the police broke down the door the occupants (other couple) must be suspicious characters too.

Where did he dump her body???????????  We all want to know!!!!!!!!
Exactly!  Where did he live at the time Amber was taken? Bet integraScan wasn't wrong...bet it was right down the street from her school...

As far as the parents..I've already said my piece, however, at the time of the jogger assault she bloodied his nose or face, it had to be swollen, bruised, he had to be angry, with the news coverage of the crime and his injury and his proximity to the crime...nobody in the family thought it was him? Either denial or something going on


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: crazybabyborg on March 02, 2010, 01:53:32 AM
OMGosh the tale of what that poor girl went through in December. He is brazen and if you ask me you don't go from holding a young girl in an apartment to doing that on a public trail. He has had some practice. There are more victims....

I'm afraid you are right, Tracy.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

After being caught and spending time in jail, I'm thinking he would be more careful with his next victims.

Shell, I think of blockhead Joran when I see Gardner's pictures, too!


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: sebastian on March 02, 2010, 02:01:57 AM
Ok, this is the kind of comment that I was looking for. I found this online from a poster. This opens up the big question for me. Did he have to attend court appointed AA meetings? If so, did they happen to be on Broadway in Escondido at 7:00 am?
'
"tell me why the news has the info messed up. he used to be my down stairs neighbor at 1050 rock springs road Escondido ca 92026. with his wife/girlfriend and their 2 kids one boy and one boy. I knew him, this man drank heavily and was violent towards his/girlfriends kids."

Posted 03/01/2010 at 12:15:17 PM


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Shell on March 02, 2010, 02:03:20 AM
He was so violent to the 13 year old.. and he was only 21 then.
He is probably a maniac now. rushing people like a linebacker.

He is silent from what I can tell. Not talking at all.
He was already incarserated and he knows the ropes.. He knows to keep his mouth shut and to have no thoughts on the subject..



News tonight said when he was (I think they said 17) he got in trouble molesting a girl but since they were the same age or close, it was determined to be consensual.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: sebastian on March 02, 2010, 02:16:21 AM
This is is a paragraph from an article that I missed. I wonder what were in the bags?

"Gardner, 30, lives near Lake Elsinore but had been staying with his mother and stepfather at a home in the 17000 block of Matinal Road in Rancho Bernardo. Investigators searched that home and carried out items in several bags according to neighbors."



Source: Suspect Had "Unnatural Interest in Young Girls:" DA | NBC San Diego


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Shell on March 02, 2010, 03:08:42 AM
OT-I was searching for info on Gardner and the 2nd site I clicked on was one of those that come up and say...you have viruses and trojans...download this fix. Then when I went to X out of it, it made a ping sound and would not leave. What are you supposed to do when that happens?

Another problem I need help with. When making a post, the page jumps around and I can't see what I typed until it is finished. I had the problem before and I do not remember the cure someone gave me for it. Does anyone have a solution?


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Shell on March 02, 2010, 03:12:54 AM
UPDATE: (News 8)  The search for Chelsea King continues overnight Monday.  Crews are still searching Lake Hodges and will continue to do so Tuesday morning.  Late Monday night, search crews also went to several Rancho Bernardo locations, but there's no official comment as to why they were searching those areas.  Some of them appeared to be construction sites.
http://www.cbs8.com/Global/story.asp?S=12048619


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: sebastian on March 02, 2010, 03:49:03 AM
Based on JAG's arrest when he was 18 in Twin Peaks, I looked up the high school in Lake Arrowhead. This may or may not be him.

John Gardner  Already a member? Log In 
  John Gardner
Rim of the World High School

Lake arrowhead, CA

Class of 1997
 
 


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Shell on March 02, 2010, 03:56:22 AM
As a parent myself and with all my faults I do know the difference between right and wrong. If I taught this to my child (I did) and they did not learn from my example (to those who don't understand watch the "Bad Seed" black and with version) I would still do the right thing and go to the police. Even if I stood by my son. I would give any detail no matter how small to help find a missing girl that my son may or may not have abducted. I would still set the example.

His Grandmothers house conveniently dropped in his lap just after Amber went missing. 8 months ago I think. Grandma's in the hospital and if the police broke down the door the occupants (other couple) must be suspicious characters too.

Where did he dump her body???????????  We all want to know!!!!!!!!
Exactly!  Where did he live at the time Amber was taken? Bet integraScan wasn't wrong...bet it was right down the street from her school...

As far as the parents..I've already said my piece, however, at the time of the jogger assault she bloodied his nose or face, it had to be swollen, bruised, he had to be angry, with the news coverage of the crime and his injury and his proximity to the crime...nobody in the family thought it was him? Either denial or something going on

I listened to reports by Phil Blauer at www.cbs8.com and it sounds like he was living at Rock Springs Rd at the time Amber went missing. He got off on parole in 2008 and was living at Rock Springs rd. Maybe he moved out of there and moved in with G Ma. That would be why they did not check the Esc address.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Shell on March 02, 2010, 04:28:39 AM
Thinking out loud here. The guy gets paroled Sept 2008 and moves to Rock Springs Road. 6 months later Amber disappears. At some point he is living with his G Mom. They search his Mom's house and G Moms house, and concentrate on the shed (per neighbor)

Neighbor in Lake E says he was always doing things around the house. Putting up shelves, working in the attic....*check that attic


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Shell on March 02, 2010, 04:31:59 AM

Goodnight Bearly, Sebastian, and guests


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: trimmonthelake on March 02, 2010, 07:33:32 AM
http://www.wpri.com/dpps/news/us_news/west/family-holds-out-hope-for-california-teens-return-jgr_3257355
Family holds out hope for teen's return
Chelsea King disappeared Thursday in California

Updated: Tuesday, 02 Mar 2010, 7:13 AM EST
Published : Tuesday, 02 Mar 2010, 7:13 AM EST

    * ELLIOT SPAGAT,Associated Press Writer

SAN DIEGO (AP) - Chelsea King is a straight-A student who plays French horn for the San Diego Youth Symphony, runs on the school cross-country team and actively volunteers in a peer counseling program.

At Poway High School, photos adorn the walls with the caption, "Last seen 2-25 at RB Community Park wearing running clothes."

The 17-year-old's family and authorities are holding out hope that she will return safely. She disappeared Thursday, and a search for her has spread over an area of about four square miles, covered with rocks and heavy vegetation. The focus of the search has been on the waters and shore of Lake Hodges, a popular area for trail runners.
John Gardner III, 30, remained in custody without bail after his arrest outside a Mexican restaurant in suburban Escondido on Sunday. Steve Walker, a spokesman for the San Diego County district attorney's office, said a decision would be made by Wednesday about filing charges against the registered sex offender.

Gardner, of Lake Elsinore, pleaded guilty in May 2000 to molesting a 13-year-old female neighbor and was sentenced to six years in prison. Prosecutors say he lured the victim to his home with an offer to watch "Patch Adams," a 1998 movie starring Robin Williams.

Sheriff Bill Gore told ABC's "Good Morning America" on Monday that the questioning of Gardner hadn't produced any leads. Sheriff's spokeswoman, Jan Caldwell, declined to say if searches of Gardner's home and his mother's San Diego home yielded evidence.

Brent King, Chelsea's father, pleaded for anyone with information about Gardner to come forward. Investigators suspect Gardner could be tied to a Dec. 27 assault on a female jogger from Colorado who fended off her attacker in the same park.

"Anybody who knows anything about the person they have in custody — whatever you want to call him, I can't even put a word to it — please let us know," he said.

In an interview Monday, the Kings, who also have a 13-year-old son, recounted their daughter's disappearance.
Brent, 47, returned from the gym around 5:30 p.m. Thursday, the same time his wife, Kelly, 48, came home with groceries. Their daughter, who always kept them abreast of her whereabouts, wasn't home.

First, they called her cell phone, then her friends. A friend's mother suggested an AT&T Web site, which led them to her cell phone that was left inside her 1994 BMW parked near the tennis courts at the park.

"Because it was so out of character for Chelsea not to tell us or call us and say I'm going to be late ... we just had that feeling," Brent King said.

Kelly called 911 as her husband drove to the park. Brent looked first at the tennis courts, then saw a trail headed into the woods.

"I took off and ran down the trail as far as I could run, calling out for my daughter at the top of my voice in every direction," he said.

Chelsea was born in Poway, a well-to-do suburb of homes and office parks northeast of San Diego. The family followed Brent King's job in mortgage banking to the San Francisco Bay area and to the Chicago area before returning to San Diego. Their home was badly damaged in 2007 wildfires that ravaged Southern California.

Chelsea is taking four Advanced Placement courses and applied to 11 colleges, with an eye toward a career that would combine her interests in writing and environmental protection. She has been accepted to two schools, University of Washington and University of British Columbia.
"She is one of the most driven, personable, caring people that you could ever meet," Brent King said. "Her goal in life is to brighten everyone's day. That's what she does, and when she walks into the room, you know she's there."

She often stays up studying past midnight, working so hard that her parents urge her to ease off and spend more time with friends. Long-distance running was her escape.

"That was her outlet when she was stressed about a test or needed to just clear her head," Kelly King said.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: theboyzmom on March 02, 2010, 07:54:07 AM
He was so violent to the 13 year old.. and he was only 21 then.
He is probably a maniac now. rushing people like a linebacker.

He is silent from what I can tell. Not talking at all.
He was already incarserated and he knows the ropes.. He knows to keep his mouth shut and to have no thoughts on the subject..



News tonight said when he was (I think they said 17) he got in trouble molesting a girl but since they were the same age or close, it was determined to be consensual.

This is something that pizzes me off. If a man of the same age rapes a woman of his age it is still rape. Why is it when the kids are near the same age it is sex play or consensual. I know young kids play games like "I will show you mine if you show me yours" - but when adults can be fooled by these animals why not kids of their age?  I know a psychopath - he has been cunning and crafty since he was a child. He has no remorse. And when he did give a hit of his true self as a child, it was dismissed as ADHD or some other psychiatric diagnosis. I knew in my heart something was wrong but everyone kept telling me that I was judgmental or just did not like the kid. Later (several years ago) it was discovered he was molesting kids for several years - he was a master manipulator - he talked the kids into doing things based on him giving them something.  He talked girls and boys near his age and much different ages. He was prosecuted but only for two of the molestations - the rest (numbering up to 14) were either written off as lies by the victims or "sex play". It makes me sick - even if it is consensual 12 years olds do not have intercourse - and it should be taken seriously.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: klaasend on March 02, 2010, 08:30:00 AM
OT-I was searching for info on Gardner and the 2nd site I clicked on was one of those that come up and say...you have viruses and trojans...download this fix. Then when I went to X out of it, it made a ping sound and would not leave. What are you supposed to do when that happens?

Another problem I need help with. When making a post, the page jumps around and I can't see what I typed until it is finished. I had the problem before and I do not remember the cure someone gave me for it. Does anyone have a solution?

Shell

1.  When I find a webpage that tries to download a program I simply attempt to close down that tab, website ASAP.  It happens to me often.

2.  If you are using IE8 go to (I think), tools/options and click on COMPATIBILITY VIEW.    That should help.  I was having so many problems with IE8 (including the jumping) I switched to Firefox and haven't had any problems since.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: klaasend on March 02, 2010, 08:41:21 AM
May not have any connection but....

http://www.10news.com/news/22713518/detail.html

Body Found Floating In Pond In East Village

POSTED: 5:00 am PST March 2, 2010
SAN DIEGO -- San Diego police Tuesday investigated the death of someone whose body was found floating in a small body of water in the East Village.

The body was found in a drainage pond near San Diego Bay in the 1200 block of Imperial Avenue around 11:10 p.m. Monday, said San Diego police Officer Dino Delimitros.

No other details about the body were immediately released.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: klaasend on March 02, 2010, 09:10:51 AM
http://www.nctimes.com/news/local/poway/article_8c75fb6a-9a52-5360-b847-c14c8ea84808.html

POWAY: Mix of anger, restlessness at Poway High

By CHRIS NICHOLS - cnichols@nctimes.com | Posted: Monday, March 1, 2010 10:09 pm

Emotions ranged from anger to sorrow to optimism at Poway High School on Monday, one day after a suspect was arrested in the disappearance of 17-year-old Chelsea King, a senior at the suburban San Diego County school.

Chelsea, a cross-country runner and student peer counselor, vanished Thursday evening after driving to Lake Hodges to go for a run. She remained missing as of Monday night.

On Sunday, John Albert Gardner III, a registered sex offender from Lakeland Village near Lake Elsinore, was arrested near Lake Hodges in connection with Chelsea's disappearance. He was booked Sunday on suspicion of the rape and murder of the missing girl.

Many students at the inland North County school on Monday wore blue, Chelsea's favorite color, as a sign of support for their classmate. Some sobbed openly at lunch when blue ribbons were handed out, said junior Will Crawford, 17.

Others continued to find ways to aid the search for Chelsea, passing out fliers of the strawberry blonde girl or updating a Facebook page about her disappearance, said Traci Barker-Ball, a longtime Poway High teacher who advises the school's 88 student peer counselors.

Chelsea's disappearance is the third in a string of traumatic events for the school in the past year.

In December, Veronica Aguirre, 17, a senior at the school, was killed when she lost control of a vehicle she was driving on Mountain Meadow Road in rural Escondido.

Another student, Clayton Blackburn, who would have been a sophomore this year, died in his sleep last summer.

"It's been a roller coaster," said junior Zach Gelwix, 17, Chelsea's classmate and a fellow peer counselor at Poway High.

Principal Scott Fisher said students have reached out to one another, to teachers and counselors to cope with the tragedy. He added that he's trying to balance the campus' grief with the reality that school must go on.

"We want to provide normalcy, too," he said.

Two sheriff's deputies patrolled the campus grounds Monday, one more than normal, school officials said. No extra school counselors have been required, the principal said.

Officials said no extra security measures were needed for students walking home. The majority are picked up by parents or take the bus to and from the campus, which is set in the city's rural residential northeast corner.

Parents expressed a mix of worry and helplessness.

"We can't keep them in the house all the time, so we just have to teach them to be safe," said Judy Ridgeway, as she picked up her 14-year-old daughter in front of the school.

Fliers with Chelsea's picture are affixed to gates, poles and inside cars from Poway to Rancho Bernardo and beyond. Gelwix, Chelsea's classmate, said he and other supporters drove as far as Arizona on Sunday to hand out fliers.

Blue ribbons, tied by Chelsea's classmates and supporters, adorned trees throughout the suburban communities.

Poway High's electronic message board read one constant message: "If you have any information about Chelsea King, please call 858-565-5200."

Inside the school's main office, junior Jenna Belknap, 17, said she's struggled with school since her friend Chelsea vanished.

"It's just so hard to focus, knowing one of your best friends is missing," she said. "And you're just playing all the scenarios in your head. ... What will we find?"

Belknap, who runs cross country and is a peer counselor with Chelsea, said keeping busy on search efforts brings her comfort. The cross country team, she noted, will soon hand out green and gray rubber bracelets that read "Never run alone," with Chelsea's initials on them.

"When Chelsea comes back, I think she'll really appreciate all the efforts we've done to make sure this never happens again," Belknap said.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: SunnyinTX on March 02, 2010, 09:12:11 AM
Sebastian thanks so much for the pictures  ::MonkeyCool::

Morning Monks. I am catching up from last night, but wanted to thank Sebastian for the pictures and everyone for the updates...reading on...was so hoping to sign on this morning and read she had been found alive.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: SunnyinTX on March 02, 2010, 09:15:34 AM
Channel 8 (KFMB) news at 5:

A shoe, sweatshirt and sunglasses were among the evidence discovered.

There were still nearly 1000 volunteers out today, even with work and school back - the number is NOT much less than it was when people were off over the weekend.

San Diego county is one of the FEW counties in the state of California that is not liberal in their beliefs. People are outraged! People that I know that don't usually follow these cases are contacting me. I think heads may role because of all of this. Maybe this would be the time for lawmakers to try and get some stricter laws passed.

I am glad to see people outraged............more people need to get outraged IMO....we, the people, have to  put a stop to the madness.

Sebastian, are you a member of a search group? I wondered why people are contacting you about the case?  Glad they are  of course.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: klaasend on March 02, 2010, 09:16:58 AM
http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local-beat/The-Search-for-Chelsea-King-85947917.html

The Search for Chelsea King
The focus of the official search is a 14-mile stretch of Lake Hodges

By R. STICKNEY and ARTIE OJEDA
Updated 6:00 AM PST, Tue, Mar 2, 2010

As law enforcement focused on a14-miles stretch of the Lake Hodges shore and searched through the night, hundreds of volunteers are organizing for yet another day of searching for missing Poway teenager Chelsea King.

The 17-year-old's family and authorities are holding out hope that she will return safely. She disappeared Thursday, and a search for her has spread over an area of about four square miles, covered with rocks and heavy vegetation. The focus of the search has been on the waters and shore of Lake Hodges, a popular area for trail runners.

More than 100 officers from multiple agencies are involved in the official search for Chelsea. An FBI dive team was brought in Monday equipped with sonar equipment to aid in the search.

John Gardner III, 30, remained in custody without bail after his arrest outside a Mexican restaurant in suburban Escondido on Sunday.

Sources say they found Gardner’s DNA on some of Chelsea King's clothing found on the shores of the lake. Gardner was in the criminal database because of a 2000 conviction of lewd act with a child.

Gardner had been living at his mother's Rancho Bernardo home about a mile from the search area. Agents have taken property from the home where a hand-written sign was posted Monday: "We have no statement, please stay off of our property."

Gardner also had a home in Lake Elsinore. Neighbors say agents kicked down the door looking for Gardner Sunday. He wasn't there.

According to court records from his 2000 conviction, Gardner picked up a 13 year-old girl at a bus stop, took her back to his Rancho Bernardo home, where he assaulted and beat her. His five-year prison term ended in 2005, after which he served three years parole.

Gardner is scheduled to be arraigned tomorrow. Steve Walker, a spokesman for the San Diego County district attorney's office, said a decision would be made by Wednesday about filing charges against the registered sex offender.

Volunteers wanting to help in the search for Chelsea King Tuesday should go to 11858 Bernardo Plaza Ct. in Rancho Bernardo behind Citibank.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: SunnyinTX on March 02, 2010, 09:23:03 AM
Hey folks - a noob to this site.

Just wanted to post as a Poway parent with kids at Poway High in band with Chelsea.

I have seen posts wanting a change in laws.  Here are two I think need to be considered -

1) If you knowingly house a registered sex offender for more than 4 days a year you should have to report it to local law enforcement, or be considered an accessory to their evasion of registration laws;

2) Sex offenders like Gardner should be subject to mandatory Chemical Castration if they choose to reside in California.  Chemical castration is not castration but instead is the administration of drugs that dampen libido.  The effects aren't permanent but effective at making these cretins more passive.  Of course, the ACLU opposes it as "cruel and unusual punishment" without any basis - all the more reason to support the idea.

Hi Adam....thanks and welcome to SM


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: SunnyinTX on March 02, 2010, 09:28:05 AM

In interview of 13 yr olds parents
One parent said they thought daughter was going to lose her eye he beat her so badly.

http://www.10news.com/index.html

thanks shell.....I can't believe....take that back, of course I believe, just don't understand, how this monster could have been let loose....the powers to be KNEW he was dangerous and would strike again......


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: SunnyinTX on March 02, 2010, 09:36:16 AM
http://www.nctimes.com/news/local/sdcounty/article_505a6408-7785-5fcb-91f0-62d8aade0e97.html

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REGION: Search continues for Chelsea King; suspect faces murder, rape charges

News report: Victim's underwear found in Lake Hodges area


Staff and wire reports | Posted: March 1, 2010 3:11 pm

The search for a missing Poway girl is continuing despite the arrest of a registered sex offender Sunday in connection with her disappearance.

Thirty-year-old John Albert Gardner III of Lakeland Village near Lake Elsinore was booked into county jail on charges of murder and rape, according to the San Diego County Sheriff's Department.

Ten years ago, Gardner pleaded guilty to charges related to the sexual assault of a Rancho Bernardo girl, according to court records.

Chelsea King, 17, disappeared Thursday after going for a run near Lake Hodges at Rancho Bernardo Community Park in San Diego, a popular regional park full of running trails. Her car, with her cell phone and iPod inside, were found later that night.

Search and rescue personnel on Monday morning and afternoon focused their search on the north shore of Lake Hodges, near Hernandez's Hideaway restaurant where Gardner was arrested Sunday afternoon.
(snipped)

thanks Klaas....looking at the pictures breaks my heart....what must it do to the King's......they know, we know....yet we all hold on to some glimmer of hope....


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: SunnyinTX on March 02, 2010, 09:43:13 AM

http://www.10news.com/index.html

thanks  shell

snipped from the article

In the documents, the district attorney said: "Defendant picked a very meek, young victim who trusted him and lured her to a location where she would be particularly vulnerable and then had his way with her."

Even though Gardner pleaded guilty, a psychiatrist who examined him said he took no responsibility whatsoever.

The district attorney said: "Not only has the defendant never expressed one scintilla of remorse for his attack upon the victim, he has even gone so far as to blame the victim's mother and claim she somehow attacked her own daughter."

The psychiatrist said of Gardner: "It is my opinion that the defendant would be a continued danger to underage girls in the community."

It came out in court that Gardner had fondled a 14-year-old girl a year earlier. Although the district attorney did not require him to plead guilty to that charge, the DA said "the defendant obviously has an unnatural interest in very young girls. The defendant's actions are extremely predatory and this makes him very dangerous."

yet he was let out, and let out EARLY............


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: SunnyinTX on March 02, 2010, 09:46:17 AM
Search for Chelsea King: Monday

http://www.signonsandiego.com/photos/galleries/2010/mar/01/monday-search/

thanks NR....


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: goodnmad on March 02, 2010, 09:51:59 AM
You know, what a damn shame. This young lady is out doing something she enjoys, being healthy, being strong and this happens.  ::MonkeyMad::

This creep should be locked in a room with an angry mob.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: cookie on March 02, 2010, 10:05:48 AM
In my humble opinion, the best thing that can be accomplished on the border states and California and Arizona in particular - is lock the borders, and begin executing those on death row.

Those new death sentences - process their appeal in a competent fashion and none of this 20-30 years (or dying of old age) on death row. Prisons are over-crowed by repeat offenders and certainly not building enough prisons. Personally I could careless if they are overcrowded, except it puts guards in danger.

When people respect the law - the crime rate goes down, and if it doesn't, alot of trash is cleaned up and is unable to cause further harm.

agreed! always good to see you Rob! xxxx


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 02, 2010, 10:18:46 AM
May not have any connection but....

http://www.10news.com/news/22713518/detail.html

Body Found Floating In Pond In East Village

POSTED: 5:00 am PST March 2, 2010
SAN DIEGO -- San Diego police Tuesday investigated the death of someone whose body was found floating in a small body of water in the East Village.

The body was found in a drainage pond near San Diego Bay in the 1200 block of Imperial Avenue around 11:10 p.m. Monday, said San Diego police Officer Dino Delimitros.

No other details about the body were immediately released.
Oh no  ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: klaasend on March 02, 2010, 10:22:08 AM
May not have any connection but....

http://www.10news.com/news/22713518/detail.html

Body Found Floating In Pond In East Village

POSTED: 5:00 am PST March 2, 2010
SAN DIEGO -- San Diego police Tuesday investigated the death of someone whose body was found floating in a small body of water in the East Village.

The body was found in a drainage pond near San Diego Bay in the 1200 block of Imperial Avenue around 11:10 p.m. Monday, said San Diego police Officer Dino Delimitros.

No other details about the body were immediately released.
Oh no  ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

Not very close to the search area so likely not related though.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 02, 2010, 10:33:50 AM
May not have any connection but....

http://www.10news.com/news/22713518/detail.html

Body Found Floating In Pond In East Village

POSTED: 5:00 am PST March 2, 2010
SAN DIEGO -- San Diego police Tuesday investigated the death of someone whose body was found floating in a small body of water in the East Village.

The body was found in a drainage pond near San Diego Bay in the 1200 block of Imperial Avenue around 11:10 p.m. Monday, said San Diego police Officer Dino Delimitros.

No other details about the body were immediately released.
Oh no  ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

Not very close to the search area so likely not related though.
Thank-you. Someone's loved one has been found dead, just tragic.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 02, 2010, 10:37:28 AM
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From KGTV (10) news at 11:

Overnight crews have narrowed the search for Chelsea. They're looking within a 12 square mile area around Lake Hodges and declared it a crime scene.

They are now heavily focusing on an area about 3-4 miles wide.

They are searching through the night.

Every conceivable technology is being used.

Sheriff Bill Gore flew her parents over the search area earlier today.

Her parents said since "this creature won't tell us where she is we'll just have to find her"

His parents have a sign on their Matinal home stating that they "have no statement at this time."

Sheriff said there is NO POINT at which they will stop the search until they find Chelsea.


From KFMB (8) news at 11:

He is NOT cooperating and is currently in the jail medical ward at the central jail but they will not tell us why.

In 8 minutes there will be film from a one on one interview with the Sheriff, I'll update when it happens.

The jogger from the December attack said DNA was taken off of her elbow to make a match.

They are filming part of the broadcast tonight at the yellow $ sign area in my signature at the Poblado access point to the trails.

Amber's dad doesn't want to find a connection between Chelsea and Amber because of what that means but knows it's likely there.


From KNSD (7) news at 11:

Amber's dad can't help but draw connections between the cases, but they are in full denial of it but do know they can't help but think this may be what happened to her. With his "track record" her dad says that they know Amber's probably "not in a good situation"

He just moved out of the Rock Springs address a month ago.  (from WS)  He is NOT cooperating and is currently in the jail medical ward at the central jail but they will not tell us why.  ::MonkeyNoNo:: Let me guess, he is suicidal  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: cookie on March 02, 2010, 10:40:19 AM
Chelsea sounds like a really great kid who had everything going for her...unlike the scumbag who is suspected of doing something to her....I am so mad!
wonder why he has such a smirk on his face in that mugshot of him??


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Adam In California on March 02, 2010, 10:49:52 AM

The jogger from the December attack said DNA was taken off of her elbow to make a match.

If that is the case, why didn't they match Gardner back in December?

This is a BIG issue if law enforcement simply failed to run the DNA back in December.   Gardner was in the database then.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 02, 2010, 11:02:05 AM

The jogger from the December attack said DNA was taken off of her elbow to make a match.

If that is the case, why didn't they match Gardner back in December?

This is a BIG issue if law enforcement simply failed to run the DNA back in December.   Gardner was in the database then.
I agree. I don't understand why it was said the attack was a attack for money, I wish someone would explain that.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Rob on March 02, 2010, 11:03:31 AM

http://www.10news.com/index.html

yet he was let out, and let out EARLY............

respectfully snipped to address..

Hi ya Sunny...

Where I live I can't even vote for judges. The opportunity is available but they do not list party affiliation, and there in one particular party that is easy on criminals so I don't even chance that I COULD vote someone from that 'party'...

we have one judge here that went haywire a few years ago, and pulled down his pants in a drunken rage.... he decided to do that at an outdoor festival that roughly 30,000 people attended and witnessed...(we finally got rid of him after like 3 years, and he got his 9,400 a month pension / retirement..) and we have another judge here that is so blatantly racist that your head would spin on a swivel. He berated a TSA employee and went nuts - and you're not gonna believe who they found responsible for the whole incident - yep, the TSA employee. This same judge's wife thinks she is Marie Antoinette.

Then we have the "usual" incompetent decisions that sentence someone with a bag of pot to 10 years and a child rapist to time served.

And to top it all off, we have a parole board made up of what seem like criminals.

Most of us on this board have been screaming for tougher laws and laws that make sense and stick. However, nothing is being done and won't be until a senator's daughter is raped and murdered. Sorry to say all that, but that's the sad truth here.

As for chemical castration, it's mainly a feel good thing and will not work. There are other forms of control and these sadists have a mind set that can not be controlled by chemicals alone. Bars work best and prevent bad things from occurring.

I feel execution is the answer, and that will send a message and it will also allow for prevent future crimes by some seriously deranged individuals.

I read the UK websites (I read them cause follow Maddie's case and I like to see how screwed up their NHS is), but over there they had an article about the Yorkshire Ripper - this lunatic killed 13 women and seriously assaulted 8 others - and yep, you guessed it... he's up for parole and release from a mental hospital. What do you think is going to happen when he is released?

here's a link in case anyone would like to read who screwed up Britain is... http://tinyurl.com/yh8r4em

We used to have public executions here until the 1940's - and I think a few weeks of those may change the criminal behavior... couldn't hurt to try - nothing else has worked.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 02, 2010, 11:16:21 AM

Most of us on this board have been screaming for tougher laws and laws that make sense and stick. However, nothing is being done and won't be until a senator's daughter is raped and murdered. Sorry to say all that, but that's the sad truth here.     Rob I just got done saying that an hour ago to my husband, sad but very true. ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: klaasend on March 02, 2010, 11:31:00 AM
http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local-beat/Family-Believes-Missing-Teens-Are-Linked-85951827.html

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub8/AmberChelsea.jpg)

Family Believes Missing Teens Are Linked
John Albert Gardner III has "an unnatural interest in very young girls," according to one prosecutor
By R. STICKNEY, PAUL KRUEGER and MARI PAYTON
Updated 7:10 AM PST, Tue, Mar 2, 2010


Registered sex offender John Albert Gardner III is in custody on suspicion of murder and rape in the case of missing Poway teen Chelsea King.

King was last seen Thursday, Feb. 25 before she headed out for a run after school near Lake Hodges. An article of her clothing found near the lake matched Gardner's DNA, according to law enforcement sources.

But now, family members of another missing North County girl are seeing similarities in the Chelsea King case and their own daughter's disappearance.

Amber Dubois was last seen Feb. 13, 2009 while walking to Escondido High School.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: SunnyinTX on March 02, 2010, 11:37:01 AM
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From KGTV (10) news at 11:

Overnight crews have narrowed the search for Chelsea. They're looking within a 12 square mile area around Lake Hodges and declared it a crime scene.

They are now heavily focusing on an area about 3-4 miles wide.

They are searching through the night.

Every conceivable technology is being used.

Sheriff Bill Gore flew her parents over the search area earlier today.

Her parents said since "this creature won't tell us where she is we'll just have to find her"

His parents have a sign on their Matinal home stating that they "have no statement at this time."

Sheriff said there is NO POINT at which they will stop the search until they find Chelsea.


From KFMB (8) news at 11:

He is NOT cooperating and is currently in the jail medical ward at the central jail but they will not tell us why.

In 8 minutes there will be film from a one on one interview with the Sheriff, I'll update when it happens.

The jogger from the December attack said DNA was taken off of her elbow to make a match.

They are filming part of the broadcast tonight at the yellow $ sign area in my signature at the Poblado access point to the trails.

Amber's dad doesn't want to find a connection between Chelsea and Amber because of what that means but knows it's likely there.


From KNSD (7) news at 11:

Amber's dad can't help but draw connections between the cases, but they are in full denial of it but do know they can't help but think this may be what happened to her. With his "track record" her dad says that they know Amber's probably "not in a good situation"

He just moved out of the Rock Springs address a month ago.  (from WS)  He is NOT cooperating and is currently in the jail medical ward at the central jail but they will not tell us why.  ::MonkeyNoNo:: Let me guess, he is suicidal  ::MonkeyNoNo::

thanks nrcg............this piece of chit...I hope one of the LE 'accidentally' smashed his  testicles in a medieval vice!! I could make his BEG for death...  ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: sebastian on March 02, 2010, 11:37:17 AM
Channel 8 (KFMB) news at 5:

A shoe, sweatshirt and sunglasses were among the evidence discovered.

There were still nearly 1000 volunteers out today, even with work and school back - the number is NOT much less than it was when people were off over the weekend.

San Diego county is one of the FEW counties in the state of California that is not liberal in their beliefs. People are outraged! People that I know that don't usually follow these cases are contacting me. I think heads may role because of all of this. Maybe this would be the time for lawmakers to try and get some stricter laws passed.

I am glad to see people outraged............more people need to get outraged IMO....we, the people, have to  put a stop to the madness.

Sebastian, are you a member of a search group? I wondered why people are contacting you about the case?  Glad they are  of course.

Hi Sunny!
I am local and that is why I am getting emails and such. Also, I have become friends with Amber's mom during her horrendous ordeal. I too was hoping for some good news today!


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: SunnyinTX on March 02, 2010, 11:41:33 AM

http://www.10news.com/index.html

yet he was let out, and let out EARLY............

respectfully snipped to address..

Hi ya Sunny...

Where I live I can't even vote for judges. The opportunity is available but they do not list party affiliation, and there in one particular party that is easy on criminals so I don't even chance that I COULD vote someone from that 'party'...

we have one judge here that went haywire a few years ago, and pulled down his pants in a drunken rage.... he decided to do that at an outdoor festival that roughly 30,000 people attended and witnessed...(we finally got rid of him after like 3 years, and he got his 9,400 a month pension / retirement..) and we have another judge here that is so blatantly racist that your head would spin on a swivel. He berated a TSA employee and went nuts - and you're not gonna believe who they found responsible for the whole incident - yep, the TSA employee. This same judge's wife thinks she is Marie Antoinette.

Then we have the "usual" incompetent decisions that sentence someone with a bag of pot to 10 years and a child rapist to time served.

And to top it all off, we have a parole board made up of what seem like criminals.

Most of us on this board have been screaming for tougher laws and laws that make sense and stick. However, nothing is being done and won't be until a senator's daughter is raped and murdered. Sorry to say all that, but that's the sad truth here.

As for chemical castration, it's mainly a feel good thing and will not work. There are other forms of control and these sadists have a mind set that can not be controlled by chemicals alone. Bars work best and prevent bad things from occurring.

I feel execution is the answer, and that will send a message and it will also allow for prevent future crimes by some seriously deranged individuals.

I read the UK websites (I read them cause follow Maddie's case and I like to see how screwed up their NHS is), but over there they had an article about the Yorkshire Ripper - this lunatic killed 13 women and seriously assaulted 8 others - and yep, you guessed it... he's up for parole and release from a mental hospital. What do you think is going to happen when he is released?

here's a link in case anyone would like to read who screwed up Britain is... http://tinyurl.com/yh8r4em

We used to have public executions here until the 1940's - and I think a few weeks of those may change the criminal behavior... couldn't hurt to try - nothing else has worked.

Hi Rob....missed you again.....but as usual we are on the same boat........public executions and public flaying.............bring them back...screw this politically correct bullchit!!  thanks for the link......if I say much more someone is gonna be coming after me with a bar of soap!!@#$%$#%^&*^%#%&*


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: SunnyinTX on March 02, 2010, 11:45:15 AM
Channel 8 (KFMB) news at 5:

A shoe, sweatshirt and sunglasses were among the evidence discovered.

There were still nearly 1000 volunteers out today, even with work and school back - the number is NOT much less than it was when people were off over the weekend.

San Diego county is one of the FEW counties in the state of California that is not liberal in their beliefs. People are outraged! People that I know that don't usually follow these cases are contacting me. I think heads may role because of all of this. Maybe this would be the time for lawmakers to try and get some stricter laws passed.

I am glad to see people outraged............more people need to get outraged IMO....we, the people, have to  put a stop to the madness.

Sebastian, are you a member of a search group? I wondered why people are contacting you about the case?  Glad they are  of course.

Hi Sunny!
I am local and that is why I am getting emails and such. Also, I have become friends with Amber's mom during her horrendous ordeal. I too was hoping for some good news today!

Glad to have you with us....it's always great to have someone local..and I am sure you ar a blessing to Amber's Mom.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: sebastian on March 02, 2010, 11:54:35 AM
"If" he went to high school in Lake Arrowhead, I wonder if the family still owns any property up there?


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 02, 2010, 11:55:36 AM
I could have sworn while walking through the living room, the man on Fox news, Adam somebody, was saying that there was another 13 year old that this monster molested as well, a friend of the other girl. Did anyone hear that?


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: klaasend on March 02, 2010, 12:00:15 PM
I could have sworn while walking through the living room, the man on Fox news, Adam somebody, was saying that there was another 13 year old that this monster molested as well, a friend of the other girl. Did anyone hear that?

I read yesterday something about another 13 or 14 year old back in 2000 but he wasn't charged with anything in that case.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 02, 2010, 12:02:00 PM
I could have sworn while walking through the living room, the man on Fox news, Adam somebody, was saying that there was another 13 year old that this monster molested as well, a friend of the other girl. Did anyone hear that?

I read yesterday something about another 13 or 14 year old back in 2000 but he wasn't charged with anything in that case.
Thank-you, then I did hear that right  ::MonkeyNoNo:: Just disgusting


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Cappuccino on March 02, 2010, 12:02:08 PM
Foxnews national just said that the sheriff will be on in just over an hour 12:30 est - no presser scheduled today as of yet


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 02, 2010, 12:03:55 PM
Foxnews national just said that the sheriff will be on in just over an hour 12:30 est - no presser scheduled today as of yet
Thank-you


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: klaasend on March 02, 2010, 12:11:22 PM
Foxnews national just said that the sheriff will be on in just over an hour 12:30 est - no presser scheduled today as of yet

Then that would be in about 20 minutes from now California time if true. 


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: klaasend on March 02, 2010, 12:13:26 PM
May not have any connection but....

http://www.10news.com/news/22713518/detail.html

Body Found Floating In Pond In East Village

POSTED: 5:00 am PST March 2, 2010
SAN DIEGO -- San Diego police Tuesday investigated the death of someone whose body was found floating in a small body of water in the East Village.

The body was found in a drainage pond near San Diego Bay in the 1200 block of Imperial Avenue around 11:10 p.m. Monday, said San Diego police Officer Dino Delimitros.

No other details about the body were immediately released.
Oh no  ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

Not very close to the search area so likely not related though.
Thank-you. Someone's loved one has been found dead, just tragic.

Turns out it was a man:

"The body was that of a man who appeared to between 40 and 50, according to the San Diego County Medical Examiner's Office. "


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 02, 2010, 12:14:24 PM
Thank-you Klaas, my prayers to this man's family and friends  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Cappuccino on March 02, 2010, 12:22:09 PM
Foxnews national just said that the sheriff will be on in just over an hour 12:30 est - no presser scheduled today as of yet

Then that would be in about 20 minutes from now California time if true. 

It was announced by John Scoot on Happening now Klass, so yes true       Right now its being said that police are now using sonar & dive teams, blood hounds, piece of Chelsie's clothes found (which we knew)   Sheriff WIlliam Gore on RIGHT NOW


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: klaasend on March 02, 2010, 12:25:10 PM
Not hearing anything more than we already know.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Cappuccino on March 02, 2010, 12:25:33 PM
Sheriff William Gore just said on Fox that they are led to believe she is in the water, now discussing John Albert Gardners history....exactly my point as to why these SO's should not be getting lenient sentences, if released at all ever again.   WAKE UP PEOPLE!   (general statement)


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: SunnyinTX on March 02, 2010, 12:35:39 PM
Not hearing anything more than we already know.

thanks Klaas.............I hope they find her............her family and friends need to know...


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Tracygirl on March 02, 2010, 12:35:40 PM
http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local-beat/Family-Believes-Missing-Teens-Are-Linked-85951827.html

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub8/AmberChelsea.jpg)

Family Believes Missing Teens Are Linked
John Albert Gardner III has "an unnatural interest in very young girls," according to one prosecutor
By R. STICKNEY, PAUL KRUEGER and MARI PAYTON
Updated 7:10 AM PST, Tue, Mar 2, 2010


Registered sex offender John Albert Gardner III is in custody on suspicion of murder and rape in the case of missing Poway teen Chelsea King.

King was last seen Thursday, Feb. 25 before she headed out for a run after school near Lake Hodges. An article of her clothing found near the lake matched Gardner's DNA, according to law enforcement sources.

But now, family members of another missing North County girl are seeing similarities in the Chelsea King case and their own daughter's disappearance.

Amber Dubois was last seen Feb. 13, 2009 while walking to Escondido High School.

 ::MonkeyWaa:: :2brickwall:


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: SunnyinTX on March 02, 2010, 12:36:28 PM
May not have any connection but....

http://www.10news.com/news/22713518/detail.html

Body Found Floating In Pond In East Village

POSTED: 5:00 am PST March 2, 2010
SAN DIEGO -- San Diego police Tuesday investigated the death of someone whose body was found floating in a small body of water in the East Village.

The body was found in a drainage pond near San Diego Bay in the 1200 block of Imperial Avenue around 11:10 p.m. Monday, said San Diego police Officer Dino Delimitros.

No other details about the body were immediately released.
Oh no  ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

Not very close to the search area so likely not related though.
Thank-you. Someone's loved one has been found dead, just tragic.

Turns out it was a man:

"The body was that of a man who appeared to between 40 and 50, according to the San Diego County Medical Examiner's Office. "


hopefully this will allow some family to start to heal....RIP


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: klaasend on March 02, 2010, 12:39:04 PM
http://www.nctimes.com/news/local/poway/article_5c8d2100-e967-5388-9dc2-0927a627a675.html

POWAY: Search for Chelsea explodes online

Facebook, Twitter users tune in to case of missing teen

By TERI FIGUEROA - tfigueroa@nctimes.com | Posted: Monday, March 1, 2010 10:27 pm

Within hours of Thursday's disappearance of 17-year-old Chelsea King, pleas for help to find her exploded on Internet social networking Web sites.

One Facebook page dedicated to sharing information about Chelsea had more than 52,000 fans inside of five days. Another site ---- the official Facebook page created on behalf of the King family ---- had upward of 7,300 fans within 24 hours of its creation.

Social networking Web sites can reach a vast audience at the click of a mouse.

"It's mind-blowing how quickly people respond," said Susan Wintersteen, who created the King family's official Facebook page

News of Chelsea's disappearance ---- the Poway High School senior went for a run near Lake Hodges outside of Rancho Bernardo and failed to come home ---- also mushroomed on the micro-blogging Web site Twitter: Approximately 4,250 tweets, or posts, with the words "Chelsea King" have been sent since Feb. 25.

Tweets about the search for Chelsea also have been forwarded by more than a dozen young celebrities, including musicians Alicia Keys, Lady Gaga, Fred Durst and Michelle Branch and actresses Alyssa Milano, Holly Marie Combs and Ashley Tisdale.

The speed with which the world learned of Chelsea's disappearance was "remarkable" to Wintersteen, who credits postings on Facebook and other sites with drawing more than 1,000 volunteers for the Saturday morning search for Chelsea.

Wintersteen said she joined the efforts to find Chelsea through a friend who was already part of the volunteer search team. It was the same way she became part of the search efforts for Danielle Van Dam, 7, who disappeared eight years ago.

A neighbor abducted Danielle from her Sabre Springs home on Feb. 1, 2002. Her body was found nearly four weeks later ---- the day after prosecutors charged the neighbor with murder.

Wintersteen said that during the search for Danielle, volunteer searchers communicated with others primarily by phone ---- a dinosaur compared with the power of the Web.

"We used donated phones, there was no texting and it was a delay in response," Wintersteen said of the 2002 search. "I can get an immediate response now."

And it's a worldwide response, too, with well wishes coming in from strangers as far away as Japan and Australia.

The Facebook page Wintersteen created is the official site for Chelsea's parents, Kelly and Brent King, who post messages to volunteers and others, she said. And the postings from other people are monitored by a handful of administrators who remove inappropriate remarks, she said.

"We are trying to be a site focused only to bring Chelsea home," she said. "We are not interested in talking about the predator. ... This is a place where Kelly and Brent can have their voices heard."

Within hours of the news of Chelsea's disappearance, Wintersteen said, "well-intentioned" strangers who wanted to help the King family created their own Facebook pages ---- at least one of which attracted more than 51,000 fans inside of four days

As of Monday night, Chelsea had not been found. A day earlier, authorities arrested registered sex offender John Albert Gardner III, 30, on suspicion of rape and murder in connection with Chelsea's disappearance.

Call staff writer Teri Figueroa at 760-740-5442.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Missiontoconvict on March 02, 2010, 12:43:01 PM
Thank you for all the updates everyone - this is such a tragedy and to think it can be remedied through more stringent laws and indefinite prison sentences. 

I worked for a group of urologists once and one of the doctors had done extensive studies on sexual misconduct, rape etc. he is active on several committees here locally about this issue.  He told us that chemical and/or surgical sterilization would not be an effective means in dealing with these sorts - it may curb an urge but it does nothing to stop them from wanting to hurt or kill someone - if they can't use their "man part" they will find another way. They have a sickness about power and control.

If they are dangerous enough to require sterilization/castration then they are dangerous enough to be put in prison for the rest of their pathetic lives, the risk it just to great to even try and deal with them IMO  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Anna on March 02, 2010, 12:45:36 PM
http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local-beat/Family-Believes-Missing-Teens-Are-Linked-85951827.html

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub8/AmberChelsea.jpg)

Family Believes Missing Teens Are Linked
John Albert Gardner III has "an unnatural interest in very young girls," according to one prosecutor
By R. STICKNEY, PAUL KRUEGER and MARI PAYTON
Updated 7:10 AM PST, Tue, Mar 2, 2010


Registered sex offender John Albert Gardner III is in custody on suspicion of murder and rape in the case of missing Poway teen Chelsea King.

King was last seen Thursday, Feb. 25 before she headed out for a run after school near Lake Hodges. An article of her clothing found near the lake matched Gardner's DNA, according to law enforcement sources.

But now, family members of another missing North County girl are seeing similarities in the Chelsea King case and their own daughter's disappearance.

Amber Dubois was last seen Feb. 13, 2009 while walking to Escondido High School.

 ::MonkeyShocked::


I have not heard about this before.  Just gets worse and worse.   ::MonkeyNoNo::  I was hoping for Amber to be another case of kidnapping but being kept alive.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: klaasend on March 02, 2010, 01:04:12 PM
Sheriff William Gore just said on Fox that they are led to believe she is in the water, now discussing John Albert Gardners history....exactly my point as to why these SO's should not be getting lenient sentences, if released at all ever again.   WAKE UP PEOPLE!   (general statement)

Makes me crazy too Capps.  These people cannot be cured.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Northern Rose on March 02, 2010, 01:34:55 PM
Suspect in King case linked to assault at park
Officials revisiting ’09 case; divers search Lake Hodges

The investigation into a sex offender suspected of abducting Poway teenager Chelsea King widened yesterday as authorities linked him to a December assault and probed whether he had a role in last year’s disappearance of Escondido teenager Amber Dubois.

Chelsea, a 17-year-old Poway High School student, remains missing despite a massive four-day search that is now focused on a 4-square-mile area near Lake Hodges. Divers from the FBI’s Los Angeles office searched the lake yesterday while volunteers and law enforcement officials combed the shoreline for clues.

John Albert Gardner III, 30, a registered sex offender from Lake Elsinore, was arrested Sunday and is being held in the downtown Central Jail on suspicion of rape and murder in Chelsea’s disappearance. Gardner spent five years in prison after he was convicted 10 years ago of molesting a 13-year-old neighbor girl in his mother’s Rancho Bernardo townhouse.

Authorities late yesterday refused to call the search for Chelsea a recovery mission and vowed to continue looking for her. Meanwhile, family, friends and students held out hope that Chelsea is alive.

“They’ve put this, uh, I won’t even call him a person, in custody,” Brent King, Chelsea’s father, said yesterday.

“They feel they have enough evidence to keep him there and it is helping, I think, lead us to our daughter. And that’s really important to us.”

Chelsea has been missing since Thursday night when she failed to come home from an after-school run at the Rancho Bernardo Community Park, where her locked car was found.

Gardner’s possible involvement in the case of Amber Dubois, a 14-year-old who disappeared while walking to Escondido High School on Feb. 13, 2009, also is under investigation.

Gardner’s mother and stepfather live in a townhouse on Matinal Road in the Westwood neighborhood of Rancho Bernardo, near the park. Gardner registered as a sex offender at an Escondido address as recently as November 2009.

“We see the similarities between the victims, Chelsea and Amber,” Escondido Police Lt. Bob Benton said. “Since Day One, we’ve always been looking for a key piece of information, and something out of this may make that happen.”

Benton would not comment on whether Escondido detectives have tried to question Gardner since his arrest or whether Gardner had been a suspect in the case before Sunday.

Moe Dubois, Amber’s father, said news of Gardner’s arrest sickened him and his ex-wife.

“The reality of it really hit home. It really hit us hard,” he said. “Everyone in the family is in complete denial that Gardner has anything to do with Amber. But in the back of all our heads, we’re all wondering.”

Gardner also has been positively linked to a Dec. 27 attack on a jogger at the same park where Chelsea disappeared, San Diego Police Capt. Jim Collins said.

Collins declined to say how the link was made, citing the ongoing sheriff’s investigation, but said local authorities are working with police in Colorado Springs, Colo., where the 22-year-old victim lives.

San Diego police are revisiting the case to see what evidence was recovered after the attack and to determine whether it can yield further clues.

Collins said the woman was visiting family in the area when she went for a morning jog alone in the park. She was approached by a man who tackled her and demanded money, police said. She hit him in the face with her elbow and got away. Collins said the victim left town before she could work with police on a composite sketch of the assailant.

The victim’s sister has said police took a swab for DNA testing after the attack.

In 2000, Gardner was convicted of a forcible lewd act on a child and false imprisonment after a 13-year-old neighbor girl accused him of repeatedly punching her in the face and touching her private parts. He was sentenced to six years in prison and served five years before he was released in September 2005. He completed probation in 2008.

Court records show that the psychiatrist who interviewed Gardner in that case said the man’s callous attitude and lack of remorse made him “an extremely poor candidate for any sexual offender treatment.”

“It is my opinion that (the defendant) would be a continued danger to underage girls in the community,” said Dr. Matthew Carroll.

Carroll recommended the maximum sentence of 30 years, but a sentencing memorandum from the District Attorney’s Office said prosecutors asked for a six-year sentence to resolve the case without a trial and spare the victim from testifying.

Gardner’s arrest Sunday afternoon occurred outside a Mexican restaurant and bar called Hernandez Hide-A-Way in the small community of Del Dios on the west shore of Lake Hodges near Escondido.

At Poway High School yesterday, a somber mood fell over the campus as students and staff reacted to news of the arrest. Most wore blue shirts to represent the color of Chelsea’s eyes and tied blue ribbons around light poles on campus.

“We’re still hoping for the best, but we’re fearing the worst,” said school counselor Traci Barker-Ball.

Principal Scott Fisher said it had been a “very difficult and emotional weekend” but thanked students for helping in search efforts.

“I don’t know that I’ve ever been so proud of the school,” he said, his voice cracking at times. “Students have just been out there caring for one another, and that’s major during a difficult time.”

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/mar/02/suspect-is-linked-to-assault-at-park/


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Northern Rose on March 02, 2010, 01:42:36 PM
Psychiatrist urged long sentence in sex offender’s case

When 20-year-old John Albert Gardner III molested a 13-year-old girl in his mother’s Rancho Bernardo townhouse 10 years ago, a psychiatrist said he should be locked away for a long time because he “would be a continued danger to underage girls in the community.”

Gardner served five years of a six-year prison sentence.

Now the Lake Elsinore man is being questioned in the disappearance of Poway teenager Chelsea King. She went missing Thursday at a park just down the road from Gardner’s mother’s home, and Gardner is in custody on suspicion of rape and murder.

A decade-old San Diego Superior Court file documents why he was required to register as a sex offender.

On March 16, 2000, Gardner offered two teenage girls a ride to middle school when he saw them waiting for a bus. He dropped one off but brought the 13-year-old back to the townhouse to watch movies. They began watching “Patch Adams” alone, and he started giving her a massage. That led to him touching her sexually over her protestations.

He hit the girl repeatedly in the head and had partly undressed her before she ran out the door “with only one shoe on, holding her pants because she had not yet had a chance to zip them up, and ran to a neighbor’s house.”

That neighbor on Matinal Road, Sue Jones, recalled yesterday how the girl was sobbing hysterically and in shock. Jones said she held the girl until she left in an ambulance.

An 11-page sentencing memo from the District Attorney’s Office summarizes the girl’s devastation.

“Her fear is so great that she had to move, and to change schools,” it reads. “She has lost all of her ability to trust people, and is in need of significant counseling. This ugly incident will undoubtedly affect her for the rest of her life.”

Gardner pleaded guilty on May 31, 2000, to two counts of a lewd act on a child and one count of false imprisonment. Under the terms of Gardner’s plea agreement, the maximum punishment he could have faced was 10 years and eight months in prison. The District Attorney’s Office opted to seek a six-year term because his prior criminal record included only one conviction — for disturbing the peace in San Bernardino County.

Soon after, Dr. Matthew Carroll said Gardner “takes no responsibility whatsoever for his actions” and recommended he “be given the maximum sentence allowed by law.”

Yesterday, Carroll, a Mission Valley psychiatrist, said he doesn’t remember Gardner.

He said he handles six cases a week for the county, including sex offense cases.

“I give neutral, objective recommendations on my viewpoint, and after that, it’s out of my hands,” Carroll said.

David Hendren, chief of the sex crimes and stalking division at the District Attorney’s Office, handled Gardner’s 2000 prosecution.

Hendren declined to comment on Gardner yesterday, saying he wouldn’t talk about a “pending case.”

He also declined to comment on Carroll’s recommendation in 2000 that Gardner be given the maximum sentence allowed by law or the decision to seek a six-year term.

Prosecutors initially charged Gardner with more-violent sex crimes that could have resulted in a sentence of more than 30 years because the terms would have been served consecutively. His plea saved him from significant prison time by allowing him to serve the sentences concurrently.

A California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation spokeswoman said Gardner was in prison five years and on parole three years, until September 2008.
William Halsey, Gardner’s attorney in the 2000 case, said yesterday it was “a struggle” to persuade Gardner to take the plea. Halsey said he remembered that someone had referred Gardner’s mother to him at the time, and she paid his legal bills.
Halsey couldn’t recall all the details of the case after 10 years but said of Gardner, “Basically, he had a version of the facts that were not against her will, wasn’t assaultive, he didn’t know why she ran out of the house.”

Then-District Attorney Paul Pfingst said yesterday that he didn’t recall the 2000 prosecution and that typically, that type of deal would have been arranged without him by a division chief.

He said that in general, people without prior records like Gardner avoid maximum sentences “because that’s what the court rules say. That’s how the judges are instructed.”

The sentencing memo from the District Attorney’s Office notes that sometime during 1999, when Gardner was 19 or 20, he “fondled the breasts of a 14-year-old girl and rubbed her vaginal area over her clothes,” but that it was consensual.

The memo says that girl was a friend of the girl he brought back to his house and molested in 2000.

The last page of the memo notes that prosecutors wanted to resolve the 2000 case short of a trial and “spare the victim the trauma of testifying.”


http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/mar/02/psychiatrist-urged-long-sentence-in-sex-offenders/


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Adam In California on March 02, 2010, 01:46:57 PM
As an update -

California has a Chemical Castration law on the books.  It applies to those who have abused children under 13, and comes into effect only after the second conviction.

Here is how the California State Senate described the law change at the time:

Quote
AB 3339 (Hoge): Chapter 596: Chemical Castration. (Repeals and adds Penal Code Section 645.)

Existing law specifies the punishment for sex offenses where the victim is a child, and provides that the court may direct an operation to be performed upon the offender for the prevention of procreation where the victim is a female under the age of 10 years.

This bill repeals the latter provision and provides instead that any person guilty of a first conviction of specified sex offenses, where the victim is under 13 years of age, may be punished by medroxyprogesterone acetate treatment, upon parole, in addition to any other punishment prescribed by law. The bill requires this punishment upon a second conviction.

http://www.sen.ca.gov/ftp/SEN/COMMITTEE/STANDING/PUBLICSAFETY/bills/_6bill12.htm (http://www.sen.ca.gov/ftp/SEN/COMMITTEE/STANDING/PUBLICSAFETY/bills/_6bill12.htm)

This law change eliminated surgical castration from the books.

My own opinion is that if a violent Sex Offender is determined by the court appointed psychologist to be a poor candidate for Sex Offender treatment (as was Gardner who was described as "un-remorseful") then they should get Chemical Castration for the term of Parole and then continued for as long as they reside in the state.

I know some want a return to surgical castration, but incremental change is more likely to work.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Northern Rose on March 02, 2010, 01:48:48 PM
Family holds out hope for Chelsea King's return

Authorities have resumed the search for 17-year-old Chelsea King in Southern California.

King's father, Brent King, told "The Early Show" on CBS Tuesday that he will keep hoping for her safe return.

The girl vanished after visiting a San Diego County running trail on Thursday.

More than 1,000 volunteers and law enforcement officials aided by an FBI dive team searched a lake and nearby park Monday.

Convicted sex offender John Gardner III is being held for investigation of her rape and murder. Charges have yet to be filed.



SAN DIEGO (AP) — Chelsea King is a straight-A student who plays French horn for the San Diego Youth Symphony, runs on the school cross-country team and actively volunteers in a peer counseling program.

At Poway High School, photos adorn the walls with the caption, "Last seen 2-25 at RB Community Park wearing running clothes."

The 17-year-old's family and authorities are holding out hope she will return safely. Thousands of volunteers have helped search for the teen since she disappeared Thursday, and her father, Brent King, told CBS' "The Early Show" Tuesday, "Until I hear differently, I believe she's alive."

But as optimistic searchers spread out over the popular area for trail runners, police were determining whether to charge a registered sex offender who was arrested Sunday for investigation of the teen's murder and rape.

John Gardner III, 30, remained in custody without bail after his arrest outside a Mexican restaurant in suburban Escondido on Sunday. Steve Walker, a spokesman for the San Diego County district attorney's office, said a decision would be made by Wednesday about filing charges.

Gardner, of Lake Elsinore, pleaded guilty in May 2000 to molesting a 13-year-old female neighbor and was sentenced to six years in prison. Prosecutors say he lured the victim to his home with an offer to watch "Patch Adams," a 1998 movie starring Robin Williams.

Sheriff Bill Gore told ABC's "Good Morning America" on Monday that the questioning of Gardner hadn't produced any leads. Sheriff's spokeswoman Jan Caldwell declined to say if searches of Gardner's home and his mother's San Diego home yielded evidence.

Brent King pleaded for anyone with information about Gardner to come forward. Investigators suspect Gardner could be tied to a Dec. 27 assault on a female jogger from Colorado who fended off her attacker in the same park.

"Anybody who knows anything about the person they have in custody — whatever you want to call him, I can't even put a word to it — please let us know," he said.

In an interview Monday, the Kings, who also have a 13-year-old son, recounted their daughter's disappearance.

Brent, 47, returned from the gym around 5:30 p.m. Thursday, the same time his wife, Kelly, 48, came home with groceries. Their daughter, who always kept them abreast of her whereabouts, wasn't home.

First, they called her cell phone, then her friends. A friend's mother suggested an AT&T Web site, which led them to her cell phone that was left inside her 1994 BMW parked near the tennis courts at the park.

"Because it was so out of character for Chelsea not to tell us or call us and say I'm going to be late ... we just had that feeling," Brent King said.

Kelly called 911 as her husband drove to the park. Brent looked first at the tennis courts, then saw a trail headed into the woods.

"I took off and ran down the trail as far as I could run, calling out for my daughter at the top of my voice in every direction," he said.

Chelsea was born in Poway, a well-to-do suburb of homes and office parks northeast of San Diego. The family followed Brent King's job in mortgage banking to the San Francisco Bay area and to the Chicago area before returning to San Diego. Their home was badly damaged in 2007 wildfires that ravaged Southern California.

Chelsea is taking four Advanced Placement courses and applied to 11 colleges, with an eye toward a career that would combine her interests in writing and environmental protection. She has been accepted to two schools, University of Washington and University of British Columbia.


"She is one of the most driven, personable, caring people that you could ever meet," Brent King said. "Her goal in life is to brighten everyone's day. That's what she does, and when she walks into the room, you know she's there."

She often stays up studying past midnight, working so hard that her parents urge her to ease off and spend more time with friends. Long-distance running was her escape.

"That was her outlet when she was stressed about a test or needed to just clear her head," Kelly King said.

http://www.cbs8.com/Global/story.asp?S=12048619


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 02, 2010, 01:52:47 PM
From Northern's article.   William Halsey, Gardner’s attorney in the 2000 case, said yesterday it was “a struggle” to persuade Gardner to take the plea. Halsey said he remembered that someone had referred Gardner’s mother to him at the time, and she paid his legal bills.  ::MonkeyNoNo:: And mark my words this mother will defend this creature and pay for all his bills. I'm so upset over all this that I can't even see straight.  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Missiontoconvict on March 02, 2010, 01:58:45 PM
Northern Rose, nice to see you I haven't seen you in a while.  Thank you for the articles.   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Northern Rose on March 02, 2010, 02:04:14 PM
From Northern's article.   William Halsey, Gardner’s attorney in the 2000 case, said yesterday it was “a struggle” to persuade Gardner to take the plea. Halsey said he remembered that someone had referred Gardner’s mother to him at the time, and she paid his legal bills.  ::MonkeyNoNo:: And mark my words this mother will defend this creature and pay for all his bills. I'm so upset over all this that I can't even see straight.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

He also "molested a 13-year-old girl in his mother’s Rancho Bernardo townhouse", she found him an attorney, she paid for the attorney, she still lives in said townhouse ...not saying more about how I feel about his mother right now   ::MonkeyMad::   ::MonkeyMad::   ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Northern Rose on March 02, 2010, 02:08:47 PM
Northern Rose, nice to see you I haven't seen you in a while.  Thank you for the articles.   ::MonkeyAngel::

 ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Edward on March 02, 2010, 02:11:33 PM
Looks like his mom is the reason behind the behavior.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Edward on March 02, 2010, 02:12:52 PM
Thinking out loud here. The guy gets paroled Sept 2008 and moves to Rock Springs Road. 6 months later Amber disappears. At some point he is living with his G Mom. They search his Mom's house and G Moms house, and concentrate on the shed (per neighbor)

Neighbor in Lake E says he was always doing things around the house. Putting up shelves, working in the attic....*check that attic

Good thoughts..


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Northern Rose on March 02, 2010, 02:14:13 PM
Classmates react to Poway teen's disappearance

POWAY, Calif. - Students at Poway High School have been struggling with strong emotions and uncertainty since the disappearance of their classmate, Chelsea King, last Thursday.

Principal Scott Fischer said it is the worst crisis he's ever had to deal with.

"There are kids who are sad. There are kids who are angry. There are kids who don't know how to deal with the unknown," Fisher said. "There are kids who need attention, and so we're trying to provide what we can for everybody including staff."

The Poway High School senior Heidi Leininger left school Monday afternoon to post blue ribbons on trees around town with classmates as reminders of hope in finding Chelsea King.

"I just can't imagine what her family is going through right now," she said, sobbing. "All of Poway High is really really missing her right now," she added.

"This was a shock to all of us," said senior Cassie Clough. "We weren't expecting any of this, especially Chelsea. She's such an amazing person."

"She's a straight A student, awesome girl, athlete obviously, cross country," said junior Jack Millard. "She did cross country, and she did volleyball, I think it was. She was just really involved in our school and just loved it all."

Chelsea also lead students in peer counseling, her friends said.

"She was open, she was funny, she loved talking to people," said junior Fifi Akel. "She was the type of person who would sit down and she could have a conversation with you and you wouldn't feel awkward."

The school's entire student body wore blue Monday as a show of solidarity. Students said they plan on wearing orange, Chelsea's favorite color, on Tuesday.

http://www.fox5sandiego.com/news/kswb-who-is-chelsea-king,0,1422308.story


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 02, 2010, 02:15:34 PM
From Northern's article.   William Halsey, Gardner’s attorney in the 2000 case, said yesterday it was “a struggle” to persuade Gardner to take the plea. Halsey said he remembered that someone had referred Gardner’s mother to him at the time, and she paid his legal bills.  ::MonkeyNoNo:: And mark my words this mother will defend this creature and pay for all his bills. I'm so upset over all this that I can't even see straight.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

He also "molested a 13-year-old girl in his mother’s Rancho Bernardo townhouse", she found him an attorney, she paid for the attorney, she still lives in said townhouse ...not saying more about how I feel about his mother right now   ::MonkeyMad::   ::MonkeyMad::   ::MonkeyMad::
I totally understand that, and I will bet money after the attack on Dec 27 with that young 22 year old, mom turned her back when she saw the injuries on him with what the girl did to him.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Northern Rose on March 02, 2010, 02:16:02 PM
Matt Johnson With a Chelsea King Update

http://www.fox5sandiego.com/videobeta/?watchId=f2cc00e1-1128-4811-90ec-545ec7f16f76


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Adam In California on March 02, 2010, 02:16:47 PM
It looks like the SDPD had DNA in December - the same DNA that they say now links Gardner to both the December attack and Chelsea.

Quote
Candice’s sister, a senior at Rancho Bernardo High School, wrote an editorial in the school paper last week about the ordeal, saying police swabbed Candice’s elbow for DNA evidence in hopes of getting a hit.

Police did not disclose what evidence was obtained in the case nor if any tests were conducted.

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/mar/02/mom-recalls-dec-attack-on-daughter/ (http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/mar/02/mom-recalls-dec-attack-on-daughter/)

Someone please explain to me why this is not a scandal.  Why couldn't they have run the DNA in December and taken Gardner into custody then?  Or did they run the DNA and determine that DNA alone was not enough?  If it was a bad and inconclusive sample in December, why is it good enough to link the crimes now?


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: klaasend on March 02, 2010, 02:19:13 PM
Matt Johnson With a Chelsea King Update

http://www.fox5sandiego.com/videobeta/?watchId=f2cc00e1-1128-4811-90ec-545ec7f16f76

 


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Northern Rose on March 02, 2010, 02:19:19 PM
Fox has the live chopper cam streaming again

http://www.fox5sandiego.com/kswb-ls-breaking-news,0,1004613.tividlivestream


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 02, 2010, 02:21:13 PM
It looks like the SDPD had DNA in December - the same DNA that they say now links Gardner to both the December attack and Chelsea.

Quote
Candice’s sister, a senior at Rancho Bernardo High School, wrote an editorial in the school paper last week about the ordeal, saying police swabbed Candice’s elbow for DNA evidence in hopes of getting a hit.

Police did not disclose what evidence was obtained in the case nor if any tests were conducted.

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/mar/02/mom-recalls-dec-attack-on-daughter/ (http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/mar/02/mom-recalls-dec-attack-on-daughter/)

Someone please explain to me why this is not a scandal.  Why couldn't they have run the DNA in December and taken Gardner into custody then?  Or did they run the DNA and determine that DNA alone was not enough?  If it was a bad and inconclusive sample in December, why is it good enough to link the crimes now?

I'm not only trying to figure this out, but why weren't there posters put up in the park about an attack to warn people.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: klaasend on March 02, 2010, 02:21:14 PM
It looks like the SDPD had DNA in December - the same DNA that they say now links Gardner to both the December attack and Chelsea.

Quote
Candice’s sister, a senior at Rancho Bernardo High School, wrote an editorial in the school paper last week about the ordeal, saying police swabbed Candice’s elbow for DNA evidence in hopes of getting a hit.

Police did not disclose what evidence was obtained in the case nor if any tests were conducted.

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/mar/02/mom-recalls-dec-attack-on-daughter/ (http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/mar/02/mom-recalls-dec-attack-on-daughter/)

Someone please explain to me why this is not a scandal.  Why couldn't they have run the DNA in December and taken Gardner into custody then?  Or did they run the DNA and determine that DNA alone was not enough?  If it was a bad and inconclusive sample in December, why is it good enough to link the crimes now?


I was wondering that myself.  Why on earth didn't they make the connection back in December? 


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 02, 2010, 02:22:21 PM
Thanks for the live stream and video.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Northern Rose on March 02, 2010, 02:23:32 PM
The dog on the front of the boat in the live stream , anyone know what the dog is trained to do or find?


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 02, 2010, 02:25:14 PM
The dog on the front of the boat in the live stream , anyone know what the dog is trained to do or find?
Sorry, no I don't.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Northern Rose on March 02, 2010, 02:25:36 PM
Lady in chopper just said it is a cadaver dog and there are two out there.  Dog is hitting on something. 


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Tracygirl on March 02, 2010, 02:26:50 PM

What I find odd, he had been at his mothers for a while although he had another place, maybe 2 others...Why was he hanging out with mom? Does anyone feel that perhaps he went back to the trail to finish what he started? Does anyone know if Chelsea resembles the December jogger? Why did he go back to the same place and do the same thing if he failed prior? Thinking as a crazy person would, maybe he needed to get this done. Maybe he didn't like to fail and needed to have his fantacy played out?

Sorry about this question, but if he put her in water, wouldn't they have found a body floating by now. He could have dumped her or he buried her. Anyone know when trash is picked up in that area? Are there any dumpsters close by? did they search the dumpsters at the townhomes he lived at?


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Northern Rose on March 02, 2010, 02:27:03 PM
Dog looks like he wants to jump into the water there by the reeds the boat keeps circling.  DOG JUMPED IN!!!!


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: klaasend on March 02, 2010, 02:30:48 PM
FoxNews is implying breaking news in the case


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: sebastian on March 02, 2010, 02:32:38 PM
It looks like the SDPD had DNA in December - the same DNA that they say now links Gardner to both the December attack and Chelsea.

Quote
Candice’s sister, a senior at Rancho Bernardo High School, wrote an editorial in the school paper last week about the ordeal, saying police swabbed Candice’s elbow for DNA evidence in hopes of getting a hit.

Police did not disclose what evidence was obtained in the case nor if any tests were conducted.

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/mar/02/mom-recalls-dec-attack-on-daughter/ (http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/mar/02/mom-recalls-dec-attack-on-daughter/)

Someone please explain to me why this is not a scandal.  Why couldn't they have run the DNA in December and taken Gardner into custody then?  Or did they run the DNA and determine that DNA alone was not enough?  If it was a bad and inconclusive sample in December, why is it good enough to link the crimes now?


I was wondering that myself.  Why on earth didn't they make the connection back in December? 

We are going to hear "lack of funding, backlogs in the labs" BLAH BLAH BLAH. If she did not get away and he had killed her, maybe they would have expedited it!


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: trimmonthelake on March 02, 2010, 02:33:15 PM
Fox has the live chopper cam streaming again

http://www.fox5sandiego.com/kswb-ls-breaking-news,0,1004613.tividlivestream

Thanks Northern    ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Edward on March 02, 2010, 02:34:34 PM
He is NOT cooperating and is currently in the jail medical ward at the central jail but they will not tell us why.

This is common... Same as the Tracy Ocasio suspect.. They play the system.

He has been incarcerated for years..He knows how to play the system.
And His Rights are Top Priority under the rules of the system.
His safety
His meals
His comfort
His health

It is all about him.

The best thing that could happen is that they put him in general population and turn their backs.

The police should take him aside and beat him senseless.. :smt075 :smt079 :smt021 :smt093 :smt076 :smt021 :smt021
But then some lawyer would defend him for $$$$$$$
That is where we are at.

Finding Amber and Finding Chelsea are the only hope for conviction.

He will not help anyone.

where does he work and where has he worked in the last year and a half.

Has anyone ever checked the landfill ?
He may have put her body in a trash dumpster.



Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: cartfly on March 02, 2010, 02:38:05 PM
You can look him up here:
http://www.meganslaw.ca.gov/

He shows no known alias's

That is the only site I can find a listing for him. It says no alias's but It hink that is known aliases. Honestly, look him up on veromi even..not there and everyone is found on there, lol.

I even did an address search for the Lake Elsenore addy and he does not come up. I did a search under the addy for the apartment edward listed, nothing. I did a california search, nothing. Either I need a break or there is no John Albert Gardner III born 4/09/1979.


Wow, this thread has moved quickly since yesterday. I am still catching up but wanted to comment if nothing has been found on this guy. ::MonkeyEek::
Tracy- I too could not find anything at all on this guy. I kept coming up with a Carolyn (mom's name?) with an age of 109....I would love to find some locals posting somewheres who went to school with this guy or worked with him. I doubt he actually owns any "homes". He looks like the type that lives off of Mom and Dad and doesn't take any responsiblity for anything, just my opinion though.

I also feel like this incident wasn't his first hayride ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo::
To me anyone covicted of any violent sexual assault should automatically be chemically castrated, period. I would seriously go back to school to sign up for that job! What a rewarding job that would be.::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: klaasend on March 02, 2010, 02:43:24 PM
FoxNews is implying breaking news in the case

They got nothin


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Northern Rose on March 02, 2010, 02:44:08 PM
You can look him up here:
http://www.meganslaw.ca.gov/

He shows no known alias's

That is the only site I can find a listing for him. It says no alias's but It hink that is known aliases. Honestly, look him up on veromi even..not there and everyone is found on there, lol.

I even did an address search for the Lake Elsenore addy and he does not come up. I did a search under the addy for the apartment edward listed, nothing. I did a california search, nothing. Either I need a break or there is no John Albert Gardner III born 4/09/1979.


Wow, this thread has moved quickly since yesterday. I am still catching up but wanted to comment if nothing has been found on this guy. ::MonkeyEek::
Tracy- I too could not find anything at all on this guy. I kept coming up with a Carolyn (mom's name?) with an age of 109....I would love to find some locals posting somewheres who went to school with this guy or worked with him. I doubt he actually owns any "homes". He looks like the type that lives off of Mom and Dad and doesn't take any responsiblity for anything, just my opinion though.

I also feel like this incident wasn't his first hayride ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo::
To me anyone covicted of any violent sexual assault should automatically be chemically castrated, period. I would seriously go back to school to sign up for that job! What a rewarding job that would be.::MonkeyCool::
Seems like a waste of good chemicals.  I have a set of horse castration pliers I would donate.  They are reusable so no ongoing cost and environmentally friendly.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Adam In California on March 02, 2010, 02:46:25 PM
more on the monster -

Quote
Prosecutors in a prior sexual assault conviction described Gardner as having “an unnatural interest in very young girls.

Gardner was charged with four felony counts in March of 2000 after he approached two girls waiting at a school bus stop and offered them a ride to school. One of the girls agreed to go to Gardner’s home to watch movies. Once there, according to court documents, Gardner pulled her pants and underwear down and hit her repeatedly in the face while rubbing himself and touching her.

According to court records, Gardner’s 2000 victim said “he had his hand on my mouth and I couldn’t breathe and I got pretty fuzzy after he hit me and I’m not sure if I blacked out.” The girl, then 13, got away with one shoe on and ran into a neighbor’s garage.

Gardner jumped in his car and left the scene. The crimes occurred about a month before his 21st birthday.

He was charged with three counts of forcible lewd act upon a child and one count of false Imprisonment by violence, menace, fraud or deceit. On May 31, two months later, he pleaded guilty to two counts of forcible lewd act and the single count of false imprisonment.

Gardner faced a maximum prison sentence of 10 years and 8 months. On September 13, 2000 he was sentenced to six years in state prison, and ordered to pay a $1200 fine.

In the sentencing summary, prosecutors considered Gardner’s actions “extremely predatory, and this makes him very dangerous despite his minor prior record. When combined with his callous attitude and refusal to admit any wrongdoing, defendant demonstrates that he is an extreme danger to others and needs to be imprisoned to protect society.

Such monsters should get chemical castration as a mandatory on first offense.  We  need to stop screwing around giving these cruel b@st@rds the benefit of the doubt.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: cartfly on March 02, 2010, 02:49:43 PM
You can look him up here:
http://www.meganslaw.ca.gov/

He shows no known alias's

That is the only site I can find a listing for him. It says no alias's but It hink that is known aliases. Honestly, look him up on veromi even..not there and everyone is found on there, lol.

I even did an address search for the Lake Elsenore addy and he does not come up. I did a search under the addy for the apartment edward listed, nothing. I did a california search, nothing. Either I need a break or there is no John Albert Gardner III born 4/09/1979.


Wow, this thread has moved quickly since yesterday. I am still catching up but wanted to comment if nothing has been found on this guy. ::MonkeyEek::
Tracy- I too could not find anything at all on this guy. I kept coming up with a Carolyn (mom's name?) with an age of 109....I would love to find some locals posting somewheres who went to school with this guy or worked with him. I doubt he actually owns any "homes". He looks like the type that lives off of Mom and Dad and doesn't take any responsiblity for anything, just my opinion though.

I also feel like this incident wasn't his first hayride ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo::
To me anyone covicted of any violent sexual assault should automatically be chemically castrated, period. I would seriously go back to school to sign up for that job! What a rewarding job that would be.::MonkeyCool::
Seems like a waste of good chemicals.  I have a set of horse castration pliers I would donate.  They are reusable so no ongoing cost and environmentally friendly.
::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyDevil::
"Have pliers, will travel!"


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Tracygirl on March 02, 2010, 02:50:52 PM
Here is my opinion on chemical castration. I don't think it will stop this sort of crime. It would make us feel better but rape is not a sexually motivating crime, it has nothing to do with sex but about power. Over powering someone sexually is the most intense way of taking from that person this is why they use it. If they could not use their body part to have sex with their victim they would use something else. Their motivation is power and their drive comes from anger not sexual need. Anyway, that is just my opinion...


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: klaasend on March 02, 2010, 02:51:51 PM
Here is my opinion on chemical castration. I don't think it will stop this sort of crime. It would make us feel better but rape is not a sexually motivating crime, it has nothing to do with sex but about power. Over powering someone sexually is the most intense way of taking from that person this is why they use it. If they could not use their body part to have sex with their victim they would use something else. Their motivation is power and their drive comes from anger not sexual need. Anyway, that is just my opinion...

Tracygirl - I agree and I'm affraid it would give us a false sense of security


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Rob on March 02, 2010, 02:57:27 PM
It looks like the SDPD had DNA in December - the same DNA that they say now links Gardner to both the December attack and Chelsea.

Quote
Candice’s sister, a senior at Rancho Bernardo High School, wrote an editorial in the school paper last week about the ordeal, saying police swabbed Candice’s elbow for DNA evidence in hopes of getting a hit.

Police did not disclose what evidence was obtained in the case nor if any tests were conducted.

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/mar/02/mom-recalls-dec-attack-on-daughter/ (http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/mar/02/mom-recalls-dec-attack-on-daughter/)

Someone please explain to me why this is not a scandal.  Why couldn't they have run the DNA in December and taken Gardner into custody then?  Or did they run the DNA and determine that DNA alone was not enough?  If it was a bad and inconclusive sample in December, why is it good enough to link the crimes now?


ohhh it's gonna be a scandal alright, and you can bet your bippie the authorities have been suppressing this lil tidbit.

when I made the post about the expedited DNA yesterday - I sort of knew that Gardner's DNA was sitting somewhere in a previous case. It's how these things always go - but this time someone was raped and murdered. In a case like this, someone like Schwartznegger will say it was all because of underfunding and nothing to do with the outrageous spending occurring in California (And that's irregardless of whether it was Gray Davis or Arnold... it's all upside down and inside out).

So, while the search continues and the authorities don't want the fingers pointing - a little girl was murdered and it was all preventable. The next step will be for a new law that does nothing and in 12 months it will all happen again due to the incompetents that run state governments from coast to coast. This is what I refer to so lovingly as the era of idiocy.

Someone has to take the blame for all this ... but it will be a pass the buck sort of thing - that authorities hope most will forget until it occurs again, and believe me it WILL happen again. The archives here are full of cases where only the name changes.

to answer your question - the DNA was enough and this crime should have never happened.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Rob on March 02, 2010, 02:59:09 PM
Edward -

Was the murder weapon found in his truck / car? caked with Chelsea's DNA...

one  ::MonkeyWink:: for yes

two  ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo:: for no


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: klaasend on March 02, 2010, 02:59:11 PM
(http://media.signonsandiego.com/img/photos/2010/03/01/breen22_t600.JPG?42b0fb247f69dabe2ae440581a34634cbc5420f3)

Volunteers still aim to 'Bring Chelsea Home'
More than 4,000 have joined search around Rancho Bernardo Community Park


By Craig Gustafson, UNION-TRIBUNE STAFF WRITER

Originally published March 2, 2010 at 12:02 a.m., updated March 2, 2010 at 11:22 a.m.

The hundreds of volunteers gathered Tuesday morning to help search for missing Poway teenager Chelsea King are sticking to their message -- “Bring Chelsea Home” -- even though the unspoken fear is that it may not be possible to bring her home alive.

One couple, James and Vicki Byrne, said they had no choice but to come and help as the search entered its fifth day.

“I’ve got a son and daughter and two grandkids and I can’t just sit around at home,” said Vicki Byrne of Clairemont. “I’d rather do something productive, make a difference.”

James Byrne added emphatically: “It’s not a recovery thing.”

More than 4,000 volunteers have helped comb the areas in and around Rancho Bernardo Community Park. Chelsea, a 17-year-old Poway High School student, went missing there Thursday night after going there for an after-school run. Authorities have focused on nearby Lake Hodges with divers sifting the lake’s waters and investigators searching the shoreline for clues.

Meanwhile, the investigation into the sex offender suspected of abducting Chelsea widened as authorities linked him to a December assault and probed whether he had a role in last year’s disappearance of Escondido teenager Amber Dubois.

John Albert Gardner III, 30, a registered sex offender from Lake Elsinore, was arrested Sunday and is being held in the downtown Central Jail on suspicion of rape and murder in Chelsea’s disappearance. Gardner spent five years in prison after he was convicted 10 years ago of molesting a 13-year-old neighbor girl in his mother’s Rancho Bernardo townhouse.

He is scheduled to be arraigned Wednesday on charges of rape and murder.

In an interview Monday, Chelsea’s father, Brent King, said he hoped the arrest would lead to his daughter’s whereabouts.

“They’ve put this, uh, I won’t even call him a person, in custody,” he said. “They feel they have enough evidence to keep him there and it is helping, I think, lead us to our daughter.”

A candlelight vigil is set for 7 p.m. Tuesday at Poway’s St. Michael Catholic Church, 15546 Pomerado Rd.

Gardner’s possible involvement in the case of Amber Dubois, a 14-year-old who disappeared while walking to Escondido High School on Feb. 13, 2009, also is under investigation.

Gardner’s mother and stepfather live in a townhouse on Matinal Road in the Westwood neighborhood of Rancho Bernardo, near the park. As recently as November 2009, Gardner registered as a sex offender at an Escondido address, two miles from Escondido High School, near where Amber went missing.

“We see the similarities between the victims, Chelsea and Amber,” Escondido Police Lt. Bob Benton said. “Since Day One, we’ve always been looking for a key piece of information, and something out of this may make that happen.”

Benton would not comment on whether Escondido detectives have tried to question Gardner since his arrest or whether Gardner had been a suspect in the case before Sunday.

Moe Dubois, Amber’s father, said news of Gardner’s arrest sickened him and his ex-wife.

“The reality of it really hit home. It really hit us hard,” he said. “Everyone in the family is in complete denial that Gardner has anything to do with Amber. But in the back of all our heads, we’re all wondering.”

Gardner also has been positively linked to a Dec. 27 attack on a jogger at the same park where Chelsea disappeared, San Diego Police Capt. Jim Collins said.

Collins declined to say how the link was made, citing the ongoing sheriff’s investigation, but said local authorities are working with police in Colorado Springs, Colo., where the 22-year-old victim lives.
(snipped)


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Tracygirl on March 02, 2010, 02:59:47 PM
Here is my opinion on chemical castration. I don't think it will stop this sort of crime. It would make us feel better but rape is not a sexually motivating crime, it has nothing to do with sex but about power. Over powering someone sexually is the most intense way of taking from that person this is why they use it. If they could not use their body part to have sex with their victim they would use something else. Their motivation is power and their drive comes from anger not sexual need. Anyway, that is just my opinion...

Tracygirl - I agree and I'm affraid it would give us a false sense of security

Yea I think it would as well. It is not the answer. Rape needs to be a manditory life sentance. jmo


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 02, 2010, 03:01:02 PM
Dog looks like he wants to jump into the water there by the reeds the boat keeps circling.  DOG JUMPED IN!!!!
Just got back from a walk, thank-you.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: klaasend on March 02, 2010, 03:02:09 PM
Looks like maybe there will be a press conference - live link

http://www.cbs8.com/#


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: cartfly on March 02, 2010, 03:03:50 PM
Here is my opinion on chemical castration. I don't think it will stop this sort of crime. It would make us feel better but rape is not a sexually motivating crime, it has nothing to do with sex but about power. Over powering someone sexually is the most intense way of taking from that person this is why they use it. If they could not use their body part to have sex with their victim they would use something else. Their motivation is power and their drive comes from anger not sexual need. Anyway, that is just my opinion...
So true Tracy! I guess I just want all of this to stop and I mean stop now. I am angry and frustrated. I understand every case it is different. I am not interested in the 18 year old who is caught having sex with his 16 year old girlfriend. He in my opinion is not the problem. I know nothing will completely prevent this from happening. What can we do to prevent this thing from happening? What needs to change? I hate that I can't even let my 12 and 7 year old boys go to the bathroom at chuckee cheese without being right outside the door. I feel safe in my town but still never let my guard down no matter where we are whether it is church, school or park. I hate that we have to live this way. ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: cartfly on March 02, 2010, 03:06:41 PM
Here is my opinion on chemical castration. I don't think it will stop this sort of crime. It would make us feel better but rape is not a sexually motivating crime, it has nothing to do with sex but about power. Over powering someone sexually is the most intense way of taking from that person this is why they use it. If they could not use their body part to have sex with their victim they would use something else. Their motivation is power and their drive comes from anger not sexual need. Anyway, that is just my opinion...
So true Tracy! I guess I just want all of this to stop and I mean stop now. I am angry and frustrated. I understand every case it is different. I am not interested in the 18 year old who is caught having sex with his 16 year old girlfriend. He in my opinion is not the problem. I know nothing will completely prevent this from happening. What can we do to prevent this thing from happening? What needs to change? I hate that I can't even let my 12 and 7 year old boys go to the bathroom at chuckee cheese without being right outside the door. I feel safe in my town but still never let my guard down no matter where we are whether it is church, school or park. I hate that we have to live this way. ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: klaasend on March 02, 2010, 03:10:12 PM
Looks like maybe there will be a press conference - live link

http://www.cbs8.com/#

Now on the website the mention of a press conference is gone, so maybe they jumped the gun.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Edward on March 02, 2010, 03:11:00 PM
Edward -

Was the murder weapon found in his truck / car? caked with Chelsea's DNA...

one  ::MonkeyWink:: for yes

two  ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo:: for no

Maybe a DNA bomb went off in his vehicle.. We will ALL have to wait and see..

So I pick... one  ::MonkeyWink:: for yes .. At least for now.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Rob on March 02, 2010, 03:11:20 PM
As a body decomposed - a cadaver dog will naturally smell that decay and those gases. Remember this is how Tim Miller found Tiki Buggs.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Edward on March 02, 2010, 03:14:32 PM
Finding Chelsea is very important..
Finding Amber is very important..

A body will send him away forever with very little effort on the prosecutors part.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Rob on March 02, 2010, 03:15:33 PM
Edward -

Was the murder weapon found in his truck / car? caked with Chelsea's DNA...

one  ::MonkeyWink:: for yes

two  ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo:: for no

Maybe a DNA bomb went off in his vehicle.. We will ALL have to wait and see..

So I pick... one  ::MonkeyWink:: for yes .. At least for now.


gracias muchísimo - cuando sospeché


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Edward on March 02, 2010, 03:18:05 PM
I ASSUME..
When he was arrested at the restaurant his transportation to the restaurant was confiscated.

Charges of rape and murder followed..

2+2=4 no matter how you add it up.  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: sebastian on March 02, 2010, 03:18:55 PM
So I found where he "may" have gone to school. Rim of the world in Lake Arrowhead. You don't think he would take her body all of the way up there do you?


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Tracygirl on March 02, 2010, 03:19:23 PM
Here is my opinion on chemical castration. I don't think it will stop this sort of crime. It would make us feel better but rape is not a sexually motivating crime, it has nothing to do with sex but about power. Over powering someone sexually is the most intense way of taking from that person this is why they use it. If they could not use their body part to have sex with their victim they would use something else. Their motivation is power and their drive comes from anger not sexual need. Anyway, that is just my opinion...
So true Tracy! I guess I just want all of this to stop and I mean stop now. I am angry and frustrated. I understand every case it is different. I am not interested in the 18 year old who is caught having sex with his 16 year old girlfriend. He in my opinion is not the problem. I know nothing will completely prevent this from happening. What can we do to prevent this thing from happening? What needs to change? I hate that I can't even let my 12 and 7 year old boys go to the bathroom at chuckee cheese without being right outside the door. I feel safe in my town but still never let my guard down no matter where we are whether it is church, school or park. I hate that we have to live this way. ::MonkeyMad::

I am not sure if there is one easy answer to change this, I think a lot of things needs to change but one major thing? I think as a society we need to take the power back. We (society) are allowing this to happen. jmo


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 02, 2010, 03:19:25 PM

A friend at work was just telling me about an incident at the Westwood Club (very, very near the yard of his mom's home) with a peeping tom about a year ago, and that the guy was chased away by lifeguards. Once she saw him the other day on the news she said it looked like JAG. So it's being reported.  ::MonkeyNoNo:: A comment from a local from WS. God only knows what this creature has all been doing.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Tracygirl on March 02, 2010, 03:22:45 PM
So I found where he "may" have gone to school. Rim of the world in Lake Arrowhead. You don't think he would take her body all of the way up there do you?

Sebastian does this persons birthday match up? There is another person in that area that has a similar name, John A. Gardner, the middle name is different though and the birthday is in June and not April.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Adam In California on March 02, 2010, 03:23:05 PM
Here is my opinion on chemical castration. I don't think it will stop this sort of crime. It would make us feel better but rape is not a sexually motivating crime, it has nothing to do with sex but about power. Over powering someone sexually is the most intense way of taking from that person this is why they use it. If they could not use their body part to have sex with their victim they would use something else. Their motivation is power and their drive comes from anger not sexual need. Anyway, that is just my opinion...

I have seen different numbers, but they tend around 90% reduction in recidivism.  Not 100% but better than now.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Northern Rose on March 02, 2010, 03:25:55 PM
Latest on Chelsea King from Greg Bledsoe - No new info from sheriff's, there are a lot of volunteers lining up to help at the search center.
4 minutes ago via TweetDeck

http://twitter.com/nbcsandiego


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: sebastian on March 02, 2010, 03:26:39 PM
So I found where he "may" have gone to school. Rim of the world in Lake Arrowhead. You don't think he would take her body all of the way up there do you?

Sebastian does this persons birthday match up? There is another person in that area that has a similar name, John A. Gardner, the middle name is different though and the birthday is in June and not April.

Hi Tracy,
I don't have a classmates.com, do you? It would not give me much except that there was a John Gardner who went to school in Lake Arrowhead from 93-97. The only reason I thought it might be him was because he was arrested in 1998 up in Twin Peaks. We have a cabin up in that area and Twin Peaks is a little community in Lake Arrowhead. I do have an ancestry.com account and I found a John A. Gardner Jr from  that was born in Overton NE the same year. Weird that I could not get anything else on him AT ALL at ancestry.com. I am thinking that maybe he was adopted by his step-dad? and took his name after his birth?


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Edward on March 02, 2010, 03:26:51 PM
if you cut off one big toe on each foot and one thumb on each hand and then there nuts.
They will not give anyone any trouble because they wont be able to run after anyone and they wont be able to grab anyone and just in-case they fall on someone nothing will work.

Problem solved.

The message brought to you by citizens against chemicals.  ::MonkeyBike::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: klaasend on March 02, 2010, 03:26:53 PM
Edward -

Was the murder weapon found in his truck / car? caked with Chelsea's DNA...

one  ::MonkeyWink:: for yes

two  ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo:: for no

Maybe a DNA bomb went off in his vehicle.. We will ALL have to wait and see..

So I pick... one  ::MonkeyWink:: for yes .. At least for now.


IMO for them to charge him with rape and murder they have to have something other than rape evidence.  Whether that's her blood in his vehicle or a weapon is anyones guess at this point but I would imagine they MUST have something for a murder charge.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: sebastian on March 02, 2010, 03:28:01 PM
Tracy,
I am going over to send you nanners and then I have to go back to work for a bit.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: mizjay on March 02, 2010, 03:32:32 PM
Here is my opinion on chemical castration. I don't think it will stop this sort of crime. It would make us feel better but rape is not a sexually motivating crime, it has nothing to do with sex but about power. Over powering someone sexually is the most intense way of taking from that person this is why they use it. If they could not use their body part to have sex with their victim they would use something else. Their motivation is power and their drive comes from anger not sexual need. Anyway, that is just my opinion...
So true Tracy! I guess I just want all of this to stop and I mean stop now. I am angry and frustrated. I understand every case it is different. I am not interested in the 18 year old who is caught having sex with his 16 year old girlfriend. He in my opinion is not the problem. I know nothing will completely prevent this from happening. What can we do to prevent this thing from happening? What needs to change? I hate that I can't even let my 12 and 7 year old boys go to the bathroom at chuckee cheese without being right outside the door. I feel safe in my town but still never let my guard down no matter where we are whether it is church, school or park. I hate that we have to live this way. ::MonkeyMad::

I am not sure if there is one easy answer to change this, I think a lot of things needs to change but one major thing? I think as a society we need to take the power back. We (society) are allowing this to happen. jmo

ITA~  One thing that needs to change is the court's view on the priority of sexual crimes. We trust that LE will use the tools available, such as DNA base for the Dec. assault, we trust that warnings would be posted, but somewhere along the line it seems like sex crimes are treated like bothersome cases. They would rather concentrate on drug busts. Drugs are terrible but usually the damage is done to ppl. who choose to be part of that l;ifestyle.  Sex crimes/rape devastate innocent victims and as criminals learn the system they learn not to leave any witnesses, that's my take on it anyway.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Northern Rose on March 02, 2010, 03:33:08 PM
Message from Kelly and Brent:
We are looking forward to attending the vigil for Chelsea tonight at St. Michaels church in Poway. We will join them in their unity on Chelsea’s behalf and focus again in bringing Chelsea home. We appreciate all the time and focus our community has dedicated to our daughter.

15546 Pomerado Rd., Poway
Guests are encouraged to carpool and park respectfully in local neighborhoods if necessary.
Chelseas family and friends will speak about Chelsea and a silent prayer procession will follow.

http://www.facebook.com/chelseakingsearchcenter


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Adam In California on March 02, 2010, 03:35:34 PM
@edward -

Your profile says Monterey area.  I lived in Capitola for a while and was in the 7th ID for a little while at Ord.

Small world.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Adam In California on March 02, 2010, 03:37:09 PM
BTW - I have emailed a couple of journalists on the whole "did they miss the DNA in December" question.  I'll post when/if they reply.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Edward on March 02, 2010, 03:37:28 PM
Edward -

Was the murder weapon found in his truck / car? caked with Chelsea's DNA...

one  ::MonkeyWink:: for yes

two  ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo:: for no

Maybe a DNA bomb went off in his vehicle.. We will ALL have to wait and see..

So I pick... one  ::MonkeyWink:: for yes .. At least for now.


IMO for them to charge him with rape and murder they have to have something other than rape evidence.  Whether that's her blood in his vehicle or a weapon is anyones guess at this point but I would imagine they MUST have something for a murder charge.

He beat his last known victim sensless.. she almost lost and eye from what I read..
Blood in the vehicle you say ?
Sounds logical to me.

 


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 02, 2010, 03:39:20 PM
So I found where he "may" have gone to school. Rim of the world in Lake Arrowhead. You don't think he would take her body all of the way up there do you?
I was thinking about that, and I mentioned the other day that he would have to travel on Ortega Highway if I'm not mistaken, lot of space between his mom's house and up to Lake Elsinore  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Northern Rose on March 02, 2010, 03:39:25 PM
The Search for Chelsea King
The focus of the official search is a 14-mile stretch of Lake Hodges

(http://media.nbclosangeles.com/images/410*307/Chelsea-King-Volunteers_2.jpg)

As law enforcement focused on a 14-mile stretch of the Lake Hodges shore and searched through the night, hundreds of volunteers are organizing for yet another day of searching for missing Poway teenager Chelsea King.

The 17-year-old's family and authorities are holding out hope that she will return safely. She disappeared Thursday, and a search for her has spread over an area of about four square miles, covered with rocks and heavy vegetation. The focus of the search has been on the waters and shore of Lake Hodges, a popular area for trail runners.

More than 100 officers from multiple agencies are involved in the official search for Chelsea. An FBI dive team was brought in Monday equipped with sonar equipment to aid in the search.

John Gardner III, 30, remained in custody without bail after his arrest outside a Mexican restaurant in suburban Escondido on Sunday.

Volunteers wanting to help in the search for Chelsea King Tuesday should go to 11858 Bernardo Plaza Ct. in Rancho Bernardo behind Citibank. As of 10 a.m., hundreds of people arrived to volunteer and the line snaked around the building.

More than 1,000 people showed up to help search each day over the weekend and on Monday, volunteers numbered more than 900. The FBI and police are searching a core area and preparing grid maps for the volunteers to focus on. Organizers like Doug Lambell then assign volunteers to areas of the grid map.

"What we do then is give them a big briefing, we tell them what we can expect on the search, break them into groups of 15 or 20," said Lambell. "We're getting qualified team leaders, those with prior military or police experience come help us be team leaders."

"I have two young daughters and no good reason not to be here so if the situation were reversed I'd wonder why everybody wasn't here," said John Lingham.

Volunteer search coordinators say they will keep the momentum going as long as they can -- or until Chelsea is found.

Sources say they found Gardner’s DNA on some of Chelsea King's clothing found on the shores of the lake. Gardner was in the criminal database because of a 2000 conviction of lewd act with a child.

Gardner had been living at his mother's Rancho Bernardo home about a mile from the search area. Agents have taken property from the home where a hand-written sign was posted Monday: "We have no statement, please stay off of our property."

Gardner also had a home in Lake Elsinore. Neighbors say agents kicked down the door looking for Gardner Sunday. He wasn't there.

According to court records from his 2000 conviction, Gardner picked up a 13 year-old girl at a bus stop, took her back to his Rancho Bernardo home, where he assaulted and beat her. His five-year prison term ended in 2005, after which he served three years parole.

Gardner has been linked to another attack involving a female jogger near Lake Hodges on Dec. 27, 2009, investigators said.

Gardner is scheduled to be arraigned tomorrow. Steve Walker, a spokesman for the San Diego County district attorney's office said a decision would be made by Wednesday about filing charges against the registered sex offender.

http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local-beat/The-Search-for-Chelsea-King-85947917.html



Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Edward on March 02, 2010, 03:41:16 PM
@edward -

Your profile says Monterey area.  I lived in Capitola for a while and was in the 7th ID for a little while at Ord.

Small world.

Yes I do live here..
It is a small world.
Welcome to Scared Monkeys  ::MonkeyFootball::
We have had quite a few friends out of Fort Ord over the years..


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 02, 2010, 03:42:31 PM
BTW - I have emailed a couple of journalists on the whole "did they miss the DNA in December" question.  I'll post when/if they reply.
Thanks. I'm just guessing here, but the way I read the attack in Dec, it appeared to be an attack for money. So I would assume that was way lower on priorities, imo. I don't believe it was an attack to get this girl's money at all, but isn't that the way it seemed to go down? I'm rather confused on that.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Rob on March 02, 2010, 03:44:32 PM
Edward -

Was the murder weapon found in his truck / car? caked with Chelsea's DNA...

one  ::MonkeyWink:: for yes

two  ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo:: for no

Maybe a DNA bomb went off in his vehicle.. We will ALL have to wait and see..

So I pick... one  ::MonkeyWink:: for yes .. At least for now.


IMO for them to charge him with rape and murder they have to have something other than rape evidence.  Whether that's her blood in his vehicle or a weapon is anyones guess at this point but I would imagine they MUST have something for a murder charge.

I concur. The underwear with the semen is the rape charge... however, there must be something wayyyyyyy out of the ordinary  - and in his vehicle - that screams out MURDER (of course that is absent of a body)...

A missing stranger's underwear with the semen of a previously incarcerated predator is enough to believe rape occurred (might not be enough in a court of law, but it's enough for now... and no I'm not saying that a rape didn't occur, but you know how defense attorneys are, and what they sling against the wall.. and that could even be that he FOUND the underwear... a body would REVEAL a rape - and that's what's needed in a court of law.. can't speculate what happen in court, it needs to be PROVEN to a JURY OF REASONABLE PEOPLE

... but to jump to MURDER there had to be something almost as incriminating a video or photographs. Blood on a knife would naturally allow that conclusion... and so would a very large amount of blood in his vehicle. A small amount of blood, containing Chelsea's DNA, on a knife MIGHT not allow the authorities to conclude that she was dead. In my humble opinion, it would need to be something very very incriminating and something that can not be denied. After-all, they have no body as I'm typing this and they have made the announcement that she is deceased and her parents have heard that news. They must be sure.

Considering that the search is taking place in general area where she was last known - it doesn't seem as if he transported her - yet.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: cartfly on March 02, 2010, 03:45:23 PM
if you cut off one big toe on each foot and one thumb on each hand and then there nuts.
They will not give anyone any trouble because they wont be able to run after anyone and they wont be able to grab anyone and just in-case they fall on someone nothing will work.

Problem solved.

The message brought to you by citizens against chemicals.  ::MonkeyBike::

I love your way of thinking Edward!  ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyDance::
Are you available to run for President or Governor??? I would vote for you hands down!


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: mizjay on March 02, 2010, 03:48:57 PM
BTW - I have emailed a couple of journalists on the whole "did they miss the DNA in December" question.  I'll post when/if they reply.
Thanks. I'm just guessing here, but the way I read the attack in Dec, it appeared to be an attack for money. So I would assume that was way lower on priorities, imo. I don't believe it was an attack to get this girl's money at all, but isn't that the way it seemed to go down? I'm rather confused on that.
I think maybe he's smarter than he looks. Telling a victim he wants money may seem less threatening , the woman might not freak out as much, like feeling it'll be okay if I just give him my wallet from my car and then he'll leave me alone???? Probably that's why LE didn't go nuts on it, "just" a robbery atempt?


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: cartfly on March 02, 2010, 03:50:14 PM
So I found where he "may" have gone to school. Rim of the world in Lake Arrowhead. You don't think he would take her body all of the way up there do you?
I checked facebook with that High school but still coming up empty. Great find if its him.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 02, 2010, 03:51:00 PM
BTW - I have emailed a couple of journalists on the whole "did they miss the DNA in December" question.  I'll post when/if they reply.
Thanks. I'm just guessing here, but the way I read the attack in Dec, it appeared to be an attack for money. So I would assume that was way lower on priorities, imo. I don't believe it was an attack to get this girl's money at all, but isn't that the way it seemed to go down? I'm rather confused on that.
I think maybe he's smarter than he looks. Telling a victim he wants money may seem less threatening , the woman might not freak out as much, like feeling it'll be okay if I just give him my wallet from my car and then he'll leave me alone???? Probably that's why LE didn't go nuts on it, "just" a robbery atempt?
That's what must have happened.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Adam In California on March 02, 2010, 03:51:55 PM
BTW - I have emailed a couple of journalists on the whole "did they miss the DNA in December" question.  I'll post when/if they reply.

First response ...

Quote
Yes, that is exactly the question I'm trying to get answered today, and
I think a very important one. Stay tuned!


Kristina Davis
Staff writer
The San Diego Union-Tribune
(619) xxx-xxxx office
(619) xxx-xxxx cell

Since she isn't getting a straight answer I am apt to suspect a big time screw up on the part of the SDPD.

Still waiting on a response from an AP journalist.

I am going to email some more journalists on the question and encourage others to do the same.  Only pressure will pry the answer loose.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 02, 2010, 03:55:39 PM
Thank-you Adam  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Adam In California on March 02, 2010, 03:57:57 PM
BTW - I have emailed a couple of journalists on the whole "did they miss the DNA in December" question.  I'll post when/if they reply.
Thanks. I'm just guessing here, but the way I read the attack in Dec, it appeared to be an attack for money. So I would assume that was way lower on priorities, imo. I don't believe it was an attack to get this girl's money at all, but isn't that the way it seemed to go down? I'm rather confused on that.

I thought that to and checked into it.

The DNA check is supposed to be run for any felony where a sample is available.  So it isn't just for Sex Offenders.  Any felony.

Also - can you guess who "owns" the job of making sure samples are processed in a timely manner?  Attorney General Jerry Brown.  Now running for Governor.

http://ag.ca.gov/bfs/ (http://ag.ca.gov/bfs/)

He needs to own this.  He does by law.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: cartfly on March 02, 2010, 03:59:23 PM
The following comment left by poster on this article http://www.10news.com/news/22710735/detail.html (http://www.10news.com/news/22710735/detail.html)
If true, maybe a cigarette left at the scene near her undergarments was the dna link.??


lodi
Beat down by a woman. what a punk..This guy did his 5yrs and thought he was smarter now, but he messed up leaving the panties and sitting down smoking a cigarette with mud up to his knees at a restaurant when the lake is closed for the season. What an egotist.
Today, 2:02:40


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 02, 2010, 04:02:45 PM
BTW - I have emailed a couple of journalists on the whole "did they miss the DNA in December" question.  I'll post when/if they reply.
Thanks. I'm just guessing here, but the way I read the attack in Dec, it appeared to be an attack for money. So I would assume that was way lower on priorities, imo. I don't believe it was an attack to get this girl's money at all, but isn't that the way it seemed to go down? I'm rather confused on that.

I thought that to and checked into it.

The DNA check is supposed to be run for any felony where a sample is available.  So it isn't just for Sex Offenders.  Any felony.

Also - can you guess who "owns" the job of making sure samples are processed in a timely manner?  Attorney General Jerry Brown.  Now running for Governor.

http://ag.ca.gov/bfs/ (http://ag.ca.gov/bfs/)

He needs to own this.  He does by law.
Thank-you, figures, and I'm sure there will be a lame excuse for this, I'm waiting for it.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: SunnyinTX on March 02, 2010, 04:02:50 PM
Message from Kelly and Brent:
We are looking forward to attending the vigil for Chelsea tonight at St. Michaels church in Poway. We will join them in their unity on Chelsea’s behalf and focus again in bringing Chelsea home. We appreciate all the time and focus our community has dedicated to our daughter.

15546 Pomerado Rd., Poway
Guests are encouraged to carpool and park respectfully in local neighborhoods if necessary.
Chelseas family and friends will speak about Chelsea and a silent prayer procession will follow.

http://www.facebook.com/chelseakingsearchcenter

Hi NR and thanks.....also from the site

    *
      CHELSEA KING SEARCH CENTER The outpouring of support from the community and these companies have made our search efforts possible. We are grateful for your involvement, please support these generous companies!
      Yesterday at 5:03pm · Report
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      Yesterday at 11:24pm · Report
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      CHELSEA KING SEARCH CENTER TransAmerican Mailing - Thousands of color fliers and forms

      Costco - Carmel Mountain - Drinks and snacks

      Costco - Poway - Drinks and snacks

      Mediadirect - Thousands of color fliers and artwork

      WalMart - Poway - Supplies

      WalMart - Escondido - Supplies

      WalMart - Corporate

      Yesterday at 11:31pm · Report
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      CHELSEA KING SEARCH CENTER Target - Poway - Supplies

      Target - Escondido - Supplies

      Starbucks - W. Bernardo & Rancho Bernardo - Coffee and snacks

      Home Depot - Carmel Mountain - Supplies

      UPS Store - 4S Ranch & Waring St. - Thousands of fliers
      Yesterday at 11:34pm · Report
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      CHELSEA KING SEARCH CENTER Vons - Scripps Ranch - Supplies

      Sprint/Nextel - Phones

      Scripps Ranch Civic Association

      Replica Printing Service - Fliers

      DyzynaTee - T-shirts

      Rubios - Lunch for 200 volunteers

      Borellis Pizza / Church of Rancho Bernardo - 70 pizzas for volunteers

      Oggi's Pizzza - Carmel Mountain - 30 pizzas for volunteers

      Chin's Chinese - Rancho Bernardo - Dinner for volunteers

      Subway - Rancho Bernardo - Sandwiches for volunteers



      Yesterday at 11:51pm · Report
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      CHELSEA KING SEARCH CENTER Instant Import - T-shirt printing

      Pat & Oscars - Carmel Mountain - Dinner for volunteers

      Rancho Bernardo Inn - Breakfast for volunteers

      Yesterday at 11:53pm · Report

What a difference from Orlando!!


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: SunnyinTX on March 02, 2010, 04:04:06 PM
BTW - I have emailed a couple of journalists on the whole "did they miss the DNA in December" question.  I'll post when/if they reply.

thanks Adam.....


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 02, 2010, 04:04:31 PM
The following comment left by poster on this article http://www.10news.com/news/22710735/detail.html (http://www.10news.com/news/22710735/detail.html)
If true, maybe a cigarette left at the scene near her undergarments was the dna link.??


lodi
Beat down by a woman. what a punk..This guy did his 5yrs and thought he was smarter now, but he messed up leaving the panties and sitting down smoking a cigarette with mud up to his knees at a restaurant when the lake is closed for the season. What an egotist.
Today, 2:02:40
Yesterday I was reading comments that were being made in the scanner thread at WS, what they heard was something to do with cigarettes, and what kind the perp smoked.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: klaasend on March 02, 2010, 04:04:54 PM
BTW - I have emailed a couple of journalists on the whole "did they miss the DNA in December" question.  I'll post when/if they reply.

Thanks Adam  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Tracygirl on March 02, 2010, 04:04:56 PM
 I guess I don't understand if you are raping someone how would seman get on underware? I don't suppose he redressed her. So I considered if they found a condom, it would have dna of both the victim and the rapist. It is known they will wear one to keep DNA off the victim, or so I read. I wonder too if they have a crime scene, if they say they found clothing of her it leads me to believe they did. He is violent, I am sure there was blood.

Poor thing, you know Edward I cant get that pic out of my head you posted yesterday, she was dancing around and looked so full of joy. It just sickens me...


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 02, 2010, 04:05:40 PM
Thanks Sunny, that is a great community  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Adam In California on March 02, 2010, 04:08:03 PM
Funding?  Not enough funding?

Guess what I just found?

Tell you what - I will just copy what I just sent Kristina over at the UT

Quote
Thanks Kristina

The Attorney General has the responsibility of processing crime scene DNA samples in a timely manner.

http://ag.ca.gov/bfs/

Maybe a call to Sacramento would be in order?

Also - San Diego County collected $1,592,000 in revenues related to prop 69 DNA processing.  They sent $398,000 to Sacramento, kept the difference (over $1,200,000) but only spent $770,000 on the program.  If they give you "delays due to funding" print this report and give it to them.

http://ag.ca.gov/bfs/pdf/2008DNAFundReport.pdf

- Adam


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: SunnyinTX on March 02, 2010, 04:09:31 PM
BTW - I have emailed a couple of journalists on the whole "did they miss the DNA in December" question.  I'll post when/if they reply.
Thanks. I'm just guessing here, but the way I read the attack in Dec, it appeared to be an attack for money. So I would assume that was way lower on priorities, imo. I don't believe it was an attack to get this girl's money at all, but isn't that the way it seemed to go down? I'm rather confused on that.

he  likes younger girls....I don't know anything about the girl in December..just guessing...but perhaps since she wasn't 'his type' he decided to just rob her...and perhaps beat her....but she fought back and got away

Has there been any info about IF he works and of so where....and doing what??


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Missiontoconvict on March 02, 2010, 04:09:35 PM
Here is my opinion on chemical castration. I don't think it will stop this sort of crime. It would make us feel better but rape is not a sexually motivating crime, it has nothing to do with sex but about power. Over powering someone sexually is the most intense way of taking from that person this is why they use it. If they could not use their body part to have sex with their victim they would use something else. Their motivation is power and their drive comes from anger not sexual need. Anyway, that is just my opinion...
I completely agree Tracygirl.  They are dangerous they need to be confined.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: SunnyinTX on March 02, 2010, 04:12:48 PM
BTW - I have emailed a couple of journalists on the whole "did they miss the DNA in December" question.  I'll post when/if they reply.

First response ...

Quote
Yes, that is exactly the question I'm trying to get answered today, and
I think a very important one. Stay tuned!


Kristina Davis
Staff writer
The San Diego Union-Tribune
(619) xxx-xxxx office
(619) xxx-xxxx cell

Since she isn't getting a straight answer I am apt to suspect a big time screw up on the part of the SDPD.

Still waiting on a response from an AP journalist.

I am going to email some more journalists on the question and encourage others to do the same.  Only pressure will pry the answer loose.

thanks Adam!! ::MonkeyGavel::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: SunnyinTX on March 02, 2010, 04:16:10 PM
Thanks Sunny, that is a great community  ::MonkeyCool::

It sure seems to be......and it is difficult NOT to compare it to Orlando and the searches for Caylee...... y'all have a right to be very proud!!


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Missiontoconvict on March 02, 2010, 04:18:11 PM
if you cut off one big toe on each foot and one thumb on each hand and then there nuts.
They will not give anyone any trouble because they wont be able to run after anyone and they wont be able to grab anyone and just in-case they fall on someone nothing will work.

Problem solved.

The message brought to you by citizens against chemicals.  ::MonkeyBike::

::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyJustice::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 02, 2010, 04:19:18 PM
Thanks Sunny, that is a great community  ::MonkeyCool::

It sure seems to be......and it is difficult NOT to compare it to Orlando and the searches for Caylee...... y'all have a right to be very proud!!
There were a lot of searchers also when little Danielle Van Dam went missing also  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: mizjay on March 02, 2010, 04:20:04 PM
Thanks Sunny, that is a great community  ::MonkeyCool::

It sure seems to be......and it is difficult NOT to compare it to Orlando and the searches for Caylee...... y'all have a right to be very proud!!

Sure makes a huge difference when the family is grateful. Find our Chelsea, thank you, we appreciate it instead of the venom and lies spewed from Caylee's family


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 02, 2010, 04:22:33 PM
Thanks Sunny, that is a great community  ::MonkeyCool::

It sure seems to be......and it is difficult NOT to compare it to Orlando and the searches for Caylee...... y'all have a right to be very proud!!

Sure makes a huge difference when the family is grateful. Find our Chelsea, thank you, we appreciate it instead of the venom and lies spewed from Caylee's family
That's for sure, the family is gracious and thankful for all the help, just like most families are.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Rob on March 02, 2010, 04:25:52 PM
Funding?  Not enough funding?

Guess what I just found?

Tell you what - I will just copy what I just sent Kristina over at the UT

Quote
Thanks Kristina

The Attorney General has the responsibility of processing crime scene DNA samples in a timely manner.

http://ag.ca.gov/bfs/

Maybe a call to Sacramento would be in order?

Also - San Diego County collected $1,592,000 in revenues related to prop 69 DNA processing.  They sent $398,000 to Sacramento, kept the difference (over $1,200,000) but only spent $770,000 on the program.  If they give you "delays due to funding" print this report and give it to them.

http://ag.ca.gov/bfs/pdf/2008DNAFundReport.pdf

- Adam

after you throw that in their faces  - they will reply ~ not enough qualified man-power. They have a ridiculous answer for everything.

I know these buck-passers like I know the constellation Orion will pass over my house ...


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: SunnyinTX on March 02, 2010, 04:26:35 PM
Thanks Sunny, that is a great community  ::MonkeyCool::

It sure seems to be......and it is difficult NOT to compare it to Orlando and the searches for Caylee...... y'all have a right to be very proud!!
There were a lot of searchers also when little Danielle Van Dam went missing also  ::MonkeyAngel::

the outpouring of love and help is heartwarming.....

example..........
 Alonso Vega =  I would like to provide hot meals from my restaurant for any search and rescue personnel or volunteers that may need them. My wife went down to the command center today to offer and volunteer and she tells me that you are no longer accepting food at that location but that there are other search areas that may need the...m. Please advise. We can deliver to any location you need them.16 minutes ago


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 02, 2010, 04:29:02 PM
Thanks Sunny, that is a great community  ::MonkeyCool::

It sure seems to be......and it is difficult NOT to compare it to Orlando and the searches for Caylee...... y'all have a right to be very proud!!
There were a lot of searchers also when little Danielle Van Dam went missing also  ::MonkeyAngel::

the outpouring of love and help is heartwarming.....

example..........
 Alonso Vega =  I would like to provide hot meals from my restaurant for any search and rescue personnel or volunteers that may need them. My wife went down to the command center today to offer and volunteer and she tells me that you are no longer accepting food at that location but that there are other search areas that may need the...m. Please advise. We can deliver to any location you need them.16 minutes ago
It's wonderful to see such great people wanting to do whatever is necessary to help.  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Adam In California on March 02, 2010, 04:30:20 PM
Still more on the DNA database ...

http://ag.ca.gov/bfs/pdf/Monthly.pdf

That link is to a 1 page pdf that summarizes the status of the database and the backlog of new offender samples being added.

I have run a simple calculation and it takes about 84 days for a new perp's DNA to be added to the database.  Backlog is about 48,000 samples and 23,000 get processed each month while 21,000 get added to the backlog.  So it would be 69 days to eliminate the backlog if no new samples are added plus 15 days for a sample added in the middle of a typical month.

There are about 1,500,000 samples in the database.

Point is, Gardner was paroled in 2005/2006.  No chance he wasn't in the database.

As for queries there are about 255 "hits" reported in the status report for the month of January 2010.  No mention of a backlog.  Assume they took their time and submitted the sample in January.  With no backlog reported, they would have gotten a result before the month was out.  Yet on Feb 25 he was roaming the park looking for a victim.

Epic fail on the part of law enforcement if they did in fact have a sample from Dec 27th.  Not underfunded.  Not backlogged.  No excuses.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: klaasend on March 02, 2010, 04:30:46 PM
Funding?  Not enough funding?

Guess what I just found?

Tell you what - I will just copy what I just sent Kristina over at the UT

Quote
Thanks Kristina

The Attorney General has the responsibility of processing crime scene DNA samples in a timely manner.

http://ag.ca.gov/bfs/

Maybe a call to Sacramento would be in order?

Also - San Diego County collected $1,592,000 in revenues related to prop 69 DNA processing.  They sent $398,000 to Sacramento, kept the difference (over $1,200,000) but only spent $770,000 on the program.  If they give you "delays due to funding" print this report and give it to them.

http://ag.ca.gov/bfs/pdf/2008DNAFundReport.pdf

- Adam

WOW, typical  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Tracygirl on March 02, 2010, 04:32:54 PM
Here is my opinion on chemical castration. I don't think it will stop this sort of crime. It would make us feel better but rape is not a sexually motivating crime, it has nothing to do with sex but about power. Over powering someone sexually is the most intense way of taking from that person this is why they use it. If they could not use their body part to have sex with their victim they would use something else. Their motivation is power and their drive comes from anger not sexual need. Anyway, that is just my opinion...

I have seen different numbers, but they tend around 90% reduction in recidivism.  Not 100% but better than now.

I am sorry, I am not picking on you. I have actually had this debate with so many people so it is not you. I welcome you to scared monkeys and I admire your drive.

The problem is we wouldn't know who the 10% is that are left to commit this crime and my fear is, we would have a false sense of security as we do know that LE is actually watching these freaks. I don't have stats handy but lets say if there are 20,000 men who have been charged with a sex crime and 90% will be "cured" with this treatment, it still leaves 2000 unidentified men wanting to rape. That is a lot of men.  We will not know if it has worked until they recommit the crime, so who's mothers, wives and daughters do we say it is OK too? Also, do we know if these 90% changed the criminal behavior from rape to another crime? Rape is a crime of power and anger not one of sexual gratification. That is a known fact and it is what concerns me. If it worked for all I would be the first in line with my tool kit but I don't think it is the answer to this crime as a whole.

I want a solution that doesn't try to fix the crime after the fact but something that can be done to prevent it from happening in the first place. I suppose that is where I get stuck because regardless of what good people want, there will always be bad. There will always be people with mentalities to hurt others. For now and until that magic something can be discovered, in my opinion we need to put them away for life.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Rob on March 02, 2010, 04:35:06 PM
I think it's these repeat offenders that really pisses-off everyone with a shred of decency. It's all so senseless and doesn't need to happen. I really don't care about their rights, and they sure as heck don't care about anyone else...

I think the ear of touchy feel good politics is quickly coming to an end. And along with it all these social experiments that gobble-up tax dollars on those that can never be rehabilitated. These experiments have failed and produced more victims and every new victim and their friends and loved ones wonder why all this effort is made re-inventing the wheel.

Rights are for law-abiding decent American citizens. Period.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: bananas on March 02, 2010, 04:36:46 PM
I agree with removing them Tracy but not sure I want to support them either.  I think if it is proven that they did indeed commit a violent rape, they should be put to death.  Harsh?  Maybe so but what is happening on our streets every day is harsh too.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Adam In California on March 02, 2010, 04:37:18 PM
Here is my opinion on chemical castration. I don't think it will stop this sort of crime. It would make us feel better but rape is not a sexually motivating crime, it has nothing to do with sex but about power. Over powering someone sexually is the most intense way of taking from that person this is why they use it. If they could not use their body part to have sex with their victim they would use something else. Their motivation is power and their drive comes from anger not sexual need. Anyway, that is just my opinion...

I have seen different numbers, but they tend around 90% reduction in recidivism.  Not 100% but better than now.

I am sorry, I am not picking on you. I have actually had this debate with so many people so it is not you. I welcome you to scared monkeys and I admire your drive.

The problem is we wouldn't know who the 10% is that are left to commit this crime and my fear is, we would have a false sense of security as we do know that LE is actually watching these freaks. I don't have stats handy but lets say if there are 20,000 men who have been charged with a sex crime and 90% will be "cured" with this treatment, it still leaves 2000 unidentified men wanting to rape. That is a lot of men.  We will not know if it has worked until they recommit the crime, so who's mothers, wives and daughters do we say it is OK too? Also, do we know if these 90% changed the criminal behavior from rape to another crime? Rape is a crime of power and anger not one of sexual gratification. That is a known fact and it is what concerns me. If it worked for all I would be the first in line with my tool kit but I don't think it is the answer to this crime as a whole.

I want a solution that doesn't try to fix the crime after the fact but something that can be done to prevent it from happening in the first place. I suppose that is where I get stuck because regardless of what good people want, there will always be bad. There will always be people with mentalities to hurt others. For now and until that magic something can be discovered, in my opinion we need to put them away for life.

No worries.  I completely get where you are coming from.  Not sure if there is the political will for a 100% solution.  In the meantime I'd like to see the odds changed.  That's all.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Shell on March 02, 2010, 04:42:50 PM
Thinking out loud here. The guy gets paroled Sept 2008 and moves to Rock Springs Road. 6 months later Amber disappears. At some point he is living with his G Mom. They search his Mom's house and G Moms house, and concentrate on the shed (per neighbor)

Neighbor in Lake E says he was always doing things around the house. Putting up shelves, working in the attic....*check that attic

Good thoughts..

But I was wrong. He got out of prison, was on parole and got off of parole sept. 2008. From what I understand, he was living in Escondido at the time of Ambers disappearance.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Adam In California on March 02, 2010, 04:43:06 PM
OK - just got a text back from a friend at the DAs office.

The DNA database works where both offender and crime scene samples are submitted into the backlog.

They get added to the database.

When a "hit" occurs it means that there is already a record with the same DNA.  That is when someone looks into what the "hit" means.

So there is a good chance that these clowns simply submitted the 'park attacker' DNA from Dec 27 and would have gotten a "hit" in late March.

Yet, statewide, counties are only spending half of the prop 69 money they collect on prop 69.

I am angry.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: klaasend on March 02, 2010, 04:45:28 PM
I agree with removing them Tracy but not sure I want to support them either.  I think if it is proven that they did indeed commit a violent rape, they should be put to death.  Harsh?  Maybe so but what is happening on our streets every day is harsh too.

The death penalty in California is much like a life sentence:

http://articles.latimes.com/2009/nov/11/local/me-deathrow11

(snipped)

California has the nation's largest death row population, with 685 sentenced to die by lethal injection. Yet only 13 executions have been carried out since capital punishment resumed in 1977 and none of the condemned have been put to death since a moratorium was imposed nearly four years ago. Five times as many death row inmates -- 71 -- have died over that same period of natural causes, suicide or inside violence.

Though death row inmates at San Quentin State Prison are far from coddled, they live in single cells that are slightly larger than the two-bunk, maximum-security confines elsewhere, they have better access to telephones and they have "contact visits" in plexiglass booths by themselves rather than in communal halls as in other institutions. They have about the only private accommodations in the state's 33-prison network, which is crammed with 160,000-plus convicts.

Death row prisoners are served breakfast and dinner in their cells, can usually mingle with others in the outdoor exercise yards while eating their sack lunches, and have exclusive control over the television, CD player or other diversions in their cells.
(snipped)


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Rob on March 02, 2010, 04:46:43 PM
I agree with removing them Tracy but not sure I want to support them either.  I think if it is proven that they did indeed commit a violent rape, they should be put to death.  Harsh?  Maybe so but what is happening on our streets every day is harsh too.

I kinda like marching them through town and everyone gets to throw garbage at them. Then shaving half their head in public for humiliation. Then kicking them down a 50 foot razor blade, off a rock salt ramp into a cool pool of alcohol, and then pulling them out and hanging them in front of everyone - including school kids.

Then you throw their corpse in the bog.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: darla on March 02, 2010, 04:48:20 PM
Good Afternoon Monkeys and Guest! Welcome to the cage Adam!

My thoughts on how to stop these perverts is to tie their hands behind their back....strap them to a table on their backs.....cut off the genitals and shove them down their throats and let nature take it course. They will either bleed to death or choke to death. Maybe then we could have a little justice for all the kids these SOB's rape and murder.
I have no sympathy or mercy for any of them. They don't mind going to prison...they can have all the sex they want in there, plus 3 hot meals a day and a cot and TV. Until we as a society say enough is enough, and start ridding our society of these perps . maybe just maybe they would think twice before doing it .All JMOO.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Tracygirl on March 02, 2010, 04:48:45 PM
I agree with removing them Tracy but not sure I want to support them either.  I think if it is proven that they did indeed commit a violent rape, they should be put to death.  Harsh?  Maybe so but what is happening on our streets every day is harsh too.

Tax dollars should not be a reason to keep these men/woman off the streets. Everyone knows we will not be able to put everyone to death that commits these crimes, it will never happen in our country as our system is not set up to do that. Good or bad, that is up to opinion but it is reality. In the mean while we are allowing them to be on the streets because no one wants to pay for the taxes to keep them in jail so what do we have? We have these men on the streets who are recommiting the crime over and over again on innocent people. It makes my head spin!

I just keep thinking if this guy got the strongest sentance he would be in prison right now and all of his victims would be alive and at home.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Shell on March 02, 2010, 04:49:05 PM

What I find odd, he had been at his mothers for a while although he had another place, maybe 2 others...Why was he hanging out with mom? Does anyone feel that perhaps he went back to the trail to finish what he started? Does anyone know if Chelsea resembles the December jogger? Why did he go back to the same place and do the same thing if he failed prior? Thinking as a crazy person would, maybe he needed to get this done. Maybe he didn't like to fail and needed to have his fantacy played out?

Sorry about this question, but if he put her in water, wouldn't they have found a body floating by now. He could have dumped her or he buried her. Anyone know when trash is picked up in that area? Are there any dumpsters close by? did they search the dumpsters at the townhomes he lived at?
There are large dumpsters in Moms neighborhood with all the construction going on due to Wildfire. I imagine those have been thoroughly searched.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: cartfly on March 02, 2010, 04:56:36 PM
I agree with removing them Tracy but not sure I want to support them either.  I think if it is proven that they did indeed commit a violent rape, they should be put to death.  Harsh?  Maybe so but what is happening on our streets every day is harsh too.

The death penalty in California is much like a life sentence:

http://articles.latimes.com/2009/nov/11/local/me-deathrow11

(snipped)

California has the nation's largest death row population, with 685 sentenced to die by lethal injection. Yet only 13 executions have been carried out since capital punishment resumed in 1977 and none of the condemned have been put to death since a moratorium was imposed nearly four years ago. Five times as many death row inmates -- 71 -- have died over that same period of natural causes, suicide or inside violence.

Though death row inmates at San Quentin State Prison are far from coddled, they live in single cells that are slightly larger than the two-bunk, maximum-security confines elsewhere, they have better access to telephones and they have "contact visits" in plexiglass booths by themselves rather than in communal halls as in other institutions. They have about the only private accommodations in the state's 33-prison network, which is crammed with 160,000-plus convicts.

Death row prisoners are served breakfast and dinner in their cells, can usually mingle with others in the outdoor exercise yards while eating their sack lunches, and have exclusive control over the television, CD player or other diversions in their cells.
(snipped)

I say move 'em all to Texas, no waiting in line!


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Missiontoconvict on March 02, 2010, 04:57:59 PM
Here is my opinion on chemical castration. I don't think it will stop this sort of crime. It would make us feel better but rape is not a sexually motivating crime, it has nothing to do with sex but about power. Over powering someone sexually is the most intense way of taking from that person this is why they use it. If they could not use their body part to have sex with their victim they would use something else. Their motivation is power and their drive comes from anger not sexual need. Anyway, that is just my opinion...

I have seen different numbers, but they tend around 90% reduction in recidivism.  Not 100% but better than now.

I am sorry, I am not picking on you. I have actually had this debate with so many people so it is not you. I welcome you to scared monkeys and I admire your drive.

The problem is we wouldn't know who the 10% is that are left to commit this crime and my fear is, we would have a false sense of security as we do know that LE is actually watching these freaks. I don't have stats handy but lets say if there are 20,000 men who have been charged with a sex crime and 90% will be "cured" with this treatment, it still leaves 2000 unidentified men wanting to rape. That is a lot of men.  We will not know if it has worked until they recommit the crime, so who's mothers, wives and daughters do we say it is OK too? Also, do we know if these 90% changed the criminal behavior from rape to another crime? Rape is a crime of power and anger not one of sexual gratification. That is a known fact and it is what concerns me. If it worked for all I would be the first in line with my tool kit but I don't think it is the answer to this crime as a whole.

I want a solution that doesn't try to fix the crime after the fact but something that can be done to prevent it from happening in the first place. I suppose that is where I get stuck because regardless of what good people want, there will always be bad. There will always be people with mentalities to hurt others. For now and until that magic something can be discovered, in my opinion we need to put them away for life.

