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Title: Barack Obama Throws His Hat Into The Ring
Post by: LouiseVargas on January 16, 2007, 06:57:33 PM
Obama Takes First Step in Presidential Bid

Barack Obama plans to formally launch his campaign for president in Springfield, the city where Abraham Lincoln lived and worked before being elected the nation's 16th president. The announcement would come around Lincoln's birthday and help underscore Obama's hope of positioning himself as a uniter who can rise above partisan bickering. Obama, like Lincoln, served in the Illinois General Assembly in Springfield. Obama said Tuesday that he has formed an exploratory committee to study a presidential bid and will announce his final decision on Feb. 10.


Title: Barack Obama Throws His Hat Into The Ring
Post by: LouiseVargas on January 16, 2007, 07:17:25 PM
When all the world is a hopeless jumble
And the raindrops tumble all around
Heaven opens a magic lane
When all the clouds darken up the skyway
There's a rainbow highway to be found
Leading from your window pane
To a place behind the sun
Just a step beyond the rain

Somewhere over the rainbow way up high
There's a land that I've heard of once in a lullaby
Somewhere over the rainbow skies are blue
And the dreams that you dare to dream
Really do come true

Some day I'll wish upon a star
And wake up where the clouds are far behind me
Where troubles melt like lemon drops
Away above the chimney tops
That's where you'll find me

Somewhere over the rainbow blue birds fly
Birds fly over the rainbow
Why then, oh why can't I?
If happy little bluebirds fly beyond the rainbow
Why oh why can't I?


Title: Barack Obama Throws His Hat Into The Ring
Post by: LouiseVargas on January 16, 2007, 07:39:44 PM
Today on FOX, I heard Dick Morris being interviewed. I searched the FOX website to try to find the transcripts but I can't find 'em. I've heard him make political predictions before.

What I heard (not an exact quote): Morris said, "Hillary Clinton will be the next President. She will have a race with Obama but in the end, he will be her vice president."


Title: Barack Obama Throws His Hat Into The Ring
Post by: LouiseVargas on January 16, 2007, 07:48:28 PM
I HAVE HOPE

There's a place for us,
Somewhere a place for us.
Peace and quiet and open air
Wait for us somewhere.

There's a time for us,
Someday a time for us.
Time together with time to spare,
Time to learn, time to care.

Someday, somewhere
We'll find a new way of living,
We'll find a way of forgiving,
Somewhere.

There's a place for us,
A time and place for us.
Hold my hand and we're halfway there
Hold my hand and I'll take you there,
Somehow, someday, somewhere.

Someday, somewhere
We'll find a new way of living,
We'll find a way of forgiving,
Somewhere.

There's a place for us,
A time and place for us.
Hold my hand and we're halfway there
Hold my hand and I'll take you there,
Somehow, someday, somewhere.


Title: Barack Obama Throws His Hat Into The Ring
Post by: mrs. red on January 17, 2007, 08:29:17 PM
LV... if Hilliary and Barack are President and Vice President... my prediction is that the misery index will make Carter look like a genius.... that is a scary proposition IMO...

Love to you... hope you are well... but my friend, on this we completely disagree....


Title: Barack Obama Throws His Hat Into The Ring
Post by: Tylergal on January 18, 2007, 02:26:29 PM
Oh!  No, Hillary will not allow a chain smoker near the White House.  Obama will have to kick the habit or kick her out of the drivers seat.


Title: Barack Obama Throws His Hat Into The Ring
Post by: LouiseVargas on January 18, 2007, 09:26:12 PM
Mrs. Red,

Can you explain to me what "the misery index" is? The only thing I know is that it has something to do with Jimmy Carter.


Title: Barack Obama Throws His Hat Into The Ring
Post by: LouiseVargas on January 18, 2007, 09:29:16 PM
Tyler,

I heard today on FOX that Obama is a smoker. It was pointed out that he is never photographed smoking, never seen with a pack of cigs in his pocket and the camera has never filmed him smoking a cig.

