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Natalee Holloway => LCD Archive => Topic started by: klaasend on February 01, 2007, 12:38:33 PM



Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: klaasend on February 01, 2007, 12:38:33 PM
Let's hope 2007 brings Justice for Natalee

(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e82/klaasend2/candleman2justice2007.jpg)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on February 02, 2007, 11:43:28 AM
OUCH!! My tail!  My tail!  Boy, when Klaas speaks everyone had better listen. :roll:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Peaches on February 02, 2007, 11:48:28 AM
Made it!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: klaasend on February 02, 2007, 11:48:33 AM
Sorry about that.  My father inlaw is in the hospital and we need to go see him.  He's going to be OK so don't worry.  Also, I need to swing by the school as my class starts Monday.

Be back later!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on February 02, 2007, 12:00:20 PM
Quote from: "Peaches"
Made it!


Peaches
Is your DH the director on that video?  I love barbershop!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Florida on February 02, 2007, 12:03:48 PM
Quote: Ms.DarthVada: O/T
To all our Florida Monkeys, I hope you are all safe and were not affected by the swath of tornadoes early this moring.

I have heard from my family down there and all are safe.

I know "Florida" is in that area, I hope she is safe too.
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Thank you for your concern Vada...It was truly scary!!!
I had forgotten you have family in Zephyrhills....I hope they are okay.
Seems the real damage may have been done elsewhere.

Curious why you chose to name me apart from the "Florida Monkeys"?
I do share my info & opinions here....... :(


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on February 02, 2007, 12:08:29 PM
Sorry, had to make a call and logged out for a bit.

If GVC's sister was in the reenactment, I missed that discussion, or it went over my head.  Seems conflict of interest is of no importance in Aruba.  Just thinking of all the blood lines intertwined on the island and the players we're aware of, whether suspect, witness or ALE....

Peaches, I have to go back and check out the link....


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: msmarple on February 02, 2007, 12:15:11 PM
Quote from: "Florida"
Quote: Ms.DarthVada: O/T
To all our Florida Monkeys, I hope you are all safe and were not affected by the swath of tornadoes early this moring.

I have heard from my family down there and all are safe.

I know "Florida" is in that area, I hope she is safe too.
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Thank you for your concern Vada...It was truly scary!!!
I had forgotten you have family in Zephyrhills....I hope they are okay.
Seems the real damage may have been done elsewhere.

Curious why you chose to name me apart from the "Florida Monkeys"?
I do share my info & opinions here....... :(


Hey Florida - I think MsDarth was saying words to the effect that we don't know where exactly all our Florida folks are, but we do know you are in the area that was affected ... (that's the way I read it).


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: MsVada on February 02, 2007, 12:15:18 PM
Quote from: "Florida"
Quote: Ms.DarthVada: O/T
To all our Florida Monkeys, I hope you are all safe and were not affected by the swath of tornadoes early this moring.

I have heard from my family down there and all are safe.

I know "Florida" is in that area, I hope she is safe too.
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Thank you for your concern Vada...It was truly scary!!!
I had forgotten you have family in Zephyrhills....I hope they are okay.
Seems the real damage may have been done elsewhere.

Curious why you chose to name me apart from the "Florida Monkeys"?
I do share my info & opinions here....... :(


Oh, I am glad you are ok.   I didn't mean to set you apart, sorry if it looked that way,  I wanted to distinguish I was asking about you specifically, not the state of florida.  sorry if I offended.  :oops:

My sister is in Paisley,  she was borderline hysterical upset when I talked with her on the cellphone.  Thats how I knew there were 11 dead in her small town, before it was on the news.  :cry:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: dkpen on February 02, 2007, 12:16:29 PM
Hi everyone!

I found this old post on an old site from very early on in the investigation. A poster from Aruba put this up. Confirms what we've learned all along about Joran and his gang of so called PIMPS and other males on that sick island.

For those interested....


#90 2005-06-17 00:40
Michael
Guest Re: Joran Van Der Sloot, house searchedKevin it was reported from a parent of one one of the kids in Aruba, the thing about Joran being a bully I didn't make it up. Wether the kids mother was telling the truth I don't know, all I know is she is there and I am in Boston. 4G63 might be able to verify this when he gets on tommorow, he works right down the road from the HOliday Inn and Marriot in Aruba he has been very informative so far.




#94 2005-06-17 08:06
4G63
Guest Re: Joran Van Der Sloot, house searched Hello guys,

I've been offline for awhile.
No interesting news up to now. The only thing I've heard is that they arrested two persons more yesterday, but I can't confirm that yet.

As I said before, there's a group of spoiled rich boys in Aruba, that target American teen girls, specially the drunken ones in the night clubs, and push them with drugs (coke and xtc).
I think that Van Der Slob is part of that group.

I frequent Carlos & Charlies almost every weekend, and I've seen these spoiled kids how they start sweet talking these drunken girls and then leave with them too. God knows what they do with them, nothing good I think.

So, sammy this a wake up call for you!
Looks don't count, is the mentality of the person is what you first must get to know. I've heard that Joran has anger management problems. If Natalee was murdered, let's hope not, then this Dutch punk is the main suspect. If it was murder, once again let's hope not, then he tried to have sex with her, and then Natalee refused, he got angry and choked her to death.

http://hcgtv.net/viewtopic.php?id=1110&p=4


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: MsVada on February 02, 2007, 12:16:53 PM
still havent heard from father in law in zephyrhills yet.  I'm hoping they are fine too.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: sharon on February 02, 2007, 12:17:45 PM
Quote from: "Florida"
Quote: Ms.DarthVada: O/T
To all our Florida Monkeys, I hope you are all safe and were not affected by the swath of tornadoes early this moring.

I have heard from my family down there and all are safe.

I know "Florida" is in that area, I hope she is safe too.
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Thank you for your concern Vada...It was truly scary!!!
I had forgotten you have family in Zephyrhills....I hope they are okay.
Seems the real damage may have been done elsewhere.

Curious why you chose to name me apart from the "Florida Monkeys"?
I do share my info & opinions here....... :(


We were not affected this far south.

I am trying to reach my sister in Ocala, my sil in Zephyrhills and 2 cousins -- Tarpon Springs and Ft Pierce. But they could all fine and at work.

Florida -- are  you receiving any updates on your local news (I'm assuming you are north of South Florida)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: MsVada on February 02, 2007, 12:20:33 PM
I keep checking www.wesh.com to see updates too.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on February 02, 2007, 12:21:17 PM
Oh Goodness!  This destruction is just terrible.  The more I see the worse it looks.  I just heard someone say one area covered over 20 square miles.  It appears that some of these areas are rural enough to be almost impossible to check out in a hurry.  

Today is a good day for our prayer time.  So many people in need.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: dkpen on February 02, 2007, 12:30:54 PM
That I know of, North West Florida was not damaged from any tornado's. I will keep an eye on the news here. It appears and sounds like more central Florida.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on February 02, 2007, 12:31:04 PM
Just a little Shango before I go.  Well, it's more a Simian thing.    Last night I was listening to late night talk radio, yes it was Coast to Coast AM, and the host, George Noory mentioned something that caught my attention.  He was talking about dopplegangers.  He said something to the effect that dopplegangers are not just similar or carbon copies of a person but they are the "other" side of them.  As in the bad side of the person.  All those wheels began to turn in my mind and things started to click.  What if Simian's doppleganger posted in order to do just the opposite of what the original Simian was trying to do.  If you read the posts of the doppleganger, as determined by Klaas, then you have the beginnings of a disagreement between Simian and Shango.  That is where the story of the decapitated head was washing ashore and so forth.  Shango finally calls this Simian on it.  Instead of thinking that both Simians were working together our doppleganger was making every effort to distract.  I know this is nothing new, just sort of made sense to me at the time.   Sorry, I have digressed here.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: MsVada on February 02, 2007, 12:31:53 PM
My sister just told me that 2 of the people confirmed dead are students at Umatilla HS.  One of them is my nephews friend,  and he has another friend that is missing.

She's so upset at the lack of coverage in her area where the majority of the deaths were.  They keep taling about Lady Lake, like nothing else happened to anyone else around there.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Kimmy53 on February 02, 2007, 12:40:55 PM
Prayers for all of those in the area of tornadoes and all of ya'll with family and loved ones.... This is terrible... All monkeys in FLA - please stay safe!   I am so sorry for those who have been affected by this.  My heart is broken . :cry:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Florida on February 02, 2007, 12:42:58 PM
Quote from: "sharon"
 
We were not affected this far south.

I am trying to reach my sister in Ocala, my sil in Zephyrhills and 2 cousins -- Tarpon Springs and Ft Pierce. But they could all fine and at work.

Florida -- are  you receiving any updates on your local news (I'm assuming you are north of South Florida)


What I'm getting from the News is essentially Central Florida was hit very hard....Volusia county, Lake county & Sumtner.....3-4 am...All I heard last night, when it woke me up, was the loudest, strongest winds I've ever heard!!!!  It sounded like baseballs were hitting the windows....I dared not look out....No damage outside today here....N. of Tarpon Springs....

Praying all in  Lady Lake, Central county are safe!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Mere on February 02, 2007, 12:57:46 PM
Quote from: "Ms.DarthVada"
My sister just told me that 2 of the people confirmed dead are students at Umatilla HS.  One of them is my nephews friend,  and he has another friend that is missing.

She's so upset at the lack of coverage in her area where the majority of the deaths were.  They keep taling about Lady Lake, like nothing else happened to anyone else around there.


Ms....I checked Mapquest to see how close this was to where I lived in New Port Richey...not close but I did see that mapquest has aerial views of that part of Florida....it looks open and rural....with lakes and trees and some farmland....there is nothing to stop or divert these storms....and I also knew that there was no place to hide....every single room had windows...that included bathrooms....I am so glad that your sister is ok but there will be so much to do to bring these communities back.....
FEMA uses trailers....and you can see what happens to a trailer in one of these storms..... :(


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Florida on February 02, 2007, 12:58:21 PM
The hardest hit area: Lake county, FL  Fourteen people killed!

Lake County Florida Cities/Towns - Altoona, Astatula, Astor, Bassville Park, Clermont, Eustis, Forest Hills, Fruitland Park, Grand Island, Groveland, Howey-In-The-Hills, Lady Lake, Leesburg, Mascotte, Minneola, Montverde, Mount Dora, Mount Plymouth, Okahumpka, Paisley, Sorrento, Tavares (County Seat), Umatilla, Yalaha

(http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b223/NYSusan/florida-county-map.gif)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Mere on February 02, 2007, 01:28:48 PM
Red Cross is encouraging the use of it's Website to look for family and friends and to list those people who are "Safe and Well"....this is the site...not much used yet....

https://disastersafe.redcross.org/


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: MsVada on February 02, 2007, 01:44:28 PM
Thanks Memere' I'll make sure I let my sister know.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Mere on February 02, 2007, 01:49:14 PM
Quote from: "Ms.DarthVada"
Thanks Memere' I'll make sure I let my sister know.


Ms.DV.....during the aftermath of Katrina, we went on local TV and Newspaper blogs to find family.  Sometimes it took a few minutes....sometimes it took days....but these blogs had so much other
information also....what businesses were open...where you could get water and food and gas....where you could find shelters...etc.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: MsVada on February 02, 2007, 02:30:25 PM
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a229/msdarthvada/paisleyflorida.jpg)


This is about a mile from my sisters house in Paisley


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: msmarple on February 02, 2007, 02:41:16 PM
The four counties hit hard are: Lake, Seminole, Sumter, Volusia.

Damage known in DeLand, Hontoon Island, Lady Lake (3 deaths), New Smyrna Beach, Orange City, Paisley (11 deaths).

The area is just barely north of Orlando and extends from central Fla. almost to the Atlantic in the vicinity of Daytona Beach.

Link to The Orlando Sentinel:

http://www.orlandosentinel.com

The paper's blog about the storm:
http://www.topix.net/forum/source/orlando-sentinel/TKKIBCNVVIOMO6ERE


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: msmarple on February 02, 2007, 02:48:56 PM
Red Cross Safe & Well site - list yourself as okay, and/or search for others.

https://disastersafe.redcross.org/Default.aspx


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: hummingbird7525 on February 02, 2007, 03:17:37 PM
Good Afternoon my Monkeys:
I hope all your loved ones (even those that arn't your loved ones) are okay in Florida,so sad.
I don't know if this has been posted or not.  I hope I can bring it over to the cage, as never done this before. It looks like good news to me.....

http://www.caribbeannetnews.com/cgi-script/csArticles/articles/000057/005714.htm


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: hummingbird7525 on February 02, 2007, 03:21:53 PM
Could anyone find the actual warning that was sent out.  I wouldn't know where to start. :oops: tia


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on February 02, 2007, 03:26:24 PM
Quote from: "hummingbird7525"
Good Afternoon my Monkeys:
I hope all your loved ones (even those that arn't your loved ones) are okay in Florida,so sad.
I don't know if this has been posted or not.  I hope I can bring it over to the cage, as never done this before. It looks like good news to me.....

http://www.caribbeannetnews.com/cgi-script/csArticles/articles/000057/005714.htm


Just found a travel site that lists some of the islands hosting matches...Aruba doesn't seem to be one of them:

http://www.virginholidays.co.uk/
brochures/caribbean/info/cricket_world_cup/


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: klaasend on February 02, 2007, 03:36:06 PM
AMERICAN AIRLINES TA CANCELA SU BUELONAN FOR DI NEW YORK PA ARUBA.  This is in todays BONDIA.

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Bondia070207a.jpg


I'm not positive, but it looks to me that American Airlines has canceled a flight or all flights from New York to Aruba???  Hopefully Sandy or someone can translate for us.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: hummingbird7525 on February 02, 2007, 03:58:25 PM
Wouldn't that be great.  If American Airlines cancelled flights there would have to be a real good reason.  I wonder if there are any US warnings out yet. Didn't I read within 30 days there would be something about that happening?  I'm slow, but looking for that.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: klaasend on February 02, 2007, 04:04:07 PM
Quote from: "hummingbird7525"
Wouldn't that be great.  If American Airlines cancelled flights there would have to be a real good reason.  I wonder if there are any US warnings out yet. Didn't I read within 30 days there would be something about that happening?  I'm slow, but looking for that.

To be fair, I'm not sure what the headline says.  I'm guessing.  Hopefully we'll get someone that can translate pap better than me, lol.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on February 02, 2007, 04:12:36 PM
I checked aa.com and also their travel site.  There are flights & reservations still posted as available thruogh 11/29/07.  The article mentions JetBlue...Boston, NYC & San Juan, PR...so it may be a suspension due to connecting flights & JetBlue's schedule....just guessing, and could be totally off.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: hummingbird7525 on February 02, 2007, 04:15:02 PM
okayKlaas, I'll wait with you til we get clarifcation, won't get my hopes up too high.
How is your pa-n-law?  You said he was in hospital, hope he'll be going home soon.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: hummingbird7525 on February 02, 2007, 04:19:58 PM
:roll: sorry I did mean clarification


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on February 02, 2007, 04:30:14 PM
Quote from: "2NJSons_Mom"
Quote from: "hummingbird7525"
Good Afternoon my Monkeys:
I hope all your loved ones (even those that arn't your loved ones) are okay in Florida,so sad.
I don't know if this has been posted or not.  I hope I can bring it over to the cage, as never done this before. It looks like good news to me.....

http://www.caribbeannetnews.com/cgi-script/csArticles/articles/000057/005714.htm


Just found a travel site that lists some of the islands hosting matches...Aruba doesn't seem to be one of them:

http://www.virginholidays.co.uk/
brochures/caribbean/info/cricket_world_cup/


Aruba certainly isn't one of the venues for the cricket.  Closest venue to Aruba is probably Jamaica with matches also in Georgetown, Guyana.  Rest of them in the island group St.Lucia, Barbados etc.  No warnings on any of the official World Cup Cricket websites.  As an Aussie I will taking more than a passing interest in the matches!

Good Morning Monkeys

I do hope all our Florida monkeys and their families are safe.  What dreadful storms.  :cry:

Klaas You will have to have a world wall map with pins in the areas where all your monkey family live.   :wink:

Have not seen Tylergal or IBE posting lately.  Hope they are alright.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Cat on February 02, 2007, 04:41:50 PM
It is always tornado season in the south east.I saw the warning last night,but I am not in the area.I have relatives all over central Florida,no word either way.Hey Tib,The pimps should know not mess with people from down under or the nordic countries,to tough.I mean your water rotates the wrong way and they wouldn't be sure what to do,besides,it is hard to spike a Fosters.I played rugby against some of your countrymen and they are tough.Saw one guy from Hobart get knocked out,carted off and return later.The damage looked to be an F-3 maybe.The Florida area gets lots of tornado's but not the F-5's.I pray everyones family is okay.CAT


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: klaasend on February 02, 2007, 04:46:01 PM
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
Quote from: "2NJSons_Mom"
Quote from: "hummingbird7525"
Good Afternoon my Monkeys:
I hope all your loved ones (even those that arn't your loved ones) are okay in Florida,so sad.
I don't know if this has been posted or not.  I hope I can bring it over to the cage, as never done this before. It looks like good news to me.....

http://www.caribbeannetnews.com/cgi-script/csArticles/articles/000057/005714.htm


Just found a travel site that lists some of the islands hosting matches...Aruba doesn't seem to be one of them:

http://www.virginholidays.co.uk/
brochures/caribbean/info/cricket_world_cup/


Aruba certainly isn't one of the venues for the cricket.  Closest venue to Aruba is probably Jamaica with matches also in Georgetown, Guyana.  Rest of them in the island group St.Lucia, Barbados etc.  No warnings on any of the official World Cup Cricket websites.  As an Aussie I will taking more than a passing interest in the matches!

Good Morning Monkeys

I do hope all our Florida monkeys and their families are safe.  What dreadful storms.  :cry:

Klaas You will have to have a world wall map with pins in the areas where all your monkey family live.   :wink:

Have not seen Tylergal or IBE posting lately.  Hope they are alright.

Tylergal posted a few days ago in the Political forum.  IBE last posted in the LCD thread 1/23 but was having some DSL issues.  IBE may not have internet access right now.

We have several forum members that live in Florida, some have checked in to say they are OK and others we haven't heard from yet.  Hopefully everyone is OK.  Very sad all the death and distruction early this morning with those tornados.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Cat on February 02, 2007, 04:47:34 PM
I saw on Greta that his sister played Natalee,I could be wrong.I was wrong about smelling guilt,I smell fear,which taste better.Did gvcäs sister get to play the pimps or was she off limits.Curious Cat


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: klaasend on February 02, 2007, 04:51:59 PM
Quote from: "Cat"
I saw on Greta that his sister played Natalee,I could be wrong.I was wrong about smelling guilt,I smell fear,which taste better.Did gvcäs sister get to play the pimps or was she off limits.Curious Cat

No, I've seen his sister and she didn't play Natalee.  Give me a minute and I'll post some pictures.

Here's the gal who played Natalee in the Dutch reenactment:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/dutchgirl1.jpg)

Here's GVC and his sister:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/GVCsis.jpg)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on February 02, 2007, 05:05:43 PM
Quote from: "Cat"
It is always tornado season in the south east.I saw the warning last night,but I am not in the area.I have relatives all over central Florida,no word either way.Hey Tib,The pimps should know not mess with people from down under or the nordic countries,to tough.I mean your water rotates the wrong way and they wouldn't be sure what to do,besides,it is hard to spike a Fosters.I played rugby against some of your countrymen and they are tough.Saw one guy from Hobart get knocked out,carted off and return later.The damage looked to be an F-3 maybe.The Florida area gets lots of tornado's but not the F-5's.I pray everyones family is okay.CAT

Hey Cat - you are right, those guys are tough.  Rugby not so popular here but when we moved to Queensland they are a rugby state and you had to learn all about it or be out of the conversation  Got to meet some of the star players and they are big fellows.  Most of the girls here now drink those bottled vodka and fruit juice drinks.  Would be hard to spike those especially if you took the cap off yourself.  Never let your drink out of your hand is a good rule.
I did offer to see if our cricketers would pay a visit to Aruba and smack a few people around with a cricket bat.  Might refresh their memories.
They would get confused going down the plug hole the wrong way  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Cat on February 02, 2007, 05:28:40 PM
Klass,I am not asking,but I noticed a crane collapse on the 405 and some injured,I hope that no one in your family was affected.The girl does look like gvc 's sister,but who really cares.The fact she would be in that reinactment is beneath contempt.Any word from the Dutch.We are approaching the Ides of Feb.Hey Tib,use the flat side of the bat,covers more area.I am going to visit Anzac cove this summer,and will be respectful.Cat


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: klaasend on February 02, 2007, 05:37:32 PM
Quote from: "Cat"
Klass,I am not asking,but I noticed a crane collapse on the 405 and some injured,I hope that no one in your family was affected.The girl does look like gvc 's sister,but who really cares.The fact she would be in that reinactment is beneath contempt.Any word from the Dutch.We are approaching the Ides of Feb.Hey Tib,use the flat side of the bat,covers more area.I am going to visit Anzac cove this summer,and will be respectful.Cat

Cat - I hadn't heard about the crane..let me check where exactly it happened.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: klaasend on February 02, 2007, 05:40:58 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Cat"
Klass,I am not asking,but I noticed a crane collapse on the 405 and some injured,I hope that no one in your family was affected.The girl does look like gvc 's sister,but who really cares.The fact she would be in that reinactment is beneath contempt.Any word from the Dutch.We are approaching the Ides of Feb.Hey Tib,use the flat side of the bat,covers more area.I am going to visit Anzac cove this summer,and will be respectful.Cat

Cat - I hadn't heard about the crane..let me check where exactly it happened.


Location of crane falling over on freeway:

NB I405 AT VENTURA BLVD

1:06PM LAPD 265 LL, REQ ETA, ADV PARTY TRAPPED
1:03PM PER RP,CRANE FELL ON TOP OF VEHS
1:02PM 1039 LAFD OP#85
1:01PM CRANE FRM CONSTRUCTION FELL DOWN BLKING TRFFC LNS

Looks like they brought in a helicopter for the injured.

Crane collapse blocks northbound 405
By Jesus Sanchez
Times Staff Writer

2:16 PM PST, February 2, 2007

From latimes.com:

The northbound 405 Freeway was closed in Sherman Oaks this afternoon after a giant construction crane collapsed onto part of the roadway.

A person trapped inside the collapsed crane was shown being removed from the wreckage by emergency personnel, according to television news broadcasts.

The crane collapsed about 1 p.m., prompting the California Highway Patrol to close all northbound lanes at Ventura Boulevard. The southbound carpool lane was also closed, according to CHP spokesman Patrick Kimball.

The freeway lanes could remain closed until 5 p.m., according to the most recent estimates, he said.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on February 02, 2007, 05:42:03 PM
Quote from: "Cat"
Klass,I am not asking,but I noticed a crane collapse on the 405 and some injured,I hope that no one in your family was affected.The girl does look like gvc 's sister,but who really cares.The fact she would be in that reinactment is beneath contempt.Any word from the Dutch.We are approaching the Ides of Feb.Hey Tib,use the flat side of the bat,covers more area.I am going to visit Anzac cove this summer,and will be respectful.Cat


Cat,  Anzac Cove is one place I would really love to visit.  Please tell us all about it when you return.  They have done a lot of work there making larger car parking space etc., so I hope they have not spoiled the aura of the place.
There were a lot of brave men lost their lives there from both sides of the conflict.  I know the Anzacs had great respect for their Turkish opponents.  They would take a "day off" from the battle to bury their dead or have a smoke with their enemies.  I am sure I have read that they had an unofficial truce for Christmas Day and shared their rations with the enemies then went back to the battle the next day.   Animals are much wiser than humans


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Cat on February 02, 2007, 05:52:00 PM
The man who took control of the Turks and founded modern Turkey had great respect for the Anzacs.He spoke of their bravery often as he did of his troops.The area is not commercial.I am being a tour from a leader at their Milatary acadamy.I guess you would know what she looks like ,but they could be sisters from where I sit.I still believe that gvc and his family(know the truth,yes I beleive his sister does.You can't be a cop and be part of this cover up imo.If the pavement is intact on the roads,it is not an f-5 tornado.CAT


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Cat on February 02, 2007, 05:54:39 PM
OK,My wife has reading the SM too.She called DH today.I am being watched,also.CAT


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: klaasend on February 02, 2007, 06:07:44 PM
Quote from: "Cat"
OK,My wife has reading the SM too.She called DH today.I am being watched,also.CAT


 :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Sleuth on February 02, 2007, 06:54:08 PM
No tornados down my way today.  My heart goes out to those that were impacted though.

Hoepfully I will survive tomorrow night, however.  Going on a moonlight bike ride.  Last week when I was on the same trail during the day,  I took this photo.  (No, San, I did not feed it marshmallows  :lol: )

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a335/my_photos_/Alligator1.jpg)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on February 02, 2007, 07:04:14 PM
Prayers going out to FL folks..  so sad.. those who lost lives are in my prayers..  :(  

Sleuth..  YIKES!!   Umm.. how close were you to that gator when you took the photo?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on February 02, 2007, 07:05:22 PM
Quote from: "Cat"
OK,My wife has reading the SM too.She called DH today.I am being watched,also.CAT


 LOL  Cat..


Title: Update
Post by: IBE on February 02, 2007, 07:14:06 PM
Hello everyone. I have missed you... Been offline for almost two weeks..Verizon phone line problems, inside wiring problems and a tab caught in my ans. machine/phone. Took it apart but wasn't successful so new machine. Also my hard disk drive went down, 2nd time in 2 months.

Don't know why, but sure would like to know. Apple replaced it. I have Macs for years and more trouble lately, but I am online more too so???

Klaas, the TV just said the 405 would open in next 1/2 hr. Heard about it hear, just now... we have 5 of those cranes along the 405 in "my" city.

Seems many of those in FLA were in trailers. Chances in one of those is so slim in disasters.

What have I missed in the last 2 weeks? Any news re: Natalee and/or the court cases? the Dutch Team? or ?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: San on February 02, 2007, 07:14:19 PM
Quote from: "Sleuth"
No tornados down my way today.  My heart goes out to those that were impacted though.

Hoepfully I will survive tomorrow night, however.  Going on a moonlight bike ride.  Last week when I was on the same trail during the day,  I took this photo.  (No, San, I did not feed it marshmallows  :lol: )

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a335/my_photos_/Alligator1.jpg)

Hopefully you zoomed in and you weren't that close. :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on February 02, 2007, 07:15:54 PM
Good to see you IBE~!!
San I agee with yah..  thats a little too close for me.. hope Sleuth was far away!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: cubbeegirl on February 02, 2007, 07:18:51 PM
Good Evening monkeys! Going to go O/T here and ask for prayers for my friends 13 year old daughter who has been missing since yesterday afternoon. Monkey prayers would be much appreciated,I posted about her on the missing persons forum.....TYIA


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: klaasend on February 02, 2007, 07:18:59 PM
Hi IBE!

I just read at the CHP site they were going to keep the freeway closed longer.  

The Dr. Phil attorneys responded to the Kalpoe suit.  I've posted it in this thread.

http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?t=808

Have not heard a word about the Dutch investigators.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: oldfart on February 02, 2007, 07:20:42 PM
Good Day Monkeys

I do hope our Monkeys and/or their family & Friends in Florida are Ok.

I'm betting the Dr. Phil suit  never makes it to court.

(http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c314/OldF/dr_phil.jpg)

JMO of course

Oh and I see CBB has busy again  :shock:   :roll:  :lol: (http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c314/OldF/StPatOFt.gif)

She actually managed to make me kind cute looking (to me anyway) Thank You CBB
I'm just glad she / Klaasend and others are not charging big $$ for their fantastic creations that they present to us.


Title: Re: Update
Post by: San on February 02, 2007, 07:21:37 PM
Quote from: "IBE"
Hello everyone. I have missed you... Been offline for almost two weeks..Verizon phone line problems, inside wiring problems and a tab caught in my ans. machine/phone. Took it apart but wasn't successful so new machine. Also my hard disk drive went down, 2nd time in 2 months.

Don't know why, but sure would like to know. Apple replaced it. I have Macs for years and more trouble lately, but I am online more too so???

Klaas, the TV just said the 405 would open in next 1/2 hr. Heard about it hear, just now... we have 5 of those cranes along the 405 in "my" city.

Seems many of those in FLA were in trailers. Chances in one of those is so slim in disasters.

What have I missed in the last 2 weeks? Any news re: Natalee and/or the court cases? the Dutch Team? or ?

IBE here is the link to Dr. Phil's response to the Kalpoe lawsuit.

http://tinyurl.com/2oc5t8


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Cat on February 02, 2007, 07:22:25 PM
hey Sleuth,they are harmless until the temp. is 60 or above.IMO Well Klass I don't know where the 405 is don't care,but I just hope the guy is okay.I guess you have been to aruba or seen some of these creatures live.My sister has been,but she  doesn't remember a lot.I still find the vc involment a betrayal of trust,and my old friend Dante dropped and told where he see's going.I have only seen one of the pimps,at a wine tasting and I just watched.He was completely unaware how many people wished him badly.So much for my rant,on the vc's.Cat


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Cat on February 02, 2007, 07:24:07 PM
Yes,you have to demand a retraction,by law.wopps,cat


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: San on February 02, 2007, 07:28:31 PM
Quote from: "Cat"
hey Sleuth,they are harmless until the temp. is 60 or above.IMO Well Klass I don't know where the 405 is don't care,but I just hope the guy is okay.I guess you have been to aruba or seen some of these creatures live.My sister has been,but she  doesn't remember a lot.I still find the vc involment a betrayal of trust,and my old friend Dante dropped and told where he see's going.I have only seen one of the pimps,at a wine tasting and I just watched.He was completely unaware how many people wished him badly.So much for my rant,on the vc's.Cat

Cat what does VC stand for? :?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: oldfart on February 02, 2007, 07:28:40 PM
Quote from: "cubbeegirl"
Good Evening monkeys! Going to go O/T here and ask for prayers for my friends 13 year old daughter who has been missing since yesterday afternoon. Monkey prayers would be much appreciated,I posted about her on the missing persons forum.....TYIA


OMG Cubbie...

Try to get you friends / police to call TX EquiSearch (Sp) Now!!!

It seems that Tim Miller's group allways gets called in  when too much time has expired.  
Hugs & Prayers head your way
OldF


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: klaasend on February 02, 2007, 07:29:54 PM
Quote from: "oldfart"
Quote from: "cubbeegirl"
Good Evening monkeys! Going to go O/T here and ask for prayers for my friends 13 year old daughter who has been missing since yesterday afternoon. Monkey prayers would be much appreciated,I posted about her on the missing persons forum.....TYIA


OMG Cubbie...

Try to get you friends / police to call TX EquiSearch (Sp) Now!!!

It seems that Tim Miller's group allways gets called in  when too much time has expired.  
Hugs & Prayers head your way
OldF


Great idea Oldfart.  Phone number at the website:

http://www.texasequusearch.org/


Title: A really big thanks!
Post by: IBE on February 02, 2007, 07:34:50 PM
Wow.. Good Monkeys just read page 2 and you missed me!!! See, the vibs carried over and I check in!!!

Thanks. It feels good to be missed as you are my family!

Still haven't tackled Verizon DSL successfully. Rewiring my mobile home myself has become a challenge.. only blue and white wires at the box and 4 colors inside so will check internet for more instructions.

On ABC news they are going to talk about a program sometime tonight or soon,  so every man and women soldier will come home to a good home coming. It was so sad in Vietnam era when my husband was in the military, would have negatives and our friends, who survived, too.

I know I am really OT.. but I am sooo happy to be back.

Tonight I have to do a 50/50 at the Legion ( I am Auxiliary Pres) at our Fundraiser dinner tonight and do the dishes. I love doing dishes if it's for a good cause! and it is... our Veteran programs and us trying to raise $90 to send one of our Juniors (we mentor in Patriotism, history, leadership) to Leadership camp in April. I am mentoring her to be come Unit Pres. in 2 yrs. when she turns 18. Her goal is to be National Pres.

You know, there are so many baddies in the world., it's a pleasure when your have positives in your families and around you!!

Luckily I don't have to get on the 405, althought the post is just off it! Maybe we will have more for our fundraiser. I should go to an exit with a sign about a 7$ donation for pork dinner (and reduced drink prices) I bet some of them could use a few drinks because of frustration!


Title: Cubbie
Post by: IBE on February 02, 2007, 07:38:16 PM
Cubbie

If you'd feel it's OK.. would you please give more info.. like state, name, location?

Is there an alert on the highways yet??? What highways ie:state..our blog works fast to spread the word.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: oldfart on February 02, 2007, 07:39:26 PM
IBE
Good to see ya back again..

How did you come out with the plants & cold weather and the guy down the street? (Yes I'm behind on things too  :oops: )


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Rob on February 02, 2007, 07:41:37 PM
Cubbee-
Id like to help if I can. I've spent the last year refining some skills.


Title: Re: Cubbie
Post by: oldfart on February 02, 2007, 07:43:43 PM
Quote from: "IBE"
Cubbie

If you'd feel it's OK.. would you please give more info.. like state, name, location?

Is there an alert on the highways yet??? What highways ie:state..our blog works fast to spread the word.


IBE
Im guessing Near New Orleans based upon the meida addy she posted in the Missing forum http://www.wafb.com/Global/story.asp?S=6031484
Like I said just guessing but when they refer to the French Quarter??


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Cat on February 02, 2007, 07:43:56 PM
vc=van cromfelt,I think,the security,drug experts,and filming of hotels and beaches,so to speak.Oh yes,members of the security team and police.Cat


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on February 02, 2007, 07:44:22 PM
IBE  Yes the vibes must work  :lol:   Same as "Shango" works for Lala'smom  :lol:

Fox news showing the dreadful damage from the tornado.  Prayers for all those affected especially those that have lost loved ones.

Cat It seems the watcher is being watched  :lol:  :lol:

San Cat has been aiming at the von Cromvierts (sp) today and rightly so I think.

Cubbee  That is terrible.  I do hope the lass is found safely.

Klaas Received a great email this morning with lots of cute photos of cats etc.  Will send to you as you may like to resize some and post here now and again to amuse the monkeys when things get tense  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: IBE on February 02, 2007, 07:46:12 PM
Hi Old Fart...

I lost the tomatoes (in the ground) (but they were on their last legs two) I lost in containers 3/4 of the poinsettas, and 1/2 of the tropicals... but I think I can make what is left rally around. Thanks for remembering

The underground utility workers told me they'd give me new soil and pick up the old if I'd put it out by my car.. (a really good deal) this way I can plant the tomatoes in the same place this year. I used to have a tradition of planting them on Feb. 7th or so, so will try this year. I have those water tube thingies that will go around them when they are small and protect them.

All 405 except 1 lane open. Backed up still, though.

Have to get dressed to go volunteer. Will check in later! Thanks all

IBE


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Cat on February 02, 2007, 07:46:58 PM
Cubbe,I will help if I know what state ,at least.Oh yeah,their is a group that greets and hugs returning vets,which is a big deal since our last conflicts didn't get a nice greeting upon return.Cat


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Rob on February 02, 2007, 07:48:56 PM
Cubbee- looks like they have a POI.. where is the French Settlement?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Cat on February 02, 2007, 07:48:57 PM
Never did well in spelling or penmanship.hey,I am a cat.CAT


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: klaasend on February 02, 2007, 07:49:05 PM
Tibro - I'm in the middle of cooking dinner so give me a while to check my email for the photos. :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: BTgirl on February 02, 2007, 07:49:57 PM
Cat,

When you get a minute would you please e-mail me at
sockmonkey_mom@yahoo.com

I  might have some information you want.  :wink:

Thanks.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Artcolley on February 02, 2007, 07:51:21 PM
Quote from: "cubbeegirl"
Good Evening monkeys! Going to go O/T here and ask for prayers for my friends 13 year old daughter who has been missing since yesterday afternoon. Monkey prayers would be much appreciated,I posted about her on the missing persons forum.....TYIA


OMG, Cubbee  I hope they find her soon.
I'm praying for her safe return
Poor little thing! :cry:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Rob on February 02, 2007, 07:54:12 PM
Kaitlin-


(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/KaitlinAydell1.jpg)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on February 02, 2007, 07:54:27 PM
Quote from: "Cat"
vc=van cromfelt,I think,the security,drug experts,and filming of hotels and beaches,so to speak.Oh yes,members of the security team and police.Cat


Cat, when you list it all together like that it shows just how they have the whole island covered.  They must know something if not all about the happenings that night and need to talk even if they are involved.

 IBE The public were not very welcoming here when the Viet Vets returned home but many years later they held a parade of the ones still able to attend and there was a wonderful response, so opinions finally changed and now they get a rousing reception at our Anzac Day marches.  I had a brother and a cousin there so I know some of what they had to put up with.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on February 02, 2007, 07:56:16 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Tibro - I'm in the middle of cooking dinner so give me a while to check my email for the photos. :wink:


Don't panic Klaas - I have to clean out all the names and prepare it to resend so sometime in next hour or so  :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: oldfart on February 02, 2007, 08:02:34 PM
Quote from: "IBE"
Hi Old Fart...

I lost the tomatoes (in the ground) (but they were on their last legs two) I lost in containers 3/4 of the poinsettas, and 1/2 of the tropicals... but I think I can make what is left rally around. Thanks for remembering

The underground utility workers told me they'd give me new soil and pick up the old if I'd put it out by my car.. (a really good deal) this way I can plant the tomatoes in the same place this year. I used to have a tradition of planting them on Feb. 7th or so, so will try this year. I have those water tube thingies that will go around them when they are small and protect them.
All 405 except 1 lane open. Backed up still, though.

Have to get dressed to go volunteer. Will check in later! Thanks all

IBE

IBE
New Soil ???  and "water tube thingies" ??
Tubes for watering / irragation ?  
If they had water in them you may have  splits / leaks in them now ..(sorry)

But NEW soil ???  or is that More Soil ?
Just glad you managed to save some and  (as far as I know)  NO frozen pipes in the house.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Rob on February 02, 2007, 08:04:59 PM
its Baton Rouge LA


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: cubbeegirl on February 02, 2007, 08:08:43 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "oldfart"
Quote from: "cubbeegirl"
Good Evening monkeys! Going to go O/T here and ask for prayers for my friends 13 year old daughter who has been missing since yesterday afternoon. Monkey prayers would be much appreciated,I posted about her on the missing persons forum.....TYIA


OMG Cubbie...

Try to get you friends / police to call TX EquiSearch (Sp) Now!!!

It seems that Tim Miller's group allways gets called in  when too much time has expired.  
Hugs & Prayers head your way
OldF


Great idea Oldfart.  Phone number at the website:

http://www.texasequusearch.org/



Sorry for the delayed response, my phone is ringing off the hook. I am going to talk to her mother about TES , I had already thought of that, just dont want to overstep my boundaries without checking with her. This young lady is very special to me . I babysat her for four years and I pick her up from basketball practice alot when she doesn't have a ride.She is like a little sister to my son and my husband calls her his little sweetheart.
From what is going on now it does not look good for her at all. I hear of these things everyday, but this one has hit too close to home and am having a very hard time dealing with it.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: klaasend on February 02, 2007, 08:12:02 PM
Cubbee - what do you know about this guy they have arrested?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: cubbeegirl on February 02, 2007, 08:12:48 PM
Quote from: "Rob"
its Baton Rouge LA


Hi Rob, yes they have a POI . He has told some conflicting stories and has unexplained scratches on his face, he asked a friend to give him an alibi for yesterday afternoon. He lives next door to Kaitlin.... :cry:  :cry:
We have been up all night worrying about her and it is cold and dark and she is still missing.....I dont have a good feeling about this at all....


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: cubbeegirl on February 02, 2007, 08:14:05 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Cubbee - what do you know about this guy they have arrested?



He is married to Kaitlins cousing and I just heard that he has done some time for kidnapping a girl, word is that he raped her also.... not sure about all that, still getting info as we speak...


Title: Threats, cranes, missions
Post by: IBE on February 02, 2007, 08:14:53 PM
Oh, the "man" (see I think he's less than a man) who threatened me and others here, still lives 3 mobile homes away... I haven't seen him lately and I am glad. Still have the shot gun by the bed and the bullets near by and some rifles (but don't have clips so not of use)

I won't be in peace until one of us moves. Ironically, I forgot to lock my door yesterday on the way to the meeting and everything was OK.. so we have goodness here too! We have 99 % goodness here in the gated community.

I wore my red Monkeys' Christmas t=shirt to our meeting last night and was going to use it in my report... but we didn't have a quorum... our group sometimes needs a playground monitor and not a Pres...  (I can say that for I am the Pres and we only have about 5-7 really active members)

So I went in and spoke to our Legion members and told them these were pictures (avatars) of those around the US and the world who work on issures of Missing and Explointed Children etc, (and the un=official grassroots boycott)
T
he main thing was to point out how easy it is under the Internet and http://www.legion.org's Legislative link to send emails to Congress for the Vets and military etc. (I might just start something in the Lounge on this when I return tonight)

I used Scared Monkeys (.net and .com) again, in Sunday's District report in Front of our State President  plus 50 others all over the CA state on Legislative issues, Veterans, Congress, Missing and Explointed Children, etc. Two came up to me and wanted more info on Scared Monkeys. The Pres. gave thanks to Scared Monkeys in her speech later and all of us who write Congress, etc.

Re: cranes... unless a big earthquake.. these "just" don't turn over! I saw someone killed on Blacksheep when the lifting a jeep hit a high voltage line and was in muddy water. We were at Indian dunes (location) and I called in the emerg. call.. via Universial operator.. she wouldn't take me serious when I asked for a 911 line.. I was trying to take care of the survivor what walked in in a daze onto the cot in front of me. Told the operator I would have her job if she didn't cooperate. (at that time I had the networking power to make some ruffles)

The man I helped who stumbled in onto the cot next to the phone until ER arrived about 30 mins. later, years later saw me on a set years later and thanked me. I didn't recognize him for he had looked so bad when I had "met" him previously.

Monkeys... Keep up the Good Work..It's neat to spread the word, when the Word is Good.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: klaasend on February 02, 2007, 08:15:24 PM
Quote from: "cubbeegirl"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Cubbee - what do you know about this guy they have arrested?



He is married to Kaitlins cousing and I just heard that he has done some time for kidnapping a girl, word is that he raped her also.... not sure about all that, still getting info as we speak...

{{HUGS}}


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: IBE on February 02, 2007, 08:18:50 PM
Cubbie.. please keep us posted. No matter how this turns out and if this is the baddie man... we can write letters to the prosecutor and to the judge as a friend of the court to make sure he gets a long sentence with no parole. I hope she is OK... but we can still write if he has hurt her and she survived.

Opps. running late


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: sandy leiva on February 02, 2007, 08:20:38 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
AMERICAN AIRLINES TA CANCELA SU BUELONAN FOR DI NEW YORK PA ARUBA.  This is in todays BONDIA.

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Bondia070207a.jpg


I'm not positive, but it looks to me that American Airlines has canceled a flight or all flights from New York to Aruba???  Hopefully Sandy or someone can translate for us.



CORECTAMUNDO flights cancelled for lack of bookings to "one happy isle" Aruba.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: klaasend on February 02, 2007, 08:22:57 PM
Quote from: "sandy leiva"
Quote from: "klaasend"
AMERICAN AIRLINES TA CANCELA SU BUELONAN FOR DI NEW YORK PA ARUBA.  This is in todays BONDIA.

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Bondia070207a.jpg


I'm not positive, but it looks to me that American Airlines has canceled a flight or all flights from New York to Aruba???  Hopefully Sandy or someone can translate for us.



CORECTAMUNDO flights cancelled for lack of bookings to "one happy isle" Aruba.

 :wink:  :lol:  Gee that's too bad


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: cubbeegirl on February 02, 2007, 08:23:29 PM
Thanks for all the monkey prayers and hugs and well wishes. There are so many places to hide someone around here.... bayous, rivers, woods etc.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: cubbeegirl on February 02, 2007, 08:24:22 PM
Quote from: "IBE"
Cubbie.. please keep us posted. No matter how this turns out and if this is the baddie man... we can write letters to the prosecutor and to the judge as a friend of the court to make sure he gets a long sentence with no parole. I hope she is OK... but we can still write if he has hurt her and she survived.

Opps. running late



Good idea....


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: klaasend on February 02, 2007, 08:25:22 PM
IBE - great job spreading the word!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Cat on February 02, 2007, 08:26:09 PM
They think and believe that a relative of Tara abducted her and killed her later.They really strongly feel this.Yes I had a friend who was killed by a man who had raped her after she told the police and they didn't arrest him.cat I hope they find her alive


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: oldfart on February 02, 2007, 08:26:58 PM
Cubbie
Dis-regard my E-mail about TES.
sorry for thinking it was the New Orleans area

I still say try to have your friends call TES.. while letting the police know they are being called..
 
We are here for you...
Monkey Hugs to you and your friends
(http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c314/OldF/76ffede1.gif)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Rob on February 02, 2007, 08:29:51 PM
is he located in either of these two places?

KENNER, LA
METAIRIE, LA


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: oldfart on February 02, 2007, 08:31:25 PM
IBE
(http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c314/OldF/clap.gif)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Rob on February 02, 2007, 08:32:41 PM
also found him here possibly...

the first one looks best.

BATON ROUGE, LA
DENHAM SPRINGS, LA
MAUREPAS, LA


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Rob on February 02, 2007, 08:35:20 PM
Quote from: "cubbeegirl"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Cubbee - what do you know about this guy they have arrested?



He is married to Kaitlins cousing and I just heard that he has done some time for kidnapping a girl, word is that he raped her also.... not sure about all that, still getting info as we speak...


I found some info that he might have kidnapped a boy????? and handcuffed him? and made him preform some acts... is this right or am I looking at a different person? possibly acted as a cop??? to hand cuff the boy?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on February 02, 2007, 08:35:35 PM
Hi guys!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: klaasend on February 02, 2007, 08:36:14 PM
Quote from: "cubbeegirl"
Quote from: "IBE"
Cubbie.. please keep us posted. No matter how this turns out and if this is the baddie man... we can write letters to the prosecutor and to the judge as a friend of the court to make sure he gets a long sentence with no parole. I hope she is OK... but we can still write if he has hurt her and she survived.

Opps. running late



Good idea....

Watched a video regarding the search.  Here is an idea of the area they are searching.  Very wooded with swampy water, etc.  The water area is below the word water..for some reason my arrow didn't work:


(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/LAWoodedAreacopy.jpg)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: cubbeegirl on February 02, 2007, 08:36:31 PM
Quote from: "Rob"
is he located in either of these two places?

KENNER, LA
METAIRIE, LA



Rob, the guy they have in custody is Mark Sterling Lewis. He lived in French Settlement, La. Not sure where he lived before that, but a friend just told me that he worked in a local store about ten years ago and we though he was strange back then.This is too creepy, and too close to home. That child had every reason the trust that man..... :cry:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Rob on February 02, 2007, 08:36:52 PM
Quote from: "cubbeegirl"
Quote from: "Rob"
its Baton Rouge LA


Hi Rob, yes they have a POI . He has told some conflicting stories and has unexplained scratches on his face, he asked a friend to give him an alibi for yesterday afternoon. He lives next door to Kaitlin.... :cry:  :cry:
We have been up all night worrying about her and it is cold and dark and she is still missing.....I dont have a good feeling about this at all....


My prayers and hopes are with you to give you some comfort in this very difficult time.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: cubbeegirl on February 02, 2007, 08:37:51 PM
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "cubbeegirl"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Cubbee - what do you know about this guy they have arrested?



He is married to Kaitlins cousing and I just heard that he has done some time for kidnapping a girl, word is that he raped her also.... not sure about all that, still getting info as we speak...


I found some info that he might have kidnapped a boy????? and handcuffed him? and made him preform some acts... is this right or am I looking at a different person? possibly acted as a cop??? to hand cuff the boy?



OMG.... where did you find that? Do they have a picture of him?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Rob on February 02, 2007, 08:39:58 PM
Quote from: "cubbeegirl"
Quote from: "Rob"
is he located in either of these two places?

KENNER, LA
METAIRIE, LA



Rob, the guy they have in custody is Mark Sterling Lewis. He lived in French Settlement, La. Not sure where he lived before that, but a friend just told me that he worked in a local store about ten years ago and we though he was strange back then.This is too creepy, and too close to home. That child had every reason the trust that man..... :cry:


cubbee- his common name is making this search very hard.. I actually have a friend name Mark Lewis. I think we all do. Thats whats making it hard to get his background. I have 5 different Mark Lewis'. all middle letter 'S'


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Rob on February 02, 2007, 08:41:00 PM
Quote from: "cubbeegirl"
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "cubbeegirl"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Cubbee - what do you know about this guy they have arrested?



He is married to Kaitlins cousing and I just heard that he has done some time for kidnapping a girl, word is that he raped her also.... not sure about all that, still getting info as we speak...


I found some info that he might have kidnapped a boy????? and handcuffed him? and made him preform some acts... is this right or am I looking at a different person? possibly acted as a cop??? to hand cuff the boy?



OMG.... where did you find that? Do they have a picture of him?


cubbee- I dont have a pic yet. Im looking at five different guys all have the same name.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on February 02, 2007, 08:42:21 PM
Oh, Cubbee: I'm just catching up and this is awful!

What's wrong with some of these monsters!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: cubbeegirl on February 02, 2007, 08:43:35 PM
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "cubbeegirl"
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "cubbeegirl"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Cubbee - what do you know about this guy they have arrested?



He is married to Kaitlins cousing and I just heard that he has done some time for kidnapping a girl, word is that he raped her also.... not sure about all that, still getting info as we speak...


I found some info that he might have kidnapped a boy????? and handcuffed him? and made him preform some acts... is this right or am I looking at a different person? possibly acted as a cop??? to hand cuff the boy?



OMG.... where did you find that? Do they have a picture of him?


cubbee- I dont have a pic yet. Im looking at five different guys all have the same name.



I keep finding different guys too Rob. That is why I asked if you had a pic, to compare with the pic they showed on the news.....


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on February 02, 2007, 08:44:08 PM
BTW, OLDFART, I see you lurking.

Check the lounge under St Patrick's Day avatars.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: oldfart on February 02, 2007, 08:45:37 PM
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
Hi guys!

(http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c314/OldF/wave2.gif) CBB
I see you have had some extra time and feeling artistic (http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c314/OldF/1fc0aead.gif)

I think it was great :lol:  :lol:

Not sure If you got my e-mail... but that may be a good thing

OH
While I'm Posting
HI ROB good to see you


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: cubbeegirl on February 02, 2007, 08:45:55 PM
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
Oh, Cubbee: I'm just catching up and this is awful!

What's wrong with some of these monsters!



I know , how could anyone hurt an innocent child? How can there be such monsters living among us and we dont even know it? How can they be so good at hiding their true self?

BTW, his friend turned him in after he saw that KK was missing ....


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: klaasend on February 02, 2007, 08:48:44 PM
Quote from: "cubbeegirl"
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
Oh, Cubbee: I'm just catching up and this is awful!

What's wrong with some of these monsters!



I know , how could anyone hurt an innocent child? How can there be such monsters living among us and we dont even know it? How can they be so good at hiding their true self?

BTW, his friend turned him in after he saw that KK was missing ....


Cubbee - do you know if this guy goes by "Mark" or "Sterling"?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Rob on February 02, 2007, 08:49:28 PM
Cubbee- Im looking at all these guys, but I need to know where he was before his current address or I need his current address and I can prolly nail it.

OF its always my pleasure to see you too my friend. :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on February 02, 2007, 08:51:05 PM
Cubbee; Hurting children is beyond my understanding, I just can't fathom what circumstances could push anyone across that line... :cry:

OldFart, just checked my mail............turned on the waterworks again.
I love you.

There, now the whole cage knows you and I have a "thing".  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Elaine on February 02, 2007, 08:51:47 PM
Hello everyone. Cubee, this is such sad news, so sorry ! :cry:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: cubbeegirl on February 02, 2007, 08:53:18 PM
Quote from: "Rob"
Cubbee- Im looking at all these guys, but I need to know where he was before his current address or I need his current address and I can prolly nail it.

OF its always my pleasure to see you too my friend. :D



His current address would be Aydell Lane French Settlement, La., someone said that he lived in Denham Springs la. before this, not sure about that one though...ALOT of rumors flying around right now...

They say that they can only hold him for 48 hours on the present charges, not sure about that either....

I am not sure if he went by Mark or Sterling Klaas.....


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on February 02, 2007, 08:58:15 PM
Hi Elaine!

Cubbee, Is that addy near New Orleans?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: oldfart on February 02, 2007, 08:58:25 PM
Quote from: "Rob"
Cubbee- Im looking at all these guys, but I need to know where he was before his current address or I need his current address and I can prolly nail it.

OF its always my pleasure to see you too my friend. :D


Why thank you my young friend...   But you are a streaking
I do not have the "Racer one"  and wish I had a clue  so that I could go a searching.. for :wink:
and yes I did have this one (http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c314/OldF/5677a6dc.jpg)

 :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Rob on February 02, 2007, 08:58:55 PM
Quote from: "cubbeegirl"
Quote from: "Rob"
Cubbee- Im looking at all these guys, but I need to know where he was before his current address or I need his current address and I can prolly nail it.

OF its always my pleasure to see you too my friend. :D



His current address would be Aydell Lane French Settlement, La., someone said that he lived in Denham Springs la. before this, not sure about that one though...ALOT of rumors flying around right now...

They say that they can only hold him for 48 hours on the present charges, not sure about that either....

I am not sure if he went by Mark or Sterling Klaas.....


I found him...well I found all of his relatives anyway... hold on...let me see what I can get here.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: cubbeegirl on February 02, 2007, 08:59:49 PM
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
Hi Elaine!

Cubbee, Is that addy near New Orleans?



About 50 miles North of New Orleans...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on February 02, 2007, 09:00:19 PM
Quote from: "Cat"
Never did well in spelling or penmanship.hey,I am a cat.CAT


Hey Cat - I hope you don't think I was correcting your spelling of the vc family name.  I wasn't sure how to spell it  myself which is why I put (sp) after the name, as they were not worth the effort to go back and check.
Would hate to upset my furry friend.   :(


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Rob on February 02, 2007, 09:01:08 PM
Penny Anne Lewis Aka Penny Ann Loupe
Denver Lewis
Betty Lewis

do these names look right?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: cubbeegirl on February 02, 2007, 09:02:26 PM
Quote from: "Rob"
Penny Anne Lewis Aka Penny Ann Loupe
Denver Lewis
Betty Lewis

do these names look right?



Dont know them Rob. The guy just moved into the neighborhood 3 years ago..., I wonder if Penny is his wife , or the ex wife?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Rob on February 02, 2007, 09:04:21 PM
Quote from: "oldfart"
Quote from: "Rob"
Cubbee- Im looking at all these guys, but I need to know where he was before his current address or I need his current address and I can prolly nail it.

OF its always my pleasure to see you too my friend. :D


Why thank you my young friend...   But you are a streaking
I do not have the "Racer one"  and wish I had a clue  so that I could go a searching.. for :wink:
and yes I did have this one (http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c314/OldF/5677a6dc.jpg)

 :lol:  :lol:

 
 :D too funny.. lmao


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Rob on February 02, 2007, 09:07:14 PM
Quote from: "cubbeegirl"
Quote from: "Rob"
Penny Anne Lewis Aka Penny Ann Loupe
Denver Lewis
Betty Lewis

do these names look right?



Dont know them Rob. The guy just moved into the neighborhood 3 years ago..., I wonder if Penny is his wife , or the ex wife?


looks like age 43... do you know if these are the right names or should I look elsewhere? could be the X wife.

Betty age 79
Lewis age 80

I think these could be the right family.. if they are.. I can prolly get more info here fast.

But I need to know if these are the right ones.

As I said there are alotta Mark S. Lewis'


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Rob on February 02, 2007, 09:08:55 PM
cubbee- did I miss who he is married to currently? did you post that?

or is he on his own?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Rob on February 02, 2007, 09:10:07 PM
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "cubbeegirl"
Quote from: "Rob"
Penny Anne Lewis Aka Penny Ann Loupe
Denver Lewis
Betty Lewis

do these names look right?



Dont know them Rob. The guy just moved into the neighborhood 3 years ago..., I wonder if Penny is his wife , or the ex wife?


looks like age 43... do you know if these are the right names or should I look elsewhere? could be the X wife.

Betty age 79
Lewis age 80

I think these could be the right family.. if they are.. I can prolly get more info here fast.

But I need to know if these are the right ones.

As I said there are alotta Mark S. Lewis'


sorry I screwed that up. Denver Lewis age 80


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Cat on February 02, 2007, 09:11:59 PM
Tib,you could never hurt my feeling,on spelling a monsters family name,not that easy.I was reading Dante' and seeing where some of these demons will go soon.Cubbe,my thoughts and prayers are with her family.I despise and detest these monsters,I know I am mincing words,I know the area well enough to know that it would hard to find someone there.Hey CBB  So many monster,so little rope.Just a wishful thought.Some how we never learn these creatures never learn and can not be rehabbed.They can put away forever or killed,no other options exist.cat


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on February 02, 2007, 09:15:32 PM
Quote from: "Cat"
Tib,you could never hurt my feeling,on spelling a monsters family name,not that easy.I was reading Dante' and seeing where some of these demons will go soon.Cubbe,my thoughts and prayers are with her family.I despise and detest these monsters,I know I am mincing words,I know the area well enough to know that it would hard to find someone there.Hey CBB  So many monster,so little rope.Just a wishful thought.Some how we never learn these creatures never learn and can not be rehabbed.They can put away forever or killed,no other options exist.cat


 :lol:  :lol: , Well said, Cat!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: cubbeegirl on February 02, 2007, 09:17:11 PM
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "cubbeegirl"
Quote from: "Rob"
Penny Anne Lewis Aka Penny Ann Loupe
Denver Lewis
Betty Lewis

do these names look right?



Dont know them Rob. The guy just moved into the neighborhood 3 years ago..., I wonder if Penny is his wife , or the ex wife?


looks like age 43... do you know if these are the right names or should I look elsewhere? could be the X wife.