No worries.  I completely get where you are coming from.  Not sure if there is the political will for a 100% solution.  In the meantime I'd like to see the odds changed.  That's all.
I question if they are unable to obtain a DNA sample from a known offender that they are going to be accountable in administering orders for sterilization/castration. As difficult as it may seem to fight for tougher sentencing I am up for the fight and would feel a whole lot safer knowing these animals are behind bars. 

What happens after sterilization when the perp is angry and furious because he has been sterlized/castrated? Does he then seek revenge with an even deeper conviction of hate and a desire to kill/harm? The reason these perps do what they do is not because of libido it comes from the desire to have power and to control. If they can't use their own personal body parts to commit the crime they use other items or means.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: cartfly on March 02, 2010, 04:58:46 PM
scanner activity- calling for FBI dive team again. By the way, if you miss something on the scanner there are archives that can be replayed also.

http://www.radioreference.com/apps/audio/?feedId=272  (http://www.radioreference.com/apps/audio/?feedId=272)


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Missiontoconvict on March 02, 2010, 05:00:06 PM
Good Afternoon Monkeys and Guest! Welcome to the cage Adam!

My thoughts on how to stop these perverts is to tie their hands behind their back....strap them to a table on their backs.....cut off the genitals and shove them down their throats and let nature take it course. They will either bleed to death or choke to death. Maybe then we could have a little justice for all the kids these SOB's rape and murder.
I have no sympathy or mercy for any of them. They don't mind going to prison...they can have all the sex they want in there, plus 3 hot meals a day and a cot and TV. Until we as a society say enough is enough, and start ridding our society of these perps . maybe just maybe they would think twice before doing it .All JMOO.
AMEN


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Tracygirl on March 02, 2010, 05:02:24 PM

What I find odd, he had been at his mothers for a while although he had another place, maybe 2 others...Why was he hanging out with mom? Does anyone feel that perhaps he went back to the trail to finish what he started? Does anyone know if Chelsea resembles the December jogger? Why did he go back to the same place and do the same thing if he failed prior? Thinking as a crazy person would, maybe he needed to get this done. Maybe he didn't like to fail and needed to have his fantacy played out?

Sorry about this question, but if he put her in water, wouldn't they have found a body floating by now. He could have dumped her or he buried her. Anyone know when trash is picked up in that area? Are there any dumpsters close by? did they search the dumpsters at the townhomes he lived at?
There are large dumpsters in Moms neighborhood with all the construction going on due to Wildfire. I imagine those have been thoroughly searched.

What is the name of the garbage collection in that area? would it be waste management? Also what city is that area? Would it be San Diego? I want to find out what day garbage is collected from store and apartment dumpters. Construction dumpsters are not dumped on a schedule. It would be concerning to find out it was Friday, the day after the attack. Seems like in many of these cases remains are dumped. I am also so surprised at how fast and deep trash gets buried in a landfill. I have not heard anything about the landfill being checked, I have to say that concerns me.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: mizjay on March 02, 2010, 05:02:42 PM
scanner activity- calling for FBI dive team again. By the way, if you miss something on the scanner there are archives that can be replayed also.

http://www.radioreference.com/apps/audio/?feedId=272  (http://www.radioreference.com/apps/audio/?feedId=272)

Thanks Magda Jr.!!!!!!!!!   I never responded to your post late the other night. I have seen the movie, one of my all time faves!


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: cartfly on March 02, 2010, 05:08:14 PM
Good Afternoon Monkeys and Guest! Welcome to the cage Adam!

My thoughts on how to stop these perverts is to tie their hands behind their back....strap them to a table on their backs.....cut off the genitals and shove them down their throats and let nature take it course. They will either bleed to death or choke to death. Maybe then we could have a little justice for all the kids these SOB's rape and murder.
I have no sympathy or mercy for any of them. They don't mind going to prison...they can have all the sex they want in there, plus 3 hot meals a day and a cot and TV. Until we as a society say enough is enough, and start ridding our society of these perps . maybe just maybe they would think twice before doing it .All JMOO.
Hi Darla- Glad to see you. I hope you are feeling well. I agree with you and so many other monkeys on this problem. I guess it won't be just one thing that will reduce this. But I do know we need harsher punishment across the board, rehab should not be an option ever. It has been proven it doesn't work.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Shell on March 02, 2010, 05:11:02 PM
The following comment left by poster on this article http://www.10news.com/news/22710735/detail.html (http://www.10news.com/news/22710735/detail.html)
If true, maybe a cigarette left at the scene near her undergarments was the dna link.??


lodi
Beat down by a woman. what a punk..This guy did his 5yrs and thought he was smarter now, but he messed up leaving the panties and sitting down smoking a cigarette with mud up to his knees at a restaurant when the lake is closed for the season. What an egotist.
Today, 2:02:40
Yesterday I was reading comments that were being made in the scanner thread at WS, what they heard was something to do with cigarettes, and what kind the perp smoked.

I heard they were "tagging pack of camels" on the scanner, yesterday, I made a post about it when it was said.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: cartfly on March 02, 2010, 05:11:46 PM
scanner activity- calling for FBI dive team again. By the way, if you miss something on the scanner there are archives that can be replayed also.

http://www.radioreference.com/apps/audio/?feedId=272  (http://www.radioreference.com/apps/audio/?feedId=272)

Thanks Magda Jr.!!!!!!!!!   I never responded to your post late the other night. I have seen the movie, one of my all time faves!
::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: OT-Thanks Miz, I needed a laugh :)One of my favorite movies too! I might have to enter rehab with my scanner addiction lately. It sure gets the adrenaline flowing!


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 02, 2010, 05:13:28 PM
The following comment left by poster on this article http://www.10news.com/news/22710735/detail.html (http://www.10news.com/news/22710735/detail.html)
If true, maybe a cigarette left at the scene near her undergarments was the dna link.??


lodi
Beat down by a woman. what a punk..This guy did his 5yrs and thought he was smarter now, but he messed up leaving the panties and sitting down smoking a cigarette with mud up to his knees at a restaurant when the lake is closed for the season. What an egotist.
Today, 2:02:40
Yesterday I was reading comments that were being made in the scanner thread at WS, what they heard was something to do with cigarettes, and what kind the perp smoked.

I heard they were "tagging pack of camels" on the scanner, yesterday, I made a post about it when it was said.
Thank-you


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: cartfly on March 02, 2010, 05:14:56 PM
The following comment left by poster on this article http://www.10news.com/news/22710735/detail.html (http://www.10news.com/news/22710735/detail.html)
If true, maybe a cigarette left at the scene near her undergarments was the dna link.??


lodi
Beat down by a woman. what a punk..This guy did his 5yrs and thought he was smarter now, but he messed up leaving the panties and sitting down smoking a cigarette with mud up to his knees at a restaurant when the lake is closed for the season. What an egotist.
Today, 2:02:40
Yesterday I was reading comments that were being made in the scanner thread at WS, what they heard was something to do with cigarettes, and what kind the perp smoked.

I heard they were "tagging pack of camels" on the scanner, yesterday, I made a post about it when it was said.
Wow!No kidding. I haven't caught up yet to see your post from yesterday, things just took off since I was last on early yesterday.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 02, 2010, 05:17:18 PM
It appears that something must be happening, am reading what the posters are saying on the scanner thread on WS, LE wants put on private line and not scanner right now. Is anyone listening to the scanner right now?


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Tracygirl on March 02, 2010, 05:23:07 PM
I agree with removing them Tracy but not sure I want to support them either.  I think if it is proven that they did indeed commit a violent rape, they should be put to death.  Harsh?  Maybe so but what is happening on our streets every day is harsh too.

The death penalty in California is much like a life sentence:

http://articles.latimes.com/2009/nov/11/local/me-deathrow11

(snipped)

California has the nation's largest death row population, with 685 sentenced to die by lethal injection. Yet only 13 executions have been carried out since capital punishment resumed in 1977 and none of the condemned have been put to death since a moratorium was imposed nearly four years ago. Five times as many death row inmates -- 71 -- have died over that same period of natural causes, suicide or inside violence.

Though death row inmates at San Quentin State Prison are far from coddled, they live in single cells that are slightly larger than the two-bunk, maximum-security confines elsewhere, they have better access to telephones and they have "contact visits" in plexiglass booths by themselves rather than in communal halls as in other institutions. They have about the only private accommodations in the state's 33-prison network, which is crammed with 160,000-plus convicts.

Death row prisoners are served breakfast and dinner in their cells, can usually mingle with others in the outdoor exercise yards while eating their sack lunches, and have exclusive control over the television, CD player or other diversions in their cells.
(snipped)

I say move 'em all to Texas, no waiting in line!

lol, too funny. What gets me and my husband is the fact they have it better meaning all of their needs are met, bed, food, medical, dental, vision, entertainment etc and we as normal everyday hard working people don't always have this. Life on the outside should nto be harder then life in prison. It is backwards and I think that is what makes people angry. Why on earth do they have cable? Do they really need to watch TV? Medical care, dental, vision care? Are you kidding me? Do they really need to be able to see clearly get cold meds, have a tooth filled? What happened to bread and water? ok so throw a slice of lunchmeat and call it a meal! We need to take our power back.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Shell on March 02, 2010, 05:23:42 PM
It appears that something must be happening, am reading what the posters are saying on the scanner thread on WS, LE wants put on private line and not scanner right now. Is anyone listening to the scanner right now?

I just caught up reading the thread. Will turn on scanner now.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: klaasend on March 02, 2010, 05:24:41 PM
Wow just now on scanner.  Another 17yr old reported missing since 2/25 waiting at the police department to get assistance. 


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 02, 2010, 05:26:29 PM
There is going to be a press conference from the command center at 3:00pm PST.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Tracygirl on March 02, 2010, 05:27:26 PM
Wow just now on scanner.  Another 17yr old reported missing since 2/25 waiting at the police department to get assistance. 

I am listening to that! Now we get to see how serious they take these calls!


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Tracygirl on March 02, 2010, 05:28:34 PM
It appears that something must be happening, am reading what the posters are saying on the scanner thread on WS, LE wants put on private line and not scanner right now. Is anyone listening to the scanner right now?

oh no, well maybe they found her? They need to find her.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Edward on March 02, 2010, 05:29:27 PM
Make a law that says that ALL requests for change of venue in California violent cases get sent to Texas.  ::MonkeyFootball::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Tracygirl on March 02, 2010, 05:30:14 PM
Bumping for those of us who need to know what they are saying.

Some scanner codes for those interested:

Edit to add link per cartfly.  MB
http://www.scansandiego.net/Scanner/police_codes.html#ten


Note: CHP uses a different set of "ten-codes"
        
Ten Codes                                                                        Eleven Codes

Note: CHP uses a different set of "eleven-codes"
     10-1    Receiving Poorly                                   11-6    Discharging Firearm    
     10-2    Receiving Well                                           11-7    Prowler    
     10-3    Change Channel                                   11-8    Person Down    
     10-4    Acknowledge Message                          11-10    Take a Report    
     10-5    Relay Message                                        11-12    Injured Animal    
     10-6    Busy                                                  11-13    Dead Animal    
     10-7    Out of Service                                          11-14    Dog Bite    
     10-8    In Service                                          11-15    Ball game in Street    
     10-9    Repeat?                                                  11-27    Felony Record, No Want    
     10-10    Remain in Service                                  11-28    Misdemeanor Record, No Want    
     10-16    Prisoner                                                  11-29    No Want    
     10-17    Report Routine                                          11-30    Incomplete Phone Call    
     10-19    Return to Station                                  11-31    Calling for Help (other than officer)    
                                                                             11-40    Notify if Ambulance Needed    
     10-21    Phone ______                                          11-41    Ambulance Needed    
     10-21H    Phone your home                                  11-42    Ambulance Not Needed    
     10-22    Disregard                                                  11-44    Coroner's Case    
     10-23    Stand  By                                                  11-45    Suicide    
     10-28    Vehicle Registration Check                  11-46    Death    
     10-29    Check for Wants/Warrants                  11-47    Injured Person    
     10-34    Are you Clear?                                          11-48    Provide Transportation    
     10-35    Dangerous/Armed Person Alert          11-49    Vehicle Stop    
     10-36    Time Check                                          11-50    Vehicle Stop, license check    
     10-41    Beginning of Shift                                  11-51    Ped Stop / FI (Field Investigation)    
     10-42    End of Shift                                          11-52    Status Check    
     10-46    Assist Motorist                                          11-53    Security Check    
     10-53    Road Blocked                                          11-55    Hazardous/Chemical spill    
     10-60    Attempt to Contact                                  11-60    Water Leak    
     10-87    Meet the officer                                  11-66    Traffic Lights Out    
     10-88    Request Cover Unit                                  11-71    Fire    
     10-89    Bomb Threat                                          11-80    Accident, Serious Injury    
     10-92    Radio Check                                          11-81    Accident, Minor Injury    
     10-97    Arrived at Scene                                  11-82    Accident, No Injury Property Only    
     10-98    Finished last Assignment (CHP uses only)11-83    Accident, No Details    
                                                                             11-84    Traffic Control    
                                                                             11-85    Tow Truck    
                                                                             11-86    Special Detail    
                                                                             11-88    Citizen Assist    
                                                                             11-99    Officer Needs Help    
                         



Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Edward on March 02, 2010, 05:32:14 PM
<--- 10-7


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 02, 2010, 05:38:18 PM
Thank-you for the codes, code 10-20 was said, I don't see a 10-20 on the list.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: cartfly on March 02, 2010, 05:39:49 PM
Make a law that says that ALL requests for change of venue in California violent cases get sent to Texas.  ::MonkeyFootball::
Amen Edward!  ::MonkeyJnBox:: ::MonkeyJnBox:: ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: mizjay on March 02, 2010, 05:40:38 PM
They said they need traffic control..Lake Dr. and Rancho Rd


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Tracygirl on March 02, 2010, 05:41:07 PM
O/T I am listening in on the scanner. Wow that woman dispatcher is so good. She knows what is going on everywhere! I am very impressed.



Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Tracygirl on March 02, 2010, 05:45:43 PM
OT did they honestly just say donate shop? Lol


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Tracygirl on March 02, 2010, 05:47:55 PM
Thank-you for the codes, code 10-20 was said, I don't see a 10-20 on the list.

I did a search it says it mean "location"


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: cartfly on March 02, 2010, 05:48:00 PM
This is another list, not specific for San Diego and Cal Hwy Patrol so may vary. Very long....
http://www.apsu.edu/oconnort/polcodes.htm (http://www.apsu.edu/oconnort/polcodes.htm)

POLICE CODES AND ABBREVIATIONS:
A NEARLY-COMPLETE LIST

Below you will find the mother of all lists which is quite lengthy and intended to represent the range of abbreviations nationwide.  Codes may vary by jurisdiction.

10-0 Use Caution
10-1 You are being received Poorly
10-2 You are being received Clearly
10-3 Stop Transmitting
10-4 O.K.
10-5 Relay Message
10-6 Busy with Call
10-7 Out of service, (completely)
10-7b Out of service (personal)
10-7c Out of service (court)
10-7od Out of service (off duty)
10-8 In service
10-8ot In service (over time)
10-9 Repeat last message
10-10 Out of service, Radio on
10-11 Give F.C.C. Call Sign/Dispatching too fast
10-12 Visitors or officials present
10-13 Advise weather and road conditions
10-14 Convoy or escort detail
10-15 Prisoner in custody
10-15m Prisoner in custody (mental case)
10-16 Pick up prisoner
10-17 Pick up papers
10-18 Complete present asignment ASAP/Get there quick/ASAP
10-19 Return to office
10-20 Your location
10-21 Call by telephone
10-21A Phone home, my ETA is _____
10-21B Call your home
10-22 Cancel last message/Take no further action
10-23 Stand by until channel clears
10-24 Emergency at station/all units return
10-25 Do you have contact with ___________
10-26 Driver's license check by number or name
10-27 Check for wants or warrants
10-28 Check registration on vehicle
10-29 Check for stolen for
10-29A Check wants, subject (PIN)
10-29R Check wants and record, subject (PIN, CJIC)
10-29C Check complete, subject (NCIC)
10-30 Does not conform to rules or regulations
10-31 Is lie detector available?
10-32 Is Intoxilizer available?
10-33 Emergency traffic/don't transmit unless necessary
10-33 Alarm (type: Audible, silent)
10-34 Clear for local dispatch or open door
10-35 Confidential information or open window
10-36 Correct time
10-37 Give me name of Operator on duty
10-38 Your destination
10-39 Your message is delivered/Requested unit enroute
10-40 Advise if officer _______ available for phone call
10-41 Call the station on alternate frequency
10-42 Officer ..... now at his home
10-43 Have _________ call his/her residence
10-44 Station _________ is calling your residence
10-45 Give name of Officer in Charge or Injured person
10-46 Advise if ________ available at phone
10-47 Officer ______ is available at _________
10-48 Not available for assignment/out for coffee or whatever
10-49 Pick up passenger at ___________
10-50 No traffic for you/resume patrol
10-51 Message for delivery by telephone
10-52 Message for delivery in writing
10-53 Do you have traffic for this station?
10-54 Unit and officer have left the Parish
10-54d Possible dead body
10-55 Unit and officer have returned to Parish
10-55d Send coroner
10-56 Teletype busy
10-57 Teletype broken or Firearms discharged
10-58 Teletype in service
10-59 Tape for repeat message
10-60 What is next for message # _____
10-61 Stand by for teletype message
10-62 Unable to copy radio, use teletype or meet in person
10-63 Net in use, stand by, will advise when clear
10-64 Net clear, go ahead with traffic
10-65 Clear for assignment
10-66 Clear for cancellation
10-67 All stations retransmit following
10-68 Repeat dispatch
10-69 Have you dispatched _______?
10-70 Net message for all stations
10-71 Proceed with traffic
10-72 Stand by for Civil Defense Test
10-73 Stand by for Civil Defense Traffic
10-74 Civil Defense Clear
10-75 Severe weather statement
10-76 Give daily traffic
10-77 Give mileage your unit
10-78 Send ambulance
10-79 Send wrecker
10-80 Tower lights out/Explosion/Lightening
10-80a Assist radio dispatcher
10-81 Officer ______ will be at your station
10-82 Reserve room for officer
10-83 Have _______ call station by phone
10-84 Advise ____ officer will return this date
10-85 Officer _____ on special detail or Meet with agent
10-86 Advise phone number your location
10-87 Give call letters of your station
10-88 Advise phone number of officer
10-89 Request radio servicemen be sent
10-90 Request teletype servicemen
10-91 Prepare for inspection of ______ by ________
10-91B Noisy animal (Barking)
10-91D Dead animal
10-91H Stray Horse
10-92 Your quality is poor
10-93 Your quality is good
10-94 Call station by teletype
10-95 Advise telephone call this station
10-96 Give test count
10-97 Arrived at scene
10-98 Last detail completed
10-99 Unable to receive your message
10-100 Out using restroom
10-102 Cruelty to animals
10-103 Disturbance
10-103f Disturbance by fight
10-103m Disturbance by mental person
10-106 Obscenity
10-107 Suspicious person
10-108 Officer down or Officer needs assistance
10-112 Impersonating an officer
11-6 Illegal discharge of firearms
11-7 Prowler
11-8 Person down
11-10 Take a report
11-12 Dead animal
11-13 Injured animal
11-14 Animal bite
11-15 Ball game in street
11-17 Wires down
11-24 Abandoned Vehicle
11-25 Vehicle - Traffic hazzard
11-25X Female motorist need assistance
11-26 Abandoned bicycle
11-27 Subject has felony record, but is not wanted
11-28 Rush vehicle registration information
11-29 Subject has no record
11-30 Incomplete telephone call
11-31 Person calling for help
11-40 Advise station if ambulance is needed
11-41 Request Ambulance
11-42 Ambulance not required
11-43 Doctor required
11-44 Coroner required
11-45 Attempted suicide
11-46 Death report
11-47 Injured Person
11-48 Provide Transportation
11-54 Suspicious vehicle
11-65 Traffic Signal light out
11-66 Traffic Signal Out-of-order
11-70 Fire Alarm
11-71 Fire Report
11-79 Traffic Accident - Ambulance dispatched
11-80 Traffic Accident - Serious Injury
11-81 Traffic Accident - Minor Injury
11-82 Traffic Accident - No Injury
11-83 Traffic Accident - No Details
11-84 Direct Traffic
11-85 Dispatched Tow Truck
11-86 Special Detail
11-87 Assist Other Unit
11-95 Out of vehicle, car stop (location/license)
11-96 Out of vehicle, car stop, send backup(location/license)
11-98 Meet Officer
11-99 Officer needs Help/Emergency

A Adult
A No rain expected
AC Aircraft crash
AC Animal control
ADW Assalt with a Deadly Weapon
APB All points bulletin
ASAP As soon as possible
AID Accident Investigation Detail
AV Abandoned vehicle
B Rain Expected
BLK Block
BKG Booking
BO Out of Order
BOL Be On the Lookout
CP Complaining Party
CPD City or County Property Damage
CT Court
DB Dead Body
DMV Department of Motor Vehicles Information requested
E-B Eastbound
ETA Estimated Time of Arrival
EXP Expired
FTA Failure to Appear
GOA Gone on Arrival
GTA Grand Theft Auto
INJ Injury
I/S Intersection
J Juvenile involved
LIC License
LT/T Left turn
M/C Motorcycle
NCIC National Criminal Information Center
NIA Non-Injury Accident
OBS Observed
OD Off Duty
OP LIC Operator's License
OT Over Time
PAB Policy Administration Building
PI Personal Injury
POSS Possession
QT Secrecy required
RES DIST Residential District
ROF Report on File
RP Reporting Party
SPD Speed
UL Unable to Locate
UTL Unable to Locate
VEH Vehicle
VIN Vehicle Identification Number
WIT Witness
X Female involved
45/25 MPH clocked speed in zone

Code 1 Acknowledge this Call
Code 2 Proceed Immediately with lights/without Siren
Code 3 Proceed Immediately with lights and Siren
Code 4 No further assistance required
Code 5 Stakeout - Uniformed Officers stay away
Code 6 Out of Vehicle for Investigation
Code 7 Out of Service to eat
Code 8 Fire Alarm
Code 9 Answering ring-down
Code 10 Bomb Threat
Code 12 Patrol your District and report extent of damage
Code 13 Major Disaster Activation
Code 14 Resume normal Operation
Code 20 Notify News Media to respond
Code 22 Restricted Radio Traffic
Code 30 Officer needs assistance - Emergency
Code 33 Emergency Traffic on Air - All units stand by
Code 43 TAC forces committed
Code 100 In position to intercept Suspect

14 Ambulance in route
15 Citizens holding suspect
17f Fugitive attachment
17m Municipal court attachment
17t Traffic attachment
18 Traffic incident
19 Drunk
20 Auto accident
20a Airplane crash
20f Fatal accident
20i Injury accident
21 Complaint
23 Traffic congestion
24 Medical emergency
25 Call dispatcher
26 Police officer
27 Attempted crime
28 Inciting a felony
29 Death
30 Homicide
30c Homicide by cutting
30s Homicide by shooting
34 Aggravated battery
34c Cutting

34s Shooting
35 Simple battery
37 Aggravated assault
38 Simple assault
39 Negligent injury
42 Aggravated rape
43 Simple rape
44 Aggravated kidnapping
45 Simple kidnapping
51 Aggravated arson
51b Bomb threat
52 Simple arson
52e Explosives
52f Fire
54 Combustible materials
56 Criminal damage
58 Contaminated water
59 Criminal Mischief
60 Aggravated burglary
62 Alarms
62b Simple burglary
62c Auto burglary
62r Residential burglary
62s Safe burglary
63 Criminal Trespass
63s Sit-in
64 Armed robbery
64g Armed robbery/gun
64k Armed robbery/knife
65 Simple robbery
65p Purse snatching
66 Extortion threats
68 Unauthorized use of movable
69 Possession of stolen goods
71 Issuing worthless checks
72 Forgery
80 Carnal knowledge of juvenile
81 Indecent behavior with juvenile
82 Prostitution
84 Pandering
87 Abortion
89 Crime against nature
90 Gambling
90c Gambling by cards
90d Gambling by dice
91 Unlawful sale to minor
93 Cruelty to juvenile
94 Illegal use of weapon
95 Illegal carrying of gun
95k Illegal carrying of knife
98 D.W.I.
99 Reckless operation
100 Hit and run
148 Resisting Arrest
187 Homicide
207 Kidnapping
211 Armed Robery
240 Assalt - Misdemeanor
242 Battery
243 Assault on Police Officer
245 Assault with a Deadly Weapon
261 Rape
273 Assault on Person
288 Lewd Conduct / Felony sex offense
311 Loud and Obscene
314 Indecent exposure
330 Gambling
390 Drunk
390c Drunk in Vehicle
390d Drunk Unconcious
404 Riot
407 Unlawful Assembly
415 Disturbing the Peace
415b Investigate the Trouble
415c Disturbance - Children involved
415d Disturbance - Drunk involved
415e Loud Music or Party
415f Disturbance - Family
415g Disturbance - Gang
417 Brandishing / Man with Gun
447 Arson
459 Burglary
459a Burglar Alarm ringing
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480 Hit and Run - Felony
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484 Petty theft
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Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Missiontoconvict on March 02, 2010, 05:48:06 PM
I am listening to the scanner thought I heard them say another search crew is ready to go - they will be searching West of something ------tion.  I am on my computer at work and can't hear real well - need my headphones.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 02, 2010, 05:49:23 PM
Thank-you for the codes, code 10-20 was said, I don't see a 10-20 on the list.

I did a search it says it mean "location"
Thanks  ::MonkeyCool::  3pm presser has been abruptly cancelled


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 02, 2010, 05:50:27 PM
Thanks cartfly  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: cartfly on March 02, 2010, 05:54:46 PM
Your welcome  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Adam In California on March 02, 2010, 05:58:10 PM
This is another list, not specific for San Diego and Cal Hwy Patrol so may vary. Very long....
http://www.apsu.edu/oconnort/polcodes.htm (http://www.apsu.edu/oconnort/polcodes.htm)

POLICE CODES AND ABBREVIATIONS:
A NEARLY-COMPLETE LIST

Below you will find the mother of all lists which is quite lengthy and intended to represent the range of abbreviations nationwide.  Codes may vary by jurisdiction.


I wouldn't say that is exhaustive.  Where is "Doughnut Shop"?


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: MuffyBee on March 02, 2010, 06:00:55 PM
Make a law that says that ALL requests for change of venue in California violent cases get sent to Texas.  ::MonkeyFootball::

I see where you're coming from, but no thank you.  We don't need any more violent criminals/cases here in Texas.  It's really expensive keeping them on death row until all of their appeals are up.  It' takes years, and years....unfortunately. 


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: SunnyinTX on March 02, 2010, 06:01:26 PM
COULD BE A RUMOR....saw it on WS


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Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: klaasend on March 02, 2010, 06:01:42 PM
Body Found


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: klaasend on March 02, 2010, 06:02:38 PM
http://www.10news.com/news/22678790/detail.html

Body Of Missing Teen Found In Or Near Lake Hodges
Sex Offender John Gardner Charged To Be Charged With The Murder Of Chelsea King, 17

POSTED: 12:14 am PST February 26, 2010
UPDATED: 2:59 pm PST March 2, 2010
SAN DIEGO -- BREAKING NEWS: The body of 17-year-old Chelsea King, who disappeared while jogging in Rancho Bernardo Community Park last Thursday, has been found in or near Lake Hodges, sources told 10News.

The teen's body was located at around 2 p.m. A candlelight vigil planned for the teen is still scheduled to happen tonight.

Earlier in the day, hundreds of volunteers and law enforcement personnel fanned out over fields, swamps and marshes around Lake Hodges for a sixth straight day Tuesday in a determined effort to find a Poway High School senior who went missing while on one of her regular jogs in the scenic area.

Chelsea King, 17, vanished late Thursday afternoon after parking her car at Rancho Bernardo Community Park.

(snipped)


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: cartfly on March 02, 2010, 06:03:06 PM
Body Found
oh god I just saw that on chan 10 san diego
 http://www.10news.com/news/index.html ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyTears::  (http://www.10news.com/news/index.html ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyTears::)


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Tracygirl on March 02, 2010, 06:03:18 PM
Klaas you have nanners please


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: MuffyBee on March 02, 2010, 06:03:41 PM
 ::MonkeyAngel:: Chelsea ::MonkeyAngel::



Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: trimmonthelake on March 02, 2010, 06:03:59 PM
# GriffinRock  RT @nbcsandiego  Body found during search for missing Poway teen Chelsea King: http://tinyurl.com/yz8c4uk   half a minute ago from UberTwitter
# Melbourne_au_2009_007_normal dnajd Ugh...tears...RIP Chelsea King...prayers and thoughts go out to her family-this is a heartbreaking outcome. half a minute ago from web
# 0_230_normal martywtheparty Watching the news...a body has been found in Lake Hodges, they're saying it's Chelsea King's. half a minute ago from Echofon
http://twitter.com/#search?q=chelsea%20king


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: klaasend on March 02, 2010, 06:04:57 PM
http://www.cbs8.com/Global/story.asp?S=12072275

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Reports: Body found in area of Chelsea King search
Posted: Mar 02, 2010 2:54 PM PST Updated: Mar 02, 2010 2:54 PM PST

There are reports Tuesday afternoon that a girl's body has been found in the area where search crews have been looking for Chelsea King.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Northern Rose on March 02, 2010, 06:05:03 PM
Body Found During Search for Chelsea King

A body was discovered Tuesday during the search for a missing Poway teenager, according to several law enforcement sources.

Chelsea King, 17, has been the subject of an extensive search effort near Lake Hodges since last week. John Albert Gardner III  was  arrested Monday in connection to the case of the missing Poway High School student.

The body was found near Lake Hodges. No other details are available yet.

Chelsea was last seen Thursday, Feb. 25. before heading out to run after school. Her car was found at the Rancho Bernardo Glassman Community Park. Her cell phone, iPod and school clothes were found inside the car.

Since then, hundreds of volunteers searched the area near Lake Hodges. On Monday, law enforcement sources said an article of King's clothing was found on the southern edge of the lake. DNA on the clothing led to Gardner's arrest, according to investigators.

Dozens of law enforcement officers from multiple agencies worked in teams performing line searches at the lake, going through reeds, snakes and vegetation, along a 14-mile stretch of shoreline.

Gardner has been linked to an attack on a jogger in December. The woman in that case got away and identified Gardner in a photo lineup, according to investigators.

Check back here for updates on this breaking news story.
 

http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local-beat/Chelsea-Kings-Body-Found-86021177.html


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: mizjay on March 02, 2010, 06:05:18 PM
~ Chelsea~   R I P sweet child


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Tracygirl on March 02, 2010, 06:05:49 PM
http://www.10news.com/news/22678790/detail.html

Body Of Missing Teen Found In Or Near Lake Hodges
Sex Offender John Gardner Charged To Be Charged With The Murder Of Chelsea King, 17

POSTED: 12:14 am PST February 26, 2010
UPDATED: 2:59 pm PST March 2, 2010
SAN DIEGO -- BREAKING NEWS: The body of 17-year-old Chelsea King, who disappeared while jogging in Rancho Bernardo Community Park last Thursday, has been found in or near Lake Hodges, sources told 10News.

The teen's body was located at around 2 p.m. A candlelight vigil planned for the teen is still scheduled to happen tonight.

Earlier in the day, hundreds of volunteers and law enforcement personnel fanned out over fields, swamps and marshes around Lake Hodges for a sixth straight day Tuesday in a determined effort to find a Poway High School senior who went missing while on one of her regular jogs in the scenic area.

Chelsea King, 17, vanished late Thursday afternoon after parking her car at Rancho Bernardo Community Park.

(snipped)

Oh gosh...RIP sweet girl, I am so sorry this happened to you, you didn't deserve it. Prayers for her family and friends, may God hold you up and carry you through this most difficult time.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Shell on March 02, 2010, 06:06:15 PM

I need to get out of the house  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Be back in a while.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: klaasend on March 02, 2010, 06:06:49 PM
Klaas you have nanners please

Nothing yet


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: SunnyinTX on March 02, 2010, 06:08:22 PM
http://twitter.com/kellymthornton

kellymthornton

   1. Investigators have found the body of Chelsea King. 14 minutes ago via web
   

    * Name Kelly Thornton
    * Location San Diego, California
    * Web http://conorhaffe...
    * Bio freelance journalist, former San Diego Union-Tribune reporter, singer in band, 25-plus marathons, wife and mom of 2-year-old

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Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: akmom on March 02, 2010, 06:08:33 PM
HLN is reporting that local reports are that a body has been found.  Has anyone heard this?  I have been so praying that she would be found safe.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Northern Rose on March 02, 2010, 06:09:02 PM
 ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: klaasend on March 02, 2010, 06:09:21 PM
Klaas you have nanners please

Nothing yet

Responded


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: klaasend on March 02, 2010, 06:09:51 PM
HLN is reporting that local reports are that a body has been found.  Has anyone heard this?  I have been so praying that she would be found safe.

Body found


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: darla on March 02, 2010, 06:10:22 PM
You are safe in the Arms of Jesus. You are now home sweet baby girl!

My thoughts and prayers are for her family and friends!

My thoughts and prayers also go out to all you have searched so tirelessly to bring her home. God Bless each of them.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Northern Rose on March 02, 2010, 06:11:39 PM
The look to be pointing along the shore



Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Missiontoconvict on March 02, 2010, 06:11:43 PM
This brings such sadness and anger.  God Bless you Chelsea  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: SunnyinTX on March 02, 2010, 06:12:23 PM
HLN is reporting that local reports are that a body has been found.  Has anyone heard this?  I have been so praying that she would be found safe.

Body found

I am glad they found her......her family and friends needed her to be found.  RIP sweet child


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Tracygirl on March 02, 2010, 06:14:28 PM
10-7 myself. I need some air. BBL


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: akmom on March 02, 2010, 06:14:44 PM
HLN is reporting that local reports are that a body has been found.  Has anyone heard this?  I have been so praying that she would be found safe.

Body found

Thanks Klaas.  My internet is so slow, so many responses pop up while I am writing.  I am so angry that once again this is the ending to something that should have never happened.  Peace to her family.  Rest in Jesus sweet girl.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Northern Rose on March 02, 2010, 06:15:54 PM
so sad


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Missiontoconvict on March 02, 2010, 06:16:30 PM
I am going to step away too.  Such a shame, such a travesty.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: klaasend on March 02, 2010, 06:18:23 PM
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/mar/02/reports-body-found-lake-hodges/

Reports of body found in Lake Hodges

Tuesday, March 2, 2010 at 3 p.m.
Authorities gather on a boat launch on Lake Hodges where they are staging their search for missing teenager Chelsea King Tuesday March 2, 2010 in San Diego. (AP Photo/Lenny Ignelzi)
(http://media.signonsandiego.com/img/photos/2010/03/02/004cd99d-6d3b-4d7e-ac36-c793449f04dcnews.ap.org_t352.jpg?980751187beea6fc26a3a9e93795d379f58af1c4)

News media report a body has been found in Lake Hodges during the search for missing 17-year-old Chelsea King.

Live stream at the crime scene at the above link


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 02, 2010, 06:18:31 PM
My prayers to Chelsea's family.  RIP  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Northern Rose on March 02, 2010, 06:18:48 PM
10-7 for me as well. 


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: cartfly on March 02, 2010, 06:24:04 PM
Rest in peace sweet heart. ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Cappuccino on March 02, 2010, 06:26:06 PM
Foxnews just broke in to say a body was found believed to be Chelsea
 ::MonkeyAngel::  Dear God, make our judicial system see the light & keep our babies safe from the devil's work

Prayers to the King family


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: piwannaberookie on March 02, 2010, 06:30:17 PM
time to waterboard gardner for answers because this is more than enough


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: klaasend on March 02, 2010, 06:30:45 PM
http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local-beat/Chelsea-Kings-Body-Found-86021177.html

Body Found During Search for Chelsea King
Poway teen missing since last week
By ERIC S. PAGE and R. STICKNEY
Updated 3:22 PM PST, Tue, Mar 2, 2010

A body was discovered Tuesday during the search for a missing Poway teenager, according to several law enforcement sources.

Chelsea King, 17, has been the subject of an extensive search effort near Lake Hodges since last week. John Albert Gardner III  was  arrested Monday in connection to the case of the missing Poway High School student.

The body was found near the southen shore of Lake Hodges. Officials have cordoned off a large area with police tape and have made a series of trips to the shore from a boat moored nearby. The sheriff's department said at 3:15 p.m. that they had rescheduled an earlier news conference for 3:45 p.m., which NBCSandiego.com will livestream. No other details are available yet.

Chelsea was last seen Thursday, Feb. 25. before heading out to run after school. Her car was found at the Rancho Bernardo Glassman Community Park. Her cell phone, iPod and school clothes were found inside the car.



Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 02, 2010, 06:36:36 PM
 ::MonkeyNoNo::

I have been in the rafters following this case.

Thanks to all for the updates.

Janet




Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Cappuccino on March 02, 2010, 06:45:18 PM
Klass & everyone this live coverage from the Fox local station is covering the presser as well - watching right now & they are reviewing the history of the case

http://www.fox5sandiego.com/videobeta/?watchLive=kswb-ls-breaking-news


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Cappuccino on March 02, 2010, 06:46:57 PM
Meant to say 7PM east 6PM cen


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 02, 2010, 06:47:59 PM
HLN is covering the press conference shortly.

Janet
3:50 PM PT



Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: klaasend on March 02, 2010, 06:49:39 PM
Thanks Capp and Janet.

They are saying the press conference should start in about 2 minutes.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: ArmChairAnalysist on March 02, 2010, 06:49:40 PM
I had a lot of pages to read from this morning and I get to the end just in time to hear a body has been found. This guy better get death.



Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Cappuccino on March 02, 2010, 06:50:40 PM
Thanks Capp and Janet.

They are saying the press conference should start in about 2 minutes.

Yes, apparently they did get  a 2 min warning according to the Fox local coverage


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Cappuccino on March 02, 2010, 06:51:36 PM
ON RIGHT NOW

http://www.fox5sandiego.com/videobeta/?watchLive=kswb-ls-breaking-news


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Edward on March 02, 2010, 06:51:47 PM
So his pattern is to place a body in water.



Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Northern Rose on March 02, 2010, 06:54:10 PM
10-15 feet away from tributary
shallow grave
shoe found
body found

south of the lake little tributary


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Bearlyhere on March 02, 2010, 06:56:33 PM


Prayers for Chelsea's family and all who love her.  Prayers also going out for all the rescuers.  Please use this as a catalyst to keep our children and women safe from these predators, also to keep our men safe, who are not immune from sex offenders either. 

Rest with the angels, sweet Chelsea.  You said you wanted to help people and change the world, let's hope your death will do that and you will not just be known as another victim, but as the one who changed the laws to help others remain safe.



Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Northern Rose on March 02, 2010, 06:57:39 PM
reporter asked about knife found - sherriff no comment


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Edward on March 02, 2010, 06:58:00 PM
A tributary or affluent is a stream or river which flows into a main stem (or parent) river.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Tracygirl on March 02, 2010, 06:58:57 PM
So his pattern is to place a body in water.



A shallow grave near the crime scene. He also probably wanted someplace easy to dig since he used a muddy area.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Edward on March 02, 2010, 07:07:11 PM
(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Chelsea%20King/25047_10150105046490018_737900017_1.jpg)
Rest in Peace Princess Chelsea.

I pray God holds the parents for as long as it takes to stop the bleeding in their hearts.



Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Edward on March 02, 2010, 07:08:00 PM
Please correct my spelling.

I will take a break for awhile now.



Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Tracygirl on March 02, 2010, 07:10:26 PM
Fox says she was found in what is refered to as the shoe..I think that is the area on the map that is right above Alberata on the southern part of the lake. You can see how the water goes off in a little streamish point. She was found about 10 feet off the shore.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Cappuccino on March 02, 2010, 07:19:16 PM
Fox says she was found in what is refered to as the shoe..I think that is the area on the map that is right above Alberata on the southern part of the lake. You can see how the water goes off in a little streamish point. She was found about 10 feet off the shore.

Yup, its my take that another family, maybe more may also get the same type of "closure" due to this monster...Im just fuming as I do every time I hear a case like this, it is senseless & I am not a fan of JVM by any means due to the fact that I think she is a drama hound & totally annoying how she inflects her opinions BUT she used a term tonight "junk justice" and that I do agree well beyond her angst as Ive seen this for years and years & yet still the powers that be just refuse to get it right.    We need to protect society ABOVE AND BEYOND the rights of these heinous basturds


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: mizjay on March 02, 2010, 07:21:40 PM
So his pattern is to place a body in water.



A shallow grave near the crime scene. He also probably wanted someplace easy to dig since he used a muddy area.

The sheriff indicated the shallow grave was more like coverings (leaves/brush/sticks) don't know if he used a shovel or anything, not confirmed.  It is amazing how close it is to the trail, how very close to houses......why was he muddy Sunday...did he go back to check..?


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Cappuccino on March 02, 2010, 07:24:13 PM
So his pattern is to place a body in water.



A shallow grave near the crime scene. He also probably wanted someplace easy to dig since he used a muddy area.

The sheriff indicated the shallow grave was more like coverings (leaves/brush/sticks) don't know if he used a shovel or anything, not confirmed.  It is amazing how close it is to the trail, how very close to houses......why was he muddy Sunday...did he go back to check..?

Could be that he dumped and then went back to cover, ugh or worse there is another victim


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Green Eyes on March 02, 2010, 07:26:09 PM
Fox says she was found in what is refered to as the shoe..I think that is the area on the map that is right above Alberata on the southern part of the lake. You can see how the water goes off in a little streamish point. She was found about 10 feet off the shore.

Yup, its my take that another family, maybe more may also get the same type of "closure" due to this monster...Im just fuming as I do every time I hear a case like this, it is senseless & I am not a fan of JVM by any means due to the fact that I think she is a drama hound & totally annoying how she inflects her opinions BUT she used a term tonight "junk justice" and that I do agree well beyond her angst as Ive seen this for years and years & yet still the powers that be just refuse to get it right.    We need to protect society ABOVE AND BEYOND the rights of these heinous basturds

I couldn't agree more Capp. I want this low life to die a slow pain filled death.
Rest In Peace Chelsea. Prayers for her family.  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: mizjay on March 02, 2010, 07:31:06 PM
So his pattern is to place a body in water.



A shallow grave near the crime scene. He also probably wanted someplace easy to dig since he used a muddy area.

The sheriff indicated the shallow grave was more like coverings (leaves/brush/sticks) don't know if he used a shovel or anything, not confirmed.  It is amazing how close it is to the trail, how very close to houses......why was he muddy Sunday...did he go back to check..?

Could be that he dumped and then went back to cover, ugh or worse there is another victim
Somehow I think it would be highly UNlikely that there isn't another body somewhere, there's a lot of lakes he has been near in the last few years


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Cappuccino on March 02, 2010, 07:31:41 PM
My gut says he indeed is the cause of Amber Dubois' disappearance, maybe more

When it was warned by a psychiatrist  in his 2000 case that this was a predator that would repeat & escalate it should have been taken extremely seriously.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: Adam In California on March 02, 2010, 07:34:26 PM
I just sent this to John and Ken at KFI in LA - Jerry Brown needs to answer some questions

Quote
Jerry Brown announced today that he will run again for Governor of California

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/44/2010/03/jerry-brown-announces-he-will.html?wprss=44

He currently serves as Attorney General of California.

As Attorney General, he is responsible for the State's Bureau of
Forensic Services which operates the State's DNA database - a database
created and funded by voter initiative Proposition 69.

On December 27, 2009 a female jogger was assaulted in the same park
where Chelsea King's body was just recovered.  According to NBC in Los
Angeles and The San Diego Union Tribune, DNA of the assailant was
recovered at the time of crime via swabbing of blood left on the
victim's elbow.    The same reports state that law enforcement has now
forensically linked that assault to John Albert Gardner III, a
previously convicted sex offender who is being held as the lone
suspect in the rape and murder of Chelsea King.

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/mar/02/mom-recalls-dec-attack-on-daughter/

The DNA database that Jerry Brown administers exists for the purpose
of matching DNA found at crime scenes to known felons.

Had the DNA sample recovered on December 27th been processed in a
timely manner, John Albert Gardner III would have been in jail
awaiting trial on February 25th, 2010 instead of hunting down, raping,
murdering and then disposing of Chelsea King.

As the chief Law Enforcement Officer for the State of California
operating a voter mandated database that collected in 2008 twice as
many dollars in funding than the agency spent on the database, he
should have to answer why samples have a 2 month backlog for
processing.

http://ag.ca.gov/bfs/pdf/2008DNAFundReport.pdf
http://ag.ca.gov/bfs/pdf/Monthly.pdf

Why weren't collected funds spent on eliminating the backlog?  Why
wasn't a prioritization scheme in place to get DNA samples from
violent attacks higher priority in processing?

The same database was used to implicate John Albert Gardner III from
the DNA found on Chelsea's underwear and was processed in a matter of
hours.

This is a scandal.  A complete breakdown in governance.  Californians
are willing to pay for public safety.  Prop 69 funds get collected yet
only half get spent and there is a backlog 5 years after the
initiative was passed.

Jerry Brown wants to Governor?  On the basis that he is even a mildly
competent Attorney General?

He should have to defend his management of the BFS and his
administration of the Prop 69 DNA database.



Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: mizjay on March 02, 2010, 07:34:30 PM
My gut says he indeed is the cause of Amber Dubois' disappearance, maybe more

When it was warned by a psychiatrist  in his 2000 case that this was a predator that would repeat & escalate it should have been taken extremely seriously.
Agree with ya.   I think they should check Lake Elsinore area abductions/ sex crimes  too.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Live*Learn*Love on March 02, 2010, 07:38:36 PM
My gut says he indeed is the cause of Amber Dubois' disappearance, maybe more

When it was warned by a psychiatrist  in his 2000 case that this was a predator that would repeat & escalate it should have been taken extremely seriously.
Agree with ya.   I think they should check Lake Elsinore area abductions/ sex crimes  too.

They need to check all areas. Who knows, maybe is biological dad lives in Washington and he is responsible for the Lindsey Baum case. They need to know everywhere he lived, travel and had family.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: mizjay on March 02, 2010, 07:42:20 PM
My gut says he indeed is the cause of Amber Dubois' disappearance, maybe more

When it was warned by a psychiatrist  in his 2000 case that this was a predator that would repeat & escalate it should have been taken extremely seriously.
Agree with ya.   I think they should check Lake Elsinore area abductions/ sex crimes  too.

They need to check all areas. Who knows, maybe is biological dad lives in Washington and he is responsible for the Lindsey Baum case. They need to know everywhere he lived, travel and had family.

So true!


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Northern Rose on March 02, 2010, 07:45:12 PM
A - Chelsea's car
B - ??
C - Restaurant JAG Arrested at
D- ??
E - Mom and Stepdad's house
X - Chelsea found

http://www.sandiego6.com/Map.aspx?content_id=29c032cd-f4aa-415d-b27f-bf2dadb7c7be&map=6e60c982-c612-40a9-8784-fa72b80e0d68



Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Tracygirl on March 02, 2010, 07:45:30 PM
Yesterday I posted a few of the missing persons that happened recently. There was a lot of activity in January. I think there 4 or 5 girls went missing in the riverside and san diego area? To me it seemed like a lot.
The sheriff did say yesterday as well they were going back 18 months and revisiting old cases. Of course this needs to be done in all counties and area's. I hope the FBI is in on this.
I do not have a good feeling about Amber, I hate to say that.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Adam In California on March 02, 2010, 07:46:18 PM
Jerry Brown boasted in 2008 about "eliminating" the DNA backlog.

http://articles.sfgate.com/2008-05-06/bay-area/17154912_1_dna-database-samples-cold-cases

Quote
"This tool is used frequently," he said. Brown, a former mayor of Oakland, said the Hans Reiser murder trial there and the identification of a suspect in the rape of an elderly woman are examples of how DNA will continue to be used to solve crimes.

The lab's expansion was necessary because voters passed Proposition 69 in 2004. The initiative required that all convicted felons submit a DNA sample, which created a huge backlog. The state has largely reduced the backlog, Brown said Monday. "There was a backlog," he added jokingly, "but that was before I was elected."

The backlog is about 84 days.  http://ag.ca.gov/bfs/pdf/Monthly.pdf

Gardner assaulted the first jogger in RB on Dec 27, 2009. That is 61 days before Chelsea was assaulted.

 "There was a backlog," he added jokingly, "but that was before I was elected."


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Live*Learn*Love on March 02, 2010, 07:46:24 PM
A - Chelsea's car
B - ??
C - Restaurant JAG Arrested at
D- ??
E - Mom and Stepdad's house
X - Chelsea found

http://www.sandiego6.com/Map.aspx?content_id=29c032cd-f4aa-415d-b27f-bf2dadb7c7be&map=6e60c982-c612-40a9-8784-fa72b80e0d68

Isn't B the jogger attack


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Tracygirl on March 02, 2010, 07:47:49 PM
Yea b is the joggers attack. What is D? hmm don't recall


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Northern Rose on March 02, 2010, 07:47:52 PM
close up


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: klaasend on March 02, 2010, 07:51:11 PM
According to SignonSanDiego, Chelsea's body was found here:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub8/BodyFound2.jpg)

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/mar/02/reports-body-found-lake-hodges/


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: klaasend on March 02, 2010, 07:51:32 PM
Northern  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Northern Rose on March 02, 2010, 07:52:17 PM
Body found at Lake Hodges

A body has been found in a shallow grave near Lake Hodges and San Diego County Sheriff Bill Gore said there is a “strong likelihood” that it is missing Poway teenager Chelsea King.

Gore said the body was found shortly after 1 p.m. by investigators about 10 to 15 feet from a tributary that led to the lake -- an area that had been searched extensively and is about a half-mile from a parking lot where her locked car was found Thursday.

Gore said he informed Chelsea’s parents before holding a news conference just before 4 p.m.

“Obviously they’re devastated,” he said. “They were holding out hope as we all were that we’d find her alive.”

Investigators have been searching the area for Chelsea since she disappeared Thursday from the nearby Rancho Bernardo Community Park.

The five-day search involved more than 4,000 volunteers who combed the area in and around the park looking for clues.

John Albert Gardner III, 30, a registered sex offender from Lake Elsinore, has been arrested on suspicion of rape and murder in Chelsea’s disappearance. He is being held in the downtown Central Jail and has an arraignment hearing Wednesday.

Prosecutors might divulge some or all of the facts that led to the arrest of Gardner at the arraignment. It often comes during the portion of the hearing when bail is set, and a prosecutor summarizes facts and evidence against a defendant in order to justify a bail amount.

The search for Chelsea focused on a 4-square-mile area near Lake Hodges after authorities said evidence led them there. Divers sifted the lake’s depths Tuesday while investigators searched the shoreline for clues.

Hundreds of volunteers also continued the search for Chelsea, a 17-year-old Poway High School student, in the surrounding areas Tuesday morning. They stuck to their message -- “Bring Chelsea Home” -- even though the unspoken fear was that it may not be possible to bring her home alive.

One couple, James and Vicki Byrne, said they had no choice but to come and help as the search entered its fifth day.

“I’ve got a son and daughter and two grandkids and I can’t just sit around at home,” said Vicki Byrne of Clairemont. “I’d rather do something productive, make a difference.”

The investigation into the sex offender suspected of abducting Chelsea widened as authorities linked him to a December assault and probed whether he had a role in last year’s disappearance of Escondido teenager Amber Dubois.

San Diego police Capt. Jim Collins said Gardner has been tied to a Dec. 27 attack on a jogger in the same park, but it was not through DNA evidence. He declined to say how the link was made, but that they were working with police in Colorado Springs, where the jogger lives.

The San Diego police crime lab over the weekend rushed to test a DNA swab taken from the elbow of the victim of the December attack but came back with no suspect DNA, only the victim’s, Collins said.

The 22-year-old jogger, Candice, told officers she had used her bare elbow to knock her assailant in the face, possibly breaking his nose.

“We thought we could get something good on that, but unfortunately not,” Collins said.

The DNA sample was not tested earlier because it was considered an attempted robbery, which is not as high on the crime lab’s priority list as other violent crimes, Collins said. As of December, the lab’s DNA unit was dealing with a backlog of about 500 various cases.

Gardner is also under investigation for possible involvement in the case of Amber Dubois, a 14-year-old who disappeared while walking to Escondido High School on Feb. 13, 2009, also is under investigation.

Gardner’s mother and stepfather live in a townhouse on Matinal Road in the Westwood neighborhood of Rancho Bernardo, near the park. As recently as November 2009, Gardner registered as a sex offender at an Escondido address, two miles from Escondido High School, near where Amber went missing.

In 2000, Gardner was convicted of a forcible lewd act on a child and false imprisonment after a 13-year-old neighbor girl accused him of repeatedly punching her in the face and touching her private parts. He was sentenced to six years in prison and served five years before he was released in September 2005. He completed probation in 2008.

Court records show that the psychiatrist who interviewed Gardner in that case said the man’s callous attitude and lack of remorse made him “an extremely poor candidate for any sexual offender treatment.”

“It is my opinion that (the defendant) would be a continued danger to underage girls in the community,” said Dr. Matthew Carroll.

Prosecutors initially charged Gardner with more violent sex crimes that could have resulted in a sentence of more than 30 years because the terms would have been served consecutively. A plea deal meant the maximum he could have faced was 10 years and eight months in prison.

Carroll recommended the maximum sentence, but a sentencing memorandum from the District Attorney’s Office said prosecutors asked for a six-year sentence to resolve the case without a trial and spare the victim from testifying.

A candlelight vigil for Chelsea had been set for 7 p.m. Tuesday at Poway’s St. Michael Catholic Church, 15546 Pomerado Rd. It wasn’t clear if it would still be held now that a body has been found.

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/mar/02/reports-body-found-lake-hodges/?imw=Y


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: sebastian on March 02, 2010, 07:55:27 PM
This is sickening! My heart goes out to Chelsea's friends and family. I cannot even begin to imagine their horror and sadness. RIP Chelsea. May justice actually work for you!


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Adam In California on March 02, 2010, 07:57:47 PM
Well.  I get to sit here and wait for my son to come home - he plays French Horn at Poway High too.

Kind of hard to explain this to a 16 year old kid.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA
Post by: can on March 02, 2010, 07:59:07 PM
I just sent this to John and Ken at KFI in LA - Jerry Brown needs to answer some questions

Quote
Jerry Brown announced today that he will run again for Governor of California

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/44/2010/03/jerry-brown-announces-he-will.html?wprss=44

He currently serves as Attorney General of California.

As Attorney General, he is responsible for the State's Bureau of
Forensic Services which operates the State's DNA database - a database
created and funded by voter initiative Proposition 69.

On December 27, 2009 a female jogger was assaulted in the same park
where Chelsea King's body was just recovered.  According to NBC in Los
Angeles and The San Diego Union Tribune, DNA of the assailant was
recovered at the time of crime via swabbing of blood left on the
victim's elbow.    The same reports state that law enforcement has now
forensically linked that assault to John Albert Gardner III, a
previously convicted sex offender who is being held as the lone
suspect in the rape and murder of Chelsea King.

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/mar/02/mom-recalls-dec-attack-on-daughter/

The DNA database that Jerry Brown administers exists for the purpose
of matching DNA found at crime scenes to known felons.

Had the DNA sample recovered on December 27th been processed in a
timely manner, John Albert Gardner III would have been in jail
awaiting trial on February 25th, 2010 instead of hunting down, raping,
murdering and then disposing of Chelsea King.

As the chief Law Enforcement Officer for the State of California
operating a voter mandated database that collected in 2008 twice as
many dollars in funding than the agency spent on the database, he
should have to answer why samples have a 2 month backlog for
processing.

http://ag.ca.gov/bfs/pdf/2008DNAFundReport.pdf
http://ag.ca.gov/bfs/pdf/Monthly.pdf

Why weren't collected funds spent on eliminating the backlog?  Why
wasn't a prioritization scheme in place to get DNA samples from
violent attacks higher priority in processing?

The same database was used to implicate John Albert Gardner III from
the DNA found on Chelsea's underwear and was processed in a matter of
hours.

This is a scandal.  A complete breakdown in governance.  Californians
are willing to pay for public safety.  Prop 69 funds get collected yet
only half get spent and there is a backlog 5 years after the
initiative was passed.

Jerry Brown wants to Governor?  On the basis that he is even a mildly
competent Attorney General?

He should have to defend his management of the BFS and his
administration of the Prop 69 DNA database.



Bravo Adam!


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: can on March 02, 2010, 08:03:53 PM
So tragic and sad.  Prayers to Chelsea's Mom and Dad and family.



Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: ArmChairAnalysist on March 02, 2010, 08:15:48 PM
It seems that he buried the body in a shallow grave close to the shore. I wonder if that means he pushed her body in the mud and then tied her down with the weeds or what ever you call those things. That would keep the body from floating away. If he took Amber there an did the same shallow grave would there still be anything left for them to find?

As devastated as Chelsea's parents are tonight. They have their daughter back to bury. Amber's parents still have to search for their daughter. I feel for both parents. My heart goes out to them. If I could take some of the suffering off their hearts I would.

This peace of Sh_ _  fat boy JAG needs like Edward said to have his thumbs removed, his toes removed and a painful slow castration.

 I just want to cuss words that would make a truck driver blush. In the same breath I feel so bad for the family that feel I should apologizing to them for something he did and will probably never admit to.

I wonder too how many other victims there have been since 2006. 


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: AZSunny on March 02, 2010, 08:16:53 PM
So tragic and sad.  Prayers to Chelsea's Mom and Dad and family.



So sad, and such a waste of a life.  What a beautiful and talented young woman she was.  My heart is breaking for her, and for her family.  I can't even imagine what they must be going through right now. 

Adam, I hope you have some help in directing your words.  They will have a huge impact, and my prayers and concerns are with you.



Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: klaasend on March 02, 2010, 08:19:44 PM
http://www.10news.com/news/22678790/detail.html

Sheriff: 'Strong Likelyhood' Body Found Is Chelsea King
Sex Offender John Gardner Charged To Be Charged With The Murder Of Chelsea King, 17

POSTED: 12:14 am PST February 26, 2010
UPDATED: 4:58 pm PST March 2, 2010

SAN DIEGO -- A body found Tuesday in a shallow grave on the shore of Lake Hodges is believed to be that of 17-year-old Poway High School senior Chelsea King who disappeared while jogging in Rancho Bernardo Community Park last Thursday, the San Diego County sheriff said Tuesdsay afternoon.

"Although positive identification has not been made, there is (a) strong likelihood that we have found Chelsea," Sheriff William Gore announced after breaking the news to the parents of the 17-year-old student.

A registered sex offender, John Albert Gardner III, was arrested Sunday in connection with Chelsea's disappearance and was booked into county jail on suspicion of rape and murder. Gardner is listed on the Megan's Law Web site, which indicates he lives in Lake Elsinore and committed lewd and lascivious acts on a child under 14 years old.

Gardner, 30, is scheduled to be arraigned Wednesday afternoon in a downtown San Diego courtroom.

A member of a law enforcement dive team found the body shortly after 1 p.m. on the south side of the lake, about 10 feet from the water's edge, Gore said.

"It's a heavily wooded area and not observable from the homes on the hillside or the park," he told reporters gathered at Rancho Bernardo Community Park, where Chelsea, an avid runner, disappeared Thursday afternoon.

The corpse was buried under a thin layer of earth and debris about a half-mile from where she had parked her car that day, according to Gore. He declined to say whether the body was clothed.

"I have just left the home of (Chelsea's parents) Brent and Kelly King, where I shared this information," the sheriff told news crews. "Obviously they are devastated, and I ask that you respect their privacy during this extremely difficult time."

Word of the grim discovery began spreading in the afternoon among the throngs of volunteers who had joined in the desperate effort to find Chelsea, a straight-A student and member of the San Diego Youth Symphony and her school's cross-country team.

Sheriff's officials abruptly postponed a planned 3 p.m. update on the case, then rescheduled the briefing for an hour later.

As the news broke, some of those who had been donating their energies to the search sobbed and hugged each other for support.

This morning, hundreds of good Samaritans joined law enforcement personnel in fanning out over fields, swamps and marshes around Lake Hodges for a sixth straight day today in a determined effort to find the girl, who vanished Thursday afternoon after parking her car at Rancho Bernardo Community Park.

About 1,600 volunteers searched for Chelsea on Sunday, while about 1,000 went out Monday, according to figures posted on her family's Facebook page, which they created following her disappearance, in addition to the Web site findchelsea.com. In all, the family estimates about 4,000 volunteers helped looked for her.

Since Chelsea's family reported her missing Thursday evening, a number of law enforcement agencies, including the FBI, pitched in to find her, scouring the Lake Hodges area by foot, air and boat, using sonar for underwater searching.

The sheriff has said physical evidence led them to Gardner, but declined to elaborate. Chelsea's mother later told news stations her daughter's underwear had been found near where the girl went missing.

Detectives also have linked Gardner to another attack late last year on a jogger in the same northern San Diego park where Chelsea was last seen, according to SDPD Capt. Jim Collins.

The morning of Dec. 27, a Colorado woman in the San Diego area on a family visit was running alone in the area when a man tackled her and demanded money. The 22-year-old victim, who managed to escape after elbowing the assailant in the face, left town before she could work with investigators on a sketch of the assailant, according to Collins.

Authorities say they also are investigating whether Gardner might be responsible for the February 2009 disappearance of Escondido High School freshman Amber Dubois, who was 14 when she vanished while walking to campus.

According to public records, Gardner committed a forcible lewd act on a child and false imprisonment in 2000. The victim, a 13-year-old neighbor girl, said he repeatedly punched her in the face and fondled her at his mother's townhouse, which is about a mile from Rancho Bernardo Community Park. The girl said she went to the residence after Gardner invited her in to watch a movie.

Gardner was sentenced to six years in prison and served five before he was released in September 2005. He was on probation until 2008. He registered as a sex offender using his grandmother's Lake Elsinore address but reportedly had been staying with his mother lately.

Dr. Matthew Carroll, a psychiatrist who interviewed Gardner following the 2000 assault, described him as "callous" and lacking remorse, making him "an extremely poor candidate for any sexual offender treatment," according to court records.

"It is my opinion that (Gardner) would be a continued danger to underage girls in the community," Carroll wrote as he recommended the maximum sentence of 30 years in prison.

A memorandum from the District Attorney's Office said prosecutors asked for a six-year sentence to resolve the case without a trial and to spare the victim from testifying.

While awaiting his first court appearance in the alleged murder of Chelsea, Gardner was being held in solitary confinement "so he can be observed and make sure he doesn't harm himself or nobody else harms him," the sheriff said.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: klaasend on March 02, 2010, 08:21:17 PM
It seems that he buried the body in a shallow grave close to the shore. I wonder if that means he pushed her body in the mud and then tied her down with the weeds or what ever you call those things. That would keep the body from floating away. If he took Amber there an did the same shallow grave would there still be anything left for them to find?

As devastated as Chelsea's parents are tonight. They have their daughter back to bury. Amber's parents still have to search for their daughter. I feel for both parents. My heart goes out to them. If I could take some of the suffering off their hearts I would.

This peace of Sh_ _  fat boy JAG needs like Edward said to have his thumbs removed, his toes removed and a painful slow castration.

 I just want to cuss words that would make a truck driver blush. In the same breath I feel so bad for the family that feel I should apologizing to them for something he did and will probably never admit to.

I wonder too how many other victims there have been since 2006. 

If he did the same with Amber, only skeletal remains would be left.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 02, 2010, 08:24:45 PM
While awaiting his first court appearance in the alleged murder of Chelsea, Gardner was being held in solitary confinement "so he can be observed and make sure he doesn't harm himself or nobody else harms him," the sheriff said.
  ::MonkeyNoNo::  Oh please, too bad Chelsea, and his other victims didn't have someone over them observing and making sure no harm would come to them.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: CarolF on March 02, 2010, 08:32:40 PM
I am so sorry for this family and my sadness is just beyond words. I am so mad that these sex offenders are allowed out of prison time and time again to rape, torture and kill. After all they have rights they are human beings. Well what about the rights of citizens who never ever break the law? What about the victims? Our prisons and jails are so over crowded with people for smoking pot and not paying child support. What the hell is wrong with this picture? People can do years for robbing and stealing but commit a sex crime but they are almost guaranteed to get out to make someone another victim of their warped and crazed minds.

I am not just going to sit here anymore just reading. I have had it. There are so many sex offenders everywhere in this country. I am going to start looking them up in my area, print up flyers and take them around to different places and see if they will let me put them in the windows of their stores and the schools might be another place. I am going to write letters. I have just had it.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Northern Rose on March 02, 2010, 08:38:24 PM
Well.  I get to sit here and wait for my son to come home - he plays French Horn at Poway High too.

Kind of hard to explain this to a 16 year old kid.

He will need some time.  Give him lots of hugs.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 02, 2010, 08:41:13 PM
Well.  I get to sit here and wait for my son to come home - he plays French Horn at Poway High too.

Kind of hard to explain this to a 16 year old kid.

He will need some time.  Give him lots of hugs.
Very hard to explain, and I agree with Northern's advice. Can't imagine what the children at the school all must be going through.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: klaasend on March 02, 2010, 08:47:40 PM
FYI on the Chelsea King Search facebook they are confirming it is Chelsea's body.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 02, 2010, 08:50:01 PM
FYI on the Chelsea King Search facebook they are confirming it is Chelsea's body.
Thank-you


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: mizjay on March 02, 2010, 08:58:24 PM
While awaiting his first court appearance in the alleged murder of Chelsea, Gardner was being held in solitary confinement "so he can be observed and make sure he doesn't harm himself or nobody else harms him," the sheriff said.
  ::MonkeyNoNo::  Oh please, too bad Chelsea, and his other victims didn't have someone over them observing and making sure no harm would come to them.

NRCG  Right, everybody has to walk on eggshells to make sure none of his civil rights are violated, and by all means we all are supposed to be awed if some publicity hound lawyer takes his case and let's all hear the sorid circumstances that drove him to act out............makes me want to puke   :smt078


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 02, 2010, 09:02:56 PM
While awaiting his first court appearance in the alleged murder of Chelsea, Gardner was being held in solitary confinement "so he can be observed and make sure he doesn't harm himself or nobody else harms him," the sheriff said.
  ::MonkeyNoNo::  Oh please, too bad Chelsea, and his other victims didn't have someone over them observing and making sure no harm would come to them.

NRCG  Right, everybody has to walk on eggshells to make sure none of his civil rights are violated, and by all means we all are supposed to be awed if some publicity hound lawyer takes his case and let's all hear the sorid circumstances that drove him to act out............makes me want to puke   :smt078
I'm already for the look at the bad childhood and all the other bs that I'm sure will be spewed. I really don't care, and I really don't care what happens to him in the jail, except for the fact he may give up info about Amber if he indeed is the one responsible. After that, then let the guards turn their backs.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: mizjay on March 02, 2010, 09:08:05 PM
While awaiting his first court appearance in the alleged murder of Chelsea, Gardner was being held in solitary confinement "so he can be observed and make sure he doesn't harm himself or nobody else harms him," the sheriff said.
  ::MonkeyNoNo::  Oh please, too bad Chelsea, and his other victims didn't have someone over them observing and making sure no harm would come to them.

NRCG  Right, everybody has to walk on eggshells to make sure none of his civil rights are violated, and by all means we all are supposed to be awed if some publicity hound lawyer takes his case and let's all hear the sorid circumstances that drove him to act out............makes me want to puke   :smt078
I'm already for the look at the bad childhood and all the other bs that I'm sure will be spewed. I really don't care, and I really don't care what happens to him in the jail, except for the fact he may give up info about Amber if he indeed is the one responsible. After that, then let the guards turn their backs.
I'll say he was brazen as hell, traipsing around the grave sight all the while that park was crawling with LE and others. Even ppl. up in those houses could have been using binoculars to watch what was going on. Sure hope he gives something up about Amber, I've got myself convinced, it was him


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Samantha on March 02, 2010, 09:10:57 PM
Yea b is the joggers attack. What is D? hmm don't recall

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"Monday afternoon they were concentrating on the west end of the lake near the boat launch (map D). "

Original post
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=7233.msg1085388#msg1085388

(Did I quote/snip that ok?)


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: IBE on March 02, 2010, 09:19:03 PM
LE in SD about ready to have a debriefing for those there including Sheriff's Search teams from surronding counties.. Don't know what will become public.

We must remind all of us to not be in isolated areas, alone. What happened to run, walk, hike in twos????

Am saddened by all these events.

Remember these sex offender sites aren't always updated. We have to get on our local LE or whom ever it is to enforce the sex offenders to keep signed up and lists up-to-date. In the Donna Jou case the LAPD said they had too many to keep up with. Ugh

Was the the case Tim Miller, TES came in for? in San Diego?

Thanks for the info on Jerry Brown. Will spread the info around



Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: mizjay on March 02, 2010, 09:27:39 PM
LE in SD about ready to have a debriefing for those there including Sheriff's Search teams from surronding counties.. Don't know what will become public.

We must remind all of us to not be in isolated areas, alone. What happened to run, walk, hike in twos????

Am saddened by all these events.

Remember these sex offender sites aren't always updated. We have to get on our local LE or whom ever it is to enforce the sex offenders to keep signed up and lists up-to-date. In the Donna Jou case the LAPD said they had too many to keep up with. Ugh

Was the the case Tim Miller, TES came in for? in San Diego?

Thanks for the info on Jerry Brown. Will spread the info around


"Too many to keep up with"  that's a sad comment for any official to make.  I notice that there are task forces and manpower to document every tattoo and freckle on gang members but not enough to follow through with brutal rapists and killers too.   Sad, sad


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: theboyzmom on March 02, 2010, 09:29:56 PM
I just got home and read this horrible news. I am so sad for the family and friends that she leaves behind. no chance to say goodbye or anything. Add to that she was just out for a run - something she did frequently.

Why is it that this country seems to want to protect the evil people and not protect the innocent and good people?  I am so sick of hearing about the "rights" of these people - they should be killed on sight - just like the old days - let God sort out the few that are mistakenly killed. I know I will give my kids an extra hug tonight.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: klaasend on March 02, 2010, 09:30:41 PM
LE in SD about ready to have a debriefing for those there including Sheriff's Search teams from surronding counties.. Don't know what will become public.

We must remind all of us to not be in isolated areas, alone. What happened to run, walk, hike in twos????

Am saddened by all these events.

Remember these sex offender sites aren't always updated. We have to get on our local LE or whom ever it is to enforce the sex offenders to keep signed up and lists up-to-date. In the Donna Jou case the LAPD said they had too many to keep up with. Ugh

Was the the case Tim Miller, TES came in for? in San Diego?

Thanks for the info on Jerry Brown. Will spread the info around



Hi IBE,

I think Tim Miller originally came to San Diego to search for the family of 4.  While in SD they contacted him to assist in the Chelsea search.  It does not appear that TES had anything to do with the recovery of Chelsea's body though as I believe they mentioned FBI dive teams.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Northern Rose on March 02, 2010, 09:33:13 PM
Doctor: State Should've Held Gardner In 2000
Local Psychiatrist Says John Gardner Should Have Been In State Custody

SAN DIEGO -- A local psychiatrist told 10News sex offender John Gardner should have never been let out of state custody based on the evaluation that was performed on him following a sexual assault on a 13-year-old girl back in 2000.

Dr. Mark Kalish said he felt there was no effort to have Gardner, linked to the disappearance of Poway teen Chelsea King, civilly committed under the mentally disordered sex offender statutes.

Kalish told 10News the statutes would have kept Gardner in a state mental hospital until psychiatrists and the court determined it was safe for him to return to the public.

Kalish said Gardner displayed a typical anti-social personality that takes no responsibility and projects responsibility to others.

"That makes treatment, like the doctor said 10 years ago, impossible," Kalish told 10News.

Kalish considers violent sex offenders like Gardner to be sociopaths, people who have no conscience and no regard for other human beings. He said they think about people as merely objects to fulfill their needs and desires.

"We don't think twice about killing an insect, a fly. These people don't think twice about killing another human being. It’s just an object to them," Kalish said.

Multiple sources close to the case told 10news that King's underwear was found near where she disappeared with Gardner’s DNA on it, linking him to the crime.

Kalish said, "Sloppy. It’s an impulsive act that they've got other things going on in their head. He's got to get rid of a body, so it may just have been a matter of oversight."

Psychiatrist Matthew Carroll evaluated Gardner in 2000 following a violent sexual assault on a 13 year old girl.

Carroll suggested Gardner receive the maximum sentence of 30 years for his crimes, but as part of a plea deal he got six years and served five of those.

Carroll concluded that "when combined with his callous attitude and refusal to admit to any wrongdoing, the defendant demonstrates that he is an extreme danger to others and needs to be imprisoned to protect society."

"He's telling the district attorney, telling the court, 'This man is dangerous. He's gonna do it again,'" Kalish said.

The plea deal was offered to Gardner by the district attorney at the time to save the 13-year-old victim the trauma of testifying.

http://www.10news.com/news/22722387/detail.html


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: sebastian on March 02, 2010, 11:25:37 PM
I am worried that now that poor Chelsea has been found, that Amber will be placed on the back burner. I hope to heck that they will seriously look for Amber and tie anything and everything to this monster! If he did something to Amber and others, their families need to know! Has anyone heard if he has lawyered up?


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Missiontoconvict on March 02, 2010, 11:33:17 PM
I am so sorry for this family and my sadness is just beyond words. I am so mad that these sex offenders are allowed out of prison time and time again to rape, torture and kill. After all they have rights they are human beings. Well what about the rights of citizens who never ever break the law? What about the victims? Our prisons and jails are so over crowded with people for smoking pot and not paying child support. What the hell is wrong with this picture? People can do years for robbing and stealing but commit a sex crime but they are almost guaranteed to get out to make someone another victim of their warped and crazed minds.

I am not just going to sit here anymore just reading. I have had it. There are so many sex offenders everywhere in this country. I am going to start looking them up in my area, print up flyers and take them around to different places and see if they will let me put them in the windows of their stores and the schools might be another place. I am going to write letters. I have just had it.
Carol good post - I couldn't agree more - I started a letter tonight and I intend on sending it to all the legislators in my state - this needs to stop.  If we can't do a better job to protect our young then we have a serious problem.  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: sebastian on March 02, 2010, 11:55:04 PM
I apologize in advance that this is so lengthy, but I wonder what ever happened to this legislation?

Governor Schwarzenegger Proposes Toughest Sex Offender Laws in the History of the State of CaliforniaGovernor Arnold Schwarzenegger today proposed the Sexual Predator Punishment and Control Act, which would give California the most stringent sex offender laws in the history of the state.

"Protecting public safety is my first priority and I want to provide greater protection for all Californians, especially our children, against sexual predators. The Sexual Predator Punishment and Control Act will give California the strictest sex offender laws we have ever had and ensure our state has the toughest penalties for the worst crimes," said Governor Schwarzenegger. "We want these criminals off the streets and away from our schools and children. Today we are making it perfectly clear to all the cowards who want to victimize innocent Californians: we will stop you, we will catch you and we will punish you."

The Sexual Predator Punishment and Control Act (SB 588 and AB 231) as proposed by the Governor today is being carried by Senator George Runner (R-Antelope Valley) and Assemblywoman Sharon Runner (R-Antelope Valley). The Act strengthens punishments, expands parole periods, keeps sex offenders away from schools and places where children frequently play, provides tools for tracking and control of paroled offenders and toughens punishments for the use of "date rape" drugs, child pornography and using the internet to lure children into sex crimes.

"These predators have been preying on our most vulnerable for too long," said Assemblywoman Runner. "Secrecy is their biggest tool to victimize our children and families. As a legislator, mother and soon to be grandmother, I feel my most important job is to keep these predators away from our children and within our sights."

Specifically, the legislation:

Requires registered sex offenders to wear a global positioning device for the rest of their lives.
Establishes the Predator Free Zone 2,000 feet from park where kids play and their schools.
Increases penalties for the possession of child pornography to a misdemeanor or felony, and automatically makes it a felony for second or more offenses.
Ensures sexually violent predators, prior to their parole, stay in a secure hospital until they can prove to a court they no longer pose a danger to society.
Makes it illegal to lure kids into online relationships with lewd intentions.
Establishes a sentence enhancement of five years for rapists who use a date rape drug.
Eliminates "good time" prison credits for habitual sex offenders.
Expands parole terms up to 10 years for predators who commit the most heinous crimes.
Expands and strengthens our basic sexual assault punishment statutes, including those for "One Strike" Sex Crimes, "Habitual Sex Offenders," and "Aggravated Sexual Assault of a Child."
"We need to equip our law enforcement with the best technology available in order to stop these predators from flying under the radar. Requiring GPS monitoring of sex offenders will be a huge deterrent and prevent many children from being victimized in the future," said Senator Runner.

Governor Schwarzenegger has worked to protect public safety and expand victims' rights in California since taking office. Specifically, Governor Schwarzenegger has signed legislation to strengthen Megan's law; worked to pass Proposition 69 to expand the state's DNA database; protected the integrity of California's Three Strike's Law by defeating Proposition 66; increased the ability of crime victims to participate in parole hearings; improved victim restitution laws; and appointed victim advocates to statewide commissions and offices.

Attached is the following additional information regarding the Sexual Predator Punishment and Control Act: A side-by-side comparison of current law vs. the provisions of this Act and a statewide and regional contact list for leaders in support of the Act.

Links to the full text of the Act are below (links are to www.leginfo.ca.gov):




Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: sebastian on March 03, 2010, 12:00:13 AM
So, this bill passed. The citizens of California gave it a green light. Then a U.S. District Judge curtailed it. We need to keep track of these people in PUBLIC office who overturn the policies that the people want on the law books!

Sexual Predator Punishment and Control Act of 2006 Passes, But is Immediately Curtailed
Mon Nov 13 2006 (Updated 11/14/06) Residency Restriction in Jessica's Law is Blocked by Judge on Day After Election
 On November 7th, California voters overwhelmingly approved Proposition 83, or "Jessica's Law." It adds extra punishments, ex post facto, onto Registered Sex Offenders. An anonymous poster to Indybay wrote, "I'm surprised that the winning majority was less than 95%. After all, most citizens think that all RSO's are like the worst of the worst... Few people understand that their neighbor might be an RSO, perhaps convicted for 'indecent exposure,' perhaps many decades ago. But almost a third voted No. These must be the voters who bothered to read the pro and con arguments in the voter info booklet. There they could see that the proposition contains many new laws --- including one which has become a disaster in the state of Iowa. One aspect of the new law says that... that RSO's (even the mildest offenders, and no matter how long ago they offended) cannot live within 2,000 feet of a park or school."

He or she says, "That may sound reasonable -- until you draw a map of the forbidden areas. Then you find that RSO's will be driven out of cities, and even suburbs, into remote rural areas. Those areas lack rental housing, lack jobs, lack psychotherapists, et cetera." Those areas also lack the resources for enforcing the required registration and GPS monitoring of past offenders. CALCASA points out: "California voters made one thing very clear on Election Day, that they are passionate about ending sexual violence and serving victims. Proposition 83 will cost at minimum, hundreds of millions of dollars annually but not one dollar will be allotted to victims or victim services." The law also does not distinguish between offenders who are at a higher risk of offending again, or between the level of violence involved in certain kinds of crimes (public exposure and public urination are viewed by most as nonviolent offenses). The law expands upon Megan's Law, which was named after a girl who was raped and killed in New Jersey. Jessica's Law is named after a Florida girl who was raped and killed by a repeat offender. The majority of California's RSO's have not committed a violent crime related to children.

The day after the election, registered sex offenders won a reprieve. The buffer zone around parks and schools "may well be an unconstitutional retroactive penalty," according to U.S. District Judge Susan Illston. She issued a temporary restraining order blocking enforcement of the provision in four Bay Area counties at the request of a man who said the initiative would force him out of the community where he has lived for more than 20 years. She ruled that the plaintiff, who was identified only as John Doe, would likely be able to demonstrate that Prop. 83 is a punitive measure that should not be imposed on people who committed sex crimes before voters had passed the measure. She stopped enforcement of the residency restrictions until November 27th, when a hearing will be held before another federal judge on a preliminary injunction that would extend the ban. The order applies to San Francisco, Alameda, Marin, and Sonoma counties, whose district attorneys were named as defendants, along with Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger and state Attorney General Bill Lockyer.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Northern Rose on March 03, 2010, 12:03:18 AM
Missing California teen's body believed found

SAN DIEGO -- A body found in a shallow grave Tuesday is believed to be that of 17-year-old Chelsea King, whose disappearance led to the arrest of a registered sex offender, authorities said.

The remains were found buried in a park about 10 feet from the shoreline of Lake Hodges, San Diego County Sheriff William Gore said.

"Although positive identification has not been made, there is (a) strong likelihood that we have found Chelsea," he told reporters.

Gore said he had informed the teen's parents.

"Obviously they are devastated and I ask that you respect their privacy during this extremely difficult time," he said.

Hours later, several thousand people holding candles and tearfully embracing joined the teen's parents, Brent and Kelly King, in a vigil outside St. Michael Catholic Church in suburban Poway.

Brent King spoke briefly, thanking everyone for their efforts to find his daughter.

"One of the nicknames that I've always called my daughter is my Angel. She's my angel forever," he said.

"I want to thank you. Chelsea wants to thank you," he said.

When someone shouted, "We love you," Brent King responded, "We love all of you."


MORE....

http://www.sacbee.com/2010/03/02/2577801/missing-california-teens-body.html


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: klaasend on March 03, 2010, 12:12:30 AM
http://www.10news.com/news/22723155/detail.html

Dubois Family Watched Gardner After Girl's Disappearance
Family Of Amber Dubois Says John Gardner Was On List Of Sex Offenders They Observed


POSTED: 7:17 pm PST March 2, 2010
UPDATED: 8:00 pm PST March 2, 2010
ESCONDIDO, Calif. -- The man suspected of in the death of Chelsea King was being watched more than a year ago by the family of missing teenager Amber Dubois.

On Tuesday, 10News spoke with Amber's mother, Carrie McGonigle. She said her family asked investigators with the Escondido Police Department to check out 174 registered sex offenders living within the area of Escondido High School where Amber, who was 14 years old at the time, was last seen February 13, 2009.

McGonigle said she was angry when she heard about John Gardner's arrest, "'Cause I asked numerous times for Escondido PD to check out every single one."

Family friend Linda Walkup said Chelsea King could have been saved if investigators checked in on people like Gardner.

"Had he been looked at from the beginning maybe, possibly, we could have stopped what's going on with Chelsea right now," said Walkup.

Instead, Amber's family and friends began their own investigation. They located the homes of 147 known registered sex offenders in Escondido, San Marcos, Poway and Rancho Bernardo. They drove by their homes and even staked out some of those homes. One of the stakeouts was almost a year ago, outside an Escondido apartment belonging to Gardner at the time.

Family friend Vinnie Spucces showed 10News reporter Joe Little the notes they'd taken on March 28, 2009, about Gardner. They couldn't believe it when he was arrested.

"My wife dropped to the ground and says, ‘We were there. We got his picture,'" said Spucces, "We were shocked."

The family told 10News they were holding out hope that Chelsea and Amber would be found together, alive.

Spucces told 10News by phone Tuesday's discovery of what appears to be Chelsea's body is a blow to the King family and their own search for Amber.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Northern Rose on March 03, 2010, 12:16:23 AM
Photo Gallery: Chelsea King candlelight vigil

Authorities on Tuesday found a body believed to be that of missing Poway teenager Chelsea King.

Her parents, Brent and Kelly King, were joined by mourners for a candlelight vigil Tuesday night at St. Michael’s Catholic Church in Poway.

http://www.sdnn.com/sandiego/2010-03-02/local-county-news/photo-gallery-chelsea-king-candlelight-vigil

(http://www.sdnn.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/2/gallery/chelsea-king-vigil/king01.jpg)

(http://www.sdnn.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/2/gallery/chelsea-king-vigil/king13.jpg)


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: bananas on March 03, 2010, 12:18:07 AM
LE in SD about ready to have a debriefing for those there including Sheriff's Search teams from surronding counties.. Don't know what will become public.

We must remind all of us to not be in isolated areas, alone. What happened to run, walk, hike in twos????

Am saddened by all these events.

Remember these sex offender sites aren't always updated. We have to get on our local LE or whom ever it is to enforce the sex offenders to keep signed up and lists up-to-date. In the Donna Jou case the LAPD said they had too many to keep up with. Ugh

Was the the case Tim Miller, TES came in for? in San Diego?

Thanks for the info on Jerry Brown. Will spread the info around



About 5 years ago, I started my exercise regimen of walking.  I walk 2-4 miles a day most days.  When I started this, I got up one morning and decided to go out and walk in our neighborhood just as the sun was rising.  I never realized how deserted the streets are at sunrise and I was soon confronted with an unsavory character who looked at me with a not so nice look.  I crossed the street to avoid him and actually I hurried home.  After that I never walked that early in the morning by myself again.  Sometimes people just don't think.  This is something that needs to be stressed to EVERYONE.  We must be careful not to isolate ourselves.  How horrible to have to be so scared!!


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: sebastian on March 03, 2010, 12:37:31 AM
So, JAG did attend Rim of the world high school. Now we should be looking at missing girls in San Bernardino as well.

Body Found Near Lake Hodges - Rim High Grad Suspect in Case (Update)
By G.T. Houts
Tuesday, March 2, 2010

Update - Tuesday 4:15 p.m.

Escondido, CA - A body has been located in a shallow grave near Lake Hodges and is believed to be that of Chelsea King.


Rim High graduate John Albert Gardner III is suspected of raping and killing the 17-year-old King.


San Diego County Sheriff Bill Gore told a new conference he has notified the family it was a "strong likelihood" the body was that of the missing teenager.



The body was found early this afternoon by searchers looking for the Poway High School senior.


Original Story

San Diego, CA - The suspect in the possible murder and rape of a 17-year-old San Diego County girl has been confirmed to be a 1997 graduate of Rim of the World High School.


(Photo by Department of Justice.)
John Albert Gardner III, now 30, was a resident of the Running Springs area while attending Rim High, according to a school source who spoke on the condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to speak on behalf of the district.


Gardner, is suspected of abducting 17-year-old Chelsea King on February 25 while she was running near Lake Hodges at Rancho Bernardo Community Park. Her automobile, a BMW, was located with her cell phone and iPod still inside the vehicle.


Poway High School senior Chelsea King disappeared Thursday, February 25, while apparently running on the south shore of Lake Hodges at Rancho Bernardo Community Park. (Photo by Family Photo.)
Search teams continue looking for the Poway High School senior in and around Lake Hodges.


In 1998, Gardner was convicted of disturbing the peace in Twin Peaks Superior Court related to what was described as a disruptive presence at a school, according to court and police records obtained by RIMOFTHEWORLD.net. He was listed as a Running Springs resident at the time of that conviction.


San Diego County Sheriff William Gore, who appeared on ABC's Good Morning America with the missing girl's parents, explained Gardner was linked to King's disappearance by a piece of physical evidence uncovered by investigators.


Gardner, a registered sex offender who served five years in prison for lewd or lascivious acts with a 13-year-old girl in 2000, is being held at the San Diego Central Jail in San Diego. His current Megan's Law registration show he is a resident of Lake Elsinore and he renewed his registration in November 2009, according to authorities.


Deputies arrested Gardner at a Del Dios restaurant — Hernandez Hide-A-Way — located on the west shore of Lake Hodges on Sunday, February 28.


Since the investigation began, Gardner has also been linked to a December 27 assault of a 22-year-old female jogger in the same park and have taken a new look at the case from last year involving the disappearance of Escondido teenager, Amber Dubois.



Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: klaasend on March 03, 2010, 12:41:07 AM
At the vigil ::MonkeyTears:: ::MonkeyTears::



Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: sebastian on March 03, 2010, 12:44:33 AM
From: GigiPSent: Tuesday, March 2, 2010 04:51 PMHe went to Rim, and was probably part of that group that duct taped high school girls and raped them at parties in the forest. If it had been dealt with then, this may not have happened. He is the same age as my sister, and they grabbed her and she heard someone say to duct tape her mouth before she screamed, so she screamed. That saved her but not other girls of this age group at Rim. Sorry, but that is why this is coming out. Prayers to the families.

This is from a poster up in Lake Arrowhead. Another poster said that he was just up there two years ago. You can read all comments at rimoftheworld.net


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Tracygirl on March 03, 2010, 12:46:34 AM
Well.  I get to sit here and wait for my son to come home - he plays French Horn at Poway High too.

Kind of hard to explain this to a 16 year old kid.

Adam I am so sorry. I know what that talk is like. I live in Tracy California and just under a year ago a little angel named Sandra Cantu was kidnapped. We all searched for her, we all prayed for her. My children helped in the search by passing out flyers. When they found her it was one of the hardest talks I had to have with my children, somehow I got through it and some how I am sure you did as well. There is no easy way to explain to our children that monsters ARE real. Please accept my prayers and support for your son and for your community as you work your way through your grief.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Tracygirl on March 03, 2010, 01:22:41 AM
http://www.10news.com/news/22723155/detail.html

Dubois Family Watched Gardner After Girl's Disappearance
Family Of Amber Dubois Says John Gardner Was On List Of Sex Offenders They Observed


POSTED: 7:17 pm PST March 2, 2010
UPDATED: 8:00 pm PST March 2, 2010
ESCONDIDO, Calif. -- The man suspected of in the death of Chelsea King was being watched more than a year ago by the family of missing teenager Amber Dubois.

On Tuesday, 10News spoke with Amber's mother, Carrie McGonigle. She said her family asked investigators with the Escondido Police Department to check out 174 registered sex offenders living within the area of Escondido High School where Amber, who was 14 years old at the time, was last seen February 13, 2009.

McGonigle said she was angry when she heard about John Gardner's arrest, "'Cause I asked numerous times for Escondido PD to check out every single one."

Family friend Linda Walkup said Chelsea King could have been saved if investigators checked in on people like Gardner.

"Had he been looked at from the beginning maybe, possibly, we could have stopped what's going on with Chelsea right now," said Walkup.

Instead, Amber's family and friends began their own investigation. They located the homes of 147 known registered sex offenders in Escondido, San Marcos, Poway and Rancho Bernardo. They drove by their homes and even staked out some of those homes. One of the stakeouts was almost a year ago, outside an Escondido apartment belonging to Gardner at the time.

Family friend Vinnie Spucces showed 10News reporter Joe Little the notes they'd taken on March 28, 2009, about Gardner. They couldn't believe it when he was arrested.

"My wife dropped to the ground and says, ‘We were there. We got his picture,'" said Spucces, "We were shocked."

The family told 10News they were holding out hope that Chelsea and Amber would be found together, alive.

Spucces told 10News by phone Tuesday's discovery of what appears to be Chelsea's body is a blow to the King family and their own search for Amber.
Great job Carrie you go and tell the world about what happened. You shout from the roof tops if you have to until Amber is found and brought home. One year ago le didn't do enough, this year they need to do all they can do for Amber. 


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Tracygirl on March 03, 2010, 01:27:51 AM
From: GigiPSent: Tuesday, March 2, 2010 04:51 PMHe went to Rim, and was probably part of that group that duct taped high school girls and raped them at parties in the forest. If it had been dealt with then, this may not have happened. He is the same age as my sister, and they grabbed her and she heard someone say to duct tape her mouth before she screamed, so she screamed. That saved her but not other girls of this age group at Rim. Sorry, but that is why this is coming out. Prayers to the families.

This is from a poster up in Lake Arrowhead. Another poster said that he was just up there two years ago. You can read all comments at rimoftheworld.net

Oh gosh I remember Running springs. Something happened there back in the 1990's, what was it, does any so californian recall?


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: IBE on March 03, 2010, 03:44:25 AM
Off the top of my head


Someone missing or murdered, a dam broke or a flood? Will try to find info.

This guys mom lived a tad from where the body was found. How many others are in that area?


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: IBE on March 03, 2010, 03:55:52 AM
http://www.pe.com/localnews/rivcounty/stories/PE_News_Local_S_cori28.48572b2.html

This case made the news for some time.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: trimmonthelake on March 03, 2010, 06:27:38 AM
http://cnmnewsnetwork.com/11583/chelsea-king-body-found-authorities-believe-body-belongs-to-missing-poway-teen/
National News by Linda Evans
Chelsea King Body Found? Authorities Believe Body Belongs to Missing Poway Teen

March 3rd, 2010
Chelsea King Body Found? Authorities Believe Body Belongs to Missing Poway Teen.  The 17 year old cross country runner, symphony member, and honor student Chelsea King is believed to have been found.  Authorities found a body in a body of water near the area that King went missing.  The remains that they found were found inside a shallow grave. They think they have found the girl they have been looking for since late Thursday when she went for a run after school.

King’s parents grew worried when their daughter wasn’t home by dark.  The authorities found her cell phone and iPod inside her BMW sedan, but no sign of Chelsea.

There has been an arrest in the Chelsea King case.  John Albert Gardner III is believed to be connected to her disappearance.  He’s also believed to be connected to the case of Amber DuBois, a 14 year old Californian that went missing around this time last year.   In addition, an attack on a woman on the same trail where King was last seen is believed to be connected to the suspect as well.

Gardner is a registered sex offender, and was sentenced to 6 years behind bars for lewd and lascivious acts on a minor.

Authorities expect a positive identification on the body found by sometime Wednesday.  Of course, there’s still a sliver of hope that the body doesn’t belong to King and that she will be found.  Unfortunately, that doesn’t look like that will be the case.

Source:

NBC San Diego


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: trimmonthelake on March 03, 2010, 07:11:42 AM
http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=9995079

Mourning Begins for SoCal Teen After Body Is Found
Mourning begins for Calif teen as body is found in shallow grave on lake shore
By ELLIOT SPAGAT Associated Press Writer
SAN DIEGO March 3, 2010 (AP)
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In this undated family photo released by the King family shows Chelsea King, the missing 17-year-old teen from Poway a suburb of San Diego. The parents of a 17-year-old girl who failed to come home after a run in the park are pleading for people to come forward with information. (AP Photo/King Family Photo) NO SALES Collapse
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Thousands of mourners walked the sidewalks of a wide avenue in silence, holding candles and tearfully embracing.
Many were at a loss for words over the discovery of a body believed to be that of 17-year-old Chelsea King, five days after the popular, straight-A student from San Diego County disappeared and two days after a registered sex offender was booked on suspicion of rape and murder.

Severe shock and denial among King's classmates is giving way to anger and hurt, Traci Barkerball, King's teacher for three years at Poway High School, said Tuesday night.

"What bothers me most is the kids don't feel safe anymore," Barkerball said between hugs for grieving students. "Their sense of security has been taken away from them."

Brent King, Chelsea's father, thanked supporters on the lawn of St. Michael's Church in Poway, northeast of San Diego. Some in the audience fought to control their sobs as he spoke.

"One of the nicknames that I've always called my daughter is my Angel. She's my angel forever," he said.
"I want to thank you. Chelsea wants to thank you," he said.

When someone shouted, "We love you," Brent King responded, "We love all of you."

The body was found buried in a shallow grave on the south shore of Lake Hodges, said San Diego County Sheriff William Gore. The body has not been positively identified but Gore said there was a "strong likelihood" it was Chelsea's.

John Albert Gardner III, 30, was scheduled to be arraigned Wednesday in San Diego.

The Lake Elsinore man pleaded guilty in May 2000 to molesting a 13-year-old female neighbor and served five years of a six-year prison term. Prosecutors said he lured the victim to his home with an offer to watch "Patch Adams," a 1998 movie starring Robin Williams.

The girl was beaten before escaping and running to a neighbor.

Gardner "never expressed one scintilla of remorse for his attack upon the victim" despite overwhelming evidence, prosecutors wrote in a sentencing memo.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 03, 2010, 09:38:10 AM
From: GigiPSent: Tuesday, March 2, 2010 04:51 PMHe went to Rim, and was probably part of that group that duct taped high school girls and raped them at parties in the forest. If it had been dealt with then, this may not have happened. He is the same age as my sister, and they grabbed her and she heard someone say to duct tape her mouth before she screamed, so she screamed. That saved her but not other girls of this age group at Rim. Sorry, but that is why this is coming out. Prayers to the families.

This is from a poster up in Lake Arrowhead. Another poster said that he was just up there two years ago. You can read all comments at rimoftheworld.net
   ::MonkeyNoNo:: And thank-you to everyone for the updates, and sebastian thanks for the info that you provided, about putting in laws only to be deemed unconstitutional, I'm livid about Jessica's Law in this state, that was the only reason I voted that time was for that proposition.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: MuffyBee on March 03, 2010, 09:59:56 AM
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/TheLaw/chelsea-king-murder-police-combing-grave-clues/story?id=9995419
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Chelsea King Killing: Police Comb Grave for Clues
Former FBI Profiler Says This Was 'Probably a Blitz Attack' on San Diego Teen
By MIKE VON FREMD, SARAH NETTER and RUSSELL GOLDMAN
Wednesday, March 3, 2010
Investigators were searching the shallow grave where the body of San Diego high school student Chelsea King was found Tuesday, trying to gather every bit of evidence that will help put away the sex offender they say killed her.
King's devastated parents attended a vigil Tuesday night in their daughter's honor to thank the tight-knit community that has spent nearly a week trying to bring her home.

"One of the nicknames I always used to call my daughter is my angel, and she'll be my angel forever," Brent King said.  ::MonkeyAngel::

King's body was found about 10 feet from the shore of Lake Hodges, a half mile from where she parked her car to go jogging in the park last week.
The discovery, San Diego County Sheriff Bill Gore said, "was made by one of the searchers. Looking from the water up the shoreline [the searcher] spotted something that looked suspicious, and investigated and ... by moving some small debris ... found Chelsea's body."

Her body was found six days after King went missing Feb. 25 and two days after police arrested John Albert Gardner III, a convicted sex offender whose DNA they said was found on King's clothing near where police believe she was abducted.
Gardner, 30, is being held on suspicion of rape and first-degree murder and is scheduled to be charged today in a San Diego court. Prosecutors may include special allegations that would make Gardner eligible for the death penalty.

Former FBI agent and ABC News consultant Brad Garrett said the location of the body likely means King was attacked shortly after she started her jog.

""This was probably a blitz attack. where he sees her jogging and attacks her," he said, adding that it's not uncommon for murderers to leave their victims near the site of the crime.

Chelsea King's Alleged Killer Linked to Earlier Attack

Police said Gardner, who was arrested in 2000 for committing lewd and lascivious acts on a child under 14, may also be connected to the disappearance of Amber DuBois, a 14-year-old who disappeared near San Diego on her way to school in February 2009.

DuBois' grandmother, Sheila Welch, is demanding a crackdown on known sex offenders.

"It makes me want to throw up. How many times are we going to continue to let this happen?" she asked. "Whose child is it going to be next?"

Garrett said that although police have said Gardner is not cooperating with investigators, authorities from the region should be pulling "every assault case, every missing child that fits Mr. Gardner's MO."

"What's going to drive him is, 'What's in this for me?'" Garrett said. "At some point the death penalty might be placed off the table if he can tell them about other situations."

Authorities Monday also linked Gardner to an attack on 23-year-old Candice Moncayo, who identified Gardner from a mug shot as the man who attacked her weeks before along the same running path where King disappeared.

Moncayo was able to fend off her attacker by elbowing him in the face and running away.
"Candice was reached by police to see if the man matched up with the man who attacked Chelsea King," Moncayo's sister, Kayla Moncayo, told ABC News today. "She looked at the pictures and told police, 'He's the same guy.'"

Moncayo's sister said she hoped the information police learned could help them convict Gardner.

"When we heard about Chelsea King, immediately my family was concerned that it was the same man," said Kayla Moncayo. "We pray that Candice can provide helpful information and Chelsea will be found."
Kayla Moncayo,  the opinion editor for the Silver Spur, the Rancho Bernardo High School newspaper, wrote about her sister's attack shortly after it took place. The story ran last Friday, one day after King disappeared.

Candice Moncayo was running on the trail when she "was tackled and thrown to the side of the running trail, caught off guard and without warning," her sister wrote.

"I thought he was going to rape me," Moncayo said of the overweight man who tackled her. "So I told him he would have to kill me first."

"He picked her up by the shoulders and began shaking her relentlessly," she wrote.

Moncayo fought her attacker, elbowing hard him in the nose. The shot made her assailant pause, allowing her to get out of his grasp and run away.

"All that was left of the ... attacker were the bruises he left on her and the DNA the police were able to swab from her elbow," according to the article.

"She is shaken up, but she's a strong girl," Kayla told ABC News today. "She has the joy of the lord on her."


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: SunnyinTX on March 03, 2010, 10:05:06 AM
At the vigil ::MonkeyTears:: ::MonkeyTears::

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Good Morning Monks. Klaas thanks for the video even though it tore at my emotions.  and thanks to all for the night updates and posts..............


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Lovinlife on March 03, 2010, 10:23:17 AM
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::MonkeyAngel:: RIP Chelsea   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Anna on March 03, 2010, 10:34:29 AM
From: GigiPSent: Tuesday, March 2, 2010 04:51 PMHe went to Rim, and was probably part of that group that duct taped high school girls and raped them at parties in the forest. If it had been dealt with then, this may not have happened. He is the same age as my sister, and they grabbed her and she heard someone say to duct tape her mouth before she screamed, so she screamed. That saved her but not other girls of this age group at Rim. Sorry, but that is why this is coming out. Prayers to the families.

This is from a poster up in Lake Arrowhead. Another poster said that he was just up there two years ago. You can read all comments at rimoftheworld.net


What is this?  Is this story true?  Does anyone know?  What was done about this at the time it happened?

I don't understand the world any more.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Lovinlife on March 03, 2010, 10:38:34 AM
Last night's NG transcripts.  Nothing more than we already know but a good summary of events:

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1003/02/ng.01.html


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Northern Rose on March 03, 2010, 10:54:40 AM
'Move out' painted on King suspect's parents' home

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Police on Wednesday were investigating graffiti left at the Rancho Bernardo home of the mother and stepfather of the man arrested in connection with the disappearance of Chelsea King.

The phrase “Chelseas blood is on you move out,” was discovered spray-painted on the garage door of the townhome on Matinal Road about 5:39 a.m., police Sgt. Ray Battrick said.

John Albert Gardner III, 30, is scheduled to be arraigned Wednesday afternoon. His mother and stepfather live in the townhouse, which is near the park where a body presumed to be Chelsea’s was found in a shallow grave Tuesday afternoon.

Gardner was arrested Sunday on suspicion of rape and murder in Chelsea’s disappearance.

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/mar/03/threat-painted-king-suspects-parents-home/


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Northern Rose on March 03, 2010, 10:55:37 AM
Arraignment Today For Suspect In Missing California Teen

(San Diego, CA) -- Registered sex offender John Albert Gardner the Third is scheduled to be arraigned today after his arrest in connection with the disappearance of 17-year-old Chelsea King of San Diego.
A body believed to be that of King was found Tuesday near the southern shore of Lake Hodges.
King, formerly of Naperville, vanished last Thursday after going for an after school run at Rancho Bernardo Community Park north of San Diego.
Police say they have informed King's family of the discovery and add they're working to positively identify the body.

http://illinoishomepage.net/content/fulltext/?cid=135962


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Northern Rose on March 03, 2010, 10:56:23 AM
Chelsea King’s Case Raises Doubts About Megan’s Law

SAN DIEGO — The suspect in the death of Poway teenager Chelsea King is due in a San Diego courtroom this afternoon. John Gardner is in police custody on suspicion of murder and rape in the King case. Gardner is a registered sex offender. King's death has left some parents frustrated over whether Megan's Law is really working.

Maggie Koyamatsu of Poway lives one block away from her children's school. She says Chelsea King's murder has made her think twice about letting her kids walk home alone.

"Cause you just don't know who's visiting your neighbor. I think the message I took you know is there's sex offender laws and they don't do any good."

One of those laws is Megan's Law. It requires sex offenders to register with authorities when they're released from prison. They must also alert police if they move.

But legal experts say the case of John Gardner -- the suspect in King's murder - is "exhibit A" in the limitations of Megan's Law. The Megan's Law website lists Gardner as living in Lake Elsinore in Riverside County. But he has also spent time at his parents' home in Rancho Bernardo, near the park where King was found dead. And Gardner registered as a sex offender at an Escondido address in November of last year.

"The registered sex offenders -- even though they have an address in one city, they're free to move from city to city as anybody else is," said San Diego Assistant Police Chief Boyd Long. "So the sex offender who may be in your neighborhood may not be in your neighborhood, they may be in somebody else's neighborhood. And those people just don't know that."

And that is a reality, says former San Diego District Attorney Paul Pfingst.

"Whatever precautions are taken to protect a community from sexual predators, they can never be full proof unless we do not have a free society. In a dictatorial, totalitarian state we can tell people who have done their sentence and are back in the community what they can and cannot do. In a democratic society if you're not accused, and not under a sentence and not under the jurisdiction of a court, you are free to travel in the United States."

Local criminal defense Attorney Bob Grimes says the erratic nature of human behavior will also render even the most well-crafted law imperfect.

"A lot of these crimes we just can't predict them. There are 60,000 registered sex offenders in California and probably a relatively small proportion of them are going to commit a crime of a really serious violent nature. But we can't predict which ones or how they're going to occur. So Megan's Law is really limited from protecting us from this kind of thing.

Still, few aside from civil libertarians are ready to scrap Megan's Law. Assistant Police Chief Long say the public identification of sex offenders and the ability to share that information is crucial in monitoring the felons.

"Instead of law enforcement being solely responsible for this person's conduct or watching this person. We ask the community to help by having all eyes on that person to hopefully prevent them from committing another crime."

Former DA Pfingst says there's also a powerful psychological benefit to Megan's Law.

"The biggest impact of Megan's Law is to tell sexual predators and make them somewhat paranoid about the fact that if they walk down the street or in the community that people are watching them. If they show up at a park that people will talk about them. That I think has driven down crime."

Pfingst says he shares people's anguish over Chelsea King's death and their disappointment with laws designed to deter sex crimes.

"This case represents the frustration not only of Megan's Law and sexual predators. What it represents is the fact that a 17-year-old beautiful young woman was taken from us unfairly and we're angry about it and we have a right to be angry about it."

Pfingst says no law can stop 100 percent of criminals 100 percent of the time.

http://www.kpbs.org/news/2010/mar/03/chelsea-kings-case-raises-doubts-about-megans-law/


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Cappuccino on March 03, 2010, 11:01:32 AM
The vigil last night was wrenching & a ton came out to show the family support - bottom line this should have never happened!  Ive just about an overflow fill of twisted sympathizers for the worse of our society as opposed to helping protect our innocents.   I often wonder what the reaction would be from these over-the-top liberal ignoramaces if one of their loved ones fell victim to such a heinous act.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Northern Rose on March 03, 2010, 11:04:21 AM
Suspect in Chelsea King Case Due in Court (video)

POWAY, Calif. -- John Albert Gardner, the man arrested in the disappearance of 17-year-old Chelsea King, is due in a San Diego courtroom Wednesday.

Gardner, a registered sex offender, is set to be arraigned in the case. He is accused of murder and rape and is being held without bail.

Sheriff's officials believe the body found near Lake Hodges Tuesday afternoon is that of the missing high school athlete, although forensic tests will be conducted to confirm the identity.

Sheriff William Gore says the body was located in a shallow grave about 10 feet from the shoreline and about a half a mile from the parking lot.

"While the body has not been positively identified, there is a strong likelihood that we have found Chelsea," he told reporters.

Hours after the grim discovery, thousands turned out for a candlelight vigil for Chelsea.

Chelsea's parents, Brent and Kelly King, were joined by mourners -- many of them strangers -- to remember the teen's short life outside St. Michael's Catholic ChurchTuesday night.

Brent King spoke briefly, thanking everyone for their efforts to find his daughter.

"One of the nicknames that I've always called my daughter is my Angel. She's my angel forever," he said.

"I want to thank you. Chelsea wants to thank you," he said.

When someone shouted, "We love you," Brent King responded, "We love all of you."

The discovery brought to an end six days of searching by hundreds of volunteers and law enforcement personnel over fields, swamps and marshes around Lake Hodges.

King, 17, vanished after she went for a run last Thursday in San Diego's Rancho Bernardo Community Park.

DNA on a piece of King's clothing found near the lake led to the arrest Sunday of registered sex offender John Albert Gardner III, according to law enforcement sources. Police say Gardner refused to cooperate with authorities.

He was arrested around 4:20 p.m. Sunday in front of a Mexican restaurant and bar called "Hernandez Hide-A-Way" in the small community of Del Dios, on the west shore of Lake Hodges, near Escondido.

Gardner, who lists his residence as Lake Elsinore, frequently visits his mother's home in Rancho Bernardo.

Police also suspect Gardener in an assault on a jogger in December in the same park.

The 22-year-old Colorado woman managed to fend off her attacker on Dec. 27 in Rancho Bernardo Community Park on the northern edge of San Diego, police Capt. Jim Collins said.

Candice Moncayo, a graduate student in Colorado Springs, was shown a mug shot of Gardner and confirmed it was the same man who attacked her in February, according to her sister.
Collins, however, said a swab taken from the elbow of the Colorado woman did not match Gardner's DNA.

MORE....

http://www.ktla.com/news/landing/ktla-poway-missing,0,5645458.story?page=1


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Missiontoconvict on March 03, 2010, 11:05:42 AM
'Move out' painted on King suspect's parents' home

(http://media.signonsandiego.com/img/photos/2010/03/03/chelseablood__t352.jpg?980751187beea6fc26a3a9e93795d379f58af1c4)

Police on Wednesday were investigating graffiti left at the Rancho Bernardo home of the mother and stepfather of the man arrested in connection with the disappearance of Chelsea King.

The phrase “Chelseas blood is on you move out,” was discovered spray-painted on the garage door of the townhome on Matinal Road about 5:39 a.m., police Sgt. Ray Battrick said.

John Albert Gardner III, 30, is scheduled to be arraigned Wednesday afternoon. His mother and stepfather live in the townhouse, which is near the park where a body presumed to be Chelsea’s was found in a shallow grave Tuesday afternoon.

Gardner was arrested Sunday on suspicion of rape and murder in Chelsea’s disappearance.

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/mar/03/threat-painted-king-suspects-parents-home/
Like Susan Moss said last night on NG "Where is the outrage?"  Although she meant otherwise that is a prime example of what is to come - I hate to say it but if they aren't going to change the laws then the law is going to need to be prepared for this kind of response and activity - people are going to start taking matters into their own hands.  I sent emails to everyone in my State legislature last night - this needs to be addressed, our kids lives depend on it.  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 03, 2010, 11:12:47 AM

Candice Moncayo, a graduate student in Colorado Springs, was shown a mug shot of Gardner and confirmed it was the same man who attacked her in February, according to her sister.
Collins, however, said a swab taken from the elbow of the Colorado woman did not match Gardner's DNA.   ::MonkeyEek:: Now that is interesting


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Edward on March 03, 2010, 11:29:17 AM
From: GigiPSent: Tuesday, March 2, 2010 04:51 PMHe went to Rim, and was probably part of that group that duct taped high school girls and raped them at parties in the forest. If it had been dealt with then, this may not have happened. He is the same age as my sister, and they grabbed her and she heard someone say to duct tape her mouth before she screamed, so she screamed. That saved her but not other girls of this age group at Rim. Sorry, but that is why this is coming out. Prayers to the families.

This is from a poster up in Lake Arrowhead. Another poster said that he was just up there two years ago. You can read all comments at rimoftheworld.net

Oh gosh I remember Running springs. Something happened there back in the 1990's, what was it, does any so californian recall?


running springs is where the body of the victim from redondo beach abduction of the bartender woman was found ..
That culprit is supposedly in jail and on trial.

It is also a spot I suggested searching for Amber Dubois in her thread.. We have talked about running springs road before..
It is also on the backside of san bernadino where the little boy got kidnapped from by F.B.I. known and identified suspects that we have photos of..



Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Edward on March 03, 2010, 11:37:05 AM
Here is a quick map location of running springs..

It never made sense that in the bartenders murder that the suspect drove a long long way to drop off her body on a deselent road like running springs.. like they have the wrong guy..
The what if's are eating at me today.

 


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Edward on March 03, 2010, 11:37:33 AM
http://maps.google.com/maps?sourceid=navclient&rlz=1T4TSHB_enUS311US311&q=running+springs+california&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hq=&hnear=Running+Springs,+CA&gl=us&ei=lI2OS627GoOVtgff_YWHCw&sa=X&oi=geocode_result&ct=image&resnum=1&ved=0CA0Q8gEwAA


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: sebastian on March 03, 2010, 11:43:36 AM
From: GigiPSent: Tuesday, March 2, 2010 04:51 PMHe went to Rim, and was probably part of that group that duct taped high school girls and raped them at parties in the forest. If it had been dealt with then, this may not have happened. He is the same age as my sister, and they grabbed her and she heard someone say to duct tape her mouth before she screamed, so she screamed. That saved her but not other girls of this age group at Rim. Sorry, but that is why this is coming out. Prayers to the families.

This is from a poster up in Lake Arrowhead. Another poster said that he was just up there two years ago. You can read all comments at rimoftheworld.net

Oh gosh I remember Running springs. Something happened there back in the 1990's, what was it, does any so californian recall?

I think another search needs to be done near the high school for Amber as well as near his old residence in Running Springs.


running springs is where the body of the victim from redondo beach abduction of the bartender woman was found ..
That culprit is supposedly in jail and on trial.

It is also a spot I suggested searching for Amber Dubois in her thread.. We have talked about running springs road before..
It is also on the backside of san bernadino where the little boy got kidnapped from by F.B.I. known and identified suspects that we have photos of..




Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: sebastian on March 03, 2010, 11:56:17 AM
Candice Moncayo, a graduate student in Colorado Springs, was shown a mug shot of Gardner and confirmed it was the same man who attacked her in February, according to her sister.
Collins, however, said a swab taken from the elbow of the Colorado woman did not match Gardner's DNA.

So.....she identified him, but his DNA did not match? I am having a really hard time swallowing that. I could have sworn that I heard that it was a match.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Northern Rose on March 03, 2010, 11:57:13 AM
Former Resident May Face Death Penalty (Update2)

Wednesday, March 3, 2010

Update 2 - Wednesday 4:05 a.m.

San Diego, CA - John Albert Gardner III - a former mountain resident - will appear in court today possibly facing the death penalty following the discovery of a body believed to be 17-year-old Chelsea King.


Gardner is set for arraignment on rape and murder charges at 2:30 p.m. in San Diego Superior Court. He has been held in solitary confinement without bail in the Central Jail in Downtown San Diego since his arrest after evidence linked him to the teenager's disappearance.

On March 2, a body believed to be that of the young Poway High School senior, was discovered in a shallow grave on the banks of Lake Hodges in Escondido.

Update - Tuesday 4:15 p.m.

Escondido, CA - A body has been located in a shallow grave near Lake Hodges and is believed to be that of Chelsea King.


Rim High graduate John Albert Gardner III is suspected of raping and killing the 17-year-old King.


San Diego County Sheriff Bill Gore told a new conference he has notified the family it was a "strong likelihood" the body was that of the missing teenager.


The body was found early this afternoon by searchers looking for the Poway High School senior.


Original Story

San Diego, CA - The suspect in the possible murder and rape of a 17-year-old San Diego County girl has been confirmed to be a 1997 graduate of Rim of the World High School.


John Albert Gardner III, now 30, was a resident of the Running Springs area while attending Rim High, according to a school source who spoke on the condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to speak on behalf of the district.


Gardner, is suspected of abducting 17-year-old Chelsea King on February 25 while she was running near Lake Hodges at Rancho Bernardo Community Park. Her automobile, a BMW, was located with her cell phone and iPod still inside the vehicle.

Search teams continue looking for the Poway High School senior in and around Lake Hodges.


In 1998, Gardner was convicted of disturbing the peace in Twin Peaks Superior Court related to what was described as a disruptive presence at a school, according to court and police records obtained by RIMOFTHEWORLD.net. He was listed as a Running Springs resident at the time of that conviction.

San Diego County Sheriff William Gore, who appeared on ABC's Good Morning America with the missing girl's parents, explained Gardner was linked to King's disappearance by a piece of physical evidence uncovered by investigators.


Gardner, a registered sex offender who served five years in prison for lewd or lascivious acts with a 13-year-old girl in 2000, is being held at the San Diego Central Jail in San Diego. His current Megan's Law registration show he is a resident of Lake Elsinore and he renewed his registration in November 2009, according to authorities.


Deputies arrested Gardner at a Del Dios restaurant — Hernandez Hide-A-Way — located on the west shore of Lake Hodges on Sunday, February 28.


Since the investigation began, Gardner has also been linked to a December 27 assault of a 22-year-old female jogger in the same park and have taken a new look at the case from last year involving the disappearance of Escondido teenager, Amber Dubois.

http://rimoftheworld.net/4893


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: crazybabyborg on March 03, 2010, 12:00:11 PM
Hi Monkeys!

Does anyone have any idea what a "disruptive presence" at a school means?


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Northern Rose on March 03, 2010, 12:01:38 PM
Interesting comments on article

From: BillFreugSent: Tuesday, March 2, 2010 08:33 PM
Perhaps Rim and Running Springs ought to change their names ala Wineville that changed its name to Mira Loma after the Chicken coop murders in the 1930s.

From: herbladySent: Wednesday, March 3, 2010 08:00 AM
He was/is QUITE charming when he wants to be, to get what he wants.

From: herbladySent: Tuesday, March 2, 2010 01:10 PM
There are some up here who know him.

Some of his 'stuff' started up here as long ago as 1997.
The police need more info, that's all.

From: herbladySent: Tuesday, March 2, 2010 01:29 PM
He was up here 2 years ago, against his parole.

http://rimoftheworld.net/discuss/208/62641?page=0


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Northern Rose on March 03, 2010, 12:02:34 PM
Hi Monkeys!

Does anyone have any idea what a "disruptive presence" at a school means?

He graduated in 1997 so why he was at school is 1998 is a head scratcher as well. 


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 03, 2010, 12:03:41 PM
  http://www.10news.com/video/22718463/index.html        Interesting video.        I usually never approve of someone defacing a person's property, but for some reason, my outrage for what was written on this monster's mom's garage, doesn't bother me.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 03, 2010, 12:08:57 PM
Hi Monkeys!

Does anyone have any idea what a "disruptive presence" at a school means?

He graduated in 1997 so why he was at school is 1998 is a head scratcher as well. 
Checking out the girls.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: crazybabyborg on March 03, 2010, 12:10:36 PM
Hi Monkeys!

Does anyone have any idea what a "disruptive presence" at a school means?

He graduated in 1997 so why he was at school is 1998 is a head scratcher as well. 
Checking out the girls.

That was my first thought, too.    ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: sebastian on March 03, 2010, 12:11:02 PM
  http://www.10news.com/video/22718463/index.html        Interesting video.        I usually never approve of someone defacing a person's property, but for some reason, my outrage for what was written on this monster's mom's garage, doesn't bother me.

Being a local, I think they better move and fast. I have never seen so much outrage in San Diego county. As mad as I am, I do not want to see anything happen to his parents. One of them or both may be able to get this monster to talk! We need to be able to find any other victims that are out there!


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: crazybabyborg on March 03, 2010, 12:12:34 PM
Hi Monkeys!

Does anyone have any idea what a "disruptive presence" at a school means?

He graduated in 1997 so why he was at school is 1998 is a head scratcher as well. 
Checking out the girls.

That was my first thought, too.    ::MonkeyNoNo::

Sorry; should have added that it was related to disturbing the peace, so if he was checking out the girls, he must have been really obvious, loud, or lewd in doing so!


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 03, 2010, 12:13:10 PM
Not sure if anyone saw this story that 10 News San Diego aired last night but apparently last fall..a couple in Escondido saw what they think was JAG watching girls running. This was in Jesmond Dene park on the north side of the city...only a few blocks from Amber Dubois high school. They reported to EPD..but is unknown what became of it.                 The video I posted is a couple of posts up.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 03, 2010, 12:15:08 PM
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Okay, I actually went to High School with John and was friends with some of the people he was friends with, and here's what I can tell you

He's a Rim of the World High School grad, class of '97. I've seen a few people leave comments about how they went to High School with him and that he was a "creep" then, but the fact of the matter is, he was seen as nice, charasmatic, and was VERY well liked. No one who knew him could believe the charges against him in 2000. He had people lined up to be character witnesses for him in court, but eventually admitted that he'd done it. We were all SHOCKED when we heard what a monster he truly was. It just goes to show that you don't truly know anyone.


From what I know of his former girlfriends (one of which he has twin boys with) they were both very small and petite-- just like the girls he's been attacking.

As for the twins, this shouldn't be seen as a huge thing, as from what I understand he's had no contact with them for quite some time. And she did know about his past, but this person is pretty much the sweetest, kindest most optimistic person in the world, and if there was anyone who could still see "good" in someone like him, it was her. Please don't judge her. She also knew him before the incident in 2000, and, like I said, if you knew John then, you didn't just know him as the child killer he is now. She just chose to believe in the facade, not his true self.

As for the 'roid rage theory, I doubt it. He seems to have fluxuated in neck size, but I think that has more to do with the pictures than him. He'd always been a beefy guy in the neck area... he's kind of built like a football player. He also doesn't really look like the guy in the Walmart video and it's kind of too young for his M.O. but I guess it's possible.

All I can say is that there is one saving grace in this tragedy, and that is that he left evidence behind and that he'll never be able to do this again. I cried when I heard they found Chelsea's body. Hopefully this case will change the way sexual preditors are processed in the system.  (From WS)


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: crazybabyborg on March 03, 2010, 12:15:27 PM
Not sure if anyone saw this story that 10 News San Diego aired last night but apparently last fall..a couple in Escondido saw what they think was JAG watching girls running. This was in Jesmond Dene park on the north side of the city...only a few blocks from Amber Dubois high school. They reported to EPD..but is unknown what became of it.                 The video I posted is a couple of posts up.

Thanks, NR! They just aired the same video on Fox. Thx for posting it.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 03, 2010, 12:16:37 PM
Not sure if anyone saw this story that 10 News San Diego aired last night but apparently last fall..a couple in Escondido saw what they think was JAG watching girls running. This was in Jesmond Dene park on the north side of the city...only a few blocks from Amber Dubois high school. They reported to EPD..but is unknown what became of it.                 The video I posted is a couple of posts up.

Thanks, NR! They just aired the same video on Fox. Thx for posting it.
Your welcome, and up above is a post from someone who went to school with this monster. I'm sure there will be more coming forward with their take on him.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: AmandaReckonwith on March 03, 2010, 12:20:13 PM
So far, this is all I can find about the knife, a pic from AP:

(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Chelsea%20King/zknifeandclothing.jpg)

Link: http://dailyherald.com/story/?id=363208&image=257597&prev=neg#


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 03, 2010, 12:29:05 PM
So far, this is all I can find about the knife, a pic from AP:

(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Chelsea%20King/zknifeandclothing.jpg)

Link: http://dailyherald.com/story/?id=363208&image=257597&prev=neg#
Thank-you


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Northern Rose on March 03, 2010, 12:32:34 PM
Sheriff's DNA Lab Advances Aid In King Case

The San Diego County Sheriff's Department's crime lab has come a long way in recent years, as evidenced by their work in the Chelsea King case.

http://www.10news.com/video/22722931/


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Northern Rose on March 03, 2010, 12:33:48 PM
Students at Poway High School reacted to the discovery of a body believed to Chelsea King.


http://www.10news.com/video/22723147/


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Northern Rose on March 03, 2010, 12:35:09 PM
Raw Video: Sheriff Discusses Body Discovery

http://www.10news.com/video/22722171/


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 03, 2010, 12:36:10 PM
  http://www.10news.com/video/22718463/index.html        Interesting video.        I usually never approve of someone defacing a person's property, but for some reason, my outrage for what was written on this monster's mom's garage, doesn't bother me.

Being a local, I think they better move and fast. I have never seen so much outrage in San Diego county. As mad as I am, I do not want to see anything happen to his parents. One of them or both may be able to get this monster to talk! We need to be able to find any other victims that are out there!
I agree, hopefully his mom can get him to talk, but I have to say I doubt it. I don't want anything to happen to his parents either, that would never be the answer  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Cappuccino on March 03, 2010, 12:38:30 PM
I heard on foxnews a bit ago that this monster's arraignment is scheduled for 2:30 ...is that confirmed via another source & is that pacific time or eastern


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 03, 2010, 12:39:03 PM
Thank-you for the videos.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 03, 2010, 12:39:48 PM
I heard on foxnews a bit ago that this monster's arraignment is scheduled for 2:30 ...is that confirmed via another source & is that pacific time or eastern
Pacific time, I thought it was for 1:30 they must have changed the time.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: klaasend on March 03, 2010, 12:40:11 PM
Hi Monkeys!

Does anyone have any idea what a "disruptive presence" at a school means?

He graduated in 1997 so he shouldn't have been hanging around at the school.  Not sure what he was doing but they didn't like it.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 03, 2010, 12:45:41 PM
The statement on the monster's parents home has been painted over already.

The neighbor across the street gave his opinion for a good five minutes that the whole neighborhood is being threatened because of the outrage over what has happened.

On Fox News Live Local News


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 03, 2010, 12:54:08 PM
Fox News reporting, about the monster's "mental health issues", saw that one coming  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Tracygirl on March 03, 2010, 12:58:55 PM
http://www.pe.com/localnews/rivcounty/stories/PE_News_Local_S_cori28.48572b2.html

This case made the news for some time.

This happened 2 days after Amber went missing..hmm


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Northern Rose on March 03, 2010, 01:00:41 PM
Rancho Bernardo girl knew suspect 10 years ago, mom says

Ten years ago, John Albert Gardner III went on long walks with a girl in their Rancho Bernardo neighborhood, put his jacket around her shoulders when she shivered, touched his lips to hers. He was nearly 21. She was 14.

It was her first kiss, but something she only told her parents about this week when Gardner was accused of raping and killing teenager Chelsea King down the street.

Linda Boltman, the mother of the now-23-year-old, agreed to an interview on the condition her daughter’s last name, which is different from hers, not be used.

“She’s devastated,” Boltman said yesterday. “How would you feel if your first kiss was with a predator?”

Gardner spent five years in prison for sexually assaulting one of Boltman’s daughter’s friends in 2000. After his release, he returned to their Rancho Bernardo neighborhood without Boltman or her daughter knowing it.

The daughter granted a brief interview to “Inside Edition,” on the condition her name not be used and her face not be shown, but she is not doing more, Boltman said.

Her daughter kept the extent of her relationship with Gardner to herself until Monday night, Boltman said. Ten years ago, she would say she was visiting a friend, then walk around with him at night.

Boltman, who described her daughter as a straight-A student set to graduate from college in May, said her daughter told her she had been flattered by Gardner’s attention.

The girl had braces and was tall for her age. She was surrounded by immature boys at school, and Gardner, then 6 feet 2 and 210 pounds, was anything but an awkward adolescent, her mother said.

He was clean-cut and could carry on a conversation, she said.

“He was the perfect gentleman,” Boltman said of her daughter’s description of that time.

“She just thought it was so cool that an older guy was interested in her and treated her like a lady and could talk to her,” she said. “All the important things to a girl that age.”

That year, on March 16, 2000, Boltman’s daughter accepted a ride to middle school from Gardner with her then-best friend. The other girl, 13, stayed in the car, returned to Gardner’s mother’s house and was later molested by him.

Gardner received six years in state prison for the incident. He served five and was released in September 2005. His last contact with city police, with whom he had to register as a sex offender, was in 2007, when he relocated to Lake Elsinore.

He also lived at an apartment complex in Escondido until six months ago, said a neighbor who would not give her name to protect her identity at work. Gardner lived there with a woman and two toddlers, and male and female teenagers would come over to play video games with him.

Boltman, 62, is upset that authorities never notified her daughter or anyone in her family about Gardner’s release. At the time of his release, there was no requirement to notify witnesses.

That changed in 2008, when voters approved a crime victims’ bill of rights act known as Marsy’s Law. It created a notification system for victims, witnesses and others who requested information on an inmate’s release, escape, death or criminal appeal.

Boltman, who lives a block from Gardner’s mother’s house on Matinal Road, is convinced that Gardner was more interested in her daughter than in the friend who was molested 10 years ago. She said she cannot imagine her daughter’s reaction if she had seen Gardner in the neighborhood after his release from prison.

Her voice breaking, Boltman explained how her daughter identified Gardner at a preliminary hearing in the case 10 years ago, and how difficult it was for the girl and the family.

“I’m very proud of my daughter,” Boltman said. “That was so unbelievably courageous of her, and I still continue to be in awe of her. She’s an amazing woman.”

She said her daughter mistrusted older men until she realized she “was letting (Gardner) control her life and she said, ‘I’m not going to let him do that.’ ”

Boltman said her daughter has tried to stay strong this week.

“She doesn’t want this to affect her life and career and all the things she’s doing now.”

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/mar/03/girl-knew-suspect-10-years-ago-mom-says/?imw=Y


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: klaasend on March 03, 2010, 01:01:17 PM
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/mar/03/suspect-in-chelsea-king-killing-to-appear-in-court/

Arraignment: John Albert Gardner III is scheduled to be arraigned today at 2:30 p.m. in San Diego Superior Court.

Charges: Gardner was arrested on suspicion of rape and murder in connection with 17-year-old Chelsea King’s disappearance. In filing charges today, prosecutors may include one or more special allegations that could make him eligible for the death penalty if convicted.

Defense attorney: Counsel will be appointed for Gardner unless he or his family retains a private attorney.

Jailed: Gardner is being held in solitary confinement at the Central Jail in downtown San Diego.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Northern Rose on March 03, 2010, 01:07:15 PM
Suspect in killing of Chelsea King to appear in court

The registered sex offender suspected in the rape and murder of Poway teenager Chelsea King is scheduled to appear in court Wednesday afternoon for a hearing that may force prosecutors to reveal what led to his arrest.

John Albert Gardner III, 30, of Lake Elsinore, could face charges that include one or more special allegations that would make him eligible for the death penalty.