Do we have Monkey smokers? Please raise your hands! I would never think less of any of you who smoke specifically because you're a smoker.

Another thought. It's ok to accept Cheney (second in line for the presidency) who has serious heart problems (multiple surguries, a stent) and who could drop dead at any moment, but there is an inordinate amount of hoopla because Barack smokes cigarettes.  :!:  :!:  :!:

Please elaborate.


Title: Barack Obama Throws His Hat Into The Ring
Post by: darleenofalabama on January 18, 2007, 11:13:03 PM
Smoking cigarettes is the least of Barack Hussein Obama's problems; the fact that he is a MUSLIM ought to be of paramount concern to every voter in America.


Title: Barack Obama Throws His Hat Into The Ring
Post by: mrs. red on January 19, 2007, 06:33:38 PM
LV... the misery index was created specifically when Carter was president.  It indexs the unemployment, inflation, interest rates, etc... during a president's tenure.  Under Carter it was the highes that this country has ever known... interest rates for buying homes was 21%, unemployment was at an all time high, and everyone was struggling.... in ways we can't even think of remembering now.... there were still people during that time that didn't have things we think of as necessities which back then were luxury items... (or considered to be).

The American athletes were not allowed to participate in the Olympics because Carter wanted to show those hard-liners that we would be tough..... and of course there was the kidnapping of the Americans.  

That my dear is the misery index.....

and I know you think we botched this war in Iraq... but I think the media would like us to believe that it is hopeless.... I think there is more to the good than we will ever hear... and let's face it, as Gulliani says - if Iraq wasn't important in brining democracy, peace ... some HOPE to that region, the terrorist insurgents wouldn't be fighting so adamently to keep it under their rule... Like it or not, if we just tuck our tail and run, that is when we will all be under the burka rules....

we have to finish and stay strong.... if the media and US had acted this way during the world wars, we would be speaking Japanese or German....


Title: Barack Obama Throws His Hat Into The Ring
Post by: darleenofalabama on January 19, 2007, 06:40:39 PM
BRAVO, MRS. RED!!!!!!!  I am constantly amazed whenever I hear bashing of the mission of our troops, which is to show terrorists that their behavior is unacceptable and won't be tolerated!!!  Good grief, get educated, people.


Title: Barack Obama Throws His Hat Into The Ring
Post by: Sam on January 19, 2007, 08:42:13 PM
Hey Louise,

Yes I am a smoker. I have quit a million times at least. Never for any real amount of time. I do resent being viewed as a second class citizen because of it. So thanks for not doing that.

I have no intention of voting for Cheney at least at this time. I very much doubt I would vote for Hillary. I do not think Bill was a bad president even though his morals left a lot to be desired. One of my main problems with Hillary is not that she stayed with Bill after finding out about his definite infidelities but her comment when he was accused that she was not a little stand by your man gal.

At this time I am very impressed with Barak Obama. It will be very interesting as more things are asked. JMHO


Title: Barack Obama Throws His Hat Into The Ring
Post by: mrs. red on January 19, 2007, 10:37:08 PM
in no way do I think that smokers are second class citizens, in fact as much as I dislike the smell... I don't believe in any of these states that are banning smokers....


in fact in MAINE, they are trying to pass a law that says you may not smoke outside at all... .not even in your own back yard....

wow... that is the first of decisions I don't want made for me...


Title: Barack Obama Throws His Hat Into The Ring
Post by: LouiseVargas on January 19, 2007, 11:04:30 PM
Mrs. Red,

Thanks for the explanation of the misery index. Now I get it.

I didn't like it that Carter boycotted the Olympics. He did it as a political statement, but without a thought to what it is like to practice for four years so that one is ready to peak at the Olympics. The boycott ruined the careers of many Olympians.

I know we are friends because we still like each other even though we sometimes have different viewpoints.

