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Title: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - 6/30/10 Post by: cartfly on June 05, 2010, 09:12:03 PM Police looking for missing Skyline Elementary student
By KATU.com Staff http://www.katu.com/news/local/95669809.html (http://www.katu.com/news/local/95669809.html) Police are looking for a second grader from Skyline Elementary who did not come home from school Friday. Story Published: Jun 4, 2010 at 8:42 PM PDT Story Updated: Jun 5, 2010 at 12:42 PM PDT PORTLAND, Ore. - Police are looking for a second grader from Skyline Elementary who did not come home from school Friday. Late Friday night the search for 7-year-old Kyron Horman was upgraded to a major crimes team investigation which brings in the FBI. Officials said the search was upgraded because the FBI has more resources. Portland Public Schools spokesman Matt Shelby said Horman was at school Friday and Portland Public Schools sent out an automated phone call to all Skyline parents alerting them to the missing boy. The Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office and the Portland Police Bureau have been on the scene searching for the boy since early Friday evening and have been calling the boy’s name in the area of the school. His stepmother took Horman to a science fair at the school Friday morning. They walked through a number of classrooms and his stepmother left at 8:45. According to the sheriff’s office, the stepmother saw the boy walking toward his classroom as she left the building but officials with Portland Public Schools said Horman’s teacher never saw him in class which started at 10 a.m. The teacher marked him absent. When Horman didn’t get off the bus in the afternoon, his parents called police. Shelby said Horman’s parents weren’t notified when he was marked absent because Skyline doesn’t use an auto-dialer which calls parents to report the student is absent. Shelby said the school doesn’t use such a system because it doesn’t have problems with attendance. If anyone has any information to the whereabouts of Horman they are urged to call the following phone number: (503) 261-2847. (Edit to add thread # & date to subject line. MB) Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: cartfly on June 05, 2010, 09:18:01 PM http://www.kgw.com/news/Second-grade-student-missing-from-Skyline-Elementary-95670454.html (http://www.kgw.com/news/Second-grade-student-missing-from-Skyline-Elementary-95670454.html)
NW Portland second-grader still missing Saturday by Michael Rollins and Amanda Burden kgw.com Posted on June 4, 2010 at 11:37 PM Updated today at 5:54 PM Related: PORTLAND, Ore. -- Searchers culled from police agencies statewide, in addition to the FBI, were pursuing tips Saturday and still searching around Skyline Elementary School after a student didn't return home Friday afternoon. Kyron Horman, 7, was last seen early in the day at the school, 11536 NW Skyline Blvd., during a science fair. He is 3 foot 8 and 50 pounds, with blue eyes and brown hair. He was wearing black cargo pants, white socks, worn black Skecher tennis shoes with orange trim and dark-colored t-shirt with the "CSI" show logo. Twelve police agencies, the Oregon National Guard and search and rescue units were involved in the search. In all, about 150 officers were working the case, said Captain Jason Gates of the Multnomah County sheriff's office. Gates said Saturday that police received a 9-1-1 call at 3:45 Friday afternoon. In most cases, missing children are often at the homes of a friend or a favorite hangout, he said, but those leads were quickly eliminated and police realized a major search needed to be launched. As many as 15 Portland police officers were the first responders, Gates said. They searched the school grounds and immediate area without finding the child. The scope of the search and investigation was then quickly widened. That first search included police bureau dogs who sniffed areas of the building where the boy might have been hidden from view. The roof was also searched, he said. The Horman family has been very cooperative, he said, and are doing the best they can under traumatic circumstances. The birth mother came to Portland after her son was reported missing. All parents were in constant contact with detectives, he said. Gates asked all neighbors to thoroughly search their properties, including outbuildings, a "no stone left unturned" search. He also asked neighbors to cooperate with detectives who ask to come on to their property. While many civilians may want to help with the search, he said to please stay away and let the professional searchers, of which there are now a considerable number, do their jobs. Parents of the 300 children and school staff will be asked to come to the school on Sunday on a staggered basis to interview with detectives to glean more information about Kyron's interests and school activities, he said. They will be notified via a Portland Public Schools messaging system. If parents of staff cannot arrive at the designated time, simply show up at the school, he said. Gates gamely fielded a barrage of questions but declined to answer most. The strategy of the investigation Saturday, he said, was to collect strong tips. Passing out information could taint a person's memory, or prompt false tips, he said. Parent Gina Zimmerman was at the school for the science fair, which she described as major academic and social event for the school where the day's events included an afternoon talent show. She said Kyron is not the type of child to wander off. "He knows 'stranger danger," she said. "He's a really good kid." Parents are shocked at the disappearance, she said, and have been calling to share concerns at "our little school where everyone knows everybody." She last saw Kyron in the morning, when he posed in a classroom in front of his "red-eyed tree frog" science project. He was posing for a picture taken by his mother, whom he loves, Zimmerman said. Zimmerman's daughter Madi is one of Kyron's best friends. The 8-year-old said she and Kyron would play Dragons and Knights and sway together on the tire swings. "I'm very worried and I hope he's okay," she said. She also said Kyron would not have gone off with a stranger, only with his mother, whom he loves. Portland Public Schools spokesman Matt Shelby said two teachers saw Kyron with his stepmother and thought the two left school together. He said it was common for parents to pick up kids this way, so no suspicions were raised. District officials were notified that the boy was missing at around 4 p.m. Police upgraded the case overnight to a Major Crime Teams investigation to allow more police resources to be tapped, said Multnomah County Sheriff's Office spokeswoman Lt. Mary Lindstrand. Staff of the FBI, the Oregon State Police, the Multnomah County Sheriff's Office, Portland Gresham and Fairview police were searching area of the school, which is on NW Skyline Blvd. just east of NW Cornelius Pass Road. Canine units and search and rescue organizations have also been called out, she said. Capt. Gates said the number of agencies will continue to grow. The effort is partly from the heart, as many in law enforcement can identify with the Horman family because they have children of their own. Lindstrand said about 20 miles of roadway and two square miles of land were part of the search area. Anyone who has seen Kyron or knows of his whereabouts was asked to call (503) 261-2847. PPS sent an automated phone message to parents of students at Skyline Elementary, but parents of students at other schools across the district have also reported getting the message. Shelby said the message was only intended to go to Skyline parents, but he said it's good that more people may be aware of the missing child. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: MuffyBee on June 05, 2010, 09:29:01 PM http://abcnews.go.com/US/Media/kyron-horman-missing-disappeared-elementary-school/story?id=10836677
FBI, National Guard Search for Missing Boy Kyron Harmon 7-Year-Old Disappeared From School, Last Seen Friday Morning June 5, 2010 (http://a.abcnews.com/images/US/ht_kyron_horman_100605_mn.jpg) Kyron Horman, a 7-year-old Portland, Ore., boy disappeared Friday, June 4, 2010, at Skyline Elementary School, shortly after leaving an early morning science fair, where he presented his project on tree frogs. (Courtesy the Horman family) The FBI and National Guard have been called in to join the search for a 7-year-old Portland, Ore., boy who disappeared from his elementary school after being last seen Friday morning. Kyron Harmon went to Skyline Elementary School early Friday morning with his step-mother, Terri Moulton Kaine, to participate in a science fair, but no one saw him after she left him, walking down a hallway to his classroom at around 8:45 a.m.. When Kyron did not return home on his school bus as scheduled at 3:30 p.m. Friday June 4, his family called to report that he had not returned home. The Multnomah County Sherriff's Office was contacted at approximately 4 p.m. "We definitely got a late start here," sheriff's office spokeswoman Lt. Mary Lindstrand said today. "The family didn't know that he wasn't at school, his teacher didn't see him so we are feeling like we are behind the eight-ball here." Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: cartfly on June 05, 2010, 09:30:17 PM http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/search_for_missing_portland_bo.html (http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/search_for_missing_portland_bo.html)
More pictures of search and video at the above link Authorities upgrade search for missing Portland boy to major crimes investigation By Allan Brettman, The Oregonian June 05, 2010, 9:37AM Detectives were going door to door in a rural part of Northwest Portland Saturday after the Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office upgraded the search for a missing 7-year-old boy to a Major Crimes Team investigation, employing more than 150 personnel from several metro-area law enforcement agencies and the FBI. Kyron Horman was last seen about 9 a.m. Friday after attending a science fair at Skyline Elementary School, according to Matt Shelby, spokesman for Portland Public Schools. The second-grade boy was with his stepmother at the fair that morning, but never checked back in with his teacher afterward, Shelby said. The stepmother said she last saw Kyron at approximately 8:45, walking down the hallway towards his classroom, according to a sheriff's department press release. The school staff reported not seeing him after 8:45 and that he did not make it to his classroom. Multnomah County Sheriff’s Capt. Jason Gates, speaking at a noon press conference at the school Saturday, said someone called 9-1-1 at about 3:45 p.m. to report Kyron missing. He would not say who made the call. He said Portland police initiated the search and “it was realized it was not going to be an immediate find.” Gates later said that meant that the boy was not going to be found in an expected place, such as the school or his home. He said, “The family has been nothing less than completely cooperative.” He said detectives are going door to door in the area and he encouraged residents to talk to them. He said detectives are in the process of contacting every Skyline parent to come to the school on Sunday so they can be interviewed individually. Asked if the FBI typically gets involved in a missing person’s case, he said no. In this instance, they are involved “because they care.” Portland police responded to initial reports of the missing boy, then handed the case to the sheriff's office, which has jurisdiction in unincorporated areas of the county. Members searched throughout the night, covering more than 20 miles of road and two square miles. Authorities set up a perimeter around the school that only searchers were allowed to cross. The school is a brick building in a rural area of farms and upscale homes along Skyline Boulevard. Kyron is described as 3 feet, 8 inches tall, weighing 50 pounds, with blue eyes and brown hair. He was last seen wearing a black T-shirt with the logo of the “CSI” television show, black cargo pants, white socks and black Skecher tennis shoes with orange trim. He wears glasses. An automated phone message was sent to Skyline parents about 5:30 p.m. Friday. Parents of students at other schools in the district also received that message. Lt. Mary Lindstrand, a sheriff's spokeswoman, said the agency would have searchers out as long as needed. The boy lives with his father and stepmother. Lindstrand said his mother, who lives out of the area, was on her way here. Gina Zimmerman, president of the school PTA, dropped by the Skyline search scene Saturday morning with her 8-year-old daughter Madi, who has been a classmate of Kyron for three years. “He’s not the type of child who would just go out of school and go searching or wandering around,” Zimmerman said. “He’s just a timid, sweet boy.” Zimmerman said she was in contact with the father, Kaine Horman, and stepmother, Terri Horman, and detectives Friday night. “Everybody’s just worried and in shock that this could happen in our little school where everybody knows everybody.” She said the K-8 school has about 300 students. The principal, Ben Keefer, declined to comment Saturday. Zimmerman said she arrived at the school around 8:15 a.m. Friday, as most parents and students did, to attend the end-of-year science fair. Terri Horman took a photograph of Kyron in front of his project, Zimmerman said. Kyron’s project was on the red-eye tree frog, Madi said. “We always play on the swings together,” she said of her friend. I’m thinking my thoughts for him. I’m very worried.” Zimmerman said everyone went into their classroom for the science fair and broke into parent-led groups of four or five. She wasn’t sure what group Kyron was in. but she said the last time she saw him was at 8:15, when the groups began going from class to class. “Then you were supposed to stay with your group. I don’t know what group he was in.” Zimmerman said the boy has no learning disabilities. “He’s a good kid who follows the rules,” she said. “We’re really close to the family, “ she added, noting that Kyron has an older brother and a younger sister. “We’ve been on the phone with them all night.” Anyone with information regarding Kyron's whereabouts is asked to call a tip line at 503-261-2847. -- Allan Brettman Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: MuffyBee on June 05, 2010, 09:31:31 PM http://www.katu.com/news/95691389.html
Search continues for missing 7 year old June 5, 2010 (http://media.katu.com/images/060510_skyline_science_fair.jpg) This photo, from the Facebook page of the missing boy's step mother, was taken the morning of Kyron Horman's disappearance. The snapshot shows Kyron in the shirt he was wearing at the time he went missing. His science-fair project is in the background. PORTLAND, Ore. – The National Guard is now assisting in the search for a second grader from Portland's Skyline Elementary School who went missing Friday. That's according to a press conference held Saturday by the Multnomah County Sheriff's Office. The FBI also has asked to participate in the search, although as of Saturday – according to spokesman and Multnomah Captain Jason Gates – it had yet to do so. Even so, more than 150 searchers have been scouring this rural part of Northwest Portland. Searchers include several law enforcement agencies and a police helicopter. Authorities have set up a perimeter around the school that only searchers are being allowed to cross. We know that 7-year-old Kyron Horman did not return home on his school bus as scheduled at 3:30 p.m. Friday, June 4. Family called Skyline Elementary School soon after, and the Multnomah County Sheriff's Office became involved around 4 p.m. Matt Shelby, spokesman for Portland Public Schools, said Kyron was with his stepmother at a science fair that morning (see photo above). However, Kyron never checked back in with his teacher afterward, Shelby said. The boy's stepmother reports they walked through a number of classrooms and she last saw Kyron around 8:45 a.m. Friday. She last saw him, she reports, walking down the hallway toward his classroom at 11536 N.W. Skyline Blvd. School staff report not seeing him after 8:45 a.m. Multnomah County deputies called in their Search and Rescue team to begin a search of the area surrounding the school after school hours Friday. As the evening progressed, SearchOne Canine Inc. and Portland Police also joined in the search. High grasses on the surrounding property are making the search difficult: "If they're not calling out to you," said a spokesman for the Multnomah County Sheriff's Office in the Saturday press conference, "unless you basically step right over them you're going to miss them." On Friday a decision was made to upgrade the search to a Major Crimes Team investigation. This allows for more resources to be deployed, which included resources from Portland Police Bureau, Gresham Police Department, Fairview Police Department, Oregon State Patrol and the FBI. Search and rescue resources also expanded to include SearchOne Canine Inc., Mountain Rescue, Yamhill County Canine and additional members of the Multnomah County Search and Rescue team. Members continued their searching throughout the night, encompassing more than 20 miles of road and two square miles. Portland Police Bureau's air unit also was called in. Saturday morning, around 7 a.m., the Multnomah County Sheriff's Office readied for its second operational period to find Kyron Horman. It ordered more resources which include Search and Rescue resources from Washington County Sheriff's Office, Yamhill County Sheriff's Office, Clark County Washington, Pacific Northwest Search and Rescue and a National Guard helicopter. Anyone with information regarding Kyron Horman's whereabouts has been asked to call the Multnomah County Sheriff's Office tip line, 1-503-261-2847, or to dial 9-1-1 with emergency information. Lieutenant Mary Lindstrand, a spokesperson for the Multnomah County Sheriff's Office, said the agency would have searchers out as long as needed. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: cartfly on June 05, 2010, 09:38:25 PM Search For Boy Continues As Nightfall Nears
Kyron Horman Last Seen Friday Morning POSTED: 8:10 pm PDT June 4, 2010 UPDATED: 6:18 pm PDT June 5, 2010 PORTLAND, Ore. -- Search and rescue crews continued what they called "an exhaustive search" of rural northwest Portland on Saturday after a second-grade boy failed to return home from school. The FBI and the National Guard have joined the search for 7-year-old Kyron Horman, who was last seen by his stepmother at 8:45 a.m. Friday at Skyline Elementary School, said Lt. Mary Lindstrand of the Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office. Gina Zimmerman, the president of the school's parent teacher association, said Kyron was excited for a school science fair being held that day and his project was about a red-eyed tree frog. The stepmother said goodbye to Kyron while they were at the science fair and then watched him walk off to his classroom, but he never made it to class, deputies said. "He's not the kind of child that would just go out of school, go searching or wandering around," Zimmerman said. "He's just a timid, sweet boy." Kyron's absence went unnoticed throughout the day, deputies said, and he was not reported missing until hours later. Sheriff's Capt. Jason Gates said teachers described Kyron as "an energetic student, a very social kid who loves to play soccer and build model cars with his dad." Gates said deputies have been working with Kyron's family and have received "a ton of information from them that helps us very much." Kyron was supposed to be dropped off at the school bus stop near his house at about 3:45 p.m. Friday. His stepmother quickly realized her child was missing and then called the school, Lindstrand said. School administrators said they started a search in the area but they were unable to find the boy. They called the non-emergency dispatch line to report Kyron as missing. Officials with Portland Public Schools said they used their phone notification system to contact other parents and inform them that Kyron was reported missing. Deputies launched their search at about 5:45 p.m. -- nearly nine hours after the boy was last seen. Since then, a number of local, state and federal police agencies have joined the search. "We want to throw everything we can at this," Gates said. "If it were my son, this is what I would want to see." Gates would not comment on whether any evidence had been found during the search so far. He said crews searched the two miles surrounding the school in a grid pattern. As of 12:30 p.m. Saturday, there was no indication of foul play in Kyron’s disappearance, but deputies upgraded the investigation to involve a major crimes team. Lindstrand said this allows more resources -- including those of the FBI and Oregon State Police -- to be used in the search. By Sunday, all staff and parents at Skyline school will have been called to be interviewed about the boy's disappearance, Gates said. Deputies Ask Neighbors To Search Property Multnomah County deputies asked that civilian volunteers stay away from the search scene Saturday. With a number of neighboring police agencies and the FBI helping in the search, deputies said civilian volunteers searching in the area will only complicate the process. "We would appreciate if the civilian volunteers keep Kyron in your prayers, but please don't come to the scene because it affects our efficiency," Gates said. Neighbors who live near Skyline Elementary School have been asked to perform a "no-stone-unturned" search of their property. "It would be very, very helpful to our process. If they find anything out of place, contact us through our tip line," Gates said. Skyline School is located at 11536 NW Skyline Blvd. in a rural area of northwest Portland. Kyron lives with his father and stepmother. He has an older half-brother. Anyone who may have any information on Kyron’s whereabouts is asked to call 503-261-2847. He was last seen wearing a black T-shirt with the CSI logo on it. Have You Seen Kyron Horman? Call: 503-261-2847 http://www.kptv.com/news/23800594/detail.html (http://www.kptv.com/news/23800594/detail.html) Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: MuffyBee on June 05, 2010, 09:53:24 PM http://www.beavertonvalleytimes.com/news/story.php?story_id=127576029009015000
County expands search for missing 7-year-old boy Second-grader Kyron Horman was last seen early Friday morning at school June 5, 2010 Multnomah County officials have expanded their search for a 7-year-old Portland boy missing since Friday morning, turning it into an investigation by the region’s Major Crimes Team. Sheriff’s deputies said Kyron Horman, a second-grader at Skyline Elementary School, 11536 N.W. Skyline Blvd., was last seen at about 8:45 a.m. Friday walking a school hallway to his classroom. However, school staff told deputies that Kyron apparently did not show up for class that day. Kyron’s family reported him missing at about 4 p.m., when he failed to return home on a school bus. Multnomah County called in its Search and Rescue team to scour the area surrounding the school. SearchOne Canine Inc. and Portland police joined the search Friday evening. By changing the search to a Major Crimes Team investigation, the sheriff’s office can draw on resources from the Portland Police Bureau, the Gresham Police Department, the Fairview Police Department, the Oregon State Patrol and the FBI. Search-and-rescue resources also expanded to include SearchOne Canine, Mountain Rescue, Yamhill County Canine, Washington County Sherriff’s Office, Yamhill County Sherriff’s Office, Pacific NW Search and Rescue and a National Guard helicopter joined members of the Multnomah County Search and Rescue team. Searchers spent most of the night going over 20 miles of road and two square miles of area around the school in Northwest Portland. Portland Police Bureau’s air unit also was used in the search. Anyone with information about Kyron Horman’s whereabouts should call the Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office tip line, 503-261-2847, or call 9-1-1 with emergency information. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: MuffyBee on June 05, 2010, 09:55:06 PM Search For Boy Continues As Nightfall Nears Kyron Horman Last Seen Friday Morning POSTED: 8:10 pm PDT June 4, 2010 UPDATED: 6:18 pm PDT June 5, 2010 PORTLAND, Ore. -- Search and rescue crews continued what they called "an exhaustive search" of rural northwest Portland on Saturday after a second-grade boy failed to return home from school. The FBI and the National Guard have joined the search for 7-year-old Kyron Horman, who was last seen by his stepmother at 8:45 a.m. Friday at Skyline Elementary School, said Lt. Mary Lindstrand of the Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office. Gina Zimmerman, the president of the school's parent teacher association, said Kyron was excited for a school science fair being held that day and his project was about a red-eyed tree frog. The stepmother said goodbye to Kyron while they were at the science fair and then watched him walk off to his classroom, but he never made it to class, deputies said. "He's not the kind of child that would just go out of school, go searching or wandering around," Zimmerman said. "He's just a timid, sweet boy." Kyron's absence went unnoticed throughout the day, deputies said, and he was not reported missing until hours later. Sheriff's Capt. Jason Gates said teachers described Kyron as "an energetic student, a very social kid who loves to play soccer and build model cars with his dad." Gates said deputies have been working with Kyron's family and have received "a ton of information from them that helps us very much." Kyron was supposed to be dropped off at the school bus stop near his house at about 3:45 p.m. Friday. His stepmother quickly realized her child was missing and then called the school, Lindstrand said. School administrators said they started a search in the area but they were unable to find the boy. They called the non-emergency dispatch line to report Kyron as missing. Officials with Portland Public Schools said they used their phone notification system to contact other parents and inform them that Kyron was reported missing. Deputies launched their search at about 5:45 p.m. -- nearly nine hours after the boy was last seen. Since then, a number of local, state and federal police agencies have joined the search. "We want to throw everything we can at this," Gates said. "If it were my son, this is what I would want to see." Gates would not comment on whether any evidence had been found during the search so far. He said crews searched the two miles surrounding the school in a grid pattern. As of 12:30 p.m. Saturday, there was no indication of foul play in Kyron’s disappearance, but deputies upgraded the investigation to involve a major crimes team. Lindstrand said this allows more resources -- including those of the FBI and Oregon State Police -- to be used in the search. By Sunday, all staff and parents at Skyline school will have been called to be interviewed about the boy's disappearance, Gates said. Deputies Ask Neighbors To Search Property Multnomah County deputies asked that civilian volunteers stay away from the search scene Saturday. With a number of neighboring police agencies and the FBI helping in the search, deputies said civilian volunteers searching in the area will only complicate the process. "We would appreciate if the civilian volunteers keep Kyron in your prayers, but please don't come to the scene because it affects our efficiency," Gates said. Neighbors who live near Skyline Elementary School have been asked to perform a "no-stone-unturned" search of their property. "It would be very, very helpful to our process. If they find anything out of place, contact us through our tip line," Gates said. Skyline School is located at 11536 NW Skyline Blvd. in a rural area of northwest Portland. Kyron lives with his father and stepmother. He has an older half-brother. Anyone who may have any information on Kyron’s whereabouts is asked to call 503-261-2847. He was last seen wearing a black T-shirt with the CSI logo on it. Have You Seen Kyron Horman? Call: 503-261-2847 http://www.kptv.com/news/23800594/detail.html (http://www.kptv.com/news/23800594/detail.html) BUMPING up this article, since it's the latest and most relevant. I hope Kyron is found safe and found soon. This is just terribly frightening. I can't fathom this. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: cookie on June 05, 2010, 10:11:39 PM this is scary to me....
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: cartfly on June 05, 2010, 10:34:36 PM This poor angel (if he just wandered off to the woods..) is probably so scared and night fall is quickly approaching. I would imagine that visitors would have to check in at the front office to be on campus, our schools even do that. This is so disturbing. He looks like such a bright little star!! Prayers to Kyron and his family that he will be found safe.
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: cartfly on June 05, 2010, 10:37:03 PM This is the scanner link for those interested: US > Oregon > Multnomah (County) [Portland-Vancouver]
Multnomah County Oregonhttp://www.radioreference.com/apps/audio/?ctid=2230 (http://www.radioreference.com/apps/audio/?ctid=2230) Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: cartfly on June 05, 2010, 10:42:49 PM http://www.katu.com/news/local/95702034.html (http://www.katu.com/news/local/95702034.html)
Infrared, grid search still turn up no sign of missing Skyline boy By Margy Lynch, Meghan Kalkstein, KATU News and KATU.com Staff Story Published: Jun 5, 2010 at 6:37 PM PDT Story Updated: Jun 5, 2010 at 6:48 PM PDT Infrared, grid search still turn up no sign of missing Skyline boy PORTLAND, Ore. – Investigators say not a trace of Kyron Horman has turned up, even with hundreds of people searching. Nearly two days after the 7 year old is believed to have gone missing from Skyline Elementary School in rural Northwest Portland, investigators are still trying to figure out what happened to the smiling second grader after he was last seen here Friday morning. An entire night and full day has passed since 8:45 a.m. Friday morning when Kyron's step mom says she last saw the boy after taking him through a science fair at school and sent him off to class. His teachers say he never checked in. If investigators do have solid information giving them any idea where he might be they're not saying: "The information we're keeping from the public and press has everything to do with integrity of investigation," said a search spokesperson. Now searchers look through tall grass, from the air and on foot, for any sign of the little boy. The FBI has now joined the search, as has the National Guard. Using an infrared system, heat detection and a search pattern grid to not miss an inch, searchers have completely searched an area of about two miles surrounding the school. We were given an inside look at Kyron's classroom here at Skyline Elementary. Inside Ms. Porter's second- and third-grade blended class we saw a glimpse into who this 7-year-old boy is: Kyron liked art and we're told the second grader is very good at it. Kyron wrote about splashing in a lake, with artwork to compliment his writing assignment. We also saw his science fair project, which was about red tree frogs. "We're asking people who live in the area to do an exhaustive, no-stone-unturned search of their property," said Captain Jason Gates at the Multnomah County Sheriff's Office. They are being asked to search everything, including "their outbuildings, cars and trucks." Gates said they have enough professionals for the search. Even so, one of Kyron's neighbors has put up missing fliers, hoping the photo will help remind people what Kyron looks like. Meantime, classmates and their parents as well as complete strangers worry and try to help. The father of one Skyline Elementary School student, 5-year-old Pierce Sherpa, said his son couldn't sit home any longer: "He heard the news last night and he said this morning 'Let's go. We gotta go, gotta go find this little boy.'" He, like others around the search perimeter, hope the little boy is OK. Investigators said the family is cooperating in the case: "Our point is don't lose hope." We asked a spokesperson for the Multnomah County Sheriff's Office about the step mother's whereabouts and what she knows. Deputies said they can't comment, as it is part of the investigation. The search for Kyron will continue throughout Saturday night. Those with any information about Kyron Horman's disappearance are asked to (503) 261-2847 anytime. This picture was taken at the science fair at Skyline Elementary Friday morning. Friends now say this snapshot - which KATU showed on its 11 p.m. news Friday - was the last image of Kyron (bbm- The above picture of Kyron in front of his project is what he was wearing when he disappeared Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: cartfly on June 05, 2010, 11:00:30 PM Dads facebook: http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1512276158
(http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1512276158) StepMom's facebook: http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1512276158#!/terri.horman (http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1512276158#!/terri.horman) Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: MuffyBee on June 05, 2010, 11:08:44 PM http://www.king5.com/news/local/NW-Portland-second-grader-still-missing-Saturday-95689114.html
NW Portland second grader still missing June 5, 2010 PORTLAND, Ore. -- Searchers culled from police agencies statewide, in addition to the FBI, were pursuing tips Saturday and still searching around Skyline Elementary School after a student didn't return home Friday afternoon. Kyron Horman, 7, was last seen early in the day at the school, 11536 NW Skyline Blvd., during a science fair. He is 3 foot 8 and 50 pounds, with blue eyes and brown hair. He was wearing black cargo pants, white socks, worn black Skecher tennis shoes with orange trim and dark-colored t-shirt with the "CSI" show logo. Captain Jason Gates of the Multnomah County sheriff's office said Saturday that police received a 9-1-1 call at 3:45 Friday afternoon. In most cases, missing children are often at the homes of a friend or a favorite hangout, he said, but those leads were quickly eliminated and police realized a major search needed to be launched. The Horman family has been very cooperative, he said, and are doing the best they can under traumatic circumstances. Gates asked all neighbors to thoroughly search their properties, including outbuildings, a "no stone left unturned" search. He also asked neighbors to cooperate with detectives who ask to come on to their property. While many civilians may want to help with the search, he said to please stay away and let the professional searchers, of which there are now a considerable number, to do their jobs. Parents of the 300 children will be asked to come to the school on Sunday on a staggered basis to interview with detectives to glean more information about Kyron's interests and school activities. They will be notified via a Portland Public Schools messaging system, he said. Parent Gina Zimmerman was at the school for the science fair, which she described as major academic and social event for the school where the day's events included an afternoon talent show. She said Kyron is not the type of child to wander off. "He knows 'stranger danger," she said. "He's a really good kid." Parents are shocked at the disappearance, she said, and have been calling to share concerns at "our little school where everyone knows everybody." She last saw Kyron in the morning, when he posed in a classroom in front of his "red-eyed tree frog" science project. He was posing for a picture taken by his mother, whom he loves, Zimmerman said. Zimmerman's daughter Madi is one of Kyron's best friends. The 8-year-old said she and Kyron would play Dragons and Knights and sway together on the tire swings. "I'm very worried and I hope he's okay," she said. She also said Kyron would not have gone off with a stranger, only with his mother, whom he loves. Portland Public Schools spokesman Matt Shelby said two teachers saw Kyron with his mother and thought the two left school together. He said it was not uncommon for parents to pick up kids this way, so no suspicions were raised. District officials were notified that the boy was missing at around 4 p.m. Police upgraded the case overnight to a Major Crime Teams investigation to allow more police resources to be tapped, said Multnomah County Sheriff's Office spokeswoman Lt. Mary Lindstrand. Staff of the FBI, the Oregon State Police, the Multnomah County Sheriff's Office, Portland Gresham and Fairview police were searching area of the school, which is on NW Skyline Blvd. just east of NW Cornelius Pass Road. Canine units and search and rescue organizations have also been called out, she said. Capt. Gates said the number of agencies will continue to grow. The effort is partly from the heart, as many in law enforcement can identify with the Horman family because they have children of their own. Lindstrand said about 20 miles of roadway and two square miles of land were part of the search area. Anyone who has seen Kyron or knows of his whereabouts was asked to call (503) 261-2847. PPS sent an automated phone message to parents of students at Skyline Elementary, but parents of students at other schools across the district have also reported getting the message. Shelby said the message was only intended to go to Skyline parents, but he said it's good that more people may be aware of the missing child. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: cartfly on June 05, 2010, 11:15:59 PM Kyron's school address is: 11536 NW Skyline Blvd, Portland, OR 97231 Skyline Elementary
From google maps there is a small church across the street and the area appears to be very rural with a two lane road in front of the school. Behind the school are woods but I haven't seen any bodies of water. I do not have good luck bringing over google maps so here is the link to it where you can go to street view. http://maps.google.com/maps?oi=map&q=11536+NW+Skyline+Blvd,+Portland,+OR+97231+%28Skyline+Elementary+School%29 (http://maps.google.com/maps?oi=map&q=11536+NW+Skyline+Blvd,+Portland,+OR+97231+%28Skyline+Elementary+School%29) Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: cartfly on June 05, 2010, 11:24:49 PM From the comment section of this article: http://www.katu.com/news/local/95669809.html#idc-cover (http://www.katu.com/news/local/95669809.html#idc-cover)
Quote by KittysAunt: I am good friends with the missing boy Kyron and I need to fill in some blanks for your posters. Kyron lives in a marvelous home and is taken care of by two wonderful parents. He has a baby sister and an older brother and loves his stepmom dearly. There is nothing but support for him at home and this is a terrible shock that has happened. Stop turning everything into a CSI story line. What they didn't say is that Kyron's backpack and jacket were found in his classroom, so the something fishy is coming form the school who never reported him missing. The children pointed out to the teacher that Kyron was missing and she never called his parents. I am worried sick and the last thing anyone needs to do is point at the parents ... this time, the school dropped the ball and a child is out in the darkness possibly alone or possibly abducted. Keep your facts straight before you start the witch hunt. Kyron's Portland Aunt Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: cartfly on June 06, 2010, 12:01:53 AM Searchers Keep Looking For Kyron Horman Last Update: 7:07 pm It's been an exhaustive, and largely frustrating, effort for the more than 150 people who searched the ground around Skyline School Friday and Saturday. Some of them planned to stay at it all night and into Sunday, looking for seven-year-old Kyron Horman, or for any sign which might lead to finding him. Search & Rescue volunteers scoured a one-to-two-mile area around Skyline Elementary School. The second-grader's step-mother says she last saw him at the school Friday morning, walking toward his classroom in the K-through 8th grade school. (see related story). More than 100 search & rescue volunteers remained out on the ground early Saturday evening, while more than 50 detectives were conducting interviews, trying io get any information they can. Many of those interviews were by knocking on neighbors' doors over a wide area, asking people if they'd seen anything, and also asking residents to search their yards, crawl spaces and every other inch of their properties. Fourteen different agencies, including teams from the four neighboring counties and the FBI, are using any resources they can to help with the search. Nearly 40 hours after Kyron's disappearance, volunteeers like Multnomah County Search & Rescue's Tony Bernavo were trying not to feel discouraged. "The best thing we cvan do now is hope," says Bernavo."There's a lot of people looking for him, doing all we can." Bernavo is one of those people willing to search all night and beyond, if that's what it takes. But as time moved on with no sign of the boy, the ground search part of the effort was slowly scaling down, while the detectives' investigational work was increasing - and spreading out over a much wider geographical area. For more information, to to Childseek's Missing Kyron Horman Website. http://www.koinlocal6.com/content/news/topstories/story/Searchers-Keep-Looking-For-Kyron-Horman/229uF9i160SiLDovQP1YYw.cspx (http://www.koinlocal6.com/content/news/topstories/story/Searchers-Keep-Looking-For-Kyron-Horman/229uF9i160SiLDovQP1YYw.cspx) Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: cartfly on June 06, 2010, 12:09:57 AM Saturday News conference: http://www.koinlocal6.com/content/mediacenter/default.aspx?videoId=16701@koin.web.entriq.net&navCatId=156 (http://www.koinlocal6.com/content/mediacenter/default.aspx?videoId=16701@koin.web.entriq.net&navCatId=156) Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: klaasend on June 06, 2010, 01:38:12 AM Stepmom's Facebook - Terri Moulton Horton:
http://www.facebook.com/#!/terri.horman?v=wall&ref=search (http://hphotos-snc3.fbcdn.net/hs565.snc3/30862_1489639802010_1264414625_1365624_1700926_n.jpg) (http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash1/hs526.ash1/30912_1485807466204_1264414625_1356438_6132817_n.jpg) Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: cartfly on June 06, 2010, 02:38:30 AM Details emerge about the day Kyron Horman turned up missing
By Lynne Terry, The Oregonian June 05, 2010, 11:21PM Friday began as a special day for 7-year-old Kyron Horman. His school in Northwest Portland was having a science fair and he was keen to show off his project to his stepmother. So, instead of taking the bus near his home off Cornelius Pass Road as usual, he hopped into the car with his stepmother, Terri Moulton Horman, who drove him to Skyline Elementary School. They arrived sometime after the school opened about 8 a.m., went to his classroom, dropped off his coat and backpack and he showed his stepmother his exhibit, "The Red-Eyed Tree Frog." Horman, who has raised Kyron since he was an infant, snapped a picture of him standing in front of it that she later posted on her Facebook page. It shows a bespectacled and beaming short-haired boy wearing a blue "CSI" T-shirt in front of an exhibit with photos of bug-eyed frogs, an anatomical drawing of the creature and other artwork. "He was so excited about his science project," said Carol Moulton, Horman's mother and Kyron's grandmother. "They had worked on it together. He was anxious to take it to school and show it off." After that, the two looked at other projects set up on desks in classrooms. There are about 300 students at Skyline Elementary, and all of them were invited to contribute to the fair. Although the school usually opens at 8:35 a.m. and the final bell rings 10 minutes later, the school opened as early as 8 Friday for the science fair, said Matt Shelby, spokesman for Portland Public Schools. Other students and parents showed up early as well to check out the fair, and Terri and Kyron saw people they knew while looking at the exhibits, Carol Moulton said. Terri often volunteers at the school, working closely with Kyron's teacher, Kristina Porter. Shelby said that Porter saw Kyron in her classroom with his stepmom before 8:45 a.m. and another instructor reported seeing him in another classroom at some point. At 8:45 a.m. when the bell rang, Terri walked her stepson down the hall close to his class. "He told her, 'I'm going back to the classroom, Mom,' and she waves to him and left," Carol Moulton said. "She thought he was safely at school just like he is everyday." What happened to the boy who went missing is unclear. Carol Moulton said the kids were supposed to report to their classes and be divided into small groups of a few students each. Each group was supposed to tour the science fair with a chaperone. Afterward, when they returned to their classes for roll call, Kyron wasn't there, she said. After leaving the school, Terri went about her day, running errands and taking care of household chores. She is a former elementary school teacher and has worked as a substitute teacher at various schools, but Moulton said that in recent years she has mainly been a stay-at-home mom. Kyron's father, Kaine Horman, works at Intel's main administrative facility in Oregon, the Jones Farm campus in Hillsboro, the company said. Kyron's biological mother, Desiree Horman, and his father were officially divorced in February 2003, according to Washington County Circuit Court records. Carol Moulton said that Kaine, 36, and Terri, 40, have been together for seven or eight years and that they have been married for four or five years. The couple have an 18-month-old girl. "Terri has raised Kyron," her mother said. "She's been with him since he was an infant. She's as much of a mom as the mom is because the parents had separated about the time that Kyron was born." She said he visits his biological mother in Medford every couple of weeks and that Desiree, 38, came to Portland as soon as she heard about his disappearance. Kyron was supposed to take the bus home Friday, so Terri went to the bus stop at 3:30 p.m. to pick him up. But the bus driver told her he wasn't there. Panicked, she ran home and called the school to discover that he had been marked absent for the day. She called 9-1-1, setting off a search that's drawn in a swarm of officers and several law enforcement agencies, including the FBI. Officers, working with sniffer dogs, have combed the hilly, wooded area around Skyline Elementary. Moulton doubts Kyron wandered off on his own. It's just not in his character, she said. "He's a little bit dreamy. He's a sweet kid. He gets distracted. He's your typical second-grader," she said. But he's no Huckleberry Finn. "He's not real adventurous," she said. "He's a little timid. But if a friend wanted to go outside and look at something, he would follow the friend. He has a friend who he regularly gets in trouble with in the classroom because he talks too much." Moulton said Kyron will not even venture far from his home in a wooded area. "He won't get out of sight of the house," she said. "He's pretty insecure about that. So I can't see him wandering off." His disappearance is devastating for the close-knit family, which plays board games together, goes bowling and enjoys visits to the Oregon Zoo. A few years ago, the family took a trip to Walt Disney World in Orlando, Fla. Terri also has a 16-year-old son from a former marriage who has loved with her mom and dad for the past few months in Roseburg. The teen's father also lives in the area and the two are on a Boy Scout camping trip this weekend. It will be difficult to give him the news, Moulton said. "It's a total mystery," she said. "He just vanished. I just can't believe it." Staff writer Stephen Beaven of The Oregonian contributed to this story. Lynne Terry: 503-221-8503; http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/details_emerge_about_the_day_k.html (http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/details_emerge_about_the_day_k.html) Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: cartfly on June 06, 2010, 02:08:41 PM FBI brings in profiler for Skyline search By Adam Ghassemi, KATU News and KATU.com Staff The FBI is bringing in members of its Child Abduction Rapid Deployment team as searchers move into the third day without a sign of a 7-year-old boy last seen at a Skyline Elementary science fair. Story Published: Jun 6, 2010 at 10:55 AM PDT Story Updated: Jun 6, 2010 at 10:59 AM PDT PORTLAND, Ore. – The Federal Bureau of Investigation is bringing in members of its Child Abduction Rapid Deployment team as searchers move into the third day without a sign of a 7-year-old boy last seen at a Skyline Elementary science fair Friday morning. The team includes a profiler from the FBI's national office. The missing boy, Kyron Horman, was seen Friday morning by Kyron's step mom, who reportedly says she took him through a science fair at school and sent him off to class. His teachers say he never checked in, and no one has said they have seen him since. FBI Spokesperson Beth Anne Steele, in Portland, said the CARD team members are experts on finding missing children. A description on the FBI website says "CARD Teams are primarily involved in non-family child abductions, ransom child abductions, and mysterious disappearances of children." Meanwhile, parents and students are slowly arriving at Skyline Elementary School – at 11536 N.W. Skyline Blvd. – to meet with officials looking for any information into the disappearance of a second grader from there Friday. Appointments are staggered between 10 a.m. and 4 p.m., with the last one wrapping up around 6 p.m. Search and rescue crews continue to comb the 2-mile radius around the school Sunday. However, officials believe the rain weather could make searching tougher. They also worry the rain could keep parents and kids scheduled to meet at the school from showing up for their interviews. Investigators are asking that interviewees come no matter what, because any small insight could help. Counselors are at the school if they're needed. Classes should resume Monday as planned. The Multnomah County Sheriff's Office is expected to hold a press conference at 3:30 p.m. Sunday. We will bring you any updates from that conference. http://www.katu.com/news/local/95725809.html (http://www.katu.com/news/local/95725809.html) Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: melisb on June 06, 2010, 04:51:35 PM Just cautious of everyone and I think stepmom needs to be looked at more.
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: cartfly on June 06, 2010, 05:30:55 PM Day 3: FBI calls in criminal profiler in search for missing Skyline boy; interviews with students and parents begin By Noelle Crombie, The Oregonian June 06, 2010, 2:14PM The OregonianParents arrive at Skyline Elementary School to be interviewed by detectives. The FBI has brought a vast array of resources to help the search for 7-year-old Kyron Horman today including launching its Child Abduction Rapid Deployment Team. It's a regional team although they have flown in members from across the country, including a Quantico-based profiler who is on-site to help develop a complete profile of the boy. 2 p.m. -- Heavy rains have turned to lighter showers as a Yamhil County search and rescue team prepared to give reporters on a glimpse of the grid searching going on within a 2-mile radius of Skyline Elementary School. 1:50 p.m. -- The Oregonian's Stuart Tomlinson produced a video of today's developments outside the school. 1:29 p.m. -- Neighbors stop by Brooks Hill Historic church, across the street from the school, to mull over the investigation. "This kind of thing is unheard of," says Jim Kelley, 50. Kelley, who lives about a mile and a half down hill, at the end of a winding, secluded country lane off Cornelius Pass, said police, federal agents, K-9 teams and helicopters scoured the area Saturday. "We had two odd sightings of a vehicle on our road Friday," Kelley said. Around 3 p.m., he and a neighbor reported seeing a white pick-up truck with a female driver pull to the end of the long road, idle and then turn around. Then again at 2 a.m. Saturday morning, a similar white pickup truck appeared, idled and when a neighbor loosed her dogs, eased away. "A, it was strange to have a car there, any car there, that we didn't know, and B, it was strange to have a vehicle come down our dead-end road twice in the same day, hours after a little boy goes missing," said Kelley. "That's beyond rare." Kelley said authorities have twice searched the deep ravine, creek and railroad tracks located near the end of his street by air and on foot. 12:10 p.m. -- Relatives have begun distributing missing person fliers with a photo of Kyron and this description: "3' 8" tall, 50 pounds, blue eyes, brown hair. Last seen wearing black cargo pants, white socks, and worn black Skecher Tennis shoes with orange trim." In the accompanying photograph, taken at the science fair on the morning he disappeared, Kyron is wearing a dark-colored t-shirt with the "CSI" show logo. The same information was also posted yesterday to helpfindmychild.net, a UK-based missing child site. If it sounds familiar, contact the Multnomah County Sheriff's Tip Line at 503-261-2847, or call 9-1-1. 11:45 a.m. -- Counselors and support staff plan to gather at Skyline's K-8th grade school northwest of Portland first thing Monday morning, said Portland Public School District spokesman Matt Shelby. Overwhelmed students will have access to a "safe room" for additional counseling support. "It's been hard for the students, hard for the parents, hard for the staff," Shelby said. "We're going to try and have as normal a day as we can tomorrow." The school year is scheduled to end in 10 days. 11:35 a.m. -- Schools spokesman Shelby says parents were notified of the all-day Sunday debriefing with police and federal agents via a robocall Saturday. The oldest students at the school began to arrive at 10 a.m.; kindergarteners and first grade students are set to arrive with parents later in the afternoon. 11:10 a.m. -- Vickie Coghill, a 35-year resident of Portland's Skyline area, pointed to the billboard outside the school, which reads "June 4, I.B. Inquiry Expo, 8-10, Talent show, 1-2:45." Kyron was to take part in both the expo/science fair and the talent show, Coghill said. "Something like this ripples through everyone," she said. "It's very frustrating. You want to help, but how?" 10:35: a.m. -- Today's search by 58 trained volunteers with sheriff's departments in Washington, Multnomah, Clark and Yamhill counties, coupled with additional searchers from Portland Mountain Rescue, Silver City, and Portland Northwest Search and Rescue, was expected to continue into the night, said Sgt. Diana Olsen, incident commander for Multnomah County Sheriff's Office Search and Rescue. 10:25 a.m. -- Saturday's search of the school, its immediate grounds, and the two mile-route between Kyron's home and the school yielded no clues, said Multnomah County incident commander Olsen. "I'm hoping we will have completed a two-mile radius today of homes and fields, outbuildings, barns, tunnels, railroad tracks," Olsen said. 10:11 a.m. -- A Portland Public School District spokesman is enroute to the school, where counselors will be on hand Monday to help the children and teachers cope with the disappearance. The Multnomah County Search and Rescue coordinator arrives to speak with reporters. 9:48 a.m. -- The search for Kyron continues this morning as the first of 300 students and their parents return to Skyline Elementary to review details of the day the boy went missing. Fifty detectives are on-hand to begin interviews at 10 a.m. continuing until 4 p.m. Kyron horman.jpgPhoto courtesy of the Multnomah County Sheriff's OfficeKyron Horman9:33 a.m. -- Lt. Mary Lindstrand, public information officer for the Multnomah County Sheriff's office, implored the public to come forward with any information they have about Kyron. She urged people not to let weather keep them from coming forward. "Our basis mission is to bring Kyron home," she said. Authorities made no progress in the search for Kyron, which was suspended overnight but is resuming today with a 2-square-mile grid search. The massive effort to find the second-grader involves four county sheriff's departments, the Portland Police Bureau and a large number of federal agents with the FBI. So far, the search hasn't turned up any clues about the child's whereabouts. Kyron Horman The Oregonian's continuing coverage of missing second-grader Kyron Horman. The boy's stepmother, Terri Moulton Horman, took him to school Friday morning and the two walked through a science fair. Kyron showed off his project on the red-eyed tree frog and by 8:45 a.m. Kyron waved goodbye to Horman outside of his classroom. At some point after that, the boy's teacher, Kristina Porter, marked Kyron absent. It was not until 3:30 p.m., when she realized her stepson was not on the school bus, that Horman discovered he had been absent all day. She then called 9-1-1. -- Noelle Crombie and Kimberly A.C. Wilson http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/day_three_search_continues_hun.html (http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/day_three_search_continues_hun.html) Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Wyks on June 06, 2010, 05:47:02 PM Timeline Friday, June 4, 2010: 8:45 a.m. Kyron Horman's stepmother drops him off at Skyline Elementary School, where a school science fair is being held that day. He is seen walking down a hallway toward a classroom, but school staff said they never saw him after this point. 3:30 p.m. Kyron fails to return home on his school bus as scheduled. His family calls the school. 4 p.m. The Multnomah County Sheriff's Office is first contacted about Kyron's disappearance. They begin to prepare for a search of the area. 5:45 p.m. Search and rescue teams begin to scour the area. They cover 20 miles of roads around Skyline Boulevard. Saturday, June 5, 2010: Noon: The sheriff's office holds a news conference. A sheriff's spokesman says the search for Kyron is still a missing person case and not a criminal investigation. He asks that civilian volunteers stay away from the search area to allow for the police agencies to conduct an efficient search. 4 and 8 p.m: Authorities hold additional news conferences and said the FBI and the National Guard have joined the effort. Search and rescue crews completed an "immediate grid search" around the school, sheriff's deputies said, but plan to work night and day to find Kyron. Investigators also announced they plan to interview Skyline students, their parents and school staff members on Sunday. http://www.kptv.com/kyron-horman/index.html (http://www.kptv.com/kyron-horman/index.html) Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: MuffyBee on June 06, 2010, 07:59:19 PM http://www.katu.com/news/local/95734359.html
School security will be tightened after 7 year old's disappearance June 6, 2010 PORTLAND, Ore. – Interviews with those who were at Friday's science fair at Skyline Elementary School – where a 7-year-old student is believed to have disappeared – may have turned up at least one new piece of information. In a press conference Sunday afternoon, a Multnomah County Sheriff's Office spokesman now says Kyron Horman was last seen at "a late hour in the morning." This raises questions about the 8:45 a.m. time released by the Sheriff's Office in its press release about this case. The press release reported the boy's stepmother walked through a number of classrooms with Kyron and last saw him around 8:45 a.m. Friday, walking down the hallway toward his Skyline second-grade classroom. The investigation has turned up that Kyron's teacher marked him absent when he never showed up. School Superintendent Carol Smith spoke publicly for the first time since Kyron's disappearance at the scheduled 3:30 press conference Sunday. (The conference started just after 3:40 p.m., after about a 10-minute delay in the hopes the F.B.I. spokesperson would arrive.) "We're hoping for his safe return," said Superintendent Smith. She went on to say that "the reported disappearance from one of our schools is unprecedented and deeply troubling." As such, changes are being made in how the school treats visitors. Beginning Monday, everyone entering Skyline Elementary School will be asked to sign in. A team composed of school security services, members of the teacher's association and other related parties also will look into safety procedures for releasing children as they leave school. As for Kyron's case, "we're hoping for his safe return," Superintendent Smith said Sunday. Even in Sunday’s rain students came by the car load to answer questions from authorities. Andrew Delzell was one of the students interviewed; he and Kyron are in the same math class. “He doesn’t seem like the person that would want to run away," Delzell told KATU Reporter Adam Ghassemi. "He’s a nice kid. He plays with his friends a lot. I’m not sure if he’d ever run away." Delzell’s mother, Kris Delzell, also was at Friday’s crowded science fair. "It's horrifying. It’s absolutely horrifying," she said. "...The dogs and the rescue people are coming through my yard, because we live close to where they’re searching. FBI people are interviewing us and [there are] police cars. We’re very shaken up." Investigators are hoping to paint a very accurate picture of what happened Friday, knowing Monday this campus will be full of people struggling to come to terms with Kyron's disappearance. Classes at Skyline Elementary School are scheduled as normal for Monday. “We’re asking them to really save their energy and focus on Monday," said Portland Public Schools spokesman Mark Shelby, "because when those students come back tomorrow we’re going to need ... their full energy to support those students.” Those at this rural Northeast Portland school are ready for any clue as to what happened to a kid everyone says is “nice” and “always smiling.” A school has set up a "Special Education Hot Line" to answer calls for those who need insight. That number is 503-916-3931. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: cookie on June 06, 2010, 08:34:40 PM I hope that this little boy is ok! I am really worried..
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: cartfly on June 06, 2010, 09:31:11 PM This is heart breaking with another day gone and no sign of little Kyron. This makes no sense at all. I am completely baffled. From comments in the news stories I see some people are suspicious of the step-mom. I really don't see her doing this by all I have read and seen. She just doesn't set my hinky meter off yet.
He either wandered away to the woods or someone somehow had an opportunity to take him from school between 8:45 and 10 AM. Kyron where are you sweetie? Praying for your safe return. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: cartfly on June 06, 2010, 09:41:59 PM News conference held today (on the right side of the link)
http://www.kptv.com/kyron-horman/index.html (http://www.kptv.com/kyron-horman/index.html) Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tracygirl on June 06, 2010, 11:02:58 PM Very strange story. With an open school concept where people are free to come and go, it just opens the door for something like this. He could have gone to the bathroom and someone was there. Or someone could have lured him away. Do they not even have campus security camera's?
I don't feel the step mom has anything to do with this but wonder about the mom. Why did he not live with her? Does she have some kind of issue? Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: cartfly on June 07, 2010, 01:40:50 AM http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/still_no_trace_of_kyron_horman.html (http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/still_no_trace_of_kyron_horman.html)
Still no trace of Kyron Horman as police, FBI conclude third day of search By The Oregonian June 06, 2010, 10:00PM BY NOELLE CROMBIE, KIMBERLY A.C. WILSON and STUART TOMLINSON The investigation into the disappearance of Kyron Horman, the bespectacled 7-year-old last seen inside Skyline School on Friday morning, stretches into a fourth day today with the boy's whereabouts still a mystery. Sunday, as Kyron's family ordered fliers carrying the boy's description and smiling face, authorities continued investigating his disappearance, calling in more than 65 detectives from various police agencies and nearly 60 trained searchers. "Our basic mission is to bring Kyron home," said Lt. Mary Lindstrand, a spokeswoman for the Multnomah County Sheriff's Office. Late Sunday, Multnomah County Sheriff Daniel Staton issued a status report and raised the case level to increase public interest and focus. He said additional searches and interviews are planned, but he declined to discuss strategy or specifics of the investigation. “Given the passage of time and the weather, we are characterizing this case as a missing endangered child,” he said. Hundreds of Skyline students and their parents streamed into the school throughout the day for interviews with investigators, who wanted to know whether students spotted anything unusual at school Friday. Police remain stymied as to what happened to the second-grader, described by his grandmother as dreamy, sweet and a bit timid. His stepmother said she last saw him at 8:45 a.m. Friday. She watched him walk toward his classroom after the pair toured the school's science fair. During police interviews Sunday, a student said he last saw Kyron later that morning near the south entrance to the school. That was the last time the boy was seen, Staton said. At some point that morning, Kyron's teacher, Kristina Porter, marked the boy as absent. But it wasn't until 3:30 p.m. -- when his stepmother, Terri Moulton Horman, met the school bus -- that she discovered Kyron had been absent from school. Nora Schreiber, a Skyline parent and volunteer, said the school has three main entrances and one secure exit. Two of the doorways are near the main office and are monitored, while a third on the north side of the school is not. Kyron's classroom is adjacent to that door, which opens onto a rear parking lot. Schreiber said she and her son, Jacob, 9, were interviewed Sunday by a federal agent. She said she told the agent that Friday was an especially hectic day at Skyline. "On a normal day, seeing a stranger will make you go, 'Hmm. I wonder who that is?' On such a hectic day as Friday, there was such a lot going on. To tell you the truth, I was focused on looking at the (science) project and helping Jacob fill out his (evaluation) form and not on the faces around me." Schreiber said Kyron was supposed to perform in the school's talent show at 1 p.m. but she didn't see him there. Kris Delzell was among those who brought their children to the school for an interview with detectives. "It's horrific," said Delzell, whose son Andrew, 9, attends the school. "I hope they find him and that he's OK," her son said. Counselors will be at Skyline today, said district spokesman Matt Shelby. Overwhelmed students will have access to a "safe room" for additional counseling. "It's been hard for the students, hard for the parents, hard for the staff," Shelby said. "We're going to try and have as normal a day as we can." Kyron's family made no public comment Sunday. Terri Horman was on Facebook throughout the day, receiving prayers and well-wishes from dozens of friends and relatives. A Facebook page dedicated to Kyron also was launched. Investigators said Sunday they haven't turned up signs of foul play. Still, the FBI, which has assigned a sizable, though undisclosed, number of agents to the case, launched its Child Abduction Rapid Deployment Team, a group of agents and analysts that specializes in organizing large-scale investigations of child disappearances. The team's involvement is standard when a child goes missing, said Beth Anne Steele, a spokeswoman for the FBI's Portland field office. The FBI also called in a Quantico, Va.-based profiler to develop a more complete portrait of Kyron. "You want to find out what his ... strengths and weaknesses are," said former FBI profiler Clint Van Zandt, now a Virginia-based security consultant. "Where would they go? Do they have a tendency to wander off? Do they have a tendency to cry? Have you ever talked to them about what to do if they get lost? "You are trying to find out everything you can," he said, adding that the FBI's profile will go far beyond a physical description. He said the profiler wants to "find out what might make (the child) vulnerable to a predator." Van Zandt said authorities tend to deploy lots of police resources in those crucial, early hours after a child goes missing. "Everybody knows the clock is ticking," he said. "You don't want to hold back any resources. You don't want to refuse to go down any path right now." The search, which at one point included a National Guard helicopter, will continue today. The air search, having turned up nothing, ended Saturday. The ground search, which included a detailed grid search of the two miles between Skyline and Kyron's home, relies on volunteers, most of whom need to return to work today, said Sgt. Diana Olsen, coordinator of the Multnomah County Sheriff's Office search and rescue operations. "We won't even get a quarter of the numbers (of volunteers) we have today," she said Sunday. She said searchers Sunday made a major push in soggy conditions and hilly terrain to complete their search. So far, overnight weather conditions have been favorable for surviving if Kyron wandered off. "It's warm even at night," Olsen said. "If he fell and injured himself, the expectation is he would still be alive." Skyline is something of a rural island, where residents place tomato starts at the end of driveways with a sign asking $1 per pot on the honor system. "It's a more urban version of Mayberry, RFD," said Cindy Banks, who owns a former church across the street from Skyline School on the winding Northwest Skyline Boulevard. "We know our neighbors. We're all asking ourselves how something like this could happen here." At the Plainview Grocery, just downhill from the school, a flier about the missing boy remains propped against the cash register. A lunchtime visitor asked owner Dave Linden, "Is this the boy that went missing?" Linden nodded solemnly. The shopper, a woman wearing a soggy blue fleece jacket, stooped to peer at the boy wearing a proud smile, a photo taken on the day Kyron Harmon went missing: "Let me take a close look so I know who to look for," she said, before heading to her truck. -- Noelle Crombie, Kimberly A.C. Wilson, and Stuart Tomlinson Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: cartfly on June 07, 2010, 02:49:08 AM snipped from the above article post by me
"Nora Schreiber, a Skyline parent and volunteer, said the school has three main entrances and one secure exit. Two of the doorways are near the main office and are monitored, while a third on the north side of the school is not. Kyron's classroom is adjacent to that door, which opens onto a rear parking lot." I am just kind of thinking out loud but what if Kyron could have exited the "third" door into the parking lot and posssibly he was struck by a car and the driver panicked, picked him up and placed him in their vehicle. Stranger things have happened....again just thinking out loud. Praying you will be found my morning Kyron. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Wyks on June 07, 2010, 04:19:01 AM The following info gathered from the news articles posted upthread. Words in italics below are my comments added and in my opinion, some of which can change, of course, when we get further factual info. regular school schedule 8:35a - school opens 8:45a - final bell rings friday was science fair day 8:00a - school opens early The kids were to report to their classes and be divided into small groups of a few students each. Each group was supposed to tour the science fair with a chaperone, then return to their classes for roll call. ((( Altho this hasn't been reported yet, my guess is that even on science fair day, the final bell would ring as usual, at 8:45a. The kids were likely supposed to all be back from the exhibits by then, and in their seats for roll call. JMO tho. ))) On Friday morning: -- Terri gives Kyron a ride to school, rather than him taking the bus as usual. -- They arrive at school about 8:00a, go to his classroom and drop off his coat and backpack. -- Kyron then shows Terri his exhibit, and she takes a pic of him standing in front of it. ((( None of the reports mention Kyron getting into a small group of his classmates before heading off (with Terri tagging along) to see the exhibits. According to the PTA pres, the class divided into small groups to make the tour, led by a parent chaperone. She seems to have expected that Kyron was in a group, (even knowing that Terri was there), but she didn't know which one. Terri must not have been considered a chaperone of a group that day, or the PTA pres would have known he was in her group. Which leaves us to wonder if Kyron got in a group at all, even tho he it seems he was supposed to. For the PTA pres to share with the media that there were small groups led by parent chaperones, proves that the school feels a measure of responsibility for all the students from when they leave class until they return to class. Whether or not those kids have their parent/s tagging along. So if Kyron was not in a group yet others were, why wasn't he made to be? Did someone drop the ball? Might seem like a little thing... yet it could turn out to be huge. From the time he left his classroom til the time he returned to his classroom, who is responsible for the safety of Kyron? School doors open, school event at the school, school staff and parent chaperones..... My vote is the school.. Whether or not a parent/caregiver is tagging along. On the other hand, I do feel that if a parent takes the child away from the school event, (even into the hallway), s/he must not then leave that child alone to wander the property unsupervised. And if s/he does, then they've compromised what the school has tried to do to ensure the child's safety. And yet, had staff/chaperone been alert, that wouldn't have happened either. So, I think both sides dropped the ball. Am sure folks could go back and forth on this, cuz I am just while writing it! Still and all tho, IMO, the school has the higher responsibility during the school event, no matter who is with the student, until that student is back in class. And then it goes back to the teacher. ))) Stuff in italics is all IMO. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Wyks on June 07, 2010, 04:32:12 AM Again, the following info gathered from the news articles posted upthread. Words in italics below are my comments added and in my opinion, some of which can change, of course, when we get further factual info. At some point between 8:00a and 8:45a, Kyron and Terri were seen by: -- Kyron's teacher in Kyron's classroom -- PTA president in Kyron's class at 8:15a -- A teacher in another classroom -- Other students and parents At an unknown time: -- Matt Shelby, (school district spokesperson) said that two teachers saw Kyron with Terri and thought the two left school together. He said it was not uncommon for parents to pick up kids this way, so no suspicions were raised. ((( Why didn't Shelby also say 'what time' and 'where' those two teachers saw Kyron with Terri? What made BOTH of them think he was leaving with her? Parents pick up kids anytime of the day for appts, sure. But rarely before class even begins. Did Kyron and Terri walk outside and say goodbye, either near the door (inside or outside) or toward the cars - rather than what Terri says, in the hallway? Could have been inside the hallway near the door, and neither of the two teachers saw Kyron then walk away from Terri toward his class? I dunno. Just seems that something gave those two teachers the impression that Terri/Kyron were leaving, rather than arriving. IMO ))) Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Nut44x4 on June 07, 2010, 08:11:23 AM FBI joins search for missing Oregon boy
7-year-old vanished after attending school's science fair updated 2 hours, 30 minutes ago PORTLAND, Ore. - Detectives hunting for clues in the disappearance of a 7-year-old Oregon boy interviewed some 200 of his classmates and their parents Sunday as the FBI joined an expanding search. Kyron Horman vanished sometime after after his stepmother left him at his Portland elementary school on Friday morning. The boy and his stepmother, Terri Moulton Horman, attended a science updated 2 hours, 30 minutes ago PORTLAND, Ore. - Detectives hunting for clues in the disappearance of a 7-year-old Oregon boy interviewed some 200 of his classmates and their parents Sunday as the FBI joined an expanding search. Kyron Horman vanished sometime after after his stepmother left him at his Portland elementary school on Friday morning. The boy and his stepmother, Terri Moulton Horman, attended a science updated 2 hours, 30 minutes ago PORTLAND, Ore. - Detectives hunting for clues in the disappearance of a 7-year-old Oregon boy interviewed some 200 of his classmates and their parents Sunday as the FBI joined an expanding search. Kyron Horman vanished sometime after after his stepmother left him at his Portland elementary school on Friday morning. The boy and his stepmother, Terri Moulton Horman, attended a science fair at the school early Friday, and she last saw him walking down a hallway toward his 2nd grade classroom at about 8:45 a.m. He was wearing a "CSI" T-shirt and dark cargo pants. Police said Kyron did not return home on the bus as scheduled. The Multnomah County Sheriff's Office was contacted at about 4 p.m., and authorities have been searching the school and the surrounding area since then. 'Missing endangered child' Sheriff Dan Staton said late Sunday night that he was "not prepared" to call the boy's disappearance a kidnapping and there were no suspects at this time. But he said Kyron was a "missing endangered child" because more than two days had elapsed since he disappeared and because search efforts were hampered by rainy weather. "We have developed a lot of information which has to be processed thoroughly, and I am not in a position to divulge any specifics of our investigative plan at this time," Staton said in a statement. Investigators have been working to determine a detailed timeline of the boy's movements on Friday morning, Staton said. Investigators asked Kyron's fellow students and their parents to come to the school Sunday and said they spoke with some 200 of them in an effort to glean clues into his disappearance. Relatives also distributed flyers with the boy's picture. Authorities were reviewing photos and videos taken at the school's science fair. The last photo of Kyron shows the boy smiling Friday in front of his project on the red-eyed tree frog. Asked if there were any persons of interest, Staton replied: "In this type of situation I think everyone is of interest to us." The FBI has dispatched its Child Abduction Rapid Deployment Team, as well as its Behavioral Analysis Unit, which is often dispatched when a young child disappears. Its presence doesn't mean law enforcement has determined the child has been abducted, FBI spokeswoman Beth Anne Steele said in an e-mail. The boy's parents were not ready to speak, Lt. Mary Lindstrand said Sunday. Multnomah County sheriff's deputies, the county's search and rescue team, the Oregon State Patrol and police officers from Portland, Gresham and Fairview were taking part in the search, which focused on the area surrounding the school and the two miles to Kyron's house. Superintendent of Portland Public Schools Carole Smith would not comment on the details of the district's policy for reporting school absences. Details about whether Kyron was reported as absent were not known. "The reported disappearance of a child from one of our schools is unprecedented and deeply troubling," she said. She said crisis counselors would be at the school on Monday. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/37547980/ns/us_news-life/ Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: trimmonthelake on June 07, 2010, 09:24:19 AM http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/
Good Morning America 06/07/10 Second-Grader Vanishes After Science Fair video Kyron Horman went missing as he walked back to his classroom. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: MuffyBee on June 07, 2010, 10:21:21 AM I'm snipping and bumping this back up, because it looks to me like there are questions about the initial timeline, and it looks like most articles/news aren't picking up on the possible change. This may just throw the 8:45 a.m. as the last sighting of Kyron out the window. The sighting of Kyron at a later time came from interviews, and from what I understand, the interviews aren't finished yet, so there may be another person that saw Kyron or saw someone/something and the timeline may change.
http://www.katu.com/news/local/95734359.html School security will be tightened after 7 year old's disappearance June 6, 2010 PORTLAND, Ore. – Interviews with those who were at Friday's science fair at Skyline Elementary School – where a 7-year-old student is believed to have disappeared – may have turned up at least one new piece of information. In a press conference Sunday afternoon, a Multnomah County Sheriff's Office spokesman now says Kyron Horman was last seen at "a late hour in the morning." This raises questions about the 8:45 a.m. time released by the Sheriff's Office in its press release about this case. (snipped) Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Blink34 on June 07, 2010, 01:04:53 PM My apologies, I have nothing useful to add except my deep concern.
I find these 2 things very odd. 1. The timeline has changed by hours, if we are to assume late morning encompasses up to 11:45am. Who and where was he seen? 2. If his teacher is saying his backpack was there, but he was not, why wouldn't that have alerted someone? Any relative picking up our kids besides Dad or I, in an emergency only, has to have a valid drivers license, and it is on file at the beginning of the school year. If they are not on file, the kids would not be released to them. I think it was worse in elementary school, actually, I don't think anyone but Dad or I could pick them up, and one of us had to be in attendance at the bus stop. I do not like how I am feeling about this case at all. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tracygirl on June 07, 2010, 01:28:33 PM Snipped http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/still_no_trace_of_kyron_horman.html
During police interviews Sunday, a student said he last saw Kyron later that morning near the south entrance to the school. That was the last time the boy was seen, Staton said. At some point that morning, Kyron's teacher, Kristina Porter, marked the boy as absent. But it wasn't until 3:30 p.m. -- when his stepmother, Terri Moulton Horman, met the school bus -- that she discovered Kyron had been absent from school. Nora Schreiber, a Skyline parent and volunteer, said the school has three main entrances and one secure exit. Two of the doorways are near the main office and are monitored, while a third on the north side of the school is not. Kyron's classroom is adjacent to that door, which opens onto a rear parking lot. Schreiber said she and her son, Jacob, 9, were interviewed Sunday by a federal agent. She said she told the agent that Friday was an especially hectic day at Skyline. "On a normal day, seeing a stranger will make you go, 'Hmm. I wonder who that is?' On such a hectic day as Friday, there was such a lot going on. To tell you the truth, I was focused on looking at the (science) project and helping Jacob fill out his (evaluation) form and not on the faces around me." Schreiber said Kyron was supposed to perform in the school's talent show at 1 p.m. but she didn't see him there. Ok so I have some questions. So he was supposedly seen later that morning near the south enterence but that would be a monitored area so he wouldn't have been able to leave, I would guess. He was also supposed to be in a talent show later that day? Were the parents planning on going? If not, ok not every parent does, but if they had planned on going, why didn't they? Was he excited about this talent show? Could he have gone into the woods to avoid the show but somehow got lost? Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tracygirl on June 07, 2010, 01:35:21 PM I wonder if there are any empty classrooms in the school he could have gone into to hide or perhaps was taken into? Are there any kids at the school that picked on him? Could they have locked him in something to be "funny" and are now afraid to say something?
The person that says he saw him is a child, he could have easily mistaken him for someone else, depending on how well he knew him or how far he was when seeing the child. I can't believe they don't have camera's at the school. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Blink34 on June 07, 2010, 01:37:42 PM I also wondered if perhaps he was NOT looking forward to being in the talent show.
I am getting the feeling the school was open all day with various activities to include parents? Are there security cams? Has the data from the traffic cams closest been pulled, any convenience stores? Do they have cameras in the parking lots, do they corroborate witness accounts? Who else was "absent" that day, or called out sick at the school? Landscapers on site? This is such a Bold move, I think if it were a crime of opportunity, they would have a suspect by now. I suspect that is a planned abduction, and probable pedophile. He knew him. Who showed more interest in him than other kids? Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Blink34 on June 07, 2010, 01:43:57 PM I wonder if there are any empty classrooms in the school he could have gone into to hide or perhaps was taken into? Are there any kids at the school that picked on him? Could they have locked him in something to be "funny" and are now afraid to say something? The person that says he saw him is a child, he could have easily mistaken him for someone else, depending on how well he knew him or how far he was when seeing the child. I can't believe they don't have camera's at the school. Good questions, I considered whether they contacted the step brother on his camping trip. I can't put my finger on why I feel LE is keeping something quiet, but I am sure they are. Anyone run down the RSO info? Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tamikosmom on June 07, 2010, 02:27:56 PM Details emerge about the day Kyron Horman turned up missing
By Lynne Terry, The Oregonian June 05, 2010, 11:21PM Friday began as a special day for 7-year-old Kyron Horman. His school in Northwest Portland was having a science fair and he was keen to show off his project to his stepmother. So, instead of taking the bus[/b] near his home off Cornelius Pass Road as usual, he hopped into the car with his stepmother, Terri Moulton Horman, who drove him to Skyline Elementary School. They arrived sometime after the school opened about 8 a.m., went to his classroom, dropped off his coat and backpack and he showed his stepmother his exhibit, "The Red-Eyed Tree Frog." Horman, who has raised Kyron since he was an infant, snapped a picture of him standing in front of it that she later posted on her Facebook page. It shows a bespectacled and beaming short-haired boy wearing a blue "CSI" T-shirt in front of an exhibit with photos of bug-eyed frogs, an anatomical drawing of the creature and other artwork. "He was so excited about his science project," said Carol Moulton, Horman's mother and Kyron's grandmother. "They had worked on it together. He was anxious to take it to school and show it off." After that, the two looked at other projects set up on desks in classrooms. There are about 300 students at Skyline Elementary, and all of them were invited to contribute to the fair. Although the school usually opens at 8:35 a.m. and the final bell rings 10 minutes later, the school opened as early as 8 Friday for the science fair, said Matt Shelby, spokesman for Portland Public Schools. Other students and parents showed up early as well to check out the fair, and Terri and Kyron saw people they knew while looking at the exhibits, Carol Moulton said. Terri often volunteers at the school, working closely with Kyron's teacher, Kristina Porter. Shelby said that Porter saw Kyron in her classroom with his stepmom before 8:45 a.m. and another instructor reported seeing him in another classroom at some point. At 8:45 a.m. when the bell rang, Terri walked her stepson down the hall close to his class. "He told her, 'I'm going back to the classroom, Mom,' and she waves to him and left," Carol Moulton said. "She thought he was safely at school just like he is everyday." What happened to the boy who went missing is unclear. Carol Moulton said the kids were supposed to report to their classes and be divided into small groups of a few students each. Each group was supposed to tour the science fair with a chaperone. Afterward, when they returned to their classes for roll call, Kyron wasn't there, she said. After leaving the school, Terri went about her day, running errands and taking care of household chores. She is a former elementary school teacher and has worked as a substitute teacher at various schools, but Moulton said that in recent years she has mainly been a stay-at-home mom. Kyron's father, Kaine Horman, works at Intel's main administrative facility in Oregon, the Jones Farm campus in Hillsboro, the company said. Kyron's biological mother, Desiree Horman, and his father were officially divorced in February 2003, according to Washington County Circuit Court records. Carol Moulton said that Kaine, 36, and Terri, 40, have been together for seven or eight years and that they have been married for four or five years. The couple have an 18-month-old girl. "Terri has raised Kyron," her mother said. "She's been with him since he was an infant. She's as much of a mom as the mom is because the parents had separated about the time that Kyron was born." She said he visits his biological mother in Medford every couple of weeks and that Desiree, 38, came to Portland as soon as she heard about his disappearance. Kyron was supposed to take the bus home Friday, so Terri went to the bus stop at 3:30 p.m. to pick him up. But the bus driver told her he wasn't there. Panicked, she ran home and called the school to discover that he had been marked absent for the day. She called 9-1-1, setting off a search that's drawn in a swarm of officers and several law enforcement agencies, including the FBI. Officers, working with sniffer dogs, have combed the hilly, wooded area around Skyline Elementary. Moulton doubts Kyron wandered off on his own. It's just not in his character, she said. "He's a little bit dreamy. He's a sweet kid. He gets distracted. He's your typical second-grader," she said. But he's no Huckleberry Finn. "He's not real adventurous," she said. "He's a little timid. But if a friend wanted to go outside and look at something, he would follow the friend. He has a friend who he regularly gets in trouble with in the classroom because he talks too much." Moulton said Kyron will not even venture far from his home in a wooded area. "He won't get out of sight of the house," she said. "He's pretty insecure about that. So I can't see him wandering off." His disappearance is devastating for the close-knit family, which plays board games together, goes bowling and enjoys visits to the Oregon Zoo. A few years ago, the family took a trip to Walt Disney World in Orlando, Fla. Terri also has a 16-year-old son from a former marriage who has lived with her mom and dad for the past few months in Roseburg. The teen's father also lives in the area and the two are on a Boy Scout camping trip this weekend. It will be difficult to give him the news, Moulton said. "It's a total mystery," she said. "He just vanished. I just can't believe it." Staff writer Stephen Beaven of The Oregonian contributed to this report. http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/details_emerge_about_the_day_k.html Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: darla on June 07, 2010, 02:38:03 PM Good Afternoon Monkeys and Guest!
I was so hoping Kyron had been found when I signed in today. I have a couple of questions: 1. Did his bio mom come to the science fair? 2.Did the teacher not see him when she divided the class into small groups? Something is just not adding up to me. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tamikosmom on June 07, 2010, 02:46:24 PM I cannot comprehend why a system was not in place to following up on all absent children. My grown kids attended private school and ... my son and DIL both teach the public schools. In both systems ... each classroom teacher is required to send a list of absent students to the school office ... contact persons on the students' profile are then notified.
Something else I cannot comprehend. Why were there no family members present at the talent show that Kyron was to have participated. Something is hinky. Janet ++++++ Still no trace of Kyron Horman as police, FBI conclude third day of search By The Oregonian June 06, 2010, 10:00PM Nora Schreiber, a Skyline parent and volunteer, said the school has three main entrances and one secure exit. Two of the doorways are near the main office and are monitored, while a third on the north side of the school is not. Kyron's classroom is adjacent to that door, which opens onto a rear parking lot. .... Schreiber said Kyron was supposed to perform in the school's talent show at 1 p.m. but she didn't see him there. http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/details_emerge_about_the_day_k.html Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: cartfly on June 07, 2010, 02:55:29 PM I wonder if there are any empty classrooms in the school he could have gone into to hide or perhaps was taken into? Are there any kids at the school that picked on him? Could they have locked him in something to be "funny" and are now afraid to say something? The person that says he saw him is a child, he could have easily mistaken him for someone else, depending on how well he knew him or how far he was when seeing the child. I can't believe they don't have camera's at the school. Good questions, I considered whether they contacted the step brother on his camping trip. I can't put my finger on why I feel LE is keeping something quiet, but I am sure they are. Anyone run down the RSO info? Hi Blink. I looked an Oregon RSO website but from what I gather not every RSO who has ever been convicted is listed. I found that disturbing. However, I did not find any one on the website that was listed as being near this area/zip code. The "characters" that came up in one search are pretty scary.....Check out this link to these pillars of society (insert sarcasm): http://www2.co.multnomah.or.us/Public/EntryPoint?sort=sex-offender-sex-offender-zip&ch=1d09d146a590c010VgnVCM1000003bc614acRCRD (http://www2.co.multnomah.or.us/Public/EntryPoint?sort=sex-offender-sex-offender-zip&ch=1d09d146a590c010VgnVCM1000003bc614acRCRD) Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Wyks on June 07, 2010, 02:58:56 PM Why haven't we heard anything from the father or step mom? Family spokesperson? Nuttin.
Not even the principal of the school has spoken. Why not? Why was the step mom playing a game on the computer after realizing Kyron had been missing all day? What parent could do that? Sounds to me like she wasn't working outside the home, had supposedly run errands after the science fair. Kryon was to be in the talent show that afternoon, guess Terri didn't have plans to watch him, or she would have known then he was missing. Why wouldn't she go watch him, give him support? VERY odd the later time for Kryon's being sighted at the school. That's up to three more hours that he could have been wandering around the hallways, etc with no staff sighting him. A teacher, seeing him roaming around, would likely have taken him back to class. I realize it was a busy day, yet where were all the staff? Security? Janitors? Lunchlady? Playground monitors? FGS!!! LE has said that they searched the area outside the school as soon as they were notified. Again the next day as well. Still haven't heard LE or the school spokesperson say if they searched every inch of the INSIDE of the school. One would think the inside would have been thoroughly searched, yet that hasn't been mentioned. Am hoping that they didn't just run into a room, glance around, then run into the next. Lots of nooks and crannies to hide....... or be hidden by someone else. Storage areas, crawl spaces, maintenance areas, etc. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Blink34 on June 07, 2010, 03:17:16 PM I wonder if there are any empty classrooms in the school he could have gone into to hide or perhaps was taken into? Are there any kids at the school that picked on him? Could they have locked him in something to be "funny" and are now afraid to say something? The person that says he saw him is a child, he could have easily mistaken him for someone else, depending on how well he knew him or how far he was when seeing the child. I can't believe they don't have camera's at the school. Good questions, I considered whether they contacted the step brother on his camping trip. I can't put my finger on why I feel LE is keeping something quiet, but I am sure they are. Anyone run down the RSO info? Hi Blink. I looked an Oregon RSO website but from what I gather not every RSO who has ever been convicted is listed. I found that disturbing. However, I did not find any one on the website that was listed as being near this area/zip code. The "characters" that came up in one search are pretty scary.....Check out this link to these pillars of society (insert sarcasm): http://www2.co.multnomah.or.us/Public/EntryPoint?sort=sex-offender-sex-offender-zip&ch=1d09d146a590c010VgnVCM1000003bc614acRCRD (http://www2.co.multnomah.or.us/Public/EntryPoint?sort=sex-offender-sex-offender-zip&ch=1d09d146a590c010VgnVCM1000003bc614acRCRD) I checked a few sources out, and what is odd, is there are a few who are listed as homeless. I commented on that once before in another case- wth? Homeless= we have no clue where this clown is. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Blink34 on June 07, 2010, 03:28:14 PM Why haven't we heard anything from the father or step mom? Family spokesperson? Nuttin. I have read they were not "ready" to speak, but I will say that the FBI encourages the parents to give a statement in an effort to "humanize" their child to a potential predator. And in general, that is done immediately after establishing the child is physically missing. Not even the principal of the school has spoken. Why not? Why was the step mom playing a game on the computer after realizing Kyron had been missing all day? What parent could do that? Where did you read that? I have not seen that before. Sounds to me like she wasn't working outside the home, had supposedly run errands after the science fair. Kryon was to be in the talent show that afternoon, guess Terri didn't have plans to watch him, or she would have known then he was missing. Why wouldn't she go watch him, give him support? I agree, if parents were invited, sometimes my children have "in school" events that are just for the kids, and then there is usually a duplicate evening event to include parents. VERY odd the later time for Kryon's being sighted at the school. That's up to three more hours that he could have been wandering around the hallways, etc with no staff sighting him. A teacher, seeing him roaming around, would likely have taken him back to class. I realize it was a busy day, yet where were all the staff? Security? Janitors? Lunchlady? Playground monitors? FGS!!! I agree, and think that should be immediately clarified by LE. Personally, I am of the opinion Kyron has to know this individual. LE has said that they searched the area outside the school as soon as they were notified. Again the next day as well. Still haven't heard LE or the school spokesperson say if they searched every inch of the INSIDE of the school. One would think the inside would have been thoroughly searched, yet that hasn't been mentioned. Am hoping that they didn't just run into a room, glance around, then run into the next. Lots of nooks and crannies to hide....... or be hidden by someone else. Storage areas, crawl spaces, maintenance areas, etc. There is also an abandoned church across the street. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Blink34 on June 07, 2010, 03:32:42 PM I want to be clear I am not making an accusation, just asking the same question I know LE has.
Why is the 16 your old living with Gma and Gpa and neither parent, for the past few months? He is supposedly on a camping trip with Dad, for Boy Scouts, which btw, that should show you what I know, I never heard of a 16 year old boy scout. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: klaasend on June 07, 2010, 03:51:38 PM I can't work on this today but nice site for links to the search:
http://topics.oregonlive.com/tag/kyron%20horman/index.html Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Nut44x4 on June 07, 2010, 04:25:33 PM Blink, I think 'Boy Scouts' go up to age 18.
This case is almost too strange to be true...something isn't right. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Blink34 on June 07, 2010, 04:45:47 PM Blink, I think 'Boy Scouts' go up to age 18. This case is almost too strange to be true...something isn't right. You said it Nut44x4- something is not right. There is only one way in and out of that school. I am of the opinion that they have ruled out the school as the physical crime scene of an assault, only because the FBI is involved, otherwise, I would not be convinced he ever left that school alive. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tracygirl on June 07, 2010, 06:37:53 PM I am more curious as to why his mother didn't have custody of him and why he lived with his dad and step mom, apparently since birth or he was a baby. Does the mother have some kind of issue that keeps her from caring for Kyron full time? Have there been any custody disputes? It says in one of these articles the mom was also there that morning. That just begs the question, when did she leave the school?
Also, who was the woman in the truck or car seen around that area in the early morning hours? Has that person been found? Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Rob on June 07, 2010, 06:52:41 PM I haven't read everything here - with Natalee's case going on, but it seems Kyron got to school, and poof. I guess I sorta have that right.
I think others may have posted what I'm going to say, but, like I said, I haven't read everything here, so here goes. I'm reminded of Anne Le's case where she was in the building. And another case where a young man was missing for about two years, seems he went into a rarely used utility closet and touched some hot wires - unfortunately, he was electrocuted. We had a case where I live of a man that went down a huge chimney to break into a school (I have no idea why) anyway, he got stuck and they didn't find his body for years and probably wouldn't have found it at all except for a general inspection that occurs like every ten years on the chimney. Hard to imagine a lil boy disappearing from INSIDE the school. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: cartfly on June 07, 2010, 07:20:04 PM 'Kyron, we’re going to get you home buddy' By KATU News Story Published: Jun 7, 2010 at 2:23 PM PDT Story Updated: Jun 7, 2010 at 3:44 PM PDT PORTLAND, Ore. – Dozens of searchers continued to look on Monday for a missing 7-year-old boy who disappeared from a Portland school Friday morning. Teams fanned out around Skyline Elementary School in Northwest Portland in hopes of finding any sign of Kyron Horman, last seen at a science fair Friday morning at the school where his stepmother dropped him off. Horman was marked absent for class a short time later and has not been seen since, although he was seen at the science fair by other adults and students. A large number of children and adults were at the school at the time of the science fair and there was no formal security or check-in procedures in place at the event. At a news conference at noon on Monday, Multnomah County Sheriff's Capt. Jason Gates promised to find the missing child. “Kyron, we’re going to get you home buddy,” Gates said Monday, his voice cracking with emotion. "Nothing is more important to your family, your friends and to us." FBI investigators have joined the effort that so far consists of multiple law enforcement agencies tracking down over 1,000 tips. The story has received attention from national media as well. Capt. Gates asked people to not show up at the search scene to volunteer while there are numerous professional search teams on the scene, and said, "we do not need civilian searchers." Investigators interviewed parents in their cars as they dropped children off for school Monday morning. Classes were in session at the school despite a press of media and law enforcement members. Placards with Kyron's photo lined the street out front of the school and parents have tacked up missing child posters throughout the area. School officials explained that an immediate call to the parents was not placed when he turned up absent from class because truancy was not an issue at the small school. Following the disappearance of Kyron, Schools Superintendent Carole Smith said the district would mandate automated calls to parents in the case of an absent student and upgrade security procedures at all schools, regardless of size. Kyron’s stepmother, Terri Horman, was not aware Kyron was missing until he failed to exit his school bus as expected at about 3:30 p.m. Friday. A half-hour later, the search for the boy began. Despite the large number of tips received so far, Capt. Gates pleaded with the public to call in with any bit of information that could help point them towards the missing child. Computer chipmaker Intel, where Kyron’s father works, issued a statement Monday afternoon in support of the family and asked anyone with a possible tip to call authorities immediately. Investigators said all family members, including Kyron’s birth mother, were cooperating with the investigation. Tip line: (503) 261-2847 http://www.katu.com/news/local/95808084.html (http://www.katu.com/news/local/95808084.html) Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: cartfly on June 07, 2010, 07:27:38 PM missing Kyron Horman
By Noelle Crombie, The Oregonian June 07, 2010, 1:23PM Some 72 hours after Kyron was last seen, Multnomah County Sheriff's Office incident commander, Capt. Jason Gates, said the effort to find the boy was personal. "Kyron, we're gonna bring you home, buddy, nothing is more important to your family, your friends and us," Gates said, choking back a sob. "I'm a parent and we're all tired, but we're staying -- as long as it takes." Seven-year-old Kyron was last seen inside Skyline School at 9 a.m. morning Friday, a busy day at the rural K-8 school thanks to a morning science fair and afternoon talent show. An intensive search and investigation into his disappearance were launched that afternoon and extended through the weekend. Kelly Ramirez, the sister of Kyron's mother, Desiree Horman, issued a statement today on behalf of the family thanking the community for their concern and support. "The incredible support we have received is overwhelming. To the numerous agencies, search and rescue teams and the community there are no words to express the gratitude we feel. You have worked tirelessly on Kyron’s behalf and continue to do so. At this point the most important thing is to get his picture out there. We encourage everyone if you would like to help this is what you can do. Print out his flyer, put it on the counter of every business you go into. Kyron needs to be seen. Above all do not give up hope, as we certainly never will. He is out there and we are going to find him and bring him home safe where he belongs." She said her sister is struggling to keep positive. "There's no words. It's unfathomable," she said. "You just try to keep positive. We firmly believe that he will be found. We trust in the system. We know that everything humanly possible is being done." Authorities stopped motorists on Northwest Skyline Boulevard this morning as school resumed, asking drivers whether they'd been on the road Friday. Meanwhile, students cavorted in the playground during recess, while the national media descended on the normally quiet rural community. Inside the long red brick building, Portland Public Schools spokesman Matt Shelby said mental health counselors and substitute teachers were available to help kids and staffers cope with the mystery. Twice as many students stayed home as usual, Shelby said, 45 compared to the typical 20 absentees. Skyline is one of the smallest schools in Portland's school district and one of only a handful with fewer than 40 second-graders. Skyline's official enrollment this year was listed at slightly fewer than 300 students in kindergarten through eighth grade, including 37 second-graders. At a noon news conference, Shelby said an auto-dial system used to deter truancy in high schools, wasn't in use Friday at about 20 district schools, including Skyline. But after Kyron's disappearance, the schools will begin using the dialer to alert parents to absentee students. "We have custody issues from time to time... to have a student missing for this amount of time is unprecedented." On Sunday, hours agents and officers interviewed parents and students who attended a science fair and talent show on Friday, searchers worked into the night. They faced challenging terrain and steady rain, which complicated the effort and quickly wore out searchers, said Sgt. Diana Olsen, coordinator of the Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office search and rescue operation. “We lost searchers real quickly yesterday," she said. "They got cold and wet and went home early.” The Oregonian's continuing coverage of missing second-grader Kyron Horman. Olsen said searchers on Sunday were not able to complete the 2-mile area from Skyline to Kyron’s home and hope to do that today. She said searchers today will focus on an area known as wood mill by Cornelius Pass and Northwest Sheltered Nook Road. “Yesterday they were in the thick blackberries,” Olsen said. “They spent seven hours in there and only did a third of it.” She said so far searchers have focused on what’s considered “high probability” areas – areas that search tables show a 7-year-old is likely to go if he or she has wandered off on his or her own. After today, searchers hope to have covered all of those areas, Olsen said. She said in addition to those areas, searchers also have responded to requests from Kyron’s father, Kaine, about areas where the boy may be, including a horse pasture in Banks, which was searched Sunday. Olsen said ground search efforts will be reassessed later today after the FBI looks at a map of the region. "The case here is unique," added Arthur Balizan, FBI Special Agent in Charge. "The media has to keep the message out there. We need the public's eyes out there. Keep looking for Kyron." Meanwhile, Gates said law enforcement personnel have collected 1,200 tips on the case so far and asked witnesses to come forward with additional helpful information. Tips can be directed to 503-261-2847. -- Noelle Crombie and Kimberly A.C. Wilson http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/ground_search_resumes_this_mor.html (http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/ground_search_resumes_this_mor.html) Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: MuffyBee on June 07, 2010, 07:37:37 PM I want to be clear I am not making an accusation, just asking the same question I know LE has. Why is the 16 your old living with Gma and Gpa and neither parent, for the past few months? He is supposedly on a camping trip with Dad, for Boy Scouts, which btw, that should show you what I know, I never heard of a 16 year old boy scout. http://www.troop97.net/bsainfo.htm (snip) Boy Scouting Division (boys, age about 10-1/2 until 18) * Two programs—Boy Scouting and Varsity Scouting * Boy Scouting is traditional Scouting for boys age approximately 10-1/2 until 18 (to join, a boy must be at least 10, PLUS either have earned the Webelos Arrow of Light OR have completed Fifth Grade OR be 11). (snip) (snip) Venturing Division (young men and young women, age about 14 until 21) * Replaces the former Exploring program (snip) Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: cartfly on June 07, 2010, 08:37:17 PM News conference:
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/Media/kyron-horman-school-crisis-mode-search-continues/story?id=10847733 (http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/Media/kyron-horman-school-crisis-mode-search-continues/story?id=10847733) Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: cookie on June 07, 2010, 08:40:27 PM now that you mention it about the talent show, yeah...why didn't the parents plan on seeing him in the talent show? seems odd to me! especially a mom who was a stay at home mom..what about grand parents? not living in the area? I wouldn't miss a talent show that my kid or grand child was in if at all possible..
very strange... Rob...yes, I think that they should do a more complete search of the school if they haven't already.. I pray this little boy is ok...still being positive... Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tracygirl on June 07, 2010, 09:13:00 PM http://www.bing.com/maps/#JnE9LjExNTM2K253K3NreWxpbmUrYmx2ZCtwb3J0bGFuZCtvcmVnb24rOTcyMzElN2Vzc3QuMCU3ZXBnLjEmYmI9NDUuNTI0NjI0OTI3MzI2MyU3ZS0xMjIuNzUwNjMxNjMzNjY3JTdlNDUuNTIxNDY3ODQ1MzE0MSU3ZS0xMjIuNzYwMjg3NTg2MTIx
This supposedly is a bing map of the school. I went all around the school and there seems to be 4 exits. One on each side, front, left, back and side. I don't think they even have a fence around the school. There should be a law that all schools have to have fencing and camera's. It needs to be included in the federal educational guidelines. This is just not right. Small town or not, obviously kids go missing. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Itaryl Moosee on June 07, 2010, 10:27:44 PM I just caught this on the news this afternoon, and my heart aches for this child. Hopefully he will be found safe and sound.
In trying to find answers with the little bit that's been covered in the media, I gotta note the following: The step mother drives him to school because of the science fair, takes a picture, but she will not go to the talent show, and she will not pick him up after school. It's been three days since his disappearance, has the boy's father or step mother gone on TV to ask for the kid's safe return? The sheriff did, but why hadn't the father and step-mother gone public to ask the kidnapper to return their son? On http://www.katu.com/news/local/95808084.html Jason Gates says they aren't talking unless it could help the investigation. WTH? The bio-mother asked her sister/speaker to deliver her message to the media. I read the bio-mom had visitations every few weeks, but why didn't she have primary custody? Just wondering on this one. The boy had the jacket and book bag on his seat in the classroom... but he was marked absent. When was he marked as being absent if he was there earlier than 8:35am? There were parents in the building for the science fair, hopefully they were all parents and not any pedophile in search of a victim. The children will know whose parents were there, as they know the other kids (as in "Timmy's dad was there")... better than parents knowing whose parents belong to which kid. I wouldn't think he would leave the school grounds on his own accord, without taking his jacket or book bag, or anyone noticing. Whatever happened, happened between the times when he posed for the science fair picture, and the time when his class started and he was marked absent. In my opinion, the teacher who said he/she saw the child later in the morning should be doubted, I would think. He/she is probably mistaken, or lied. Nobody else reported seeing the child anywhere in the school, and it seems odd that a single person saw him and didn't tell the kid to go to his classroom, or reported him to the office. I know in other boards people are already blaming the step-mother. I wouldn't do it without more information. I tried finding information on her, but other than her facebook page, there isn't much. My first gut instinct says it was one of the visiting parents. Maybe Kyron forgot something at the science fair room, and went back to get it, and got into a conversation with someone. Then, again, in this day and age stranger things have happened, so anyone should indeed be a POI. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: cartfly on June 07, 2010, 11:12:14 PM http://www.bing.com/maps/#JnE9LjExNTM2K253K3NreWxpbmUrYmx2ZCtwb3J0bGFuZCtvcmVnb24rOTcyMzElN2Vzc3QuMCU3ZXBnLjEmYmI9NDUuNTI0NjI0OTI3MzI2MyU3ZS0xMjIuNzUwNjMxNjMzNjY3JTdlNDUuNTIxNDY3ODQ1MzE0MSU3ZS0xMjIuNzYwMjg3NTg2MTIx This supposedly is a bing map of the school. I went all around the school and there seems to be 4 exits. One on each side, front, left, back and side. I don't think they even have a fence around the school. There should be a law that all schools have to have fencing and camera's. It needs to be included in the federal educational guidelines. This is just not right. Small town or not, obviously kids go missing. Thanks Tracy for the link to the bing maps. I really like that you can see behind buildings. I never could get google maps to do that! I did notice at street level on google maps, there is a fence in the front of the school at the road where the playground is but I couldn't tell if there was one around the perimeter to the left of the school where the soccer field/track (?) is. I agree it should be a law that all schools have fencing and camera's. In the world we live in, no one is safe or immune anymore. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: MuffyBee on June 08, 2010, 12:00:50 AM http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/kyron_horman_search_attracts_1.html
(Video) Kyron Horman search attracts 1,200 tips, but still no sign of the Portland second-grader June 7, 2010 (http://media.oregonlive.com/portland_impact/photo/kyronmondayjpeg-0291d9ec990d8406_large.jpeg) A student at Skyline School arrives Monday, passing a big sign of missing Kyron Horman. The FBI placed the photos along teh road near the school entrance. Searchers emerged Monday from the tall grass and lonesome forest shadows around Northwest Portland's Skyline School, convinced they had explored every area that a wandering 7-year-old boy might go. For the fourth straight day, they found no trace of missing second-grader Kyron Horman. Multnomah County Sheriff's Capt. Jason Gates, however, insisted the investigation was making progress, especially after receiving some 1,200 tips from across Oregon. With tears welling in his eyes, the incident commander said the search for the boy had become personal. "Kyron, we're gonna bring you home, buddy, nothing is more important to your family, your friends and us," Gates said, choking back a sob during a news conference. "I'm a parent and we're all tired, but we're staying -- as long as it takes." After torrential rains drove searchers away Sunday, authorities finished combing what FBI officials called "high probability" areas -- where search tables show a 7-year-old might go if he wandered off. They also completed checking the 2-mile area from Skyline to Kyron's home. Investigators said they were still trying to work out a plan for day five today. "I don't know what they'll be searching for, but there will be searchers available," said Multnomah County Sheriff's Lt. Mary Lindstrand. "Much of it depends on what develops during the night." With Kyron's disappearance getting national exposure from NBC's "Today Show" to People.com, some Skyline parents kept their children home from the K-8 school. Still, laughter and bouncing balls filled the playground during an afternoon recess. Some children clung to a chain-link fence, gazing through the holes at the satellite dishes periscoping toward the sky from television trucks parked across the street. Nestled among farms, an old grange and hillside homes with long driveways, Skyline School is 10 miles northwest of downtown Portland as the crow flies. Neighbors congregating at Brooks Hill Historic Church across the street from the school said they couldn't believe something so heartbreaking had happened in their community. "I was hoping it would be a one-day thing," one neighbor was overheard saying. Kyron was last seen inside Skyline at 9 a.m. last Friday, a busy day thanks to a morning science fair and afternoon talent show. Authorities launched an intensive search and investigation into his disappearance that afternoon and continued through the weekend. On Monday, 18 certified search and rescue volunteers resumed sweeping the area near the school as deputies canvassed the neighborhood, handing out fliers and jotting down license plate numbers of passing vehicles. Kelly Ramirez, the sister of Kyron's mother, Desiree Horman, issued a statement on behalf of the family thanking searchers and the community. She said her sister is struggling to keep positive. "There's no words. It's unfathomable," she said. "You just try to keep positive. We firmly believe that he will be found. We trust in the system. We know that everything humanly possible is being done." Ramirez said the most important thing anyone could do was print fliers with Kyron's photo and post them wherever possible. "Kyron needs to be seen," she said. "Above all, do not give up hope, as we certainly never will. He is out there and we are going to find him and bring him home safe where he belongs." Gates, the incident commander, said he was feeling closer to finding the boy "because we're getting leads that we're following up on." "We're also eliminating areas that Kyron is not," he said. Some tips have reached into Washington state, he said, without elaborating. At the same time, he expressed frustration that some people have called in nonsensical tips. "Since he did his science fair project on tree frogs," Gates said, "they'll call and say, 'He went to live with the tree frogs.' It wastes a lot of time." Authorities had previously reported that Kyron's stepmother, Terri Moulton Horman, was the last to see the boy about 8:45 a.m. as he walked to his classroom. The two had attended a science fair, where the bespectacled boy with the gap-toothed grin posed for the photo now showing up on the missing fliers. But investigators now say Kyron was last seen at 9 a.m. inside the school, but declined to say by whom or where. Inside the long red brick building, Portland Public Schools spokesman Matt Shelby said mental health counselors and substitute teachers were available to help kids and staffers cope. Twice as many students stayed home as usual, Shelby said, 45 compared to the typical 20 absentees. Skyline is one of the smallest schools in Portland's school district and one of only a handful with fewer than 40 second-graders. Skyline's official enrollment this year was listed at slightly fewer than 300 students in kindergarten through eighth grade, including 37 second-graders. More than 60 percent of the school's parents and staff have responded to an FBI and police request to come to Skyline to be interviewed. Eventually, Gates said, investigators will start contacting those who haven't voluntarily come forward. Investigators are holding tight to any clues or leads they might be pursuing. When asked about neighbors reporting a mysterious white pickup in the area, Gates said he didn't feel comfortable answering such questions. At the same time, he asked for additional witnesses to come forward if they have helpful information. Tips can be directed to 503-261-2847. "Any small tidbit that you might have," Gates said, "just might be the information that we need." Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: cartfly on June 08, 2010, 01:39:53 AM (video interview @link with David Vaughn
Sighting Prompts Truck Driver To Call Tip Line POSTED: 5:56 pm PDT June 7, 2010 UPDATED: 7:55 pm PDT June 7, 2010 PORTLAND, Ore. -- A truck driver said he saw a child who resembled a missing second-grade boy on Highway 26 on Saturday afternoon. David Vaughan said he was driving toward Portland when a pickup truck turned in front of him onto Salmon Berry Road in western Washington County. Vaughan said he slammed his brakes to avoid a collision with the gray or black truck. He said he saw a boy in the front seat who looked like Kyron Horman. "I saw this young boy looking out the window at me (with) a startled look on his face and that was it until I got home that evening. My wife and I were talking and we saw this come on the news, and it flashed that this looked very familiar to me -- a very distinctive young man and I thought it was worth making a call," Vaughan said. Vaughan said he received a call back from an FBI agent Monday morning. Multnomah County sheriff's spokesman said investigators received more than 1,200 tips about the boy who was last seen at Skyline Elementary School in rural northwest Portland on Friday. http://www.kptv.com/news/23824427/detail.html (http://www.kptv.com/news/23824427/detail.html) Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: 4getUnot on June 08, 2010, 02:01:42 AM Found this link with a video at this site. The video has a ton of pictures of Kyron. He looks like such a sweet and thoughtful boy. I sure hope he is found soon.
http://open.salon.com/blog/bonnie_russell/2010/06/07/hey_osers_-_have_you_seen_second_grader_kyron_horman This lady seems to be a local and there are a lot of comments at the bottom of the page. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Starlit on June 08, 2010, 02:44:30 AM As a mom, IMO, I find this science fair a perfect opportunity for a sex offender to get onto school campus. The step-mom doesnt really set off my hinky meater either. Just sayin. I will be prayin for this little boy.
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: cookie on June 08, 2010, 08:30:09 AM just finding it odd that Kyron was seen at the science fair right? wouldn't a teacher have seen him there too? and wouldn't his own teacher have seen him at the science fair? why then was he marked absent while his book bag was lying on his desk/seat? and during role call, if they have one, another child would not have said, he is here. and that would have set off a warning wouldn't it? I too am wondering why the step mom or the father have not spoken out on Kyron's behalf..at least to speak to him through the tv, that they are looking for him etc..
I suppose that there was a lot of confusion with the science fair and all the adults milling around who are not normally there... but again, the talent show going on and no one related to Kyron was going to watch him? odd again..to me. my hinky meter is not going off..just toooooo many questions...no different than any other childs disappearance I suppose..We have to look at everyone around the child. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: melisb on June 08, 2010, 08:43:58 AM Just checked stepmom's FB and in reply to someone 5-7 hours ago she states she will be hitting the gym today and didn't get home til 8. WTF??? Granted I would not react like this but how can you even think of working on yourself when a child is missing? Sorry, I still can't bring a link over and you guys have shown me plenty of times!!! Something is very weird in this case. Maybe he's just lost in the woods like the other little girl a couple of months back.
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: cookie on June 08, 2010, 08:56:44 AM Just checked stepmom's FB and in reply to someone 5-7 hours ago she states she will be hitting the gym today and didn't get home til 8. WTF??? Granted I would not react like this but how can you even think of working on yourself when a child is missing? Sorry, I still can't bring a link over and you guys have shown me plenty of times!!! Something is very weird in this case. Maybe he's just lost in the woods like the other little girl a couple of months back. if my child was missing, I hardly think that I would find the inclination to go on fb and talk about myself..but hey, that is just me... hopefully he is just lost in the woods. That would be the best scenario at this moment. but I would be out searching for him myself wouldn't you? Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: melisb on June 08, 2010, 09:05:42 AM Amen! I would either be in a straight jacket or retracing my steps constantly and searching. I still feel like she had something to do with this. MOO, why no plead from them in the media? Even the guilty ones do that. I don't get this one at all.
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Itaryl Moosee on June 08, 2010, 10:49:44 AM Not that it makes a difference, or adds to the investigation, but I'm writing this just for the overall picture or knowledge of the family situation, or for those who want to do further research.
I used a people search engine and found four adults to the household. One is the father Kaine, Desiree McCullough, Terri L. Ecker, and Terri Lynn Ecker. Kaine is the father, has worked for Intel for a few years. Desiree (Horman) McCullough is the ex-wife, Kyron's bio-mother. The other two names for Terri Ecker must be for Terri Horman. I found an adoption entry in adoption.com for her, and the birthdate is in March 1970, which comes to about the same age (40 years) for the step-mother. The place of birth was in California. Someone is keeping a GREAT facebook page for Kyron: http://www.facebook.com/pages/Missing-Kyron-Horman/125336750831264?v=wall This is Kaine's facebook, too: http://www.facebook.com/people/Kaine-Horman/1512276158 Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: newfie on June 08, 2010, 05:18:36 PM This is a sad and strange case. Though the family is always the first we look at I do not think they are guilty. As far as the talent show, some are for the school kids only like assemblies. How do we know he was actually in it? Is there something that references that? Also the stepmom had a toddler at home. They can be a handful and something of that nature would be boring to a todller especially if it was nap time. I do wonder if it was the stepmoms routine to pick Kyron up from the bus stop? The school was buzzing with families, friends, older and younger kids, relatives etc. until 8:45 a.m. when the kids were supposed to meet in their classrooms to get into small groups with chaperones. Who was delegating the groups and why didn't they notice at that time that Kyron was not in his group? His backpack, coat, and teachers, as well as his friends knowledge of him having been there should have been a flag. I think he was either lured out to help out with something, tempted by someone else, or he is somewhere in that school.
Have they thoroughly searched every nook and cranny in that school? Was there anything unusual or different about Kyron in the last couple of weeks? ie was he being bullied, was he sleeping okay, were there any unusual behaviors? Are there any new staff in the school particularly bus drivers, janitors? Have any ie was he be Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Peace on June 08, 2010, 05:19:30 PM The one thing that stands out to me is that it is reported that the step-mom left him at 8:45 which is incorrect. She posted on FB at 8:46, and not from a mobile device. If she were to have walked him to his classroom at 8:35, when the first bell rang, it would take a few minutes to get to her car, and assuming she had her daughter w/ her, she needs to buckle in and out the young child, it's a 5 minute drive home from the school per mapquest, so she mujst do something w/ young child, turns on computer and immediately responds to a post on FB? Takes me a few mins to boot the computer then read through posts, get child entertained by something, then I would respond to a post, but her response is at 8:46am. I would think she would have to dart home rather quickly to accomplish this, or it would be difficult to think she dropped him at his classroom after one of the bells rang.
I don't see anyone just realizing their child is missing going onto FB and playing games. No, you would be frantic. How could you concentrate on earning points on a game? She was earning points on a game at 5:30. Nope. No one would do that. No one. Nervous energy would have you doing strange things, but playing a game to earn points would not be one of them. I do think she may have had assistance and told Kyron to go to the parking lot in a few minutes, after she left to show a 'relative' their way to the exhibit, and at that time, the person waiting for him abducted him. I suggest the FBI seriously question her about this scenario. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: newfie on June 08, 2010, 05:38:24 PM I did find an article where it states by another parent that he was suppossed to be in the talent show, here it is:
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/still_no_trace_of_kyron_horman.html snipped Schreiber said Kyron was supposed to perform in the school's talent show at 1 p.m. but she didn't see him there. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Deenie on June 08, 2010, 05:39:35 PM Hi Monkeys
Trying to see If I can stay in the room to post. This is so sad about this little boy Kyron. Things that make me go hmm from what I have read Science Fair within School (( all my personal thoughts /opinions)) This was a huge event for the staff and children. It must have taken awhile to plan and even possibly there was funds raised in order for the fair to happen. Were tables, chairs, equipment donated? by outside companies.. parents of students? Was there a group of staff/parents there were in charge of the Science Fair? That there was a crew such as Leader, managing the projects, volunteers, someone observing the " children" most importantly. Was someone minding the doors/exits/school building/Gym to the pre-event, during and after? There had a be a ton of parents wandering around before the Fair. I would think that the children would bring in their exhibitions prior to the day of? Don't they normally have a Parent/sibling Night - prior to allowing in the general public to see the displays? ( maybe I am too old school, I am thinking of when my Daughter was little and when I was in elementary school) I am confused on the statements of him being " seen" and yet marked absent ..and not a call home to notify his family .. just odd. The other thing too that is odd to me is the lack of security within this school. I know when my Daughter was in Elementary it was like entering Fort Knox. Granted this was a day of confusion with the fair ongoing. But still. Something is not right. I do know this too that schools are well aware that "they legally are pretty much opt out of liability if anything happens to your child" on their property. You can attempt to sue the public school system if you have a ton of money to waste. What has to happen is the parent has to sue the person/persons ( individual/s) personally. Something is not adding up within what has been said about Kyron's hours inside the school. The mention that step-mom dropped him off ..says to me that his Science Project was already at school. I would think that Kyron would be so excited about the day's event ..he would go straight to class and join his classmates. That they all would be together all chiming in ..with excitement for the fair to start. That and I do not understand why neither of his parents were at the school for the 1 pm program. Kids just gush over the fact that their parents come to see them at school events. One other mention is was Kyron taught Stranger Danger? Did his parents have a code word for him. That if anyone were to approach you they have to know our code word? I know its so hard for a child at his age to be challanged with " Do I listen to this Adult? " because they are an Adult and kids feel they have to do what this creep says ...(strangers) Reminds me of the Lovely Bones where the little girl is *swayed ((after she had it made up in her mind she was not to go with this man)) *The man said You will be the First One to see what I made ..all the kids in the neighborhood will be so envious of you. Pure Trickery. I hope they find this little boy Kyron SOON and he is SAFE. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Deenie on June 08, 2010, 05:48:06 PM The one thing that stands out to me is that it is reported that the step-mom left him at 8:45 which is incorrect. She posted on FB at 8:46, and not from a mobile device. If she were to have walked him to his classroom at 8:35, when the first bell rang, it would take a few minutes to get to her car, and assuming she had her daughter w/ her, she needs to buckle in and out the young child, it's a 5 minute drive home from the school per mapquest, so she mujst do something w/ young child, turns on computer and immediately responds to a post on FB? Takes me a few mins to boot the computer then read through posts, get child entertained by something, then I would respond to a post, but her response is at 8:46am. I would think she would have to dart home rather quickly to accomplish this, or it would be difficult to think she dropped him at his classroom after one of the bells rang. That is interesting Peace. I am just digging in here. That is something about the login and post times for the Step Mom. Are they sure it was her and not possibly her teen son? just thinking out loud. Where was he? does anyone know if he was in school *accounted for * when all this went down?I don't see anyone just realizing their child is missing going onto FB and playing games. No, you would be frantic. How could you concentrate on earning points on a game? She was earning points on a game at 5:30. Nope. No one would do that. No one. Nervous energy would have you doing strange things, but playing a game to earn points would not be one of them. I do think she may have had assistance and told Kyron to go to the parking lot in a few minutes, after she left to show a 'relative' their way to the exhibit, and at that time, the person waiting for him abducted him. I suggest the FBI seriously question her about this scenario. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: newfie on June 08, 2010, 05:55:32 PM I agree that is interesting Peace though Facebook is not actually as accurate as one might think. I am not her facebook friend so I cannot see her wall, you must be a friend of hers Peace. Also are they in Pacific time zone ? I am in Eastern so I do not know what time zone shows up on my Pacific or Central time zone friends. I am not discounting her as a suspect, I just don't feel it. Something else happened is what my gut tells me. I hope the profiler and FBI are all over this.
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Deenie on June 08, 2010, 06:04:16 PM Question if anyone can answer.
I have tried the link to step-mom's Fb - and it is not open to the public. ( which is a good thing) What I wonder is if she did spend a lot of time on FB. Who is on her friends list? Does she actually know all of them as real friends/real family etc. Or does have anyone and anybody that asks to be her friend on her FB. That is why I do not like FB. It seems to be a wide open window to your life and into your minor children's lives as well. I am on FB. Not for entertainment. I am on to watch my Daughter. Serious. Who is not a minor. I have told her time and time again to quit FB. That she has quit it but seems to rejoin it after ..she feels she is missing out on her friends daily postings. I have seen people post right to the minute of what they are doing, thinking, no forethought was so ever, to the WILD OPEN Internet ...Anyone can read it. OH I am going to Florida, My flight leaves at 6:22 am tomorrow and I will be gone for 12 days and ... you know my Car is in garage .. I am going take a cab to the airport. OH I can't wait to leave and be away for soooo long. Complete IDIOTS - Why don't you just post " ROB ME" ....... steal my car. Did this woman post things of her daily doings so blatant that included this adorable little boy ..that Anyone could start tracking him? As in a Sicko? grrrrr. just thoughts. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: cartfly on June 08, 2010, 06:20:41 PM Just checked stepmom's FB and in reply to someone 5-7 hours ago she states she will be hitting the gym today and didn't get home til 8. WTF??? Granted I would not react like this but how can you even think of working on yourself when a child is missing? Sorry, I still can't bring a link over and you guys have shown me plenty of times!!! Something is very weird in this case. Maybe he's just lost in the woods like the other little girl a couple of months back. OK, I wasn't suspicious of Stepmom until you posted this!! OMG, that is the last place I would be. My hinkymeter is starting to get some action. I just think that is incredibly insensitive to be going to the gym to work out....this is beyond frustrating!! This is what the post looked like (posted JUNE 8, 2010) (I cant screen shot, because I am short on time, but this is the jist of MelisB's find: Jennifer Hill Terri, I'm free afternoons all week long if you still want to meet up. And of course I can make myself free anytime if you need anything at all... We will continue to be here for you guys, just let us know how we can help. *hugs* for each of you 15 hours ago · Terri Moulton Horman Hitting the gym tomorrow. I didn't get home until 8pm tonight... 15 hours ago Jennifer Hill I figured as much. Txt me when u go, if the timing works out ill keep u company. 8 hours ago http://www.facebook.com/terri.horman#!/terri.horman?v=wall (http://www.facebook.com/terri.horman#!/terri.horman?v=wall) Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Peace on June 08, 2010, 06:22:38 PM Newfie, no I am not her friend on FB, but can see her wall posts. Deenie, no she does not do daily accounts of her whereabouts. I would question the man she responded to on FB at 8:46am though.
It would be so risky for a perp to try to abduct a child from a school, even with a lot of commotion going on such as the science fair. Impossible to know all family acquaintances who would question Kyron with an unknown person. For a second grader to be lured outdoors, it must have been for familial reasons. Teachers will tell you that typical behavior for a second grader is that they do not want to do the 'wrong' thing, so I think Kyron would have gone outdoors if he were told by a person in authority that it was o.k to do so. They are taught to never leave the building unless it is recess or dismissal time. Not being an overly rebellious or adverturous child, he would be afraid to break the rules of leaving the building without permission. I believe he had permission and was instructed to leave the building himself, which would not necessarily attract the attention of someone as would a janitor or stranger leaving the building w/ the child. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Itaryl Moosee on June 08, 2010, 06:29:30 PM Facebook is located in Palo Alto, Ca.
Portland should be the same time zone. So, the posting time should be about the same. I was thinking that maybe they are in different time zones, and so there could've been an hour or so of difference, but they are not. MAYBE she sent him on his way after the science fair, and rushed home to get online. Many people are like that, eager to get on the computer at any available time. I read on another BB (the one that forbids people from sleuthing) that the step-mother had mentioned an appointment for Kyron and the teacher thought it was for Friday, but the SM says it was for next week. Note: I wonder if the appointment for next week could be confirmed by LE. The teacher, according to this rumor, thought that he was away from the school on an appointment and that's why she didn't question his leaving the bag and the jacket. I say it's a rumor, because I haven't seen any real reference, yet. Maybe someone else will find it. :) Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Peace on June 08, 2010, 06:47:29 PM Moossee, lol. I know the board you r speaking of. Too bad, they have some smart individuals there. I do understand not wanting to traumatize a family, but one's actions after a family member disappears are highly scrutinized, as they should be. Many times crimes are perpetrated by a family member. As an individual studying the behavioral sciences, I find her actions and apparent thought process highly suspect.
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Deenie on June 08, 2010, 07:00:25 PM I keep reading little tiny mentions that Step-mom had lost the family Cat?
Does anyone know if this was recent? that the cat was Missing or did it pass away? http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/kyron_horman_search_attracts_1.html in a comment about the cat Just wondering if possibly the family made flyers/posters and it had Kyron in the photo with the cat? Or possible was said on the flyers - Children miss the cat? Reward * plus you never know what may trigger a freak when they see a certain child in person or in photo. Like the case of Jaycee Dugard, the creep who kidnapped her, he went after girls that resembled her, prior to him, finding her. Anything is possible in today's society. If someone wants to score a buck or create a scam of another persons plights ..its easy to do. Even for little money. That someone " a local" could have lured Kyron with " I found your Cat" -- I don't know when the cat was missing. Or if the cat again passed away. Again just tossing thoughts into the air. As it seems, that Kyron has gone Poof into thin air. :( Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Deenie on June 08, 2010, 07:18:42 PM http://theportlander.com/2010/06/08/police-give-subtle-clues-in-kyron-horman-disappearance/
snipped: he FBI was called in very early on in the investigation. The have since posted an alert at FBI.gov to warn Americans that Kyron is in danger. The FBI has also brought in a profiler, along the likes of the popular TV show Criminal Minds. Not something you’d expect the FBI to do if they believed that Kyron was simply missing in the woods or taken by a family member. Additionally, it is well known that that Kyron’s step mother dropped him off at school at 8:30am on Friday. She has told police that the last time she saw the 7 year old is when she left at 8:45am. Now, police have communicated that someone saw Kyron at 9am but they refuse to say who saw him, where at and what the circumstances where. The 9am event and mystery witness may hold the key to what happened to Kyron that fateful morning. -- Comment of article above - posted 1 hour ago snipped: HollysGmom wrote The teacher marked him absent because his step-mom told her in a crowded gym that he had an appointment....Terri now says the appointment was for the next week. The authos is correct, there is alot to read between the lines as well as correlations of all neewsreports will help you find the little bits. There was an unknown white truck in Kyron's neighborhood bothe Friday afternoon around 3:00 pm and 2:00 am Saturday morning. (Odd timing & placement) THen there was a truck driver who reported a Kyron sighting South of Portland near the Sherwood area. The driver was female & driving a white/grey truck. The trucker saw what appeared to be a surprised/anxious Kyron against the window. THey have already gathered, rephotoed, and rechecked all SRO's of the local area. CHeck an offender search. You will see they all have been updated as of yesterday. We won't even discuss the timeline conflicting post to FB that Terri made that date... Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Wyks on June 08, 2010, 07:23:13 PM Blink ~ Thanks for your replies! In re your question about where did I read that the stepmom was playing a game on the computer after realizing Kyron had been missing all day... Terri called the school and then 911. About an hour later, her facebook shows that she was playing Treasure Isle at 4:34 on Friday. She had just achieved the rank of 'Pretty Pirate', so must have been playing at that time. http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1512276158#!/terri.horman (http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1512276158#!/terri.horman) 4:34 on Friday........ Terri is now a Pretty Pirate in Treasure Isle! Terri got a nice reward for being a great treasure hunter and wants to share some with you! Friday at 4:34pm via Treasure Isle · Get the bonusTerri Moulton Horman Terri just traded in the The Lost Adventuress treasures in Treasure Isle! Terri got a huge reward for their hard work and wants to share it with you! Friday at 4:34pm via Treasure Isle Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Peace on June 08, 2010, 07:37:37 PM I just learned that Facebook shows the time from the viewers time zone. I am incorrect in my assumptions.
Mods, would you please delete those posts. Sincere apologies. Important to know for the future in reviewing FB posts. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Wyks on June 08, 2010, 07:40:26 PM I want to be clear I am not making an accusation, just asking the same question I know LE has. Why is the 16 your old living with Gma and Gpa and neither parent, for the past few months? He is supposedly on a camping trip with Dad, for Boy Scouts, which btw, that should show you what I know, I never heard of a 16 year old boy scout. Was thinking about those same things as well, Blink. For the 16 yr old to be living with Gma and Gpa, it 'could' indicate probs at home. And if there were, how much could that have affected Kyron. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Itaryl Moosee on June 08, 2010, 07:43:55 PM Even if the times are off by one, two, or three hours... still... a child is missing, and there are more important things to take care off (like searching, or asking for the child's return) than playing an imaginary princess in an imaginary computer game.
I for one relax at the computer when worried, or upset... so I understand she going online to do the same... but, a child is missing. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Wyks on June 08, 2010, 07:49:20 PM It just seems odd to me that they would have kids and parents gather at the school, starting the very next morning IIRC, in order to ask them questions etc. While kids and parents gathered, the searching continued. Why would they have the kids and parents gather in the very same area that they were and/or had been searching?
Had the inside of the school been gone over by then, every square inch? Had the outside of the school already been scoured for every possible clue? If that had not all been done by early next morning, oh well, too late. <shakes head> IMO. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Wyks on June 08, 2010, 08:09:22 PM http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/kyron_horman_search_attracts_1.html June 7, 2010 <snip> Gates, the incident commander, said he was feeling closer to finding the boy "because we're getting leads that we're following up on." "We're also eliminating areas that Kyron is not," he said. Some tips have reached into Washington state, he said, without elaborating. At the same time, he expressed frustration that some people have called in nonsensical tips. "Since he did his science fair project on tree frogs," Gates said, "they'll call and say, 'He went to live with the tree frogs.' It wastes a lot of time." <snip> Investigators are holding tight to any clues or leads they might be pursuing. When asked about neighbors reporting a mysterious white pickup in the area, Gates said he didn't feel comfortable answering such questions. At the same time, he asked for additional witnesses to come forward if they have helpful information. Tips can be directed to 503-261-2847. "Any small tidbit that you might have," Gates said, "just might be the information that we need." ~~~~ IMO, they give conflicting statements about leads. It seems to me that they want leads, but just ones that they deem to be sensible. I do understand the concerns about leads that appear not to make sense. Some may not make seem to make sense at first glance, however I think they ought to be welcoming any and all tips/leads anyway. To make the statement that some are a waste of time, may make some who have a tip/lead not call it in, for fear that they would think it was just nonsense. Such as the example given of the lead about maybe he went to live with the tree frogs. They *could* try to put themselves into the mindset of a 7 yr old boy. Perhaps not adventurous in the past, that doesn't mean he doesn't have an imagination and maybe for the first time in his life decided to explore. There are woods outside the school. Maybe he went looking for a real tree frog, or wanted to climb a tree and act like one... getting himself lost in those woods. Who knows? But I wouldn't rule it out as nonsense. Think of the autistic girl who went exploring and got herself lost in the woods and swamps of FL. Found safe many days later. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Wyks on June 08, 2010, 08:11:03 PM typo: meant to say above..
Some may not seem to make sense Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Peace on June 08, 2010, 08:19:26 PM This she posts on FB, I wonder if investigators asked her who she knew from HS who lives in Eugene......
Terri Moulton Horman "If you attended RHS with me and are in Eugene, OR please let me know." She states news details are inaccurate, and will let people know soon about the inaccuracies. Terri has not been playing any games on FB since she was aware that Kyron disappeared. A note to the Horman family and friends: No one wishes any malice by reviewing the family and their actions. Many crimes are committed by family members. Usually the friends of those people who have committed crimes would have never believed they were capable fo such a crime. To eliminate family while investigating crimes would be simply unwise. We have the case of Melissa Huckaby, a Sunday school teacher and mother or a young child who sexually molested and tortured a young child to death. Recently, Debra Jeter, a mother, slit the throats of two of her own children. Personally, I am here to look at this crime from all angles for the victim. I do this on a daily basis and have seen so much that to be thinking first about the families feelings would be counter-productive in that there is always a possibility that the perp could be a family member. We are a collective effort and we share findings so as to assist in a cooperative manner. Please recognize we are not a support group, we are researchers, and no harm is intended. Our intention is to help find this child. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Wyks on June 08, 2010, 08:26:24 PM Peace ~
If Terri was not playing a game on FB after the 911 call, then please help me understand why it appears that she was. Confused. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Peace on June 08, 2010, 08:28:34 PM Wyks, It is because we are viewing the times in our own time zone, not Oregon's time zone.
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Wyks on June 08, 2010, 09:10:33 PM Thanks Peace!
Back to reading... Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: AmandaReckonwith on June 08, 2010, 09:11:43 PM Case archive album for Kyron Horman:
http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Kyron%20Horman%20%20-OR-/ Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: MuffyBee on June 08, 2010, 10:44:40 PM http://theportlander.com/2010/06/08/police-give-subtle-clues-in-kyron-horman-disappearance/
Police Give Subtle Clues in Kyron Horman Disappearance June 8, 2010 Tuesday marks the 5th day that Kyron Horman has been missing and the latest news has provided no new information to curious Oregonians praying for his return. But that doesn’t mean that police haven’t learned more and more every day and it certainly doesn’t mean they don’t know what might have happened to Kyron. The Multnomah County Sheriffs Office has held twice daily news breifings and have had few details for those listening. Reading between the lines, however, can tell us a lot. First, the principal of Skyline, speaking along the police, classified the search as a criminal investigation. This likely means they have ruled out the idea that Kyron walked away from the school on his own. Authorities know something that tells them Kyron was forced to leave Skyline Elementary. The FBI was called in very early on in the investigation. The have since posted an alert at FBI.gov to warn Americans that Kyron is in danger. The FBI has also brought in a profiler, along the lines of the popular TV show Criminal Minds. Not something you’d expect the FBI to do if they believed that Kyron was simply missing in the woods or taken by a family member. Additionally, it is well known that that Kyron’s step mother dropped him off at school at 8:30am on Friday. She has told police that the last time she saw the 7 year old is when she left at 8:45am. Now, police have communicated that someone saw Kyron at 9am but they refuse to say who, where at and what the circumstances where. The 9am event and mystery witness may hold the key to what happened to Kyron that fateful morning. Finally, in the Tuesday noon press briefing by the Multnomah County Sheriffs office, Cpt Jason Gates refused to answer key questions from reporters. These questions included “is there any indication that a stranger was inside Skyline Elementary on Friday morning” and “Are searchers now focusing on specific search areas now rather than all the area around Skyline Elementary?” His standard response was to say that he could not give out those details. Does this mean there are details to give out? So what have authorities learned over the past 5 days of investigation? It seems they have learned enough to eliminate the idea that Kyron left on his own, enough to focus on specific geographic areas in their search and enough to avoid questions about the presence of a stranger inside Skyline Elementary school on Friday morning, June 4th. This is good news in way, it means that law enforcement is doing their job and getting closer to finding Kyron. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Peace on June 08, 2010, 11:19:02 PM http://www.kgw.com/news/local/Criminal-profiler-analyzes-Kyron-case-95921749.html (http://www.kgw.com/news/local/Criminal-profiler-analyzes-Kyron-case-95921749.html) PORTLAND -- An expert criminal profiler talked to KGW about his theories on what happened to Kyron Horman. Dr. Ron Turco said something about this case does not add up. Turco does not believe that Kyron walked away with a stranger. He believes that the young boy was smart enough to know not to leave school with a stranger, so he must have left with someone he knew - possibly a family member or a family friend, or someone else that he trusted. Dr. Turco also theorized that if Kyron was kidnapped, it could have been by someone familiar who holds a vendetta against the Horman family. If he were on the case, Turco said that he would develop a friendship with the family and friends and a rapport with them so he could get more information in a very gentle way that could eventually lead to a clue in Kyron's disappearance. The Horman family seems like a very religious family. Maybe this is the vendetta? Yes, understanding the mind of a 2nd grader is important here. I believe that Kyron left w/ a family member or family 'friend'. He would likely ask permission from a teacher to leave the building, once inside for any other person. An abduction such as this took real inside knowledge. Anything could have gone wrong with some outsider planning this. How would they know the child's reactions so well? How would they know they would not be detected? How would they know the school would not call to confirm his absence? If the perp was inside the school building and someone saw Kyron talking to and walking with a person who was not his parent, they may be suspicious, or at least take notice so I don't believe that happened. That would be such a dumb move for a perp, and a sure-fire way of planning to getting caught. With the FBI getting on this case so quickly, I believe CARD has a very good idea of what happened. Does anyone know if any search was done in Wallowa County? Abducted from inside his school after the 2nd bell rang on his way to his classroom and just prior to attendence being taken? Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: newfie on June 09, 2010, 01:02:08 AM Thanks all for all of the info. and thanks Peace for clarifying things.
I am confused as to when roll call happened. The original story claimed at 8:45 the children would meet in their classrooms and be put into groups to tour the science fair until 10:00 a.m. I thought at that time the children would go back to class and resume regular classes until the talent show at 1:00. So at 10:00 a.m. roll call would occur. Why would a teacher think that if Kyron went to an appt. he would leave his coat and bookbag behind for the entire weekend. I am not blaming the teacher , I am just wondering about the the lack of thought process regarding this. If you said you were taking your child from school to an appt. why would you leave their coat and backpack behind, and isn't standard procedure signing your child out? I am wondering about the grouping as well. Who delegated the groups? Kyron could have been easily lured out by someone he trusted. Even precocious children tend to be submissive to someone asking for help. Kyron had friends, there were lots of people around. Someone had to have seen something. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Itaryl Moosee on June 09, 2010, 11:42:37 AM Good Morning America and a few other media say that today the "family" will release a statement. There is no mention of specific times, and whether the statement will be by the father and step-mother, or the father and bio-mother.
I've been thinking about the timeline, and wonder... if the step-mother didn't really walk him to the hallway near his classroom and lied about it... it would open a small set of possibilities. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Nut44x4 on June 09, 2010, 12:41:52 PM Search for missing second-grader enters 5th dayBy Gabriel Falcon, CNN
June 9, 2010 3:17 a.m. EDT The search for a missing 7-year-old Oregon boy is now in its fifth day. Police said they are not ready to call Kyron Horman's disappearance a criminal investigation yet, while the boy's parents have indicated they will release a statement to the public sometime Wednesday. "We're not prepared to call it a criminal investigation at this point," Captain Jason Gates of the Multnomah County Sheriff's Office told reporters Tuesday, "But we are certainly prepared to call it a missing endangered child investigation." He also narrowed the scope of the incident. "What I can tell you is that we have no reason to believe that this is anything other than an isolated case," Gates said. Kyron was reported missing by his stepmother Friday afternoon after he did not return home from school, authorities said. According to investigators, Kyron's stepmother said she last saw him Friday morning walking down a hallway towards his second-grade classroom at Skyline Elementary School. The school was holding a science fair at the time, officials said. "We can tell you that we have completed 99 percent of the interviews with the children at Skyline Elementary School," Gates said. "We've also completed the majority of interviews with the staff and parents at Skyline." The sheriff's office said no one at the school saw Kyron after 8:45 a.m. Friday and that Kyron never made it to his classroom. Authorities continue to pursue hundreds of tips, most of them from Oregon and Washington. "The leads that are being provided would not suggest that it would be a national search at this point," Gates said. "We don't have enough information to satisfy the criteria to complete an Amber Alert or issue an Amber Alert," Gates explained. "Amber Alerts are designed to find children very quickly when we have specific information." Anyone with information on Kyron Horman's whereabouts is asked to call the Multnomah County Sheriff's Office at 503-261-2847 http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/06/09/oregon.missing.boy/index.html?eref=rss_topstories&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+rss%2Fcnn_topstories+%28RSS%3A+Top+Stories%29 Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Itaryl Moosee on June 09, 2010, 02:34:16 PM Tanner Pumala, Kyron's classmate, said he last saw his friend at about the same time when Kyron told him he was headed to look at another student's science project.
"He walked by the hallway and I'm like, 'Hi, Kyron,' and he's like, 'Hi. I'm going to go see this cool one. It's electric.' I'm like, 'Alright, bye.' And that's the last time I saw him," Tanner said. "He never did make it back to class." As the search for Kyron enters its sixth day, Tanner said his friend's disappearance is all he can think about. "I'm feeling really sad. For the last five days, I haven't gotten much sleep," he said. "I'm hoping that my best friend will come back." http://www.kptv.com/news/23842774/detail.html Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: canadianmonkey on June 09, 2010, 03:51:53 PM My heart is breaking for this little boy. My son is the same age and I can just see him excited and heading off to see a friends science project.
A lot of things are rather disturbing about this case. Number one is the teacher that reported him absent, especially if his backpack and coat were left behind. HOW could the school not call home when a child is absent??? Why wasn't he with the group that was chaperoned with a parent? If his best friend talked to him and he was heading back to see an electric science project why wasn't he being chaperoned? I've volunteered to go on trips and things with our school. If another child is assigned to me I watch that child more then I do my own. So where was his parent supervisor? I'm praying he is found soon. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: canadianmonkey on June 09, 2010, 04:03:59 PM Kyron Horman's family says 'please don't stop' searching for missing boy
Published: Wednesday, June 09, 2010, 12:06 PM Updated: Wednesday, June 09, 2010, 12:33 PM Kate Mather, The Oregonian Kate Mather, The Oregonian The family of missing second-grader Kyron Horman implored the Portland metro community to keep looking for the 7-year-old boy who disappeared last week from his school: "Please don't stop." In a statement, the family urged people to search their property, their outbuildings, sheds, anything they can think of to help find the boy. They want to keep the focus on Kyron, said Capt. Mike Shults of the Multnomah County Sheriff's Office at a noon news conference. Meanwhile, investigators have activated a statewide search-and-rescue plan that will bring hundreds of searchers and teams to the area to help out, said Capt. Jason Gates of the Multnomah County Sheriff's Office. The crews will be on the ground here as early as tonight, but in force by Thursday, he said. He said he couldn't say how many people were searching today or where they were looking. Kyron Horman The Oregonian's continuing coverage of missing second-grader Kyron Horman. Kyron vanished at 9 a.m. Friday from Skyline School in Northwest Portland after he and his stepmother went to school early to tour a science fair where the boy had a project. His stepmother said she last saw him walking to his classroom before she left. One other person is believed to have seen Kyron at the school at 9 a.m. but authorities haven't said who or where. Gates adamantly denied that authorities had issued a search warrant for the Hormans' house in response to a question at a noon news conference. He declined to answer questions about whether there was any evidence turned over to a magistrate. -- Kate Mather http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/family_says_please_dont_stop_s.html Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: cartfly on June 09, 2010, 05:41:39 PM I came across this, maybe related maybe not but worth looking into. (Photo of perp at link, I can not post the photo for some reason???)
Arrest made after St. Helens child abduction attempt By KATU News Just before 11:30 a.m. Wednesday, the St. Helens Police Department reported it had made an arrest in the possible abduction case of a fifth-grade St. Helens student. Story Published: Jun 9, 2010 at 10:21 AM PDT Story Updated: Jun 9, 2010 at 1:05 PM PDT Arrest made after St. Helens child abduction attempt ST. HELENS, Ore. – Police in St. Helens, Ore., said Wednesday they are looking for a suspect in a possible child abduction attempt. This alleged abduction attempt comes as swarms of law enforcement personnel and search teams comb the outskirts of Portland for a second-grader missing since last Friday. St. Helens is located about 20 miles north of Portland along the Columbia River. In a press release, the St. Helens Police Department said a male fifth-grade student walking home from Lewis and Clark Grade School was approached and grabbed by an unknown male suspect on Tuesday, June 8. The student was reportedly grabbed from behind by the suspect, who had grabbed ahold of the boy’s backpack. The student was able to slip out of the backpack and run home. The incident took place as the student was walking eastbound on Columbia Boulevard in the area of 8th Street in St. Helens. The suspect was last seen walking in the area. An adult also witnessed the incident and described the suspect as white, 35 to 40 years old, heavyset, with a 3- to 4-inch long ponytail and a large forehead. He was wearing blue coveralls with dirt or grease on them. The alleged abduction attempt comes as swarms of law enforcement personnel and search teams comb the outskirts of Portland for a second-grader missing since last Friday. Police ask that anyone who observed the victim or suspect in the area at the time of the crime, or who may have any information as to the identity of the suspect to please call the St. Helens Police Department at (503) 397-3333 or (503) 397-1521. UPDATE: Just before 11:30 a.m. Wednesday, the St. Helens Police Department reported it had made an arrest in the possible abduction case of a fifth-grade student. A City of St. Helens Public Works Supervisor observed a man fitting the description provided above by law enforcement. The city supervisor then "coordinated with police to facilitate contact the individual," according to a press release distributed Wednesday afternoon by St. Helens Police. Police have now arrested 36-year-old Tony Phipps, a registered sex offender from St. Helens. He is being held under charges of harassment. http://www.katu.com/news/local/95973029.html (http://www.katu.com/news/local/95973029.html) Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Deenie on June 09, 2010, 06:20:52 PM I came across this, maybe related maybe not but worth looking into. (Photo of perp at link, I can not post the photo for some reason???) Cartfly Arrest made after St. Helens child abduction attempt By KATU News Just before 11:30 a.m. Wednesday, the St. Helens Police Department reported it had made an arrest in the possible abduction case of a fifth-grade St. Helens student. Story Published: Jun 9, 2010 at 10:21 AM PDT Story Updated: Jun 9, 2010 at 1:05 PM PDT Arrest made after St. Helens child abduction attempt ST. HELENS, Ore. – Police in St. Helens, Ore., said Wednesday they are looking for a suspect in a possible child abduction attempt. This alleged abduction attempt comes as swarms of law enforcement personnel and search teams comb the outskirts of Portland for a second-grader missing since last Friday. St. Helens is located about 20 miles north of Portland along the Columbia River. In a press release, the St. Helens Police Department said a male fifth-grade student walking home from Lewis and Clark Grade School was approached and grabbed by an unknown male suspect on Tuesday, June 8. The student was reportedly grabbed from behind by the suspect, who had grabbed ahold of the boy’s backpack. The student was able to slip out of the backpack and run home. The incident took place as the student was walking eastbound on Columbia Boulevard in the area of 8th Street in St. Helens. The suspect was last seen walking in the area. An adult also witnessed the incident and described the suspect as white, 35 to 40 years old, heavyset, with a 3- to 4-inch long ponytail and a large forehead. He was wearing blue coveralls with dirt or grease on them. The alleged abduction attempt comes as swarms of law enforcement personnel and search teams comb the outskirts of Portland for a second-grader missing since last Friday. Police ask that anyone who observed the victim or suspect in the area at the time of the crime, or who may have any information as to the identity of the suspect to please call the St. Helens Police Department at (503) 397-3333 or (503) 397-1521. UPDATE: Just before 11:30 a.m. Wednesday, the St. Helens Police Department reported it had made an arrest in the possible abduction case of a fifth-grade student. A City of St. Helens Public Works Supervisor observed a man fitting the description provided above by law enforcement. The city supervisor then "coordinated with police to facilitate contact the individual," according to a press release distributed Wednesday afternoon by St. Helens Police. Police have now arrested 36-year-old Tony Phipps, a registered sex offender from St. Helens. He is being held under charges of harassment. http://www.katu.com/news/local/95973029.html (http://www.katu.com/news/local/95973029.html) That is horrifying and I am so glad they arrested that Perp. Now all to do, is lock him up, and throw away the key. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: theboyzmom on June 09, 2010, 06:56:48 PM Wow - this is so horrible. No matter if this child is alive or not, he will be forever changed because some sick SOB was allowed to wander the streets.
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: cartfly on June 09, 2010, 07:23:25 PM My heart is breaking for this little boy. My son is the same age and I can just see him excited and heading off to see a friends science project. A lot of things are rather disturbing about this case. Number one is the teacher that reported him absent, especially if his backpack and coat were left behind. HOW could the school not call home when a child is absent??? Why wasn't he with the group that was chaperoned with a parent? If his best friend talked to him and he was heading back to see an electric science project why wasn't he being chaperoned? I've volunteered to go on trips and things with our school. If another child is assigned to me I watch that child more then I do my own. So where was his parent supervisor? I'm praying he is found soon. One of my sons is the same age too and I also can see him being so excited about seeing someone elses "cool" project. I have to believe also more than "one" child came into contact with Kyron that morning. My son is a little on the shy timid side but he and his classmates (especially the girls) can practically tell you everyone they saw that morning. Most kids at that age are pretty social with each other. This case is beyond frustrating. I am completely baffled and so scared for this little guy. I hate putting any doubt on the stepmoms story because her having anything to do with it sounds a little far fetched to me. But I am out of possible answers and some of her actions are questionable. The one thing that does concern me: I noticed on the bing maps and google maps, that between the school and a house with a large red barn there is an area in the trees (behind the school to the right) where it looks like there is a trail/small dirt road that goes up into the woods and then back down behind the property with the large red barn. However, the terrain looks steep all in that area and would think it would be difficult for anyone to manage it on foot. It also looks like quite a distance too from from the school. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: cartfly on June 09, 2010, 07:31:17 PM Help on the way from across Ore. for Kyron Horman search
by Teresa Blackman, David Krough & Frank Mungeam, KGW.com Staff Posted on June 4, 2010 at 11:37 PM Updated today at 4:20 PM PORTLAND, Ore. -- The "clock is ticking" on the search for 7-year-old Kyron Horman, as deputies said Wednesday afternoon teams from across the state were starting to help in the search, Klamath County Sheriff Tim Evinger said. Search and rescue teams from all 36 Oregon counties will join the search for the missing Portland boy, the lead investigator announced Wednesday. Capt. Jason Gates said he was implementing a statewide search & rescue plan which will utilize hundred of searchers from across the state. "We're closer to finding Kyron in that we're continuing the search," Gates said at a 4 p.m. news conference. Resources and teams were coming in Wednesday night to be headquartered at the Wapato Jail facility, yet the dedication of exhausted crews in the field continued as replacements arrived. "They don't want to stop," Multnomah County Sgt Diana Olson said. "They want to stay with this through the full search." Family statement released Also during the noon press conference, Lt. Mike Shults, the Multnomah County Sheriff’s Department liaison for the Horman family, read a statement on behalf of the family. “Kyron’s family would like to thank everyone for their support and interest in finding their son. The outpouring of support and continued effort strengthens their hope,” Shults said. “There are a lot of resources out there to help. Please don’t stop.” Shults added that the family has been in great pain since Kyron’s disappearance and said the reason why they have not granted interviews is because they want all the attention focused on solely on Kyron. Read: Entire family statement FBI mobile command center arrives Also Wednesday, the FBI added a mobile command center to the search effort Wednesday, with hopes that it will help coordinate the growing search effort. Meantime, the lead investigator said search crews were doing everything they could to stay focused and positive. "It's always frustrating when we're not finding anything, especially when we have such high hopes. But we're going to keep on until something happens," one searcher told KGW. Capt. Gates would not answer any questions specific to the investigation or the search on Wednesday, except to say that it was “logistically and emotionally overwhelming.” Gates reiterated the request for more tips from the public to aid the search effort. TIP LINE: (503) 261-2847 Earlier in the week, Capt. Gates said police had received more than 1,200 tips and were following up on hundreds of leads pouring into a special tipline. Those leads involved information being sent to state and federal law enforcement agencies from across Oregon and in parts of Washington. “Kyron, we’re going to get you home buddy,” Gates promised, his voice cracking and his eyes tearing up. "Nothing is more important to your family, your friends and to us." Video: Capt. Gates promises to find Kyron Boy missing since Friday Kyron Horman and his step-mother, Terri Moulton Horman, arrived at Skyline Elementary School around 8 a.m. Friday and attended a science fair at the school. Around 8:45 a.m. Terri said goodbye to Kyron and watched the second-grader walk down the hallway toward his classroom. Police say that the last time the boy was seen was about 9 a.m. Investigators have not revealed who saw Kyron last, or whether he attended his first class. Timeline: Search for Kyron Horman At 3:45 p.m., when the school bus arrived at Kyron's stop without him on board, his step-mom called the school. She was told he was marked "absent" by his teacher. She called 9-1-1 just before 4 p.m. and the search effort was launched. Portland schools sent an automated message to parents in the school district that the boy was missing. Meanwhile, police walked the school grounds with K-9 tracking teams, searched every room and closet inside the school and even checked the roof. FBI and police coordinating search effort The search quickly snowballed as word of the little boy’s disappearance spread among the small school’s community in Northwest Portland. Police said the search area was spread across 20 miles of roadway and two square miles of land. Officers also handed out fliers and questioned drivers and area residents Monday. By Monday, the search included 22 law enforcement agencies, according to Capt. Gates. Investigators were trying to interview all the families of some 300 Skyline students. Gates said parents had been very cooperative. Capt. Gates said 1,200 tips had been received by Monday, and characterized some as "viable leads", but pleaded with people to call with more tips. "Every tip, no matter how insignificant, is important to us," he said. Sheriff Dan Staton said late Sunday night that he was "not prepared" to call the boy's disappearance a kidnapping. He described Kyron as a "missing endangered child" because more than two days had elapsed since he disappeared and because search efforts were hampered by rainy weather. "We have developed a lot of information which has to be processed thoroughly, and I am not in a position to divulge any specifics of our investigative plan at this time," Staton said in a statement. Police indicated their search was not limited to the area around the school but they would not specify where else they were searching. An FBI profiler was studying everything from Kyron’s schoolwork to his friends, to try and determine where the little boy might be. Two local criminal experts told KGW that if Kyron was kidnapped, he believes all the clues point to someone who knew the boy, not a stranger. More: Criminal profilers analyze case Investigators on Sunday interviewed parents of other students at the school, trying to come up with even the smallest clues about what could have happened. The parents and Kyron’s fellow students came to the school voluntarily on a staggered basis to interview with detectives. Authorities were also reviewing photos and videos taken during the school's Friday morning science fair, where several people reported seeing Kyron. Kyron described as a "really good kid" Parent Gina Zimmerman said she last saw Kyron in the morning, when he posed in a classroom in front of his "red-eyed tree frog" science project. She said her daughter is one of Kyron’s best friends and she knew him well. Zimmerman said that Kyron was not the type of child to wander off. "He knows 'stranger danger," she said. "He's a really good kid." Parents were shocked at the disappearance, she said, and have been calling to share concerns at "our little school where everyone knows everybody." To try and quell those fears, security was increased at the school Monday. Counselors were also on hand to talk to distraught students and staff members. In addition, the district began mandating the use of an automated attendance call system to notify families of any unexcused absences. No Amber Alert issued Some parents wanted to know why an Amber Alert wasn’t issued. Sheriff Gates said that tool works only when citizens can be offered descriptions of specific suspects or vehicles, which was not the case in this situation. Parents were urged to talk to their children about stranger danger and explain what to do if they were in Kyron’s situation. Distraught family working with detective Meantime, Kyron’s family was doing the best they could to cooperate with police and talk with searchers under traumatic circumstances, Capt. Gates said. The birth mother came to Portland after her son was reported missing and all the parents have been in constant contact with detectives, he said. Anyone who has seen Kyron or knows of his whereabouts was asked to call (503) 261-2847. [url]http://www.kgw.com/news/Second-grade-student-missing-from-Skyline-Elementary-95670454.html/url] Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: cartfly on June 09, 2010, 07:50:13 PM Dads facebook: http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1512276158 (http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1512276158) StepMom's facebook: http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1512276158#!/terri.horman (http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1512276158#!/terri.horman) Well, well....Stepmom and Dad have locked their facebooks! You can only view her/his wall if you are friends. I guess stepmom doesn't like us scrutinizing why she is "going" to gym when her stepson is missing.....Also mom changed her name on her facebook to her husbands name and found enough time to post Kyron's missing poster on her profile. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: cartfly on June 09, 2010, 10:58:52 PM I am behind today posting updates but here is todays news conference:
http://www.koinlocal6.com/content/mediacenter/default.aspx?videoId=16736@koin.web.entriq.net&navCatId=156 (http://www.koinlocal6.com/content/mediacenter/default.aspx?videoId=16736@koin.web.entriq.net&navCatId=156) Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Wyks on June 09, 2010, 11:00:53 PM Dads facebook: http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1512276158 (http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1512276158) StepMom's facebook: http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1512276158#!/terri.horman (http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1512276158#!/terri.horman) Well, well....Stepmom and Dad have locked their facebooks! You can only view her/his wall if you are friends. I guess stepmom doesn't like us scrutinizing why she is "going" to gym when her stepson is missing.....Also mom changed her name on her facebook to her husbands name and found enough time to post Kyron's missing poster on her profile. Stepmom changed her FB to private as soon as it was realized by folks like us, that the "last pic" of Kyron (supposedly taken the morning he went missing, June 4).. was actually posted to her FB on June 2. Guess she didn't want a deluge of folks running in there to check that out once they heard. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tracygirl on June 09, 2010, 11:08:26 PM I can totally see a child that age saying he was going back to the classroom and doing so, only to find no one there and then leaving to set off to look at other projects.
I can't get out of my minds eye, and I am not saying I am psychic at all because i am not, but I can just imagine someone pulling him into an open classroom or utility closet, tying him up and taking him out in a box or something. No one would even know. Far fetched? Who knows for sure what happened. I really just don't think the step mom had anything to do with it. Nothing really points to her. But again, who knows I guess. I still say I am more suspicious of the real mom giving she didn't have custody but I dont' think she took him either. What happened with the man who was driving and said he saw a little kid in a red truck that looked like Kyron? That is an interesting tip and something I hope LE is taking seriously. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: cartfly on June 09, 2010, 11:13:56 PM Dads facebook: http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1512276158 (http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1512276158) StepMom's facebook: http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1512276158#!/terri.horman (http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1512276158#!/terri.horman) I looked at the facebook and the times she wans on but completely overlooked that the picture was posted on June 2! Wow..... I think I need an aspirin or a 5 hour power now, this case has my so confused my head hurts, LOL. I do find it interesting that LE is talking in riddles and having two news conferences a day but doesn't give up any information about Kyron. Either they know something or they are as confused as I am.... Well, well....Stepmom and Dad have locked their facebooks! You can only view her/his wall if you are friends. I guess stepmom doesn't like us scrutinizing why she is "going" to gym when her stepson is missing.....Also mom changed her name on her facebook to her husbands name and found enough time to post Kyron's missing poster on her profile. Stepmom changed her FB to private as soon as it was realized by folks like us, that the "last pic" of Kyron (supposedly taken the morning he went missing, June 4).. was actually posted to her FB on June 2. Guess she didn't want a deluge of folks running in there to check that out once they heard. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Itaryl Moosee on June 09, 2010, 11:15:16 PM Recapping today's events...
