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From the previous thread:


Yes, it's been verified he was at work

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Bringing this to the new thread

 ::MonkeyAngel:: Justice is coming Haleigh.

Justice is coming, sweet HaLeigh! 

 :smt060  pinky swear!  :smt060


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Thanks Brandi

Bringing this over as well because to be honest, its bugging the heck out of me

Quote from: Cappuccino on Today at 04:58:13 PM
OK my hinky meter has just tipped again....this may have to be carried over to the new thread.   If Misty was so afraid of Joe as she claims then why did she go to Tennessee?   Was that not right after she was in Florida with Donna B?
Exactly she went there for a couple weeks to visit grandma.

Did it come out that he had been off for awhile and went somewhere else before coming home?

sheriff said that "could" be the place that she passed away at and that he "hopes" to be able to make an arrest in the case? Did they just tell where she was put and not any other details of the night?

I have my doubts about Greg Page when the letter is considered.  Is he a participant in the happenings encompassing that fateful night?

Janet

I don't think Misty was/is afraid of Joe. I think Misty is in this up to her neck. I think she was a participant. JMO.

I agree & that is exactly why it is so glaring

Thanks Janet - was it determined/verified that he is THE "white boy Greg"?  I really don't remember.

If my memory serves me Klaas - sorry to but in - but yes that is White Boy Greg.

yes. I believe it was. At least to my satisfaction.

Yes Brandi - I believe so too
His Face was brought in early within the findings and his Pic was on Blinks site too - that is how I recall " White Boy Greg" ...the nicknames are hard to forget ..

That girl is only afraid of her own neck being on the chopping block.  JMO  Double Ditto on the participation part.  IMO they only take you out of jail to confirm a location for one reason.

There is also a news video out there with a reporter interviewing him. It was early on in the case, IIRC. Same person.

Sheriff: Haleigh case a homicide investigation
Reported by: Neill Vining
Email: avining@ActionNewsJax.com
Last Update: 4:45 pm


Haleigh Cummings SATSUMA, Fla. -- Sheriff Jeff Hardy released new details in the search for Haleigh Cummings saying now that he is comfortable calling the case a homicide investigation.

Hardy said the search will end at 6 p.m. tonight. Items have been recovered from the search site and sent to a crime lab for analysis. A collection of interviews with witnesses and items recovered have led investigators to believe that Haleigh is no longer alive.

The Sheriff said that there are several persons of interest in the case.


"People are starting to cooperate," Hardy said. "People are starting to talk." He said rumors that a suspect is in custody are not true.

A tip led detectives to an area off of County Road 309 in Satsuma - five miles from where Haleigh is believed to have vanished.

"It's our belief that it's a very real possibility (that Haleigh died in this area)," Hardy said.

The Sheriff said that there have been between 15 and 35 divers in the water everyday. He described them using their bare hands to search a very dense area of the St. Johns River. "It's like looking for a needle in a haystack."

Sheriff Hardy would not talk about specific items that were taken from the scene but said some of the items were cleared right away by an anthropologist on site. Others will be sent for analysis.

In regards to Joe Overstreet, a cousin of Misty Croslin, the last known person to see Haleigh alive, the Sheriff said he's been interviewed. He has obtained an attorney and is not currently in police custody. Overstreet was known to be in the area at the time Haleigh disappeared and was questioned by police several days later. His name surfaced again this week when rumors of investigators questioning someone in Nashville, Tennesee began.

"We've worked as hard from day 1 as we are today," Hardy said. "I am confident that I am not going to give up on this little girl and her family."

I think so too

I think when she went to TN she and Joe got their stories down pat. 

I keep thinking it was Joe and Misty bouncing on the couch that Jr. heard.....I do not put that past Misty if she was in her drug " no"mind  night. ::MonkeyNoNo::

FloridaYiaYia has been tweeting. She has said she is HaLeigh's advocate.

FloridaYiaYia tweets

# HaLeigh is in God's arms. Pray for HaLeighs family.HaLeigh, would want us to do this. Pray for HaLeigh's daddy.     36 minutes ago  via web

#
 
Please, pray for all of HaLeigh's family.God bless you HaLeigh. about 3 hours ago via web

#
 
Lies have a way of costing you a great deal. HaLeigh is a beautiful 5 year old baby girl.This kind of hate is EVIL. about 3 hours ago via web

 #
 
People, and I use this term loosely,spread lies about HaLeighs family do not know the meaning of ETHICS.Shame on you! about 3 hours ago via web

#
 
HeLeigh's family is going through hell on earth.How can some blame and hate HaLeighs father so blindly?Shame on you!

Edit: Add link previously ommited. MB
FloridaYiaYia
Name Rebecca
http://twitter.com/FloridaYiaYia

Bringing over the links to the presser, thanks to Heart:

Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/user/Sierra1947#p/a/u/1/LbJk9jLiy3I

Part 2
http://www.youtube.com/user/Sierra1947#p/a/u/0/cYu1Q930PhY

Here are my notes from replaying the videos:

Items were recovered & sent to "several independent labs for analysis."

Materials were analyzed on scene by an anthropologist & a lot of non evidence cleared on the spot.
(Even spoke of finding alligator toe nails)

Regarding a question about the Persons of interest: 
"I'm just going to say several."

People starting to co-operate/talk.

"Very real possibility she died in this area."

Regarding Joe O.  "He has an attorney and has lawyered up."

"At this point I'm comfortable to go ahead and say that I'm going to call it a homicide."

Regarding a question about Misty:
"I think she's come to realize she's in trouble."

Forgot the link, sorry.

FloridaYiaYia
Name Rebecca
http://twitter.com/FloridaYiaYia

Hey, yall went off and left me.  I had to go play wifey and prepare a few vittles for the night, earn my keep  ::MonkeyHaHa::

snipped from http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=7184.msg1113289#msg1113289

Worse than organized crime......!
--------------------------------------------
i think that is exactly the case
 i think the drugs, and  the drug dealing, doctor shopping clan
is what caused Haleigh death, when i found out that JO and the
others were into drug dealing, and gang banging,( i always suspected RC
was involved with drug dealing with the gangs, or is a member, of folk
nation), anyway something went wrong with a lets say a collection,
and Haleigh payed the price, and now that the truth is coming out,
im sure we will hear about, some bad happenings to the clan,when a gang member
gets talked on/ratted out, payback can be...............
that is why, no one would talk, the chumps are afraid for their lives

Haleigh, i think finally justice will prevail
rest in peace sweet child

White boy Greg - yes it's coming back to me now that he is verified to be THE one:

Video at the link too  ::MonkeyCool::

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/topstories/news-article.aspx?storyid=145521&catid=3

Palatka Man Speaks Out About Haleigh Case
 Jessica Clark  Taren Reed     Created: 9/23/2009 6:03:19 PM    Updated: 9/23/2009 6:54:04 PM

PUTNAM COUNTY, FL -- A Palatka man is speaking out about his relationship with Haleigh Cummings' stepmother.

Greg Page says he and Misty Croslin spent time together just days before Haleigh disappeared. The 29-year-old says his mother introduced him to Misty shortly before Haleigh vanished.

Page told First Coast News, "The weekend before [Haleigh disappeared], Misty came over with a friend, Nay Nay, and we hung out and she left."

Page said he and Misty had a sexual encounter.

Misty has since married Haleigh's father, Ronald Cummings.

Page, who goes by the street name 'White Boy Greg,' has been interviewed by investigators several times regarding the Haleigh case and about his relationship with Misty Croslin-Cummings.

Page was arrested Tuesday night and charged with drug possession in Palatka. He told First Coast News police questioned him again about the little girl.

"They just asked me where she was at. I told them, 'I don't know,'" Page explained, "I said if I knew I would've disclosed that information to the cops."

Page added that he has not spoken to Misty since Haleigh vanished. Meanwhile, investigators are working on another lead.

Major Gary Bowling with the Putnam County Sheriff's Office said Misty's brother told them that the night Haleigh disappeared, Haleigh's father called him, asking him to check on Misty and the kids.

Bowling said Croslin told them Ronald Cummings had earlier called Misty about 20 times and could not get her on the phone.

Bowling said Croslin went to the house where Misty, Haleigh, and Haleigh's little brother were supposed to be. Croslin said the house was dark and quiet.

So does this mean Misty was not at home when she claims she was? Bowling said her brother feels she was not there.

"It is one of two or three very viable theories," Bowling explained. "It's a valid theory that she was not at home. This [information from Croslin] seems to corroborate that theory."

For a couple days this week, Misty Croslin-Cummings has not been at home in Welaka where she lives with her husband, his grandmother, and her stepson.

Responding to reports that Misty had skipped town, Misty's Attorney, Robert Fields, says she's taken a couple days to go to Universal Studios in Orlando with a friend.

As for Page, he maintains he does not know what happened to Haleigh. He said he never met the child, and he wished he had not met Misty Croslin-Cummings.

"It was a mistake. I wish I had never got caught up with that girl. It's been turmoil ever since," Page said.



Adding the NayNay's letter here for reference:
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Wow, finally caught up.
So, are they leaving the crime scene for good or just for the day?

Whoever is involved in the crime and withheld this info. is never going to see the light of day.

UNCUT: Sheriff Says Haleigh Likely Dead
http://www.news4jax.com/video/23164556/index.html

I think as the Sheriff said she finally realizes she is in BIG trouble....he said no deals that he knows of.....but I think he should have added YET! Ditto from me too!!

Pill Mill Bust Includes Jacksonville
Federal Investigators Say 7 States Involved In Operations

POSTED: Thursday, April 15, 2010
UPDATED: 6:10 pm EDT April 15, 2010

JACKSONVILLE, Fla. -- Federal investigators said they've busted "pill mill" operations in seven states, including one in Jacksonville.

The operations make it easy for people to get highly addictive painkillers and anti-anxiety drugs.

Investigators said the ringleaders of the operations were in the Atlanta area and in Cleveland.

Undercover agents said they got drugs often without an exam and sometimes even without talking to a doctor.

Investigators said the operations netted millions of dollars in profits.

One of the companies named in the indictment is Brennan and DePaoli, doing business as Delta Health.

Its office is off Southpoint Parkway on the Southside. No one was available for comment.

http://www.news4jax.com/news/23165402/detail.html

I wonder how long we will have to wait to find the results of the analysis on the "evidence." I know it can be weeks, but I sure hope it won't be too long.

*sigh*

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Not only that, but I can't help but feel how many other versions of what happened that night will come up?

HUGE report on what we already know w/photos AND dozens of links to past reports
http://www.news4jax.com/news/23160821/detail.html

Sheriff: Haleigh case a homicide investigation
By Ann O'Neill, CNN
April 15, 2010 6:32 p.m. EDT

However, police have stopped short of naming Croslin as a suspect. In televised interviews, Croslin has said she does not know what happened to Haleigh but believes "the other side of the family" knows where she is.

more...

http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/04/15/haleigh.cummings.search/?hpt=Sbin

True!

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Deenie- Your post on the last thread brought tears to my eyes!  I don't know how to bring it over from the last thread, but I feel you summed up beautifully what others here are feeling! ::MonkeyWink::

On a personal note my daughter is 5 and the pics of Haleigh are chilling.  My daughter has the exact same pj's and shirt and they resemble each other.  I think someone did love her and buy her cute clothes.  IIRC those 2 outfits were from Target and she looked precious in them.  Probably a grandma that did the shopping for her cute little outfits.

Looks like we have to wait for JVM and NG's Bombshells now. 

Or if any of them can remember clearly.

 ::MonkeyAngel::  Brandi could you do an angel like this with HaLeigh's face in the middle.   Thanks,

The arrests will not some soon enough for me and then we will be able to have info from the Sunshine Law.

Ugh...Im afraid we're in "holding mode" for a bit longer.

HLN JVM coveirng it now & also Jennifer Kesse's parents will be on.

Heart, I am going to ask that articles/links not pertaining to Haleigh's case NOT be posted. There is enough going on in this case now to keep everyone busy reading. We do not need the clutter of every crime/drug bust/sex offender arrested in the State of Florida. If it does not pertain directly to Haleigh's case...put it elsewhere. Thank you.

I'm with you Brandi.  I hope this has a priority & they can get the results quickly.  But I guess it all depends on what the evidence is & what the tests are.  I'm sure if they have "several" persons of interest, they want to able to move as quickly as possible.

Since he said the items were sent to "several independent labs for analysis", I can only hope they found enough for a conviction.

I look forward to their announcement of arrests in this case.

Wow how will Joe handle what his Nanny said?  What did Joe say to her after the interview?   Anybody catch it?