But I'm clueless why some people think the war is botched and why others think the war is going well.

Love, Louise


Title: Barack Obama Throws His Hat Into The Ring
Post by: pdh3 on January 20, 2007, 12:20:44 AM
Bush 43 is responsible for some of the bad impressions of the war. He announced that we had " won" the war prematurely, and that we would put the Iraquis in charge,rebuild and move on. That was about 3 years ago, if I remember correctly. That was far from the reality of what was truly taking place, and it raised the expectations of Americans who thought we'd be out of Iraq, and that the fighting would stop. I have never understood why it was assumed that the war was over at that time. And why is it conveniently forgotten that he made that ill-timed statement?
We are obviously being misled by the Bush Administration, just as we were misled about Viet Nam by the Johnson Administration.
And we are being misled by the media as well. So people don't know what's going on in Iraq, or which side to believe. Journalists were more objective during WWll, and journalistic standards had not been breached by the entertainment factor.
It's no wonder people are so polarized and confused about Iraq.
I suspect the truth is somewhere in the middle.


Title: Barack Obama Throws His Hat Into The Ring
Post by: Sam on January 20, 2007, 10:18:28 AM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
in no way do I think that smokers are second class citizens, in fact as much as I dislike the smell... I don't believe in any of these states that are banning smokers....


in fact in MAINE, they are trying to pass a law that says you may not smoke outside at all... .not even in your own back yard....

wow... that is the first of decisions I don't want made for me...


I have a few problems with all this anti smoking hoopla. I would feel the same even if I were not a smoker.

1. This country was founded on Tobacco and alcohol like it or not.

2. Our Government is intruding to much into our personal lives. If they want to protect the citizens they should be making laws where sex offenders are sent away for life when found guilty. No second chances.
Make laws that make sense and enforce them.

When government is allowed to much leeway it is only a matter of time before they take away others rights as well. Businesses are no longer allowed to make the decision on whether they may have smoking sections. According to the lawmakers it is for the peoples health benefit.


Well we all know red meat is unhealthy. Does this mean this will be next on there list?  Or portion control.  Or no fast food or buffets?

What about the possibility of bird flu? No poultry alowed to be served anywhere.

Maybe they should just outlaw all meat and make us be vegetarians? Just kidding of course but this really could happen when Government is allowed to make all of our decisions for us. JMHO


Title: Barack Obama Throws His Hat Into The Ring
Post by: mrs. red on January 20, 2007, 12:11:28 PM
I think it depends on how you view the importance of keeping terrorism at bay or whether or not you believe - as I do - that these jihadists and terrorists are slave to a "religion" that believes that they must kill and rid the world of anyone that does not believe as they do.  It is more than an attack on Israel or even Christians - what so many people don't quite realize is that these fundamentalists hate everything about us from our way of life to television... it's why women are not allowed to read, or to own property etc.  It is also why the females are circumcised - like it or not, women set the tone for the household and help teach men when they are boys to respect or hate women....

this is why I fully support staying in Iraq and doing all we can to win this war.... remember the story I have told y'all about the solider I met flying over Memorial Day weekend who was from Haiti and he was now fighting for the US?  Let's face it, Clinton did that country NO FAVORS... and I am not sure it's even possible  - but this young man remembers seeing our troops when he was 9 years old and now is one of them... that is powerful stuff....

as far as the media goes, I think they have had it ingrained that they must have a certain agenda or be fired... on a lesser level, but relating to all of this read the book "SPIN SISTERS"... it really talks about how the media works... even fashion maven Stacey London has said  - and I have seen her speak in person - that magazines are in business to make us feel bad about ourselves... she worked for Vogue, if y'all don't know....

but it's the media's job to have a lock step opinion these days.... and it's a shame but unfortunately it's the truth.... I was interested to see Michelle Malkin's opinion change after she went to Iraq... of course, we don't have that luxury.  But I do promise that I know 2 men fighting there right now and a few of my friends have kids or grandkids over there fighting and to a man they all say the same thing... that we are doing good... and it's not as bad as they say...

in fact, the soliders I have stopped in airports, etc have confirmed these things... If you see a military member, stop them, thank them and ask them....