Two press conferences, no big announcements given. The family was supposed to address the media, no luck there. A statement read by Capt. Shultz which the newspapers quoted as: "Kyron's family would like to thank everyone for their support and interest in finding their son. The outpouring of support and continued efforts strengthens their hope.We need for folks to continue to assist us in our goal. Please search your property, your cars, your outbuildings, your sheds. Also check with your neighbors and friends who may be on vacation or may need assistance to search their property. There are a lot of resources out there to help. Please don't stop." Let's guess that the message was not written by the Hormans and was improvised by the captain. http://www.katu.com/news/local/95985679.html Searchers from across the state will gather for a more thorough search. No volunteers wanted. http://www.kgw.com/news/Second-grade-student-missing-from-Skyline-Elementary-95670454.html Intriguing questions were asked during the conferences, including whether the family had taken polygraphs, and if search warrants were requested to search the family home, etc... All those questions were answered with "I can't discuss that", or "I am not in liberty to elaborate", etc... The FBI brought in a mobile command center. The searchers need food and water and are requesting that of the community. Sports drinks and granola bars are needed too. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: cartfly on June 09, 2010, 11:17:10 PM Dads facebook: http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1512276158 (http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1512276158) StepMom's facebook: http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1512276158#!/terri.horman (http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1512276158#!/terri.horman) I looked at the facebook and the times she wans on but completely overlooked that the picture was posted on June 2! Wow..... I think I need an aspirin or a 5 hour power now, this case has my so confused my head hurts, LOL. I do find it interesting that LE is talking in riddles and having two news conferences a day but doesn't give up any information about Kyron. Either they know something or they are as confused as I am.... Well, well....Stepmom and Dad have locked their facebooks! You can only view her/his wall if you are friends. I guess stepmom doesn't like us scrutinizing why she is "going" to gym when her stepson is missing.....Also mom changed her name on her facebook to her husbands name and found enough time to post Kyron's missing poster on her profile. Stepmom changed her FB to private as soon as it was realized by folks like us, that the "last pic" of Kyron (supposedly taken the morning he went missing, June 4).. was actually posted to her FB on June 2. Guess she didn't want a deluge of folks running in there to check that out once they heard. I will try this again: I looked at the facebook and the times she wans on but completely overlooked that the picture was posted on June 2! Wow..... I think I need an aspirin or a 5 hour power now, this case has my so confused my head hurts, LOL. I do find it interesting that LE is talking in riddles and having two news conferences a day but doesn't give up any information about Kyron. Either they know something or they are as confused as I am.... Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: cartfly on June 09, 2010, 11:28:04 PM Recapping today's events... Thanks Itaryl. I am still catching up on today.Two press conferences, no big announcements given. The family was supposed to address the media, no luck there. A statement read by Capt. Shultz which the newspapers quoted as: "Kyron's family would like to thank everyone for their support and interest in finding their son. The outpouring of support and continued efforts strengthens their hope.We need for folks to continue to assist us in our goal. Please search your property, your cars, your outbuildings, your sheds. Also check with your neighbors and friends who may be on vacation or may need assistance to search their property. There are a lot of resources out there to help. Please don't stop." Let's guess that the message was not written by the Hormans and was improvised by the captain. http://www.katu.com/news/local/95985679.html Searchers from across the state will gather for a more thorough search. No volunteers wanted. http://www.kgw.com/news/Second-grade-student-missing-from-Skyline-Elementary-95670454.html Intriguing questions were asked during the conferences, including whether the family had taken polygraphs, and if search warrants were requested to search the family home, etc... All those questions were answered with "I can't discuss that", or "I am not in liberty to elaborate", etc... The FBI brought in a mobile command center. The searchers need food and water and are requesting that of the community. Sports drinks and granola bars are needed too. Tracy- I think anything is possible. That is a great possibility. Someone could have rendered Kyron unconscious and with everything going on that day it could have gone unnoticed. My gut feeling is someone who worked within the school like a custodian or maybe a resource type person like a speech therapist that might be assigned to the school on certain days. I am completely baffled. I am on the fence about stepmom but only because of the post about going to the gym on her facebook. But then again maybe that was her way of dealing with the stress. It isn't the way I would deal with it if I was in her situation. I do think there is a reason the parents aren't speaking out. It has to be that LE does not want them to speak. But Why? Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tamikosmom on June 09, 2010, 11:44:23 PM Kyron Horman's family says 'please don't stop' searching for missing boy Published: Wednesday, June 09, 2010, 12:06 PM Updated: Wednesday, June 09, 2010, 12:33 PM Kate Mather, The Oregonian Kate Mather, The Oregonian The family of missing second-grader Kyron Horman implored the Portland metro community to keep looking for the 7-year-old boy who disappeared last week from his school: "Please don't stop." In a statement, the family urged people to search their property, their outbuildings, sheds, anything they can think of to help find the boy. They want to keep the focus on Kyron, said Capt. Mike Shults of the Multnomah County Sheriff's Office at a noon news conference. Meanwhile, investigators have activated a statewide search-and-rescue plan that will bring hundreds of searchers and teams to the area to help out, said Capt. Jason Gates of the Multnomah County Sheriff's Office. The crews will be on the ground here as early as tonight, but in force by Thursday, he said. He said he couldn't say how many people were searching today or where they were looking. Kyron Horman The Oregonian's continuing coverage of missing second-grader Kyron Horman. Kyron vanished at 9 a.m. Friday from Skyline School in Northwest Portland after he and his stepmother went to school early to tour a science fair where the boy had a project. His stepmother said she last saw him walking to his classroom before she left. One other person is believed to have seen Kyron at the school at 9 a.m. but authorities haven't said who or where. Gates adamantly denied that authorities had issued a search warrant for the Hormans' house in response to a question at a noon news conference. He declined to answer questions about whether there was any evidence turned over to a magistrate.[/b] -- Kate Mather http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/family_says_please_dont_stop_s.html In the process of elimination ... at the getgo there should have been a search warrant issue for the Hormans' house. The investigation should have started there and branched outward. Janet Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Itaryl Moosee on June 09, 2010, 11:53:27 PM Agreed.
In a case of a missing child, there should've been thorough searches of the house, computers, grounds, etc... with or without search warrants. Polygraphs also should've been requested, even if there was no indication of foul play and the boy just wandered off. That should be part of their SOPs. Why is he denying it, or answering as if that was so off? Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Starlit on June 10, 2010, 12:29:42 AM At my childs school, when we are on campus we have to wear visitor tags on our shirts. I am just wondering if Kyron's school had the same type of policy and there might have been someone walking around the school not wearing a visitor tag, meaning they didnt belong there. Just a thought.
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Deenie on June 10, 2010, 02:10:58 AM At my childs school, when we are on campus we have to wear visitor tags on our shirts. I am just wondering if Kyron's school had the same type of policy and there might have been someone walking around the school not wearing a visitor tag, meaning they didnt belong there. Just a thought. Starlit that is a thought. This was not a huge Elementary School. Was a tiny school in a open rural area. I keep thinking of when my Daughter was Kyron's age -when there were school events. There were always Teachers/School Volunteers or even Parents - at every door .. from the beginning of the Event or even after the event started. That all doors were basically " manned" - with a table and ppl - Greeters and or passing out papers for the event held. I don't understand how Kryon could just go Poof within his School - or at the hands of a stranger within his school. Its mind boggling and I am sure the fear is like wildfire within the elementary students of Kyron's school - and surrounding schools alike. I hate to bring this up - But the first image that came to my mind when I saw Kryon's photo - was Ethan Stacy - the little boy who was brutally murdered by his non-custodial Mother and step dad. They do look so similar - Kyron and Ethan. I am praying for Ethan and Kyron - I hope that Kyron is found Soon and he is Safe. Justice for Ethan and Kryon's safe return. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Starlit on June 10, 2010, 03:22:10 AM a post from Mellisa Baum mother of missing Daughter Lindsey Baum sends note to Kyrons parents on facebook
Michelle Bart Subject: Please forward to Kyron's family My name is Melissa Baum and my daughter Lindsey Baum was abducted from McCleary, WA on June 26, 2009. I know there is absolutely nothing that I can say or do to take away the heartache and pure anguish you are feeling, so I won't insult you with an attempt to do so. I will only say how truly sorry I am... See More that you have been forced to join a club that shouldn't even exist. It's a club of heartbroken and forever changed parents whose children have been stolen away from them. Although, nothing anyone can say short of "We found him, he's alive and safe" can possibly comfort you; I found for myself that it does help in some way to know, speak to or meet others who have or are going through the same ordeal. I think because they are the only ones on earth that could possible know or understand what you are going though. I am praying that Kyron just wondered off somewhere and will be found safely, and don't let ANYONE tell you that isn't likely or spit "statistics" at you. Whether that is what has happened or not, never give up hope, and determination to find your son. I have found through all of this that my faith is strong, it has been tested daily just getting out of bed but it is there and what has kept me going. Without it, I don't think I would still be here typing the email to you now. I am told that Ted and Tom from the FBI CARD Team have already been there; that is great! They are good guys and have been working hard on Lindsey's case as well. I am sorry that I have not contacted you sooner, but I have been out of town since June 1st. I will be returning this Saturday evening, and can be there in 2 hours if you need me. Please feel free to call me anytime day or night. I don't know how you are handling the sleep thing, but I still find it nearly impossible to "sleep" most nights. They are the most difficult for me to get through. I really do mean call me anytime! My cell phone is xxx-xxx-xxxx, I have it with me all the time, feel free to text as well. My thoughts are prayers are with you and Kyron. We have been passing on the text and facebook post to spread his face and information around and myself along with my friends that we call Core are at your service for anything you need. Melissa Baum www.findlindseybaum.com link: http://www.facebook.com/posted.php?id=125336750831264&share_id=100326500020280&comments=1#!/posted.php?id=125336750831264&share_id=128875993808629&comments=1#s128875993808629 Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tracygirl on June 10, 2010, 03:40:44 AM Aww that was very nice of Melissa Baum to write to the parents. My heart goes out to her and to this family as well. Prayes that both families find their missing children.
My guess would be that LE knows more then what they are saying at this point. I think they want to parents to stay off the air waves for a reason we will someday know. As for the facebook thing, I don't know, is facebook always right about times and dates of postings? For all we know that was also done for a reason. I am withholding judgement on them until something more conclusive is brought forward. You know it would make it a lot easier if the school had camera's, then we could see who left alone and who didn't. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: cookie on June 10, 2010, 07:28:53 AM Tracy...cameras in schools would be a great idea! at the very least in the hallways..but in each classroom to keep an eye on what is going on in each room would be great...protection for students as well as teachers...
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: theboyzmom on June 10, 2010, 07:35:33 AM At my childs school, when we are on campus we have to wear visitor tags on our shirts. I am just wondering if Kyron's school had the same type of policy and there might have been someone walking around the school not wearing a visitor tag, meaning they didnt belong there. Just a thought. Starlit that is a thought. This was not a huge Elementary School. Was a tiny school in a open rural area. I keep thinking of when my Daughter was Kyron's age -when there were school events. There were always Teachers/School Volunteers or even Parents - at every door .. from the beginning of the Event or even after the event started. That all doors were basically " manned" - with a table and ppl - Greeters and or passing out papers for the event held. I don't understand how Kryon could just go Poof within his School - or at the hands of a stranger within his school. Its mind boggling and I am sure the fear is like wildfire within the elementary students of Kyron's school - and surrounding schools alike. I hate to bring this up - But the first image that came to my mind when I saw Kryon's photo - was Ethan Stacy - the little boy who was brutally murdered by his non-custodial Mother and step dad. They do look so similar - Kyron and Ethan. I am praying for Ethan and Kyron - I hope that Kyron is found Soon and he is Safe. Justice for Ethan and Kryon's safe return. My kids attend a small rural school and we do have visitor badges. But they are not enforced. All of the parents and family know or are related to each other. If there is someone that the teachers do not know or some other staff, family does not know, we are brazen enough to find out who they are. I think that this was someone that could blend in and not be noticed. I get a hinky feeling about the step mom - too many little things out of place. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: theboyzmom on June 10, 2010, 07:37:15 AM Tracy...cameras in schools would be a great idea! at the very least in the hallways..but in each classroom to keep an eye on what is going on in each room would be great...protection for students as well as teachers... Even as a small school, we have camaras in all the halls, and the class rooms - I also agree that not only is it valuable in a case like this, it is valuable to help teachers protect themselves. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: pamomma on June 10, 2010, 09:00:27 AM In regards to the Visitors Badges...I believe some where a few pages back in this thread it is mentioned that visitors badges are usually employed by the school, with Visitors signing in to get them, but since the Science Fair was that morning, so many visitors were at the school that there weren't enough badges so they didn't use any. I think at the least they should have made every visitor sign in...but it doesn't look as though they did. I guess hindsight is 20/20 though.
I can completely understand why the parents have either been told not to go on TV, or why they have chosen not to. Once they give an interview, every media outlet and sleuth will be completely focused on them, did they act right (as if there is a "right" was to act when your child is missing), did they cry enough, did they cry too much, what about the tone of their voice...and on and on and on. That takes the focus off Kyron and searching for him. Just look at the way we are criticizing their Facebook posts, an interview would be 100 times worse. I also think the police know something we don't...and it seems as though they have reason to believe that the parents were not involved, as they have stated multiple times that they are fully cooperating and seem to be in constant contact with them. I'm not saying for 100% that the parents aren't involved, I'm just saying I can understand their desire to stay out of the media, and the police seem to have moved on from them as suspects. I'm just hoping they find this little guy soon. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: pamomma on June 10, 2010, 09:20:55 AM Here is an article and snip-it about the badges:
"Visitors to the school are assigned badges, but Portland Public School District spokesman Matt Shelby said it would have been difficult to assign a badge to each visitor among the friends and family members who attended a science fair Friday morning." http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-20007021-504083.html Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Peace on June 10, 2010, 09:27:10 AM It is a bit frustrating to us to have so few details, but I do trust CARD knows exactly what they are doing in this case. I am so thankful they got on this so quickly. They obviously know so much more than we, and if they deem anything suspect, they will do the right thing and investigate thoroughly. Nothing we can do really but wait. If they had a suspect they needed help in apprehending, they would ask the public, but it obviously isn't in the child's best interest to necessarily announce things to the public. CARD has their 'hinky meters' too and all the resources to do something about that. Prayers for Kyron's safe return.
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Itaryl Moosee on June 10, 2010, 10:09:35 AM Though this may seem cold and insensitive, I gotta write it down.
I was watching CBS Early Show this morning, and the Kyron case came on. Without naming names, two officials from Portland sat for the interview. With each question asked, one of the officials started to talk about the great efforts they are putting in, the numbers of people they are bringing... all the tactical garbage that sometimes flows from military and law enforcement people's mouth when they want to impress those who hear them. Maggie Rodriguez was doing the interview, and it seems she recognized that. So, each time one of the guys came up with the "macho" response, she would rephrase the question and steer them with a stern voice, so the two officials (one or the other) would answer what was really asked. This went on the whole interview, and Maggie had the two guys blinking really hard at the end, she cut their mumble jumble each time. At the end, one could tell, they finished the interview and they looked glad it was over. What the whole thing looked like was LE attempting to grandstand with all the work and massive force they are putting into the case, and relegating the missing child to a back burner. Reminded me of the Billings murders, the sheriff did a great job (well, his men did) and he wanted to make sure everyone knew about it. I live in the area where the Billings murders occurred, and months before one could find the sheriff in 30 minutes infomercials begging for votes. Anyway, I hope these people in charge of finding Kyron care more about finding the child than by looking spiffy and mighty on national television. True, these people may never in their lifetimes have such exposure to the national media, but hopefully they will not forget what is the focus here - finding a missing child. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: cartfly on June 10, 2010, 10:28:31 AM Though this may seem cold and insensitive, I gotta write it down. Hi Itaryl- I do not find your thoughts cold or insensitive at all. I completely agree. There is a child missing, find this beautiful boy first, then boast later about all the resources, money and time you put in. JMO, of course but I don't think this is the time for BS ego stroking. I also think they should have asked for more help from the other counties on day 2, not day 6!!!I was watching CBS Early Show this morning, and the Kyron case came on. Without naming names, two officials from Portland sat for the interview. With each question asked, one of the officials started to talk about the great efforts they are putting in, the numbers of people they are bringing... all the tactical garbage that sometimes flows from military and law enforcement people's mouth when they want to impress those who hear them. Maggie Rodriguez was doing the interview, and it seems she recognized that. So, each time one of the guys came up with the "macho" response, she would rephrase the question and steer them with a stern voice, so the two officials (one or the other) would answer what was really asked. This went on the whole interview, and Maggie had the two guys blinking really hard at the end, she cut their mumble jumble each time. At the end, one could tell, they finished the interview and they looked glad it was over. What the whole thing looked like was LE attempting to grandstand with all the work and massive force they are putting into the case, and relegating the missing child to a back burner. Reminded me of the Billings murders, the sheriff did a great job (well, his men did) and he wanted to make sure everyone knew about it. I live in the area where the Billings murders occurred, and months before one could find the sheriff in 30 minutes infomercials begging for votes. Anyway, I hope these people in charge of finding Kyron care more about finding the child than by looking spiffy and mighty on national television. True, these people may never in their lifetimes have such exposure to the national media, but hopefully they will not forget what is the focus here - finding a missing child. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: cartfly on June 10, 2010, 10:49:13 AM Horman's desk mate says substitute noticed him missing Reported by: Kohr Harlan Email: kharlan@koin.com Last Update: 7:23 am Eight-year-old Tanner Pumala says the first person to notice Kyron Horman was missing was a substitute teacher who was taking a head count as the second and third grade class was re-assembling after visiting other classrooms for a science fair at Skyline School last Friday. "And she was like 'oh no where's Kyron there's only five' and Mrs. Porter was like it's okay calm down, calm down he's probably in the bathroom or getting a drink of water and she said alright I'm going to leave and she left, " says Tanner Pumala. Tanner is Kyron's deskmate in their combined second-third grade classroom. Tanner says Kyron was in school for at least an hour Friday morning and that he saw Kyron's step-mother leave the school without Kyron. F-B-I agents interviewed Pumala, and Multnomah County Sheriff Dan Staton visited with Pumala Wednesday afternoon according to Pumala's grandmother Wendy Fuhrur. Upon hearing the substitute teacher noticing that Kyron was not present in the classroom, Pumala says the regular teacher said Kyron had probably gone to get a drink of water or to use the bathroom. It wasn't until the bus ride home from school, says Pumala that he noticed Kyron was not on the bus. Kyron's step-mother notified school authorities of her son's not being on the bus at around 3:45pm Friday afternoon. Pumala's grandmother says F-B-I agents and Multnomah County investigators have asked Pumala and his grandmother not to speak with the media, for reasons they did not divulge. Fuhrur says she decided to allow her grandson talk, in part to keep the missing boy in the public eye. Separately several dozen more ground searchers arrived in Portland Wednesday night to intensify their ground search Thursday. http://www.koinlocal6.com/content/news/topstories/story/Hormans-desk-mate-says-substitute-noticed-him/TVY3YTREG0SyCP3tb3MkZg.cspx (http://www.koinlocal6.com/content/news/topstories/story/Hormans-desk-mate-says-substitute-noticed-him/TVY3YTREG0SyCP3tb3MkZg.cspx) Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Gizzie on June 10, 2010, 11:51:12 AM http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/search_for_kyron_horman_to_exp.html
Search for Kyron Horman to expand today; Multnomah County sheriff says boy's family has 'fully cooperated' Published: Thursday, June 10, 2010, 6:25 AM Updated: Thursday, June 10, 2010, 8:15 AM The Multnomah County sheriff said searchers have covered "every piece of ground" within a 21/2-mile radius of Skyline School, where 7-year-old Kyron Horman was last seen, and plan to go over that area again starting today. A renewed search effort -- this one involving certified search and rescue volunteers from across Oregon -- beings this morning. On the "Today" show this morning, Sheriff Dan Staton told Matt Lauer that today's effort is intended to build on the initial search and cover areas already looked at by trained searchers. He said authorities have made "door-to-door checks with every residence in this area. We have been folllowing up on every lead that comes in." Lauer noted that "more and more people are starting to talk about the fact that this family has decided not to step into the spotlight" -- a contrast with other parents of missing children who have spoken publicly. On Wednesday, a sheriff's official read a statement written by the family, asking the public to continue looking for the boy. Lauer asked if Kyron's parents are "fully cooperating." Staton said the family has cooperated "in every effort." "They have been consoling each other. We are respecting that." Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Gizzie on June 10, 2010, 11:52:42 AM http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-20007322-504083.html
June 10, 2010 10:37 AM Kyron Horman's Family: "Please Search Your Properties, Please Don't Stop" (http://i.i.com.com/cnwk.1d/i/tim//2010/06/10/kyron_horman46_370x278_370x278.jpg) PORTLAND, Ore. (CBS/KOIN) The family of missing 7-year-old Kyron Horman has reached out to the public in their first statement since the boy disappeared on Friday The statement thanks the community for its support and help in attempting to find the second grader, and asks that people continue looking for the boy. "We need," the statement reads, "for folks to continue to assist us in our goal. Please search your properties - cars, out buildings, sheds, etc. There are a lot of resources here to help you search, so please don't stop." The message ends by saying that the family's goal is "to keep the focus on Kyron and not about anything else." The second grader was last seen Friday morning after visiting a science fair event at his school, Skyline Elementary in Portland, Ore. Kyron's stepmother, Terri Moulton Horman took him around the school to look at science projects, and left him at around 8:45 a.m. She last saw Kyron apparently walking toward his classroom. When Kyron did not return home from school, his father and stepmother called the school, and learned that Kyron had not been in class all day. The FBI has added a mobile command unit to help with the search, which has reached its sixth day. Sgt. Jason Gates of the Multnomah County Sheriff's Office told CBS affiliate KOIN Wednesday that the "tips have been incredibly helpful," and they continue to pour in. "We haven't found him and cannot comment on the last 48 hours of our investigation," Gates added. According to KOIN, Gates would not comment on much else, including information on anyone who had taken a polygraph test. Kyron is 3 feet, 8 inches tall. He weighs about 50 pounds. He was wearing orange and black cargo pants, white socks, worn black Skecher tennis shoes with orange trim and a T-shirt with the "CSI" logo. Anyone with information on Kyron's whereabouts is urged to call the Multhnomah County Sheriff's Office tip line at (503)-261-2847. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Gizzie on June 10, 2010, 11:54:46 AM (http://i.i.com.com/cnwk.1d/i/tim//2010/06/07/kyron_horman55_540x405.jpg)
(http://i.i.com.com/cnwk.1d/i/tim//2010/06/07/kyron_horman04_540x405.jpg) (http://i.i.com.com/cnwk.1d/i/tim//2010/06/07/kyron_horman09_540x404.jpg) Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: canadianmonkey on June 10, 2010, 12:31:27 PM Sheriff: Kyron "Endangered" Missing Child
Searchers Ramp Up Efforts to Find Boy Missing For Week in Oregon After He Arrived Safely at School Erica Hill talks to Portland authorities about the search for 7-year-old Kyron Horman. * In this undated photo provided by the Multnomah County Sheriff's Office, Kyron Horman is seen. The FBI has joined an expanding search for Horman, a 7-year-old Oregon boy who vanished after his stepmother left him at his Portland elementary school on Friday morning. * Stories * FBI Joins Search for Missing Oregon Boy (CBS) The mystery continues in Oregon. How did a 7-year-old boy disappear after arriving safely at school? It's been nearly a week since Kyron Horman vanished from his elementary school. "Early Show" National Correspondent Hattie Kauffman reported Thursday morning hundreds of experts will join forces with investigators from 22 agencies in a desperate search. But officials admit the clock is ticking. Pictures: Kyron Horman Missing Police Capt. Jason Gates, of Multnomah County Sheriff's Office, said, "We are moving forward under the premise that we are looking for a living Kyron Horman and that's their focus." FBI agents have stopped cars, others searched the rugged, densely covered hillsides around the school. Kyron's stepmother says she snapped a picture of him at the school science fair Friday, and then left him in the building. He never made it to his first class. He was reported missing seven hours later when he wasn't on the school bus. His parents are talking to police, but not the press. Wednesday they said through a spokesperson that they want to keep the focus on their son. Capt. Mike Shults, the family's spokesperson, told reporters, "I stand here in front of you today because I carry the burden of sadness and pain they're experiencing." Investigators have questioned 90 percent of the students who attend this school -- and their parents -- to see if any of them saw Kyron on Friday. Tanner Pumala, a student at Kyron's school, said, "I'm feeling really sad, and I am hoping that Kyron my best friend will come back." Jinnet Powell, a parent, said, "This is something that you never want to happen to anyone." Sheriff Dan Staton of Multnomah County and Sheriff Tim Evinger of Klamath County appeared on "The Early Show" Thursday from Portland, Ore., to discuss their search. Staton said investigators are classifying Kyron an "endangered missing child." "We cannot put specifics on this," he said. "We have to look at every possibility." However, he said the longer the search goes on, "the greater dangers and risks there are for the child." Staton said the search has expanded to include 532 people on the ground. He said searchers from the FBI, the community and county agencies, will start at "Ground Zero" -- where Kyron was last seen -- and work out from there. Staton said this next, ramped-up phase of the search also includes canine and air support. He added searchers will be expanding the operation further out from where they'd been focusing. Staton said in the past seven days, police have also covered every home in the area where Kyron went missing. He confirmed interviews have been conducted with many families and children that go to the school with Kyron. http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/06/10/earlyshow/main6567797.shtml Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: SuzieQ on June 10, 2010, 01:21:10 PM Agreed. In a case of a missing child, there should've been thorough searches of the house, computers, grounds, etc... with or without search warrants. Polygraphs also should've been requested, even if there was no indication of foul play and the boy just wandered off. That should be part of their SOPs. Why is he denying it, or answering as if that was so off? You don't need a search warrent if the home owner gives their permission for a search which is what I think happened here. I don't know why, but I have the feeling that Kyron never left the school building. I wish they would do another search there. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: pamomma on June 10, 2010, 01:22:27 PM Horman's desk mate says substitute noticed him missing Reported by: Kohr Harlan Email: kharlan@koin.com Last Update: 7:23 am Eight-year-old Tanner Pumala says the first person to notice Kyron Horman was missing was a substitute teacher who was taking a head count as the second and third grade class was re-assembling after visiting other classrooms for a science fair at Skyline School last Friday. "And she was like 'oh no where's Kyron there's only five' and Mrs. Porter was like it's okay calm down, calm down he's probably in the bathroom or getting a drink of water and she said alright I'm going to leave and she left, " says Tanner Pumala. Tanner is Kyron's deskmate in their combined second-third grade classroom. Tanner says Kyron was in school for at least an hour Friday morning and that he saw Kyron's step-mother leave the school without Kyron. F-B-I agents interviewed Pumala, and Multnomah County Sheriff Dan Staton visited with Pumala Wednesday afternoon according to Pumala's grandmother Wendy Fuhrur. Upon hearing the substitute teacher noticing that Kyron was not present in the classroom, Pumala says the regular teacher said Kyron had probably gone to get a drink of water or to use the bathroom. It wasn't until the bus ride home from school, says Pumala that he noticed Kyron was not on the bus. Kyron's step-mother notified school authorities of her son's not being on the bus at around 3:45pm Friday afternoon. Pumala's grandmother says F-B-I agents and Multnomah County investigators have asked Pumala and his grandmother not to speak with the media, for reasons they did not divulge. Fuhrur says she decided to allow her grandson talk, in part to keep the missing boy in the public eye. Separately several dozen more ground searchers arrived in Portland Wednesday night to intensify their ground search Thursday. http://www.koinlocal6.com/content/news/topstories/story/Hormans-desk-mate-says-substitute-noticed-him/TVY3YTREG0SyCP3tb3MkZg.cspx (http://www.koinlocal6.com/content/news/topstories/story/Hormans-desk-mate-says-substitute-noticed-him/TVY3YTREG0SyCP3tb3MkZg.cspx) so "Mrs. Porter was like it's okay calm down, calm down he's probably in the bathroom or getting a drink of water and she said alright I'm going to leave and she left, " says Tanner Pumala." and then never sees him again all day long and doesn't thingk that is odd? ...how long does she think he's in the batroom or getting a drink....I must be missing something here....this doesn't even make sense! Also, didn't I read somewhere a few pages back that the teacher thought Kyron was at an appointment (which was actually next week)? If that's the case, then why would she say "he's probaby in the bathroom or getting a drink"?? As I said, I must be missing something, because this isn't making sense to me. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: canadianmonkey on June 10, 2010, 01:47:46 PM Horman's desk mate says substitute noticed him missing Reported by: Kohr Harlan Email: kharlan@koin.com Last Update: 7:23 am Eight-year-old Tanner Pumala says the first person to notice Kyron Horman was missing was a substitute teacher who was taking a head count as the second and third grade class was re-assembling after visiting other classrooms for a science fair at Skyline School last Friday. "And she was like 'oh no where's Kyron there's only five' and Mrs. Porter was like it's okay calm down, calm down he's probably in the bathroom or getting a drink of water and she said alright I'm going to leave and she left, " says Tanner Pumala. Tanner is Kyron's deskmate in their combined second-third grade classroom. Tanner says Kyron was in school for at least an hour Friday morning and that he saw Kyron's step-mother leave the school without Kyron. F-B-I agents interviewed Pumala, and Multnomah County Sheriff Dan Staton visited with Pumala Wednesday afternoon according to Pumala's grandmother Wendy Fuhrur. Upon hearing the substitute teacher noticing that Kyron was not present in the classroom, Pumala says the regular teacher said Kyron had probably gone to get a drink of water or to use the bathroom. It wasn't until the bus ride home from school, says Pumala that he noticed Kyron was not on the bus. Kyron's step-mother notified school authorities of her son's not being on the bus at around 3:45pm Friday afternoon. Pumala's grandmother says F-B-I agents and Multnomah County investigators have asked Pumala and his grandmother not to speak with the media, for reasons they did not divulge. Fuhrur says she decided to allow her grandson talk, in part to keep the missing boy in the public eye. Separately several dozen more ground searchers arrived in Portland Wednesday night to intensify their ground search Thursday. http://www.koinlocal6.com/content/news/topstories/story/Hormans-desk-mate-says-substitute-noticed-him/TVY3YTREG0SyCP3tb3MkZg.cspx (http://www.koinlocal6.com/content/news/topstories/story/Hormans-desk-mate-says-substitute-noticed-him/TVY3YTREG0SyCP3tb3MkZg.cspx) so "Mrs. Porter was like it's okay calm down, calm down he's probably in the bathroom or getting a drink of water and she said alright I'm going to leave and she left, " says Tanner Pumala." and then never sees him again all day long and doesn't thingk that is odd? ...how long does she think he's in the batroom or getting a drink....I must be missing something here....this doesn't even make sense! Also, didn't I read somewhere a few pages back that the teacher thought Kyron was at an appointment (which was actually next week)? If that's the case, then why would she say "he's probaby in the bathroom or getting a drink"?? As I said, I must be missing something, because this isn't making sense to me. pamomma.... I'm in total agreement with you! My question is who left? The regular teacher or the supply teacher? Did she leave for the day? WHY wasn't she concerned and why didn't anyone check? I know when my 7 year old goes to the bathroom at school they have to have a hall pass. Plus ALL of his friends know where he is at all times so it seems. If I come to pick him up early there is always 5 kids shouting at me where he can be located. Kids talk...they always know when one of them has an appointment or something is up. i have to believe the police know ALOT more then they are saying. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Wyks on June 10, 2010, 01:48:37 PM I so agree with those of you who think 'something ain't right' about this case.
From the time the news was first reported, LE has said they started looking outside the school and all around, even checked the roof. Then said they expanded their search from there. And want folks in the area to search their property, incl sheds etc. I still haven't read where they've said they searched every inch on the 'inside' of that school. Unless I've missed it (and if so, plz point it out someone), LE and everyone else from the school so far has not mentioned seaching inside. Why not? That was supposedly 'the last place' Kyron was seen........ inside. Why not at the very least mention that they searched very carefully in there? Am not trying to be some conspiracy nut, yet gosh, seems the more time that goes on without it being mentioned, the more it piques my curiousity! Why their silence on it? Or is it supposed to be 'just a given' that the public would know that they searched every square inch inside? And what about the pond that isn't too far away? Has LE dragged that pond, or have intentions to do so? A couple of other things that caught my attention: ~ LE has said in the news that they consider this an 'isolated case'. Ahhh. Seems they know something they not saying then, otherwise, how would they know it's isolated? Why try to calm down a frightened public unless they had info they consider valid, that lets em know no other children are in danger of the same? ~ Why is LE so busy telling us what all they've done, what others are doing etc. And the school is busy telling us as little details as possible, yet just enuff to make us think they were and are on top of things? (Such as Kyron was seen 'later in the morning'. Ok, what time, by who, where? And that 'his teacher marked him absent'. Ok, what time?) I realize some of these details are now coming out, but why not before when they knew em? Just seems like many have been and/are more concerned about covering their asses. There's more that I'm concerned about, but will hold onto that for now so it doesn't ruffle more feathers. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: canadianmonkey on June 10, 2010, 01:51:28 PM Oregon Missing Boy Mystery: Day 6
June 9, 2010 - 12:27 PM | by: Claudia Cowan Day 6, and still no trace of 7-year old Kyron Horman. Troubling questions remain: How could he vanish from his elementary school, and be reported as absent, even after his teacher and others had seen him? Were there strangers milling around the big school science fair that day? What are the major leads in this case? Investigators may know the answers, but are telling reporters very little. The FBI has released this new photograph showing the little boy in a funny hat as part of a smart strategy to keep his face, and the on-going search for him, in the media spotlight. Investigators say they’re focusing on specific areas in the city of Portland, though they're not saying where or why, and they're making a point of not calling this a criminal investigation, because there's still no evidence to indicate a crime has been committed. A former FBI profiler tells me all of this suggests investigators have reason to believe Kyron is still in the area, and they’re working to eliminate the local leads before widening their search. Some criminal experts following the case speculate the cops may have someone under surveillance. What is known is that state and rescue teams from all 36 counties in Oregon are arriving in Portland tonight, and the FBI Mobile Command Post is on scene--clear indications the case is expanding. Officially, authorities say the search is still focused on the woodsy, half-mile radius around Skyline Elementary School, where Kyron was last seen Friday morning. We have yet to see the family face the press, but today they issued a statement thanking everyone for their support, and encouraging residents to check and recheck their property for any sign of Kyron. The statement was read by a sheriff’s deputy who has been with the family non-stop since Friday night, though officials say none of Kyron's relatives is considered a suspect. His parents got divorced in 2003, right around the time he was born. His mom lives in Medford, about 275 miles away, and according to relatives, sees her son on a regular basis. She's in Portland now, and the family is reportedly cooperating with investigators. Until they get some answers, many parents at Kyron’s school aren’t taking any chances. Even though police and school officials are telling families they don't need to take extra precautions, that's exactly what many are doing: there have been twice the usual number of absences this week. People are scared, and they're keeping their kids close. http://liveshots.blogs.foxnews.com/2010/06/09/oregon-missing-boy-mystery-day-6/?test=latestnews Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Wyks on June 10, 2010, 02:13:51 PM About the news report upthread reporting Kyron's lil friend Tanner noticing he wasn't there....... Am glad that Tanner's gma decided to go ahead and let this news out. She says 'in part' to get Kyron's face out there etc. Am thinking also to get the truth out there. Seems this is something the school didn't want known for now. That it was known by at least 10a that Kyron wasn't where he was supposed to be, and the alarm wasn't raised. Yes I understand that one teacher was told about an appt etc.... still and all, even knowing that, Kyron "should have" been marked absent and the office alerted that his jacket was still there. It was rainy outside, from what the news makes it sound like. Even if he supposedly had an appt, he would have needed his jacket. Teacher said maybe he went to the bathroom or getting a drink. She 'should have' IMO gone right then to check!! Or sent the substitute. How many teachers were in his classroom anyway?
<banging head on keyboard> Kyron was failed by many that day. IMO. It's no freaking wonder they didn't want this news to get out. Sigh. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: pamomma on June 10, 2010, 03:32:09 PM Totally agree Wyks! It is pretty obvious why they didn't want this out in the press...it does NOT cast the school in a very good light.
I also want to say, that I realize this is a small school...but so is our town. We have a k-6 and a 7-12, about 300-400 kids in each school, so about the same size as this one. And that is NO excuse to "drop the ball" the way this school seems to have done. As Canadianmonkey said, our kids don't leave the room without signing out and getting a hall pass...if the school was THAT small, then how long could it have taken to go check the bathroom for little Kyron??!! It seems the school tries to use the excuse of it's small size as an excuse for the poor communication and tracking of students, and that just isn't an acceptable excuse to me. **also banging head off the keyboard!** My "hinkey-meter" is starting to take aim...(i'm adopting that phrase b/c I really like!) Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: canadianmonkey on June 10, 2010, 03:35:54 PM I'm curious...they have said the parents and children have been interviewed by the police. Has anyone heard about the teachers being interviewed?
Did Kyron's teacher get interviewed? Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tracygirl on June 10, 2010, 03:40:36 PM There are federal safety guidelines and laws all schools are supposed to adopt to keep them safe while at school. One is, the school is 100% responsible for the students from the time they enter either the school or bus until the time they are either delivered via bus or picked up by parents. There is no reason what so ever a child goes missing in a school.
The teacher who allegedly said he was in the bathroom is also the teacher who would have marked him absent I would guess. Never is a child assumed to have gone to an appointment without being signed out. We are not supposed to run our schools on assumptions. Something happened inside that school and I think the investigators know this. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: canadianmonkey on June 10, 2010, 04:02:43 PM There are federal safety guidelines and laws all schools are supposed to adopt to keep them safe while at school. One is, the school is 100% responsible for the students from the time they enter either the school or bus until the time they are either delivered via bus or picked up by parents. There is no reason what so ever a child goes missing in a school. The teacher who allegedly said he was in the bathroom is also the teacher who would have marked him absent I would guess. Never is a child assumed to have gone to an appointment without being signed out. We are not supposed to run our schools on assumptions. Something happened inside that school and I think the investigators know this. I agree. I'm glad that Kyron's seat mate said he had seen Kyron's Mom leave by herself. I think something happened IN the school. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: theboyzmom on June 10, 2010, 04:26:36 PM There are federal safety guidelines and laws all schools are supposed to adopt to keep them safe while at school. One is, the school is 100% responsible for the students from the time they enter either the school or bus until the time they are either delivered via bus or picked up by parents. There is no reason what so ever a child goes missing in a school. The teacher who allegedly said he was in the bathroom is also the teacher who would have marked him absent I would guess. Never is a child assumed to have gone to an appointment without being signed out. We are not supposed to run our schools on assumptions. Something happened inside that school and I think the investigators know this. I hate to say it but I agree - something happened in the school and LE knows what it might be. I hope they are just not saying anything until they catch the person and hope that by sneaking up on that person Kyron may still be alive when they find him. I agree that schools are 100% responsible for the kids during school - we are a small school - 2 buildings - and I have much the same reaction that some others have - all the kids know where the other kids are and what is going on. Most recognize me if not by name then as soandso's mom. I agree. I'm glad that Kyron's seat mate said he had seen Kyron's Mom leave by herself. I think something happened IN the school. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: canadianmonkey on June 10, 2010, 04:54:09 PM Kyron Horman: The view from across the street
Published: Thursday, June 10, 2010, 7:00 AM Updated: Wednesday, June 09, 2010, 11:12 AM Guest Columnist Guest Columnist Follow Share this story Story tools By Cindy Banks After I got home from work last Friday, there was a knock on the door. My first thought was "pizza night!" But it wasn't a neighbor. It was two police officers and the principal from across the street. 5 1 0Share "We are missing a little guy," they said. Have you seen anything?" We searched the building. Nothing. Later that night, the news vans started to arrive. My neighbors are devastated. This area is very much like a small town, even as close as it is to Portland. There is something about living here that melts the indifference toward others. We read the comments in the media that point fingers at some imagined lack of attention to safety, and we are stunned. We don't live in fear. We know our neighbors. We know the school, and we look out for each other. I've only lived here for a few years, but when my dog got sick, neighbors showed up every single day at 6 a.m. and 6 p.m. to help me move him. When my mother died, flowers and food appeared on my counters from people I've never met. We live in a society that is poisoned by blame and fear. A situation like this calls for compassion, support and action – not eviscerating a competent staff at a wonderful school. A reporter from The Oregonian complained to me that she couldn't get any of the parents to talk to her. The sadness is overwhelming, and no one wants to interfere with the investigation. But everyone that I have talked to in my neighborhood is furious and hurt at the unfair comments that are being made about the school. So I convinced a very shy neighbor to grant an interview. The agreement was that the story would talk about what it was like to be a parent at Skyline. She gave an hour interview about the extraordinary and caring staff, how it feels as safe as her living room, how the principal knows every child by name. She gave examples of how they are safety conscious. When the story was published, the paper primarily used a comment about which exits are supervised or unsupervised. That's the other reason why people aren't talking very much. Another neighbor stopped by last night to talk. She can't sleep. There are those of us who don't have kids -- we are the ones who call them "ankle biters" and make the milk carton jokes -- and yet she can't sleep. She wakes up feeling sick about a little boy she doesn't even know. Every day I see the officers working the case. They are deeply caring, exhausted, sad. But they still show up every day. Some of them are there without pay. They answer even the rudest questions with patience. They comfort people. They offer their phone numbers. The search-and-rescue people slog through mud, brave the rain and the blackberry thorns, climb steep ravines. People from the press talk about their own kids and bite their lips. Every day I drive up my street and see the white satellite towers above my roofline and think about what that means. And I wish that I could come around the corner and see them being lowered and everyone relieved. We are extremely lucky to live in a place where people stay up all night because one of us is lost. Cindy Banks lives in Northwest Portland. http://www.oregonlive.com/opinion/index.ssf/2010/06/kyron_horman_the_view_from_acr.html Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Heart on June 10, 2010, 05:28:35 PM Kyron photo album appears on YouTube
http://www.kgw.com/news/local/Kyron-photo-album-appears-on-Youtube-96076584.html Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Heart on June 10, 2010, 05:30:12 PM Helicopter and horses join search for Oregon boy
By NIGEL DUARA (AP) – 47 minutes ago PORTLAND, Ore. — A National Guard helicopter and searchers on horses joined about 125 volunteers on Thursday slogging through the rain-soaked brush and steep woods around a Portland school where a 7-year-old boy vanished nearly a week ago. Authorities reported no results in their search and investigation into the disappearance of second-grader Kyron Horman from the Skyline Elementary School. He has been missing since Friday. Sgt. Diana Olsen, search and rescue coordinator for the Multnomah County Sheriff's Office, said the searchers were checking an area within a two-mile radius of the school, an expansion from their previous efforts of a half-mile of intense ground searches. Olsen said the searchers are "still going full ahead," though the constant rain and colder temperatures were taking a toll. "They're wearing out, their numbers are dropping," Olsen said at a press conference on Thursday. The certified volunteers will be assisted by search teams from around the state, who authorities called for on Wednesday under the allowances of a 2007 law that sets standards for search and rescue efforts. The additional search and rescue teams came just in time, Olsen said. The certified volunteers mostly hold full-time jobs and had to take vacation days to participate in the search. "Those resources were dying out," Olsen said. The teams from across the state will check back roads and powerline clearings, comb some areas for a second time and explore new areas at the margin of the search area. Kyron disappeared after a science fair he attended with his stepmother, who said she last saw him as he walked down a hallway toward his second-grade classroom wearing a "CSI" T-shirt and dark cargo pants. Authorities said the last reported sighting of Kyron was at about 9 a.m., but they have refused to say who made that sighting. The search began after the boy did not come home on the school bus and his stepmother called 911 at about 3:45 p.m. Capt. Jason Gates of the sheriff's office said he wouldn't describe Thursday's efforts as a "last push" but indicated earlier in the week that he hoped to scale back the operation at the end of the week. "I'm not going to put a time when we're going to scale down," Gates said. "The longer it goes, the more critical it becomes." The state law that guides search and rescue operations was passed in 2007 after authorities were criticized for the way they conducted the search for James Kim. The Californian disappeared in Southern Oregon in 2006 and was ultimately found dead of exposure. An ensuing review of the search by the Oregon State Sheriffs' Association concluded that the effort was marked by crossed signals and several people trying to take charge of the search. The concerns led to legislation streamlining communications among search and rescue units. Gates said Thursday that the law did not include a timeline for when other search and rescue teams should be called in, saying that decision is "case-specific." http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5j9b2LUBiZZfn4HkSTtQZpweYzk3AD9G8KPS80 Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tamikosmom on June 10, 2010, 05:36:21 PM Kyron's home and property must to be searched; father and stepmother must be polygraphed and ... school must be searched ... everywhere. Kyron could have met his demise within the school walls and ... was hidden.
Think about Annie Le. Janet ++++ Clues point to inside job in Yale killing Sept . 14, 2009 NEW HAVEN, Conn. - Clues increasingly pointed to an inside job Monday in the slaying of a Yale graduate student whose body was found stuffed inside a wall five days after she vanished from a heavily secured lab building accessible only to university employees. .... http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32810822/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/ Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Heart on June 10, 2010, 05:53:19 PM Kyron Horman: Timeline of events since boy's disappearance
Published: Thursday, June 10, 2010, 1:10 PM Updated: Thursday, June 10, 2010, 2:36 PM The Oregonian The Oregonian Kyron Horman went missing Friday, June 4. The following is a timeline of events. The Oregonian's reporters and editors will adjust this account over time to add and adjust information. Searchers have declined to provide some details of the investigation, including when school officials marked Kyron Horman absent on June 4. Here's a basic look at what happened on the day the second-grader disappeared from Skyline School and the following days: Friday, June 4 8 a.m. Skyline Elementary, 11536 N.W. Skyline Blvd., opens early so students and parents can tour the science fair. A billboard outside reads: "June 4, I.B. Inquiry Expo, 8-10, Talent show, 1-2:45." Kyron was to take part in both the expo/science fair and the talent show. Terri Moulton Horman arrives shortly afterward with her stepson, Kyron. 8:15 a.m. Gina Zimmerman, president of the school PTA, arrives and sees Kyron with his stepmother in front of his exhibit. 8:45 a.m. Terri Horman leaves after watching Kyron walk toward his classroom after touring the science fair. 9 a.m. Someone reports seeing Kyron at the school, but investigators won't say who or where. It's the last time anyone remembers seeing the boy. 10 a.m. Classes begin. At some point, Kyron's homeroom teacher, Kristina Porter, reports him absent. 1:21 p.m. Terri Horman posts photos of Kyron at the science fair on her Facebook page. 3:30 p.m. Terri Horman goes to meet the school bus and discovers that Kyron has been absent all day. She calls 9-1-1. 3:45 p.m. Search begins. 5:30 p.m. Rapid broadcast message from Portland Public Schools goes out to alert families of a missing student. The message: "Kyron Hormon did not arrive at home today." It was broadcast to the phones of parents across the school district. 7 p.m. Multnomah County sheriff's Detective Sergeant Lee Gosson alerts Sgt. Travis Gullberg, the county's on-call coordinator for search-and-rescue efforts, to the need to begin a formal missing persons search for Kyron. Later, the FBI's Child Abduction Rapid Deployment team is dispatched. 8:15 p.m. The Oregonian receives an e-mailed photo of Kyron from Multnomah County Sheriff's Office spokeswoman Lt. Mary Lindstrand, provided by Skyline School secretary Sharon Hall. Saturday, June 5 5 a.m. Pacific Northwest Search and Rescue receives a call from Multnomah County. When they arrived on site, there were already teams on the ground. They've had about 60 to 70 people involved in the search. 9:08 a.m. The Associated Press receives its first notification that Kyron Hormon is missing, via an e-mail with the subject line: SHERIFF'S OFFICE CONTINUES SEARCH FOR 7 YEAR OLD KYRON HORMAN Helpfindmychild.net, a UK-based missing child site creates a page for Kyron. A tip line is created: 503-261-2847. Noon: During a news conference, a sheriff's spokesman says the search for Kyron is still a missing-person case and not a criminal investigation. The Portland Public School district uses its rapid broadcast system to alert staff and parents of Skyline School students on hand Friday to come to the K-8 on Sunday for debriefings by police and federal agents. The oldest students are advised to arrive at 10 a.m.; kindergartners and first-graders are to arrive with parents later in the day. 4 and 8 p.m.: Authorities hold two news conferences and announce that the FBI and the National Guard have joined the effort. Search-and-rescue crews complete an "immediate grid search" around the school. 10:23 p.m. Facebook page created for supporters of Kyron and his family. Sunday, June 6 8.58 a.m. Terri Moulton Horman posts on Facebook to say she has ordered missing-person fliers: "I ordered 1000 fliers, they will be coming to our house. I will let people know when they are here and we can go from there. Thank you everyone." The FBI announces that they have brought in a Quantico, Va.-based profiler to create a profile of the boy. 9:48 a.m. The first of 300 students and their parents return to Skyline School to be interviewed by detectives. Fifty detectives are on-hand for interviews that continue until 4 p.m. 12:10 p.m. Relatives begin distributing missing person fliers with a photo of Kyron and this description: 3-feet, 8-inches tall, 50 pounds, blue eyes, brown hair. Last seen wearing black cargo pants, white socks and worn black Skechers tennis shoes with orange trim. 1:29 p.m. Neighbors stop by Brooks Hill Historic church, across the street from the school, to mull over the investigation. "This kind of thing is unheard of," says Jim Kelley, 50. 3:30 p.m. Carole Smith, superintendent of Portland Public Schools, appears at a news conference and outlines a series of immediate steps the district was taking to address security concerns in the wake of the second-grader's disappearance. 9 p.m. The Multnomah County sheriff escalates Kyron's disappearance to a missing endangered child case, but does not call it a kidnapping. Monday, June 7 Early a.m. Eighteen certified search-and-rescue volunteers resume sweeping the area near the school as deputies canvass the neighborhood, handing out fliers and jotting down license plate numbers of passing vehicles along Northwest Skyline Boulevard. 8:30 a.m. The school district staffs a counseling hot line at 503-916-3931 to answer questions or offer help districtwide. 8:45 a.m. Classes resume at Skyline School. Counselors are on hand. Evening: Kelly Ramirez, the sister of Kyron's birth mother, Desiree Horman, issues a statement thanking the community on behalf of the family for their concern and support. Tuesday, June 8 Search and rescue crews resume search, checking locations identified by phone tips and investigative leads. Noon: Authorities offer briefing. They do not accept questions. 9:25 p.m. A Facebook support group for Kyron, Missing Kyron Horman, announces the creation of a reward fund. "We are now working on a paypal acct which will directly take your donations to the "Kyron Horman Fund" at Chase Bank. It will take Paypal a day or so to verify the acct and become active. If you prefer to wait until that time we will then place a donation button on the main homepage we have provided. We will keep you informed as to when that will be. It is our hope that this reward fund will prompt someone with the information police need to return Kyron home. I am sure the outpouring of well wishes, prayers and love sent by all of you is helping Kyron's family through this very difficult time." Wednesday, June 9 Morning Terri Moulton Horman makes her Facebook wall private. 11 a.m. FBI spokeswoman Beth Anne Steele says the Hormon family "is not speaking to the media because they do not believe it's in the best interest of finding Kyron." Noon At news briefing, Multnomah County Sheriff's Capt. Mike Shults reads a statement from Kyron Horman's immediate family: "Kyron's family would like to thank people for support and interest in finding their son. The outpouring of support and continued effort strengthens their hope. We need for folks to continue to assist us in our goal. Please search your properties -- cars, out buildings, sheds, etc. Also check with neighbors and friends who may be on vacation or may need in assistance in searching. There are a lot of resources here to help you search, so please don't stop. It is obviously a difficult time and they want to speak to the public so you can hear it from Kyron's family as they come together to share their message. Their objective is to keep the focus on Kyron and not about anything else." 9:45 p.m. Portland Mountain Rescue received a call from Multnomah County Sheriff's Office to join the search. Thursday, June 10 11:30 a.m. A Facebook support group for Kyron, Missing Kyron Horman, announces an update to the creation of a reward fund. You may now make a secure donation to the Kyron Horman Fund via paypal. To do so visit his ChildSeek Network homepage. http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/kyron_horman_chronology_of_eve.html Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: MuffyBee on June 10, 2010, 06:20:05 PM http://www.momlogic.com/2010/06/kyron_horman_why_havent_the_parents_spoken_out_yet.php
(Video) Kyron Horman: Why Haven't the Parents Spoken Out? June 10, 2010 We can't stop thinking about missing second grader Kyron Horman. He's been missing for seven days. But why haven't his parents spoken out yet? Kyron's parents have not gone on camera to make a public plea for their son. C. W. Jensen, a retired Portland, Ore., police detective, said that's not unheard of -- but it's not the norm, either. "Generally, parents in cases like this are incredibly distraught," he told KATU. "They're almost just dysfunctional." Kyron's stepmom has gotten criticism for posting trivial messages on Facebook (such as, "Hitting the gym tomorrow") since her stepson has gone missing. She also reportedly was playing Treasure Island on Facebook at 5:34 PM Friday -- just TWO HOURS after she reported Kyron missing. She didn't change her profile pic to one of Kyron for six whole days -- even though her husband and countless friends and concerned strangers all did. Can you even IMAGINE being on Facebook if your child was missing? It's unfathomable. Jensen said that the stepmom's Facebook activity -- especially the stuff about "hitting the gym" -- is unusual. "What I know from being an investigator and dealing with parents in tragic situations like this -- homicides, kidnappings, stuff like that -- they just really couldn't much function other than to sit and wait for us to call," he told KATU. What's wrong with this picture? Do you think that Kyron's stepmom had something to do with his disappearance? Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: MuffyBee on June 10, 2010, 06:23:26 PM http://www.kptv.com/news/23862169/detail.html
TriMet Buses Shuttle Crews In Kyron Search June 10, 2010 PORTLAND, Ore. -- TriMet provided shuttle buses to help transport searchers who turned out by the dozen Thursday to look for 7-year-old Kyron Horman. Multnomah County authorities said Kyron was last seen on the morning of June 4 at Skyline School. His stepmother called the school later that afternoon when Kyron did not get off the bus at his stop, deputies said. The school then contacted authorities, who have been searching for the second-grader ever since. Capt. Jason Gates of Multnomah County said every county in Oregon has been called upon to contribute to the search. So far, 18 counties have committed resources to scour the area surrounding Skyline School. TriMet spokeswoman Mary Fetsch said the search commanders asked for TriMet to lend a hand. She said TriMet bus drivers were eager to help for as long as the search crews need transportation. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: MuffyBee on June 10, 2010, 06:25:06 PM http://news.opb.org/article/7559-search-missing-portland-7-year-old-widens/
Search For Missing Portland 7-Year-Old Widens June 10, 2010 National Guard helicopters and searchers on horses have joined about 500 volunteers looking for Kyron Horman. Kyron Horman The seven-year-old disappeared seven days ago and authorities still don't know whether he wandered away from school or was taken. The search area has been expanded to two miles around Skyline Elementary. Sean Richards is with a team from Klamath County. It's relieving other crews. Sean Richards: 'It's an honor for us to be here to back them up. We've got new boots to put on the ground and hopefully we'll bring him home." The teams are checking everywhere from back roads, to powerline clearings. Some areas are being searched for a second time. About 18 counties from around the state are now helping. The search crews are housed at the Wapato Jail site. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tracygirl on June 10, 2010, 06:33:21 PM I think it is important to understand the families of missing children do not own the public a statement nor do they have to ever talk to the media if they wish not to. Perhaps the investigators are asking them to not speak to the press as they did supposedly with the student who said the step mom left without Kyron.
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: New Monkey on June 10, 2010, 07:20:10 PM While I agree that every family handles crisis differently, there are definitely patterns or behaviors considered "normal" and this family is not exhibiting those.
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Starlit on June 10, 2010, 08:11:19 PM I'm not speculating the step-mom but one would think if there is a talent show she would want to be there to watch and not go home to play on facebook IMO
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: cookie on June 10, 2010, 08:14:29 PM I'm not speculating the step-mom but one would think if there is a talent show she would want to be there to watch and not go home to play on facebook IMO agreed..I have no feelings one way or the other of what happened to this little boy..but I would be at the talent show too...not on fb if my kid was in a talent show... this case is really odd...something is just not adding up, but I find that in a lot of these cases of missing children..sigh... Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: SuzieQ on June 10, 2010, 10:04:28 PM I'm not speculating the step-mom but one would think if there is a talent show she would want to be there to watch and not go home to play on facebook IMO agreed..I have no feelings one way or the other of what happened to this little boy..but I would be at the talent show too...not on fb if my kid was in a talent show... this case is really odd...something is just not adding up, but I find that in a lot of these cases of missing children..sigh... Just some what ifs. What if the talent show was just for the school that afternoon and one for the parents, grandparents, etc that night or a later night. I know they do that a lot here. I can't remember the step-mothers exact words about going to the gym the next day. I thought she said she was going to the gym not hitting the gym. What if she meant the school gym? What better place to stage for the search and rescue. Just like someone here found out that facebook listed times is your time, not necessarly in the poster times. So she wasn't playing games after Kyron went missing. Again I would really like to know how well they have searched the school and I mean every nook and cranny? It seemed like the school went on as usual, so how could they search that well? Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Starlit on June 10, 2010, 10:59:08 PM theres something I would like to add into the timeline. The Step mom called the school then the police.
I thought it was important to clear that up because to call 911 right away before calling the school sounded suspicious. Copied and pasted from the article dated Sunday, June 06, 2010, 7:54 AM http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/details_emerge_about_the_day_k.html REGARDING WHEN KYRON'S STEP MOM DISCOVERED HE WAS NOT ON THE BUS But the bus driver told her he wasn't there. Panicked, she ran home and called the school to discover that he had been marked absent for the day. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: cartfly on June 10, 2010, 11:07:57 PM snipped by me>
Though officials declined to comment on specific locations the teams would search, crews from Jackson, Tillamook, Klamath, Clackamas and Washington counties and Pacific Northwest Search and Rescue could be seen setting up a base camp at about 7:30 a.m. today on NNorthwest Quarry Road, less than one mile southeast of the school. [/i] Kyron Horman search re-energized by new army of rescuers Published: Thursday, June 10, 2010, 2:26 PM Updated: Thursday, June 10, 2010, 6:06 PM The Oregonian The hunt for Kyron Horman received new energy on this gloomy morning as search and rescue teams from across Oregon descended upon the northwest corner of Multnomah County to help find the missing 7-year-old boy. Teams were out early this morning, after spending the night in the mothballed Wapato Jail, to begin scouring the area surrounding Skyline School, where Kyron was last seen Friday about 9 a.m. Though officials declined to comment Wednesday on specific locations the teams would search, crews from Jackson, Tillamook, Klamath, Clackamas and Washington counties and Pacific Northwest Search and Rescue could be seen setting up a base camp at about 7:30 a.m. today on Northwest Quarry Road, less than one mile southeast of the school. By midmorning, more than a dozen searchers clad in bright orange and yellow hats had descended upon the area surrounding the Horman home a few miles from the school. They searched the thick brush and trees along the main road leading to the house as well as the family's property.struggle. Searchers in a steep ravine near Kyron Horman's home off Cornelius Pass Road help a fellow searcher who had trouble climbing back up today. The group sent out a notice, asking people to bring food for the kitchen. Several canine unit vehicles were also seen heading to the area. Wednesday, Multnomah County officials said horseback units, as well as aircraft, would also be used in today's search. The amplified search efforts come as a result of Multnomah County Sheriff Dan Staton's request for help from the 35 other sheriffs in Oregon, activating a state-wide search and rescue plan. An Oregon law that took effect in 2008 outlined a set of procedures to better coordinate such large scale efforts from multiple agencies. "We've reached that phase where we need to expand the search farther out," Staton said at a press conference Wednesday. Meanwhile, residents of this tightly knit neighborhood were making plans to set up a kitchen to feed searchers starting tonight at the Skyline Grange, 11275 N.W. Skyline Blvd. Portland, OR 97231. "You can start bringing this food right away to Brooks Hill Historic Church residence entrance on Brooks Road (11539 N.W. Skyline Blvd.) If no one comes to the door, it's ok to leave it outside the door." Additionally, the Oregon Trail Chapter of the American Red Cross is providing support, starting this afternoon. The chapter will send a mobile kitchen and and emergency respose vehicle along with volunteers to serve hot drinks and soup to an estimated 350 workers. The chapter expects to support the operation with beverages through the weekend. Sgt. Diana Olsen, the Multnomah County Sheriff's search & rescue coordinator, called today's renewed effort "a surge," which fit with the image of the caravans of searchers arriving at the quarry in a steady stream. Deputies in fatigues directed traffic in the quarry's wide parking lot as the rescuers prepared to search new areas and go back over areas already searched in an ever-widening arc around the school. The sheriff's office said searchers have covered "every piece of ground" within a 2 1/2-mile radius around Skyline School but the plan is to go back over the area with even more care. While the school is near Portland, it's is surrounded by hilly terrain, much of it covered by tall grass alternating with pockets of forests. The search has steadily been gaining the attention of the national media. On the "Today" show this morning, Sheriff Staton told Matt Lauer that today's effort is intended to build on the initial search and cover areas already looked at by trained searchers. He said authorities have made "door-to-door checks with every residence in this area. "We have been following up on every lead that comes in. Lauer noted that "more and more people are starting to talk about the fact that this family has decided not to step into the spotlight" -- a contrast with other parents of missing children who have spoken publicly. On Wednesday, a sheriff's official read a statement written by the family, asking the public to continue looking for the boy. Lauer asked if Kyron's parents are "fully cooperating." Staton said the family has cooperated "in every effort." "They have been consoling each other. We are respecting that." -- Noelle Crombie, Kate Mather and Stuart Tomlinson http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/kyron_horman_search_re-energiz.html (http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/kyron_horman_search_re-energiz.html) Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Starlit on June 10, 2010, 11:26:16 PM Former detective: Parents’ silence not unheard of but not the norm PORTLAND, Ore. - A retired Portland police detective said Wednesday the silence the parents of 7-year-old Kyron Horman have maintained after his disappearance isn’t unheard of but it’s not the norm either. Several KATU viewers have asked the station why Horman’s parents have been so silent. Nikki wrote on the station’s Facebook page: “I find it odd that the family has kept so quiet. If I had one of my children missing, I would be out there looking for him and asking for him and asking for his return.” CW Jensen was with the Portland Police Bureau for 20 years and said statements from families don’t really help investigators, but they help the community that’s emotionally invested in a child’s disappearance. “They want to somehow understand them and feel closer to them,” Jensen said. Jensen has dealt with a lot of parents on cases just like the disappearance of Horman. “Generally, parents in cases like this are incredibly distraught,” he said. “They’re almost just dysfunctional.” He said it was that way in 1989 before Jensen and his team arrested Westley Allan Dodd after Dodd kidnapped and murdered three preteen boys. “When you are in a case like this it’s personal because most of the cops have kids,” Jensen said. He said normally families are more local. Take, for example, the disappearance of college student Brooke Wilberger. Wilberger’s mother, Cammy, was very public even after Wilberger’s killer was caught. “We just really feel gratitude even to Mr. (Joel) Courtney that he could see fit to tell us where he left Brooke,” she said in September 2009. KATU News extended an invitation to Horman’s parents to speak to the media after a reporter found them at a local gym Wednesday after their workout. But the Horman’s drove off without responding to a question how the media could help. Terri Horman, Kyron’s stepmother, hasn’t been completely silent. She has spent some time on Facebook since Friday responding to posts from friends and talking about her workouts, which is more that Jensen said he finds unusual. “What I know from being an investigator and dealing with parents in tragic situations like this - homicides, kidnappings, stuff like that - they just really couldn’t much function other than to sit and wait for us to call,” he said. Jensen said investigators could be asking the Horman’s to be silent and to carry on with their lives as normal, but he said in his experience it is extremely difficult for families to be quiet and stay away from a search scene when a loved one, especially a child, is missing. http://www.katu.com/news/local/96033344.html#idc-cover Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Sister on June 10, 2010, 11:39:53 PM I'm not speculating the step-mom but one would think if there is a talent show she would want to be there to watch and not go home to play on facebook IMO agreed..I have no feelings one way or the other of what happened to this little boy..but I would be at the talent show too...not on fb if my kid was in a talent show... this case is really odd...something is just not adding up, but I find that in a lot of these cases of missing children..sigh... Just some what ifs. What if the talent show was just for the school that afternoon and one for the parents, grandparents, etc that night or a later night. I know they do that a lot here. I can't remember the step-mothers exact words about going to the gym the next day. I thought she said she was going to the gym not hitting the gym. What if she meant the school gym? What better place to stage for the search and rescue. Just like someone here found out that facebook listed times is your time, not necessarly in the poster times. So she wasn't playing games after Kyron went missing. Again I would really like to know how well they have searched the school and I mean every nook and cranny? It seemed like the school went on as usual, so how could they search that well? SuzieQ, thank you so much for posting about the time differences when viewing facebook. It has been proven she was not on facebook playing games or whatever after she knew her son was missing -- as well as her calling the school and then 911. Also, there are cases when the parents are asked not to make a public statement. What kind of cases, kidnapping with ransom comes to mind, among others. If LE asked me not to make a statement, I would keep my mouth shut so not to jeoparidize the case. Which is more important, the "public's right to know" or getting a child home safely? "Normal behavior when son is missing" -- what does that mean. Has LE indicated they are not cooperating -- no! There is definitely something different about this precious missing boy -- I don't know what it is but with all the reports of when Kyron was last seen in the school . . . lots of prayers need to be said as versus the factless and pointless statements about this family who are going through an unimaginable crisis. JMO Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: cartfly on June 11, 2010, 12:10:21 AM Just some info I came across. Not even sure if it is relevant or not....
I came across the home address for the Horman family. I won't post it here because I don't want to endanger anyone. It can however be located by doing a yahoo search. Anyway, I used the address to see how far the school was from the Horman home and how long it takes. The media has been vague about it but it is 2.9 miles from the school and would take about 6 minutes travel time. Also I should note the residence is extremely rural and is deep in the woods. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Blink34 on June 11, 2010, 06:46:26 AM Has anyone seen any updates on the 16 year old stepson James?
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: klaasend on June 11, 2010, 08:41:41 AM NEW BLINK POST:
http://blinkoncrime.com/2010/06/07/kyron-horman-missing-and-endangered-search-intensifies-for-missing-7-yeard-old-portland-boy/ KYRON HORMAN MISSING AND ENDANGERED: SEARCH INTENSIFIES FOR MISSING 7 YEAR OLD PORTLAND BOY Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: cookie on June 11, 2010, 08:56:22 AM thinking of you Kyron ...People are searching for you!! God bless this little boy...
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: cartfly on June 11, 2010, 10:17:59 AM Has anyone seen any updates on the 16 year old stepson James? I haven't seen much about him in any articles. You may know this already from your research but I did find that his bio father has the last name of Tarver. I think his first name is Ron but I am not positive, I would need to go back and look it up. I do recall his bio father is remarried and lives in Rosenburg (?) Oregon where Terri is from and her mother lives. I don't think they were ever married since the 16 year old has her maiden name. From photos I have seen, he "looks" like a good kid. Do you have any new info on him? Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Itaryl Moosee on June 11, 2010, 11:30:05 AM She goes by the name Terri Moulton Horman.
Her mother and father are Larry and Carol Moulton and they live in Roseburg, both are ex-teachers from Douglas County. Some search engines include her as Terri and Terri Lynn Ecker and residing with Kaine Horman. There is a Terri Lynn Ecker adoption record online. Birthdate in March 1970, adoption in November 1970, Birthplace Grassvalley, Ca. "Kyron's father, Kaine Horman, works at Intel's main administrative facility in Oregon, the Jones Farm campus in Hillsboro, the company said. Kyron's biological mother, Desiree Horman, and his father were officially divorced in February 2003, according to Washington County Circuit Court records. Carol Moulton said that Kaine, 36, and Terri, 40, have been together for seven or eight years and that they have been married for four or five years. The couple have an 18-month-old girl. "Terri has raised Kyron," her mother said. "She's been with him since he was an infant. She's as much of a mom as the mom is because the parents had separated about the time that Kyron was born."" http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/details_emerge_about_the_day_k.html Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: cartfly on June 11, 2010, 11:38:25 AM Skyline school staff list:
http://www.pps.k12.or.us/schools/skyline/179.htm Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: cartfly on June 11, 2010, 11:46:02 AM More info about the school:
http://www.pps.k12.or.us/schools-c/profiles/?id=186 (http://www.pps.k12.or.us/schools-c/profiles/?id=186) Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: New Monkey on June 11, 2010, 01:54:57 PM Skyline school staff list: If I am correct, there is only one teacher on that list who has anything posted on his link, which I found somewhat odd? Maybe not?http://www.pps.k12.or.us/schools/skyline/179.htm Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tracygirl on June 11, 2010, 02:16:18 PM Does anyone know if the science fair was announced in the local newspaper or perhaps on an outside banner or sign? I just keep thinking, what a perfect time for a planned kidnapping. So many people wandering around, but if it was just a visitor I would assume that person would have to have a kid with them or he/she would stand out, but would they? So doesn't it make sense if he was taken from the school it would have to be either a person that worked at the school or a parent or someone that at least looked like they could be a parent. We are told another student saw his mom leave with out him, so the step mom doesn't seem likely and what on earth would be her motive? There is no history of CPS, is there? I don't think so. From all accounts she has helped raise this boy since he was a baby and he called her mom.
So in thinking about this and playing the "what if" game, Doesn't usually a pedo lure a child by asking for help? I wonder if an adult asked him for help carrying something to or out of the car? He followed this person, and was put in the trunk. If most people were still inside the school it seems like this could have happened. OR he could have gone to the bathroom before school started as well. Was there someone in there waiting for a child to come in? What an easy way and the perfect day to gain entry into the school without raising any eyebrows. So I suppose what I am getting at is a person could have constructed a plan very easily to kidnap a child that day. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tracygirl on June 11, 2010, 02:18:50 PM I'm not speculating the step-mom but one would think if there is a talent show she would want to be there to watch and not go home to play on facebook IMO The dad and the bio mom were not at the school to watch as him in the show either. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: canadianmonkey on June 11, 2010, 02:24:13 PM Does anyone know if the science fair was announced in the local newspaper or perhaps on an outside banner or sign? I just keep thinking, what a perfect time for a planned kidnapping. So many people wandering around, but if it was just a visitor I would assume that person would have to have a kid with them or he/she would stand out, but would they? So doesn't it make sense if he was taken from the school it would have to be either a person that worked at the school or a parent or someone that at least looked like they could be a parent. We are told another student saw his mom leave with out him, so the step mom doesn't seem likely and what on earth would be her motive? There is no history of CPS, is there? I don't think so. From all accounts she has helped raise this boy since he was a baby and he called her mom. So in thinking about this and playing the "what if" game, Doesn't usually a pedo lure a child by asking for help? I wonder if an adult asked him for help carrying something to or out of the car? He followed this person, and was put in the trunk. If most people were still inside the school it seems like this could have happened. OR he could have gone to the bathroom before school started as well. Was there someone in there waiting for a child to come in? What an easy way and the perfect day to gain entry into the school without raising any eyebrows. So I suppose what I am getting at is a person could have constructed a plan very easily to kidnap a child that day. It wasn't listed on the school's agenda. In my opinion it would have to be a students parent or someone connected to the school that would know what activities were happening. Tracygirl...have you read Blink's article. It has some very interesting things in it. Like Kyron's parents are being escorted by police 24/7. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: canadianmonkey on June 11, 2010, 02:24:57 PM I'm not speculating the step-mom but one would think if there is a talent show she would want to be there to watch and not go home to play on facebook IMO The dad and the bio mom were not at the school to watch as him in the show either. Parents weren't invited. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: cookie on June 11, 2010, 02:27:51 PM I'm not speculating the step-mom but one would think if there is a talent show she would want to be there to watch and not go home to play on facebook IMO The dad and the bio mom were not at the school to watch as him in the show either. Parents weren't invited. how do you know this? thanks Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tracygirl on June 11, 2010, 02:28:36 PM I'm not speculating the step-mom but one would think if there is a talent show she would want to be there to watch and not go home to play on facebook IMO agreed..I have no feelings one way or the other of what happened to this little boy..but I would be at the talent show too...not on fb if my kid was in a talent show... this case is really odd...something is just not adding up, but I find that in a lot of these cases of missing children..sigh... Cookie, I don't think we will ever hear of a case that makes sense. Nothing about a child going poof adds up in my opinion. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: cookie on June 11, 2010, 02:31:32 PM I'm not speculating the step-mom but one would think if there is a talent show she would want to be there to watch and not go home to play on facebook IMO agreed..I have no feelings one way or the other of what happened to this little boy..but I would be at the talent show too...not on fb if my kid was in a talent show... this case is really odd...something is just not adding up, but I find that in a lot of these cases of missing children..sigh... Cookie, I don't think we will ever hear of a case that makes sense. Nothing about a child going poof adds up in my opinion. Hi Trace....exactly my point...it never makes sense to any of us...:) Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: canadianmonkey on June 11, 2010, 02:33:57 PM I'm not speculating the step-mom but one would think if there is a talent show she would want to be there to watch and not go home to play on facebook IMO The dad and the bio mom were not at the school to watch as him in the show either. Blink... # raceyrin says: June 11, 2010 at 8:54 am Blink, were the parents invited to the talent show ? To my knowledge, they were not, it was for school only. B Parents weren't invited. how do you know this? thanks Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: cookie on June 11, 2010, 02:35:24 PM thanks Canadian...I had not seen that before...:)
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: canadianmonkey on June 11, 2010, 02:35:31 PM sorry that quote got in the wrong place...
# raceyrin says: June 11, 2010 at 8:54 am Blink, were the parents invited to the talent show ? To my knowledge, they were not, it was for school only. B Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tracygirl on June 11, 2010, 02:42:49 PM Does anyone know if the science fair was announced in the local newspaper or perhaps on an outside banner or sign? I just keep thinking, what a perfect time for a planned kidnapping. So many people wandering around, but if it was just a visitor I would assume that person would have to have a kid with them or he/she would stand out, but would they? So doesn't it make sense if he was taken from the school it would have to be either a person that worked at the school or a parent or someone that at least looked like they could be a parent. We are told another student saw his mom leave with out him, so the step mom doesn't seem likely and what on earth would be her motive? There is no history of CPS, is there? I don't think so. From all accounts she has helped raise this boy since he was a baby and he called her mom. So in thinking about this and playing the "what if" game, Doesn't usually a pedo lure a child by asking for help? I wonder if an adult asked him for help carrying something to or out of the car? He followed this person, and was put in the trunk. If most people were still inside the school it seems like this could have happened. OR he could have gone to the bathroom before school started as well. Was there someone in there waiting for a child to come in? What an easy way and the perfect day to gain entry into the school without raising any eyebrows. So I suppose what I am getting at is a person could have constructed a plan very easily to kidnap a child that day. It wasn't listed on the school's agenda. In my opinion it would have to be a students parent or someone connected to the school that would know what activities were happening. Tracygirl...have you read Blink's article. It has some very interesting things in it. Like Kyron's parents are being escorted by police 24/7. Yea I saw that it was not on the calendar however, was it posted in a local newspaper or even in a schools news letter? I did read Blinks article, always do! I love Blink! I didn't catch the parents are being escorted 24/7...hmmm why are they doing that? As if to protect them? Could this be a ransom kidnapping? Is that the thought? Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tracygirl on June 11, 2010, 02:45:39 PM What does the dad do for a living? What position does he hold? Or the bio mom?
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Wyks on June 11, 2010, 02:49:34 PM Live presser supposed to be on ch6 in about 20 minutes or so, local and online. Trying to find exact link. This is the main news site:
http://www.koinlocal6.com (http://www.koinlocal6.com) Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: canadianmonkey on June 11, 2010, 02:57:01 PM Live presser supposed to be on ch6 in about 20 minutes or so, local and online. Trying to find exact link. This is the main news site: http://www.koinlocal6.com (http://www.koinlocal6.com) Thanks Wyk Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: canadianmonkey on June 11, 2010, 02:59:58 PM She goes by the name Terri Moulton Horman. Her mother and father are Larry and Carol Moulton and they live in Roseburg, both are ex-teachers from Douglas County. Some search engines include her as Terri and Terri Lynn Ecker and residing with Kaine Horman. There is a Terri Lynn Ecker adoption record online. Birthdate in March 1970, adoption in November 1970, Birthplace Grassvalley, Ca. "Kyron's father, Kaine Horman, works at Intel's main administrative facility in Oregon, the Jones Farm campus in Hillsboro, the company said. Kyron's biological mother, Desiree Horman, and his father were officially divorced in February 2003, according to Washington County Circuit Court records. Carol Moulton said that Kaine, 36, and Terri, 40, have been together for seven or eight years and that they have been married for four or five years. The couple have an 18-month-old girl. "Terri has raised Kyron," her mother said. "She's been with him since he was an infant. She's as much of a mom as the mom is because the parents had separated about the time that Kyron was born."" http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/details_emerge_about_the_day_k.html bump for Tracygirl Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tracygirl on June 11, 2010, 03:05:38 PM She goes by the name Terri Moulton Horman. Her mother and father are Larry and Carol Moulton and they live in Roseburg, both are ex-teachers from Douglas County. Some search engines include her as Terri and Terri Lynn Ecker and residing with Kaine Horman. There is a Terri Lynn Ecker adoption record online. Birthdate in March 1970, adoption in November 1970, Birthplace Grassvalley, Ca. "Kyron's father, Kaine Horman, works at Intel's main administrative facility in Oregon, the Jones Farm campus in Hillsboro, the company said. Kyron's biological mother, Desiree Horman, and his father were officially divorced in February 2003, according to Washington County Circuit Court records. Carol Moulton said that Kaine, 36, and Terri, 40, have been together for seven or eight years and that they have been married for four or five years. The couple have an 18-month-old girl. "Terri has raised Kyron," her mother said. "She's been with him since he was an infant. She's as much of a mom as the mom is because the parents had separated about the time that Kyron was born.""[/i] http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/details_emerge_about_the_day_k.html bump for Tracygirl Thanks, what does that mean though. What does he do there? I am going to find out what this place is. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Starlit on June 11, 2010, 03:08:39 PM interesting link I found forensic astrology (if you beleive in this sort of thing)
Forensic Astrology TYPE OF EVENT: Missing / Endangered What happened to Kyron Horman? DATE: Friday: June 4, 2010 TIME OF EVENT: 8:45 AM PDT (approximate time step-mom last seen Kyron) TIME ZONE: (+7:00) LOCATION OF EVENT: North Portland, OREGON USA CHART ASCENDANT: 27 CANCER 12' MOON: 10 PISCES 58' MIDHEAVEN: 07 ARIES 06' Kyron Horman's stepmother said, she last seen her stepson at 8:45 AM, Friday, June 4, walking toward a south door entrance to his elementary school, other reports indicate the stepmother's last sighting took place inside the school as he walked down the hallway to class. 27 Cancer, a "crisis" degree rises upon the ascendant, an indication that this could only end in tears. Cancer is of the water triplicity (emotions, imagination) and of the cardinal quality (fast moving, swift, aggressive) making it a sign prone to sudden and wild mood swings. Also rising is the fixed star PROCYON, which is found in the "neck" of Alpha Canis Minor, or the "little dog." Having a Mars/Mercury nature the influence of this star amplifies the more kneejerk emotional tendencies common to Cancer. Procyon is said to make people hasty, jealous, pig-headed, hot tempered, and is known for pushing primal impulses and ill-advised thoughts into action. So far things don't look good for the little guy. Cancer is the sign having special reference to home, family, the womb, close knit ties, and those we share an umbilical link. The Moon rules Cancer and therefore rules Kyron. Mercury the natural ruler of school children is co-ruler. Moon Pisces is emotionally fragile and gullible. Moon Pisces in combination to the Cancer ascendant says, behind Kyron's bright smile, a muted sadness lurks. Moon last touched "Chiron" - the irony here is obvious. The last conjunction of the Moon to Chiron gives me the impression of the cry for help that was ignored or left unheard. The Moon-Chiron conjunction makes me wonder if Kyron was showing signs of abuse; unexplained bruises, cuts, torn clothing... was he complaining of feeling sick, having nightmares, looking depressed. There are indicators here that leave me to wonder if he was communicating / showing signs of abuse only to be dismissed as a whiny, lying hypochondriac hurting himself. One wonders to who was Kyron a little pain in the neck? The Moon shares the ninth house with Jupiter and Uranus. Jupiter is upon the "last straw" degree 29 Pisces, a sign having special reference of being at the end of ones' rope but also escapism through addiction and alcoholism, but also a variety of mental illnesses such as bi-polar disorder, post traumatic stress disorder, muchausen syndrome, and postpartum depression to name a few. Jupiter 29 Pisces conjoined to fixed star Scheat is often predictive of suicidal tendencies. The Moon (Kyron) is in the company of a very unstable individual. Uranus is on the ARIES POINT. Uranus has a mind blowing "bombshell" effect. The presence of Uranus upon the ARIES POINT near the "public" midheaven gives me the sinking feeling we may have a crime that could get spectacular media coverage because of its shocking nature or twisted outcome. Aries is on the midheaven ruled by Mars sextile Hades opposite Neptune gives me the impression the authorities may need to consider the involvement of a juvenile, young offender. If this is the case, Mars Leo would indicate a known trouble maker bully. A tyrant, someone who is immature emotionally, exhibits threatening behavior openly, and does not like being told what to do, walks the streets a soldier, a brute, fights everyone, yet they may have no criminal history, I suspect they have not paid a serious price for their petty crimes or to society - not yet! Lurking in the twelfth house (of silent suffering) is Hades (mental torment) in Gemini, biblically referred to Cain and Abel, siblings. Mars is coming up on the Ascendant from the second house telling me that Kyron most likely knows the assailant. Moon Pisces waning square to the Sun Gemini eleventh house of friends, classmates and peer groups confirms not only the possibility of a young offender but also someone slightly older that Kyron the "little dog" may have looked up to, admired, or feared as a BIG DOG personality. The Sun Gemini eleventh house is a strong suspect in this case - Kyron's artwork of the smiling yet menacing two-faced Sun confirms this instinct. Sometimes we have less to fear from strangers. I don't believe Kyron is with or was taken by complete stranger. As much as it pains me to say this, the Cancer Ascendant in addition to Mercury in Taurus indicates Kyron's location was (could still be) heavily fortified, moon (grayish) / eggshell colored, moist, dark, cold, sound proof, i.e. a "womb like" structure / enclosing... a basement or underground bunker possibly, but I think the trunks of cars figure in and should also be searched thoroughly. http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendId=100834818&blogId=535513526 Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Wyks on June 11, 2010, 03:09:48 PM Presser on now:
http://www.koinlocal6.com/content/mediacenter/default.aspx?videoId=3969&navCatId=4 (http://www.koinlocal6.com/content/mediacenter/default.aspx?videoId=3969&navCatId=4) Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tracygirl on June 11, 2010, 03:10:20 PM http://www.intel.com/community/oregon/campus/jones_farm.htm
Link to dads work. I would love to know what he does there. Or what his mom does for a living. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Wyks on June 11, 2010, 03:14:46 PM Presser on now: http://www.koinlocal6.com/content/mediacenter/default.aspx?videoId=3969&navCatId=4 (http://www.koinlocal6.com/content/mediacenter/default.aspx?videoId=3969&navCatId=4) Family members to speak at above link. (if you can get it to come in, which I'm having a hard time doing. Tho that's the direct link the news channel says) Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tracygirl on June 11, 2010, 03:30:49 PM Presser on now: http://www.koinlocal6.com/content/mediacenter/default.aspx?videoId=3969&navCatId=4 (http://www.koinlocal6.com/content/mediacenter/default.aspx?videoId=3969&navCatId=4) Family members to speak at above link. (if you can get it to come in, which I'm having a hard time doing. Tho that's the direct link the news channel says) I lost my connection, did they speak? Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Wyks on June 11, 2010, 03:38:38 PM Presser on now: http://www.koinlocal6.com/content/mediacenter/default.aspx?videoId=3969&navCatId=4 (http://www.koinlocal6.com/content/mediacenter/default.aspx?videoId=3969&navCatId=4) Family members to speak at above link. (if you can get it to come in, which I'm having a hard time doing. Tho that's the direct link the news channel says) I lost my connection, did they speak? I couldn't get more than 2 or 3 words at a time, then it went poof. Am just gonna wait til it's over, then watch the video. Hopefully. It's supposed to be the family speaking, and showing clothes similiar to what he was wearing. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: pamomma on June 11, 2010, 03:47:23 PM I was watching other clips while on the site and in this clip
http://www.koinlocal6.com/content/mediacenter/default.aspx?videoid=16760@koin.web.entriq.net They mention the gym that both Kayne Horman and Terri worked out at. The reporter said that people have been dropping of donation items for the family and the searchers there all week....maybe when Terri wrote on her facebook she was "going to the gym tomorrow" she was going to pick up donations or something.....I just thought that was an eye opener to how often we jump to conclusions about people based on statements or messages, when there may be a perfectly reasonable explanation. Now I don't know for sure what she was doing at the gym...but this is a possible reason. I'm anxious to hear the family's statement, but I just hope that the focus stays on FINDING KYRON and the media doesn't decide that dissecting every word and expression his family makes is a better use of their air time than keeping Kyron's story out there. BTW-it's not 1:00 in portland yet...and that is what time the family is making their statement. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tracygirl on June 11, 2010, 03:53:27 PM I was watching other clips while on the site and in this clip http://www.koinlocal6.com/content/mediacenter/default.aspx?videoid=16760@koin.web.entriq.net They mention the gym that both Kayne Horman and Terri worked out at. The reporter said that people have been dropping of donation items for the family and the searchers there all week....maybe when Terri wrote on her facebook she was "going to the gym tomorrow" she was going to pick up donations or something.....I just thought that was an eye opener to how often we jump to conclusions about people based on statements or messages, when there may be a perfectly reasonable explanation. Now I don't know for sure what she was doing at the gym...but this is a possible reason. I'm anxious to hear the family's statement, but I just hope that the focus stays on FINDING KYRON and the media doesn't decide that dissecting every word and expression his family makes is a better use of their air time than keeping Kyron's story out there. BTW-it's not 1:00 in portland yet...and that is what time the family is making their statement. Yep, totally agree. BTW, thanks for posting the family will be giving statements at 1:00. I too hope everyone can give the family a break and not judge ever word or gesture. After all, we don't have an instruction manual for the families on what to do, what to say, how to say it, what to wear, how much to cry or not cry... Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tracygirl on June 11, 2010, 03:57:40 PM http://www.koinlocal6.com/content/mediacenter/default.aspx?videoId=3969&navCatId=4
Says family statement, I haven't gotten anything yet. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tracygirl on June 11, 2010, 04:02:40 PM http://www.koinlocal6.com/content/mediacenter/default.aspx?videoId=3969&navCatId=4 Says family statement, I haven't gotten anything yet. I am having problems keeping the live stream I think it is about to start though Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tracygirl on June 11, 2010, 04:04:07 PM http://www.koinlocal6.com/content/mediacenter/default.aspx?videoId=3969&navCatId=4 Says family statement, I haven't gotten anything yet. I am having problems keeping the live stream I think it is about to start though started Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Wyks on June 11, 2010, 04:06:16 PM Another link. This channel actually works for me.
http://www.king5.com/home/NWCN-Live-Stream-66425277.html (http://www.king5.com/home/NWCN-Live-Stream-66425277.html) Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tracygirl on June 11, 2010, 04:07:55 PM Step dad speaking. Pleading for Kyron to come home, they miss him and need him.
The dad now speaking. Thanking the community. The stress is showing on him and in his voice. The 2 moms were embarrassing and crying. Step mom and dad embrassed and cryed after his statement. These people are torn in two. They need support. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Wyks on June 11, 2010, 04:08:55 PM Another link. This channel actually works for me. http://www.king5.com/home/NWCN-Live-Stream-66425277.html (http://www.king5.com/home/NWCN-Live-Stream-66425277.html) Great. Now it's over. Am telling ya, this isn't my day. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tracygirl on June 11, 2010, 04:11:23 PM Another link. This channel actually works for me. http://www.king5.com/home/NWCN-Live-Stream-66425277.html (http://www.king5.com/home/NWCN-Live-Stream-66425277.html) Great. Now it's over. Am telling ya, this isn't my day. Wykes it was very short. I think the looks on their faces should put to rest any doubt the public may have had. They are very upset, I mean very upset. ugg this is so sad. They love child. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: pamomma on June 11, 2010, 04:13:12 PM I'm in tears after watching the family statements...they are clearly distraught, the sadness was palpable. I can't wait to get home to my little ones and give them an extra tight hug tonight. I can't imagine what those parents must be going through.
It also seemed clear to me that the parents and step parents are all on one team right now just wanting Kyron home. (what a difference from the family of Hailey Cummings) Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Wyks on June 11, 2010, 04:17:27 PM Police check possible Kyron sighting in CA http://www.kgw.com/news/Police-check-possible-Kyron-sighting-in-CA-96163314.html (http://www.kgw.com/news/Police-check-possible-Kyron-sighting-in-CA-96163314.html) YREKA, Calif. -- Yreka, Calif. police were investigating a tip they received of a boy matching Kyron Horman's description. The California Highway Patrol got a tip from a psychic in Idaho a few days ago that Kyron was in Yreka. Detectives in the small Northern-California community have been going door-to-door passing out fliers. The local newspaper’s Website reported that Yreka police got a tip that a boy matching Kyron's description was seen at a local Wal-Mart. Yreka detectives said they have seen the surveillance tape. In that tape, a boy who matches Kyron's description was seen with an older couple. The boy in the video was wearing glasses, but was not wearing the CSI T-shirt that Horman was reportedly wearing when he was last seen at school. Yreka Police were sending the surveillance footage to investigators in Oregon to review it. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Wyks on June 11, 2010, 04:18:24 PM Another link. This channel actually works for me. http://www.king5.com/home/NWCN-Live-Stream-66425277.html (http://www.king5.com/home/NWCN-Live-Stream-66425277.html) Great. Now it's over. Am telling ya, this isn't my day. Wykes it was very short. I think the looks on their faces should put to rest any doubt the public may have had. They are very upset, I mean very upset. ugg this is so sad. They love child. Thanks TG! Yes this is so sad. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tracygirl on June 11, 2010, 04:24:56 PM Police check possible Kyron sighting in CA http://www.kgw.com/news/Police-check-possible-Kyron-sighting-in-CA-96163314.html (http://www.kgw.com/news/Police-check-possible-Kyron-sighting-in-CA-96163314.html) YREKA, Calif. -- Yreka, Calif. police were investigating a tip they received of a boy matching Kyron Horman's description. The California Highway Patrol got a tip from a psychic in Idaho a few days ago that Kyron was in Yreka. Detectives in the small Northern-California community have been going door-to-door passing out fliers. The local newspaper’s Website reported that Yreka police got a tip that a boy matching Kyron's description was seen at a local Wal-Mart. Yreka detectives said they have seen the surveillance tape. In that tape, a boy who matches Kyron's description was seen with an older couple. The boy in the video was wearing glasses, but was not wearing the CSI T-shirt that Horman was reportedly wearing when he was last seen at school. Yreka Police were sending the surveillance footage to investigators in Oregon to review it. Wow! I hope it is him! Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tracygirl on June 11, 2010, 04:27:20 PM I hit post too soon, sorry. Walmart has camera's everywhere. They should know what car they drove as well. Keeping fingers crossed! Hopefully we will hear more about this.
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Wyks on June 11, 2010, 04:30:18 PM Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: canadianmonkey on June 11, 2010, 04:42:12 PM earful Horman Family Makes First Appearance
POSTED: 1:14 pm PDT June 11, 2010 UPDATED: 1:21 pm PDT June 11, 2010 PORTLAND, Ore. -- Members of Kyron Horman's immediate family made a brief, but tearful, statement Friday in their first public appearance since the 7-year-old disappeared a week ago. Kyron's biological mother, Desiree Horman; his stepfather, Tony Young; his stepmother, Terri Moulton Horman; and his father, Kaine Horman, all appeared before the media early Friday afternoon. Kaine Horman thanked the community members who have been "interviewed multiple times" in an effort to find the child. "Your memories and statements can help us find Kyron. We can never thank you enough for that help," he said. Kyron's step-father also spoke, sometimes directly to the missing boy. "You mean everything to us and until you come home, this family is not complete. Please, Kyron, keep up the hope. We believe in you," he said. The family did not answer questions from the media. http://www.kptv.com/news/23873745/detail.html# Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: canadianmonkey on June 11, 2010, 04:43:08 PM Well...i'm away for the weekend. I hope on Monday morning I come on and there is news of Kyron.
Until then i will keep praying for him. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Starlit on June 11, 2010, 05:00:23 PM Possible Kyron Horman Sighting Reported In Calif. POSTED: 1:17 pm PDT June 11, 2010 UPDATED: 1:25 pm PDT June 11, 2010 facebookdel.icio.usbuzzdiggreddit›› Email›› PrintPORTLAND, Ore. -- Police in Northern California have forwarded Walmart surveillance photos to Multnomah County deputies after a possible sighting of missing 7-year-old Kyron Horman. Yreka Police Detective Steve Fahrney said a child matching Kyron's description was seen at a Walmart store Thursday. The boy was with an elderly man at the time, Fahrney said. It was the third tip this week relating to Kyron being in Yreka. On Monday, a self-proclaimed psychic called California Highway Patrol from Idaho and said Kyron was in the northern California city, Fahrney said. There was also a report from someone staying at Motel 6 in Yreka. That person called police to say a boy who looked like Kyron was seen with an elderly couple. Fahrney said officers have sent still photos of the Walmart surveillance video to the Multnomah County Sheriff's Office. They also plan to send the video. Kyron has not been seen since June 4. http://www.kptv.com/news/23873858/detail.html Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Starlit on June 11, 2010, 05:03:52 PM lol sorry wykes i guess we psoted this about the same exact time lol
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tracygirl on June 11, 2010, 05:05:18 PM During the news conference today with LE, did anyone catch what he was saying about it being the one year anniversary of something? What happened last year? I didn't catch it and I cannot get to a replay of the news conference.
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tracygirl on June 11, 2010, 05:18:02 PM http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=huW1p1RovQY
Here is youtube video of the news conference with the parents for those that missing it. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tracygirl on June 11, 2010, 05:24:13 PM http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hi4P3vGDow8&feature=related
This video at .45 sec shows a Skyline school tall sign that says June 4th I.B. Inquiry expo 8-10AM Talent Show 1:2:45 This thing was advertised with times and everything. .... Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Starlit on June 11, 2010, 05:35:23 PM YREKA, Calif. -- Police in Yreka, California say the boy in surveillance video from a local store is not missing Portlander Kyron Horman.
An Iowa psychic had called the California Highway Patrol June 8 suggesting that Horman was in the Yreka area. Lt. Dave Gamache says another caller thought he spotted the boy at a Wal-Mart in Yreka. Detectives obtained surveillance video from the store and have now ruled out the possibility that the boy was Kyron Horman, Lt. Gamache said. Horman has gone missing since last Friday, when he vanished after a science fair in Portland. http://www.kgw.com/news/Police-check-possible-Kyron-sighting-in-CA-96163314.html Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Deenie on June 11, 2010, 07:42:59 PM http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/boy_spotted_in_walmart_is_not.html
Posted within the hour - Not Kyron with Couple snipped: A young boy seen in a Walmart in Yreka, Calif. is not missing 7-year-old Kyron Horman. Police in the 7,300-person town, on Interstate 5 just south of the Oregon border, said they received a report that Kyron was seen at the superstore Thursday with a man and a woman. News accounts of the sighting — along with video surveillance showing a boy matching Kyron’s description in the store — created a buzz and brief hope that the eight-day search could be over. An officer who went to Walmart today to investigate further spotted the couple with the boy. They happened to be shopping there again. It was not Kyron, but even the officer thought the resemblance was strong, said a police employee who declined to be named. The couple turned out to be the boy’s grandparents. -- Lord this is just so ... uck. I had the news on early early this morning. They mentioned Kyron on the ticker running below ..the live stream of news. It said the statement of Law Enforcement do not believe that there is foul play and or this is a kidnapping. Well WHAT is it then? It reminds me so of Sandra Cantu. When they released the same very statements. Not feeling that Sandra was kidnapped. Venting here - Somebody who has the power in the legal system has to REVAMP the Amber Alert System - Nationally. For EACH State. Kyron's info should have been shot out to all and everyone - Immediately that he is a Missing child. His last known Location and what he was wearing and his description. This " We do not have a Vehicle" in order to issue an AMBER alert is Insane. With all the technology we have today with texting, twitter, you can get your voice mails typed as they come in on your computer screen(at home/work) - All the Highways that have the bulletin boards with flashing messages. There is NO excuse that Kryon's life be put in jeopardy for the first hours he was missing. ( All children) For those "idiots" who make false claims throw their Axxes in Jail - for anyone to report a child missing as a joke, or a false claim on purpose ..( which the powers that be contend to be part of the reason why - they do not issue Amber Alerts on every child missing) That the system will be abused... I think we are all "over it" for their excuses of why.... they will not issue a Amber. Kryon is not a teen. He cannot drive a car. He didn't just run away. He is a innocent little boy. I find that the system has failed him. ( has failed many of our nations children) rant over ...... My heart/head is telling me that someone is Lying through their teeth on this one. Who that is ?? I don't know. Kryon I hope you are found soon - SAFE. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Deenie on June 11, 2010, 08:22:47 PM Two nights ago I was thinking about Kyron and kicking it around in my head of what possibly could have happened with him ( at the school / within or on school property)
Which made me think of another child, same age, with the school being key, .... Little Tori Stafford. 8 years old. Victoria Stafford from Canada. ( No Amber Alert was ever issued for Tori either) She went poof at her school. What happened to Tori? That it was found out that a person of Bio Mom's past - led Tori away from the school that day. Tori not knowing that this 18 year female had her death planned. Snipped:http://www.citytv.com/toronto/citynews/news/local/article/10815--the-tori-stafford-case-twists-turns-tears-and-an-arrest April 8, 2009 The day that changed the life of an entire town begins innocently, as little Victoria Stafford leaves school on her way home. She was supposed to be walked back by a family member who wasn't able to perform the chore that day. Instead, not far from where she left class, the little girl is met by a woman wearing a white puffy jacket. A distant security camera catches the mysterious figure as she gets the girl to go with her. It doesn't appear Tori is struggling and it looks like she goes with the person willingly, leading police to conclude it's likely she knew her apparent captor. It will continue to be both the best and the worst of clues for Oxford Community Police. It's the only video they have of what happened to the child, but it's so grainy and difficult to see that it provides few answers. We all recall this video - the school had cameras and Tori was last seen walking with a unidentified female. http://www.youtube.com/v/h65X3YBpfy4&hl=en_US&fs=1&rel=0 Tori's parents were torn apart by the media. Both of them. Guilt by association for the Bio-Mom? Tori's Mother "rumored purchased drugs" from this young woman, "Terri-Lynne McClintic" in the past. Had connections within the same circle of people, at one time. Terri-Lynne McClintic 18, and her boyfriend Michael Rafferty were arrested for the kidnapping, assault, murder of Tori. Tori to date is still waiting for her Justice this just days ago on her case - trial to be sometime in 2011 http://www.citytv.com/toronto/citynews/news/local/article/78309--one-of-the-accused-in-tori-stafford-s-murder-will-go-straight-to-trial -- Someone knows something I think or its not being said - within Kyron's disappearance. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Itaryl Moosee on June 11, 2010, 09:02:02 PM I've been wracking my brain since the Kyron case started, trying to think of a similar case that I've read or seen featured on television.
But, I've read and watched so many of them that they are now all intertwined in my mind, like the individual bands of a giant rubber bands ball. So, after much searching I remember a case about a child "disappearing" from school. I know many here know about it, the Scotty Baker case. Anyone can Google the case, or ask Jeeves. Without giving details here, for not wanting to draw similarities to the Horman case, I will just post the URL: http://thetimestribune.com/local/x1065242838/Child-killer-helper-released This is only for discussion or reading purposes only, not implying guilt, acute similarities, or anything by it. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Deenie on June 11, 2010, 09:36:17 PM I've been wracking my brain since the Kyron case started, trying to think of a similar case that I've read or seen featured on television. I went to your link MooseeBut, I've read and watched so many of them that they are now all intertwined in my mind, like the individual bands of a giant rubber bands ball. So, after much searching I remember a case about a child "disappearing" from school. I know many here know about it, the Scotty Baker case. Anyone can Google the case, or ask Jeeves. Without giving details here, for not wanting to draw similarities to the Horman case, I will just post the URL: http://thetimestribune.com/local/x1065242838/Child-killer-helper-released This is only for discussion or reading purposes only, not implying guilt, acute similarities, or anything by it. My brain just goes south to read that .. I don't know if you read my post of Tori Stafford. Something within all of Kyron's case ..is just a Who/What and Why? Its been too long for them not to come up with any leads. Or for them not to announce anything .. I think the LE does have information and are not yet able to say. What is torture is obvious " parents grief" and that the volunteers are still out there day and night .. looking for Kyron. I think that when and if LE does know something ( if they cannot allow the public to know, I hope they do allow direction for those in charge of volunteers - the searchers) I have no words. I know if this was my little boy, I would be tranked by now. I would be at my wits end. Sigh Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Itaryl Moosee on June 11, 2010, 11:49:30 PM Deenie, the Tori Stafford case is another case of children going with someone who they know (therefore no stranger)... they feel they can be trusted.
It is just too sad, and a disgrace, the huge epidemic of adult males hurting small innocent children. I hope I get no heat for saying this, because there have been cases in which women have done the same, but statistically the large majority of these crimes are committed by males. Anyway, I found a link to the sheriff's updates, which I think could be helpful: http://www.flashalert.net/news.html?id=1276 Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tracygirl on June 11, 2010, 11:59:30 PM Oh gosh Deenie poor little Tori, that video still haunts me. Tori's mom had said she had met the woman we see in the video because the woman's mother studded her dog out. They have the same breed and looked to possibly use them. She declined. The woman used a puppy to lure beautiful little Tori to her boyfriend who was lying in wait for a young girl to be brought to him. On his myspace (or some similar page) he said, "Good things are coming my way" They both need to be shot.
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tracygirl on June 12, 2010, 12:40:00 AM Deenie, the Tori Stafford case is another case of children going with someone who they know (therefore no stranger)... they feel they can be trusted. It is just too sad, and a disgrace, the huge epidemic of adult males hurting small innocent children. I hope I get no heat for saying this, because there have been cases in which women have done the same, but statistically the large majority of these crimes are committed by males. Anyway, I found a link to the sheriff's updates, which I think could be helpful: http://www.flashalert.net/news.html?id=1276 As was with Tori a woman could have helped lure Kyron to a male who was waiting. There are so many possibilities of what could have happened to this child and I don't believe gender has anything to do with it. At one time I considering he was hidden somewhere in the school and taken out possibly during the talent show, but now I am not sure. To me it makes sense he was taken out of the school around the time the bell was to ring. If he was hidden somewhere in the school and later taken out, that person took a huge risk that he would be searched for or could it be that person could control a possible search? But who could that person be in the school? So this had lead me to the question, why did that teacher not wonder where he was after some time considering his book bag and jacket were in the classroom? Did she not see him walking around the science fair? We have been told over and over again how small the school is, well did she not see him? I can understand a teacher considering when a student is not at his desk, well lets not panic, he may have gone to the bathroom, but after lets say 5 minutes he is not there then marking him absent apparently on some kind of assumption that is just not right. The fair was to be over at 10, surely by this time she would have noticed he was not there or came back yet after all that book bag and jacket was there. So I ask myself why? Was this an attempt to stall a search for this child or was this just a stupid act by a person lacking the skills of a snail? I bet LE has as well and I hope she gave an explanation that makes sense to them. Am I pointing a finger at the teacher? I don't know, it is just this part seems odd to me and I don't like it. Either way she needs to answer to why she did what she did and did not do her job correctly. If this is common for this school then that needs to be changed asap. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tracygirl on June 12, 2010, 01:14:43 AM Sorry last post from me, well Ican't really promise that but bear with me for a moment longer.
So the teacher assumes Kyron was in the bathroom but decides to mark him absent then sends groups of kids with adults to finish touring the science fair. Ok assuming he did go to the bathroom, if she thought he was in the bathroom and still hadn't come back when the others took off, wouldn't Kyron come back to an emptied classroom? So if that happened, what would he do? I would suppose go look for his teacher to ask her where he was supposed to go. So would this leave him walking alone in the hallway? At this time it would be after 9, the parents, other then the one volunteering would have left, the children would be touring the exhibits. Its been said the last time he was seen was by the south entrance around 9, I think I read his classroom was on the northside by the parking lot, that is not confirmed though. LE would not comment on if he was with someone. This whole thing just stinks. Kyron where are you buddy? I pray he is safe tonight and being very brave. I was looking at the pic of his exhibit and it is wonderful! He put so much work into and from that smile on his sweet little face, was very proud of his efforts. He's only 7 years old for gosh sakes and deserves to be 8 some day. I pray this has a happy ending..Please God let this be a happy ending? Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: cartfly on June 12, 2010, 01:21:53 AM Just thinking out loud......
In reference to Kyron's backpack and coat being left in the classroom: I do not know if Kyron put his backpack into a "cubby" or hung it up in a certain place in the class that was visible to his teacher, but at my sons school the kids often leave their backpacks at school on Fridays. My little one says that his teacher tells the class that they can leave their backpacks because they dont have homework on Friday. Just my experience. I also think with parents and students coming in and out of class that the teacher could have easily overlooked Kyron's belongings in the classroom when and if roll call was done. Those events are usually pretty hectic for the teachers of younger students. It sounds like the day was a "fun" day for the school and that a normal instructional time was not held due to the science fair and talent show. I do agree the teacher and school should never have been so complacent but I can understand somewhat seeing how those events are hectic at my own sons school. However, no school should believe that they are immune to the world we live in today. It is really sad that we have to live this way. :( Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: SuzieQ on June 12, 2010, 01:22:34 AM Tracy I so agree. I can not put my finger on it, but something about the school just does not seem right to me. I guess one thing is that they just went on the next day as if nothing had happened. How can you search a school when it is full of children and teachers? I think I would have been afraid to send my child to school the next day.
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Deenie on June 12, 2010, 03:17:24 AM Tracy I so agree. I can not put my finger on it, but something about the school just does not seem right to me. I guess one thing is that they just went on the next day as if nothing had happened. How can you search a school when it is full of children and teachers? I think I would have been afraid to send my child to school the next day. I offer my thoughts - I agree as well. Something is not right. I have seen one photo of a hallway within Kyron's school. Its quite obvious that this school is small. I can tell by the structure of the hallway itself. My own experience and mind - I myself moved a lot when I was young. I went to 6 different elementary schools. One out of state, the rest in 3 different counties of my home state. My daughter too being in 4 elementary schools. The news has stated there were 300 students in Kyron's school. That to many " is just a handful" of children. 300 sounds like a lot - but its not. I just cannot get over the lack of witnesses. Where the heck was everyone " this was a BUSY Day" Yes. So what. I know when my Daughter had events at her schools - I myself not only looked forward to my Daughter's experience but I was looking out for her classmates too. I would look for her classmates to say HI and isn't this GREAT and ask them What they did to participate in the event. It was Big and exciting. For the Class and the Teacher to represent " As the Class and As the Individual within" the Class. You as MOM step in and give the TEACHER a HUG and say - This is Awesome! When my Daughter was in elementary - I worked full time. I at times worked over an hour away drive time- from her school. She was latch key. Drop off prior to school started and picked up after school sessions ended. I never though did not have a relationship with her Teachers. I always had a connection to her teachers. I volunteered for School Trips and when I was able to go - I was IN it ..I was not just the ave parent .. a I am here because I have to be. I got into it. I was right in there with the kids. Lets Have FUN. Lets Make this a Moment of a lifetime experience. My Daughter to this Day .. at almost 20yrs old ..says she has met up with some kids from her past. From her Elementary days ..and they always say YOUR MOM was so Fun and she really made our trips worthy. I remember Your Mom. That is the greatest Gift you can give another Child. Is YOU Count as Important and to add the message Cherish this Moment - Make it Worthy. One trip I recall, I chaperoned 6 children within my Daughter's class - I was given 6 children under me. We went to Greenfield Village. One of the girls who I was given within my troop, was handicapped. Her name I wont say, but I will call her ( Ruby). She I had known since my Daughter was in first grade. We moved and then came back to the same school. This little Girl was important to my Daughter, they really loved each other. Ruby was a special little girl. Why do I bring her up. Is because a few times I volunteered on a regular day to just hang out .. no event. And I recall the special ed teacher " brought into class, just for Ruby's special needs". Tracygirl can I am sure identify. And I was just that, a watcher, I was open to whatever my daughter's teacher asked me to do. I sat in the back of the room. I watched Ruby and this Teacher. I was appalled by this so called special teacher. Ruby was fine, she was just herself. This teacher talked to Ruby as if she was " stupid" " ignorant" and less than human. I bit my lip and never said a word - I left after that day. But BOY Oh Boy did I voice the Next Day. I was heard loud and clear. Ruby was mine within this trip of Greenfield Village. She had a hard time keeping up with everyone. Not because she was incapable. But because her Mom sent her with a brand new pair of leather shoes ..that were not broken in. So I told Ruby .. take them off. I said I will stuff your shoes in my purse. She was all upset because she was wearing white tights/that they would be ruined. I said to her, It's okay. I will get you a new pair of tights. Your Mom won't care about your tights. I kept this little girl right next to me - but allowed her to experience everything she wanted. She held my hand 90% of the time. Would not let go of my hand. We were 7 paces behind everyone. My Daughter was within this group of six and she said MOM ... I am so glad your with Ruby and they didn't bring in her special teacher. All the kids within the group of 6 were engaged - with Her. OMG Did you see that? Did you look ? Hugging her and grabbing her and laughing. She Ruby was having a great time. The kids within the classroom did not like this " special teacher either". Why did no one else see this? Adults? I don't offer any blame to Ruby's MOM because I know this special teacher had quite the reputation of being a strong arm - she was older and thought she was the Cats azz. I knew Ruby's Mom. I had been to her house. Sweet Loving Incredible Woman - Ruby's Mother, Ruby's Dad too ~ Good People. I wonder within Kyron's class - WHO was invited or even present for reasons .. on a day to day or - volunteer basis. All these photo's released of Kyron are him at school. Who took these photos? I notice his hair is of all different lengths and he has teeth and then some missing ( his age progression) .. Why are the photo's all at school? Who was near him? Who participated within his classroom activities? Who was his watcher ? Something is screaming at me and all - this has ties to his school. Some ppl can be right before your eyes and not be a mention until someone points them out. Just saying. ** for TG not only did I talk to Ruby's Mom, I talked to the primary Teacher and wrote a letter. I will not stand by and watch a beautiful special needs child - be taken advantage of by someone hired in " due to their credentials". To condemn a child from their spirit or uphold their education using verbal abuse. This special needs teacher was let go after that year - she was no longer needed nor necessity for Ruby's education. (( One for the Gipper)) Ruby Graduated High School in 2009 - along with my Daughter. Proud and Loud. Yes she did. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Starlit on June 12, 2010, 04:31:32 AM Can someone point me to a link where the parents were not invited to the science fair? Thanks.
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Starlit on June 12, 2010, 04:46:12 AM sorry that quote got in the wrong place... # raceyrin says: June 11, 2010 at 8:54 am Blink, were the parents invited to the talent show ? To my knowledge, they were not, it was for school only. B I am questioning whether the parents were invited to the talent show because why would they announce it outside the school if it was just for students? Just trying to get some facts straight here. And I apologize for all my posts I have messed up on today. I have been spending the last few nights racking my brain with all this. Im going to bed now. Goodnight Kyron, wherever you are buddy. Were gonna get you home! Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: cartfly on June 12, 2010, 05:18:47 AM Tracy I so agree. I can not put my finger on it, but something about the school just does not seem right to me. I guess one thing is that they just went on the next day as if nothing had happened. How can you search a school when it is full of children and teachers? I think I would have been afraid to send my child to school the next day. I offer my thoughts - I agree as well. Something is not right. I have seen one photo of a hallway within Kyron's school. Its quite obvious that this school is small. I can tell by the structure of the hallway itself. My own experience and mind - I myself moved a lot when I was young. I went to 6 different elementary schools. One out of state, the rest in 3 different counties of my home state. My daughter too being in 4 elementary schools. The news has stated there were 300 students in Kyron's school. That to many " is just a handful" of children. 300 sounds like a lot - but its not. I just cannot get over the lack of witnesses. Where the heck was everyone " this was a BUSY Day" Yes. So what. I know when my Daughter had events at her schools - I myself not only looked forward to my Daughter's experience but I was looking out for her classmates too. I would look for her classmates to say HI and isn't this GREAT and ask them What they did to participate in the event. It was Big and exciting. For the Class and the Teacher to represent " As the Class and As the Individual within" the Class. You as MOM step in and give the TEACHER a HUG and say - This is Awesome! When my Daughter was in elementary - I worked full time. I at times worked over an hour away drive time- from her school. She was latch key. Drop off prior to school started and picked up after school sessions ended. I never though did not have a relationship with her Teachers. I always had a connection to her teachers. I volunteered for School Trips and when I was able to go - I was IN it ..I was not just the ave parent .. a I am here because I have to be. I got into it. I was right in there with the kids. Lets Have FUN. Lets Make this a Moment of a lifetime experience. My Daughter to this Day .. at almost 20yrs old ..says she has met up with some kids from her past. From her Elementary days ..and they always say YOUR MOM was so Fun and she really made our trips worthy. I remember Your Mom. That is the greatest Gift you can give another Child. Is YOU Count as Important and to add the message Cherish this Moment - Make it Worthy. One trip I recall, I chaperoned 6 children within my Daughter's class - I was given 6 children under me. We went to Greenfield Village. One of the girls who I was given within my troop, was handicapped. Her name I wont say, but I will call her ( Ruby). She I had known since my Daughter was in first grade. We moved and then came back to the same school. This little Girl was important to my Daughter, they really loved each other. Ruby was a special little girl. Why do I bring her up. Is because a few times I volunteered on a regular day to just hang out .. no event. And I recall the special ed teacher " brought into class, just for Ruby's special needs". Tracygirl can I am sure identify. And I was just that, a watcher, I was open to whatever my daughter's teacher asked me to do. I sat in the back of the room. I watched Ruby and this Teacher. I was appalled by this so called special teacher. Ruby was fine, she was just herself. This teacher talked to Ruby as if she was " stupid" " ignorant" and less than human. I bit my lip and never said a word - I left after that day. But BOY Oh Boy did I voice the Next Day. I was heard loud and clear. Ruby was mine within this trip of Greenfield Village. She had a hard time keeping up with everyone. Not because she was incapable. But because her Mom sent her with a brand new pair of leather shoes ..that were not broken in. So I told Ruby .. take them off. I said I will stuff your shoes in my purse. She was all upset because she was wearing white tights/that they would be ruined. I said to her, It's okay. I will get you a new pair of tights. Your Mom won't care about your tights. I kept this little girl right next to me - but allowed her to experience everything she wanted. She held my hand 90% of the time. Would not let go of my hand. We were 7 paces behind everyone. My Daughter was within this group of six and she said MOM ... I am so glad your with Ruby and they didn't bring in her special teacher. All the kids within the group of 6 were engaged - with Her. OMG Did you see that? Did you look ? Hugging her and grabbing her and laughing. She Ruby was having a great time. The kids within the classroom did not like this " special teacher either". Why did no one else see this? Adults? I don't offer any blame to Ruby's MOM because I know this special teacher had quite the reputation of being a strong arm - she was older and thought she was the Cats azz. I knew Ruby's Mom. I had been to her house. Sweet Loving Incredible Woman - Ruby's Mother, Ruby's Dad too ~ Good People. I wonder within Kyron's class - WHO was invited or even present for reasons .. on a day to day or - volunteer basis. All these photo's released of Kyron are him at school. Who took these photos? I notice his hair is of all different lengths and he has teeth and then some missing ( his age progression) .. Why are the photo's all at school? Who was near him? Who participated within his classroom activities? Who was his watcher ? Something is screaming at me and all - this has ties to his school. Some ppl can be right before your eyes and not be a mention until someone points them out. Just saying. ** for TG not only did I talk to Ruby's Mom, I talked to the primary Teacher and wrote a letter. I will not stand by and watch a beautiful special needs child - be taken advantage of by someone hired in " due to their credentials". To condemn a child from their spirit or uphold their education using verbal abuse. This special needs teacher was let go after that year - she was no longer needed nor necessity for Ruby's education. (( One for the Gipper)) Ruby Graduated High School in 2009 - along with my Daughter. Proud and Loud. Yes she did. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: cartfly on June 12, 2010, 05:28:01 AM No disrespect to you Tracy, just my opinion but to me bio-mom and step-dad showed deep genuine emotion. But I didn't get that from step-mom or bio Dad. I got really weird vibes from step-mom, I can't explain it and it could be absolutely nothing. Their odd behavior could be because LE has told them something about the case that no one else knows or worse. I don't know, but something just is not right here. This was my initial impression and I could be way out in left field on this.
What was your first impression of each parent? I know all step parents are different. Some bond with their step children and some don't. My step mother talked the talk in front of the people she had to, but it wasn't genuine. On the other hand I have known step-parents that have step kids and you would never know that they weren't the biological parent. I guess it just depends on the person. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Itaryl Moosee on June 12, 2010, 12:26:07 PM I had a dream last night, and this is what I saw.
First, a lady dressed in purple with "big hair," maybe a costume? Then something like sprays of water or steam, like those used for painting cars, or maybe sprinklers (don't know.) Then there was water, clear greenish-type water that seemed to bubble. The water was clear but had a green chartreuse tinge to it and the water was moving as if it was bubbling. In the middle of this water was a deeper hole that was sand colored, not greenish. I searched for bubbling waters in the Portland area, and only found reference to some fountains that were placed in town by some person in the early 1900s because the people in town were drunk all the time and the reason was because there was no water in town, so this guy donated the fountains. I'm not local, and never have traveled west of Dallas, Tx. So, I don't know the area and not sure if that dream means anything to anyone. But, this morning I was checking other BB and found this picture which is very similar to the dream I had, so I see there may be no meaning... just a picture of him by a pool. http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Kyron%20Horman%20%20-OR-/kyron2009.jpg Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Wyks on June 12, 2010, 01:23:57 PM Have you read Blink's article and the comments that follow? I highly recommend you do so, all of it is very eye-opening, IMO. And for me, helps to see this case in a whole new light. Please make sure to click on 'older comments' and 'newer comments'.
http://blinkoncrime.com/2010/06/07/kyron-horman-missing-and-endangered-search-intensifies-for-missing-7-yeard-old-portland-boy/ (http://blinkoncrime.com/2010/06/07/kyron-horman-missing-and-endangered-search-intensifies-for-missing-7-yeard-old-portland-boy/) Here are some of the comments & Blink's replies.. ya gotta read the rest tho: ClassyGal says: June 11, 2010 at 9:47 am Isn’t it possible that he went with someone he knew……. like his biological mother? His Mother was not in town, and was not until she was alerted to his disappearance. I am positive it was someone he knew. (response from Blink) From an overwhelming statistical perspective, this baby was the victim of a known offender, for sexual motivation, and the fact that the parents have been accompanied by a deputy 24/7 since it started, tells me they have a suspect, and the parents know who it is as well. B Twinkletoes says: June 11, 2010 at 9:52 am And I think it would be super easy to lure a little guy like him out to a car or to the woods to show him more frogs. But wouldn’t someone have seen this? It just seems that the only possibility of no one seeing what happened to this little guy involves an unfortunately timed trip to the bathroom and a predator waiting to conceal him and remove him from the premises. If he wasn’t concealed, then someone would have seen him leave. I went to a k-8 school and my kids have gone to a k-8. By the time you are in 2nd grade, everyone knows you. Someone would have seen him leave. Wouldn’t they? (response from Blink) Not if he was “in something”, and sadly, not if nobody is looking. There is only one way in and out of the school, and there are no cameras. The likelihood that this is an employee or volunteer of this school is very high, I am choking myself out of not just coming out and saying “the suspect is the man that has not been on the job since early this week.” I despise these cases. I did not know when I went on my rant about pedophiles on Dana’s show last week, it was prophetic. B ClassyGal says: June 11, 2010 at 11:50 am Sorry Blink……. HERE is the link to the staff members… http://www.skylinek8.org/?q=/directory (response from Blink) Thank you Classy, I should have clarified as you could not see Twinkletoes post, I was looking for staff not on the roster, but the maintnence staff, which is not employess of the school, but at outside property mgt. group. B ~~~~ We realized that LE must have info they aren't telling us yet, for a variety of reasons. Remember, in one of the pressers around the third/fourth day, it was said (something to the effect of).. 'nearly all the staff have been questioned', leaving one to wonder why all hadn't been questioned by that time. Who worked at the school that has been been absent for so many days? And why hasn't LE moved in on that person, what are they waiting for? If they know the who, then why have and continue to have the dad and stepmom under 24/7 escort? Why continue to search and request donations to pour in if they pretty much know the who/when? Seems to me if they know the who/when then they would also know the where/what as well. C'mon FBI, gather a raiding crew, bust down the walls and get Kyron to safety! Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tracygirl on June 12, 2010, 02:47:40 PM No disrespect to you Tracy, just my opinion but to me bio-mom and step-dad showed deep genuine emotion. But I didn't get that from step-mom or bio Dad. I got really weird vibes from step-mom, I can't explain it and it could be absolutely nothing. Their odd behavior could be because LE has told them something about the case that no one else knows or worse. I don't know, but something just is not right here. This was my initial impression and I could be way out in left field on this. What was your first impression of each parent? I know all step parents are different. Some bond with their step children and some don't. My step mother talked the talk in front of the people she had to, but it wasn't genuine. On the other hand I have known step-parents that have step kids and you would never know that they weren't the biological parent. I guess it just depends on the person. My first impression of each parent was they were very uncomfortable being up there for everyone to stare at. For days now the step mom has been pretty much blamed for this without really any solid proof other then she walked him close to the classroom and she is the step mom. With her, I take into account there doesn't seem to be a history of abuse, no CPS, no arrest history, she has raised him since he was an infant, he calls her mom, she helped him with such a wonderfully detailed project. To me this shows she loves him, not how much she cried or if she spoke, after all they are just regular people and not used to being the center of a top news story. The mom to me looked beat up and I can only guess it is because she must have regrets. She has not been a full time mom to Kyron, he didn't live with her and I believe I read she just recently, within the last couple of years was in his life. The step dad, to me he looked the strongest up there and that is why he was chosen to speak. He seemed like the one that was helping to keep everyone together but was so sad inside and wanted nothing more then to fix this situation for everyone. The dad, well he looked broken and worried. I think he wants nothing more then to see his son walk to him. I just didn't see that fakeness with them although they did look uncomfortable. So that is my take. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tracygirl on June 12, 2010, 02:54:47 PM Tracy I so agree. I can not put my finger on it, but something about the school just does not seem right to me. I guess one thing is that they just went on the next day as if nothing had happened. How can you search a school when it is full of children and teachers? I think I would have been afraid to send my child to school the next day. Blink had made mention to the fact that LE said they spoke to "most" of the employees of the school. she then pointed out, why only most and not all had been spoken to. My take on it is because someone has not been there. I think she is looking at janitors and people like that? I wonder if it could be a substitute person or a person that was working on a project at the school such as the landscaping that was going on. Apparently it was something that was a big deal at the school. I know schools do not check out people that come to the school that work for other companies. That is where the flaw is, in my opinion. I suppose then there is the chance it was a woman luring a child for someone. i.e Tori Strafford. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tracygirl on June 12, 2010, 03:06:29 PM Moose that is strange you found the pic so close to what your dream had mentioned. You had not seen the pic prior to finding it today? What do you know about that pic? Where was it taken?
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: cartfly on June 12, 2010, 03:26:42 PM No disrespect to you Tracy, just my opinion but to me bio-mom and step-dad showed deep genuine emotion. But I didn't get that from step-mom or bio Dad. I got really weird vibes from step-mom, I can't explain it and it could be absolutely nothing. Their odd behavior could be because LE has told them something about the case that no one else knows or worse. I don't know, but something just is not right here. This was my initial impression and I could be way out in left field on this. What was your first impression of each parent? I know all step parents are different. Some bond with their step children and some don't. My step mother talked the talk in front of the people she had to, but it wasn't genuine. On the other hand I have known step-parents that have step kids and you would never know that they weren't the biological parent. I guess it just depends on the person. My first impression of each parent was they were very uncomfortable being up there for everyone to stare at. For days now the step mom has been pretty much blamed for this without really any solid proof other then she walked him close to the classroom and she is the step mom. With her, I take into account there doesn't seem to be a history of abuse, no CPS, no arrest history, she has raised him since he was an infant, he calls her mom, she helped him with such a wonderfully detailed project. To me this shows she loves him, not how much she cried or if she spoke, after all they are just regular people and not used to being the center of a top news story. The mom to me looked beat up and I can only guess it is because she must have regrets. She has not been a full time mom to Kyron, he didn't live with her and I believe I read she just recently, within the last couple of years was in his life. The step dad, to me he looked the strongest up there and that is why he was chosen to speak. He seemed like the one that was helping to keep everyone together but was so sad inside and wanted nothing more then to fix this situation for everyone. The dad, well he looked broken and worried. I think he wants nothing more then to see his son walk to him. I just didn't see that fakeness with them although they did look uncomfortable. So that is my take. I find myself contradicting myself every day with this case. I keep getting on and off the fence on this one. It is so baffling (sp?) One of things that also concerned me and maybe it has nothing to do with this but when I read Terri's facebook she had posted awhile back about an incident involving her sister and husband of another race. (interracial relationship) She spoke about an incident where the couple had been targeted because of this and Terri was quite upset that people were still so racist and intolerant of interracial relationships. So maybe this would explain the why Terri appeared so nervous. This could explain to why LE is with them 24/7. Either way, I am so consumed with this little guy and just want him to come home safely. He seems like such a bright little guy with so much potential. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: cartfly on June 12, 2010, 03:33:55 PM Tracy I so agree. I can not put my finger on it, but something about the school just does not seem right to me. I guess one thing is that they just went on the next day as if nothing had happened. How can you search a school when it is full of children and teachers? I think I would have been afraid to send my child to school the next day. Blink had made mention to the fact that LE said they spoke to "most" of the employees of the school. she then pointed out, why only most and not all had been spoken to. My take on it is because someone has not been there. I think she is looking at janitors and people like that? I wonder if it could be a substitute person or a person that was working on a project at the school such as the landscaping that was going on. Apparently it was something that was a big deal at the school. I know schools do not check out people that come to the school that work for other companies. That is where the flaw is, in my opinion. I suppose then there is the chance it was a woman luring a child for someone. i.e Tori Strafford. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: cartfly on June 12, 2010, 03:43:25 PM Sheriff's Office: No more donations, please Last Update: 10:54 am PORTLAND, Ore. – The outpouring of support from the community has been so generous, the Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office has asked the public to stop giving donations of food and supplies for the search and rescue workers attempting to find Kyron Horman. Lt. Mary Lindstrand released a statement saying, “due to the sheer volume of supplies received at this point we ask the public to hold back further donations at this time.” At Friday’s press briefing, Captain Monte Reiser said the public can still donate in other ways. “We have established a way for the community to make cash donations to support this search effort,” he said. “Donations to the fund may be made at any Bank of America branch under the name "Kyron Horman Fund." This fund has been officially established by the Multnomah County Sheriff's Office, and is the only fund sponsored by the Sheriff's Office.” According to investigators, Kyron’s step-mom took the second grader to Skyline Elementary School in the morning before classes started. Kyron and his step-mom viewed the science fair at the school for about an hour until 8:45 when Kyron went to class and his step-mom left to do chores for the day. His step-mom waited for Kyron to get off the school bus at 3:45. When Kyron did not get off the bus, the step-mom asked the bus driver where the 7-year-old boy was. When the bus driver told her Kyron was never on the bus, she called Skyline Elementary. The step-mom was told Kyron was marked absent for the day. At 3:56, 911 was called by Skyline Elementary School secretary Susan Hall. Portland Police and Multnomah Sheriff units arrived at Skyline and Kyron’s home at 4:33. The FBI was notified of the missing child between 8:30 and 8:50. http://www.koinlocal6.com/content/news/topstories/story/Sheriffs-Office-No-more-donations-please/Dz4uMChK60KCWjy3W5FG4Q.cspx (http://www.koinlocal6.com/content/news/topstories/story/Sheriffs-Office-No-more-donations-please/Dz4uMChK60KCWjy3W5FG4Q.cspx) Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: cartfly on June 12, 2010, 03:48:27 PM Deenie, the Tori Stafford case is another case of children going with someone who they know (therefore no stranger)... they feel they can be trusted. Bumping, snipped from link:It is just too sad, and a disgrace, the huge epidemic of adult males hurting small innocent children. I hope I get no heat for saying this, because there have been cases in which women have done the same, but statistically the large majority of these crimes are committed by males. Anyway, I found a link to the sheriff's updates, which I think could be helpful: http://www.flashalert.net/news.html?id=1276 Day 9 Afternoon Briefing for the seach Kyron Hormon - 06/12/10 The briefing has been moved from 1200 noon to 2pm. This is being done to provide you with more a detailed briefing. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Itaryl Moosee on June 12, 2010, 04:20:31 PM Tracy, about the picture...
After the dream, I spent two hours early this morning, contemplating whether I should write about it here or not, since I don't know if there is a "dream or vision" thread here, or if someone reading may think I'm "kooky" in the head. So, I went to read in another BB and someone posted pictures (the crankykrank person ;) who hangs around here, too.) When I first saw the picture I didn't think anything of it, then after I loaded the next I had to go back and look... I though, "wait a minute, that water looks a lot like mine looked in the dream." It's MOST probably nothing, but I guess I was destined to find and check that picture today. About a detective being with the family... does anyone know if it's a detective, or a grief-counselor-type person? What I noticed during the press conference, when the families were talking... the step-father talked first, then when it was the father's turn a policeman/detective moved behind them to the right (can be seen on cam.) He then was staring and observing closely the step-mother and father. Maybe this guy just happened to walk in and positioned himself as he should, or for some reason he did. Protecting the family from a threat could cause that move, I would think. About the donations, it's impressive the response from the community!!! I bet that if LE had allowed searches, hundreds of people would've volunteered as well. p.s. I gotta try this option. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: cartfly on June 12, 2010, 04:21:43 PM In case this hasn't been seen yet (photo of hallway/stairs/Kyron's class):
http://photos.oregonlive.com/oregonian/2010/06/kyron_horman_search_attracts_1_3.html (http://photos.oregonlive.com/oregonian/2010/06/kyron_horman_search_attracts_1_3.html) Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: cartfly on June 12, 2010, 04:23:38 PM In case this hasn't been seen yet (photo of hallway/stairs/Kyron's class): http://photos.oregonlive.com/oregonian/2010/06/kyron_horman_search_attracts_1_3.html (http://photos.oregonlive.com/oregonian/2010/06/kyron_horman_search_attracts_1_3.html) Caption for photo at above link: (snipped): Janitor Bill Tandy walks past Kyron Horman's classroom at Skyline Elementary School in the early hours of June 7, 2010. Andrew Burton / The Oregonian Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Itaryl Moosee on June 12, 2010, 04:53:43 PM Cartfly, about that hallway...
I bet there are times during the school day in which one could walk within a few hallways and not see a soul, mainly during class hours. But I'm thinking that the day he disappeared was a crowded day. I bet nobody (including the teachers) could've walked around the school that day, between 8:00am and 8:45am, and not be seen by someone else. I would guess that a perpetrator would not risk being seen while trying to abduct a student. My opinion only. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tracygirl on June 12, 2010, 04:56:01 PM In case this hasn't been seen yet (photo of hallway/stairs/Kyron's class): http://photos.oregonlive.com/oregonian/2010/06/kyron_horman_search_attracts_1_3.html (http://photos.oregonlive.com/oregonian/2010/06/kyron_horman_search_attracts_1_3.html) Thanks for the pic. so his classroom is up a few stairs. It seems from looking at the pic that is not a door but a window or is that an illusion? It says exit but it seems to not go down to the floor, does that make sense? So I wonder how many other classrooms are on that floor. If the teacher was correct and Kyron went to the bathroom and hadn't returned yet, but then they left only for Kyron to find his self alone in that area. That janitor looks to be about a 105 years old, lol. not that age is a consideration but when I thought of janitor I was thinking of a younger, stronger person. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tracygirl on June 12, 2010, 05:02:08 PM Tracy, about the picture... After the dream, I spent two hours early this morning, contemplating whether I should write about it here or not, since I don't know if there is a "dream or vision" thread here, or if someone reading may think I'm "kooky" in the head. So, I went to read in another BB and someone posted pictures (the crankykrank person ;) who hangs around here, too.) When I first saw the picture I didn't think anything of it, then after I loaded the next I had to go back and look... I though, "wait a minute, that water looks a lot like mine looked in the dream." It's MOST probably nothing, but I guess I was destined to find and check that picture today. About a detective being with the family... does anyone know if it's a detective, or a grief-counselor-type person? What I noticed during the press conference, when the families were talking... the step-father talked first, then when it was the father's turn a policeman/detective moved behind them to the right (can be seen on cam.) He then was staring and observing closely the step-mother and father. Maybe this guy just happened to walk in and positioned himself as he should, or for some reason he did. Protecting the family from a threat could cause that move, I would think. About the donations, it's impressive the response from the community!!! I bet that if LE had allowed searches, hundreds of people would've volunteered as well. p.s. I gotta try this option. I think the power of dreams is something that has not been discovered yet. Every once in awhile I will have a dream that I come to find out later had some relevance. You just never know. I am curious to know where and when that pic was taken. In the baby Gabriel's case I had a dream not that long after he went missing. I wrote about it actually. I was standing in a room and I look down and I find the baby crawling at my feet. I picked him up and handed him back off to his dad. To this day, I am not sure what that was all about but it seemed so real. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tracygirl on June 12, 2010, 05:03:20 PM Deenie, I read your post and wanted to respond to you with a great big hug ((((((((hug)))))))) you are a sweet person who will someday find great rewards for your kindness. Bless you
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Itaryl Moosee on June 12, 2010, 05:41:19 PM Apparently the news conference is done. I'm plagiarizing this from another board.
Mods: delete if inappropriate. Cap'n Shultz: Yesterday we had the family up here, they gave statements thanking the community. That was very, very stressful for the family. Very difficult. But, we asked for a few simple questions (note: email acct was closed at 11am local today).. we did get a number of questions, five came up over and over again. Yet another added stress for the family, but I told them it would be good for them. What is Kyron's favorite color? Red, as it turns out. What is Kyron like? What is his standout attribute. Very quiet & loving. Warmth & enthusiasm. Bootsie is the 'security' cat (pet). Kyron likes playing with the cat. Ernie is their canine (dog to the rest of us, lol) Quick witted & makes any situation funny. Looks up to his big brothers. What does Kyron want to be when he grows up? A police investigator/detective. What was Kyron looking Kyron IS looking forward to his annual trip (Shasta Lake), Seaside OR new fishing pole.. camping & fishing trips The tshirts family wore yesterday. Collaboration with Lithia (Medford car dealer) and.. XX? Was Kyron in a good mood the AM he disappeared. He was very excited about his diorama that he & his DAD have been working on. Kyron did a lot of it himself. Shultz has 2 more questions to answer. Why is the family not helping out in the search. Family did take some steps, plus called the police. Family became exhausted by that evening. Had done everything *they* could do.. needed LE resources. LE needs them to be close and available to help professional searchers. Preparing family for a long-term event. (again with the 'our boy' from Shultz) :blink: 2nd Q: Why was the family seen getting out of the house running errands, going to gym etc. The public doesn't have all the information & context. We asked them to keep that balance in their lives. Family says we can't maintain 'normal' activity because 'normal' includes Kyron! Family has been bringing a regular rotation of friends to the house to help them. I don't know when the family is going to be able to come back up here (to answer Qs). It's a day by day thing now. They do thank you for assisting them.. keep the focus on Kyron. Turning back to Cap'n Riser. We don't want to disclose specific search area because we are having a LOT of interference. Distracts searchers. We are trying to keep the media away. Did parents speaking affect # of tips? Tips at this point are very manageable. The increase in tips has not been overwhelming. Have you heard from anyone today, who's been out & about? I haven't checked tip desk lately. Won't talk about details of search. (SAR Olsen speaking) Over 300 boots on ground/SAR today. Trying to keep team at a manageable size. All areas are flooded right now. Some areas require 3 different types of search.. dogs, feet, feet again Over the years, cougar, bear, coyote have been reported in the area. (NOT recently) Overwhelmed with generosity of donations food/water (my paraphrase) Keep your eyes & ears open. How long can you keep up the current pace? I don't know. We are going to go full steam ahead until we feel we can't anymore. Do you feel like every day you are making headway? Absolutely! Because we know every day where he is not and feel we are getting closer to where he IS. No idea (as searchers) where he is. We have to look at all possibilities. Actively looking for Kyron alive. Is the case moving in the direction of a criminal case? Olsen: not for me. other guy: it's *an* investigation. Reports of river dredging? Whenever you do any search...blah blah. End. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: cartfly on June 12, 2010, 06:09:38 PM In case this hasn't been seen yet (photo of hallway/stairs/Kyron's class): http://photos.oregonlive.com/oregonian/2010/06/kyron_horman_search_attracts_1_3.html (http://photos.oregonlive.com/oregonian/2010/06/kyron_horman_search_attracts_1_3.html) Thanks for the pic. so his classroom is up a few stairs. It seems from looking at the pic that is not a door but a window or is that an illusion? It says exit but it seems to not go down to the floor, does that make sense? So I wonder how many other classrooms are on that floor. If the teacher was correct and Kyron went to the bathroom and hadn't returned yet, but then they left only for Kyron to find his self alone in that area. That janitor looks to be about a 105 years old, lol. not that age is a consideration but when I thought of janitor I was thinking of a younger, stronger person. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: cartfly on June 12, 2010, 06:13:03 PM Apparently the news conference is done. I'm plagiarizing this from another board. Mods: delete if inappropriate. Cap'n Shultz: Yesterday we had the family up here, they gave statements thanking the community. That was very, very stressful for the family. Very difficult. But, we asked for a few simple questions (note: email acct was closed at 11am local today).. we did get a number of questions, five came up over and over again. Yet another added stress for the family, but I told them it would be good for them. What is Kyron's favorite color? Red, as it turns out. What is Kyron like? What is his standout attribute. Very quiet & loving. Warmth & enthusiasm. Bootsie is the 'security' cat (pet). Kyron likes playing with the cat. Ernie is their canine (dog to the rest of us, lol) Quick witted & makes any situation funny. Looks up to his big brothers. What does Kyron want to be when he grows up? A police investigator/detective. What was Kyron looking Kyron IS looking forward to his annual trip (Shasta Lake), Seaside OR new fishing pole.. camping & fishing trips The tshirts family wore yesterday. Collaboration with Lithia (Medford car dealer) and.. XX? Was Kyron in a good mood the AM he disappeared. He was very excited about his diorama that he & his DAD have been working on. Kyron did a lot of it himself. Shultz has 2 more questions to answer. Why is the family not helping out in the search. Family did take some steps, plus called the police. Family became exhausted by that evening. Had done everything *they* could do.. needed LE resources. LE needs them to be close and available to help professional searchers. Preparing family for a long-term event. (again with the 'our boy' from Shultz) :blink: 2nd Q: Why was the family seen getting out of the house running errands, going to gym etc. The public doesn't have all the information & context. We asked them to keep that balance in their lives. Family says we can't maintain 'normal' activity because 'normal' includes Kyron! Family has been bringing a regular rotation of friends to the house to help them. I don't know when the family is going to be able to come back up here (to answer Qs). It's a day by day thing now. They do thank you for assisting them.. keep the focus on Kyron. Turning back to Cap'n Riser. We don't want to disclose specific search area because we are having a LOT of interference. Distracts searchers. We are trying to keep the media away. Did parents speaking affect # of tips? Tips at this point are very manageable. The increase in tips has not been overwhelming. Have you heard from anyone today, who's been out & about? I haven't checked tip desk lately. Won't talk about details of search. (SAR Olsen speaking) Over 300 boots on ground/SAR today. Trying to keep team at a manageable size. All areas are flooded right now. Some areas require 3 different types of search.. dogs, feet, feet again Over the years, cougar, bear, coyote have been reported in the area. (NOT recently) Overwhelmed with generosity of donations food/water (my paraphrase) Keep your eyes & ears open. How long can you keep up the current pace? I don't know. We are going to go full steam ahead until we feel we can't anymore. Do you feel like every day you are making headway? Absolutely! Because we know every day where he is not and feel we are getting closer to where he IS. No idea (as searchers) where he is. We have to look at all possibilities. Actively looking for Kyron alive. Is the case moving in the direction of a criminal case? Olsen: not for me. other guy: it's *an* investigation. Reports of river dredging? Whenever you do any search...blah blah. End. Sounds like they are no closer than day one to me and they are checking out all tips so they can say they didn't rule anything out or dismissed anything. I think they are as clueless as we are...... Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: cartfly on June 12, 2010, 06:19:05 PM Cartfly, about that hallway... I completely agree with all of your thoughts. I am thinking everyone was excited about the days activities and school closing soon that they were a little more laid back. I see that in my sons school with the teachers when holiday breaks are approaching or during the approach of summer break. The teachers are anxious as the kids for their summer break. And homework is scaled down, maybe not as many test as normal. I hope this makes sense.I bet there are times during the school day in which one could walk within a few hallways and not see a soul, mainly during class hours. But I'm thinking that the day he disappeared was a crowded day. I bet nobody (including the teachers) could've walked around the school that day, between 8:00am and 8:45am, and not be seen by someone else. I would guess that a perpetrator would not risk being seen while trying to abduct a student. My opinion only. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: cartfly on June 12, 2010, 06:29:30 PM snipped from http://www.pps.k12.or.us/schools-c/profiles/?id=186 (http://www.pps.k12.or.us/schools-c/profiles/?id=186)
Skyline 11536 NW Skyline Blvd. Portland, OR 97231 View a map of the surrounding area Phone: 503-916-5212 Fax: 503-916-2765 E-mail: bkeefer@pps.k12.or.us School-created web pages: http://www.pps.k12.or.us/schools/skyline Grade levels: K-8 Principal: Ben Keefer Student Enrollment: 294 About: Skyline School, located in the hills overlooking northwest Portland, is a small school with a great community feel. The small-school atmosphere fosters students� social, emotional, physical and intellectual growth to help them develop positive attitudes, self-esteem and lifelong learning skills. Skyline is composed of a community of learners committed to academic excellence within a joyful, stimulating learning environment where cooperation and teamwork are essential. All Skyline students are helped to feel welcome, develop and maintain a lifetime love of learning and fulfill their promise as competent citizens and caring people. A strong focus on literacy and mathematics is integrated with science, social studies and the arts. Students are given specialized instruction in music (vocal and instrumental), as well as physical education and Spanish. Each student�s experience is enhanced by interactions with resident artists, community speakers and parent volunteers. The high achievement of Skyline students is a reflection of a powerful and effective partnership between students, teachers, families and the community. Skyline students may opt to stay at Skyline for 6th�8th grade with 8th grade being added last year. Our 6th�8th grade students are provided with a rich program using the curricula of all PPS middle schools, enhanced by the instructional practices that are the heart of Skyline students� success. Kindergarten: We offer a half-day and full-day fee-for-service kindergarten program. Kindergarten Round-up: February 10, 12:30-1:30 p.m. Childcare: Before and afterschool care provided on site for a fee. Focus options: Skyline is currently a candidate school for the IB PYP and MYP Programmes. Information Sessions: Contact the office. Information sessions are held one-on-one with parents as needed. Feb. 10th- Kindergarten Round Up Jan. 21st- 6th-8th Grade Open House Before and after school programs * Community recreational league soccer and baseball, Girl and Boy Scouts and an assortment of after school art, chess club and other parent/volunteer-run activities occur on a regular basis. * We have a before and after school care program that provides parents with the option of dropping students off as early as 7:00 AM and picking them up as late as 6:00 PM. This is a fee-for-service program that is well established and utilized by many Skyline families. Community partnerships * We are working with several local colleges to provide practicum and student teachers with opportunities to make a difference with our students. Student learning environment * School, community and families form a partnership to build success for each individual child as they become competent and caring world citizens. * Teachers use teaching practices appropriate for each child's stage of development, challenging students to succeed and progress at their individual pace. * Programs target educational goals for the 21st century, including multi-age groupings, cooperative learning, multicultural education and cross-grade partnerships. Curriculum components * A variety of teaching methods help for students with a range of learning styles to succeed. * Active student participation in self-directed learning. * Multi-age classrooms facilitate developmentally appropriate instruction. * Thematic teaching using integrated curriculum helps provide connections for the student between their studies and the \"real world.\" Staff * Ongoing staff development emphasizes integrating new, innovative curriculum to enhance and improve excellence in instructional program. * 9 classroom teachers, educational resource teacher, PE specialist, music specialist, foreign language instruction provided by a Spanish enthusiast and library assistant. Parent and family support * Family involvement helps students succeed and is strongly encouraged. * Families offer support on the PTA, Local School Advisory Committee (LSAC) and Skyline's School Improvement Council. * Family members coordinate a variety of school activities such as carnival, auction and corn fest. They also assist with health screenings, volunteer in classrooms and the library, help us to offer a variety of after school clubs and assist with general school needs. Special programs and features * Our staff of dedicated professionals use the rural setting of our school and community surroundings to extend children's learning experiences beyond the four walls of the classroom. * Students with special needs are included in regular classrooms with support from our resource teacher. * Active family and community involvement coordinates and implements activities to enrich and extend the curriculum. Statistics and test scores Report cards and AYP Scores Oregon Department of Education school report cards School Enrollment and Program Data Assessment Test Results Course syllabus * 2009-10 course syllabus Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: cartfly on June 12, 2010, 06:40:06 PM Not sure if this had been posted or not:
Support helps Skyline carry on 6/11/2010 12:00:00 AM Skyline safe room Counselor Ariana Altieri works with students including third-grader Audrey McDonald in the safe room at Skyline K-8 School. Across Portland Public Schools, employees, families and community members are wrapping their arms around Skyline K-8 School. “Everybody wants to do something" in the aftermath of second-grader Kyron Horman's disappearance Friday, June 4, says Skyline Principal Ben Keefer. "There’s just a whole lot of support.” West-side schools, led by Forest Park Elementary School Principal Kevin Crotchett, mobilized Monday with lunch delivered daily to the Skyline staff. More than 15 counselors from across the district immediately stepped up to staff a PPS counseling hotline and to be in the safe room at Skyline to support those in need, including Korinna Wolfe, who manages the school district’s teen parents services program. “It’s hard for students to sit in class while this is on their mind,” Wolfe says. “What’s wonderful is how they support each other. If a student is struggling to describe a feeling, another steps in to give it voice.” Just outside the school, a row of television news trucks point their satellites skyward. A police officer is stationed prominently inside the school’s entrance, and fluorescent signs point toward the safe room. But the hustle-and-bustle of a working K-8 school is clearly felt. Susan Hall, who's served as the school's secretary for 15 years, notes the unspoken support among staff and families: “They give each other a look that says, ‘We don’t have to talk, we understand each other.’ There’s been a lot of hand-holding and pats on the back.” Staff move quickly As the investigation launched, custodians Selim Masic from Lewis Elementary School (previously at Skyline) and Skyline custodian Bill Tandy worked 12-hour shifts to cover the school's operational needs. Central departments also jumped in starting the evening of June 4 as staff members returned to work to provide information and support to authorities searching for Kyron. On Sunday, June 6, the deputy superintendents and Nick Jwayad, chief information officer, began pulling together Information Technology, System Planning & Performance, and Human Resources managers and staff to get an autodialer system up and running for all schools to report unexcused absences to families in a timely manner. The team implemented the autodialer for all schools by Tuesday afternoon. IT’s efforts included the work of Stacey Partin and the eSIS support team members, who personally offered training and guidance to every school that was not using the autodialer to ease the transition to a new system so late in the school year. Meanwhile, Matt Shelby, public information officer, worked through the weekend and throughout the week fielding calls and handling interviews with an increasingly wider circle of media outlets including CNN, the "Today Show," "Good Morning America" and MSNBC. Community members turn out in force “People across the city are asking what they can do to help,” says Hall, the school secretary. “Portland has rallied around us.” Among the helpers are individuals from nearby Brooks Hill Historic Church, who provided space for media to set up at the request of rescue authorities, and Sweet Tomatoes restaurant owners, who donated food to staff. Nike volunteers will participate in the Skyline field day on Monday, June 14. On Tuesday, the last day of school, organizations and individuals are teaming up with Keefer and his staff to put on a special student assembly at Skyline. They are: * Portland Trail Blazers * Martell Webster Foundation * Portland Timbers * K-103 Radio (Clear Channel) * Nike * Starbucks * Papa Murphy’s Pizza * WalMart * Musician Michael Allen Harrison and the Snowman Foundation “I am proud of how PPS employees and our community partners mobilize in a crisis," says Superintendent Carole Smith. "Now it is our fervent hope for Kyron’s safe return.” http://www.pps.k12.or.us/news/3919.htm (http://www.pps.k12.or.us/news/3919.htm) Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tracygirl on June 12, 2010, 06:44:07 PM http://www.greatschools.org/school/parentReviews.page?id=927&state=OR&sortBy=dd&pager.offset=0
Great schools offers some independent insight on the school. There are also parent reviews listed. One in particular I found ironic.... We love Skyline.There are many e/c activities to choose from: soccer, basketball, baseball, music, Science, Scouts, Outdoor Club, etc.The teachers, staff, and parents are all extremely dedicated to the education/well being of our kids. When you look around at Skyline, the kids are happy and accepting of eachother. The teachers know everyone's names, and your child doesn't get lost in the crowd like at a larger school. We chose to live here because Skyline is our neighborhood school. Submitted by a parent Write your own review Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tracygirl on June 12, 2010, 07:35:45 PM a few stats from great schools.
students per teacher 17:1 Not particularly a diverse school 82% of the students are white. (not that it means anything.) So the teacher had 17 students in her class yet she was so out of sorts with it being hectic she misplaced one? I don't mean to sound as though I am not appreciative of teachers, they work hard but their main responsibilities are the children. It seems completely unacceptable to me, that he was marked absent that day. She had 17 students! my sons school the ratio is 34:1 yet she kept track of them all. These are 2nd graders, not 7th graders. That day, or so it seems she relied on assumptions. If you think about it, she left him behind if she believed he was in the bathroom. Sorry I just don't see that day being that hectic. See the thing is and this is what gets me, Kyron had been there since 8:00 AM, 45 min walking around with this step mom, looking at the exhibits, as well as his own. He didn't just arrive at the school, he had been there. The step mom knows the staff, it was said she sometimes subbed there which leads me to believe she knew some of the students as well. Given the teacher said, well maybe he was in the bathroom or left for an appointment leads me to my assumptions she probably had seen him too. So I think given this child is missing it is fair to ask the question, was the teacher just being negligent of her responsibility or was she stalling the search efforts? In my opinion, if a person takes a child out of the school environment they take a huge risk that in about 5 min after they take said child a huge search would take place. So it seems to do such a brazen thing, they would need to have some kind of control over the situation. With the teacher seeming to be non shallant about the his not being in class that morning, it makes me wonder thats all. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Itaryl Moosee on June 12, 2010, 07:42:21 PM The sheriff has updated their webpage.
I CANNOT see the parents questions thing or the request for video from June 3 and June 4 from the businesses. Can someone work with this? http://www.flashalert.net/news.html?id=1276 http://www.flashalertnewswire.net/images/news/2010-06/1276/36006/Horman_Family_Statements_June_12.doc http://www.flashalertnewswire.net/images/news/2010-06/1276/36006/Request_for_Video_Footage.doc Both are .doc and won't open in my puter. :( Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tracygirl on June 12, 2010, 07:45:18 PM Is this what you wanted?