Hopefully this also means it will be handled swiftly and we will know the results sooner than if they were just relying on the police labs.

Was kinda waiting to be sure the evidence they found was confirmed to be Haleigh.

But I'll post one in a bit.

AH on JVM: TC called FH and confirmed that it was Joe

AH: MC told FH she was at the dock pointing out where the murder weapon was.

JVM: Why would MC know where the knife was?

I didn't catch the exact phrase, but it didn't sound very good!  I probably wouldn't be able to post it anyway.

does anyone still have the link to TN to see if JO has been picked up
tya

Cuss word (did not hear that), don't come down here no more.

Good one - If Misty's mouth is moving she is lying. 

Amen to that, Faith. 

Did others just see this toothless grandmother saying Joe called her to say "dont be f'n calling..." hours after his presser outside yesterday.   Why do I get the impression that she was coercing Tommy to say what he did, if he indeed said it (jail recording will confirm)?

Now, what the heck would she expect him to say as his own grandmother accused him of something heinous?  Id be "fixin" to tell her to take a hike at the very least.   Why is she siding with two grandchildren & not the other....this with what Ive been pondering all day that Misty went to Tennessee for a few weeks (apparently not fearing Tommy).

No, gotta say Mike Brooks he may have a lawyer but he's not "lawyered up," as phrased, apparently Joe has had his attorney for a few years.


Wow Grandma states she heard two stories, that Misty left Ron's pills out & the other is that Joe supposedly raped her....now mind you this woman is sort of grinning as she says this & I am completely repulsed way too muchkin fuch  past my tolerance with THESE PEOPLE!!!!

So again, she wasnt "passed out" -- Im calling BS & frame it all on Joe, no doubt in my mind now.

He called her "f"in lyin ho....but said it in complete words

I keep thinking back to the 911 call and how Ron seemed to not want to talk to the operator but became very frustrated when Misty was not communicating smoothly with them.....how he threw temper tantrums as to get them off of the phone hanging up on the operator and trying to get Misty to talk to them when they called back...I think back to the Greta interview and how Ron was so all over Misty as to be making sure that she got the story straight....and how that she looked to him on the today show and his jaw was clinching....you notice after 2 interviews with Misty and her messing up you never saw Misty in another interview it was always Teresa after that.....everything that they asked Ron he said that he did not know that he was at work..okay but he knows that Joe was not there ? How does he know that if he was at work...he should have had a better idea of what Haleigh was wearing that day than of who was at the trailer since he saw her earlier that day...Ron's behavior to me has said cover up from the get go ....why I do not know...I believe that he loved his children....but I also believe that he is involved in this too , only he is better at covering up and setting up ...the look on is face the other day when he came out of the family meeting was ...well.....lets just say that it was ::MonkeyEek::

TJ Ward just texted me from the panel - he's on JVM

http://www.wsmv.com/news/23152983/detail.html

http://www.nashville-sheriff.net/

just thought of something, remember the video guy, pappa/poppa
joe, wonder what he knows, man i bet that trapped feeling RC,MC,TC,
are feeling, is unbearable, and wishing they had a pill or 2
since those guys cant get outta dodge, i hope linsey does

he's lower right - bottom box.

He LVA's Misty

Now AH is saying the murder weapon was a rope.   ::MonkeyEek::  ::MonkeyShocked::

And this is the very person Misty stayed with while in TN ( her Grandma Hollar)


I think the reason they are saying Jo lawyered up is because in the presser today, that is the phrase that was used.

"He has an attorney and has lawyered up".

OK...the world is spinning on its axis, I found myself agreeing with Levi Page on JVM talking about Tommy & Misty lying - putting this on Joe & where is the motive, why now after 14 months ::MonkeyEek::

now they are saying that she was killed with a rope...

O I just caught an oppsie on my part, I meant not fearing Joe

thanks I can't believe someone would call their grandmother a %hore! 

TJ gets five seconds and blows the case open - Misty told him there was blood in the van but said it was deer blood

 ::MonkeyEek::

first mention ever of bodily fluids other than urine!

I have to say that when Joe was sitting in that chair and broke down & started crying, I could not help but to think of Scott Peterson.

Grandma doesn't seem to be afraid of Joe

Thank you Rob.  I'll watch for him.

In my world a murder would cause so much adrenalin flowing through my veins that it would 'allow' me to remember every gory detail of what was going on. Misty would have to have been near comatose when the police got there to be so messed up that she can't remember things. I call BS on anything she says she can't recall. Cmon, how stupid does she think people are?

If it was human blood, why did LE not keep it.  LE had custody of the van for quite some time.

I knew that's what you meant Capp.   ::MonkeyAngel::

I set up a blog for TJ in the last few days - he wants to put the LVA record online. I will get the rest of this story tomorrow or later tonight regarding the blood Misty says was in the van.

here is the blogspot - it's not entirely set up yet - but here is the spot.

http://tjwardpi.blogspot.com/

I have set it up for use and it's ready - as soon as he post soon stuff I will let you all know.

I imagine Grandma has a few of her own six shooters.

Again, meaning Misty is giving details which blows her original story of being passed out & not remembering anything not only a heinous lie BUT she was at the least an accessory.   Its still not adding up.

He should have added "crazy". She has been dishing out disinformation non stop. AND WHY IS SHE SMILING? I can't take much more of any of these people.........

Heart - I have no idea - I was walking out the door and he texted me. It's the first I have heard of this and we talk everyday. Sometimes all day.

Thanks Rob.  Great Job.  Looking forward to reading it.

I don't have a link offhand, but there was mention of deer blood in the van at one time, a long, long time ago. 

I would bet they luminol'd the van as well as the trailer home & if it was human blood, people would have been rolling over a year ago...thats my gut on that point.

Capp - I don't know - he just said it. We talk everyday and he never mentioned this before. I know it's not adding up but maybe it's on the LVA record. This has happened in the past when talking about cases. Some things just don't seem all that important and then get brought up later. Sometimes we're talking about something and the direction changes - and maybe he has a point that he didn't mention because the course of the conversation changed.

He's a brilliant guy - super brilliant. I trust him imperatively.

Thanks,Rob.   ::MonkeyCool::

 MrLucky917
 
@Whereishaleigh It's a duel weapon called a ropeknife or a kniferope   2 minutes ago via web in reply to Whereishaleigh

Hey all you wondeful Monkeys ... haven't been logged in for a while ... as my avatar will indicate ... but just want to let all you fabulous Monkey  ::MonkeyGavel::sleuths know that I do check in evey now and then to keep up on this case.  Had to get some distance from it because it was bothering me so much!  Thanks for all your hard work.  Was seriously hoping this latest break would bring Haleigh home.  Now I guess we're back to wait and see .... anyway, just wanted to say hi to y'all!  ::MonkeyDance::

and maybe a double barrel or 2 lol

We heard about deer blood in the van very early in the case. I remember it.

Just doing a quick search, and here are some posts discussing Misty, deer, blood and van.  I'll need a bit of time to find the origin.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5532.msg926394#msg926394

This was requested:

cece - I was on my way out and he texted - plans changed.  ::MonkeyHaHa:: Last night he was pissed that he wasn't on NG and he hates her. And gets paid $150 and doesn't say anything.

Seems like a good deal to me. However, I think I'll be posting most of the tech stuff for him... he has a guy that is a techie - but he doesn't seem to know what a blogspot is - or claims he doesn't.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

here is his website - http://www.tjwardpi.com/aboutus.asp

he was hired by Jug Twitty and Beth Holloway - formally Twitty.

 ::HelloKitty::
Glad to see ya!  And hope you can stick around.


 ::MonkeyAngel::

i think i asked b4 did le test to make sure it was animal blood

Naturally my phone rang, but someone on JVM said that Ron told them that Joe enjoyed feeding animals to the alligators in the river.
He's as sick and despicable as the rest of them.

I dont have the link either but I have heard of this at least 2 times before tonight. It was suppose to be deer blood from one of MCs brothers deer hunting.

Just catching up.  Thanks Rob.

Hi Nut ::MonkeyCheer4::  thanks this is a great reference page ::MonkeyKiss::

yes that gator river thing has me concerned with evidence
ie human remains after 14 months

Mr Lucky is on Insession's where granny panties rules between coffee breaks.  ::MonkeyDevil::

Nice website.  And I've bookmarked the blogspot, so just give us the word when he adds to it.  And thank you again for the info.

I found mention of monkeys discussing it but am trying to go back farther in the search, but it's slow going.  I'm amazed I'm able to search at all with the heavy traffic right now.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5532.msg926394#msg926394

Tangled Case Tough To Solve Without Body

By
Sam Jordan
@ April 15, 2010 6:55 PM

Without a body, solving the Haleigh Cummings case will be a real challenge for police and prosecutors.

WOKV Legal Analyst Mark Rubin says there's a legal term called Corpus Selecti, which says you have must have a body to convict someone of a murder, but it's not absolute.

"The only exception to that is if there can be circumstantial evidence, in other words overwhelming proof without a body that a crime was committed," said Rubin.

Rubin says the case is very complicated due to there being so many people involved, and unreliable witnesses within a dysfunctional family.

http://wokv.com/localnews/2010/04/tangled-case-tough-to-solve-wi.html

Now it is a ropeknife, wth is that now. First knife, then rope, now ropeknife, does anyone really know what is going on?  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Rob Im not questioning TJ, Im questioning Misty & Tommy's story.   I just cannot see if this was human blood how something that glaring would be missed by LE.   If there was blood, regardless of what they were "told" one would think it would have been tested.   Like you said, maybe more light will be shed on this point.

Thanks Rob!   ::MonkeyCool::

HOT DAMN!!! ::MonkeyGavel::

Thanks Rob....I book marked so let's us know!!

I have a lot of respect for TJ Ward.   ::rhino::

It's early yet but it seems like if Joe was such a psycho, holding a knife and raping MC..then savagely killing Haleigh in cold blood cause he couldn't steal a gun, where are all the other stories of him getting nutz?   That was his first and last time to go beserk?  Does his record show lots of unprovoked violence, revenge stuff...anything like that?
He doesn't go home and brag some to his hommies, even if he left out the murder part, nothing about being a gangsta in Fl.

I would be willing to bet a whole lot that they DID!!  The LE have gotten a lot of raps on the head over these past months...but I do believe they have done everything they could do....and haven't given up!!

It's Prof. Plum in the study with the kniferopegun!

all he said was .....HOT DAMN!!!

well that just brought the bile to my throat...after reading Red Rose's tweet about a slaughter

Hey!  Long time no see.  We had Valium Kitty out yesterday!  Don't recall why but it sure did make me laugh and than I see your Avatar lol.

I'm sure this has already been posted but posting again for those just catching up now:

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/os-haleigh-cummings-dead-20100415,0,6269630.story

Haleigh Cummings dead, authorities say
Misty Croslin’s grandmother said she passed along leads from Misty to investigators.

By Anthony Colarossi and Sarah Lundy, Orlando Sentinel

7:09 PM EDT, April 15, 2010

After more than a year of chasing leads in the disappearance of 5-year-old Haleigh Cummings, Putnam County Sheriff Jeff Hardy said Thursday the girl is "most likely dead" and detectives are investigating her case as a homicide.

"Over the past few weeks information has been obtained by investigators that lead them to believe Haleigh Cummings is most likely deceased," Hardy said during a brief news conference near the St. Johns River near Satsuma where investigators concluded a third day of searching and diving for evidence.

Hardy said Haleigh's former stepmother, Misty Croslin, is still the key to the case and that investigators had identified several "persons of interest."

Hardy would not identify those persons. No arrests have been made.

Detectives brought Croslin to the riverside on Wednesday, though it's unclear what she told them. She is being held in the St. Johns County Jail on unrelated drug trafficking charges.

It's a "very real possibility" Haleigh died within the search area, Hardy said.

Fourteen months after Haleigh disappeared in February 2009, people involved in the case are starting to break down and talk, Hardy said, and he included Croslin in that group.

"I think she's come to realize she's in trouble," Hardy said, adding that he noticed a shift in Croslin's demeanor following her January arrest.

Croslin was the last person to see Haleigh before she vanished from her father's Satsuma home. She was last seen Feb. 9, 2009.

In the past few weeks, detectives received information that led them to believe that the girl is dead, Hardy said.

The sheriff would not say who delivered a tip that led deputies to search the river.

However, Flora Hollars, grandmother of Misty Croslin and Joseph Overstreet, acknowledged Thursday that she shared information she learned from talks with Misty with investigators in Florida.