Title: Barack Obama Throws His Hat Into The Ring
Post by: mrs. red on January 20, 2007, 12:13:10 PM
Sam...

the reasons you state are the reasons I don't like this one bit..... I don't want the government controlling any aspect of my life.  Particulary when smoking is legal......


notice they are already controllling the food industry...

once again it's a wake up call.... and it seems like no one is listening...


Title: Barack Obama Throws His Hat Into The Ring
Post by: pdh3 on January 20, 2007, 02:59:33 PM
mrs. red.......with all due respect, I have to point out a few things.......
I have a good friend who fought in the now famous Battle of Fallujah. He was also in the Gulf War when he was an active Marine, and was in the reserves when he was sent to Fallujah. I live in a city with a huge Army base, and many of my friends are in the reserves, or are retired military.Everyone here is somehow tied to either NASA or the military in one way or another, so I am very familiar with what our soldiers think. I know several who have been to Iraq more than once.
A person who chooses the military as a career is of course supportive of what they have chosen to do, unlike Viet Nam, where kids were forced to go. War is what our military is trained to do, and that is their frame of reference. Military personnel must believe in what they are doing in order to survive. It is their mission to succeed. They are trained to think that way.
Soldiers do not have a totally unbiased opinion either.
I firmly support our military, and what they are doing. My problem is that the war was mismanaged, and the military was not given all the equipment they needed to do the job. The generals, who know what they are doing, were not given the full reign they deserved, unlike the Gulf War managed so brilliantly by Colin Powell and the generals of that time.
Just because not everyone agrees with the war does not mean those same people are not listening, or are somehow all wrong in their opinions. I think most people are patriotic, and want what they believe is best for America.

As for Stacy London....I despise her show because she is so condecending to the participants, and it is supposed to be funny to make fun of people. She chooses to make piles of money from the fashion industry, and freely spins along with the rest of them. The whole reality show trend is to make people feel bad about themselves, or that they don't measure up somehow. Stacy London contributes to the myth of perfection that is so damaging to our culture right now. I'd like to see a show that focuses on developing strength of character instead of shallow, superficial qualities.


Title: Barack Obama Throws His Hat Into The Ring
Post by: nonesuche on January 20, 2007, 07:01:42 PM
pdh3-

Had Rick not gone to Desert Storm he might well be alive today. I know how he felt and he served under Powell, I also had the privilege of hearing Shwartzkopf speak once and his message was very simple.

He said "most of the world's problems can be solved by doing the right thing, the issue is that we choose often not to do the right thing". I think the path of doing the right thing is often the hardest path possible.

Rick felt we should have never left the first time without driving out all the dictators who do not value human life and who rise to power feeling they have an inalienable right to destroy our country. However painful this current moment is for our country, I do believe to destroy terrorism remains the right thing to do for our planet.


Title: Barack Obama Throws His Hat Into The Ring
Post by: pdh3 on January 20, 2007, 10:32:26 PM
dear none........I know this must be a sensitive subject for you. I appreciate your input so much.
We should have done more the first time around, there is no doubt. But now that we are there again, I believe we must do whatever is necessary to win. I agree with that wholeheartedly. What I don't agree with is not allowing the military to do what it takes without micromanaging, and without everything they need to be successful.If that means more troops. then so be it. The generals know their business, and I do have faith in them. I just don't think George 2 did a great job with leadership during this trying time, and I have no faith in him.
War has a tremendous impact on military families, as you well know. If our military personnel are in combat, then we as a country must be behind them 100%. Dubya has not provided that confident leadership for us either. I see that as a huge problem. He hasn't sold the American people on the long haul, and his missteps have caused some doubt in the purpose of our presence in Iraq.
It's become an image problem.
I think the military leaders know what they need, and that's who we need to look to for answers.