Rob, he is currently married to Kaitlins cousing and I dont know if I ever knew her name. The local news reports him as being 39 years old...
Betty age 79
Lewis age 80

I think these could be the right family.. if they are.. I can prolly get more info here fast.

But I need to know if these are the right ones.

As I said there are alotta Mark S. Lewis'


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on February 02, 2007, 09:17:35 PM
Quote from: "Cat"
Tib,you could never hurt my feeling,on spelling a monsters family name,not that easy.I was reading Dante' and seeing where some of these demons will go soon.Cubbe,my thoughts and prayers are with her family.I despise and detest these monsters,I know I am mincing words,I know the area well enough to know that it would hard to find someone there.Hey CBB  So many monster,so little rope.Just a wishful thought.Some how we never learn these creatures never learn and can not be rehabbed.They can put away forever or killed,no other options exist.cat


They should put the monsters down the same as they do for an animal who only has to make one mistake, sometimes with justifiable provocation.  These subhuman creatures are given the chance to offend more than once and still we do not punish them properly.  Hang the b..........s


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: cubbeegirl on February 02, 2007, 09:19:02 PM
My friend just told me that he was married to Penny Loupe.....


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Rob on February 02, 2007, 09:19:49 PM
Cubbee- this is hard one.. let me see what I can do. you dont know her name right?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Rob on February 02, 2007, 09:20:28 PM
Quote from: "cubbeegirl"
My friend just told me that he was married to Penny Loupe.....
.. ok so I have the right guy.. hold tight


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: cubbeegirl on February 02, 2007, 09:20:58 PM
Quote from: "Rob"
Cubbee- this is hard one.. let me see what I can do. you dont know her name right?



Just found out he was married to Penny Loupe...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: cubbeegirl on February 02, 2007, 09:23:05 PM
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
Quote from: "Cat"
Tib,you could never hurt my feeling,on spelling a monsters family name,not that easy.I was reading Dante' and seeing where some of these demons will go soon.Cubbe,my thoughts and prayers are with her family.I despise and detest these monsters,I know I am mincing words,I know the area well enough to know that it would hard to find someone there.Hey CBB  So many monster,so little rope.Just a wishful thought.Some how we never learn these creatures never learn and can not be rehabbed.They can put away forever or killed,no other options exist.cat


They should put the monsters down the same as they do for an animal who only has to make one mistake, sometimes with justifiable provocation.  These subhuman creatures are given the chance to offend more than once and still we do not punish them properly.  Hang the b..........s



Yes, it will be hard to find her, and we just keep letting them out to go on and commit even worse offenses than the one they just got off of....


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: oldfart on February 02, 2007, 09:23:16 PM
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
Cubbee; Hurting children is beyond my understanding, I just can't fathom what circumstances could push anyone across that line... :cry:

OldFart, just checked my mail............turned on the waterworks again.
I love you.

There, now the whole cage knows you and I have a "thing".  :wink:


OMG CBB  
You just told the Monkeys about your  thing with (http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c314/OldF/6ae52945.gif)  
  ...  :lol:
BTW  I'm more of a (http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c314/OldF/devil.gif) than the Valentine avatar you 1st created for me  :oops:  
(http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c314/OldF/1fc0aead.gif)

And I'm still using yours to try to get funds for may vaction
(http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c314/OldF/oldf_kissing.gif)

Yours as my curent avatar
and Klaasend's will be a little late on (http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c314/OldF/tholdf_popping_25373.gif)

Thank you both so much


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Rob on February 02, 2007, 09:33:05 PM
Cubbee.. he has a criminal record.. Im trying to get it right now.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on February 02, 2007, 09:36:00 PM
:lol: Well I made SURE you were fully clothed for St Pat's!  :wink:

Actually, I told the cage that you had said you were a little shy, so that's why I made sure you were fully clothed. And beside's, I wasn't sure any of us could take the "bod" if the face was any indication!  :lol:  :lol:

AND then I reminded everyone that you knew I loved you!  :wink:
Chopped liver is way underated!  :lol:  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: cubbeegirl on February 02, 2007, 09:37:09 PM
Quote from: "Rob"
Cubbee.. he has a criminal record.. Im trying to get it right now.




Just found a link with his picture and he has kidnapped before...

http://www.2theadvocate.com/news/5530656.html


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on February 02, 2007, 09:41:03 PM
Quote from: "cubbeegirl"
Quote from: "Rob"
Cubbee.. he has a criminal record.. Im trying to get it right now.




Just found a link with his picture and he has kidnapped before...

http://www.2theadvocate.com/news/5530656.html


The article says he lived directly behind her in a trailer.........
I wonder what he told the police that delayed the investigation?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: AZSunny on February 02, 2007, 09:41:05 PM
Quote from: "cubbeegirl"
Quote from: "Rob"
Cubbee.. he has a criminal record.. Im trying to get it right now.




Just found a link with his picture and he has kidnapped before...

http://www.2theadvocate.com/news/5530656.html


Oh cubbee...this does not look good.  I am so sorry for you and her family.  We will pray for her.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: BTgirl on February 02, 2007, 09:41:09 PM
FYI - Easy has a blog with an interesting read about Cohen

http://mike-connectingthedots.blogspot.com/


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Rob on February 02, 2007, 09:42:15 PM
POI Mark Sterling Lewis

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/MarkSLewis1.jpg)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: cubbeegirl on February 02, 2007, 09:46:08 PM
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
Quote from: "cubbeegirl"
Quote from: "Rob"
Cubbee.. he has a criminal record.. Im trying to get it right now.




Just found a link with his picture and he has kidnapped before...

http://www.2theadvocate.com/news/5530656.html


The article says he lived directly behind her in a trailer.........
I wonder what he told the police that delayed the investigation?




He lives on the side of her house in a manufactured home... It is my understanding that he told the police that he had been at work. He then told them that he got the scratches in a fight at work. Then he told them that he got into a fight with his wife. He showed up at a friends house at 5 pm yesterday and was acting very strange,he told his friend that he needed an alibi for between 4 and 4:30. The friend called the police this morning when he heard that KK was missing.I am sick about this and realize that it does not look good. I am trying to prepare myself for the worse while trying to hang on to a shred of hope that she will be found alive and well...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Rob on February 02, 2007, 09:46:24 PM
cubbee- do you have his zip code?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: cubbeegirl on February 02, 2007, 09:46:44 PM
Quote from: "Rob"
POI Mark Sterling Lewis

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/MarkSLewis1.jpg)



Thats him....


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: cubbeegirl on February 02, 2007, 09:47:16 PM
Quote from: "Rob"
cubbee- do you have his zip code?


70733


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Rob on February 02, 2007, 09:50:15 PM
Quote from: "cubbeegirl"
Quote from: "Rob"
cubbee- do you have his zip code?


70733


ok.. great.. what parrish?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on February 02, 2007, 09:53:05 PM
Oh, Cubbee............hon, I'm praying for this girl, her family, this situation and you, right now.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Rob on February 02, 2007, 09:53:37 PM
someone locked his records... Im trying a backdoor.

They might want to release this to the media themselves.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: igsigs on February 02, 2007, 09:54:18 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
FYI - Easy has a blog with an interesting read about Cohen

http://mike-connectingthedots.blogspot.com/

Thanks BT. Easy has a way with words.

Only one page so far, right? I can't access the *cont* part.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Rob on February 02, 2007, 09:55:44 PM
I have definitely found him.

Im going to now try the sex offenders list.. they might have over looked that for the moment.

Cubbee- I need the parrish fast before they lock that part too.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: BTgirl on February 02, 2007, 09:55:58 PM
Quote from: "igsigs"
Quote from: "BTgirl"
FYI - Easy has a blog with an interesting read about Cohen

http://mike-connectingthedots.blogspot.com/

Thanks BT. Easy has a way with words.

Only one page so far, right? I can't access the *cont* part.


Yeah, I think he's in the process of getting the whole article onto the blog.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: yapperz1 on February 02, 2007, 09:56:43 PM
Rob try Livingston Parrish


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: yapperz1 on February 02, 2007, 09:57:23 PM
Oh forgot my manners. Hello Monkeys


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: BTgirl on February 02, 2007, 09:59:41 PM
Quote from: "yapperz1"
Oh forgot my manners. Hello Monkeys


Howdy, Yap. (http://bestsmileys.com/waving/5.gif)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Rob on February 02, 2007, 09:59:43 PM
yapperz- thanks...

He not a registered sex offender WTF?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Rob on February 02, 2007, 10:01:27 PM
he should be right here after his last escaped.

http://lasocpr1.lsp.org/search_main.aspx


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: cubbeegirl on February 02, 2007, 10:02:09 PM
Quote from: "Rob"
I have definitely found him.

Im going to now try the sex offenders list.. they might have over looked that for the moment.

Cubbee- I need the parrish fast before they lock that part too.



Livingston Parish


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: igsigs on February 02, 2007, 10:02:18 PM
Quote from: "sandy leiva"
Quote from: "klaasend"
AMERICAN AIRLINES TA CANCELA SU BUELONAN FOR DI NEW YORK PA ARUBA.  This is in todays BONDIA.

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Bondia070207a.jpg


I'm not positive, but it looks to me that American Airlines has canceled a flight or all flights from New York to Aruba???  Hopefully Sandy or someone can translate for us.



CORECTAMUNDO flights cancelled for lack of bookings to "one happy isle" Aruba.

I'll get my dramamine out in anticipation of MF's spin on this one.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Rob on February 02, 2007, 10:04:25 PM
Cubbee- anyone living with him beside the wife? I have a few people that look like they could also be in the area.

Kinda like a Coury type trailer incident?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: klaasend on February 02, 2007, 10:04:28 PM
Quote from: "Rob"
he should be right here after his last escaped.

http://lasocpr1.lsp.org/search_main.aspx

Rob - I didn't read anything about any sex offenses, only kidnapping of an adult woman.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: klaasend on February 02, 2007, 10:05:02 PM
Quote from: "igsigs"
Quote from: "sandy leiva"
Quote from: "klaasend"
AMERICAN AIRLINES TA CANCELA SU BUELONAN FOR DI NEW YORK PA ARUBA.  This is in todays BONDIA.

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Bondia070207a.jpg


I'm not positive, but it looks to me that American Airlines has canceled a flight or all flights from New York to Aruba???  Hopefully Sandy or someone can translate for us.



CORECTAMUNDO flights cancelled for lack of bookings to "one happy isle" Aruba.

I'll get my dramamine out in anticipation of MF's spin on this one.


 :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Cat on February 02, 2007, 10:05:35 PM
I was watching 20-20 a few minutes ago because I can't stand to watch what these monsters do.They had a child who had molested and he stated that victems of abuse have right and duty to exact some form of vengence.I think I agree today,I didn't 20 years ago.I have seen and watched this evil and i listen and learn.To many ,to many.I am sorry if I offend many of you but let God forgive,sooner as opposed to later.No I am not going to kill anyone,at this time.Or any time in the forseable future.I took a Holy oath about that years ago,but I can just really hate and dislike them.Cat


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: cubbeegirl on February 02, 2007, 10:06:01 PM
Quote from: "Rob"
yapperz- thanks...

He not a registered sex offender WTF?



Word is that he was only charged with kidnapping the last time and therefore not listed as a sex offender..... I am sure that this will make Kaitlins mother feel much better.... :roll:  :twisted:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Rob on February 02, 2007, 10:07:08 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Rob"
he should be right here after his last escaped.

http://lasocpr1.lsp.org/search_main.aspx

Rob - I didn't read anything about any sex offenses, only kidnapping of an adult woman.


I realize that Klaas, but I also check the non-compliant offenders and if someone is kidnapping women, why isnt he on the list? no one kidnaps a woman to take her for a coffee and a chat.

he could be in another county.. Im gonna check some surrounding parishes.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Cat on February 02, 2007, 10:07:36 PM
we let the these creatures out of jail,and whatever..Cat  sorry for the rant,but this is to close to home for me


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: cubbeegirl on February 02, 2007, 10:07:47 PM
Quote from: "Rob"
Cubbee- anyone living with him beside the wife? I have a few people that look like they could also be in the area.

Kinda like a Coury type trailer incident?



Not sure who all lived with him. I find it very strange that he lived right under my nose and I have never seen the guy...the wife was around last night when KK came up missing and today has disappeared...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Rob on February 02, 2007, 10:07:55 PM
Quote from: "cubbeegirl"
Quote from: "Rob"
yapperz- thanks...

He not a registered sex offender WTF?



Word is that he was only charged with kidnapping the last time and therefore not listed as a sex offender..... I am sure that this will make Kaitlins mother feel much better.... :roll:  :twisted:


prolly pleaded down to keep him off the list.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: igsigs on February 02, 2007, 10:08:52 PM
Quote from: "cubbeegirl"
Good Evening monkeys! Going to go O/T here and ask for prayers for my friends 13 year old daughter who has been missing since yesterday afternoon. Monkey prayers would be much appreciated,I posted about her on the missing persons forum.....TYIA

Oh, man. You got one more monkey on your prayer list cubbee. I didn't realize this was what y'all were talkin about. Sorry for the OT.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Cat on February 02, 2007, 10:09:04 PM
You can pee on a tree in Auburn at a game and you are a sex offender,but kidnapping isn't a sex offense.cat


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: klaasend on February 02, 2007, 10:09:11 PM
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Rob"
he should be right here after his last escaped.

http://lasocpr1.lsp.org/search_main.aspx

Rob - I didn't read anything about any sex offenses, only kidnapping of an adult woman.


I realize that Klaas, but I also check the non-compliant offenders and if someone is kidnapping women, why isnt he on the list? no one kidnaps a woman to take her for a coffee and a chat.

he could be in another county.. Im gonna check some surrounding parishes.


Lewis previously was arrested by the Livingston Parish Sheriff’s Office in September 1995 and booked with auto theft, felony theft and aggravated kidnapping, deputies said.

Lewis was charged with those crimes after he allegedly kidnapped a woman in Livingston Parish by placing a screwdriver to her throat and  forcing her to drive to an unknown location, the Sheriff’s Office reported.

During the drive, the victim escaped by getting out of the vehicle, leaving Lewis to steal her vehicle along with her purse and other personal items, according to reports at the time.

Lewis was convicted and sentenced to seven years with the Louisiana Department of Corrections with five years suspended, thus serving two years of prison time for the offenses.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: cubbeegirl on February 02, 2007, 10:09:25 PM
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "cubbeegirl"
Quote from: "Rob"
yapperz- thanks...

He not a registered sex offender WTF?



Word is that he was only charged with kidnapping the last time and therefore not listed as a sex offender..... I am sure that this will make Kaitlins mother feel much better.... :roll:  :twisted:


prolly pleaded down to keep him off the list.


Prolly so Rob and he is all lawyered up now so....


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: cubbeegirl on February 02, 2007, 10:11:00 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Rob"
he should be right here after his last escaped.

http://lasocpr1.lsp.org/search_main.aspx

Rob - I didn't read anything about any sex offenses, only kidnapping of an adult woman.


I realize that Klaas, but I also check the non-compliant offenders and if someone is kidnapping women, why isnt he on the list? no one kidnaps a woman to take her for a coffee and a chat.

he could be in another county.. Im gonna check some surrounding parishes.


Lewis previously was arrested by the Livingston Parish Sheriff’s Office in September 1995 and booked with auto theft, felony theft and aggravated kidnapping, deputies said.

Lewis was charged with those crimes after he allegedly kidnapped a woman in Livingston Parish by placing a screwdriver to her throat and  forcing her to drive to an unknown location, the Sheriff’s Office reported.

During the drive, the victim escaped by getting out of the vehicle, leaving Lewis to steal her vehicle along with her purse and other personal items, according to reports at the time.

Lewis was convicted and sentenced to seven years with the Louisiana Department of Corrections with five years suspended, thus serving two years of prison time for the offenses.



TWO YEARS???? pffffttt!!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Elaine on February 02, 2007, 10:11:49 PM
Quote from: "igsigs"
Quote from: "sandy leiva"
Quote from: "klaasend"
AMERICAN AIRLINES TA CANCELA SU BUELONAN FOR DI NEW YORK PA ARUBA.  This is in todays BONDIA.

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Bondia070207a.jpg


I'm not positive, but it looks to me that American Airlines has canceled a flight or all flights from New York to Aruba???  Hopefully Sandy or someone can translate for us.



CORECTAMUNDO flights cancelled for lack of bookings to "one happy isle" Aruba.

I'll get my dramamine out in anticipation of MF's spin on this one.
Pass me one too.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Cat on February 02, 2007, 10:12:08 PM
Put him general population.Problem solved.Kidnapping use to be life and it was federal.cat


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Cat on February 02, 2007, 10:13:11 PM
WHO is MF.I don't know.cat


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on February 02, 2007, 10:14:26 PM
TWO years! Geez............ There's no telling what he had in mind had the woman not managed to escape! He put a screwdriver to her throat and was taking her somewhere for something!


BTW/OT: Cat and Yapperz please check lounge, St Pat's avatar.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Elaine on February 02, 2007, 10:15:36 PM
Quote from: "cubbeegirl"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Rob"
he should be right here after his last escaped.

http://lasocpr1.lsp.org/search_main.aspx

Rob - I didn't read anything about any sex offenses, only kidnapping of an adult woman.


I realize that Klaas, but I also check the non-compliant offenders and if someone is kidnapping women, why isnt he on the list? no one kidnaps a woman to take her for a coffee and a chat.

he could be in another county.. Im gonna check some surrounding parishes.


Lewis previously was arrested by the Livingston Parish Sheriff’s Office in September 1995 and booked with auto theft, felony theft and aggravated kidnapping, deputies said.

Lewis was charged with those crimes after he allegedly kidnapped a woman in Livingston Parish by placing a screwdriver to her throat and  forcing her to drive to an unknown location, the Sheriff’s Office reported.

During the drive, the victim escaped by getting out of the vehicle, leaving Lewis to steal her vehicle along with her purse and other personal items, according to reports at the time.

Lewis was convicted and sentenced to seven years with the Louisiana Department of Corrections with five years suspended, thus serving two years of prison time for the offenses.



TWO YEARS???? pffffttt!!!
OMG! He probably would have killed that woman he kidnapped if she had not gotten away, and he only did two years? Something was wrong there!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: klaasend on February 02, 2007, 10:15:41 PM
Quote from: "Cat"
WHO is MF.I don't know.cat

MF aka "Media Freak" is an Aruban that posts at Refugees and Freedom of Blog.  I believe MF is also a reporter for one of the papers in Aruba.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: igsigs on February 02, 2007, 10:16:08 PM
Quote from: "Cat"
WHO is MF.I don't know.cat

An Aruban or Dutch Aruban or American Aruban poster who spins every piece of news in favor of the suspects and against justice.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Elaine on February 02, 2007, 10:17:37 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Cat"
WHO is MF.I don't know.cat

MF aka "Media Freak" is an Aruban that posts at Refugees and Freedom of Blog.  I believe MF is also a reporter for one of the papers in Aruba.
He is Julia's evil twin brother  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Rob on February 02, 2007, 10:19:15 PM
checked the seven surrounding parishes and hes not listed on any of them.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Elaine on February 02, 2007, 10:20:31 PM
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
TWO years! Geez............ There's no telling what he had in mind had the woman not managed to escape! He put a screwdriver to her throat and was taking her somewhere for something!


BTW/OT: Cat and Yapperz please check lounge, St Pat's avatar.
CBB, I grabbed mine, thanks so much. I love my assortment of eyeglasses that you have made me! A woman, can never have too many different eyglass frames,!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: cubbeegirl on February 02, 2007, 10:23:51 PM
All I can say is that he would be better off to confess while in jail....
This family and friends are true bayou people if ya know what I mean....
I am sure that there are a few who would be anxious to "interrogate " him....


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: mishy on February 02, 2007, 10:23:59 PM
Good evening monkeys...I've been reading the last few pages and I see that Cubbee's young neighbor may have been kidnapped...Cubbee how devastating. She and her family are in my prayers :cry:  :cry:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: mishy on February 02, 2007, 10:24:43 PM
Quote from: "cubbeegirl"
All I can say is that he would be better off to confess while in jail....
This family and friends are true bayou people if ya know what I mean....
I am sure that there are a few who would be anxious to "interrogate " him....


It might be a scene outta Deliverance, right Cubbee?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Rob on February 02, 2007, 10:24:44 PM
Cubbee- this doesnt look good at all. This guy is a repeat offender. Im sure you know the odds honey.

I wish I could give you a big hug right now.

My thoughts and prayers are with the family and friends of Kaitlin and with
Kaitlin if she is still alive somewhere.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: cubbeegirl on February 02, 2007, 10:25:47 PM
Thanks to all my monkey friends for being there for me and offering up your prayers and thanks for not fussing at me for being O/T


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Cat on February 02, 2007, 10:26:16 PM
i spent  weeks in the woods sharing a tent with a cooney.HE SHOULD TALK NOW.CAT


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: cubbeegirl on February 02, 2007, 10:28:42 PM
Quote from: "Rob"
Cubbee- this doesnt look good at all. This guy is a repeat offender. Im sure you know the odds honey.

I wish I could give you a big hug right now.

My thoughts and prayers are with the family and friends of Kaitlin and with
Kaitlin if she is still alive somewhere.



I know Rob. That is why I am so physically ill right now. My son just told me that he is glad to hear that Kaitlin fought the guy....he said that he knows she is probably dead.......I am just having a hard time wrapping my mind around it....

Thanks for the thoughts and prayers.... and the hug...

Mishy.... right out of deliverance.....


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Rob on February 02, 2007, 10:29:19 PM
Quote from: "cubbeegirl"
Thanks to all my monkey friends for being there for me and offering up your prayers and thanks for not fussing at me for being O/T


cubbee- this is what Im most interested in.. finding people that are missing.

To find them we need to know right away that they are missing... not days later.

sooner of later we will actually find one and the world will change.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: cubbeegirl on February 02, 2007, 10:31:01 PM
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "cubbeegirl"
Thanks to all my monkey friends for being there for me and offering up your prayers and thanks for not fussing at me for being O/T


cubbee- this is what Im most interested in.. finding people that are missing.

To find them we need to know right away that they are missing... not days later.

sooner of later we will actually find one and the world will change.



I pray for that day to hurry up and get here Rob....
Local news just broke in and said that the missing persons case may turn in to a murder case.....I am scared to go over there....


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: klaasend on February 02, 2007, 10:31:52 PM
Quote from: "cubbeegirl"
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "cubbeegirl"
Thanks to all my monkey friends for being there for me and offering up your prayers and thanks for not fussing at me for being O/T


cubbee- this is what Im most interested in.. finding people that are missing.

To find them we need to know right away that they are missing... not days later.

sooner of later we will actually find one and the world will change.



I pray for that day to hurry up and get here Rob....
Local news just broke in and said that the missing persons case may turn in to a murder case.....I am scared to go over there....

Keep us updated Cubbee {{HUGS}}


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Mere on February 02, 2007, 10:32:10 PM
Quote from: "cubbeegirl"
Thanks to all my monkey friends for being there for me and offering up your prayers and thanks for not fussing at me for being O/T


cubbee...just came back home...very upsetting news....praying for that family and for you....if this is the guy, I hope he is under the local jail...and you are right, bayou people do not take kindly to anyone harming their children...please let us know....Mere


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: mishy on February 02, 2007, 10:32:16 PM
Quote from: "cubbeegirl"
Quote from: "Rob"
Cubbee- this doesnt look good at all. This guy is a repeat offender. Im sure you know the odds honey.

I wish I could give you a big hug right now.

My thoughts and prayers are with the family and friends of Kaitlin and with
Kaitlin if she is still alive somewhere.



I know Rob. That is why I am so physically ill right now. My son just told me that he is glad to hear that Kaitlin fought the guy....he said that he knows she is probably dead.......I am just having a hard time wrapping my mind around it....

Thanks for the thoughts and prayers.... and the hug...

Mishy.... right out of deliverance.....


Cubbee, I know you must really be freaking out right now. What a horrible thing to happen to anybody...and it happens right in our back yards every day...It doesn't matter where you live, what kind of neighborhood, what part of town, it's everywhere, just like the meth, the crack...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: cubbeegirl on February 02, 2007, 10:32:39 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "cubbeegirl"
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "cubbeegirl"
Thanks to all my monkey friends for being there for me and offering up your prayers and thanks for not fussing at me for being O/T


cubbee- this is what Im most interested in.. finding people that are missing.

To find them we need to know right away that they are missing... not days later.

sooner of later we will actually find one and the world will change.



I pray for that day to hurry up and get here Rob....
Local news just broke in and said that the missing persons case may turn in to a murder case.....I am scared to go over there....

Keep us updated Cubbee {{HUGS}}




Thanks klaas... I will...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: mishy on February 02, 2007, 10:34:05 PM
BTW, hey Rob...great to see you here...I see you have your detective hat on  :lol:  Keep up the good work...

And prayers and hugs for all the monkeys and their families tonight...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: oldfart on February 02, 2007, 10:36:39 PM
G'nite Monkeys..
I need to leave before I start speaking of 1800's American Justice or some 2nd/3rd world current justice systems
" Lord  Grab on to my heart and the hearts of those that I may have malice towards and show us the way "

BTW  
I was ordering some Valentine Cookies for my daughter and heard from NoneSuche that her "Mother is doing well, the surgeon said she was a textbook case"  .. and I hope she not mind me posting that here.

JMO  
 but I think Cubbie and we all could do with a  Group Hug (http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c314/OldF/76ffede1.gif) toinght

SeeYaaByee  .... (http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c314/OldF/brokenheart.gif)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: cubbeegirl on February 02, 2007, 10:39:19 PM
Quote from: "oldfart"
G'nite Monkeys..
I need to leave before I start speaking of 1800's American Justice or some 2nd/3rd world current justice systems
" Lord  Grab on to my heart and the hearts of those that I may have malice towards and show us the way "

BTW  
I was ordering some Valentine Cookies for my daughter and heard from NoneSuche that her "Mother is doing well, the surgeon said she was a textbook case"  .. and I hope she not mind me posting that here.

JMO  
 but I think Cubbie and we all could do with a  Group Hug (http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c314/OldF/76ffede1.gif) toinght

SeeYaaByee  .... (http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c314/OldF/brokenheart.gif)




Thanks Oldfart....


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Rob on February 02, 2007, 10:41:20 PM
Mishy-  its always a pleasure to se you... I hope you and your daughter are doing terrific.

Monks- Im gonna check out now. Thank you all for the opportunity to help someone that needs help.

Klass has my email address and if I can help with anything please get in touch with me as soon as possible.

I throughly enjoyed seeing you all again and look forward to staying in touch as you all mean so much to me.

Cubbee- I know you are going through Hell right now, but your friends here will hopefully ease the pain. if that is possible.

Good nite Monks... you all make a difference

Prayers for the family of Kaitlin.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: mishy on February 02, 2007, 10:41:22 PM
Quote from: "oldfart"
G'nite Monkeys..
I need to leave before I start speaking of 1800's American Justice or some 2nd/3rd world current justice systems
" Lord  Grab on to my heart and the hearts of those that I may have malice towards and show us the way "

BTW  
I was ordering some Valentine Cookies for my daughter and heard from NoneSuche that her "Mother is doing well, the surgeon said she was a textbook case"  .. and I hope she not mind me posting that here.

JMO  
 but I think Cubbie and we all could do with a  Group Hug (http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c314/OldF/76ffede1.gif) toinght

SeeYaaByee  .... (http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c314/OldF/brokenheart.gif)


OldFart, you took those words (all of them) right outta my mouth!

{{{CUBBEE}}}


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: cubbeegirl on February 02, 2007, 10:45:51 PM
We are going to check on the family.... be back later...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: mishy on February 02, 2007, 10:45:53 PM
Goodnight monkeys. I am going to get my daughter ready for bed and hug her extra tight tonight...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Sam on February 02, 2007, 10:47:48 PM
HI all Monkeys,

It has taken me forever to catch up.

Cubbie I am so praying for Kaitlans family and loved ones. We do need to get these creeps off the streets and keep them there.

BT. Thanks for the link to Easys blog. I will read it later. I have always loved his writings.

Rob so nice to see you back posting with us and investigating.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Elaine on February 02, 2007, 10:54:58 PM
I too am heading out for the night, with tears running down my face, and praying for Kaitlin's family. May God bless them. Goodnight monkey friends.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Sleuth on February 02, 2007, 10:55:01 PM
Cubbee - sending hugs your way..


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Cat on February 02, 2007, 10:55:53 PM
Take care Monkeys.You all are in prayers  and especially Cubbe.I will have to remember what Old Fart said.Take care,CAT


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Sleuth on February 02, 2007, 10:56:43 PM
Angie, San, Cat - that gator was about 4 feet away - no zoom needed.  There were 100+ along the bike trail last weekend...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: SunFreak2 on February 02, 2007, 10:57:26 PM
Evening monkeys!

I finally got caught up.  I am devestated to read about Cubbee's friend Kaitlyn being missing.  It makes me sick that suspects seem to have more rights than their victims these days.  Our justice and penal systems need major overhauls.

I will keep Cubbee & KK's loved ones in my prayers.

Prayers for central Florida as well.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: BTgirl on February 02, 2007, 11:04:41 PM
If you want to get even angrier, read this:

http://tinyurl.com/2oy4yg


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: robots on February 02, 2007, 11:11:30 PM
Quote from: "Cat"
I was watching 20-20 a few minutes ago because I can't stand to watch what these monsters do.They had a child who had molested and he stated that victems of abuse have right and duty to exact some form of vengence.I think I agree today,I didn't 20 years ago.I have seen and watched this evil and i listen and learn.To many ,to many.I am sorry if I offend many of you but let God forgive,sooner as opposed to later.No I am not going to kill anyone,at this time.Or any time in the forseable future.I took a Holy oath about that years ago,but I can just really hate and dislike them.Cat


i hate em all


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on February 02, 2007, 11:22:57 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
If you want to get even angrier, read this:

http://tinyurl.com/2oy4yg


BT  That is terrible.  I know we have to have justice for all but when such a deadbeat confesses to the crime why do they have to give him attorneys to try and get him off lightly.  The attorneys are not a lot better than the criminals in such cases. JMHO  :evil:  :evil:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Rooscrew on February 02, 2007, 11:23:01 PM
Hello Monkeys :)

Cubbee~
Just getting caught up with reading here, sending ((((hugs)))) & prayers your way for your family & Kaitlin's family.  This is just so sad. I'm with Robots here, I hate 'em all.

BT~
That just makes me angry. A 14 month old baby, these jerks should be....sorry, but it just hits a nerve that these type of people get off sooooo easily then they repeat the stuff again and another life or lives are ruined.

Praying for all the other monkeys who are in need of prayers.

Roos~


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Sam on February 02, 2007, 11:26:20 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
If you want to get even angrier, read this:

http://tinyurl.com/2oy4yg


I guess I just can't understand. When is our justice system going to get it?

That is really all that grandmother is wanting, is justice for this child.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: BTgirl on February 02, 2007, 11:32:08 PM
I agree with everyone about the father in the article. He raped and killed his own baby, confessed to it, and now they've thrown out his confession and lowered his bail.

I just don't get it. Where is the logic in this kind of behavior?  :?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: cubbeegirl on February 02, 2007, 11:43:37 PM
No news about Kaitlin....
It is very cold and drizzling outside which worries her mother even more...
You know how us moms are...
They found some footprints that were of interest about a mile from here and will continue to search at daybreak...
I think the whole neighborhood and half the town has been without sleep...
I am going to try to get some rest and will keep you all posted in the morning...
I am very thankful for my monkey friends and their prayers tonight...
Hug your children and be thankful that you know where they are tonight...
God bless you all.....


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: klaasend on February 02, 2007, 11:44:42 PM
Quote from: "cubbeegirl"
No news about Kaitlin....
It is very cold and drizzling outside which worries her mother even more...
You know how us moms are...
They found some footprints that were of interest about a mile from here and will continue to search at daybreak...
I think the whole neighborhood and half the town has been without sleep...
I am going to try to get some rest and will keep you all posted in the morning...
I am very thankful for my monkey friends and their prayers tonight...
Hug your children and be thankful that you know where they are tonight...
God bless you all.....

Thanks for the update Cubbee.  I'll keep Kaitlin in my prayers.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on February 02, 2007, 11:50:11 PM
BT..........That article is almost more than I can take...............Can you imagine what that sweet child went through!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Rob on February 03, 2007, 12:28:43 AM
I cant sleep knowing that Kaitlin is not found. Any news yet?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: klaasend on February 03, 2007, 12:30:20 AM
Quote from: "Rob"
I cant sleep knowing that Kaitlin is not found. Any news yet?

No news Rob.  Cubbee said they found some footprints in the snow of interest.  She posted on the previous page.  I don't think we'll hear anything until tomorrow.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: jobie on February 03, 2007, 12:30:51 AM
Quote from: "cubbeegirl"
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
Oh, Cubbee: I'm just catching up and this is awful!

What's wrong with some of these monsters!



I know , how could anyone hurt an innocent child? How can there be such monsters living among us and we dont even know it? How can they be so good at hiding their true self?

BTW, his friend turned him in after he saw that KK was missing ....


My prayers are with this beautiful young girl.  I hope she is found safe and returned to her loved ones.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on February 03, 2007, 12:34:00 AM
Quote from: "Rob"
I cant sleep knowing that Kaitlin is not found. Any news yet?


 Sad isnt it?

You seem to get info quick, which is great.. !
Cant yah help  perhaps here as well in our area with Arley Earhart?
I havnt heard anything on the news at all. :(


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Rob on February 03, 2007, 12:36:22 AM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Rob"
I cant sleep knowing that Kaitlin is not found. Any news yet?

No news Rob.  Cubbee said they found some footprints in the snow of interest.  She posted on the previous page.  I don't think we'll hear anything until tomorrow.


Thank you Klaas.

Her family must be going through hell right now. If I had one wish today it would be for God to comfort them in their pain and let the answers be known.

This must be worse than anything we could ever imagine.

I wish I had the answers. I wish I could ease that pain. I wish I could prevent this from ever happening again.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: klaasend on February 03, 2007, 12:38:20 AM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "Rob"
I cant sleep knowing that Kaitlin is not found. Any news yet?


 Sad isnt it?

You seem to get info quick, which is great.. !
Cant yah help  perhaps here as well in our area with Arley Earhart?
I havnt heard anything on the news at all. :(

Hi Angie - I was hoping they'd find Arley.  I thought she was a runaway and had an idea where she was?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Rob on February 03, 2007, 12:38:28 AM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "Rob"
I cant sleep knowing that Kaitlin is not found. Any news yet?


 Sad isnt it?

You seem to get info quick, which is great.. !
Cant yah help  perhaps here as well in our area with Arley Earhart?
I havnt heard anything on the news at all. :(


Angie -
I havent heard anything about her. I think she is alive and doesnt want to be found just yet.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on February 03, 2007, 12:40:06 AM
Evening Monkeys,
Cubbegirl I am so sorry to hear about Kaitlyn. I hope they find her very quickly. She is a beautiful young girl. Looks like the creep got her when she got home from school .


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on February 03, 2007, 12:40:40 AM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "Rob"
I cant sleep knowing that Kaitlin is not found. Any news yet?


 Sad isnt it?

You seem to get info quick, which is great.. !
Cant yah help  perhaps here as well in our area with Arley Earhart?
I havnt heard anything on the news at all. :(

Hi Angie - I was hoping they'd find Arley.  I thought she was a runaway and had an idea where she was?


 Klas .. cops I talked to said they thought she was a runaway.. last I talked to any of them, they had no clue anymore.   :(  Id she is.. she dont want to be found IMO..


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: oldfart on February 03, 2007, 12:41:16 AM
Klaasend / Red / Tom

could one of you please E-mail me ,,, NOW
At Sm.OldF@insightbb.com

I (gasp) just got off the phone with Tim Miller...
He would like to Kaitlin Aydell  parents to make contact ..with him
Honest... I'm Not making this up and I'm dead serious
don


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Rob on February 03, 2007, 12:41:32 AM
Angie- If I had some info from her parents I might be able to help them. But I think she could re-appear when she is ready.

There is always the chance that she is not a runaway.

Id be willing to try.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on February 03, 2007, 12:42:40 AM
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "Rob"
I cant sleep knowing that Kaitlin is not found. Any news yet?


 Sad isnt it?

You seem to get info quick, which is great.. !
Cant yah help  perhaps here as well in our area with Arley Earhart?
I havnt heard anything on the news at all. :(


Angie -
I havent heard anything about her. I think she is alive and doesnt want to be found just yet.

 I agree.. weird though.. nothing on our news at all lately..
 Guess I will keep askin the cops that come into work about her..


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: dkpen on February 03, 2007, 12:46:13 AM
Hi everyone!

Reading everything and taking it all in. We've had a lot of hard news today.

This news about Cubbees friends daughter is heart wrenching. I pray for Kaitlin and her family and for comfort. I pray that she is still alive and will be returned home.

Didn't I read that this Lewis guys wife was over at Kaitlins house one day and the next disappeared? I wonder where she is at? Something is fishy with that to me.


I pray for all the families in Central Florida as well. Such devistation and loss of loved ones.

God bless~


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: klaasend on February 03, 2007, 12:46:29 AM
Quote from: "oldfart"
Klaasend / Red / Tom

could one of you please E-mail me ,,, NOW
At Sm.OldF@insightbb.com

I (gasp) just got off the phone with Tim Miller...
He would like to Kaitlin Aydell  parents to make contact ..with him
Honest... I'm Not making this up and I'm dead serious
don

Oldfart - here's the problem.  THEY have to contact him.  Cubbee can suggest it but she said she was going to bed.  Will have to wait until tomorrow.  I do think Cubbee told them about TES.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on February 03, 2007, 12:48:04 AM
Quote from: "Rob"
Angie- If I had some info from her parents I might be able to help them. But I think she could re-appear when she is ready.

There is always the chance that she is not a runaway.

Id be willing to try.

 

Shes been gone for ver 3 weeks now and no contact with anyone.
Her BF has been cleared as a suspect,.. that much I do know from asking a cop at work yesterday..  Oh well. I sent you info before.. and look on the missing persons thread here on SM.. gives some info .. her mom weird step dad.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: klaasend on February 03, 2007, 12:50:00 AM
Quote from: "oldfart"
Klaasend / Red / Tom

could one of you please E-mail me ,,, NOW
At Sm.OldF@insightbb.com

I (gasp) just got off the phone with Tim Miller...
He would like to Kaitlin Aydell  parents to make contact ..with him
Honest... I'm Not making this up and I'm dead serious
don


Oldfart - I just emailed Cubbee, hopefully her addy hasn't changed.  I copied your post and sent it to her and told her to let Kaitlin's parents know.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: dkpen on February 03, 2007, 12:50:15 AM
Quote from: "oldfart"
Klaasend / Red / Tom

could one of you please E-mail me ,,, NOW
At Sm.OldF@insightbb.com

I (gasp) just got off the phone with Tim Miller...
He would like to Kaitlin Aydell  parents to make contact ..with him
Honest... I'm Not making this up and I'm dead serious
don


OF...maybe Rob can help you with this. Contact the police and ask them to maybe contact Tim Miller asap? It's worth a try... NOW!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: dkpen on February 03, 2007, 12:51:04 AM
Police there can also contact the parents of Kaitlin.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: dkpen on February 03, 2007, 12:52:10 AM
Quote from: "dkpen"
Police there can also contact the parents of Kaitlin.


I meant contact Kaitlins parents about Tim Miller. And tell them Tim Miller said to do so NOW.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on February 03, 2007, 12:52:25 AM
Quote from: "oldfart"
Klaasend / Red / Tom

could one of you please E-mail me ,,, NOW
At Sm.OldF@insightbb.com

I (gasp) just got off the phone with Tim Miller...
He would like to Kaitlin Aydell  parents to make contact ..with him
Honest... I'm Not making this up and I'm dead serious
don

 I have cubbees emai addy.. you want me to emnqil hwer? hell I have her phne number too?? want me to call her???


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on February 03, 2007, 12:52:45 AM
Quote from: "oldfart"
Klaasend / Red / Tom

could one of you please E-mail me ,,, NOW
At Sm.OldF@insightbb.com

I (gasp) just got off the phone with Tim Miller...
He would like to Kaitlin Aydell  parents to make contact ..with him
Honest... I'm Not making this up and I'm dead serious
don


Time is of the essence in this type of situation as we have all learned. I should think if this were my daughter and TES was willing to help i would want them contacted. How about calling the LE number posted? They can surely contact Kaitlins parents who intern can call TES asap?


Anyone with information as to the whereabouts of or information concerning Kaitlin Aydell is asked to contact the Livingston Parish Sheriff’s Office Detective Division at (225) 686-2241 ext. 345 or dispatch at (225) 686-2241 ext. 501.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: dkpen on February 03, 2007, 12:53:40 AM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "oldfart"
Klaasend / Red / Tom

could one of you please E-mail me ,,, NOW
At Sm.OldF@insightbb.com

I (gasp) just got off the phone with Tim Miller...
He would like to Kaitlin Aydell  parents to make contact ..with him
Honest... I'm Not making this up and I'm dead serious
don

 I have cubbees emai addy.. you want me to emnqil hwer? hell I have her phne number too?? want me to call her???


Angie yes please call her. Tell her OF wants Kaitlins family to contact him NOW.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on February 03, 2007, 12:53:59 AM
I can call Cubee???  Let me know ASAP!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on February 03, 2007, 12:55:06 AM
It is possible the creep stashed her somewhere with the intention of going back. I can think of many scenarios and none of them involve the luxury of time.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: klaasend on February 03, 2007, 12:55:16 AM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
I can call Cubee???  Let me know ASAP!

Angie - try calling her.  Hopefully she can get Kaitlins family to contact Tim tonight.  Oldfart has the phone contact info I think.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: dkpen on February 03, 2007, 12:55:18 AM
Angie....call cubbee...this is dire need sweetie.  Don't wait for someone else to say call...just do it.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: dkpen on February 03, 2007, 12:57:26 AM
Angie...I'm sorry I didn't mean to seem rude. It's an emergency and I am sitting on my seat wishing I had the numbers. I would of called without a hesitation. Please forgive the urgency in my voice. errr fingers?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: oldfart on February 03, 2007, 12:58:45 AM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "oldfart"
Klaasend / Red / Tom

could one of you please E-mail me ,,, NOW
At Sm.OldF@insightbb.com

I (gasp) just got off the phone with Tim Miller...
He would like to Kaitlin Aydell  parents to make contact ..with him
Honest... I'm Not making this up and I'm dead serious
don

 I have cubbees emai addy.. you want me to emnqil hwer? hell I have her phne number too?? want me to call her???


Yes... please call her
I I will e-mail you or Post my phone # if need be here
Tim/ Tes has to be request by the family and or police before TES can do anything...
E-mail headed to angie


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on February 03, 2007, 01:00:08 AM
Quote from: "dkpen"
Angie...I'm sorry I didn't mean to seem rude. It's an emergency and I am sitting on my seat wishing I had the numbers. I would of called without a hesitation. Please forgive the urgency in my voice. errr fingers?


I agree Dkpen with how you feel. We often have prayers to offer.....I wish I were closer, and could get out there and search.......


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: klaasend on February 03, 2007, 01:09:11 AM
Angie is taking a while so hopefully she got ahold of Cubbee.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on February 03, 2007, 01:12:17 AM
I dont think any of you are being rude at all.. I tryed calling.. and its not going through... I tryed  5 times  :(  Her home phone..  she may have got her number changed ???????????????????

  Dangit..


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on February 03, 2007, 01:14:11 AM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Angie is taking a while so hopefully she got ahold of Cubbee.

 Klass.. I have a vice mail from her.. I listend to over and over again. and called the numlber and it  wont go through..  It was from November...
  :)  her number may have changed.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on February 03, 2007, 01:16:34 AM
Quote from: "oldfart"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "oldfart"
Klaasend / Red / Tom

could one of you please E-mail me ,,, NOW
At Sm.OldF@insightbb.com

I (gasp) just got off the phone with Tim Miller...
He would like to Kaitlin Aydell  parents to make contact ..with him
Honest... I'm Not making this up and I'm dead serious
don

 I have cubbees emai addy.. you want me to emnqil hwer? hell I have her phne number too?? want me to call her???


Yes... please call her
I I will e-mail you or Post my phone # if need be here
 
Tim/ Tes has to be request by the family and or police before TES can do anything...
E-mail headed to angie


I got your email honey and I sent her your name and number .. she has different email addys.. I sent it to them all.. and told her I tryed calling her last number i had too.. :(


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: klaasend on February 03, 2007, 01:16:45 AM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Angie is taking a while so hopefully she got ahold of Cubbee.

 Klass.. I have a vice mail from her.. I listend to over and over again. and called the numlber and it  wont go through..  It was from November...
  :)  her number may have changed.

Well that's all you can do.  If you have an email addy please send her an email as well.  I think Oldfart emailed you some information to give to her.  I'm not sure if the email addy I have is a good one.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: oldfart on February 03, 2007, 01:16:54 AM
I'm ... to go looking ... so does
any one have the area code for Livingston Parish.. police
??? - 656 2241

Hell if I can talk to Tim Miller  I can the police & ash them to contact family & TES..


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: klaasend on February 03, 2007, 01:18:43 AM
Quote from: "oldfart"
I'm ... to go looking ... so does
any one have the area code for Livingston Parish.. police
??? - 656 2241

Hell if I can talk to Tim Miller  I can the police & ash them to contact family & TES..


Should be 225


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: klaasend on February 03, 2007, 01:19:16 AM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "oldfart"
I'm ... to go looking ... so does
any one have the area code for Livingston Parish.. police
??? - 656 2241

Hell if I can talk to Tim Miller  I can the police & ash them to contact family & TES..


Should be 225


Anyone with information as to the whereabouts of or information concerning Kaitlin Aydell is asked to contact the Livingston Parish Sheriff’s Office Detective Division at (225) 686-2241 ext. 345 or dispatch at (225) 686-2241 ext. 501


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on February 03, 2007, 01:20:32 AM
Klass I sent her email to all her addys I have.. and just tryed to call her number again..   :(   her house phone.. it wont go through. leaves a message about verizon  :(
  I sent her Oldfarts info he sent me via email..


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: klaasend on February 03, 2007, 01:20:54 AM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Klass I sent her email to all her addys I have.. and just tryed to call her number again..   :(   her house phone.. it wont go through. leaves a message about verizon  :(
  I sent her Oldfarts info he sent me via email..

Thanks Angie!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: dkpen on February 03, 2007, 01:21:44 AM
Anyone with information as to the whereabouts of or information concerning Kaitlin Aydell is asked to contact the Livingston Parish Sheriff’s Office Detective Division at (225) 686-2241 ext. 345 or dispatch at (225) 686-2241 ext. 501.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: dkpen on February 03, 2007, 01:24:38 AM
oops...i just noticed you posted the same info Klaas. Sorry about that. In such a hurry to put it in i guess the other post went up before mine.

We all want to help this blessed child.

God please I pray, keep her safe and wrapped in your loving arms. Amen!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on February 03, 2007, 01:28:25 AM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Klass I sent her email to all her addys I have.. and just tryed to call her number again..   :(   her house phone.. it wont go through. leaves a message about verizon  :(
  I sent her Oldfarts info he sent me via email..

Thanks Angie!

  YW Klass. I feel bad.. I tryed the number again. and it dont go through..  Sighhhhhhhhhh   She is bound to get the email on one of the addys.    Not much more we can do right now?  unless she gets out of bed and reads the forum!!  WAKE UP GIRL!!!!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: klaasend on February 03, 2007, 01:29:44 AM
Oldfart - did you email Tim the information we have to contact the police?  If not I will.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: oldfart on February 03, 2007, 01:43:12 AM
Ok...
My nerves are Shot
I called the poilce dept  225-665-2241   let them know TES was wanting to help but could not until requested by family for police dept.
(they did not have any seaches going on at this time)...
I gave the "receptionsionst" a quick run down on TES (prob. too short) and how they might be able to be there Sat. if anyone asked them
I did not have the office # handy was not going to pass along the other # untill I got a call from someone there (sorry)
Also let them know efforts were going on to contact the family so the could contact TES and them (the police)

Called Tim / left message on answering machine  letting him know I contacated the police  left the police phone # and that we we trying to contact some one that know the family

Talk about feeing Helpless...
thanks Monkeys.... I did not realize that one phonce call  just wanting TES to beware of what was going on ..sol close to them ... would lead to this (what I mean.)  Just wish I had called earlier .


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: klaasend on February 03, 2007, 01:46:52 AM
Quote from: "oldfart"
Ok...
My nerves are Shot
I called the poilce dept  225-665-2241   let them know TES was wanting to help but could not until requested by family for police dept.
(they did not have any seaches going on at this time)...
I gave the "receptionsionst" a quick run down on TES (prob. too short) and how they might be able to be there Sat. if anyone asked them
I did not have the office # handy was not going to pass along the other # untill I got a call from someone there (sorry)
Also let them know efforts were going on to contact the family so the could contact TES and them (the police)

Called Tim / left message on answering machine  letting him know I contacated the police  left the police phone # and that we we trying to contact some one that know the family

Talk about feeing Helpless...
thanks Monkeys.... I did not realize that one phonce call  just wanting TES to beware of what was going on ..sol close to them ... would lead to this (what I mean.)  Just wish I had called earlier .


Thanks Oldfart - now get some rest!  You have done everything you can and no matter what..TES would not be able to get there tonight.  They can probably get there tomorrow if they get a call in the morning from the family.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on February 03, 2007, 01:47:10 AM
Olfart HUGS to you honey.. I feel helpless now as well. we did what we can.. Hope and pray Cubbee gets up early and reads her email and the forum... I know her number i cslled isnt working.. and I passed along your email you sent me to her..


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on February 03, 2007, 01:50:06 AM
What you've done Oldfart, is immeasurably helpful. I'm so proud of you and all the monkeys helping with this sad and urgent situation.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on February 03, 2007, 01:50:07 AM
I need to get to bed.. have to work early in the AM.. so night all..
My Prayers going out to all.... Night and hugs to Nemo


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: dkpen on February 03, 2007, 01:50:52 AM
Thanks Old Fart, Rob and Angie for helping Kaitlins family. I know it means a lot to cubbee and Kaitlins family.

I am sure cubbee won't be able to sleep to well tonight. She very well may get up later and check her e-mail and call her friend as soon as she gets it. We will learn more tomorrow I am sure.  Until then, prayers are sent their way as well as my strength and energy.

God bless~


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on February 03, 2007, 01:51:05 AM
Great work OF. I did read that they have searched with dogs in and around the area. Also, LE has seize the computers of both the suspect and Kaitlin. She was apparently in contact via cellphone thursday around 3:00 p when she got home from school and  her last activity onn her computer was 3:06......


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: jobie on February 03, 2007, 01:52:54 AM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Olfart HUGS to you honey.. I feel helpless now as well. we did what we can.. Hope and pray Cubbee gets up early and reads her email and the forum... I know her number i cslled isnt working.. and I passed along your email you sent me to her..


Klaas, OF and Angie - if I am ever in need of help I hope someone like yourselves are available!  You guys are terriffic.  I was heading for bed but had to wait until I heard the outcome of all your efforts.  I know Cubee will be greatful to you all as well.  I hold out hope for Kristen.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on February 03, 2007, 01:53:22 AM
I doubt that all members of the family are sleeping. Maybe the police will pass along the info to them and at least give them some hope of additional help.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on February 03, 2007, 01:53:36 AM
More sad news........

Missing Md. Teens' Car Found With 2 Bodies
Loudoun Discovery Points to Suicide

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/02/02/AR2007020201329.html


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: klaasend on February 03, 2007, 01:53:50 AM
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
Great work OF. I did read that they have searched with dogs in and around the area. Also, LE has seize the computers of both the suspect and Kaitlin. She was apparently in contact via cellphone thursday around 3:00 p when she got home from school and  her last activity onn her computer was 3:06......

Bleachedblack - I just read your update on the 2 Rachels.....how sad  :cry:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: dkpen on February 03, 2007, 01:54:10 AM
Someone said this Lewis guys wife was over at Kaitlins house the day before and now has disappeared since.  It seems very odd and strange to me. To coincidental.  I have a feeling she is involved with this or knows something and fled. Maybe someone should find and post her picture for the LE to find her for questioning as well.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on February 03, 2007, 01:55:04 AM
Monkeys - what can I say?  I have been following all your efforts here and have had to go back and forth to the lounge to keep from getting too upset about this lovely young girl.  I think it is amazing how you have been able to work together to get things to this point and I can only hope that the morning brings better news for all concerned.  Please God let her be safe.
If anyone knows cubbee's name and address is it worth trying your white pages to see if she has a different number listed to the one Angie has been trying.?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on February 03, 2007, 01:56:42 AM
I know....very sad. I was not really expecting it after these last 2 weeks, and several alleged sightings. I really thought the girls were runaways......after the journals they left.......


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: klaasend on February 03, 2007, 01:59:10 AM
Quote from: "dkpen"
Someone said this Lewis guys wife was over at Kaitlins house the day before and now has disappeared since.  It seems very odd and strange to me. To coincidental.  I have a feeling she is involved with this or knows something and fled. Maybe someone should find and post her picture for the LE to find her for questioning as well.


Cubbee wrote:

Quote
Not sure who all lived with him. I find it very strange that he lived right under my nose and I have never seen the guy...the wife was around last night when KK came up missing and today has disappeared...


DKpen - I'm sure the police in the area have a photo of her by now.  Not only that, she was around when they first started lookig for Kaitlin.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on February 03, 2007, 02:02:39 AM
Jobie..

  That was a really sweet post honey.  TY!  :)
  Have a good night..  I gotta hit the pillow..!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: dkpen on February 03, 2007, 02:03:47 AM
Oh dear Lord, how so very sad.  

The two girls must of had something very troubling going on in their life and felt they could not share it with anyone to end their short lived lives.

I have much to pray about tonight and much to be thankful for in my own life.

I believe I am going to head to bed myself. I've become emotionally drained.  I will check back in tomorrow to check about cubbees friend.

God bless~


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: klaasend on February 03, 2007, 02:06:47 AM
GOODNIGHT ALL - let's pray Cubbee checks her email and the forum in the morning.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on February 03, 2007, 02:09:49 AM
sure will...Nite All


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: oldfart on February 03, 2007, 02:17:18 AM
G'NIte Monkeys

I left a message for Cubbie in the "MIssing Perssons Forum"

You have (some of you might) NO idea how much support I got from all of you (my extended) family.  Thank You..

I was tempted to Googel the parents and make a phone call ... but without knowing Cubbie's real name as a reference...
May have been more trauma for her parents... and that is something I would never do

thanks Again

SeeYaByee


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on February 03, 2007, 02:46:27 AM
Nite OldFart. May smiling angels watch over you tonight, and may angels bring comfort and protection to that young girl and her family.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Kat_Gram on February 03, 2007, 07:23:26 AM
Been reading back. Great work OFart. I hope and pray that this has a good outcome.


Title: Good Morning
Post by: Leslie on February 03, 2007, 07:56:36 AM
Diario
http://www.diarioaruba.com/
Amigoe
http://www.amigoe.com/english/
BonDia
http://www.cspnv.com/
Solo di Pueblo
http://www.solodipueblo.com/
AweMainta
http://www.awemainta.com/
Aruba Today
http://www.arubatoday.com/
Translator:
http://papiamentu.donamaro.nl


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Peaches on February 03, 2007, 07:58:21 AM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Quote from: "Peaches"
Made it!


Peaches
Is your DH the director on that video?  I love barbershop!


No.  He's in the chorus.  He's on the left in "Ain't She Sweet" and the right in the other one.  Think handlebar mustache.  I know...

Good morning.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Leslie on February 03, 2007, 08:05:17 AM
Louisiana TV News
http://www.wafb.com/


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Leslie on February 03, 2007, 08:23:46 AM
From Amigoe
OM will not prosecute minister  
ORENJESTAD – The Aruban minister Ramon Lee of labour, Culture, and Sport (MEP) will not be indicted for rape, announced the Public Prosecutor (OM) close to noon.  
It appears that the alleged victim had already dropped the charges in a letter dated December 20th.  She did this, because she wants peace and quiet for herself and for her family.  On November 11th, she reported that she was forced to have intercourse with the minister in her home.  She says that dropping the charges doesn’t mean that she denies that it happened; neither will the OM stop the investigations.  The Justice department can still decide to prosecute, unless there is sufficient convincing evidence.  This is not the case here, said the OM.
Lee was interrogates twice as a suspect and admitted that he had intercourse with her, but that it was consensual.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Peaches on February 03, 2007, 08:48:02 AM
Well, isn't that special?  So the raping minister of the government gets to go on his merry way to spread his joy yet another day.  Why am I not surprised?  What a ridiculous decision.  I guess I don't understand their system.  

I do understand the victim not wanting to pursue it.  It isn't as if anything meaningful would come of it for her.  Why do I think perhaps she is not Dutch?  And I bet he is.  There ya go.

Makes me sick.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Rob on February 03, 2007, 09:10:26 AM
Old Fart- you did a terrific job and did your best. Im proud to know you.

Thanks for the great effort last nite.

You have made a difference.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: justinsmama on February 03, 2007, 09:20:48 AM
Quote from: "Rob"
Old Fart- you did a terrific job and did your best. Im proud to know you.

Thanks for the great effort last nite.

You have made a difference.


Hiya, Rob! Yes, OF did good! And Angie and everyone last night!

Peaches~ It's typical of that place. Must be awful to be a female in Aruba. How are you?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Rob on February 03, 2007, 09:20:58 AM
Todays Diario-
(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/veredictodroga.jpg)

ORANJESTAD(AAN): Diabierna na corte huez a duna sentencia den e caso di traficacion di droga na Matividiri, na unda cu 22 kilo di cocaina y 25 kilo di marihuana a wordo confisca.
Den e caso aki, 5 persona Latino y un Arubiano a wordo acusa di importacion, traficacion y posesion di droga.

Huez a splica cu pa loke ta Soto Gouverneur, e ta haya e prome y di dos acusacion comproba, esta cu el a participa den e importacion di droga, sinembargo huez ta haya cu e no tabata sa di cuanto droga tabata trata.