"Every time I talk to her [Croslin], I get a little bit more and a little bit more," Hollars said by phone from Nashville, Tenn. She declined to comment what she has been told by her granddaughter.

But Hollars did say, "I even told them [investigators] where to go search at . . . I know a yellow rope was supposed to be there."

She said she was sure authorities would find valuable evidence at the scene near Satsuma this week.

"I was certain of it," she said. "It's time to stop hurting."

Overstreet is a cousin of Croslin's who lives near Nashville, Tenn. Overstreet was in a dispute with Haleigh's father, Ronald Cummings, when Cummings accused him of stealing a gun. Overstreet moved back to Antioch, Tenn., after Haleigh disappeared. He was interviewed by detectives and was not called a suspect at that time.

Earlier this week, investigators from Florida interviewed Overstreet with his attorney. At a news conference at his lawyer's Nashville office Wednesday, Overstreet said Florida authorities interviewed him for 30 minutes Tuesday night.

He has not been charged with any crime and said he doesn't know what happened to the child.

"If I knew who did it, I would go straight and call the cops and tell them who did it," he said.

Shawn Sirgo, Overstreet's attorney, could not be reached for comment Thursday.

Between 15 and 30 divers took part in the searches this week in water and riverside areas that had not previously been looked at, the sheriff said. They found "everything from alligator toe nails to you name it," he said. "It's like looking for a needle in a haystack."

Investigators recovered items during their latest search, but it was not known if they're related to Haleigh's disappearance. The items do not include skeletal remains, Hardy said. They are being analyzed by criminal labs.

He declined to say what items were removed from the river or what type of testing was to be performed. An anthropologist was on scene to help investigators determine what might be potential evidence.

Just before the searching ended Thursday, Hardy said his department is committed to closing this case with an arrest.

"We're trying to bring somebody to justice for this little girl and her family," he said. "I am confident. I am not going to give up on this little girl and her family."

Him not having other run ins with violent acts does not bother me at all. IF he is a psychpath (or something close to that) he is well trained in how to behave in public - that picture of him pissed without blowing up at the presser is a prime example. These people just act out when they can win. the rest of the time they fly just under the radar - add to that they fact that all the players in this situation are no strangers to violence and there you go.

yes i just dont remember, i just remember pics

One more repeat:

http://www.wftv.com/news/23164194/detail.html

Detectives Now Believe Haleigh Was Killed

Posted: 4:27 pm EDT April 15, 2010Updated: 6:01 pm EDT April 15, 2010
PUTNAM COUNTY, Fla. -- Investigators in Putnam County made a major announcement late Thursday afternoon. Detectives in the case of missing girl Haleigh Cummings said they officially believe the child has been killed.

"Info has been received that leads them to believe Haleigh Cummings is likely deceased," Putnam County Sheriff Jeff Hardy said during a news conference.

For the third day in a row, crews searched in the Saint John’s River just a few miles from Haleigh's home in Satsuma, where she disappeared last February.

The sheriff acknowledged what many people have feared for the past 14 months, that the disappearance of Haleigh Cummings is a homicide.

Investigators on foot and on boats, even divers in the water, continued to scour the area Thursday, just five miles from where the girl disappeared.

"They come down here a couple times a day," area resident Warren White said.

White has watched investigators go by his property. He and other neighbors wondered when some answers would come.

"I hope they find her. Son of a gun, it's too bad," White said.

Investigators are being very cautious in their search. Every time a boat comes near the area, they're forced all the way to the other side of the river away from the crime scene.

Officials said Haleigh's former stepmother, Misty Croslin, could be in trouble. Misty was brought to the scene from jail where's she's being held on drug charges. She was the last person known to see the girl alive.

During a jailhouse call, Misty pointed the finger at one of her relatives. She claimed her cousin, Joe Overstreet, took Haleigh, but he says that’s lie.

Overstreet was in Putnam County when Haleigh disappeared, but left for Tennessee soon after.

Investigators won't say exactly what they've found or what evidence they have, but they are moving closer to an arrest.

"The investigative team has identified persons of interest in this case," Sheriff Hardy said. "People are starting to cooperate, that's why I've told people it's only a matter of time. It's a good thing. People are starting to talk."

The sheriff would not name who they suspect, only saying they suspect several people. He did say they have not found bones during the most recent searches, just a few items that could be part of the case.

"It's like looking for a needle in a haystack," Hardy said. "But we're willing to take the effort and time to look for the needle."

Officials were finishing the search Thursday evening.

Ok everyone try to have a pleasant evening, Im gonna take a break but will check in later  ::MonkeyAngel::

Ok - TJ just called back.

He's wife had some kind of stomach problem yesterday but she is feeling better. I'm not gonna go into too much what happened there - but prayers for Doody. She is outta the hospital but pissed at TJ  ::MonkeyHaHa:: poor guy!  ::MonkeyTongue::

The blood is talked about on the LVA along with other things that have never been heard.

We should have the result of the Layered Voice Analysis online in the next day or two.

As I understand it there is alot to hear on this tape and it is all LVA'd. The results are all there. It shows when Misty is lying and stressed and may show when she tells the truth.

I hope to have a conversation with John to post it tomorrow.

I hear ya. Guess there's always got to be a first time but that's a lot of hours of intense mayhem for a person....but I do see your point

Thanks Rob.  It will be interesting, to say the least.  And I hope T.J.'s wife has a full recovery. 

NG reporting that police know what murder weapon is.

(Where does she get this???)

NG: Anonymous sources say that LE now know what the murder weapon was.

Thanks Capp & enjoy your evening as well.   ::MonkeyAngel::

Thank you & prayers for his wife.   ::MonkeyAngel::

Wonder if it is a knife, a rope or a kniferope?

Mine looks kind of like this.  (http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:fFotRMdfiJYf1M:http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_IFKQSFFFbQk/SY_YRdiws8I/AAAAAAAAAJE/WaUe52fkehk/s400/DSCF2001.JPG)

Nancy Grace..... she still  says that it is not Ronald Cummings

That is so beautiful Brandi. 
 ::MonkeyAngel::

Flora on NG

Anybody ready for grandma Flora she is on NG.  ::MonkeyEek::  Bet anything she is looking for the reward money.

Wonderful picture to carry with all of us - Haleigh is now out of pain and out of the hands of the monsters that had her on earth!

I never heard of a kniferope is that like a jackolope? 

Rumor is it is the rope that has been coming up the past couple days....

I had to come and say I am glad there is movement in the case and may HaLeigh rest in peace now and justice for her be swift and strong.

If/When TC called Grandma and said that he had something to tell her she should have kept quiet and let him talk instead she said I know what you are going to say maybe he was going to tell her that he or Misty did it...and she jumped in with Joe...UGH

I know, it is obvious Joe is not her favorite.

  or a snipe

Why would these sick monsters murder Haleigh a beautiful innocent child. This is pure evil..... I am beyond furious.. This is sick.. And Misty the monster for 11 months in the presence of JR and knew full well what happened to Haleigh.... Where was JR at this time..

God Bless Haleigh.. ::MonkeyAngel::

i've heard that before where she says she knows there was blood but that it was deer blood because either they hit or shot a deer i don't remember which

Beautiful Brandi, thank you!

Is new info on JVM and ng is too much to take.  The speculation of them putting deer blood on the body so the alligators would take her quicker...the rope as murder weapon etc.  If they did this the only justice suitable for these monsters is for them to be put to death in the same exact manner.

Sorry just sick over hearing these things and my anger and disgust at misty and whoever helped her is overwhelming.  Bottom line, she is the one they had at the dock so she knows.  She is guilty.   ::MonkeyMad::

Capp - I understand. I just got off the phone AGAIN with him... and maybe they did miss something here - the operative is -MAYBE.

I have no idea and don't want to lead anyone anywhere cause I don't know. Please read my words as I type them.

I may know more tomorrow and I have given John the passwords to the blogspot and he is ready to transfer some info - when he is ready.

wrapped a yellow rope around Haleigh, and she was thrown in the river per Grandma Flo

IS EVERYONE WATCHING NG????
what? what
what is this woman saying?????

Something else, I don't know what to think about all this.

Did you see the picture of Gma and MC behind her on the wall in the interview?

A whole lotta BS!

FH cannot tell NG who in Florida told her that MC hit HaLeigh in the head with a piece of wood or something like that.

Well we can see where MC got not being able to keep her stories straight.

Wow good NG for a change.  Great video clips of the suspects beautiful video's of Haleigh.  And tearing it up again.

second version--MC knocked her in the head and killed her, JO and Tommy threw her into the water   WTH is going on here.

I'm with you!

And one version was that Misty knocked her in the head (with a board) & Tommy & Joe got rid of her.

(Flora's words, not mine!)

Story count so far 3 from Misty/ 1 from TC    not one of them gives a reason  except the " she got into some drugs" one  WOWSER

Who in the He77 gets information like FLora said she got in the 3 different versions and doesn't ask why what where? now we know where MC got " I  don't know from" ......this just makes me want to scream!

And supposedly given that story in the last couple of days.  Because when asked what story she was told first, it was the one that Tommy told her Sunday.
She raised Misty for awhile, I would hate to think she is throwing Jo to the wolves to save her,
but sure looks like it.

it was in the lva but also mentioned earlier supposedly they killed a deer and supposedly misty saw it

So no knife,just rope and block?I am so confused. 

Not hard to see that the whole clan are a bunch of loser liars  ::MonkeyNoNo::

A rope knife is used to cut rigging and ropes...for sailing.

Granny is confused also it appears  ::MonkeyNoNo::

(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/monkeysmileavatar.gif)

Tied her with a rope, tied a cement block on her and threw her in the river.
But WHY?
She's saying Joe and Tommy did it, but didn't tell them why.
Now she just says none of them are POI's or suspects. What?

How scary is that knife  ::MonkeyEek::

this is getting ridiculous there actually is such a thing and it is used by sailors
http://www.amazon.com/Mora-Craftline-Serrated-Blade-Knife/dp/B002PNH8AU

Amazingly, that knife is called a Sheffield.

Here is another one and I pray that Haleigh was not aware of what was happening...if there is any mercy left in this world...I pray that the little sweetheart was unconscious.

At least Nancy is keeping her venom inside until she gets what she wants from Granny.... can't wait to hear her lovelorn shout out to Ron at the end.   ::MonkeyWink::

Can't wait  ::MonkeyTongue::  Granny needs to shut up.

Tommy says that Joe did it.....Misty says that Tommy was in on it too.....I remember in the begining MC was trying to blame Joe and she said that if Joe was involved that Tommy was too because that Joe did not know his way around Satsuma....but Joe used to visit Croslins at the residence? So much BS!

OMG ...did ya'll hear NG ....NOT RONALD...geeze

Nancy even if it is Ron it still goes down the same way. 

  Yeah but this is the most info we've gotten in real words, not tricky press releases.........keep her yakkin!

Hi Monkeys. Thanks for all of your posts.  Watching NG...I'd say Grannie needs a LVA...geeze, I never knew there was a gene that was passed down for lying.

does nancy have on a handcuff necklace?

what kind of story is this?  I think flora believes it
did I hear NG say she wants everyone to know misty, tommy and joe are not persons of interest in the Haleigh cummings murder case?

That is what it looks like to me

Me either, but I guess there is  ::MonkeyEek::

Yes, we have a birdseye view of the bs as it spews directly out of the old bat’s mouth………I’d rather view it from the source than hear of it second hand.

And didn't she say one the versions Misty told her just this morning?  I'm so stunned I can't remember which one it was!

 ::MonkeyDevil::  Sure looks like it!  Maybe she wore it in memory of Ron.

Me too, and I did smile when I read old bat's mouth.  Jean C just made the point that nobody is admitting to the crime just passing blame onto others in the group.

Thanks.  I hate to even think about this being used on Haleigh.

flora says misty clocked Haleigh in the head with a piece of wood

Well..if Misty did hit Haleigh with a piece of wood or a board and Tommy and Joe threw her in the water...they are all guilty of murder.  I am surprised that any of them cracked...which makes me believe that one of them is going to get the deal of a lifetime.  Since Misty was at the dock, I am going to bet that it is her.  Since she was able to keep this under wraps for so long, I guess the witness protection program will be a way for that lying POS to survive.  Sorry for the venom...but these people are beyond sick and beyond help.

And I'm sure we will get more and more confused until LE actually tells us what happened.

Me either  ::MonkeyHaHa:: Just when you think the bs couldn't get worse along comes Granny.