Title: Barack Obama Throws His Hat Into The Ring
Post by: nonesuche on January 21, 2007, 09:50:41 AM
pdh3-

I guess I haven't viewed this in a simplistic way, for I thought from day one of this war that we could possibly win this particularly battle but likely lose the war to an Iraq or Iran or South Korea launching nuclear weapons against us. I still believe that will likely be the eventual outcome.

I don't believe wars can be won as they used to be, I think the Vietnam War was our first experience with modern war and such a hard lesson.

I just think we have to adapt our expectations to reality and just as the world has changed, so has war. I also believe as you do that our military leaders are the subject matter experts, but I also believe they must work collaboratively with our leadership.

Honestly I just think the issues and the problems are larger and more complex than our military leadership not having enough carte blanche to do as they see fit, or more troops, or more weapons and supplies or even better weapons. I also wouldn't wish to be president during this era for some countries and factions in the middle east are the embodiment of a foe willing to destroy themselves in order to destroy us. How do you win against such as that? I honestly do not think you can, at least not in politically correct ways.


Title: Barack Obama Throws His Hat Into The Ring
Post by: pdh3 on January 21, 2007, 02:54:47 PM
The Middle East is a complicated area of the world, with cultural differences that seem insurmountable sometimes. Whatever we end up accomplishing, those differences will always exist. The US cannot undo thousands of years of animosity amoung people who have no wish to reside peacefully. It is a dilemna. Diplomacy will not work, and this war is currently not as successful as 4 years of fighting should have been.
It isn't a simple problem to fix, none. You're exactly right about political correctness too. But after all is said and done, I do think history will tell us that the Bush Admin., in the early years, mismanaged this war and made critical mistakes. If you look back at every war we've ever fought there have been costly mistakes made by one side or another. This one IMHO, is no different. The biggest mistake is that he lost the support of the American people for the most part. Leadership is critical in hard times like these.
Many people think the terrorists will attack us again soon. I think they won't do anything to unite us again. They like the division over the war, and the non-support of the people for Pres. Bush. They know we have a short attention span.


Title: Barack Obama Throws His Hat Into The Ring
Post by: mrs. red on January 21, 2007, 03:17:24 PM
Actually PHD3... I disagree with you on Stacy London... yes, she can be harsh but every single show ends with the person feeling wonderful about themselves and understanding that they deserve to pay attention to themselves - and whether or not it's shallow, it is a fact of life that you must follow the rules of dressing correctly etc...... I am a paralegal and the show where they took the young mother out of tight jeans and spagetti strapped tops and put her into suits and showed her how to dress, I know helped her professionally.... because law firms are still staid when it comes to dressing.... most firms and corporate offices do not allow jeans or sloppy dressing.... and that includes having well groomed hair....

I would agree with you more wholeheartedly if we were talking extreme makeovers like the ones where they tell the person they have to have a facelift, botox, etc.... Stacey London is a little edgy, but I have noticed on every single show she tells the person they are beautiful... and that they have potential... but we digress...


I disagree with you on the first Gulf War, because we should have stayed and finished it....

you so dislike W, but I think he is doing what needs to be done in the face of what is at stake while our other so-called leaders are doing all they can to destroy him...
I was reading that the Democrats are going to block more troops and cut funding for the war and just pull out...

I pray to GOD that it's all a sound bite, because if we do, we will be hit so hard not only by the terrorists, but North Korea, et.al that we will not breathe again....

the bombing last week of the US Embassy in Greece was the beginning of them striking again because they know we have forgotten 911... and they now know that we don't have the stomach or will to defeat them.... or at least they don't think we do....