The 2:30 p.m. court appearance will be the culmination of a weeklong ordeal that has gripped the nation and led more than 6,000 volunteers to look for Chelsea, a 17-year-old Poway High School student. She disappeared Thursday after going for a jog in the Rancho Bernardo Community Park.

Authorities discovered a body in a shallow grave Tuesday near Lake Hodges, about a half-mile from where Chelsea had parked her car. San Diego County Sheriff Bill Gore said there is a “strong likelihood” that it is Chelsea and that the body would be positively identified on Wednesday.

Police are also investigating a vandalism incident at the Rancho Bernardo home of Gardner’s mother and stepfather. Someone using red spray paint wrote “Chelseas blood is on you” and “move out” on the garage door of their townhouse on Matinal Road about 5:40 a.m., San Diego police Sgt. Ray Battrick said.

Brent King, Chelsea’s father, struggled to maintain his composure Tuesday night as he stood before thousands at a somber candlelight vigil, just hours after authorities told him they believed the body found near the lake was probably his daughter’s.

“One of the nicknames that I’ve always called my daughter is ‘my angel,’ ” Brent King told those who gathered at St. Michael Catholic Church in Poway. “She’s my angel forever.”

He added: “Keep her spirit alive for us.”

A man then yelled from the crowd, “We love you!”

King, with his wife, Kelly, by his side, replied: “We love you, too.”

Gore said investigators discovered the body shortly after 1 p.m. Tuesday about 10 feet from a tributary that leads to the lake — an area that had been searched extensively and is about a half-mile from a parking lot where Chelsea’s car was found six days ago. He said a shoe had been recovered previously in the general area.

The Medical Examiner’s Office confirmed that the body was removed from the area later Tuesday.

Gore said the girl’s parents were devastated when he informed them.

“They were holding out hope, as we all were, that we would find Chelsea alive, and this was our worst fear that we would find her as we did today,” he said.

Shortly after Gore’s announcement Tuesday, two Poway High students stood outside the school crying and hugging each other.

“I had so much hope for her,” said Leandra Lyons, 15, a sophomore. “I was just hoping by the end of the week we’d have some good news.”

Nicole Belanger, 16, a sophomore, said she was in shock.

“Just to hear that it’s one of our own people at our own school, it could have been any of us,” she said. “I’ve just got to take this as God had a plan for her and took her for some reason.”

Throughout the campus, students wore orange T-shirts, hair ribbons and yarn bracelets in honor of Chelsea. Some bracelets had sayings attached that were taken from quotes posted by Chelsea around her house. The color-coordinated tribute was organized by students via Facebook, MySpace and text messages forwarded among friends.

At the Chelsea King Search Center in Rancho Bernardo, the day’s events elicited similar emotions.

“It’s heartbreaking,” said Dawn Davis, senior case manager for the Laura Recovery Center, a Texas-based organization that helped coordinate the local search. “We all hoped and prayed that Chelsea would come home to her family.”

The center attracted about 1,500 people each day for the past four days, some from as far away as Oregon. They were sent out in teams of 20 to search ravines, orchards and other places in a 10-mile radius around Lake Hodges.

The investigation into Gardner widened in recent days as authorities linked him to a December assault and probed whether he had a role in last year’s disappearance of an Escondido teenager.

San Diego police Capt. Jim Collins said Gardner has been connected to a Dec. 27 attack on a female jogger in the same park, but it was not through DNA evidence. He declined to say how the link was made, but said they were working with police in Colorado Springs, Colo., where the jogger lives.

Over the weekend, the San Diego police crime lab had rushed to test a DNA swab taken from the elbow of the victim of the December attack. It did not have Gardner’s DNA, only the victim’s, Collins said.

The 22-year-old jogger told officers she had used her bare elbow to knock her assailant in the face, possibly breaking his nose.

“We thought we could get something good on that, but unfortunately not,” Collins said.

The DNA sample was not tested earlier because it was considered an attempted robbery, which is not as high on the crime lab’s priority list as other violent crimes, Collins said. As of December, the lab’s DNA unit was dealing with a backlog of about 500 cases.

Gardner is also under investigation for possible involvement in the case of Amber Dubois, a 14-year-old who disappeared while walking to Escondido High School on Feb. 13, 2009.

As recently as November 2009, Gardner registered as a sex offender at an Escondido address two miles from the school.

People living at the Rock Springs East condominiums said they were shocked to learn Gardner had lived in their building.

A woman with small children who lived next door to Gardner and recognized him from photos posted online over the past few days said he lived with a blond woman and two toddlers.


The former neighbor, who didn’t want to give her name, said teenagers, both male and female, often came over to play video games at Gardner’s apartment. She said she could hear the loud games through the walls.

She and other neighbors said Gardner had moved out about six months ago.


In 2000, Gardner was convicted of a forcible lewd act on a child and false imprisonment after he took a 13-year-old neighbor girl to his mother’s home in Rancho Bernardo. The girl accused him of repeatedly punching her in the face and touching her private parts.

A psychiatrist who interviewed him in that case said he would be a “continued danger to underage girls” because of the lack of remorse for his actions.

Prosecutors initially charged Gardner with more-violent sex crimes that could have resulted in a sentence of more than 30 years because the terms would have been served consecutively. He was sentenced to six years in prison as part of a plea agreement and served five years before he was released in September 2005. He completed probation in 2008.

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/mar/03/suspect-in-chelsea-king-killing-to-appear-in-court/


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: sebastian on March 03, 2010, 01:08:50 PM
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/mar/03/suspect-in-chelsea-king-killing-to-appear-in-court/

Arraignment: John Albert Gardner III is scheduled to be arraigned today at 2:30 p.m. in San Diego Superior Court.

Charges: Gardner was arrested on suspicion of rape and murder in connection with 17-year-old Chelsea King’s disappearance. In filing charges today, prosecutors may include one or more special allegations that could make him eligible for the death penalty if convicted.

Defense attorney: Counsel will be appointed for Gardner unless he or his family retains a private attorney.

Jailed: Gardner is being held in solitary confinement at the Central Jail in downtown San Diego.

These monsters are amazing! Defense attorney: Counsel will be appointed for Gardner unless he or his family retains a private attorney.

This is probably why he is in mental health. Obviously AS OF YET , his parents have not provided him with an Attorney. Good for them! He is probably squirming and acting suicidal in hopes that mommy helps him out in the legal department! I am hoping that they are holding the death penalty over his head in hopes that he will cough up some of his other victims. As much as I hate the thought that the tax payers would have to pay for this monster to live out the rest of his life in prison, I would be ok with it if he starts talking!


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Northern Rose on March 03, 2010, 01:11:26 PM
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Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 03, 2010, 01:12:35 PM
I hope they are holding the death penalty over his head also, only problem people like him probably don't care. I remember reading yesterday or the day before, how hard it was for his lawyer back in 2000 to convince him too accept the plea deal, so I'm thinking this guy is not going to say a thing.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 03, 2010, 01:14:20 PM
He also lived at an apartment complex in Escondido until six months ago, said a neighbor who would not give her name to protect her identity at work. Gardner lived there with a woman and two toddlers, and male and female teenagers would come over to play video games with him.   ::MonkeyNoNo::I believe those are his twins that he supposedly had with this woman.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Northern Rose on March 03, 2010, 01:33:39 PM
He blew through a red light in 2006. Wonder what his hurry was?

Case LL015123JG - Defendants

Seq  Defendant  Next Court Date  Status  Agency /
DR Number  Arrest Date  Count 1 Charge  Violation Date 
1   GARDNER III, JOHN ALBERT         LL   N/A   VC I21453(A)   12/12/2006   


Case LL015123JG Defendant 2510431 GARDNER III, JOHN ALBERT - Status

     Custody N/A
Filing Type Citation  Filing Date 12/20/2006
Ordered Bail $0.00  Posted Bail $0.00
D.A.  Defense 
Next Action:  Deputy Report #: LL-LL 

Warrant Type Status Issued Affidavit
    NONE  N/A  N/A 
Probation Type Granted Expiration
  N/A N/A N/A
Sentence Convicted Date County Jail CTS
  02/16/2007  Days  N/A 
  State Prison Max Sentence   
  N/A  N/A   
  Fine and Penalty Restitution Fine Restitution to Victim
  C  0  N/A 


Case LL015123JG Defendant 2510431 GARDNER III, JOHN ALBERT - Charges

Filed Charges
Count Charge Severity Description Violation Date Plea Status

1  VC I21453(A)  I  VEHICLE STOP ON RED SIGNAL  12/12/2006  GUILTY  CONVICTED 


Case LL015123JG Defendant 2510431 GARDNER III, JOHN ALBERT - Probation

Probation Has Not Been Granted On This Case For This Defendant.


Case LL015123JG Defendant 2510431 GARDNER III, JOHN ALBERT - Related Cases On Calendar

Related Cases On Calendar
This Defendant Does Not Have Any Other Cases With Future Hearings Scheduled.


Case LL015123JG Defendant 2510431 GARDNER III, JOHN ALBERT - Previously Disposed Cases

Case Number  Filed Date  Charges Next Hearing  Jurisdiction 
This Defendant Does Not Have Any Other Reportable Cases.


Case LL015123JG Defendant 2510431 GARDNER III, JOHN ALBERT - Actions and Minutes

Action Date Action Text Disposition Hearing Type
02/21/2007 DMV DIRECT UPDATE DISPOSITION ABSTRACT COMPLETED       
02/16/2007 DEFENDANT MADE A PAYMENT OF $296.00.       
02/16/2007 8:00 AM DEPT. S1A COURT TRIAL  DISPOSED  TRIAL 
  Minutes
  W CHARLES BRADLEY
 
CLERK MYRNA THOMAS
 
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Case LL015123JG Defendant 2510431 GARDNER III, JOHN ALBERT - Fine Information

       Date To Pay:  02/16/2007     First Payment:  02/16/2007 
Prior NSF:  N     Payment Amount:  $0.00     Last Payment:  02/16/2007 

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Total:  $296.00   $296.00   $0.00   


http://170.164.31.10/openaccess/CRIMINAL/criminalcasereport.asp?defendantcount=1&courtcode=X&casenumber=LL015123JG&defnbr=2510431&defseq=1&otnmseq=0&defendantcount=1&dsn=&casedefendants=ON&statussummary=ON&charges=ON&probation=ON&relatedcases=ON&alldisposedcases=ON&actions=ON&fineinfo=ON&Submit=Format+the+Report


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Tracygirl on March 03, 2010, 01:41:26 PM
Snipped from an article posted back on page 48.

Local criminal defense Attorney Bob Grimes says the erratic nature of human behavior will also render even the most well-crafted law imperfect.

"A lot of these crimes we just can't predict them. There are 60,000 registered sex offenders in California and probably a relatively small proportion of them are going to commit a crime of a really serious violent nature. But we can't predict which ones or how they're going to occur. So Megan's Law is really limited from protecting us from this kind of thing.


This kind of thing? Really? The Cover your butt is already starting? First off a psych told everyone he would re offend and was a danger to society, but his defense attorney talked him into pleading guilty so he would get a light sentence....But once released, seems like LE could have a clue into the need to watch this man, investigate the area's he is from and monitor him for possible connections to missing persons cases. But your right Mr defense attorney human behavior is unpredictable.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Tracygirl on March 03, 2010, 01:44:06 PM
I haven't seen a booking photo of him, has anyone else? I am curious to know what he looks like now.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Northern Rose on March 03, 2010, 02:14:53 PM
I found Mama's house in Rancho Bernardo. 

Date             Price    Held           Return         Annual
03/18/1998 $126,000  2y 10m         8%            3%
04/25/1995 $116,900  n/a -    -   


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Northern Rose on March 03, 2010, 02:25:15 PM
There is a business being run out of Mama's house.   ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: klaasend on March 03, 2010, 02:32:14 PM
There is a business being run out of Mama's house.   ::MonkeyEek::

Do you have that address handy?  TIA


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Tracygirl on March 03, 2010, 02:43:32 PM
What kind of business is it?


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 03, 2010, 02:58:38 PM
What kind of business is it?
I pray it isn't some kind of child care  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 03, 2010, 03:02:41 PM
http://www.pe.com/localnews/stories/PE_News_Local_W_websuspect.1da2f17.html           Wow, that police sketch has to be Gardner


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: sebastian on March 03, 2010, 03:05:54 PM
http://apps.sdsheriff.net/wij/wijDetail.aspx?BookNum=10715497

Here is his booking information at the San Diego Sheriff site. You can email him. Anyone want to send him a love letter?


The link is in fact John Albert Gardner III's booking information.  However, you can't email him.  Sebastian has posted it's a "joke". 


And not a very funny joke, imo.  Very inappropriate in light of the fact Chelsea's body has just been discovered after she was raped and murdered.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Northern Rose on March 03, 2010, 03:07:46 PM
Klaas you have nanners


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Missiontoconvict on March 03, 2010, 03:10:45 PM
http://www.pe.com/localnews/stories/PE_News_Local_W_websuspect.1da2f17.html           Wow, that police sketch has to be Gardner
::MonkeyEek:: I 'd say that is him for certain.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: sebastian on March 03, 2010, 03:12:41 PM
http://www.pe.com/localnews/stories/PE_News_Local_W_websuspect.1da2f17.html           Wow, that police sketch has to be Gardner

Snipped from this story

The attempted abduction in Lake Elsinore was reported Oct. 28. A girl told police she was walking to a friend's house about 7:10 a.m. in the 32900 block of Machado Street when she was approached by a man in a gold, 1990s four-door sedan. The man asked the girl for directions and, after a brief conversation, he showed the girl a gun and demanded that she get into his car, police said at the time. The girl refused and ran away.

7:10 a.m.! The exact time in the morning that Amber disappeared!!!!!!!!


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Missiontoconvict on March 03, 2010, 03:15:15 PM
http://apps.sdsheriff.net/wij/wijDetail.aspx?BookNum=10715497

Here is his booking information at the San Diego Sheriff site. You can email him. Anyone want to send him a love letter?
  ::MonkeyShocked:: He does not deserve to receive email he needs to be completely cut off from the outside world. 


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: MuffyBee on March 03, 2010, 03:17:19 PM
http://www.pe.com/localnews/stories/PE_News_Local_W_websuspect.1da2f17.html
(http://www.pe.com/imagesdaily/2010/03-03/420_websuspect_400.jpg)

Special to The Press-Enterprise
Lake Elsinore police are investigating a connection between an attempted abduction of a Lakeland Village girl in October 2009 and the disappearance and slaying of Chelsea King of San Diego County. At left is an artist sketch of the suspect in the Lakeland Village incident. At right is John Albert Gardner III, the suspect in the Chelsea King case.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: sebastian on March 03, 2010, 03:17:53 PM
http://apps.sdsheriff.net/wij/wijDetail.aspx?BookNum=10715497

Here is his booking information at the San Diego Sheriff site. You can email him. Anyone want to send him a love letter?
  ::MonkeyShocked:: He does not deserve to receive email he needs to be completely cut off from the outside world. 
'

It was a joke! Like it or not, there will be emotionally ill women lining up to send him letters. Look at all of the love letters that Scott Peterson gets! It is beyond mind boggling!

Please Sebastian, no more "jokes".  I don't find it funny at all.  Yes, there may be emotionally ill women lining up to send him letters and etc.  But why do you feel the need to post this "joke" as you call it?  Victims family, friends and others read here and I know you are aware of that. 


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: sebastian on March 03, 2010, 03:19:57 PM
http://www.pe.com/localnews/stories/PE_News_Local_W_websuspect.1da2f17.html
(http://www.pe.com/imagesdaily/2010/03-03/420_websuspect_400.jpg)

Special to The Press-Enterprise
Lake Elsinore police are investigating a connection between an attempted abduction of a Lakeland Village girl in October 2009 and the disappearance and slaying of Chelsea King of San Diego County. At left is an artist sketch of the suspect in the Lakeland Village incident. At right is John Albert Gardner III, the suspect in the Chelsea King case.


So, he dyes his hair and eyebrows. I wonder what other disguises he has used?


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 03, 2010, 03:24:43 PM
And a goldish colored sedan, isn't that what the man in the video said about the incident in the park in Escondido? The man that creeped this middle aged man and his wife by the way he was looking at the girls jogging, and again in the early morning hours.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: sebastian on March 03, 2010, 03:27:41 PM
And a goldish colored sedan, isn't that what the man in the video said about the incident in the park in Escondido? The man that creeped this middle aged man and his wife by the way he was looking at the girls jogging, and again in the early morning hours.

OMG No Rose! I will have to go back and read that again! I talked to Carrie this morning and she is sick as a dog or she would be all over the media. This is looking worse and worse!


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: klaasend on March 03, 2010, 03:28:14 PM
http://www.pe.com/localnews/stories/PE_News_Local_W_websuspect.1da2f17.html           Wow, that police sketch has to be Gardner

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/SketchOct09.jpg)


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Missiontoconvict on March 03, 2010, 03:33:35 PM
http://apps.sdsheriff.net/wij/wijDetail.aspx?BookNum=10715497

Here is his booking information at the San Diego Sheriff site. You can email him. Anyone want to send him a love letter?
  ::MonkeyShocked:: He does not deserve to receive email he needs to be completely cut off from the outside world. 
'

It was a joke! Like it or not, there will be emotionally ill women lining up to send him letters. Look at all of the love letters that Scott Peterson gets! It is beyond mind boggling!

Please Sebastian, no more "jokes".  I don't find it funny at all.  Yes, there may be emotionally ill women lining up to send him letters and etc.  But why do you feel the need to post this "joke" as you call it?  Victims family, friends and others read here and I know you are aware of that. 
::MonkeyWink:: I knew you were joking - my reaction was that they are even allowed emails etc.... that is crazy and you are right there are women that will more than likely send him a love letter, ewwww.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: MuffyBee on March 03, 2010, 03:35:43 PM
http://apps.sdsheriff.net/wij/wijDetail.aspx?BookNum=10715497

Here is his booking information at the San Diego Sheriff site. You can email him. Anyone want to send him a love letter?
  ::MonkeyShocked:: He does not deserve to receive email he needs to be completely cut off from the outside world. 
'

It was a joke! Like it or not, there will be emotionally ill women lining up to send him letters. Look at all of the love letters that Scott Peterson gets! It is beyond mind boggling!

Please Sebastian, no more "jokes".  I don't find it funny at all.  Yes, there may be emotionally ill women lining up to send him letters and etc.  But why do you feel the need to post this "joke" as you call it?  Victims family, friends and others read here and I know you are aware of that. 
::MonkeyWink:: I knew you were joking - my reaction was that they are even allowed emails etc.... that is crazy and you are right there are women that will more than likely send him a love letter, ewwww.


 ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: sebastian on March 03, 2010, 03:36:29 PM
And a goldish colored sedan, isn't that what the man in the video said about the incident in the park in Escondido? The man that creeped this middle aged man and his wife by the way he was looking at the girls jogging, and again in the early morning hours.

OMG No Rose! I will have to go back and read that again! I talked to Carrie this morning and she is sick as a dog or she would be all over the media. This is looking worse and worse!

OMG No Rose! It was a light colored pontiac sedan!!!!!!!!


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 03, 2010, 03:37:27 PM
And a goldish colored sedan, isn't that what the man in the video said about the incident in the park in Escondido? The man that creeped this middle aged man and his wife by the way he was looking at the girls jogging, and again in the early morning hours.

OMG No Rose! I will have to go back and read that again! I talked to Carrie this morning and she is sick as a dog or she would be all over the media. This is looking worse and worse!
I'm so sorry to hear she is sick. I saw her last night on JVM, I believe it was that show, she broke my heart  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 03, 2010, 03:38:55 PM
And a goldish colored sedan, isn't that what the man in the video said about the incident in the park in Escondido? The man that creeped this middle aged man and his wife by the way he was looking at the girls jogging, and again in the early morning hours.

OMG No Rose! I will have to go back and read that again! I talked to Carrie this morning and she is sick as a dog or she would be all over the media. This is looking worse and worse!

OMG No Rose! It was a light colored pontiac sedan!!!!!!!!
Yes, and after watching the video with the middle aged man and his wife, the person in the car must have been beyond obvious for this gentleman to have called the police.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: sebastian on March 03, 2010, 03:41:26 PM
Please Sebastian, no more "jokes".  I don't find it funny at all.  Yes, there may be emotionally ill women lining up to send him letters and etc.  But why do you feel the need to post this "joke" as you call it?  Victims family, friends and others read here and I know you are aware of that.

Sorry, but I think this is a bit of an over-reaction! When I implied love letters, I was meaning any kind of a letter that would let him know how San Diego feels about his actions. I have seen other jokes on here to lighten the mood. If you want to ban me, feel free! I am shaking right now! All I want to do is connect this monster to Amber so that her family can have some kind of closure. You can read into anything any way that you want!


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Missiontoconvict on March 03, 2010, 03:41:47 PM
http://apps.sdsheriff.net/wij/wijDetail.aspx?BookNum=10715497

Here is his booking information at the San Diego Sheriff site. You can email him. Anyone want to send him a love letter?
  ::MonkeyShocked:: He does not deserve to receive email he needs to be completely cut off from the outside world. 
'

It was a joke! Like it or not, there will be emotionally ill women lining up to send him letters. Look at all of the love letters that Scott Peterson gets! It is beyond mind boggling!

Please Sebastian, no more "jokes".  I don't find it funny at all.  Yes, there may be emotionally ill women lining up to send him letters and etc.  But why do you feel the need to post this "joke" as you call it?  Victims family, friends and others read here and I know you are aware of that. 
Muffy  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Northern Rose on March 03, 2010, 03:45:30 PM
Mama owns 17559 Martinal Road based on the pictures this morning from the graffiti on her garage door. Business out of that address is Baba Pictures, LLC

http://local.botw.org/California/San_Diego/Baba_Pictures2c_LLC/143760896.html

Brin Oreilly
Title and Company:
Member at Baba Pictures
Address:
17559 Matinal Road
San Diego, Ca 93370


Brin Oreilly's Biography
Brin O'Reilly, Ph.D.is our visionary and the"BaBa" of BabaPictures. Her CV includes: Editor of the medical journal 'Contemporary Surgery', Journalist and licensed clinical Counselor. Her Ph.D. thesis 'The Therapeutic Memoir Technique' studied the enlightening role of family photographs in exploring life experience. Brin is a member of the Association of Personal Historians. She is one of eight kids. As a mother of three, she's known to her grandchildren as"BaBa". brin@babapictures.com Kevin O'Reilly, Ph.D.is our digital photo and video editor. As an Adobe Certified Expert in Photoshop CS, Kevin provides comprehensive technical expertise in digital imaging. Kevin also shoots, edits and produces our video interviews and DVD Family Documentaries. He is an active member of the National Association of Photoshop Professionals and the Association of Personal Historians. kevin@babapictures.com Ron O'Reilly. In his thirty-five years of clinical radiology practice, Ron witnessed first hand the vital importance of "image quality". He has been an avid Photoshop user since 1991 and is an active member of the National Association of Photoshop Professionals. He is currently Visiting Professor of Radiologic Sciences at Boise State University where he brings the power of Photoshop into the university classroom. Ron has recently been named to the photo restoration team of "OPERATION PHOTO RESCUE", a volunteer organization working to restore the thousands of family photographs damaged in the Katrina hurricane.ron@babapictures.com

http://www.spoke.com/info/pFduYs4/BrinOreilly

http://www.babapictures.com/homepage.html






Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: AZSunny on March 03, 2010, 03:51:28 PM
http://www.pe.com/localnews/stories/PE_News_Local_W_websuspect.1da2f17.html           Wow, that police sketch has to be Gardner

I agree!! and they never investiagated this guy?  why????


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: akmom on March 03, 2010, 03:56:10 PM
Mama owns 17559 Martinal Road based on the pictures this morning from the graffiti on her garage door. Business out of that address is Baba Pictures, LLC

http://local.botw.org/California/San_Diego/Baba_Pictures2c_LLC/143760896.html

Brin Oreilly
Title and Company:
Member at Baba Pictures
Address:
17559 Matinal Road
San Diego, Ca 93370


Brin Oreilly's Biography
Brin O'Reilly, Ph.D.is our visionary and the"BaBa" of BabaPictures. Her CV includes: Editor of the medical journal 'Contemporary Surgery', Journalist and licensed clinical Counselor. Her Ph.D. thesis 'The Therapeutic Memoir Technique' studied the enlightening role of family photographs in exploring life experience. Brin is a member of the Association of Personal Historians. She is one of eight kids. As a mother of three, she's known to her grandchildren as"BaBa". brin@babapictures.com Kevin O'Reilly, Ph.D.is our digital photo and video editor. As an Adobe Certified Expert in Photoshop CS, Kevin provides comprehensive technical expertise in digital imaging. Kevin also shoots, edits and produces our video interviews and DVD Family Documentaries. He is an active member of the National Association of Photoshop Professionals and the Association of Personal Historians. kevin@babapictures.com Ron O'Reilly. In his thirty-five years of clinical radiology practice, Ron witnessed first hand the vital importance of "image quality". He has been an avid Photoshop user since 1991 and is an active member of the National Association of Photoshop Professionals. He is currently Visiting Professor of Radiologic Sciences at Boise State University where he brings the power of Photoshop into the university classroom. Ron has recently been named to the photo restoration team of "OPERATION PHOTO RESCUE", a volunteer organization working to restore the thousands of family photographs damaged in the Katrina hurricane.ron@babapictures.com

http://www.spoke.com/info/pFduYs4/BrinOreilly

http://www.babapictures.com/homepage.html






As if this story could get any more horrifying, this gives me the chills.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: MuffyBee on March 03, 2010, 03:59:36 PM
Please Sebastian, no more "jokes".  I don't find it funny at all.  Yes, there may be emotionally ill women lining up to send him letters and etc.  But why do you feel the need to post this "joke" as you call it?  Victims family, friends and others read here and I know you are aware of that.

Sorry, but I think this is a bit of an over-reaction! When I implied love letters, I was meaning any kind of a letter that would let him know how San Diego feels about his actions. I have seen other jokes on here to lighten the mood. If you want to ban me, feel free! I am shaking right now! All I want to do is connect this monster to Amber so that her family can have some kind of closure. You can read into anything any way that you want!

Sebastian-I don't think it's an over-reaction in light that Chelsea's body was just found after being raped and murdered.  A lot of people are coming here and reading for information.  My opinion is that your "joke" was inappropriate and I am entitled to that opinion, which I have expressed. 

Nowhere in my posts to you did I mention or threaten any kind of action and for your information, moderators cannot ban, only administration.  Banning never crossed my mind. What I did want to do is have you think about what you are posting.  I have read your posts in this thread and in Amber's and that is why I was somewhat surprised and dismayed by your "joke" at this time.  It wasn't a "joke" to me, it was  misleading.  JMHO






Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Cappuccino on March 03, 2010, 04:04:27 PM
Snipped from an article posted back on page 48.

Local criminal defense Attorney Bob Grimes says the erratic nature of human behavior will also render even the most well-crafted law imperfect.

"A lot of these crimes we just can't predict them. There are 60,000 registered sex offenders in California and probably a relatively small proportion of them are going to commit a crime of a really serious violent nature. But we can't predict which ones or how they're going to occur. So Megan's Law is really limited from protecting us from this kind of thing.


This kind of thing? Really? The Cover your butt is already starting? First off a psych told everyone he would re offend and was a danger to society, but his defense attorney talked him into pleading guilty so he would get a light sentence....But once released, seems like LE could have a clue into the need to watch this man, investigate the area's he is from and monitor him for possible connections to missing persons cases. But your right Mr defense attorney human behavior is unpredictable.

"This kind of thing" ruins lives being victimized of a sexual assault that will haunt the victim for life, a memory that will damage the heart & mind forever so Mr. Grimes that inandofitself is VERY SERIOUSLY VIOLENT much less if these monsters murder their victims after an unmerciful & despicable attack.   Ya know, those that seem to have to get it twisted protecting predators probably wouldnt feel the same if it was their wife, daughter, mother, sister.  One cannot ignore behavioral science studies & one must weigh the difference between an inappropriate contact & a sexual assault before defending one's actions, not that inappropriate contact is at all acceptable, tolerable or excusable.  Regardless, even if you want to argue not to lock a convicted sexual assault predator up and throw away the key, there still is NO excuse NONE whatsoever why they do not get the maximum sentence for their degree of convicted offense & serve that entire term only being released under heavy monitored supervision & removal from areas heavy populated where they could repeat their heinous offenses. 

No wonder why the tea party was formed, the same mindset that refuses to hear the majority of the public & buy into twisted ideology in our government is also within our judicial system infecting the very foundation to serve and protect our citizens.   


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Northern Rose on March 03, 2010, 04:04:41 PM
Looks like Baba's maiden name is O'Reilly and the Ron from Babas Pictures is her brother Ron.

Anna Mae O’Reilly Memorial Scholarship
 
Anna Mae O'Reilly, a dedicated 6th grade teacher, inspired her students to learn and to acquire a strong foundation in education. Entering her “no-nonsense” classroom, students were recipients of her integrity, caring and professional excellence. Through the years, she received countless letters from former students relating their progress, sharing family photographs, and expressing their appreciation. We honor Mother and Grandmother, Anna Mae O'Reilly, by honoring students who demonstrate enthusiasm for the opportunity to attend Boise State University, and are committed to furthering their education: Ronald O'Reilly, M.D.; Kevin O'Reilly, Ph.D.; Brin O'Reilly, Ph.D.; Kirk O'Reilly, Ph.D.; Tara O'Reilly, Ph.D., and Molly, Gage, and Olivia Mae O'Reilly.

http://hs.boisestate.edu/scholarships.shtml



Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Northern Rose on March 03, 2010, 04:07:14 PM
Drs. Brin and Ron O’Reilly Radiologic Sciences Scholarship
 
The Drs. Brin and Ron O’Reilly Scholarship was established in 2004 by James and Georgia Girvan as the Dean’s Scholarship for Radiologic Sciences. It was renamed in 2007 in honor of the O’Reilly’s contributions to health sciences programs at Boise State University. Dr. Brin O’Reilly has enjoyed careers in both journalism and counseling. She was the editor of the medical journal Contemporary Surgery and currently is a licensed clinical counselor and a member of the Association of Personal Historians. From 1981 until his retirement in 1994, Dr. Ron O’Reilly was the Chief of the Division of Nuclear Medicine and the Medical Director of the Breast Care Center at Saint Alphonsus Regional Medical Center in Boise. Dr. O, as he is fondly referred to by the students and faculty, joined the College of Health Sciences at Boise State University in 1994 as an affiliate faculty. He volunteers his time to share a radiologist’s perspective of film interpretation with radiography and respiratory care students. He has also been a strong advocate for the faculty and programs offered by the Radiologic Sciences Department.

http://hs.boisestate.edu/scholarships.shtml


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: klaasend on March 03, 2010, 04:07:45 PM
Looks like Baba's maiden name is O'Reilly and the Ron from Babas Pictures is her brother Ron.

Anna Mae O’Reilly Memorial Scholarship
 
Anna Mae O'Reilly, a dedicated 6th grade teacher, inspired her students to learn and to acquire a strong foundation in education. Entering her “no-nonsense” classroom, students were recipients of her integrity, caring and professional excellence. Through the years, she received countless letters from former students relating their progress, sharing family photographs, and expressing their appreciation. We honor Mother and Grandmother, Anna Mae O'Reilly, by honoring students who demonstrate enthusiasm for the opportunity to attend Boise State University, and are committed to furthering their education: Ronald O'Reilly, M.D.; Kevin O'Reilly, Ph.D.; Brin O'Reilly, Ph.D.; Kirk O'Reilly, Ph.D.; Tara O'Reilly, Ph.D., and Molly, Gage, and Olivia Mae O'Reilly.



http://hs.boisestate.edu/scholarships.shtml




Or could O'Reilly be the stepdad's name? 


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: sebastian on March 03, 2010, 04:12:28 PM
Please Sebastian, no more "jokes".  I don't find it funny at all.  Yes, there may be emotionally ill women lining up to send him letters and etc.  But why do you feel the need to post this "joke" as you call it?  Victims family, friends and others read here and I know you are aware of that.

Sorry, but I think this is a bit of an over-reaction! When I implied love letters, I was meaning any kind of a letter that would let him know how San Diego feels about his actions. I have seen other jokes on here to lighten the mood. If you want to ban me, feel free! I am shaking right now! All I want to do is connect this monster to Amber so that her family can have some kind of closure. You can read into anything any way that you want!

Sebastian-I don't think it's an over-reaction in light that Chelsea's body was just found after being raped and murdered.  A lot of people are coming here and reading for information.  My opinion is that your "joke" was inappropriate and I am entitled to that opinion, which I have expressed. 

Nowhere in my posts to you did I mention or threaten any kind of action and for your information, moderators cannot ban, only administration.  Banning never crossed my mind. What I did want to do is have you think about what you are posting.  I have read your posts in this thread and in Amber's and that is why I was somewhat surprised and dismayed by your "joke" at this time.  It wasn't a "joke" to me, it was  misleading.  JMHO





Yes, you have seen my posts for months and that is why YOUR public lashing of me floored me. How you can imply that I would EVER do or say anything to disrespect a family of one of these missing children is beyond my wildest imagination. I have been posting on Amber's board for months trying to keep her case alive and in on the internet. I have watched her mother go through hell of these months. I WOULD NEVER, EVER DO OR SAY ANYTHING TO HURT ONE OF THESE FAMILY MEMBERS. Your implications were BEYOND insulting!


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Tracygirl on March 03, 2010, 04:15:15 PM
Sorry I am tired got maybe a couple hours of sleep last night, where is the connection between the name Gardner and O'reilly? I am lost.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 03, 2010, 04:17:50 PM
Sorry I am tired got maybe a couple hours of sleep last night, where is the connection between the name Gardner and O'reilly? I am lost.
I'm thinking the O'reilly must be Gardner's mother's husband's last name.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: klaasend on March 03, 2010, 04:18:32 PM
Sebastian - I read your post and didn't think anything of it.  I know you would never joke about what happened to Chelsea or any other missing/murdered person.  That said I can see how someone else could read what you posted differently as Muffy did.

I think we are all upset and angry over what has happened to Chelsea and what continues to happen to our children.  I know you meant no harm and no joke by what you posted and it was simply a sarcastic comment noting his ability to receive emails. 




Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Missiontoconvict on March 03, 2010, 04:23:38 PM
Drs. Brin and Ron O’Reilly Radiologic Sciences Scholarship
 
The Drs. Brin and Ron O’Reilly Scholarship was established in 2004 by James and Georgia Girvan as the Dean’s Scholarship for Radiologic Sciences. It was renamed in 2007 in honor of the O’Reilly’s contributions to health sciences programs at Boise State University. Dr. Brin O’Reilly has enjoyed careers in both journalism and counseling. She was the editor of the medical journal Contemporary Surgery and currently is a licensed clinical counselor and a member of the Association of Personal Historians. From 1981 until his retirement in 1994, Dr. Ron O’Reilly was the Chief of the Division of Nuclear Medicine and the Medical Director of the Breast Care Center at Saint Alphonsus Regional Medical Center in Boise. Dr. O, as he is fondly referred to by the students and faculty, joined the College of Health Sciences at Boise State University in 1994 as an affiliate faculty. He volunteers his time to share a radiologist’s perspective of film interpretation with radiography and respiratory care students. He has also been a strong advocate for the faculty and programs offered by the Radiologic Sciences Department.

http://hs.boisestate.edu/scholarships.shtml
My question is why would such highly educated people dabble in this baba pictures deal, is it just me or is that strange?


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 03, 2010, 04:24:40 PM
Drs. Brin and Ron O’Reilly Radiologic Sciences Scholarship
 
The Drs. Brin and Ron O’Reilly Scholarship was established in 2004 by James and Georgia Girvan as the Dean’s Scholarship for Radiologic Sciences. It was renamed in 2007 in honor of the O’Reilly’s contributions to health sciences programs at Boise State University. Dr. Brin O’Reilly has enjoyed careers in both journalism and counseling. She was the editor of the medical journal Contemporary Surgery and currently is a licensed clinical counselor and a member of the Association of Personal Historians. From 1981 until his retirement in 1994, Dr. Ron O’Reilly was the Chief of the Division of Nuclear Medicine and the Medical Director of the Breast Care Center at Saint Alphonsus Regional Medical Center in Boise. Dr. O, as he is fondly referred to by the students and faculty, joined the College of Health Sciences at Boise State University in 1994 as an affiliate faculty. He volunteers his time to share a radiologist’s perspective of film interpretation with radiography and respiratory care students. He has also been a strong advocate for the faculty and programs offered by the Radiologic Sciences Department.

http://hs.boisestate.edu/scholarships.shtml
My question is why would such highly educated people dabble in this baba pictures deal, is it just me or is that strange?
I've been wondering that myself  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: mizjay on March 03, 2010, 04:27:13 PM
Drs. Brin and Ron O’Reilly Radiologic Sciences Scholarship
 
The Drs. Brin and Ron O’Reilly Scholarship was established in 2004 by James and Georgia Girvan as the Dean’s Scholarship for Radiologic Sciences. It was renamed in 2007 in honor of the O’Reilly’s contributions to health sciences programs at Boise State University. Dr. Brin O’Reilly has enjoyed careers in both journalism and counseling. She was the editor of the medical journal Contemporary Surgery and currently is a licensed clinical counselor and a member of the Association of Personal Historians. From 1981 until his retirement in 1994, Dr. Ron O’Reilly was the Chief of the Division of Nuclear Medicine and the Medical Director of the Breast Care Center at Saint Alphonsus Regional Medical Center in Boise. Dr. O, as he is fondly referred to by the students and faculty, joined the College of Health Sciences at Boise State University in 1994 as an affiliate faculty. He volunteers his time to share a radiologist’s perspective of film interpretation with radiography and respiratory care students. He has also been a strong advocate for the faculty and programs offered by the Radiologic Sciences Department.

http://hs.boisestate.edu/scholarships.shtml
My question is why would such highly educated people dabble in this baba pictures deal, is it just me or is that strange?
I've been wondering that myself  ::MonkeyEek::
I sort of got the idea it may be some sort of therapy using family photos???/   That's a loaded thought about their own family , if that is what they may offer in addition to restoration


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: AZSunny on March 03, 2010, 04:28:32 PM
Please Sebastian, no more "jokes".  I don't find it funny at all.  Yes, there may be emotionally ill women lining up to send him letters and etc.  But why do you feel the need to post this "joke" as you call it?  Victims family, friends and others read here and I know you are aware of that.

Sorry, but I think this is a bit of an over-reaction! When I implied love letters, I was meaning any kind of a letter that would let him know how San Diego feels about his actions. I have seen other jokes on here to lighten the mood. If you want to ban me, feel free! I am shaking right now! All I want to do is connect this monster to Amber so that her family can have some kind of closure. You can read into anything any way that you want!

Sebastian-I don't think it's an over-reaction in light that Chelsea's body was just found after being raped and murdered.  A lot of people are coming here and reading for information.  My opinion is that your "joke" was inappropriate and I am entitled to that opinion, which I have expressed. 

Nowhere in my posts to you did I mention or threaten any kind of action and for your information, moderators cannot ban, only administration.  Banning never crossed my mind. What I did want to do is have you think about what you are posting.  I have read your posts in this thread and in Amber's and that is why I was somewhat surprised and dismayed by your "joke" at this time.  It wasn't a "joke" to me, it was  misleading.  JMHO





Yes, you have seen my posts for months and that is why YOUR public lashing of me floored me. How you can imply that I would EVER do or say anything to disrespect a family of one of these missing children is beyond my wildest imagination. I have been posting on Amber's board for months trying to keep her case alive and in on the internet. I have watched her mother go through hell of these months. I WOULD NEVER, EVER DO OR SAY ANYTHING TO HURT ONE OF THESE FAMILY MEMBERS. Your implications were BEYOND insulting!

Perhaps this was just a misunderstanding, and we can move on?


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: SunnyinTX on March 03, 2010, 04:31:39 PM
Good Afternoon Monks......finally got caught up........WOW

I was shocked to see what someone had painted on his mother's garage. I have read little about the parents,  but I think that was WRONG and was happy to read that neighbors had painted over it after LE photographed it. I may have to eat that later on.....and that's OK, but for now I NEED to believe that JAG's mother is in SHOCK and a great deal of pain.

I also believe in the depths of my soul that there are more victims of JAG....





Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Adam In California on March 03, 2010, 04:33:13 PM
Hey everyone.

Checking back in.  Went with my sons last night to the vigil at St. Michaels.  I thought it would be good for them and it was.  it was good for me too - when I got there I saw an old friend who runs the Religious Education program there trying to deal with directing traffic so i ended up helping her all night.

The guy running the KTLA news truck told me that he had been to many vigils in over 25 years in the news business and never saw one so quiet and orderly.  And it was very quiet - people filed past me for a full hour as they made their way to Pomerado Road - it was crowded and slow going but everyone was very patient and quiet - not just mournfully quiet but determined as well.

Spoke to one of my sons' teachers who was having a very hard time with it - he is young and dynamic and enjoyed teaching Chelsea.  He is the type of teacher that makes a connection with just about every kid.  he is having a very hard time.  It pains me to think that this event will probably dampen his zeal for what he does despite whatever encouragement we in the community give him.  It is hard to dedicate your life to improving a community and then have some mindlessly selfish monster simply destroy your view on making the world a better place.  Being older I tried to encourage him to persist and to understand the kind of person that he is and to understand that people recognize it and are drawn to him.  He said something that I'll never forget - "I guess I just feel like I don't have the answers.  I can usually put students on the path to an answer.  I just can't now."

Anyways, I am reminded of Voltaire's advice to "cultivate your garden" and simply take action where you can rather than stand idly by hoping someone of authority will fix things.  We have to persist - not just for the victims, but tfor those who would be a victim, as well as for our own sanity.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: klaasend on March 03, 2010, 04:34:53 PM
Good Afternoon Monks......finally got caught up........WOW

I was shocked to see what someone had painted on his mother's garage. I have read little about the parents,  but I think that was WRONG and was happy to read that neighbors had painted over it after LE photographed it. I may have to eat that later on.....and that's OK, but for now I NEED to believe that JAG's mother is in SHOCK and a great deal of pain.

I also believe in the depths of my soul that there are more victims of JAG....





I do wonder how a mother can allow her son to live in a house closer to an elementary school than he is allowed by law.  I also wonder how a mother can protect a son when at age 20 he beat up and sexually assaulted a 13yr old girl. 

I'm not saying it's OK to paint on the house but I do understand the anger in the community. 


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: sebastian on March 03, 2010, 04:34:54 PM
Sebastian - I read your post and didn't think anything of it.  I know you would never joke about what happened to Chelsea or any other missing/murdered person.  That said I can see how someone else could read what you posted differently as Muffy did.

I think we are all upset and angry over what has happened to Chelsea and what continues to happen to our children.  I know you meant no harm and no joke by what you posted and it was simply a sarcastic comment noting his ability to receive emails. 



'

Thank you for this klaas. I am super duper sensative today. This is happening in my county! I am sick for Chelsea's friends and family. I am also so upset because I have truly believed all fo these months that Amber is still alive. Seeing all of these possible to connections to JAG and Amber is overwhelming. Carrie has pulled herself out of bed from her sinus infection and is heading to Los Angeles right now to do Larry King Live. Please pray for Chelsea's family and Amber's family. They are going to need every bit of strength that they can get right now.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Missiontoconvict on March 03, 2010, 04:36:45 PM
Adam. thank you for your post.  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Edward on March 03, 2010, 04:38:52 PM
http://apps.sdsheriff.net/wij/wijDetail.aspx?BookNum=10715497

Here is his booking information at the San Diego Sheriff site. You can email him. Anyone want to send him a love letter?


The link is in fact John Albert Gardner III's booking information.  However, you can't email him.  Sebastian has posted it's a "joke". 


And not a very funny joke, imo.  Very inappropriate in light of the fact Chelsea's body has just been discovered after she was raped and murdered.

I have just followed the link and it is true..You can Email Him.
I can't believe that email is given to prisoners.. I hope they do not have direct access to the internet.

Thank You Sabastian, I had no idea I could contact a prisoner by email.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: SunnyinTX on March 03, 2010, 04:39:57 PM
Hey everyone.

Checking back in.  Went with my sons last night to the vigil at St. Michaels.  I thought it would be good for them and it was.  it was good for me too - when I got there I saw an old friend who runs the Religious Education program there trying to deal with directing traffic so i ended up helping her all night.

The guy running the KTLA news truck told me that he had been to many vigils in over 25 years in the news business and never saw one so quiet and orderly.  And it was very quiet - people filed past me for a full hour as they made their way to Pomerado Road - it was crowded and slow going but everyone was very patient and quiet - not just mournfully quiet but determined as well.

Spoke to one of my sons' teachers who was having a very hard time with it - he is young and dynamic and enjoyed teaching Chelsea.  He is the type of teacher that makes a connection with just about every kid.  he is having a very hard time.  It pains me to think that this event will probably dampen his zeal for what he does despite whatever encouragement we in the community give him.  It is hard to dedicate your life to improving a community and then have some mindlessly selfish monster simply destroy your view on making the world a better place.  Being older I tried to encourage him to persist and to understand the kind of person that he is and to understand that people recognize it and are drawn to him.  He said something that I'll never forget - "I guess I just feel like I don't have the answers.  I can usually put students on the path to an answer.  I just can't now."

Anyways, I am reminded of Voltaire's advice to "cultivate your garden" and simply take action where you can rather than stand idly by hoping someone of authority will fix things.  We have to persist - not just for the victims, but tfor those who would be a victim, as well as for our own sanity.

Hi Adam, thanks for sharing this with us... and for what you said to the young teacher, such a sad time for so many.  I read someplace else a post by someone who said she no longer believes there could be a God..........broke my heart to read that. In fact several people were questioning their faith.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 03, 2010, 04:44:44 PM
Thank-you Adam  ::MonkeyAngel::  Sebastian thank-you for telling us that Carrie will be on LKL tonight.  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: SunnyinTX on March 03, 2010, 04:45:03 PM
Good Afternoon Monks......finally got caught up........WOW

I was shocked to see what someone had painted on his mother's garage. I have read little about the parents,  but I think that was WRONG and was happy to read that neighbors had painted over it after LE photographed it. I may have to eat that later on.....and that's OK, but for now I NEED to believe that JAG's mother is in SHOCK and a great deal of pain.

I also believe in the depths of my soul that there are more victims of JAG....





I do wonder how a mother can allow her son to live in a house closer to an elementary school than he is allowed by law.  I also wonder how a mother can protect a son when at age 20 he beat up and sexually assaulted a 13yr old girl. 

I'm not saying it's OK to paint on the house but I do understand the anger in the community. 

Oh I understand the anger too. I wish I knew how a mother could be so blind....and in such denial.....and that's the only things I can think of that MIGHT even come close to explaining............and that's a long way from close.   ::MonkeyNoNo:: 


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: SunnyinTX on March 03, 2010, 04:47:18 PM
Sebastian - I read your post and didn't think anything of it.  I know you would never joke about what happened to Chelsea or any other missing/murdered person.  That said I can see how someone else could read what you posted differently as Muffy did.

I think we are all upset and angry over what has happened to Chelsea and what continues to happen to our children.  I know you meant no harm and no joke by what you posted and it was simply a sarcastic comment noting his ability to receive emails. 



'

Thank you for this klaas. I am super duper sensative today. This is happening in my county! I am sick for Chelsea's friends and family. I am also so upset because I have truly believed all fo these months that Amber is still alive. Seeing all of these possible to connections to JAG and Amber is overwhelming. Carrie has pulled herself out of bed from her sinus infection and is heading to Los Angeles right now to do Larry King Live. Please pray for Chelsea's family and Amber's family. They are going to need every bit of strength that they can get right now.

take a deep breathe.......we all have those kinda days and you are indeed very close to this terribly sad event...........and to Carrie.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Shell on March 03, 2010, 04:50:39 PM
Yesterday I posted a few of the missing persons that happened recently. There was a lot of activity in January. I think there 4 or 5 girls went missing in the riverside and san diego area? To me it seemed like a lot.
The sheriff did say yesterday as well they were going back 18 months and revisiting old cases. Of course this needs to be done in all counties and area's. I hope the FBI is in on this.
I do not have a good feeling about Amber, I hate to say that.

What I don't understand, is why are they  only going back 18 months? He had been out of prison longer than that...18 months would have been when his parole was up. Why not go back to cases from the time he was released from prison?


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Cappuccino on March 03, 2010, 04:57:58 PM
Good Afternoon Monks......finally got caught up........WOW

I was shocked to see what someone had painted on his mother's garage. I have read little about the parents,  but I think that was WRONG and was happy to read that neighbors had painted over it after LE photographed it. I may have to eat that later on.....and that's OK, but for now I NEED to believe that JAG's mother is in SHOCK and a great deal of pain.

I also believe in the depths of my soul that there are more victims of JAG....





I do wonder how a mother can allow her son to live in a house closer to an elementary school than he is allowed by law.  I also wonder how a mother can protect a son when at age 20 he beat up and sexually assaulted a 13yr old girl. 

I'm not saying it's OK to paint on the house but I do understand the anger in the community. 

We will never understand the demented and/or blindsided actions of parents that ignore the obvious, refuse to utilize all means possible to avoid/rectify the bad acts of their children or for that matter how they so vehemently defend their children despite the evidence....these names ring a bell Cindy Anthony, Teresa Nevens, Jackie Peterson, etc., etc.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Shell on March 03, 2010, 05:00:12 PM
http://www.cbs8.com/Global/story.asp?S=12075781

cbs 8 will have live streaming coverage at 2:30


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Cappuccino on March 03, 2010, 05:01:27 PM
Mike Galanos on Primetime Live HLN going to discuss this case which will probably lead right into asshats arraignmen


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Cappuccino on March 03, 2010, 05:03:45 PM
Just reported on HLN that JAG was assigned TWO public defenders, speculating it indicates he will face the DP.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Adam In California on March 03, 2010, 05:04:45 PM

Hi Adam, thanks for sharing this with us... and for what you said to the young teacher, such a sad time for so many.  I read someplace else a post by someone who said she no longer believes there could be a God..........broke my heart to read that. In fact several people were questioning their faith.

These sorts of events always remind me God gave us the ability to make choices - both in brains and in conscience.  Without such an ability, and without living in a world where choosing good is often difficult, then we could not choose God.  We could not choose a path to him or away from him.

Choice is what brings richness to life and to our souls.  Throughout our lives we weave a tapestry of our choices and it follows us forever.

Strangely, when awful things like this happen it gives many the opportunity to help deepen the faith of others.  The deal with God is not "If I have faith then you give me a fantastic ride, mkay?"  The deal with God has more to do with what we choose in every situation at every moment of your life.  Without assurance of a pleasant outcome.  Without assurance of a just outcome.  And when you think about that you also have to think about Gardner's soul - you have to put your own anger and hatred aside and actually wonder how anyone can be so devoid of a conscience and pity them in some way.  Not enough to let him off in the slightest nor consider his actions redeemable - but you really have to hope that you yourself will never not have a conscience.

Rejecting God because of the choices of another, and the victim hood you feel, starts one down the path to losing one's conscience.

That is what troubles me the most.  People can screw up and make poor choices.  Sometimes they get away with them, sometimes they get punished for them excessively.  But just about everyone maintains a capacity for introspection and a conscience.  We learn from our mistakes, and sometimes we learn that we aren't as good as we thought we were.  Gardner?  He is an exception.  I remember reading the new testament as a kid and wondered what it was like to see someone possessed by a demon.  I think I now have seen it.  And we should not let such a demon erode our faith, yet it is an easy path to choose.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 03, 2010, 05:16:50 PM
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KGTV (10) local news just said (prior to arraignment) that JAG's mom and step dad left down yesterday.

They are stepping up patrols in the neighborhood from fears of other neighbors.
(That area where his mom and step dad live have many townhomes all in a row - on several streets actually - that basically look alike, so I can see how that adds to their fears if someone were angry about what happened that things could be targeted against the wrong home.

Things are being very tightfly controlled in the courthouse.

There is a separate courtroom for the media - with 18 different news outlets there!

They are one courtroom upstairs and then the relevant people (DA, etc.) will be brought down to speak to the media.  (from WS)


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: klaasend on March 03, 2010, 05:17:42 PM
http://www.10news.com/video/15013365/index.html

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub8/court1.jpg)


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Tracygirl on March 03, 2010, 05:18:26 PM
Yesterday I posted a few of the missing persons that happened recently. There was a lot of activity in January. I think there 4 or 5 girls went missing in the riverside and san diego area? To me it seemed like a lot.
The sheriff did say yesterday as well they were going back 18 months and revisiting old cases. Of course this needs to be done in all counties and area's. I hope the FBI is in on this.
I do not have a good feeling about Amber, I hate to say that.

What I don't understand, is why are they  only going back 18 months? He had been out of prison longer than that...18 months would have been when his parole was up. Why not go back to cases from the time he was released from prison?

I personally think they should go back until he was too young to rape and kill anyone.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: bananas on March 03, 2010, 05:25:08 PM
  http://www.10news.com/video/22718463/index.html        Interesting video.        I usually never approve of someone defacing a person's property, but for some reason, my outrage for what was written on this monster's mom's garage, doesn't bother me.

Northern Rose, you're not alone.... I was thinking I bet it isn't a high priority on LE's list to find out who put the grafiti on their garage.   ::rhino::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: klaasend on March 03, 2010, 05:27:34 PM
http://www.10news.com/video/15013365/index.html

The King family has just been escorted into the courtroom

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub8/court2.jpg)


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Edward on March 03, 2010, 05:28:59 PM
From: GigiPSent: Tuesday, March 2, 2010 04:51 PMHe went to Rim, and was probably part of that group that duct taped high school girls and raped them at parties in the forest. If it had been dealt with then, this may not have happened. He is the same age as my sister, and they grabbed her and she heard someone say to duct tape her mouth before she screamed, so she screamed. That saved her but not other girls of this age group at Rim. Sorry, but that is why this is coming out. Prayers to the families.

This is from a poster up in Lake Arrowhead. Another poster said that he was just up there two years ago. You can read all comments at rimoftheworld.net

Oh gosh I remember Running springs. Something happened there back in the 1990's, what was it, does any so californian recall?


running springs is where the body of the victim from redondo beach abduction of the bartender woman was found ..
That culprit is supposedly in jail and on trial.

It is also a spot I suggested searching for Amber Dubois in her thread.. We have talked about running springs road before..
It is also on the backside of san bernadino where the little boy got kidnapped from by F.B.I. known and identified suspects that we have photos of..



READ ABOUT THE CASE HERE..
It is possible that police are railroading the wrong guy just to close the case ?

http://www.insidesocal.com/mt/mt-search.cgi?blog_id=301&tag=Tony+Lopez+Perez&limit=20&IncludeBlogs=301


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: klaasend on March 03, 2010, 05:29:00 PM
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub8/court3.jpg)


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Tracygirl on March 03, 2010, 05:29:31 PM
http://www.10news.com/video/15013365/index.html

The King family has just been escorted into the courtroom

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub8/court2.jpg)

Best sign out there. Keep these freaks in prison for life.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: klaasend on March 03, 2010, 05:33:44 PM
Pleading not guilty:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub8/GardnerCourt.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub8/court4.jpg)



Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 03, 2010, 05:34:42 PM
Monster doesn't look so smug now  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: klaasend on March 03, 2010, 05:34:54 PM
No bail - no evidence released today.  Pleaded not guilty.  Prelim hearing March 18th:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub8/court5.jpg)


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Missiontoconvict on March 03, 2010, 05:41:02 PM
Monster doesn't look so smug now  ::MonkeyNoNo::
No he sure doesn't - I got the chills when he appeared and then I became filled with anger.  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 03, 2010, 05:41:41 PM
Monster doesn't look so smug now  ::MonkeyNoNo::
No he sure doesn't - I got the chills when he appeared and then I became filled with anger.  ::MonkeyNoNo::
I felt the same way  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 03, 2010, 05:43:17 PM
News conference five minutes, prosecutors and Amber's family.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Shell on March 03, 2010, 05:50:32 PM
OT...and this sounds silly and I am sure it is right before my face..but I just installed Mozilla/foxfire and I can not see the refresh button...help plz


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: trimmonthelake on March 03, 2010, 05:58:22 PM
OT...and this sounds silly and I am sure it is right before my face..but I just installed Mozilla/foxfire and I can not see the refresh button...help plz

http://support.mozilla.com/en-US/kb/Back+and+forward+or+other+toolbar+items+are+missing


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Lovinlife on March 03, 2010, 05:59:26 PM
OT...and this sounds silly and I am sure it is right before my face..but I just installed Mozilla/foxfire and I can not see the refresh button...help plz
Top left, by the address. 


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Tracygirl on March 03, 2010, 06:00:07 PM
News conference five minutes, prosecutors and Amber's family.
thanks, did Ambers family speak yet? If so what did they say?

Gardner looked to me to be very angry. He is on the edge.

Shell I don't know where the refresh tab went but I think the F5 button will refresh your page.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Missiontoconvict on March 03, 2010, 06:01:47 PM
OT...and this sounds silly and I am sure it is right before my face..but I just installed Mozilla/foxfire and I can not see the refresh button...help plz
Shell it is the blue rounded arrow under the view tab.



Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Shell on March 03, 2010, 06:02:39 PM
OT...and this sounds silly and I am sure it is right before my face..but I just installed Mozilla/foxfire and I can not see the refresh button...help plz
Top left, by the address. 

Found it...thanks!


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: bananas on March 03, 2010, 06:04:37 PM
Monster doesn't look so smug now  ::MonkeyNoNo::
No he sure doesn't - I got the chills when he appeared and then I became filled with anger.  ::MonkeyNoNo::
I felt the same way  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Not me... I bawled.... I could just imagine that huge beast overpowering that little girl and it just went all over me.  I have been attacked by a man when I was a teenager and I was powerless to stop him.  POWERLESS!  I was lucky and someone intervened.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Cappuccino on March 03, 2010, 06:10:57 PM
http://www.10news.com/video/15013365/index.html

The King family has just been escorted into the courtroom

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub8/court2.jpg)

Best sign out there. Keep these freaks in prison for life.

TELL IT, thats what Im saying....the protest must continue

OMG what an unremorseful monster that massive blight is, you just want to reach into your screen and choke the ever loving life out of him right here and now.   Listening to Amber's father is wrenching, I think he has a very strong sense this is connected & thru his grief and fear he offered sound advice for parents.   Damn, this is just so outrageous I can hardly see the screen to type as I am reduced to tears


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Cappuccino on March 03, 2010, 06:23:34 PM
I wanted to add that it has to be beyond excuriating to have to face this monster so soon after finding out he murdered your daughter...ugh that poor family.   Truth be told if I were them I would look into a suit that might set a precedent so our judicial system stops taking these SO crimes lightly - if this man was still in jail their daughter would still be alive...enough is enough  HEADS SHOULD ROLL!


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 03, 2010, 06:24:26 PM
Amber's dad says this day is about Chelsea, wants to keep the focus on Chelsea but is grateful for the chance to talk about Amber. Acknowledges he had seen JAG on the RSO list but was informed by LE they could not follow him or check up on him, that's LE's job.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: AZSunny on March 03, 2010, 06:35:39 PM
It is amazing to me that Chelsea was out running just a week ago tomorrow, and this happened.  LE now has found her body, and has the murderer in custody and charged.  All in less than a week.  We certainly do not see that very often. 


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 03, 2010, 06:45:40 PM
It is amazing to me that Chelsea was out running just a week ago tomorrow, and this happened.  LE now has found her body, and has the murderer in custody and charged.  All in less than a week.  We certainly do not see that very often. 
We certainly don't, and I have a lot of confidence in the DA's office, this will be done right.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Shell on March 03, 2010, 06:59:31 PM

Video about the couple who reported the sedan in park close to Ambers school

Also talks about the problems tracking RSO's

http://www.10news.com/video/22718463/index.html


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: SunnyinTX on March 03, 2010, 07:00:06 PM
Yesterday I posted a few of the missing persons that happened recently. There was a lot of activity in January. I think there 4 or 5 girls went missing in the riverside and san diego area? To me it seemed like a lot.
The sheriff did say yesterday as well they were going back 18 months and revisiting old cases. Of course this needs to be done in all counties and area's. I hope the FBI is in on this.
I do not have a good feeling about Amber, I hate to say that.

What I don't understand, is why are they  only going back 18 months? He had been out of prison longer than that...18 months would have been when his parole was up. Why not go back to cases from the time he was released from prison?

hi Shell, yes WHY???


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: SunnyinTX on March 03, 2010, 07:02:21 PM
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KGTV (10) local news just said (prior to arraignment) that JAG's mom and step dad left down yesterday.

They are stepping up patrols in the neighborhood from fears of other neighbors.
(That area where his mom and step dad live have many townhomes all in a row - on several streets actually - that basically look alike, so I can see how that adds to their fears if someone were angry about what happened that things could be targeted against the wrong home.

Things are being very tightfly controlled in the courthouse.

There is a separate courtroom for the media - with 18 different news outlets there!

They are one courtroom upstairs and then the relevant people (DA, etc.) will be brought down to speak to the media.  (from WS)

thanks nrcg...........glad to hear about the security stepd being taken


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: SunnyinTX on March 03, 2010, 07:03:40 PM
http://www.10news.com/video/15013365/index.html

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub8/court1.jpg)

thanks Klaas...........


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: SunnyinTX on March 03, 2010, 07:06:26 PM
http://www.10news.com/video/15013365/index.html

The King family has just been escorted into the courtroom

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub8/court2.jpg)

This has to be one of the strongest families I have ever seen......GOOD FOR THE PROTESTERS THERE.......... I can't view the videos.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: SunnyinTX on March 03, 2010, 07:09:32 PM
No bail - no evidence released today.  Pleaded not guilty.  Prelim hearing March 18th:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub8/court5.jpg)

thanks Klass..........I don't think I could control myself if I was that female officer ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Shell on March 03, 2010, 07:10:21 PM

The man in the interview said that the person they reported and they think it wa sprobably Gardner, was so creepy, that he could not sleep that night.

He gave police a description of car, and license number even.

Once Garner got off parole, he could go and do what he pleased. That is so scarey. That means these predators off of parole can do as they please.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Shell on March 03, 2010, 07:10:48 PM

The man in the interview said that the person they reported and they think it wa sprobably Gardner, was so creepy, that he could not sleep that night.

He gave police a description of car, and license number even.

Once Garner got off parole, he could go and do what he pleased. That is so scarey. That means these predators off of parole can do as they please.

link again

http://www.10news.com/video/22718463/index.html


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: SunnyinTX on March 03, 2010, 07:12:35 PM
Amber's dad says this day is about Chelsea, wants to keep the focus on Chelsea but is grateful for the chance to talk about Amber. Acknowledges he had seen JAG on the RSO list but was informed by LE they could not follow him or check up on him, that's LE's job.

thanks for the update ........Bless his heart............well LE obviously didn't do their job and now Chelsea is dead ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: SunnyinTX on March 03, 2010, 07:13:23 PM
It is amazing to me that Chelsea was out running just a week ago tomorrow, and this happened.  LE now has found her body, and has the murderer in custody and charged.  All in less than a week.  We certainly do not see that very often. 

Hi AZ...no we don't..but we should!!


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: SunnyinTX on March 03, 2010, 07:16:13 PM

The man in the interview said that the person they reported and they think it wa sprobably Gardner, was so creepy, that he could not sleep that night.

He gave police a description of car, and license number even.

Once Garner got off parole, he could go and do what he pleased. That is so scarey. That means these predators off of parole can do as they please.

link again

http://www.10news.com/video/22718463/index.html

thanks Shell..this video I was able to watch...the links Klaas posted I couldn't...I need to install something


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Shell on March 03, 2010, 07:17:22 PM
Mama owns 17559 Martinal Road based on the pictures this morning from the graffiti on her garage door. Business out of that address is Baba Pictures, LLC

http://local.botw.org/California/San_Diego/Baba_Pictures2c_LLC/143760896.html

Brin Oreilly
Title and Company:
Member at Baba Pictures
Address:
17559 Matinal Road
San Diego, Ca 93370


Brin Oreilly's Biography
Brin O'Reilly, Ph.D.is our visionary and the"BaBa" of BabaPictures. Her CV includes: Editor of the medical journal 'Contemporary Surgery', Journalist and licensed clinical Counselor. Her Ph.D. thesis 'The Therapeutic Memoir Technique' studied the enlightening role of family photographs in exploring life experience. Brin is a member of the Association of Personal Historians. She is one of eight kids. As a mother of three, she's known to her grandchildren as"BaBa". brin@babapictures.com Kevin O'Reilly, Ph.D.is our digital photo and video editor. As an Adobe Certified Expert in Photoshop CS, Kevin provides comprehensive technical expertise in digital imaging. Kevin also shoots, edits and produces our video interviews and DVD Family Documentaries. He is an active member of the National Association of Photoshop Professionals and the Association of Personal Historians. kevin@babapictures.com Ron O'Reilly. In his thirty-five years of clinical radiology practice, Ron witnessed first hand the vital importance of "image quality". He has been an avid Photoshop user since 1991 and is an active member of the National Association of Photoshop Professionals. He is currently Visiting Professor of Radiologic Sciences at Boise State University where he brings the power of Photoshop into the university classroom. Ron has recently been named to the photo restoration team of "OPERATION PHOTO RESCUE", a volunteer organization working to restore the thousands of family photographs damaged in the Katrina hurricane.ron@babapictures.com

http://www.spoke.com/info/pFduYs4/BrinOreilly

http://www.babapictures.com/homepage.html






Brin O'Reilly, Ph.D.is our visionary and the"BaBa" of BabaPictures. Her CV includes: Editor of the medical journal 'Contemporary Surgery', Journalist and liscensed clinical counselor Counselor. Her Ph.D. thesis 'The Therapeutic Memoir Technique' studied the


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: SunnyinTX on March 03, 2010, 07:17:59 PM
It is amazing to me that Chelsea was out running just a week ago tomorrow, and this happened.  LE now has found her body, and has the murderer in custody and charged.  All in less than a week.  We certainly do not see that very often. 

We certainly don't, and I have a lot of confidence in the DA's office, this will be done right.

mrcg, I am really glad to read you have that kind of confidence......Chelsea and her parents deserve it.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: bananas on March 03, 2010, 07:19:20 PM
It is amazing to me that Chelsea was out running just a week ago tomorrow, and this happened.  LE now has found her body, and has the murderer in custody and charged.  All in less than a week.  We certainly do not see that very often. 

Hi AZ...no we don't..but we should!!

Yes we should!  It is high time we returned to being outraged and taking care of business.  Enough of this walking around on eggshells to protect the rights of these beasts.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Shell on March 03, 2010, 07:23:20 PM

I am still hearing low flying helicopters-wonder what's up with that


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Tracygirl on March 03, 2010, 07:24:53 PM
No bail - no evidence released today.  Pleaded not guilty.  Prelim hearing March 18th:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub8/court5.jpg)

thanks Klass..........I don't think I could control myself if I was that female officer ::MonkeyMad::

Sociopath...He is very scary. Did you see his eyes? He doesn't look scared or worried, he looks pissed off like a chained animal. It is no wonder the couple said he was creepy, he is!


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Tracygirl on March 03, 2010, 07:30:16 PM

The man in the interview said that the person they reported and they think it wa sprobably Gardner, was so creepy, that he could not sleep that night.

He gave police a description of car, and license number even.

Once Garner got off parole, he could go and do what he pleased. That is so scarey. That means these predators off of parole can do as they please.

I am sure Gardner didn't care if he was on parole or not. They don't really do anything other then checking in once per year or as advised by their probation officer. I think they need to go back and look at the missing person cases in all of the area's he has lived in back to lets say, 1994 or 1995. Something is telling me once puberty hit he was off.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: klaasend on March 03, 2010, 07:35:11 PM

I am still hearing low flying helicopters-wonder what's up with that

Let us know if you hear anything on your local news!


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 03, 2010, 07:46:57 PM

The man in the interview said that the person they reported and they think it wa sprobably Gardner, was so creepy, that he could not sleep that night.

He gave police a description of car, and license number even.

Once Garner got off parole, he could go and do what he pleased. That is so scarey. That means these predators off of parole can do as they please.
I watched that video a couple of times and the gentleman was very freaked out by it all  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Edward on March 03, 2010, 08:07:16 PM
If you were him and got away with another kidnap murder and disposal..would you take this new victim to the same area as you did before ??


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 03, 2010, 08:08:22 PM
  http://www.10news.com/download/2010/0303/22733356.pdf              Formal complaint just released.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: klaasend on March 03, 2010, 08:17:50 PM
  http://www.10news.com/download/2010/0303/22733356.pdf              Formal complaint just released.

Three strikes so he'll get life in prison at the least.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: cw618 on March 03, 2010, 08:18:20 PM
Looks like Baba's maiden name is O'Reilly and the Ron from Babas Pictures is her brother Ron.

Anna Mae O’Reilly Memorial Scholarship
 
Anna Mae O'Reilly, a dedicated 6th grade teacher, inspired her students to learn and to acquire a strong foundation in education. Entering her “no-nonsense” classroom, students were recipients of her integrity, caring and professional excellence. Through the years, she received countless letters from former students relating their progress, sharing family photographs, and expressing their appreciation. We honor Mother and Grandmother, Anna Mae O'Reilly, by honoring students who demonstrate enthusiasm for the opportunity to attend Boise State University, and are committed to furthering their education: Ronald O'Reilly, M.D.; Kevin O'Reilly, Ph.D.; Brin OO'Reilly, Ph.D.; Kirk O'Reilly, Ph.D.; Tara O'Reilly, Ph.D., and Molly, Gage, and Olivia Mae O'Reilly.

http://hs.boisestate.edu/scholarships.shtml



angry neighbors vid
http://www.10news.com/video/22718463/index.html

i think the anger from the neighbors, is because they feel betrayed
by who they thought were/are, well educated, and upstanding neighbor
i understand that parents are blinded by the love for their child
sometimes, so maybe they thought all is well with JAG, since he has not
been in trouble. even most of the medical community, cant agree if its
possible for an S.O. to reform
is there away to counsel a neighborhood.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: klaasend on March 03, 2010, 08:18:35 PM
If you were him and got away with another kidnap murder and disposal..would you take this new victim to the same area as you did before ??


Yes, I would go to the same area.  They need to look for Amber in that vicinity.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Tracygirl on March 03, 2010, 08:27:02 PM
If you were him and got away with another kidnap murder and disposal..would you take this new victim to the same area as you did before ??

I think it is possible and I agree, they need to search for Amber as well there.
I wonder if he took Amber to the townhouse as he did with the 13 year old. (that is right, isn't it? he took the 13 year old to his moms?)


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 03, 2010, 08:30:14 PM
If you were him and got away with another kidnap murder and disposal..would you take this new victim to the same area as you did before ??

I think it is possible and I agree, they need to search for Amber as well there.
I wonder if he took Amber to the townhouse as he did with the 13 year old. (that is right, isn't it? he took the 13 year old to his moms?)
Yes he did, and I wouldn't be surprised that if he is responsible for taking Amber she may also be in the area somewhere around where Chelsea was found.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Tracygirl on March 03, 2010, 08:32:24 PM
I think they should check the Desmonden(spelling??) park as well. It is close to where he would have kidnapped her, it is the same type of area.

I am watching Nancy Grace right now and she is talking about the mug shot. The one I keep seeing is the same one from the RSO list. Is there a new mug shot? Why can't I find it?


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: numbersgirl on March 03, 2010, 08:35:13 PM
Hi Monkeys.  A big thank you to all Monkeys who have been information forward.  It's much appreciated.   ::MonkeyAngel::

On the subject of parents of these monsters...I can't imagine the heartache and terror parents must feel when they suspect their loved one has committed such a heinous crime, but, in the case of JAG, his mother has been living this nightmare for years. IMO, she knows her son.  I'm going to hold out hope that she's cooperating with LE. 


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 03, 2010, 08:35:15 PM
I think they should check the Desmonden(spelling??) park as well. It is close to where he would have kidnapped her, it is the same type of area.

I am watching Nancy Grace right now and she is talking about the mug shot. The one I keep seeing is the same one from the RSO list. Is there a new mug shot? Why can't I find it?
I thought that pic was also from the RSO list, I haven't seen his mug shot.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 03, 2010, 08:36:06 PM
Hi Monkeys.  A big thank you to all Monkeys who have been information forward.  It's much appreciated.   ::MonkeyAngel::

On the subject of parents of these monsters...I can't imagine the heartache and terror parents must feel when they suspect their loved one has committed such a heinous crime, but, in the case of JAG, his mother has been living this nightmare for years. IMO, she knows her son.  I'm going to hold out hope that she's cooperating with LE. 
I was also, but she and her husband it has been reported have left town.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: SunnyinTX on March 03, 2010, 08:38:54 PM

I am still hearing low flying helicopters-wonder what's up with that

Shell, did you ever find out what this was about?


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: mizjay on March 03, 2010, 08:39:18 PM
If you were him and got away with another kidnap murder and disposal..would you take this new victim to the same area as you did before ??

I think it is possible and I agree, they need to search for Amber as well there.
I wonder if he took Amber to the townhouse as he did with the 13 year old. (that is right, isn't it? he took the 13 year old to his moms?)
Yes he did, and I wouldn't be surprised that if he is responsible for taking Amber she may also be in the area somewhere around where Chelsea was found.
It's really too bad that all RSO's who have violence associated with their crime (which would be most) don't have to wear a GPS monitor as a condition of release. Then at least if LE could check their locations when anything like this happens. 


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: numbersgirl on March 03, 2010, 08:39:40 PM
I was not aware of that No Rose.  I can understand them leaving their home at this time; but if they're not helping LE, then I'm disappointed.   ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: SunnyinTX on March 03, 2010, 08:41:33 PM
Hi Monkeys.  A big thank you to all Monkeys who have been information forward.  It's much appreciated.   ::MonkeyAngel::

On the subject of parents of these monsters...I can't imagine the heartache and terror parents must feel when they suspect their loved one has committed such a heinous crime, but, in the case of JAG, his mother has been living this nightmare for years. IMO, she knows her son.  I'm going to hold out hope that she's cooperating with LE. 
I was also, but she and her husband it has been reported have left town.

thanks...I hadn't heard that. I sure hope she told the LE everything she knew and I hope Le knows where she is.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: SunnyinTX on March 03, 2010, 08:46:44 PM
Fox in Houston runs this every week....I think every newspaper in the country should start putting these animals pictures and info out...people have a right to know!  Sorry I can't post the pictures....

http://webmail.aol.com/30746-111/aol-1/en-us/Suite.aspx

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Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 03, 2010, 08:47:57 PM
Sunny, I think that is an excellent idea.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: cw618 on March 03, 2010, 08:49:19 PM
Amber Dubois' father reacts at Gardner's arraignment

4:39 PM
 By City News Service


http://www.delmartimes.net/news/266632-amber-dubois-father-reacts-at-gardners-arraignment


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 03, 2010, 08:54:53 PM
I was not aware of that No Rose.  I can understand them leaving their home at this time; but if they're not helping LE, then I'm disappointed.   ::MonkeyNoNo::
I can't answer if they helped LE at all, that I haven't heard.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: darla on March 03, 2010, 08:55:52 PM
Good Evening Monkeys and Guest!

That pic of JAG in court in so chilling. That is the face of pure evil.

Thanks to all for all the links and info posted.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 03, 2010, 08:56:11 PM
Amber Dubois' father reacts at Gardner's arraignment

4:39 PM
 By City News Service


http://www.delmartimes.net/news/266632-amber-dubois-father-reacts-at-gardners-arraignment
I pray the family gets some answers very soon  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: cookie on March 03, 2010, 08:57:09 PM
Good Evening Monkeys and Guest!

That pic of JAG in court in so chilling. That is the face of pure evil.

Thanks to all for all the links and info posted.

agree!


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: SunnyinTX on March 03, 2010, 09:05:17 PM
This afternoon I checked to see how many sex offenders were in my area. Fortunately I love in a small town with lots of space around us. I found 7 within a 5 mile radius. I printed off all the information on all 5 (one is a woman), I printed off the information on all of them, made copies for the other 17 houses near me and distributed them to each house. I talked with those I could and left information for those not at home. I encouraged everyone to make copies and distribute to family and friends, schools and churches. this weekend I am going to go to the Elks club and post the information there. Kids play on the softball field there, sometimes late during the summer. If everyone will do a little we can hopefully ensure everyone in our little community will be aware of the animals living in our mist. Tomorrow I plan to post the information on the bulletin board at the state park just up the hiway and the county parks...all of which have trails where people run and walk and walk their children and their dogs......mile trail....often early in the morning......I asked everyone to do this for Chelsea

I need to do something to help ensure Chelsea's death has some meaning.



Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: cw618 on March 03, 2010, 09:06:09 PM
  http://www.10news.com/download/2010/0303/22733356.pdf              Formal complaint just released.

TY


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: numbersgirl on March 03, 2010, 09:10:47 PM
This afternoon I checked to see how many sex offenders were in my area. Fortunately I love in a small town with lots of space around us. I found 7 within a 5 mile radius. I printed off all the information on all 5 (one is a woman), I printed off the information on all of them, made copies for the other 17 houses near me and distributed them to each house. I talked with those I could and left information for those not at home. I encouraged everyone to make copies and distribute to family and friends, schools and churches. this weekend I am going to go to the Elks club and post the information there. Kids play on the softball field there, sometimes late during the summer. If everyone will do a little we can hopefully ensure everyone in our little community will be aware of the animals living in our mist. Tomorrow I plan to post the information on the bulletin board at the state park just up the hiway and the county parks...all of which have trails where people run and walk and walk their children and their dogs......mile trail....often early in the morning......I asked everyone to do this for Chelsea

I need to do something to help ensure Chelsea's death has some meaning.





Sunny, this is a terrific idea.  I live in a condo and I will research SO's in my community and distribute info to all my condo neighbors.  Thanks for the idea.  I will do it to honor Chelsea.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: darla on March 03, 2010, 09:11:16 PM
A few pages back Northern Rose(I think) posted info on JAG's mother. Everyone in that Family seems to have PHd's and it was listing all the children and grandchildren of this Anna O"Reilly.....Where does JAG fit into this family? His name was not mentioned as a grandchild.

I am wondering if he moved into the home with his mother when they moved to the current address. IIRC they have been there about 10 yrs.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Tracygirl on March 03, 2010, 09:12:43 PM
Larry king on right now talking about the case. Ambers family will be on as well


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 03, 2010, 09:17:34 PM
This afternoon I checked to see how many sex offenders were in my area. Fortunately I love in a small town with lots of space around us. I found 7 within a 5 mile radius. I printed off all the information on all 5 (one is a woman), I printed off the information on all of them, made copies for the other 17 houses near me and distributed them to each house. I talked with those I could and left information for those not at home. I encouraged everyone to make copies and distribute to family and friends, schools and churches. this weekend I am going to go to the Elks club and post the information there. Kids play on the softball field there, sometimes late during the summer. If everyone will do a little we can hopefully ensure everyone in our little community will be aware of the animals living in our mist. Tomorrow I plan to post the information on the bulletin board at the state park just up the hiway and the county parks...all of which have trails where people run and walk and walk their children and their dogs......mile trail....often early in the morning......I asked everyone to do this for Chelsea

I need to do something to help ensure Chelsea's death has some meaning.


That is a great idea  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: cookie on March 03, 2010, 09:34:04 PM
This afternoon I checked to see how many sex offenders were in my area. Fortunately I love in a small town with lots of space around us. I found 7 within a 5 mile radius. I printed off all the information on all 5 (one is a woman), I printed off the information on all of them, made copies for the other 17 houses near me and distributed them to each house. I talked with those I could and left information for those not at home. I encouraged everyone to make copies and distribute to family and friends, schools and churches. this weekend I am going to go to the Elks club and post the information there. Kids play on the softball field there, sometimes late during the summer. If everyone will do a little we can hopefully ensure everyone in our little community will be aware of the animals living in our mist. Tomorrow I plan to post the information on the bulletin board at the state park just up the hiway and the county parks...all of which have trails where people run and walk and walk their children and their dogs......mile trail....often early in the morning......I asked everyone to do this for Chelsea

I need to do something to help ensure Chelsea's death has some meaning.



this is a great idea! everyone should do that...applause to you!
I check all the time for pervs in my neighborhood and in my grand daughter's neighborhoods...I try to stay on top of this..
this only tells us the registered pervs, however, we can't do anything about the pervs who visit in different neighborhoods with family or friends...what can we do to improve this? like Couey for instance...who murdered Jessica Lunsford...he wasn't supposed to be where he was either!  ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: bananas on March 03, 2010, 09:34:47 PM
I am proud to be in the company of such noble and smart monkeys.  Thanks to all my fellow monkeys for all you do.
 ::MonkeyBike::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Shell on March 03, 2010, 09:43:50 PM

I am still hearing low flying helicopters-wonder what's up with that

Shell, did you ever find out what this was about?

No, I didn't...but, we are on the flight path of Miramar af base and maybe I am just more in tune to the sound of the helicopters this week, knowing what was going on.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Northern Rose on March 03, 2010, 09:47:01 PM
Hi Monkeys.  A big thank you to all Monkeys who have been information forward.  It's much appreciated.   ::MonkeyAngel::

On the subject of parents of these monsters...I can't imagine the heartache and terror parents must feel when they suspect their loved one has committed such a heinous crime, but, in the case of JAG, his mother has been living this nightmare for years. IMO, she knows her son.  I'm going to hold out hope that she's cooperating with LE. 
I was also, but she and her husband it has been reported have left town.

I found an address for her in Boise ID. Coincindentally the second location of Baba Pictures is there as well. 


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 03, 2010, 09:49:45 PM
Hi Monkeys.  A big thank you to all Monkeys who have been information forward.  It's much appreciated.   ::MonkeyAngel::

On the subject of parents of these monsters...I can't imagine the heartache and terror parents must feel when they suspect their loved one has committed such a heinous crime, but, in the case of JAG, his mother has been living this nightmare for years. IMO, she knows her son.  I'm going to hold out hope that she's cooperating with LE. 
I was also, but she and her husband it has been reported have left town.

I found an address for her in Boise ID. Coincindentally the second location of Baba Pictures is there as well. 
Thanks, maybe that is where she and her husband went.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Northern Rose on March 03, 2010, 09:52:56 PM
A few pages back Northern Rose(I think) posted info on JAG's mother. Everyone in that Family seems to have PHd's and it was listing all the children and grandchildren of this Anna O"Reilly.....Where does JAG fit into this family? His name was not mentioned as a grandchild.

I am wondering if he moved into the home with his mother when they moved to the current address. IIRC they have been there about 10 yrs.

Dr. Barbara (Brin) O'Reilly is the daughter of Anna.  Brin is the owner of the house that the garage was spray painted and has the business Baba Pictures from that address.  The bio for Brin on Baba Pictures website states she is one of 8 children.  There are 8 names listed for Anne including Brin's.  I am assuming Anna was her mother and the other 7 names are Brin's siblings.  No grand children were listed. 


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Shell on March 03, 2010, 10:02:47 PM

Does anybody remember..off the top of their head...where the location of the cell phone of Ambers was when it was turned on the day after she disappeared?


Sunny, that is a great idea!



Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Cappuccino on March 03, 2010, 10:04:47 PM
This afternoon I checked to see how many sex offenders were in my area. Fortunately I love in a small town with lots of space around us. I found 7 within a 5 mile radius. I printed off all the information on all 5 (one is a woman), I printed off the information on all of them, made copies for the other 17 houses near me and distributed them to each house. I talked with those I could and left information for those not at home. I encouraged everyone to make copies and distribute to family and friends, schools and churches. this weekend I am going to go to the Elks club and post the information there. Kids play on the softball field there, sometimes late during the summer. If everyone will do a little we can hopefully ensure everyone in our little community will be aware of the animals living in our mist. Tomorrow I plan to post the information on the bulletin board at the state park just up the hiway and the county parks...all of which have trails where people run and walk and walk their children and their dogs......mile trail....often early in the morning......I asked everyone to do this for Chelsea

I need to do something to help ensure Chelsea's death has some meaning.



this is a great idea! everyone should do that...applause to you!
I check all the time for pervs in my neighborhood and in my grand daughter's neighborhoods...I try to stay on top of this..
this only tells us the registered pervs, however, we can't do anything about the pervs who visit in different neighborhoods with family or friends...what can we do to improve this? like Couey for instance...who murdered Jessica Lunsford...he wasn't supposed to be where he was either!  ::MonkeyMad::

Yup, this practice has been around for years so helping spread the word that others should join in the effort to keep our communities well informed & safe is an essential defense precaution to reduce these sick bassturds' opportunities to strike


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: AmandaReckonwith on March 03, 2010, 10:15:52 PM
A few pages back Northern Rose(I think) posted info on JAG's mother. Everyone in that Family seems to have PHd's and it was listing all the children and grandchildren of this Anna O"Reilly.....Where does JAG fit into this family? His name was not mentioned as a grandchild.

I am wondering if he moved into the home with his mother when they moved to the current address. IIRC they have been there about 10 yrs.

Dr. Barbara (Brin) O'Reilly is the daughter of Anna.  Brin is the owner of the house that the garage was spray painted and has the business Baba Pictures from that address.  The bio for Brin on Baba Pictures website states she is one of 8 children.  There are 8 names listed for Anne including Brin's.  I am assuming Anna was her mother and the other 7 names are Brin's siblings.  No grand children were listed. 

I found a pic of Brin and Ron and it is a scholarship fund in Boise.
How sure are you that this is the right woman? The info is the same about her.
I'm afraid to ID her and then have to retract, kwim.

(http://i45.tinypic.com/111rnrp.jpg)


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: AZSunny on March 03, 2010, 10:22:13 PM
A few pages back Northern Rose(I think) posted info on JAG's mother. Everyone in that Family seems to have PHd's and it was listing all the children and grandchildren of this Anna O"Reilly.....Where does JAG fit into this family? His name was not mentioned as a grandchild.

I am wondering if he moved into the home with his mother when they moved to the current address. IIRC they have been there about 10 yrs.

Dr. Barbara (Brin) O'Reilly is the daughter of Anna.  Brin is the owner of the house that the garage was spray painted and has the business Baba Pictures from that address.  The bio for Brin on Baba Pictures website states she is one of 8 children.  There are 8 names listed for Anne including Brin's.  I am assuming Anna was her mother and the other 7 names are Brin's siblings.  No grand children were listed. 

I found a pic of Brin and Ron and it is a scholarship fund in Boise.
How sure are you that this is the right woman? The info is the same about her.
I'm afraid to ID her and then have to retract, kwim.

(http://i45.tinypic.com/111rnrp.jpg)

So this is his mother and stepfather???


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: AmandaReckonwith on March 03, 2010, 10:24:27 PM
According to the other article, they are siblings?

I am confused.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Northern Rose on March 03, 2010, 10:40:29 PM
A few pages back Northern Rose(I think) posted info on JAG's mother. Everyone in that Family seems to have PHd's and it was listing all the children and grandchildren of this Anna O"Reilly.....Where does JAG fit into this family? His name was not mentioned as a grandchild.

I am wondering if he moved into the home with his mother when they moved to the current address. IIRC they have been there about 10 yrs.

Dr. Barbara (Brin) O'Reilly is the daughter of Anna.  Brin is the owner of the house that the garage was spray painted and has the business Baba Pictures from that address.  The bio for Brin on Baba Pictures website states she is one of 8 children.  There are 8 names listed for Anne including Brin's.  I am assuming Anna was her mother and the other 7 names are Brin's siblings.  No grand children were listed. 

I found a pic of Brin and Ron and it is a scholarship fund in Boise.
How sure are you that this is the right woman? The info is the same about her.
I'm afraid to ID her and then have to retract, kwim.

(http://i45.tinypic.com/111rnrp.jpg)

The house that has been identified in the media as JAG's mother and Step father's and had the garage door graffitied this morning is 17559 Matinal Road.  This is the same address that Baba Pictures LLC is listed at. If you look at the website for BabaPictures.com you will find Brin , Kevin and Ron O'Reilly.  I have not seen in print the name of Jag's parents but that is his mother's house.  They could be tenants that run a business out of the house, it is possible, but neighbours have said to the media that JAG's mother has lived there for 10 years.

 (http://www.babapictures.com/images/429_babapictures_staff.jpg)


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: klaasend on March 03, 2010, 10:41:35 PM
According to the other article, they are siblings?

I am confused.

It appears that business with those people running it is listed at THAT address and that is the address of the graffiti.  Whether that is Gardner's mom or not I'm not sure. 


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: klaasend on March 03, 2010, 10:45:26 PM
17559 Martinal Road, San Diego, CA

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub8/17559house.jpg)

Reverse phone lookup:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub8/17559.jpg)


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: bananas on March 03, 2010, 11:13:28 PM
What does the parents business have to do with anything?


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: AmandaReckonwith on March 03, 2010, 11:18:02 PM
Thanks!

I saw a real estate site today that (I think) said they bought the home in 1998 but I didn't save that.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: klaasend on March 03, 2010, 11:20:44 PM
What does the parents business have to do with anything?

Nothing really the business and the names came up as located at that address is all.  It appears that at least Gardner's mom has protected her son and also allowed him to live in that home without the authorities knowing where he was.  In other words she was spoiling her son who is a monster.  If the mom is O'Reilly and she is a PHD then IMO that is even worse.  There is no proof that O'Reilly is the mom though, only that they appear to own the property the mom is supposed to own.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: klaasend on March 03, 2010, 11:21:17 PM
Thanks!

I saw a real estate site today that (I think) said they bought the home in 1998 but I didn't save that.

Yes, I saw 98 too.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: bananas on March 03, 2010, 11:30:10 PM
What does the parents business have to do with anything?

Nothing really the business and the names came up as located at that address is all.  It appears that at least Gardner's mom has protected her son and also allowed him to live in that home without the authorities knowing where he was.  In other words she was spoiling her son who is a monster.  If the mom is O'Reilly and she is a PHD then IMO that is even worse.  There is no proof that O'Reilly is the mom though, only that they appear to own the property the mom is supposed to own.

I agree the son is a horrific monster, but am not sure dragging the parents and their business through the mud accomplishes anything.  Nothing wrong with the business.  It is a photo restoration business.  Being into family history, I have had a few old photos retouched.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: klaasend on March 03, 2010, 11:42:37 PM
What does the parents business have to do with anything?

Nothing really the business and the names came up as located at that address is all.  It appears that at least Gardner's mom has protected her son and also allowed him to live in that home without the authorities knowing where he was.  In other words she was spoiling her son who is a monster.  If the mom is O'Reilly and she is a PHD then IMO that is even worse.  There is no proof that O'Reilly is the mom though, only that they appear to own the property the mom is supposed to own.

I agree the son is a horrific monster, but am not sure dragging the parents and their business through the mud accomplishes anything.  Nothing wrong with the business.  It is a photo restoration business.  Being into family history, I have had a few old photos retouched.

Good point but I'm not sure how posting the name of who is listed at that address equates to "dragging them through the mud".  It just so happens that THAT business for THOSE people is listed at THAT address that the media claims is owned by Gardner's parents.  But posting it isn't dragging anyone through the mud.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: bananas on March 03, 2010, 11:43:26 PM
I am glad they have this monster off the streets.  Following this case all day has made me quite emotional.  If my comments offended anyone.... my apologies... I am exhausted.... calling it a night.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: bananas on March 03, 2010, 11:45:02 PM
What does the parents business have to do with anything?

Nothing really the business and the names came up as located at that address is all.  It appears that at least Gardner's mom has protected her son and also allowed him to live in that home without the authorities knowing where he was.  In other words she was spoiling her son who is a monster.  If the mom is O'Reilly and she is a PHD then IMO that is even worse.  There is no proof that O'Reilly is the mom though, only that they appear to own the property the mom is supposed to own.

I agree the son is a horrific monster, but am not sure dragging the parents and their business through the mud accomplishes anything.  Nothing wrong with the business.  It is a photo restoration business.  Being into family history, I have had a few old photos retouched.

Good point but I'm not sure how posting the name of who is listed at that address equates to "dragging them through the mud".  It just so happens that THAT business for THOSE people is listed at THAT address that the media claims is owned by Gardner's parents.  But posting it isn't dragging anyone through the mud.

Klaas, sorry, I am very tired... earlier someone was making remarks about the business and it just seems irrelevant to me.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: klaasend on March 03, 2010, 11:47:44 PM
No worries Bananas, I think this case has gotten to all of us.



Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: sebastian on March 03, 2010, 11:53:35 PM
A few pages back Northern Rose(I think) posted info on JAG's mother. Everyone in that Family seems to have PHd's and it was listing all the children and grandchildren of this Anna O"Reilly.....Where does JAG fit into this family? His name was not mentioned as a grandchild.

I am wondering if he moved into the home with his mother when they moved to the current address. IIRC they have been there about 10 yrs.

Dr. Barbara (Brin) O'Reilly is the daughter of Anna.  Brin is the owner of the house that the garage was spray painted and has the business Baba Pictures from that address.  The bio for Brin on Baba Pictures website states she is one of 8 children.  There are 8 names listed for Anne including Brin's.  I am assuming Anna was her mother and the other 7 names are Brin's siblings.  No grand children were listed. 

I found a pic of Brin and Ron and it is a scholarship fund in Boise.
How sure are you that this is the right woman? The info is the same about her.
I'm afraid to ID her and then have to retract, kwim.
((edit out photo))

The house that has been identified in the media as JAG's mother and Step father's and had the garage door graffitied this morning is 17559 Matinal Road.  This is the same address that Baba Pictures LLC is listed at. If you look at the website for BabaPictures.com you will find Brin , Kevin and Ron O'Reilly.  I have not seen in print the name of Jag's parents but that is his mother's house.  They could be tenants that run a business out of the house, it is possible, but neighbours have said to the media that JAG's mother has lived there for 10 years.

((edit out photo))

I found JAG's birth record. These names are NOT the same ones on his birth record. I am afraid to post because I do not want any crazy person to go after the parents. I have no idea who the O'Reilly's are. You have my email klaas. You can email me and I will send you a copy.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: darla on March 04, 2010, 12:18:28 AM
17559 Martinal Road, San Diego, CA

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub8/17559house.jpg)

Reverse phone lookup:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub8/17559.jpg)




Klaas...In the little white box at the top of the photo it has 17534 as the address.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: sebastian on March 04, 2010, 12:35:40 AM
I have never seen the citizens of San Diego county so angry! If this video has already posted, I apologize. It has graphic language.

http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local-beat/Neighbors_Confront_Men_Painting_Over_Vandal_s_Threat_San_Diego.html


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: klaasend on March 04, 2010, 12:55:29 AM
I have never seen the citizens of San Diego county so angry! If this video has already posted, I apologize. It has graphic language.

http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local-beat/Neighbors_Confront_Men_Painting_Over_Vandal_s_Threat_San_Diego.html

Right and at that address, which you can see in my photo 17559 the photo place and O'Reilly's are listed.  I'm not saying they are his mom and stepdad, just saying that business and their names come up for the address that is supposed to be owned by his mom.  Maybe she has rented it out?


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: klaasend on March 04, 2010, 12:58:05 AM
17559 Martinal Road, San Diego, CA

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub8/17559house.jpg)

Reverse phone lookup:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub8/17559.jpg)




Klaas...In the little white box at the top of the photo it has 17534 as the address.

Yes Darla but you can see the address on the gate 17559 which is where the graffiti was

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub8/babanews.jpg)


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: darla on March 04, 2010, 01:07:56 AM
Oh ok I see it now....sorry.My eye site is not the best in the world.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Northern Rose on March 04, 2010, 01:20:25 AM
POWAY: Gardner assigned experienced defenders
Public defense attorney Michael J. Popkins also adjunct law professor

The registered sex offender charged with killing Chelsea King will be represented by two attorneys from the San Diego County public defender's office.

The lead defense attorney on the case is Deputy Public Defender Michael J. Popkins, who has more than three decades of experience as an attorney.

Popkins supervises one of the teams of public defenders who often handle clients in high-profile homicide cases. In recent years, he represented Kaijamar "Kai" Carpenter, who a judge found was legally insane when Carpenter killed his educator mother in her Chula Vista home in 2007.

He has also spent the last year moonlighting as an adjunct professor at the California Western School of Law in downtown San Diego, where he teaches trial and courtroom skills to students.

Popkins earned his undergraduate degree at Villanova University in Pennsylvania, earned his law degree at the University of San Diego School of Law, and joined the state bar in 1976, according to the California state bar Web site.

Also assigned to the case is Deputy Public Defender Mel Epley, who has been an attorney since 1989.

Among his recent cases, Epley represented Dragon Jones, who earned the moniker "Backroom Bandit" for a crime spree in which he robbed 20 San Diego County businesses inside of a month, often threatening to shoot the lone female employee in the store. Jones pleaded guilty in January and was sentenced to 14 years in prison.

Epley earned his undergraduate degree at San Diego State University, and then earned his law degree at the University of San Diego School of Law, the state bar Web site states.

http://www.nctimes.com/news/local/poway/article_b4d02725-3ed0-595b-961b-f082bfb616a8.html


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: sebastian on March 04, 2010, 01:51:36 AM
POWAY: Gardner assigned experienced defenders
Public defense attorney Michael J. Popkins also adjunct law professor

The registered sex offender charged with killing Chelsea King will be represented by two attorneys from the San Diego County public defender's office.

The lead defense attorney on the case is Deputy Public Defender Michael J. Popkins, who has more than three decades of experience as an attorney.

Popkins supervises one of the teams of public defenders who often handle clients in high-profile homicide cases. In recent years, he represented Kaijamar "Kai" Carpenter, who a judge found was legally insane when Carpenter killed his educator mother in her Chula Vista home in 2007.

He has also spent the last year moonlighting as an adjunct professor at the California Western School of Law in downtown San Diego, where he teaches trial and courtroom skills to students.

Popkins earned his undergraduate degree at Villanova University in Pennsylvania, earned his law degree at the University of San Diego School of Law, and joined the state bar in 1976, according to the California state bar Web site.

Also assigned to the case is Deputy Public Defender Mel Epley, who has been an attorney since 1989.

Among his recent cases, Epley represented Dragon Jones, who earned the moniker "Backroom Bandit" for a crime spree in which he robbed 20 San Diego County businesses inside of a month, often threatening to shoot the lone female employee in the store. Jones pleaded guilty in January and was sentenced to 14 years in prison.

Epley earned his undergraduate degree at San Diego State University, and then earned his law degree at the University of San Diego School of Law, the state bar Web site states.

http://www.nctimes.com/news/local/poway/article_b4d02725-3ed0-595b-961b-f082bfb616a8.html

Hi Northern Rose,
It does not look like they are giving him public defenders fresh out of law school.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: sebastian on March 04, 2010, 01:52:46 AM
You have nanners tracygirl


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Tracygirl on March 04, 2010, 02:02:35 AM
I have never seen the citizens of San Diego county so angry! If this video has already posted, I apologize. It has graphic language.

http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local-beat/Neighbors_Confront_Men_Painting_Over_Vandal_s_Threat_San_Diego.html

Yikes! That was one mad person.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: sebastian on March 04, 2010, 02:05:35 AM
Hi Tracygirl,
I hate to confuse threads but could you go over to Amber's for a moment and see what I posted?


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: trimmonthelake on March 04, 2010, 06:04:36 AM
Prime News and Nancy Grace videos from 03/03/10
http://www.youtube.com/user/Sierra1947#p/u


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: trimmonthelake on March 04, 2010, 06:06:37 AM
http://www.wtol.com/Global/story.asp?S=12081609
Sex offender charged in Chelsea King case
Posted: Mar 04, 2010 4:11 AM CST Updated: Mar 04, 2010 4:44 AM CST
SAN DIEGO (AP) - A 30-year-old sex offender has been charged with murdering a 17-year-old San Diego County girl who vanished after heading off for a run in a park.

Prosecutors say John Albert Gardner III also faces a special allegation of rape or attempted rape, and a count of assault with intent to commit rape. An attorney entered pleas of not guilty on behalf of Gardner during his brief court appearance Wednesday.

Teenager Chelsea King was last seen alive on Thursday, and her car was found that night at a semirural park in northeastern San Diego. After a huge search, a body was found Tuesday in a grave by a lake, and authorities said they believed it was King, although positive identification is pending.

Gardner pleaded guilty in 2000 to molesting a 13-year-old neighbor girl.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: trimmonthelake on March 04, 2010, 06:14:47 AM
http://www.nationalenquirer.com/teen_chelsea_king_body_found_honor_student_suspect_/celebrity/68257
Published on: 03/03/2010
BODY FOUND IN SWAMP BELIEVED TO BE MISSING CHELSEA KING
(http://www.nationalenquirer.com/images/ne/209920/66904.jpg)
As thousands mourn, the key suspect in the case of a missing honor student in California, Chelsea King, will be arraigned today after the teen's remains were believed to be found in a shallow grave in a swamp.

The body of pretty teen has not been positively ID-ed but San Diego Sheriff William Gore indicated that it was probably the missing girl.

The grisly discovery was made two days after John Albert Gardner III, a 30 year old registered sex offender, was arrested on suspicion of rape in murder .
Fueled by a Help Find Chelsea King Facebook page with 77,000 fans hundreds helped in the frantic search for the straight-A Poway High School beauty.

Gardner, the suspect, had spent five years in prison after he was convicted a decade ago of during a 13 year old girl to his mother's town house with a promised Patch Adams viewing. After the teen escaped prosecutors locked the sex offender away on charges of molestation and attempted rape.

Chelsea's supposed remains were not far from the townhouse as well.

Gardner is also under investigation for the disappearance of Amber DuBois, 15, who vanished last February while walking to school.  She has not been found.

Brent King, Chelsea's grieving father, thanked the hundreds of supporters when a planned candle lit vigil for Chelsea turned sudden memorial after police broke the sad news.

"One of the nicknames that I've always called my daughter is my Angel," King said.
 "She's my angel forever."

http://www.youtube.com/v/zGODY01KpbM&hl=en_US&fs=1&color1=0x5d1719&color2=0xcd311b&border=1


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: San on March 04, 2010, 06:52:13 AM
(http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2010/CRIME/03/03/amber.dubois.chelsea.king/story.dubois.family.photo.jpg)

The mother of missing teen Amber DuBois says she knew that registered sex offender John Gardner lived nearby

Family fears Chelsea King suspect involved in daughter's disappearance
By Emanuella Grinberg, CNN
March 3, 2010 11:44 p.m. EST


http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/03/03/amber.dubois.chelsea.king/index.html?hpt=T1

(CNN) -- Carrie McGonigle doesn't want to believe that her missing daughter could be connected to a registered sex offender accused of killing a California teen.

"That would mean that she's dead, and I don't want to think that," said McGonigle, whose 14-year-old daughter, Amber DuBois, was last seen walking alone to school on February 13, 2009.


But authorities say they are looking into whether John Albert Gardner III, who pleaded not guilty Wednesday to raping and murdering Chelsea King, was involved in Amber's disappearance.

"We have been working closely with San Diego Sheriff's Office, and our investigators are working with theirs in case there is a connection," Lt. Robert Benton with the Escondido, California, Police Department said. "We are involved in the daily briefings on the King investigation."

Amber's father, Moe DuBois, attended Gardner's arraignment Wednesday.

"Just the similarities in our case, you know, if there is any connection to Mr. Gardner and our case, I want to be there for his prosecution and soon to be execution I would hope," DuBois told HLN's Nancy Grace.

Amber's family lives in the San Diego, California, suburb of Escondido, less than 10 miles from Poway High School, where King was last seen alive.

The shy, bookish teen was walking to Escondido High when she disappeared. She had a check in her backpack to buy a lamb for a Future Farmers of America project, according to her mother. But she never made it, and since then, investigators have been stymied by a lack of viable leads.

McGonigle says Gardner came up on her radar shortly after Amber disappeared, when she began looking up registered sex offenders in the area.

"One of the first things we did when we couldn't find her was look at the sex offenders in the area because we know that they have a history of repeated offenses," McGonigle said. "I didn't personally visit his home but one of our volunteers did, and we didn't find anything that raised suspicions."

Gardner is on California's sex offender registry for a conviction of lewd or lascivious acts with a child under 14, according to online records. He was also charged Wednesday with assault with intent to commit rape in connection with an attack on a jogger in December 2009.

A call to Gardner's public defender, Michael Popkins, was not immediately returned.

In addition to keeping the search going for her daughter, McGonigle has also become involved in educating parents and children on how to prevent abductions. She also spends time reaching out to parents of other missing children.

As soon as she learned of Chelsea's disappearance, McGonigle says she contacted Chelsea's parents and assisted in search efforts. Chelsea's car, with her cell phone inside, was found at the Rancho Bernardo Community Park, where she was known to go for runs.

"Ever since Amber went missing I've reached out to all the parents I possibly can because once it happens to you, it's going to be with you the rest of your life," she said. "It becomes your life. Supporting families, that's what it's all about. Even when we find Amber, I'll continue because I wouldn't want any other family to go through this."

Searchers found a body Tuesday that they believe to be King's, San Diego County Sheriff William Gore said at a news conference Tuesday. He said he expected a positive identification of the body to come this week.

To some in Amber's family, Chelsea's disappearance has other stinging implications.

"It's heartbreaking in another way because now we know of everything that was available to search for Amber but wasn't used," Sheila Welch said. "There weren't helicopters used with heat sensitivities, there weren't any dogs brought out for Amber, and now to know that's available, it's heartbreaking to think it wasn't used."

But Benton said investigators used all the resources available to them.

"We asked for and received the resources we needed at the time," he said. "As far as law enforcement is concerned, we had outstanding cooperation from local agencies, the FBI, the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children, and we had a significant amount of resources at our disposal."

Amber's mother has her doubts as to whether Gardner could actually be involved.

"I think the guy is too sloppy and that we would've found some evidence if he had taken Amber," she said. "But he never should have been out in public. If he were incarcerated, like he should have been, maybe Chelsea would be alive right now."


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: trimmonthelake on March 04, 2010, 09:14:41 AM
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/TheLaw/chelsea-king-case-outrage-sex-offenders-reaches-white/story?id=10006593

Chelsea King Case: Outrage Over Sex Offender Monitoring Reaches White House
John Walsh Said President Obama Vowed to Fund Federal Sex Offender Law


 By MIKE VON FREMD, RUSSELL GOLDMAN and SARAH NETTER
March 4, 2010
He was in court for just minutes, but even the mere sight of the convicted sex offender accused of raping and murdering 17-year-old Chelsea King set off a fresh round of outrage that reached as far as the White House.
John Albert Gardner III, 30, pleaded not guilty Wednesday, but the community obviously has a very different opinion.

In the hours before his court appearance in San Diego, someone spray painted his mother's garage with the words, "Chelsea's blood is on you -- move out." And neighbors screamed at two men who tried to paint over it.

"You're protecting somebody who has killed an innocent girl," one yelled. "Get out of here."
John Walsh, host of "America's Most Wanted," said he met with President Obama Wednesday to discuss child protection laws and funding for the Adam Walsh Act, signed three years ago by President George W. Bush.

The law promised to create a national registry of sex offenders and keep closer track of the most violent of them, but did not come with the money to implement the bill.

"President Obama said yesterday, 'As the father of two girls, John, I will get the Adam Walsh law funded,'" Walsh told "Good Morning America" today.

Walsh, whose 6-year-old son for whom the law is named and who was kidnapped and murdered in 1981, knows firsthand the grief King's parents are suffering.

"They're in the worst place a parent could be," he said. "They look in that courtroom and see a guy who should have never been out on the streets."

King, a well-liked honors student, vanished after heading out for a jog in a semi-rural San Diego County park. Her body was found less than a week later, buried in a shallow grave near the shore of Lake Hodges, about a half-mile from her car.

But the outrage grew with the arrest of Gardner, a known violent sex offender who has since been charged with the December assault and attempted rape of 22-year-old Candice Moncayo in the same park where King's body was found.

"I think everyone asks the same question," Walsh said. "Why was this animal out on the streets?
Residents Angry John Albert Gardner Was Allowed Out

"The law should be once you offend, you're done, you're toast, you're in the slammer or you are executed," one angry woman said as she stood among protestors outside the courthouse.

Former San Diego County District Attorney Paul Pfingst was slightly more objective.

"I am of the view that people who do harm to teenage girls should go to Gitmo and stay there for the rest of their lives and be waterboarded," he said.

Authorities say Gardner may also be linked to the February 2009 disappearance of 14-year-old Amber DuBois, who vanished on her way to school, not far from where Gardner was living at the time.

"The girls are the exact similar build," Maurice DuBois said of his daughter and King. "Both white girls, both five-five, both 130 pounds."

Detectives across California are now looking into other unsolved cases involving young girls and considering whether there are any more possible links to Gardner.
Gardner pleaded guilty in 2000 to charges of committing lewd and lascivious acts on 13-year-old girl in his parents' home. He served five years of a six-year sentence and was on parole until 2008.

In court Wednesday, Gardner was flanked by two court officers. His head was shaved and his hands were manacled around the waist of his blue prison jumpsuit.

Keeping his eyes down, Gardner, 30, simply answered "yes," to a question by the judge whether he understood the charges.

No bail was set and the prosecutor did not mention any of the details of the alleged crime. Gardner was assigned a public defender for the arraignment, but that lawyer may not represent him at trial.

Prosecutors said the severity of the accusations, including a "special allegation" that a murder was committed during a rape, could carry the death penalty. The decision to seek capital punishment, however, is weeks away.

"The special allegation does make the defendant eligible for the death penalty," Deputy District Attorney Kristen Spieler said at a press conference following the arraignment. "That decision is made by the D.A., typically after the preliminary hearing and before a trial."

If the district attorney does not seek the death penalty, the charges carry a penalty of 25 years to life.
Psychiatrist Tried to Argue Gardner Was 'Continued Danger to Underage Girls'

Gardner's prior record as a convicted sex offender, prosecutors said, would be presented at trial.
Court psychiatrist, Dr. Matthew Carroll, who evaluated Gardner before his release from prison on the 2000 conviction, had pushed for the maximum sentence, as many as 30 years, and said Gardner "would be a continued danger to underage girls in the community."

Dr. Alex Kalish, a colleague, said Carroll was angry that his recommendations were ignored a decade ago.

"Dr. Carroll told the court that [Gardner] showed no insight and expressed no responsibility and that he is a danger. You can't make a stronger statement than that," said Kalish. "The guy is a violent and a predator who shows no remorse.

"There was no effort to consider his report. Apparently the D.A. did what was expedient to get a conviction. It is frustrating that no one considered the psychiatric input. Why ask for it, if you don't consider it," Kalish said.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 04, 2010, 09:40:45 AM

John Walsh, host of "America's Most Wanted," said he met with President Obama Wednesday to discuss child protection laws and funding for the Adam Walsh Act, signed three years ago by President George W. Bush.

The law promised to create a national registry of sex offenders and keep closer track of the most violent of them, but did not come with the money to implement the bill.

"President Obama said yesterday, 'As the father of two girls, John, I will get the Adam Walsh law funded,'" Walsh told "Good Morning America" today.  ::MonkeyNoNo:: All very nice and all, but the funds should have been provided three years ago, and I won't hold my breath for the funds to be provided now.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Lovinlife on March 04, 2010, 09:43:00 AM
Snipped from^^^^^^

Former San Diego County District Attorney Paul Pfingst was slightly more objective.

"I am of the view that people who do harm to teenage girls should go to Gitmo and stay there for the rest of their lives and be waterboarded," he said.


Now, I like that idea.  Lets see it happen. ::MonkeyGavel::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 04, 2010, 09:46:21 AM
Snipped from^^^^^^

Former San Diego County District Attorney Paul Pfingst was slightly more objective.

"I am of the view that people who do harm to teenage girls should go to Gitmo and stay there for the rest of their lives and be waterboarded," he said.


Now, I like that idea.  Lets see it happen. ::MonkeyGavel::
Great idea, would never happen in a million years I'm afraid  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 04, 2010, 10:31:24 AM
 Originally Posted by mgardner  View Post
I don't know what to do. I was just over at the Chelsea family page on FB only to witness the more horrific pornographic photos I have seen in my life. I'm shaking. I sent a note to the mods to please plese take them down. Maybe LE wants to track down the evil among us. Did he act alone, are these just more sick people. Tell me, someone, please, why would someone disgrace a murdered child like that. I am physically sick.

Mel   ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo:: From WS, I can't for the life of me figure out why people would do such a terrible thing.





I fixed your monkey.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 04, 2010, 10:38:19 AM
I'm reading that JAG was an electrician, did anyone else read that? Just imagine if that is true how many homes he must have been in?


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: klaasend on March 04, 2010, 10:41:19 AM
Originally Posted by mgardner  View Post
I don't know what to do. I was just over at the Chelsea family page on FB only to witness the more horrific pornographic photos I have seen in my life. I'm shaking. I sent a note to the mods to please plese take them down. Maybe LE wants to track down the evil among us. Did he act alone, are these just more sick people. Tell me, someone, please, why would someone disgrace a murdered child like that. I am physically sick.

Mel   ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo::From WS, I can't for the life of me figure out why people would do such a terrible thing.

I just checked and don't see anything now.

You guys have no idea how many spam and porn spam crazies there are out there.  When you do not monitor members or posts that's what happens.  It can happen even when you moderate members.  That's one of the reasons it takes so long to get approved here. I have to go through each registrant and make sure they aren't a spam bot.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 04, 2010, 10:44:16 AM
Originally Posted by mgardner  View Post
I don't know what to do. I was just over at the Chelsea family page on FB only to witness the more horrific pornographic photos I have seen in my life. I'm shaking. I sent a note to the mods to please plese take them down. Maybe LE wants to track down the evil among us. Did he act alone, are these just more sick people. Tell me, someone, please, why would someone disgrace a murdered child like that. I am physically sick.

Mel   ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo::From WS, I can't for the life of me figure out why people would do such a terrible thing.

I just checked and don't see anything now.

You guys have no idea how many spam and porn spam crazies there are out there.  When you do not monitor members or posts that's what happens.  It can happen even when you moderate members.  That's one of the reasons it takes so long to get approved here. I have to go through each registrant and make sure they aren't a spam bot.
Thank-you I didn't realize that  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Lovinlife on March 04, 2010, 10:46:17 AM
Thank you Klaas and all the mods who help SM be the best! ::MonkeyCheer4::

NRCG, I did not see he's an electrician...interesting.  If you find a source, let me know.  TIA ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 04, 2010, 10:51:35 AM
Thank you Klaas and all the mods who help SM be the best! ::MonkeyCheer4::

NRCG, I did not see he's an electrician...interesting.  If you find a source, let me know.  TIA ::MonkeyKiss::
Somebody on WS said it, and then someone asked about it, but I have not seen anything in an article to show that was his job. It does seem odd that there has been no talk about his job, so I figured that maybe he didn't work.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Missiontoconvict on March 04, 2010, 10:51:35 AM
Originally Posted by mgardner  View Post
I don't know what to do. I was just over at the Chelsea family page on FB only to witness the more horrific pornographic photos I have seen in my life. I'm shaking. I sent a note to the mods to please plese take them down. Maybe LE wants to track down the evil among us. Did he act alone, are these just more sick people. Tell me, someone, please, why would someone disgrace a murdered child like that. I am physically sick.

Mel   ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo::From WS, I can't for the life of me figure out why people would do such a terrible thing.

I just checked and don't see anything now.

You guys have no idea how many spam and porn spam crazies there are out there.  When you do not monitor members or posts that's what happens.  It can happen even when you moderate members.  That's one of the reasons it takes so long to get approved here. I have to go through each registrant and make sure they aren't a spam bot.
You are so right Klaas - I saw a few spammers on her FB the other night - it was disgraceful what they were posting - not so much about Chelsea personally but about women in general and how we deserve to be abused and treated the way Chelsea was - it was sick.  I know they were reported them to get them off that page.  Thank you for what you do to prevent that from happening to us here.  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: goodnmad on March 04, 2010, 10:53:14 AM
We should be MAD. It's about time. Seems to me these pieces o' sh** are not afraid of prison. 

If castration doesn't work, then how about DEATH. I am not even close to kidding here. Life in prison, maybe, but would cost a lot of taxpayer $$$. I'm for the death penalty. Molest or rape a child -- you die.  ::MonkeyMad::

I'm sorry to vent, but I am so SICK of this. It seems to be happening more and more. What? Can a girl or woman no longer leave the house at all???

My daughter is planning for college ... bet Chelsea was too ... making plans, looking forward to a bright future.

Five minutes. Just let me in there with him for five little minutes. 



Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: trimmonthelake on March 04, 2010, 10:54:35 AM
Thank you Klaas and all the mods who help SM be the best! ::MonkeyCheer4::

NRCG, I did not see he's an electrician...interesting.  If you find a source, let me know.  TIA ::MonkeyKiss::

Hey Lovin',I found it.
Suspect in girl's killing may be linked to October Lake Elsinore abduction attempt
10:54 PM PST on Wednesday, March 3, 2010
<snipped>

 Chavez said when Gardner registered at the Lake Elsinore station, officials took a new photograph of him and collected information such as details about his vehicle and his employment. Gardner said he is a self-employed electrician, Chavez said.

He declined to say whether the vehicle Gardner was driving matched the descriptions of any of the vehicles described in the abduction attempts.

Officials also reviewed Gardner's record for any red flags, such as recent encounters with law enforcement at his prior address in San Diego County.

They found none.
<snipped>

http://www.pe.com/localnews/stories/PE_News_Local_W_websuspect.1da2f17.html


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 04, 2010, 11:01:42 AM
Thank you Klaas and all the mods who help SM be the best! ::MonkeyCheer4::

NRCG, I did not see he's an electrician...interesting.  If you find a source, let me know.  TIA ::MonkeyKiss::

Hey Lovin',I found it.
Suspect in girl's killing may be linked to October Lake Elsinore abduction attempt
10:54 PM PST on Wednesday, March 3, 2010
<snipped>

 Chavez said when Gardner registered at the Lake Elsinore station, officials took a new photograph of him and collected information such as details about his vehicle and his employment. Gardner said he is a self-employed electrician, Chavez said.

He declined to say whether the vehicle Gardner was driving matched the descriptions of any of the vehicles described in the abduction attempts.

Officials also reviewed Gardner's record for any red flags, such as recent encounters with law enforcement at his prior address in San Diego County.

They found none.
<snipped>

http://www.pe.com/localnews/stories/PE_News_Local_W_websuspect.1da2f17.html
Thanks Trimm, and a self employed electrician.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Missiontoconvict on March 04, 2010, 11:04:54 AM
Some interesting figures in this article - they were talking about this on our local news this morning. Pawlenty also ordered all the big screen tv's removed at a sex offender treatment center back in Jan stating these tv's are a waste of money and serve no purpose in rehabbing a sex offender. I sent emails to the lawmakers in Minnesota on Tuesday after Chelsea's body was discovered - it appears this new legislature by Pawlenty is a result of the public outcry after Dru Sjodin's rape and murder back in 2003, it may have taken awhile but it worked. I think it is worth going on an all out campaign contacting our legislatures and demanding a change.

Governor wants longer sentences for sex offenders

ST. PAUL, Minn. (AP) - Nearly five years after Minnesota toughened punishments for sex crimes, Gov. Tim Pawlenty renewed the push Tuesday with a proposal to double prison sentences for some sex offenders.

The Republican governor said Minnesota law isn't strong enough on sex crimes.

His latest plan would set the recommended sentence for those convicted of sex offenses involving force, threat of physical harm, dangerous weapons or underage or mentally impaired victims at 25 years in prison. Current law sets it at a minimum of 12 years.

"They are individuals who in my view need to be taken off the streets and locked up for as long as possible," Pawlenty said.

The 2005 law extended the state's most severe penalty - life in prison without possibility of parole - for violent first-time sex offenders whose crimes involved extreme measures such as kidnapping or mutilation, and for some repeat offenders.


That legislation was driven by the outcry after a North Dakota college student named Dru Sjodin disappeared from a mall parking lot in Grand Forks. Her body was recovered months later. Alfonso Rodriguez Jr., a convicted rapist who had been released from a Minnesota prison after serving his time, was sentenced to death for her kidnapping and death.

The number of Minnesota sex offenders committed to treatment after serving their prison time has more than doubled since 2004. Pawlenty said keeping them in prison longer would ultimately save the state money.

He estimated his latest proposal would result in roughly 500 more prison inmates by 2035 as sex offenders stayed behind bars longer.

Even so, he said the state's net cost would be minimal - about $5 million over a quarter century. That's because sex offenders found to be dangerous and committed by the courts to the state sex offender treatment program cost $325 a day, compared with just $63 a day for prison.


Legislative Democrats nevertheless had some concerns about the cost of Pawlenty's plan.

"It's just thrown out there without a lot of thought to the financial implications," said Rep. Michael Paymar, who heads the House Public Safety Finance Division Chairman.

Paymar said the state needs to deal with the soaring cost of committing sexual criminals who have served their prison time. His panel holds a hearing on the issue on Thursday.

Minnesota's prisons currently hold nearly 1,650 sex offenders, while the Minnesota Sex Offender Program houses more than 500 patients and is set to run out of space by mid-2012.

Pawlenty is also seeking $89 million in state borrowing to expand the Moose Lake sex offender treatment complex. So far, Democrats in both legislative chambers have left the project out of their construction projects bills.

On Tuesday, Pawlenty repeated his threat to veto the entire construction package in part because of the omission.

His administration also announced plans to distribute an Internet safety program called NetSmartz to public schools to teach children and teens about the dangers of online sexual predators. It's up to schools whether and how to use the kits, which come courtesy of a U.S. Department of Justice grant.

http://kstp.com/news/stories/S1408067.shtml?cat=1


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 04, 2010, 11:06:09 AM
Thanks Mission.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: SunnyinTX on March 04, 2010, 11:08:15 AM
I'm reading that JAG was an electrician, did anyone else read that? Just imagine if that is true how many homes he must have been in?


 Morning nrcg, I haven't been reading much this morning..........I have asked many times if he worked and if he did, what he did. I never got a response so I took it as no one reading knew. thanks for sharing that info.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: SunnyinTX on March 04, 2010, 11:11:37 AM
Thank you Klaas and all the mods who help SM be the best! ::MonkeyCheer4::

NRCG, I did not see he's an electrician...interesting.  If you find a source, let me know.  TIA ::MonkeyKiss::

Hey Lovin',I found it.
Suspect in girl's killing may be linked to October Lake Elsinore abduction attempt
10:54 PM PST on Wednesday, March 3, 2010
<snipped>

 Chavez said when Gardner registered at the Lake Elsinore station, officials took a new photograph of him and collected information such as details about his vehicle and his employment. Gardner said he is a self-employed electrician, Chavez said.

He declined to say whether the vehicle Gardner was driving matched the descriptions of any of the vehicles described in the abduction attempts.

Officials also reviewed Gardner's record for any red flags, such as recent encounters with law enforcement at his prior address in San Diego County.

They found none.
<snipped>

http://www.pe.com/localnews/stories/PE_News_Local_W_websuspect.1da2f17.html

thanks trim....interesting HE said he was a self-employed electrician............sorry but that sounds like pure bullchit to me, but explains (to me) why he was reported as trying to rob the young lady in December.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Lovinlife on March 04, 2010, 11:23:02 AM
Thanks for the info on JAG's employment.  I have a stupid question:  Do electricians have to be licensed in CA?


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Lovinlife on March 04, 2010, 11:32:18 AM
Thanks for the info on JAG's employment.  I have a stupid question:  Do electricians have to be licensed in CA?
Answering my own question  ::MonkeyCool:: .  If you believe that he was an electrician, here are the requirements for CA. http://www.dir.ca.gov/DAS/ECU_FAQ.htm Just seeing if his license can be verified.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: trimmonthelake on March 04, 2010, 11:34:17 AM
Thanks for the info on JAG's employment.  I have a stupid question:  Do electricians have to be licensed in CA?
Answering my own question  ::MonkeyCool:: .  If you believe that he was an electrician, here are the requirements for CA. http://www.dir.ca.gov/DAS/ECU_FAQ.htm Just seeing if his license can be verified.

Here is a list of Certified Electricians as of 02/09/10
http://www.dir.ca.gov/DAS/CA_Electricians_Certified.pdf


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: sebastian on March 04, 2010, 11:52:33 AM
Thank you Klaas and all the mods who help SM be the best! ::MonkeyCheer4::

NRCG, I did not see he's an electrician...interesting.  If you find a source, let me know.  TIA ::MonkeyKiss::

Hey Lovin',I found it.
Suspect in girl's killing may be linked to October Lake Elsinore abduction attempt
10:54 PM PST on Wednesday, March 3, 2010
<snipped>

 Chavez said when Gardner registered at the Lake Elsinore station, officials took a new photograph of him and collected information such as details about his vehicle and his employment. Gardner said he is a self-employed electrician, Chavez said.

He declined to say whether the vehicle Gardner was driving matched the descriptions of any of the vehicles described in the abduction attempts.

Officials also reviewed Gardner's record for any red flags, such as recent encounters with law enforcement at his prior address in San Diego County.

They found none.
<snipped>

http://www.pe.com/localnews/stories/PE_News_Local_W_websuspect.1da2f17.html

thanks trim....interesting HE said he was a self-employed electrician............sorry but that sounds like pure bullchit to me, but explains (to me) why he was reported as trying to rob the young lady in December.

Hi Sunny!
You are so right! "If he truly is an electrician, he is probably not working. There are so many contractors in San Diego county out of work due to the economy!


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 04, 2010, 12:15:01 PM
Facebook update from Chelsea's Light: "All San Diego based Clear Channel radio stations will be honoring Chelsea with a moment of silence today at 12:00 PM, which will be followed by one of her favorite songs. You can listen at AM: 1360 & 1700 or FM: 94.1, 105.3, 95.7, 93.3,101.5"


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Missiontoconvict on March 04, 2010, 12:29:08 PM
Facebook update from Chelsea's Light: "All San Diego based Clear Channel radio stations will be honoring Chelsea with a moment of silence today at 12:00 PM, which will be followed by one of her favorite songs. You can listen at AM: 1360 & 1700 or FM: 94.1, 105.3, 95.7, 93.3,101.5"
Thank you NoRose.  Some sick and disgusting person on one of her facebook pages set up and account under John Albert Gardener using his mugshot and is posting - very sick, very disturbing.  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: darla on March 04, 2010, 12:32:33 PM
Thanks for the info on JAG's employment.  I have a stupid question:  Do electricians have to be licensed in CA?
Answering my own question  ::MonkeyCool:: .  If you believe that he was an electrician, here are the requirements for CA. http://www.dir.ca.gov/DAS/ECU_FAQ.htm Just seeing if his license can be verified.

Here is a list of Certified Electricians as of 02/09/10
http://www.dir.ca.gov/DAS/CA_Electricians_Certified.pdf





No matches found for John A Gardner.

Good Morning Monkeys and Guest

Amber alert just issued for a 5 yr old in Fayetteville N.C. I will find it.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 04, 2010, 12:34:12 PM
Thanks Darla.  Mission I guess yesterday people were posting on the facebook, some disgusting things.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: darla on March 04, 2010, 12:37:04 PM
 
AMBER Alert News Release
 
THIS IS A NORTH CAROLINA AMBER ALERT FOR
A CHILD ABDUCTION
 
Update Description Information
        
RALEIGH 12:07 PM -- The Fort Bragg Police Department is searching for a missing child:   Te-amani Leshay Gerald.
 
Te-amani Leshay Gerald is a 5-year-old Black female, approximately 3 feet  0 inches tall, weighing 50 pounds.   She has black hair, and brown eyes. 

Allegedly, there are 2 abductors:   Alexis D Gerald and  Phyllis Gerald.   Alexis D Gerald is described as Black, female, 5 feet  6 inches tall, weighing 200 pounds.   She has black hair and brown eyes. 

Phyllis Gerald is described as Black, female,

Abduction occured 0815 hours this morning at 22 Lapoterie Street, Fort Bragg NC. Last seen operating a black 1999 Chevrolet Suburban South Carolina reg FVC504. Destination 4212 Big Ben Court, Charleston SC. The vehicle is a Black 1999 Chevrolet Suburban with SC license tag number FVC504.

 
If you have any information regarding this abduction, call the Fort Bragg Police Department immediately at (910) 396-6608, or call 911 or *HP.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: darla on March 04, 2010, 12:39:49 PM
Thanks Darla.  Mission I guess yesterday people were posting on the facebook, some disgusting things.



It takes a very very sick individual to post that kind of crap on a dead child's web page. They should be locked up with Gardner.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Lovinlife on March 04, 2010, 12:41:48 PM

Here is a list of Certified Electricians as of 02/09/10
http://www.dir.ca.gov/DAS/CA_Electricians_Certified.pdf





No matches found for John A Gardner.

Good Morning Monkeys and Guest

Amber alert just issued for a 5 yr old in Fayetteville N.C. I will find it.
Are you sure?  I see pg.257 13th from the top.  John A. Gardner zip: 92126 Cert#: XXXXX exp: 7/17/2010. 

Note 92126 is a San Diego zip.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Missiontoconvict on March 04, 2010, 12:45:34 PM
Thanks Darla.  Mission I guess yesterday people were posting on the facebook, some disgusting things.



It takes a very very sick individual to post that kind of crap on a dead child's web page. They should be locked up with Gardner.
Thank you for the Amber alert Darla, yes it does take a sick person to do that - it really bothered me.  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: darla on March 04, 2010, 12:50:30 PM

Here is a list of Certified Electricians as of 02/09/10
http://www.dir.ca.gov/DAS/CA_Electricians_Certified.pdf





No matches found for John A Gardner.

Good Morning Monkeys and Guest

Amber alert just issued for a 5 yr old in Fayetteville N.C. I will find it.
Are you sure?  I see pg.257 13th from the top.  John A. Gardner zip: 92126 Cert#: XXXXX exp: 7/17/2010. 

Note 92126 is a San Diego zip.



I just typed in his name at the search box and it came back no matches found. Sorry, I mis-spoke


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 04, 2010, 12:54:28 PM
Thanks Darla.  Mission I guess yesterday people were posting on the facebook, some disgusting things.