Now that's just funny I don't care who you are ::MonkeyDevil::

      ::MonkeyRoll:: :smt052

She said MC called her today and told her the latest story. She also got tears in her eyes talking about 3 of her own being involved in this. Then she said she doesn't believe the story about MC hitting Haleigh on the head. She thinks MC is now telling the truth.........like the old bat would know the truth....what a mess

I wonder who told Flora that story?

::MonkeyDance::

Them grand youngens just keep on doin the family proud by not only confessing but in so many different ways, They is so smart

Criminal Profiler Pat Brown Unless Joe Overstreet were to confess to murder, there is nothing to link him to the crime except two people who can't pass a polygraph.
http://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=115522048473642&id=387068190642

If it weren't for the horrible tragedy of what happened to Haleigh, this whole mess would make for a comedy. Absolutely unbelievable (no pun intended)

GRANNY FLORA...GUESS WHAT?!!!! THE APPLE DOES NOT FALL FAR FROM THE TREE...OR HOW ABOUT...YOU REAP WHAT YOU SOW!  THE MORAL CHARACTER OF YOUR GRANDCHILDREN IS LEARNED FROM THEIR PARENTS!!! 

Don't even joke about it that girl is getting a nice cozy padded ceil with a girl named Barry. 

which oddly enough seems the most likely. She bonks her, calls Tc for help now gang up on Joe   ::rhino::

 Caller just asked if any remains would be left after alligators finished eating her.  ::MonkeyShocked:: OMG

The title of the movie could be "Pillbillies in Paradise"!!!!! ::MonkeyMad::

O.K., what kind of con job is grandma trying to pull here?  Is she the one who gets the reward money for the dirty deeds her OWN grandchildren did?  Sorry, not buying most of this.  Reward money equals quick money, add that to plea deals (I know they said no deals BUT......) and who better to trust with the money than ole Grandma.  She would not let Misty's parents get ahold of that money. 
SOMETHING IS NOT ADDING UP. 

Another thing.  I do not believe Ron had anything to do with the actions involved in his daughters demise BUT I strongly believe he knew from the very first night what happened and he (for some unknown reason) helped cover this up.  I also believe his mother knew and she helped in covering this up.  That in my book says it all for me.  Ron was responsible for his daughters well being AND his mother and grandmother were suppose to help him with those children while he was working (according to the courts).  Everyone of them failed those two children. Everyone.  May the all rot in he$$.  JMO

Good nite all

Payers for Haleigh  ::MonkeyAngel::

WOW!!!

Nancy Grace came through big time tonight.

Misty, Tommy and Joe's grandmother did not hold back.  Her heart is broken.  She loves them all.  However ... she is not willing to abet in this horrible crime against a little girl named Haleigh.

Grandma cried.  She cannot understand why these kids' entire beings lack consciences ... remorse.

Klaas ... you were right on!!  The cinder block and rope was used to throw a little girl who may not have taken her last breath into that murky crab/crocodile infested river.

If Joe threw animals off that wharf for the crocodiles to feed on ... I believe he threw little Haleigh.

DESPICABLE!!!

 ::MonkeyMad::

Janet

Love it!    ::MonkeyDevil::

Good night Rob

Me too. I think two of the grandkids were feeding grandma some real tall tales  ::MonkeyEek::

she said misty told her this morning "from misty's mouth to my ears this mornin'" or something real close to that
what kind of story is this?
Jeff Hardy couldn't sell me this scenario
come on really?
I don't think so

I don't care what Granny or Pat Brown say we still have Misty in jail and that girl is staying there.  LE will work the rest out now that someone is talking.  Misty did not do this by herself and we all know that.  A bone found in the location she was pointing on that dock will be more than enough IMO.

Justice for Haleigh.

At the presser, the question was asked if the tip came from Tennessee and the answer was no. I wonder if the old bat even called anyone..........

She wants the reward money.

This rings in my head very often.


CUMMINGS: Please bring my daughter home. She`s not yours. She`s not property. You know, she`s not something that you just take and say, it`s mine, or whatever. This is my daughter. This is blood. And I would like to have my daughter back, please. Please bring my daughter home.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0902/23/ijvm.01.html

Seriously I agree with you and it breaks my heart but something seems very peculiar. The kids all confess to her but not one single horrible story comes with a reason. The two gang up on Joe but still no hint of a reason. It just doesn't make full sense to me.

It appears grannie has her own drug stash and she's been dipping into it lately.

Jennifer Kesse's father said something along the same lines tonight when on JVM.  Odd thing to say when referring to your child.  ???  I just thought it ironic that he said that tonight of all nights.

grandma just said on HLN that she doesnt think  misty  could kill or hurt haleigh because she loves kids.
maybe  she put up a good  front in front  of her mom and family no one acts up in front of family geez !! grama get a grip! she probably is in it for the money!!

So what if they come looking for the gun/machine gun.  Ron is at work and Misty calls Ron.  They tell Ron hand over the gun or they will take/kill Haleigh. 

Could it be that Ron didn't actually harm Haleigh but due to his lifestyle and friends/enemys put Haleigh in harms way?  It would also be likely Ron knows exactly what happened to Haleigh.

Yup

Yes, I have always believed that Ron knows what happened.

IMHO...Misty is a sociopath.  She kept this horrific secret and married the father of this beautiful little girl...lived in that house, took care of Jr.  I am sure they were all "high as kites" probably partying and Haleigh would not stay in the van or go to sleep...something along those lines...so Misty became enraged...hit the girl...too hard this time.  Then, instead of doing the right thing, having such high moral character, these losers cover the crime by disposing of the injured child in the water because to take her to the hospital would have been so much worse...in their minds. 

"Our prayers to little 5 year old Haleigh Cummings and her Mother and Father."           Thank-you Miz Nancy

I noticed that Curly!

I believe that Ronald did know what happened to Haleigh for a long time. I just finished listening to the LVA that she was given back in August 2009, I believe. That is when she mentioned the deer blood in the van.

When she was asked if Ronald had anything to do with Haleigh missing, she was told her "No" answer was misleading. I think that he didn't have any direct role in her missing, but he knew. Thus, the LVA showing a problem with her answer.

About the deer blood, Misty said, "There was deer blood in the back (referring to the van) from when my brother shot and killed a deer. I can't tell you what kind of blood it was. I am just telling you there was deer blood." <--- around 16 minute mark.

The LVA is at: http://www.firstcoastnews.com/video/default.aspx?mid=1231220760#/Misty+Cummings+Reveals+Her+Suspicions+in+Voice+Analysis+Test/49303112001

I do know that it was reported that LE confiscated this van early on and had it for analysis for quite a few weeks. I sure would think if there had been any human blood or fluids found in it, they would have found them.

(Took me forever to find out where the deer blood was mentioned so long ago! Whew!)

 ::HelloKitty:: Hi Monkeys, just trying to catch up, but one of the posts from I believe from Orlando Sentinel made me angry.

What is bothering me, they keep refering to Misty as Haleigh's "FORMER STEPMOTHER". This bothers me because #1 if Haleigh was killed on that dock like LE believes, then Misty was Haleigh's "DAD'S GIRLFRIEND/DRUG DEALING HO" not her Stepmother.

Sorry for the interruption, this has just bothered me from reading earlier.  ::MonkeyBike:: BTL JSM

No matter who the perp/s are in this case, the outcome will still be the same, an innocent child has been murdered, a family that loved her will be grieving and the wheels of justice will turn oh so slow... and then the perp will live in hell, then burn in hell. Not knowing who the POI's are, I am hesitant to point any fingers at anyone other than the person who is admittedly the last to see her, Misty Croslin. I do not care who else it turns out was involved other then them paying for the evil deed they have done. There is a lot more I could say at this point, but will not because a family is grieving the loss of a bright and beautiful little girl tonight and I am sure they will continue to do so for many years to come. I hope those who harmed this little angel rot in prison for it.

Good night all

Does anyone recall Joe and Ronald having a talk on a dock or I might being having ?  ::piggy:: CRS

I just pray that the police can get to the bottom of this with all these lies. The police really have had to work extra hard with these people, I don't know how they are doing it, but I believe they will continue until they can get justice for Haleigh.

I hope that who ever is involved with this little child disappearing rots in hell too! no matter who they are...this is just evil and sad beyond belief!

Sorry I forgot to say THANK YOU for all of you monkeys that give NG and JVM updates. It is very much appreciated.  ::MonkeyAngel::

I remember that, but don't have a clue where to find that at.

 ::HelloKitty::  JSM.
It bothers me too.    ::MonkeyMad::

That all sounds good but why wouldn't Ron hunt Joe down? Why would Misty go to Tn.? Why wouldn't Ron burn out of work right then?  How come TC is still alive? I dunno.

well said Searching

How could that old bag sit there and spew those horrific scenarios about Haleigh and not show a bit of emotion until it came to defending her precious little Misty?

This makes perfect sense to me.

Joe Overstreet's Attorney Not Contacted about a Person of Interest

Taren Reed  Josey Crews     Created: 4/15/2010 7:17:16 PM    Updated: 4/15/2010 8:06:29 PM

NASHVILLE, Tenn. -- Joe Overstreet's attorney, Shawn Sirgo, was in Louisiana when Putnam County Sheriff Jeff Hardy released information that police believe Haleigh Cummings is dead. Sirgo's secretary said his office has not been contacted by authorities regarding the new information.

Overstreet is Misty Croslin's cousin, the last person known to have seen Haleigh alive, according to police. Haleigh disappeared in Feb. 2009.

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=154823&catid=3

Good points...which means that if Ron knew...he was either involved or they had something on him.  I am not a Ron fan and definitely feel that he endangered these children by having Misty as a babysitter, yet, I feel that if he knew...he would have made good on his promise.

  ::HelloKitty:: Hi Sassy, good to see you  ::MonkeyAngel:: . Glad I wasn't the only person that was bothered by it.

Thanks NRCG...I recall the two having a little meeting   early in the case ... and I thought then I could not believe Ronald had a talk with Joe since Misty accused him of messing with her at one time, ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek:: and Ronald  did not knock Joe's block off.

No but I remember Ron and John Merchant having a talk on the dock and I remember a conversation from Cobra about Ron supposedly stating if it were him he would take her here and feed her to the alligators.

And I wonder how Ron would know this about Joe?  Hearsay from the Croslins or personal knowledge?

Misty was stressing how she washed the blanket...like she thought that someone might find that strange and she had a good story for that ...the pee pee story....just like when she was in the car with the undercover and was telling him the brilliant plan that she had about  him going into the bathroom first and then he could leave the goods on the counter and she would go in next that way it would look like nothing

Yep her precious little liar is her heart, and I think she is all about protecting Misty.
Both of her other grandkids can be involved, but no way her Misty, unreal.
And how many grandma's have only one grandchild's pic on the wall, she has a slew of them, and only Misty is seen on the wall. 

Hi JSM...it bothers me also....as much as it bothered me when she called HaLeigh her daughter in the 911 call.

I remember a video way back in the first few days of Teresa and Misty on a boat helping in the search and reporters were talking to Misty....the were on the St.Johns river...I bet she was about to crap herself

I remember John Merchant and Ron that was when Ron had a note of some sort with him, just something has stuck in my mind about Joe and Ron..having a talk.

there is a post on Topix from Joe's sister about her gma Flo-and it basically says what we all figured-she is doing this for the $$$.  Saw this on WS, and since I haven't been on Topix for months who knows if this is true or not. But I believe Flora is doing this for money also.

fatcatlurker, it may mean nothing, but it has always stuck with me since I heard RC say it.
Just may be the way they express themselves in that neck of the woods.

She probably was taking a load of Zannax.

Rest in peace sweet little Haleigh.
I'm so sorry those monsters hurt you and cut short your life.
You are safe now.

Good nite Monkeys. Thank you all for giving comfort in these cases.

 ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad::
Low Life People. ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

In the big picture I don't get how granny doesn't equate being there, not stopping it, not calling the police, not telling Ron, as her "not doing it"  She's as guilty as whichever of them really did it, including her. I think these guys are so used to the revolving jail door, in and out, in and out that they think once they give a story that it'll all go away. 

::MonkeyEek::

A grandmother selling out her grandchildren for a bag of silver.

Well I guess we have seen worse in the past few months. Mothers prostituting their 5 year olds for drugs. Grandmothers prostituting their granddaughters for drugs.

Where is the crying monkey gif?

I thought it odd also - no question. 