News Releases Day 9 MCSO 1400 Brieifng Regarding the Continuing Search for Kyron Horman - 06/12/10 June 12, 2010 1400 Briefing Capt. Monte Reiser Good Afternoon. I'm Capt Monte Reiser of the Multnomah County Sheriffs Office, Incident Commander for this operational period in the continuing search for Kyron Horman. During yesterday's briefing there was a question about community involvement. We again want to urge you to familiarize yourselves with pictures and information regarding Kyron, available both on our website at www.mcso.us, and at our media site at www.flashalert.net/news.html?id=1276 With the change in weather, and Rose Festival activities in full swing, more people out and about today with knowledge of Kyron's image and clothing will create an even greater search opportunity. Also, we had a question yesterday regarding our tip line and an issue with busy signals, and I want to reiterate our tip line is up and running, please be familiar with the tip line along with the images of Kyron. We urge you to program the tip line number, 503-261-2847 into your phones for immediate contact with us in the event you see or find anything that may lead us closer us to finding Kyron. The search continues today with teams out in the field acting on information received to date, and expanding into previously unsearched areas, with nearly 300 searchers in the field. This is the natural progression of search operations of this nature. The searchers continue to be energetic, and will continue until we've done what we feel needs to be done. We want to thank the community here and across the country for their tremendous support of this operation to date. Our drop off sites have received an overwhelming amount of supplies for our search effort, so much in fact that we need to ask the public to hold off making any further donations for now, until such time as we have a need for further donations. We will notify you as soon as the need arises, and we again can't thank you enough for your support. We also wanted to clarify that cash donations toward supporting the continuing search efforts are still being accepted through Bank of America, under the "Kyron Horman Fund." These donations are to help pay for the costs of search and rescue operations only. Statements from the Horman Family in response to questions submitted by the media are attached to this briefing update. A request for recorded video footage of roads in the vicinity of Skyline Elementary School is also attached. This request is to seek additional video to add to that already collected. Attached Media Files: Horman Family Statements June 12 , Request for Video Footage June 12 Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tracygirl on June 12, 2010, 07:50:25 PM I can't get the other 2 to open. My guess is their server is bogged down. i will try later if no one has had luck by then
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Itaryl Moosee on June 12, 2010, 08:21:09 PM One thing has been puzzling me.
It's the fact that nobody saw the boy after 8:45am, and it was the SM who says she last saw him. According to the statements published when he first disappeared, she brought him to school around 8:00am. They went into his home-room (or he went by himself?) and he put the book bag and jacket on his seat. Then his SM and him went to check his project. There have been stories of his project being inside his classroom. There have been stories of his project being in the gym. If his project was inside his classroom, why did he and his SM went out of the room after seeing the project and taking the picture? - reports say he never came back to his classroom. If his project was in the gym, was the SM and Kyron seen by anyone else, and if so... when did they leave? I wonder if there is a possibility that after looking at his project they both left the school together. There were reports of someone seeing Kyron later on in the morning in school. But, the person could be mistaken or lying. Let's stress that nobody but that person saw him that morning. Why did nobody else saw him? Of course, we have no information that says one way or another. Now the police is asking for videotape for June 3 and June 4!!! Why June 3rd??? Could it be that hey suspect someone was casing the school or area? Are they giving credibility to the white truck seen twice that day? Do they want to check for Kyron in the tapes? Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: cookie on June 12, 2010, 08:26:09 PM I really have no clue or any ideas if this step mom is anything but a loving mom to Kyron..but does anyone know for sure that Kyron was actually left at the school when mom left? do we know for sure that he did not leave with mom? like I say, I have no reason at all to suspect mom of anything other than telling the truth..but this question did come to my mind early on when he first went missing...what are the chances of someone just coming into the school at that precise moment and taking this child without someone seeing them? or a child wandering away without someone not noticing it? I realize it happens every day however strange it is...I just don't know what to make of this whole thing...really really puzzling as to what happened to this little child...
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: cookie on June 12, 2010, 08:28:12 PM One thing has been puzzling me. It's the fact that nobody saw the boy after 8:45am, and it was the SM who says she last saw him. According to the statements published when he first disappeared, she brought him to school around 8:00am. They went into his home-room (or he went by himself?) and he put the book bag and jacket on his seat. Then his SM and him went to check his project. There have been stories of his project being inside his classroom. There have been stories of his project being in the gym. If his project was inside his classroom, why did he and his SM went out of the room after seeing the project and taking the picture? - reports say he never came back to his classroom. If his project was in the gym, was the SM and Kyron seen by anyone else, and if so... when did they leave? I wonder if there is a possibility that after looking at his project they both left the school together. There were reports of someone seeing Kyron later on in the morning in school. But, the person could be mistaken or lying. Let's stress that nobody but that person saw him that morning. Why did nobody else saw him? Of course, we have no information that says one way or another. Now the police is asking for videotape for June 3 and June 4!!! Why June 3rd??? Could it be that hey suspect someone was casing the school or area? Are they giving credibility to the white truck seen twice that day? Do they want to check for Kyron in the tapes? I think that you and I were having the same thoughts! ????? were we? Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: JessStar on June 12, 2010, 08:39:46 PM Wow. This case has me baffled. There's got to be more to it.
Someone in an earlier post indicated that this wasn't a particularly diverse school (82% white). Be careful quoting statistics like that. That number is roughly equal to the diversity of Portland itself. So it would appear that it is a pretty good reflection of the racial diversity of the area. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Itaryl Moosee on June 12, 2010, 08:40:09 PM Yup, Cookie.
Of course, we can only hope that we are wrong. But, too often weirder things have happened. We have no word of possible infidelity/divorce/home situation? Money problems? Sibling jelousy? Mental illness? Again, I am hoping that is NOT the case. -------- I can't get those two links with .doc to open either. So, I snatched another from WS BB: "The Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office is requesting recorded video images that may have been recorded from store fronts, private residences, security or any other surveillance recording for June 3, 2010 and June 4 2010 to add to current video collected in the continuing search for Kyron Horman. Video is sought specifically of vehicular traffic from the following locations: NW Cornelius Pass Rd NW Germantown Rd NW Logie Trail Rd NW Rocky Point Rd NW Skyline Rd NW 185th Ave NW West Union Rd NW Springville Rd Bethany Blvd NW Springville Rd NW Newberry Rd NW McNamee Rd Highway 30 from NW Rock Point to NW Germantown Rd NW Kaiser Rd NW Thompson Rd NW Laidlaw Rd. Anyone possessing recorded video capturing the areas listed above on June 3rd or June 4th is urged to contact our tip line at 503-261-2847 and leave your name, contact information, preserve the recording and identify the specific location or street address of the video footage." That's like the whole town! Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: cookie on June 12, 2010, 08:46:04 PM hi Jess! how are ya doing friend?
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Starlit on June 12, 2010, 08:47:08 PM VANCOUVER, Wash. -- A Vancouver family said they're attracting attention because their little boy has a striking resemblance to Kyron Horman, a missing second-grader. Members of the Elliott family said they've gotten dirty looks and have even been followed when they're out with their son Talin. "I felt like people were looking at me personally as a bad guy because I had him with me. This isn't Kyron. This is just a look-a-like," said Marcus Elliott, Talin's father. "I don't feel like we can go anywhere without people watching us and wondering." The attention has them concerned for their son's safety. "It is getting scary. We're afraid of him going to school -- Is someone going to let him go? Or is he going to get stopped?" said the boy's mother, Tarin Elliott. The Vancouver family said they understand the public is on alert for Kyron, but want to make it clear their little boy isn't the missing 7-year-old. "I don't blame them, but I just want to get the word out that this isn't the boy," Marcus Talin said. http://www.kptv.com/news/23881699/detail.html# Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tracygirl on June 12, 2010, 08:51:25 PM There were witness accounts of the SM leaving the school without Kyron and also the last sighting of him was at 9:00AM that morning near the south exit, le will not say who he was with if anyone.
It is my understanding and I get this from articles and comments, the two went into the classroom to drop off the bookbag and jacket and then left to the area that the exhibits were in. They walked around there for a while, looking at Kyrons and others projects then at 8:45 she walked him back to his classroom, leaving him a few steps from the classroom door, he said he was going to class. That was her last time seeing him. Apparently others had seen him after that per the pressers that LE has held. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tracygirl on June 12, 2010, 08:54:13 PM VANCOUVER, Wash. -- A Vancouver family said they're attracting attention because their little boy has a striking resemblance to Kyron Horman, a missing second-grader. Members of the Elliott family said they've gotten dirty looks and have even been followed when they're out with their son Talin. "I felt like people were looking at me personally as a bad guy because I had him with me. This isn't Kyron. This is just a look-a-like," said Marcus Elliott, Talin's father. "I don't feel like we can go anywhere without people watching us and wondering." The attention has them concerned for their son's safety. "It is getting scary. We're afraid of him going to school -- Is someone going to let him go? Or is he going to get stopped?" said the boy's mother, Tarin Elliott. The Vancouver family said they understand the public is on alert for Kyron, but want to make it clear their little boy isn't the missing 7-year-old. "I don't blame them, but I just want to get the word out that this isn't the boy," Marcus Talin said. http://www.kptv.com/news/23881699/detail.html# Wow they do look alike! Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tracygirl on June 12, 2010, 08:56:44 PM Wow. This case has me baffled. There's got to be more to it. Someone in an earlier post indicated that this wasn't a particularly diverse school (82% white). Be careful quoting statistics like that. That number is roughly equal to the diversity of Portland itself. So it would appear that it is a pretty good reflection of the racial diversity of the area. Jess I posted that and by it I said, not that has anything to do with anything (or something to that effect.) It was posted along with another statistic from Great schools. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Sister on June 12, 2010, 08:58:01 PM Wow. This case has me baffled. There's got to be more to it. Someone in an earlier post indicated that this wasn't a particularly diverse school (82% white). Be careful quoting statistics like that. That number is roughly equal to the diversity of Portland itself. So it would appear that it is a pretty good reflection of the racial diversity of the area. Thanks JessStar for pointing that out about the diversity. Care should be given when quoting stats to have the complete picture. I am still leaning to an abduction by a non-stranger, but not family. Additionally, if I recall correctly, there have been several articles stating this precious child was seen after 8:45 and it does bother me personally when some assume the person who said this is a liar. But, I'm on high-sensitivity right now and know folks are just speculating, which is fair enough. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: cookie on June 12, 2010, 09:10:29 PM Wow. This case has me baffled. There's got to be more to it. Someone in an earlier post indicated that this wasn't a particularly diverse school (82% white). Be careful quoting statistics like that. That number is roughly equal to the diversity of Portland itself. So it would appear that it is a pretty good reflection of the racial diversity of the area. Thanks JessStar for pointing that out about the diversity. Care should be given when quoting stats to have the complete picture. I am still leaning to an abduction by a non-stranger, but not family. Additionally, if I recall correctly, there have been several articles stating this precious child was seen after 8:45 and it does bother me personally when some assume the person who said this is a liar. But, I'm on high-sensitivity right now and know folks are just speculating, which is fair enough. don't know if anyone is assuming that anyone lied about anything...have not seen that being said.....just asking questions perhaps? and not everyone perhaps has read all the articles..questions are going to be asked of anyone involved with this little child ..that happens in every case usually....there could be some confusion on the times that this child was seen couldn't there? I have no opinion on anyone's truthfulness or anyone's guilt or innocence on this disappearance...I am baffled as well as the next person as to what happened..my only wish is that this little boy is found safe... :) :)xxx Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tracygirl on June 12, 2010, 09:29:25 PM All the stat said was it was 83% white, there is a graph that shows the other races...Not sure what people read into that as it was in the list of stats on the site. That site also has stats on reduced lunch participants, how many 2nd language families, as well as a whole lot of other stats including test scores and state rankings.
As you can recall I didn't say anything regarding that stat but the other one that the student ratio was 17:1. I think it is uncalled for to be told to beware of something. Sorry but I found it a bit condesending. Another poster had made mention regarding a message on the step moms facebook regarding an interacial couple and that poster had concerns if perhaps if that had anything to do with Kyron being missing. It was just information and something I am not sure should be considered off limits for what reasons, I don't know.. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: cartfly on June 12, 2010, 10:04:43 PM One thing has been puzzling me. I also have not seen "when" the project was brought to school and set up. Was it the day before? Kyron would not have been able to transport it by himself to the class alone from his school bus, if the day before. Also, why now are they stating that "Kyron was so proud of his project he worked on with his Dad all week"? I thought SM was the one who worked with Kyron exclusively?It's the fact that nobody saw the boy after 8:45am, and it was the SM who says she last saw him. According to the statements published when he first disappeared, she brought him to school around 8:00am. They went into his home-room (or he went by himself?) and he put the book bag and jacket on his seat. Then his SM and him went to check his project. There have been stories of his project being inside his classroom. There have been stories of his project being in the gym. If his project was inside his classroom, why did he and his SM went out of the room after seeing the project and taking the picture? - reports say he never came back to his classroom. If his project was in the gym, was the SM and Kyron seen by anyone else, and if so... when did they leave? I wonder if there is a possibility that after looking at his project they both left the school together. There were reports of someone seeing Kyron later on in the morning in school. But, the person could be mistaken or lying. Let's stress that nobody but that person saw him that morning. Why did nobody else saw him? Of course, we have no information that says one way or another. Now the police is asking for videotape for June 3 and June 4!!! Why June 3rd??? Could it be that hey suspect someone was casing the school or area? Are they giving credibility to the white truck seen twice that day? Do they want to check for Kyron in the tapes? Another thought, when I go to my sons school where I also volunteer a lot, I run into at least 4 teachers, 4 office staff, a lunch lady or two and at least 3 parents just entering the school! I think the child who came forward- Tanner (?) is the one who said he saw Kyron at 9:00. I don't put a whole lot into his statement if so. Kids his age have no concept of time in my opinion and it could have been the day before he saw Kyron for all we know. To me Kyron would have seen more than one kid that morning. It looked to me all of Kyron's class had there projects set up in the classroom for the science fair. Maybe the upper grades had their projects in he gym?? If Kyron was last seen at the south door, were there any deliveries going on at the time, i.e. UPS, FedX, Food service? I wonder why they have not said if the search dogs even had a scent of Kyron at the school and where did it end if they did. Sitting on my fence baffled again......;) Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: cookie on June 12, 2010, 10:12:30 PM good thoughts cartfly....definitely thought provoking to me...
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: cartfly on June 12, 2010, 10:25:06 PM This is a link to the general school info and statistics that Tracey was referring to earlier. It gives enrollment numbers, student ratios, among other information. It is a pdf document so I can not bring it over because it gets all jumbled up.
http://www.pps.k12.or.us/schools-c/profiles/enrollment/enroll_out.php?rpt=444 (http://www.pps.k12.or.us/schools-c/profiles/enrollment/enroll_out.php?rpt=444) Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tracygirl on June 12, 2010, 10:38:24 PM It had been said he was seen with this step mom at the science fair that day and that his step mom left at about 8:45 and another witness stated he was seen again at 9. I am not sure if LE is speaking about the other student or if it was someone else that saw him as LE will not say who saw him and who if anyone he was with.
Maybe I am missing something, god knows that has happened before. Is there a history of abuse with this child? Has there been reports to CPS or police? I checked all of the parents criminal records but found nothing on any of them, not that my site is always correct. Other then a wicked step mom theory, what would her motive be to sneak this kid out of this school setting? It seems her plan would have been well thought out, almost exact if you will. She would have to know the teacher would not react to his not being there and that the school wouldn't do an immediate, all out search for him. That is the point I get stuck on. With all of the options available to her if she wanted to do away with her step child, seems like this one would be the wild card. KWIM? Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tracygirl on June 12, 2010, 10:52:11 PM One thing has been puzzling me. I also have not seen "when" the project was brought to school and set up. Was it the day before? Kyron would not have been able to transport it by himself to the class alone from his school bus, if the day before. Also, why now are they stating that "Kyron was so proud of his project he worked on with his Dad all week"? I thought SM was the one who worked with Kyron exclusively?It's the fact that nobody saw the boy after 8:45am, and it was the SM who says she last saw him. According to the statements published when he first disappeared, she brought him to school around 8:00am. They went into his home-room (or he went by himself?) and he put the book bag and jacket on his seat. Then his SM and him went to check his project. There have been stories of his project being inside his classroom. There have been stories of his project being in the gym. If his project was inside his classroom, why did he and his SM went out of the room after seeing the project and taking the picture? - reports say he never came back to his classroom. If his project was in the gym, was the SM and Kyron seen by anyone else, and if so... when did they leave? I wonder if there is a possibility that after looking at his project they both left the school together. There were reports of someone seeing Kyron later on in the morning in school. But, the person could be mistaken or lying. Let's stress that nobody but that person saw him that morning. Why did nobody else saw him? Of course, we have no information that says one way or another. Now the police is asking for videotape for June 3 and June 4!!! Why June 3rd??? Could it be that hey suspect someone was casing the school or area? Are they giving credibility to the white truck seen twice that day? Do they want to check for Kyron in the tapes? Another thought, when I go to my sons school where I also volunteer a lot, I run into at least 4 teachers, 4 office staff, a lunch lady or two and at least 3 parents just entering the school! I think the child who came forward- Tanner (?) is the one who said he saw Kyron at 9:00. I don't put a whole lot into his statement if so. Kids his age have no concept of time in my opinion and it could have been the day before he saw Kyron for all we know. To me Kyron would have seen more than one kid that morning. It looked to me all of Kyron's class had there projects set up in the classroom for the science fair. Maybe the upper grades had their projects in he gym?? If Kyron was last seen at the south door, were there any deliveries going on at the time, i.e. UPS, FedX, Food service? I wonder why they have not said if the search dogs even had a scent of Kyron at the school and where did it end if they did. Sitting on my fence baffled again......;) Could it be off reporting regarding the school project? I think we can trust what the statement said, the dad helped him. The step mom was involved in his life though, I mean she walked him around the fair that morning. She could have dropped him off and said, see ya have a nice day, right? But she didn't. I am not sure when he set it up, I know someone was thinking if it was the day before she could have snapped the pic, but I think Le discounted that. I am not surprised so little is being said. That seems to be the norm in these cases. So much is kept quiet so to not hurt the investigation. Blink has some good thoughts on what is being said is telling a "between the lines" story. Does anyone recall Elizabeths case? She was a young girl leaving a friends home and never made it home. The police refused to say it was a kidnapping and it couldn't be further from a kidnapping case and we all were like, what? Come to find out they had information that the sibling of the friend she was visiting had stabbed and killed Elizabeth. That statement made sense. I think that same thing with this one. For me I am going to trust the investigators and they are on to something. I just pray they find him alive. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: JessStar on June 12, 2010, 10:59:22 PM All the stat said was it was 83% white, there is a graph that shows the other races...Not sure what people read into that as it was in the list of stats on the site. That site also has stats on reduced lunch participants, how many 2nd language families, as well as a whole lot of other stats including test scores and state rankings. As you can recall I didn't say anything regarding that stat but the other one that the student ratio was 17:1. I think it is uncalled for to be told to beware of something. Sorry but I found it a bit condesending. Another poster had made mention regarding a message on the step moms facebook regarding an interacial couple and that poster had concerns if perhaps if that had anything to do with Kyron being missing. It was just information and something I am not sure should be considered off limits for what reasons, I don't know.. TG sorry if you thought my comment was condescending. It certainly wasn't meant to be. Being a lawyer, I'm just very sensitive to things like that. If the school is posting stats like that, perhaps it should also post stats showing that the racial diversity of the school is reflective of the population as a whole, otherwise the reader can be mislead. Indeed, even you thought that the school wasn't a very diverse school. I believe your statement was "Not particularly a diverse school 82% of the students are white. (not that it means anything.)" That's why I posted what I did, as before one can decide whether the school is "particularly diverse," I'd think the person would need to know the diversity of the population. Perhaps I should take my lawyer cap off when I post here as it seems like I've been stirring up too much trouble lately. :-( I apologize. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: JessStar on June 12, 2010, 11:12:39 PM hi Jess! how are ya doing friend? Hi cookie! Doing well when I'm not causing trouble. (what happened to the emoticons? LOL) I've been very busy with Justice for Nevaeh. We had the dedication ceremony last Saturday for Her Memorial Park Bench. It was a wonderful ceremony. Turnout was very good. I gave a presentation on Child Safety and Awareness which, from what I've been hearing, was very well received. We also had a local band play a few songs, including a beautiful song called "Nevaeh's Song" which they wrote specifically for Our Little Angel. Local Monroe County School representatives spoke, and then I, on behalf of Justice for Nevaeh, presented Her Memorial Plaque to the School which will be affixed to the bench. The bench is located at the playground of the Riverside Early Learning Center--it was Nevaeh's favorite playground. Her teachers were there as well as many of her classmates. What great people. Of course, it was a bitter sweet and very emotional day, especially given that it was a year and day since Nevaeh was found on the banks of the River Raisin. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: cartfly on June 12, 2010, 11:27:44 PM One thing has been puzzling me. I also have not seen "when" the project was brought to school and set up. Was it the day before? Kyron would not have been able to transport it by himself to the class alone from his school bus, if the day before. Also, why now are they stating that "Kyron was so proud of his project he worked on with his Dad all week"? I thought SM was the one who worked with Kyron exclusively?It's the fact that nobody saw the boy after 8:45am, and it was the SM who says she last saw him. According to the statements published when he first disappeared, she brought him to school around 8:00am. They went into his home-room (or he went by himself?) and he put the book bag and jacket on his seat. Then his SM and him went to check his project. There have been stories of his project being inside his classroom. There have been stories of his project being in the gym. If his project was inside his classroom, why did he and his SM went out of the room after seeing the project and taking the picture? - reports say he never came back to his classroom. If his project was in the gym, was the SM and Kyron seen by anyone else, and if so... when did they leave? I wonder if there is a possibility that after looking at his project they both left the school together. There were reports of someone seeing Kyron later on in the morning in school. But, the person could be mistaken or lying. Let's stress that nobody but that person saw him that morning. Why did nobody else saw him? Of course, we have no information that says one way or another. Now the police is asking for videotape for June 3 and June 4!!! Why June 3rd??? Could it be that hey suspect someone was casing the school or area? Are they giving credibility to the white truck seen twice that day? Do they want to check for Kyron in the tapes? Another thought, when I go to my sons school where I also volunteer a lot, I run into at least 4 teachers, 4 office staff, a lunch lady or two and at least 3 parents just entering the school! I think the child who came forward- Tanner (?) is the one who said he saw Kyron at 9:00. I don't put a whole lot into his statement if so. Kids his age have no concept of time in my opinion and it could have been the day before he saw Kyron for all we know. To me Kyron would have seen more than one kid that morning. It looked to me all of Kyron's class had there projects set up in the classroom for the science fair. Maybe the upper grades had their projects in he gym?? If Kyron was last seen at the south door, were there any deliveries going on at the time, i.e. UPS, FedX, Food service? I wonder why they have not said if the search dogs even had a scent of Kyron at the school and where did it end if they did. Sitting on my fence baffled again......;) Could it be off reporting regarding the school project? I think we can trust what the statement said, the dad helped him. The step mom was involved in his life though, I mean she walked him around the fair that morning. She could have dropped him off and said, see ya have a nice day, right? But she didn't. I am not sure when he set it up, I know someone was thinking if it was the day before she could have snapped the pic, but I think Le discounted that. I am not surprised so little is being said. That seems to be the norm in these cases. So much is kept quiet so to not hurt the investigation. Blink has some good thoughts on what is being said is telling a "between the lines" story. Does anyone recall Elizabeths case? She was a young girl leaving a friends home and never made it home. The police refused to say it was a kidnapping and it couldn't be further from a kidnapping case and we all were like, what? Come to find out they had information that the sibling of the friend she was visiting had stabbed and killed Elizabeth. That statement made sense. I think that same thing with this one. For me I am going to trust the investigators and they are on to something. I just pray they find him alive. Now to think a complete stranger did this scares me to no end. Remember the Shasta and Dillon case? I never saw that coming. I can not read too much about that case because it horrifies me to no end. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: cartfly on June 12, 2010, 11:37:01 PM hi Jess! how are ya doing friend? Hi cookie! Doing well when I'm not causing trouble. (what happened to the emoticons? LOL) I've been very busy with Justice for Nevaeh. We had the dedication ceremony last Saturday for Her Memorial Park Bench. It was a wonderful ceremony. Turnout was very good. I gave a presentation on Child Safety and Awareness which, from what I've been hearing, was very well received. We also had a local band play a few songs, including a beautiful song called "Nevaeh's Song" which they wrote specifically for Our Little Angel. Local Monroe County School representatives spoke, and then I, on behalf of Justice for Nevaeh, presented Her Memorial Plaque to the School which will be affixed to the bench. The bench is located at the playground of the Riverside Early Learning Center--it was Nevaeh's favorite playground. Her teachers were there as well as many of her classmates. What great people. Of course, it was a bitter sweet and very emotional day, especially given that it was a year and day since Nevaeh was found on the banks of the River Raisin. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: cartfly on June 12, 2010, 11:39:28 PM OT- but where are our emoticons? Will they be coming back? I feel so lost without them and miss not being able to upload important things. Is it a bandwidth issue?
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: JessStar on June 12, 2010, 11:45:34 PM Kyron Horman search may have suffered from confluence of delays
Published: Saturday, June 12, 2010, 8:00 PM Updated: Saturday, June 12, 2010, 8:23 PM Noelle Crombie, The Oregonian Noelle Crombie, The Oregonian On the morning Kyron Horman was last seen, he was Skyline School's resident expert on red-eyed tree frogs at the school science fair. Then the second-grader vanished and was gone nearly seven hours before anyone noticed. Kyron's stepmother met the school bus about 3:30 p.m. but the bespectacled 7-year-old wasn't aboard. She called Skyline and the school secretary called 9-1-1. During the next 4 1/2 hours, authorities mobilized a full-scale search effort involving federal agents who specialize in child abduction cases. But by then it was almost nightfall. Time had long become the enemy. "This investigation really got going eight to 12 hours after it should have," said Clint Van Zandt, a former FBI profiler and Virginia-based security consultant. "Whatever happened to this little boy, by the time authorities really geared up, they were 12 hours behind the power curve. "That is a long time to be behind in a case like this," he said. A confluence of factors meant searchers lost key hours: The initial report was given the "lOfficials at Skyline School didn't notify the boy's parents after realizing he was absent.owest priority" rating by emergency dispatchers. Rush-hour traffic on Friday evening delayed arrival of trained searchers, who gathered first at the Multnomah County Sheriff's patrol office in outer Northeast Portland, then traveled to the site. Getting to the school and Kyron's neighborhood, in the rural northwestern corner of Multnomah County, took more than a half-hour. And though news organizations reported late Friday that Kyron was missing, authorities didn't issue a full press release until the following morning. Once notified, Multnomah County authorities responded swiftly but critical hours already had been lost, Sheriff Dan Staton said. "This is what is hugely disturbing to me," he told The Oregonian Saturday. "The fact that you had a child in school and the last time the child was seen is at 9 in the morning – there are concerns about that lag time. If the child had walked away from the school, the likelihood of finding him under those circumstances would have been extremely high. "After five hours," the sheriff said, "you know as well as I do how far a child could walk on a roadway." Across the country each year, 115 children on average are abducted by strangers or an acquaintance, according to a 2008 report by the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children. Most are found within hours. But a quarter of abducted children are killed. The center's statistics showed that 76 percent of those children die within three hours of being kidnapped. Though rare, all missing children investigations share an essential element: time. "Valuable hours were lost because, frankly, no one knew where (Kyron) was," said Bob Lowery, a former homicide commander in the Midwest and executive director of the missing children division of the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children. Added Van Zandt: "As time goes on, it becomes more critical and the potential for some harm to come to this child is greater." Skyline School officials first realized there was a problem after the school day had ended. Kyron's stepmother, Terri Moulton Horman, said the boy wasn't on the school bus. School secretary Susan Hall called 9-1-1 at 3:56 p.m. That triggered a page to Portland Public Schools security. At some point that day, Kyron's teacher had marked the boy absent – district officials refuse to say when – but that didn't prompt a call home because Skyline School lacked an automatic notification policy. That has since changed. Staton said dispatchers at the Bureau of Emergency Communications classified the call from Skyline as "lowest priority." Dispatchers generally classify calls based on who's calling, what information they provide, whether there is an indication of danger or a medical issue. Within minutes, Portland police and Multnomah County sheriff's deputies were dispatched. About a half-hour passed before they pulled up to the school and the Horman home, about 2 1/2 miles from the school. The official search for Kyron began at 4:33 p.m. Among those responding were a sergeant, a police dog and about eight Portland officers. They searched around the school, hoping the shy boy had gone home with someone he knew. Staton said even before certified searchers arrived, police had searched the school, many of the main roads and the boy's home. On any given day, kids don't ride the bus when they should, prompting parents to call their school, said Matt Shelby, spokesman for the school district. "Nine times out of 10 they're found within the hour or so," he said. But police found no trace of Kyron. Shortly after 5:30 p.m., school authorities alerted parents through an automated phone message. "Kyron Horman did not arrive at home today," the message said. The alert was intended for Skyline parents, but it went out to other parents, too. Anyone who'd seen Kyron was asked to call police. "The only thing we knew is that he was missing," Shelby said. The sheriff's office began calling trained searchers at 5:30 p.m. The first search teams arrived at 8:09 p.m. The search and rescue coordinator, Deputy Mark Herron, arrived at 8:25 p.m. Among those who got a call that night was sheriff's Sgt. Travis Gullberg, a search and rescue coordinator. "We've got a scenario developing," Detective Sgt. Lee Gosson told him. Sometime between 7 and 7:45 p.m., Staton personally called the FBI. He said the circumstances – Kyron disappeared from school on a busy morning – prompted him to ask for help from the feds. "I wanted them involved because the last time this child was seen was inside a school," he said. "This was not a child walking away from their home or getting lost in the woods. This is a child who got lost inside a school with faculty there. That was the last time the child was seen." The bureau pulled in agents from across the country. Two who would help with the technical aspect arrived that night. Another set of agents with expertise in missing-child cases landed at midnight. More joined Saturday morning. By then, Kyron had been gone for 24 hours. While local news organizations heard reports about a possible missing child over their police scanners, and began trying to sort out what was going on, official public notification of the media was slow and sketchy. Portland school officials didn't issue a press release that afternoon, and the public information officer for the Multnomah County Sheriff's Office only learned of the investigation some time that night between 7 and 7:15. About an hour later, a sheriff's official met some reporters at Skyline School and released a photo of the boy, but the agency issued its first official news release on the investigation about 9 a.m. the next day. Staton said his agency responded quickly to Kyron's disappearance. "For the location of the school," Staton said, "this is a really good response time, especially when you are talking about a Friday, the time of day, rushing through traffic to get out here." The FBI often volunteers personnel when children vanish. But the bureau does not consider itself a first responder in such emergencies, FBI spokeswoman Beth Anne Steele said. "Relatively speaking," she said, "we were notified very early in the process." It's been more than a week since Kyron's stepmother saw him walk toward his classroom in Skyline School after the pair toured the school science fair and admired Kyron's tree frog project. Investigators now characterize Kyron as a missing and endangered child. The investigation, in its 10th day Sunday, is one of the largest ever overseen by the Multnomah County Sheriff's Office and has included more than 500 searchers. But Van Zandt said the likelihood that Kyron wandered out of the school, got hurt and is awaiting rescue is fading. "The chances are getting slimmer and slimmer that that is what happened to him and that he could ... survive," Van Zandt said. The moment an adult took note that Kyron wasn't at school Friday, an effort to locate him should have been set in motion, he said. "And within an hour instead of 12 hours," he said, "this case would have been moving." Kimberly A.C. Wilson, Bryan Denson and Stuart Tomlinson contributed to this report. -- Noelle Crombie -- Kimberly A.C. Wilson, Bryan Denson and Stuart Tomlinson contributed to this report. MY EDITORIAL RANT: It is absolutely inexcusable that the teacher noticed Kyron was absent, saw his backpack and jacket, yet did nothing. And don't blame it on lack of an automated notification process. Last time I checked, telephones can still be manually dialed. This child was entrusted into the care of the teachers, which stand in loco parentis, and they failed him, whatever the outcome. Sad, so very very sad. http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/kyron_horman_search_may_have_s.html Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: JessStar on June 12, 2010, 11:48:10 PM Kyron Horman search may have suffered from confluence of delays Published: Saturday, June 12, 2010, 8:00 PM Updated: Saturday, June 12, 2010, 8:23 PM Noelle Crombie, The Oregonian Noelle Crombie, The Oregonian On the morning Kyron Horman was last seen, he was Skyline School's resident expert on red-eyed tree frogs at the school science fair. Then the second-grader vanished and was gone nearly seven hours before anyone noticed. Kyron's stepmother met the school bus about 3:30 p.m. but the bespectacled 7-year-old wasn't aboard. She called Skyline and the school secretary called 9-1-1. During the next 4 1/2 hours, authorities mobilized a full-scale search effort involving federal agents who specialize in child abduction cases. But by then it was almost nightfall. Time had long become the enemy. "This investigation really got going eight to 12 hours after it should have," said Clint Van Zandt, a former FBI profiler and Virginia-based security consultant. "Whatever happened to this little boy, by the time authorities really geared up, they were 12 hours behind the power curve. "That is a long time to be behind in a case like this," he said. A confluence of factors meant searchers lost key hours: Officials at Skyline School didn't notify the boy's parents after realizing he was absent. The initial report was given the "lowest priority" rating by emergency dispatchers. Rush-hour traffic on Friday evening delayed arrival of trained searchers, who gathered first at the Multnomah County Sheriff's patrol office in outer Northeast Portland, then traveled to the site. Getting to the school and Kyron's neighborhood, in the rural northwestern corner of Multnomah County, took more than a half-hour. And though news organizations reported late Friday that Kyron was missing, authorities didn't issue a full press release until the following morning. Once notified, Multnomah County authorities responded swiftly but critical hours already had been lost, Sheriff Dan Staton said. "This is what is hugely disturbing to me," he told The Oregonian Saturday. "The fact that you had a child in school and the last time the child was seen is at 9 in the morning – there are concerns about that lag time. If the child had walked away from the school, the likelihood of finding him under those circumstances would have been extremely high. "After five hours," the sheriff said, "you know as well as I do how far a child could walk on a roadway." Across the country each year, 115 children on average are abducted by strangers or an acquaintance, according to a 2008 report by the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children. Most are found within hours. But a quarter of abducted children are killed. The center's statistics showed that 76 percent of those children die within three hours of being kidnapped. Though rare, all missing children investigations share an essential element: time. "Valuable hours were lost because, frankly, no one knew where (Kyron) was," said Bob Lowery, a former homicide commander in the Midwest and executive director of the missing children division of the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children. Added Van Zandt: "As time goes on, it becomes more critical and the potential for some harm to come to this child is greater." Skyline School officials first realized there was a problem after the school day had ended. Kyron's stepmother, Terri Moulton Horman, said the boy wasn't on the school bus. School secretary Susan Hall called 9-1-1 at 3:56 p.m. That triggered a page to Portland Public Schools security. At some point that day, Kyron's teacher had marked the boy absent – district officials refuse to say when – but that didn't prompt a call home because Skyline School lacked an automatic notification policy. That has since changed. Staton said dispatchers at the Bureau of Emergency Communications classified the call from Skyline as "lowest priority." Dispatchers generally classify calls based on who's calling, what information they provide, whether there is an indication of danger or a medical issue. Within minutes, Portland police and Multnomah County sheriff's deputies were dispatched. About a half-hour passed before they pulled up to the school and the Horman home, about 2 1/2 miles from the school. The official search for Kyron began at 4:33 p.m. Among those responding were a sergeant, a police dog and about eight Portland officers. They searched around the school, hoping the shy boy had gone home with someone he knew. Staton said even before certified searchers arrived, police had searched the school, many of the main roads and the boy's home. On any given day, kids don't ride the bus when they should, prompting parents to call their school, said Matt Shelby, spokesman for the school district. "Nine times out of 10 they're found within the hour or so," he said. But police found no trace of Kyron. Shortly after 5:30 p.m., school authorities alerted parents through an automated phone message. "Kyron Horman did not arrive at home today," the message said. The alert was intended for Skyline parents, but it went out to other parents, too. Anyone who'd seen Kyron was asked to call police. "The only thing we knew is that he was missing," Shelby said. The sheriff's office began calling trained searchers at 5:30 p.m. The first search teams arrived at 8:09 p.m. The search and rescue coordinator, Deputy Mark Herron, arrived at 8:25 p.m. Among those who got a call that night was sheriff's Sgt. Travis Gullberg, a search and rescue coordinator. "We've got a scenario developing," Detective Sgt. Lee Gosson told him. Sometime between 7 and 7:45 p.m., Staton personally called the FBI. He said the circumstances – Kyron disappeared from school on a busy morning – prompted him to ask for help from the feds. "I wanted them involved because the last time this child was seen was inside a school," he said. "This was not a child walking away from their home or getting lost in the woods. This is a child who got lost inside a school with faculty there. That was the last time the child was seen." The bureau pulled in agents from across the country. Two who would help with the technical aspect arrived that night. Another set of agents with expertise in missing-child cases landed at midnight. More joined Saturday morning. By then, Kyron had been gone for 24 hours. While local news organizations heard reports about a possible missing child over their police scanners, and began trying to sort out what was going on, official public notification of the media was slow and sketchy. Portland school officials didn't issue a press release that afternoon, and the public information officer for the Multnomah County Sheriff's Office only learned of the investigation some time that night between 7 and 7:15. About an hour later, a sheriff's official met some reporters at Skyline School and released a photo of the boy, but the agency issued its first official news release on the investigation about 9 a.m. the next day. Staton said his agency responded quickly to Kyron's disappearance. "For the location of the school," Staton said, "this is a really good response time, especially when you are talking about a Friday, the time of day, rushing through traffic to get out here." The FBI often volunteers personnel when children vanish. But the bureau does not consider itself a first responder in such emergencies, FBI spokeswoman Beth Anne Steele said. "Relatively speaking," she said, "we were notified very early in the process." It's been more than a week since Kyron's stepmother saw him walk toward his classroom in Skyline School after the pair toured the school science fair and admired Kyron's tree frog project. Investigators now characterize Kyron as a missing and endangered child. The investigation, in its 10th day Sunday, is one of the largest ever overseen by the Multnomah County Sheriff's Office and has included more than 500 searchers. But Van Zandt said the likelihood that Kyron wandered out of the school, got hurt and is awaiting rescue is fading. "The chances are getting slimmer and slimmer that that is what happened to him and that he could ... survive," Van Zandt said. The moment an adult took note that Kyron wasn't at school Friday, an effort to locate him should have been set in motion, he said. "And within an hour instead of 12 hours," he said, "this case would have been moving." Kimberly A.C. Wilson, Bryan Denson and Stuart Tomlinson contributed to this report. -- Noelle Crombie -- Kimberly A.C. Wilson, Bryan Denson and Stuart Tomlinson contributed to this report. MY EDITORIAL RANT: It is absolutely inexcusable that the teacher noticed Kyron was absent, saw his backpack and jacket, yet did nothing. And don't blame it on lack of an automated notification process. Last time I checked, telephones can still be manually dialed. This child was entrusted into the care of the teachers, which stand in loco parentis, and they failed him, whatever the outcome. Sad, so very very sad. http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/kyron_horman_search_may_have_s.html Self edit to fix the messed-up red paragraph. :-) Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: JessStar on June 12, 2010, 11:52:27 PM hi Jess! how are ya doing friend? Hi cookie! Doing well when I'm not causing trouble. (what happened to the emoticons? LOL) I've been very busy with Justice for Nevaeh. We had the dedication ceremony last Saturday for Her Memorial Park Bench. It was a wonderful ceremony. Turnout was very good. I gave a presentation on Child Safety and Awareness which, from what I've been hearing, was very well received. We also had a local band play a few songs, including a beautiful song called "Nevaeh's Song" which they wrote specifically for Our Little Angel. Local Monroe County School representatives spoke, and then I, on behalf of Justice for Nevaeh, presented Her Memorial Plaque to the School which will be affixed to the bench. The bench is located at the playground of the Riverside Early Learning Center--it was Nevaeh's favorite playground. Her teachers were there as well as many of her classmates. What great people. Of course, it was a bitter sweet and very emotional day, especially given that it was a year and day since Nevaeh was found on the banks of the River Raisin. http://sites.google.com/site/justicefornevaeh/ Thanks! Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: cartfly on June 13, 2010, 12:22:29 AM Kyron Horman search day 9: Boy still missing as online rumor control kicks in
published: Saturday, June 12, 2010, 7:33 PM Updated: Saturday, June 12, 2010, 8:32 PM Kate Mather, The Oregonian Kate Mather, The Oregonian As day nine passed Saturday in the search for missing Kyron Horman, the hilly fields and shadowy forests near Skyline School continued to be a focal point. But in their only news conference of the day, officials turned a portion of their attention to cyberspace -- specifically addressing the volume of speculation and rumor being amplified through social media sites and online commentary. The Facebook/Twitter era has added an odd twist to what has emerged as one of the largest search-and-rescue operations in Oregon history. "Our organization has never had to do that," Lt. Mary Lindstrand, spokeswoman for the Multnomah County Sheriff's Office, said of the efforts to address online speculation. "It's just an extraordinary case." In addressing reporters, Capt. Mike Shults said two questions were "pretty important" to answer about the boy's family. First, Shults said, there's a reason the family is not out in the field helping with the search. "We need them to be close and that was conveyed to them from the beginning," he said. "We need them to be right there so that if (investigators) have questions or they find evidence or if they're going in a direction that's totally wrong. ..." "Their information is critical and they immediately knew that and immediately started assisting the sheriff's office to provide that information to us, which is exactly what we wanted them to do." Shults also said he asked family members to maintain normal activities -- such as grocery shopping or going to the gym -- to help maintain their mental and physical health. "Once we determined that this search could take some time, it was discussed what that really meant to them and how long this could be, knowing that the stress was going to be overwhelming and it could be important to keep their minds and bodies healthy," Shults said. "We need them to help us bring Kyron home." Lindstrand said Shults addressed the issues "because if he was a viewer at home, those are the two questions he would want to know." Terri Moulton Horman, Kyron's stepmother, has been criticized on various online outlets for some of the activity on her Facebook page since Kyron was reported missing June 4 from his Northwest Portland grade school. At one point, she wrote that she was "hitting the gym" -- an activity some said was not appropriate for someone with a missing child. Horman has since made her Facebook page private. The search area appeared to expand yet again Saturday, as search and rescue teams and canine units scoured the steep hillside along U.S. 30. A UH-60 Black Hawk helicopter from the Oregon National Guard flew over Sauvie Island multiple times as well, hovering below the tree line in areas along the Multnomah Channel. Search teams from across Oregon, Washington and Northern California have traveled to Multnomah County to assist in the investigation. Officials said finding Kyron is still their focus, despite the number of days that have passed since he disappeared. They have no plans to discontinue the hunt, which Multnomah County Sheriff Dan Staton said now includes 530 state-certified searchers. Cost is also not a concern, said Jeff Cogen, chairman of the Multnomah County Board of Commissioners. Although Cogen did not know how much the search has cost, he said he told Staton "to do whatever he needs to do and we'll figure out how to pay for it." When asked whether investigators were any closer to bringing Kyron home, Sgt. Diana Olsen, who is leading the search, emphatically said yes. "Absolutely," she said. "Because we know where he's not." -- Kate Mather http://www.oregonlive.com/news/index.ssf/2010/06/post_109.html (http://www.oregonlive.com/news/index.ssf/2010/06/post_109.html) Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: cartfly on June 13, 2010, 12:35:02 AM hi Jess! how are ya doing friend? Hi cookie! Doing well when I'm not causing trouble. (what happened to the emoticons? LOL) I've been very busy with Justice for Nevaeh. We had the dedication ceremony last Saturday for Her Memorial Park Bench. It was a wonderful ceremony. Turnout was very good. I gave a presentation on Child Safety and Awareness which, from what I've been hearing, was very well received. We also had a local band play a few songs, including a beautiful song called "Nevaeh's Song" which they wrote specifically for Our Little Angel. Local Monroe County School representatives spoke, and then I, on behalf of Justice for Nevaeh, presented Her Memorial Plaque to the School which will be affixed to the bench. The bench is located at the playground of the Riverside Early Learning Center--it was Nevaeh's favorite playground. Her teachers were there as well as many of her classmates. What great people. Of course, it was a bitter sweet and very emotional day, especially given that it was a year and day since Nevaeh was found on the banks of the River Raisin. http://sites.google.com/site/justicefornevaeh/ Thanks! Keep up the great work!! :) This is exactly the reason I love scared monkeys! Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: cartfly on June 13, 2010, 01:52:57 AM You know what else bothers me about this lack of security at this school?
I can not bring it forward, but if you look at the beginnings of this thread, there were post of bing and google maps of the school. In the photo, you can see a small road in front of the school, coming from the main road, going up an incline to the soccer fields on the left of the school. Also notice the side of the school that borders the soccer field has an exit door with a double window above it like in the hallway picture of Kyron's class! It looks like anyone could drive right up that incline grab a kid and get out of there with no one seeing anything. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tracygirl on June 13, 2010, 01:53:51 AM Snipped from Jess's post...
MY EDITORIAL RANT: It is absolutely inexcusable that the teacher noticed Kyron was absent, saw his backpack and jacket, yet did nothing. And don't blame it on lack of an automated notification process. Last time I checked, telephones can still be manually dialed. This child was entrusted into the care of the teachers, which stand in loco parentis, and they failed him, whatever the outcome. Sad, so very very sad. Jess we always come back to something we can agree on. Now let me ask you this...If a person was to take this child out of the school it would take some guts right? After all, they are taking the risk an all out search for this child could happen at any minute, unless there was some way to control that from happening such as the child being marked absent! I looked in this story for who would have enough control and I keep coming back to the teacher. I know I sound like a broken record, but stranger things have happened. She could have been helping someone who had a plan. It is just gnawing at me. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tracygirl on June 13, 2010, 02:03:13 AM Cartfly could it be that the step mom and dad both helped with the project? Perhaps the step mom helped with gathering information and the dad helped in getting the project put together? Either way that was a wonderful project and he did a great job.
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tracygirl on June 13, 2010, 02:15:16 AM Cartfly I have had so many different ideas in my head over this case. From someone pulling him into a room, tying him up and taking him out in some kind of container, to it being a master plan of sorts.
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Wyks on June 13, 2010, 02:17:54 AM For those of you who know about my first five years, I was born in Portland, OR and lived just across the river in Longview/Kelso WA area. This is the area it all happened. I know what went on then and continues to go on even today, because it's a transgenerational thing. Ask yourselves WHY so many (children as well as adults) go missing from this area, without a trace. I dunno about LE in this day and age. Yet in Multnomah Co, 51 years ago, they not only knew about it, but turned their heads and looked the other way. I was rescued from that cult. But it wasn't by or because of LE. It was single-handedly by and because of the love of a woman. She loved and served God, loved children, and was sick and tired of the way we were being treated. She dared enough to step out and grab at least one child away. That child was me. I owe my life to her and to God.
I don't know what happened to Kyron. Just like I don't know what happened to Lindsey. Yet the longer it goes with absolutely no sign of either, the more red flags go down for me in both of these cases. There are other cases as well, of children and adults who simply vanish. At times my heart refuses to continue with these cases. But then I remember the love of a woman, and what she did in the name of love, in the name of God. If anyone reading here has info, please step forward. You may have the piece of info that is needed to bring Kyron to safety. Call the local LE in Portland, yes. I am praying that times have changed things regarding LE in that area now. It appears possible, for all they seem to be doing in Portland for Kyron. But if no one listens to you, call your local LE office, the FBI, the media. You can be the one that makes the difference in the life of a child. Someone, somewhere, knows what happened to this boy. He needs to be brought to safety... or justice brought on his behalf. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tracygirl on June 13, 2010, 02:32:02 AM Awww Wykes ((((((((hugs))))))))) and amen to your post.
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: cartfly on June 13, 2010, 02:40:26 AM For those of you who know about my first five years, I was born in Portland, OR and lived just across the river in Longview/Kelso WA area. This is the area it all happened. I know what went on then and continues to go on even today, because it's a transgenerational thing. Ask yourselves WHY so many (children as well as adults) go missing from this area, without a trace. I dunno about LE in this day and age. Yet in Multnomah Co, 51 years ago, they not only knew about it, but turned their heads and looked the other way. I was rescued from that cult. But it wasn't by or because of LE. It was single-handedly by and because of the love of a woman. She loved and served God, loved children, and was sick and tired of the way we were being treated. She dared enough to step out and grab at least one child away. That child was me. I owe my life to her and to God. Very interesting and touching post Wyks. Can you elaborate about why you think LE would have turned a blind eye to people vanishing then or now? What do you feel is going on out there?I don't know what happened to Kyron. Just like I don't know what happened to Lindsey. Yet the longer it goes with absolutely no sign of either, the more red flags go down for me in both of these cases. There are other cases as well, of children and adults who simply vanish. At times my heart refuses to continue with these cases. But then I remember the love of a woman, and what she did in the name of love, in the name of God. If anyone reading here has info, please step forward. You may have the piece of info that is needed to bring Kyron to safety. Call the local LE in Portland, yes. I am praying that times have changed things regarding LE in that area now. It appears possible, for all they seem to be doing in Portland for Kyron. But if no one listens to you, call your local LE office, the FBI, the media. You can be the one that makes the difference in the life of a child. Someone, somewhere, knows what happened to this boy. He needs to be brought to safety... or justice brought on his behalf. Thanks for sharing. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: cartfly on June 13, 2010, 02:46:06 AM Cartfly I have had so many different ideas in my head over this case. From someone pulling him into a room, tying him up and taking him out in some kind of container, to it being a master plan of sorts. Me too!! My imagination is in overdrive.....I mean anyone could pretty much set up shop (porn/meth) in this area and go undetected. It is such a rural area. It looks to be very beautiful but for me it is sort of scary in how remote this area is. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tracygirl on June 13, 2010, 03:07:20 AM Ok question, did I read today there are 2 janitors for the school and one travels back and forth between 2 schools? hmmm that just hit me when I was in the shower. I am not sure where I read that, it was in an article, perhaps it was here or on Blinks site or one of the news sites.
Blink also made a comment I find interesting, most of the employees of the school had been interviewed, why only most and not all? so I wonder if there is someone who is missing or unavailable or did they find a poi already and stopped the interviews? Cartfly sad things is, none of these idea's people are coming up with are things we had never read before. They are all possible, yikes! Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tracygirl on June 13, 2010, 03:19:56 AM Please can someone help me find something. What is the name of the park they searched, it was a place Kyron or his brother would ride horses? Also, what is the name of the island they searched?
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tracygirl on June 13, 2010, 03:43:22 AM In case this hasn't been seen yet (photo of hallway/stairs/Kyron's class): http://photos.oregonlive.com/oregonian/2010/06/kyron_horman_search_attracts_1_3.html (http://photos.oregonlive.com/oregonian/2010/06/kyron_horman_search_attracts_1_3.html) Thanks for the pic. so his classroom is up a few stairs. It seems from looking at the pic that is not a door but a window or is that an illusion? It says exit but it seems to not go down to the floor, does that make sense? So I wonder how many other classrooms are on that floor. If the teacher was correct and Kyron went to the bathroom and hadn't returned yet, but then they left only for Kyron to find his self alone in that area. That janitor looks to be about a 105 years old, lol. not that age is a consideration but when I thought of janitor I was thinking of a younger, stronger person. Just looking back at this pic on a better screen. Would you say the janitor is about 48 or so? Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: cookie on June 13, 2010, 10:36:20 AM JessStar...as always...you are a gift to this site....:)
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: klaasend on June 13, 2010, 10:47:07 AM NEW BLINK POST:
http://blinkoncrime.com/2010/06/13/kyron-horman-missing-day-9-portland-search-update/ KYRON HORMAN MISSING: Day 9 Portland Search Update Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Peace on June 13, 2010, 10:53:31 AM FWIW, I found this poster on Portland's Topic about Kyron. Looking at his profile, he concerns me. Yes, a troll, but the music he favors, a group named Rammstein has songs about pedophilia, incestuous pedophilia, necophilia,rape, and cannibalism. He brags about his Uzi.
http://www.topix.com/member/profile/richard_ I am amazed such a sick music group could have such a large following as well as win an MTV award. Boggles my mind anyway. I just wonder why he chose Kyron's board to be such a troll on. Wyks, I thank you for what you do especially considering you are 'in the know' of such cults. I have not found anything linking Kyron's case. I believe that area still has cult activity though. In that LE called in the FBI immediately, the local LE is a great representation of the best possible reaction in an abduction such as this and I greatly applaud their efforts. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Wyks on June 13, 2010, 11:35:13 AM Cartfly I believe one issue could be bandwidth. They are trying to figure out the server probs, and hopefully it's all temporary. I miss our emoticons too. Other large sites across the net (not just forums) are also having some server difficulty. Jess Thank you for all your hard work on behalf of Justice for Nevaeh. You are such a blessing to so many! I always look forward to your posts. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Itaryl Moosee on June 13, 2010, 11:57:40 AM About the police requesting video surveillance tapes...
I've been thinking, could they be corroborating someone's alibi? LE could check what the person did on June 3rd, the route they took home or the places they went... and then check on June 4th. If the person took a way-off route to go home or if they lied about where they went after school the morning of June 4th, they could be setting themselves for further investigation. ------- About the search near Sauvie Island, I heard a RUMOR that a footprint had been found yesterday. I repeat, a rumor. IF that is true, it had to be pretty clear to be identified as his, because when the clothing was described yesterday the shoes were described as WELL WORN Sketchers. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Wyks on June 13, 2010, 12:03:15 PM TG,
Thank you! :) and <hugs> back! This case is so very sad, and the possibilities are endless. Blink did refer in her comment section to someone working at the school who has been absent for many days following last Friday. (paraphrased). The link to that page is upthread, for anyone wanting to reread. I have the same questions as you do, TG. I just do not know why, if they realize the absence, that LE hasn't moved in and brought an end to this case. Evidently they are waiting... waiting... wish I knew why. But it seems that this man who has been missing works at the school, but isn't part of staff, is employed elsewhere. Maintenance man, landscaper, kitchen crew, office/class aide, playground monitor? Trying to brainstorm here. I cannot remember the name of the area with the horses, sorry. Do remember reading about it tho. I gotta go look it up now, cuz it's gonna bug me otherwise. lol Will let you know if I find any info. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Wyks on June 13, 2010, 01:26:06 PM Cartfly,
Thank you! :) First of all, I totally agree with you on how beautiful this area is. All up and down the western coast, simply gorgeous. Which is a big draw for many folks. The rural areas and the areas near the ocean and rivers especially beautiful. Which is one reason it saddens my heart that evil abounds in these areas. It can be so deceiving to many, who are drawn by the beauty, yet unaware of the dangers that may also be lurking. Just as anywhere else. My hope is that folks aren't blinded by the beauty, but keep their eyes open and alert, while they also enjoy the majestic scenery. As other monkeys have said, the possibilities are endless in this case. You've mentioned porn/meth, yes those are some possibilities. Especially in a remote area. The sad sad thing is that all of these possibilities could happen anywhere, across the states and beyond. It's not just isolated to this area. The wierdness, for me, is because of what I know to be true about this particular area.... because I lived thru it and survived. Many did not. I won't go into elaborate detail here, I don't want to derail the thread, more than I already might have. I just want this to be included as another possibility. Another monkey mentioned upthread a possibility that may go hand in hand with mine. Bohemian Grove. You might want to google that. It's the occult playground of the rich and powerful. Not in the Portland area tho, it's located in Monte Rio, CA... which is some 11 hours away. It's real, it's surrounded by secrecy. Anyone realize that every single one of our Presidents (incl Obama) "camp" there? Along with other 'elite' folks? Google is our friend, at times. So... what the heck am I talking about? In a word..... the satanic cult. Ok, that was three words. Folks turn a blind eye to this for many many reasons. One being that they just don't want to think for one minute that such evil does exist in our world, that human beings can be capable of such evil. I got news for those folks. It does indeed exist. I was born into a transgenerational cult, right in that area. How do I know it still exists? Because I have bio family members still living there. Another reason folks turn a blind eye to this is because secrecy is one of the most important elements. Evidence is hard to come by. And evidence is what LE needs in order to prosecute to the fullest extent of the law. The cult are pros at destroying evidence, and I won't even go into how they do that. So what does this have to do with Kyron going missing? Not sure that it does. It's a possibility tho. One of the cults big things to do is four times a year to kidnap someone for their activities. Some folks poo-poo that, saying what? how? oh heck, we'd know cuz folks would be going missing without a trace everywhere. Um... pssst... folks ARE going missing everywhere, without a trace. For folks who don't believe this can happen, that's ok. With great caution and care for your senses, you can read more about this online. Check out the four times in a year the words 'kidnap and hold' appear a week prior to large rituals. For those in therapy at the moment, I highly suggest you do not click on this link without your therapist's knowledge ahead of time. Just saying, protect your senses! http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/satanic_calendar.htm (http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/satanic_calendar.htm) Hopefully, the good news for Kyron is that the timing is off with his disappearance, for it to be the cult holding him for the next big ritual, which is in July. The one in June doesn't include kidnapping. As I said, I don't know for sure what happened to Kyron. Red flags go down for me, just as others who follow these cases. But when I get red flags AND the creepy crawlies up the back of my neck, then I sit up and pay closer attention. And the more info we get about this case, the more creepy crawlies I get. Just three of these are: ~ Kyron seems to have simply vanished, poof. That doesn't typically happen in a heavily populated location without a very careful plan ahead of time, by someone very experienced. IMO. ~ The dad and stepmom have been under 24/7 escort. Who is the escort, and why? For their protection? If so, against what? While at the same time, the community at large isn't in danger? IMO they and LE know exactly who/what they are up against. If this were the average, run-of-the-mill RSO (if there is such a thing), would they need a constant escort? Ermm no. ~ When the principal finally spoke with the public, he mentioned that this is a "criminal investigation". He was then immediately whisked out of there, the presser abruptly ended. LE is doing all they can NOT to publically call this investigation 'criminal'. Why not? Cartfly, if you or anyone else wants further info etc, you can contact me at Myst_Wyks@yahoo.com . I won't be silenced on this subject. Yet neither do I want to derail this thread further, when it 'might' just be one of the many possibilities in this case. Knowledge is power. My heart goes out to Kyron and those who love him. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tracygirl on June 13, 2010, 01:30:40 PM Wykes you have nanners
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Wyks on June 13, 2010, 01:56:38 PM FWIW, I found this poster on Portland's Topic about Kyron. Looking at his profile, he concerns me. Yes, a troll, but the music he favors, a group named Rammstein has songs about pedophilia, incestuous pedophilia, necophilia,rape, and cannibalism. He brags about his Uzi. http://www.topix.com/member/profile/richard_ I am amazed such a sick music group could have such a large following as well as win an MTV award. Boggles my mind anyway. I just wonder why he chose Kyron's board to be such a troll on. Wyks, I thank you for what you do especially considering you are 'in the know' of such cults. I have not found anything linking Kyron's case. I believe that area still has cult activity though. In that LE called in the FBI immediately, the local LE is a great representation of the best possible reaction in an abduction such as this and I greatly applaud their efforts. Very very odd about that poster at that site. Odder yet that a person with such 'interests' would be posting on Kyron's board. I totally agree with you Peace. Good catch there! And you're welcome. I do what I can, when possible, because victims have been silenced for so long. Because survivors need to step up with the truth, which can help the general public finally be able to understand and accept that this truly happens. It's not a myth. Trust me, I'm the first to wish it was. Sigh. If we survivors who know what the truth is, don't step out, then who will? Remember... incest, sexual abuse, domestic abuse, etc.. all of these forms of abuse was very hush hush, taboo, folks didn't talk about it... and not too long ago. It wasn't until survivors started coming forward and saying yes it DOES too happen! It happened to me... That's when folks everywhere began to believe, albeit not wanting to think about it being a possibility with humanity. My fav thing to do continues to be .. being a speaker in a church. Cuz it does happen even with a member of a church. Even so-called 'ritual abuse', which can take many forms. Doesn't have to be in an organized cult. Doesn't even have to be satanic. "Religious" rituals can take place. Abuse is abuse is abuse. And it can happen everywhere and anywhere, from the lowest form of humanity to the very high elite. It can even happen next door. Again, I've carefully said many times that I don't know for sure what happened to/with Kyron. And I'm not suggesting there are for sure signs that for sure point to a for sure someone, in his case. Am just saying that it's one of the many possibilities. The red flags are there for me. I have creepy crawlies up the back of my neck. Which I only get when there's a possibility of such as this. With all the red flags in the HaLeigh case, I don't get the creepy crawlies. Not in Caylee's case either. Not in several cases that I follow closely. But there are some cases, and I do think we need to keep an open mind to every possibility, until we know for sure what is what in a case. :) I agree with you regarding LE in this case, and have said in another post that LE in this case seems to be doing all they can for Kyron. We still don't know if this is an 'abduction' or not. They seem to be carefully calling this a 'missing person' case. Last I heard anyway. I have high hopes for the local LE, because of what we can see they have done, continue to do. And am grateful for their response/reactions so far. As is usual in most cases, they seem to be holding things to the vest, and am not surprised by that. Am waiting along with everyone else to hear what info/facts they are able to release. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Wyks on June 13, 2010, 01:57:57 PM Ok TG, thanks!
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tracygirl on June 13, 2010, 03:27:07 PM About the police requesting video surveillance tapes... I've been thinking, could they be corroborating someone's alibi? LE could check what the person did on June 3rd, the route they took home or the places they went... and then check on June 4th. If the person took a way-off route to go home or if they lied about where they went after school the morning of June 4th, they could be setting themselves for further investigation. ------- About the search near Sauvie Island, I heard a RUMOR that a footprint had been found yesterday. I repeat, a rumor. IF that is true, it had to be pretty clear to be identified as his, because when the clothing was described yesterday the shoes were described as WELL WORN Sketchers. Anyone saying where the search was? Someone on another site said a pumkin patch, so I am assuming it could be this one? http://www.thepumpkinpatch.com/ Seems to be a popular spot? Also, I am curious to know if it was near the elementary school on Sauvie Island. Any clue? Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Itaryl Moosee on June 13, 2010, 03:45:39 PM No idea where exactly. IF true, we will hear about that soon.
I was reading about the press conference, and it looks like it only lasted about 3 minutes and this is what was discussed: 1. There is now a $25,000 reward 2. Overall searches will be scaled down to only those pertaining to leads. 3. The case is now a criminal investigation. :(... Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Itaryl Moosee on June 13, 2010, 03:51:10 PM Forgot linking:
http://www.portlandtribune.com/news/story.php?story_id=127576029009015000 http://www.koinlocal6.com/content/news/topstories/story/Kyron-Horman-search-becomes-criminal/Dz4uMChK60KCWjy3W5FG4Q.cspx http://www.katu.com/news/local/96253939.html Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: MuffyBee on June 13, 2010, 05:32:59 PM http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/Media/kyron-horman-search-now-criminal-investigation/story?id=10903721
Search for Missing Boy Kyron Horman Now a Criminal Investigation June 13, 2010 Police leading the search for a 7-year-old Oregon boy who disappeared from his school 10 days ago announced today that their effort is now focused on a criminal investigation. Hundreds of investigators from across Oregon , as well as the FBI and National Guard, had joined the search for Kyron Horman, the second-grader who was last seen shortly after a science fair at his suburban Portland elementary school on June 4. An official from the Multnomah County Sheriff's Office said today that the search, the largest ever in Oregon, will be scaled back as the direction of the investigation shifts. Multnomah County Sheriff Dan Staton said the change the effort to find the boy would not be diminished. "It is not going to stop, and I am not going to cease in dedicating resources to locating Kyron," he said. Kyron was last seen by his stepmother, walking toward his Skyline Elementary School classroom after he had proudly displayed his science fair project on tree frogs. He was last seen wearing a "CSI" T-shirt and black cargo pants. The school is set on the edge of a deep woods, and initially the search had been focused on a two-mile radius, but was expanded Saturday when the team of investigators was expanded to 300, Sgt. Diana Olsen, the Multnomah County Sheriff's Office search and rescue coordinator, said Saturday. Police have said little about what they have learned in the days of desperate searching for Kyron and today was no different, though Olsen said search teams feel they are making progress. "We know where he's not," she said. "That means we're getting closer to where he is." Also on Saturday, one day after Kyron's family issued its first public statement, the family responded to questions about the little boy's personality today, through Multnomah County Sheriff's Captain Mike Shults, the liaison between Kyron's family and law enforcement. Red is his favorite color and he wants to be a police investigator when he grows up, the family said. He has a cat, Bootsie, who follows him around his property and meets him at the bus. He likes art, frogs and Hot Wheels, has a belly laugh and has lots of friends, the family said. On Friday, Kyron's family thanked the hundreds of people who have searched for the boy and sent a message of hope directly to him. We want to say how much we appreciate the outpouring of love and support as we wait for you," said the boy's stepfather, Tony Young. "Until you come home we are not a family." "Please, Kyron," Young said, hoping to speak directly to the missing second-grader, "keep up the hope. We believe in you." On Thursday, a National Guard helicopter and searchers on horses joined about 125 volunteers searching through rain-soaked brush and steep terrain around the Skyline Elementary School in Portland. The boy's father appealed to the community for help in finding the boy. "We as family know how difficult and stressful this is, but memories and statements can help find Kyron," Kaine Horman said at a news conference. "Please help us bring Kyron home," he said. Local, state and federal authorities have combed the area near the school. By the beginning of the week, more than two-thirds of the school's students, about 300 children in grades K-8, volunteered to be interviewed by police. The strain of the search was evident on the faces of Kyron's parents and stepparents, all of whom attended today's press conference wearing matching "Missing" T-shirts with pictures of Kyron's face on them. "One little boy's smile can impact a community," Kyron's stepfather said. Police on Wednesday said they had received more than 1,200 tips, mostly from Oregon and Washington state. "We are looking for a living Kyron Horman," said Multnomah County Sheriff's Capt. Jason Gates at the time. Gina Zimmerman, president of the school PTA, told the Portland Oregonian this week that her 8-year-old daughter Madi has been a classmate of Kyron's for three years. "He's not the type of child who would just go out of school and go searching or wandering around," Zimmerman said. "He's just a timid, sweet boy. "Everybody's just worried and in shock that this could happen in our little school where everybody knows everybody," she said. "We will keep a contingent of local search and rescue crews on call to respond to any tip or investigative [any] lead that needs to be checked out," Capt. Monte Reiser said today at a news conference. "All along we have said that we are looking at a full spectrum of possibilities as to what happened to Kyron. "With the search and rescue mission completed at this time, we are moving operations toward the criminal investigative end of the spectrum," he said. "While we are still keeping all options open, it's a natural progression to move the overall focus to a criminal case." Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: JessStar on June 13, 2010, 06:04:07 PM Tracygirl, despite our occasional differences in opinion, we always keep the focus where it needs to be- on the children. I have a great great great deal of respect for you because of that. It's healthy to be able to debate issues with people that don't take it personally and, even more, doesn't resort to personal attacks. I feel I got to "know" you pretty well when Sandra's ordeal was hot and heavy. You're a great person.
In this case, I think you are right on. I have a hard time thinking a vagrant just walked into this school and took this little boy. Yes stranger things have happened. And there are pedophiles out there that become so desperate to satisfy their sick urges that they will take the chance. But for some reason that doesn't seem likely here. This is apparently a small school on a small area where everyone knows everyone. I think this little boy went willingly with someone he knew. And I really don't think it's beyond the realm of possibility that someone in that school helped. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: JessStar on June 13, 2010, 06:15:20 PM Thanks wykes, tg, cookie, cartfly, eveyone for their kind thoughts and comments. You know, there comes a
point in everyone's life when they throw their hands up in the air and scream "ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!" I've reached that point. No, I'm well beyond that point. All of these cases would go away if adults would just accept their obligations to Protect our children. This is everyone's responsibility. We can't be afraid to intervene on behalf of a child that is being mistreated. I've made it my mission. You'll be hearing much more about Justice for Nevaeh. The group isn't just about Nevaeh. It's about the children. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: klaasend on June 13, 2010, 06:46:34 PM NEW BLINK POST:
http://blinkoncrime.com/2010/06/13/kyron-horman-missing-and-endangered-would-opening-boy-scout-perv-files-help-find-him/ Kyron Horman Missing and Endangered: Would Opening Boy Scout Perv Files Help Find Him? Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: klaasend on June 13, 2010, 07:17:44 PM Don't miss Dana Pretzer tonight. I believe BLINK will be on tonight as well to discuss this case!
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub8/Pretzer061310.jpg) Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: cartfly on June 13, 2010, 10:06:23 PM Cartfly, Hi Wyks!!,Thank you! :) First of all, I totally agree with you on how beautiful this area is. All up and down the western coast, simply gorgeous. Which is a big draw for many folks. The rural areas and the areas near the ocean and rivers especially beautiful. Which is one reason it saddens my heart that evil abounds in these areas. It can be so deceiving to many, who are drawn by the beauty, yet unaware of the dangers that may also be lurking. Just as anywhere else. My hope is that folks aren't blinded by the beauty, but keep their eyes open and alert, while they also enjoy the majestic scenery. As other monkeys have said, the possibilities are endless in this case. You've mentioned porn/meth, yes those are some possibilities. Especially in a remote area. The sad sad thing is that all of these possibilities could happen anywhere, across the states and beyond. It's not just isolated to this area. The wierdness, for me, is because of what I know to be true about this particular area.... because I lived thru it and survived. Many did not. I won't go into elaborate detail here, I don't want to derail the thread, more than I already might have. I just want this to be included as another possibility. Another monkey mentioned upthread a possibility that may go hand in hand with mine. Bohemian Grove. You might want to google that. It's the occult playground of the rich and powerful. Not in the Portland area tho, it's located in Monte Rio, CA... which is some 11 hours away. It's real, it's surrounded by secrecy. Anyone realize that every single one of our Presidents (incl Obama) "camp" there? Along with other 'elite' folks? Google is our friend, at times. So... what the heck am I talking about? In a word..... the satanic cult. Ok, that was three words. Folks turn a blind eye to this for many many reasons. One being that they just don't want to think for one minute that such evil does exist in our world, that human beings can be capable of such evil. I got news for those folks. It does indeed exist. I was born into a transgenerational cult, right in that area. How do I know it still exists? Because I have bio family members still living there. Another reason folks turn a blind eye to this is because secrecy is one of the most important elements. Evidence is hard to come by. And evidence is what LE needs in order to prosecute to the fullest extent of the law. The cult are pros at destroying evidence, and I won't even go into how they do that. So what does this have to do with Kyron going missing? Not sure that it does. It's a possibility tho. One of the cults big things to do is four times a year to kidnap someone for their activities. Some folks poo-poo that, saying what? how? oh heck, we'd know cuz folks would be going missing without a trace everywhere. Um... pssst... folks ARE going missing everywhere, without a trace. For folks who don't believe this can happen, that's ok. With great caution and care for your senses, you can read more about this online. Check out the four times in a year the words 'kidnap and hold' appear a week prior to large rituals. For those in therapy at the moment, I highly suggest you do not click on this link without your therapist's knowledge ahead of time. Just saying, protect your senses! http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/satanic_calendar.htm (http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/satanic_calendar.htm) Hopefully, the good news for Kyron is that the timing is off with his disappearance, for it to be the cult holding him for the next big ritual, which is in July. The one in June doesn't include kidnapping. As I said, I don't know for sure what happened to Kyron. Red flags go down for me, just as others who follow these cases. But when I get red flags AND the creepy crawlies up the back of my neck, then I sit up and pay closer attention. And the more info we get about this case, the more creepy crawlies I get. Just three of these are: ~ Kyron seems to have simply vanished, poof. That doesn't typically happen in a heavily populated location without a very careful plan ahead of time, by someone very experienced. IMO. ~ The dad and stepmom have been under 24/7 escort. Who is the escort, and why? For their protection? If so, against what? While at the same time, the community at large isn't in danger? IMO they and LE know exactly who/what they are up against. If this were the average, run-of-the-mill RSO (if there is such a thing), would they need a constant escort? Ermm no. ~ When the principal finally spoke with the public, he mentioned that this is a "criminal investigation". He was then immediately whisked out of there, the presser abruptly ended. LE is doing all they can NOT to publically call this investigation 'criminal'. Why not? Cartfly, if you or anyone else wants further info etc, you can contact me at Myst_Wyks@yahoo.com . I won't be silenced on this subject. Yet neither do I want to derail this thread further, when it 'might' just be one of the many possibilities in this case. Knowledge is power. My heart goes out to Kyron and those who love him. Thank you so much for the insight and giving me more info on the cult scene. I am so intrigued and scared what I may learn at the same time. I love your passion and drive to not be silenced about this. Hugs>>> to you! I know it must take a lot out of you to discuss these issues. They say God has a plan for each of us, maybe this is his plan for you, to be that advocate for those children. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: cartfly on June 13, 2010, 10:18:05 PM I remember reading (I will have to figure out where I saw this) that Kyron's StepDad is a LE officer. I think it was said that he was involved in prosecuting several "gang" related crimes/mexican mafia. I do not know this as fact but I will try to go back and find where I read this. Anyone else see anything like that?
The reason I bring this up is may be this is a retaliation crime against biomom and Step Dad. Also, we know who Terri's Mom and Dad is. Do we know anything about Dad's immediate family? Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: MuffyBee on June 13, 2010, 10:51:34 PM http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/kyron_horman_t-shirts_availabl.html
Kyron Horman T-shirts available to get word out June 13, 2010 Jackie Koehler came from Tualatin this afternoon to pick up a T-shirt with missing second-grader Kyron Horman's picture on it -- the same one his family has worn to publicize his disappearance and spread the word as far as they can in the hopes that someone may have seen the boy. Though the white shirts are free, Koehler came prepared to pay. "I came with my money out and everything," she said. "I am a stay-at-home mom, and I have been following this everyday. If I get up in the middle of the night ... I check my computer to see if there's been updates." Koehler, 44, also grabbed shirts for her each of her five children -- the youngest is 9 and attends Tualatin Elementary School. She said she's put up posters, printed pictures for people she knows who don't have access to a computer and she and her family took doughnuts to searchers. "It's just heartbreaking when you have kids yourself," she said. Koehler's friend, Danny Campbell, 45, also of Tualatin, said people getting the shirts shows solidarity in the community. "It exposes the fact that people are aware," he said. "It shows that the community is growing together and working together." Patrick Castro of Northeast Portland doesn't have children, but he said he, too, is doing all he can to get the word out about Kyron, who went missing June 4 from Skyline School in northwest Multnomah County. Castro, 47, tunes in for every briefing and stays connected with the case via Facebook. He plans to wear his shirt to work Monday. "This spreads the word even more," he said. "This allows people who are away from the television, who don't have a computer or who didn't read the newspaper to see someone wearing a T-shirt with this little boy. Any attention is important." For 21-year-old Lacy House, the shirts continue to send a message of support and hope to the family. "Everyone I know -- and myself -- is there for the family," said House, who has a 2-year-old son. "There are a lot of people who care; I hope they know that." Kyron T-shirts The T-shirts can be picked up at the Multnomah County Sheriff's Office Hansen Building, 12240 N.E. Glisan Street in Portland. There are three boxes of shirts with about 100 total Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: MuffyBee on June 13, 2010, 10:53:51 PM http://www.opposingviews.com/i/latest-on-search-for-missing-oregon-boy-kyron-horman
Latest on Search for Missing Oregon Boy Kyron Horman June 13, 2010 Video by Mark Berman Opposing Views (2 Hours Ago) in Society / Crime The search has widened for missing 7-year-old Kyron Horman. He was last seen June 4th by his stepmother walking towards his classroom. Police call Kyron an "endangered missing child." Investigators, who officially declared the case a "criminal investigation" on Sunday, are asking for any video taken that day in and around the school and local community. MSNBC takes a look at the puzzling case: (Video at link top of this page) Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: MuffyBee on June 13, 2010, 10:55:23 PM http://www.examiner.com/x-52289-Portland-Pop-Culture-Examiner~y2010m6d13-Kyron-Horman-Search-Aggressive-Search-for-7-YearOld
Missing Kyron Horman: learn more about who Kyron Horman is June 13, 2010 Portland, Ore.-what is missing Kyron Horman about? The 7 year-old Portland boy has been missing for 10 days and still no signs of finding him. The search for second grader, Kyron Horman, is the largest in Oregon history and the relentless investigations into his disappearance continue aggressively. His family provided detailed answers that were read in a news conference given by Capt. Mike Shults of the Multnomah County Sheriff's office. The video can be seen on OregonLive . Capt. Mike Shults is leading the investigation and works closely with Kyron's family. He answered many questions the public wants to know about the little boy. The main focus was on what type of child Kyron is. What are his interests, his personality, what he does? This gives further insight into what Kyron Horman is all about. About missing Kyron Horman - "a very loving child with warmth and enthusiasm" "Kyron is very quiet and a very loving child..demonstrating warmth and enthusiasm for the people and activities that he loves," Capt. Shults read off a piece of paper. "Some of the things that he enjoys are playing with his hot wheels cars, fishing, his art work, and playing with Bootsy and Ernie. He loves to go on trips where he gets to fly on airplanes." Capt. Shults explained "And I'll tell you Bootsy is the cat...more or less like a security cat, because every time I walk the property that cat is with me." Kaine Horman, Kyron's father, told Capt. Shults stories of Bootsy being at Kyron's side - walking to the bus stop with him and there when was dropped off to make sure he got home. "Ernie is their canine in Medford and a sense of joy for him," Capt. Shults elaborated. About missing Kyron Horman - "makes friends easily and a laugh that is infectious" Kyron is the kind of kid everyone likes and is drawn to. Capt. Shults read the following description of the missing 7 year-old at the news conference. "Kyron easily makes friends with other kids his age. He has a belly laugh that is infectious. When you hear it, you can't help but laugh, too. He is quick witted and makes any situation funny. He looks up to his big brothers and enjoys spending time with them. They dance and rock out in the living room. Kyron is the type of kid that can play by himself for hours or quickly become the center of attention with his family." About missing Kyron Horman - "he wants to be a police detective and an investigator" Capt. Shults prepared everyone for this answer when he said what Kyron wants to be when he grows up. "I did not answer this question before I ask it, so you must believe me here when I tell you this," Capt. Shults said with a slight smile. "He wants to be a police detective and an investigator. So that kid's a smart kid." About missing Kyron Horman - "looking forward to annual trips" this summer "Kyron is looking forward to going to his annual trips, California spend time with his friends, a trip to Seaside for his birthday, he's going to go on a houseboat trip to Shasta Lake in August, and a Hellgate Jetboat Excursion in July. He got a fishing pole for Christmas he's been practicing with in the back yard. So, he's been looking forward to the many camping and fishing trips." About missing Kyron Horman - "excited about his red-eyed tree frog diorama" the morning he disappeared Another question answered by Kyron's family was if Kyron was in a good mood in the morning he disappeared after the school's science fair. Capt. Shults read from the page of writing, "He was very excited about his red-eyed tree frog diorama and his poster board that he and his dad has been working on. Kyron is very proud of the project he worked on because he did a lot of the diorama himself." If anyone has any information or tips on finding missing Kyron Horman, call 503-261-2847 or your nearest FBI office. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: MuffyBee on June 13, 2010, 10:57:58 PM http://www.kptv.com/news/23886833/detail.html
June 13: Sheriff's Statement On Kyron Horman's Disappearance June 13, 2010 The following are statements released by the Multnomah County Sheriff's Office on June 13, 2010, in regards to the disappearance of Kyron Horman. STATEMENT FROM CAPT. MONTE REISER: Good afternoon. I am Multnomah County Sheriff's Office Captain Monte Reiser. We're here today with Kyron's family. Again, they are not prepared to answer questions today -- but they wanted to show their support for the ongoing operations. Kyron's family has received a large shipment of Kyron's missing-person T-shirts that they would like to provide to the community. The shirts will be available on a first-come, first-served basis at the Multnomah County Sheriff's Office Hansen Building, located at 12240 NE Glisan Street in Portland, Oregon. T-shirts will be available at 3 p.m. today. Also, Sheriff Dan Staton is going to make a statement shortly -- but I want to start with an update on the logistics of the search for Kyron. We are on Day 10 of the search. As of this afternoon, the search-and-rescue crews will have completed the mission that we set out for them. And that mission was to search -- and in many cases search two or three or more times -- EVERY location of interest. That includes an extremely wide area of land around the school, around the home and the land in-between. It also includes a number of individual locations that have come up as a result of tips and investigative leads that we have been working. We know that search-and-rescue crews have done an exceptional and very thorough job in difficult terrain and, at times, under extremely difficult circumstances. To that end, most of the search-and-rescue crews will be going home today. We will keep a contingent of local search-and-rescue crews on call to respond to any tip or investigative lead that needs to be checked out. All along, we have said that we are looking at the full spectrum of possibilities as to what may have happened to Kyron. With the search-and-rescue mission completed at this time, we are moving operations toward the criminal investigative end of the spectrum. While we still are keeping all options open, it is a natural progression to move the overall focus to a criminal case. As part of that shift, you will start to see the day-to-day operations of this investigation move from the Skyline location to the Sheriff's Office Hansen Building headquarters (12240 NE Glisan). It is very important to us that family and friends of Kyron -- as well as the public -- know that our commitment and resources are unwavering. This shift will give our investigators better access to the needed administrative and technical support that was available -- but more challenging -- at Skyline. We will make this a gradual process that you will see happening over the next few days to ensure that we don't interrupt ongoing work. I'd now like to introduce Sheriff Staton, who has an announcement regarding this investigation. STATEMENT FROM SHERIFF DAN STATON: Good afternoon. Today, I'd like to announce the establishment of a reward of up to $25,000, offered via the Multnomah County Sheriff's Office. This reward is offered in return for SPECIFIC information that leads us to Kyron. We have said many times over the past 10 days that we need your tips. It is oftentimes the smallest detail -- something that may seem inconsequential to you -- that is the piece of the puzzle we need to crack this open. If you saw or heard something unusual or know anything about Kyron, give our investigators a call or send us an email. We have said this many times before: There may be one nugget of information out of a thousand in those tips ... but we need your help in finding it. If you have information, but aren't sure of its value, give us a call and let our investigators evaluate it and decide. As I stand here before you, I want to once again thank everyone who has helped us in this extraordinary case -- from the search-and-rescue crews slogging through ravines of mud to the investigators from virtually every law-enforcement agency in the region who have responded to our calls for help. These folks -- many with kids of their own -- have come to our side as we work with a singular goal of bringing Kyron home. I know that the public has a very keen interest in knowing every detail of Kyron's disappearance, and I appreciate that. But, as Capt. Reiser said, we are now classifying this as a criminal investigation. Because of that, there are still a number of details that we cannot get into with regards to what we are doing and how we are doing it. We can take a few limited questions -- but please know that when we don't answer your question, we believe it is in the best overall interest of the case. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tracygirl on June 14, 2010, 12:04:40 AM I feel so deflated this evening that this is going to end like the countless others on this board. I pray to God this story will have a happy ending.
I don't know what else to do, so at times like this I will do what I always do and just pray. I believe so strongly in the power of prayer. Regardless of your religious faith, please tonight, ask for Gods (or whom ever your pray to) grace on this child and to bring him home safe and sound. Please God grant this mircle I ask of you tonight. Please bring Kyron home to the waiting arms of his family. God they love him so much and need him home. We are all so worried for this child. Please God wrap your loving light around Kyron and his family, protect them from harm and comfort their hearts. Please God I beg of you to hear my prayer. In your loving and graceful name I pray, Amen Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: cartfly on June 14, 2010, 12:26:16 AM I feel so deflated this evening that this is going to end like the countless others on this board. I pray to God this story will have a happy ending. Amen, Tracy!! Thank you for this prayer and I will continue to pray as well for Kyron's safe return.I don't know what else to do, so at times like this I will do what I always do and just pray. I believe so strongly in the power of prayer. Regardless of your religious faith, please tonight, ask for Gods (or whom ever your pray to) grace on this child and to bring him home safe and sound. Please God grant this mircle I ask of you tonight. Please bring Kyron home to the waiting arms of his family. God they love him so much and need him home. We are all so worried for this child. Please God wrap your loving light around Kyron and his family, protect them from harm and comfort their hearts. Please God I beg of you to hear my prayer. In your loving and graceful name I pray, Amen Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Deenie on June 14, 2010, 04:11:35 AM Deenie, I read your post and wanted to respond to you with a great big hug ((((((((hug)))))))) you are a sweet person who will someday find great rewards for your kindness. Bless you I Love You Back - I want you to know TG that Nevaeh was on the front page of the Detroit News Today - Free Press. That she IS Not Forgotten. Link for You http://www.freep.com/article/20100613/FEATURES01/6130459/One-year-later-Who-killed-Nevaeh-Buchanan?- xoxo Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Deenie on June 14, 2010, 04:40:49 AM I have to believe that there is humanity within all of us. I have never found the Step-Mom on my Hinkey meter. I think its too easy to poke at her and create her to be the scape goat.
I think that someone was watching Kyron and or his family - or had special interest of some sort ..that they took Kyron for ??? People are victims for reasons. Reasons that most of us will never understand. People who are sick in the head - latch on to " unknown individuals or even known people and stalk their patterns of day to day doings".. so then we find ourselves here. With Kyron missing. Someone knew his patterns of life, his family. Someone that was paying very close attention ..for reason of ?? I do not believe that this was random. I do think that this was planned and the science fair / talent show was the " IN" for whoever was watching Kyron's family and or him as a child. Its just so disturbing. All of it. Wyks .. I hope you do not mind, but I wrote down your email addy. I am going to send you nanners soon. I have a feeling though that LE/FBI know something and not willing to say. That it will cause mass hysteria within the parents of Kyron's community. jmo. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Deenie on June 14, 2010, 04:51:47 AM Adding that the FBI have put Kyron on their website is very telling. Just like when Lindsey Baum was added to the site " Interpol" many months after her being Missing.
Someone knows something within Federal investigations ... So many Children are reported missing and not found within weeks - yet, for them to be put on the FBI website is ' quite the mention' that this is not a parental issue, nor related - Nor Small Time within who is responsible for Kyron's disappearance. http://www.fbi.gov/wanted.htm Kyron is Front Page of the FBI " ENDANGERED MISSING PERSON" as of less than 24 hours ago. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Deenie on June 14, 2010, 06:13:56 AM My last two cents of thoughts. If they would have issued a Amber Alert on Kyron within the hour he was " Missing" possibly we would not be at this standstill - as we find it today. We all know the rules, must be a vehicle noticed with a license plate. I say Grrr. For a Amber Alert to be issued. I just feel that if the local law enforcement would have issued his Photo- His Info- His all of everything - as a AMBER Alert - he could be already safe and home.
The Amber Alert System is put into place for a reason. For notification of a Missing child. This Child is Missing " Have You Seen this child" its imperative within the first few hours that this go out. They created a B.O.L.O Alert under the Amber Alert. Be on the lookout for - such Child. Why did they not issue a BOLO Alert on Kyron. I don't understand the formalities of the red tape. Kyron is not 12, he is not a tween. He is 7 yrs old. He is not a endangered runaway at this point. ( as in ) He didn't have his homies pick him up and take him to a safe haven .. because he was not happy at home. I searched all over the net for the description or Law set for a B.O.L.O - came up with nothing. I did find that the FBI uses the term of BOLO for Terrorists .. http://search.fbi.gov/search?site=my_collection&output=xml_no_dtd&client=my_collection&proxystylesheet=my_collection&q=BOLO&submit22.x=0&submit22.y=0 Thinking of Stories I have read in the news of a child " attempted to be taken by a perp" say at a major dept store/or store - the Parents notify security and they/store respond by shutting the store down - lock all the doors. Nine times out of ten the child is recovered inside the store - That is called immediate reaction. That is what was lacking in Kyron's School .. not that it would have helped at that moment, unless someone realized he was " not around" ... seems within all the reports NO One found him " out of place". NO One thought it was strange he was not accounted for within the day till it was too late. He was initially inside the school at one time...Who dropped the ball ? ( Not saying the school is solely responsible for him going poof) But WHO seriously dropped the Ball that this child was unaccounted for and that NO one called HOME early in the day to Check ?? Was Kyron picked up without us/school knowing? The speculation that the Step Mom said he had an appointment or whatever is mute at this point. I understand that his school was very small and with little technology of reporting children absent etc. * I find it to be just what it is an excuse. I know though, as a parent, that if I did not call into the office school within a certain time in the early am ( My Daughter being ill ) .. They would call me. They were not nice about it either. They would Demand WHY is your child not in school? I find it messed up that he was recorded IN at one point and then not known after that. Did someone come and get him and sign him out - Did his teacher take a Minute to go find that out? Since he was once there and then not in her class? She could have taken a moment to find that out, I would think. Science Fair and Talent show ... set aside. If you have a child in your room and he is accounted for am - and then you do not see him after that ?? Are you kidding me? Mid Day..NO one called his Parents. No one made the assumption something was wrong .. just to make a welfare check -call to ask. Something just doesn't add up. The school was not huge (space wise/enrollment) by any means - to me would scream " all the children were known by staff" being it so small. The Kids are to come first and they were the Noted of the day within their contributions of Science Fair and Talent show. They all worked very hard for their contributions. The Talent show I am sure had a plan within it - who was to go on and etc .. that the kids worked hard to create the show and someone was in charge of it. Why was Kyron not noticed " missing" at any point, prior to the end of the school day? Skyline Elementary School Rated by Parents - Link: http://www.fresno.schools.net/school/parentReviews.page?id=927&state=OR Snipped Parent from 2007 - We love Skyline.There are many e/c activities to choose from: soccer, basketball, baseball, music, Science, Scouts, Outdoor Club, etc.The teachers, staff, and parents are all extremely dedicated to the education/well being of our kids. When you look around at Skyline, the kids are happy and accepting of eachother. The teachers know everyone's names, and your child doesn't get lost in the crowd like at a larger school. We chose to live here because Skyline is our neighborhood school. Submitted by a parent -- ? Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: MuffyBee on June 14, 2010, 08:35:43 AM http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/kyron_horman_search_wraps_up_a.html
(video) Kyron Horman search wraps up as disappearance case now moves to criminal investigation June 13, 2010 A massive search for a 7-year-old boy ended quietly Sunday as rescue teams from around the region wrapped up their tasks and headed home, unable to uncover any sign of second-grader Kyron Horman after 10 days. The case -- which had centered on locating a missing child -- is now a criminal investigation with an offer of a $25,000 reward for tips that lead to finding him. Multnomah County Sheriff Dan Staton vowed to keep looking. "We will be continuing this investigation. It is not going to stop, and I am not going to cease in dedicating resources to locating Kyron," Staton said, choking up several times. The boy vanished from Skyline School on June 4. He had visited his red-eyed tree frog exhibit with his stepmother at the science fair about 8 a.m. He wasn't reported missing until that afternoon, when she called the school to say he had not been on the bus. Kyron's disappearance stunned this rural part of northwest Multnomah County. His face -- with a toothy grin and little eyeglasses -- now graces T-shirts, fliers, overpass banners and websites with the word "missing." Authorities have given no information about what they think might have happened to Kyron, described as sweet, timid and a little bit dreamy. "He's our boy, and he's gone," said a teary Vickie Coghill, who manages the Brooks Hill Historic Church, where reporters and camera crews have camped out across the street from Skyline since the disappearance. The search for Kyron has become one of the largest in the state's history, with more than 1,300 people from across Oregon, Washington and Northern California fanning out over a two-mile radius around the school. The area is wooded, hilly and filled with fields of tall grass. Searchers also have focused on Sauvie Island, about a 6-mile drive from the rescue base camp on Northwest Quarry Road near the school. The case now will shift to the Multnomah County sheriff's administrative office in outer Northeast Portland. Officials called the change a "natural progression," given that searchers have scoured the immediate area and "every location of interest." The crews "have done an exceptional and very thorough job in difficult terrain and, at times, under extremely difficult circumstances," said sheriff's Capt. Monte Reiser . "To that end, most of the search-and-rescue crews will be going home." Local search-and-rescue crews will remain on call to follow up on any tip or lead in the investigation that needs checking, he said. Kyron's family understands and supports the change, the sheriff said. He's not downsizing the investigation, only the search portion, he said. The family made only its second public appearance Sunday. The boy's mother and stepmother, father and stepfather lined up behind Staton, next to a blown-up photo of Kyron, but did not speak and took no question at a news conference. Kyron's stepmother, Terri Horman, who was the last family member to see him on June 4, gripped the hand of the boy's mother, Desiree Young. Kyron's father, Kaine Horman, had his arm around his wife. Authorities have released few details, declining to say where they were searching and why. They wouldn't say why they decided to classify the case as a criminal investigation. Capt. Jason Gates declined to say whether authorities are considering Kyron's disappearance a kidnapping. As the operation ratcheted back, about 210 searchers went out Sunday, many of them spotted at Sauvie Island again. They were on foot and on horses; some were delivered to the island by TriMet buses. At the base camp, Linn County Deputy Sheriff Joe Larsen said he and a team of four deputies and 14 high school volunteers from Albany arrived Saturday and took part in three separate search assignments, through steep terrain, underbrush and blackberry bushes. Larsen showed the insides of his arms covered in scratches. "It's nasty stuff," he said. The sheriff's office also made available dozens of T-shirts that Kyron's family had printed, bearing his photo and statistics. Their hope is to keep his image in the public eye. Patrick Castro, 47, was among the first to snap up one of the free shirts. He doesn't have children, but he said he wants to do all he can to get the word out about Kyron. The Northeast Portland resident plans to wear his shirt to work today. "This spreads the word even more," he said. "This allows people who are away from the television, who don't have a computer or who didn't read the newspaper to see someone wearing a T-shirt with this little boy. Any attention is important." The decision to power down the search came on a sun-dappled day when bicyclists and joggers shared roads with searchers on Sauvie Island. Back at the church and school, it was quiet for most of the day, save for the occasional bird song and whir of cyclists. After an afternoon news briefing, church building manager Coghill kissed her fingers and planted them on the photo of Kyron. "Every morning I say a prayer and give him a kiss and give him an 'attaboy,'" she said. Another church nearby had the same idea. Its sign out front had just three words: "Pray for Kyron." To help T-shirts available: About 100 T-shirts with Kyron Horman's picture are available on a first-come, first-served basis at the Multnomah County Sheriff's Office Hansen Building, 12240 N.E. Glisan Street in Portland. Video footage: The Multnomah County Sheriff's Office is seeking video of traffic on 15 Portland roads taken June 3 and June 4, the day Kyron Horman disappeared. Call the search tip line and leave your contact information and the location or street address where you took the footage. The streets: Northwest Cornelius Pass Road, Northwest Germantown Road, Northwest Logie Trail Road, Northwest Rocky Point Road, Northwest Skyline Road, Northwest 185th Avenue, Northwest West Union Road, Northwest Springville Road, Bethany Boulevard, Northwest Newberry Road, Northwest McNamee Road, U.S. 30 between Northwest Rocky Point Road to Northwest Germantown Road, Northwest Kaiser Road, Northwest Thompson Road, Northwest Laidlaw Road. Tip line: 503-261-2847 Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: pamomma on June 14, 2010, 09:38:26 AM Kyron Horman search may have suffered from confluence of delays Published: Saturday, June 12, 2010, 8:00 PM Updated: Saturday, June 12, 2010, 8:23 PM Noelle Crombie, The Oregonian Noelle Crombie, The Oregonian On the morning Kyron Horman was last seen, he was Skyline School's resident expert on red-eyed tree frogs at the school science fair. Then the second-grader vanished and was gone nearly seven hours before anyone noticed. Kyron's stepmother met the school bus about 3:30 p.m. but the bespectacled 7-year-old wasn't aboard. She called Skyline and the school secretary called 9-1-1. During the next 4 1/2 hours, authorities mobilized a full-scale search effort involving federal agents who specialize in child abduction cases. But by then it was almost nightfall. Time had long become the enemy. "This investigation really got going eight to 12 hours after it should have," said Clint Van Zandt, a former FBI profiler and Virginia-based security consultant. "Whatever happened to this little boy, by the time authorities really geared up, they were 12 hours behind the power curve. "That is a long time to be behind in a case like this," he said. A confluence of factors meant searchers lost key hours: The initial report was given the "lOfficials at Skyline School didn't notify the boy's parents after realizing he was absent.owest priority" rating by emergency dispatchers. Rush-hour traffic on Friday evening delayed arrival of trained searchers, who gathered first at the Multnomah County Sheriff's patrol office in outer Northeast Portland, then traveled to the site. Getting to the school and Kyron's neighborhood, in the rural northwestern corner of Multnomah County, took more than a half-hour. And though news organizations reported late Friday that Kyron was missing, authorities didn't issue a full press release until the following morning. Once notified, Multnomah County authorities responded swiftly but critical hours already had been lost, Sheriff Dan Staton said. "This is what is hugely disturbing to me," he told The Oregonian Saturday. "The fact that you had a child in school and the last time the child was seen is at 9 in the morning – there are concerns about that lag time. If the child had walked away from the school, the likelihood of finding him under those circumstances would have been extremely high. "After five hours," the sheriff said, "you know as well as I do how far a child could walk on a roadway." Across the country each year, 115 children on average are abducted by strangers or an acquaintance, according to a 2008 report by the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children. Most are found within hours. But a quarter of abducted children are killed. The center's statistics showed that 76 percent of those children die within three hours of being kidnapped. Though rare, all missing children investigations share an essential element: time. "Valuable hours were lost because, frankly, no one knew where (Kyron) was," said Bob Lowery, a former homicide commander in the Midwest and executive director of the missing children division of the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children. Added Van Zandt: "As time goes on, it becomes more critical and the potential for some harm to come to this child is greater." Skyline School officials first realized there was a problem after the school day had ended. Kyron's stepmother, Terri Moulton Horman, said the boy wasn't on the school bus. School secretary Susan Hall called 9-1-1 at 3:56 p.m. That triggered a page to Portland Public Schools security. At some point that day, Kyron's teacher had marked the boy absent – district officials refuse to say when – but that didn't prompt a call home because Skyline School lacked an automatic notification policy. That has since changed. Staton said dispatchers at the Bureau of Emergency Communications classified the call from Skyline as "lowest priority." Dispatchers generally classify calls based on who's calling, what information they provide, whether there is an indication of danger or a medical issue. Within minutes, Portland police and Multnomah County sheriff's deputies were dispatched. About a half-hour passed before they pulled up to the school and the Horman home, about 2 1/2 miles from the school. The official search for Kyron began at 4:33 p.m. Among those responding were a sergeant, a police dog and about eight Portland officers. They searched around the school, hoping the shy boy had gone home with someone he knew. Staton said even before certified searchers arrived, police had searched the school, many of the main roads and the boy's home. On any given day, kids don't ride the bus when they should, prompting parents to call their school, said Matt Shelby, spokesman for the school district. "Nine times out of 10 they're found within the hour or so," he said. But police found no trace of Kyron. Shortly after 5:30 p.m., school authorities alerted parents through an automated phone message. "Kyron Horman did not arrive at home today," the message said. The alert was intended for Skyline parents, but it went out to other parents, too. Anyone who'd seen Kyron was asked to call police. "The only thing we knew is that he was missing," Shelby said. The sheriff's office began calling trained searchers at 5:30 p.m. The first search teams arrived at 8:09 p.m. The search and rescue coordinator, Deputy Mark Herron, arrived at 8:25 p.m. Among those who got a call that night was sheriff's Sgt. Travis Gullberg, a search and rescue coordinator. "We've got a scenario developing," Detective Sgt. Lee Gosson told him. Sometime between 7 and 7:45 p.m., Staton personally called the FBI. He said the circumstances – Kyron disappeared from school on a busy morning – prompted him to ask for help from the feds. "I wanted them involved because the last time this child was seen was inside a school," he said. "This was not a child walking away from their home or getting lost in the woods. This is a child who got lost inside a school with faculty there. That was the last time the child was seen." The bureau pulled in agents from across the country. Two who would help with the technical aspect arrived that night. Another set of agents with expertise in missing-child cases landed at midnight. More joined Saturday morning. By then, Kyron had been gone for 24 hours. While local news organizations heard reports about a possible missing child over their police scanners, and began trying to sort out what was going on, official public notification of the media was slow and sketchy. Portland school officials didn't issue a press release that afternoon, and the public information officer for the Multnomah County Sheriff's Office only learned of the investigation some time that night between 7 and 7:15. About an hour later, a sheriff's official met some reporters at Skyline School and released a photo of the boy, but the agency issued its first official news release on the investigation about 9 a.m. the next day. Staton said his agency responded quickly to Kyron's disappearance. "For the location of the school," Staton said, "this is a really good response time, especially when you are talking about a Friday, the time of day, rushing through traffic to get out here." The FBI often volunteers personnel when children vanish. But the bureau does not consider itself a first responder in such emergencies, FBI spokeswoman Beth Anne Steele said. "Relatively speaking," she said, "we were notified very early in the process." It's been more than a week since Kyron's stepmother saw him walk toward his classroom in Skyline School after the pair toured the school science fair and admired Kyron's tree frog project. Investigators now characterize Kyron as a missing and endangered child. The investigation, in its 10th day Sunday, is one of the largest ever overseen by the Multnomah County Sheriff's Office and has included more than 500 searchers. But Van Zandt said the likelihood that Kyron wandered out of the school, got hurt and is awaiting rescue is fading. "The chances are getting slimmer and slimmer that that is what happened to him and that he could ... survive," Van Zandt said. The moment an adult took note that Kyron wasn't at school Friday, an effort to locate him should have been set in motion, he said. "And within an hour instead of 12 hours," he said, "this case would have been moving." Kimberly A.C. Wilson, Bryan Denson and Stuart Tomlinson contributed to this report. -- Noelle Crombie -- Kimberly A.C. Wilson, Bryan Denson and Stuart Tomlinson contributed to this report. MY EDITORIAL RANT: It is absolutely inexcusable that the teacher noticed Kyron was absent, saw his backpack and jacket, yet did nothing. And don't blame it on lack of an automated notification process. Last time I checked, telephones can still be manually dialed. This child was entrusted into the care of the teachers, which stand in loco parentis, and they failed him, whatever the outcome. Sad, so very very sad. http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/kyron_horman_search_may_have_s.html I'm I the only one TOTALLY disturbed by that statement?? In a school of that size (the exact size of the one in our town, so I do have some perspective) this happens all the time? What the heck?? Our kids are required to have a note from a parent and signed by the principal to leave school any way except their normal way...and the bus drivers know when a child gets on that isn't normally on the bus....I realize this doesn't have anything really to do with Kyron's disappearance, I just think it's a totally ludicrous statement, and shows this schools total lack of vigilance for its students!!! *getting off my soapbox now!* Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: pamomma on June 14, 2010, 10:09:22 AM Okay, finally caught up on the weekend posts.
As many of you, I'm also feeling so disappointed Kyron is still not found, and that the investigation has turned "criminal" instead of the a missing person. I also noticed that the statement from the family responding to questions said (paraphrased) Kyron and his Dad worked on the project, after Terri had written on her page the she had helped him...realistically, the both probably did, it looked very detailed and involved, and I know when our kids have things like that due, my husband and I both help at one point or another. I wonder if they made a point of mentioning Dad b/c we have heard all about Terri taking him to the school, Terri walking around the science Fair, Terri helping with his project, and I for one was wondering...where was his Dad in all this? And his Bio-Mom for that matter...I realize she lived far away, but this may have been their chance to point out that Dad was around too. For the record I don't think ANY of his parents had anything to do with this. And I'm agreeing with Tracey that something about the teacher is making me very suspicious. Either she thought he had an appointment or she thought he was in the bathroom...which one is it?? Because you can't think both. Okay...just my thoughts from the weekend's developments...hoping Kyron is found soon. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: pamomma on June 14, 2010, 10:15:39 AM Sorry....found this on the Mulnomah Co Sherif site. They provide a timeline:
1)What time was 9-1-1 called? Answer: BOEC received call at 1556 (3:56 p.m.). Dispatched to police units at 1559 (3:59 p.m.). 2)When did the first officers arrive on scene? Answer: Portland Police Bureau and Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office units arrived at 1633 (4:33 p.m.) simultaneously at Skyline school and Kyron’s home. 3)Who made the call? Answer: Skyline School secretary Susan Hall. 4)What time was FBI notified? Answer: Between 2030 (8:30 p.m.) and 2050 (8:50 p.m.). 5)When did Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office notify media? Answer: Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office PIO was notified between 1900 (7:00 p.m.) and 1915 (7:15 p.m.) while providing a tour at the Multnomah County Justice Center. PIO returned pages from media and told them to meet PIO in the area of the school. PIO arrived at 2015 (8:15 p.m.), met with present media and provided them with Kyron’s photo. This was followed up by the PIO emailing photo to Portland TV and Oregonlive. Is it normal for the FBI to be called in so soon? It appears they were called 4 hours after the police were called? I'm grateful they were, for Kyron and his family's sake...it just seemed strange to me they were involved so quickly....makes me think there is DEFINITELY more to this story than we know Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: pamomma on June 14, 2010, 10:32:14 AM snip.... On any given day, kids don't ride the bus when they should, prompting parents to call their school, said Matt Shelby, spokesman for the school district. "Nine times out of 10 they're found within the hour or so," he said. .... http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/kyron_horman_search_may_have_s.html I'm I the only one TOTALLY disturbed by that statement?? In a school of that size (the exact size of the one in our town, so I do have some perspective) this happens all the time? What the heck?? Our kids are required to have a note from a parent and signed by the principal to leave school any way except their normal way...and the bus drivers know when a child gets on that isn't normally on the bus....I realize this doesn't have anything really to do with Kyron's disappearance, I just think it's a totally ludicrous statement, and shows this schools total lack of vigilance for its students!!! *getting off my soapbox now!* Clarifying the "statement" I was referring too Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Blink34 on June 14, 2010, 10:54:53 AM Sorry....found this on the Mulnomah Co Sherif site. They provide a timeline: 1)What time was 9-1-1 called? Answer: BOEC received call at 1556 (3:56 p.m.). Dispatched to police units at 1559 (3:59 p.m.). 2)When did the first officers arrive on scene? Answer: Portland Police Bureau and Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office units arrived at 1633 (4:33 p.m.) simultaneously at Skyline school and Kyron’s home. 3)Who made the call? Answer: Skyline School secretary Susan Hall. 4)What time was FBI notified? Answer: Between 2030 (8:30 p.m.) and 2050 (8:50 p.m.). 5)When did Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office notify media? Answer: Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office PIO was notified between 1900 (7:00 p.m.) and 1915 (7:15 p.m.) while providing a tour at the Multnomah County Justice Center. PIO returned pages from media and told them to meet PIO in the area of the school. PIO arrived at 2015 (8:15 p.m.), met with present media and provided them with Kyron’s photo. This was followed up by the PIO emailing photo to Portland TV and Oregonlive. Is it normal for the FBI to be called in so soon? It appears they were called 4 hours after the police were called? I'm grateful they were, for Kyron and his family's sake...it just seemed strange to me they were involved so quickly....makes me think there is DEFINITELY more to this story than we know There could be a variety of reasons the FBI was called in basically immediately, but it is standard to alert them in the event there is a possible kidnapping, and given how close this area borders Washington, it would be a crossing state line issue. Kyron's step dad is a detective, he or they, may very well have just requested their assisstance. However, I think the primary reason is for resources and technology that this size PD just did not have access to, and I think it is awesome they did this. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: pamomma on June 14, 2010, 11:04:51 AM Thank you Blink! I'm relatively new at this and wasn't sure what was a "normal" time frame for calling them in. I'm also very glad they did, glad that they recognized this is a case they were not prepared to handle alone and put finding Kyron ahead of any "turf" squabble.
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Wyks on June 14, 2010, 11:05:38 AM <snipped from an article upthread>
He looks up to his big brothers and enjoys spending time with them. They dance and rock out in the living room. ~~~ brothers? as in plural? as in more than one? did we know kyron has two big brothers? perhaps i need to read more carefully, cuz the last i read, he has one older brother and one younger sister. probably a moot point as many others have become now, but still interesting to know, i think. wonder how old, who he lives with, how they get along, where he was on friday? Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Wyks on June 14, 2010, 11:17:01 AM There could be a variety of reasons the FBI was called in basically immediately, but it is standard to alert them in the event there is a possible kidnapping, and given how close this area borders Washington, it would be a crossing state line issue. Kyron's step dad is a detective, he or they, may very well have just requested their assisstance. However, I think the primary reason is for resources and technology that this size PD just did not have access to, and I think it is awesome they did this. Ahhh Blink, there you are! :) Another monkey was wondering about something, so am hoping that you'll see this, I'll ask it for her here. Kyron's stepdad being a detective.. Is it possible that what happened with Kyron may be some sort of retaliation from someone the stepdad had perhaps worked with/arrested in the past? Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Wyks on June 14, 2010, 11:20:30 AM I remember reading (I will have to figure out where I saw this) that Kyron's StepDad is a LE officer. I think it was said that he was involved in prosecuting several "gang" related crimes/mexican mafia. I do not know this as fact but I will try to go back and find where I read this. Anyone else see anything like that? The reason I bring this up is may be this is a retaliation crime against biomom and Step Dad. Also, we know who Terri's Mom and Dad is. Do we know anything about Dad's immediate family? bumping for Blink......... And here's another. :) Would love to run this past you for your opinion. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Wyks on June 14, 2010, 11:52:58 AM Hi Wyks!!, Thank you so much for the insight and giving me more info on the cult scene. I am so intrigued and scared what I may learn at the same time. I love your passion and drive to not be silenced about this. Hugs>>> to you! I know it must take a lot out of you to discuss these issues. They say God has a plan for each of us, maybe this is his plan for you, to be that advocate for those children. Hi Cartfly! You're welcome! and thanks for the <hugs> back to you! Thank you also for your kind words, that means much to me. :) It was harder at first for me (and other survivors) to talk about this at first. Yet I've been a public speaker on this so many times, that by now it's just like getting up, getting ready for the day, talking about this stuff, doing chores, etc. Not that it's become routine perse, but that talking about it has become so much easier now. Am used to the folks who stare, then turn away. So be it, they don't wanna hear the truth, and/or it's not their time to become aware. :) I definitely believe that we survivors need to be advocates for the children and adults who are helpless. Adults? you may ask? Yes.. Many are caught up in this, who have no way of escape, no hope. Interesting and horrifying at the same time, is the topic of one of Blink's last articles... about the Boy Scouts of America, and what has been 'hushed up' regarding the leader/s, and if opening those files would help find Kyron. The BSA is a huge organization, for them to hush this up as well as a church, another huge organization.. to not let parents become aware of the very evil in their children's midst.. is IMO a travesty of justice!! Years years and years have gone by, countless more victims, more lives torn to shreds. Folks who do know, turning their heads and doing nothing. And for what? So that the sick and disgusting perps can cover their @sses, so that the public doesn't get 'alarmed'. Well I say it's high-time to ALARM THE PUBLIC!! Everyone has the right to know what is actually happening, right under their noses. Especially parents, who entrust their children, unknowingly, to the care of someone who in reality, is a disgusting perv. Who knows if someone like this was able to grab Kyron that day. Won't know unless/until LE starts looking at this possibility as well. Which they very well might be doing right now. http://blinkoncrime.com/2010/06/13/kyron-horman-missing-and-endangered-would-opening-boy-scout-perv-files-help-find-him/ (http://blinkoncrime.com/2010/06/13/kyron-horman-missing-and-endangered-would-opening-boy-scout-perv-files-help-find-him/) Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Wyks on June 14, 2010, 12:10:30 PM I'm I the only one TOTALLY disturbed by that statement?? In a school of that size (the exact size of the one in our town, so I do have some perspective) this happens all the time? What the heck?? Our kids are required to have a note from a parent and signed by the principal to leave school any way except their normal way...and the bus drivers know when a child gets on that isn't normally on the bus....I realize this doesn't have anything really to do with Kyron's disappearance, I just think it's a totally ludicrous statement, and shows this schools total lack of vigilance for its students!!! *getting off my soapbox now!* Very good point, pamomma! And a good catch too. I read that statement, yet it didn't sink in as to what it meant. So thank you for pointing this out. :) It may not have anything to do with Kyron's gone missing, and yet IMO too, it's another example of the leniency from the school. What it's beginning to look like to me, is that the school, for many reasons, were too trusting of the world, nestled back there feeling all safe and everything. Kind of like how many who live in rural areas relax, let down their guard, they know each other, no one comes around. To them.. it's as tho.. evil does not exist. Easy to slip into that mindset. But for a school, responsible for care and safety of so many children, this mindset is, IMO, inexuseable!! (sp?) We've seen the seeming mad scramble after Kyron went missing, to implement safety programs at the school. Well.. yeah.. glad they did that for the future. Doesn't help Kyron one dang bit NOW tho. Their newly organized safety programs do need to extend to the busses as well. For all the reasons you stated above, and the fact that the school is responsible for each child from the moment s/he enters school property until the child is either returned to their parent/caregiver or steps off the bus into the care of their parent/caregiver. Betcha there is a LOT of new safety programs in place for this school district now or very soon. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Wyks on June 14, 2010, 12:13:34 PM I feel so deflated this evening that this is going to end like the countless others on this board. I pray to God this story will have a happy ending. I don't know what else to do, so at times like this I will do what I always do and just pray. I believe so strongly in the power of prayer. Regardless of your religious faith, please tonight, ask for Gods (or whom ever your pray to) grace on this child and to bring him home safe and sound. Please God grant this mircle I ask of you tonight. Please bring Kyron home to the waiting arms of his family. God they love him so much and need him home. We are all so worried for this child. Please God wrap your loving light around Kyron and his family, protect them from harm and comfort their hearts. Please God I beg of you to hear my prayer. In your loving and graceful name I pray, Amen Amen. And so be it. Thank you TG, very well said, and I agree. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Wyks on June 14, 2010, 12:46:11 PM I have to believe that there is humanity within all of us. I have never found the Step-Mom on my Hinkey meter. I think its too easy to poke at her and create her to be the scape goat. I think that someone was watching Kyron and or his family - or had special interest of some sort ..that they took Kyron for ??? People are victims for reasons. Reasons that most of us will never understand. People who are sick in the head - latch on to " unknown individuals or even known people and stalk their patterns of day to day doings".. so then we find ourselves here. With Kyron missing. Someone knew his patterns of life, his family. Someone that was paying very close attention ..for reason of ?? I do not believe that this was random. I do think that this was planned and the science fair / talent show was the " IN" for whoever was watching Kyron's family and or him as a child. Its just so disturbing. All of it. Wyks .. I hope you do not mind, but I wrote down your email addy. I am going to send you nanners soon. I have a feeling though that LE/FBI know something and not willing to say. That it will cause mass hysteria within the parents of Kyron's community. jmo. Well said, Deenie! I am one of those who was focused on the stepmom for a bit. I'll continue to look at the first most suspicious one (to me) and work down the list with theories. That list dwindles as we get further info/facts. Even when/if LE 'says' someone is not a suspect/POI etc, because LE is known everywhere for saying such, when in fact, it's just a smoke ring for a variety of reasons. I do try to keep an open mind tho, and look at each possibility there may be. I also thought it a possibility that Kyron could have walked away from school into the woods, perhaps to find an actual red-eyed tree frog, in the woods, which he could then temporarily place with his project in a jar... But got himself lost or worse, before he could return. He's a kid with an interest in and focus on, red-eyed tree frogs, that could happen. Yet as time went on, and no sign of him, plus the distance from the school to those woods, that theory got crossed off my list as well. I feel too that this could have been very well planned out ahead of time, by someone. If someone grabbed him at school, seems that they had to have known ahead of time what they intended to do, got prepared for that, then waited for their opportunity. Could have been that they didn't have a particular child in mind, yet maybe they did. For the way things worked out so well, not so sure the person would know about that ahead of time. (such as the stepmom allowing kyron to walk to his classroom alone). Am thinking that may have worked conveniently into the person's plan, this became the needed opportunity. If this is what happened, the child *could have* been... any child at the school that day. Who had the misfortune to have been the one who walked past this person who was waiting.... Am thinking that perhaps there was an empty classroom or other type room, storage area, etc. enroute to Kyron's class or nearby. Perhaps Kyron made it back to his classroom, found it empty, and went in search of his classmates. Passing the area of the waiting perp. At that point, all it would take is for the perp to have whisked him inside a hiding place, quieting him in some way, placing him inside a container of sorts, then simply walking the container out the door and into their vehicle, driving away. Vanished... without a trace. So am thinking you are very right, the science fair was the perfect time for such a person to have carried out a well-thought out plan. Scares me how easily that could have been done, on such a busy busy day. Are we really at such a point in our lives that we need planted guards at every entrance/exit, searching all people/containers entering AND leaving? It's a sad sad time for America, indeed. Sigh. And your comment about 'mass hysteria', yessssssssssssss!! LE everywhere, not just in that area, but everywhere across the US and beyond are known for placing a 'gag order' on the media. Just so that the public will not become 'upset' (hysterical), and/or alarmed. Time after time after time I've seen this happen. Mainly in the cases that involve SRA, for obvious reasons. This gag order thing is one reason that the Ritual Task Force Unit was created within the LE in Sacramento CA. Whatever 'top secret' RA stuff LE is working on that they do NOT want the public to be aware of, is handled by that unit, and the media knows to stay the heck away from that topic. Sooooooooo what does that do? It ensures that LE can work quietly on the case/s in the background without having to fend off an increasingly alarmed public... It allows the public to go about their day in peace, without realizing the danger/evil that lurks in their midst... It ensures that the perps continue to have access to our precious children, because we as parents are entirely clueless as to what is actually going on. Grrrrrrrrr. Gag orders on the media.. <----- hate those!! Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Blink34 on June 14, 2010, 01:06:32 PM There could be a variety of reasons the FBI was called in basically immediately, but it is standard to alert them in the event there is a possible kidnapping, and given how close this area borders Washington, it would be a crossing state line issue. Kyron's step dad is a detective, he or they, may very well have just requested their assisstance. However, I think the primary reason is for resources and technology that this size PD just did not have access to, and I think it is awesome they did this. Ahhh Blink, there you are! :) Another monkey was wondering about something, so am hoping that you'll see this, I'll ask it for her here. Kyron's stepdad being a detective.. Is it possible that what happened with Kyron may be some sort of retaliation from someone the stepdad had perhaps worked with/arrested in the past? Personally, I believe that Kyron knew this individual well, so I doubt that. Although short of any "real leads" I am certain that angle was under consideration. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Deenie on June 14, 2010, 01:29:29 PM Just to throw this in as my own experience - part is rant. All is true.
My Daughter was in 3rd grade. She was a Latch Key Student. In Michigan that means -Parents are able to take their child to their elementary school prior to the class time. They are held in a room with a approved curriculum by the school. After classes end - the children are directed to a room and or activities after hours. To be taken care of by persons approved by the school - YET Not employed by the school. People leased the space within the school for latch key. (( Payments to be made weekly, and not cheap either)). My daughter was a new student this year within this school. She fit in quite well and she had made quite a bond with her teacher. So it was working. She had many friends she liked in her class room. The latch key program was quite different. She felt that her time spent was " off". No one did she complain about, no one did she mention to me. She just said she hated it. I don't believe her complaints were driven by anything - but it was felt by me and others that the care workers were Inconsistent. The after school care was just a misled jumble. My Daughter had been in preschool/ latch key care for 3 yrs prior - this was different to her. It simply was not balanced. I at the time worked 45+ miles away - one way drive. It would take me about 55 mins - straight highway 75 mph - to get to her on a ave day. One day, it was a Thursday, my Managers had their meetings on Thursdays ..they would lock themselves into a room. Not to be disturbed. They would have these meetings that would run way past 5pm - NO one was allowed to enter. Was around 4 pm and I started bouncing off the wall. I was on fire to the point that I could not contain myself. My co-worker Jim ..who sat 2 feet from me. Was like - WHAT is UP with you? because it was the wind down of the day.. no bosses around .. was to be easy cake until 5pm. Just walk out. Naw.. nope. It was if I had a blow torch under my feet. I was ready to run out the door at 4:15. I told Jim ..something is wrong and I don't know what it is. Something is Wrong and I need to leave. He kept telling me .. just chill.. it's going to be alright. 5pm is coming. I left at 4:50 pm and drove like a bat out of hell - 95mph plus on the highway to get to my daughter. I knew something was wrong. It was in my bones I just knew. And I had never experienced this feeling before. I arrived at her school. I can still hear my heels of my shoes clicking on the cement - they were pounding ..to get to the door way. I opened the door and it was chatter that went deadly silent ..within a millisecond. As soon as the kids saw Me - they all went silent. I opened my Mouth and I looked dead straight at her Teacher and I said Where is my Daughter ? Her face spoke volumes - no words within seconds. That Stupid uttering no nothing piece of crap teacher.. could not say anything back to me. The second my voice was heard in that huge class room.. my Daughter welped Mamma. She was tucked into a corner sitting by herself. She ran up to me and her face was swollen, that she had been crying for a very long time. She grabbed me around my waist and said I knew you would come. I WAS LIVID and I did not know anything yet. The Teacher in her wimpy piss ass voice says to me ... Ms K .. your daughter had a accident on the play ground. I was ready to deck her. I didn't .. I listened. Teacher then states -Your Daughter had a accident and WE felt since YOU worked so FAR away .. WE felt it was BEST NOT to NOTIFY YOU ..WE were worried about your safety driving to the school. I said WHEN did this accident happen? (( Mind you monkeys this convo was within seconds)) She/Teacher says 4:00PM. I tried to wrap all of this within my brain within 3 mins - I looked at my Daughter and she clearly was distraught - past any time I had witnessed. I stared at my Baby and I looked right at her and saw Her Arm was Broken. I was hotter than Hot -and I said to the Teacher - YOU mean to tell me - My Daughter Has a Broken ARM over an Hour ago - and YOU felt it was in my best interest NOT to KNOW? In the interim the Teacher handed me this pink paper that said - Kai had a Boo Boo and was given Ice ..signed off by the teacher in her own handwriting. You could have heard the cement crack in that room. I was so out of my mind. NO one was uttering air. I grabbed my Daughters things and Her and I said to her Teacher - WE are going to the Hospital and YOU Will hear from me. -- So here I am walking out the door ..and a child, one of my daughters friends YELLS at me .. HE Did It. He Hurt Kai. I stopped and turned around and asked " Who is He? " The child said the NEW Teacher he stepped on Kai. He hurt her. He hurt her. Then this huge Boy " Early 20's old or so " comes out of no where and says to me ..6'4 tall he says from across the room .. I am so Sorry I never meant to Hurt her. I said back to HIM who are YOU ? and then the Main teacher said back at him - Don't say anything. Don't Answer HER ..and He didn't answer me. I was lost. I did not have a clue of what was happening. I stopped and asked my Daughter " Do you know this Man ? " Did he hurt you? and she said Mamma he kicked me and he stepped on me when we were playing soccer..and she started sobbing. Wits end and no one telling me the truth - I took my daughter to the nearest ER. The ER Doc showed me the imprint of a man's size 10+ tennis shoe on her interior arm - from her wrist to her elbow - Kai had two broken bones within her arm. Actually one broken bone near her wrist and one cracked splintered bone - her ulna bone within her forearm. All done by a Teacher - He kicked her and stomped her arm. 3 children said the same story - held in different rooms .. I got an Atty. I tried to talk to the principle. I went 3 times - to talk to the Principle. She would not speak to me. She simply said in a letter after the third trip ..Our School is not responsible. I held the atty for over a year and they said that they could not find the Young Man who stomped my Daughter. The day after the accident, he conveniently disappeared. He was never on the payroll within the latch key program - he didn't last but one day. He was not introduced to the parents as a New teacher on board. WHY? Because he was the Son of the woman that ran the latch key program for the COUNTY. The entire County ..not just this tiny little podunk elementary school. Huge Politics - Huge. She was a person well known in the district courts/judges/atty's. She was right in with all and everyone within the county. Her son was sent paperwork to the school. Denied. She then was sent papers to her home - Her Son's subpoena. She said to officials that she did not know of his whereabouts.. he could not be found. She had her own protectors. She is the system. Why am I telling all this within Kryon's Cage?? Because I was duped as a parent. I trusted the school to do right by my child. They said to my FACE - WE felt it was better NOT to notify you. That it was such a trauma - they felt it was better for me to arrive as usual ..at my known time. Than to notify me prior .. when she was Hurt and crying and in pain. This all goes without saying about Kyron's StepMom - NO one knows what the BS artists at the school said to her or did not say to her .. I am living proof of that. I know all to well how it feels to have " the School" turn away and not even give my child her benefit of health - That they caused her Injury. I do not feel that Kyron's StepMom is directly involved - she was the closest to the school / teachers etc... Does not mean they had her or Kyron's best interest at hand. When it comes down to liability and Unions and All that ..Everyone seems to suffer from amnesia. Grrr :( Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tracygirl on June 14, 2010, 02:28:38 PM Why is the school district refusing to release the time Kyron was marked absent? Why not just say at 9 when class first began? Isn't that when role is taken, a few minutes after the first bell rings? I think that is how it is done in pretty much almost every school in America. I don't think they have the right to refuse anything if you want to know my opinion. They lost that chance when a child went missing while under their care. And he was, he arrived at school at a time of a planned event, he was their responsibility.
They need to fire the teacher. I am not sorry if that sounds "mean". She was negligent in her responsibilities, period. Kyron trusted not only his school, but his teacher to make sure he was ok. When he and his step mom, Terri Horman walked to the classroom, they trusted he would be ok and there is not an excuse in the world that makes up for that. Over worked, last few days, hectic environment...no excuse. If she thought he was in the bathroom, then she should have sent 2 other children to check the bathroom, that is common practice in a school. If he didn't show up after some time and before the assumption of an appointment was made, she should have dialed the phone to check it out. That is not only common sense but a part of her job, make sure all the children are safe and accounted for. After all they can't learn if they are kidnapped! There is no reason, no excuse, nada this wasn't done. If not arrested because she was in on this, then she needs to be fired or moved to some lonely corner of the district offices. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Itaryl Moosee on June 14, 2010, 02:36:07 PM Today's 2-minute PC is over, this is a summary of what was discussed:
1. The search was the largest in the state with about 1300 LE personnel. 2. The community donations were great, money will be used by SAR for the Summer projects, and leftover food/drinks are donated to a local food for the poor kichen. 3. They thanked everyone for their work, and promise the case will not become "cold". 4. They request people contact them with information, memories, and video of the mentioned streets. 5. They will not have any more press conferences unless they have something meaningful to inform the public. ---------- As part of the investigation, the Multnomah County Sheriff's Office is requesting surveillance video from nearby storefronts, private homes, security cameras or any other surveillance recording from June 3 and June 4. They are specifically looking for video of vehicular traffic from the following locations: * Northwest Cornelius Pass Road * Northwest Germantown Road * Northwest Logie Trail Road * Northwest Rocky Point Road * Northwest Skyline Road * Northwest 185th Avenue * Northwest West Union Road * Northwest Springville Road * Bethany Boulevard * Northwest Springville Road * Northwest Newberry Road * Northwest McNamee Road * Highway 30 from Northwest Rock Point to Germantown Road * Northwest Kaiser Road * Northwest Thompson Road * Northwest Laidlaw Road Anyone with video of those areas is asked to contact the sheriff's office tip line at (503) 261-2847. Leave your name, contact information and identify the specific location or street address of the video footage. http://www.katu.com/news/local/96253939.html Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: klaasend on June 14, 2010, 03:04:18 PM Vows it won't become a cold case
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Blink34 on June 14, 2010, 03:25:47 PM Deenie-
I wanted to vomit reading that. What your describing, unless this is way long ago, is illegal. If you need help with it, I would be glad to. I went through about 10 statutes in my head before I was through the last paragraph, but I dont want to hijack Kyron's thread. Lemme know- Point well made about Terri, Kyron's step mom. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Wyks on June 14, 2010, 03:27:15 PM Deenie... OH MY GOSH!!!!!!!!!! (http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq117/Wyks_/Smilies/hug.gif)
Words fail me!!! (http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq117/Wyks_/Smilies/angry.gif) No they don't. I am horrified and pisssssssed for you, for your daughter, at the lack of care and concern, and ok, words aren't even enough here. Grrrrrrrrr!!! is right! (http://[img]http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq117/Wyks_/Smilies/gahh.gif)[/img] First of all, your daughter's reaction prior to that event, re the after-school-program vs. her regular school day, IMO shows a huge discrepancy in leadership, (consistency that you spoke of), a complete lack of direction, perhaps a free-for-all ?.... which seems to have led your daughter to have the feelings she did. She hated it. Sounds like the complete lack of direction led her to feel unsafe, etc. Think of a playground that is not fenced. Children tend to then gather together and play in a small area. Not feeling so very safe. Fence that playground in, and the children tend to scatter and play, running freely. They have limits, it's not a free-for-all, they feel safe. This is the feeling it sounds to me like that the after-school-program had vs. her own regular classroom, teacher and schedule. It's not about the fence, it's about the feeling. Interesting how we can trust a small child's intuition/feelings about things, if only they would share those with us. And your own intuition/feeling as a parent who is so in-tune with your child, as 4pm approached and you knew.. you KNEW.. something was very very wrong with your daughter. We need to trust in those feelings as well. And good for you mom!! That 'so called' teacher showed no 'concern' for you or your daughter. Her complete lack of action on anything screams her 'concern' loud and clear. IMO, she did not report your daughter's 'boo boo' at once to you or call an ambulance for her, or take action of any kind on your daughter's behalf... because she was in fear for own pathetic self. OMG. This and all the rest of what happened, is coverup at it's finest. Which yes, often completely goes up the ladder to the point of becoming political. I am so sorry this has happened to your family. Oh how I wish there was a way to bring justice on your daughter's behalf!!! Thank you for sharing this with us. It shows what can happen, because it did. Am wondering how many children/parents in Kyron's school had feelings prior to his going missing, that 'something' was just not right? Wonder how many children actually felt scared, hating it there, with few apparent safety precautions in place? How many parents wondered when/if 'something' was gonna happen someday? I dunno. Maybe none. And yet...... Kyron's lil friend Tanner, and his gma, who seem to want/need to get the truth out there to the media, despite LE telling them to keep things quiet. My gut feeling is something is majorally wrong at that school, and at the very least, these folks want the truth known. What happened with your daughter tells us that things can go wrong when there's a free-for-all type of attitude. Folks in Kyron's area need to, if they haven't already, open their eyes wide, and demand to know the truths (if any) about their own school. As do each of us re our own kids/grandkids schools and programs they attend. Helps everyone become more aware of what actually goes on around them. Totally worth the effort if even one child somewhere, is saved from a horrid and senseless tragic event in the future. IMO. Thanks again, Deenie! < many monkey hugs! > Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Wyks on June 14, 2010, 03:35:04 PM There could be a variety of reasons the FBI was called in basically immediately, but it is standard to alert them in the event there is a possible kidnapping, and given how close this area borders Washington, it would be a crossing state line issue. Kyron's step dad is a detective, he or they, may very well have just requested their assisstance. However, I think the primary reason is for resources and technology that this size PD just did not have access to, and I think it is awesome they did this. Ahhh Blink, there you are! :) Another monkey was wondering about something, so am hoping that you'll see this, I'll ask it for her here. Kyron's stepdad being a detective.. Is it possible that what happened with Kyron may be some sort of retaliation from someone the stepdad had perhaps worked with/arrested in the past? Personally, I believe that Kyron knew this individual well, so I doubt that. Although short of any "real leads" I am certain that angle was under consideration. <nods in agreement> Thanks for your reply, Blink!! Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Wyks on June 14, 2010, 03:36:32 PM Many thanks to those who work so hard at bringing us updates, info, links, pics, videos/audios, etc!!
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Wyks on June 14, 2010, 03:38:27 PM Why is the school district refusing to release the time Kyron was marked absent? Why not just say at 9 when class first began? Isn't that when role is taken, a few minutes after the first bell rings? I think that is how it is done in pretty much almost every school in America. I don't think they have the right to refuse anything if you want to know my opinion. They lost that chance when a child went missing while under their care. And he was, he arrived at school at a time of a planned event, he was their responsibility. They need to fire the teacher. I am not sorry if that sounds "mean". She was negligent in her responsibilities, period. Kyron trusted not only his school, but his teacher to make sure he was ok. When he and his step mom, Terri Horman walked to the classroom, they trusted he would be ok and there is not an excuse in the world that makes up for that. Over worked, last few days, hectic environment...no excuse. If she thought he was in the bathroom, then she should have sent 2 other children to check the bathroom, that is common practice in a school. If he didn't show up after some time and before the assumption of an appointment was made, she should have dialed the phone to check it out. That is not only common sense but a part of her job, make sure all the children are safe and accounted for. After all they can't learn if they are kidnapped! There is no reason, no excuse, nada this wasn't done. If not arrested because she was in on this, then she needs to be fired or moved to some lonely corner of the district offices. Very good questions and comments, TG! And I'm also in total agreement with you re the teacher. Oh yessss! Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: pamomma on June 14, 2010, 03:55:20 PM Deenie- I'm so sorry that happened to you and your daughter...point well made that bad things can happen to our children anywhere! And trust our guts!
Tracey- DITTO your comment about the teacher! I know pointing fingers and placing blame don't bring Kyron home...but I am FURIOUS over this woman's negligence and have a hard time believing she isn't somehow involved. Do we have any monkey's from the Oregon? Anyone have any insight into the thoughts and feelings of local people? Sometimes in small towns like this people "know" who is behind things even when LE can't say it. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Deenie on June 14, 2010, 04:11:26 PM Deenie- Blink the Atty that I hired told me after 3 yrs - of investigation I wanted to vomit reading that. What your describing, unless this is way long ago, is illegal. If you need help with it, I would be glad to. I went through about 10 statutes in my head before I was through the last paragraph, but I dont want to hijack Kyron's thread. Lemme know- Point well made about Terri, Kyron's step mom. That President Clinton passed a law after the Columbine shootings - that Public Schools were immune to being sued. That you had to go for the actual individual and sue them. Well I tried that and he simply just went poof. His MOM is still head of the Latch Key program - I googled it during my Kyron Post. She is very much still in her place. Wonder where her son is? My daughter has aged out of the term to sue. She is now 19/ soon to be 20. Her arm was broken when she was in 3rd grade. Blink YOU have no idea - OMG the outrage that I had and felt and - NO one would step up and admit anything. I had to rely on the children and the Doctor. The footprint imprinted in my baby's arm within my own eyes - was enough. So was the 3k of Doctor bills - that were not covered by my health insurance. (( shakin my head Blink)) Single Moms and 3k of uncovered Medical bills - do not mix. Nor does your child fearing that anyone .. she meets new, within her public school, as authority ..may possibly hurt her and say ... I didn't mean it. That your pain inflicted by me is " of no meaning" are you kidding me. Gawd. Makes no sense. None. Praying for Kyron. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Deenie on June 14, 2010, 04:34:10 PM Deenie... OH MY GOSH!!!!!!!!!! (http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq117/Wyks_/Smilies/hug.gif) Words fail me!!! (http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq117/Wyks_/Smilies/angry.gif) No they don't. I am horrified and pisssssssed for you, for your daughter, at the lack of care and concern, and ok, words aren't even enough here. Grrrrrrrrr!!! is right! (http://[img]http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq117/Wyks_/Smilies/gahh.gif)[/img] First of all, your daughter's reaction prior to that event, re the after-school-program vs. her regular school day, IMO shows a huge discrepancy in leadership, (consistency that you spoke of), a complete lack of direction, perhaps a free-for-all ?.... which seems to have led your daughter to have the feelings she did. She hated it. Sounds like the complete lack of direction led her to feel unsafe, etc. Think of a playground that is not fenced. Children tend to then gather together and play in a small area. Not feeling so very safe. Fence that playground in, and the children tend to scatter and play, running freely. They have limits, it's not a free-for-all, they feel safe. This is the feeling it sounds to me like that the after-school-program had vs. her own regular classroom, teacher and schedule. It's not about the fence, it's about the feeling. Interesting how we can trust a small child's intuition/feelings about things, if only they would share those with us. And your own intuition/feeling as a parent who is so in-tune with your child, as 4pm approached and you knew.. you KNEW.. something was very very wrong with your daughter. We need to trust in those feelings as well. And good for you mom!! That 'so called' teacher showed no 'concern' for you or your daughter. Her complete lack of action on anything screams her 'concern' loud and clear. IMO, she did not report your daughter's 'boo boo' at once to you or call an ambulance for her, or take action of any kind on your daughter's behalf... because she was in fear for own pathetic self. OMG. This and all the rest of what happened, is coverup at it's finest. Which yes, often completely goes up the ladder to the point of becoming political. I am so sorry this has happened to your family. Oh how I wish there was a way to bring justice on your daughter's behalf!!! Thank you for sharing this with us. It shows what can happen, because it did. Am wondering how many children/parents in Kyron's school had feelings prior to his going missing, that 'something' was just not right? Wonder how many children actually felt scared, hating it there, with few apparent safety precautions in place? How many parents wondered when/if 'something' was gonna happen someday? I dunno. Maybe none. And yet...... Kyron's lil friend Tanner, and his gma, who seem to want/need to get the truth out there to the media, despite LE telling them to keep things quiet. My gut feeling is something is majorally wrong at that school, and at the very least, these folks want the truth known. What happened with your daughter tells us that things can go wrong when there's a free-for-all type of attitude. Folks in Kyron's area need to, if they haven't already, open their eyes wide, and demand to know the truths (if any) about their own school. As do each of us re our own kids/grandkids schools and programs they attend. Helps everyone become more aware of what actually goes on around them. Totally worth the effort if even one child somewhere, is saved from a horrid and senseless tragic event in the future. IMO. Thanks again, Deenie! < many monkey hugs! > Wkys the Truth Tellers HONEST within the Public Schools - Elementary ARE those who are in it.. meaning the children. They have nothing to lose by telling the truth. They are not subjected to anything ..after the fact. They have nothing to hide. And YET NO one ever asks their Opinion Until something goes wrong? Sigh. Like I wrote the other day about Ruby ( my little sweetheart who loved Wizard of Oz) - she told me that her " special ed teacher was Mean to her" I had already witnessed it .. in shards. Then I started paying attention. I found her " Ruby" to be VERY HONEST and TRUE .. this teacher treated her like crap. My Daughter I asked her ..and she Said OH NO ONE Likes her ..she is SO Mean MOM. Then I started gently poking questions to the others ..within field trips. Not asking outright. Same thing - NO body likes her..she is so Mean to Ruby. She makes Ruby feel stupid and sad. WHO allows this to go on? Who is monitoring this so called " Special Ed Teacher" ? The other children in the class. The eyeballs and ears ..that pay attention to their friend who is being verbally basted every day.. Where is the " responsibility of the Adult Teacher? " I am speaking of elementary school age. Not Jr High or High School were you have everything under the sun to distract you. its Disturbing - Huge. This was a different district from the district that my Daughters arm was broken. Different County as well. I will say that the school that " My Daughter and Ruby were in - was one of the Highest paid within millage. 9800.00 per student per year.. and they always claimed they were flat azx broke. They wanted the parents to supply " T.P. Paper Towel and Kleenex.. not to mention everything else. You name it - you were told to supply it - or your child would go without. I have no answers .. I can only share my experiences .. Hoping it will shed some light on Kyron ..or others .. Kyron Little Man..My heart is with You today and I am praying for You and I wish for your Guardian Angels from above to lead you ..to a path, a doorway .. a window. So someone can see you. Find you. Bring you home. Amen. I am out - Monkeys. Thank You for your Love and Support - For all the Children Each and All K Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tracygirl on June 14, 2010, 04:41:57 PM Deenie that situation was completely unacceptable. It is amazing the stupidity of people sometimes.
Regarding Kyron, Last night I was depressed, today I am fuming mad. This should have never happened, never. We, as parents, grandparents, aunts or uncles have a right to send our children to a school and know they will be safe! I am not pointing fingers or shifting blame, I am holding accountable a person who was not doing her job! I can tell you one thing, this woman, thankfully is hundreds of miles away from any school my children go to. She would not be allowed within 10 feet of my child. I ask myself what would have changed if she had sent 2 children to the bathroom to check if this 7 year old child was indeed there? The kids would have came back and said, "no he is not in there Miss Porter". Then what would she have done? Maybe called the office to see if he was checked out? They would have said, no. So then what is the next step? Perhaps paged him to come to the classroom? Perhaps the principal or whoever would have walked the school looking for him? If they couldn't find him, then what? Would they have called the police then? If they were doing their jobs, that is what they would have done. They had that responsibility! I bet you dollars to donuts, that is what Kyrons parents expected from the school. Would he have been found? We will never know unfortunately because the ball never got rolling! When we say this is acceptable because teachers are over worked or class was too hectic, she just made an honest mistake we devalue the need for a safe environment for our children. I expect certain things out of our teachers and out of our schools, and one of them is make sure they make it home at the end of the day! I hold the principal accountable as well because this situation should have been covered in a staff meeting. "what should you do if a child goes missing". As great as this school seems to be on paper, it lacks the basic right of all children attending, to learn an environment that is safe! Now I have to go wash hair dye out of my hair before it starts falling out! Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: newfie on June 14, 2010, 06:42:01 PM Hi All.. I have mainly only had time to lurk, this is all so sad and frustrating. It appears as if this is going down the same path so many other missing persons or children cases go down. Ten days later and nothing. Deenie all I can say after reading your story is how sorry I am that you and your daughter went through this. I am sure it traumatized your daughter for years. I wonder what the school policy was regarding a child getting injured on school grounds. With all of the mindless tort cases filling up our court systems this one needed to be heard. That teacher should have been fired! What a witch... can't say the other word.
Back on topic....I am still puzzled by the teacher saying Kyron was in the bathroom or getting a drink. If that was the case did she mark him absent? When he did not show up for the talent show didn't the person running it question where he was? What if Kyron got hurt in school and someone is covering it up? I have read about the searches but how thorough did they search the school? Have they brought.. I hate to say it... cadaver dogs to the school to search various out of the way rooms. nooks etc? Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: darla on June 14, 2010, 06:42:08 PM Good Afternoon Monkeys!
Just checking in to see if Kyron had been found. I have been praying for him to be safe and brought home to his family. Our elementary school is a little bigger than Kyron's school, The main entrance is the only door that is unlocked and you have to sign in if you go past the front desk. But like Kyron's school, they do not call until later in the afternoon to say we missed your child in school today. The doors to the building can be opened from the inside but not the outside. Deenie, I can feel your anger through the screen about your little girl. We have had a couple of situations at our school that have had me boiling hot. I have two grandson's that have Muscular Dystrophy, the oldest graduated high school in May . The other one is 10 and he is going through some really fast progression this past school year. He has a really short attention span and can be bad at times when someone picks on him. He falls alot with the MD and some of the kids in his class know that if they touch him he will most likely fall. He would tell his teacher that so and so pushed me down. Her answer was " Please stop tattling". So he has gotten to where he would push back when he finally got back on his feet. There is a resource teacher who manned the exit door at end of school each day, and she had a bad habit of pushing him out the door. My daughter saw her push him one day and he fell on the sidewalk. Needless to say my daughter came out of the car on this teacher's behind. We have gone to the school board and to the state super. and she is still there. Then about a week before school was out, the school nurse called home and said that she was making plans for Chandler's curriculum for this fall. She told my daughter that since Chandler was falling so much she thought it would be best if they put him in a wheel chair. My daughter has a meeting with the school board next Monday night. You do not put a child in a wheel chair as long as he can walk. He will be in one soon enough as it is. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: sunshine12 on June 14, 2010, 07:01:26 PM there are divers in the water near sauvie island right now looking for kyron
http://twitter.com/LauralKGW Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Blink34 on June 14, 2010, 07:17:45 PM Fwiw, I believe sweet Kyron will be found in a waterway of some kind, in a container of some kind, being intentionally vague.
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: sunshine12 on June 14, 2010, 07:20:24 PM Fwiw, I believe sweet Kyron will be found in a waterway of some kind, in a container of some kind, being intentionally vague. this case is so sad :( i posted this on your site too but as soon as i posted it, i realized someone else already had, so sorry for repeating things that had already been posted.. i wonder what is leading them to this specific body of water, and if maybe there is a poi or suspect that has some connection or pings to the area they are currently searching Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tracygirl on June 14, 2010, 07:27:06 PM There is a school there as well. Perhaps the person that took Kyron also works or is known to go to that school as well?
Who leaves the school during the day? Janitors, therapists, elective type teachers Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: sunshine12 on June 14, 2010, 07:36:11 PM There is a school there as well. Perhaps the person that took Kyron also works or is known to go to that school as well? Who leaves the school during the day? Janitors, therapists, elective type teachers yes, therapeutic support staff (Tss) workers would also be the type that would come and go, i wonder if kyron had one of these people? i also wonder if its possible that perhaps another parent could have taken him. i know this prob didn't happen but its possible, afterall, melissa huckabee was a mother and still murdered another child. if it was another parent that was at the school that day for the science fair, it wouldn't raise suspicion that they were at the school, and maybe on their way out of the school they lured Kyron out with them. This would also make sense if the theory that both kyron and his parents know the perp. I feel like them knowing another parent might be more likely than them knowing the school janitor, but who knows, i just can't wrap my mind around this.. has anyone else on here considered that maybe another parent could have been involved? Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: New Monkey on June 14, 2010, 07:43:14 PM Sounds like they believe the poor fella was thrown off a bridge, maybe? Poor sweet Kyron. :*(
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: klaasend on June 14, 2010, 07:45:28 PM Fwiw, I believe sweet Kyron will be found in a waterway of some kind, in a container of some kind, being intentionally vague. Oh geez Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: klaasend on June 14, 2010, 07:47:32 PM http://www.kgw.com/news/Second-grade-student-missing-from-Skyline-Elementary-95670454.html
Kyron Horman search intensifies around Sauvie Island Video Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: cookie on June 14, 2010, 08:03:25 PM hope this wasn't said before...does anyone think that another kid from the school...like an older child could have done something to Kyron?led him away, like that girl who murdered her sisters 9 yr old friend in Missouri...not sure of the name ....Elizabeth ?
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: sunshine12 on June 14, 2010, 08:17:51 PM hope this wasn't said before...does anyone think that another kid from the school...like an older child could have done something to Kyron?led him away, like that girl who murdered her sisters 9 yr old friend in Missouri...not sure of the name ....Elizabeth ? i thought this for a little, but based on where they are searching now i don't think it would be possible. i think it is possible that a parent that was at the school that morning, who knows both kyron and his parents, could be the perp Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: cookie on June 14, 2010, 08:23:06 PM and there is always the possibility that Kyron could have left the school on his own for whatever reason and got lost? dunno...this one is sure a puzzler.... still hoping that he is safe but it isn't looking good...sigh...
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tracygirl on June 14, 2010, 08:39:58 PM They must know who did this or they wouldn't have been narrowing in on the Sauvie area.
I think it was someone connected to the school, either by employment (not necessarily employed directly by that district) or a student. As Jess said, someone didn't just walk in off the street and decide to kidnap a child. Somehow they had enough control to get out of that school with Kyron. I think they were working within some kind of routine or it was normal for this person to be leaving the school at that particular time in the morning. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tracygirl on June 14, 2010, 08:50:11 PM Who were the different venders there that morning? I read they had indendent vendors working the science fair?
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: sunshine12 on June 14, 2010, 09:37:59 PM Who were the different venders there that morning? I read they had indendent vendors working the science fair? i dont remember reading this anywhere but i will check.. also, do you guys think maybe they didn't call it an abduction because they think kyron was deceased by the time he was moved from the school? Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: sunshine12 on June 14, 2010, 10:18:38 PM i just joined the facebook group for kyron and was reading through the comments there, needless to say there are a lot of interesting things being said, much of which seems like a rumor mill but there could be some truth to it. if anyone wants to check out the group, go on facebook and type in Kyron Horman, and it comes right up. I am tryin to copy and paste but the link to the part I was reading is too long and I don't know how to use the tiny URL..
anyway.. one of the comments on there, allegedly from someone with connections to the school, is that they found out that the step moms cell phone pinged to the sauvie island area and that 2 teachers from the school told police that they saw Kyron leave the school with stepmom around 9:15. IF this was true, it could explain why the teacher felt it was ok to mark him absent. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: New Monkey on June 14, 2010, 10:46:28 PM I am having a very difficult time believing anyone but the sm did this. And I say the sm, not because she's a sm, but because she was the last person seen with the child. Maybe because that's what my brain is more "comfortable" believing. It just seems absolutely incredible that another adult, and it seems since they are looking miles away from the school that it must have been an adult, knew what kid to take from the school that day. What are the chances that a perp was at the school and just happened to choose a kid whose teacher would not mark him absent until at least midday, a child who wouldn't be "missed" until he didn't get off the bus. I mean, what are the chances that everything fell into place so nice and neatly for the perp? It just almost defies logic, at least to my way of thinking, that it is anyone other than a family member.
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: sunshine12 on June 14, 2010, 11:02:43 PM I am having a very difficult time believing anyone but the sm did this. And I say the sm, not because she's a sm, but because she was the last person seen with the child. Maybe because that's what my brain is more "comfortable" believing. It just seems absolutely incredible that another adult, and it seems since they are looking miles away from the school that it must have been an adult, knew what kid to take from the school that day. What are the chances that a perp was at the school and just happened to choose a kid whose teacher would not mark him absent until at least midday, a child who wouldn't be "missed" until he didn't get off the bus. I mean, what are the chances that everything fell into place so nice and neatly for the perp? It just almost defies logic, at least to my way of thinking, that it is anyone other than a family member. at first i didn't think step mom was involved at all, but now i am starting to have second thoughts. if you think about it, it is the only thing that makes even a shred of sense (nothing that would hurt a child makes sense to me but you know what i mean).. I'm gonna run with the step mom theory for a second and lay out why i'm starting to feel like maybe its a possibility.. if its true that 2 teachers told police they saw him leave with her, it would explain why a teacher marked him in as absent and didn't call to double check. someone allegedly saw him leave school with her, so if they saw that, why would they be concerned about his whereabouts? this is the only plausible thing i can think of because this whole teacher/attendance thing has baffled me and everyone else from day one. i also found it interesting that the police took the time to dispell the rumors about odd behavior from step mom and the family. i haven't really seen this ever done before during a press conference. maybe they did this to give step mom a false sense of hope that she is not under suspicion while they quietly build their case against her. if its true that they got her cell phone pinging off a tower near the area they are currently searching then that is pretty telling in and of itself. there had to be something to lead them there and i am sure the step mom was throughly investigated from the beginning. i'm starting to think that she is involved. i hope im not upsetting anyone, but this is just my opinion. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 14, 2010, 11:18:29 PM sunshine, I haven't posted in this thread until now, and you aren't hurting my feelings at all, I have thought the step mom was involved from the beginning, but didn't want to say that was my thoughts. Sure hope I'm wrong, but can't shake the feeling, seems to make the most sense to me. Pray they find Kyron very soon.