It takes a very very sick individual to post that kind of crap on a dead child's web page. They should be locked up with Gardner.
Horrible  ::MonkeyNoNo:: And I pray little Te-amani Leshay Gerald is found safe, I'm assuming her father abducted her?


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Lovinlife on March 04, 2010, 12:57:36 PM


I just typed in his name at the search box and it came back no matches found. Sorry, I mis-spoke
That's OK Darla.  I have bad eyes.  I thought I was miss reading it and wanted to make sure that I wasn't making up wrong info. ;)


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Tracygirl on March 04, 2010, 01:03:43 PM
If he is a self employed electrician I would assume he has a utility truck or van to carry ladders and equipment.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 04, 2010, 01:05:17 PM
http://www.petition2congress.com/2/2945/predators-behind-bars/                  I just signed it, don't know what good it will do, I already have emailed Barbara Boxer in the past, and that was useless.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Missiontoconvict on March 04, 2010, 01:38:25 PM
http://www.petition2congress.com/2/2945/predators-behind-bars/                  I just signed it, don't know what good it will do, I already have emailed Barbara Boxer in the past, and that was useless.
Thank you NoRose  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 04, 2010, 01:42:03 PM
http://www.petition2congress.com/2/2945/predators-behind-bars/                  I just signed it, don't know what good it will do, I already have emailed Barbara Boxer in the past, and that was useless.
Thank you NoRose  ::MonkeyAngel::
Your welcome  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: klaasend on March 04, 2010, 02:03:03 PM
May have already been posted:

http://www.cbs8.com/Global/story.asp?S=12075781

State says Chelsea King suspect found through DNA
Posted: Mar 03, 2010 7:10 AM PST Updated: Mar 04, 2010 7:47 AM PST

SAN DIEGO, Calif. (AP) – A convicted sex offender charged Wednesday with murdering 17-year-old Chelsea King while raping or attempting to rape her was linked to the crime by DNA found in her clothing, a state Justice Department spokeswoman said.

The break led to the weekend arrest of 30-year-old John Albert Gardner III as thousands of people still held out hope that an extensive search would find the teen alive even though she had not been seen since last Thursday.

Prosecutors declined to answer questions about the evidence against Gardner.

However, California Department of Justice spokeswoman Christine Gasparac told The Associated Press Gardner was identified after the semen from clothing found by investigators was run through a national database.

The DNA had been detected by the San Diego County crime lab and forwarded to the state, where technicians ran it through the national Combined DNA Index System.

"We were able within two hours to get a match to Gardner, and they were able to make the arrest," Gasparac said.


On Wednesday the 30-year-old Gardner stood silently in court, wrists shackled to his waist and eyes mostly cast downward, showing no emotion as an attorney entered pleas of not guilty in the potential death penalty case.

San Diego County prosecutors charged Gardner with one count of murder with a special circumstance allegation that the crime occurred in the commission of rape or attempted rape.

A second count of assault with intent to commit rape was filed in connection with a December attack on another female.

The victim's parents, Brent and Kelly King, struggled to maintain their composure as they watched the courtroom scene.

District Attorney Bonnie Dumanis said a decision on whether to seek the death penalty would be made later.

"It is a very somber decision," she said.

Gardner's public defender, Michael Popkins, did not address reporters.

Superior Court Judge Joseph Brannigan ordered that Gardner, previously convicted in a 2000 molestation, be held without bail.

The Lake Elsinore man was arrested Sunday as a huge search was under way in a wilderness park in northeastern San Diego, where King's car was found parked Thursday night with her belongings inside.

A body was finally found in a shallow lakeside grave on Tuesday, and authorities said they believed it was King, although formal identification by the coroner was pending.

Dumanis said the case has "rocked San Diego."

Early Wednesday, a spray-painted message was found on the garage at the home of the suspect's mother. It said, "Chelseas blood is on you. Move out." Police did not know who painted it.

Gardner lived at the Rancho Bernardo home in 2000 when he molested a 13-year-old neighbor. The home is down the street from an elementary school and near the park where King was last seen Thursday wearing running clothes.

A piece of paper taped to the front door told visitors to leave.

Thousands of people joined the search and then mourned the Poway High School straight-A student at a candlelight vigil Tuesday night.

Brent King thanked supporters on the lawn of St. Michael's Church in Poway.

"She's my angel forever," he said.

Gardner pleaded guilty in May 2000 to molesting the 13-year-old female neighbor and served five years of a six-year prison term. Prosecutors said he lured the victim to his home with an offer to watch "Patch Adams," a 1998 movie starring Robin Williams.

The girl was beaten before escaping and running to a neighbor.

Gardner "never expressed one scintilla of remorse for his attack upon the victim," despite overwhelming evidence, prosecutors wrote in a sentencing memo.

He had faced a maximum of nearly 11 years in prison under terms of a plea agreement, but prosecutors urged six years.

Dr. Matthew Carroll, a court-appointed psychiatrist who interviewed Gardner, had urged the maximum sentence allowed by law. He said in court documents that Gardner was a "continued danger to underage girls in the community" and an "extremely poor candidate" for treatment.

Dr. Mark Kalish, who shares an office with Carroll, said his colleague was saddened and angered by the news about Gardner, feeling his advice was ignored.

"He didn't want there to be any ambiguity or doubt about his assessment. He laid it out there and he was essentially ignored by the district attorney's office," Kalish said. "How much bigger a red flag could Dr. Carroll have raised?"

Kalish said Carroll was referring calls to him because his colleague, who does work for the county, did not want to discuss the case publicly.

"How are you going to treat someone who says you got the wrong guy?" Kalish said. "This girl ran out of (his) house with her pants down. Come on!"

The district attorney's office has declined to comment on the 2000 case.

Gardner was on parole for three years, until September 2008, state records show.

San Diego police said Gardner also was linked to an assault on a 22-year-old Colorado woman who managed to fend off her attacker on Dec. 27 in Rancho Bernardo Community Park on the northern edge of San Diego, where King's 1994 BMW was found. The second count against Gardner alleges the assault occurred on Dec. 27 but did not specify if it was the incident with the Colorado woman.

San Diego police Capt. Jim Collins declined to describe the evidence connecting Gardner to the December assault but said a swab taken from the victim's elbow did not match Gardner's DNA.

Collins said the victim elbowed the attacker in the face after he demanded money, and he ran off. Collins said the case was treated as an attempted robbery, which was why that DNA wasn't sent for analysis until Monday.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: darla on March 04, 2010, 02:19:44 PM
http://www.petition2congress.com/2/2945/predators-behind-bars/                  I just signed it, don't know what good it will do, I already have emailed Barbara Boxer in the past, and that was useless.




Thanks Rose, I signed it and sent a letter to All my representatives and Obama. And posted the petition on my Facebook. I also Called the editor of our newspaper and asked him to do a story on protecting our children and giving a link to the sex offender registry. I also gave him the ScaredMonkeys.net to see just how bad this problem is.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 04, 2010, 02:26:30 PM
http://www.petition2congress.com/2/2945/predators-behind-bars/                  I just signed it, don't know what good it will do, I already have emailed Barbara Boxer in the past, and that was useless.




Thanks Rose, I signed it and sent a letter to All my representatives and Obama. And posted the petition on my Facebook. I also Called the editor of our newspaper and asked him to do a story on protecting our children and giving a link to the sex offender registry. I also gave him the ScaredMonkeys.net to see just how bad this problem is.
That's wonderful  ::MonkeyAngel:: And from the article that Klaas just posted, just look how fast they got a hit on Gardner's DNA, too bad things can't happen that fast in other cases as well.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: klaasend on March 04, 2010, 02:30:13 PM
FYI - moving this thread to Missing found Deceased


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: labubske on March 04, 2010, 02:53:26 PM
Hi, this is my first time posting...so, hopefully it will be correct.  It disgusts me that our children are not protected better by our government...that drug use(which is a serious thing) carries more time in prison than beating/attempting to rape a young girl/boy.  Drug addiction can be helped(though it does fail often)...sexual deviants cannot.  Here in Florida we have the same issues as California, regarding the release of sex offenders into our communities.  Our sheriff, Grady Judd is one of the best though...and he makes sure that the public is aware when sexual predators relocate.  He is famous for sting operations...such as Operation Protect where 14 men were arrested for possession of child porn...I wish there were more public officials that were as aggressive as he is.  My family prays for the families of all of these children. On a different note...I wanted to post some different things that I have found while "investigating" this scum JAG.  Most of it I have found in here already...but I have found a few forums that have comments that are interesting...

just me · 2 days ago
ok all you smart people.. #1... he has not been convicted yet... what happened to americans? what happened until innocent until proven guilty? #2...you don't know this guy... he is a person too and needs a lot of help. #3.... this man has not always been this way. I agree ... they should not have released him the first time... they should have gotten him the help that he needed. He was a good man at one time.. I know because he was my friend for a long time in school. #4... and his MOTHER is the f***ing reason he is the way he is now!!!!!! so yes... SHE should be shot! Reply
3 replies · active 22 hours ago
(this post is in a forum "claiming" to know JAG...and seems to know info about the mom that we are not aware of...I know people can lie...but this person may know...I am watching for more posts by this person)

 Crystal
Just in case none of you know. He has been in Lake Elsinore for a while stocking our kids. A few months ago a bulletin went out to all parents of the Lake Elsinore School District about this guy. He was seen an numerous schools. But did the police find him? No, they just waist their time doing what ever they do. Sitting at stop signs for someone to run a stop sign. Maybe if they paid more attention to keeping our kids safe we wouldnt have this issue. He was accused once FRY him and we never have to worry again about our kids.
(this is post from a different site...stating that the school district was aware of him...and that he had been stalking for awhile)

 lewy
there is a story out of escondido about a husband and wife that saw a guy watching girls running last fall in jesmond dene park..they believe it was Gardner and he was in a light colored older pontiac sedan. I think its the same dirt bag.
 
http://www.10news.com/video/22718463/index.html
(I believe that this may already be listed...but, cannot remember)

Here is something that I found quite interesting...right under JAG's pic in the sex offender registry is another John Gardner...offense on a child under 14...he is missing...
 Last Name: GARDNER  First Name: JONATHAN  Middle Name: 
 
 THIS SEX OFFENDER HAS BEEN IN VIOLATION OF REGISTRATION REQUIREMENTS SINCE 01/19/2010. 


TRANSIENT

 
 Description Offenses Scars/Marks/Tattoos Known Aliases
Last Known Address:
 
County: ALAMEDA
Zip Code 
Date of Birth: 01-21-1981
Sex: MALE
Height: 5'8"
Weight: 140
Eye Color: BROWN
Hair Color: BLACK
Ethnicity: BLACK

Offense Code
Description
288(a) LEWD OR LASCIVIOUS ACTS WITH CHILD UNDER 14 YEARS
None
 
GARDENER, JONATHAN
GARDNER, JONATHAN M
GARDNER, JONATHAN MICAN
GARDNER, JONATHAN MICHA
GARDNER, JONATHAN NICAH
GARDNER, JONATHON
 
 

THE REGISTRANT MAY HAVE SUBSEQUENTLY RELOCATED

Hmmm....I wonder if they are following up on him??

And finally...JAG's mothers name is Catherine Osborn--not sure if this has been posted yet...I have had this reply box opened for hours now...and have not looked at any updates since. 

That is all for now!  Thank you for all of the information that each of you post...I would like to find a way to stop these people...and to force congress to make changes! 



Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: klaasend on March 04, 2010, 02:59:26 PM
Welcome Labubske - great first post!


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 04, 2010, 03:18:24 PM
Labubske  WELCOME  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Mon_Kie on March 04, 2010, 03:23:31 PM
Originally Posted by mgardner  View Post
I don't know what to do. I was just over at the Chelsea family page on FB only to witness the more horrific pornographic photos I have seen in my life. I'm shaking. I sent a note to the mods to please plese take them down. Maybe LE wants to track down the evil among us. Did he act alone, are these just more sick people. Tell me, someone, please, why would someone disgrace a murdered child like that. I am physically sick.

Mel   ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo::From WS, I can't for the life of me figure out why people would do such a terrible thing.

I saw the pictures last night, they were worse than porn, they were so violent and horrific. I reported them, but I am sad to hear that the pictures were still there this morning.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: klaasend on March 04, 2010, 03:24:31 PM
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/JohnGardner.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub8/OreillyLakeElsinore.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub8/KevnOreillySD.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub8/MatinalSD.jpg)


Who are these people protecting John A. Gardner III the MONSTER?  And yes, the mom is Catherine J. Osborn.  Who are the O'Reillys?


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: AmandaReckonwith on March 04, 2010, 03:28:41 PM
That is what I'd like to know too.

http://www.10news.com/news/22739867/detail.html
Names Catherine Osborn also.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 04, 2010, 03:29:41 PM
Originally Posted by mgardner  View Post
I don't know what to do. I was just over at the Chelsea family page on FB only to witness the more horrific pornographic photos I have seen in my life. I'm shaking. I sent a note to the mods to please plese take them down. Maybe LE wants to track down the evil among us. Did he act alone, are these just more sick people. Tell me, someone, please, why would someone disgrace a murdered child like that. I am physically sick.

Mel   ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo::From WS, I can't for the life of me figure out why people would do such a terrible thing.

I saw the pictures last night, they were worse than porn, they were so violent and horrific. I reported them, but I am sad to hear that the pictures were still there this morning.
How horrible, just makes me ill how sick some people are  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Lovinlife on March 04, 2010, 03:40:32 PM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jim-moret/gps-for-sexual-predators_b_485077.html

Jim Moret Chief Correspondent,
Inside Edition and author of "The Last Day of My Life"
Posted: March 4, 2010 11:37 AM

GPS for Sexual Predators

I can locate my car and even find my phone with a tracking device. So why not do the same with Registered Sex Offenders? It's time they give up heir ability to roam freely once they are convicted of such a horrible crime. As a lawyer, I believe strongly in protecting the rights of the accused, even of the convicted - but not at the expense of past and future victims. They have rights too, most importantly the right to live. Yes, I am a lawyer, but I am also a son, a husband, and a father. I want my loved ones to be protected from known dangers. This is not a science experiment - we needn't gamble with innocent lives. We've done that far too many times and too many people have lost.

Ask the family of Chelsea King.

John Gardner III, a convicted sex offender and a dangerous predator, was arrested and charged for the vicious rape and murder of this beautiful high school senior. Chelsea, a straight-A student, musician, and long distance runner, had a lifetime of promise wiped out in a horrible crime that did not have to happen. She had gone to a local park to run on the trails and she never came home. Her body was discovered in a shallow grave covered by debris.

Gardner, who stands accused of this heinous attack, was convicted in 2000 of a sexual assault on a thirteen year-old girl, whom he beat and molested after luring her to his home. Her friend who testified against this monster at his preliminary hearing when she was just fourteen, still lives in the same neighborhood ten years later. Incredibly, as of last week, so did this predator. Not a single resident was notified that Gardner was released after serving just five years and that he was, once again, living among them. How many young women were needlessly put at risk? Consider fourteen year old Amber Dubois who went missing from the area a year ago while walking to school. Authorities now suspect Gardner in Amber's disappearance. Or think of the young Colorado Springs graduate student who was attacked last December 27, while jogging in the same area from where Chelsea went missing. She successfully fended off her attacker. She has reportedly, since been shown Gardner's photo and proclaimed, "He's the same guy." Gardner has yet to be charged in that attack or the abduction. He has pleaded not guilty to the rape murder of Chelsea King.

Still, why weren't residents put on alert that this monster was in their midst, on their street, and incredibly, just 1,000 feet away from an elementary school? What system of justice protects criminals but not the public? How many people have to be victimized, raped or killed for us to rise up and say, "enough!"

I say that time is now.

My iPhone has a GPS chip which enables me to find it if it is lost or stolen. Many cars have a similar device. We insert microchips in our dogs and cats for identification - why can't chips be implanted in convicted sex offenders to make sure we always know where they are? I suggest that for certain crimes - crimes which are so repulsive and for which studies tell us the perpetrators are never rehabilitated - we should require that a tracking device be placed on (or in) every sexual predator as a condition of their release from prison. One offense is enough. Forget three strikes. Strike one: go to prison and win a GPS for life.

Is this an abridgment of their civil rights? No. Those rights were relinquished after their conviction. Felons routinely lose their right to vote, own a gun or hold public office and no one calls "foul." Why should they be allowed to move about freely, invisibly, putting so many others in potential danger? Registries alone are not enough. We need to know a predator's whereabouts BEFORE he can strike again - not after. I want to be able to log onto my computer and KNOW where these predators are living, where they are hiding. Consider it a digital scarlet letter. "P" for predator.



Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 04, 2010, 03:42:26 PM
That is what I'd like to know too.

http://www.10news.com/news/22739867/detail.html
Names Catherine Osborn also.
This person who wrote a comment under the article summed it up nicely.          EaglesFan
Ted Bundy was a really nice guy too... except when he was brutally raping and murdering.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: klaasend on March 04, 2010, 03:52:58 PM
And not that it matters, but there is absolutely nothing this company does with photos that I don't do every day here in the forum for FREE.  Boy am I in the wrong business.   ::MonkeyCool::

http://www.babapictures.com/

My question is what relationship do they have with John A. Gardner III that they are listed at both the SD address and the Lake Elsinore address  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Missiontoconvict on March 04, 2010, 03:55:20 PM


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Who are these people protecting John A. Gardner III the MONSTER?  And yes, the mom is Catherine J. Osborn.  Who are the O'Reillys?
This is very interesting - I wonder who these people are too? Aunt and Uncle?  And where does Carol Osborn, his mother live?  Where is his father? Time to start digging.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 04, 2010, 03:57:21 PM


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Who are these people protecting John A. Gardner III the MONSTER?  And yes, the mom is Catherine J. Osborn.  Who are the O'Reillys?
This is very interesting - I wonder who these people are too? Aunt and Uncle?  And where does Carol Osborn, his mother live?  Where is his father? Time to start digging.
I did read the grandma lives in the house in Lake Elsinore, but I don't believe I've seen her name anywhere.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: klaasend on March 04, 2010, 04:12:08 PM
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub8/GilletteLakeElsinore.jpg)

Catherine J. Osburn is Gardner's mom.  Who are the rest?  This is a reverse lookup at his Lake Elsinore address.




Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: klaasend on March 04, 2010, 04:19:00 PM
33210 Gillette St, Lake Elsinore, CA

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub8/33210Gillette.jpg)

We know that the google maps aren't current but likely within the last couple years.  This car is directly across the street from John Gardner's Lake Elsinore address:


(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub8/33210GilletteAcrossSt.jpg)


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 04, 2010, 04:47:11 PM
http://www.10news.com/news/22739243/detail.html        Same day, same park that Chelsea was at and abducted and murdered, there was a man stalking another child   ::MonkeyNoNo:: Appears to be Gardner, by the description of the car.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Tracygirl on March 04, 2010, 04:52:30 PM
Didn't the neighbor say that there was JAG and another couple living there? I agree who are these people, somehow they are mixed in with the Gardners.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 04, 2010, 04:53:14 PM
 http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/cops-link-chelsea-kings-suspected-killer-linked-abductions/story?id=10012155  Girl in Lake Elsinore told family when she saw a pic of Gardner, that is the man that tried to abduct me, it was in Oct of last year  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Adam In California on March 04, 2010, 04:57:36 PM
Hey all -

Update on a couple of things -

1) The journalist that I was exchanging emails with over at the UT put out a story that the DNA from the swab from the December 27th attack came back as the victims.  She was the only one to get an actual quote from a named LE official on the issue.  However, she also noted that they "rushed the sample through" after learning that it was Gardner's DNA on Chelsea's clothing.  An excuse about backlogs was given, but the issue of why San Diego County only spent half of their prop 69 funds in 2008 goes unanswered.  I'll update when I have an answer.

2) An in-law that is a detective in a Southern California police dept told me yesterday that LE has now already tied 5 other victims of attempted abductions to Gardner and that they expect to get more.  It seems he was very very active.  Hearsay rule invoked: I can't divulge the source and he is not working the case (not his jurisdiction) but is monitoring it and has guys checking into unsolved attempted abductions in his jurisdiction.  Don't be surprised if JAG ends up with more charges added so that they can load him up for a trip to the gurney.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Missiontoconvict on March 04, 2010, 05:00:40 PM
I have gone to the recorders office and property tax office online - bummer because California does not show the owner's name on the property tax statement online - I am still digging I can't find any recorded docs under Catherine Osborn but the process is rather time consuming because it only allows you to search 3 years at a time.   ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Lovinlife on March 04, 2010, 05:03:31 PM
Hi Adam in California, thanks for the update and Welcome to Scared Monkeys!

I'm sorry your son has had to be exposed to this tragedy. ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Adam In California on March 04, 2010, 05:05:19 PM
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/cops-link-chelsea-kings-suspected-killer-linked-abductions/story?id=10012155  Girl in Lake Elsinore told family when she saw a pic of Gardner, that is the man that tried to abduct me, it was in Oct of last year  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Here I think i have to keep something on the "down low" and you have an article saying the same thing!  Wow!

And that is Riverside County - not even where my in-law works.  I suspect LE is looking at every place JAG went since walking out of prison for victims.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Tracygirl on March 04, 2010, 05:08:53 PM
Hi Adam in California, thank you for the update. 5 other attempts so far in addition to what we already have?
1. girl walking in Lake Elsenor
2. jogger at lake hodges
3. 13 year old in San Bernardo (thanks NRCG)

So there are 5 attempts in addition to these?


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Tracygirl on March 04, 2010, 05:13:04 PM
Somewhere in Ambers thread there is a story of an attempted abduction by a man in a white truck with ladders on the side. Anyone recall that? I can't find it. I think they said the man was hispanic but I want to confirm that.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Missiontoconvict on March 04, 2010, 05:13:06 PM
I found this however nothing from California is free - you have to pay to view the documents.



Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: klaasend on March 04, 2010, 05:25:49 PM
I found this however nothing from California is free - you have to pay to view the documents.



Can you give me the link to that particular database?  TIA


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Tracygirl on March 04, 2010, 05:27:39 PM
This missing person is out of Temecula CA, near San Diego. This girl went missing before school. I dont believe she has been found, I am hoping she has. Anyone hear of it? I emailed Mr Shultz to ask if about her and if she has been found.

http://www.nctimes.com/news/local/temecula/5e40da73-43e1-5881-b24a-0e2b53ae59fe.html

TEMECULA: Chaparral High student missing
StoryDiscussionBy CRAIG SHULTZ - cshultz@californian.com | Posted: January 21, 2010 8:20 pm | (4) Comments | Print

Font Size:Default font sizeLarger font sizeTEMECULA ---- Temecula police officers were looking for a missing Chaparral High School student Thursday afternoon.

According to the Temecula Valley Unified School District, an 11th-grade girl was dropped off in front of the school at 6 a.m. for an early morning class.

She spoke with her mother via cell phone a short time later, however, she did not attend her class, and her personal belongings were later found on campus grounds.

The student, whose name was not released, has not been seen or heard from since she spoke with her mother, district officials say.

There is no evidence at this time of an abduction, according to a letter the school district sent to parents.

The Temecula Police Department is investigating the incident as a missing child case. Anyone with information is asked to call Sgt. Ken Southern at 951-696-3000.

Posted in Temecula on Thursday, January 21, 2010 8:20 pm Updated: 1:28 pm. | Tags: Cal, News, Temecula, Blotter


 


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Missiontoconvict on March 04, 2010, 05:33:38 PM
I found this however nothing from California is free - you have to pay to view the documents.



Can you give me the link to that particular database?  TIA
Go here Klaas then scroll down to the bottom to the Grantor/Grantee and search from there.

http://arcc.co.san-diego.ca.us/services/document_copies.aspx


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 04, 2010, 05:33:57 PM
Authorities Not Ready to Confirm Body Found is Chelsea King

District Attorney Spokesman Paul Levikow said Thursday that any evidence, including the identification of the body, will not be revealed until the preliminary hearing for the man accused of killing her.

The hearing is set for March 18.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Tracygirl on March 04, 2010, 05:34:20 PM
The Temecula girl was found safe!!! There was an update posted on Ambers thread. Sorry forgot to bring it forward. Glad she is ok...


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: labubske on March 04, 2010, 05:35:46 PM
Thanks for the welcome!  I am wondering too who the O'Reilly's are...I thought that maybe they own the house and when the names are searched...the engines just relate them.  But then I just saw one of the posts say that both addresses include both names.  Hmmm...and I know that I had found one link to another Gardner with sex charges in the 1960s...It seems that his name was John Gardner...but for some reason I recall thinking that this was a relation to JAG...I cannot find it for the life of me...I want to say that it was North Carolina...I have looked through so many pages that I cannot recall...but there was a relation!  I am very curious now about the Oreilly name. 

Registrant:
Baba Pictures LLC
   9325 Pebble brook Lane
   Boise, ID 83714
   US

   Domain Name: BABAPICTURES.COM

   Administrative Contact, Technical Contact:
      Baba Pictures LLC               
      9325 Pebble brook Lane
      Boise, ID 83714
      US
      858-675-9312

   Record expires on 08-Dec-2014.
   Record created on 06-Apr-2006.

   Domain servers in listed order:

   NS59.WORLDNIC.COM            205.178.190.30
   NS60.WORLDNIC.COM            205.178.144.30
What is weird...when I search the IP server hosts...it has listings for sites such as hotels...8 hits...moving men...3 hits...attorneys...idaho outfitters...1000deaths...I will look at it more when I return home...have to head to a baseball game.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: klaasend on March 04, 2010, 05:40:31 PM
This missing person is out of Temecula CA, near San Diego. This girl went missing before school. I dont believe she has been found, I am hoping she has. Anyone hear of it? I emailed Mr Shultz to ask if about her and if she has been found.

http://www.nctimes.com/news/local/temecula/5e40da73-43e1-5881-b24a-0e2b53ae59fe.html

TEMECULA: Chaparral High student missing
StoryDiscussionBy CRAIG SHULTZ - cshultz@californian.com | Posted: January 21, 2010 8:20 pm | (4) Comments | Print

Font Size:Default font sizeLarger font sizeTEMECULA ---- Temecula police officers were looking for a missing Chaparral High School student Thursday afternoon.

According to the Temecula Valley Unified School District, an 11th-grade girl was dropped off in front of the school at 6 a.m. for an early morning class.

She spoke with her mother via cell phone a short time later, however, she did not attend her class, and her personal belongings were later found on campus grounds.

The student, whose name was not released, has not been seen or heard from since she spoke with her mother, district officials say.

There is no evidence at this time of an abduction, according to a letter the school district sent to parents.

The Temecula Police Department is investigating the incident as a missing child case. Anyone with information is asked to call Sgt. Ken Southern at 951-696-3000.

Posted in Temecula on Thursday, January 21, 2010 8:20 pm Updated: 1:28 pm. | Tags: Cal, News, Temecula, Blotter


 

We have a thread and she was found:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=6982.msg1059288

http://www.swrnn.com/southwest-riverside/2010-01-22/news/breaking-news-missing-chaparral-hs-student-located-returned-to-family#ixzz0dMWzzDT6


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: klaasend on March 04, 2010, 05:50:05 PM
I found this however nothing from California is free - you have to pay to view the documents.



Can you give me the link to that particular database?  TIA
Go here Klaas then scroll down to the bottom to the Grantor/Grantee and search from there.

http://arcc.co.san-diego.ca.us/services/document_copies.aspx


Here are the interesting ones.  I might just purchase a couple of the less expensive ones:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub8/OsbornDeed1.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub8/OsbornDeed2.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub8/OsbornDeed3.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub8/OsbornDeed4.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub8/OsbornDeed5.jpg)


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: klaasend on March 04, 2010, 05:53:31 PM
No, not going to purchase.  Looks like they mail to you and I'm not that patient.   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 04, 2010, 05:56:21 PM
Klaas I grabbed all the names of Gardner's family from a poster on WS, before a mod deletes it. Just wanted an okay for me to post it, I have no idea how much work she put into it to get it.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Tracygirl on March 04, 2010, 05:56:58 PM
This missing person is out of Temecula CA, near San Diego. This girl went missing before school. I dont believe she has been found, I am hoping she has. Anyone hear of it? I emailed Mr Shultz to ask if about her and if she has been found.

http://www.nctimes.com/news/local/temecula/5e40da73-43e1-5881-b24a-0e2b53ae59fe.html

TEMECULA: Chaparral High student missing
StoryDiscussionBy CRAIG SHULTZ - cshultz@californian.com | Posted: January 21, 2010 8:20 pm | (4) Comments | Print

Font Size:Default font sizeLarger font sizeTEMECULA ---- Temecula police officers were looking for a missing Chaparral High School student Thursday afternoon.

According to the Temecula Valley Unified School District, an 11th-grade girl was dropped off in front of the school at 6 a.m. for an early morning class.

She spoke with her mother via cell phone a short time later, however, she did not attend her class, and her personal belongings were later found on campus grounds.

The student, whose name was not released, has not been seen or heard from since she spoke with her mother, district officials say.

There is no evidence at this time of an abduction, according to a letter the school district sent to parents.

The Temecula Police Department is investigating the incident as a missing child case. Anyone with information is asked to call Sgt. Ken Southern at 951-696-3000.

Posted in Temecula on Thursday, January 21, 2010 8:20 pm Updated: 1:28 pm. | Tags: Cal, News, Temecula, Blotter


 

We have a thread and she was found:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=6982.msg1059288

http://www.swrnn.com/southwest-riverside/2010-01-22/news/breaking-news-missing-chaparral-hs-student-located-returned-to-family#ixzz0dMWzzDT6

Thanks Klaas please go ahead and delete if you want. Sorry I didn't look further into it and find the thread. Me a monkey with not a lot of sleep lately!


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Missiontoconvict on March 04, 2010, 06:01:24 PM
 ::MonkeyEek:: Those are indeed very interesting - Klaas I would be happy to split with you if you want me to order some - my "enquiring" mind wants to know.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: ScareyCarrie on March 04, 2010, 06:05:12 PM
Do they not have something like this for CA, u just type in an address and it says who bought the house when how much who from all that stuff...

http://web.jacksoncounty.org/fca/



Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: klaasend on March 04, 2010, 06:12:47 PM
Klaas I grabbed all the names of Gardner's family from a poster on WS, before a mod deletes it. Just wanted an okay for me to post it, I have no idea how much work she put into it to get it.

You can post it as long as you say where you got it.  There's no way for us to confirm the WS posters list is correct.  We are all fishing and digging for info.  I just want to know who and why they would cover for this MONSTER.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 04, 2010, 06:13:50 PM
I'm going to go ahead and post this information. If the mods feel it should be removed, please do so.

This is JAG's family:

Catherine Jeannette Osborn – age 54 – mother of JAG (maiden name may be Poppe)


John Albert Gardner – age 65 – father of JAG

Michael Phillip Osborn – age 52 – current husband of JAG’s mother - stepfather of JAG

Deanna N. Gardner – age 62 – possible current wife of JAG’s father – stepmother of JAG

Catherine Ann Gardner – age 38 – sister of JAG (?)

Ronald M. Poppe – age 76 – likely grandfather of JAG (maternal grandfather)
Mary Ellen Poppe – age 75 – likely grandmother of JAG (maternal grandmother)

Christie Lynn Judson – age 42 – possible step-sister of JAG if his father had been married prior to his marriage to JAG’s mother

All are listed with southern California locations. JAG's father also has a Texas location.    (WS poster's name is Leila)


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: klaasend on March 04, 2010, 06:14:24 PM
::MonkeyEek:: Those are indeed very interesting - Klaas I would be happy to split with you if you want me to order some - my "enquiring" mind wants to know.

There was 3 I was going to get which would only amount to $16.  No biggie but then it said mail.  If they could be downloaded I'd already have done it but by the time we get them in the mail it may all be public knowledge anyway. 


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: klaasend on March 04, 2010, 06:15:58 PM
Don't worry about it Tracygirl.  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: klaasend on March 04, 2010, 06:28:28 PM
http://www.cbs8.com/Global/story.asp?S=12084870

Chelsea King's parents say they want justice for their daughter
Posted: Mar 04, 2010 11:56 AM PST Updated: Mar 04, 2010 11:56 AM PST

POWAY, Calif. (CBS 8) - Chelsea King's parents are still coming to grips with the loss of their daughter. The prime suspect, registered sex offender John Gardner, is being held without bail.

Brent and Kelly King are saying they want justice for their daughter. Chelsea King's parents sat down with News 8 just one day after looking their daughter's accused killer in the eye.

It's one week to the day the King's 17-year-old daughter went missing.

"I think we've experienced emotions we never even knew existed," Kelly King said.

The body of a young woman investigators believe to be Chelsea was discovered Tuesday off the Southeast end of Lake Hodges.

"Yes, we found Chelsea. Yes, we found the horrible man that did this, but this is just the beginning," Kelly King said.

Ten years ago, Gardner picked up a 13-year-old girl at a bus stop. He took her back to his mother's Rancho Bernardo home, where he then beat and sexually assaulted the girl.

Despite a psychologist's recommendation that Gardner never see the light of day, he was sentenced to six years and was out on the streets in five.

"Are the laws miswritten? We're going to solve this," Brent King said.

Brent and Kelly King are now dedicated to changing the laws.

"The rest of our lives, this is what we do,"

Wednesday in court, for the first time the couple looked their daughter's accused killer in the face.

"I won't even say his name. He doesn't deserve a name," Brent King said.

According to prosecutors, semen found at the scene matched that of John Gardner. They also say if found guilty, Gardner is eligible for the death penalty.

"I always told my children if anything happens to you I'll make sure, and I am letting the courts and the DA make sure for me," Brent King said.

The Kings told News 8 they also plan on contacting the parents of Megan Kanka and Jessica Lunsford to gain some knowledge on how to re-write laws against sex offenders.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: akmom on March 04, 2010, 06:35:29 PM
    I posted in Amber's thread but thought I should bring it here too.  Jean Casaris was discussing the cases on HLN.  She stated that she asked LE if clothing from Amber was found with JAG and she said LE hemmed and hawed.  She felt that might mean something.  Prayers for both families.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 04, 2010, 06:36:23 PM
    I posted in Amber's thread but thought I should bring it here too.  Jean Casaris was discussing the cases on HLN.  She stated that she asked LE if clothing from Amber was found with JAG and she said LE hemmed and hawed.  She felt that might mean something.  Prayers for both families.
Oh my  ::MonkeyEek:: Thanks for posting that.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 04, 2010, 06:43:44 PM
http://www.mountain-news.com/            Gardners yearbook photo. He has to have been on steroids, imo, to look the way he does now compared to then.  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Nut44x4 on March 04, 2010, 06:54:59 PM
Well, if he is indeed on Roids', that will be his defense :roll:


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 04, 2010, 06:56:37 PM
Well, if he is indeed on Roids', that will be his defense :roll:
And if it is true, he is bipolar as well,  I'm sure that will come into play also  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: akmom on March 04, 2010, 06:59:47 PM
http://www.mountain-news.com/            Gardners yearbook photo. He has to have been on steroids, imo, to look the way he does now compared to then.  ::MonkeyEek::


Wow, I sure wonder if he is on steroids.  As much as I can't stand JVM she is going to be covering these cases extensively it sounds like.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: mymonkey on March 04, 2010, 07:01:45 PM
http://www.cbs8.com/Global/story.asp?S=12084870

Chelsea King's parents say they want justice for their daughter
Posted: Mar 04, 2010 11:56 AM PST Updated: Mar 04, 2010 11:56 AM PST

POWAY, Calif. (CBS 8) - Chelsea King's parents are still coming to grips with the loss of their daughter. The prime suspect, registered sex offender John Gardner, is being held without bail.

Brent and Kelly King are saying they want justice for their daughter. Chelsea King's parents sat down with News 8 just one day after looking their daughter's accused killer in the eye.

It's one week to the day the King's 17-year-old daughter went missing.

"I think we've experienced emotions we never even knew existed," Kelly King said.

The body of a young woman investigators believe to be Chelsea was discovered Tuesday off the Southeast end of Lake Hodges.

"Yes, we found Chelsea. Yes, we found the horrible man that did this, but this is just the beginning," Kelly King said.

Ten years ago, Gardner picked up a 13-year-old girl at a bus stop. He took her back to his mother's Rancho Bernardo home, where he then beat and sexually assaulted the girl.

Despite a psychologist's recommendation that Gardner never see the light of day, he was sentenced to six years and was out on the streets in five.

"Are the laws miswritten? We're going to solve this," Brent King said.

Brent and Kelly King are now dedicated to changing the laws.

"The rest of our lives, this is what we do,"

Wednesday in court, for the first time the couple looked their daughter's accused killer in the face.

"I won't even say his name. He doesn't deserve a name," Brent King said.

According to prosecutors, semen found at the scene matched that of John Gardner. They also say if found guilty, Gardner is eligible for the death penalty.

"I always told my children if anything happens to you I'll make sure, and I am letting the courts and the DA make sure for me," Brent King said.

The Kings told News 8 they also plan on contacting the parents of Megan Kanka and Jessica Lunsford to gain some knowledge on how to re-write laws against sex offenders.


What brave people the King's are...and I do believe they will see to it that their daughters death will change the laws and not be  just another victim..I commend these parents I pray for their strength to be supplied to them each day and our heavenly father holds their hand and guides them thru this journey. ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: klaasend on March 04, 2010, 07:03:16 PM
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub8/GardnerHSCompare.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub8/Integrascan.jpg)


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: mymonkey on March 04, 2010, 07:13:05 PM
http://www.mountain-news.com/            Gardners yearbook photo. He has to have been on steroids, imo, to look the way he does now compared to then.  ::MonkeyEek::


Wow, I sure wonder if he is on steroids.  As much as I can't stand JVM she is going to be covering these cases extensively it sounds like.


I have seen a member of my family on steroids and his forehead and neck look like Jag
He also took the  steroids until they drove him crazy and he took his own life, another thing is they affect the male from being able to perform sexually... ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: sebastian on March 04, 2010, 07:17:48 PM
Somewhere in Ambers thread there is a story of an attempted abduction by a man in a white truck with ladders on the side. Anyone recall that? I can't find it. I think they said the man was hispanic but I want to confirm that.

I don't remember where the story is but I know that it was in Rancho Santa Fe California. And by the way, you and klaas have nanners.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: AZSunny on March 04, 2010, 07:19:32 PM


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Who are these people protecting John A. Gardner III the MONSTER?  And yes, the mom is Catherine J. Osborn.  Who are the O'Reillys?
This is very interesting - I wonder who these people are too? Aunt and Uncle?  And where does Carol Osborn, his mother live?  Where is his father? Time to start digging.

I believe it is Katherine, not Carol Osborn..


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: klaasend on March 04, 2010, 07:19:49 PM
http://www.rimoftheworld.net/discuss/208/62641?page=1

Comments:

From: herblady
Sent: Wednesday, March 3, 2010 08:00 AM
He was/is QUITE charming when he wants to be, to get what he wants.

From: ThatVideoGuy
Sent: Wednesday, March 3, 2010 09:06 AM
I graduated a year behind him, and sad to say, knew him. This guy has always been a monumental jerk, he's always been into younger girls, and I wouldn't be surprised if they found out he has a long laundry list of rape/disappearances tied to him.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: SunnyinTX on March 04, 2010, 07:20:31 PM
http://www.10news.com/news/22739243/detail.html        Same day, same park that Chelsea was at and abducted and murdered, there was a man stalking another child   ::MonkeyNoNo:: Appears to be Gardner, by the description of the car.

nrcg, it sure does....I have that sinking feeling that he is a serial rapist and murderer


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: SunnyinTX on March 04, 2010, 07:22:12 PM
Hey all -

Update on a couple of things -

1) The journalist that I was exchanging emails with over at the UT put out a story that the DNA from the swab from the December 27th attack came back as the victims.  She was the only one to get an actual quote from a named LE official on the issue.  However, she also noted that they "rushed the sample through" after learning that it was Gardner's DNA on Chelsea's clothing.  An excuse about backlogs was given, but the issue of why San Diego County only spent half of their prop 69 funds in 2008 goes unanswered.  I'll update when I have an answer.

2) An in-law that is a detective in a Southern California police dept told me yesterday that LE has now already tied 5 other victims of attempted abductions to Gardner and that they expect to get more.  It seems he was very very active.  Hearsay rule invoked: I can't divulge the source and he is not working the case (not his jurisdiction) but is monitoring it and has guys checking into unsolved attempted abductions in his jurisdiction.  Don't be surprised if JAG ends up with more charges added so that they can load him up for a trip to the gurney.

  thanks Adam.....how is your son doing?


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: SunnyinTX on March 04, 2010, 07:23:08 PM
I have gone to the recorders office and property tax office online - bummer because California does not show the owner's name on the property tax statement online - I am still digging I can't find any recorded docs under Catherine Osborn but the process is rather time consuming because it only allows you to search 3 years at a time.   ::MonkeyEek::

thanks Mission ::MonkeyGavel::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: cookie on March 04, 2010, 07:57:30 PM
We should be MAD. It's about time. Seems to me these pieces o' sh** are not afraid of prison. 

If castration doesn't work, then how about DEATH. I am not even close to kidding here. Life in prison, maybe, but would cost a lot of taxpayer $$$. I'm for the death penalty. Molest or rape a child -- you die.  ::MonkeyMad::

I'm sorry to vent, but I am so SICK of this. It seems to be happening more and more. What? Can a girl or woman no longer leave the house at all???

My daughter is planning for college ... bet Chelsea was too ... making plans, looking forward to a bright future.

Five minutes. Just let me in there with him for five little minutes. 



skipping ahead...few pages behind but I had to jump ahead to say 100% agree with everything that you just said! 100%!


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on March 04, 2010, 08:06:20 PM
I dont know if this was posted...

 OSBORN, CATHERINE JEANNETTE (Age 54)

Associated names:

 GARDNER, CATHERINE J
 GARDNERPOPPE, CATHERINE
 OSBORN, CATHY
 OSBORN, CATHERINE JEANETTE
 OSBORNE, C
 POPPE, CATHERINE J

Available

SAN DIEGO, CA
PALMDALE, CA
LOS ANGELES, CA
LANCASTER, CA
RUNNING SPRINGS, CA
REDLANDS, CA
ARROWBEAR LAKE, CA
CULVER CITY, CA
LAWNDALE, CA
HAWTHORNE, CA

Possible Relatives:

JUDSON, CHRISTIE LYNN (Age 42)
GARDNER, JOHN ALBERT (Age 65)
POPPE, RONALD M (Age 76)
GARDNER, JOHN A
POPPE, MARY ELLEN (Age 75)
OSBORN, LINDA C (Age 75)
GARDNER, DEANNA N (Age 62)
GARDNER, CATHERINE ANN (Age 38)
OSBORN, MICHAEL PHILLIP (Age 52)

Possible Roommates / Associates:

JERRED, JESSE JAMES (Age 41)
STAPLES, JESSE O (Age 65)
REED, JACK PAUL (Age 54)
DEBRUYN, SOPHIA L (Age 26)
 
http://www.veromi.net/Summary.asp?fn=catherine&mn=&ln=osborn&dobmm=&dobdd=&doby=&city=&state=CA&age=&vw=&Search=&Input=&x=80&y=15


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on March 04, 2010, 08:13:39 PM
  JUDSON, CHRISTIE LYNN (Age 42)

Associated names:

 DERKSEN, CHRISTIE L
GARDNER, CHRISTIE L
 JUDSON, CHRISTINE

Available

NORTH LAS VEGAS, NV
LAS VEGAS, NV
DALEVILLE, AL
LANCASTER, CA
PALMDALE, CA Possible Relatives:

JUDSON, GEORGE F (Age 73)
BANNISTER, DANITA D (Age 35)
GARDNER, JOHN A
GARDNER, JOHN ALBERT (Age 65)
OSBORN, CATHERINE JEANNETTE (Age 54)
GARDNER, DEANNA N (Age 62)
DERKSEN, LARRY N (Age 39)
JUDSON, RICHARD S (Age 58)
JUDSON, RICHARD S (Age 42)

Possible Roommates / Associates:

SANTOS, SHANNON ELIZABETH (Age 38)
BERNING, HILDA M (Age 67)
KENNEY, ERIC PHILLIP (Age 43)
 


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: mymonkey on March 04, 2010, 08:23:59 PM
We should be MAD. It's about time. Seems to me these pieces o' sh** are not afraid of prison. 

If castration doesn't work, then how about DEATH. I am not even close to kidding here. Life in prison, maybe, but would cost a lot of taxpayer $$$. I'm for the death penalty. Molest or rape a child -- you die.  ::MonkeyMad::

I'm sorry to vent, but I am so SICK of this. It seems to be happening more and more. What? Can a girl or woman no longer leave the house at all???

My daughter is planning for college ... bet Chelsea was too ... making plans, looking forward to a bright future.

Five minutes. Just let me in there with him for five little minutes. 



skipping ahead...few pages behind but I had to jump ahead to say 100% agree with everything that you just said! 100%!


Why not let the people vote what to do...I think we have a right to say....DEATH PENALTY ...It really scares me that this can happen to anyone of our children or grandchildren... ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: klaasend on March 04, 2010, 08:30:01 PM
Thanks Jerseygirl!

Sure seems like JAG's mom was married a bunch of times.  It also looks like she is hiding her assets/properties. 


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: AZSunny on March 04, 2010, 08:44:25 PM
Thanks Jerseygirl!

Sure seems like JAG's mom was married a bunch of times.  It also looks like she is hiding her assets/properties. 

and who the heck are the O'reillys????


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Jerseygirl345 on March 04, 2010, 09:02:06 PM
I don't know it this was posted...

The Enterprise Report has learned exclusively that the accused killer of 17-year old San Diego high school student Chelsea King -- John Albert Gardner, a registered sex offender from Lake Elsinore, CA was stopped by police In Riverside County, CA, only three weeks prior the disappearance of the San Diego teenager.

King's body is believed to have been located by police investigating her disappearance from a park in Northern San Diego County last week. Gardner was arraigned on murder charges today in San Diego and has plead not guilty.


Gardner was stopped by police in Riverside Co. on January 30, 2010 according to court records reviewed the The Enterprise Report.  The reason for the police stop is not yet known, but Gardner was cited for not having proof of insurance and for driving without registration for the car.  Whether or not police investigators in San Diego County were aware of the Riverside County case is still not known.
 

According to court records reviewed by TER, Gardner, who was already a suspect in a previous December 2009 attack on another women in the same San Diego park has been linked by police to that attack.  Gardner never bothered to show up to the Riverside Court or properly take carer of the citation as required by law after the January police stop.

Having not done so, Gardner's name should have generated a warrant for his arrest issued by the court handling the case.  According to the Riverside County Sheriff's Dept, no warrant currently exists for Gardner in their system.  According to court records reviewed by TER the CA-DMV was notified of the case by the Riverside Court as the law requires.   


Gardner who is registered as a convicted sex offender in Riverside Co, was staying with his mother who lives in San Diego County near the crime scene. Chelsea King was last seen on last Thursday when she headed to the park for a jog.

http://theenterprisereport.typepad.com/news/2010/03/exclusive-sex-offender-accused-killer-john-gardner-stopped-by-police-3-weeks-prior-to-murder-of-chel.html



Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 04, 2010, 09:04:11 PM
Thanks Jersey  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: cookie on March 04, 2010, 09:14:35 PM
Her parents are on Larry King Live right now...sad..


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: darla on March 04, 2010, 09:28:14 PM
Good Evening Monkeys and Guest!

Geesh....it looks like there were so many opportunities to lock this guy up for something . He should have still been in prison for the 2000 charges.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Tracygirl on March 04, 2010, 09:56:18 PM
I dont know if this was posted...

 OSBORN, CATHERINE JEANNETTE (Age 54)

Associated names:

 GARDNER, CATHERINE J
 GARDNERPOPPE, CATHERINE
 OSBORN, CATHY
 OSBORN, CATHERINE JEANETTE
 OSBORNE, C
 POPPE, CATHERINE J

Available

SAN DIEGO, CA
PALMDALE, CA
LOS ANGELES, CA
LANCASTER, CA
RUNNING SPRINGS, CA
REDLANDS, CA
ARROWBEAR LAKE, CA
CULVER CITY, CA
LAWNDALE, CA
HAWTHORNE, CA

Possible Relatives:

JUDSON, CHRISTIE LYNN (Age 42)
GARDNER, JOHN ALBERT (Age 65)
POPPE, RONALD M (Age 76)
GARDNER, JOHN A
POPPE, MARY ELLEN (Age 75)
OSBORN, LINDA C (Age 75)
GARDNER, DEANNA N (Age 62)
GARDNER, CATHERINE ANN (Age 38)
OSBORN, MICHAEL PHILLIP (Age 52)

Possible Roommates / Associates:

JERRED, JESSE JAMES (Age 41)
STAPLES, JESSE O (Age 65)
REED, JACK PAUL (Age 54)
DEBRUYN, SOPHIA L (Age 26)
 
http://www.veromi.net/Summary.asp?fn=catherine&mn=&ln=osborn&dobmm=&dobdd=&doby=&city=&state=CA&age=&vw=&Search=&Input=&x=80&y=15

This is his mother...Does he have connections in all of these cities? Then idaho as well? What about the placed in between Idaho and So California? Does anyone feel maybe he was in another state or at least out of the So Cal area during the spring and summer months? It sure seems as though most of the crimes so far have been in the fall winter months. Are there any states or areas that have seen an increase in missing persons int he spring/summer? Just something to consider.
I agree completely with Sunny, we are going to find out he is a seriel killer...A seriel killer who was let out of prison, not good. I actually fear how many young girls (and boys???) are not alive because of him.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: klaasend on March 04, 2010, 10:04:36 PM
http://www.10news.com/news/22747383/detail.html

Neighbors Unaware Of Gardner's Sex Offender Status


POSTED: 5:38 pm PST March 4, 2010
UPDATED: 6:31 pm PST March 4, 2010

ESCONDIDO, Calif. -- Residents at the Rock Springs apartment complex in Escondido expressed shock after learning the man charged with the rape and slaying of Chelsea King was recently their neighbor.

Neighbors told 10News John Gardner lived in the complex until January of this year and that children lived just inches away.

"It's just scary to know that he's a sex offender not knowing that he was around our apartment complex," said former neighbor Victor Valadez.

Several residents -- many with children -- all said Gardner lived with a woman they believed was his girlfriend, along with two young boys.

Neighbors said they thought the children were Gardner's sons, but did not know for sure. They told 10News there was constant yelling and screaming coming from his apartment.

Alicia Morales lived directly across from Gardner and said the violent arguing prompted her to do some digging. She said she found Gardner's photo on the Megan's Law Web site and immediately warned her neighbors.

Armando Reyes and his family lived next door to Gardner and said when word spread about his past, Gardner approached him and said the photo was a mistake and that he "had nothing to worry about."

Shortly after, however, Gardner moved out, according to residents.

The next time the residents saw him was after his arrest in the death of Chelsea King.

Gardner registered as a sex offender in Lake Elsinore on January 7, 10News learned.

The staff at the Rock Springs apartment complex said they never noticed any suspicious activity coming from Gardner's apartment. They also said they were unaware he was a sex offender.



Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Northern Rose on March 04, 2010, 10:41:28 PM
BLOCKED WEBSITE


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Northern Rose on March 04, 2010, 10:43:45 PM
John Albert Gardner III, 30, has pleaded not guilty to charges of trying to rape and murdering Poway High School senior Chelsea King.

investigators are reviewing some unsolved cases, including the October 2009 attempted kidnapping of a teen in Lake Elsinore, in the wake of the arrest of a Lake Elsinore-area registered sex offender in connection with the killing of a Poway teen.

John Albert Gardner III, 30, has pleaded not guilty to charges of trying to rape and murdering Poway High School senior Chelsea King, who vanished last week during a jogging outing in northern Rancho Bernardo. Gardner is a resident of Lakeland Village just outside Lake Elsinore and has lived in the three-story home for about six months.

Deputy Melissa Nieburger, spokeswoman for the Riverside County Sheriff’s Department, said investigators are reviewing several cases, including an Oct. 28 attempted kidnapping of a female teenager who told police a man brandished a gun at her on a Lake Elsinore street and demanded the girl get into his vehicle. A composite drawing was made of the suspect, but no arrests have been made.

“There is no denying he looks like the composite,” Nieburger said. “Does that mean it is him? Does that mean he did it? Of course not, but our investigators want to look into it. The investigation is wide open.”

Gardner was arrested Sunday in connection with the disappearance of the 17-year-old student. San Diego Sheriff Bill Gore has said that physical evidence led them to Gardner but declined to elaborate. The teen disappeared while jogging at a park near Lake Hodges and her body was discovered a few days later. Authorities have said Gardner was living at a home near the park.

The body was covered by a layer of earth and debris about a half-mile from where Chelsea, an avid runner, had parked her car at Rancho Bernardo Community Park on Thursday afternoon.

Detectives have linked Gardner to another attack late last year on a jogger in the same open-space area where Chelsea was last seen, according to police.

In the October incident in Lake Elsinore, the victim said she was in the 32900 block of Machado Street walking to a friend’s house when she was approached by a man in a vehicle. The man asked the teen for directions and after a brief discussion, the man showed the victim a handgun and demanded she get in his vehicle. The victim refused and fled the scene.

The suspect has been described as an unshaven white male adult, 30 to 35 years of age, fair complexion with a blonde crew cut and brown eyes. The suspect vehicle was described as a 1990’s gold, four-door sedan.

Nieburger said Gardner is not a suspect in any Riverside County cases, but investigators want to look back and see if there may be some connection to him.

http://www.swrnn.com/southwest-riverside/2010-03-04/news/rivco-looks-at-gardner-as-investigators-review-attempted-kidnapping-of-teen-in-lake-elsinore


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Northern Rose on March 04, 2010, 10:46:20 PM
What Makes A Sex Offender Become A Killer?

SAN DIEGO -- It's hard to predict and even harder to ignore the moment a sex offender becomes a killer, but a local psychologist said there are some clear warning signs when pinpointing a violent sexual predator.

"It's about satisfaction at my cost," said clinical psychologist Michael Mantell, who has worked with many sex offenders.

Many wonder when that hunt for satisfaction turns into murder, and Mantell told 10News, "Many of them commit what we call 'lust murders.' The act of murder is a sexual experience."

Mantell said it is a final act in a pattern of behavior often littered with animal cruelty, rape fantasies and violence.

In the case of John Gardner, the man accused in the rape and slaying of 17-year-old Chelsea King, he was handed a six-year sentence for molesting and beating a 13-year-old girl in 2000. At the time, he was nearly 21 years old.

"My guess is this is not the first time he's acted out on his obsession for violence," said Mantell.

In addition to the King case, Gardner is now charged with another assault and attempted rape in December. He is also being looked at in other cases, including the case of missing Escondido teen Amber Dubois.

Mantell said sex offenders usually obsess over violent fantasies prior to killing.

"They move from someone obsessed with sexual satisfaction to domination, control and sadistic sexual fantasies," said Mantell.

It was a desire for domination on display in the form of Scott Erskine, who sexually assaulted and killed two boys in San Diego in 1993. Erskine had a history of violence dating back to his early teens, including an assault on a female jogger.

"It's like a hunger that needs to be filled and eventually, when he has the opportunity, that's when he fulfills his desire," said Mantell.

Mantell said it's hard to predict who will ultimately cross that line of violence turning deadly.

One example cited was in the case of Danielle van Dam, where the man convicted for her death, David Westerfield, did not have a criminal record.

http://www.10news.com/news/22747842/detail.html


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Shell on March 04, 2010, 11:15:11 PM
Somewhere in Ambers thread there is a story of an attempted abduction by a man in a white truck with ladders on the side. Anyone recall that? I can't find it. I think they said the man was hispanic but I want to confirm that.

I don't remember where the story is but I know that it was in Rancho Santa Fe California. And by the way, you and klaas have nanners.

I remember the story well...I know I saw news reports of it and I think it was posted in Ambers thread, it would have been the week before Chelsea went missing.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Shell on March 04, 2010, 11:22:48 PM
http://www.10news.com/news/22747383/detail.html

Neighbors Unaware Of Gardner's Sex Offender Status


POSTED: 5:38 pm PST March 4, 2010
UPDATED: 6:31 pm PST March 4, 2010

ESCONDIDO, Calif. -- Residents at the Rock Springs apartment complex in Escondido expressed shock after learning the man charged with the rape and slaying of Chelsea King was recently their neighbor.

Neighbors told 10News John Gardner lived in the complex until January of this year and that children lived just inches away.

"It's just scary to know that he's a sex offender not knowing that he was around our apartment complex," said former neighbor Victor Valadez.

Several residents -- many with children -- all said Gardner lived with a woman they believed was his girlfriend, along with two young boys.

Neighbors said they thought the children were Gardner's sons, but did not know for sure. They told 10News there was constant yelling and screaming coming from his apartment.

Alicia Morales lived directly across from Gardner and said the violent arguing prompted her to do some digging. She said she found Gardner's photo on the Megan's Law Web site and immediately warned her neighbors.

Armando Reyes and his family lived next door to Gardner and said when word spread about his past, Gardner approached him and said the photo was a mistake and that he "had nothing to worry about."

Shortly after, however, Gardner moved out, according to residents.

The next time the residents saw him was after his arrest in the death of Chelsea King.

Gardner registered as a sex offender in Lake Elsinore on January 7, 10News learned.

The staff at the Rock Springs apartment complex said they never noticed any suspicious activity coming from Gardner's apartment. They also said they were unaware he was a sex offender.



In the newspaper today, one neighbor said she saw teenagers (boys and girls) frequently going in and out of Gardners apartment.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: klaasend on March 04, 2010, 11:28:20 PM
http://www.sandiego6.com/news/local/story/Rancho-Santa-Fe-Child-Abduction-Attempts/QteQtNy6GUWiXBlQuhMIEA.cspx


Rancho Santa Fe Child Abduction Attempts


   Reported by: Antonio Castelan
Email: antonio.castelan@sandiego6.com
Last Update: 2/19 12:04 am
(http://www.sandiego6.com/media/lib/38/8/0/0/800a1164-eab3-4780-852e-dd9554c3b6e0/Original.jpg)

RANCHO SANTA FE - On Thursday, investigators released a sketch of a man suspected of trying to lure children into his truck in the Rancho Santa Fe area. Sheriff deputies say already three separate times this week the suspect tried to pick up either a girl or boy.

The attempted child kidnappings happened near the 6200 block of Paseo Delicias in Rancho Santa Fe.

Stacey Feinberg talks about the alert she received from her daughter's school. Her daughter, Bailey, is a second grader at Rancho Santa Fe elementary. Teachers put out a warning of a man trying to lure kids into his truck.

Feinberg said,  "I was shocked, because we moved to this beautiful little hamlet because we didn't think things like this happened."

Officers say a man driving a white truck tried to pick up some girls ranging from the ages of 8 to 10 years old from their driveways.  In another attempt the man reportedly drove his truck right up next to a girl while she was in a crosswalk. Now Feinberg has made the message clear to her child: stay away from strangers.

Feinberg said,  "No matter what anybody says to you, wave, smiles, 'come on over -- I have candy -- help me find my puppy' --  if it's a stranger, you don't go near them."

Witnesses describe the suspect as a Latino man in his thirties to fifties.  He has a thin mustache with large glasses. The suspect drives a white truck with ladders on the sides.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Northern Rose on March 04, 2010, 11:28:48 PM
Somewhere in Ambers thread there is a story of an attempted abduction by a man in a white truck with ladders on the side. Anyone recall that? I can't find it. I think they said the man was hispanic but I want to confirm that.

I don't remember where the story is but I know that it was in Rancho Santa Fe California. And by the way, you and klaas have nanners.

I remember the story well...I know I saw news reports of it and I think it was posted in Ambers thread, it would have been the week before Chelsea went missing.

This one?  It fits his MO.


Woman escapes kidnap attempt in CamarilloSaturday, March 28, 2009
CAMARILLO, Calif. (KABC) -- Officers are on extra patrols in an upscale Camarillo neighborhood after a woman escaped an attempted kidnapping.

The woman was walking in the neighborhood of million dollar homes when she was confronted by the suspect.

The 24-year-old victim told investigators that she couldn't sleep and decided to go for a walk in the neighborhood near Worth Way and Castillo De Rosas around 2 a.m. Saturday. As she was walking the suspect drove up in a truck and asked for directions.

"She started giving him directions to the gas station, and all of a sudden he got out of the truck and grabbed her by the arm and tried to pull her," said Sgt. Steve Sagely of the Ventura County Sheriff's Department.

Officers said as the two struggled another car drove up and scared the suspect off. The suspect's vehicle is described as an older model American pickup truck with an extended cab and a large toolbox in the back.

Investigators said the suspect is a white male in his late 20s about 6 feet tall and 180 pounds with short brown hair.

Anyone who recognizes the person in the police sketch is asked to call the Ventura County Sheriff's Department at (805) 654-9511.


http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?section=news/local/ventura_county&id=6734107


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: klaasend on March 04, 2010, 11:29:58 PM
http://www.10news.com/news/22747383/detail.html

Neighbors Unaware Of Gardner's Sex Offender Status


POSTED: 5:38 pm PST March 4, 2010
UPDATED: 6:31 pm PST March 4, 2010

ESCONDIDO, Calif. -- Residents at the Rock Springs apartment complex in Escondido expressed shock after learning the man charged with the rape and slaying of Chelsea King was recently their neighbor.

Neighbors told 10News John Gardner lived in the complex until January of this year and that children lived just inches away.

"It's just scary to know that he's a sex offender not knowing that he was around our apartment complex," said former neighbor Victor Valadez.

Several residents -- many with children -- all said Gardner lived with a woman they believed was his girlfriend, along with two young boys.

Neighbors said they thought the children were Gardner's sons, but did not know for sure. They told 10News there was constant yelling and screaming coming from his apartment.

Alicia Morales lived directly across from Gardner and said the violent arguing prompted her to do some digging. She said she found Gardner's photo on the Megan's Law Web site and immediately warned her neighbors.

Armando Reyes and his family lived next door to Gardner and said when word spread about his past, Gardner approached him and said the photo was a mistake and that he "had nothing to worry about."

Shortly after, however, Gardner moved out, according to residents.

The next time the residents saw him was after his arrest in the death of Chelsea King.

Gardner registered as a sex offender in Lake Elsinore on January 7, 10News learned.

The staff at the Rock Springs apartment complex said they never noticed any suspicious activity coming from Gardner's apartment. They also said they were unaware he was a sex offender.



In the newspaper today, one neighbor said she saw teenagers (boys and girls) frequently going in and out of Gardners apartment.

I'm confused about where he was living.  There is his moms townhouse, the house in Lake Elsinore and also the apartment on Rock Springs....right?  So is the neighbor talking about the Rock Springs apartment?


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Shell on March 04, 2010, 11:31:57 PM

The article also said...Garner lived on one of the apartments/townlouses and moved into another one. The time frame would have been after Amber went missing. That makes me think that the apartment he moved out of should be checked for Ambers dna. Maybe he took her there or maybe there is something connecting him.

http://nctimes.com/news/local/poway/article_ef67182e-e46e-5a9a-b66f-f1ade971a31e.html

Suspect lived in Escondido as recently as January

Neighbors say he had teens over for video games
By CHRIS NICHOLS - cnichols@nctimes.com | Posted: March 3, 2010 11:05 pm | (28) Comments  | Print
he registered sex offender charged with raping and killing a Poway teen last week invited teenage boys and girls to play video games at the Escondido apartment complex where he lived as recently as January, next-door neighbors said Wednesday.

"It's just really scary," said Monica Maldonado, who said she lived next door to John Albert Gardner III at the Rock Springs East complex for about five or six months last year. "Maybe if I had known (that Gardner was a sex offender) I would have called the police when I saw those kids hanging around there."

"I saw kids coming and going," added another neighbor, who said she lived in an apartment above Gardner for nearly nine months until late December or early January. She estimated the teens were between 16 and 18 years old.
The neighbors said they provided the same information Tuesday to Escondido police detectives.

John Gardner's time in Escondido, plus his sexual assault history, has fueled speculation he may be responsible not only for the slaying of Chelsea King of Poway, but also the disappearance of Amber Dubois of Escondido.

Authorities say they have not established a firm link between Gardner and Amber, who was 14 when she vanished Feb. 13, 2009, on her way to class at Escondido High School.

Escondido police Lt. Craig Carter said Wednesday his agency contacted Gardner "no less than eight times" during the two years he lived in the city, including two months after Amber went missing.

Carter, however, would not say whether Gardner was contacted specifically about Amber's disappearance or characterize any of the eight contacts. He did say that Gardner had been visited by police the month before and the month after Amber vanished.
Carter, however, would not say whether Gardner was contacted specifically about Amber's disappearance or characterize any of the eight contacts. He did say that Gardner had been visited by police the month before and the month after Amber vanished.

Carter said he would not be more specific about his agency's monitoring of Gardner because San Diego County District Attorney Bonnie Dumanis requested all information related to Gardner be directed through her office, even information about Gardner from two years ago.

"We don't want to overstep on their case," the lieutenant said.

A spokesman for the district attorney's office, Paul Levikow, would not comment on the matter.
Carter did say that specially trained Escondido police officers make impromptu checks on sex offenders in the city. He said it was his understanding that the department is not required to make those checks.

He noted that of the 192 registered sex offenders in the city, all but two are accounted for, adding that some leave the city without providing his agency with a new address.

Gardner is being held without bail after pleading not guilty Wednesday to the rape and murder of 17-year-old Chelsea King. A body believed to be that of the Poway High School senior was found Tuesday in a shallow grave near Lake Hodges.

Following Gardner's arraignment in San Diego Superior Court, Maurice "Moe" Dubois, Amber's father, spoke about the two cases during a press conference at the downtown courthouse.

He said Amber's family feels there's a strong chance Gardner took their loved one.

"In our hearts, we don't want to accept that," he said, wearing a button with Amber's picture pinned to his dark suit. "We are going to keep searching for Amber. We think she's still alive."

Moe Dubois added that Escondido police and the Sheriff's Department, the lead agency on the Chelsea King case, were working "hand in hand" to determine whether there's a link.

Amber's mother, Carrie McGonigle, said in a phone interview Wednesday that Escondido police have not specified whether Gardner was interrogated about Amber or whether they simply contacted him as part of their regular checks on sex offenders.

"I don't want him to be the guy because that means I have to bury my daughter," McGonigle said.

She said volunteers aiding in her daughter's search staked out Gardner's Rock Springs East apartment last year but never saw him there. She said Amber's family created a list of all sex offenders in the area to keep tabs on them.

McGonigle said she hoped police would take a closer look at all sex offenders, not just Gardner.

Later Wednesday evening, McGonigle appeared on the "Larry King Live" television show in Los Angeles. She said "the possibility is great" that her daughter was taken by Gardner.

She added that she "wants closure."

Escondido police said last year they had interviewed sex offenders in the area as part of their investigation into Amber's disappearance. Carter, the Escondido lieutenant, could not say Wednesday whether all sex offenders in the city had been interviewed regarding Amber.

Residents at the Rock Springs East complex said Gardner has two young sons and would often fight with their mother, who moved out and took the two boys. A girlfriend later moved in and loud fights continued, they said.

They said they noted that he changed apartments at the complex at some point in 2009.

April Henry, manager at Rock Springs East, would not comment about Gardner or whether tenants at the complex were informed about Gardner's history as a sex offender.

The neighbor who lived above him said she found out about Gardner's history online and notified a neighbor with children. That written notice was later copied and circulated by some tenants, she said.

She added that Gardner moved out of the Escondido complex in late December 2009 or early January 2010.

The state's sex offender registry listed Gardner most recently as a Lake Elsinore-area resident. His parents, until this week, lived in a Rancho Bernardo townhome.

Riverside County sheriff's Sgt. Bruce Smith, with the Riverside County Sexual Assault Felony Task Force, said Gardner registered as a sex offender at the Lake Elsinore address on Jan. 7 this year. No one visited the home to verify his residency, Smith said.

Call staff writer Chris Nichols at 760-740-5426.

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Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Northern Rose on March 04, 2010, 11:42:50 PM
http://www.10news.com/news/22747383/detail.html

Neighbors Unaware Of Gardner's Sex Offender Status


POSTED: 5:38 pm PST March 4, 2010
UPDATED: 6:31 pm PST March 4, 2010

ESCONDIDO, Calif. -- Residents at the Rock Springs apartment complex in Escondido expressed shock after learning the man charged with the rape and slaying of Chelsea King was recently their neighbor.

Neighbors told 10News John Gardner lived in the complex until January of this year and that children lived just inches away.

"It's just scary to know that he's a sex offender not knowing that he was around our apartment complex," said former neighbor Victor Valadez.

Several residents -- many with children -- all said Gardner lived with a woman they believed was his girlfriend, along with two young boys.

Neighbors said they thought the children were Gardner's sons, but did not know for sure. They told 10News there was constant yelling and screaming coming from his apartment.

Alicia Morales lived directly across from Gardner and said the violent arguing prompted her to do some digging. She said she found Gardner's photo on the Megan's Law Web site and immediately warned her neighbors.

Armando Reyes and his family lived next door to Gardner and said when word spread about his past, Gardner approached him and said the photo was a mistake and that he "had nothing to worry about."

Shortly after, however, Gardner moved out, according to residents.

The next time the residents saw him was after his arrest in the death of Chelsea King.

Gardner registered as a sex offender in Lake Elsinore on January 7, 10News learned.

The staff at the Rock Springs apartment complex said they never noticed any suspicious activity coming from Gardner's apartment. They also said they were unaware he was a sex offender.



In the newspaper today, one neighbor said she saw teenagers (boys and girls) frequently going in and out of Gardners apartment.

I'm confused about where he was living.  There is his moms townhouse, the house in Lake Elsinore and also the apartment on Rock Springs....right?  So is the neighbor talking about the Rock Springs apartment?

 I could be wrong but I think they are talking Rock Springs in Escondido.  Neighbours of Grannie at Lake Elsinore said he lived there for a while and then would come back at least twice a week to do things around the house recently.  Neighbours of Mom said he lived there and was working on a Cadillac on the drive way.  Maybe he moved around between places?


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Shell on March 04, 2010, 11:43:36 PM


There are so many white trucks with ladders on the sides in RSF and Escondido and areas around, you can't even imagine.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Northern Rose on March 04, 2010, 11:46:53 PM
I still want to know why the O'Reillys have mom's address on their website to mail pictures to for restoration and as their business address and why their name is on Grandma's house?  Who are they?


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Northern Rose on March 04, 2010, 11:48:35 PM
Here's another one that fits his MO.


Attempted kidnapping reported in Oxnard
Posted September 4, 2008 at 11:27 a.m.

An unidentified man allegedly tried to kidnap a teenage girl at gunpoint in Oxnard Wednesday night, police said.

The 17-year-old girl was walking in the area of Gonzales Road and Lantana Street about 10:30 p.m. when a man who appeared to be in his 20s drove up in a pickup truck, pulled a handgun and ordered her into his car, Oxnard police said in a prepared statement.

When she saw the gun, the girl ran away and contacted police.

She was not injured.

Police quickly responded to the scene, but did not locate the man or the small, light colored pickup truck he was driving, according to the release.

The attempted kidnapper was described as having a mustache and wearing a blue checkered flannel shirt and black gloves, police said.

The investigation is ongoing.

Anyone with information about the crime can call Crime Stoppers at 1-800-222-TIPS.

Tipsters who give information leading to the arrest of the attempted kidnapper could received up to $1,000.


http://www.vcstar.com/news/2008/sep/04/no-headline---nxxfcmorningreport05/


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Northern Rose on March 05, 2010, 12:08:46 AM
 ::MonkeyEek::

Man tries to kidnap girl on her way home from school
By Brian Day on December 9, 2009 7:50 PM


HACIENDA HEIGHTS -- Sheriff's deputies searched Wednesday for a man who allegedly attempted to kidnap an 11-year-old girl in Hacienda Heights on her way home from school, authorities said.
A man tried to grab the girl walking near the intersection of Countrywood Avenue and Wedgeworth Drive about 2:45 p.m., said Sgt. Hugo Macias. He missed her and the girl ran away, he said.
The heavy-set man in his 30s, possibly 6 feet tall and with a shaved head, was driving a dark green pickup truck, according to the girl's description to authorities.
Authorities are investigating it as an attempted kidnapping, Macias said.
Anyone with information is asked to call the sheriff's Industry Station at (626) 330-3322.

http://www.insidesocal.com/sgvcrime/2009/12/man-tries-to-kidnap-girl-on-he.html


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Shell on March 05, 2010, 12:20:16 AM
I hope some of those teenagers who went to hang out with Gardner will speak up and say if anything out of the ordinary happens in his apartment. I wonder what school those teenagers went to.

It is always odd to me when a man of 30 hangs out with teenagers. (Unless it is a church group etc.)


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Shell on March 05, 2010, 12:24:57 AM

*They said they noted that he changed apartments at the complex at some point in 2009.

I find that odd.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Shell on March 05, 2010, 12:28:38 AM
A black sedan frequently seen parked in front of John Albert Gardner III's mother's townhouse in Rancho Bernardo has since been towed away by police, according to the news station.

http://www.10news.com/news/22739243/detail.html

I wonder what all they will find in that car.

I think JAG has been very busy in his quest to abduct teenage girls.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: klaasend on March 05, 2010, 12:32:37 AM
::MonkeyEek::

Man tries to kidnap girl on her way home from school
By Brian Day on December 9, 2009 7:50 PM


HACIENDA HEIGHTS -- Sheriff's deputies searched Wednesday for a man who allegedly attempted to kidnap an 11-year-old girl in Hacienda Heights on her way home from school, authorities said.
A man tried to grab the girl walking near the intersection of Countrywood Avenue and Wedgeworth Drive about 2:45 p.m., said Sgt. Hugo Macias. He missed her and the girl ran away, he said.
The heavy-set man in his 30s, possibly 6 feet tall and with a shaved head, was driving a dark green pickup truck, according to the girl's description to authorities.
Authorities are investigating it as an attempted kidnapping, Macias said.
Anyone with information is asked to call the sheriff's Industry Station at (626) 330-3322.

http://www.insidesocal.com/sgvcrime/2009/12/man-tries-to-kidnap-girl-on-he.html

Hacienda Heights is about 1 1/2 hour drive from Escondido.  I'm not saying that there's no way it could be JAG but I wanted you to know it's not very close. 


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: labubske on March 05, 2010, 12:53:03 AM
I still want to know why the O'Reillys have mom's address on their website to mail pictures to for restoration and as their business address and why their name is on Grandma's house?  Who are they?

I'm new at this...so hopefully this is how I respond to a specific post!  The phone that is listed with the domain name of Baba Pictures is to Kevin OReilly...the phone number is the California number and the address with it is the Idaho address...so a reverse search of that number gives the Martinel address.  Then, Catherine Osborn's number is also going to that same address.  Catherine is listed a few different times as Catherine Gardner Poppe...showing that Poppe wouldn't be the maiden name (as someone had suggested earlier)...I wonder it's possible that Oreilly could be the maiden name?  Some women keep their married name even when they remarry because their child has it.  It doesn't really seem to fit...maybe she has been married a lot of times?  I know the one post that I found was pointing the finger at his mother...they seemed to know the family...I don't know just a suggestion.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: mizjay on March 05, 2010, 12:56:24 AM
With as many places as he lived and moved around in between, he could have had access to several cars. Mom's, grannies, the girl friend, O'reilly's, I hope they check out registered cars to descriptions that some of these abduction attempts have given.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: klaasend on March 05, 2010, 12:59:19 AM
I still want to know why the O'Reillys have mom's address on their website to mail pictures to for restoration and as their business address and why their name is on Grandma's house?  Who are they?

I'm new at this...so hopefully this is how I respond to a specific post!  The phone that is listed with the domain name of Baba Pictures is to Kevin OReilly...the phone number is the California number and the address with it is the Idaho address...so a reverse search of that number gives the Martinel address.  Then, Catherine Osborn's number is also going to that same address.  Catherine is listed a few different times as Catherine Gardner Poppe...showing that Poppe wouldn't be the maiden name (as someone had suggested earlier)...I wonder it's possible that Oreilly could be the maiden name?  Some women keep their married name even when they remarry because their child has it.  It doesn't really seem to fit...maybe she has been married a lot of times?  I know the one post that I found was pointing the finger at his mother...they seemed to know the family...I don't know just a suggestion.

I believe we have confirmed from birth records that her maiden name is Osborn.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Tracygirl on March 05, 2010, 01:09:37 AM
Have we been able to find any birth records for any of the O'Reillys? We do know for a fact they are different people from the Gardners/Osborns? Don't they seem like perfect people? All college educated, Doctors of psychology and aparently they are so stupid to be involved with a sociopath? I don't buy it, something is off in my opinion.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Shell on March 05, 2010, 01:14:13 AM

Another SO off the streets. At Dog Beach a RSO walked up to a 5(?) year old and was rubbing himself. Asked if she would like to see something. The girl ran to her Dad who was standing nearby and the man got his cell phone and videotaped the guy....even got his car (a white van) and liscese. The guy lives in Carlsbad-they arrested him.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: sebastian on March 05, 2010, 01:14:20 AM
This was snipped on from the above newspaper article

"Escondido police Lt. Craig Carter said Wednesday his agency contacted Gardner "no less than eight times" during the two years he lived in the city, including two months after Amber went missing."

I spoke to someone early on at the Escondido police department regarding Amber Dubois' case. I was told that they only check once a year. I wonder why they checked JAG 8 times in 2 years? That is really odd to me.






Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: mizjay on March 05, 2010, 01:14:41 AM
Have we been able to find any birth records for any of the O'Reillys? We do know for a fact they are different people from the Gardners/Osborns? Don't they seem like perfect people? All college educated, Doctors of psychology and aparently they are so stupid to be involved with a sociopath? I don't buy it, something is off in my opinion.
::MonkeyEek::  I hope you're not thinking what I think you're thinking!!!  Crazy!  However on one of the documents seems like she quit deeded a property to them??? Not sure about that, I'll scroll back up but I think she did. very interesting


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: mizjay on March 05, 2010, 01:17:09 AM
Have we been able to find any birth records for any of the O'Reillys? We do know for a fact they are different people from the Gardners/Osborns? Don't they seem like perfect people? All college educated, Doctors of psychology and aparently they are so stupid to be involved with a sociopath? I don't buy it, something is off in my opinion.
::MonkeyEek::  I hope you're not thinking what I think you're thinking!!!  Crazy!  However on one of the documents seems like she quit deeded a property to them??? Not sure about that, I'll scroll back up but I think she did. very interesting


And yes... very perfect , Stepford Wives Perfect


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Shell on March 05, 2010, 01:17:39 AM

Another SO off the streets. At Dog Beach a RSO walked up to a 5(?) year old and was rubbing himself. Asked if she would like to see something. The girl ran to her Dad who was standing nearby and the man got his cell phone and videotaped the guy....even got his car (a white van) and liscese. The guy lives in Carlsbad-they arrested him.

www.Fox5sandiego.com


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: klaasend on March 05, 2010, 01:19:59 AM
Have we been able to find any birth records for any of the O'Reillys? We do know for a fact they are different people from the Gardners/Osborns? Don't they seem like perfect people? All college educated, Doctors of psychology and aparently they are so stupid to be involved with a sociopath? I don't buy it, something is off in my opinion.

We know nothing about the O'Reillys.  I agree, something is way off.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Tracygirl on March 05, 2010, 01:22:47 AM

Another SO off the streets. At Dog Beach a RSO walked up to a 5(?) year old and was rubbing himself. Asked if she would like to see something. The girl ran to her Dad who was standing nearby and the man got his cell phone and videotaped the guy....even got his car (a white van) and liscese. The guy lives in Carlsbad-they arrested him.

Good glad he is off the street! Dirty SOB, now keep him in jail for life! No second chance to ever mentally or physically harm a child again! Never!


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: mizjay on March 05, 2010, 01:23:05 AM
TracyGirl ....... More on the odd circumstance,  as nice as that neighborhood is, it's not very exclusive or high end type. Why would 2 PHD's be living in a condo with JAG's mother? Seems like after glorious careers they would have retired or started their new business in a much better locale, hmmmm 


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Shell on March 05, 2010, 01:26:02 AM

Another SO off the streets. At Dog Beach a RSO walked up to a 5(?) year old and was rubbing himself. Asked if she would like to see something. The girl ran to her Dad who was standing nearby and the man got his cell phone and videotaped the guy....even got his car (a white van) and liscese. The guy lives in Carlsbad-they arrested him.

Good glad he is off the street! Dirty SOB, now keep him in jail for life! No second chance to ever mentally or physically harm a child again! Never!

You should see the guy...he is one of those guys who looks like a perv!


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Tracygirl on March 05, 2010, 01:29:48 AM
TracyGirl ....... More on the odd circumstance,  as nice as that neighborhood is, it's not very exclusive or high end type. Why would 2 PHD's be living in a condo with JAG's mother? Seems like after glorious careers they would have retired or started their new business in a much better locale, hmmmm 

First I thought maybe the Gardners were renting but seeing there is a recorded deed and a quit claim that doesn't fit. I am thinking they are one in the same. I could be way off and if I am I am sorry but come on..A doctor of psychology being associated with a sociopath? Is she his live in shrink? 


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Shell on March 05, 2010, 01:33:34 AM
TracyGirl ....... More on the odd circumstance,  as nice as that neighborhood is, it's not very exclusive or high end type. Why would 2 PHD's be living in a condo with JAG's mother? Seems like after glorious careers they would have retired or started their new business in a much better locale, hmmmm 

And per www.zillow.com it is only 1,240 square feet. That is small.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: labubske on March 05, 2010, 01:35:19 AM

I believe we have confirmed from birth records that her maiden name is Osborn.
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Oh, ok...sorry!  I must have missed those posts...I am still trying to figure out how the posts are arranged.  I know that I was going from the end at one point and now the new ones are at the beginning. I will get it figured out.  Okay, so there is a birth record of Osborn being the maiden name? Hmmm...well, that is quite odd.  Is there evidence that the O'reillys actually do live at the home? I know that there are reports that others do live in the home...but, I may have missed where it was posted that it was in fact the O'reillys.  I'm wondering if there is some sort of internet scheme going on.  Because when I did a reverse domain search for Baba Pictures there was an abundance of sites associated with that domain...so just to check that theory out, I did a domain search on the web address on my water bottle...it only had 2...when I did theirs it had over 2000. 


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Tracygirl on March 05, 2010, 01:37:09 AM
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Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Shell on March 05, 2010, 01:37:57 AM

Another SO off the streets. At Dog Beach a RSO walked up to a 5(?) year old and was rubbing himself. Asked if she would like to see something. The girl ran to her Dad who was standing nearby and the man got his cell phone and videotaped the guy....even got his car (a white van) and liscese. The guy lives in Carlsbad-they arrested him.

www.Fox5sandiego.com

http://www.fox5sandiego.com/news/kswb-sex-offender-lewd-act,0,1535076.story
Link to article and photo of the creep


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: labubske on March 05, 2010, 01:39:53 AM
TracyGirl ....... More on the odd circumstance,  as nice as that neighborhood is, it's not very exclusive or high end type. Why would 2 PHD's be living in a condo with JAG's mother? Seems like after glorious careers they would have retired or started their new business in a much better locale, hmmmm 

First I thought maybe the Gardners were renting but seeing there is a recorded deed and a quit claim that doesn't fit. I am thinking they are one in the same. I could be way off and if I am I am sorry but come on..A doctor of psychology being associated with a sociopath? Is she his live in shrink? 

I am thinking along the same lines.  Well, more of a scheme of some sort.  Also, I recall an earlier posting where Catherine Osborn was a grantee of a bonds place...I believe around the year 2002...I wonder if at some point she had gotten into trouble and sold the house yet gets to live in it?  What bails bond was it?  I don't recall?


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: mizjay on March 05, 2010, 01:41:38 AM
TracyGirl ....... More on the odd circumstance,  as nice as that neighborhood is, it's not very exclusive or high end type. Why would 2 PHD's be living in a condo with JAG's mother? Seems like after glorious careers they would have retired or started their new business in a much better locale, hmmmm 

And per www.zillow.com it is only 1,240 square feet. That is small.
Add to the mix JAG, that's a lot of ppl. in at most a 3 bedroom,small bedrooms with that square footage, something does seem weird


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Bearlyhere on March 05, 2010, 01:44:29 AM
We should be MAD. It's about time. Seems to me these pieces o' sh** are not afraid of prison. 

If castration doesn't work, then how about DEATH. I am not even close to kidding here. Life in prison, maybe, but would cost a lot of taxpayer $$$. I'm for the death penalty. Molest or rape a child -- you die.  ::MonkeyMad::

I'm sorry to vent, but I am so SICK of this. It seems to be happening more and more. What? Can a girl or woman no longer leave the house at all???

My daughter is planning for college ... bet Chelsea was too ... making plans, looking forward to a bright future.

Five minutes. Just let me in there with him for five little minutes. 



There is also no rhyme or reason in the lengths or kinds of sentences the judges impose and most of all there is no common sense.

My girlfriend's cousin was put in jail for many years for abusing his daughter.  When the daughter got a bit older she said her Dad had not done anything to her, her Mom told her to say he did.  She was very upset that she had done this, but she was forced to say it by her Mom.  Her Mom and Dad were going through a nasty divorce at the time.  The man maintained from day one he was innocent and he was.  Forget getting off that sex offender list once you are on it.  He spent many years in jail.  He does not blame his daughter at all, she just did what she was told, she was just a young girl.  He has forgiven her, she is having a hard time forgiving herself.

My other friend works for the family court system.  A perp on the next street from her molested and abused his 5 year old daughter.  He was given a very short sentence and then was allowed to go back home and live in the same house where his daughter lives, the one that he abused.  Her parents were trying to "work things out."  Wtf?  Why would you ever let this animal back in your house for one, and how in the world can a court system let him go back and live with that girl?  It is just sickening.



Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: mizjay on March 05, 2010, 01:45:08 AM

Another SO off the streets. At Dog Beach a RSO walked up to a 5(?) year old and was rubbing himself. Asked if she would like to see something. The girl ran to her Dad who was standing nearby and the man got his cell phone and videotaped the guy....even got his car (a white van) and liscese. The guy lives in Carlsbad-they arrested him.

www.Fox5sandiego.com

http://www.fox5sandiego.com/news/kswb-sex-offender-lewd-act,0,1535076.story
Link to article and photo of the creep
Gross!   At least he looks the part, just goes to show, with all the outrage and focus on molesters and perverts due to this case...there he is doing his nasty thing right out in the open. They cannot stop


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Tracygirl on March 05, 2010, 01:49:53 AM
https://secure.ibol.idaho.gov/IBOL/BoardPage.aspx?Bureau=PSY
Input the name O'Reilly. No Barbara or Brin or whatever the name was, just a Tara. Interesting

  Name   Number   Expires   Action   Owner Name   City, State, Zip   Phone  Supervisor?   Specialty   
  OREILLY, TARA A  PSY-278  7/17/2010    BOISE ID 83719  208 724-9661  No 


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Shell on March 05, 2010, 01:51:24 AM

I am sure that people in the County are on the internet seeing just who their neighbors are.

I looked up one of my daughters neighborhoods when she lived here and found that not too far from her A couple of miles as I recall) was an apartment complex with about a dozen RSO's living there..and, they tended to live in the same apartment with their SO buddy.



Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: mizjay on March 05, 2010, 01:55:56 AM
We should be MAD. It's about time. Seems to me these pieces o' sh** are not afraid of prison. 

If castration doesn't work, then how about DEATH. I am not even close to kidding here. Life in prison, maybe, but would cost a lot of taxpayer $$$. I'm for the death penalty. Molest or rape a child -- you die.  ::MonkeyMad::

I'm sorry to vent, but I am so SICK of this. It seems to be happening more and more. What? Can a girl or woman no longer leave the house at all???

My daughter is planning for college ... bet Chelsea was too ... making plans, looking forward to a bright future.

Five minutes. Just let me in there with him for five little minutes. 



There is also no rhyme or reason in the lengths or kinds of sentences the judges impose and most of all there is no common sense.

My girlfriend's cousin was put in jail for many years for abusing his daughter.  When the daughter got a bit older she said her Dad had not done anything to her, her Mom told her to say he did.  She was very upset that she had done this, but she was forced to say it by her Mom.  Her Mom and Dad were going through a nasty divorce at the time.  The man maintained from day one he was innocent and he was.  Forget getting off that sex offender list once you are on it.  He spent many years in jail.  He does not blame his daughter at all, she just did what she was told, she was just a young girl.  He has forgiven her, she is having a hard time forgiving herself.

My other friend works for the family court system.  A perp on the next street from her molested and abused his 5 year old daughter.  He was given a very short sentence and then was allowed to go back home and live in the same house where his daughter lives, the one that he abused.  Her parents were trying to "work things out."  Wtf?  Why would you ever let this animal back in your house for one, and how in the world can a court system let him go back and live with that girl?  It is just sickening.


How sad for the daughter, both of them.  I used to work with emotionally disturbed kids and had to report one of the mom's coaching her son to say that the Dad had been messing with him, I heard her telling him what to say and that he had to do it.....no wonder he was in that class.

Your friends neighbor's daughter gets to be victimized again and again just by having to be in the household until it either happens all over or she grows up. Thanks to the judge, outrageous, story after story, so sad and scary


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: mizjay on March 05, 2010, 02:16:29 AM

I am sure that people in the County are on the internet seeing just who their neighbors are.

I looked up one of my daughters neighborhoods when she lived here and found that not too far from her A couple of miles as I recall) was an apartment complex with about a dozen RSO's living there..and, they tended to live in the same apartment with their SO buddy.


Sheesh, seems like it would be a no-no to live with other felons, especially that type. Probably a whole lot of feeding the beast going on. Porn and justifying all their perverted ideas.... and probably sooner or later acting on them


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Tracygirl on March 05, 2010, 02:18:36 AM
This was snipped on from the above newspaper article

"Escondido police Lt. Craig Carter said Wednesday his agency contacted Gardner "no less than eight times" during the two years he lived in the city, including two months after Amber went missing."

I spoke to someone early on at the Escondido police department regarding Amber Dubois' case. I was told that they only check once a year. I wonder why they checked JAG 8 times in 2 years? That is really odd to me.






He lived at the apartment with a girlfriend and 2 kids and the Escondido PD went to check on him 8 times? Did they go in and see the children that lived there? Are RSO allowed to live with children?


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: mizjay on March 05, 2010, 02:21:05 AM

I believe we have confirmed from birth records that her maiden name is Osborn.

Oh, ok...sorry!  I must have missed those posts...I am still trying to figure out how the posts are arranged.  I know that I was going from the end at one point and now the new ones are at the beginning. I will get it figured out.  Okay, so there is a birth record of Osborn being the maiden name? Hmmm...well, that is quite odd.  Is there evidence that the O'reillys actually do live at the home? I know that there are reports that others do live in the home...but, I may have missed where it was posted that it was in fact the O'reillys.  I'm wondering if there is some sort of internet scheme going on.  Because when I did a reverse domain search for Baba Pictures there was an abundance of sites associated with that domain...so just to check that theory out, I did a domain search on the web address on my water bottle...it only had 2...when I did theirs it had over 2000. 
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Labubske~  that's really weird, I don't know how any of that works but it smells fishy.... and WELCOME to SM


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: sebastian on March 05, 2010, 02:28:50 AM
This was snipped on from the above newspaper article

"Escondido police Lt. Craig Carter said Wednesday his agency contacted Gardner "no less than eight times" during the two years he lived in the city, including two months after Amber went missing."

I spoke to someone early on at the Escondido police department regarding Amber Dubois' case. I was told that they only check once a year. I wonder why they checked JAG 8 times in 2 years? That is really odd to me.






He lived at the apartment with a girlfriend and 2 kids and the Escondido PD went to check on him 8 times? Did they go in and see the children that lived there? Are RSO allowed to live with children?

If they are his own kids, maybe he was allowed? Not sure. Didn't the apartment managers on Rock Springs have any kind of an obligation to check him out as a registered sex offender?  I also would like to know where he has lived from the time he left high school up in Lake Arrowhead to the time that he moved to Rock Springs. There are way too many gaps, and long ones at that!


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: sebastian on March 05, 2010, 02:47:21 AM
There are three other areas to check out for JAG. Lawndale, Palmdale and Hawthorne


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: IBE on March 05, 2010, 02:59:30 AM

I am sure that people in the County are on the internet seeing just who their neighbors are.

I looked up one of my daughters neighborhoods when she lived here and found that not too far from her A couple of miles as I recall) was an apartment complex with about a dozen RSO's living there..and, they tended to live in the same apartment with their SO buddy.


Sheesh, seems like it would be a no-no to live with other felons, especially that type. Probably a whole lot of feeding the beast going on. Porn and justifying all their perverted ideas.... and probably sooner or later acting on them



First I am not trying to stick up for felons.... especially perverts.. however the do tend to live in conclaves so to speak. Is this because they are potentially harassed if in a single family home or because likes like likes? I don't know the answer. I if you do a search for them, say in Los Angeles, you will see them living in certain sections, but sometimes it is around schools.

We need to redo the list... get the ones off there who have, say had sex as a teenager with another teenager, vs. the hard sex perverts such as the one in this case.

The death penalty is a consideration but in CA they live in jail a very long time before it happens, if at all before they die naturally.

Are taxpayers ready to put up all the money it takes to house them?? In CA prisoners are being let out early for the lack of room... of course here many are illegals.

I agree... the LE can database the gangs down to the tatoo on their arm, why can't they take the time they are required to do to follow up on un-RSO's? How about volunteers manning the computer input needed and lists of follow up... no them going out the the un-RSo but helping in the input info.

I am ready to act, but don't know where to go to start??? Did anyone get the contact on Jane VM show today of the follow up to a place for "Freedom without Fear? a place where the actions starts???


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: sebastian on March 05, 2010, 04:59:08 AM
OMG! You have got to listen to this radio interview on the John & Ken show. They have one of JAG's relatives on the show. The relative states that JAG drove a gold pontiac prior to crashing it a month ago. Says that he hopes that LE still has the partial plate number from the couple in Jesmond Dene park. This is really really horrible. It looks more and more like there will be other victims!


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: sebastian on March 05, 2010, 04:59:34 AM
Sorry, here is the link

http://www.kfi640.com/mediaplayer/?station=KFI-AM&action=ondemand&item=17950831&feed_name=JohnandKen.xml


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Shell on March 05, 2010, 05:08:19 AM


CARLSBAD: Sex offender laws exerted little control over defendant
By SARAH GORDON - sgordon@nctimes.com | Posted: March 4, 2010 10:24 pm

Registered sex offender John Albert Gardner III, the 30-year-old man accused of raping and murdering Poway High School senior Chelsea King, appears to have complied with Megan's Law, the only statute governing where he lived and traveled.

Yet, when 17-year-old Chelsea disappeared in Rancho Bernardo last week, authorities checked the database of sex offenders registered in the San Diego area. Gardner was not among them.

And when a 16-year-old girl was attacked last year in Riverside County, authorities did a similar check of the sex offender registry. Again, no Gardner.

Gardner completed all the terms of his sentence from a violent 2000 attack on a 13-year-old girl in Rancho Bernardo that led to his designation as a sex offender. Many now say the reduced sentence he received allowed the dangerous man to return to society too soon.

That Gardner was free and eluded detection when Chelsea was killed illustrates that changes are needed to Megan's Law and other sex-offender sentencing laws, some say.

In recent years, Gardner apparently spent time at his parents' town house in Rancho Bernardo, an Escondido apartment where he lived about two years, and a home outside Lake Elsinore.

Megan's Law, enacted in 1996 in California, requires most of the state's sex offenders to register their address every year, or within five days of moving. A public database of sex offenders is supposed to let the community and police track potentially dangerous neighbors.

There is no indication from authorities that Gardner violated the law.

Escondido police Lt. Craig Carter said Gardner was a registered sex offender in Escondido for most of January 2008 until January 2010. Carter would not confirm Gardner's address and added Gardner moved out of the city at least once in that time.

Neighbors said Gardner lived in two different units at a Rock Springs Road apartment complex during that time.

In January, Gardner moved, registering his address at a home outside Lake Elsinore, Riverside County sheriff's officials said. Deputies never visited the home, officials said.

Seven weeks later, Chelsea disappeared in the Rancho Bernardo area of San Diego, and Gardner's name didn't turn up on the list of neighborhood sex offenders because he had already registered his Lake Elsinore-area address.

Megan's Law places no restrictions on travel or overnight stays of sex offenders, and authorities say Gardner was not restricted from traveling to North County once he moved.

However, the law requires offenders to register multiple addresses where they "regularly stay." If Gardner was regularly staying with his parents in Rancho Bernardo, as neighbors have reported, he was required to register that address with San Diego police.

The address does not appear on the Megan's Law Web site, indicating Gardner never registered it. San Diego police would not have seen it if they searched for local registered sex offenders during their investigations of the two crimes prosecutors now say Gardner committed.

Prosecutors say that Dec. 27, Gardner attempted to rape a jogger on the trails of Lake Hodges, about a mile from the Rancho Bernardo town house.

He is charged with killing Chelsea during a rape or attempted rape on the same trails where she headed for a jog after school Feb. 25. Her body was discovered Tuesday in a shallow grave at the lake's edge.

Gardner has pleaded not guilty to charges in both cases.

Defense attorney and former San Diego County District Attorney Paul Pfingst said Gardner's case illustrates the flaws in the Megan's Law registry and monitoring program.

By requiring every sex offender to register for life, it creates a massive pool that makes it difficult for the police or the public to monitor those who are most dangerous.

The state has about 63,000 sex offenders listed in its Megan's Law registry, according to the state Department of Justice.

"It brings in dangerous characters with less dangerous characters," Pfingst said. "There's too much information, so it brings in useless information with useful information."

Police don't have the resources to track so many offenders, Pfingst said. If no one kept a close eye on Gardner, that's no surprise, he said.

Julie Stone, a Poway resident whose daughter is a senior at Poway High School, said the Megan's Law Web site doesn't help her protect her daughter.

"It shows there's a sex offender living on my street right now, but I don't know what he did," Stone said.

She said the registry shows the neighbor was convicted of lewd acts with a child under 14, but it is not clear how much of a threat he poses now.

Gardner's Megan's Law Web listing notes the same crime, but doesn't give any details.

Current law limits available information about registered sex offenders. It would take a legislative change to expand the amount of information available to the public.

Even local police have no easy access to detailed information about registered sex offenders living in their community, state Department of Justice officials say.

The Department of Justice compiles only a "rap sheet" for sex offenders that includes past arrests, charges and sentences. So police can't easily research what a particular offender has done and often must track down old probation and police reports to learn more, said California Deputy Attorney General Janet Neeley.

Police also have no access to the risk score the State Parole and County Probation departments assign to each newly released offender.

But beginning June 1, the Department of Justice will receive a "facts of the case" report for every sex offender released on parole or probation, along with the risk assessment score, Neeley said. Police will have access to that.

"We think that will be a huge step forward," she said.

Past offenses

It is not clear whether Escondido, Lake Elsinore or San Diego police knew the facts of Gardner's past offense.

Carter said every sex offender in the city is required to meet once with a detective to discuss past offenses and review the law.

He also said police visited Gardner at least eight times as part of its routine checks on the city's 192 registered sex offenders or as part of an investigation into missing Escondido 14-year-old Amber Dubois.

Police are investigating whether Gardner has any connection to Amber's Feb. 13, 2009, disappearance, about two miles from his apartment. But it is not clear whether he was a suspect before he was connected to Chelsea's killing.

Authorities also are investigating the case of a 16-year-old girl who reported that she ran away after a man asked her for directions, then tried to force her into a car at gunpoint Oct. 28 in Lake Elsinore, the Riverside County Sheriff's Department said. At the time, Gardner was registered in Escondido.

The suspect was described as a man 30 to 35 years old with a squarish jaw, brown eyes and a blond crew cut. A sketch appears similar to Gardner.

Investigators checked out local sex offenders at the time, but not Gardner, Sgt. Patrick Chavez said.

"He had not come onto our radar until January," when he notified authorities that he was living in an unincorporated village near Lake Elsinore, Chavez said.

The first conviction

In 2000, John Albert Gardner III repeatedly punched and sexually assaulted a 13-year-old girl in Rancho Bernardo, according to court records.

Gardner, then 20, picked up the victim before school as she waited for her bus, court records show. He invited her to his Rancho Bernardo town house to watch a movie, and then began a violent sexual assault, pulling off the girl's pants against her protests, battering her face in anger and nearly suffocating her with his hand over her mouth, records show.

Many are questioning Gardner's sentence for the crime: six years in prison, of which he served just over five. He could have gotten 30 years for the original charges, according to court documents. The sentencing memo notes an agreement allowing the lesser charges ---- and a shorter sentence ---- will "spare the victim the trauma of testifying."

That memo includes psychiatrist Dr. Matthew Carroll's opinion that Gardner be sentenced to the "maximum sentence allowed by law" because he would be a "continued danger to underage girls in the society."

"It's bad enough we have predators out there who have not been caught do these horrible things, but to have one who we had every chance to keep behind bars be sentenced so leniently, it's just infuriating," said Sen. Dennis Hollingsworth, whose 36th District includes Murrieta, Temecula, Bonsall, Fallbrook and Poway.

He and other local representatives say they have been flooded with calls and e-mails from people who are furious that Gardner went to jail for only five years, followed by three years of parole, and was free to strike again.

Such sentiments were clear Wednesday outside the San Diego Superior Courthouse during Gardner's arraignment, when protesters held signs calling for "one strike" and "no parole for sex offenders."

Jessica's Law

Since Gardner's conviction, 70 percent of voters in November 2006 approved Jessica's Law, which monitors sexual offenders by GPS for life and bars them from living within 2,000 feet of any school or park. So far, court rulings have said it applies only to those paroled from prison after its enactment so it did not apply to Gardner.

Had Gardner been released under Jessica's Law, he would have been subject to its restrictions.

But the reality is that Gardner probably would have been monitored by GPS only for the length of his parole, which ended in 2008. The 6,788 California sex offenders on active parole are the only offenders in the state monitored by GPS, according to a January report by the California Sex Offender Management Board, which advises the government and Legislature on sex offender policy.

And once sex offenders leave parole, virtually no local agency monitors them with GPS, the report notes.

Call staff writer Sarah Gordon at 760-740-3517.

The Associated Press contributed to this report.

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Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Shell on March 05, 2010, 05:24:25 AM
Sorry, here is the link

http://www.kfi640.com/mediaplayer/?station=KFI-AM&action=ondemand&item=17950831&feed_name=JohnandKen.xml

Thanks..I am listening


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Shell on March 05, 2010, 05:28:13 AM

So he wrecked the Pontiac a month or so ago..I hope they can find it


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Shell on March 05, 2010, 05:30:45 AM

So he was in construction...and did other jobs like dry walling, pouring slabs etc. Was an electrician journeyman.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Bearlyhere on March 05, 2010, 06:40:53 AM
Good Evening Monkeys and Guest!

Geesh....it looks like there were so many opportunities to lock this guy up for something . He should have still been in prison for the 2000 charges.

He should never have been left out.  Why do we view Psychiatry as junk science?  Why do insurance companies refuse to pay for it, or contribute such a minute amount to it?  It is the one medical profession that touches the most people at one time.  (e.g.  If someone gets treatment or the psychiatrist, in this case, was listened to, it has the potential to save the most amount of people.  If JAG was kept out of society, as was recommended by the court psych, look at the people who would have been safe).  Once we start making mental health a priority, we have the potential to affect and keep safe a lot of people.  If only they would have listened and not ever let him out again.

 ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad::






Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Bearlyhere on March 05, 2010, 06:57:16 AM
What Makes A Sex Offender Become A Killer?

SAN DIEGO -- It's hard to predict and even harder to ignore the moment a sex offender becomes a killer, but a local psychologist said there are some clear warning signs when pinpointing a violent sexual predator.

"It's about satisfaction at my cost," said clinical psychologist Michael Mantell, who has worked with many sex offenders.

Many wonder when that hunt for satisfaction turns into murder, and Mantell told 10News, "Many of them commit what we call 'lust murders.' The act of murder is a sexual experience."

Mantell said it is a final act in a pattern of behavior often littered with animal cruelty, rape fantasies and violence.

In the case of John Gardner, the man accused in the rape and slaying of 17-year-old Chelsea King, he was handed a six-year sentence for molesting and beating a 13-year-old girl in 2000. At the time, he was nearly 21 years old.

"My guess is this is not the first time he's acted out on his obsession for violence," said Mantell.

In addition to the King case, Gardner is now charged with another assault and attempted rape in December. He is also being looked at in other cases, including the case of missing Escondido teen Amber Dubois.

Mantell said sex offenders usually obsess over violent fantasies prior to killing.

"They move from someone obsessed with sexual satisfaction to domination, control and sadistic sexual fantasies," said Mantell.

It was a desire for domination on display in the form of Scott Erskine, who sexually assaulted and killed two boys in San Diego in 1993. Erskine had a history of violence dating back to his early teens, including an assault on a female jogger.

"It's like a hunger that needs to be filled and eventually, when he has the opportunity, that's when he fulfills his desire," said Mantell.

Mantell said it's hard to predict who will ultimately cross that line of violence turning deadly.

One example cited was in the case of Danielle van Dam, where the man convicted for her death, David Westerfield, did not have a criminal record.

http://www.10news.com/news/22747842/detail.html

There are medications to help with violence, why wasn't he on any?  Why aren't these offenders followed by someone who can tell when they are starting to lose control?  If they have to be out, they should be monitored forever, just like an alcoholic is addicted to alcohol, they are addicted to violence.  Just like an alcoholic can kill when he leaves the house and gets behind the wheel, the sex offender can kill when out of the house, too.  Why didn't anyone care enough to keep tabs on this guy?  Is that what his mom thought she was doing or was she enabling him?  Well, we know she was enabling him but was it a conscious or unconscious decision?  I have so many questions running through my head and they all start with Why!  Why?  Why?  Why?  And they all end with dammit!

 ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad::




Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Bearlyhere on March 05, 2010, 07:02:38 AM
http://www.sandiego6.com/news/local/story/Rancho-Santa-Fe-Child-Abduction-Attempts/QteQtNy6GUWiXBlQuhMIEA.cspx


Rancho Santa Fe Child Abduction Attempts


   Reported by: Antonio Castelan
Email: antonio.castelan@sandiego6.com
Last Update: 2/19 12:04 am
(http://www.sandiego6.com/media/lib/38/8/0/0/800a1164-eab3-4780-852e-dd9554c3b6e0/Original.jpg)

RANCHO SANTA FE - On Thursday, investigators released a sketch of a man suspected of trying to lure children into his truck in the Rancho Santa Fe area. Sheriff deputies say already three separate times this week the suspect tried to pick up either a girl or boy.

The attempted child kidnappings happened near the 6200 block of Paseo Delicias in Rancho Santa Fe.

Stacey Feinberg talks about the alert she received from her daughter's school. Her daughter, Bailey, is a second grader at Rancho Santa Fe elementary. Teachers put out a warning of a man trying to lure kids into his truck.

Feinberg said,  "I was shocked, because we moved to this beautiful little hamlet because we didn't think things like this happened."

Officers say a man driving a white truck tried to pick up some girls ranging from the ages of 8 to 10 years old from their driveways.  In another attempt the man reportedly drove his truck right up next to a girl while she was in a crosswalk. Now Feinberg has made the message clear to her child: stay away from strangers.

Feinberg said,  "No matter what anybody says to you, wave, smiles, 'come on over -- I have candy -- help me find my puppy' --  if it's a stranger, you don't go near them."

Witnesses describe the suspect as a Latino man in his thirties to fifties.  He has a thin mustache with large glasses. The suspect drives a white truck with ladders on the sides.

One thing I hope does not happen and that is that they pin the crimes of another on JAG, if we have another/other SO/s out there, let's get him/them, too.  Keep these SOBs off the street and away from our children NOW!

 ::MonkeyMad::



Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: trimmonthelake on March 05, 2010, 07:06:11 AM
http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/03/04/chelsea.king.parents/
Parents of slain teen Chelsea King: 'Change has to be made'
March 4, 2010 10:59 p.m. EST
(http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2010/CRIME/03/04/chelsea.king.parents/story.king.family.cnn.jpg)
The parents of Chelsea King told CNN's Larry King that their daughter was a great student and avid runner.
Los Angeles, California (CNN) -- The parents of a California girl who was allegedly raped and killed by a registered sex offender are calling for tougher standards against repeat offenders.

"How many times do our daughters need to be raped before we put these monsters behind bars forever?" said Kelly King, mother of 17-year-old Chelsea King, in an interview Thursday with CNN's "Larry King Live."

"I just don't -- I don't get it. Change has to be made," she continued, "and I know that there are people out there that are trying to, you know, get this change in place."

She said she and her husband, Brent King, "are committed for the rest of our lives to be a part of that."

On Wednesday, John Albert Gardner III, 30, a registered sex offender, was charged in the rape and murder of Chelsea, who lived in the San Diego area. Gardner, who is being represented by a public defender, was also charged Wednesday with assault with intent to commit rape in an attack on a jogger in December 2009
He pleaded not guilty to all charges. Gardner, of Lake Elsinore, California, will not be allowed to post bail.

If convicted, the charges against Gardner make him eligible for the death penalty, the San Diego County district attorney's office said Wednesday. The prosecutor's office said it has not determined whether it will seek capital punishment.

For the Kings, there's no question.

"I think the death penalty is a very appropriate punishment for this case," Kelly King.

Brent King said he had "100 percent agreement" with his wife.

Searchers found a body on Tuesday they believe to be that of Chelsea King. Police arrested Gardner on Sunday.

King had been missing since February 25. Investigators said she was last seen at her school in Poway, about 15 miles north of San Diego. Her car, with her cell phone inside, was found at Rancho Bernardo Community Park.

Searchers found remains in a shallow grave at that park; they were found along the shoreline of a tributary south of a lake, authorities said. The body was found in a heavily wooded area not visible from nearby homes. A shoe had been found earlier in the same area, the sheriff said.
King's parents, noting she was a great student and avid runner, said she had gone for a run at the park before she disappeared.

"It's a lovely area, very peaceful, very picturesque -- exactly what Chelsea ... loved to be in," Kelly King said.

She said the couple's son, 13-year-old Tyler, was extremely close to his sister. "He's struggling through it just like us," Brent King added.

Gardner's next court appearance, a status hearing, is scheduled for Tuesday. His preliminary hearing is scheduled for March 18


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: trimmonthelake on March 05, 2010, 07:07:14 AM
Good Morning Bearly!    ::HelloKitty::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Bearlyhere on March 05, 2010, 07:48:26 AM

Another SO off the streets. At Dog Beach a RSO walked up to a 5(?) year old and was rubbing himself. Asked if she would like to see something. The girl ran to her Dad who was standing nearby and the man got his cell phone and videotaped the guy....even got his car (a white van) and liscese. The guy lives in Carlsbad-they arrested him.

Good glad he is off the street! Dirty SOB, now keep him in jail for life! No second chance to ever mentally or physically harm a child again! Never!

That was the third time this child witnesses something like that.

 ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyMad::



Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Bearlyhere on March 05, 2010, 08:12:45 AM
OMG! You have got to listen to this radio interview on the John & Ken show. They have one of JAG's relatives on the show. The relative states that JAG drove a gold pontiac prior to crashing it a month ago. Says that he hopes that LE still has the partial plate number from the couple in Jesmond Dene park. This is really really horrible. It looks more and more like there will be other victims!

He was laying concrete?

 ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyShocked::




Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Shell on March 05, 2010, 09:12:37 AM
OMG! You have got to listen to this radio interview on the John & Ken show. They have one of JAG's relatives on the show. The relative states that JAG drove a gold pontiac prior to crashing it a month ago. Says that he hopes that LE still has the partial plate number from the couple in Jesmond Dene park. This is really really horrible. It looks more and more like there will be other victims!

He was laying concrete?

 ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyShocked::




That was one of the things the relative (a male) said he did. Sounds like he was doing any construction jobs he could.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: cookie on March 05, 2010, 09:27:23 AM
snip from Tracygirl's earlier post:

This is his mother...Does he have connections in all of these cities? Then idaho as well? What about the placed in between Idaho and So California? Does anyone feel maybe he was in another state or at least out of the So Cal area during the spring and summer months? It sure seems as though most of the crimes so far have been in the fall winter months. Are there any states or areas that have seen an increase in missing persons int he spring/summer? Just something to consider.
I agree completely with Sunny, we are going to find out he is a seriel killer...A seriel killer who was let out of prison, not good. I actually fear how many young girls (and boys???) are not alive because of him.

tracygirl...I agree...what about Brittanee Drexel who disappeared while on Spring break?
I skipped ahead a few pages on this thread so that I could comment on this post...sorry if someone else had already mentioned this...but Brittanee looks to be the type that he would prey on...cute, small girl...
now to catch up here...


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Bearlyhere on March 05, 2010, 09:38:28 AM
Good Morning Bearly!    ::HelloKitty::

   ::CowboySmiley::




Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 05, 2010, 09:43:36 AM
I could be wrong but when he lived in the apt with his girlfriend and twins, there was always loud fights going on, according to neighbors. The police were probably called numerous times because of the fighting.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 05, 2010, 09:44:54 AM
OMG! You have got to listen to this radio interview on the John & Ken show. They have one of JAG's relatives on the show. The relative states that JAG drove a gold pontiac prior to crashing it a month ago. Says that he hopes that LE still has the partial plate number from the couple in Jesmond Dene park. This is really really horrible. It looks more and more like there will be other victims!
Just like what the middle aged man in the park reported, and the girl in Lake Elsinore reported about the car  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: klaasend on March 05, 2010, 10:02:14 AM
Sorry, here is the link

http://www.kfi640.com/mediaplayer/?station=KFI-AM&action=ondemand&item=17950831&feed_name=JohnandKen.xml

Thanks for the link, I took some notes from the John & Ken show when they interviewed an interview one of John's male relatives:

  • Relative said as far as what JAG was like, you see what you want to see
  • Of the conviction in 2000.  Said JAG's story was that the girl came on to him.  That she skipped school and came to his place.  That she was the aggressor and that he didn't actually rape her which is true, he fondled her and beat her.  Said that nobody in the family with the exception maybe of the mom, was aware of the psychiatric evaluation.
  • Asked looking back if there were clues - he said, yes plenty.  As a very young kid (7-8) he was prone to violence.  He recalled a time where at age 7-8 he got into a violent fight with another kidm while this relative was babysitting.  That JAG has always been immature and impulsive.  This relative believes there may be other victims.  That every dot needs to be connected.
  • Up until about a month ago JAG drove a gold pontiac.  It crashed a month ago and is likely in an impound yard
  • JAG's current girlfriend has a back honda that is missing a rear bumper that he had access to
  • When he got out of prison in 2005 he was on probation until September 2008.  From when he got out until Sept 2008 he had an ankle GPS monitor
  • Jobs - he is a journeyman electrician but he does all kinds of construction work and up until recently had work but lost his job recently.  He did all kinds of construction including laying concrete etc
  • Relative believes that the mom has been in DENIAL about JAG
  • As far as relative knows, no big trauma in childhood.  BIO dad died last year but hadn't really been in his life.  Only real father figure was stepdad in Lake Arrowhead/Running Springs.  That stepdad is probably the reason JAG made it through HS.
  • Asked if he believes JAG could be involved with Amber Dubois.  He says he is a man of science and hopefully DNA will tell the story.  He said everything needs to be looked into.
  • On 2/17/2010 this relative went to the Grandma's house in Lake Elsinore to tell JAG to leave.  They needed to get Grandma to the hospital.  On 2/19/2010 they took Grandma to hospital in Palomar and on 2/20/2010 JAG left Elsinore and and came down to Escondido area to his mom's townhouse
  • Relative was asked to get JAG out of Elsinore home but didn't explain why except to say JAG wasn't suppose to be there
  • On Sunday 2/28 the FBI was at the house in Elsinore and questioned this relative.  The FBI has asked this relative not to relay information he gave to FBI so this relative has to be careful about what he says.
  • Told FBI about timelines and what vehicles that JAG had access to.
  • Relative believes that JAG's actions have something to do with his relationship to his mom


That's all I got  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 05, 2010, 10:12:10 AM
Thanks a lot for that Klaas.  Relative believes that JAG's actions have something to do with his relationship to his mom.  ::MonkeyEek::  Always seems to be the mother's fault  ::MonkeyNoNo:: 


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 05, 2010, 10:14:06 AM
What an amazing couple!!  My heart breaks for them.

Thank you all for all for the updates, insights and research that has been contributed to this thread.

Janet

+++++++


CNN LARRY KING LIVE
Interview with Chelsea King's Parents
Aired March 4, 2010 - 21:00   ET


KELLY KING, CHELSEA KING'S MOTHER: I mean how many times do our daughters need to be raped before we put these monsters behind bars forever?

I just don't -- I don't get it. Change has to be made. And I know that there are people out there that are -- that are trying to, you know, get this change in place. And Brent and I are committed for the rest of our lives to be a part of that.

LARRY KING, HOST: What change do you want, Brent?

BRENT KING, CHELSEA KING'S FATHER: I don't want people that ever have any kind of one strike on them to have more than one strike on them. They shouldn't be allowed to have a second strike. L. KING: In other words, once you are convicted of a case where you were convicted of being a predator, you should be put away for life?

L. KING:  What are your thoughts?

B. KING: Larry, I don't understand why somebody who's done what this person's done in the past should have the exact same freedoms that I have. I don't understand that.

More:
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1003/04/lkl.01.html



Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 05, 2010, 10:14:21 AM
http://www.sandiego6.com/news/local/story/Mailman-Concerns-A-Rancho-Bernardo-Community/ABMWnQ3eokuOmfMUGmMVTQ.cspx      Another disturbing story.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: SunnyinTX on March 05, 2010, 10:27:01 AM
Sorry, here is the link

http://www.kfi640.com/mediaplayer/?station=KFI-AM&action=ondemand&item=17950831&feed_name=JohnandKen.xml

Thanks for the link, I took some notes from the John & Ken show when they interviewed an interview with one of John's male relatives:

  • Relative said as far as what JAG was like, you see what you want to see
  • Of the conviction in 2000.  Said JAG's story was that the girl came on to him.  That she skipped school and came to his place.  That she was the aggressor and that he didn't actually rape her which is true, he fondled her and beat her.  Said that nobody in the family with the exception maybe of the mom, was aware of the psychiatric evaluation.
  • Asked looking back if there were clues - he said, yes plenty.  As a very young kid (7-8) he was prone to violence.  He recalled a time where at age 7-8 he got into a violent fight with another kidm while this relative was babysitting.  That JAG has always been immature and impulsive.  This relative believes there may be other victims.  That every dot needs to be connected.
  • Up until about a month ago JAG drove a gold pontiac.  It crashed a month ago and is likely in an impound yard
  • JAG's current girlfriend has a back honda that is missing a rear bumper that he had access to
  • When he got out of prison in 2005 he was on probation until September 2008.  From when he got out until Sept 2008 he had an ankle GPS monitor
  • Jobs - he is a journeyman electrician but he does all kinds of construction work and up until recently had work but lost his job recently.  He did all kinds of construction including laying concrete etc
  • Relative believes that the mom has been in DENIAL about JAG
  • As far as relative knows, no big trauma in childhood.  BIO dad died last year but hadn't really been in his life.  Only real father figure was stepdad in Lake Arrowhead/Running Springs.  That stepdad is probably the reason JAG made it through HS.
  • Asked if he believes JAG could be involved with Amber Dubois.  He says he is a man of science and hopefully DNA will tell the story.  He said everything needs to be looked into.
  • On 2/17/2010 this relative went to the Grandma's house in Lake Elsinore to tell JAG to leave.  They needed to get Grandma to the hospital.  On 2/19/2010 they took Grandma to hospital in Palomar and on 2/20/2010 JAG left Elsinore and and came down to Escondido area to his mom's townhouse
  • Relative was asked to get JAG out of Elsinore home but didn't explain why except to say JAG wasn't suppose to be there
  • On Sunday 2/28 the FBI was at the house in Elsinore and questioned this relative.  The FBI has asked this relative not to relay information he gave to FBI so this relative has to be careful about what he says.
  • Told FBI about timelines and what vehicles that JAG had access to.
  • Relative believes that JAG's actions have something to do with his relationship to his mom


That's all I got  ::MonkeyCool::

Good Morning Monks.  that all??????   ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyDevil::   A lot of information there.....and it all spells one word..........M O N S T E R


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: SunnyinTX on March 05, 2010, 10:28:52 AM
Thanks a lot for that Klaas.  Relative believes that JAG's actions have something to do with his relationship to his mom.  ::MonkeyEek::  Always seems to be the mother's fault  ::MonkeyNoNo:: 

Morning nrcg..............I thought the same thing....why are some not willing to admit that sometimes people are just born BAD.......whether it's bad wiring in the brain or the DEVIL..............they are born BAD


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: SunnyinTX on March 05, 2010, 10:30:44 AM
Sorry, here is the link

http://www.kfi640.com/mediaplayer/?station=KFI-AM&action=ondemand&item=17950831&feed_name=JohnandKen.xml

Thanks for the link, I took some notes from the John & Ken show when they interviewed an interview with one of John's male relatives:

  • Relative said as far as what JAG was like, you see what you want to see
  • Of the conviction in 2000.  Said JAG's story was that the girl came on to him.  That she skipped school and came to his place.  That she was the aggressor and that he didn't actually rape her which is true, he fondled her and beat her.  Said that nobody in the family with the exception maybe of the mom, was aware of the psychiatric evaluation.
  • Asked looking back if there were clues - he said, yes plenty.  As a very young kid (7-8) he was prone to violence.  He recalled a time where at age 7-8 he got into a violent fight with another kidm while this relative was babysitting.  That JAG has always been immature and impulsive.  This relative believes there may be other victims.  That every dot needs to be connected.
  • Up until about a month ago JAG drove a gold pontiac.  It crashed a month ago and is likely in an impound yard
  • JAG's current girlfriend has a back honda that is missing a rear bumper that he had access to
  • When he got out of prison in 2005 he was on probation until September 2008.  From when he got out until Sept 2008 he had an ankle GPS monitor
  • Jobs - he is a journeyman electrician but he does all kinds of construction work and up until recently had work but lost his job recently.  He did all kinds of construction including laying concrete etc
  • Relative believes that the mom has been in DENIAL about JAG
  • As far as relative knows, no big trauma in childhood.  BIO dad died last year but hadn't really been in his life.  Only real father figure was stepdad in Lake Arrowhead/Running Springs.  That stepdad is probably the reason JAG made it through HS.
  • Asked if he believes JAG could be involved with Amber Dubois.  He says he is a man of science and hopefully DNA will tell the story.  He said everything needs to be looked into.
  • On 2/17/2010 this relative went to the Grandma's house in Lake Elsinore to tell JAG to leave.  They needed to get Grandma to the hospital.  On 2/19/2010 they took Grandma to hospital in Palomar and on 2/20/2010 JAG left Elsinore and and came down to Escondido area to his mom's townhouse
  • Relative was asked to get JAG out of Elsinore home but didn't explain why except to say JAG wasn't suppose to be there
  • On Sunday 2/28 the FBI was at the house in Elsinore and questioned this relative.  The FBI has asked this relative not to relay information he gave to FBI so this relative has to be careful about what he says.
  • Told FBI about timelines and what vehicles that JAG had access to.
  • Relative believes that JAG's actions have something to do with his relationship to his mom


That's all I got  ::MonkeyCool::

oooppssss I forgot.....the GPS should be FOREVER on  SO's....FOREVER if they are gonna put them out on the street at least know where in the hell they are


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: SunnyinTX on March 05, 2010, 10:32:39 AM
What an amazing couple!!  My heart breaks for them.

Thank you all for all for the updates, insights and research that has been contributed to this thread.

Janet

+++++++


CNN LARRY KING LIVE
Interview with Chelsea King's Parents
Aired March 4, 2010 - 21:00   ET


KELLY KING, CHELSEA KING'S MOTHER: I mean how many times do our daughters need to be raped before we put these monsters behind bars forever?

I just don't -- I don't get it. Change has to be made. And I know that there are people out there that are -- that are trying to, you know, get this change in place. And Brent and I are committed for the rest of our lives to be a part of that.

LARRY KING, HOST: What change do you want, Brent?

BRENT KING, CHELSEA KING'S FATHER: I don't want people that ever have any kind of one strike on them to have more than one strike on them. They shouldn't be allowed to have a second strike. L. KING: In other words, once you are convicted of a case where you were convicted of being a predator, you should be put away for life?

L. KING:  What are your thoughts?

B. KING: Larry, I don't understand why somebody who's done what this person's done in the past should have the exact same freedoms that I have. I don't understand that.

More:
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1003/04/lkl.01.html



Hi Tams...thanks for the transcript.  And you are right...this is an amazing family.....and I think in life Chelsea would have done amazing deeds.....hopefully her death will bring about change and protection and justice


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 05, 2010, 10:33:43 AM
Thanks a lot for that Klaas.  Relative believes that JAG's actions have something to do with his relationship to his mom.  ::MonkeyEek::  Always seems to be the mother's fault  ::MonkeyNoNo:: 

Morning nrcg..............I thought the same thing....why are some not willing to admit that sometimes people are just born BAD.......whether it's bad wiring in the brain or the DEVIL..............they are born BAD
Exactly, and then it always seems that psychiatrists always like to blame the mother for things, that go bad with a child.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: SunnyinTX on March 05, 2010, 10:36:23 AM
http://www.sandiego6.com/news/local/story/Mailman-Concerns-A-Rancho-Bernardo-Community/ABMWnQ3eokuOmfMUGmMVTQ.cspx      Another disturbing story.

that is CRAZY..... ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 05, 2010, 10:41:26 AM
http://www.sandiego6.com/news/local/story/Mailman-Concerns-A-Rancho-Bernardo-Community/ABMWnQ3eokuOmfMUGmMVTQ.cspx      Another disturbing story.

that is CRAZY..... ::MonkeyNoNo::
That is really disturbing, now you have to wonder about the mailman, I have to say I never have in the past. Sometimes we have a woman and then sometimes the usual guy driving around in the mail truck.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: klaasend on March 05, 2010, 11:00:32 AM
http://www.nctimes.com/news/local/sdcounty/article_1423d1ef-f88b-5a5a-9e44-e21f6e7cd71d.html

(snipped)

Megan's Law and Gardner

In recent years, Gardner apparently spent time at his parents' town house in Rancho Bernardo, an Escondido apartment where he lived about two years, and a home outside Lake Elsinore.

Megan's Law, enacted in 1996 in California, requires most of the state's sex offenders to register their address every year, or within five days of moving. A public database of sex offenders is supposed to let the community and police track potentially dangerous neighbors.

There is no indication from authorities that Gardner violated the law.

Escondido police Lt. Craig Carter said Gardner was a registered sex offender in Escondido for most of January 2008 until January 2010. Carter would not confirm Gardner's address and added Gardner moved out of the city at least once in that time.

Neighbors said Gardner lived in two different units at a Rock Springs Road apartment complex during that time.

In January, Gardner moved, registering his address at a home outside Lake Elsinore, Riverside County sheriff's officials said. Deputies never visited the home, officials said.

Seven weeks later, Chelsea disappeared in the Rancho Bernardo area of San Diego, and Gardner's name didn't turn up on the list of neighborhood sex offenders because he had already registered his Lake Elsinore-area address.

Megan's Law places no restrictions on travel or overnight stays of sex offenders, and authorities say Gardner was not restricted from traveling to North County once he moved.

However, the law requires offenders to register multiple addresses where they "regularly stay." If Gardner was regularly staying with his parents in Rancho Bernardo, as neighbors have reported, he was required to register that address with San Diego police.

The address does not appear on the Megan's Law Web site, indicating Gardner never registered it. San Diego police would not have seen it if they searched for local registered sex offenders during their investigations of the two crimes prosecutors now say Gardner committed.

Prosecutors say that Dec. 27, Gardner attempted to rape a jogger on the trails of Lake Hodges, about a mile from the Rancho Bernardo town house.

He is charged with killing Chelsea during a rape or attempted rape on the same trails where she headed for a jog after school Feb. 25. Her body was discovered Tuesday in a shallow grave at the lake's edge.

Gardner has pleaded not guilty to charges in both cases.
(snipped)


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: SunnyinTX on March 05, 2010, 11:00:44 AM
http://www.sandiego6.com/news/local/story/Mailman-Concerns-A-Rancho-Bernardo-Community/ABMWnQ3eokuOmfMUGmMVTQ.cspx      Another disturbing story.

that is CRAZY..... ::MonkeyNoNo::
That is really disturbing, now you have to wonder about the mailman, I have to say I never have in the past. Sometimes we have a woman and then sometimes the usual guy driving around in the mail truck.

Me neither.....thankfully I do KNOW our postman.....living in a small town does have it's advantages

I have been thinking and wanting to DO SOMETHING. I put out SO information at our local parks and at the State Park....yesterday I took my dog for a walk at the state park with a friend (and pepper spray and a personal alarm)... have to admit this is the first time I have been apprehensive about walking the trails. And I am no ta young girl.....I am an old woman. Anyway, the bulletin board where  pit the info on the local SO's had 2 small BLUE ribbons ......I honestly believe those were for Chelsea. So here in rural MO, Chelsea is remembered.

I just emailed the White House and put the link to this story and said CHELSEA DID NOT HAVE TO DIE....I don't know if it will get anyone's attention...but perhaps if a LOT of people did the same thing.....and stated CHELSEA DID NOT HAVE TO DIE, it might get someone's attention.  So anyone interested, here's the address

http://www.whitehouse.gov/contact

when you send the email you will get a thank you page....perhaps it's a start....if we can get hundreds and thousands of people to email someone in Washington might take notice. m I am posting this info on my facebook and encouraging my friends to email and post the information on their facebook.....



http://www.whitehouse.gov/thank-you


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: joesamas mama on March 05, 2010, 11:01:44 AM
I have a question. If they are not going to release the ID until JAG's preliminary hearing, does that mean poor Chelsea will not get a funeral until after the POS's hearing? TIA JSM


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Lovinlife on March 05, 2010, 11:04:02 AM
I have a question. If they are not going to release the ID until JAG's preliminary hearing, does that mean poor Chelsea will not get a funeral until after the POS's hearing? TIA JSM
I believe her parents said last night on LKL that they will have a memorial service for Chelsea on March 13th.  However as far as a funeral w/burial, I'm not sure.