If the above link does not work for you, the LVA can be found at: http://www.firstcoastnews.com/video/default.aspx?mid=1231220760

FWIW and before I go to bed, this was just pointed out to me.

nobody

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No one need to beleive Flora Hollars.She is my grandmother
to. She has been wanting to on Tv with all of this since it has happen..She is a very selfish person that want alot of attention..People form Flordia is giving her money left and right so of course she is going to try and point finger.. She will tell Joe oh baby i no your didnt do that the ones in Flordia is just trying and blame you..Then she will tell The Croslin family that she thinks Joe done it.. She just wants people to keep sending her money and keep hvaing the attention..Why she would want this kind of attention no one will ever no...She will lie her way into anything..Dont beleive her because her story will change just like Misty and Tommy's.
Thanks Kayla(Joe's sister and Flora Hollars granddaughter..)
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Thanks Searching  ::MonkeyEek::

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1BPoMIQHwpo

I wish these crimes against children were stopped before they happen.  Haleigh should be playing with best friends, worrying about her little brother playing with her barbies, getting her nails painted pink, feeling safe as her mommy or daddy read her a goodnight story.  Instead...Instead...monsters hurt her.  Rest in peace Little Angel.

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Geeze now we have Joe's sister.  Lord please help the LE.  This whole case has been one lie after another from everyone involved.

i read an article once about luminol... it only resonds to human enzyme in human blood... however it has happened where it has resonded to monkey blood
i don't think they would have needed to do further testing other then luminol if the luminol didn't work it wasn't human blood

Where is the Valium Kitty.  This kitty could use a fist full about now. 

Ron used to like (still?) to hunt.

Like everything else he did... he liked to go the illegal route first.

I believe if you check PCSO arrest records you will find at least one hit for a hunting violation on Ron.

Maybe it's a ropeknife... ::MonkeyTongue::

 ::MonkeyNoNo:: After catching up finally I am so glad I have been forewarned about toothless Flora~I didn't believe her when I first heard her talking this smack last night and obviously she's been hitting her own "stash" or had way too many of  ::monkeywine2::

I am so damn mad right now about what this little baby had to endure and then Ron marries the Ho we had in charge of his babies and she is around JR all those months ::MonkeyMad:: I could spit nails right now looking at all the circumstances of this case, and how so many people have covered this up and IMO that includes Ron and his mother, it's a d@mn shame what these babies had to witness around these two out trying to score drugs and telling Misty to "whoop" HaLeigh if she didn't behave ::MonkeyNoNo:: No wonder she was such a "well mannered child".

brandon frye did
he had pics of him on the pone in florida with a caption "who ya'll gonna have me rob"
he had a picture of him driving some blue van or suv with the caption "chill before i wreck"
 and he had a statement that said "yeah im the one that put that on hc what did you expect cuz"
not to mention a pic where he was showing off a new machine gun (straight up tommy gun style with the round disc in the back)
i am not saying brandon frye did this to haleigh but my point is why the hell hasn't anyone mentioned this other then me not even the grasp at straws reporters ... never mentioned... if we are to think along the lines of the thought path they want us to believe then brandon frye fits much better then joe o... also joe o is scared chitless of brandon (in joe's eyes brandon is the ultimate gangster) if he was involved joe would not say a word...

 ::MonkeyEek::   ::MonkeyNoNo::

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Joe didnt take Haleigh yall will all relize that when the truth comes out..Misty is the biggest lying that think she is fooling everyone..Misty is guilty and everyone will see that..what have yall heard about a brick and a rope i havent heard anything like that..

Searching do you have a link?

Might as well be  ::MonkeyTongue:: I know nothing about weapons so this was a new one for me.

This is just crazy I do not know what to think.  I think this is like running thru the woods at night and hoping you don't hit a tree.

apologies for not including it before. long couple of days....

http://www.topix.com/forum/city/orlando-fl/T52VIGA63OER7TOO7/p3425

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Bottoms up!!!!! Did we get an IP trace on that? ::MonkeyHaHa::


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That is a perfect description.

Bottoms up!!!!! Did we get an IP trace on that? ::MonkeyHaHa::


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No Carpe, just the standard:
 Kayla

Nashville, TN

Thank you with getting bumped off the site I need another one to look at in between glancing at the usual bickering going on over at IS.   lol.  Three sites all talking about the same old lies with a little truth threaded in somewhere.  Justice for Haleigh.

me too and it made me physically sick to think that type of weapon might have been used, to me an overdose seems better........never in a million yrs thought I'd say that ::MonkeyNoNo::

 ::MonkeyShocked::   She talks about HaLeigh with such a lack of emotion "I don't know if she was dead when she hit the water" ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyShocked:: FTLOG, save that for LE if they would even listen to your rambling chit, how in the He77 could you not remember who told you how she died ::MonkeyEek::
(Edit:  Fix emoticon posted in error-MB)
We called it last night on this one and it appears we were right, she honestly is just spreading more lies around, and I honestly believe it's for the reward $$$

After the LVA didn't someone Tim maybe ? post the results to each question? does anyone have that link?

Maven2379 This was the first time I've ever seen Nancy speechless. At one point I think NG forgot she was talking to "Croslins" G Ma-     19 minutes ago  via web  in reply to Maven2379

Carp.....that first one was supposed to be shocked monkey, not laughing monkey as there isn't one d@mn thing funny about more lies and what happened to this precious child ::MonkeyMad::

You know IM as nuts as these families seem to be I would not be surprised if these phone calls did take place just like she is stating.  Crazy huh?

Just a current PCSO booking

DATWAN  KEYO  LEWIS
PALATKA,  FL
Booking Date & Time: 4/15/2010 8:57:06 PM  - Booking#: 10-01629
Release Date & Time:
DOB: 11/16/1976 -  RACE: B  -  SEX: M
Charges       Misd/Felony   Degree   Bond   Bond Posted
893.147-1   NARCOTIC EQUIP-POSSESS AND OR USE   M   F    $0.00    
893.13-1a1   COCAINE-POSSESS WITH INTENT TO SELL MFG DELIV ETC SCHEDULE II   F   S    $0.00    
316.192-2a   MOVING TRAFFIC VIOL RECKLESS DRIVING 1ST OFF   M   S    $0.00    
322.34-10b   NONMOVING TRAFFIC VIOL DRIVE W SUS REV DL HABIT TRAFFIC OFF SUBSQ OFF   M   F    $0.00    
784.03-1a1   BATTERY TOUCH OR STRIKE   M   F    $0.00    
812.131-2b   ROBBERY BY SUDDEN SNATCHING WO FIREARM OR WEAPON   F   T    $0.00    
787.02-1a   KIDNAP-FALSE IMPRISONMENT ADULT   F   T    $0.00    
                $0.00    

http://public.pcso.us/jail/bookingDetails.aspx?SYSID=760237&IMG=29773

You mean the old "oh pick me pick me" routine? I would not be surprised and IIRC Misty lived with gramma Hollar for some time when younger, so think there is more of a bond there. Sad she can say she believes JO did it but never Misty.. I can believe it was Misty....

Good Evening Monkeys and Guest!
Just catching up, whew you guys have been busy today. What a load of BS with the Croslin clan.

Why would people in Fla. be sending grandma Hollar money left and right? I think most of Fla. is sick to death with this bunch of cruds.

IM- Would you like me to edit out  ::MonkeyDevil:: and insert  ::MonkeyShocked:: ?

With all the talk that TC maybe getting out of jail soon doeas anyone think that this may how they are getting the money for the bail to get him out?? just a thought....

ROSALIO  HERNANDEZ  RIOS
INTERLACHEN,  FL
Booking Date & Time: 4/15/2010 9:18:40 PM  - Booking#: 10-01630
Release Date & Time:
DOB: 4/4/1984 -  RACE: W  -  SEX: M
Charges       Misd/Felony   Degree   Bond   Bond Posted
893.13-6b   MARIJUANA-POSSESS NOT MORE THAN 20 GRAMS   M   F    $0.00    
893.147-1   NARCOTIC EQUIP-POSSESS AND OR USE   M   F    $0.00    
322.34-2a   NONMOVING TRAFFIC VIOL DRIVE WHILE LIC SUSP 1ST OFF   M   S    $0.00    
893.13-6a   DRUGS-POSSESS CNTRL SUB WO PRESCRIPTION   F   T    $0.00    
                $0.00    

http://public.pcso.us/jail/bookingDetails.aspx?SYSID=760238&IMG=53202

Did you mean to spell crap? ::MonkeyTongue::

possibly, but who wouldn't ask qyestions and surely you'd remember who told you Misty hit her on the head.....I don't doubt the calls, just her lack of questioning them or remembering who told the story, it is vile and sick to think HaLeigh was tossed in the water alive with a rope and cinder block around her.

YES PLEASE ::MonkeyAngel:: I was mortified when it came out that way...........Thanks Muffy ::MonkeyKiss::

Done.  Something similiar happened to me and I didn't even see it, but fortunately for me one of our mods saw it and fixed it. 

espresso- I believe a monkey was able to show that the msg that was supposed to be from Lindsy about TC getting out of jail soon and having KFC and beer was fake.  I will have to see if I can find it.

LOL~no, I was trying to be nice ::MonkeyTongue:: kinda sorta......

NG:  Haleigh's entire body has not been found.

And this relates to Haleigh....How?

I agree, a big of stinking load of BS. I don't know about anyone else in Florida, but I am sick as he77 of the bunch and not just the Croslins ::MonkeyTongue::

Who says Tommy is getting out of jail soon?  His wife? 

Where is that VALIUM KITTY?  This is crazy - two weeks ago TC was supposedly rumored to take a LDT or Voice Analysis, than publicly his lawyer drops him in the news as a client regarding Haleigh, now somebody is singing like a bird at long last and placing TC right at the crime scene? 

I am going nuts tonight don't mind me.

 ::MonkeyShocked::

it was back aways from either today or last night but I am beginning to think my brain in beyond overload now to btwn this caes and the Anthony case among some others I try to follow up on....thinkin maybe I should just stay in the rafters and lurk...lol

Heart - please don't post every dirt bag that is arrested in Putnam County or we'll be at page 100 in a blink of an eye.  Unless it's a familiar name to this case I'd rather you didn't post it. 

Edited to add:  No offense to the good/normal people in Putnam County but it does seem like there are a lot of druggies in this neck of the woods.  ::MonkeyCool::

Yes I agree but these are different people obviously living in a different world  from you and I......and I thank my parents for that.

And unfortunatly could all be true. 

I have news for the Croslin-Cummings inbreds. NONE OF YOU will be getting out of jail anytime in the near future. Cops & SAO may play with your mind - to dangle a big juicy
carrot out there for you - so that you will build up hopes, only to have them shattered
to the floor around your ankles....

However, nary a one of yas is going to be getting out of prison for A VERY LONGGGGG TIME.


Too bad you people can`t see it. LE is grinding you all down one by one... and they are very good at what they do. ::MonkeyBike::

heartbreaking isn't it ::MonkeyNoNo::

Did you read the 1st line of my post?

Heart- Did you see the moderator note Nut44x4 left you on page 3 of this new thread?
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=7592.msg1113395#msg1113395


Please refrain from posting extra stuff right now that doesn't pertain to the case.  MuffyBee

No don't lurk.  This case is just bonkers. 

Someone posted a MySpace that was supposedly Lindsey Croslin's saying he was getting out of jail soon and even referred to him as Gomer Pyle which should of been our clue that it was fake.  Anyway someone proved it fake earlier.  It would all be so funny if it wasn't so darn sad.  JMO

Thank you for keeping the faith no matter how this goes down.  Justice for Haleigh.  Haleigh did not deserve any of this.  She is the only thing that keeps this sober. 

thx, I must of missed the "fake" finding ...I have been on here, and also trying to keep up with everything on TV today and then got booted from site and had to wait to catch back up...but yes this case is beyond bonkers with all the players at least Caylee was found..

PS..I'd love to be in OC right now, I am a Maryland native also, kinda homesick...lol

Haleigh Cummings' Grandmother Annette Sykes: 'We Stilll Have a lot of Faith'

 Taren Reed     Created: 4/15/2010 10:03:14 PM    Updated: 4/15/2010 10:35:43 PM

PUTNAM COUNTY, Fla. -- Haleigh Cummings' grandmother said she will continue to pray for Haleigh's safe return until police can prove the 5-year-old is no longer alive. Today, Sheriff Jeff Hardy said in a news conference police believe Haleigh is dead.

"We still have a lot of faith," Annette Sykes said.

Police gave the family the news Tuesday and in the days since, they have watched the St. Johns River search on TV and were surprised to see Misty Croslin led to the site.

Police said Croslin is the last person known to have seen Haleigh.