Title: Barack Obama Throws His Hat Into The Ring
Post by: darleenofalabama on January 22, 2007, 05:37:34 AM
For those who need to further your educations, here's some important text:

Barack Hussein Obama was born in Honolulu, Hawaii, to Barack Hussein Obama, Sr., a Muslim from Nyangoma-Kogel, Kenya, and Ann Dunham, an atheist from Witchita, Kansas.  Obama's parents met at the University of Hawaii.

When Barack Hussein Obama was two year's old, his parents divorced.  His father then returned to Kenya.  His mother then married Lolo Soetoro, a radical Muslim from Indonesia.  When Barack Hussein Obama was six years old, the family relocated to Indonesia.  Barack Hussein Obama attended a Muslim school in Jakarta.

Barack Hussein Obama takes great care to conceal the fact that he is a Muslim.  He is quick to point out that "he was once a Muslim, but also attended a Catholic school".

Barack Hussein Obama's political handlers are attempting to make it appear that Barack Hussein Obama's introduction to Islam came via his father and that this influence was temporary at best.  In reality, the senior Obama returned to Kenya soon after the divorce, and never again had any direct influence over his son's education.  Lolo Soetoro, the second husband of Barack Hussein Obama's mother, Ann Durham,  introduced his stepson to Islam.  Barack Hussein Obama was enrolled in a Wahabi school in Jakarta.  Wahabism is the radical teaching that is followed by the Muslim terrorists who are now waging jihad against the western world.

{{edit - that was just plain rude}}


Title: Barack Obama Throws His Hat Into The Ring
Post by: A's Fever on January 22, 2007, 01:11:14 PM
This has all been previously discussed.  I don't think any Monkey has disputed his early ties to Islam.   We are trying to understand what it means now.


Title: Barack Obama Throws His Hat Into The Ring
Post by: pdh3 on January 22, 2007, 02:53:15 PM
mrs. red.......I think Stacey London could show the participant on the show how to dress without the demeaning comments and eye rolling and belittling that goes on. If someone treated me that way, I would not appreciate it at all. There are nicer ways to get a point across, IMHO. I do realize that certain professions require a person to dress in a certain way. I don't have a problem with pointers on that. It's just the way Stacey acts that I don't like. And I do hate all the emphasis on the exterior and none on character. It's hard to raise kids to appreciate the right things when the media is emphasizing all the wrong ones.


Title: Barack Obama Throws His Hat Into The Ring
Post by: Anna on January 24, 2007, 02:28:15 AM
I just don't trust any person who suddenly changes their religion when it becomes politically expedient to do so.

The liberal left and their lap dog media will not support anything Bush does, never have, never will.

It didn't matter what he did or how the war in Iraq was managed, we are kidding ourselves if we think for one minute that he would receive anything like the support he deserved or our troops the backing they should have had when it is more expedient to garner votes to trash him and the war effort.

Whatever gets votes is what our liberal media will portray as the truth, fact, etc.  If it will get them elected in a midterm election to say the war is a failure, then by golly, it will be portrayed as a failure.  Following this, with an enemy so heartened by their efforts, the battle becomes unwinnable by normal standards.  Happened in Vietnam and is happening again, thanks to the same folks.  They did learn something from Vietnam, after all.

And this is a sad fact.  

Another sad fact is that this same liberal left cares nothing of the possible millions who will once again lose their lives as a result of our cut and run policy just as the death camps of Cambodia, etc. gave us.  Anything to win and election and grasp a little bit of power.  We have seen this all before.  And before, they took no responsibility for what happened when the surrender monkeys got their way and when it happens again in the Middle East, they will again turn a blind eye to what they have done.

Only problem this time is they will be coming here for us, next and will not limit their genocide and mass murder to one location.  This jihad is global and surrender at any step of the way is going to cost us dearly in the long run.  This time, it won't just be half a world away.

JMO.