 ::HelloKitty:: HI JSM!


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: joesamas mama on March 05, 2010, 11:05:17 AM
I have a question. If they are not going to release the ID until JAG's preliminary hearing, does that mean poor Chelsea will not get a funeral until after the POS's hearing? TIA JSM
I believe her parents said last night on LKL that they will have a memorial service for Chelsea on March 13th.  However as far as a funeral w/burial, I'm not sure.

 ::HelloKitty:: HI JSM!
  ::HelloKitty:: Hi Lovin, thanks for the info on the memorial.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 05, 2010, 11:05:41 AM
Thank-you Sunny, I signed a petition yesterday, and now I will email to the link you provided. One never knows maybe this case will be the case that things will change dramatically. Chelsea's case is really being talked about here where I live, we live one county over, people are angry, and we all should be angry.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 05, 2010, 11:06:32 AM
I have a question. If they are not going to release the ID until JAG's preliminary hearing, does that mean poor Chelsea will not get a funeral until after the POS's hearing? TIA JSM
I believe her parents said last night on LKL that they will have a memorial service for Chelsea on March 13th.  However as far as a funeral w/burial, I'm not sure.

 ::HelloKitty:: HI JSM!
Thank-you, it was very hard to watch her parents on LKL last night  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: ScareyCarrie on March 05, 2010, 11:15:38 AM

*They said they noted that he changed apartments at the complex at some point in 2009.

I find that odd.


the only thing i could see logical with this senario is that a larger or smaller apt became vacant and him, gf, twins, needed bigger or smaller, due to $$, or need more space...

my cousin did this after booting a roomate who never paid rent, he then just moved to a one bedroom apt...

just a thought


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: SunnyinTX on March 05, 2010, 11:25:42 AM
Thank-you Sunny, I signed a petition yesterday, and now I will email to the link you provided. One never knows maybe this case will be the case that things will change dramatically. Chelsea's case is really being talked about here where I live, we live one county over, people are angry, and we all should be angry.


I have been told over the years that internet petitions are useless....I don't know...I imagine some are....but I signed the one yesterday as well, just in case.

People should be angry....we should all be angry....I do think we need to direct that anger in a positive manner, so I will sign anything and email anyplace.......and pray that someone listens
 


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Babybear on March 05, 2010, 11:32:08 AM
When the Kings were on LKL last night, although I only caught the end of their segment, I couldn't help comparing their demeanor with that of George and Cindy Anthony.  Even before Chelsea was sadly found, the Kings thanked those searching for her and were most appreciative of everything anyone did on behalf of their missing daughter.  Cindy Anthony, on the other hand, yelled that people should "Get up off your a** and find my granddaughter."  This was before Caylee's remains were found.  There were many people searching for Caylee at that time,  even Tim Miller and his people, but Cindy did everything in her power to thwart any effort at finding Caylee.  To this day she continues to try to shield the murderer of her granddaughter.

IMO the Kings have acted with great courage and dignity during this whole ordeal.  I hope George and Cindy Anthony have seen them and that they recognize the difference between ignorance and grace.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: cookie on March 05, 2010, 11:37:06 AM
When the Kings were on LKL last night, although I only caught the end of their segment, I couldn't help comparing their demeanor with that of George and Cindy Anthony.  Even before Chelsea was sadly found, the Kings thanked those searching for her and were most appreciative of everything anyone did on behalf of their missing daughter.  Cindy Anthony, on the other hand, yelled that people should "Get up off your a** and find my granddaughter."  This was before Caylee's remains were found.  There were many people searching for Caylee at that time,  even Tim Miller and his people, but Cindy did everything in her power to thwart any effort at finding Caylee.  To this day she continues to try to shield the murderer of her granddaughter.

IMO the Kings have acted with great courage and dignity during this whole ordeal.  I hope George and Cindy Anthony have seen them and that they recognize the difference between ignorance and grace.

I agree Babybear...this couple has so much grace ...a real tribute to the love that they had for their daughter...


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Northern Rose on March 05, 2010, 11:49:54 AM
Neighbors Recall Gardner's Childhood As Uneventful

Former neighbors of the man accused of killing 17-year-old Chelsea King told 10News that John Gardner didn’t leave much of an impression on their community while growing up.

On Thursday 10News traveled to Running Springs and Lake Arrowhead to see the area where he was raised.

Jo Braasch told 10News she knew Gardner and his family very well, but says she was caught completely off guard when she learned Gardner was charged with the murder and rape of King.

He never caused problems with the neighborhood, Braasch said.

“I’m one that watches out for things, so,” said Braasch, who for the past 15 years has lived right next to the red, cabin-style house in Running Springs where Gardner grew up.

According to an article in the "Mountain News," members of the 1997 graduating class recall Gardner, but say he didn't make a particular impression on them.

They also described him as "dorky and unpopular," and said he "kept to himself."

School officials at Rim of the World High School declined to comment on Gardner.

They told 10News "the issue is way too sensitive,” and said they wanted to keep their privacy.

http://www.10news.com/news/22749204/detail.html#


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Northern Rose on March 05, 2010, 11:50:35 AM
(http://www.10news.com/2010/0305/22749621_240X180.jpg)

http://www.10news.com/news/22749204/detail.html#


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Northern Rose on March 05, 2010, 11:52:51 AM
Former Rim student charged in murder of missing teen


She was a vibrant 17-year old senior at Poway High School in suburban San Diego County, a straight-A student, peer counselor, an athlete and volunteer for school activities. Chelsea King was all that and more – then she was reported missing on Feb. 25 after her 1994 BMW was discovered at Rancho Bernardo Bernardo Community Park, where she often went jogging after school.
   Searchers discovered King’s body Tuesday afternoon, buried in a shallow grave on the southern edge of Lake Hodges. Many have asked, who could do such a horrible thing? John Albert Gardner III, a former Running Springs resident and registered sex offender, who had attended Rim of the World High School in the late 1990s, was arrested last Sunday after his DNA was discovered on an article of clothing (reportedly panties) belonging to the missing teen.   

 
   “He was a crazy (expletive deleted),”a former Rim of the World High School classmate recalled on Wednesday. The former Rim student, who did not wish to be identified, told The Alpenhorn News on Tuesday that he remembers Gardner from his biology class. He said other students in the class would torment Gardner because he acted strangely at times (Gardner was reportedly enrolled in the school’s Severely Emotionally Disturbed [SED] program)     “I remember one time when another student flicked his (Gardner’s) ears as he was passing behind him. He stood up and went like this (groaning sound) and swung his fist through the air, missing his tormenter,” said the unidentified classmate.  

  On Tuesday evening, several thousand mourners held a candlelight vigil for Chelsea outside St. Michael’s Catholic Church in Poway, where the family had worshiped together. “One of the nicknames that I’ve always called my daughter is my Angel. She’s my angel forever,” Chelsea’s father, Brent King, told those assembled on the lawn in front of the church.
   Gardner, who most recently lived with his parents in a Lake Elsinore townhome, had served five years of a six-year prison term after pleading guilty in 2000 to molesting a 13-year-old female neighbor in 1998. Dr. Matthew Carroll, a psychiatrist who had interviewed Gardner, had asked for a stiffer penalty for the registered sex offender, saying in court documents that Gardner was “a continued danger to underage girls in the community.”
   Prosecutors said Gardner’s 13-year-old victim was beaten before escaping and running to a neighbor’s residence. “Gardner never expressed a scintilla of remorse for his attack upon the victim, despite overwhelming evidence,” prosecutors wrote in a court memo.
   Authorities believe Gardner was involved in assaults and disappearances of as many as three other females in the Rancho Bernardo area in recent years. San Diego police say Gardner has been positively linked to the Dec. 27 assault of a 22-year-old Colorado Springs woman who managed to ward off her attacker at the same community park where Chelsea King’s car was found. He has also been named a suspect in the disappearance of 14-year-old Amber Dubois, who disappeared while walking to her school in Escondido on Feb. 13, 2009. 

http://www.alpenhornnews.com/default.asp?sourceid=&smenu=1&twindow=&mad=&sdetail=698&wpage=1&skeyword=&sidate=&ccat=&ccatm=&restate=&restatus=&reoption=&retype=&repmin=&repmax=&rebed=&rebath=&subname=&pform=&sc=2750&hn=alpenhornnews&he=.com


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: AZSunny on March 05, 2010, 11:58:53 AM
Thanks a lot for that Klaas.  Relative believes that JAG's actions have something to do with his relationship to his mom.  ::MonkeyEek::  Always seems to be the mother's fault  ::MonkeyNoNo:: 

Morning nrcg..............I thought the same thing....why are some not willing to admit that sometimes people are just born BAD.......whether it's bad wiring in the brain or the DEVIL..............they are born BAD

One of his friends from high school also said that all of his trouble is because of his Mom.  I wonder if he hates his Mom so much that he is taking his anger out on all females?  This man is very sick. 


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Northern Rose on March 05, 2010, 11:59:57 AM
“I’m one that watches out for things, so,” said Braasch, who for the past 15 years has lived right next to the red, cabin-style house in Running Springs where Gardner grew up.

I am looking for the property assessor for Running Springs.  My gut tells me that O'Reilly's will have something to do with that red cabin style house in Running Springs. 


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 05, 2010, 12:05:20 PM
Thank-you Sunny, I signed a petition yesterday, and now I will email to the link you provided. One never knows maybe this case will be the case that things will change dramatically. Chelsea's case is really being talked about here where I live, we live one county over, people are angry, and we all should be angry.


I have been told over the years that internet petitions are useless....I don't know...I imagine some are....but I signed the one yesterday as well, just in case.

People should be angry....we should all be angry....I do think we need to direct that anger in a positive manner, so I will sign anything and email anyplace.......and pray that someone listens
 
I don't doubt they are useless, and I just emailed the White House with the link you provided. I'm sorry to say that was probably useless as well. But I guess one never knows.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 05, 2010, 12:08:17 PM
When the Kings were on LKL last night, although I only caught the end of their segment, I couldn't help comparing their demeanor with that of George and Cindy Anthony.  Even before Chelsea was sadly found, the Kings thanked those searching for her and were most appreciative of everything anyone did on behalf of their missing daughter.  Cindy Anthony, on the other hand, yelled that people should "Get up off your a** and find my granddaughter."  This was before Caylee's remains were found.  There were many people searching for Caylee at that time,  even Tim Miller and his people, but Cindy did everything in her power to thwart any effort at finding Caylee.  To this day she continues to try to shield the murderer of her granddaughter.

IMO the Kings have acted with great courage and dignity during this whole ordeal.  I hope George and Cindy Anthony have seen them and that they recognize the difference between ignorance and grace.

I agree Babybear...this couple has so much grace ...a real tribute to the love that they had for their daughter...
Very lovely couple, my heart goes out to them  ::MonkeyAngel:: The Anthony clan wouldn't know the difference between ignorance and grace, they are nothing but ignorant, and a disgrace.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 05, 2010, 12:11:48 PM
Thanks a lot for that Klaas.  Relative believes that JAG's actions have something to do with his relationship to his mom.  ::MonkeyEek::  Always seems to be the mother's fault  ::MonkeyNoNo:: 

Morning nrcg..............I thought the same thing....why are some not willing to admit that sometimes people are just born BAD.......whether it's bad wiring in the brain or the DEVIL..............they are born BAD

One of his friends from high school also said that all of his trouble is because of his Mom.  I wonder if he hates his Mom so much that he is taking his anger out on all females?  This man is very sick. 
Probably, and sure wouldn't be the first time  ::MonkeyNoNo::   Because he acted strangely at times (Gardner was reportedly enrolled in the school’s Severely Emotionally Disturbed [SED] program)   ::MonkeyEek::I have never heard of that before. But something tells me the defense will be some kind of insanity, and all I'll say is good luck with that bs.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: ScareyCarrie on March 05, 2010, 12:20:12 PM
Thanks a lot for that Klaas.  Relative believes that JAG's actions have something to do with his relationship to his mom.  ::MonkeyEek::  Always seems to be the mother's fault  ::MonkeyNoNo:: 

Morning nrcg..............I thought the same thing....why are some not willing to admit that sometimes people are just born BAD.......whether it's bad wiring in the brain or the DEVIL..............they are born BAD

One of his friends from high school also said that all of his trouble is because of his Mom.  I wonder if he hates his Mom so much that he is taking his anger out on all females?  This man is very sick. 
Probably, and sure wouldn't be the first time  ::MonkeyNoNo::   Because he acted strangely at times (Gardner was reportedly enrolled in the school’s Severely Emotionally Disturbed [SED] program)   ::MonkeyEek::I have never heard of that before. But something tells me the defense will be some kind of insanity, and all I'll say is good luck with that bs.

he will prolly say abused as a child, momma issues, anger and eratic behavoir due to childhood, with a few screws loose....

he seems, so far, to attack young women, i wonder if at that age something happened to him, with a girl, that brings out all this rage and need of revenge...

he also is big now compared to maybe small and weak in school, roids maybe helping him with that issue in life...

also thinking he has done many things, startin younger, and progressively got the the crimes and rage he is at now, having learned he hasnt been caught, and "bettering" his ways in his eyes evertime....

also now way in h3ll i woulda gone to court for tickets if i killed someone who was actively being searched for in my neighbor hood, might be why he skipped court, prolly about chit his pants when he got pulled over too, wonder how the cop noted or precieved his actions and body language at time of bein pulled over


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 05, 2010, 12:34:53 PM
Those are great questions, I wonder also how he was acting when pulled over for the traffic ticket. I'm sure we will hear he pulled wings of a flies, and killed little animals, so forth, so on......


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 05, 2010, 12:47:25 PM
I sure hope the police are in the process of retrieving the gold Pontiac from the junkyard and processing it for evidence, there may be a goldmine of evidence in that car.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Tracygirl on March 05, 2010, 12:47:49 PM
http://www.sandiego6.com/news/local/story/Mailman-Concerns-A-Rancho-Bernardo-Community/ABMWnQ3eokuOmfMUGmMVTQ.cspx      Another disturbing story.

They are afraid to fire the RSO because they are afraid of getting sued by the postal union? Maybe the town needs to sue the postal union?


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 05, 2010, 12:49:44 PM
http://www.sandiego6.com/news/local/story/Mailman-Concerns-A-Rancho-Bernardo-Community/ABMWnQ3eokuOmfMUGmMVTQ.cspx      Another disturbing story.

They are afraid to fire the RSO because they are afraid of getting sued by the postal union? Maybe the town needs to sue the postal union?
Another example of insanity  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Northern Rose on March 05, 2010, 12:57:14 PM
I dont know if this was posted...

 OSBORN, CATHERINE JEANNETTE (Age 54)

Associated names:

 GARDNER, CATHERINE J
 GARDNERPOPPE, CATHERINE
 OSBORN, CATHY
 OSBORN, CATHERINE JEANETTE
 OSBORNE, C
 POPPE, CATHERINE J

Available

SAN DIEGO, CA
PALMDALE, CA
LOS ANGELES, CA
LANCASTER, CA
RUNNING SPRINGS, CA
REDLANDS, CA
ARROWBEAR LAKE, CA
CULVER CITY, CA
LAWNDALE, CA
HAWTHORNE, CA

Possible Relatives:

JUDSON, CHRISTIE LYNN (Age 42)
GARDNER, JOHN ALBERT (Age 65)
POPPE, RONALD M (Age 76)
GARDNER, JOHN A
POPPE, MARY ELLEN (Age 75)
OSBORN, LINDA C (Age 75)
GARDNER, DEANNA N (Age 62)
GARDNER, CATHERINE ANN (Age 38)
OSBORN, MICHAEL PHILLIP (Age 52)

Possible Roommates / Associates:

JERRED, JESSE JAMES (Age 41)
STAPLES, JESSE O (Age 65)
REED, JACK PAUL (Age 54)
DEBRUYN, SOPHIA L (Age 26)
 
http://www.veromi.net/Summary.asp?fn=catherine&mn=&ln=osborn&dobmm=&dobdd=&doby=&city=&state=CA&age=&vw=&Search=&Input=&x=80&y=15

I have been looking through the San Bernardino Property Assessor http://www.co.san-bernardino.ca.us/assessor/

And found a interesting property that ties many of these names together:

Name R/I % Int Type Acquisition Date Document Date Inactive Date Document Numbers
POPPE, DANIEL A SO 25.0000000 B 10/18/1993 04/03/2002 12/20/2007 20020165126 
POPPE, DANIEL A SO 50.0000000 O 04/03/2002 04/03/2002 12/20/2007 20020165126 
POPPE, DANIEL A SO 25.0000000 O 03/06/1998 04/03/2002 12/20/2007 20020165126 
POPPE, DANIEL ALFRED TC 25.0000000 O 10/18/1993 03/06/1998 04/02/2002 9808076900000 
POPPE, MARY E (SP RONALD) JT 25.0000000 O NONE 10/18/1993 04/02/2002 9344270200000 
POPPE, DANIEL A JT 25.0000000 B NONE 10/18/1993 04/02/2002 9344270200000 
POPPE, RONALD M JT 25.0000000 J NONE 10/18/1993 04/02/2002 9344270200000 
POPPE, CATHERINE J (SP DANIEL) JT 25.0000000 O NONE 10/18/1993 03/05/1998 9344270200000 
REED, GLORIA HW 50.0000000 J NONE 07/02/1992 10/17/1993 9227669500000 
REED, JACK P HW 50.0000000 B NONE 07/02/1992 10/17/1993 9227669500000 
STAPLES, JESSE SO 100.0000000 B 04/04/1978 01/27/1984 07/01/1992 8402088200000 
STAPLES, CARMEN M UK 0.0000000 J NONE 04/04/1978 01/26/1984 0000000000488 
STAPLES, JESSE UK 0.0000000 B NONE 04/04/1978 01/26/1984 0000000000488 


http://nppublic.co.san-bernardino.ca.us/newpims/(S(3rvb4ae4m0ykfgrkq5id3s45))/PIMSINTERFACE.ASPX



Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: theboyzmom on March 05, 2010, 12:59:01 PM
It is interesting he was in the SED program at school yet was mainstreamed. normally these kids are kept in a contained classroom - which means they do not go to lunch, class, recess or bathroom with the other kids. SED is a program for kids that are VERY disturbed. The classrooms often have a "quite room" which is basically a cell where they lock the kids when they get out of hand. Almost none of them are mainstreamed and most are not even allowed to participate in extracurriculars. It is a very extreme measure to be classified as SED. It requires a diagnosis from a medical doctor and most of the time a psychiatrist. These kids often do not graduate and are often institutionalized later in life - either in a psychiatric institution or a jail.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 05, 2010, 01:05:41 PM
It is interesting he was in the SED program at school yet was mainstreamed. normally these kids are kept in a contained classroom - which means they do not go to lunch, class, recess or bathroom with the other kids. SED is a program for kids that are VERY disturbed. The classrooms often have a "quite room" which is basically a cell where they lock the kids when they get out of hand. Almost none of them are mainstreamed and most are not even allowed to participate in extracurriculars. It is a very extreme measure to be classified as SED. It requires a diagnosis from a medical doctor and most of the time a psychiatrist. These kids often do not graduate and are often institutionalized later in life - either in a psychiatric institution or a jail.
Wow, thanks for that info, I have never heard of this before, how scary  ::MonkeyEek:: Thanks Northern  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: ScareyCarrie on March 05, 2010, 01:07:31 PM
I sure hope the police are in the process of retrieving the gold Pontiac from the junkyard and processing it for evidence, there may be a goldmine of evidence in that car.

i wonder if he kept anything from any of his victims as a memory or keepsake, or news paper articles or anything


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 05, 2010, 01:07:59 PM
I sure hope the police are in the process of retrieving the gold Pontiac from the junkyard and processing it for evidence, there may be a goldmine of evidence in that car.

i wonder if he kept anything from any of his victims as a memory or keepsake, or news paper articles or anything
I'm going to bet he did.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: ScareyCarrie on March 05, 2010, 01:09:28 PM
I sure hope the police are in the process of retrieving the gold Pontiac from the junkyard and processing it for evidence, there may be a goldmine of evidence in that car.

i wonder if he kept anything from any of his victims as a memory or keepsake, or news paper articles or anything
I'm going to bet he did.

if he did it could considerably help in the cases against him or to help start figuring out how many victims....


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Northern Rose on March 05, 2010, 01:30:23 PM
I dont know if this was posted...

 OSBORN, CATHERINE JEANNETTE (Age 54)

Associated names:

 GARDNER, CATHERINE J
 GARDNERPOPPE, CATHERINE
 OSBORN, CATHY
 OSBORN, CATHERINE JEANETTE
 OSBORNE, C
 POPPE, CATHERINE J

Available

SAN DIEGO, CA
PALMDALE, CA
LOS ANGELES, CA
LANCASTER, CA
RUNNING SPRINGS, CA
REDLANDS, CA
ARROWBEAR LAKE, CA
CULVER CITY, CA
LAWNDALE, CA
HAWTHORNE, CA

Possible Relatives:

JUDSON, CHRISTIE LYNN (Age 42)
GARDNER, JOHN ALBERT (Age 65)
POPPE, RONALD M (Age 76)
GARDNER, JOHN A
POPPE, MARY ELLEN (Age 75)
OSBORN, LINDA C (Age 75)
GARDNER, DEANNA N (Age 62)
GARDNER, CATHERINE ANN (Age 38)
OSBORN, MICHAEL PHILLIP (Age 52)

Possible Roommates / Associates:

JERRED, JESSE JAMES (Age 41)
STAPLES, JESSE O (Age 65)
REED, JACK PAUL (Age 54)
DEBRUYN, SOPHIA L (Age 26)
 
http://www.veromi.net/Summary.asp?fn=catherine&mn=&ln=osborn&dobmm=&dobdd=&doby=&city=&state=CA&age=&vw=&Search=&Input=&x=80&y=15

I have been looking through the San Bernardino Property Assessor http://www.co.san-bernardino.ca.us/assessor/

And found a interesting property that ties many of these names together:

Name R/I % Int Type Acquisition Date Document Date Inactive Date Document Numbers
POPPE, DANIEL A SO 25.0000000 B 10/18/1993 04/03/2002 12/20/2007 20020165126 
POPPE, DANIEL A SO 50.0000000 O 04/03/2002 04/03/2002 12/20/2007 20020165126 
POPPE, DANIEL A SO 25.0000000 O 03/06/1998 04/03/2002 12/20/2007 20020165126 
POPPE, DANIEL ALFRED TC 25.0000000 O 10/18/1993 03/06/1998 04/02/2002 9808076900000 
POPPE, MARY E (SP RONALD) JT 25.0000000 O NONE 10/18/1993 04/02/2002 9344270200000 
POPPE, DANIEL A JT 25.0000000 B NONE 10/18/1993 04/02/2002 9344270200000 
POPPE, RONALD M JT 25.0000000 J NONE 10/18/1993 04/02/2002 9344270200000 
POPPE, CATHERINE J (SP DANIEL) JT 25.0000000 O NONE 10/18/1993 03/05/1998 9344270200000 
REED, GLORIA HW 50.0000000 J NONE 07/02/1992 10/17/1993 9227669500000 
REED, JACK P HW 50.0000000 B NONE 07/02/1992 10/17/1993 9227669500000 
STAPLES, JESSE SO 100.0000000 B 04/04/1978 01/27/1984 07/01/1992 8402088200000 
STAPLES, CARMEN M UK 0.0000000 J NONE 04/04/1978 01/26/1984 0000000000488 
STAPLES, JESSE UK 0.0000000 B NONE 04/04/1978 01/26/1984 0000000000488 


http://nppublic.co.san-bernardino.ca.us/newpims/(S(3rvb4ae4m0ykfgrkq5id3s45))/PIMSINTERFACE.ASPX



Here is the property that was listed to Catherine J Poppe, Spouse Daniel Poppe.



Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 05, 2010, 01:32:36 PM
After listening to the relative from the link to the radio show, one thing that really jumped out for me.  FBI told this relative some info that he cannot talk about, but it was eluded to that there was evidence linking Gardner to Amber's disappearance. When asked if the relative thought that Gardner abducted Amber, the relative hesitated, and then said, "I want to say I hope not, but...   I'm really wondering if perhaps LE has found some clothes, or some belongings that belonged to Amber.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 05, 2010, 01:33:10 PM
Thank-you Northern


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: NCMike on March 05, 2010, 01:44:01 PM
I dont know if this was posted...

 OSBORN, CATHERINE JEANNETTE (Age 54)

Associated names:

 GARDNER, CATHERINE J
 GARDNERPOPPE, CATHERINE
 OSBORN, CATHY
 OSBORN, CATHERINE JEANETTE
 OSBORNE, C
 POPPE, CATHERINE J

Available

SAN DIEGO, CA
PALMDALE, CA
LOS ANGELES, CA
LANCASTER, CA
RUNNING SPRINGS, CA
REDLANDS, CA
ARROWBEAR LAKE, CA
CULVER CITY, CA
LAWNDALE, CA
HAWTHORNE, CA

Possible Relatives:

JUDSON, CHRISTIE LYNN (Age 42)
GARDNER, JOHN ALBERT (Age 65)
POPPE, RONALD M (Age 76)
GARDNER, JOHN A
POPPE, MARY ELLEN (Age 75)
OSBORN, LINDA C (Age 75)
GARDNER, DEANNA N (Age 62)
GARDNER, CATHERINE ANN (Age 38)
OSBORN, MICHAEL PHILLIP (Age 52)

Possible Roommates / Associates:

JERRED, JESSE JAMES (Age 41)
STAPLES, JESSE O (Age 65)
REED, JACK PAUL (Age 54)
DEBRUYN, SOPHIA L (Age 26)
 
http://www.veromi.net/Summary.asp?fn=catherine&mn=&ln=osborn&dobmm=&dobdd=&doby=&city=&state=CA&age=&vw=&Search=&Input=&x=80&y=15

I have been looking through the San Bernardino Property Assessor http://www.co.san-bernardino.ca.us/assessor/

And found a interesting property that ties many of these names together:

Name R/I % Int Type Acquisition Date Document Date Inactive Date Document Numbers
POPPE, DANIEL A SO 25.0000000 B 10/18/1993 04/03/2002 12/20/2007 20020165126 
POPPE, DANIEL A SO 50.0000000 O 04/03/2002 04/03/2002 12/20/2007 20020165126 
POPPE, DANIEL A SO 25.0000000 O 03/06/1998 04/03/2002 12/20/2007 20020165126 
POPPE, DANIEL ALFRED TC 25.0000000 O 10/18/1993 03/06/1998 04/02/2002 9808076900000 
POPPE, MARY E (SP RONALD) JT 25.0000000 O NONE 10/18/1993 04/02/2002 9344270200000 
POPPE, DANIEL A JT 25.0000000 B NONE 10/18/1993 04/02/2002 9344270200000 
POPPE, RONALD M JT 25.0000000 J NONE 10/18/1993 04/02/2002 9344270200000 
POPPE, CATHERINE J (SP DANIEL) JT 25.0000000 O NONE 10/18/1993 03/05/1998 9344270200000 
REED, GLORIA HW 50.0000000 J NONE 07/02/1992 10/17/1993 9227669500000 
REED, JACK P HW 50.0000000 B NONE 07/02/1992 10/17/1993 9227669500000 
STAPLES, JESSE SO 100.0000000 B 04/04/1978 01/27/1984 07/01/1992 8402088200000 
STAPLES, CARMEN M UK 0.0000000 J NONE 04/04/1978 01/26/1984 0000000000488 
STAPLES, JESSE UK 0.0000000 B NONE 04/04/1978 01/26/1984 0000000000488 


http://nppublic.co.san-bernardino.ca.us/newpims/(S(3rvb4ae4m0ykfgrkq5id3s45))/PIMSINTERFACE.ASPX



Here is the property that was listed to Catherine J Poppe, Spouse Daniel Poppe.




Northern

Is that located btwn HWY 18 and Nob Hill Rd?






Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Northern Rose on March 05, 2010, 01:44:45 PM
Search Results for:  POPPE CATHERINE J 
 
Document
Number Document
Date Pages Document
Description
 First Grantor/Grantee
(R=Grantor E=Grantee)
 19980080769  03/06/1998  2 
Deed - Grant 
POPPE CATHERINE J (R)
POPPE DANIEL ALFRED (E)  N/A 

http://acrparis.sbcounty.gov/


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Tracygirl on March 05, 2010, 01:46:12 PM
It is interesting he was in the SED program at school yet was mainstreamed. normally these kids are kept in a contained classroom - which means they do not go to lunch, class, recess or bathroom with the other kids. SED is a program for kids that are VERY disturbed. The classrooms often have a "quite room" which is basically a cell where they lock the kids when they get out of hand. Almost none of them are mainstreamed and most are not even allowed to participate in extracurriculars. It is a very extreme measure to be classified as SED. It requires a diagnosis from a medical doctor and most of the time a psychiatrist. These kids often do not graduate and are often institutionalized later in life - either in a psychiatric institution or a jail.

I believe the educational laws changed in the late 1990's on how to educate children with emotional disabilities and what therapies work and not work. The "calm room" was not available in all schools at the time he was in school. He began school in 1984 or 1985 and went until 1996 0r 97? A fraction of what is available now was available then.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Northern Rose on March 05, 2010, 01:49:15 PM
NCMike - I believe this is the house



Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: SunnyinTX on March 05, 2010, 01:54:29 PM
this will go along with what Klaas posted from listening as well.....

 Originally Posted by SusanB  View Post
That radio interview with JAG's relative was very informative. I was able to get a better perspective of his personality, as well as background of this perp
Things I gleaned from the radio interview:

-Need to retrieve the gold Pontiac from the junkyard and process it for evidence - it may show JAG's involvement in previous crimes.

-Apparently, JAG had behavioral problems, but was able to maintain a "normal" personality towards many people.

-Anger issues - especially having to do with women, but can be targeted towards men as well (fight with relative).

-Family knew he was not supposed to be living w/ grandma


-Family knew that he had committed crime, but the relative said did not know any details, and that (of course) JAG downplayed it - "girl was hooking school, wanted him to go w/ her for the day, he grabbed her arm (bruises), now she had to lie to cover her skipping school."

- Grew up without father figure until late teens.

-Mom was in denial (I can understand - I have two boys. You never want to believe your offspring could be capable of evil).

-FBI revealed to this relative some info that he cannot state - but it was eluded to that there was evidence linking JAG to Amber's disappearance. When asked if the relative thought that JAG abducted Amber - the man hesitated, said, "I want to say I hope not, but..." I am only saying IMO that is what he eluded to.

-JAG had lost employment last few months, and had plenty of free time on his hands. When he first got out of jail, he got construction work - plenty of it - but the economy forced cessation of jobs, and gradually there was little/few jobs.

-JAG was despondent about losing employment.-The last time this relative spoke with JAG was Feb 17, and at that time they argued, and he had to call the sheriff due to JAG's threatening behavior.

JAG moved out of grandma's house Feb 20. The relative did not say exactly why he was kicked out - only that, "We knew he was not supposed to live there." and that he had to leave. That is what according to relative, the argument was about.

IMO this was a man filled with anger coupled with issues dealing with women, add to that loss of employment, need for control (over young petite girls). A powder keg waiting for a light (seeing a girl he can overpower) to explode and exact his revenge to all who he considers wronged him.
IMO there are others. I am going to do some research.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Northern Rose on March 05, 2010, 01:55:07 PM
If I am reading these documents correctly,

Daniel Poppe and his wife Catherine Jeannette Poppe (Gardner)
and Daniel's parents Ronald M and Mary Ellen Poppe purchased the house on Nob Hill Drive 10/18/1993.

Then on 03/06/1998  Catherine J sold her share of the house to Daniel Poppe.  Must be when they divorced or seperated?

Document Number: 19930442702
Document Date: 10/18/1993
Pages: 1 
Document Type: 0001 - Deed - Grant 
   Image Available: NOT AUTHORIZED 
Book/Page: NA / NA 
Parcel Number: NA 
 
Grantor Names 
REED JACK P & GLORIA

Grantee Names
POPPE DANIEL ALFRED & CATHERINE JEANNETTE 
POPPE RONALD M & MARY ELLEN 

http://acrparis.sbcounty.gov/


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Northern Rose on March 05, 2010, 02:25:00 PM
If you add the property information from today with what Klaas found yesterday on Catherine J Osborn Gardner Poppe, we know in 1993 she showed up on the house title in Running Springs with husband Daniel.  She sold her part of the house to Daniel in 1998.  She shows up on a deed in San Diego County on 3/18/1998 as Catherine Poppe. 

Document Details Back To Search Results
Doc No: 1998-0147370 Record Date: 3/18/1998
Reel: 18984 Image: 1159 Pages: 2
 
Document Type: DEED
    Grantor(s):
        ABOLINS M SOLEDAD 
    Grantee(s):
        POPPE CATHERINE 
 http://arcc.co.san-diego.ca.us/services/grantorgrantee/search.aspx?FileNum=19980147370&OldSearch=1


The day after she shows up on another deed with Daniel Poppe where he sells a property to her.  Party of a divorce seperation agreement maybe?


Document Details Back To Search Results
Doc No: 1998-0149784 Record Date: 3/19/1998
Reel: 18988 Image: 1725 Pages: 2
 
Document Type: DEED
    Grantor(s):
        POPPE DANIEL 
    Grantee(s):
        POPPE CATHERINE 
 
 http://arcc.co.san-diego.ca.us/services/grantorgrantee/search.aspx?FileNum=19980149784&OldSearch=1


In 2000 she buys a townhouse:


Document Details Back To Search Results
Doc No: 2000-0464001 Record Date: 8/29/2000
Reel: 20787 Image: 9707 Pages: 1
 
Document Type: RELEASE
    Grantor(s):
        WESTWOOD TOWNHOUSES MGMT CORP # 2 
    Grantee(s):
        POPPE CATHERINE 
http://arcc.co.san-diego.ca.us/services/grantorgrantee/search.aspx?FileNum=20000464001&OldSearch=1


Then in 2000 this deed may just be a name change to Osborn:


Document Details Back To Search Results
Doc No: 2000-0683151 Record Date: 12/14/2000
Reel: 20860 Image: 11544 Pages: 4
 
Document Type: DEED
    Grantor(s):
        OSBORN CATHERINE J 
        POPPE CATHERINE 
    Grantee(s):
        OSBORN CATHERINE J 
 
 http://arcc.co.san-diego.ca.us/services/grantorgrantee/search.aspx?FileNum=20000683151&OldSearch=1


2005 is the Quit Claim where we see the name Kevin P O'Reilly


Document Details Back To Search Results
Doc No: 2005-0744042 Record Date: 8/29/2005
Reel: 0 Image: 0 Pages: 3
 
Document Type: QUITCLAIM DEED
    Grantor(s):
        OSBORN CATHERINE J 
    Grantee(s):
        OSBORN CATHERINE J 
        OREILLY KEVIN P 
 
 http://arcc.co.san-diego.ca.us/services/grantorgrantee/search.aspx?FileNum=20050744042&OldSearch=1

Where were her and JAG prior to showing up in 1993 in Running Springs?  And the big question still is who is Kevin P O'Reilly?  Could he be the stepdad?


 


 




Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Northern Rose on March 05, 2010, 02:35:50 PM
Brought over from Amber's thread

Tip Leads To All-Out Search Of Kit Carson Park

POSTED: 10:39 am PST March 5, 2010
UPDATED: 11:05 am PST March 5, 2010


SAN DIEGO -- Escondido police are searching Kit Carson park after a phone call described a find by two boys less than 10 miles from where high school student Amber Dubois disappeared in 2009.

The boys discovered a bag of hair in the park in May of 2009. The boys told their parents what they saw but the parents didn't think anything of it until the recent Chelsea King investigation.

Escondido police received the call yesterday and told 10News that they plan to conduct a search throughout the day.   

Amber Dubois disappeared less than 10 miles away from the park on Feb. 13, 2009, on her way to Escondido High School.

Stay with 10News and 10News.com for the latest on this developing story.


http://www.10news.com/news/22754484/detail.html?treets=sand&tml=sand_break&ts=T&tmi=sand_break_1_01000103052010


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 05, 2010, 02:42:16 PM
Brought over from Amber's thread

Tip Leads To All-Out Search Of Kit Carson Park

POSTED: 10:39 am PST March 5, 2010
UPDATED: 11:05 am PST March 5, 2010


SAN DIEGO -- Escondido police are searching Kit Carson park after a phone call described a find by two boys less than 10 miles from where high school student Amber Dubois disappeared in 2009.

The boys discovered a bag of hair in the park in May of 2009. The boys told their parents what they saw but the parents didn't think anything of it until the recent Chelsea King investigation.

Escondido police received the call yesterday and told 10News that they plan to conduct a search throughout the day.   

Amber Dubois disappeared less than 10 miles away from the park on Feb. 13, 2009, on her way to Escondido High School.

Stay with 10News and 10News.com for the latest on this developing story.


http://www.10news.com/news/22754484/detail.html?treets=sand&tml=sand_break&ts=T&tmi=sand_break_1_01000103052010
  So, I take it they didn't keep the bag of hair? Not that I would expect them too, but OMG.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Tracygirl on March 05, 2010, 02:50:08 PM
Brought over from Amber's thread

Tip Leads To All-Out Search Of Kit Carson Park

POSTED: 10:39 am PST March 5, 2010
UPDATED: 11:05 am PST March 5, 2010


SAN DIEGO -- Escondido police are searching Kit Carson park after a phone call described a find by two boys less than 10 miles from where high school student Amber Dubois disappeared in 2009.

The boys discovered a bag of hair in the park in May of 2009. The boys told their parents what they saw but the parents didn't think anything of it until the recent Chelsea King investigation.

Escondido police received the call yesterday and told 10News that they plan to conduct a search throughout the day.   

Amber Dubois disappeared less than 10 miles away from the park on Feb. 13, 2009, on her way to Escondido High School.

Stay with 10News and 10News.com for the latest on this developing story.


http://www.10news.com/news/22754484/detail.html?treets=sand&tml=sand_break&ts=T&tmi=sand_break_1_01000103052010

A bag of hair? In a park? I wish we could see a pic of his mother and some of the other attempted victims of his. 


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: NCMike on March 05, 2010, 03:30:01 PM
Thank you Northern!

I'm taking away from that info that JAG was also at that address, from roughly age 13-18(?)





Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: klaasend on March 05, 2010, 03:48:27 PM
I'm creating a separate forum area for this case right under where Amber's thread/forum is.  I have some related threads pertaining to this case I want to add.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: cookie on March 05, 2010, 04:12:47 PM
I'm creating a separate forum area for this case right under where Amber's thread/forum is.  I have some related threads pertaining to this case I want to add.

is this thread still open then?  ::HelloKitty::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: klaasend on March 05, 2010, 04:20:47 PM
I'm creating a separate forum area for this case right under where Amber's thread/forum is.  I have some related threads pertaining to this case I want to add.

is this thread still open then?  ::HelloKitty::

Yes, I simply moved it and everyone over to the new thread/forum  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: ScareyCarrie on March 05, 2010, 04:27:05 PM
i am very curious if JAG is recieving, reading, or watchin the news, and if so what his demenor is, body language and how his is acting, re this search for amber........


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: MuffyBee on March 05, 2010, 05:35:08 PM
I'm creating a separate forum area for this case right under where Amber's thread/forum is.  I have some related threads pertaining to this case I want to add.

is this thread still open then?  ::HelloKitty::

Yes, I simply moved it and everyone over to the new thread/forum  ::MonkeyCool::

Thank you Klaas.  It makes things much easier going back and forth between the two cases.  I hardly felt a thing when you brought us on over. 


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Northern Rose on March 05, 2010, 06:41:09 PM
http://www.signon.mobi/sdut/db_11876/contentmedia.htm?contentguid=imeF8hVs&mediaIndex=4

33210 Gillette St, Lake Elsinore, CA.  Don't think Granny drives a pick up truck.  Need to add that to list of vehicles he may have had access to.



Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: SunnyinTX on March 05, 2010, 08:37:40 PM
I thought there was a new thread and I was looking all over for it...and it was right here all along.....I thought i was soooooooooooooo lost.............. ::MonkeyJnBox::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: klaasend on March 05, 2010, 08:48:20 PM
http://www.10news.com/news/22758661/detail.html

Effort Begins To Rename Park After Chelsea King

POSTED: 4:51 pm PST March 5, 2010
UPDATED: 4:52 pm PST March 5, 2010

SAN DIEGO -- Backers of a name change of the park where Chelsea King began her fateful run are gathering support for the idea Friday.

The 17-year-old Poway High School senior and cross-country runner disappeared after she parked her BMW at Rancho Bernardo Community Park last Thursday and ran off along the trails near Lake Hodges, sparking a massive search that ended five days later.

A body believed to be that of the teen was found in a shallow grave near the water's edge.
(snipped)


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: cookie on March 05, 2010, 08:58:50 PM
I thought there was a new thread and I was looking all over for it...and it was right here all along.....I thought i was soooooooooooooo lost.............. ::MonkeyJnBox::

Sunny...me too but I didn't want to be the first one to admit to it!  ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: cookie on March 05, 2010, 09:02:26 PM
not sure if this was mentioned before but I agree with JVM on a point that she made the other night on her show...why wasn't there a poster up saying that other girls had been attacked in this area?

there would be a warning if there was a dip in the sidewalk or other matters, so why not on such an important matter of girls being attacked there?


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: SunnyinTX on March 05, 2010, 09:02:51 PM
http://www.10news.com/news/22758661/detail.html

Effort Begins To Rename Park After Chelsea King

POSTED: 4:51 pm PST March 5, 2010
UPDATED: 4:52 pm PST March 5, 2010

SAN DIEGO -- Backers of a name change of the park where Chelsea King began her fateful run are gathering support for the idea Friday.

The 17-year-old Poway High School senior and cross-country runner disappeared after she parked her BMW at Rancho Bernardo Community Park last Thursday and ran off along the trails near Lake Hodges, sparking a massive search that ended five days later.

A body believed to be that of the teen was found in a shallow grave near the water's edge.
(snipped)
thanks Klaas.....


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: SunnyinTX on March 05, 2010, 09:05:20 PM
I thought there was a new thread and I was looking all over for it...and it was right here all along.....I thought i was soooooooooooooo lost.............. ::MonkeyJnBox::

Sunny...me too but I didn't want to be the first one to admit to it!  ::MonkeyDevil::

hahahaha...you know me!  I have no shame ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Shell on March 05, 2010, 09:15:06 PM

In the news report showing JAG's arraignment, I looked for signs of scratch marks on his face and arms, and did not see any.

They are doing a search at Kit Carson Park for Amber. Some children found a bag of hair a while back and told their parents and not much was thought of it until after Chelsea went missing and found dead. They located the bag and it did not have an evidentary value. They are continuing to look in the park.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Shell on March 05, 2010, 09:20:02 PM

A neighbor who lived across from JAG when he was a teenager said he was a really nice boy and she never had a problem with him. That can be said about a lot of people. There was a guy in my hometown who was a "nice guy"...until he blew off his parents head with a shotgun.
 ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: SunnyinTX on March 05, 2010, 09:25:19 PM

In the news report showing JAG's arraignment, I looked for signs of scratch marks on his face and arms, and did not see any.

They are doing a search at Kit Carson Park for Amber. Some children found a bag of hair a while back and told their parents and not much was thought of it until after Chelsea went missing and found dead. They located the bag and it did not have an evidentary value. They are continuing to look in the park.

Hi Shell, I looked too and wasn't surprised not to see any...he is huge and Chelsea was tiny..it would be difficult for him to render her helpless immediately IMO.

thanks for the update on the search in Kit Carson Park.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: SunnyinTX on March 05, 2010, 09:26:30 PM

In the news report showing JAG's arraignment, I looked for signs of scratch marks on his face and arms, and did not see any.

They are doing a search at Kit Carson Park for Amber. Some children found a bag of hair a while back and told their parents and not much was thought of it until after Chelsea went missing and found dead. They located the bag and it did not have an evidentary value. They are continuing to look in the park.

Hi Shell, I looked too and wasn't surprised not to see any...he is huge and Chelsea was tiny..it would NOT....be difficult for him to render her helpless immediately IMO.

thanks for the update on the search in Kit Carson Park.

self edit....


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Nut44x4 on March 05, 2010, 09:58:36 PM
If my child was found dead in a park, I would not want the park to bear my childs' name  ::MonkeyNoNo:: jmoo


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: mymonkey on March 05, 2010, 10:33:40 PM
If my child was found dead in a park, I would not want the park to bear my childs' name  ::MonkeyNoNo:: jmoo

Nut... your not alone..that was my first thought   ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Live*Learn*Love on March 06, 2010, 01:43:27 AM

In the news report showing JAG's arraignment, I looked for signs of scratch marks on his face and arms, and did not see any.

They are doing a search at Kit Carson Park for Amber. Some children found a bag of hair a while back and told their parents and not much was thought of it until after Chelsea went missing and found dead. They located the bag and it did not have an evidentary value. They are continuing to look in the park.

So I just had a thought.... I know a little of people post comments on news stories that attack the family or provide information that is untrue to mislead the search effort. But if the comment about someone seeing a guy matching JAG while hiking on Mount Woodson is true.... I was thinking.... this is VERY close to Kit Carson park where the children saw the bag of hair. Is there anyway that JAG knew he was going to be caught and wanted to go to the place Amber might be to make an attempt to collect an evidence or hide anything before so he would not be connect to both crimes. Maybe he even went to visit that site... I wonder if they ever followed through a checked out Mt. Woodson.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Bearlyhere on March 06, 2010, 04:06:33 AM
http://www.sandiego6.com/news/local/story/Mailman-Concerns-A-Rancho-Bernardo-Community/ABMWnQ3eokuOmfMUGmMVTQ.cspx      Another disturbing story.

that is CRAZY..... ::MonkeyNoNo::
That is really disturbing, now you have to wonder about the mailman, I have to say I never have in the past. Sometimes we have a woman and then sometimes the usual guy driving around in the mail truck.

Me neither.....thankfully I do KNOW our postman.....living in a small town does have it's advantages

I have been thinking and wanting to DO SOMETHING. I put out SO information at our local parks and at the State Park....yesterday I took my dog for a walk at the state park with a friend (and pepper spray and a personal alarm)... have to admit this is the first time I have been apprehensive about walking the trails. And I am no ta young girl.....I am an old woman. Anyway, the bulletin board where  pit the info on the local SO's had 2 small BLUE ribbons ......I honestly believe those were for Chelsea. So here in rural MO, Chelsea is remembered.

I just emailed the White House and put the link to this story and said CHELSEA DID NOT HAVE TO DIE....I don't know if it will get anyone's attention...but perhaps if a LOT of people did the same thing.....and stated CHELSEA DID NOT HAVE TO DIE, it might get someone's attention.  So anyone interested, here's the address

http://www.whitehouse.gov/contact

when you send the email you will get a thank you page....perhaps it's a start....if we can get hundreds and thousands of people to email someone in Washington might take notice. m I am posting this info on my facebook and encouraging my friends to email and post the information on their facebook.....



http://www.whitehouse.gov/thank-you

I think it will get a lot of people's attention once they see your headline, especially since our former president's daughter has the same name.   I expect the Secret Service at your house any time now.

 ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyEek::




Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: cookie on March 06, 2010, 09:22:19 AM
If my child was found dead in a park, I would not want the park to bear my childs' name  ::MonkeyNoNo:: jmoo

Nut... your not alone..that was my first thought   ::MonkeyNoNo::

I thought the same thing...would not want it either...


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: SunnyinTX on March 06, 2010, 09:54:29 AM
If my child was found dead in a park, I would not want the park to bear my childs' name  ::MonkeyNoNo:: jmoo

that was my first thought as well.....the constant reminder of why the park was named after her would drive me crazy.................


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: SunnyinTX on March 06, 2010, 09:58:02 AM
http://www.sandiego6.com/news/local/story/Mailman-Concerns-A-Rancho-Bernardo-Community/ABMWnQ3eokuOmfMUGmMVTQ.cspx      Another disturbing story.

that is CRAZY..... ::MonkeyNoNo::
That is really disturbing, now you have to wonder about the mailman, I have to say I never have in the past. Sometimes we have a woman and then sometimes the usual guy driving around in the mail truck.

Me neither.....thankfully I do KNOW our postman.....living in a small town does have it's advantages

I have been thinking and wanting to DO SOMETHING. I put out SO information at our local parks and at the State Park....yesterday I took my dog for a walk at the state park with a friend (and pepper spray and a personal alarm)... have to admit this is the first time I have been apprehensive about walking the trails. And I am no ta young girl.....I am an old woman. Anyway, the bulletin board where  pit the info on the local SO's had 2 small BLUE ribbons ......I honestly believe those were for Chelsea. So here in rural MO, Chelsea is remembered.

I just emailed the White House and put the link to this story and said CHELSEA DID NOT HAVE TO DIE....I don't know if it will get anyone's attention...but perhaps if a LOT of people did the same thing.....and stated CHELSEA DID NOT HAVE TO DIE, it might get someone's attention.  So anyone interested, here's the address

http://www.whitehouse.gov/contact

when you send the email you will get a thank you page....perhaps it's a start....if we can get hundreds and thousands of people to email someone in Washington might take notice. m I am posting this info on my facebook and encouraging my friends to email and post the information on their facebook.....



http://www.whitehouse.gov/thank-you

I think it will get a lot of people's attention once they see your headline, especially since our former president's daughter has the same name.   I expect the Secret Service at your house any time now.

 ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyEek::

so far so good as far as the SS goes..... ::MonkeyJnBox::  ....I hope the headline gets someone's attention.... ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: klaasend on March 06, 2010, 11:03:56 AM
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Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: klaasend on March 06, 2010, 11:07:36 AM
http://www.10news.com/news/22758580/detail.html

Are Gardner's Parents Liable In King Case?

POSTED: 4:41 pm PST March 5, 2010
UPDATED: 6:28 pm PST March 5, 2010

SAN DIEGO -- There are questions concerning the parents of John Gardner and what responsibility -- if any -- they have in the Chelsea King case.

Gardner registered as a sex offender in Lake Elsinore, but he was living at his parents' house in Rancho Bernardo. He was not registered there, and 10News has received a number of calls and e-mails from viewers asking if the parents could be charged with harboring a known sex offender.

According to former district attorney Paul Pfingst, Gardner's parents can't be charged.

"Mr. Gardner has the responsibility of registering with law enforcement. Not his mother, not his father. They are not responsible if he failed to fulfill that obligation, even if they knew it," Pfingst told 10News.

While debate rages over what needs to change to prevent another case like Chelsea King's, Pfingst said more focus is needed on violent sex offenders. He said there are 60,000 registered sex offenders in California, and law enforcement can't possibly keep track of all of them.

"We have to trim the list of that 60,000 down to a number of truly dangerous people and then intensively supervise them," he said.
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Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 06, 2010, 11:15:17 AM
According to former district attorney Paul Pfingst, Gardner's parents can't be charged.   ::MonkeyEek:: This is hard for me to swallow, you know your son has his address listed at another address because he is a RSO, but it is okay for him to live at a different address, no it is not  ::MonkeyNoNo:: And thank-you for the map, it puts it into a better perspective the area where both Amber and Chelsea went missing from. And I also don't believe for one minute that the police are out searching Kit Carson Park, because of some little kids finding some hair in a bag months ago, imo, something else bigger is going on.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 06, 2010, 11:16:26 AM
"We have to trim the list of that 60,000 down to a number of truly dangerous people and then intensively supervise them," he said.   ::MonkeyNoNo::  And how do you intend to do that, of course that is not going to happen.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: klaasend on March 06, 2010, 11:30:04 AM
JAG is an adult.  His parents aren't liable for making him register and I understand that. I just think morally, his mom at least should have been less protecting of him and based upon her lifestyle, could have been a better role model. 

Didn't we see somewhere that it looks like JAG may have a sister?  I wonder what she is like?


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 06, 2010, 11:54:35 AM
JAG is an adult.  His parents aren't liable for making him register and I understand that. I just think morally, his mom at least should have been less protecting of him and based upon her lifestyle, could have been a better role model. 

Didn't we see somewhere that it looks like JAG may have a sister?  I wonder what she is like?
I'm just having a problem that if your child is a RSO they shouldn't be allowed to be living at a different address, and I don't believe for a minute that she didn't know that. Morally one should do that, but I guess one couldn't have expected that from her. I saw something about a sister, but don't know anything more.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Missiontoconvict on March 06, 2010, 12:04:36 PM
"We have to trim the list of that 60,000 down to a number of truly dangerous people and then intensively supervise them," he said.   ::MonkeyNoNo::  And how do you intend to do that, of course that is not going to happen.
Exactly - 60,000? 1 is to many, the best way to track them is to lock them all up and throw away the key.  Time to start cleaning up those waiting on death row and make room for these monsters.  I can't even begin to fathom they will ever track these perps no matter what the number  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 06, 2010, 12:44:02 PM
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/mar/06/deeply-troubled-picture-emerges-of-suspects-life/  Very interesting article about Gardner's background, it appears that he has two sisters.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 06, 2010, 12:45:08 PM
Gardner was living in the Los Angeles suburb of Lawndale in 1990 when his mother filed for divorce from his father. The family packed up and moved to this San Bernardino Mountain vacation retreat after her divorce became official.

Catherine Jeannette Gardner also had two older daughters, then 17 and 18, from a previous marriage; she would have two more husbands before her son’s latest arrest.

His parents’ separation caused him extreme anxiety, eventually leading to hospitalization and psychiatric treatment, court records say. The divorce records show Gardner’s father was ordered to pay $70 a month in child support.

Even through the months leading up to their son’s 18th birthday, Gardner’s mother and father fought in court over money, custody and much more.

“I have left message after message for John but I never hear from him,” his father wrote to a family court judge in November 1996. “My Christmas gift to John was returned even though I sent it to the correct address.”

While enrolled in public schools, Gardner was identified as an SED child, or seriously emotionally disturbed. A psychiatrist noted that lithium helped the boy’s bipolar disorder until he had to discontinue the medication because of side effects such as irritable bowel syndrome.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 06, 2010, 12:46:31 PM
“It seemed like his medications changed a lot, and we didn’t know if that was because of his mother or because he was seeing someone new” for treatment, said the neighbor and family friend, who also said Catherine Gardner worked as a mental-health administrator.   ::MonkeyEek::  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: yuknomenot on March 06, 2010, 12:56:51 PM
According to former district attorney Paul Pfingst, Gardner's parents can't be charged.   ::MonkeyEek:: This is hard for me to swallow, you know your son has his address listed at another address because he is a RSO, but it is okay for him to live at a different address, no it is not  ::MonkeyNoNo:: And thank-you for the map, it puts it into a better perspective the area where both Amber and Chelsea went missing from. And I also don't believe for one minute that the police are out searching Kit Carson Park, because of some little kids finding some hair in a bag months ago, imo, something else bigger is going on.

IMO, this is no different than harboring a fugitive, (actually, it's worse because of the nature of the crime) and it should be a felony for anyone, in any way, assisting these sick freaks.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 06, 2010, 12:57:57 PM
According to former district attorney Paul Pfingst, Gardner's parents can't be charged.   ::MonkeyEek:: This is hard for me to swallow, you know your son has his address listed at another address because he is a RSO, but it is okay for him to live at a different address, no it is not  ::MonkeyNoNo:: And thank-you for the map, it puts it into a better perspective the area where both Amber and Chelsea went missing from. And I also don't believe for one minute that the police are out searching Kit Carson Park, because of some little kids finding some hair in a bag months ago, imo, something else bigger is going on.

IMO, this is no different than harboring a fugitive, (actually, it's worse because of the nature of the crime) and it should be a felony for anyone, in any way, assisting these sick freaks.
That is exactly how I look at it.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: yuknomenot on March 06, 2010, 01:05:12 PM
According to former district attorney Paul Pfingst, Gardner's parents can't be charged.   ::MonkeyEek:: This is hard for me to swallow, you know your son has his address listed at another address because he is a RSO, but it is okay for him to live at a different address, no it is not  ::MonkeyNoNo:: And thank-you for the map, it puts it into a better perspective the area where both Amber and Chelsea went missing from. And I also don't believe for one minute that the police are out searching Kit Carson Park, because of some little kids finding some hair in a bag months ago, imo, something else bigger is going on.

IMO, this is no different than harboring a fugitive, (actually, it's worse because of the nature of the crime) and it should be a felony for anyone, in any way, assisting these sick freaks.
That is exactly how I look at it.
We would never have to worry about it, however, if once caught they were never released.  The perfect solution could never happen, legally, IYKWIM  ::MonkeyWink::



Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 06, 2010, 01:16:47 PM
Exactly once caught, never release them. And in this case, you have a doctor saying he will do it again, he is a threat to young girls  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Northern Rose on March 06, 2010, 01:23:10 PM
JAG is an adult.  His parents aren't liable for making him register and I understand that. I just think morally, his mom at least should have been less protecting of him and based upon her lifestyle, could have been a better role model. 

Didn't we see somewhere that it looks like JAG may have a sister?  I wonder what she is like?

Two sisters


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Northern Rose on March 06, 2010, 01:29:37 PM
Picture emerges of suspect as deeply troubled

RUNNING SPRINGS — He was popular with girls and made fun of by classmates. He ran errands for neighbors and discovered outdoor sports. He could be moody and aggressive when he didn’t take his medication.

By any measure, the adolescent years that accused killer John Albert Gardner III spent in this mountaintop village were the high-water mark of a deeply troubled life.

He was never a standout at Rim of the World High School, the all-weather campus along state Route 18 overlooking the Los Angeles Basin. Many teachers and former students at the Home of the Fighting Scots don’t even remember him.

But this is where Gardner, a 30-year-old convicted sex offender charged Wednesday with the murder of 17-year-old Chelsea King of Poway, also flourished.

It’s where he spent his formative years, where his mom bounced checks for the hockey equipment he needed, where he dated for the first time and where classmates teased him for being “dorky and unpopular.”

This is where he excelled at pottery, listened to country music and sang in the high school choir. Those who knew Gardner considered him bright, intelligent and full of promise.

But today Gardner is confronting life in prison — perhaps the death penalty — if he is convicted of killing Chelsea, the track star and French-horn player who went missing Feb. 25 while out for a jog at Lake Hodges.

“The person that we knew and the person that they’re describing are two different people,” said one of Gardner’s former neighbors, who did not want her name published because she fears her business would suffer. “In my heart, if he did do these things, I think it was just because he gave up,” the woman said. “He got tired of asking for help.”
 
Gardner was living in the Los Angeles suburb of Lawndale in 1990 when his mother filed for divorce from his father. The family packed up and moved to this San Bernardino Mountain vacation retreat after her divorce became official.

Catherine Jeannette Gardner also had two older daughters, then 17 and 18, from a previous marriage; she would have two more husbands before her son’s latest arrest.

His parents’ separation caused him extreme anxiety, eventually leading to hospitalization and psychiatric treatment, court records say. The divorce records show Gardner’s father was ordered to pay $70 a month in child support.

Even through the months leading up to their son’s 18th birthday, Gardner’s mother and father fought in court over money, custody and much more.

“I have left message after message for John but I never hear from him,” his father wrote to a family court judge in November 1996. “My Christmas gift to John was returned even though I sent it to the correct address.”

While enrolled in public schools, Gardner was identified as an SED child, or seriously emotionally disturbed. A psychiatrist noted that lithium helped the boy’s bipolar disorder until he had to discontinue the medication because of side effects such as irritable bowel syndrome.

Up on the mountain, Gardner generally managed to stay out of trouble. He played baseball in the spring, skied through the winters and used a neighbor’s climbing wall. According to the divorce file, he even joined the law-enforcement component of the school’s regional-occupation program, which tries to match young people to suitable careers.

Family friends said despite Gardner’s outward confidence and cheery disposition, he struggled through adolescence. He suffered dramatic mood swings and talked openly about needing help.


“It seemed like his medications changed a lot, and we didn’t know if that was because of his mother or because he was seeing someone new” for treatment, said the neighbor and family friend, who also said Catherine Gardner worked as a mental-health administrator.


His first criminal conviction came in 1998, a year after he graduated from Rim of the World. Records show he was charged with disturbing the peace after showing up on the campus uninvited.

Local officials recommended probation because of his clean record. Despite getting a break from prosecutors, Gardner had difficulty meeting adult responsibilities.

He left the mountain in search of work, a career, someplace where, as his mother put it in court papers later, he could “contribute something meaningful back to society.”

But friends said Gardner was slow to find his niche.

He took assorted jobs before landing a part-time position at a San Diego sporting goods store, intermittently staying in touch with some friends from his high school years.

In the weeks before he turned 21, Gardner won a promotion at the Big 5 store in Mira Mesa to a full-time job, according to court records. He was singled out for his work ethic and dedication, and began dating a young co-worker.

At the same time, however, his interest in younger girls got the better of him.

On March 16, 2000, he picked up a pair of teenage girls on their way to school and took one of them to his mother’s Rancho Bernardo townhouse. As they watched a movie, he began rubbing the 13-year-old and, his sexual advances rebuffed, he beat and fondled the girl before she escaped.

Gardner was arrested within minutes and eventually pleaded guilty to committing lewd acts with a minor. He was facing more than 10 years in prison, yet three young women wrote to the judge seeking leniency.

“The first time that we went out I probably waited for about 4 hours for him to kiss me but after 4 hours of nothing I finally decided to kiss him,” former girlfriend Beth Melban wrote. “That is why I couldn’t believe he was being accused of forcing himself on a girl.”

One psychiatrist said Gardner showed no remorse and suggested he be locked up as long as possible; another recommended probation and treatment for Gardner, even though he had admitted having sexual relations with two underage girls.

Gardner was 21 when he was sentenced to six years in prison.


R.J. Donovan Correctional Facility is an overcrowded prison on Otay Mesa that often acts as a receiving barn for new convicts. Gardner arrived from San Diego County jail on Sept. 18, 2000.

Three months later he was sent to the California Correctional Institution in Tehachapi. While he was there, his father — a self-employed “assembler” — declared bankruptcy in 2002, with $5 in his pocket and $227 spread across three checking accounts.

In April 2005, Gardner was moved to Avenal State Prison in central California until he was paroled that September.

After his release, Gardner was monitored like thousands of other sex offenders who make parole. He was ordered to register with local police wherever he lived. In January 2008, eight months before his parole case was closed, Gardner was “placed on a passive GPS caseload,” a prison spokeswoman said.

Prison officials could not provide details of Gardner’s time in state custody or discuss his parole term. Requests for public records of his case have not yet been processed.

Two months after Gardner’s parole ended, his father died at age 64.

The son kept a decidedly low profile outside prison, although he did receive a few traffic citations. He bounced around between Riverside and San Diego counties. Police now suspect he was spending time scouting young girls.

In January 2009, 14-year-old Amber Dubois of Escondido went missing from a street just two miles from where Gardner was living. Since his DNA was linked to Chelsea on Sunday, he has become a suspect in Amber’s case.

Riverside County investigators are checking a report from October that a man matching Gardner’s description tried to abduct a 14-year-old girl on her way to school in Lake Elsinore, where Gardner also registered as a sex offender.

By early this year, many of the better things in Gardner’s life were falling apart. Within the span of a few weeks earlier this year, he lost his steadiest job and his girlfriend and also crashed his car, according to a family acquaintance in Running Springs.

Witnesses now say Gardner may have been stalking girls near Bernardo Heights Middle School on Feb. 24. The next day Chelsea was gone.

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/mar/06/deeply-troubled-picture-emerges-of-suspects-life/


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 06, 2010, 01:34:54 PM
Thank-you for printing that out, some very interesting things in that article  ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: sebastian on March 06, 2010, 01:46:00 PM
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/mar/06/deeply-troubled-picture-emerges-of-suspects-life/  Very interesting article about Gardner's background, it appears that he has two sisters.

Granted I do not know all any of the details that caused JAG's mother to divorce JAG's father. However, based on this article, it seems that his father wanted to be a part of JAG's life and his mother would not allow that. It is probably a good thing that his father is deceased and does not have to see what his son has become.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 06, 2010, 01:51:58 PM
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/mar/06/deeply-troubled-picture-emerges-of-suspects-life/  Very interesting article about Gardner's background, it appears that he has two sisters.

Granted I do not know all any of the details that caused JAG's mother to divorce JAG's father. However, based on this article, it seems that his father wanted to be a part of JAG's life and his mother would not allow that. It is probably a good thing that his father is deceased and does not have to see what his son has become.
I agree. And I sure would like to know about his mother and working in the mental health field. Was she trying to help him on her own?


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: SuzieQ on March 06, 2010, 02:18:16 PM
Two teens dissapear- Two different police responses:


 SAN DIEGO — The disappearances of 14-year-old Amber Dubois and 17-year-old Chelsea King illustrate a sad fact: not all missing children cases are treated the same.

Chelsea disappeared Feb. 25, last seen in a park with running clothes. The case sparked a search involving about 1,500 law enforcement officials and thousands of volunteers. It ended five days later when a body was found in a shallow lakeside grave.

Amber was walking to school when she vanished a year ago just 10 miles north of the site where Chelsea was last seen. Leads went nowhere. The news media showed little interest.

After prosecutors charged a convicted sex offender in Chelsea's death, a search for Amber has intensified. On Saturday, police drained a pond for a second day at Kit Carson Park in Escondido to search for evidence of Amber, Lt. Craig Carter said.

Perhaps the biggest determinant in getting the attention of law enforcement and reporters is whether there are signs of foul play that may put other children at risk. The skill of a victim's family at working with the media and mobilizing supporters also helps decide which cases capture public interest.

There are 115 non-family child abductions a year in the United States — an average of more than two a week, according to the latest Department of Justice figures from 1999. But only a handful get anywhere near the attention that followed the disappearance of Chelsea King.

FBI dive teams scoured Lake Hodges for Chelsea, the Marines dispatched a C-130 plane and an unmanned aerial vehicle circled above. Law enforcement officers came from as far as Santa Barbara, more than 200 miles away.

CBS News - Chelsea King Suspect's Past
 San Diego County Sheriff William Gore was at the scene the same night Chelsea's father found her 1994 BMW parked at Rancho Bernardo Community Park and stayed throughout much of the round-the-clock search.

Signs of foul play quickly emerged. In addition to the locked car, a California Department of Justice spokeswoman said authorities found Chelsea's semen-stained clothing, leading them to arrest convicted sex offender John Albert Gardner III outside a restaurant in Escondido.

Gardner, 30, spent five years in prison for molesting a 13-year-old neighbor in 2000. He has pleaded not guilty to Chelsea's murder and the attempted rape of another woman in December.

Susan Plese, a spokeswoman for the San Diego County Sheriff's Department, said no one was available Friday to discuss the scale of the response to the King case compared to other disappearances. Experts said evidence of foul play was probably key.

"Any evidence that confirms foul play will definitely bump up the visibility," said David Finkelhor, director of the University of New Hampshire's Crimes Against Children Research Center. "If there's a homicidal maniac in the community and there's a threat to you and your kid, that always increases the fever about a case."

Maurice Dubois said a spate of early reports that his daughter had been seen hampered his efforts to draw attention to the case. None of those sightings panned out and instead fueled speculation that Amber was a runaway rather than a crime victim.

Amber was last seen walking on Feb. 13, 2009 with a man about 200 yards from Escondido High School by a woman who used to drive her to middle school, her father said. Another neighbor reported seeing her about 300 yards from school. Yet Amber never appeared on school surveillance cameras.

Amber, a member of Future Farmers of America, left home with a $200 check to buy a lamb. It was never cashed.

"The circumstances were completely different," Dubois said. "The evidence that they found on Chelsea led them to believe that they needed to find her immediately. There was never, ever any evidence found on Amber."

Children from wealthy families tend to generate more attention, said Finkelhor, partly because the parents seem to be more adept at working with the media and building networks.

Chelsea's parents, Brent and Kelly King, patiently and skillfully worked with the media through their anguish, aided by a volunteer public relations professional. In interviews, they gave Chelsea's life story: the oldest child of long-married parents, straight-A student, French horn player in the youth symphony, avid long-distance runner, tireless volunteer for school and community activities.

Chelsea's friends at Poway High School turned out in droves.

"Right before I broke the news (of the body discovery), they were telling stories about her — funny things she said, silly things she did," said Paula Bunn, a counselor at the Chelsea King Volunteer Center. "You could tell she was very loved by her friends."

Ernest Allen, executive director of the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children, said he was immediately drawn to Amber's case because she did not appear troubled and was so excited to go to school that day to buy her lamb. Still, reporters and TV producers kept asking about speculation that she was a runaway.

"What I hear all the time is, 'It's just a missing kid. Tell me why this one is different,'" Allen said. "The ones that get the attention are the ones that are clear and unequivocal" foul play.

Ironically, it was Chelsea's disappearance that sparked intense interest in finding Amber. Her parents, who are separated, are now besieged by reporters and Escondido police say they are seeking potential links between Amber and Gardner.

"I believe it's going to proceed at a much more accelerated pace now," Dubois said.

A woman reported Thursday night that her daughters told her in May that they found a bag of what looked like human hair, but she didn't make the connection to the search for Amber until Chelsea vanished.
Edit by MB : Add link to post per SuzieQ :  http://www.comcast.net/articles/news-national/20100304/US.Missing.Teen/


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: SuzieQ on March 06, 2010, 02:20:44 PM
Forgot the link.

http://www.comcast.net/articles/news-national/20100304/US.Missing.Teen/


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Shell on March 06, 2010, 03:57:30 PM
According to former district attorney Paul Pfingst, Gardner's parents can't be charged.   ::MonkeyEek:: This is hard for me to swallow, you know your son has his address listed at another address because he is a RSO, but it is okay for him to live at a different address, no it is not  ::MonkeyNoNo:: And thank-you for the map, it puts it into a better perspective the area where both Amber and Chelsea went missing from. And I also don't believe for one minute that the police are out searching Kit Carson Park, because of some little kids finding some hair in a bag months ago, imo, something else bigger is going on.

I agree. They worked through the night and are draining the pond, even though they said they found the bag and either nothing was in there, or nothing of evidentary value..(sorry, I forgot exactly what was said)


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Shell on March 06, 2010, 04:22:15 PM

In the news report showing JAG's arraignment, I looked for signs of scratch marks on his face and arms, and did not see any.

They are doing a search at Kit Carson Park for Amber. Some children found a bag of hair a while back and told their parents and not much was thought of it until after Chelsea went missing and found dead. They located the bag and it did not have an evidentary value. They are continuing to look in the park.

So I just had a thought.... I know a little of people post comments on news stories that attack the family or provide information that is untrue to mislead the search effort. But if the comment about someone seeing a guy matching JAG while hiking on Mount Woodson is true.... I was thinking.... this is VERY close to Kit Carson park where the children saw the bag of hair. Is there anyway that JAG knew he was going to be caught and wanted to go to the place Amber might be to make an attempt to collect an evidence or hide anything before so he would not be connect to both crimes. Maybe he even went to visit that site... I wonder if they ever followed through a checked out Mt. Woodson.

I wonder if there are any reports coming in of people remembering seeing him at Kit Carson Park. There is an elementary school on the edge of that park. Kids walk home through part of that park. It is very overgrown. That park is where kids in the area practice and play all outdoor sports. They are either cutting the brush back now, or they plan to cut it back. They mentioned getting groups of boy scouts and volunteers together to help cut it back.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Shell on March 06, 2010, 04:27:56 PM
Park Features

    * Beautiful walking / hiking trails
    * 5-acre arboretum: The Iris Sankey Magical Garden
    * 3 ponds: Tree Lake, Duck Lake, and Sand Lake
    * Tot lot / playground
    * Shaded picnic areas with tables / barbecues available on a reservation basis
    * Covered picnic shelter available on a reservation basis
    * Open turf areas
    * Lighted youth baseball and softball fields
    * Lighted adult softball fields
    * Lighted soccer fields
    * Lighted tennis courts
    * 3,000 capacity outdoor amphitheater
    * Queen Califia's Magical Circle sculpture garden
    * Eucalyptus Leaf Court public art piece
    * Sports Center complex with pro shop, 22,000 square-foot skate park, 2 full-size covered roller hockey arenas, 1 full-size soccer arena, and 1 "mini" soccer arena
    * Girl Scouts of America Program Center, located at the north end of the park



KIT CARSON PARK
3333 Bear Valley Parkway • Escondido, CA 92025
(760) 839-4691

Open from sunrise to sunset.



Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Shell on March 06, 2010, 05:00:28 PM

Klaas

  ::piggy:: check email please


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: labubske on March 06, 2010, 06:24:14 PM
JOHN ALBERT GARDNER      
1944 - 2008
John Albert Gardner was born May 1, 1944, the son of John and Esta Adams Gardner. He died Sunday, November 2, 2008, at Crawford County Memorial Hospital in Denison, Iowa, at the age of sixty-four.


John was born in Los Angeles, California, and graduated from Hawthorne High School in Hawthorne, California, in 1962. On June 20, 1966, he was united in marriage to Deanna Culver in Las Vegas, Nevada. The couple made their home in southern California and were blessed with the birth of two children, Christie and Cathleen. Their marriage ended in 1971 and John resided in Culver City, where he met Catherine Osborn and was married to her on August 18, 1980, and this union was blessed with the birth of one son, John; and two beautiful step-daughters he considered his own. He then remarried Deanna on September 15, 1990, in Reno, Nevada. The couple settled in the Palmdale and Lancaster area in California until moving to Granbury, Texas in 2005. On April 11, 2007, they moved to Denison.

Music was his passion. In California he was a member of Big Mama & Company where he was the rhythm guitarist and lead vocalist. Other activities he enjoyed included fishing, going to the beach, playing on the computer, collecting stamps and playing tennis. He was especially fond of caring for his five dogs.

He was preceded in death by his parents, a half-sister, Patricia Noel and a half-brother Gayle Murray. Survivors include: his wife Deanna; two daughters: Christie Derksen and her husband, Larry; and Cathleen Pascuzzi and her husband, Tino; and one son, John Gardner Jr; two step-daughters, Sarina Crowe; and Shannon Gorman; fourteen grandchildren; and one sister Barbara Langley and her husband, Tom; other relatives and friends. Memorial services were held at 6 P.M., Wednesday, November 5, 2008 at the Huebner Funeral Home in Denison, Iowa. Pastor Rick Torres officiated the service. Christie Derksen served as vocalist, singing "Amazing Grace". Other service music included "In The Garden". The family invited everyone to join them for fellowship and lunch at the Simple Truths Ministries Church, following the service. The Huebner Funeral Home in Denison was in charge of arrangements.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: klaasend on March 06, 2010, 08:17:02 PM
JOHN ALBERT GARDNER      
1944 - 2008
John Albert Gardner was born May 1, 1944, the son of John and Esta Adams Gardner. He died Sunday, November 2, 2008, at Crawford County Memorial Hospital in Denison, Iowa, at the age of sixty-four.


John was born in Los Angeles, California, and graduated from Hawthorne High School in Hawthorne, California, in 1962. On June 20, 1966, he was united in marriage to Deanna Culver in Las Vegas, Nevada. The couple made their home in southern California and were blessed with the birth of two children, Christie and Cathleen. Their marriage ended in 1971 and John resided in Culver City, where he met Catherine Osborn and was married to her on August 18, 1980, and this union was blessed with the birth of one son, John; and two beautiful step-daughters he considered his own. He then remarried Deanna on September 15, 1990, in Reno, Nevada. The couple settled in the Palmdale and Lancaster area in California until moving to Granbury, Texas in 2005. On April 11, 2007, they moved to Denison.

Music was his passion. In California he was a member of Big Mama & Company where he was the rhythm guitarist and lead vocalist. Other activities he enjoyed included fishing, going to the beach, playing on the computer, collecting stamps and playing tennis. He was especially fond of caring for his five dogs.

He was preceded in death by his parents, a half-sister, Patricia Noel and a half-brother Gayle Murray. Survivors include: his wife Deanna; two daughters: Christie Derksen and her husband, Larry; and Cathleen Pascuzzi and her husband, Tino; and one son, John Gardner Jr; two step-daughters, Sarina Crowe; and Shannon Gorman; fourteen grandchildren; and one sister Barbara Langley and her husband, Tom; other relatives and friends. Memorial services were held at 6 P.M., Wednesday, November 5, 2008 at the Huebner Funeral Home in Denison, Iowa. Pastor Rick Torres officiated the service. Christie Derksen served as vocalist, singing "Amazing Grace". Other service music included "In The Garden". The family invited everyone to join them for fellowship and lunch at the Simple Truths Ministries Church, following the service. The Huebner Funeral Home in Denison was in charge of arrangements.

Thanks!  So John Gardner and Catherine Osborn were married less than 10 years. 


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Shell on March 06, 2010, 08:19:56 PM

Thanks for posting that obit Labubske...  ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: labubske on March 06, 2010, 08:30:21 PM
no problem...it does give some extra info about how everyone  is related...most was already known.  Now, my question is did he attend the funeral?  How long was he there if so?  Did he harm anyone while there?  He seems to have an urge to do these things...I did briefly look around the area and there are three missing girls during that time...but, they don't seem to fit the profile based on their race...but they are in the same age range. 


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: klaasend on March 06, 2010, 08:33:31 PM
This photo of Lake Hodges was emailed to me by someone who's relative goes hiking in the area.  They took the photo for us.  I've marked where Chelsea's body was found.  Thought it would be good to have some prospective with an actual current photo:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub8/LakeHodges.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub8/BodyFound2-1.jpg)



Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: labubske on March 06, 2010, 08:33:53 PM
oh i just noticed that the obituary didn't post the picture with it...when I posted it.  It did include a picture.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: klaasend on March 06, 2010, 08:37:31 PM
oh i just noticed that the obituary didn't post the picture with it...when I posted it.  It did include a picture.

Do you have the obit link?  I'll look for it too.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 06, 2010, 08:47:45 PM
Thank-you for the picture  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: klaasend on March 06, 2010, 08:54:22 PM
I think I have the photo marked correctly.  In any case it's a nice photo of the area so we have an idea how isolated it was.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: labubske on March 06, 2010, 08:58:56 PM
oh i just noticed that the obituary didn't post the picture with it...when I posted it.  It did include a picture.

Do you have the obit link?  I'll look for it too.

Hi, thanks...I thought that I had saved it but guess not.  I found it through Legacy.com...I know that I have it somewhere...but, for some reason my history isn't showing up...I will have to check the settings!  The newspaper website is http://southwestiowanews.com/shared-content/search/index.php?search=go&o=0&q=john+gardner&d1=10-20-2008&d2=11-20-2008&s=relevance&r=Subject%2CAuthor%2CContent&l=20.  Thanks again.  I will keep looking on my computer.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Northern Rose on March 06, 2010, 10:50:30 PM
Woman describes encounter with Gardner at RB park (with video)

RANCHO BERNARDO, Calif. (CBS 8) - John Albert Gardner may have returned to the scene of the crime hours before he was arrested on Sunday. That's according to a new witness who's talking to News 8.

Becky Sangha's chilling account of coming face to face with Chelsea King's accused killer started as she drove into the park. She spotted an inebriated man stumbling up an embankment, who later accosted her along a trail.

"To realize you were that close to someone that evil is something that doesn't sit well inside you," Sangha said.

The Escondido resident was finishing a Sunday afternoon walk along the trail bordering Lake Hodges with her five-year-old daughter and four dogs when she came face to face with Chelsea King's alleged killer.

"I heard the crackling in the bushes first," she said.

She says the man appeared drunk and was dressed in a red shirt and black pants, wet from the waist down as if he'd just come out of the lake. He started to advance toward Sangha and her family.

"His body was kind of forward and he was walking very quickly and directly toward us. It made me uncomfortable. I got alarmed," she said.

The man came as close as 10 or 15 feet as Sangha gathered her daughter and dogs and hurried away, she said.

"I kept eye contact with him the whole time. He finally sat down, but he kept watching us," she said."I don't know what his intentions were that day."

But her instincts were confirmed that night when she saw on the news that John Gardner had been arrested for Chelsea King's murder.

"I jumped out of bed and I said that's the guy, that is the guy who made me feel so uncomfortable. That's him," she said.

Sangha contacted authorities, and on Monday took search teams to the locations she'd spotted Gardner. The next day Chelsea's body was discovered near the lake in a shallow grave.

"It made me feel sick, especially having my daughter with me that day. My gut reaction was to get her out of bed and keep her close to me," Sangha said.

Authorities told Sangha she did two things that could potentially have saved her life - the fact she made and maintained eye contact and that that she was accompanied by her dogs.

Sangha says she's dedicated to making public parks safe for everybody to enjoy.

As part of the effort to raise awareness about park safety, a special event called "Finish Chelsea's Run - Take Back the Parks" is scheduled at Lake Hodges on Saturday, March 20 at 9 a.m.

http://www.cbs8.com/Global/story.asp?S=12093983


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: mizjay on March 06, 2010, 11:55:46 PM
Wow  that woman was lucky that she had the dogs with her.. and she was brave to keep the eye contact

After reading so much on the other thread, guess being stumbling down drunk wouldn't raise any red flags in the household, in fact just the opposite, it would prolly get him a high five   ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 07, 2010, 12:40:27 PM
Wow  that woman was lucky that she had the dogs with her.. and she was brave to keep the eye contact

After reading so much on the other thread, guess being stumbling down drunk wouldn't raise any red flags in the household, in fact just the opposite, it would prolly get him a high five   ::MonkeyMad::
Wow, and that would explain why he was caked in some mud when arrested.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Missiontoconvict on March 07, 2010, 01:01:13 PM
Our local news covered the search going on at Kit Carson Park, they said something about them draining a pond.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: cookie on March 07, 2010, 02:31:42 PM
that woman was right to trust her instincts!



Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: ChiChi on March 07, 2010, 08:12:04 PM
that woman was right to trust her instincts!

 

I wonder what kind of dogs she has... a couple of mine would have like to take a bite out someone approaching me, let alone quickly approaching... She is brave, I can only hope I could do the same.  Probably saved their lives...


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 07, 2010, 08:49:34 PM
O/T....Remains of Amber Dubois found in Pala
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/mar/07/bn07amberpresser/
Investigators have been working to determine if John Albert Gardner III, a 30-year-old registered sex offender who was arrested in Chelsea’s slaying, may have also been connected to Amber’s disappearance. Gardner was living about two miles away from the area where Amber vanished....


Thanks billb.  It is a sad outcome.  However ... I am thankful that Amber's family is being afforded a measure of closure.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet

++++++

CNN LARRY KING LIVE
Interview with Chelsea King's Parents
Aired March 4, 2010 - 21:00   ET


KELLY KING, CHELSEA KING'S MOTHER: I mean how many times do our daughters need to be raped before we put these monsters behind bars forever?

I just don't -- I don't get it. Change has to be made. And I know that there are people out there that are -- that are trying to, you know, get this change in place. And Brent and I are committed for the rest of our lives to be a part of that.

LARRY KING, HOST: What change do you want, Brent?

BRENT KING, CHELSEA KING'S FATHER: I don't want people that ever have any kind of one strike on them to have more than one strike on them. They shouldn't be allowed to have a second strike.

L. KING: In other words, once you are convicted of a case where you were convicted of being a predator, you should be put away for life?  What are your thoughts?

B. KING: Larry, I don't understand why somebody who's done what this person's done in the past should have the exact same freedoms that I have. I don't understand that.

L. KING: And often, to Brent and Kelly King, prosecutors will ask the relatives of the victim what their thoughts are about a death penalty. They don't have to abide by them, but they do get input.  What do you want to happen if convicted, Kelly?

K. KING: I think the death penalty is a very appropriate punishment for this -- for this case.

L. KING: Brent?

B. KING: Yes. I'm in 100 percent agreement with my wife.

More:
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1003/04/lkl.01.html




Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: mymonkey on March 07, 2010, 10:39:04 PM

I just saw a close up of Jag in his hearing...he does have a scratch on the left side of his face right above his lip. So I am sure Chelsea put up a fight...Bless her  ::MonkeyAngel::::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: mizjay on March 08, 2010, 01:01:34 AM

I just saw a close up of Jag in his hearing...he does have a scratch on the left side of his face right above his lip. So I am sure Chelsea put up a fight...Bless her  ::MonkeyAngel::::MonkeyAngel::
Mymonkey, good eye!  Oddly that makes smile just a little, not at all that she was struggling but that she wasn't going to be easy. Agree with you..Bless her


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: klaasend on March 08, 2010, 11:12:03 AM
I just posted this in the Amber thread and thought I should post it here as well:

I just thought of something, JAG worked construction.  Pala Casino has had ongoing contruction and expansion for years.  The casino is near where Amber was found:

http://www.nctimes.com/business/article_2b709097-896b-5fe1-a002-edd51e50b04f.html


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Northern Rose on March 08, 2010, 03:40:15 PM
New Development: John Gardner Murder Case Back in Court Today

SAN DIEGO - An unexpected development arose Monday in the Chelsea King murder case.

A previously unannounced court hearing is scheduled for 2:00 for John Gardner, the man arrested on suspicion of Chelsea's rape and murder.

The hearing as listed as a "Felony Other Motion Hearing."  The District Attorney's office would not comment on the hearing.


MORE...

http://www.sandiego6.com/news/local/story/Chelsea-King-missing-Poway-Rancho-Bernardo-jogging/zTLAKar0XUGyf78trbfHvg.cspx


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: mymonkey on March 08, 2010, 04:09:09 PM

I just saw a close up of Jag in his hearing...he does have a scratch on the left side of his face right above his lip. So I am sure Chelsea put up a fight...Bless her  ::MonkeyAngel::::MonkeyAngel::
Mymonkey, good eye!  Oddly that makes smile just a little, not at all that she was struggling but that she wasn't going to be easy. Agree with you..Bless her

Thank you ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Northern Rose on March 08, 2010, 04:14:05 PM

I just saw a close up of Jag in his hearing...he does have a scratch on the left side of his face right above his lip. So I am sure Chelsea put up a fight...Bless her  ::MonkeyAngel::::MonkeyAngel::
Mymonkey, good eye!  Oddly that makes smile just a little, not at all that she was struggling but that she wasn't going to be easy. Agree with you..Bless her

Thank you ::MonkeyKiss::

He looks to have a shiner as well. I bet Chelsea fought like he77.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Northern Rose on March 08, 2010, 04:30:21 PM
from twitter:

News 8's Angie Lee spoke to a John Gardner family member who says that family is "shocked and surprised by the charges".


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Nut44x4 on March 08, 2010, 04:53:45 PM
wtf?? Shocked and surprised?? Why??? Once a freak---always a freak.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 08, 2010, 04:57:01 PM
wtf?? Shocked and surprised?? Why??? Once a freak---always a freak.
His mom is a mental health nurse, WTH, like she would be shocked by this, not buying it  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Northern Rose on March 08, 2010, 05:00:46 PM
wtf?? Shocked and surprised?? Why??? Once a freak---always a freak.

Guess they were  too busy getting her On On to notice. 


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: bananas on March 08, 2010, 05:06:29 PM
wtf?? Shocked and surprised?? Why??? Once a freak---always a freak.

Guess they were  too busy getting her On On to notice. 

Or the down downs.... geesh.... I really don't think she was "shocked".


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: klaasend on March 08, 2010, 05:42:13 PM
In case it hasn't been posted here - they have linked him to Amber's murder now as well.

http://www.sandiego6.com/news/local/story/Amber-Dubois-Escondido-Chelsea-King-Gardner/3WSDlxSD5UmLdlJnvhelsA.cspx


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: mizjay on March 08, 2010, 05:48:17 PM
wtf?? Shocked and surprised?? Why??? Once a freak---always a freak.
His mom is a mental health nurse, WTH, like she would be shocked by this, not buying it  ::MonkeyNoNo::
Nope, not buying that for a minute either.
Is it ever too much to expect just once from one of these 'shocked' family members to convey some sympathy and a bit of humility? Are they so damned concerned by the criminal's innocent plea that they can't even say " if he did this horrible thing", I think lawyers insist that nobody ever utter any comment that could be taken that they have any doubt whatsoever. Even when all the evidence in the world points at somebody, still we get the tired old " we're shocked". GRRR


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: akmom on March 08, 2010, 06:40:39 PM
wtf?? Shocked and surprised?? Why??? Once a freak---always a freak.
His mom is a mental health nurse, WTH, like she would be shocked by this, not buying it  ::MonkeyNoNo::

I had to step away last night after they announced that Amber had been found.  I am sick with disgust that this miserable piece of garbage was allowed to walk among our innocents.  You damn well better bet that his mom knew what he was capable of.  I give him no quarter.  He does not deserve to be alive.  I have no words to describe what I feel should be done to him.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Tracygirl on March 08, 2010, 06:50:23 PM
from twitter:

News 8's Angie Lee spoke to a John Gardner family member who says that family is "shocked and surprised by the charges".

Not sure who the family member is, but if it was anyone that is a part of this life then come on already, a surprise?  If it was his mother, well lady you can just leave your license at the door because apparently you suck as what you do. What a diservice she is to not only her son but to the mental health field.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: klaasend on March 08, 2010, 06:57:07 PM
NEW FRONT PAGE POST:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=7303.0

John Albert Gardner III now linked to the Murder of Amber DuBois after being Charged with the Rape and Murder of Chelsea King


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: mizjay on March 08, 2010, 06:58:29 PM
from twitter:

News 8's Angie Lee spoke to a John Gardner family member who says that family is "shocked and surprised by the charges".

Not sure who the family member is, but if it was anyone that is a part of this life then come on already, a surprise?  If it was his mother, well lady you can just leave your license at the door because apparently you suck as what you do. What a diservice she is to not only her son but to the mental health field.
You're right TG.  It's not as if he has been away from the family, he has been within a very few miles of her since his release, so it's fair to say that he was in and around her frequently when he wasn't actually residing with her. If she didn't pick up on his behavior then IMO she is not very good at being a psychiatric RN, and it's not proven what kind of doctor KO is, but I'd be willing to bet he was either a psychologist or had to do with that field 


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: labubske on March 08, 2010, 07:40:37 PM
"In one of the u-tube's they were initiating a 10 year old girl....are we truly to believe that nothing went on after that?  There was only one comment left by her brother who said I can't believe you would do this to my sister..your daughter." --Gypsy DD

Has anyone considered JAG not being the only one involved?  I mean overall it seems like he is...but, it makes me wonder.  And also, with the comment about the Rim of the World group that duct taped and raped girls in the forest...stating it was around JAG's time there...maybe something sick has been going on...well, besides what we know!  Just a thought. 


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: klaasend on March 08, 2010, 07:52:47 PM
"In one of the u-tube's they were initiating a 10 year old girl....are we truly to believe that nothing went on after that?  There was only one comment left by her brother who said I can't believe you would do this to my sister..your daughter." --Gypsy DD

Has anyone considered JAG not being the only one involved?  I mean overall it seems like he is...but, it makes me wonder.  And also, with the comment about the Rim of the World group that duct taped and raped girls in the forest...stating it was around JAG's time there...maybe something sick has been going on...well, besides what we know!  Just a thought. 

If you are going to post the above comment from Gypsy DD please post a link back to where you got it or AT LEAST tell us where the quote came from.  Otherwise it's 100% not worth even reading unless we can follow the source.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: labubske on March 08, 2010, 08:05:53 PM
"In one of the u-tube's they were initiating a 10 year old girl....are we truly to believe that nothing went on after that?  There was only one comment left by her brother who said I can't believe you would do this to my sister..your daughter." --Gypsy DD

Has anyone considered JAG not being the only one involved?  I mean overall it seems like he is...but, it makes me wonder.  And also, with the comment about the Rim of the World group that duct taped and raped girls in the forest...stating it was around JAG's time there...maybe something sick has been going on...well, besides what we know!  Just a thought. 

If you are going to post the above comment from Gypsy DD please post a link back to where you got it or AT LEAST tell us where the quote came from.  Otherwise it's 100% not worth even reading unless we can follow the source.

Okay, makes sense...I was trying to quote only a certain section of it.   


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: labubske on March 08, 2010, 08:19:27 PM
Just finished reading this whole thread.

I have to say that you Monkeys did an amazing job of finding this group of sex crazed adults.

Put me in the vote as one who thinks this Hash Humpers group and particularly JAG's mother's and O'Reilly's involvement lead to his escalated behavior.  His parents are in their home and others acting out their sexual fantasies, others sexual fantasies, drunk and disorderly.  This certainly had to add to his sickness and his behavior. 

Porn has been found with every known serial rapist and serial murders.  It is not a non victim crime as some would have you believe.  It does something to one's mind , especially if you are a child and it involves either your participation or watching. 

I would say from the pics you were able to capture and the little left at these sites that this would be like living in a porn environment constantly.  Where people feel free to act out their fantasies with whomever or whatever they please..and because they call themselves adults, are runners and drunks they can say this is okay...it doesn't hurt anyone.  Now we will see it has hurt a boat load of people..themselves as well as all the young girls that JAG may have preyed upon that haven't come forward. Not to mention Chelsea and now possibly Amber.

In one of the u-tube's they were initiating a 10 year old girl....are we truly to believe that nothing went on after that?  There was only one comment left by her brother who said I can't believe you would do this to my sister..your daughter.  They are grooming them at a very young age it would seem.

They wouldn't be taking these sites down if they knew they did not do anything wrong..they are acting ashamed to have others look at them.  Shame comes when you know what you are doing is wrong.

If this women (JAGS MOM) does not lose her job and license over this then something is very wrong in the State of California.  You do not subject a person like JAG to a life of booze and sex and expect that he will be able to overcome his illness.  Or perhaps she didn't think raping was an illness..just fun gone a little overboard.  I know she would have had to stop this behavior herself inorder to give him a healthy perspective toward women and sexual behavior.  I think he was acting out his hatred of his mother and her disorderly life that he had obsevered.  A man can not have respect for a woman like that if she is his mother.

I am not a prude..but this behavior is not normal adult behavior...these people do need to check themselves into  the Betty Ford Clinic ASAP.

Gypsy... thank you for summing this up so well.  Yes, I do believe the things JAG has been exposed to growing up could contribute to this mental health problems.

I'm not sure yet how to quote from someone without posting the entire section...but, I am redoing it...so that it makes more sense!  I will figure it all out.  Also, I meant to post it in another area and so it makes A LOT less sense here...sorry.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Northern Rose on March 08, 2010, 08:20:02 PM
Judge orders release of Gardner probation report
The accused killer's lawyers have until Wednesday to appeal

 Superior Court judge on Monday ordered the release of a decade-old probation report generated after John Albert Gardner III was convicted of molesting a 13-year-old girl in Rancho Bernardo.

The judge gave Gardner's defense lawyers until Wednesday morning to appeal the court's decision.

During a hearing requested by The San Diego Union-Tribune and news partner 10News, Judge David Danielsen said he had to weigh the public's right to know against the defendant's right to a fair trial.

Gardner, 30, is accused in the death of 17-year-old Chelsea King of Poway, who went missing Feb. 25 after she went for a jog at Rancho Bernardo Community Park. Her body was found near Lake Hodges on March 2.

The case has attracted widespread attention, both locally and nationally.

Danielsen noted on Monday that state law allows for the release of the previously sealed document, after the defendant has been arrested again. But the judge noted that some personal data such as addresses, telephone numbers and information that would identify the victim in the 2000 case would be redacted.

"Most of these facts have already been disclosed," Danielsen said of the information in the document, noting that the media had widely reported information from sentencing documents.

Gardner was convicted of committing a forcible lewd act on a child and false imprisonment, stemming from a March 2000 incident involving a neighbor girl at his mother's Rancho Bernardo home. The girl said he repeatedly punched her in the face and touched her private parts.

Defense attorneys Mel Epley and Michael Popkins, the deputy public defenders handling the Chelsea King murder case, told the judge they wanted time to consider whether to file a writ with the 4th District Court of Appeal, in an effort to keep the documents under seal.

The judge gave them until Wednesday morning.

Epley told the judge he also wanted the judge to consider imposing a gag order on all parties related to the case, particularly all branches of law enforcement, preventing them from sharing details of the investigation.

The judge declined to rule on the order Monday, saying he need more information before he could consider it.

Gardner is due back in court Tuesday morning for a status conference. The defense attorney indicated he wanted Danielsen to consider permanently assigning the case to another judge.

Gardner, a registered sex offender, faces a murder charge and a special-circumstance allegation of murder during a rape or attempted rape. The allegation makes him eligible for the death penalty, but prosecutors have not announced whether they will seek his execution or life without parole, if convicted.

He is also charged with assault with intent to commit rape, stemming from a Dec. 27 attack on a female jogger in the same Rancho Bernardo park.

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/mar/08/judge-orders-release-gardner-probation-report/


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: labubske on March 08, 2010, 08:22:01 PM
OMG!  It still isn't right!  Sorry...well, the last post does show where I got my information from.  Sorry.  I really don't know what happened.   :2brickwall: :2brickwall:


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Missiontoconvict on March 08, 2010, 09:33:11 PM
I am reading the few HashTrash Newsletters I saved from the HumpinHash website.  The Dec 27th, 2009 issue is rather interesting, it seems a fellow hasher committed suicide and on that morning 2 hashers reported there was a girl attacked in the hills where they would be running. There is also reference about porn in another issue.  Disturbing to say the least.

Klaas not sure how you would like me to post these, if at all - perhaps I can email them to you and you can take it from there.  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: cookie on March 08, 2010, 09:51:14 PM
OMG!  It still isn't right!  Sorry...well, the last post does show where I got my information from.  Sorry.  I really don't know what happened.   :2brickwall: :2brickwall:

what I do when trying to emphasize a portion of someone's post without stacking the whole post/article is....I say, "snipped from so and so's previous quote/post".....then I copy and paste the part that I want to speak about...maybe someone else has a better way of doing it, but that is how I do it..seems to be ok and works out...to me it is better than re quoting and re stacking the whole post, especially if it is a really long article/post...take care....


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Missiontoconvict on March 08, 2010, 09:52:13 PM
oh yikes that did not work at all - don't even try to make sense of that........Klaas can you remove my reply to labubske?  Labubske head to the test area and practice I think you will figure it out http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=114.0  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: labubske on March 08, 2010, 09:54:20 PM
thank you Missiontoconvict...that helps so much! 


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: cookie on March 08, 2010, 09:54:24 PM
oh yikes that did not work at all - don't even try to make sense of that........Klaas can you remove my reply to labubske?  Labubske head to the test area and practice I think you will figure it out http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=114.0  ::MonkeyCool::

good that you at least tried to explain it  Mission!  ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: labubske on March 08, 2010, 09:57:30 PM
thanks cookie.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: cookie on March 08, 2010, 09:59:31 PM
thanks cookie.

no problem!  ::HelloKitty::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Missiontoconvict on March 08, 2010, 10:01:40 PM
Muffy can you help clean up my mess?  ::MonkeyAngel::

 ::monkeydust::  Okay, done.  MuffyBee


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: labubske on March 08, 2010, 11:06:50 PM
http://edumacation.com/HashLoveOnTheRun   By now we all probably have a good idea about what goes on during these runs...here is a more in depth explanation from hashers themselves.  Thought you may want to read it.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: mizjay on March 09, 2010, 12:49:01 AM
http://edumacation.com/HashLoveOnTheRun   By now we all probably have a good idea about what goes on during these runs...here is a more in depth explanation from hashers themselves.  Thought you may want to read it.

Thanks for the article Labubske.  Sure shows that the members come from all walks of life. Gives a twist on Lou Reed's song Take a Walk on The Wild Side (if you're old enough to remember it lol!)


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: klaasend on March 09, 2010, 01:33:54 AM
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub8/JAGAmberChelsea.jpg)

Police: Man Eyed in 2nd Calif. Teen Murder

Tuesday , March 09, 2010

ESCONDIDO, Calif. —
A registered sex offender charged with murdering a teen girl last month is a focus of the investigation into the death of a 14-year-old girl whose remains were found more than a year after she disappeared near her school, police said Monday.

Police said they are eyeing John Albert Gardner III in the death of Amber Dubois, whose bones were found Saturday in a remote area of the Pala Indian Reservation.

A police statement did not elaborate on the investigation and only said the scene was still being processed. Police Lt. Craig Carter did not immediately respond to a phone message seeking further details.

FBI teams worked under rainy skies during their search of the mountainous area of dense shrubs and rocks.

Gardner, 30, pleaded not guilty last week to murdering and raping or attempting to rape 17-year-old Chelsea King of Poway and attempting to rape another woman in December in the same park where King disappeared.

His public defender, Michael Popkins, did not respond to a phone message.

Gardner was expected to make his second court appearance Tuesday in the potential death penalty case.

Police have not revealed how they learned the location of Amber's remains, saying it was part of the ongoing investigation. Amber's mother, Carrie McGonigle, also declined to say what led authorities to the remains.

However, she said she was grateful for the sense of closure after the long hunt for her daughter.

"I'm managing," McGonigle said in a brief interview. "It was a roller coaster the last year and now we have closure, which is more than a lot of parents have."

Amber disappeared Feb. 13, 2009, near Escondido High School, about 10 miles north of the site where King vanished Feb. 25. A body presumed to be Chelsea was found March 2 in a shallow, lakeside grave, but authorities have said they would not make an official identification until Gardner's preliminary hearing.

At a candlelight vigil Monday night in memory of Amber, McGonigle and Dubois called for better laws to protect children from predators.

"We as parents in the community need to make a change for the protection of our children, Dubois told the more than 1,000 mourners who gathered near the site where Amber vanished.

"I still see a lot of kids walking by themselves and it scares me," McGonigle said.

Escondido High School Principal Rich Watkins called for families to re-evaluate their daily routines and take other measures to protect children.

"Let's work together to make sure we don't have to meet like this again," Watkins said

Brent and Kelly King shared their grief with Amber's family.

"We have spoken with the Dubois family and our hearts go out to them in this time of deep sadness," the Kings said in a statement. "We share their indescribable grief for the loss of Amber's precious young life."

Friends and classmates put candles, cards, flowers and balloons outside Escondido High School, near the spot where Amber was last seen at 7:10 a.m. that February morning. The school held a moment of silence in her memory. Crisis counselors were on hand to help students deal with their grief.

"They'll be here as long as it takes to make sure we get through this time," Principal Rich Watkins said.

Jeff Fidel skipped work as an investment adviser to stay home with his daughter Jade, who was Amber's best friend. Jade Fidel was watching television Sunday when Escondido Police Chief Jim Maher announced Amber's remains were positively identified through dental records.

"All I heard was a blood-curdling scream," Jeff Fidel recalled. "My wife and I came running in ... It's been rough."

Maher spoke at the Monday night vigil, vowing to work toward a successful prosecution of Amber's killer. "If not closure, we can certainly get justice," Maher said.

Amber, a member of Future Farmers of America, had left home with a $200 check to buy a lamb. It was never cashed, fueling suspicion of foul play.

Paul Levikow, a spokesman for the district attorney's office, said the brief hearing Tuesday would address procedural issues and could involve delaying the preliminary hearing now set for March 19. He declined to comment on the investigation into Amber's death.

Gardner was registered as a sex offender in Escondido, a north San Diego suburb, from January 2008 to January 2010, with some gaps, police said.

He served five years of a six-year prison term for molesting a 13-year-old neighbor in San Diego in 2000. He completed parole in September 2008.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Bearlyhere on March 09, 2010, 07:24:28 AM
It is interesting he was in the SED program at school yet was mainstreamed. normally these kids are kept in a contained classroom - which means they do not go to lunch, class, recess or bathroom with the other kids. SED is a program for kids that are VERY disturbed. The classrooms often have a "quite room" which is basically a cell where they lock the kids when they get out of hand. Almost none of them are mainstreamed and most are not even allowed to participate in extracurriculars. It is a very extreme measure to be classified as SED. It requires a diagnosis from a medical doctor and most of the time a psychiatrist. These kids often do not graduate and are often institutionalized later in life - either in a psychiatric institution or a jail.

In our district these diagnosis also include children with anxiety disorder.  They are often mainstreamed unless school is too overwhelming for them.  They often go into the mainstream when their anxiety issues are resolved with therapy and meds.  It is illegal to lock kids in a "cell" when they get out of hand.

 ::MonkeyEek::




Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Bearlyhere on March 09, 2010, 07:42:04 AM

IDEA 2004 Disability Categories

Regulations: Part 300  / A  / 300.8  / c

(c) Definitions of disability terms. The terms used in this definition of a child with a disability are defined as follows:


<snip>

 (4)

(i) Emotional disturbance means a condition exhibiting one or more of the following characteristics over a long period of time and to a marked degree that adversely affects a child's educational performance:

(A) An inability to learn that cannot be explained by intellectual, sensory, or health factors.

(B) An inability to build or maintain satisfactory interpersonal relationships with peers and teachers.

(C) Inappropriate types of behavior or feelings under normal circumstances.

(D) A general pervasive mood of unhappiness or depression.

(E) A tendency to develop physical symptoms or fears associated with personal or school problems.

(ii) Emotional disturbance includes schizophrenia. The term does not apply to children who are socially maladjusted, unless it is determined that they have an emotional disturbance under paragraph (c)(4)(i) of this section.

http://idea.ed.gov/explore/view/p/,root,regs,300,A,300%252E8,c,

 (http://idea.ed.gov/explore/view/p/,root,regs,300,A,300%252E8,c,)

http://learningdisabilities.about.com/od/publicschoolprograms/a/leastrestrictiv.htm

Least Restrictive Environment - What is the Least Restrictive Environment?
Least Restrictive Environment - Choosing Placement in the LRE


What is the Least Restrictive Environment?

The Individuals with Disabilities Education Act (IDEA) requires that all children with disabilities must be educated in the least restrictive environment (LRE) that is appropriate for them. The spirit of this requirement is to ensure that children are not unnecessarily removed from the regular classroom or isolated from other non-disabled children of their age. LRE decisions are made based on children's learning needs and vary from child to child. IDEA also requires that schools provide a full continuum of services ranging from regular classrooms with support to special classes, and special school placements as needed.
*************

This is the law and it pertains to a child's diagnosis and how it affects the way they learn.  It would be contraindicated to have a lock up cell in this kind of environment where children have anxiety disorder, depression, have been abused, etc.  These children are also guaranteed by law a positive behavioral support program if needed where their behavior is monitored.



Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: klaasend on March 09, 2010, 09:34:37 AM
http://www.10news.com/news/22783378/detail.html

John Gardner To Appear In Court Today
Status Conference Scheduled For John Gardner


POSTED: 4:02 am PST March 9, 2010
SAN DIEGO -- A registered sex offender who has been charged in the killing of 17-year-old Chelsea King and is the focus of an investigation into the death of 14-year-old Amber Dubois is scheduled to be in court Tuesday for a status conference.

John Albert Gardner III, 30, is charged with murder in the death of King, who disappeared Feb. 25 while running behind Rancho Bernardo Community Park. Her body was found five days later in a shallow grave near a tributary of Lake Hodges.

The charges against Gardner include a sentencing-enhancing allegation of murder during the commission of a rape or attempted rape. He could face the death penalty if convicted.

A decision on what penalty Gardner will face will be determined after a preliminary hearing, which is set for March 18 and is intended to help a judge determine if the evidence warrants ordering him to stand trial.

Gardner is also charged with sexually assaulting a woman in the same park Dec. 27.

Additionally, authorities in Escondido have said Gardner is the focus of their investigation into the disappearance and murder of Dubois, whose skeletal remains were found Saturday in Pala. Gardner has not been charged in Dubois' death.

The defendant was in court Monday after attorneys from the San Diego Union-Tribune asked a judge to unseal a probation report prepared for the defendant's 2000 sentencing for molesting a 13-year-old girl in the same area.

Judge David Danielsen ordered the report unsealed but suspended the order until Wednesday morning in case Gardner's attorneys wanted to appeal to his ruling.

Danielsen said he had to weigh the public's right to access court records versus the "very significant" right of the defendant to get a fair trial.

The judge said most, if not all, of the facts contained in the 2000 probation report have been disclosed already.

The report would normally be sealed, but if a person is charged with a subsequent crime, the law allows for it to be unsealed, the judge said.

In the 2000 case, the 13-year-old victim said Gardner repeatedly punched her in the face and fondled her at his mother's townhouse, which is about a mile from Rancho Bernardo Community Park.

Gardner subsequently pleaded guilty, was sentenced to six years in prison and was released in 2005. He was on probation until 2008 and registered as a sex offender using his grandmother's Lake Elsinore address, but he reportedly had been staying with his mother lately.

Defense attorney Mel Epley said his client was mentioned by authorities in connection with the the Dubois investigation and urged Danielsen to order law enforcement personnel, prosecutors, defense attorneys and court officials not to make any comment on the pending case. Danielsen said it wouldn't be appropriate for officials to comment.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: klaasend on March 09, 2010, 11:33:34 AM
The hearing is going to be in about an hour at 9:30am:

http://www.10news.com/index.html

I probably won't be able to watch/listen


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 09, 2010, 12:11:48 PM
The hearing is going to be in about an hour at 9:30am:

http://www.10news.com/index.html

I probably won't be able to watch/listen
Thank-you


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Northern Rose on March 09, 2010, 12:47:26 PM
Preliminary hearing set for August 4th for John Gardner.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 09, 2010, 12:49:07 PM
Preliminary hearing set for August 4th for John Gardner.
Thanks, was it not set for the end of March? Figures if it was changed.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Northern Rose on March 09, 2010, 12:58:50 PM
twitter:

knx1070: BREAKING: Gag order placed on all legal proceedings surrounding Chelsea King murder suspect John Gardner
less than a minute ago from web


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 09, 2010, 01:04:36 PM
twitter:

knx1070: BREAKING: Gag order placed on all legal proceedings surrounding Chelsea King murder suspect John Gardner
less than a minute ago from web
Thanks, that is a good thing.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Northern Rose on March 09, 2010, 01:05:06 PM
His lawyers wanted the prelimary hearing in Sept.  Prosection said they wanted July, Judge set it for Aug 4. 

His lawyers requested a protective order.  Judge signed it to seal the case so the public does not hear details.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 09, 2010, 01:09:03 PM
Thanks, even with the gag order things will slip through the cracks.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Northern Rose on March 09, 2010, 01:32:00 PM
Hearing pushed back in California teen murder case

SAN DIEGO — A San Diego judge has postponed the preliminary hearing for a sex offender accused of murdering 17-year-old Chelsea King.

Superior Court Judge David J. Danielsen on Tuesday rescheduled the hearing from March 18 to Aug. 4.

The defense wanted a September date, and the prosecution sought a hearing by July.

Defendant John Albert Gardner III spoke only to acknowledge that he waived his right to speedy proceedings.

King vanished Feb. 25 and her presumed body was found March 2 in a grave in a park north of San Diego. The case against Gardner also alleges he raped or tried to rape King.

Gardner is also under investigation in the death of 14-year-old Amber Dubois, whose remains were found Saturday 10 miles from the site where King disappeared.



http://www.bostonherald.com/news/national/west/view/20100309hearing_pushed_back_in_california_teen_murder_case/srvc=home&position=recent


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: cw618 on March 09, 2010, 03:07:05 PM
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/mar/09/new-hearing-date-set-and-gag-order-issued-chelsea-/

New hearing date, gag order set in Chelsea King case
By Dana Littlefield, UNION-TRIBUNE STAFF WRITER

Tuesday, March 9, 2010 at 11:12 a.m.

A preliminary hearing for John Albert Gardner III, a convicted sex offender accused of raping and killing Poway teenager Chelsea King, has been scheduled for Aug. 4.

Gardner, 30, of Lake Elsinore, appeared in court Tuesday morning for a brief status conference. He faces a murder charge in connection with the 17-year-old, who disappeared from a Rancho Bernardo park on Feb. 25.

Because of a special-circumstance allegation of murder during a rape, Gardner is eligible for the death penalty.

San Diego Superior Court Judge David Danielsen also issued a gag order in the case. It prohibits law enforcement and attorneys from releasing any information or opinion concerning the trial, or evidence that may be offered or on ongoing investigations related to Gardner.

The judge scheduled the preliminary hearing for August after hearing from attorneys who said they needed several months to prepare for the case. A preliminary hearing is typically the prosecution’s first opportunity to present evidence in a case in support of the charges.

A judge determines whether there is enough evidence to order a trial.

Defense attorneys Mel Epley and Michael Popkins said Tuesday that they had not yet received police reports and other relevant documents in the case. Epley had asked for the hearing to be set in September.

Prosecutor Kristen Spieler had asked for June.

“Four months is more than adequate to prepare for preliminary hearing,” Spieler said.

Danielsen, who works in a department that doesn’t handle trials, said he would wait until after the hearing to permanently assign the case to a judge.

Prosecutors have not yet determined whether they will seek the death penalty or life in prison without parole if Gardner is convicted.

He is also charged with assault with intent to commit rape in connection with a Dec. 27 attack on a female jogger in Rancho Bernardo.

Escondido police have said Gardner remains the focus of the investigation into the death of 14-year-old Amber Dubois, whose remains were found Saturday in a hillside in Pala after a 13-month search.

Outside the courthouse, Amber’s father Moe Dubois declined to comment about the ongoing investigation. He thanked the public and the local media for focusing their attention on Amber and Chelsea, but urged them to focus some of the spotlight on others who remain missing.

“There are many other children in the area who do need your help and do need your support,” Dubois said.

Dana Littlefield: (619) 542-4590; dana.littlefield@uniontrib.com
---------------------------------------------

http://www.signonsandiego.com/two-stolen-lives/

Stolen Lives: Amber Dubois and Chelsea King


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Northern Rose on March 09, 2010, 03:59:59 PM
New details emerge on accused killer Gardner
He wanted to be a math teacher, worked at Santa's Village and says his father abused him

New details about accused murderer John Albert Gardner III and his 2000 molestation of a young girl emerged with the court-ordered release of his probation report Tuesday, along with insights into his state of mind and upbringing.

It describes Gardner as a high school graduate with a 3.2 GPA and a relatively high IQ who didn’t get along well with his parents and claimed to have taken 18 different medications. It says he worked a variety of jobs, including as a seasonal lifeguard and ride operator at a now-defunct amusement park called Santa’s Village.

He aspired to be a math teacher or join law enforcement or the military, but realized before he was sentenced in his 2000 molestation that those dreams were gone.

The report was released in response to a petition from The San Diego Union-Tribune and its news partner, KGTV Channel 10.

Gardner, who appeared in court Tuesday for a status conference, is accused of raping and killing Poway teenager Chelsea King, who went missing on a run on Feb. 25 in Rancho Bernardo. He is also the focus of an investigation in the death of Escondido teenager Amber Dubois, whose body was recovered Saturday after she went missing 13 months ago.

The report says he was born and lived in Culver City until age 2, and lived in Palmdale until age 6. His parents divorced when he was 5, and then he moved to the Los Angeles area, Redlands and Running Springs in the San Bernardino Mountains. He lived there until he was 18, when his mother moved to San Diego. He said he moved there, too, in 1998 and lived with his mother.

Gardner was 21 when he was sentenced to six years in prison for assaulting a 13-year-old in his mother’s home in 2000.

Gardner brought the girl to his home before school on March 16, 2000, and began giving her a massage as they were watching a movie. His advances became more physical and occurred on the floor, on the couch, upstairs in his bedroom and again on the couch, where he hit her repeatedly in the head.

At one point, the report says, he asked if he was scaring her. Before she hurried to a neighbor’s house wearing one shoe and with her pants unzipped, the report says, “the defendant hugged her when it was over and said that he was sorry; that he didn’t know what he had been thinking.”

Gardner’s probation report notes that Gardner’s uncle, stepfather and father “are all alcoholics,” and that his father spanked him with a belt and Gardner “felt that he went over the line to abusiveness.”


Gardner also said his relationship with his mother “is somewhat strained at times because they share a small apartment and get on each other’s nerves.”

Gardner began working at age 15 or 16 with his stepfather in construction on an off-and-on basis. After that, he worked as a lifeguard for one season at a the Agua Fria resort in the San Bernardino Mountains and as a rider operator for about four months at Santa’s Village until that amusement park went out of business and closed down.

He later worked at an In-N-Out Burger in Los Angeles for three to six months and after moving to San Diego in 1998, worked for about a year and a half at Big 5 Sporting Goods, as previously reported.

As a child, it says, Gardner suffered from attention deficit hyperactivity disorder and took at various times Ritalin, Sylert, Zoloft, Paxil, Tegretol, Mellaril, Impripramine and Wellbutrin. It says he stopped taking medication for the condition as a teenager.

In the report, Dr. Matthew Carroll, a psychiatrist evaluating Gardner for the county, casts doubt on Gardner’s claim he took so many medications.

“If this were true, then the person would be severely mentally ill (which the defendant is not) or, there is a serious behavior problem,” the report says.

Carroll is said in the probation report to have considered a diagnosis of pedophilia but found Gardner has not been interested in pre-pubescent children.

Because Gardner denied ever having sexually touched any underage girls, Carroll determined that Gardner would not likely be receptive to treatment, the document says.

“The fact that the defendant takes no responsibility whatsoever for his actions makes him an extremely poor candidate for any sexual offender treatment,” Carroll wrote. “There are sex offender treatment programs available in the community, however, the success rate for these tends to be low.”

The report also says Gardner was engaged at the time and notes that Dr. Carroll was disturbed by Gardner’s comments that she had become pregnant at some point in the recent past and got an abortion “because she was afraid she could not raise a child by herself.”

Carroll said that statement seemed very odd and found “pervasive oddness” in the case.

The probation officer said that Carroll told him, “The defendant does not suffer from a psychotic disorder. He is simply a bad guy who is inordinately interested in young girls. However, his predilection toward young girls is a problem. He manifests significant predatory traits and is a danger to the community.”

Carroll was also concerned about the incident that led to Gardner’s first criminal conviction — trespassing at the Rim of the World High School where he was a student. “He would like to know why the defendant would be hanging around a high school. He finds this behavior disturbing.”

The Union-Tribune petitioned a judge to unseal the 2000 probation report. A hearing was held Monday afternoon and the petition was granted.

Gardner’s defense lawyers in the Chelsea King case objected to the release of the report, saying it could taint the jury pool and prevent their client from receiving a fair trial in San Diego County.

Citing case law, San Diego Superior Court Judge David Danielsen said such documents, which are sealed 60 days after a defendant is sentenced on the original case, can be made public again after the defendant has been rearrested.

Danielsen ordered the report to be released, but gave defense lawyers until Wednesday morning to decide if they would file a writ with the 4th District Court of Appeal in an effort to keep the contents of the document secret. Gardner's deputy public defender, Mel Epley, said in court Tuesday that they would not file the appeal.

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/mar/09/new-details-emerge-accused-killer-gardner/


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Northern Rose on March 09, 2010, 04:20:13 PM
Probation report Part 1


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Northern Rose on March 09, 2010, 04:22:39 PM
Probation report part 2


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Northern Rose on March 09, 2010, 04:25:17 PM
Probation report part 3


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Northern Rose on March 09, 2010, 04:31:22 PM
Probation report link
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/breaking/GardnerProbationReport.pdf


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 09, 2010, 04:51:22 PM
Northern thank-you for that probation report  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Tracygirl on March 09, 2010, 05:42:34 PM
The statement about his girlfriend getting an abortion because she didn't feel she could raise a child by herself was what made the doctor say he had pervasive oddness?
Maybe it is just me, but there is a lot about this man that makes him odd to me, that statement does not make my hairs stand on end. What am I not getting?  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 09, 2010, 05:50:35 PM
The statement about his girlfriend getting an abortion because she didn't feel she could raise a child by herself was what made the doctor say he had pervasive oddness?
Maybe it is just me, but there is a lot about this man that makes him odd to me, that statement does not make my hairs stand on end. What am I not getting?  ::MonkeyConfused::
I'm with you, I couldn't figure out why that was so odd  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Gypsy DD on March 09, 2010, 06:07:45 PM
I think he thought it was odd because once again JAG was distancing himself from his own behavior...he didn't say he was the father or that he would be around to help, just she couldn't take care of a baby by herself...and yet if I read that right the girl he was engaged to was pregnant again.  JAG seems like he was in denial about all of his behavior..


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 09, 2010, 06:28:41 PM
I think he thought it was odd because once again JAG was distancing himself from his own behavior...he didn't say he was the father or that he would be around to help, just she couldn't take care of a baby by herself...and yet if I read that right the girl he was engaged to was pregnant again.  JAG seems like he was in denial about all of his behavior..
Thank-you, that makes sense.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: cartfly on March 09, 2010, 06:37:29 PM
http://www.kfiam640.com/main.html  (http://www.kfiam640.com/main.html)

Live interview now about John Gardner.

On right side click listen live (john and ken show)


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: klaasend on March 09, 2010, 08:54:21 PM
Coming up in just a few minutes!

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Click on the link below!

http://scaredmonkeysradio.com/radio.m3u


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: klaasend on March 09, 2010, 09:24:37 PM
Sorry - no Dana Pretzer show tonight.  He had some technical difficulties!


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: MuffyBee on March 09, 2010, 10:12:34 PM
Sorry - no Dana Pretzer show tonight.  He had some technical difficulties!

That's too bad.  Thanks for letting us know, Klaas. 


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Missiontoconvict on March 09, 2010, 10:30:36 PM
Thank you for posting the probation report, I got the chills thinking he was a lifeguard at one time.  Sounds like he has had a turbulent life beginning at a young age - certainly not an excuse for what he has done it only firms up in my mind that he should never ever see the light of day again. He is a monster from he!!  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Northern Rose on March 09, 2010, 11:09:34 PM
Did Gardner Use Running Club To Target Women?

SAN DIEGO -- 10News received information that may indicate accused killer John Gardner used a social gathering that included his parents to allegedly target women to attack.

Photos obtained by 10News place Gardner's mother, Catherine Osborn, a nurse, and his stepfather, Kevin O'Reilly, a photographer, at an event at the Rancho Bernardo Community Park on Dec. 27 -- the same day he is accused of attacking a jogger.

The event was hosted by a local chapter of the Hash House Harriers, a popular group that is part drinking club, part running club. The group encourages members to adopt sexually explicit nicknames.

On Dec. 27, about 50 members met at Rancho Bernardo Community Park for a run scheduled for 2 p.m. Photos taken at the event showed Gardner's parents helping with the registration. 10News is still trying to confirm if Gardner had helped with the run's set up or participated in the run.

Hours before, in the park, a 22-year-old woman was jogging on the park trails. In a recent interview with 10News, the woman's mother said her daughter jogged past a man who then bodyslammed her to the ground. She said her daughter threw an elbow at her attacker and was able to get away. The jogger identified Gardner as her attacker.

Legal experts like defense attorney Jan Ronis expect prosecutors to take a close look at the Dec. 27 incident.

"Just to be able to place him in the general area within a general time is a significant point from the prosecution point of view," said Ronis.

When told of 10News' information, an aunt of the jogger said, "It's sick and wrong if he used his family's event to look for victims … but if having family nearby prevented him from chasing down my niece, that's good."

Officers of the running club declined to comment, but did say they don't recall ever seeing Gardner at any of the runs.

http://www.10news.com/news/22792388/detail.html


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Northern Rose on March 10, 2010, 12:01:42 AM
I just noticed that there is a video with the story as well that has pictures up.  Right side under blue header that says video 

Did Gardner Use Running Club To Target Women?
http://www.10news.com/news/22792388/detail.html#


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: klaasend on March 10, 2010, 12:19:16 AM
Sorry, here is the link

http://www.kfi640.com/mediaplayer/?station=KFI-AM&action=ondemand&item=17950831&feed_name=JohnandKen.xml

Thanks for the link, I took some notes from the John & Ken show when they interviewed an interview one of John's male relatives:

  • Relative said as far as what JAG was like, you see what you want to see
  • Of the conviction in 2000.  Said JAG's story was that the girl came on to him.  That she skipped school and came to his place.  That she was the aggressor and that he didn't actually rape her which is true, he fondled her and beat her.  Said that nobody in the family with the exception maybe of the mom, was aware of the psychiatric evaluation.
  • Asked looking back if there were clues - he said, yes plenty.  As a very young kid (7-8) he was prone to violence.  He recalled a time where at age 7-8 he got into a violent fight with another kidm while this relative was babysitting.  That JAG has always been immature and impulsive.  This relative believes there may be other victims.  That every dot needs to be connected.
  • Up until about a month ago JAG drove a gold pontiac.  It crashed a month ago and is likely in an impound yard
  • JAG's current girlfriend has a back honda that is missing a rear bumper that he had access to
  • When he got out of prison in 2005 he was on probation until September 2008.  From when he got out until Sept 2008 he had an ankle GPS monitor
  • Jobs - he is a journeyman electrician but he does all kinds of construction work and up until recently had work but lost his job recently.  He did all kinds of construction including laying concrete etc
  • Relative believes that the mom has been in DENIAL about JAG
  • As far as relative knows, no big trauma in childhood.  BIO dad died last year but hadn't really been in his life.  Only real father figure was stepdad in Lake Arrowhead/Running Springs.  That stepdad is probably the reason JAG made it through HS.
  • Asked if he believes JAG could be involved with Amber Dubois.  He says he is a man of science and hopefully DNA will tell the story.  He said everything needs to be looked into.
  • On 2/17/2010 this relative went to the Grandma's house in Lake Elsinore to tell JAG to leave.  They needed to get Grandma to the hospital.  On 2/19/2010 they took Grandma to hospital in Palomar and on 2/20/2010 JAG left Elsinore and and came down to Escondido area to his mom's townhouse
  • Relative was asked to get JAG out of Elsinore home but didn't explain why except to say JAG wasn't suppose to be there
  • On Sunday 2/28 the FBI was at the house in Elsinore and questioned this relative.  The FBI has asked this relative not to relay information he gave to FBI so this relative has to be careful about what he says.
  • Told FBI about timelines and what vehicles that JAG had access to.
  • Relative believes that JAG's actions have something to do with his relationship to his mom


That's all I got  ::MonkeyCool::

Bumping this up


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: cookie on March 10, 2010, 10:05:32 AM
good work Monkeys on the articles and the great sleuthing !


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Northern Rose on March 10, 2010, 10:45:00 AM
Probation report cites predatory traits of suspect
(http://media3.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/photo/2010/03/09/PH2010030900239.jpg)

LOS ANGELES -- A decade-old probation report on a sex offender accused of murdering California teenager Chelsea King contained a psychiatrist's conclusion that the defendant had "significant predatory traits" toward underage girls and should be kept in prison for as long as possible.

"The defendant does not suffer from a psychotic disorder," a probation officer quoted Dr. Matthew F. Carroll as saying for the report. "He is simply a bad guy who is inordinately interested in young girls."

Carroll further said John Albert Gardner III's "predilection toward younger girls is a problem. He manifests significant predatory traits and is a danger to the community," the officer wrote.

The report released by the San Diego County Superior Court on Tuesday was prepared in 2000 for the sentencing of the then-21-year-old Gardner after he pleaded guilty to committing lewd and lascivious acts on a 13-year-old neighbor girl who had skipped school. The victim was also punched repeatedly before escaping.

The probation officer recommended a so-called middle term of six years, reasoning in part that Gardner had no prior criminal record. A judge ordered the six-year term and Gardner served five before being paroled.

The report says Gardner moved to five different cities through his childhood and recounts the breakup of his parents when he was 5. It also details his work in construction, as a lifeguard, ride operator for four months at a Santa's Village theme park, and at a fast-food restaurant and sporting goods store.

Carroll expressed doubt of Gardner's claim of having attention deficit hyperactivity disorder that required up to 18 medications, noting he hadn't taken medications since age 16 but still had a 3.2 grade-point average in high school, had done well in life and had a relatively high IQ, the report said.

"Therefore, Dr. Carroll's conclusion is that the defendant is 'just a bad, bad kid,'" the officer wrote.

The report also noted that the psychiatrist was disturbed by a trespassing incident in which Gardner had been hanging around a high school, as well as a statement by Gardner that a purported fiancee had an abortion because she was afraid she couldn't raise the child by herself.

"This statement seems very odd to Dr. Carroll," the report said. "He finds pervasive oddness in this case."

A defense sentencing memorandum dismissed the mention of the high school incident, saying Gardner was a student there at the time, it was after hours and no charges were filed.

Gardner, 30, is now charged with murdering King, 17, of Poway, with a special circumstance of rape or attempted rape. She disappeared Feb. 25 and her presumed body was found March 2 buried in a park near the communities of Poway, Escondido and Rancho Bernardo north of San Diego.

MORE....

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/03/09/AR2010030900222.html


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Northern Rose on March 10, 2010, 10:46:41 AM
Fix system that lets sex offenders walk, kill

Like most in the San Diego area — especially those of us who are parents — I've spent the last few days processing the events surrounding the murder of 17-year-old Chelsea King with a mixture of sadness, frustration and rage. Mostly rage.

Naturally, most of this anger is aimed at John Albert Gardner III, a 30-year-old registered sex offender who was charged last week in King's death. The more we learn about Gardner's numerous brushes with the law, the more anger builds over a defective system for dealing with sex offenders.

Factor in that there might also have been a series of foul-ups by law enforcement agencies, prosecutors and the courts with regard to these earlier cases involving Gardner and your blood begins to boil.

King's disappearance became a national story when 6,000 volunteers turned out to search for her. Now that her body has been found, we might just be at the threshold of a national crusade to fix the broken laws that are supposed to deal with sex offenders.

Gardner, who previously served five years for sexual assault, also has been charged with one count of assault with intent to rape in an attack on a 22-year-old female jogger in December in the same park where King's car was found. And police say he is a person of interest in the case of Amber Dubois, a 14-year-old who disappeared in Escondido, Calif., in February 2009 and whose remains were discovered Saturday. Nine months after Dubois' disappearance, Gardner registered as a sex offender at an address that was just two miles from the school she attended.

But while prosecutors go about building their case against Gardner, the public should be evaluating the institutions that are charged with protecting them and their families. Not one cog in the wheel should get a pass.

And if it turns out that someone did slip up — by not warning the public that other young women were attacked in those neighborhoods, or by being too quick to offer a plea bargain to Gardner in 2000 when he was charged with molesting a 13-year-old girl, or by not subjecting Gardner to the level of monitoring that he clearly deserved after he was released from prison — resignations should follow. After all, in this line of work, incompetence and neglect can come at a high price.