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: MuffyBee on June 14, 2010, 11:39:09 PM sunshine, I haven't posted in this thread until now, and you aren't hurting my feelings at all, I have thought the step mom was involved from the beginning, but didn't want to say that was my thoughts. Sure hope I'm wrong, but can't shake the feeling, seems to make the most sense to me. Pray they find Kyron very soon. I hope Kyron is found soon. Prayers for Kyron, his family and friends. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: MuffyBee on June 14, 2010, 11:42:48 PM http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/kyron_hormans_disappearance_ca.html
Kyron Horman's disappearance casts pall on last day of classes at Skyline School June 14, 2010 Classes end Tuesday at Skyline School with one second-grader noticeably absent from his desk in an otherwise cheerful light-blue room. Kyron Horman's disappearance cast a pall over the final days of school as searchers crawled over the surrounding hillsides and roads looking for the missing 7-year–old with no success. "Kids are being kids and laughing, but there's definitely a cloud over the school right now," said Portland schools spokesman Matt Shelby. "They're definitely concerned for Kyron and his family." Authorities are now investigating the boy's disappearance as a criminal case and sent divers on Monday to Sauvie Island, where they were seen wading in waist-high water off the banks of the Multnomah Channel north of the island bridge. Others waded through a steep-sided ditch nearby. The mystery of what happened to Kyron has captured national attention, though the investigation has centered on the immediate area around the small K-8 school in the rural northwest corner of Multnomah County. Kyron vanished from Skyline after showing off his science project on June 4. His stepmother snapped a photo of the boy in front of his project -- a picture now posted on store windows and bulletin boards throughout the region. Shelby said Skyline is taking steps to provide support to their 300 students once school is out. Immediately after Kyron went missing, the school established a safe room filled with counselors. "They've seen some different waves of kids coming in," Shelby said. "At the beginning of last week it was mostly younger students who didn't understand why Kyron wasn't in class, but toward the end of the week some of the middle school kids who didn't really know Kyron were having a hard time figuring out what they were feeling." The services will be available to students throughout summer. "We don't do this very often," Shelby said. "We have counselors that work with our students for a variety of things, but to have a missing classmate for this amount of time is pretty unprecedented for our folks. We don't know how it's going to play out this summer. "We're still living this right now. We're in the middle of this and we're still hoping for a positive outcome," he said. "But I think when it's all said and done and we look back on this and we are on the other end, we're going to have a stronger community at that school." In developments Monday: Divers: A dive team moved to Sauvie Island, about a six-mile drive from Skyline School. Searchers already have combed parts of the island on horseback and foot, and a helicopter from the Oregon National Guard has hovered over the island and surrounding waters since Thursday. The search: More than 1,300 trained searchers from Oregon, Washington and Northern California took part in the hunt for Kyron, which sheriff's Capt. Jason Gates said was "arguably the largest ever tried or accomplished in Oregon." Gates thanked the crews for their help, along with the 42 law enforcement agencies and 213 detectives involved in the case. The all-out search for Kyron stopped Sunday and most searchers headed home. "The gratitude that we express from the sheriff's office is deep," he said. "And they know that when they're needing us we will come to them as well. That's how it works in Oregon. We look out for each other." What's next: Investigators will interview Skyline students, parents and staff again and do a secondary canvass of the neighborhood and other "focused areas," Gates said. "This process is not over. We as an investigative team, the sheriff's office and all the people that are directly involved in this effort are resolute in bringing Kyron home," he said. "This will not become a cold case for us. We will continue to investigate this case until we have it solved." Who's involved: Local search and rescue teams will remain on call to follow-up on any information that might lead to Kyron, officials said. The Multnomah County Sheriff's Office will continue to lead the investigation, and FBI spokeswoman Beth Anne Steele said the FIB will remain with the case. "We'll continue to provide whatever Multnomah County wants," Steele said. Tips: Gates again asked the public to remain vigilant and provide any information that might relate to Kyron's disappearance. Although tips continue to come in steadily, he said no detail is too small. "If you have good information for us, we want it," Gates said. "Any tidbits -- it's the tidbits that gets us to the end." The tip line is 503-261-2847. The sheriff's office also is offering a $25,000 reward for information that leads to finding Kyron. Vigil: Friends of Kyron's family are holding a candlelight vigil at 7 Tuesday night to show community support. The vigil is open to the public and will be held in the Sunset Presbyterian Church Sanctuary at 14986 N.W. Cornell Road. It was not known if Kyron's family members will attend, but people will be able to leave notes of encouragement for them at the church. The sanctuary will also be open from 10 a.m. to 6 p.m. if people want to pray for the boy. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tracygirl on June 15, 2010, 12:00:41 AM Oh gosh no one should be afraid to voice their opinion. We all bring different things to the table and are entitled to say what we feel. Personally I don't think the step mom is involved, mainly because I think if she was going to do something to this child there would have been a history and from what my researched has found, she has nothing in her past to refect she abused him. She is clean or at least I could find anything. Perhaps she snapped and thought she needed to kill him and she put together this plan? Stranger things have happened. I think it was someone involved in the school. I have to say though, neither choice is a good one.
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Starlit on June 15, 2010, 12:02:27 AM Sunshine12, I read that post over there on facebook and the first thing that popped into my head was thats why the teacher marked him absent. But then, where did the whole "he went to the bathroom to get a drink of water" come in?
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Itaryl Moosee on June 15, 2010, 12:20:01 AM About the rumors going on in Facebook...
Even IF there's any truth to them, I don't think LE knew about them until recently. The pings, for once, the cellphone records take a week to ten days to get. The teachers, it was said on the news that not all of the students, parents, and teachers had been questioned. Many had not been interviewed by Sunday. So, maybe the one or two who claim to see step-mom walk away from the school with Kyron were those lagging for not wanting to get involved. Maybe. So, if all is true, one has to ask... was the jacket and book bag left on purpose to make it appear he disappeared from school? Was the mention of the appointment (if it was true) to the teacher an effort to delay the teacher from notifying his absence because she would think he was at the appointment, then the SM would say "no, I meant next week?" Was the picture of the science fair taken to prove later on that he was INDEED physically at the school? Were the postings to Facebook that morning to show she had been active online and not up to no good somewhere else? The final question, was anyone else involved? I hate to say it, but nowadays weirder things have happened. There is no word on what the boy's family life was like, other than what we saw on TV for the cameras. There is turmoil in every home, in some more than others. We all heard that Terri's teenage son had lived with them, she and Kaine, since they had gotten together. But, two weeks before Kyron's disappearance he moves out of the home and has to live with the grandfather. It was said that it was for the love of his horses, but... why move before the school was over? Why not wait until the Summer? Now, if police wants to get a clear view of what went on inside the Horman home, the only person who can give it to them is the teenager. Does anyone has a picture of Terri hugging or embracing Kyron? If so, post it please. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Starlit on June 15, 2010, 12:27:46 AM Itaryl Moosee, I saw SM facebook before she made it private. I could be wrong but I did not see any pics her hugging on Kyron.
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: melisb on June 15, 2010, 12:34:57 AM I always thought it was SM. Now the way the PC was and the SD and bio Dad hugging makes more sense. It makes sense that SD personalized Kyron and maybe bio Dad was trying to throw things off for SM to make her comfortable? I do remember back one the first or second page someone saw him leave school with her and poss appointment day. There was no reason for the school to be alarmed cause they knew he had left with SM. I may be wrong but I don't believe so. Does anyone know what kind of car/van/truck SM drives? ALL MOO!
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tracygirl on June 15, 2010, 02:08:01 AM But doesn't it make sense that if LE learned that the sm left with Kyron rather then walking him to the classroom, they would have arrested her considering her story is in direct contrast to what she was telling them? I think at least they would be seeing her as a POI? What would be the reason for pretending she didn't do it? I think they not only would be pretending, but would be asking the bio mom, the dad, the step dad to all go under cover with them while they they got the step mom to confess? I don't know, it just doesn't connect for me.
I was speaking to a friend tonight about this case and she was telling me she was hoping the step mom did it because the thought of a child going missing while in school was just to much to handle! She didn't think she would be able to leave her child when school starts again in the fall because she wouldn't be able to trust in something she always had trust in and needed to have trust in. For me, I have to say I agree. I have school aged children, one being special needs. This story scares the hell out of me. I need them to be safe, I need to be able to trust the school. If this turns out to be connected to Kyrons school, how ass parents do we do that? Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tracygirl on June 15, 2010, 02:09:36 AM lol, ass should read as
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: New Monkey on June 15, 2010, 07:48:16 AM I hardly slept last night. My thinking is so circular on this case. Like TG says about her friend, part of me NEEDS to believe the SM did this. Otherwise, how can I send my innocent little girl to school?
If the SM did not do it I just don't understand how the perp made this happen or how he got "lucky" so to speak. Maybe he lured Kyron into the bathroom or a lower level and then put him in something and then hauled him out of the school and no one was the wiser. I could totally buy that happening. How did he know that he chose a child that would not be missed? Maybe he didn't care? Maybe it was a crime of opportunity a happenstance? In this case, I can't imagine the child was left in the school for any amount of time because there was too big a chance of the perp being caught if someone else happened across Kyron. Maybe it is someone very close to the family and he didn't have a hard time luring Kyron away. Again, how did this person, even though close to the family, know Kyron wouldn't be missed until much later in the day? Did he simply not care and was willing to do whatever it took to take Kyron that particular day? Either way, the whole scenario defies logic to me. I don't believe other family members are standing by SM to trap her in some way. I would be throttling information out of her as would most folks, I think. So, if SM did do it, the family has no idea, imo. Logically, she is the person who makes the most sense to me. Having said that though, folks have made some very valid points along the lines of why would she take him to school at all? Alibi is one reason, i can think of. But again, how would the SM know that someone wouldn't see her leave with Kryon. IOW, she could've left the school with him without anyone batting an eye and bought herself some time before the rest of the family would know what happened. But does that really even make sense? Do we know the teacher had the conversation with the substitute about Kyron is prolly in the bathroom, blah, blah, blah? I just find it very difficult to believe there weren't headcounts several times during that day since it wasn't a "normal" day at school. Sorry for rambling so much. This one really has me baffled. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: pamomma on June 15, 2010, 08:25:10 AM Has anyone read or heard anywhere where the little girl (Terri and Kayne's 18 month old daughter) was while Terri and Kyron went to the school that morning? I haven't read anywhere that she was with them at the school....so where was she? If she was with a sitter, then I wonder what Terri's demeanor was when she picked her up...and what time that was. I have read that Terri was a stay at home mom, so she must have used a sitter that morning.
I also tend to think Terri was not involved, but like many of you, the thought of it being someone else scares the heck out of me....I honestly just pray that someday (very soon) we do know who was responsible and this isn't one of those cases that goes on for months or years. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: seahorse on June 15, 2010, 08:33:41 AM Hi Monkeys,
http://www.kgw.com/news/Kyron-photo-album-appears-on-Youtube-96076584.html 48 Photo's of little Kyron on the video clip underneath the text. I wish Nancy Grace would cover Kyron. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: pamomma on June 15, 2010, 08:49:42 AM Found this...don't know if it helps at all, but thought I'd include it. On why they are searching Sauvie Island waters:
snipped "Divers were spotted from the air in waist-deep and chest-deep water in the afternoon at Sauvie Island, and authorities confirmed late in the afternoon that it was part of the search for Kyron. They said tips led them to search the area but would not elaborate." http://www.katu.com/news/96341619.html Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: melisb on June 15, 2010, 09:40:03 AM I'm trully torn...Blink has me believing someone (poss a Man) will be arrested by end of week and she is the voice of reason and I tend to side with her but the SM just plain makes sense to me. I can't shake that feeling. If a terrible SexO took Kyron or even someone the family knows another who did it and this person isn't in custody they why would LE say it's an isolated incident? This person could harm another lil angel if not arrested. Why not warn the community? What would make this an isolated incident? The only thing I could think of is SM, SBrother, another child or someone so close to the fam right there with them under constant eye of fam and LE. Help me Monkeys! What am I not seeing?
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: sunshine12 on June 15, 2010, 10:10:11 AM I'm trully torn...Blink has me believing someone (poss a Man) will be arrested by end of week and she is the voice of reason and I tend to side with her but the SM just plain makes sense to me. I can't shake that feeling. If a terrible SexO took Kyron or even someone the family knows another who did it and this person isn't in custody they why would LE say it's an isolated incident? This person could harm another lil angel if not arrested. Why not warn the community? What would make this an isolated incident? The only thing I could think of is SM, SBrother, another child or someone so close to the fam right there with them under constant eye of fam and LE. Help me Monkeys! What am I not seeing? i hear ya. i posted about the rumor on blinks site and she told me that it is a rumor. as a follower of that site since morgan harrington's disappearance i know how honest and ethical blink is in her work, so if shes saying its just a nasty rumor about step mom being seen with kyron and her cell phone pings at sauvie island then i am going to believe her Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Lenie on June 15, 2010, 10:43:28 AM Something that has crossed my mind is that we see more and more of these "fake" kidnappings happening. Could it have been this that went horribly wrong?
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: melisb on June 15, 2010, 11:17:18 AM You're right Sunshine I just needed someone to remind me to weigh all options. It just stuck in my head about SM and Kyron leaving school toghether in the early news article and then never being mentioned again. I try not to believe things in print unless straight from LE or really credible sources. But that's how things stick in your head. I'll try not to be so one track and open my closed mind. Thanks!
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: sunshine12 on June 15, 2010, 11:32:56 AM You're right Sunshine I just needed someone to remind me to weigh all options. It just stuck in my head about SM and Kyron leaving school toghether in the early news article and then never being mentioned again. I try not to believe things in print unless straight from LE or really credible sources. But that's how things stick in your head. I'll try not to be so one track and open my closed mind. Thanks! yea i am having the same issue with this case because i just can't get over how this perpetrator literally had the "perfect storm" occur so that Kyron wasn't reported missing until 3:45 pm. it baffles me and i can't logically wrap my head around it but i'm trying to... Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: cookie on June 15, 2010, 11:37:04 AM You're right Sunshine I just needed someone to remind me to weigh all options. It just stuck in my head about SM and Kyron leaving school toghether in the early news article and then never being mentioned again. I try not to believe things in print unless straight from LE or really credible sources. But that's how things stick in your head. I'll try not to be so one track and open my closed mind. Thanks! yea i am having the same issue with this case because i just can't get over how this perpetrator literally had the "perfect storm" occur so that Kyron wasn't reported missing until 3:45 pm. it baffles me and i can't logically wrap my head around it but i'm trying to... exactly..and what is LE saying to relieve parents fears that there is not a predator in their midst? none that I have heard...sooooo...do they have an idea of who took Kyron? did the mom's phone pings go off around the lake that they were searching? someone said that it takes 10 days to get the phone records, but in a case like this, couldn't they get them sooner?? something led them to that lake... Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: klaasend on June 15, 2010, 11:43:44 AM NEW BLINK POST:
http://blinkoncrime.com/2010/06/15/kyron-horman-missing-and-endangered-john-walsh-on-today-show-media-will-solve-this-case/ Kyron Horman Missing and Endangered: John Walsh on Today Show- “Media Will Solve This Case” Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: pamomma on June 15, 2010, 11:48:48 AM You're right Sunshine I just needed someone to remind me to weigh all options. It just stuck in my head about SM and Kyron leaving school toghether in the early news article and then never being mentioned again. I try not to believe things in print unless straight from LE or really credible sources. But that's how things stick in your head. I'll try not to be so one track and open my closed mind. Thanks! yea i am having the same issue with this case because i just can't get over how this perpetrator literally had the "perfect storm" occur so that Kyron wasn't reported missing until 3:45 pm. it baffles me and i can't logically wrap my head around it but i'm trying to... exactly..and what is LE saying to relieve parents fears that there is not a predator in their midst? none that I have heard...sooooo...do they have an idea of who took Kyron? did the mom's phone pings go off around the lake that they were searching? someone said that it takes 10 days to get the phone records, but in a case like this, couldn't they get them sooner?? something led them to that lake... cookie- you are so right...LE has said it's an isolated incident...but how do they know that for sure unless they know who did this? AND, it that's the case, it can't possibly be someone who is around other children (like the teacher) because there is NO way they would be able to allow this person to continue interacting with children, even under supervision, if they know the person is responsible for this. You could never put those other children in danger by ASSUMING the perpetrator was only interested in Kyron. As much as I fault the teacher, I just can't see LE allowing her to continue teaching other children if they thought she was involved. I know others have brought it up, but my gut is telling me that perhaps there was some kind of accident/coverup at work here, not by LE, by the perpetrator. I hope Blink is correct and an arrest is made by the end of the week. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Wyks on June 15, 2010, 11:55:28 AM I still want to know more about Kyron's OTHER big brother!! Who is he? How much older is he? Where does he live? Why hasn't he been mentioned til this article? Where was he the day Kyron went missing? big brothers... plural ------- them... plural "He looks up to his big brothers and enjoys spending time with them. They dance and rock out in the living room." http://www.kxl.com/KYRON-HORMAN--Oregon-s-Largest-Search-Operation-Ev/7399304 (http://www.kxl.com/KYRON-HORMAN--Oregon-s-Largest-Search-Operation-Ev/7399304) Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: canadianmonkey on June 15, 2010, 11:57:57 AM I have a really hard time thinking it's the SM. There was an article about Kyron's seat mate saying that he saw the SM leave without Kyron. Kids don't lie about things like that.
I keep remembering how adamant everyone was that the lady on the video walking away with Tori was Tori's mom. I think it really hurt the tips coming in. I hope we will all find out what happened to Kyron soon. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: canadianmonkey on June 15, 2010, 12:00:32 PM I still want to know more about Kyron's OTHER big brother!! Who is he? How much older is he? Where does he live? Why hasn't he been mentioned til this article? Where was he the day Kyron went missing? big brothers... plural ------- them... plural "He looks up to his big brothers and enjoys spending time with them. They dance and rock out in the living room." http://www.kxl.com/KYRON-HORMAN--Oregon-s-Largest-Search-Operation-Ev/7399304 (http://www.kxl.com/KYRON-HORMAN--Oregon-s-Largest-Search-Operation-Ev/7399304) I'm with you. Why isn't he living with the family? Why did they search the pasture where they ride horses? He hasn't been mentioned anywhere. However they haven't mentioned the little one either. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: pamomma on June 15, 2010, 12:14:42 PM very interesting Blink article, and a great interview by John Walsh. Poor Kyron
I believe Blink has said adamantly that the brother was on boyscout camping trip that weekend and has been cleared because he was not in the area. Although I am also curious about "brothers" and whether it is a typo or there is another brother we are not hearing about Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tracygirl on June 15, 2010, 12:38:56 PM Melisb you can't make sense of a situation that doesn't make sense in the first place. It fits with the step mom because we hear she is the last person to have seen him. If she did this then she left a big hole wide open, the teacher obviously didn't think he was at an appointment when he first went missing because she was said to suggest he may be in the bathroom. Plus, telling the teacher he was going to be missing a few hours due to an appointment leaves him right with her.
If you consider a few other stories, Sandra Cantu was taken right from the front of her home pretty much, Lindsey was taken while walking home, Amber was taken while walking to school, Summer was taken while walking home from school with 2 siblings and in a crowd, Tori was taken while walking home etc....All of these children would be missed in a short period of time, it is the nature of it I think for a pedo. I think it adds to their excitement. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Gizzie on June 15, 2010, 12:49:20 PM My cousin asked me the other day if I had read about a classmate saying that Kyron said "he was going to meet the electric man". I don't remember reading this although I very well could have missed it.
Does anyone know if it was here or if there's an article about it? TIA Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: canadianmonkey on June 15, 2010, 01:07:37 PM My cousin asked me the other day if I had read about a classmate saying that Kyron said "he was going to meet the electric man". I don't remember reading this although I very well could have missed it. Does anyone know if it was here or if there's an article about it? TIA It's in the article about the seat mate or Kyron's best friend. He said that he was going to see the science project...it was electric. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: canadianmonkey on June 15, 2010, 01:09:46 PM Tanner Pumala, Kyron's classmate, said he last saw his friend at about the same time when Kyron told him he was headed to look at another student's science project. "He walked by the hallway and I'm like, 'Hi, Kyron,' and he's like, 'Hi. I'm going to go see this cool one. It's electric.' I'm like, 'Alright, bye.' And that's the last time I saw him," Tanner said. "He never did make it back to class." As the search for Kyron enters its sixth day, Tanner said his friend's disappearance is all he can think about. "I'm feeling really sad. For the last five days, I haven't gotten much sleep," he said. "I'm hoping that my best friend will come back." http://www.kptv.com/news/23842774/detail.html bump Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Wyks on June 15, 2010, 01:25:58 PM Some notes for our timeline..
and some interesting info that I am revisiting. The actual search for Kyron didn't begin at 3:45p. (it began about 50 minutes later than that). It's been reported in the news that the stepmom, at the bus stop somewhere between 3:30 and 3:45p (both have been reported), realized Kyron wasn't on the bus.. ran home (takes a few minutes), and called the school. "She called Skyline, and the school secretary called 9-1-1." "School secretary Susan Hall called 911 at 3:56 p.m." http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/kyron_horman_search_may_have_s.html (http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/kyron_horman_search_may_have_s.html) The stepmom then notified authorities. Am thinking that she and the secretary were both dialing LE at about the same time. "About a half-hour passed before they pulled up to the school and the Horman home, about 2 1/2 miles from the school." ("they" being LE. And it likely took a few minutes once they got to each location for stepmom and secretary to explain the situation. From the above link: "Among those responding were a sergeant, a police dog and about eight Portland officers." "The official search for Kyron began at 4:33 p.m." "Shortly after 5:30 p.m., school authorities alerted parents through an automated phone message." "Sometime between 7 and 7:45 p.m., Staton personally called the FBI." (Sheriff Dan Staton) "The first search teams arrived at 8:09 p.m. The search-and-rescue coordinator, Deputy Mark Herron, arrived at 8:25 p.m." ~~ It's interesting to me how many different versions of all this there have been in the news. Just makes me wonder why. Sloppy media reporting comes to mind, as has been typical lately with the media in a good majority of these 'gone missing' cases. Get info, runnnn with it, confirm later, info changes, report it correctly next time. Sigh. The article at the above link was written on June 12th and updated on the 13th. This is well after all the initial confusion with various info come flying in and back out to us, the readers. They've had time to gather actual info/facts and to confirm it as well. Which is why I am taking quotes from this article. Also interesting to me is that the article also was written well after the initial reports of info received thru LE interviews with this and that person... including the various comments here and there, which resulted in confusion or seeming one's comments contradicting another. (ok, this person says... but wait, I thought the other one said... ) So the reporter at this link has had time to sift thru ALL that confusion... and comes up with this: ".... the second-grader vanished and was gone nearly seven hours before anyone noticed." Well.. that kind of lets the air out of everything anyone said and brings us straight back to what we knew before. No one noticed for seven, count them, seven hours. Kind of says to me that LE may not be taking what others have said so very seriously. ~~ As can be seen at the above link, 911 was alerted by the secretary. We've read in the news that: stepmom "called 911" stepmom "contacted authorities" (anywhere from 3:30p to 4:00p, depending on which news outlet one is reading from, and if it was 1st, 2nd or 3rd report, etc). Some news reports seem to evade saying exactly that the stepmom called 911, but beat around the bush by using the word 'authorities'. Some just say 911 and scurry on to the next point, while at the same time detail the secretary's call to 911, including her name etc. I really just initially skimmed over that info in the news, just registering the fact that 911 was called and that the stepmom had also put forth the effort in good time. (unlike casey anthony) It was when I read an 'unconfirmed report' online, at Kyron's facebook, and ok yes... in the rumor thread there... that I really sat up and started wondering about the whole 911 call, when/who etc, went back to the news articles and started digging for more info. This is unconfirmed: (the 'she' the poster refers to is the stepmom) Mark "911 was called at 3:56 by the secretary at the school she didnt make the initial call till later on the non emergent line" http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=125336750831264&topic=279#topic_top (http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=125336750831264&topic=279#topic_top) Interesting.. Whether true or not, remains to be seen. And yet.... *IF* true, could be why some news articles seem to squirm around using the word 911, but rather report instead that the stepmom "called authorities". Still and all, the authorities were called, in some shape/fashion/form by the stepmom, in a timely manner, and that's good enough for me. *IF* she did indeed call the non-emergency line, she may have thought because the secretary was calling 911, she didn't want to tie that line up with a second call??? But needed to be in touch with LE herself anyway. I dunno. Wish I knew where 'Mark' got that info. We've seen in other cases where sometimes some rumors become facts, as time moves along. And I dunno why I'm nit-picking this so badly. Maybe I'm trying to avoid bathing four dogs? lol Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Mudder on June 15, 2010, 01:35:01 PM Could it be that Kayne had some problems with the older boy, and demanded that he be removed from their home, and then SM decided if she couldn't have her son with her, then he wouldn't have his son either?
I'm like all the rest of the parents here, I so hope it was not a stranger abduction at school. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Wyks on June 15, 2010, 01:38:28 PM I still want to know more about Kyron's OTHER big brother!! Who is he? How much older is he? Where does he live? Why hasn't he been mentioned til this article? Where was he the day Kyron went missing? big brothers... plural ------- them... plural "He looks up to his big brothers and enjoys spending time with them. They dance and rock out in the living room." http://www.kxl.com/KYRON-HORMAN--Oregon-s-Largest-Search-Operation-Ev/7399304 (http://www.kxl.com/KYRON-HORMAN--Oregon-s-Largest-Search-Operation-Ev/7399304) I'm with you. Why isn't he living with the family? Why did they search the pasture where they ride horses? He hasn't been mentioned anywhere. However they haven't mentioned the little one either. Yep, have read the little info we've received on Kyron's 16 yr old big brother, and do have questions about him, as do others. And understand that he was away on a scout campout with his dad. This article says there are TWO big brothers. Not just one, the 16 yr old. My questions above refer to the mysterious second big brother not mentioned anywhere else. At first I thought.... typo. But it continues the line of thought and says that Kyron likes to spend time with them. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Gizzie on June 15, 2010, 01:44:54 PM Tanner Pumala, Kyron's classmate, said he last saw his friend at about the same time when Kyron told him he was headed to look at another student's science project. "He walked by the hallway and I'm like, 'Hi, Kyron,' and he's like, 'Hi. I'm going to go see this cool one. It's electric.' I'm like, 'Alright, bye.' And that's the last time I saw him," Tanner said. "He never did make it back to class." As the search for Kyron enters its sixth day, Tanner said his friend's disappearance is all he can think about. "I'm feeling really sad. For the last five days, I haven't gotten much sleep," he said. "I'm hoping that my best friend will come back." http://www.kptv.com/news/23842774/detail.html bump Thank you!! Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Wyks on June 15, 2010, 01:47:49 PM I have a really hard time thinking it's the SM. There was an article about Kyron's seat mate saying that he saw the SM leave without Kyron. Kids don't lie about things like that. I keep remembering how adamant everyone was that the lady on the video walking away with Tori was Tori's mom. I think it really hurt the tips coming in. I hope we will all find out what happened to Kyron soon. I agree, kids don't lie about stuff like that. If anything, we can learn the most from the kids in class, because (as other monkeys have pointed out) kids don't have an agenda. Have no reason to be attempting to cover for anyone. They typically blurt out the truth. It's the adults in their lives who may then try to coverup what the child said. Kyron's seatmate is Tanner, he's the one who first alerted the teacher that Kyron wasn't there. LE, on discovering this info, tried to get Tanner to hush, in public. It was Tanner's gma who (seemingly) went against that, and (seemingly) encouraged Tanner to tell what he knows, to the media. IMO, if that's how it all went down... kudos to the gma for wanting the truth to be known by all! And scary to think what other info Tanner and/or Kyron's other classmates may have, may want to say, who may also have been told by LE/FBI/school authorities/parents (?) to hush, don't tell.... at least yet publically... (yet.... or never?) Sigh. Guess WE don't need to know this (right now anyway), but LE/FBI sure does need to know it all. IMO. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tracygirl on June 15, 2010, 01:51:34 PM Tanner Pumala, Kyron's classmate, said he last saw his friend at about the same time when Kyron told him he was headed to look at another student's science project. "He walked by the hallway and I'm like, 'Hi, Kyron,' and he's like, 'Hi. I'm going to go see this cool one. It's electric.' I'm like, 'Alright, bye.' And that's the last time I saw him," Tanner said. "He never did make it back to class." As the search for Kyron enters its sixth day, Tanner said his friend's disappearance is all he can think about. "I'm feeling really sad. For the last five days, I haven't gotten much sleep," he said. "I'm hoping that my best friend will come back." http://www.kptv.com/news/23842774/detail.html bump So doesn't this imply that he was heading back to the fair or was at the fair? I wish I knew what time this was at. also, when the "sub" teacher(which by the way I am thinking the boy meant the helper) said, oh no there are only 5, I think that means she at one time had 6 or why would she say only 5. That is when the teacher said to the sub well maybe he went to the bathroom or got a drink as if he was lagging behind? The school is refusing to say when they marked him absent because I think it was after they returned from viewing the fair. I bet the teacher didn't do role at 9 as she should have. It makes sense if LE has told them to not say anything because they don't want this story in its entirety to be told just yet. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: pamomma on June 15, 2010, 01:55:17 PM This is unconfirmed: (the 'she' the poster refers to is the stepmom) Mark "911 was called at 3:56 by the secretary at the school she didnt make the initial call till later on the non emergent line" http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=125336750831264&topic=279#topic_top (http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=125336750831264&topic=279#topic_top) Interesting.. Whether true or not, remains to be seen. And yet.... *IF* true, could be why some news articles seem to squirm around using the word 911, but rather report instead that the stepmom "called authorities". Still and all, the authorities were called, in some shape/fashion/form by the stepmom, in a timely manner, and that's good enough for me. *IF* she did indeed call the non-emergency line, she may have thought because the secretary was calling 911, she didn't want to tie that line up with a second call??? But needed to be in touch with LE herself anyway. I dunno. Wish I knew where 'Mark' got that info. We've seen in other cases where sometimes some rumors become facts, as time moves along. And I dunno why I'm nit-picking this so badly. Maybe I'm trying to avoid bathing four dogs? lol We live in a town about the same size as Kyron's, same number of kids in the school too. If we call 911 it goes to a center in a larger city near us, who then alerts local police. I know the number for our local police and know many of the officers. So I don't think her calling the non-emergency line is that odd...if she called 911 she would have to explain the entire situation to the operator, and then that person would explain the situation to police. Maybe the 911 operator wouldn't realize how out of character this is and how alarming it is b/c they don't know Terri or Kyron, but if she called the police dept and speak to a local officer, who she probably does know and who may know Kyron, she may get a faster and more alarmed response.....not saying this is what DID happen or what I would have done....but I can see scenario happening. In town like that (and mine) people seem to know people, I went to high school with one of our officers and could possibly seeing myself calling him rather than 911 simply b/c he would understand this is a BIG DEAL that requires IMMEDIATE ATTENTION, b/c he knows me and my children. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Wyks on June 15, 2010, 02:09:21 PM You're right Sunshine I just needed someone to remind me to weigh all options. It just stuck in my head about SM and Kyron leaving school toghether in the early news article and then never being mentioned again. I try not to believe things in print unless straight from LE or really credible sources. But that's how things stick in your head. I'll try not to be so one track and open my closed mind. Thanks! yea i am having the same issue with this case because i just can't get over how this perpetrator literally had the "perfect storm" occur so that Kyron wasn't reported missing until 3:45 pm. it baffles me and i can't logically wrap my head around it but i'm trying to... exactly..and what is LE saying to relieve parents fears that there is not a predator in their midst? none that I have heard...sooooo...do they have an idea of who took Kyron? did the mom's phone pings go off around the lake that they were searching? someone said that it takes 10 days to get the phone records, but in a case like this, couldn't they get them sooner?? something led them to that lake... LE has said that this is an 'isolated' case. Which is in a way, IMO, trying to help tone down any fear the general public/parents may have. That does make it sound like LE knows exactly what happened with Kyron, doesn't it? Guess if they do, they can't come right and say that yet. It just leaves my head spinning when they give info yet it isn't detailed enough to be really saying something concrete. Then so many wonder why some folks online speculate, trying to figure out what's really being said by LE... or not. <shakes head> Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Wyks on June 15, 2010, 02:12:51 PM Could it be that Kayne had some problems with the older boy, and demanded that he be removed from their home, and then SM decided if she couldn't have her son with her, then he wouldn't have his son either? I'm like all the rest of the parents here, I so hope it was not a stranger abduction at school. Hmmmm... interesting, Mudder! Hadn't thought about it like that, but gosh, that's another possibility. Yeah, am thinking if this were a 'stranger abduction', Kyron would likely have screamed, struggled, set up a ruckus, if possible. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tracygirl on June 15, 2010, 02:34:08 PM Interesting fact. A person is no longer a stranger to a child once they know their name, or they have seen them before or if a relative or friend knows them.
An isolated incident...That is puzzling. I know one day that statement will make sense. hmmm. I don't know..not sure what that would mean unless they have the person in custody or someone has confessed, how do they know it was isolated? What type of crime is isolated? An accident of some kind? But what kind of accident would happen at a school during a science fair? What other crimes are isolated? Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Wyks on June 15, 2010, 02:36:05 PM Tanner Pumala, Kyron's classmate, said he last saw his friend at about the same time when Kyron told him he was headed to look at another student's science project. "He walked by the hallway and I'm like, 'Hi, Kyron,' and he's like, 'Hi. I'm going to go see this cool one. It's electric.' I'm like, 'Alright, bye.' And that's the last time I saw him," Tanner said. "He never did make it back to class." As the search for Kyron enters its sixth day, Tanner said his friend's disappearance is all he can think about. "I'm feeling really sad. For the last five days, I haven't gotten much sleep," he said. "I'm hoping that my best friend will come back." http://www.kptv.com/news/23842774/detail.html bump So doesn't this imply that he was heading back to the fair or was at the fair? I wish I knew what time this was at. also, when the "sub" teacher(which by the way I am thinking the boy meant the helper) said, oh no there are only 5, I think that means she at one time had 6 or why would she say only 5. That is when the teacher said to the sub well maybe he went to the bathroom or got a drink as if he was lagging behind? The school is refusing to say when they marked him absent because I think it was after they returned from viewing the fair. I bet the teacher didn't do role at 9 as she should have. It makes sense if LE has told them to not say anything because they don't want this story in its entirety to be told just yet. The way Tanner words what he said does make it seem that Kyron was part of another small group, not the one he was in, who was likely on the way back into their own classroom, when Tanner saw and spoke with him. ?? Sounds like Kyron wanted to go to wherever the electric project was, maybe real quick, before coming fully into the classroom and sitting down. ?? And then a bit later Tanner realizes he didn't come back. So I agree with ya. It does seem to imply he was heading back to where the science projects were. And it's frustrating that the school won't say the time that roll was actually taken. It's as if perhaps roll hadn't been taken at all that day, even tho they do say it was. What's so hard about saying when? Did teacher even take an informal head count early on? I kinda doubt it. At any rate, the whole roll call thing would pinpoint exactly when the school officially realized Kyron was not there. Wish we knew who is not releasing that info to the public, the school or LE.... If the school, then it sounds like a liability issue, which perhaps the school just doesn't want to face quite yet. If LE, then it sounds like the public knowing could jeopardize their case. And maybe it's a mixture of both. Bet Tanner has quite a bit more to say. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tracygirl on June 15, 2010, 02:43:11 PM Found this that may explain isolated incident....
Snipped: http://www.calea.org/Online/newsletter/No75/crime_analysis.htm Simply put, crime analysis is the study of crime patterns and trends. Most crime is made up of random, unpredictable, unconnected incidents. A man seizes the opportunity to steal a laptop left unattended. An argument in a bar erupts into a fight. A man is killed in a drug deal gone awry. A date rape. Some bullies steal a classmate's hat on the playground. A bored housewife shoplifts a pair of earrings. A feud between neighbors leads to a rock thrown through a bedroom window. These crimes are usually isolated incidents that can be handled with traditional police response, investigation, and court proceedings. Crime analysts look for crimes that are not part of isolated incidents. We look for the gas station robber who holds up a different clerk every Friday night; the rapist who stalks women in parks in the eastern half of the city; the pigeon-drop con artist; the repeat auto thief; the group of kids who smash car windows every weekend; the purse snatcher; the domestic violence "hot spot"; the serial killer. Our job is to identify these patterns and trends and inform the patrol officers, the investigators, and, in many cases, the public. Based on the information at hand, we try to predict where and when the criminal is going to strike again. Finally, we work with other members of the department, other city agencies, and the public to develop strategies to eradicate problems. So I suppose since there hasn't been other reported children missing from schools then it is isolated? That is what I gather anyway. How do they know it is not the first in a series of incidents? Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Wyks on June 15, 2010, 02:49:02 PM We live in a town about the same size as Kyron's, same number of kids in the school too. If we call 911 it goes to a center in a larger city near us, who then alerts local police. I know the number for our local police and know many of the officers. So I don't think her calling the non-emergency line is that odd...if she called 911 she would have to explain the entire situation to the operator, and then that person would explain the situation to police. Maybe the 911 operator wouldn't realize how out of character this is and how alarming it is b/c they don't know Terri or Kyron, but if she called the police dept and speak to a local officer, who she probably does know and who may know Kyron, she may get a faster and more alarmed response.....not saying this is what DID happen or what I would have done....but I can see scenario happening. In town like that (and mine) people seem to know people, I went to high school with one of our officers and could possibly seeing myself calling him rather than 911 simply b/c he would understand this is a BIG DEAL that requires IMMEDIATE ATTENTION, b/c he knows me and my children. Points well made and taken, pamomma, thanks! Sure makes sense, that it does. Put me in mind of our LE too, the closest would take at least a good 30 min to get here, unless there was a cruiser floating around somewhere. We are so rural we get a cruiser that circles our (less than ten) roads once a week or so, and waves at folks outside. Knew immediately there was a change in our village the day after we had put up a fence for our dogs. Stopped to admire it, suggesting that with huskies it could have been a foot or two higher. lol Anyway, for all the reasons you gave, pamomma, calling the non-emergency number does make a lot of sense. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Wyks on June 15, 2010, 02:52:36 PM Interesting fact. A person is no longer a stranger to a child once they know their name, or they have seen them before or if a relative or friend knows them. An isolated incident...That is puzzling. I know one day that statement will make sense. hmmm. I don't know..not sure what that would mean unless they have the person in custody or someone has confessed, how do they know it was isolated? What type of crime is isolated? An accident of some kind? But what kind of accident would happen at a school during a science fair? What other crimes are isolated? Only 'accident' at school I can think of atm, is if Kyron found the 'electric' project, touched it, and got good and zapped. ??? Dunno. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Wyks on June 15, 2010, 03:01:22 PM Interesting fact. A person is no longer a stranger to a child once they know their name, or they have seen them before or if a relative or friend knows them. An isolated incident...That is puzzling. I know one day that statement will make sense. hmmm. I don't know..not sure what that would mean unless they have the person in custody or someone has confessed, how do they know it was isolated? What type of crime is isolated? An accident of some kind? But what kind of accident would happen at a school during a science fair? What other crimes are isolated? First thing that comes to mind when I hear LE use the expression, 'this is an isolated incident'.... is that there is someone in particular LE is convinced is responsible for whatever, and are waiting for hard evidence that will hold up in court. And just when I think ok I can sit back and wait... while they are waiting. But then didn't LE say 'This isn't an abduction'. ?? (trying to find link). Which then makes me look back at family members. Cuz if Kyron is gone, but not abducted.. doesn't that only leave accident and coverup, or gone with family not kidnapped? Sigh. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Wyks on June 15, 2010, 03:04:45 PM Found this that may explain isolated incident.... Snipped: http://www.calea.org/Online/newsletter/No75/crime_analysis.htm Simply put, crime analysis is the study of crime patterns and trends. Most crime is made up of random, unpredictable, unconnected incidents. A man seizes the opportunity to steal a laptop left unattended. An argument in a bar erupts into a fight. A man is killed in a drug deal gone awry. A date rape. Some bullies steal a classmate's hat on the playground. A bored housewife shoplifts a pair of earrings. A feud between neighbors leads to a rock thrown through a bedroom window. These crimes are usually isolated incidents that can be handled with traditional police response, investigation, and court proceedings. Crime analysts look for crimes that are not part of isolated incidents. We look for the gas station robber who holds up a different clerk every Friday night; the rapist who stalks women in parks in the eastern half of the city; the pigeon-drop con artist; the repeat auto thief; the group of kids who smash car windows every weekend; the purse snatcher; the domestic violence "hot spot"; the serial killer. Our job is to identify these patterns and trends and inform the patrol officers, the investigators, and, in many cases, the public. Based on the information at hand, we try to predict where and when the criminal is going to strike again. Finally, we work with other members of the department, other city agencies, and the public to develop strategies to eradicate problems. So I suppose since there hasn't been other reported children missing from schools then it is isolated? That is what I gather anyway. How do they know it is not the first in a series of incidents? Hmmm.... Interesting, TG, and thought-provoking! Thanks! Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: canadianmonkey on June 15, 2010, 03:16:23 PM Police share replica of Kyron Horman's glasses
by Teresa Blackman kgw.com Posted on June 15, 2010 at 11:19 AM Updated today at 11:23 AM *(http://media.kgw.com/images/445*264/kyron+horman+glasses+2tent.jpg) * PORTLAND – In the ongoing effort to find missing seven-year-old Kyron Horman, police on Monday displayed a replica of the eyeglasses he was wearing the day he disappeared. The photo above and the photo gallery in the right column of this story display an exact match of the model, brand and color of Kyron's eyeglass frames, according to police. “These photos should be used with photos of likenesses of Kyron's clothing released earlier this week to raise public awareness as the search for Kyron continues,” said Capt. Drew Brosh with the Multnomah County Sheriff's Office. Last week, police displayed replicas of the clothing Kyron was wearing the day he vanished. (See photo below) (http://www.kgw.com/home/Police-display-outfit-last-worn-by-Kyron-Horman-96171334.html) http://www.kgw.com/news/local/Police-display-replica-of-glasses-worn-by-Kyron-Horman-96398984.html Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tracygirl on June 15, 2010, 03:20:42 PM Interesting fact. A person is no longer a stranger to a child once they know their name, or they have seen them before or if a relative or friend knows them. An isolated incident...That is puzzling. I know one day that statement will make sense. hmmm. I don't know..not sure what that would mean unless they have the person in custody or someone has confessed, how do they know it was isolated? What type of crime is isolated? An accident of some kind? But what kind of accident would happen at a school during a science fair? What other crimes are isolated? First thing that comes to mind when I hear LE use the expression, 'this is an isolated incident'.... is that there is someone in particular LE is convinced is responsible for whatever, and are waiting for hard evidence that will hold up in court. And just when I think ok I can sit back and wait... while they are waiting. But then didn't LE say 'This isn't an abduction'. ?? (trying to find link). Which then makes me look back at family members. Cuz if Kyron is gone, but not abducted.. doesn't that only leave accident and coverup, or gone with family not kidnapped? Sigh. Oh gosh Wykes how many times have we heard Le say they can't say it was an abduction or a kidnapping? Lets see there was Tori, Sandra, Summer to name 3 off the top of my head that obviously were kidnapped. To me, that doesn't carry much weight. Possibly being lured doesnt'= kidnapping, for some reason or so it seems. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Wyks on June 15, 2010, 03:22:21 PM Tuesday, June 15, 2010 "It's not a search-and-rescue operation anymore," Gates said. (Multnomah County Sheriff's Capt. Jason Gates) http://www.columbian.com/news/2010/jun/15/search-fro-missing-ore-boy-intensifies-around-sauv/ (http://www.columbian.com/news/2010/jun/15/search-fro-missing-ore-boy-intensifies-around-sauv/) ~~ ie: they are now looking for Kyron's body. <cries> Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: canadianmonkey on June 15, 2010, 03:33:03 PM Search for missing Ore. boy intensifies around Sauvie Island
By Associated Press Tuesday, June 15, 2010 Portland, OR — Authorities overseeing one of the largest search-and-rescue operations in state history said Monday that a missing 7-year-old Portland boy likely didn't simply walk away from school when he disappeared 11 days ago. Multnomah County Sheriff's Capt. Jason Gates said the massive search for Kyron Horman has been scaled back, but it continues as a criminal investigation. Kyron went missing June 4 after a science fair at his elementary school. "The process is not over," Gates said. "We as an investigative team are resolved to bring Kyron home. This will not become a cold case for us." The teams searching for Kyron had included more than 1,300 volunteers from across the state, as well as from southern Washington state and northern California. Most of those teams were sent home Sunday. A more limited search team from Multnomah County will canvass Skyline Elementary School again this week. That's where Kyron was reportedly last seen. "It's not a search-and-rescue operation anymore," Gates said. Dive crews on Monday afternoon searched the Columbia River in the Sauvie Island area. It was the second time crews have focused on the area. On Friday, sheriff's office horse trailers were seen at the bottom of the Sauvie Island Bridge. The sheriff's office said tips led them to search around Sauvie Island, but declined to elaborate. Gates said parents in the area around Skyline shouldn't take extra precautions with their children. Authorities have said since the earliest days of the investigation that they believe Kyron's disappearance was an isolated case. "There is no reason to believe that the kids are in any danger here," Gates said. The sheriff's office has offered a $25,000 reward for information that leads to the boy. Anyone with information is asked to call the tip line at (503) 261-2847. Despite the announcement that the disappearance is now being investigated as a criminal case, the sheriff's office has refused to say whether they have identified any suspects or have any theories about Kyron's disappearance. Gates reiterated Monday that the release of any details could compromise the investigation. Kyron's family, including his mother, stepmother, stepfather and father, have made two public appearances. In the first one Friday, they pleaded for Kyron's return but would not take questions. They re-emerged Sunday at a press conference but did not release a statement. Capt. Monte Reiser of the sheriff's office has said that authorities can charge a suspect without finding Kyron. The search-and-rescue teams spent 10 days combing the two-mile radius around the school, as well as "individual areas" which Gates again declined to identify Monday. Gates said the sheriff's office will establish a "war room" in their downtown Portland building which will be dedicated to the search and investigation. http://www.columbian.com/news/2010/jun/15/search-fro-missing-ore-boy-intensifies-around-sauv/ ~~~~~~~~~~~ Seems to me that they have an idea who took Kyron. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Wyks on June 15, 2010, 03:33:58 PM This post over at IS, is rather startling to me.. Quoting in part: LCLW post #78 06-15-2010, 12:25 PM ".......... 30 years ago, Stacy Wilmoth was a second grader and a STRANGER came into her school and abducted her straight out of her school without anyone seeing her. He then beat and raped her and thought she was dead. He threw her down a steep embankment and a passing motorist found her by hearing her cries as she stood among some garbage bags there. One of the MAIN reasons this case has EVERYTHING TO DO WITH KYRON is because Stacy's abductor and assailant NEVER WAS FOUND. Not even a suspect. AND her abduction was in nearly an exact distance from Portland, Oregon only to the east. I posted about this extensively on a previous thread. Skyline Elementary is nearly the identical distance to the west as Gresham Elementary is to the East. The ODDS of two second graders being kidnapped out of their schools without a trace, that close in distance are astronomical." http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?p=14246690 (http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?p=14246690) ~~~ < insert blinking in shock monkey, here > Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: canadianmonkey on June 15, 2010, 03:39:09 PM This post over at IS, is rather startling to me.. Quoting in part: LCLW post #78 06-15-2010, 12:25 PM ".......... 30 years ago, Stacy Wilmoth was a second grader and a STRANGER came into her school and abducted her straight out of her school without anyone seeing her. He then beat and raped her and thought she was dead. He threw her down a steep embankment and a passing motorist found her by hearing her cries as she stood among some garbage bags there. One of the MAIN reasons this case has EVERYTHING TO DO WITH KYRON is because Stacy's abductor and assailant NEVER WAS FOUND. Not even a suspect. AND her abduction was in nearly an exact distance from Portland, Oregon only to the east. I posted about this extensively on a previous thread. Skyline Elementary is nearly the identical distance to the west as Gresham Elementary is to the East. The ODDS of two second graders being kidnapped out of their schools without a trace, that close in distance are astronomical." http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?p=14246690 (http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?p=14246690) ~~~ < insert blinking in shock monkey, here > wow! Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: pamomma on June 15, 2010, 03:39:23 PM Interesting fact. A person is no longer a stranger to a child once they know their name, or they have seen them before or if a relative or friend knows them. An isolated incident...That is puzzling. I know one day that statement will make sense. hmmm. I don't know..not sure what that would mean unless they have the person in custody or someone has confessed, how do they know it was isolated? What type of crime is isolated? An accident of some kind? But what kind of accident would happen at a school during a science fair? What other crimes are isolated? Only 'accident' at school I can think of atm, is if Kyron found the 'electric' project, touched it, and got good and zapped. ??? Dunno. I saw a picture of Kyron's classroom and it is at the top of a flight of stairs...could the accident have to do with those stairs? I got a bad feeling the first time I looked at that picture. Here is a link to it: http://photos.oregonlive.com/oregonian/2010/06/kyron_horman_search_attracts_1_3.html Here is a link to a bunch of pictures of Kyron, including some of their family. http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Kyron%20Horman%20%20-OR-/?start=0 this one makes me particularly sad...they just look so happy http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Kyron%20Horman%20%20-OR-/?action=view¤t=kyronhalloween2009.jpg Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Wyks on June 15, 2010, 03:41:30 PM One would think that 30 years ago, when the situation happened with that little girl, vanishing from her school without a trace.... that all the schools in Oregon would then have immediately put many precautions into place. To ensure that would never happen again to another student in any of their schools. Sad to realize they seem to have waited for it to happen again before scrambling to put tighter safety precautions into place. If I were a parent in Oregon, I be one hisssssssssed off mama!!
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Wyks on June 15, 2010, 03:45:08 PM Oh gosh Wykes how many times have we heard Le say they can't say it was an abduction or a kidnapping? Lets see there was Tori, Sandra, Summer to name 3 off the top of my head that obviously were kidnapped. To me, that doesn't carry much weight. Possibly being lured doesnt'= kidnapping, for some reason or so it seems. Yeah, that's soooooo true, TG. I gotta keep that in mind when listening to these LE pressers. Sigh. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tracygirl on June 15, 2010, 03:46:31 PM Yesterday I asked the question who in a school could come and go and not have that seem odd. I said possibly a therapist or a janitor..I will add, a substiture teacher or aide or what concers me are maintance people which would do a different type of job from a janitor. These people are sometimes contracted in so the districts do not have to pay benefits. The only down fall is they do not always have backround checks done. At my children's school they come and go and are often seen around campus. Just something to consider I suppose
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: sunshine12 on June 15, 2010, 03:47:23 PM This is so sad and my heart is breaking for little Kyron. For the rest of my life, when i hear "red eyed tree frog" I will ALWAYS think of this little guy.
I'm thinking that a man is the perpetrator and that the crime was sexually motivated. I also think it could be another parent from the school that is responsible because it would be the perfect opportunity. Perhaps it was another parent that Kyron knew and Kyron's parents knew from play dates or sports. I also agree with what Traceygirl said earlier about how these perps might get high off taking children in risky situations, and that it adds to their rush. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: canadianmonkey on June 15, 2010, 03:47:25 PM Here's a link to an article about Stacy Wilmoth. It's the actual newspaper which is a little strange.
http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1310&dat=19780428&id=lW4RAAAAIBAJ&sjid=8-EDAAAAIBAJ&pg=6815,7923623 Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: cookie on June 15, 2010, 03:49:52 PM I don't think that an accident happened at school..what reason would a person have to not report it? then they would hide his body? doesn't make sense to me but a lot of things don't in this case...I really don't know what to think ...
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 15, 2010, 03:52:57 PM This is just getting stranger and stranger, really don't know what to think about this. I lean towards a family member, and then it appears that it could be a SO. What makes LE think that Kyron is in some type of container/suitcase? Was there a tip or something I wonder?
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Wyks on June 15, 2010, 03:53:53 PM Wonder how long it will take LE/FBI to search an island that has a river and 6 lakes??? An eternity?
http://sauvieisland.org/visitor-information/qa/ (http://sauvieisland.org/visitor-information/qa/) Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 15, 2010, 04:00:52 PM Wonder how long it will take LE/FBI to search an island that has a river and 6 lakes??? An eternity? Will certainly take awhile.http://sauvieisland.org/visitor-information/qa/ (http://sauvieisland.org/visitor-information/qa/) Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Wyks on June 15, 2010, 04:03:14 PM This is just getting stranger and stranger, really don't know what to think about this. I lean towards a family member, and then it appears that it could be a SO. What makes LE think that Kyron is in some type of container/suitcase? Was there a tip or something I wonder? I hear ya!! Not sure what makes LE think anything these days, it all seems so confusing. Don't think they've said anything specific about a tip/lead on a container. They did say it was a tip/lead which led to the island search/dive. But I dunno whether to believe that's it exactly, cuz am thinking it was cell phone pings that actually led them there in the first place. Maybe LE trying to keep things 'generic', not specific? In thinking about it all, LE may be thinking 'container' because Kyron supposedly was not seen or traced by dogs actually leaving the bldg. Well, supposedly not.. from what's been reported by LE anyway. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Wyks on June 15, 2010, 04:09:05 PM Here's a link to an article about Stacy Wilmoth. It's the actual newspaper which is a little strange. http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1310&dat=19780428&id=lW4RAAAAIBAJ&sjid=8-EDAAAAIBAJ&pg=6815,7923623 Thanks for that link, canadianmonkey! Amazing that article still exists today, 1978 is such a long time ago! Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 15, 2010, 04:20:09 PM This is just getting stranger and stranger, really don't know what to think about this. I lean towards a family member, and then it appears that it could be a SO. What makes LE think that Kyron is in some type of container/suitcase? Was there a tip or something I wonder? I hear ya!! Not sure what makes LE think anything these days, it all seems so confusing. Don't think they've said anything specific about a tip/lead on a container. They did say it was a tip/lead which led to the island search/dive. But I dunno whether to believe that's it exactly, cuz am thinking it was cell phone pings that actually led them there in the first place. Maybe LE trying to keep things 'generic', not specific? In thinking about it all, LE may be thinking 'container' because Kyron supposedly was not seen or traced by dogs actually leaving the bldg. Well, supposedly not.. from what's been reported by LE anyway. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tracygirl on June 15, 2010, 04:21:25 PM This is just getting stranger and stranger, really don't know what to think about this. I lean towards a family member, and then it appears that it could be a SO. What makes LE think that Kyron is in some type of container/suitcase? Was there a tip or something I wonder? I hear ya!! Not sure what makes LE think anything these days, it all seems so confusing. Don't think they've said anything specific about a tip/lead on a container. They did say it was a tip/lead which led to the island search/dive. But I dunno whether to believe that's it exactly, cuz am thinking it was cell phone pings that actually led them there in the first place. Maybe LE trying to keep things 'generic', not specific? In thinking about it all, LE may be thinking 'container' because Kyron supposedly was not seen or traced by dogs actually leaving the bldg. Well, supposedly not.. from what's been reported by LE anyway. Blinks article states she was told the helicopter hit on something. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tracygirl on June 15, 2010, 04:31:21 PM Here's a link to an article about Stacy Wilmoth. It's the actual newspaper which is a little strange. http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1310&dat=19780428&id=lW4RAAAAIBAJ&sjid=8-EDAAAAIBAJ&pg=6815,7923623 Thanks for that link, canadianmonkey! Amazing that article still exists today, 1978 is such a long time ago! Strange. Goes to show you that it can happen unfortunately. The man was in his mid 30's according to the little girl. That would make him 65ish right now? Not too old to overcome a little boy. But I wonder if this could have been a copycat? Perhaps someone who had either been told about this crime or read it on line. hmmm interesting indeed. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 15, 2010, 04:41:29 PM This is just getting stranger and stranger, really don't know what to think about this. I lean towards a family member, and then it appears that it could be a SO. What makes LE think that Kyron is in some type of container/suitcase? Was there a tip or something I wonder? I hear ya!! Not sure what makes LE think anything these days, it all seems so confusing. Don't think they've said anything specific about a tip/lead on a container. They did say it was a tip/lead which led to the island search/dive. But I dunno whether to believe that's it exactly, cuz am thinking it was cell phone pings that actually led them there in the first place. Maybe LE trying to keep things 'generic', not specific? In thinking about it all, LE may be thinking 'container' because Kyron supposedly was not seen or traced by dogs actually leaving the bldg. Well, supposedly not.. from what's been reported by LE anyway. Blinks article states she was told the helicopter hit on something. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: MuffyBee on June 15, 2010, 05:10:13 PM http://www.kgw.com/news/local/Profiler-puzzled-by-silence-on-Kyron-case-96401969.html
(Link in article to click on to listen to interview & Video link at bottom of page) Profiler puzzled by mum police on Kyron case June 15, 2010 (http://media.kgw.com/images/horman_family+061110.jpg) PORTLAND -- A criminal profiler and former FBI agent said the investigators into the Kyron Horman disappearance may have missed an opportunity to better use the media in the last 11 days. FBI and sheriff's office investigators also may have been too optimistic in trying to control the flow of information let out to the public, Clint VanZandt said during an interview on KGW's "Live @ 7" show. He has been following the Horman case and pointed out that as a former agent, now a criminal profiler and an analyst for NBC, "I've been on both sides." VanZandt said he did not see the law enforcement and the family in this case working as well with the media as they could have. "There is the potential that they've lost the opportunity," he said, "I hope they have had a good reason to do that." Despite the grim video from Monday of searches in the water around Sauvie Island, he said everyone still wants Kyron found alive. "Everybody is hoping upon hope we see an Elizabeth Smart type of miracle from Salt Lake where we're gonna see the victim, that someone if they have taken him, that they're still holding on to him." That kind of outcome, he said, was one of the reasons that in other cases, law enforcement and family have worked more closely the media. The media was there stating "here we are, use us." "That didn't happen here," he said. In several media briefings, question after question from reporters about the investigation was rebuffed. Release of information could taint the memories of tipsters, or allow fabrications to enter recollections was the argument put forth by investigators. VanZandt invoked a scene from the 60s spy show "Get Smart" saying that investigators cannot try a "Maxwell Smart cone of silence" strategy to control the flow of information. "That's not reality," he said, "The world is not like that." Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: ScareyCarrie on June 15, 2010, 05:17:50 PM This is so sad, its too close to home for me, his mom lives in the same town i do, and i think that the media is with holding way too much info, if they know who it is bring em in, or give clues, or give hints maybe ppl will have seen something in reference to what happened if they know the person, or more details. and i think it is very strange that the family (who raises him) didnt make a public statement/plea.... there has to be a reason, did they already know it would not help? what gives.....
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Blink34 on June 15, 2010, 08:40:39 PM I feel strongly the rescue/recovery effort of this jurisdiction was nothing short of herculean.
That said, I agree with Dr. Van Zandt about the misuse of the media in this case. I even saw a letter taped to the door of the abandoned church used as the media center calling out an article specifically. That is just not done. There are many cases we all follow right now that have the same problem, I do think that media strategy will rapidly become part of PD training over the "protect the prosecution" theory. If that theory elongates the cycle for recovery, thus damaging evidence, it is useless. They need to think like marketing gurus.... How do we generate leads to help us needs to be their mantra. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Mon Quixote on June 15, 2010, 08:51:49 PM I don't really have anything to ad other than I am absolutely sick about the whole thing. I think about Kyron every time i drop off my son at school. It's a small school, 50 kids and they come and go. You need a code to get in the door but what if one day, some doesn’t shut it all the way? What if the teachers get distracted? It’s an open door policy, what if someone else’s parent, who then isn’t a stranger, gets him to go with him? All of this is going through my head and I feel so bad for this poor little guy. It’s enough that I call the school every day at 1PM tp make sure my son’s ok.
My thoughts, prayers and heart go out to Kyron’s family, who don’t have him to hold again tonight. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Lenie on June 15, 2010, 09:27:19 PM Our school district just built a new elementary school. The kids must all go in the same door each morning. If the teachers do not know the parent they ask for I.D., anytime after school starts you must go to a specific door where the secretary sits and be buzzed in. There are gates on both sides of her desk that she has to allow you to pass. We are a pretty small elementary school and a lot of parents complained about all of the security. Hopefully they will read about Kyron and think twice about it. The old school had an open door policy and scared me half to death.
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: marycat on June 15, 2010, 11:11:26 PM Maybe someone else already reported this, but I just saw where Terri Horman worked at SKYLINE. So she would be very familiar with the school, staff, etc. This is info from Linkedin:
Terri Horman’s Summary I am seeking employment with elementary level grades, but while searching, I currently volunteer my reading specialist skills at Skyline Elementary in the Portland Public School System. A certified teacher since 2000, I have taught "typicals" through college level, ADD, ADHD, ODD, OSC, YSC, Prader Willy, Down Syndrome and Medically Fragile. I recently took some World Literature classes through Portland State University and renewed my certification. Terri Horman’s Specialties: Reading Specialist Special Education OSC & YSC Terri Horman’s Experience * Teaching Assistant Portland Public Schools (Educational Institution; Education Management industry) September 2008 — Present (1 year 10 months) Assisting at Skyline Elementary School for testing. * Reading Specialist Portland Public Schools (Educational Institution; Education Management industry) September 2007 — Present (2 years 10 months) Specifically Skyline Elementary assisting in all classrooms as needed. * Elementary Teacher Portland Public Schools (Educational Institution; Education Management industry) March 2002 — December 2008 (6 years 10 months) Reading Specialist Terri Horman’s Education * Northwest Christian College BA , Education , 1998 — 2000 Activities and Societies: President of Educational Club Founder of YPO (Young Parent Organization) * Roseburg High School Additional Information Terri Horman’s Interests: Professional: World Literature, REA training, DRA training Personal: gardening and weight lifting. Terri Horman’s Groups: * Learning, Education and Training Professionals Group Learning, Education and Training Professionals Group * Everybody Wins! USA Everybody Wins! USA Terri Horman’s Honors: Award for Job Excellence from Bonneville Power Plant while taking on an assignment to create a state standard curriculum guide example for K-2 students. I was awarded this for learning some various jobs and helping out with day to day tasks while creating my guide. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: marycat on June 15, 2010, 11:15:31 PM Marycat again! Here is the link to the Linkedin article with Terri's photo of herself and her daughter:
http://www.linkedin.com/in/terrihorman Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tracygirl on June 15, 2010, 11:15:57 PM Does anyone know what Kyrons Bio mom does for a living? Is she in the military or in law enforcement?
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: New Monkey on June 15, 2010, 11:22:35 PM Here's a link to an article about Stacy Wilmoth. It's the actual newspaper which is a little strange. Wow! What a testament to that little girl. :*( Man oh man. What a survivor she is!http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1310&dat=19780428&id=lW4RAAAAIBAJ&sjid=8-EDAAAAIBAJ&pg=6815,7923623 Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: cookie on June 15, 2010, 11:30:06 PM Here's a link to an article about Stacy Wilmoth. It's the actual newspaper which is a little strange. Wow! What a testament to that little girl. :*( Man oh man. What a survivor she is!http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1310&dat=19780428&id=lW4RAAAAIBAJ&sjid=8-EDAAAAIBAJ&pg=6815,7923623 I wonder how this girl is doing now? bless her heart! I can't imagine how scared this child must have been...she is a survivor for sure! Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: MuffyBee on June 15, 2010, 11:50:52 PM http://www.examiner.com/x-32312-Amber-Alerts-Examiner~y2010m6d15-Kyron-Horman-update-Photos-shows-Kyron-without-glasses-released-to-the-public-videos-photos
Kyron Horman update: Photos shows Kyron without glasses, released to the public (videos, photos) June 15, 2010 (http://image3.examiner.com/images/blog/replicate/EXID32312/images/resized_kyron_noglassesjpg_cc969e0971b99405_large.jpg) New photo shows Kyron Horman without his glasses. Kyron vanished from his school on June 4,2010. As the search for Kyron Horman continues, investigators continue to release photos in an effort to help find the missing Portland, Oregon boy. The photo shows Kyron Horman standing by his science fair exhibit on tree frogs without his glasses. Earlier, authorities released photos of the clothes and glasses similar to the type Kyron wore the day he went missing. The hope is that the new photo will help someone identify Kyron should they see him. Though the search and rescue portion of the investigation has ended and investigators are focusing on the criminal case, this does not mean that the search has ended entirely. Authorities continue to search for Kyron, however, it is on a local basis. More than 1,300 searchers scoured areas looking for clues and hoping to find Kyron. Their searches came up empty. You may see the photo of Kyron without his glasses as well as the photos released previously, including Kyron’s clothes and glasses, in the slideshow below. (Click on link at top of this page/article then scroll down) Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: MuffyBee on June 15, 2010, 11:53:45 PM http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/classes_close_at_skyline_schoo.html
Brandon Roy comforts students at Skyline School with Kyron Horman still missing June 15, 2010 (http://media.oregonlive.com/portland_impact/photo/brandon-roy-at-skylinejpg-c06163d76dec0817_large.jpg) Brandon Roy, an All-Star guard for the Portland Trail Blazers, shares hugs at Skyline School today during an assembly. He was one of a few people giving motivational talks. Classes ended at Skyline School in Northwest Portland today on a bittersweet note without Kyron Horman, the 7-year-old who vanished from the school 11 days ago. "I'm disappointed the year is over already because I think the kids need each other right now," said Beth Smith, walking onto school grounds to pick up her 12-year-old daughter, who was Kyron's reading buddy. "She's still scared," Smith said. "Her whole security has been taken away from her." Smith said her daughter, a sixth-grader, is worried that the person who snatched Kyron could return to the school. "She said from the get-go he didn't just walk off," Smith said. "He's a quiet boy. He follows the rules. He listens. He loves his family." His disappearance has cast a pall over the elementary school like the shroud of gray clouds that hammered it today with hail. Still, teachers, staff and parent volunteers tried to end the school year on an optimistic note with a mid-day school assembly planned long before Kyron went missing the morning of June 4. "The overall message was to celebrate the entire school year while recognizing it had been a difficult last week and a half," said Matt Shelby, spokesman for Portland Public Schools, who was on hand for the last day of classes. With reporters kept off school grounds, everyone gathered for the assembly, which was opened by Principal Benjamin Keefer, who said everyone was wishing for Kyron's safe return. Nate McMillan, coach for the Portland Trail Blazers, talked about the importance of taking responsibility and staying safe over the summer, and Brandon Roy, an All-Star guard for the Blazers, gave his own motivational talk. The assembly also included a speech by the recently signed goalkeeper for the Portland Timbers soccer team, Adin Brown, and a performance by pianist Michael Allen Harrison, an artist-in-residence for Portland Public Schools. The mood was generally upbeat both before and after, with kids playing and laughing on school grounds, Shelby said. "It was good to see the students being kids," he said. But Kyron's disappearance continues to haunt the K-8 school on a day when law enforcement plumbed leads and divers were sighted suiting up on private property in Northwest Portland. Smith said she has no plans to pluck her daughter from the school that she and her two brothers graduated from. She still lives in the house nearby where she grew up. "We trust the school," Smith said. "I know Mr. Keefer is devastated and heartbroken. He knows each of these kids and their interests. We need to let him know we're behind him 100 percent." Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: MuffyBee on June 15, 2010, 11:56:00 PM http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/kyron_horman_vigil_draws_about.html
Kyron Horman vigil draws about 400 to Sunset Presbyterian Church June 15, 2010 (http://media.oregonlive.com/portland_impact/photo/imag0043jpg-92d8ec809fcdcf7f_large.jpg) Volunteer Dottie Adams and adult ministries administrator Karen Carroll hand out candles to participants in a vigil this evening at Sunset Presbyterian Church. Sunset Presbyterian Church, 14986 N.W. Cornell Road, opened its sanctuary for a public vigil of hope for missing 7-year-old Kyron Horman at 7 p.m. today. About 400 people attended. The evening included songs, prayers and writing of messages to Kyron’s family, then ended with lighting of candles. “We will also be encouraging people to continue their efforts to put Kyron’s name and face anywhere and everywhere they go,” said Rachel Hansen, one of the vigil organizers. The sanctuary was also open from 10 a.m. to 6 p.m. today for individual meditation. The second-grader vanished from Skyline School the morning of June 4. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: MuffyBee on June 15, 2010, 11:57:47 PM http://www.examiner.com/x-32312-Amber-Alerts-Examiner~y2010m6d15-Kyron-Horman-update-Dive-teams-search-Multnomah-channel-Sauvie-Island-for-missing-Oregon-boy
Kyron Horman update: Dive teams search Multnomah Channel, Sauvie Island for missing Oregon boy June 15, 2010 Kyron Horman update: Dive teams search Multnomah Channel, Sauvie Island for missing Oregon boy Kyron Horman has been missing since June 4, 2010 and though the search has winded down (1,300 searchers have been sent home) this is hardly a cold case. Investigators with the Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office continue to seek help from the public , encouraging those with tips to report them. “There may be one nugget of information out of a thousand in those tips ... but we need your help in finding it. If you have information, but aren't sure of its value, give us a call and let our investigators evaluate it and decide,” Officer Stratton said during a live press conference. The search resumed as dive teams searched the Multnomah Channel near the Sauvie Island. The search and rescue efforts have been scaled back as the criminal investigation is underway. During a recent briefing and update provided by the Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office, Captain Jason Gates described the nature of the case and the change in the investigation. “The next phase of this investigation will include a secondary canvassing of the neighborhood and school, as well as transitioning out of the command post on Skyline Road.” Authorities have continued to release information to the public including photos of Kyron Horman’s clothing and glasses similar to those worn when he disappeared. If you have any information, tips or leads you are urged to contact the Multnomah County Sheriff’s tip line. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: MuffyBee on June 16, 2010, 12:00:53 AM http://kezi.com/news/local/177858
Why No AMBER Alert? June 15, 2010 (http://kezi.com/files/images/2010/06/15/amber-alert.preview.jpg) PORTLAND, Ore. -- Many of you have been wondering why an AMBER alert wasn't issued in the hours after Kyron Horman was first reported missing. At that point, Kyron's disappearance didn't meet the activation criteria defined by the U.S. Department of Justice, including the reasonable belief that an abduction has occurred or the child is in imminent danger. Those criteria were not originally met in Kyron's case. The department's guidelines include: -Confirmation that a child was abducted -There is a risk of injury or death -There is sufficient information for the public to receive -The child in question is 17-years-old or younger Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: marycat on June 16, 2010, 01:01:27 AM Tracygirl,
I haven't seen anything on the bio mother's occupation so far. She has another son, Quinn McCullough who is older than Kyron, but I don't know how much older. I see there is a Quinn MCCullough in the area who is a freshman in HS, but don't know if they are the same person. He has a facebook page. Desiree was born Desiree Davidson, then married ? McCullough, Kaine Horman and Tony Young. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: marycat on June 16, 2010, 01:14:42 AM Additional Info on Kyron's older brother I just found on a family history site:
http://www.dakotadirksens.com/books/AbrahamToews_AgFalk_400317.pdf Gregory James McCullough, born 3 May 1969 married 15 Oct 1993 , Medford, OR to Desiree Davidson, born 29 Apr 1972 Quinnlan Kincaid McCullough, born 3 Oct 1994 Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: pamomma on June 16, 2010, 08:30:37 AM http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/classes_close_at_skyline_schoo.html Brandon Roy comforts students at Skyline School with Kyron Horman still missing June 15, 2010 (http://media.oregonlive.com/portland_impact/photo/brandon-roy-at-skylinejpg-c06163d76dec0817_large.jpg) Brandon Roy, an All-Star guard for the Portland Trail Blazers, shares hugs at Skyline School today during an assembly. He was one of a few people giving motivational talks. Classes ended at Skyline School in Northwest Portland today on a bittersweet note without Kyron Horman, the 7-year-old who vanished from the school 11 days ago. "I'm disappointed the year is over already because I think the kids need each other right now," said Beth Smith, walking onto school grounds to pick up her 12-year-old daughter, who was Kyron's reading buddy. "She's still scared," Smith said. "Her whole security has been taken away from her." Smith said her daughter, a sixth-grader, is worried that the person who snatched Kyron could return to the school. "She said from the get-go he didn't just walk off," Smith said. "He's a quiet boy. He follows the rules. He listens. He loves his family." His disappearance has cast a pall over the elementary school like the shroud of gray clouds that hammered it today with hail. Still, teachers, staff and parent volunteers tried to end the school year on an optimistic note with a mid-day school assembly planned long before Kyron went missing the morning of June 4. "The overall message was to celebrate the entire school year while recognizing it had been a difficult last week and a half," said Matt Shelby, spokesman for Portland Public Schools, who was on hand for the last day of classes. With reporters kept off school grounds, everyone gathered for the assembly, which was opened by Principal Benjamin Keefer, who said everyone was wishing for Kyron's safe return. Nate McMillan, coach for the Portland Trail Blazers, talked about the importance of taking responsibility and staying safe over the summer, and Brandon Roy, an All-Star guard for the Blazers, gave his own motivational talk. The assembly also included a speech by the recently signed goalkeeper for the Portland Timbers soccer team, Adin Brown, and a performance by pianist Michael Allen Harrison, an artist-in-residence for Portland Public Schools. The mood was generally upbeat both before and after, with kids playing and laughing on school grounds, Shelby said. "It was good to see the students being kids," he said. But Kyron's disappearance continues to haunt the K-8 school on a day when law enforcement plumbed leads and divers were sighted suiting up on private property in Northwest Portland. Smith said she has no plans to pluck her daughter from the school that she and her two brothers graduated from. She still lives in the house nearby where she grew up. "We trust the school," Smith said. "I know Mr. Keefer is devastated and heartbroken. He knows each of these kids and their interests. We need to let him know we're behind him 100 percent." I hope this assembly wasn't open to the public...I hope the teachers did an actual head count before during and after this assembly....I understand the need to end the year on a high note and that this was planned well before Kyron went missing, but I think as a parent, the thought of another large assembly like this would make me completely sick to my stomach. I hope the school has better methods in place now to keep track of and monitor the students. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: pamomma on June 16, 2010, 08:37:29 AM Nice work Marycat...I'd say you are right on the head. A search of Facebook brought up 13 people under "Quinn McCullough" and only one had a picture of Kyron as their profile picture...and his page is completely set to private. The others all had home towns listed or ages that didn't match up.
http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#!/profile.php?id=100000439598968&ref=search Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: klaasend on June 16, 2010, 09:40:12 AM http://www.oregonlive.com/news/index.ssf/2010/06/st_helens_police_arrest_man_ac.html
St. Helens police arrest man accused of trying to kidnap boy Published: Wednesday, June 09, 2010, 6:52 PM Updated: Wednesday, June 09, 2010, 7:05 PM Aimee Green, The Oregonian Aimee Green, The Oregonian St. Helens police have arrested a 36-year-old homeless sex offender who they believe tried to abduct a fifth-grade boy Tuesday. Police chief Steve Salle said his investigators started talking Wednesday to the FBI to determine if this case is connected to the disappearance of 7-year-old Kyron Horman from Skyline School last Friday. "There's nothing that says that it's connected, but there's nothing to say that it isn't," Salle said, adding that attempted child abductions in his city are "not common at all." The St. Helens boy was walking home from Lewis & Clark Elementary School when a man walking behind him grabbed him. The boy turned around, slapped the man's hands and ran home. While running, he looked back in time to see the man walk down Columbia Boulevard, cross at Seventh Street, and disappear out of sight. The boy described the man to police. One of the boy's neighbors, who was driving by shortly before the attempted abduction, also offered a description of the man, Salle said. The neighbor had seen the man walking behind the boy, apparently shortly before the incident. Police asked for the public's help in finding the man, and a short while later, arrested Tony Phipps after a city public works supervisor spotted him. Phipps was booked in Columbia County Jail under suspicion of attempted kidnapping, harassment and violating his post-prison supervision. His criminal history includes convictions for third-degree sodomy in 1998, contributing to the sexual delinquency of a minor in 2000 and failing to register as a sex offender in 2003, 2006 and 2008. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: pamomma on June 16, 2010, 09:56:42 AM http://www.oregonlive.com/news/index.ssf/2010/06/st_helens_police_arrest_man_ac.html St. Helens police arrest man accused of trying to kidnap boy Published: Wednesday, June 09, 2010, 6:52 PM Updated: Wednesday, June 09, 2010, 7:05 PM Aimee Green, The Oregonian Aimee Green, The Oregonian St. Helens police have arrested a 36-year-old homeless sex offender who they believe tried to abduct a fifth-grade boy Tuesday. Police chief Steve Salle said his investigators started talking Wednesday to the FBI to determine if this case is connected to the disappearance of 7-year-old Kyron Horman from Skyline School last Friday. "There's nothing that says that it's connected, but there's nothing to say that it isn't," Salle said, adding that attempted child abductions in his city are "not common at all." The St. Helens boy was walking home from Lewis & Clark Elementary School when a man walking behind him grabbed him. The boy turned around, slapped the man's hands and ran home. While running, he looked back in time to see the man walk down Columbia Boulevard, cross at Seventh Street, and disappear out of sight. The boy described the man to police. One of the boy's neighbors, who was driving by shortly before the attempted abduction, also offered a description of the man, Salle said. The neighbor had seen the man walking behind the boy, apparently shortly before the incident. Police asked for the public's help in finding the man, and a short while later, arrested Tony Phipps after a city public works supervisor spotted him. Phipps was booked in Columbia County Jail under suspicion of attempted kidnapping, harassment and violating his post-prison supervision. His criminal history includes convictions for third-degree sodomy in 1998, contributing to the sexual delinquency of a minor in 2000 and failing to register as a sex offender in 2003, 2006 and 2008. I pray this man isn't the one responsible for Kyron's disappearance...the thought of that adorable, happy, precious child spending his last moments with a monster like that makes me sick to my stomach and brings tears to my eyes. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: jill on June 16, 2010, 11:07:22 AM current inmate listing, Columbia County jail:
http://www.co.columbia.or.us/sheriff/inmates/ICUD0111.HTM (http://www.co.columbia.or.us/sheriff/inmates/ICUP0112.JPG) Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: jill on June 16, 2010, 11:08:01 AM here's the sheriff website:
http://www.co.columbia.or.us/sheriff/ Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: jill on June 16, 2010, 11:11:37 AM "...The Columbia County District Attorney's Office reviewed the police reports, and determined it doesn't have the evidence to prosecute Phipps for attempted kidnapping, let alone any other felony, said deputy district attorney John Berg. He said prosecutors would have to prove that Phipps intended to kidnap the boy. And although Berg said he couldn't go into details, evidence released by police indicates the man only grabbed at Cameron. He didn't, for example, drag the boy -- an act that would bolster an attempted kidnapping charge. ..."
June 10, 2010 http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/mother_of_st_helens_boy_who_fo.html Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: pamomma on June 16, 2010, 11:16:20 AM "...The Columbia County District Attorney's Office reviewed the police reports, and determined it doesn't have the evidence to prosecute Phipps for attempted kidnapping, let alone any other felony, said deputy district attorney John Berg. He said prosecutors would have to prove that Phipps intended to kidnap the boy. And although Berg said he couldn't go into details, evidence released by police indicates the man only grabbed at Cameron. He didn't, for example, drag the boy -- an act that would bolster an attempted kidnapping charge. ..." June 10, 2010 http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/mother_of_st_helens_boy_who_fo.html That is complete crap! So the poor boy should have allowed himself to be dragged before running for help! It's like "attempted murder" vs. "murder"...the only reason it's attempted is b/c the person lived/got away...not b/c the murder or kidnapper didn't intent to carry out the deed! **BANGS HEAD** Blink did comment on this guy as Kyron's potential kidnapper...page 2 of the comments, #7. http://blinkoncrime.com/2010/06/15/kyron-horman-missing-and-endangered-john-walsh-on-today-show-media-will-solve-this-case/ Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: jill on June 16, 2010, 11:28:09 AM "...The Columbia County District Attorney's Office reviewed the police reports, and determined it doesn't have the evidence to prosecute Phipps for attempted kidnapping, let alone any other felony, said deputy district attorney John Berg. He said prosecutors would have to prove that Phipps intended to kidnap the boy. And although Berg said he couldn't go into details, evidence released by police indicates the man only grabbed at Cameron. He didn't, for example, drag the boy -- an act that would bolster an attempted kidnapping charge. ..." June 10, 2010 http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/mother_of_st_helens_boy_who_fo.html That is complete crap! So the poor boy should have allowed himself to be dragged before running for help! It's like "attempted murder" vs. "murder"...the only reason it's attempted is b/c the person lived/got away...not b/c the murder or kidnapper didn't intent to carry out the deed! **BANGS HEAD** Blink did comment on this guy as Kyron's potential kidnapper...page 2 of the comments, #7. http://blinkoncrime.com/2010/06/15/kyron-horman-missing-and-endangered-john-walsh-on-today-show-media-will-solve-this-case/ yes, grabbing should be considered assault - but it looks as if there is zero evidence. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Patricia Mocha Latte on June 16, 2010, 11:42:51 AM I have been following this case as much as possible also.
It is very disturbing to think that a Child could be taken from school property and that no one had suspected anything wrong. I wondered if it were possible that maybe perhaps Kyron had gone back to the science fair area after his SM had left? I am wondering also who was in the area of where the science fair had been staged at that time exactly? If Kyron had gone back and say he were speaking to someone about his project would there have been any school employee who might have either been there or seen him there speaking to another person? I wonder also if all of the school bus drivers have been questioned? Had any of the school bus drivers left their buses while at the school? Another thing is were there any type of altercation between the SM and anyone else that had occured at any time that morning? I read this somewhere and I am not sure what it eludes to exactly but does anyone know what an old Whitaker home is supposed to be? Is this a specific home or specific type of home in this area? tia Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: jill on June 16, 2010, 11:50:13 AM I've been googling everyday - but haven't read anything that shows any progress at all in locating Kryon.
This case reminds me of the Annie Le case, at Yale. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Wyks on June 16, 2010, 01:51:47 PM marycat ~ thanks for the hard work, and info. :)
That must be Kyron's second older bro. One older bro from his biomom and one from his stepmom. Curious as to why his having two older bros has been kept so quiet? The seeming secrecy about it is what caused me to pay attention. Had they just said from the beginning that Kyron has two older brothers and a younger sister, when describing his family, I would have gone, oh cool. How old and where were they, and then let that be that. Wonder if they even realize that to keep such a thing so very quiet is to .. in and of itself .. draw attention to that? <sheesh, shakes head> Seems that at least some of the time, Kyron got along with his two older bros. Dancing around in the livingroom sounds very typical. According to the 'is it a rumor' discussion over at Kyron's facebook, there's a woman posting who knows the family, lives about a mile from Kyron's school, etc. She seems to be posting there to help straighten out which are rumors, which are not, kind of thing. Anyway.. according to her (so take this with a grain of salt, not 'confirmed' by anyone, how can we lest a parent says it on video I guess).... the 16 yr old brother tends to be a handful, (not 'bad' perse), giving Kyron's stepmom a difficult time, (and what typical 16 yr old doesn't, gah!! lol). Evidently, due to his 'lack of respect for her', stepmom sent her 16 yr old to live with gma & gpa. This was about two weeks prior to Kyron having gone missing. Have seen this talked about in other areas on the net, but not directly from a person who supposedly knows the family. And in their posts, the 16 yr old was sent to gma's about two months prior. I tend to believe the one posting in the facebook, as to the timing. Small area of town, knows the family, and etc. Also mentioned by this person in facebook is that (despite what has been reported in the media), the 16 yr old at a scout campout that weekend could indeed have been reached with the news of Kyron's gone missing, long before he was (after the campout).... That it was a choice the stepmom made not to contact him with the news earlier on. Take that info for what it's worth as well. I can understand the reasoning behind several different ways of handling this. As for "rumors"... well.. my thinking is this. Keep an open mind, realizing that it may be rumors, might not be. Only time will tell. In a lot of these cases, what we hear floating around turns out later on to have been very very true........ just not talked about so much, if at all, by the main players in a case. Questions (and other monkeys have asked some of these as well): *Whose choice was it to send the 16 yr old to gma's? Actually the stepmom? Or someone else against stepmom's wishes? *Why send the 16 yr old to gma's so soon before the school year ends? Why not wait, since it was only a few more weeks? *Was there perhaps one or more events/attitudes etc that necessitated an immediate removal? *If so, who was this between, just the stepmom and 16 yr old, or did it include either Kyron/stepdad/stepsister as well? *How close was Kyron to the 16 yr old bro? *How did the move affect Kyron? *Did he understand the need, was he happy/sad/mad about the decision? *Did anything regarding his having gone missing, have to do with what happened prior with the 16 yr old? *Could Kyron's having gone missing been a retaliation of sorts (by someone, either in the immediate family or not) for the decision to move out the 16 yr old? (as in.... you don't want one son living there you don't get to have the other either.. kind of thing). *How close was Kyron to his other bro, from his biomom? *Why haven't we heard one teensy thing from or about this young man? *How did Kyron feel about his staying with biodad since birth, while another older bro evidently got to stay with biomom? Any jealousy, hurt feelings between any of them re that? *If so... enough to cause Kyron to suddenly up and go missing? *If they were ALL such a "close, tight-knit family" (as has been reported in the news)... where are pics of them together as this loving family? laffing, playing, vacays, birthdays, cookouts, holidays, and etc.? Have seen one of Kyron and bro in a pile of leaves, that looked fun. Where are the pics of Kyron with anyone with their arm/s around him, loving him, joking and playing around?........?????????? And so on and so on.... Perhaps none of this has anything to do with Kyron's having gone missing. And yet... delving deeply enough for the answers, there might be a link up somewhere, somehow. Not unheard of!! Sadly. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 16, 2010, 01:59:25 PM Excellent questions Wyks, and also thank-you everyone for the updates. I'm probably wrong, but I just don't think this was some random SO, I'm tending to keep this in the family, either way it is horrible and I pray they find Kyron very soon.
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tracygirl on June 16, 2010, 02:03:06 PM I am hoping they have a reason they are not holding this man. I wonder if they are following him? He commited an assult and given he is a SO? Would they risk that?
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 16, 2010, 02:04:41 PM I am hoping they have a reason they are not holding this man. I wonder if they are following him? He commited an assult and given he is a SO? Would they risk that? It doesn't make much sense at all to me.Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: jill on June 16, 2010, 02:12:22 PM I am hoping they have a reason they are not holding this man. I wonder if they are following him? He commited an assult and given he is a SO? Would they risk that? and another thing: he is not on the sex offender registry. Not at all, that I've found. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Itaryl Moosee on June 16, 2010, 02:33:23 PM Quite good and fair questions there, wyks.
I have seen pictures of the bio-father hugging and holding Kyron, and of the brother and him playing, laughing. None of the SM hugging or holding him. Then again, someone had to hold the camera. Maybe there are some, but I haven't seen any. -------- Two cents about some of what people are saying. 1. IF Kyron got out of the school and was attacked by an animal, as some people have suggested, there would be evidence on the place where the attack occurred. Even with the rain and hail of the past week, an attack by a wild animal would tear clothes and remove shoes or socks, and leave tissue and hair that can be recognizable for a long time. None of that (as far as we know) has been found. 2. About the science fair. People are questioning what car was used to bring the science fair project to school on Friday morning at 8:00am. We have read statements in different media about Kyron placing his things on his seat and showing his mom his project on display. The project was already assembled that morning, meaning that it was put together some other day prior to that early morning viewing. So, the car driven that morning may not have mattered much about being the right size to carry the science project, because it was already at school. 3. About police searching the house across the Horman's. It was stated in many news channels that homes in the area of interest around the school were to be searched. If the owners gave permission, it was fair game. So, no biggy. 4. About the family turmoil, I would also want to know about the two brothers, since they are old enough to make sense and remember things. I think they can be of much help in clearing the family situations regarding both bios and steps. If I remember correctly, TH got together with KH right about when Kyron was born... That right there is a sign that not all has been well. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: pamomma on June 16, 2010, 03:33:22 PM Here is a link to a bunch of pictures of Kyron, including some of their family. http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Kyron%20Horman%20%20-OR-/?start=0 this one makes me particularly sad...they just look so happy http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Kyron%20Horman%20%20-OR-/?action=view¤t=kyronhalloween2009.jpg if you click on the first link and go to pages 5 & 6, there are some family photos...all of Kyron with Dad, Stepmom,Little sister and sometimes big brother. If we are going to judge Stepmom for not being in enough pics with Kyron...then is anyone going to ask where the pictures are of him with his Birth mother?? Because I haven't seen 1 single picture of them together. Not trying to sound critical of anyone...but we have all been judging SM for this and that...what about his Birth mother? Why wasn't she at the science fair, or the talent show, where are the loving pictures of her with Kyron? I read an article saying Dad and SM drove him to her house for visits...why couldn't she come to him? I'm not suggesting she is responsible for his disappearance...I'm just pointing out that she does not appear to be very involved with Kyron, even less than his stepmother. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: JessStar on June 16, 2010, 03:34:15 PM I am hoping they have a reason they are not holding this man. I wonder if they are following him? He commited an assult and given he is a SO? Would they risk that? It doesn't make much sense at all to me.Hello everyone. This is a great example of how the law has been slow to adapt to changing situations. In just about every state (which the possible exception of Louisiana) crimes have either been codified versions of old English common law crimes or a codified version of the Model Penal Code. The problem is, neither one of those, in my opinion, adequately address crimes like this or the one Phipps "attempted." Remember, an "attempt" to commit a crime is an independent crime. If you attempt to commit a kidnapping, you committed a crime. If the "attempt" succeeds, you have a second crime (the completed kidnapping). However, under our law, the "attempt" crime then merges into the "target" crime. Every crime has a series of elements that must be proven beyond a reasonable doubt. For kidnapping, the prosecution would have to prove all of the following elements: 163.215 Definitions for ORS 163.215 to 163.257. As used in ORS 163.215 to 163.257, unless the context requires otherwise: (1) “Without consent” means that the taking or confinement is accomplished by force, threat or deception, or, in the case of a person under 16 years of age or who is otherwise incapable of giving consent, that the taking or confinement is accomplished without the consent of the lawful custodian of the person. (2) “Lawful custodian” means a parent, guardian or other person responsible by authority of law for the care, custody or control of another. (3) “Relative” means a parent, ancestor, brother, sister, uncle or aunt. [1971 c.743 §97] 163.225 Kidnapping in the second degree. (1) A person commits the crime of kidnapping in the second degree if, with intent to interfere substantially with another’s personal liberty, and without consent or legal authority, the person: (a) Takes the person from one place to another; or (b) Secretly confines the person in a place where the person is not likely to be found. (2) It is a defense to a prosecution under subsection (1) of this section if: (a) The person taken or confined is under 16 years of age; (b) The defendant is a relative of that person; and (c) The sole purpose of the person is to assume control of that person. (3) Kidnapping in the second degree is a Class B felony. [1971 c.743 §98; 2005 c.22 §111] 163.230 [Repealed by 1971 c.743 §432] 163.235 Kidnapping in the first degree. (1) A person commits the crime of kidnapping in the first degree if the person violates ORS 163.225 with any of the following purposes: (a) To compel any person to pay or deliver money or property as ransom; (b) To hold the victim as a shield or hostage; (c) To cause physical injury to the victim; (d) To terrorize the victim or another person; or (e) To further the commission or attempted commission of any of the following crimes against the victim: (A) Rape in the first degree, as defined in ORS 163.375 (1)(b); (B) Sodomy in the first degree, as defined in ORS 163.405 (1)(b); or (C) Unlawful sexual penetration in the first degree, as defined in ORS 163.411 (1)(b). (2) Kidnapping in the first degree is a Class A felony. [1971 c.743 §99; 2005 c.22 §112; 2009 c.660 §43] So, as you can see, it takes a lot more under the law to obtain a conviction for attempted kidnapping than most people realize. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: JessStar on June 16, 2010, 03:39:45 PM As a quick example (that post was getting a little long), one element the prosecution would have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt is that when Phipps tried to grab the boy, at that very moment he intended to "interfere substantially with another’s personal liberty." Given what we know, there's no way that can be proven "beyond a reasonable doubt." Indeed, Phipps would say he just intended to stop the boy to tell him he shouldn't be walking home alone. Yes, I'm being tongue in cheek, but for what it's worth, any defense attorney worth his/her weight in salt could win that case.
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tracygirl on June 16, 2010, 03:49:29 PM Jess what are your thoughts about an assult charge or stalking? The person in he car states they saw this man walking behind this boy, the boy states he reached out and tried to grab him. The child was not asking to be touched or reached out to and given the child ran makes it understood the child believed he was in danger. If this man is a SO with a history of assult on children, then wouldn't this act put him in violation?
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Itaryl Moosee on June 16, 2010, 04:21:29 PM Pamomma, you bring some valid points.
However, since the father, step-father, or bio-mom haven't posted any pictures online (that we know of), and the step-mom did, we can only comment and judge on what she has posted. When she uploaded the pictures to the public domain, she sorta opened herself to the inquiries. IMO ------ I wish to think that Kyron was taken by someone who will treat him right, and that the police eventually will figure out where he is and who has him, and he will be rescued. But, the person who "took" him seems to have come and gone inside of a school without calling attention to him/herself... obviously with no good intentions in mind. As I try to see these two families as the victims of a very serious crime, I also have to keep an objective mind and think only on the child and question EVERYONE who could have had access to the boy right before and when he went missing. The perpetrator drove to the school in a vehicle, at some point he/she had a close contact with the child, and at another point he/she drove off from the school grounds with the child inside the vehicle. The perpetrator did all that without calling the attention of anyone in the busy school that morning. The unconfirmed rumors (the white truck, the appointment, the substitute, the electrical project, the footprint in Sauvie Island, etc...) are just that, rumors. But, as we have seen in similar cases in the past, those rumors most times tend to be true when all is said and done. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: sunshine12 on June 16, 2010, 04:23:48 PM Did Kyron’s step mother usually bring him to school everyday, or was it only June 4th that she drove him to school because of the science fair?
the reason I’m asking this is because I’m wondering if someone could have followed them and knew their habits of bringing Kyron to school everyday. I also think its important to note that the police are also looking for any surveillance videos from 6/3-6/4. maybe this perpetrator was practicing, mapping out how long it would take for him to get out of the immediate area with Kyron. also, what if its a family member or family friend who doesn’t live in the immediate area, but they are trying to figure out if they can place this person in the area in the day before Kyron disappeared. or, maybe they want the surveillance from june 3rd to try to poke a hole in a poi’s alibi, proving that they were in the area when they are saying they aren’t.. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Deenie on June 16, 2010, 04:27:40 PM Trying to keep up. I have been checking the news as frequent as I am able -for Kyron.
TracyGirl, Newfie, Darla.. anyone else I missed - Thank you for your replies to my situation within the public schools. I am with you "All" for your children and grandchildren, in support. I still find something is not being said within the School itself. Liability is what it is and with the economy the way it is. With schools closing all over the US ..without notice. The schools being consolidated into one area - even if the children have to be bussed across town. The Teacher's are the one's who are being cut off and are left with nothing. Do we know if there has been any talks of " Consolidating" within Kyron's area? That no teacher at any school within the district would want to make waves - for fear of being unemployed. Especially the ones that are short years away from tenure. Throwing thoughts out. This Perp who grabbed this other boy, who is a registered SO. I read he is homeless. Did he at one time have to report to rehab/counseling within his probation. ( From his first offense) That there is a person " SO Probation Officer" that he had to meet with. That would understand his MO. That this officer would be able to offer " LE / FBI " inner knowledge of how his brain doesn't work. That possibly this guy was evaluated prior by a professional. Its all so disturbing. All of it. Kyron I am thinking of You. We All Are. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Deenie on June 16, 2010, 04:34:20 PM One more mention that goes along with the Monkey's post - back ( about Kyron's Step Mom working within the public schools)
Who took all the photo's of Kyron at School. That are posted all over the news. Seems like the majority of Kyron's ( up to date ) photo's are all within a school setting and or field trip/educational setting. Not at home or ..just snapped during every day life. Slide show - Photos of Kyron http://www.cbsnews.com/2300-504083_162-10003676-7.html?tag=page Again just throwing out thoughts. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: MadMom on June 16, 2010, 05:50:16 PM Does anyone associated with the school know if there WAS an electrical project on display at the science fair?
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: klaasend on June 16, 2010, 06:36:45 PM http://www.katu.com/news/local/96504899.html
Can't be related can it? Who else is missing in this area? Fisherman finds human jaw bone on McKenzie River island Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 16, 2010, 06:50:41 PM http://www.katu.com/news/local/96504899.html Oh no, thank-you.Can't be related can it? Who else is missing in this area? Fisherman finds human jaw bone on McKenzie River island Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tracygirl on June 16, 2010, 07:30:12 PM Jess my post came up after your 2nd post was being typed. In other words, I commented prior to your being done typing!
So here is my next set of questions. This man is a sex offender who I would hope is not supposed to tell a child anything, especially by reaching out and touching them first, right? The child is a witness to this crime, does his voice not count? This is not making me feel any better Jess. Stories like this makes me feel even more strongly SO's need to stay in jail for life. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Wyks on June 16, 2010, 07:33:02 PM Here is a link to a bunch of pictures of Kyron, including some of their family. http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Kyron%20Horman%20%20-OR-/?start=0 this one makes me particularly sad...they just look so happy http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Kyron%20Horman%20%20-OR-/?action=view¤t=kyronhalloween2009.jpg if you click on the first link and go to pages 5 & 6, there are some family photos...all of Kyron with Dad, Stepmom,Little sister and sometimes big brother. If we are going to judge Stepmom for not being in enough pics with Kyron...then is anyone going to ask where the pictures are of him with his Birth mother?? Because I haven't seen 1 single picture of them together. Not trying to sound critical of anyone...but we have all been judging SM for this and that...what about his Birth mother? Why wasn't she at the science fair, or the talent show, where are the loving pictures of her with Kyron? I read an article saying Dad and SM drove him to her house for visits...why couldn't she come to him? I'm not suggesting she is responsible for his disappearance...I'm just pointing out that she does not appear to be very involved with Kyron, even less than his stepmother. Thanks for those links, pamomma, will check them out. You have good questions regarding the biomom. I don't know the answers to those either, wish we did. I don't have a fixation on any one person over another, and don't think many others in here do either. Some of us haven't had a chance to post each and every theory yet. (Example, I have many questions about the principal. Just haven't gone there yet). Some we may still be gathering info on, waiting for further info about, etc. If and when there's an angle you want discussed, that hasn't been discussed yet, then just toss it into the mix, ask away. Am thinking that we're very early on into this case, 1st thread, page 24 last I looked. Am fairly certain that by the 24th thread, page 24, someone somewhere will have mentioned every single possible person and viewpoint in this case that there is to discuss. And even then, someone will likely come along and say, 'Heyyyyy what about ..... ??' And many of us will go yeah, what about that!! LOL Know what I mean? :) Whenever anyone begins a sentence with... "Not trying to sound critical of anyone...but ...... " Then honestly, very often whatever follows is gonna be exactly that. Even with good intentions. Just saying... Although 'some' of us have been questioning this and that in this case, we have not *all* been doing so. Some have sat quietly by and just read. Some have been offering updates/links/pics/prayers/support/answers as possible. Some have offered their 'viewpoints' without questions. Not *all* have been questioning or even IMO judging. Asking questions about something or someone.. isn't necessarily the same as 'judging' whatever/whoever that is. There's a difference. IMO. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Wyks on June 16, 2010, 08:30:38 PM Did Kyron’s step mother usually bring him to school everyday, or was it only June 4th that she drove him to school because of the science fair? the reason I’m asking this is because I’m wondering if someone could have followed them and knew their habits of bringing Kyron to school everyday. I also think its important to note that the police are also looking for any surveillance videos from 6/3-6/4. maybe this perpetrator was practicing, mapping out how long it would take for him to get out of the immediate area with Kyron. also, what if its a family member or family friend who doesn’t live in the immediate area, but they are trying to figure out if they can place this person in the area in the day before Kyron disappeared. or, maybe they want the surveillance from june 3rd to try to poke a hole in a poi’s alibi, proving that they were in the area when they are saying they aren’t.. Good points, Sunshine! From what I recall, Kyron typically rode the bus to and from school. At first, I thought stepmom gave Kyron a ride to school on Friday (rather than him ride the bus there) because they brought his project to set up. But it does seem that the projects were brought on an earlier day, then set up on the 3rd. Seems the stepmom likely gave him a ride whichever day he actually brought the project to school too, or she brought the project another time in the day. If she brought it on the 3rd, might be another reason they want video from both the 3rd and 4th. To see if anyone was caught on video watching them or whatever, yeah. Ya know, I was also wondering where in the school the science projects were set up. Could be the gym I suppose, but from the pic of Kyron, it looks like a classroom, not the gym. The projects are on individual desks with a chair in front of each one. Which suggest more than one classroom. Since the students were in class the day before as well as that day after 10a, am guessing that the projects were set up during/after school on the 3rd. ?? Is it possible they have several empty classrooms where they could have set all this up without needing that space for anything else? And if it's true that there are sev empty classrooms... how many were left totally empty even with the science fair and regular classes in full swing? As in... one that Kyron could have passed by (on his way to/from the supposed electric project) and gotten pulled into, with no one seeing him? I think it will be great if someone has video from the 3rd and the 4th, so they can compare, or whatever it is they are doing. Might be looking for someone bringing in a large container type thing on the 3rd, who then leaves with that, on the 4th. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tracygirl on June 16, 2010, 09:42:23 PM I don't know why but I thought the science fair was in the library? I don't know forsure obviously
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Lenie on June 16, 2010, 10:33:47 PM Saw this on Kyron's site on facebook. Haven't seen the video yet but several people are commenting on it.
"I found this video interesting on Koin tv. They have a few others, this one mentions the "mystery white truck" that people have seen around the house the day on or after (??) Kyron went missing. Now it's being towed away to a shop? Also one of the Koin videos mentioned there was undercover agents at the vigil last night, and that of course they won... See More't say what they saw or discovered. not sure if this link will work or not: http://www.koinlocal6.com/content/mediacenter/default.aspx?videoId=16810@koin.web.entriq.net&navCatId=156 The video is 3rd down on the list PRAYER VIGIL FOR HOPE and is about 7:49 long. I just found it interesting myself" Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: MuffyBee on June 16, 2010, 11:00:17 PM http://abcnews.go.com/US/Broadcast/kyron-horman-plea-missing-endangered-billboard-campaign/story?id=10936101
Kyron Horman Plea: 'Missing Endangered' Billboard Campaign Police Looking for 'That One Tip That Will Bring Kyron Home' June 16, 2010 (http://a.abcnews.com/images/US/ht_kyron_horman_billboard_100616_mn.jpg) A billboard showing information on missing child Kyron Horman is shown. (Courtesy Multnomah Co. Sheriff's Office) Investigators renewed their call for the public's help in their search for missing boy Kyron Horman, the 7-year-old who disappeared from his elementary school on June 4. Thirty large billboards with Kyron's smiling, bespectacled face, the words "Endangered Missing," and a phone number to call have started popping up throughout the region, written in English, Spanish and Russian. The billboards were donated by Clear Channel "to help get the message out to bring Kyron home," according to the Multnomah County Sheriff's Office. "We're still waiting for that one tip. That one tip that will bring Kyron home," Multnomah County Sheriff's Office spokeswoman Lt. Mary Lindstrand said. Lindstrand characterized the investigation as "moving forward" but declined to provide further details. Tips from the public continue to come in on "a consistent basis" she said, but didn't provide an exact number. One tip arrived in the mail written on a postcard, Lindstrand said. Police said dive teams continued searching bodies of water near where Kyron disappeared. Investigators including members of the sheriff's major crimes team and the FBI are canvassing a four mile radius around Kyron's school and re-interviewing parents, students and school employees. Lindstrand said sheriff's officials are in regular contact with Kyron's parents, who have declined interviews. "They said, 'We don't want our faces out there. We want Kyron's face out there,'" she said. Police declared the case a criminal investigation Sunday and since Monday have refused to grant any interviews or provide regular updates. Lindstrand held a brief press conference today outside a sheriff's building because she said investigators want to keep the public interested in the case. Lindstrand also said the television show "America's Most Wanted" is currently preparing a story on Kyron's case. Kyron disappeared on the morning of June 4, after he and his stepmother Terri Horman attended a school science fair where Kyron had displayed a project on red tree frogs. His stepmother said she last saw Kyron walking down a hallway toward his classroom. When Kyron didn't come home on the bus that Friday afternoon, his parents called the school, which in turn called 911, launching what Gates said could be the largest search operation in Oregon history. Approximately 1,300 searchers in the field were joined by 213 additional investigators from 42 different agencies from California, Oregon and Washington. A National Guard helicopter also joined in the search. Many of the search teams have packed up and headed home, although a small number of local teams will be on call in case there are any new leads or developments. Kyron's family has only appeared twice in public since he disappeared. On Friday, his stepfather made an emotional plea for his return. "You mean everything to us," said his stepfather Tony Young. "And until you come home this family's not complete. Please Kyron, keep up the hope." For many people here, the distinction between a missing persons case and a criminal one is irrelevant since Kyron is still nowhere to be found. "It has not changed our focus," family friend Becky Owens said. "Our focus has been and will continue to be finding Kyron. So it doesn't change what we're doing, getting his face out to as many people as possible." Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: MuffyBee on June 16, 2010, 11:02:43 PM http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/tips_come_from_far_away_in_kyr.html
Tips come from far away in Kyron Horman search, but investigators still focus on Multnomah County June 16, 2010 As the search for Kyron Horman approaches the two-week mark, investigators are working to spread more information about the missing 7-year-old. The Multnomah County Sheriff's Office has released more photos of the second-grader, including what he would look like without his glasses. "It's just another view of Kyron if someone sees him," said Multnomah County Sheriff's Office spokeswoman Lt. Mary Lindstrand. Thirty billboards with Kyron's picture and information now dot the metro area -- 10 in English, 10 in Spanish and 10 in Russian. The boy disappeared June 4 from Skyline School after visiting the science fair with this stepmother. Lindstrand said dive units from Clackamas and Multnomah counties continue to make routine checks of bodies of water in the area around Skyline in northwest Multnomah County. A Multnomah County dive unit also was seen in the waters near Sauvie Island on Wednesday afternoon. In other developments: T-shirts: Friends of Kyron's family continue to drop off a pile of "missing" T-shirts with the 7-year-old's picture each morning on a table in the lobby of the Multnomah County Sheriff's Office headquarters in Northeast Portland. The search: Sheriff's Capt. Jason Gates said investigators were still running into resistance from a few people who don't want searchers in their homes, but most people have complied and the number of unsearched homes is small. Investigators also have almost completed a second canvassing of the neighborhood, defined as an area in about a four-mile radius around Skyline School. Investigation: Lindstrand said the entire East County Major Crimes Team is continuing to work on the case, with help from the FBI and the Portland Police Bureau. Tips: Lindstrand said tips about Kyron continue to come in, and although alleged sightings have been phoned in from as far away as the Midwest, the investigation remains focused on Multnomah County. She encouraged people to keep combing their memory for anything that might help investigators find Kyron. "There's a tip out there that's going to get us to where Kyron is," she said. The tip line is 503-261-2847. Lindstrand said a white pickup truck towed from the Horman property isn't part of the investigation. The Horman family had tried to drive the truck to the grocery store, found that the starter was dead and called a tow truck, she said. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: MuffyBee on June 16, 2010, 11:04:49 PM http://www.kptv.com/news/23920524/detail.html
(Video of vigil) Hundreds Gather At Kyron Horman Vigil June 16, 2010 PORTLAND, Ore. -- The parents of missing 7-year-old Kyron Horman were among hundreds of people to attend a vigil for the boy Tuesday at a northwest Portland church. Some of the people who attended were close friends of the Horman family, but others had no connection at all, such as Jessica Nelson, who drove from Vancouver to attend the vigil at Sunset Presbyterian Church. "It's been a while, but we can't give up hope because if you give up hope, there's nothing left," Nelson said. "I can't imagine if it was one of my babies gone. I would just be torn apart." John Dale, of Hillsboro, also does not know the family, but wanted to lend his support. "I can't do anything, but just be here and be a part of a community that really cares," he said. Kyron disappeared from Skyline School 12 days ago. Earlier this week, deputies said they were switching the focus of the second-grader's disappearance from a missing endangered child case to a criminal investigation. Last week, deputies said Kyron's parents have cooperated with the investigation throughout. They, along with the crowd at the church, prayed at the vigil. The night ended with hundreds of candles being lit in the sanctuary -- perhaps a signal that many refuse to let Kyron's disappearance become a cold case. "No matter what you feel, you've just got to hope that he comes home one way or another," Nelson said. Some of the organizers of the vigil are friends of Kyron's father, Kaine Horman. The family did not make any comment to the media at the event. School Year Ends Without Kyron In Class Summer vacation began Tuesday afternoon for Skyline School students, but classmates and teachers said it's hard to celebrate knowing Kyron remains missing. Students piled cards and gifts on Kyron's desk and received a special surprise at a school assembly when Trail Blazers star Brandon Roy and coach Nate McMillan paid a special visit to the school. While the children cheered, parents said it's still a difficult time for the Skyline community. "I think the kids know today that the assembly is about him, but also to leave them on a positive note for the summer," said Gail Meyer, a Skyline School parent. School district officials said counselors will be available throughout the summer for students and staff. Billboards To Remind Drivers To Keep Eye Out Clear Channel Outdoor donated materials and space Tuesday for 30 billboards dedicated to missing 7-year-old Kyron Horman. Ten of the billboards are in English, 10 are in Spanish and 10 are in Russian. The bilboards are located all over the Portland area. The majority are in east Portland. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: JessStar on June 16, 2010, 11:30:23 PM Jess what are your thoughts about an assult charge or stalking? The person in he car states they saw this man walking behind this boy, the boy states he reached out and tried to grab him. The child was not asking to be touched or reached out to and given the child ran makes it understood the child believed he was in danger. If this man is a SO with a history of assult on children, then wouldn't this act put him in violation? Good questions TG. Unfortunately I don't know enough of the facts to answer them. Let me see though if I CSM shed some light on them. One if the elements of a criminal assault charge is an "unwanted touching." If you can't prove beyond a reasonable doubt that there was a touching, then you can't get a conviction. Here it sounds like the evidence is questionable at best. A stalking charge typically requires proof of a pattern. Here there's no way a prosecutor could convince a jury beyond a reasonable doubt that this creep had a pattern of following this boy. On the SO question that really depends on the conditions of his release. If he did his time and was released prior to any lifetime registration requirement then chances are being around children doesn't make him s violator. Not good news I know. That's why I'm convinced that the law has been too slow to respond. Thank God though that the Supreme Court upheld the civil commitment provisions of the Adam Walsh Act. They will go a long way toward helping to solve this legal dilemma. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: cartfly on June 16, 2010, 11:50:02 PM Just popping in for a second but found this.
http://www.kptv.com/news/23927964/detail.html (http://www.kptv.com/news/23927964/detail.html) Sauvie Island Residents On Alert For Clues Dive Team Searching Around Island POSTED: 7:07 pm PDT June 16, 2010 UPDATED: 8:37 pm PDT June 16, 2010 PORTLAND, Ore. -- Residents on Sauvie Island said they are on alert for clues about Kyron Horman's disappearance. Earlier this week, members of a Multnomah County dive team were spotted wading into waterways around the northwest Portland island. Deputies later confirmed the search was part of the investigation into the missing 7-year-old. The divers returned again Wednesday, deputies said. There is no word on their findings or what brought them to Sauvie Island. A sheriff's office horse trailer was also spotted in the area after the major search operation was called off Sunday. Randy Laws, a fisherman, said locals have been checking their properties and along the riverfront to assist in the sheriff's investigation. “I've seen some boats go by today and they were going pretty slow, so it looked like they were looking," Laws said. Kyron's disappearance 13 days ago sparked one of the largest search efforts in Oregon's history. On Sunday, deputies called off hundreds of searchers as the case became a criminal investigation. The second-grade student was last seen after a morning science fair at Skyline Elementary School. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Wyks on June 16, 2010, 11:54:54 PM The search: Sheriff's Capt. Jason Gates said investigators were still running into resistance from a few people who don't want searchers in their homes, but most people have complied and the number of unsearched homes is small. ~~~ I snipped the above paragraph from a recent article upthread. I appreciate how the majority of folks in that area are willing to comply in allowing their homes to be searched. And I just cannot wrap my mind around the few who resist. I mean.. who does that? Knowing a child is missing, could just refuse such a thing? How many of us, had this been happening in our own neighborhoods, wouldn't throw the doors open wide and let the search commence? <shaking head> Sure I wouldn't want LE to see the dirty dishes in the sink, the pile of dirty towels waiting to be loaded in the washer.. but c'mon. That's not what they'd even be looking at/for. I just don't understand some folks in this day and age. sigh. A young friend of my mid son went missing sev years ago, when they were 19/20 yrs. old LE searched and searched, begged folks to search their property. Figuring if each property owner would search outbuildings and sheds, etc, that would help LE immensely. Well.. obviously not everyone wanted to be bothered with that, cuz the young friend was found many months later.. on someone's property. Had they looked back when LE asked them to... Yeah. I just cannot wrap my mind around this kind of attitude. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: cartfly on June 17, 2010, 12:19:27 AM Apologies if this was posted before. I find it very interesting and how easy Kyron could have been lured away by someone who he thought was a police officer since his step- dad is an officer. I hadn't thought this scenario until I read this. This man is still wanted and this happened in Portland also.
http://www.amw.com/fugitives/case.cfm?id=71863 (http://www.amw.com/fugitives/case.cfm?id=71863) Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: pamomma on June 17, 2010, 08:54:55 AM Here is a link to a bunch of pictures of Kyron, including some of their family. http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Kyron%20Horman%20%20-OR-/?start=0 this one makes me particularly sad...they just look so happy http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Kyron%20Horman%20%20-OR-/?action=view¤t=kyronhalloween2009.jpg if you click on the first link and go to pages 5 & 6, there are some family photos...all of Kyron with Dad, Stepmom,Little sister and sometimes big brother. If we are going to judge Stepmom for not being in enough pics with Kyron...then is anyone going to ask where the pictures are of him with his Birth mother?? Because I haven't seen 1 single picture of them together. Not trying to sound critical of anyone...but we have all been judging SM for this and that...what about his Birth mother? Why wasn't she at the science fair, or the talent show, where are the loving pictures of her with Kyron? I read an article saying Dad and SM drove him to her house for visits...why couldn't she come to him? I'm not suggesting she is responsible for his disappearance...I'm just pointing out that she does not appear to be very involved with Kyron, even less than his stepmother. Thanks for those links, pamomma, will check them out. You have good questions regarding the biomom. I don't know the answers to those either, wish we did. I don't have a fixation on any one person over another, and don't think many others in here do either. Some of us haven't had a chance to post each and every theory yet. (Example, I have many questions about the principal. Just haven't gone there yet). Some we may still be gathering info on, waiting for further info about, etc. If and when there's an angle you want discussed, that hasn't been discussed yet, then just toss it into the mix, ask away. Am thinking that we're very early on into this case, 1st thread, page 24 last I looked. Am fairly certain that by the 24th thread, page 24, someone somewhere will have mentioned every single possible person and viewpoint in this case that there is to discuss. And even then, someone will likely come along and say, 'Heyyyyy what about ..... ??' And many of us will go yeah, what about that!! LOL Know what I mean? :) Whenever anyone begins a sentence with... "Not trying to sound critical of anyone...but ...... " Then honestly, very often whatever follows is gonna be exactly that. Even with good intentions. Just saying... Although 'some' of us have been questioning this and that in this case, we have not *all* been doing so. Some have sat quietly by and just read. Some have been offering updates/links/pics/prayers/support/answers as possible. Some have offered their 'viewpoints' without questions. Not *all* have been questioning or even IMO judging. Asking questions about something or someone.. isn't necessarily the same as 'judging' whatever/whoever that is. There's a difference. IMO. Wyks- I apologize for the snarky tone of my post...I honestly didn't mean for it to come off as it did (after rereading it I realize it was worded rather harshly) to be honest I wasn't even referring to the monkey's in particular, I had been reading comments and discussion on the Kyron Facebook page, and some of the posters on there are just on a persecution mission of the SM, with no basis or theory...just mainly b/c they feel she should have been at the talent show or should have walked him into his classroom, and I just thought, maybe she should have, but then again, maybe his bio dad or bio mom should have been doing those things too. I am a child or divorce and I have a stepmom, who loves me like her flesh and blood, I guess I just let the posts get to me. I apologize and hope there are no hard feelings. You are right, there are many discussion left to have about this case, I just hope we have some kind of resolution soon. I know many (probably all) of us are really taking this case to heart and the frustration with everything is really starting to wear on me (and probably many others). I would love to hear your thoughts on the principal! I really feel something is off with someone in that school..teacher/principal...but I just can't understand why LE would continue allowing them to be around children, and be so convinced it was an isolated incident if that were the case Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Wyks on June 17, 2010, 12:28:02 PM Wyks- I apologize for the snarky tone of my post...I honestly didn't mean for it to come off as it did (after rereading it I realize it was worded rather harshly) to be honest I wasn't even referring to the monkey's in particular, I had been reading comments and discussion on the Kyron Facebook page, and some of the posters on there are just on a persecution mission of the SM, with no basis or theory...just mainly b/c they feel she should have been at the talent show or should have walked him into his classroom, and I just thought, maybe she should have, but then again, maybe his bio dad or bio mom should have been doing those things too. I am a child or divorce and I have a stepmom, who loves me like her flesh and blood, I guess I just let the posts get to me. I apologize and hope there are no hard feelings. You are right, there are many discussion left to have about this case, I just hope we have some kind of resolution soon. I know many (probably all) of us are really taking this case to heart and the frustration with everything is really starting to wear on me (and probably many others). I would love to hear your thoughts on the principal! I really feel something is off with someone in that school..teacher/principal...but I just can't understand why LE would continue allowing them to be around children, and be so convinced it was an isolated incident if that were the case Awww pamomma ~ (http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq117/Wyks_/Smilies/hug.gif) ~ no hard feelings here! Been there myself, too many times to count. :P Totally understand about reading over there, eeeeep! Sometimes folks can get the totally wrong idea, like I did in this case. (probably at least once, mwahaha). I saw in the stepmom's facebook the times she had been in there and ran in here telling everybody, look look! lol other monkeys kindly pointing out the 'time thang' with facebook, which gosh changes the whole idea. We have a type of 'check n balance' in here, bringing thoughts/ideas to the table, going with stuff that works, tossing out others that don't. Over there where you are speaking of, no form of 'check n balance' going on. Makes it a skeeeeery place. IMO. Very definitely in cases like this, passion can run high, frustration set in. It's how I get the yard/garden weeded. lol Saving those for when I need to take a break from this frustration. (and am welcome to the neighbors farm patch when I run out. LOL) I agree pamomma, something is off at that school. Perhaps something that doesn't even have to do with Kyron's gone missing. Am betting that this case will uncover whatever that is. Whether they make it public or not, that remains to be seen. Having finished yet with my thoughts on the principal. Yet what struck me first is that he stayed SO very quietly in the background, for so long. Even when he did finally speak, at a recent presser, he said 'this is a criminal investigation', (before that had been announced publically by LE), and the good sheriff couldn't get him out of there fast enough. Abruptly ending the presser. Not very long after that, it was announced publically that there had been a shift of direction, this case is now being considered a 'criminal investigation'. Well duh, the principal already spilled the beans on that. lol But what I feel is odd is the silence of the principal, before/after that presser. What principal does that, when something happens at their school or involving a student there? My SIL is the principal of an elem. school, and although the school district has a spokesperson, the principals speak to the press at times as well. In positive situations, it's to show that the school as one offers congrats, support, praise/recognition to student/family, whatever the event is. In negative situations, it's to do the same with condolences, offer/rally support, updates, calm fears etc of other parents within the community, and etc. What principal wouldn't step in front of the camera either beaming with pride, or calmly speaking to the frightened parents of his school and others in the public? What principal seems to allow the sheriff to do that for him? If my student attended that school, I wanna see the principal step out and help calm things down. The principals in son's school out in Cali did that. They do it here in Nebraska. When needed of course, it's not needed often, but makes a diff when it is. In Cali, one day a few students (HS) brought guns on campus. The day ended with a 250 student on student riot, a lot of arrests, and the guns consficated, with no injuries, thank God. On the news that night, of course we wanted to see a presser and our local sheriff, who tried to calm the parents. What WE parents waited for, during that presser, was to be reassured by our very own principal, that tomorrow would be a safer day because of x, y, and z. That's what I'm talking about here, in Kyron's case. Why wasn't that ever offered by the principal to the parents of his students? Not trying to judge him or his non-actions. Trying to understand where the heck he is coming from, regarding this case. And of course, all IMO. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Wyks on June 17, 2010, 12:35:10 PM Hmmm well.. forgot to add..
Perhaps the principal DID offer that support to the parents of Kyron's school, and we as the public just didn't see it. Perhaps that happened on the local news and didn't go national. I do take that into consideration as well. And am hoping that it happened. Haven't read that it happened, maybe another monkey has, and I missed it?? Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: atlanta_mom on June 17, 2010, 12:46:03 PM Apologies if this was posted before. I find it very interesting and how easy Kyron could have been lured away by someone who he thought was a police officer since his step- dad is an officer. I hadn't thought this scenario until I read this. This man is still wanted and this happened in Portland also. http://www.amw.com/fugitives/case.cfm?id=71863 (http://www.amw.com/fugitives/case.cfm?id=71863) My thoughts exactly. I think he was lured away by someone who said they were friends of the family. It will be very easy for this to happen. It has made me think about my own son's school. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Patricia Mocha Latte on June 17, 2010, 01:32:32 PM I am very frustrated knowing that there are people out there who would refuse to allow LE to search their property or homes when a Child is reported missing. Don't they want to be ruled out??????
Those people create suspicion by their own doing imvh! I am not sure who said it but whomever it was you are right! Who would do such a thing???? For all anyone would know Kyron could be in one of those homes or on the property somewhere! Is it lack of compassion? FTLOG, concern for this missing little boy and for your own piece of mind let LE SEARCH! Seriously!!!! What if Kyron were somehow being restrained in one of these homes unable to communicate even as LE is knocking on the door???? O/T The principal at my Children's school is terrific. I wish there were one of him at every school across the Nation. (To many great things to list about him and the school policies etc...but I am serious!) PS O/T what is up with the server? It's difficult to post and/or refresh the pages? Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Patricia Mocha Latte on June 17, 2010, 01:38:51 PM I do not necessarily believe that Kyron would have to know the person who had taken him from the school. I am not saying that he didn't know the person but Children are very trusting and reliant upon adults and Children have also been taught to feel safe at school.
O/T (Heck when I was groing up the only persons any of the Children had to worry about were the class/school bullies. I remember getting into a tangle with a few of the bullies from time to time and of course I was the one who got into trouble over the whole deal too...Just sayin...) Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Patricia Mocha Latte on June 17, 2010, 02:02:44 PM O/T O/T O/T
(Insert embarrassed faced smiley here.) I feel compelled to explain myself now ummm OK so one day I was ill and couldn't attend class. My friend and I had been harrassed non stop by one boy who was very mean. On that day said boy intentionally shoved my friend off the swings causing both of her arms to be broken. When I came back to school I found out about the incident and I tackled him and made him eat sawdust. (I feel bad about it now but at the time I felt he deserved it?) I wonder though, since Kryon's SM had worked/volunteered at the school, if there were any issues with other students or student's Parents for whatever reason??? Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Wyks on June 17, 2010, 02:46:17 PM Does anyone associated with the school know if there WAS an electrical project on display at the science fair? Hi MadMom, The only mention I've heard of it is from Kyron's lil friend Tanner. Maybe someone else has read if that was confirmed by the school or a local? Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Wyks on June 17, 2010, 02:52:35 PM Saw this on Kyron's site on facebook. Haven't seen the video yet but several people are commenting on it. "I found this video interesting on Koin tv. They have a few others, this one mentions the "mystery white truck" that people have seen around the house the day on or after (??) Kyron went missing. Now it's being towed away to a shop? Also one of the Koin videos mentioned there was undercover agents at the vigil last night, and that of course they won... See More't say what they saw or discovered. not sure if this link will work or not: http://www.koinlocal6.com/content/mediacenter/default.aspx?videoId=16810@koin.web.entriq.net&navCatId=156 The video is 3rd down on the list PRAYER VIGIL FOR HOPE and is about 7:49 long. I just found it interesting myself" Hi Lenie, Have read that the white truck at their home needed repair, wasn't towed by LE or anything. It's pretty dang confusing, all the different trucks being chatted about. Heard about a white one, a red one, and a black one. Makes my head spin! Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Wyks on June 17, 2010, 03:06:29 PM Patricia,
Seems that sometimes the only way a 'bully' is gonna learn is the hard way. Showing em what it feels like to be bullied sometimes makes em think twice about doing that stuff ever again. Sometimes not. lol Yet IMO, good for you for stepping up! Seems when a scuffle happens on the playground, etc., it's often the last one seen who gets into trouble. Cannot count the times I've tried explaining to school monitors to get the whole story before handing out penalties. Sometimes the whole thing has been caused by a third kid, who starts the prob then steps back. (one of my son's did that, the brat, and I made sure he got suspended right along with the rest of em, for fighting, he started it). Being bullied at school, in the neighborhood, is certainly one of the possibilities in this case. Kyron seemed like a more timid type boy, not a trouble-causer. That's just my impression. Yet even the timid ones have their limits. Could he have been bullied over something that day? Teased? I dunno. It's something that has crossed the minds of many. Cuz several were trying to find out if any of the 'older' elem. students were gone (or late, left early) that day. Would be interesting to know that. Would think that LE would have already checked things from that angle, just wish they'd tell us, if true. Dang I have such a weird need to know everything LE is/has/plans to do. <shakes head sadly> Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: marycat on June 17, 2010, 04:37:23 PM I was wondering if that is a sure thing that the stepfather is a Medford detective? I know he isn't the Tony Young that was on the K-9 unit with his dog Okee because I saw a photo and that Tony Young was smaller and darker. Here is a link to a photo of the Medford CID unit in 2007 and I don't recognize him as one of those detectives, but I have old eyes - lol. I zoomed in 400% on the photo with my zoom feature in my browser, so it was large and clear, but no Tony??? Maybe he wasn't in that dept in 2007? Or???
http://www.ci.medford.or.us/Page.asp?NavID=1766 Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: seahorse on June 17, 2010, 05:46:09 PM Missing Oregon Boy's Picture on Various Portland Billboards Missing seven-year-old Kyron Horman's picture is now on 30 donated billboards across Portland, Oregon. Posted: 6:06 AM Jun 17, 2010 snip... Retired Police Officer C.W. Jensen says investigators are not saying much because they're busy trying to build a solid case and reveal where Kyron could be. snip... http://www.wbko.com/news/headlines/96551344.html?ref=344 Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Itaryl Moosee on June 17, 2010, 06:57:22 PM Missing Oregon Boy's Picture on Various Portland Billboards Missing seven-year-old Kyron Horman's picture is now on 30 donated billboards across Portland, Oregon. Posted: 6:06 AM Jun 17, 2010 snip... Retired Police Officer C.W. Jensen says investigators are not saying much because they're busy trying to build a solid case and reveal where Kyron could be. snip... http://www.wbko.com/news/headlines/96551344.html?ref=344 Curious choice of words for Officer Jensen. This could mean that they have a person they are building a solid case against. And, they have an idea where Kyron is, and they are planning to reveal where he could be. I guess they will reveal once he's found... ? Maybe he is being a little optimistic. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: MuffyBee on June 17, 2010, 09:20:00 PM http://www.nwcn.com/video?id=96573824&sec=577852
VIDEO- National 'People' magazine to feature Kyron Horman case Posted on June 17, 2010 at 9:33 AM Updated today at 12:11 PM The disappearance of seven-year-old Kyron Horman continues to touch the hearts of people in Portland and across the nation who want to help. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: MuffyBee on June 17, 2010, 09:23:01 PM http://www.kxl.com/EXCLUSIVE--AUDIO--Kyron-Rumors-Addressed--More-Exp/7493973
EXCLUSIVE AUDIO: Kyron Rumors Addressed; More Exposure June 17, 2010 Click on Audio symbol in article (link at top of this post) to listen. Audio: After a week of rumors following the scaled back search for Kyron Horman, the Multnomah County Sheriff's office speaks out on KXL about these false claims and how it affects the family. KXL's Chris Brown talked with Lieutenant Mary Lindstrand in this online exclusive: Audio: For the second time, the Kyron Horman disappearance will be featured on "America's Most Wanted" Saturday night. Hear this report from KXL's Lacey Evans with the show's host: Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: MuffyBee on June 17, 2010, 09:26:45 PM http://blogs.wweek.com/news/2010/06/17/sources-search-for-kyron-horman-focuses-on-step-mom-cell-records/ Sources: Search for Kyron Horman Focuses on Step-Mom, Cell Records June 17, 2010 (http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4020/4709790953_47d24219e4.jpg) As the search for 7-year-old Kyron Horman continues, one of the most puzzling aspects has been rescue teams’ repeated and intensive searches of Sauvie Island. The island is more than five miles from rural Skyline Elementary School, where Horman was reported missing June 4. But rescuers on horseback, on foot and in dive teams have repeatedly scoured the island beginning around June 10 and continuing this week — even after Multnomah County Sheriff Dan Staton called off other major search operations last Sunday. WW has learned that federal, county and city law-enforcement officials say the reason for the search of Sauvie Island is that cell-phone records reveal Kyron’s step-mother, Terri Moulton Horman, may have been on the island the day he disappeared. And as searchers comb the island, law-enforcement officials say the investigation is increasingly focusing on the step-mother, because of problems with her account of what she was doing the day Kyron went missing. This information comes from five separate law-enforcement officials from agencies at the city, county and federal level. To our knowledge, none is directly involved with the investigation. But several said they’ve heard the same or similar accounts from multiple officials in the law-enforcement community. All agreed that Terri Moulton Horman has become a main focus of police attention because of problems with her story. Four of the sources say they’ve heard Horman’s story doesn’t jibe with her cell-phone records from June 4. Cell phones send off a signal called a “ping” to the nearest cell-phone tower when the phone is in use. With the help of cell-phone companies, law-enforcement officials and rescuers can use those signals to locate people (there’s an explanation from the Chicago Tribune here). Horman has been the source of public speculation since early in the investigation. She reported seeing Kyron last in a school hallway about 8:45 a.m., when she says she was leaving him at the school and he was on his way to his homeroom. Skeptics latched on to the fact Horman wrote on her Facebook page she was “hitting the gym.” To some, that seemed out of character for a parent with a missing child. Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office officials explained at a news conference that they’d told the family to continue their normal routine and try to stay healthy. Members of the family spoke out for the first time publicly at a news conference June 11, but they did not take questions from reporters. Terri Moulton Horman is the second woman from the left in the photo below. She’s seen comforting Kyron’s biological mother, Desiree Young. (http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4070/4691214267_e62d0488b4.jpg) Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: sunshine12 on June 17, 2010, 09:27:53 PM this is an interesting article, it is from a blog but it's saying that apparently step mom could be a suspect...not sure how accurate it is but i personally believe it could be accurate, where there is smoke there is usually fire in my opinion
http://gawker.com/5566578/missing-oregon-second-grader-maybe-it-was-the-stepmother Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: klaasend on June 17, 2010, 09:28:53 PM http://www.koinlocal6.com/content/news/topstories/story/Rumors-swirl-around-Horman-investigation/WPjHVDbfQkulpM6um9gubQ.cspx
Rumors swirl around Horman investigation Last Update: 4:33 pm PORTLAND, Ore. – The Internet may have made communication and access to information easier (at least more convenient), but www could stand for the Wild Wild West instead of World Wide Web when it comes to verification of rumors. A sad case in point is a torrent of “news” swirling around the Kyron Horman investigation. Multiple postings on multiple web sites claim multiple outcomes—some have various people arrested, others have various results to the search for the missing 2nd grader—all of which the Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office have denounced “The social networking sites with Twitter and Facebook, someone posts something and it gets out there,” said Mary Lindstrom with Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office. “There is a rumor out there that Kyron’s been found and someone’s been arrested. No, that has not happened. It’s not true.” Lindstrom said rumors on websites are hurtful. “If a family member reads that, they would get their hopes up,” she said. “People need to be careful about what they are posting. There’s a lot at risk. The family is going through a lot.” In addition to rumors on the web, people soliciting donation to help with the search effort or to give to the family may not be who they claim. “It’s sad, but it happens in a lot of tragedies were people pull these scams,” Lindstrom said. “Be aware that people will take advantage of you when there is a tragedy going on.” Along with online scams asking for donations, scam artists have been calling people asking for money. The Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office said the Horman family has not asked anyone to call for donations. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Wyks on June 17, 2010, 09:41:06 PM Here's the content for the link that Sunshine provided upthread. Basically similiar info that we are reading in other areas as well.
Missing Oregon Second Grader: Maybe It Was the Stepmother? http://gawker.com/5566578/missing-oregon-second-grader-maybe-it-was-the-stepmother?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+gawker%2Ffull+%28Gawker%29 (http://gawker.com/5566578/missing-oregon-second-grader-maybe-it-was-the-stepmother?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+gawker%2Ffull+%28Gawker%29) Oregon second-grader Kyron Horman vanished without a trace from his Portland elementary school nearly two weeks ago. Now the investigation has begun to focus on his stepmother, and her trip to a nearby island on the day of Horman's disappearance. Kyron Horman's stepmother, Terri Moulton Horman, says the last time she saw the seven year-old he was just 100 feet away from his second grade classroom. Last week we made fun of amateur Internet sleuths who pinned Kyron's disappearance on Moulton Horman, basing their conclusion solely on the fact she coldly posted a Facebook status update about her trip to the gym a few hours after reporting Kyron missing. It just seemed too obvious! But now, the Portland alt-weekly Willamette Week reports that she has indeed "become a main focus of police attention because of problems with her story." This attention stems from the fact that Moulton Horman's account of the day Kyron disappeared doesn't match her cell-phone records. Recently, police dive teams have been searching the waters around an island just outside Portland. According to Willamette Week, Moulton Horman's cell phone records put her on the island June 4th, the day Kyron disappeared. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: theboyzmom on June 17, 2010, 09:43:58 PM I have said from the beginning that SM's story did not make sense to me. I really think that something is wrong in the story. I know people are saying that she posted the gym comment because she was told to go about her normal life while the police were investigating - sorry, but I MAY have gone to the gym to work off anxiety but I would not post it on facebook.
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Itaryl Moosee on June 17, 2010, 09:47:19 PM http://www.koinlocal6.com/content/news/topstories/story/Rumors-swirl-around-Horman-investigation/WPjHVDbfQkulpM6um9gubQ.cspx Rumors swirl around Horman investigation Last Update: 4:33 pm PORTLAND, Ore. – The Internet may have made communication and access to information easier (at least more convenient), but www could stand for the Wild Wild West instead of World Wide Web when it comes to verification of rumors. A sad case in point is a torrent of “news” swirling around the Kyron Horman investigation. Multiple postings on multiple web sites claim multiple outcomes—some have various people arrested, others have various results to the search for the missing 2nd grader—all of which the Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office have denounced “The social networking sites with Twitter and Facebook, someone posts something and it gets out there,” said Mary Lindstrom with Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office. “There is a rumor out there that Kyron’s been found and someone’s been arrested. No, that has not happened. It’s not true.” Lindstrom said rumors on websites are hurtful. “If a family member reads that, they would get their hopes up,” she said. “People need to be careful about what they are posting. There’s a lot at risk. The family is going through a lot.” In addition to rumors on the web, people soliciting donation to help with the search effort or to give to the family may not be who they claim. “It’s sad, but it happens in a lot of tragedies were people pull these scams,” Lindstrom said. “Be aware that people will take advantage of you when there is a tragedy going on.” Along with online scams asking for donations, scam artists have been calling people asking for money. The Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office said the Horman family has not asked anyone to call for donations. Check the comments to the article. Apparently KOIN.com had reported that Kyron's body had been found. Then they took the news article down. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Wyks on June 17, 2010, 09:47:47 PM Kyron (http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq117/Wyks_/Kyron/kyron2.jpg) In this photo, we can see his eyes a bit more easily, as they are more wide open, and this is a close-up pic. Cover up his smile with your hand and look at the expression in his eyes. What do you guys see? A happy go-lucky lil guy? (found pic at): http://gawker.com/ (http://gawker.com/) Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 17, 2010, 09:52:08 PM I have said from the beginning that SM's story did not make sense to me. I really think that something is wrong in the story. I know people are saying that she posted the gym comment because she was told to go about her normal life while the police were investigating - sorry, but I MAY have gone to the gym to work off anxiety but I would not post it on facebook. I agree with you, from the beginning I was suspicious of the step mom.Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 17, 2010, 09:55:45 PM Kyron (http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq117/Wyks_/Kyron/kyron2.jpg) In this photo, we can see his eyes a bit more easily, as they are more wide open, and this is a close-up pic. Cover up his smile with your hand and look at the expression in his eyes. What do you guys see? A happy go-lucky lil guy? (found pic at): http://gawker.com/ (http://gawker.com/) Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tracygirl on June 17, 2010, 09:59:52 PM Where did the person writing the blog get the information about the cell phone pings? Sorry but I have been trying to wade through rumor vs fact all day on this case. Everything has gotten so muddled up that it is difficult.
I think LE is responsible for this happening. They need to release information on who they believe is responsible. If they have a POI then they need to say so because if it is not this woman, her life is ruined. If it is her, fine then say so! Wykes I see a little boy with big blue eyes. I don't see a sad little guy or a happy little guy, just a little boy. If you or others see a sad one, remember we don't know when this pic was taken, if he was ill or not, if he was upset because he didn't get to have a cookie before the pic. We do not know...that is the point I think, we do not know. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Wyks on June 17, 2010, 10:00:48 PM Check the comments to the article. Apparently KOIN.com had reported that Kyron's body had been found. Then they took the news article down. http://www.koinlocal6.com/content/news/topstories/story/Rumors-swirl-around-Horman-investigation/WPjHVDbfQkulpM6um9gubQ.cspx (http://www.koinlocal6.com/content/news/topstories/story/Rumors-swirl-around-Horman-investigation/WPjHVDbfQkulpM6um9gubQ.cspx) A outcry from readers in comments section over a several hour period, then this was posted: KOIN has appologized on the KYRON HORMAN FB PAGE: KOINLocal6.com regrets the false posting on our website that Kyron Horman had been found. We apologize for the obvious emotional stress that this posting created. The posting was the result of internal miscommunication, and should not have occurred. This incident has prompted additional internal polices to prevent further occurrences Eyes-wide-open on a few of the other comments as well. <gulp> Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Itaryl Moosee on June 17, 2010, 10:09:42 PM EVEN if the police had suggested they go on with their activities, how can someone go on??? Specially the first few days???
Sure, they suggested it, but they maybe didn't expect a grieving father or mother to continue being the social butterfly a day or two after the disappearance. MOO. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Wyks on June 17, 2010, 10:10:50 PM Where did the person writing the blog get the information about the cell phone pings? Sorry but I have been trying to wade through rumor vs fact all day on this case. Everything has gotten so muddled up that it is difficult. I think LE is responsible for this happening. They need to release information on who they believe is responsible. If they have a POI then they need to say so because if it is not this woman, her life is ruined. If it is her, fine then say so! Wykes I see a little boy with big blue eyes. I don't see a sad little guy or a happy little guy, just a little boy. If you or others see a sad one, remember we don't know when this pic was taken, if he was ill or not, if he was upset because he didn't get to have a cookie before the pic. We do not know...that is the point I think, we do not know. Points well taken, TG. Rosie.. I see a smile that stops at the top of his cute lil cheeks. There may not be tears in those eyes, yet there is definitely no smile in them either. One pic.. prolly doesn't mean anything. It's just something I noticed, wasn't even looking for, it just reached out and grabbed my heart. :( Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 17, 2010, 10:14:46 PM Where did the person writing the blog get the information about the cell phone pings? Sorry but I have been trying to wade through rumor vs fact all day on this case. Everything has gotten so muddled up that it is difficult. I think LE is responsible for this happening. They need to release information on who they believe is responsible. If they have a POI then they need to say so because if it is not this woman, her life is ruined. If it is her, fine then say so! Wykes I see a little boy with big blue eyes. I don't see a sad little guy or a happy little guy, just a little boy. If you or others see a sad one, remember we don't know when this pic was taken, if he was ill or not, if he was upset because he didn't get to have a cookie before the pic. We do not know...that is the point I think, we do not know. Points well taken, TG. Rosie.. I see a smile that stops at the top of his cute lil cheeks. There may not be tears in those eyes, yet there is definitely no smile in them either. One pic.. prolly doesn't mean anything. It's just something I noticed, wasn't even looking for, it just reached out and grabbed my heart. :( Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Wyks on June 17, 2010, 10:43:38 PM Rosie.. I see a smile that stops at the top of his cute lil cheeks. There may not be tears in those eyes, yet there is definitely no smile in them either. One pic.. prolly doesn't mean anything. It's just something I noticed, wasn't even looking for, it just reached out and grabbed my heart. :( Thank-you, I see what you are saying. You're welcome! :) Been watching for different pics of Kyron, wanting to see more of him grouped with family, friends, his kitty, anything other than just.. alone. Was glad to see a nice closeup of him. And the one with his bro in the pile of leaves makes me smile. He was having fun there! :) Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: MuffyBee on June 17, 2010, 10:48:23 PM http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/rumor_mill_in_kyron_horman_dis.html Rumor mill in Kyron Horman disappearance reaches pitch fever June 17, 2010 Two weeks into the investigation of 7-year-old Kyron Horman's disappearance, one of the few things certain about the case is that rampant rumors show no signs of abating. Various reports poured in Thursday from different social media outlets claiming breaking developments. The phenomenon began with the first news of the second-grader's disappearance June 4 from Skyline School, but now appears to be intensifying. Among the false claims: an arrest in the case and that Kyron had been found. Sheriff's officials were not only quick to denounce the speculation, but also expressed concern about the effect the rumors might have on Kyron's family. "They're not thinking about how the information that they're spreading can affect others," said Lt. Mary Lindstrand, spokeswoman for the Multnomah County Sheriff's Office. The sheriff's office has been fielding calls from the public in response to the erroneous information spreading online, she said. Although much of the speculation originates on Facebook and Twitter, Portland TV station KOIN posted a story on its website Thursday afternoon with the headline, "Kyron Horman's body found." KOIN News Director Lynn Heider said the post was a mistake and only appeared online, not on any broadcast. "We apologize for the obvious emotional stress that this posting created," the station said in a statement on its website. "The posting was the result of internal miscommunication, and should not have occurred. This incident has prompted additional internal policies to prevent further occurrences." Earlier in the investigation, online commentary regarding the behavior of Kyron's family prompted sheriff's officials to address some of the public speculation directly. Capt. Mike Shults, who has worked closely with the Horman family, explained that the family members hadn't participated in the ground search for Kyron because investigators had asked them to remain in one place so they could be easily reached. His comments came after Terri Moulton Horman, Kyron's stepmother, was criticized on some online outlets for posting on her Facebook page, including saying she was "hitting the gym" shortly after Kyron disappeared. Shults said he had asked family members to maintain their regular routines in an effort to stay healthy once it became apparent that the search for Kyron wouldn't be resolved quickly. Public speculation isn't unusual in an emotional case like that of a missing child -- it's often a coping device to deal with distress, anger and fear, said Lauri Stevens, principal of LAwS Communications , a Massachusetts-based group that provides online media advice to law enforcement agencies. Stevens isn't involved in the Kyron Horman case, but said in general, many people often don't consider the impact their commentary can have. "Social media has made it possible for people to create their own content so easily and many people don't appreciate the reach their message has when they type it into Facebook, etc." Stevens said in an e-mail interview. "The other thing that unfortunately doesn't come into play often enough is good judgment on the part of the receivers of the information," Stevens said. "People tend to believe the things they read without any critical thought. Whether or not what they read is true or not, they're going to respond." Despite the many rumors surrounding the case, investigators have remained focused on the task at hand, Lindstrand said. "They're on their mission and their mission is to find Kyron and bring him home," she said. "They know that these rumors are not true." Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: sunshine12 on June 17, 2010, 10:55:43 PM someone by the name of Kristian Horman was arrested yesterday for child molestation in Snohomish County...not sure if this person is related to Kyron or not, but he is being held without bail..i am working on getting a link..they are talking about it over on insessions..
http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?t=369365&page=10 Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Wyks on June 17, 2010, 10:57:17 PM Where did the person writing the blog get the information about the cell phone pings? Sorry but I have been trying to wade through rumor vs fact all day on this case. Everything has gotten so muddled up that it is difficult. I think LE is responsible for this happening. They need to release information on who they believe is responsible. If they have a POI then they need to say so because if it is not this woman, her life is ruined. If it is her, fine then say so! Wykes I see a little boy with big blue eyes. I don't see a sad little guy or a happy little guy, just a little boy. If you or others see a sad one, remember we don't know when this pic was taken, if he was ill or not, if he was upset because he didn't get to have a cookie before the pic. We do not know...that is the point I think, we do not know. Well one thing is for sure.. if even one of the most recent 'rumors' turns out to be true.. then it will be completely understandable IMO why the silence on the part of so many. Kinda doubt we can sort thru things as to which is rumor or fact in such early days of a case. Besides looking for court records and such. Usually it takes time for things in a case to unfold before realizing which rumors (early 'info' posted by locals etc) are indeed fact. Still and all, frustrating tho. I hear ya TG. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Wyks on June 17, 2010, 11:15:40 PM someone by the name of Kristian Horman was arrested yesterday for child molestation in Snohomish County...not sure if this person is related to Kyron or not, but he is being held without bail..i am working on getting a link..they are talking about it over on insessions.. http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?t=369365&page=10 ugh. wonder how old his victim was? am over at IS reading now. this male (whether related to kyron or not) has two daughters. :( Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Wyks on June 17, 2010, 11:22:05 PM From IS:
http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?t=369365&page=10 (http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?t=369365&page=10) Classmate.com has the following people as graduation from Shorecrest High school in Oregon: 1. Kaine Horman, class of 1992 (would be 36 now, same as the Kaine Horman in question as Kyron's dad), and 2. Kristian Horman, class of 1995 SOOOO, IMO IMO JMO, they are definitely related, probably brothers or if not, then cousins. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Wyks on June 17, 2010, 11:24:11 PM From Intelius: Kaine Andrew Horman (36) Portland, OR Aloha, OR Beaverton, OR Seattle, WA Desiree A Horman (50) Mel Horman Melvin H Horman (86) Chris Horman Joyce Pauline Horman (84) Kristian S Horman (32) Kelly S Horman (39) R N Horman (63) Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: sunshine12 on June 17, 2010, 11:24:18 PM blink just confirmed its his uncle
http://blinkoncrime.com/2010/06/17/kyron-horman-case-uncle-kristian-horman-is-arrested-for-child-molestation/ Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Wyks on June 17, 2010, 11:28:02 PM someone by the name of Kristian Horman was arrested yesterday for child molestation in Snohomish County...not sure if this person is related to Kyron or not, but he is being held without bail..i am working on getting a link..they are talking about it over on insessions.. http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?t=369365&page=10 Hmmmm.. NO BAIL.. ??? Very interesting. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Wyks on June 17, 2010, 11:29:49 PM blink just confirmed its his uncle http://blinkoncrime.com/2010/06/17/kyron-horman-case-uncle-kristian-horman-is-arrested-for-child-molestation/ Sad.. but true. <sigh> thanks Sunshine. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Wyks on June 17, 2010, 11:33:32 PM Pic at link at end of post: ~~~~ Engagement: Griggs-Horman Stephenie Griggs and Kristian Horman will be married Dec. 20 in a private ceremony at the Edmonds Masonic Center. The future bride is the daughter of Geraldine Hamel of Bothell. The future groom is the son of R. Neil and Kristi Horman of Shoreline. The groom to be is an IT Specialist for Volt Technical Resources, and the bride to be is a student at Cascadia Community College and Substitute Preschool Teacher for Bothell Daycare and Preschool. Kristian brings with him two lovely daughters: Mxxxxxx, age 15 and Mxxxxx, age 8. The couple of five years resides in Bothell with their one-year old son, Kxxxxxx. http://www.enterprisenewspapers.com/article/20081119/ETP29/711199831/-1/ETPZONESHL&template=ETPZoneSHLart (http://www.enterprisenewspapers.com/article/20081119/ETP29/711199831/-1/ETPZONESHL&template=ETPZoneSHLart) Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Wyks on June 17, 2010, 11:37:04 PM ?????????
In above post they gonna be married at the Masonic Temple????? OMG!!!! Is he a MASON??????????????????????? <bangs head on keyboard> no no no no no no!!! DD where are you????? Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tracygirl on June 17, 2010, 11:37:10 PM http://web5.co.snohomish.wa.us/corrections/JailRegister/dailyBookingRegister.aspx
His name is there. It says 3rd degree molestation. He was arrested yesterday. I can't get it to copy, sorry. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Wyks on June 17, 2010, 11:38:40 PM Am in shock at the moment.. If anyone can reach Edward and DD for me, plzzzzzzzzzz do so!
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tracygirl on June 17, 2010, 11:39:01 PM FYI There are 2 men with the same name. The jail doesn't say the age. One is 56 and the other is 32ish.
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tracygirl on June 17, 2010, 11:41:51 PM Sorry didn't post with my last posting. Per veromi.net
HORMAN, MALVIN H (Age 86) HORMAN, JOYCE PAULINE (Age 84) HORMAN, KRISTIAN S (Age 56) HORMAN, KAINE ANDREW (Age 36) HORMAN, RICHARD NEIL (Age 63) HORMAN, KRISTIAN S (Age 32) HORMAN, CHRISTOPHER NEIL (Age 31) HORMAN, KRISTI B HORMAN, R N (Age 63) Wykes I will email dd, not sure when she will get it Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Wyks on June 17, 2010, 11:43:59 PM ????????? In above post they gonna be married at the Masonic Temple????? OMG!!!! Is he a MASON??????????????????????? <bangs head on keyboard> no no no no no no!!! DD where are you????? Evidently Kristian is a mason, and if so, then Kyron's dad Kaine is a mason. And if so, then omg.... <shiver me timbers> shades of the Lawless 'gang'......... DD? Edward? Help! Will just be holed up with my lip zipped from here on out. This is very likely wayyyyyyyyyyyyy the hell too close to home for me. Sry. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tracygirl on June 17, 2010, 11:49:31 PM I sent skye an email for you and I also sent a PM on her forum. She will get it soon.
It is ok wykes, I know this scares you and brings back very awful memories. I am very sorry. This case is going to end up being what it is, we have to somehow try to separate ourselves from the story if we want to be in the thread. Just take a deep breath and remember it is not happening to you anymore. That part of your life is over. If it turns out this poor boy fell victim to the same thing, then you can help shed light on it. Your experience will help him. So hugs to you my friend, deep breath and it will be ok. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: New Monkey on June 17, 2010, 11:58:14 PM I saw on IS that Kristian Horman is a deacon. Here is the info posted on IS. I hope it's okay to bring something from there to here? If not, I am sorry.
Greenwood Masonic Center 7910 Greenwood Ave N, Seattle, WA 98103 Meets on the 1st Thursday of each month at 7:00 p.m. (If a Holiday, then the 3rd Thursday). January and November meeting starts at 5:00 p.m. Dark July and August. (Contact) Officers for 2006 Worshipful Master WB Michael L. Ellsworth Senior Warden Bro. Neil Horman Junior Warden Bro. Leonard T. Hutchinson Secretary WB Roger Pankey Treasurer WB Bill A. Burnett Chaplain Bro. Herbie E. Martin Marshall Bro. Ralph Meyers Musician WB David Clarke Senior Deacon Bro. Kristian Horman Junior Deacon Bro. Robert Cittadini Senior Steward Bro. Ross Horman Junior Steward Bro. Aaron Ellsworth-Krebs Tyler WB Richard C. McMillan Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Wyks on June 18, 2010, 12:10:02 AM Hi. This is Wyks son D. She says tell a mod shes sry, plz delet if you need to. She says tell TG thnkyou, will read here & email. Thinks it best to jus read rite now. Hopes U understand. TG what U said is tru & helped her alot, thnkyou. My bro & me will keep telln her that.