Huez a dune 2 aña di castigo. Pa loke ta e Arubiano Albert Albertsz, huez a haya cu e tambe a yuda importa e droga, apesar cu el a bisa cu e djis tabata den e auto cu e persona y e no tabata sa cu ta droga el a bay busca.

Huez den su caso tambe a bisa cu e no tabata sa cuanto droga tabata bay drenta. Sinembargo mirando cu na 2003 el a haya un castigo di 3 aña pa traficacion di droga, huez a dicidi di dune un castigo mas halto, pues di 3 aña y mey.

Acusado di fam Gutierrez a wordo haya culpable pa huez, di ta gana placa riba importacion di droga. Mirando cu na 2002 ya caba el a yega di haya un castigo di 6 luna relaciona cu droga, huez a dicidi di dune un castigo di 2 aña.

Acusado Bolivar Andrade a haya 4 aña di huez pa su envolvimento tambe den e caso aki unda cu 22 kilo di cocaina y 25 kilo di marihuana a wordo importa. Ademas di esaki e tabata envolvi den otro casonan di importacion di droga, como tambe posesion di 1.1 kilo di marihuana, cu a wordo haya na su cas.

Pa loke ta acusado Brito, huez ta haya cu e ta forma parti di un organizacion criminal y cu el a yuda importa e cocaina. Importacion di marihuana den su caso no por a wordo comproba.

Huez a dune un castigo di 3 aña y mey. Redondo Almazo ta e acusado cu a haya e castigo mas halto. Huez a dune 6 aña, pa su rol grandi den importacion y traficacion di droga, mientras cu huez ta haya tambe cu e ta forma parti di un organizacion criminal.

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/veredictodroga-2.jpg)

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/veredictodroga-1.jpg)

Sentencing in the case of trafficking drugs. Confiscated 22 kilos of coke and 25 kilos of mary jane. Participation in the importation of the drugs.
Appears all got between 2 and 3 years. All accused of being part of a criminal organization. One person may have received 4 years. Not sure if these guys are all part of the same bust. They could be individual cases.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Leslie on February 03, 2007, 09:23:54 AM
Aruba:  Sex, Drugs and Rock and Roll!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: justinsmama on February 03, 2007, 09:26:22 AM
Aruba: Rape, Drugging, and Rave and Roll!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Kat_Gram on February 03, 2007, 09:26:46 AM
Quote from: "Leslie"
From Amigoe
OM will not prosecute minister  
ORENJESTAD – The Aruban minister Ramon Lee of labour, Culture, and Sport (MEP) will not be indicted for rape, announced the Public Prosecutor (OM) close to noon.  
It appears that the alleged victim had already dropped the charges in a letter dated December 20th.  She did this, because she wants peace and quiet for herself and for her family.  On November 11th, she reported that she was forced to have intercourse with the minister in her home.  She says that dropping the charges doesn’t mean that she denies that it happened; neither will the OM stop the investigations.  The Justice department can still decide to prosecute, unless there is sufficient convincing evidence.  This is not the case here, said the OM.
Lee was interrogates twice as a suspect and admitted that he had intercourse with her, but that it was consensual.

You would think( and that is the problem, they don't ) that it would not be up to the victim to go forward with the charges.  She wants peace and quiet. Wonder what they were doing to her to make her back down ?


Title: Contact the family directly and tell them
Post by: IBE on February 03, 2007, 09:27:01 AM
Am just catching up on last nights posts....OK Maybe I am doing a "duh" through the tears here, but isn't possible, I mean, can't the family be called directly since it's almost 9:39 AM in Cubbee's area??? I know some might not think it's proper but if my daughter were missing I wouldn't care who, how or when a call came in if it would help

Know the Police mean well with their tip # but sometimes info runs slow from point A to B

We learned that from Aruba... when they didn't (being a small, not having many murders or missing persons area  :roll: ) follow up fast enough with tips of a broader scope and/or scoop

We are more learned (?gammar/) in more areas than sometimes a smaller town or small parish with all their pressure and press in town now ie: here on Scared Monkeys many think outside the box.

Has anyone contacted Cubbee??? yet? I haven't kept up on the names of the family? are they in the phone book??

Angie... Verizon isn't one of my favorite companies!

Rob, Old Fart, Angie, Cubbee and Monkeys Keep up the good work.

Quote
Like Jobie said
Klaas, OF and Angie - if I am ever in need of help I hope someone like yourselves are available! You guys are terriffic.


Ditto!!!

Oh, I support the "bayou boys" too.

BT... what was the technical thing used to get the guy's confession thrown out?

Here's another area where we can put pressure... on the officials that make the errors whether police or whomever, that make the errors that lead to the confessions being thrown out... Like what happened to the p-vert in FLA too.

Hugs to Cubbe, the families and all of you!

Love, IBE
(just missed a night's sleep)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: IBE on February 03, 2007, 09:32:15 AM
OK :lol:

Is "mary jane" pot?? :oops:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Leslie on February 03, 2007, 09:32:17 AM
Quote from: "justinsmama"
Aruba: Rape, Drugging, and Rave and Roll!

 :D Much more accurate than my comment!  Had another thought - Aruba: Rape, Drugging, and Rave and Rolling the American Tourists.  I just feel goofy today. :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: San on February 03, 2007, 09:35:33 AM
Quote from: "Leslie"
From Amigoe
OM will not prosecute minister  
ORENJESTAD – The Aruban minister Ramon Lee of labour, Culture, and Sport (MEP) will not be indicted for rape, announced the Public Prosecutor (OM) close to noon.  
It appears that the alleged victim had already dropped the charges in a letter dated December 20th.  She did this, because she wants peace and quiet for herself and for her family.  On November 11th, she reported that she was forced to have intercourse with the minister in her home.  She says that dropping the charges doesn’t mean that she denies that it happened; neither will the OM stop the investigations.  The Justice department can still decide to prosecute, unless there is sufficient convincing evidence.  This is not the case here, said the OM.
Lee was interrogates twice as a suspect and admitted that he had intercourse with her, but that it was consensual.

It sounds more like she did this because they threatened her and her family.

I knew this was going to happen from day one.  They are all a bunch of rapists on that island.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: San on February 03, 2007, 09:37:17 AM
Quote from: "justinsmama"
Aruba: Rape, Drugging, and Rave and Roll!

Yep.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Peaches on February 03, 2007, 09:37:42 AM
Hi Rob,  nice job last nite.  I am heartbroken about this missing child, Kaitlyn.  I can't seem to find anything NEW about searches, etc.

Justins, three more rounds left.  Color me cancer free until further notice.  Of course, my doctor is going to watch me like a hawk for a long time but so far, so good.  Next CT is probably in April, after the last round of chemo.  Of course, the consolidation chemo that I'm doing right now is to kill anything microscopic  because my last CT was clean.  More than ya wanna know I bet.  Well, somebody's bound to be looking for details.  I know I'm pretty nosy.

Anybody heard from Cubbee this morning?   I am freaking out about this :shock:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: terryd270 on February 03, 2007, 09:39:10 AM
Peaches,

Are you still there?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Peaches on February 03, 2007, 09:40:46 AM
Yes, Terry.  How great to see you!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: terryd270 on February 03, 2007, 09:42:53 AM
Can you email me, its kinda important?  Its great see you too. BtGirl has my email and she can give it to you, tell her I wanted to talk to you..


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Peaches on February 03, 2007, 09:44:53 AM
My PC is running extra slow this morning.  Of course I'm trying to run Ad Aware in the background which is working out poorly I must say.

How is my favorite peeping squirrel these days?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: terryd270 on February 03, 2007, 09:46:00 AM
I think Klaasend has it too but she might of lost it..  Its about a friend of mine that was told that he had throat cancer Level IV and he is going to be doing a combo of radiation and chem o ..


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Peaches on February 03, 2007, 09:46:57 AM
Quote from: "terryd270"
Can you email me, its kinda important?  Its great see you too. BtGirl has my email and she can give it to you, tell her I wanted to talk to you..


Do I have your email??  If not, email me... peaches0329@hotmail.com


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: terryd270 on February 03, 2007, 09:47:03 AM
I'm actually getting ready for a bike ride tonight in Miami.. Can't wait for the big game tomorrow and just been super busy..


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: terryd270 on February 03, 2007, 09:47:46 AM
Thanks, I'm doing it now..


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: klaasend on February 03, 2007, 09:48:59 AM
PEACHES - Here's is BTgirls email address.  That way you can email BTgirl and she can give you TerryD's email addy :wink:

sockmonkey_mom@yahoo.com

Nevermind :oops: I see you guys figured it out


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: justinsmama on February 03, 2007, 09:54:46 AM
Quote from: "Peaches"
Hi Rob,  nice job last nite.  I am heartbroken about this missing child, Kaitlyn.  I can't seem to find anything NEW about searches, etc.

Justins, three more rounds left.  Color me cancer free until further notice.  Of course, my doctor is going to watch me like a hawk for a long time but so far, so good.  Next CT is probably in April, after the last round of chemo.  Of course, the consolidation chemo that I'm doing right now is to kill anything microscopic  because my last CT was clean.  More than ya wanna know I bet.  Well, somebody's bound to be looking for details.  I know I'm pretty nosy.

Anybody heard from Cubbee this morning?   I am freaking out about this :shock:


Your progress is what I wanted to know! And I am so happy that you are nearing the end of the treatments with such good results!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: justinsmama on February 03, 2007, 09:56:52 AM
Quote from: "terryd270"
I think Klaasend has it too but she might of lost it..  Its about a friend of mine that was told that he had throat cancer Level IV and he is going to be doing a combo of radiation and chem o ..


Terry~ I'm sorry for your friend. Hope I quit smoking in time to save myself from anything like that.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: IBE on February 03, 2007, 09:58:31 AM
Klaas you're up early!

Need some help on time... I have my profile set at GMT -7.. when I first come on the site, before logging in it ways a time around 2 something this afternoon.. when I log on it says it's 7 something, I think your post reads 7:48 and I know that time is impossilble.

Why such time differences from the front page of this site and then the posting times and I am still off.. should it be GMT -8?

Could blame it on my breakfast... heated up tonight's dinner that I took home from the fundraiser.. pork, potatoes, corn, and a nice heart shaped cupcake.. chocolate with thick icing.

When the next generations of the Internet comes... maybe I can send you all cupcakes immediately.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: klaasend on February 03, 2007, 09:58:48 AM
Quote from: "terryd270"
I think Klaasend has it too but she might of lost it..  Its about a friend of mine that was told that he had throat cancer Level IV and he is going to be doing a combo of radiation and chem o ..


{{HUGS}} to your friend Terryd.  Peaches is definately the one to talk to then.  Glad you guys were able to connect.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: klaasend on February 03, 2007, 10:00:42 AM
Quote from: "IBE"
Klaas you're up early!

Need some help on time... I have my profile set at GMT -7.. when I first come on the site, before logging in it ways a time around 2 something this afternoon.. when I log on it says it's 7 something, I think your post reads 7:48 and I know that time is impossilble.

Why such time differences from the front page of this site and then the posting times and I am still off.. should it be GMT -8?

Could blame it on my breakfast... heated up tonight's dinner that I took home from the fundraiser.. pork, potatoes, corn, and a nice heart shaped cupcake.. chocolate with thick icing.

When the next generations of the Internet comes... maybe I can send you all cupcakes immediately.


I'm set at -8 and it's correct.  The front page posts will always be wrong, no way to change that..the time for those is wrong for me too.  The time in the forum has no connection to the time on the front page.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: IBE on February 03, 2007, 10:01:43 AM
Peaches... great news :lol:  :lol:

Terry I hope the best to your friend and hello Justinsmom... go Colts!

Good Morning to all!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: IBE on February 03, 2007, 10:05:11 AM
Thanks Klaas need to update to -8 not 7... an hour short, a day late! :lol:

Am trying not to go to sleep until we hear from CBB for an update!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: msmarple on February 03, 2007, 10:21:38 AM
Since someone brought up TIME, I just wanted to mention something; maybe klaas can advise us.

Through some Congressional thingie, Daylight Savings Time has been extended as of this year. It will go into effect weekend of March 11 and remain until November 4. I've heard MS will have a service patch to "fix" our computer clocks and Outlook Calendars etc., but I think you have to go out there and fetch it.

Most computers up until the last year or so are programmed to do the time change on the first FULL weekend of April and the last FULL weekend of October. (Full weekend - Saturday & Sunday in the same month.)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: klaasend on February 03, 2007, 10:22:53 AM
Quote from: "msmarple"
Since someone brought up TIME, I just wanted to mention something; maybe klaas can advise us.

Through some Congressional thingie, Daylight Savings Time has been extended as of this year. It will go into effect weekend of March 11 and remain until November 4. I've heard MS will have a service patch to "fix" our computer clocks and Outlook Calendars etc., but I think you have to go out there and fetch it.

Most computers up until the last year or so are programmed to do the time change on the first FULL weekend of April and the last FULL weekend of October. (Full weekend - Saturday & Sunday in the same month.)


msmarple - thanks for the reminder on that.  Let me see what I can find about the patch.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: klaasend on February 03, 2007, 10:25:39 AM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "msmarple"
Since someone brought up TIME, I just wanted to mention something; maybe klaas can advise us.

Through some Congressional thingie, Daylight Savings Time has been extended as of this year. It will go into effect weekend of March 11 and remain until November 4. I've heard MS will have a service patch to "fix" our computer clocks and Outlook Calendars etc., but I think you have to go out there and fetch it.

Most computers up until the last year or so are programmed to do the time change on the first FULL weekend of April and the last FULL weekend of October. (Full weekend - Saturday & Sunday in the same month.)


msmarple - thanks for the reminder on that.  Let me see what I can find about the patch.


I'm just reading through all this right now:

http://www.microsoft.com/windows/timezone/dst2007.mspx#EPF

This page has the actual downloads on it.

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/928388


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: oldfart on February 03, 2007, 10:34:45 AM
Morning Monkeys

I over slept  
have a ton of stuff to do today ..
With the wind chill it about -8 outside   BRRRRrrr

Praying for  Kaitlin and her family

Will check back later


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: klaasend on February 03, 2007, 10:35:56 AM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "msmarple"
Since someone brought up TIME, I just wanted to mention something; maybe klaas can advise us.

Through some Congressional thingie, Daylight Savings Time has been extended as of this year. It will go into effect weekend of March 11 and remain until November 4. I've heard MS will have a service patch to "fix" our computer clocks and Outlook Calendars etc., but I think you have to go out there and fetch it.

Most computers up until the last year or so are programmed to do the time change on the first FULL weekend of April and the last FULL weekend of October. (Full weekend - Saturday & Sunday in the same month.)


msmarple - thanks for the reminder on that.  Let me see what I can find about the patch.


I'm just reading through all this right now:

http://www.microsoft.com/windows/timezone/dst2007.mspx#EPF

This page has the actual downloads on it.

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/928388


I believe it's going to be an automated update.  The change doesn't go into effect until March 11, looks like they've been making many revisions to the patch.  I'd wait a bit before downloading anything.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Peaches on February 03, 2007, 10:39:10 AM
Whatever you need, Terry.  I'll watch for your email.

Any news on Kaitlyn??


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: klaasend on February 03, 2007, 10:42:16 AM
Quote from: "Peaches"
Whatever you need, Terry.  I'll watch for your email.

Any news on Kaitlyn??

No news on Kaitlyn.  I've checked all the local news in that area and nothing.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: NM on February 03, 2007, 10:58:00 AM
Just dropping in.
Prayers for Kaitlyn.

You Monkeys are great!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on February 03, 2007, 11:08:42 AM
Good Morning Monkeys!   Any news on Kaitlin yet?  I couldn't sleep last night thinking about her.  


Did I see Terry in here?  Hi Terry, so good to see you.  Sending prayers to your friend with cancer for strength and recovery.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Rob on February 03, 2007, 11:11:38 AM
we have a AMBER ALERT HERE IN PITTSBURGH

23 MONTH OLD : NAME NIAM? DIDNT CATCH THE REST OF THE NAME

BRADDOCK POLICE DEPT.

JUST BROKE IN TO ALL CABLE  AND THEY DID THE RIGHT THING.

CHILD TAKEN FROM BED IN MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT.

Braddock Hills Borough - Police & Fire Department
Wilkins Avenue Bri
Pittsburgh, PA 15203

412-371-1616


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: klaasend on February 03, 2007, 11:14:20 AM
Quote from: "Rob"
we have a AMBER ALERT HERE IN PITTSBURGH

23 MONTH OLD : NAME NIAM? DIDNT CATCH THE REST OF THE NAME

BRADDOCK POLICE DEPT.

JUST BROKE IN TO ALL CABLE  AND THEY DID THE RIGHT THING.

CHILD TAKEN FROM BED IN MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT.

Braddock Hills Borough - Police & Fire Department
Wilkins Avenue Bri
Pittsburgh, PA 15203

412-371-1616


Missing Braddock Baby

POSTED: 9:25 am EST February 3, 2007

 
BRADDOCK -- Right now police are searching for a missing 1-year-old girl from Braddock.

Allegheny County Emergency Dispatchers report the toddler is African American and was last seen wearing a maroon, yellow and blue sweater, plus a pair of pampers.

She did not have any shoes, or socks on, but may have a blue electric blanket.

The girl was last spotted on 1st Street in Braddock this (Saturday) morning.

http://www.wpxi.com/news/10920887/detail.html


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Cat on February 03, 2007, 11:14:53 AM
Great Job of Ain't She Sweet.I have noticed that porn seems to a common factor today as a trigger and an enabler to many of these sicko's,here and in aruba.It is sad and troubling,at the same time.The mobility of our societies,the internet,porn,drugs,etc.Yes,now we are seeing a drug that the nazi's created that is 100% addictive with the first use,rage,depression,and paranoia after you come down in 24-48 hours.Isn't this a great addition to our society.I know that when I was studying alcohol and drugs,many years ago,Cocaine was considered harmless.To exspensive,not additive,not readily availible to the masses,woops.i like freedom,but what reason do we have for porn.just a thought.A random thought,but maybe a stray tabby can have a correct thought on occasion.Cubbe,my thoughts and prayers,hugs to all.CAT


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Cat on February 03, 2007, 11:16:27 AM
Throw out confessions and allow groups like namlba to exist,legally.Strange world.CAT


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: IBE on February 03, 2007, 11:19:47 AM
Cat, Hi, what drug did the Nazi's invent?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: justinsmama on February 03, 2007, 11:44:20 AM
Quote from: "Rob"
we have a AMBER ALERT HERE IN PITTSBURGH

23 MONTH OLD : NAME NIAM? DIDNT CATCH THE REST OF THE NAME

BRADDOCK POLICE DEPT.

JUST BROKE IN TO ALL CABLE  AND THEY DID THE RIGHT THING.

CHILD TAKEN FROM BED IN MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT.

Braddock Hills Borough - Police & Fire Department
Wilkins Avenue Bri
Pittsburgh, PA 15203

412-371-1616


Hope she is found soon, safe and well.

This simply terrifies me, someone coming into one's home and snatching one's kid right out their room.  :cry:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Rob on February 03, 2007, 11:47:05 AM
dont cha just love those wacky Dutch? NOT!

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070202/ap_on_fe_st/netherlands_nude_gym_2


Title: Re: Contact the family directly and tell them
Post by: BTgirl on February 03, 2007, 11:52:26 AM
Quote from: "IBE"
(Snipped)


BT... what was the technical thing used to get the guy's confession thrown out?

Love, IBE
(just missed a night's sleep)


IBE - they haven't said on the local news what the technicality was, and I've been wondering the same thing myself. It still just makes me furious!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Cat on February 03, 2007, 11:55:26 AM
Yaba,I believe is the name.A methaphetimine,plus caffine.It has been a red pill.90 % of inmates in Montana are meth addicts.When we did a study on drugs in the dark ages,we felt meth was the drug to fear.It is.So Immediately addictive,so many violent rages.CAT


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: klaasend on February 03, 2007, 12:11:47 PM
TIM MILLER/TES has contacted Red and told him that he has a team going to help search for KAITLIN today.

Tim's team should be in the French Settlement around 4-5 this afternoon.  They will have a team of 5-10 people and will be taking the side scan sonar equiptment as well.

RED will be posting updates on the front page of SM and the Missing Persons blog.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Peaches on February 03, 2007, 12:13:28 PM
Thanks, Cat.  The chorus used to do a lot of comedy/parody stuff.  Nice clean fun.  It's a hobby that I don't mind him having.  At least I know where he is.  And how much fun can you get into singing?

Too many chores.  BBL.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on February 03, 2007, 12:15:08 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
TIM MILLER/TES has contacted Red and told him that he has a team going to help search for KAITLIN today.

Tim's team should be in the French Settlement around 4-5 this afternoon.  They will have a team of 5-10 people and will be taking the side scan sonar equiptment as well.

RED will be posting updates on the front page of SM and the Missing Persons blog.


YES!!!! That's terrific news, Klaas!!!!

Thank you to all the monkeys that were a catalyst for that!!!!

OldFart.........thank you for making those calls!

Has anyone heard from Cubbee?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: klaasend on February 03, 2007, 12:15:42 PM
No word from Cubbee yet this morning.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Artcolley on February 03, 2007, 12:17:34 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
TIM MILLER/TES has contacted Red and told him that he has a team going to help search for KAITLIN today.

Tim's team should be in the French Settlement around 4-5 this afternoon.  They will have a team of 5-10 people and will be taking the side scan sonar equiptment as well.

RED will be posting updates on the front page of SM and the Missing Persons blog.


WONDERFUL NEWS, KLAAS!
If anyone can find her, Tim Miller/TES will!!!!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: dkpen on February 03, 2007, 12:18:38 PM
Thank you Klaas, that is great news and a comfort to know Tim/TES will be there to help with the search.

Has anyone heard from cubbee yet?  

Keeping Kaitlin and her family in my heart and prayers.


God bless~


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: dkpen on February 03, 2007, 12:20:40 PM
Will return later on. Jumping in the shower and getting lunch.

cubbee, if you are out there, much love goes out to you and Kaitlins family. Please keep us posted.

<<HUGS>>


God bless~


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on February 03, 2007, 12:20:58 PM
You know, I almost wish mangement had a voluntary database for our monkeys. I know, this isn't "Contact Concern", but if something happened to me, you guys would probably wonder where I was before anybody else did!  :shock:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Cat on February 03, 2007, 12:25:20 PM
I was involved in sanging in the past.It was fun.CBB,I would come looking if you vanished.You are all family to me,some are closer,than others.I would love to know your thoughts about porn and its impact on society today.CAT


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Cat on February 03, 2007, 12:27:16 PM
Oh well,I was interupted in mid-rant,so I met my wife through the arts.And you didn't know cats could sing,but we can't,just yowll with glee.CAT


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: justinsmama on February 03, 2007, 12:29:57 PM
Monkeys Rock!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: msmarple on February 03, 2007, 12:34:19 PM
Quote from: "Cat"
Oh well,I was interupted in mid-rant,so I met my wife through the arts.And you didn't know cats could sing,but we can't,just yowll with glee.CAT


Cat - MY cat can certainly rant, and does so whenever she has issues with me! She can even say my name ... over and over and over  :shock:

Must say I'm impressed with OldF, TES and monkeys on the whole and at large ... I pray this has a good ending.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Kat_Gram on February 03, 2007, 12:37:38 PM
Old Fart did very well here. That was pretty fast action on Tim Miller's part also.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on February 03, 2007, 12:52:31 PM
Quote from: "Cat"
I was involved in sanging in the past.It was fun.CBB,I would come looking if you vanished.You are all family to me,some are closer,than others.I would love to know your thoughts about porn and its impact on society today.CAT


I saw your earlier post referring to porn, and went to get my soapbox!
I have pretty strong feelings about it, but admit that there's never been even the tiniest appeal or attraction for me, so I may be biased.
For some, porn seems to be a gateway to addiction that requires more and more quantity and distance from healthy attitudes about sex. I think that because men are generally more "visual" by nature, porn addiction is more common among men. All kinds of studies show that women are initially physically attracted by all kinds of stimuli, including emotional responses to expressions of emotions. Men seem to acquire that toward a particular woman with time, but are far more stimulated by visual impact.

With the underlay of violence, pain, and dominance that is pervasive on available  internet porn, etc, sexual fantasy gets twisted. For some, twisted to the point that "love" based sex just isn't able to satisfy. It can be a serious descent into depravity for some people. Just as most of us can have a drink without becoming an alcoholic, most folks would just stop before porn became dominate in their thinking. But there are lots of folks who simply should never delve into it.

It flies in the face of the freedoms that we all hold dear, but I honestly think that there are many ruined lives and victims of the porn industry. I could go on about this all day, but will leave it at that.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Rob on February 03, 2007, 12:55:51 PM
AMBER ALERT UPDATE-

CHILD HAS LARGE SCARS ON EACH EAR LOBE AND COULD BE WRAPPED IN A BLUE ELECTRIC BLANKET.

STILL NOT FOUND.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: klaasend on February 03, 2007, 01:02:39 PM
Quote from: "Rob"
AMBER ALERT UPDATE-

CHILD HAS LARGE SCARS ON EACH EAR LOBE AND COULD BE WRAPPED IN A BLUE ELECTRIC BLANKET.

STILL NOT FOUND.


Rob - I added a thread in the Missing Persons forum for this baby.  Some reports say blue blanket and others say pink.  Wish they would get their story straight.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on February 03, 2007, 01:02:57 PM
Phl 4:8 Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things [are] honest, whatsoever things [are] just, whatsoever things [are] pure, whatsoever things [are] lovely, whatsoever things [are] of good report; if [there be] any virtue, and if [there be] any praise, think on these things.

OK, Last word on my "porn" rant. The above says it far better than I can.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Rob on February 03, 2007, 01:04:04 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Rob"
AMBER ALERT UPDATE-

CHILD HAS LARGE SCARS ON EACH EAR LOBE AND COULD BE WRAPPED IN A BLUE ELECTRIC BLANKET.

STILL NOT FOUND.


Rob - I added a thread in the Missing Persons forum for this baby.  Some reports say blue blanket and others say pink.  Wish they would get their story straight.


kLAAS-
DURING THE LAST CABLE BREAK IN, THEY SAID BLUE AGAIN. THIS AREA IS ONLY ABOUT 8 - 10 MILES FROM ME AND NOT A GOOD SECTION OF TOWN.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: oldfart on February 03, 2007, 01:06:49 PM
Yes  !!
I'm so glad Kaitlin's family or the police got TES involved

Still praying for a good out come.


I'm sorry for the panic attack last night gang.  :oops: ... Now I can get rid of that phone #


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Rob on February 03, 2007, 01:12:38 PM
Quote from: "oldfart"
Yes  !!
I'm so glad Kaitlin's family or the police got TES involved

Still praying for a good out come.


I'm sorry for the panic attack last night gang.  :oops: ... Now I can get rid of that phone #


Tims cadaver dog will find Kaitlin very fast. That is the same dog that was donated to him and found Tikaria* Buggs in the river.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Sleuth on February 03, 2007, 01:12:44 PM
Quote from: "terryd270"
I'm actually getting ready for a bike ride tonight in Miami.. Can't wait for the big game tomorrow and just been super busy..


TerryD - Are you doing the Shark Valley Full Moon ride?  I am, will be leaving within an hour to meet up with some co-workers.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: dkpen on February 03, 2007, 01:14:19 PM
Quote from: "oldfart"
Yes  !!
I'm so glad Kaitlin's family or the police got TES involved

Still praying for a good out come.


I'm sorry for the panic attack last night gang.  :oops: ... Now I can get rid of that phone #


OldFart, no need to appologise. You did awsome last night. I think some, if not all, went into a state of shock and feelings of urgency. I'm just grateful for your fast thinking and quick actions to call Tim/TES to get them involved. And grateful for Rob in helping cubbee with information and Angie to think on trying to call or e-mail cubbee with the same info. You are all "Super Monkeys".

God bless~


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Sleuth on February 03, 2007, 01:14:50 PM
OldFart - hats off to you for picking up the phone to call Tim Miller - many thanks!

Angie and Rob - great work last night on this also.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Nut44x4 on February 03, 2007, 01:17:25 PM
Quote from: "oldfart"
Yes  !!
I'm so glad Kaitlin's family or the police got TES involved

Still praying for a good out come.


I'm sorry for the panic attack last night gang.  :oops: ... Now I can get rid of that phone #



ITA with best wishes and hope for a positive outcome...WTF is happening in our world. Seems abduction of our youth and beyond has become an epidemic, worldwide actually...it is almost like a disease that spreads throughout. I am just ill over it all.....     :cry:


Title: Good Monkeys
Post by: IBE on February 03, 2007, 01:17:27 PM
Still haven't been to bed... waiting for news

What good news about TES... are the Monkeys emailing and/or telephoning Cubee so she will know in case she does not check in here?

Wouldn't want to put pressure on her friendship with the family, but maybe she could be our "Monkey" on the ground there and tells us more about TES. Remember when one of our Monkeys got to meet with and be in a conf. with Mr. Skeeters??

The Internet can work in wonderful ways that will overcome the bad uses some do.

I am going to use Paypal now for the Scared Monkeys and for TES!!! every small bit helps!

Klaas, have misplaced your email. Would like to email you, please.

I just read about Mr. Skeeters. He was always very honest and straight forward with me. Soon his name will be cleared!

Perhaps Cubee is out searching right now also. I sure would be.

When Monkeys roll, they roll!!


Rob, I have personal experience that even when neighborhoods are "not so good", you and I know that the neighbors there ban together and help, except in being witnesses to gangs when they are afraid for thier own survival and rightly so.

Monkeys are on a roll again!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: dkpen on February 03, 2007, 01:18:07 PM
I talked hubby in going to pick up lunch for us and bring home. Not sure what he's bringing back. Think it will be Ryan's buffet. LOL


Any news from cubbee yet?  Bless her heart she is probably asleep from lack of sleep last night, I'm sure. That or over at her friends house helping in any way she can.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: klaasend on February 03, 2007, 01:24:07 PM
IBE -  Here is my email addy:

smklaasend@hotmail.com

Running to the grocery store in a minute though so I may not get back to you right away.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: klaasend on February 03, 2007, 01:24:39 PM
Quote from: "dkpen"
I talked hubby in going to pick up lunch for us and bring home. Not sure what he's bringing back. Think it will be Ryan's buffet. LOL


Any news from cubbee yet?  Bless her heart she is probably asleep from lack of sleep last night, I'm sure. That or over at her friends house helping in any way she can.


I doubt she's sleeping, she's probably out searching.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Rob on February 03, 2007, 01:27:31 PM
Monks- thank you all for the compliments. I really didnt do much. I couldnt get his criminal file for some reason. I see it, but cant unlock it. I have no idea why it is locked.

IBE- This area is particularly bad. I hope that this case is a parent of family member that has the child and is hold the child to keep the child from some type of danger that person may have observed in the home.

It is about 8 degrees outside right now and no one can last long in these conditions without being in a home that is heated. Braddock has alotta boarded up homes and was the original area where most of the steel workers lived at the turn of the 20th century.

Lots of gang activity there and shootings all the time.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Rob on February 03, 2007, 01:29:17 PM
Old Fart deserves the credit here. He used his noggin and action followed.

And Angie.. she did alot to.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: mishy on February 03, 2007, 01:38:10 PM
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
Phl 4:8 Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things [are] honest, whatsoever things [are] just, whatsoever things [are] pure, whatsoever things [are] lovely, whatsoever things [are] of good report; if [there be] any virtue, and if [there be] any praise, think on these things.

OK, Last word on my "porn" rant. The above says it far better than I can.


Thank you CBB. I love that verse...I think it speaks volumes!

And thank you to OF and all the monkeys and TES for their quick work to get Kaitlin back home. I could hardly sleep last night for thinking and praying for her and her family...I pray this has a good outcome for all involved.

Also reeling about the child taken from her bed. My daughter's room is on the first floor, and I must admit, since becoming a Monkey and becoming more aware of what goes on out there, I've wanted to put bars on her windows or something! But then I think, what if there was a fire or something and I wanted to get in her room through the window to get her out? I must be the most paranoid mom ever!

BT, I cannot believe that a man would rape and kill his own child and then have the confession thrown out. What is this world coming to? Changes need to be made in the justice system for these innocent victims who can't speak/fight for themselves  :cry:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: mishy on February 03, 2007, 01:39:24 PM
Quote from: "oldfart"
Yes  !!
I'm so glad Kaitlin's family or the police got TES involved

Still praying for a good out come.


I'm sorry for the panic attack last night gang.  :oops: ... Now I can get rid of that phone #


You did GREAT, OldFart!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: mishy on February 03, 2007, 01:46:13 PM
Quote from: "Rob"
Monks- thank you all for the compliments. I really didnt do much. I couldnt get his criminal file for some reason. I see it, but cant unlock it. I have no idea why it is locked.

IBE- This area is particularly bad. I hope that this case is a parent of family member that has the child and is hold the child to keep the child from some type of danger that person may have observed in the home.

It is about 8 degrees outside right now and no one can last long in these conditions without being in a home that is heated. Braddock has alotta boarded up homes and was the original area where most of the steel workers lived at the turn of the 20th century.

Lots of gang activity there and shootings all the time.


Rob, I pray this is the case too. Hopefully the child is safe and warm!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: dkpen on February 03, 2007, 01:54:01 PM
I want to know where Lewis wife disappeared too.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: mishy on February 03, 2007, 02:00:08 PM
Quote from: "dkpen"
I want to know where Lewis wife disappeared too.


DKpen, has Lewis disappeared too? I wonder what's up with his wife...

where did everybody go?  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: cubbeegirl on February 03, 2007, 02:00:56 PM
Hi monkeys.... we are just coming in from searching to get warmed up for a bit and then off to search another area that hasn't been searched yet..

I took the TES number to Kaitlin's mom and she called this morning and she was told that they will be here at 8:30 tomorrow morning... not sure where the other time came in, but does not matter... they are on the way and hopefully can help us find our baby.....everyone is very happy that they are on the way, this is a living nightmare....

Thanks to all my monkey friends who have prayed and thanks to Old Fart , the sheriffs office has ok'd for everyone to search today and is trying to keep track of who went into what woods so that no one else comes up missing....

Rob, if you are here the reason for no Amber Alert is KK did not fit the criteria... someone has to see the actual persons in the car before you can put out an amber alert....

I pray that Tim and his crew can find Kaitlin .... I will keep you all informed...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Artcolley on February 03, 2007, 02:01:16 PM
Quote from: "dkpen"
I want to know where Lewis wife disappeared too.



Me too. I hope she wasn't harmed by this guy.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Rob on February 03, 2007, 02:03:57 PM
Quote from: "dkpen"
I want to know where Lewis wife disappeared too.


is it possible she witnessed something and was 'disappeared' too?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: cubbeegirl on February 03, 2007, 02:04:13 PM
Quote from: "dkpen"
I want to know where Lewis wife disappeared too.




I have the answer to that one.... she went to the home of her minister , she is devastated to find out about her husbands past, I have learned even more criminal activity that is suspiciously not on his record......
she is also feeling sick with guilt that she brought this into KK's life...

However, I was told that when he came up to the house the night Kaitlin went missing with his face all scratched that she tried to brush the blood off of his face and asked him if he had gotten into a fight.... she denies this, but neighbors saw him and I believe them...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: mishy on February 03, 2007, 02:06:34 PM
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "Leslie"
From Amigoe
OM will not prosecute minister  
ORENJESTAD – The Aruban minister Ramon Lee of labour, Culture, and Sport (MEP) will not be indicted for rape, announced the Public Prosecutor (OM) close to noon.  
It appears that the alleged victim had already dropped the charges in a letter dated December 20th.  She did this, because she wants peace and quiet for herself and for her family.  On November 11th, she reported that she was forced to have intercourse with the minister in her home.  She says that dropping the charges doesn’t mean that she denies that it happened; neither will the OM stop the investigations.  The Justice department can still decide to prosecute, unless there is sufficient convincing evidence.  This is not the case here, said the OM.
Lee was interrogates twice as a suspect and admitted that he had intercourse with her, but that it was consensual.

It sounds more like she did this because they threatened her and her family.

I knew this was going to happen from day one.  They are all a bunch of rapists on that island.


Amazing. Just because they got to her doesnt' mean he shouldn't be indicted and asked to step down from his position! That place is a living Hell!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: cubbeegirl on February 03, 2007, 02:07:40 PM
Klaas, there will probably be coverage tonight on WBRZ .... they were talking with Kaitlins mom when I left there, she is sending out a plea to area businesses...it seems that last night a rumor was going around that her body had been found and alot of the flyers were taken down...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: mishy on February 03, 2007, 02:10:40 PM
Quote from: "cubbeegirl"
Klaas, there will probably be coverage tonight on WBRZ .... they were talking with Kaitlins mom when I left there, she is sending out a plea to area businesses...it seems that last night a rumor was going around that her body had been found and alot of the flyers were taken down...


OMG! You. are. KIDDING!!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Artcolley on February 03, 2007, 02:11:18 PM
Quote from: "cubbeegirl"
Quote from: "dkpen"
I want to know where Lewis wife disappeared too.




I have the answer to that one.... she went to the home of her minister , she is devastated to find out about her husbands past, I have learned even more criminal activity that is suspiciously not on his record......
she is also feeling sick with guilt that she brought this into KK's life...

However, I was told that when he came up to the house the night Kaitlin went missing with his face all scratched that she tried to brush the blood off of his face and asked him if he had gotten into a fight.... she denies this, but neighbors saw him and I believe them...



OH, Cubbee, HOw difficult this must be for you, and the parents of the little girl. :cry:

I can only imagine how upset that wife is, if, in fact, she knew nothing of his criminal past.

I kinda hope someone makes an "example" of this guy and perhaps deter another monster from something heinous like this.
The town square is always a good place for a hanging.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Artcolley on February 03, 2007, 02:12:15 PM
Quote from: "cubbeegirl"
Klaas, there will probably be coverage tonight on WBRZ .... they were talking with Kaitlins mom when I left there, she is sending out a plea to area businesses...it seems that last night a rumor was going around that her body had been found and alot of the flyers were taken down...



THat is horrid.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: mishy on February 03, 2007, 02:14:01 PM
Hey Artcolley. So good to see you back in the forum. You have been missed!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: klaasend on February 03, 2007, 02:14:20 PM
Cubbee - just got back from the store.  Red spoke with Tim Miller and said that Tim would be there tonight or late this afternoon 4-5pm.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Artcolley on February 03, 2007, 02:16:01 PM
Quote from: "mishy"
Hey Artcolley. So good to see you back in the forum. You have been missed!!


Good to see you too, Mishy!!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Artcolley on February 03, 2007, 02:17:51 PM
I sure wish Fox would have something about Kaitlin on today.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: cubbeegirl on February 03, 2007, 02:17:52 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Cubbee - just got back from the store.  Red spoke with Tim Miller and said that Tim would be there tonight or late this afternoon 4-5pm.



I will keep you posted,,, they told the mother 8:30 tomorrow morning, but maybe they just wanted to tell her later in case of problems along the way...they are so grateful to them.... I was sitting by her when she made the call and it just about tore my heart out.....


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: klaasend on February 03, 2007, 02:20:18 PM
Quote from: "cubbeegirl"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Cubbee - just got back from the store.  Red spoke with Tim Miller and said that Tim would be there tonight or late this afternoon 4-5pm.



I will keep you posted,,, they told the mother 8:30 tomorrow morning, but maybe they just wanted to tell her later in case of problems along the way...they are so grateful to them.... I was sitting by her when she made the call and it just about tore my heart out.....


{{HUGS}} Cubbee - did Mark Lewis's wife ever turn back up?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Rob on February 03, 2007, 02:20:40 PM
I just cant say enough about Tim Miller and TES.. they are angels from above.

I registered on their site in case they need people in my area last year.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: cubbeegirl on February 03, 2007, 02:22:09 PM
Quote from: "Artcolley"
I sure wish Fox would have something about Kaitlin on today.



Me too Art,I was pleased to see that the family was doing the right things. They had already contacted several agencies...Beyond Missing, Center for Missing and Exploited Children and a couple of others that I am just too numb to think of right now.... I think the reality is starting to set in for everyone around here as everyone is alot more emotional today....my son wants to help search, but I really dont want to chance him finding his friends body like that...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Artcolley on February 03, 2007, 02:25:57 PM
Quote from: "cubbeegirl"
Quote from: "Artcolley"
I sure wish Fox would have something about Kaitlin on today.



Me too Art,I was pleased to see that the family was doing the right things. They had already contacted several agencies...Beyond Missing, Center for Missing and Exploited Children and a couple of others that I am just too numb to think of right now.... I think the reality is starting to set in for everyone around here as everyone is alot more emotional today....my son wants to help search, but I really dont want to chance him finding his friends body like that...


Oh, yes, you are right to not let him search. That could/would traumatize him for the rest of his life. I also understand his desire to help, though, but as his Mom, you are right in being concerned about his emotional well being.

It is good to see the family is doing everything right.

I am praying that this little girl will be found alive and soon.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: cubbeegirl on February 03, 2007, 02:27:53 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "cubbeegirl"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Cubbee - just got back from the store.  Red spoke with Tim Miller and said that Tim would be there tonight or late this afternoon 4-5pm.



I will keep you posted,,, they told the mother 8:30 tomorrow morning, but maybe they just wanted to tell her later in case of problems along the way...they are so grateful to them.... I was sitting by her when she made the call and it just about tore my heart out.....


{{HUGS}} Cubbee - did Mark Lewis's wife ever turn back up?



Her minister took her home with him... word is that she is staying there...

It seems that Mark Lewis also was a local fire fighter several years ago who was setting fires and always being the first one to turn up at the fire.. there is nothing on his record about that though.....

He is being held without bond, so as long as no judge sets a bond for him they can hold him.... I do believe he is a guilty party here...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: klaasend on February 03, 2007, 02:29:19 PM
Quote from: "cubbeegirl"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "cubbeegirl"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Cubbee - just got back from the store.  Red spoke with Tim Miller and said that Tim would be there tonight or late this afternoon 4-5pm.



I will keep you posted,,, they told the mother 8:30 tomorrow morning, but maybe they just wanted to tell her later in case of problems along the way...they are so grateful to them.... I was sitting by her when she made the call and it just about tore my heart out.....


{{HUGS}} Cubbee - did Mark Lewis's wife ever turn back up?



Her minister took her home with him... word is that she is staying there...

It seems that Mark Lewis also was a local fire fighter several years ago who was setting fires and always being the first one to turn up at the fire.. there is nothing on his record about that though.....

He is being held without bond, so as long as no judge sets a bond for him they can hold him.... I do believe he is a guilty party here...


I agree and I wish he'd be a man and tell what he did with her  :twisted:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: cubbeegirl on February 03, 2007, 02:42:37 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "cubbeegirl"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "cubbeegirl"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Cubbee - just got back from the store.  Red spoke with Tim Miller and said that Tim would be there tonight or late this afternoon 4-5pm.



I will keep you posted,,, they told the mother 8:30 tomorrow morning, but maybe they just wanted to tell her later in case of problems along the way...they are so grateful to them.... I was sitting by her when she made the call and it just about tore my heart out.....


{{HUGS}} Cubbee - did Mark Lewis's wife ever turn back up?



Her minister took her home with him... word is that she is staying there...

It seems that Mark Lewis also was a local fire fighter several years ago who was setting fires and always being the first one to turn up at the fire.. there is nothing on his record about that though.....

He is being held without bond, so as long as no judge sets a bond for him they can hold him.... I do believe he is a guilty party here...


I agree and I wish he'd be a man and tell what he did with her  :twisted:



Me too and the more I hear about him the worse he sounds..


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: LilPuma on February 03, 2007, 02:44:59 PM
No where near caught up, but prayers for Kaitlin and her family.  Cubbee and Old Fart, you're the bestest!  Glad to hear Tim's on the case.  Wish sodium pentathol (sp?) were legal for these purposes.  

Peaches, I'm so glad to hear you're doing well.  My prayers will continue for Artcolley and all online friends, including monkeys and their families.  

brrrrrrrrrrr  very cold here.


Title: Good thoughts for Kaitlin
Post by: Jerry from Ohio on February 03, 2007, 02:47:57 PM
Quote from: "cubbeegirl"
Hi monkeys.... we are just coming in from searching to get warmed up for a bit and then off to search another area that hasn't been searched yet..

I took the TES number to Kaitlin's mom and she called this morning and she was told that they will be here at 8:30 tomorrow morning... not sure where the other time came in, but does not matter... they are on the way and hopefully can help us find our baby.....everyone is very happy that they are on the way, this is a living nightmare....

Thanks to all my monkey friends who have prayed and thanks to Old Fart , the sheriffs office has ok'd for everyone to search today and is trying to keep track of who went into what woods so that no one else comes up missing....

Rob, if you are here the reason for no Amber Alert is KK did not fit the criteria... someone has to see the actual persons in the car before you can put out an amber alert....

I pray that Tim and his crew can find Kaitlin .... I will keep you all informed...


  Lit cerimonial fire this AM and am sending up smoke to the great Sperit for his /Her help also ,
 a few neighbors that know about my native American beliefs came over to see what was wrong and when I explained a few of the more intelligent ones went home got dressed warm is 6 derees here in ohio and windy as heck and they returned a few even with others and we all prayed and sent up smoke in our own way for a safe conclusion to this missing child .

  SM even have strengths that we do not even realize yet
  Good work Cubbiee and Old Fart and all who are holding good thoughts for this child  
          Jerry


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Cat on February 03, 2007, 02:50:54 PM
He fits the profile of a sociopath.fires,etc.I knew a girl who was raped over and over again,by her father.no one listened,just an unhappy teen.Someone finaly listened and talked to him,so he killed her.You don't want bars,but a dog is good,about the only thing they are for,besides chasing me.I am so sick over this.Some of you will know what I am talking about,the 3 good college boys burning churches,killing animals,and we know the next step.CBB,I don't think you went far enough. CAT


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: cubbeegirl on February 03, 2007, 02:57:05 PM
I feel like Kaitlins little body may have been in his truck when he went to his friends house and asked him to be his alibi... the friend said that Lewis was standing by his truck with his door open talking to him and when the friend started to approach the truck he jumped in and slammed the door shut and started his truck up to leave in a hurry.....it hurts me to think this, but I feel that might be the case.... I also feel she may be found somewhere around the Head of Island area... he did not have alot of time in between when he left his friends and when he returned home and the blood was still wet on his face when he was there.....

The family stated that when he came home there were 3 or 4 people out in the yard,,, one of them his wife and he came over and asked what is going on? That is when she wiped his face off.. he then walked away after he heard that Kaitlin was missing and went into his house and never came out the whole evening to see if he could be of any help .... even though half of the neighborhood ended up out there....


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: mishy on February 03, 2007, 02:57:52 PM
Quote from: "Cat"
He fits the profile of a sociopath.fires,etc.I knew a girl who was raped over and over again,by her father.no one listened,just an unhappy teen.Someone finaly listened and talked to him,so he killed her.You don't want bars,but a dog is good,about the only thing they are for,besides chasing me.I am so sick over this.Some of you will know what I am talking about,the 3 good college boys burning churches,killing animals,and we know the next step.CBB,I don't think you went far enough. CAT


Cat...heartbreaking, absolutely heartwrenching about that girl who was raped and killed by her father. No one listened...those 3 words just break my heart  :cry:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Kat_Gram on February 03, 2007, 02:59:53 PM
This is very sad. My prayers are with this family.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: mishy on February 03, 2007, 03:02:04 PM
Quote from: "cubbeegirl"
I feel like Kaitlins little body may have been in his truck when he went to his friends house and asked him to be his alibi... the friend said that Lewis was standing by his truck with his door open talking to him and when the friend started to approach the truck he jumped in and slammed the door shut and started his truck up to leave in a hurry.....it hurts me to think this, but I feel that might be the case.... I also feel she may be found somewhere around the Head of Island area... he did not have alot of time in between when he left his friends and when he returned home and the blood was still wet on his face when he was there.....

The family stated that when he came home there were 3 or 4 people out in the yard,,, one of them his wife and he came over and asked what is going on? That is when she wiped his face off.. he then walked away after he heard that Kaitlin was missing and went into his house and never came out the whole evening to see if he could be of any help .... even though half of the neighborhood ended up out there....


I'm sure his wife never in a million years thought she was wiping away blood that Kaitlin herself had drawn when attempting to scratch this man's eyes out...Sounds like Joran walking away and not showing concern, not helping search...His actions with his friend, asking for an alibi (obviously he already knew she was missing) and closing the car door and driving off look more than suspicious. Make him look guilty as hell! I hope he never gets out of jail :x


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: IBE on February 03, 2007, 03:02:42 PM
Jerry from Ohio... are you the Jerry I was asking about last month that I hadn't seen your posts. are you the Jerry from Ohio that had the farm, tractors and used to ride the rodeo curcuit?

If not, hello anyway :lol:


Title: Hang tight
Post by: IBE on February 03, 2007, 03:04:44 PM
vBT will be looking for info from you if you find out what the technicality was that let him out and then we'll figure out how to get to the police or prosecutor or ??? does this across the nation... ie: get info out so this doesn't happen again.

Cubbee.. you hang tight! and watch your back side. Rob thanks. Old Fart, I owe you a prize tomato!

Angie and all I can't remember all of your names, for things are going so fast,... thanks[/b]

Mishy save up for an alarm system and have the alarms in the screens of windows you keep open and both screen doors and the doors.. if the window screen is cut or pulled out even a half inch the alarm goes off. You can carry things with you to trigger it if you are being followed or when the alarm company calls you have a code word that makes sense to the intruder but is a code to the company that you are in harms way, Also an alarm little thingie, like a small clicker, can be kept by the child's bed. This alarm sys. is not 100 % fail safe, but is a big deterrent, even if you fall or have a heart attack. (Of course, I don't have one now but had one for 16 years)

I like 4 legged dogs the best and a good husband. Remote control lighting is good inside and out... you can get the inside stuff to hook onto lamps from Radio Shack. You can always say "oh honey, I'll get the door or something like that" when there is no honey around.

Rob I have to go into inner city for meetings, but now were are having drivebys in good neighborhoods in daylight so the mayor is trying to crack down again on gangs... we have somewhere over 100000 ++ registered in LA not counting the surrounding cities who have their own gangs.

Our District volunteer area covers from Southgate on the east to Culver City on the west including Compton, INglewood, Watts, South Inner City... lots of square miles. All the individuals I volunteer with live in our District and are very good, hard working ladies. Some who have the money to live in richer areas just won't move and give the neighborhood to the hood anymore than it is! However, they do walk me to the car in the more Inner city areas.

There's a lot of hate here between groups and the gangs get initiation points if they kill or do really bad stuff. Some families have been in gangs here for generations. Our Legion Hall is rented out for the special 15 yr old birthday parites, weddings, aniversaries and after the funeral gatherings. Sometimes 1/2 the family will wear a "while hat" and the other part will be gang affliated, but are there for the family event.

The big fear is supposedly getting serious is that gang members have gone into the military lately and are coming out very well trained and using it back into the gangs and links to terriorism. Gads something else to be concerned with!

Sometimes I feel the need to move but don't know where, maybe am too old and like the warm weather... Falling in love would be another matter, tho.

But, a real wake up call for me was to go back home to Indiana after my mom died and go into a Walmart at night and see kids and adults drugged like we used to see on Venice Beach. And they wouldn't let me buy Sudafed there five years ago.
 :lol:

Monkeys do Good Work! and sometimes don't even know it!!


Title: Re: Good thoughts for Kaitlin
Post by: mishy on February 03, 2007, 03:07:01 PM
Quote from: "Jerry from Ohio"
Quote from: "cubbeegirl"
Hi monkeys.... we are just coming in from searching to get warmed up for a bit and then off to search another area that hasn't been searched yet..

I took the TES number to Kaitlin's mom and she called this morning and she was told that they will be here at 8:30 tomorrow morning... not sure where the other time came in, but does not matter... they are on the way and hopefully can help us find our baby.....everyone is very happy that they are on the way, this is a living nightmare....

Thanks to all my monkey friends who have prayed and thanks to Old Fart , the sheriffs office has ok'd for everyone to search today and is trying to keep track of who went into what woods so that no one else comes up missing....

Rob, if you are here the reason for no Amber Alert is KK did not fit the criteria... someone has to see the actual persons in the car before you can put out an amber alert....

I pray that Tim and his crew can find Kaitlin .... I will keep you all informed...


  Lit cerimonial fire this AM and am sending up smoke to the great Sperit for his /Her help also ,
 a few neighbors that know about my native American beliefs came over to see what was wrong and when I explained a few of the more intelligent ones went home got dressed warm is 6 derees here in ohio and windy as heck and they returned a few even with others and we all prayed and sent up smoke in our own way for a safe conclusion to this missing child .

  SM even have strengths that we do not even realize yet
  Good work Cubbiee and Old Fart and all who are holding good thoughts for this child  
          Jerry


I am part Cherokee Jerry. Thanks for the lighting the ceremonial fire, Jerry. Sounds like you have some nice, caring neighbors  :wink:


Title: A Real Man dosen't
Post by: Jerry from Ohio on February 03, 2007, 03:08:40 PM
Her minister took her home with him... word is that she is staying there...

It seems that Mark Lewis also was a local fire fighter several years ago who was setting fires and always being the first one to turn up at the fire.. there is nothing on his record about that though.....

He is being held without bond, so as long as no judge sets a bond for him they can hold him.... I do believe he is a guilty party here...[/quote]

I agree and I wish he'd be a man and tell what he did with her  :twisted:[/quote]

  Klaass,  I know and realize what you were saying  but  NO real man
  would ever think let alone do what these men have done
Harmed a child, a Woman or an Animal that is Never a thing a real man does .
  Men like this are cowards and scum who prey on the weak because they would be afraid to stand in front a REAL MAN because deep in their hearts they know what would happen .
  Men like the Kalpos the VDS's and now this man all are cowards inside no matter how big they are nor how tough they talk when confronted by real men they all break sooner or later .
    your friend from Ohio Jerry


Title: Re: Good thoughts for Kaitlin
Post by: cubbeegirl on February 03, 2007, 03:09:52 PM
Quote from: "mishy"
Quote from: "Jerry from Ohio"
Quote from: "cubbeegirl"
Hi monkeys.... we are just coming in from searching to get warmed up for a bit and then off to search another area that hasn't been searched yet..

I took the TES number to Kaitlin's mom and she called this morning and she was told that they will be here at 8:30 tomorrow morning... not sure where the other time came in, but does not matter... they are on the way and hopefully can help us find our baby.....everyone is very happy that they are on the way, this is a living nightmare....

Thanks to all my monkey friends who have prayed and thanks to Old Fart , the sheriffs office has ok'd for everyone to search today and is trying to keep track of who went into what woods so that no one else comes up missing....

Rob, if you are here the reason for no Amber Alert is KK did not fit the criteria... someone has to see the actual persons in the car before you can put out an amber alert....

I pray that Tim and his crew can find Kaitlin .... I will keep you all informed...


  Lit cerimonial fire this AM and am sending up smoke to the great Sperit for his /Her help also ,
 a few neighbors that know about my native American beliefs came over to see what was wrong and when I explained a few of the more intelligent ones went home got dressed warm is 6 derees here in ohio and windy as heck and they returned a few even with others and we all prayed and sent up smoke in our own way for a safe conclusion to this missing child .

  SM even have strengths that we do not even realize yet
  Good work Cubbiee and Old Fart and all who are holding good thoughts for this child  
          Jerry


I am part Cherokee Jerry. Thanks for the lighting the ceremonial fire, Jerry. Sounds like you have some nice, caring neighbors  :wink:



Thanks Jerry, your post touched my heart..

I cannot sit still so am going back out to wander around and see if there is anything I can do.....will keep you all posted...
Once again thanks for all the special monkey prayers and good wishes


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: cubbeegirl on February 03, 2007, 03:13:58 PM
Quote from: "mishy"
Quote from: "cubbeegirl"
I feel like Kaitlins little body may have been in his truck when he went to his friends house and asked him to be his alibi... the friend said that Lewis was standing by his truck with his door open talking to him and when the friend started to approach the truck he jumped in and slammed the door shut and started his truck up to leave in a hurry.....it hurts me to think this, but I feel that might be the case.... I also feel she may be found somewhere around the Head of Island area... he did not have alot of time in between when he left his friends and when he returned home and the blood was still wet on his face when he was there.....

The family stated that when he came home there were 3 or 4 people out in the yard,,, one of them his wife and he came over and asked what is going on? That is when she wiped his face off.. he then walked away after he heard that Kaitlin was missing and went into his house and never came out the whole evening to see if he could be of any help .... even though half of the neighborhood ended up out there....


I'm sure his wife never in a million years thought she was wiping away blood that Kaitlin herself had drawn when attempting to scratch this man's eyes out...Sounds like Joran walking away and not showing concern, not helping search...His actions with his friend, asking for an alibi (obviously he already knew she was missing) and closing the car door and driving off look more than suspicious. Make him look guilty as hell! I hope he never gets out of jail :x



I agree Mishy, I think he planned this, he lived in her back yard and she was a young tomboy when he moved there and he watched her turn into a young lady before his eyes, and his sick mind wanted her so he watched and plotted.. he even called in sick to work the day she went missing.... :twisted:


Title: Jerry from Ohio? yup that's me
Post by: Jerry from Ohio on February 03, 2007, 03:19:37 PM
Quote from: IBE
Jerry from Ohio... are you the Jerry I was asking about last month that I hadn't seen your posts. are you the Jerry from Ohio that had the farm, tractors and used to ride the rodeo curcuit?

If not, hello anyway :lol:[/quote

  Yup IBE  That sounds just about right it is me LOL  
  I was off line for about 3 months because of some things going on here in my life but am back and am so Happy to be  like someone else had said and please excuse me  but i for get who  but  SM is sort of like a family and with People like Klaass Red Tom and all you others  (tOO many TO REMEMBER OR LIST you are like family to me .
 (((((((((( SM ))))))))))  group hug  hope all is well with you IBE .
                                                          Jerry from Ohio


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: IBE on February 03, 2007, 03:24:11 PM
Cubeegirl

Do Good Works but try not to let your guard down... he, heaven forbid, might not have done this or not been alone.