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/topstories/news-article.aspx?storyid=154830&catid=3

PENNY ~  thanks for the reply about Joe's gangsta status way back a couple of pages.  So he talks big, hangs with some hard core people so maybe he has it in him for several hours of threatening, stealing, raping and murdering while he was on a vacay.    I'm beginning to see anything is possible in this case. ::dogwag::

So what do we think tipped off LE?

1.  LE's questioning of current jailed people's?

2.  Granny Flora Hollers?

3.  Crystals hired Ex-FBI agent?

They were surprised to see MC led to the dock/site.....WTH ...please tell me that they are not still defending her?

NANCY GRACE Transcripts

Sheriff Says Haleigh Investigation Now Homicide

Aired April 15, 2010 - 20:00:00   ET

http://archives.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1004/15/ng.01.html

Or Misty's letter or Tommy's phone call this is so crazy !!!!!

This reminds me so much of the Anthonys and it's proven now that they absolutely knew that Caylee was not going to come back safe.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Annette Sykes knows Haleigh is dead

BBM

Did this rumor start out from this questionable youtube? link is in the quote, and so is the post by penny for your thoughts debunking it. 

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=7184.msg1113031#msg1113031

it was me it is fake the user joined yutube on 4/14/10 has no friends only jail calls for vids and lindsy would not decide to rant and rave and join youtube to do it all in one day... i had considered finding out who really did it and send them a msg of how patetic they are.. 100%fake

Since the jail calls are taped and some are monitored, it is possible that LE found out directly from the calls........just an idea as I honestly have no freaking clue ::MonkeyTongue::

Where is valium kitty?

I think that I will call it a night .....hopefully more information tommorrow

Misty incriminates Joe and Tommy.
Tommy incriminates Joe.
Joe says he wasn't there.
Misty and Tommy have both incriminated themselves while providing the details about what the others did. 
So, we have two out of three that could be charged.
....
It's going to get better and Tommy will turn on Misty. 
What Gawd awful ppl, every last one of them.
Wonder if Ms. Neves thinks this was still the best gf Ron ever had. Sorry, I know she loved the little girl, but she is full of chit also. Just have a Croslin / Cummings family reunion and drop a neutering bomb. 

Hi Monkeys!

I watched NG and was left hoping that some physical evidence of little Haleigh remains intact. A trial and most importantly, a verdict, will be easier if LE can find something.

The whole crew is so full of it, that it's hard to know exactly who did what, IMO, but hard physical evidence would go a long way to putting the events together. They're ALL guilty in my book!

Putnam Co. Sheriff: 'Haleigh Cummings is Most Likely Deceased'

 Taren Reed  Ann Butler     Created: 4/15/2010 4:08:34 PM    Updated: 4/15/2010 10:29:31 PM

PUTNAM COUNTY, Fla. -- Haleigh Cummings is likely dead and authorities are now considering her disappearance a homicide, police said today.

Tips obtained during interviews have led various law enforcement agencies who have been searching for the girl to believe Haleigh is no longer alive, said Putnam County Sheriff Jeff Hardy.

He added no arrests have been made but persons of interest have been identified.

"At this point, I'm going to say I'm comfortable calling it a homicide," Hardy said during a brief news conference this afternoon.

The 5-year-old disappeared in Feb. 2009, while in the care of Misty Croslin, the last person known to have seen Haleigh, according to police.

Dive teams have searched for three days in the St. Johns River south of Satsuma. Hardy said items were recovered from the river but it is unknown at this time if those items are related to the case.

"It's like looking for a needle in a haystack," Hardy added when questioned about the search.

He said they plan to wrap up the search scene today at 6 p.m., and said the items will be taken to several independent forensic labs for testing. He's hoping for an arrest.

"Let's hope and pray that we can bring this thing to a logical conclusion for the family," Hardy said as he ended the news conference.

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/breaking/news-article.aspx?storyid=154812&catid=17

I think #3 started it, then they got info from #1.

Sheriff Hardy said the tip did not come from TN, so it cannot be #2.

Muffy, thank you I did miss the being"fake" part again thank you for clarifying it and for your trouble

Not that I subsribe to this but hey it could go down this way...Ron's phone calls.  I am still shocked that I read somewhere earlier today that Tommy and Misty were allowed to talk to each other while behind bars???  WTH or could it have been a set up?  Makes you wonder.

And yes I've needed Valium Kitty for awhile now.  It is horrible to think that we are still sitting here 14 months later trying to get fact from fiction for Haleigh.

Sassy thanks for posting the transcripts for NG.
This is the biggest mess I have ever seen. They need to lock up the whole dang crowd.


Heart....yes i saw your first sentence and i saw Nut's post a few pages before.

Yeah, I saw that last night. It was so obvious that someone created a fake Lindsy youtube account.

Very disturbing, but very fake.

Ok I wonder what info #3 got that #1 couldn't.  I forgot about Hardy saying that about TN at the time I thought he was referring to JO.

I agree with you and had never thought of that, although I think he is too street smart to do that especially after GGMS warned him about snitches in jail ::MonkeyNoNo:: I think it very well could be a set up to try to get some answers, and if you find valium kitty, please share liberally ::piggy::

Haleigh's Disappearance Now A Murder Investigation

Thursday, April 15, 2010 10:16:00 PM

Reported by Stephanie Coueignoux, Janelle Jordan and Saul Saenz

SATSUMA -- The disappearance of Haleigh Cummings is now officially a murder investigation.

Putnam County Sheriff Jeff Hardy made that announcement Thursday after three days of divers searching the St. Johns River five miles from where Haleigh disappeared more than a year ago.

One by one, divers jumped back into the river while law enforcement kept other boats away from the area.

Misty Croslin, the ex-wife of Haleigh’s father, Ronald Cummings, and who was also the last person to see Haleigh was brought to the site by deputies hoping she could shed some light into the 5-year-old's whereabouts.

Hardy said Croslin is talking.

"Listen, people are beginning to cooperate and that's why it's going to be a matter of time. And we are going to accept any cooperation that we can get,” Hardy said.

Croslin and Cummings are in jail on drug charges.

Hardy would not discuss what was found in the river.

But while clutching to a picture of the 5-year-old, Hardy said what they did find leads them to believe that Haleigh is no longer alive.

“At this time I am comfortable and I am going to go ahead and call it a homicide," Hardy said.

The sheriff said they will now begin building a case. He said they have persons of interest and is certain an arrest will be made. However, he would not say who they are targeting.

Haleigh vanished 14 months ago from her Satsuma home.

Her disappearance has been followed by Satsuma residents who are glad deputies resumed their search.

"It's about time they did it. (Why?) (Be)cause everybody knows that something went wrong there and they need to figure out what happened," said Maria Benitez.

"It’s a sad thing and I hope they find her, but this just gave the town a bad name,” said Satsuma resident Jerry Jarrell.

The area is officially a crime scene although the sheriff said divers will stop searching.

Items divers found will be turned over to a forensic lab to see if more evidence will surface.

Hardy said one of the main reasons he held a news conference was to dispel any rumors that an arrest had already been made.

http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2010/4/15/new_haleigh_search_area_named_crime_scene.html?cmpid=twitter

The same reason the send money to jail accounts of KC A, Misty, Ron and many others.

he just seems t be a follower and he des not have any gangster friends he has a gangster cousin who talks to joe like a small child... joe reminds me of that one kid that had no friends in school.. like didn't fit in with any clique whatsoever...
all i know is if he was involved in even just moving a body he was doing it because someone else told him to... he is like a little lost puppy that would follow someone anywhere but wouldn't do anything on his own i would put my farm on if he was involved it was minimal and none of it was his idea
also i wanted to add to what i said earlier it is my opinion that if joe and misty had sex now or then it was not only consensual it was probably her idea... misty is a needy lil slore and joe is i'll do whatever you say guy...
also tina (joes mom) is not flora's most favorite person
and the way that kayla is so motherly of him makes me wonder if his shy guy inferrior no self esteem self isn't that way from tina beating his azz  his whole life
he reminds me of a scared beaten dog you find at a shelter and i am convinced he suffered some form of abuse as a child
these are the types of people that like to hurt small animals to feel in control but to be quite honest i don't even think joe would have the self motivation to even seek that much control ( i hope that makes sense)
sorry if i sound like i think i'm a pro because i am not i just can't get over the dynamics of this family and more specificly misty and joe
i could see this scenario being the truth behind te he messed with me story:
misty prob was molested or exposed to sex at an early age and became on of those slutty 10 year old female predators she probably enticed/victimized joes abused self and slept with him... then she probably flipped it when people found out... if joe had been sexually abused early on as well it would explain his inferriority and the family would be more apt to say yeah joe messed with misty because he is a little perv ever since he let uncle so and so mess with him///
k i'm done rambling now

This is all.... just so very disturbing.   ::MonkeyTears::

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub8/Trailer2.jpg)

::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek::

Is that Ron's trailer? I thought the rope they were talking about was from ToC's.........GREAT catch Klaas ::MonkeyShocked::

wow! used to tie the door open?

as a profile stalker lol
i debunk it as fake and yes that youtube profile is what started it...
i have been alng the network sites to know that pele who join tat day and act all flambouyant and out of character are fake...
does anyone really think that lindsy who we all could tell is about to leave tommy gets on youtube the day of the search and starts professing her love for him
i don't have Proof it's fake but trust me it is

Radio just posted this and I think it is an accurate photo of how we all feel today

That is so pretty...

I am wondering if the State of FL has the death penalty when there is no body found.  I know it varies from state to state.  We know Musty, er Misty was underage at the time so she will likely be spared the death penalty regardless.  But the two males, were they both over 18?  And does FL have a death penalty in the event there are no remains found?

This family is so messed up I am thinking along the lines of having Misty take the blame for the actual death because then they would all likely get life instead of death penalty?

Really thinking far, far ahead I know but goes to expectations of what they are capable of doing as far as playing the system.  Don't think I have ever seen such trashy awful people and so many of them in the same families.  I mean every family has one or two but this is a ridiculous number in these families.  Are any of them without police records?

I can only rule out #2
#3 is a crap shoot
#1 fits best here
#4 someone else

Thank you Searching, very well said. 

I thought so too, I think to honor HaLeigh's life I will change my avi to this for a while......God be with Jr too, as he witnessed as much as HaLeigh did and surely ask Q's that his family has a hard time anwsering without breaking down ::MonkeyNoNo::

Yes I see a huge headtrip going on for those in #1 and I love it.  Finally.

Who's #4?

Here's another shot of it:

(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/HaleighCummings/frontporch.jpg)

GOOD catch, Klaas!

Wow, Penny thank you.  sometimes, in my opinion the non professional can "read" people better than they can.  I haven't kept up with the small details like so many of you have but I trust what you seen and put together.  I think you really hit a true chord about Misty.  She's way streetwise, sexually active for a long time according to her social pages and it doesn't matter whether it's a family from the good side of the tracks or the other, there are favorites and the ones that can do no right. Turning a blind eye can be in any family. too bad the stakes are so high in this.

I have a photo of the actual cinder block under the trailer someplace, still looking  ::MonkeyCool::

and ::MonkeyTears:: ::MonkeyTears:: ::MonkeyTears::



JUSTICE FOR HALEIGH

love that due to my keyboard i type with a speech impediment
 ::MonkeyHaHa::

someone not named yet or someone long forgotten maybe
I really don't know ugh

Someone posted pages back that the rope didn't look yellow, but after time in the sun and water they do fade to almost white.

An anthropologist was brought to the search site, and that means humans remains. Hopefully now people afraid to get in trouble will speak out.

I haven't followed this case from the beginning, so I'm curious about a letter that was published in September 2009.

Does anyone remember if it was covered here?

Was it found to have any true connection to the crime?

(http://i803.photobucket.com/albums/yy315/TomboyKetchup/haleigh-letter.gif)

It was sorta verified by:
http://www.thesky973.com/pages/5286533.php

That URL is an obscure radio station, so I'm not sure if they can be 100% trusted.

Just satisfying my curiosity on this.

Thanks.
 ::MonkeyWink::

Are you sure your not Kayla that was posting on Topix earlier?  Altho her last three sentences were pretty clear and minimal typos!  Just joking but yes you do type w/speech impediment my eyes go crazy reading some of your posts.  ha ha ha. 

Klaas:

This one?

(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/HaleighCummings/18815723_640X480.jpg)

We all know HaLeigh is in a better place, even though when we are left behind it seems a bitter pill to swallow, so I thought I'd share a poem I read at Eli's memorial and my son's letter he wrote to Eli..........so many lessons and so much love these little ones give us ::MonkeyAngel::


My Silent Child, our precious baby, Close to my heart, I'll keep you with me, An important job God has for you, There is love to give and work to do. He needs an angel, stong but small, To shine light on many and give love to all. Before you go I give you this, half my heart and one last kiss. We'll miss you deaarly, that you know. But by God you were chosen, so to heaven you must go.