In a more perfect world — or at least a society with a more efficient criminal justice system in which sex offenders get longer sentences and are subject to more thorough monitoring once they get out of prison — King might be alive today. In fact, if there is any good that can come of this horrible tragedy, it might be in the form of a new political movement to strengthen the laws for dealing with sex offenders and close some of the loopholes that now render many of the present statutes useless.

Californians know how to make change. The three-strikes law, where a third serious felony conviction brings a life sentence, was enacted here in 1994. Later, more than 20 states adopted their own versions to combat recidivism and limit judicial discretion.

It's time to do it again. There is nothing more fundamental to the survival of a society than its ability to protect its children. Stories like that of Chelsea King remind us that we don't always do a good job at that. In fact, sometimes we fail miserably. When that happens, lives are lost. Others are destroyed. Changing the law is how we can begin to make amends.

As for Gardner's fate, San Diego County District Attorney Bonnie Dumanis has said that she hasn't yet decided whether to seek the death penalty because it only “should be used and exercised in those cases that are the most serious.”

Don't think about it too long, Madame D.A. Criminal cases don't get more serious than this. It's because of predators who refuse to admit what they've done, let alone show remorse, that we have capital punishment in the first place. So if Gardner is convicted, we should make sure that he gets to experience the concept up close.

http://www.mysanantonio.com/opinion/commentary/87162467.html


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 10, 2010, 10:47:40 AM
as a lifeguard, ride operator for four months at a Santa's Village theme park  ::MonkeyEek:: How disturbing is that, young kids and young teens everywhere.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Northern Rose on March 10, 2010, 10:49:27 AM
Schwarzenegger orders change in parole file policy

The governor wants documents on paroled sex offenders maintained indefinitely. The change was made after a lawmaker sought the file of a suspect in the Chelsea King case. It had been destroyed.

Reporting from Sacramento - State prison officials, drawing fire for destroying the parole file of a man under scrutiny in the disappearances of two teenage girls, reversed their recordkeeping policy Tuesday on orders from Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger.

John Albert Gardner III was charged last week in the suspected killing of Chelsea King, 17, of Poway and is a person of interest, police say, in the slaying of Amber Dubois, 14, who disappeared on her way to school more than a year ago. Her skeletal remains were found Saturday in northern San Diego County.

A convicted sex offender, Gardner, 30, was discharged from parole in 2008, and his file was purged after a year under departmental policy.

Assemblyman Nathan Fletcher (R-San Diego) requested the parole file earlier this month and, he said, received only a one-page summary of Gardner's interactions with the state correctional system. On Tuesday, Fletcher called for an investigation of state recordkeeping practice by a legislative panel and the inspector general who monitors the Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation.

Later Tuesday, the governor told corrections officials that all records relating to paroled sex offenders should be maintained indefinitely.

"It is in the best interest of public safety to retain all information on these individuals and to make as much information as possible available and transparent," he said in a statement.

Prisons chief Matt Cate said he had directed parole staff to make the policy change immediately.

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-parole-policy10-2010mar10,0,795728.story


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Northern Rose on March 10, 2010, 10:53:12 AM
Gardner's family took part in run on day of attack
The event at Rancho Bernardo Community Park came hours after jogger assault

Hours after registered sex offender John Albert Gardner III allegedly attacked a lone jogger at Rancho Bernardo Community Park, his mother and stepfather went for a run on the same trails as part of their jogging group.

Mother Cathy Osborn and stepfather Kevin O’Reilly, members of a local running and drinking group called Hash House Harriers, went to the park for a 2 p.m. group run on Dec. 27 — hours after the 10:30 a.m. attack on a 22-year-old college student, according to online group photos and a group newsletter.

There is no indication that Gardner was at the afternoon event or involved in the club.

Gardner, 30, has been charged with assault with the intent to rape in the jogger attack, and is charged with rape and murder in the death of Chelsea King, 17, of Poway, who was running in the same park two months later.

A run club member identified as “DrZaius” — whose contact information on the group Web site matches O’Reilly’s — did a write up on the event for the newsletter. It mentions the morning attack.

“Disturbing news at the start.” he wrote. “(Two members) who live next to the park, came out to give us word that a girl had been attacked that morning in the trails where we would be running.”


O’Reilly and Osborn live a mile from the park and have not returned calls and e-mails seeking comment.

Their presence at the park that day was reported last night by KGTV Channel 10, a news partner of The San Diego Union-Tribune, and was discussed in several online forums.

Hash House Harrier members who know the couple declined to comment yesterday.

In San Diego, the club’s chapters are perhaps best known as hosting the annual Red Dress Run, when male and female members don red dresses. Many in the group use sexually explicit monikers and often drink after running.

San Diego police classified the Dec. 27 assault at the time as an attempted robbery because the assailant demanded money from the jogger after tackling her. The victim, who goes to college in Colorado Springs, was able to elbow him in the face and escape, the victim’s mother has said.

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/mar/09/gardners-family-took-part-run-day-attack/


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 10, 2010, 10:54:41 AM

Hash House Harrier members who know the couple declined to comment yesterday.            Of course they did  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: trimmonthelake on March 10, 2010, 10:59:57 AM
as a lifeguard, ride operator for four months at a Santa's Village theme park  ::MonkeyEek:: How disturbing is that, young kids and young teens everywhere.

This monster is disturbing on so many levels it is unbelievable.   ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Northern Rose on March 10, 2010, 11:01:38 AM
121 comments on that last story that came out.  Looks like the Hashers do not like the publicity.  I have no idea how they can deny the pictures and write ups they have themselves plastered all over the internet.  Seems they are not so proud now that it is in the media.

 

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/mar/09/gardners-family-took-part-run-day-attack/


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 10, 2010, 11:01:47 AM
as a lifeguard, ride operator for four months at a Santa's Village theme park  ::MonkeyEek:: How disturbing is that, young kids and young teens everywhere.

This monster is disturbing on so many levels it is unbelievable.   ::MonkeyNoNo::
I don't even know what to think anymore  ::MonkeyNoNo:: I just know we took the kids to Santa's Village several times, and there are just tons of young people there of course.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 10, 2010, 11:02:12 AM
121 comments on that last story that came out.  Looks like the Hashers do not like the publicity.  I have no idea how they can deny the pictures and write ups they have themselves plastered all over the internet.  Seems they are not so proud now that it is in the media.

 

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/mar/09/gardners-family-took-part-run-day-attack/
I bet not, good.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Missiontoconvict on March 10, 2010, 11:05:12 AM

Hash House Harrier members who know the couple declined to comment yesterday.            Of course they did  ::MonkeyNoNo::
::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 10, 2010, 11:11:23 AM

Hash House Harrier members who know the couple declined to comment yesterday.            Of course they did  ::MonkeyNoNo::
::MonkeyDevil::
And look at some of the comments going down on the article that Northern posted  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Missiontoconvict on March 10, 2010, 11:27:02 AM

Hash House Harrier members who know the couple declined to comment yesterday.            Of course they did  ::MonkeyNoNo::
::MonkeyDevil::
And look at some of the comments going down on the article that Northern posted  ::MonkeyEek::
On my way - just hope they changed their names.  Thank you for the article Northern Rose.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: piwannaberookie on March 10, 2010, 12:03:27 PM
smugmug took their photos down... and said it was because of Scared Monkeys lol.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 10, 2010, 12:05:42 PM
smugmug took their photos down... and said it was because of Scared Monkeys lol.
   ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: klaasend on March 10, 2010, 12:22:33 PM
In all fairness to most of the Hashers, they just don't want to be in the limelight and who could blame them.  They don't want to be associated with JAG and I don't blame them for that either.  What JAG did is not the fault of the Hashing community as a whole even if JAG's motives end up linking back to some of the Hasher run trails. 


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Northern Rose on March 10, 2010, 12:38:19 PM
Klaas, I have read through comments on both articles that have been posted about the group and connection with DrZ and ECT in the last 24 hours.  There are either people who are defending the group and what they do or denouncing them; nothing in the middle.  I can only imagine the emails you are getting over this.  JAG is convicted of assaulting a young girl and is a RSO.  He is accused of murdering Chelsea, being investigated for the murder of Amber both on or near the same trails that the Hashers used. There are pictures of the Hasher's socializing with JAG.  They don't want to be associated with JAG but they are and that can not be changed especially for the ones in the pictures with JAG at Thanksgiving.   


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: klaasend on March 10, 2010, 12:43:59 PM
May have already been posted:

http://www.cbs8.com/Global/story.asp?S=12115918

Probation report cites predatory traits of suspect
Posted: Mar 10, 2010 7:15 AM PST Updated: Mar 10, 2010 7:24 AM PST

LOS ANGELES (AP) — A decade-old probation report on a sex offender accused of murdering California teenager Chelsea King contained a psychiatrist's conclusion that the defendant had "significant predatory traits" toward underage girls and should be kept in prison for as long as possible.

"The defendant does not suffer from a psychotic disorder," a probation officer quoted Dr. Matthew F. Carroll as saying for the report. "He is simply a bad guy who is inordinately interested in young girls."

Carroll further said John Albert Gardner III's "predilection toward younger girls is a problem. He manifests significant predatory traits and is a danger to the community," the officer wrote.

The report released by the San Diego County Superior Court on Tuesday was prepared in 2000 for the sentencing of the then-21-year-old Gardner after he pleaded guilty to committing lewd and lascivious acts on a 13-year-old neighbor girl who had skipped school. The victim was also punched repeatedly before escaping.

The probation officer recommended a so-called middle term of six years, reasoning in part that Gardner had no prior criminal record. A judge ordered the six-year term and Gardner served five before being paroled.

The report says Gardner moved to five different cities through his childhood and recounts the breakup of his parents when he was 5. It also details his work in construction, as a lifeguard, ride operator for four months at a Santa's Village theme park, and at a fast-food restaurant and sporting goods store.

Carroll expressed doubt of Gardner's claim of having attention deficit hyperactivity disorder that required up to 18 medications, noting he hadn't taken medications since age 16 but still had a 3.2 grade-point average in high school, had done well in life and had a relatively high IQ, the report said.

"Therefore, Dr. Carroll's conclusion is that the defendant is 'just a bad, bad kid,'" the officer wrote.

The report also noted that the psychiatrist was disturbed by a trespassing incident in which Gardner had been hanging around a high school, as well as a statement by Gardner that a purported fiancee had an abortion because she was afraid she couldn't raise the child by herself.

"This statement seems very odd to Dr. Carroll," the report said. "He finds pervasive oddness in this case."

A defense sentencing memorandum dismissed the mention of the high school incident, saying Gardner was a student there at the time, it was after hours and no charges were filed.

Gardner, 30, is now charged with murdering King, 17, of Poway, with a special circumstance of rape or attempted rape. She disappeared Feb. 25 and her presumed body was found March 2 buried in a park near the communities of Poway, Escondido and Rancho Bernardo north of San Diego.

Gardner is also charged with assaulting a woman in the same park in December with intent to rape, and is the focus of an investigation into the disappearance of 14-year-old Amber Dubois in early 2009 as she walked to school in Escondido. Her skeletal remains were found Saturday on an Indian reservation.

Judge David J. Danielsen ordered the redacted probation report to be made available.

Carroll has declined to talk publicly, but a colleague last week described his blunt warnings about Gardner and said Carroll had not wanted there to be any ambiguity about the assessment.

Gardner, whose mother lives in Rancho Bernardo, was arrested at an Escondido restaurant on Feb. 28. A state Justice Department spokeswoman said he was identified by DNA analysis of semen on a piece of King's clothing.

Gardner, who has pleaded not guilty to the current charges, was in court Tuesday as a judge pushed back the date of his preliminary hearing from March 18 to Aug. 4. A preliminary hearing is an initial examination of evidence so the judge can decide whether the case should proceed to trial.

The prosecution has vowed not to discuss the case outside of court, and Gardner's public defender has withheld all comment. Still, the judge also issued a gag order.

Meanwhile, California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger ordered authorities to retain all parole records on sex offenders after learning the files of Gardner had been destroyed last fall, just a year after he had completed three years of parole supervision.

The Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation disclosed the documents had been destroyed in a response Friday to a records request by The Associated Press.

Department spokesman Oscar Hidalgo said 10,000 ex-convicts each month are placed on parole or released from parole. The system would be overwhelmed by paper records if it didn't shred them quickly, he said.

He also said portions of Gardner's parole records were transferred to his central file, which is kept for 30 years.

Officials were reviewing what they can release, considering legal privacy restrictions and the judge's gag order.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: labubske on March 10, 2010, 12:46:28 PM
Probation report cites predatory traits of suspect
(http://media3.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/photo/2010/03/09/PH2010030900239.jpg)

LOS ANGELES -- A decade-old probation report on a sex offender accused of murdering California teenager Chelsea King contained a psychiatrist's conclusion that the defendant had "significant predatory traits" toward underage girls and should be kept in prison for as long as possible.

"The defendant does not suffer from a psychotic disorder," a probation officer quoted Dr. Matthew F. Carroll as saying for the report. "He is simply a bad guy who is inordinately interested in young girls."

Carroll further said John Albert Gardner III's "predilection toward younger girls is a problem. He manifests significant predatory traits and is a danger to the community," the officer wrote.

The report released by the San Diego County Superior Court on Tuesday was prepared in 2000 for the sentencing of the then-21-year-old Gardner after he pleaded guilty to committing lewd and lascivious acts on a 13-year-old neighbor girl who had skipped school. The victim was also punched repeatedly before escaping.

The probation officer recommended a so-called middle term of six years, reasoning in part that Gardner had no prior criminal record. A judge ordered the six-year term and Gardner served five before being paroled.

The report says Gardner moved to five different cities through his childhood and recounts the breakup of his parents when he was 5. It also details his work in construction, as a lifeguard, ride operator for four months at a Santa's Village theme park, and at a fast-food restaurant and sporting goods store.

Carroll expressed doubt of Gardner's claim of having attention deficit hyperactivity disorder that required up to 18 medications, noting he hadn't taken medications since age 16 but still had a 3.2 grade-point average in high school, had done well in life and had a relatively high IQ, the report said.

"Therefore, Dr. Carroll's conclusion is that the defendant is 'just a bad, bad kid,'" the officer wrote.

The report also noted that the psychiatrist was disturbed by a trespassing incident in which Gardner had been hanging around a high school, as well as a statement by Gardner that a purported fiancee had an abortion because she was afraid she couldn't raise the child by herself.

"This statement seems very odd to Dr. Carroll," the report said. "He finds pervasive oddness in this case."

A defense sentencing memorandum dismissed the mention of the high school incident, saying Gardner was a student there at the time, it was after hours and no charges were filed.

Gardner, 30, is now charged with murdering King, 17, of Poway, with a special circumstance of rape or attempted rape. She disappeared Feb. 25 and her presumed body was found March 2 buried in a park near the communities of Poway, Escondido and Rancho Bernardo north of San Diego.

MORE....

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/03/09/AR2010030900222.html
I wonder why he was hanging around the school after hours?  How often?  Was an event finishing up?  Were any girls missing during his time in high school?  How about the report that I posted from the very beginning...wondering if he had any connection with the alledged raping of girls in the forest parties?  They said that it happened when JAG should have been going to school there?  Any follow ups with this?


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Northern Rose on March 10, 2010, 01:03:37 PM
RB's strong Neighborhood Watch program didn't protect Chelsea

San Diego - The signs in Rancho Bernardo, are everywhere: "Warning...Neighborhood Watch. We look out for each other." But the community vigilance wasn't enough to prevent the murder of a high school student in a community park.

"We've adopted the mission or motto shal we say of neighbors helping neighbors live safe and secure," said Gary Carlson, Rancho Bernardo's Neighborhood Watch Director.

Gary Carlson has lived Rancho Bernardo for more than 35 years. For the past four, he's been a volunteer with the local Neighborhood Watch. He now heads the volunteer board that oversees the program. Highly organized, Carlson said communication is key. That's because the group is responsible for 45,000 people living in the area.

"We're divided up by seven districts, and each of those districts has maybe five, 10, 15 areas. And they have maybe 100 blocks in each of them," Carlson said.

Rancho Bernado's program is touted as being one of the best programs in San Diego County. Block captains facilitate the interaction between community members and the board. The board in turn, works directly with the San Diego police department. The group has a Web site and even offers detailed crime reports for the area.

The Neighborhood Watch program in Carmel Valley Pacific Highlands Ranch works a little differently. Up and running only two years, about 100 volunteers patrol the neighborhood of approximately 1,200 homes. They are easily identifiable in baseball caps and safety vests.

San Diego police Officer David Surwilo is the Community Relations officer for the western division. There are over 200 watch groups in his division. He said they play a pivotal role in helping to curtail crime.

"Law enforcement is becoming burdened with doing a lot more with a lot less," Surwilo said. "Most certainly Neighborhood Watch groups and the citizens are the first to recognize and understand a problem within their neighborhood."

http://www.fox5sandiego.com/news/kswb-neighborhood-watch-programs,0,647698.story


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Tracygirl on March 10, 2010, 01:07:13 PM
121 comments on that last story that came out.  Looks like the Hashers do not like the publicity.  I have no idea how they can deny the pictures and write ups they have themselves plastered all over the internet.  Seems they are not so proud now that it is in the media.

 

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/mar/09/gardners-family-took-part-run-day-attack/

Wow those comments are over the top. They should be on there saying they are sorry and hope to god their group didn't give this man any idea's. Instead they are defending public nudity and drinking? There is no arguing with this mentality.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Gypsy DD on March 10, 2010, 01:15:35 PM
121 comments on that last story that came out.  Looks like the Hashers do not like the publicity.  I have no idea how they can deny the pictures and write ups they have themselves plastered all over the internet.  Seems they are not so proud now that it is in the media.

 

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/mar/09/gardners-family-took-part-run-day-attack/

Wow those comments are over the top. They should be on there saying they are sorry and hope to god their group didn't give this man any idea's. Instead they are defending public nudity and drinking? There is no arguing with this mentality.

They could be a great source to LE..hope Mom and her partner are talking..because I have a feeling that this guy has rapes and attempted rapes..maybe more murders.

I also have a feeling if you would grid the HH runs and possibly times..but just the runs would be an answer to some of the missing people in the areas.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Tracygirl on March 10, 2010, 01:15:35 PM
No it is not their fault, that is true, Gardner did the crimes,  but they cannot say they had nothing to do with inspiring his thoughts. They should be saying their are sorry and hope their "risque running/drinking club" had nothing to do with inspiring any idea's of this registered sex offender, rapist, murderer. For them to say their group had no part in this is wrong and stupid on their part.

Scared Monkeys is full of mean people, wawawawa.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Missiontoconvict on March 10, 2010, 01:16:08 PM
Some of their comments are disturbing, it is obvious this group has no inhibitions about their sexuality in their minds it is acceptable to be nude in a group and participate in group affairs with each other.  There is one comment over there that says;

"There's nothing wrong with nudity and there's no data to show that being exposed to nudity causes a person to turn into a sexual predator." 

Data?  Hmmmm I believe children learn what they live and are products of their environments.  I think they are missing the point. It is what goes along with the nudity when there is heavy drinking, intoxication and other factors that come into play.  I think they have to be intoxicated in order to be uninhibited. I don't see this as productive play, if you are someone like JAG it certainly it is far from therapeutic it is lethal.

Klaas I understand what you are saying, but if I can, I would like to say that if they don't want to be in the limelight then they should not be on the news forums attacking those who have questions and want answers about what happened to these 2 beautiful girls. I didn't see them coming out defending their love for the "run" with concerns about the safety of the trails after an attack and Chelsea's murder  - they came out once their hashing group was exposed and has an association to JAG.






Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: klaasend on March 10, 2010, 01:16:38 PM
I received this email from a Hasher that lives (it sounds) on the East coast.  He/she explains about the Hashers and also why some of the sites have come down. 

This person has been very civil in emails to me and it's with their approval I post the message below:


Quote
To:  Klaasend (via email)
From:  Name removed

I am a hasher on the opposite side of the country. Apparently, no one regularly on your SM site either is a hasher, knows a hasher personally, nor knows anything about hashing firsthand.  Very much of what I have read posted here about hashers is supposition and fabrication based on the little information you've seen. I only want to be able to set the record straight and perhaps answer your questions about hashing.

I have seen slanderous words about hashing and generalizing about hashers as, among many other things, a swinger's organization, a cult, a gang of pedophiles, and even perhaps as a front for a group of murderers.  There are warning emails going around the hashing community warning about THIS SM website, linking your members to the vandalism of property of the hashers you have been posting about. THIS is why everyone is being hasty in removing information from the web. They are worried about the nut-jobs (whether or not they are members of your website) who may read your posts of their personal information including phone numbers, addresses, and places of employment, and walking outside to find someone has damaged their property, or worse, is laying in wait for a physical attack.  While I am certain that the intent of your website is nowhere near urging people to become vigilantes, that very well could be the end result. Put yourself in our shoes and imagine what would happen if one of the people who actually has committed some of the very atrocities your website denounces gained access to a list of your members addresses, phone numbers, and places of employment. It would not sit well with you, I'd think. And while it is true that all of the information your members have gathered and posted about the hashers is widely available on the internet, this SM forum is denouncing it in a fashion that a less than mentally stable person would be able to easily act upon.  This website is becoming, if you will, a one-stop shop for someone whom wants to go out and "achieve justice" where none is due. That is why we are scared.


Now, a little about hashing. Obviously, this is not something for everyone. But yes, hashers run... as badly out of shape as some of us are, we do go on trails. Some are not in shape enough to run, and will walk the trails, but I don't know of anyone who doesn't at the very least attempt the trail. These are simple, old fashioned "hound and hare" runs.  The one to three hares lay a trail of flour, chalk, or toilet paper (all ecologically friendly) for the pack of hounds to follow. At the end of the trail, or a portion of the trail, is beer. It's really that simple as far as the actual hash goes.  It ends with circle where people will do down-downs, occasionally get named, etc., all while singing our silly songs. Our language and behavior is often lewd and sophomoric, and some of the wilder occasions may involve a little nudity for added shock value amongst ourselves. We typically do not hide our photos or information from outsiders, because we are an open group that allows anyone to come join. I saw that someone posted something about virgins. That is our term for someone who hasn't hashed before and has NOTHING to do with children.  Most kennels (the term for a local group) do not allow children. Those that do are significantly cleaned up in language and behavior.


Hashers come from all walks of life. I know people who are military personnel, lawyers, engineers, teachers, college professors, atheltes, web designers, housewives, dentists, nurses, physical therapists, and dozens of other professions. The vast majority of hashers I know are great people who would go well out of their way to do a favor for an acquaintance of an acquaintance. As with any group of people, there are a few bad nuts, but of all of them that I know, I can't say there are any that I'd rather not know.  Hashing is an activity that is pursued worldwide, in most major cities of the world, and many smaller ones as well.  We make fun of each other at any opportunity, which is where the hash names come from.

I offer you the opportunity to ask anything you'd like about hashing.  If it is acceptable to you, I'd be happy to post on the scared monkey site.  If it is something particular about people in San Diego, then I will likely not know, as I haven't had the opportunity to hash there yet. But the opinion of us being posted on your site is mostly off base.  We are just a group of (mostly) normal people who engage in a little odd behavior a few times a month to blow off a little steam and have fun.

Respectfully,

(name removed)


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: SDDad on March 10, 2010, 01:18:54 PM
This is my first post. 

Here are some links I found while waiting to get approved.

JAG's step-dad's business
DAP Electric, Daniel Alfred Poppe
http://poppeelectric.com/

JAG's mom's nursing license
http://www2.dca.ca.gov/pls/wllpub/WLLQRYNA$LCEV2.QueryView?P_LICENSE_NUMBER=382721&P_LTE_ID=828









Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: klaasend on March 10, 2010, 01:21:12 PM
Welcome SDDad! 


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: klaasend on March 10, 2010, 01:24:23 PM
Is Poppe her first husband prior to having John or is Poppe the stepdad that John really liked in Lake Arrowhead?


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Northern Rose on March 10, 2010, 01:34:09 PM
This is my first post. 

Here are some links I found while waiting to get approved.

JAG's step-dad's business
DAP Electric, Daniel Alfred Poppe
http://poppeelectric.com/

JAG's mom's nursing license
http://www2.dca.ca.gov/pls/wllpub/WLLQRYNA$LCEV2.QueryView?P_LICENSE_NUMBER=382721&P_LTE_ID=828



 ::MonkeyDance:: WELCOME SDDad   ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Northern Rose on March 10, 2010, 01:37:48 PM
This is my first post. 

Here are some links I found while waiting to get approved.

JAG's step-dad's business
DAP Electric, Daniel Alfred Poppe
http://poppeelectric.com/

JAG's mom's nursing license
http://www2.dca.ca.gov/pls/wllpub/WLLQRYNA$LCEV2.QueryView?P_LICENSE_NUMBER=382721&P_LTE_ID=828



The link for DAP electric is for a company in Canada, no branches or services in the US listed.  Are we sure this is the correct company?


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Tracygirl on March 10, 2010, 01:38:51 PM
I agree with Gypsy, they could be very valuable in offering information to the police. I hope they can put aside their love of "hashing" for a moment to do something to help.

I hope they can understand the theme of their group whether it is something that is approved of or not, has no place around a memory run for a girl which was raped and murdered. I pray they consider canceling the run, please cancel the run. The thought of those names being uttered around the place she was killed just makes me want to vomit.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 10, 2010, 01:39:56 PM
This is my first post. 

Here are some links I found while waiting to get approved.

JAG's step-dad's business
DAP Electric, Daniel Alfred Poppe
http://poppeelectric.com/

JAG's mom's nursing license
http://www2.dca.ca.gov/pls/wllpub/WLLQRYNA$LCEV2.QueryView?P_LICENSE_NUMBER=382721&P_LTE_ID=828








WELCOME  and thank-you  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Missiontoconvict on March 10, 2010, 01:55:14 PM
This is my first post. 

Here are some links I found while waiting to get approved.

JAG's step-dad's business
DAP Electric, Daniel Alfred Poppe
http://poppeelectric.com/

JAG's mom's nursing license
http://www2.dca.ca.gov/pls/wllpub/WLLQRYNA$LCEV2.QueryView?P_LICENSE_NUMBER=382721&P_LTE_ID=828


Welcome to the cage SDDad  ::CowboySmiley::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: SDDad on March 10, 2010, 01:58:14 PM
This is my first post. 

Here are some links I found while waiting to get approved.

JAG's step-dad's business
DAP Electric, Daniel Alfred Poppe
http://poppeelectric.com/

JAG's mom's nursing license
http://www2.dca.ca.gov/pls/wllpub/WLLQRYNA$LCEV2.QueryView?P_LICENSE_NUMBER=382721&P_LTE_ID=828



The link for DAP electric is for a company in Canada, no branches or services in the US listed.  Are we sure this is the correct company?

Yes, that is actually Ontario, California.  Notice the 909 area code listed at the bottom.

JAG practiced electrical work, a trade he most likely learned from his step-dad.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Northern Rose on March 10, 2010, 02:00:22 PM
This is my first post. 

Here are some links I found while waiting to get approved.

JAG's step-dad's business
DAP Electric, Daniel Alfred Poppe
http://poppeelectric.com/

JAG's mom's nursing license
http://www2.dca.ca.gov/pls/wllpub/WLLQRYNA$LCEV2.QueryView?P_LICENSE_NUMBER=382721&P_LTE_ID=828



The link for DAP electric is for a company in Canada, no branches or services in the US listed.  Are we sure this is the correct company?

Yes, that is actually Ontario, California.  Notice the 909 area code listed at the bottom.

JAG practiced electrical work, a trade he most likely learned from his step-dad.

Thank you for clarifying.  I saw CA and Ontario together and thought Canada.   ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Gypsy DD on March 10, 2010, 02:09:01 PM
I received this email from a Hasher that lives (it sounds) on the East coast.  He/she explains about the Hashers and also why some of the sites have come down. 

This person has been very civil in emails to me and it's with their approval I post the message below:


Quote
To:  Klaasend (via email)
From:  Name removed

I am a hasher on the opposite side of the country. Apparently, no one regularly on your SM site either is a hasher, knows a hasher personally, nor knows anything about hashing firsthand.  Very much of what I have read posted here about hashers is supposition and fabrication based on the little information you've seen. I only want to be able to set the record straight and perhaps answer your questions about hashing.

I have seen slanderous words about hashing and generalizing about hashers as, among many other things, a swinger's organization, a cult, a gang of pedophiles, and even perhaps as a front for a group of murderers.  There are warning emails going around the hashing community warning about THIS SM website, linking your members to the vandalism of property of the hashers you have been posting about. THIS is why everyone is being hasty in removing information from the web. They are worried about the nut-jobs (whether or not they are members of your website) who may read your posts of their personal information including phone numbers, addresses, and places of employment, and walking outside to find someone has damaged their property, or worse, is laying in wait for a physical attack.  While I am certain that the intent of your website is nowhere near urging people to become vigilantes, that very well could be the end result. Put yourself in our shoes and imagine what would happen if one of the people who actually has committed some of the very atrocities your website denounces gained access to a list of your members addresses, phone numbers, and places of employment. It would not sit well with you, I'd think. And while it is true that all of the information your members have gathered and posted about the hashers is widely available on the internet, this SM forum is denouncing it in a fashion that a less than mentally stable person would be able to easily act upon.  This website is becoming, if you will, a one-stop shop for someone whom wants to go out and "achieve justice" where none is due. That is why we are scared.


Now, a little about hashing. Obviously, this is not something for everyone. But yes, hashers run... as badly out of shape as some of us are, we do go on trails. Some are not in shape enough to run, and will walk the trails, but I don't know of anyone who doesn't at the very least attempt the trail. These are simple, old fashioned "hound and hare" runs.  The one to three hares lay a trail of flour, chalk, or toilet paper (all ecologically friendly) for the pack of hounds to follow. At the end of the trail, or a portion of the trail, is beer. It's really that simple as far as the actual hash goes.  It ends with circle where people will do down-downs, occasionally get named, etc., all while singing our silly songs. Our language and behavior is often lewd and sophomoric, and some of the wilder occasions may involve a little nudity for added shock value amongst ourselves. We typically do not hide our photos or information from outsiders, because we are an open group that allows anyone to come join. I saw that someone posted something about virgins. That is our term for someone who hasn't hashed before and has NOTHING to do with children.  Most kennels (the term for a local group) do not allow children. Those that do are significantly cleaned up in language and behavior.


Hashers come from all walks of life. I know people who are military personnel, lawyers, engineers, teachers, college professors, atheltes, web designers, housewives, dentists, nurses, physical therapists, and dozens of other professions. The vast majority of hashers I know are great people who would go well out of their way to do a favor for an acquaintance of an acquaintance. As with any group of people, there are a few bad nuts, but of all of them that I know, I can't say there are any that I'd rather not know.  Hashing is an activity that is pursued worldwide, in most major cities of the world, and many smaller ones as well.  We make fun of each other at any opportunity, which is where the hash names come from.

I offer you the opportunity to ask anything you'd like about hashing.  If it is acceptable to you, I'd be happy to post on the scared monkey site.  If it is something particular about people in San Diego, then I will likely not know, as I haven't had the opportunity to hash there yet. But the opinion of us being posted on your site is mostly off base.  We are just a group of (mostly) normal people who engage in a little odd behavior a few times a month to blow off a little steam and have fun.

Respectfully,

(name removed)


This was a very respectful letter.  This person seems to be level headed.  I appreciate the time they took to write this and that you posted it Klaas.

However ..I don't think anyone here is interested in what other Hashers do in their clubs.  Basically our interest is in the particular club that his Mom and her partner belonged due to the fact this is not a good environment for an RSO.  You have to wonder what were they thinking?

That being said ..I think any trails that the Hash Humpers ran in SD are fair to look at as possible areas of other crimes that JAG may have committed.  Where these girls were found does coincide with HH hash runs.  This would give him knowledge of the place and also place him in the vicinity at the time of the alleged crimes.  That is a very important fact that can not be overlooked.

So sorry if they do not like us looking into their activities and runs..but their seems to be atleast some correlation between the HH group and JAG.  I would think these people would be more concerned about having had this RSO with them, then about their own upholding of the club.



Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Edward on March 10, 2010, 02:31:49 PM
I think if you want to be respected as a research web site, then you must have respect.

Other then that then we just turn into an over rated chat room.


That letter says it all.

jmho


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Northern Rose on March 10, 2010, 02:46:05 PM
I received this email from a Hasher that lives (it sounds) on the East coast.  He/she explains about the Hashers and also why some of the sites have come down. 

This person has been very civil in emails to me and it's with their approval I post the message below:


Quote
To:  Klaasend (via email)
From:  Name removed

I am a hasher on the opposite side of the country. Apparently, no one regularly on your SM site either is a hasher, knows a hasher personally, nor knows anything about hashing firsthand.  Very much of what I have read posted here about hashers is supposition and fabrication based on the little information you've seen. I only want to be able to set the record straight and perhaps answer your questions about hashing.

I have seen slanderous words about hashing and generalizing about hashers as, among many other things, a swinger's organization, a cult, a gang of pedophiles, and even perhaps as a front for a group of murderers.  There are warning emails going around the hashing community warning about THIS SM website, linking your members to the vandalism of property of the hashers you have been posting about. THIS is why everyone is being hasty in removing information from the web. They are worried about the nut-jobs (whether or not they are members of your website) who may read your posts of their personal information including phone numbers, addresses, and places of employment, and walking outside to find someone has damaged their property, or worse, is laying in wait for a physical attack.  While I am certain that the intent of your website is nowhere near urging people to become vigilantes, that very well could be the end result. Put yourself in our shoes and imagine what would happen if one of the people who actually has committed some of the very atrocities your website denounces gained access to a list of your members addresses, phone numbers, and places of employment. It would not sit well with you, I'd think. And while it is true that all of the information your members have gathered and posted about the hashers is widely available on the internet, this SM forum is denouncing it in a fashion that a less than mentally stable person would be able to easily act upon.  This website is becoming, if you will, a one-stop shop for someone whom wants to go out and "achieve justice" where none is due. That is why we are scared.


Now, a little about hashing. Obviously, this is not something for everyone. But yes, hashers run... as badly out of shape as some of us are, we do go on trails. Some are not in shape enough to run, and will walk the trails, but I don't know of anyone who doesn't at the very least attempt the trail. These are simple, old fashioned "hound and hare" runs.  The one to three hares lay a trail of flour, chalk, or toilet paper (all ecologically friendly) for the pack of hounds to follow. At the end of the trail, or a portion of the trail, is beer. It's really that simple as far as the actual hash goes.  It ends with circle where people will do down-downs, occasionally get named, etc., all while singing our silly songs. Our language and behavior is often lewd and sophomoric, and some of the wilder occasions may involve a little nudity for added shock value amongst ourselves. We typically do not hide our photos or information from outsiders, because we are an open group that allows anyone to come join. I saw that someone posted something about virgins. That is our term for someone who hasn't hashed before and has NOTHING to do with children.  Most kennels (the term for a local group) do not allow children. Those that do are significantly cleaned up in language and behavior.


Hashers come from all walks of life. I know people who are military personnel, lawyers, engineers, teachers, college professors, atheltes, web designers, housewives, dentists, nurses, physical therapists, and dozens of other professions. The vast majority of hashers I know are great people who would go well out of their way to do a favor for an acquaintance of an acquaintance. As with any group of people, there are a few bad nuts, but of all of them that I know, I can't say there are any that I'd rather not know.  Hashing is an activity that is pursued worldwide, in most major cities of the world, and many smaller ones as well.  We make fun of each other at any opportunity, which is where the hash names come from.

I offer you the opportunity to ask anything you'd like about hashing.  If it is acceptable to you, I'd be happy to post on the scared monkey site.  If it is something particular about people in San Diego, then I will likely not know, as I haven't had the opportunity to hash there yet. But the opinion of us being posted on your site is mostly off base.  We are just a group of (mostly) normal people who engage in a little odd behavior a few times a month to blow off a little steam and have fun.

Respectfully,

(name removed)


This was a very respectful letter.  This person seems to be level headed.  I appreciate the time they took to write this and that you posted it Klaas.

However ..I don't think anyone here is interested in what other Hashers do in their clubs.  Basically our interest is in the particular club that his Mom and her partner belonged due to the fact this is not a good environment for an RSO.  You have to wonder what were they thinking?

That being said ..I think any trails that the Hash Humpers ran in SD are fair to look at as possible areas of other crimes that JAG may have committed.  Where these girls were found does coincide with HH hash runs.  This would give him knowledge of the place and also place him in the vicinity at the time of the alleged crimes.  That is a very important fact that can not be overlooked.

So sorry if they do not like us looking into their activities and runs..but their seems to be atleast some correlation between the HH group and JAG.  I would think these people would be more concerned about having had this RSO with them, then about their own upholding of the club. 



This letter is well written and respectful.  DrZ and ECT have been involved with the club for years based on what we have found.  JAG has been at the house while hashers where over which is documented by the pictures.  There are two maps of runs that coincide with areas that girls have been attacked, murdered and or remains discovered.  There may be more but we will not know as the sites have been locked down.  One bad nut does not make a whole tree rotten.  For those that did not know JAG was a RSO, they do now and you would think they would be happy to have that knowledge as some must have wives, daughters, nieces that they would not want around a RSO regardless who that person was. 

I am sure they do come from all walks of life.  IF the ones commenting on the news articles are correct that there are police, firemen and military that are part of this group then I understand their anger right now.  Up here when you become a member of the police you sign a long contract that basically says you are a cop on and off duty and there is morality involved and conduct.  Some of these pictures being public may not be good for their careers.  I personally could care less as they are adults and have chosen to do this of their own choice, partook in the activities and allowed pictures to be taken and posted.  What I do care about is that Chelsea and Amber were murdered and that should never have happened.  Warning letters about SM linking our members to the vandalism of property of the hashers I take offense to.  We have not fabricated or manufactured the information or images just posted them on one thread.   We have no more control of what "nut-jobs" may or may not do after reading what is posted then they do of what "nut-jobs" may or may not do in the hashs or activites associated with them.   JMO.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Tracygirl on March 10, 2010, 02:50:48 PM
Gypsy I agree with what you said so I will just say ditto.
Edward sometimes when doing research we come along things which are going to upset people, that is what is happening. It can't stop us.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Nut44x4 on March 10, 2010, 03:12:13 PM
....I do not know if this has been posted yet.....

**This needs to be implemented in all of North America ASAP! If they are going to continue to release these predators back into society (which I am against, period! 1-strike/you're out has been my motto for years!) they need to be able to track them.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

'Chelsea's Law' Could Track Sex Offenders Via GPS

Known sex offenders should be outfitted with GPS devices that would track their movements and immediately alert police if predators travelled to restricted areas near schools or parks, a California lawmaker told ABC News.com.

Following the alleged rape and murder of 17-year-old high school student Chelsea King by convicted sex offender John Albert Gardner III, Assemblyman Nathan Fletcher, R- San Diego, called for a complete review of California laws intended to monitor known offenders.

Fletcher said California law requires sex offenders to register where they live, but not where they go. Police in the nearby towns of Escondido and Rancho Bernardo are working to determine if in Gardner's routine travels between his residence and his mother's home he attempted to abduct girls along the way.

I'm really concerned where these sex predators go because where you live is one thing, but where you go is another matter. If you're a certain category of sex offender you can't go where kids congregate. You can't go to parks, you can't go to bus stops, you can go to schools," Fletcher said.

"We're looking at the possibility of using technology. Using a GPS device that's a passive device, but the minute you cross into one of these safe zones it immediately pings a 911 call and you've committed a crime by violating it," he said.

King's body was found in a shallow grave near Lake Hodges on March 2, ending a week-long search for the straight-A student who disappeared Feb. 25 during an afterschool run at a park.

Gardner, who served five years in prison after admitting to molesting a 13-yeard-old girl in 2000, was arrested March 1 after his DNA was found on clothes belonging to King found in the area where she vanished.

In the days following his arrest and arraignment, police have since linked him to one other attack in the same park and believe he may be connected to the death of Amber DuBois, 14, who disappeared in February 2009 and whose skeletal remains were discover over this past weekend.

Chelsea King's Parent Want to Change Sex Offender Laws
"We will work with law enforcement, district attorneys, crime victims groups, legislators, and others to evaluate the current system and identify problems, shortcomings, and gaps," Fletcher said of his proposed overhaul of sex offender laws.

King's parents said they would work with the assemblyman to "make the kind of changes that will save precious young lives like hers."

"We do not yet know when or how those efforts will take shape, but our commitment to carry her light forward is steadfast. We have decided to collaborate with Assemblyman Fletcher on these yet undefined initiatives," her parents Brent and Kelly King said in a statement.

On Tuesday it was revealed that the California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation last year destroyed records pertaining to Gardner's 2005 to 2008 parole as part of a routine annual documents dump.

The Associated Press and Fletcher's office both requested the documents, prompting the department to reveal that they had been destroyed.

Upon learning of the department's policy, Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger ordered all parole records for convicted sex offenders held indefinitely.

While those records were destroyed, the San Diego County Superior Court Tuesday released a copy of Gardner's probation report from 2000 in which a court psychiatrist described the then 21-year-old as "simply a bad guy who is inordinately interested in young girls."

Dr. Matthew Carroll said Gardner's "predilection toward younger girls is a problem. He manifests significant predatory traits and is a danger to the community," the officer wrote.

Gardner accepted a plea deal in 2000 after being charged with committing lewd and lascivious acts against a 13-year-old neighbor he picked up on her way to school. Though he faced a 15-year maximum sentence Gardner was sentenced to six years, of which he served five, on the recommendation of a probation officer.

Recommendation to Give John Gardner Maximum Sentence Ignored
Despite a recommendation for the maximum sentence by Carroll, the probation officer recommended a lighter sentence given he had no prior record, according to the documents reviewed by the Associated Press. The judge accepted the officer's recommendation.

Carroll will not speak about the case, but last week his colleague Dr. Mark Kalish told ABC News Carroll was angry that the court did not accept his recommendations.

"Dr. Carroll told the court that [Gardner] showed no insight and expressed no responsibility and that he is a danger. You can't make a stronger statement than that," said Kalish

"No one can predict what someone will do 10 years down the road, but had this guy been prosecuted to the full extent he could have been looking at 30 years in prison and this crime would never have happened," he said.
http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/chelseas-law-track-sex-offenders-gps/story?id=10063652


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Tracygirl on March 10, 2010, 03:17:57 PM
1 strike and their out. I would be willing to pay the extra taxes it would take too keep them locked up for life.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Tracygirl on March 10, 2010, 03:22:35 PM
Good post Northern, I didn't see it before.
What I find interesting is how our postings can make a crazy person act out yet their behavior couldn't possibly lead to do that. Can't have it both ways. Plus I would be willing to bet a bag full of peanuts Hashing has had it's problems with mainstream society before, that this is not the first time.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 10, 2010, 03:28:57 PM
Thanks Nut for that article.  I want to make sure that I'm understanding correctly, the worldwide Hashing group is different from the one that JAG's mom is in, an off shoot if you will. Am I correct? If I'm correct then I don't see what it matters what this group does, they have been around doing this since 1938, it seems stupid too me, but I guess for a lot of people it isn't. My concern is the group his mom is involved in, and his being around people that probably didn't know that he was a RSO.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Missiontoconvict on March 10, 2010, 03:29:11 PM
Good posts Gypsy and Northern Rose.

It seems rather odd that they are taking down websites all over just because of us little ol monkeys.  Wow, we are much more influential than I thought if hashing sites are taking down pictures etc....

For some reason I don't think it is because they are afraid of some sluethers - I think they may be a little concerned about this concept being delved into a bit further especially as it relates to JAG.  I think they hide behind the running and trails concept and it is what goes on behind the scenes that has them a bit nervous. 

I can tell you this and that is if my employer ever stumbled across a photo on the net of naked men and women standing around a campfire and I were one of them I would lose my job - As a representative of the company I work for that would not be tolerated. 

I am getting the sense that they are misconstruing our efforts here - we don't care about THEM we care about what connection, if any, might there be to JAG and those who have gone missing/murdered - could it be he used these locations to bury his victims?  Also you can't tell me it isn't quizzing that JAG who is a RSO was exposed to this type of behavior through his mother. 

I'm so done listening to the hashers defend what they do - they may run and do the trails, get close to nature, whatever - I understand that.....it is when I see what I saw after that that makes me very reluctant to believe that as doctors, lawyers, nurses, police and whoever else they might be... are just getting together for a run and a few drinks.  I didn't come down in yesterday's rain.  ::CowboySmiley::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: bananas on March 10, 2010, 03:36:17 PM
Gypsy I agree with what you said so I will just say ditto.
Edward sometimes when doing research we come along things which are going to upset people, that is what is happening. It can't stop us.

I agree with Gypsy and Traceygirl as well.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Gypsy DD on March 10, 2010, 03:40:16 PM
I wonder how many other attempts, rapes and or murders will be attributed to him before this investigation is complete.  I don't think he just became active again in the past year..I think he was probably active from the time he got out of jail.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: piwannaberookie on March 10, 2010, 03:40:29 PM
very brave person to write that informative letter for Scared Monkeys. I don't think anyone in here hates hashers or is out there to seek vigilante justice against them. I think we all want to know if John Gardner was involved in the hashing...we're just researching information about Gardner and his involvement in the HH. If a hasher gets hurt, I am sorry, I didn't provoke anyone to do anything to cause harm to one of them, I don't know a hasher, nor have I participated a hash. I know I posted some stuff in here that points blame to this person and that person, but if you would like to know, I am sorry if i appear offensive to hashing in my posts, if it's not one thing it's another I do. Nobody here is crazy I hope, by looking at pictures of hashers it's easy to judge them, but nobody in here is telling anyoone to go out and hurt someone or vandalize property. If that does happen I hope the person gets caught and is taught a lesson. I don't think anyone wants to make things worse than it already has become, it may look like we're picking on HH but, it's only because I think there is more to know... especially what motivated JAG commit the heinous crimes and if there are more victims. Nobody in here means any harm, hopefully a hasher will get my point... I do stuff like hashing all the time like running at midnight where I can't see anything. Hopefully no dogs, or psychos will come after me, so scared monkeys are also on the look out to for hashers that don't like what we have to say, so it all comes full circle to put it in this post I am writing maybe a hasher will see it, and realize we are not psycho stalkers.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: bananas on March 10, 2010, 03:50:50 PM
I think if you want to be respected as a research web site, then you must have respect.

Other then that then we just turn into an over rated chat room.


That letter says it all.

jmho

And I say those who want my respect should earn it.  I have the right to my opinions.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Northern Rose on March 10, 2010, 04:53:48 PM
EXCLUSIVE: A MISSING LINK: A BLACK NISSAN SENTRA AND THE GIRLFRIEND OF ACCUSED KILLER JOHN GARDNER: NOT CONNECTING THE DOTS PRIOR TO THE MURDER OF CHELSEA KING

The Enterprise Report has learned exclusively that a black 2002 Nissan Sentra 4-door, driven by now indicted murder suspect and convicted sex offender John Albert Gardner and registered to a 'girlfriend' of Gardner may be a key link between a number of cases of alleged murder, attempted murder and other attempted abductions of young girls in both Riverside and San Diego County prior to the killing of 17-year old teenager Chelsea King last month.

TER has confirmed that the 2002 car in question is now in the custody of San Diego County Sheriff's crime lab and is being tested for evidence in the Chelsea King case, as well as other cases of missing or attempted abductions of young women that police believe may be linked to accused killer John Gardner.

TER has obtained a recent traffic citation that shows a crucial link between Gardner, a woman named Jariah Baker and addresses in both Riverside and San Diego County in early 2010 only weeks prior the murder of Chelsea King.

MORE....

http://theenterprisereport.typepad.com/news/2010/03/exclusive-sex-offender-john-gardner-chelsea-king-and-the-missing-link-a-black-car.html


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Tracygirl on March 10, 2010, 05:15:32 PM
Good article Northern thank you for posting it. Bet the girlfriend is getting about a million emails and phone calls.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 10, 2010, 05:44:50 PM
EXCLUSIVE: A MISSING LINK: A BLACK NISSAN SENTRA AND THE GIRLFRIEND OF ACCUSED KILLER JOHN GARDNER: NOT CONNECTING THE DOTS PRIOR TO THE MURDER OF CHELSEA KING

The Enterprise Report has learned exclusively that a black 2002 Nissan Sentra 4-door, driven by now indicted murder suspect and convicted sex offender John Albert Gardner and registered to a 'girlfriend' of Gardner may be a key link between a number of cases of alleged murder, attempted murder and other attempted abductions of young girls in both Riverside and San Diego County prior to the killing of 17-year old teenager Chelsea King last month.

TER has confirmed that the 2002 car in question is now in the custody of San Diego County Sheriff's crime lab and is being tested for evidence in the Chelsea King case, as well as other cases of missing or attempted abductions of young women that police believe may be linked to accused killer John Gardner.

TER has obtained a recent traffic citation that shows a crucial link between Gardner, a woman named Jariah Baker and addresses in both Riverside and San Diego County in early 2010 only weeks prior the murder of Chelsea King.

MORE....

http://theenterprisereport.typepad.com/news/2010/03/exclusive-sex-offender-john-gardner-chelsea-king-and-the-missing-link-a-black-car.html
Wow, thanks.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: klaasend on March 10, 2010, 06:06:25 PM
She looks a little like Chelsea IMO

http://www.facebook.com/search/?q=Jariah+Baker&init=quick#!/jariahbkr?ref=search&sid=1570897983.3535349169..1


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Northern Rose on March 10, 2010, 06:07:41 PM
Gardner's Probation Rpt: He Had a Bad Childhood

Cue the violins. The child molester sympathizers now have fodder:

John Albert Gardner III - the sex offender scum suspected of killing and raping young Chelsea King and Amber Dubois - had a bad childhood, according to his 2000 probation report released yesterday.

Isn't that always the excuse? When will it ever get old? Whenever someone does anything evil these days, you're hard-pressed not to hear about all those "issues" they "endured" as a child.

Here's a newsflash: IT DOESN'T MATTER!!

According to the Union Tribune:

"The report says Gardner took Ritalin, Cylert, Zoloft, Paxil and Wellbutrin, Tegretol, Mellaril, Imipramine and Wellbutrin. The report also notes that Gardner's uncle, stepfather and father 'are all alcoholics,' that his father spanked him with a belt and that Gardner 'felt that he went over the line to abusiveness.' It also says that Gardner said his relationship with his mother "is somewhat strained at times because they share a small apartment and get on each other's nerves.'"

"Some of these drugs are common ADHD treatments, and others are prescribed for depression, schizophrenia and bipolar disorder. The report says he stopped taking medication before he turned 16."

Honestly: Who cares? What's the point of this report? Clearly, the angle is to try to get some sympathy. It's to blame society.

Expect all of this to be driven home six ways from Sunday by his shiesty attorneys and the psycho-babble morons who will still dare defend him. Just look at this, from the AP:

'John Albert Gardner had people who believed in him. His defense lawyers also submitted a sentencing memorandum. According to news reports, it highlighted how he shoveled snow and carried groceries for a neighbor, cared for a sick girlfriend and made another girlfriend feel completely safe in the world: 'John has never been anything but kind and compassionate towards me,' wrote Beth Melban, his girlfriend at the time of his conviction. Dr. Divy Kikani, a psychiatrist, treated Gardner for bipolar disorder, and wrote that he was 'extremely remorseful' and 'highly motivated' to get help. Gardner's mother, Catherine Osborn, wrote to the judge in the 2000 case that he accepted 'full responsibility for his actions.'"

It's just too bad we can't hang people like Gardner in public squares.

Nowadays it seems most "people" on death row die of old age before they're ever executed.

http://www.760kfmb.com/Global/story.asp?S=12116675


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Northern Rose on March 10, 2010, 06:14:26 PM
Family designating priority passes for Chelsea's memorial
To accommodate outpouring, family and classmates will be given precedence

Anticipating an overwhelming crowd may want to attend a memorial for Poway teenager Chelsea King, event organizers announced Thursday that priority passes will be issued for seating in the Poway High School stadium.

Passes will be issued to the King family’s extended family, friends, supporters and members of the Poway High School community, according to a statement released by the family.

“The family wants to make sure that every Poway High School student who wants to be there, and their family, will be able to have a seat,” family spokeswoman Sara Muller Fraunces said.

The Memorial Celebration for Chelsea King is scheduled for 2 p.m. at the Poway High stadium, which has a capacity of about 6,000, according to school officials.

Fraunces said that if seating is available after pass-holders are admitted, members of the general public would be allowed in.



“We have no way of knowing right now how many people will come,” she said, but several thousand are anticipated. More than 2,700 students attend the high school. Several thousand people, strangers as well as friends of the King family, attended a candlelight vigil last week in honor of the 17-year-old, who went missing Feb. 25 while jogging in Rancho Bernardo Community Park. Her body was found in a tributary of Lake Hodges on March 2. John Albert Gardner III, a registered sex offender from Lake Elsinore, has been charged with her rape and murder.

Information on the memorial is posted on a Facebook page, “Chelsea’s Light.”

On Wednesday, parents Kelly and Brent King posted the notice, “It is our wish to hold Chelsea’s memorial celebration at Poway High School where she spent almost four years developing special relationships with students and faculty. Because the Poway High School stadium has limited capacity, it has become necessary to issue passes to ensure that Chelsea’s friends, family and the Poway High School community are able to share in her celebration firsthand.”

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/mar/10/family-designating-priority-passes-chelseas-memori/


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Northern Rose on March 10, 2010, 06:18:55 PM
Players to wear orange ribbons in memory of murdered teens

Charley Hoffman didn't know Chelsea King or anyone in her family.

He grew up in Poway, Calif., though. He even went to the same high school as the 17-year-old who was found raped and murdered last week.

John Mallinger's hometown of Escondido, Calif., was ripped apart by a starkly similar tragedy when the remains of 14-year-old Amber Dubois were found on a hillside four days after King's body was discovered. The same convicted sex offender is suspected in both deaths.

The horrific events have captured the attention of a nation and traumatized the communities where Hoffman and Mallinger were raised. Both are far away this week, competing in the Puerto Rico Open presented by Banco Popular, but they wanted to do something to honor the victims and their families.

So both Hoffman and Mallinger will be wearing orange ribbons this week as they compete. They have recruited other players from California to do the same in Puerto Rico and at the World Golf Championships-CA Championship, as well.

"I was down in San Diego doing some golf stuff (last) Tuesday when she was found. It sort of hit home," Hoffman said. "I didn't realize how close it was. I mean, I grew up fishing there at Lake Hodges where her body was found. I've walked those paths.

"You never really think of something like that happening in your hometown. ... We're just trying to show support of her and try to keep her spirit going with the orange ribbon this week. I didn't know her -- didn't know anything about her. ... But you grew up there.You grew up doing the exact same things she did.

"You don't want to see kids stop running and going around fishing and going around the lake. You just want these guys who have done this stuff to obviously be caught. Hopefully somehow this will stop the predators by people being more aware of the situation."

Escondido, where Mallinger grew up, is about 15 miles north of Poway. Like Hoffman, he spent time at Lake Hodges with his family when he was younger. He knows how the community is grieving.

"Coming from that area, it kind of hits everyone hard,'" Mallinger said. "I've been on that lake, fishing a lot with my family, and to hear that happen is just tragic. ... Hopefully the community can come together and show their support. That's something we're doing this week with the orange ribbons show support for her and our community and her family."

http://www.pgatour.com/2010/r/03/10/orangeribbons/


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Northern Rose on March 10, 2010, 06:23:27 PM
Photos of John Albert Gardner III from the California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation show Gardner in 2000 and 2004.

(http://media.signonsandiego.com/img/photos/2010/03/10/book_t352.JPG?980751187beea6fc26a3a9e93795d379f58af1c4)

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/mar/10/details-of-suspects-past-emerge/


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: klaasend on March 10, 2010, 06:25:54 PM
Photos of John Albert Gardner III from the California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation show Gardner in 2000 and 2004.

(http://media.signonsandiego.com/img/photos/2010/03/10/book_t352.JPG?980751187beea6fc26a3a9e93795d379f58af1c4)

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/mar/10/details-of-suspects-past-emerge/

He's changed alot over the last 10 years

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub8/Integrascan.jpg)


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 10, 2010, 06:45:04 PM
Tons of people have bad childhoods, parents divorce, alcoholics and drug addicts for parents. And a lot of these kids don't turn out to be violent killers. He chose what to do nobody forced him, end of story. If anyone things this stuff is going to throw sympathy his way they are sorely mistaken.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: klaasend on March 10, 2010, 06:50:32 PM
Another email received by me from the "east coast hasher" that just wants to help answer some questions about the Hash House Harrier group.  This person has been very respectful to me in emails and with their approval I'm posting this second email here:

Quote
Klaas,

In the very large section entitled: "Topic: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)", a post by Gypsy DD ends with:  "I would think these people would be more concerned about having had this RSO with them, then about their own upholding of the club."

From my point of view, it has never dawned on me to even even consider whether or not any of our members are RSO.  That is just how small of a part the lewd / sexual component plays in the entirety of our activities.  All of the photos you've seen are either before or after the hash, or at a beer stop in the middle, where we're just goofing around. Since it's very difficult to take pictures while running, you don't see how much time is actually spent on the trail versus stopped. 

But to continue my response to Gypsy, the upholding of our club IS important to us, too. You won't find a single one of us who condone what JAG did, in fact, I'd be very surprised to find any hashers that aren't repulsed by his actions and offended that this is in any way connected to our pastime.  As a group, we are consistently good people.  My own kennel had two charity runs each year. You personally may not approve of our behavior or want to participate, and we would certainly respect that and go out of our way to avoid bothering or offending you.

I think that the heart of the matter you are really seeking is whether JAG participated in the hash runs and if he used the locations of the runs as his stalking grounds.  From what I have read, the HH (mis)management said that they didn't recall him being at any of their hashes. They would have no reason to lie about it. That isn't to say that JAG wouldn't have heard of where the runs were from his mother and gone there at another time.  From the sound of what was posted, the only pictures that link JAG to the hashers is at his own home. (I may be mistaken on that). This, and that his mother and step-dad were hashers, doesn't make him a hasher.  Plus, it would be likely that if he were an active hasher, the photos of him would be labeled with his hash name, not "Just John", which he would be called as a non hasher or for the short time he hashed before he was named.



In the same section, Norther Rose authored a post ending with: "Warning letters about SM linking our members to the vandalism of property of the hashers I take offense to.  We have not fabricated or manufactured the information or images just posted them on one thread.   We have no more control of what "nut-jobs" may or may not do after reading what is posted then they do of what "nut-jobs" may or may not do in the hashs or activites associated with them."

The warning was that there may be a link between the information being posted on SM and that someone has taken action to vandalize the property. We do not know anything for certain, it was only a warning to keep everyone elses' information out of your hands (and off of your website) to avoid the possibility of any more damage if there is some link.  Just as I would wager that the members of HH had no idea that JAG is a RSO, I'd wager that none of you know every person who reads the information you post on SM.

The manufacturing of information I was referring to is the supposition about what was happening in the pictures... hence my taking offense to hashers as a group being called swingers and pedophiles.

The last sentence is EXACTLY what I am trying to get across to everyone on SM!!!  You have no control over what anyone will do with information that they read on SM, so please show some forethought in what information you post, because you DO have control over that.



Also, in the same section of the posts, a post by Tracygirl ends with "Edward sometimes when doing research we come along things which are going to upset people, that is what is happening. It can't stop us."

No one is trying to stop you, nor do we want to stop you from your activity.  We would think, though, that out of (a) respect and (b) the view that everyone is innocent until proven guilty that you'd not post anyone's personal information in the same discussion where you seem to be denouncing them as judge and jury.  How will your membership feel if someone takes information directly off this website to go and seek revenge on JAG's mom, step-dad, or any of the hashers?  Isn't that the same kind of thing you all denounce?  Then please do not hand someone the tools to do it... can you understand someone being upset by that?



Thanks again, Klaas!


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: bananas on March 10, 2010, 06:53:46 PM
EXCLUSIVE: A MISSING LINK: A BLACK NISSAN SENTRA AND THE GIRLFRIEND OF ACCUSED KILLER JOHN GARDNER: NOT CONNECTING THE DOTS PRIOR TO THE MURDER OF CHELSEA KING

The Enterprise Report has learned exclusively that a black 2002 Nissan Sentra 4-door, driven by now indicted murder suspect and convicted sex offender John Albert Gardner and registered to a 'girlfriend' of Gardner may be a key link between a number of cases of alleged murder, attempted murder and other attempted abductions of young girls in both Riverside and San Diego County prior to the killing of 17-year old teenager Chelsea King last month.

TER has confirmed that the 2002 car in question is now in the custody of San Diego County Sheriff's crime lab and is being tested for evidence in the Chelsea King case, as well as other cases of missing or attempted abductions of young women that police believe may be linked to accused killer John Gardner.

TER has obtained a recent traffic citation that shows a crucial link between Gardner, a woman named Jariah Baker and addresses in both Riverside and San Diego County in early 2010 only weeks prior the murder of Chelsea King.

MORE....

http://theenterprisereport.typepad.com/news/2010/03/exclusive-sex-offender-john-gardner-chelsea-king-and-the-missing-link-a-black-car.html

This is what I have feared... more victims.  I too believe JAG was most likely active ever since he was released from jail. 

I bet this girlfriend's world is rocking and reeling under all of this.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: labubske on March 10, 2010, 07:14:25 PM
could this be JAG's myspace page? myspace.com/jason6the9stud  Check it out...it is first on this girlfriends page (or ex)...she has commented numerous times.  And read the description.  Sorry if I am wrong.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: labubske on March 10, 2010, 07:15:10 PM
could this be JAG's myspace page? myspace.com/jason6the9stud  Check it out...it is first on this girlfriends page (or ex)...she has commented numerous times.  And read the description.  Sorry if I am wrong.

oh and the last log in date was feb 25


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 10, 2010, 07:20:08 PM
Responding to the second email from the hasher. I'm sure that most of the hashers would not approve or condone a RSO. I understand that you want to make your point of that and I don't blame you. I certainly have no business telling an adult like yourself that you have no business being in a group like this. If nobody is being harmed I don't care if you are a hasher or whatever, it is none of my business. I think most of us are concerned about this particular group in San Diego where Gardner's mom is a member. There are far more groups of people that do things that most people may find objectionable, then what you as hashers do. I certainly have nothing against you, and appreciate your explaining.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: labubske on March 10, 2010, 07:39:11 PM
could this be JAG's myspace page? myspace.com/jason6the9stud  Check it out...it is first on this girlfriends page (or ex)...she has commented numerous times.  And read the description.  Sorry if I am wrong.

oh and the last log in date was feb 25

He has only two friends...both previous gfs!  Hmmm...his mood on feb 25 is shown as betrayed!


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: bananas on March 10, 2010, 07:41:52 PM
could this be JAG's myspace page? myspace.com/jason6the9stud  Check it out...it is first on this girlfriends page (or ex)...she has commented numerous times.  And read the description.  Sorry if I am wrong.

oh and the last log in date was feb 25

This person is the right age as well..... unsure though.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: labubske on March 10, 2010, 07:47:22 PM
could this be JAG's myspace page? myspace.com/jason6the9stud  Check it out...it is first on this girlfriends page (or ex)...she has commented numerous times.  And read the description.  Sorry if I am wrong.

oh and the last log in date was feb 25

This person is the right age as well..... unsure though.

me too...that is why I posted it to see what you all thought!  But, it is interesting that his only two friends are two of his past girlfriends.  Last log in Feb 25...mood of betrayal.  The sexual nature.  No pic (sex offender and could be identified possibly) Fake name, but of course.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: klaasend on March 10, 2010, 07:47:59 PM
Yep, it's him.

Edited to add:  I'm not sure but I'd bet it's him


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Tracygirl on March 10, 2010, 07:59:52 PM
Responding to the second email from the hasher. I'm sure that most of the hashers would not approve or condone a RSO. I understand that you want to make your point of that and I don't blame you. I certainly have no business telling an adult like yourself that you have no business being in a group like this. If nobody is being harmed I don't care if you are a hasher or whatever, it is none of my business. I think most of us are concerned about this particular group in San Diego where Gardner's mom is a member. There are far more groups of people that do things that most people may find objectionable, then what you as hashers do. I certainly have nothing against you, and appreciate your explaining.

I have written out several responses and have deleted them all. I am left with saying what I first said...In the course of researching there are times we come across things which will upset people, we cannot allow that to stop us. Their runs are relevant to Gardner, like it or not.  I hope and pray the information provided will uncover any other possible victims. The thought of another young girl buried in an unmarked grave along some lonely trail is just too much for me to handle.

If I can offer some advice. What I think will work better for your group is if you issued a statement saying you do not condone the murdering and raping of people and you are sorry if by any chance Gardner was somehow wrongly encouraged by a hashers group to partake in any such activity as he is being accused of.

That may help to calm the fire. Having posters on the net calling anyone who is posting old prudes, well that aint gonna get the job done!


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Tracygirl on March 10, 2010, 08:07:04 PM
Yep, it's him.

Edited to add:  I'm not sure but I'd bet it's him

hmm interesting sounds like a real nice guy. Did you read the general info?


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 10, 2010, 08:16:25 PM
Responding to the second email from the hasher. I'm sure that most of the hashers would not approve or condone a RSO. I understand that you want to make your point of that and I don't blame you. I certainly have no business telling an adult like yourself that you have no business being in a group like this. If nobody is being harmed I don't care if you are a hasher or whatever, it is none of my business. I think most of us are concerned about this particular group in San Diego where Gardner's mom is a member. There are far more groups of people that do things that most people may find objectionable, then what you as hashers do. I certainly have nothing against you, and appreciate your explaining.

I have written out several responses and have deleted them all. I am left with saying what I first said...In the course of researching there are times we come across things which will upset people, we cannot allow that to stop us. Their runs are relevant to Gardner, like it or not.  I hope and pray the information provided will uncover any other possible victims. The thought of another young girl buried in an unmarked grave along some lonely trail is just too much for me to handle.

If I can offer some advice. What I think will work better for your group is if you issued a statement saying you do not condone the murdering and raping of people and you are sorry if by any chance Gardner was somehow wrongly encouraged by a hashers group to partake in any such activity as he is being accused of.

That may help to calm the fire. Having posters on the net calling anyone who is posting old prudes, well that aint gonna get the job done!
I know my views on this might be upsetting people, I also believe this particular group that Gardner's mom belongs to is definitely relevant, I just don't understand why other hashers in other parts matter to this case. I would appreciate someone explaining this to me. What really does it matter what this hasher on the East Coast does? We can't stop them from doing this and I'm sure most of these people are not harmful, sure there are people that think what they do is immoral, but there are a lot of things that are immoral.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: mizjay on March 10, 2010, 08:26:25 PM
Responding to the second email from the hasher. I'm sure that most of the hashers would not approve or condone a RSO. I understand that you want to make your point of that and I don't blame you. I certainly have no business telling an adult like yourself that you have no business being in a group like this. If nobody is being harmed I don't care if you are a hasher or whatever, it is none of my business. I think most of us are concerned about this particular group in San Diego where Gardner's mom is a member. There are far more groups of people that do things that most people may find objectionable, then what you as hashers do. I certainly have nothing against you, and appreciate your explaining.

I have written out several responses and have deleted them all. I am left with saying what I first said...In the course of researching there are times we come across things which will upset people, we cannot allow that to stop us. Their runs are relevant to Gardner, like it or not.  I hope and pray the information provided will uncover any other possible victims. The thought of another young girl buried in an unmarked grave along some lonely trail is just too much for me to handle.

If I can offer some advice. What I think will work better for your group is if you issued a statement saying you do not condone the murdering and raping of people and you are sorry if by any chance Gardner was somehow wrongly encouraged by a hashers group to partake in any such activity as he is being accused of.

That may help to calm the fire. Having posters on the net calling anyone who is posting old prudes, well that aint gonna get the job done!
Tracy and NRCG ~ great posts.   Being a victim of JAG or any SO can happen to anyone, even a Hasher. JAG's close association with this SD group is relevant and venting rudely at the public gives the impression that this crime is not the important issue. All the diatribes are focused on what's being reported about them, not about the fact that JAG was on the fringe of the HH and that very possibly the intense , detailed knowledge of local backcountry frequented by the HH may have played an integral part in his brutal rapes and murder(s)   


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Missiontoconvict on March 10, 2010, 09:00:41 PM
could this be JAG's myspace page? myspace.com/jason6the9stud  Check it out...it is first on this girlfriends page (or ex)...she has commented numerous times.  And read the description.  Sorry if I am wrong.
Photo has been removed hmmmmm.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: theboyzmom on March 10, 2010, 09:01:09 PM
Responding to the second email from the hasher. I'm sure that most of the hashers would not approve or condone a RSO. I understand that you want to make your point of that and I don't blame you. I certainly have no business telling an adult like yourself that you have no business being in a group like this. If nobody is being harmed I don't care if you are a hasher or whatever, it is none of my business. I think most of us are concerned about this particular group in San Diego where Gardner's mom is a member. There are far more groups of people that do things that most people may find objectionable, then what you as hashers do. I certainly have nothing against you, and appreciate your explaining.

NRCG - I agree. I think his letter was well written and well thought out. I know that many groups have "affiliate" groups that do not adhere to the same group behavior as is expected by the head group. No one can control what people do and use the name of the group. It is not improbably in my mind that the group with JAG's parents in it was a more radical group than many. That SHOULD NOT be a reflection on the group as a whole - bad apples occur in small and large groups. It is the nature of having a group of people together.  I really think, and this is IMOO, we should only make comments that relate to the specific group in question - not the larger group as a whole. Generalizations are always dangerous things.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Babybear on March 10, 2010, 09:07:26 PM
I too, wish to comment on the second letter from the Hasher.  The information which has been posted on this forum, the nicknames, the pictures, the announcements, all came from the SD Hasher website.  No one here made it up.  Shortly after it started appearing here, all of the info on the HH website was removed as fast as possible, but not without some of it being captured by various SM members.  If they were proud, or even if they were not ashamed of what they do, they would have proudly left it up.  They did not.  That, to me, speaks volumes about the Hashers, and it is not flattering.  The most appropriate comparison I can make is when you turn over a rock, a lot of nasty things scramble away.

Insofar as the Hashers being doctors, lawyers, lE, etc. in many instances people in these professions and others sign contracts which have morals clauses, designed to eliminate people who behave as these IMO sexual libertines seem to do.  While I certainly wouldn't do so, there may be people who wish to enlighten some of the employers of some of these people as to their extracuricular activities. There should be no problem if they aren't ashamed of what they do during these "Runs."


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 10, 2010, 09:11:16 PM
Responding to the second email from the hasher. I'm sure that most of the hashers would not approve or condone a RSO. I understand that you want to make your point of that and I don't blame you. I certainly have no business telling an adult like yourself that you have no business being in a group like this. If nobody is being harmed I don't care if you are a hasher or whatever, it is none of my business. I think most of us are concerned about this particular group in San Diego where Gardner's mom is a member. There are far more groups of people that do things that most people may find objectionable, then what you as hashers do. I certainly have nothing against you, and appreciate your explaining.

NRCG - I agree. I think his letter was well written and well thought out. I know that many groups have "affiliate" groups that do not adhere to the same group behavior as is expected by the head group. No one can control what people do and use the name of the group. It is not improbably in my mind that the group with JAG's parents in it was a more radical group than many. That SHOULD NOT be a reflection on the group as a whole - bad apples occur in small and large groups. It is the nature of having a group of people together.  I really think, and this is IMOO, we should only make comments that relate to the specific group in question - not the larger group as a whole. Generalizations are always dangerous things.
You worded it so much better than I, thank-you, that is exactly what I was trying to say  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Northern Rose on March 10, 2010, 09:13:29 PM
could this be JAG's myspace page? myspace.com/jason6the9stud  Check it out...it is first on this girlfriends page (or ex)...she has commented numerous times.  And read the description.  Sorry if I am wrong.
Photo has been removed hmmmmm.

Status is interesting in that at one time this person had a truck

Energizer Bunny I'm poor, homeless and living in my truck.
Posted at 9:15 PM May 20, 2008


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Missiontoconvict on March 10, 2010, 09:14:20 PM
I too, wish to comment on the second letter from the Hasher.  The information which has been posted on this forum, the nicknames, the pictures, the announcements, all came from the SD Hasher website.  No one here made it up.  Shortly after it started appearing here, all of the info on the HH website was removed as fast as possible, but not without some of it being captured by various SM members.  If they were proud, or even if they were not ashamed of what they do, they would have proudly left it up.  They did not.  That, to me, speaks volumes about the Hashers, and it is not flattering.  The most appropriate comparison I can make is when you turn over a rock, a lot of nasty things scramble away.

Insofar as the Hashers being doctors, lawyers, lE, etc. in many instances people in these professions and others sign contracts which have morals clauses, designed to eliminate people who behave as these IMO sexual libertines seem to do.  While I certainly wouldn't do so, there may be people who wish to enlighten some of the employers of some of these people as to their extracuricular activities. There should be no problem if they aren't ashamed of what they do during these "Runs."
"AMEN"


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Tracygirl on March 10, 2010, 09:14:51 PM
Responding to the second email from the hasher. I'm sure that most of the hashers would not approve or condone a RSO. I understand that you want to make your point of that and I don't blame you. I certainly have no business telling an adult like yourself that you have no business being in a group like this. If nobody is being harmed I don't care if you are a hasher or whatever, it is none of my business. I think most of us are concerned about this particular group in San Diego where Gardner's mom is a member. There are far more groups of people that do things that most people may find objectionable, then what you as hashers do. I certainly have nothing against you, and appreciate your explaining.

I have written out several responses and have deleted them all. I am left with saying what I first said...In the course of researching there are times we come across things which will upset people, we cannot allow that to stop us. Their runs are relevant to Gardner, like it or not.  I hope and pray the information provided will uncover any other possible victims. The thought of another young girl buried in an unmarked grave along some lonely trail is just too much for me to handle.

If I can offer some advice. What I think will work better for your group is if you issued a statement saying you do not condone the murdering and raping of people and you are sorry if by any chance Gardner was somehow wrongly encouraged by a hashers group to partake in any such activity as he is being accused of.

That may help to calm the fire. Having posters on the net calling anyone who is posting old prudes, well that aint gonna get the job done!
I know my views on this might be upsetting people, I also believe this particular group that Gardner's mom belongs to is definitely relevant, I just don't understand why other hashers in other parts matter to this case. I would appreciate someone explaining this to me. What really does it matter what this hasher on the East Coast does? We can't stop them from doing this and I'm sure most of these people are not harmful, sure there are people that think what they do is immoral, but there are a lot of things that are immoral.

I only care about the san diego hashers it is the only group I looked at pics that I am aware. Do I approve of this behavior, personally no but that is my opinion.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: labubske on March 10, 2010, 09:17:15 PM
could this be JAG's myspace page? myspace.com/jason6the9stud  Check it out...it is first on this girlfriends page (or ex)...she has commented numerous times.  And read the description.  Sorry if I am wrong.
Photo has been removed hmmmmm.

Status is interesting in that at one time this person had a truck

Energizer Bunny I'm poor, homeless and living in my truck.
Posted at 9:15 PM May 20, 2008
I was thinking the same thing...they should consider pulling this up to follow his status.  I bet it may very well be interesting...and may even give clues.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 10, 2010, 09:34:52 PM
Responding to the second email from the hasher. I'm sure that most of the hashers would not approve or condone a RSO. I understand that you want to make your point of that and I don't blame you. I certainly have no business telling an adult like yourself that you have no business being in a group like this. If nobody is being harmed I don't care if you are a hasher or whatever, it is none of my business. I think most of us are concerned about this particular group in San Diego where Gardner's mom is a member. There are far more groups of people that do things that most people may find objectionable, then what you as hashers do. I certainly have nothing against you, and appreciate your explaining.

I have written out several responses and have deleted them all. I am left with saying what I first said...In the course of researching there are times we come across things which will upset people, we cannot allow that to stop us. Their runs are relevant to Gardner, like it or not.  I hope and pray the information provided will uncover any other possible victims. The thought of another young girl buried in an unmarked grave along some lonely trail is just too much for me to handle.

If I can offer some advice. What I think will work better for your group is if you issued a statement saying you do not condone the murdering and raping of people and you are sorry if by any chance Gardner was somehow wrongly encouraged by a hashers group to partake in any such activity as he is being accused of.

That may help to calm the fire. Having posters on the net calling anyone who is posting old prudes, well that aint gonna get the job done!
I know my views on this might be upsetting people, I also believe this particular group that Gardner's mom belongs to is definitely relevant, I just don't understand why other hashers in other parts matter to this case. I would appreciate someone explaining this to me. What really does it matter what this hasher on the East Coast does? We can't stop them from doing this and I'm sure most of these people are not harmful, sure there are people that think what they do is immoral, but there are a lot of things that are immoral.

I only care about the san diego hashers it is the only group I looked at pics that I am aware. Do I approve of this behavior, personally no but that is my opinion.
It is definitely nothing that I would get involved with, believe me, wouldn't even consider it for a second. I'm just not an outgoing person, and I'm as serious as a heart attack, they wouldn't even want me which is a good thing for me.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Tracygirl on March 10, 2010, 09:43:33 PM
could this be JAG's myspace page? myspace.com/jason6the9stud  Check it out...it is first on this girlfriends page (or ex)...she has commented numerous times.  And read the description.  Sorry if I am wrong.
Photo has been removed hmmmmm.

Status is interesting in that at one time this person had a truck

Energizer Bunny I'm poor, homeless and living in my truck.
Posted at 9:15 PM May 20, 2008
I was thinking the same thing...they should consider pulling this up to follow his status.  I bet it may very well be interesting...and may even give clues.

If this is his myspace, the above comment should surely be looked into.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: cartfly on March 11, 2010, 12:38:54 AM
In all fairness to most of the Hashers, they just don't want to be in the limelight and who could blame them.  They don't want to be associated with JAG and I don't blame them for that either.  What JAG did is not the fault of the Hashing community as a whole even if JAG's motives end up linking back to some of the Hasher run trails. 
I completely agree Klaas.
I do think the G rated hashing groups would be fun thing to do to unwind.
However, I have a problem with the group (Sn Diego-HH) that gets nude in public or verbalises the "sexual" nicknames in public, where children may be present such as in a public park. I would be horrified if one of my kids came across a partially clothed or nude person jogging or sitting on a block of ice...Now, how the h*** am I going to explain that to my 3 year old? (he already likes being naked as it is. If he saw that, he would never wear clothes!! ::MonkeyHaHa::)
I would rather see the more "risque" groups that have naked rituals do so in a private setting (someones house) rather than in a public area. Public nudity is still illegal right ?

I think the email from the East Coast hasher had many valid points. I respect that he/she took the time to explain the groups activites.The emails were very well written and honest. I hope he does understand we weren't questioning all hashers, just those with HH in San Diego.

Unfortunately, the implications of what JAG has done will be far reaching into so many peoples lives, the SD hashers included.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: klaasend on March 11, 2010, 09:42:28 AM
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/mar/11/forensic-scientists-look-for-answers/

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March 10, 2010 | Photo by K.C. Alfred

Investigators this week searched in the area where the skeletal remains of Amber Dubois were found.



Forensic scientists look for answers
Many variables confront investigations of deaths of 2 North County teens


By John Wilkens, UNION-TRIBUNE STAFF WRITER

Thursday, March 11, 2010 at 12:04 a.m.

Forensic scientists investigating the deaths of two North County teens already know the “who” — Chelsea King and Amber Dubois. Now they’re focused on the “when” and the “how.”

Each case presents its own challenges, and the answers aren’t likely to be as simple — or come as quickly — as the TV franchise “CSI” makes the process appear.

“There are just so many variables,” said Dr. Harry Bonnell, a former San Diego County deputy medical examiner now in private practice.

Variables such as where the bodies were buried, how deeply and for how long.

Although tedious or gruesome, the details they unearth will play a key role in any criminal prosecution. John Albert Gardner III, 30, a convicted sex offender, has been charged with murdering and raping Chelsea and is a focus of Amber’s case.

Even before a judge issued a gag order Tuesday, investigators were tight-lipped about both cases. Little is known publicly beyond when and where remains were found.

Chelsea, a 17-year-old Poway High School senior, disappeared Feb. 25 while running at Rancho Bernardo Community Park on dirt trails that border Lake Hodges. A body was found five days later in a shallow grave near the water, and Gardner was charged in her death.

Amber, 14, vanished Feb. 13, 2009, while walking to Escondido High School. Her skeletal remains, identified through dental records, were found Saturday off a narrow, winding road north of the Pala Indian Reservation.

From a forensic standpoint, a case like Chelsea’s would probably be pretty straightforward, said Bonnell, who performed about 7,000 autopsies during his 20-year career as a medical examiner and now reviews about 150 cases yearly, mostly as a criminal-defense expert.

He said he wouldn’t expect much decomposition because of the time frame, because it was rainy and cool outside — cooler weather slows the process — and because the body was buried.

The more intact a body, the easier it is to determine certain kinds of trauma such as strangling or knife wounds, Bonnell said.

Burial would lessen the chance that insect or animal activity had disturbed the body.

A typical autopsy — county pathologists conduct 3,000 annually — takes about four hours. They’re done in the county Medical Examiner’s Office, a $73 million facility in Kearny Mesa that opened three months ago. The office has a staff of 50 and an annual budget of $8 million.

Once an exam is finished, the pathologist decides on the cause of death and the manner, such as homicide, accident, natural, suicide or undetermined. In Chelsea’s case, those findings have been sealed.

Amber’s case is more complicated. “Skeletal remains are among the most difficult, if not the most difficult, cases we have,” said Greg Wyatt, Sacramento County coroner.

The site typically becomes an archaeological dig, excavated layer by layer. Nothing is removed until it is fully exposed, photographed and mapped. Sides of a makeshift grave are examined for marks that might reveal what kind of tool was used. Soil under the skeleton is tested to see if decomposition happened there or if the remains had been moved. The work often takes more than a week.

Forensic entomologists, who study insect activity as a way to determine time of death, are sometimes called in. David Faulkner, an entomologist from San Diego, said there aren’t usually live insects around skeletons, but they sometimes leave traces.

“You can’t tell when the person died exactly, but you may be able to determine the season of the year based upon pupae cases and other insect detritus in the soil,” he said. “If you find sufficient pupae of a cold weather species of insect, you can roughly estimate how long the body has been there.”

Forensic anthropologists — bone experts — also play a role, both at the scene and in the lab. Elizabeth Miller, who does such work for law enforcement in Los Angeles, said she’s looking for bullet holes, blunt-force fractures, knife marks.

“But most skeletonized remains you don’t find a lot of signs of trauma,” said Miller, an anthropology professor at California State University Los Angeles.

That makes it hard to determine a cause of death, although sometimes clothing is found with cuts or tears in them that can be revealing. Bonnell and Wyatt said it’s common in skeletal cases to never figure out the cause. But that doesn’t preclude examiners from reaching a conclusion on the manner of death.

In the case of Chandra Levy, the Washington, D.C., intern from Modesto who was missing for 13 months before her remains were found in a park in May 2002, the medical examiner couldn’t say how she died. But because her running pants were found with no bones in them — and with unusual knots in the legs — authorities concluded there was foul play and her death was a homicide.

Her accused killer is awaiting trial.

And even when they can’t pinpoint a cause or manner of death, pathologists are sometimes able to identify a time range — in the Levy case, they said the remains were “consistent” with her having died on or about the day she disappeared.

Such a finding can bring some solace to families tortured by the idea that — if they had searched harder or longer — they would have been able to find their loved one alive.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Northern Rose on March 11, 2010, 12:34:51 PM
Accused Killer Remembered

Bipolar disorder. Sexual molestation by a male family member. Anger management issues that frequently got him in trouble with teachers. Wacky, unpredictable behavior.

These are among the ingredients in the background of John Albert Gardner III, the 1997 Rim High School graduate charged with the capital murder of Poway high school student Chelsea King and with assaulting a female jogger.

Insights into Gardner's troubled past were provided to The Mountain News this week by Jennifer Maylone Brandt, a Rim classmate of Gardner's who was in his inner circle of friends for three years after their high school graduation.

Brandt, who now lives in Indianapolis, Ind., contacted the newspaper after hearing of Gardner's arrest in a text message sent by another classmate, who now lives in San Bernardino.

Though she was aware of Gardner while both were still students, Brandt said she didn't really get to know him until the year after they graduated.

Then, from 1998 into 2000, Brandt (then known as Jennifer Maylone) and a handful of Gardner's buddies would hang out, going rock climbing in Cedar Glen, watching TV at Maylone's grandparents' home in Crestline or eating fast food together, she said.

FRIENDSHIP ENDS

For Brandt and the others, that friendship ended in 2000 when Gardner was convicted of committing a lewd act on a 13-year-old girl.

"It was a devastating blow to find out he did it," she said. "It was a complete shock to us. He was a guy we'd known and grown up with, and then, bam!"

Brandt said Gardner had told his friends he was innocent of the sexual assault, blaming it on the girl's boyfriend, who may or may not have been a real person. Gardner told them, she said, that the victim didn't want to break up with the boyfriend and didn't want her parents to know she'd had sex, so she pointed the finger at Gardner.

Convicted and sentenced to six years in prison, Gardner served five years and completed his three-year probation in 2008. The brevity of his incarceration and probation have prompted many to question why he was on the streets and allegedly able to abduct and kill King, who was attacked while jogging near Lake Hodges in Rancho Bernardo last month.

During their three-year friendship, Brandt said she witnessed dramatic mood swings in Gardner.

"He was all over the place," she said. "He'd be happy one day and talking about committing suicide the next."

But nothing he did hinted at a propensity to commit sex crimes, Brandt said. "He was a good friend back then. He was fun and wacky and sweet," she said. "None of us friends believed him capable of the horrific crimes he is now known to have committed."

MOOD SWINGS

Brandt said Gardner had admitted to her that he had bipolar disorder, a condition in which moods can swing from manic to depressive. His bipolarity, she said, may have contributed to his "getting into things like stealing from grocery stores."

She recalled one instance in which, on a visit to Gardner at his mother's Rancho Bernardo townhouse, she drove him to a market. "He came out with two bottles of liquor in his pants, which he'd stolen. I think it was kind of a thrill thing for him," she said.

On another occasion, when he may also have been experiencing a manic high, Brandt said he announced to her he wanted to "streak" the 7-11 store in Lake Arrowhead. She drove him to the store one night around midnight, and waited outside in the car.

"He went in naked, with a bag on his head," she said. "There was no one in the store, so he waited until the clerk came back in and he yelled, 'I'm naked!' and ran back out. He wasn't ashamed of being naked."


Brandt said she recalls Gardner telling her his mother, a single, working mom, as she recollects, worked at Patton State Hospital. On one occasion, he told her, she'd gotten him committed for some reason.

"He proudly claimed, like Houdini, that he could work his way out of a straitjacket," she said. "He was quite proud of himself for that."

SEXUAL ABUSE

Something Gardner shared with Brandt might have been another significant impact on his developing personality. He once confided in her, she said, that he had been sexually abused by a male family member on repeated occasions. Though she said she knows how they were related, she declined to identify that relationship.

Though the two were not close in school, Brandt had made some observations of Gardner and his activities. He enjoyed audio-visual classes, she said, and made films with some friends who shared that interest. He also sang in the school choir, and would frequently sing around his friends.

But even in those days, she said, there was a darker side to Gardner.

"I didn't have any classes with him," she said. "I'd see him in the hallways. I remember his being angry a lot. He had temper issues." His rage would get him into trouble because it triggered confrontations with teachers, Brandt said.

Though Gardner's arrest report lists him as 6-2 and 230 pounds-middle linebacker size-Brandt said Gardner didn't play sports at Rim. She characterized him as "a nerd," and said he was "an average-sized guy" while an undergraduate.

When not displaying anger, Brandt said, Gardner had impressed her as "soft spoken, but nothing feminine."

Brandt, who moved off the mountain in 2002, relocated to Indiana in 2007 when her husband's job situation changed. Now, a decade later and from 2,000 miles away, she stressed the shock she and other friends of Gardner experienced when he was convicted of the sex crime in 2000, particularly because he'd insisted he was innocent.

'STUPID KIDS'

"We rallied around him on his day in court," she said. "We were 19, 20 at the time. We were stupid kids. He'd never done anything like that before; why would he do it now? It was so not like him."

In San Diego County, the authorities think otherwise. According to the criminal complaint issued against him, the 30-year-old former Running Springs resident is charged with one count of murder with a special included allegation of murder committed during the course of rape or attempted rape.

That allegation could lead to the death penalty, according to court records. Gardner is also charged with one count of assault with intent to commit rape in an attack on a female jogger last Dec. 27.

That attack, authorities say, occurred on a path in a park near Lake Hodges, a short distance from where Chelsea King was last seen. The victim escaped without serious injury.

San Diego sheriff's documents show Gardner's next appearance in court is scheduled for Aug. 4, when his case will be assigned to a judge for a preliminary hearing. Court observers predict it may take as long as a year for Gardner's trial to begin, since proceedings in death-penalty cases are complex.

http://www.crestlinecourier-news.com/articles/2010/03/11/news/news1.txt


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Northern Rose on March 11, 2010, 12:38:43 PM
Central file on Gardner is kept unavailable

SACRAMENTO— Under court order, state prison officials last month released 120 pages of parole field records tracking the man charged with holding Jaycee Lee Dugard captive for 18 years.

The records contained embarrassing revelations of lax oversight and cursory checks regarding supervision of Phillip Garrido, a convicted sex offender. Agents noted “weird” behavior on visits but left in less than 10 minutes. At one point, a young girl was spotted in the home but Garrido claimed she was his niece.

So, could parole agents have had similar troubling lapses when monitoring John Albert Gardner III — charged with rape and murder in the death of Poway teenager Chelsea King — while he was under their watch from 2005 to 2008 for a previous sex crime? The public has no way to know.

The State Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation has declined repeated requests since Friday to release Gardner’s central file with prison and parole records, including pertinent information from the field notes.

Officials cite privacy considerations and a desire to avoid hampering the investigation. They also began citing a court-imposed gag order when it was issued Tuesday.

“Helping law enforcement is our first priority,” said department spokesman Gordon Hinkle.

Terry Francke of Californians Aware, a Sacramento nonprofit dedicated to government transparency, said such records can shed light on whether there has been negligence or errors on the part of law enforcement.

“It should be known who missed the call and what kind of system it is that allows obvious signs of disturbing tendencies to slip through the cracks,” Francke said. “I am not talking about a witch hunt. I am saying unless the basic facts come out … the whole thing will die down and nothing will be done.”

In the Garrido case, The Sacramento Bee reported that state prison officials refused to release his records for weeks. Suing, the Bee and other media outlets forced the state to turn over Garrido’s field file, which suggested that parole officials may have missed opportunities to rescue his victim sooner.

Gardner’s field file has been destroyed under a state policy — overturned by the governor Tuesday — that allowed officials to shred or burn those records one year after the person was discharged from parole. A registered sex offender, Gardner served five years of a six-year prison sentence and finished his parole in 2008. He is also a focus of the investigation into the death of 14-year-old Amber Dubois of Escondido.

As of late yesterday, authorities had not released Gardner’s central file, even though the Garrido case could be viewed as freeing them to do so. There was a also court-issued gag order in the Garrido case at the time his field files were ordered released.

In his Feb. 5 order, Sacramento County Superior Court Judge Patrick Marlette said, in part, “the public interest in disclosure in this case outweighs the interest in confidentiality.”

However, Marlette did agree to hold further hearings on some other documents, such as those involving medical and psychological reviews.

Hinkle, the corrections spokesman, said the Garrido case does not set precedent for the release of Gardner’s records.

Garrido’s case involved field files on a parolee under the state’s direct supervision, while Gardner has been off parole for nearly two years, Hinkle said.

Also, the only surviving documents kept on Gardner are in the central file, which has never been fully released and was not specifically cited in the court order involving Garrido’s records, Hinkle said.

Nevertheless, Hinkle said that more information should be forthcoming after it is reviewed by authorities in San Diego building the case against Gardner, as well as the judge who issued the gag order, David Danielsen.

“I don’t think anybody can fault us for being careful,” Hinkle said.

Francke countered, “We’re not talking about evidence of this person’s guilt. … We’re talking about evidence of the competence and care taken in the supervision of this person.”

Tuesday, Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger ordered officials to keep parole records and release more documents after revelations that the field files were routinely destroyed after a year.

“It is in the best interest of public safety to retain all information on these individuals and to make as much information as possible available and transparent,” Schwarzenegger said.

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/mar/11/central-file-on-gardner-is-kept-unavailable/


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: bananas on March 11, 2010, 12:41:43 PM
Northern Rose... thanks for the article.. very interesting.

Gives some insight into JAG.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Tracygirl on March 11, 2010, 01:07:27 PM
His mother drove him to 7-11 and allowed him to streak? If that is true, i think she can pretty much forget ever receiving mother of the year. WTH?

It seems that he was not getting what he needed as a child if this was the type of "help" mommy gave him, but you know what? He did become an adult and he could have gotten help. We all come to a point in our lives we need to help ourselves and take responsibility for our actions. Nothing I have read about him so far leads me to consider he was so mentally ill he didn't know right from wrong.
 


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 11, 2010, 01:09:25 PM
Northern Rose... thanks for the article.. very interesting.

Gives some insight into JAG.
Yes thanks, very interesting.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Northern Rose on March 11, 2010, 01:13:54 PM
His mother drove him to 7-11 and allowed him to streak? If that is true, i think she can pretty much forget ever receiving mother of the year. WTH?

It seems that he was not getting what he needed as a child if this was the type of "help" mommy gave him, but you know what? He did become an adult and he could have gotten help. We all come to a point in our lives we need to help ourselves and take responsibility for our actions. Nothing I have read about him so far leads me to consider he was so mentally ill he didn't know right from wrong.
 

The way I read it was that they were at his mother's condo and he asked the friend to drive him so he could streak. 


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Tracygirl on March 11, 2010, 01:16:47 PM
His mother drove him to 7-11 and allowed him to streak? If that is true, i think she can pretty much forget ever receiving mother of the year. WTH?

It seems that he was not getting what he needed as a child if this was the type of "help" mommy gave him, but you know what? He did become an adult and he could have gotten help. We all come to a point in our lives we need to help ourselves and take responsibility for our actions. Nothing I have read about him so far leads me to consider he was so mentally ill he didn't know right from wrong.
 

The way I read it was that they were at his mother's condo and he asked the friend to drive him so he could streak. 

Thank you for clarifying that NorRose.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: bananas on March 11, 2010, 02:35:33 PM
His mother drove him to 7-11 and allowed him to streak? If that is true, i think she can pretty much forget ever receiving mother of the year. WTH?

It seems that he was not getting what he needed as a child if this was the type of "help" mommy gave him, but you know what? He did become an adult and he could have gotten help. We all come to a point in our lives we need to help ourselves and take responsibility for our actions. Nothing I have read about him so far leads me to consider he was so mentally ill he didn't know right from wrong.
 

The way I read it was that they were at his mother's condo and he asked the friend to drive him so he could streak. 

Yes that is how I took it to read as well.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: cookie on March 11, 2010, 03:35:40 PM
His mother drove him to 7-11 and allowed him to streak? If that is true, i think she can pretty much forget ever receiving mother of the year. WTH?

It seems that he was not getting what he needed as a child if this was the type of "help" mommy gave him, but you know what? He did become an adult and he could have gotten help. We all come to a point in our lives we need to help ourselves and take responsibility for our actions. Nothing I have read about him so far leads me to consider he was so mentally ill he didn't know right from wrong.
 

The way I read it was that they were at his mother's condo and he asked the friend to drive him so he could streak. 

Yes that is how I took it to read as well.

yes..me as well...although it strikes me as his streaking at a 7/11 would be something that his mother might find hilarious...from what I have read about her and her group of pals...jmo...


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Ampersand on March 11, 2010, 04:09:38 PM
http://www.sdnn.com/sandiego/2010-03-11/local-county-news/new-details-reveal-that-john-gardner-fathered-twins

Am I the only one seeing a resemblance to Chelsea and the woman who allegedly is the mother of JAGs twins?


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: labubske on March 11, 2010, 04:13:44 PM
http://www.sdnn.com/sandiego/2010-03-11/local-county-news/new-details-reveal-that-john-gardner-fathered-twins

Am I the only one seeing a resemblance to Chelsea and the woman who allegedly is the mother of JAGs twins?

Yes...there seems to be.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: labubske on March 11, 2010, 04:15:07 PM
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2009/jun/15/bn15attempt-kidnap-girl/

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2009/may/23/1m23pubsafe234233-public-safety/

http://apps.sdsheriff.net/press/Default.aspx?FileLink=2e53c656-9c35-4aa9-b992-b48de60cd916

http://apps.sdsheriff.net/press/Default.aspx?FileLink=fcb085af-1a0d-43d3-a8a4-144b88e7c3e6

http://apps.sdsheriff.net/press/Default.aspx?FileLink=0009e5b4-0daa-425a-8662-b2d0af159586

As I was looking around for unsolved kidnappings, murders, sexual assaults and so on...I found these links.  It seems that there is another man trying to abduct kids in the area.  Just FYI...


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Missiontoconvict on March 11, 2010, 04:34:39 PM
His mother drove him to 7-11 and allowed him to streak? If that is true, i think she can pretty much forget ever receiving mother of the year. WTH?

It seems that he was not getting what he needed as a child if this was the type of "help" mommy gave him, but you know what? He did become an adult and he could have gotten help. We all come to a point in our lives we need to help ourselves and take responsibility for our actions. Nothing I have read about him so far leads me to consider he was so mentally ill he didn't know right from wrong.
 

The way I read it was that they were at his mother's condo and he asked the friend to drive him so he could streak. 

Yes that is how I took it to read as well.

yes..me as well...although it strikes me as his streaking at a 7/11 would be something that his mother might find hilarious...from what I have read about her and her group of pals...jmo...
:smt045 :smt045


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Northern Rose on March 11, 2010, 04:37:40 PM
New details reveal that John Gardner fathered twins  (with video)

We’re learning more about John Albert Gardner III.  The man charged with Chelsea King’s murder and rape, and who is being investigated for Amber Dubois’ murder, is a father and the son of a highly-educated mother.

John Gardner’s mother and his stepfather, Cathy Osborne and Kevin O’Neill, are both members of the San Diego Hash House Harriers, a group that describes itself as a “Drinking Club with a Running Problem.”

On Dec. 27, the group hosted a running event on the same day and location where John Gardner is accused of attacking a woman.

Gardner’s stepfather wrote in the group’s newsletter that day, “Disturbing news at the start…when other members…give us word that a girl had been attacked that morning in the trails where we would be running.”

Kevin O’Neill runs a family photo touch up company out of his Rancho Bernardo home while Cathy teaches behavioral health at Scripps.

On her LinkedIn page, Cathy says she cares for “some of the most challenging psychiatric patients.”

Court documents from 2000 show her son, John Gardner, took at least 8 different psychiatric medications while living with Cathy, including Ritalin, Zoloft, and Paxil.

Last week, Chelsea King’s parents told San Diego 6 that they believed Cathy was putting neighbors in danger by allowing her son to stay at her home.  ”Anyone who is a parent cannot in good conscious sit there and say, ‘Yes, it’s okay to let this person live next door.’  You cannot — you cannot tell me.”

Now we’re learning Gardner is a parent of twin boys.  But the convicted sex offender never married his children’s mother.

By 2009, The Enterprise Report says, he was living with Jariah Baker at an apartment not far from Escondido High School where 14-year-old Amber Dubois disappeared.  Sources tell us Baker is now working with authorities on the Dubois murder investigation.

The black Nissan Sentra that Gardner was seen driving is registered to Baker.  The Enterprise Report obtained a ticket John Gardner received while driving the sedan on January 30th in Lake Elsinore.

He was stopped at a DUI check point and ticketed for failing to have registration or proof of insurance.

Last week, San Diego 6 broke the story of a man matching Gardner’s description following another young girl in a black car as she walked home from Bernardo Heights Middle School.  The suspect in that case was eventually scared off.

Sources said the black Sentra was seized by investigators.

http://www.sdnn.com/sandiego/2010-03-11/local-county-news/new-details-reveal-that-john-gardner-fathered-twins




Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 11, 2010, 04:41:48 PM
That is a lot of powerful drugs for someone to have all been on  ::MonkeyEek:: And especially for a teen  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Northern Rose on March 11, 2010, 05:14:56 PM
Is This Gardner's Car?

(http://media.nbcsandiego.com/images/410*307/IMG00251.jpg)

A car believed to have belonged to the man accused of murdering Chelsea King was towed from an Escondido wrecking yard on Thursday morning and taken to a city holding facility.

As of 1 p.m., Escondido police had not returned a phone call to confirm the car did, in fact, belong to Gardner or the circumstances surrounding the impounding of the vehicle. Earlier this week in San Diego Superior Court, Judge David Danielson issued a gag order in the case involving John Gardner, who, in addition to being a suspect in the King case is also a focus of the investigation in the death of Amber Dubois.
 
The owner of Cardinal Auto Wrecking, however, said detectives asked him not to comment on the vehicle, an indication that there is a possible connection to Gardner.
 
The owner would not say, however, who brought in the vehicle to the salvage yard or confirm when it was brought in. The yard is located exactly three blocks from Gardner's last known residence in Escondido on Rock Springs Road.
 
The car towed from the wrecking yard on Thursday morning is a gold 1999 Grand Prix. That information may be significant. In October, a man bearing a resemblance to Gardner in a composite sketch was being sought in Riverside County for attempting to force a girl into a car at gunpoint as she walked to school. The girl was able to run away. She described the suspect's car at the time as a "'90s era gold four-door sedan, unknown make." That description would seem to match the car that was towed from the wreckage lot on Thursday.
 
The car was at the tow yard since January, sources said. The owner of the wreckage yard would not confirm the date but did say the vehicle identification numbers were forwarded to the DMV and Department of Justice, as is required by law. He also said the car was brought in with "front end damage." When it was towed away Thursday, the car appeared to have other damage as well. However, that could have been because parts of the car had been used as salvage.

Gardner is being held without bail. His preliminary hearing has been scheduled for Aug. 4.

http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local-beat/Is-This-Gardners-Car.html


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Tracygirl on March 11, 2010, 05:26:36 PM
His mother drove him to 7-11 and allowed him to streak? If that is true, i think she can pretty much forget ever receiving mother of the year. WTH?

It seems that he was not getting what he needed as a child if this was the type of "help" mommy gave him, but you know what? He did become an adult and he could have gotten help. We all come to a point in our lives we need to help ourselves and take responsibility for our actions. Nothing I have read about him so far leads me to consider he was so mentally ill he didn't know right from wrong.
 

The way I read it was that they were at his mother's condo and he asked the friend to drive him so he could streak. 

Yes that is how I took it to read as well.

yes..me as well...although it strikes me as his streaking at a 7/11 would be something that his mother might find hilarious...from what I have read about her and her group of pals...jmo...

Maybe this was why I could imagine it and easily misunderstood the article. Thank God I was wrong, I think I would have popped a vein in my head!


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: klaasend on March 11, 2010, 07:06:51 PM
http://www.10news.com/news/22814264/detail.html

Report: Gardner Violated Parole Terms In 2007

POSTED: 2:59 pm PST March 11, 2010
UPDATED: 3:55 pm PST March 11, 2010

SACRAMENTO, Calif. -- A convicted sex offender charged with murdering one California teenager and under investigation for another killing violated his parole by moving too close to a school but was allowed to remain free, according to records obtained Thursday by The Associated Press.

Had John Albert Gardner III been returned to prison in 2007 he would have been evaluated for commitment to a state mental hospital as a sexually violent predator. He also would have qualified for wearing an electronic tracking device for the rest of his life.

"It was just an incompetent decision that didn't protect public safety," said state Sen. George Runner, who wrote Jessica's Law, the sex offender law approved by voters in 2006.

"And now we have, what, two victims and who knows what else is out there?" he said.

The parole records show state officials found Gardner illegally living within a half-mile of a school in September 2007 and decided to keep him on parole. The records show at least five later violations, the last on Sept. 8, 2008, just 18 days before Gardner was let go from parole supervision and his location-tracking GPS bracelet removed from his ankle.

Each time, the decision was "COP:" Continue on Parole.

"All the indications were there saying that this was a very serious situation," said Nancy Kincaid, spokeswoman for the state Department of Mental Health. "A very serious evaluation would have been followed all the way through."

Gardner's attorney, Michael John Popkins, did not return a telephone message left by AP. He is under a court-ordered gag order not to talk about the case.

Gardner, 30, served five years in prison and three years of parole after pleading guilty in 2000 to molesting a 13-year-old neighbor girl.

He pleaded not guilty last week to murdering Chelsea King, 17, whose presumed body was found March 2 buried in a park near her hometown of Poway.

He also is charged with assaulting a woman in the same park in December, and is a suspect but has not been charged in the disappearance of 14-year-old Amber Dubois as she walked to school in Escondido in early 2009.

Her skeletal remains were found Saturday on an Indian reservation.

"There was nothing to indicate then that he would do this, or allegedly do this," said Oscar Hidalgo, spokesman for the California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation. "I guess one can always look back, but we don't have the luxury."

In fact, Gardner was considered to be a low- or moderate-risk sex offender, based on the assessment in use at the time, Hidalgo said.

He wasn't sent back to prison in September 2007 because he corrected the residency violation by moving away from a college campus that had a day care center, Hidalgo said.

He had six other technical violations -- one more than shown in the records obtained by the AP, Hidalgo said.

Four involved letting the battery on his ankle bracelet run low, one for missing a meeting with his parole officer, and one for alleged marijuana possession that couldn't be substantiated.

"These are considered minor. Quite frankly if we were to blanket the system of parolees with minor offenses, we would ... overwhelm the system. We'd close the system down," Hidalgo said.

Laura Ahearn, executive director of New York-based Parents for Megan's Law and The Crime Victims Center, said parole agents missed a chance to possibly put Gardner away for years.

"A technical violation is an opportunity to take sexual predators off the street. Most would be looking for that opportunity," she said. "He could have been confined, and this may never have happened."

If officials ruled that Gardner violated his parole, they could have sent him back to prison, though most serve only about four extra months behind bars. However, the new prison term would have extended his parole supervision.

The violation also would have put Gardner under the jurisdiction of Jessica's Law and permitted lifetime electronic monitoring. In addition, it would have permitted Gardner's evaluation as a sexually violent predator, potentially keeping him locked up in a state mental health hospital for years.

Gardner couldn't be committed to a state mental hospital after the 2000 case because the law then required at least two victims. Jessica's Law now allows evaluations after just one.

Kincaid, the mental health spokeswoman, said Gardner might have been committed for having an underlying mental disorder and a likelihood that he would reoffend. However, the law involving commitment generally requires that the victim be a stranger. In this case, his victim was a neighbor who had known and trusted him for a year.

Gardner's 2000 probation report included comments from a psychiatrist who concluded he had "significant predatory traits" and should be kept in prison for as long as possible.

Kincaid said it was unclear from the records if the traits would qualify him as a sexually violent predator under the law.

The AP independently obtained computer-generated portions of Gardner's parole record after the corrections department reported it had routinely destroyed its paper field notes a year after Gardner was released from parole.

The department disclosed Tuesday that portions of the file were transferred to Gardner's central file.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Northern Rose on March 11, 2010, 08:11:07 PM
Transcripts: Gardner's 2000 victim feared rape


The young girl John Albert Gardner III molested 10 years ago told a judge in a preliminary court hearing she feared Gardner was going to rape her at the time, according to a transcript The San Diego Union-Tribune obtained Thursday.

“What were you afraid of?” prosecutor David Hendren asked the then 13-year-old girl in court on April 11, 2000.

“I was afraid of what he was going to do with me,” she said.

“What did you think based on your being there that he was going to do?” Hendren asked.

“Probably rape me.”

The 74-page transcript features the testimony of three teenaged girls. Two accused Gardner of molesting them, one in 1999 and the other in 2000. The third was with Gardner and one of the other girls the morning of the later incident.

The transcript provides the most details yet of the March 16, 2000, assault that got Gardner five years in state prison — and the only description of an earlier encounter Gardner had with a then 14-year-old girl at age 20.

Gardner, 30, is accused of raping and murdering Poway teenager Chelsea King, who disappeared Feb. 25 and whose body was found days later. He is also under investigation in the death of Escondido teenager Amber Dubois, who went missing last year and whose remains were found Saturday.

On April 11, Gardner pleaded not guilty to five charges against him, three felony counts of committing a lewd act on a child under the age of 14 and one felony count of false imprisonment related to an incident on March 16, 2000, and one misdemeanor count of child molesting for an incident that occurred in late 1999.

In a plea deal with prosecutors that helped avoid a trial, Gardner pleaded guilty to two charges of committing a lewd act on a child under the age of 14, both of which were less severe than the ones he initially faced, and the charge of false imprisonment. The charge related to the 1999 incident was dropped; the prosecution’s subsequent sentencing report termed the activity consensual.

On April 11, 2000, the girl involved in the 1999 incident said in court that she went with John and two other girls to a secluded spot in Rancho Bernardo and he asked if he could kiss her when the two other girls went on a walk.

“I said, ‘I’m not sure,’, and he kissed me,” she recalled in court. She said she kissed him back, but then pushed his hand away more than once when he started touching her under her bra and down her pants.

“I pushed his hand away and told him I think it is time we left,” she said.

Asked by the prosecutor what happened next, the girl said she looked for her friends for a few minutes, figured they had left and then walked home.

The episode involving Gardner and the 13-year-old girl in 2000 was much more violent. That day, Gardner drove two girls to school in the morning and returned with one to his mother’s townhouse in Rancho Bernardo.

At the school, when the two girls both told Gardner they didn’t want to accompany him to his house, he told the one he would later molest, “Well, I can call you in and pretend to be your dad so you don’t have to go,” according to the testimony in the transcript from the girl who ultimately decided to stay in school that day.

Gardner returned to his house with the 13-year-old and tried to give her a massage over her repeated objections. He later carried her to an upstairs bedroom, telling her “not to open my eyes,” the 13-year-old says in the transcript. “It was like a surprise or something.”

She remembered that she was wearing “kind of sparkly pants and a purple tank top with a white overcoat on.” She said, “He kept telling me to take my white coat off, and I told him I didn’t want to.”

His advances became more physical until, she said, “He hit me in the face, and I didn’t feel anything.” She said he hit her behind the left ear and also gave her a black eye.

She eventually fled from Gardner and ran across the street to the open garage door of a neighbor seeking help.

At that house, she was comforted by Sue Jones, a neighbor who recalled the incident in an interview last week.

In the transcript, Jones said the girl’s face was “really, really swollen and enlarged.” She said, “It hadn’t gotten black and blue yet, but you could tell she had been hit.”

Jones recalled that the girl told her she just wanted to leave and not talk to the police.

“Why didn’t she want to call the police?” Hendren asked.

“She was scared,” Jones answered.

“What was she afraid of?” Hendren asked.

“Having people know what happened,” Jones said.

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/mar/11/gardners-2000-victim-feared-rape-transcripts-show/


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Nut44x4 on March 11, 2010, 08:22:12 PM
APNewsBreak: Parole records show San Diego murder suspect could have been returned to prison

A convicted sex offender charged with murdering one California teenager and under investigation for another killing violated his parole by moving too close to a school but was allowed to remain free, according to records obtained Thursday by The Associated Press.

Had John Albert Gardner III been returned to prison in 2007 he would have been evaluated for commitment to a state mental hospital as a sexually violent predator. He also would have qualified for wearing an electronic tracking device for the rest of his life.

"It was just an incompetent decision that didn't protect public safety," said state Sen. George Runner, who wrote Jessica's Law, the sex offender law approved by voters in 2006.

"And now we have, what, two victims and who knows what else is out there?" he said.

The parole records show state officials found Gardner illegally living within a half-mile of a school in September 2007 and decided to keep him on parole. The records show at least five later violations, the last on Sept. 8, 2008, just 18 days before Gardner was let go from parole supervision and his location-tracking GPS bracelet removed from his ankle.

Each time, the decision was "COP:" Continue on Parole.

"All the indications were there saying that this was a very serious situation," said Nancy Kincaid, spokeswoman for the state Department of Mental Health. "A very serious evaluation would have been followed all the way through."

Gardner's attorney, Michael John Popkins, did not return a telephone message. He is under a court-ordered gag order not to talk about the case.

Gardner, 30, served five years in prison and three years of parole after pleading guilty in 2000 to molesting a 13-year-old neighbor girl.

He pleaded not guilty last week to murdering Chelsea King, 17, whose presumed body was found March 2 buried in a park near her hometown of Poway north of San Diego.

He also is charged with assaulting a woman in the same park in December, and is a suspect but has not been charged in the disappearance of 14-year-old Amber Dubois as she walked to school in Escondido in early 2009.

Her skeletal remains were found Saturday on an Indian reservation.

"There was nothing to indicate then that he would do this, or allegedly do this," said Oscar Hidalgo, spokesman for the California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation. "I guess one can always look back, but we don't have the luxury."

In fact, Gardner was considered to be a low- or moderate-risk sex offender, based on the assessment in use at the time, Hidalgo said.

He wasn't sent back to prison in September 2007 because he corrected the residency violation by moving away from a college campus that had a day care center, Hidalgo said.

He had six other technical violations _ one more than shown in the records obtained by the AP, Hidalgo said.

Four involved letting the battery on his ankle bracelet run low, one for missing a meeting with his parole officer, and one for alleged marijuana possession that couldn't be substantiated.

"These are considered minor. Quite frankly if we were to blanket the system of parolees with minor offenses, we would ... overwhelm the system. We'd close the system down," Hidalgo said.

Laura Ahearn, executive director of New York-based Parents for Megan's Law and The Crime Victims Center, said parole agents missed a chance to possibly put Gardner away for years.

"A technical violation is an opportunity to take sexual predators off the street. Most would be looking for that opportunity," she said. "He could have been confined, and this may never have happened."

If officials ruled that Gardner violated his parole, they could have sent him back to prison, though most serve only about four extra months behind bars. However, the new prison term would have extended his parole supervision.

The violation also would have put Gardner under the jurisdiction of Jessica's Law and permitted lifetime electronic monitoring. In addition, it would have permitted Gardner's evaluation as a sexually violent predator, potentially keeping him locked up in a state mental health hospital for years.

Gardner couldn't be committed to a state mental hospital after the 2000 case because the law then required at least two victims. Jessica's Law now allows evaluations after just one.

Kincaid, the mental health spokeswoman, said Gardner might have been committed for having an underlying mental disorder and a likelihood that he would reoffend. However, the law involving commitment generally requires that the victim be a stranger. In this case, his victim was a neighbor who had known and trusted him for a year.

Gardner's 2000 probation report included comments from a psychiatrist who concluded he had "significant predatory traits" and should be kept in prison for as long as possible.

Kincaid said it was unclear from the records if the traits would qualify him as a sexually violent predator under the law.

The AP independently obtained computer-generated portions of Gardner's parole record after the corrections department reported it had routinely destroyed its paper field notes a year after Gardner was released from parole.

The department disclosed Tuesday that portions of the file were transferred to Gardner's central file.

http://www.duluthnewstribune.com/event/apArticle/id/D9ECOBR80/


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 11, 2010, 08:39:41 PM
How terribly disturbing to think he could have been taken off the streets again in 2007  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: sebastian on March 11, 2010, 11:21:33 PM
SAN DIEGO -- 10News learned staff members at Scripps Mercy Hospital are upset about the mother of accused killer John Gardner returning to work.

Sources told 10News Scripps Mercy staff members were summoned to a 3 p.m. meeting Thursday to discuss the issue of Cathy Osborn's return to the hospital. The staff members were asked to dress in street clothes and come in through the front door.

Osborn is a registered nurse and is a supervisor in the behavioral health unit at Scripps Mercy. However, a 10News viewer and co-worker of Osborn sent in the following e-mail:

"Cannot tell you who I am for fear of being harassed, but his mother Cathy Osborn is going back to work at Scripps Mercy Hospital in behavioral health. She let her son live with her and had a key to her house and now is in a position of authority on a psychiatric unit where other sex offenders or psychiatric patients are placed based on her position … She knew he was a danger and never reported him. Her judgment could let other people out of a psychiatric facility that should not be. Staff do not respect her anymore and have to listen to her because she is in a position of authority. This is not right … Staff do not want to work with her and she is coming back to work."

Another co-worker called 10News and said "there's quite a few of us" feeling the same way and that there was a "big sigh of relief" that the word got out. She also said she believed it was in "bad taste" that Osborn continue teaching self-defense classes, and "when she came back Tuesday and walked in ready to teach class as usual, a lot of them walked out."

Scripps Mercy refused to discuss anything regarding the information the anonymous co-workers shared with 10News and said it was "inappropriate … a personnel issue."

10News learned staff members were dismissed from the 3 p.m. meeting at the last minute and told to set up individual meeting sessions.

While it will be five months before her son has his preliminary hearing, Osborn is already being judged at her place of employment.

http://www.10news.com/news/22816642/detail.html


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Shell on March 11, 2010, 11:32:46 PM
http://www.sdnn.com/sandiego/2010-03-11/local-county-news/new-details-reveal-that-john-gardner-fathered-twins

Am I the only one seeing a resemblance to Chelsea and the woman who allegedly is the mother of JAGs twins?

The video at this link says a man has been seen around LR Green school. That is the school that abuts Kit Carson Park. This is so upsetting.  ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: mizjay on March 11, 2010, 11:49:44 PM
SAN DIEGO -- 10News learned staff members at Scripps Mercy Hospital are upset about the mother of accused killer John Gardner returning to work.

Sources told 10News Scripps Mercy staff members were summoned to a 3 p.m. meeting Thursday to discuss the issue of Cathy Osborn's return to the hospital. The staff members were asked to dress in street clothes and come in through the front door.

Osborn is a registered nurse and is a supervisor in the behavioral health unit at Scripps Mercy. However, a 10News viewer and co-worker of Osborn sent in the following e-mail:

"Cannot tell you who I am for fear of being harassed, but his mother Cathy Osborn is going back to work at Scripps Mercy Hospital in behavioral health. She let her son live with her and had a key to her house and now is in a position of authority on a psychiatric unit where other sex offenders or psychiatric patients are placed based on her position … She knew he was a danger and never reported him. Her judgment could let other people out of a psychiatric facility that should not be. Staff do not respect her anymore and have to listen to her because she is in a position of authority. This is not right … Staff do not want to work with her and she is coming back to work."

Another co-worker called 10News and said "there's quite a few of us" feeling the same way and that there was a "big sigh of relief" that the word got out. She also said she believed it was in "bad taste" that Osborn continue teaching self-defense classes, and "when she came back Tuesday and walked in ready to teach class as usual, a lot of them walked out."

Scripps Mercy refused to discuss anything regarding the information the anonymous co-workers shared with 10News and said it was "inappropriate … a personnel issue."

10News learned staff members were dismissed from the 3 p.m. meeting at the last minute and told to set up individual meeting sessions.

While it will be five months before her son has his preliminary hearing, Osborn is already being judged at her place of employment.

http://www.10news.com/news/22816642/detail.html
So, let me get this straight.....CO teaches self defense classes... it IS in bad taste to say the least for her to return to that . Who does she believe women are trying to defend themselves against?   The monster that her son is, is a perfect example.  That takes the cake for unmitigated gall. It's insulting and proves that somewhere in this family's mindset, there is no personal responsibility.  There's a lot broken in that family, IMO


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Northern Rose on March 12, 2010, 12:25:08 AM
Sex offender violated parole but wasn't sent back to prison
John Albert Gardner III, charged with killing Chelsea King, violated parole in 2007 by living near a school. Officials opted against returning him to prison because he complied with relocation orders.


Reporting from San Diego - The sex offender charged with murdering Chelsea King violated parole in 2007 by living near a school, but state officials opted against sending him back to prison because he complied with orders to relocate, according to a summary released Thursday by the California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation.

John Albert Gardner III was barred from residing within a half-mile of an elementary school when his parole officer found him living near a college's day-care center in San Diego County in September 2007.

Gardner moved within two weeks, according to state officials, and avoided a parole hearing process that could have landed him back in prison. He was on parole after serving a five-year sentence for molesting a 13-year-old girl in 2000.

The department's handling of Gardner has come under scrutiny since it was disclosed that officials destroyed his parole file under a policy that has since been reversed by Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger.

The new disclosures fueled more criticism, with some politicians and victims' rights groups saying that state officials missed an opportunity to keep Gardner from committing more crimes.

Gardner had several potential parole violations, the summary said. He missed a parole meeting, was suspected of marijuana use and had four low-battery alerts from the global positioning system strapped to his body. All were considered minor.

"If we were to return to custody individuals with these types of infractions, the system would not be able to take it," said Oscar Hidalgo, a department spokesman. "We would flood our agents and our parole offices with technical violations that we couldn't sustain. The system itself couldn't sustain it."

The violation of the residency rule could have led to a hearings process with parole officials.

"It never got that far with Gardner," said spokeswoman Terry Thornton, adding that he moved within two weeks of being notified. "If a parole officer gives someone a direct order, move, and the guy moves, there's no reason to revoke him."

Some critics believe other factors were at play. Todd Spitzer, a prosecutor and former state assemblyman from Orange County, said the department has eased up on parole violators because of prison constraints. "They were ignoring public safety with one goal in mind: They were trying to solve the prison overcrowding," Spitzer said.

Gardner, 30, is accused of murdering King, a Poway High School senior, and attempting to rape a woman in December. He is also being investigated in the slaying of 14-year-old Amber Dubois, who disappeared last year and whose skeletal remains were discovered Saturday.

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-gardner12-2010mar12,0,4643799.story


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Tracygirl on March 12, 2010, 12:31:14 AM
They have to build new prisons, it is just a cost the tax payers in California will just have to cough up. I hate paying taxes, who doesn't but somethings are for the betterment of society and not releasing criminals into society is in the best interest.
Of course they could always put 4 to a cell, not spend money on cable and internet access, cut their health vision and dental benefits and give them 2 meals rather then 3. But oh for goodness sakes we can't be mean! Makes me crazy


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Northern Rose on March 12, 2010, 12:37:42 AM
News 8 Investigation: FBI seizes white pickup truck once owned by Gardner
 
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The FBI has seized a white pickup truck that sex offender John Gardner may have been driving at the time Amber Dubois went missing. Investigators are looking for DNA inside the truck that could link Amber Dubois to the accused killer. In this News 8 Investigation we learn that vehicles driven by Gardner could become key pieces of evidence.

The 2004 Chevy Silverado was repossessed from Gardner around the same time Amber Dubois went missing in February 2009. It was sold to a new owner last year at used car lot in the Wilmington neighborhood of Los Angeles.  The manager of the car lot remembers buying the truck at auction.

"It's just a standard, white Silverado pickup with four doors. We purchased it on the 9th of March of 2009 at the South Bay Auction, which is in Gardena," Ulises Galvez said.

FBI agents seized the vehicle Wednesday in Los Angeles from its current owner, an immigrant who purchased the truck last year from the Kar Connections lot in Wilmington. Agents told the current owner they needed to impound the truck for several weeks to test it for DNA.

The car lot manager says the truck was cleaned before they sold it.

"We shampoo the carpets and the seats and then wash the windows and the dash," Galvez said.

DMV records show Gardner purchased the truck in 2006. He was driving it in Nov. 2008 when he received a misdemeanor citation for possession of marijuana in Oceanside.

It was repossessed in Feb. 2009, and a short time later Gardner purchased a new vehicle.

The Heller Ford dealership in Escondido confirms Gardner paid cash for a gold, 1999 Pontiac Grand Prix in June 2009. A few months later, a Lake Elsinore girl told deputies a man who looked like Gardner tried to force her into a gold-colored Pontiac, but she got away.

Court records show Gardner has received five traffic tickets and citations since 2008, and each time the citation shows him driving a different vehicle.

In 2008 he was driving a black Hyundai four-door sedan. In 2008 and 2009 he was driving the white Chevy pickup recently seized by the FBI. In April 2009 a traffic ticket shows Gardner was driving his girlfriend's grey Ford Focus. Later in 2009, he was behind the wheel of the gold Pontiac Grand Prix. Finally, in Jan. 2010, a traffic ticket shows him driving a 2002 black Nissan Sentra with a significant amount of damage.

Records show at least two of those cars were registered to Gardner's girlfriend, 28-year-old Jariah Baker. News 8 has confirmed Baker is currently living in a residential drug and alcohol rehab house in Escondido called Serenity House. She did not respond to News 8's emails and phone messages asking for a comment.

http://www.cbs8.com/Global/story.asp?S=12127421


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Northern Rose on March 12, 2010, 01:04:09 AM
FBI Seizes White Pickup (Video)

http://www.cbs8.com/global/category.asp?c=155799&clipId=&topVideoCatNo=149659&topVideoCatNoB=155712&topVideoCatNoC=155713&topVideoCatNoD=155710&topVideoCatNoE=155711&clipId=4615069&topVideoCatNo=undefined&autoStart=true


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Northern Rose on March 12, 2010, 01:10:37 AM
Gardner violated parole in 2007 (video)
Parole officers could have sent him back to prison

http://www.fox5sandiego.com/news/kswb-gardner-parole-violation,0,4870637.story


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Northern Rose on March 12, 2010, 01:12:47 AM
Chelsea's loved ones hand out passes for memorial (video)

POWAY, Calif. (CBS 8) - The Poway community is preparing to celebrate the life of Chelsea King, the 17-year-old high school senior who went for a jog in Rancho Bernardo and never came home.

San Diego's outpouring of support for the King family has been so great that space at Chelsea's memorial this Saturday is limited.

In this News 8 video story, Doug Kolk has more on who will attend.

http://www.cbs8.com/Global/story.asp?S=12124916



Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: klaasend on March 12, 2010, 01:14:30 AM
Thanks Northern!

I'm glad to see they are impounding all these vehicles.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Northern Rose on March 12, 2010, 01:16:37 AM
Thanks Northern!

I'm glad to see they are impounding all these vehicles.

Wonder if they found the black Hyundai yet?


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: klaasend on March 12, 2010, 01:42:19 AM
Thanks Northern!

I'm glad to see they are impounding all these vehicles.

Wonder if they found the black Hyundai yet?

I'm sure we'll find out when they do!  I'm just glad that so far they have 3 of them at least.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: klaasend on March 12, 2010, 01:43:16 AM
Also, IMO they need to be testing everything in his mothers townhome


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: sebastian on March 12, 2010, 01:55:21 AM
Also, IMO they need to be testing everything in his mothers townhome

Hi Klaas!
I totally agree. I also had a thought. What do you think about a thread for attempted abductions? Maybe by state? Eventually we would probably see some of the sketches matching up.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: mizjay on March 12, 2010, 02:51:44 AM
Also, IMO they need to be testing everything in his mothers townhome
Yep, and every box of his stuff he's probably got strewn all over the county (s). He seems like he may be pretty scattered so I'd imagine every time he gets the boot or decides to leave, he throws a bunch of things in boxes and starts new. 


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Nut44x4 on March 12, 2010, 09:26:59 AM
Gardner violated parole seven times after attacking 13-year-old girl

Friday, March 12th, 2010.
Issue 10, Volume 14.

SAN DIEGO - Registered sex offender John Albert Gardner III, who is accused of raping and murdering Poway teen Chelsea King, racked up seven violations during the three years that he served on parole for attacking a 13-year-old girl in 2000, it was reported today.

The assistant secretary of the California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation said Thursday that Gardner's trouble with parole agents never warranted his being sent back to prison, but that official's boss later issued
a statement saying the case was being reviewed, The San Diego Union-Tribune reported.

Gardner's most serious violation while on parole was in September 2007, when he lived in an apartment adjacent to Miramar College and its day-care center, according to the newspaper. The residence was also within 500 yards of Scripps Ranch High School and Hourglass Field Community Park.

Gardner had a low battery in his GPS tracking device on four occasions, he missed a parole meeting one time and he once faced an allegation of possession of marijuana, the Union-Tribune reported.

snipped....more of the same
http://www.myvalleynews.com/story/46175/


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Missiontoconvict on March 12, 2010, 11:00:51 AM

So, let me get this straight.....CO teaches self defense classes... it IS in bad taste to say the least for her to return to that . Who does she believe women are trying to defend themselves against?   The monster that her son is, is a perfect example.  That takes the cake for unmitigated gall. It's insulting and proves that somewhere in this family's mindset, there is no personal responsibility.  There's a lot broken in that family, IMO
Wow, so her coworkers are speaking out, that is a good thing.  If you think about it, it is a sort of oxymoron her working in a behavioral unit and teaching self defense classes and provided shelter for a registered sex offender.  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Missiontoconvict on March 12, 2010, 11:01:45 AM
Also, IMO they need to be testing everything in his mothers townhome
Absolutely!


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Northern Rose on March 12, 2010, 11:07:04 AM
High tries to heal after tragedy

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The signs are everywhere at Poway High School.

Dozens of bouquets and notes still hang from a campus fence where red paper cups spell the initials CK. “Remember Chelsea” fliers with photos of the pretty senior remain taped to classroom walls. Windows still bear students’ messages to Chelsea King.

There are other signs: An electronic billboard lists an upcoming eighth-grade parents night, a boys volleyball tournament and an academic team competition.

They all illustrate the difficult course students and faculty are navigating this week between grieving and moving forward.

Many students say tomorrow’s memorial for Chelsea in the school’s stadium will help them begin to heal from a trauma that has put them in an unwanted national spotlight. News of her violent death and the arrest of a sex offender has rippled across the country.

“I want to honor my friend as much as I can,” said Evan Shirley, 17, who knew Chelsea as part of the campus peer-counseling program. “Doing that in something official like this memorial is really important.

“But by this time next week, I hope things will get a little bit back to normal on campus because that’s what Chelsea would want. Midterms are almost here and AP exams are coming up.”

Principal Scott Fisher said the campus has been shaken to its core.

“In my 21 years (as a principal), there have been deaths,” Fisher said. “But there’s never been one that’s had this impact on a campus.”

Poway High School students have lost three classmates this year, an unprecedented number.

Sophomore Clayton Blackburn died from a drug overdose two days before the school year started.

Senior Veronica Aguirre was killed Dec. 11 when the car she was driving rolled on a winding road as she headed home from a party.