Your gut feeling may be right on the location and timing.. I am sure you have learned to travel in pairs when searching or have a dog and a cell phone.

when the timing is right and your heart will tell you, for your heart is good, please let the family know that there are people here on the blog covering all of the US and other countries praying for their daughter. you and others there.


Title: TV coverage
Post by: IBE on February 03, 2007, 03:29:02 PM
Good Monkeys

Who is the lady on Fox or another network on the weekends who has a really good show on Sat. and Sun. and has featured Natalee?? in the past? She's a very smart interviewer.

Maybe a few emails are in order ASAP to those who have weekend shows to have them cover Cubee's friend and the missing girls in PA?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: IBE on February 03, 2007, 03:32:17 PM
Am 1/16 Indian too along with other things :lol:  :lol:


Title: Re: TV coverage
Post by: klaasend on February 03, 2007, 03:32:22 PM
Quote from: "IBE"
Good Monkeys

Who is the lady on Fox or another network on the weekends who has a really good show on Sat. and Sun. and has featured Natalee?? in the past? She's a very smart interviewer.

Maybe a few emails are in order ASAP to those who have weekend shows to have them cover Cubee's friend and the missing girls in PA?


Kimberly Guilfoyle

http://www.foxnews.com/thelineup/


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: IBE on February 03, 2007, 03:36:03 PM
Thanks Klaas who else should be email... how about the ones who have cable shows on Monday like Hannity and Combs, OReilly, Greta and Nancy Grace...

think we should rally around the email brigade?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: klaasend on February 03, 2007, 03:38:32 PM
Quote from: "IBE"
Thanks Klaas who else should be email... how about the ones who have cable shows on Monday like Hannity and Combs, OReilly, Greta and Nancy Grace...

think we should rally around the email brigade?


EMAIL contacts for all of them here:

http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?t=468


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on February 03, 2007, 03:48:49 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "IBE"
Thanks Klaas who else should be email... how about the ones who have cable shows on Monday like Hannity and Combs, OReilly, Greta and Nancy Grace...

think we should rally around the email brigade?


EMAIL contacts for all of them here:

http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?t=468


Okay, emails sent to all of the big networks.  I sent to CNN, as well as, MSNBC.  Fox too, of course.  What do I need to do next?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: klaasend on February 03, 2007, 03:56:39 PM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "IBE"
Thanks Klaas who else should be email... how about the ones who have cable shows on Monday like Hannity and Combs, OReilly, Greta and Nancy Grace...

think we should rally around the email brigade?


EMAIL contacts for all of them here:

http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?t=468


Okay, emails sent to all of the big networks.  I sent to CNN, as well as, MSNBC.  Fox too, of course.  What do I need to do next?


Pray


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on February 03, 2007, 04:05:07 PM
Klaas
You know I did that first. :wink:

Once again, I am truly amazed at the monkey family.  That is the right word...FAMILY...kudos to Cubbie, Rob, Angie, Klaas, and Old Fart for taking action...

That's how we change the world...one person at a time.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Cat on February 03, 2007, 04:05:15 PM
I am part Cherokee too,Jerry.Remember,it is a good day to live and a good day to die.Yes,you all have expressed my feeling about this scum and the demons in aruba posing as human.CAT


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: mishy on February 03, 2007, 04:06:43 PM
Ibe said:
Mishy save up for an alarm system and have the alarms in the screens of windows you keep open and both screen doors and the doors.. if the window screen is cut or pulled out even a half inch the alarm goes off. You can carry things with you to trigger it if you are being followed or when the alarm company calls you have a code word that makes sense to the intruder but is a code to the company that you are in harms way, Also an alarm little thingie, like a small clicker, can be kept by the child's bed. This alarm sys. is not 100 % fail safe, but is a big deterrent, even if you fall or have a heart attack. (Of course, I don't have one now but had one for 16 years)

I like 4 legged dogs the best and a good husband. Remote control lighting is good inside and out... you can get the inside stuff to hook onto lamps from Radio Shack. You can always say "oh honey, I'll get the door or something like that" when there is no honey around.


Ibe, thank you. An alarm system sounds good. I've been wanting to get one for quite some time....I really need to price them...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: dkpen on February 03, 2007, 04:28:35 PM
Klaas,

Maybe Dana Pretzer could do a show about this tonight or tomorrow night? Have Red on the show for updates, Red might be able to speak with Tim/TES and report what is going on? Just a suggestion, and maybe speak about the 14month old baby whose father committed such a horrid crime to his own child then his own confession tossed out. Maybe have someone on that is a child advocate or from missing and exploited to interview about all the children or females?


Cubbee, is there anything else we can do? Anything at all? Can we send Kaitlins mother anything to help? Or send to you? I just feel so hopless not being there to help search.
Is there any place around there or within 10 miles that has a lot of sand with very green shrubs?
I have such a heavy feeling in my gut and heart. I've been saying prayers non stop since last night for Kaitlin.
Hug Kaitlins mother for us Monkeys and please let her know we are here for her and if we can do anything please just ask.

God bless~


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Katysmom on February 03, 2007, 04:32:37 PM
Hi monkeys!  I have been following this sad event since last night when I first read about it here.  I am literally sick to my stomach.  When is this going to end?  What is wrong with our lawmakers, not to mention our fellow human beings?  I have never been an advocate of vigilante justice, but, my God, somethings got to be done to stop these people who are hurting our children.  My heart and prayers go out to this little girls family.  If there is anything I can do, please, please, let me know.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on February 03, 2007, 04:35:09 PM
I have been reading back and am so proud of all that the monkeys have done to help Cubbee and this dear little girl.  My prayers go out to her and all her family.  It just shows what can be done when people work together even though you are all many miles apart.  The internet can be a wonderful tool for good as well as the opposite.  It would be nice to know there was an Aussie monkey group to work the same way for missing persons etc.  

Jerry - we have had visiting Indian chiefs here and I have been to some of their ceremonies and it was a very spiritual experience.

Keep up the good work monkey friends.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: dkpen on February 03, 2007, 04:39:53 PM
I lit incense and a candle so that it can guide and light Kaitlins way home. I said a prayer as well.

I feel soon we will learn the truth from Lewis. He has no shame but only fear for himself. He's a scared little mouse who preys on the weak. God will take care of him. He is evil.

Keeping Kaitlin and mother, cubbee and all monkeys in my thoughts and prayers.


God bless~


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: klaasend on February 03, 2007, 04:45:54 PM
DKpen - don't worry, Red and Tim are already planning on an update/show.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: klaasend on February 03, 2007, 04:49:18 PM
REMINDER TO ALL - Red and Tom also have the Missing and Exploited Blog they update.  Red works very closely with Tim Miller and the families of missing people:

http://www.missingexploited.com/


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Rob on February 03, 2007, 04:59:05 PM
Nya Miangel Page - Still missing as of 2:30 pm

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/NyaMiangelPage.jpg)

that middle name is so cute


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on February 03, 2007, 05:05:05 PM
Afternoon Monkeys........reading and catching up. I am sorry to hear there is
no word yet about Kaitlin, but am glad to hear that the search is strong and that Tim has been in contact. I hope LE in LA can get a confession out of the
creep as to where he may have stashed her. I still hold out hope that maybe his time frame was narrow enough that he may have her somewhere alive. Forgive me if i slip and spell young Kaitlin's name wrong......my 16 year old's
name is spelled Caitlin.


Title: Emails
Post by: IBE on February 03, 2007, 05:18:34 PM
Lala's Mom

Glad you Shango-ed over to cnn. I had the darnest time finding an email for Nancy Grace, but I did all the Fox, MSNBC ones listed.

It' the early bird of them who gets the worm! or if they choose not to pay attentions it's a big loss for us all.

Rob... I didn't know you could register at TES... I'd like to but I live in a city.

Here's the email I sent out: Really didn't know exacly what to say

Subject line:
Developing story missing girl TES search team+ suspect

Thank you for your fine covering for Natalee Holloway.
I wished you to have a heads up on this: it's happening now

It has just been announced on Scared Monkeys from one of the bloggers being a friend of the one who is missing that another blogger and she have arranged via the family to have TES ( the Texas search group) to immediately come into the city to look for the missing girl. This was set up in a matter of an hour or so by those blogging on scaredmonkeys.net and we'd like you to know for your show.

They should be arriving about 4pm est in French Quarter, LA.

The man who is suspected had blood on his face that his wife wiped off, he had gone to friends and asked for an alibi for a 1/2 hour, was in a hurry to get into his truck and his wife is now at the ministers, not ever being aware of her husband's criminal past.

Lived in a trailer behind the girl and watched her grow into a young lady.

The terrible story unfolding on the Scared Monkeys.net blog starting about 5 pm last night, around page 5 or 6 and I think you would find it quite interesting to see how it evolved and is being update by a friend at the site. Good background material, but of course needs to be checked out.

Please cover this story on your program.

Thank you for all you have done for finding justice for Natalee

Thank you in advance

IBE

Next??? let's think of more avenues and  Keep Praying been told it moves mountains.

oh Rob Miangel Page is so pretty. What can we do to help? Write emails for her story to be covered too? Never could understand why some who love children don't have them and some who have them don't love them or want to harm them.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Rob on February 03, 2007, 05:21:36 PM
IBE- just thought Id share something kind of ironic about the gangs here.

We had the Crips and Bloods, but we also had a gang called the L.A.W.
Lincoln Avenue Wilkinsburg. They killed off both the Crips and the Bloods. I know that sounds hard to believe, but its true. The entire LAW gang is either in jail or dead. So the large gangs are not the problem as the killed each other off, but we do have alotta smaller gangs and just some plain ole stupid individuals that like to shoot people for no reason.

The LAW gang was headed by two brothers named Cabbagestalk.. (funny name huh)... these guys killed prolly about 50 people each themselves not to mention all the others in the LAW gang that killed on their orders.


Title: Missing girl
Post by: IBE on February 03, 2007, 05:23:10 PM
Rob, are the local channels covering it? Is there a tip line? Is there a reward? What can we do to help you and to help her and her family?

Update me on the name of the city again and time she went missing, please.


Title: Ironic
Post by: IBE on February 03, 2007, 05:29:18 PM
Rob, how ironic, but it happens. The trouble they kill innocent ones who don't show the hand signs that they belong in a gang and kill younsters who are in the yard with the ones not in a gang

There are certain colors I don't wear at night,, that is why white t=shirts and black baggie pants are kind of in. (i don't wear that, but many of the Blacks, Latinos do here... can't tell what's in the pants) Public schools have turned to uniforms to the children so they won't be confused with different gangs.

I like for all of them to do each other in and what is left over send to war and have our military come home... let them feel someone else's tuff and a real baddie war.


Title: Show update
Post by: IBE on February 03, 2007, 05:32:15 PM
Klaas, I am in information and tears overload here... has a time been set for the show. I'd be glad to miss the game tomorrow if we can help in some way

At least the wi-fi downtown won't be busy :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on February 03, 2007, 05:33:09 PM
Evening peoples..
  Caught up reading  (worked all day :(  )
Just wanted to say TY to all for the kind posts. Cubbee did email me and said her phone was broke.,and shes going out today to get a new one.
So I did have the right number..  (sighhhhhhhh)
Prayers for Kaitin and the poor baby girl missing from  Braddock. I am hoping it was a family member who took the baby and is taking care of her. An Amber alert was ussied over the lottery machine.. (yes lottery throws out Amber alerts. I made some copies of the info and posted them around the store. I do hope and pray the little baby is safe. As Rob said Braddock is a horrible place and Walkinsburg Area.  Sighhhhhh


Title: Re: Missing girl
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on February 03, 2007, 05:34:41 PM
Quote from: "IBE"
Rob, are the local channels covering it? Is there a tip line? Is there a reward? What can we do to help you and to help her and her family?

Update me on the name of the city again and time she went missing, please.


  IBE.. its Braddock PA.. I have my tc on.. News wont be on til 6.. or maybe later. There is a basketball game on now on the station the airs our local news. I havnt been home all day to see the tv. so I am sure they will talk about it this evening.


Title: Re: Show update
Post by: klaasend on February 03, 2007, 05:35:35 PM
Quote from: "IBE"
Klaas, I am in information and tears overload here... has a time been set for the show. I'd be glad to miss the game tomorrow if we can help in some way

At least the wi-fi downtown won't be busy :lol:

IBE - My guess is we will set it up as a YouTube video.  It will be available to watch at any time.  I do not believe anything will be ready until tomorrow as Tim is just getting to the location this evening.  But that's just my guess.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Rob on February 03, 2007, 05:36:50 PM
IBE- Im not sure we can do anything to help just yet. The family's name has not been revealed other than the last name 'Page'. That could just be the name of the father, and Im not sure he even lives with them. Very little about the family dynamics have been revealed.

Right now the police are combing the area for the little girl in a two block radius, but have come up empty. Once they clear the family members, maybe we can do more.

I live in the city too- about 6 miles from downtown Pittsburgh, but the reason I signed up was in case they need me in a couple of hundred mile radius I ll be available for them.

Last summer we had a case where TES could have been used, unfortunately the girl was found raped and dead, and good police work got the person that killed her within about two or three days. She was found buried on the property where the guy worked along with her ATV.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Rob on February 03, 2007, 05:41:31 PM
Angie- FOX (National) did a Amber Alert on her while you were at work. I thought it was gonna be Kaitlin, and was surprised it was the lil girl here.

and they broke in on Comcrap a few times today.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on February 03, 2007, 05:44:30 PM
Quote from: "Rob"
Angie- FOX (National) did a Amber Alert on her while you were at work. I thought it was gonna be Kaitlin, and was surprised it was the lil girl here.

and they broke in on Comcrap a few times today.


 Glad it was issued on FOX..and Comcrap  lol
Prayers for her safe return.  Hope there is something on WTAE..
Also no new news about Arley Earhart either  :(


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: SunFreak2 on February 03, 2007, 05:56:34 PM
Quote from: "Rob"
Angie- FOX (National) did a Amber Alert on her while you were at work. I thought it was gonna be Kaitlin, and was surprised it was the lil girl here.

and they broke in on Comcrap a few times today.


My heart is so heavy for the families of Kaitlyn and MiAngel.  They must be so numb with fear.  I do hope they have a strong faith in the God of their choosing.

Have any funds been set up for either family? Are Beth and Dave aware of these 2 families? Even a phone call from Beth or Dave might be comforting to the family.

I feel like jumping in the truck and driving to LA to help search.  I feel helpless.  I can only imagine how the families feel.  I will keep them in my prayers.  And would be glad to send some money if a fund is set up.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: IBE on February 03, 2007, 05:58:38 PM
two blocks isn't wide enough unless they have a concrete tip.

i still remember Beth's gut feeling as a mom...

gut feelings are so important. Sorry, want to have a good feeling about Cubee's friend.. just too many icky facts popping up, too close, too convenient, too close of a time line; too trusting to her,  someone no one knew about.

But we must remember Elizabeth Smart!!  and the boys in MO!!! and keep the faith. It just took one tip in MO.

I'd sure like to hang some really meanies and it wouldn't be my the neck...opps I'll get banned. and not the fingers either :lol: Toes, oh sure :roll:

Anything on cable yet??? Opps don't have the TV plugged in.. been on this blog since midnight.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on February 03, 2007, 05:58:42 PM
Local news coming on now.. rob if you are stil on can you help me out incase I miss something?

So far they said Abber alert for a missing child. parents found her bed empty..  went to commerical now.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on February 03, 2007, 06:03:13 PM
News back on:

toddler missing.. frantic search and frigthened family.. and all out Amber Alert is out..

Amber Alert remaind in effect..
Famiy is beside themself.. they have a command post in Braddok.. POLICE given up on the nieghborhood search.. shes shares a bedroom with her 6 yr old brother.. he woke up at 7:30 am and brother told the parents she wasnt there.
  Parents questioned. NO forced entry..  dont know if she may have walked away.   4 adults in the house.. mom and dad and granda and grandmas BF and cousin being quetioned..  They arnt considred supsects.. just beeding more info from them.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on February 03, 2007, 06:04:45 PM
Sorry for the typos.. was typing as fast as I could  :(


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Rob on February 03, 2007, 06:05:31 PM
ok.. four people cleared. 3 still being considered. grandmothers boyfriend, father, and a nephew.

NONE are considered suspects now.

Police have set up a command center on 2nd avenue.

All abandoned homes in a 2 miles radius have been cleared.

Police are very serious about finding this girl right now, not later. All that can be done is being done.


Title: YouTube
Post by: IBE on February 03, 2007, 06:13:14 PM
Klaas, is a YouTube video format the same as any other video or is it the one where you have to have only Windows?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on February 03, 2007, 06:15:45 PM
IBE

I had to search around for quite a while to get to the email Nancy Grace page.  They don't make things easy on that site.  Thanks for helping me every single email counts in getting their attention.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on February 03, 2007, 06:16:22 PM
Prayers for the baby and her family :(  I hope she is ok and didnt wonder off.. it was bitter cold in our area last night/this morning.
Its getting worse.. 4 degrees tonight with a windchill of 10 to 20 below Zero..  (dang thats COLD!).. Plus snow as well and gusty winds. :(


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: klaasend on February 03, 2007, 06:17:24 PM
Thanks Mere for sending me the map.

Here is a map of where the French Settlement area is and also where Head of Island is in relation to it:


(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/FrenchSettlementcopy.jpg)

This is an example of the area near Kaitlin's home that they are searching:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/LAWoodedAreacopy.jpg)


Title: Re: YouTube
Post by: klaasend on February 03, 2007, 06:19:54 PM
Quote from: "IBE"
Klaas, is a YouTube video format the same as any other video or is it the one where you have to have only Windows?


IBE - go here and try to open one of the videos.  When it's done it will be linked to the front page of SM:

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=scaredmonkeys


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on February 03, 2007, 06:31:35 PM
Klaas.. you have done a great job with the videos. I posted that somewhere on one of the front pages a few days ago..lol
(can you send some sun here to PA? lol)

Lalas. if you are still on.. did lil Lalas give you a message last night?
:wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Rob on February 03, 2007, 06:31:37 PM
Id be glad to do an Earth Google Map for the board and post it.

Need Kaitlin's address.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Kat_Gram on February 03, 2007, 06:41:30 PM
Quote from: "mishy"
Ibe said:
Mishy save up for an alarm system and have the alarms in the screens of windows you keep open and both screen doors and the doors.. if the window screen is cut or pulled out even a half inch the alarm goes off. You can carry things with you to trigger it if you are being followed or when the alarm company calls you have a code word that makes sense to the intruder but is a code to the company that you are in harms way, Also an alarm little thingie, like a small clicker, can be kept by the child's bed. This alarm sys. is not 100 % fail safe, but is a big deterrent, even if you fall or have a heart attack. (Of course, I don't have one now but had one for 16 years)

I like 4 legged dogs the best and a good husband. Remote control lighting is good inside and out... you can get the inside stuff to hook onto lamps from Radio Shack. You can always say "oh honey, I'll get the door or something like that" when there is no honey around.


Ibe, thank you. An alarm system sounds good. I've been wanting to get one for quite some time....I really need to price them...

When I got my alarm system, the ppl here asked if I wanted to pay for it in one lump or on monthlies. I paid for it in one, but the 20.00 a month for the service is quite reasonable. Even if it's just for peace of mind, it is worth it.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: klaasend on February 03, 2007, 06:43:51 PM
Quote from: "Rob"
Id be glad to do an Earth Google Map for the board and post it.

Need Kaitlin's address.

Rob - I tried a google earth but it doesn't show alot.  Too many trees.  Mark Lewis's address is in one of the articles.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on February 03, 2007, 06:54:57 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Rob"
Id be glad to do an Earth Google Map for the board and post it.

Need Kaitlin's address.

Rob - I tried a google earth but it doesn't show alot.  Too many trees.  Mark Lewis's address is in one of the articles.


Lewis, of 18219 Aydell Lane, French Settlement,


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Rob on February 03, 2007, 06:58:33 PM
(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/FrenchSettlement3.jpg)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Rob on February 03, 2007, 07:02:10 PM
(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/FrenchSettlement4.jpg)


Title: Body found in Gonzales......
Post by: nomad on February 03, 2007, 07:04:23 PM
Dearest Monkeys,

I am very sad and upset to post this.  I just clicked on the WAFB site and the following was posted there as breaking news:

A body has been found near Gonzales. The body is believed to be that of missing 13-year-old Kaitlin Aydell, who has been missing since Thursday afternoon. 9News will have more information on this developing story at 6 p.m.

Here is the link:
http://www.wafb.com/Global/story.asp?S=6033935

If this is indeed accurate, I am sooooo sorry and send prayers to her family and Cubbee.

With love and prayers to all....Nomad


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: klaasend on February 03, 2007, 07:08:07 PM
Nomad - thank you for posting.  So very sad.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: klaasend on February 03, 2007, 07:14:10 PM
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/BodyFoundcopy.jpg)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Rob on February 03, 2007, 07:15:12 PM
(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/Gonzales1.jpg)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: LilPuma on February 03, 2007, 07:15:30 PM
I've been listening to the news but haven't heard anything about Kaitlin.  This is so very sad.  Cubbee, you and your friends will be in our prayers, as you know.  I'm feeling like I want to cry and I wasn't even around last night to read and be involved in this.  So very very sad.  

Two planes collided in San Pedro, CA.  Small ones, no word on casualties.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on February 03, 2007, 07:16:22 PM
:(  Ty Nomad..   Prayers sent out to Kaitlins family and friends and Cubbee..     Terribly sad.. what a monster! Hope he rots in freaking hell the bastard.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: nomad on February 03, 2007, 07:17:32 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Nomad - thank you for posting.  So very sad.


Oh Klaasend, you're welcome. I only wish to God it had been good news. I am so upset.  Such a dear young girl.  I had shown her picture to my husband earlier.  It is just so sad.  I am in tears.  The longer I live, the more I ask why. These times we live in do try one's soul.

Bless you for all you do.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: msmarple on February 03, 2007, 07:18:15 PM
http://www.2theadvocate.com/news/ascension/5545321.html

ST. AMANT — Livingston Parish sheriff’s investigators searching for a 13-year-old French Settlement girl missing since Thursday afternoon arrived at a rural location in Ascension Parish Saturday evening to examine a dead body.

The Ascension Parish Sheriff’s Office located the body Saturday afternoon alongside New River Road about 100 yards off La. 936 in St. Amant, authorities said.

The Ascension Sheriff’s Office notified Livingston Parish investigators they had located the body, the Livingston Parish Sheriff’s Office reported Saturday afternoon.

As of 5 p.m. Saturday Livingston authorities declined to provide information on the body’s gender or race, but confirmed hey had sent sheriff’s investigators to Ascension Parish to check out the report.

Livingston deputies, French Settlement police, volunteers and other community members have been searching since Thursday evening for missing 13-year-old Kaitlin Aydell of French Settlement.

Aydell disappeared after getting off a school bus Thursday afternoon at her residence in French Settlement.

Livingston deputies arrested Mark Sterling Lewis, 39, a relative by marriage of the missing girl, and booked him with obstruction of justice for giving false information to authorities who questioned him early Friday about the seventh-graders whereabouts.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: LilPuma on February 03, 2007, 07:19:43 PM
Makes me think of that movie, Escape from NY or something where they put all the criminals in some walled city to fend for themselves.  I want to do that with people who prey on the small and weak, whether children, women, homeless or animals.  Put them in a walled city and let them eat each other.   :evil:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on February 03, 2007, 07:22:04 PM
Quote from: "LilPuma"
Makes me think of that movie, Escape from NY or something where they put all the criminals in some walled city to fend for themselves.  I want to do that with people who prey on the small and weak, whether children, women, homeless or animals.  Put them in a walled city and let them eat each other.   :evil:


 I couldn't agree with you more LilPuma..


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Rob on February 03, 2007, 07:23:01 PM
I held out a small amount of hope here, but knew the odds. God Bless Kaitlin and her Family.

This is in God's hands now.

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/praying1.gif)


Psalm 23

A Psalm by David.

23:1 Yahweh is my shepherd:
    I shall lack nothing.
23:2 He makes me lie down in green pastures.
    He leads me beside still waters.
23:3 He restores my soul.
    He guides me in the paths of righteousness for his name’s sake.
23:4 Even though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death,
    I will fear no evil, for you are with me.
    Your rod and your staff, they comfort me.
23:5 You prepare a table before me in the presence of my enemies.
You anoint my head with oil.
    My cup runs over.
23:6 Surely goodness and loving kindness shall follow me all the days of my life,
    and I will dwell in Yahweh’s house forever.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: nomad on February 03, 2007, 07:23:40 PM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
:(  Ty Nomad..   Prayers sent out to Kaitlins family and friends and Cubbee..     Terribly sad.. what a monster! Hope he rots in freaking hell the bastard.


Hi Angie!  Nice to see you.  Am only sorry under these circumstances.  This is truly sad, and has really hit me hard.  I was sick when I read the breaking news and didn't want to post it.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: IBE on February 03, 2007, 07:26:05 PM
Is the info confirmed for sure?[/i]


Title: Re: Body found in Gonzales......
Post by: mishy on February 03, 2007, 07:26:29 PM
Quote from: "nomad"
Dearest Monkeys,

I am very sad and upset to post this.  I just clicked on the WAFB site and the following was posted there as breaking news:

A body has been found near Gonzales. The body is believed to be that of missing 13-year-old Kaitlin Aydell, who has been missing since Thursday afternoon. 9News will have more information on this developing story at 6 p.m.

Here is the link:
http://www.wafb.com/Global/story.asp?S=6033935

If this is indeed accurate, I am sooooo sorry and send prayers to her family and Cubbee.

With love and prayers to all....Nomad


 :cry:  :cry:  :cry:  :cry:  :cry:  :cry:  :cry:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: klaasend on February 03, 2007, 07:27:02 PM
Quote from: "IBE"
Is the info confirmed for sure?[/i]


Not confirmed but likely her.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: nomad on February 03, 2007, 07:28:05 PM
Quote from: "Rob"
I held out a small amount of hope here, but knew the odds. God Bless Kaitlin and her Family.

This is in God's hands now.

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/praying1.gif)


Psalm 23

A Psalm by David.

23:1 Yahweh is my shepherd:
    I shall lack nothing.
23:2 He makes me lie down in green pastures.
    He leads me beside still waters.
23:3 He restores my soul.
    He guides me in the paths of righteousness for his name’s sake.
23:4 Even though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death,
    I will fear no evil, for you are with me.
    Your rod and your staff, they comfort me.
23:5 You prepare a table before me in the presence of my enemies.
You anoint my head with oil.
    My cup runs over.
23:6 Surely goodness and loving kindness shall follow me all the days of my life,
    and I will dwell in Yahweh’s house forever.



Thank you for this, Rob!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on February 03, 2007, 07:28:40 PM
Quote from: "nomad"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
:(  Ty Nomad..   Prayers sent out to Kaitlins family and friends and Cubbee..     Terribly sad.. what a monster! Hope he rots in freaking hell the bastard.


Hi Angie!  Nice to see you.  Am only sorry under these circumstances.  This is truly sad, and has really hit me hard.  I was sick when I read the breaking news and didn't want to post it.

 

Nice to see you as well honey.. TY for posting the info.. been waiting to hear news or get an email from Cubee before you posted the news.
  I am sick to my gut.. this poor child, her mother. OMG. I cant imagine.. shes all she had.  :(  
 
Rob. nice post.. sighhh


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: msmarple on February 03, 2007, 07:29:30 PM
http://www.2theadvocate.com/news/ascension/5545321.html

ST. AMANT — Ascension Parish Sheriff Jeff Wiley said the body found Saturday off La. 936 at St. Amant is that of a young white girl.

Livingston Parish sheriff’s investigators searching for a 13-year-old French Settlement girl missing since Thursday afternoon arrived at the location in Ascension Parish Saturday evening to examine the body.

Wiley said that two men who had volunteered to help search for 13-year-old Kaitlin Aydell of French Settlement noticed some disturbed leaves and vegetation in a small bayou. On closer inspection, they found the body, the sheriff said.

The girl’s body was found in the water alongside New River Road about 100 yards off La. 936 in St. Amant, Wiley said.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: mishy on February 03, 2007, 07:30:51 PM
Why why why????


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: yapperz1 on February 03, 2007, 07:30:55 PM
Hiya Monkeys. I am sick over this beautiful child.
Here is a link to the area the body was found in


http://tinyurl.com/yw9skm


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on February 03, 2007, 07:31:24 PM
MsMarples   :(


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on February 03, 2007, 07:33:54 PM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "LilPuma"
Makes me think of that movie, Escape from NY or something where they put all the criminals in some walled city to fend for themselves.  I want to do that with people who prey on the small and weak, whether children, women, homeless or animals.  Put them in a walled city and let them eat each other.   :evil:


 I couldn't agree with you more LilPuma..


Me too.  And if there is a last one left standing shoot the creature.  They are sub-human.   Why are there so many of these crimes against children.
We are supposed to be here on Earth as caretakers for our children and the animals, and this is the way they get treated.  Go back to capital punishment and if the upholders of the law cannot carry out their duties properly prosecute them too.  They are no better than the criminals  IMO


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on February 03, 2007, 07:35:25 PM
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "LilPuma"
Makes me think of that movie, Escape from NY or something where they put all the criminals in some walled city to fend for themselves.  I want to do that with people who prey on the small and weak, whether children, women, homeless or animals.  Put them in a walled city and let them eat each other.   :evil:


 I couldn't agree with you more LilPuma..


Me too.  And if there is a last one left standing shoot the creature.  They are sub-human.   Why are there so many of these crimes against children.
We are supposed to be here on Earth as caretakers for our children and the animals, and this is the way they get treated.  Go back to capital punishment and if the upholders of the law cannot carry out their duties properly prosecute them too.  They are no better than the criminals  IMO


Amen to that Tibro.. too many creeps left out of jail only to strike again.
I also believe in capital punishment..


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: nomad on February 03, 2007, 07:37:36 PM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "nomad"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
:(  Ty Nomad..   Prayers sent out to Kaitlins family and friends and Cubbee..     Terribly sad.. what a monster! Hope he rots in freaking hell the bastard.


Hi Angie!  Nice to see you.  Am only sorry under these circumstances.  This is truly sad, and has really hit me hard.  I was sick when I read the breaking news and didn't want to post it.

 

Nice to see you as well honey.. TY for posting the info.. been waiting to hear news or get an email from Cubee before you posted the news.
  I am sick to my gut.. this poor child, her mother. OMG. I cant imagine.. shes all she had.  :(  
 
Rob. nice post.. sighhh


I hope you are well, Angie.  The time passes by so quickly.  Gosh, I looked at my post and realized just how long I'd been away.

The worst thing for any parent is to lose a child. I can't imagine the devastation and loss.  Part of you, torn away!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on February 03, 2007, 07:37:58 PM
Oh no.........I was just checking in to see if there was any news on Kaitlin.

What a tragedy. It's like the slaughter of the innocents.

 Prayers for her family.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on February 03, 2007, 07:38:12 PM
Maybe there is something we all can do to help. Cubbee can let us know if the family may need $$ for anything. I can email her. Not volunterring anyone to do to anything.. but want to try to do something to help out.
:(


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: msmarple on February 03, 2007, 07:38:35 PM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
MsMarples   :(


I know.

Sometimes I wonder how so many manage to survive ...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: klaasend on February 03, 2007, 07:38:48 PM
From what I can tell, it appears the body was found approx 15 miles from Kaitlin's home.


Title: Tiny url
Post by: IBE on February 03, 2007, 07:40:52 PM
Am using 2 browsers.. am I the only one with problems of not linking?


Title: Re: Tiny url
Post by: klaasend on February 03, 2007, 07:42:12 PM
Quote from: "IBE"
Am using 2 browsers.. am I the only one with problems of not linking?

I'm not having any problems


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Artcolley on February 03, 2007, 07:43:24 PM
How sad. I was hoping against hope that they'd find her alive somewhere.

My prayers go up for the Family of this precious child.


And, Cubbee, I am so very sorry.


Title: Re: Good thoughts for Kaitlin
Post by: Jerry from Ohio on February 03, 2007, 07:43:57 PM
Quote from: "cubbeegirl"
Quote from: "mishy"
Quote from: "Jerry from Ohio"
Quote from: "cubbeegirl"
Hi monkeys.... we are just coming in from searching to get warmed up for a bit and then off to search another area that hasn't been searched yet..

I took the TES number to Kaitlin's mom and she called this morning and she was told that they will be here at 8:30 tomorrow morning... not sure where the other time came in, but does not matter... they are on the way and hopefully can help us find our baby.....everyone is very happy that they are on the way, this is a living nightmare....

Thanks to all my monkey friends who have prayed and thanks to Old Fart , the sheriffs office has ok'd for everyone to search today and is trying to keep track of who went into what woods so that no one else comes up missing....

Rob, if you are here the reason for no Amber Alert is KK did not fit the criteria... someone has to see the actual persons in the car before you can put out an amber alert....

I pray that Tim and his crew can find Kaitlin .... I will keep you all informed...


  Lit cerimonial fire this AM and am sending up smoke to the great Sperit for his /Her help also ,
 a few neighbors that know about my native American beliefs came over to see what was wrong and when I explained a few of the more intelligent ones went home got dressed warm is 6 derees here in ohio and windy as heck and they returned a few even with others and we all prayed and sent up smoke in our own way for a safe conclusion to this missing child .

  SM even have strengths that we do not even realize yet
  Good work Cubbiee and Old Fart and all who are holding good thoughts for this child  
          Jerry


I am part Cherokee Jerry. Thanks for the lighting the ceremonial fire, Jerry. Sounds like you have some nice, caring neighbors  :wink:



Thanks Jerry, your post touched my heart..

I cannot sit still so am going back out to wander around and see if there is anything I can do.....will keep you all posted...
Once again thanks for all the special monkey prayers and good wishes


 
  Cubbee  you are very welcome and if there is anything else I can do please do not ever hesatate to ask    :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on February 03, 2007, 07:44:18 PM
[quote="nomad I hope you are well, Angie.  The time passes by so quickly.  Gosh, I looked at my post and realized just how long I'd been away.

The worst thing for any parent is to lose a child. I can't imagine the devastation and loss.  Part of you, torn away![/quote]


 I agree.. and cant imagine the pain :(
Being a mother.. I am sick to my stomach bigtime. :(
Cubee is such a sweety to talk to on the phone. I know shes gonna take this very hard for she knew her well and her son was a friend. :(
  These friggin monsters need to be shot... Sorry.. but thats how I feel.
They get put away.. and get out and do it all over again. Its disgusting as hell.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on February 03, 2007, 07:44:36 PM
Fox was just covering the Amish school tragedy and there were a couple of folks from the Amish Community on. Their attitude was that although they didn't understand the reasons, God allowed it to happen and that He had a purpose for doing so. They cited their faith as helping to ease the pain and insisted that some of the money they received be given to the family of the shooter.

Sometimes I think my faith is strong, but when I hear something like that, I'm not so sure.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Artcolley on February 03, 2007, 07:46:32 PM
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
Fox was just covering the Amish school tragedy and there were a couple of folks from the Amish Community on. Their attitude was that although they didn't understand the reasons, God allowed it to happen and that He had a purpose for doing so. They cited their faith as helping to ease the pain and insisted that some of the money they received be given to the family of the shooter.

Sometimes I think my faith is strong, but when I hear something like that, I'm not so sure.



Yeah, I know what you mean.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Rob on February 03, 2007, 07:46:58 PM
Monks- if Tim Miller was here on the board right now, I bet he would say something like this-

The business of finding missing people is not easy, but we do it to help those in pain, so that one part of the pain may end.

With each person found a small measure of closure is afforded, but that alone does not ease all of the pain.


me speaking here- I would never be so precocious to try and speak for Tim Miller. But in the quest to help these people, we are going to feel this pain too. Any person with even a small sense of caring and decorum for their fellow man or woman naturally would.  

I think we all did the best we could. Only God could stop that monster and that was not part of God's plan this time.

Kaitlin and her family are part of God's Plan, just as Natalee and her Family are part of God's Plan. Just as each of you and your Families are part of God's Plan.

We helped a family in need and that made a difference.

Although the pain is terrible, rest assured, God took notice of the effort that everyone made and I'm sure God is holding Kaitlin tight and comforting her as only God can.

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/Heaven.jpg)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Rob on February 03, 2007, 07:47:47 PM
Klaas- please add a '[' to the front of that image please.. TIA


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Artcolley on February 03, 2007, 07:49:09 PM
Quote from: "Rob"
Monks- if Tim Miller was here on the board right now, I bet he would say something like this-

The business of finding missing people is not easy, but we do it to help those in pain, so that one part of the pain may end.

With each person found a small measure of closure is afforded, but that alone does not ease all of the pain.


me speaking here- I would never be so precocious to try and speak for Tim Miller. But in the quest to help these people, we are going to feel this pain too. Any person with even a small sense of caring and decorum for their fellow man or woman naturally would.  

I think we all did the best we could. Only God could stop that monster and that was not part of God's plan this time.

Kaitlin and her family are part of God's Plan, just as Natalee and her Family are part of God's Plan. Just as each of you and your Families are part of God's Plan.

We helped a family in need and that made a difference.

Although the pain is terrible, rest assured, God took notice of the effort that everyone made and I'm sure God is holding Kaitlin tight and comforting her as only God can.

IMG]http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/Heaven.jpg[/IMG]



THank you for that, Rob
THere is a lot of wisdom and comfort in those words.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on February 03, 2007, 07:50:34 PM
Nice post  Rob..  
Have tears in my eyes :(


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Rob on February 03, 2007, 07:51:35 PM
(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/Heaven.jpg)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: LilPuma on February 03, 2007, 07:52:36 PM
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
Fox was just covering the Amish school tragedy and there were a couple of folks from the Amish Community on. Their attitude was that although they didn't understand the reasons, God allowed it to happen and that He had a purpose for doing so. They cited their faith as helping to ease the pain and insisted that some of the money they received be given to the family of the shooter.

Sometimes I think my faith is strong, but when I hear something like that, I'm not so sure.


What a beautiful thing to do.  They probably understand that that family is also suffering the "loss" of one of their own and are feeling the pain that something in his life went so wrong that he would do such a horrible thing.   Probably some guilt that they did nothing to intervene and prevent this.  Compare this to the vds clan.......


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: klaasend on February 03, 2007, 07:53:50 PM
Based upon the last article, this map may be more accurate:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/BodyFound2copy.jpg)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on February 03, 2007, 07:54:34 PM
Quote from: "LilPuma"
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
Fox was just covering the Amish school tragedy and there were a couple of folks from the Amish Community on. Their attitude was that although they didn't understand the reasons, God allowed it to happen and that He had a purpose for doing so. They cited their faith as helping to ease the pain and insisted that some of the money they received be given to the family of the shooter.

Sometimes I think my faith is strong, but when I hear something like that, I'm not so sure.


What a beautiful thing to do.  They probably understand that that family is also suffering the "loss" of one of their own and are feeling the pain that something in his life went so wrong that he would do such a horrible thing.   Probably some guilt that they did nothing to intervene and prevent this.  Compare this to the vds clan.......


Wow! Did you just say a mouthful! The distance between those hearts is as far apart as the East is from the West!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: nomad on February 03, 2007, 07:57:59 PM
Quote
I agree.. and cant imagine the pain :(
Being a mother.. I am sick to my stomach bigtime. :(
Cubee is such a sweety to talk to on the phone. I know shes gonna take this very hard for she knew her well and her son was a friend. :(
  These friggin monsters need to be shot... Sorry.. but thats how I feel.
They get put away.. and get out and do it all over again. Its disgusting as hell.


It makes me sick, too.  This fall I had my first grandchild, a little girl, Sophia.  What kind of world will she grow up in?  It was never this bad when I was growing up.  If only something could be done.  I always remember my Dad saying they should take these monsters and drop them in one of the strip mining pits - feed them once a week with some bread and water - no clothes, no shelter. Just let them rot in there!  Think he had it about right.

MsMarples ....thank you for the articles

Yapperz ..... thank you for the map.  So close and yet so far.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on February 03, 2007, 08:07:30 PM
I agree with your dad Nomad..
And congrats to you on your grandbaby.
I also agree when I was growing up. things like this didnt happen too often. WTH is the world coming to anymore. These monsters need stopped once and for all and I am so sick of hearing jails here are overcrowded..  tough shit. I have plenty of conversations with officers.
Makes me ill.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: yapperz1 on February 03, 2007, 08:11:41 PM
Locking them up does not solve the problem. Something in them is broken beyond repair. Our lawmakers have got to make it a one strike & your out law. IMO get em out of the USA. Put em somewhere where they can't hurt anyone but themselves.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Artcolley on February 03, 2007, 08:14:35 PM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
I agree with your dad Nomad..
And congrats to you on your grandbaby.
I also agree when I was growing up. things like this didnt happen too often. WTH is the world coming to anymore. These monsters need stopped once and for all and I am so sick of hearing jails here are overcrowded..  tough shit. I have plenty of conversations with officers.
Makes me ill.



Part of the problem is lenient judges (who should be taken off the bench, imo) and the lack of death penalties in so many of the states.

Some people "just need killin" IMHO.
I am in favor of the death penalty in cases like this.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: mishy on February 03, 2007, 08:14:42 PM
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
Fox was just covering the Amish school tragedy and there were a couple of folks from the Amish Community on. Their attitude was that although they didn't understand the reasons, God allowed it to happen and that He had a purpose for doing so. They cited their faith as helping to ease the pain and insisted that some of the money they received be given to the family of the shooter.

Sometimes I think my faith is strong, but when I hear something like that, I'm not so sure.


It's absolutely amazing how they were immediatley so forgiving and gracious regarding the tragedy that happened to their children...It's almost unfathomable. We sure need to take some lessons from them!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Frijole on February 03, 2007, 08:14:57 PM
Quote from: "yapperz1"
Locking them up does not solve the problem. Something in them is broken beyond repair. Our lawmakers have got to make it a one strike & your out law. IMO get em out of the USA. Put em somewhere where they can't hurt anyone but themselves.


somewhere ugly, desolate, remote where no one else wants to go anyway... someplace like ARUBA!!!   :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Frijole on February 03, 2007, 08:16:05 PM
Sorry, forgot to say Good Evening Monks.

This is truly a tragedy.  I can't imagine that happening next door to me, but it happens all the time.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: mishy on February 03, 2007, 08:17:13 PM
Quote from: "Rob"
Monks- if Tim Miller was here on the board right now, I bet he would say something like this-

The business of finding missing people is not easy, but we do it to help those in pain, so that one part of the pain may end.

With each person found a small measure of closure is afforded, but that alone does not ease all of the pain.


me speaking here- I would never be so precocious to try and speak for Tim Miller. But in the quest to help these people, we are going to feel this pain too. Any person with even a small sense of caring and decorum for their fellow man or woman naturally would.  

I think we all did the best we could. Only God could stop that monster and that was not part of God's plan this time.

Kaitlin and her family are part of God's Plan, just as Natalee and her Family are part of God's Plan. Just as each of you and your Families are part of God's Plan.

We helped a family in need and that made a difference.

Although the pain is terrible, rest assured, God took notice of the effort that everyone made and I'm sure God is holding Kaitlin tight and comforting her as only God can.

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/Heaven.jpg)


You are so right, Rob. At least Kaitlin is with her Father and he is keeping her safe now. Prayers for her precious soul and for her mother, who will never be the same  :cry:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: nomad on February 03, 2007, 08:18:06 PM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
I agree with your dad Nomad..
And congrats to you on your grandbaby.
I also agree when I was growing up. things like this didnt happen too often. WTH is the world coming to anymore. These monsters need stopped once and for all and I am so sick of hearing jails here are overcrowded..  tough shit. I have plenty of conversations with officers.
Makes me ill.


The older I get, the more I agree with what he thought sometimes. :-)

Oh, little Sophia is beautiful. So little and precious. They grow up too fast.
Seems like now we need to worry about the monsters from the moment they are born into this world.  So much evil. The pit sounds real good - you can't rehabilitate these people. They prove it time and time again. Geeesh.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on February 03, 2007, 08:18:30 PM
Quote from: "yapperz1"
Locking them up does not solve the problem. Something in them is broken beyond repair. Our lawmakers have got to make it a one strike & your out law. IMO get em out of the USA. Put em somewhere where they can't hurt anyone but themselves.

 

I agree YAP..


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: mishy on February 03, 2007, 08:22:47 PM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "yapperz1"
Locking them up does not solve the problem. Something in them is broken beyond repair. Our lawmakers have got to make it a one strike & your out law. IMO get em out of the USA. Put em somewhere where they can't hurt anyone but themselves.

 

I agree YAP..


I'm right there with ya'll. When someone has something like this in them, I believe there is some deep seated mental illness going on. Consider Lewis' past criminal record. Just like Joran will do it again, Lewis took it a step further this time....  :evil:  :evil:  :evil:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Sam on February 03, 2007, 08:24:15 PM
HI Monkeys,

Cubbiegirl I am so sorry to hear the news about Kaitlin.My heart is broken for her family , and friends.

If you can it would be nice to tell her Mom about all the folks here who were praying for her.

Rob a real nice prayer.

Angie thanks for all you have done.

Nomad it is so true. The world is a scary place now. I just wish we could have a death penalty for cases like this.

To all you Monkeys, I told my hubby that if any of our loved ones ever go missing I want the Monkeys to know because they are all such caring folks.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: mishy on February 03, 2007, 08:24:46 PM
Quote from: "nomad"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
I agree with your dad Nomad..
And congrats to you on your grandbaby.
I also agree when I was growing up. things like this didnt happen too often. WTH is the world coming to anymore. These monsters need stopped once and for all and I am so sick of hearing jails here are overcrowded..  tough shit. I have plenty of conversations with officers.
Makes me ill.


The older I get, the more I agree with what he thought sometimes. :-)

Oh, little Sophia is beautiful. So little and precious. They grow up too fast.
Seems like now we need to worry about the monsters from the moment they are born into this world.  So much evil. The pit sounds real good - you can't rehabilitate these people. They prove it time and time again. Geeesh.


Nomad, so glad to see you here. Enjoy that precious baby, for she will be grown up in the blink of an eye.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Rob on February 03, 2007, 08:25:34 PM
My Friends- look at this picture and tell me you could not help Ms. Aydell if you could. This is the reason I try to help where I can and if I can.

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/DanetteAydell1.jpg)

I have a mental picture inside of my mind from the prayer service marking the 30th day that Natalee was missing and I saw Beth and Dave in front of the HI.

It is this pain that drives me to help those that need help. I know you all feel the same way.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on February 03, 2007, 08:26:12 PM
Quote from: "Artcolley"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
I agree with your dad Nomad..
And congrats to you on your grandbaby.
I also agree when I was growing up. things like this didnt happen too often. WTH is the world coming to anymore. These monsters need stopped once and for all and I am so sick of hearing jails here are overcrowded..  tough shit. I have plenty of conversations with officers.
Makes me ill.



Part of the problem is lenient judges (who should be taken off the bench, imo) and the lack of death penalties in so many of the states.

Some people "just need killin" IMHO.
I am in favor of the death penalty in cases like this.


 Me too Art.. and its great to see you honey.. I been keeping you in my prayers and I hope you are feeling better.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on February 03, 2007, 08:27:53 PM
ROB..

 I posted earlier about helping the family.. and emailing Cubbee about it as well.. but got no response. :(


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: nomad on February 03, 2007, 08:29:16 PM
Quote from: "mishy"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "yapperz1"
Locking them up does not solve the problem. Something in them is broken beyond repair . Our lawmakers have got to make it a one strike & your out law. IMO get em out of the USA. Put em somewhere where they can't hurt anyone but themselves.

 

I agree YAP..


I'm right there with ya'll. When someone has something like this in them, I believe there is some deep seated mental illness going on . Consider Lewis' past criminal record. Just like Joran will do it again, Lewis took it a step further this time....  :evil:  :evil:  :evil:


I so agree YAP and Mishy. I sometimes feel it is just plain evil possessing them and they are lost forever.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Artcolley on February 03, 2007, 08:29:27 PM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "Artcolley"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
I agree with your dad Nomad..
And congrats to you on your grandbaby.
I also agree when I was growing up. things like this didnt happen too often. WTH is the world coming to anymore. These monsters need stopped once and for all and I am so sick of hearing jails here are overcrowded..  tough shit. I have plenty of conversations with officers.
Makes me ill.



Part of the problem is lenient judges (who should be taken off the bench, imo) and the lack of death penalties in so many of the states.

Some people "just need killin" IMHO.
I am in favor of the death penalty in cases like this.


 Me too Art.. and its great to see you honey.. I been keeping you in my prayers and I hope you are feeling better.



Its great to see you too, ANgie.  I feel okay..just nervous about the second surgery next Friday. Scared is more like it!
THank you for your prayers..prayer DOES help!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: mishy on February 03, 2007, 08:31:29 PM
That poor mother! I pray that God will help her get through this, as only He can.

I pray that the community will rally around her at this time and help her in any way that they can. Prayers for Cubbee, for I know she is devastated about this...she will need to be strong for her neighbor. I hope Cubbee can let us know if there's anything at all that we can do for Kaitlin's mom...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: IBE on February 03, 2007, 08:31:36 PM
Are they sure it's her? I fell asleep finally... the last few pages.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: msmarple on February 03, 2007, 08:33:10 PM
I am not so certain that these incidents are a relatively new phenomenom. For one thing, I don't think there's much new under the sun (as in Ecclesiastes).

For another, I've read theories from several sources that suggest that the terrible stories passed down throughout history, variously attributed to werewolves, vampires, other boogeymen born by superstition, and still others borne by prejudice (gypsies, and yes, the Jews), etc. - more likely were these same kinds of predators at work. And the predators KNEW who or what would be blamed - often making SURE of it.
 
Just something to think about.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Sam on February 03, 2007, 08:33:32 PM
This may be a terrible thing to say but I personally would like to see the death penalty in all cases of sexual abuse. Not just the ones who are murdered.

We all know they can't be rehabbed. It is always a matter of time before they reoffend. So this would save a few victims. Plus not allow the type of thing like BT posted last night of the jerk who murdered his own baby.

Or maybe if judges are going to be so lenient they could have the jerks move in with them. JMHO


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: mishy on February 03, 2007, 08:34:25 PM
Quote from: "Artcolley"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "Artcolley"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
I agree with your dad Nomad..
And congrats to you on your grandbaby.
I also agree when I was growing up. things like this didnt happen too often. WTH is the world coming to anymore. These monsters need stopped once and for all and I am so sick of hearing jails here are overcrowded..  tough shit. I have plenty of conversations with officers.
Makes me ill.



Part of the problem is lenient judges (who should be taken off the bench, imo) and the lack of death penalties in so many of the states.

Some people "just need killin" IMHO.
I am in favor of the death penalty in cases like this.


 Me too Art.. and its great to see you honey.. I been keeping you in my prayers and I hope you are feeling better.



Its great to see you too, ANgie.  I feel okay..just nervous about the second surgery next Friday. Scared is more like it!
THank you for your prayers..prayer DOES help!


I will keep you in my prayers, dear Artcolley!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: nomad on February 03, 2007, 08:38:25 PM
Quote from: "mishy"
Quote from: "nomad"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
I agree with your dad Nomad..
And congrats to you on your grandbaby.
I also agree when I was growing up. things like this didnt happen too often. WTH is the world coming to anymore. These monsters need stopped once and for all and I am so sick of hearing jails here are overcrowded..  tough shit. I have plenty of conversations with officers.
Makes me ill.


The older I get, the more I agree with what he thought sometimes. :-)

Oh, little Sophia is beautiful. So little and precious. They grow up too fast.
Seems like now we need to worry about the monsters from the moment they are born into this world.  So much evil. The pit sounds real good - you can't rehabilitate these people. They prove it time and time again. Geeesh.


Nomad, so glad to see you here. Enjoy that precious baby, for she will be grown up in the blink of an eye.


Mishy ..... thanks. It is good to be here. Oh, yes, the blink of an eye describes it perfectly.  It is good to see you, too!

Sam .... yes, it is very scary. I think the death penalty is very much called for in these cases.

Rob ..... That picture is just heart wrenching. A part of her is gone forever.  God help and bless her.  This is so sad.  Your other post was very poignant.  Thank you for it.  You are a good man.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: mishy on February 03, 2007, 08:39:23 PM
Quote from: "Sam"
This may be a terrible thing to say but I personally would like to see the death penalty in all cases of sexual abuse. Not just the ones who are murdered.

We all know they can't be rehabbed. It is always a matter of time before they reoffend. So this would save a few victims. Plus not allow the type of thing like BT posted last night of the jerk who murdered his own baby.

Or maybe if judges are going to be so lenient they could have the jerks move in with them. JMHO


Great ideas Sam! If the perps moving in with the judges were the alternative, then just maybe they'd get off their butt's and make some intelligent decisions regarding these offenders, these monsters, these predators.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on February 03, 2007, 08:41:49 PM
hey Mishy,,  Bean. Sam and anyone else.. Sorry I am having a hard time keeping up and have an IM at the moment.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Artcolley on February 03, 2007, 08:43:30 PM
Mishy, Thank you!

You know, the way I see it, when one of these predators injures mentally OR physically, or murders one of our children, it is a crime against society as this is our future.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: mishy on February 03, 2007, 08:44:56 PM
Quote from: "msmarple"
I am not so certain that these incidents are a relatively new phenomenom. For one thing, I don't think there's much new under the sun (as in Ecclesiastes).

For another, I've read theories from several sources that suggest that the terrible stories passed down throughout history, variously attributed to werewolves, vampires, other boogeymen born by superstition, and still others borne by prejudice (gypsies, and yes, the Jews), etc. - more likely were these same kinds of predators at work. And the predators KNEW who or what would be blamed - often making SURE of it.
 
Just something to think about.


Thanks for your clarity on this, as always, MsMarple...People always wonder if this kind of thing is happening more, or are we just hearing about it more, what with the advent of the WWW and newsmagazine shows focusing on these kinds of things specifically.

However, I do think that while murdering sickos have been around since the beginning of time, this world is a much harsher place than it was even 30 years ago. Kids are having sex at earlier ages, the drugs are heavier, porn is everywhere...do you see where I'm going with this?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: msmarple on February 03, 2007, 08:46:41 PM
I'm not seeing any updates to Kaitlin's story at The Advocate. The TV station says full coverage at 10:00 pm (LA time, I'm sure). It is Channel 2, ABC affiliate.

What I am sure is happening is that someone - a family member, probably - is having to have to make (or not) an identification. Plus crime scene processing, regardless of ID.

http://www.2theadvocate.com/


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: mishy on February 03, 2007, 08:48:48 PM
Quote from: "Artcolley"
Mishy, Thank you!

You know, the way I see it, when one of these predators injures mentally OR physically, or murders one of our children, it is a crime against society as this is our future.


Oh, most definitely! And we have let them taint us. It's hard to be like the Amish, who are so insulated in their worlds and so forgiving.

Like Rob says, making a difference in other's lives and more people reaching out and helping others in need can hopefully provide some salve for the wounds that infect the World we live in...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Sam on February 03, 2007, 08:50:43 PM
Quote from: "mishy"
Quote from: "Sam"
This may be a terrible thing to say but I personally would like to see the death penalty in all cases of sexual abuse. Not just the ones who are murdered.

We all know they can't be rehabbed. It is always a matter of time before they reoffend. So this would save a few victims. Plus not allow the type of thing like BT posted last night of the jerk who murdered his own baby.

Or maybe if judges are going to be so lenient they could have the jerks move in with them. JMHO


Great ideas Sam! If the perps moving in with the judges were the alternative, then just maybe they'd get off their butt's and make some intelligent decisions regarding these offenders, these monsters, these predators.


If Jet Duncan had been kept off the street after his first offense Shasta Goene's family might still be alive.

If John Couey had been kept off the street after his first offense, Jessica Lunsford might still be alive.

If Joseph Smith had been kept off the street, Carlie Brucie might still be alive.

Oh darn I hope I got those names right. There are so many more. I just can't think of them now.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: mishy on February 03, 2007, 08:50:51 PM
Quote from: "msmarple"
I'm not seeing any updates to Kaitlin's story at The Advocate. The TV station says full coverage at 10:00 pm (LA time, I'm sure). It is Channel 2, ABC affiliate.

What I am sure is happening is that someone - a family member, probably - is having to have to make (or not) an identification. Plus crime scene processing, regardless of ID.

http://www.2theadvocate.com/


 :cry:  :cry:  :cry:  :cry:  :cry:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on February 03, 2007, 08:51:18 PM
ROB..

 Can you check your email please? Had a message to send to you..
Thanks..

Catch up in a little bit monkey peoples.. got to do something.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Rob on February 03, 2007, 08:56:20 PM
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/road-to-heaven2.jpg)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: msmarple on February 03, 2007, 08:59:37 PM
Quote from: "mishy"
Quote from: "msmarple"
I am not so certain that these incidents are a relatively new phenomenom. For one thing, I don't think there's much new under the sun (as in Ecclesiastes).

For another, I've read theories from several sources that suggest that the terrible stories passed down throughout history, variously attributed to werewolves, vampires, other boogeymen born by superstition, and still others borne by prejudice (gypsies, and yes, the Jews), etc. - more likely were these same kinds of predators at work. And the predators KNEW who or what would be blamed - often making SURE of it.
 
Just something to think about.


Thanks for your clarity on this, as always, MsMarple...People always wonder if this kind of thing is happening more, or are we just hearing about it more, what with the advent of the WWW and newsmagazine shows focusing on these kinds of things specifically.

However, I do think that while murdering sickos have been around since the beginning of time, this world is a much harsher place than it was even 30 years ago. Kids are having sex at earlier ages, the drugs are heavier, porn is everywhere...do you see where I'm going with this?


Oh yes, I know exactly where you're going. All you said, plus so much stress and frustration - and even boredom.

But I'm not so sure that any of these things turn an otherwise "normal person" into a sexual predataor. I really do think that some percentage of the population (fortunately a relatively small percentage) are just wired horribly differently.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: mishy on February 03, 2007, 09:02:11 PM
MsMarple...I wonder if inbreeding has anything to do with this? Sounds crazy I know...Mental illness breeding mental illness...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: mishy on February 03, 2007, 09:05:39 PM
Quote from: "msmarple"


But I'm not so sure that any of these things turn an otherwise "normal person" into a sexual predataor. I really do think that some percentage of the population (fortunately a relatively small percentage) are just wired horribly differently.