Now Avery's letter he read at the memorial: ::MonkeyAngel:: 

June 8, 2009
 
Dear Eli, I know you are in a better place. Thank you for teaching us many lessons. We will always love you, and you are now in God's arms but you still remain in all of our hearts. Thank you God for blessing us with little baby Eli, thank you Eli for fighting so hard just so we could love you and your beautiful smile a little bit longer. I only wish you could have stayed with us so I could have played with you a little bit longer and hold you in my arms so I could tell you that I love you. Thank you Eli Porter Gibson







 
Love,
 
your uncle Avery


These words I read over and over and over when I needed to feel comfort, I hope they bring you  all the same as we remember this angel HaLeigh  ::MonkeyAngel::



 

I was gone for a while late this afternoon and missed Miz Nancy and screaming JVM.  Ugh.  I was thinking over and over again while I was driving.  I am haunted by Misty's talk of a dead deer.  I keep wondering if they were all so high on some type of hallucinogenic that they thought Haleigh was a deer.....I am so sorry but this hit me so hard and I can't get it out of my head.  It is so disturbing I cannot stand it but I do not know how to unthink it.

okay here goes...
in the 3 most recent tommy tapes with lindsy (it was the day before hanks last court date and also the day of tommy's previous scheduled court date for something else *maybe the posession passing out in the van) anyways that was the date the visit took place... he tells lindsy point blank that mistys lawyer has been trying to meet with his lawyer regarding blaming joe and tommy goes on to say well i don't really care about him but he is my cousin and im not going to say he did something that he didn't do...
in a previous misty visit misty says ron had been sending her video messages that joliceur videoed
my point is
misty's lawyer wanted tommy to go along with the story even if they didn't actually speak to each other they spoke thru their lawyers... and the cp let ron communicate with misty despite the fact that they were separated so they couldn't communicate suposedly...
the lawyers have been in cahoots the le has been watching and people started feeling the heat
we got misty and tommy talking to each other first then together with grandma and now together with le... if i knew their lawyers were talking so did le... and over a month ago... plenty of time to let them think they have the upper hand and to play along all the while just giving them enough rope to hang themselves... how does misty explain knowing where the weapon/evidence is even by any version of the grandma stories misty should not know that
when tommy said to lindsy misty better not make no stuff up i took that to mean misty better stick to the script for real this time and not try any of that adlib improv chit again... how would misty know where the evidence was and i want to know whose clothes were found in the dryer that night

The dynamics of this whole case will be interesting to read after it comes to the conclusion.  So many different aspects to look at.  The small media characters vs the true outcome alone and their timing of release.  All the upclose day to day activities we actually know about lots of the characters or should I say rumors of what has taken place so far.  Looking back is where we will learn.  I am reading a book called "When the husband is the suspect"  very good book that looks back at the suspects activities as we knew them before they were convicted.  Simpson and Peterson are two of them.  Very interesting.   

On the one hand I am like - amazed at the utter stupidity of the cinder-block thing... but then I smack myself with the other hand and remember that we are dealing with Misty, who is actually dumber than a cinder-block.

They sink Haliegh with a cinder-block.

Stick one to prop open the door... and it`s one of her first clues she gives in the 911 call.

The subconscious mind sure is a mother, ain`t it? ::MonkeyCool::

No, it's at a different angle.

This is so crazy. If Misty did this, what was her reason?
Tommy has kids, why would he kill Haleigh?
None of this makes any sense to me.
I really hope there's a conclusion to all this insanity.
I can't wait for them to specifically name the suspects/POI's.
I can't help it, but I never trusted Ronald from the first time I laid eyes on him on tv., he was throwing himself on the ground and crying, but there were no tears.

i have a few things i guess just to say or add..i also remember something about ron was soppose to be home earlier than he was...and another thing i was thinking maybe something happen to haleigh b4 he went to work...and everyone waited till ron got off work to decide what to do..don't be hard on me just throwing something to think about out there..and one more thing what if maybe just maybe misty made a friend and said some things in jail to one of the other inmates..i do recall her saying on the phone with someone that she has made a couple of friends in jail and le is just not telling us that yet.             idk just thinking out loud..

Curly - the only possible scenario that makes some sense to me is an accidental OD on illegal drugs in the home.  They panic and dispose of Haleigh.  Anything else is just too horrible to imagine.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

Yeah, ya know it flashed on some subconcious level a couple of weeks ago about Misty and T talking while in jail, but I let it go thinking it must be a new rule down there. That is weird isn;t it? Prisoners can't usually communicate, right?    And what kind of garbage is Ron sending to her?   

o p h s and space bar are a real problem
 ::MonkeyDevil::
it seems like it works out that i am talking slang or just cant spell

yeah i read that she in not from nashville she is from monfresboro maybe it's not even her

The deer blood has been on my mind since it was first mumbled. I think Haleigh got hurt at the MH, a blanket was grabbed and they took of the van and drove around and made a decision to dispose...hard to type.

Where was JR doing all of this?

I feel the same way, and have for a long time......and like I said earlier, the OD scenario when compared to what Flora spit out on NG tonight is the only thing my mind will allow me to think

Grannie said tonight that Tommy called her and she used her crystal ball and put Joe out to dry, then she spoke to Misty this morning.  With how fast the Jail tapes have been released, if these confessions on a known recorded and released to the public phone, then we should all hear it very soon and Grannie is one step closer to the money to buy her own set of teeth. 

Also does anyone else think she rotates the pictures on the wall behind her to the grandchild she wants up there based on her TV interviews?

I still think the common theme has been drugs. It`s the Croslin-Cummings motto.

Drugs... just say YES.


Why bother to use a knife on a child who OD`d? Wouldn`t they just tie the cinder-block
to her and throw her in? That would be the easiest... and all these people seem to like
the easy way out.

A knife is great for cutting rope, though.

When you`re done with it... just throw it in the water... let the cops find it.

You might as well leave your business card and a couple of alternate contact numbers
while you are at it. jmo

i have never trusted ronald either NEVER.maybe i am wrong,,but i feel it sooo much that somehow he is involved,just don't know exactly  how yet..they had an interview last year they were outside,i remember watching it with my little sister..it was like he was answering questions for misty.he would cut her a look.he even cut her off when asked certain questions..and my sister looked at me and said they are on oxycotton.lol if that is how you spell it anyway..she acted scared and he was nervous..she also acted scared to me on gma..idk but something imo is up with ronald

Haleigh is always in my Thoughts - Whole Happy and filled with Life - I can't think of her in any other way - Her and Adji lost within wks apart - Two very special children lost possibly before they were " missing"- Always in my heart ~ both of them.
Where ever they are today- I believe no one can hurt them again or any longer. They are Free.
 :smt049 :albino:

 ::MonkeyAngel::

I know, Klaas. There's a little bit of truth in all those rumors about Haleigh ODg at a drug party.
I just can't can't believe these yokels have stumped the cops for 14 months. Had they just told the truth in the beginning, things would have gone a lot easier on them. Now look at them.. Locked up for selling drugs to an undercover officer with a minimum of 25 years.

The biggest question to me is why are they going to such great lengths to get their stories straight and blame it all on Joe? Just by telling that story they've implicated themselves.  Why in hell wouldn't they just say it was an accident and let the cards fall. It's gotta sound better than all these changing versions.  Do they think that just leading LE to a knife that it will prove it was Joe and only Joe? All it tells me is , is that they threw it in, no matter whose it was.
What in the world are they trying to do, bury themselves deeper than they already are?
Wonder if tomorrow will bring more sudden memories from other Croslins about things Joe said or did? 


IM ~ that was a beautiful poem & letter

There was a pic taken from the back yard area, looking at the mh, where we could see cinder blocks under the mh on the right hand side.  Is that the one Klaas? 
 

::MonkeyAngel:: Thanks~it's amazing how someone so young ( he was nine when he wrote the letter) can have such tremendous insight as to the lessons we need to be taught or remember, they are so pure and innocent at that age, yet they seem to have a better grasp on things than we do..........Night all

I think it is either that or something very close.

...but I think that by the time Ronald got home, each player already knew what to do.

Maybe that was why Ron`s phone was so busy that night?

His phone hasn`t been lit up like that since they had the Hell`s Angels convention in Palatka!

Hey brother, can you hook me up tonight with something good?

I'm not responding to any posts everytime I do I get hung up have to go out.  Soooo.  Let's see how this works.

well my theory is she was stabbed as to make her less bouyant if yu create more holes gas release faster etc...
did misty say she wasn't sure if she was dead when tey put her in the water? was she uncoscious comatosed od'ed and they used my knife theory and she wasn't stiff or blue yet that could be why le is calling it te scene of the crime... did they think she was dead before she actually was,,, i don't see any of these layers driving a live haleigh to a duck simly to murder her for no reason

You know how busy busy them Dope Boyz are..    :smt066

Hopefully tomorrow will bring an arrest or two or more.  Tomorrow is a busy day as John Gardner is back in court as is EJ (if she has not starved herself to death) as well as Tammi Smith.

Yes, I believe that's the one but I can't find it in my photobuckets

Fatcat - it's the server, not you.  It's been acting up all day and driving everyone including me nuts!

Stabbings do leave a lot of blood behind.

If a tree fell in the woods and nobody was around to witness it, did it really happen?

If she overdosed and these three idiots, with absolutely no medical expertise, were
there to witness it, was Haliegh really in fact dead?

Does anyone know what member or relation Annette Sykes is?

and you have got to be joking they (Cummings family) were suprised to see Misty at the search site?  WTH? 

I just don't get the denial by that family (Cummings) of Misty....well imo I do they are holding out hope she and the rest will keep Ron out of it, and I am only speculating but think Ron will be one of the "three" arrested for the murder of Haleigh Cummings.

 Honestly these people make Casey Anthony and Family look normal.................

Carpe - probably not and I believe that's what the sheriff was alluding to.  That they took a still alive but maybe almost dead Haleigh and disposed of her in the river.  Which would make the new search area a crime scene.

Grandma Flora talked to Cummings family and told them what she knew?  They all talk to each other OMG...
on NG at the very end....

GRANDMA – FLORA HOLLARS

Part One

Nancy Grace – April 15, 2010-04-15

NANCY GRACE, HOST: Which would explain the lack of any blood or DNA evidence there in the home where she was last seen alive. We are taking your calls live.

But joining me right now is a very special guest joining us tonight in a primetime exclusive. With us tonight is Misty Croslin`s grandmother. It is also Joe Overstreet`s grandmother. It is Ms. Flora Hollars joining us out of West Nashville, Tennessee. Ms. Hollars, thank you for being with us.

FLORA HOLLARS, MISTY`S AND JOE`S GRANDMOTHER: You`re very much welcome.

GRACE: Number one, Ms. Hollars, let me tell you that not only myself but my staff have become very attached to little Haleigh and have been praying for her and thinking of her ever since we learned that she had disappeared, and our thoughts have been with you and the family.

HOLLARS: I pray for her every night.

GRACE: Ms. Hollars, tell me about Joe Overstreet. Repeatedly, Misty Croslin has referred to him as being responsible for Haleigh`s disappearance. You have been around him from this -- throughout this entire time. How has his behavior changed since he came back from Florida when Haleigh disappeared?

HOLLARS: His reactions are completely different than it was before he went down there. He`s not the same kid that he was when we went down there. He has a different attitude toward life and all. He just don`t care.

GRACE: Ms. Hollars, how does he react when you come into the room wearing a Haleigh T-shirt?

HOLLARS: Well, it`s my daughter that normally comes into the room wearing one, and he`ll normally turn around and walk out.

GRACE: Has he ever talked to you about the night Haleigh went missing?

HOLLARS: No, ma`am.

GRACE: Have you asked him?

HOLLARS: Not really.

GRACE: Why?

HOLLARS: He just throws his hands up and says, "F" it, and then he`ll get up and walk away.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1004/15/ng.01.html

GRANDMA – FLORA HOLLARS

Part Two

Nancy Grace – April 15, 2010-04-15

NANCY GRACE, HOST: Did Tommy Croslin call you from behind bars? And if so, what did he say?

FLORA HOLLARS, MISTY`S AND JOE`S GRANDMOTHER:: He told me he was crying. And he says, Nanny, I`ve got to break down. I`ve got to tell somebody. And I told him, I says, Tommy, I know in my heart exactly what you`re fixing to say. He says, Nanny, what do you mean? I said, Are you going to tell me that Joe did this? He says, Yes, Nanny, Joe did.