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Itaryl Moosee on June 18, 2010, 12:13:16 AM He reminds me of Earl Hickey's dumb brother on "My Name is Earl."
Anyone who thinks he may have a connection to Kyron's disappearance? Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tracygirl on June 18, 2010, 12:14:29 AM So it seems there are some hormans associated with that church, Neil, Kristian, kristian and Ross. No mention of Kaine.
HORMAN, MALVIN H (Age 86) HORMAN, JOYCE PAULINE (Age 84) HORMAN, KRISTIAN S (Age 56)HORMAN, KAINE ANDREW (Age 36) HORMAN, RICHARD NEIL (Age 63)HORMAN, KRISTIAN S (Age 32) HORMAN, CHRISTOPHER NEIL (Age 31) HORMAN, KRISTI B HORMAN, R N (Age 63) Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tracygirl on June 18, 2010, 12:16:05 AM Hi. This is Wyks son D. She says tell a mod shes sry, plz delet if you need to. She says tell TG thnkyou, will read here & email. Thinks it best to jus read rite now. Hopes U understand. TG what U said is tru & helped her alot, thnkyou. My bro & me will keep telln her that. Aww Wykes you know my email. If you need anything please let me know. Glad what I said helped. ((((((((((hugs))))))))))) Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tracygirl on June 18, 2010, 12:24:19 AM HORMAN, KRISTIAN S (Age 32)
Available(4) Available OCEANSIDE, CA EVERETT, WA LAKE FOREST PARK, WA TEMECULA, CA LYNNWOOD, WA SHORELINE, WA Possible Relatives: HORMAN, MALVIN H (Age 86) HORMAN, JOYCE PAULINE (Age 84) HORMAN, CHRISTOPHER (Age 56) HORMAN, RICHARD NEIL (Age 63) HORMAN, KRISTIAN S (Age 56) HORMAN, KAINE ANDREW (Age 36) HORMAN, CHRISTOPHER NEIL (Age 31) BROOKSBANK, AMANDA S (Age 33) HORMAN, AMANDA S Possible Roommates / Associates: SUMMERS, CLINTON DEAN (Age 39) View De Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Itaryl Moosee on June 18, 2010, 12:25:02 AM Okay, so according to Intellius, all these people live at the same address???
HORMAN, MALVIN H (Age 86) HORMAN, JOYCE PAULINE (Age 84) HORMAN, KRISTIAN S (Age 56)HORMAN, KAINE ANDREW (Age 36) HORMAN, RICHARD NEIL (Age 63)HORMAN, KRISTIAN S (Age 32) HORMAN, CHRISTOPHER NEIL (Age 31) HORMAN, KRISTI B HORMAN, R N (Age 63) Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: klaasend on June 18, 2010, 12:28:16 AM Sorry didn't post with my last posting. Per veromi.net HORMAN, MALVIN H (Age 86) HORMAN, JOYCE PAULINE (Age 84) HORMAN, KRISTIAN S (Age 56) HORMAN, KAINE ANDREW (Age 36) HORMAN, RICHARD NEIL (Age 63) HORMAN, KRISTIAN S (Age 32) HORMAN, CHRISTOPHER NEIL (Age 31) HORMAN, KRISTI B HORMAN, R N (Age 63) Wykes I will email dd, not sure when she will get it It's the 32yr old and his is a MASON Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: klaasend on June 18, 2010, 12:29:59 AM http://edmondsmasons.org/Membership/TrestleBoards/2009/Trestle%20Board.February%202009.pdf
http://home.comcast.net/~district5mjd/lodges_in_district_5.htm He is a DEACON Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: klaasend on June 18, 2010, 12:31:27 AM (http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub8/kristianhorman.jpg)
From the article posted earlier - wedding announcement http://www.enterprisenewspapers.com/article/20081119/ETP29/711199831/-1/ETPZONESHL&template=ETPZoneSHLart Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: klaasend on June 18, 2010, 12:32:48 AM This is Kristian's wife's facebook
http://www.facebook.com/#!/stoophanooph?ref=search (http://www.facebook.com/#!/stoophanooph?ref=search) Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tracygirl on June 18, 2010, 12:37:02 AM Who is the 56 year old? Maybe an uncle?
HORMAN, KRISTIAN S (Age 56) Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: klaasend on June 18, 2010, 12:38:45 AM Who is the 56 year old? Maybe an uncle? HORMAN, KRISTIAN S (Age 56) Good question Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Itaryl Moosee on June 18, 2010, 12:38:57 AM I gotta jot down a short dream I had last night.
There was a group of kids, three or four, all playing with toys on the floor of a darkish room. All of a sudden a boy who I "know" is Kyron grabs a number of giant Legos (the size of bricks) and he groups them together in a group. Then he happily says, "this is my area, this is "arizon", and he laughs jokingly at the word he just came up with. The word sounded like Arizona, but without the last "a." Like: R.E. Zone, or Arieh Zone, Arry Zone... something like that. Not sure what that means, those with dream interpretation hopefully can explain. If not, just wanted to throw it in... in case it can help this somehow. :) Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tracygirl on June 18, 2010, 12:44:28 AM I can't find the birthdate on the person arrested and given there are two with the same name?
Dah now I know what masons are. I was thinking it was a religion. I knew a guy who was in this. He was telling me about the meetings, I thought they sounded sort of strange but it didn't seem criminal. My dad told me he would have nothing to do with them, he didn't like the blackball process. anyway, don't know much else, anyone want to shed some light Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Wyks on June 18, 2010, 12:51:22 AM TG my mom sez look here-
http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/symbolism_index.htm Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tracygirl on June 18, 2010, 12:57:09 AM TG my mom sez look here- http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/symbolism_index.htm k, thanks. I will read it now Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tracygirl on June 18, 2010, 01:04:57 AM TG my mom sez look here- http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/symbolism_index.htm k, thanks. I will read it now Ok, I have read about the eye thing before on money and other symbols in our culture. So is it feared that the masons are a secret satanic cult? Wow, now I am scared. I think I will go wake up my hubby. Yikes! But it doesn't mean that Kaine is apart of this. He may have left it or never was a part of it. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tracygirl on June 18, 2010, 01:07:06 AM What other case is the name Burnett in? I have read that name associated with something on here. Is it one of the washington/oregon cases? Anyone? hmmm now that is going to bother me.
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Peace on June 18, 2010, 01:09:00 AM Oh no. Yes, Wyks, I dearly hoped this was not the case, but things are starting add up. A terrible reminder of Sandra Cantu's case, and the other Lawless family member arrested for lewd acts with a child at the same time as Huckaby...... which we never heard more about. Searching for a suitcase in the water and all. Yes, DD may have some insight as to which body of water at what street should be searched.
Unfortunately, LE may remain tight-lipped on this, possibly this is what they knew all along. Maybe this is why the FBI was on this so fast. At least they used National Guard and Black-Hawks in this war this time. Hopefully, that will be standard practice from now on in these cases. Can someone please find out when Kyron's frog project was assigned? May be relevant. Where's Edward? Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: doubledecker on June 18, 2010, 01:21:09 AM I am here
been researching this and have a lot of info hi wykes, someone came and got me... Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: CarolynV on June 18, 2010, 01:23:27 AM I missed everything that happened today, and I am all ears?
Any news? Any new news? Hi everyone. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: doubledecker on June 18, 2010, 01:24:22 AM yes we have several horman masons... father and son, kristian scott Horman born 1977. And also a Ross Horman.
the molestation 3rd degree charge is an old charge dating back to january 2009, but he was just finally sentenced on it yesterday june 16 ,2010, so he was taken into custody then. But it is not a new charge by far. I can post the info let me go get it off my board Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: doubledecker on June 18, 2010, 01:26:03 AM I highlighted this on my board and hope it transfers over here correctly but if not I will do it over here and this on can be deleted if it turns out all messed up.
gee I posted it right off and had not even read it... [size=150]this case has been going on for some time[/size]. he was just found guilty yesterday of this charge, but the charges have been ongoing for some time. [size=150]this starts in january of 2009, this case is about 1 1/2 years ago, and just now he was sentenced yesterday, june 16, 2010. So he is in jail on this charge dating back to 1 1/2 yrs ago. There is a letter from [size=150]Amanda Howards[/size], she is listed above posts. [/size][/color] Superior Court Case Summary Court: Snohomish Superior Case Number: 09-1-00140-0 Sub Docket Date Docket Code Docket Description Misc Info - 01-23-2009 COSTS ASSESSED Costs Assessed 200.00 1 [size=150]01-23-2009 INFORMATION [/size] ATP0001 Information Hupp, Halley Royal 2 [size=150]01-23-2009[/size] AFFIDAVIT/DECLARATION PROB CAUSE[/color] Affidavit/declaration Prob Cause 3 01-23-2009 OMNIBUS APPLICATION OF PROS ATTY Omnibus Application Of Pros Atty 4 01-23-2009 STATE'S LIST OF WITNESSES State's List Of Witnesses 5 01-23-2009 CERTIFICATE Certificate Of Address Search 6 01-23-2009 SUMMONS Summons 7 02-09-2009 INITIAL ARRAIGNMENT ACTION Initial Arraignment Omnibus 03-06-20099 JDG0001 Judge Ronald L Castleberry 8 02-09-2009 ORDER SETTING TRIAL DATE ACTION Order Setting Trial Date Stip Cont 5/15/09 04-24-2009JT 9 02-09-2009 ORDER Order On Release/detention Of Dfdt - 02-09-2009 NO CONTACT ORDER No Contact Order 10 02-09-2009 NO CONTACT ORDER No Contact Order 11 03-06-2009 MOTION HEARING ACTION Motion Hearing Omnibus Hearing 04-24-20099 JDG0018 Judge George N. Bowden 12 03-06-2009 AGREED TRIAL CONTINUANCE ACTION Agreed Trial Continuance Stip Cont 7/17/09 05-15-2009JT - 04-24-2009 TRIAL CONTINUED: STIPULATED Trial Continued: Stipulated 13 04-24-2009 MOTION HEARING ACTION Motion Hearing Omnibus Hearing 06-18-20099 JDG0022 Judge Michael T Downes 14 04-24-2009 AGREED TRIAL CONTINUANCE Agreed Trial Continuance 07-17-2009JT - 05-15-2009 TRIAL CONTINUED: STIPULATED Trial Continued: Stipulated 15 05-21-2009 SHERIFF'S RETURN Sheriff's Return /ncic Validation 16 06-18-2009 OMNIBUS HEARING JDG0023 Omnibus Hearing Judge Eric Z. Lucas 17 06-18-2009 OMNIBUS ORDER ACTION Omnibus Order 3.5 Hearing 07-09-2009RM ACTION Arraign On Amended Information ACTION Confirmed/dpa 30 Min 18 07-09-2009 MOTION HEARING ACTION Motion Hearing 3.5 Hearing 08-06-2009RM ACTION Arraign On Amended Information ACTION Confirmed/dpa 30 Min Plea 8/5/09 @3pm C304 JDG0022 Judge Michael T Downes 19 07-09-2009 AGREED TRIAL CONTINUANCE ACTION Agreed Trial Continuance Stip Cont 09/25/2009 08-14-2009JT - 07-17-2009 TRIAL CONTINUED: STIPULATED Trial Continued: Stipulated 21 08-05-2009 MOTION HEARING JDG0025 Motion Hearing Judge Bruce I. Weiss 22 08-05-2009 AGREED TRIAL CONTINUANCE Agreed Trial Continuance 09-25-2009JT 20 08-06-2009 STIPULATION Stipulation To Admissibility Of Statements Of Dfdt (non-custody) JDG0025 Judge Bruce I. Weiss - 08-06-2009 EX-PARTE ACTION WITHOUT ORDER Ex-parte Action Without Order 23 08-06-2009 CANCELLED: PLAINTIFF/PROS REQUESTED JDG0025 Cancelled: Plaintiff/pros Requested Judge Bruce I. Weiss - 08-14-2009 TRIAL CONTINUED: STIPULATED Trial Continued: Stipulated 24 09-25-2009 MOTION HEARING JDG0006 Motion Hearing Judge Larry E Mckeeman 25 09-25-2009 AGREED TRIAL CONTINUANCE ACTION Agreed Trial Continuance Stip Cont 01/29/2010 12-04-2009JT 26 11-30-2009 MOTION HEARING JDG0005 Motion Hearing Judge Gerald L Knight 27 11-30-2009 AGREED TRIAL CONTINUANCE Agreed Trial Continuance 01-29-2010JT - 12-04-2009 TRIAL CONTINUED: STIPULATED Trial Continued: Stipulated 28 01-29-2010 MOTION HEARING ACTION Motion Hearing Arraign On Amended Info 02-26-2010RM ACTION Status Check Hearing ACTION Confirmed/dpa 10 Mins JDG0019 Judge Ellen J. Fair 29 01-29-2010 AGREED TRIAL CONTINUANCE ACTION Agreed Trial Continuance Stip Cont 4/23/2010 04-16-2010JT - 01-29-2010 TRIAL CONTINUED: STIPULATED Trial Continued: Stipulated 30 02-26-2010 MOTION HEARING JDG0022 Motion Hearing Judge Michael T Downes 31 02-26-2010 ORDER FOR HEARING ACTION Order For Hearing Arraign On Amended Information 03-25-2010RM ACTION Confirmed/dpa 10 Mins 32 03-25-2010 MOTION HEARING JDG0026 Motion Hearing Judge George Appel - 03-25-2010 Arraign On Amended Information 33 03-29-2010 MOTION HEARING Motion Hearing Quash Warrant Hrg: Order On Release Dated 2/9/09 Shall Remain In Effect JDG0013 Judge Thomas J. Wynne 34 03-29-2010 ORDER SETTING TRIAL DATE Order Setting Trial Date Noted Above 4/16/2010 35 04-13-2010 NOTE FOR CALENDAR ACTION Note For Calendar Motion To Continue Hearing 04-15-2010RM ACTION Confirmed/dpa 10 Min 36 04-13-2010 NOTE FOR MOTION DOCKET-LATE FILING Note For Motion Docket-late Filing Noted Above 4/15/10 @8:45am C304 37 04-15-2010 MOTION HEARING JDG0001 Motion Hearing Judge Ronald L Castleberry 38 04-15-2010 AGREED TRIAL CONTINUANCE Agreed Trial Continuance 04-23-2010JT - 04-15-2010 ORDER FOR HEARING Order For Hearing Plea 4/21/10 @3pm C304 - 04-16-2010 TRIAL CONTINUED: STIPULATED Trial Continued: Stipulated 39 04-21-2010 AMENDED INFORMATION Amended Information 40 04-21-2010 EVIDENTIARY HEARING Evidentiary Hearing Dfdt Stipulates To A Bench Trial On Agreed Documentray Evidence JDG0001 Judge Ronald L Castleberry 41 04-21-2010 STIPULATION Stipulation For Bench Trial On Agreed Documentary Evidence With Attachments 42 04-21-2010 ORDER SETTING Order Setting Sentencing 1pm Dept 9 Judge Castleberry 06-16-2010JC 43 04-21-2010 PRESENTENCE INVESTIGATION ORDER Presentence Investigation Order 44 06-16-2010 STIPULATED TRIAL Stipulated Trial Court Finds Dfdt Guilty Of 3rd Deg JDG0001 Judge Ronald L Castleberry [size=150]Child Molestation [/size]- 06-16-2010 TRIAL DURATION ____.__ HRS Trial Duration 30 Mins 45 06-16-2010 FINDINGS OF FACT&CONCLUSIONS OF LAW Findings Of Fact&conclusions Of Law [size=150]Guilty Of 3rd Deg Child Molestation [/size] Upon Stipulated Bench Trial: Dfdt [size=150]46 06-16-2010 SENTENCING HEARING [/size] JDG0001 Sentencing Hearing Judge Ronald L Castleberry 47 06-16-2010 REPORT Doc Presentence Investiagtion Rprt 48 06-16-2010 MEMORANDUM Dfdt's Presentence Memorandum 49 06-16-2010 INSTRUCTIONS Instructions Re Lfo's 50 06-16-2010 VICTIM STATEMENT Victim Statement 51 06-16-2010 LETTER Letter From Amanda Howards 52 06-16-2010 LETTER Letters Regarding Sentencing 53 06-16-2010 ORDER OF COMMITMENT Order Of Commitment -temp - 06-16-2010 ORDER REQ BLOOD TESTS Order Req Blood Tests 54 06-16-2010 ORDER FOR SEXUAL ASSAULT PROTECTION Order For Sexual Assault Protection 55 06-16-2010 ORDER FOR HIV (AIDS) TEST Order For Hiv (aids) Test - 06-16-2010 ORDER REQ BLOOD TESTS Order Req Blood Tests - 06-17-2010 COMMENT ENTRY Copy Of Orsxp Sent To Scso W/lea 56 06-17-2010 REPORT Doc Presentence Investigation Rprt Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: klaasend on June 18, 2010, 01:28:33 AM DD - was Amanda the victim? Trying to see what his preference is.
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: doubledecker on June 18, 2010, 01:31:40 AM DD - was Amanda the victim? Trying to see what his preference is. there is an older amanda about the age of kristian, I believe it is probably the x-wfe, and will find out. his daughter has a different name so is not his 15 yr old daughter. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: klaasend on June 18, 2010, 01:32:44 AM DD are you saying that he has been in jail all this time?
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: doubledecker on June 18, 2010, 01:34:34 AM there are two kristian hormans, one is 56 yrs old(according to a not so credible data base, but there is a pic of an older one in the masons who is at least that age, so I do believe there are two and one is probably that age. he is listed with the younger one also, so they are related somehow. probably kristian's uncle, but still looking
Greenwood Masonic Center 7910 Greenwood Ave N, Seattle, WA 98103 Meets on the 1st Thursday of each month at 7:00 p.m. (If a Holiday, then the 3rd Thursday). January and November meeting starts at 5:00 p.m. Dark July and August. (Contact) Officers for 2006 Worshipful Master WB Michael L. Ellsworth [size=150]Senior Warden Bro. Neil Horman [/size] Junior Warden Bro. Leonard T. Hutchinson Secretary WB Roger Pankey Treasurer WB Bill A. Burnett Chaplain Bro. Herbie E. Martin Marshall Bro. Ralph Meyers Musician WB David Clarke [size=150]Senior Deacon Bro. Kristian Horman [/size] Junior Deacon Bro. Robert Cittadini Senior Steward Bro. Ross Horman Junior Steward Bro. Aaron Ellsworth-Krebs Tyler WB Richard C. McMillan Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: doubledecker on June 18, 2010, 01:36:52 AM in the edmonds lodge there is
Bro Kristian Horman, WB Neil Horman the kristian in this one is the older one. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: doubledecker on June 18, 2010, 01:38:53 AM there are two kristian hormans, one is 56 yrs old(according to a not so credible data base, but there is a pic of an older one in the masons who is at least that age, so I do believe there are two and one is probably that age. he is listed with the younger one also, so they are related somehow. probably kristian's uncle, but still looking Greenwood Masonic Center 7910 Greenwood Ave N, Seattle, WA 98103 Meets on the 1st Thursday of each month at 7:00 p.m. (If a Holiday, then the 3rd Thursday). January and November meeting starts at 5:00 p.m. Dark July and August. (Contact) Officers for 2006 Worshipful Master WB Michael L. Ellsworth [size=150]Senior Warden Bro. Neil Horman [/size] Junior Warden Bro. Leonard T. Hutchinson Secretary WB Roger Pankey Treasurer WB Bill A. Burnett Chaplain Bro. Herbie E. Martin Marshall Bro. Ralph Meyers Musician WB David Clarke [size=150]Senior Deacon Bro. Kristian Horman [/size] Junior Deacon Bro. Robert Cittadini Senior Steward Bro. Ross Horman Junior Steward Bro. Aaron Ellsworth-Krebs Tyler WB Richard C. McMillan now wait a minute here I MIGHT have a mistake here. neil might not be kristian's father, because his father's name is actually richard neil so let me recheck this. too many names the same in this family...one of those families where they have 8 names they name EVERYONE ugh.. makes it hard to sort out. I'll get it together though at some point Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: doubledecker on June 18, 2010, 01:41:19 AM DD are you saying that he has been in jail all this time? no I don't think he has been in the jail all this time, have jessstar read the court order up at the top of this but I believe he was released early on after the warrant and arraignment, then he got sentenced yesterday and taken into custody because he was sentenced. but let jessstar confirm that is what it says. I am pretty sure he was out. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: doubledecker on June 18, 2010, 01:42:38 AM 9 02-09-2009 ORDER Order On Release/detention Of Dfdt - 02-09-2009 NO CONTACT ORDER No Contact Order
10 02-09-2009 NO CONTACT ORDER No Contact Order Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: doubledecker on June 18, 2010, 01:46:32 AM klaas or anyone....
can you please go up to my post 575 and 577, and in RED where I added "kristians father" after neil horman, could you remove that... because if this is wrong, someone will copy that whole thing and that will end up incorrect and all over the net. thanks. I'll check to make sure and then post if that is his father or not Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tracygirl on June 18, 2010, 01:52:24 AM FYI So if I am reading this correctly....so a person is guilty of this if they have caused 2 minors to have sexual contact? Am I understanding this? if so, WTH??
http://apps.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=9A.44.089 RCW 9A.44.089 Child molestation in the third degree. (1) A person is guilty of child molestation in the third degree when the person has, or knowingly causes another person under the age of eighteen to have, sexual contact with another who is at least fourteen years old but less than sixteen years old and not married to the perpetrator and the perpetrator is at least forty-eight months older than the victim. (2) Child molestation in the third degree is a class C felony. [1994 c 271 § 305; 1988 c 145 § 7.] Notes: Intent -- 1994 c 271: See note following RCW 9A.44.010. Purpose -- Severability -- 1994 c 271: See notes following RCW 9A.28.020. Effective date -- Savings -- Application -- 1988 c 145: See notes following RCW 9A.44.010 Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: doubledecker on June 18, 2010, 01:57:10 AM that is how I read it Tracy.
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: doubledecker on June 18, 2010, 01:59:10 AM okay seems richard neil horman and Neil R horman are the same person
same birthdates. Same addresses and same address at kristian S Horman who is born 1977, who is the one in jail now. so it looks like neil might be richard neil, but still not sure if that is the same in the mason photo. [size=150]Name: Neil R Horman [/size][size=150]Birth Date: 1 Sep 1951 [/size] Address: 1224 NE 183rd St, Shoreline, WA, 98155-3747 (1986) Name: Richard Neil Norman [Richard Neil Horman] Birth Date: 1 Sep 1951 [17 Apr 1947] Address: 1224 NE 183rd St, Shoreline, WA, 98155-3747 (1992) and here is kristian at the same address Name: Kristian S Horman Birth Date: 14 Jul 1977 Address: 1224 NE 183rd St City: Shoreline State: WA Zip Code: 98155-3747 Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tracygirl on June 18, 2010, 02:03:14 AM that is how I read it Tracy. ugghh thats sick....on this note I am going to sleep now. The things people are capible of will never stop amazing me. <insert monkey shaking head> Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: doubledecker on June 18, 2010, 02:52:24 AM I'll look more tomorrow have to get some sleep
but I found richard neil horman is an author and a couple of his stories are downright eerie when you think about this case. if you look at all of the names and the content and subject matter of some of these stories, just really eerie... one is about going out to look for a frog and getting lost. and when someone goes to find him they see a foot print. just downright weird. all of the names in these stories are of kyron's family... http://northwesttales.com/ Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: cartfly on June 18, 2010, 02:54:19 AM TG my mom sez look here- http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/symbolism_index.htm Just catching up after falling behind in my real life last week. All I can say is OMG so much has been covered here in a short time! So many different directions, my head is spinning.... OT somewhat- Hey, Wyks- we need you here!! I so enjoy reading your post and your honest insight in these cases. Take a day to go pull some weeds and get back here! (monkey hugs) I do not know a whole lot about what you were exposed to in the past but know the subject of masons is personal for you. I have read a little about the speculation of Masons and their activites. But I must share this with you: When my youngest son was hurt in a kitchen accident and burned over 38% of his body, we were sent to the Shriners Burn Hospital in Galveston. C*** was only 8 months old and there were no pediatric burn hospitals in my state. The Shriners Doctors and Nurses have been my angels on earth. They saved my son and I am not exaggerating in any way. These incredible doctors and nurses gave me back my son to hold and kiss again. Without them, I do feel he would be with us today. When, we first arrived, I tried to give my insurance card to them and the nurse said to me, "No, mam,we do not take your insurance. There will not be any charge to you and we will care for C*** till he is 18 years old." If it hadn't been for the Shriners, our insurance would have maxed out and we probably would have lost our home. We did pay to be airlifted to Galveston ($15 K) but that was nothing compared to what it cost while he was there. C*** has alot of scarring on the chest and his arms, but his little face is beautiful because of these doctors. He is your normal little 7year old and I thank God everyday for the state of the art care the Shriners provided and continue to so. I know this may contradict what you believe about some of these groups, but for me it would be hard to believe the Shriners but good in this world. The things I saw in that hospital were nothing short of miraculous. I felt like the entire staff were there doing Gods work and saving injured children. I do think these cults exist, but I can't believe anything bad about the people who saved my son. I just wanted to share that experience with you. Now, go pull some weeds and get you butt back here :) We need you and miss you! (monkey hugs) Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: cartfly on June 18, 2010, 03:04:55 AM someone by the name of Kristian Horman was arrested yesterday for child molestation in Snohomish County...not sure if this person is related to Kyron or not, but he is being held without bail..i am working on getting a link..they are talking about it over on insessions.. http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?t=369365&page=10 Thanks Sunshine, great find!! Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: seahorse on June 18, 2010, 07:29:43 AM http://blogs.wweek.com/news/2010/06/17/sources-search-for-kyron-horman-focuses-on-step-mom-cell-records/ Sources: Search for Kyron Horman Focuses on Step-Mom, Cell Records June 17, 2010 (http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4020/4709790953_47d24219e4.jpg) As the search for 7-year-old Kyron Horman continues, one of the most puzzling aspects has been rescue teams’ repeated and intensive searches of Sauvie Island. The island is more than five miles from rural Skyline Elementary School, where Horman was reported missing June 4. But rescuers on horseback, on foot and in dive teams have repeatedly scoured the island beginning around June 10 and continuing this week — even after Multnomah County Sheriff Dan Staton called off other major search operations last Sunday. WW has learned that federal, county and city law-enforcement officials say the reason for the search of Sauvie Island is that cell-phone records reveal Kyron’s step-mother, Terri Moulton Horman, may have been on the island the day he disappeared. And as searchers comb the island, law-enforcement officials say the investigation is increasingly focusing on the step-mother, because of problems with her account of what she was doing the day Kyron went missing. This information comes from five separate law-enforcement officials from agencies at the city, county and federal level. To our knowledge, none is directly involved with the investigation. But several said they’ve heard the same or similar accounts from multiple officials in the law-enforcement community. All agreed that Terri Moulton Horman has become a main focus of police attention because of problems with her story. Four of the sources say they’ve heard Horman’s story doesn’t jibe with her cell-phone records from June 4. Cell phones send off a signal called a “ping” to the nearest cell-phone tower when the phone is in use. With the help of cell-phone companies, law-enforcement officials and rescuers can use those signals to locate people (there’s an explanation from the Chicago Tribune here). Horman has been the source of public speculation since early in the investigation. She reported seeing Kyron last in a school hallway about 8:45 a.m., when she says she was leaving him at the school and he was on his way to his homeroom. Skeptics latched on to the fact Horman wrote on her Facebook page she was “hitting the gym.” To some, that seemed out of character for a parent with a missing child. Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office officials explained at a news conference that they’d told the family to continue their normal routine and try to stay healthy. Members of the family spoke out for the first time publicly at a news conference June 11, but they did not take questions from reporters. Terri Moulton Horman is the second woman from the left in the photo below. She’s seen comforting Kyron’s biological mother, Desiree Young. (http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4070/4691214267_e62d0488b4.jpg) Hi Monkey's, What a cute photo of Kyron with a package of seed's! I dearly hope he is still with us. We are praying for you, Kyron! Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: seahorse on June 18, 2010, 07:39:41 AM I have said from the beginning that SM's story did not make sense to me. I really think that something is wrong in the story. I know people are saying that she posted the gym comment because she was told to go about her normal life while the police were investigating - sorry, but I MAY have gone to the gym to work off anxiety but I would not post it on facebook. I agree with you, from the beginning I was suspicious of the step mom.NoRose, Boyz & Monkey's, How could SM type accurately or operate a car with her son missing? I know Kyron is a Step-Son, she raised the child since when he was a Baby, is that correct? Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: JessStar on June 18, 2010, 07:49:44 AM DD are you saying that he has been in jail all this time? no I don't think he has been in the jail all this time, have jessstar read the court order up at the top of this but I believe he was released early on after the warrant and arraignment, then he got sentenced yesterday and taken into custody because he was sentenced. but let jessstar confirm that is what it says. I am pretty sure he was out. This tells me he was out: 9 02-09-2009 ORDER Order On Release/detention Of Dfdt * * * 33 03-29-2010 MOTION HEARING Motion Hearing Quash Warrant Hrg: Order On Release Dated 2/9/09 Shall Remain In Effect Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: JessStar on June 18, 2010, 07:55:06 AM FYI So if I am reading this correctly....so a person is guilty of this if they have caused 2 minors to have sexual contact? Am I understanding this? if so, WTH?? http://apps.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=9A.44.089 RCW 9A.44.089 Child molestation in the third degree. (1) A person is guilty of child molestation in the third degree when the person has, or knowingly causes another person under the age of eighteen to have, sexual contact with another who is at least fourteen years old but less than sixteen years old and not married to the perpetrator and the perpetrator is at least forty-eight months older than the victim. (2) Child molestation in the third degree is a class C felony. [1994 c 271 § 305; 1988 c 145 § 7.] Notes: Intent -- 1994 c 271: See note following RCW 9A.44.010. Purpose -- Severability -- 1994 c 271: See notes following RCW 9A.28.020. Effective date -- Savings -- Application -- 1988 c 145: See notes following RCW 9A.44.010 This makes perfect sense, TG. It's to cover those situations where an adult "causes" minors to engage in sexual activity for the "adult's" sexual gratification; in other words, so he/she can watch. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: JessStar on June 18, 2010, 08:03:07 AM This is the guy:
Offender Name: KRISTIAN SCOTT HORMAN Offender ID: 552430 Date of Birth: 07/14/1977 Age: 32 Custody Status: In Custody Location of Offender: Snohomish County Correctional Facility Race: White Gender: Male https://www.vinelink.com/vinelink/detailsAction.do?siteId=48626&agency=47&id=552430&searchType=offender Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: marycat on June 18, 2010, 08:23:04 AM This is pure speculation, but I have been wondering WHY the older brother (James) went to the grandparents and, if the SM had asomething to do with Kyron's disappearance, WHY? Then, I read the post about the Northwest Tales (good post, btw) and I got this crazy idea.
Sexual Abuse victims often becomes an offender SOs often marry women with children The tales are called "Tokens of Trust" (a SO's MO) The 3 kids in the stories are Richard's grandchildren - 2 STEP grandchildren (Quinn and Micaela) and one (Meagan) who I assume to be Kristian's, but not sure. What if Kristian and Kaine were victim's of child abuse many years ago, Kristian gets arrested for it, the SM gets spooked and sends her own son away, then decides to "save" Kyron, the stepson she has raised from infancy. Save him by hiding him or even sending him to a "better place" - anywhere from a friend's place to the network of people who hide endangered children (explains the FBI involvement) to "heaven". Would this account for the police originally characterizing it as missing, endangered child? Hinting it wasn't a stranger abduction? The seemingly strange behavior of the SM? Could this account for the teacher's behavior (who SM worked with as a reading specialist volunteer)? Could she have been aware that there was a problem in the home and was helping the SM? IDK, but I have always thought the SM's story was off and thought she either had something to do with Kyron's disappearance or knew more about it than the public was being told, but now I see where she could have a different motive, a good one even. I think it is interesting also that one of Richard's stories is about Terri, the RED HEADED squirrel. I wonder what the plot of that story is? Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 18, 2010, 08:30:04 AM Wow, just got caught up, and don't know what to say. Wyks, I'm so sorry you are upset HUGS Hopefully today little Kyron will be found.
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: seahorse on June 18, 2010, 09:30:56 AM Monkey's, Is Kyron's photo on front cover of People? This week issue or next week's issue? T.Y.
http://www.kptv.com/news/23941549/detail.html People Magazine Features Kyron Case POSTED: 6:45 pm PDT June 17, 2010 UPDATED: 7:56 pm PDT June 17, 2010 facebookdel.icio.usbuzzdiggreddit› PORTLAND, Ore. -- Millions more people will see the face of a missing Portland boy as the new issue of People Magazine hits newsstands this week. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: theboyzmom on June 18, 2010, 10:12:52 AM I have said from the beginning that SM's story did not make sense to me. I really think that something is wrong in the story. I know people are saying that she posted the gym comment because she was told to go about her normal life while the police were investigating - sorry, but I MAY have gone to the gym to work off anxiety but I would not post it on facebook. I agree with you, from the beginning I was suspicious of the step mom.NoRose, Boyz & Monkey's, How could SM type accurately or operate a car with her son missing? I know Kyron is a Step-Son, she raised the child since when he was a Baby, is that correct? That is my understanding. I just know that if my step kids (two of who are LOSERS) were missing I would not be able to function - even if it was just because of the he** my hubby would be going through. I just do not get her. I know people react differently to different situations but I do think there is a common thread for all human behavior. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Roxie on June 18, 2010, 11:01:18 AM http://edmondsmasons.org/ Roster Edmonds Lodge 165 2009 Officers 2006 Master: Sr. Warden: Jr. Warden: Treasurer: Secretary: Sr. Deacon: Jr. Deacon: Sr. Steward: Jr. Steward: Marshal: Chaplain: Tyler: WB R. Neil Horman Vacant Bro. Kristian Horman WB David Hoffman WB Roger Barnstead Bro. Jeffrey Jorgenson Bro. Ron Long Bro. Paul Rand Bro. Dennis Killian Bro. Franz Jocelyn WB Louis Sackett VWB Steve Pennington Roster Edmonds Lodge 165 2008 Officers 2006 Master: Sr. Warden: Jr. Warden: Secretary: Treasurer: Sr. Deacon: Jr. Deacon: Sr. Steward: Jr. Steward: Marshal: Chaplain: Tyler: WB Roger Barnstead Bro. R. Neil Horman Bro. Thomas Lamb WB Tom Stone WB David Hoffman Bro. Kristian Horman Bro. Thomas Bice Bro. Jeffrey Jorgenson Bro. Sean Douglass Bro. Ross Horman WB Louis Sackett WB Loren W. Halseth Roster Edmonds Lodge 165 2007 Officers 2006 Master: Sr. Warden: Jr. Warden: Secretary: Treasurer: Sr. Deacon: Jr. Deacon: Sr. Steward: Jr. Steward: Marshal: Chaplain: Tyler: WB Ron Johnson Bro. Louis Leatham Bro. Clifton Spillman WB Tom Stone WB David Hoffman WB John Woodbury Bro. David Faulds Bro. Ross Horman Bro. Steven Carter WB Roger Barnstead Bro. Bill Lazarus WB Shane Day Roster Edmonds Lodge 165 2006 Officers 2006 Master: Sr. Warden: Jr. Warden: Secretary: Treasurer: Sr. Deacon: Jr. Deacon: Sr. Steward: Jr. Steward: Marshal: Chaplain: Tyler: WB Shane Day Bro. Clifton Spillman Bro. Louis Leatham WB Tom Stone WB David Hoffman Bro. Bill Lazarus Bro. Loren Scott Bro. David Faults Bro. Steven Carter WB Roger Barnstead WB John Woodbury WB James Norton Back Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: cookie on June 18, 2010, 11:08:27 AM I have said from the beginning that SM's story did not make sense to me. I really think that something is wrong in the story. I know people are saying that she posted the gym comment because she was told to go about her normal life while the police were investigating - sorry, but I MAY have gone to the gym to work off anxiety but I would not post it on facebook. I agree with you, from the beginning I was suspicious of the step mom.NoRose, Boyz & Monkey's, How could SM type accurately or operate a car with her son missing? I know Kyron is a Step-Son, she raised the child since when he was a Baby, is that correct? That is my understanding. I just know that if my step kids (two of who are LOSERS) were missing I would not be able to function - even if it was just because of the he** my hubby would be going through. I just do not get her. I know people react differently to different situations but I do think there is a common thread for all human behavior. agreed.... Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: JessStar on June 18, 2010, 11:28:18 AM FoxNews just did a spot on Kyron. They "confirmed" that stepmom is reportedly the focus right now due to inconstent statements and the cell phone pings on Sauvie Island. Of course, I imagine someone else could have had her cellphone, but maybe that's part of her inconsistency. What a strange case. Goes to show you how true it is that you can't judge a book by its cover. We learn that time and time and time again.
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 18, 2010, 11:32:39 AM FoxNews just did a spot on Kyron. They "confirmed" that stepmom is reportedly the focus right now due to inconstent statements and the cell phone pings on Sauvie Island. Of course, I imagine someone else could have had her cellphone, but maybe that's part of her inconsistency. What a strange case. Goes to show you how true it is that you can't judge a book by its cover. We learn that time and time and time again. That sure is true, and this is a very strange case. I have been uncomfortable with the stepmother from the beginning.Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: ScareyCarrie on June 18, 2010, 11:54:38 AM FoxNews just did a spot on Kyron. They "confirmed" that stepmom is reportedly the focus right now due to inconstent statements and the cell phone pings on Sauvie Island. Of course, I imagine someone else could have had her cellphone, but maybe that's part of her inconsistency. What a strange case. Goes to show you how true it is that you can't judge a book by its cover. We learn that time and time and time again. That sure is true, and this is a very strange case. I have been uncomfortable with the stepmother from the beginning.Hello NoRose, I miss you! This is such a sad case :( i dont feel he is still alive sadly. I see this happen so much all over, but this one is so close to home, very scary. I am not sure if it has been answered or not but in regards to the step father poss being a medford detective, i have never met or seen him, i know A LOT of our detectives, related to a few, related to a couple cops here, and go camping with many of the detectives, pd, swat and all sorts of our LE and have never seen or heard of him. Doesnt mean he for sure isnt a detective here just my personal experience Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: seahorse on June 18, 2010, 12:14:41 PM http://www.aolnews.com/crime/article/kyron-hormans-stepmom-terri-moulton-horman-under-scrutiny-in-missing-child-case/19521940?ncid=webmail
The photo of SM she has that "fixed stare" all the culprit's have that forelorn look. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Bud's Girl on June 18, 2010, 12:20:30 PM (June 18) -- The search for missing 7-year-old Kyron Horman is now focused on the boy's stepmother, Terri Moulton Horman. Two weeks after the little boy disappeared from his Oregon elementary school, Willamette Week reports that investigators have determined that Moulton Horman was not where she said she was on the day her stepson vanished. .....more at: http://www.aolnews.com/crime/article/kyron-hormans-stepmom-terri-moulton-horman-under-scrutiny-in-missing-child-case/19521940?icid=main|htmlws-main-n|dl1|link3|http%3A%2F%2Fwww.aolnews.com%2Fcrime%2Farticle%2Fkyron-hormans-stepmom-terri-moulton-horman-under-scrutiny-in-missing-child-case%2F19521940 Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 18, 2010, 12:21:37 PM FoxNews just did a spot on Kyron. They "confirmed" that stepmom is reportedly the focus right now due to inconstent statements and the cell phone pings on Sauvie Island. Of course, I imagine someone else could have had her cellphone, but maybe that's part of her inconsistency. What a strange case. Goes to show you how true it is that you can't judge a book by its cover. We learn that time and time and time again. That sure is true, and this is a very strange case. I have been uncomfortable with the stepmother from the beginning.Hello NoRose, I miss you! This is such a sad case :( i dont feel he is still alive sadly. I see this happen so much all over, but this one is so close to home, very scary. I am not sure if it has been answered or not but in regards to the step father poss being a medford detective, i have never met or seen him, i know A LOT of our detectives, related to a few, related to a couple cops here, and go camping with many of the detectives, pd, swat and all sorts of our LE and have never seen or heard of him. Doesnt mean he for sure isnt a detective here just my personal experience Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 18, 2010, 12:23:00 PM http://www.aolnews.com/crime/article/kyron-hormans-stepmom-terri-moulton-horman-under-scrutiny-in-missing-child-case/19521940?ncid=webmail I hear you, there is just something that don't sit well with her, can't exactly pin point what it is.The photo of SM she has that "fixed stare" all the culprit's have that forelorn look. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Deenie on June 18, 2010, 12:38:54 PM Hi Monkeys,
Trying to catch up here. I found this Newsletter - Dated Feb 2009 pdf: http://edmondsmasons.org/Membership/TrestleBoards/2009/Trestle%20Board.February%202009.pdf snipped: Written by Kristian Horman - His thanks to his " Brethren" for allowing him to begin his " Mason career" Illumination from the South Greetings from the South, Thank you to all the Brethren who have allowed me to take this step in my Masonic career. I am looking forward to the year ahead. February 12th brings back the Heroes of 76 and their wonderful flag presentation. Preceding the presentation our wonderful Stewards will be preparing a meal of Red Beans and Rice with Sausage which will be served starting at 6:30 pm. March 12th will be our meal to celebrate Saint Patrick’s Day, a traditional meal of Corned Beef and Cabbage will be served at 6:30 pm April 9th harkens us back to the high seas and a time when Swashbucklers toted their wares and Pirates ruled the high seas. Bring your eye patch and join us for Talk Like a Pirate night. The Cooks inform me that the food will be hot, brown and there will be plenty of it. Grog starts flowing at 6:30 pm. Bro. Kristian Horman Junior Warden -- snipped:same link above page 1 of the news letter is Greetings from the East We started out the year talking about what the one thing is that you can do to help insure that Edmonds Lodge No. 165 is alive and well in 100 years. One of the key assets for the lodge is our Lodge building. It is known by many names: the Opera House, the Edmonds Masonic Center, and to some the Edmonds Masonic Temple. Written by WB R. Neil Horman Master Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 18, 2010, 12:50:37 PM Thanks Deenie.
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: ScareyCarrie on June 18, 2010, 12:58:58 PM i was reading on blinks newest article and some says kyron found step mom arrested, with link to an article that only says that, comment under that article said a wife of a police man told her...
dont know if this is true just what is being said... Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: ScareyCarrie on June 18, 2010, 12:59:51 PM http://www.sodahead.com/united-states/breaking-news-kyrons-found-on-sauvies-island-step-mother-arrested/question-1065881/
link to article http://blinkoncrime.com/2010/06/17/kyron-horman-case-uncle-kristian-horman-is-arrested-for-child-molestation/#comments link to blink... comment #29 Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: ScareyCarrie on June 18, 2010, 01:02:22 PM not sure what to think, this happened the other day also, with false reporting.... any thoughts?
that article was very vague with no evidence or sources.... Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Itaryl Moosee on June 18, 2010, 01:11:16 PM Portland Tribune reports that parents and students of Skyline are being sent a questionaire, asking (among other things) if they saw Kyron in a white Ford F250 truck the morning he disappeared.
http://www.portlandtribune.com/news/story.php?story_id=127687387448812800 Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Deenie on June 18, 2010, 01:22:17 PM Thanks Deenie. This is the link to the Brothers of .... http://edmondsmasons.org/ If you go to the site the Horman's both Kristian and elder WM R. Neil Horman are all over the site. It appears that WM R. Neil Horman is no longer on their roster. He is listed as previous year Master - he has been replaced as of 2010. Go to side bar Community ( I would put up a link, but the links do not change no matter where you are in this site ) Where they Honor the Local Police and Fire Edmonds Lodge #165 is pleased to honor our community Police and Fire Fighters annually. Recognition Night 2009 Pictures are taken in Oct 2009 I think that on the very bottom is a photo of Kristian Horman - serving plates to the local Police and Fire personnel. They all look so friendly .. I wonder how friendly. Friends in High Places hmm. I wonder why Kristian Horman was still allowed to be in his rank of the Brother's with his charges of molesting one of his own. ( even if it was a step child) He was a Deacon in 2008. 2009 He became a Jr. Warden. 2010 He is not listed on the roster. All this brotherhood crap and power that these people generate by pushing themselves into places " such as the LE depts and schools" is just ... (I don't like it) Not to mention the religious aspect that they create as if they are "holier than thou" and represent some type of worship within their " agenda/group". That they are untouchable and above the law. ... It all brings back " The Lawless and the connections of Wenatchee " .... uck. All of it. I wonder if this Mason Group had any affiliation with Kyron's school. ( of any kind) Their Calender of Events for June 2010 June 2010 6/2 Edmonds Center Assoc. Meeting & Officers meeting 7:00 PM 6/3 Analia, OES 7:30 PM 6/7 Rainbow Alderwood #55 Meeting, 7:30 PM 6/9 MW Grand Lodge F&AM Annual Communication, Grand Mound Washington 6/10 MW Grand Lodge F&AM Annual Communication, Grand Mound Washington 6/11 MW Grand Lodge F&AM Annual Communication, Grand Mound Washington 6/17 Snohomish County 15 RAM, Potluck 6:30 PM, Meeting 7:30 PM 6/19 Edmonds ,BBQ and Festive Table Lodge 7:00 PM (Polo) 6/21 Job's Daughters, Bethel #5 Meeting, 7:30 PM 6/22 Rainbow Alderwood #55 Meeting, 7:30 PM 6/24 Edmonds Stated Meeting, MM Degree 7:00(Tux) -- Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Itaryl Moosee on June 18, 2010, 01:25:16 PM Kyron's case will be featured in AMW this Saturday night.
People Magazine had Kyron's picture on the front cover. Not sure that it is so visible, since they have two bigger pictures of young and muscly guys. But, it's good exposure. The Sheriff warns that some ******* people are pretending to be with the local search and are asking for donations from unsuspecting people. The search is still centered around Sauvie Island. http://www.kgw.com/news/Second-grade-student-missing-from-Skyline-Elementary-95670454.html Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Deenie on June 18, 2010, 01:35:48 PM The Grand Master's Itinerary http://www.freemason-wa.org/GrandMasterItinerary.aspx
For the Month of June 2010 snipped: Date Day Time Activity Dress Ladies 1 Tues 2 Wed Grand Lodge of Oregon Team U 3 Thu Grand Lodge of Oregon Team U 4 Fri Grand Lodge of Oregon Team U 5 Sat Grand Lodge of Oregon - Travel Day Team U 6 Sun 7 Mon 8 Tues 8:00 AM Grand Lodge of Washington, Grand Mound Team U 9 Wed 8:00 AM Grand Lodge of Washington, Grand Mound, Jurisprudence Mtg Team U 10 Thu 8:00 AM Grand Lodge of Washington, Grand Mound MC Team U 11 Fri 8:00 AM Grand Lodge of Washington, Grand Mound MC Team U 12 Sat 10:30 AM Grand Lodge of Washington, Grand Mound, EXCOM MC Team U Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: doubledecker on June 18, 2010, 01:37:56 PM DD are you saying that he has been in jail all this time? no I don't think he has been in the jail all this time, have jessstar read the court order up at the top of this but I believe he was released early on after the warrant and arraignment, then he got sentenced yesterday and taken into custody because he was sentenced. but let jessstar confirm that is what it says. I am pretty sure he was out. This tells me he was out: 9 02-09-2009 ORDER Order On Release/detention Of Dfdt * * * 33 03-29-2010 MOTION HEARING Motion Hearing Quash Warrant Hrg: Order On Release Dated 2/9/09 Shall Remain In Effect thanks jessstar, just as I thought, but I like to get some confirmation on the important things. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tracygirl on June 18, 2010, 01:38:21 PM I am going to wait for a source outside of a "gossip site" or a blog to report that the step mom is the center of the investigation. I know Fox reported it but they were using that blog as information. I am going to wait. I know it is difficult to not react to this news, but as it is now, it is unconfirmed. Given this case has had so many rumors surrounding it, I think for me it is the way to go. Perhaps I am stupid, I don't know. I don't like to be reactive and then later have to feel like crap for pointing the fingers at an innocent person.
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tracygirl on June 18, 2010, 01:40:56 PM FYI So if I am reading this correctly....so a person is guilty of this if they have caused 2 minors to have sexual contact? Am I understanding this? if so, WTH?? http://apps.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=9A.44.089 RCW 9A.44.089 Child molestation in the third degree. (1) A person is guilty of child molestation in the third degree when the person has, or knowingly causes another person under the age of eighteen to have, sexual contact with another who is at least fourteen years old but less than sixteen years old and not married to the perpetrator and the perpetrator is at least forty-eight months older than the victim. (2) Child molestation in the third degree is a class C felony. [1994 c 271 § 305; 1988 c 145 § 7.] Notes: Intent -- 1994 c 271: See note following RCW 9A.44.010. Purpose -- Severability -- 1994 c 271: See notes following RCW 9A.28.020. Effective date -- Savings -- Application -- 1988 c 145: See notes following RCW 9A.44.010 This makes perfect sense, TG. It's to cover those situations where an adult "causes" minors to engage in sexual activity for the "adult's" sexual gratification; in other words, so he/she can watch. Oh my god Jess that is so upsetting. This person, the uncle of this boy was charged with a crime of encouraging two minors to have sex? As he watched? He is a very sick man, very sick. WTH is wrong with some people! Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tracygirl on June 18, 2010, 01:43:04 PM The stories of the grandfather gives me goosebumps. Oh I have a feeling this case is going to a place even more disturbing then I first thought.
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: seahorse on June 18, 2010, 02:17:56 PM Skyline students, parents asked about Kyron again
School questionnaire also seeks information on a white Ford pickup By Jim Redden The Portland Tribune, Jun 18, 2010, Updated 2.6 hours ago (3 Reader comments) Snip... The questionnaire was prepared by the Multnomah County Sheriffs Office. A copy was obtained by KPAM 860. It asks students about seeing Kyron at the school on Friday, June 4, and whether they saw him in a white Ford F250 pickup truck. Kyron's stepmother, Terri Moulton Horman, owns a similar truck and took him to the school that morning. Media outlets reported that a white Ford pickup was towed from the Horman home several days ago, but sheriff's office officials said it was because of mechanical trouble. Snip.. http://www.portlandtribune.com/news/story.php?story_id=127687387448812800 (Pretty slick of the Sheriff's Office to pass out questionnaires to the students)-ME Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tracygirl on June 18, 2010, 02:20:15 PM Does anyone have the photo handy of the pick up truck?
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: MuffyBee on June 18, 2010, 02:22:30 PM I can't find the birthdate on the person arrested and given there are two with the same name? Dah now I know what masons are. I was thinking it was a religion. I knew a guy who was in this. He was telling me about the meetings, I thought they sounded sort of strange but it didn't seem criminal. My dad told me he would have nothing to do with them, he didn't like the blackball process. anyway, don't know much else, anyone want to shed some light I don't want to see this thread derailed by Masonic/Anti-Masonic, but I will provide a link to prominent Mason's through history. Notice they include presidents (Lyndon Johnson, George Washington, Harry S. Truman and others), astronauts, including Buzz Aldrin, actors including John Wayne and actually Leo DeCaprio is one but he isn't listed, Earl Warren, Chief Justice of the United States, Steve Woznniak, co-founder of Apple. There may be some bad people in the Masons, I'm not here to stand up for all of them. There's bad in every organization, imo, including some churches, scouts and etc. But I don't believe it's right to paint the whole organization and their members with a wide brush of suspicion of criminal activity. Anyone remember the Shriner's Burn Center? Every Shriner is a Mason. And they have historically helped orphans. And yes, I have members of my family that have been and are Mason,s including my Father, Brothers and etc. They have served their country, serve their community, some have/had jobs in law enforcement, are firefighters, EMT, donate time at the animal shelters, battered women's shelters, serve in their churches. So-there are two sides to every story. After this link, I will no longer comment on this subject. Link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Freemasons Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tracygirl on June 18, 2010, 02:44:29 PM So if this is terri Horman, how did she get out of the house at 2AM to what people are assuming, dump a body? That question was asked on another board and I have to say it makes sense to question that. When did the police start staying with them?
Also, there are many white trucks, in fact I think white is the most popular color for a truck. I would hope that LE has or is discounting the white truck the family owns, that seems basic. I don't know, given the uncle's problems I would like to know what everyone else drives in that family. http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/day_three_search_continues_hun.html 1:29 p.m. -- Neighbors stop by Brooks Hill Historic church, across the street from the school, to mull over the investigation. "This kind of thing is unheard of," says Jim Kelley, 50. Kelley, who lives about a mile and a half down hill, at the end of a winding, secluded country lane off Cornelius Pass, said police, federal agents, K-9 teams and helicopters scoured the area Saturday. "We had two odd sightings of a vehicle on our road Friday," Kelley said. Around 3 p.m., he and a neighbor reported seeing a white pick-up truck with a female driver pull to the end of the long road, idle and then turn around. Then again at 2 a.m. Saturday morning, a similar white pickup truck appeared, idled and when a neighbor loosed her dogs, eased away. "A, it was strange to have a car there, any car there, that we didn't know, and B, it was strange to have a vehicle come down our dead-end road twice in the same day, hours after a little boy goes missing," said Kelley. "That's beyond rare." Kelley said authorities have twice searched the deep ravine, creek and railroad tracks located near the end of his street by air and on foot. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Deenie on June 18, 2010, 02:52:56 PM I can't find the birthdate on the person arrested and given there are two with the same name? Dah now I know what masons are. I was thinking it was a religion. I knew a guy who was in this. He was telling me about the meetings, I thought they sounded sort of strange but it didn't seem criminal. My dad told me he would have nothing to do with them, he didn't like the blackball process. anyway, don't know much else, anyone want to shed some light I don't want to see this thread derailed by Masonic/Anti-Masonic, but I will provide a link to prominent Mason's through history. Notice they include presidents (Lyndon Johnson, George Washington, Harry S. Truman and others), astronauts, including Buzz Aldrin, actors including John Wayne and actually Leo DeCaprio is one but he isn't listed, Earl Warren, Chief Justice of the United States, Steve Woznniak, co-founder of Apple. There may be some bad people in the Masons, I'm not here to stand up for all of them. There's bad in every organization, imo, including some churches, scouts and etc. But I don't believe it's right to paint the whole organization and their members with a wide brush of suspicion of criminal activity. Anyone remember the Shriner's Burn Center? Every Shriner is a Mason. And they have historically helped orphans. And yes, I have members of my family that have been and are Mason,s including my Father, Brothers and etc. They have served their country, serve their community, some have/had jobs in law enforcement, are firefighters, EMT, donate time at the animal shelters, battered women's shelters, serve in their churches. So-there are two sides to every story. After this link, I will no longer comment on this subject. Link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Freemasons make fun of, nor to put down, that Mason's as a group are " all alike". I know that they are not. You are so correct that there are two sides and possibly even more than two - within this topic. I apologize to you, Muffy, and anyone else that my prior posts may have caused any grief. I will not post anything else within the ( Masons) unless it is directly "related" to Kyron's case. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: MuffyBee on June 18, 2010, 02:56:28 PM Deenie {{{hugs}}} In the search for Kyron, there should be no stone left unturned.
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: klaasend on June 18, 2010, 03:15:57 PM (http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub8/KyronQuestions.jpg)
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Wyks on June 18, 2010, 03:21:02 PM Thank you to all my monkey friends.
Points well taken and agreed re: the absolute good that the Shriners do. Personally have heard nothing but good about them. It then boggles my mind that there are levels within this org. that uses the symbolism they do. Have heard much good about Masons as well, esp those of the lower levels in that org. Too much secrecy re the higher levels to know what they are about. Yet they also use similiar symbolism as do the Shriners. My concerns have to do with the higher levels in each of these org's, which include what I referred to earlier. However the good in Freemasonry, they DO use satanic symbols. Run on down to your local Mason Lodge, take a careful look at just their sign on the front door. At the bottom of every sign that I've seen (including the local one here in Nebraska!) is the pentagram. Just slipped in there quietly, no attention drawn to it. A seemingly charitable org?? I have to ask why the pentagram?? And they are transgenerational. (each generation involved after the other after the other and so on). As is the satanic cult. Am NOT saying they are the same. AM saying that at the higher levels of these three orgs, they share similiar, if not the same, intentions. All of which link back to one and the same, the Illuminati. No matter what the lower levels of each of these organizations appear to be.. to some. Am not here to debate with my monkey friends, but to bring truth. I pointed out how the three org's link up, at the top levels. Symbolism, for one. Perhaps symbolism is all they share in this day and age?? That could be! My personal experiences were not with the Shriners or the Masons. Mine were with the satanic cult, which is live and well in this very area that Kyron lives. These orgs thrive side-by-side. And for many of us who experienced one, have knowledge (that the general public may not have) regarding the others. I do not have an 'expertise' regarding Freemasonry or the Shriners. There is much pro/con out there which can be Googled. My 'expertise' (if it can be called that, is with the satanic cult, and have so far, worked side-by-side with the Ritual Task Force Unit in California. These aren't 'rumors' read somewhere and brought hastily over, no! These are truths from someone who has been there. Unfortunately for me, and fortunately for some, our experiences have been either negative or positive. Yours doesn't negate mine, and mine doesn't negate yours. As I said, am not here to debate. I've posted enough truth on this subject in this website, and will leave it at that. I will leave it with two thoughts to ponder... *Plz do not let positive experiences with an org blind you to the possibility that all may not be as it seems to you, to a good majority. *There are none so blind as those who will not see. Hugs to all my monkey friends. Am gonna just take a wee break, and I'll be back to simply help in positive ways, with updates, comments here n there, support of the posters here and etc. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Deenie on June 18, 2010, 03:40:18 PM Deenie {{{hugs}}} In the search for Kyron, there should be no stone left unturned. Gosh I have been " bounced" for the last 10 mins --arrrgh My reply Hug you back. Muffy what I have found within all the "Men" that surround Kyron - they all have IT back ground as employment current and or previous. R.Neil Horman -Grandfather of Kyron - He too has IT back ground. http://stores.lulu.com/nilesword His Bio as an Author of Books sold to the public. ( I do not know when this Bio was written) Neil Horman has a BA in Literature from Washington State University. He currently is a computer consultant, web designer, author, and artist. He lives in Shoreline, Washington with his wife Kris and Buddy, the not too tall cat. ** This controversy on Kyron's step-mom and her Facebook account. Makes you wonder with all these people ( MEN) who are related by family within this case - are so savvy in computers. I don't know if a cell phone ping could be manipulated by a computer .. from a distance. It is so mind boggling. I think though if someone has many vested years into computers/technology ... from the ground up when technology was not yet introduced as " internet" for public use. I am speaking within programming and codes .. " hacking" ... comes to mind. Not pointing fingers at anyone in particular. Or even for those who are in IT and get bored and find themselves tinkering with things that they should not be .. but they do. Many do. That is why we see on the News " 18 yr old " John Doe - Hacked into " major corporation's server" etc... and NO one could foresee this coming. Just thoughts. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Deenie on June 18, 2010, 03:41:35 PM Wyks
(( Giant Hug )) Deenie Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 18, 2010, 03:45:14 PM Wyks, big HUGS, and thank-you for your knowledge in explaining, some of us are just not aware of such happenings, especially me. Come join us on JSM's thread, please. Has there been any no news concerning step mom and her cell pings?
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 18, 2010, 03:45:47 PM Wyks Thank-you Deenie for your links.(( Giant Hug )) Deenie Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tracygirl on June 18, 2010, 04:03:53 PM So this is an interesting move by Le to put out these flyers. They have already questioned people, so why the flyers with a pic of the truck and with a pic of the step mom? Perhaps all they have is circumstancial evidence and they need something more concret? But why this questionair and why out of blue being so public about this case? Did they not cover these questions before when talking to the students? ARe they trying to prove something or discount something? This is another strange twist in my opinion.
LIst of questions per http://www.flashalertnewswire.net/images/news/2010-06/1276/36184/061410.SchoolQuestionnaireadobe.hm.pdf ADULT FORM ADDRESS:_______________________________________________________________________ Home Phone:_________________ Cell Phone:_______________ Work Phone:_________________ E-Mail address(es) and / or additional contact info:________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________________ Please answer these questions with as much specificity as possible 1. Why were you at Skyline School on 6/4/10?___________________________________________ . If more than one adult was present, each should fill out a copy of this page. ______________________________________________________________________________ 2. What time(s) did you arrive and leave?_______________________________________________ ______________________________________________________________________________ 3. Did you arrive at the school with anyone else (if so, who)?________________________________ _____________________________________________________________________________ 4. At any time did you see KYRON HORMAN? YES / NO (if no, please skip to #8) 5. What time(s) did you see KYRON HORMAN? _________________________________________ ______________________________________________________________________________ 6. Who was KYRON HORMAN with at the time (if anyone)?________________________________ ______________________________________________________________________________ 7. Where did you see KYRON HORMAN?______________________________________________ _____________________________________________________________________________ 8. At any time did you see TERRI HORMAN at or near the school? YES / NO 9. At any time did you see a White Ford F250 Truck at or near the school? YES / NO 10. Is there any additional information about 6/4/10 that you believe is important for the police to know (examples—suspicious persons, vehicles, etc) and / or would you like further contact by a detective?______________________________________________________________________ ______________________________________________________________________________ ______________________________________________________________________________ ______________________________________________________________________________ ______________________________________________________________________________ ______________________________________________________________________________ STUDENT FORM IF YOUR CHILD WAS AT SKYLINE SCHOOL BETWEEN 8AM AND 4PM ON JUNE 4, 2010, please fill out the questions below with your child. If more than one child was present at the school on June 4, please submit a separate page for each. 1. Child’s Name:_______________________________________________________________ 2. Did your child see KYRON on 6/4/10? YES / NO (if no, please skip to # 6) 3. Where did your child see KYRON?_______________________________________________ ___________________________________________________________________________ 4. What time(s) did your child see KYRON?__________________________________________ ___________________________________________________________________________ 5. Who was KYRON with at that time (if anyone)?______________________________________ ___________________________________________________________________________ 6. Did your child see KYRON’s step-mom, TERRI on 6/4/10, at or near the school? YES / NO 7. Did your child see a White Ford F250 Truck on 6/4/10 at or near the school? YES / NO 8. Is there any additional information regarding your child being at Skyline School on June 4 that is important for the police to know?_______________________________________________ ___________________________________________________________________________ ___________________________________________________________________________ ___________________________________________________________________________ __________________________________________________________________________ Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Nut44x4 on June 18, 2010, 04:04:59 PM Posted on Friday, 06.18.10
Police seek info about stepmom of missing Ore. boy The Associated Press SALEM, Ore. -- Investigators trying to find missing Oregon boy Kyron Horman are distributing a flier asking if anyone saw his stepmother near Skyline School on the day he vanished. The Multnomah County Sheriff's Office also wants to know if stepmother Terri Horman's white pickup truck was seen at or near the school on June 4 - the day of the disappearance. The sheriff's office has not described Terri Horman as a person of interest in the case. The 7-year-old boy went missing after a morning science fair. His absence was reported that afternoon, when he failed to return home on a school bus and his stepmother contacted the school. http://www.miamiherald.com/2010/06/18/1688415/police-seek-info-about-stepmom.html Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 18, 2010, 04:25:02 PM I could be wrong, but I don't ever recall in other cases such a questionnaire like this before, seems like perhaps this should have been done sooner, not two weeks later, imo. Maybe to put pressure on step mom?
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tracygirl on June 18, 2010, 04:25:39 PM Per reporters facebook. http://www.facebook.com/RichelleCareyHLN
The KYRON HORMAN presser will be later this afternoon. Miscommunication between media and officials....it will be 5pm EASTERN!!! Prime News will have all the details at 6pm. ALSO....MIKE GALANOS will be on with me in the ***4pm hour** with the new information we already have. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tracygirl on June 18, 2010, 04:30:19 PM I could be wrong, but I don't ever recall in other cases such a questionnaire like this before, seems like perhaps this should have been done sooner, not two weeks later, imo. Maybe to put pressure on step mom? I don't know it is curious to say the least. Why now, why so public, why these questions? If you look at the questions what could the answers be other then, yes she was there, yes we saw Kyron, yes we saw the truck after all she was there, so was kyron and I would guess they drove there? Strange. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tamikosmom on June 18, 2010, 04:31:06 PM I believe that I read that Kyron's backpack was on his desk. Would that not indicate that Terri Horman was at the school. It would be interesting how many can positively say that they saw Kyron that morning.
In the process of elimination has Terri Horman been polygraphed. In the process of elimination has the residence and property of the Horman's been search forensically and with dogs? If not; why not? Janet +++++ Police ask for info about Kyron Horman's stepmom by Associated Press KING5.com Posted on June 18, 2010 at 12:10 PM Updated today at 12:50 PM PORTLAND, Ore. -- Investigators trying to find missing Oregon boy Kyron Horman have released a flier asking the public if they saw the boy’s stepmother near Skyline School on the day he vanished. The Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office also wants to know if anyone saw Terri Horman’s white pickup at or near Skyline on June 4 -- the day of the disappearance. The sheriff’s office has not described Terri Horman as a person of interest in the case. Police said they would explain the questionnaire in a 2 p.m. press conference Friday. The 7-year-old went missing after a morning science fair. His absence was reported that afternoon, when he failed to return home on a school bus and his stepmother contacted the school. Meanwhile, the case will be featured on "America's Most Wanted" this weekend while searchers continue to focus on areas in and around Sauvie Island. From KGW's Sky 8 helicopter, searchers in wetsuits were seen moving through waist-high water while someone on shore provided directions. A dive team searched swamps and ponds around the rural NW Portland area, and crews also searched around the Multnomah Channel. Investigators would not say what led them to this area, but they've searched the island now for nearly a week. This week's issue of "People" magazine also shows a photo of Kyron on the cover and features an article about his case. In addition, 30 billboards were going up across Oregon with Kyron's photo and tipline. Police hope the extra attention will bring even more tips and clues for them to follow up on. Police said the tips continue to pour in, but stopped short of sharing specifics. Hoping to spark someone's memory and get new tips in the case, police recently created and circulated photos of Kyron without his glasses. The hope was that it would help people see what Kyron would look like if he was no longer wearing them. They also previously shared photos of Kyron's glasses and replicas of the clothing he was wearing when he disappeared. While strangers continued to try and reach out in any way possible, police warned that scammers were targeting some people by asking for donations to a bogus support fund. Anyone approached in person or over the phone for donations should first check with police to determine if they're legitimate. On Monday, the lead officer in the investigation into Kyron Horman’s disappearance vowed to stay on the case until it’s solved, despite scaling back search operations. “This will not become a cold case for us,” Capt. Jason Gates promised during the Monday morning press conference. On Sunday, authorities announced that the search and rescue operation had officially transformed into a criminal investigation after 10 days of searching with no sign of Kyron. $25,000 reward offered An emotional Sheriff Dan Staton announced a $25,000 reward for any information that leads to the location of Kyron. "The investigation is going in many directions and the criminal investigation is a natural progression," said Staton. http://www.king5.com/news/Police-ask-for-info-about-Kyron-Hormans-stepmom-96672629.html Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tamikosmom on June 18, 2010, 04:32:38 PM I apologize for double posting the article in my submission.
Janet Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tracygirl on June 18, 2010, 04:38:47 PM Janet I would hope that LE polyed everyone in the family including the step mom. I wonder if they have, they do not say much.
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Deenie on June 18, 2010, 04:39:42 PM I keep getting bounced - out ...
TracyGirl - I don't know if my post posted or not. Who received and who wrote that questionnaire? Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: mediamama on June 18, 2010, 04:42:28 PM Deenie {{{hugs}}} In the search for Kyron, there should be no stone left unturned. Gosh I have been " bounced" for the last 10 mins --arrrgh My reply Hug you back. Muffy what I have found within all the "Men" that surround Kyron - they all have IT back ground as employment current and or previous. R.Neil Horman -Grandfather of Kyron - He too has IT back ground. http://stores.lulu.com/nilesword His Bio as an Author of Books sold to the public. ( I do not know when this Bio was written) Neil Horman has a BA in Literature from Washington State University. He currently is a computer consultant, web designer, author, and artist. He lives in Shoreline, Washington with his wife Kris and Buddy, the not too tall cat. ** This controversy on Kyron's step-mom and her Facebook account. Makes you wonder with all these people ( MEN) who are related by family within this case - are so savvy in computers. I don't know if a cell phone ping could be manipulated by a computer .. from a distance. It is so mind boggling. I think though if someone has many vested years into computers/technology ... from the ground up when technology was not yet introduced as " internet" for public use. I am speaking within programming and codes .. " hacking" ... comes to mind. Not pointing fingers at anyone in particular. Or even for those who are in IT and get bored and find themselves tinkering with things that they should not be .. but they do. Many do. That is why we see on the News " 18 yr old " John Doe - Hacked into " major corporation's server" etc... and NO one could foresee this coming. Just thoughts. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: klaasend on June 18, 2010, 04:46:18 PM I know some are saying 5pm but this is saying 2pm still:
http://www.katu.com/ LIVE AT 2PM: A news conference related to the search for Kyron Horman is scheduled for 2 p.m. Watch it live Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: klaasend on June 18, 2010, 04:51:39 PM I know some are saying 5pm but this is saying 2pm still: http://www.katu.com/ LIVE AT 2PM: A news conference related to the search for Kyron Horman is scheduled for 2 p.m. Watch it live http://www.katu.com/news/live Guess we'll have to wait and see if it's in 8 minutes or 3hrs Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: klaasend on June 18, 2010, 05:01:24 PM http://www.kgw.com/live-stream
Kyron NOT FOUND Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Deenie on June 18, 2010, 05:02:39 PM I keep getting bounced - out ...
TracyGirl - I don't know if my post posted or not. Who received and who wrote that questionnaire? [/quote] I am not standing up for anyone. My thoughts are for Kyron to be found. Yet, Terri Moulton does have Civil Rights - Is she not cooperating to the extent they are using her Name within a questionnaire to the public ? That they would put out such a document to the public? ** For why I say this is because GOD forbid any of us were ever in Terri's shoes within anything relative to an investigation. I have never seen such a thing before in all my life. ( understanding that LE may be fishing for any tips -that ppl may fill it out and remain anon) Many people do not want to get involved. For good reason. Naming themselves etc. I found this online via key words - Terri Moulton Civil Rights came up: Witch Hunt Terri Moulton http://www.care2.com/news/member/451808412/1641971 Linked to article: http://newsblaze.com/story/20100616092709kays.nb/topstory.html -- Blogger who has the same document - and is talking out - just posted today http://victoriataftkpam.blogspot.com/2010/06/kyrons-step-mom-target-of-investigation.html snipped: That's what Willamette Week is reporting. KPAM news obtained a copy of ONE of the flyers the Multnomah County Sheriff's Office sent to students, parents, and teachers. There are two different versions of the flyer. The one you see here is the one sent to parents to go over with their children who went to school with Kyron. Among the questions is these: Did your child see KYRON's step-mom, TERRI on 6/4/10, at or near the school? Did you see a White Ford F250 Truck on 6/4/10 at or near the school? Step mom Terri Moulton Horman drives a white Ford truck. Horman and Kyron's dad also had a new baby 18 months ago. Willamette Week is reporting suspicion has fallen on the step mom because her story and cell phone records tell different stories of where she was the day seven year old Kyron disappeared. WW has learned that federal, county and city law-enforcement officials say the reason for the search of Sauvie Island is that cell-phone records reveal Kyron’s step-mother, Terri Moulton Horman, may have been on the island the day he disappeared. And as searchers comb the island, law-enforcement officials say the investigation is increasingly focusing on the step-mother, because of problems with her account of what she was doing the day Kyron went missing. This information comes from five separate law-enforcement officials from agencies at the city, county and federal level. To our knowledge, none is directly involved with the investigation. The white Ford pick up was seen being towed away from the parents home some days ago. Law enforcement authorities said it had a dead battery. Sure. -- WW= Willamette Week Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Deenie on June 18, 2010, 05:07:17 PM Deenie {{{hugs}}} In the search for Kyron, there should be no stone left unturned. Gosh I have been " bounced" for the last 10 mins --arrrgh My reply Hug you back. Muffy what I have found within all the "Men" that surround Kyron - they all have IT back ground as employment current and or previous. R.Neil Horman -Grandfather of Kyron - He too has IT back ground. http://stores.lulu.com/nilesword His Bio as an Author of Books sold to the public. ( I do not know when this Bio was written) Neil Horman has a BA in Literature from Washington State University. He currently is a computer consultant, web designer, author, and artist. He lives in Shoreline, Washington with his wife Kris and Buddy, the not too tall cat. ** This controversy on Kyron's step-mom and her Facebook account. Makes you wonder with all these people ( MEN) who are related by family within this case - are so savvy in computers. I don't know if a cell phone ping could be manipulated by a computer .. from a distance. It is so mind boggling. I think though if someone has many vested years into computers/technology ... from the ground up when technology was not yet introduced as " internet" for public use. I am speaking within programming and codes .. " hacking" ... comes to mind. Not pointing fingers at anyone in particular. Or even for those who are in IT and get bored and find themselves tinkering with things that they should not be .. but they do. Many do. That is why we see on the News " 18 yr old " John Doe - Hacked into " major corporation's server" etc... and NO one could foresee this coming. Just thoughts. MediaMama - If I can stay here long enough to post ... omg - I keep getting blown out. I too find it strange that she would " post " such words on her Facebook Its been in the news and ON the News everywhere - Very Heighten within other countries for the last 3 mos - The Security of Facebook. Your Posts/Your Identity - HOW Easy it is to be snatched/hacked. Your Facebook can be duplicated by another and posted without you knowing. I hate Facebook. They have been tweaking the security of Facebook accounts for what it seems the last 60 days... Somethings not right. I agree with You Mediamama. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tracygirl on June 18, 2010, 05:07:29 PM (http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub8/KyronQuestions.jpg) This site is driving my batty today! Deenie it is the questions that go along with this flyer. I have a question for Jess. What do you think of this flyer and these questions? Do you think legally it is a smart move if they are pointing to the step mom as a possible POI? Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: klaasend on June 18, 2010, 05:08:58 PM NEW BLINK POST:
http://blinkoncrime.com/2010/06/18/kyron-horman-missing-watch-press-conference-live/ Kyron Horman Missing: Watch Press Conference Live Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tracygirl on June 18, 2010, 05:12:18 PM Deenie I so agree with you. This questionaire seems to me to be a LE pointing fingers at a person they have not arrested or named as a POI. I would think a procecutor would not be happy about this at all given the pic of her on this and the nature of the questions could sway a potential witness.
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Deenie on June 18, 2010, 05:24:10 PM Deenie I so agree with you. This questionaire seems to me to be a LE pointing fingers at a person they have not arrested or named as a POI. I would think a procecutor would not be happy about this at all given the pic of her on this and the nature of the questions could sway a potential witness. For the messages they are creating " of Terri" I would think she would need Secret Service to protect her. They are making her a Human Target - flat out. She may need a flack jacket to leave her porch. If they really feel she knows something and is not sharing - or if they have evidence enough - than Drag her IN and .. keep her till she talks. This is just over the top though ..for what that questionnaire is creating/along with the media. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: klaasend on June 18, 2010, 05:29:30 PM Deenie I so agree with you. This questionaire seems to me to be a LE pointing fingers at a person they have not arrested or named as a POI. I would think a procecutor would not be happy about this at all given the pic of her on this and the nature of the questions could sway a potential witness. For the messages they are creating " of Terri" I would think she would need Secret Service to protect her. They are making her a Human Target - flat out. She may need a flack jacket to leave her porch. If they really feel she knows something and is not sharing - or if they have evidence enough - than Drag her IN and .. keep her till she talks. This is just over the top though ..for what that questionnaire is creating/along with the media. Then they condemn "social media and the internet" for spreading rumors. They are perpetuating them as much as anyone. From the outside looking in, they don't appear to be handling this case very well, IMO. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Deenie on June 18, 2010, 05:31:05 PM Deenie I so agree with you. This questionaire seems to me to be a LE pointing fingers at a person they have not arrested or named as a POI. I would think a procecutor would not be happy about this at all given the pic of her on this and the nature of the questions could sway a potential witness. For the messages they are creating " of Terri" I would think she would need Secret Service to protect her. They are making her a Human Target - flat out. She may need a flack jacket to leave her porch. If they really feel she knows something and is not sharing - or if they have evidence enough - than Drag her IN and .. keep her till she talks. This is just over the top though ..for what that questionnaire is creating/along with the media. Then they condemn "social media and the internet" for spreading rumors. They are perpetuating them as much as anyone. From the outside looking in, they don't appear to be handling this case very well, IMO. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tracygirl on June 18, 2010, 05:49:32 PM Yes she is going to need a body guard to say the least. I don't get this flyer or why they are going down this road. I am curious to know what a lawyer thinks of this move, hoping Jess will chime in.
They need to arrest her if they think she did this. I can't say I agree with this sort of thing. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tamikosmom on June 18, 2010, 06:05:55 PM Why would Terri not have been forthcoming regarding her whereabout on the day Kyron went missing? Why did authorities have to discover the deception through cell phone records?
In my opinion ... a public plea for information rather than a questionaire would have sufficed but ... we are not privy to the underlying motives of LE. I just pray that answers are on the way. Janet Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: sunshine12 on June 18, 2010, 06:09:16 PM Yes she is going to need a body guard to say the least. I don't get this flyer or why they are going down this road. I am curious to know what a lawyer thinks of this move, hoping Jess will chime in. They need to arrest her if they think she did this. I can't say I agree with this sort of thing. i agree, they need to either formally notify her that shes a poi or suspect or arrest her if they have evidence...if they are playing games can't a good defense attorney poke holes in that and try to get a case off on technicalities? i'm not really sure but i agree, i hope jess star chimes in! Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Deenie on June 18, 2010, 06:20:33 PM Yes she is going to need a body guard to say the least. I don't get this flyer or why they are going down this road. I am curious to know what a lawyer thinks of this move, hoping Jess will chime in. I find it to be against her civil rights period. To name her in that flyer. I really do. They need to arrest her if they think she did this. I can't say I agree with this sort of thing. They are creating her to be a Target for others Self Interest. If they " LE" have enough evidence against " Her" and to find her as a POI - than by all means take her into custody and keep her until she offer's up - " something" that collaborates with their investigation. This otherwise is total BS. I find it to be " they are grabbing at straws and fingering Terri" - because she was the last known person to see Kyron. My Smart azz Comment - Is someone up for Election within this county or other ? My Hinkey Meter is not on Terri. I think she is being set up. NO one " MOM" would put up on their facebook for all to read - I am "La Di dah" going to the GYM while their child is missing. I don't care if she were Casey Anthony - even Casey would not post - after Caylee was missing. I am Going to the GYM. And I despise Casey. This will ring true with what I have thought all along. This is not of Terri her. But of my Thoughts within Sandra Cantu. TG I know you have your own thoughts on this. Melissa Huckaby - Her arrest and confession - Yes it is valid. " It was Too Easy" She was sentenced to Life for Sandra. I will never EVER though believe that MH was solely responsible for Sandra's death. She fell as a Patsy and is covering for " others who I am thinking would kill MH - If she was ever to be set free, even years from now". MH should be incarcerated. She knows too that she has a X marks the spot on her forehead - if she were ever to roam again. Bec MH knows too much and has information. Yet she will never confess. MH knows her life is within her own hands behind bars. It won't surprise me, nor anyone if MH commits suicide since her life sentence. Her confession in court the other day - her stress on the word " alone" - Nope. That is her talking to the "Others" watching - I am not going to finger you. jmo. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: pdh3 on June 18, 2010, 07:02:30 PM Why would Terri not have been forthcoming regarding her whereabout on the day Kyron went missing? Why did authorities have to discover the deception through cell phone records? In my opinion ... a public plea for information rather than a questionaire would have sufficed but ... we are not privy to the underlying motives of LE. I just pray that answers are on the way. Janet I am NOT defending the step mom in any way at all. I'm just offering a theory or two...could she be having an affair? Maybe that's why she lied about her whereabouts. Or maybe she has a drug problem and needs to hide that from police and her husband. Maybe one of those issues is tied in with what happened to Kyron..... We know Kyron was at school that morning....right? Don't the photos confirm that he at least made it to the science fair? Also...doesn't she also have a toddler? Where was her baby that morning? I just can't figure out what's going on with this family. They seem very.very strange. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tracygirl on June 18, 2010, 07:03:06 PM So why did they put this flyer out there? What are they expecting to prove or disprove with these very basic questions that they would not have already known? Did they really never think to ask about the white truck? It was first told to them the day after and it prompted 2 searches of that area. Or did they not think to ask what time a student or adult saw the mom or Kyron? Really?
The questionare pretty much, without saying it, implicates her in this case. The psychology behind those pics and along with the questions pretty much seals it in the minds of those who thought she did this. This woman is going down in the court of public opinion, I hope she is not innocent now. I actually hope she did it, if you want to know the truth. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: flutter1 on June 18, 2010, 07:05:21 PM An observation from the trenches -- Was Kyron seen? Was his stepmother and her truck observed?
I work in a school and days like the one Kyron went missing, in which the science fair was taking place, are a logistical nightmare! Children, parents, observers, and faculty all add to the chaos of the normally chaotic first of the morning routines. Many times I have tried to recall whether I saw a specific student or teacher from the early morning (pre-bell) time and couldn't remember whether it was that day or a previous one. What I am getting at is that memories, especially under the circumstances of the day Kyron went missing, may be faulty. This survey, I believe, is a way of getting anyone who was present to concentrate on their memory of that day and what they actually saw and what they may have been remembering from anyone of 190 previous school days. I am looking through the photos at this sitehttp://www.cbsnews.com/2300-504083_162-10003676.html?tag=page (http://www.cbsnews.com/2300-504083_162-10003676.html?tag=page) and am curious if Kyron's science project that day was the one with the seeds or the one with the red eyed tree frog. The photos aren't dated; I wish they were. I find it odd that they aren't since that is a default setting on most cameras. Hoping that they find the little fella soon. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tracygirl on June 18, 2010, 07:05:38 PM Why would Terri not have been forthcoming regarding her whereabout on the day Kyron went missing? Why did authorities have to discover the deception through cell phone records? In my opinion ... a public plea for information rather than a questionaire would have sufficed but ... we are not privy to the underlying motives of LE. I just pray that answers are on the way. Janet I am NOT defending the step mom in any way at all. I'm just offering a theory or two...could she be having an affair? Maybe that's why she lied about her whereabouts. Or maybe she has a drug problem and needs to hide that from police and her husband. Maybe one of those issues is tied in with what happened to Kyron..... We know Kyron was at school that morning....right? Don't the photos confirm that he at least made it to the science fair? Also...doesn't she also have a toddler? Where was her baby that morning? I just can't figure out what's going on with this family. They seem very.very strange. I had thought that about the affair. It is an interesting thought, isn't it? Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: mediamama on June 18, 2010, 07:17:17 PM Why would Terri not have been forthcoming regarding her whereabout on the day Kyron went missing? Why did authorities have to discover the deception through cell phone records? In my opinion ... a public plea for information rather than a questionaire would have sufficed but ... we are not privy to the underlying motives of LE. I just pray that answers are on the way. Janet I am NOT defending the step mom in any way at all. I'm just offering a theory or two...could she be having an affair? Maybe that's why she lied about her whereabouts. Or maybe she has a drug problem and needs to hide that from police and her husband. Maybe one of those issues is tied in with what happened to Kyron..... We know Kyron was at school that morning....right? Don't the photos confirm that he at least made it to the science fair? Also...doesn't she also have a toddler? Where was her baby that morning? I just can't figure out what's going on with this family. They seem very.very strange. Apologies for posting in color previously. ;-) I want to explore the possible affair angle. What if her cell pinged near SI because she was meeting her lover there or near there? Didn't someone say there's a nude beach there? Would it be a good place to meet a secret lover? It sure would explain the "perceived" ambiguity of her whereabouts during the day. And given the timeline of when TH and KH got together in comparison to KH's divorce from Desiree, it would appear that perhaps KH and TH themselves began their relationship as an affair. People who have affairs don't usually stop at having one. All that said, I"m wondering if there is an affair partner and whether or not HE might be a POI, especially if TH has been trying to break it off. So much hinkyness here. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: seahorse on June 18, 2010, 07:19:08 PM (http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub8/KyronQuestions.jpg) This site is driving my batty today! Deenie it is the questions that go along with this flyer. I have a question for Jess. What do you think of this flyer and these questions? Do you think legally it is a smart move if they are pointing to the step mom as a possible POI? I actually think this is great. He must be darn tootin' sure it is her. I wonder if Kyron forgot his homework that morning. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Itaryl Moosee on June 18, 2010, 07:27:00 PM There is no way to figure out what the police is doing with these questions, because the answers to them could either involve or clear the step-mom of a crime.
----- I would also like to know why SM would lie about her whereabouts that day, if she knew her account of what happened was of the utmost importance to help in finding "her" child? IF she is the one that Mr. Kelly described, what would she be doing on his road? At 2:00am? I am theorizing here that the police did not provide the live-in escort until after the next day and not that night of the day he disappeared. With this going on, the looking out for truck sightings, I am going to guess that the truck was hauled out not for starter failure or dead battery. BTW, A dead battery does not warrant a towing. One gets a "jump", or one buys a battery and drops it in. I am a woman and have done that myself a few times. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tracygirl on June 18, 2010, 07:44:39 PM I am not following the homework comment. Can you elaborate?
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tracygirl on June 18, 2010, 07:47:51 PM (http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub8/KyronQuestions.jpg) This site is driving my batty today! Deenie it is the questions that go along with this flyer. I have a question for Jess. What do you think of this flyer and these questions? Do you think legally it is a smart move if they are pointing to the step mom as a possible POI? I actually think this is great. He must be darn tootin' sure it is her. I wonder if Kyron forgot his homework that morning. This questionare sure does make it seem like that doesn't it? We see a pic of Kyron, a pic of the truck and a pic of the step mom all on the same page with questions asking about where she was that day and if anyone saw anything suspicious. Yep it certainly makes you wonder if LE is pointing to her as the POI in this case. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Deenie on June 18, 2010, 08:09:35 PM Speculations are One thing. Concrete Evidence is Another.
Is the local LE allowing the Media to drive this Campaign against Terri Moulton Horman? I don't understand the speculatives being thrown out ......... She is or is not - a POI. This has gone way beyond the figurative .. Its not that they are playing her in the media for the last 48 hours. They have been accusing her since June 8th. What gives? They cannot figure out since then if they have enough evidence ? Yet they can " throw her to the Media" and let it broil for all to make their assumptions - upon ?? tid bits of information from Local LE. Again I am just offering. For instance - the case of Gardner with Chelsea King ..then to lead to Amber. He was made a POI " News/Media" and soon arrested promptly - due to they had evidence. Where is the evidence against Terri ? Again I am not standing on a soapbox for Terri's innocence. I am yet bringing it to mention - Nothing has been said or stated by LE/FBI that she is a POI. Yet the Media and LE are slowly crucifying her without offering tangible reason of WHY? Seems to be a powder keg ..just waiting for the wick to be lit. And it's not going to be pretty. They are ramping up the Public - with bits and pieces and nothing to really be stated on Kyron nor his whereabouts - Or what is known...truthfully within the investigation. jmo Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Samantha on June 18, 2010, 08:10:59 PM An observation from the trenches -- Was Kyron seen? Was his stepmother and her truck observed? I work in a school and days like the one Kyron went missing, in which the science fair was taking place, are a logistical nightmare! Children, parents, observers, and faculty all add to the chaos of the normally chaotic first of the morning routines. Many times I have tried to recall whether I saw a specific student or teacher from the early morning (pre-bell) time and couldn't remember whether it was that day or a previous one. What I am getting at is that memories, especially under the circumstances of the day Kyron went missing, may be faulty. This survey, I believe, is a way of getting anyone who was present to concentrate on their memory of that day and what they actually saw and what they may have been remembering from anyone of 190 previous school days. I am looking through the photos at this sitehttp://www.cbsnews.com/2300-504083_162-10003676.html?tag=page (http://www.cbsnews.com/2300-504083_162-10003676.html?tag=page) and am curious if Kyron's science project that day was the one with the seeds or the one with the red eyed tree frog. The photos aren't dated; I wish they were. I find it odd that they aren't since that is a default setting on most cameras. Hoping that they find the little fella soon. I think it was mentioned his project concerned frogs.. <snipped> Some tips have reached into Washington state, he said, without elaborating. At the same time, he expressed frustration that some people have called in nonsensical tips. "Since he did his science fair project on tree frogs," Gates said, "they'll call and say, 'He went to live with the tree frogs.' It wastes a lot of time." <end snipped> http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/kyron_horman_search_attracts_1.html Also, I know I take the setting off for the timestamp.. I hate having it on there when I get them printed.. however it may be different when you have children, since it helps track the days/years of holidays and events that are being captured. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Deenie on June 18, 2010, 08:32:21 PM Why would Terri not have been forthcoming regarding her whereabout on the day Kyron went missing? Why did authorities have to discover the deception through cell phone records? In my opinion ... a public plea for information rather than a questionaire would have sufficed but ... we are not privy to the underlying motives of LE. I just pray that answers are on the way. Janet I am NOT defending the step mom in any way at all. I'm just offering a theory or two...could she be having an affair? Maybe that's why she lied about her whereabouts. Or maybe she has a drug problem and needs to hide that from police and her husband. Maybe one of those issues is tied in with what happened to Kyron..... We know Kyron was at school that morning....right? Don't the photos confirm that he at least made it to the science fair? Also...doesn't she also have a toddler? Where was her baby that morning? I just can't figure out what's going on with this family. They seem very.very strange. Apologies for posting in color previously. ;-) I want to explore the possible affair angle. What if her cell pinged near SI because she was meeting her lover there or near there? Didn't someone say there's a nude beach there? Would it be a good place to meet a secret lover? It sure would explain the "perceived" ambiguity of her whereabouts during the day. And given the timeline of when TH and KH got together in comparison to KH's divorce from Desiree, it would appear that perhaps KH and TH themselves began their relationship as an affair. People who have affairs don't usually stop at having one. All that said, I"m wondering if there is an affair partner and whether or not HE might be a POI, especially if TH has been trying to break it off. So much hinkyness here. We all use color from time to time. The Mods use Big Bold Color Fonts when they want something to be read and understood - as a 911 post- which is infrequent - So when you see it - "You will know" But using color within your own posts is not forbidden. General rule of thumb here is to " offer your source" with a link. Never offer up hear say - without backup - offer the link that you find the info. Never copy and paste commentary from another source without the link. No swearing, no attacking, being objective is welcomed, and offering your opinion is important. What ever you can offer for the case - your posting within - offer, go for it. Basically I think you already know all of what I typed above. Just for you to know though. You can use color. Its not an issue. Welcome Mediamama to Scared Monkeys. I hope my post is not overstepping Mods - Just offering info to a new Monkey :) Deenie- Yes, some color may be used to highlight a word or sentence/phrase within a post. However, (and I know you are trying to be helpful) but posting in color is an issue if the entire post is in color. It was decided by Klaasend to ask posters to stop posting full posts in color for a couple of reasons, one being it is difficult for some of our posters with eye problems to read, and another is color is intended for admin and moderators to call attention to and give direction. I edited Mediamama's post and left an edit comment because monkeys aren't supposed to be posting entire posts in color. I'm sorry you may have misunderstood this Deenie, but we went through a period of transition and I don't want to start it all over again. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: seahorse on June 18, 2010, 09:18:08 PM (http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub8/KyronQuestions.jpg) This site is driving my batty today! Deenie it is the questions that go along with this flyer. I have a question for Jess. What do you think of this flyer and these questions? Do you think legally it is a smart move if they are pointing to the step mom as a possible POI? I actually think this is great. He must be darn tootin' sure it is her. I wonder if Kyron forgot his homework that morning. This questionare sure does make it seem like that doesn't it? We see a pic of Kyron, a pic of the truck and a pic of the step mom all on the same page with questions asking about where she was that day and if anyone saw anything suspicious. Yep it certainly makes you wonder if LE is pointing to her as the POI in this case. Yes, it does. I have never seen anything like this in my life. Yes, it is all connected and illustrated (even if you can't read English) you would have an understanding of the picture story. This Sherriff doesn't have time to dilly-dally. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: seahorse on June 18, 2010, 09:29:41 PM I am not following the homework comment. Can you elaborate? Sorry, Tracygirl, I wasn't clear. In my thinking of SM & KH (leaving early for the science exhibit) and in the shuffle, curious, if Kyron forgot his school books or nightly homework, and would that have set SM off to have to return to the house for his school work? I shouldn't have bought that up, I don't wish to start rumors. I would have forgotten something in my excitement of attending the Science Fair (with your own little exhibit), that was pretty nifty. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Deenie on June 18, 2010, 09:39:49 PM Why would Terri not have been forthcoming regarding her whereabout on the day Kyron went missing? Why did authorities have to discover the deception through cell phone records? In my opinion ... a public plea for information rather than a questionaire would have sufficed but ... we are not privy to the underlying motives of LE. I just pray that answers are on the way. Janet I am NOT defending the step mom in any way at all. I'm just offering a theory or two...could she be having an affair? Maybe that's why she lied about her whereabouts. Or maybe she has a drug problem and needs to hide that from police and her husband. Maybe one of those issues is tied in with what happened to Kyron..... We know Kyron was at school that morning....right? Don't the photos confirm that he at least made it to the science fair? Also...doesn't she also have a toddler? Where was her baby that morning? I just can't figure out what's going on with this family. They seem very.very strange. Apologies for posting in color previously. ;-) I want to explore the possible affair angle. What if her cell pinged near SI because she was meeting her lover there or near there? Didn't someone say there's a nude beach there? Would it be a good place to meet a secret lover? It sure would explain the "perceived" ambiguity of her whereabouts during the day. And given the timeline of when TH and KH got together in comparison to KH's divorce from Desiree, it would appear that perhaps KH and TH themselves began their relationship as an affair. People who have affairs don't usually stop at having one. All that said, I"m wondering if there is an affair partner and whether or not HE might be a POI, especially if TH has been trying to break it off. So much hinkyness here. We all use color from time to time. The Mods use Big Bold Color Fonts when they want something to be read and understood - as a 911 post- which is infrequent - So when you see it - "You will know" But using color within your own posts is not forbidden. General rule of thumb here is to " offer your source" with a link. Never offer up hear say - without backup - offer the link that you find the info. Never copy and paste commentary from another source without the link. No swearing, no attacking, being objective is welcomed, and offering your opinion is important. What ever you can offer for the case - your posting within - offer, go for it. Basically I think you already know all of what I typed above. Just for you to know though. You can use color. Its not an issue. Welcome Mediamama to Scared Monkeys. I hope my post is not overstepping Mods - Just offering info to a new Monkey :) Deenie- Yes, some color may be used to highlight a word or sentence/phrase within a post. However, (and I know you are trying to be helpful) but posting in color is an issue if the entire post is in color. It was decided by Klaasend to ask posters to stop posting full posts in color for a couple of reasons, one being it is difficult for some of our posters with eye problems to read, and another is color is intended for admin and moderators to call attention to and give direction. I edited Mediamama's post and left an edit comment because monkeys aren't supposed to be posting entire posts in color. I'm sorry you may have misunderstood this Deenie, but we went through a period of transition and I don't want to start it all over again. It's all good, Deenie. You got all the rest of it right. Being the friendly person you are, I know you were just trying to help a fellow monkey swing from the vines. Muffy Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: MuffyBee on June 18, 2010, 10:14:37 PM http://abcnews.go.com/US/kyron-horman-plea-missing-endangered-billboard-campaign/story?id=10955255
Family of Kyron Horman Prepares for First Fathers Day Without Him Kyron Horman Has Been Missing For Two Weeks June 18, 2010 The family of missing 7-year-old Kyron Horman said today they are preparing for their first fathers day without him, while a police flyer seeking information appears to target the boy's stepmother. At a press conference today, Multnomah County Sheriff's Office Capt. Jason Gates dispelled rumors that Kyron had been found and said that the search is still ongoing. "[Kyron] has not been found yet and the community needs to keep looking for him," said Gates. "Kyron we are still looking for you." "We are continuing a second canvas of the teachers, staff, volunteers, students and parents or anyone who came to the school the day Kyron went missing," said Gates. Gates read a statement from the Horman family, thanking authorities for their hard work and chronicling their heartbreak after two weeks without word from their young son. "It has been two weeks since our son Kyron disappeared," said the statement. "For the last 14 days we have not been able to talk to him see him playing around the house or tuck him in bed. Any parents would understand the grief that this causes our family." "Father's day is Sunday. For the first time in seven years we won't have Kyron around to talk to. It hurts us deeply and our hearts are broken," it said. Kyron's plight has put an unwelcome spotlight on the family. Earlier this week, the boy's uncle, Kristian Horman, 32, was taken into custody in Washington state following his conviction earlier in the week on charges of child molestation in the third degree. Officials say he had a sexual relationship with a 16-year-old female relative. He will serve six months in prison. The three-page flyer released by the sheriff's office is seeking information from anyone who was at the school or had children at the school where Kyron was last seen on June 4. In addition to photographs of Kyron, the flyer has several images of his stepmother, Terri Horman, who was the last person to see the boy. Questions on the flyers include "Did you see Kyron and if so where" and also asks if they saw his mother or her white Ford truck on that day. Link to view the flyer: http://abcnews.go.com/Site/page?id=10955689 Search for Kyron Horman Expands The flyers come on the heels of the construction earlier this week of 30 large billboards with Kyron's smiling, bespectacled face, the words "Endangered Missing." The billboards were donated by Clear Channel "to help get the message out to bring Kyron home," according to the Multnomah County Sheriff's Office. "We're still waiting for that one tip. That one tip that will bring Kyron home," Multnomah County Sheriff's Office spokeswoman Lt. Mary Lindstrand said earlier this week. Lindstrand characterized the investigation as "moving forward" but declined to provide further details. Tips from the public continue to come in on "a consistent basis" she said, but didn't provide an exact number. One tip arrived in the mail written on a postcard, Lindstrand said. Police said dive teams continued searching bodies of water near where Kyron disappeared. Investigators including members of the sheriff's major crimes team and the FBI are canvassing a four mile radius around Kyron's school and re-interviewing parents, students and school employees. Lindstrand said sheriff's officials are in regular contact with Kyron's parents, who have declined interviews. "They said, 'We don't want our faces out there. We want Kyron's face out there,'" she said. Police declared the case a criminal investigation Sunday and since Monday have refused to grant any interviews or provide regular updates. Lindstrand held a brief press conference today outside a sheriff's building because she said investigators want to keep the public interested in the case. "America's Most Wanted" to Feature Kyron Horman Lindstrand also said the television show "America's Most Wanted" is currently preparing a story on Kyron's case. Kyron disappeared on the morning of June 4, after he and his stepmother Terri Horman attended a school science fair where Kyron had displayed a project on red tree frogs. His stepmother said she last saw Kyron walking down a hallway toward his classroom. When Kyron didn't come home on the bus that Friday afternoon, his parents called the school, which in turn called 911, launching what Gates said could be the largest search operation in Oregon history. Approximately 1,300 searchers in the field were joined by 213 additional investigators from 42 different agencies from California , Oregon and Washington. A National Guard helicopter also joined in the search. Many of the search teams have packed up and headed home, although a small number of local teams will be on call in case there are any new leads or developments. Kyron's family has only appeared twice in public since he disappeared. On Friday, his stepfather made an emotional plea for his return. "You mean everything to us," said his stepfather Tony Young. "And until you come home this family's not complete. Please Kyron, keep up the hope." For many people here, the distinction between a missing persons case and a criminal one is irrelevant since Kyron is still nowhere to be found. "It has not changed our focus," family friend Becky Owens said. "Our focus has been and will continue to be finding Kyron. So it doesn't change what we're doing, getting his face out to as many people as possible." Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: newfie on June 18, 2010, 10:36:18 PM Hi ALL! I am really torn in lieu of this new news. I have defended Terri (the step-mom) because I could not wrap my brain around her doing something this horrible. It is easier to put a deranged monster in this story, than a mom who has raised a family, been a school teacher, and lives in a nice home. Now I do not know what to think. Did they find cell pings of her near the search area? Why would she lie? Is it something else like an affair?
The flyers scare me. They are suggestive and I have never seen tactics like this before. These flyers could create a mob mentality and Terris Horman's life might be in danger. What the heck was LE thinking? If she is guilty or a suspect bring her in for questioning and a lie detector test. I hope to God she is not guilty but if she is it scares me even more. Where were the signs? Is she a sociopath? Were there any warning signs leading up to this. In the Case with C.A. she is a compulsive liar and narcissist. I now wonder about Terri Horman. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: MuffyBee on June 18, 2010, 10:57:14 PM http://www.kptv.com/news/23953863/detail.html
(Video at link in article/bottom of pg) Deputies Seek Info About Kyron Horman's Stepmom Captain Dispels Rumors June 18, 2010 PORTLAND, Ore. -- Deputies said they released a questionnaire that asks about Kyron Horman's stepmother "in hope that it helps jog people's memory" of the day the 7-year-old vanished from a northwest Portland school. The three-page form, given to Skyline Elementary School staff members, was released to the public Friday. Pictures of Kyron Horman; his stepmother, Terri Moulton Horman and a white pickup truck, similar to the one Moulton Horman drove the day Kyron disappeared, appear on the form. In a news conference Friday, Multnomah Capt. Jason Gates said the Horman family fully supported releasing the questionnaire. "We want Kyron home and we hope that this will do that," Gates said while reading a statement from the second-grader's family. Read Statement Deputies said the form should be filled out by anyone -- teachers, school employees, delivery persons, parents -- who was at Skyline School or its grounds at any time between 8 a.m. and 4 p.m. June 4. Parents who weren't at Skyline that day are instructed to fill out the form with their child, if they were present. The form asks both children and adults if they saw Kyron the day he disappeared and, if so, where he was seen and who he was with. It goes on to ask "At any time did you see Terri Horman at or near the school?" and "At any time did you see a White Ford F250 truck at or near the school?" Gates said Moulton Horman is "associated with case because she was the last person to see Kyron." The sheriff's office has not named any persons of interest or suspects in the criminal investigation. Deputies asked the form be returned June 20 between 9 a.m. and 7 p.m. at Skyline School. The questionnaire should be filled out even if people have already been interviewed by detectives. Kyron was last seen two weeks ago after a morning science fair. The case became a criminal investigation Sunday and hundreds of search crews from around the state were sent home. Deputies Dispel Rumors Gates swatted down rumors that authorities found Kyron and fingered social media as the source of the erroneous reports. "He has not been found yet and the community needs to keep looking for him. Kyron, we are still looking for you," he said. "We don't want false rumors to harm our investigation efforts and it is harmful to Kyron's family." Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: MuffyBee on June 18, 2010, 11:00:47 PM http://www.king5.com/home/Police-ask-for-info-about-Kyron-Hormans-stepmom-96672629.html
(Video) Police ask for info about Kyron Horman's stepmom June 18, 2010 PORTLAND, Ore. -- Investigators trying to find missing Oregon boy Kyron Horman have released a flier asking the public if they saw the boy’s stepmother near Portland's Skyline School on the day he vanished. A questionnaire sent to all staff, delivery drivers and students' parents at Skyline included questions such as, "Did your child see Kyron's step-mom, Terri on 6/4/10, at or near the school?" It also asked, "Did your child see a white Ford F250 pickup truck on 6/4/10 at or near the school?" Terri Horman was driving the white truck on the day Kyron disappeared. The questionnaire also showed photos of Terri and the truck. Multnomah County Capt. Jason Gates said during a press conference Friday that the photos and questions were an effort to "jog people's memory" in the case, since Terri was the last person who saw Kyron alive. Gates added that the family was in full support of the decision to circulate the new questionnaire Friday. Gates also read a statement by the family, that said, “Any parent would understand the grief that this causes our family… please know that we fully support the release of this flier and we want Kyron home and we hope that this will do that." Gates refused to comment about any possible suspects or "persons of interest" in the case. The 7-year-old went missing after a morning science fair. His absence was reported that afternoon, when he failed to return home on a school bus and his stepmother contacted the school. The case is attracting more media attention. Kyron's case will be featured on "America's Most Wanted" this weekend while searchers continue to focus on areas in and around Sauvie Island. From KGW's Sky 8 helicopter, searchers in wetsuits were seen moving through waist-high water while someone on shore provided directions. A dive team searched swamps and ponds around the rural NW Portland area, and crews also searched around the Multnomah Channel. Investigators would not say what led them to this area, but they've searched the island now for nearly a week. This week's issue of "People" magazine also shows a photo of Kyron on the cover and features an article about his case. In addition, 30 billboards were going up across Oregon with Kyron's photo and tipline. Police hope the extra attention will bring even more tips and clues for them to follow up on. Police said the tips continue to pour in, but stopped short of sharing specifics. Hoping to spark someone's memory and get new tips in the case, police recently created and circulated photos of Kyron without his glasses. The hope was that it would help people see what Kyron would look like if he was no longer wearing them. They also previously shared photos of Kyron's glasses and replicas of the clothing he was wearing when he disappeared. While strangers continued to try and reach out in any way possible, police warned that scammers were targeting some people by asking for donations to a bogus support fund. Anyone approached in person or over the phone for donations should first check with police to determine if they're legitimate. On Monday, the lead officer in the investigation into Kyron Horman’s disappearance vowed to stay on the case until it’s solved, despite scaling back search operations. “This will not become a cold case for us,” Capt. Jason Gates promised during the Monday morning press conference. On Sunday, authorities announced that the search and rescue operation had officially transformed into a criminal investigation after 10 days of searching with no sign of Kyron. $25,000 reward offered An emotional Sheriff Dan Staton announced a $25,000 reward for any information that leads to the location of Kyron. "The investigation is going in many directions and the criminal investigation is a natural progression," said Staton. Anyone who has seen Kyron or knows of his whereabouts was asked to call (503) 261-2847. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: MuffyBee on June 18, 2010, 11:06:39 PM http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/5502324/kyron_horman_age_7_still_missing_step.html
Kyron Horman, Age 7, Still Missing: Step Mom's Facts Allegedly Inconsistent June 18, 2010 Kyron Horman, age 7, is still missing. He disappeared from Skyline Elementary School in Portland, Oregon on the morning of June 4. If you have any information about his disappearance, call the tip line at 503-261-2847. Terri Horman: Kyron's Step Mom Last to See Him The last person to see Kyron was his stepmother, Terri Horman. Today police distributed an e-mail questionnaire to all parents of students at Skyline Elementary School, staff members at the school, and school delivery vehicle drivers. KGW reports that the questionnaire asked questions about if Terri Horman was seen at the school they day Kryon disappeared and if her truck was seen there. Did Kyron Leave School with Step Mother? There are reports that several teachers saw Kyron leave the school with his step mother. Help Find My Child reports that "Portland Public Schools spokesman Matt Shelby said two teachers saw Kyron with his mother and thought the two left school together." Typically, in most schools, if a parent wants to take a child out of the school building after they have arrived in school they must inform the main office and sign the child out. It seems security was very lax at Skyline Elementary school on the day of the science fair. A child has disappeared and there is not a clue as to what may have happened to him. People is reporting that "Law enforcement sources, who are not directly involved with the investigation, tell the local newspaper that Horman's story does not match her cell phone records, which reportedly reveal she may have been on nearby Sauvie Island." To see the questionnaire that was distributed by police (which contains photos of Terri Horman and her truck) go HERE http://www.flashalertnewswire.net/images/news/2010-06/1276/36184/061410.SchoolQuestionnaireadobe.hm.pdf Investigators Search Sauvie Island In recent days the search for Kyron seems to focus on Sauvie Island. KGW reports that their helicopter news team has spotted a police dive team there. Investigators have been there for 4 days. Distribute a Missing Poster of Kyron Harmon To print out a MISSING poster of Kyron Horman go HERE http://www.kgw.com/news/Flier-for-missing-boy-Kyron-Horman-95864144.html If Kyron was abducted he could now be anywhere in America or the world. Please help out in the search for Kyron by looking at his missing poster and printing it out to post it and distribute it. How Will Skyline Elementary IncreaseSchool Security? There is an exit door to a back parking lot close to Kyron's classroom. It is not protected by security. In this day and age, how can any school have doors that open to the outside world that are not kept locked or monitored? There are a lot of predators in this world. They look for opportunity for crime. An unlocked school door is an extreme hazard. School has now ended for the year at Skyline Elementary School. What will September and the new school year hold for this school? Will Kyron be back in school? Or will his disappearance still remain an unsolved mystery? Kyron Horman: So Happy at Science Fair It is easy to tell from the photo taken of him at the Science Fair that Kyron was a happy boy that day. In the photo of Kyron in front of his exhibit he has a big smile and looked very excited about his project. His project was also meticulously prepared. Kyron's parents surely spent a lot of time with him, helping him create a visually appealing project. One question does arise about the family though, since Kyron was expected to be at the talent show later in the after the science fair, how come no one from the family attended the show and noticed that Kyron wasn't there? There are many unanswered questions in this case. Prayers to Kyron and all of the missing children in America. Sources: KQW Oregon Live Help Find My Child American Chronicle People Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: MuffyBee on June 18, 2010, 11:18:06 PM http://www.nwcn.com/news/washington/Missing-girls-mother-offers-support-to-Oregon-family-96688004.html
(Video) Lindsey Baum's mother offers support to Kyron Horman's family June 18, 2010 OLYMPIA, Wash. -- Most parents don't know what it's like to have a child disappear. Unfortunately for Melissa Baum, that's not the case. "Until it happens to you," Baum told KING 5,"you don't have a clue." Baum's 10-year-old daughter Lindsey vanished while walking home from a friend's house in McCleary, Wash., last June. Melissa Baum recently wrote an email to the family of the missing 7-year-old from Oregon, Kryon Horman. Baum wanted the family to know there was someone nearby who could relate to what they were going through. That was something she needed last year. "I felt a lot more alone before I met with other families," said Baum. Baum has not heard back from the Horman family. On Friday, investigators began to ask the public for more information about Kyron's stepmother. She was the last person to see Kyron. Baum said that does not surprise her. She said in the first days after her daughter's disappearance, investigators asked her to take a polygraph test. She agreed. "I tried to be pretty open and honest," said Baum, "Because my focus was, don't waste [their] time. Find my kid." Next Saturday marks the one-year anniversary of Lindsey's disappearance. Kyron Horman's family has been invited to join Lindsey's loved ones as they mark the anniversary in Olympia. Lindsey's friends and family will be gathering in Olympia's Heritage Park from 2-8pm Saturday, June 26. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: MuffyBee on June 18, 2010, 11:28:51 PM I also posted this in Lindsey Baum's thread:
http://www.kgw.com/news/local/Wash-mom-knows-Horman-family-pain-96700339.html (Video) Wash. mom missing daughter knows Horman family pain June 18, 2010 Lindsey Baum, the daughter of Melissa Baum, disappeared in McLeary, Wash., on June 26th a year ago. On Friday, she sent a letter to the Horman family. Here is a link to Lindsey Baum's search efforts and an excerpt from Melissa Baum's letter. (When I clicked on "Here is the link" in the article I was led to : http://lindseybaum.com/ I know there is absolutely nothing that I can say or do to take away the heartache and pure anguish you are feeling, so I won't insult you with an attempt to do so. I will only say how truly sorry I am that you have been forced to join a club that shouldn't even exist.It's a club of heartbroken and forever changed parents whose children have been stolen away from them. Although, nothing anyone can say short of "We found him, he's alive and safe" can possibly comfort you; I found for myself that it does help in some way to know, speak to or meet others who have or are going through the same ordeal. I think because they are the only ones on earth that could possible know or understand what you are going though. I am praying that Kyron just wondered off somewhere and will be found safely, and don't let ANYONE tell you that isn't likely or spit "statistics" at you. Whether that is what has happened or not, never give up hope, and determination to find your son. I have found through all of this that my faith is strong, it has been tested daily just getting out of bed but it is there and what has kept me going. Without it, I don't think I would still be here typing the email to you now. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tracygirl on June 18, 2010, 11:57:43 PM Hi ALL! I am really torn in lieu of this new news. I have defended Terri (the step-mom) because I could not wrap my brain around her doing something this horrible. It is easier to put a deranged monster in this story, than a mom who has raised a family, been a school teacher, and lives in a nice home. Now I do not know what to think. Did they find cell pings of her near the search area? Why would she lie? Is it something else like an affair? The flyers scare me. They are suggestive and I have never seen tactics like this before. These flyers could create a mob mentality and Terris Horman's life might be in danger. What the heck was LE thinking? If she is guilty or a suspect bring her in for questioning and a lie detector test. I hope to God she is not guilty but if she is it scares me even more. Where were the signs? Is she a sociopath? Were there any warning signs leading up to this. In the Case with C.A. she is a compulsive liar and narcissist. I now wonder about Terri Horman. All I can say is if she did this, just about every step mother in America is going to hate this woman more then anything! It is difficult enough to be a step mom without stories like these. I have to say though, I have been a step mom, never would I hurt my step kids, I love them. My sons though were not so lucky. Their previous step mother was not the nicest person to them. Glad she is out of the pic! I have defended her because there was nothing more then speculation, no proof of anything, sort of still like that if you think about it. We have this flyer now that doesn't leave one with any other impression then they are looking at her. Yet we have the family statement saying they support this and the way the statement is written, Terri supports it too. I am still not sure what LE is doing so I am going to wait. I think there is more then meets the eye on this one. I am still not ready to jump on the step mom did this band wagon. I don't like the flyer though. It makes me feel uncomfortable that LE could do this. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: JessStar on June 19, 2010, 12:32:43 AM (http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub8/KyronQuestions.jpg) This site is driving my batty today! Deenie it is the questions that go along with this flyer. I have a question for Jess. What do you think of this flyer and these questions? Do you think legally it is a smart move if they are pointing to the step mom as a possible POI? I think it is an extremely smart move for a number of different reasons, mostly strategic. Since I use them often in my practice, and am aware of other cases in which they are being used, i prefer not to detail the reasons. Sorry. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tracygirl on June 19, 2010, 01:01:19 AM Jess you know I love ya, but you always surprise me. I was not expecting this answer at all. Sometimes I feel you always go exactly in the opposite direction of my stance, lol. I will say, I find it very interesting that a defense attorney feels it is a smart strategic move to distribute such a flyer and not scream out it is a violation of this woman rights. I will respect that you say you can't comment, (although by not commenting, you commented, lol.)
Thanks for posting Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tracygirl on June 19, 2010, 02:14:16 AM Has anyone taken a look at the children stories that have been writen by the grandfather? I have read a few and have to say, they give me chills. If you have not read them, please do.
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Itaryl Moosee on June 19, 2010, 02:37:00 AM "Jaymie Finster, a longtime friend, said Horman is "tired and frustrated with the intensity of the questioning she's been getting."
After taking one polygraph test, Finster said, Horman is taking another one Saturday and "she's not very happy about it." Finster has known Horman since they went to junior high in Roseburg and worked together in the Hillsboro School District, where Finster is a special ed teacher. She said Horman and her husband, Kaine, are exhausted as the investigation drags on." "Finster said Horman had told Kyron's teacher the day before that she was taking the boy to the doctor on Friday, June 11, and gave the teacher paperwork to fill out related to the appointment. Finster said that when Kyron didn't show up at the bus the afternoon of June 4, Horman talked to the teacher who said she thought that Horman had taken Kyron to the doctor that day. Horman told Finster that the child's teacher was new, in her first year of teaching, and was hard of hearing in one ear. "She doesn't know if she understood her," Finster said." http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/friend_says_terry_moulton_horm.html Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: seahorse on June 19, 2010, 07:33:01 AM Goodmorning Monkey's,
A Talent show? Was a Talent show scheculed after the Science Fair? Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: seahorse on June 19, 2010, 07:44:31 AM http://www.facebook.com/pages/Missing-Kyron-Horman/125336750831264
If only these steps were taken in the Haleigh Cummings case... God Bless to all who built this facebook page and to Bryon's school, everyone, surely, had a hand in trying to locate Kyron. Hat's off to the Sherriff for such an extension search to find a precious child. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: seahorse on June 19, 2010, 07:47:50 AM Kyron Horman's stepmother -- who became the most prominent figure in the investigation into the boy's disappearance Friday -- is scheduled to take a second polygraph test Saturday, according to a friend. After taking one polygraph test, Finster said, Horman is taking another one Saturday and "she's not very happy about it." Finster has known Horman since they went to junior high in Roseburg and worked together in the Hillsboro School District, where Finster is a special ed teacher. She said Horman and her husband, Kaine, are http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/friend_says_terry_moulton_horm.html Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: seahorse on June 19, 2010, 07:56:05 AM snip...
After leaving the school, Terri went about her day, running errands and taking care of household chores. She is a former elementary school teacher and has worked as a substitute teacher at various schools, but Moulton said that in recent years she has mainly been a stay-at-home mom. Kyron's father, Kaine Horman, works at Intel's main administrative facility in Oregon, the Jones Farm campus in Hillsboro, the company said. Kyron's biological mother, Desiree Horman, and his father were officially divorced in February 2003, according to Washington County Circuit Court records. Carol Moulton said that Kaine, 36, and Terri, 40, have been together for seven or eight years and that they have been married for four or five years. The couple have an 18-month-old girl. "Terri has raised Kyron," her mother said. "She's been with him since he was an infant. She's as much of a mom as the mom is because the parents had separated about the time that Kyron was born." http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/details_emerge_about_the_day_k.html Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: JessStar on June 19, 2010, 08:51:11 AM Jess you know I love ya, but you always surprise me. I was not expecting this answer at all. Sometimes I feel you always go exactly in the opposite direction of my stance, lol. I will say, I find it very interesting that a defense attorney feels it is a smart strategic move to distribute such a flyer and not scream out it is a violation of this woman rights. I will respect that you say you can't comment, (although by not commenting, you commented, lol.) Thanks for posting Luv ya to TG! But, first, let me say that I'm not a criminal defense attorney. I've never defended a criminal and I never will! I will say that I've defended many many many civil cases though. I don't see how a questionnaire asking for information about the disappearance of a little boy constitutes a violation of civil rights. I fail to see what "civil rights" are being violated. This is merely an informational questionnaire asking pointed questions about the person who admitted to being one of the last people to see Kyron along with the vehicle she drives (someone may have seen her vehicle but not her). Now, you may be comparing my position on this to my position on the release of sensitive information in the Sandra Cantu case. In that case, I felt the rights of Sandra's parents and family to maintain their privacy should trump the public's "right to know." (I think Sandra's mom's attorney said it best when he argued that the media is like a spoiled little kid whose not used to hearing the word "no.") There's no comparison between the two. In Sandra's case, you have two competing enumerated rights. In Kyron's case, no enumerated rights are implicated on either side, unless you want to include Kyron's right to "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness." I understand that many people think this questionnaire will put the step mom at risk. Candidly, I think any "risk" is the product of media hype and sensationalism, and not the product of this questionnaire. Again, it merely asks questions that include questions about one of the last people to see Kyron and the vehicle she is known to drive. But in my mind, when you're talking about the life of a child, and the clock is ticking, ticking, ticking while the chances of finding the child alive is dwindling exponentially with every passing moment, you take certain chances. You can't control what the media will do and say. If there's one thing you can ALWAYS predict about me, it's that I will ALWAYS come down on the side of the child. And that's where I land here. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 19, 2010, 10:26:18 AM Thank-you JessStar for your info. I have been glancing on two other boards about this case, and I keep seeing reference to the fact that Kyron may have aspergers and I see mention of some other disorders, and have no idea why people are suggesting that. I have not seen anything like that in any articles, and just wondered if any one else has. Don't know if people are starting rumors or what, and I want to say my asking this question, I'm by no means starting a rumor. Just can't figure out why I'm reading this.
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: seahorse on June 19, 2010, 11:16:21 AM http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?t=369413&page=8
Interesting link's by Karibear, # 307 I did not want to bring it over. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 19, 2010, 11:20:00 AM http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?t=369413&page=8 Wow, she sure looks different now.Interesting link's by Karibear, # 307 I did not want to bring it over. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tamikosmom on June 19, 2010, 11:35:42 AM It appears to be a certainty that Kryon and Terri were at the school that morning. There was his backpack and at least two credible witnesses.
What bothers me is that Terri's stepson is missing and ... according to cell records she lies about her whereabouts that day. Janet ++++++ Details emerge about the day Kyron Horman turned up missing Published: Saturday, June 05, 2010, 11:21 PM Updated: Friday, June 18, 2010, 5:02 PM They arrived sometime after the school opened about 8 a.m., went to his classroom, dropped off his coat and backpack and he showed his stepmother his exhibit, "The Red-Eyed Tree Frog." ... Although the school usually opens at 8:35 a.m. and the final bell rings 10 minutes later, the school opened as early as 8 Friday for the science fair, said Matt Shelby, spokesman for Portland Public Schools. Other students and parents showed up early as well to check out the fair, and Terri and Kyron saw people they knew while looking at the exhibits, Carol Moulton said. Terri often volunteers at the school, working closely with Kyron's teacher, Kristina Porter. Shelby said that Porter saw Kyron in her classroom with his stepmom before 8:45 a.m. and another instructor reported seeing him in another classroom at some point. At 8:45 a.m. when the bell rang, Terri walked her stepson down the hall close to his class http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/details_emerge_about_the_day_k.html Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: klaasend on June 19, 2010, 11:47:26 AM http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?t=369413&page=8 Wow, she sure looks different now.Interesting link's by Karibear, # 307 I did not want to bring it over. She had to have been taking steroids to get this big. Wonder if she was back on them. Roid rage? (http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub8/181189_jpgKYRONSTEPMOMPUMPED.jpg) Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 19, 2010, 11:50:24 AM I was wondering the same thing about the roid rage, scary. I got a shot of cortisone on my upper foot a few months back, and got a bad reaction, and felt rage inside, no way would I get a shot like that again. Can't even imagine the rage one gets from steroids.
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: theboyzmom on June 19, 2010, 12:11:12 PM Jess you know I love ya, but you always surprise me. I was not expecting this answer at all. Sometimes I feel you always go exactly in the opposite direction of my stance, lol. I will say, I find it very interesting that a defense attorney feels it is a smart strategic move to distribute such a flyer and not scream out it is a violation of this woman rights. I will respect that you say you can't comment, (although by not commenting, you commented, lol.) Thanks for posting Tracygirl - I have to say I agree with Jess. When I worked as a paralegal more information was always better. The worse that happens is you find that your client is guilty - the best is you find that they are not. Either way you know. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: seahorse on June 19, 2010, 12:15:09 PM Klaas,
May we please have a "who's who" in Kyron Horman's investigation? I am getting a little puzzled with S.M.'s step sons, sons and etc. Thank-you for your time, Seahorse Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: seahorse on June 19, 2010, 12:18:46 PM http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?t=369413&page=8 Wow, she sure looks different now.Interesting link's by Karibear, # 307 I did not want to bring it over. No Rose, Yes, she sure does look different, I guess she is eating too many donuts at bake sales. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Itaryl Moosee on June 19, 2010, 12:21:24 PM This is the other link from the post, posting it for the heck of it.
http://www.twixpix.com/emeraldcup/05/twx_EC05Intro_14.html Apparently, it's from 2005. What a difference marriage, kids, and BonBons do to you. :( Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tamikosmom on June 19, 2010, 12:40:07 PM Kyron Horman Case: Stepmother Under Scrutiny 19 June, 2010 The cops investigating into mysterious disappearance of Kyron Horman have shifted their focus on the stepmother of the seven-year old boy. Terri Horman had told dispatchers that she had seen the boy at 8:45 am on June 4th as he was walking after attending a science festival at his school in Oregon. It was the last time anyone had seen the seven-year old boy Meanwhile, authorities have placed flyers everywhere, seeking inputs from the locals. In the flyers, authorities ask whether anyone had seen Kyron. They also ask people whether they saw Terri Horman or her white Ford Truck on the day Kyron went missing. The flyers apparently indicate that investigators have shifted their focus on Terri Horman. According to reports, Mrs Horman’s testimonial differed from her cell phone details. Kyron’s mysterious disappearance has drawn wide attention with several groups stepping up pressure on the investigators to solve the case soon. Kyron’s family recently addressed a press conference where they thanked the local people for their utmost co-operation. They also issued an emotional appeal to Kyron to keep up search. http://www.usanewsweek.com/news/Kyron-Horman-Case---Stepmother-Under-Scrutiny-1276962991/ Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tamikosmom on June 19, 2010, 12:50:33 PM Police: Dive teams involved in search for missing Oregon boyBy Gabriel Falcon, CNN
June 17, 2010 2:31 p.m. EDT (CNN) -- Police divers looked in undisclosed waterways for evidence Wednesday connected to the disappearance of an Oregon boy who vanished from his school nearly two weeks ago, authorities told CNN. "We had dive teams out helping, but I can't talk about the specifics where they were searching," said Lt. Mary Lindstrand, spokeswoman for the Multnomah County Sheriff's Office. Lindstrand would not provide details of the operation but said the dive teams have previously been at the location. Kyron Horman, 7, was last seen the morning of June 4 walking down the hallway of Skyline Elementary School in Portland as he headed to his second-grade classroom, his stepmother has told investigators, according to police. The investigation, which originally was classified as a missing endangered child case, now has been labeled a criminal probe. Authorities have pursued hundreds of leads from Oregon and beyond. "We were at 1,200 [tips] the first week, and they've been coming in steady since," Lindstrand said. Linstrand added she is hopeful that Kyron will be found alive. "That would be the best outcome," she said. A Tuesday prayer vigil for Kyron at Sunset Presbyterian Church drew hundreds of people. Kyron was wearing dark cargo pants and a black T-shirt with the "CSI" logo on it at the time of his disappearance. He is 3 feet 8 inches tall, weighs 50 pounds and has brown hair and blue eyes. Anyone with information on Kyron's whereabouts is asked to call the Multnomah County Sheriff's Office. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: seahorse on June 19, 2010, 12:53:21 PM http://www.justicequest.net/forums/showthread.php?p=407382
Poster Aubrey: Post #8 SM resume? Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 19, 2010, 12:59:03 PM http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?t=369413&page=8 Wow, she sure looks different now.Interesting link's by Karibear, # 307 I did not want to bring it over. No Rose, Yes, she sure does look different, I guess she is eating too many donuts at bake sales. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 19, 2010, 01:01:11 PM http://www.justicequest.net/forums/showthread.php?p=407382 She is certainly a very qualified teacher, thanks for that info.Poster Aubrey: Post #8 SM resume? Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: seahorse on June 19, 2010, 01:05:38 PM http://www.justicequest.net/forums/showthread.php?p=407382 She is certainly a very qualified teacher, thanks for that info.Poster Aubrey: Post #8 SM resume? Yes, according to the Resume she is qualified, I haven't checked if she really attended the college or not. I want to be accurate and not assume anything so we get good, crisp information and not rumors. NoRose, I have read that Pop and SM went to the Gym together on that fateful day, have you heart anything about that? Thank-you in advance:) Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: seahorse on June 19, 2010, 01:06:50 PM http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?t=369413&page=8 Wow, she sure looks different now.Interesting link's by Karibear, # 307 I did not want to bring it over. No Rose, Yes, she sure does look different, I guess she is eating too many donuts at bake sales. Ditto! Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: bjinsco on June 19, 2010, 01:15:31 PM Hi Everyone -
Been following this case - it's so heartbreaking. Poor little guy. I want to say, I enjoy reading all your great posts. I am convinced someone who knew Kyron (cough-TH, MO) is responsible for his disappearance and this is why - BBM http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-20007724-504083.html "It's not a search-and-rescue operation anymore," Gates said in a press conference. He added that parents in the area need not take extra precautions with their children. Authorities have said since the earliest days of the investigation that they believe Kyron's disappearance was an isolated case. "There is no reason to believe that the kids are in any danger here, Gates said. I don't think LE would say that if they weren't convinced themselves. So hard to say this but maybe LE should start 'digging' as well as diving. :( Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: klaasend on June 19, 2010, 01:16:11 PM Klaas, May we please have a "who's who" in Kyron Horman's investigation? I am getting a little puzzled with S.M.'s step sons, sons and etc. Thank-you for your time, Seahorse What I can do is move Kyron to the high profile area then we can have multiple threads for him including a who's who. Give me a few minutes. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: seahorse on June 19, 2010, 01:36:26 PM http://www.katu.com/news/local/96033344.html?tab=video
Towards the end of the video about .53 on the clip shows (I believe) Pop & SM leaving Gym. I do not know what day or time were leaving the gym. The video states that SM has been on FB chatting about her work-outs, pretty important, I guess. Where the heck is Kyron? Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 19, 2010, 01:46:21 PM http://www.justicequest.net/forums/showthread.php?p=407382 She is certainly a very qualified teacher, thanks for that info.Poster Aubrey: Post #8 SM resume? Yes, according to the Resume she is qualified, I haven't checked if she really attended the college or not. I want to be accurate and not assume anything so we get good, crisp information and not rumors. NoRose, I have read that Pop and SM went to the Gym together on that fateful day, have you heart anything about that? Thank-you in advance:) Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 19, 2010, 02:17:45 PM http://www.katu.com/news/local/96033344.html?tab=video I'm just confused how one goes about everyday life under these circumstances. The gym would be the last thing on my mind.Towards the end of the video about .53 on the clip shows (I believe) Pop & SM leaving Gym. I do not know what day or time were leaving the gym. The video states that SM has been on FB chatting about her work-outs, pretty important, I guess. Where the heck is Kyron? Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: MuffyBee on June 19, 2010, 02:46:02 PM http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/kyron_hormans_blended_family_f.html
Kyron Horman's blended family: Friends describe a close, supportive group Saturday, June 19, 2010 ((edit to remove copyrighted material per request)) Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: MuffyBee on June 19, 2010, 02:50:35 PM http://www.seattlepi.com/local/422054_missing19.html
Friend: Stepmom of missing boy to take polygraph test PORTLAND, Ore. (AP) - The stepmother of missing Oregon boy Kyron Horman is scheduled to take a second polygraph test Saturday. That's according to Jaymie Finster, a longtime friend of Terri Moulton Horman. Finster told The Oregonian newspaper that Terri Horman is "tired and frustrated" with the intensity of questioning she's been getting. The Multnomah County Sheriff's Office has declined to name Terri Horman as a person-of-interest in the investigation and won't say who has been given a lie-detector test. <snip> Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: MuffyBee on June 19, 2010, 02:52:12 PM http://www.statesman.com/news/nation/nation-digest-request-for-boy-scouts-records-is-756689.html
Nation Digest: Request for Boy Scouts records is granted, then stayed June 18, 2010 OREGON Scout record request is granted, then stayed PORTLAND — A judge granted and then stayed a request by news organizations to release more than 1,000 Boy Scouts of America files on suspected child molesters given to a jury that found the Scouts liable for $20 million in damages. Judge John Wittmayer ruled the files should be released after the names of victims and people who reported abuse are redacted. But the judge also stayed his order pending an appeal by the Boy Scouts. Police seek help over boy's disappearance <snip> Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tracygirl on June 19, 2010, 02:59:03 PM Jess you know I love ya, but you always surprise me. I was not expecting this answer at all. Sometimes I feel you always go exactly in the opposite direction of my stance, lol. I will say, I find it very interesting that a defense attorney feels it is a smart strategic move to distribute such a flyer and not scream out it is a violation of this woman rights. I will respect that you say you can't comment, (although by not commenting, you commented, lol.) Thanks for posting Luv ya to TG! But, first, let me say that I'm not a criminal defense attorney. I've never defended a criminal and I never will! I will say that I've defended many many many civil cases though. I don't see how a questionnaire asking for information about the disappearance of a little boy constitutes a violation of civil rights. I fail to see what "civil rights" are being violated. This is merely an informational questionnaire asking pointed questions about the person who admitted to being one of the last people to see Kyron along with the vehicle she drives (someone may have seen her vehicle but not her). Now, you may be comparing my position on this to my position on the release of sensitive information in the Sandra Cantu case. In that case, I felt the rights of Sandra's parents and family to maintain their privacy should trump the public's "right to know." (I think Sandra's mom's attorney said it best when he argued that the media is like a spoiled little kid whose not used to hearing the word "no.") There's no comparison between the two. In Sandra's case, you have two competing enumerated rights. In Kyron's case, no enumerated rights are implicated on either side, unless you want to include Kyron's right to "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness." I understand that many people think this questionnaire will put the step mom at risk. Candidly, I think any "risk" is the product of media hype and sensationalism, and not the product of this questionnaire. Again, it merely asks questions that include questions about one of the last people to see Kyron and the vehicle she is known to drive. But in my mind, when you're talking about the life of a child, and the clock is ticking, ticking, ticking while the chances of finding the child alive is dwindling exponentially with every passing moment, you take certain chances. You can't control what the media will do and say. If there's one thing you can ALWAYS predict about me, it's that I will ALWAYS come down on the side of the child. And that's where I land here. Jess I think the flyer is leading and suggestive. The pic of Kyron, the truck and the step mom together on the same page from LE and then questions about if anyone saw them together...? Well in my mind that is suggestive, but more importantly, especially to a child. This is a criminal case, these kids are afraid. As for what a witness saw, one of the hardest things for a witness to recall is the color of a vehicle. Happened to me just the other day in fact! I had to call in a tip regarding a car and I couldn't honestly recall if it was green or blue. Someone that morning may have seen a silver truck and now in their mind that truck is white. This is a violation Jess because how can she be expected to receive a fair trial if arrested and charged? If she did this, I do not want her to be let off on some technicality because police have to make some grand stand move and not simply call people down to the station and ask them these questions. We all want for the person who took Kyron to be found, put on trial and then if found guilty by a jury, be put in jail. She has not been charged with anything. If she is innocent she will never be able to live in that community again. She has a right to a fair trial regardless if she is guilty or innocent. These questions will not allow for anymore information then what LE, if doing their job, should already know. Are they trying to get her to crack? Well I am sure if they knew how to interrogate someone they could get her to crack. This strategy I cannot support. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tracygirl on June 19, 2010, 03:02:35 PM http://www.katu.com/news/local/96033344.html?tab=video I'm just confused how one goes about everyday life under these circumstances. The gym would be the last thing on my mind.Towards the end of the video about .53 on the clip shows (I believe) Pop & SM leaving Gym. I do not know what day or time were leaving the gym. The video states that SM has been on FB chatting about her work-outs, pretty important, I guess. Where the heck is Kyron? She was at one time a professional body builder. Going to the gym to her is like taking a shower, going to the bathroom, brushing your hair, eating food. These people spend hours upon hours in the gym, like 8 hours just working out. So I can say for me personally I wouldn't go to the gym that would pretty much be the last thing I would do, but for someone who is into that sort of thing, I can understand it. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: seahorse on June 19, 2010, 03:17:06 PM http://www.katu.com/news/local/96033344.html?tab=video I'm just confused how one goes about everyday life under these circumstances. The gym would be the last thing on my mind.Towards the end of the video about .53 on the clip shows (I believe) Pop & SM leaving Gym. I do not know what day or time were leaving the gym. The video states that SM has been on FB chatting about her work-outs, pretty important, I guess. Where the heck is Kyron? She was at one time a professional body builder. Going to the gym to her is like taking a shower, going to the bathroom, brushing your hair, eating food. These people spend hours upon hours in the gym, like 8 hours just working out. So I can say for me personally I wouldn't go to the gym that would pretty much be the last thing I would do, but for someone who is into that sort of thing, I can understand it. SM is the most self-discipline person on the planet. Imagine that ..she isn't thanking the public for their support.. instead working out with her Popeye muscles. She certainly is focused... Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: seahorse on June 19, 2010, 03:23:17 PM http://www.katu.com/news/local/96033344.html?tab=video I'm just confused how one goes about everyday life under these circumstances. The gym would be the last thing on my mind.Towards the end of the video about .53 on the clip shows (I believe) Pop & SM leaving Gym. I do not know what day or time were leaving the gym. The video states that SM has been on FB chatting about her work-outs, pretty important, I guess. Where the heck is Kyron? NoRose, How does she focus on driving a car? The gym (I guess) is natural to her, but isn't she distracted (just a little) not knowing if Kyron is hungry or wet and cold in the forrest? She has a goal to be met, this is my guess, she must be focused on getting back to her dream. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tracygirl on June 19, 2010, 03:27:49 PM http://www.portlandtribune.com/news/story_2nd.php?story_id=127687387448812800
Investigators say Kyron’s family cooperating as search continues UPDATE • Sheriff’s office tries to dispel rumors about boy's disappearance By Jennifer Anderson The Portland Tribune, Jun 18, 2010, Updated 3.8 hours ago (13 Reader comments) ADVERTISEMENTS << Prev. Page 1 | 2 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- • Click here to listen as Capt. Gates reads a statement from the Horman family, Friday, June 18. • Click here to listen as Gates answers questions about the investigation. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Willamette Week cited Friday five unnamed law enforcement officials who say Terri Horman’s cell phone “pings” showed she was on Sauvie Island the day Kyron disappeared – which differs from her account of her whereabouts that day. Gates also said that a sheriff’s captain was no longer living around the clock with the family, but does have regular contact with them. Kyron’s biological mother and stepfather are still in Portland as the investigation continues, he said. Uncle in a Washington jail Regarding Kyron's uncle, Kristian Horman, Gates said detectives are “following up on that,” working with detectives in the Seattle area. Kristian Scott Horman of Everett, Wash., (and brother of Kaine Horman, Kyron’s father) was convicted of child molestation charges (stemming from another child) Wednesday and booked into Snohomish County Jail with no bail. According to the Snohomish County Sheriff's Office, Kristian Horman was originally arrested in February 2009 for third-degree child molestation in the October 2008 case of his 15-year-old stepdaughter. He was released on parole and not in custody until being convicted and booked into jail June 16. He was sentenced to 180 days in jail. Third-degree child molestation is a Class C felony. Rebecca Hover, a Snohomish County Sheriff’s Office spokeswoman, said she's “not aware of any law enforcement agency that's called our agency about Kyron or Kristian Horman.” Swamped by calls of interest from the national media, she said, she has checked with her county's major crimes and special investigations unit, and they had not been familiar with any connection to the Kyron Horman case. According to Kristian Horman's booking documents, he had no prior record of criminal charges other than failing to renew his vehicle registration. The molestation incident occured when "they were all in the same house, in the same bed," said Hal Hupp, the prosecutor in the case. "He almost immediately admitted he'd done what he'd done." Hover said Kristian Horman has declined to speak to the media, but refers calls to his Seattle attorney, Donna Johnston. Johnston did not return the Tribune's call seeking comment. Social media rumors Gates also dispelled some of the recent rumors that have floated around on social networking sites, some of which mistakenly reported that the boy’s body had been found. “We understand the community has many questions,” Gates said, “But we’re trying not to make any mistakes; to be as perfect as we can in investigating the case.” Hundreds of search and rescue teams from across the state and the Northwest searched for 11 days around Skyline School in rural Northwest Multnomah County for any trace of Kyron after his stepmother reported him missing. The FBI child abduction unit joined the search – unprecedented in its magnitude — in the first couple of days. It is now considered a criminal investigation. The shocking and mysterious nature of the case is still attracting nationwide media attention, landing on the cover of People magazine on Friday and having been a fixture on CNN and other network news programs over the past two weeks. KPAM 860 and Tribune reporter Jim Redden contributed to this news story. Who all was in bed together? According to the charge and what Jess and I surmised, it must of been 2 minors along with him. Who caught him? Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: seahorse on June 19, 2010, 03:28:06 PM http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8168.0
Thank-you, Klaas, for the link. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tracygirl on June 19, 2010, 03:31:44 PM http://www.katu.com/news/local/96033344.html?tab=video I'm just confused how one goes about everyday life under these circumstances. The gym would be the last thing on my mind.Towards the end of the video about .53 on the clip shows (I believe) Pop & SM leaving Gym. I do not know what day or time were leaving the gym. The video states that SM has been on FB chatting about her work-outs, pretty important, I guess. Where the heck is Kyron? NoRose, How does she focus on driving a car? The gym (I guess) is natural to her, but isn't she distracted (just a little) not knowing if Kyron is hungry or wet and cold in the forrest? She has a goal to be met, this is my guess, she must be focused on getting back to her dream. So do you think the dad cares about the well being of his son? He was at the gym as well Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tracygirl on June 19, 2010, 03:41:29 PM http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/kyron_hormans_blended_family_f.html "Damage Control"? that should be the title of this piece, lol. Kyron Horman's blended family: Friends describe a close, supportive group Saturday, June 19, 2010 ((edit)) R.Neil Horman is Kaines adoptive father. biological father, Kurtis Mengel, interesting. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: seahorse on June 19, 2010, 04:10:04 PM http://www.justicequest.net/forums/showthread.php?p=406482
A detailed list associated with Bryon on the above site for reference. I am trying to abide by Blog laws of the land. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: seahorse on June 19, 2010, 04:17:54 PM http://www.katu.com/news/local/96033344.html?tab=video I'm just confused how one goes about everyday life under these circumstances. The gym would be the last thing on my mind.Towards the end of the video about .53 on the clip shows (I believe) Pop & SM leaving Gym. I do not know what day or time were leaving the gym. The video states that SM has been on FB chatting about her work-outs, pretty important, I guess. Where the heck is Kyron? NoRose, How does she focus on driving a car? The gym (I guess) is natural to her, but isn't she distracted (just a little) not knowing if Kyron is hungry or wet and cold in the forrest? She has a goal to be met, this is my guess, she must be focused on getting back to her dream. So do you think the dad cares about the well being of his son? He was at the gym as well Thank-you for a reality check they were "both" leaving the gym. Crying out loud, why didn't they say thank-you for all the support, thanks to the Divers, thanks for Billboards that were donated..they don't need to say anything but Thank-you, Thank-you, Thank-you, people are risking their lives, time and resources. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: flutter1 on June 19, 2010, 04:44:45 PM This is the other link from the post, posting it for the heck of it. http://www.twixpix.com/emeraldcup/05/twx_EC05Intro_14.html Apparently, it's from 2005. What a difference marriage, kids, and BonBons do to you. :( It is amazing what a little Crisco can do to the bod! ;) Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 19, 2010, 05:24:21 PM I understand that body builders spend a lot of time in the gym, but Terri looks like she hasn't spent a lot of time in the jail lately, just saying, and not trying to be mean. Looks like those muscular body building days are over with.
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tracygirl on June 19, 2010, 06:31:52 PM I understand that body builders spend a lot of time in the gym, but Terri looks like she hasn't spent a lot of time in the jail lately, just saying, and not trying to be mean. Looks like those muscular body building days are over with. I don't know how to respond to that. Obviously they still go to the gym since they are members of one. For them it was something to do to relieve stress. I am not sure what difference it makes to be honest with you. They were not out partying it up at a bar, they were exercising. I will tell you what bothers me and I am not sure if there is an explanation of why this is, but on the pic of the science project, Kyron's left arm seems to be missing. I don't know what could cause this, perhaps uploading error? I have been trying to find out why that could be. He doesn't seem to be holding his arm behind his back as I first thought, it is not there. I am not sure where the pic came from. Was it a snap shot or was it taken off a website? Could a pic of him been super imposed onto a pic of the project? I don't know, hopefully those with experience in this subject can answer or maybe give an explanation. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 19, 2010, 06:43:09 PM I understand that body builders spend a lot of time in the gym, but Terri looks like she hasn't spent a lot of time in the jail lately, just saying, and not trying to be mean. Looks like those muscular body building days are over with. I don't know how to respond to that. Obviously they still go to the gym since they are members of one. For them it was something to do to relieve stress. I am not sure what difference it makes to be honest with you. They were not out partying it up at a bar, they were exercising. I will tell you what bothers me and I am not sure if there is an explanation of why this is, but on the pic of the science project, Kyron's left arm seems to be missing. I don't know what could cause this, perhaps uploading error? I have been trying to find out why that could be. He doesn't seem to be holding his arm behind his back as I first thought, it is not there. I am not sure where the pic came from. Was it a snap shot or was it taken off a website? Could a pic of him been super imposed onto a pic of the project? I don't know, hopefully those with experience in this subject can answer or maybe give an explanation. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tracygirl on June 19, 2010, 07:06:58 PM I wouldn't go to the gym either although I work out. I don't know, people react differently given their own experiences and life styles. I try to remind myself that I am not in that position and what I would do or not do doesn't really matter. It is what they are doing or not doing and if that is a dysfunctional behavior or not. In this case, they were exercising. That to me doesn't sound like something bad.
About the arm. That bothers me and I can't seem to find an explanation for it that is why I am bring it here. You can see the area where the arm should be and it is the area of the project. If it hadn't taken in that spot, then I would guess the area where the arm should be would be blank, but it is not. There is probably an explanation, but I don't know enough about this to figure it out I guess. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: JessStar on June 19, 2010, 07:27:02 PM Jess you know I love ya, but you always surprise me. I was not expecting this answer at all. Sometimes I feel you always go exactly in the opposite direction of my stance, lol. I will say, I find it very interesting that a defense attorney feels it is a smart strategic move to distribute such a flyer and not scream out it is a violation of this woman rights. I will respect that you say you can't comment, (although by not commenting, you commented, lol.) Thanks for posting Luv ya to TG! But, first, let me say that I'm not a criminal defense attorney. I've never defended a criminal and I never will! I will say that I've defended many many many civil cases though. I don't see how a questionnaire asking for information about the disappearance of a little boy constitutes a violation of civil rights. I fail to see what "civil rights" are being violated. This is merely an informational questionnaire asking pointed questions about the person who admitted to being one of the last people to see Kyron along with the vehicle she drives (someone may have seen her vehicle but not her). Now, you may be comparing my position on this to my position on the release of sensitive information in the Sandra Cantu case. In that case, I felt the rights of Sandra's parents and family to maintain their privacy should trump the public's "right to know." (I think Sandra's mom's attorney said it best when he argued that the media is like a spoiled little kid whose not used to hearing the word "no.") There's no comparison between the two. In Sandra's case, you have two competing enumerated rights. In Kyron's case, no enumerated rights are implicated on either side, unless you want to include Kyron's right to "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness." I understand that many people think this questionnaire will put the step mom at risk. Candidly, I think any "risk" is the product of media hype and sensationalism, and not the product of this questionnaire. Again, it merely asks questions that include questions about one of the last people to see Kyron and the vehicle she is known to drive. But in my mind, when you're talking about the life of a child, and the clock is ticking, ticking, ticking while the chances of finding the child alive is dwindling exponentially with every passing moment, you take certain chances. You can't control what the media will do and say. If there's one thing you can ALWAYS predict about me, it's that I will ALWAYS come down on the side of the child. And that's where I land here. Jess I think the flyer is leading and suggestive. The pic of Kyron, the truck and the step mom together on the same page from LE and then questions about if anyone saw them together...? Well in my mind that is suggestive, but more importantly, especially to a child. This is a criminal case, these kids are afraid. As for what a witness saw, one of the hardest things for a witness to recall is the color of a vehicle. Happened to me just the other day in fact! I had to call in a tip regarding a car and I couldn't honestly recall if it was green or blue. Someone that morning may have seen a silver truck and now in their mind that truck is white. This is a violation Jess because how can she be expected to receive a fair trial if arrested and charged? If she did this, I do not want her to be let off on some technicality because police have to make some grand stand move and not simply call people down to the station and ask them these questions. We all want for the person who took Kyron to be found, put on trial and then if found guilty by a jury, be put in jail. She has not been charged with anything. If she is innocent she will never be able to live in that community again. She has a right to a fair trial regardless if she is guilty or innocent. These questions will not allow for anymore information then what LE, if doing their job, should already know. Are they trying to get her to crack? Well I am sure if they knew how to interrogate someone they could get her to crack. This strategy I cannot support. Are you suggesting that this woman, if guilty, will not be able to receive a fair trial because of this questionnaire? Believe me, TG, if she's ultimately charged, this little questionnaire is the least of her worries. In my opinion, this little questionnaire is innocuous, and will have no effect whatsoever on her "right to a fair trial." Significantly, it poses not a single "technical" issue that would allow her to be let off (assuming she's guilty). It's an investigation tool. With all due respect, to suggest that these questions will not allow for anymore information than what LE should already know shows a fundamental misunderstanding of how criminal investigations work. First, without a lead, you can't just go around hauling everyone downtown and interrogating them. Not only is that abusive, ineffective and inefficient, it's expensive and VERY inconvenient and disruptive to the people. Second, oftentimes people may see something but, for whatever reason, they "don't want to get involved." I see that ALL THE TIME. One might ask, "But there's a child's life at stake!" But some people don't care. They rather not get involved. Think Kitty Genevese. I'm not going to get into the strategy because a magician never tells his secrets. LOL You certainly have the right to disagree with the strategy. I happen to think it's a great strategy. One last comment and I'll let you or whomever else wants to chime in have the last word. I happen to think many people are reacting the way they are to this flier because they have a preconceived notion or belief that stepmom has something to do with Kyron's disappearance. Therefore, they think this flier is suggestive. If you look at the flier in a vacuum, as an investigation tool (which is what it is intended to be), it is asking questions that are asked in every single investigation that has ever ever ever been conducted. Other than being targeted to a specific audience, i find it no different than a Reward Poster that would say something like "KYRON HORMAN-MISSING CHILD-LAST SEEN WITH HIS STEPMOTHER TERRI HORMAN AT SCHOOL GETTING OUT OF TERRI HORMAN'S WHITE PICKUP TRUCK. IF YOU HAVE ANY INFORMATION, PLEASE CALL XXXXXXXX" Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: doubledecker on June 19, 2010, 07:32:04 PM hi tracyG.... just reading about the photo...
you know, I just took that photo and blew it up in photoshop and changed the contrast etc every which way possible. Of course I am no expert either, but I have fooled with photos for years, etc... and usually if you add the photo to something there are rough edges. You have to smudge or blur them together. When you do that sometimes the colors of one thing will smear over into the other thing. When I blow this photo up I can see where some of the green from the poster is smeared over into Kyron's hair. Just a little dab, but it is green in his hair. I also see a yellow line around the left side(kyron's right side) all the way around the t-shirt except in the area where it is up against the red part... no lighter area around there. I also see an out-of-place white line where his arm is suppose to be. there is a piece of the exibit there but there is also a white line that goes nowhere. I have done that many times when trying to blob something out of a photo. Now I can't be sure someone "doctored" this up, but I am going to try to find someone who knows more about this than I do... perhaps even someone on this forum is a photoshop expert. I'm not, I am just an "experienced" one. Now "if" someone did this, they did a very good job of it, very good. but that green inside the hair from the color of the poster, really bothers me. Is it possible it is normal? I don't know. but what I do know 100% is there is green running from the poster over into kyrons hair. (Edit-correct typo per doubledecker) Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: doubledecker on June 19, 2010, 07:35:33 PM hi tracyG.... just reading about the photo... you know, I just took that photo and blew it up in photoshop and changed the contrast etc every which way possible. Of course I am no expert either, but I have fooled with photos for years, etc... and usually if you add the photo to something there are rough edges. You have to smudge or blur them together. When you do that sometimes the colors of one thing will smear over into the other thing. When I blow this photo up I can see where some of the green from the poster is smeared over into Kyron's hair. Just a little dab, but it is green in his hair. I also see a yellow line around the left side(kyron's right side) all the way around the t-shirt except in the area where it is up against the red part... no lighter area around there. I also see an out-of-place white line where his arm is suppose to be. there is a piece of the exibit there but there is also a white line that goes nowhere. I have done that many times when trying to blob something out of a photo. Now I can be sure someone "doctored" this up, but I am going to try to find someone who knows more about this than I do... perhaps even someone on this forum is a photoshop expert. I'm not, I am just an "experienced" one. Now "if" someone did this, they did a very good job of it, very good. but that green inside the hair from the color of the poster, really bothers me. Is it possible it is normal? I don't know. but what I do know 100% is there is green running from the poster over into kyrons hair. self edit above in read. I have put CAN... I meant to say CAN'T Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: sunshine12 on June 19, 2010, 07:43:53 PM i personally think Kyron just has his arm behind his back. if kyron was really missing an arm, it would have been part of the physical description of him given by police when he went missing.
i think maybe step mom was given a second polygraph because new information/questions have come to light since the first polygraph that they need answers on, or perhaps maybe the first polygraph showed some deception or maybe was inconclusive, either way, it can't be used in a court of law. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: d in texas on June 19, 2010, 07:59:42 PM I am going to have my sister pull the picture, she is a professional at photo stuff, she does it for a living. Can someone please direct to the sight you are snipping it from.