No, certainly not...

Do you think these people choose to be that warped? Or are they like this due to their mental illness, their torment? Something in them thinks these kinds of things are OK?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Sam on February 03, 2007, 09:07:56 PM
Quote from: "Artcolley"
Mishy, Thank you!

You know, the way I see it, when one of these predators injures mentally OR physically, or murders one of our children, it is a crime against society as this is our future.


So well said Mrs. Artcolley.

Mishy I so agree with you. Yes it has been going on forever but Msmarple alot of the time the citizens took care of the problem because there were not enough courts. No I am not advocating vigilante justice.

The other problem we have is our population is so much greater.In years past National Geographic with the pictures of The African bare breasted native women or a few Islands also would be the closest thing to porn our young boys were exposed to.

Now they can see everything.Porn does not help our society as well as the drug problem . JMHO


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Sam on February 03, 2007, 09:14:17 PM
I am giving up for the night. so night Monkeys.


Rob that is a beautiful picture.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: msmarple on February 03, 2007, 09:16:49 PM
Quote from: "mishy"
MsMarple...I wonder if inbreeding has anything to do with this? Sounds crazy I know...Mental illness breeding mental illness...



Hummm. I don't know. I can't recall hearing or reading anything on this specifically. Certainly inbreeding has long been thought to cause all kinds of mental and physical problems. Just don't know if abnormal sexual urges are among those cited. An interesting internet research topic.

(I have recently read that cousins marrying is no long illegal in some states; apparently that relationship is not thought to be close enough to cause problems. I don't agree with that ... but I'm not qualified to say.)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Artcolley on February 03, 2007, 09:20:00 PM
ANtoher thing is the lack of discipline.

What we are seeing in some younger people (that aren't so young anymore) is a product of the society being permissive with our young to the point where they have lost to think critically. THey take no responsibility for their actions at all.
THis trend is becoming pervasive in our society on all levels.
In the mentally deranged, such as a predator..they've been left to run amock. Even the judges won't discipline them.

Used to be when "Johhny" was caught with Porn, a trip out to the woodshed was all it took to straighten him out in most cases.

Heck, now they are trying to pass a law that spanking your child is a jailable offense!

A young child is much like a puppy in that without proper training, discipline and respect they grow into wild, uncontrollable, biting animals that eventually have to be destroyed for the good of the society.

Mind you, I am NOT in favor of beating a child OR an animal. But a stern verbal correction can also do the trick.
I actually had a friend bring her brat (several years ago) to Thanksgiving dinner at my home where this kid (4 years old) proceeded to climb onto the table with all the food and jump up and down. My hubby sternly told him NO! Get DOWN NOW!

The Mother turned to him and said," We don't tell Mikey NO. IT will hurt his self-esteem".
Needless to say, they were never invited again.

This darling went on to set their house on fire one day which was the most serious of his offences I knew of til we lost touch a few years later.
He must be in his twenties now and I often wonder what sort of Monster he turned into.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on February 03, 2007, 09:21:16 PM
My heart is broken for this family.  That is all I can say at this moment.  Another precious child taken from us.  My heart is broken... :cry:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Artcolley on February 03, 2007, 09:22:16 PM
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
My heart is broken for this family.  That is all I can say at this moment.  Another precious child taken from us.  My heart is broken... :cry:


AS is mine, Lalas. Such a tragic, senseless loss.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: klaasend on February 03, 2007, 09:23:11 PM
Body of Missing Girl Found

Feb 3, 2007 06:10 PM PST
(http://wafb.images.worldnow.com/images/6034258_BG1.jpg)
 
Kaitlin Aydell
 
Livingston Parish Sheriff's Detectives are on the scene where investigators found the body of a young girl. Police have confirmed the body is that of 13-year-old Kaitlin Aydell of French Settlement, who had been missing since Thursday.

Livingston Parish Sheriff Willie Graves says detectives found the body just before 4:30 p.m. Saturday off of Hwy. 936 in Ascension Parish - that's in St. Amant near Gonzales.

Kaitlin Aydell was last seen Thursday afternoon. On Friday morning, deputies arrested 39-year-old Mark Sterling Lewis, Kaitlin's cousin by marriage. Lewis is charged with obstruction of justice. Sheriff's Deputies say he lied about where he was the day Kaitlin disappeared.

Detectives say Lewis had scratches on his face when they found him.

Lewis was previously arrested in 1995 for kidnapping. He served two years of a seven year sentence for that charge. At this point, Lewis is not a suspect in Kaitlin's disappearance


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Artcolley on February 03, 2007, 09:24:39 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Body of Missing Girl Found

Feb 3, 2007 06:10 PM PST
(http://wafb.images.worldnow.com/images/6034258_BG1.jpg)
 
Kaitlin Aydell
 
Livingston Parish Sheriff's Detectives are on the scene where investigators found the body of a young girl. Police have confirmed the body is that of 13-year-old Kaitlin Aydell of French Settlement, who had been missing since Thursday.

Livingston Parish Sheriff Willie Graves says detectives found the body just before 4:30 p.m. Saturday off of Hwy. 936 in Ascension Parish - that's in St. Amant near Gonzales.

Kaitlin Aydell was last seen Thursday afternoon. On Friday morning, deputies arrested 39-year-old Mark Sterling Lewis, Kaitlin's cousin by marriage. Lewis is charged with obstruction of justice. Sheriff's Deputies say he lied about where he was the day Kaitlin disappeared.

Detectives say Lewis had scratches on his face when they found him.

Lewis was previously arrested in 1995 for kidnapping. He served two years of a seven year sentence for that charge. At this point, Lewis is not a suspect in Kaitlin's disappearance



Just Damn.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: IBE on February 03, 2007, 09:28:07 PM
Yes ArtColley double it. I am so sorry.

If it is the man who they think it might be, the signs were there years ago!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Artcolley on February 03, 2007, 09:29:39 PM
Quote from: "IBE"
Yes ArtColley double it. I am so sorry.

If it is the man who they think it might be, the signs were there years ago!


Absolutely.
Is there a death penalty in La?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: mishy on February 03, 2007, 09:31:35 PM
Quote from: "Rob"
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/road-to-heaven2.jpg)


Very nice picture. I'm so sorry this little girl ever met this Lewis freak. Hopefully soon he will be charged with her murder, but that won't bring this child back to her mother. She's God's angel in Heaven now...She has touched so many lives already...

Prayers for her soul, for her mother, family, and friends. Prayers for all who have done what they could to find her. Prayers for all the monkeys. Prayers for Natalee and her family and friends.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: msmarple on February 03, 2007, 09:32:03 PM
Quote from: "mishy"

<snip>
Do you think these people choose to be that warped? Or are they like this due to their mental illness, their torment? Something in them thinks these kinds of things are OK?


It's what they WANT to do. It's what their URGE is. "Normal sex" might not even be possible ... I wouldn't say it's exactly a "choice" but I think it's possible that some of these people struggle with it.

Whether they think it's OK - probably depends on a lot of things.

I think some are remorseful enough that they commit suicide - sooner or later. (If they aren't caught.)

On the other hand, some display no remorse at all and enjoy reading about their exploits.

Please don't misunderstand me. My point - and I do have one - is that these people aren't "curable" - it's the way they are. Nothing will ever change them. They need to be taken off the streets and out of society forever.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Red on February 03, 2007, 09:33:42 PM
I had posted this earlier in the MP thread and on the MP blog
Posted: Sat Feb 03, 2007 9:42 pm    Post subject:

UPDATE V: Confirmation that the body is that of Kaitlin Aydell

http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?p=113936#113936

We have extremely sad news to report in the case of missing Kaitlin Aydell. Upon learning that an unidentified body was found we called Tim Miller.  

We do have confirmation that the body found by volunteers is that of 13 year old Kaitlin Aydell. We just spoke with Tim Miller of Texas Equusearch and was notified of the sad news.

Tim Miller asked for everyone to please keep the family of Kaitlin Aydell and the community in their prayers. At the very least Kaitlin will be brought home to her family.

Kaitlin, rest in peace and God Bless.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: nomad on February 03, 2007, 09:35:32 PM
Quote from: "Artcolley"
Quote from: "IBE"
Yes ArtColley double it. I am so sorry.

If it is the man who they think it might be, the signs were there years ago!


Absolutely.
Is there a death penalty in La?



I could be very wrong, but I think I read where LA recently abolished the death penalty.  I'll try to check this out.  Have lost my internet connection twice in the last 20 minutes.  Arrrrgh.

All best wishes to you this coming Friday.  I will remember you in prayer.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Mere on February 03, 2007, 09:37:13 PM
Quote from: "Artcolley"
Quote from: "IBE"
Yes ArtColley double it. I am so sorry.

If it is the man who they think it might be, the signs were there years ago!


Absolutely.
Is there a death penalty in La?


Not sure but this is what I found.....

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/state/


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: mishy on February 03, 2007, 09:41:00 PM
Quote from: "Artcolley"
ANtoher thing is the lack of discipline.

What we are seeing in some younger people (that aren't so young anymore) is a product of the society being permissive with our young to the point where they have lost to think critically. THey take no responsibility for their actions at all.
THis trend is becoming pervasive in our society on all levels.
In the mentally deranged, such as a predator..they've been left to run amock. Even the judges won't discipline them.

Used to be when "Johhny" was caught with Porn, a trip out to the woodshed was all it took to straighten him out in most cases.

Heck, now they are trying to pass a law that spanking your child is a jailable offense!

A young child is much like a puppy in that without proper training, discipline and respect they grow into wild, uncontrollable, biting animals that eventually have to be destroyed for the good of the society.

Mind you, I am NOT in favor of beating a child OR an animal. But a stern verbal correction can also do the trick.
I actually had a friend bring her brat (several years ago) to Thanksgiving dinner at my home where this kid (4 years old) proceeded to climb onto the table with all the food and jump up and down. My hubby sternly told him NO! Get DOWN NOW!

The Mother turned to him and said," We don't tell Mikey NO. IT will hurt his self-esteem".
Needless to say, they were never invited again.

This darling went on to set their house on fire one day which was the most serious of his offences I knew of til we lost touch a few years later.
He must be in his twenties now and I often wonder what sort of Monster he turned into.


Artcolley, parents these days are taking the easy way out by not being harder on their kids, making them accountable, responsible...so many parents are both working and they are so busy with getting their kids to and from their activities, etc. or single parents trying to work 2 and 3 jobs to take care of their kids...the video games are the babysitters, many times, and many of these are charged with violence and rage...

Have any of you ever seen the movie "Thirteen?" It was on about a week ago on DirectTv...I think on the IFC. I saw it several years ago before my daughter turned a year old. It's about a 13 yo girl who is an innocent child and she gets in with this popular girl who dresses in hot clothes, steals from the boutiques in LA, drinks and does drugs, has body piercings and tattoos, has sex for drugs and money...This little girl went downhill in just a few months and got into it big time. She was even cutting herself. This movie sent chills up my spine and I was in fear of what the world would be like when mine got that age. It's heartbreaking...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: mishy on February 03, 2007, 09:42:41 PM
Quote from: "msmarple"
Quote from: "mishy"

<snip>
Do you think these people choose to be that warped? Or are they like this due to their mental illness, their torment? Something in them thinks these kinds of things are OK?


It's what they WANT to do. It's what their URGE is. "Normal sex" might not even be possible ... I wouldn't say it's exactly a "choice" but I think it's possible that some of these people struggle with it.

Whether they think it's OK - probably depends on a lot of things.

I think some are remorseful enough that they commit suicide - sooner or later. (If they aren't caught.)

On the other hand, some display no remorse at all and enjoy reading about their exploits.

Please don't misunderstand me. My point - and I do have one - is that these people aren't "curable" - it's the way they are. Nothing will ever change them. They need to be taken off the streets and out of society forever.


I agree with you completely...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Artcolley on February 03, 2007, 09:50:50 PM
Quote from: "MeMere"
Quote from: "Artcolley"
Quote from: "IBE"
Yes ArtColley double it. I am so sorry.

If it is the man who they think it might be, the signs were there years ago!


Absolutely.
Is there a death penalty in La?


Not sure but this is what I found.....

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/state/


THanks, MeMere!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: robots on February 03, 2007, 09:52:00 PM
Quote from: "mishy"
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
Fox was just covering the Amish school tragedy and there were a couple of folks from the Amish Community on. Their attitude was that although they didn't understand the reasons, God allowed it to happen and that He had a purpose for doing so. They cited their faith as helping to ease the pain and insisted that some of the money they received be given to the family of the shooter.

Sometimes I think my faith is strong, but when I hear something like that, I'm not so sure.


It's absolutely amazing how they were immediatley so forgiving and gracious regarding the tragedy that happened to their children...It's almost unfathomable. We sure need to take some lessons from them!


i will be the first to admit, i could not do it....

forgiveness is a funny thing for me...

i can forgive lots of things, especially when things that happen that are NOT on purpose....but out right EVIL....

i cant


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: nomad on February 03, 2007, 09:52:30 PM
Louisiana still has the death penalty.  I was incorrect. There is also a coalition trying to reverse it.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: robots on February 03, 2007, 09:52:52 PM
maybe i just dont have enough faith


but im trying   8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Artcolley on February 03, 2007, 09:53:48 PM
Quote from: "mishy"
Quote from: "Artcolley"
ANtoher thing is the lack of discipline.

What we are seeing in some younger people (that aren't so young anymore) is a product of the society being permissive with our young to the point where they have lost to think critically. THey take no responsibility for their actions at all.
THis trend is becoming pervasive in our society on all levels.
In the mentally deranged, such as a predator..they've been left to run amock. Even the judges won't discipline them.

Used to be when "Johhny" was caught with Porn, a trip out to the woodshed was all it took to straighten him out in most cases.

Heck, now they are trying to pass a law that spanking your child is a jailable offense!

A young child is much like a puppy in that without proper training, discipline and respect they grow into wild, uncontrollable, biting animals that eventually have to be destroyed for the good of the society.

Mind you, I am NOT in favor of beating a child OR an animal. But a stern verbal correction can also do the trick.
I actually had a friend bring her brat (several years ago) to Thanksgiving dinner at my home where this kid (4 years old) proceeded to climb onto the table with all the food and jump up and down. My hubby sternly told him NO! Get DOWN NOW!

The Mother turned to him and said," We don't tell Mikey NO. IT will hurt his self-esteem".
Needless to say, they were never invited again.

This darling went on to set their house on fire one day which was the most serious of his offences I knew of til we lost touch a few years later.
He must be in his twenties now and I often wonder what sort of Monster he turned into.


Artcolley, parents these days are taking the easy way out by not being harder on their kids, making them accountable, responsible...so many parents are both working and they are so busy with getting their kids to and from their activities, etc. or single parents trying to work 2 and 3 jobs to take care of their kids...the video games are the babysitters, many times, and many of these are charged with violence and rage...

Have any of you ever seen the movie "Thirteen?" It was on about a week ago on DirectTv...I think on the IFC. I saw it several years ago before my daughter turned a year old. It's about a 13 yo girl who is an innocent child and she gets in with this popular girl who dresses in hot clothes, steals from the boutiques in LA, drinks and does drugs, has body piercings and tattoos, has sex for drugs and money...This little girl went downhill in just a few months and got into it big time. She was even cutting herself. This movie sent chills up my spine and I was in fear of what the world would be like when mine got that age. It's heartbreaking...


YOu are right.
I think the hardest  and most important job a person can have is properly raising children.

I didn't see the movie "thirteen"...sounds like it would be very troubling.
But, all this stuff goes one everyday somewhere.

Truly a sad state of affairs


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: IBE on February 03, 2007, 09:54:38 PM
Our children are the only future of mankind.

We have good people here who are dedicated to make the world better one step at a time and sometimes lots of tears.

We will regroup again and figure what to do next so one step at a time can be done and pretty soon we all have traveled far.

Oh H*&*I&* there just aren't any good words or the words are very hard.

Love ya all.... When we gather together over this and others, football games, new cars, big homes aren't that important as our children and adults safety and survival.IMO

Bye... off to find some sleep.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Artcolley on February 03, 2007, 09:55:06 PM
Quote from: "nomad"
Louisiana still has the death penalty.  I was incorrect. There is also a coalition trying to reverse it.


GOOD.
I hope this guy is prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: robots on February 03, 2007, 09:55:49 PM
kids are funny, some are just hoping their parents say "no" occasionally

you have to be consistent and no when to give and when NOT to give

 8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: msmarple on February 03, 2007, 09:56:00 PM
Artcolley - You are right - a whole lot of poor parenting been going on for a long time.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: msmarple on February 03, 2007, 09:58:03 PM
Quote from: "robots"
kids are funny, some are just hoping their parents say "no" occasionally

you have to be consistent and no when to give and when NOT to give

 8)


I agree, and also teaching children that THEY also have the absolute right to say NO.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: robots on February 03, 2007, 09:59:38 PM
i dont care what anyone says.. i have seen deterence work many times 8)


if drunk drivers KNEW ahead of time they would LOSE their car and  
spend 1 year in jail and pay a fine of 25,000.00 grand

i think we could stop a lot of drunk driving


same goes with these bastards.....you get caught

how does 30 years working in the fields
eating bread and water sound?


i hate these people


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: nomad on February 03, 2007, 10:00:30 PM
Goodnight, IBE.  Sweet Dreams!

I'm off, too. Goodnight everyone!

Prayers for the soul of Kaitlin, for her family and loved ones, for Cubbee, and Natalee, Beth, and Dave.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: msmarple on February 03, 2007, 10:01:14 PM
Well, there's one thing about it - if this Mark Lewis turns out to be the guy, he doesn't have a bargaining chip on giving up the location of her body.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: robots on February 03, 2007, 10:02:10 PM
Quote from: "msmarple"
Quote from: "robots"
kids are funny, some are just hoping their parents say "no" occasionally

you have to be consistent and no when to give and when NOT to give

 8)


I agree, and also teaching children that THEY also have the absolute right to say NO.


yes, you are correct

i have a sign ( hand written by me, several years ago ) just on a white sheet of paper.... right by the door... 8)   8)

no sheep allowed 8)
no whining about stupid things  8)
and dont take any CRAP from anyone  8)     EVER


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: San on February 03, 2007, 10:03:28 PM
Quote from: "robots"
Quote from: "mishy"
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
Fox was just covering the Amish school tragedy and there were a couple of folks from the Amish Community on. Their attitude was that although they didn't understand the reasons, God allowed it to happen and that He had a purpose for doing so. They cited their faith as helping to ease the pain and insisted that some of the money they received be given to the family of the shooter.

Sometimes I think my faith is strong, but when I hear something like that, I'm not so sure.


It's absolutely amazing how they were immediatley so forgiving and gracious regarding the tragedy that happened to their children...It's almost unfathomable. We sure need to take some lessons from them!


i will be the first to admit, i could not do it....

forgiveness is a funny thing for me...

i can forgive lots of things, especially when things that happen that are NOT on purpose....but out right EVIL....

i cant

I agree with you robots.  I will never forgive people like this.  They are evil and as far as I'm concerned they don't deserve a trial just executve them.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: robots on February 03, 2007, 10:04:31 PM
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "robots"
Quote from: "mishy"
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
Fox was just covering the Amish school tragedy and there were a couple of folks from the Amish Community on. Their attitude was that although they didn't understand the reasons, God allowed it to happen and that He had a purpose for doing so. They cited their faith as helping to ease the pain and insisted that some of the money they received be given to the family of the shooter.

Sometimes I think my faith is strong, but when I hear something like that, I'm not so sure.


It's absolutely amazing how they were immediatley so forgiving and gracious regarding the tragedy that happened to their children...It's almost unfathomable. We sure need to take some lessons from them!


i will be the first to admit, i could not do it....

forgiveness is a funny thing for me...

i can forgive lots of things, especially when things that happen that are NOT on purpose....but out right EVIL....

i cant

I agree with you robots.  I will never forgive people like this.  They are evil and as far as I'm concerned they don't deserve a trial just executve them.


im not sure Jesus would forgive them


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Artcolley on February 03, 2007, 10:06:33 PM
Quote from: "msmarple"
Artcolley - You are right - a whole lot of poor parenting been going on for a long time.


YEs,you are right.
You know, you can't love someone you don't respect. Now, if kids don't respect their parents just where are they supposed to learn love?
I think a lot of parents want their kids to be their "friends". Well, they often do become your best friends when they are adults, but when they are kids, there has to be a delineation of Parent/Child relationship.

Strange, animals don't have to be taught how to raise their young, lol!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Artcolley on February 03, 2007, 10:08:29 PM
Quote from: "robots"
i dont care what anyone says.. i have seen deterence work many times 8)


if drunk drivers KNEW ahead of time they would LOSE their car and  
spend 1 year in jail and pay a fine of 25,000.00 grand

i think we could stop a lot of drunk driving


same goes with these bastards.....you get caught

how does 30 years working in the fields
eating bread and water sound?


i hate these people



Personally I like that guy in Arizona that passes out the pink underwear to the inmates and feeds the peanut butter and jelly sandwiches and makes them live in tents.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Artcolley on February 03, 2007, 10:09:01 PM
Quote from: "nomad"
Goodnight, IBE.  Sweet Dreams!

I'm off, too. Goodnight everyone!

Prayers for the soul of Kaitlin, for her family and loved ones, for Cubbee, and Natalee, Beth, and Dave.


Nite, Nomad, good to see you again


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: robots on February 03, 2007, 10:09:03 PM
Quote from: "Artcolley"
Quote from: "robots"
i dont care what anyone says.. i have seen deterence work many times 8)


if drunk drivers KNEW ahead of time they would LOSE their car and  
spend 1 year in jail and pay a fine of 25,000.00 grand

i think we could stop a lot of drunk driving


same goes with these bastards.....you get caught

how does 30 years working in the fields
eating bread and water sound?


i hate these people



Personally I like that guy in Arizona that passes out the pink underwear to the inmates and feeds the peanut butter and jelly sandwiches and makes them live in tents.


yea, that works  :lol:

hiya Art


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Artcolley on February 03, 2007, 10:10:33 PM
Quote from: "robots"
Quote from: "Artcolley"
Quote from: "robots"
i dont care what anyone says.. i have seen deterence work many times 8)


if drunk drivers KNEW ahead of time they would LOSE their car and  
spend 1 year in jail and pay a fine of 25,000.00 grand

i think we could stop a lot of drunk driving


same goes with these bastards.....you get caught

how does 30 years working in the fields
eating bread and water sound?


i hate these people



Personally I like that guy in Arizona that passes out the pink underwear to the inmates and feeds the peanut butter and jelly sandwiches and makes them live in tents.


yea, that works  :lol:

hiya Art



HI Robots!!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Mere on February 03, 2007, 10:14:58 PM
I'm thinking an isolated island with no support systems....put them on a boat and each month....slow down near the island....dump them in the water and leave them there....all of them all by themselves...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Artcolley on February 03, 2007, 10:15:50 PM
Quote from: "MeMere"
I'm thinking an isolated island with no support systems....put them on a boat and each month....slow down near the island....dump them in the water and leave them there....all of them all by themselves...


oooo I LIKE that idea!!!!!  :twisted:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: mishy on February 03, 2007, 10:17:16 PM
Quote from: "msmarple"
Quote from: "robots"
kids are funny, some are just hoping their parents say "no" occasionally

you have to be consistent and no when to give and when NOT to give

 8)


I agree, and also teaching children that THEY also have the absolute right to say NO.


That's what we were trying to tell my 5 yo niece the other day. That just because someone has an idea, she doesn't have to follow. If she knows that it's wrong, she can say NO!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: robots on February 03, 2007, 10:17:36 PM
these Rapists   <----------i like to use this word

molestor - predator- animal - creep

dont get the point across well enough.. i dont think


they take adavantage of the weaker, smaller, younger


its EVIL........

forgiveness.??    not from me...

and frankly i pray Jesus doesnt forgive em either


what good does it do for the victim????

seems to me.....it helps the PERP get on with their lives



but thats just me....


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: robots on February 03, 2007, 10:18:46 PM
dont get me wrong...im not telling Jesus what to do  8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: robots on February 03, 2007, 10:19:30 PM
but if i was KING for a DAY....

they would all be living with SATAN


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Artcolley on February 03, 2007, 10:19:39 PM
Quote from: "robots"
these Rapists   <----------i like to use this word

molestor - predator- animal - creep

dont get the point across well enough.. i dont think


they take adavantage of the weaker, smaller, younger


its EVIL........

forgiveness.??    not from me...

and frankly i pray Jesus doesnt forgive em either


what good does it do for the victim????

seems to me.....it helps the PERP get on with their lives



but thats just me....



Yep. Rapists is a good word for them.
Cause its WHAT THEY ARE!!!! :evil:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: mishy on February 03, 2007, 10:19:43 PM
Quote from: "MeMere"
I'm thinking an isolated island with no support systems....put them on a boat and each month....slow down near the island....dump them in the water and leave them there....all of them all by themselves...


I love this idea. When they are all with their own kind, then they will see the hell they have put us all through first hand!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: SunFreak2 on February 03, 2007, 10:20:01 PM
Quote from: "Artcolley"
Quote from: "MeMere"
I'm thinking an isolated island with no support systems....put them on a boat and each month....slow down near the island....dump them in the water and leave them there....all of them all by themselves...


oooo I LIKE that idea!!!!!  :twisted:


I nominate ARUBA.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: robots on February 03, 2007, 10:21:03 PM
Quote from: "Artcolley"
Quote from: "robots"
these Rapists   <----------i like to use this word

molestor - predator- animal - creep

dont get the point across well enough.. i dont think


they take adavantage of the weaker, smaller, younger


its EVIL........

forgiveness.??    not from me...

and frankly i pray Jesus doesnt forgive em either


what good does it do for the victim????

seems to me.....it helps the PERP get on with their lives



but thats just me....



Yep. Rapists is a good word for them.
Cause its WHAT THEY ARE!!!! :evil:


yep


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Artcolley on February 03, 2007, 10:21:17 PM
Quote from: "SunFreak2"
Quote from: "Artcolley"
Quote from: "MeMere"
I'm thinking an isolated island with no support systems....put them on a boat and each month....slow down near the island....dump them in the water and leave them there....all of them all by themselves...


oooo I LIKE that idea!!!!!  :twisted:


I nominate ARUBA.


 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: yapperz1 on February 03, 2007, 10:24:15 PM
I 2nd the nomination    :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: robots on February 03, 2007, 10:24:24 PM
you know it wasnt that many years ago

that a few family members might take care of things themselves


justice

it worked well  :twisted:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Artcolley on February 03, 2007, 10:26:51 PM
Well, sweet monkeys, Its time for me to hit the hay.
Nite all!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: robots on February 03, 2007, 10:27:22 PM
Quote from: "Artcolley"
Well, sweet monkeys, Its time for me to hit the hay.
Nite all!


gnight

sleep well


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: msmarple on February 03, 2007, 10:28:38 PM
I am sorry I can't remember the details or a name for this story, but about 15-20 years ago there was a case in Florida. A man spent a long time in prison - maybe 20-30 years - for rape and murder.

When he was released, he was in his 60s. Within months, he raped and killed another woman.

Incurable.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Mere on February 03, 2007, 10:29:05 PM
I hate to jump in during the voting....but you don't want them on an island with high rise hotels and swimming pools....I am thinking austere....a few trees, a fresh water pond...and not much else....

....and I hate feeling like this...but these people stir up feelings in me that I normally do not have.  I hope that there is a solution before more of our children are taken from us....it is happening almost every day.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: msmarple on February 03, 2007, 10:30:16 PM
I don't think Aruba would be a good choice at all. Too many kindred spirits there.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: mishy on February 03, 2007, 10:30:31 PM
Quote from: "Artcolley"
Well, sweet monkeys, Its time for me to hit the hay.
Nite all!


'Night Artcolley...enjoyed talking to you tonight...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Mere on February 03, 2007, 10:30:37 PM
Goodnight Art..... :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on February 03, 2007, 10:30:45 PM
One of these days, I'm going to change my avatar to Pollyanna, but here goes:
I sincerely believe that nothing that happens to us in childhood is poured in concrete for the rest of our lives. Childhood abuse and tragedy just sets the hurdles; how hard we train ourselves to jump well, is our choice.

I do believe that there are urges for some people that will always be there. How they respond to those urges is their choice. How well they arm themselves with discipline, support, faith, distraction, determination, and self recognition and accountability, is a choice.

I also believe that it is contrary to the nature of God to leave any one of us in a condition without the ability to make the right choice. That may only be possible by first choosing Him, but I reject the notion that anyone hurts another because he couldn't help it. I believe the means is always provided to not "sin".

I honestly believe, in fact I know, that for every pedophile we see on the news, there are many with the same urges, implementing their decision to never act on them and living a life to insure it.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Cat on February 03, 2007, 10:46:16 PM
I think some people are born evil,but an enabling event triggers or activates this behavior.Look at aruba,joran was born a sociopath,enabled by his mother and shown examples by his elders.This demon commited what used to be a capital crime and got 2 yrs.We see these demons get off to often.In liberal Scandanavia ,the first offense for driving after drinking is 6 month at hard labor.2 offence,2 years,and so on.No appeal or trial,caught tonight,you are labor in the morning.Dr.Mead felt sociopaths should executed as soon as guilt is established.God can decide later on their soul,but they are to dangerous to haVE around.I do not feel safe around these evil doers.Cats are predators for food,not sport,like aruba.CAT


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Cat on February 03, 2007, 10:49:18 PM
You talk of triggers,CBB,but once triggered,they will not stop.I have never studied one who did,but may you never see the ones who exercise control.I don't know,I am a simple cat who believes in Grace AND CHOICE,but you have to atone for your sins.CAT


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on February 03, 2007, 10:50:45 PM
I agree with you Cat, that those who are acting on their own twisted needs to inflict themselves on others, should be helped along by society to meet their maker! I believe in capital punishment, and sex offenders are notoriously repeat offenders!

Actually, that "choice" I was speaking of, means the individual is VERY accountable for his actions.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: LilPuma on February 03, 2007, 10:50:48 PM
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
One of these days, I'm going to change my avatar to Pollyanna, but here goes:
I sincerely believe that nothing that happens to us in childhood is poured in concrete for the rest of our lives. Childhood abuse and tragedy just sets the hurdles; how hard we train ourselves to jump well, is our choice.



Crazybaby is very creative and talented and very very smart.  I agree with the rest of your post also, but given that we hear so many excuses from people these days for their own behavior, this jumped out at me.  And it's not just childhood hardships that put those hurdles out there.  We are responsible for OUR OWN actions, no matter what others have or are doing.  People who have been abused, often grow up to abuse.  That's fact.  But they know that what they're doing is wrong; they lie about it so they do know.  Not getting some kind of help to stop the cruel behavior towards children, spouses, elderly parents, animals or total strangers is inexcusable.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on February 03, 2007, 10:51:15 PM
I am just getting in, and so so sad to learn of sweet Kaitlin. When I look on the crying picture of her  Mother on their front porch, taken yesterday. It almost looks as though she alreay knew.....my prayers are with her Mother, family, and friends.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: LilPuma on February 03, 2007, 10:55:22 PM
Quote from: "Cat"
I think some people are born evil,but an enabling event triggers or activates this behavior.


IIRC, they studied the brain of Richard Speck after he died in prison.  They found that the portion of the brain that deals with emotions was signficantly smaller than that of an average person.  In other words, he had no feelings for anyone or anything.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: BIGORANGECRUSH on February 03, 2007, 10:55:40 PM
BOC on a sweep! Not too many banana peels to night! :D  :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: SunFreak2 on February 03, 2007, 10:59:22 PM
I am sitting here dumbfounded regarding Kaitlin.  I'm glad she has been found but prayed for the outcome to be different.  I hope her little body has all the evidence needed to hang the creep by the short & curlies.

It astounds me that everyday there are people hurting children, women, elderly and helpless animals.  We always read about it, but rarely does it strike so close to home.  When I was doing my Residency, the 16 yo boy accross the street murdered their live-in tenant who reportedly was trying to sexually abuse him.  That was the last time I ever had those thoughts that it couldn't/wouldn't happen in my neighborhood.

God Speed Kaitlin, and have mercy on her Mother.  My heart is broken for this family.  My prayers go up for this family in their time of need.  If the family needs help with expenses, I would be most willing to contribute.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: LilPuma on February 03, 2007, 11:01:50 PM
Quote from: "BIGORANGECRUSH"
BOC on a sweep! Not too many banana peels to night! :D  :D


I'm eating pears, oranges and blueberries these days, not bananas.   :D  I also think Tibro helps to keep things tidy.  I really hate when things get messy.   :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: BTgirl on February 03, 2007, 11:02:19 PM
Evening monkeys.

As many of you know, I work for a program that tries to help low-income pre-school children. It's a very sad fact that we have 4-year-old children who are totally out of control and who are already needing mental health professionals to work with them. They do whatever they want at home, and their parents allow it to happen. If people don't learn to take control of their children again, I'm very much afraid we are going to see more sad stories in the future.  :(


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: SunFreak2 on February 03, 2007, 11:10:11 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Evening monkeys.

As many of you know, I work for a program that tries to help low-income pre-school children. It's a very sad fact that we have 4-year-old children who are totally out of control and who are already needing mental health professionals to work with them. They do whatever they want at home, and their parents allow it to happen. If people don't learn to take control of their children again, I'm very much afraid we are going to see more sad stories in the future.  :(


BT - you are so right.  I used to do Head STart physicals on the children.  Most of these kids at 4 and 5 years old could not count to 10, or identify colors and shapes.  Most could not recite the beginning of the alphabet.  It truly is sad that their parents couldn't find the time to teach their child these simple lessons.  If the parent isn't disciplined enough to take care of their child properly and give them a good start, then how can we expect them to teach the child right from wrong and instill in the child a sense of love and self esteem?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Rob on February 03, 2007, 11:15:41 PM
New Evidence in the Adam Walsh case.
Connects Jeffery Damner to the case.

Damner in car and at mall on day Adam disappears.

Blue van involved.

Damner used van.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: BTgirl on February 03, 2007, 11:16:32 PM
Quote from: "SunFreak2"
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Evening monkeys.

As many of you know, I work for a program that tries to help low-income pre-school children. It's a very sad fact that we have 4-year-old children who are totally out of control and who are already needing mental health professionals to work with them. They do whatever they want at home, and their parents allow it to happen. If people don't learn to take control of their children again, I'm very much afraid we are going to see more sad stories in the future.  :(


BT - you are so right.  I used to do Head STart physicals on the children.  Most of these kids at 4 and 5 years old could not count to 10, or identify colors and shapes.  Most could not recite the beginning of the alphabet.  It truly is sad that their parents couldn't find the time to teach their child these simple lessons.  If the parent isn't disciplined enough to take care of their child properly and give them a good start, then how can we expect them to teach the child right from wrong and instill in the child a sense of love and self esteem?


Even more basic than that, SunFreak, is that there is no order or restraint in some of the children's lives. They have a difficult time with routine when they first come to our program because they've never been given any kind of schedule at home. They do whatever they want, whenever they want. I have to think if things don't change that we'll see more of them as teens doing the same kinds of things we've seen done to innocent tourists on Aruba.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: nonesuche on February 03, 2007, 11:22:24 PM
hi everyone-

I see the child Kaitlin must be the neighbor of Cubbee's that several of you emailed me about, how horribly tragic - poor Cubbee must be distraught too.

All these lovely children have to die at the hands of these monsters in such horrible circumstances, I struggle reconciling this even with faith.

Jeffrey Damner? Perish the thought he ever touched that child Adam Walsh.....

Just wanted to let Klaas and others know mom is sailing thru the kidney removal, just a champ at 76 years of age. thanks for all the emails asking, she's resting well and bouncing back nicely already.

take care all !


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on February 03, 2007, 11:22:57 PM
Quote from: "LilPuma"
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
One of these days, I'm going to change my avatar to Pollyanna, but here goes:
I sincerely believe that nothing that happens to us in childhood is poured in concrete for the rest of our lives. Childhood abuse and tragedy just sets the hurdles; how hard we train ourselves to jump well, is our choice.



Crazybaby is very creative and talented and very very smart.  I agree with the rest of your post also, but given that we hear so many excuses from people these days for their own behavior, this jumped out at me.  And it's not just childhood hardships that put those hurdles out there.  We are responsible for OUR OWN actions, no matter what others have or are doing.  People who have been abused, often grow up to abuse.  That's fact.  But they know that what they're doing is wrong; they lie about it so they do know.  Not getting some kind of help to stop the cruel behavior towards children, spouses, elderly parents, animals or total strangers is inexcusable.


Lil Puma, I've known for almost 20 years, through accidental knowledge from the minister at my church, that a fellow member sought counselling for inappropriate sexual fantasies and urges. The man is approximately  50 yrs old at this point, and has never married. He is an extremely hard worker in all church functions, an avid attender of Bible studies outside of "Sunday", and a joy to be around. I've never told anyone about what I came to be aware of, and so maybe I'm the only one that notices the only functions he doesn't volunteer for, or always has a conflict that makes him unavailable for, is youth group activities. He'll help build the playground, or donate to the summer trips, but he's always absent from the actual activities.

I know of three patients who have been in therapy for 10-15 years and began before age 20, to self support their decision to address thoughts that they felt they couldn't control in the beginning. Without exception, they have chosen to remain in therapy even though their struggle has diminished to the point that other things are usually the topic of sessions. Each of these men have built a life that includes a healthy array of choices in their life. It may be that I live in the traditional "Bible Belt", but all are active in church, interested and vested in their jobs, and actively living life. One is rather recently married, and insisted on his wife to be to accompany him to therapy before they said "I Do". He's never been happier, and cried harder than the bride's mother at the wedding!

The point is, these guys, without exception, have never hurt anyone, recognized that something was wrong, and made a choice to seek help. I'm aware that there's been a difference of opinion among the therapists as to whether one really needs to keep coming, but it's a moot point. He won't stop, admits it may be a "crutch" and recognizes that he hasn't been tormented by inappropriate thoughts in years. It doesn't matter, he will not stop attending. His insurance stopped paying years ago, and it doesn't matter. His "infrastructure" that he created by choice, has brought him happiness and he's not about to change a thing. He'd be the first to say that he's been blessed to "add" to his life, but the foundation has to remain strong to support the build up.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Bobo2 on February 03, 2007, 11:23:45 PM
Quote from: "Rob"
New Evidence in the Adam Walsh case.
Connects Jeffery Damner to the case.

Damner in car and at mall on day Adam disappears.

Blue van involved.

Damner used van.


Wouldn't he have been very young at the time of Adam's disappearance and murder?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Rob on February 03, 2007, 11:26:34 PM
Quote from: "Bobo2"
Quote from: "Rob"
New Evidence in the Adam Walsh case.
Connects Jeffery Damner to the case.

Damner in car and at mall on day Adam disappears.

Blue van involved.

Damner used van.


Wouldn't he have been very young at the time of Adam's disappearance and murder?


Adam was murdered in 91... so Damner is a likely candidate and there is emerging evidence in the case... more will be known very shortly. John Walsh wants the case reopened and Damner re-investigated. Witnesses place
Damner at the scene.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: klaasend on February 03, 2007, 11:26:46 PM
Quote from: "nonesuche"
hi everyone-

I see the child Kaitlin must be the neighbor of Cubbee's that several of you emailed me about, how horribly tragic - poor Cubbee must be distraught too.

All these lovely children have to die at the hands of these monsters in such horrible circumstances, I struggle reconciling this even with faith.

Jeffrey Damner? Perish the thought he ever touched that child Adam Walsh.....

Just wanted to let Klaas and others know mom is sailing thru the kidney removal, just a champ at 76 years of age. thanks for all the emails asking, she's resting well and bouncing back nicely already.

take care all !

Great news about your mom!

I'm pretty down right now after what this monster did to Kaitlin.  Watched a movie but it didn't help.  Probably won't be posting alot tonight.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: SunFreak2 on February 03, 2007, 11:26:48 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "SunFreak2"
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Evening monkeys.

As many of you know, I work for a program that tries to help low-income pre-school children. It's a very sad fact that we have 4-year-old children who are totally out of control and who are already needing mental health professionals to work with them. They do whatever they want at home, and their parents allow it to happen. If people don't learn to take control of their children again, I'm very much afraid we are going to see more sad stories in the future.  :(


BT - you are so right.  I used to do Head STart physicals on the children.  Most of these kids at 4 and 5 years old could not count to 10, or identify colors and shapes.  Most could not recite the beginning of the alphabet.  It truly is sad that their parents couldn't find the time to teach their child these simple lessons.  If the parent isn't disciplined enough to take care of their child properly and give them a good start, then how can we expect them to teach the child right from wrong and instill in the child a sense of love and self esteem?


Even more basic than that, SunFreak, is that there is no order or restraint in some of the children's lives. They have a difficult time with routine when they first come to our program because they've never been given any kind of schedule at home. They do whatever they want, whenever they want. I have to think if things don't change that we'll see more of them as teens doing the same kinds of things we've seen done to innocent tourists on Aruba.


Maybe I didn't express it right, but I think the first thing missing in these kids lives is love.  I wonder if these kids have ever been hugged or comforted?  And what is saddest, I think, is that many of these children have a parent that doesn't work outside the home, yet that parent can't find the time to love and teach their child "yes & no" and "right & wrong" let alone colors & shapes, numbers & letters.   That means the parent is not spending time with the child or is there only physically, not mentally or emotionally.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on February 03, 2007, 11:27:24 PM
Quote from: "Bobo2"
Quote from: "Rob"
New Evidence in the Adam Walsh case.
Connects Jeffery Damner to the case.

Damner in car and at mall on day Adam disappears.

Blue van involved.

Damner used van.


Wouldn't he have been very young at the time of Adam's disappearance and murder?


That's what I was thinking..........when was Adam killed?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Bobo2 on February 03, 2007, 11:30:33 PM
According to Wikipedia - birthdate May 21, 1960.
Adam abducted July 27, 1981.

Yes, I guess he would have been old enough, and certainly capable of such evil.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on February 03, 2007, 11:30:38 PM
I just went to look up Dahmer's age, but I just can't do it. I'm like Klaas.......just down. I read a sentence or two and hit overload. It's just too much!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on February 03, 2007, 11:32:30 PM
Quote from: "Bobo2"
According to Wikipedia - birthdate May 21, 1960.
Adam abducted July 27, 1981.

Yes, I guess he would have been old enough, and certainly capable of such evil.


Thanks, Bobo. Yeah, he would have been old enough.............
geeez..........


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Rob on February 03, 2007, 11:33:00 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"


I'm pretty down right now after what this monster did to Kaitlin.  Watched a movie but it didn't help.  Probably won't be posting alot tonight.


Klaas-
Im pretty down right now too... I dont know how this family will deal. It seems Ms. Aydell is going to need all the support she can get.

This one was hard than most for some reason. Guess maybe because it was Cubbee's neighbor...or maybe it was Kaitlin's smile. I dont know... its so hard to accept.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Sue on February 03, 2007, 11:33:03 PM
The Adam Walsh Story

On July 27, 1981, 6-year-old Adam Walsh and his mother Revé went to a department store about a mile away from their home to shop for lamps. When they entered the store Adam saw several children playing video games on a television monitor and asked if he could stay to play. His mother let him stay and went to the lamp department, which was about 75 feet away. Because the lamp she wanted was not in stock she returned rather quickly, less than 10 minutes later, but couldn’t find Adam. After looking for Adam on her own for two hours, someone finally called the local police department. By the end of that week thousands of fliers with Adam’s photograph were distributed through the local area. Sixteen days after Adam disappeared from the store his body was found and identified.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Bobo2 on February 03, 2007, 11:33:17 PM
John Walsh is my hero.  If he thinks Adam's case should be reopened and investigated, then I will do whatever I can to make it happen - letter writing,etc.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on February 03, 2007, 11:34:45 PM
SunFreak, and BT: Oh you girls go! That's where it starts and that's where a difference should be made. I've come to believe we should have proficiency tests for prospective parents!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: BTgirl on February 03, 2007, 11:34:57 PM
Quote from: "SunFreak2"

Maybe I didn't express it right, but I think the first thing missing in these kids lives is love.  I wonder if these kids have ever been hugged or comforted?  And what is saddest, I think, is that many of these children have a parent that doesn't work outside the home, yet that parent can't find the time to love and teach their child "yes & no" and "right & wrong" let alone colors & shapes, numbers & letters.   That means the parent is not spending time with the child or is there only physically, not mentally or emotionally.


Yes, I agree with you totally. Some people have children only because they had sex with someone. There is little or no desire to actually parent a child. And it seems that in many cases, the less the person wants to be a parent, the more children they have. We have one family where the mom is only 19, and she already has 4 children. She doesn't work outside the home, and they lead a life of subsistence, existing on free public housing, food stamps, etc. It's so sad to see how little chance some of these children have.  :(


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Rob on February 03, 2007, 11:37:08 PM
Im gonna get going. Good Nite Monks-

Remember fighting the good fight sometimes brings set back and misery for people with know and love.

I wish I had more words to soothe an aching heart, but I dont. Just know that I care. Thats all I have right now to try and ease the pain.

Good nite-


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: BTgirl on February 03, 2007, 11:37:39 PM
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
SunFreak, and BT: Oh you girls go! That's where it starts and that's where a difference should be made. I've come to believe we should have proficiency tests for prospective parents!


I have an even more drastic proposal that I'm sure wouldn't be very popular in many circles.  :lol:

I think all people of childbearing age should be put on some kind of birth control. The only way to get the antidote and become able to bear children would be to pass a test to prove that you could actually parent a child. Those who couldn't pass the test couldn't have children.

I'll bet the crime rate would drastically fall if that ever happened!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on February 03, 2007, 11:39:40 PM
I'm going to get flamed, but I would love a debate on this:

Since long term birth control is available in 6 month effectiveness, 1 injection doses, what about requiring that for any mom who is on public assistance after their first child, until they are able to support that child without public assistance?

OK, I'm ducking........


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on February 03, 2007, 11:40:33 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
SunFreak, and BT: Oh you girls go! That's where it starts and that's where a difference should be made. I've come to believe we should have proficiency tests for prospective parents!


I have an even more drastic proposal that I'm sure wouldn't be very popular in many circles.  :lol:

I think all people of childbearing age should be put on some kind of birth control. The only way to get the antidote and become able to bear children would be to pass a test to prove that you could actually parent a child. Those who couldn't pass the test couldn't have children.

I'll bet the crime rate would drastically fall if that ever happened!


 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:
I was typing, as you were posting!  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on February 03, 2007, 11:41:42 PM
I'll vote for yours, BT, and I'd bet you'd vote for mine!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: BTgirl on February 03, 2007, 11:45:32 PM
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
I'll vote for yours, BT, and I'd bet you'd vote for mine!


Oh my goodness yes!!! :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: BTgirl on February 03, 2007, 11:47:53 PM
I'm heading off to sleep now, so if I've made anyone angry and they want to throw darts, now would be a good time to do it.  :lol:

God bless the family of Kaitlin and all those who have lost loved ones in such tragic circumstances.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on February 03, 2007, 11:54:27 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
I'll vote for yours, BT, and I'd bet you'd vote for mine!


Oh my goodness yes!!! :D


I actually heard something similar suggested on a talk show once, and it almost caused a riot.

There were several second generation welfare Mothers with multiple children on the show, and there were screams of "The government has no right to tell me how to run my personal life!" and "I love children, and that's my purpose in life, it's my right to have as many kids as I want!"

That same program had a guy who had done a long term ( 20 year ) study of kids who were raised by either a stay at home parent or a relative kept them during preschool age vs. daycare. His results after following the "success" of these kids showed that it was better to live below the economic poverty line than to leave your kids with someone who wasn't vested with love for them (grandparent, Mom, Dad, etc).

That one brought the fire, too!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on February 03, 2007, 11:55:55 PM
Nite, BT!

I'm going to make a quick retreat if those darts start flying!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: LilPuma on February 03, 2007, 11:58:12 PM
I think the problem is we've isolated ourselves in our homes and cars, kids are in their rooms with their own phones and computers, we don't know our neighbors.  If a neighbor or teacher complains about the child, the parent gets angry with the school or the neighbor.  If a kid gets in trouble it's someone else's fault.  We sue everyone.  It's always someone else's fault.  Miss USA and Lindsay and Brittany and Paris get away with their behavior and our kids learn to value getting away with it and not caring what people think rather than being ashamed of getting caught and suffering the consequences.  How we raise our kids is a reflection of how we live and behave.  If we don't take responsibility for our own actions, our children will learn that they don't have to either.   Somewhere the other day I read, "It's easier to look out the window than in the mirror."


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on February 03, 2007, 11:59:42 PM
You're on a roll tonight Puma!

Do we have an emoticon that nods vigorously in agreement????


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: LilPuma on February 04, 2007, 12:10:17 AM
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
You're on a roll tonight Puma!

Do we have an emoticon that nods vigorously in agreement????


I've often wanted one of those!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on February 04, 2007, 12:10:38 AM
I'm going to get ready for bed.

Prayers are going to take a little longer tonight.

Tomorrow is another day, and if the bad is getting worse, we're going to have to be good and get better! Light is stronger than darkness. Light one candle and darkness flees!

Goodnight guys! Sleep well!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: dkpen on February 04, 2007, 12:18:07 AM
Dear Lord above, I just found out about little Kaitlin. I am so heart broken for her mother and family. This is so horrible. The sorry bastard, I hope he rots in hell for what he did to this precious child.

cubbee, please give my condolences to Kaitlins mother, family and friends. I just feel sick about this. I was so hoping she would be found alive. So hoping and praying. Words can not express how I truly feel.


I can only will my energy and strength to her mother to keep her strong in this time. <sobs as I write these words>

God bless~


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Elaine on February 04, 2007, 12:27:54 AM
What a sad night. Poor Kaitlin, I wondered all day about her, and was afraid to read here when I got home, because I had a bad feeling after last night, and our discussion about the suspect. God bless her Mom!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Elaine on February 04, 2007, 12:30:35 AM
{{{{{Hugs to you Cubee}}}}}


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: jobie on February 04, 2007, 12:47:04 AM
Quote from: "nomad"
Quote from: "mishy"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "yapperz1"
Locking them up does not solve the problem. Something in them is broken beyond repair . Our lawmakers have got to make it a one strike & your out law. IMO get em out of the USA. Put em somewhere where they can't hurt anyone but themselves.

 

I agree YAP..


I'm right there with ya'll. When someone has something like this in them, I believe there is some deep seated mental illness going on . Consider Lewis' past criminal record. Just like Joran will do it again, Lewis took it a step further this time....  :evil:  :evil:  :evil:


I so agree YAP and Mishy. I sometimes feel it is just plain evil possessing them and they are lost forever.


Good evening Monkeys.  This is just terrible, terrible news.  I was praying Katlin would be found alive.  I think Devil's Island would be an appropiate  place for pervert, killers, and cowardly creatures like  whoever is responsible for this lovely child's death.  I am beyond words..


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on February 04, 2007, 12:54:11 AM
What a sad day.  Little Kaitlin is now in the care of the gentle loving Angels.  My heart goes out to her mother and family and friends, and to our Cubbee.  I do not know how you will cope with this and manage to live through the coming days.  Reach out and take the hand of God and allow Him to support and strengthen you in the painful times ahead.  My prayers for you all.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: cubbeegirl on February 04, 2007, 12:56:14 AM
I want the sick bastard who killed Kaitlin to die....


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: dkpen on February 04, 2007, 12:57:36 AM
Klaas, is there any way by chance you can set up something we can donate money to send to Ms Aydell or to cubbee for Flowers from the Scared Monkeys so they can be placed at...<sighs>...at the funeral service? And maybe send a card along with it or we can send cards personally? Please, I want to help anyway I can.   :cry:


God bless~


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: klaasend on February 04, 2007, 01:09:25 AM
Quote from: "cubbeegirl"
I want the sick bastard who killed Kaitlin to die....


Me too Cubbee


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: klaasend on February 04, 2007, 01:10:10 AM
Quote from: "dkpen"
Klaas, is there any way by chance you can set up something we can donate money to send to Ms Aydell or to cubbee for Flowers from the Scared Monkeys so they can be placed at...<sighs>...at the funeral service? And maybe send a card along with it or we can send cards personally? Please, I want to help anyway I can.   :cry:


God bless~

I'll ask Red about it.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on February 04, 2007, 01:10:11 AM
Quote from: "cubbeegirl"
I want the sick bastard who killed Kaitlin to die....


He'll just have to wait in line, 16 ahead of him on death row in Louisiana. Give him alittle time to think about what he has done. Death would be the easy way out.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: klaasend on February 04, 2007, 01:11:03 AM
All these men need to meet the same fate, IMO

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/evil.gif)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: cubbeegirl on February 04, 2007, 01:21:08 AM
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
Quote from: "cubbeegirl"
I want the sick bastard who killed Kaitlin to die....


He'll just have to wait in line, 16 ahead of him on death row in Louisiana. Give him alittle time to think about what he has done. Death would be the easy way out.



Well, if he gets off easy this time he better run hard and fast as there are alot of bayou coon asses who want to deliver the death penalty to him...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: jobie on February 04, 2007, 01:21:43 AM
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
I'm going to get flamed, but I would love a debate on this:

Since long term birth control is available in 6 month effectiveness, 1 injection doses, what about requiring that for any mom who is on public assistance after their first child, until they are able to support that child without public assistance?

OK, I'm ducking........


I for one think this would be a great idea!  When newborn babies start showing up in dumpsters and other sad places, mandatory birth control is needed.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: cubbeegirl on February 04, 2007, 01:23:26 AM
Quote from: "klaasend"
All these men need to meet the same fate, IMO

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/evil.gif)



I agree klaas and it makes me physically ill to think that his face was the last thing that baby saw...
She fought hard and it looks like she may have given us the forensic evidence to put him away ....


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: klaasend on February 04, 2007, 01:24:57 AM
Cubbee - had you ever even seen this monster before?  Did you know he even lived there?  Did the family have any idea of his past record?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: cubbeegirl on February 04, 2007, 01:29:20 AM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Cubbee - had you ever even seen this monster before?  Did you know he even lived there?  Did the family have any idea of his past record?


I dont recall ever seeing him around klaas, in fact I always thought it strange that the only people I ever saw around the house were his kids or step kids playing in the yard. The family had no idea of his past record, he told his wife that he had been in jail for nonsupport and she believed him.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: klaasend on February 04, 2007, 01:31:19 AM
Quote from: "cubbeegirl"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Cubbee - had you ever even seen this monster before?  Did you know he even lived there?  Did the family have any idea of his past record?


I dont recall ever seeing him around klaas, in fact I always thought it strange that the only people I ever saw around the house were his kids or step kids playing in the yard. The family had no idea of his past record, he told his wife that he had been in jail for nonsupport and she believed him.

How horrible for the entire family.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on February 04, 2007, 01:33:28 AM
Cubbee..........I couldn't sleep and checked back here. I want to tell you how sorry I am about Kaitlin. HUGS to you and I'm praying for her family.  :cry:

It's been a hard and sad day for you and I think we've all been just deflated all day.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: cubbeegirl on February 04, 2007, 01:36:50 AM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "cubbeegirl"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Cubbee - had you ever even seen this monster before?  Did you know he even lived there?  Did the family have any idea of his past record?


I dont recall ever seeing him around klaas, in fact I always thought it strange that the only people I ever saw around the house were his kids or step kids playing in the yard. The family had no idea of his past record, he told his wife that he had been in jail for nonsupport and she believed him.

How horrible for the entire family.


It is a nightmare, the rumors came out at 4:00 that she had been found and the Sheriff's office did not come to confirm until around 8:00 so it was a very long evening. I dont think I have ever been so emotionally drained.Besides grief there is a lot of guilt feelings going on in that family , as if anyone knew .....The poor mother is devastated.....


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: jobie on February 04, 2007, 01:37:15 AM
Quote from: "cubbeegirl"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Cubbee - had you ever even seen this monster before?  Did you know he even lived there?  Did the family have any idea of his past record?


I dont recall ever seeing him around klaas, in fact I always thought it strange that the only people I ever saw around the house were his kids or step kids playing in the yard. The family had no idea of his past record, he told his wife that he had been in jail for nonsupport and she believed him.


Cubbee - my heart goes out to you and Katlins family.  I cannot even fathom the Mother's dispair.  My heart is heavy.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: cubbeegirl on February 04, 2007, 01:38:42 AM
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
Cubbee..........I couldn't sleep and checked back here. I want to tell you how sorry I am about Kaitlin. HUGS to you and I'm praying for her family.  :cry:

It's been a hard and sad day for you and I think we've all been just deflated all day.


Thanks cbb... I cant sleep either, I keep imagining the terror KK must have felt... and then I start bawling like a baby... my head is pounding from crying .... I want him to die....


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: cubbeegirl on February 04, 2007, 01:39:56 AM
Quote from: "jobie"
Quote from: "cubbeegirl"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Cubbee - had you ever even seen this monster before?  Did you know he even lived there?  Did the family have any idea of his past record?


I dont recall ever seeing him around klaas, in fact I always thought it strange that the only people I ever saw around the house were his kids or step kids playing in the yard. The family had no idea of his past record, he told his wife that he had been in jail for nonsupport and she believed him.


Cubbee - my heart goes out to you and Katlins family.  I cannot even fathom the Mother's dispair.  My heart is heavy.


Thanks jobie


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on February 04, 2007, 01:40:59 AM
Quote from: "cubbeegirl"
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
Cubbee..........I couldn't sleep and checked back here. I want to tell you how sorry I am about Kaitlin. HUGS to you and I'm praying for her family.  :cry:

It's been a hard and sad day for you and I think we've all been just deflated all day.


Thanks cbb... I cant sleep either, I keep imagining the terror KK must have felt... and then I start bawling like a baby... my head is pounding from crying .... I want him to die....