Chelsea King vanished Feb. 25 while running at Rancho Bernardo Community Park. Her body was found March 2 in a shallow grave at the edge of nearby Lake Hodges. John Albert Gardner III, arrested Feb. 28, has pleaded not guilty to charges of murder and rape.

Chelsea’s disappearance launched a massive search aided by thousands of volunteers, including many Poway High School students.

Fisher said the five days of excruciating uncertainty devastated the campus, as youthful confidence that Chelsea was alive somewhere met the hideous reality of her death.

Although Chelsea was well-known as a standout student — cross-country team member, French horn musician in the school symphony and a peer counselor — students who didn’t know her were also profoundly affected.

Her death forced the 2,600 teenagers on campus to face difficult questions: How can the unthinkable happen? Is no one safe?

The answers are no easier for adults.

“The words that most often come up are ‘violated’ and ‘exposed,’ ” said Dan Schaitel, a history teacher and Chelsea’s cross-country team coach. “I know they are questioning why — and why to someone who did everything right.”

Schaitel said he met with Chelsea’s running team last week to share memories.

“It was the hardest thing I’ve ever gone through in 40 years of teaching,” he said, his voice breaking. “The emotions were all on the surface and there were constant tears. Everyone feels violated.

“It’s hard to be the strong one when you’re hurting so much.”

School counselor Rachel De Young said Chelsea’s death has triggered painful emotions among some students who had previously lost a loved one or suffered some kind of abuse.

In the first week that she was missing, students wore a color each day that had some significance for Chelsea. Blue for her eyes, orange for her favorite color.

De Young said a day of purple was unexpectedly difficult for students who had known Danielle van Dam, a 7-year-old who was abducted from her Sabre Springs home by a neighbor in 2002 and murdered. Purple had been Danielle’s favorite color and mourners filled her neighborhood with purple ribbons.

When Chelsea went missing, school counselors identified such vulnerable students and met individually with each one.

“I’m still following up with some of those kids this week,” De Young said Wednesday.

Last week, spirits initially were buoyed by an arrest, only to be crushed by the discovery of Chelsea’s body. Distraught students attended a candlelight vigil March 2 that drew several thousand mourners.

Hundreds of students sought refuge the next day in the school’s counseling center, where a room was set aside for them to talk, watch movies or just sit. The Poway Unified School District sent three counselors from other campuses.

“The kids need to feel secure and cared for when they come to school,” Fisher said.

“They have to know that the adults on campus are available to them.”

The horror and, ultimately, exhaustion of last week has mostly moved to resignation and sadness this week, teachers said.

Activities have resumed, although students and teachers still have trouble focusing on academics. For the first time in the school’s history, the end of the grading period was postponed a week from last Friday to today.

(http://media.signonsandiego.com/img/photos/2010/03/12/powaymap_t352.jpg?980751187beea6fc26a3a9e93795d379f58af1c4)

Preparations for the memorial help.

The peer counselors met early yesterday to coordinate as ushers. The Poway High School Wind Symphony has been rehearsing several musical pieces to perform.

The cross-country team decided to attend the memorial together, leaving a seat empty for Chelsea.

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/mar/12/poway-high-tries-heal-after-tragedy/


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Northern Rose on March 12, 2010, 11:08:12 AM
Also, IMO they need to be testing everything in his mothers townhome
Absolutely!

And Grandma's.  Nothing yet other than the mystery relative as to why he was asked to leave there 2 weeks before.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Northern Rose on March 12, 2010, 11:11:30 AM
Transcript details encounters with Gardner
In 2000 testimony, teens say episodes began innocently, then turned violent

Two days after turning 21, John Albert Gardner III donned a blue shirt and tie and sat in a San Diego courtroom for an hour and a half as two teenage girls testified that he’d molested them.

Both girls said the encounters began innocently enough, according to the transcript of an April 11, 2000, preliminary hearing that The San Diego Union-Tribune obtained Thursday.

The 74-page transcript provides, in a 13-year-old victim’s own words, the most details yet of the March 16, 2000, assault that sent Gardner to prison.

It also offers the only description available of an episode involving Gardner and a 14-year-old girl several months earlier.

Gardner, 30, is accused of raping and killing Poway teenager Chelsea King, who disappeared Feb. 25. He is also under investigation in the death of Escondido teenager Amber Dubois, who went missing last year and whose remains were found Saturday.

Gardner was 20 in late 1999 when he complimented a 14-year-old girl as they sat alone by a waterfall in Rancho Bernardo, and he asked if he could kiss her.

He leaned in even though she said, “I’m not sure.”

The following March, a month before his 21st birthday, he asked a 13-year-old if she needed a massage as they watched a movie alone at his mother’s townhouse in Rancho Bernardo.

He gave her one even though she told him she was “okay.”

She said that despite repeated objections, he carried her to an upstairs bedroom, telling her to close her eyes, as if it were “a surprise or something.” She would end up being groped and beaten.

In all, three teenage girls testified against Gardner during the hearing. The third was a friend of the girl Gardner assaulted.

William Halsey, Gardner’s lawyer at the time, said last week he had difficulty persuading Gardner to accept six years instead of the more than 30 years in prison he faced on the original charges.

Halsey said the preliminary hearing let Gardner see that the 13-year-old would testify against him in court — a key factor in Gardner’s possible prison sentence.

The willingness or reluctance to testify in court can greatly affect the outcome of any case, San Diego criminal defense attorney Christopher Plourd said.

“Given the nature of the general circumstances, that was a lenient result,” Plourd said of Gardner’s sentence. “His lawyer did a good job in that case because people can get many years.”

At the preliminary hearing in 2000, Superior Court Judge Jay Stone found enough evidence to order a trial on the five counts Gardner faced.

Gardner pleaded not guilty to three felony counts of committing a lewd act on a child under the age of 14 and one felony count of false imprisonment in the March 16, 2000, incident, and one misdemeanor count of child molestation in the incident that occurred in late 1999.

In a deal with prosecutors, Gardner pleaded guilty to two charges of committing a lewd act on a child under the age of 14, both of which were less severe than the ones he first faced, and the charge of false imprisonment.

The charge related to the 1999 incident was dropped; later, the prosecution’s sentencing report termed the activity consensual.

In that encounter, the girl pushed Gardner’s hand away when he slid it under her bra and again when he put it down her pants, she told the court in 2000.

“I pushed his hand away and told him I think it is time we left,” she said.

The next episode was much more violent.

That day, Gardner drove two girls to school in the morning and suggested that they both return with him to his mother’s townhouse. He offered to “pretend to be your dad so you don’t have to go,” according to testimony.

In the end, one went with him.

He brought the girl home, began massaging her and then his advances became more physical.

She said in court he hit her behind the left ear and also gave her a black eye. She eventually fled to a neighbor’s open garage.

“What were you afraid of?” prosecutor David Hendren asked.

“I was afraid of what he was going to do with me,” she said.

“What did you think based on your being there that he was going to do?” Hendren asked.

“Probably rape me.”

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/mar/11/gardners-2000-victim-feared-rape-transcripts-show/


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Northern Rose on March 12, 2010, 11:12:49 AM
Gardner violated parole seven times after attacking 13-year-old girl

SAN DIEGO - Registered sex offender John Albert Gardner III, who is accused of raping and murdering Poway teen Chelsea King, racked up seven violations during the three years that he served on parole for attacking a 13-year-old girl in 2000, it was reported today.

The assistant secretary of the California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation said Thursday that Gardner's trouble with parole agents never warranted his being sent back to prison, but that official's boss later issued

a statement saying the case was being reviewed, The San Diego Union-Tribune reported.

Gardner's most serious violation while on parole was in September 2007, when he lived in an apartment adjacent to Miramar College and its day-care center, according to the newspaper. The residence was also within 500 yards of

Scripps Ranch High School and Hourglass Field Community Park.

Gardner had a low battery in his GPS tracking device on four occasions, he missed a parole meeting one time and he once faced an allegation of possession of marijuana, the Union-Tribune reported.

Gardner, who is now 30, served five years of a six-year prison sentence for attacking a 13-year-old neighbor girl in his mother's Rancho Bernardo townhouse in 2000.

The District Attorney's Office made a plea deal with Gardner to spare the victim from testifying at trial despite a psychiatrist's report that Gardner showed no remorse and should get the maximum sentence of 30 years in prison.

MORE...

http://www.myvalleynews.com/story/46175/


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Northern Rose on March 12, 2010, 11:15:18 AM
Fury over sex offender's freedom

San Diego, California (CNN) -- In the movie "Law Abiding Citizen," Gerard Butler plays a man who loses his family when his wife and daughter are raped and murdered. After the main culprit receives a light sentence as part of a plea bargain and gets released from prison much sooner than he should have, our hero goes all "Death Wish" on the creep. He kidnaps him, drugs him and surgically dissects him into two-dozen pieces.

Vengeance is wrong and can't be condoned. But when you're caught up in the tension of the film, it looks like something else: justice.

In any case, I wouldn't be surprised if, throughout San Diego County, video stores are having trouble keeping that movie on the shelf. For the last 10 days, 3.2 million people have been working through a collective sense of fury and sorrow and more fury over two gruesome discoveries and one depressing revelation.

The discoveries came when authorities found -- within days of each other -- the bodies of two teenage girls, 17-year-old Chelsea King of Poway, California, and 14-year-old Amber Dubois of Escondido, California. King had gone for an afternoon run in a local park a few days earlier. Dubois had vanished a year earlier while walking to school.

John Albert Gardner III, a convicted sex offender, is charged with murdering King. A preliminary hearing for Gardner, who is also "a focus of the investigation" into the death of Dubois, has been scheduled for August 4. San Diego County District Attorney Bonnie Dumanis has said that Gardner is eligible for the death penalty but she hasn't decided if she will seek it.

The revelation, as more details surface about Gardner and his history with the criminal justice system, is that the system for dealing with repeat sex offenders and child predators is, in California and probably other states as well, beyond broken.

A wounded and grieving community wants to know why someone like Gardner, a known sex offender, was not still sitting in a jail cell after an earlier offense or at least under some kind of monitored electronic supervision. People want to know how it is that Gardner -- who was sentenced to six years in prison in 2000 for molesting, beating and falsely imprisoning a 13-year-old girl but eventually served only five years and three years on parole -- was apparently able to move freely and do as he pleased.

Supposedly, Gardner was being monitored by the state Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation, for whatever that's worth, and it might not be worth all that much. The Associated Press reported yesterday that Gardner violated his parole by moving too close to a school but was allowed to remain free, according to parole records obtained by the news agency.

The records also show several other violations. Had Gardner been returned to prison, he would have been evaluated for commitment to a state mental hospital as a sexually violent predator and qualified for wearing an electronic tracking device for the rest of his life.

We may never know what parole officers observed and concluded when they observed Gardner on the outside. Corrections officials claim that his "field file" was destroyed under a department policy that requires documents be destroyed within one year after a person's release from parole.

This smells fishy. Here you have a state agency known for backlogs and inefficiency and, yet, in this case, it miraculously managed to summon the efficiency to destroy a file just when it was authorized to do so. Color me suspicious. The media should keep digging until it finds out exactly when the file was destroyed, by whom, and under what authority. And if it comes out that the file was destroyed after the girls' bodies were found and Gardner was arrested, then watch out.


Yet, even if corrections officials are telling the truth, this policy is a bad fit for repeat sex offenders who tend to, by definition, repeat their crimes. In most cases, according to the research, it's only a matter of time. So why destroy the file? Chances are that you're going to need it again sooner or later.

To his credit, Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger, upon learning of this outrageous practice, got the chance to be a real-life action hero when he ordered the California Department of Corrections to stop destroying the field files.

Score one for the good guys. There will be more victories to come. Reform activists -- under the leadership of Assemblyman Nathan Fletcher, who represents the cities where King and Dubois lived -- have started what could turn out to be a national crusade to change the sex offender laws, close the loopholes and increase penalties in order to keep our children safe.

Maybe where we're headed is something like "One and You're Done" where, if you're convicted of sexually assaulting a child, you go away for 25 years. Or maybe those on parole should wear an electronic bracelet for life that is programmed to sound an alarm when the parolee goes near a park or a school.

Everything is on the table, Fletcher said at a news conference this week.

Because we remain a compassionate society, there will always be those who say that sexual predators are sick and that what they really need is treatment.

They're half right. Monsters like John Albert Gardner III who prey on children are sick. But they can't be cured. So what they need, on the first offense, is to be put away for a long time -- or, if subject to the death penalty, to be put down.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/OPINION/03/12/navarrette.sex.offender/


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Northern Rose on March 12, 2010, 11:18:45 AM
SAN DIEGO -- New pictures 10News obtained are raising questions about John Gardner's mother, Cathy Osborn. (video)

http://www.10news.com/video/22820662/index.html


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Northern Rose on March 12, 2010, 11:21:50 AM
Poway High Track Team Honors Chelsea King (video)

http://www.10news.com/video/22816521/


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Northern Rose on March 12, 2010, 11:27:30 AM
Co-Workers Upset After Gardner's Mom Returns To Job
Cathy Osborn Is Registered Nurse At Scripps Mercy Hospital

SAN DIEGO -- New pictures 10News obtained are raising questions about John Gardner's mother, Cathy Osborn.

Cathy Osborn is registered nurse at Scripps Mercy in the behavioral health unit and she's a partier.

Risqué pictures obtained by 10News show Obsorn and a group calling themselves the Hash House Harriers running the hills around Lake Hodges and other trails and engaging in some wild activities.

We had to blur the pictures when we showed them on television because of the nudity and nature of the photos. There were even a few we couldn't show.

But the pictures are a minor aspect of the tension that's developed at Osborn's workplace.

MORE...

http://www.10news.com/news/22816642/detail.html


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Missiontoconvict on March 12, 2010, 11:52:05 AM
Also, IMO they need to be testing everything in his mothers townhome
Absolutely!

And Grandma's.  Nothing yet other than the mystery relative as to why he was asked to leave there 2 weeks before.
Yes you are right - there has to be a good reason why you are asked to leave your grandmother's home.  Thank you for all the updates Northern Rose - the picture of the school memorial brought tears to my eyes.  God Bless the King family  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Northern Rose on March 12, 2010, 11:53:58 AM
http://www.sdnn.com/sandiego/2010-03-11/local-county-news/new-details-reveal-that-john-gardner-fathered-twins

Am I the only one seeing a resemblance to Chelsea and the woman who allegedly is the mother of JAGs twins?

I saw that as well.  Mrs King and Carrie and ECT/JAG's mother all look similar as well. 


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 12, 2010, 12:10:29 PM
Gardner violated parole seven times after attacking 13-year-old girl  ::MonkeyShocked::  Now let the spinning of this begin  ::MonkeyNoNo:: 


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Northern Rose on March 12, 2010, 12:15:09 PM
Gardner violated parole seven times after attacking 13-year-old girl  ::MonkeyShocked::  Now let the spinning of this begin  ::MonkeyNoNo:: 

Already has.  They were all "MINOR", nothing worth putting him back in jail for even one where he was caught living too close to a daycare   ::MonkeyNoNo::  Wouldn't want to clog the jail system with parole violators.  Heck for that matter, why bother having parole officers in the first place if the infractions are not actioned upon   ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 12, 2010, 12:19:23 PM
Gardner violated parole seven times after attacking 13-year-old girl  ::MonkeyShocked::  Now let the spinning of this begin  ::MonkeyNoNo:: 

Already has.  They were all "MINOR", nothing worth putting him back in jail for even one where he was caught living too close to a daycare   ::MonkeyNoNo::  Wouldn't want to clog the jail system with parole violators.  Heck for that matter, why bother having parole officers in the first place if the infractions are not actioned upon   ::MonkeyMad::
There was no reason for this, but we will hear the usual banter that we always hear.  ::MonkeyNoNo:: The prisons are way overcrowded, the parole officers are overworked, the parole officer may have felt it was an important issue and he should have been tossed back in prison, but the parole officer's superior didn't feel it necessary.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Northern Rose on March 12, 2010, 12:50:13 PM
Comments are interesting

http://www.sdnn.com/sandiego/2010-03-11/local-county-news/new-details-reveal-that-john-gardner-fathered-twins


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Northern Rose on March 12, 2010, 12:54:06 PM
Mourning the loss of Chelsea and Amber – there is help


Thousands of San Diego residents -– particularly those in the communities of Rancho Bernardo, Poway and Escondido -– turned out to mourn 17-year-old Chelsea King and 14-year-old Amber Dubois at their respective candlelight vigils, just one week apart.

(http://www.sdnn.com/files/2010/03/Dubois-400x290.jpg)

Now, several of those thousands -– some of whom have never met the girls or their families -– are pouring into the offices of San Diego Hospice to talk about their unspeakable loss.

According to Liane Fry, licensed marriage and family therapist and program manager at the Center for Grief Care and Education for San Diego Hospice, the facility –- which specializes in end-of-life care -– has been getting calls from grieving community members wanting to talk since the search for King began February 25.

“Primarily, we are getting calls from people who were involved in the search or other parents,” she said.  “We are seeing a broader community response.  Given how well-publicized it was, it hit all of us so profoundly.”

Both girls were found dead within a week of each other, following their separate mysterious disappearances.

King, a 17-year-old Poway High School senior, was declared missing February 25 after she failed to return from a run near Rancho Bernardo Community Park.  She was found five days later, on March 2, in a shallow grave near the Lake Hodges shoreline.

Fourteen-year-old Amber Dubois was last seen February 13, 2009 outside Escondido High School.  Her 13-month search finally came to an end March 7, when a weekend tip led authorities to her human remains in Pala.

Lake Elsinore resident and registered sex offender, John Albert Gardner III, has been charged with murder and a special circumstance of rape or attempted rape in King’s case and is now of interest in the Dubois case as well.  Gardner last appeared in court for a status conference on March 9.

The tragic events, while truly traumatizing for those close to the girls and their families, can trigger strong feelings of loss in others, even if they were not directly connected to the events, Fry said.

“[The tragedy] acts as an echo into the losses they might be experiencing,” she said.  “They are stimulated by that loss.”

Those losses –- while most are indicative of a death –- can also include circumstances like divorce or incarceration, she said.

http://www.sdnn.com/sandiego/2010-03-12/lifestyle/mourning-the-loss-of-chelsea-and-amber-there-is-help


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Cappuccino on March 12, 2010, 12:59:29 PM
Gardner violated parole seven times after attacking 13-year-old girl  ::MonkeyShocked::  Now let the spinning of this begin  ::MonkeyNoNo:: 

Already has.  They were all "MINOR", nothing worth putting him back in jail for even one where he was caught living too close to a daycare   ::MonkeyNoNo::  Wouldn't want to clog the jail system with parole violators.  Heck for that matter, why bother having parole officers in the first place if the infractions are not actioned upon   ::MonkeyMad::
There was no reason for this, but we will hear the usual banter that we always hear.  ::MonkeyNoNo:: The prisons are way overcrowded, the parole officers are overworked, the parole officer may have felt it was an important issue and he should have been tossed back in prison, but the parole officer's superior didn't feel it necessary.


This is beyond outrageous!   Expecting heads to roll & quite a bit of discussion on reform in how these predators are dealt with.   I cannot even begin to express in words how infuriated I am on just how many times we have to revisit this issue.   My God to the powers that be, VIOLENT SO's WILL REPEAT, PERIOD   HELLOOOOOOOO!   I dont give a rats behind what some lunatic koolaid drinkers want to believe regarding possible rehabilitation, we need to protect society.  These two girls & countless others were murdered when had the appropriate adjudication been ruled and/or people did their dang jobs these predators would have not had the opportunity to repeat their heinous crimes.   To me, not only is JAG responsible but there is blood on quite a few others hands for Chelsea & Amber's sexual assault/murders.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 12, 2010, 01:13:56 PM
Comments are interesting

http://www.sdnn.com/sandiego/2010-03-11/local-county-news/new-details-reveal-that-john-gardner-fathered-twins
The picture of this Baker woman I guess isn't the mother of the twins, someone on another forum, does no the woman who is, and that isn't her, not that it matters. She must have some major screw loose to even have been dating him, imo.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Northern Rose on March 12, 2010, 03:12:30 PM
Ex-friend says Gardner told her he was sexually abused

(CBS 8) - A former friend of John Gardner's has come forward with shocking revelations about his past.

Jennifer Brandt and John Gardner weren't close in high school, but became friends after. The got so close then, according to Brandt, that at one point he felt the need to tell her a deep dark secret.

"He was a fun and crazy guy," Brandt said.

That was the John Gardner Jennifer Brandt thought she knew, until his 2000 sexual assault with a minor conviction.

"Pretty much all of his friends were hurt and betrayed by him that we stopped all contact with him," Brandt said.

She hasn't spoken to Gardner since then. In fact, she says she hasn't even thought of his name in years, until he made national headlines.

"It was shocking. This was a guy I hung out with, I stayed the night on his couch," she said.

She told News 8 on the phone from Indianapolis that John once admitted to her a big, dark secret.

"He had on one occasion spoken to me about how a male family member had sexually abused him when he was young. He was almost in tears talking about it. I don't even remember how the subject was brought up but it was obviously something he needed to talk about, and I was there to listen," she said.

Gardner is accused of murdering and raping 17-year-old Chelsea King, and investigators are looking into the possibility he had something to do with 14-year-old Amber Dubois' murder as well.

"I just remember that because it was so horrible and sticks in your mind," Brandt said.

http://www.760kfmb.com/Global/story.asp?S=12131701


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Nut44x4 on March 12, 2010, 03:21:21 PM
No excuse  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Northern Rose on March 12, 2010, 03:40:10 PM
NO IDEA if this in fact is the real Dr Z aka Kevin O'reilly, but there is a Dr Z making comments at

 Dr. Z
They're going to fire her.
Today, 1:22:26 PM

http://www.10news.com/news/22816642/detail.html


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 12, 2010, 04:45:21 PM
No excuse  ::MonkeyNoNo::
none  ::MonkeyNoNo:: If true, I am sorry, but that is never an excuse to do what he has all done, never. And if his lawyers think that bringing this up in trial it is going to matter, it won't.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 12, 2010, 05:57:50 PM
O/T but shows the anger about RSO.  Yesterday my husband brought home a flyer from Boeing in Huntington Beach Ca. It showed 5 SO's living in a hotel in HB with their pictures and what they did, except for one. My husband just called me and there is a demonstration going on at the hotel and hosts of a radio station are there, sorry I don't know what station. And Boeing will no longer suggest this hotel to people that come there on business. The hotel is the Extended Stay of America 5050 Skylab Road.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Northern Rose on March 12, 2010, 06:27:57 PM
BLOCKED WEBSITE


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Northern Rose on March 12, 2010, 06:29:57 PM
Why Do Sexual Predators Get Released to Rape and Murder Again?

The scheduled release of yet another sexually violent predator raises the question of why this keeps happening. The Orange County District Attorney held a press conference to warn the community about a pending release, only to be interrupted to announce that the U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of Florida was going to issue an arrest warrant which would prevent the release. But, if it was not for pending charges from an out of state jurisdiction, another convicted serial child molester would be released from prison today.

Earlier this week, an Orange County jury recommended Rodney James Alcala receive the death penalty for kidnapping and murdering a 12-year-old Orange County girl, Robin Samsoe, and raping and murdering four Los Angeles County women in the 1970s. Now, The Orange County District Attorney's Office and Huntington Beach Police Department are seeking the public's help in identifying dozens of women and children featured in over 100 photographs found in Alcala’s Seattle storage locker.

Also this week, Huntington Beach police arrested David Bryan, a registered sex offender for attempting to meet a 13-year-old girl for sex. Fortunately, this was a police sting and nobody was harmed.

Chelsea King, 17, of San Diego County, was not so lucky. John Albert Gardner III, 30, a registered sex offender, was arrested on suspicion of rape and murder. In 2000, Gardner was convicted of a forcible lewd act on a child and false imprisonment. A psychiatrist who interviewed him said he would be a “continued danger to underage girls” because of the lack of remorse for his actions. He was sentenced to six years in prison as part of a plea agreement and served five years before he was released in 2005. He completed probation in 2008.

Yesterday, the Orange County District Attorney held a press conference to warn the community that a convicted serial child molester was scheduled to be released from prison today, after only serving just over three years in state prison. George Joseph England, 65, who spent 29 years as a fugitive after being found guilty of sexually assaulting three female children, also for 11 years molested Jackie Zudis, whom he purchased from her mother in Vietnam in the 1970s and claimed was his adopted daughter. He was not sentenced for those crimes because the victim did not report them to law enforcement until the statute of limitations had expired.

The Orange County District Attorney, OCDA, has a policy not to identify any victims of sexual assault. In this case, Jackie Zudis has asked that she be identified and her name and image be used to publicize the crimes committed against her by England and the danger he poses to society.
"This man spent a lifetime using young girls for his own perverse sexual gratification and never showing any remorse for the emotional and psychological baggage he left his victims to carry. I am sickened that my Office has been denied legal recourse to keep this child molester locked up away from children," stated District Attorney Tony Rackauckas. "Had he been convicted under the law today, England would be spending the rest of his life in prison. That's where he belongs, not on our streets and in our neighborhoods.”

After 29 years as a fugitive and an additional year in federal custody on passport fraud charges, England was returned to Orange County for sentencing in the 1977 conviction. On Sept. 1, 2006, England was sentenced to three years to life in state prison. But, under the sentencing laws of 1977, the maximum sentence he could serve in state prison was six years. Based on his prison credit for good time and work time, England was scheduled to be released today after serving just over three years.

"Beware: He's not changed, nor will he change," said Zudis as a warning to the community in a March 8, 2010, interview. "Your little girls are in trouble and you need to protect them, and you need to listen to them, and if you see them changing you need to question it and don't shield it. It's not some dirty little secret.”

In September 2009, the California Board of Parole Hearings found that England was not "suitable for parole" because he continues to "pose a current risk of danger if released into society." Nevertheless, he was scheduled for release today.

Even though England would have completed his prison term, the District Attorney has one last chance to keep such a person off the streets. This would be to have England committed to a state mental hospital under the Sexually Violent Predator, SVP, laws. The OCDA had planned to file a petition under this law to keep England in a mental institution upon completing his sentence. But, it was not to be.

In order to file a petition under the law, two independent evaluators from the Department of Mental Health must first determine whether the inmate meets the criteria of an SVP. If both evaluators opine that he meets the criteria, the case is forwarded to the OCDA for review and filing of a petition. If there is a difference of opinion, as there was in this case, two more evaluators are assigned the case and must agree that the inmate meets the criteria before forwarding the case to the OCDA to file an SVP petition. If one or both of the second group of evaluators does not conclude the person meets the SVP criteria, the person is released. End of story.

According to Nancy Kincaid, spokesperson for the California Department of Mental Health, “When an individual is referred by the Board of Prison Hearings for an evaluation by the Department of Mental Health, the Department of Mental Health, by law, cannot release the information to anyone, including the DA. It’s a privacy protected psychological evaluation.”

The Department of Mental Health informs the Board of Prison Hearings whether or not the person is an SVP, but no other information is provided. If the Department of Mental Health determines the person is not an SVP, as was the case with England, there is no further recourse for the DA and the person is released.

For a person to remain in state custody after they have served out their prison term, there must be mental illness involved. Kincaid told www.OC180NEWS.com “Many people would think that anyone who does something like this must have a mental illness, but that is just not necessarily the case.”

Is this case unusual? Kincaid said “No, not at all. There are tens of thousands of sex offenders who have gotten out of prison this way.”

The two people who make these irrevocable and unchallengeable conclusions are independent clinical psychologists, licensed by the State of California and specially trained for this kind of evaluation. But, they are not employees of the Department of Mental Health, their identities are not released, they are not subject to any public scrutiny, , and their conclusions are not challengeable by the Department of Mental Health, the DA, or anyone else.

The department supervises the process and the application of procedures by the evaluators, but “you can’t force a clinician to change their opinion”, said Kincaid. And, their opinions are absolutely binding if they decide a person is not an SPV.

The process of committing a person to a state mental institution applies after that person has served out their criminal sentence. Under new laws, namely the 2006 “Jessica’s Law”, the mandatory prison terms are much longer than those in effect when George England, Rodney Alcala, and John Gardner committed their crimes. Thus, Kincaid said “They would probably not be evaluated for SVP status because they would not get out of prison.”

http://www.oc180news.com/article/West_Orange_County_Features/Crime/Why_Do_Sexual_Predators_Get_Released_to_Rape_and_Murder_Again/18725


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Northern Rose on March 12, 2010, 06:31:12 PM
More Gardner Sympathizers Coming Out

What are some of the excuses being made for NOT wanting to keep people like John Albert Gardner locked up? "It's too expensive!"

Well that's just too damn bad.

It's awfully weird that California is one of the most expensive per-inmate states. So, here's a possible solution: Let's get rid of all the illegals and kill the sex offenders already. We should also look at other states that end up spending considerably less than us on the prison system... let's copy THEIR model... And voila! Costs go down.

California is literally bursting at the seams with bloat and waste. There's more than enough to cut without making our communities less safe.
 
FROM THE FOLLOWING UT EDITORIAL: "...are people's emotions getting the better of them?" Yes. You wanting sex offenders to be properly punished is apparently nothing more than a backlash based solely on emotions.

Good heavens! Liberalism REALLY IS a mental disorder.

Here's part of the Union Tribune article in question...

Is this one of those times that cooler heads need to prevail? If so, there's just one problem: finding cooler heads. Who's not burning up, me included?

Two girls are dead.

Two girls, innocently going about their days. One, heading off to school. The other, going for a run.

It's no wonder people are clamoring for all sorts of get-tough action against sexual predators.

County Supervisor Dianne Jacob said anyone who commits a violent or sexual crime against a child should either be executed or thrown in prison and not let out.

An Escondido woman, Karen Doll-Murphy, has started a Facebook page — Support One Strike Law for Sex Offenders — in the wake of the killing of Chelsea King, 17, the Poway High School senior who disappeared Feb. 25.

Up for less than a week, the page already has more than 6,000 members.

"People are sick of seeing nothing happen to these predators," said Doll-Murphy, 49, who works as life coach.
But is her quest really a good idea? Or are people's emotions getting the better of them?

Prisons are overcrowded already. The state is broke, forcing it to release thousands of nonviolent prisoners.

And what kinds of sexual crimes would qualify for the punishment? John Gardner, the man charged in Chelsea's death, pleaded guilty to forcible lewd acts and false imprisonment of a 13-year-old girl in 2000. He accepted a plea agreement that gave him six years in prison. He served five.

Did his initial crime deserve life?

Jacob, for one, thinks Gardner, then 20, should have been put away for good then and there.

MORE...

http://www.760kfmb.com/Global/story.asp?S=12130801


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 12, 2010, 06:31:48 PM
BLOCKED WEBSITE
Thank-you, at least that is something, but I won't hold my breath  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Northern Rose on March 12, 2010, 07:44:04 PM
Comment:

This 'mother' lied to potential character witnesses in the 2000 trial, in order that the girls would say nice things about John.
As of late last week she told my daughter "can you believe that they're trying to pin this on John?". My daughter said "well, DNA doesn't lie". Kathy replied "well you know my John wouldn't do such a thing.
 
I could go on, but that's enough for right now.

http://www.10news.com/news/22816642/detail.html


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Northern Rose on March 12, 2010, 07:59:21 PM
Thousands Of Sunflowers Donated For Chelsea King’s Memorial Service

SAN DIEGO — Poway High School's football stadium will be awash in yellow and blue Saturday as the community gathers to remember Chelsea King.

8,000 sunflowers will help add a splash of color to the remembrance. King disappeared while jogging at Rancho Bernardo Community park more than two weeks ago. A registered sex offender is in custody and charged with her murder.

Florist Carma White says she hopes the flowers help lift the community's spirit.

"What flowers bring is emotion to an event, regardless if that's a funeral, wedding, birthday, get well," she says. "Flowers bring an emotion and when you look at that emotion you see what people are trying to do. They're trying to show their love and their sympathy and their support for whatever situation is going on."

White says she and two other florist donated the flowers and their time. The service begins at 2 p.m. and is expected to last a couple of hours.

http://www.kpbs.org/news/2010/mar/12/thousands-sunflowers-donated-chelsea-kings-memoria/


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Northern Rose on March 12, 2010, 08:01:18 PM
Governor Asks State Board To Review Sex Offender Case

SAN DIEGO -- Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger Friday directed the state Sex Offender Management Board to review the John Albert Gardner III case to determine whether systemic changes or improvements can be made to better protect the public.

Gardner, a 30-year-old registered sex offender, is charged with the rape and murder of 17-year-old Poway High senior Chelsea King.

She disappeared Feb. 25 while running behind Rancho Bernardo Community Park. Her body was discovered five days later in a shallow grave in a tributary of nearby Lake Hodges.

"We must learn from what happened in this case to make sure the public is protected from sexual predators," the governor said. "I have asked the Sex Offender Management Board to review this case and recommend what policy changes or improvements need to be made to make our communities as safe as possible."

Schwarzenegger signed legislation in 2006 creating the Sex Offender Management Board. The board was tasked with assessing practices in the management of sex offenders under supervision and making recommendations for the Legislature on how to implement the changes.

State corrections officials said Gardner racked up seven parole violations during the three years he was on parole for attacking a 13-year-old girl in Rancho Bernardo in 2000, but none were considered significant enough to send him back to prison.

Gardner served five years of a six-year prison sentence for attacking the neighbor girl in his mother's Rancho Bernardo townhouse.

The District Attorney's Office made a plea deal with Gardner to spare the victim from testifying at trial, despite a psychiatrist's report that Gardner showed no remorse and should get the maximum sentence of 30 years in prison.

Gardner was registered as a sex offender in Lake Elsinore but was staying with his mother in her townhouse when he was arrested in Chelsea's death Feb. 28. The townhouse is about a mile from Rancho Bernardo Community Park.

In addition to Chelsea's death, Gardner is charged with attacking a young female jogger in the same area in late December. In that case, the jogger elbowed her attacker and ran away.

Gardner is also a focal point of the investigation into the February 2009 slaying of Amber Dubois, according to Escondido police. The Escondido teen was 14 when she disappeared while walking to school. Her body was found earlier this month.

Escondido police said someone compelled by Chelsea's death came forward with a tip that led to the discovery of Amber's body in the Pala area.

Gardner could face the death penalty if convicted of Chelsea's death. A preliminary hearing is set for Aug. 4.

http://www.10news.com/news/22827089/detail.html


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: klaasend on March 12, 2010, 08:46:34 PM
Watch live tomorrow at 2pm:

http://www.10news.com/index.html

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub8/ChelseaMemorial031310.jpg)


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Northern Rose on March 12, 2010, 09:16:59 PM
Friend remembers 'wild and crazy' Gardner
She says the accused killer once confided in her about abuse by a male relative

(http://media.signonsandiego.com/img/photos/2010/03/12/gardtie1_t352.bmp?980751187beea6fc26a3a9e93795d379f58af1c4)
John Gardner was dressed up for a 2000 court appearance when he went to visit friends in Cedar Glen


(http://media.signonsandiego.com/img/photos/2010/03/12/gardjeans3_t352.bmp?980751187beea6fc26a3a9e93795d379f58af1c4)
John Gardner changed clothes to help a friend unload a truck the day he visited Cedar Glen dressed for a 2000 court appearance.

(http://media.signonsandiego.com/img/photos/2010/03/12/gardtie2_t352.bmp?980751187beea6fc26a3a9e93795d379f58af1c4)
John Gardner was dressed up for a 2000 court appearance when he went to visit friends in Cedar Glen.

This is the John Albert Gardner III that Jennifer Brandt knows.

The wacky guy who walks into convenience stores wearing nothing but a paper bag over his head and yells, “I’m naked.” Or holds onto car bumpers to get hauled up mountain roads on in-line skates as they smoke and melt.

Brandt, who graduated with Gardner from Rim of the World High School in Lake Arrowhead in 1997 and was a close friend for the next few years, remembered him as “kind of wild and crazy, always trying to get attention.”

Gardner, convicted of molesting a 13-year-old girl in 2000 at age 20, is now accused of killing and raping Poway teenager Chelsea King, and is under investigation in the death of Escondido teenager Amber Dubois.

Brandt, 31, who lives in Indianapolis, Ind. now, said today that Gardner so liked to be the center of attention that before one of his court appearances in 2000 he flexed muscles in a shirt and tie for a camera, then climbed a tall tree wearing bluejeans and no shirt.

That day, Brandt said, Gardner took off his court get-up — and threw on the bluejeans temporarily — to help a friend unload lumber from the back of a truck.

Brandt said several friends from the San Bernardino Mountains were gathering in Cedar Glen to wish him well in court before he headed to San Diego with some of them.

“He professed his innocence to us, and since he had never done anything like that, we believed him,” she said.

Brandt said she was close enough to Gardner before his 2000 court conviction that he would confide in her about the bipolar disorder that he’d been diagnosed with and that sometimes he showed signs of it.

“Most of the time he was pretty up,” she said.

He told her he felt suicidal after one girlfriend broke up with him, and he told her a male relative had sexually abused him more than once when he was younger.

One time, she was visiting Gardner in Rancho Bernardo, where he moved in 1998, and she drove him to a grocery store, where he stole two bottles of booze.

“When he came out, he didn’t have any bags,” she said. “And I said, ‘Why did you go in?’”

He proceeded to pull out two bottles of alcohol from his pants, she said.

She said she didn’t see him drunk or drinking often, but that day, “We went back and got drunk and got silly.”

Another time, he gathered some friends from San Bernardino County and drove them down to watch an ice hockey practice of his, she said.

“He loved ice hockey,” she said. “It was something he was passionate about. But he got kicked off or didn’t make the team because he had been late several times. They didn’t want him around if he was going to be late.”

Gardner first told his friends that the 13-year-old victim he molested and hit in the head in 2000 was blaming him for something a boyfriend did to her, Brandt said.

After he pleaded guilty, these friends stopped supporting him and “were all devastated,” she said.

“It was so horrific that none of us wanted to talk about it at the time,” Brandt said.

And none of her friends have any desire to talk about the latest allegations, she said.

“He learned a lot of bad habits in prison,” she said of Gardner. “But he earned the right to be there.”

Brandt said there’s no way anyone could have predicted their friend would face the future he does.

“You can put all that together and say this is what has led up to that,” she said. “But there are people out there who have all that done to them, and they don’t go around killing people. You just never know who it’s going to be and what’s going to cause it.”

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/mar/12/gardnerfriend/


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Northern Rose on March 12, 2010, 09:20:22 PM
(http://media.signonsandiego.com/img/photos/2010/03/12/gardjeans1_t620.jpg?3ba288e077780dca5879b70fc3e0b2d025cf5799)

(http://media.signonsandiego.com/img/photos/2010/03/12/gardjeans2_t620.jpg?3ba288e077780dca5879b70fc3e0b2d025cf5799)

(http://media.signonsandiego.com/img/photos/2010/03/12/gardtie3_t620.jpg?3ba288e077780dca5879b70fc3e0b2d025cf5799)

http://www.signonsandiego.com/photos/galleries/2010/mar/12/gardner2000/7083/


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Northern Rose on March 12, 2010, 09:21:56 PM
Memorial Celebration for Chelsea King

 
LOS ANGELES (KNX 1070 NEWSRADIO)  -- Thousands are expected to attend a public memorial for Chelsea King tomorrow afternoon at Poway High School. The memorial has a scheduled start time of 2 p.m. and will be held at the high school's stadium.

Poway High School stadium, which can seat about 6,000 people, is expected to be at full capacity. Priority passes are being given to the King family’s relatives, friends, supporters and members of the Poway High School community. After pass-holders are admitted, the public will be allowed in as space allows.

The King family has asked that people tie a blue ribbon around a tree in their communities to honor Chelsea or make a donation to Chelsea’s Light, which can be done at any Wells Fargo Bank in the United States.

There will also be a live video stream of the memorial at www.10news.com 

http://www.knx1070.com/Memorial-Celebration-for-Chelsea-King/6564347


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Northern Rose on March 12, 2010, 09:22:56 PM
Chelsea's Light fundraiser held at Lake Poway

POWAY — About 75 children and their parents gathered Friday afternoon on a ball field at Lake Poway for a self-defense and safety-awareness fundraiser with profits going toward Chelsea’s Light, the charity established by the parents of slain Poway teen Chelsea King.

Organizers, based on social networking and word of mouth, had been hoping for a larger crowd. Brent and Kelly King, Chelsea’s parents, did not attend but a letter on their behalf was read to the gathering:

“The compassion, love, and strength displayed by the community has been beyond words. We need to stand together and fight on all fronts to provide our children a world safe from the nightmare we are experiencing.

“What you are doing today honors both Chelsea’s spirit and her wish for everyone to be empowered in all aspects of their lives. Chelsea was a very strong girl. Be assured that her soul is even stronger now and helping to drive each of us.

“She is with you all today. She is encouraging and cheering you on. Chelsea is and will always continue to be the light that guides us. It will never dim with your love and dedication to help make this a safer world for our children.”

The children heard a representative of the Sheriff’s Department tell them to always be aware of their surroundings and to never go out in public alone. And a Tae Kwon Do expert showed them techniques to fight off an attacker.

Lake Poway is less than a mile from Poway High School where Chelsea had been a senior. On Saturday, a “memorial celebration” will be held at the school’s stadium.

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/mar/12/chelseas-light-fund-raiser-held-lake-poway/


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Northern Rose on March 12, 2010, 09:27:08 PM
(http://media.signonsandiego.com/img/photos/2010/03/12/gardjeans1_t620.jpg?3ba288e077780dca5879b70fc3e0b2d025cf5799)

(http://media.signonsandiego.com/img/photos/2010/03/12/gardjeans2_t620.jpg?3ba288e077780dca5879b70fc3e0b2d025cf5799)

(http://media.signonsandiego.com/img/photos/2010/03/12/gardtie3_t620.jpg?3ba288e077780dca5879b70fc3e0b2d025cf5799)

http://www.signonsandiego.com/photos/galleries/2010/mar/12/gardner2000/7083/

Sorry but these images of him before his 2000 court for the beating and molestation of a 13 year do not look like "Catherine Osborn, wrote to the judge in the 2000 case that he accepted 'full responsibility for his actions.'"  I am not a psych nurse so could be wrong.  JMO


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: cw618 on March 12, 2010, 09:29:56 PM
those poses of JAG are classic prison poses
guess you can take the man, out of prison
but cant take the prison out of the man


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: cw618 on March 12, 2010, 09:33:32 PM
Quote
Friend remembers 'wild and crazy' Gardner
She says the accused killer once confided in her about abuse by a male relative

wonder if his mother ignored that info, if she knew about it, maybe thats the
issue he has with mom


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 12, 2010, 10:07:38 PM
Quote
Friend remembers 'wild and crazy' Gardner
She says the accused killer once confided in her about abuse by a male relative

wonder if his mother ignored that info, if she knew about it, maybe thats the
issue he has with mom
Excellent point, that could very well be.  Thanks Northern for all those pictures, all I can say is WTH  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: cw618 on March 12, 2010, 11:12:21 PM
whoops forgot something, can you believe he wore this to court



Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Northern Rose on March 12, 2010, 11:34:26 PM
Doctor: Gardner's Childhood Could Explain Adult Behavior

SAN DIEGO -- A local psychologist told 10News John Gardner's childhood could explain his behavior as an adult.

10News spoke with psychologist David Gruder, who said, "Children learn from modeling. All of us learn from what's modeled to us. Not from what we're told."

10News learned Gardner's mother, Cathy Osborn, is a member of the Hash House Harriers, an adult running club. Pictures obtained by 10News showed club members, including Osborn, partying half-naked or completely naked after a run.

Gruder said any child exposed to such behavior would be impacted.

"If this is part of the environment that a child grows up in, then that child starts to believe as a child that this is part of what's normal and that it's OK for them to follow in those footsteps," said Gruder.

There is no proof that Gardner ever saw his mother with the club or knew about it.

Meanwhile, a childhood friend of Gardner's told a Lake Arrowhead (Riverside County) newspaper that as a teen Gardner admitted to having bipolar disorder. He also said he had been sexually abused by a male member of his family.

Gruder said that shouldn't be a surprise because many sexual predators were victims themselves, and those victims react differently as adults.

"They'll either go to one extreme where they become very, very asexual or anti-sexual, or extreme in terms of their hatred of sexuality or they will go to the other extreme or become very indulgent in their sexuality. But that indulgence can take many forms," said Gruder.

Gruder said none of what happened in John Gardner's childhood is his fault.

"The responsibility for doing the damage is of course on the shoulders of those who did not parent this boy properly," Gruder said.

However, according to Gruder, Gardner's actions as a 20-year-old, when he was convicted for committing a lewd act on a 13-year-old girl, cannot be blamed on anyone else.

"The responsibility of adult actions is squarely on our shoulders as adults and not with our parents anymore," Gruder explained. "That's part of what being a mature adult requires of us."

Gruder said the only time someone else could be held responsible is when the suspect is a ward of the state and considered insane, and Gardner was neither.

http://www.10news.com/news/22828163/detail.html


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: labubske on March 13, 2010, 12:14:53 AM
I wonder who the "unkempt man who was about 6 feet tall" was, and if they are interviewing this girl? Similarities? Working in tandem?

Girl grabbed while running in Kit Carson Park

By Jose Luis Jiménez

Thursday, September 3, 2009 at 8:07 p.m.

ESCONDIDO – A student training for her high school cross-country team was grabbed by a stranger while she was running through an Escondido park Thursday afternoon, police said.

The 17-year-old was jogging through Kit Carson Park about 3:25 p.m. when she fell behind other runners and bumped into a man in the park, said Escondido police Lt. James Stuard. The man then grabbed her by the arm and asked her to “stick around for a while,” Stuard said.

The girl broke free and contacted a park ranger, who called police. Officers searched the area by ground and with a helicopter, but the man was not found.

The man was described as white, 25 to 30 years old, about 5 feet 8 inches tall, weighing about 130 pounds with brown hair and a reddish beard. He was seen wearing a black shirt, dark blue pants and glasses.

He was with another white man, about the same age and 5 feet 9 inches to 6 feet tall, who was described as “unkempt,” Stuard said.
Who is this second man? AND...

Dr. Divy Kikani, a psychiatrist who treated Gardner for bipolar disorder, wrote that his patient was "extremely remorseful" for inappropriate sexual relations with two girls, ages 13 and 14. He said Gardner was "highly motivated" to get help. I wonder if this Dr.  worked with his mom?  Found at: http://forum.signonsandiego.com/showthread.php?t=104578&page=22


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: labubske on March 13, 2010, 12:29:26 AM
"I don't really know the time line as far as when she left to go running, but I heard her father went to the park looking for her around 7. This creep really did not have much time assuming she went home from school, got ready, etc. before going out. How fast can a person really dig a grave? It seems this must have been planned out in advance. We will find this out during the course of the trial I assume." taken from →http://forum.signonsandiego.com/showthread.php?t=104578&page=40 

This is an interesting theory.  Does anyone know the timeline?  It seems that there wasn't a lot of time.  How close to the car was Chelsea found?  I'm sure Dad would have started searching close to the car.  He probably came real close to her if she was found close.  Could JAG have planned this out?  I have read reports that a knife was found close by...and then reports from a prior attack seems to describe JAG and an unkempt male.  Was someone helping him?  Was he planning this ahead of time?  I really didn't think so until I read some of the comments made. 


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Northern Rose on March 13, 2010, 12:58:35 AM
A Brief Statement from Scripps

Scripps shares the community’s grief over the tragic death of Chelsea King. Many members of our staff were involved in her search and, like you, our thoughts and prayers are with her family.

We recognize this tragedy has generated strong feelings and emotions. We must balance those feelings with the rights of our employees. Just as we protect the privacy of our patients, we also respect and protect the privacy of our employees. For that reason, we will not publicly discuss the employment status of Cathy Osborn, or any other employee.

The safety of our patients and staff is our highest concern, and that concern is our top consideration in all staffing decisions we make.

We ask that you respect the privacy of our staff and patients during this time.

Thank you.


http://www.scripps.org/about-us__news-center__a-brief-statement-from-scripps


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Northern Rose on March 13, 2010, 01:16:03 AM
Death Be Not Proud...For You Took The Wrong Ones!

"The Angel Of Death hears your last breath/meanwhile the Reaper looks on!" --Iron Maiden, from "The Duellists" on POWERSLAVE.

Two young lasses gone too soon. One perv charged with both killings-- Open and shut case, right... Or is it?

Remember the Van Damms? They lost little Danielle to the sick lusts of a perv now on Death Row.

Though Westerfield was guilty, the "court of public opinion" put the Van Damms on trial for their lifestyle.

All that it would take was one to render justice into hamburger. Westerfield was hoping that such was to be.

Now, ten years into the new millenium, John Gardner faces the needle for two counts of kidnapping, rape, and murder-- but will justice prevail?

All that it takes is one juror to cheat the State of the supreme penalty. Only one to give him life in prison-- but his life will be short.

For if Gardner is convicted and given two life terms for his misdeeds, it would still be a death sentence-- only carried out by his fellow convicts.

Either way-- it's "DEAD PERV WALKING" if Gardner is convicted.

Why did that schmuck get out, when he belonged at Coalinga State Hospital... never to breathe free air again?

Death, be not proud of your deed-- for you took two innocents, but left us with a real schmuck that you should have taken!

LPR (Beware the rage of a teddy bear that's "gone Grizzly!")

http://www.sandiegoreader.com/weblogs/vista-blues/2010/mar/12/death-be-not-proudfor-you-took-the-wrong-ones/


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Northern Rose on March 13, 2010, 01:45:38 AM
REGION: Gardner drove 3 cars, was stopped several times
Murder suspect cited for marijuana possession, traffic violations


Over the last three years, registered sex offender John Albert Gardner III was stopped at least seven times in San Diego and Riverside counties for traffic violations.

He drove at least three separate cars, including one matching a vehicle involved in a 2009 Lake Elsinore attempted child abduction, according to officials and court records.

Gardner is charged with the murder of Poway teen Chelsea King and is a suspect in the death of Escondido teen Amber Dubois. The teens were found dead five days apart, in separate North County graves early this month.

The grim finds, combined with revelations of Gardner's sexual assault history, have unleashed waves of anger and calls for stronger sex offender laws nationwide.

Amid that anger and those calls, authorities continue to investigate whether Gardner is responsible for other violent child sex crimes.

His traffic record adds somewhat to Gardner's picture. It shows, at least, the cars he drove, when and where he drove them, and some of his legal troubles.

According to a citation from a June 11, 2009, traffic stop, Gardner was driving a gold 1999 Pontiac Grand Prix north of Escondido. (A car of similar make and model was seized Thursday from an Escondido junk yard and taken to a city holding facility.) He was cited for driving without insurance on Interstate 15 near West Lilac Road. The gold Grand Prix matches the description of a vehicle used in an attempted child abduction reported on Oct. 28, 2009, in Lake Elsinore.

In that case, a man reportedly tried to take a girl at gunpoint as she walked to school on Machado Street. The girl's description of the suspect, and a composite sketch of him, bear a strong resemblance to Gardner.

Riverside County sheriff's officials refused to comment Friday about whether Gardner is a suspect in the October 2009 attempted abduction. They've said in the past they were looking into the possibility Gardner was connected. On Friday, they cited a gag order issued by a San Diego Superior Court judge this week in the Chelsea King case.

In addition to the June 2009 stop, Gardner's other traffic violations include:

-- Jan. 30, 2010; cited for expired registration and no proof of insurance in Lake Elsinore during a DUI checkpoint. He was driving a black 2002 Nissan Sentra at Corydon and Cereal streets.

-- April 2, 2009; cited for having an open container of alcohol, driving without a license and without a license plate on the front of the car in Escondido on El Norte Parkway at North Iris Drive. Gardner was driving a gray four-door Ford Focus at the time. The year was not noted on the citation.

-- Nov. 19, 2008; cited for misdemeanor marijuana possession while driving in Oceanside near Buccaneer Park. Gardner was driving a white 2004 Chevrolet Silverado truck at the time.

Gardner was ordered to pay several hundred dollars in fines in each case.

Court records also show Gardner was convicted of speeding in June 2008 and of a red-light violation in December 2006. Details of those cases, including the type of car he was driving and where, were not available Friday.

Gardner is listed as an Escondido resident, living at a Rock Springs East apartment complex, on the citations from November 2008 and June and April 2009.

The complex is less than two miles from Escondido High School. Amber Dubois vanished Feb. 13, 2009, while walking to the school. She was 14 at the time and a freshman.

Escondido police refused to comment Friday about anything related to Gardner, also citing the recent gag order.

Amber's remains were found in a grave north of Pala on March 6, after more than a year of extensive searches.

Chelsea King vanished Feb. 25 after going for a run at Lake Hodges. Her body, after a week of searches, was found in a grave near the lake on March 2.

Gardner remains in custody without bail.

http://www.nctimes.com/news/local/sdcounty/article_f6fa566f-fbaf-5e16-aee3-330412c4eeea.html


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: labubske on March 13, 2010, 08:19:38 AM
http://mt1.google.com/vt/lyrs=m@119&hl=en&x=715&y=1650&z=12&s=Gal

Child Stalking & Abduction Incidents
Click on links below to view recent reports of children approached by strangers in Poway and along the Highway 56 corridor.
1,278 views - Public
Created on Mar 23, 2009 - Updated Mar 25, 2009
By KFMB News 8
Rate this map - Write a comment   Torrey Meadows Dr., San Diego
Wed, March 18, 2009 - 3:00 pm 12-year-old girl White Ford box utility van Suspects: Three Hispanic males mid 20s inside van. Girl walking home after being dropped off by a school bus reported a white ...
   Torrey Meadows Dr. & Torrey Santa Fe Rd., San Diego
Thurs, March 12, 2009 - 2:30pm 7-year-old girl White Ford box utility van Suspects: Hispanic male driver, mid-20s and two Hispanic passengers. Mother reports seeing a white van stalking her daughter, ...
   14000 Via Fiesta, San Diego
Tues, Feb 3, 2009 - 4:00 pm 11-year-old girl Vehicle: Blue convertible Suspects: Hispanic male mid 20s. Attempted kidnapping of an 11-year-old girl that occurred in Black Mountain Ranch. The victim wa...
   9th Street, Poway
Mon, Feb. 2, 2009 - 3:15pm 11-year-old girl Vehile: motorhome. Suspects: 2 Hispanic males. Girl was approached on 9th Street near Pomerado Elementary School. The girl ran away. Suspects are two Hispan...
   Scots Way & Midland Rd., Poway
Thurs, Jan 29, 2009 - 5:30pm 12-year-old girl Vehicle: White box-type utility van Suspects: 3 Hispanic males, 20 to 30 years of age. A 12-year-old female juvenile was walking home in the area of Scots...
   Poway Rd. & Pomerado Rd., Poway
Tues, Jan 27, 2009 - 3:15pm 2 hispanic boys
I tried to copy the map too but could not.  This is from 2009,  so the recent attempted abductions should be placed on this list and map as well.  There seems to be a relation.  Just posting it for your awareness, those of you in the San Diego area.
Found at: http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&hl=en&msa=0&msid=107792725227373756468.000465d184cb91081a7fd&ll=32.965179,-117.108765&spn=0.143448,0.219727&z=12


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: labubske on March 13, 2010, 08:28:18 AM
the first link (map) of my last post does not show the full map... bottom link does and it has all of the information on it.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: theboyzmom on March 13, 2010, 08:57:47 AM
O/T but shows the anger about RSO.  Yesterday my husband brought home a flyer from Boeing in Huntington Beach Ca. It showed 5 SO's living in a hotel in HB with their pictures and what they did, except for one. My husband just called me and there is a demonstration going on at the hotel and hosts of a radio station are there, sorry I don't know what station. And Boeing will no longer suggest this hotel to people that come there on business. The hotel is the Extended Stay of America 5050 Skylab Road.

I applaud Boeing for at least standing up some. The fact is that way too many people buy the BS that SOs can be changed. They CAN NOT. It is amazing to me that even when the average person knows that once a pervert always a pervert, the powers that be can not see it. SOs are great at hiding - they can hide where ever they are. I can almost understand the average person being fooled by them, but not the people in power that see, time after time, the simple fact is that SOs do not change. Strange how we are learing to accept that gay/bi/transgendered people do not choose their sexual orientation and can not be "changed" but we fail to see that SOs also can not be changed. Just so stupid to me.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: klaasend on March 13, 2010, 09:05:45 AM
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=7233.msg1093120#new

Gardner not kept on short leash, documents show
Parole records indicate several infractions


By Mike Gardner,

Jeff McDonald, UNION-TRIBUNE STAFF WRITER

When John Albert Gardner III walked out of a Central Valley prison a free man in September 2005, state prison officials classified the convicted sex offender as a “high control” parolee.

That meant agents should conduct two face-to-face checks on Gardner every month, including one unannounced visit to his home. It also meant surprise drug testing, mandatory counseling and a vigilance on the part of parole agents reserved for the worst offenders.

The 43 pages of parole records released by prison officials Thursday do not show whether those practices were followed in Gardner’s 2000 case, in which he pleaded guilty to molesting a 13-year-old Rancho Bernardo neighbor.

But they do show that agents and their supervisors passed up opportunity after opportunity to return Gardner to prison — an action that might have safeguarded the lives of two North County teenagers. He is charged in the killing of one and is a focus of the investigation of the other.

“This guy should never had been released from parole,” said Caroline Aguirre, a retired parole agent of 24 years who has been following the Gardner case. “This business of sex offenders not being properly supervised has been going on for years.”

Gardner was charged last week with rape and murder in the death of Chelsea King, a 17-year-old Poway girl who went to go running around Lake Hodges on Feb. 25 and never returned. He is also under investigation in the February 2009 disappearance of Amber Dubois, a 14-year-old from Escondido whose remains were found near Pala on March 6.

Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger yesterday ordered a probe into the handling of Gardner’s previous case, from prosecution through parole.

A prominent victims’ rights advocate defended parole agents, saying they are pressured to look the other way because of budget constraints and overcrowding in the prison system.

“That’s not where the heat should be going,” said Harriet Salarno, president of Crime Victims United. “The heat should be going upstairs to the administration. ... If this guy had seven violations, the parole agents would want to return him.”

Todd Spitzer, a former Republican assemblyman who chaired a prison oversight committee, said it has been well-documented that supervisors were discharging offenders from parole over the objections of agents in the field. The reason? Prisons are packed, Spitzer said.

“They cared more about overcrowding than public safety,” said Spitzer, now an assistant district attorney in Orange County.

In the Gardner case, “there is a very strong probability” that field agents were overruled, but “we don’t know for sure yet,” Spitzer said. That information may be stored in Gardner’s “central file,” which prison officials have refused to release.

State Auditor Elaine Howle, in an investigation, discovered that from Jan. 1, 2007, to March 31, 2008, 20 percent of the 156 cases reviewed indicated that “district administrators discharged parolees against both the parole agents’ and unit supervisors’ recommendations to retain them and often did not provide written justification for discharging parolees, contrary to staff recommendations.”

Prison officials did not respond to questions yesterday. But in an interview Thursday, Assistant Corrections Secretary Oscar Hidalgo said his agents followed well-established procedures in monitoring Gardner.

“As a law enforcement agency, we have to apply a consistent level of revocations or corrections as a whole,” he said.

Gardner was convicted in 2000 of two counts of committing lewd and lascivious acts on a 13-year-old girl and a charge of false imprisonment. He served just over five years of a six-year sentence before he was placed on parole for three years on Sept. 26, 2005.

Records show that Gardner violated conditions of his parole at least seven times, any one of which could have resulted in his return to prison. The most serious violation occurred in September 2007, when he lived in an apartment near Miramar College and its day-care center. It also was close to Scripps Ranch High School and Hourglass Field Community Park.

That was the only incident resulting in a referral to the Board of Parole Hearings, which allowed Gardner to continue on parole after a hearing in September 2007. The records for that hearing state, “There have been no parole violations, positive anti-narcotic tests or law enforcement contact/arrests.”

But documents obtained by The San Diego Union-Tribune show that Gardner was stopped for running a red light in Loma Linda on Dec. 12, 2006. He also was ticketed in San Diego on Jan. 11, 2007, though that citation was dismissed three months later after he completed traffic court.

If the convicted sex offender had been returned to prison, his parole would have become subject to at least some provisions of Jessica’s Law, passed by voters in 2006, including possible confinement at a mental hospital or lifetime GPS monitoring.

A handwritten note in Gardner’s parole records from August 2007 says, “Continued structure & supervision is warranted for community protection.”

Retired parole agent Graham McGruer said the circumstances — as well as the underlying crimes that landed Gardner in prison 10 years ago — should have prompted parole officials to do more.

“Those are red flags,” said McGruer, who lives in Chula Vista. “A parole agent needs to spend extra time looking at this individual because he’s popping up in the system. This guy would not have fallen through the cracks if parole (agents) had been checking up on what he was doing.”

Hidalgo declined to respond to those criticisms, but said multiple traffic infractions typically are not reason enough to send a parolee back to prison.

San Diego criminal defense attorney Donald Levine said supervising agents encounter parolees who behave much worse than did Gardner. “They’re definitely going to prioritize,” Levine said. “But when you have a person on parole for the heinous crime he committed, you’ve got to be hypervigilant.”

Gardner continued to cross paths with police and other law enforcement officers after completing parole.

He collected four citations in 15 months, according to records in various courts.

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub8/GardnerCitations.jpg)




Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: klaasend on March 13, 2010, 10:06:21 AM
Watch live tomorrow at 2pm:

http://www.10news.com/index.html

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub8/ChelseaMemorial031310.jpg)

TODAY at 2pm PST you can watch the public memorial at the above link LIVE


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: klaasend on March 13, 2010, 12:41:03 PM
http://www.10news.com/news/22831432/detail.html

Thousands To Gather For Chelsea King Memorial

POSTED: 9:24 am PST March 13, 2010

SAN DIEGO -- Family, friends and classmates of slain Poway High senior Chelsea King will gather by the hundreds Saturday in the school's football stadium, along with throngs of people the teen never met, to celebrate her life and to share in the grief of her loss.

Thousands of people are expected on the North County campus for the 2 p.m. memorial, which will provide a focal point for a mass outpouring of grief and outrage over the slaying of a straight-A student who seemed to have the brightest of futures.

Early in the morning, all of the roughly 6,000 passes for seating at the event had been handed out, and King family spokeswoman Sara Muller Fraunces said the stadium has reached its seating capacity.

Fraunces encouraged members of the general public wishing to view the memorial to view it online. Anticipating a crush of mourners, Chelsea's family issued priority seating passes to her relatives, close friends and fellow Poway High students.

The amount of community interest in the memorial "has exceeded anyone's expectation and grows each day," Fraunces said earlier this week. "Therefore, we are working closely with officials from (the school), Poway Unified School District, the Sheriff's Department, other law enforcement agencies and scores of San Diego businesses donating their services to meet the event's needs," Fraunces said.

Chelsea's parents, Brent and Kelly King, said they "never anticipated that so many people would want to honor Chelsea in this way, and very much wish we could accommodate every single person." "We apologize in advance if that turns out not to be the case," they added.

Chelsea, an avid cross-country runner, disappeared Feb. 25 while going for an after-school run in Rancho Bernardo Community Park. An search by law enforcement teams from numerous agencies aided by thousands of citizen volunteers ended five days later with the discovery of the girl's body in a shallow grave along a tributary to Lake Hodges.

Three days after Chelsea went missing, registered sex offender John Albert Gardner III, 30, was arrested on suspicion of sexually assaulting and killing her. Police said DNA found on Chelsea's underwear incriminated Gardner.

Gardner is also charged with sexually assaulting a woman in the same park Dec. 27.

He is also being investigated in the disappearance and apparent murder of 14-year-old Amber Dubois, who vanished while walking to school in February 2009. The Escondido High School freshman's skeletal remains were found Saturday on a hillside in Pala, near the Riverside County border.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: klaasend on March 13, 2010, 12:47:48 PM
http://www.cbs8.com/Global/story.asp?S=12131701

Ex-friend: Gardner sexually abused and suicidal over breakup
Posted: Mar 12, 2010 12:03 PM PST Updated: Mar 13, 2010 8:18 AM PST
Click image to enlarge

(CBS 8) - A former close friend of accused killer John Gardner has come forward with shocking revelations about his past.

Jennifer Brandt and Gardner weren't close in high school, but became friends shortly after they graduated from the Class of 1997 at Rim of the World high school near Lake Arrowhead, California.

"He was a fun and crazy guy," Brandt said.

That was the John Gardner who Jennifer Brandt thought she knew, until his 2000 conviction for molesting and assaulting a 13-year-old girl.

"Pretty much all of his friends were hurt and betrayed by him after that.  We stopped all contact with him," Brandt said.

She hasn't spoken to Gardner since then. In fact, she says she hasn't even thought of his name in years, until he made national headlines.

"It was shocking. This was a guy I hung out with, I stayed the night on his couch," she said.

She told News 8 on the phone from Indianapolis that John once admitted to her a dark secret.

"He had on one occasion spoken to me about how a male family member had sexually abused him when he was young. He was almost in tears talking about it. I don't even remember how the subject was brought up but it was obviously something he needed to talk about, and I was there to listen," she said.

Gardner is accused of raping and murdering 17-year-old Chelsea King, and a suspect in the murder of 14-year-old Amber Dubois as well.

"It's very painful right now.  We had several very deep conversations," Brandt said of her former friendship with Gardner.

She says Gardner admitted he had major mood swings and claimed his mother once committed him to a mental hospital.

On one occasion, she and her friends watched from a car while Gardner streaked a convenience store, Brandt told News 8.

"He got completely naked and put a bag on his head and ran in the store.  And the thing that was funny was, there was nobody in the store.  The clerk was in the back," she recalled.

Gardner also threatened suicide a couple years after high school when his then girlfriend Jennifer Tripp dumped him, said Brandt.  Tripp is a couple years younger than Gardner and was still in school at the time of the breakup, according to Brandt.

"He missed her and he would cry about it and there was nothing left to live for without her," Brandt recalled Gardner telling her.

Brandt also believes Tripp – the girlfriend who broke Gardner's heart -- resembles both Chelsea King and Amber Dubois.

"From the photos that I see… the blue eyes, the straight hair… they all look like the girl he dated in high school and broke his heart," Brandt said.

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub8/TrippAmberChelsea.jpg)



Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 13, 2010, 01:04:37 PM
Oh my how disturbing is that, the old girlfriend has some resemblance to Chelsea and Amber  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Nut44x4 on March 13, 2010, 01:36:05 PM
LE needs to assign a task force to concentrate on girls/young women who have gone missing throughout the area of the map posted on the previous page and get busy weeding through possiblities of a connection to this pig. If he did kill Amber, I doubt she was his 'first kill'. If he didn't kill Amber, then no way was Chelsea his 'first kill'. He has been a predator in the area for too long to just now start killing. I know 'someone' had to be his first, but I think it was many years ago.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: ChiChi on March 13, 2010, 02:43:23 PM
do we have the dob for JAG? I don't have it at this moment.... not sure if it has been posted yet.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: ChiChi on March 13, 2010, 02:53:24 PM
okay, so I'm on the myspace for what we think is JAG.  There are only two friends, one last gf (we think), and then there is another one, is this his gf from high school? says she is 28 and her first name is jennifer, now last name Noyes (married) is this Jennifer Tripp?


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: ChiChi on March 13, 2010, 02:54:22 PM
sorry, here is the link

http://www.myspace.com/tejjd


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: ChiChi on March 13, 2010, 03:12:50 PM
Yes this is her, the pictures of her are the same that were posted next to Chelsea and Ambers.  She also has two friends that are "tripps" as well as Jariah Baker.  Interesting his only friends were his gfs...


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: ChiChi on March 13, 2010, 03:43:40 PM
1 strike and their out. I would be willing to pay the extra taxes it would take too keep them locked up for life.

Ditto


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: klaasend on March 13, 2010, 04:15:26 PM
http://scaredmonkeys.com/2010/03/08/john-albert-gardner-iii-now-linked-to-the-murder-of-amber-dubois-after-being-charged-with-the-rape-and-murder-of-chelsea-king/?preview=true&preview_id=13469&preview_nonce=02b30d9332

Someone who appears to be posting from the San Diego area is threatening me.  Just thought I'd mention it in case I disappear.  They posted the below on the front page of SM.

Quote
If You Only Knew
((email and IP removed by me))
Submitted on 2010/03/13 at 3:13pm

So (EDIT), tell me - how do you and (EDIT) like living in (EDIT)? We’re actually neighbors. Perhaps I could come over for a cup of coffee and we could discuss all of this in greater detail. Just a thought
___________________________________________________
SM: This comment prior to edits, the email address and IP used in this threat has been sent to the police.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 13, 2010, 04:30:14 PM
http://scaredmonkeys.com/2010/03/08/john-albert-gardner-iii-now-linked-to-the-murder-of-amber-dubois-after-being-charged-with-the-rape-and-murder-of-chelsea-king/?preview=true&preview_id=13469&preview_nonce=02b30d9332

Someone who appears to be posting from the San Diego area is threatening me.  Just thought I'd mention it in case I disappear.  They posted the below on the front page of SM.

Quote
If You Only Knew
((email and IP removed by me))
Submitted on 2010/03/13 at 3:13pm

So (EDIT), tell me - how do you and (EDIT) like living in (EDIT)? We’re actually neighbors. Perhaps I could come over for a cup of coffee and we could discuss all of this in greater detail. Just a thought
___________________________________________________
SM: This comment prior to edits, the email address and IP used in this threat has been sent to the police.
OMG Klaas, I'm so glad you sent it to the police. Please stay safe, what in the world is wrong with people  ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Nut44x4 on March 13, 2010, 04:38:09 PM
 ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyNoNo:: Klaas.....  ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Nut44x4 on March 13, 2010, 04:44:49 PM
I can't find the front page story...the link you posted above opens with

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Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Nut44x4 on March 13, 2010, 04:46:42 PM
found it.never mind
http://scaredmonkeys.com/2010/03/08/john-albert-gardner-iii-now-linked-to-the-murder-of-amber-dubois-after-being-charged-with-the-rape-and-murder-of-chelsea-king/#comments


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Northern Rose on March 13, 2010, 05:19:22 PM
Co-Workers Upset Over Gardner's Mom's Return To Job (video)

http://www.10news.com/video/22820662/index.html


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Northern Rose on March 13, 2010, 05:21:24 PM
The memorial is lovely so far.  All the sunflowers look beautiful. 


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Northern Rose on March 13, 2010, 05:22:42 PM
That was really nice for them to have a moment of silence for Amber.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Tracygirl on March 13, 2010, 05:31:52 PM
Yikes! I read over there, glad you sent the police the email, this person sounds unstable to me. He/she is throwing a tantrum such as a young child would do if mommy was threatening to take away their favorite toy.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Tracygirl on March 13, 2010, 05:34:36 PM
That was really nice for them to have a moment of silence for Amber.

Oh gosh thanks for posting, I am on there now, yikes I meant to be on there 1/2 hour ago.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Northern Rose on March 13, 2010, 05:43:10 PM
http://scaredmonkeys.com/2010/03/08/john-albert-gardner-iii-now-linked-to-the-murder-of-amber-dubois-after-being-charged-with-the-rape-and-murder-of-chelsea-king/?preview=true&preview_id=13469&preview_nonce=02b30d9332

Someone who appears to be posting from the San Diego area is threatening me.  Just thought I'd mention it in case I disappear.  They posted the below on the front page of SM.

Quote
If You Only Knew
((email and IP removed by me))
Submitted on 2010/03/13 at 3:13pm

So (EDIT), tell me - how do you and (EDIT) like living in (EDIT)? We’re actually neighbors. Perhaps I could come over for a cup of coffee and we could discuss all of this in greater detail. Just a thought
___________________________________________________
SM: This comment prior to edits, the email address and IP used in this threat has been sent to the police.

::MonkeyNoNo::   ::MonkeyNoNo::  Glad you forwarded the email and IP to police.  With emotions high I am sure they will act swiftly.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: klaasend on March 13, 2010, 05:47:48 PM
I posted the link to the memorial for the person who is threatening me on the front page of SM with a suggestion they watch:

http://www.10news.com/video/15013365/index.html


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Tracygirl on March 13, 2010, 05:48:12 PM
This is just heartbreaking, what a wonderful young lady she was.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Tracygirl on March 13, 2010, 05:51:36 PM
I posted the link to the memorial for the person who is threatening me on the front page of SM with a suggestion they watch:

http://www.10news.com/video/15013365/index.html

Thank you Klaas you read my mind. How the hell cares about Hashers, this is about a young woman lost to our world forever. She sounds like an awsome person. Oh gosh the teacher is breaking my heart.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Missiontoconvict on March 13, 2010, 05:52:19 PM
I posted the link to the memorial for the person who is threatening me on the front page of SM with a suggestion they watch:

http://www.10news.com/video/15013365/index.html
I just saw that persons post over there and I hope that person knows that they just made a big mistake - talk about slander and accusatory............Klaas go over there and hit flag if they get more than 2 flags they remove the post - I have already flagged it. 


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Missiontoconvict on March 13, 2010, 05:55:37 PM
I posted the link to the memorial for the person who is threatening me on the front page of SM with a suggestion they watch:

http://www.10news.com/video/15013365/index.html
I just saw that persons post over there and I hope that person knows that they just made a big mistake - talk about slander and accusatory............Klaas go over there and hit flag if they get more than 2 flags they remove the post - I have already flagged it. 
Klaas I am referring to the post at http://www.10news.com/news/22816642/detail.html they posted you and your husbands name - get over there and flag it


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: klaasend on March 13, 2010, 06:02:25 PM
I posted the link to the memorial for the person who is threatening me on the front page of SM with a suggestion they watch:

http://www.10news.com/video/15013365/index.html
I just saw that persons post over there and I hope that person knows that they just made a big mistake - talk about slander and accusatory............Klaas go over there and hit flag if they get more than 2 flags they remove the post - I have already flagged it. 

They posted on the front page of SM, where else.  Do you have a link so I can personally flag?  TIA


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Missiontoconvict on March 13, 2010, 06:03:38 PM
I posted the link to the memorial for the person who is threatening me on the front page of SM with a suggestion they watch:

http://www.10news.com/video/15013365/index.html
I just saw that persons post over there and I hope that person knows that they just made a big mistake - talk about slander and accusatory............Klaas go over there and hit flag if they get more than 2 flags they remove the post - I have already flagged it. 

They posted on the front page of SM, where else.  Do you have a link so I can personally flag?  TIA
You have nanners -


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: klaasend on March 13, 2010, 06:04:25 PM
Chelsea's favorite flower.  Everyone holding up their light/flower in honor of Chelsea:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub8/ChelseaFlowerLightmemorial.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub8/ChelseaFlowerLightMem2.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub8/CheleaFlower.jpg)


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Missiontoconvict on March 13, 2010, 06:06:05 PM
MONKEYS HEAD OVER TO http://www.10news.com/news/22816642/detail.html AND FLAG THE POSTER HHHH


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Missiontoconvict on March 13, 2010, 06:10:10 PM
MONKEYS HEAD OVER TO http://www.10news.com/news/22816642/detail.html AND FLAG THE POSTER HHHH
They removed it


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: yuknomenot on March 13, 2010, 06:10:33 PM
I posted the link to the memorial for the person who is threatening me on the front page of SM with a suggestion they watch:

http://www.10news.com/video/15013365/index.html
I just saw that persons post over there and I hope that person knows that they just made a big mistake - talk about slander and accusatory............Klaas go over there and hit flag if they get more than 2 flags they remove the post - I have already flagged it. 
Klaas I am referring to the post at http://www.10news.com/news/22816642/detail.html they posted you and your husbands name - get over there and flag it

I got a screen capture of it in case it is needed later.  Looks like there will be no end to the sickos connected to the freak and his family.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Tracygirl on March 13, 2010, 06:17:00 PM
Out of respect for Chelsea who's mother is speaking right now, can we please ignore the crazy man in the corner and say a prayer for this family and for the lovely girl who was murdered.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Missiontoconvict on March 13, 2010, 06:19:50 PM
Out of respect for Chelsea who's mother is speaking right now, can we please ignore the crazy man in the corner and say a prayer for this family and for the lovely girl who was murdered.
I'm sorry about that Tracygirl - you are right.  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Missiontoconvict on March 13, 2010, 06:21:57 PM
Out of respect for Chelsea who's mother is speaking right now, can we please ignore the crazy man in the corner and say a prayer for this family and for the lovely girl who was murdered.
I'm sorry about that Tracygirl - you are right.  ::MonkeyAngel::
Sorry and then I got in your quote. 


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: klaasend on March 13, 2010, 06:27:08 PM
MONKEYS HEAD OVER TO http://www.10news.com/news/22816642/detail.html AND FLAG THE POSTER HHHH

Thank you!


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Tracygirl on March 13, 2010, 06:30:50 PM
Out of respect for Chelsea who's mother is speaking right now, can we please ignore the crazy man in the corner and say a prayer for this family and for the lovely girl who was murdered.
I'm sorry about that Tracygirl - you are right.  ::MonkeyAngel::
Sorry and then I got in your quote. 

LOL that is ok mission.
Her father is speaking right now,
"no sexual preditor are curable" What a powerful statement he is making.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Tracygirl on March 13, 2010, 06:32:56 PM
MONKEYS HEAD OVER TO http://www.10news.com/news/22816642/detail.html AND FLAG THE POSTER HHHH

Thank you!

I flagged too. He is crazy, hopefully the police will find and arrest him.

Chelsea's father is speaking words I pray everyone hears. He asks the question, if you feel a SO can be cured have them live by you.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Nut44x4 on March 13, 2010, 06:39:58 PM
 ::MonkeyNoNo::  This is soooo out of control  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Tracygirl on March 13, 2010, 06:41:07 PM
They are releasing doves, what a beautiful memorial.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Tracygirl on March 13, 2010, 06:49:22 PM
I am sorry everyone, I should not have posted what I did. It was just the thought of a person connected in anyway to John Gardner taking away what should have been Chelsea's moment made me lose my composure.
Her memorial was beautiful but another reminder that we all need to move forward with changing our laws. Too many people have lost too many wonderful young people at the hands of monsters. It is time society takes the control back and not allow the criminals around us to change course.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: ChiChi on March 13, 2010, 06:49:45 PM
I posted the link to the memorial for the person who is threatening me on the front page of SM with a suggestion they watch:

http://www.10news.com/video/15013365/index.html
I just saw that persons post over there and I hope that person knows that they just made a big mistake - talk about slander and accusatory............Klaas go over there and hit flag if they get more than 2 flags they remove the post - I have already flagged it. 
Klaas I am referring to the post at http://www.10news.com/news/22816642/detail.html they posted you and your husbands name - get over there and flag it

What a psycho - klaas I wouldn't even respond to this type anymore... it is all about the drama and trying to rattle your (our) cage.  Ignore people like that, they are just a distraction.  Good lookin out Mission!


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 13, 2010, 06:50:36 PM
They are releasing doves, what a beautiful memorial.
Thank-you, and thank-you Northern for the pics, how beautiful  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Northern Rose on March 13, 2010, 06:55:43 PM
Klaas - you have  nanners


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Northern Rose on March 13, 2010, 06:57:15 PM
 ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Missiontoconvict on March 13, 2010, 07:15:33 PM
I am sorry everyone, I should not have posted what I did. It was just the thought of a person connected in anyway to John Gardner taking away what should have been Chelsea's moment made me lose my composure.
Her memorial was beautiful but another reminder that we all need to move forward with changing our laws. Too many people have lost too many wonderful young people at the hands of monsters. It is time society takes the control back and not allow the criminals around us to change course.
No need to apologize Tracygirl they should not be empowered to interrupt a tribute to beautiful Chelsea.  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Missiontoconvict on March 13, 2010, 07:16:34 PM
I posted the link to the memorial for the person who is threatening me on the front page of SM with a suggestion they watch:

http://www.10news.com/video/15013365/index.html
I just saw that persons post over there and I hope that person knows that they just made a big mistake - talk about slander and accusatory............Klaas go over there and hit flag if they get more than 2 flags they remove the post - I have already flagged it. 
Klaas I am referring to the post at http://www.10news.com/news/22816642/detail.html they posted you and your husbands name - get over there and flag it

What a psycho - klaas I wouldn't even respond to this type anymore... it is all about the drama and trying to rattle your (our) cage.  Ignore people like that, they are just a distraction.  Good lookin out Mission!
Thank you Chi Chi - timing is everything.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: cw618 on March 13, 2010, 07:34:15 PM
LE needs to assign a task force to concentrate on girls/young women who have gone missing throughout the area of the map posted on the previous page and get busy weeding through possiblities of a connection to this pig. If he did kill Amber, I doubt she was his 'first kill'. If he didn't kill Amber, then no way was Chelsea his 'first kill'. He has been a predator in the area for too long to just now start killing. I know 'someone' had to be his first, but I think it was many years ago.

ive been looking into that idea, trough these links, its a slow go

http://mapping.arjis.org/
http://spotcrime.com/ca/san+diego


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: labubske on March 13, 2010, 07:38:15 PM
okay, so I'm on the myspace for what we think is JAG.  There are only two friends, one last gf (we think), and then there is another one, is this his gf from high school? says she is 28 and her first name is jennifer, now last name Noyes (married) is this Jennifer Tripp?

I figured that it is Jennifer Tripp because she mentions her brother Chris as her hero and if you go to her friends one of her top friends is
Chris Tripp


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: klaasend on March 13, 2010, 07:56:55 PM
NEW FRONT PAGE POST:

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2010/03/13/co-workers-upset-with-cathy-osborn-the-mother-of-john-albert-gardner-iii-and-her-return-to-work-hashers-pics-sex-offender-son-oh-my/

Co-Workers Upset with Cathy Osborn, the Mother of John Albert Gardner III, and Her Return to Work (Hashers, Pics & Sex Offender Son, OH MY!!!)


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: ChiChi on March 13, 2010, 08:03:40 PM
LE needs to assign a task force to concentrate on girls/young women who have gone missing throughout the area of the map posted on the previous page and get busy weeding through possiblities of a connection to this pig. If he did kill Amber, I doubt she was his 'first kill'. If he didn't kill Amber, then no way was Chelsea his 'first kill'. He has been a predator in the area for too long to just now start killing. I know 'someone' had to be his first, but I think it was many years ago.

ive been looking into that idea, trough these links, its a slow go

http://mapping.arjis.org/
http://spotcrime.com/ca/san+diego

 Assault on 4XX W 02ND AVENUE, SAN DIEGO, CA

Assault - 4XX W 02ND AVENUE, SAN DIEGO, CA - 01/25/2009 02:00 AM
01/25/2009 02:00 AM
Rape

View Source
 
http://spotcrime.com/crime/3198513-73c2e292c0bc231fde0d60aef1cf6f68
Many assaults in the two month period I am looking at and only assaults...


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: ChiChi on March 13, 2010, 08:05:36 PM
okay, so I'm on the myspace for what we think is JAG.  There are only two friends, one last gf (we think), and then there is another one, is this his gf from high school? says she is 28 and her first name is jennifer, now last name Noyes (married) is this Jennifer Tripp?

I figured that it is Jennifer Tripp because she mentions her brother Chris as her hero and if you go to her friends one of her top friends is
Chris Tripp

yes it is.  That is strange that those are the only friends he had on here.  He probably used it to look at local girls profiles that are public for viewing.  You can find out a lot about a person by reading their pages... clubs, loves, habits, etc.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 13, 2010, 08:40:30 PM
NEW FRONT PAGE POST:

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2010/03/13/co-workers-upset-with-cathy-osborn-the-mother-of-john-albert-gardner-iii-and-her-return-to-work-hashers-pics-sex-offender-son-oh-my/

Co-Workers Upset with Cathy Osborn, the Mother of John Albert Gardner III, and Her Return to Work (Hashers, Pics & Sex Offender Son, OH MY!!!)

Thank-you


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: MuffyBee on March 13, 2010, 08:49:35 PM
Thank you for posting the pics, Northern Rose and to all the monkeys that have provided updates.  The doves being released was a beautiful tribute.   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: klaasend on March 13, 2010, 09:02:35 PM
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/mar/13/more-5000-remember-chelsea/

More than 5,000 remember Chelsea
Mourners recall her sense of humor, family calls for fighting 'incurable evil'

By Janet Lavelle, UNION-TRIBUNE STAFF WRITER

Dana Littlefield, UNION-TRIBUNE STAFF WRITER

Saturday, March 13, 2010 at 5:14 p.m.

POWAY  — More than 5,000 people gathered Saturday at Poway High School to celebrate the life of 17-year-old Chelsea King, in a memorial that alternated between tears over her loss and laughter at the joy she brought.

The memorial drew family, friends, community members and members of the law enforcement and search teams that had combed the region to find the Poway High teen when she disappeared while running in Rancho Bernardo Community Park on Feb. 25.

Several thousand volunteers had helped in the search before her body was found five days later.

Registered sex offender John Albert Gardner III has pleaded not guilty to raping and killing her.

The turnout Saturday and the outpouring of help in the preceding days prompted Chelsea's uncle Chuck McCully to begin his remarks during the memorial by saying, "Wow, you're a community like no other community I've ever known."
(snipped)


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: labubske on March 13, 2010, 09:03:58 PM
okay, so I'm on the myspace for what we think is JAG.  There are only two friends, one last gf (we think), and then there is another one, is this his gf from high school? says she is 28 and her first name is jennifer, now last name Noyes (married) is this Jennifer Tripp?

I figured that it is Jennifer Tripp because she mentions her brother Chris as her hero and if you go to her friends one of her top friends is
Chris Tripp

yes it is.  That is strange that those are the only friends he had on here.  He probably used it to look at local girls profiles that are public for viewing.  You can find out a lot about a person by reading their pages... clubs, loves, habits, etc.

you really can.  the social networks are where I typically start looking for info.  Unfortunately, it is helpful to a stalker too.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 13, 2010, 09:05:46 PM
What a wonderful thing that so many came to Chelsea's memorial. It truly is a wonderful community  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: labubske on March 13, 2010, 09:06:33 PM
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/mar/13/more-5000-remember-chelsea/

More than 5,000 remember Chelsea
Mourners recall her sense of humor, family calls for fighting 'incurable evil'

By Janet Lavelle, UNION-TRIBUNE STAFF WRITER

Dana Littlefield, UNION-TRIBUNE STAFF WRITER

Saturday, March 13, 2010 at 5:14 p.m.

POWAY  — More than 5,000 people gathered Saturday at Poway High School to celebrate the life of 17-year-old Chelsea King, in a memorial that alternated between tears over her loss and laughter at the joy she brought.

The memorial drew family, friends, community members and members of the law enforcement and search teams that had combed the region to find the Poway High teen when she disappeared while running in Rancho Bernardo Community Park on Feb. 25.

Several thousand volunteers had helped in the search before her body was found five days later.

Registered sex offender John Albert Gardner III has pleaded not guilty to raping and killing her.

The turnout Saturday and the outpouring of help in the preceding days prompted Chelsea's uncle Chuck McCully to begin his remarks during the memorial by saying, "Wow, you're a community like no other community I've ever known."
(snipped)

It is so nice to see a community come together like this.  I just hope that everyone keeps this in the forefront and get proactive about stopping these horrible predators.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: klaasend on March 13, 2010, 09:07:13 PM
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub8/AP1003130166.jpg)

http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local-beat/Big-Crowds-Expected-at-Chelseas-Memorial--87341797.html


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: klaasend on March 13, 2010, 09:11:48 PM
Chelsea's brother giving his tribute to her:

View more news videos at: http://www.nbcsandiego.com/video.



Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: cw618 on March 13, 2010, 09:12:02 PM
LE needs to assign a task force to concentrate on girls/young women who have gone missing throughout the area of the map posted on the previous page and get busy weeding through possiblities of a connection to this pig. If he did kill Amber, I doubt she was his 'first kill'. If he didn't kill Amber, then no way was Chelsea his 'first kill'. He has been a predator in the area for too long to just now start killing. I know 'someone' had to be his first, but I think it was many years ago.

ive been looking into that idea, trough these links, its a slow go

http://mapping.arjis.org/
http://spotcrime.com/ca/san+diego

 Assault on 4XX W 02ND AVENUE, SAN DIEGO, CA

Assault - 4XX W 02ND AVENUE, SAN DIEGO, CA - 01/25/2009 02:00 AM
01/25/2009 02:00 AM
Rape

View Source
 
http://spotcrime.com/crime/3198513-73c2e292c0bc231fde0d60aef1cf6f68
Many assaults in the two month period I am looking at and only assaults...

a lot of them seem to be near the I 15 too,i had mention b4 JAG seems to get stoped by the le along the I 15
maybe the I 15 is just a fast lane from a to b so to speak,its been yrs since my last vist to san d, and i just remember, u have to know where you are going,to negate the Hway there, or
 you will pass up that exit u wanted
was thinking about JAGs down times too, like was he working not working, might play into his
crime/s



Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: mymonkey on March 13, 2010, 09:29:23 PM
Chelsea's brother giving his tribute to her:

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What a wonderful brother..he lost not only his sister but his best friend.

This family has so much courage. ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 13, 2010, 09:49:17 PM
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/mar/13/more-5000-remember-chelsea/

More than 5,000 remember Chelsea
Mourners recall her sense of humor, family calls for fighting 'incurable evil'

By Janet Lavelle, UNION-TRIBUNE STAFF WRITER

Dana Littlefield, UNION-TRIBUNE STAFF WRITER

Saturday, March 13, 2010 at 5:14 p.m.

POWAY  — More than 5,000 people gathered Saturday at Poway High School to celebrate the life of 17-year-old Chelsea King, in a memorial that alternated between tears over her loss and laughter at the joy she brought.

The memorial drew family, friends, community members and members of the law enforcement and search teams that had combed the region to find the Poway High teen when she disappeared while running in Rancho Bernardo Community Park on Feb. 25.

Several thousand volunteers had helped in the search before her body was found five days later.

Registered sex offender John Albert Gardner III has pleaded not guilty to raping and killing her.

The turnout Saturday and the outpouring of help in the preceding days prompted Chelsea's uncle Chuck McCully to begin his remarks during the memorial by saying, "Wow, you're a community like no other community I've ever known."
(snipped)

BUMPED


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 13, 2010, 09:49:55 PM
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub8/AP1003130166.jpg)

http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local-beat/Big-Crowds-Expected-at-Chelseas-Memorial--87341797.html

BUMPED


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 13, 2010, 09:50:34 PM
Chelsea's brother giving his tribute to her:

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BUMPED


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: joesamas mama on March 13, 2010, 10:01:46 PM
Chelsea's brother giving his tribute to her:

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  ::MonkeyAngel:: What a strong little man. God bless him, Chelsea and their family.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: akmom on March 14, 2010, 12:08:30 AM
My heart breaks for these families.....


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: ChiChi on March 14, 2010, 12:16:25 AM
Chelsea's brother giving his tribute to her:

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He is adorable.  So sad.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: klaasend on March 14, 2010, 12:20:02 AM
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/mar/13/kings-father-calls-fight-against-evil/

Chelsea's father calls for fight against evil
Brent King asks those at memorial to give time and energy to toughen laws


By John Wilkens, UNION-TRIBUNE STAFF WRITER

Saturday, March 13, 2010 at 7:56 p.m.

An afternoon of fond and funny testimonials about slain Poway teen Chelsea King ended today with her father issuing a sharp call for action against what he called “pure evil.”

It’s incomprehensible that convicted sex offenders are allowed to live among families, Brent King said. And to those who disagree, he said, “Let them live in your neighborhood next to your children. Not ours.”

King urged the thousands gathered at Poway High’s football stadium to embrace one of his daughter’s favorite words — give — and join the mounting effort to change the way society deals with sexual predators.

Give your time, he said – even if it’s just one hour a month.

Give your voice, he said – even if it’s just to e-mail a legislator or cast a ballot.

And, he said, give your energy.

“This is about protecting our children from evil,” he said. “Pure evil.”


He did not name John Albert Gardner III, the convicted sex offender who took a plea bargain and was released in 2005 after five years in prison and who now stands charged with raping and killing Chelsea.

But when he said, “Known sexual predators are not curable,” it was one of the few statements in the service that was met with applause in midspeech.

Several people said after the memorial service they were moved by King’s words. “It’s already happening with petitions that are going around school about predators,” said Austin Farrell, 16, a sophomore at Poway High. “We have to do a better job tracking them.”

Carmen Morales, who attended with her family, including son Rodrigo, 16, also a Poway sophomore, said, “The father is right. We should do more. They should never have let that guy out.”

Rodrigo said he wants to do “whatever I can to help.”

King, the last of more than a dozen speakers on the program, said it would have been easy to wallow in despair after Chelsea went missing during a run on the dirt trails bordering Lake Hodges at Rancho Bernardo Community Park on Feb. 25. Her body was found five days later in a shallow grave at the water’s edge.

Chelsea could have run at a different park, he said. She could have picked a different trail, or a different time. But that wouldn’t have changed what happened, he said – just the victim. And he said he wouldn’t wish the loss and pain he’s feeling on anybody.

Legal experts say other child-protection laws spawned by earlier tragedies – Megan’s Law, Jessica’s Law, Marsi’s Law – have had only limited effect.

Still, King’s call for change joins a rising chorus. Since Chelsea’s death, politicians and the public have been clamoring for tighter restrictions on sex offenders. Assemblyman Nathan Fletcher, who represents the district where the Kings live, is working with local law enforcement on an as-yet unspecified “Chelsea’s Law.”

Almost 8,000 people have joined a “Support One Strike Law for Sex Offenders” group on Facebook.

King said it would have been easy to succumb to rage. He admitted he’s mad – hot enough, he said, to survive many days in Hell – but he knows that’s not productive in the long run.

“Because of you,” he said, looking out at the audience, “I chose hope.”


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Tracygirl on March 14, 2010, 01:45:37 AM
http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local-beat/Big-Crowds-Expected-at-Chelseas-Memorial--87341797.html
If you missing the memorial this gives a good amount of detail. It also has 3 video's of the speeches made by her mom, dad and brother. If you didn't get a chance to see it, please watch. The family really are wonderful people and will change laws.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: MuffyBee on March 14, 2010, 09:55:21 AM
http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local-beat/Big-Crowds-Expected-at-Chelseas-Memorial--87341797.html
If you missing the memorial this gives a good amount of detail. It also has 3 video's of the speeches made by her mom, dad and brother. If you didn't get a chance to see it, please watch. The family really are wonderful people and will change laws.


BBM
Thank you Tracygirl.  And if the family can help make a change in the laws, that would be fantastic. 


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: theboyzmom on March 14, 2010, 09:55:23 AM
What an amazing family. I sat here with tears running down my face listening to them. And all because a monster was let loose by the people that are supposed to protect us.  ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Missiontoconvict on March 14, 2010, 11:41:09 AM
Klaas if you check in here you have nanners.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: joesamas mama on March 14, 2010, 07:17:19 PM
Chelsea's brother giving his tribute to her:

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I hope this isn't off topic, but it has been made my heart hurt since I saw the video of Chelsea's brother.

At the end he mentions that Chelsea jokingly said there are jaguars in Seattle and the kill 3 people a year in the rain forest. How said it is that she came back home only to be killed by a JAG in the same manner as a jaguar or cougar stalks prey.

It has haunted me since I watched the video. I don't know if it gave anyone else chills, it did me.

Sorry for the off topic. JSM


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Northern Rose on March 15, 2010, 01:58:27 AM
Hash House Harriers Run Carlsbad

The Hash House Harriers of Southern California, a running group whose members reportedly include the mother and stepfather of John Gardner, the man accused of raping and murdering seventeen-year-old Chelsea King, will be holding an event in Carlsbad on Saturday, March 20, 2010.

The run, with the unfortunate title of 16th An@l Humpin Bar2Bar – ‘Sorority Sleepover,’ kicks off in McGee park at “around 11″ according to the group’s website.

This same group held a run in the Rancho Bernardo Community Park on December 27, 2009 three hours after a 22-year-old college student was attacked in the park. It is the same park where Chelsea King was running when she disappeared. John Gardner was charged with “assault with the intent to rape” in that attack according to a story in the San Diego Union-Tribune. The story goes on to say that there is no evidence that Gardner participated in the run.

http://www.carlsbadistan.com/?cat=9


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Northern Rose on March 15, 2010, 02:08:37 AM
Do you use protection?
March 12th, 2010 by Fecal Finger of Fate

I am the last person to tell anyone what to do or what not to do. I am also not the morality police. I have never claimed to be. Effectively I don’t care what you do, as long as it does not impact me negatively.

I also believe the majority of hashers I have met feel similarly.

But a well placed piece of advice here and there can potentially go a long way. Are you ready?


Protect yourself. Be mindful of what information you post on your personal and social Web sites. You may be amazed how much information you leak out every time you post to your social networking sites. Given enough time and determination someone with the desire can know an awful lot about you. Information you would never discuss if a stranger approached you on the street you gladly give up to the world online.

And remember, that stuff never goes away. No, it doesn’t. You might think deleting it makes it go away. It doesn’t. Posted your physical address once? It’s still there. Phone number? Yup, that too. Directions to your house or work? Uh-huh.

But what do you care, right? You live a boring existence and no one would ever be interested enough to ever want to harass you.

Not so fast there, Tex. The following is from an e-mail making its way around hash kennels:

“Let me start off with I don’t have all the details, but did want all members of any Hash House Harrier kennel to know what is going on out west and feel free to pass this to other kennels. Also, check your passwords and privacy settings on all your social web pages. Here is why…
“By now you have all seen the news on Chelsea King, the 17 year old girl, that was raped and murdered while running on a trail in the San Diego, CA area. This was not a hash run nor was Chelsea a hasher, but the mother and step-father of the accused are hashers, and therefore, all hashers have been under fire for this.
“Apparently, there is a group of cyber stalkers (not sure what to call them) with good intentions to help track down child molesters, sex offenders and pedophiles. They came across Humpin’ Hash Harriers’ website. Like most kennels HHH post pictures and list their up coming events with sexual innuendos.”
The e-mail continued, “This cyber group then googled the hashers name and found personal information. A few hashers in the SD area are being harassed by this group or by people that follow their forum on-line. This group has contacted their local police and FBI. I am not sure of the outcome of that. The newspapers and news channels are now trying to contact any hasher that will talk to them.”

Bluntly stated these hashers are being harassed because of their association with the hash. Not because they are interesting, rich, poor, high ranking, boring, male, female, black, white, gay or straight, but because they are hashers. And those doing the harassing found them by spending a few minutes on Google.

The bottom line is this: Be mindful of the information you post online. As soon as you hit the submit button everyone can see it.

http://www.sah3.com/2010/03/12/do-you-use-protection/


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Northern Rose on March 15, 2010, 10:23:55 AM
Hospital staff object to working with mother of alleged sex offender John Gardner

If you're the mother of a convicted sex offender and alleged murderer, should you then expect to have your co-workers take issue with you?

According to a report from 10News (www.10news.com), co-workers at Scripps Mercy Hospital are outraged at the return to work of registered nurse Cathy Osborn. Osborn, supervisor in the behavioral health unit, is the mother of John Albert Gardner III, the convicted sex offender and accused rapist and murderer of Chelsea King.
 

10News reported that staff members at Scripps Mercy Hospital are upset about the fact that Osborn allowed her son to live with her in her Rancho Bernardo home after his release from prison for raping a teenaged neighbor. Authorities allege that Gardner rape and murdered King last month while she was jogging after school. Her body was later discovered in the Lake Hodges area.

In an email to 10News, one co-worker stated:

“Cannot tell you who I am for fear of being harassed, but his mother Cathy Osborn is going back to work at Scripps Mercy Hospital in behavioral health. She let her son live with her and had a key to her house and now is in a position of authority on a psychiatric unit where other sex offenders or psychiatric patients are placed based on her position … She knew he was a danger and never reported him. Her judgment could let other people out of a psychiatric facility that should not be. Staff do not respect her anymore and have to listen to her because she is in a position of authority. This is not right … Staff do not want to work with her and she is coming back to work.”

10News also reported on some rather bizarre and risque photos of Osborn that have come to light.

The pictures are of Osborn and a group calling themselves the Hash House Harriers running the hills around Lake Hodges and other trails.

This was information and images that have been circulating on Scared Monkeys.net for some time in an attempt to draw comparisons, similarities and connections between the murders of King and Amber Dubois. Gardner is a person of interest in the murder of Dubois, whose remains were found last week on grounds of the Pala Indian Reservation.

Many people will ask just how does a behavioral nurse whose job it is to deal with disturbed people not have seen the signs with her son? Another question is why is she posing for some rather risky pictures given the sexual messages they are sending, especially regarding how women may be viewed?

Cathy Osborn certainly does have a right to work, but more importantly, the parents of Chelsea King and Amber Dubois deserve far more for the grief they are dealing with.

Answers to if John Gardner murdered both their daughters would be a good start.

http://www.examiner.com/x-833-San-Diego-News-Examiner~y2010m3d14-Coworkers-upset-in-return-to-work-of-sex-offender-and-alleged-murderer-John-Gardners-mom


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Northern Rose on March 15, 2010, 10:39:46 AM
Heard on the Rick Roberts Show

(MONDAY 3/15/2010) -

Rick started Monday morning with an update on the Amber Dubois and Chelsea King update... Gov. Schwarzenegger ordered a review of the way the state handled a molesting case involving John Albert Gardner III. Is this just more bureaucratic mumbo jumbo? There was also a memorial for the late Chelsea over the weekend. Thousands of San Diegans showed up.

And since we ran out of time on Friday, Rick did the Top 10 today. The Top 10 is a list of local, serious child sex offenders living in the San Diego community. This list is derived from the Megan's Law website and includes the offender's name, address, physical appearance (such as weight, hair color, eye color, et cetera), as well as their convictions.


http://www.760kfmb.com/Global/story.asp?S=11861689


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 15, 2010, 10:44:01 AM
Heard on the Rick Roberts Show

(MONDAY 3/15/2010) -

Rick started Monday morning with an update on the Amber Dubois and Chelsea King update... Gov. Schwarzenegger ordered a review of the way the state handled a molesting case involving John Albert Gardner III. Is this just more bureaucratic mumbo jumbo? There was also a memorial for the late Chelsea over the weekend. Thousands of San Diegans showed up.

And since we ran out of time on Friday, Rick did the Top 10 today. The Top 10 is a list of local, serious child sex offenders living in the San Diego community. This list is derived from the Megan's Law website and includes the offender's name, address, physical appearance (such as weight, hair color, eye color, et cetera), as well as their convictions.


http://www.760kfmb.com/Global/story.asp?S=11861689
Yes, it is more bureaucratic mumbo jumbo.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Missiontoconvict on March 15, 2010, 11:10:47 AM
Klaas - email


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: labubske on March 15, 2010, 11:17:38 AM
Chelsea's brother giving his tribute to her:

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I hope this isn't off topic, but it has been made my heart hurt since I saw the video of Chelsea's brother.

At the end he mentions that Chelsea jokingly said there are jaguars in Seattle and the kill 3 people a year in the rain forest. How said it is that she came back home only to be killed by a JAG in the same manner as a jaguar or cougar stalks prey.

It has haunted me since I watched the video. I don't know if it gave anyone else chills, it did me.

Sorry for the off topic. JSM
That is chilling...it was so difficult to watch her brother talk...he held up so nicely to get his memories of Chelsea out to everyone...it is so sad that ONE monster created ALL of this...ONE monster that should have been monitored...why is it that criminals are protected more than the innocent?


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: klaasend on March 15, 2010, 07:59:27 PM
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/mar/15/parents-launch-chelseas-light-foundation/


Parents launch Chelsea's Light Foundation

By J. Harry Jones, UNION-TRIBUNE STAFF WRITER

Monday, March 15, 2010 at 4:10 p.m.

Brent and Kelly King, the parents of slain Poway teenager Chelsea King, announced the formation of the nonprofit Chelsea’s Light Foundation on Monday.

“We know that the path to healing will be long and unsteady because Chelsea’s absence leaves such a gaping hole in our hearts, our family and our community,” the Kings said in a statement. “We will reach past our grief and focus our rage to bring about changes that will make our communities safer.

“Establishing the Chelsea’s Light Foundation is our first positive step in that direction. We invite global participation. As Chelsea loved to say, ‘go big or go home.’”

The foundation will be dedicated to strengthening sex offender laws and changing policies, however the specific plan of action will be defined over the coming weeks and months, the statement said.

“The Kings intend to work in concert with California Assemblyman Nathan Fletcher to develop a path forward beginning with California and subsequently the nation.”

To contribute to Chelsea’s Light, donations can be made at any Wells Fargo Bank in the nation, account no. 1838355913


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Gypsy DD on March 15, 2010, 08:58:09 PM
Thank You so much Klaas for the article about the foundation her parents have started.  I love that they are thinking big..and that they are working with a local politician to get this job done in California...after that ..I hope all States will someday recognize that the victim is the victim..and that the RSO does not deserve a place in our society anylonger.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: klaasend on March 16, 2010, 10:17:49 AM
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/mar/16/experts-gardner-likely-to-pursue-venue-change/

Experts: Gardner likely to pursue venue change

By Dana Littlefield, UNION-TRIBUNE STAFF WRITER

Tuesday, March 16, 2010 at 12:02 a.m.


The name John Albert Gardner III has been in the public’s consciousness only a few weeks and is unlikely to fade anytime soon.

As a result, some legal observers wonder whether Gardner can receive a fair trial in San Diego County, where he is accused of raping and killing 17-year-old Chelsea King of Poway.

Gardner, 30, has pleaded not guilty to felony charges in what could become a death-penalty case.

So far, Gardner’s lawyers have not filed documents in Superior Court asking a judge to consider moving the trial to another county, where potential jurors might not have been exposed to extensive media coverage.

Some say it’s only a matter of time.

“I suspect they will,” said Shaun Martin, a professor at the University of San Diego School of Law, who noted the intense public interest in Gardner’s case.

Martin said the typical argument defense attorneys make in favor of a change of venue is that members of the public have made up their minds about the case. Therefore, their client cannot get a fair trial.

These assertions can be difficult to prove, Martin said.

“You can’t just say, ‘Look, there’ve been a lot of newspaper clippings,’ ” he said. “You have to prove that potential jurors have already come to an opinion about the defendant’s guilt and might not be able to leave that opinion behind once they become jurors.”

The common argument against moving a trial out of the area where the crime occurred is that in a county the size of San Diego — with a population of more than 3 million — it is possible to find 12 men and women who can be fair and impartial.

“It’s really hard to get a change of venue,” said Donald Levine, a defense attorney who is not involved in the Gardner case. “I’ve only seen it in one or two cases in 30 years.”

Gardner, a registered sex offender from Lake Elsinore, was arrested Feb. 28, three days after Chelsea King disappeared while going for a run at Rancho Bernardo Community Park. Chelsea’s body was found March 2.

((snipped))


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: klaasend on March 16, 2010, 10:22:26 AM
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/mar/16/runners-planning-to-honor-slain-teen/

Runners planning to honor slain teen

By Janet Lavelle, UNION-TRIBUNE STAFF WRITER

Tuesday, March 16, 2010 at 12:02 a.m.

Organizers of a 3-mile jog planned for Saturday want to honor Chelsea King, even though most of them never knew the slain Poway High School senior who vanished after heading out for a run at Rancho Bernardo Community Park.

Finish Chelsea’s Run will start at 9 a.m. and wind through the popular open space park south of Lake Hodges.

At least a thousand people are expected, and participants are encouraged to park at Westfield North County shopping mall, off Interstate 15 on Via Rancho Parkway in Escondido. Free shuttles will take runners to the event, said Tommy Sablan, one of the organizers.

Participants are invited to run or walk the route, and children and pets are welcome.

The city has issued an event permit and businesses are donating insurance coverage, shuttles, cleanup services and portable toilets.

The event started as an idea among some running clubs to finish the route Chelsea probably planned to take, said Todd Velazquez, another organizer.

The idea quickly spread online via bloggers and Facebook.

“We really wanted to send a message that those are our parks and our trails and we’re going to run. We’re not going to let anyone scare us away from them,” said Velazquez, who graduated from Poway High School in 1999 and was on the cross-country team.

Chelsea was a member of the cross-country team and had gone for a run at the park on Feb. 25. Her body was found five days later in a tributary to Lake Hodges. Convicted sex offender John Albert Gardner III has pleaded not guilty to charges of rape and murder.

Chelsea’s parents, Brent and Kelly King, are not involved in organizing the event, but they have endorsed it on their Facebook page, Chelsea’s Light.

Janet Lavelle: (760) 476-8201; janet.lavelle@uniontrib.com


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 16, 2010, 10:31:11 AM
“It’s really hard to get a change of venue,” said Donald Levine, a defense attorney who is not involved in the Gardner case. “I’ve only seen it in one or two cases in 30 years.”   ::MonkeyNoNo:: They managed to keep Westerfield's trial there, they can manage this.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: klaasend on March 16, 2010, 10:31:23 AM
http://www.cbs8.com/Global/story.asp?S=12147472

Accused killer collected string of citations in various vehicles
Posted: Mar 16, 2010 1:31 AM PDT Updated: Mar 16, 2010 2:00 AM PDT

SAN DIEGO, Cailf. (CBS 8) - The murder of Poway High School senior Chelsea King, allegedly at the hands of a known sexual predator, has sparked outrage in the community.

News 8 is continuing to investigate John Gardner's past run-ins with the law and the vehicles he was driving since his release from prison.

We are learning more about missed opportunities the case of accused killer John Gardner. A News 8 review of court records shows Gardner was cited for marijuana possession while still on parole.

A string of other citations did not seem to raise any red flags with law enforcement.

News 8 searched records in four different courthouses to compile eight citations filed against Gardner in a little over three years. Four of those citations were filed while Gardner was still on parole, including one for possession of marijuana.

News 8's review of the records shows a total of two citations for marijuana possession, one for driving with an open alcohol container, and several other traffic violations.

The records also show Gardner failed to appear in court, didn't pay court fines, and had his driver's license suspended for two months at the end of 2009.
(snipped)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub8/GardnerVehicles.jpg)


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 16, 2010, 12:13:19 PM

News 8's review of the records shows a total of two citations for marijuana possession, one for driving with an open alcohol container   ::MonkeyNoNo:: That should have put him right back where he belonged.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Edward on March 16, 2010, 12:20:56 PM
Missed opertunities.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: piwannaberookie on March 16, 2010, 05:49:14 PM
Do you use protection?
March 12th, 2010 by Fecal Finger of Fate

I am the last person to tell anyone what to do or what not to do. I am also not the morality police. I have never claimed to be. Effectively I don’t care what you do, as long as it does not impact me negatively.

I also believe the majority of hashers I have met feel similarly.

But a well placed piece of advice here and there can potentially go a long way. Are you ready?


Protect yourself. Be mindful of what information you post on your personal and social Web sites. You may be amazed how much information you leak out every time you post to your social networking sites. Given enough time and determination someone with the desire can know an awful lot about you. Information you would never discuss if a stranger approached you on the street you gladly give up to the world online.

And remember, that stuff never goes away. No, it doesn’t. You might think deleting it makes it go away. It doesn’t. Posted your physical address once? It’s still there. Phone number? Yup, that too. Directions to your house or work? Uh-huh.

But what do you care, right? You live a boring existence and no one would ever be interested enough to ever want to harass you.

Not so fast there, Tex. The following is from an e-mail making its way around hash kennels:

“Let me start off with I don’t have all the details, but did want all members of any Hash House Harrier kennel to know what is going on out west and feel free to pass this to other kennels. Also, check your passwords and privacy settings on all your social web pages. Here is why…
“By now you have all seen the news on Chelsea King, the 17 year old girl, that was raped and murdered while running on a trail in the San Diego, CA area. This was not a hash run nor was Chelsea a hasher, but the mother and step-father of the accused are hashers, and therefore, all hashers have been under fire for this.
“Apparently, there is a group of cyber stalkers (not sure what to call them) with good intentions to help track down child molesters, sex offenders and pedophiles. They came across Humpin’ Hash Harriers’ website. Like most kennels HHH post pictures and list their up coming events with sexual innuendos.”
The e-mail continued, “This cyber group then googled the hashers name and found personal information. A few hashers in the SD area are being harassed by this group or by people that follow their forum on-line. This group has contacted their local police and FBI. I am not sure of the outcome of that. The newspapers and news channels are now trying to contact any hasher that will talk to them.”

Bluntly stated these hashers are being harassed because of their association with the hash. Not because they are interesting, rich, poor, high ranking, boring, male, female, black, white, gay or straight, but because they are hashers. And those doing the harassing found them by spending a few minutes on Google.

The bottom line is this: Be mindful of the information you post online. As soon as you hit the submit button everyone can see it.

http://www.sah3.com/2010/03/12/do-you-use-protection/

With facebook you have to put your real name, that bothers me why they don't change that.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: klaasend on March 16, 2010, 06:15:52 PM
Piwannabe- No you don't have to put your real name in Facebook or Myspace, you can put completely false information. 


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Northern Rose on March 16, 2010, 07:02:24 PM
LKL is supposed to be covering John Gardner tonight.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: klaasend on March 16, 2010, 07:52:23 PM
http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/larry.king.live/

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub8/LKL.jpg)


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: N2WISHN on March 16, 2010, 09:03:12 PM
LKL is supposed to be covering John Gardner tonight.



Looks like he will have the parents and a victim that away from the monster on the show tonight


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: cw618 on March 17, 2010, 12:48:21 AM
been gone a few days sorry if this is a repeat

http://www.sdnn.com/sandiego/2010-03-11/local-county-news/new-details-reveal-that-john-gardner-fathered-twins


Read more: http://www.sdnn.com/sandiego/2010-03-11/local-county-news/new-details-reveal-that-john-gardner-fathered-twins#ixzz0iPDYu7KE

New details reveal that John Gardner fathered twins
By Elex Michaelson,  San Diego 6 CW
Thursday, March 11, 2010


Read more: http://www.sdnn.com/sandiego/2010-03-11/local-county-news/new-details-reveal-that-john-gardner-fathered-twins#ixzz0iPDuvuwK


We’re learning more about John Albert Gardner III.  The man charged with Chelsea King’s murder and rape, and who is being investigated for Amber Dubois’ murder, is a father and the son of a highly-educated mother.

John Gardner’s mother and his stepfather, Cathy Osborne and Kevin O’Reilly, are both members of the San Diego Hash House Harriers, a group that describes itself as a “Drinking Club with a Running Problem.”

On Dec. 27, the group hosted a running event on the same day and location where John Gardner is accused of attacking a woman.

Gardner’s stepfather wrote in the group’s newsletter that day, “Disturbing news at the start…when other members…give us word that a girl had been attacked that morning in the trails where we would be running.”

Kevin O’Reilly runs a family photo touch up company out of his Rancho Bernardo home while Cathy teaches behavioral health at Scripps.

On her LinkedIn page, Cathy says she cares for “some of the most challenging psychiatric patients.”

Court documents from 2000 show her son, John Gardner, took at least 8 different psychiatric medications while living with Cathy, including Ritalin, Zoloft, and Paxil.

Last week, Chelsea King’s parents told San Diego 6 that they believed Cathy was putting neighbors in danger by allowing her son to stay at her home.  ”Anyone who is a parent cannot in good conscience sit there and say, ‘Yes, it’s okay to let this person live next door.’  You cannot — you cannot tell me.”

Now we’re learning Gardner is a parent of twin boys.  But the convicted sex offender never married his children’s mother.

By 2009, The Enterprise Report says, he was living with Jariah Baker at an apartment not far from Escondido High School where 14-year-old Amber Dubois disappeared.  Sources tell us Baker is now working with authorities on the Dubois murder investigation.

The black Nissan Sentra that Gardner was seen driving is registered to Baker.  The Enterprise Report obtained a ticket John Gardner received while driving the sedan on January 30th in Lake Elsinore.

He was stopped at a DUI check point and ticketed for failing to have registration or proof of insurance.

Last week, San Diego 6 broke the story of a man matching Gardner’s description following another young girl in a black car as she walked home from Bernardo Heights Middle School.  The suspect in that case was eventually scared off.

Sources said the black Sentra was seized by investigators.

Elex Michaelson is a reporter for San Diego 6.



Read more: http://www.sdnn.com/sandiego/2010-03-11/local-county-news/new-details-reveal-that-john-gardner-fathered-twins#ixzz0iPEIoCLk


Read more: http://www.sdnn.com/sandiego/2010-03-11/local-county-news/new-details-reveal-that-john-gardner-fathered-twins#ixzz0iPEAPLyS


there is a video at link, if this post doesnt work


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Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: cw618 on March 17, 2010, 01:02:05 AM
trying vid one more time, please take down if it dosent work
hope it works, good vid a lot of info

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Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: cw618 on March 17, 2010, 01:19:56 AM
JAG may have lived in other cities

http://www.veromi.net/Summary.asp?fn=john&mn=Alber&ln=Gardner&dobmm=&dobdd=&doby=&city=&state=CA&age=&vw=&Search=&Input=&x=71&y=10

People Search: GARDNER, JOHN ALBER in  CA<< Search Again

2 Matches Found (100 max.)
  Name/AKAs Phone Address City, State Possible Relatives   
1.  GARDNER, JOHN ALBERT (Age 65)

Associated names:

 GARADNER, JOHN A
 GARDNER, JOHN 
 GARDNER, JOHN A
 GARDNER, JOHN A
 GARDNER, JOHN A 3RD
 GARDNER, JOHN A JR
 Available(2) Available MISSION VIEJO, CA
CORPUS CHRISTI, TX
HUNTINGTON BEACH, CA
BRANDON, MS
CRP CHRISTI, TX Possible Relatives:

GARDNER, OLETHA PRIDDY (Age 94)
ARROYO, ROBIN DANIELLE (Age 41)
GARDNER, REVA A (Age 63)
GARADNER, REVA
GARDNER, OLETHA L (Age 94)
GARDNER, ILL
GARDNER, III JOHNA

Possible Roommates / Associates:

GARDNER, JOHN A (Age 66)
GARDENER, REVA A
 View Details
2.  GARDNER, JOHN ALBERT (Age 65)

Associated names:

 GARDNER, J 
 JOHN, A 
 Available(6) Available LANCASTER, CA
GRANBURY, TX
PALMDALE, CA
CULVER CITY, CA
LAWNDALE, CA
HAWTHORNE, CA Possible Relatives:

JUDSON, CHRISTIE LYNN (Age 42)
JOHNSON, DARRYL ANTHONY (Age 42)
OSBORN, CATHERINE JEANNETTE (Age 54)
GARDNER, JOHN A
GARDNER, DEANNA N (Age 62)
GARDNER, CATHERINE ANN (Age 38)
GARDNER, C M
GARDNER, LEANNA
GARDNERJERR, CATHERINE J

Possible Roommates / Associates:

JERRED, JESSE JAMES (Age 41)
ERIKSEN, JAMES A
 View 


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: akmom on March 17, 2010, 10:25:27 AM
Missed opertunities.
Edit: missing quote bracket. Fixed quotes.  MB

YES, how many times are the innocent made to pay because people simply do not do the things that they know they should do.  In each of the cases we follow, we see that usually several times actions are not taken by the people who should have taken action.  Professionals that we have put in charge of  protecting the public, to enabling relatives.  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: akmom on March 17, 2010, 10:26:27 AM
Missed opertunities.
  Edit:  add missing quote bracket.  Fixed. MB

YES, how many times are the innocent made to pay because people simply do not do the things that they know they should do.  In each of the cases we follow, we see that usually several times actions are not taken by the people who should have taken action.  Professionals that we have put in charge of  protecting the public, to enabling relatives.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Sorry, Edward, to have messed up the quote box


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Nut44x4 on March 17, 2010, 04:04:25 PM
Woman tells of attack similar to San Diego teen's

Wed Mar 17, 1:38 am ET
LOS ANGELES – A 23-year-old woman allegedly attacked by a registered sex offender at the same park where he is accused of killing a San Diego teenager two months later said Tuesday that she believed he was going to rape her.

Appearing on CNN's "Larry King Live," Candice Moncayo said she'll testify against 30-year-old John Gardner, who has pleaded not guilty to assaulting her in December and murdering 17-year-old Chelsea King in February.

King's parents also appeared on the show and said it was painful to hear Moncayo's story.

"I am so glad she was able to fight him off," said Brent King, Chelsea's father. "It was very painful to listen to, though."

Moncayo said her assailant tackled her at the end of her run, pinned her to the ground and threatened to kill her. She screamed and he told her to shut up, but she refused. Moncayo told him if he wanted to rape her, he'd have to kill her first, she said.

"He told me that could be arranged," she said calmly.

He swore at her and shook her "like you're not supposed to shake a baby," then she bashed him in the face with her elbow, she said.

"He grabbed his face and turned away from me and yelled some things, and I got up and ran faster than I think I ever ran in my life," she said.

She described her attacker as a large man who stood out in the neighborhood park because he wasn't wearing workout clothes. Moncayo didn't say on the program how she came to recognize Gardner as the man she said attacked her.

The day after the attack, she went running again, this time with a pit bull.

"I felt if I didn't get back on the horse right away, that I never would," she said.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100317/ap_on_re_us/us_missing_teen


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Nut44x4 on March 17, 2010, 06:14:00 PM
Weeks later, body officially ID'd as Chelsea's
By J. Harry Jones, UNION-TRIBUNE STAFF WRITER

Wednesday, March 17, 2010 at 2:23 p.m.

Sheriff Bill Gore has officially confirmed what everyone has known for weeks now: the body found by the banks of Lake Hodges on March 2 was that of 17-year-old Chelsea King.

Even though funeral services and a large public memorial celebration were held, it is the first official confirmation by authorities. On the day of the discovery, Gore said only that there was a strong likelihood that it was Chelsea.

Under orders from the District Attorney’s office, the Medical Examiner’s report on the case was sealed immediately, and all involved in the case were ordered not to reveal any information, including confirmation of the identity.

A gag order issued later by a judge concerning the case against John Albert Gardner III, who is charged with murder and rape in the case, has further silenced officials.

Sheriff’s Department Spokeswoman Jan Caldwell said Wednesday that after consulting with the District Attorney’s Office, Gore doesn’t believe confirming the identity violates the gag order.

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/mar/17/weeks-later-body-officially-idd-chelseas/


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 17, 2010, 07:13:57 PM
CNN LARRY KING LIVE
March 16, 2010


http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1003/16/lkl.01.html

+++++++

GUESTS

1.  CANDICE MONCAYO - ATTACKED BY JAG 12/09
2.  BRENT AND KELLY KING - CHELSEA'S PARENTS
3.  CARRIE MCGONIGLE - AMBER DUBOIS' MOTHER


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: cw618 on March 17, 2010, 07:29:08 PM

http://www.sdnn.com/sandiego/2010-03-17/local-county-news/state-prison-waives-law-to-release-central-file-for-albert-gardner

State prison waives law to release central file for John Gardne
By Staff,  SDNN
Wednesday, March 17, 2010

The California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation (CDCR) waived certain provisions of the California Public Records Act, to released the Central File of John Albert Gardner III Wednesday afternoon.

Though the agency does not typically release central files,  it stated in a press release, “in light of public interest,” it chose to do so.

Because of some prohibitions of disclosure in federal and state law though, CDCR has redacted information in accordance with these laws.

He is charged with murder with a special circumstance of rape or attempted rape in the case of 17-year-old Chelsea King. The preliminary hearing for Gardner was delayed to Aug. 4, 2010 and a gag order was signed in the case on March 9. Gardner appeared in court briefly for the status conference.  During his arraignment a week earlier, Gardner pleaded not guilty to King’s murder and a second charge of an attack on a jogger, Candice Moncayo, on Dec. 27, 2009.

Gardner is also the focus of an investigation in the death of 14-year-old Amber Dubois, who went missing Feb. 13, 2009. Dubois’ remains were discovered in Pala on March 7.


Gardner’s Central File is 282 pages
http://www.cdcr.ca.gov/News/gardner_doc/Gardner_Redacted_Central_File.pdf

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http://www.sdnn.com/sandiego/2010-03-17/local-county-news/crime/candice-moncayo-talks-of-attack-similar-to-chelsea-kings

Candice Moncayo talks of attack similar to Chelsea King case
By Staff,  Associated Press
Wednesday, March 17, 2010



LOS ANGELES — A 23-year-old woman allegedly attacked by a registered sex offender at the same park where he is accused of killing a San Diego teenager two months later said Tuesday that she believed he was going to rape her.

Appearing on CNN’s “Larry King Live,” Candice Moncayo said she’ll testify against 30-year-old John Gardner, who has pleaded not guilty to assaulting her in December and murdering 17-year-old Chelsea King in February.

King’s parents also appeared on the show and said it was painful to hear Moncayo’s story.

“I am so glad she was able to fight him off,” said Brent King, Chelsea’s father. “It was very painful to listen to, though.”

Moncayo said her assailant tackled her at the end of her run, pinned her to the ground and threatened to kill her. She screamed and he told her to shut up, but she refused. Moncayo told him if he wanted to rape her, he’d have to kill her first, she said.

“He told me that could be arranged,” she said calmly

He swore at her and shook her “like you’re not supposed to shake a baby,” then she bashed him in the face with her elbow, she said.

“He grabbed his face and turned away from me and yelled some things, and I got up and ran faster than I think I ever ran in my life,” she said.

She described her attacker as a large man who stood out in the neighborhood park because he wasn’t wearing workout clothes. Moncayo didn’t say on the program how she came to recognize Gardner as the man she said attacked her.

The day after the attack, she went running again, this time with a pit bull.

“I felt if I didn’t get back on the horse right away, that I never would,” she said.

video about Moncayo at link





















Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Northern Rose on March 17, 2010, 10:24:02 PM
10News Obtains John Gardner's Prison System File

SAN DIEGO -- A nearly 300-page stack of prison documents released to 10News Wednesday gave a rare look at accused killer John Gardner's life inside the California prison system.

Gardner's file -- also known as a "central file" -- reveals more problems supervising Gardner while he was on parole.

As previously reported by 10News, Gardner lived in a Mira Mesa apartment complex in September 2007 that was around the corner from a daycare center at Miramar College. The file indicated parole agents realized this violation but may have dropped the ball in getting Gardner to move out.

One statement in the file read: "A review of the record of supervision and conversations with previous agents indicates Gardner was never given notice to relocate at the end of his lease."

The documents also revealed following Gardner's 2000 conviction for molesting and beating a teenage girl from Rancho Bernardo, he was transferred to Donovan State Prison. There, he was immediately placed into the administrative segregation unit, also known as "the sensitive needs yard."

In Gardner's initial interview, it was determined that he presented an immediate threat to the safety of himself or others and was also considered a threat to the security of the institution.

Three months later, he was transferred to the California Correctional Institution in Tehachapi, where the documents stated: "The inmate was interviewed to ascertain whether or not he has enemies here at CCI that would preclude his placement in general population."

At CCI, Gardner completed an education program and also had several prison jobs.

According to the file, he earned a glowing report that stated he was an "excellent teacher's assistant, enjoys what he is doing and motivates the students … and runs the classroom math program and has generated great enthusiasm."

The documents also stated how Gardner was written up several times for smoking a cigarette in prison and possession of a butane lighter.

In 2003, Gardner wrote a handwritten appeal in response to one of the smoking offenses. He complained to a hearing staff member, claiming he was found guilty without being allowed to bring forth witnesses and that they believed officers over him. He finished his handwritten appeal by stating: "I feel my right to properly state my case was violated."

According to the file, in 2004 Gardner complained of being threatened by other inmates and was transferred to Avenal State Prison.

In July 2005, Gardner was involved in what the prison referred to as "mutual combat" at Avenal, which led to the loss of family visits and visits with minors.

The file said: "The above inmate has been restricted from visiting with minor children."

Click here to read the complete prison system report.
http://10newsblogs.com/pdf/gardner-central-file.pdf


http://www.10news.com/news/22872197/detail.html


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: klaasend on March 18, 2010, 03:34:42 PM
http://www.cbs8.com/Global/story.asp?S=12162920

Gardner lived by school for 16 months
Posted: Mar 18, 2010 7:28 AM PDT Updated: Mar 18, 2010 7:31 AM PDT


SACRAMENTO, Calif. (AP) — State corrections department records show a convicted sex offender charged with murdering Chelsea King lived near a preschool for at least 16 months before parole officials forced him to move.

A top corrections official tells The Associated Press that a regional administrator let John Gardner continue living within 126 yards of the San Diego County preschool until his lease expired in 2006. But no one noticed he was still living there until a year later.

Assistant Secretary Oscar Hidalgo said Wednesday there was confusion in part because of a change in parole agents.

Gardner pleaded not guilty earlier this month to murdering 17-year-old Chelsea King. He also is under investigation in the murder of 14-year-old Amber Dubois in Escondido in early 2009.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: MuffyBee on March 18, 2010, 04:16:36 PM
http://www.cbs8.com/Global/story.asp?S=12162920

Gardner lived by school for 16 months
Posted: Mar 18, 2010 7:28 AM PDT Updated: Mar 18, 2010 7:31 AM PDT


SACRAMENTO, Calif. (AP) — State corrections department records show a convicted sex offender charged with murdering Chelsea King lived near a preschool for at least 16 months before parole officials forced him to move.

A top corrections official tells The Associated Press that a regional administrator let John Gardner continue living within 126 yards of the San Diego County preschool until his lease expired in 2006. But no one noticed he was still living there until a year later.

Assistant Secretary Oscar Hidalgo said Wednesday there was confusion in part because of a change in parole agents.

Gardner pleaded not guilty earlier this month to murdering 17-year-old Chelsea King. He also is under investigation in the murder of 14-year-old Amber Dubois in Escondido in early 2009.


  First, I wonder if the place that leased to John Gardner ran a criminal background check on him.   And then a regional admin let him continue living there until his lease expired?   ::MonkeyShocked::  Why is that?  Thinking more of the SO then the safety of the children in the area?   ::MonkeyMad::  It's not the regional admin's place to make the laws, but to ENFORCE them, isn't it?  So the regional admin made their own set of rules?  I need to see if I can find just how this works.  Is there something that says SO's aren't supposed to live within a certain distance from schools, the exception being at the discretion of the Regional Director?  I think the Regional Director needs their hiney fired for starters.    And "no one noticed he was still living there until a year later".  Makes me just sick.   ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Northern Rose on March 18, 2010, 07:10:30 PM
Prison report on John Gardner released

Registered sex offender John Albert Gardner III repeatedly got into trouble in prison for smoking and ditching work but also excelled at teaching math and English to Spanish-speaking students, according to prison records released this week.