GRACE: Joining us tonight is a very special guest, a guest who has been through hell. With us is Flora Hollars. That`s Misty Croslin and Joe Overstreet`s grandmother.

Ms. Hollars, you have heard now three different versions of what happened the night Haleigh went missing. What is the most recent version you have been told?

HOLLARS: What I was told by Misty this morning was that Tommy and Joe took Haleigh and wrapped a yellow rope around her and carried her to the dock and tied a brick around the bottom -- the other end of the rope and throwed her into the river. Now, that come from Misty`s mouth into my ear.

GRACE: This morning?

HOLLARS: Yes, ma`am.

GRACE: Could I ask you why they would have done that? Joe Overstreet and Tommy Croslin, why they would have done that? Had they allegedly molested Haleigh?

HOLLARS: That I don`t know.

GRACE: Why would they just throw her in the water?

HOLLARS: I don`t know. (INAUDIBLE) continue to talk to Misty, she`s going to tell me.

GRACE: OK. What is the second version you were told about Haleigh`s death?

HOLLARS: I was told that Misty had knocked her in the head and killed her and that Joe and Tommy got rid of her.

GRACE: Knocked her in the head with what, a cinderblock?

HOLLARS: No, just a piece of wood or something, is the way that it was put to me. But I didn`t believe that when I heard it.

GRACE: Who told you that?

HOLLARS: It come from one of them in Florida, is all I can say.

GRACE: Did they say why Misty would have struck 5-year-old Haleigh?

HOLLARS: No, they didn`t.

GRACE: OK. Ms. Hollars...

HOLLARS: (INAUDIBLE) overdose.

GRACE: What was the first story you were told about Haleigh`s death?

HOLLARS: First thing that I was told was that Joe had killed her. That was the first words that I was told.

GRACE: Why was -- why did he kill her in the first version?

HOLLARS: That I don`t have any idea. I don`t even know whether she was dead when she hit the water or not.

GRACE: Who told you the first version?

HOLLARS: Oh, that may have came from Misty. I`m not sure.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1004/15/ng.01.html

GRANDMA – FLORA HOLLARS

Part Three

Nancy Grace – April 15, 2010-04-15

NANCY GRACE, HOST: We are taking your calls live. Before we go to the lines, I want to go back to Ms. Flora Hollars, joining us tonight in a primetime exclusive. This is Misty Croslin and Joe Overstreet`s grandmother. Ms. Hollars, again, thank you for being with us.

FLORA HOLLARS, MISTY`S AND JOE`S GRANDMOTHER: You`re welcome.

GRACE: And my question regarding the three versions you`ve been told -- who knows if any of them are true -- that you were told in each of these scenarios, where was Croslin? In the first scenario, the one that Croslin told you this morning, where was Croslin when everything happened?

HOLLARS: She didn`t tell me that.

GRACE: She just said that Joe Overstreet killed Misty -- killed Haleigh?

HOLLARS: He and Tommy -- she said Joe Overstreet and Tommy wrapped the rope around Haleigh and carried her to the dock at the St. John`s River and put a block around the other end of the rope and throwed her in the river.

GRACE: But what, Ms. Hollars, could be their possible motivation for killing a 5-year-old girl?

HOLLARS: That`s something that I don`t know! There`s three grandkids of mine that`s involved in this, and I don`t know why! But I`d sure like to know why. They have no remorse or something. But nobody decided to say anything until I broke Tommy on the phone Sunday. And yes, I`m the one that called the detectives. And yes, I`m the one that sent them to the river!

GRACE: Well, God bless you. God bless you for finally bringing some peace to this case. I pray to God in heaven that it does. Ms. Hollars...

HOLLARS: I hope so.

GRACE: Ms. Hollars, when Joe -- excuse me -- when Tommy Croslin calls you from the jail crying, what did he say happened?

HOLLARS: He was crying. And I told him, I said, You failed your lie detector test, didn`t you, Tommy? He says, Yes, I did. And I told him, I says, Now it`s time for it to come to a head. I want to know right now. In my heart, I already know. I said, Did Joe do this? He says, Yes, Nanny, Joe did. But he never implicated himself at that time. Misty`s the one that implicated Joe and Tommy.

GRACE: Did Tommy Croslin...

HOLLARS: Misty is coming clean.

GRACE: Did Tommy Croslin tell you what happened, other than he just killed her?

HOLLARS: That`s all he said.

GRACE: I want to remind everyone that according to police, none of the three -- Croslin, Tommy Croslin or Joe Overstreet -- are persons of interest or suspects in Haleigh`s disappearance

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1004/15/ng.01.html

My guess FWIW, I think Lindsy got it from Tommy once and for all. I think she threatened to leave him or she did leave him and it put him over the edge. Where is Lindsy?

updated article

snipped

Sources confirmed to Channel 4 that two cinder blocks were pulled from the river. They said they have no information about a yellow rope. The cinder blocks, along with everything else have been sent out to be analyzed. It is unclear if they are connected to Haleigh's case.


http://www.news4jax.com/news/23167951/detail.html

GRANDMA – FLORA HOLLARS

Part Fou
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Nancy Grace – April 15, 2010-04-15

NANCY GRACE, HOST: Then why, I`m wondering, the dock? The dock? Why would they bring Misty Croslin out to the edge of the dock as she`s pointing out if that were not the spot they used, allegedly -- according to reports, no suspect, no persons of interest -- to throw the child into the water.

Back to our special guest tonight, Flora Hollars. This is Misty Croslin`s and Joe Overstreet`s grandmother. Miss Hollars is joining us out of West Nashville, Tennessee.

Miss Hollars, have police spoken to you? Of course they have because you called them and told them.

FLORA HOLLARS, MISTY CROSLIN AND JOE OVERSTREET`S GRANDMOTHER: I`ve talked to the police in Florida. I`m the one that told the police in Florida where to look at.

GRACE: Miss Hollars, in any -- in any of these scenarios did anybody ever tell Ronald Cummings what happened to his daughter?

HOLLARS: Not that I know of. I don`t think they have. Well, maybe his mom and them the other day when they was at the jail because I`ve talked to them, too.

GRACE: What did they have to say about all of this? Did they believe it?

HOLLARS: Yes, ma`am, they did.

GRACE: Are you still in touch with Misty Croslin, or has the jail cut off her phone access?

HOLLARS: They had cut off my phone access, but they put it back on again this morning so she could call. That`s how I got the information this morning.

GRACE: I see the photo behind you of you and Misty Croslin. Do you think she could have had anything to do with this?

HOLLARS: No, ma`am, I really don`t think she could. Misty`s too good with kids. Misty loves kids. She`s had an opportunity to hurt them all and she`s kept every one of them. I don`t believe Misty had any involvement whatsoever.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1004/15/ng.01.html

since they are all liars.... every single one of them
how about this... joe brings pills for sale ron steals them joe decides to steal his gun as payback ron finds gun gets it back meanwhile misty tries to trap ron with false pregnancy (imo most people do that after they already f'ed up and are trying to weasel their way back in so who knows what may have triggered misty to ull that stunt then but anyways) and he doesn't like that so he throws her in a mirror and tells her to leave misty goes on spree of drugs and sex for several days and sleeps with a black guy they meet back up after to work it out ron needs a sitter and misty needs a sugar daddy that she can screw over... she lets her brother know that they will get that gun they fight all night then surpress the hate and have sex then ron is off to work misty plans ahead for the break in and doses haleigh a little telling her its candy then they eat dinner then haleigh is a brat so misty goes to auto ignore and haleigh eats more meds... misty tries to stay awake for the gun swap but tommy has to pound on the door to wake her up the gun is not there but a dead haleigh is they stage the house and take the van to their mothers and walk haleigh to the dock and get rid of the evidence
tommy stle a gun because  he had the opportunity to from a blind old man if he had the opportunity to steal one from ron and blame joe he would

There is a rumor going around.. Dont know if it is true LP is going to try to bond Ron out.. Also a comment left from Kayla Jo'es sister..


http://marinadedave.wordpress.com/2010/04/13/talk-to-tommy/

Thx, n2wishin............ wow, I would think it would be hard to link a particular plain cinder block to a case, unless there was something attached to it.

OMG! This is too awful for words.

I think Haleigh was killed by a gang member because Ron owed him money. I think they all tried to stage a cover up and got rid of Haleigh's body to protect Ron.  Fear of Ron and gang members motivated them all to participate. None of them, cousins, and other kin are  smart enough or would kill a child, one of their own no matter their lifestyles. If it was Joe I believe he would have been back in Satsuma by now and in custody for suspicion of murder. It is not possible that Ron would not "get" whoever did this to his daughter ::MonkeyMad:: especially a family member.  He covered up because to report the truth would implicate him with illegal activities and and retribution from the gang.

not if it's done in a river... then you could just rinse off and go home and dry your clothes
turners effects breathing od slows/stops breathing peole with limited breathing capacity actually adapt t needing less air... could be she had extremely low pulse and breath and they thought she was dead

Nancy Grace – April 15, 2010

FLORA HOLLARS, MISTY`S AND JOE`S GRANDMOTHER:  What I was told by Misty this morning was that Tommy and Joe took Haleigh and wrapped a yellow rope around her and carried her to the dock and tied a brick around the bottom -- the other end of the rope and throwed her into the river. Now, that come from Misty`s mouth into my ear.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1004/15/ng.01.html

I believe they are used by some as anchors so it might now be that unusual to find them near a dock........

There was a very good point brought up on NG tonight (believe it or not) that murdered children were very often killed by the non-parent, the live-in....and usually as some sort of revenge.
We know Misty and RC had been fighting, her being gone for three days and him dragging her back. She did not want to babysit, all strung out and pizzed off. If Hayleigh acted up at all, I hate to think what happened.
I've always felt bad that Misty was allowed by her god awful parents to only have a 6th grade education. How did they get away with that? Guess I'll need to get over it.

But after 14 months there is no way to know if she was alive when she went in the water, so I just don't think an overdose at home is what happened. Something bad happened at that dock and whatever it was everyone involved that was there knows the child died there- that is the only way LE would know that is where she died.

Ron himself on the drug bust tapes said that "dope boys' don't do it like that. If they want to teach you a lesson they come in and shoot up your girlfriend and family and leave them there (something along that line) He shot that theory down himself, so  ??

I feel the same no way would they leave Joe to roam free "a killer" he would be booked for something you would think, especially after LE inforcemant announced it was a homicide and Haleigh was gone.  Just do not buy the "Joe did it" story.  And will state again JMO but what would make them so beholding and protective of Ronald Cummings?  Just can't quite figure that one out.

How about this.  Misty just got dragged back after screwing around all weekend. Ron's mad. She's tired and pissed. She calls TN to help, she says no. Maybe Haleigh has some sort of breathing trouble, needs her inhaler. Misty doesn't bother or is asleep.  She wakes up and finds Haleigh looking dead, maybe she tells Ron and he doesn't want any trouble to lose Jr., She calls Tommy.  They decide she must be dead, take her to the water and do the cinder block and the maybe the stabbing too (sorry)
When Ron gets home...lights camera action....everybody cover everybody's a**

I'm wondering if there will ever be another high profile, missing child's case again without LP inserting himself? Thanks for the link, Jerseygirl! It never ceases to amaze me when I see images of the "family/suspects/persons of interest" in Haleigh's case.  If you line those images up, it could be a poster for the movie "Deliverance"

I wouldn't feel that way if Haleigh were alive, and well cared for, but knowing she depended on these people and died because of their neglect or even at their hands, certainly colors the way I see them.

Ron is a hardcore violent psychopath. I still fall off my chair every time NG tries to gain some sort of sympathy for him. That has to be an act.

If Ron cut the head off a dead rat and sent it to Nancy, like he did to Tommy, we`d be having a week worth of shows on in it.

...and now out to Sue Moss!

(http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w214/iliketoN0KTEM/Sue.jpg)

If Lucy and John David saw the dead rat...

Ron Cummings will be getting a prison tat!


Nipsey Russell, what say you?

I don't know why LP has to insert himself. He was wrong with Casey also he had so many changing theories. Then comes Misty ready to bond her out, putting money in her
canteen account, giving the Misty's parents money and a car. If he is thinking to bond Ron out another mistake. Ron is just as responsible for the negliect and endangerment of Haleigh.. Ron still IMO still on the my list as his actions are not clear. I can't wait to see the phone records.. Let em all rot in jail..