So do I, Cubbee. If it helps, his stint in jail will not be easy. Child molesters and murderers of children live to regret it in there. And with any luck at all, he'll have an execution to think about in his spare time.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: robots on February 04, 2007, 01:43:13 AM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "cubbeegirl"
I want the sick bastard who killed Kaitlin to die....


Me too Cubbee



me too


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on February 04, 2007, 01:44:03 AM
Jobie, I feel like you.............my heart is heavy. I think that Cubbee's proximity to this has brought this sadness to us personally, made it more real.

Cubbee............do they know how she died?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: cubbeegirl on February 04, 2007, 01:44:20 AM
Quote from: "robots"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "cubbeegirl"
I want the sick bastard who killed Kaitlin to die....


Me too Cubbee



me too



I hate him...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: dkpen on February 04, 2007, 01:46:36 AM
cubbee,

I asked Klaas if there is a way we can set up something to send donations to Ms Aydell or to send money for flowers from Scared Monkeys with card. Is there anything you think we can do to help that Ms Aydell may need? Anything at all? I know words alone can not help, words are just not enough.

I hope Ms Aydell will visit her physician for seditives to help her sleep. I know she will be drained emotionally and physically. She will need as much rest and strength for the next few weeks before she can even come to terms. I hope her work will realize this and give this poor mother the time she needs to recover over this sad sad tradgedy.

My heart pours out to Ms Aydell, family and friends. They are in my thoughts and prayers for comfort and strength.

God bless~


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: cubbeegirl on February 04, 2007, 01:46:58 AM
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
Jobie, I feel like you.............my heart is heavy. I think that Cubbee's proximity to this has brought this sadness to us personally, made it more real.

Cubbee............do they know how she died?




Early speculation from the dectives is that she was strangled or smothered.... she was NOT raped.... I think he did not think she would put up such a fight and he paniced, killed her and threw her away like garbage....


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on February 04, 2007, 01:47:17 AM
Quote from: "jobie"
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
I'm going to get flamed, but I would love a debate on this:

Since long term birth control is available in 6 month effectiveness, 1 injection doses, what about requiring that for any mom who is on public assistance after their first child, until they are able to support that child without public assistance?

OK, I'm ducking........


I for one think this would be a great idea!  When newborn babies start showing up in dumpsters and other sad places, mandatory birth control is needed.


I agree.  When you know what adopting parents have to go through to adopt a baby and how long they have to wait, while these irresponsible so-called parents just keep on reproducing for the welfare payments and then do not bother to care for them or teach them even the basics of life or just abandon them when things get too difficult and they can no longer be bothered and the baby is a hindrance and no longer a novelty it is time for some drastic measures.  Forget all the do-gooders who say you must let people choose for themselves and they have the right to live as they please.  When they show that they have some responsibility firstly for themselves and their own actions, and after that for any possible offspring, they can be allowed to have children.
JMHO


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: justinsmama on February 04, 2007, 01:48:18 AM
cubbee~ I am so sorry. That poor child.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: LilPuma on February 04, 2007, 01:48:34 AM
Sometimes I think the world has gotten so crazy that God is taking some of his little angels back early.  My prayers tonight will certainly include Cubbee and Kaitlin's family, all the people in Central Florida that lost so much in the tornadoes, and Artcolley.  Good night, everyone.  Sad sad day.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: justinsmama on February 04, 2007, 01:49:54 AM
Does Louisiana have the death penality?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: cubbeegirl on February 04, 2007, 01:50:42 AM
Quote from: "dkpen"
cubbee,

I asked Klaas if there is a way we can set up something to send donations to Ms Aydell or to send money for flowers from Scared Monkeys with card. Is there anything you think we can do to help that Ms Aydell may need? Anything at all? I know words alone can not help, words are just not enough.

I hope Ms Aydell will visit her physician for seditives to help her sleep. I know she will be drained emotionally and physically. She will need as much rest and strength for the next few weeks before she can even come to terms. I hope her work will realize this and give this poor mother the time she needs to recover over this sad sad tradgedy.

My heart pours out to Ms Aydell, family and friends. They are in my thoughts and prayers for comfort and strength.

God bless~



There will be a fund set up on Monday announced over the news to cover expenses etc. Her work has been wonderful, they have all been there alot including her big boss who is sending out a grief counselor for her which the company will pay for. He said that she can take a family leave and return when she is ready.Right now I wonder if she will ever be ready.
The sickest feeling I had was when we saw the two men detectives and the woman detective walk through the door, cause we knew that what we feared was about to be confirmed...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on February 04, 2007, 01:51:16 AM
Justins........I haven't looked it up, but someone posted earlier that Louisianna does have the death penalty.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on February 04, 2007, 01:51:33 AM
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
Quote from: "cubbeegirl"
I want the sick bastard who killed Kaitlin to die....


He'll just have to wait in line, 16 ahead of him on death row in Louisiana. Give him alittle time to think about what he has done. Death would be the easy way out.


Just let him out amongst the other prisoners who although they are criminals themselves they hate child molesters.  They call them rock spiders and they mete out their own kind of justice.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: cubbeegirl on February 04, 2007, 01:51:55 AM
Quote from: "justinsmama"
Does Louisiana have the death penality?



Yes, we do... we also have the bayou style cajun death penalty in case he walks....


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Leslie on February 04, 2007, 01:54:14 AM
What a frigging senseless crime!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on February 04, 2007, 01:55:43 AM
I'm sure that you've spent all day trying to make sense of this, Cubbee......it's the nature of good people to try to understand. Is there any indication of what his motive was? I mean, is he a pedophile, or something like a seriel killer............what's his sick?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: dkpen on February 04, 2007, 01:56:38 AM
"There will be a fund set up on Monday announced over the news to cover expenses etc."

cubbee...

Please post that information for us for those who would like to donate to help Ms Aydell.  

And I still would like if the Scared Monkeys (on volunteer basis) would donate money for flowers, for Kaitlins funeral service.


God bless Kaitlin. She must of really put up a fight for this monster to do what he did. Thank God he did not get the chance to rape her too.

 I hope they lock him in a cell and throw the key away. Let those in jail take care of him. Justice will be served.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: cubbeegirl on February 04, 2007, 01:57:02 AM
Quote from: "Leslie"
What a frigging senseless crime!



Yes it is... we are sick over it.. she was like one of our own kids...my husband was the first man she ever warmed up to...he helped it along with cookies... :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: cubbeegirl on February 04, 2007, 01:59:11 AM
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
I'm sure that you've spent all day trying to make sense of this, Cubbee......it's the nature of good people to try to understand. Is there any indication of what his motive was? I mean, is he a pedophile, or something like a seriel killer............what's his sick?



CBB... I can only sit and cry and ask why......my husband tells me to forget trying to figure out how such a sick mind could work because I am too kind to ever imagine it...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: cubbeegirl on February 04, 2007, 02:01:29 AM
For the person who asked, we have gotten a prescription for the mother...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: cubbeegirl on February 04, 2007, 02:03:40 AM
Quote from: "dkpen"
"There will be a fund set up on Monday announced over the news to cover expenses etc."

cubbee...

Please post that information for us for those who would like to donate to help Ms Aydell.  

And I still would like if the Scared Monkeys (on volunteer basis) would donate money for flowers, for Kaitlins funeral service.


God bless Kaitlin. She must of really put up a fight for this monster to do what he did. Thank God he did not get the chance to rape her too.

 I hope they lock him in a cell and throw the key away. Let those in jail take care of him. Justice will be served.



He does not deserve a warm cell with a bed and three meals a day...
He does not deserve to walk the face of this earth...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on February 04, 2007, 02:09:16 AM
Cubbe......I imagine that cell will be warmer than he'd like, and that he'll eat when cellmates tell him he can.

As far as walking this earth, my bet is he's going to be walking stiffly.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on February 04, 2007, 02:11:24 AM
I remember seeing the prisoners during Katrina.........

They didn't look like the Welcome Wagon, to me.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: jobie on February 04, 2007, 02:12:48 AM
Quote from: "cubbeegirl"
Quote from: "dkpen"
"There will be a fund set up on Monday announced over the news to cover expenses etc."

cubbee...

Please post that information for us for those who would like to donate to help Ms Aydell.  

And I still would like if the Scared Monkeys (on volunteer basis) would donate money for flowers, for Kaitlins funeral service.


God bless Kaitlin. She must of really put up a fight for this monster to do what he did. Thank God he did not get the chance to rape her too.

 I hope they lock him in a cell and throw the key away. Let those in jail take care of him. Justice will be served.



He does not deserve a warm cell with a bed and three meals a day...
He does not deserve to walk the face of this earth...


I believe a person who commits a murder should be put to death in the same manner he used to commit the crime.  Not lay on a table and gently go to sleep and never wake up.  JMO


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: cubbeegirl on February 04, 2007, 02:15:14 AM
Quote from: "jobie"
Quote from: "cubbeegirl"
Quote from: "dkpen"
"There will be a fund set up on Monday announced over the news to cover expenses etc."

cubbee...

Please post that information for us for those who would like to donate to help Ms Aydell.  

And I still would like if the Scared Monkeys (on volunteer basis) would donate money for flowers, for Kaitlins funeral service.


God bless Kaitlin. She must of really put up a fight for this monster to do what he did. Thank God he did not get the chance to rape her too.

 I hope they lock him in a cell and throw the key away. Let those in jail take care of him. Justice will be served.



He does not deserve a warm cell with a bed and three meals a day...
He does not deserve to walk the face of this earth...


I believe a person who commits a murder should be put to death in the same manner he used to commit the crime.  Not lay on a table and gently go to sleep and never wake up.  JMO



My son wants them to do to him what he did to KK over and over and over and over again for the rest of his life...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: dkpen on February 04, 2007, 02:15:18 AM
No...you are right...he does not deserve any rights of comfort or life for what he's done.  
But, the law takes controll of those matters, as much as we'd like too, and with him behind bars for the rest of his born days, I believe and feel those there with him will take care of him. Justice will be served. Just a matter of time, but it will be served.

You will feel many different emotions. Take the time hun and sit with  your family. Being here I know is a way to vent and get it out, but, maybe right now you might need quiet time? I don't mean to tell you what you need, by no means, but I can tell you are very very upset and becoming angry. Your emotions will be like a roller coaster. Please take some time. <<HUGS>

cubbee everyone cares deeply for you here. We share the pain in our hearts with you. Please take our strength and love with you tonight and know we are there in heart.

I am going to bed now. It has been a long day. Emotionally drained. Please let us know if there is anything we can do.

Thoughts, prayers and love go out to you, Kaitlin, her mother, family and friends.

G'night everyone and as always...

God bless~


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: cubbeegirl on February 04, 2007, 02:16:58 AM
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
Cubbe......I imagine that cell will be warmer than he'd like, and that he'll eat when cellmates tell him he can.

As far as walking this earth, my bet is he's going to be walking stiffly.



I can only hope...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: jobie on February 04, 2007, 02:17:35 AM
Quote from: "jobie"
Quote from: "cubbeegirl"
Quote from: "dkpen"
"There will be a fund set up on Monday announced over the news to cover expenses etc."

cubbee...

Please post that information for us for those who would like to donate to help Ms Aydell.  

And I still would like if the Scared Monkeys (on volunteer basis) would donate money for flowers, for Kaitlins funeral service.


God bless Kaitlin. She must of really put up a fight for this monster to do what he did. Thank God he did not get the chance to rape her too.

 I hope they lock him in a cell and throw the key away. Let those in jail take care of him. Justice will be served.



He does not deserve a warm cell with a bed and three meals a day...
He does not deserve to walk the face of this earth...


I believe a person who commits a murder should be put to death in the same manner he used to commit the crime.  Not lay on a table and gently go to sleep and never wake up.  JMO


Goodnight Monkeys.  May God bless this family and the angels rock Katilin in their arms forever.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: klaasend on February 04, 2007, 02:18:05 AM
GOODNIGHT ALL!

Let's pray that tomorrow is a better day and pray these MONSTERS taken care of.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on February 04, 2007, 02:19:48 AM
Goodnight Jobie and DK. Sleep soundly.

Cubbee............have you eaten anything? How is your hubby doing?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on February 04, 2007, 02:20:35 AM
Night Klaas! I join you in those sentiments!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on February 04, 2007, 02:20:39 AM
Time for me to log out also.

Cubbee if you are still here -  Hugs for you and prayers for all who loved Kaitlin.

Goodnight all


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on February 04, 2007, 02:21:14 AM
Night Tibro!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: cubbeegirl on February 04, 2007, 02:23:41 AM
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
Goodnight Jobie and DK. Sleep soundly.

Cubbee............have you eaten anything? How is your hubby doing?



I just realized I had not eaten today so I ate a bowl of Lucky Charms... hubby is very upset as we all are and is not doing so great a hiding it...
My son has a friend here tonight and I am glad as they are both friends of Kaitlin, they are trying to be brave, my son is glad she fought and worried about her mother

I am going to lie down for awhile and try to sleep... my head hurts really badly,, I will talk to yall tomorrow
thanks for caring and God bless!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on February 04, 2007, 02:25:17 AM
Night hon. You and hubby hold tight to each other and get some sleep.....

God Bless and Keep Us All!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Jerry from Ohio on February 04, 2007, 02:33:20 AM
Quote from: "cubbeegirl"
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
Cubbe......I imagine that cell will be warmer than he'd like, and that he'll eat when cellmates tell him he can.

As far as walking this earth, my bet is he's going to be walking stiffly.



I can only hope...


 Don't worry Cubbee In prison there are lifers and double lifers that will NEVER return to socitey They are called RAT KILLERS  they will exterminate other inmates for very little ie:cigs  pop some cash in their acct ,and I know for a fact that La does have quite a few in their prison system and this animal that hurt this child just may find out who they are the hard way  and i would just add that I would wish it comes slowley to him when the time comes .


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Leslie on February 04, 2007, 02:35:16 AM
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
Quote from: "jobie"
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
I'm going to get flamed, but I would love a debate on this:
Since long term birth control is available in 6 month effectiveness, 1 injection doses, what about requiring that for any mom who is on public assistance after their first child, until they are able to support that child without public assistance?
OK, I'm ducking........

I for one think this would be a great idea!  When newborn babies start showing up in dumpsters and other sad places, mandatory birth control is needed.

I agree.  When you know what adopting parents have to go through to adopt a baby and how long they have to wait, while these irresponsible so-called parents just keep on reproducing for the welfare payments and then do not bother to care for them or teach them even the basics of life or just abandon them when things get too difficult and they can no longer be bothered and the baby is a hindrance and no longer a novelty it is time for some drastic measures.  Forget all the do-gooders who say you must let people choose for themselves and they have the right to live as they please.  When they show that they have some responsibility firstly for themselves and their own actions, and after that for any possible offspring, they can be allowed to have children.
JMHO

In Quebec, we have we have the perfect system for living on welfare (some might call it fraud).     The woman gets a welfare cheque of $1,200 a month for 2 kids, a subsidized apt., free food from the food bank while the father of these kids lives at home with his parents.  Since we have free health care - the welfare recipients never pay for visits to the doctor or hospital stays and all prescriptions are free.  Because we have a subsidized daycare system that any child 5 years and under can attend for $7 dollars a day;  the welfare mothers use this service so they can go to the bingo hall or shop at the local thrift shop or hang out with the father of these kids.  These men are never considered deadbeat dads even though their names are on the birth certificates.   We used to have a financial incentive to have children - don't know if it still around.  Just had to mail the Quebec government a copy of the birth certificate and received a cheque for $1000 for kid 1. $2000 for kid 2, $5000 for kid 3. etc.  What do you think of that!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: dkpen on February 04, 2007, 03:24:44 AM
I tried to sit quietly before I went to bed and meditate to relax and pray as well. My mind is all fuzzled and fizzled from worry to just outright sick. I decided to browse the web to try and get my mind off things and came across this song and felt it appropriate. So I decided to post this sweet song for Kaitlin and her mother.

Sleep soundly beautiful Kaitlin. You are in long rest now. God bless you sweet child.

dkpen~


Somewhere Out There

written by James Horner, Barry Mann, Cynthia Weil

Somewhere out there beneath the pale moonlight
Someone's thinking of you and loving you tonight

Somewhere out there someone's saying a prayer
That we'll find one another in that big somewhere out there

And even though I know how very far apart we are
It helps to think we might be wishing on the same bright star

And when the night wind starts to sing a lonesome lullaby
It helps to think we're sleeping underneath the same big sky

Somewhere out there if love can see us through
Then we'll be together somewhere out there
Out where dreams come true

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Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: sb on February 04, 2007, 03:33:40 AM
Hi Monkeys. I missed it all last night and today and have just now seen this terrible news.

Kaitlin looks like such a sweet girl.

My prayers go out to that mother and to all her family, and to cubbeegirl and her family.

At the risk of throwing gasoline on a fire, I have to say something:

It is IMPOSSIBLE for us to outdo God in anything. We cannot even come close. (Are you with me so far?)

As much as some may want to deny that God works this way, He promises judgment and retribution against Evil. He OFFERS forgiveness and grace TO THOSE WHO DESIRE IT... and who repent of their evil. God NEVER tells us that He will forgive, or is obligated to forgive,  ANY evil that man does that man does not seek forgiveness for.

With that in mind, it is IMPOSSIBLE for us to outdo God in forgiving of those who do such evil, IF they never show true remorse or repentance.

The ones who do such things, almost never show any remorse or sense of guilt at all. They almost universally blame the rest of the world for "driving" them to do what they did.

I am not signed up on the list of those who will be so willing to forgive this "man", loosely so-called, because I don't feel that God has forgiven him at this point either. I feel no obligation whatsoever to try to be more forgiving than my Lord and Savior is toward this creature at the moment.

I realize that flies in the face of most of the bleeding-heart ideas that are supposed to come from spiritual leaders nowadays, but those ones who know much about me (and most of them are on BFN, actually) can understand that I'm not speaking off the top of my head here... and that I am not going to follow PC conventions because I have convictions of my own, based on my knowledge of Scripture.

"Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by men shall his blood be shed". God pronounced the death penalty, folks. Give this creep one chance to get right with God in this world, then put him in God's hands PERMANENTLY. I am sure the Lord can handle it from there as He sees fit.

Don't beat yourselves up over how hard it is to show "forgiveness" toward him... he hasn't sought it, or shown any reason for us to grant it.

By the way, there is a brand of evil so vicious that a person can cross the line into it and lose the capacity to seek forgiveness, or to feel remorse. When God knows that a man is at that point, it's all over. We can't know when someone gets there, but He certainly does. It is clear that in Scripture, we see evidences of men who crossed the line with God and can't come back.

I am thankful she fought. I am thankful that (at least at this point) she doesn't appear to have been molested. She lost her life defending herself against that. Good for her. I am crying over that. Maybe that poor mother can be doubly proud of her little girl. That is one less nightmare that mother will carry throughout her life, as if she won't have enough of them.

Just like I told Beth, Dave and Robin a couple of months ago, I don't have the words to say to make this thing better. I just know a God who can. He says that we have to trust Him at times like this.

I hope that family and cubbee and all of Kaitlin's friends will now know the Lord's embrace and will not run FROM Him, but TO Him.

I will hang around for a little bit if any of y'all want to chat.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Peaches on February 04, 2007, 07:33:57 AM
Quote from: "Sam"
This may be a terrible thing to say but I personally would like to see the death penalty in all cases of sexual abuse. Not just the ones who are murdered.

We all know they can't be rehabbed. It is always a matter of time before they reoffend. So this would save a few victims. Plus not allow the type of thing like BT posted last night of the jerk who murdered his own baby.

Or maybe if judges are going to be so lenient they could have the jerks move in with them. JMHO


Amen, Sam.  And let's put in an EXPRESS LANE for those vermin who hurt children.  None of the 15 years of appeals and crap wasting the court's time and people's patience.  Fire up ole Sparky!  And don't say it wouldn't be a deterrent.  I don't even care!  It would rid the world of a pest...kinda like a roach or a rat.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Peaches on February 04, 2007, 07:46:34 AM
Quote from: "Rob"
New Evidence in the Adam Walsh case.
Connects Jeffery Damner to the case.

Damner in car and at mall on day Adam disappears.

Blue van involved.

Damner used van.


Are you kidding?  You mean dead Jeffrey Dahmer from Wisconsin?  I'll be waiting for the details on this one!!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Peaches on February 04, 2007, 07:57:58 AM
Quote from: "cubbeegirl"
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
Cubbe......I imagine that cell will be warmer than he'd like, and that he'll eat when cellmates tell him he can.

As far as walking this earth, my bet is he's going to be walking stiffly.



I can only hope...


Be patient, dear.  Jeffrey Dahmer made it to jail.  He just didn't last long.  Nobody likes a pedophile in jail. Nobody.  Perhaps that it their life sentence... to be in jail constantly watching their back...side....


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Kat_Gram on February 04, 2007, 08:40:39 AM
My heart is aching for Kaitlin's mother.
I've been reading but anything I wanted to say sounded so trite and sentimental. Sometimes there are no words for me to express what I feel in these times.
.
Yes, please let us know about donations from SM. All of us have been
supportive in our own way here.
Cubbee, I just am at a loss for words to express myself.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Rob on February 04, 2007, 09:15:58 AM
Last nite after I signed off, my mind just wouldnt shut off. I really hate that about myself. I wish I had more control over it. But when something like what happened to Kaitlin happens, its just impossible for me to accept.

I looked at my posts and realized I was spelling alotta stuff wrong and was barely making any sense. I was wrought with worry for Kaitlin and Ms. Aydell. Its just the way I am. I worry about others, And Yes, even those I dont always agree with (you know who you are). It must be part of my genetic make up as I have always been this way. I care about people being killed in Darfur, Kosovo, Bosnia, Iraq, Israel, Palestine, and here at home where I actually live. I dont see people as white, black, red, green or purple, I just see people that need help.

I'll never deny that I am a hard core conservative and I see those issues in only black and white, there is no gray area for me. On issues of strife, I am some type of bleeding heart. I cant stand to see people suffer, and try each day to do something to help others. I dont do it to look good in God's eyes, I do it to help. If I stood by and watched, I dont know how I would be able to live with myself as I am my own worst critic.

Yesterday I knew the odds that Kaitlin was most likely no longer alive. But some part of me held out hope that she could be found alive. It must be some part of me that doesnt like to accept the finality of the situation. I want to change things that only God can change. I feel powerless in situations where someone needs help and I am unable to do anything.

I like to think I can use my brains or organize my friends to make a difference. It's hard to come grips with the fact that I along with everyone else is basically powerless to do anything. In fact its frustrating and heartbreaking.

Even though we all hoped for the best, and held out hope that some type of miracle would occur, the fact is Kaitlin was gone before we ever found out about it. (looking back is easy, but the pain is still there).

There will be more heart break in the future. It's just a fact. Any of us that truly cares about our fellow man or woman, will see this day occur again and again. It's unfortunate, but it will happen.

Did what happened to Kaitlin have to occur?

The answer is no. Mr. Lewis, could have been in jail for his assault on a woman using a screw driver as a weapon to kidnap her. I am always perplexed as to why a guy that steals food to eat can get 5 or 10 years for theft, but a violent criminal only gets 2 years and is back on the streets as fast as possible. Something is wrong with that. Seriously wrong.

A guy that sells pot to his friends gets 12 years and a murderer gets only 8 and is out after only 4 because of good behavior. I thought the jail sentence was the punishment, not a societal deterrent. In a death penalty case, the punishment is death. If it prevents someone else from committing a similar crime, well thats great but not the main intention.

Allowing criminals out for good behavior seems to me to be the biggest oxymoron ever. Isnt it the bad behavior that got them locked up in the first place? And how much bad behavior can you really do in jail anyway?

Would they extent a jail sentence for bad behavior or would the original sentence just stand? Either way it makes no sense.

Yesterday was a bad day and there will be others just like it. No matter how many days like yesterday, I will never develope a thick skin to it.
I dont like it one bit, but I am old enough to know that more days like that will occur.

Keeping these animals locked up will help eliminate the chances they will be repeat offenders. There really is no other option other than the finality of an execution.

The judge that sentenced Mr. Lewis to his previous sentence will not be on the door step of Ms Aydell to comfort her, only her family and friends will be there. The judge will not alter his approach until it is his family member.

How many Kaitlin's will there be before the judicial system wakes up to this epidemic?

SB- terrific post, you and I are always on the same page. You said it all so well, as usual.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: nonesuche on February 04, 2007, 09:31:03 AM
Poor Cubbee, to have to live through this with a young girl and family she cared for. {{ hugs }} I'm sure Ms Aydell is grateful for you and remember that Kaitlin found friendship and support from you and your family Cubbee, that was a bright spot in her short life.

I had not thought of this before but with Katrina, isn't it possible that with the living arrangements i.e. trailers by the thousands, who is tracking where sexual predators live there? I mean how can they?

Even with tracking in my city just a month ago I discovered via the online registry that in our low crime city we have 8 convicted predators living within 4 blocks of a year-round elementary school, 1 mile from a middle school, and 2 miles from a high school all close to our neighborhood? So that is proof even with a low-crime city our LE obviously isn't enforcing the existing laws, so I did send an email to our mayor's office.

We all need to be vigilant and activists regarding this issue, and I do hope Kaitlin's mother gets the support and counseling she will need, as well as any other help for her family that's needed. God help them, I will pray for them.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Peaches on February 04, 2007, 09:31:39 AM
Good morning.  

Post of the day, SB.  

I understand that inability to "shut off", Rob.  The feeling of helplessness that accompanies hearing of yet another child stolen from her family and the world is overwhelming.

My heart goes out to Kaitlyn's family and of course, our own, Cubbee and her family.  I will watch for announcement of fund for family.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Peaches on February 04, 2007, 09:34:37 AM
NONE!!!!!!

How are you!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Cat on February 04, 2007, 09:59:29 AM
I agree SB and Rob.I have seen where so's live.They don't repent or change.Cat


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Kat_Gram on February 04, 2007, 10:02:13 AM
I appreciated what Rob and SB posted. I too am a deep feeling person.
I try to cover it up by being " the goofy " at work and home.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: sb on February 04, 2007, 11:08:09 AM
Real quick... time to head out for services this AM...

Like Rob said, Kaitlin was gone before we in here ever knew about her. Just like Natalee. When I shook hands with Dave Holloway meeting him for the firsttime, I said, "It's good to meet you, but I wish I didn't HAVE to".

We can do NOTHING after the fact. We can't go back and retroactively change things. That mother can't either. She did EVERYTHING right.  Kaitlin went HOME. She locked doors. She had her cellphone. Mom checked on her. This was NOT a girl out at 2 AM where danger is far more likely

Evil won the day because it was given a window of opportunity by allowing a monster to maneuver his way into position before the dreaded day came. If that guy had been dealt with previously, this could have been prevented.

There will always be the What-Ifs in a situation like this.

The What-Ifs here point squarely to a society and a system that allows sexual predators and sick, evil people to go free and that feels "compassion" for them, rather than their victims.

The death penalty protects the innocent from the guilty.

In this case, it will happen one innocent child too late.

Rob, good job pal. I was thinking about how very different this Super Bowl Sunday will be for you than last year's.  :wink:

I'll be back later.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: oldfart on February 04, 2007, 11:18:10 AM
Hi Monkyes... :cry:

I was pretty much in lurk mode yesterday...Just could not bring myself to post.

Rob pretty much said what I was feeling.

Quote from: "Rob"
Yesterday I knew the odds that Kaitlin was most likely no longer alive.
But some part of me held out hope that she could be found alive.
It must be some part of me that doesnt like to accept the finality
of the situation. I want to change things that only God can change.
I feel powerless in situations where someone needs help and I am unable
to do anything.


Even though I had guessed Kaitlin was not alive when Cubbee 1st posted about her being missing and the cousin being arrested ...Im still devastated.

I will be watching for an address where I can at least donate to assist her family.

SeeeYaa


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: mishy on February 04, 2007, 11:27:35 AM
Quote from: "Rob"
New Evidence in the Adam Walsh case.
Connects Jeffery Damner to the case.

Damner in car and at mall on day Adam disappears.

Blue van involved.

Damner used van.


 :shock:  :shock:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on February 04, 2007, 11:34:17 AM
Quote from: "mishy"
Quote from: "Rob"
New Evidence in the Adam Walsh case.
Connects Jeffery Damner to the case.

Damner in car and at mall on day Adam disappears.

Blue van involved.

Damner used van.


 :shock:  :shock:


Hi Monkeys! I haven't looked this up, but I was thinking that the guy they thought did this to Adam died in jail..............

I wonder what happened to bring a connection to Dahmer to the attention of authorities?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on February 04, 2007, 11:36:28 AM
F-B-I agent says Dahmer raised suspicions in Walsh case
 
 
 










MILWAUKEE A retired F-B-I profiler who interviewed Jeffrey Dahmer says the Milwaukee serial killer's answers when asked about the murder of Adam Walsh raised suspicions he may have been involved in the boy's murder.

The six-year-old boy disappeared from a shopping mall in the Miami suburb of Hollywood in 1981, and his head was found two weeks later in a drainage canal. His body was never found and his murder was never solved. His father John Walsh went on to start the crime-fighting T-V show "America's Most Wanted."

W-I-S-N T-V has been investigating after questions were raised in a new book by Miami author Arthur Jay Harris. He started looking at the Walsh case after a legal ruling opened the ten-thousand-page Walsh file to the public.

Dahmer lived in south Florida when the boy disappeared.

A police investigator says Dahmer denied killing Walsh.

But retired F-B-I profiler Neil Purtell tells the station he asked Dahmer whether, if he had killed Walsh, he would tell him. He says Dahmer responded that he knew Florida had the death penalty ... and that whoever killed the boy would not survive in prison. Dahmer himself was later killed in a Wisconsin prison by another inmate.

W-I-S-N T-V says two witnesses have reported seeing someone they now believe was Dahmer at the mall where the boy disappeared. Also, Dahmer had use of a blue work van ... and a blue van was seen speeding from the mall.

The station says Florida state investigators plan to review information from the report ... to see if key details were overlooked.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on February 04, 2007, 11:40:42 AM
WYFF News 4 sister station, WISN in Milwaukee, is reporting that there are new questions about serial murderer Jeffrey Dahmer's criminal history before he returned to Milwaukee and clues that some believe link Dahmer to one of the United States' most notorious cold cases.

The boy at the center of that cold case is now a household name. Who can forget the toothless grin of 6-year-old Adam Walsh, the Florida boy abducted, dismembered and dumped in a drainage canal in 1981.

A Miami author is making the case that Dahmer may be responsible for the Walsh slaying.

WISN dissected his argument and has detailed the never-reported evidence that has at least one career        FBI man calling to reopen the case against Dahmer.

It was a strange and surreal summer. Officials reported the daily death toll and named the faces of death.

As the victims' families faced the horror that was Dahmer, WISN reported that a subplot was unfolding that police tried to keep from the headlines.

"It smelled. All the right smells were there. That's the way I looked at it," retired FBI Agent Neil Purtell said.

Purtell was the FBI agent assigned to the Dahmer case. For the first time, he talked about his role in the Adam Walsh investigation. Purtell said from the day of the arrest, many in law enforcement wondered if Milwaukee's most notorious killer could be responsible for a high-profile case that went cold long ago.

"If Dahmer did this, if it was my son, I'd want the truth," Purtell said.

So does Adam's father.

"Even though it's a cold case, people are coming forward who are claiming one thing, who are saying we were not taken seriously back 25, 26 years ago. So I think they have to look at this case," John Walsh told WISN this week.

Walsh and Purtell believe new, never-revealed information in the Walsh case demands a second look at Dahmer. It's information developed by a Florida journalist who took up the Walsh investigation long after police had stopped. And now, 25 years later, the time has come.

"He's our only child, a beautiful little boy, and we just want him back," Walsh said in July 1981.

On July 27, 1981, Adam vanished from a shopping mall in the Miami suburb of Hollywood.

The disappearance of the Little Leaguer prompted a nationwide search and indelibly imprinted Adam's gap-toothed grin in the minds of shaken families across the country.

"I don't know who would do this to a 6-year-old child. I can't conceive of it," Walsh said at the time of Adam's disappearance.

Two weeks later, fishermen found Adam's head in a drainage canal, but police never found his body.

By July 1991, the investigation into Adam's slaying was stale until Dahmer's trail of death exploded in headlines. As investigators traced Dahmer's life path they found a chilling coincidence. Dahmer was living in south Florida when Adam disappeared.

When the Army discharged Dahmer, it told him he could have a plane ticket anywhere in the United States, WISN reported. Dahmer told police he couldn't go home to face his father, so he headed to Miami Beach because he was tired of the cold.

Hollywood police figured it was a long-shot but asked Milwaukee officers to talk to Dahmer, who denied killing Adam.

The issue got little media attention.

Purtell told WISN that was by design. Investigators feared news of the link might prove so sensational it could jeopardize Dahmer's court case.

"We did not want to do it during the trial in Milwaukee. Why raise that issue? It could have eliminated his cooperation. It could have made jury selection more difficult than it already was," Purtell said.

Adam's name never made it into the police reports that became his confession, but news of Dahmer's stay in Florida made its way to the Walsh family.

By 1991, Adam's father, John Walsh, was the star of "America's Most Wanted." Walsh was so moved by the Dahmer link that he made a remarkable request. He asked Florida to waive the death penalty if Dahmer confessed to Adam's slaying.

WISN obtained a copy of the Walsh letter, where he pointed to Dahmer's criminal record, which includes killing two 14-year-olds, sexually assaulting a 13-year-old and exposing himself to 12-year-olds.

Walsh wrote, "Many people have forgotten that Jeffrey Dahmer started out as a pedophile, kidnapper, and torturer of young boys. He certainly fits the profile of someone who might be capable of murdering a beautiful 6-year-old boy."

After Dahmer's conviction, a Florida detective traveled to Wisconsin carrying the letter -- a promise to waive the death penalty. The trip was a bust.

WISN obtained the never-before published transcript of Dahmer's interview with Florida police.

"My main purpose of coming here for, you know, the investigation of Adam Walsh and you go on record to say that you had nothing to do with it," the detective said.

"I heard it on the news, but I had nothing to do with it, no," Dahmer said.

"And if you did have something to do with it? You would admit to it?" the detective asked.

"Uh, right. Yeah," Dahmer said.

Dahmer told the Hollywood detective he was broke and drinking heavily while in Miami Beach, worked at a sub shop and often slept on the beach.

Dahmer said he didn't have a car, had never been to Hollywood, and he wasn't interested in kids Adam's age.

"The official line is he didn't kill. And the official line is what Jeffrey said. Should we believe that?" writer Arthur Jay Harris, a freelancer who's published three true crime books, said.

Harris started looking at the Walsh case in 1996 after a landmark legal ruling opened the 10,000-page Walsh file to the public. The Dahmer angle intrigued him. He started digging.

Harris just finished a book about Dahmer and recently laid out his case in a Miami daily paper. His article put Dahmer at the Hollywood Mall, in the suspected getaway car on the day Adam disappeared.

One of the reasons why police believed Dahmer that he didn't kill Adam (was) because he said he didn't have a vehicle," Harris said.

"This blue van had a crate for a passenger seat," Darlene Hill said.

Harris located Hill, the former owner of restaurant where Dahmer worked. Hill told WISN the business had three delivery vehicles. One was a blue van. Several witnesses reported seeing a blue van speed from the mall that day.

Hill said employees often took the blue van for personal use.

"Somebody would take the van and not come back with it for two days," Hill said.

Harris then found Dahmer's former boss at the restaurant, whose version of the events, Harris said, shows Dahmer lied to Hollywood police.

Harris said the boss told him Dahmer worked seven days a week at the sub shop, all day and all night. That was another reason he wouldn't have had an opportunity.

"Well, the guy who hired him (Dahmer) said he worked maybe 20 hours a week, late morning to late afternoon five days a week, so that's not true," Harris said.

Also buried in the Walsh file, Harris found two statements -- witnesses who said they saw Dahmer at the mall the day Adam disappeared. For the first time, both men share their stories on television.

"I had a sense that someone was staring at me," Willis Morgan said.

Morgan said he was shopping when a dirty, disheveled man in his 20s started hitting on him.

Morgan was a buff blond in 1981 -- the Chippendale dancer type Dahmer repeatedly told police was his type.

"I didn't answer him, and he said, 'Nice day isn't it?' And I still didn't answer him," Willis said. "And then the smile went off his face, and he had this look of anger, and I was just like looking at him, you know. I didn't know what this guy was up to, and then all of a sudden that look went to like rage. It was an unbelievable look. I had to look away," Willis said.

Morgan said he followed the man into the Sears store and lost him in the toy department -- the last place Adam was seen alive.

Ten years later, Morgan was at his printer job at the Miami Herald proofing the morning paper.

"When the papers came in, I saw the picture of Dahmer, and I started freaking out. I said, 'This is the guy. This is the guy I saw in the mall,'" Willis said.

At about the same time, another man was shocked to see Dahmer's picture in the paper.

"That Sunday, in 1991, when the picture of Dahmer came out, it hit me like a baseball bat," Bill Bowen said.

Bowen said he had just pulled into the Sears parking lot that day in 1981 when he witnessed an explosive scene.

"There was a man holding a little boy by one arm up in the air. The boy was struggling, and the boy was saying, 'I don't want to go. I'm not going,'" Bowen said.

Bowen said the man threw the boy into a blue van and screeched off. Bowen said he only saw the man's profile, but it looked like the newspaper picture he brought police.

Both Morgan and Bowen said they reported the incidents to police back in 1981. Police said there's no such record but conceded the Walsh file contains no log of any of the early tips in the case.

"There were some issues when this case first surfaced that maybe we were a little overwhelmed with the magnitude of it," Hollywood police Capt. Mark Smith said.

Smith said he read Harris' article with interest but doesn't buy his theory.

He called Harris' evidence against Dahmer circumstantial and said that the Hollywood Police Department hasn't been able to find the sub shop's blue van, and two mall witnesses aren't enough to close a murder case.

"If we found no more on Jeffrey Dahmer, and I don't believe we will find any more than this circumstantial evidence we have now, we would never get to a conviction. I don't believe we'd ever get to an indictment," Smith said.

The retired Milwaukee detective who spent more than 150 hours taking Dahmer's confession doesn't buy it either. Dennis Murphy said Dahmer repeatedly denied killing Adam.

"He said, 'I've told you everything -- how I killed them, how I cooked them, who I ate. Why wouldn't I tell you if I did someone else?'" Murphy said.

Dahmer's defense attorney, Gerry Boyle, said seven doctors spent hundreds of hours interviewing Dahmer. Not one suggested Dahmer was withholding information.

"He was very honest. By that, I mean, he seemed to unload everything. I don't see any reason he wouldn't have said that he killed the boy. But of course, that was not his profile. Young boys was not his profile," Boyle said.

Purtell said Dahmer was a talented liar, and given the evidence Harris uncovered, it's time to reopen the Walsh case with a team of seasoned investigators -- even though Dahmer is dead.

"People will say, 'What does it matter?'" Purtell said. "What if we looked at all the evidence we had now and said we could get a warrant for his arrest?" Purtell asked.

"And a prosecutor looking at that evidence we have now collected would say, 'I could convict him on the evidence we have. We feel that he is now responsible. That's closure. We've done our job as a society. We have not forgotten this child,'" Purtell said.

On Wednesday, Walsh responded to WISN's story from an "America's Most Wanted" set in Texas. He said more than 25 years later, he can't believe he's still fighting for a competent investigation into Adam's slaying.

"That's a bitter pill for me to swallow. (As) someone who's a big supporter of law enforcement, that the law enforcement agency investigating my son's murder would lose -- blatantly lose -- key pieces of evidence, and not interview people who thought they had important information about the case, it's really a tough thing," Walsh said.

Walsh told WISN that Dahmer became a suspect years ago when Dahmer's father, Lionel, called "America's Most Wanted" and told them he thought his son could be responsible for Adam's slaying.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Nut44x4 on February 04, 2007, 11:46:37 AM
Quote from: crazybabyborg
Quote from: "mishy"
Quote from: "Rob"
New Evidence in the Adam Walsh case.
Connects Jeffery Damner to the case.

Damner in car and at mall on day Adam disappears.

Blue van involved.

Damner used van.


 :shock:  :shock:

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

I, ummmmmm, cannot connect to this. I have studied Dahmer over the years and this is not his m.o.
He was not into LITTLE children. This is not logical to me.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on February 04, 2007, 11:51:14 AM
Hi Carnut! I don't know what to think about it, either. Do you know who it was ( or maybe I'm just mixed up ) that was in jail and died there that authorities thought killed Adam Walsh?

If I remember correctly, he never admitted it.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Katysmom on February 04, 2007, 11:59:04 AM
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
Quote from: "mishy"
Quote from: "Rob"
New Evidence in the Adam Walsh case.
Connects Jeffery Damner to the case.

Damner in car and at mall on day Adam disappears.

Blue van involved.

Damner used van.


 :shock:  :shock:


Hi Monkeys! I haven't looked this up, but I was thinking that the guy they thought did this to Adam died in jail..............

I wonder what happened to bring a connection to Dahmer to the attention of authorities?


Yes, Jeffrey Dahmer was murdered in a Wisconsin prison.  Rob, where are you getting your info?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: justinsmama on February 04, 2007, 12:00:36 PM
Rob, You wrote so well what all of us here feel. Before coming to Scared Monkeys, I had come to believe that the entire world is corrupt. I felt very alone. Between this forum and my current employer of the last 2 1/2 years, I've come to realize that while there is much corruption and evil, I am not alone in my compassionan and concern for our fellows. The caring that you spoke of, Rob, that is the strength of our souls. It is what God intended us to be. We disagree at times. Heck, just read a thread or two in the political forum and y'all will get a huge example of that. Despite the expected disagreements, we are all people with a bond. We care. I love each and every one of you.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: mishy on February 04, 2007, 12:00:44 PM
CBB, I only remember the sketchy details that you just posted about the guy who died in prison, who they thought killed Adam Walsh. But for some reason, I think there was something about him that made them feel he wasn't the killer...

This is a lot to "digest." I am going to read back and see what Cubbee said about Kaitlin. I felt sure that scum must have raped her. Did I read correctly that they think she wasn't molested? God bless her precious soul! Her poor mama  :cry:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on February 04, 2007, 12:06:37 PM
Mishy: Cubbee posted that they thought Kaitlin was strangled/asphixiated and that she had not been raped.

I don't know details but there is some planning for Scared Monkeys to enable some sort of donations for the family. I'm sure the details will be posted and I'm watching for it, too.

This will be another very hard day for Cubbee, and for Kaitlin's family. My heart goes out to them.......


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Rob on February 04, 2007, 12:12:32 PM
Quote from: "Katysmom"

Yes, Jeffrey Dahmer was murdered in a Wisconsin prison.  Rob, where are you getting your info?


what are you asking me specifically? I think CBB posted the info you seek.

It was on the news last night.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Cat on February 04, 2007, 12:13:35 PM
i do not know who killed Adam Walsh.The the perv died in prison,either way.I know these pervs are sick and somethings triggers or enables them to start on their trail of depravity.No one cared enough in aruba to stop this depravity,yet.I could go down the list,but the legal system will punish more for selling rock crack with more than the perv got in LA.Maybe we need to get behind the movement to change the legal system.Spartecus Cat.   Oh Kat+Gram,you and I have a few things in common


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: msmarple on February 04, 2007, 12:16:49 PM
Not so good morning, Monkeys.

On another sad note, 20 people died in the Florida storms last week.  :cry:  Winds up to 165 mph.

I will say that FEMA response seems good. The new director is the ex-fire chief from Dade County - he seems to know what needs doing after a disaster. "Here to assist ... The damage is too great for a single entity to deal with ..."

National Guard and minimum-risk prison inmates helping ... Gov. Crist cancelled his plans to attend the Super Bowl.

Strange story: a flock of 18 whooping cranes, guided by ultra-light planes to a wildlife refuge at Crystal River, all were killed.

"The deaths of the birds were a stunning setback to a project aimed at creating a second migratory flock of the endangered birds in North America."


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: mishy on February 04, 2007, 12:17:51 PM
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
Mishy: Cubbee posted that they thought Kaitlin was strangled/asphixiated and that she had not been raped.

I don't know details but there is some planning for Scared Monkeys to enable some sort of donations for the family. I'm sure the details will be posted and I'm watching for it, too.

This will be another very hard day for Cubbee, and for Kaitlin's family. My heart goes out to them.......


Thanks CBB. My mind has been so scattered since the news broke about Kaitlin. Just like Rob, I looked back at my posts, and I feel they were disjointed and confusing. I was having a hard time expressing myself, and of course, words never adequately describe the depths of what one feels. But, being here and having like minds to converse with, people I count as friends, did help. Sb and Rob made some great posts that put into words some of the things I had been thinking, feeling, worrying about.

That poor child. What a little fighter. She died fighting for what was hers to give, and hers alone. Bless her precious heart and soul. What every parent fears could happen to their child has happened to Mrs. Ayall (sp?) and her only daughter. I would certainly like to do something for Katilin's mom and will be on the lookout for an announcement of a fund or donation for Katilin.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: mishy on February 04, 2007, 12:19:00 PM
Quote from: "msmarple"
Not so good morning, Monkeys.

On another sad note, 20 people died in the Florida storms last week.  :cry:  Winds up to 165 mph.

I will say that FEMA response seems good. The new director is the ex-fire chief from Dade County - he seems to know what needs doing after a disaster. "Here to assist ... The damage is too great for a single entity to deal with ..."

National Guard and minimum-risk prison inmates helping ... Gov. Crist cancelled his plans to attend the Super Bowl.

Strange story: a flock of 18 whooping cranes, guided by ultra-light planes to a wildlife refuge at Crystal River, all were killed.

"The deaths of the birds were a stunning setback to a project aimed at creating a second migratory flock of the endangered birds in North America."


 :cry:  :cry:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: mishy on February 04, 2007, 12:22:02 PM
Quote from: "Cat"
i do not know who killed Adam Walsh.The the perv died in prison,either way.I know these pervs are sick and somethings triggers or enables them to start on their trail of depravity.No one cared enough in aruba to stop this depravity,yet.I could go down the list,but the legal system will punish more for selling rock crack with more than the perv got in LA.Maybe we need to get behind the movement to change the legal system.Spartecus Cat.   Oh Kat+Gram,you and I have a few things in common


If there were ever a good cause to fight for, this would be it, Cat.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Rob on February 04, 2007, 12:23:19 PM
As for Dahmer- most criminals are just opportunists to begin. They slowly refine their desires as their certain uncontrollable desires are met.

A serial killer may inflict the majority of damage on his first and second victim as the rage and desire manifests itself on the first victim or two. As those desires are met, the killer may feel satisfied and not repeat that behavior again.

As time progresses and the killing continues, it is often siphoned into detail and the pattern emerges.  

The initial killings rarely reveal the true nature of the serial killer. It is only later that cases that seem completely unrelated are revealed as the 'experimental' stage where the killer is learning his 'craft'.

Remember serial killers do not want to be caught, but it is the pattern that ultimately sheds the light on who they are and what motivates them.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: msmarple on February 04, 2007, 12:51:27 PM
Hummm. Rob has done his homework on serial killers, too!

Sometimes the first victim is an accident, and the perp is surprised by the resulting feelings - the POWER of murder.

Another thing: the age of a serial killer at the beginning of his career shouldn't be overlooked. A very young man may victimize a vulnerable young child, but later seeks the challenge of a more mature, developed victim. Just part of refining the act, finding a victim more suitable for his horrible purpose.

So I don't think it's unlikely that Dahmer killed Adam. (And if so, I think it's likely that at the end, he was actually too embarassed - or afraid - to admit it.) But we will never know for sure.

Then there's Serial Killer Poster Boy Ted Bundy. Again, we'll never know, but there's a good chance that as a teenager delivering newspapers, he's the one who disappeared an 8-yr-old girl who lived on his route (she was never found). Otherwise, not until he fell apart at the end of his "career" did he snatch a child, 12-year-old Kimberly Leach. In between, his "ideal victims" were college coed types.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: msmarple on February 04, 2007, 01:02:07 PM
On a brighter note, one of our cousins (or monkey's uncles?) - an orangutan - at the Portland Zoo chose to don a Bears "Champion" t-shirt instead of the Colts version.

This is considered a portent, or betting excuse, or something ...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on February 04, 2007, 01:09:53 PM
I'm confused. Dahmer was initially questioned in the Walsh case. He had an upcoming trial at the time, and I don't think Adam would have been his first victim.....................am I right?

I'm not sure of the time frames for his victims.....


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Kat_Gram on February 04, 2007, 01:22:32 PM
With all the technology we have these days, wouldn't it be wonderful if
the brains of these predators could be scanned, sliced, diced ( after death ) to figure out what is wrong in their brains ?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: mishy on February 04, 2007, 01:29:59 PM
Quote from: "Kat_Gram"
With all the technology we have these days, wouldn't it be wonderful if
the brains of these predators could be scanned, sliced, diced ( after death ) to figure out what is wrong in their brains ?


And then have everyone in the world have a brain scan, and if your brain is like that, they should just remove it immediatley!!  :lol:  :twisted:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: mishy on February 04, 2007, 01:30:30 PM
Oops, I'm sounding a little "big brother" here, aren't I?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on February 04, 2007, 01:34:56 PM
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
I'm confused. Dahmer was initially questioned in the Walsh case. He had an upcoming trial at the time, and I don't think Adam would have been his first victim.....................am I right?

I'm not sure of the time frames for his victims.....


Ottis Toole, while being held for suspected arson, stated to police that he wanted to talk about a murdered boy in Fort Lauderdale. Police recovered key evidence from his residence: bloody carpet scraps from his car and a machete with blood on it. DNA testing wasn't developed at the time. Ottis backed off talking and after DNA testing became available, both the carpet scraps and the machete had disappeared from police custody.

John Walsh has stated publically that he thought Ottis killed Adam. He has recently stated that he would like the case reopened.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on February 04, 2007, 01:36:59 PM
Quote from: "mishy"
Quote from: "Kat_Gram"
With all the technology we have these days, wouldn't it be wonderful if
the brains of these predators could be scanned, sliced, diced ( after death ) to figure out what is wrong in their brains ?


And then have everyone in the world have a brain scan, and if your brain is like that, they should just remove it immediatley!!  :lol:  :twisted:


All A B normal brains should be clearly marked for pick-up by Marty Feldman.
( Did you see Young Frankenstein?)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: mishy on February 04, 2007, 01:38:18 PM
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
I'm confused. Dahmer was initially questioned in the Walsh case. He had an upcoming trial at the time, and I don't think Adam would have been his first victim.....................am I right?

I'm not sure of the time frames for his victims.....


Ottis Toole, while being held for suspected arson, stated to police that he wanted to talk about a murdered boy in Fort Lauderdale. Police recovered key evidence from his residence: bloody carpet scraps from his car and a machete with blood on it. DNA testing wasn't developed at the time. Ottis backed off talking and after DNA testing became available, both the carpet scraps and the machete had disappeared from police custody.

John Walsh has stated publically that he thought Ottis killed Adam. He has recently stated that he would like the case reopened.


What happened to this evidence?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on February 04, 2007, 01:45:49 PM
Quote from: "mishy"
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
I'm confused. Dahmer was initially questioned in the Walsh case. He had an upcoming trial at the time, and I don't think Adam would have been his first victim.....................am I right?

I'm not sure of the time frames for his victims.....


Ottis Toole, while being held for suspected arson, stated to police that he wanted to talk about a murdered boy in Fort Lauderdale. Police recovered key evidence from his residence: bloody carpet scraps from his car and a machete with blood on it. DNA testing wasn't developed at the time. Ottis backed off talking and after DNA testing became available, both the carpet scraps and the machete had disappeared from police custody.

John Walsh has stated publically that he thought Ottis killed Adam. He has recently stated that he would like the case reopened.


What happened to this evidence?


That's the $60,000.00 question. Today it would definitively settle the issue for Adam's parents. When they went to retrieve the carpet and knife they were gone and it's never been resolved. Here's the CNN link:
http://edition.cnn.com/US/9602/adam_walsh/


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: mishy on February 04, 2007, 01:49:00 PM
:evil:  :evil:  :evil:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Kat_Gram on February 04, 2007, 02:00:39 PM
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
Quote from: "mishy"
Quote from: "Kat_Gram"
With all the technology we have these days, wouldn't it be wonderful if
the brains of these predators could be scanned, sliced, diced ( after death ) to figure out what is wrong in their brains ?


And then have everyone in the world have a brain scan, and if your brain is like that, they should just remove it immediatley!!  :lol:  :twisted:


All A B normal brains should be clearly marked for pick-up by Marty Feldman.
( Did you see Young Frankenstein?)

LOL, well that isn't what I had in mind, but the funny possibilities are endless aren't they ?  :lol:
But NEVER put the government in charge of this one  !


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Kat_Gram on February 04, 2007, 02:03:23 PM
Quote from: "msmarple"
On a brighter note, one of our cousins (or monkey's uncles?) - an orangutan - at the Portland Zoo chose to don a Bears "Champion" t-shirt instead of the Colts version.

This is considered a portent, or betting excuse, or something ...

I've always liked the Bears. A kid ?? from these parts is playing, named IZZY ! ! So, I will tune in. They did a spotlite on him on the sports page and he wasn't a great player when he was here. But he had fortitude and stuck with it !


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: LilPuma on February 04, 2007, 03:45:36 PM
Quote from: "Kat_Gram"
Quote from: "msmarple"
On a brighter note, one of our cousins (or monkey's uncles?) - an orangutan - at the Portland Zoo chose to don a Bears "Champion" t-shirt instead of the Colts version.

This is considered a portent, or betting excuse, or something ...

I've always liked the Bears. A kid ?? from these parts is playing, named IZZY ! ! So, I will tune in. They did a spotlite on him on the sports page and he wasn't a great player when he was here. But he had fortitude and stuck with it !


I heard about the orangutan.  They say she's been right quite a few times!  For Bears fans, here's the music and words to the song:  

http://www.webwaymonsters.com/song.shtml

For those not interested in football, I recommend Animal Planet's Puppy Bowl, with half-time entertainment by cats.  Real dogs and cats.  I couldn't watch 4 hours of it, but it's cute as can be.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Cat on February 04, 2007, 04:11:40 PM
The evidence was sent to aruba for testing.Yes,Mishy this something I do fight for and lose.remember our attorney general race,the one who won has a lot of ethical lapses.soap box over.CAT


Title: BCA's
Post by: IBE on February 04, 2007, 05:40:55 PM
Quote
cubbee wrote:
Well, if he gets off easy this time he better run hard and fast as there are alot of bayou coon asses who want to deliver the death penalty to him...


Go BCA's


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Sleuth on February 04, 2007, 05:58:36 PM
More regarding Scooby...
Quote
From GLENDA/Julia Renfro at RU:
Ut Oh, looks like Klaasend found a tourist named Scooby. We all know that Shaggy is a regular visitor of Aruba, Dilma lives on Aruba, a few Daphnies too. Forgot the rest of the cast, but it looks like Klaasend has changed from CNN to FOX back to CNN (Cartoon News Network).

(From Klaasend: NO GLENDA - I found the local Scooby and you know it.)

http://tinyurl.com/ypu34h


From GLENDA at RU:
In response to to the following post by lagadishi  Brabo: is this the same Scooby of the Scooby dooby do-show or another one, Glenda?
I believe Scooby is a Dooby Brother! I haven't seen him since before Natalee went missing either.  Actually, I haven't seen him in 4 or 5 years, but I also haven't seen you Lagadushi in a long time either.

Humm, just think I found another clue! Where did these Psychics get the name Scooby? ~ obviously from their employer Beth. The Question is: Why hasn't Beth ever mentioned Scooby, then sends two psychics down to Aruba to say that an Indian Spirit told them to look for Scooby? Btw... Scooby is a black man and the last time I saw him he had Rasta hair. He is a real ladies' man, great smile and fantastic English, Spanish, Papiamento, Dutch and I imagine enough Italian, German, Portugees, and who knows maybe even French.

I'm thinking one of the Mountain Brook kids told Beth that Natalee was seen talking to someone named Scooby


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: klaasend on February 04, 2007, 06:05:12 PM
GLENDA IS full of it!  Beth, Jug and Dave didn't even want to deal with these people.  They dismissed them as crackpots.  If anyone hired them it would be Glenda/Julia Renfro and ATA:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/JuliaWitch.gif)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Rob on February 04, 2007, 06:10:01 PM
I have more bad news to report-

http://www.wpxi.com/news/10921796/detail.html

Amber Alert Issued For Braddock Toddler
Page Reported Missing From Bed Saturday Morning

POSTED: 2:32 pm EST February 3, 2007
UPDATED: 5:08 pm EST February 4, 2007

BRADDOCK, Pa. --
5 PM UPDATE: A body was found in a wooded area near the Rankin border. Police said the body matches Nyia Page's description, but it has not been officially identified as the missing girl.


4:30 PM UPDATE: Police are searching a wooded area near the Rankin border.

12:45 PM UPDATE: Police and volunteers are searching train tracks and an old used car lot near First Street.

SUNDAY, 9 AM UPDATE: The search resumes for Nyia Page.

11 PM UPDATE: Police call off the search for the night. The search will resume Sunday at 9 a.m.

6:30 PM UPDATE: Some family members continue to be questioned by police, which is routine during this type of investigation.

2:30 PM UPDATE:More than 70 volunteers are searching a two-block radius around the home.

The Pennsylvania State Police issued an Amber Child Abduction Alert for the Braddock police department in Allegheny County on Saturday.

Braddock police are searching for Nyia Miangel Page.

The 23-month-old girl was discovered missing from her home in the 600 block of First Street in Braddock Saturday morning.

Police said the girl was reported missing from her bed around 7:30 a.m.

Page is described as black, 24 inches tall and weighing approximately 30 pounds.

She has short black hair and brown eyes.

Page was wearing a maroon sweater with a blue and yellow stripe and a disposable diaper.

Police said she may be wrapped in a blue electric blanket.

She also has large scars on both of her earlobes.

More than 70 volunteers searched a two-block radius around the home on Saturday.

Emergency responders will re-canvas the same area Sunday morning.

There are more than 40 police and FBI agents working on the case.

Police have no suspects in Nyia's disappearance.

Anyone with information about her disappearance should immediately contact police.