Also I have been keeping up with the case but have had a web site building project that is a pain in my rear, anyhow my question/statement. At the very begging of Kyron missing I had the TV on probably HLN, was semi paying attention and they said the family did not/ would not do interviews or talk to the media. When I heard that I looked up and thought to myself something is really wrong here. Can anyone tell me a little more on that. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Samantha on June 19, 2010, 08:35:33 PM hi tracyG.... just reading about the photo... you know, I just took that photo and blew it up in photoshop and changed the contrast etc every which way possible. Of course I am no expert either, but I have fooled with photos for years, etc... and usually if you add the photo to something there are rough edges. You have to smudge or blur them together. When you do that sometimes the colors of one thing will smear over into the other thing. When I blow this photo up I can see where some of the green from the poster is smeared over into Kyron's hair. Just a little dab, but it is green in his hair. I also see a yellow line around the left side(kyron's right side) all the way around the t-shirt except in the area where it is up against the red part... no lighter area around there. I also see an out-of-place white line where his arm is suppose to be. there is a piece of the exibit there but there is also a white line that goes nowhere. I have done that many times when trying to blob something out of a photo. Now I can't be sure someone "doctored" this up, but I am going to try to find someone who knows more about this than I do... perhaps even someone on this forum is a photoshop expert. I'm not, I am just an "experienced" one. Now "if" someone did this, they did a very good job of it, very good. but that green inside the hair from the color of the poster, really bothers me. Is it possible it is normal? I don't know. but what I do know 100% is there is green running from the poster over into kyrons hair. (Edit-correct typo per doubledecker) Here is the post with the picture: http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8073.msg1161757#msg1161757 (http://image3.examiner.com/images/blog/replicate/EXID32312/images/resized_kyron_noglassesjpg_cc969e0971b99405_large.jpg) (http://dl.dropbox.com/u/670503/resized_kyron_noglasses_2.jpg) I'm not necessarily an expert.. but I am a graphic designer and I work with photos and photoshop for a living. I do have to say I don't think the photo is photoshopped. Colors in background do sometimes effect what is in the foreground (I have one specific stock photo of a woman I use frequently and she is blond and in front of a bright redish-orange background.. I often have to fix the colors in her hair because it looks odd once I cut her out. - http://www.photos.com/search/royaltyfree/87718861) Also, when viewing a picture blown up to that extent.. you are viewing the separate pixels that make up the photo and it is so blurred that what looks like a "straight defined" line between his hair or body and the background easily becomes multiple blurred pixels that encompass the colorings of both the foreground and background. Also, the lighting/angle of him and his project seems to match - in color/tint (whitish vs. sometimes yellow or reddish tint) and angle. Having looked at that picture.. I do think his arm is behind him.. I've seen children that age hold their arms like that often. and when they are wearing baggy tshirts the sleeves sometimes reach their elbows or passed them. I do think that bit of white underneath the sleeve is part of his arm. It is the same colors as his skin when I use the eyedropper on it, his arms look like twigs and this arm is probably crossed behind his back with the elbow underneath the sleeve, if you look at the other arm it looks like the sleeve is down to like the elbow or lower.) Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tracygirl on June 19, 2010, 09:00:14 PM Jess Thank you for your thought out response. I will tell you, I may not understand the law as well as you do my friend, but I understand human behavior as much if not more. This case is a high profile one which a child has been missing and the rumor mill is running on high steam. Sending out this flyer is pretty much sealing it in the publics mind she is guilty of this crime, although she is not charged at this time. I cannot agree this was appropriate to do in this case. If she is innocent, she will never again have a normal life and the person that took Kyron, (if not her) will have taken her as well. If she is guilty then arrest her and charge her. Surely LE must know if she was there or not by now. If not, then call the people in and ask them these questions, outside of the publics eye.
I was told by a friend of mine a company's lawyer sent out a similar flyer to her place of work, a place she was suing because of an injury. The lawyer sent it out asking if anyone had witnessed her accident or since the accident if they have seen her doing anything that she should or claimed couldn't do. As a business owner, I can appreciate that and I would advice my lawyer to do something similar if I didn't believe my employee was as injured as they stated. However, this case here is not a civil matter but a criminal one and a very high profile one at that. We will have to again agree to disagree, shake hands and move on. Nothing personal, glad you know that. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tracygirl on June 19, 2010, 09:02:56 PM Thank you Samantha for your opinion on the photo. So the shiney area under the left shirt sleve, you do believe that is his arm?
Can you please show me in the pic that they took his glasses out, what about that pic shows it was photoshopped? TIA Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 19, 2010, 09:06:14 PM That makes sense, Kyron's arm just has to be behind him, it sure looks like he is missing the arm, just the picture is deceiving. JessStar thanks for explaining about the questionnaire, would make sense it is used for an investigative tool, I just never seen one like this before in following cases. And I agree, there are many, many people that don't want to get involved, and it doesn't matter to them if it is a missing kid, missing teen, or missing adult, for whatever reason they want no part of it. I think for some people they don't want the police snooping around with their lives.
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 19, 2010, 09:09:07 PM I am going to have my sister pull the picture, she is a professional at photo stuff, she does it for a living. Can someone please direct to the sight you are snipping it from. Have to say that was strange, but maybe the police didn't want them to say anything. The family did finally say some statements though a little later.Also I have been keeping up with the case but have had a web site building project that is a pain in my rear, anyhow my question/statement. At the very begging of Kyron missing I had the TV on probably HLN, was semi paying attention and they said the family did not/ would not do interviews or talk to the media. When I heard that I looked up and thought to myself something is really wrong here. Can anyone tell me a little more on that. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: MuffyBee on June 19, 2010, 09:19:13 PM http://www.examiner.com/x-34328-Seattle-Headlines-Examiner~y2010m6d19-Seattle-Kyron-Hormans-uncle-arrested-in-child-molestation-2nd-polygraph-for-stepmom-Video
(Videos at above link) Seattle: Kyron Horman’s uncle arrested in child molestation; 2nd polygraph for stepmom (Video) June 19, 2010 (http://image3.examiner.com/images/blog/replicate/EXID34328/images/Kyron_Horman_uncle_Kristian_Scott_Horman_in_jail_for_child_molestation_KIRO_TV.jpg) Uncle of missing 7-yr old, Kyron Horman, in jail on child molestation charge June 19, 2010 - According to news reports, police are focusing on Kyron Horman’s step-mother, who is scheduled for a second polygraph test and who has recently been featured on a new flyer distributed to all parents and students attending Kyron’s elementary school; they are also focusing on Kyron's uncle who was arrested Wednesday on unrelated child molestation charges in Everett, Wash. Kyron is the 7-year-old boy who went missing from his Portland elementary school June 4. (snip) Uncle Kristian Scott Horman In an unrelated case, Multnomah County Sheriff’s Department Lieutenant Jason Gates, confirmed online reports that Kyron’s uncle was recently convicted in the Seattle area for child molestation. Kyron’s uncle, Kristian Scott Horman, began serving a six-month sentence after he was convicted Wednesday of third-degree child molestation in a 2008 case involving a female relative, officials told the newspaper. The Everett Herald reported Friday that Kristian is serving time in the Snohomish County jail. According to Willamette Weekly, authorities in Snohomish County, Wash., confirmed the victim in that case was a female relative. Lt. Gates said investigators are working with authorities in Seattle to determine where Kristian was on June 4, the day Kyron vanished from Skyline Elementary School in Portland, Oregon. Lt. Gates said detectives are “following up on that.” The South County Spotlight reported that Kyron’s uncle, Kristian Horman of Everett, Wash., is the brother of Kaine Horman, Kyron’s father. They further reported that Kristian was originally arrested in February 2009 for third-degree child molestation in the October 2008 case of his 15-year-old stepdaughter. He was released on parole and not in custody until being convicted and booked into jail June 16. He was sentenced to 180 days in jail. Third-degree child molestation is a Class C felony. Snohomish County Sheriff’s Office spokesman, Rebecca Hover, said she’s “not aware of any law-enforcement agency that’s called our agency about Kyron or Kristian Horman.” She has, however, been swamped with calls from national media and said she has checked with her county’s major crimes and special investigations unit, and they had not been familiar with any connection to the Kyron Horman case. According to Kristian’s booking documents he had no prior record of criminal charges other than failing to renew his vehicle registration. The molestation incident occurred when “they were all in the same house, in the same bed,” said Hal Hupp, the prosecutor in the case. “He almost immediately admitted he’d done what he’d done.” Hover said Kristian has refused to talk to media and is referring all calls to his Seattle attorney, Donna Johnston. Reporters and the public are looking for any connection between Kyron’s disappearance and the arrest of his uncle in the child molestation case, even though they appear unrelated. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: MuffyBee on June 19, 2010, 09:22:06 PM http://www.examiner.com/examiner/x-34328-Seattle-Headlines-Examiner~y2010m6d19-Spotlight-on-stepmother-and-uncle-in-case-of-missing-7yearold-Kyron-Horman-intensifies-Video
Spotlight on stepmother and uncle in case of missing 7-year-old Kyron Horman intensifies (Video) June 19, 2010 June 19, 2010 - According to news reports, police are focusing on Kyron Horman’s step-mother, who is scheduled for a second polygraph test and who has recently been featured on a new questionnaire and flyer distributed to all parents and students attending Kyron’s elementary school; they are also focusing on Kyron's uncle who was arrested Wednesday on unrelated child molestation charges in Seattle, Wash. Kyron is the 7-year-old boy who went missing from his elementary school in Portland June 4. (snip) Step-mother Terri Moulton Horman Online websleuthers continue to point fingers at Kyron’s step-mother, Terri Moulton Horman, alluding that she may have had something to do with the 7-year-old’s disappearance from Skyline Elementary over two weeks ago. They said they don’t understand how a mother, one who has raised this child since he was an infant, could say on her Facebook page several days after he went missing, “I’m hitting the gym.” Second Polygraph test A friend of Terri Horman from Hillsboro, Jaymie Finster, told the Oregonian Saturday morning that Kyron’s stepmother is facing a second polygraph exam, and that Terri is “tired and frustrated with the intensity of the questioning she’s been getting.” The Oregonian article stated "Kyron Horman's stepmother -- who became the most prominent figure in the investigation into the boy's disappearance Friday -- is scheduled to take a second polygraph test Saturday, according to a friend." Finster confirmed the Oregonian’s account that she and Horman have been friends since they went to junior high school together in Roseburg and that they worked in the Hillsboro school district. Finster told the Oregonian that Horman was very down. "She's exhausted. She said 'I don't understand why they keep asking me stuff. They want me to take the polygraph again. It doesn't make sense because I didn't do anything'." Horman told Finster, "I just don't know what's going on. This is what I did that day." According to the Oregonian, Finster said Horman had told Kyron's teacher the day before that she was taking the boy to the doctor on Friday, June 11, and gave the teacher paperwork to fill out related to the appointment. Finster said that when Kyron didn't show up at the bus the afternoon of June 4, Horman talked to the teacher who said she thought that Horman had taken Kyron to the doctor that day. Horman told Finster that the child's teacher was new, in her first year of teaching, and was hard of hearing in one ear. "She doesn't know if she understood her," Finster said. The new information provided by Finster comes the day after a new questionnaire and flyer was distributed to everyone at Skyline Elementary School asking if they saw Terri that day and if they saw the family’s white Ford pickup the day Kyron vanished. Online websleuthers A comment left to an earlier Examiner.com article read: “Stepmother's story and actions on the day Kyron disappeared do not ring true for me.” Comments to a Fox News article read: “Sad to say but I suspected her from the git go. Time to press her hard I'd say.” And someone from New Mexico said: “Oh yeah, the first thing I do when my son disappears is go on my Facebook page. This woman won't be able to do anything 'right' in some public's eye. If she raised him from a baby, she must love him as her own son. I will delay my judgment of her until actual evidence proves her guilty. Otherwise, I will presume that she is innocent and devastated.” The websleuthers based their initial conclusion Terri was involved in Kyron’s disappearance when they saw what she wrote on Facebook. They commented that her Facebook page showed a photo of her young daughter and that prior to Kyron’s disappearance, she didn’t talk about Kyron and that it was all about her little girl. They didn’t believe she was appropriately distraught, according to the Daily Weekly, and that she was behind Kyron’s disappearance. A blog called Mom Logic pointed out that since her stepson’s disappearance Terri’s posted “trivial updates” about “hitting the gym” just days after Kyron vanished. They questioned why she didn’t change her Facebook profile photo from her young daughter’s photo to a photo of Kyron. Six days later Terri changed her photo to missing person’s flyer with Kyron’s photo. She at some point changed her settings from “public” to “private.” People can no longer see what she is writing on her “wall.” This should be a reminder that what you put online on Facebook, MySpace, Twitter, blogs, etc., can be viewed by the world unless you set your settings to private. This is not the first time, and undoubtedly won’t be the last, when private information spreads like wildfire in high-profile cases. Police are focusing their fact-finding on Terri and the truck she drove saying they are trying to jog people’s memories of what happened on June 4 when Kyron went missing. Regardless of what anyone thinks, police are moving forward with a questionnaire listing questions about Terri Horman and the truck she drove the day Kyron went missing. Lt. Gates repeatedly told the Oregonian he could not comment on suspects or persons of interest in the case. In response to a question about the possible danger to the community, he said: "I can't say for certainty that it wasn't stranger-to-stranger, I can't. But I also can tell you that the need for the public to be alarmed is very low." Cell phone “pings” inconsistent with Terri’s story On Friday, Willamette Week reported five unnamed law enforcement officials said Terri Horman’s cell phone “pings” showed she was on Sauvie Island the day Kyron disappeared. This differs from her account of where she was that day. The South County Spotlight reported that Lt. Gates said that a sheriff’s captain was no longer living around the clock with the family, but does have regular contact with them. Kyron’s biological mother and stepfather are still in Portland as the investigation continues, he said. Questionnaire A questionnaire and flyer has been passed out to everyone who may have been at Skyline Elementary School on June 4, the day 7-year old Kyron Horman went missing. Most questions focus on the whereabouts of Kyron’s stepmother, Terri Moulton Horman, and the white pickup she was driving that day. Click here for more details about the questionnaire and flyer. Family grieves loss of Kyron CNN reported that during a brief phone interview with sheriff spokeswoman, Lt. Mary Lindstrand, they were told the focus of the investigation is not on Terri Horman. "We're looking for every bit of information that we can," Lindstrand said. "We are not in a position to name anybody a person of interest." The case, CNN reported, is now considered a criminal investigation involving one of the largest police search and rescue operations in state history. Kyron's family released a statement Friday urging the public to help bring him home. "It has been two weeks since our son, Kyron, disappeared," the family said. "For the last 14 days, we haven't been able to talk to him, see him playing around the house, or tuck him in bed. Any parent would understand the grief this has caused our family. "Father's Day is Sunday. For the first time in seven years, we will not have Kyron around to hug and talk to. It hurts us deeply and our hearts are broken," the statement reads. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: JessStar on June 19, 2010, 09:47:28 PM Tracygirl, I will hold true to my word, bite my tongue, and move on. Peace. :-)
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 19, 2010, 10:34:08 PM John Walsh on Missing Kyron Horman's Case: "My Gut Feeling is that They Have a Person of Interest"
On Friday, John Walsh, host of Fox Television's "America's Most Wanted," told KPTV in Portland that the length of elapsed time and the lack of information on the case made matters look bleak for missing 7-year-old Kyron Horman. He said it was looking less likely that Kyron Horman would be found alive, but he still held out hope that the child would indeed be found, pointing out the well known abduction cases of Jaycee Lee Dugard and Elizabeth Smart. "It's been way too long and there's been no information that the police have been releasing about Kyron," Walsh said, "so as the time goes on the odds get less that they're going to find him alive, but we never give up hope." Walsh told Fox 12 News, "My gut feeling is that they have a person of interest and they're trying to make sure that they don't make any mistakes that would compromise this case, and we all have to hold out hope that this person is keeping Kyron alive." John Walsh's gut feeling might be correct. Multnomah County Sheriff's Office passed out fliers Friday that contained the pictures of Terri Moulton Horman, Kyron's stepmother, and the truck they believe she may have been driving on June 4. A questionnaire on each flier asked, among several questions, if anyone had seen the woman (Terri Moulton Horman) or the white F250 truck on the day Kyron Horman disappeared. Many believe that the questions showed a focus on the stepmother. Multnomah County authorities were quick to say that it was necessary to include Terri Moulton Horman in the questions because she was, as far as authorities knew, the last person to Kyron Horman before he disappeared. Kyron Horman vanished from his school in Portland at around 9 a.m. after his stepmother had taken him to school early to see the projects in a science fair. She told police she last saw the 7-year-old when she left him walking toward his classroom at 8:45 a.m. Kyron's teacher marked him absent when he wasn't in the classroom at 9:00 a.m. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tracygirl on June 19, 2010, 10:46:15 PM Tracygirl, I will hold true to my word, bite my tongue, and move on. Peace. :-) Jess please feel free to email me if you wish to continue our conversation. I know it is difficult for you to speak in a public forum and I want you to feel as though you can speak your mine to me. If you don't have the email anymore, please ask Klaas for it. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tracygirl on June 19, 2010, 11:02:11 PM http://www.examiner.com/x-34328-Seattle-Headlines-Examiner~y2010m6d19-Seattle-Kyron-Hormans-uncle-arrested-in-child-molestation-2nd-polygraph-for-stepmom-Video (Videos at above link) Seattle: Kyron Horman’s uncle arrested in child molestation; 2nd polygraph for stepmom (Video) June 19, 2010 (http://image3.examiner.com/images/blog/replicate/EXID34328/images/Kyron_Horman_uncle_Kristian_Scott_Horman_in_jail_for_child_molestation_KIRO_TV.jpg) Uncle of missing 7-yr old, Kyron Horman, in jail on child molestation charge June 19, 2010 - According to news reports, police are focusing on Kyron Horman’s step-mother, who is scheduled for a second polygraph test and who has recently been featured on a new flyer distributed to all parents and students attending Kyron’s elementary school; they are also focusing on Kyron's uncle who was arrested Wednesday on unrelated child molestation charges in Everett, Wash. Kyron is the 7-year-old boy who went missing from his Portland elementary school June 4. (snip) Uncle Kristian Scott Horman In an unrelated case, Multnomah County Sheriff’s Department Lieutenant Jason Gates, confirmed online reports that Kyron’s uncle was recently convicted in the Seattle area for child molestation. Kyron’s uncle, Kristian Scott Horman, began serving a six-month sentence after he was convicted Wednesday of third-degree child molestation in a 2008 case involving a female relative, officials told the newspaper. The Everett Herald reported Friday that Kristian is serving time in the Snohomish County jail. According to Willamette Weekly, authorities in Snohomish County, Wash., confirmed the victim in that case was a female relative. Lt. Gates said investigators are working with authorities in Seattle to determine where Kristian was on June 4, the day Kyron vanished from Skyline Elementary School in Portland, Oregon. Lt. Gates said detectives are “following up on that.” The South County Spotlight reported that Kyron’s uncle, Kristian Horman of Everett, Wash., is the brother of Kaine Horman, Kyron’s father. They further reported that Kristian was originally arrested in February 2009 for third-degree child molestation in the October 2008 case of his 15-year-old stepdaughter. He was released on parole and not in custody until being convicted and booked into jail June 16. He was sentenced to 180 days in jail. Third-degree child molestation is a Class C felony. Snohomish County Sheriff’s Office spokesman, Rebecca Hover, said she’s “not aware of any law-enforcement agency that’s called our agency about Kyron or Kristian Horman.” She has, however, been swamped with calls from national media and said she has checked with her county’s major crimes and special investigations unit, and they had not been familiar with any connection to the Kyron Horman case. According to Kristian’s booking documents he had no prior record of criminal charges other than failing to renew his vehicle registration. The molestation incident occurred when “they were all in the same house, in the same bed,” said Hal Hupp, the prosecutor in the case. “He almost immediately admitted he’d done what he’d done.” Hover said Kristian has refused to talk to media and is referring all calls to his Seattle attorney, Donna Johnston. Reporters and the public are looking for any connection between Kyron’s disappearance and the arrest of his uncle in the child molestation case, even though they appear unrelated. What a sick crime. He should get longer then 3 months. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: mymonkey on June 19, 2010, 11:31:32 PM http://www.examiner.com/x-34328-Seattle-Headlines-Examiner~y2010m6d19-Seattle-Kyron-Hormans-uncle-arrested-in-child-molestation-2nd-polygraph-for-stepmom-Video (Videos at above link) Seattle: Kyron Horman’s uncle arrested in child molestation; 2nd polygraph for stepmom (Video) June 19, 2010 (http://image3.examiner.com/images/blog/replicate/EXID34328/images/Kyron_Horman_uncle_Kristian_Scott_Horman_in_jail_for_child_molestation_KIRO_TV.jpg) Uncle of missing 7-yr old, Kyron Horman, in jail on child molestation charge June 19, 2010 - According to news reports, police are focusing on Kyron Horman’s step-mother, who is scheduled for a second polygraph test and who has recently been featured on a new flyer distributed to all parents and students attending Kyron’s elementary school; they are also focusing on Kyron's uncle who was arrested Wednesday on unrelated child molestation charges in Everett, Wash. Kyron is the 7-year-old boy who went missing from his Portland elementary school June 4. (snip) Uncle Kristian Scott Horman In an unrelated case, Multnomah County Sheriff’s Department Lieutenant Jason Gates, confirmed online reports that Kyron’s uncle was recently convicted in the Seattle area for child molestation. Kyron’s uncle, Kristian Scott Horman, began serving a six-month sentence after he was convicted Wednesday of third-degree child molestation in a 2008 case involving a female relative, officials told the newspaper. The Everett Herald reported Friday that Kristian is serving time in the Snohomish County jail. According to Willamette Weekly, authorities in Snohomish County, Wash., confirmed the victim in that case was a female relative. Lt. Gates said investigators are working with authorities in Seattle to determine where Kristian was on June 4, the day Kyron vanished from Skyline Elementary School in Portland, Oregon. Lt. Gates said detectives are “following up on that.” The South County Spotlight reported that Kyron’s uncle, Kristian Horman of Everett, Wash., is the brother of Kaine Horman, Kyron’s father. They further reported that Kristian was originally arrested in February 2009 for third-degree child molestation in the October 2008 case of his 15-year-old stepdaughter. He was released on parole and not in custody until being convicted and booked into jail June 16. He was sentenced to 180 days in jail. Third-degree child molestation is a Class C felony. Snohomish County Sheriff’s Office spokesman, Rebecca Hover, said she’s “not aware of any law-enforcement agency that’s called our agency about Kyron or Kristian Horman.” She has, however, been swamped with calls from national media and said she has checked with her county’s major crimes and special investigations unit, and they had not been familiar with any connection to the Kyron Horman case. According to Kristian’s booking documents he had no prior record of criminal charges other than failing to renew his vehicle registration. The molestation incident occurred when “they were all in the same house, in the same bed,” said Hal Hupp, the prosecutor in the case. “He almost immediately admitted he’d done what he’d done.” Hover said Kristian has refused to talk to media and is referring all calls to his Seattle attorney, Donna Johnston. Reporters and the public are looking for any connection between Kyron’s disappearance and the arrest of his uncle in the child molestation case, even though they appear unrelated. What a sick crime. He should get longer then 3 months. His pic reminds me of the monster that killed Somer Thompson. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: seahorse on June 20, 2010, 06:48:36 AM Kyron Horman case update: Questionnaire on Terri Horman due back at MCSO on Sunday
http://primewriter.com/news-1246-headlines/?p=7558 God Bless the Sherriff and all who thought of the clever flyer. I keep thinking of little Sabrina, Robert Manwill and all the little children who vanished. I just wonder if a Flyer would have been helpful in their cases. I know Robert Manwill's culprits were caught, but they almost got away with snuffing out a life of little child. Good for the Sherriff for his tenecity and original thinking, surely the school teachers must have helped. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: suzyinpgh on June 20, 2010, 07:17:55 AM Just curious, how many other mothers took a picture of their child in front of their exhibit. The picture seems like part of the plan to me. jmo
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: suzyinpgh on June 20, 2010, 07:29:59 AM Just another random thought - It was supposed to be so busy around that time, however there isn't anyone in the backround of the picture.
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: sunshine12 on June 20, 2010, 08:41:08 AM Just another random thought - It was supposed to be so busy around that time, however there isn't anyone in the backround of the picture. yea that is true, good observation! i also agree that if it turns out that the step mother was involved in this, taking the picture was all part of her plan. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: newfie on June 20, 2010, 08:42:47 AM Just another random thought - It was supposed to be so busy around that time, however there isn't anyone in the backround of the picture. There is a little girl and a man in the background if you look towards the front of the classroom. I wonder if these two people have been identified. This case is baffling as well as most of these are. I do think LE knows more than they are revealing and they are getting all of their ducks in a row before an arrest is made. I still hope all of these facts pointing to the step mom Terri are wrong. I just cannot grasp her doing this. She has a beautiful family, a supportive and loving husband, and a nice home that appeared organized and family oriented from the pictures. I guess looks can be deceiving. I just don't understand if she did this the why of it. Was it that she missed her weight lifting days and her family was tying her down? She chose to raise Kyron and help out when he was an infant. I don't get it... Oh well... I guess some things are not for us to understand. I am still hoping it was a stranger that took this wonderful little boy and maybe he is still alive. Hope is all we have in this case. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: seahorse on June 20, 2010, 09:15:27 AM Hi Monkeys,
Just repeating this information. $25,000 reward is being offered “in return for specific information that leads authorities to Kyron.” http://law.rightpundits.com/?p=1800 The tip line (503-261-2847) Those questionnaires were to be returned to Skyline School on Sunday, June 20, between 9 a.m. and 7 p.m. A uniformed police officer was assigned to pick them up in the school's parking lot. The Sheriff's Office provides online copies of that questionnaire and flier. Responses can also be emailed to skyline.flyer@mcso.us http://www.koinlocal6.com/mostpopular/story/Investigative-flier-Did-you-see-Terri-Horman-at/Dz4uMChK60KCWjy3W5FG4Q.cspx http://www.flashalertnewswire.net/images/news/2010-06/1276/36184/061410.SchoolQuestionnaireadobe.hm.pdf Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: suzyinpgh on June 20, 2010, 10:03:58 AM Just another random thought - It was supposed to be so busy around that time, however there isn't anyone in the backround of the picture. There is a little girl and a man in the background if you look towards the front of the classroom. I wonder if these two people have been identified. This case is baffling as well as most of these are. I do think LE knows more than they are revealing and they are getting all of their ducks in a row before an arrest is made. I still hope all of these facts pointing to the step mom Terri are wrong. I just cannot grasp her doing this. She has a beautiful family, a supportive and loving husband, and a nice home that appeared organized and family oriented from the pictures. I guess looks can be deceiving. I just don't understand if she did this the why of it. Was it that she missed her weight lifting days and her family was tying her down? She chose to raise Kyron and help out when he was an infant. I don't get it... Oh well... I guess some things are not for us to understand. I am still hoping it was a stranger that took this wonderful little boy and maybe he is still alive. Hope is all we have in this case. Newfie, I'm sorry, I dont see them. My eyes aren't that good though. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 20, 2010, 10:35:20 AM Just another random thought - It was supposed to be so busy around that time, however there isn't anyone in the backround of the picture. yea that is true, good observation! i also agree that if it turns out that the step mother was involved in this, taking the picture was all part of her plan. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 20, 2010, 10:37:56 AM Hi Monkeys, Thank-you. I know JessStar says this is not that unusual for this type of investigative tool, so I hope there is more info given to the police. Sometimes people see things, and don't think much of it at the time, and then they realize that it may be important.Just repeating this information. $25,000 reward is being offered “in return for specific information that leads authorities to Kyron.” http://law.rightpundits.com/?p=1800 The tip line (503-261-2847) Those questionnaires were to be returned to Skyline School on Sunday, June 20, between 9 a.m. and 7 p.m. A uniformed police officer was assigned to pick them up in the school's parking lot. The Sheriff's Office provides online copies of that questionnaire and flier. Responses can also be emailed to skyline.flyer@mcso.us http://www.koinlocal6.com/mostpopular/story/Investigative-flier-Did-you-see-Terri-Horman-at/Dz4uMChK60KCWjy3W5FG4Q.cspx http://www.flashalertnewswire.net/images/news/2010-06/1276/36184/061410.SchoolQuestionnaireadobe.hm.pdf Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 20, 2010, 10:39:21 AM Just curious, how many other mothers took a picture of their child in front of their exhibit. The picture seems like part of the plan to me. jmo We sure are thinking along the same lines, your questions are what I've been wondering. My kids are grown, but whenever there was activities at the school such as this, it was crowded, and kids were running around.Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: seahorse on June 20, 2010, 12:35:16 PM Hi Monkeys, Thank-you. I know JessStar says this is not that unusual for this type of investigative tool, so I hope there is more info given to the police. Sometimes people see things, and don't think much of it at the time, and then they realize that it may be important.Just repeating this information. $25,000 reward is being offered “in return for specific information that leads authorities to Kyron.” http://law.rightpundits.com/?p=1800 The tip line (503-261-2847) Those questionnaires were to be returned to Skyline School on Sunday, June 20, between 9 a.m. and 7 p.m. A uniformed police officer was assigned to pick them up in the school's parking lot. The Sheriff's Office provides online copies of that questionnaire and flier. Responses can also be emailed to skyline.flyer@mcso.us http://www.koinlocal6.com/mostpopular/story/Investigative-flier-Did-you-see-Terri-Horman-at/Dz4uMChK60KCWjy3W5FG4Q.cspx http://www.flashalertnewswire.net/images/news/2010-06/1276/36184/061410.SchoolQuestionnaireadobe.hm.pdf Yes, I read JessStar comments. I hope someone remembers the Truck, little boys LOVE Trucks..hoping one of the students remembers seeing the truck or someone in it. I only wish the Putnam Sherriff had the insight to post flyers of Misty and Haleigh. NoRose... Kyron dropped his backback off at the classroom? Do you know if he picked up his backpack from the classroom? Who steal's a child and tells him go back and get your backpack? Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Wyks on June 20, 2010, 12:55:04 PM Bringing over some info that the different astrologers at WS are seeing in the charts they are studying in Kyron's case. Interesting to me is that the astrologers doing these charts seperately, are getting much of the same info, some indicators show several times in same charts, which emphasizes that. I pulled out the descriptions they gave (which are easy for those of who aren't familiar with their charts) for better understanding. Link incl below the info, don't have to be a member at WS to read this interesting thread. Here's a breakdown of just the info. See link for rest.
'''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''' this case astrologically appears to be a sex-motivated kidnapping and murder. Very sadly ''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''' I think the boy was told what to do and where to go, intercepted by someone who gave the appearance of authority. a woman (or is the abductor seeing a love interest here ?) in the hidden house all points to this terrible abduction of a small child and his fate suggesting some sort of harm to the body All in all, it doesn't look at all good for the missing child. I see imprisonment, as potentially, him being a love interest to the perp. '''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''' It appears the child was abducted, by a woman (and possibly two people), likely for sexual purposes. a very ugly, violent and potentially sexually perverted picture. 'recreational sex' / circumstances beyond one's control possible sexual crime with a woman perp. lawbreaking at its finest, out of control person takes whatever s/he wants, feels entitled to pleasuring/satisfying him/herself. 'strange attraction factor', another indicator of a sexually motivated abduction a younger person, possibly related to the school in some way or even a friend or friend of a friend, and also possibly a sibling. either sex but am leaning towards female, perhaps two people. It does appear the child is no longer with us.... Sadly '''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''' Chart indicators suggest a young perp, possibly female, possibly more than one perp. abduction is prominent and I sense Kyron was lured away (deceived) for sexual purposes. the perp may have been an older sibling of one of the students, someone who wouldn't necessarily be noticed as "too old to be a student" or look out of place, and this would not be refuted by the charts. I think the perp is extremely psychologically twisted and possibly obsessed with sex and death compulsions. I am not a licensed psychologist, so you can take that last sentence with a grain of salt --- but the astrology supports my opinion. '''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''' One truth is evident, Kyron felt deeply betrayed. a child can feel betrayal when expected protection is NOT there and it was not. So he may have felt betrayed by his guiding lights at school &/or by his step mother in their failure to provide his safety net rather than by an action taken '''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''' a woman is involved somehow here the physical well being of the child is going for a Fall Fooling and lying to the child dupliticious, two faces, one face to the public another in private goes toward and embraces this duplicity and utilizes it for it’s deeds probably no longer alive bi-sexual urges swinging? (exchange of partners) '''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''' Someone told Kyron a big whopper to get him to leave school. '''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''' this person is average in height, amply upholstered, set firmly, plenty of pigment to the complexion, hair rather darker than light. Indolent and luxuriating in habit, even shiftless, idle, taking his or her ease. Large appetite for pleasure. if your skin is high in pigment, it could be freckles or it could be just ample melanin covering the entire complexion. ''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''' For those curious about the stepbrother, I have examined his chart and compared to Kyron's and the Event charts. I highly doubt he had any involvement. '''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''' false friend a woman female/sex/unusual things woman secrets he probably died 3-4 hours after he was abducted. A lot of deception, but not by him. He knows her or he knows of her, seen her before. Young girl, maybe 16 - 26 He would do what she asked, kind of sees her as an authority figure of some sort, or someone you'd pay attention to. She's a bully? She hangs with someone who is a bully, sibling of someone who is a bully. I don't know. female/male perpetrator(s) are women, a man may also be involved He has known her, or known of her for about 6 months her status is higher than Kyron's. In this context, no, she is not wealthier than Kyron, but she is older than Kryon, she may be the older sister of one of his classmates he would recognize her as a quasi-authority because of her age, being in higher grade, and someone's older sister. Manner of death was probably strangulation/asphyxiation. ( I get the feeling this girl is sexually abused by stepfather/live-in boyfriend of mother, or sexually active with boys her age or slightly older, and she lured Kyron away so they could kill him.) Repercussions. He was supposed to do something and didn't. It looks like more of a crime of opportunity - spur of the moment thing. '''''''''''''''''''''''''''''' http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=106417 (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=106417) Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Wyks on June 20, 2010, 01:13:48 PM Artwork by Kyron
(http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq117/Wyks_/Kyron/Kyron_Squirl_KGWnews.jpg) (http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq117/Wyks_/Kyron/Kyron_Sun_KGWnews.jpg) http://www.kgw.com/news/slideshows/Photos-Missing-boy-Kyron-Horman-95777234.html?gallery=y&c=y&img=0 (http://www.kgw.com/news/slideshows/Photos-Missing-boy-Kyron-Horman-95777234.html?gallery=y&c=y&img=0) *Note: Think there is any significance in either of these pics by Kyron? Just curious what y'all think. Any child-art-experts out there? :) Looks like Kyron has a great deal of talent far beyond his years! IMO. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Wyks on June 20, 2010, 01:16:29 PM This is someone's avatar over at WS. Heartbreakingly bittersweet. IMO
(http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq117/Wyks_/Kyron/WS_KyronAvatar.jpg) Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Patricia Mocha Latte on June 20, 2010, 01:28:57 PM Even after reading the sh*t storm of media speculation regarding the SM and Uncle I still sense that there is more to this story than what we are being told.
I believe that it is highly possible that there were some type of incident that led up to Kyron being taken from the school. It could have been something as simple as possibly the SM had cut someone off in traffic or ? The neighbor had stated that he had seen a truck similar to the SM at odd times. The same friendly neighbor seems very involved in the case? I do not want to believe that this Child is passed on. I believe that it is highly possible that he is being kept alive in someones home somewhere. Even if LE goes to peoples homes if they are refused permission to search then how do we know that Kyron is not being restrained inside or? We don't. I want to know if search dogs are being taken to the homes when the home/property searches are being conducted, including when the officers are out seeking permission to search. I would also want to know if any of the neighbors have second homes somewhere. Vacation homes or other. jmvho Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 20, 2010, 01:52:29 PM Hi Monkeys, Thank-you. I know JessStar says this is not that unusual for this type of investigative tool, so I hope there is more info given to the police. Sometimes people see things, and don't think much of it at the time, and then they realize that it may be important.Just repeating this information. $25,000 reward is being offered “in return for specific information that leads authorities to Kyron.” http://law.rightpundits.com/?p=1800 The tip line (503-261-2847) Those questionnaires were to be returned to Skyline School on Sunday, June 20, between 9 a.m. and 7 p.m. A uniformed police officer was assigned to pick them up in the school's parking lot. The Sheriff's Office provides online copies of that questionnaire and flier. Responses can also be emailed to skyline.flyer@mcso.us http://www.koinlocal6.com/mostpopular/story/Investigative-flier-Did-you-see-Terri-Horman-at/Dz4uMChK60KCWjy3W5FG4Q.cspx http://www.flashalertnewswire.net/images/news/2010-06/1276/36184/061410.SchoolQuestionnaireadobe.hm.pdf Yes, I read JessStar comments. I hope someone remembers the Truck, little boys LOVE Trucks..hoping one of the students remembers seeing the truck or someone in it. I only wish the Putnam Sherriff had the insight to post flyers of Misty and Haleigh. NoRose... Kyron dropped his backback off at the classroom? Do you know if he picked up his backpack from the classroom? Who steal's a child and tells him go back and get your backpack? Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Wyks on June 20, 2010, 02:26:14 PM Thanks Rosie. :) And yes, backpack and coat were left in the classroom.
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tracygirl on June 20, 2010, 03:22:25 PM Wykes the astrology predictions are very disturbing. I wonder in this circle of people if there are any young girls, ages 16 to 26 who has a life as explained?
How close have they come in other cases? I don't follow the astrologists on WS. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: New Monkey on June 20, 2010, 03:37:56 PM Do we have any artwork Kyron drew of himself? Or of other children? I'm not sure what to make of that artwork, other than to say he was a talented little boy.
The astrology stuff is pretty freaky. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: seahorse on June 20, 2010, 03:39:35 PM http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/
Jayme Finster, friend of the missing Oregon boy's stepmother, talks to "GMA." (5:28) The friend said "Terri said the internet stuff is very damaging". She doesn't know if TH took the 2nd poly or not. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 20, 2010, 03:59:50 PM Thanks Rosie. :) And yes, backpack and coat were left in the classroom. Thank-you HUGSTitle: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: seahorse on June 20, 2010, 04:04:53 PM Thanks Rosie. :) And yes, backpack and coat were left in the classroom. Thank-you HUGSRosie, Thank-you (cyber Hug's from me too) Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: seahorse on June 20, 2010, 04:10:23 PM Rumer
I read on a Oregon blog that "SM owns property" on the Island being searched. The blogger did not gives any details. I discounted the comment or I would have saved it. Can we look up property in her name? Do we need the precise property location as we usually do? Thank-you:) I try not to bite on everything but I am curious. (This is a rumor until it is proven true) Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 20, 2010, 04:12:11 PM Rumer Wow, now that is interesting if true, thanks. Off to the store, hope there is some news when I get back.I read on a Oregon blog that "SM owns property" on the Island being searched. The blogger did not gives any details. I discounted the comment or I would have saved it. Can we look up property in her name? Do we need the precise property location as we usually do? Thank-you:) I try not to bite on everything but I am curious. (This is a rumor until it is proven true) Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Wyks on June 20, 2010, 04:32:26 PM Wykes the astrology predictions are very disturbing. I wonder in this circle of people if there are any young girls, ages 16 to 26 who has a life as explained? How close have they come in other cases? I don't follow the astrologists on WS. Fairly spot on, IMO, TG. I don't follow them word for word, case by case, so cannot give statistics and such. I just know that there are two of the astrologers over there that when they share, I do sit up and pay close attention. That's how right they've been. Much of what is written above is from these two astrologers. Scary and sad. In one recent case, they used one of their astrology charts that had a find indicator on it.. put it over a map and pinpointed the approx area where a body would be found. When LE searched that area, voila, there the body was. They've done the same with charts/maps in Kyron's case, and LE now seems to be searching in that general area. Interestingly, they can do a chart on say, a press conference (as an event), where LE hasn't released a great deal of new info... yet in doing the event chart with the date/time of the conference, have turned up info which wasn't reported, but later turned out to be the direction LE was headed, but couldn't/wouldn't say at the time. Sometimes the astrologers find info in their charts to be a bit too telling, and cannot make those charts public until later, (for example.. after LE declares a POI). In Kyron's case, one of the astrologers knew from her work on June 12th that an arrest would be made. Didn't say who or when, or if/how it would relate. On June 16th, Uncle Kristian was arrested. No one in the general public had any info of that beforehand. The way that forensic astrology can be spot on at times, is freaky weird, yet true. IMO. Guess one either believes or doesn't. I didn't believe before. I was skeptical. Until I started reading and waiting to see what would happen with a case. Too close for me to be a skeptic now. But each to his/her own, I say. This is just another avenue. IMO. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Wyks on June 20, 2010, 04:49:40 PM IMO.. It's easy to blame people 'on the internet' for things being damaging. Kind of saves those who truly are being damaging the need to take/share that blame.
If one doesn't want their life to be inspected closely under microscope, then IMO, don't put those details out on the net in the first place. In the second, live one's life in such a way as to not draw attention to oneself. Media isn't innocent, not by a long shot, especially in this case. One local news outlet ran with what they read posted on a message board, (NOT here!!), without confirming any of it. Ran a headline that said he had been found and an arrest had been made. Left that headline up for an hour or so, then pulled it. Then made a brief explanation of sorts, NO APOLOGY, that there had been an 'internal miscommunication'. Then turns around and blames bloggers etc for spreading rumors. Now I ask... how damaging to the family could that headline, explanation of sorts, and non-apology (because they shifted the blame) have been? Then there is LE themselves, who are not innocent. They have repeatedly given conflicting info, conflicting statements, no information.. all within the same presser! They've told us that 'this is an isolated' incident, public has no need for alarm.. while at the same time, also saying that no they couldn't say this wasn't done by a stranger. ???? They sit back and watch the public discuss, trying to figure it all out.. Then say that bloggers and such shouldn't spread misinformation and rumors. While they are doing it themselves. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: seahorse on June 20, 2010, 04:56:11 PM Rumer Wow, now that is interesting if true, thanks. Off to the store, hope there is some news when I get back.I read on a Oregon blog that "SM owns property" on the Island being searched. The blogger did not gives any details. I discounted the comment or I would have saved it. Can we look up property in her name? Do we need the precise property location as we usually do? Thank-you:) I try not to bite on everything but I am curious. (This is a rumor until it is proven true) These are the only internet addresses I have found for her. This doesn't mean she didn't acquire property through marriages:) Albany, OR Beaverton, OR Eugene, OR Portland, OR Roseburg, OR Springfield, OR http://www.veromi.com (I am trying to be discreet since SM is more interested in the internet that SS missing) Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: seahorse on June 20, 2010, 05:03:27 PM Do we have any artwork Kyron drew of himself? Or of other children? I'm not sure what to make of that artwork, other than to say he was a talented little boy. The astrology stuff is pretty freaky. I agree he is talented and seemed comfortable and experienced painter or colorer? He art is beautiful, vivid colors and inspiring. I would like a print for my walls of Kyron's work. I should try to enlarge his drawing's. I really love his crisp, vibrant tones and his happy imagination. Kyron seemed to be a happy soul. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: seahorse on June 20, 2010, 05:16:02 PM There are deep questions are being raised was KH was ever in school that day? Was the Science Fair (exhibits)
set-up (in the Gym) the day before? Could that be when SM took a photo of the child? ' His coat and backpack are rumored to have been at the school, if that is the case, the student's and Teacher would have known he was on the premises without his coat. The link and the blogger comment, not mine, I'm still thinking. http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/kyron-horman-stepmother-polygraph/story?id=10964865 Nobody took him. He never made it to school. I said this in the beginning and I still state my opinion. He probably didn't get dressed fast enough, or acted hyper, or didn't do something just right. God only knows how long the poor kid was abused before this person snapped. I know, innocent until proven guilty, but you all wait and see. It smelled from day one. refuge51 4:13 PM http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/kyron-horman-stepmother-polygraph/story?id=10964865 Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: seahorse on June 20, 2010, 05:48:43 PM http://registry.adoption.com/records/34580.html
Good grief...is this SM? "There may be more than one person with her last name" Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: seahorse on June 20, 2010, 05:55:49 PM http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/kyron_hormans_blended_family_f.html
The Birth Dates match. Is the Adoption record valid? Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: seahorse on June 20, 2010, 06:24:18 PM Rumer Wow, now that is interesting if true, thanks. Off to the store, hope there is some news when I get back.I read on a Oregon blog that "SM owns property" on the Island being searched. The blogger did not gives any details. I discounted the comment or I would have saved it. Can we look up property in her name? Do we need the precise property location as we usually do? Thank-you:) I try not to bite on everything but I am curious. (This is a rumor until it is proven true) These are the only internet addresses I have found for her. This doesn't mean she didn't acquire property through marriages:) Albany, OR Beaverton, OR Eugene, OR Portland, OR Roseburg, OR Springfield, OR http://www.veromi.com (I am trying to be discreet since SM is more interested in the internet that SS missing) Beaverton, OR Blaine, WA Roseburg, OR A few more locations under "Ecker" (SM Lynn Ecker) I erased the relatives (they match up) locations are ifty on Intelius. http://intelius.com Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 20, 2010, 06:44:05 PM There are deep questions are being raised was KH was ever in school that day? Was the Science Fair (exhibits) I really am beginning to think that, and the fair was set up the day ahead, might explain why there appeared to be hardly anyone there.set-up (in the Gym) the day before? Could that be when SM took a photo of the child? ' His coat and backpack are rumored to have been at the school, if that is the case, the student's and Teacher would have known he was on the premises without his coat. The link and the blogger comment, not mine, I'm still thinking. http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/kyron-horman-stepmother-polygraph/story?id=10964865 Nobody took him. He never made it to school. I said this in the beginning and I still state my opinion. He probably didn't get dressed fast enough, or acted hyper, or didn't do something just right. God only knows how long the poor kid was abused before this person snapped. I know, innocent until proven guilty, but you all wait and see. It smelled from day one. refuge51 4:13 PM http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/kyron-horman-stepmother-polygraph/story?id=10964865 Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: doubledecker on June 20, 2010, 06:54:36 PM http://registry.adoption.com/records/34580.html Good grief...is this SM? "There may be more than one person with her last name" yes this is her. We have looked up all of the info and confirmed and verified through docs. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: doubledecker on June 20, 2010, 06:57:46 PM Rumer Wow, now that is interesting if true, thanks. Off to the store, hope there is some news when I get back.I read on a Oregon blog that "SM owns property" on the Island being searched. The blogger did not gives any details. I discounted the comment or I would have saved it. Can we look up property in her name? Do we need the precise property location as we usually do? Thank-you:) I try not to bite on everything but I am curious. (This is a rumor until it is proven true) These are the only internet addresses I have found for her. This doesn't mean she didn't acquire property through marriages:) Albany, OR Beaverton, OR Eugene, OR Portland, OR Roseburg, OR Springfield, OR http://www.veromi.com (I am trying to be discreet since SM is more interested in the internet that SS missing) Beaverton, OR Blaine, WA Roseburg, OR A few more locations under "Ecker" (SM Lynn Ecker) I erased the relatives (they match up) locations are ifty on Intelius. http://intelius.com if you let me know what you are looking for I will try to find it. also some of you are on my board and if you need the info there to help you, use it Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 20, 2010, 07:12:56 PM BINGO! My son goes to Skyline. I was there that fateful morning from 8:45 - 9:50am. There were WAY WAY WAY too many parents, teachers, and administrators in the hallways, in the classes, AND parking lot. No predator is going to chance ANYTHING like that! If it looks, like a fish, acts like a fish, and smells like a fish, then guess what? As a parent of child who attends this school, I FIRMLY believe that Terri is the responsible party for Kyron to be missing. For her to tarnish this schools reputation, scaring everybody in the community, not to mention the resources that the MCSO/FBI have put into this case, is repugnant. Plain and simple, everything keeps pointing right back at her.... I just saw this on In Session board. But what makes sense to me is that I would imagine there was a lot of people running around that day because of the fair. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Babybear on June 20, 2010, 07:21:02 PM There are deep questions are being raised was KH was ever in school that day? Was the Science Fair (exhibits) I really am beginning to think that, and the fair was set up the day ahead, might explain why there appeared to be hardly anyone there.set-up (in the Gym) the day before? Could that be when SM took a photo of the child? ' His coat and backpack are rumored to have been at the school, if that is the case, the student's and Teacher would have known he was on the premises without his coat. The link and the blogger comment, not mine, I'm still thinking. http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/kyron-horman-stepmother-polygraph/story?id=10964865 Nobody took him. He never made it to school. I said this in the beginning and I still state my opinion. He probably didn't get dressed fast enough, or acted hyper, or didn't do something just right. God only knows how long the poor kid was abused before this person snapped. I know, innocent until proven guilty, but you all wait and see. It smelled from day one. refuge51 4:13 PM http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/kyron-horman-stepmother-polygraph/story?id=10964865 Hi monkeys--NRCG, I have thought the same from the first time I heard about this darling child being missing. I hope I'm wrong, but experience has shown us that children often go missing because of actions of relatives or caretakers. I hope he's alright, but doubt it. Poor little boy. He did look happy in the pics, though, and I too think that one taken at the science fair was probably taken the day before he disappeared, at the time it was being set up. I'm probably in the miniority, but I think body builders i.e. Arnold Swartzeneger and this woman are grotesque. JMOO Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: doubledecker on June 20, 2010, 07:22:37 PM thanks for finding that post NoRose...
now my question is this... if this person were there at the same time, and says WAY WAY too many people ... where are the people in the photo of kyron? looks like a little girl in the background with someone with a man's flannel shirt... those are the only people we see. so if the classrooms had way way too many people. when was this photo taken? Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 20, 2010, 07:29:51 PM That is a good question, where are all the people, only two people way in the back and you can barely see them in the photo. I am really thinking this pic of Kyron was taken the day before, but I would have no idea, it just seems odd to me. Babybear, I'm probably in the miniority, but I think body builders i.e. Arnold Swartzeneger and this woman are grotesque. I feel the same way Babybear, I could never figure that out why that is attractive.
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: sunshine12 on June 20, 2010, 07:51:56 PM here are some quotes from some parents at skyline that were found at the following website (i find the last quote very interesting and makes a lot of sense):
http://intensedebate.com/people/mimimom "BINGO! My son goes to Skyline. I was there that fateful morning from 8:45 - 9:50am. There were WAY WAY WAY too many parents, teachers, and administrators in the hallways, in the classes, AND parking lot. No predator is going to chance ANYTHING like that! If it looks, like a fish, acts like a fish, and smells like a fish, then guess what? As a parent of child who attends this school, I FIRMLY believe that Terri is the responsible party for Kyron to be missing. For her to tarnish this schools reputation, scaring everybody in the community, not to mention the resources that the MCSO/FBI have put into this case, is repugnant. Plain and simple, everything keeps pointing right back at her.... " "Isn't that convenient? Sure, I ALWAYS go to my son't teacher 8 DAYS before a Dr. appt. to inform her! NOT!!! My son goes to this school, I was there that morning...NO STRANGER came in to that school! WAY too many parents, teachers, and administrators around for that kind of NONSENSE!" "I have no doubt in my mind that IF the police thought that this was a stranger, the school would have NEVER been re-opened the following Monday of Kyron's disappearance. IMO, they would have wanted to preserve ANY ounce, or shred of evidence, DNA, or other tell tell signs of a stranger. Also, IMO, I was there at the science fair on Friday, and with ALL of those parents roaming the hallways, IF it would have been a stranger, all Kyron would have to do is look at them cross eyed, and one of us would have come to his rescue. No pedophile/kidnapper would be brazen enough to waltz in with all of those teachers, parents, and administrators in FULL presence!" "My son goes to Skyline School, and this situation has been very scary for all of us parents. I think the one thing that everybody seems to be missing is, why are the parents not lawyering up and suing PPS, and DEMANDING that the superintendent have the 2nd grade teacher, FIRED and brought up on criminal charges for NEGLIGENCE? These parents should be OUTRAGED!!! I would be calling every parent in that class, and informing them that their child is NOT safe! HOWEVER, NONE OF THIS IS BEING DONE, because this poor teacher had ZERO negligence in the disappearance of this child, and the Step-mom knows it. Based on whether she said the boy had an appointment or not, (no one really knows what was said to the teacher), BUT, whatever was said, was enough for that teacher to KNOW Kyron would be safe and with someone he knew, hence the reason for being marked absent, and NOT going to the school's secretary with information that he was not there. The school, and this teacher are getting a bad rap, because the police will not come out with the REAL details of what was said....she didn't just "see him walk down the hallway." That my friends, is WHY that 2nd grade teacher was, and still is, in that classroom and teaching until the very last day - SHE DID NOTHING WRONG!!!" Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: doubledecker on June 20, 2010, 08:03:32 PM now look at this from an early article:
Parent Gina Zimmerman was at the school for the science fair, which she described as major academic and social event for the school where the day's events included an afternoon talent show. She said Kyron is not the type of child to wander off. "He knows 'stranger danger," she said. "He's a really good kid." Parents are shocked at the disappearance, she said, and have been calling to share concerns at "our little school where everyone knows everybody." She last saw Kyron in the morning, when he posed in a classroom in front of his "red-eyed tree frog" science project. He was posing for a picture taken by his mother, whom he loves, Zimmerman said. Zimmerman's daughter Madi is one of Kyron's best friends. _________________________ now she says kyron posed in front of his exhibit ...that SHE last saw him in the morning AS HE POSED for the picture. so what the heck. she was there when he posed, and that is the last time she saw him. so according to her the photo was taken that morning. so where were the people? where they there taking a photo long before anyone else showed up? Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Nut44x4 on June 20, 2010, 08:06:26 PM Well, if you go back to page 2 and 3, many of us had Hinky Meter Syndrome, even at that point.
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: seahorse on June 20, 2010, 08:35:38 PM Rumer Wow, now that is interesting if true, thanks. Off to the store, hope there is some news when I get back.I read on a Oregon blog that "SM owns property" on the Island being searched. The blogger did not gives any details. I discounted the comment or I would have saved it. Can we look up property in her name? Do we need the precise property location as we usually do? Thank-you:) I try not to bite on everything but I am curious. (This is a rumor until it is proven true) These are the only internet addresses I have found for her. This doesn't mean she didn't acquire property through marriages:) Albany, OR Beaverton, OR Eugene, OR Portland, OR Roseburg, OR Springfield, OR http://www.veromi.com (I am trying to be discreet since SM is more interested in the internet that SS missing) Beaverton, OR Blaine, WA Roseburg, OR A few more locations under "Ecker" (SM Lynn Ecker) I erased the relatives (they match up) locations are ifty on Intelius. http://intelius.com if you let me know what you are looking for I will try to find it. also some of you are on my board and if you need the info there to help you, use it Thank-you, Doubledecker, I am still sniffing around... Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Wyks on June 20, 2010, 08:38:27 PM here are some quotes from some parents at skyline that were found at the following website (i find the last quote very interesting and makes a lot of sense): http://intensedebate.com/people/mimimom "BINGO! My son goes to Skyline. I was there that fateful morning from 8:45 - 9:50am. There were WAY WAY WAY too many parents, teachers, and administrators in the hallways, in the classes, AND parking lot. No predator is going to chance ANYTHING like that! If it looks, like a fish, acts like a fish, and smells like a fish, then guess what? As a parent of child who attends this school, I FIRMLY believe that Terri is the responsible party for Kyron to be missing. For her to tarnish this schools reputation, scaring everybody in the community, not to mention the resources that the MCSO/FBI have put into this case, is repugnant. Plain and simple, everything keeps pointing right back at her.... " "Isn't that convenient? Sure, I ALWAYS go to my son't teacher 8 DAYS before a Dr. appt. to inform her! NOT!!! My son goes to this school, I was there that morning...NO STRANGER came in to that school! WAY too many parents, teachers, and administrators around for that kind of NONSENSE!" "I have no doubt in my mind that IF the police thought that this was a stranger, the school would have NEVER been re-opened the following Monday of Kyron's disappearance. IMO, they would have wanted to preserve ANY ounce, or shred of evidence, DNA, or other tell tell signs of a stranger. Also, IMO, I was there at the science fair on Friday, and with ALL of those parents roaming the hallways, IF it would have been a stranger, all Kyron would have to do is look at them cross eyed, and one of us would have come to his rescue. No pedophile/kidnapper would be brazen enough to waltz in with all of those teachers, parents, and administrators in FULL presence!" "My son goes to Skyline School, and this situation has been very scary for all of us parents. I think the one thing that everybody seems to be missing is, why are the parents not lawyering up and suing PPS, and DEMANDING that the superintendent have the 2nd grade teacher, FIRED and brought up on criminal charges for NEGLIGENCE? These parents should be OUTRAGED!!! I would be calling every parent in that class, and informing them that their child is NOT safe! HOWEVER, NONE OF THIS IS BEING DONE, because this poor teacher had ZERO negligence in the disappearance of this child, and the Step-mom knows it. Based on whether she said the boy had an appointment or not, (no one really knows what was said to the teacher), BUT, whatever was said, was enough for that teacher to KNOW Kyron would be safe and with someone he knew, hence the reason for being marked absent, and NOT going to the school's secretary with information that he was not there. The school, and this teacher are getting a bad rap, because the police will not come out with the REAL details of what was said....she didn't just "see him walk down the hallway." That my friends, is WHY that 2nd grade teacher was, and still is, in that classroom and teaching until the very last day - SHE DID NOTHING WRONG!!!" Interesting, yes. The four posts above are from one parent though, not four seperate people. (Someone at another forum got things a bit mixed up). The link above goes to the list of posts that one parent made. Here is the main site link, see comments under article for the replies back and forth from other people. Including at least one supposedly from Terri using her RDSQRL nic. http://www.katu.com/news/96732144.html#IDComment81092970 (http://www.katu.com/news/96732144.html#IDComment81092970) Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: seahorse on June 20, 2010, 08:44:11 PM http://registry.adoption.com/records/34580.html Good grief...is this SM? "There may be more than one person with her last name" yes this is her. We have looked up all of the info and confirmed and verified through docs. Thank-you Double Decker, the article had the wrong information that I gleaned from, shucks. She was born in Cali (I have Oregon) on the Who's Who list. You Monkeys are the only ones that have right. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: doubledecker on June 20, 2010, 09:02:47 PM I'll go post in the who is who on this board what I have on terri about her birth/adoption/etc that explains it.
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: seahorse on June 20, 2010, 09:11:51 PM That is a good question, where are all the people, only two people way in the back and you can barely see them in the photo. I am really thinking this pic of Kyron was taken the day before, but I would have no idea, it just seems odd to me. Babybear, I'm probably in the miniority, but I think body builders i.e. Arnold Swartzeneger and this woman are grotesque. I feel the same way Babybear, I could never figure that out why that is attractive. The Oregon people are privy to information that we can't access, boo. So where the pings the same time she was supposely at the school? Comment by Josie June 19,2010 6:46pm http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/kyron_hormans_blended_family_f/4053/comments-7.html The island pinging part is easy. At about the time Terri claims to have been taking the boy to school, and spending some quality time there with him -- her cellphone was on Stauvie Island. But was her cellphone wiith her there, or without her? That's a good question. Maybe, she sent it along with her older son, so he could call her from that weekend scout outing that she'd said he was on, with his father. (don't ask me which one, though) snip.. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: seahorse on June 20, 2010, 09:15:45 PM I'll go post in the who is who on this board what I have on terri about her birth/adoption/etc that explains it. Thank-you, that is very impressive you solved she is adopted. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 20, 2010, 09:33:02 PM Well, if you go back to page 2 and 3, many of us had Hinky Meter Syndrome, even at that point. I know that I certainly did.Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tracygirl on June 20, 2010, 10:24:37 PM now look at this from an early article: Parent Gina Zimmerman was at the school for the science fair, which she described as major academic and social event for the school where the day's events included an afternoon talent show. She said Kyron is not the type of child to wander off. "He knows 'stranger danger," she said. "He's a really good kid." Parents are shocked at the disappearance, she said, and have been calling to share concerns at "our little school where everyone knows everybody." She last saw Kyron in the morning, when he posed in a classroom in front of his "red-eyed tree frog" science project. He was posing for a picture taken by his mother, whom he loves, Zimmerman said. Zimmerman's daughter Madi is one of Kyron's best friends. _________________________ now she says kyron posed in front of his exhibit ...that SHE last saw him in the morning AS HE POSED for the picture. so what the heck. she was there when he posed, and that is the last time she saw him. so according to her the photo was taken that morning. so where were the people? where they there taking a photo long before anyone else showed up? I had read didn't I that they got there around 8 or so? Or was it 8:15? Hmmm so either they happened to not catch anyone in that pic other then the girl and the man or Gina Zimmerman is also in on this? What do we know about her, anything leads to her? Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Deenie on June 20, 2010, 11:08:52 PM Evening Monkeys,
Sorry if this has already been posted. I offer up " a person's birds eye view" - one who studies " body language" .. her Blog. She has a few links within Kyron's case on her blog. If you go to this link - it will link back to her prior posts since Kyron was reported missing. This link is her written commentary as of June 19th. http://eyesforlies.blogspot.com/search/label/Kyron%20Horman Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Itaryl Moosee on June 21, 2010, 12:22:59 AM http://registry.adoption.com/records/34580.html Good grief...is this SM? "There may be more than one person with her last name" I don't know what to make of that. I was the one who found this three days after he was missing. I searched intellius and it showed the name Terry Lynn Ecker living in the Horman household, so I searched for that name and the adoption thing came up. The date of birth matches, March 14th, 1970. The Terri L. name matches. The fact that she was going to Northwest Christian to finish her Bachelors matches. But, it could've been a sick joke by her, because the name Ecker came to her when she married Richard Ecker. The entry on adoption.com was made April 3rd, 1999, and she names her spouse as Richard. I was fooled, too, because I think it's not legit. Unless her real (bio) parents are named Ecker, but I doubt it. Terri was born March 14, 1970 and grew up in Roseburg, the daughter of two teachers, Carol and Larry Moulton. She graduated from Roseburg High School in 1988 and went to Umpqua Community College, where she met her first husband, Ron Tarver. They married in 1991 in Roseburg. Their son, James Logan, was born Jan. 26, 1994. The couple divorced in 1995 but tangled in court in 1999 over Tarver's failure to pay child support. Court documents indicate that he did not pay child support between 1996 and 1998. By that time, though, she had moved on. In 1996, she married Richard Ecker in Springfield. He adopted James two years later. Ecker, who now lives in the Portland area, continues to pay more than $500 in monthly child support for James, though he's not seen him in six or seven years. "He's still my legal son," Ecker said. During their marriage, Terri earned a bachelor's degree from Northwest Christian University in Eugene in 2000, according to her Facebook page. http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/kyron_hormans_blended_family_f.html Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Itaryl Moosee on June 21, 2010, 12:46:03 AM http://registry.adoption.com/records/34580.html Good grief...is this SM? "There may be more than one person with her last name" I don't know what to make of that. I was the one who found this three days after he was missing. I searched intellius and it showed the name Terry Lynn Ecker living in the Horman household, so I searched for that name and the adoption thing came up. The date of birth matches, March 14th, 1970. The Terri L. name matches. The fact that she was going to Northwest Christian to finish her Bachelors matches. But, it could've been a sick joke by her, because the name Ecker came to her when she married Richard Ecker. The entry on adoption.com was made April 3rd, 1999, and she names her spouse as Richard. I was fooled, too, because I think it's not legit. Unless her real (bio) parents are named Ecker, but I doubt it. Terri was born March 14, 1970 and grew up in Roseburg, the daughter of two teachers, Carol and Larry Moulton. She graduated from Roseburg High School in 1988 and went to Umpqua Community College, where she met her first husband, Ron Tarver. They married in 1991 in Roseburg. Their son, James Logan, was born Jan. 26, 1994. The couple divorced in 1995 but tangled in court in 1999 over Tarver's failure to pay child support. Court documents indicate that he did not pay child support between 1996 and 1998. By that time, though, she had moved on. In 1996, she married Richard Ecker in Springfield. He adopted James two years later. Ecker, who now lives in the Portland area, continues to pay more than $500 in monthly child support for James, though he's not seen him in six or seven years. "He's still my legal son," Ecker said. During their marriage, Terri earned a bachelor's degree from Northwest Christian University in Eugene in 2000, according to her Facebook page. http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/kyron_hormans_blended_family_f.html Okay, I'd like to amend that last post of mine... I would say that it's highly doubtful, though not impossible. The newspaper article mentioned the families dynamics, and offered information that Kaine was adopted, so why would they not mention hers? JMO Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: cartfly on June 21, 2010, 01:42:06 AM Well, if you go back to page 2 and 3, many of us had Hinky Meter Syndrome, even at that point. You're right. That news conference where the parents appeared pretty much sealed the deal for me as far as who the guilty party was. My hinkymet Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: cartfly on June 21, 2010, 01:45:36 AM Well, if you go back to page 2 and 3, many of us had Hinky Meter Syndrome, even at that point. You're right. That news conference where the parents appeared pretty much sealed the deal for me as far as who the guilty party was. My hinkymet post continued My hinky meter almost lost a spring after the news conference. JMHO Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Itaryl Moosee on June 21, 2010, 01:58:55 AM Klaasend, please erase my messages 796 and 797.
They make me "sound" stupider. :) Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: seahorse on June 21, 2010, 06:39:47 AM http://registry.adoption.com/records/34580.html Good grief...is this SM? "There may be more than one person with her last name" I don't know what to make of that. I was the one who found this three days after he was missing. I searched intellius and it showed the name Terry Lynn Ecker living in the Horman household, so I searched for that name and the adoption thing came up. The date of birth matches, March 14th, 1970. The Terri L. name matches. The fact that she was going to Northwest Christian to finish her Bachelors matches. But, it could've been a sick joke by her, because the name Ecker came to her when she married Richard Ecker. The entry on adoption.com was made April 3rd, 1999, and she names her spouse as Richard. I was fooled, too, because I think it's not legit. Unless her real (bio) parents are named Ecker, but I doubt it. Terri was born March 14, 1970 and grew up in Roseburg, the daughter of two teachers, Carol and Larry Moulton. She graduated from Roseburg High School in 1988 and went to Umpqua Community College, where she met her first husband, Ron Tarver. They married in 1991 in Roseburg. Their son, James Logan, was born Jan. 26, 1994. The couple divorced in 1995 but tangled in court in 1999 over Tarver's failure to pay child support. Court documents indicate that he did not pay child support between 1996 and 1998. By that time, though, she had moved on. In 1996, she married Richard Ecker in Springfield. He adopted James two years later. Ecker, who now lives in the Portland area, continues to pay more than $500 in monthly child support for James, though he's not seen him in six or seven years. "He's still my legal son," Ecker said. During their marriage, Terri earned a bachelor's degree from Northwest Christian University in Eugene in 2000, according to her Facebook page. http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/kyron_hormans_blended_family_f.html Great find Itaryl...persistence pays for Monkey's. She was married to Ecker at that time, (1999 adoption registry). Perhaps she used her then married name, so Mum would not be aware that her adopted daughter was seeking out her birth parents. SM parents may be sauvie on the computer. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: seahorse on June 21, 2010, 06:55:36 AM Interesting comment:
Bobbie Wallace says: June 18, 2010 at 10:13 pm I wondered the same thing! It appears they used stills from the tv stations news cameras. Another thing: I heard that picture of Kyron with his science project was originally on Terri’s personal FaceBook page, with a date of 6/3/10 on it! Taken the day BEFORE Kyron disappeared? Then suddenly, it disappeared off her page, then her page was shut down, and now the picture no longer has the date stamp on it. Hmmmmm. . . . . http://blogs.wweek.com/news/2010/06/18/the-step-mom-the-truck-and-the-uncle-the-latest-on-kyron-horman/ Oregon Newspapers On-Line http://www.portlandoregonnewspapers.com/ I just love newspapers even as a kKd I did. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: seahorse on June 21, 2010, 06:58:18 AM Sorry, I should check my spelling, I just love newspapers even as a Kid I did, sorry I will use my spelling dictionary from now on!
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: trimmonthelake on June 21, 2010, 08:42:48 AM http://www.thehinkymeter.com/
Kyron Horman: Update 06/21/10 Posted on June 21st, 2010 by Valhall Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: theboyzmom on June 21, 2010, 08:49:45 AM Sorry, I should check my spelling, I just love newspapers even as a Kid I did, sorry I will use my spelling dictionary from now on! No worries - I have found most of the world does not use the dictionary for definitions anyway - why use it for spelling! {{insert evil smiling monkey}} Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: cookie on June 21, 2010, 08:59:05 AM Well, if you go back to page 2 and 3, many of us had Hinky Meter Syndrome, even at that point. You're right. That news conference where the parents appeared pretty much sealed the deal for me as far as who the guilty party was. My hinkymet that was it for me as well...the SM appears to be looking for the camera..trying to look distraught..but to me it looks like her face is saying....just a matter of time and they will find me out...why did I do what I did...JMO...it looked like a face of regret to me...Not accusing her of anything..just made me do a ahmmmmm moment... Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: seahorse on June 21, 2010, 09:48:59 AM Goodmorning to ALL! I hope I am not be annoying with my posting of comments. SM must be glued to the internet with her malted milkshakes. IMO --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- kgw.com Posted on June 20, 2010 at 5:32 PM Updated yesterday at 7:32 PM HILLSBORO, Ore. The extra scrutiny on Terri Horman is taking an emotional toll, according to a close friend. "I want people to know that she's a good person she's a devoted mother," said Jaymie Finster. snip... http://www.kgw.com/news/Close-friend-of-Horman-condemns-Internet-rumors-96764789.html?commentPage=1#comments ahhhhh said on June 20, 2010 at 8:00 PM Really...this is the statement she wants her friend to pass on to the public??? How about..thank you to everyone looking for Kyron. Your prayers & support mean so much to our family. Please continue looking and leave no stone unturned. I'm so scared for him and what he must be going through and if he has food and water and a warm blanket at night. Please bring him home. How about "Kyron if you can hear me, I love you, we want you home, hang in there" How is this women only concerned about what bad things people are saying about her.....nothing about her concern for Kyron and his safety....give me a break! Then you ask your friend to please tell everyone to stop saying bad things about you? Wow! Your only concern should be finding your son not the mean things people are saying about you. If you can't take the heat than stop reading the comments. Things like this are only digging your hole deeper. If your are innocent than you really need your head checked lady. 45804048 Flag this commentsoujournertruth said on June 20, 2010 at 7:58 PM http://www.kgw.com/news/Close-friend-of-Horman-condemns-Internet-rumors-96764789.html?commentPage=1#comments Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: seahorse on June 21, 2010, 09:54:16 AM Well, if you go back to page 2 and 3, many of us had Hinky Meter Syndrome, even at that point. You're right. That news conference where the parents appeared pretty much sealed the deal for me as far as who the guilty party was. My hinkymet that was it for me as well...the SM appears to be looking for the camera..trying to look distraught..but to me it looks like her face is saying....just a matter of time and they will find me out...why did I do what I did...JMO...it looked like a face of regret to me...Not accusing her of anything..just made me do a ahmmmmm moment... Yeppers! Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 21, 2010, 09:56:48 AM Seahorse, please keep posting those comments, much appreciated.
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Lenie on June 21, 2010, 10:26:27 AM I am sorry that I do not have a link, but I know I read early on that TM was adopted and raised by the parents that are school teachers. I do not know where it was only that it was in one of the earlier stories. Thanks so much for all of the updates!
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 21, 2010, 11:30:50 AM http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/37820864/ns/today-today_people/#ixzz0rV0qPwHG A letter to Kyron from his mother.
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: mediamama on June 21, 2010, 11:39:36 AM http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/37820864/ns/today-today_people/#ixzz0rV0qPwHG A letter to Kyron from his mother. Now THAT is interesting. Timing, wording... Hmmmm. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: trimmonthelake on June 21, 2010, 11:50:58 AM http://www.istockanalyst.com/article/viewiStockNews/articleid/4234477
Parents, others from community return questionnaires Sunday in the effort to find Kyron Horman Monday, June 21, 2010 11:09 AM Source: The Oregonian)trackingBy Michelle Cole, The Oregonian, Portland, Ore. Jun. 21--Cars and trucks pulled periodically into the parking lot at Skyline School, where Multnomah County authorities waited in the drizzle Sunday to collect questionnaires they hope will bring new clues to help them find missing 7-year-old Kyron Horman. Chris Feryn was among at least 100 parents who dropped off a questionnaire between 9 a.m. and 7 p.m. Feryn's son just finished seventh grade at Skyline and had answered questions in the days since Kyron was last seen at the school June 4. "He didn't have a lot of information the first time," Feryn said about his son. "We'll try to help out however we can." A Multnomah County sheriff's spokesman said there was nothing new to report in the investigation Sunday. It's too soon to say whether the information collected Sunday assisted the investigation, Sgt. Travis Gullberg of the sheriff's office said. "My guess is it was only collected today," Gullberg said. "It's going to take some time to go through it all." Authorities had asked parents, teachers, staff and anyone else who was at the school the day the boy disappeared to complete questionnaires seeking additional information about whether they saw Kyron's stepmother, Terri Moulton Horman, or the white Ford F250 pickup that she drove that day to school. Terri Horman was the last known person to have seen the boy more than two weeks ago. Police and volunteers have scoured the tall grass and forested area that surrounds the school. Thirty billboards with Kyron's picture and information now dot the metro area -- 10 in English, 10 in Spanish and 10 in Russian. Authorities decided late last week to go back and ask anyone at the school to think again about that last day, when Kyron attended a science fair with his stepmother. A sheriff's deputy and investigator from the district attorney's office erected a blue awning in the parking lot and hung signs with oversize photos of the smiling boy. At least 100 vehicles had stopped at the parking lot by 7 p.m., Gullberg said. But some of the vehicles carried more than one questionnaire, making it difficult to tally total responses Sunday evening. Skip Young stopped by just after 10:30 a.m. to bring questionnaires completed by his 13-year-old and 10-year-old, both students at the school. Young said Kyron's disappearance was a shock to everyone, but he added that the expansive search and police presence has been a "comfort." "Something like this, I believe, can happen anywhere," he said. Like others who dropped off questionnaires, Young declined to speculate about the rumors circulating on Facebook and elsewhere about what happened to the boy. "It's such a sensitive topic," Young said. He said he has reminded his kids that "everything is still just a theory. And people can get hurt." With the school year ended, the playground in front of the school seemed eerily empty. Someone had tied four new bright red balloons --two hearts and two shaped like stars -- to the chain-link fence out front. There was also a handwritten sign that read: "Wall of Hope for Kyron Horman." -- Michelle Cole Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: seahorse on June 21, 2010, 11:57:28 AM Seahorse, please keep posting those comments, much appreciated. Hi NoRose & Monkeys, Thank-you. I found myself monopolizing the boards and I didn't wish to do that. This photo of Kyron makes me laugh, he smiles when eats, he is just too cute. http://www.katu.com/news/local/96732144.html?video=YHI&t=a Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 21, 2010, 11:57:34 AM http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/37820864/ns/today-today_people/#ixzz0rV0qPwHG A letter to Kyron from his mother. Now THAT is interesting. Timing, wording... Hmmmm. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 21, 2010, 11:58:48 AM Seahorse, please keep posting those comments, much appreciated. Hi NoRose & Monkeys, Thank-you. I found myself monopolizing the boards and I didn't wish to do that. This photo of Kyron makes me laugh, he smiles when eats, he is just too cute. http://www.katu.com/news/local/96732144.html?video=YHI&t=a Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: cartfly on June 21, 2010, 11:59:50 AM http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/37820864/ns/today-today_people/#ixzz0rV0qPwHG A letter to Kyron from his mother. Thanks NoRose for the updates. Here is the letter from the link: Dear Kyron, I am so soooooo sorry that this has happened. I am sorry that I was not there to protect you. I will never be able to forgive myself for being so many hours away when you needed me the most. I pray that you come back to me because I am afraid that I can’t live without you. I miss you every second of every day. I would give my life for yours, I just want you back safe. You must come back to us. We have so many things that we have planned this summer that you are going to love. Quinn loves you so much and wants you home too. All of the family is here and wants you to know just how much they miss you. Mayson is terribly sad without his best friend to play with and wants you home soon. Story continues below ↓advertisement | your ad here When you come home I will show you all of the things that everyone did for you, just to find you. There are literally hundreds of thousands of people that don’t know you and yet they pray for you every night. They know how much I miss you and need you and they just want to bring you home to me. There are so many wonderful people working on this case and they are going to find you soon. I would give anything to run my fingers through your short hair again. I miss having you to hug anytime I want. Nighttime is always hard for me. I miss you so much and want you back here so that I can protect you from all of the horrible things in this world. I just can’t believe that you aren’t still with us. Your life has been really great and I know that it is [not] done yet. A long time ago you saved my life and now I am going to do the same for you. Our lives will never be the same after this. I love you very much! Momma (Desiree Young) Read more: http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/37820864/ns/today-today_people/#ixzz0rVHb5BPG Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 21, 2010, 12:06:42 PM Thanks cartfly.
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: seahorse on June 21, 2010, 12:27:49 PM happyoregonmom - poster- (Second post under Kyron's photo) They were searching the "Forest Park area" this morning along Germantown Road. My husband saw local police and FBI agents. http://www.katu.com/news/local/96732144.html#idc-cover http://trails.mtbr.com/cat/united-states-trails/trails-oregon/trail/PRD_169756_4571crx.aspx Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 21, 2010, 12:29:03 PM happyoregonmom - poster- (Second post under Kyron's photo) They were searching the "Forest Park area" this morning along Germantown Road. My husband saw local police and FBI agents. http://www.katu.com/news/local/96732144.html#idc-cover http://trails.mtbr.com/cat/united-states-trails/trails-oregon/trail/PRD_169756_4571crx.aspx Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: seahorse on June 21, 2010, 12:38:17 PM +7 Vote up Vote down happyoregonmom 77p · June 20, 2010 05:30:17
They were searching the Forest Park area this morning along Germantown Road. My husband saw local police and FBI agents. Second post, under Kyron's Photo on comments page 2 (after 241 comments are downloaded) Happy Oregon Mom's comment was yesterday, I try not to mislead. Yesterday she said they were searching. I do not know if the search is still going on today (at the Forest) or in fact ever was, I am trusting Happy Oregon Mom. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Patricia Mocha Latte on June 21, 2010, 01:04:39 PM Did anyone else notice how the neighbor, Jim Kelley first reported that he and a neighbor had seen a truck, then he states car, then changes that to "vehicle" in his telling of the alleged sightings?
I also found it odd that according to Jim Kelley's statements that both he and this neighbor allegedly both saw the exact same thing on both occasions??? Even at 2 something am. jmvho Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: seahorse on June 21, 2010, 01:23:49 PM Patricia where does this guy live at please? I know you have a good memory. The reason I am asking I am curious,
if is near Forest Park off of Germantown Road, Portland, Oregon? I am puzzled it has two zipcodes, I hate that!:) A blogger noted a search was taken place yesterday at Forest Park, off of Germantown Road, Portland, Oregon. Thank-you Kyron missed the picnic. http://www.pps.k12.or.us/schools/skyline/ Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Patricia Mocha Latte on June 21, 2010, 01:24:10 PM http://www.oregonlive.com/oregonian/
The Oregonian on Day 3 reported Noelle Crombie 1:29 p.m. — Neighbors stop by Brooks Hill Historic church, across the street from the school, to mull over the investigation. “This kind of thing is unheard of,” says Jim Kelley, 50. Kelley, who lives about a mile and a half down hill, at the end of a winding, secluded country lane off Cornelius Pass, said police, federal agents, K-9 teams and helicopters scoured the area Saturday. “We had two odd sightings of a vehicle on our road Friday,” Kelley said. Around 3 p.m., he and a neighbor reported seeing a white pick-up truck with a female driver pull to the end of the long road, idle and then turn around. Then again at 2 a.m. Saturday morning, a similar white pickup truck appeared, idled and when a neighbor loosed her dogs, eased away. “A, it was strange to have a car there, any car there, that we didn’t know, and B, it was strange to have a vehicle come down our dead-end road twice in the same day, hours after a little boy goes missing,” said Kelley. “That’s beyond rare.” Kelley said authorities have twice searched the deep ravine, creek and railroad tracks located near the end of his street by air and on foot. --------------------------------------------------------------- Mr. Kelley suggested, "This kind of thing is "unheard of". Emphasis suggests that these are incidents of significant importance yet he cannot maintain stating that it was indeed a truck that he and his neighbor had seen on those alleged two odd occasions? Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Patricia Mocha Latte on June 21, 2010, 01:34:46 PM I had glanced at a few conversations at IS yesterday and there were some interesting discussions regarding this man and I believe I had seen an address there. Still searching...
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Patricia Mocha Latte on June 21, 2010, 01:44:59 PM http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:CgHnZCr2Xq4J:www.yeabikes.net/whatitis.html+Elinor+Markgraf,+Portland,+Oregon&cd=9&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a
Found this very interesting. Scroll down to the date 2.26.05 I believe the address is the same? I'm not sure yet though. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: cartfly on June 21, 2010, 01:46:39 PM Did anyone else notice how the neighbor, Jim Kelley first reported that he and a neighbor had seen a truck, then he states car, then changes that to "vehicle" in his telling of the alleged sightings? Not sure if this is relevant or not but interesting and confusing to say the least. I also found it odd that according to Jim Kelley's statements that both he and this neighbor allegedly both saw the exact same thing on both occasions??? Even at 2 something am. I saw something interesting over at Insessions on 6/19. They were discussing how Jim Kelley's address was the same as a woman named Elinor Markgraf who has also made comments in the press. Some were speculating that Jim was inserting himself into the case much like that guy (can't remember exactly in WA or OR) that inserted himself in a case where he was the perp and two young girls were buried right in his own yard. The members also found this (warning: disturbing): http://www.yeabikes.net/whatitis.html (http://www.yeabikes.net/whatitis.html) 2.26.05 [ .Elinor Markgraf. ] Someone else has to read this crazy sh**. I started getting these e-mails at work, maybe a year ago. I got two I think. It was so bizarre, this guy's stories about some woman named Elinor Markgraf, and she's local, she writes for the Oregonian. So I wrote the guy asking why he was sending them to me. I don't remember what he said, though I do know he said he needed to get the word out there about this. Well, today I got one at my personal e-mail account. I am just one of a buhzillion people he sends this to, he must have trolled my address off the internet? Am I crazy or is this sh** crazy? Ayleen ----- Forwarded message from tavistock brown ----- Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 10:53:52 -0800 (PST) From: tavistock brown Reply-To: tavistock brown Subject: Part 4: In which I confess to Attempted Murder To: ayleen@riseup.net This concludes the events that immediately followed from my visit to Elinor Markgraf's house at 18212 NW 6th Ave, Portland OR 97231 in the summer of 1995. After I had gone to Children's Services to report the horrifying condition of our four youngest children and of the starved cattle and they had refused even to hear me out, I returned to Eugene in turmoil. What on earth was I to do?. Her father didn't want to know, her mother was dead, and the Oregon department of social welfare designed to deal with such problems reneged on their duty. I soon arrived at a decision, waking at 3am to the nightmare of this internal dialog: "You have to kill her". "But she's always with the kids, how can I do that in front of them"? "She has to be stopped; there's no other way to do it, you have to kill her". This internal dialog was my constant companion as the night wore away, together with the terrible memory of the four youngest sitting still and silent, staring at nothing, while minutes passed by. I made my preparations for murder, packing a bedroll and the handle from my pickax into one of those 4ft long army kit bags, caught the bus and arrived in Portland that afternoon. The conflicted parts of my persona continued their struggle unabated. Memories of the past few days fought for mind time with projections of the near future, my beating Elinor to death with the pickax handle while the children screamed. I rode my bicycle out of Portland, along Skyline Blvd to Cornelius Pass, then down the hill a little to where the railroad track enters the tunnel. I walked my bike down the track away from the tunnel to a small rocky area often used for target practise. It was late afternoon. I was completely exhausted from the internal conflict. I had no idea what to do. Plainly the murder faction within me was the stronger and, as things stood, would succeed in getting me to the house with my club; equally plainly, I was no longer in any condition to kill a fly, let alone marching into a house containing seven people and beating one of them to death in front of the others. So I temporized with myself, "go to sleep now and get up before dawn; do it while they're all asleep, with luck it will be over and done without even waking the kids up". Such sage advice; I laid out my bedroll and went to sleep. And awoke to daylight. For a moment I thought it was the same day. But the air was too cool, I had slept the clock round and it was early morning. Cursing, the murder faction leapt me from my bedroll, into my clothes, snatched up the pickax handle and set off at a run towards the house about a mile away. As I ran I planned my approach strategy. Rather than take the longer route down to the road from the railroad track and then up the driveway to the house, I took the shortcut thru the woods and the undergrowth at the end of the neighbors yard, which led directly down to the house. Speed was of the essence if I was to get there before they started waking up. I broke from cover for the last 50 yard dash to the house, crossed the electric fence that surrounded Mr, Charboneau's vegetable garden, and heard Elinor calling from the bathroom to Gus outside the house, hidden from my view behind some sheds. "Gus, there's a man in the bushes, go up to Mr Charboneau and have him call the police". Gus answered "What ... why?", and Elinor urged again "go to Mr Charboneau, have him call the police", and Gus replied "oh ... all right" and began walking down the driveway. I stood at bat with the pickax handle a few seconds longer, then aborted the attempt and returned home. I made no further attempts to kill Elinor, plainly I really didn't want to kill her (something made me sleep 5 hours longer than I usually do, and why did I choose the only approach to the house that lay in full view of the bathroom and one of the bedrooms, which almost guaranteed I would be seen if people were just waking up?). Perhaps you feel this is a pretty thin example of attempted murder, that I never got closer than 50 feet to the target, never entered the building she was in, and abandoned the approach as soon as I was seen. The statute concerned (Oregon Revised Statutes 161.405) reads in part: ÒAttemptÓ described. (1) A person is guilty of an attempt to commit a crime when the person intentionally engages in conduct which constitutes a substantial step toward commission of the crime. The phrase "substantial step" is obviously open to interpretation. Premeditation is required and present; I planned the act ahead of time and carried the chosen murder weapon (pickax handle) with me all the way from Eugene. "Substantial step"; intent on murder I travelled more than 120 miles and abandoned the attempt with but 50 feet to go, only because the necessary conditions (everyone asleep) weren't met. In these 4 emails I have reported a number of horribly disturbing incidents. All are true. You either believe me or you do not. If you believe me then plainly I have committed a major crime, while Elinor Markgraf is insane and an ongoing danger to her children's welfare, regardless of the fact that they are now adults. If you don't believe me then you probably think I'm viciously assassinating Elinor Markgraf's character, and should be taught a stiff lesson. The means is at hand; attempted murder is a major felony and there are people serving as much as 75 years for this crime. Elinor Markgraf and Gus Lawrence can confirm the end of the account I have made here. Whatever you believe, bring me to justice. I should be brought to trial and serve my sentence if convicted. Don't let Elinor slide out of this by claiming I'm crazy and don't know what I'm saying. If I'm guilty I should serve my sentence. Elinor is insane and our children should be fully apprised of the danger she is to them. The only way to realize these ends is to put me on trial. Please help me bring this about. Demand that authority bring me to justice. Thank you. Graham Lawrence 1/31/2005 Then there is this: http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=or&vol=A128401&invol=1# (http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=or&vol=A128401&invol=1#) I mention all of this only because this obviously sick man is "homeless" and from what I could tell not incarcerated and anything is possible. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Patricia Mocha Latte on June 21, 2010, 01:46:46 PM 2.26.05 titled: "Elinor Markgraf"
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: cartfly on June 21, 2010, 01:48:38 PM I had glanced at a few conversations at IS yesterday and there were some interesting discussions regarding this man and I believe I had seen an address there. Still searching... Sorry Patricia, looks like we were posting and thinking about the same thing at the same time!! ;) Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Patricia Mocha Latte on June 21, 2010, 01:50:08 PM Is it possible that Elinor Markgraf is still residing at this address or?
The mental illness factor is disturbing. Birds of a feather or? Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: mediamama on June 21, 2010, 01:50:33 PM http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:CgHnZCr2Xq4J:www.yeabikes.net/whatitis.html+Elinor+Markgraf,+Portland,+Oregon&cd=9&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a Found this very interesting. Scroll down to the date 2.26.05 I believe the address is the same? I'm not sure yet though. What the...?!?!? Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Patricia Mocha Latte on June 21, 2010, 01:52:21 PM Great minds think alike Cartfly? LOL!
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: cartfly on June 21, 2010, 01:53:12 PM http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:CgHnZCr2Xq4J:www.yeabikes.net/whatitis.html+Elinor+Markgraf,+Portland,+Oregon&cd=9&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a Found this very interesting. Scroll down to the date 2.26.05 I believe the address is the same? I'm not sure yet though. What the...?!?!? Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 21, 2010, 01:54:03 PM 2.26.05 titled: "Elinor Markgraf" Wow, now that is disturbing and scaryTitle: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: cartfly on June 21, 2010, 01:54:08 PM Great minds think alike Cartfly? LOL! Too funny!!! :) Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Patricia Mocha Latte on June 21, 2010, 02:00:52 PM bbl to discuss.
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Patricia Mocha Latte on June 21, 2010, 03:35:15 PM http://archives.lists.indymedia.org/imc-editorial/2003-December/008175.html
umm. I have goosebumps. This is getting very weird... Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 21, 2010, 03:56:59 PM http://archives.lists.indymedia.org/imc-editorial/2003-December/008175.html This is all just way to weird.umm. I have goosebumps. This is getting very weird... Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Patricia Mocha Latte on June 21, 2010, 04:06:15 PM Can any of the wonderful Monkeys do a family tree for this bunch?
The Father has been accused of having a mental illness and such. His having a mental illness does not necessarily exclude any of his family members from having the same possible issues, including his wife/exwife or others in their circle. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: seahorse on June 21, 2010, 04:20:39 PM http://www.tripcheck.com/Pages/RCmap.asp?curRegion=0&mainNav=RoadConditions
Hi Monkey's, I just began to think (LOL) are camera's around the area's? I haven't checked out the site yet but it does look interesting. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: seahorse on June 21, 2010, 04:26:59 PM Can any of the wonderful Monkeys do a family tree for this bunch? The Father has been accused of having a mental illness and such. His having a mental illness does not necessarily exclude any of his family members from having the same possible issues, including his wife/exwife or others in their circle. Hi Patricia, Monkey SuzieQ is good at genealogy, if that helps. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tamikosmom on June 21, 2010, 04:49:08 PM Kyron Horman's Mother Shares Open Letter to Missing Son on 'Today Show'
Associated Content - 2 hours ago http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/5508396/kyron_hormans_mother_shares_open_letter.html?cat=8 Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: seahorse on June 21, 2010, 04:58:54 PM Can any of the wonderful Monkeys do a family tree for this bunch? The Father has been accused of having a mental illness and such. His having a mental illness does not necessarily exclude any of his family members from having the same possible issues, including his wife/exwife or others in their circle. Patricia, http://www.justicequest.net/forums/showthread.php?p=406482 A detailed look at the families involved around little Kyron Horman. I don't have a membership to ancestry.com, wonderful SuzieQ may have one and she even offered at one time to do look-ups. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Wyks on June 21, 2010, 05:13:03 PM There are some monkeys working on the who's who in a thread here too:
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8168.0 (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8168.0) Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: seahorse on June 21, 2010, 05:41:55 PM Monkeys,
I am trying to find out if Road Camera were available for SM car the day or night when Kyron vanished. Road camera's are located on Route 26 (NW Sunset Hwy) and Route 30, St. Helens Road? Skyline Elementary School, 11536 NW Skyline Blvd. is sandwiched between RT 26 & RT 30. http://local.yahoo.com/info-35164396-skyline-elementary-school-portland?viewtype=map http://www.tripcheck.com/Pages/RCMap.asp?mainNav=RoadConditions&curRegion=16 (Click on a cam if you are interested and the section of the road will be detailed) I need an Atlas. :) Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Wyks on June 21, 2010, 06:33:14 PM WTH?? Is this another fine example of sloppy reporting?? Or breaking news? ~~~~ Missing: Kyron Horman – Step Mother Terri Horman a Suspect in Case of Missing Oregon Boy By Alan Harten on June 21, 2010 http://apexnewsnetwork.com/23208/missing-kyron-horman-step-mother-terri-horman-a-suspect-in-case-of-missing-oregon-boy/ (http://apexnewsnetwork.com/23208/missing-kyron-horman-step-mother-terri-horman-a-suspect-in-case-of-missing-oregon-boy/) It has been 16 days since seven year old Kyron Horman disappeared without a trace. It now seems that officers who have been searching for him have abandoned that search and are now following a new lead. They are now turning their attentions little closer to home, in the shape of the boy’s stepmother, Terri Horman. They are asking the public to assist them in helping to paint a picture of Horman’s whereabouts on the day that the seven-year-old went missing. It is already clear that she was the last person to see the boy before he disappeared; she claims that she walked with Kyron all the way to his class that fateful morning. But so far police have not been able to find a single witness to backup this claim, and are now searching for a definitive answer as to whether this is true or not. ~~~ And.... in the last paragraph.. "she claims that she walked with Kyron all the way to his class that fateful morning." well.. she said the last time she saw him, he was walking 'toward' his classroom. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tamikosmom on June 21, 2010, 06:39:55 PM WITNESSES
Details emerge about the day Kyron Horman turned up missing Published: Saturday, June 05, 2010, 11:21 PM Updated: Friday, June 18, 2010, 5:02 PM They arrived sometime after the school opened about 8 a.m., went to his classroom, dropped off his coat and backpack and he showed his stepmother his exhibit, "The Red-Eyed Tree Frog." ... Although the school usually opens at 8:35 a.m. and the final bell rings 10 minutes later, the school opened as early as 8 Friday for the science fair, said Matt Shelby, spokesman for Portland Public Schools. Other students and parents showed up early as well to check out the fair, and Terri and Kyron saw people they knew while looking at the exhibits, Carol Moulton said. Terri often volunteers at the school, working closely with Kyron's teacher, Kristina Porter. Shelby said that Porter saw Kyron in her classroom with his stepmom before 8:45 a.m. and another instructor reported seeing him in another classroom at some point. At 8:45 a.m. when the bell rang, Terri walked her stepson down the hall close to his class http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/details_emerge_about_the_day_k.html Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tamikosmom on June 21, 2010, 06:44:26 PM June 21, 2010 11:35 AM
Missing Boy Kyron Horman's Stepmom Takes Polygraph, Says Friend PORTLAND, Ore. (CBS/KOIN/AP) The stepmother of Kyron Horman, the Oregon boy who disappeared from his elementary school, was scheduled to take a second polygraph test Saturday, a friend told a local newspaper. PICTURES: Kyron Horman Missing The 7-year-old vanished June 4, and his stepmother has figured prominently in the investigation since then, because authorities say she was the last known person to see him alive. On Friday, investigators distributed a flier asking if anyone saw his stepmother near Skyline School on the day the 7-year-old vanished, but have not called her a suspect or a person-of-interest Jaymie Finster, who has known Terri Horman since junior high, told The Oregonian that Horman already took one polygraph test and was scheduled for a second. Finster said Horman is "tired and frustrated with the intensity of the questioning she's been getting," and that Horman and her husband, Kaine Horman, are both exhausted as the investigation continues into a third week. The Multnomah County Sheriff's Office declined to confirm the friend's claim and won't say who has or has not been given a lie-detector test. It's been reported that Kyron attended the school's science fair that day with his stepmother, who says she last saw him walking down the hallway in the direction of his classroom around 8:45 a.m. At approximately 3:45 p.m., Terri Horman called 911, after Kyron did not return home on his school bus. Police have been tight-lipped about the criminal investigation, but have been searching on Sauvie Island, 10 miles northwest of downtown Portland. Exactly two weeks since the boy disappeared, police have interviewed hundreds of people, but so far there's been no arrest and no sign of the boy. "We can't release specific information about the investigation because we can't compromise it," Multnomah County sheriff's spokeswoman Lt. Mary Lindstrand told CBS affiliate KOIN. "We will not compromise the investigation." Anyone with information on the whereabouts of Kyron Horman is asked to call the Multnomah County Sheriff's tip line at 503-261-2847. http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-20008276-504083.html Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 21, 2010, 06:50:59 PM WTH?? Is this another fine example of sloppy reporting?? Or breaking news? ~~~~ Missing: Kyron Horman – Step Mother Terri Horman a Suspect in Case of Missing Oregon Boy By Alan Harten on June 21, 2010 http://apexnewsnetwork.com/23208/missing-kyron-horman-step-mother-terri-horman-a-suspect-in-case-of-missing-oregon-boy/ (http://apexnewsnetwork.com/23208/missing-kyron-horman-step-mother-terri-horman-a-suspect-in-case-of-missing-oregon-boy/) It has been 16 days since seven year old Kyron Horman disappeared without a trace. It now seems that officers who have been searching for him have abandoned that search and are now following a new lead. They are now turning their attentions little closer to home, in the shape of the boy’s stepmother, Terri Horman. They are asking the public to assist them in helping to paint a picture of Horman’s whereabouts on the day that the seven-year-old went missing. It is already clear that she was the last person to see the boy before he disappeared; she claims that she walked with Kyron all the way to his class that fateful morning. But so far police have not been able to find a single witness to backup this claim, and are now searching for a definitive answer as to whether this is true or not. ~~~ And.... in the last paragraph.. "she claims that she walked with Kyron all the way to his class that fateful morning." well.. she said the last time she saw him, he was walking 'toward' his classroom. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: doubledecker on June 21, 2010, 07:02:42 PM I'll post a few quick genealogy reports... not complete but I am really busy, but there is enough to give someone info to go from there, and when I get time I will add to it.
because there are so many marriages and kids shared and adoptions etc, this is going to have to be broken up in PARTS for each set of households at different points in time. Give me a little bit and I will get it posted over in the who is who. I also would like to say, I am now really leaning toward either the step mom did this or she knows who did and is helping them to cover it up. So I am going to be focusing on WHERE IS KYRON now, rather than doing much research on other people... but if there is someone you need looked up, let me know, and I will try to get to it. Otherwise I'll be researching WHERE kyron might be located. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Wyks on June 21, 2010, 07:06:34 PM She sure did, and I won't be surprised at all if she is a suspect. I hear ya Rosie! Seems to me the media has a responsibility to the public NOT to publish an article with a headline like that, when LE themselves haven't even said anything yet. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Itaryl Moosee on June 21, 2010, 07:15:03 PM I read above about a new area being searched, any news on that?
About the letter Desiree wrote, it's heartfelt and makes me sad to just read it. The comments people write sometimes seem so cold and callous. People forget that she allowed Kaine to have custody of Kyron when she had her kidney disease and she had to go to Canada to get treatments. When she came back, she let Kyron stay with him and Terri. I'm sure she thought it was best for him, and she still had visitations. It is not that he was taken from her for some odd reason. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tamikosmom on June 21, 2010, 07:37:43 PM Missing 7-year-old’s mom shares letter to him
Kyron Horman’s mother apologizes for not being ‘there to protect you’ TODAY updated 5:08 a.m. PT, Mon., June 21, 2010 As police and the FBI continue to search for Kyron Horman, a 7-year-old boy who disappeared from Skyline Elementary School in Portland, Ore., on June 4, the boy’s biological mother, Desiree Young, shared exclusively with NBC News the following letter to her son: Dear Kyron, I am so soooooo sorry that this has happened. I am sorry that I was not there to protect you. I will never be able to forgive myself for being so many hours away when you needed me the most. I pray that you come back to me because I am afraid that I can’t live without you. I miss you every second of every day. I would give my life for yours, I just want you back safe. You must come back to us. We have so many things that we have planned this summer that you are going to love. Quinn loves you so much and wants you home too. All of the family is here and wants you to know just how much they miss you. Mayson is terribly sad without his best friend to play with and wants you home soon. When you come home I will show you all of the things that everyone did for you, just to find you. There are literally hundreds of thousands of people that don’t know you and yet they pray for you every night. They know how much I miss you and need you and they just want to bring you home to me. There are so many wonderful people working on this case and they are going to find you soon. I would give anything to run my fingers through your short hair again. I miss having you to hug anytime I want. Nighttime is always hard for me. I miss you so much and want you back here so that I can protect you from all of the horrible things in this world. I just can’t believe that you aren’t still with us. Your life has been really great and I know that it is [not] done yet. A long time ago you saved my life and now I am going to do the same for you. Our lives will never be the same after this. I love you very much! Momma (Desiree Young) http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/37820864/ns/today-today_people/#ixzz0rX9ICU4r Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: seahorse on June 21, 2010, 07:43:00 PM I read above about a new area being searched, any news on that? About the letter Desiree wrote, it's heartfelt and makes me sad to just read it. The comments people write sometimes seem so cold and callous. People forget that she allowed Kaine to have custody of Kyron when she had her kidney disease and she had to go to Canada to get treatments. When she came back, she let Kyron stay with him and Terri. I'm sure she thought it was best for him, and she still had visitations. It is not that he was taken from her for some odd reason. Cartfly, I haven't heard any news yet on searches. A poster '"stinger139" mentions something new to me, he did not mention what day. June 21, 2010 at 2:13PM Stinger139 comment: Some business along the route that his step mom took, must have picked up her pickup passing. Maybe from one of the films they might be able to identify whether Kyron was inside the vehicle on the way to school or as she left. It would seem he left with a known acquaintance. I'm no detective, but it makes sense at his age if some stranger grabbed him in the hallway, his screams would have been heard. Not sure why she had to take more than one lie detector test. I understand that its almost impossible to cheat one. They ask too many round about questions to get to the main ones they really want to ask. If your lying, you will get caught. Anyway I hope the step mom is proven innocent in this case. I can't imagine any other crime more horrible than a parent taking the life of their child. http://www.oregonlive.com/news/index.ssf/2010/06/parents_others_from_community/2382/comments-3.html Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 21, 2010, 08:04:30 PM She sure did, and I won't be surprised at all if she is a suspect. I hear ya Rosie! Seems to me the media has a responsibility to the public NOT to publish an article with a headline like that, when LE themselves haven't even said anything yet. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: seahorse on June 21, 2010, 08:05:24 PM Some of these are my opinions along with gleaning...
Did SM made an "appearance" at the Science Fair without KH? Did she drop off his coat and Backback on his desk? Was the photo taken on "June 3" (facebook) before it was changed? IDK. Where do I get ideas? http://www.oregonlive.com/news/index.ssf/2010/06/parents_others_from_community/2382/comments-3.html Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 21, 2010, 08:24:27 PM Some of these are my opinions along with gleaning... I wondered if anyone saw Kyron put his coat and backpack on his desk that morning? It had to get there somehow. I really am wondering if the pic was taken on the 3rd, not the 4th.Did SM made an "appearance" at the Science Fair without KH? Did she drop off his coat and Backback on his desk? Was the photo taken on "June 3" (facebook) before it was changed? IDK. Where do I get ideas? http://www.oregonlive.com/news/index.ssf/2010/06/parents_others_from_community/2382/comments-3.html Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: cartfly on June 21, 2010, 09:07:39 PM I'll post a few quick genealogy reports... not complete but I am really busy, but there is enough to give someone info to go from there, and when I get time I will add to it. Thanks DoubleD for the genealogy reports.The family tree is really nice!because there are so many marriages and kids shared and adoptions etc, this is going to have to be broken up in PARTS for each set of households at different points in time. Give me a little bit and I will get it posted over in the who is who. I also would like to say, I am now really leaning toward either the step mom did this or she knows who did and is helping them to cover it up. So I am going to be focusing on WHERE IS KYRON now, rather than doing much research on other people... but if there is someone you need looked up, let me know, and I will try to get to it. Otherwise I'll be researching WHERE kyron might be located. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: seahorse on June 21, 2010, 09:14:45 PM Some of these are my opinions along with gleaning... I wondered if anyone saw Kyron put his coat and backpack on his desk that morning? It had to get there somehow. I really am wondering if the pic was taken on the 3rd, not the 4th.Did SM made an "appearance" at the Science Fair without KH? Did she drop off his coat and Backback on his desk? Was the photo taken on "June 3" (facebook) before it was changed? IDK. Where do I get ideas? http://www.oregonlive.com/news/index.ssf/2010/06/parents_others_from_community/2382/comments-3.html NoRose, You and everyone else is wondering the same thing. I really question if she was there, but according to a poster, three teachers "thought" they saw SM leave with KH. Last lifted comment's... aibohphobia (poster) 46p · 23 hours ago Regarding a possible motive...could there be an insurance policy on Kyron? For some that could be a motive if they stood to benefit. Let's hope not in this case. http://www.katu.com/news/local/96732144.html#idc-cover iiiMary (Poster) 1 day ago 'Help Find My Child' has a comment from the school's official spokesperson, that more than one teacher thought they saw Kyron and his step mom leave together that morning. They use the word "thought". IDK who is (HFMC poster) Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: cartfly on June 21, 2010, 09:18:30 PM Some of these are my opinions along with gleaning... I wondered if anyone saw Kyron put his coat and backpack on his desk that morning? It had to get there somehow. I really am wondering if the pic was taken on the 3rd, not the 4th.Did SM made an "appearance" at the Science Fair without KH? Did she drop off his coat and Backback on his desk? Was the photo taken on "June 3" (facebook) before it was changed? IDK. Where do I get ideas? http://www.oregonlive.com/news/index.ssf/2010/06/parents_others_from_community/2382/comments-3.html I wish the teacher would just come out and make a public statement about whether she saw Terri with Kyron that morning or not. Did LE ever come out and make that statement about Kyron being at school? Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: seahorse on June 21, 2010, 09:25:37 PM I'll post a few quick genealogy reports... not complete but I am really busy, but there is enough to give someone info to go from there, and when I get time I will add to it. Thanks DoubleD for the genealogy reports.The family tree is really nice!because there are so many marriages and kids shared and adoptions etc, this is going to have to be broken up in PARTS for each set of households at different points in time. Give me a little bit and I will get it posted over in the who is who. I also would like to say, I am now really leaning toward either the step mom did this or she knows who did and is helping them to cover it up. So I am going to be focusing on WHERE IS KYRON now, rather than doing much research on other people... but if there is someone you need looked up, let me know, and I will try to get to it. Otherwise I'll be researching WHERE kyron might be located. Beautiful family tree, clear and crisp, very nice. DoubleD you are so very kind and generous with your time. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: cookie on June 21, 2010, 09:27:25 PM God bless Kyron...may he be found soon...
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: cartfly on June 21, 2010, 09:29:16 PM Dads facebook: http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1512276158 Not sure if noticed yet but Terri's facebook link says page does not exist any longer. Did she delete her account? Also Dad's facebook has a cute profile pic of him and Kyron with a snowman. Since we can not post pics I can not bring it over, or is there another way to post pictures?(http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1512276158) StepMom's facebook: http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1512276158#!/terri.horman (http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1512276158#!/terri.horman) Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: seahorse on June 21, 2010, 09:32:04 PM Some of these are my opinions along with gleaning... I wondered if anyone saw Kyron put his coat and backpack on his desk that morning? It had to get there somehow. I really am wondering if the pic was taken on the 3rd, not the 4th.Did SM made an "appearance" at the Science Fair without KH? Did she drop off his coat and Backback on his desk? Was the photo taken on "June 3" (facebook) before it was changed? IDK. Where do I get ideas? http://www.oregonlive.com/news/index.ssf/2010/06/parents_others_from_community/2382/comments-3.html I wish the teacher would just come out and make a public statement about whether she saw Terri with Kyron that morning or not. Did LE ever come out and make that statement about Kyron being at school? Cartfly, The silence must be keeping SM in suspense, do you think? She must be getting squirrelly by now:) L.E. must have asked the Teachers to remain quite. I will keep lurking around the Oregon message boards... Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: cartfly on June 21, 2010, 09:33:10 PM Some of these are my opinions along with gleaning... I wondered if anyone saw Kyron put his coat and backpack on his desk that morning? It had to get there somehow. I really am wondering if the pic was taken on the 3rd, not the 4th.Did SM made an "appearance" at the Science Fair without KH? Did she drop off his coat and Backback on his desk? Was the photo taken on "June 3" (facebook) before it was changed? IDK. Where do I get ideas? http://www.oregonlive.com/news/index.ssf/2010/06/parents_others_from_community/2382/comments-3.html I wish the teacher would just come out and make a public statement about whether she saw Terri with Kyron that morning or not. Did LE ever come out and make that statement about Kyron being at school? Regarding when the pics were taken: Early on when Terri's facebook was open to the public, I did see 6/4 on the photo at the time and she posted them if I remember right around 1 o'clock according to facebook time on 6/4. I am on Central standard time so I guess she posted it at 3 if it is according to the viewers time zone. This should read "I guess she posted it at 11 AM" (not at 3 pm) Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: seahorse on June 21, 2010, 09:36:52 PM Dads facebook: http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1512276158 Not sure if noticed yet but Terri's facebook link says page does not exist any longer. Did she delete her account? Also Dad's facebook has a cute profile pic of him and Kyron with a snowman. Since we can not post pics I can not bring it over, or is there another way to post pictures?(http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1512276158) StepMom's facebook: http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1512276158#!/terri.horman (http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1512276158#!/terri.horman) I am also interested, Cartfly, I have two photos saved of Kyron, I would like to post too, if I may. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: seahorse on June 21, 2010, 09:46:03 PM These are comment's I lifted from (I believe) the same site as the other very recent comments.
tadj (poster) · 1 day ago I read on oregon live that she dropped him off at school at 830 and place a call at 847am from Sauvie's island on her cell. ME (that would be about right, Sauvie Island is what ten miles from the school?) Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: cartfly on June 21, 2010, 09:49:53 PM Some of these are my opinions along with gleaning... I wondered if anyone saw Kyron put his coat and backpack on his desk that morning? It had to get there somehow. I really am wondering if the pic was taken on the 3rd, not the 4th.Did SM made an "appearance" at the Science Fair without KH? Did she drop off his coat and Backback on his desk? Was the photo taken on "June 3" (facebook) before it was changed? IDK. Where do I get ideas? http://www.oregonlive.com/news/index.ssf/2010/06/parents_others_from_community/2382/comments-3.html I wish the teacher would just come out and make a public statement about whether she saw Terri with Kyron that morning or not. Did LE ever come out and make that statement about Kyron being at school? Cartfly, The silence must be keeping SM in suspense, do you think? She must be getting squirrelly by now:) L.E. must have asked the Teachers to remain quite. I will keep lurking around the Oregon message boards... If it is not her, the alternative perp scares me even more with all the sex offenders and cult activity in that area. One of the sex offenders I brought over earlier whom LE has been looking for is still being sought and I read yesterday his vehicle was found in Missouri. See "Paul Evans Winklebleck" my post number 14 in this thread. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: cartfly on June 21, 2010, 10:04:33 PM These are comment's I lifted from (I believe) the same site as the other very recent comments. That sounds about right because the Hormans house is 2.9 miles from the school and would take about 6 minutes travel time just to their house and you would travel north from their house to get to the island. You can see what I am talking about on page one and two or three there are links to bing maps and google maps of the area.tadj (poster) · 1 day ago I read on oregon live that she dropped him off at school at 830 and place a call at 847am from Sauvie's island on her cell. ME (that would be about right, Sauvie Island is what ten miles from the school?) Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: bjinsco on June 21, 2010, 10:06:18 PM TMH FB pics - http://www.facebook.com/album.php?id...=1489640002015 Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Sieko on June 21, 2010, 10:19:28 PM Try this one for TMH's FB pics
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=1365626&id=1264414625&fbid=1489640002015#!/photo.php?pid=1365625&id=1264414625&fbid=1489639882012 Hmmm, not sure if that one will work either. Try cutting and pasting the whole link. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: cartfly on June 21, 2010, 10:21:18 PM Did anyone else notice how the neighbor, Jim Kelley first reported that he and a neighbor had seen a truck, then he states car, then changes that to "vehicle" in his telling of the alleged sightings? Also if this is Jim Kelley's address ( 18212 NW 6th Ave), it is North of the Horman's home(off of NW Corneilius on the right). They both live off of NW Corneilius (sp?) It would only be a few minutes between the Horman's and Kelley's where the white truck was seen. I am going to try to confirm that this is indeed the road he is living on. BBLI also found it odd that according to Jim Kelley's statements that both he and this neighbor allegedly both saw the exact same thing on both occasions??? Even at 2 something am. jmvho Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: cartfly on June 21, 2010, 10:27:33 PM Try this one for TMH's FB pics WOW!!! Thanks Bjinsko and Seiko! For some reason my link from page one doesn't work anymore???? (insert monkey scratching head)http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=1365626&id=1264414625&fbid=1489640002015#!/photo.php?pid=1365625&id=1264414625&fbid=1489639882012 Hmmm, not sure if that one will work either. Try cutting and pasting the whole link. Did anyone screen shot the facebook or know where to find a cache of it before she made it private? Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: bjinsco on June 21, 2010, 10:28:40 PM Try this one for TMH's FB pics http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=1365626&id=1264414625&fbid=1489640002015#!/photo.php?pid=1365625&id=1264414625&fbid=1489639882012 Hmmm, not sure if that one will work either. Try cutting and pasting the whole link. Have to sign in the your FB account for links to work. Thanks Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: mymonkey on June 21, 2010, 10:40:49 PM Try this one for TMH's FB pics http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=1365626&id=1264414625&fbid=1489640002015#!/photo.php?pid=1365625&id=1264414625&fbid=1489639882012 Hmmm, not sure if that one will work either. Try cutting and pasting the whole link. Have to sign in the your FB account for links to work. Thanks Thanks for the link...I noticed under most pictures of the daughter it has a little caption of what she is doing ..not much is written under Kyron's pictures about him. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Sieko on June 21, 2010, 10:48:03 PM Thanks for the link...I noticed under most pictures of the daughter it has a little caption of what she is doing ..not much is written under Kyron's pictures about him. YW. I noticed that as well. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: bjinsco on June 21, 2010, 11:00:09 PM Yet there are quite a few nice pics of Kyron on her FB. He looks well taken care of but who knows what goes on behind closed doors.
Why why why would she want to harm Kyron???? What about Kaine? What does he know? Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: cartfly on June 21, 2010, 11:10:18 PM Did anyone else notice how the neighbor, Jim Kelley first reported that he and a neighbor had seen a truck, then he states car, then changes that to "vehicle" in his telling of the alleged sightings? Also if this is Jim Kelley's address ( 18212 NW 6th Ave), it is North of the Horman's home(off of NW Corneilius on the right). They both live off of NW Corneilius (sp?) It would only be a few minutes between the Horman's and Kelley's where the white truck was seen. I am going to try to confirm that this is indeed the road he is living on. BBLI also found it odd that according to Jim Kelley's statements that both he and this neighbor allegedly both saw the exact same thing on both occasions??? Even at 2 something am. jmvho My apologies, I am obviously "confuzzled" this evening. I have another correction: Jim Kelley (6th Ave) is South of the Horman's home, not NORTH..... I think I need to go to bed.....;) Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Sieko on June 21, 2010, 11:13:01 PM WOW!!! Thanks Bjinsko and Seiko! For some reason my link from page one doesn't work anymore???? (insert monkey scratching head) Did anyone screen shot the facebook or know where to find a cache of it before she made it private? I haven't seen the rest of her FB, and couldn't find it cached. Was hoping someone else had. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Patricia Mocha Latte on June 21, 2010, 11:17:16 PM Did anyone else notice how the neighbor, Jim Kelley first reported that he and a neighbor had seen a truck, then he states car, then changes that to "vehicle" in his telling of the alleged sightings? Also if this is Jim Kelley's address ( 18212 NW 6th Ave), it is North of the Horman's home(off of NW Corneilius on the right). They both live off of NW Corneilius (sp?) It would only be a few minutes between the Horman's and Kelley's where the white truck was seen. I am going to try to confirm that this is indeed the road he is living on. BBLI also found it odd that according to Jim Kelley's statements that both he and this neighbor allegedly both saw the exact same thing on both occasions??? Even at 2 something am. jmvho I saw a picture of a home that appeared to be off of a main road the driveway might have been dirt? The yard was unkept with dense brush on either side. I believe I saw either a broken or upside down hot wheels trike that may have been either yellow and orange or green and orange in color on the right hand side. I also believe there may have been a work shed in the back also on the right hand side behind the home. Has anyone else seen this picture anywhere? I am wondering if this is the Kelley man's home or? Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Sieko on June 21, 2010, 11:35:09 PM I don't recall seeing the pic you describe, but I think the Kelley home is here...or one of them around this area. I searched his name on 411.com and came up with this address.
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=18212+NW+Sixth+Ave,+Portland,+OR,+United+States&sll=45.587679,-122.749329&sspn=0.011653,0.027874&g=8011+N+Ivanhoe+St,+Portland,+OR,+United+States&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=18212+NW+6th+Ave,+Portland,+Multnomah,+Oregon+97231&ll=45.63084,-122.864251&spn=0.001463,0.003484&t=h&z=19 Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: bjinsco on June 21, 2010, 11:41:53 PM I don't recall seeing the pic you describe, but I think the Kelley home is here...or one of them around this area. I searched his name on 411.com and came up with this address. http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=18212+NW+Sixth+Ave,+Portland,+OR,+United+States&sll=45.587679,-122.749329&sspn=0.011653,0.027874&g=8011+N+Ivanhoe+St,+Portland,+OR,+United+States&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=18212+NW+6th+Ave,+Portland,+Multnomah,+Oregon+97231&ll=45.63084,-122.864251&spn=0.001463,0.003484&t=h&z=19 That's a spooky looking place. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tamikosmom on June 21, 2010, 11:50:24 PM WITNESSES Details emerge about the day Kyron Horman turned up missing Published: Saturday, June 05, 2010, 11:21 PM Updated: Friday, June 18, 2010, 5:02 PM They arrived sometime after the school opened about 8 a.m., went to his classroom, dropped off his coat and backpack and he showed his stepmother his exhibit, "The Red-Eyed Tree Frog." ... Although the school usually opens at 8:35 a.m. and the final bell rings 10 minutes later, the school opened as early as 8 Friday for the science fair, said Matt Shelby, spokesman for Portland Public Schools. Other students and parents showed up early as well to check out the fair, and Terri and Kyron saw people they knew while looking at the exhibits, Carol Moulton said. Terri often volunteers at the school, working closely with Kyron's teacher, Kristina Porter. Shelby said that Porter saw Kyron in her classroom with his stepmom before 8:45 a.m. and another instructor reported seeing him in another classroom at some point. At 8:45 a.m. when the bell rang, Terri walked her stepson down the hall close to his class http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/details_emerge_about_the_day_k.html BUMPED Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: bjinsco on June 22, 2010, 12:02:39 AM WITNESSES Details emerge about the day Kyron Horman turned up missing Published: Saturday, June 05, 2010, 11:21 PM Updated: Friday, June 18, 2010, 5:02 PM They arrived sometime after the school opened about 8 a.m., went to his classroom, dropped off his coat and backpack and he showed his stepmother his exhibit, "The Red-Eyed Tree Frog." ... Although the school usually opens at 8:35 a.m. and the final bell rings 10 minutes later, the school opened as early as 8 Friday for the science fair, said Matt Shelby, spokesman for Portland Public Schools. Other students and parents showed up early as well to check out the fair, and Terri and Kyron saw people they knew while looking at the exhibits, Carol Moulton said. Terri often volunteers at the school, working closely with Kyron's teacher, Kristina Porter. Shelby said that Porter saw Kyron in her classroom with his stepmom before 8:45 a.m. and another instructor reported seeing him in another classroom at some point. At 8:45 a.m. when the bell rang, Terri walked her stepson down the hall close to his class http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/details_emerge_about_the_day_k.html BUMPED See, if the final bell rang at 8:45 and she walked him down the hall close to his class, why wouldn't she take a few more steps and make sure he gets safely in his classroom? Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Sieko on June 22, 2010, 12:08:25 AM WITNESSES Details emerge about the day Kyron Horman turned up missing Published: Saturday, June 05, 2010, 11:21 PM Updated: Friday, June 18, 2010, 5:02 PM They arrived sometime after the school opened about 8 a.m., went to his classroom, dropped off his coat and backpack and he showed his stepmother his exhibit, "The Red-Eyed Tree Frog." ... Although the school usually opens at 8:35 a.m. and the final bell rings 10 minutes later, the school opened as early as 8 Friday for the science fair, said Matt Shelby, spokesman for Portland Public Schools. Other students and parents showed up early as well to check out the fair, and Terri and Kyron saw people they knew while looking at the exhibits, Carol Moulton said. Terri often volunteers at the school, working closely with Kyron's teacher, Kristina Porter. Shelby said that Porter saw Kyron in her classroom with his stepmom before 8:45 a.m. and another instructor reported seeing him in another classroom at some point. At 8:45 a.m. when the bell rang, Terri walked her stepson down the hall close to his class http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/details_emerge_about_the_day_k.html BUMPED Right, it's odd. Then LE comes out and says Terri was the last person to see Kyron, at the same time releasing this: http://www.kxl.com/image/kxl/UserFiles/061410_SchoolQuestionnaireadobe_hm.pdf Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Sieko on June 22, 2010, 12:15:54 AM Right, it's odd. Then LE comes out and says Terri was the last person to see Kyron, at the same time releasing this: http://www.kxl.com/image/kxl/UserFiles/061410_SchoolQuestionnaireadobe_hm.pdf "Last known person" is what was said, just to be clear. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: cartfly on June 22, 2010, 01:24:02 AM Not sure if posted yet, but there are a lot of pictures of Kyron and family I hadn't seen yet
http://www.cbsnews.com/2300-504083_162-10003676-54.html?tag=page (http://www.cbsnews.com/2300-504083_162-10003676-54.html?tag=page) Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: cartfly on June 22, 2010, 01:52:40 AM Try this one for TMH's FB pics http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=1365626&id=1264414625&fbid=1489640002015#!/photo.php?pid=1365625&id=1264414625&fbid=1489639882012 Hmmm, not sure if that one will work either. Try cutting and pasting the whole link. Anyone notice in Kyron's picture with his project on the top left (torwards front of class room) there is a project set up with a green background. Now look at photo #32 on the facebook of a classmate with his project. (It is also on the green eyed tree frog) If this was taken that morning this would be another child who could vouch for Kyron and SM, right? I just never noticed this picture before of this other child. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: cartfly on June 22, 2010, 02:00:41 AM Try this one for TMH's FB pics http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=1365626&id=1264414625&fbid=1489640002015#!/photo.php?pid=1365625&id=1264414625&fbid=1489639882012 Hmmm, not sure if that one will work either. Try cutting and pasting the whole link. Anyone notice in Kyron's picture with his project on the top left (torwards front of class room) there is a project set up with a green background. Now look at photo #32 on the facebook of a classmate with his project. (It is also on the green eyed tree frog) If this was taken that morning this would be another child who could vouch for Kyron and SM, right? I just never noticed this picture before of this other child. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Patricia Mocha Latte on June 22, 2010, 02:07:55 AM This might be useful?
http://www.portlandonline.com/police/apps/incidents_map.cfm Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Wyks on June 22, 2010, 02:16:33 AM Kyron Horman Update: Interview with Sheriff’s office; urges people to return questionnaires June 21, 3:03 PM During a telephone interview with Examiner.com, Multnomah County Sheriff’s office spokeswoman, Lt. Mary Lindstrand said she could not discuss details of the investigation into the June 4 disappearance of 7-year-old Kyron Horman. However, she was able to answer a few questions. Below is a narrative of the interview: Question: Are online rumors that the focus of the investigation has turned on Kyron Horman’s stepmother true? Lt. Lindstrand: I cannot comment because I cannot discuss the investigation. Question: Were there inconsistencies regarding where Kyron’s stepmother, Terri Moulton Horman, went the day he disappeared and her cell phone pings? Lt. Lindstrand: I cannot comment. Question: Can you confirm that investigators have searched on Sauvie Island? Lt. Lindstrand: I cannot comment. Question: Is it true that Terri took a second polygraph test on Saturday? Lt. Lindstrand: I cannot comment. Question: Is Kyron’s uncle’s arrest for child molestation in Seattle, Wash., part of this investigation? Lt. Lindstrand: Yes, I can say that it is part of the investigation. Question: Have you received all of the questionnaires back? How many were distributed? Lt. Lindstrand: 350 questionnaires were distributed. We have not received them all back yet and it is imperative we get them back as soon as possible to assist in moving forward with the investigation. I would urge people to return them to us via email. They can answer the questions and send their responses to skyline.flyer@mcso.us. They can also hand-deliver them to the Sheriff’s office located at 12240 NE Glisan in Portland. People can also mail them in but email or hand-delivery is preferred. Question: Have police named a person of interest or suspect in the case? Lt. Lindstrand: I am not in a position to discuss any persons of interest or suspects at this time. Question: What would you say to online websleuthers and bloggers? Lt. Lindstrand: I would tell them to please, not be hurtful. Hurtful comments do not help in any way. Question: Did Kyron’s teacher believe he would be absent the day he went missing? Lt. Lindstrand: I cannot comment. Question: Can you tell me why police have said there is no danger to the community when a child vanished two weeks ago? Lt. Lindstrand: Unfortunately, I cannot comment. Question: What events occurred to label the case a criminal case? Lt. Lindstrand: It was the natural progression of the case. Question: How many officers are still working on the case? Lt. Lindstrand: I went to a briefing this morning. I didn’t count how many people were there, but there was a roomful of detectives and investigators in the room. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: cartfly on June 22, 2010, 02:16:53 AM This might be useful? Great find! Thank you.http://www.portlandonline.com/police/apps/incidents_map.cfm Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Wyks on June 22, 2010, 02:17:47 AM forgot link to above article
http://www.examiner.com/x-34328-Seattle-Headlines-Examiner~y2010m6d21-Kyron-Horman-Interview-with-Sheriffs-office-with-update (http://www.examiner.com/x-34328-Seattle-Headlines-Examiner~y2010m6d21-Kyron-Horman-Interview-with-Sheriffs-office-with-update) Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: seahorse on June 22, 2010, 07:33:36 AM WITNESSES Details emerge about the day Kyron Horman turned up missing Published: Saturday, June 05, 2010, 11:21 PM Updated: Friday, June 18, 2010, 5:02 PM They arrived sometime after the school opened about 8 a.m., went to his classroom, dropped off his coat and backpack and he showed his stepmother his exhibit, "The Red-Eyed Tree Frog." ... Although the school usually opens at 8:35 a.m. and the final bell rings 10 minutes later, the school opened as early as 8 Friday for the science fair, said Matt Shelby, spokesman for Portland Public Schools. Other students and parents showed up early as well to check out the fair, and Terri and Kyron saw people they knew while looking at the exhibits, Carol Moulton said. Terri often volunteers at the school, working closely with Kyron's teacher, Kristina Porter. Shelby said that Porter saw Kyron in her classroom with his stepmom before 8:45 a.m. and another instructor reported seeing him in another classroom at some point. At 8:45 a.m. when the bell rang, Terri walked her stepson down the hall close to his class http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/details_emerge_about_the_day_k.html BUMPED Goodmorning Tamikosmom & Monkey's, Thank-you Tamiko for clearing that up she was really there. Did the Teachers offer coffee & donuts to the parents on the morning of the Science Fair? Did Kyron eat a donut or cookie without permission from SM? Did she take him to the car to reprimand him? Is that why his coat & backpack were still in school? Did she freak out over a simple snack he ate? She didn’t do it for the insurance policy, she didn’t hate the kid, it was not premeditated, just she could have freaked-out over a stupid cookie or donut he wasn’t suppose to have? JMO Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: seahorse on June 22, 2010, 07:41:15 AM This might be useful? http://www.portlandonline.com/police/apps/incidents_map.cfm Thank-you Patricia, very clever site. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: seahorse on June 22, 2010, 07:45:33 AM Kyron Horman Update: Interview with Sheriff’s office; urges people to return questionnaires June 21, 3:03 PM During a telephone interview with Examiner.com, Multnomah County Sheriff’s office spokeswoman, Lt. Mary Lindstrand said she could not discuss details of the investigation into the June 4 disappearance of 7-year-old Kyron Horman. However, she was able to answer a few questions. Below is a narrative of the interview: Question: Are online rumors that the focus of the investigation has turned on Kyron Horman’s stepmother true? Lt. Lindstrand: I cannot comment because I cannot discuss the investigation. Question: Were there inconsistencies regarding where Kyron’s stepmother, Terri Moulton Horman, went the day he disappeared and her cell phone pings? Lt. Lindstrand: I cannot comment. Question: Can you confirm that investigators have searched on Sauvie Island? Lt. Lindstrand: I cannot comment. Question: Is it true that Terri took a second polygraph test on Saturday? Lt. Lindstrand: I cannot comment. Question: Is Kyron’s uncle’s arrest for child molestation in Seattle, Wash., part of this investigation? Lt. Lindstrand: Yes, I can say that it is part of the investigation. Question: Have you received all of the questionnaires back? How many were distributed? Lt. Lindstrand: 350 questionnaires were distributed. We have not received them all back yet and it is imperative we get them back as soon as possible to assist in moving forward with the investigation. I would urge people to return them to us via email. They can answer the questions and send their responses to skyline.flyer@mcso.us. They can also hand-deliver them to the Sheriff’s office located at 12240 NE Glisan in Portland. People can also mail them in but email or hand-delivery is preferred. Question: Have police named a person of interest or suspect in the case? Lt. Lindstrand: I am not in a position to discuss any persons of interest or suspects at this time. Question: What would you say to online websleuthers and bloggers? Lt. Lindstrand: I would tell them to please, not be hurtful. Hurtful comments do not help in any way. Question: Did Kyron’s teacher believe he would be absent the day he went missing? Lt. Lindstrand: I cannot comment. Question: Can you tell me why police have said there is no danger to the community when a child vanished two weeks ago? Lt. Lindstrand: Unfortunately, I cannot comment. Question: What events occurred to label the case a criminal case? Lt. Lindstrand: It was the natural progression of the case. Question: How many officers are still working on the case? Lt. Lindstrand: I went to a briefing this morning. I didn’t count how many people were there, but there was a roomful of detectives and investigators in the room. Thank-you, Wyks, a roomful of detectives and investigators sounds good to me. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: seahorse on June 22, 2010, 07:54:15 AM Try this one for TMH's FB pics http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=1365626&id=1264414625&fbid=1489640002015#!/photo.php?pid=1365625&id=1264414625&fbid=1489639882012 Hmmm, not sure if that one will work either. Try cutting and pasting the whole link. Anyone notice in Kyron's picture with his project on the top left (torwards front of class room) there is a project set up with a green background. Now look at photo #32 on the facebook of a classmate with his project. (It is also on the green eyed tree frog) If this was taken that morning this would be another child who could vouch for Kyron and SM, right? I just never noticed this picture before of this other child. Cartfly, hymm.. he could vouch for Kyron, if SM took the photo of the neighboring tree frog displayer. I feel sorry for the child's display, Kyron's display looks so professional and this cute kid has an empty display. This is the first time I visited SM facebook page. Thank-you, good catch. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: theboyzmom on June 22, 2010, 08:48:51 AM Try this one for TMH's FB pics http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=1365626&id=1264414625&fbid=1489640002015#!/photo.php?pid=1365625&id=1264414625&fbid=1489639882012 Hmmm, not sure if that one will work either. Try cutting and pasting the whole link. Anyone notice in Kyron's picture with his project on the top left (torwards front of class room) there is a project set up with a green background. Now look at photo #32 on the facebook of a classmate with his project. (It is also on the green eyed tree frog) If this was taken that morning this would be another child who could vouch for Kyron and SM, right? I just never noticed this picture before of this other child. Cartfly, hymm.. he could vouch for Kyron, if SM took the photo of the neighboring tree frog displayer. I feel sorry for the child's display, Kyron's display looks so professional and this cute kid has an empty display. This is the first time I visited SM facebook page. Thank-you, good catch. Strange to me that the photos of Kyron seem to have a tag for Desiree young - who is she and why do they have that tag in them? Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: theboyzmom on June 22, 2010, 08:50:30 AM Try this one for TMH's FB pics http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=1365626&id=1264414625&fbid=1489640002015#!/photo.php?pid=1365625&id=1264414625&fbid=1489639882012 Hmmm, not sure if that one will work either. Try cutting and pasting the whole link. Anyone notice in Kyron's picture with his project on the top left (torwards front of class room) there is a project set up with a green background. Now look at photo #32 on the facebook of a classmate with his project. (It is also on the green eyed tree frog) If this was taken that morning this would be another child who could vouch for Kyron and SM, right? I just never noticed this picture before of this other child. Cartfly, hymm.. he could vouch for Kyron, if SM took the photo of the neighboring tree frog displayer. I feel sorry for the child's display, Kyron's display looks so professional and this cute kid has an empty display. This is the first time I visited SM facebook page. Thank-you, good catch. Strange to me that the photos of Kyron seem to have a tag for Desiree young - who is she and why do they have that tag in them? Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: seahorse on June 22, 2010, 09:54:08 AM Some of these are my opinions along with gleaning... I wondered if anyone saw Kyron put his coat and backpack on his desk that morning? It had to get there somehow. I really am wondering if the pic was taken on the 3rd, not the 4th.Did SM made an "appearance" at the Science Fair without KH? Did she drop off his coat and Backback on his desk? Was the photo taken on "June 3" (facebook) before it was changed? IDK. Where do I get ideas? http://www.oregonlive.com/news/index.ssf/2010/06/parents_others_from_community/2382/comments-3.html I wish the teacher would just come out and make a public statement about whether she saw Terri with Kyron that morning or not. Did LE ever come out and make that statement about Kyron being at school? Cartfly, The silence must be keeping SM in suspense, do you think? She must be getting squirrelly by now:) L.E. must have asked the Teachers to remain quite. I will keep lurking around the Oregon message boards... If it is not her, the alternative perp scares me even more with all the sex offenders and cult activity in that area. One of the sex offenders I brought over earlier whom LE has been looking for is still being sought and I read yesterday his vehicle was found in Missouri. See "Paul Evans Winklebleck" my post number 14 in this thread. http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8168.0 Klaas gave us permission to post photos on Kyron Horman's "Who's Who" site. Why would anyone want to be related to a Squirrel? (LOL) Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Wyks on June 22, 2010, 10:16:49 AM Bumped ~~ Telephone interview with Examiner.com, Multnomah County Sheriff’s office spokeswoman, Lt. Mary Lindstrand Question: Is Kyron’s uncle’s arrest for child molestation in Seattle, Wash., part of this investigation? Lt. Lindstrand: Yes, I can say that it is part of the investigation. http://www.examiner.com/x-34328-Seattle-Headlines-Examiner~y2010m6d21-Kyron-Horman-Interview-with-Sheriffs-office-with-update (http://www.examiner.com/x-34328-Seattle-Headlines-Examiner~y2010m6d21-Kyron-Horman-Interview-with-Sheriffs-office-with-update) Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Wyks on June 22, 2010, 10:19:34 AM Thank-you, Wyks, a roomful of detectives and investigators sounds good to me. You're welcome! Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 22, 2010, 10:42:34 AM Bumped ~~ Telephone interview with Examiner.com, Multnomah County Sheriff’s office spokeswoman, Lt. Mary Lindstrand Question: Is Kyron’s uncle’s arrest for child molestation in Seattle, Wash., part of this investigation? Lt. Lindstrand: Yes, I can say that it is part of the investigation. http://www.examiner.com/x-34328-Seattle-Headlines-Examiner~y2010m6d21-Kyron-Horman-Interview-with-Sheriffs-office-with-update (http://www.examiner.com/x-34328-Seattle-Headlines-Examiner~y2010m6d21-Kyron-Horman-Interview-with-Sheriffs-office-with-update) Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: cartfly on June 22, 2010, 10:59:18 AM Bumped ~~ Telephone interview with Examiner.com, Multnomah County Sheriff’s office spokeswoman, Lt. Mary Lindstrand Question: Is Kyron’s uncle’s arrest for child molestation in Seattle, Wash., part of this investigation? Lt. Lindstrand: Yes, I can say that it is part of the investigation. http://www.examiner.com/x-34328-Seattle-Headlines-Examiner~y2010m6d21-Kyron-Horman-Interview-with-Sheriffs-office-with-update (http://www.examiner.com/x-34328-Seattle-Headlines-Examiner~y2010m6d21-Kyron-Horman-Interview-with-Sheriffs-office-with-update) I am trying to read between the lines. Do you think they are saying "yes, we are investigating all avenues or do you think he may be a strong POI? I wish LE would just throw us a bone here, anything like for instance did the dogs ever pick up a scent at the school? I don't see what harm that could do but I guess they know what they are doing. I keep getting conflicted about SM. It doesn't make allot of sense for her to go to the fair with him, take him and then harm him. But then her actions on FB, lack of a plea for the child and the biggy for me was the news conference. So I am "confuzzeled" LOL Okay, climbing back on my fence now.... Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tracygirl on June 22, 2010, 11:20:59 AM Who was the uncle with and how old are they now? Jess Star and I had a brief exchange about the charges, 3rd degree molestation sounds like he was with 2 other people at least, one being under the age of 18 but older then 16 and the other minor under 16 but older then 14? The artcle said They were all in bed together so who knows who else was there and what this was all about.
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: newfie on June 22, 2010, 11:23:33 AM A recap of some statements from the beginning ( bbm )
Gina Zimmerman, president of the school PTA, dropped by the Skyline search scene Saturday morning with her 8-year-old daughter Madi, who has been a classmate of Kyron for three years. 3 years you can get to know someone pretty well in that timeframe. She said the K-8 school has about 300 students. The principal, Ben Keefer, declined to comment Saturday. Declined to comment??? Zimmerman said she arrived at the school around 8:15 a.m. Friday, as most parents and students did, to attend the end-of-year science fair. Terri Horman took a photograph of Kyron in front of his project, Zimmerman said. So she witnessed that Terri Horman was there. Zimmerman said everyone went into their classroom for the science fair and broke into parent-led groups of four or five. She wasn’t sure what group Kyron was in. but she said the last time she saw him was at 8:15, when the groups began going from class to class. “Then you were supposed to stay with your group. I don’t know what group he was in.” This time frame is confusing…. She arrived at 8:15, the person that put this sentence together in the article confuses the reader. It should state the last time she saw him was when she arrived at 8:15, and use the word before rather than when. These parent led groups, who were they and do any of them recall seeing Kyron in their group? Obviously not! So it looks like the time Kyron went missing was between 8:15 and 8:45 a.m. I wonder how many parents actually came to the fair? Zimmerman said the boy has no learning disabilities. “He’s a good kid who follows the rules,” she said. So I am taking there were no outward signs of abuse, or apparent internal problems in the family. “We’re really close to the family, “ she added, noting that Kyron has an older brother and a younger sister. “We’ve been on the phone with them all night.” Somehow I do not think the truck that was seen at 2:00 a.m. was their’s. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: cartfly on June 22, 2010, 11:26:37 AM Some of these are my opinions along with gleaning... I wondered if anyone saw Kyron put his coat and backpack on his desk that morning? It had to get there somehow. I really am wondering if the pic was taken on the 3rd, not the 4th.Did SM made an "appearance" at the Science Fair without KH? Did she drop off his coat and Backback on his desk? Was the photo taken on "June 3" (facebook) before it was changed? IDK. Where do I get ideas? http://www.oregonlive.com/news/index.ssf/2010/06/parents_others_from_community/2382/comments-3.html I wish the teacher would just come out and make a public statement about whether she saw Terri with Kyron that morning or not. Did LE ever come out and make that statement about Kyron being at school? Cartfly, The silence must be keeping SM in suspense, do you think? She must be getting squirrelly by now:) L.E. must have asked the Teachers to remain quite. I will keep lurking around the Oregon message boards... If it is not her, the alternative perp scares me even more with all the sex offenders and cult activity in that area. One of the sex offenders I brought over earlier whom LE has been looking for is still being sought and I read yesterday his vehicle was found in Missouri. See "Paul Evans Winklebleck" my post number 14 in this thread. http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8168.0 Klaas gave us permission to post photos on Kyron Horman's "Who's Who" site. Why would anyone want to be related to a Squirrel? (LOL) Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: newfie on June 22, 2010, 11:27:27 AM Try this one for TMH's FB pics http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=1365626&id=1264414625&fbid=1489640002015#!/photo.php?pid=1365625&id=1264414625&fbid=1489639882012 Hmmm, not sure if that one will work either. Try cutting and pasting the whole link. Anyone notice in Kyron's picture with his project on the top left (torwards front of class room) there is a project set up with a green background. Now look at photo #32 on the facebook of a classmate with his project. (It is also on the green eyed tree frog) If this was taken that morning this would be another child who could vouch for Kyron and SM, right? I just never noticed this picture before of this other child. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 22, 2010, 11:30:07 AM Who was the uncle with and how old are they now? Jess Star and I had a brief exchange about the charges, 3rd degree molestation sounds like he was with 2 other people at least, one being under the age of 18 but older then 16 and the other minor under 16 but older then 14? The artcle said They were all in bed together so who knows who else was there and what this was all about. Thanks, they were girls, right? At least I thought that is what I read, one perhaps a step daughter.Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 22, 2010, 11:32:15 AM Try this one for TMH's FB pics http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=1365626&id=1264414625&fbid=1489640002015#!/photo.php?pid=1365625&id=1264414625&fbid=1489639882012 Hmmm, not sure if that one will work either. Try cutting and pasting the whole link. Anyone notice in Kyron's picture with his project on the top left (torwards front of class room) there is a project set up with a green background. Now look at photo #32 on the facebook of a classmate with his project. (It is also on the green eyed tree frog) If this was taken that morning this would be another child who could vouch for Kyron and SM, right? I just never noticed this picture before of this other child. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: mediamama on June 22, 2010, 11:34:36 AM Bumped ~~ Telephone interview with Examiner.com, Multnomah County Sheriff’s office spokeswoman, Lt. Mary Lindstrand Question: Is Kyron’s uncle’s arrest for child molestation in Seattle, Wash., part of this investigation? Lt. Lindstrand: Yes, I can say that it is part of the investigation. http://www.examiner.com/x-34328-Seattle-Headlines-Examiner~y2010m6d21-Kyron-Horman-Interview-with-Sheriffs-office-with-update (http://www.examiner.com/x-34328-Seattle-Headlines-Examiner~y2010m6d21-Kyron-Horman-Interview-with-Sheriffs-office-with-update) I don't think it's a dumb question :). From what I have gleaned online, it would be highly unusual but not unheard of. To be honest, my concern with the uncle lies more along the lines of retribution and vengeance. I would be very interested in knowing who reported the molestation charges in that family and who might believe that someone deserves to pay for "getting Uncle Kristian into trouble" with LE. Think "Hand That Rocks The Cradle." Clearly, Uncle K was in the wrong and broke the law, but I wonder if someone in his life believes taking Kyron is tit-for-tat, if you will. Maybe I watch too many movies. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: cartfly on June 22, 2010, 11:37:21 AM A recap of some statements from the beginning ( bbm ) Thanks Newfie. I have to wonder about the white truck too, I mean they are a dime a dozen.Gina Zimmerman, president of the school PTA, dropped by the Skyline search scene Saturday morning with her 8-year-old daughter Madi, who has been a classmate of Kyron for three years. 3 years you can get to know someone pretty well in that timeframe. She said the K-8 school has about 300 students. The principal, Ben Keefer, declined to comment Saturday. Declined to comment??? Zimmerman said she arrived at the school around 8:15 a.m. Friday, as most parents and students did, to attend the end-of-year science fair. Terri Horman took a photograph of Kyron in front of his project, Zimmerman said. So she witnessed that Terri Horman was there. Zimmerman said everyone went into their classroom for the science fair and broke into parent-led groups of four or five. She wasn’t sure what group Kyron was in. but she said the last time she saw him was at 8:15, when the groups began going from class to class. “Then you were supposed to stay with your group. I don’t know what group he was in.” This time frame is confusing…. She arrived at 8:15, the person that put this sentence together in the article confuses the reader. It should state the last time she saw him was when she arrived at 8:15, and use the word before rather than when. These parent led groups, who were they and do any of them recall seeing Kyron in their group? Obviously not! So it looks like the time Kyron went missing was between 8:15 and 8:45 a.m. I wonder how many parents actually came to the fair? Zimmerman said the boy has no learning disabilities. “He’s a good kid who follows the rules,” she said. So I am taking there were no outward signs of abuse, or apparent internal problems in the family. “We’re really close to the family, “ she added, noting that Kyron has an older brother and a younger sister. “We’ve been on the phone with them all night.” Somehow I do not think the truck that was seen at 2:00 a.m. was their’s. Also I found Jim Kelley's facebook last night and Elinor Markrof (the people who mentioned the white truck and the weird email from Elinor's ex-hubby.) From what I could tell Jim and Elinor do have a relationship which would explain the same address thing. Both Elinor and Jim have made comments to the media several times regarding this case. I won't post their facebook addys but you can do a search on facebook, it's not private. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 22, 2010, 11:42:39 AM Bumped ~~ Telephone interview with Examiner.com, Multnomah County Sheriff’s office spokeswoman, Lt. Mary Lindstrand Question: Is Kyron’s uncle’s arrest for child molestation in Seattle, Wash., part of this investigation? Lt. Lindstrand: Yes, I can say that it is part of the investigation. http://www.examiner.com/x-34328-Seattle-Headlines-Examiner~y2010m6d21-Kyron-Horman-Interview-with-Sheriffs-office-with-update (http://www.examiner.com/x-34328-Seattle-Headlines-Examiner~y2010m6d21-Kyron-Horman-Interview-with-Sheriffs-office-with-update) I don't think it's a dumb question :). From what I have gleaned online, it would be highly unusual but not unheard of. To be honest, my concern with the uncle lies more along the lines of retribution and vengeance. I would be very interested in knowing who reported the molestation charges in that family and who might believe that someone deserves to pay for "getting Uncle Kristian into trouble" with LE. Think "Hand That Rocks The Cradle." Clearly, Uncle K was in the wrong and broke the law, but I wonder if someone in his life believes taking Kyron is tit-for-tat, if you will. Maybe I watch too many movies. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: cartfly on June 22, 2010, 11:45:18 AM Bumped ~~ Telephone interview with Examiner.com, Multnomah County Sheriff’s office spokeswoman, Lt. Mary Lindstrand Question: Is Kyron’s uncle’s arrest for child molestation in Seattle, Wash., part of this investigation? Lt. Lindstrand: Yes, I can say that it is part of the investigation. http://www.examiner.com/x-34328-Seattle-Headlines-Examiner~y2010m6d21-Kyron-Horman-Interview-with-Sheriffs-office-with-update (http://www.examiner.com/x-34328-Seattle-Headlines-Examiner~y2010m6d21-Kyron-Horman-Interview-with-Sheriffs-office-with-update) I don't think it's a dumb question :). From what I have gleaned online, it would be highly unusual but not unheard of. To be honest, my concern with the uncle lies more along the lines of retribution and vengeance. I would be very interested in knowing who reported the molestation charges in that family and who might believe that someone deserves to pay for "getting Uncle Kristian into trouble" with LE. Think "Hand That Rocks The Cradle." Clearly, Uncle K was in the wrong and broke the law, but I wonder if someone in his life believes taking Kyron is tit-for-tat, if you will. Maybe I watch too many movies. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: cartfly on June 22, 2010, 12:01:27 PM Try this one for TMH's FB pics http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=1365626&id=1264414625&fbid=1489640002015#!/photo.php?pid=1365625&id=1264414625&fbid=1489639882012 Hmmm, not sure if that one will work either. Try cutting and pasting the whole link. Anyone notice in Kyron's picture with his project on the top left (torwards front of class room) there is a project set up with a green background. Now look at photo #32 on the facebook of a classmate with his project. (It is also on the green eyed tree frog) If this was taken that morning this would be another child who could vouch for Kyron and SM, right? I just never noticed this picture before of this other child. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: seahorse on June 22, 2010, 12:03:11 PM I apolize if this has been already posted. Why was this done in other cases?