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Title: Barack Obama Throws His Hat Into The Ring
Post by: mrs. red on January 26, 2007, 08:38:27 PM
Quote from: "pdh3"
mrs. red.......I think Stacey London could show the participant on the show how to dress without the demeaning comments and eye rolling and belittling that goes on. If someone treated me that way, I would not appreciate it at all. There are nicer ways to get a point across, IMHO. I do realize that certain professions require a person to dress in a certain way. I don't have a problem with pointers on that. It's just the way Stacey acts that I don't like. And I do hate all the emphasis on the exterior and none on character. It's hard to raise kids to appreciate the right things when the media is emphasizing all the wrong ones.


Ok.. .she probly could be nicer at times, but then agian, she also takes a lot of grief from some of these women and men.  THe one thing I do like is the message of cover it up.... she always makes sure that the women and men know that hoochie is a huge NO!!   Yes, there is so much emphasis on the exterior, but let's face it... it is in reality the first thing people see or know about you.... and to be well groomed makes an important statement, IMO


Title: Barack Obama Throws His Hat Into The Ring
Post by: mrs. red on January 26, 2007, 08:40:01 PM
Quote from: Anna
I just don't trust any person who suddenly changes their religion when it becomes politically expedient to do so.

The liberal left and their lap dog media will not support anything Bush does, never have, never will.

It didn't matter what he did or how the war in Iraq was managed, we are kidding ourselves if we think for one minute that he would receive anything like the support he deserved or our troops the backing they should have had when it is more expedient to garner votes to trash him and the war effort.

Whatever gets votes is what our liberal media will portray as the truth, fact, etc.  If it will get them elected in a midterm election to say the war is a failure, then by golly, it will be portrayed as a failure.  Following this, with an enemy so heartened by their efforts, the battle becomes unwinnable by normal standards.  Happened in Vietnam and is happening again, thanks to the same folks.  They did learn something from Vietnam, after all.

And this is a sad fact.  

Another sad fact is that this same liberal left cares nothing of the possible millions who will once again lose their lives as a result of our cut and run policy just as the death camps of Cambodia, etc. gave us.  Anything to win and election and grasp a little bit of power.  We have seen this all before.  And before, they took no responsibility for what happened when the surrender monkeys got their way and when it happens again in the Middle East, they will again turn a blind eye to what they have done.

Only problem this time is they will be coming here for us, next and will not limit their genocide and mass murder to one location.  This jihad is global and surrender at any step of the way is going to cost us dearly in the long run.  This time, it won't just be half a world away.

JMO.


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ANNA.... I am giving you a Standing OVation on this one... couldn't have expressed it any better


Title: Barack Obama Throws His Hat Into The Ring
Post by: nonesuche on January 27, 2007, 11:10:26 AM
Anna's post here is a classic example of how the truth can hurt and I only wish our polticians had to read this ten times over !


Title: Barack Obama Throws His Hat Into The Ring
Post by: MsVada on January 30, 2007, 08:52:09 AM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
in no way do I think that smokers are second class citizens, in fact as much as I dislike the smell... I don't believe in any of these states that are banning smokers....


in fact in MAINE, they are trying to pass a law that says you may not smoke outside at all... .not even in your own back yard....

wow... that is the first of decisions I don't want made for me...


Hi Mrs Red.

I live in Maine,  I had not heard about this law you are talking about.  The law that just passed last week was by the city of Bangor,  You cannot smoke in your vehicle while children are present inside the vehicle.

You cannot smoke in any public restaurants or even bars here.
You cannot smoke in any buildings, malls, offices or whatever.
I had not heard about  banning smoking in your own back yard.


Title: Barack Obama Throws His Hat Into The Ring
Post by: mrs. red on January 30, 2007, 07:33:22 PM
Quote from: "Ms.DarthVada"
Quote from: "mrs. red"
in no way do I think that smokers are second class citizens, in fact as much as I dislike the smell... I don't believe in any of these states that are banning smokers....


in fact in MAINE, they are trying to pass a law that says you may not smoke outside at all... .not even in your own back yard....

wow... that is the first of decisions I don't want made for me...