Watch Channel 11 and refresh this page for updates.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on February 04, 2007, 06:14:44 PM
:(  Rob.. I had just sent you an email to ask if there was any news on the poor baby. I worked all day and had no access to any news.
 TY for the update.. God Bless the poor little Angel.  :( :(


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on February 04, 2007, 06:17:36 PM
How close to braddock is Rankin? I know where both areas are but cant think if they are closeby or not?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Rob on February 04, 2007, 06:18:05 PM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
:(  Rob.. I had just sent you an email to ask if there was any news on the poor baby. I worked all day and had no access to any news.
 TY for the update.. God Bless the poor little Angel.  :( :(


Angie-
Its been a bad week all around.

I hope to God next week is a Ben Ownby week.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Rob on February 04, 2007, 06:18:48 PM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
How close to braddock is Rankin? I know where both areas are but cant think if they are closeby or not?


next door...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on February 04, 2007, 06:20:15 PM
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
:(  Rob.. I had just sent you an email to ask if there was any news on the poor baby. I worked all day and had no access to any news.
 TY for the update.. God Bless the poor little Angel.  :( :(


Angie-
Its been a bad week all around.

I hope to God next week is a Ben Ownby week.


 I hear yah..
Well. wondering now if the little baby didnt wonder off.  :(
Will check the news later to see if they say anymore.. :(


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Rob on February 04, 2007, 06:20:16 PM
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
How close to braddock is Rankin? I know where both areas are but cant think if they are closeby or not?


next door...


I should have added Rankin is worse than Braddock if that is even possible.

This looks like some type of revenge to me. But I dont want to jump to any conclusions.

that father is involved in something...I just know it.


Title: Stress eating
Post by: IBE on February 04, 2007, 06:22:26 PM
OT for those of us that might go to stress eating for the last 18 hrs ++, on Direct tV and maybe other cables, Paula is doing a whole program on butter dishes and homemade butter. Think she has hours of programs today during the game... a close call.. butter and the Colts. Going to cheer for the Colts at the Post today.. and may do a few toddies for the body for am still angry of events in the last days.

We won't have birth control until the large church that has many third world country members and poverty members, too, in the US says it's OK and that having babies without parent and financial accountability is OK.

IMO this church and others need to do more in parental training. Want to see lots of poor children come to LA (Los Angeles) our newest 3rd world city... soon to come near you IMO

Scared Monkeys
, those of you who have an inside line to Beth, do you think it would be helpful to match Kaitlyn's mom up with Beth??? at this time?

Personally, I think it would help both!

I wish Beth would come on SM as a special sometime... like an announced event and we could blog with her or leave questions ahead of time for her.. moderated by Red too??

Cubbee I am so sorry. Watch out for PTSD (Post Traumatic Stress Disorder) with the mom, her family, and you and your family. It sneaks up on one. I hope the teachers will be onl alert for the start of permanent or could be permanent depression or lead to illnesses, physical, mental or emotional. Each adult and child in your hometown and nearby, even here on SM, will never be the same. This is the time we need a husband or wife to cuddle up tooor a dog, cat or teddie plus prayer for our lack of understanding.

OK Paula is now cooking up a 4 cheese ravioli (sp?)!!! She just said a gator can "haul tail" IMO let's but gators on that island where we are sending the perverts.

Old Fart I'll email after the game.

Scared Monkeys, more than ever, we need to continue our efforts for Justice for Natalee and others!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Rob on February 04, 2007, 06:22:44 PM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
:(  Rob.. I had just sent you an email to ask if there was any news on the poor baby. I worked all day and had no access to any news.
 TY for the update.. God Bless the poor little Angel.  :( :(


Angie-
Its been a bad week all around.

I hope to God next week is a Ben Ownby week.


 I hear yah..
Well. wondering now if the little baby didnt wonder off.  :(
Will check the news later to see if they say anymore.. :(


no way... it was too cold for her to make it even three blocks in what she was reported to have been wearing.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on February 04, 2007, 06:23:14 PM
I agree about  Rankin.. Horrid area.. last I was there kept my doors locked while hubby had to look at a dump truck. ALso stopped by a KFC and left when I saw the bullet proof window around the counter.
  Well.. I know what you mean about the dad. I agree there.. but I guess we can do nothing but wait and see what they find out.
 This is so sad. :(   These poor innocent kids.  Damn.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: klaasend on February 04, 2007, 06:25:19 PM
Rob and Angie - do you think there's any way that baby wandered there by herself or is it too far?


Title: Re: Stress eating
Post by: klaasend on February 04, 2007, 06:26:57 PM
Quote from: "IBE"
OT for those of us that might go to stress eating for the last 18 hrs ++, on Direct tV and maybe other cables, Paula is doing a whole program on butter dishes and homemade butter. Think she has hours of programs today during the game... a close call.. butter and the Colts. Going to cheer for the Colts at the Post today.. and may do a few toddies for the body for am still angry of events in the last days.

We won't have birth control until the large church that has many third world country members and poverty members, too, in the US says it's OK and that having babies without parent and financial accountability is OK.

IMO this church and others need to do more in parental training. Want to see lots of poor children come to LA (Los Angeles) our newest 3rd world city... soon to come near you IMO

Scared Monkeys
, those of you who have an inside line to Beth, do you think it would be helpful to match Kaitlyn's mom up with Beth??? at this time?

Personally, I think it would help both!

I wish Beth would come on SM as a special sometime... like an announced event and we could blog with her or leave questions ahead of time for her.. moderated by Red too??

Cubbee I am so sorry. Watch out for PTSD (Post Traumatic Stress Disorder) with the mom, her family, and you and your family. It sneaks up on one. I hope the teachers will be onl alert for the start of permanent or could be permanent depression or lead to illnesses, physical, mental or emotional. Each adult and child in your hometown and nearby, even here on SM, will never be the same. This is the time we need a husband or wife to cuddle up tooor a dog, cat or teddie plus prayer for our lack of understanding.

OK Paula is now cooking up a 4 cheese ravioli (sp?)!!! She just said a gator can "haul tail" IMO let's but gators on that island where we are sending the perverts.

Old Fart I'll email after the game.

Scared Monkeys, more than ever, we need to continue our efforts for Justice for Natalee and others!


I'll ask Red about it


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on February 04, 2007, 06:28:14 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Rob and Angie - do you think there's any way that baby wandered there by herself or is it too far?


 Klaas.. our temps were 4 degrees that night .. she was only in a shirt and diaper..And the mention of that electric blanket. If she wonderd off you would think someone would have seen her. or she would have been crying ? I dont know what to think.. I know they are looking at the dad.
So perhaps foul play was involved. :( Maybe we will hear more on the news this evening.


Title: Rob, so sorry.
Post by: IBE on February 04, 2007, 06:30:25 PM
Oh Rob I am so, so, sorry to hear this. Got to get out of here (my home) for awhile and try to regroup.

Oh D*mn diddly D*mn!

You and Cubbee did well. You and the Scared Monkeys did the best you could do and the outcomes of this should never affect your future efforts (easier said than done)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on February 04, 2007, 06:31:32 PM
Klass. I just looked on mapquest.. Braddock to Rankin is a 4 minute drive..   0.98 miles


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: klaasend on February 04, 2007, 06:33:28 PM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Klass. I just looked on mapquest.. Braddock to Rankin is a 4 minute drive..   0.98 miles

I find it very hard to believe that a baby that age would walk unnoticed a mile in that weather. Surely someone would have seen her walking.  It does not make sense.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Cat on February 04, 2007, 06:36:16 PM
i feel that a forum like SM is ideal in helping with and stopping these predators,by watching,educating and alerting people.I know no politics,but ask the hard questions and accept no pat answers about child ,molesters,etc.CAT    Bears 7-colts 0


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on February 04, 2007, 06:37:59 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Klass. I just looked on mapquest.. Braddock to Rankin is a 4 minute drive..   0.98 miles

I find it very hard to believe that a baby that age would walk unnoticed a mile in that weather. Surely someone would have seen her walking.  It does not make sense.


 No it sure dont.  :(  Too far for a 2 yr old baby to walk.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: klaasend on February 04, 2007, 06:41:02 PM
Crews Find Body In Rankin

http://kdka.com/topstories/local_story_035173058.html
 
Ross Guidotti
Reporting

(KDKA) RANKIN The Allegheny County Medical Examiner has been called to Rankin where a body has been found matching the description of a missing toddler.

An Amber Alert had been issued in the disappearance of 23-month-old Nyia Miangel Page, who vanished from her Braddock home Saturday.

Officials have not confirmed the identity of the body.

Crews had been searching the area for the missing toddler, marking abandoned houses and trash cans as they searched.

KDKA's Ross Guidotti reports the body was found off of Fleet Street in a wooded area.

Right now, police have not determined if the death was a homicide.

Meanwhile, Allegheny County Police Lt. Bob Downey confirmed that detective teams at county police were visiting and interviewing Megan’s law violators in Braddock and North Braddock.

Saturday, authorities questioned Page’s father, cousin and grandmother’s boyfriend, the only three adult males in the house.

Page’s father has been brought in for a second round of questioning and another polygraph test.

Police say no individuals in the house had ever been arrested or convicted of a crime.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: klaasend on February 04, 2007, 06:42:08 PM
Quote from: "Cat"
i feel that a forum like SM is ideal in helping with and stopping these predators,by watching,educating and alerting people.I know no politics,but ask the hard questions and accept no pat answers about child ,molesters,etc.CAT    Bears 7-colts 0


CAT - did you see that Blockbuster commercial?   :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on February 04, 2007, 06:45:15 PM
Klass. I copied yours and Robs post and put it in the other thread.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: klaasend on February 04, 2007, 06:45:34 PM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Klass. I copied yours and Robs post and put it in the other thread.


Thanks Angie


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: LilPuma on February 04, 2007, 06:47:23 PM
Quote from: "Cat"
i feel that a forum like SM is ideal in helping with and stopping these predators,by watching,educating and alerting people.I know no politics,but ask the hard questions and accept no pat answers about child ,molesters,etc.CAT    Bears 7-colts 0


Laura Bush just announced that she's going to get involved in missing and exploited children.  Perhaps we should contact her or that agency to see what we can do.  

Bears 7, Colts 6


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Rob on February 04, 2007, 06:52:27 PM
Quote from: "LilPuma"
Quote from: "Cat"
i feel that a forum like SM is ideal in helping with and stopping these predators,by watching,educating and alerting people.I know no politics,but ask the hard questions and accept no pat answers about child ,molesters,etc.CAT    Bears 7-colts 0


Laura Bush just announced that she's going to get involved in missing and exploited children.  Perhaps we should contact her or that agency to see what we can do.  

Bears 7, Colts 6


Now Im happy... this is the best news I could have hope for. A First Lady with a real sense of decency. Sometimes you can make a bigger difference without running for political office and promoting your OWN agenda.

Way to Go Laura... ahhh sorryyyyy I meant Mrs. Bush.

I was overwhelmed with emotion there for a second.  :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: LilPuma on February 04, 2007, 06:54:54 PM
Quote from: "msmarple"
Not so good morning, Monkeys.

On another sad note, 20 people died in the Florida storms last week.  :cry:  Winds up to 165 mph.

I will say that FEMA response seems good. The new director is the ex-fire chief from Dade County - he seems to know what needs doing after a disaster. "Here to assist ... The damage is too great for a single entity to deal with ..."

National Guard and minimum-risk prison inmates helping ... Gov. Crist cancelled his plans to attend the Super Bowl.

Strange story: a flock of 18 whooping cranes, guided by ultra-light planes to a wildlife refuge at Crystal River, all were killed.

"The deaths of the birds were a stunning setback to a project aimed at creating a second migratory flock of the endangered birds in North America."


I knew about Kaitlin, heard about the tornado victims, but when I heard about the cranes also, I knew I had enough.  I had to take some time to NOT think about the bad news.  I saw a special about the cranes and they've been working for years to save them.  There has to be something we can do to stop these predators, not just put them on crocodile island forever.  Although I'd like the crocodile island thing to materialize.  

Bears 14, Colts 6


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: BTgirl on February 04, 2007, 06:56:57 PM
If anyone has Sleuth's e-mail, would you please send her mine?

sockmonkey_mom@yahoo.com

I need to pass on another e-mail address to her.  :lol:

TY


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: LilPuma on February 04, 2007, 06:57:34 PM
Quote from: "Rob"

Now Im happy... this is the best news I could have hope for. A First Lady with a real sense of decency. Sometimes you can make a bigger difference without running for political office and promoting your OWN agenda.

Way to Go Laura... ahhh sorryyyyy I meant Mrs. Bush.

I was overwhelmed with emotion there for a second.  :D


 :lol: There was a FP article on it.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on February 04, 2007, 07:05:20 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
If anyone has Sleuth's e-mail, would you please send her mine?

sockmonkey_mom@yahoo.com

I need to pass on another e-mail address to her.  :lol:

TY


BT I have it and will email her now..


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: BTgirl on February 04, 2007, 07:29:02 PM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "BTgirl"
If anyone has Sleuth's e-mail, would you please send her mine?

sockmonkey_mom@yahoo.com

I need to pass on another e-mail address to her.  :lol:

TY


BT I have it and will email her now..


Thanks, Angie!  :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on February 04, 2007, 07:38:17 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Rob and Angie - do you think there's any way that baby wandered there by herself or is it too far?


Evening Monkeys, signing in and again happen to see that in all likelyhood the toddler Nyia Pages' body has been found. IMO LE better haul the three adult males in for questioning that were there in that house. For the life of me i can not understand how anyone could possibly hurt such a sweet little girl.

I like Rob's post earlier, "Maybe next week will be an Ownby week". I sure hope so.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: mishy on February 04, 2007, 07:42:53 PM
I'm just now getting back on after a long nap and just read about the little baby's body they found. Why, who??? would kill such a precious, defenseless little innocent? What a coward! What's the deal with the father? That poor baby!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on February 04, 2007, 07:43:26 PM
Quote from: "BTgirl"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "BTgirl"
If anyone has Sleuth's e-mail, would you please send her mine?

sockmonkey_mom@yahoo.com

I need to pass on another e-mail address to her.  :lol:

TY


BT I have it and will email her now..


Thanks, Angie!  :D


BT I copied your post and sent that to her. YW.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on February 04, 2007, 07:45:17 PM
Quote from: "mishy"
I'm just now getting back on after a long nap and just read about the little baby's body they found. Why, who??? would kill such a precious, defenseless little innocent? What a coward! What's the deal with the father? That poor baby!!


Hoping perhaps there will be more about this all on tonights 11:00 news.
:(
If anyone didnt notice. Cubee posted a link in Kaitlins thread.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: mishy on February 04, 2007, 07:50:05 PM
I saw that Ang, and I can't wait til they level murder charges on Lewis  :evil:  :evil:  :x


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on February 04, 2007, 07:53:33 PM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "mishy"
I'm just now getting back on after a long nap and just read about the little baby's body they found. Why, who??? would kill such a precious, defenseless little innocent? What a coward! What's the deal with the father? That poor baby!!


Hoping perhaps there will be more about this all on tonights 11:00 news.
:(
If anyone didnt notice. Cubee posted a link in Kaitlins thread.


Latest said they brought the father back in for a second lie detector test. Must have had a good reason. Hope we hear soon. So sick of the same old scenario taking the lives of sweet babies. Baby crying, sick/drugged adult losses temper , hits/shakes/throws baby, panics.....shouldn't jump to conclusions, sorry....will wait to hear.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: mishy on February 04, 2007, 07:56:36 PM
Well, I gotta get off here for awhile...this has been one helluva draining weekend. God bless us everyone, and especially the children!

{{{{Monkeys}}}}


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on February 04, 2007, 07:56:49 PM
I agree BB  and Also with you Mishy. Sick pricks.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on February 04, 2007, 07:59:53 PM
Here ya go.....

>>>>snipped

Her family reported her missing about 7:30 a.m. Saturday.She had last been seen about 12:30 a.m. Saturday, when she woke up and was put back to bed, according to her mother.

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/news/cityregion/s_491736.html


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Rob on February 04, 2007, 08:01:22 PM
Ms Aydell  God Bless her.

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/020307aydellmother.jpg)


Ms. Aydell and Kaitlin

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/God2.jpg)

God and Kaitlin

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/Godshands1.jpg)

And We say goodbye to Kaitlin

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/GodandButterfly.jpg)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Rob on February 04, 2007, 08:04:04 PM
... seeing that all together made me cry...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on February 04, 2007, 08:05:22 PM
Quote from: "Rob"
... seeing that all together made me cry...



Ummm  hugs... :(


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on February 04, 2007, 08:10:50 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OhIycTmGbGc


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Cat on February 04, 2007, 08:24:16 PM
Yes,Klass I did.Yes contact Laura Bush or anyone.It all helps.Colts 16-14CAT


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: msmarple on February 04, 2007, 08:35:05 PM
Anna sent this to me via email:

MILWAUKEE —  A whooping crane was spotted alive on Sunday after it was believed killed with 17 others in severe Florida storms, according to an organizer of a migratory project.

Organizers received a signal from a transmitter on the young male crane on Saturday night and again on Sunday near where the endangered birds were kept in Citrus County, Fla. Later Sunday, they saw the survivor with two sandhill cranes, said Rachel Levin, a spokeswoman with the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service.

"We are just so relieved to have found him alive _ one small ray of hope for this disaster in the crane project," Levin said.

Organizers will continue to track and monitor the bird, she said.

The 18 whooping cranes were being kept in an enclosure at the Chassahowitzka National Wildlife Refuge near Crystal River, Fla., when violent storms moved in Thursday night.

The birds were led south in December by ultralight aircraft as part of a project to create a second migratory flock. Organizers of the project thought they had perished in the storms. But when they went to recover the cranes' carcasses Saturday, one was missing, Levin said.

(more at FOX News)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: msmarple on February 04, 2007, 08:46:56 PM
I know there are some monkeys who are crazy about Prince - he did a FINE half time show, in the rain. (Purple rain, at that ... )


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: klaasend on February 04, 2007, 08:50:57 PM
Quote from: "msmarple"
I know there are some monkeys who are crazy about Prince - he did a FINE half time show, in the rain. (Purple rain, at that ... )

Personally, I've never understood the facination with him although he did do a good job with the half time show, especially given the rain.  He's just not my type.   :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: justinsmama on February 04, 2007, 08:54:45 PM
Colts 22
Bears 14


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: msmarple on February 04, 2007, 08:56:08 PM
Colts lead 19-14.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: justinsmama on February 04, 2007, 08:57:43 PM
Justin is counting Colts' chickens before they are hatched.  :?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: msmarple on February 04, 2007, 09:02:20 PM
justinsmama - you run faster than I do!

klaas - I sorta agree about Prince, but he's one of those great showmen - great live performances. Excellent musician too.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: msmarple on February 04, 2007, 09:08:40 PM
Another cautionary tale re. the internet, and LOOK AT THIS MAN'S AGE:

The Atlanta Journal-Constitution

Quote
Published on: 02/01/07 11:43 AM

69-year-old man arrested for sex with teen he met on Internet

A 69-year-old Sandy Springs man was arrested after allegedly having sex with a teen boy he met on the Internet, police said.

Forsyth County Sheriffs removed James Morrow Roper from his subsidized senior apartment at The Hellenic Tower on Roswell Road, last Thursday, said Capt. Frank Huggins, public information officer for the Forsyth County Sheriff’s Office.

They also confiscated Roper’s computers as evidence.

“He allegedly met the victim on MySpace,” Huggins said, referring to the popular Web site MySpace.com. “He arranged to meet the child in Forsyth County and took him to a location in Atlanta where he allegedly had sexual relations with the child.”


klaas - Don't know if it's okay to use all that information? Edit if you need to.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: msmarple on February 04, 2007, 09:10:32 PM
Colts 22-17


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: klaasend on February 04, 2007, 09:13:03 PM
msmarple - not a problem


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: justinsmama on February 04, 2007, 09:29:10 PM
Colts 29
Bears 17

 :P


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Red on February 04, 2007, 09:32:47 PM
OK, I thought this before the Super Bowl but he has cemented my opinion by his play.

Rex Grossman is the worse quarterback ever to play in a Super Bowl. This guy should not even be a second or third string QB on most teams.

All the Bears needed was a below adequate QB to compete ... Grossman is a joke. A total and complete joke.

Ok, rant over ... ;)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: klaasend on February 04, 2007, 09:35:14 PM
Quote from: "Red"
OK, I thought this before the Super Bowl but he has cemented my opinion by his play.

Rex Grossman is the worse quarterback ever to play in a Super Bowl. This guy should not even be a second or third string QB on most teams.

All the Bears needed was a below adequate QB to compete ... Grossman is a joke. A total and complete joke.

Ok, rant over ... ;)

I don't have a problem with Grossman  :wink:  :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: justinsmama on February 04, 2007, 09:36:26 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Red"
OK, I thought this before the Super Bowl but he has cemented my opinion by his play.

Rex Grossman is the worse quarterback ever to play in a Super Bowl. This guy should not even be a second or third string QB on most teams.

All the Bears needed was a below adequate QB to compete ... Grossman is a joke. A total and complete joke.

Ok, rant over ... ;)

I don't have a problem with Grossman  :wink:  :lol:  :lol:


Neither do I!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Cat on February 04, 2007, 09:39:49 PM
I was PIP when the commercials were first half,to hear BOR.His comments on Vermont were accurate.What words did I miss on the Blockbuster commercial.I was also cooking.I disagree on the QB comment Red,Garo Y. was worse.I didn't like Rex in college, he body hitches to often.Number 54 is a brute.I did like the Gorilla commercial.CAT


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Cat on February 04, 2007, 09:44:17 PM
I don't like my space,for that reason.Did you see the to catch a predator where he says,"you look familar."A repeat offender.Bundy offered over triple digit confessions for his life.These guys don't appear out of no where we just don't notice,or choose not to.CAT


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Red on February 04, 2007, 09:48:58 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Red"
OK, I thought this before the Super Bowl but he has cemented my opinion by his play.

Rex Grossman is the worse quarterback ever to play in a Super Bowl. This guy should not even be a second or third string QB on most teams.

All the Bears needed was a below adequate QB to compete ... Grossman is a joke. A total and complete joke.

Ok, rant over ... ;)

I don't have a problem with Grossman  :wink:  :lol:  :lol:


By the looks of that hat I am sure you don't. The one blessing is at least Manning can get his SB ring so we do not have to hear announcers fawning over him.

There are probably 15 back up QB's in the NFL that could have started for the Bears today and done a better job. If it were not for the Bear defense this game would have been 40-17 easily.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: justinsmama on February 04, 2007, 09:55:01 PM
Hey, that hat is homemade! :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: justinsmama on February 04, 2007, 09:58:13 PM
COLTS WIN THE SUPER BOWL!!!! WHOOHOOOOOOO!!!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: LilPuma on February 04, 2007, 09:58:28 PM
:(
Congrats to all you Colts fans.  Although I don't follow football much, I had to cheer for the Bears, so I'll be pouting.  Good night.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: mishy on February 04, 2007, 10:05:36 PM
Quote from: "Rob"
... seeing that all together made me cry...


Rob, you're doing a pretty good job at making me cry with your poignant pictures this weekend...

And no, I will not click that youtube link and listen to Tears in Heaven....I don't need to have an all-out breakdown tonight!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: mishy on February 04, 2007, 10:06:56 PM
Quote from: "msmarple"
Anna sent this to me via email:

MILWAUKEE —  A whooping crane was spotted alive on Sunday after it was believed killed with 17 others in severe Florida storms, according to an organizer of a migratory project.

Organizers received a signal from a transmitter on the young male crane on Saturday night and again on Sunday near where the endangered birds were kept in Citrus County, Fla. Later Sunday, they saw the survivor with two sandhill cranes, said Rachel Levin, a spokeswoman with the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service.

"We are just so relieved to have found him alive _ one small ray of hope for this disaster in the crane project," Levin said.

Organizers will continue to track and monitor the bird, she said.

The 18 whooping cranes were being kept in an enclosure at the Chassahowitzka National Wildlife Refuge near Crystal River, Fla., when violent storms moved in Thursday night.

The birds were led south in December by ultralight aircraft as part of a project to create a second migratory flock. Organizers of the project thought they had perished in the storms. But when they went to recover the cranes' carcasses Saturday, one was missing, Levin said.

(more at FOX News)


Thanks, MsMarple...I'm so glad this fighter is still whooping  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: klaasend on February 04, 2007, 10:23:17 PM
I'm very happy for the Colts!  I agree with Red, the Bears quarterback gave the game away.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: justinsmama on February 04, 2007, 10:34:13 PM
Thank you, Klaas.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: klaasend on February 04, 2007, 10:39:16 PM
Quote from: "justinsmama"
Thank you, Klaas.

 :?: You're welcome but what are you thanking me for?   :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Rob on February 04, 2007, 10:40:09 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
I'm very happy for the Colts!  I agree with Red, the Bears quarterback gave the game away.


Good game considering all the rain and Grossman's terrible play.

Seems like just a year ago the Steelers were kicking ass and just only two two years ago the Pats were Kings of the Hill.

Oh how time flies....

I picked the Pats and Steelers in the AFC championship game this year... at least I had one of them right... LOL..

Congrats to the Colts.

Peyton is a class act. Im happy for him and Coach Dungy <a former Steeler, I could let that slip by>...

Also, congrats to the Bears for playing a good clean game and they deserve to also be recognized.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Rob on February 04, 2007, 10:42:53 PM
Im very very happy for the Colt Monks.... enjoy a year goes by so fast these day... its not like an old fashion year that dragged on for 366 days... LOL..

And I didnt mean to type 'two two' in the last post... damm Coors light...lmao...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: klaasend on February 04, 2007, 10:46:01 PM
Quote from: "Rob"
Im very very happy for the Colt Monks.... enjoy a year goes by so fast these day... its not like an old fashion year that dragged on for 366 days... LOL..

And I didnt mean to type 'two two' in the last post... damm Coors light...lmao...

You drinking Coors light after all those BUD commercials, LOL  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Rob on February 04, 2007, 10:50:04 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Rob"
Im very very happy for the Colt Monks.... enjoy a year goes by so fast these day... its not like an old fashion year that dragged on for 366 days... LOL..

And I didnt mean to type 'two two' in the last post... damm Coors light...lmao...

You drinking Coors light after all those BUD commercials, LOL  :lol:


Klaas, I think my favorite commercial was the one where Gaffney was in the karate class...something about him just makes me laff my ass off... I really needed a big laff... we all did....Hotpockets......:D

but there were so many... :D  :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: justinsmama on February 04, 2007, 10:51:53 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "justinsmama"
Thank you, Klaas.

 :?: You're welcome but what are you thanking me for?   :lol:


Your happiness for the Colts!

Goodnight all.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: sb on February 04, 2007, 10:58:13 PM
It's official: The citizenship of Rex Grossman in the Gator Nation is hereby revoked. Way NOT to represent, pal.

Gator QB's DO NOT gift-wrap rings for ex-follies like paid-a-ton. That is unacceptable.

Maybe Rex is a closet Colts fan seeing as how he is from Indiana. Better check and make sure he wasn't "in the bag" or something.  :wink:

LOL! Just trying to find a little humor in what has been a terrible last couple of days. I have been so discouraged about Kaitlin and her family. That breaks my heart for all involved.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Rob on February 04, 2007, 10:59:35 PM
Quote from: "sb"
It's official: The citizenship of Rex Grossman in the Gator Nation is hereby revoked. Way NOT to represent, pal.

Gator QB's DO NOT gift-wrap rings for ex-follies like paid-a-ton. That is unacceptable.

Maybe Rex is a closet Colts fan seeing as how he is from Indiana. Better check and make sure he wasn't "in the bag" or something.  :wink:

LOL! Just trying to find a little humor in what has been a terrible last couple of days. I have been so discouraged about Kaitlin and her family. That breaks my heart for all involved.


SB- thank the Lord hes not a Cav....


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: sb on February 04, 2007, 11:03:41 PM
Rob who was MVP?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: dkpen on February 04, 2007, 11:04:10 PM
Hi everyone!

Just a drive by for a quick post for those who have not seen this yet. And if it's been previously posted, oops. I haven't read back today.

February 5, 2007
 
Aruba Taking Action To Counter Their Boycott
 
Summary: Status Update: Aruba is taking action to lure more tourists to their island after the boycott inspired by the disappearance of Natalee Holloway has dramatically affected their economy.
 
    The boycott of Aruba triggered by the lack of action, or incompetence of Aruban officials as some may say, surrounding the disappearance of Natalee Holloway is being countered by Aruba.

   Over the past few months, at least one hotel in Aruba has been sold, which indicates that investors saw bargains, probably because soft sales lowered property values. Over the past few months, Aruba has been investing heavily into enticements to lure cruise lines into making Aruba a port of call, which has the effect of bringing in tourism dollars less hotel stays, as those vacationers can sleep in their ship-board rooms. The cruise-lines are bringing people into Aruba who would otherwise not pick Aruba as a primary vacation destination, but will go there if it happens to be one of several ports of call.

   While this has brought dollars into restaurants and souvenir shops, some of which sell Arubas secondary industry items being creams and lotions, it has not increased hotel nights, which is a major revenue stream for Arubas economy. To solve this problem, Aruba is now building up hotel-based tourism using their tried and true marketing techniques to increase hotel nights, rather than creating new marketing concepts and logos.

   Over the past few months, Boycott Watch has been contacted by several Arubans, including one tourism official, all making the same claim that the hotel sale and increased television advertisements indicate the boycott is over, to which Boycott Watch has responded by correcting them - investment is not an indication that the boycott is over, rather investor speculation and advertisement respectively, thus indicating some people think the boycott has reached its peak or that the Aruba economy has hit bottom and that Aruba is looking toward a brighter future.

   The most recent economic numbers we have seen back that up, and at the same time we at Boycott Watch would not be surprised if the boycott of Aruba, which has had a definite effect on their economy, is waning, particularly because Natalee Holloway is no longer in the news every day. Considering, however, the high profile of this case, there are certainly many people who will not visit Aruba if not in memory of Natalee Holloway, in fear of their own personal safety considering the poor self-image Aruba created for itself.

   Aruba has been hurt by the boycott against them, and while they are working to recover from the boycott, it remains to be seen if the tourism numbers ever return to its former glory. While some people will continue to boycott Aruba indefinitely, any natural growth of business may mask the boycott, but it will be seen as a stunt in growth. Additionally, while the economic pains Aruba has seen nowhere compare to the pain Natalee's family continues to feel, the boycott accomplished its goal of telling Aruba that Americans stand with Natalee Holloway's family.  
 
http://www.boycottwatch.org/misc/aruba5.htm


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: robots on February 04, 2007, 11:05:43 PM
<---------waiting for the NY yankees to start playing !!




kick some RED SOX out of the park

 :lol:

Yankees RULE  8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: sb on February 04, 2007, 11:05:49 PM
I just found it. But of course.

He could have thrown 6 INTS and fumbled 3 times and not completed a pass but when they won, he was a lock.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: robots on February 04, 2007, 11:09:04 PM
the BOYCOTT has only just begun
 8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Cat on February 04, 2007, 11:09:49 PM
AT LEAST HE CLIMB UP AND LEAD THE BAND IN ROCKY TOP.I did like the gorilla /Bud commercial.what was special about the Net flix and blockbuster.My neighbors the owls have returned and they are noisy at 5:00.oh well ,time for a nap and deep purrs and thoughts.Cat


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: sb on February 04, 2007, 11:10:11 PM
Somehow, Beth needs to get back into the news. Things have been very slow recently.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on February 04, 2007, 11:13:03 PM
Confirmed the body of the baby is that of Niya  :(
In a snow covered field..
FbI and police still investigating..
second polygraph test given to father.
Autopsy neing done tomorrow to determine cause of death

 ALso close by a father and his 3 kids found dead in rostraver, PA

 Dad and mom seperated recently.. and he had a visit with the kids.. mom came to pick them up.. no answer at the door.. all fodn dead upstairs.. :( he killed his kids and himself.

WTF this  is so sick


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on February 04, 2007, 11:13:46 PM
SOB should have just offed himself  IMO..  :evil:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Cat on February 04, 2007, 11:13:57 PM
i will support the boycott forever.It needs to be continued.One Major travel agent refuses bus's to the abc's for Beth and safety issues.Cat


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Dihannah1 on February 04, 2007, 11:14:15 PM
Hi all!  Just flying by too.  Read dkpens article, and thanks for sharing.  One question comes to mind....   hhmm, want to do something about tourism?  Hey! here's an idea!   Solve Natalees case and bring it out in the open!  Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that one out.  Save yourselves some time and money, and just do one thing!  geesh!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Dihannah1 on February 04, 2007, 11:14:48 PM
Oh and noticed Rob posting again!  Welcome back Rob!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: robots on February 04, 2007, 11:18:14 PM
Quote from: "Cat"
i will support the boycott forever.It needs to be continued.One Major travel agent refuses bus's to the abc's for Beth and safety issues.Cat


me too

sending out messages to all ROBOTS to BOYCOTT

are you sending out messages to all CATS ?

 8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: LilPuma on February 04, 2007, 11:23:00 PM
I copied this over for the families of Niya and Kaitlin and Natalee and so many others.....

Quilt of Holes

As I faced my Maker at the last judgment, I knelt before the Lord along with all the other souls.

Before each of us laid our lives like the squares of a quilt in many piles; an angel sat before each of us sewing our quilt squares together into a tapestry that is our life.

But as my angel took each piece of cloth off the pile, I noticed how ragged and empty each of my squares was. They were filled with giant holes. Each square was labeled with a part of my life that had been
difficult, the challenges and temptations I was faced with in every day life. I saw hardships that I endured, which were the largest holes of all.

I glanced around me. Nobody else had such squares. Other than a tiny hole here and there, the other tapestries were filled with rich color and the bright hues of worldly fortune. I gazed upon my own life and was
disheartened.

My angel was sewing the ragged pieces of cloth together, threadbare and empty, like binding air.

Finally the time came when each life was to be displayed, held up to the light, the scrutiny of truth. The others rose; each in turn, holding up their tapestries. So filled their lives had been. My angel looked upon
me, and nodded for me to rise.

My gaze dropped to the ground in shame. I hadn't had all the earthly fortunes. I had love in my life, and laughter. But there had also been trials of illness, and wealth, and false accusations that took from me my world, as I knew it. I had to start over many times. I often struggled with the temptation to quit, only to somehow muster the strength to pick up and begin again. I spent many nights on my knees in prayer, asking for help and guidance in my life. I had often been held
up to ridicule, which I endured painfully, each time offering it up to the Father in hopes that I would not melt within my skin beneath the
judgmental gaze of those who unfairly judged me.

And now, I had to face the truth. My life was what it was, and I had to accept it for what it was.

I rose and slowly lifted the combined squares of my life to the light.

An awe-filled gasp filled the air. I gazed around at the others who stared at me with wide eyes.

Then, I looked upon the tapestry before me. Light flooded the many holes, creating an image, the face of Christ. Then our Lord stood before me, with warmth and love in His eyes. He said, "Every time you gave over
your life to Me, it became My life, My hardships, and My struggles.

Each point of light in your life is when you stepped aside and let Me shine through, until there was more of Me than there was of you."

May all our quilts be threadbare and worn, allowing Christ to shine through!

When there is nothing left but God that is when you find out that God is all you need.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on February 04, 2007, 11:26:11 PM
Very touching Lil Puma..


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Sleuth on February 04, 2007, 11:34:06 PM
Quote from: "Red"
OK, I thought this before the Super Bowl but he has cemented my opinion by his play.

Rex Grossman is the worse quarterback ever to play in a Super Bowl. This guy should not even be a second or third string QB on most teams.

All the Bears needed was a below adequate QB to compete ... Grossman is a joke. A total and complete joke.

Ok, rant over ... ;)


I rather liked the way Grossman played today....I was cheering for his continued manuevers throughout   :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Sleuth on February 04, 2007, 11:36:21 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "msmarple"
I know there are some monkeys who are crazy about Prince - he did a FINE half time show, in the rain. (Purple rain, at that ... )

Personally, I've never understood the facination with him although he did do a good job with the half time show, especially given the rain.  He's just not my type.   :wink:


I probably like him most because back in his Purple Rain days if you saw the purple lights against his huge white recording studio you could stop by and see him playing live and impromptu...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: bleachedblack on February 04, 2007, 11:43:29 PM
Quote from: "Sleuth"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "msmarple"
I know there are some monkeys who are crazy about Prince - he did a FINE half time show, in the rain. (Purple rain, at that ... )

Personally, I've never understood the facination with him although he did do a good job with the half time show, especially given the rain.  He's just not my type.   :wink:


I probably like him most because back in his Purple Rain days if you saw the purple lights against his huge white recording studio you could stop by and see him playing live and impromptu...


I never really liked his music, but I can appreciate the fact that he is an excellent musical artistic talent. IMO

My favorite Price....the video makes me laugh!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4b1tqBsoou0


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: IndyDan on February 04, 2007, 11:43:44 PM
Quote from: "Red"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Red"
OK, I thought this before the Super Bowl but he has cemented my opinion by his play.

Rex Grossman is the worse quarterback ever to play in a Super Bowl. This guy should not even be a second or third string QB on most teams.

All the Bears needed was a below adequate QB to compete ... Grossman is a joke. A total and complete joke.

Ok, rant over ... ;)

I don't have a problem with Grossman  :wink:  :lol:  :lol:


By the looks of that hat I am sure you don't. The one blessing is at least Manning can get his SB ring so we do not have to hear announcers fawning over him.

There are probably 15 back up QB's in the NFL that could have started for the Bears today and done a better job. If it were not for the Bear defense this game would have been 40-17 easily.

Actually I predicted to my extended Chicago family a score of 34 - 13 but based that on ideal weather conditions.  Never figured it would be a downpour the whole game which favored the Bears.  It was the Bears defense that lost the game.  Don't try to blame it on Grossman, look at the stats.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: San on February 04, 2007, 11:47:20 PM
Quote from: "Sleuth"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "msmarple"
I know there are some monkeys who are crazy about Prince - he did a FINE half time show, in the rain. (Purple rain, at that ... )

Personally, I've never understood the facination with him although he did do a good job with the half time show, especially given the rain.  He's just not my type.   :wink:


I probably like him most because back in his Purple Rain days if you saw the purple lights against his huge white recording studio you could stop by and see him playing live and impromptu...

My sister said he is a good basketball player and he plays basketball in  LA Gear Stilettos and even dunks the ball :lol: .


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: IndyDan on February 04, 2007, 11:48:14 PM
The girls are game, we're heading downtown to join in on the celebration. Already scheduled tomorrow off as a Vday.  The official celebration is tomorrow at 4:30, plan to be there too.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: SunFreak2 on February 04, 2007, 11:57:24 PM
Quote from: LilPuma
I copied this over for the families of Niya and Kaitlin and Natalee and so many others.....

Quilt of Holes......

When there is nothing left but God that is when you find out that God is all you need.[/
quote]

Been there, experienced this humbling event.


Title: Party at my house!!
Post by: IBE on February 05, 2007, 12:00:21 AM
OT Been monthly grocery shopping all late afternoon and carrying in stuff; no traffic because of the Super Bowl game.. got home before any drunks. The checkout people were pleading over the intercom that their aisle was open!!!. Never, ever have heard that in Los Angeles before!

At the grocery they said the Colts won, so I went back in to buy stuff for a 1 person celebration (good excuse even if they didn't win)

But decided to invite all Scared Monkeys to my home for an after game party, midnight party or early breakfast party depending on your time zone!!
And for those who have bad days lately and in a funk! Did they win tho?
You are all invited,
I'll post in the lounge what we are having... White Castles are on the menu!  (they are shipped frozen here to the grocery but don't taste as good as the real thing!)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: mishy on February 05, 2007, 12:12:43 AM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Confirmed the body of the baby is that of Niya  :(
In a snow covered field..
FbI and police still investigating..
second polygraph test given to father.
Autopsy neing done tomorrow to determine cause of death

 ALso close by a father and his 3 kids found dead in rostraver, PA

 Dad and mom seperated recently.. and he had a visit with the kids.. mom came to pick them up.. no answer at the door.. all fodn dead upstairs.. :( he killed his kids and himself.

WTF this  is so sick


What a sombitch! :x  :x  :x This really makes me angry. What a sob!!!!!!


Title: Re: Party at my house!!
Post by: klaasend on February 05, 2007, 12:17:21 AM
Quote from: "IBE"
OT Been monthly grocery shopping all late afternoon and carrying in stuff; no traffic because of the Super Bowl game.. got home before any drunks. The checkout people were pleading over the intercom that their aisle was open!!!. Never, ever have heard that in Los Angeles before!

At the grocery they said the Colts won, so I went back in to buy stuff for a 1 person celebration (good excuse even if they didn't win)

But decided to invite all Scared Monkeys to my home for an after game party, midnight party or early breakfast party depending on your time zone!!
And for those who have bad days lately and in a funk! Did they win tho?
You are all invited,
I'll post in the lounge what we are having... White Castles are on the menu!  (they are shipped frozen here to the grocery but don't taste as good as the real thing!)


IBE - too funny!  Nice you didn't have lines at the grocery store!  I tried those frozen White Castles once but I must not have heated them up right..they were sortof mushy.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: mishy on February 05, 2007, 12:30:11 AM
Quote from: SunFreak2
Quote from: "LilPuma"
I copied this over for the families of Niya and Kaitlin and Natalee and so many others.....

Quilt of Holes......

When there is nothing left but God that is when you find out that God is all you need.[/
quote]

Been there, experienced this humbling event.


LilPuma, that was beautiful. Thank you for sharing. It's a nice thing to read just before I say my prayers at bedtime. Thanks for helping cap the day off for me  :wink:


Title: Re: Party at my house!!
Post by: Altruist on February 05, 2007, 12:46:31 AM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "IBE"
OT Been monthly grocery shopping all late afternoon and carrying in stuff; no traffic because of the Super Bowl game.. got home before any drunks. The checkout people were pleading over the intercom that their aisle was open!!!. Never, ever have heard that in Los Angeles before!

At the grocery they said the Colts won, so I went back in to buy stuff for a 1 person celebration (good excuse even if they didn't win)

But decided to invite all Scared Monkeys to my home for an after game party, midnight party or early breakfast party depending on your time zone!!
And for those who have bad days lately and in a funk! Did they win tho?
You are all invited,
I'll post in the lounge what we are having... White Castles are on the menu!  (they are shipped frozen here to the grocery but don't taste as good as the real thing!)


IBE - too funny!  Nice you didn't have lines at the grocery store!  I tried those frozen White Castles once but I must not have heated them up right..they were sortof mushy.


Anything with a bun should be doublewrapped in a paper towel, completely enclosed IMO or you get mush for a bun.  LOL


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Sleuth on February 05, 2007, 01:01:29 AM
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
I never really liked his music, but I can appreciate the fact that he is an excellent musical artistic talent. IMO

My favorite Price....the video makes me laugh!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4b1tqBsoou0


That is a great song, and a funny beginning to the video...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Sleuth on February 05, 2007, 01:02:09 AM
Quote from: "sb"
Somehow, Beth needs to get back into the news. Things have been very slow recently.


I agree, SB.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: BIGORANGECRUSH on February 05, 2007, 01:03:36 AM
BOC here! Just returned from SB party!  :D  :D Dungy and Peyton are great examples for our youth to follow! :D  :D

Sure shows the Heisman Trohpy to be the political  media GARBAGE it is!!!! :P  :P  :P  :P  :P  :P


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on February 05, 2007, 01:06:04 AM
Quote from: "Sleuth"
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
I never really liked his music, but I can appreciate the fact that he is an excellent musical artistic talent. IMO

My favorite Price....the video makes me laugh!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4b1tqBsoou0


That is a great song, and a funny beginning to the video...


 WOW I feel old.. LOL  Doves Cry and Little red corvette were favorites of mine back in the.. errrrrrrrr.. way back when..lol


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on February 05, 2007, 01:06:54 AM
Quote from: "BIGORANGECRUSH"
BOC here! Just returned from SB party!  :D  :D Dungy and Peyton are great examples for our youth to follow! :D  :D

Sure shows the Heisman Trohpy to be the political  media GARBAGE it is!!!! :P  :P  :P  :P  :P  :P


 Howdy there BOC.. hope you had fun at the par~tay  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: BIGORANGECRUSH on February 05, 2007, 01:10:12 AM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "BIGORANGECRUSH"
BOC here! Just returned from SB party!  :D  :D Dungy and Peyton are great examples for our youth to follow! :D  :D

Sure shows the Heisman Trohpy to be the political  media GARBAGE it is!!!! :P  :P  :P  :P  :P  :P


 Howdy there BOC.. hope you had fun at the par~tay  :wink:


HAPPY I HAD A DESIGNATED DRIVER :!:  :wink:  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on February 05, 2007, 01:11:00 AM
Quote from: "BIGORANGECRUSH"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "BIGORANGECRUSH"
BOC here! Just returned from SB party!  :D  :D Dungy and Peyton are great examples for our youth to follow! :D  :D

Sure shows the Heisman Trohpy to be the political  media GARBAGE it is!!!! :P  :P  :P  :P  :P  :P


 Howdy there BOC.. hope you had fun at the par~tay  :wink:


HAPPY I HAD A DESIGNATED DRIVER :!:  :wink:  :wink:


LOL~!!  Thats good that you were careful!  :)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: BIGORANGECRUSH on February 05, 2007, 01:13:53 AM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "BIGORANGECRUSH"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "BIGORANGECRUSH"
BOC here! Just returned from SB party!  :D  :D Dungy and Peyton are great examples for our youth to follow! :D  :D

Sure shows the Heisman Trohpy to be the political  media GARBAGE it is!!!! :P  :P  :P  :P  :P  :P


 Howdy there BOC.. hope you had fun at the par~tay  :wink:


HAPPY I HAD A DESIGNATED DRIVER :!:  :wink:  :wink:


LOL~!!  Thats good that you were careful!  :)


Did you not party tonite?? We had a cheerleader group at  our party that spiced the party up!  :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on February 05, 2007, 01:15:45 AM
LOL I had a few adult beverages BOC..  lol
Oh I be you really had fun with cheerleaders. did they were VS ?  lol


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: BIGORANGECRUSH on February 05, 2007, 01:20:03 AM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
LOL I had a few adult beverages BOC..  lol
Oh I be you really had fun with cheerleaders. did they were VS ?  lol


They wore real skimmpy cheer outfits and shook more that their Pom Poms! Those might have been VS cheerleader outfits!!! :wink:  :wink:


Title: It's Party time at IBE's
Post by: IBE on February 05, 2007, 01:21:57 AM
Wow, did I splurge for company! Finally carried it all in!

Party is on!!! You are invite and food list is in the Monkey Lounge! :lol:

You guys (Mid-western generic for "you-all) are invited to an after the game party at IBE's :lol:  :lol:  
Featured guests are all Scared Monkeys, including Justinsmon and IndyDan plus all Hoosiers and transplanted Hoosiers.
My dog and cat want me to especially tell you that pets are welcome! (OH, they are tired of me?)

Also I posted there about Aronia berry for those who can have it in your yard. I had it growing in a container, but the freeze here got it... It is org. native in the Midwest. I grew up on it Dad died at my present age and mom lived to 94 1/2.. She ate the berries but also liked whipped cream. Dad smoked and had his beer but he worked around lots of gear cuttings at Switzer-Cummins Corp near the Circle. Designed and cut gears for tanks, turbo chargers and race cars. Aronia has more anti-oxidents and V-C than most anything! Couldn't find it; have found it now so wish to share!

Plant can be bought on eBay from a nursury in Ohio now barerooted and can be planted soon in most of your yards. Can't be shipped to CA so have to do some creative thinking there.

Had to go back a few pages to see that the Colts won. I wish I were home (been here 37 yrs... you know, you take the girl off the farm :lol: but can't take the farm out of the girl.. yadda ya)

I grew up on 1/2 acre (that isn't a farm!) in the "sticks" my friends called it.. was nice then, now a even nicer suburb..  Maybe a former 4-H-er and an alum of Purdue helps? re: the farm.

OK let me know who's coming
so I won't eat all the fresh berries, the cheese thingie with nuts and drink all the Pumpkin ale..

Then we will warsh the dishes in the crick ... It took me a long time to drip the "r". As I get older, the accent is coming back again!  :lol:  :lol:

Actually Indiana has 3+++ accents (and at least 3 time zones)... a more Swedish, clear kind up north or used to be; central was that but more smooth and southern Indiana was more like KY.. some parts... with the "r" in wash.. Last time I went home it was all mixed together! Oh, the closer you get to Chicago you get their accent too.

See you guys?

Justinsmom and IndyDan... is the bourbon et al still brewed in KY and bottled in Indiana? Of course, some of us made our own. :oops:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on February 05, 2007, 01:22:36 AM
Quote from: "BIGORANGECRUSH"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
LOL I had a few adult beverages BOC..  lol
Oh I be you really had fun with cheerleaders. did they were VS ?  lol


They wore real skimmpy cheer outfits and shook more that their Pom Poms! Those might have been VS cheerleader outfits!!! :wink:  :wink:


LMAO  Im sure you were hiding your eyes and peeking through your fingers. :wink:  Wouldnt want Mrs BOC to smack yah.  :)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on February 05, 2007, 01:23:59 AM
LOL IBE  ~!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: BIGORANGECRUSH on February 05, 2007, 01:27:26 AM
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
Quote from: "BIGORANGECRUSH"
Quote from: "Angiex911dsptchr"
LOL I had a few adult beverages BOC..  lol
Oh I be you really had fun with cheerleaders. did they were VS ?  lol


They wore real skimmpy cheer outfits and shook more that their Pom Poms! Those might have been VS cheerleader outfits!!! :wink:  :wink:


LMAO  Im sure you were hiding your eyes and peeking through your fingers. :wink:  Wouldnt want Mrs BOC to smack yah.  :)


I was surprised she was not in a cheerleader outfit! Anyway she was in the other ballroom! I think they may have had some male cheerleaders of their own!! :lol:  :lol:


Title: Opps
Post by: IBE on February 05, 2007, 01:38:16 AM
Opps

Meant drop the "r" in "warsh" not drip it, oh well,

Klaas, I had fixed one while carrying in the groceries and it was "mush" too

Thanks, Alturist,  My Scared Monkey guests :lol:  :lol: and I will try wrapping the White Castles in the paper towels. You sure don't get many in a box, tho! May have to buy more. The first thing I do, when at home, is hit the White Castle, and the Steak and Shake. Guess won't get there again.

The gravy, the pork tenderloin sandwiches, the sweet tea, the mush, the corn, the tomotoes.. sure don't find that quality here! ah, German food, and good drinks too. I can't even find a real malted milk here! Sometimes I have to tell them how to make one or a real soda. Some older Jewish delis still know how to do it here, tho.

I couldn't find one Mexican place in Indy that was owned by Mexicans and the hot sauce wasn't that hot! I wanted my adopted family to come back to the my homestead (which is no longer now) and open one... but the father likes the weather here, too much.. heck make a fortune and then come back here. You sure can live cheaper and safer there.

Thanks for listening ie: reading  Love, IBE


Title: Par-tay
Post by: IBE on February 05, 2007, 01:48:25 AM
BOC count me in the women's room next year. I mean the women's Party section of the party :lol:  Am opening a Pumpkin Ale now. I think I am the only non-mostly drinker at the local American Legion Post

Talk about non-drinkers... I haven't seen Carnut lately. Is he OK?? Hope he didn't slide off the road in one of those nice cars :lol:

Had pumpkin beer once years ago... hope the ale is better. Let you know (if I remember to post again..ha ha)


Title: Re: Par-tay
Post by: klaasend on February 05, 2007, 01:52:43 AM
Quote from: "IBE"
BOC count me in the women's room next year. I mean the women's Party section of the party :lol:  Am opening a Pumpkin Ale now. I think I am the only non-mostly drinker at the local American Legion Post

Talk about non-drinkers... I haven't seen Carnut lately. Is he OK?? Hope he didn't slide off the road in one of those nice cars :lol:

Had pumpkin beer once years ago... hope the ale is better. Let you know (if I remember to post again..ha ha)

IBE - you are having way too much fun!  Wish I could come over to your house and party with you but I've got class tomorrow morning!


Title: Beth
Post by: IBE on February 05, 2007, 01:52:48 AM
I posted yesterday early this afternoon (I think) that maybe some of you who have a contact with Beth can arrange a phone call between Beth and the mom that Cubbee knows (Kaitlyn's mom). It might be good for both moms.

Hint Hint Red Mrs. Red what was the name of the store we are to remind him about? pearls wasn't it???


Title: Re: Beth
Post by: klaasend on February 05, 2007, 02:03:19 AM
Quote from: "IBE"
I posted yesterday early this afternoon (I think) that maybe some of you who have a contact with Beth can arrange a phone call between Beth and the mom that Cubbee knows (Kaitlyn's mom). It might be good for both moms.

Hint Hint Red Mrs. Red what was the name of the store we are to remind him about? pearls wasn't it???


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Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: klaasend on February 05, 2007, 02:06:51 AM
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Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: klaasend on February 05, 2007, 02:07:59 AM
GOODNIGHT ALL!  My class starts back up again tomorrow so I'll be gone until tomorrow afternoon.

I will check the forum before I leave and switch the thread if necessary.  See you all tomorrow.


Title: Party time etc
Post by: IBE on February 05, 2007, 02:22:30 AM
Klaas, you are already here! I'm having a Scared Monkey online blog party. I thought we needed to party after a few really icky days.

One minute of panic.. no bottle opener! then remembered I have a Swiss Army Knife for an emergency :lol:  OK Update on Pumpkin ale... noticed it had a dog paw print on the cap  oh gads.. but OK it's Sea Dog Brewing Co. Pumpkin Ale.. it says. (Got it at Trader Joe's don't know if they have an online store)

I can taste pumpkin. The dog on the label has a sea hat falling over his eye or is it my vision? Says in MI you get 10 cents for the bottle and other states 5, we only get 4 here. The 10 cent and 5 cent states are cold. Does anything hot come in beer bottles there?

Also says I can't drive, be pregnant, or operate machinery. so better get off the computer! also says may cause health problems... ha.. so what! been there, done that, right Peaches??

I get really shy or dance on the table when I embibe (I think I remember that :lol: it's been years) Used my make my own stuff.. for Kahlua (sp) we used to have to go to Mexico to afford it. Had a party once for film Industry Union heads when I was on and Studio mover, shakers we dealt with. Someone brought White Lightening. I'd see a crewmember years later and he/she would still remember me (nicely) & the party. Good thing I didn't have to drive. I sure didn't remember them.

I am really off topic but it's slow
. Am checking into the lounge to see if anyone besides Klaas is here at my party... my trailer is so large, you know! we may have to move and there were just a few White Castles in a box.

If I had my house now, we could dance the Shango Tango. The trailer complex so so quiet and there are 118 units here. (ie: sometimes dull) That's why I love being with "you guys" among other reasons.

I am not shy here like most places even tho I volunteer and am Pres. of some stuff.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: msmarple on February 05, 2007, 05:42:24 AM
I think I am going to have to investigate pumpkin ale ...  8)


Title: Good Morning
Post by: Leslie on February 05, 2007, 07:48:41 AM
Diario
http://www.diarioaruba.com/
Amigoe
http://www.amigoe.com/english/
BonDia
http://www.cspnv.com/
Solo di Pueblo
http://www.solodipueblo.com/
AweMainta
http://www.awemainta.com/
Aruba Today
http://www.arubatoday.com/
Translator:
http://papiamentu.donamaro.nl


Title: This is amazing!
Post by: Leslie on February 05, 2007, 07:52:54 AM
From Amigoe:

Opposition parties agree to a man: ‘Minister Lee has to resign’  

ORANJESTAD – AVP as well as RED are of the opinion that minister Ramon Lee (MEP) must resign.  AVP is also of the opinion that the Public Prosecutor didn’t act right by not prosecuting Lee, and Rudy Lampe (RED) says that the Catholic Church failed in this.  
Demanding a minister to resign is according to Lampe in order.  “People must make distinction between two things: has the minister handled incorrectly and with this, aggrieved the community materially, then he must definitely resign; is it a matter that concerns his private life, then it is for him to decide whether he resigns or not.
Lampe cited the Monica Lewinsky case, where the former American President Bill Clinton did not step down ultimately, in spite of having had sexual contact during working hours.  “In this case it was a private matter of the president and the deposition procedure was not pursued.”  
ABUSE OF POWER - Lampe is of the opinion that in Lee’s case, the minister has abused his position by having sex with E.L.  “This is a matter of courting the favours of a subservient.  The victim works for the government and had asked for a transfer.  The minister’s first visit to her house is already a matter of sexual contact.  In this case, the matter is abuse of power and cannot be compared with the Lewinsky-case.”