Police Seek Surveillance Video As part of the investigation, the Multnomah County Sheriff's Office is requesting surveillance video from nearby storefronts, private homes, security cameras or any other surveillance recording from June 3 and June 4. They are specifically looking for video of vehicular traffic from the following locations (also see the two maps below): Northwest Cornelius Pass Road Northwest Germantown Road Northwest Logie Trail Road Northwest Rocky Point Road Northwest Skyline Road Northwest 185th Avenue Northwest West Union Road Northwest Springville Road Bethany Boulevard Northwest Springville Road Northwest Newberry Road Northwest McNamee Road Highway 30 from Northwest Rock Point to Germantown Road Northwest Kaiser Road Northwest Thompson Road Northwest Laidlaw Road Anyone with video of those areas is asked to contact the sheriff's office tip line at (503) 261-2847. Leave your name, contact information and identify the specific location or street address of the video footage. http://www.katu.com/news/local/96341619.html Road cam's all over the place. I wonder if CSI SM took this in account while traveling? http://www.tripcheck.com/Pages/RCMap.asp?mainNav=RoadConditions&curRegion=16 Below the map shows details of where the cameras are located. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: cartfly on June 22, 2010, 12:05:09 PM Try this one for TMH's FB pics http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=1365626&id=1264414625&fbid=1489640002015#!/photo.php?pid=1365625&id=1264414625&fbid=1489639882012 Hmmm, not sure if that one will work either. Try cutting and pasting the whole link. Anyone notice in Kyron's picture with his project on the top left (torwards front of class room) there is a project set up with a green background. Now look at photo #32 on the facebook of a classmate with his project. (It is also on the green eyed tree frog) If this was taken that morning this would be another child who could vouch for Kyron and SM, right? I just never noticed this picture before of this other child. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: cartfly on June 22, 2010, 12:10:53 PM Try this one for TMH's FB pics http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=1365626&id=1264414625&fbid=1489640002015#!/photo.php?pid=1365625&id=1264414625&fbid=1489639882012 Hmmm, not sure if that one will work either. Try cutting and pasting the whole link. Anyone notice in Kyron's picture with his project on the top left (torwards front of class room) there is a project set up with a green background. Now look at photo #32 on the facebook of a classmate with his project. (It is also on the green eyed tree frog) If this was taken that morning this would be another child who could vouch for Kyron and SM, right? I just never noticed this picture before of this other child. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: seahorse on June 22, 2010, 12:11:49 PM Some of these are my opinions along with gleaning... I wondered if anyone saw Kyron put his coat and backpack on his desk that morning? It had to get there somehow. I really am wondering if the pic was taken on the 3rd, not the 4th.Did SM made an "appearance" at the Science Fair without KH? Did she drop off his coat and Backback on his desk? Was the photo taken on "June 3" (facebook) before it was changed? IDK. Where do I get ideas? http://www.oregonlive.com/news/index.ssf/2010/06/parents_others_from_community/2382/comments-3.html I wish the teacher would just come out and make a public statement about whether she saw Terri with Kyron that morning or not. Did LE ever come out and make that statement about Kyron being at school? Cartfly, The silence must be keeping SM in suspense, do you think? She must be getting squirrelly by now:) L.E. must have asked the Teachers to remain quite. I will keep lurking around the Oregon message boards... If it is not her, the alternative perp scares me even more with all the sex offenders and cult activity in that area. One of the sex offenders I brought over earlier whom LE has been looking for is still being sought and I read yesterday his vehicle was found in Missouri. See "Paul Evans Winklebleck" my post number 14 in this thread. http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8168.0 Klaas gave us permission to post photos on Kyron Horman's "Who's Who" site. Why would anyone want to be related to a Squirrel? (LOL) Should we ask DoubleD? Should we e-mail Klaas? Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: cartfly on June 22, 2010, 12:16:17 PM I apolize if this has been already posted. Why was this done in other cases? Thanks for the tripcheck link! The tripcheck cameras are very interesting. I wonder if the live feed is archived.Police Seek Surveillance Video As part of the investigation, the Multnomah County Sheriff's Office is requesting surveillance video from nearby storefronts, private homes, security cameras or any other surveillance recording from June 3 and June 4. They are specifically looking for video of vehicular traffic from the following locations (also see the two maps below): Northwest Cornelius Pass Road Northwest Germantown Road Northwest Logie Trail Road Northwest Rocky Point Road Northwest Skyline Road Northwest 185th Avenue Northwest West Union Road Northwest Springville Road Bethany Boulevard Northwest Springville Road Northwest Newberry Road Northwest McNamee Road Highway 30 from Northwest Rock Point to Germantown Road Northwest Kaiser Road Northwest Thompson Road Northwest Laidlaw Road Anyone with video of those areas is asked to contact the sheriff's office tip line at (503) 261-2847. Leave your name, contact information and identify the specific location or street address of the video footage. http://www.katu.com/news/local/96341619.html Road cam's all over the place. I wonder if CSI SM took this in account while traveling? http://www.tripcheck.com/Pages/RCMap.asp?mainNav=RoadConditions&curRegion=16 Below the map shows details of where the cameras are located. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 22, 2010, 12:17:30 PM Try this one for TMH's FB pics http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=1365626&id=1264414625&fbid=1489640002015#!/photo.php?pid=1365625&id=1264414625&fbid=1489639882012 Hmmm, not sure if that one will work either. Try cutting and pasting the whole link. Anyone notice in Kyron's picture with his project on the top left (torwards front of class room) there is a project set up with a green background. Now look at photo #32 on the facebook of a classmate with his project. (It is also on the green eyed tree frog) If this was taken that morning this would be another child who could vouch for Kyron and SM, right? I just never noticed this picture before of this other child. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: seahorse on June 22, 2010, 12:25:24 PM Comment by poster Yonkinator
Yonkinator This child disappeared at a kid's science fair prior to class and, reportedly,the stepmom is the last to have seen him headed to his classroom. I'm betting that at least 25% of the parents that showed up for that event had video cameras. If the authorities were to ask for the videos that were take... more http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/06/21/oregon.missing.boy.letter/index.html (I never thought of parents with video cameras or cell phone video's) DUH I was so focused on digital camera photo's I totally forgot cell phone video's, etc. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Love2Read on June 22, 2010, 12:37:38 PM Hello everyone. I have been following this case, but this is the first time I have caught up enough to post :)
Thank you for all of the good discussion and links. I haven't read yet if the mother had the 18month old with her at the science fair that day too or if the baby was with a babysitter. Does anyone know? I pray Kyron will be found safe and sound. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: cartfly on June 22, 2010, 12:43:01 PM Hello everyone. I have been following this case, but this is the first time I have caught up enough to post :) Hi Love2Read!Thank you for all of the good discussion and links. I haven't read yet if the mother had the 18month old with her at the science fair that day too or if the baby was with a babysitter. Does anyone know? I pray Kyron will be found safe and sound. I thought I read somewhere that the baby was with a friend so she could clean house and run errands. Glad to have you here! :) Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Patricia Mocha Latte on June 22, 2010, 12:44:13 PM A recap of some statements from the beginning ( bbm ) Thanks Newfie. I have to wonder about the white truck too, I mean they are a dime a dozen.Gina Zimmerman, president of the school PTA, dropped by the Skyline search scene Saturday morning with her 8-year-old daughter Madi, who has been a classmate of Kyron for three years. 3 years you can get to know someone pretty well in that timeframe. She said the K-8 school has about 300 students. The principal, Ben Keefer, declined to comment Saturday. Declined to comment??? Zimmerman said she arrived at the school around 8:15 a.m. Friday, as most parents and students did, to attend the end-of-year science fair. Terri Horman took a photograph of Kyron in front of his project, Zimmerman said. So she witnessed that Terri Horman was there. Zimmerman said everyone went into their classroom for the science fair and broke into parent-led groups of four or five. She wasn’t sure what group Kyron was in. but she said the last time she saw him was at 8:15, when the groups began going from class to class. “Then you were supposed to stay with your group. I don’t know what group he was in.” This time frame is confusing…. She arrived at 8:15, the person that put this sentence together in the article confuses the reader. It should state the last time she saw him was when she arrived at 8:15, and use the word before rather than when. These parent led groups, who were they and do any of them recall seeing Kyron in their group? Obviously not! So it looks like the time Kyron went missing was between 8:15 and 8:45 a.m. I wonder how many parents actually came to the fair? Zimmerman said the boy has no learning disabilities. “He’s a good kid who follows the rules,” she said. So I am taking there were no outward signs of abuse, or apparent internal problems in the family. “We’re really close to the family, “ she added, noting that Kyron has an older brother and a younger sister. “We’ve been on the phone with them all night.” Somehow I do not think the truck that was seen at 2:00 a.m. was their’s. Also I found Jim Kelley's facebook last night and Elinor Markrof (the people who mentioned the white truck and the weird email from Elinor's ex-hubby.) From what I could tell Jim and Elinor do have a relationship which would explain the same address thing. Both Elinor and Jim have made comments to the media several times regarding this case. I won't post their facebook addys but you can do a search on facebook, it's not private. I would even venture to wonder if there truly were ever a vehicle, truck, car, vehicle seen there at all??? Interesting about the Kelley - Markrof connection too. Great find! (Thanks cartfly.) Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: cartfly on June 22, 2010, 12:46:16 PM Comment by poster Yonkinator Good catch, I hadn't thought of that either.Yonkinator This child disappeared at a kid's science fair prior to class and, reportedly,the stepmom is the last to have seen him headed to his classroom. I'm betting that at least 25% of the parents that showed up for that event had video cameras. If the authorities were to ask for the videos that were take... more http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/06/21/oregon.missing.boy.letter/index.html (I never thought of parents with video cameras or cell phone video's) DUH I was so focused on digital camera photo's I totally forgot cell phone video's, etc. I always bring the video camera, digital camera and as a backup the film SLR camera to my sons school, in case a battery goes dead or I run out of space I can still capture something. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: darla on June 22, 2010, 12:48:39 PM Good Afternoon Monkeys,
Been MIA for the last week, but have a question. When our schools have science fairs, they usually have to have their projects in a day or two before the showing. The night before we usually have a parents night to come by and see all the projects, as a lot of parents work during the day. Did they have a parents night on Thursday at Kyron's school?? Or was it just a 30 minute deal in the morning? Was Kyron even at school on Friday? Well that is about 3 questions but they have been bugging me. How do you have 300 children plus all the parents come in and see the projects in about 30-45 minutes early in the morning.What about the rest of the family, grandparents? Did they also have only 30-45 minutes to look at the projects? I am a grandmother and when any of the kids have something at school I usually attend. I have four in the same school, so would want to have time to see each of their projects. I hope this is making sense. Got alot of things running around in my head on this one. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: cartfly on June 22, 2010, 12:54:43 PM I wonder if we might be able to get a reference/link thread also. Somewhere we can have the great links brought over like the maps, tripcheck cameras, incident report for Portland Le, local news channels among others that smart monkeys have found since this began.
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Patricia Mocha Latte on June 22, 2010, 12:56:12 PM Interesting comments imvho.
http://www.aolnews.com/crime/article/oregon-boy-kyron-hormans-disappearance-now-a-criminal-case/19514892 "There's a terrible cloud over everything," said Elinor Markgraf, who has lived in the Skyline area for decades. At a high school graduation party last week, Markgraf said the mood was tense. "Nobody was talking about it," Markgraf said. "But it was so close to the surface." Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: cartfly on June 22, 2010, 12:57:55 PM Good Afternoon Monkeys, Hi Darla! I hope you are doing well. Those are some good questions. I hadn't read anything about a prior viewing of the science fair for parents but they may have. I would imagine the projects would have been brought in at least the day before to allow the teacher to view and grade them. Been MIA for the last week, but have a question. When our schools have science fairs, they usually have to have their projects in a day or two before the showing. The night before we usually have a parents night to come by and see all the projects, as a lot of parents work during the day. Did they have a parents night on Thursday at Kyron's school?? Or was it just a 30 minute deal in the morning? Was Kyron even at school on Friday? Well that is about 3 questions but they have been bugging me. How do you have 300 children plus all the parents come in and see the projects in about 30-45 minutes early in the morning.What about the rest of the family, grandparents? Did they also have only 30-45 minutes to look at the projects? I am a grandmother and when any of the kids have something at school I usually attend. I have four in the same school, so would want to have time to see each of their projects. I hope this is making sense. Got alot of things running around in my head on this one. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Patricia Mocha Latte on June 22, 2010, 01:04:17 PM It makes me wonder who's graduation party Elinor had attended and why did it seem so important for her to mention that the mood "there" (the graduation party) was so tense?
"There's a terrible cloud over everything." "Nobody was talking about it - but it was so close to the surface." Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Patricia Mocha Latte on June 22, 2010, 01:12:25 PM I wonder why it is that Elinor is talking specifically about the graduation party as opposed to all other possible social/public places in general? In one breath she states that "There's a terrible cloud over everything" and in the next breath she is specific to only one group of people at this graduation party. Seems to me that the whole town and imvho nation, for that matter, is affected by Kyron's disappearance.
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: cartfly on June 22, 2010, 01:14:13 PM In case you hadn't seen it, Elinor was/is (?) a writer for Oregon live.
http://www.oregonlive.com/special/series/dropouts.ssf?/columnists/oregonian/markgraf.frame (http://www.oregonlive.com/special/series/dropouts.ssf?/columnists/oregonian/markgraf.frame) Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: cartfly on June 22, 2010, 01:19:29 PM It makes me wonder who's graduation party Elinor had attended and why did it seem so important for her to mention that the mood "there" (the graduation party) was so tense? Maybe one of her children (?) I think she has four boys and a girl from what I saw on her facebook. Also she has lived there all her life, so perhaps a niece or nephew. I know I have seen her in quotes in several news storys along with Jim Kelley. The sleuthers at Insessions discussed these two in great detail."There's a terrible cloud over everything." "Nobody was talking about it - but it was so close to the surface." Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Patricia Mocha Latte on June 22, 2010, 01:21:47 PM In case you hadn't seen it, Elinor was/is (?) a writer for Oregon live. http://www.oregonlive.com/special/series/dropouts.ssf?/columnists/oregonian/markgraf.frame (http://www.oregonlive.com/special/series/dropouts.ssf?/columnists/oregonian/markgraf.frame) She certainly seems facinated and apparently discontent at times regarding the roles people assume/take on in life? hmm... Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: bjinsco on June 22, 2010, 01:23:50 PM Someone on another board brought up this guy -
Name: Ned Lyle Kelley Convictions: http://www2.co.multnomah.or.us/Public/EntryPoint?ct=4137ca0c4a281210VgnVCM1000003bc614acRCRD#summary Kidnapped victims from street and drove to remote locations where he sexually assaulted them. Has also sexually assaulted a victim in residence. Has sexually abused a girlfriend's minor male son http://search.criminalcheck.com/pddetails.php?db=ORSX_WEB&rec=192&ed=202&dlnumber=CC&dlstate=CC&id=CC Could he be related to JK? Hmmm Just thinking out loud... Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Patricia Mocha Latte on June 22, 2010, 01:31:16 PM http://archives.lists.indymedia.org/imc-editorial/2003-December/008175.html
Paragraph 10 specifically. I am wondering if there is any proof that Tave's tooth was knocked out and if so was Will the one who knocked it out for the reasons specified in this document? Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Patricia Mocha Latte on June 22, 2010, 01:36:47 PM Someone on another board brought up this guy - Name: Ned Lyle Kelley Convictions: http://www2.co.multnomah.or.us/Public/EntryPoint?ct=4137ca0c4a281210VgnVCM1000003bc614acRCRD#summary Kidnapped victims from street and drove to remote locations where he sexually assaulted them. Has also sexually assaulted a victim in residence. Has sexually abused a girlfriend's minor male son http://search.criminalcheck.com/pddetails.php?db=ORSX_WEB&rec=192&ed=202&dlnumber=CC&dlstate=CC&id=CC Could he be related to JK? Hmmm Just thinking out loud... I have goosebumps! This man is set free to live on the streets!!!! Who is watching this guy!!!! Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: darla on June 22, 2010, 01:39:40 PM Thanks Cartfly, I am doing great.
There is something that is justing pulling at my one brain cell, can't put my finger on it yet. I use to volunteer on a daily bases when my oldest grandson was in elementary. Our school has about 700 kids but anytime you went farther than the front office you had to sign in and get a vistors pass or a volunteer badge. All volunteers have a background check run before being allowed to be in the school. I have 2 grandkids that are in what is Called "Discovery School". It is a specialized class that the kids start out in Kindergarten together and remain with their same classmates all the way through elementary school. They have a different curriculum from the other classes within the school. Parents must put in 30 hrs of volunteer service for each child in Discovery School.They have a special program once a month called Book Talk and parents go some mornings and grandparents go some morning. Once I sign in at the office, I also have to sign in at the door to my grandchilds classroom. Any time I am in the classroom it counts toward my daughters volunteer hours. As does being a chaperone on field trips. I just can't see how they just opened the doors on a school morning with all the parents and whoever coming into the school for the science fair without some tighter security. I think Kyron's school has some splainin to do. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 22, 2010, 01:45:13 PM Good Afternoon Monkeys, Hi Darla! I hope you are doing well. Those are some good questions. I hadn't read anything about a prior viewing of the science fair for parents but they may have. I would imagine the projects would have been brought in at least the day before to allow the teacher to view and grade them. Been MIA for the last week, but have a question. When our schools have science fairs, they usually have to have their projects in a day or two before the showing. The night before we usually have a parents night to come by and see all the projects, as a lot of parents work during the day. Did they have a parents night on Thursday at Kyron's school?? Or was it just a 30 minute deal in the morning? Was Kyron even at school on Friday? Well that is about 3 questions but they have been bugging me. How do you have 300 children plus all the parents come in and see the projects in about 30-45 minutes early in the morning.What about the rest of the family, grandparents? Did they also have only 30-45 minutes to look at the projects? I am a grandmother and when any of the kids have something at school I usually attend. I have four in the same school, so would want to have time to see each of their projects. I hope this is making sense. Got alot of things running around in my head on this one. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Patricia Mocha Latte on June 22, 2010, 01:47:19 PM Elinor and her family has apparently lived in the area for quite a long time. Possibly that all of her Children attended the same school as Kyron? If so all would most likely be very familiar with this school etc...
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: cartfly on June 22, 2010, 02:04:42 PM Elinor and her family has apparently lived in the area for quite a long time. Possibly that all of her Children attended the same school as Kyron? If so all would most likely be very familiar with this school etc... excellent point! I still need to go back and read her editorials. I wonder if the name Kelley is like Smith in this area. I also saw at insessions, that Kyron's grandfather (paternal) writes children s books. Some of the posters felt there was something to his writings but I do not see anything that gave me the creeps. Some of the stories were about a tree frog and had a red squirrel named "Terri" as one of the characters. All coincidence IMO. Here is the link: http://northwesttales.com/ (http://northwesttales.com/) Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tracygirl on June 22, 2010, 02:09:06 PM Who was the uncle with and how old are they now? Jess Star and I had a brief exchange about the charges, 3rd degree molestation sounds like he was with 2 other people at least, one being under the age of 18 but older then 16 and the other minor under 16 but older then 14? The artcle said They were all in bed together so who knows who else was there and what this was all about. Thanks, they were girls, right? At least I thought that is what I read, one perhaps a step daughter.Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Patricia Mocha Latte on June 22, 2010, 02:11:15 PM Elinor and her family has apparently lived in the area for quite a long time. Possibly that all of her Children attended the same school as Kyron? If so all would most likely be very familiar with this school etc... excellent point! I still need to go back and read her editorials. I wonder if the name Kelley is like Smith in this area. I also saw at insessions, that Kyron's grandfather (paternal) writes children s books. Some of the posters felt there was something to his writings but I do not see anything that gave me the creeps. Some of the stories were about a tree frog and had a red squirrel named "Terri" as one of the characters. All coincidence IMO. Here is the link: http://northwesttales.com/ (http://northwesttales.com/) Personally I don't see anything there. A lot of writers substitute family members names in stories that they are writing. My Mother does that also. (She is more of a sci-fi buff so if my name ended up being given to a purple sloth with five eyes I wouldn't be surprised. T/G she doesn't read here. I'd hate to give her any ideas. LOL!) Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: cartfly on June 22, 2010, 02:12:17 PM Thanks Cartfly, I am doing great. I definitely think this is a wake up calls for schools around the country. My sons school is lax on the security in my opinion. I plan to bring up the security issues with the principal when school returns in August. I wish our school had a "discovery" program. I like the concept of the children staying together. Kudos to your grandchildren s school for having the sense to have a decent security plan in place. I hope if anything Kyron's case brings awareness to all schools. I know I will be bringing it up and following up until someone listens to me when the kids go back to school. There is something that is justing pulling at my one brain cell, can't put my finger on it yet. I use to volunteer on a daily bases when my oldest grandson was in elementary. Our school has about 700 kids but anytime you went farther than the front office you had to sign in and get a vistors pass or a volunteer badge. All volunteers have a background check run before being allowed to be in the school. I have 2 grandkids that are in what is Called "Discovery School". It is a specialized class that the kids start out in Kindergarten together and remain with their same classmates all the way through elementary school. They have a different curriculum from the other classes within the school. Parents must put in 30 hrs of volunteer service for each child in Discovery School.They have a special program once a month called Book Talk and parents go some mornings and grandparents go some morning. Once I sign in at the office, I also have to sign in at the door to my grandchilds classroom. Any time I am in the classroom it counts toward my daughters volunteer hours. As does being a chaperone on field trips. I just can't see how they just opened the doors on a school morning with all the parents and whoever coming into the school for the science fair without some tighter security. I think Kyron's school has some splainin to do. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: cartfly on June 22, 2010, 02:15:39 PM Elinor and her family has apparently lived in the area for quite a long time. Possibly that all of her Children attended the same school as Kyron? If so all would most likely be very familiar with this school etc... excellent point! I still need to go back and read her editorials. I wonder if the name Kelley is like Smith in this area. I also saw at insessions, that Kyron's grandfather (paternal) writes children s books. Some of the posters felt there was something to his writings but I do not see anything that gave me the creeps. Some of the stories were about a tree frog and had a red squirrel named "Terri" as one of the characters. All coincidence IMO. Here is the link: http://northwesttales.com/ (http://northwesttales.com/) Personally I don't see anything there. A lot of writers substitute family members names in stories that they are writing. My Mother does that also. (She is more of a sci-fi buff so if my name ended up being given to a purple sloth with five eyes I wouldn't be surprised. T/G she doesn't read here. I'd hate to give her any ideas. LOL!) Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: mediamama on June 22, 2010, 02:24:03 PM Who was the uncle with and how old are they now? Jess Star and I had a brief exchange about the charges, 3rd degree molestation sounds like he was with 2 other people at least, one being under the age of 18 but older then 16 and the other minor under 16 but older then 14? The artcle said They were all in bed together so who knows who else was there and what this was all about. Thanks, they were girls, right? At least I thought that is what I read, one perhaps a step daughter.Yep. Right here. Though I'm still unclear on who all was in the bed...?! Kristian Scott Horman of Everett, Wash., (and brother of Kaine Horman, Kyron’s father) was convicted of child molestation charges (stemming from another child) Wednesday and booked into Snohomish County Jail with no bail, as first reported last week by the blinkoncrime website (http://blinkoncrime.com). According to the Snohomish County Sheriff's Office, Kristian Horman was originally arrested in February 2009 for third-degree child molestation in the October 2008 case of his 15-year-old stepdaughter. He was released on parole and not in custody until being convicted and booked into jail June 16. He was sentenced to 180 days in jail. Third-degree child molestation is a Class C felony. Rebecca Hover, a Snohomish County Sheriff’s Office spokeswoman, said she's “not aware of any law enforcement agency that's called our agency about Kyron or Kristian Horman.” Swamped by calls of interest from the national media, she said, she has checked with her county's major crimes and special investigations unit, and they had not been familiar with any connection to the Kyron Horman case. According to Kristian Horman's booking documents, he had no prior record of criminal charges other than failing to renew his vehicle registration. The molestation incident occured when "they were all in the same house, in the same bed," said Hal Hupp, the prosecutor in the case. "He almost immediately admitted he'd done what he'd done." Hover said Kristian Horman has declined to speak to the media, but refers calls to his Seattle attorney, Donna Johnston. Johnston did not return the Tribune's call seeking comment. http://www.spotlightnews.net/news/story_2nd.php?story_id=127687387448812800 Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: mediamama on June 22, 2010, 02:48:18 PM My imagination is in overdrive today - I'm just throwing a few things out there:
How large a drug smuggling/growing problem does Oregon have? Has anyone else read/seen/heard about Mexican drug cartels that convince former U.S. military to become "hit men" or bodyguards for them (I assume because of their specialized training...)? There is what appears to be a large Marine base in SoCal - Camp Pendleton. Can't get much closer to the Mexican border than that. Coincidentally, according to his Classmates.com profile, Uncle Kristian was stationed there until 2002. Considering the fact the the FBI was involved very early on in this case, I wonder if it's possible that there's a connection to the drug smuggling issue here. Probably not a factor at all, but this is a great outlet for my musings! Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: seahorse on June 22, 2010, 03:19:40 PM Curious did SM call 911 before calling the school or the Bus garage to check if Kyron fell asleep on bus? I would have thought the child may have fallen asleep on the bus before I thought he was stolen. JMO
Poster Herman Munster seems to feel SM may have acted prematurely by calling 911 before SM found out if the child was still on the bus, etc. I am paraphasing HM comment. by HermanMunster1234 June 22, 2010 1:51 PM EDT Wow, I had no idea this case was so obvious until I read all the collected evidence. How convenient he disappears on the day on the science fair, and how smart of the stepmom to create an "alibi" by coincidentally taking his picture and posting it on facebook. While clever, I hope the cops can see past this. Also why did she call 911 the moment he didnt come home on the bus? Wouldnt calling the school or the bus garage been a first step. Calling 911 to me screams guilt as why would one assume police action is necessary, until they know the person is gone. In this case she KNEW he was gone, because she did it! CASE CLOSED. http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-20008276-504083.html#addcomm Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: seahorse on June 22, 2010, 03:26:14 PM Curious, again...has anyone looked up SM on Classmates.com? I don't have a membership to CM.
She was listed 1988 -Roseburg High School, Roseburg, Oregon. Thank-you. I was just curious if she had a squirrel like hair-do. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tracygirl on June 22, 2010, 03:27:22 PM Trying to separate fact from rumor...Where did we hear of the cell phone pings. Did LE state this or was it said by someone claiming to be apart of the investigation or someone knowing someone who is close to the investigation? I think it was said by someone claiming to be a sherrifs wife or something like that, is that correct?
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tracygirl on June 22, 2010, 03:29:55 PM I think the step mom called the school when Kyron was not on the bus. The driver told her he was not at the school to be picked up. After calling the school she then called the police and the school called as well.
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: BabsKats on June 22, 2010, 03:58:41 PM Curious, again...has anyone looked up SM on Classmates.com? I don't have a membership to CM. No info on classmates, no pic. Just that she was in class of 1988, Roseburg, Or.She was listed 1988 -Roseburg High School, Roseburg, Oregon. Thank-you. I was just curious if she had a squirrel like hair-do. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Love2Read on June 22, 2010, 04:00:55 PM Hello everyone. I have been following this case, but this is the first time I have caught up enough to post :) Hi Love2Read!Thank you for all of the good discussion and links. I haven't read yet if the mother had the 18month old with her at the science fair that day too or if the baby was with a babysitter. Does anyone know? I pray Kyron will be found safe and sound. I thought I read somewhere that the baby was with a friend so she could clean house and run errands. Glad to have you here! :) Thank you Cartfly :) If she left the baby with a friend so that she could clean and run errands, I wonder why she did not attend the talent show that afternoon. She has my hinky meter in overdrive. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tracygirl on June 22, 2010, 04:15:22 PM Where did the cell phone ping story come from? Anyone know or want to help track that down?
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: KarmaRoundUp on June 22, 2010, 04:28:51 PM Where did the cell phone ping story come from? Anyone know or want to help track that down? Hi TracyGirlAs far as I can tell that cell phone pings story came from a blog/news site that said it came from numerous un named sources.HinkyMeter has more about that: http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2010/06/21/kyron-horman-update-062110/#comments Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: cookie on June 22, 2010, 04:51:30 PM I think the step mom called the school when Kyron was not on the bus. The driver told her he was not at the school to be picked up. After calling the school she then called the police and the school called as well. I had not heard that the SM had called the police at all..I have thought that she had called the school and the person that she spoke with at the school then called 911 after getting off the phone with SM...could be wrong, but that is my take on it from what I have read... Darla...good to see you ! Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tracygirl on June 22, 2010, 04:56:07 PM Snipped and copied from my Blink on crime post
it is from a blog writer named James Pitkin. Here is the link to the blog. Seems that this blog has caused a ton of attention to this case all from according to the writer, “sources” in different levels of law enforcement…hmm last time I checked LE was saying they couldn’t comment. so who is commenting, if in fact they are commenting? Is this crediable enough to conclude it as fact and quote this over and over again? http://blogs.wweek.com/news/2010/06/17/sources-search-for-kyron-horman-focuses-on-step-mom-cell-records Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tracygirl on June 22, 2010, 04:58:03 PM Where did the cell phone ping story come from? Anyone know or want to help track that down? Hi TracyGirlAs far as I can tell that cell phone pings story came from a blog/news site that said it came from numerous un named sources.HinkyMeter has more about that: http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2010/06/21/kyron-horman-update-062110/#comments Yes I think it was that Willamette blog. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: seahorse on June 22, 2010, 05:02:54 PM I apolize if this has been already posted. Why was this done in other cases? Thanks for the tripcheck link! The tripcheck cameras are very interesting. I wonder if the live feed is archived.Police Seek Surveillance Video As part of the investigation, the Multnomah County Sheriff's Office is requesting surveillance video from nearby storefronts, private homes, security cameras or any other surveillance recording from June 3 and June 4. They are specifically looking for video of vehicular traffic from the following locations (also see the two maps below): Northwest Cornelius Pass Road Northwest Germantown Road Northwest Logie Trail Road Northwest Rocky Point Road Northwest Skyline Road Northwest 185th Avenue Northwest West Union Road Northwest Springville Road Bethany Boulevard Northwest Springville Road Northwest Newberry Road Northwest McNamee Road Highway 30 from Northwest Rock Point to Germantown Road Northwest Kaiser Road Northwest Thompson Road Northwest Laidlaw Road Anyone with video of those areas is asked to contact the sheriff's office tip line at (503) 261-2847. Leave your name, contact information and identify the specific location or street address of the video footage. http://www.katu.com/news/local/96341619.html Road cam's all over the place. I wonder if CSI SM took this in account while traveling? http://www.tripcheck.com/Pages/RCMap.asp?mainNav=RoadConditions&curRegion=16 Below the map shows details of where the cameras are located. Cartfly, Nope. Perhaps the why the Sheriff has asked the public for video's from overpasses,etc. now it make alot of sense. CSI -SM doesn't have worry about the traffic cams, but there are other weather cams, etc. Frequently Asked Questions ODOT Citizens' Representative Back to the form Q: How do I sign up to be on your bid list for projects? A: Please call ODOT’s Construction section at (503) 986-3000. Q: Who do I call with questions about purchasing an over-dimensional permit? A: You can call the Motor Carrier Transportation Division at (503) 373-0000. Q: Where on your Website can I find information about traction devices? A: Go to the winter travel page in TripCheck.com and scroll down to the "Chain and Traction Tire Laws" section. Q: How do I find information about road conditions from inside Oregon? A: You can call (800) 977-6368 or if you’re outside Oregon call (503) 588-2941. Q: Who do I contact to file a complaint about a railroad company that is keeping a crossing blocked too long? A: You can call the Rail Division at (toll free) 866-628-8867. Q: Do you keep copies of the images captured on your traffic cameras? A: No Q: Who do I contact for more information about the Adopt-a-Highway program? A: You can contact Bernice Mathis at (503) 986-3031. http://highway.odot.state.or.us/cf/comments/FAQ.htm http://www.oregon.gov/ODOT/TD/TP_RES/ http://www.oregon.gov/ODOT/subject_index.shtml#B Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: seahorse on June 22, 2010, 06:09:17 PM 350 surveys returned
In what investigators called a 'good turnout', 350 people responed the the survey about Kyron Horman and his stepmom, Terri Moulton Horman, which was sent out Friday afternoon. Despite the Sunday deadline for turning in the surveys, officers said it was still okay to turn them in - but that email or returning them in person is preferred. Law enforcement officials will reportedly release (later Monday) the letter Desiree Young, Kyron's biological mother, wrote to the missing 7-year-old. http://www.koinlocal6.com/content/news/topstories/story/Former-Multnomah-County-Deputy-District-Attorney/Dz4uMChK60KCWjy3W5FG4Q.cspx Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tamikosmom on June 22, 2010, 06:22:14 PM It would make sense that after Terri called the school when Kyron did not emerge from the bus and ... there were two calls placed to 911.
Janet +++++++ June 22, 2010 Missing Boy Kyron Horman's Mom Writes Emotional Public Letter It's been reported that Kyron attended the school's science fair that day with his stepmother, who says she last saw him walking down the hallway in the direction of his classroom. Horman called 911 after Kyron did not return home on his school bus. http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-20008411-504083.html Family of Kyron Horman speaks for first time June 11, 2010 The search began after the boy did not come home on the school bus and his stepmother called 911 at about 3:45 p.m. http://www.king5.com/news/Family-of-Kyron-Horman-speaks-for-first-time-96171949.html Missing Ore. boy: Cops get 1,200 tips June 8, 2010 search began after classes let out and Kyron didn't come home on the bus. His stepmother called 911 about 3:45 p.m., and sheriff's deputies and K-9 units began a search of the school and the two-mile route to his home. http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/37566861/ns/us_news-life/#ixzz0rch6esku Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: newfie on June 22, 2010, 06:26:07 PM http://blogs.wweek.com/news/2010/06/22/kyron-horman-update-man-spotted-in-photo-from-stepmoms-facebook-page/
Obviously it took these people this long to discover people in the background of these photo's. They were noted early on and I believe a photo specialist for LE has already seen the man in the science pic alone, as well as the man with the plaid shirt and little girl. Alot of this media's reporting is shoddy and about speculation without actual factual basis. Journalists that create hyperbole to get ratings. This paper needs to sit on the shelves with the Enquirer, and Star. IMHO A couple of facts that I wonder about is that we know via witness accounts that Teri Horman and Kyron were seen early that morning of the 4th, aprox. 8:15 a.m. That gives a thirty min. window before grouping. Do we know how many students are in Kyron's class? If there was one parent chaperone per every 4-5 students, and say the teacher took a group as well as the assistant, how many adults were there in the room. Was this a preassigned grouping or was it done right there on the spot? I wish we knew a parent from that school. I am trying to figure out how the grouping transpired. Meaning if parents were assigned their students, who was assigned Kyron? Or was he never assigned because he never made it to class at 8:45? The teacher claims she spoke to Terri in the crowded gym, is she sure that it was Terri with all of the parents and commotion? Who else saw Terri in the gym at the school? I am sure she had to have talked to someone. Did the teacher see Kyron? What time were they in the gym? Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: cookie on June 22, 2010, 06:26:20 PM Tamikosmom...thanks for clearing that up about the 911 call from the SM
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Patricia Mocha Latte on June 22, 2010, 06:44:42 PM http://blogs.wweek.com/news/2010/06/22/kyron-horman-update-man-spotted-in-photo-from-stepmoms-facebook-page/ Obviously it took these people this long to discover people in the background of these photo's. They were noted early on and I believe a photo specialist for LE has already seen the man in the science pic alone, as well as the man with the plaid shirt and little girl. Alot of this media's reporting is shoddy and about speculation without actual factual basis. Journalists that create hyperbole to get ratings. This paper needs to sit on the shelves with the Enquirer, and Star. IMHO A couple of facts that I wonder about is that we know via witness accounts that Teri Horman and Kyron were seen early that morning of the 4th, aprox. 8:15 a.m. That gives a thirty min. window before grouping. I see by the comments that were left in this article that I am not the only one noticing that the man in the plaid shirt appears to be leaning backwards. Possibly to avoid having his face in the photo? Do we know how many students are in Kyron's class? If there was one parent chaperone per every 4-5 students, and say the teacher took a group as well as the assistant, how many adults were there in the room. Was this a preassigned grouping or was it done right there on the spot? I wish we knew a parent from that school. I am trying to figure out how the grouping transpired. Meaning if parents were assigned their students, who was assigned Kyron? Or was he never assigned because he never made it to class at 8:45? The teacher claims she spoke to Terri in the crowded gym, is she sure that it was Terri with all of the parents and commotion? Who else saw Terri in the gym at the school? I am sure she had to have talked to someone. Did the teacher see Kyron? What time were they in the gym? Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Patricia Mocha Latte on June 22, 2010, 06:46:35 PM whoops! My apologies. My comment somehow got into the middle of that last post incorrectly.
I said, " I see by the comments that were left in this article that I am not the only one noticing that the man in the plaid shirt appears to be leaning backwards. Possibly to avoid having his face in the photo?" Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tamikosmom on June 22, 2010, 06:58:18 PM http://blogs.wweek.com/news/2010/06/22/kyron-horman-update-man-spotted-in-photo-from-stepmoms-facebook-page/ Obviously it took these people this long to discover people in the background of these photo's. They were noted early on and I believe a photo specialist for LE has already seen the man in the science pic alone, as well as the man with the plaid shirt and little girl. Alot of this media's reporting is shoddy and about speculation without actual factual basis. Journalists that create hyperbole to get ratings. This paper needs to sit on the shelves with the Enquirer, and Star. IMHO A couple of facts that I wonder about is that we know via witness accounts that Teri Horman and Kyron were seen early that morning of the 4th, aprox. 8:15 a.m. That gives a thirty min. window before grouping. Do we know how many students are in Kyron's class? If there was one parent chaperone per every 4-5 students, and say the teacher took a group as well as the assistant, how many adults were there in the room. Was this a preassigned grouping or was it done right there on the spot? I wish we knew a parent from that school. I am trying to figure out how the grouping transpired. Meaning if parents were assigned their students, who was assigned Kyron? Or was he never assigned because he never made it to class at 8:45? The teacher claims she spoke to Terri in the crowded gym, is she sure that it was Terri with all of the parents and commotion? Who else saw Terri in the gym at the school? I am sure she had to have talked to someone. Did the teacher see Kyron? What time were they in the gym? When the photo of Kryon beside his project is considered ... there does not appear to be any commotion in that gym. IMO Janet Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Itaryl Moosee on June 22, 2010, 08:00:00 PM According to what has been discussed above, the police cannot discuss the step mother because it can jeopardize the investigation into Kyron's disappearance.
But, when asked if the uncle is being investigated in a possible Kyron link, then the answer was "yes." To some people this say that the uncle could be related to the disappearance. To me, it says the uncle is being investigated but they think he is not linked. The reason: because discussing him does not jeopardize the investigation into Kyron's disappearance. Anyone agrees? Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: seahorse on June 22, 2010, 08:27:50 PM According to what has been discussed above, the police cannot discuss the step mother because it can jeopardize the investigation into Kyron's disappearance. But, when asked if the uncle is being investigated in a possible Kyron link, then the answer was "yes." To some people this say that the uncle could be related to the disappearance. To me, it says the uncle is being investigated but they think he is not linked. The reason: because discussing him does not jeopardize the investigation into Kyron's disappearance. Anyone agrees? Yes! I agree with you. Who did SM call from Sauvie Island? Who was the party she contacted? Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Itaryl Moosee on June 22, 2010, 08:59:44 PM I don't think anyone but LE knows the times and places she called.
Some people think she was posting the science fair picture to Facebook, but that's JUST speculation. In seeing that list of streets the police asks for video on, I can't help but wonder if those streets have any relation to the pings on her cellphone. I am also wondering what are the results on the polygraph she took Saturday. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: newfie on June 22, 2010, 10:12:24 PM http://blogs.wweek.com/news/2010/06/22/kyron-horman-update-man-spotted-in-photo-from-stepmoms-facebook-page/ Obviously it took these people this long to discover people in the background of these photo's. They were noted early on and I believe a photo specialist for LE has already seen the man in the science pic alone, as well as the man with the plaid shirt and little girl. Alot of this media's reporting is shoddy and about speculation without actual factual basis. Journalists that create hyperbole to get ratings. This paper needs to sit on the shelves with the Enquirer, and Star. IMHO A couple of facts that I wonder about is that we know via witness accounts that Teri Horman and Kyron were seen early that morning of the 4th, aprox. 8:15 a.m. That gives a thirty min. window before grouping. Do we know how many students are in Kyron's class? If there was one parent chaperone per every 4-5 students, and say the teacher took a group as well as the assistant, how many adults were there in the room. Was this a preassigned grouping or was it done right there on the spot? I wish we knew a parent from that school. I am trying to figure out how the grouping transpired. Meaning if parents were assigned their students, who was assigned Kyron? Or was he never assigned because he never made it to class at 8:45? The teacher claims she spoke to Terri in the crowded gym, is she sure that it was Terri with all of the parents and commotion? Who else saw Terri in the gym at the school? I am sure she had to have talked to someone. Did the teacher see Kyron? What time were they in the gym? When the photo of Kryon beside his project is considered ... there does not appear to be any commotion in that gym. IMO Janet Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tracygirl on June 22, 2010, 10:58:20 PM I am not even sure if Terri's cell phone is even relevant. Seems to me it is a rumor based on speculation and an unconfirmed report. One rumor is feeding another in this case I think.
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: seahorse on June 23, 2010, 03:33:59 AM I don't think anyone but LE knows the times and places she called. Some people think she was posting the science fair picture to Facebook, but that's JUST speculation. In seeing that list of streets the police asks for video on, I can't help but wonder if those streets have any relation to the pings on her cellphone. I am also wondering what are the results on the polygraph she took Saturday. Thank-You I didn't even think of she could have been posting or maybe playing games on her cell phone. I am going to be careful on what I bite on from now on because it will get hairy with no new information everything will be rehashed. LE also requested video from cellphones to be turned in, they are going to make a case one way or another. I am sorry I do have the link available for when LE requested all video to be turned in. Nancy Grace covered Kyron, she is intense, she is really wonderful in some ways. I wonder if Kyron owned or had a cellphone on him, speculation on my part. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: seahorse on June 23, 2010, 04:05:53 AM I don't think anyone but LE knows the times and places she called. Some people think she was posting the science fair picture to Facebook, but that's JUST speculation. In seeing that list of streets the police asks for video on, I can't help but wonder if those streets have any relation to the pings on her cellphone. I am also wondering what are the results on the polygraph she took Saturday. http://blinkoncrime.com/2010/06/15/kyron-horman-missing-and-endangered-john-walsh-on-today-show-media-will-solve-this-case/comment-page-4/ Cell Ping Triangulation? Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: seahorse on June 23, 2010, 04:56:28 AM http://forums.radionewz.net/index.php?PHPSESSID=ba2a635b5fa0c76b6d86a786d31901bd&topic=137.150
HollyGMother has an interesting question concerning a photo and date. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: seahorse on June 23, 2010, 05:06:52 AM Radio
Administrator QUEEN (Poster) Nancy Grace -- 6/22 (partial - partial transcript) GRACE: To Marc Klaas, president and founder of KlaasKids Foundation. Explain the significance of the cell phone pings. KLAAS: Well, the significance of the cell phone pings is very clear, that she was out at this Sauvie Island, which really is a very remote location, shortly after her son disappeared and she obviously has no explanation for having been out there. You really can`t run and hide in this day and age. They are going to be able to follow you electronically regardless of what you do. http://forums.radionewz.net/index.php?topic=137.0;prev_next=next#new Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: seahorse on June 23, 2010, 07:28:53 AM I apolize if this has been already posted. Why was this done in other cases? Thanks for the tripcheck link! The tripcheck cameras are very interesting. I wonder if the live feed is archived.Police Seek Surveillance Video As part of the investigation, the Multnomah County Sheriff's Office is requesting surveillance video from nearby storefronts, private homes, security cameras or any other surveillance recording from June 3 and June 4. They are specifically looking for video of vehicular traffic from the following locations (also see the two maps below): Northwest Cornelius Pass Road Northwest Germantown Road Northwest Logie Trail Road Northwest Rocky Point Road Northwest Skyline Road Northwest 185th Avenue Northwest West Union Road Northwest Springville Road Bethany Boulevard Northwest Springville Road Northwest Newberry Road Northwest McNamee Road Highway 30 from Northwest Rock Point to Germantown Road Northwest Kaiser Road Northwest Thompson Road Northwest Laidlaw Road Anyone with video of those areas is asked to contact the sheriff's office tip line at (503) 261-2847. Leave your name, contact information and identify the specific location or street address of the video footage. http://www.katu.com/news/local/96341619.html Road cam's all over the place. I wonder if CSI SM took this in account while traveling? http://www.tripcheck.com/Pages/RCMap.asp?mainNav=RoadConditions&curRegion=16 Below the map shows details of where the cameras are located. Cartfly, Nope. Perhaps the why the Sheriff has asked the public for video's from overpasses,etc. now it make alot of sense. CSI -SM doesn't have worry about the traffic cams, but there are other weather cams, etc. Frequently Asked Questions ODOT Citizens' Representative Back to the form Q: How do I sign up to be on your bid list for projects? A: Please call ODOT’s Construction section at (503) 986-3000. Q: Who do I call with questions about purchasing an over-dimensional permit? A: You can call the Motor Carrier Transportation Division at (503) 373-0000. Q: Where on your Website can I find information about traction devices? A: Go to the winter travel page in TripCheck.com and scroll down to the "Chain and Traction Tire Laws" section. Q: How do I find information about road conditions from inside Oregon? A: You can call (800) 977-6368 or if you’re outside Oregon call (503) 588-2941. Q: Who do I contact to file a complaint about a railroad company that is keeping a crossing blocked too long? A: You can call the Rail Division at (toll free) 866-628-8867. Q: Do you keep copies of the images captured on your traffic cameras? A: No Q: Who do I contact for more information about the Adopt-a-Highway program? A: You can contact Bernice Mathis at (503) 986-3031. http://highway.odot.state.or.us/cf/comments/FAQ.htm http://www.oregon.gov/ODOT/TD/TP_RES/ http://www.oregon.gov/ODOT/subject_index.shtml#B Goodmorning Monkey's I hope everyone is making the very best of summer:) Question on the above material: The images are not saved, but is it possible for data to be retrieved ? If a subpoena requested records for June 3-4 on certain highway areas, would the records be available? I am curious. Why would SM think in her wildest dreams that she could outsmart the real CSI? Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Sister on June 23, 2010, 09:33:27 AM I am not even sure if Terri's cell phone is even relevant. Seems to me it is a rumor based on speculation and an unconfirmed report. One rumor is feeding another in this case I think. Tracygirl, I couldn't agree with you more. There is so much rumor/speculation that is being taken as fact -- it's disheartening. My prayer is for Kyron's safe return and I know everyone shares in that as well. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: klaasend on June 23, 2010, 09:44:01 AM NEW BLINK POST:
http://blinkoncrime.com/2010/06/23/new-clues-in-kyron-horman-search-fact-or-fiction-you-decide/ New Clues In Kyron Horman Search: Fact or Fiction- You Decide Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: seahorse on June 23, 2010, 10:11:06 AM Good article, Thank-you, very interesting.
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: NCSunny on June 23, 2010, 10:24:39 AM NEW BLINK POST: http://blinkoncrime.com/2010/06/23/new-clues-in-kyron-horman-search-fact-or-fiction-you-decide/ New Clues In Kyron Horman Search: Fact or Fiction- You Decide TY for the updates Klaas. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: newfie on June 23, 2010, 10:28:21 AM http://forums.radionewz.net/index.php?PHPSESSID=ba2a635b5fa0c76b6d86a786d31901bd&topic=137.150 HollyGMother has an interesting question concerning a photo and date. Hi ALL... I wonder why everyone is still speculating on the photo's and whether she was there that day or not. It has been established by LE through witness accounts that she was there. The date on the eraser board is to blurry to make out but that does not matter, the date may not have been changed yet that morning from the day before. Any way it is a moot point. I hope I don't sound peevy but I am concerned that the rumors take away from the facts. I think LE knows that Kyron disappeared from the school that a.m. What they are trying to establish is whether it was Terri H that took him out unnoticed, or someone else that blended in the crowd that lured him out somehow. It saddens me that they don't seem to be looking for a live Kyron anymore. A live Kyron would not be in the lakes. :( I wonder of the cell phone pings, ARE THEY FACT? Why is LE doing a thorough search of SI? On blinks site with the triangulaton theory a black hawk helicopter is working hand in hand with the searchers. If Terri H. is guilty she needs to come clean. It is only a matter of time before LE reveals what they know. sigh... this has got to stop in society... our children are precious. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: theboyzmom on June 23, 2010, 10:50:28 AM http://forums.radionewz.net/index.php?PHPSESSID=ba2a635b5fa0c76b6d86a786d31901bd&topic=137.150 HollyGMother has an interesting question concerning a photo and date. Catching up here but I do not find the wrong date so concerning. Often the date does not get changed immediately in the morning in my son's class. I asked my son when the teacher changes the date and he said it was about the time she did attendance - and since this was early in the day the lack of date change does not bother me all that much. That would change if we knew when the photo was taken of course. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tamikosmom on June 23, 2010, 11:52:37 AM Apparently there were witness who observed both Terri and Kyron at the school that morning.
However ... my hinky meter hit red in regards to Terri when it was revealed through cell phone records that she had not been forthcoming to authorities concerning her whereabouts on the day that Kryon went missing. For crying out loud ... her stepson was missing ... the truth was where it was at. Janet Janet Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 23, 2010, 11:54:55 AM Apparently there were witness who observed both Terri and Kyron at the school that morning. There were witnesses, but who is to say it wasn't that day but the day before, I don't know. I still am trying to figure out why little Tanner, Kyron's friend was allowed to speak, when the family was told not too. However ... my hinky meter hit red in regards to Terri when it was revealed through cell phone records that she had not been forthcoming to authorities concerning her whereabouts on the day that Kryon went missing. For crying out loud ... her stepson was missing ... the truth was where it was at. Janet Janet Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Itaryl Moosee on June 23, 2010, 12:15:27 PM About the dates on the blackboard... while in school I had teachers who would erase everything from the board at the end of the day, and those who left everything in and would erase it the next school day.
So, even if it says June 3rd, it all depends on what that particular teacher's regular routine is about erasing the board. The exhibit looks like it was done in the library, but could be the homeroom, fixed up for the fair that day. The reason I think it could've been the library is that I see something that looks like a reading cubicle. About people "confirming" stuff... nothing has been OFFICIALLY confirmed by LE... lest they hamper the investigation. The only fact confirmed is that Kyron is missing. That's one of the reasons why they passed out the questionaires, to make sure more than one person attests to seeing a particular thing, and not someone mistaken on the dates and what exactly they saw. It would seem weird, as an example, that only one student saw Kyron at a certain time... and nobody else saw him. IMO. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: cartfly on June 23, 2010, 12:40:33 PM NEW BLINK POST: Mods please delete if inappropriate:http://blinkoncrime.com/2010/06/23/new-clues-in-kyron-horman-search-fact-or-fiction-you-decide/ New Clues In Kyron Horman Search: Fact or Fiction- You Decide I am bringing this forward after reading Blinks article. Lisa Fuhrer Pumala (Tanner Pumala's mother): [urlhttp://www.myspace.com/pebbles1800] [/url] Brian Pumala (Tanner's Dad): http://www.myspace.com/brianpuma (http://www.myspace.com/brianpuma) Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: mediamama on June 23, 2010, 12:54:39 PM NEW BLINK POST: Mods please delete if inappropriate:http://blinkoncrime.com/2010/06/23/new-clues-in-kyron-horman-search-fact-or-fiction-you-decide/ New Clues In Kyron Horman Search: Fact or Fiction- You Decide I am bringing this forward after reading Blinks article. Lisa Fuhrer Pumala (Tanner Pumala's mother): [urlhttp://www.myspace.com/pebbles1800] [/url] Brian Pumala (Tanner's Dad): http://www.myspace.com/brianpuma (http://www.myspace.com/brianpuma) Ditto regarding the deletion if these are also inappropriate; here are the Facebook pages for Tanner's mom (Lisa Fuhrer Pumala) and Tanner's stepmom (Ann Pumala). http://www.facebook.com/#!/lpumala http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=1590795155&ref=search Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: seahorse on June 23, 2010, 01:07:23 PM Hi monkeys,
This article takes quite a while to connect the dots (throughly) and the video, too. I had a better understanding of "who" saw Terri leave alone... http://blinkoncrime.com/2010/06/23/new-clues-in-kyron-horman-search-fact-or-fiction-you-decide/ snip.. From Blink notes: Pumala address is on Sauvie. In particular it is the start of the original start area for which MCSO requests video footage, and it has direct access to the channel, which has been a heavy search point. Additionally folks– we have the investigative equivalent of “the closest distance between 2 points” here. Gram or “mom” Pumala is neighbor to Ky. Non-custodial Dad, a former neighbor and presumed aquaintance, lives withing the perimeter of the focus of most of the search efforts, AND the alleged cell pings. snip... http://blinkoncrime.com/2010/06/23/new-clues-in-kyron-horman-search-fact-or-fiction-you-decide/ Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Blonde on June 23, 2010, 01:28:18 PM http://blogs.wweek.com/news/2010/06/22/kyron-horman-update-man-spotted-in-photo-from-stepmoms-facebook-page/
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 23, 2010, 01:42:02 PM http://blogs.wweek.com/news/2010/06/22/kyron-horman-update-man-spotted-in-photo-from-stepmoms-facebook-page/ Even though the man was circled it took me awhile to see him, but couldn't describe him from that photo. Is there hinting that perhaps a family member of Tanner's could be responsible? Or is there hinting that perhaps step mom was having an affair with one of Tanner's family members? I'm confused.Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tracygirl on June 23, 2010, 02:03:26 PM I think sub='s helper. This person could have been a sub at one time but was just helping with the fair.
My first thought about why the boy was asked to speak was to clear up some misinformation. Now I guess the families know one another considering they have been neighbors. Did the boy talk before the search of the island or after? Could the search have been prompted by the family allowing information out there when asked not to speak about it? Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: mediamama on June 23, 2010, 02:11:41 PM This may have been discussed previously, but if so, I've missed it.
Who is this standing in front of Kyron's project? http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=1365626&id=1264414625&fbid=1489640002015#!/photo.php?pid=1365627&id=1264414625&fbid=1489640042016 Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tamikosmom on June 23, 2010, 02:44:27 PM WITNESSES Details emerge about the day Kyron Horman turned up missing Published: Saturday, June 05, 2010, 11:21 PM Updated: Friday, June 18, 2010, 5:02 PM They arrived sometime after the school opened about 8 a.m., went to his classroom, dropped off his coat and backpack and he showed his stepmother his exhibit, "The Red-Eyed Tree Frog." ... Although the school usually opens at 8:35 a.m. and the final bell rings 10 minutes later, the school opened as early as 8 Friday for the science fair, said Matt Shelby, spokesman for Portland Public Schools. Other students and parents showed up early as well to check out the fair, and Terri and Kyron saw people they knew while looking at the exhibits, Carol Moulton said. Terri often volunteers at the school, working closely with Kyron's teacher, Kristina Porter. Shelby said that Porter saw Kyron in her classroom with his stepmom before 8:45 a.m. and another instructor reported seeing him in another classroom at some point. At 8:45 a.m. when the bell rang, Terri walked her stepson down the hall close to his class http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/details_emerge_about_the_day_k.html BUMPED Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: seahorse on June 23, 2010, 02:48:56 PM NEW BLINK POST: Mods please delete if inappropriate:http://blinkoncrime.com/2010/06/23/new-clues-in-kyron-horman-search-fact-or-fiction-you-decide/ New Clues In Kyron Horman Search: Fact or Fiction- You Decide I am bringing this forward after reading Blinks article. Lisa Fuhrer Pumala (Tanner Pumala's mother): [urlhttp://www.myspace.com/pebbles1800] [/url] Brian Pumala (Tanner's Dad): http://www.myspace.com/brianpuma (http://www.myspace.com/brianpuma) Ditto regarding the deletion if these are also inappropriate; here are the Facebook pages for Tanner's mom (Lisa Fuhrer Pumala) and Tanner's stepmom (Ann Pumala). http://www.facebook.com/#!/lpumala http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=1590795155&ref=search http://www.trulia.com/property/photos/3009392917-16230-NW-Sheltered-Nook-Rd-Portland-OR-97231#item-0 10 photos of the B.P. cozy house that is on the market. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: seahorse on June 23, 2010, 03:08:36 PM The Prairie Chicken
snip... What happened after that is unclear. . But these are additional reports from various sources that I find interesting: . Carol Moulton said the kids were supposed to report to their classes and be divided into small groups of a few students each. Each group was supposed to tour the science fair with a chaperone. Afterward, when they returned to their classes for roll call, Kyron wasn't there, she said. He apparently was not in any group and no one noticed. . In another report Zimmerman said everyone went into their classroom for the science fair and broke into parent-led groups of four or five. She wasn’t sure what group Kyron was in, but she said the last time she saw him was at 8:45, when the groups began going from class to class. . Again, according to the sheriff’s office, the stepmother saw the boy walking toward his classroom at 8:45 as she left the building but officials with Portland Public Schools said Horman’s teacher never saw him in class which started at 10 a.m. The teacher marked him absent. . Kyron's backpack and jacket were found in his classroom. The children pointed out to the teacher that Kyron was missing and she never called his parents. . Kristina Porter, Kyron's teacher has said that Terri Horman had previously told her that Kyron had an upcoming appointment but Porter didn't remember the date. She said she assumed he was at that appointment, having seen him with his step-mom that morning. . When Kyron didn’t get off the bus in the afternoon, his parents called police. . Gates said Saturday that police received a 9-1-1 call at 3:45 Friday afternoon. . Portland Public Schools spokesman Matt Shelby said two teachers saw Kyron with his stepmother and thought the two left school together. . Nora Schreiber, a Skyline parent and volunteer, said the school has three main entrances and one secure exit. Two of the doorways are near the main office and are monitored, while a third on the north side of the school is not. Kyron's classroom is adjacent to that door, which opens onto a rear parking lot. . I've heard it is now a criminal investigation. That can't be good. http://prairiechicken.blogspot.com/2010/06/pondering-disappearance-of-kyron-horman.html (I am going to stay silent until over the information is out or all the video's.) Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 23, 2010, 03:18:27 PM Thanks seahorse. From article
Portland Public Schools spokesman Matt Shelby said two teachers saw Kyron with his stepmother and thought the two left school together. Wow, if this is true. It is amazing in a way how little Kyron was hardly noticed that day, like he blended into the woodwork. How sad. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tracygirl on June 23, 2010, 03:40:56 PM WITNESSES Details emerge about the day Kyron Horman turned up missing Published: Saturday, June 05, 2010, 11:21 PM Updated: Friday, June 18, 2010, 5:02 PM They arrived sometime after the school opened about 8 a.m., went to his classroom, dropped off his coat and backpack and he showed his stepmother his exhibit, "The Red-Eyed Tree Frog." ... Although the school usually opens at 8:35 a.m. and the final bell rings 10 minutes later, the school opened as early as 8 Friday for the science fair, said Matt Shelby, spokesman for Portland Public Schools. Other students and parents showed up early as well to check out the fair, and Terri and Kyron saw people they knew while looking at the exhibits, Carol Moulton said. Terri often volunteers at the school, working closely with Kyron's teacher, Kristina Porter. Shelby said that Porter saw Kyron in her classroom with his stepmom before 8:45 a.m. and another instructor reported seeing him in another classroom at some point. At 8:45 a.m. when the bell rang, Terri walked her stepson down the hall close to his class http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/details_emerge_about_the_day_k.html BUMPED Thanks Janet. The teacher said she saw Kyron and Terri in her classroom before 8:45 and another teacher reported seeing him in another classroom at some point. So are we to understand this as, Miss Porter saw Kyron and Terri that morning in her classroom and another teacher saw just Kyron in her class without Terri at some point that morning? Why not say the time? I think when you consider the statement of the child along with this time frame, Kyron was in the classroom at 8:45 when the bell rang and he was placed in the group as was planned. Everyone then left to tour the fair but Kyron did not come back. jmo Terri's mom, Carol Moulton when telling the story to the press had stated Terri and Kyron had got into Terri's car, she didn't say the truck. I would think if she took the truck that morning or if she normally drove the truck she would have said they got into terri's truck, but she said car. So did she take the truck? Seems it is being said she took a car I found that interesting. Was someone working on the truck or was it having problems that day? Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Love2Read on June 23, 2010, 03:44:00 PM This may have been discussed previously, but if so, I've missed it. Who is this standing in front of Kyron's project? http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=1365626&id=1264414625&fbid=1489640002015#!/photo.php?pid=1365627&id=1264414625&fbid=1489640042016 Mediamama, that is not Kyrons project, that is a classmate Kurtis posing with his own project. The boys must be friends outside of school too, it looks like Kurtis and Kyron out together in some of the other facebook pics. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tracygirl on June 23, 2010, 03:54:39 PM This may have been discussed previously, but if so, I've missed it. Who is this standing in front of Kyron's project? http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=1365626&id=1264414625&fbid=1489640002015#!/photo.php?pid=1365627&id=1264414625&fbid=1489640042016 Do you mean who is in the reflection or the man that is there looking at the other exhibit? Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: novella on June 23, 2010, 03:55:52 PM I find it strange that she writes so much information about Kyron's project under his photographs in facebook. Yet she barely writes any comments about any of the other photos with the other children.
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Nut44x4 on June 23, 2010, 04:32:33 PM O/T Doug Stewart/Venus Rose Stewart's Husband has been arrested for her murder
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=7736.msg1168148#new Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tracygirl on June 23, 2010, 04:34:40 PM This may have been discussed previously, but if so, I've missed it. Who is this standing in front of Kyron's project? http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=1365626&id=1264414625&fbid=1489640002015#!/photo.php?pid=1365627&id=1264414625&fbid=1489640042016 Do you mean who is in the reflection or the man that is there looking at the other exhibit? lol I found the next button Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: seahorse on June 23, 2010, 04:35:04 PM Thanks seahorse. From article Portland Public Schools spokesman Matt Shelby said two teachers saw Kyron with his stepmother and thought the two left school together. Wow, if this is true. It is amazing in a way how little Kyron was hardly noticed that day, like he blended into the woodwork. How sad. No Rose, You are welcome. I am beginning to be puzzled, wow. His jacket and backpack were hung in the locker or closet, that is also painful, how could they not miss that smile? When I find the link again I will post. Good observation about the car, did her husband bring the truck along on the Boy Scouts trip? I'm thinking out loud, maybe, it didn't have gas or needed maintenance, since, we know it was towed later on. The Journalist may have not followed-up with a question, Carole must have mean't truck. I checked out SM house on the internet, only one bathroom in their house. Four bedrooms and one bathroom, yes, I know it isn't relevant but I like alot details. Nancy Grace briefly covered Kyron last night, I am glad she gave him air time. NG is geniunely interested in Kyron. SM must be tearing off her energy bar wrapper's with her teeth by now. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tamikosmom on June 23, 2010, 05:00:06 PM Are the winesses the same teachers in both reports?
Either Kyron and Terri were observed leaving the school together or they weren't. What is the "thought" all about? Janet +++++++ Boy disappears during school science fair Last Update: 6/07 3:07 pm Portland Public Schools spokesman Matt Shelby said two teachers saw Kyron with his stepmother and thought the two left school together. He said it was common for parents to pick up kids this way, so no suspicions were raised. http://www.woai.com/news/local/story/Boy-disappears-during-school-science-fair/Gi7-K7D_m0yqxv8hz4H6GA.cspx Details emerge about the day Kyron Horman turned up missing Published: Saturday, June 05, 2010, 11:21 PM Updated: Friday, June 18, 2010, 5:02 PM Although the school usually opens at 8:35 a.m. and the final bell rings 10 minutes later, the school opened as early as 8 Friday for the science fair, said Matt Shelby, spokesman for Portland Public Schools. Other students and parents showed up early as well to check out the fair, and Terri and Kyron saw people they knew while looking at the exhibits, Carol Moulton said. Terri often volunteers at the school, working closely with Kyron's teacher, Kristina Porter. Shelby said that Porter saw Kyron in her classroom with his stepmom before 8:45 a.m. and another instructor reported seeing him in another classroom at some point. http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/details_emerge_about Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: seahorse on June 23, 2010, 05:24:28 PM http://www.mylife.com/terrimoulton
Have you seen this tiny picture of "red squirrel" (on the bottom of the link). Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Wyks on June 23, 2010, 06:07:13 PM Artwork by Kyron (http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq117/Wyks_/Kyron/Kyron_Squirl_KGWnews.jpg) (http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq117/Wyks_/Kyron/Kyron_Sun_KGWnews.jpg) http://www.kgw.com/news/slideshows/Photos-Missing-boy-Kyron-Horman-95777234.html?gallery=y&c=y&img=0 (http://www.kgw.com/news/slideshows/Photos-Missing-boy-Kyron-Horman-95777234.html?gallery=y&c=y&img=0) *Note: Think there is any significance in either of these pics by Kyron? Just curious what y'all think. Any child-art-experts out there? :) Looks like Kyron has a great deal of talent far beyond his years! IMO. Sigh... Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: NCSunny on June 23, 2010, 06:10:14 PM http://www.mylife.com/terrimoulton Have you seen this tiny picture of "red squirrel" (on the bottom of the link). Seahorse, I haven't got an account there, but if you are talking about the boat pic, looks like SM was a wild one. Judging from her pics during her bodybuilding days, I would say she was. But that alone doesn't give her motive to harm Kyron. It seems to me that Skyline school was very lax in their security/student's absencies. Why didn't Kyron's teacher double-check the doc appt. date? This was a busy day with a lot of activities planned. Surely she would check to see if he would be in attendance for the talent show when SM mentioned the appt. I have heard there was a substitute, there wasn't a substitute, but in the interview with Kyron's friend Kurtis, he does mention a substitute. It has been reported that KH was off early from work the day Kyron disappeared [which was out of the norm for him.] If he would go to the trouble to get off early, for whatever reason, why not plan to attend the talent show? Sorry for the long post...there are so many issues with this case it is making me nuts. Poor little fellow, so talented and smart, always smiling... seems no one paid any attention to him. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: NCSunny on June 23, 2010, 06:13:49 PM Artwork by Kyron (http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq117/Wyks_/Kyron/Kyron_Squirl_KGWnews.jpg) (http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq117/Wyks_/Kyron/Kyron_Sun_KGWnews.jpg) http://www.kgw.com/news/slideshows/Photos-Missing-boy-Kyron-Horman-95777234.html?gallery=y&c=y&img=0 (http://www.kgw.com/news/slideshows/Photos-Missing-boy-Kyron-Horman-95777234.html?gallery=y&c=y&img=0) *Note: Think there is any significance in either of these pics by Kyron? Just curious what y'all think. Any child-art-experts out there? :) Looks like Kyron has a great deal of talent far beyond his years! IMO. Sigh... I know, he is very talented for his age, his artwork is amazing. It seems as though he went unnoticed by everyone. :( Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: seahorse on June 23, 2010, 06:42:35 PM Artwork by Kyron (http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq117/Wyks_/Kyron/Kyron_Squirl_KGWnews.jpg) (http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq117/Wyks_/Kyron/Kyron_Sun_KGWnews.jpg) http://www.kgw.com/news/slideshows/Photos-Missing-boy-Kyron-Horman-95777234.html?gallery=y&c=y&img=0 (http://www.kgw.com/news/slideshows/Photos-Missing-boy-Kyron-Horman-95777234.html?gallery=y&c=y&img=0) *Note: Think there is any significance in either of these pics by Kyron? Just curious what y'all think. Any child-art-experts out there? :) Looks like Kyron has a great deal of talent far beyond his years! IMO. Sigh... I know, he is very talented for his age, his artwork is amazing. It seems as though he went unnoticed by everyone. :( I have an Art Degree, if that counts, LOL, no I didnt get the degree off the internet:) I can see the SM worked with him a lot and nutured his talents, he chose vivid, happy colors. His drawings almost dance they are so alive! SM was a good parent until she turned 40, just my view on her. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: seahorse on June 23, 2010, 06:58:30 PM http://www.mylife.com/terrimoulton Have you seen this tiny picture of "red squirrel" (on the bottom of the link). Seahorse, I haven't got an account there, but if you are talking about the boat pic, looks like SM was a wild one. Judging from her pics during her bodybuilding days, I would say she was. But that alone doesn't give her motive to harm Kyron. It seems to me that Skyline school was very lax in their security/student's absencies. Why didn't Kyron's teacher double-check the doc appt. date? This was a busy day with a lot of activities planned. Surely she would check to see if he would be in attendance for the talent show when SM mentioned the appt. I have heard there was a substitute, there wasn't a substitute, but in the interview with Kyron's friend Kurtis, he does mention a substitute. It has been reported that KH was off early from work the day Kyron disappeared [which was out of the norm for him.] If he would go to the trouble to get off early, for whatever reason, why not plan to attend the talent show? Sorry for the long post...there are so many issues with this case it is making me nuts. Poor little fellow, so talented and smart, always smiling... seems no one paid any attention to him. Sunny, It is another one other than the boat pic, (tiny picture) scroll down past the recruit message, it is worth scrolling for the guy she is with has Popeye muscles. I would sue the school (if I were her) but, Sunny ,it hasn't been confirmed if Kyron was at school. LE is requesting information from June 3 - June 4 on KH, does that tell us something? The Sheriff isn't convinced he was at school on June 4, if he wants Store front video's, from June 3-June 4. SM could have tossed his jacket and Backpack on the desk. The day of June 4, apparently disorganization ruled the day, Kyron was scheculed to be in the talent show, reportly. The Teach should have rechecked the date of the appt., you are right. My opinion is SM may be manipulative and confused the already confused teacher. Sunny, how could no one have missed Kyron's smile? He makes me laugh so much because he is alway's having fun or was:( Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: seahorse on June 23, 2010, 07:12:59 PM Kyron Horman, Police request video footage As the search for Kyron Horman enters its 11th day, detectives with the Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office have requested video footage from neighboring traffic locations where Kyron was last seen. [ The MCSO are seeking video footage from June 3rd and June 4th and ask anyone who captured footage on cellphones or video cameras contact the tip line. snip.. http://primewriter.com/news-1246-headlines/?p=7435 Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tamikosmom on June 23, 2010, 07:27:53 PM http://blogs.wweek.com/news/2010/06/22/kyron-horman-update-man-spotted-in-photo-from-stepmoms-facebook-page/ Obviously it took these people this long to discover people in the background of these photo's. They were noted early on and I believe a photo specialist for LE has already seen the man in the science pic alone, as well as the man with the plaid shirt and little girl. Alot of this media's reporting is shoddy and about speculation without actual factual basis. Journalists that create hyperbole to get ratings. This paper needs to sit on the shelves with the Enquirer, and Star. IMHO A couple of facts that I wonder about is that we know via witness accounts that Teri Horman and Kyron were seen early that morning of the 4th, aprox. 8:15 a.m. That gives a thirty min. window before grouping. Do we know how many students are in Kyron's class? If there was one parent chaperone per every 4-5 students, and say the teacher took a group as well as the assistant, how many adults were there in the room. Was this a preassigned grouping or was it done right there on the spot? I wish we knew a parent from that school. I am trying to figure out how the grouping transpired. Meaning if parents were assigned their students, who was assigned Kyron? Or was he never assigned because he never made it to class at 8:45? The teacher claims she spoke to Terri in the crowded gym, is she sure that it was Terri with all of the parents and commotion? Who else saw Terri in the gym at the school? I am sure she had to have talked to someone. Did the teacher see Kyron? What time were they in the gym? When the photo of Kryon beside his project is considered ... there does not appear to be any commotion in that gym. IMO Janet BUMPED Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: NCSunny on June 23, 2010, 07:29:06 PM Artwork by Kyron (http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq117/Wyks_/Kyron/Kyron_Squirl_KGWnews.jpg) (http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq117/Wyks_/Kyron/Kyron_Sun_KGWnews.jpg) http://www.kgw.com/news/slideshows/Photos-Missing-boy-Kyron-Horman-95777234.html?gallery=y&c=y&img=0 (http://www.kgw.com/news/slideshows/Photos-Missing-boy-Kyron-Horman-95777234.html?gallery=y&c=y&img=0) *Note: Think there is any significance in either of these pics by Kyron? Just curious what y'all think. Any child-art-experts out there? :) Looks like Kyron has a great deal of talent far beyond his years! IMO. Sigh... I know, he is very talented for his age, his artwork is amazing. It seems as though he went unnoticed by everyone. :( I have an Art Degree, if that counts, LOL, no I didnt get the degree off the internet:) I can see the SM worked with him a lot and nutured his talents, he chose vivid, happy colors. His drawings almost dance they are so alive! SM was a good parent until she turned 40, just my view on her. Well, I sure appreciate your opinion. I don't have a degree, but studied art for several years. It would be hard not to notice his artwork. Someone definitely cares about him, taking the time to help with the project, but do we know it was SM [who claims only to have assisted with the laminating?] Someone helped, but not sure who. Looking through various photos SM took of the family, I notice that rarely is Kyron the subject of the photo, he is just usually near by. What is your opinion on her attitude/change in importance of things in her life? I hate to speculate on rumors and everything I see written about her, but there is something going on with her. And I would also like to know more about KH. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: cartfly on June 23, 2010, 07:47:41 PM Try this one for TMH's FB pics http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=1365626&id=1264414625&fbid=1489640002015#!/photo.php?pid=1365625&id=1264414625&fbid=1489639882012 Hmmm, not sure if that one will work either. Try cutting and pasting the whole link. Anyone notice in Kyron's picture with his project on the top left (torwards front of class room) there is a project set up with a green background. Now look at photo #32 on the facebook of a classmate with his project. (It is also on the green eyed tree frog) If this was taken that morning this would be another child who could vouch for Kyron and SM, right? I just never noticed this picture before of this other child. I guess Jane with Issues reads here.... lol Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: seahorse on June 23, 2010, 08:34:11 PM Artwork by Kyron (http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq117/Wyks_/Kyron/Kyron_Squirl_KGWnews.jpg) (http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq117/Wyks_/Kyron/Kyron_Sun_KGWnews.jpg) http://www.kgw.com/news/slideshows/Photos-Missing-boy-Kyron-Horman-95777234.html?gallery=y&c=y&img=0 (http://www.kgw.com/news/slideshows/Photos-Missing-boy-Kyron-Horman-95777234.html?gallery=y&c=y&img=0) *Note: Think there is any significance in either of these pics by Kyron? Just curious what y'all think. Any child-art-experts out there? :) Looks like Kyron has a great deal of talent far beyond his years! IMO. Sigh... I know, he is very talented for his age, his artwork is amazing. It seems as though he went unnoticed by everyone. :( I have an Art Degree, if that counts, LOL, no I didnt get the degree off the internet:) I can see the SM worked with him a lot and nutured his talents, he chose vivid, happy colors. His drawings almost dance they are so alive! SM was a good parent until she turned 40, just my view on her. Well, I sure appreciate your opinion. I don't have a degree, but studied art for several years. It would be hard not to notice his artwork. Someone definitely cares about him, taking the time to help with the project, but do we know it was SM [who claims only to have assisted with the laminating?] Someone helped, but not sure who. Looking through various photos SM took of the family, I notice that rarely is Kyron the subject of the photo, he is just usually near by. What is your opinion on her attitude/change in importance of things in her life? I hate to speculate on rumors and everything I see written about her, but there is something going on with her. And I would also like to know more about KH. It wonderful that you and the Monkey's appreciate Kyron's work, you have a good eye, I hope you are dabbling or doodling anything to keep the juices flowing with creativity. I have found out I can't wait for the Angel of the Lord to do my work. I believe it is the Monkey artists with the Avatar's that keep all of all aware of beauty. The art degree is a piece of paper, it is consistent practice and dedication that is the key with any ability. Thank-you for the reality check, come to think of it the colors are a little too perfect, SM may have have a hand in Kyron work, LOL, a lot of maturity in his work and experience beyond his years. What do I think of SM attitudes? SM was a Star at one time, a body building star, once you are a star nothing can compare to the high's from reaching a goal, you are almost drunk with joy,working and sacrificing your life away for something you love. I think she remembered the glory days, and was frustrated and resentful to anyone that she felt was in her way. SM may be in a time warp. I think she likes a good challenge and she may just have it with LE. Why does she related to Squirrel's? Do you have any idea? (LOL) Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Love2Read on June 23, 2010, 08:53:36 PM I think Kyron is a very talented little boy and I pray they find him alive.
I hate to say it, but that second picture scares me. Look at the face, there is a smile painted on, but the eyes are not "smiling". Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Wyks on June 23, 2010, 09:53:51 PM Thanks all for your input on those pictures. :) It helps to see things from another's perspective, that's for sure.
When I look at the first pic, am not sure if it's supposed to be a squirrel or a chipmunk. Am thinking squirrel, because of Terri's nickname and all. But whichever it is, it holding one nut. Check out the two others nuts at the top of the pic. Far away from the squirrel, out of reach. One large, one smaller. And up there with them is what looks like a white feather. No color at all. Why? Could the squirrel represent Terri, the nut she is holding represent baby sis, and the other two nuts out of reach, represent Kyron and his bigger bro? Perhaps the sis being the only one that Terri cares about, is interested in? Is that how life felt like to Kyron, so much so that he draws his life in this pic? Maybe. Or maybe it's just a cute pic. Dunno. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: seahorse on June 23, 2010, 09:57:24 PM I think Kyron is a very talented little boy and I pray they find him alive. I hate to say it, but that second picture scares me. Look at the face, there is a smile painted on, but the eyes are not "smiling". Hi Love2Read & Monkey's, The eyes scare you because they are the SM eyes, don't they look like her eyes? Do you think she drew the picture? Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Wyks on June 23, 2010, 09:58:24 PM The pic of the sun, yes, the smile doesn't seem to reach the rest of the face. In fact, the eyes are red. Colored in that way they actually seem 'angry' eyes, to me. Anyone in Kyron's life with angry eyes and a smile? Or maybe himself?
Dunno. I could be reading too much into his pics. Or may be way off base. Although many psychs do look at children's artwork very carefully, as one way to express what's inside, that they don't have words for, yet. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 23, 2010, 09:59:50 PM Thanks all for your input on those pictures. :) It helps to see things from another's perspective, that's for sure. Very interesting thoughts. I thought it was a peace sign up in the right hand corner, never thought it was a feather, but I believe you are right, it is a feather.When I look at the first pic, am not sure if it's supposed to be a squirrel or a chipmunk. Am thinking squirrel, because of Terri's nickname and all. But whichever it is, it holding one nut. Check out the two others nuts at the top of the pic. Far away from the squirrel, out of reach. One large, one smaller. And up there with them is what looks like a white feather. No color at all. Why? Could the squirrel represent Terri, the nut she is holding represent baby sis, and the other two nuts out of reach, represent Kyron and his bigger bro? Perhaps the sis being the only one that Terri cares about, is interested in? Is that how life felt like to Kyron, so much so that he draws his life in this pic? Maybe. Or maybe it's just a cute pic. Dunno. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: mediamama on June 23, 2010, 10:03:55 PM This may have been discussed previously, but if so, I've missed it. Who is this standing in front of Kyron's project? http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=1365626&id=1264414625&fbid=1489640002015#!/photo.php?pid=1365627&id=1264414625&fbid=1489640042016 Mediamama, that is not Kyrons project, that is a classmate Kurtis posing with his own project. The boys must be friends outside of school too, it looks like Kurtis and Kyron out together in some of the other facebook pics. Thanks Love2Read. There's so much inconsistent info with this case, I can't keep everything straight! I wonder who Kurtis "belongs to" and what he and his parents have to say about that tragic day. :( Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tracygirl on June 23, 2010, 10:47:15 PM Artwork by Kyron (http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq117/Wyks_/Kyron/Kyron_Squirl_KGWnews.jpg) (http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq117/Wyks_/Kyron/Kyron_Sun_KGWnews.jpg) http://www.kgw.com/news/slideshows/Photos-Missing-boy-Kyron-Horman-95777234.html?gallery=y&c=y&img=0 (http://www.kgw.com/news/slideshows/Photos-Missing-boy-Kyron-Horman-95777234.html?gallery=y&c=y&img=0) *Note: Think there is any significance in either of these pics by Kyron? Just curious what y'all think. Any child-art-experts out there? :) Looks like Kyron has a great deal of talent far beyond his years! IMO. Sigh... I think he drew a squirrel because it is a common nick name for his step mom and something he heard about a lot. He probably learned how to draw it and he was reproducing it. The pic has nice colors, blue sky's, the eyes look kind. It doesn't have a threatening appearance at all. Lets say the nuts are a representation of the 3 kids, which I am not sure they are, the 3 nuts are all there with 2 above the mom which could mean they are valued. If the nut she is holding is representing the baby sis, well that would make sense, after all it she is still very young. I don't see anything unhealthy in the pic. The sun reminds me of an art project at school. At first I wondered why he made the sun blue which is usually associated with cold but then he used primary colors so not sure if that was part of the assignment or perhaps he was drawn to that color scheme. The eyes being red do not concern me because the mouth is also red along with other areas of the picture. It is in balance you could say. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Wyks on June 23, 2010, 11:17:42 PM My apologies if this has already been posted:
Is Sheriff's Office Questionnaire a 'Public Frame-Up' of Terri Moulton Horman By John Kays http://newsblaze.com/story/20100622060246kays.nb/topstory.html (http://newsblaze.com/story/20100622060246kays.nb/topstory.html) Stepmom - Terri Moulton Horman (http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq117/Wyks_/Kyron/Terri-Moulton-Horman.jpg) <snipped from long article.. see rest at above link> "A 'rush to judgment' is unfolding right before our very eyes. We are the people and the public that is taking the blows. The poor stepmother is being prosecuted, flogged in blogs, on Facebook and now by the Sheriff's Office with this skewed questionnaire. But who in the Portland community is going to stand up to this form of propaganda? Who will have the courage to say this is an improper law enforcement technique? Yea, Terri, you better hire a good attorney today!" Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: darla on June 23, 2010, 11:21:48 PM Good Evening Monkeys and Guest!
Just checking in on Kyron before going to bed. I do not see anything alarming or telling in Kyron's art work. He is really talented for his age. Everyone interprets art in different prospectives. I just see them as great pics done by a precious little boy. I have a fridge covered in artwork my 5 youngest have drawn and colored for me. I guess if some expert wanted to delve into them, they would say my crowd needed intervention as one of them colored his dog green with purple spots, and one is a pink cat. One draws cars with drills and flames coming out of it. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Wyks on June 23, 2010, 11:43:56 PM Am going to put a bunch of aerial pics of Kyron's school that I found online, into the Who's Who thread, for anyone interested. Here's the link:
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8168.20 (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8168.20) And then I'm gonna call it a night. Our lil village was hit by a mini tornado very early Tuesday morning. No injuries, one house hit by a falling tree, the community cleanup has been exhausting. See ya's all later. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Wyks on June 23, 2010, 11:50:12 PM (http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq117/Wyks_/Kyron/WS_KyronAvatar.jpg) Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Itaryl Moosee on June 23, 2010, 11:52:40 PM With all due respect, and said in the nicest way...
If TH was there at the school that morning, and if the story of the pings is wrong, and if she did walk Kyron to 100 feet of his classroom, and if she went to do chores for the rest of the day, then the questionaire will just CLEAR her of all the innuendo that's been going on. ----- Sure, the culprit could be a sex offender who saw the opportunity to take Kyron, or a school employee who also saw an opportunity that morning, or maybe a family member or someone known to the family who was up for revenge. But, with the information that is "out there" we also have to include in that sea of suspects the person who was last seen with Kyron, and the person whose alibi seems a bit shaky. MOO. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: New Monkey on June 24, 2010, 12:01:14 AM "After being at the school today it is not somewhere close to town where someone who is not from around there would be able to see what is on the billboard of the school.
You would need to know where this school was, and be able to get out there, with a vehicle, to have taken a child. You would need to know the streets around there too, to get anywhere." Post #36 from someone who was at the school today. http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?t=369584 Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: cartfly on June 24, 2010, 02:46:02 AM Bombshell tonight.....(sorry I couldn't resist)
http://wweek.com/editorial/3633/14183/ (http://wweek.com/editorial/3633/14183/) BY JAMES PITKIN | jpitkin at wweek dot com [June 23rd, 2010] In the nearly three weeks since Kyron Horman disappeared, law enforcement officials, reporters and thousands of online commenters have focused their attention on the 7-year-old boy’s fractured family. The Sunday Oregonian devoted its front page June 20 to a story detailing relations between the boy’s biological mother and stepfather, who live in Medford, and his father and stepmom, who lived with Kyron in Portland. The headline called them a “close, supportive group.” But a WW review of dozens of court documents paints a very different portrait. These documents reveal a family that has at times been divided by rocky divorce, suspicion and—in the case of one uncle—sex abuse. This side of the family’s history takes on new emphasis as the investigation into the boy’s June 4 disappearance from Skyline Elementary School drags on. As first reported June 17 on wweek.com, sources in law enforcement say investigators are increasingly focusing on the stepmom’s whereabouts the day Kyron vanished. She’s the last person known to have seen the boy. When he disappeared, Kyron was living with his father, Kaine Horman, and stepmom, Terri Moulton Horman, at their $292,000 home off secluded Northwest Sheltered Nook Road. Kaine Horman is an Intel engineer who made $90,000 back in 2002, according to court records. Terri Moulton Horman is a former bodybuilder and ex-teacher who last worked for the Hillsboro School District, state records show. The Oregonian reports she gave birth to Kaine Horman’s daughter, Kiara, in December 2008. Kaine Horman had been married once before, to Kyron’s biological mother, who now goes by the name Desiree Young. Washington County Circuit Court records show Young was pregnant with Kyron, the couple’s only child, when she filed for divorce from Kaine in August 2002. She cited irreconcilable differences. What hasn’t been made public is the fact that, a month after filing for divorce, Young sought a restraining order against Kaine Horman, Kyron’s dad. At the time, she had a 7-year-old son from a previous marriage. In court documents, Young said she feared Kaine Horman would “remove our children from their residence.” It’s unclear whether the couple was living together at the time. Washington County Circuit Judge Donald Letourneau granted Young’s request, forbidding either her or Kaine Horman from taking the children without the other’s consent. According to Washington County Circuit Court records, Terri Moulton Horman has been married twice before and has a 16-year-old son, James Moulton, from her first marriage. She married her second husband, Richard Ecker, in 1996. He adopted James in 1998, court records show. Three years later, they filed for divorce. At the time the couple agreed James would stay with Terri Moulton Horman and visit Ecker three times a week. “I love him very much, and he calls me dad and always has,” Ecker wrote in court records. Although it’s not been made public, court records reveal that in 2008—a year after she married Kaine Horman—Terri Moulton Horman wrote the court, saying Ecker had ceased all contact with the family for three years. Washington County ordered him to start paying $493 a month, and the issue has since faded from the public record. That same year, Kaine Horman’s brother, Kristian Horman, was arrested for child molestation. Snohomish County Superior Court records say Kristian Horman, 32, was living with his girlfriend, her mother and his 1-year-old son in Bothell, Wash. On Oct. 24, 2008, the daughter of Kristian Horman’s ex-wife stayed at his house while his girlfriend was out of town. The records say Kristian Horman invited the girl, who was 15, to sleep in his bed. He massaged her back, then began rubbing her crotch. The girl left the bed and called her mother, and Kristian Horman apologized. When police interviewed him, Kristian Horman at first said he was asleep and couldn’t remember what had happened. Finally he confessed, according to court records, saying he was trying to “arouse and initiate relations” with the girl. Police asked Kristian Horman what he was thinking about after the girl pulled away. He then revealed there was a history of abuse in the Horman family, court records show, and said his grandfather had abused him. “He indicated that he was thinking about all the stuff his grandfather had done to him,” the court records say, “and remembering how he felt during the time.” Kristian Horman was sentenced June 16 to six months in jail. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: cookie on June 24, 2010, 07:54:02 AM when I look at Kyron's artwork, I see artwork by a 7 yr old child...:) jmo
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: newfie on June 24, 2010, 08:24:58 AM http://www.kgw.com/news/local/591-children-missing-in-OR-1114-in-WA-96973329.html
snipped PORTLAND -- The disappearance of seven year-old Kyron Horman is attracting widespread publicity. But, there are many other missing children who don't draw the same headlines. According to Oregon State Police, there are 591 missing children in the state. Washington reports 1,114 children are reported missing. Investigators said that, in roughly 95-97% of the cases, the missing children were runaways. Two- to three-percent involved custody issues. But occasionally, there were a few cases like Kyron Horman where a child disappears due to unknown circumstances. The second grader was last seen inside Skyline School on June 4th. Starr Lara said she understands the pain of not knowing. Her sister Jaime Grissim was last seen headed to Fort Vancouver High School in December of 1971. "You know it is just grief every day. It is very painful. And I think families can accept a lot of things but not knowing, that is really hard," she said. Community response will always be an important factor, according to police. If neighbors pull together by printing posters and getting the word out, a case will likely receive a lot more attention and potentially more clues. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: seahorse on June 24, 2010, 09:08:55 AM Thanks seahorse. From article NoRose,Portland Public Schools spokesman Matt Shelby said two teachers saw Kyron with his stepmother and thought the two left school together. Wow, if this is true. It is amazing in a way how little Kyron was hardly noticed that day, like he blended into the woodwork. How sad. The Staff Directory is listed on the right of the link below. I haven't yet connected the dot's for the Teach's. http://www.skylinek8.org/ Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: seahorse on June 24, 2010, 09:20:41 AM Am going to put a bunch of aerial pics of Kyron's school that I found online, into the Who's Who thread, for anyone interested. Here's the link: http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8168.20 (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8168.20) And then I'm gonna call it a night. Our lil village was hit by a mini tornado very early Tuesday morning. No injuries, one house hit by a falling tree, the community cleanup has been exhausting. See ya's all later. The photos look good. I added the link to Skyline Elementary School below your photos on Who's Who thread, in case anyone wishes to check out the staff, because it has been so puzzling of who is who at the school. I do not if the staff list will clear anything up but it is there for viewing as of this morning. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: seahorse on June 24, 2010, 09:29:09 AM The pic of the sun, yes, the smile doesn't seem to reach the rest of the face. In fact, the eyes are red. Colored in that way they actually seem 'angry' eyes, to me. Anyone in Kyron's life with angry eyes and a smile? Or maybe himself? Dunno. I could be reading too much into his pics. Or may be way off base. Although many psychs do look at children's artwork very carefully, as one way to express what's inside, that they don't have words for, yet. I am not trying to be a "wise guy" the sun is a portrait SM. Please tell a second and look at her and then the sun and you will see Kyron did a portrait of SM face in the drawing of the sun, of coarse this is my speculation. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: newfie on June 24, 2010, 10:28:43 AM I don't want to analyze the pics they seem normal and I do not see anything into them, but I believe the pic of the sun is a replica of Mexican Folk Art. It appears to be a project done in school. Of course this is purely my opinion and I respect those of others.
Jane V. had a brief bit on Kyron. Apparently there were 26 children in the class. If the groups were broken into 4-5 children I would think there would be between 4 and 6 chaperones. If the teacher was one, and the "sub/assistant" was one, that leaves aprox. 3 more adults to help out. There is no way Kyron would be missed. If he was with a group that would be known. Kyron never made it to the chaperoned tours, at least not with his class. Would Kyron just wander the fair without a group? My opinion is highly unlikely. Everyone states he is a good boy, which means he would follow the rules. I can't remember when they said they did a roll call for the day. The Tanner thing sticks out in my mind as well as the cool electric project. I am not sure what to think. Was this all before 8:45 a.m.? Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 24, 2010, 10:37:14 AM The pictures sure look good to me considering he is only seven years old, if I analyzed some of the pictures my kids drew, well..... I will say he is a good little artist. That is very concerning to me about the restraining order with the dad, I would like to hear more about that.
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Itaryl Moosee on June 24, 2010, 11:46:26 AM I am no expert on children's drawings, so I leave the interpretations to the pros. The only thing that calls my attention to the drawings is that the sun has red eyes. Red eyes to me represents anger, or apparent anger.
-------- From: http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/investigators_in_kyron_horman.html "If we released everything that we knew, we'd get all kinds of people that call in with all kinds of theories. What we want is when we get tips to get fresh information. If we get a call with details that haven't gone out, we know that person is a credible witness," Gates said. "That's integral to the case and that's going to help us solve it. When we release tidbits of information to the public, it's definitely in order to help us solve this case. "Until we solve this case, the public does not have a right to know the details. Once we solve the case, they have every right to." -- Kate Mather Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: seahorse on June 24, 2010, 12:26:26 PM "Mayor Asks For Help To ID Man In Kyron Picture"
http://www.kptv.com/video/24014601/index.html Video clip Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: seahorse on June 24, 2010, 12:31:34 PM The pictures sure look good to me considering he is only seven years old, if I analyzed some of the pictures my kids drew, well..... I will say he is a good little artist. That is very concerning to me about the restraining order with the dad, I would like to hear more about that. I am sorry I took the focus off Kyron, where do we find more information (if true) about Pop? Did the writer give a source for information on Pop? I am concerned about Pop, too, because he hasn't once thanked anyone for anything. I mean the volunteers, the divers, the Billboard donations, I find that very creepy, it is almost like he doesn't want KH to be found. The comment's were excellent concerning Kyron's work. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 24, 2010, 01:08:46 PM The pictures sure look good to me considering he is only seven years old, if I analyzed some of the pictures my kids drew, well..... I will say he is a good little artist. That is very concerning to me about the restraining order with the dad, I would like to hear more about that. I am sorry I took the focus off Kyron, where do we find more information (if true) about Pop? Did the writer give a source for information on Pop? I am concerned about Pop, too, because he hasn't once thanked anyone for anything. I mean the volunteers, the divers, the Billboard donations, I find that very creepy, it is almost like he doesn't want KH to be found. The comment's were excellent concerning Kyron's work. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: darla on June 24, 2010, 01:10:59 PM Bombshell tonight.....(sorry I couldn't resist) http://wweek.com/editorial/3633/14183/ (http://wweek.com/editorial/3633/14183/) BY JAMES PITKIN | jpitkin at wweek dot com [June 23rd, 2010] In the nearly three weeks since Kyron Horman disappeared, law enforcement officials, reporters and thousands of online commenters have focused their attention on the 7-year-old boy’s fractured family. The Sunday Oregonian devoted its front page June 20 to a story detailing relations between the boy’s biological mother and stepfather, who live in Medford, and his father and stepmom, who lived with Kyron in Portland. The headline called them a “close, supportive group.” But a WW review of dozens of court documents paints a very different portrait. These documents reveal a family that has at times been divided by rocky divorce, suspicion and—in the case of one uncle—sex abuse. This side of the family’s history takes on new emphasis as the investigation into the boy’s June 4 disappearance from Skyline Elementary School drags on. As first reported June 17 on wweek.com, sources in law enforcement say investigators are increasingly focusing on the stepmom’s whereabouts the day Kyron vanished. She’s the last person known to have seen the boy. When he disappeared, Kyron was living with his father, Kaine Horman, and stepmom, Terri Moulton Horman, at their $292,000 home off secluded Northwest Sheltered Nook Road. Kaine Horman is an Intel engineer who made $90,000 back in 2002, according to court records. Terri Moulton Horman is a former bodybuilder and ex-teacher who last worked for the Hillsboro School District, state records show. The Oregonian reports she gave birth to Kaine Horman’s daughter, Kiara, in December 2008. Kaine Horman had been married once before, to Kyron’s biological mother, who now goes by the name Desiree Young. Washington County Circuit Court records show Young was pregnant with Kyron, the couple’s only child, when she filed for divorce from Kaine in August 2002. She cited irreconcilable differences. What hasn’t been made public is the fact that, a month after filing for divorce, Young sought a restraining order against Kaine Horman, Kyron’s dad. At the time, she had a 7-year-old son from a previous marriage. In court documents, Young said she feared Kaine Horman would “remove our children from their residence.” It’s unclear whether the couple was living together at the time. Washington County Circuit Judge Donald Letourneau granted Young’s request, forbidding either her or Kaine Horman from taking the children without the other’s consent. According to Washington County Circuit Court records, Terri Moulton Horman has been married twice before and has a 16-year-old son, James Moulton, from her first marriage. She married her second husband, Richard Ecker, in 1996. He adopted James in 1998, court records show. Three years later, they filed for divorce. At the time the couple agreed James would stay with Terri Moulton Horman and visit Ecker three times a week. “I love him very much, and he calls me dad and always has,” Ecker wrote in court records. Although it’s not been made public, court records reveal that in 2008—a year after she married Kaine Horman—Terri Moulton Horman wrote the court, saying Ecker had ceased all contact with the family for three years. Washington County ordered him to start paying $493 a month, and the issue has since faded from the public record. That same year, Kaine Horman’s brother, Kristian Horman, was arrested for child molestation. Snohomish County Superior Court records say Kristian Horman, 32, was living with his girlfriend, her mother and his 1-year-old son in Bothell, Wash. On Oct. 24, 2008, the daughter of Kristian Horman’s ex-wife stayed at his house while his girlfriend was out of town. The records say Kristian Horman invited the girl, who was 15, to sleep in his bed. He massaged her back, then began rubbing her crotch. The girl left the bed and called her mother, and Kristian Horman apologized. When police interviewed him, Kristian Horman at first said he was asleep and couldn’t remember what had happened. Finally he confessed, according to court records, saying he was trying to “arouse and initiate relations” with the girl. Police asked Kristian Horman what he was thinking about after the girl pulled away. He then revealed there was a history of abuse in the Horman family, court records show, and said his grandfather had abused him. “He indicated that he was thinking about all the stuff his grandfather had done to him,” the court records say, “and remembering how he felt during the time.” Kristian Horman was sentenced June 16 to six months in jail. BUMPED FOR SEAHORSE Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Love2Read on June 24, 2010, 01:23:41 PM I think Kyron is a very talented little boy and I pray they find him alive. I hate to say it, but that second picture scares me. Look at the face, there is a smile painted on, but the eyes are not "smiling". Hi Love2Read & Monkey's, The eyes scare you because they are the SM eyes, don't they look like her eyes? Do you think she drew the picture? Hi Seahorse, yes I do think the eyes look like SM and they do look angry to me. I wonder if that is a look he saw often. I was also thinking about his classmate that said when he saw Kyron in the hall that Kyron told him he was going to see the "cool" electric project. I think I read somewhere that he wanted to be an electrician when he grew up. Maybe he was lured away to look at an electric project and I wonder if there really was an electric project on display that day. Seems like there would be, but you never know. Someone known to him would know that he liked electricity. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Itaryl Moosee on June 24, 2010, 01:28:14 PM There is no way to know what one would do in a similar situation.
But, I have thought about it and, if I were in a similar situation, I would be at the school board building asking for the heads of those who allowed my child to either walk out of the school or be taken so easily by some stranger. And, I would MOST possibly talk to a competent attorney to sue the pants off the employees and the school board. Maybe nothing would come out of it, but maybe that could miraculously jog the memory of a few employees. I know it is the time for grieving, but I don't see how this family has allowed the school to get off that easily. IMO. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: cartfly on June 24, 2010, 02:01:13 PM The pictures sure look good to me considering he is only seven years old, if I analyzed some of the pictures my kids drew, well..... I will say he is a good little artist. That is very concerning to me about the restraining order with the dad, I would like to hear more about that. I agree the art is very nice for a 7 year old. He sure has talent. The sun looks like (someone up stream mentioned this too) the mayan aztec type suns you in garden stores. The eyes on one of my garden trinkets has the same shape. Yes, I found it very disturbing to see a restraining order against bio-dad back in the day. It could be nothing but IMO if a judge granted the order he had a real good reason to do so.Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 24, 2010, 02:18:17 PM The pictures sure look good to me considering he is only seven years old, if I analyzed some of the pictures my kids drew, well..... I will say he is a good little artist. That is very concerning to me about the restraining order with the dad, I would like to hear more about that. I agree the art is very nice for a 7 year old. He sure has talent. The sun looks like (someone up stream mentioned this too) the mayan aztec type suns you in garden stores. The eyes on one of my garden trinkets has the same shape. Yes, I found it very disturbing to see a restraining order against bio-dad back in the day. It could be nothing but IMO if a judge granted the order he had a real good reason to do so.Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: MuffyBee on June 24, 2010, 03:08:25 PM http://www.examiner.com/x-34328-Seattle-Headlines-Examiner~y2010m6d23-Kyron-Horman-Update-Details-emerge-about-Kyrons-uncle-charged-in-child-molestation-case
Kyron Horman Update: Details emerge about Kyron’s uncle charged in child molestation case June 23, 2010 (http://image3.examiner.com/images/blog/replicate/EXID34328/images/100623152617Kyron_Horman_uncle_Kristian_Scott_Horman_in_jail_for_child_molestation_KIRO_TV.jpg) Kyron Horman uncle Kristian Scott Horman in jail for child molestation une 23, 2010 - Kyron Horman, the 7-year-old Portland boy who went missing from Skyline Elementary School June 4, has caught national attention. On June 16 his uncle from Seattle was arrested on charges of 3rd degree child molestation. There has been question as to whether the uncle’s arrest and Kyron’s case are in any way related. Details about the molestation Kyron’s uncle, Kristian Scott Horman, 32, was initially arraigned in March 2009 for alleged child molestation in 2008. It has been reported the abused child was Kristian’s teen niece. However, during a phone interview Monday with Snohomish County Prosecutor, Hal Hupp, he said, “The child was not Kristian’s niece. There was no biological relation to Kristian.” Hupp continued, “They were in the same house, in the same bed when it happened." "There were two underage children in the bed at the time the molestation took place," he said. "The second child was uninvolved.” According to Snohomish County Superior Court records Kristian was living with his girlfriend at the time of the molestation. Also living in the home were his girlfriend’s mother and his 1-year-old son. They lived in Bothell, Washington. On October 24, 2008, the daughter of Kristian Horman’s ex-wife stayed at his house while his girlfriend was out of town. The girl was 15 at the time. According to court records, Kristian invited her to sleep in his bed. He "massaged her back" and then began "rubbing her crotch." The girl knew what Kristian was doing was wrong, left the bed, and called her mother. Kristian apologized at the time. He first told police he was asleep and couldn’t remember what happened, but finally confessed. Court records indicate he was trying to arouse and initiate relations with the 15-year-old. When asked what he was thinking, Kristian told police he was himself abused as a child by his own grandfather. Court records say he was thinking about all of the things his grandfather had done to him and remembering how he felt during the time. Cases related? According to Snohomish County Prosecutor Hal Hupp, the cases are not related and Kristian’s recent jail sentence had nothing to do with Kyron. “The child molestation case occurred two years ago and the uncle was just found guilty and jailed on June 16,” Hupp said. “Kyron was not the molested child in that case.” When asked if Kristian Horman’s child molestation conviction in Seattle, Wash., was part of the investigation in Kyron’s case in Portland, Multnomah County Sheriff’s office spokeswoman, Lt. Mary Lindstand, said, “Yes, I can say that it is part of the investigation.” Clearing up misconceptions There have been rumors that the “arrest” of the uncle came so close to the date Kyron went missing, that people believe his arrest was somehow connected to Kyron’s disappearance. Hupp pointed out that Kristian was not arrested. Kristian’s child molestation trial was scheduled months ago for June 16. He said, “There’s a misconception that Kristian was arrested in 2009. He was not arrested, he was charged.” “There has to be probable cause to make an arrest. In sex offense cases, as in other criminal cases, an investigation has to take place,” he said. “The prosecutor’s office has to follow-up with police, a court date has to be set. If the person is arrested they are typically released on bail and they are then out of custody.” “If police make an immediate arrest they only have 72 hours to make a determination for charging the accused,” Hupp said. The case was heard that day. Snohomish County Sheriff’s office spokeswoman, Rebecca Hover, told Examiner.com Monday, “In February 2009 the judge ordered parole with conditions in Kristian’s molestation case.” “The bench trial took place on June 16,” she said, “Which is when the judge found Kristian guilty of 3rd degree child molestation and he began serving his sentence that day. He’ll be in jail less than a year.” Asked if Snohomish County Sheriff’s office is involved in Kyron’s case, Hover said, “We are sharing information about our case with investigators in Kyron’s case." According to news reports, Kristian was sentenced to six months in Snohomish County Jail. The process "The process takes time," Hupp says. "It is vital that a thorough investigation take place to ensure the best outcome in these cases. It can take up to a year or more to gather all of the evidence, wait for DNA results, do interviews, and so on." There are a myriad of things that can delay the process such as waiting for lab results and waiting for reports from experts, he said. Once a trial date is set, and if the person is found to be guilty, they are sentenced and begin their jail or prison time. “It’s important to remember that a person is innocent until proven guilty,” Hupp said. “It’s also important to remember that when children are involved, as in this case, the children are protected during the process.” When asked if Kristian Horman has been required to register as a sex offender, Hupp said, “No, not yet. He will be required to register when he is released.” According to court records, Kristian Horman was initially scheduled for arraignment March 6, 2009, when he would hear the allegations against him. A trial date set for May 15, 2009, was continued. On February 9, 2009, a “no contact order” was issued to Kristian. Trial was once again continued to September 25, 2009, then again to January 29, 2010. On April 21, 2010, the trial date was once again changed to June 16, 2010. The court heard the case June 16, 2010, when Kristian was found guilty of 3rd degree child molestation. He was read his rights and began serving his sentence that day. Kristian is now a felon and as such was ordered to surrender his weapon on June 17, 2010. Drug and HIV tests were ordered. Kristian is now in jail serving out his six-month sentence. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: seahorse on June 24, 2010, 03:29:06 PM I think Kyron is a very talented little boy and I pray they find him alive. I hate to say it, but that second picture scares me. Look at the face, there is a smile painted on, but the eyes are not "smiling". Hi Love2Read & Monkey's, The eyes scare you because they are the SM eyes, don't they look like her eyes? Do you think she drew the picture? Hi Seahorse, yes I do think the eyes look like SM and they do look angry to me. I wonder if that is a look he saw often. I was also thinking about his classmate that said when he saw Kyron in the hall that Kyron told him he was going to see the "cool" electric project. I think I read somewhere that he wanted to be an electrician when he grew up. Maybe he was lured away to look at an electric project and I wonder if there really was an electric project on display that day. Seems like there would be, but you never know. Someone known to him would know that he liked electricity. Hi Love2Read & Monkey's, SM may have been strict, guessing, Kyron did not have one ounce of fat on him. Kyron was heading to the cool electric Science project. I wonder what time? Was he on his own in the hallway? Class start at 9:00 or 10:00? The Major has asked the public to identify the mysterious man in one of the photos. I hope NG covers Kyrons case, perhaps NG can make a break in Kyron's case. The 350 Questionnaire Flyers were returned in person on Sunday, how many questionnaires were returned via E-mail? How many cell phone videos, cam recorder, and storefront video were turned in? I find this really interesting the video request. Wouldn't it be something if Kyron's case was solved with video? Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: seahorse on June 24, 2010, 03:36:38 PM Darla,
Thank-you for bumping the article and for bolding the important parts. There is no cost to file a R.O. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: newfie on June 24, 2010, 03:50:49 PM That restraining order according to the article stated Desiree was afraid that Kaine would remove the children from their house. I wonder what that was all about? Was she afraid that he was going to abduct them? I wish we had more clarification. Sounds like the marriage was rocky. She filed for divorce while she was still pregnant with his child. Did he threaten to take the kids if she left him? Not that it is any of my business , but it could factor in on the family dynamics. No one knows what goes on behind closed doors.
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tracygirl on June 24, 2010, 03:58:45 PM So Kristian was in bed with his former step daughter and made the moves on her all the while thinking of this encounters with his grandfather? Where was his one year old son? What role was Kristian reliving in this fantasy that night? Was he his grandfather or was he his self? Was he apart of a 3 some as a child? Something tells me since he went after a girl he was.
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Wyks on June 24, 2010, 04:01:50 PM Thanks all for your comments re Kyron's artwork! It's interesting to get perspectives from others. :)
I dunno what to think about his uncle Kristian. On the one hand we get from the Snohomish County Prosecutor Hal Hupp, that the cases are not related and Kristian’s recent jail sentence had nothing to do with Kyron. On the other hand we get from the Multnomah County Sheriff’s office spokeswoman, Lt. Mary Lindstand, that the child molestation conviction in Seattle, Wash., was part of the investigation in Kyron’s case in Portland. She said, “Yes, I can say that it is part of the investigation.” Doesn't what one is saying contradict what the other is saying?? Or is it just me reading it wrong? And I dunno... 6 months doesn't seem like anything more than a slap on the hand. IMO. And he's serving that time in jail, not prison. <shakes head> Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tracygirl on June 24, 2010, 04:01:53 PM Snipped from the above article
"There were two underage children in the bed at the time the molestation took place," he said. "The second child was uninvolved.” Oh how much could I possibly disagree with something! The second child was very much involved by just being there. This is a sick man, very sick man. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tracygirl on June 24, 2010, 04:04:21 PM Wykes my take on it is, the case against Kristian horman that he was just arrested on had nothing to do with Kyron as in Kyron was not one of the victims.
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Wyks on June 24, 2010, 04:16:46 PM So Kristian was in bed with his former step daughter and made the moves on her all the while thinking of this encounters with his grandfather? Where was his one year old son? What role was Kristian reliving in this fantasy that night? Was he his grandfather or was he his self? Was he apart of a 3 some as a child? Something tells me since he went after a girl he was. According to the article upthread, Kristian was in bed with two minors when this happened, altho it seems that supposedly only one was molested. If his step-daughter, there is another one a bit younger than she. The 2008 article re his engagement to Stephenie Griggs says that "Kristian brings with him two lovely daughters: Mxxxxxx, age 15 and Mxxxxx, age 8." And that the couple have a 1 yr old son, Kxxxxxx. http://www.enterprisenewspapers.com/article/20081119/ETP29/711199831/-1/ETPZONESHL&template=ETPZoneSHLart (http://www.enterprisenewspapers.com/article/20081119/ETP29/711199831/-1/ETPZONESHL&template=ETPZoneSHLart) My impression of what they are saying here is that Kristian has two daughters, doesn't mention Stephanie having any daughters. Sooooooooooooooooooooooooooo... when we read that Kristian offended against a "step-daughter", I'm like whaaaaaa? Those two girls are his own daughters! Unless, of course, the 2008 article got the relationships wrong. So much confusion in this case with the step this, step that. But one thing is clear... Kristian molested a minor female, in his own bed, with another minor present in the same bed at the same time. LE says that minor was not Kyron. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: mediamama on June 24, 2010, 04:33:21 PM So Kristian was in bed with his former step daughter and made the moves on her all the while thinking of this encounters with his grandfather? Where was his one year old son? What role was Kristian reliving in this fantasy that night? Was he his grandfather or was he his self? Was he apart of a 3 some as a child? Something tells me since he went after a girl he was. According to the article upthread, Kristian was in bed with two minors when this happened, altho it seems that supposedly only one was molested. If his step-daughter, there is another one a bit younger than she. The 2008 article re his engagement to Stephenie Griggs says that "Kristian brings with him two lovely daughters: Mxxxxxx, age 15 and Mxxxxx, age 8." And that the couple have a 1 yr old son, Kxxxxxx. http://www.enterprisenewspapers.com/article/20081119/ETP29/711199831/-1/ETPZONESHL&template=ETPZoneSHLart (http://www.enterprisenewspapers.com/article/20081119/ETP29/711199831/-1/ETPZONESHL&template=ETPZoneSHLart) My impression of what they are saying here is that Kristian has two daughters, doesn't mention Stephanie having any daughters. Sooooooooooooooooooooooooooo... when we read that Kristian offended against a "step-daughter", I'm like whaaaaaa? Those two girls are his own daughters! Unless, of course, the 2008 article got the relationships wrong. So much confusion in this case with the step this, step that. But one thing is clear... Kristian molested a minor female, in his own bed, with another minor present in the same bed at the same time. LE says that minor was not Kyron. This case is uber-confusing with all the players involved. However - I believe I've read that the minor who was molested was Uncle Kristian's former stepdaughter - the bio-daughter of the woman he was married prior to Stephanie. And the other minor ("not involved, " my ass) was probably his new one-year-old that he has with Stephanie. All kinds of yuck in that particular branch of the family tree... Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Wyks on June 24, 2010, 04:46:27 PM Snipped from the above article "There were two underage children in the bed at the time the molestation took place," he said. "The second child was uninvolved.” Oh how much could I possibly disagree with something! The second child was very much involved by just being there. This is a sick man, very sick man. I am with you, TG! Very sick man! Not to mention that Kristian is/was a 'Junior Deacon' in the Masons. A supposed good man, pillar of the community, and all that rot. Even sicker, IMO. And yes, I agree, the 2nd child was a victim as well, just by being there. How on earth did it come to be that those minors were in his care anyway? He and Stephanie married on 12-20-2008, according to the Herald Net. In 2006 Kristian was in court for a divorce, so ok that is his ex-wife. In Nov of 2008 he was the respondent in a Protective Order Case in the Family Courts. Petitioner was the ex-wife. One month later he marries new gal Stephanie, and according to the engagement article brings his two daughters with him. How did he get custody of his two daughters/stepdaughters??? When one month previously his ex had taken him to court for a protective order? In 2009 he was charged with child molestation of the oldest of his daughters/stepdaughters. (not arrested, allowed to walk out of there until his 'trial'.) Found guilty on 4-21-2010, (not arrested, allowed to walk out of there until his sentencing date) and FINALLY he was sentenced/arrested on 6-16-2010. Evidently, Stephanie stood by him thruout, cuz there is no divorce record that can be found... yet. Who would stand by him? Where was those girls mom? Why were they living with him? <bangs head on keyboard> Am thinking had those girls not been in his care, there's every good chance this would not have happened. To those particular girls, anyway. <shakes head> Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tracygirl on June 24, 2010, 04:50:33 PM So Kristian was in bed with his former step daughter and made the moves on her all the while thinking of this encounters with his grandfather? Where was his one year old son? What role was Kristian reliving in this fantasy that night? Was he his grandfather or was he his self? Was he apart of a 3 some as a child? Something tells me since he went after a girl he was. According to the article upthread, Kristian was in bed with two minors when this happened, altho it seems that supposedly only one was molested. If his step-daughter, there is another one a bit younger than she. The 2008 article re his engagement to Stephenie Griggs says that "Kristian brings with him two lovely daughters: Mxxxxxx, age 15 and Mxxxxx, age 8." And that the couple have a 1 yr old son, Kxxxxxx. http://www.enterprisenewspapers.com/article/20081119/ETP29/711199831/-1/ETPZONESHL&template=ETPZoneSHLart (http://www.enterprisenewspapers.com/article/20081119/ETP29/711199831/-1/ETPZONESHL&template=ETPZoneSHLart) My impression of what they are saying here is that Kristian has two daughters, doesn't mention Stephanie having any daughters. Sooooooooooooooooooooooooooo... when we read that Kristian offended against a "step-daughter", I'm like whaaaaaa? Those two girls are his own daughters! Unless, of course, the 2008 article got the relationships wrong. So much confusion in this case with the step this, step that. But one thing is clear... Kristian molested a minor female, in his own bed, with another minor present in the same bed at the same time. LE says that minor was not Kyron. This case is uber-confusing with all the players involved. However - I believe I've read that the minor who was molested was Uncle Kristian's former stepdaughter - the bio-daughter of the woman he was married prior to Stephanie. And the other minor ("not involved, " my ass) was probably his new one-year-old that he has with Stephanie. All kinds of yuck in that particular branch of the family tree... Wykes the girl was the bio daughter of his former wife. It was his step daughter per the records. If that other child was the one year old son, then I can see why LE has said it is a part of their investigation. Yep all kinds of yuck going on. Blink had said something in one of her comments, she said it is as if the person that took Kyron was desperate to pick this particular time. I think she was thinking more along the lines of a person from the school given school was just about out, but also Uncle Kristian was facing jail time. What is the relationship between the 2 brothers? Could Uncle Kristian been reliving a fantasy and getting back at his brother at the same time? Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Nut44x4 on June 24, 2010, 04:55:09 PM I didn't see this posted.....may not have read back far enough.
Kyron Horman Update: Facebook Follower Claims Man in Photo Identified 12:55 PM June 24th Two days ago, we reported that an alert reader had found the image of a man in the background of a photo taken by the stepmom of missing 7-year-old Kyron Horman. Investigators are seeking information from anyone who saw stepmom Terri Moulton Horman at the school that day, as the man in the photo very well may have. Now, a commenter on a Facebook page devoted to the search for Kyron writes that the Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office has identified the man in the photo as a parent at Skyline Elementary School. It’s unclear, however, whether he’s been interviewed. The sheriff’s office has declined to comment on the photo and whether they’ve used it as part of their investigation. Here’s the comment from Facebook: see link http://blogs.wweek.com/news/2010/06/24/kyron-horman-update-facebook-follower-claims-man-in-photo-identified/ Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tracygirl on June 24, 2010, 04:57:14 PM Sorry wykes I just read your post that you put up while I was also posting....I see what you are saying. Yes, how did he get them?
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Wyks on June 24, 2010, 04:58:09 PM Wykes my take on it is, the case against Kristian horman that he was just arrested on had nothing to do with Kyron as in Kyron was not one of the victims. I understand that part of it, TG. I can seperate that out in my mind, and it makes sense if Kyron wasn't even there. Just kind of their family's rotten luck that Kristian is related and all. It's the other part that I cannot wrap my mind around. the child molestation conviction was part of the investigation in Kyron’s case... why?? how?? ... if it has nothing to do with Kyron in the first place? ~~ According to Lt. Mary Lindstand, the child molestation conviction in Seattle, Wash., was part of the investigation in Kyron’s case in Portland. She said, “Yes, I can say that it is part of the investigation.” Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Wyks on June 24, 2010, 05:16:18 PM Wykes the girl was the bio daughter of his former wife. It was his step daughter per the records. If that other child was the one year old son, then I can see why LE has said it is a part of their investigation. Yep all kinds of yuck going on. Blink had said something in one of her comments, she said it is as if the person that took Kyron was desperate to pick this particular time. I think she was thinking more along the lines of a person from the school given school was just about out, but also Uncle Kristian was facing jail time. What is the relationship between the 2 brothers? Could Uncle Kristian been reliving a fantasy and getting back at his brother at the same time? I hear ya, TG. Just cannot figure out, if those two girls were actually his step-daughters, why: (1) if the two girls were his ex's from a previous relationship, why when they split up, didn't the ex take them with her? why does it seem that she left her two daughters with him, if he's not their father? (2) his ex took him to court over those girls, why would she if he wasn't their father? (3) the engagement article says that HE brought to the marriage (bet him and Stephanie) HIS two daughters. (4) his conviction was in re to a step-daughter. So who has it wrong? the engagement article? Maybe they just opted to say daughters rather than step-daughters? Maybe he adopted them while married to the ex? Maybe there are different daughters? ackkkk.. trying to understand this convoluted mess. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Wyks on June 24, 2010, 05:20:24 PM Ok, we've got some busy goings-on at our house right now, will catch up with y'all a bit later on. :)
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: seahorse on June 24, 2010, 06:16:57 PM Thanks all for your comments re Kyron's artwork! It's interesting to get perspectives from others. :) I dunno what to think about his uncle Kristian. On the one hand we get from the Snohomish County Prosecutor Hal Hupp, that the cases are not related and Kristian’s recent jail sentence had nothing to do with Kyron. On the other hand we get from the Multnomah County Sheriff’s office spokeswoman, Lt. Mary Lindstand, that the child molestation conviction in Seattle, Wash., was part of the investigation in Kyron’s case in Portland. She said, “Yes, I can say that it is part of the investigation.” Doesn't what one is saying contradict what the other is saying?? Or is it just me reading it wrong? And I dunno... 6 months doesn't seem like anything more than a slap on the hand. IMO. And he's serving that time in jail, not prison. <shakes head> Wyks, Brandi (out of saintly patience) by my pesty request, Brandi alined the artwork of Kyron's along side with SM face. It is interesting. It is almost a Picasso-like portrait of his SM. http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4314.3840 Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Wyks on June 24, 2010, 06:23:14 PM Hmmm.. For those of you who know of my past, re my bio family.. and for those of you who have seen my former website and/or know my BIO last name.. you'll likely remember that I've said how I know for a fact that some in the cult manuever their way into careers in professional and high places.. and etc........ yada yada....
Now that there is 'a person in a high position' involving himself personally in Kyron's case, I'm a stepping on outta here, and will pray hard for Kyron. I think it's best. Am simply not interested in a family reunion. I completely sympathize with Kaine in that we cannot help who our bio relatives are. http://www.kptv.com/video/24014601/index.html (http://www.kptv.com/video/24014601/index.html) If anyone has a great deal of time on their hands, and want some interesting reading.... google the good mayor of portland. <hugs> to all...... Justice for Kyron!! Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: mymonkey on June 24, 2010, 06:25:47 PM I am praying that Kyron is still with us, can you imagine what is going thru his mind...why he is not with his loved ones....the little fella has to be scared, it just baffles me that he has not been found.
Prayers for Kyron...Lord please bring Kyron home. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: newfie on June 24, 2010, 06:37:41 PM Thanks MyMonkey.... what a beautiful gesture. I feel for his loved ones as well. I would be freaking out if it was me. I also would hate to be put under the microscope and all of my dirty laundry aired, but I guess in the name of finding my child I would endure it. The public can be cruel and hard on someone else's life, often forgetting that we all make mistakes, and none of us is perfect. You can see Kyron loves his family and would not want mean things said about them.They have released more family photos and they certainly show a little boy who is dearly loved. I too hope he is being kept somewhere and comes home bringing that bright cheery smile back to his family.
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: seahorse on June 24, 2010, 07:11:45 PM Videos of Kyron Horman released at the request of the family
http://www.koinlocal6.com/content/news/topstories/story/Videos-of-Kyron-Horman-released-at-the-request-of/Dz4uMChK60KCWjy3W5FG4Q.cspx Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: marycat on June 24, 2010, 07:13:02 PM Someone was asking a while back about Tanner's dad. I got distracted and didn't answer at that time, so someone may have already answered the question. If so. I apologize.
This is a link to his myspace page: http://www.myspace.com/brianpuma He says he is a 29 year old plumber who makes $150,000 to $250,000 a year. ****I want to be a plumber when I grow up :) Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: seahorse on June 24, 2010, 07:24:37 PM http://www.koinlocal6.com/content/news/topstories/story/Videos-of-Kyron-Horman-released-at-the-request-of/Dz4uMChK60KCWjy3W5FG4Q.cspx
The singing video is the very top right of the link with the arrow. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tracygirl on June 24, 2010, 07:25:18 PM http://www.koinlocal6.com/news/local/story/Videos-of-Kyron-Horman-released-at-the-request-of/Dz4uMChK60KCWjy3W5FG4Q.cspx
There are some videos at the link. Also some pics. He is such a sweet seeming child. Reminds me a lot of my 2nd son. Seems very sweet and quiet, very smart. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: seahorse on June 24, 2010, 07:32:15 PM http://www.koinlocal6.com/content/news/topstories/story/Videos-of-Kyron-Horman-released-at-the-request-of/Dz4uMChK60KCWjy3W5FG4Q.cspx The singing video is the very top right of the link with the arrow. Monkeys, What kind of age do we live in where people are missing children and they post videos? Someone please tell me is this normal? Kyron isn't on a class trip, this is a criminal case and they post videos? SM and Pop should be out greeting people at the Vigil's, SM should be handing out granola bars to the divers, publicly thanking people and they post videos? Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: seahorse on June 24, 2010, 07:40:04 PM http://www.kptv.com/slideshow/news/23822528/detail.html
101 new photos, courtesy of http://www.kptv.com/slideshow/news/23822528/detail.html Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tracygirl on June 24, 2010, 07:56:41 PM http://www.koinlocal6.com/content/news/topstories/story/Videos-of-Kyron-Horman-released-at-the-request-of/Dz4uMChK60KCWjy3W5FG4Q.cspx The singing video is the very top right of the link with the arrow. Monkeys, What kind of age do we live in where people are missing children and they post videos? Someone please tell me is this normal? Kyron isn't on a class trip, this is a criminal case and they post videos? SM and Pop should be out greeting people at the Vigil's, SM should be handing out granola bars to the divers, publicly thanking people and they post videos? With all do respect I don't think this family can do a thing without being called out on it and judged. Of course they wanted to release the video as it humanizes this child. Now we know his voice, we know how he moves, what his facial expressions are like. He is not just a name and a cute picture, he is actually a moving, talking little boy. We can also see just how tiny he is and just so precious. He seems so sweet, just an innocent little boy. This is heart breaking. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Love2Read on June 24, 2010, 07:57:12 PM Thanks all for your comments re Kyron's artwork! It's interesting to get perspectives from others. :) I dunno what to think about his uncle Kristian. On the one hand we get from the Snohomish County Prosecutor Hal Hupp, that the cases are not related and Kristian’s recent jail sentence had nothing to do with Kyron. On the other hand we get from the Multnomah County Sheriff’s office spokeswoman, Lt. Mary Lindstand, that the child molestation conviction in Seattle, Wash., was part of the investigation in Kyron’s case in Portland. She said, “Yes, I can say that it is part of the investigation.” Doesn't what one is saying contradict what the other is saying?? Or is it just me reading it wrong? And I dunno... 6 months doesn't seem like anything more than a slap on the hand. IMO. And he's serving that time in jail, not prison. <shakes head> Wyks, Brandi (out of saintly patience) by my pesty request, Brandi alined the artwork of Kyron's along side with SM face. It is interesting. It is almost a Picasso-like portrait of his SM. http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4314.3840 Seahorse, I am NO kind of art expert, but those eyes do look exactly like the SM's to me. He got that right on. (and to me they look mean) IDK, that pic of her wearing the t-shirt with Kyrons pic reminds me of Casey parading around in help find Caylee t's when she knew where that child was the whole time. I pray that this will not pan out the same way. Prayers for Kyron. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: marycat on June 24, 2010, 07:57:21 PM Those photos are adorable. His personality jumps off the page.
No photos of the SM in this latest release or did I overlook them? A couple with Mom, lots with Dad and Step Dad and James though. Did see where there is supposed to be a PC tomorrow minus SM? Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Nut44x4 on June 24, 2010, 08:04:17 PM He is a real cute kid, for sure. I wish I could believe he is okay someplace, but I think he has been dead from day one.
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tracygirl on June 24, 2010, 08:08:46 PM http://www.kptv.com/slideshow/news/23822528/detail.html 101 new photos, courtesy of http://www.kptv.com/slideshow/news/23822528/detail.html These pictures show such a happy little boy. He does have this air of sweetness, I keep saying that but it just pours out of him. It is nowofficial this little boy has completely stolen my heart. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tracygirl on June 24, 2010, 08:14:50 PM IF and I say IF and I am not convinced by a long shot, but IF SM is involved every step mother in america is going to have it out for her, including me! This child is a very precious little boy and a true gift to his entire family.
Nutt I agree with you, I look at his pic and I don't feel he is with us anymore. Just so sad.. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 24, 2010, 08:38:02 PM He is a real cute kid, for sure. I wish I could believe he is okay someplace, but I think he has been dead from day one. Me too. Interesting about a press conference tomorrow without the step mom.Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: seahorse on June 24, 2010, 08:42:44 PM Thanks all for your comments re Kyron's artwork! It's interesting to get perspectives from others. :) I dunno what to think about his uncle Kristian. On the one hand we get from the Snohomish County Prosecutor Hal Hupp, that the cases are not related and Kristian’s recent jail sentence had nothing to do with Kyron. On the other hand we get from the Multnomah County Sheriff’s office spokeswoman, Lt. Mary Lindstand, that the child molestation conviction in Seattle, Wash., was part of the investigation in Kyron’s case in Portland. She said, “Yes, I can say that it is part of the investigation.” Doesn't what one is saying contradict what the other is saying?? Or is it just me reading it wrong? And I dunno... 6 months doesn't seem like anything more than a slap on the hand. IMO. And he's serving that time in jail, not prison. <shakes head> Wyks, Brandi (out of saintly patience) by my pesty request, Brandi alined the artwork of Kyron's along side with SM face. It is interesting. It is almost a Picasso-like portrait of his SM. http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4314.3840 Seahorse, I am NO kind of art expert, but those eyes do look exactly like the SM's to me. He got that right on. (and to me they look mean) IDK, that pic of her wearing the t-shirt with Kyrons pic reminds me of Casey parading around in help find Caylee t's when she knew where that child was the whole time. I pray that this will not pan out the same way. Prayers for Kyron. Love2Read, Thank-you for your comment's. Isn't that something how she comes across? I must have read a thousand comments and all say the same thing as you, myself and all the feeling monkeys. Both parents come across as squirelly. I am no expert on anything, I agree she is Casey Anthony, relieved of her ball and chain. In nine years, Kyron would be able to drive and helping out with his sister, dropping her off at dance lesson, etc. I'm sure he was self-sufficient enough to microwave a bowl of mac & cheese, or clean the bathroom. I am going to say a little prayer hoping someone comes forward who needs 25,000 who may know what happened. The questions and opinion are mine, whose else would they be?:) Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: seahorse on June 24, 2010, 08:52:08 PM I read 400 people were at a Vigil recently, does anyone know if Kyron's family attended?
I am so sorry I didn't keep the link, maybe it was justice quest. http://www.justicequest.net/forums/forumdisplay.php?s=a3f9e9b261d231129e6f17411a5241b7&f=202 Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tracygirl on June 24, 2010, 08:55:12 PM Those photos are adorable. His personality jumps off the page. No photos of the SM in this latest release or did I overlook them? A couple with Mom, lots with Dad and Step Dad and James though. Did see where there is supposed to be a PC tomorrow minus SM? Marycat can you please include a link to where you have read this? Not that I don't trust you, but given this case has been riddled with rumor after rumor, it is a good idea to include a link to the information. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tracygirl on June 24, 2010, 09:05:49 PM Seahorse, I don't think there will ever be another casey anthony...
Perhaps I am not as conservative as you and that is fine, but I don't' see what you see with the parents. It seems there was a time she was into bodybuilding and had pics in swimsuits, to be honest with you that to me doesn't say she was indecent or acting wild or this was a precursor to murder. She left Kyron in a building filled with people, anyone could have taken him. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: seahorse on June 24, 2010, 09:13:32 PM Seahorse, I don't think there will ever be another casey anthony... Perhaps I am not as conservative as you and that is fine, but I don't' see what you see with the parents. It seems there was a time she was into bodybuilding and had pics in swimsuits, to be honest with you that to me doesn't say she was indecent or acting wild or this was a precursor to murder. She left Kyron in a building filled with people, anyone could have taken him. That is the fact as we know it, you have a good point. Until we find out different. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: marycat on June 24, 2010, 09:28:26 PM Tracygirl,
I thought I read it on this forum, so I didn't even think about providing a link. Sorry. I will look for it. I am not a very experienced poster yet :( Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: marycat on June 24, 2010, 09:36:53 PM Tracygirl,
Here is where I saw the info on the press conference. I was playing catchup reading a bunch all at once and assumed I missed the original reference to this. Maybe Nut or No Rose Colored knows more????? He is a real cute kid, for sure. I wish I could believe he is okay someplace, but I think he has been dead from day one. Me too. Interesting about a press conference tomorrow without the step mom.Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 24, 2010, 09:48:51 PM Tracygirl, I haven't read that, but I just thought it was interesting, guess we will have to wait until tomorrow and see what happens. It certainly would be odd if she wasn't at the press conference.Here is where I saw the info on the press conference. I was playing catchup reading a bunch all at once and assumed I missed the original reference to this. Maybe Nut or No Rose Colored knows more????? He is a real cute kid, for sure. I wish I could believe he is okay someplace, but I think he has been dead from day one. Me too. Interesting about a press conference tomorrow without the step mom.Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 24, 2010, 10:01:00 PM http://www.facebook.com/pages/Kyron-Horman-Open-Discussion/113113938734246 On here it says that the mystery man has been identified and is not a person of interest.
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: seahorse on June 24, 2010, 10:11:08 PM tennis2247
1 hour ago The scenario of this boy goes missing before he enters his classroom makes no sense. The boy is described as timid and shy and would never stray from class. Well if he didn't wander off then someone had to practically force him or persuade him to cut class. This also means this scenario had to have taken place with at the very least several witnesses because it took place in the hallway on the way to class. If nobody saw anything maybe its because this scenario never took place. Do the math. http://www.youtube.com/comment_servlet?all_comments=1&v=lhYoMH_fHC0 Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 24, 2010, 10:21:18 PM tennis2247 I agree with this, it makes no sense at all. I can't believe that someone would not have seen this happen.1 hour ago The scenario of this boy goes missing before he enters his classroom makes no sense. The boy is described as timid and shy and would never stray from class. Well if he didn't wander off then someone had to practically force him or persuade him to cut class. This also means this scenario had to have taken place with at the very least several witnesses because it took place in the hallway on the way to class. If nobody saw anything maybe its because this scenario never took place. Do the math. http://www.youtube.com/comment_servlet?all_comments=1&v=lhYoMH_fHC0 Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tamikosmom on June 24, 2010, 10:24:49 PM Home movies show Kyron Horman
Posted on June 24, 2010 at 2:01 PM Updated today at 5:10 PM PORTLAND, Ore. -- The family of Kyron Horman hopes some home videos will help the investigation. The first clip shows Kyron singing and whistling during a school play last month. You can see he's standing front and center, wearing dark blue jeans and glasses. Another clip from the same play showed kids clapping and doing hand and arm movements, with Kyron front and center. The final video clip is of Kyron in his classroom last April, giving an oral report about bridges. Kyron disappeared from Skyline Elementary on June 4. Video Clips: http://www.kgw.com/home/Home-movies-show-Kyron-Horman-97102679.html Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tamikosmom on June 24, 2010, 10:28:41 PM Family releases video of Kyron Horman
Jun 24, 2010 PORTLAND, Ore. - For the first time we are seeing video of 7-year-old Kyron Horman, who disappeared without a trace from his school nearly three weeks ago. The boy's family released home video on Thursday in the hopes it will help the case. It's the first time we have been able to hear the boy's voice and see his mannerisms. Meanwhile, the community has put ribbons and balloons up at Kyron's school, Skyline, in his honor. They want people to know that even though school is out for the summer, they are still thinking about him. Investigators are still taking tips. If you remember anything from the day Kyron went missing, do not hesitate to call. The tip line is (503) 261-2847. http://www.katu.com/news/local/97112729.html Video Clips: http://www.katu.com/news/local/97112729.html?tab=video Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: mymonkey on June 24, 2010, 10:35:25 PM We all have said when a child goes missing that a case can not get stranger...my opinion this is the absolute strangest I have seen thus far.
How can a child disappear into thin air. My prayer...Lord please let Kyron be found. Amen Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tracygirl on June 24, 2010, 10:38:50 PM The news that came out today regarding the uncle has me freaked out. It worries me that Kyron went missing so close to the sentencing, was this his last shot to fulfill a fantasy? Was this in revenge to something between him and his brother? It worries me the police have said openly the public doesn't have any reason to be concerned, is that because the person is sitting in jail? The fact that this man had enough guts to invite his 15 year old step daughter into his bed and act on a fantasy worries me. What other fantasies did he have?
At any rate, even if he doesn't have anything to do with Kyron, I hope he is never allowed to be around his children or any other child again. 3 months is just too short of a sentence. What he did was sick and twisted, he needs to go away and out of society for a very long time. The amount of damage he inflicted upon his step daughter is not acceptable. She probably trusted him and trusted she would be safe. My heart goes out to this young girl, I hope she has received intervention and help. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Deenie on June 24, 2010, 10:51:35 PM Good Evening Monkeys,
I am sure everyone read Blink's news on the case. I find it very very interesting .. all of it ..that she has provided. I have been thinking ... about the Parents of Kyron. I am going to post this video of the Bio Parents/and Step Parents making their announcement on the news. It's the same video. There is two versions, I have found online. Same everything, just one "video" is from a different camera angle. http://www.youtube.com/v/yt1cVWA0KI0&hl=en_US&fs=1 Remember the books with huge photos and you would have to find the hidden objects... Find the spoon, find the key etc... Does anyone notice anything right off the top of their heads ..that is " Different" within the parents??? Look real close. Did you notice anything ? Clue: They all have it on, yet all is wearing it differently. --- Answer: The Kyron Buttons. First you have Step Dad Tony Young, who is a detective. He is wearing his Kyron button " High ~ Above his Heart" as a law officer would wear a Badge. He is showing " to me" Honor ..to Kyron with his placement of his button. Bio Mom - Her button is on her Right Side - Not near her Heart, around her heart, above her heart - yet is placed opposite side of her heart. Yet directly in line with her Heart. ( She is showing disconnect to all and everyone but her Husband in this video, she is not even present within the news cast - she is OUT, in mind, spirit ..and out of Trust as well...she is showing I am shut off. Her tears are flowing and she is non responsive to all words being said. She does not waiver at all. ) Step Mom Terri - Her Button is sort of placed ..as I will stick it here. As she stuck it on as if she was in a Rush. Just pinned it without thought. It is closer to her breast rather than to her heart. Bio Dad Kaine - His Button to his right is sloppily placed without any thought. His LEFT Button is practically covering Kyron's face ..look at his T-shirt. Do you see how the button is almost on top of Kyron's face. Strange placement of a Button don't you think? Dad Kaine is to be Kyron's Hero. Now Why would Kaine put his Button practically over his Son's Face - ??? Disturbing. Going back to Terri, her within the Video. She is clinging to BioMom, as if she Terri is trying to catch her breath. Her fluttering of eyes, her sadness is directed to BioMom, ..but its a sadness of .. ODD. Its almost as if she is speaking to BioMom with her Eyes .. saying She is sorry. Not that she feels sorrow for BioMom. But that she is " Sorry" period. The depth of her Sorry's ..go on for YEARS .. not for " the present event " ..I think. We have to remember that BioMom and Terri/SM have known each other for many years. They have had and shared " Woman to Woman" all their innermost secrets. Everything that BioMom was living with as Wife of Kaine, her Marriage secrets, Her person, her life, her health ..was shared to Terri " thinking she is my Best Friend" .. I can trust her. So Terri has incite like no other " to DY/BioMom and Kaine's life " What went on before/during/after within DY and Terri - Kyron when he was an infant, DY/BioMoms Health .. Kaine's relationship in all of this. The breakdown of the marriage between Kaine and Desiree .. Did Terri not understand she was to be " the outsider in Trust" from DY's prospective? Somehow Terri found herself vested in Kaine .. Not Desiree. Which I find to be the very worst of betrayal. ( I don't care how much time was involved in the interim - Or who requested what of Who - to be responsible for Kyron's welfare) Women as friends have this unspoken rule - You Don't Mess with my Man - even after I kick him to the Curb. Just because he is no longer in my life..does not mean he is Open Season for you - for the taking.. ;* We learned that in Kindergarten. I don't know all the logistics .. it is all hearsay at this point. Too much blather and not enough yet " stated" as truth of what really happened within this Triangle of a relationship. Kyron being the product of it - and Him being caught in the middle. Desiree no longer wanted a relationship with Kaine. She and he Divorced. For reasons this happened. Yet Terri stuck her feet into his Dirt and " Fell in Love" ...... gained custody of Kyron, and made another child with Kaine/him. Something is so so so not right. The other thing too that I have noticed - while looking at all the photo's of Kyron. He looks nothing like his BioDad. Nada Zippo. He looks just like his Momma. He Kyron, has issues with his Teeth. Not being Smart but Kyron's teeth remind me of David Letterman. He has a overbite that is very pronounced for a 7 yr old. He has crowding on going within his adult teeth coming in. Kyron's front teeth are quite large in shape ..and he has another tooth that is jutting in ..busting thru his gums. Almost crossing over.. ( on his left side within his mouth). I have seen within the photo's of BioDad - his teeth are very small/short and he has quite a wide gum line - when he smiles. You see more pink, than you do teeth. I cannot see any resemblance what so ever - between 18 mos old Baby K and Kyron. I see no resemblance of Kaine in Baby K either. With all the parent " partner swapping" and lack of boundaries within these adults .. makes you wonder doesn't it? I know that not all babies look exactly like one parent .. but this Dude Kaine ..he has very distinctive facial identity. His eyes are close together, he has a distinctive nose, teeth, and shape of his head is Oval ... Kyron and BabyK are both Round in face - with proportionate yet wide spread eyes. All is just my thoughts .. I wish someone though within this sorted family had the ' Kahunas to Step up for Kyron". Seems they are sworn to some sort of secrecy.. for who's benefit?? I smell fear though from Terri. She is exhibiting " fear" for Who though in her body language? Maybe for herself? I don't know. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: seahorse on June 24, 2010, 11:08:15 PM tennis2247 I agree with this, it makes no sense at all. I can't believe that someone would not have seen this happen.1 hour ago The scenario of this boy goes missing before he enters his classroom makes no sense. The boy is described as timid and shy and would never stray from class. Well if he didn't wander off then someone had to practically force him or persuade him to cut class. This also means this scenario had to have taken place with at the very least several witnesses because it took place in the hallway on the way to class. If nobody saw anything maybe its because this scenario never took place. Do the math. http://www.youtube.com/comment_servlet?all_comments=1&v=lhYoMH_fHC0 Kyron's Family Releases New Pictures, Video - Portland News Story - KPTV Portland www.kptv.com PORTLAND, Ore. -- Kyron Horman's family released new video and 200 photos of the missing boy Thursday, a day before his biological parents are expected to speak with reporters. Thursday, June 24, 2010. http://www.facebook.com/pages/Missing-Kyron-Horman/125336750831264?ref=ts (second story from top of page) Another comment on another site: stinger139 73p · 5 hours ago Thanks to all of those involved in the little boys search. Credit is also due to all the news sources for keeping this story as a major headline. Far and wide, the return of this young boy is on every ones minds. I do not think this is gonna be one of those cases that the culprit is never caught. Too many good people are looking for this young man and eventually and I bet sooner than later, we will know the whereabouts of this young man. I hope so. http://www.kptv.com/news/24025131/detail.html#idc-cover Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: cartfly on June 24, 2010, 11:27:12 PM Good Evening Monkeys, Very well put Deenie and I completely agree, especially about the "rule" women have about their men. I had a friend that did that to me before (back in the day) and it hurt me allot. I still see her, I still love her, but I don't trust her. You just don't go there, period....but that's just me. I don't feel like Terri would be someone you would trust around your guy. Here you have Desiree having serious HEALTH issues, a pregnancy and her marriage was falling apart all at the same time. So who steps in to "save the day"? Terri..... sheesh :[I am sure everyone read Blink's news on the case. I find it very very interesting .. all of it ..that she has provided. I have been thinking ... about the Parents of Kyron. I am going to post this video of the Bio Parents/and Step Parents making their announcement on the news. It's the same video. There is two versions, I have found online. Same everything, just one "video" is from a different camera angle. http://www.youtube.com/v/yt1cVWA0KI0&hl=en_US&fs=1 Remember the books with huge photos and you would have to find the hidden objects... Find the spoon, find the key etc... Does anyone notice anything right off the top of their heads ..that is " Different" within the parents??? Look real close. Did you notice anything ? Clue: They all have it on, yet all is wearing it differently. --- Answer: The Kyron Buttons. First you have Step Dad Tony Young, who is a detective. He is wearing his Kyron button " High ~ Above his Heart" as a law officer would wear a Badge. He is showing " to me" Honor ..to Kyron with his placement of his button. Bio Mom - Her button is on her Right Side - Not near her Heart, around her heart, above her heart - yet is placed opposite side of her heart. Yet directly in line with her Heart. ( She is showing disconnect to all and everyone but her Husband in this video, she is not even present within the news cast - she is OUT, in mind, spirit ..and out of Trust as well...she is showing I am shut off. Her tears are flowing and she is non responsive to all words being said. She does not waiver at all. ) Step Mom Terri - Her Button is sort of placed ..as I will stick it here. As she stuck it on as if she was in a Rush. Just pinned it without thought. It is closer to her breast rather than to her heart. Bio Dad Kaine - His Button to his right is sloppily placed without any thought. His LEFT Button is practically covering Kyron's face ..look at his T-shirt. Do you see how the button is almost on top of Kyron's face. Strange placement of a Button don't you think? Dad Kaine is to be Kyron's Hero. Now Why would Kaine put his Button practically over his Son's Face - ??? Disturbing. Going back to Terri, her within the Video. She is clinging to BioMom, as if she Terri is trying to catch her breath. Her fluttering of eyes, her sadness is directed to BioMom, ..but its a sadness of .. ODD. Its almost as if she is speaking to BioMom with her Eyes .. saying She is sorry. Not that she feels sorrow for BioMom. But that she is " Sorry" period. The depth of her Sorry's ..go on for YEARS .. not for " the present event " ..I think. We have to remember that BioMom and Terri/SM have known each other for many years. They have had and shared " Woman to Woman" all their innermost secrets. Everything that BioMom was living with as Wife of Kaine, her Marriage secrets, Her person, her life, her health ..was shared to Terri " thinking she is my Best Friend" .. I can trust her. So Terri has incite like no other " to DY/BioMom and Kaine's life " What went on before/during/after within DY and Terri - Kyron when he was an infant, DY/BioMoms Health .. Kaine's relationship in all of this. The breakdown of the marriage between Kaine and Desiree .. Did Terri not understand she was to be " the outsider in Trust" from DY's prospective? Somehow Terri found herself vested in Kaine .. Not Desiree. Which I find to be the very worst of betrayal. ( I don't care how much time was involved in the interim - Or who requested what of Who - to be responsible for Kyron's welfare) Women as friends have this unspoken rule - You Don't Mess with my Man - even after I kick him to the Curb. Just because he is no longer in my life..does not mean he is Open Season for you - for the taking.. ;* We learned that in Kindergarten. I don't know all the logistics .. it is all hearsay at this point. Too much blather and not enough yet " stated" as truth of what really happened within this Triangle of a relationship. Kyron being the product of it - and Him being caught in the middle. Desiree no longer wanted a relationship with Kaine. She and he Divorced. For reasons this happened. Yet Terri stuck her feet into his Dirt and " Fell in Love" ...... gained custody of Kyron, and made another child with Kaine/him. Something is so so so not right. The other thing too that I have noticed - while looking at all the photo's of Kyron. He looks nothing like his BioDad. Nada Zippo. He looks just like his Momma. He Kyron, has issues with his Teeth. Not being Smart but Kyron's teeth remind me of David Letterman. He has a overbite that is very pronounced for a 7 yr old. He has crowding on going within his adult teeth coming in. Kyron's front teeth are quite large in shape ..and he has another tooth that is jutting in ..busting thru his gums. Almost crossing over.. ( on his left side within his mouth). I have seen within the photo's of BioDad - his teeth are very small/short and he has quite a wide gum line - when he smiles. You see more pink, than you do teeth. I cannot see any resemblance what so ever - between 18 mos old Baby K and Kyron. I see no resemblance of Kaine in Baby K either. With all the parent " partner swapping" and lack of boundaries within these adults .. makes you wonder doesn't it? I know that not all babies look exactly like one parent .. but this Dude Kaine ..he has very distinctive facial identity. His eyes are close together, he has a distinctive nose, teeth, and shape of his head is Oval ... Kyron and BabyK are both Round in face - with proportionate yet wide spread eyes. All is just my thoughts .. I wish someone though within this sorted family had the ' Kahunas to Step up for Kyron". Seems they are sworn to some sort of secrecy.. for who's benefit?? I smell fear though from Terri. She is exhibiting " fear" for Who though in her body language? Maybe for herself? I don't know. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: New Monkey on June 24, 2010, 11:32:52 PM What about the incessant blinking TH did as well? That *has* to mean something, doesn't it?!?
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Deenie on June 24, 2010, 11:49:43 PM The news that came out today regarding the uncle has me freaked out. It worries me that Kyron went missing so close to the sentencing, was this his last shot to fulfill a fantasy? Was this in revenge to something between him and his brother? It worries me the police have said openly the public doesn't have any reason to be concerned, is that because the person is sitting in jail? The fact that this man had enough guts to invite his 15 year old step daughter into his bed and act on a fantasy worries me. What other fantasies did he have? At any rate, even if he doesn't have anything to do with Kyron, I hope he is never allowed to be around his children or any other child again. 3 months is just too short of a sentence. What he did was sick and twisted, he needs to go away and out of society for a very long time. The amount of damage he inflicted upon his step daughter is not acceptable. She probably trusted him and trusted she would be safe. My heart goes out to this young girl, I hope she has received intervention and help. TG - posted today http://wweek.com/editorial/3633/14183/ snipped from article above: Although it’s not been made public, court records reveal that in 2008—a year after she married Kaine Horman—Terri Moulton Horman wrote the court, saying Ecker had ceased all contact with the family for three years. Washington County ordered him to start paying $493 a month, and the issue has since faded from the public record. That same year, Kaine Horman’s brother, Kristian Horman, was arrested for child molestation. Snohomish County Superior Court records say Kristian Horman, 32, was living with his girlfriend, her mother and his 1-year-old son in Bothell, Wash. On Oct. 24, 2008, the daughter of Kristian Horman’s ex-wife stayed at his house while his girlfriend was out of town. The records say Kristian Horman invited the girl, who was 15, to sleep in his bed. He massaged her back, then began rubbing her crotch. The girl left the bed and called her mother, and Kristian Horman apologized. When police interviewed him, Kristian Horman at first said he was asleep and couldn’t remember what had happened. Finally he confessed, according to court records, saying he was trying to “arouse and initiate relations” with the girl. Police asked Kristian Horman what he was thinking about after the girl pulled away. He then revealed there was a history of abuse in the Horman family, court records show, and said his grandfather had abused him. “He indicated that he was thinking about all the stuff his grandfather had done to him,” the court records say, “and remembering how he felt during the time.” Kristian Horman was sentenced June 16 to six months in jail. ----------- My thoughts Between Kaine and Kristian raised as Brothers " Who is instinctively Protecting their brother over anyone? " I am raising a question, not making a statement. You know there is sometimes a unspoken "yet a concrete alliance" between children/siblings raised in a abusive home ..abuse created by parent, family members .. I wonder if the Horman brothers said to their Mother ..they were being abused. And it was swept under the rug. Or she did nothing, because she felt she could not do anything. Very dysfunctional family. Kristian openly lying to LE. Did he think that this 15 yr old girl was not capable of offering her account of what happened? Was it the first time he tried to " touch her" ..did he groom her for the years he was in her life ..thinking this NIGHT was to be his Score??? He would be able to " satisfy" his need to be in control of her? both her will and her body? She was not randomly chosen by him. She was a child that he was able to manipulate. She was a target, that he worked upon..for her to trust him. Did something happen to Kyron ..was he a target by someone (Uncle or ?) ..and it fell apart before any act was committed. That Kyron was " smart enough" to understand what was happening. He knew it was not right. It scared him. And he was going to tell someone. Maybe his Teacher? Would that offer a larger sentence for Uncle Kristian? Put him away for Life? No harm done. Just a little touchy feel .. Nothing really happened. But in the eyes of the court .. it would be damning for Uncle Kristian. Or say it wasn't Uncle... was another Horman, it would prompt an open investigation into Kyron's House and Home ..and since Kristian was awaiting his sentencing ... tick tock.. it would mean ..turmoil for all and everyone. That possibly even BabyK would be removed from the Horman Household by LE ..while the investigation was ongoing. So someone decided .. Kyron was not going to have an opportunity to Tell Anyone ..they " who?" made Kyron go Poof ..... can't talk if your not around.. jmo. Somebody within this circle of affairs - is covering for another. I think. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Itaryl Moosee on June 24, 2010, 11:54:03 PM What about the incessant blinking TH did as well? That *has* to mean something, doesn't it?!? It could be nervousness, you know... the fear of being in front of people. But, during the first press conference, the one in which the step/bio fathers talked, she blinked two times per second at times. During the conference in which the investigation was declared a criminal investigation, right at the moment when the spokeman said that, she blinked about a million times a second. This happened momentarily, and I'm not sure everyone saw it. But, I did. ----- About the comment the sheriff said about the community not fearing a serial killer or stranger abducting children, I go back to the Somer Thompson case, and remember the authorities saying the same thing. Turned out the creep indeed was a sexual molester, a stranger, loose in the community with the potential of doing the same to just about any child. I would like to think they said it thinking that since the culprit knew the police was on his tail, that he would abstain from harming another child at least in the immediate future. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Love2Read on June 24, 2010, 11:57:04 PM SM looks VERY uncomfortable in that video. Almost like she is worried...for herself, not Kryon. She doesn't shed a real tear either. Her body is not in very good shape right now, compared to her body-building days. If going to the gym is so important to her again,(it seems so since that is where she went just hours after the child went missing...who does that??) I wonder if she is taking steriods too.