Hi Mrs Red.

I live in Maine,  I had not heard about this law you are talking about.  The law that just passed last week was by the city of Bangor,  You cannot smoke in your vehicle while children are present inside the vehicle.

You cannot smoke in any public restaurants or even bars here.
You cannot smoke in any buildings, malls, offices or whatever.
I had not heard about  banning smoking in your own back yard.


Hey Ms... that stance is being advocated a little further south..... on the border, shall we say??? Below Portland....


Title: Barack Obama Throws His Hat Into The Ring
Post by: justinsmama on January 30, 2007, 09:06:45 PM
This ain't Obama related but... I agree that there should be no smoking in a vehicle with children in it. And I agree that smoking should be banned in public buildings (almost wrote that as pubic buidings!) and at the entrances to them. I felt this way long before I considered stopping smoking. Cigarette smike kills.


Title: Barack Obama Throws His Hat Into The Ring
Post by: justinsmama on January 30, 2007, 09:08:52 PM
smike = smoke  :oops:


Title: Barack Obama Throws His Hat Into The Ring
Post by: MsVada on January 31, 2007, 08:10:43 AM
In  an adoption course I took,  we learned that smoking inside your vehicle weather there are children present or not,  the smoke lingers inside for 12 hours afterwards.  Thats a long time!


Title: Barack Obama Throws His Hat Into The Ring
Post by: A's Fever on January 31, 2007, 11:56:46 AM
Smoking is a public health issue and as such can be regulated by government agencies, although it is legal.  Alcohol also is a legal drug, but restrictions apply.


Title: Barack Obama Throws His Hat Into The Ring
Post by: SunnyinTX on January 31, 2007, 01:18:45 PM
Quote from: "LouiseVargas"
Today on FOX, I heard Dick Morris being interviewed. I searched the FOX website to try to find the transcripts but I can't find 'em. I've heard him make political predictions before.

What I heard (not an exact quote): Morris said, "Hillary Clinton will be the next President. She will have a race with Obama but in the end, he will be her vice president."


God help us all if Hillary wins...which I think is doubtful...there are so many Democratic candidates  with their hats in the ring...and Mitt Romney jsut threw his in this morning


Title: Barack Obama Throws His Hat Into The Ring
Post by: SunnyinTX on January 31, 2007, 01:21:59 PM
Quote from: "mrs. red"
LV... the misery index was created specifically when Carter was president.  It indexs the unemployment, inflation, interest rates, etc... during a president's tenure.  Under Carter it was the highes that this country has ever known... interest rates for buying homes was 21%, unemployment was at an all time high, and everyone was struggling.... in ways we can't even think of remembering now.... there were still people during that time that didn't have things we think of as necessities which back then were luxury items... (or considered to be).

The American athletes were not allowed to participate in the Olympics because Carter wanted to show those hard-liners that we would be tough..... and of course there was the kidnapping of the Americans.  

That my dear is the misery index.....

and I know you think we botched this war in Iraq... but I think the media would like us to believe that it is hopeless.... I think there is more to the good than we will ever hear... and let's face it, as Gulliani says - if Iraq wasn't important in brining democracy, peace ... some HOPE to that region, the terrorist insurgents wouldn't be fighting so adamently to keep it under their rule... Like it or not, if we just tuck our tail and run, that is when we will all be under the burka rules....

we have to finish and stay strong.... if the media and US had acted this way during the world wars, we would be speaking Japanese or German....


BRAVO Mrs. Red!!!


Title: Barack Obama Throws His Hat Into The Ring
Post by: SunnyinTX on January 31, 2007, 01:28:09 PM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
Anna's post here is a classic example of how the truth can hurt and I only wish our polticians had to read this ten times over !


Well said NONE...and as usual Anna is right on top of things...thank you Anna for all you do and all you share with us.