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Leslie on February 05, 2007, 07:56:50 AM
From Diario:    Murder in Aruba
AGRESOR TA HINCA VICTIMA DEN GARGANTA NA FREDDY’S SNACK NA SAN NICOLAS

ORANJESTAD (AAN): John Fernando Arrindel di 49 aña biba na Esso Heights a perde su bida cu un hinca mortal den garganta.
Esaki tabata den garganta banda robez despues di un discussion pa tres Florin.
Segun informacion e victima a drenta den Freddy’s Snack pa cumpra drinks y na dado momento a surgi un discussion entre e victima y e aggressor caminda e aggressor a saca un cuchio y hinca e victima den garganta cortando su ader mayor.
E victima a cay riba su cara y cuminsa sangra profusamente.
Ambulans a ser pidi pa presenta na e sitio caminda cu nan a sali mesora cu e victima pa hospital.
Na hospital mucho no por a worde haci pe pasobra el a fayece.  E agressor a baha na awa, pero polis a bay su tras y ta pone man riba dje tambe.
Aki ta trata di E.M. di fam Barroso di 25 aña, kende ta un conocido di husticia pa su adiccion na droga, cu tabata tin su flanel tur na sanger y a baha na awa y polisnan a core bay su tras y ta detene y logra haya e arma usa tambe cu tabata un cuchio.
E caso aki no tin nada di haber cu e carnaval y tampoco cu e problema di gang.
Dokter Peterson a constata morto di John Arrindel na hospital.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Hotshot on February 05, 2007, 08:16:15 AM
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Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: robots on February 05, 2007, 08:18:12 AM
testing


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: robots on February 05, 2007, 08:21:59 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WhaoTVjke2o


holy moses smell the roses

she can sing  :lol:  8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Cat on February 05, 2007, 08:22:12 AM
Mishy,I am incredible sad about the young lives lost this weekend.BOC,Peyton was the best player in college and I think he was jobbed.White Castles stomach grenades,oh my guts,long week end.Mikimoto,is that the name.Free pearls at my house today.You can belirve me,I am man.I am cooking egg rolls and spicy bean curd for Valentines,with strawberries dipped in a rich dark chocolate,if anyone wants any.For St.Patricts day,we are having boiled potatoes,black and tans,and beer.Then we sing Danny Boy and get meloncoly and drunk,no driving,but staggering is okay.the cat can be petted at anytime.CAT


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: robots on February 05, 2007, 08:23:36 AM
Quote from: "Cat"
Mishy,I am incredible sad about the young lives lost this weekend.BOC,Peyton was the best player in college and I think he was jobbed.White Castles stomach grenades,oh my guts,long week end.Mikimoto,is that the name.Free pearls at my house today.You can belirve me,I am man.I am cooking egg rolls and spicy bean curd for Valentines,with strawberries dipped in a rich dark chocolate,if anyone wants any.For St.Patricts day,we are having boiled potatoes,black and tans,and beer.Then we sing Danny Boy and get meloncoly and drunk,no driving,but staggering is okay.the cat can be petted at anytime.CAT



 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Cat on February 05, 2007, 08:27:28 AM
For robots,we will synthetics to oil the jionts,and other goodies.IBE,I tried to drop over but the police said cats can't drive.White Castle has a nice dumpster to dive in.CAT


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: robots on February 05, 2007, 08:29:22 AM
Quote from: "Cat"
For robots,we will synthetics to oil the jionts,and other goodies.IBE,I tried to drop over but the police said cats can't drive.White Castle has a nice dumpster to dive in.CAT


white castle ??

isnt that a place that sells burgers with holes in em  :shock:

i always thought that was wacky

but, thats just me  8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: justinsmama on February 05, 2007, 08:30:43 AM
robots~ How do you party? With oil? :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: robots on February 05, 2007, 08:33:18 AM
Quote from: "justinsmama"
robots~ How do you party? With oil? :D



ghehhheheehe


robots dont party in the regular sense as you crazy humans  8)

we just "speriment" with new motors and compressors until we
WIRE ourselves silly  8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on February 05, 2007, 08:39:25 AM
Quote from: "robots"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WhaoTVjke2o


holy moses smell the roses

she can sing  :lol:  8)


AAAAAaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.............

My Mom's absolute favorite song. She named my sister Patty after the original ( I guess) Patty Page version. Nora can soothe..........


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: justinsmama on February 05, 2007, 08:39:45 AM
:shock:  :D


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on February 05, 2007, 08:41:22 AM
Quote from: "justinsmama"
robots~ How do you party? With oil? :D


 :shock:  :shock:  :shock:  :shock:
I'm not even going to let my mind go there!  :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: robots on February 05, 2007, 08:42:02 AM
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
Quote from: "robots"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WhaoTVjke2o


holy moses smell the roses

she can sing  :lol:  8)


AAAAAaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.............

My Mom's absolute favorite song. She named my sister Patty after the original ( I guess) Patty Page version. Nora can soothe..........



she sure can, i melted  :shock:  :shock:  :shock:  :shock:


 8)  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: robots on February 05, 2007, 08:44:13 AM
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
Quote from: "justinsmama"
robots~ How do you party? With oil? :D


 :shock:  :shock:  :shock:  :shock:
I'm not even going to let my mind go there!  :lol:  :lol:


Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr :x


 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: justinsmama on February 05, 2007, 08:55:15 AM
I'm cold. Brrrr.


Title: white castle pumpkin ale and Chicago outfit photos
Post by: IBE on February 05, 2007, 08:59:59 AM
Good morning all.. no sleep yet. Too many crackers and cheese. Had sips of the Pumpkin Ale... it's pumpkin and ale :lol:

Actually I have been studying the photos by the Chicago outfit that I found the link to on the Main Page of the Natalee thread. Some bingos went off and I have been writing theories all night. Too much in draft form to post yet.

For those who don't know what White Castles are (found "live" in the midwest and frozen elsewhere) here is the link.. http://www.whitecastle.com I couldn't get my photobucket to get a picture of one of them to here!

PS... they are having a candlelight, romatic dinner there on Valentine's day.. you have to check your local one to see if it's having it and there's a takeout thing for home too... what a hoot!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: robots on February 05, 2007, 09:00:20 AM
Quote from: "justinsmama"
I'm cold. Brrrr.


LOL
get a blanket and make some tea.....i like a little honey in mine  8)

-15 with the wind here today

cold,,,yep


Title: Photos and maps
Post by: IBE on February 05, 2007, 09:04:22 AM
the link to the photos and maps are in a post under "photos"

Don't want to blow the margins and it's too early for Klaas..help?? how do I do a tiny url?


Title: Re: Photos and maps
Post by: klaasend on February 05, 2007, 09:07:56 AM
Quote from: "IBE"
the link to the photos and maps are in a post under "photos"

Don't want to blow the margins and it's too early for Klaas..help?? how do I do a tiny url?


http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?p=114385#114385

Need to go to class in about an hour, wasn't going to post,lol  :lol:


Title: CBB Avatars
Post by: IBE on February 05, 2007, 09:10:06 AM
CBB

I wish to change my avatar to the Valentine one you made.. but my Christmas avatar, I think, is on Klaas's photobucket.. any way to do that or do we wait for Klaas? I don't want have the Christmas one fade out into thin air.

It's on my mug, more ways than one! and I wish to keep it for after Valentine's Day.

Be back in a few... I need to sleep and in 15 min to 1/2 hr will be light outside.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: IBE on February 05, 2007, 09:16:12 AM
Good Morning Klaas

Good Luck and have fun in school. Wish I were still teaching; I really miss it on some days! Love, IBE

good party last night, wasn't it? Tibro doesn't know what a White Castle is and yes, I hadn't been wrapping enough paper towels around it.. so did and it was less mushy... I think the mushiness comes from it being frozen to get it. They are soooo small!

I'd like to mail $$ to someone and have them mailed unfrozen to me.. I think without cheese they'd be OK on 2nd day air!  Would cost some tho.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: msmarple on February 05, 2007, 09:18:43 AM
IBE - I have to get psychologically prepared to mess with computer graphics, BUT - having said that -

Right click on your avatar.

Choose the Save Picture As option.

Your computer probably will "suggest" saving it in a folder called My Pictures. Just do that. You might want to re-name it, depending on what it's already named. Like, "Avatar Christmas". You can just overtype whatever the name is at the moment.

Later you can deal with putting it in photobucket. At least you'll have it saved on your computer.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: justinsmama on February 05, 2007, 09:21:44 AM
Try nuking at half power, IBE.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: mishy on February 05, 2007, 10:00:59 AM
Quote from: "Cat"
Mishy,I am incredible sad about the young lives lost this weekend.BOC,Peyton was the best player in college and I think he was jobbed.White Castles stomach grenades,oh my guts,long week end.Mikimoto,is that the name.Free pearls at my house today.You can belirve me,I am man.I am cooking egg rolls and spicy bean curd for Valentines,with strawberries dipped in a rich dark chocolate,if anyone wants any.For St.Patricts day,we are having boiled potatoes,black and tans,and beer.Then we sing Danny Boy and get meloncoly and drunk,no driving,but staggering is okay.the cat can be petted at anytime.CAT


Cat, you are so funny! I am booked for Valentines, but I might see you on St. Patty's day! Oh, yeah, and look for me around 5 PM today and have the pearls ready  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


Title: Re: CBB Avatars
Post by: crazybabyborg on February 05, 2007, 10:27:30 AM
Quote from: "IBE"
CBB

I wish to change my avatar to the Valentine one you made.. but my Christmas avatar, I think, is on Klaas's photobucket.. any way to do that or do we wait for Klaas? I don't want have the Christmas one fade out into thin air.

It's on my mug, more ways than one! and I wish to keep it for after Valentine's Day.

Be back in a few... I need to sleep and in 15 min to 1/2 hr will be light outside.


(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/HeartIBE.gif)
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/HeartIBE.gif

IBE: You should just be able to copy the link under this avatar to use in your profile/avatar panel, without compromising anything else you have. This has been renamed, and won't delete anything....

Does that make sense??? Let me know if you need help, and I'm sure Klaas will help if you need it!  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on February 05, 2007, 10:31:05 AM
IBE

I just read what I wrote...... :lol:

I didn't mean that I wouldn't help you if I can, I just meant that if I wasn't here or couldn't figure something out, I'm sure Klaas will come to the rescue!  :wink:


Title: Chicago outfit photos, shots of legal docs and Depak's car
Post by: IBE on February 05, 2007, 10:31:53 AM
Photos avatars Chicago outfit photos, shots of legal docs there etc and Depak's car

Justinsmom a true Hoosier would know how to nuke a Whitecastle.. what a good excuse to buy more later today! Actually, I have one left now for breakfast. I bet Indiana and Indianapolis is a hoot now with the Colts win. Did you see you and IndyDan were the main guests at my online party with Monkeys last night? Invite and menu are in the lounge  :lol:

msmarple Will try it after sleep.

Klaas On the Front page thread for Natalee.... it's not the link under  Photos via "Spock" but the one under Photos via Florida...under Glenda's post with the Chicago outfit photo link on p.1 there and it's very long URL

Good thing I went back to that thread tho... there was a discussion, photos on why the Depak's car in the filming had 6 spoke-wheels vs his "reg" car of 5 spokes, different looking side mirrors and a grayer front with the non-head lights and grill in front.

I added 3 posts on the reasons on why in filming the camera crew might have switched the wheels, the mirrors and also masked in parts of the front, but then again... it might not have been the real car to begin with ie: Depak may have switched out his first car after Natalee disappeared! Remember the FBI supposedly said that it was too clean.

I got bogged down in my math so I hope the Scared Monkeys techies will look at my theories. I am on page 2 and 3 of the thread where the Chicago Outfit photos are. The link for them is under Glenda on p. 1. under Photo tread started by Florida not the Spock one  :lol:

These photos also have court cases, addresses and info on "Plainview", a airplane or satillite (sp? am very tired) shots I haven't seen before and many other things. Sorry am tired. Bye, Love, IBE

Some of the shots I saw in the Chicago Outfit photos made me realize how close the Fishermen's huts are to the white bag in the drain that Carpe spends hours on, the pond and the spot where the boys were seen by the gardener, supposedly and tried to hide.

Had a great deal of Bingos IMO all night. Will start posting them in about 4 hrs.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: GreatOwl on February 05, 2007, 10:34:12 AM
Quote from: "robots"
Quote from: "justinsmama"
I'm cold. Brrrr.


LOL
get a blanket and make some tea.....i like a little honey in mine  8)

-15 with the wind here today

cold,,,yep


yup, we are pushing the -50 range this morning.


Title: Thanks
Post by: IBE on February 05, 2007, 10:35:36 AM
Msmarple thanks.. I am a Mac so had one button, but it works. I am saved onto my computer. Gee, I could save all my Monkey friends this way for Valentine's day. I already have a Christmas tree poster near my computer to match up the names and the avatars.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on February 05, 2007, 10:36:24 AM
IBE: Did you see my post on your Valentine's Avatar........about 4 posts back?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: crazybabyborg on February 05, 2007, 10:42:37 AM
You're all set for Valentine's Day and looking gorgeous, IBE!  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: robots on February 05, 2007, 10:43:41 AM
Quote from: "GreatOwl"
Quote from: "robots"
Quote from: "justinsmama"
I'm cold. Brrrr.


LOL
get a blanket and make some tea.....i like a little honey in mine  8)

-15 with the wind here today

cold,,,yep


yup, we are pushing the -50 range this morning.


 :shock:

be cool

well, not to cool  :lol:  8)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: msmarple on February 05, 2007, 10:44:56 AM
Hi GreatOwl - Nice to see you! Brrrr - and I thought it was cold here (guess we're in the 40s or so).


Title: Thanks
Post by: IBE on February 05, 2007, 10:45:36 AM
Yes CBB.. thank you very much! Off for a White Castle in the microwave, a coke and some sleep. If can't sleep, will be back soon!

I really, really like it the hearts around my impish monkey! Nothing like me! Thanks.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Cat on February 05, 2007, 10:47:13 AM
Your cousins are bugging me at dawn,Great Owl.I came over last night IBE,but you didn't open the door to my calls,meow.Mishy,St Paddy's is a great week,i am having friend s over,Johnny walker, and Bushmills and Jose Cuervoj(since he got his Visa) and who knows.The Chieftans will be in town.When Irish Eyes are smiling.Red,Mrs Red Klass,etc all monkeys,we can party like its 1999.Take Care  Cat,the party animal on St Paddys.,


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: GreatOwl on February 05, 2007, 10:47:23 AM
Quote from: "msmarple"
Hi GreatOwl - Nice to see you! Brrrr - and I thought it was cold here (guess we're in the 40s or so).


I could get my swim suit out and get a tan in that weather.. :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: MsVada on February 05, 2007, 10:54:29 AM
Quote from: "robots"
Quote from: "GreatOwl"
Quote from: "robots"
Quote from: "justinsmama"
I'm cold. Brrrr.


LOL
get a blanket and make some tea.....i like a little honey in mine  8)

-15 with the wind here today

cold,,,yep


yup, we are pushing the -50 range this morning.


 :shock:

Well, not to cool  :lol:  8)


yeah, be cool but not too cool,  we most likely will be seeing some colder temps later this week :shock:

Note to self...get more blankets and add schnapps to hot cocoa


Title: Wisconsin and fishing and love
Post by: IBE on February 05, 2007, 11:04:08 AM
GreatOwl - 50 is really, really cold. I have had some good times and some good fishing in Wis. Not giving away where you live... but I have been up to Washington's Island and then in the main part of the state fishing way up north where the lakes have the French name about Flaming lakes. Almost to MN. Love the loons for I am sort of looney. So I know about where you are if it's going to be -50. :lol: The coldest I have lived in is -19 not counting the wind chill factor.

Someday I'd like to come back. My late, ex-boyfriend has a neice and husband that own a whole lake, lodge and cabins up there... Fat Lake. I want to go back there again and canoe between the lakes. I found an underground remains of a village near the rice channels between lakes but we didn't have time to canoe around and see where the channel went. Really he didn't want me to go alone. I could have taken the dog, if we had had more time. Found this on the last day of the 4 days we had the lake to ourselves and it's not a small lake. Was romantic tho.:oops:

He caught fish.. I did the rowing when I got bored for I had to still keep quiet! I put all the lures I had for the 3 kinds of fish, including muskies on my line as a joke.

You guys keep warm. It's already 60 here and it's only 8 am :lol: but we pay for it in crime and earthquakes.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Lala'sMom on February 05, 2007, 11:04:09 AM
Morning monkeys.  Coffee anyone?  Chilly, but not too bad this morning in the Heart of Dixie.  Did I mention I dislike cold weather?  

Did I hear right?  Klaas is leaving us alone again?  You know that means the Sir Red will be in charge, don't you?   :shock:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: IBE on February 05, 2007, 11:06:16 AM
Cat be right over after the nap!


Title: Diamonds
Post by: IBE on February 05, 2007, 11:07:56 AM
CBB wow I have diamonds!  First time ever! More ways than one. Thanks.


Title: Sorry Cat
Post by: IBE on February 05, 2007, 11:10:13 AM
Sorry Cat.. my cat just got out of heat so must have had her ears closed to ALL meows. I will take to her when she wakes up! If I try to sleep she'll wake up!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: msmarple on February 05, 2007, 11:17:48 AM
GreatOwl - It's been so long since I've seen you. Have you read the Statements, and the Murder & Crime thread? (All in Important Case Documents.)

See my sig line for M&C.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Peaches on February 05, 2007, 11:29:25 AM
Good morning!  Greeting to Great Owl.  Long time, no see.  

Getting a late start today.  My whole family stayed home sick today.  DH took the Bears loss pretty hard.   :roll:

They should have the SuperBowl on Saturday nite so Monday morning wouldn't be such a threat....


Title: Re: Thanks
Post by: GreatOwl on February 05, 2007, 11:30:30 AM
Quote from: "IBE"
Msmarple thanks.. I am a Mac so had one button, but it works. I am saved onto my computer. Gee, I could save all my Monkey friends this way for Valentine's day. I already have a Christmas tree poster near my computer to match up the names and the avatars.


any time you have a problem with adapting the Mac to here just e-mail me.    I have used nothing but Mac for the 20 years

u asked about a tiny url?  not sure you got what you needed, but just go to tinyurl.com


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: GreatOwl on February 05, 2007, 11:33:08 AM
Quote from: "msmarple"
GreatOwl - It's been so long since I've seen you. Have you read the Statements, and the Murder & Crime thread? (All in Important Case Documents.)

See my sig line for M&C.


I have been reading all along.  I just have not been posting.   I hate to say this but I have been very busy!!!   In the past 3 months I have been on vacations to Boston, Fort Lauderdale and then Puerto Vallarta.   Now I get to stay home until May when my next vacation comes up.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Peaches on February 05, 2007, 11:38:10 AM
Great Owl, I am happy to hear you and Mrs. Owl are enjoying yourselves.  That's very important.  

I'm sure it's lovely where you are.  One of my guys at work just LOVES cold weather, snow, ice, and all that wintery stuff.  Of course, we get NONE of that here in Hotlanta.  I remember growing up in NE and digging out my car so I could go to school and plugging my car in at night so it would start the next day.  At one point, I worked for a car dealer and I was outside as much as in.  Made me rethink my career choices!  But I know it's beautiful up there.......

Just too COLD for this Peach.


Title: Thanks in advance
Post by: IBE on February 05, 2007, 11:59:27 AM
Thanks Great Owl my first one was in 1989 my first Apple was 1982 and I was in my let's say, early 40's. My first modem was 300 baud and cost me $600 for that cutting edge!

OK I am almost asleep but need your quick mental minds so I can work on my what ifs and post them when I awake

What was the date of the time Joran took the Police to the Fishermen's huts and said that was there the body was buried? The time TV has him in hand cuffs banging on the police car in anger? Had he taken the police there any time before?

Now, the Govt. announced she was deceased on Jun1 10th right?

When were the Chicage videos made of the drain where Carp has spent hours on the drain... What day was that filmed? I would like to know the exact date if possible.

The missing videos were on the Internet at one time. I saw them but didn't download them and can't remember what I now miss. Anyone remember what the missing ones covered and the dates? the dates when filmed and when posted?

Any guesses to the time between the filming of the Chicago videos and the posting, if we don't know the exact date of filming the drain?

How many days was it betwwen the filming of the rocks and the posting of the rocks?

Now was the police and forensic team at the rocks on June 10, 11 or when?

Has anyone ever found proof of a call to the vdSloots at about 3 or 4 am in the morning from the eastern part of the Island? or have any ref. to it in their computers or real brain memory?

Klaas, I saw a aireal (sp) map of the island in the Chicago outfit photes and it seems that Nord is in the middle of the island where it starts to get thinner. What would be in a half circle, so to speak, northeast, east and southeast of Nord?

The photos show the landfill. There is a square body of water near it.. north I think... sure must not be drinking water! is it a sewage treatment or ??

I'm tired... anyone know about how many miles is Nord from the land fill and in what direction.. I must have seen a map but am drained.

Would like to see the map of the reported prostitute "home" in the middle of the island; the one where they come from all parts of the world (givers and takers too)

a map that shows the aloe ranches (farms?), the main ranch house or corp hdqts of the aloe production

Any info on Eman father and son, businesses, and politics : post here or privately to today2004@earthlink.net be sure to ID yourself some way in the subject line

Thanks all. TIA  :lol:  :lol:

Peaches... I bought peach icecream last night for our party espc. for you and Elaine! Invite and food list is in the lounge.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: msmarple on February 05, 2007, 11:59:44 AM
Quote from: "GreatOwl"

I have been reading all along.  I just have not been posting.   I hate to say this but I have been very busy!!!   In the past 3 months I have been on vacations to Boston, Fort Lauderdale and then Puerto Vallarta.   Now I get to stay home until May when my next vacation comes up.


Well, that sounds not too shabby at all! Next time can I carry your baggage?  :lol:

Did you see (or stay) where Liz & Dick made "Night of the Iguana" ??


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Dihannah1 on February 05, 2007, 12:05:50 PM
Quote from: "IBE"
Good Morning Klaas

Good Luck and have fun in school. Wish I were still teaching; I really miss it on some days! Love, IBE

good party last night, wasn't it? Tibro doesn't know what a White Castle is and yes, I hadn't been wrapping enough paper towels around it.. so did and it was less mushy... I think the mushiness comes from it being frozen to get it. They are soooo small!

I'd like to mail $$ to someone and have them mailed unfrozen to me.. I think without cheese they'd be OK on 2nd day air!  Would cost some tho.


I have a White Castle down the street!  But there pretty smelly when fresh from the onions.  I'd hate to be the person flying/driving those for shipment   :lol:


Title: Mistake
Post by: IBE on February 05, 2007, 12:06:17 PM
Klaas, I found a mistake in one of the photo copied doc listed on the Chicago outfite photo bucket . If it isn't a typo, it could negate the whole doc and info... it's a fairly important doc dealing with Mr. Pink, I think that's who he is. I am getting wise to the possibility of photo-chopped lately.

May I bring it over later? and the reasons why it is important if it's been photo chopped?


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on February 05, 2007, 12:40:03 PM
Quote from: "Dihannah1"
Quote from: "IBE"
Good Morning Klaas

Good Luck and have fun in school. Wish I were still teaching; I really miss it on some days! Love, IBE

good party last night, wasn't it? Tibro doesn't know what a White Castle is and yes, I hadn't been wrapping enough paper towels around it.. so did and it was less mushy... I think the mushiness comes from it being frozen to get it. They are soooo small!

I'd like to mail $$ to someone and have them mailed unfrozen to me.. I think without cheese they'd be OK on 2nd day air!  Would cost some tho.


I have a White Castle down the street!  But there pretty smelly when fresh from the onions.  I'd hate to be the person flying/driving those for shipment   :lol:


When I read IBE's post about White Castle, I knew there had been one years ago way south of us on Rt.23...checked website and it looks like it's gone.  Hubby raved about them, but to me they were heart burn belly bombs.  Bought the frozen once, for him, but they didn't have the same appeal.

it's maybe 10 degrees here...wind chill much below, but not as cold as WI where Great Owl is perched.

Guilty of continuing OT, but wanted to say hello.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Peaches on February 05, 2007, 12:41:57 PM
IBE, I think Klaas is in class this morning.  Or did I just imagine that?

I really enjoyed reading the thread in the Lounge about Australia.  I've been watching a lot of Steve Irwin stuff on Animal Planet as well.  Thanks, Tib!


Title: Re: Mistake
Post by: klaasend on February 05, 2007, 12:42:09 PM
Quote from: "IBE"
Klaas, I found a mistake in one of the photo copied doc listed on the Chicago outfite photo bucket . If it isn't a typo, it could negate the whole doc and info... it's a fairly important doc dealing with Mr. Pink, I think that's who he is. I am getting wise to the possibility of photo-chopped lately.

May I bring it over later? and the reasons why it is important if it's been photo chopped?


IBE - normally I wouldn't be here right now but they cancelled my class due to lack of students.

Which photo is it?

http://tinyurl.com/2buosh


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Peaches on February 05, 2007, 12:44:06 PM
:shock:  :shock:

Good thing we were all behaving ourselves.

Except for a couple of us who are frequent offenders in the OT  area.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: klaasend on February 05, 2007, 12:48:19 PM
Quote from: "Peaches"
:shock:  :shock:

Good thing we were all behaving ourselves.

Except for a couple of us who are frequent offenders in the OT  area.


 :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: GreatOwl on February 05, 2007, 12:57:58 PM
Quote from: "msmarple"
Quote from: "GreatOwl"

I have been reading all along.  I just have not been posting.   I hate to say this but I have been very busy!!!   In the past 3 months I have been on vacations to Boston, Fort Lauderdale and then Puerto Vallarta.   Now I get to stay home until May when my next vacation comes up.


Well, that sounds not too shabby at all! Next time can I carry your baggage?  :lol:

Did you see (or stay) where Liz & Dick made "Night of the Iguana" ??


yes, there are several places where they were at.  We have a timeshare at the Sheraton Buganvilias which is across from the athletic field near the Malecon.  Great Location.   This time we didn't take anyone along so instead of having the "lockout" for one week, we divided it an stayed for two weeks.

Puerto Vallarta is my favorite place to vacation.  I can walk or take public transportation where ever I wish to go.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: robots on February 05, 2007, 01:05:18 PM
Quote from: "Ms.DarthVada"
Quote from: "robots"
Quote from: "GreatOwl"
Quote from: "robots"
Quote from: "justinsmama"
I'm cold. Brrrr.


LOL
get a blanket and make some tea.....i like a little honey in mine  8)

-15 with the wind here today

cold,,,yep


yup, we are pushing the -50 range this morning.


 :shock:

Well, not to cool  :lol:  8)


yeah, be cool but not too cool,  we most likely will be seeing some colder temps later this week :shock:

Note to self...get more blankets and add schnapps to hot cocoa



 :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Rob on February 05, 2007, 01:29:30 PM
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Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: BIGORANGECRUSH on February 05, 2007, 02:15:00 PM
Quote from: "Cat"
Mishy,I am incredible sad about the young lives lost this weekend.BOC,Peyton was the best player in college and I think he was jobbed.White Castles stomach grenades,oh my guts,long week end.Mikimoto,is that the name.Free pearls at my house today.You can belirve me,I am man.I am cooking egg rolls and spicy bean curd for Valentines,with strawberries dipped in a rich dark chocolate,if anyone wants any.For St.Patricts day,we are having boiled potatoes,black and tans,and beer.Then we sing Danny Boy and get meloncoly and drunk,no driving,but staggering is okay.the cat can be petted at anytime.CAT


Thanks Cat I think Peyton was too!!!! :roll:  :roll: Heisman showed us then that it was nothing but a pile of media promtions and a piece of garbage!!! Let the Heisman cry its eyes out as they destoyed it as a meaningful award!!!!!


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Cat on February 05, 2007, 02:17:12 PM
IBE<Why do you think I was coming by.Your cat called me.CAT


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Cat on February 05, 2007, 02:21:32 PM
BOC,I bleed Crimson and I know Peyton was the best by far.Politics,sorry Klass wrong place,but in the south southern football gets people elected or fired.The ladies came bye and got all the pearls earlier.We have Krystals.Cat


Title: Re: Thanks in advance
Post by: Rob on February 05, 2007, 03:31:46 PM
Quote from: "IBE"


What was the date of the time Joran took the Police to the Fishermen's huts and said that was there the body was buried? The time TV has him in hand cuffs banging on the police car in anger? Had he taken the police there any time before?



(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/Joransilvercar.jpg)


(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/Joransilvercartwo.jpg)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: mishy on February 05, 2007, 03:51:25 PM
Quote from: "Cat"
BOC,I bleed Crimson and I know Peyton was the best by far.Politics,sorry Klass wrong place,but in the south southern football gets people elected or fired.The ladies came bye and got all the pearls earlier.We have Krystals.Cat


 :shock: You did save a strand for me, didn't you??? :!:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Cat on February 05, 2007, 03:54:30 PM
Of course.How Joran know she drinking that way in 20 minutes?Stupid question,because he said so.CAT


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: klaasend on February 05, 2007, 04:23:56 PM
Breaking News >> Prosecutors File Kidnapping, Sexual Assault Charges Against Michael Devlin


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Cat on February 05, 2007, 04:35:58 PM
I am not suprised with the charges being filed.Any word out the Netherlands or aruba? No one showed up,so Kate got the Chocolate things.Oh well,she is happy.Oh well ,time to back up the oak to check on the owl family,to see if the eggs have hatched,meow so tasty,so young.Is something happening with koen and sander.I have heard a maybe in the wind?How heavily involved do think they are?  Cat


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: klaasend on February 05, 2007, 04:40:19 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Breaking News >> Prosecutors File Kidnapping, Sexual Assault Charges Against Michael Devlin


http://www.co.st-louis.mo.us/scripts/pa/attachment/papress/index.cfm?ViewMe=8499


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: klaasend on February 05, 2007, 04:43:00 PM
Quote from: "Cat"
I am not suprised with the charges being filed.Any word out the Netherlands or aruba? No one showed up,so Kate got the Chocolate things.Oh well,she is happy.Oh well ,time to back up the oak to check on the owl family,to see if the eggs have hatched,meow so tasty,so young.Is something happening with koen and sander.I have heard a maybe in the wind?How heavily involved do think they are?  Cat


No word out of the Netherlands or Aruba.  I did read at FOB that Dompig is considering sueing people for slander, LOL  :lol:

I haven't heard a word about Sander and Koen.  I know Sander is now living in Georgia with his parents..not sure about Koen as he could be in the Netherlands or anywhere.  I'm curious about Sander's cell phone and the family boat.  Not sure how involved but I'd bet they know what happened.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: San on February 05, 2007, 04:49:56 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Cat"
I am not suprised with the charges being filed.Any word out the Netherlands or aruba? No one showed up,so Kate got the Chocolate things.Oh well,she is happy.Oh well ,time to back up the oak to check on the owl family,to see if the eggs have hatched,meow so tasty,so young.Is something happening with koen and sander.I have heard a maybe in the wind?How heavily involved do think they are?  Cat


No word out of the Netherlands or Aruba.  I did read at FOB that Dompig is considering sueing people for slander, LOL  :lol:

I haven't heard a word about Sander and Koen.  I know Sander is now living in Georgia with his parents..not sure about Koen as he could be in the Netherlands or anywhere.  I'm curious about Sander's cell phone and the family boat.  Not sure how involved but I'd bet they know what happened.

Maybe Dompig can get in touch with the Kalpoe attornies and make it a family affair.  That idiot.

I agree Klaas Sander and Koen know exactly what happened.  I haven't ruled them out that they might have been present when everything happened that night.  We know Deepak, Satish, Freddy, Guido and I will add the new fat kid Santos to the mix of people being present.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on February 05, 2007, 04:56:08 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Breaking News >> Prosecutors File Kidnapping, Sexual Assault Charges Against Michael Devlin


http://www.co.st-louis.mo.us/scripts/pa/attachment/papress/index.cfm?ViewMe=8499


CNN.com...News Alert:

Michael Devlin, accused of kidnapping two Missouri boys, now faces 71 new charges, including forcible sodomy.  :cry:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on February 05, 2007, 04:59:46 PM
Quote from: "Leslie"
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
Quote from: "jobie"
Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
I'm going to get flamed, but I would love a debate on this:
Since long term birth control is available in 6 month effectiveness, 1 injection doses, what about requiring that for any mom who is on public assistance after their first child, until they are able to support that child without public assistance?
OK, I'm ducking........

I for one think this would be a great idea!  When newborn babies start showing up in dumpsters and other sad places, mandatory birth control is needed.

I agree.  When you know what adopting parents have to go through to adopt a baby and how long they have to wait, while these irresponsible so-called parents just keep on reproducing for the welfare payments and then do not bother to care for them or teach them even the basics of life or just abandon them when things get too difficult and they can no longer be bothered and the baby is a hindrance and no longer a novelty it is time for some drastic measures.  Forget all the do-gooders who say you must let people choose for themselves and they have the right to live as they please.  When they show that they have some responsibility firstly for themselves and their own actions, and after that for any possible offspring, they can be allowed to have children.
JMHO

In Quebec, we have we have the perfect system for living on welfare (some might call it fraud).     The woman gets a welfare cheque of $1,200 a month for 2 kids, a subsidized apt., free food from the food bank while the father of these kids lives at home with his parents.  Since we have free health care - the welfare recipients never pay for visits to the doctor or hospital stays and all prescriptions are free.  Because we have a subsidized daycare system that any child 5 years and under can attend for $7 dollars a day;  the welfare mothers use this service so they can go to the bingo hall or shop at the local thrift shop or hang out with the father of these kids.  These men are never considered deadbeat dads even though their names are on the birth certificates.   We used to have a financial incentive to have children - don't know if it still around.  Just had to mail the Quebec government a copy of the birth certificate and received a cheque for $1000 for kid 1. $2000 for kid 2, $5000 for kid 3. etc.  What do you think of that!


Hi Leslie  Sorry to be so long answering.  Yes we are not far behind you with all the welfare.  Had a cash payment scheme here for $3000 or $5000 for each baby to encourage population growth.  Hah!  Only population that is growing is the welfare families - generations of them never worked a day in their lives and living on all the handouts they can manage to find.  Well they had to change the lump sum payments to additional small regular amounts as the stupid girls are just getting pregnant so they can buy a new TV or whatever.  If they can identify a father then the govt. tries to make him pay but of course he is usually on welfare too and can't manage the repayments.  Vicious circle.  Rant over.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Cat on February 05, 2007, 05:13:58 PM
Klass,you meant the dinner commercial,from Blockbuster.I am sorry,I was confused.I have seen Sander,but I don't speak.I heard his brother was there.Great canoeing and rafting in the area along with camping.The wine is not that good,Tib's is better as is Klass.CAT


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on February 05, 2007, 05:14:33 PM
Good Morning Monkeys.
Sorry about the O/T but only just had a chance to answer Leslie's post. Also thought it would help move to the new cage but got waylaid at IBE's party.  :lol:  :lol:
Not sure about the descriptions of those White Castles.  Have not seen anything like that here.

Gee if they had a "family law suit" on Aruba as San suggests they would have to include half the population of that island.

Although we all had such a sad weekend it showed just how much a few dedicated monkeys can achieve by the internet.  I read all the posting and some of them were just wonderful to read.  Such caring and concerned Monkeys.  I am proud to be a Monkey.

Klaas, thank you for your help.  I was getting photobucket and photoshop confused I think.  Just need something straightforward as I doubt I would have the patience to do all the fancy stuff.  Will explore and see what I can find out there.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on February 05, 2007, 05:25:01 PM
Quote from: "Cat"
Klass,you meant the dinner commercial,from Blockbuster.I am sorry,I was confused.I have seen Sander,but I don't speak.I heard his brother was there.Great canoeing and rafting in the area along with camping.The wine is not that good,Tib's is better as is Klass.CAT


Cat You are a true connoisseur of wine, my friend.  I see you had a visit from my mate Bushmills.  He called in here the other day and introduced me to his cousin Black Bush.

 
San  You missed out that freaky GVC in your list.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Dayhiker on February 05, 2007, 05:29:05 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"

No word out of the Netherlands or Aruba.  I did read at FOB that Dompig is considering sueing people for slander, LOL  :lol:
 



I hope he does. I'd love to see them put his fatass up on the witness stand and allow him to explain the slander he dissiminated about Natalee and her family, all well documented.

"Mr. Dompig, would you mind telling the jury why you were relieved of your duties in the Natalee Holloway case?"


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: San on February 05, 2007, 05:33:30 PM
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
Quote from: "Cat"
Klass,you meant the dinner commercial,from Blockbuster.I am sorry,I was confused.I have seen Sander,but I don't speak.I heard his brother was there.Great canoeing and rafting in the area along with camping.The wine is not that good,Tib's is better as is Klass.CAT


Cat You are a true connoisseur of wine, my friend.  I see you had a visit from my mate Bushmills.  He called in here the other day and introduced me to his cousin Black Bush.

 
San  You missed out that freaky GVC in your list.

You're right Tibro I did miss him.  Add him to the list.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Buckeye on February 05, 2007, 05:43:14 PM
I always figured Devilin assaulted those poor boys, but reading it really makes me sick.  Poor kids..

Cat
I'm pretty Irish.  St. Pat's day is BIG here.  What the heck are black and tans?? I don't think we eat that....hmmmmm...


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on February 05, 2007, 05:54:03 PM
Quote from: "Buckeye"
I always figured Devilin assaulted those poor boys, but reading it really makes me sick.  Poor kids..

Cat
I'm pretty Irish.  St. Pat's day is BIG here.  What the heck are black and tans?? I don't think we eat that....hmmmmm...


Hi, I'm not Cat even though I am about the same colour.  :wink:  Cat must be still up the oak tree scaring the owls away.
I think Black and Tans are a mix of Guinness and Ale.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: San on February 05, 2007, 05:56:01 PM
I wonder if we will hit page 50 before 10:00 p.m. :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: sandy leiva on February 05, 2007, 05:57:45 PM
Quote from: "msmarple"
I think I am going to have to investigate pumpkin ale ...  8)


Have you ever tasted ginger-root  beer  its also called mabi in spanish.  Itll knock your socks off, shoes too for that matter. Made in PR and the islands.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on February 05, 2007, 05:58:24 PM
Quote from: "San"
I wonder if we will hit page 50 before 10:00 p.m. :lol:


I hope so as it is only 10 am here :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: San on February 05, 2007, 06:01:06 PM
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
Quote from: "San"
I wonder if we will hit page 50 before 10:00 p.m. :lol:


I hope so as it is only 10 am here :lol:  :lol:


 :lol:  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Buckeye on February 05, 2007, 06:16:05 PM
Quote from: "Tibrogargan"
Quote from: "Buckeye"
I always figured Devilin assaulted those poor boys, but reading it really makes me sick.  Poor kids..

Cat
I'm pretty Irish.  St. Pat's day is BIG here.  What the heck are black and tans?? I don't think we eat that....hmmmmm...


Hi, I'm not Cat even though I am about the same colour.  :wink:  Cat must be still up the oak tree scaring the owls away.
I think Black and Tans are a mix of Guinness and Ale.


Thanks Tibro


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Anna on February 05, 2007, 06:17:14 PM
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a360/AnnaBlueSkies/Greetings/Morning%20Aft%20Evening/2uesffc_th-2.jpg)


Klaas,
Did you read all of the document you posted the link to?  Am I reading it correctly that Devlin has CONFESSED or admitted all of this?

And further that this may prevent his getting a life sentence, pleading guilty if that is what he is doing?  Reduces that to thirty years?  

After what ROB just posted, not sure thirty years is long enough but he does have health problems so in his case, could turn out to be life sentence but I hope he is not going to be able to plead guilty to avoid life sentence for he has certainly destroyed two young boys lives and evidently admitted to it.

I guess I am naive but was hoping he had not yet sexually harmed the last little boy, maybe in some sort of courtship phase with him.   :(

For his bad luck, children under the age of twelve involve a heavier sentence as is the case in most states and he seemed to have a thing for eleven year olds, just on the brink of puberty.  I have sort of noticed that is frequently the case with pedophiles and have wondered if it is the attraction, the onset or approach of puberty in the child as what the pedophile is attracted to but have no studies or anything to confirm that, just my own opinion and observation.

I am saddened to learn of this harm to both boys, being foolish enough to have hoped at least the second child abducted MIGHT be OK.

As for Aruba and it's lack of clear and concise laws in so many areas, here is an example of a well written one in this regard.  There are laws equally crystal clear they could be using for all areas including corruption for which they claim to have absolutely none in place.  States do that all the time here, adapt a law as a model for their own use.  They don't WANT these laws in place!  And for that, I hold the entire population responsible.  Boycott will remain for me until they do a lot of cleaning up in a lot of areas.

Rant over.  Where is my Robots?  At least he reads my rants.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on February 05, 2007, 06:25:04 PM
This is what Cat gets up to when he is not on SM :

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Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: klaasend on February 05, 2007, 06:25:15 PM
Quote from: "Anna"
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Klaas,
Did you read all of the document you posted the link to?  Am I reading it correctly that Devlin has CONFESSED or admitted all of this?

And further that this may prevent his getting a life sentence, pleading guilty if that is what he is doing?  Reduces that to thirty years?  

After what ROB just posted, not sure thirty years is long enough but he does have health problems so in his case, could turn out to be life sentence but I hope he is not going to be able to plead guilty to avoid life sentence for he has certainly destroyed two young boys lives and evidently admitted to it.

I guess I am naive but was hoping he had not yet sexually harmed the last little boy, maybe in some sort of courtship phase with him.   :(

For his bad luck, children under the age of twelve involve a heavier sentence as is the case in most states and he seemed to have a thing for eleven year olds, just on the brink of puberty.  I have sort of noticed that is frequently the case with pedophiles and have wondered if it is the attraction, the onset or approach of puberty in the child as what the pedophile is attracted to but have no studies or anything to confirm that, just my own opinion and observation.

I am saddened to learn of this harm to both boys, being foolish enough to have hoped at least the second child abducted MIGHT be OK.

As for Aruba and it's lack of clear and concise laws in so many areas, here is an example of a well written one in this regard.  There are laws equally crystal clear they could be using for all areas including corruption for which they claim to have absolutely none in place.  States do that all the time here, adapt a law as a model for their own use.  They don't WANT these laws in place!  And for that, I hold the entire population responsible.  Boycott will remain for me until they do a lot of cleaning up in a lot of areas.

Rant over.  Where is my Robots?  At least he reads my rants.


I don't think Devlin has confessed to anything, he is being charged.  This was also in the document:

The charges against defendant are merely an accusation and this defendant is presumed innocent until and unless proven guilty


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on February 05, 2007, 06:27:26 PM
Anna  I always read and enjoy your rants.  They make a lot of sense to me.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Buckeye on February 05, 2007, 06:28:25 PM
Anna

Found this in the form:

3. No person found guilty of or pleading guilty to forcible sodomy or an attempt to commit forcible sodomy shall be granted a suspended imposition of sentence or suspended execution of sentence.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Anna on February 05, 2007, 06:30:37 PM
O/T
Chattanooga is home to Krystal which is just like White Kitchen I think.  I used to know the Davenports and Sherill's who started that company, long ago.  I also believe, or have been told, that in addition to the onions what gives them the unique flavor is that some liver is ground up in the patty.  Don't know if that is true or not as it was not told to me by any of that family.  

Also in trivia dept. the first Coca-Cola was bottled in Chattanooga as well.  Old Broad Street bottling company I think last used by R.C. Cola as in Moon Pie and RC Cola fame.  Same family that started that company lived in what is now the Hunter Museum.  Also they donated Hunter Hall to what was once the University of Chattanooga and is now U of Tennessee @ Chattanooga.  I am showing my age as when I was there, it was still U of Chattanooga and private.  

Chattanooga used to be like a small town and everybody knew everybody else despite its having a large population, not sure why but we just did all seem to know all the other families, etc. that had to do with downtown area.  Very different and big city now.  Sadly.   :(   I also remember when you could get one burger, fries and a coke for a quarter.  

Now I am feeling older than dirt!   :(

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: klaasend on February 05, 2007, 06:35:28 PM
Anna - speaking of Coca Cola, did you see those Super Bowl ads for them?  I thought they were pretty good.  My favorite was the Blockbuster one with the rabbit, guini pig and mouse  :lol:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Anna on February 05, 2007, 06:35:41 PM
KLAAS,

See Item Number 7 here.  This is what I am talking about as thinking he may be planning a plea bargain of some sort.

Probable Cause Statement of Facts

1.     W.B.O. was abducted on January 8, 2007.
2.     W.B.O. stated that he was forcibly abducted by Michael J. Devlin.
3.     W.B.O. stated that Michael J. Devlin confined him and forced him to perform deviate sexual intercourse on multiple occasions in St. Louis County, Missouri.
4.     S.H. was abducted on October 6, 2002.
5.     S.H. stated that he was forcibly abducted by Michael J. Devlin.
6.     S.H. stated that Michael J. Devlin confined him and forced him to perform deviate sexual intercourse on multiple occasions in St. Louis County, Missouri.
7.     Michael J. Devlin admitted abducting W.B.O. and S.H. and performing deviate sexual intercourse upon them.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: San on February 05, 2007, 06:36:15 PM
Quote from: "Anna"
O/T
Chattanooga is home to Krystal which is just like White Kitchen I think.  I used to know the Davenports and Sherill's who started that company, long ago.  I also believe, or have been told, that in addition to the onions what gives them the unique flavor is that some liver is ground up in the patty.  Don't know if that is true or not as it was not told to me by any of that family.  

Also in trivia dept. the first Coca-Cola was bottled in Chattanooga as well.  Old Broad Street bottling company I think last used by R.C. Cola as in Moon Pie and RC Cola fame.  Same family that started that company lived in what is now the Hunter Museum.  Also they donated Hunter Hall to what was once the University of Chattanooga and is now U of Tennessee @ Chattanooga.  I am showing my age as when I was there, it was still U of Chattanooga and private.  

Chattanooga used to be like a small town and everybody knew everybody else despite its having a large population, not sure why but we just did all seem to know all the other families, etc. that had to do with downtown area.  Very different and big city now.  Sadly.   :(   I also remember when you could get one burger, fries and a coke for a quarter.  

Now I am feeling older than dirt!   :(

.

I don't remember getting a burger, fries and a coke for a quarter.  What does that make me :lol: .


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: klaasend on February 05, 2007, 06:37:09 PM
Quote from: "Anna"
KLAAS,

See Item Number 7 here.  This is what I am talking about as thinking he may be planning a plea bargain of some sort.

Probable Cause Statement of Facts

1.     W.B.O. was abducted on January 8, 2007.
2.     W.B.O. stated that he was forcibly abducted by Michael J. Devlin.
3.     W.B.O. stated that Michael J. Devlin confined him and forced him to perform deviate sexual intercourse on multiple occasions in St. Louis County, Missouri.
4.     S.H. was abducted on October 6, 2002.
5.     S.H. stated that he was forcibly abducted by Michael J. Devlin.
6.     S.H. stated that Michael J. Devlin confined him and forced him to perform deviate sexual intercourse on multiple occasions in St. Louis County, Missouri.
7.     Michael J. Devlin admitted abducting W.B.O. and S.H. and performing deviate sexual intercourse upon them.

Anna - thanks for pointing that out.  You're right..I missed that.  Very interresting and surprising, IMO.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: klaasend on February 05, 2007, 06:38:02 PM
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "Anna"
O/T
Chattanooga is home to Krystal which is just like White Kitchen I think.  I used to know the Davenports and Sherill's who started that company, long ago.  I also believe, or have been told, that in addition to the onions what gives them the unique flavor is that some liver is ground up in the patty.  Don't know if that is true or not as it was not told to me by any of that family.  

Also in trivia dept. the first Coca-Cola was bottled in Chattanooga as well.  Old Broad Street bottling company I think last used by R.C. Cola as in Moon Pie and RC Cola fame.  Same family that started that company lived in what is now the Hunter Museum.  Also they donated Hunter Hall to what was once the University of Chattanooga and is now U of Tennessee @ Chattanooga.  I am showing my age as when I was there, it was still U of Chattanooga and private.  

Chattanooga used to be like a small town and everybody knew everybody else despite its having a large population, not sure why but we just did all seem to know all the other families, etc. that had to do with downtown area.  Very different and big city now.  Sadly.   :(   I also remember when you could get one burger, fries and a coke for a quarter.  

Now I am feeling older than dirt!   :(

.

I don't remember getting a burger, fries and a coke for a quarter.  What does that make me :lol: .

I remember when you could get a gallon of gas for under a quarter  :wink:


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: San on February 05, 2007, 06:42:04 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "Anna"
O/T
Chattanooga is home to Krystal which is just like White Kitchen I think.  I used to know the Davenports and Sherill's who started that company, long ago.  I also believe, or have been told, that in addition to the onions what gives them the unique flavor is that some liver is ground up in the patty.  Don't know if that is true or not as it was not told to me by any of that family.  

Also in trivia dept. the first Coca-Cola was bottled in Chattanooga as well.  Old Broad Street bottling company I think last used by R.C. Cola as in Moon Pie and RC Cola fame.  Same family that started that company lived in what is now the Hunter Museum.  Also they donated Hunter Hall to what was once the University of Chattanooga and is now U of Tennessee @ Chattanooga.  I am showing my age as when I was there, it was still U of Chattanooga and private.  

Chattanooga used to be like a small town and everybody knew everybody else despite its having a large population, not sure why but we just did all seem to know all the other families, etc. that had to do with downtown area.  Very different and big city now.  Sadly.   :(   I also remember when you could get one burger, fries and a coke for a quarter.  

Now I am feeling older than dirt!   :(

.

I don't remember getting a burger, fries and a coke for a quarter.  What does that make me :lol: .

I remember when you could get a gallon of gas for under a quarter  :wink:

I remember going to the store for my mother and buying her a pack of cigaretts for 50 cents.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Anna on February 05, 2007, 06:42:49 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Anna - speaking of Coca Cola, did you see those Super Bowl ads for them?  I thought they were pretty good.  My favorite was the Blockbuster one with the rabbit, guini pig and mouse  :lol:


Klaas,

I only can watch college football.   :oops:  :oops:  :oops: The pros just put me to sleep so I had the Puppy Super Bowl on Animal Planet on part of the time, took a nap and missed most of the game and commercials.  If I don't go to a party or gathering for it, I just can't focus.   :oops: Same with pro basketball, they are too good is just up and down the court, same thing back and forth, puts me to sleep.   :oops:

They usually play those commercials forever after it, don't they?  Will keep an eye out for that one, thanks for the heads up.  Yes, lots of us locally have big CO stock and watch the company, etc. still even though headquarters in Atlanta and all activity there now.  

And am addicted to Diet Coke, seriously.   :oops:  :(  :oops:  But they were very generous to Chattanooga in the early days, not that I was around for that, but do know of many charitable benefits Chatty received from their living there.  I think it is also BT's home town as well.

.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: klaasend on February 05, 2007, 06:46:06 PM
Quote from: "Anna"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Anna - speaking of Coca Cola, did you see those Super Bowl ads for them?  I thought they were pretty good.  My favorite was the Blockbuster one with the rabbit, guini pig and mouse  :lol:


Klaas,

I only can watch college football.   :oops:  :oops:  :oops: The pros just put me to sleep so I had the Puppy Super Bowl on Animal Planet on part of the time, took a nap and missed most of the game and commercials.  If I don't go to a party or gathering for it, I just can't focus.   :oops: Same with pro basketball, they are too good is just up and down the court, same thing back and forth, puts me to sleep.   :oops:

They usually play those commercials forever after it, don't they?  Will keep an eye out for that one, thanks for the heads up.  Yes, lots of us locally have big CO stock and watch the company, etc. still even though headquarters in Atlanta and all activity there now.  

And am addicted to Diet Coke, seriously.   :oops:  :(  :oops:  But they were very generous to Chattanooga in the early days, not that I was around for that, but do know of many charitable benefits Chatty received from their living there.  I think it is also BT's home town as well.

.

After the thread change I'll see if the Blockbuster one is on Youtube..bet it is.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: San on February 05, 2007, 06:46:32 PM
OK let's get this page turned to 50.

What was your favorite candy when you were small.  This question is for everyone :lol: .


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on February 05, 2007, 06:47:54 PM
Quote from: "San"
OK let's get this page turned to 50.

What was your favorite candy when you were small.  This question is for everyone :lol: .


Kit-kat bars


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on February 05, 2007, 06:50:08 PM
Cat and friends :

(http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q263/Coonowrin/image01212121212.jpg)


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: klaasend on February 05, 2007, 06:50:14 PM
Quote from: "San"
OK let's get this page turned to 50.

What was your favorite candy when you were small.  This question is for everyone :lol: .


I wasn't allowed to eat much candy and not allowed any chocolate.  I would have to say cinnamon ribbon hard candies when I was a kid.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Buckeye on February 05, 2007, 06:51:25 PM
Quote from: "San"
OK let's get this page turned to 50.

What was your favorite candy when you were small.  This question is for everyone :lol: .


B-O-N-O-M-O .........turkish taffy........


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: San on February 05, 2007, 06:53:37 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "San"
OK let's get this page turned to 50.

What was your favorite candy when you were small.  This question is for everyone :lol: .


I wasn't allowed to eat much candy and not allowed any chocolate.  I would have to say cinnamon ribbon hard candies when I was a kid.

Wow Klaas no candy that would have been hard for me.

I guess I would have to say Gum.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Anna on February 05, 2007, 06:54:41 PM
Quote from: "San"
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I don't remember getting a burger, fries and a coke for a quarter.  What does that make me :lol: .[/quote]

San,
I guess you would be younger than dirt,  :D not sure what it would make you.  But then you live in an area with higher cost of living so that would be a factor as well.  

We could get all dressed up, including gloves and maybe a hat especially in summer, ride the city bus all over, change if needed, etc. for about fifty cents, eat Krystals after removing gloves and then go to movie for about a quarter at a beautiful Tivoli Theatre, now Opera House.  In other words, we could just do it all for under a dollar.

And we were safe.   :evil:  :x  :evil: When a child was kidnapped when I was a child, it was NATIONAL news and very rare.  No matter what anybody says, I know these crimes against children are far, far more prevalent today than when I was young.  We would hear on the news about a child missing in say California and it was a HUGE deal.  Now there are so many we usually don't even hear anything.

I could do all this with my big sister who was only about fourteen and I was eight to ten, all by ourselves and actually expect to return home alive and unharmed and everything!  And we could cram three movies into one Saturday if we really hurried around and had $2.  State, Capitol and Tivoli but I only remember doing two in one day but she insists we did the kiddie show in the morning then the regular Matinée in afternoon at the same place sometimes.  Guess since she was older, she remembers better.  That and the Krystals were about all a person could stand.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on February 05, 2007, 06:54:51 PM
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "San"
OK let's get this page turned to 50.

What was your favorite candy when you were small.  This question is for everyone :lol: .


I wasn't allowed to eat much candy and not allowed any chocolate.  I would have to say cinnamon ribbon hard candies when I was a kid.


They sound nice.  I imagine from your description they would be similar to Liverpool Rock but instead of the peppermint flavour it would be cinnamon


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: igsigs on February 05, 2007, 06:57:40 PM
Quote from: "San"
OK let's get this page turned to 50.

What was your favorite candy when you were small.  This question is for everyone :lol: .

Butterfingers...lol

Hey...I thought the KLPD investigation was going to be *no more than a few weeks*? That was months ago. They must be done by now.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: San on February 05, 2007, 07:01:18 PM
Quote from: "igsigs"
Quote from: "San"
OK let's get this page turned to 50.

What was your favorite candy when you were small.  This question is for everyone :lol: .

Butterfingers...lol

Hey...I thought the KLPD investigation was going to be *no more than a few weeks*? That was months ago. They must be done by now.

They are waiting for May 30th to release their findings and say case closed.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Anna on February 05, 2007, 07:02:37 PM
I had Hepatitis A at age four and was underweight so my family would try to get me to eat anything including candy but not chocolate as it is bad for liver is you have been sick with that.  I had awful taste in my mouth when I had it and for a while afterwords.

Those colorful hard rock candies like you see at Christmas time always remind me of that.   :roll:

But I liked divinity and they made it at home or me, was wonderful.  Would make it different colors to try to catch my eye, etc. white, pink, blue and yellow.  Fluffy and like I have never been able to duplicate.

Guess they thought it would make me gain weight to eat a buncha sweets but didn't and I really didn't like them all that much.  

We have Clementines which is a tangerine that I did adore and ate so many of those I got a rash once.  I had a little case of them this year, also, best tangerine in the universe to me.

,


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: San on February 05, 2007, 07:03:04 PM
Quote from: "Anna"
Quote from: "San"
[
.

I don't remember getting a burger, fries and a coke for a quarter.  What does that make me :lol: .


San,
I guess you would be younger than dirt,  :D not sure what it would make you.  But then you live in an area with higher cost of living so that would be a factor as well.  

We could get all dressed up, including gloves and maybe a hat especially in summer, ride the city bus all over, change if needed, etc. for about fifty cents, eat Krystals after removing gloves and then go to movie for about a quarter at a beautiful Tivoli Theatre, now Opera House.  In other words, we could just do it all for under a dollar.

And we were safe.   :evil:  :x  :evil: When a child was kidnapped when I was a child, it was NATIONAL news and very rare.  No matter what anybody says, I know these crimes against children are far, far more prevalent today than when I was young.  We would hear on the news about a child missing in say California and it was a HUGE deal.  Now there are so many we usually don't even hear anything.

I could do all this with my big sister who was only about fourteen and I was eight to ten, all by ourselves and actually expect to return home alive and unharmed and everything!  And we could cram three movies into one Saturday if we really hurried around and had $2.  State, Capitol and Tivoli but I only remember doing two in one day but she insists we did the kiddie show in the morning then the regular Matinée in afternoon at the same place sometimes.  Guess since she was older, she remembers better.  That and the Krystals were about all a person could stand.[/quote]
You are right Anna.  When we heard about a child missing our eyes would be like this :shock: .


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Rob on February 05, 2007, 07:03:12 PM
Anna- I had a serious addiction to Diet Coke. I finally broken it and am down to just a 12 pack a week now.  :D  It was like crack for me. I like to think I have it all under control now. LOL.

Man-o-man those cats are mesmerized. Prolly part of the reason I dont like cats, other than the Cat.  

And that poor mouse.


Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: klaasend on February 05, 2007, 07:04:29 PM
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Title: Lively Case Discussion #580 2/1 - 2/4/2007
Post by: Tibrogargan on February 05, 2007, 07:05:32 PM
[quote="Anna"

And we were safe.   :evil:  :x  :evil: When a child was kidnapped when I was a child, it was NATIONAL news and very rare.  No matter what anybody says, I know these crimes against children are far, far more prevalent today than when I was young.  We would hear on the news about a child missing in say California and it was a HUGE deal.  Now there are so many we usually don't even hear anything.
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I am with you Anna.  No where near the same crime rate against children.  When I was going to school had about half a mile walk and one day after school a little girl was grabbed and taken into a vacant block behind a huge hedge.  We knew nothing about it - she must have been coming home late or something.  Anyway there was a great to-do in our little town and all of us kids were warned repeatedly about talking to strangers, loitering after school and so on.  We had no idea what it was all about or what could have happened to the girl that was so dreadful.  But I know we all used to run like the wind past the hedge everyday after that, as if the man was still waiting there, even though he was imprisoned for the attack and her murder.  It was years before I knew what must have befallen the girl.  We were so innocent.