Gardner pleaded not guilty to raping and murdering 17-year-old Chelsea King of Poway Feb. 25, and not guilty to attacking another young female jogger in late December. Both attacks took place near Lake Hodges.

On Wednesday, the Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation released 282 pages of Gardner's prison and parole records after The San Diego Union-Tribune, other media and lawmakers requested the information.

The records show he was moved in and out of solitary confinement, had privileges taken away and restored, and was involved in at least one "mutual combat," the Union-Tribune reported.

Gardner served five years in prison after pleading guilty to attacking a 13-year-old neighbor girl in Rancho Bernardo in 2000. He was paroled in September 2005.

The 30-year-old Gardner could face the death penalty if convicted in Chelsea's death. A preliminary hearing is set for Aug. 4.

Escondido police said Gardner is a focal point into their investigation into the death of Escondido teen Amber Dubois. Amber was 14 when she went missing while walking to Escondido High School in February 2009. Her remains were discovered in the Pala area earlier this month.

http://www.delmartimes.net/news/267205-prison-report-on-john-gardner-released


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: piwannaberookie on March 18, 2010, 09:26:53 PM
Piwannabe- No you don't have to put your real name in Facebook or Myspace, you can put completely false information. 

I just changed my info yesterday hehe.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: sebastian on March 18, 2010, 11:48:39 PM
Piwannabe- No you don't have to put your real name in Facebook or Myspace, you can put completely false information. 

I just changed my info yesterday hehe.

Good for you Pi! Better to be safe!


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: sebastian on March 18, 2010, 11:50:36 PM
Piwannabe- No you don't have to put your real name in Facebook or Myspace, you can put completely false information. 

I just changed my info yesterday hehe.

Good for you Pi! Better to be safe!

I should add, if you changed the info so that you can sleuth etc, remember that some of these sickos are computer experts and can still trace you. Be careful!


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Tracygirl on March 19, 2010, 02:28:03 AM
I cannot find the article on it at all, sorry but on KCRA Sacremento last night they began a story about Gardner stating that a Sex offender that had just been released from jail was arrested for reoffending.  ::MonkeyNoNo:: Then they went on to talk about Gardner and the need for tougher laws. When the news up this way in is talking about something other then news at the capitol, you know it must be everywhere in California. The families of the victims are really doing a good job in getting their message out there. 


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Northern Rose on March 19, 2010, 03:32:09 PM
SAN DIEGO (AP) — It turns out the convicted sex offender who's now charged with murdering a 17-year-old California girl had plenty of encounters with police after he was released from prison following an earlier conviction. Records show that John Gardner was repeatedly fined for drug and driving offenses, once while driving a car similar to one that was later used during an attempted child kidnapping.

http://www.9and10news.com/Category/Story/?id=214568&cID=3


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Northern Rose on March 19, 2010, 03:34:17 PM
Chelsea King Murder Suspect Repeatedly Stopped by Cops


Law enforcement records show John Gardner III was cited at least eight times between his 2005 prison release and his arrest last month for Chelsea King's death.

SAN DIEGO -- The sex offender charged with murdering a San Diego County teen was repeatedly fined for drug and driving offenses after his prison release -- once while driving a car that later may have been used in an attempted kidnapping.

Law enforcement records show John Gardner III was cited at least eight times between his 2005 prison release and his arrest last month for Chelsea King's death.

The records show he and another sex offender were found smoking pot at an Oceanside park in 2008.

Gardner was stopped in Escondido last June for driving without insurance. His gold Pontiac matched the description of a car used four months later in the attempted gunpoint abduction of a girl in his hometown of Lake Elsinore.

Authorities seized a similar car on March 11 from an Escondido junkyard. It was not immediately clear whether the car belongs to Gardner.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/03/19/chelsea-king-murder-suspect-repeatedly-stopped-cops/



Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: klaasend on March 19, 2010, 03:34:34 PM
http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local-beat/Gardner-Repeatedly-Stopped-by-Cops----88572002.html

Gardner Repeatedly Stopped by Cops
Chelsea King's accused killer was cited at least eight times after his prison release

Updated 12:10 PM PDT, Fri, Mar 19, 2010

AP

A convicted sex offender charged with murdering a 17-year-old California girl was repeatedly fined for drug and driving offenses following his 2005 release from prison -- once while driving a car similar to one later used during an attempted child kidnapping, records show.

Four incidents occurred while John Albert Gardner III was on parole, including a misdemeanor citation for possessing marijuana.

It was not immediately clear if the marijuana violation could have sent Gardner back to prison.

The state Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation could not be reached for comment Friday. The media office was closed for a state-mandated furlough day.

Officers who stop sex offenders for minor violations may not be aware of their status, authorities said. A few states include notification on their driver's licenses that the holder is a sex offender, but California licenses do not.

Gardner served five years for beating and molesting a 13-year-old neighbor in 2000.

He had been off parole for two months in 2008 when he and another registered sex offender were found drinking beer and smoking marijuana in the bed of a truck at an Oceanside park, law enforcement records show.

The other man was sent back to prison for violating parole. Gardner was fined $640.

State law bars registered sex offenders from living near parks but not from visiting them.

Last June, Gardner was cited for driving without proof of insurance on a freeway near Escondido. He was driving a gold 1999 Pontiac Grand Prix. That October, a similar car was used by someone who unsuccessfully tried to abduct a girl at gunpoint as she walked to school in the Riverside County town of Lake Elsinore, authorities said.

Authorities seized a similar car from an Escondido junkyard earlier this month and took it to a city holding facility.

Gardner has not been charged in that case, but a composite sketch of the suspect resembles Gardner, who was living in Lake Elsinore when he was arrested on Feb. 28 in the Chelsea King case.

Gardner, 30, has pleaded not guilty to assaulting and murdering the Poway teen, who vanished last month while running at a San Diego wilderness park. Her body was found near the shore of Lake Hodges.

Gardner also is under investigation but has not been charged in the killing of 14-year-old Amber Dubois, who vanished last year while walking to school in Escondido. Her bones were discovered earlier this month north of San Diego.

Records show that between his prison release and re-arrest, Gardner was cited at least eight times for running a red light, speeding, lacking proof of insurance, possessing marijuana and having an open container of alcohol in a car.

He was fined in seven cases, and one speeding ticket was dismissed after he completed traffic school.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Northern Rose on March 19, 2010, 03:35:15 PM
More Than 2K Expected to Participate in "Finish Chelsea's Run"

AP/KNX 1070 NEWSRADIO) - More than 2000 people are expected to participate in a run through the San Diego park where Chelsea King was attacked in a tribute that's being called "Finish Chelsea's Run."

The three-mile run will take place Saturday at Rancho Bernardo Community Park. Organizers have posted information on Facebook.

The 9 a.m. event will take joggers around trails near Lake Hodges.

Chelsea, a 17-year-old Poway resident, never returned from a run at the park on Feb. 25. Her body was later found buried near the lake.

Convicted sex offender John Gardner has pleaded not guilty to her assault and to the attempted rape of another woman.

Authorities also say he's a suspect in last year's murder of 14-year-old Amber Dubois of Escondido.

http://www.knx1070.com/More-Than-2K-Expected-to-Participate-in--Finish-Ch/6613569


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: klaasend on March 19, 2010, 03:37:25 PM

Gardner Repeatedly Stopped by Cops

Chelsea King's accused killer was cited at least eight times after his prison release
Updated 10:11 AM PDT, Fri, Mar 19, 2010

Source: Gardner Repeatedly Stopped by Cops | NBC San Diego


The sex offender charged with murdering a San Diego County teen was repeatedly fined for drug and driving offenses after his prison release -- once while driving a car that may have been used in an attempted kidnapping.

Records show John Gardner was cited at least eight times between his 2005 prison release and his arrest last month for Chelsea King's death.

In 2008, he and another sex offender were found smoking pot at an Oceanside park.

Gardner was stopped in Escondido last June for driving without insurance. His gold Pontiac matched the description of a car used four months later in the attempted gunpoint abduction of a girl in his hometown of Lake Elsinore.

Authorities seized a similar car on March 11 from an Escondido junkyard. It was not immediately clear whether the car belongs to Gardner.







 Copyright Associated Press / NBC San Diego
First Published: Mar 19, 2010 10:05 AM PDT

Source: Gardner Repeatedly Stopped by Cops | NBC San Diego
http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local-beat/Gardner-Repeatedly-Stopped-by-Cops----88572002.html


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: klaasend on March 19, 2010, 03:38:08 PM

Gardner remained free after repeated run-ins
In one, he was with another sex offender -- and that man was sent back to prison

By Matthew T. Hall, UNION-TRIBUNE STAFF WRITER

Originally published March 18, 2010 at 10:10 p.m., updated March 18, 2010 at 11:12 p.m.

One night in November 2008, a police cruiser rolled up on two registered sex offenders drinking beer and smoking marijuana in the bed of a truck at an Oceanside city park.

One was returned to prison on a parole violation. The other, John Albert Gardner III, had been off parole for two months and so remained free, according to records obtained by The San Diego Union-Tribune.

The encounter was typical of life for Gardner after he got out of prison for molesting and beating a former Rancho Bernardo neighbor, a 13-year-old girl.

Time after time, he came in contact with law enforcement. Time after time, he walked away.

Gardner was cited at least eight times by five agencies between his release from state prison in September 2005 and his arrest Feb. 28. He has pleaded not guilty to charges that he raped and killed Chelsea King, 17, of Poway. He is also a focus of the investigation into the death of Amber Dubois, 14, of Escondido.

After the five-year prison sentence on his 2000 case, Gardner ran a red light, got two speeding tickets, lacked proof of insurance twice, and was cited twice for marijuana possession and once for an open container of alcohol.

Four infractions occurred while he was on parole — the red-light violation, the speeding tickets and a misdemeanor marijuana possession offense. Except for one dismissed speeding ticket due to completion of traffic school, he received fines as punishment.

Alan Mobley, an assistant professor of public affairs and criminal justice at San Diego State University, said the system isn’t set up to track every violation of a sex offender, or an ex-con, upon release from prison. Often, authorities may not even know they’ve encountered a sex offender during a traffic stop.

“There’s a tension in the law between offering protection from wayward individuals and offering protection from wayward government, and that’s where the Bill of Rights comes from,” Mobley said. “That debate has been with us since the beginning of the country, and it remains with us still.”

Much about the Oceanside incident would have violated Gardner’s parole: the beer, the pot, the park location, his buddy’s sex-offender status and the fact Gardner was out after 5 p.m. But his parole had ended two months earlier.

The episode did become a parole violation for Dominique Whitehair, who’s a registered sex offender for the misdemeanor charge of annoying or molesting a minor. Whitehair was sent back to prison for more than nine months, according to the state Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation.

For Gardner, it was merely a $640 lapse in judgment, one of three San Diego County Superior Court fines that a court spokeswoman said Gardner has had referred to collections.

In Gardner’s case, a return to prison might have meant more stringent punishment such as possible confinement at a mental hospital or lifetime GPS  tracking.

Whitehair told the officer in Ocean-side that night in 2008 that he was on parole, but it was a records check that revealed both he and Gardner were registered sex offenders, according to the officer’s two-page report.

There are more than 4,000 registered sex offenders in San Diego County, with about 1,800 of them living in the city of San Diego. Oceanside has about 250, and Escondido 192.

Under Jessica’s Law from 2006, sex offenders are supposed to be barred from living within 2,000 feet of a school or park, but its implementation is under legal review. The state law doesn’t ban them from simply visiting a school or park.

By law, sex offenders must verify their addresses with local law enforcement annually or upon moving; sexually violent predators must do so every 90 days, and those who are transients, every 30.

Yet traffic citations and violations short of arrests or convictions aren’t something San Diego police keep in their sex offenders’ case files, Lt. Rick O’Hanlon said.
Such infractions also wouldn’t necessarily be known before authorities visit sex offenders at their homes, for sporadic audits or sweeps in association with parole or probation agents, O’Hanlon said.

Alerting law enforcement officers that they’re dealing with a sex offender could have immediate implications if there are children or hitchhikers with the person or if the person is near a park, a tot lot or a school.

Mike Moreau, a director on the board of the San Diego chapter of Parents of Murdered Children, said tracking sex offenders through driving records is one way an array of agencies in the justice system could communicate better.

Bill Southwell, who supervised the San Diego County sheriff’s child-abuse unit from 1985 to 1988 and from 1991 to 1994, said cluing in California’s law enforcement to its interaction with sex offenders could be a big help.

As it stands, the system “depends a little too much on the sophistication and the initiative” of any given officer, officials say.
“If he’s really interested in this subject of sex crimes, he can push to get the information and ask for it specifically, but it would be an enhancement to the community if this automatically popped out,” Southwell said.

A handful of states have a code or line item on sex offenders’ driver’s licenses, so officers know when they pull one over. California has no such provision. In Delaware, the letter “Y” is included on a driver’s license as a signal to officers that they are dealing with a sex offender. In Louisiana, it’s “SEX OFFENDER,” written in capital orange letters.

Robert Coombs, a lobbyist since 2005 for the California Coalition Against Sexual Assault, which represents 85 rape crisis centers statewide, isn’t sold on any sort of link between driving records and sex-offender registries.

“If he’s really interested in this subject of sex crimes, he can push to get the information and ask for it specifically, but it would be an enhancement to the community if this automatically popped out,” Southwell said.

A handful of states have a code or line item on sex offenders’ driver’s licenses, so officers know when they pull one over. California has no such provision. In Delaware, the letter “Y” is included on a driver’s license as a signal to officers that they are dealing with a sex offender. In Louisiana, it’s “SEX OFFENDER,” written in capital orange letters.

Robert Coombs, a lobbyist since 2005 for the California Coalition Against Sexual Assault, which represents 85 rape crisis centers statewide, isn’t sold on any sort of link between driving records and sex-offender registries.

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/mar/18/gardner-remained-free-after-repeated-run-ins/


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: klaasend on March 19, 2010, 03:38:45 PM
Who is Dominique Whitehair, the sex offender caught with JAG and sent back to Prison?
Was he out of prison when Amber went missing? Is he still in prison?  Could he have known where Amber was found? 


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: klaasend on March 19, 2010, 03:39:41 PM
http://www.meganslaw.ca.gov/cgi/prosoma.dll?zoomAction=Box&zoomAction=clickcenter&zoomAction=clickoffender&lastName=Whitehair&firstName=Dominique%20&Address=&City=&zipcode=&searchDistance=.75&City2=&countyLocation=&zipcode2=&SelectCounty=&ParkName=&searchDistance2=.75&City3=&zipcode3=&countyLocation3=&schoolName=&searchDistance3=.75&City4=&zipcode4=&countyLocation4=&refineID=&pan=&distacross=107211&centerlat=38409907&centerlon=-121514242&starlat=&starlon=&startext=&x1=&y1=&x2=&y2=&mapwidth=525&mapheight=400&zoom=&searchBy=namelist&id=&docountycitylist=2&OFDTYPE=&lang=ENGLISH


Last Name: WHITEHAIR  First Name: DOMINIQUE  Middle Name: JOHN 
 
   


Specific address not subject to disclosure

 
 Description Offenses Scars/Marks/Tattoos Known Aliases
Last Known Address:
92083
County: SAN DIEGO
Zip Code 92083
Date of Birth: 07-16-1977
Sex: MALE
Height: 6'1"
Weight: 190
Eye Color: HAZEL
Hair Color: BLONDE
Ethnicity: WHITE

Offense Code
Description
m647.6 ANNOY/MOLEST CHILDREN
None
 
WHITEHAIR, DOMINQUE JOHN
 
 


(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub8/WhiteHair.jpg)


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: klaasend on March 19, 2010, 03:39:59 PM
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub8/WhiteHairCities.jpg)


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: klaasend on March 19, 2010, 03:40:57 PM
10,000 Reward for finding a Hemet, California sexual assault suspect http://www.riversidesheriff.org/press/hem10-0303.htm



Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: klaasend on March 19, 2010, 03:41:37 PM
Just copying some posts from Amber's thread over here.  We have no verification that Gardner is involved in Amber's murder YET.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Missiontoconvict on March 19, 2010, 04:24:30 PM
Thank you for all the updates everyone  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: theboyzmom on March 20, 2010, 11:52:19 AM
http://www.cbs8.com/Global/story.asp?S=12162920

Gardner lived by school for 16 months
Posted: Mar 18, 2010 7:28 AM PDT Updated: Mar 18, 2010 7:31 AM PDT


SACRAMENTO, Calif. (AP) — State corrections department records show a convicted sex offender charged with murdering Chelsea King lived near a preschool for at least 16 months before parole officials forced him to move.

A top corrections official tells The Associated Press that a regional administrator let John Gardner continue living within 126 yards of the San Diego County preschool until his lease expired in 2006. But no one noticed he was still living there until a year later.

Assistant Secretary Oscar Hidalgo said Wednesday there was confusion in part because of a change in parole agents.

Gardner pleaded not guilty earlier this month to murdering 17-year-old Chelsea King. He also is under investigation in the murder of 14-year-old Amber Dubois in Escondido in early 2009.


  First, I wonder if the place that leased to John Gardner ran a criminal background check on him.   And then a regional admin let him continue living there until his lease expired?   ::MonkeyShocked::  Why is that?  Thinking more of the SO then the safety of the children in the area?   ::MonkeyMad::  It's not the regional admin's place to make the laws, but to ENFORCE them, isn't it?  So the regional admin made their own set of rules?  I need to see if I can find just how this works.  Is there something that says SO's aren't supposed to live within a certain distance from schools, the exception being at the discretion of the Regional Director?  I think the Regional Director needs their hiney fired for starters.    And "no one noticed he was still living there until a year later".  Makes me just sick.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

Sadly most landlords do not run criminal checks. Even though we do, we are prohibited from discriminating based just on the criminal convictions - I do find ways around it but it is tough and luckily we have never been taken to court over it. I do find it sad that the system did not notice him living there - in the age of computers, all you have to do is put the address in and it shows a map with everything on it. Why does the system not just use that?


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Paladine on March 20, 2010, 12:49:53 PM
Hey Monkeys!   ::MonkeyKiss:: I haven't been here in years...but hearing about Chelsea and Amber drew me back...enough is enough!  ::MonkeyMad:: It just took me 3 days to read all 91 pages of this thread! I have much more reading to do...but I just wanted to say thank you for the 91 pages which included some amazing sleuthing and interesting links. Scared Monkey's never fail to impress...:)


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: klaasend on March 20, 2010, 02:17:28 PM
http://www.10news.com/news/22893317/detail.html

Hundreds Show Up For Chelsea's Run
Event Held Saturday At 9AM At Rancho Bernardo Community Park


POSTED: 4:36 pm PDT March 19, 2010
UPDATED: 10:07 am PDT March 20, 2010

RANCHO BERNARDO, Calif. -- Hundreds of people, many dressed in blue or orange, headed out on a run/walk along the shores of Lake Hodges Saturday to symbolically complete the final act that slain Poway High School senior Chelsea King set out to do -- take a jog in the scenic park.

"Finish Chelsea's Run" was intended as a show of devotion to the memory of the 17-year-old straight-A student, and as a way for the community to "take back" the open-space area where she was allegedly raped and killed, organizers said.

Participants began gathering at 7 a.m. near the lake at Rancho Bernardo Community Park, where a band played on a stage flanked by giant posters of King.

Many people caught shuttles from a nearby mall to the site of the 3-mile run/walk, which began at 9 a.m. Pets on leashes and children were welcome, according to organizers.

Searchers found King's body in a shallow grave along an arroyo above Lake Hodges on March 2, five days after the cross-country running team member went missing.

A registered sex offender has been charged with raping and murdering her and could face the death penalty if convicted. John Albert Gardner III, 30, also stands accused of attacking another young jogger in the same park in late December, where the 22-year-old victim escaped after elbowing her attacker in the face.

Investigators have described Gardner as a "focal point" of their investigation of the apparent murder of 14-year-old Amber Dubois of Escondido, who vanished while walking to school in February 2009.

The high school freshman's skeletal remains were found on a hillside in the Pala area four days after King's body was found.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Edward on March 20, 2010, 03:28:25 PM
Welcome back Paladine.  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Nut44x4 on March 20, 2010, 06:49:41 PM
California to keep closer watch on sex offenders

After criticism over high-profile lapses, state parole officials issue new rules that increase monitoring of sex offenders.
March 20, 2010

California parole officials issued new rules this week that increase monitoring of thousands of sex offenders already required to wear global positioning system tracking devices, a move that comes after sharp criticism of high-profile lapses by the department.

Parole agents must now track the whereabouts of the state's nearly 5,000 low-level sex offenders through ankle monitors at least four days a month. Previously, no policy mandated how often low-level offenders had to be tracked.

An additional 2,000 high-risk sex offenders, who already are supposed to be monitored daily, must be visited by a parole officer at their homes twice a month, up from one monthly visit.

"We've never claimed that GPS monitoring is a cure-all -- it can't prevent a crime from happening or tell us what a parolee is doing, " said Gordon Hinkle, press secretary for the state Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation. "But it can tell us where they are."

The changes, issued in a Thursday policy memo, were spurred by a review of the parole agency in the wake of the Jaycee Lee Dugard case. The review found that parole agents for Phillip Garrido, who has been charged with Dugard's kidnapping, missed numerous clues over the course of a decade that could have led them to Dugard far sooner.

Dugard was 11 when she disappeared in 1991 from outside her South Lake Tahoe home.

She was 29 when she was found last year in Garrido's Antioch backyard, where he allegedly confined her to a ramshackle set of buildings and tents.

The new parole policies also require agents to investigate and document each time a device is unable to acquire a signal or is detected in a prohibited zone. The more stringent reporting requirements are designed to alert authorities to misbehavior that might signal a crime is in the works, officials said.

Parole agents also must notify local law enforcement when an offender is released from parole.

The supervision of sex offenders came under renewed scrutiny this month after it was reported that the man charged with killing 17-year-old Chelsea King of Poway had violated parole in 2007 by living near a school. But state officials decided not to send John Albert Gardner III -- who was on parole after serving five years in prison for molesting a 13-year-old girl -- back to prison because he complied with orders to relocate.

King's body was found in a shallow grave this month, just days after Gardner was arrested in connection with her disappearance.

San Diego state Assemblyman Nathan Fletcher, with the backing of King's family, has said he will propose a new law in Chelsea's name, which could include extending sentences and upping parole requirements for sex offenders.
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-sex-offenders20-2010mar20,0,1460285.story?track=rss


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: ChiChi on March 20, 2010, 07:12:58 PM
Hey Monkeys!   ::MonkeyKiss:: I haven't been here in years...but hearing about Chelsea and Amber drew me back...enough is enough!  ::MonkeyMad:: It just took me 3 days to read all 91 pages of this thread! I have much more reading to do...but I just wanted to say thank you for the 91 pages which included some amazing sleuthing and interesting links. Scared Monkey's never fail to impress...:)

Welcom Back Paladine  ::HelloKitty::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: klaasend on March 21, 2010, 10:08:12 AM
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/mar/21/3500-runners-walkers-finish-the-route-that/

(http://media.signonsandiego.com/img/photos/2010/03/20/UTI1508616__t352.jpg)

3,500 finish route that Chelsea started
Slain girl’s mother cheers participants

By Kristina Davis, UNION-TRIBUNE STAFF WRITER

(snipped)


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Tracygirl on March 21, 2010, 05:22:47 PM
What a thoughtful community. They really have shown a lot of support for Chelsea and her family.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: klaasend on March 23, 2010, 06:37:39 PM
http://www.10news.com/news/22921656/detail.html

Kings Back Assemblyman's 'Chelsea's Law' Plan


POSTED: 12:00 pm PDT March 23, 2010
UPDATED: 1:28 pm PDT March 23, 2010

SAN DIEGO -- The parents of slain Poway High senior Chelsea King called Tuesday for swift changes in the law to strengthen protections for children against violent sexual predators.

The 17-year-old honors student disappeared Feb. 25 during a run in Rancho Bernardo Community Park. Her body was discovered five days later in a tributary of Lake Hodges.

Convicted sex offender John Albert Gardner III is charged with her rape and murder.

"If our laws were smarter and bolder, Chelsea might still be here," said her father, Brent King. "If there was greater accountability for enforcement of existing laws, Chelsea might still be here.

"If our elected officials ... Republicans, Democrats, assemblymen and congressmen, judges and governors ... made decisions based on how that decision would affect their own daughter or their own son, there'd be swift and decisive reform for all of our children now," he said.

Assemblyman Nathan Fletcher, whose 75th District includes Rancho Bernardo and Poway, said a proposed new law designed to better protect children against sexual predators -- called Chelsea's Law -- will be introduced early next month.

"This heartbreaking case has left a lot of unanswered questions about how our criminal justice system failed, about how it failed Chelsea and unfortunately about how it continues to leave all of our children at risk," Fletcher said.

Questions remain about what changes need to be made to better protect children against violent sexual predators, the assemblyman said.

"Primary among these is what policy changes can we take to best protect our children to honor the memory of Chelsea King and to ensure that no family has to go through what the King family is experiencing every single day," Fletcher said.

Chelsea's mother said she is committed to bringing about changes in the law that will better protect children from violent sexual predators.

"I promise to do all I can to protect other daughters and other mothers from the incomprehensible nightmare I'm walking through," Kelly King said. "I need every parent, every lawmaker, every citizen to stand with me.

"I'm strong, but the weight of this task ahead will take every single one of us," she said. "I beg everyone to be relentless and join a new group of warriors -- warriors for change, and for Chelsea's light."

The reform effort will initially focus on three areas -- the need to enact an effective "one-strike" sex offender provision, parole reform and better GPS tracking, Fletcher said.

Brent and Kelly King have established the Chelsea's Light Foundation, designed to support legislative, educational and other viable remedies to support sexual predators from harming children.

The "Chelsea's Law Forum" will be held March 30 at Maranatha Chapel in Rancho Bernardo to offer the community a chance to learn about the existing sex offender laws and to give input into what can be done to better protect children, Fletcher said.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Northern Rose on March 25, 2010, 12:19:56 PM
Lawmakers Slam Prison System for Destroying Parole Records

SACRAMENTO, Calif. - California lawmakers are criticizing a corrections department policy of destroying parole agents' field notes a year after ex-convicts are released from supervision.
   
The policy caused a public uproar after a convicted sex molester was arrested in February in the death of a 17-year-old Chelsea King. The suspect, John Albert Gardner III, has pleaded not guilty.
   
A corrections official initially said Gardner's entire parole file had been destroyed under the policy, but key portions were found later. Another official apologized for the misinformation Wednesday during a legislative committee hearing.

Assemblyman Nathan Fletcher of San Diego asked for the hearing after learning the parole file for convicted sex offender and murder suspect, John Albert Gardner, had been destroyed in accordance with Corrections' own internal policy.
               
Governor Schwarzenegger ordered the agency to end this practice immediately.   

Gardner is suspected of murdering Chelsea King in Rancho Bernardo and attacking another jogger who survived.

http://www.sandiego6.com/news/local/story/Lawmakers-Slam-Prison-System-for-Destroying/glXHOKwLz0KgaUUX1RYtsA.cspx


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Northern Rose on March 25, 2010, 12:21:45 PM
Prison officials grilled over Gardner, records (video)

SACRAMENTO (KABC) -- California's corrections department was in the hot seat Wednesday about dumping parole records too quickly. A hearing was held Wednesday just weeks after convicted sex offender John Gardner was charged with the murder of Chelsea King. Gardner's parole records were destroyed not long after his release.

The case involving John Gardner, the sex offender who served time for molesting a 13-year-old and is now accused of killing 17-year-old Chelsea King in the San Diego area, revealed serious problems in the California parole system. Gardner is also the focus of another teen's disappearance.

State lawmakers slammed prison administrators for the practice of destroying field parole records one year after parolees are discharged; but corrections defended the policy of dumping files that contain parole agents' notes.

"I think it's hard to explain why we would destroy any records of a sex offender, especially in an instance like this where you have somebody who had done something so awful and been warned he is a danger: he will re-offend. He will hurt young girls again," said state Assemblyman Nathan Fletcher (R-San Diego).

"Those field notes by the agent have a ton of information that's not really, has any investigative value, would be no value to law enforcement," said Scott Kernan, Calif. Department of Corrections.

Destroying field parole records has been the state's practice for decades because there's not enough space to store all that paper.

"What do you need? Do you need a scanner? Do you need a hard drive?" said Fletcher.

"We do not have the ability to have our systems automated," said Kernan.

"The fact that we have an agency in 2010 that doesn't have the ability to scan and retain documents electronically is kind of shocking," said Fletcher.

"The Legislature approved the funding for that. And it's a multi-year project," said Kernan.


"When will that be done?" said Fletcher.

"Well, it's going to take several years," said Kernan.

Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger ordered the Corrections Department earlier this month to start keeping parole records of sex offenders in the hopes of improving public safety.

"It's outrageous that that happened and something like this fell through the cracks because a life was lost because of that," said Schwarzenegger. "That is, you know, devastating."

http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?section=news/state&id=7349270


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Northern Rose on March 25, 2010, 12:23:21 PM
King Family: Case Against Gardner 'Air Tight'

SAN DIEGO -- Chelsea King's parents tell 10News' Steve Fiorina about the support they have received from the community and the punishment they want for their daughter's accused killer.

Brent and Kelly King, the parents of slain Poway teen Chelsea King, spoke to 10News' Steve Fiorina Wednesday about the man accused of killing their daughter and the support they are receiving from the community.

It's been almost a month and the Kings' pain has not eased. The Kings wanted to share their thoughts and chose a park in Rancho Bernardo, away from the place where Chelsea disappeared.

Brent and Kelly King are somehow holding it together.

"We're still getting by, moment by moment," said Kelly King.

Chelsea's death devastated the family, and convicted sex offender John Gardner was charged with her death. Several sources told 10News that DNA found on Chelsea's discarded clothing linked Gardner to the crime.

"I would tell you that, in my opinion, it's an air-tight case. They haven't shared those words with me. It's my trust of law enforcement that makes me feel they have an air-tight case. That's my hope," said Brent King.

"What do you think is the right punishment?" asked Fiorina.

"Death penalty," said Kelly King

Brent King added, "Yep, absolutely."

Brent King said, "I've said it before and I'll say it again: the death penalty isn't enough. I can't wait for the death penalty … so he can have his pain.

Chelsea had a big decision ahead of her: which college to go to. She has received a large number of acceptance letters, including letters from Washington, Colorado, British Columbia, Denver, Emerson and UC Davis.

"So when these acceptance letters are coming in, I'm excited they're coming ... (but) it's so hard," said Kelly King.

Kelly King continues to wear blue and orange bracelets to honor her daughter and is working to keep Chelsea's spirit alive in many ways, including a Web site and foundation called Chelsea's Light.

Last Saturday, there was a tribute run near Lake Hodges as 3,500 people finished the run Chelsea was unable to complete last month. Kelly King was there at the finish line.

"I can't go back to the spot where she was found. I don't know how I'll ever be able to do that. But the run last week, it was one of the most uplifting things I've encountered since this whole thing began. It was overwhelming and exactly what Chelsea would have loved," said Kelly King.

"We'd take her to visit grandma, at a care facility in Palm Desert, she'd light up the rooms there, just being Chelsea. That's who she is," said Brent King.

"How can you … her whole life was special, and for me to sit here and pick out one ... they're all precious, they're all priceless, so I can't," said Kelly King.

The family is busy trying to tighten laws aimed at stopping violent sexual predators.

"How many more young girls, young children, have to give their name to try and get something done right? Give their life ... how many more?" said Brent King.

"When this keeps happening, people become more enraged and disgusted. It gets to point where you collectively go, 'No more. Enough is enough,'" said Kelly King.

Kindness toward the Kings has come in many ways from sometimes unexpected sources. Brent King and his son, Tyler, were in Peoria, Ariz., for San Diego Padres' spring training games last weekend.

Padres Manager Buddy Black invited the Kings as his guests, and Brent King said the team treated them to a wonderful time and were very gracious hosts.

On Friday, it'll be one month since Chelsea disappeared.

"You can't track time. Don't know if it's been a day or 20 years. So I will do nothing different except try to remember my daughter in a positive way," said Brent King.

"And keep moving forward like she'd want us to do," said Kelly King.

http://www.10news.com/news/22948021/detail.html


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Northern Rose on March 25, 2010, 12:24:56 PM
Chelsea's Parents Speak

Chelsea King's parents said thank you on Wednesday for the love and support from thousands of San Diegans.

The body of Brent and Kelly King's daughter was found early in March in Rancho Bernardo Community Park. Convicted sex offender John Gardner III has been charged with her murder and is also being investigated in connection to the death of Escondido teenager Amber Dubois, who was last seen in February 2009. Her body was found a short time after searchers located Chelsea.

The Kings said Wednesday that they get strength and energy from the cards and letters that have filled their mailbox everyday since their daughter was slain.

"It's stuffed every day," Kelly said. "We have people --  they don't know our address or the P.O. Box. They're sending it to 'Care of Chelsea's Light in Poway, CA,' and it's all reaching us."

"We received one from a group of runners in Connecticut, and they said, 'Every day we're going to run, for the month, and we're going to think about your daughter," Brent said.

In their first local interview since thousands of people honored Chelsea at a memorial service in Poway, her parents said the days since Chelsea's murder are a nonstop journey of pain that is softened only by gestures of love and support from friends and strangers.

"We're holding up, through the strength and guidance of our daughter and this community and the changes we want to make," Brent said. "In our private moments, we don't hold up."

"I get asked a lot, you know, 'When you wake up in the morning,' you know, 'what's it like?' " Kelly said. "It's not changed. It's the same, waking up to the same nightmare, time after time, so when Brent said there's really no idea of time passing, it's because this is a never-ending heartache, and we can't measure it in days, months."

The Kings have gotten cards and e-mails from  across the country, and from Australia, England and Guam, and from U.S. soldiers in Afghanistan.


http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local-beat/Chelseas-Parents-Speak-89072972.html


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Northern Rose on March 25, 2010, 12:26:18 PM
Community reacts to violent death of Poway jogger

Chelsea King, a 17-year-old senior at Poway High School, disappeared during a run on Feb. 25. Police officials, volunteers and fans from her Facebook page gathered around the clock to search for her. They found her remains five days later in a shallow grave near Lake Hodges.
Through her Facebook fan pages, MySpace and text messages, friends, teammates, classmates and strangers drew together to mourn the loss of the cross country runner and French horn player. Students at Poway High School wore orange shirts, King’s favorite color, and bracelets with her quotes to support King and each other. Her memorial celebration was held March 13 in Poway High School’s football stadium. eight thousand sunflowers were handed out.
This past weekend, more than three thousand San Diegans walked, jogged or ran the three-mile route that King never finished. The group grieved together, saying it was what King would have wanted. Kelly King, Chelsea’s mother, cheered everyone on as they finished their run in Rancho Bernardo Community Park, “taking back the park as their own.”
During the symbolic run, organizers collected over $5,100 in donations for the Chelsea’s Light Foundation, the non-profit organization created by her parents, which is working to strengthen laws pertaining to sex offenders.
John Gardner III, 30, is the prime suspect for the murder of King. Officials arrested Gardner on Feb. 28 outside of a Mexican restaurant in Escondido. Gardner, who was living with his mother in Rancho Bernardo at the time of the arrest, a mile from the park where King went running, is a registered sex offender with a history of abusing young women.
Last December, Gardner was accused of attacking another young jogger in the same park. In 2000, Gardner lured a 13-year-old girl into his home and molested her. For these offences he was sentenced to six years in prison. He served only five years before going on parole for three years, which he violated seven times.
The story is starting to look and sound painfully familiar. Amber Dubois, 14 years old at the time, disappeared on her way to school just over a year ago. school just over a year ago. Her body was discovered shortly after King’s. Both King and Dubois were 5’5’’, young, blue-eyed and beautiful with strikingly similar facial features. When Amber’s father heard about the arrest he “strongly suspected” that Gardner was also responsible for his daughter’s abduction. Gardner remains a suspect in the Dubois case.
If convicted for the murder of King, Gardner could face the death penalty. A preliminary hearing will occur on Aug. 4.
As new information continues to be uncovered and laws against sex predators are re-examined, the public continues to remember and support these two young women and their families. As their Facebook fan page says, “You will never be forgotten, you have inspired us all over the nation.”

http://www.theusdvista.com/news/community-reacts-to-violent-death-of-poway-jogger-1.1279043


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Northern Rose on March 25, 2010, 12:31:04 PM
Relative of Gardner’s mom comes to her defense
Nurse described as ‘kind,’ ‘generous,’ ‘levelheaded’

In the early hours before John Albert Gardner III was arraigned on March 3, someone painted in red on his mother’s Rancho Bernardo townhouse, “Chelsea’s blood is on you move out.”

Catherine Osborn, Gardner’s mother, didn’t attend court that morning when her son pleaded not guilty to charges of raping and killing 17-year-old Chelsea King of Poway.

Bloggers and talk radio hosts have skewered Osborn for allowing her 30-year-old son, a convicted sex offender, to visit her home. Osborn lives less than a mile from where Chelsea’s body was found five days after the Poway High School senior went missing Feb. 25 while going for a run in Rancho Bernardo Community Park.

Others have slammed Osborn for her membership in a running group partial to beer, crass jokes and nicknames of a sexual nature. They say it raises questions about her judgment, especially because she is a registered nurse involved in the psychiatric profession.

Osborn has not responded to the criticisms or acknowledged requests for interviews. Her friends and family followed her lead until Friday, when a close relative said Osborn has been the subject of outrageously unfair attacks.

“She is the backbone of this family,” said the relative, who asked that her name not be used because she didn’t want to anger Osborn or the family’s attorney. “She’s kind, levelheaded and a generous, nurturing person, extraordinarily good in a crisis. She not only gives good advice, she follows up.

“John was there to get into rehab, and she was trying to help him find a location. At the same time, he’s an adult and he was a little resistant.”

Asked whether the rehab would be for drug, alcohol or psychiatric treatment, the relative said, “probably all three.”

Osborn is active professionally in helping the mentally ill. Last year, she chaired the legislative committee of the state’s American Psychiatric Nurses Association chapter. She authored an article in the group’s May newsletter, which included a photo of her in the annual walk hosted by the local chapter of the National Alliance on Mental Illness.

After Gardner’s arrest, Osborn went on leave from her job in a behavioral health unit at Scripps Mercy Hospital in Hillcrest.

“She has not been at work for about two weeks, but she is still employed. She has gone through a lot and she’s been on leave,” said Don Stanziano, spokesman for the Scripps Health system.

Osborn is on leave for an indefinite period, Stanziano said.

Some hospital workers said administrators scheduled and then canceled a March 11 meeting with employees who had called for Osborn’s ouster.

As for the running club, the relative said Osborn was a “moral, ethical” person, and the accusations against her are ludicrous. The group has a Web site with photos and newsletters detailing their runs.

“You won’t see any pictures of her holding a beer or not fully clothed,” the relative said.

A former relative defended Osborn on Friday in a brief telephone interview. The niece of one of Osborn’s three former husbands said she knew the family well and has stayed in touch with them.

“She’s a very good person,” the niece said.

Osborn, 54, grew up in Lawndale, a suburb of Los Angeles, the oldest of four children.

As a teenager, she had two daughters. Then, in 1980, at age 25, Osborn married Gardner’s father. She became licensed as a registered nurse in 1985 and divorced in 1989, when John Gardner III was 10.

The father lived in Palmdale when Osborn moved back to Lawndale and received full physical custody of her son. She worked as a nurse at the UCLA Neuropsychiatric Institute earning about $36,000 a year at the time of the divorce.

Osborn remarried in 1990, lived in Running Springs near Lake Arrowhead and worked as a nurse at Community Hospital of San Bernardino. In 1996, she returned to court seeking back payment for the $70 a month in child support payments her son’s father had failed to pay. By that time, she was earning about $48,000 a year.

In her filings, Osborn said her son had been hospitalized three times for emotional problems. Other documents say Gardner was diagnosed with bipolar disorder and was prescribed lithium, although it was discontinued because of side effects. He also was treated for attention deficit hyperactivity disorder.

Osborn listed the usual childhood expenses for Gardner that included braces, school supplies, bus passes, ski team, baseball and transportation for a law enforcement job-training program.

She said she was seeking the back child support because her son had been asking whether his father sent any money.

Osborn wrote to the court that if she did not pursue child support, “the messages I give to my son are: (1) He is not that important; (2) That responsibility is not that great of a commitment if you decide it’s too much or if the consequence is not that bad.”

At Rim of the World High School in Lake Arrowhead, Gardner got involved in sports and sang in the choir. He had girlfriends. Some who knew him said he was moody and got teased for being unpopular.

Gardner said later in a court document that his stepfather was an “awesome dad,” unlike his father, who had beaten him with a belt when he misbehaved.

By 1997, Osborn and Gardner had moved to a new home in Running Springs and she filed for divorce again. Gardner was 18 and had graduated from high school. Five days before Christmas, Osborn sent her son to serve the divorce papers on his stepfather.

The next year, she and her son moved to Rancho Bernardo.

In 2000, at age 21, Gardner pleaded guilty to molesting a 13-year-old neighbor in his mother’s townhouse. He had beaten and fondled the girl before she escaped and ran to a neighbor.

Gardner could have been sentenced to more than 10 years in prison. His former psychiatrist in San Bernardino, Dr. Divy J. Kikani, wrote to the sentencing judge, saying Gardner had been treated for bipolar disorder but had not been in therapy for five years. Kikani re-evaluated Gardner in August 2000 and recommended probation so that Gardner could receive inpatient psychiatric treatment and medication for 90 days, followed by outpatient therapy. Gardner also needed counseling related to anger management and impulse control, Kikani said.

Osborn also wrote to the judge to support Kikani’s recommendation.

“All of the research that I have done regarding persons who have engaged in this type of activity indicates that intense therapy is the best solution,” Osborn wrote. “I love my son, he is a good person. I also realize that accepting the consequences is an important part of learning. I hope that this tragedy can be one from which a positive outcome is possible. Through treatment, my son can be rehabilitated and contribute something meaningful back to society.”

The county’s psychiatrist, Dr. Matthew Carroll, made no reference to the diagnosis of bipolar disorder, but said Gardner showed no evidence of a psychotic disorder.

Carroll said Gardner had shown no remorse for the assault, was not a good candidate for therapy and should receive the maximum sentence because he would remain a danger to underage girls in the community.

Gardner was sentenced to six years in prison and was released after five. He was on parole for three years.

In 2004, while her son was in prison, Osborn remarried and the couple lived in her Rancho Bernardo townhouse. According to the résumé Osborn posted on her LinkedIn Web page, she earned a master’s degree in nursing from the University of Phoenix and began working at Scripps Mercy in August 2005.

When Gardner got out of prison in September 2005, he was required to register where he lived. Records show he moved between San Diego and Riverside counties, most recently listing his residence as his grandmother’s house in Lake Elsinore.

Osborn has been criticized for allowing Gardner to stay at times at her Rancho Bernardo home. It’s unclear how long his visits there were and whether he would be required to register at that address as a sex offender.

Former San Diego County District Attorney Paul Pfingst, who is now in private practice, rejected the notion that Osborn shouldn’t have allowed her son to visit or that she was responsible for ensuring he had followed the state’s registry law.

“It’s his responsibility, and it’s not expected that she would know what the law requires,” Pfingst said. “Why would the mother of someone who is 30 years old be expected to research that?”

When Gardner was released, the law required sex offenders to register with the local law enforcement agency within five days of moving their residence.

In 2007, the law was changed so that more than one address could be listed.

As for whether Osborn should have recognized Gardner could be a continuing danger, that’s a complex issue, said licensed clinical psychologist Jonathan Gale, who specializes in men’s issues and adolescents.

“Certainly, if she saw signs that indicated someone’s life was in danger, she should have done something, particularly if she’s in the (medical) field,” said Gale, who is in private practice in La Jolla.

Typically, parents invoke self-defense mechanisms because it can be so painful to believe their child is capable of a violent crime, Gale said.

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/mar/22/relative-of-gardners-mother-comes-to-her-defense/


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 25, 2010, 12:59:40 PM
Osborn also wrote to the judge to support Kikani’s recommendation.

“All of the research that I have done regarding persons who have engaged in this type of activity indicates that intense therapy is the best solution,” Osborn wrote. “I love my son, he is a good person. I also realize that accepting the consequences is an important part of learning. I hope that this tragedy can be one from which a positive outcome is possible. Through treatment, my son can be rehabilitated and contribute something meaningful back to society.”    ::MonkeyNoNo::And we all saw how good that worked.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Tracygirl on March 25, 2010, 02:13:08 PM
What a crock.
First off she is said to be a good supportive mother yet she sends her son, who she believes to have a form of mental illness, to serve divorce papers on the man who he considers to be a good father to him? Yea, that was a really good move.

Then she writes a letter claiming her son would benefit from therapy, that this will be the answer to his "problems" She writes this without any regard for the poor young girl he beat and tried to rape. What a nice nurse she is! Such a caring and thoughtful person!

But after he is released, did he seek this therapy? Was he in therapy? Did she know he was not in therapy? yep because it is said she was trying to get him to go, in 2009, still trying to get him to go. This must have been because she saw the need for him to go, right? So what was he doing? What made her want to get him into this therapy?

As far as the pics go, no she is not undressed, at least in the ones that have been found, but SHE IS STANDING THERE WITH 2 NAKED MEN in one pic and getting ready to SLAP THE NAKED REAR END OF ANOTHER WHO IS BENDING OVER. Yea what an upstanding person she is! She is just having a little fun.

In my opinion she has some responsibility in this and it would prove better to come out and say she was sorry if she did anything to do with pushing her son over the edge and offer her apologies and condolenses to the family.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Tracygirl on March 25, 2010, 02:16:11 PM
Osborn also wrote to the judge to support Kikani’s recommendation.

“All of the research that I have done regarding persons who have engaged in this type of activity indicates that intense therapy is the best solution,” Osborn wrote. “I love my son, he is a good person. I also realize that accepting the consequences is an important part of learning. I hope that this tragedy can be one from which a positive outcome is possible. Through treatment, my son can be rehabilitated and contribute something meaningful back to society.”    ::MonkeyNoNo::And we all saw how good that worked.

Yea that worked really well. maybe she needs to admit she was wrong and give her apologies and condolenses to the family. She seems to me to be a very self serving and self motivated person.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 25, 2010, 03:58:16 PM
Osborn also wrote to the judge to support Kikani’s recommendation.

“All of the research that I have done regarding persons who have engaged in this type of activity indicates that intense therapy is the best solution,” Osborn wrote. “I love my son, he is a good person. I also realize that accepting the consequences is an important part of learning. I hope that this tragedy can be one from which a positive outcome is possible. Through treatment, my son can be rehabilitated and contribute something meaningful back to society.”    ::MonkeyNoNo::And we all saw how good that worked.

Yea that worked really well. maybe she needs to admit she was wrong and give her apologies and condolenses to the family. She seems to me to be a very self serving and self motivated person.
That would be nice of her, but she seems to be a person who would never do that. I got sick reading how wonderful of a woman she is.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Missiontoconvict on March 25, 2010, 05:34:14 PM
Snipped from Relative of Gardner's.......................

She said she was seeking the back child support because her son had been asking whether his father sent any money.

Osborn wrote to the court that if she did not pursue child support, “the messages I give to my son are: (1) He is not that important; (2) That responsibility is not that great of a commitment if you decide it’s too much or if the consequence is not that bad.”


Who in God's name would ever tell a child that you are only as important as the amount of money your father pays in child support?  Just because he didn't pay did not mean he wasn't important, I'm sorry but that is not the right thing to tell a child.  IMO she is and was looking out for number one and not her son.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Tracygirl on March 25, 2010, 05:49:45 PM
Couldn't she sit her son down and say to him that his dad loves him very much and not to worry about money, that is between the adults? Why would she ever tell him he was or was not paying?


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 25, 2010, 05:53:47 PM
Couldn't she sit her son down and say to him that his dad loves him very much and not to worry about money, that is between the adults? Why would she ever tell him he was or was not paying?

Because she is crazy, and getting back at her son for some reason, imo. ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: ArmChairAnalysist on March 26, 2010, 12:13:22 PM
It also said that she worked extraordinarily good in a crisis. If she works so well in a crisis why wasn't she there on the day her son was sentenced? Why has she not spoken up in regards to the actions of her son? She must have known it was only a matter of time before this would happen.

How does a man who does not have a job, get his car repossessed but still manage to buy another car and pay for it with cash. Where is the money coming from. Who is paying for the gas he puts in these cars. That sounds like an enabler to me.

Then again no matter how well she works in a crisis, either way she would be the focus of why he turned out the way he did.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: trimmonthelake on March 27, 2010, 10:20:27 AM
http://www.patriotledger.com/opinions/x905411390/War-on-sex-crimes-must-be-waged-on-many-fronts
War on sex crimes must be waged on many fronts
 The Patriot Ledger
Posted Mar 27, 2010 @ 06:00 AM
EDITORIAL —

A sex crime in California that captivated the nation for most of this month was a painful and frightening reminder of our vulnerability to such predators.

Local police and prosecutors say there’s no reason to believe the same type of brutal attack – which led to the Feb. 28 arrest of a convicted sex offender for the rape and murder of a 17-year-old girl in California – couldn’t happen here.

Registered sex offender John Albert Gardner III is accused of murdering Chelsea King and is a suspect in the murder of 14-year-old Amber Dubois as well.

His arrest has raised many questions.

Do sex offender registries work?

Should residency laws be strengthened to further corral where offenders can live and work?

Should the worst offenders serve longer sentences or be incarcerated for life?

Unfortunately, there are no simple answers.

Our prison system is already overburdened. And limits on where sex offenders can live and work push them further away from the support and services that are needed to keep them from re-offending.

“This problem doesn’t lend itself to one solution,” said William Keating, Norfolk County District Attorney.
Both he and Plymouth County District Attorney Timothy Cruz have lobbied for longer prison sentences, extended probation or lifetime parole for the worst offenders.

“Some of these people can’t be fixed or helped,” Cruz said. “Some of them should never be released.”

Opponents to such moves argue they violate our Constitution and would push the prison system to the point of collapse and bankrupt the state in the process.

The parents of Chelsea King have launched a campaign in California – with plans to push it as a federal law – that would strengthen oversight of child-sex predators.

They’ve introduced a bill, called Chelsea’s Law, that would increase electronic monitoring, including lifetime parole with GPS monitoring for certain offenders.

It’s an idea worth serious consideration.

Meanwhile, there are things that should change immediately, such as aggressively using existing laws.

That means judges imposing maximum-allowed sentences on the predators most likely to re-offend. That means vigilant enforcement of the existing terms of parole and probation. It also means parents taking advantage of access to information – either through the state or at local police departments – about potential threats.

Yes, the sex offender registry has it’s flaws. Some offenders do not register properly or at all.

But while it cannot pinpoint all possible threats, it gives parents more information than they would have without it.

Few things elicit the kind of visceral reaction we have to stories of sex crimes against children.

Elected representatives should continue to push for laws that improve protections without bankrupting us or gutting our system of justice.

At the same time, stories like Chelsea King’s are important reminders that even as legal protections evolve, we can never let down our guard.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: piwannaberookie on March 28, 2010, 06:51:07 PM
It also said that she worked extraordinarily good in a crisis. If she works so well in a crisis why wasn't she there on the day her son was sentenced? Why has she not spoken up in regards to the actions of her son? She must have known it was only a matter of time before this would happen.

How does a man who does not have a job, get his car repossessed but still manage to buy another car and pay for it with cash. Where is the money coming from. Who is paying for the gas he puts in these cars. That sounds like an enabler to me.

Then again no matter how well she works in a crisis, either way she would be the focus of why he turned out the way he did.

You sure got that right! get mom's alibi, get her bank account information, get her computer records, get her shoes for soil samples, if she was in the pala area, she has aided and abetted Gardner now that we are learning how Gardner has been making it financially, he sure didn't use Bus transportation (RTA, BUS, etc) to go to work, someone helped him out.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Edward on March 28, 2010, 08:45:42 PM
Couldn't she sit her son down and say to him that his dad loves him very much and not to worry about money, that is between the adults? Why would she ever tell him he was or was not paying?


I have only been married... umm more times then I can count, because of the wine.. lol
Anyways I have never seen a woman use the common sense thinking 100 percent of the time that you mentioned in your first sentence. ::MonkeyWink::
Women are vicious at the X  and spell all kinds of nice words when they get upset..

Then maybe again it is just the babes I pick that do DAT.  ::MonkeyBike::




 


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Tracygirl on March 29, 2010, 12:03:30 AM
OT, Edward I have to correct you.  I have 3 children with a man I am no longer married to. He does not pay child support, has no job, lives for the most part in his trailer in another state. I have never said one bad word about him to my children. I tell my children he loves them very much and are the most important people in the world to him. They also have no idea he doesn't pay child support, that is between the adults.
Now do I believe that? No not really, he is not a great dad to them. Thank god for my husband, their step dad, but you know I love my children and want them to be healthy, whole individuals.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Northern Rose on March 29, 2010, 11:12:35 AM
VISTA: Neighborhood was home to Gardner
Accused killer lived on Lado de Loma, ex-roommate says

(http://bloximages.chicago2.vip.**/nctimes.com/content/tncms/assets/editorial/c/e1/7ee/ce17eef5-d061-560e-99c9-60050305dfa0.preview-300.jpg?_dc=1269756263)

It makes Betty Gilroy "almost nauseous" to know that accused killer John Albert Gardner III lived in her Vista neighborhood two years ago.

She said she's very glad she pushed to have sex offenders removed from a sober living home on nearby Lado de Loma Drive in 2008 ---- a campaign that appears to have contributed to Gardner's removal.

"I would do it again in a heartbeat," said Gilroy, the mother of an 18-year-old daughter.

State prison officials forced seven sex offenders from the house in May 2008. The residence, which has a weed-choked front lawn and planks missing from its fence, was not licensed to house that many sex offenders. It sits in a hilly residential neighborhood overlooking South Santa Fe Avenue and nearby rail tracks.

Gardner was charged March 3 with the murder of Poway teen Chelsea King. He is a suspect in the death of Escondido teen Amber Dubois. Remains of the two girls were found earlier this month in separate North County locations.

Gardner, according to his roommate at the time, lived at the Lado de Loma home for about two months. The roommate, who also is a registered sex offender, contacted the North County Times last week and spoke at length about Gardner.

MORE...

http://www.nctimes.com/news/local/vista/article_46273db8-db8a-5010-9917-5143c7062ee9.html


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Northern Rose on March 29, 2010, 11:15:40 AM
Sex offender board lacks resources
Group reviewing how state handled parole short on staff, budget

The board that Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger picked to review the state’s handling of convicted sex offender John Albert Gardner III’s parole has no budget, barely any staff and a history of attendance problems.

The 17-seat Sex Offender Management Board lacks a chairman and didn’t even manage a quorum this month at the first meeting to discuss its new mission.

Two of the eight members who showed up were officials from the state Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation — the agency under scrutiny for destroying some of Gardner’s parole documents and allowing him to stay on the streets despite seven parole violations in 2007 and 2008. He now stands accused of killing Chelsea King, 17, of Poway.

More...

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/mar/29/sex-offender-board-lacks-resources/


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Northern Rose on March 29, 2010, 11:16:50 AM
Activist says mental health clash helped free Gardner

Before convicted sex offender John Albert Gardner III was paroled in 2005, prison psychologists twice deemed him too dangerous for release but evaluators with the state Department of Mental Health disagreed both times, according to a prominent child-safety advocate.

Marc Klaas, whose daughter Polly was abducted in Petaluma and slain in 1993, said the stalemate helped Gardner avoid being placed in a mental hospital for treatment that could have kept him off the streets indefinitely.

Klaas said his information comes from Department of Mental Health employees who have seen the psychological evaluations on Gardner. His allegations raise further questions about how the state handled Gardner following his conviction in 2000 for molesting and beating a 13-year-old girl in Rancho Bernardo.

“Californians have made it very clear that public safety is a high priority, but the bureaucracy isn’t working,” Klaas said. “Dangerous people are being put back on our streets, and we are completely unaware of it.”


MORE..

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/mar/28/activist-says-mental-health-clash-helped-free/


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Northern Rose on March 29, 2010, 11:19:13 AM
REGION: Sex offenders share lack of empathy
Experts say refusal to acknowledge crime increases chance of new offense

Some are young, some are old, some are middle-aged.

They can be poor, wealthy or middle-class. Some are smart, some not so smart.

While researchers say sex offenders fit no typical profile, they share the characteristics of deviant sexual arousal, interests or preferences, according to the U.S. Department of Justice's Center for Sex Offender Management.

Those include sexual contact with young children or adolescents; sexual contact with others against their will; inflicting pain or humiliation on others; taking part in or watching violent acts; exposing themselves in public; and secretly watching others undress or engage in sexual contact.

When they commit their crimes, nearly all sex offenders are aware that what they are doing is illegal and harmful to their victim, the center says.

"Yet they engage in the behavior anyway," the center says. "What happens is that sex offenders may tell themselves that the behavior is not harmful, or that it is less serious, or claim that the victim enjoyed the behavior."

Sex offenders such as John Albert Gardner III, who refuse to take responsibility for their crimes, are more likely to commit another sex offense, according to a San Diego State University sociologist.

"With adolescents, the earlier you identify them, the more successful treatment is," said Dr. Thom Reilly, director of the university's School of Social Work. "The older someone gets, and if they are unwilling to admit their offense, the chances of treatment being successful are a lot less."

Gardner's records show he repeatedly denied committing the lewd and lascivious acts with a 13-year-old girl that resulted in a six-year prison term in 2000.

It was the girl's mother, not he, who was responsible for beating her, the then-20-year-old Gardner told authorities.

"The defendant made no mention whatsoever of feeling contrition or remorse," according to a pre-sentence report.

Denying culpability signals a likelihood to reoffend, Reilly said during an interview last week.

"With someone who refuses to acknowledge their crime or who blame others, there's a lot less chance that the behaviors will be changed," he said.

Four years after he was paroled in 2006, Gardner, 30, is charged with the Feb. 25 slaying and sexual assault of Chelsea King, 17, of Poway.

Gardner is also charged with the Dec. 27 assault on a jogger at Rancho Bernardo Community Park, the same park near where Chelsea was slain.

He has pleaded not guilty to the charges, and he remains the only named suspect in the February 2009 disappearance and murder of 14-year-old Amber Dubois of Escondido.

Lack of empathy

San Diego clinical psychologist Dr. Michael Mantell has worked with sex offenders for decades and says most share a characteristic: "These are people with tremendous deficits of empathy."

Sex offenders are almost always victims of some type of abuse when they were young.

Gardner, for example, told authorities after his arrest in 2000 that he often was beaten by his father, whom he described as an alcoholic.

"The psychology of the offender almost always includes having been offended themselves," Mantell said. "Somewhere in their life, the person has been preyed upon and hurt emotionally. I haven't seen any (sex offender) who wasn't her- or himself hurt in a physical, emotional or sexual way."

Researchers say it's those who are never treated for such abuse that pose a higher risk of becoming sex offenders later in life.

Mantell said his experience in working with sex offenders convinces him they are driven by impulse to commit their crimes.

"These people are obsessed," he said. "It's always on their minds."

From everything he has learned about Gardner, including the conclusion of the psychologist who interviewed Gardner in 2000 and determined he was a predator who represented a continuing danger, Mantell said he believes the murder suspect "has all the signs and symptoms of a multiple sex offender."

"When a psychologist says 'he cannot be rehabilitated,' you need remarkably compelling evidence to the contrary to believe the behavior will ever change," Mantell said. "These are people who, in their core belief system, think that having sex with kids is OK. It's only the ones who show genuine remorse and are really working at it who are good candidates for rehabilitation."

Someone who kills in the commission of a rape or an attempted rape, as Gardner is accused of doing, is considered a "lust murderer."

"They enjoy watching their victim suffer," Mantell said.

MORE....

http://www.nctimes.com/news/local/sdcounty/article_1e6eda8a-8735-50db-95bc-4bad80e4285a.html


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on March 29, 2010, 11:25:40 AM
Sex offender board lacks resources
Group reviewing how state handled parole short on staff, budget

The board that Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger picked to review the state’s handling of convicted sex offender John Albert Gardner III’s parole has no budget, barely any staff and a history of attendance problems.

The 17-seat Sex Offender Management Board lacks a chairman and didn’t even manage a quorum this month at the first meeting to discuss its new mission.

Two of the eight members who showed up were officials from the state Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation — the agency under scrutiny for destroying some of Gardner’s parole documents and allowing him to stay on the streets despite seven parole violations in 2007 and 2008. He now stands accused of killing Chelsea King, 17, of Poway.

More...

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/mar/29/sex-offender-board-lacks-resources/
Why am I not surprised at that  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: ChiChi on March 30, 2010, 12:06:24 AM
Snipped from Relative of Gardner's.......................

She said she was seeking the back child support because her son had been asking whether his father sent any money.

Osborn wrote to the court that if she did not pursue child support, “the messages I give to my son are: (1) He is not that important; (2) That responsibility is not that great of a commitment if you decide it’s too much or if the consequence is not that bad.”


Who in God's name would ever tell a child that you are only as important as the amount of money your father pays in child support?  Just because he didn't pay did not mean he wasn't important, I'm sorry but that is not the right thing to tell a child.  IMO she is and was looking out for number one and not her son.

Clearly this money was needed to fund the Hasher's Beer Run Fund... we all know how expensive it can be for the person who is making the B double E, double R un, Beer Run, Beer Run...


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: ArmChairAnalysist on March 30, 2010, 12:48:20 PM
I have to say one more thing and then I will stop talking about Jag's mother.

For the rest of there lives the King Family and the Dubois Family will forever be linked to John Albert Gardner and the outcome of his life. They will spend years in the courts system. Then years in the media system while television will humanize Jag (he could marry like one of the Menendez boys). They will forever have to justify why he is a monster and should remain a monster.

Why should his mother be exempt from a lifetime of explanations. She also should take some responsibility and forever be linked to John Albert Gardner. She raised a son who became a sexual predator who kills. How she lived her life had it's effects on her son.

I remember how creepy Damer's interview was on television with Stone Phillips. The relationship he had with his father was scary, but his mother's interview was even more disturbing. The first time I watched it I was to creept out to pay attention. The second time I watched it I noticed that at least his father was there for his son and trying to find out why he did what he did. Jeffery's Mother just wanted to be erased from his life. She was not a monster maker and that man in prison was not her son. She changed her name and her other son's name and erased themselves from Jeffery's life.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: klaasend on March 30, 2010, 03:04:08 PM
http://www.10news.com/news/22997287/detail.html

King's Parents, Assemblyman To Hold Forum For Chelsea's Law

POSTED: 5:00 am PDT March 30, 2010
POWAY, Calif. -- The parents of slain Poway High School senior Chelsea King and state Assemblyman Nathan Fletcher plan to host a two-hour community forum Tuesday as part of their campaign for stricter sex offender legislation.

Fletcher, R-San Diego, and the King family want to enact "Chelsea's Law," which would mandate stricter sentencing for violent sex offenders and more intensive monitoring of those who are released from prison.

Chelsea, a straight-A student, athlete and musician, went missing Feb. 25 after she went for an after-school run near Lake Hodges. Her body was discovered five days later in a shallow grave near the water's edge.

Convicted sex offender John Albert Gardner III is charged with her rape and murder. Gardner, 30, was registered as a Lake Elsinore resident but was staying with his mother in Rancho Bernardo, near where Chelsea was slain.

Gardner pleaded guilty 10 years ago to sexually assaulting a 13-year-old neighbor girl at his mother's home in Rancho Bernardo. A psychiatrist recommended Gardner receive the maximum sentenced of 30 years in prison, but the District Attorney's Office made a plea deal to spare the victim from testifying at trial. Under that deal, Gardner served five years of a six-year sentence.

Tuesday's forum is scheduled for 6:30 p.m. at Maranatha Chapel in 4S Ranch.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Tracygirl on March 30, 2010, 03:49:26 PM
I have to say one more thing and then I will stop talking about Jag's mother.

For the rest of there lives the King Family and the Dubois Family will forever be linked to John Albert Gardner and the outcome of his life. They will spend years in the courts system. Then years in the media system while television will humanize Jag (he could marry like one of the Menendez boys). They will forever have to justify why he is a monster and should remain a monster.

Why should his mother be exempt from a lifetime of explanations. She also should take some responsibility and forever be linked to John Albert Gardner. She raised a son who became a sexual predator who kills. How she lived her life had it's effects on her son.

I remember how creepy Damer's interview was on television with Stone Phillips. The relationship he had with his father was scary, but his mother's interview was even more disturbing. The first time I watched it I was to creept out to pay attention. The second time I watched it I noticed that at least his father was there for his son and trying to find out why he did what he did. Jeffery's Mother just wanted to be erased from his life. She was not a monster maker and that man in prison was not her son. She changed her name and her other son's name and erased themselves from Jeffery's life.

Good points armchair. She will be tied to him as she should.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Missiontoconvict on March 30, 2010, 04:22:19 PM
OT, Edward I have to correct you.  I have 3 children with a man I am no longer married to. He does not pay child support, has no job, lives for the most part in his trailer in another state. I have never said one bad word about him to my children. I tell my children he loves them very much and are the most important people in the world to him. They also have no idea he doesn't pay child support, that is between the adults.
Now do I believe that? No not really, he is not a great dad to them. Thank god for my husband, their step dad, but you know I love my children and want them to be healthy, whole individuals.

I have to say I can relate Tracygirl.  My ex-husband fought paying child support with all his might and it wasn't that he could not afford to pay, he makes excellent money as an airline mechanic, my divorce occurred 21 years ago.

He didn't pay for many years - I finally said ta heck with it - it was emotionally draining (not to mention financially) to keep going to court so I went on living and supporting my daughter with out it, but I never ever once said anything to her about her father's unwillingness to pay or that he did not love or care about her.  I was not about to ever speak poorly about her dad - not worth it, doing so can only backfire and cause your child to resent you and or hate you down the road for trash talking their parent.  The one thing about children is that no matter what kind of parents they may have they don't like to hear bad things about their mom or dad.  I didn't think my ex was such a great dad either but my daughter was never going to hear that coming from me.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Missiontoconvict on March 30, 2010, 04:28:29 PM
REGION: Sex offenders share lack of empathy
Experts say refusal to acknowledge crime increases chance of new offense

Some are young, some are old, some are middle-aged.

They can be poor, wealthy or middle-class. Some are smart, some not so smart.

While researchers say sex offenders fit no typical profile, they share the characteristics of deviant sexual arousal, interests or preferences, according to the U.S. Department of Justice's Center for Sex Offender Management.

Those include sexual contact with young children or adolescents; sexual contact with others against their will; inflicting pain or humiliation on others; taking part in or watching violent acts; exposing themselves in public; and secretly watching others undress or engage in sexual contact.

When they commit their crimes, nearly all sex offenders are aware that what they are doing is illegal and harmful to their victim, the center says.

"Yet they engage in the behavior anyway," the center says. "What happens is that sex offenders may tell themselves that the behavior is not harmful, or that it is less serious, or claim that the victim enjoyed the behavior."

Sex offenders such as John Albert Gardner III, who refuse to take responsibility for their crimes, are more likely to commit another sex offense, according to a San Diego State University sociologist.

"With adolescents, the earlier you identify them, the more successful treatment is," said Dr. Thom Reilly, director of the university's School of Social Work. "The older someone gets, and if they are unwilling to admit their offense, the chances of treatment being successful are a lot less."

Gardner's records show he repeatedly denied committing the lewd and lascivious acts with a 13-year-old girl that resulted in a six-year prison term in 2000.

It was the girl's mother, not he, who was responsible for beating her, the then-20-year-old Gardner told authorities.

"The defendant made no mention whatsoever of feeling contrition or remorse," according to a pre-sentence report.

Denying culpability signals a likelihood to reoffend, Reilly said during an interview last week.

"With someone who refuses to acknowledge their crime or who blame others, there's a lot less chance that the behaviors will be changed," he said.

Four years after he was paroled in 2006, Gardner, 30, is charged with the Feb. 25 slaying and sexual assault of Chelsea King, 17, of Poway.

Gardner is also charged with the Dec. 27 assault on a jogger at Rancho Bernardo Community Park, the same park near where Chelsea was slain.

He has pleaded not guilty to the charges, and he remains the only named suspect in the February 2009 disappearance and murder of 14-year-old Amber Dubois of Escondido.

Lack of empathy

San Diego clinical psychologist Dr. Michael Mantell has worked with sex offenders for decades and says most share a characteristic: "These are people with tremendous deficits of empathy."

Sex offenders are almost always victims of some type of abuse when they were young.

Gardner, for example, told authorities after his arrest in 2000 that he often was beaten by his father, whom he described as an alcoholic.

"The psychology of the offender almost always includes having been offended themselves," Mantell said. "Somewhere in their life, the person has been preyed upon and hurt emotionally. I haven't seen any (sex offender) who wasn't her- or himself hurt in a physical, emotional or sexual way."


Researchers say it's those who are never treated for such abuse that pose a higher risk of becoming sex offenders later in life.

Mantell said his experience in working with sex offenders convinces him they are driven by impulse to commit their crimes.

"These people are obsessed," he said. "It's always on their minds."

From everything he has learned about Gardner, including the conclusion of the psychologist who interviewed Gardner in 2000 and determined he was a predator who represented a continuing danger, Mantell said he believes the murder suspect "has all the signs and symptoms of a multiple sex offender."

"When a psychologist says 'he cannot be rehabilitated,' you need remarkably compelling evidence to the contrary to believe the behavior will ever change," Mantell said. "These are people who, in their core belief system, think that having sex with kids is OK. It's only the ones who show genuine remorse and are really working at it who are good candidates for rehabilitation."

Someone who kills in the commission of a rape or an attempted rape, as Gardner is accused of doing, is considered a "lust murderer."

"They enjoy watching their victim suffer," Mantell said.

MORE....

http://www.nctimes.com/news/local/sdcounty/article_1e6eda8a-8735-50db-95bc-4bad80e4285a.html
And where was his mother?  She had to know about this abuse, it is laughable that she is treating patients in a mental health ward at a hospital and she didn't realize her own son would be emotionally scarred and need some help dealing with the demons that were cast upon him.  I say Cathy Osborn does have blood on her hands - she either had to much pride or she just plain and simply turned a blind eye.  I hope she deals with this he!! for the rest of her life just like the King's and the Dubois will


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Missiontoconvict on March 30, 2010, 04:31:34 PM
Snipped from Relative of Gardner's.......................

She said she was seeking the back child support because her son had been asking whether his father sent any money.

Osborn wrote to the court that if she did not pursue child support, “the messages I give to my son are: (1) He is not that important; (2) That responsibility is not that great of a commitment if you decide it’s too much or if the consequence is not that bad.”


Who in God's name would ever tell a child that you are only as important as the amount of money your father pays in child support?  Just because he didn't pay did not mean he wasn't important, I'm sorry but that is not the right thing to tell a child.  IMO she is and was looking out for number one and not her son.

Clearly this money was needed to fund the Hasher's Beer Run Fund... we all know how expensive it can be for the person who is making the B double E, double R un, Beer Run, Beer Run...
Ahhh George and Garth, yes good song.  I believe you are right she was far more concerned about herself and her extra curricular activities at the weekend Hashes than she was of the safety of others including her son.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Missiontoconvict on March 30, 2010, 04:34:45 PM
I have to say one more thing and then I will stop talking about Jag's mother.

For the rest of there lives the King Family and the Dubois Family will forever be linked to John Albert Gardner and the outcome of his life. They will spend years in the courts system. Then years in the media system while television will humanize Jag (he could marry like one of the Menendez boys). They will forever have to justify why he is a monster and should remain a monster.

Why should his mother be exempt from a lifetime of explanations. She also should take some responsibility and forever be linked to John Albert Gardner. She raised a son who became a sexual predator who kills. How she lived her life had it's effects on her son.

I remember how creepy Damer's interview was on television with Stone Phillips. The relationship he had with his father was scary, but his mother's interview was even more disturbing. The first time I watched it I was to creept out to pay attention. The second time I watched it I noticed that at least his father was there for his son and trying to find out why he did what he did. Jeffery's Mother just wanted to be erased from his life. She was not a monster maker and that man in prison was not her son. She changed her name and her other son's name and erased themselves from Jeffery's life.
I completely agree that how she lived her life had it's effects on JAGS life - similar to Jarred Harrell and his mother's strange lifestyle, I think these 2 cases may be worth studying as far as how these boys were raised.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: klaasend on March 31, 2010, 11:33:26 AM
http://www.10news.com/news/23008975/detail.html

King Family Campaigns For Tougher Sex Offender Laws

POSTED: 9:59 pm PDT March 30, 2010
UPDATED: 10:56 pm PDT March 30, 2010

SAN DIEGO -- The parents of slain Poway High School senior Chelsea King joined Assemblyman Nathan Fletcher tonight to host a community forum as part of their campaign for stricter sex offender legislation.

The meeting at Maranatha Chapel in 4S Ranch began with a prayer, then a 10-minute video presentation that showed Chelsea growing from a baby into a piano- and French horn-playing youngster to a pretty teenager having lighthearted fun with friends, mugging for the camera and enjoying family outings.

Following the video, Chelsea's parents, Brent and Kelly King, took the stage, and the father explained the purpose of the nonprofit Chelsea's' Light Foundation, which they created following their daughter's murder.

"Everyone of us in this audience has a voice," Brent King said. "Moms have a voice; dads have a voice; grandparents have a voice; men have a voice; women have a voice. A voice gives us power. The only ones who don't have this power are children. That's what Chelsea's Light is about. We will bring a voice to our children."

Fletcher, R-San Diego, and the King family want to enact "Chelsea's Law," which would mandate stricter sentencing for violent sex offenders and more intensive monitoring of those who are released from prison.

Chelsea, a straight-A student, athlete and musician, went missing Feb. 25 after going for an after-school run near Lake Hodges. Her body was discovered five days later in a shallow grave near the water's edge.

Convicted sex offender John Albert Gardner III is charged with sexually assaulting and murdering the teen. Gardner, 30, was registered as a Lake Elsinore resident but was staying with his mother in Rancho Bernardo, near where Chelsea was slain.

Gardner pleaded guilty 10 years ago to sexually assaulting a 13-year-old neighbor girl at his mother's home in Rancho Bernardo.

A psychiatrist recommended Gardner receive the maximum sentenced of 30 years in prison, but the District Attorney's Office made a plea deal to spare the victim from testifying at trial. Under that deal, Gardner served five years of a six-year sentence.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: klaasend on April 01, 2010, 12:48:49 AM
http://www.10news.com/news/23019724/detail.html

Lawmakers Review State Parole System Failures

POSTED: 6:05 pm PDT March 31, 2010
UPDATED: 7:47 pm PDT March 31, 2010

POWAY, Calif. -- Members of a state Assembly committee were in Poway Wednesday to review the systemic problems that might have led to the release of a man accused in the death of a 17-year-old high school student.

High-ranking members of the state's parole board system were questioned by several state lawmakers about its failures in the Chelsea King and Jaycee Dugard cases. The meeting's aim was to make sure that a proposed "Chelsea's Law" would be effective at better monitoring violent sex offenders.

Committee members questioned three officials from the state Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation on Wednesday.

Corrections undersecretary of operations Scott Kernan said the state has only 2,200 parole agents who monitor 110,000 parolees, including about 7,400 sex offenders.

Kernan said reforms, technology and treatment won't "stop monsters from preying on our children completely."

Sex offender John Gardner is charged with murdering Chelsea King. He served five years in prison for molestation. Seven parole violations could have put him back in prison, but the state did not press any of them.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: klaasend on April 01, 2010, 11:32:59 AM
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/mar/31/gardner-had-myspace-page/

Gardner had MySpace page despite parole rule
Accused killer's terms of release banned use of the Internet


By Jeff McDonald, UNION-TRIBUNE STAFF WRITER

Originally published March 31, 2010 at 6:18 p.m., updated March 31, 2010 at 8:44 p.m.

In a 2007 addendum to the release conditions for John Albert Gardner III related to computer use, Gardner initialed both conditions. He opened a MySpace account three months later. (Click image above to see a larger version.)


His screen name was Jason the Stud, and he called himself the Energizer Bunny. He used sexually charged language when describing his interests. He listed his hometown as the Playboy Mansion and he called love “one big ugly compromise of two people pretending not to know what the other is doing.”

John Albert Gardner III, the convicted sex offender now accused of raping and killing Poway teenager Chelsea King, opened a MySpace page in December 2007 — even though according to terms of his parole he was not allowed anywhere near a computer.

(snipped)
(http://media.signonsandiego.com/img/photos/2010/03/31/JAGpage_t600.JPG)

Of course, we knew that  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: labubske on April 01, 2010, 11:47:41 AM
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/mar/31/gardner-had-myspace-page/

Gardner had MySpace page despite parole rule
Accused killer's terms of release banned use of the Internet


By Jeff McDonald, UNION-TRIBUNE STAFF WRITER

Originally published March 31, 2010 at 6:18 p.m., updated March 31, 2010 at 8:44 p.m.

In a 2007 addendum to the release conditions for John Albert Gardner III related to computer use, Gardner initialed both conditions. He opened a MySpace account three months later. (Click image above to see a larger version.)


His screen name was Jason the Stud, and he called himself the Energizer Bunny. He used sexually charged language when describing his interests. He listed his hometown as the Playboy Mansion and he called love “one big ugly compromise of two people pretending not to know what the other is doing.”

John Albert Gardner III, the convicted sex offender now accused of raping and killing Poway teenager Chelsea King, opened a MySpace page in December 2007 — even though according to terms of his parole he was not allowed anywhere near a computer.

(snipped)
(http://media.signonsandiego.com/img/photos/2010/03/31/JAGpage_t600.JPG)

Of course, we knew that  ::MonkeyCool::

I knew that was him.  I wish that they would publish his status updates.  Since we can only see one of them. 


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: piwannaberookie on April 01, 2010, 05:18:03 PM
he was not allowed near a computer??? what the heck, now they are finding out this! I wonder how many millions of sex offenders are using computers when they aren't supposed to! It is not that hard to bust them, now is the time to take charge...


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: labubske on April 01, 2010, 07:44:34 PM
he was not allowed near a computer??? what the heck, now they are finding out this! I wonder how many millions of sex offenders are using computers when they aren't supposed to! It is not that hard to bust them, now is the time to take charge...

I would like to know if this is for every sex offender or if an internet clause is placed on one's at a certain level.  Shoot, we would go and find them on here quick...but, that wouldn't matter if the system doesn't work...if, they don't give consequences when the offenders break the law.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: piwannaberookie on April 01, 2010, 07:59:18 PM
yeah i guess the article it was under gardner's terms of parole for 2007 that he couldn't be near a computer or use one etc.., you're right labubske he probably wouldn't have gotten in trouble, I wish that a citation could stop some peoplle who commit crimes from committing more crimes but that doesn't happen at all. Some people just get used to getting in trouble such as Gardner, and getting a citation or being arrested is just like a walk in the park. I'm not going to track sex offenders on the internet, I've tried tracking down that hemet sexual assault suspect to get the $10,000 reward by comparing pics of the suspect composite to other SO's in different counties, and so far it's not that easy, but it would be interesting to have a job just tracking down sex offenders violating their parole on the internet, it's probably harassment though right! I wouldn't want to be sued or go to jail for that, that's for sure..


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: piwannaberookie on April 01, 2010, 08:19:30 PM
klaasend thanks for posting the article, so the myspace is officially jag's, so much for the gag order. Just how much more is there to know about John Gardner?


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: labubske on April 01, 2010, 09:03:26 PM
yeah i guess the article it was under gardner's terms of parole for 2007 that he couldn't be near a computer or use one etc.., you're right labubske he probably wouldn't have gotten in trouble, I wish that a citation could stop some peoplle who commit crimes from committing more crimes but that doesn't happen at all. Some people just get used to getting in trouble such as Gardner, and getting a citation or being arrested is just like a walk in the park. I'm not going to track sex offenders on the internet, I've tried tracking down that hemet sexual assault suspect to get the $10,000 reward by comparing pics of the suspect composite to other SO's in different counties, and so far it's not that easy, but it would be interesting to have a job just tracking down sex offenders violating their parole on the internet, it's probably harassment though right! I wouldn't want to be sued or go to jail for that, that's for sure..

Oh, I know...I tried going through the California Sex Offenders in the San Diego area...and wow...there are SO MANY.  I was trying to match the description of the hispanic man that is attempting to abduct children in that area...everyone started looking alike after so many pages.  I don't think that a law would be broken if you are tracking people down...and if you happen to see them breaking the law...report it...now, if you were stalking them...calling them...following them...threatening them...and so on...well, maybe then.  But, I don't believe that a sexual predator should have rights.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Nut44x4 on April 02, 2010, 06:22:01 AM
SoCal child predator's MySpace link probed
By ELLIOT SPAGAT, Associated Press Writer

Friday, April 2, 2010 at 2:22 a.m.

SAN DIEGO — California corrections officials are investigating whether a registered sex offender who is charged with murdering a 17-year-old girl had an account on the social networking site MySpace while he was on parole for a molestation conviction.

The account would violate terms of John Albert Gardner III's parole, which prohibited him from using a computer to connect to the Internet or communicate with others.

MySpace said the account was set up on Dec. 22, 2007, more than nine months before Gardner ended parole on a conviction in 2000 for molesting a 13-year-old neighbor. It removed the profile Wednesday night.

A copy of the profile obtained by The Associated Press uses the names Jason Stud and Energizer Bunny. It uses sexually explicit language to describe his interests, names Playboy Mansion as his hometown and lists "CSI" and "Bones" among his favorite television shows.
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http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/apr/02/socal-child-predators-myspace-link-probed/


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Northern Rose on April 02, 2010, 11:13:30 AM
MySpace Removes Link To Calif. Child Sex Predator

The social networking site MySpace says it removed the profile of John Albert Gardner III, a convicted child molester who is charged with killing a 17-year-old San Diego area girl.

The company said Thursday that Gardner used a false name, false hometown and false birthday to register for the account. MySpace confirmed it was his site by working with the FBI and San Diego County Sheriff's Department.

A copy of the profile uses the names Jason Stud and Energizer Bunny. It lists Playboy Mansion as his hometown, uses sexually explicit language to describe his interests, and lists "CSI" and "Bones" among his favorite television shows.

MySpace says Gardner set up the account in December 2007, nine months before he ended parole.

http://www.kpsplocal2.com/Content/Headlines/story/john-albert-gardner-john-gardner-chelsea-king-m/H7cG2HsbXUmVZd5k5R38Bw.cspx


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Northern Rose on April 02, 2010, 11:15:06 AM
Looking For Boogeymen Under Every Bed...

"Homie--Comin at ya! Ya know I'm gonna get ya!" --Rage Against The Machine, from "I Could Just Kill A Man."

The recent example of John Gardner's illegal "MySpace" account should warn anyone that before you meet somebody you met on a web-service site--think twice!

It is also another reason that the "unlicensed" board-and-care system either needs to be overhauled, or scrapped entirely. Having lived in two of them, I can tell you that both the management and your fellow residents are what make-or-break a group-living home.

Unless you screen the potential residents (background checks, medical history) carefully, rancid apples like Gardner are going to be put into that home. To that end, I suggest that the Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation open-and-staff their own houses, rather than dumping their charges into a place which, rightly, should be reserved for those who wish to get their lives together--and do it sober and clean. Or, worse yet, in places where the population is mostly mid-to-high functioning mentally ill.

This is why when a "sober living home" or a "independent living facility" is proposed for a neighborhood, you have folks looking for boogeymen under every bed, along with a squadron of NIMBYs ready to swarm the planning board meetings to try to sting the project to death.

Nobody wants another John Gardner living anywhere near them. And even though it will be very unlikely that Mr. Gardner will face the executioner (David Westerfield is ahead of him, among others), it will not be likely that he will ever breathe free air ever again.

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http://www.sandiegoreader.com/weblogs/vista-blues/2010/apr/01/looking-for-boogeymen-under-every-bed/


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Northern Rose on April 02, 2010, 11:16:32 AM
Tracking Chelsea’s Law

In Anaheim, California inside a white house with avocado green trim with palm trees out front, live 6 registered sex offenders. In this neighborhood alone, more than 14 are registered all told and needless to say, those who live here are non too happy about it and have held large community meetings expressing their outrage. These same people are also strongly supporting new legislation in California named for murdered San Diego area teenager Chelsea King.

If passed, Chelsea's Law would require life prison sentences for violent child predators and lifetime GPS monitoring for less serious offenders. Chelsea King's father says, "If our laws were smarter and bolder, Chelsea might still be here..." and he has vowed to protect children in the name of his murdered daughter. Kelly King, Chelsea's mother adds, "I promise to do all I can to protect other daughters and other mothers from this incomprehensible nightmare I am walking through."

Republican Assemblyman Nathan Fletcher says he will introduce the bill and thinks its passage is imperative because it would improve on the existing laws, plus explore the use of new and better technologies. Some argue we already have enough laws on the books, some not as effective as you might think. Consider right now we have Amber Alerts, Jessica's Law, Megan's Law and the Adam Walsh Act...all statutes named for young victim's of violent crime.

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http://liveshots.blogs.foxnews.com/2010/04/01/tracking-chelseas-law/?test=latestnews


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Northern Rose on April 02, 2010, 11:18:09 AM
Accused rapist/killer John Gardner III reportedly hid MySpace page

Registered sex offender John Albert Gardner III, the man charged in the death of Poway teen Chelsea King, allegedly hid a MySpace page from state prison officials while under their supervision, it was reported today.

The page was opened in December 2007 when the terms of Gardner’s parole forbade him from being anywhere near a computer, The San Diego Union-Tribune reported. According to the newspaper, an email address links the page to an Escondido address where Gardner was living at the time.

On his page, Gardner used the screen name “Jason the Stud” and called himself the Energizer Bunny, according to the newspaper. He also reportedly used sexually charged language when describing his interests, and listed his hometown as the Playboy Mansion.

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http://www.sdnn.com/sandiego/2010-04-01/local-county-news/accused-rapistkiller-john-gardner-iii-reportedly-hid-myspace-page


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Northern Rose on April 02, 2010, 11:19:31 AM
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Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Nut44x4 on April 02, 2010, 01:25:47 PM
And just how do they think that a 'no computer/internet contact rule' for a RSO on parole can possibly be enforced??? They don't even know where they are 1/2 the time, let alone what they have in their homes. What about internet cafes and libraries?? It is too easy for the offenders to use a computer there even if they do not have one at home. It is a rule that cannot possibly be enforced.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Nut44x4 on April 02, 2010, 01:26:19 PM
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Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Tracygirl on April 02, 2010, 04:22:43 PM
And just how do they think that a 'no computer/internet contact rule' for a RSO on parole can possibly be enforced??? They don't even know where they are 1/2 the time, let alone what they have in their homes. What about internet cafes and libraries?? It is too easy for the offenders to use a computer there even if they do not have one at home. It is a rule that cannot possibly be enforced.

There isn't a way to monitor this. I think it is one of the many "rules" that are in place to make the public feel safe but LE could never follow through with.
I have to say, given everything we have learned about the lack of supervision he had, it makes me ever more convinced they need to keep these people in prison for life. There in no way to ensure the public will be safe.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Missiontoconvict on April 02, 2010, 09:43:58 PM
And just how do they think that a 'no computer/internet contact rule' for a RSO on parole can possibly be enforced??? They don't even know where they are 1/2 the time, let alone what they have in their homes. What about internet cafes and libraries?? It is too easy for the offenders to use a computer there even if they do not have one at home. It is a rule that cannot possibly be enforced.

There isn't a way to monitor this. I think it is one of the many "rules" that are in place to make the public feel safe but LE could never follow through with.
I have to say, given everything we have learned about the lack of supervision he had, it makes me ever more convinced they need to keep these people in prison for life. There in no way to ensure the public will be safe.
Yep.......if they are dangerous enough to be monitored then they are dangerous enough to be locked up forever.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: piwannaberookie on April 03, 2010, 12:06:14 AM
I don't think all sex offenders are dangerous but a lot are, there should be more scientific experiments done on them, just like they do on lab rats to check their brain out, there is some kind of chemical imbalance in their brain maybe that is why they are not thinking enoughabout their actions/feelings/reactions, if that makes any sense at all, they have a disease so shouldn't they be treated as such? Maybe the more serious ones should be locked up in a mental asylum, something that didn't happen to Gardner, however for the criminal part, that is why they have parole officers so they can make a pre-sentencing report (PST) which contains the history of the offender, crimes, behaviors, characteristics, tendency to violence..., but when I took a corrections class last year I remember the teacher said there is only 1 parole officer per 1,000 offenders/criminals and PST's are important in handling an offender's terms of parole is part of what I remembered in class. I agree with Nut, some are so dangerous they need to be locked up forever, the problem with that is who is going to pay. Parents pay for their minor children who are in juvenile hall, some parents bail their adult children in jail, some parents even pay for their adult children's court payments or fines. I wonder if scientists could get involved and together with religious, or lay persons combined would help, maybe money wouldn't be a problem after all, maybe there could be a nonprofit organization to fund this, I don't think relying on cops and correctional officers is the way to go in the long run but useful for crime prevention, but it has been done I remember in the movie "Dead Man Walking", maybe if they can make at least one hardened sex offender remorseful for his/her actions, maybe that could be a start, who knows for sure.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: piwannaberookie on April 03, 2010, 12:34:10 AM
 the death penalty is another alternative, although that is more expensive. ACLU would have a problem with it as well as the Pope and the Catholic Church. LWOP (life without parole) is cheaper and doesn't give criminals an easy way out like that Sister Helen Prejean said. Arnold Schwarzenegger should listen to Susan Sarandon on the death penalty. Or maybe the families of the victim's should be able to help make that decision, that is to keep  the criminal(s) in jail/prison longer, Gardner's victim in 2000 was not notified that he had been released from prison, maybe there should be more communication about this... victim's especially that young of an age should not be expected to keep an eye out on someone who attacked them and go through all that just to keep a bigger eye on a offender.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Northern Rose on April 08, 2010, 09:44:50 AM
More Gardner parole issues found
Sex offender lived near school longer than previously known

Convicted sex offender John Albert Gardner III lived for just under two years in a Mira Mesa apartment complex, 700 yards from Walker Elementary School.

That’s seven months longer than previously known — a timeline now acknowledged by state parole officials, though not apparent from incomplete records previously released. Gardner’s special conditions of parole barred him from living within 880 yards of such a school.

A review by The San Diego Union-Tribune shows the violation was apparently unrecognized for seven months, excused for three more, then ignored or forgotten for 13 more — until a new parole agent took over Gardner’s supervision.

While on parole, records show, Gardner committed seven violations that could have been used to send him back to prison and subjected him to tougher post-release monitoring under Jessica’s Law, which passed in 2006. The most serious was the residency issue.

Parole official Margarita Perez was asked about it at a legislative hearing in Poway last week.

“It’s important to understand he was approximately 2,100 feet away,” Perez said. “It’s not like he was across the street.”

Still, the distance was too close for Martha Mattson, a parent who says so many children cluster on city streets near Miramar College, Wangenheim Middle School and Walker Elementary that it’s a predator’s paradise.

“That they allowed him to be there is just unbelievable,” said Mattson, whose sons, now grown, went to the area’s public schools. “It seems unconscionable that he was there, steps away from vulnerable girls.”

Gardner, 30, who has pleaded not guilty in the Chelsea case, is also a focus of an investigation into the slaying of Amber Dubois, 14, of Escondido.

He was released from prison Sept. 26, 2005, and lived first at the scene of his 2000 assault, his mother’s townhouse in Rancho Bernardo. It was 437 feet from Westwood Elementary School, a parole violation that his agent did not let stand.

After 11 days, he moved into the Mira Monte apartments on Maya Linda Road. It’s unclear whether he moved with approval — and housing assistance — from parole officials. A public records request with the agency is pending.

Parole records released so far show a district administrator gave him approval in May 2006 to remain in his apartment for three more months until his lease expired, but he stayed 16 more.

Riverside County parole agent Tifani LaDuke said it was not uncommon at the time for an administrator to use discretion because state law on sex offender residency was undergoing a series of changes.

Ryken Grattet, a sociology professor at University of California Davis who has studied state parole violations, said sex offender residency issues aren’t as simple as the public might expect.

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http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/apr/08/more-gardner-parole-issues-found/


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Northern Rose on April 08, 2010, 09:45:44 AM
GARDNER TIMELINE

May 31, 2000:Pleaded guilty to molesting and beating a 13-year-old girl in Rancho Bernardo.

Sept. 26, 2005: Released from prison.

Oct. 7, 2005: Moved to Mira Mesa apartment

after a parole agent said he was living too close to an elementary school near his mother’s townhouse in Rancho Bernardo.

May 2, 2006: Received district administrator approval to stay in Mira Mesa until Aug. 1, 2006, end of lease.

Aug. 1, 2006: Date of lease renewal passes without action.

Aug. 24, 2007: Status report notes that he has “maintained a stable residence” and is clear of violations.

Aug. 30, 2007: Received a new parole agent.

Sept. 6, 2007: Discovered by agent to be out of compliance with state law and department policy related to sex offender residency restrictions.

Sept. 13, 2007: Informed he must move within three days and given $250 to assist with placement.

Sept. 15, 2007: Moved to TLM Sober Living in Vista.

May 20, 2008: Wrote on his MySpace page, “I’m poor, homeless and living in my truck.”

March 3, 2010:Pleads not guilty in the slaying of Chelsea King, 17, of Poway.

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/apr/08/more-gardner-parole-issues-found/


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Northern Rose on April 08, 2010, 10:05:07 AM
New Sex Offender Notification Program Approved

Riverside County residents will soon have a new high-tech way to track sex offenders who move into their neighborhoods.

Currently, people can track registered offenders via the Megan's Law website, but the Riverside County Board of Supervisors approved Tuesday a new way to alert residents when offenders relocate via a County website and notification system.

Supervisor Jeff Stone and District Attorney Rod Pacheco sponsored the S.P.I.R.I.T program-- which stands for sexual predator identification in Riverside County via internet tracking.

"The program is a proactive approach to monitoring sex offenders in Riverside County through a new mapping and tracking system, viewable by the general public, via the District Attorney's Web site," said D.A. spokesman Ryan Hightower.

The main purpose of the program is to let people know when a sex offender moves into a new neighborhood through the D.A.'s website-- while also utilizing both e-mail and traditional mail notifications.

"This program will give Riverside County an additional tool to more closely monitor and track the whereabouts of all sexual registrants located within the county. The loss of even one person to the appetite of these sexual perverts is unacceptable," Supervisor Jeff Stone said. "By this action and the good work of some of the county's public safety agencies such as the District Attorney, Probation, Sheriff, County Counsel, and the Board of Supervisors, the safety of the county's residents will be further protected."

Stone said the County has already done a lot to track sex offenders and make sure they're complying with the law. He said 95% of offenders living in Riverside County are in compliance with state laws-- the other 5% are dead, homeless, or living in other states.

The supervisor added that in light of the recent tragic deaths of Chelsea King and Amber Dubois in the San Diego area, "we can always do more" to protect the public. A convicted child molester, John Gardner, has been charged with killing Chelsea King.

The D.A.'s office tells KPSP Local 2 that this new program will be up and running within the next several weeks.

http://www.kpsplocal2.com/Content/Top-Stories/story/New-Sex-Offender-Notification-Program-Approved/0Ll5_FLFsUyvuFB2zIxiTg.cspx


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Bearlyhere on April 08, 2010, 12:09:17 PM
the death penalty is another alternative, although that is more expensive. ACLU would have a problem with it as well as the Pope and the Catholic Church. LWOP (life without parole) is cheaper and doesn't give criminals an easy way out like that Sister Helen Prejean said. Arnold Schwarzenegger should listen to Susan Sarandon on the death penalty. Or maybe the families of the victim's should be able to help make that decision, that is to keep  the criminal(s) in jail/prison longer, Gardner's victim in 2000 was not notified that he had been released from prison, maybe there should be more communication about this... victim's especially that young of an age should not be expected to keep an eye out on someone who attacked them and go through all that just to keep a bigger eye on a offender.

I like the way you think.  I don't agree with the DP part, though.  You see what happens when it is introduced, you get sympathizers and suddenly the perp has too much defense (like CA).  I personally don't think the DP is the answer, and I see what happens when it is introduced, lawyers come out of the woodwork to defend them.  This is not fair to the victims of the crime, they are not afforded the same legal team.  I have never seen where good lawyers offer to help the victim out.





Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Bearlyhere on April 08, 2010, 12:18:04 PM


I do understand that JAG was an adult and therefore should monitor himself.  How is the fact that anyone he lived with is not responsible also, we blame Aja's step-father's relatives for not reporting him to authorities, how is this any different?  The results were the same, an innocent life was taken.  In JAG's case, more than one innocent life was taken and others suffered at his hands.  The fact that he was a RSO was known by those he lived with.



Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: piwannaberookie on April 08, 2010, 01:05:25 PM
I find that to be true too, Bearlyhere--the death penalty gives more focus on the defendant even more so than when the victim when he/she was victimized, and in the end the families of the victim are the ones who bear the memory of the whole situation not the defendant. It's not like the ACLU was there when the victim was victimized, if that makes sense, but the ACLU is there when the defendant is given the penalty to die.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: klaasend on April 12, 2010, 08:19:00 PM
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/apr/12/kelly-king-cant-keep-happening-over-and-over-again/

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Kelly King: 'This can’t keep happening over and over again'
Family comes to Sacramento to fight for Chelsea's Law


By Michael Gardner, U-T SACRAMENTO BUREAU

Monday, April 12, 2010 at 4:48 p.m.

SACRAMENTO — Aware of the challenge but committed to their cause, Kelly and Brent King vow to pursue “Chelsea’s Law” every step of the legislative process.

And if that means taking it all the way to the ballot box, so be it.

“We have to — for Chelsea,” Brent King said.

In an interview after unveiling Chelsea’s Law in collaboration with Assemblyman Nathan Fletcher, R-San Diego, the Kings talked about how they plan to win over potentially skeptical lawmakers unsure of the cost and unconvinced of the need to adopt new laws.

Tuesday they will try to sway influential Assemblyman Tom Ammiano, D-San Francisco, who chairs the Assembly Public Safety Committee.

Chelsea’s Law faces its first test before his panel on April 20.

“We want him to have a very clear understanding of the focused position we’ve taken that sexually violent predators are incurable and shouldn’t be in our communities,” Brent King said.

Their biggest hurdle may be finances, given the state’s deep budget crisis.

“There’s no price you can put on a child’s life,” Kelly King said.

Their child, Poway teenager Chelsea King, was raped and killed after going for a run at Rancho Bernardo Community Park on Feb. 25. Convicted sex offender John Albert Gardner III, 31, pleaded not guilty on March 3.

Chelsea’s Law would increase penalties for sexual predators who attack children, including life sentences for the worst crimes and a ban on entering parks where children gather without prior permission of authorities. There would also be lifetime parole for those predators, which would include having the state manage and pay for lifetime GPS tracking.

“The more we know about the movement of those sexually violent predators the safer our society becomes,” Brent King said.

He said they have consulted with experts and advisers and are confident the crackdown would work — given a chance.

“If we didn’t think it would work we wouldn’t be sitting here wasting our time. This will work and it needs an opportunity to pass,” Brent King said.

“We have been waiting for this day since we began this process,” Kelly King added. “It’s important for Brent and I to let people know this can’t keep happening over and over again.”

Both said they plan to stick with the fight and if the legislation fails in Sacramento they will champion a ballot initiative, such as the 2006 initiative Jessica’s Law.

Reminded that it takes a lot to commit to a statewide campaign, Brent King said, “We have a lot. We have a lot of support. We have a lot of focus.”

Interjected Kelly King: “We’re Chelsea’s parents.”

There will be a rally Tuesday morning with supporters of the King family. The Capitol will be lined with a thousand sunflowers, Chelsea’s favorite bloom.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Nut44x4 on April 15, 2010, 06:14:33 PM

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Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Northern Rose on April 16, 2010, 12:58:17 AM
Status hearing for John Gardner scheduled for Friday

A status hearing is scheduled Friday afternoon for a sex offender charged with raping and killing a 17-year-old Poway High School senior. Court officials declined comment on the focus of the status conference for John Albert Gardner III, 31.

He was charged last month with sexually assaulting and murdering Chelsea King, who disappeared after going for a run Feb. 25 at Rancho Bernardo Community Park.

The avid runner and straight-A student's body was discovered five days later in a shallow grave near a tributary of nearby Lake Hodges.

Gardner is also charged with sexually assaulting a woman in the same park last Dec. 27.

The defendant was sentenced to six years in prison in 2000 after pleading guilty to molesting a 13-year-old girl in the same area.

At the time of Gardner's arrest, authorities said he was a focus of the investigation into the apparent murder of 14-year-old Amber Dubois, whose skeletal remains were found last month in Pala.

The Escondido High School freshman vanished while walking to campus in February 2009.

Gardner could face the death penalty if convicted of King's murder. A preliminary hearing is scheduled Aug. 4.

http://www.delmartimes.net/news/268451-status-hearing-for-john-gardner-scheduled-for-friday


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Northern Rose on April 16, 2010, 01:02:02 AM
Details of search warrants for John Gardner's home

News 8 is learning more about what FBI agents found in the home of John Gardner just days after Chelsea King was murdered. Search warrants show agents were looking for digging tools, rope and blood stained clothing.

When the FBI serves a search warrant on a home, agents are required by law to give the homeowner a list of the items they take. That's exactly happened at the Lake Elsinore home of John Gardner.

FBI agents have searched the Lake Elsinore home of Gardner at least two times, looking for evidence that might link him to the murders of Poway high senior Chelsea King and Escondido teenager Amber Dubois.

A search warrant, given to Los Angeles radio station KFI by a relative of Gardner, shows what agents were hoping to find: digging tools, rope, zip ties, handcuffs, blood stained clothing and human hairs.

A hand written evidence list shows exactly what agents took from the home: three pick axes, 11 shovels, five pairs of blue jeans a pair of Reebok tennis shoes and a white, Hard Rock Cafe T-shirt.

The records show agents were specifically looking for that Hard Rock T-shirt, suggesting they may have a witness who saw Gardner wearing it.


A Lake Elsinore neighbor remembers the home being searched.

"There was a couple vans parked on the street. They showed us a picture and said they were FBI agents," said one neighbor.

Gardner's relative told News 8 that agents searched the Lake Elsinore home on February 28, two days before Chelsea's body was found by Lake Hodge and again on March 9 - right after the body of Amber Dubois was found near Pala.

The relative spoke on the radio about the search:

"I'm sitting in a room with FBI agents and the FBI was telling me what happened."

Other documents turned over, include an undated letter written by Gardner to his ex-girlfriend Jariah Baker:

"I am not a good person to be around at this moment."

Gardner also wrote:

"I'll just ruin your life... I'm too depressed to do much of anything anymore."

"I only can relate to crazy people in a conversation because it seems theirs is the only one w/ correct decisions."

Other records obtained by KFI Radio show Gardner and his girlfriend were having severe financial problems. The couple had missed rent payments at their Escondido apartment, right before Chelsea King was murdered.

The records also include a letter Gardner wrote to his mother while he was in prison. In the letter, Gardner talks about his legal problems, and he closes by writing "I love you" to his mom.

http://www.cbs8.com/Global/story.asp?S=12321252


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Northern Rose on April 16, 2010, 01:04:14 AM
REGION: Gardner case unexpectedly back in court Friday

The case facing accused murderer John Albert Gardner III will be in court Friday afternoon, but officials are mum about why hearing has been scheduled.

Gardner's case has a status conference set for 2 p.m., according the Web site of the San Diego Superior Court, and will be in the same downtown courtroom where he was arraigned March 3 in the slaying of Poway teenager Chelsea King.

It is unclear if Gardner will attend the hearing.

The San Diego County Sheriff's Web site on Thurdsay afternoon also listed Gardner as scheduled to be in the courtroom Friday afternoon. The web site, however, was later changed to say Gardner's next court appearance is August.

The hearing set for Friday comes as a surprise. Gardner, who is in jail, was not due back in court until Aug. 4, for a preliminary hearing, a key pretrial proceeding.

Details about the case against Gardner have remained closely held by officials. Superior Court Judge David Danielsen issued a gag order in March barring prosecutors, defense attorneys and their agents and representatives from discussing the case.

Gardner was arrested Feb. 28 in connection with the killing and possible rape of Chelsea King, 17, who disappeared Feb. 25 while running near Lake Hodges.

Her body was found in a shallow grave near a lake tributary March 2.

Gardner, 31, also is charged with attacking a female jogger at the same park in December, and is a suspect in the February 2009 disappearance and death of Amber Dubois, a 14-year-old Escondido girl whose remains were found in Pala on March 6.

http://www.nctimes.com/news/local/sdcounty/article_56bb1cc4-48f7-11df-b38a-001cc4c002e0.html


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Northern Rose on April 16, 2010, 01:06:53 AM
Gardner search warrant leaked
Documents posted on radio Web site

A stash of shovels and pickaxes, a T-shirt and jeans were among the items seized from the Lake Elsinore home of John Albert Gardner III more than a week after he was arrested in the slaying of Poway teenager Chelsea King, according to search-warrant records.

The documents were obtained by Los Angeles radio station KFI-AM 640 and posted on the station’s Web site Thursday. The warrant is one of at least four that have been filed in the case. All are under court-ordered seal.

“I saw that it was posted on KFI, and other than that I can’t comment on it,” Deputy Public Defender Mel Epley, one of Gardner’s attorneys, said Thursday.

The District Attorney’s Office also declined to comment, citing a gag order in the case.

Steve Gregory, the reporter who obtained the documents, said in an interview that the warrant was not illegally obtained but was leaked to him. He said he had not been contacted by authorities about the leak as of 3 p.m. Thursday.

Gardner was arrested Feb. 28 at a restaurant near Lake Hodges. He has been linked to the crime through DNA evidence found on a piece of Chelsea’s clothing. He has pleaded not guilty to rape and murder charges.

Gardner is also a focus of an investigation into the 2009 death of 14-year-old Amber Dubois of Escondido, whose remains were found north of Pala on March 6.

In the search warrant filed March 9 in El Cajon Superior Court, sheriff’s investigators listed several items they were hoping to find, including specific pieces of clothing; rope, tape or handcuffs; human hairs, tissues or fluids; clothing or other objects with blood on them; and personal documents.

One of the pieces of clothing investigators hoped to find was a blue sweater with a horizontal stripe across the chest, according to the warrant.

In addition to Chelsea’s death, Gardner has been charged in a Dec. 27 attack on a jogger near Lake Hodges. Police at the time said the attacker was wearing a blue-and-white sweater and jeans. The victim, Candice Moncayo, declined to speak about the case Thursday.

In the March 9 search of Gardner’s home, authorities seized a shovel and pickax from near the front door, as well as 10 shovels and two pickaxes from a backyard shed, according to the documents.

Lake Elsinore neighbor Mary Cook said in an earlier interview that she saw sheriff’s investigators at the home the night of Gardner’s arrest, and that they appeared to be interested in the shed.

Also seized were five pairs of jeans, a white “Hard Iraq Cafe — Baghdad” T-shirt and a pair of size-12 Reebok sneakers from his bedroom. The blue sweater was not listed as seized.

The full address of the home was redacted in the search warrant, but the house number on the document coincides with that of Gardner’s home on Gillette Street in Lake Elsinore. The affidavit, which typically argues why investigators have probable cause to search a property, was not included with the warrant.

The warrant number on the radio station’s documents matches the number listed at Superior Court for the Lake Elsinore address.

The talk-radio station also posted letters purportedly written by Gardner — a handwritten one to a girlfriend that is not signed and a typed note to his mother that appears to have been sent from prison. Gregory, the reporter, declined to divulge the source of the letters.

Gardner, 31, was registered with police as living at the Lake Elsinore home, but he often stayed with his mother and stepfather in Rancho Bernardo, about a mile from Rancho Bernardo Community Park, where Chelsea went missing after a jog Feb. 25. Her body was found in a shallow grave on the shore of Lake Hodges five days later.

Authorities also searched Gardner’s mother’s home in Rancho Bernardo, a storage unit in Escondido and a car belonging to Gardner’s girlfriend, according to a search warrant log.

Defense lawyer Christopher Plourd, who is not working on the case, said that if the documents were leaked, a judge or the attorneys could launch an investigation to find out the source. Ultimately, the violator could be jailed or fined.

A status hearing in the case was scheduled for today. It is unclear what will be discussed.

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/apr/15/gardner-search-warrant-leaked/


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 16, 2010, 09:40:49 AM
Oh my, thank-you for those updates  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Northern Rose on April 16, 2010, 12:57:17 PM
A Look Inside The Mind Of John Gardner

LISTEN: John Gardner Project Part I
http://a1135.g.akamai.net/f/1135/24935/1h/cchannel.download.akamai.com/24935/616/richmedia/STEVE_-_Gardner_Series_PART_1_AMD.mp3

LISTEN: John Gardner Project Part II
http://a1135.g.akamai.net/f/1135/24935/1h/cchannel.download.akamai.com/24935/616/richmedia/STEVE_-_Gardner_Series_PART_2_AMD.mp3

LISTEN: John Gardner Project Part III
http://a1135.g.akamai.net/f/1135/24935/1h/cchannel.download.akamai.com/24935/616/richmedia/STEVE_-_Gardner_Series_PART_3_AMD.mp3


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Northern Rose on April 16, 2010, 01:01:33 PM
A typed letter from Gardner to his mother while in prison. One name was redacted for protection.

http://www.kfiam640.com/cc-common/mlib/616/04/616_12708433252.jpg


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 16, 2010, 01:02:54 PM
Thanks Northern


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Northern Rose on April 16, 2010, 01:03:20 PM
Original court documents and complaint against John Gardner after the attack on a 13 year-old girl.
http://www.kfiam640.com/cc-common/mlib/616/04/616_12708432672.jpg

Gardner's prison file reveals his behavior while in prison and how he interacted with other prisoners
http://www.kfiam640.com/cc-common/mlib/616/04/616_12708432674.jpg

More of Gardner's prison files including statements from prison guards about Gardner's daily activities
http://www.kfiam640.com/cc-common/mlib/616/04/616_12708432673.jpg

http://www.kfi640.com/cc-common/mainheadlines3.html?feed=153218&article=6978166


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Northern Rose on April 16, 2010, 01:04:10 PM
Gardner's initial probation report from 2000
http://www.kfiam640.com/cc-common/mlib/616/04/616_12708433351.jpg


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Northern Rose on April 16, 2010, 01:13:29 PM
A handwritten letter from John Gardner to his latest girlfriend -- Jariah Baker.
http://www.kfiam640.com/cc-common/mlib/616/04/616_12708432874.jpg

Page two of the letter to Jariah.
http://www.kfiam640.com/cc-common/mlib/616/04/616_12708433071.jpg

Page three of the letter including Question & Answers. It appears the girlfriend read the letter, then wrote questions for Gardner. Some names were covered for protection.
http://www.kfiam640.com/cc-common/mlib/616/04/616_12708433072.jpg



Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Northern Rose on April 16, 2010, 01:22:58 PM
Another handwritten letter that appears to be written by someone other than Gardner
http://www.kfiam640.com/cc-common/mlib/616/04/616_12708432872.jpg



Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Northern Rose on April 16, 2010, 01:27:02 PM
A copy of a recent medical visit
http://www.kfiam640.com/cc-common/mlib/616/04/616_1271103878.jpg

A collection notice from the property management company for the apartment where Gardner and girlfriend, Jariah Baker, once lived.
http://www.kfiam640.com/cc-common/mlib/616/04/616_12708433084.jpg


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Northern Rose on April 16, 2010, 01:36:26 PM
A copy of a search warrant issued for one of the places Gardner was known to stay.
http://www.kfiam640.com/cc-common/mlib/616/04/616_12708433511.jpg

Close-up of items wanted by law enforcement. 14. Page two of the search warrant.
http://www.kfiam640.com/cc-common/mlib/616/04/616_12708433512.jpg

Page two of the search warrant.
http://www.kfiam640.com/cc-common/mlib/616/04/616_12708433691.jpg

A close-up of page two, listing more items that investigators are looking for.
http://www.kfiam640.com/cc-common/mlib/616/04/616_12708433513.jpg



Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Northern Rose on April 16, 2010, 01:45:39 PM
A copy of a receipt listing items taken from the area -- some names were covered for protection
http://www.kfiam640.com/cc-common/mlib/616/04/616_12708433692.jpg

A copy of another receipt with a list of items taken in a search warrant.
http://www.kfiam640.com/cc-common/mlib/616/04/616_12708433693.jpg

A close-up of the receipt for items taken in a search warrant.
http://www.kfiam640.com/cc-common/mlib/616/04/616_12708433704.jpg



Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: piwannaberookie on April 16, 2010, 04:22:51 PM
very interesting information NorthernRose... I was in fallbrook yesterday and was reading the village news and I thought I'd post this article up.

Link: http://www.thevillagenews.com/story/46840/ (http://www.thevillagenews.com/story/46840/)

Sheriff’s Dept encourages teens, families to attend safety seminar

 Thursday, April 8th, 2010.
Issue 14, Volume 14.


FALLBROOK – In light of the recent tragedies involving North County teens, the Fallbrook Substation of the San Diego County Sheriff’s Dept. will host an informative Personal Safety Seminar on Thursday evening, April 8 from 6 to 7 p.m. at Fallbrook High School’s Bob Burton Theatre, 2400 S. Stagecoach Lane.

Tips and guidelines on personal safety will be presented by Corporal Debbie Eglin, a core defensive tactics instructor for the San Diego Regional Law Enforcement Training Center.

Fallbrook Sheriff’s Substation Commander Lt. Phil Brust said the seminar has been organized in response to the tragedies of Chelsea King and Amber Dubois. While it is especially valuable for teens, the seminar is open to the public and designed for all ages.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Northern Rose on April 16, 2010, 05:01:59 PM
http://twitter.com/nbcsandiego

A gentleman wearing an .Amber T-shrt is standing in line to enter court, along with five or six others #NBCSD
2 minutes ago via mobile web

Reply Retweet    The pool camera was just brought into court #NBCSD
5 minutes ago via mobile web

Reply Retweet    It looks like a dozen lawyers are waiting to go into court #nbcsd
6 minutes ago via mobile web

Reply Retweet    Dozens of people are already outside Dept 10, where the hearing is scheduled for 2:3O #nbcsd
16 minutes ago via mobile web

Reply Retweet    We'll be tweeting from the surprise John Gardner status hearing when it begins in about an hour. #nbcsd http://bit.ly/dzAHYV


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Northern Rose on April 16, 2010, 05:04:31 PM
Surprise Hearing in Gardner Case Today

A status hearing is scheduled for John Gardner Friday afternoon, but it’s not clear if the subject of the hearing is tied to recently uncovered documents that explain what detectives found at his home.

Search warrant documents posted online show investigators removed a number of items from John Gardner’s home on March 9, 2010 including shovels, pick axes, digging tools and articles of clothing -- just two days after police found the body of missing teen Amber Dubois.

Friday's status conference was rescheduled from 2 p.m. to 2.30 p.m. Friday, according to San Diego County District Attorney spokesperson Paul Levikow. It’s not clear if Gardner will attend the hearing.

Officials are not releasing details about the subject of the hearing. Superior Court Judge David Danielsen issued a gag order in March. Gardner was not due back in court until Aug. 4, for a preliminary hearing.

NBC San Diego will live stream the hearing at 2.30 p.m.

http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local-beat/Surprise-Hearing-in-Gardner-Case-Today--91044959.htmlource: Surprise Hearing in Gardner Case Today | NBC San Diego
FIX LINK.  MB


Source: Surprise Hearing in Gardner Case Today | NBC San Diego


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Northern Rose on April 16, 2010, 05:05:32 PM
Karen Dalton just briefed the media. Said Gardner will be out of box for hearing #NBCSD
half a minute ago via mobile web


It appears that th media here is local -- no recgnizable faces from outside SD #NBCSD
3 minutes ago via mobile web

http://twitter.com/nbcsandiego


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Northern Rose on April 16, 2010, 05:09:00 PM
Karen Dalton just briefed the media. Said Gardner will be out of box for hearing #NBCSD
4 minutes ago via mobile web

http://twitter.com/nbcsandiego


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: mizjay on April 16, 2010, 05:12:07 PM
Thanks Northern

Ditto from me too      ::HelloKitty::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Northern Rose on April 16, 2010, 05:12:59 PM
I have not found the stream that NBC said it would have.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: klaasend on April 16, 2010, 05:13:52 PM
I can hear but cannot see yet.  Still coming into courtroom.  Hasn't started yet.

http://www.10news.com/video/15013365/index.html


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Northern Rose on April 16, 2010, 05:15:44 PM
I can hear but cannot see yet.  Still coming into courtroom.  Hasn't started yet.

http://www.10news.com/video/15013365/index.html

Thanks Klaas.  "NBC has a watch live" link but it is not live yet

http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local-beat/Surprise-Hearing-in-Gardner-Case-Today--91044959.html


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Northern Rose on April 16, 2010, 05:17:06 PM
Court room sounds packed.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Northern Rose on April 16, 2010, 05:18:14 PM
I see a hand.  are we supposed to read his palm?


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: klaasend on April 16, 2010, 05:18:38 PM
I can hear but cannot see yet.  Still coming into courtroom.  Hasn't started yet.

http://www.10news.com/video/15013365/index.html

I don't think it's supposed to start before 2:30pm so in about 10 minutes or so


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Missiontoconvict on April 16, 2010, 05:20:27 PM
Thank you for the links Northern and Klaas  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Northern Rose on April 16, 2010, 05:21:42 PM
somebody next to me said he can see Maurice Dubois #NBCSD
half a minute ago via mobile web

the kings are seated in the second row #NBCSD
2 minutes ago via mobile web

 a hush falls over the room as thje bailiffs shut the door #Nbcsd
3 minutes ago via mobile web

sheriff gore is in the courtroom #NBCSD
4 minutes ago via mobile web

Just got into the crowded court #NBCSD
6 minutes ago via mobile web

http://twitter.com/nbcsandiego


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Missiontoconvict on April 16, 2010, 05:23:46 PM
He looks thin and seemed to be intently looking for someone in the courtroom.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Northern Rose on April 16, 2010, 05:24:32 PM
added 3rd count - murder of amber.

Gardner wants to change his plea.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Northern Rose on April 16, 2010, 05:25:21 PM
Gardner is pleading guilty to all charges


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Northern Rose on April 16, 2010, 05:25:53 PM
DA is not going after death penalty


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Northern Rose on April 16, 2010, 05:26:51 PM
Gardner pleading guilty to murdering both Chelsea and Amber


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: klaasend on April 16, 2010, 05:27:09 PM
He's going to plead GUILTY


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Northern Rose on April 16, 2010, 05:27:33 PM
Consecutive life sentences
No chance for parole


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Missiontoconvict on April 16, 2010, 05:27:36 PM
Gardner pleading guilty to murdering both Chelsea and Amber
Wow


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Northern Rose on April 16, 2010, 05:28:21 PM
His eyes are doing some crazy rolling.  They are freaky. 


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: mizjay on April 16, 2010, 05:29:10 PM
He's going to plead GUILTY
::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyGavel::  gotta call my daughter ! She'll be thrilled to hear this.  Lock him up & throw away the key


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Missiontoconvict on April 16, 2010, 05:29:48 PM
I've never seen this happen before - I am shocked.  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Northern Rose on April 16, 2010, 05:31:10 PM
Counts 1 (murder of Chelsea) and 3 (murder of Amber)
life with out parole consecutive

Count 2 - 33 years to life
serving 3rd consecutive life term.

He pled out in exchange for not getting the DP


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Northern Rose on April 16, 2010, 05:33:42 PM
He agreed no appeal!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Count 1 Murder of Chelsea
guilty
special circumstance murder done during crime of rape

Count 2 Assualt of Candice M
guilty

Count 3 Murder of Amber on or about Feb 13
Special circumstance murder occured during crime of rape
guilty

omg...he murdered Amber


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: klaasend on April 16, 2010, 05:34:00 PM
He's going to plead GUILTY

It's my understanding he will be receiving 2 consecutive life sentences.  Count #1 murder of Chelsea King with special circumstances = guilty  Count#2 Candice M attempted rape = Guilty,  Count #3 Murder of Amber D = Guilty

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub8/GardnerCourt041610a.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub8/Picture0001-1.jpg)


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Northern Rose on April 16, 2010, 05:34:35 PM
images


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Northern Rose on April 16, 2010, 05:35:25 PM
He's going to plead GUILTY

It's my understanding he will be receiving 2 consecutive life sentences.  Count #1 murder of Chelsea King with special circumstances = guilty  Count#2 Candice M attempted rape = Guilty,  Count #3 Murder of Amber D = Guilty

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub8/GardnerCourt041610a.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub8/Picture0001-1.jpg)

Judge said 3 consecutive life sentences.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: klaasend on April 16, 2010, 05:36:15 PM
He's finally doing something right


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Northern Rose on April 16, 2010, 05:37:03 PM
murder took place one hour after Gardner took Chelsea

Murder of Amber took place within 1 1/2 hours after taking Amber, he took her up to the place she was found and put her in a grave.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 16, 2010, 05:37:14 PM
I'm speechless, just speechless. I never would have expected this. Justice for Chelsea and Amber and Candace  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Green Eyes on April 16, 2010, 05:37:25 PM
I am with you Mission, I have not seen this happen before. Saved the state a lot of time and money and he will never be able to hurt and kill again.
I wonder how the families feel about his plea deal.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Northern Rose on April 16, 2010, 05:37:55 PM
OMG he admitted the murder of both Chelsea and Amber took place while raping them. 


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Northern Rose on April 16, 2010, 05:39:13 PM
Protective gag order is now withdrawn.  Sentencing will be June 1.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: no rose colored glasses on April 16, 2010, 05:39:41 PM
OMG he admitted the murder of both Chelsea and Amber took place while raping them. 
Disgusting b@stard will never see the light of day again, thank God.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Missiontoconvict on April 16, 2010, 05:40:24 PM
He's finally doing something right
Yes, yes he is.  Amazing.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: klaasend on April 16, 2010, 05:42:11 PM
He's finally doing something right
Yes, yes he is.  Amazing.

He's sparing his mom and family a long trial.  He's sparing his own life.  He knows he'll re-offend, he can't help himself.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Missiontoconvict on April 16, 2010, 05:42:31 PM
I am with you Mission, I have not seen this happen before. Saved the state a lot of time and money and he will never be able to hurt and kill again.
I wonder how the families feel about his plea deal.
I wonder about the families too - they must be overcome with pain yet relieved that he has plead guilty and they won't have to go thru the pain of a long drawn out trial.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Cappuccino on April 16, 2010, 05:43:21 PM
I missed the entire confession but that monster has no remorse, he's just saving himself from the DP and/or going into gen pop.   


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Cappuccino on April 16, 2010, 05:44:04 PM
I am with you Mission, I have not seen this happen before. Saved the state a lot of time and money and he will never be able to hurt and kill again.
I wonder how the families feel about his plea deal.
I wonder about the families too - they must be overcome with pain yet relieved that he has plead guilty and they won't have to go thru the pain of a long drawn out trial.


Extremely rare indeed


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: mizjay on April 16, 2010, 05:44:31 PM
He's finally doing something right
Yes, yes he is.  Amazing.

He's sparing his mom and family a long trial.  He's sparing his own life.  He knows he'll re-offend, he can't help himself.
I'm amazed too  and relieved. It will spare the victim's families from horrible months of focusing on the horrible details


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: bananas on April 16, 2010, 05:52:43 PM
I missed the entire confession but that monster has no remorse, he's just saving himself from the DP and/or going into gen pop.   

I agree...... he is pure evil.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: mizjay on April 16, 2010, 05:56:43 PM

Wow.  I'm almost speechless.  I'm happy for the King family and the family of Amber Dubois.

Now they can begin to rebuild their lives without agonizing if this monster could get off or have to sit thru a trial of painful testimony. 


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Northern Rose on April 16, 2010, 05:56:48 PM
Dubois and King family to be speaking shorlty

http://www.10news.com/video/15013365/index.html


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Northern Rose on April 16, 2010, 05:59:38 PM
He raped and stabbed Amber and buried her.  I am not sure I can take hearing more details as they come out. 


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Northern Rose on April 16, 2010, 06:00:53 PM
I missed the details about the new gag order.  Can someone please fill me in.  I heard that none of the detectives or the ME can give out details. 


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Missiontoconvict on April 16, 2010, 06:01:38 PM
He raped and stabbed Amber and buried her.  I am not sure I can take hearing more details as they come out. 
I hear ya Northern Rose - they said he killed her within an hour of taking her  ::MonkeyTears::


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: piwannaberookie on April 16, 2010, 06:02:47 PM
im not that surprised, he really had no choice but to plead guilty, all that research Klaas found about Hashers and their "runs" and finding the picture of him at a Thanksgiving dinner, he knew he was caught, maybe his mom had something to do with it, he probably knew he ruined her career.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Missiontoconvict on April 16, 2010, 06:04:15 PM
I missed the details about the new gag order.  Can someone please fill me in.  I heard that none of the detectives or the ME can give out details. 
I believe it to mean we will not learn the details of the investigation and forensics until he has had formal sentencing but I am not for sure on this.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Northern Rose on April 16, 2010, 06:05:03 PM
He raped and stabbed Amber and buried her.  I am not sure I can take hearing more details as they come out. 
I hear ya Northern Rose - they said he killed her within an hour of taking her  ::MonkeyTears::

I could have misheard but I thought they said he murdered Chelsea within one hour and Amber within 1 1/2 hours of taking her. 


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Northern Rose on April 16, 2010, 06:06:42 PM
John Gardner pleads guilty to murdering King and Dubois

A convicted sex offender pleaded guilty Friday to killing a 17-year-old Poway High School senior and a 14-year-old Escondido High School freshman, and he was expected to be sentenced to two consecutive life prison terms without the possibility of parole.

John Albert Gardner III, 31, also faces an additional 33 years to life in prison for assaulting a woman Dec. 27.

Gardner, whose plea spares him from a possible death sentence, is scheduled to be sentenced June 1.

His plea also bars him from filing an appeal of his conviction and sentence.

Gardner admitted attacking, raping and killing 17-year-old Chelsea King, who disappeared after going for a run Feb. 25 at Rancho Bernardo Community Park. The avid runner and straight-A student's body was discovered five days later in a shallow grave near a tributary of nearby Lake Hodges - not far from Gardner's mother's home.

He also admitted killing 14-year-old Amber Dubois, who vanished while walking to Escondido High School in February 2009. Her skeletal remains were found last month in Pala.

In 2000, Gardner was sentenced to six years in prison after pleading guilty to assaulting a 13-year-old girl at his mother's home. He was released after five years.

The District Attorney's Office said it offered Gardner a plea deal in that case to spare his young victim from testifying at trial. The offer came despite a psychiatrist's recommendation that Gardner receive the maximum sentence of 30 years in prison because he showed no remorse and would continue to be a threat to children.

At the time of Gardner's arrest in the King case, authorities said he was a focus of the investigation into the murder of Dubois.

http://www.lajollalight.com/news/268469-john-gardner-pleads-guilty-to-murdering-king-and-dubois


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Northern Rose on April 16, 2010, 06:09:35 PM
Sex Offender Pleads Guilty To Murdering 2 Teens

SAN DIEGO (AP) ― Sex offender John Albert Gardner pleaded guilty Friday to murdering two teenage girls in San Diego County after prosecutors agreed not to seek the death penalty.

Gardner, 31, faces life in prison without parole for killing 14-year-old Amber Dubois and 17-year-old Chelsea King.

Gardner, wearing a dark blue jail jumpsuit with his shackled arms hanging at his sides, said nothing but "yes" repeatedly as the judge asked him for his pleas.

Amber vanished in February 2009 and the investigation produced few solid leads until Chelsea disappeared Feb. 25 near the site where Amber went missing.

Gardner was arrested three days later and initially pleaded not guilty to murdering Chelsea.

Chelsea's body was discovered March 2 in a shallow lakeside grave after a massive search. Prosecutors say Gardner was linked to the crime by DNA found on Chelsea's clothing.

Amber Dubois' bones were discovered March 6 in a rugged, remote area north of San Diego. She vanished with a $200 check to purchase a lamb she was to raise for Future Farmers of America. The check was never cashed.

http://cbs2.com/local/John.Gardner.Amber.2.1638270.html


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: klaasend on April 16, 2010, 06:11:09 PM
I have the new thread ready.  We can post more about todays hearing there.  Can be duplicated.


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Northern Rose on April 16, 2010, 06:12:37 PM
Chelsea was raped and strangled
Killing was done with premeditation during the course of a rape
She was murdered within one hour

Amber was taken to Pala where she was raped and stabbed
Killing done with premeditation during the course of rape
Murder took place with 1.5 hours of meeting Amber


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 16, 2010, 06:13:51 PM
He's finally doing something right
Yes, yes he is.  Amazing.

He's sparing his mom and family a long trial.  He's sparing his own life.  He knows he'll re-offend, he can't help himself.

 ::MonkeyShocked::

Was the death penalty taken off the table in exchange for a guilty plea?

I am a believer in the death penalty for premeditated murder but in this case ... if this monster is never given the freedom to walk the street again .... justice will have been served.  There is now a measure of closure for both Amber and Chelsea's families and ... they have been spared a long and drawn out justice process.

Janet


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: klaasend on April 16, 2010, 06:14:14 PM
I'm going to go ahead and lock this thread a little bit early.  Go ahead and re-post anything you want.  I don't care if there are duplicates. 

Thanks!

Get ready, going to lock now!

New thread......

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=7313.new#new


Title: Re: Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 16, 2010, 06:14:50 PM
Norther Rose

Thank you for the heads-up in the Heleigh thread.

Janet