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: cartfly on June 24, 2010, 11:58:06 PM Hmmm.. For those of you who know of my past, re my bio family.. and for those of you who have seen my former website and/or know my BIO last name.. you'll likely remember that I've said how I know for a fact that some in the cult manuever their way into careers in professional and high places.. and etc........ yada yada.... Wyks, hugs and prayers to you. You know what you can handle and what you can't. Sometimes we just need to step away and refresh our minds and souls.I couldn't read about Ethan Stacey because I know emotionally the details are too horrific. I had to step away when the details emerged about Shaniya Davis and Sandra Cantu. It is all to heartbreaking. The thing that made me want to return was the little girl in Florida who was lost in the marsh (Nadia Bloom) That case gave me hope again. Take some time for yourself and come back refreshed. I enjoy your post and you have my utmost respect for being an advocate for children. Hurry back when you can. :)Now that there is 'a person in a high position' involving himself personally in Kyron's case, I'm a stepping on outta here, and will pray hard for Kyron. I think it's best. Am simply not interested in a family reunion. I completely sympathize with Kaine in that we cannot help who our bio relatives are. http://www.kptv.com/video/24014601/index.html (http://www.kptv.com/video/24014601/index.html) If anyone has a great deal of time on their hands, and want some interesting reading.... google the good mayor of portland. <hugs> to all...... Justice for Kyron!! Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Deenie on June 25, 2010, 12:02:32 AM What about the incessant blinking TH did as well? That *has* to mean something, doesn't it?!? I was thinking about that too ..the Blinking ..so noticeable. I wonder if she thought she was going to pass out.. Terri. Was she feeling dizzy? ..think about if you have ever had the spins .. your eyes will blink " rapidly" because your trying to " catch yourself from passing out" .. normally accompanies a deep inhale.. then the eyes stop fluttering ..and they rest/ go back to normal .. ? Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: sunshine12 on June 25, 2010, 12:24:54 AM hey everyone,
i found this link over on insessions, and its a detectives personal opinion on what happened, i suggest everyone checks it out, it's pretty interesting.. http://www.detectiveforums.com/forums/general-discussion/kyron-horman-disappearance-this-what-happened-t8417.html Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tracygirl on June 25, 2010, 01:03:19 AM hey everyone, i found this link over on insessions, and its a detectives personal opinion on what happened, i suggest everyone checks it out, it's pretty interesting.. http://www.detectiveforums.com/forums/general-discussion/kyron-horman-disappearance-this-what-happened-t8417.html I think there is still a lot we don't know to come up with a suspect on the few details that are out there makes an interesting story however I could put the janitor in the same place as the mom and get the same outcome. The janitor blends in, no one would notice him, he could say to Kyron to check out the cool electric project. He could meet him on the way there and ask for help with something, tie him up, put him in a box and out the door he goes with his "delivery" to another school lets say the island where another school is and no one is the wiser. Infact I think I can come with at least 10 different stories of what could have happened. As far as we know, Terri isn't resentful of Kyron, She didn't believe him to be a burden, maybe she was feeling that but that hasn't been said anywhere. From all accounts she is said to have been a loving mother to Kyron. Not sure why the detective said this, perhaps it is the most common perception of a step mom? LOL am I the only one left saying she may not have done this crime or had anything to do with it? That wouldn't surprise me, I usually am in the minority. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tracygirl on June 25, 2010, 01:07:03 AM tennis2247 I agree with this, it makes no sense at all. I can't believe that someone would not have seen this happen.1 hour ago The scenario of this boy goes missing before he enters his classroom makes no sense. The boy is described as timid and shy and would never stray from class. Well if he didn't wander off then someone had to practically force him or persuade him to cut class. This also means this scenario had to have taken place with at the very least several witnesses because it took place in the hallway on the way to class. If nobody saw anything maybe its because this scenario never took place. Do the math. http://www.youtube.com/comment_servlet?all_comments=1&v=lhYoMH_fHC0 Kyron's Family Releases New Pictures, Video - Portland News Story - KPTV Portland www.kptv.com PORTLAND, Ore. -- Kyron Horman's family released new video and 200 photos of the missing boy Thursday, a day before his biological parents are expected to speak with reporters. Thursday, June 24, 2010. http://www.facebook.com/pages/Missing-Kyron-Horman/125336750831264?ref=ts (second story from top of page) Another comment on another site: stinger139 73p · 5 hours ago Thanks to all of those involved in the little boys search. Credit is also due to all the news sources for keeping this story as a major headline. Far and wide, the return of this young boy is on every ones minds. I do not think this is gonna be one of those cases that the culprit is never caught. Too many good people are looking for this young man and eventually and I bet sooner than later, we will know the whereabouts of this young man. I hope so. http://www.kptv.com/news/24025131/detail.html#idc-cover Thank you so much. So I wonder why the their partners are not going to be with them? Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: ISpy on June 25, 2010, 01:11:34 AM I don't want to analyze the pics they seem normal and I do not see anything into them, but I believe the pic of the sun is a replica of Mexican Folk Art. It appears to be a project done in school. Of course this is purely my opinion and I respect those of others. Jane V. had a brief bit on Kyron. Apparently there were 26 children in the class. If the groups were broken into 4-5 children I would think there would be between 4 and 6 chaperones. If the teacher was one, and the "sub/assistant" was one, that leaves aprox. 3 more adults to help out. There is no way Kyron would be missed. If he was with a group that would be known. Kyron never made it to the chaperoned tours, at least not with his class. Would Kyron just wander the fair without a group? My opinion is highly unlikely. Everyone states he is a good boy, which means he would follow the rules. I can't remember when they said they did a roll call for the day. The Tanner thing sticks out in my mind as well as the cool electric project. I am not sure what to think. Was this all before 8:45 a.m.? Don't mean to be busting in here. Playing catchup and thinking. newfie- You raised a very good point here. Wonder what time the school normally opens, children begin arriving, and the latest children generally arrive. I find it impossible to believe the school opened at 8:00, roll was taken, 26 children divided into groups in an orderly fashion, and their science fair tour was conducted by 8:45. Having teachers in the family, as well as years of teaching experience, there's no way 25-26 excited 2nd graders+ proud parents/visitors could be corralled and contained, walk to the science fair room, tour all the exhibits, and be back within that time frame. Moreover, Kyron's backpack and stuff would be a visual reminder to his classmates of his absence. Finally, if the teacher "thought" Kyron was in the bathroom, wouldn't she have noticed he never returned? (The boys would have been talking about that-particularly his friends). Most teachers keep a pretty close eye out on who's gone to the bathroom and how long they've been gone-sending a fellow student in to retrieve them if necessary. Every classroom I've been in has bathroom passes that have to be obtained from the teacher. Wouldn't the first boy that requested the pass post roll call have realized Kyron wasn't in the bathroom and reported that to the teacher? What was the discussion between teachers when Kyron wasn't there for the Talent Show lineup? Every Talent Show. I've been involved with has been preceded by quieting the children and lining them up in order of appearance. Something is missing in the information being released. There would have been too many opportunities for someone to have seen and remembered Kyron, had he been there any length of time that morning. Second graders are all about their little groups of friends, especially boys with their "best buds". His friends would have clearly remembered seeing him that morning, as they ran to meet each other/show off their projects/talk excitedly about their projects. Other parents would have remembered seeing the antics of Kyron and his excited buddy(ies). Furthermore, in a small school, most teachers know most of the children in the other grades by name. Teachers talk among themselves about cute little so-and-so or "So-and-so seems to really be struggling. I wonder what's going on.", "Have you noticed anything different about so-and-so lately? He/She seems to be really __________ the last few days/weeks", "I wonder if so-and-so's parents are having some problems because so-and-so's been really acting up in class lately and that's not like him/her.". I always knew the scoop on most of the kids in elementary and high school. We were always acknowledged by other teachers in the halls. I'd be really surprised if no one definitively remembered seeing Kyron, particularly if Terri was a classroom regular. Teachers would have known her, as well as Kyron, particularly by the end of the year. If Kyron were at the school (skeptical of this), IMO he was long gone before the homeroom bell...too many classmates would have seen him and said so to the teacher, prompting her to send someone looking for him. My concern is that, from having volunteered there and having been a teacher, SM may have had some knowledge of the school's security (or the lack thereof). Ditto for the teacher's/school's usual routines, as well as the school's layout. I am not saying SM did something to Kyron, just looking at the factors necessary for Kyron to have disappeared from that location. Very few perpetrators would walk into a crowded school event, where they could be ID'd later, to take a child...particularly an event where they cannot control entrances/exits and everything and everyone in between. Just can't see it happening. My other concern is the whole Dr. appt thing. If the Dr. appt was an a.m. event June 4th and made in advance, wouldn't the teacher be expecting Kyron to return to her classroom by 1:00 for the Talent Show? Something's not right here. If that truly was the case, Kaine & Terri (particularly former teacher Terri) would be absolutely livid at the teacher's negligence, at the school's negligence. Having a parent who's a teacher, trust me...heads would roll, beginning with the principal. The school board would have had an emergency meeting, the school system would have immediately lawyered up with an attorney representing them to the media. Had a child disappeared from the hallway, parents would have been pulling children from school, and the outcry would have been massive. Not buying the "The teacher didn't follow up because she got the dates mixed up and thought Kyron was at the doctor's.". The school secretary would most likely have had documentation to support an approved absence. Wouldn't Kyron have likely said a hasty goodbye to one or more of his classmates in or across the exhibit room, if he was leaving for a doctor appt? Too many loose ends here. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Deenie on June 25, 2010, 01:17:44 AM The video of classmate and neighbor of Kyron - Tanner - Thank You Klaas. Blink has much more on this video. www.blinkoncrime.com ( for lurkers)
http://www.youtube.com/v/6tAZ1FmHtcI&hl=en_US&fs=1 Since Tanner's accounts of June 4th have been tossed around. I wondering if someone within " the school " named Tanner to the media. Out of " no reason in particular" ..possibly recalling that Tanner said he did see Kyron and talk with him at one point in the early morning. And it all spun from that moment. So Tanner was put to the spotlight and He being a 7 yr old .. could have mixed up his recall .. maybe he entangled " the day before at school " and stated it was all on the 4th. That is a lot of weight to put upon a 7 yr old boy .. Him knowing his best friend/neighbor vanished within school and he the only kid that is being put to the media.. what Did You See? What do you remember? I think it would make a child very anxious ..and possibly at one point create confusion, within all the attention he is receiving. Maybe his story might have become " off " from what actually did happen. Or he could have been pursueded by an adult .. If you tell the media this ..yadda ..being that LE directed his Grandmother not to speak to the media. Tanner, may have become flustered, and began to rewrite in his mind what he feels is his true. Does not mean though" he is concentrating" on the day of June 4th. Kids for the most part " want to help and offer the right answers, and if they feel..they are not helping enough .. they sorta add their own twist on words" ...... not out of lying, but truly wanting to help. what a shame, all of this, .... arrgh. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: ISpy on June 25, 2010, 02:02:53 AM The pictures sure look good to me considering he is only seven years old, if I analyzed some of the pictures my kids drew, well..... I will say he is a good little artist. That is very concerning to me about the restraining order with the dad, I would like to hear more about that. norose- Your last sentence got me thinking. During the divorce proceedings, what would have made Kaine likely to take Kyron and run? The threat of losing custody of him, maybe? Wonder if that same threat of losing Kyron resurfaced recently due to the 2008 incident with Kristian Horman (Kaine's brother) molesting his girlfriend's daughter and revelations Kristian had been molested by a male family member and would likely molest others? Wonder if Desiree was considering petitioning for full custody or blocking Kristian from being around Kyron? Wonder if Kyron was exhibiting some new/unusual behavioral issues or experiencing/expressing anxiety over his home situation or particular family members? Wonder if Kaine was similarly abused by the same male family member or by Kristian? Not saying that's the case, just thinking statistically here. Wonder if Terri, as a body-conscious body builder was using steroids or experiencing post-partum depression? Again, not making accusations, just trying to ascertain substances that might possibly alter personality and cause someone to act uncharacteristically. Not much of this case is making sense. Children don't just disappear into thin air, as we all know. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: ISpy on June 25, 2010, 02:52:46 AM Bear with me, as I play catch up and post at the same time. LOL! Watching video here http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/kyron-hormans-stepmother-polygraph-10963186 (http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/kyron-hormans-stepmother-polygraph-10963186) and noticing a few things you all have probably already discussed (my apologies, if so). On the Kyron's Mom Get A Second Polygraph, why is Jamie Finster repeatedly looking off to her left (our right) as she discusses her friend Terri? Why the excessive blinking as she tells us what a great mom Terri is? Shouldn't we be seeing and hearing strong, emphatic words and facial expressions here? I mean her friend, that she's known for a long time, is coming under attack by some. Who wouldn't respond stridently if you knew your friend to be a "great" mom? IDK
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: ISpy on June 25, 2010, 02:55:20 AM Need to run...past my bedtime. Take good care everyone. Praying for Kyron, he needs to be found.
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: seahorse on June 25, 2010, 07:22:30 AM hey everyone, i found this link over on insessions, and its a detectives personal opinion on what happened, i suggest everyone checks it out, it's pretty interesting.. http://www.detectiveforums.com/forums/general-discussion/kyron-horman-disappearance-this-what-happened-t8417.html Thank-you. Chilling. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: seahorse on June 25, 2010, 07:51:59 AM http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/parents_of_kyron_horman_to_app.html
Missing 7-year-old Kyron Horman wound never walk away from school, mom says Published: Friday, June 25, 2010, 3:42 AM Updated: Friday, June 25, 2010, 4:46 AM Missing 7-year-old Kyron Horman would never walk away on his own from school, his mother said today. Desiree Young described her shy son as someone who likes to stick close to home. He's timid and can't see very well, she said. "He doesn't like to wander off," she said. Young made the comments this morning as she and her ex-husband, Kaine Horman, Kyron's father, did a round of interviews with network TV shows to keep the boy's plight before the public. It was the third appearance by the two since the second-grader was last seen June 4 at his rural Portland school. Although they — along with Kyron’s stepfather, Tony Young, and stepmother, Terri Moulton Horman — have attended two news conferences and answered some questions from reporters via e-mail, this marked the first time they agreed to interviews http://www.facebook.com/pages/Missing-Kyron-Horman/125336750831264?ref=ts Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: seahorse on June 25, 2010, 07:55:21 AM tennis2247 I agree with this, it makes no sense at all. I can't believe that someone would not have seen this happen.1 hour ago The scenario of this boy goes missing before he enters his classroom makes no sense. The boy is described as timid and shy and would never stray from class. Well if he didn't wander off then someone had to practically force him or persuade him to cut class. This also means this scenario had to have taken place with at the very least several witnesses because it took place in the hallway on the way to class. If nobody saw anything maybe its because this scenario never took place. Do the math. http://www.youtube.com/comment_servlet?all_comments=1&v=lhYoMH_fHC0 Kyron's Family Releases New Pictures, Video - Portland News Story - KPTV Portland www.kptv.com PORTLAND, Ore. -- Kyron Horman's family released new video and 200 photos of the missing boy Thursday, a day before his biological parents are expected to speak with reporters. Thursday, June 24, 2010. http://www.facebook.com/pages/Missing-Kyron-Horman/125336750831264?ref=ts (second story from top of page) Another comment on another site: stinger139 73p · 5 hours ago Thanks to all of those involved in the little boys search. Credit is also due to all the news sources for keeping this story as a major headline. Far and wide, the return of this young boy is on every ones minds. I do not think this is gonna be one of those cases that the culprit is never caught. Too many good people are looking for this young man and eventually and I bet sooner than later, we will know the whereabouts of this young man. I hope so. http://www.kptv.com/news/24025131/detail.html#idc-cover Thank you so much. So I wonder why the their partners are not going to be with them? Tracygirl, You are welcome. Why the mates are not attending? My "uneducated guess" is a Attorney has suggested it to be that way. IMO Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: trimmonthelake on June 25, 2010, 08:20:42 AM http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/missing-kyron-hormons-parents-plea-11011069
Missing Kyron Hormon's Parents Plea for Help Desire Young and Caine Hormon say the situation is a "parent's worst nightmare." 06/25/2010 Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: JessStar on June 25, 2010, 08:48:10 AM Good morning everyone. I've been so unbelievably busy lately I haven't had the time to think very hard about this case. I've tried to keep up with what little facts are being revealed but, as is typically the case (and for good reason) there aren't many of them.
Those who have followed my posts for over the past year plus know that I am the eternal optimist. So I am going to go out on the ledge here and take the optimistic view that this was a domestic family abduction like that little boy that was just found not too long ago hidden away in the attic. There's a lot that leads me to believe this is the case. I would love to hear that Kyron was found locked away somewhere because the parents and step-parents did not get along. The restraining order leads me to believe there was some concern that Kyron would be taken away--those orders aren't just given away without having some basis to grant them. So that gives me a glimmer of hope. Unfortunately, given today's tight budgets, one rarely sees law enforcement take on such a monumental and expensive task as they've done here in searching around Sauvie Island and its waterways without having a good reason to do so. So while it may very well have been a family abduction, it is difficult for me to believe that Kyron will be found alive and well. Law enforcement's actions in declaring this a criminal investigation and then proceeding to conduct the search the way they have been leads me to believe that my eternal optimism will, once again, be dashed. God Bless You, Kyron. I am pulling for you. Although I am 2600 miles away from you, I am there with you, pulling for you. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: seahorse on June 25, 2010, 09:02:16 AM Good morning Monkeys,
I have a few questions. 1. Did Kyron have a Life Insurance Policy on him? 2. Who was the beneficiary? 3. How much was the policy for if there was a LIP Would a culprit make a "dry run" the day before if this were premeditation? Is this why LE requests video on June 3? I only watched one eposide of CSI, so I am not sauvy to what a criminal mind works. I know from experience if I am being paid for a job, I drive a dry run for peace of mind, timing and road conditions. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: seahorse on June 25, 2010, 09:34:30 AM http://video.foxnews.com/v/4254978/kyron-hormans-parents-speak-out
Interview with the parents. The video is crappy, I found it worth gleaning. I would ignore "breaking news" at the beginning, there is no breaking news, yet. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: cookie on June 25, 2010, 09:54:17 AM Good morning everyone. I've been so unbelievably busy lately I haven't had the time to think very hard about this case. I've tried to keep up with what little facts are being revealed but, as is typically the case (and for good reason) there aren't many of them. Those who have followed my posts for over the past year plus know that I am the eternal optimist. So I am going to go out on the ledge here and take the optimistic view that this was a domestic family abduction like that little boy that was just found not too long ago hidden away in the attic. There's a lot that leads me to believe this is the case. I would love to hear that Kyron was found locked away somewhere because the parents and step-parents did not get along. The restraining order leads me to believe there was some concern that Kyron would be taken away--those orders aren't just given away without having some basis to grant them. So that gives me a glimmer of hope. Unfortunately, given today's tight budgets, one rarely sees law enforcement take on such a monumental and expensive task as they've done here in searching around Sauvie Island and its waterways without having a good reason to do so. So while it may very well have been a family abduction, it is difficult for me to believe that Kyron will be found alive and well. Law enforcement's actions in declaring this a criminal investigation and then proceeding to conduct the search the way they have been leads me to believe that my eternal optimism will, once again, be dashed. God Bless You, Kyron. I am pulling for you. Although I am 2600 miles away from you, I am there with you, pulling for you. Jess.... God love ya! I am baffled by this one...don't know what could have happened to this child.. I am hoping and hoping that this little boy is alright... Saw the video of Mom and Dad on tv this morning...very sad...indeed this is a parent's worst nightmare... Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: newfie on June 25, 2010, 10:03:47 AM iSPY Very valid points and my belief as well. I do not think Kyron ever made it to his class to be chaperoned in a group. That would have been known by now, as someone would have stepped forward. I do wonder though if his friend did see him before the class grouping outside the class and gave an estimation of time which would have been before 9:00 a.m. The electric project is key in knowing where it was. Was it downstairs in a classroom, was it in the gym? Did someone say to Kyron come and see this cool electric project? Kyron was a good kid and compliant, but this was a day with lots of energy excitement, that fills young children easily where they would be more apt to let their guard down. The buses arrived before 8:45 a.m. to have the students ontime for the original bell ringing which according to articles is 8:45. I would think with kids coming off the bus, parents heading out of the school, and people still wandering around before that 9:00 a.m. time Kyron could have been lured out somehow. I am still wondering about the talent show as well. Not to point fingers but if Kyron was a part of this why wasn't something said by the person in charge of the activity. Was the teacher in charge of her classrooms talent show? Why would a parent make a Dr. appt. for a child on such a busy day and especially if the child was in the talent show that day? I wish we could find out if the dr. appt. is fact or rumor. FYI it has been established that Kaine was at work that day. Have a good day all!!!
I don't want to analyze the pics they seem normal and I do not see anything into them, but I believe the pic of the sun is a replica of Mexican Folk Art. It appears to be a project done in school. Of course this is purely my opinion and I respect those of others. Jane V. had a brief bit on Kyron. Apparently there were 26 children in the class. If the groups were broken into 4-5 children I would think there would be between 4 and 6 chaperones. If the teacher was one, and the "sub/assistant" was one, that leaves aprox. 3 more adults to help out. There is no way Kyron would be missed. If he was with a group that would be known. Kyron never made it to the chaperoned tours, at least not with his class. Would Kyron just wander the fair without a group? My opinion is highly unlikely. Everyone states he is a good boy, which means he would follow the rules. I can't remember when they said they did a roll call for the day. The Tanner thing sticks out in my mind as well as the cool electric project. I am not sure what to think. Was this all before 8:45 a.m.? Don't mean to be busting in here. Playing catchup and thinking. newfie- You raised a very good point here. Wonder what time the school normally opens, children begin arriving, and the latest children generally arrive. I find it impossible to believe the school opened at 8:00, roll was taken, 26 children divided into groups in an orderly fashion, and their science fair tour was conducted by 8:45. Having teachers in the family, as well as years of teaching experience, there's no way 25-26 excited 2nd graders+ proud parents/visitors could be corralled and contained, walk to the science fair room, tour all the exhibits, and be back within that time frame. Moreover, Kyron's backpack and stuff would be a visual reminder to his classmates of his absence. Finally, if the teacher "thought" Kyron was in the bathroom, wouldn't she have noticed he never returned? (The boys would have been talking about that-particularly his friends). Most teachers keep a pretty close eye out on who's gone to the bathroom and how long they've been gone-sending a fellow student in to retrieve them if necessary. Every classroom I've been in has bathroom passes that have to be obtained from the teacher. Wouldn't the first boy that requested the pass post roll call have realized Kyron wasn't in the bathroom and reported that to the teacher? What was the discussion between teachers when Kyron wasn't there for the Talent Show lineup? Every Talent Show. I've been involved with has been preceded by quieting the children and lining them up in order of appearance. Something is missing in the information being released. There would have been too many opportunities for someone to have seen and remembered Kyron, had he been there any length of time that morning. Second graders are all about their little groups of friends, especially boys with their "best buds". His friends would have clearly remembered seeing him that morning, as they ran to meet each other/show off their projects/talk excitedly about their projects. Other parents would have remembered seeing the antics of Kyron and his excited buddy(ies). Furthermore, in a small school, most teachers know most of the children in the other grades by name. Teachers talk among themselves about cute little so-and-so or "So-and-so seems to really be struggling. I wonder what's going on.", "Have you noticed anything different about so-and-so lately? He/She seems to be really __________ the last few days/weeks", "I wonder if so-and-so's parents are having some problems because so-and-so's been really acting up in class lately and that's not like him/her.". I always knew the scoop on most of the kids in elementary and high school. We were always acknowledged by other teachers in the halls. I'd be really surprised if no one definitively remembered seeing Kyron, particularly if Terri was a classroom regular. Teachers would have known her, as well as Kyron, particularly by the end of the year. If Kyron were at the school (skeptical of this), IMO he was long gone before the homeroom bell...too many classmates would have seen him and said so to the teacher, prompting her to send someone looking for him. My concern is that, from having volunteered there and having been a teacher, SM may have had some knowledge of the school's security (or the lack thereof). Ditto for the teacher's/school's usual routines, as well as the school's layout. I am not saying SM did something to Kyron, just looking at the factors necessary for Kyron to have disappeared from that location. Very few perpetrators would walk into a crowded school event, where they could be ID'd later, to take a child...particularly an event where they cannot control entrances/exits and everything and everyone in between. Just can't see it happening. My other concern is the whole Dr. appt thing. If the Dr. appt was an a.m. event June 4th and made in advance, wouldn't the teacher be expecting Kyron to return to her classroom by 1:00 for the Talent Show? Something's not right here. If that truly was the case, Kaine & Terri (particularly former teacher Terri) would be absolutely livid at the teacher's negligence, at the school's negligence. Having a parent who's a teacher, trust me...heads would roll, beginning with the principal. The school board would have had an emergency meeting, the school system would have immediately lawyered up with an attorney representing them to the media. Had a child disappeared from the hallway, parents would have been pulling children from school, and the outcry would have been massive. Not buying the "The teacher didn't follow up because she got the dates mixed up and thought Kyron was at the doctor's.". The school secretary would most likely have had documentation to support an approved absence. Wouldn't Kyron have likely said a hasty goodbye to one or more of his classmates in or across the exhibit room, if he was leaving for a doctor appt? Too many loose ends here. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 25, 2010, 10:13:20 AM I could be wrong but the doctor's appt was scheduled for the next week, it seemed odd to fill whatever paperwork so much sooner. Things must have changed never had to do that for my kids. I could swear that I've read the appt was June 11th Friday.
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: newfie on June 25, 2010, 10:42:19 AM Thanks! No Rose, if that is the case ,then why did the teacher mark him absent after seeing him earlier, and then make a statement that she assumed he had an apppt.? There are too many inconsistencies with alot of the statements, and I think the media has twisted them somewhat. The transcript from the interview is available. According to Kaine they were all suppossed to be on vacation right now. Here is a link:
http://www.kptv.com/news/24037975/detail.html I could be wrong but the doctor's appt was scheduled for the next week, it seemed odd to fill whatever paperwork so much sooner. Things must have changed never had to do that for my kids. I could swear that I've read the appt was June 11th Friday. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 25, 2010, 10:53:43 AM newfie, that is what I can't figure out. I wish someone would correct me if I'm wrong, but I could swear that is what I read about an appt on June 11th.
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Curly on June 25, 2010, 11:08:29 AM That's my understanding as well. June 11.
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: seahorse on June 25, 2010, 11:10:24 AM Sunshine12 posted this most interesting link. It is worth taking a few minutes to read.
I believe Sunshine12 mentioned she found this on I.S. Kyron Horman Disappearance. This is what happened. http://www.detectiveforums.com/forums/general-discussion/kyron-horman-disappearance-this-what-happened-t8417.html Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: mediamama on June 25, 2010, 11:13:03 AM hey everyone, i found this link over on insessions, and its a detectives personal opinion on what happened, i suggest everyone checks it out, it's pretty interesting.. http://www.detectiveforums.com/forums/general-discussion/kyron-horman-disappearance-this-what-happened-t8417.html I think there is still a lot we don't know to come up with a suspect on the few details that are out there makes an interesting story however I could put the janitor in the same place as the mom and get the same outcome. The janitor blends in, no one would notice him, he could say to Kyron to check out the cool electric project. He could meet him on the way there and ask for help with something, tie him up, put him in a box and out the door he goes with his "delivery" to another school lets say the island where another school is and no one is the wiser. Infact I think I can come with at least 10 different stories of what could have happened. As far as we know, Terri isn't resentful of Kyron, She didn't believe him to be a burden, maybe she was feeling that but that hasn't been said anywhere. From all accounts she is said to have been a loving mother to Kyron. Not sure why the detective said this, perhaps it is the most common perception of a step mom? LOL am I the only one left saying she may not have done this crime or had anything to do with it? That wouldn't surprise me, I usually am in the minority. LOL Tracy. Nope, I'm right there with you. As I said over at Blink though, my perception may be skewed due to my own status as a stepmom. We're easy targets sometimes. ;-) Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 25, 2010, 11:16:50 AM That's my understanding as well. June 11. Thank-you so much, I thought perhaps I was dreaming this. Why fill out paperwork so far in advance?Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 25, 2010, 11:17:17 AM Sunshine12 posted this most interesting link. It is worth taking a few minutes to read. That is very interesting.I believe Sunshine12 mentioned she found this on I.S. Kyron Horman Disappearance. This is what happened. http://www.detectiveforums.com/forums/general-discussion/kyron-horman-disappearance-this-what-happened-t8417.html Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: seahorse on June 25, 2010, 11:30:58 AM Sunshine12 posted this most interesting link. It is worth taking a few minutes to read. That is very interesting.I believe Sunshine12 mentioned she found this on I.S. Kyron Horman Disappearance. This is what happened. http://www.detectiveforums.com/forums/general-discussion/kyron-horman-disappearance-this-what-happened-t8417.html I agree, very interesting. The poster makes a good point Children do not know about time. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Patricia Mocha Latte on June 25, 2010, 12:26:05 PM I just finished reading the transcript of the interview with Kyron's Mother and Father. I do not know how I would respond in such a situation but I have got to say that that they are two very strong people and my heart goes out to both of them.
Maybe I am also being optomistic but I too believe that Kyron is still alive. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Patricia Mocha Latte on June 25, 2010, 12:31:53 PM I have a couple questions.
Is there any confirmation yet as to the actual reason why the white truck was taken to a shop? What was the actual nature of the repairs if any? Was the problem a sudden onset or? Had the truck had problems prior to being taken to the shop that required assistance from anyone? Had it ever broken down in traffic etc...? Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: seahorse on June 25, 2010, 12:47:37 PM I have a couple questions. Is there any confirmation yet as to the actual reason why the white truck was taken to a shop? What was the actual nature of the repairs if any? Was the problem a sudden onset or? Had the truck had problems prior to being taken to the shop that required assistance from anyone? Had it ever broken down in traffic etc...? Hi PatMocha, I read the trucker's "starter" went all of a sudden (I guess) that is how the starter stops, LOL. Sorry, I have no confirmation. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: seahorse on June 25, 2010, 12:51:01 PM I just finished reading the transcript of the interview with Kyron's Mother and Father. I do not know how I would respond in such a situation but I have got to say that that they are two very strong people and my heart goes out to both of them. Maybe I am also being optomistic but I too believe that Kyron is still alive. Wouldn't that be great if he were still around? LE said "criminal investigation" SM has a "death look" in her face. IMO. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Itaryl Moosee on June 25, 2010, 12:59:53 PM Car trouble could explain why the truck was in a semi-private road, idling at 3:00pm.
Getting out of the main road to see if the problem would go away, or figuring out what's wrong without people nosing around could explain it. Explaining what was the truck doing at near the same spot at 2:00am is a bit harder to explain. If what has been said about the truck is true, that is. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Patricia Mocha Latte on June 25, 2010, 01:10:49 PM I just finished reading the transcript of the interview with Kyron's Mother and Father. I do not know how I would respond in such a situation but I have got to say that that they are two very strong people and my heart goes out to both of them. Maybe I am also being optomistic but I too believe that Kyron is still alive. Wouldn't that be great if he were still around? LE said "criminal investigation" SM has a "death look" in her face. IMO. Yes it would be wonderful if he is still alive. I am not so ready to say SM has a "death look" in her face though. Obviously SM was the one who was responsible for Kyron that morning. SM stated that she last saw Kyron when she allowed him to walk off toward his class. I would assume that she feels some level of responsibility in Kyron's disappearance whether she were the true perpetrator or not because she admittedly did not walk Kyron all the way into his classroom. I guess I am in the moniority here also? Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Patricia Mocha Latte on June 25, 2010, 01:12:59 PM Car trouble could explain why the truck was in a semi-private road, idling at 3:00pm. Getting out of the main road to see if the problem would go away, or figuring out what's wrong without people nosing around could explain it. Explaining what was the truck doing at near the same spot at 2:00am is a bit harder to explain. If what has been said about the truck is true, that is. I am suspicious of this alleged vehicle, truck, car, vehicle sighting at either times mentioned. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Patricia Mocha Latte on June 25, 2010, 01:20:25 PM LE coming out and stating that they are conducting a "criminal investigation" means exactly that.
After a search was conducted around the school etc... and it was found that Kyron did not simply wander off of his own volition the coming out and stating that they are indeed considering this case as an active criminal investigation seems SOP. And rightly so imvho. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tracygirl on June 25, 2010, 02:04:47 PM hey everyone, i found this link over on insessions, and its a detectives personal opinion on what happened, i suggest everyone checks it out, it's pretty interesting.. http://www.detectiveforums.com/forums/general-discussion/kyron-horman-disappearance-this-what-happened-t8417.html I think there is still a lot we don't know to come up with a suspect on the few details that are out there makes an interesting story however I could put the janitor in the same place as the mom and get the same outcome. The janitor blends in, no one would notice him, he could say to Kyron to check out the cool electric project. He could meet him on the way there and ask for help with something, tie him up, put him in a box and out the door he goes with his "delivery" to another school lets say the island where another school is and no one is the wiser. Infact I think I can come with at least 10 different stories of what could have happened. As far as we know, Terri isn't resentful of Kyron, She didn't believe him to be a burden, maybe she was feeling that but that hasn't been said anywhere. From all accounts she is said to have been a loving mother to Kyron. Not sure why the detective said this, perhaps it is the most common perception of a step mom? LOL am I the only one left saying she may not have done this crime or had anything to do with it? That wouldn't surprise me, I usually am in the minority. LOL Tracy. Nope, I'm right there with you. As I said over at Blink though, my perception may be skewed due to my own status as a stepmom. We're easy targets sometimes. ;-) I have been on both sides of this coin. I am a stepmom and I would never touch one of my step children. I think I treat them better then my own kids sometimes, lol. I never ground them or discipline them, that is my husbands job. However, my children have had a step mom from hell. She was mean to them and refused to accept my disabled son's diagnosis. She was not a nice step mom at all, thankfully she is out of the pic. I do think though step moms are made out to be 2nd best, someone who is only burdened with "other" children, a person with no real attachment to the "other" children, someone who resents the step children... Sometimes that is true, sometimes not. So far I see nothing which leads one to come to that conclusion in this case. Kyron looked happy, got good grades, terri seems to have been an active, loving step mother. Pics are mentioned over and over again. Not having your pic taken with your children does not mean you are capable of murder. Not walking your child to the class does not make you capable of murder. Not attending a talent show does not make you capable of murder. What Terri is being accused of is a horrible, horrible crime and it shouldn't be something lightly thrown around without any solid proof, imo. Only a few accounts of that day have been released to the public, not enough is known. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tracygirl on June 25, 2010, 02:17:58 PM I just finished reading the transcript of the interview with Kyron's Mother and Father. I do not know how I would respond in such a situation but I have got to say that that they are two very strong people and my heart goes out to both of them. Maybe I am also being optomistic but I too believe that Kyron is still alive. Wouldn't that be great if he were still around? LE said "criminal investigation" SM has a "death look" in her face. IMO. Yes it would be wonderful if he is still alive. I am not so ready to say SM has a "death look" in her face though. Obviously SM was the one who was responsible for Kyron that morning. SM stated that she last saw Kyron when she allowed him to walk off toward his class. I would assume that she feels some level of responsibility in Kyron's disappearance whether she were the true perpetrator or not because she admittedly did not walk Kyron all the way into his classroom. I guess I am in the moniority here also? When I try to put myself into Terri's place (as a non guilty party in this), I can only imagine the mommy guilt she must feel. Can you imagine for a moment a decision made such as not walking a child all the way into the class has caused him to disappear and possibly be dead? And then on top of that you have everyone accusing you and blaming you? I am surprised she hasn't blowen her head off by now. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: seahorse on June 25, 2010, 02:23:45 PM http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/parents_of_kyron_horman_to_app/4053/comments-7.html keda7890 June 25, 2010 at 11:14AM It was actually a neighbor of the school who saw a white Ford F250 at the school that day (6/4) at the end of the road/school driveway about 3pm. Then Saturday morning same location 2am. It was stated that the cell phone pinged on Sauvie Island, but not that someone saw the truck there. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Patricia Mocha Latte on June 25, 2010, 02:41:05 PM Who exactly released the information about the cell phone pinging from Sauvie Island?
I have yet to see where LE has stated as much. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Patricia Mocha Latte on June 25, 2010, 02:47:03 PM Also seahorse we know who the person is that claims to have seen a white vehicle, truck, car, vehicle.
I'm not certain at all yet that it was stated that this same neighbor had seen a white Ford F250 at the school? I haven't seen that information released yet have you? He also did not state that he had specifically seen a white Ford F250 in the interview that I had read about either. Another question I have is: Was the woman who lives at the same house as this neighbor (who alleges reported sightings) interviewed at the same time as he was? Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tracygirl on June 25, 2010, 03:29:30 PM Who exactly released the information about the cell phone pinging from Sauvie Island? I have yet to see where LE has stated as much. 2 sites stated this, Blinkoncrime and also the willamette blog. Both state unnamed sources. LE has not come out and said this so even though I love Blink and trust she is reporting what she has learned, in my eyes it is unconfirmed. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tracygirl on June 25, 2010, 03:31:33 PM Also seahorse we know who the person is that claims to have seen a white vehicle, truck, car, vehicle. I'm not certain at all yet that it was stated that this same neighbor had seen a white Ford F250 at the school? I haven't seen that information released yet have you? He also did not state that he had specifically seen a white Ford F250 in the interview that I had read about either. Another question I have is: Was the woman who lives at the same house as this neighbor (who alleges reported sightings) interviewed at the same time as he was? I have not seen a woman interviewed regarding the truck sighting. I did not hear the man say specifically what kind of truck just that it was white. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Patricia Mocha Latte on June 25, 2010, 03:56:09 PM Also seahorse we know who the person is that claims to have seen a white vehicle, truck, car, vehicle. I'm not certain at all yet that it was stated that this same neighbor had seen a white Ford F250 at the school? I haven't seen that information released yet have you? He also did not state that he had specifically seen a white Ford F250 in the interview that I had read about either. Another question I have is: Was the woman who lives at the same house as this neighbor (who alleges reported sightings) interviewed at the same time as he was? I have not seen a woman interviewed regarding the truck sighting. I did not hear the man say specifically what kind of truck just that it was white. No from what I had read there was no mention of a truck sighting. Here is what she had to say in her interview: (PS this is reposted from a few days ago.) Interesting comments imvho. http://www.aolnews.com/crime/article/oregon-boy-kyron-hormans-disappearance-now-a-criminal-case/19514892 "There's a terrible cloud over everything," said Elinor Markgraf, who has lived in the Skyline area for decades. At a high school graduation party last week, Markgraf said the mood was tense. "Nobody was talking about it," Markgraf said. "But it was so close to the surface." Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: newfie on June 25, 2010, 04:07:47 PM Hi ALL... I feel that the speculations and rumors have clouded the facts. The rumors and speculations about the pings are from an unnamed source. . The problem I see with it is that your phone will actually pick up reception from the nearest tower or sometimes the last known tower in the area your phone picked reception up from. Your phone will keep track of these towers automatically. Sauvie Island is aprox. 5 miles from the school. If she left her phone in the vehicle while she went in the school I would think the phone could have picked up that cell tower. The police are searching SI because of tips in my opinion. There are several towers in the area, and it was a rainy day to boot. Who is to say with tower was the strongest. I do not think pinging is an exact science. They can narrow it down to a few miles but that is exactly what we are talking about here. I believe we had a map earlier of all the cell towers in the area. I am on the fence as far as the step-mom. I am trying to be objective and look at facts. I am not an expert in body language, where someone places a pin, nor a childs drawing. I can only go with what is tangible and what my intuition tells me. But I do respect all other opinions and try not to be judgemental of them. This is a great site where we can all come together for a common interest and seek justice for those in need of it. I have had a few days off so I have been able to post a little more. The only facts I know of thus far is that Kyron and his step-mom were seen sometime around 8:15 a.m. I think I can also deduct that Kyron never made it to class for chaperoned touring of the fair.It is a shame that they did not have a sign in sheet for the Science fair or an RSVP so that they had an idea of who was coming to it. Hopefully LE narrowed that down with the flier.
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: seahorse on June 25, 2010, 04:59:16 PM Who exactly released the information about the cell phone pinging from Sauvie Island? I have yet to see where LE has stated as much. 2 sites stated this, Blinkoncrime and also the willamette blog. Both state unnamed sources. LE has not come out and said this so even though I love Blink and trust she is reporting what she has learned, in my eyes it is unconfirmed. OK you Monkey's certainly have a point. Blink's site mentioned the "neighbor" also has a white Truck. The full moon is rising It should be interesting weekend on Blog's. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: cartfly on June 25, 2010, 05:23:00 PM Psychologist: Kyron's parents 'role models' Last Update: 2:02 pm In the weeks following Kyron Horman's disappearance, family members spoke just once - and very briefly - at a press conference conducted by the Multnomah County Sheriff's Office. But Friday, for the first time, Kaine Horman and Desiree Young gave one-on-one interviews to local and national media. The divorced pair spoke lovingly about their 7-year-old son, who vanished from Skyline School June 4. "We just want him to come home," said Desiree Young, Kyron's mother. Both parents have re-married, Kaine to Terri Moulton Horman and Desiree to Tony Young. KOIN spoke with Dr. Wendy Bourg Ransford Friday to get her reaction of the parents' first interview. Dr. Bourg is a forensic psychologist who specializes in divorce and child trauma, and is the public education coordinator for the Oregon Psychological Association. Dr. Bourg watched the entire eight minute video of the couple, which Mike Donahue conducted early Friday morning. What first struck Dr. Bourg is the sense of strength and togetherness the divorced pair displayed. "Really, these folks are role models," Dr. Bourg said. Dr. Bourg said the common goal of the two - finding Kyron - seems to have united them in a singular purpose. She also said the parents are a rare sight among divorced couples she sees. "Usually you see high conflict in divorce, and usually it's between the wife and ex-wife, but all you see here is support," Dr. Bourg said. At first, the Horman's appeared numb - what you'd expect, said the doctor - but began to open up when KOIN's Mike Donahue asked about the end of their marriage. "It seemed like they really opened up -- especially (Desiree) the mom -- when (Mike) asked that question," Dr. Bourg said. The Horman's were faced with perhaps their most difficult question when Mike Donahue asked them if they were prepared for any outcome in the investigation. Both were taken aback, and Kaine responded first: "Honestly? No." Desiree shook her head - no - and cried softly. "They will slowly have to re-invest in their (own) lives," Dr. Bourg said. "You want to keep that piece (of hope) alive, but you also want to prepare for all possibilities." Although questions surrounded the lack of interviews done by the family, Dr. Bourg said it's not unusual at all. "These are just community folks - I don't think it's abnormal for them at all to take this long to give an interview. After (watching) I have more admiration for them." --Kyle Mallory http://www.koinlocal6.com/content/news/topstories/story/Psychologist-Kyrons-parents-role-models/Nm5TBrJyR06bNvonaOfX9Q.cspx (http://www.koinlocal6.com/content/news/topstories/story/Psychologist-Kyrons-parents-role-models/Nm5TBrJyR06bNvonaOfX9Q.cspx) Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: cartfly on June 25, 2010, 05:29:39 PM Missing 7-year-old Kyron Horman would never walk away from school, mom says
Published: Friday, June 25, 2010, 5:30 AM Updated: Friday, June 25, 2010, 1:05 PM Kate Mather, The Oregonian Kate Mather, The Oregonian Missing 7-year-old Kyron Horman would never walk away on his own from school, his mother said today. Desiree Young described her shy son as someone who likes to stick close to home. He's timid and can't see very well, she said. "He's afraid of not having his glasses on and not being able to see very far in front of him," Young said. "He always stays very close to his house in the front because he's afraid of not being able to find his house," she said. Young made the comments this morning as she and her ex-husband, Kaine Horman, Kyron's father, did a round of interviews with network TV shows to keep the boy's plight before the public. "Honestly, I am a little scared at this point," Young said. "Three weeks is a long time. We need to bring him home." They didn't say what they think might have happened to Kyron. Kyron is well-versed in "stranger danger," his parents said, but because he has some trouble following directions in school, they have worked with him on listening to teachers and parents in a school setting. When asked if Kyron might have left Skyline with an adult he didn't know, Young said she wasn't sure. "I can't say he wouldn't because [he knew] it's a stranger danger situation," Young said. "I don't know if he would recognize that." It was the third public appearance by the two since the second-grader was last seen June 4 at his rural Portland school. Although they — along with Kyron’s stepfather, Tony Young, and stepmother, Terri Moulton Horman — have attended two news conferences and answered some questions from reporters via e-mail, this marked the first time they agreed to interviews. Satellite trucks, TV cameras and reporters gathered this morning at the small church across from Skyline School, where Kyron was last seen about 8:45 a.m. three weeks ago today. The church has been the gathering point for investigators and searchers since the boy's disappearance. After attending a school science fair with his stepmother — where he showed off his project on the red-eyed tree frog — Kyron walked down the hall toward his classroom, his stepmother said. Terri Horman called school officials when Kyron didn’t get off the bus that afternoon. Investigators are working through about 2,800 tips, and "throwing every resource" at finding their boy, the parents said. The entire family is working with investigators, Kaine Horman said, including Terri Horman. "She's cooperating with investigators as passionately as are we," Horman said. Neither stepparent attended the interviews. Kaine Horman said that he and Young wanted to go before the cameras together as Kyron's natural parents. Within hours after Kyron's disappearance, multiple agencies were involved in the search for the bespectacled boy. Days later, the search — which focused on the countryside surrounding the school in northwest Multnomah County and on nearby Sauvie Island — became one of the largest in the state. More than 1,300 searchers from across Oregon, Washington and Northern California joined in, as well as 213 investigators from 42 different law enforcement agencies, including the FBI. The Multnomah County sheriff’s office has since called off the search, and the case is now considered a criminal investigation, though investigators have said they have no suspects. Kyron's family has stayed out of the media to try to keep the attention on finding Kyron, the parents said, but they hope that home videos and additional photos they released this week will help produce more information. "We've had a lot of hours where we've spent with investigators. When we're not working with the investigators or the investigation directly, it's working with all the people in the community, all the volunteers, thanking as many people as we can, focusing on efforts to get his face out. That's where our focus has been," Kaine Horman said. "It's just not given us a lot of time to put a lot of thought into statements to the public." The parents said they're trying to stay positive during the investigation. "Focusing on the hope every day is what gets me through," Young said. "If you start to let your mind stray to those areas, the hope begins to wane a little bit," Kaine Horman said. "And we can't afford that." When asked how she has been coping with her son's disappearance, Young called it "the worst hell I have ever experienced." "Honestly, it's a parent's worst nightmare. We've wracked our brains trying to think of reasons why and," Young said, her voice breaking, "I think I can speak for Kaine -- we cannot come up with anything. My sister used a phrase for somebody recently -- it's like a portal opened up in the school and Kyron just vanished into it. It's a mystery really." -- Kate Mather http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/parents_of_kyron_horman_to_app.html (http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/parents_of_kyron_horman_to_app.html) Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: seahorse on June 25, 2010, 05:42:06 PM Missing 7-year-old Kyron Horman would never walk away from school, mom says Published: Friday, June 25, 2010, 5:30 AM Updated: Friday, June 25, 2010, 1:05 PM Kate Mather, The Oregonian Kate Mather, The Oregonian Missing 7-year-old Kyron Horman would never walk away on his own from school, his mother said today. Desiree Young described her shy son as someone who likes to stick close to home. He's timid and can't see very well, she said. "He's afraid of not having his glasses on and not being able to see very far in front of him," Young said. "He always stays very close to his house in the front because he's afraid of not being able to find his house," she said. Young made the comments this morning as she and her ex-husband, Kaine Horman, Kyron's father, did a round of interviews with network TV shows to keep the boy's plight before the public. "Honestly, I am a little scared at this point," Young said. "Three weeks is a long time. We need to bring him home." They didn't say what they think might have happened to Kyron. Kyron is well-versed in "stranger danger," his parents said, but because he has some trouble following directions in school, they have worked with him on listening to teachers and parents in a school setting. When asked if Kyron might have left Skyline with an adult he didn't know, Young said she wasn't sure. "I can't say he wouldn't because [he knew] it's a stranger danger situation," Young said. "I don't know if he would recognize that." It was the third public appearance by the two since the second-grader was last seen June 4 at his rural Portland school. Although they — along with Kyron’s stepfather, Tony Young, and stepmother, Terri Moulton Horman — have attended two news conferences and answered some questions from reporters via e-mail, this marked the first time they agreed to interviews. Satellite trucks, TV cameras and reporters gathered this morning at the small church across from Skyline School, where Kyron was last seen about 8:45 a.m. three weeks ago today. The church has been the gathering point for investigators and searchers since the boy's disappearance. After attending a school science fair with his stepmother — where he showed off his project on the red-eyed tree frog — Kyron walked down the hall toward his classroom, his stepmother said. Terri Horman called school officials when Kyron didn’t get off the bus that afternoon. Investigators are working through about 2,800 tips, and "throwing every resource" at finding their boy, the parents said. The entire family is working with investigators, Kaine Horman said, including Terri Horman. "She's cooperating with investigators as passionately as are we," Horman said. Neither stepparent attended the interviews. Kaine Horman said that he and Young wanted to go before the cameras together as Kyron's natural parents. Within hours after Kyron's disappearance, multiple agencies were involved in the search for the bespectacled boy. Days later, the search — which focused on the countryside surrounding the school in northwest Multnomah County and on nearby Sauvie Island — became one of the largest in the state. More than 1,300 searchers from across Oregon, Washington and Northern California joined in, as well as 213 investigators from 42 different law enforcement agencies, including the FBI. The Multnomah County sheriff’s office has since called off the search, and the case is now considered a criminal investigation, though investigators have said they have no suspects. Kyron's family has stayed out of the media to try to keep the attention on finding Kyron, the parents said, but they hope that home videos and additional photos they released this week will help produce more information. "We've had a lot of hours where we've spent with investigators. When we're not working with the investigators or the investigation directly, it's working with all the people in the community, all the volunteers, thanking as many people as we can, focusing on efforts to get his face out. That's where our focus has been," Kaine Horman said. "It's just not given us a lot of time to put a lot of thought into statements to the public." The parents said they're trying to stay positive during the investigation. "Focusing on the hope every day is what gets me through," Young said. "If you start to let your mind stray to those areas, the hope begins to wane a little bit," Kaine Horman said. "And we can't afford that." When asked how she has been coping with her son's disappearance, Young called it "the worst hell I have ever experienced." "Honestly, it's a parent's worst nightmare. We've wracked our brains trying to think of reasons why and," Young said, her voice breaking, "I think I can speak for Kaine -- we cannot come up with anything. My sister used a phrase for somebody recently -- it's like a portal opened up in the school and Kyron just vanished into it. It's a mystery really." -- Kate Mather http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/parents_of_kyron_horman_to_app.html (http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/parents_of_kyron_horman_to_app.html) Hello Cartfly & Monkey's, Thank-you for the article. The Fox interview: Kaine said "as far to my knowledge Kyron was at the Science Fair". He doesn’t' know for sure? http://photos.oregonlive.com/oregonian/2010/06/kyron_horman_102.html (Artist -Kyron Horman) Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 25, 2010, 06:46:37 PM That was a very strange statement that Kaine made about Kyron being at the fair, to the best of my knowledge, very odd. I wish that I could shake my not so good feelings about him and the step mom.
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: seahorse on June 25, 2010, 06:58:51 PM That was a very strange statement that Kaine made about Kyron being at the fair, to the best of my knowledge, very odd. I wish that I could shake my not so good feelings about him and the step mom. Yes, I thought so too. A monkey mentioned SM rolling her eyes, while Kaine was comforting her. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZFT8wsfYr0 (about 1:00 she roll's her eyes while her husband comforts her) The feelings you cannot shake are universal, I have never seen a case like this. Why? I think it is Kyron's soul, he is just such a good little person, and I think it is SM soul is dark. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: cartfly on June 25, 2010, 07:26:31 PM I am trying to hold my tongue....
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/kyron_hormans_parents_reveal_n.html (http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/kyron_hormans_parents_reveal_n.html) Kyron Horman's parents reveal new details in interviews; mystery of boy's whereabouts remains Published: Friday, June 25, 2010, 3:30 PM Updated: Friday, June 25, 2010, 3:46 PM Kate Mather, The Oregonian Kate Mather, The Oregonian Fresh details emerged Friday about the day 7-year-old Kyron Horman disappeared from school -- his father was working at home that afternoon and also met the boy's bus -- but they shed little light on the mystery of what happened to the second-grader whose disappearance has attracted renewed national attention. In their first public interviews since Kyron went missing three weeks ago, his parents said they have no idea where he could be. He's too shy to venture off on his own and can't see well, so he wouldn't go far, they said. "It's like a portal opened up in the school and Kyron just vanished into it," said his mother, Desiree Young. Young and her ex-husband, Kaine Horman, appeared on four network morning shows to keep their son's story in the public eye. Kyron was last seen June 4 at Skyline School in the rural northwest corner of Multnomah County. After attending a school science fair with his stepmother Kyron walked down the hall toward his classroom for the beginning of class, investigators said. It's the last time anyone saw him. The intervening days have been "the worst hell I have ever experienced," Young said. The parents are dedicated to the belief that Kyron is still alive and will return to them, they said. They've thought of the possibility that Kyron was abducted, but said they refuse to let themselves think the worst. "Focusing on the hope every day is what gets me through," Young said. "If you start to let your mind stray to those areas, the hope begins to wane a little bit," Horman said. "And we can't afford that." Though the parents mostly stayed away from specific information about the investigation, Horman did talk about where he was the day Kyron disappeared. He worked that morning at Intel, but came home in the afternoon. He waited at the bus stop for Kyron with his wife, Terri Moulton Horman, and their 18-month-old daughter. When Kyron didn't get off the bus, they thought he might be waiting at Skyline because they had talked earlier of maybe going out for ice cream after school to celebrate the science fair. When they realized he wasn't there, they panicked, Horman said. Within hours, multiple agencies were involved in the search. Officials said the investigation now is focused on checking 2,800 tips that have come in and 350 questionnaires returned by Skyline staff, parents and students about anything they might have seen June 4. Kaine Horman said investigators have searched his home and property several times and would be welcome to do so as many times as needed. Both parents addressed accounts that Kyron was scheduled to perform in a talent show the day he disappeared, saying they didn't know it beforehand. They also explained why they weren't involved in the extensive ground search, saying they aren't search-and-rescue-certified and didn't want to get in the way. ****BS!!!******** They also said why they think search teams were frequently spotted on Sauvie Island: Kyron's been on several field trips there and his family visits the pumpkin patch. Young and Horman said they speak to investigators several times a day and continue to spread the word-- putting Kyron's picture on as many fliers and T-shirts as possible. "When we're not working with the investigators or the investigation directly, it's working with all the people in the community, all the volunteers, thanking as many people as we can, focusing on efforts to get his face out, Kaine Horman said, " ... It's just not given us a lot of time to put a lot of thought into statements to the public." That includes a flier the Multnomah County Sheriff's Office released last week that shows pictures of Terri Horman and a pickup similar to one she was driving June 4. A questionnaire with the flier asks people if they saw Terri Horman or the truck at Skyline School that day. Investigators have said she was the last person to report seeing Kyron at school. Kaine Horman said he fully supported the release of the questions and flier, saying they were another way to gather information about Kyron -- not something aimed at his wife. "Issuing that questionnaire is just another way to get another angle or perspective from people who were at the school that day -- and hopefully, more data points and leads that perhaps they didn't think of the first time through," he said. "I actually view it as a very positive step." Neither stepparent attended the interviews Friday, though they have appeared at earlier news conferences. Kaine Horman said that he and Young wanted to go before cameras together as Kyron's natural parents. Young noted that she couldn't help but be frustrated-- not because of anything law enforcement has done, she said, but because her son is still missing. "We want to have an answer. We want to have Kyron right here," she said, patting her lap. "And that's not happened yet." The sheriff's office called off its massive search a little more than a week after Kyron went missing, and now considers the case a criminal investigation, though officials have said they have no suspects. Young doesn't believe Kyron would venture off on his own. He's timid and tends to stick close to home, she said. "He doesn't wander off. It's not his personality type," she said. Since he can't see well, he's "afraid of not having his glasses on and not being able to see very far in front of him," she said. Young and Horman repeatedly described their son as a kind, intelligent boy with a silly sense of humor. He loves to make funny faces and be outdoors, they said, and has an infectious belly laugh. "He's the boy you hope to have when you're a father," Horman said. The last time he talked to his son, he told Kyron he was proud of him. "When I saw him that morning, I was on my way to work," Horman said. "He was out feeding our cat, heading back inside. Just gave each other a big hug, told him to have a great day at the science fair with his project, that I was proud of him for all the effort and just the amazing project he put together and to just have a wonderful day." -- Kate Mather Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Patricia Mocha Latte on June 25, 2010, 07:39:07 PM That was a very strange statement that Kaine made about Kyron being at the fair, to the best of my knowledge, very odd. I wish that I could shake my not so good feelings about him and the step mom. Yes, I thought so too. A monkey mentioned SM rolling her eyes, while Kaine was comforting her. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZFT8wsfYr0 (about 1:00 she roll's her eyes while her husband comforts her) The feelings you cannot shake are universal, I have never seen a case like this. Why? I think it is Kyron's soul, he is just such a good little person, and I think it is SM soul is dark. I looked at the video at the moment described and could not find the point where I could see an eye roll. I believe I saw SM look up then look back down rather quickly? I wouldn't consider than an eye roll though. jmo Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Patricia Mocha Latte on June 25, 2010, 07:54:40 PM cartfly I read your comment so I decided to look around and see what type of law(s) might bar the family members from searching and from everything I have discovered searchers must complete the basic SAR course and/or testing proceedures in order to recieve certification that would legally allow them to search per the laws of the State of Oregon.
Here is an informative link to check out as well: http://www.mcso.us/public/SAR.htm ? Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tracygirl on June 25, 2010, 08:00:42 PM FYI, Blink has some interesting comments she made in the comment thread of her last story on Kyron. She doesn't believe the step mom did this but perhaps something she or Kaine have done have influenced this. She stated a lifestyle choice but she didn't elaborate. She also has some thoughts regarding the glasses which I found to be upsetting to think about.
This poor little boy. He is so small and so vulnerable. It just sickens me. I think the point the mom had regarding his glasses and his fear of somehow losing them upset me the most. It was his greatest fear.... I took away from the interviews that they are trying to just concentrate on finding this boy and do not want, like or appreciate all of the speculation, can't say I blame them. There seems to be so many mistruths out there and they commented on it. One detail they specifically cleared up was Terri and Desiree didn't know one another before Terri met Kaine. Now why would that be reported? I wish everyone would confirm their "facts" before airing them. In my opinion they believe it is someone associated with the school or perhaps a parent there that day. The talk about stranger danger and the talk they recently had with Kyron about listening to adults at school, they feel that could have confused him. They have a point, don't they? If Kyron was just told to not disobey and adult and an adult told him to do something or help with something, he could have easily done so. I have to say though, I find it interesting he was having to be talked to about not listening to adults at school. Wonder what that was about? Anyway, my prayers go out to this family. I am glad to know they have not allowed their hope to fade. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tracygirl on June 25, 2010, 08:11:11 PM Does anyone have the video handy of the interview that Cartfly posted? I watched the interview on ABC, CBS and Fox and I don't recall those questions being asked and answered. I want to see this video, sounds like the best one of the morning.
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: cartfly on June 25, 2010, 08:24:46 PM cartfly I read your comment so I decided to look around and see what type of law(s) might bar the family members from searching and from everything I have discovered searchers must complete the basic SAR course and/or testing proceedures in order to recieve certification that would legally allow them to search per the laws of the State of Oregon. Thanks Patricia for the link. I thought I read in another case long ago that LE usually doesn't let the parents search because they didn't want the parent to be the one to find a body.Here is an informative link to check out as well: http://www.mcso.us/public/SAR.htm ? My "BS" comment should have been after the comment about the parents not knowing there was a "talent show". I do not believe that for a moment. I still see no emotion with Dad at all......okay climbing back on my fence now. ;) snipped by me: Both parents addressed accounts that Kyron was scheduled to perform in a talent show the day he disappeared, saying they didn't know it beforehand. They also explained why they weren't involved in the extensive ground search, saying they aren't search-and-rescue-certified and didn't want to get in the way. ****BS!!!******** Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 25, 2010, 08:29:15 PM Both parents addressed accounts that Kyron was scheduled to perform in a talent show the day he disappeared, saying they didn't know it beforehand. They also explained why they weren't involved in the extensive ground search, saying they aren't search-and-rescue-certified and didn't want to get in the way. ****BS!!!******** I can see perhaps his mother didn't know about the talent show, but find it very hard to believe his father and step mother didn't know about the talent show. I don't know about the searching part, except I would no matter what anyone said to me, you would have to lock me up for me not too. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: cartfly on June 25, 2010, 08:35:25 PM Does anyone have the video handy of the interview that Cartfly posted? I watched the interview on ABC, CBS and Fox and I don't recall those questions being asked and answered. I want to see this video, sounds like the best one of the morning. There is a video here at KOIN on the right of one of the interviews. There were four or so appearances today so the article may be a montage of all the interviews. This video at KOIN is interesting also. Desiree says she didn't know Terri before Kyron was born??Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: cartfly on June 25, 2010, 08:36:03 PM sorry forgot the link:
http://www.koinlocal6.com/default.aspx (http://www.koinlocal6.com/default.aspx) Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: cartfly on June 25, 2010, 08:44:47 PM Both parents addressed accounts that Kyron was scheduled to perform in a talent show the day he disappeared, saying they didn't know it beforehand. They also explained why they weren't involved in the extensive ground search, saying they aren't search-and-rescue-certified and didn't want to get in the way. ****BS!!!******** I can see perhaps his mother didn't know about the talent show, but find it very hard to believe his father and step mother didn't know about the talent show. I don't know about the searching part, except I would no matter what anyone said to me, you would have to lock me up for me not too. I so agree. To me there is no way Kyron would not have mentioned the talent show or a letter would have gone home regarding it, IMO. Not to mention, Terri was there that morning. How would she have missed that tidbit of information? My seven year old would have been "reminding" me for a week if there was a talent show. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tracygirl on June 25, 2010, 08:47:33 PM Does anyone have the video handy of the interview that Cartfly posted? I watched the interview on ABC, CBS and Fox and I don't recall those questions being asked and answered. I want to see this video, sounds like the best one of the morning. There is a video here at KOIN on the right of one of the interviews. There were four or so appearances today so the article may be a montage of all the interviews. This video at KOIN is interesting also. Desiree says she didn't know Terri before Kyron was born??Yes Desiree had said this on one of the interviews. Bad reporting to say the least. That is not just a little mistake, the reporter should of varified this information! Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 25, 2010, 08:48:01 PM Both parents addressed accounts that Kyron was scheduled to perform in a talent show the day he disappeared, saying they didn't know it beforehand. They also explained why they weren't involved in the extensive ground search, saying they aren't search-and-rescue-certified and didn't want to get in the way. ****BS!!!******** I can see perhaps his mother didn't know about the talent show, but find it very hard to believe his father and step mother didn't know about the talent show. I don't know about the searching part, except I would no matter what anyone said to me, you would have to lock me up for me not too. I so agree. To me there is no way Kyron would not have mentioned the talent show or a letter would have gone home regarding it, IMO. Not to mention, Terri was there that morning. How would she have missed that tidbit of information? My seven year old would have been "reminding" me for a week if there was a talent show. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: cartfly on June 25, 2010, 08:52:56 PM Both parents addressed accounts that Kyron was scheduled to perform in a talent show the day he disappeared, saying they didn't know it beforehand. They also explained why they weren't involved in the extensive ground search, saying they aren't search-and-rescue-certified and didn't want to get in the way. ****BS!!!******** I can see perhaps his mother didn't know about the talent show, but find it very hard to believe his father and step mother didn't know about the talent show. I don't know about the searching part, except I would no matter what anyone said to me, you would have to lock me up for me not too. I so agree. To me there is no way Kyron would not have mentioned the talent show or a letter would have gone home regarding it, IMO. Not to mention, Terri was there that morning. How would she have missed that tidbit of information? My seven year old would have been "reminding" me for a week if there was a talent show. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: cartfly on June 25, 2010, 08:58:17 PM Does anyone have the video handy of the interview that Cartfly posted? I watched the interview on ABC, CBS and Fox and I don't recall those questions being asked and answered. I want to see this video, sounds like the best one of the morning. There is a video here at KOIN on the right of one of the interviews. There were four or so appearances today so the article may be a montage of all the interviews. This video at KOIN is interesting also. Desiree says she didn't know Terri before Kyron was born??Yes Desiree had said this on one of the interviews. Bad reporting to say the least. That is not just a little mistake, the reporter should of varified this information! I did see another interview today but I'll be darn I can not seem to find where I saw it....it may have been a local interview. I will keep looking. Desiree looked very pretty in the interviews I thought. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tracygirl on June 25, 2010, 09:02:16 PM Thanks for the video. I still have not heard the answers as put forward by this reporter regarding the bus stop and talent show. did the reporter do a separate interview? I am confused...If I am wrong can you please pin point in the interview where the parents speak in such depth?
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: cartfly on June 25, 2010, 09:06:01 PM Raw complete Full interview video:
http://www.kgw.com/video?id=97177194&sec=547977 (http://www.kgw.com/video?id=97177194&sec=547977) Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: New Monkey on June 25, 2010, 09:11:09 PM Didn't we hear early one that there was a marquee at the school showcasing there would be a Science Fair and Talent Show? I can't remember where or when I saw that.
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: New Monkey on June 25, 2010, 09:11:30 PM Didn't we hear early one that there was a marquee at the school showcasing there would be a Science Fair and Talent Show? I can't remember where or when I saw that. Should be early on, not early "one". Sorry. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 25, 2010, 09:12:33 PM Didn't we hear early one that there was a marquee at the school showcasing there would be a Science Fair and Talent Show? I can't remember where or when I saw that. Yes, I remember reading that also, just don't know where.Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: seahorse on June 25, 2010, 09:17:50 PM http://www.kgw.com/news/local/Kyron-Hormans-parents-talk-one-on-one-with-KGW-97153384.html
Click on the blue font Video clip you are interested in. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: seahorse on June 25, 2010, 09:28:43 PM shrimpy said on June 25, 2010 at 12:55 PM
Why is it being swept under the rug regarding older step-brother, James, moving to Roseburg? He moved in the middle of a school year, first living w/his maternal Grandparents. He eventually went to live with his bio-dad and step-mom, also in Roseburg. Why? James and Terri seemed to be very close. James and Kyron also seemed quite close. I have my suspicions, but an open forum is not the place to voice my opinion regarding these particular thought's. Think about it though~why pull a high school boy, who's in the midst of his school year, out of a school which is said to be one of the very best in that area? Things which make ya go hmmmm.... Where is Kyron? Come home little buddy`safe and sound... http://www.kgw.com/news/local/Kyron-Hormans-parents-talk-one-on-one-with-KGW-97153384.html Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: seahorse on June 25, 2010, 09:31:16 PM Raw complete Full interview video: http://www.kgw.com/video?id=97177194&sec=547977 (http://www.kgw.com/video?id=97177194&sec=547977) Sorry Cartfly, didn't know you posted the clip. This is very fluid seeing Kaine upfront answering questions. The comments are interesting from the locals. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: cookie on June 25, 2010, 09:34:56 PM Didn't we hear early one that there was a marquee at the school showcasing there would be a Science Fair and Talent Show? I can't remember where or when I saw that. Yes, I remember reading that also, just don't know where.correct me if I am wrong, but I thought that I had read that Terri, Step mom, volunteered at the school also? so if she did, of course she would have known about the talent show..it would have been talked about a lot imo... my version of the SM when the camera was rolling was that she looked up to see if the camera was on her and quickly looked down/away..while she was being comforted..jmo... No idea what happened to Kyron or who took him..very puzzling! be safe little guy! Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: cartfly on June 25, 2010, 09:38:35 PM Raw complete Full interview video: http://www.kgw.com/video?id=97177194&sec=547977 (http://www.kgw.com/video?id=97177194&sec=547977) Sorry Cartfly, didn't know you posted the clip. This is very fluid seeing Kaine upfront answering questions. The comments are interesting from the locals. I think I have to retract my opinion of "no emotion" from Dad. In this video, I did see some emotion. It was in another video I saw some wheres today that I can not find again. Dad seems very serious in (a business like way) but I think he is really hurting inside from viewing the video. I do feel like he knows more than he is saying though. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: New Monkey on June 25, 2010, 09:43:45 PM Didn't we hear early one that there was a marquee at the school showcasing there would be a Science Fair and Talent Show? I can't remember where or when I saw that. Yes, I remember reading that also, just don't know where.correct me if I am wrong, but I thought that I had read that Terri, Step mom, volunteered at the school also? so if she did, of course she would have known about the talent show..it would have been talked about a lot imo... my version of the SM when the camera was rolling was that she looked up to see if the camera was on her and quickly looked down/away..while she was being comforted..jmo... No idea what happened to Kyron or who took him..very puzzling! be safe little guy! I have read TH was a sub or helper at the school, so it stands to reason she would have known about the talent show. Also, having an 8 year old myself, there's no way my little one would let me forget her talent show, so even if I didn't know about it first hand, I'd be hearing about it from her. I'm wondering right now after typing this if KH and DY were not told about the talent show because TH had this plan in mind and it would get blown if the 'rents wanted to head to the talent show. May be a reach. May not. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: cookie on June 25, 2010, 09:50:07 PM I also heard today on one of the talk shows, and I believe it was Shephard Smith's show, that Terri was Bio mom and Dads babysitter before Kyron was born...bio mom was pregnant with Kyron when she and bio dad separated...also the reason that bio dad ended up with Kyron vs the mom was because bio mom had a lot of medical bills for some reason and it was decided that bio dad was better off caring for Kyron....did anyone else hear this today?? I thought that it had cleared up some of my questions as to why bio mom did not have custody...so, did Terri take care of an older child that the couple had, either with another person or with each other since Kyron was not born yet...or is this another example of bad reporting? so much out there, hard to know what is fact and what is not!
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: New Monkey on June 25, 2010, 09:57:35 PM I also heard today on one of the talk shows, and I believe it was Shephard Smith's show, that Terri was Bio mom and Dads babysitter before Kyron was born...bio mom was pregnant with Kyron when she and bio dad separated...also the reason that bio dad ended up with Kyron vs the mom was because bio mom had a lot of medical bills for some reason and it was decided that bio dad was better off caring for Kyron....did anyone else hear this today?? I thought that it had cleared up some of my questions as to why bio mom did not have custody...so, did Terri take care of an older child that the couple had, either with another person or with each other since Kyron was not born yet...or is this another example of bad reporting? so much out there, hard to know what is fact and what is not! My understanding of the situation is that Desiree and Kaine had marital troubles and had planned to divorce. Then Desiree got pregnant. At 8 months pregnant, she left Kaine. At some point she filed a restraining order because she was scared he would remove the children from her home. The judge ruled neither party could remove the children without consent from the other. Desiree had some trouble with her kidneys. I've read she needed a kidney transplant. I've read she went to Canada to have treatment (I don't know why Canada). During this time she left Kyron with Kaine and Terri. When she returned from her medical procedures she owed $30K for them and moved in with her parents and felt Kyron would be better off with KH and TH. I don't know how accurate any of this info is. Most of it may be rumor. At this point I can't remember what is FACT and what is RUMOR. Sorry! Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: cookie on June 25, 2010, 10:02:51 PM thanks New Monkey! hard to know what is truth or fiction...sigh...
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: New Monkey on June 25, 2010, 10:06:11 PM My understanding of the situation is that Desiree and Kaine had marital troubles and had planned to divorce. Then Desiree got pregnant. At 8 months pregnant, she left Kaine. At some point she filed a restraining order because she was scared he would remove the children from her home. The judge ruled neither party could remove the children without consent from the other. Desiree had some trouble with her kidneys. I've read she needed a kidney transplant. I've read she went to Canada to have treatment (I don't know why Canada). During this time she left Kyron with Kaine and Terri. When she returned from her medical procedures she owed $30K for them and moved in with her parents and felt Kyron would be better off with KH and TH. I don't know how accurate any of this info is. Most of it may be rumor. At this point I can't remember what is FACT and what is RUMOR. Sorry! Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: seahorse on June 25, 2010, 10:20:10 PM Raw complete Full interview video: http://www.kgw.com/video?id=97177194&sec=547977 (http://www.kgw.com/video?id=97177194&sec=547977) Sorry Cartfly, didn't know you posted the clip. This is very fluid seeing Kaine upfront answering questions. The comments are interesting from the locals. I think I have to retract my opinion of "no emotion" from Dad. In this video, I did see some emotion. It was in another video I saw some wheres today that I can not find again. Dad seems very serious in (a business like way) but I think he is really hurting inside from viewing the video. I do feel like he knows more than he is saying though. I agree. He may be very self-disciplined. I do not buy the ice cream story. Do they usually eat ice cream before supper? They both waited at the Bus stop? Men do not have patience to wait for a bus especially when his wife was there, that is off. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: cartfly on June 25, 2010, 10:23:03 PM Bombshell tonight.....(sorry I couldn't resist) Hi Cookie, this may help answer some of your questionshttp://wweek.com/editorial/3633/14183/ (http://wweek.com/editorial/3633/14183/) BY JAMES PITKIN | jpitkin at wweek dot com [June 23rd, 2010] In the nearly three weeks since Kyron Horman disappeared, law enforcement officials, reporters and thousands of online commenters have focused their attention on the 7-year-old boy’s fractured family. The Sunday Oregonian devoted its front page June 20 to a story detailing relations between the boy’s biological mother and stepfather, who live in Medford, and his father and stepmom, who lived with Kyron in Portland. The headline called them a “close, supportive group.” But a WW review of dozens of court documents paints a very different portrait. These documents reveal a family that has at times been divided by rocky divorce, suspicion and—in the case of one uncle—sex abuse. This side of the family’s history takes on new emphasis as the investigation into the boy’s June 4 disappearance from Skyline Elementary School drags on. As first reported June 17 on wweek.com, sources in law enforcement say investigators are increasingly focusing on the stepmom’s whereabouts the day Kyron vanished. She’s the last person known to have seen the boy. When he disappeared, Kyron was living with his father, Kaine Horman, and stepmom, Terri Moulton Horman, at their $292,000 home off secluded Northwest Sheltered Nook Road. Kaine Horman is an Intel engineer who made $90,000 back in 2002, according to court records. Terri Moulton Horman is a former bodybuilder and ex-teacher who last worked for the Hillsboro School District, state records show. The Oregonian reports she gave birth to Kaine Horman’s daughter, Kiara, in December 2008. Kaine Horman had been married once before, to Kyron’s biological mother, who now goes by the name Desiree Young. Washington County Circuit Court records show Young was pregnant with Kyron, the couple’s only child, when she filed for divorce from Kaine in August 2002. She cited irreconcilable differences. What hasn’t been made public is the fact that, a month after filing for divorce, Young sought a restraining order against Kaine Horman, Kyron’s dad. At the time, she had a 7-year-old son from a previous marriage. In court documents, Young said she feared Kaine Horman would “remove our children from their residence.” It’s unclear whether the couple was living together at the time. Washington County Circuit Judge Donald Letourneau granted Young’s request, forbidding either her or Kaine Horman from taking the children without the other’s consent. According to Washington County Circuit Court records, Terri Moulton Horman has been married twice before and has a 16-year-old son, James Moulton, from her first marriage. She married her second husband, Richard Ecker, in 1996. He adopted James in 1998, court records show. Three years later, they filed for divorce. At the time the couple agreed James would stay with Terri Moulton Horman and visit Ecker three times a week. “I love him very much, and he calls me dad and always has,” Ecker wrote in court records. Although it’s not been made public, court records reveal that in 2008—a year after she married Kaine Horman—Terri Moulton Horman wrote the court, saying Ecker had ceased all contact with the family for three years. Washington County ordered him to start paying $493 a month, and the issue has since faded from the public record. That same year, Kaine Horman’s brother, Kristian Horman, was arrested for child molestation. Snohomish County Superior Court records say Kristian Horman, 32, was living with his girlfriend, her mother and his 1-year-old son in Bothell, Wash. On Oct. 24, 2008, the daughter of Kristian Horman’s ex-wife stayed at his house while his girlfriend was out of town. The records say Kristian Horman invited the girl, who was 15, to sleep in his bed. He massaged her back, then began rubbing her crotch. The girl left the bed and called her mother, and Kristian Horman apologized. When police interviewed him, Kristian Horman at first said he was asleep and couldn’t remember what had happened. Finally he confessed, according to court records, saying he was trying to “arouse and initiate relations” with the girl. Police asked Kristian Horman what he was thinking about after the girl pulled away. He then revealed there was a history of abuse in the Horman family, court records show, and said his grandfather had abused him. “He indicated that he was thinking about all the stuff his grandfather had done to him,” the court records say, “and remembering how he felt during the time.” Kristian Horman was sentenced June 16 to six months in jail. BUMPING for Cookie Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: cartfly on June 25, 2010, 10:26:49 PM Oops, thanks New Monkey, I see you answered Cookies questions. Thanks :)
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: cartfly on June 25, 2010, 10:29:42 PM My understanding of the situation is that Desiree and Kaine had marital troubles and had planned to divorce. Then Desiree got pregnant. At 8 months pregnant, she left Kaine. At some point she filed a restraining order because she was scared he would remove the children from her home. The judge ruled neither party could remove the children without consent from the other. Desiree had some trouble with her kidneys. I've read she needed a kidney transplant. I've read she went to Canada to have treatment (I don't know why Canada). During this time she left Kyron with Kaine and Terri. When she returned from her medical procedures she owed $30K for them and moved in with her parents and felt Kyron would be better off with KH and TH. I don't know how accurate any of this info is. Most of it may be rumor. At this point I can't remember what is FACT and what is RUMOR. Sorry! Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tracygirl on June 25, 2010, 10:34:41 PM Raw complete Full interview video: http://www.kgw.com/video?id=97177194&sec=547977 (http://www.kgw.com/video?id=97177194&sec=547977) Thanks! I will watch it tonight after my children go to bed. Uggh this case is just sickening. The thought of this poor little timid, shy boy being taken like this, possibly hurt or worse is just too much for me to take. Who ever took him needs to have every day for the rest of life just pure hell on earth. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: cartfly on June 25, 2010, 10:54:30 PM My apologies if posted already:
Kyron among 591 missing Oregon children by Kyle Iboshi, KGW Staff kgw.com Posted on June 23, 2010 at 6:53 AM Updated Wednesday, Jun 23 at 3:15 PM Related: PORTLAND -- The disappearance of seven year-old Kyron Horman is attracting widespread publicity. But, there are many other missing children who don't draw the same headlines. According to Oregon State Police, there are 591 missing children in the state. Washington reports 1,114 children are reported missing. Investigators said that, in roughly 95-97% of the cases, the missing children were runaways. Two- to three-percent involved custody issues. But occasionally, there were a few cases like Kyron Horman where a child disappears due to unknown circumstances. The second grader was last seen inside Skyline School on June 4th. Background: Kyron Horman case Starr Lara said she understands the pain of not knowing. Her sister Jaime Grissim was last seen headed to Fort Vancouver High School in December of 1971. "You know it is just grief every day. It is very painful. And I think families can accept a lot of things but not knowing, that is really hard," she said. Community response will always be an important factor, according to police. If neighbors pull together by printing posters and getting the word out, a case will likely receive a lot more attention and potentially more clues. http://www.kgw.com/home/591-children-missing-in-OR-1114-in-WA-96973329.html (http://www.kgw.com/home/591-children-missing-in-OR-1114-in-WA-96973329.html) Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: cartfly on June 25, 2010, 11:15:36 PM Was Wyks on to something????? This is very disturbing. (I need to google Club Sesso for more info here.) If you haven't read this article below yet:
(from comments on Blink.com) http://www.oregonlive.com/O/index.ssf/2010/04/sex_and_the_city_of_portland.html (http://www.oregonlive.com/O/index.ssf/2010/04/sex_and_the_city_of_portland.html) Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: cartfly on June 25, 2010, 11:50:55 PM Praying for sweet Kyron to come home soon.
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: cartfly on June 26, 2010, 12:21:34 AM Apparently, I have been living in a cave all my life! I just went to "Club Sesso's" website and I am officially nauseous and bewildered. (monkey shaking head with disbelief) And this is legal?
I am no prude but what the hell has happened to society? And Oregon wonders why they have so many SO's and perverts? I always wondered about the lax sentences in that state. This has touched on my deepest fears even if it has no relation to Kyron's disappearing, I fear for all the children of Oregon. I know this club is supposed to be for "21 year olds and up" but I think this kind of behavior just fuels deviant sexual desires/fantasy that eventually involve children in some people. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 26, 2010, 09:03:46 AM Apparently, I have been living in a cave all my life! I just went to "Club Sesso's" website and I am officially nauseous and bewildered. (monkey shaking head with disbelief) And this is legal? And the club is owned by Ron Jeremy the porn king. Portland sure has a lot of strip clubs.I am no prude but what the hell has happened to society? And Oregon wonders why they have so many SO's and perverts? I always wondered about the lax sentences in that state. This has touched on my deepest fears even if it has no relation to Kyron's disappearing, I fear for all the children of Oregon. I know this club is supposed to be for "21 year olds and up" but I think this kind of behavior just fuels deviant sexual desires/fantasy that eventually involve children in some people. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: newfie on June 26, 2010, 09:31:55 AM Good Morning all... Still no news. I have been seeing comments about Club Sesso. What does this have to do with Kyron? Is there any proof that anyone in his family were a member of this club? It just sounds like more fodder for the rumor mill. These cases make it difficult to decipher fact from fiction with all of the accusations flying around without anything to back them. Again I don't mean to sound peevish but Kyron deserves focus on him and help in discovering the truth.
Some facts: Kyron said goodbye to dad during his a.m. chore of feeding the cat. Kyron's dad went to work in a.m. Kyron's stepmom drove Kyron and his project to school in the truck. The reason I say truck is because LE sent out a flier asking people if they saw the truck which leads me to believe she drove it that morning. The PTA president arrived aprox. 8:15 and saw Kyron and his step-mom sometime around then, she stated that the stepmom took a pic of Kyron in front of his project. (somewhere between 8:15 and ? the teacher claims to have seen the stepmom and Kyron , two other teachers also saw them) What time did the teacher head back to her class? The automatic bell rang at 8:45, the busses arrived sometime before that. When was roll call taken that day? I will see if I can find something on that. The stepmom needs to have some witnesses step forward if she ran errands that morning someone had to have seen her. Who was watching her little girl? What time did she pick her little girl up? Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: newfie on June 26, 2010, 09:33:13 AM oops please always excuse my grammar and spelling... I need to proofread!
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: seahorse on June 26, 2010, 09:45:17 AM Kyron Horman's parents reveal new details in interviews; mystery of boy's whereabouts remains
Published: Friday, June 25, 2010, 8:16 PM Updated: Friday, June 25, 2010, 10:44 PM http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/kyron_hormans_parents_reveal_n.html snip... Young and Horman repeatedly described their son as a kind, intelligent boy with a silly sense of humor. He loves to make funny faces and be outdoors, they said, and has an infectious belly laugh. "He's the boy you hope to have when you're a father," Horman said. The last time he talked to his son, he told Kyron he was proud of him. "When I saw him that morning, I was on my way to work," Horman said. "He was out feeding our cat, heading back inside. Just gave each other a big hug, told him to have a great day at the science fair with his project, that I was proud of him for all the effort and just the amazing project he put together and to just have a wonderful day." snip... Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: seahorse on June 26, 2010, 09:48:51 AM Good Morning all... Still no news. I have been seeing comments about Club Sesso. What does this have to do with Kyron? Is there any proof that anyone in his family were a member of this club? It just sounds like more fodder for the rumor mill. These cases make it difficult to decipher fact from fiction with all of the accusations flying around without anything to back them. Again I don't mean to sound peevish but Kyron deserves focus on him and help in discovering the truth. Some facts: Kyron said goodbye to dad during his a.m. chore of feeding the cat. Kyron's dad went to work in a.m. Kyron's stepmom drove Kyron and his project to school in the truck. The reason I say truck is because LE sent out a flier asking people if they saw the truck which leads me to believe she drove it that morning. The PTA president arrived aprox. 8:15 and saw Kyron and his step-mom sometime around then, she stated that the stepmom took a pic of Kyron in front of his project. (somewhere between 8:15 and ? the teacher claims to have seen the stepmom and Kyron , two other teachers also saw them) What time did the teacher head back to her class? The automatic bell rang at 8:45, the busses arrived sometime before that. When was roll call taken that day? I will see if I can find something on that. The stepmom needs to have some witnesses step forward if she ran errands that morning someone had to have seen her. Who was watching her little girl? What time did she pick her little girl up? Newfie, Could you kindly tell me what "window" as to when Kyron went missing? was it fifteen minutes? 8:45-09:00? or do we not know? Thank-you, Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: seahorse on June 26, 2010, 09:56:00 AM Sorry, Newfie, I found a link
snip... If both the 8:45am and 9:00am times and stories are correct, We must believe Kyron just stood alone in the hallway for 15 minutes after telling his stepmother he was going to his classroom and while walking down the stairs he simply disappeared from the face of the earth. The perpetrator of this crime wants us to believe this and will come out fighting to defend it. 9:00am was the scheduled time for all of the children to be in their classes. If Kyron had told his step mother he was going to his class at 8:45am. There must be a reason Kyron never got to his classroom. Did Kyron wander? No, of course not. snip.... http://www.detectiveforums.com/forums/general-discussion/kyron-horman-disappearance-this-what-happened-t8417.html Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 26, 2010, 10:03:46 AM I was just reading comments on Blink's site, and excuse me for asking who is Lisa? Somewhere along the way I missed this person, thank-you.
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 26, 2010, 10:09:17 AM I was just reading comments on Blink's site, and excuse me for asking who is Lisa? Somewhere along the way I missed this person, thank-you. I guess that Lisa is Tanner's mom?Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 26, 2010, 10:15:17 AM I'm going to assume whatever this so called lifestyle may be, it is going to open up a very ugly can of worms?
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: seahorse on June 26, 2010, 10:15:49 AM Monkey's,
Interesting... http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=113113938734246&topic=83 Pandora Post: 313 http://www.justicequest.net/forums/showthread.php?t=51144&page=11 Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: newfie on June 26, 2010, 10:24:38 AM Thanks Seahorse, So I am guessing the groups with chaperones formed at 9:00 a.m. Was roll called then or after the tour? We do not know if Kyron was just standing in the hallway for 15 minutes as all of the times given are approximations. Also why would he be just standing there? At that point the school would be buzzing with children going to their classes, parents saying goodbye, etc. Kyron would not be a sole person in the halls. Sorry, Newfie, I found a link snip... If both the 8:45am and 9:00am times and stories are correct, We must believe Kyron just stood alone in the hallway for 15 minutes after telling his stepmother he was going to his classroom and while walking down the stairs he simply disappeared from the face of the earth. The perpetrator of this crime wants us to believe this and will come out fighting to defend it. 9:00am was the scheduled time for all of the children to be in their classes. If Kyron had told his step mother he was going to his class at 8:45am. There must be a reason Kyron never got to his classroom. Did Kyron wander? No, of course not. snip.... http://www.detectiveforums.com/forums/general-discussion/kyron-horman-disappearance-this-what-happened-t8417.html Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 26, 2010, 10:28:51 AM Monkey's, Wow, that is never good when your own father has doubts about you, not good at all.Interesting... http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=113113938734246&topic=83 Pandora Post: 313 http://www.justicequest.net/forums/showthread.php?t=51144&page=11 Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: newfie on June 26, 2010, 10:29:22 AM Hi No Rose, I guess I am lost, :( are there links telling us that the Horman's are members of this club? I'm going to assume whatever this so called lifestyle may be, it is going to open up a very ugly can of worms? Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 26, 2010, 10:31:17 AM Hi No Rose, I guess I am lost, :( are there links telling us that the Horman's are members of this club? I'm going to assume whatever this so called lifestyle may be, it is going to open up a very ugly can of worms? Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 26, 2010, 10:32:54 AM I'm not sure if you know where Blink's site is, it is on the top right of the SM forum, under crime.
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: seahorse on June 26, 2010, 10:33:40 AM Monkey's, Wow, that is never good when your own father has doubts about you, not good at all.Interesting... http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=113113938734246&topic=83 Pandora Post: 313 http://www.justicequest.net/forums/showthread.php?t=51144&page=11 I believe the truck was taken in TWICE...I don't wish to scream, LOL , I found that most interesting, if true. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: seahorse on June 26, 2010, 10:39:00 AM Thanks Seahorse, So I am guessing the groups with chaperones formed at 9:00 a.m. Was roll called then or after the tour? We do not know if Kyron was just standing in the hallway for 15 minutes as all of the times given are approximations. Also why would he be just standing there? At that point the school would be buzzing with children going to their classes, parents saying goodbye, etc. Kyron would not be a sole person in the halls. Sorry, Newfie, I found a link snip... If both the 8:45am and 9:00am times and stories are correct, We must believe Kyron just stood alone in the hallway for 15 minutes after telling his stepmother he was going to his classroom and while walking down the stairs he simply disappeared from the face of the earth. The perpetrator of this crime wants us to believe this and will come out fighting to defend it. 9:00am was the scheduled time for all of the children to be in their classes. If Kyron had told his step mother he was going to his class at 8:45am. There must be a reason Kyron never got to his classroom. Did Kyron wander? No, of course not. snip.... http://www.detectiveforums.com/forums/general-discussion/kyron-horman-disappearance-this-what-happened-t8417.html Newfie, To quote Nancy Grace (LOL) "It doesn't make sense", (you are welcome) I didn't orginally post the article I think Sunshine 12 posted it the other day (detective blog, Sunshine12 gleaned it from I.S.(lol). Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 26, 2010, 10:42:57 AM Almost all of this doesn't make sense, so I will continue to go with the most obvious to me. If there is a lifestyle that is shady, for lack of a better word, what I don't get is why do something to an innocent 7 year old child, why not go after the person that did the actually thing that has angered you?
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: cookie on June 26, 2010, 10:53:05 AM thanks for all the articles, replies and bumps about Kyron....and I have to confess, after reading and reading, I am still confused...
I thought that I had read/heard that bio dad was working from home that day hence the reason that he was at the bus stop with SM...then another article said that the last time bio dad saw Kryon, Kryon was feeding the cat and bio dad was leaving for work...am I mixed up? thanks Monkey friends... Prayers for Kyron! Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 26, 2010, 10:56:03 AM thanks for all the articles, replies and bumps about Kyron....and I have to confess, after reading and reading, I am still confused... Evidently the father did go to work, but then came home and did his work from home. I don't know why he did that, or if that is the truth.I thought that I had read/heard that bio dad was working from home that day hence the reason that he was at the bus stop with SM...then another article said that the last time bio dad saw Kryon, Kryon was feeding the cat and bio dad was leaving for work...am I mixed up? thanks Monkey friends... Prayers for Kyron! Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: cookie on June 26, 2010, 11:00:00 AM I wish LE would come out with some real facts and eliminate some of the double stories, rumors out there! I hated that about the Haleigh Cummings case...I don't even read about her anymore on blogs..too many untruths and rumors and innuendos...I sure hope that this disappearance doesn't end up being like that! anyone can start something on a blog and before you know it, it is copied somewhere else as the gospel and no one knows what is really fact from fiction...know what I mean?
at least with the Caylee Anthony case we have facts to deal with... Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: newfie on June 26, 2010, 11:22:07 AM Thanks no Rose I found Blinks site. Again it is all merely conjecture. I agree cookie... it is really hard to decipher fact from fiction, this is all like that telephone game we played in school years ago. By the time the first statement gets to the 20th person it is all jumbled and nothing like the original message. I wish LE would either deny or confirm Terri Horman's where abouts that a.m. That would put alot of the rumors to bed. We are all pseudo armchair detectives here and can only speculate or try to read into what is being said. I am currently going back to school and writing and reading here makes me realize how I need to improve on my grammar. Though the main reason I am here, is because I have a strong value system, and believe in justice as do many others here. I know Caylee will get hers, but there are so many others like Haliegh, Gabriel, and now I wonder about Kyron.
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: cookie on June 26, 2010, 11:27:33 AM Thanks no Rose I found Blinks site. Again it is all merely conjecture. I agree cookie... it is really hard to decipher fact from fiction, this is all like that telephone game we played in school years ago. By the time the first statement gets to the 20th person it is all jumbled and nothing like the original message. I wish LE would either deny or confirm Terri Horman's where abouts that a.m. That would put alot of the rumors to bed. We are all pseudo armchair detectives here and can only speculate or try to read into what is being said. I am currently going back to school and writing and reading here makes me realize how I need to improve on my grammar. Though the main reason I am here, is because I have a strong value system, and believe in justice as do many others here. I know Caylee will get hers, but there are so many others like Haliegh, Gabriel, and now I wonder about Kyron. right Newfie..there are so many good hearted people here... Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: seahorse on June 26, 2010, 11:36:29 AM thanks for all the articles, replies and bumps about Kyron....and I have to confess, after reading and reading, I am still confused... Evidently the father did go to work, but then came home and did his work from home. I don't know why he did that, or if that is the truth.I thought that I had read/heard that bio dad was working from home that day hence the reason that he was at the bus stop with SM...then another article said that the last time bio dad saw Kryon, Kryon was feeding the cat and bio dad was leaving for work...am I mixed up? thanks Monkey friends... Prayers for Kyron! The father came home so he could wait at the bus stop for the school bus so they could get ice cream. Who believes that? Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: seahorse on June 26, 2010, 11:39:38 AM Thanks no Rose I found Blinks site. Again it is all merely conjecture. I agree cookie... it is really hard to decipher fact from fiction, this is all like that telephone game we played in school years ago. By the time the first statement gets to the 20th person it is all jumbled and nothing like the original message. I wish LE would either deny or confirm Terri Horman's where abouts that a.m. That would put alot of the rumors to bed. We are all pseudo armchair detectives here and can only speculate or try to read into what is being said. I am currently going back to school and writing and reading here makes me realize how I need to improve on my grammar. Though the main reason I am here, is because I have a strong value system, and believe in justice as do many others here. I know Caylee will get hers, but there are so many others like Haliegh, Gabriel, and now I wonder about Kyron. right Newfie..there are so many good hearted people here... Good heart people with good questions, good answers, good manners but not good grammar :) Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Blink34 on June 26, 2010, 11:42:18 AM My apologies for not commenting much in this thread, I am jammed to keep up with both sites, I appreciate everyone keeping the dialogue going for Kyron.
Latest Article: http://blinkoncrime.com/2010/06/23/new-clues-in-kyron-horman-search-fact-or-fiction-you-decide/ Past Coverage: http://blinkoncrime.com/category/kyron-horman/ scroll down through above for all Kyron articles. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: seahorse on June 26, 2010, 11:50:09 AM Comment:
Amy Thorne It is EXTREMELY common for Intel employees to work from home. My husband works on the same floor as Kaine, and does the same thing. It isn't questionable behavior for any of them to do that. 11 hours ago · 1 person · Flag http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=113113938734246&topic=83#!/posted.php?id=125336750831264&share_id=134648019886584&comments=1#s134648019886584 ME (It may be common to get ice cream before dinner, too) Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: mediamama on June 26, 2010, 12:04:18 PM I was just reading comments on Blink's site, and excuse me for asking who is Lisa? Somewhere along the way I missed this person, thank-you. I guess that Lisa is Tanner's mom?Yes. Here's her MySpace page: http://www.myspace.com/pebbles1800 And her FB page: http://www.facebook.com/#!/lpumala?ref=ts Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: seahorse on June 26, 2010, 12:17:46 PM Monkey's,
I know you want to focus on real stuff. I have a comment: The reason those Stinker's came out yesterday was only to get ahead of the People article. They didn't wait three weeks to come out for Kyron,(CYA) because of the People article. You Monkey's are going to growl, but they are self-interested. IMO Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: mediamama on June 26, 2010, 12:20:50 PM FYI, Blink has some interesting comments she made in the comment thread of her last story on Kyron. She doesn't believe the step mom did this but perhaps something she or Kaine have done have influenced this. She stated a lifestyle choice but she didn't elaborate. She also has some thoughts regarding the glasses which I found to be upsetting to think about. This poor little boy. He is so small and so vulnerable. It just sickens me. I think the point the mom had regarding his glasses and his fear of somehow losing them upset me the most. It was his greatest fear.... I took away from the interviews that they are trying to just concentrate on finding this boy and do not want, like or appreciate all of the speculation, can't say I blame them. There seems to be so many mistruths out there and they commented on it. One detail they specifically cleared up was Terri and Desiree didn't know one another before Terri met Kaine. Now why would that be reported? I wish everyone would confirm their "facts" before airing them. In my opinion they believe it is someone associated with the school or perhaps a parent there that day. The talk about stranger danger and the talk they recently had with Kyron about listening to adults at school, they feel that could have confused him. They have a point, don't they? If Kyron was just told to not disobey and adult and an adult told him to do something or help with something, he could have easily done so. I have to say though, I find it interesting he was having to be talked to about not listening to adults at school. Wonder what that was about? Anyway, my prayers go out to this family. I am glad to know they have not allowed their hope to fade. Hi Tracy. I too believe it could have been a parent...one perhaps associated with the lifestyle Blink talks about (BTW, I am JEN on her site) and am feeling in my gut at this point that things are coming together wrt the POI. Reading between the lines over at Blink's site, it is becoming more clear (at least to me, and I could be completely wrong, lol) that there are several huge elements pointing to one or two suspects. What I still would very much like to know is the true rationale behind sending James to his grandparents' house. I am now wondering if the POI had "expressed interest" or actually perp'd James at some point and his move to his grandparents' was a defensive move on the Hormans' part. And I also wonder when Terri and Kaine knew that he'd been taken. There's something hinky about the "getting off the bus/ice cream" story, and I wonder if the perp had already contacted them by that point and/or returned the glasses. Head spinning. Must go do yardwork now. :) Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 26, 2010, 12:39:38 PM I was just reading comments on Blink's site, and excuse me for asking who is Lisa? Somewhere along the way I missed this person, thank-you. I guess that Lisa is Tanner's mom?Yes. Here's her MySpace page: http://www.myspace.com/pebbles1800 And her FB page: http://www.facebook.com/#!/lpumala?ref=ts Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 26, 2010, 12:43:40 PM Monkey's, You won't get any growling from me. Never thought about coming out before the People magazine article.I know you want to focus on real stuff. I have a comment: The reason those Stinker's came out yesterday was only to get ahead of the People article. They didn't wait three weeks to come out for Kyron,(CYA) because of the People article. You Monkey's are going to growl, but they are self-interested. IMO Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tracygirl on June 26, 2010, 01:41:21 PM I am not sure about the teenaged boy or if it is related, could be I suppose but then again it could be something completely different. He didn't know his bio dad and that is who he ended up moving in with so that leads me to guess it was just concerning that.
I think alot of things are just being read into a bit more then what is necessary. For all we know every Friday he could have worked a 1/2 day and then came home to work. Everyday people work from home, it is common in todays work environment.The ice cream thing, well that to me is just a way to celebrate something special. sounds like fun! Both parents picking up Kyron from the bus stop? Why is that unusual? As a family they walked to the bus stop. Cant it just mean that? The swinger thing, I mean really. How do we know that? I have to say, if someone assumed that about me, I would be very upset. There is no reason to start with that. Nothing about the backround of any of the parents would indicate they are into such things. I think the interviews were done because as this case goes into the 3rd week, they want to keep this little boys picture and story out there. They seemed very centered to find their son. I believe that is their motive for everything they are doing, they want Kyron home. I suppose we could read into every word, every gesture to try to figure out if they are lying or covering for someone or we can believe them until there is not a reason to believe them. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: seahorse on June 26, 2010, 01:51:56 PM Monkey's, You won't get any growling from me. Never thought about coming out before the People magazine article.I know you want to focus on real stuff. I have a comment: The reason those Stinker's came out yesterday was only to get ahead of the People article. They didn't wait three weeks to come out for Kyron,(CYA) because of the People article. You Monkey's are going to growl, but they are self-interested. IMO LOL.. I didn't think of it at first either...it was the "ice cream" comment, make sense after I thought about it. The ice cream comment Father wanted to paint their family life like "Happy Day's" if anyone remember that. Why because crap was a coming from SM Pop. KH also stressed no one else was being a spokesman for the family, "just them"... I hope the I.S. doesn't growl...:) I posted this on Who's Who and I gave credit to where and who posted it.. Poster: InSight O-O #130 This is the 2009/2010 Parent Handbook for Kyron's school http://www.pps.k12.or.us/schools/peninsula/files/peninsula_PS_HB_cal_0910.pdf http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?t=369121&page=4 Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 26, 2010, 01:59:09 PM I have no idea where the swinger stuff started, I'm guessing that when a certain lifestyle was mentioned people jumped to that. If there is a questionable lifestyle it could be a number of things besides swinging. One thing that I've noticed following cases for years and years, is that nothing looks like it may first appear to look. Many families may look like the All American Family, but when digging further they aren't. I am of the notion that the All American Family does not exist, but that is my opinion and I'm sticking with it.
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: darla on June 26, 2010, 02:11:31 PM I am not sure about the teenaged boy or if it is related, could be I suppose but then again it could be something completely different. He didn't know his bio dad and that is who he ended up moving in with so that leads me to guess it was just concerning that. I think alot of things are just being read into a bit more then what is necessary. For all we know every Friday he could have worked a 1/2 day and then came home to work. Everyday people work from home, it is common in todays work environment.The ice cream thing, well that to me is just a way to celebrate something special. sounds like fun! Both parents picking up Kyron from the bus stop? Why is that unusual? As a family they walked to the bus stop. Cant it just mean that? The swinger thing, I mean really. How do we know that? I have to say, if someone assumed that about me, I would be very upset. There is no reason to start with that. Nothing about the backround of any of the parents would indicate they are into such things. I think the interviews were done because as this case goes into the 3rd week, they want to keep this little boys picture and story out there. They seemed very centered to find their son. I believe that is their motive for everything they are doing, they want Kyron home. I suppose we could read into every word, every gesture to try to figure out if they are lying or covering for someone or we can believe them until there is not a reason to believe them. Tracygirl I have to agree with you. Just so many rumors . Nothing has been confirmed on anything that I know of. I just do not see Desiree and Kaine doing interviews to cover for Terri. The People interview was about Terri. I have also took the grandkids and my kids when they were small out for treats after school. I know for a fact that most of them are starving at the end of school,because most do not eat the lunchroom meals. Most parents work this day and time and do not get dinner ready til late, so any treat they had at 3:30 or 4 will not interfere with diinner Forgot my Monkey Manners Good Afternoon Monkeys and Guest! Sorry if my bad grammer offends. Didn't realize we were being graded. lol Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: seahorse on June 26, 2010, 02:12:57 PM I have no idea where the swinger stuff started, I'm guessing that when a certain lifestyle was mentioned people jumped to that. If there is a questionable lifestyle it could be a number of things besides swinging. One thing that I've noticed following cases for years and years, is that nothing looks like it may first appear to look. Many families may look like the All American Family, but when digging further they aren't. I am of the notion that the All American Family does not exist, but that is my opinion and I'm sticking with it. The "Van Dam" family is an example; nothing looks like it may first appear to look. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 26, 2010, 02:12:58 PM Hi Darla, gee if my grammar is being graded I'm in big trouble LOL Who knows what is rumor or not, very frustrating.
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 26, 2010, 02:15:17 PM I have no idea where the swinger stuff started, I'm guessing that when a certain lifestyle was mentioned people jumped to that. If there is a questionable lifestyle it could be a number of things besides swinging. One thing that I've noticed following cases for years and years, is that nothing looks like it may first appear to look. Many families may look like the All American Family, but when digging further they aren't. I am of the notion that the All American Family does not exist, but that is my opinion and I'm sticking with it. The "Van Dam" family is an example; nothing looks like it may first appear to look. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: darla on June 26, 2010, 02:19:13 PM Hi Darla, gee if my grammar is being graded I'm in big trouble LOL Who knows what is rumor or not, very frustrating. Hi NoRose....I know what you mean. This has gone on way to long. Kyron should have been found weeks ago. My heart aches for him. He reminds me so much of my Jordan, so timid and shy. I just don't feel like this is going to end well. Praying I am wrong. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: darla on June 26, 2010, 02:30:42 PM Ok, Something just jumped out at me. Tanner was said to have been Kyron's deskmate. To me deskmates mean they sat side by side. Right? Well the interviewer said that Tanner was 8 and a third grader. Kyron was in second grade. Hummmmm.
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 26, 2010, 02:32:12 PM Hi Darla, gee if my grammar is being graded I'm in big trouble LOL Who knows what is rumor or not, very frustrating. Hi NoRose....I know what you mean. This has gone on way to long. Kyron should have been found weeks ago. My heart aches for him. He reminds me so much of my Jordan, so timid and shy. I just don't feel like this is going to end well. Praying I am wrong. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 26, 2010, 02:33:01 PM Ok, Something just jumped out at me. Tanner was said to have been Kyron's deskmate. To me deskmates mean they sat side by side. Right? Well the interviewer said that Tanner was 8 and a third grader. Kyron was in second grade. Hummmmm. Wondered that also, could they have a mixed classroom with second and third graders?Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: tcumom on June 26, 2010, 02:50:52 PM Where I teach, the school website shows if a class is a combination of grade levels.
I've just been reading over here, and thought I'd mention that...but y'all have probably already checked out the classroom descriptions. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 26, 2010, 03:01:13 PM Where I teach, the school website shows if a class is a combination of grade levels. Thanks, I just threw that out there to make some sense on how the two could be desk mates if one is in second grade and one is in third grade. When my kids were little there was mixed classes, and didn't know if that was still done or not.I've just been reading over here, and thought I'd mention that...but y'all have probably already checked out the classroom descriptions. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: tcumom on June 26, 2010, 03:40:13 PM I am really behind on this thread ~ usually over on Natalee Holloway thread...
Anyway, could someone please explain about the eyeglasses? Were Kyron's found, or what? Thanks for whatever you can share! Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 26, 2010, 03:49:58 PM I am really behind on this thread ~ usually over on Natalee Holloway thread... I can explain the best I have gathered. Some people tend to think those are really his glasses and others don't. Blink's site under crime on the right top of the page, there are many comments about this, it is the second article from the top. I have no idea if they are his or a pair that looks like his.Anyway, could someone please explain about the eyeglasses? Were Kyron's found, or what? Thanks for whatever you can share! Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: tcumom on June 26, 2010, 03:51:42 PM Thanks, norose ~ and, by the way, I don't know of any schools around here that still combine grade levels....
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 26, 2010, 03:59:23 PM Thanks, norose ~ and, by the way, I don't know of any schools around here that still combine grade levels.... This was when we lived in my hometown in Wisconsin many years ago when the kids were little, I wasn't sure about that being like that anymore, and you are welcome.Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: seahorse on June 26, 2010, 04:23:25 PM I didn't know searchers ate baked potatoes for energy. These posting bottom of the webpage.
http://web.me.com/owensfamily4/Bring_Kyron_Home/HOME.html ARCHIVED UPDATES URGENT NEED FOR HELP!! Update 6/11/10 11:45am Can anyone help us bake 150 potatoes to take to the Search and Rescue teams? We have the potatoes. We just need ovens to bake them in! Please email us if you can help! Thanks! bringkyronhome@me.com BANNERS We are hanging the banners up on the overpasses today. Pictures and video will be posted here. BRACELETS We are trying to find a company who can get the bracelets to us by next Tuesday. If you have suggestions. Please email us! bringkyronhome@me.com VIGIL We are in the process of planning a vigil. We are shooting for Tuesday, but we’re checking with all of the various groups who are involved (including Kaine’s family) to confirm the details. AS SOON as we know definite information, we will let you know right here! Finally - THANK YOU for all of your support. Just in the last 24 hours, we’ve received tremendous financial support for our efforts. SC is truly a unique, caring community and one of which the three of us feel privileged to be a part. Please keep supporting however you can!! We won’t stop until KYRON IS HOME!!! Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: tcumom on June 26, 2010, 04:54:08 PM Has Tim Miller / Texas Equuasearch been mentioned or suggested to the families? Just wondering if anyone knows . . .
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: theboyzmom on June 26, 2010, 05:25:31 PM Thanks, norose ~ and, by the way, I don't know of any schools around here that still combine grade levels.... This was when we lived in my hometown in Wisconsin many years ago when the kids were little, I wasn't sure about that being like that anymore, and you are welcome.Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tracygirl on June 26, 2010, 05:38:47 PM Don't quote me but I thought I read Kyrons class was a 2/3 combo class.
There are many different lifestyles a person can be associated with, some bad, some good, some that are everyday things and some that are not, religious, non religious etc... Oh gosh who is grading grammer? We don't do that here do we? I am sometimes posting in between customers and do not always watch how I word things. Or I forget to do spell check. Geez don't we all have enough to contend with without the worry of who is judging our grammer? Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: seahorse on June 26, 2010, 06:36:18 PM Monkey's,
I did not think of this on my own, I read examiner.com an article on sadomasochistic cadoodling. Could that what the mystery lifestyle could be? The article does not state "cadoodling" but I can not write it contents. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 26, 2010, 06:47:07 PM Thanks, norose ~ and, by the way, I don't know of any schools around here that still combine grade levels.... This was when we lived in my hometown in Wisconsin many years ago when the kids were little, I wasn't sure about that being like that anymore, and you are welcome.Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 26, 2010, 06:48:17 PM Monkey's, I'm afraid to know what the cadoodling is.I did not think of this on my own, I read examiner.com an article on sadomasochistic cadoodling. Could that what the mystery lifestyle could be? The article does not state "cadoodling" but I can not write it contents. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: theboyzmom on June 26, 2010, 07:12:53 PM Monkey's, I'm afraid to know what the cadoodling is.I did not think of this on my own, I read examiner.com an article on sadomasochistic cadoodling. Could that what the mystery lifestyle could be? The article does not state "cadoodling" but I can not write it contents. LOL I had to google it - it means To engage in caressing, petting, or lovemaking. I am sure the the sadomasochistic in front of it means it is not your normal stuff.. . .{{insert blushing monkey here}} Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 26, 2010, 07:14:38 PM Monkey's, I'm afraid to know what the cadoodling is.I did not think of this on my own, I read examiner.com an article on sadomasochistic cadoodling. Could that what the mystery lifestyle could be? The article does not state "cadoodling" but I can not write it contents. LOL I had to google it - it means To engage in caressing, petting, or lovemaking. I am sure the the sadomasochistic in front of it means it is not your normal stuff.. . .{{insert blushing monkey here}} Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: cartfly on June 26, 2010, 08:49:39 PM Transcript Of Interview With Kyron Horman Parents POSTED: 6:48 am PDT June 25, 2010 UPDATED: 7:07 am PDT June 25, 2010 http://www.kptv.com/news/24037975/detail.html (http://www.kptv.com/news/24037975/detail.html) PORTLAND, Ore. -- The parents of missing 7-year-old Kyron Horman answered questions from reporters for the first time Friday. Kyron disappeared from Skyline School after a science fair on June 4. Multnomah County detectives are treating his disappearance as a criminal investigation, but they have not announced whether any evidence has been found or if there is a person of interest in the case. The following is a transcript of a June 25, 2010, interview with Kyron's biological father, Kaine Horman, and his biological mother, Desiree Young. Reporter: First of all, we just want to hear about Kyron. We've heard you say that he's shy, he likes art, he likes soccer. What else can you tell us about the kind of kid he is? Desiree Young: He's got a great sense of humor. (He's) a funny, quirky little kid. Again, he's very shy. And he likes to go to the beach. He loves fishing and camping. He likes the outdoors. Reporter: We saw those pictures yesterday of you swimming with him. Kaine Horman: Yeah, swimming class. He loves to be in the water. He just loves to be outside. All his activities -- baseball, mini golf, there's a couple pictures of him making sand angels at the beach. Those types of things are things he just loves to do. Reporter: What do you both remember about the last time you saw Kyron or what you talked about? Desiree Young: We talked about summer and spending more time together. And our trip that we had planned. And he was extremely happy about that. Kaine Horman: Vacation. We were actually supposed to be on vacation right now. We were really looking forward to going down and visiting some friends in California. We were going to be there for an extended period of time. A lot of the families down there have kids around his age that he knows so we were really excited about that. I saw him the day of the science fair that morning and I was just really proud of him for all the work he put into his project. We gave each other a couple of big hugs and I just told him to have a great day at the fair and enjoy presenting the project. Reporter: I think the thing you've heard and we've heard so much is that parents and families say we cannot imagine what you're going through. How can you describe and put into words what you're going through? Desiree Young: The worst hell I've ever experienced. I can't even explain it. Never in a million years would've thought we would be here. Reporter: Are you guys having normal days ever? Do you do chores? Do you go grocery shopping? What is your day like? Kaine Horman: Every day for us, Kyron was in it. And he is in it. And it's just in a different capacity right now. That's what makes it hard. Every day is not a normal day. Reporter: Are you able to have any sense of normalcy right now or is that just gone? Desiree Young: It's gone right now. Until he comes home. Reporter: Today is 3 weeks since he has disappeared and in that time, and I'm sure you've heard this, this is only the second time we have seen you guys in front of the cameras. A lot of people are asking about that. What is your response? How can you explain why you have stayed behind the scenes? Kaine Horman: A couple things. Keeping the focus on Kyron and the investigation to find him. There's a lot of distractions that can come up to that and we're trying to limit those distractions as much as possible. And we want to find him. In the first couple weeks, and well into this week as well, we've had a lot of hours where we've spent with investigators. When we're not working with the investigators or the investigation directly, it's working with all the people in the community, all the volunteers, thanking as many people as we can, focusing on efforts to get his face out. That's where our focus has been. It's just not given us a lot of time to put a lot of thought into statements to the public. Reporter: Obviously, we all know that police are keeping the details of this case very confidential and close to the vest. Are you guys privy to more information than the public? Or are you in the dark as well if there is something to know? Desiree Young: Unfortunately, we are just reinforced every day that they have more tips and how many tips they've gotten. To date, it's 2,500 tips now. It's the biggest case they've ever handled. Reporter: Is that frustrating for you? Do you find yourselves constantly asking them -- what else can you tell us? Can you tell us specifics? Desiree Young: Yes, just like anyone else would. We want to have an answer. We want to have Kyron right here and that's not happened yet. I think there's a little bit of frustration there, but they're doing everything they can. We're confident that they are throwing every resource at this and doing everything that they can to bring him home. Reporter: Desiree, you're married to a police officer. I know you probably have insight into that world, but how has your impression of police work changed? What has impressed you about the efforts of these detectives? Desiree Young: It's been phenomenal. I don't even know if I can have everybody understand from what I have to say but being from Medford and southern Oregon, you don't see the amount of response that has occurred with this case. If you see more than five patrol cars at any incident, that's a big deal down there. There's literally hundreds of thousands of people that have come together to search or investigate or take tips or liaison for us. I mean, there's so many people that have worked on this case and so many people care about Kyron and want to bring him home. Reporter: Aside from the detectives and the official types in this case, tell me about the support from the community and across the country. I know that has really overwhelmed you. How can you describe that? Kaine Horman: It's been amazing. People when we talk to them on a daily basis, the description of how people in the communities around the country have adopted him into their households -- his smile and everything. They constantly want to know a little bit more about him and who their new adopted child is, how they can find him and relate to him. Every day we talk to as many people as we can when we're kind of getting a little down time from the investigation aspect of it. But that's how we spend our time is touching base. Reporter: Have you heard from parents of other missing kids? Desiree Young: Yes. Kaine Horman: Yeah. Reporter: Does that help? Desiree Young: Yes, I would say. I mean, it helps us feel hopeful. Kaine Horman: It's provided some support. As we get more opportunities to utilize those resources through other people and support groups and things like that, that's something we're definitely looking into now. But based on the pace of everything, it's been hard to get our feet settled and utilize that probably to the fullest capability that's available to us. Reporter: Detectives have told us many times that in this case they're leaving no stone unturned. Have they searched your homes, your cars and your property? Desiree Young: They haven't needed to search our house as of yet. But they're welcome to. Anything that they need to do, we're definitely letting them do. Reporter: Kaine, can you talk about your property? Kaine Horman: Yeah, they've been down to search many times and they're welcome to search many more times. Whatever it takes to find him. Reporter: Actually in the house, as well? Kaine Horman: Yes. Reporter: Also, in an unusual move, they put out this flier to anyone associated with Kyron's school. They put Terri's pictures and pictures of the white truck on it. What was your reaction when that happened? What was Terri's reaction? Kaine Horman: I can't speak to Terri's reaction, but my reaction to it -- photos of the things that were last seen associated with him that day. Through the process we've gone through, we've been asked the same question dozens of times. In a lot of cases, when you change the frame of reference, you think of new things and new angles that you haven't thought of before. From my perspective, issuing that questionnaire is just another way to get another angle or perspective from people who were at the school that day -- and hopefully, more data points and leads that perhaps they didn't think of the first time through when they were interviewed by the detectives and investigators at the school. I actually view it as a very positive step. Reporter: Police have said they don't have any suspects yet or persons of interest. Did you feel like that flier being out with your wife's pictures on it painted her as a suspect at all? Kaine Horman: No. She was one of the last people who saw him that day. It just helped associate things that were seen along with him on that particular day, so no. Reporter: If someone has Kyron or someone took Kyron, what would you want to say to that person? Desiree Young: To let him come home. We miss him and we love him and we need him. Reporter: Has that entered your mind that someone is keeping him somewhere? Desiree Young: Yeah. Kaine Horman: Yeah. Reporter: In your gut, what do you think happened? Reporter: Can you go there right now? Desiree Young: No. Kaine Horman: No. Reporter: Is it because when you go there, it's too sad? Desiree Young: Yeah. We're trying to stay positive. We know that he's going to come home. We just stick with that every day. Reporter: My last question is, if Kyron is being held somewhere, what would you want to say to him? Desiree, I know you wrote a letter to him recently and everything a mother would want to say to her child. If he's watching, what do you want to say to him? Desiree Young: I wish I could be there to protect him. And bring him home. Kaine Horman: That I love you and I miss you. And I would do anything to trade places and to get you home. We'll keep up the search and we will not stop until we find you. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: cartfly on June 26, 2010, 09:27:24 PM FWIW: I didn't bring over the info from Blinks site http://blinkoncrime.com/2010/06/23/new-clues-in-kyron-horman-search-fact-or-fiction-you-decide/#more-4019 (http://blinkoncrime.com/2010/06/23/new-clues-in-kyron-horman-search-fact-or-fiction-you-decide/#more-4019) to start rumors. That was not my intention at all. I really feel like Blink is on to something. I highly respect her/his opinion on this case and do not think Blink would sacrifice her reputation on a trivial rumor.
Blink is not the one to mention "club sesso", it was another poster questioning what blink meant by "lifestyle choice". A lifestyle choice could be several things. I do not know what Terri and bio Dad are into but I can't dismiss anything. For instance in Sandra Cantu's and Shaniya's case: Who ever saw that coming? Who ever thought that a person could sink that low in harming a child. So I am open to all possibilities. I feel like Blink knows more than can be shared and obviously releasing too much could endanger Kyron. When I read Blinks article, it actually gave me great hope that Kyron is alive. That hope had been fading prior to reading Blinks article. If you sort of read between the lines in the article it makes a lot of sense. If someone took Kyron to get back at Terri or Dad for something, it would explain why LE has released little info and why they are talking in riddles. Riddles only the perp would understand. Have you seen LE and family ever act like this in a case before? Then regarding Kyron's glasses: When the police release photos of what Kyron last had on, they also showed what his glasses looked like. Some speculate that his glasses were found during searches and the glasses that were shown were actually Kyron's. Also pictures were put out of Kyron of what he would look like without his glasses. Desiree also made a comment about Kyron not being able to see well. So in a nutshell I only mentioned these things because I felt like the theory held water and filled in alot of blanks. We have no decent facts about this case and LE is being tight lipped for a damn good reason, IMO. Only time will tell what really happened. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: newfie on June 26, 2010, 10:47:50 PM lol all... not being graded on grammar. I am just being hard on myself. I recently took a placement test, and yikes is all I can say. :) It is hard when you haven't been to school for years and then start back again. I agree that rumors and speculation are not helping find Kyron. We have no proof of any of these recent accusations including the past ones about the cell pings. The term lifestyles is all over the charts. We do not know where Terri went that day after she left Kyron. I know LE wants to keep this tight vested but I almost feel that the RUMOR flames are being fanned by them not coming out and saying whether she is a POI or not. Sorry if I offended anyone with the grammar thing. I am my own worst critic!
Don't quote me but I thought I read Kyrons class was a 2/3 combo class. There are many different lifestyles a person can be associated with, some bad, some good, some that are everyday things and some that are not, religious, non religious etc... Oh gosh who is grading grammer? We don't do that here do we? I am sometimes posting in between customers and do not always watch how I word things. Or I forget to do spell check. Geez don't we all have enough to contend with without the worry of who is judging our grammer? Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: newfie on June 26, 2010, 10:56:12 PM cartfly, I understand what you are saying. You are only sharing info. from a person you believe to be a credible. But the comments people are stating are feeding off of Blinks opinion and maybe taking it a bit too far. ( jmo ) I certainly could be wrong.
FWIW: I didn't bring over the info from Blinks site http://blinkoncrime.com/2010/06/23/new-clues-in-kyron-horman-search-fact-or-fiction-you-decide/#more-4019 (http://blinkoncrime.com/2010/06/23/new-clues-in-kyron-horman-search-fact-or-fiction-you-decide/#more-4019) to start rumors. That was not my intention at all. I really feel like Blink is on to something. I highly respect her/his opinion on this case and do not think Blink would sacrifice her reputation on a trivial rumor. Blink is not the one to mention "club sesso", it was another poster questioning what blink meant by "lifestyle choice". A lifestyle choice could be several things. I do not know what Terri and bio Dad are into but I can't dismiss anything. For instance in Sandra Cantu's and Shaniya's case: Who ever saw that coming? Who ever thought that a person could sink that low in harming a child. So I am open to all possibilities. I feel like Blink knows more than can be shared and obviously releasing too much could endanger Kyron. When I read Blinks article, it actually gave me great hope that Kyron is alive. That hope had been fading prior to reading Blinks article. If you sort of read between the lines in the article it makes a lot of sense. If someone took Kyron to get back at Terri or Dad for something, it would explain why LE has released little info and why they are talking in riddles. Riddles only the perp would understand. Have you seen LE and family ever act like this in a case before? Then regarding Kyron's glasses: When the police release photos of what Kyron last had on, they also showed what his glasses looked like. Some speculate that his glasses were found during searches and the glasses that were shown were actually Kyron's. Also pictures were put out of Kyron of what he would look like without his glasses. Desiree also made a comment about Kyron not being able to see well. So in a nutshell I only mentioned these things because I felt like the theory held water and filled in alot of blanks. We have no decent facts about this case and LE is being tight lipped for a damn good reason, IMO. Only time will tell what really happened. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: klaasend on June 26, 2010, 11:30:05 PM Newfie - Blink is exceedingly credible and has inside sources and people within LE that respect her. Blink is a sister blog to Scared Monkeys.
As far as I'm concerned LE is fanning the rumor flame mostly by putting out that questionnaire. KYRON is missing and everyone and everything needs to be looked at and researched until he is found. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: cartfly on June 27, 2010, 12:23:24 AM cartfly, I understand what you are saying. You are only sharing info. from a person you believe to be a credible. But the comments people are stating are feeding off of Blinks opinion and maybe taking it a bit too far. ( jmo ) I certainly could be wrong. Thanks Newfie for responding. We are all here for the same reasons and do not always agree and that is okay. I tend to take the comments with a grain of salt (on blinks site) but put more credence into what Blink is saying. <hugs to you>FWIW: I didn't bring over the info from Blinks site http://blinkoncrime.com/2010/06/23/new-clues-in-kyron-horman-search-fact-or-fiction-you-decide/#more-4019 (http://blinkoncrime.com/2010/06/23/new-clues-in-kyron-horman-search-fact-or-fiction-you-decide/#more-4019) to start rumors. That was not my intention at all. I really feel like Blink is on to something. I highly respect her/his opinion on this case and do not think Blink would sacrifice her reputation on a trivial rumor. Blink is not the one to mention "club sesso", it was another poster questioning what blink meant by "lifestyle choice". A lifestyle choice could be several things. I do not know what Terri and bio Dad are into but I can't dismiss anything. For instance in Sandra Cantu's and Shaniya's case: Who ever saw that coming? Who ever thought that a person could sink that low in harming a child. So I am open to all possibilities. I feel like Blink knows more than can be shared and obviously releasing too much could endanger Kyron. When I read Blinks article, it actually gave me great hope that Kyron is alive. That hope had been fading prior to reading Blinks article. If you sort of read between the lines in the article it makes a lot of sense. If someone took Kyron to get back at Terri or Dad for something, it would explain why LE has released little info and why they are talking in riddles. Riddles only the perp would understand. Have you seen LE and family ever act like this in a case before? Then regarding Kyron's glasses: When the police release photos of what Kyron last had on, they also showed what his glasses looked like. Some speculate that his glasses were found during searches and the glasses that were shown were actually Kyron's. Also pictures were put out of Kyron of what he would look like without his glasses. Desiree also made a comment about Kyron not being able to see well. So in a nutshell I only mentioned these things because I felt like the theory held water and filled in alot of blanks. We have no decent facts about this case and LE is being tight lipped for a damn good reason, IMO. Only time will tell what really happened. OT: Good luck in school! I went back when I was 32 and it is amazing how much you loose between high school and your 30's..... especially algebra, yuck. I had to retake ACT's and the scores were pretty lousy for me too, LOL. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Brandi on June 27, 2010, 02:35:16 AM Although I am not a regular poster in Kyron's thread, I wanted to point you all to some great pictures of Portland and Skyline Elementary School, taken today, from radionewz's forum:
http://forums.radionewz.net/index.php?topic=151.0 Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: cartfly on June 27, 2010, 03:05:57 AM Although I am not a regular poster in Kyron's thread, I wanted to point you all to some great pictures of Portland and Skyline Elementary School, taken today, from radionewz's forum: Great find Brandi, thank you so much! These pics give a better perspective of the school surroundings. :)http://forums.radionewz.net/index.php?topic=151.0 Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Brandi on June 27, 2010, 03:15:22 AM Although I am not a regular poster in Kyron's thread, I wanted to point you all to some great pictures of Portland and Skyline Elementary School, taken today, from radionewz's forum: Great find Brandi, thank you so much! These pics give a better perspective of the school surroundings. :)http://forums.radionewz.net/index.php?topic=151.0 You're very welcome, cartfly. BTW ... I left you a reply to your post in my thread. You should check it out! ;-) Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: seahorse on June 27, 2010, 06:51:16 AM by KGW.com Staff
KING5.com Posted on June 26, 2010 at 6:01 PM Updated yesterday at 6:03 PM Report: Missing Portland boy's step-mom under scrutiny, says her dad PORTLAND -- Kyron Horman's photo was on the cover of 'People' for the second week in a row and the story that goes with it focuses on the attention that has been placed on his step-mother Terri Moulton. Since Kyron vanished three weeks ago, she has been singled-out in a questionnaire sent to parents and staff of Skyline school. A lifelong friend described Terri Moulton's unhappiness with a second polygraph test. Moulton's father, Larry Moulton, 72, told 'People' matter-of-factly that "the finger points at stepmoms, she's trying to be cooperative." He too said she has had two polygraphs, have taken her truck twice and questioned her for up to six hours. snip http://www.king5.com/news/local/Report-Missing-Portland-boys-step-mom-under-scrutiny-says-her-dad-97241234.html Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: seahorse on June 27, 2010, 07:24:45 AM Thanks, norose ~ and, by the way, I don't know of any schools around here that still combine grade levels.... This was when we lived in my hometown in Wisconsin many years ago when the kids were little, I wasn't sure about that being like that anymore, and you are welcome.J.Fonda revealed she carries "baked potatoes in her pocket" for energy. My chin hit the floor when she admitted she actually carries potatoes in her pocket. Perhaps small white potatoes? Would Yams be the more beneficial in vitamins? The enterview was broadcast maybe five years ago on TV where she mentioned her energy secret of baked potatoes. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: seahorse on June 27, 2010, 09:16:56 AM Although I am not a regular poster in Kyron's thread, I wanted to point you all to some great pictures of Portland and Skyline Elementary School, taken today, from radionewz's forum: http://forums.radionewz.net/index.php?topic=151.0 Brandi, The school appears to be of a solitary existence. Thank-you for bringing the prespective to our attention (ME) O.T. I keep returning to this opinion by poster "Justlogic" on http://www.detectiveforums.com/forums/ Kyron Horman Disappearance. This is what happened. by justlogic Wed Jun 16, 2010 2:28 pm "This was not a crime of simple opportunity. This was also not done by some older kid. This act was committed by someone with adult knowledge,skills and with extremely detailed planing ability. You need a real plan to pull this off. You need to be extremely organized" http://www.detectiveforums.com/forums/general-discussion/kyron-horman-disappearance-this-what-happened-t8417.html ME: I put quotes on justlogic opinion of someone being extremely organized. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: seahorse on June 27, 2010, 09:29:44 AM Why didn't SM and her family bake the potatoes? Could the potatoes be baked outside on the grill? Diving must be a horrible job in these circumstances. I am in awe of Divers. I am references to the plea from this web site for ovens to bake potatoes for searchers Can anyone help us bake 150 potatoes to take to the Search and Rescue teams? We have the potatoes. We just need ovens to bake them in! Please email us if you can help! Thanks! bringkyronhome@me.com Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Itaryl Moosee on June 27, 2010, 09:41:30 AM J.Fonda revealed she carries "baked potatoes in her pocket" for energy. My chin hit the floor when she admitted she actually carries potatoes in her pocket. Perhaps small white potatoes? Would Yams be the more beneficial in vitamins? The enterview was broadcast maybe five years ago on TV where she mentioned her energy secret of baked potatoes. This is OT, but kinda related. Here's my 10 reasons why BPs would be ideal in searches: 1. lots of carbohydrates, good carbohydrates, and fiber 2. no fat, other than the ton of butter added 3. baked ones can still be eaten after they get hard and taste like boiled peanuts 4. cheap 5. raw ones keep for weeks, before sprouting 6. can make any type of meat taste like it was cooked by granny 7. one can insert twigs and pebbles in and play Mr. Potato Head during breaks 8. one can play hot potato during breaks, using the "real thing" 9. they make wonderful projectiles against wild critters, like raccoons or bears 10. can be carried in purses and pockets without making much of a mess I suspected J. Fonda was a potato-in-the pocket kinda gal. Though I always thought they were implants. ;) Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: newfie on June 27, 2010, 09:50:51 AM Thanks Klassend, I agree with you on Blink, she is very informed and I am sure she has great sources. I guees the point I was trying to make was that the commentors were taking what she was saying and running in various directions with it. I hope I did not offend anyone. I too respect and appreciate others as well as their rights to comments and opinions, though I do not necessarily always agree with them. Yes the questionnaire almost appears to be suggestive.
Newfie - Blink is exceedingly credible and has inside sources and people within LE that respect her. Blink is a sister blog to Scared Monkeys. As far as I'm concerned LE is fanning the rumor flame mostly by putting out that questionnaire. KYRON is missing and everyone and everything needs to be looked at and researched until he is found. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 27, 2010, 09:52:07 AM Although I am not a regular poster in Kyron's thread, I wanted to point you all to some great pictures of Portland and Skyline Elementary School, taken today, from radionewz's forum: Thank-you excellent pictures, that school area looks rather scary to me, sort of like out of a horror film. I've lived in a lot of places, and have never seen a school and it's surrounding areas look like that. All my opinion, and probably has nothing to do with anything, but geez, a person could hide around there and grab a kid and who knows what else.http://forums.radionewz.net/index.php?topic=151.0 Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: newfie on June 27, 2010, 09:58:15 AM Thanks cartfly for responding as well. Yes the Algebra bit me as well. I took a TEAS placement test for Nursing School. I am excited and over that hurdle now it is back to school in a few weeks. Sorry to be off topic.
I like the baked potato story with the searcher. I commend her for her kindness beyond herself as well as her dedication. Has anyone heard if they are still searching Sauvie Island? I am thinking it has scaled back. I wonder what evidence has been collected? I hope LE informs the public soon. I don't know if keeping this in the dark so to speak will or hinder finding out where Kyron is. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: newfie on June 27, 2010, 10:04:48 AM Thanks for sharing the pics! Beautiful area, but scary when you think of all the possibilities of places someone could crouch down and hide.
Although I am not a regular poster in Kyron's thread, I wanted to point you all to some great pictures of Portland and Skyline Elementary School, taken today, from radionewz's forum: Thank-you excellent pictures, that school area looks rather scary to me, sort of like out of a horror film. I've lived in a lot of places, and have never seen a school and it's surrounding areas look like that. All my opinion, and probably has nothing to do with anything, but geez, a person could hide around there and grab a kid and who knows what else.http://forums.radionewz.net/index.php?topic=151.0 Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: seahorse on June 27, 2010, 11:02:28 AM J.Fonda revealed she carries "baked potatoes in her pocket" for energy. My chin hit the floor when she admitted she actually carries potatoes in her pocket. Perhaps small white potatoes? Would Yams be the more beneficial in vitamins? The enterview was broadcast maybe five years ago on TV where she mentioned her energy secret of baked potatoes. This is OT, but kinda related. Here's my 10 reasons why BPs would be ideal in searches: 1. lots of carbohydrates, good carbohydrates, and fiber 2. no fat, other than the ton of butter added 3. baked ones can still be eaten after they get hard and taste like boiled peanuts 4. cheap 5. raw ones keep for weeks, before sprouting 6. can make any type of meat taste like it was cooked by granny 7. one can insert twigs and pebbles in and play Mr. Potato Head during breaks 8. one can play hot potato during breaks, using the "real thing" 9. they make wonderful projectiles against wild critters, like raccoons or bears 10. can be carried in purses and pockets without making much of a mess I suspected J. Fonda was a potato-in-the pocket kinda gal. Though I always thought they were implants. ;) Baaaha, many thanks, Itaryl Moosee, for the hysterical comment. (ME) Perhaps, Ted used a few of potatoes, too. <:0) Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: seahorse on June 27, 2010, 11:16:01 AM Although I am not a regular poster in Kyron's thread, I wanted to point you all to some great pictures of Portland and Skyline Elementary School, taken today, from radionewz's forum: Thank-you excellent pictures, that school area looks rather scary to me, sort of like out of a horror film. I've lived in a lot of places, and have never seen a school and it's surrounding areas look like that. All my opinion, and probably has nothing to do with anything, but geez, a person could hide around there and grab a kid and who knows what else.http://forums.radionewz.net/index.php?topic=151.0 Who would take this challenge? in addition, why? Monetary reason is the only thing that comes to my mind A former Real Estate agent's advice to me was "follow the money"...and every answer is usually money. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 27, 2010, 11:29:47 AM Although I am not a regular poster in Kyron's thread, I wanted to point you all to some great pictures of Portland and Skyline Elementary School, taken today, from radionewz's forum: Thank-you excellent pictures, that school area looks rather scary to me, sort of like out of a horror film. I've lived in a lot of places, and have never seen a school and it's surrounding areas look like that. All my opinion, and probably has nothing to do with anything, but geez, a person could hide around there and grab a kid and who knows what else.http://forums.radionewz.net/index.php?topic=151.0 Who would take this challenge? in addition, why? Monetary reason is the only thing that comes to my mind A former Real Estate agent's advice to me was "follow the money"...and every answer is usually money. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: NewfieMonkey on June 27, 2010, 12:20:49 PM Okay - I've read and read and read and read ... all weekend about this adorable little guy ... everything from blogs to television stories and comments to newpaper articles and comments to just random randomness ...
It's very hard to find ANYTHING that has actually been released and/or verified by LE! What's up with that? ... Either they have something (I hope) and are just waiting for some type of forensics? ... Or they just don't have a clue. The community seems mum on the subject too ... which I guess I find odd ... but maybe because the first (and main) case I've followed was Caylee and every Tom, Dick and Harry who lived anywhere in Orlando or had brushed up against an Anthony found a news camera to talk to .... maybe that's not the norm ... The pictures are eye opening! Looks like a rural school ... in need of a groundskeeper! The only verified things I could find were: he's missing, step mother took him to school, some pta mom saw them there, interview with a child who spoke to him that morning ... I just find it so odd that with people buzzing around and only a handful of entrance/exit doors ... not one person saw Kyron leave?! If you were a random child predator ... why would you pick a small, out-of-the-way school like this? On a day like this where children and in and out with their parents? Where parents know one another and one another's children? How do you lure them into a vehicle and know someone won't see you? I can't make that make sense ... If you were a parent/step parent ... how could you leave with a child and hold to your story that 'I dropped him off and never saw him again' when you can't possibly know if someone may have seen you out a window or something? I can't make that make sense either ... I'm sure they've checked every nook and cranny of that school ... (just thinking of a college student here who wandered into a boiler room and was electrocuted ... body found months later ... after extensive searching) ... I hope they checked really really well. I'm just mystified and my heart breaks for this little guy! Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: cartfly on June 27, 2010, 12:25:12 PM J.Fonda revealed she carries "baked potatoes in her pocket" for energy. My chin hit the floor when she admitted she actually carries potatoes in her pocket. Perhaps small white potatoes? Would Yams be the more beneficial in vitamins? The enterview was broadcast maybe five years ago on TV where she mentioned her energy secret of baked potatoes. This is OT, but kinda related. Here's my 10 reasons why BPs would be ideal in searches: 1. lots of carbohydrates, good carbohydrates, and fiber 2. no fat, other than the ton of butter added 3. baked ones can still be eaten after they get hard and taste like boiled peanuts 4. cheap 5. raw ones keep for weeks, before sprouting 6. can make any type of meat taste like it was cooked by granny 7. one can insert twigs and pebbles in and play Mr. Potato Head during breaks 8. one can play hot potato during breaks, using the "real thing" 9. they make wonderful projectiles against wild critters, like raccoons or bears 10. can be carried in purses and pockets without making much of a mess I suspected J. Fonda was a potato-in-the pocket kinda gal. Though I always thought they were implants. ;) Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 27, 2010, 12:30:50 PM Okay - I've read and read and read and read ... all weekend about this adorable little guy ... everything from blogs to television stories and comments to newpaper articles and comments to just random randomness ... All great questions, I can't make sense of them either. They must have a ground keeper somewhere one would think, but it doesn't appear that they do. They have searched all around the school and outside the school. That must have taken awhile I would imagine after viewing those pictures.It's very hard to find ANYTHING that has actually been released and/or verified by LE! What's up with that? ... Either they have something (I hope) and are just waiting for some type of forensics? ... Or they just don't have a clue. The community seems mum on the subject too ... which I guess I find odd ... but maybe because the first (and main) case I've followed was Caylee and every Tom, Dick and Harry who lived anywhere in Orlando or had brushed up against an Anthony found a news camera to talk to .... maybe that's not the norm ... The pictures are eye opening! Looks like a rural school ... in need of a groundskeeper! The only verified things I could find were: he's missing, step mother took him to school, some pta mom saw them there, interview with a child who spoke to him that morning ... I just find it so odd that with people buzzing around and only a handful of entrance/exit doors ... not one person saw Kyron leave?! If you were a random child predator ... why would you pick a small, out-of-the-way school like this? On a day like this where children and in and out with their parents? Where parents know one another and one another's children? How do you lure them into a vehicle and know someone won't see you? I can't make that make sense ... If you were a parent/step parent ... how could you leave with a child and hold to your story that 'I dropped him off and never saw him again' when you can't possibly know if someone may have seen you out a window or something? I can't make that make sense either ... I'm sure they've checked every nook and cranny of that school ... (just thinking of a college student here who wandered into a boiler room and was electrocuted ... body found months later ... after extensive searching) ... I hope they checked really really well. I'm just mystified and my heart breaks for this little guy! Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Patricia Mocha Latte on June 27, 2010, 12:31:56 PM Thanks Klassend, I agree with you on Blink, she is very informed and I am sure she has great sources. I guees the point I was trying to make was that the commentors were taking what she was saying and running in various directions with it. I hope I did not offend anyone. I too respect and appreciate others as well as their rights to comments and opinions, though I do not necessarily always agree with them. Yes the questionnaire almost appears to be suggestive. Newfie - Blink is exceedingly credible and has inside sources and people within LE that respect her. Blink is a sister blog to Scared Monkeys. As far as I'm concerned LE is fanning the rumor flame mostly by putting out that questionnaire. KYRON is missing and everyone and everything needs to be looked at and researched until he is found. I agree with both of you. One thing I found particularly interesting is that although LE has stated that the man who's face appears in the picture has been identified there is another person who is standing behind a little girl who appears to be leaning back, potentially to avoid having their face in the picture and I wonder if that person has laso been identified? As far as I know nothing has been mentioned about that person. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Patricia Mocha Latte on June 27, 2010, 12:33:06 PM also not "laso" lol!
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: cartfly on June 27, 2010, 12:35:18 PM Okay - I've read and read and read and read ... all weekend about this adorable little guy ... everything from blogs to television stories and comments to newpaper articles and comments to just random randomness ... I agree the school needs a grounds keeper! The little road off of the main road in front of the play area that leads to the soccer field still really bothers me. It's very hard to find ANYTHING that has actually been released and/or verified by LE! What's up with that? ... Either they have something (I hope) and are just waiting for some type of forensics? ... Or they just don't have a clue. The community seems mum on the subject too ... which I guess I find odd ... but maybe because the first (and main) case I've followed was Caylee and every Tom, Dick and Harry who lived anywhere in Orlando or had brushed up against an Anthony found a news camera to talk to .... maybe that's not the norm ... The pictures are eye opening! Looks like a rural school ... in need of a groundskeeper! The only verified things I could find were: he's missing, step mother took him to school, some pta mom saw them there, interview with a child who spoke to him that morning ... I just find it so odd that with people buzzing around and only a handful of entrance/exit doors ... not one person saw Kyron leave?! If you were a random child predator ... why would you pick a small, out-of-the-way school like this? On a day like this where children and in and out with their parents? Where parents know one another and one another's children? How do you lure them into a vehicle and know someone won't see you? I can't make that make sense ... If you were a parent/step parent ... how could you leave with a child and hold to your story that 'I dropped him off and never saw him again' when you can't possibly know if someone may have seen you out a window or something? I can't make that make sense either ... I'm sure they've checked every nook and cranny of that school ... (just thinking of a college student here who wandered into a boiler room and was electrocuted ... body found months later ... after extensive searching) ... I hope they checked really really well. I'm just mystified and my heart breaks for this little guy! It is also disturbing that the locals are not speaking out (at least not many). Where is the outrage from the locals? Has LE asked the locals not to speak to the media? Another disturbing fact is there are several farming business' in the area. There would be lots of large trucks coming in and out transporting produce and whatnot. Are there a lot of undocumented illegals working as farm hands? Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: newfie on June 27, 2010, 01:10:40 PM great points Newfiemonkey ( love my fellow newfie's) as well as Cartfly. I wonder too about the rural farms and workers that come and go alot of them undocumented or illegal. I also am concerned as to how extensive the school has been checked. It does appear that the grounds have not been maintained. I wonder if this is the norm throughout the school year? The community does seem to be a sleepy one. I am wondering why no outrage. If I had a young child in that school district I would be very concerned for the safety of my child. Why would LE tell people not to worry. Either they know who did this or they have evidence leaning that way.
I am still on the fence re: Step-mom Terri. The things that would clear her would be statements from people she saw after being at the school with Kyron. 1. Babysitter 2. Husband if he worked a half day from home. 3. Did she go the gym, stores, or other places of business? If so witness accounts. 4. Did she talk to anyone on the phone that a.m.? I am sure LE has researched all of this, yet they still have not cleared her. The only thing we have are rumored pings on Sauvie Island, and a possible posting of the science fair pics around 1:00p.m. that day. So I and many others wonder why is this? Why would LE continue to let the public speculate about the step mom? Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: newfie on June 27, 2010, 01:12:02 PM I agree why haven't we heard that this man and little girl have been identified.
Thanks Klassend, I agree with you on Blink, she is very informed and I am sure she has great sources. I guees the point I was trying to make was that the commentors were taking what she was saying and running in various directions with it. I hope I did not offend anyone. I too respect and appreciate others as well as their rights to comments and opinions, though I do not necessarily always agree with them. Yes the questionnaire almost appears to be suggestive. Newfie - Blink is exceedingly credible and has inside sources and people within LE that respect her. Blink is a sister blog to Scared Monkeys. As far as I'm concerned LE is fanning the rumor flame mostly by putting out that questionnaire. KYRON is missing and everyone and everything needs to be looked at and researched until he is found. I agree with both of you. One thing I found particularly interesting is that although LE has stated that the man who's face appears in the picture has been identified there is another person who is standing behind a little girl who appears to be leaning back, potentially to avoid having their face in the picture and I wonder if that person has laso been identified? As far as I know nothing has been mentioned about that person. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: seahorse on June 27, 2010, 01:55:16 PM great points Newfiemonkey ( love my fellow newfie's) as well as Cartfly. I wonder too about the rural farms and workers that come and go alot of them undocumented or illegal. I also am concerned as to how extensive the school has been checked. It does appear that the grounds have not been maintained. I wonder if this is the norm throughout the school year? The community does seem to be a sleepy one. I am wondering why no outrage. If I had a young child in that school district I would be very concerned for the safety of my child. Why would LE tell people not to worry. Either they know who did this or they have evidence leaning that way. I am still on the fence re: Step-mom Terri. The things that would clear her would be statements from people she saw after being at the school with Kyron. 1. Babysitter 2. Husband if he worked a half day from home. 3. Did she go the gym, stores, or other places of business? If so witness accounts. 4. Did she talk to anyone on the phone that a.m.? I am sure LE has researched all of this, yet they still have not cleared her. The only thing we have are rumored pings on Sauvie Island, and a possible posting of the science fair pics around 1:00p.m. that day. So I and many others wonder why is this? Why would LE continue to let the public speculate about the step mom? Did SM wash her Truck or Car? Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: seahorse on June 27, 2010, 02:00:38 PM Although I am not a regular poster in Kyron's thread, I wanted to point you all to some great pictures of Portland and Skyline Elementary School, taken today, from radionewz's forum: Thank-you excellent pictures, that school area looks rather scary to me, sort of like out of a horror film. I've lived in a lot of places, and have never seen a school and it's surrounding areas look like that. All my opinion, and probably has nothing to do with anything, but geez, a person could hide around there and grab a kid and who knows what else.http://forums.radionewz.net/index.php?topic=151.0 Who would take this challenge? in addition, why? Monetary reason is the only thing that comes to my mind A former Real Estate agent's advice to me was "follow the money"...and every answer is usually money. Was it a scorned female lover? LOL! Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: NewfieMonkey on June 27, 2010, 02:02:46 PM great points Newfiemonkey ( love my fellow newfie's) as well as Cartfly. I wonder too about the rural farms and workers that come and go alot of them undocumented or illegal. I also am concerned as to how extensive the school has been checked. It does appear that the grounds have not been maintained. I wonder if this is the norm throughout the school year? The community does seem to be a sleepy one. I am wondering why no outrage. If I had a young child in that school district I would be very concerned for the safety of my child. Why would LE tell people not to worry. Either they know who did this or they have evidence leaning that way. I am still on the fence re: Step-mom Terri. The things that would clear her would be statements from people she saw after being at the school with Kyron. 1. Babysitter 2. Husband if he worked a half day from home. 3. Did she go the gym, stores, or other places of business? If so witness accounts. 4. Did she talk to anyone on the phone that a.m.? I am sure LE has researched all of this, yet they still have not cleared her. The only thing we have are rumored pings on Sauvie Island, and a possible posting of the science fair pics around 1:00p.m. that day. So I and many others wonder why is this? Why would LE continue to let the public speculate about the step mom? First ... Hi NoRose! Hugs to you! (and you too newf ... :) I'm a Newfie because I have a Newfoundland/Lab mix ... not because I'm a Newfoundlander ... (but I'd love to visit there ... looks lovely!) Bolded ... those people ... where are they? LE usually tells people to keep quiet ... but it's very rare that people do it ... and for everyone to keep their mouths shut is just amazing to me! Very law abiding. No 15-minutes of fame types there. (if you don't count step mom's dad and her "friend" who I think did her more harm than good!) Other things I find odd: In the People article SM's dad says the truck was taken by LE ... per LE the truck was taken in for repair (?) Per the dad in an interview ... LE hasn't checked their computers (?) I haven't seen where any of the family has been present at any of the searches (?) perhaps I missed it (?) - and again I'm influenced by that other case. But I'd like to think I'd be out every minute of every day searching for my son ... and mine's 23! and really not all that cute and loveable at times! But I'd turn over heaven and hell to find him! Okay ... back to pondering ... Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 27, 2010, 02:37:09 PM Thank-you NewfieMonkey that is where the discussion about the computers not being checked by LE got started, People Magazine. There was a discussion about that on another forum and I wondered where they were getting that from.
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: seahorse on June 27, 2010, 02:40:45 PM http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/kyron_horman_search_wraps_up_a.html
This photo shows a concentrated look on Kaines face. SM has been question "six hours" several times...is she the Key? Perhaps, not the Culprit? Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Brandi on June 27, 2010, 02:50:21 PM Although I am not a regular poster in Kyron's thread, I wanted to point you all to some great pictures of Portland and Skyline Elementary School, taken today, from radionewz's forum: Great find Brandi, thank you so much! These pics give a better perspective of the school surroundings. :)http://forums.radionewz.net/index.php?topic=151.0 You're very welcome, cartfly. BTW ... I left you a reply to your post in my thread, cartfly!!! You should check it out! ;-) Be sure to check the URL again today, as new pictures have been added since my post and more are scheduled to be added today! Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 27, 2010, 03:07:10 PM http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/kyron_horman_search_wraps_up_a.html I believe she is the key, I don't recall anyone else being questioned for that long, at least I haven't read anything about that. Brandi thanks again for that link to those pictures, it really helps to see this area. Cartfly, if you are on, could you please go to Brandi's Avatar Thread. Thanks.This photo shows a concentrated look on Kaines face. SM has been question "six hours" several times...is she the Key? Perhaps, not the Culprit? Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tracygirl on June 27, 2010, 03:52:05 PM Although I am not a regular poster in Kyron's thread, I wanted to point you all to some great pictures of Portland and Skyline Elementary School, taken today, from radionewz's forum: http://forums.radionewz.net/index.php?topic=151.0 Thanks Brandi for posting the link to the pics. I have to say, I almost lost my breath when I saw the door to the mechanical room. I don't know why but seeing that door freaked me out. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: seahorse on June 27, 2010, 03:56:15 PM http://www.blogtalkradio.com/simon-barrett/2010/06/27/haleigh-cummings--caylee-anthony--and-others
Simon Barrett's radio show will air in a few minutes. Haleigh Cummings, Caylee Anthony and others. I am hoping Simon and guests will discuss Kyron. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: newfie on June 27, 2010, 04:06:25 PM Thanks Seahorse! I found this while sifting through the articles it is a pretty good timeline of accounts that day and the days following.
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/kyron_horman_chronology_of_eve.html Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 27, 2010, 04:07:57 PM One of the comments this lady made when she posted the pictures.
Looking down 2nd stairs These concrete stairs lead from the side front school door to the soccer field. Note how tall the grass is. PPS is so strapped for cash, much of the yard maintenance is done by parents these days. Very little landscaping maintenance crew or budget. So, the grass is out of control on a slope like this. / Now that makes sense why the school looks the way it does, I'm sure at some point in time it was a nice looking school and area, not like the dump it looks like now, no money for upkeep. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: cartfly on June 27, 2010, 04:08:15 PM http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/kyron_horman_search_wraps_up_a.html I believe she is the key, I don't recall anyone else being questioned for that long, at least I haven't read anything about that. Brandi thanks again for that link to those pictures, it really helps to see this area. Cartfly, if you are on, could you please go to Brandi's Avatar Thread. Thanks.This photo shows a concentrated look on Kaines face. SM has been question "six hours" several times...is she the Key? Perhaps, not the Culprit? Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: cartfly on June 27, 2010, 04:10:19 PM I mean "shrunk"
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: melisb on June 27, 2010, 04:17:29 PM Just a few comments...
Did they close the school after Kyron disappeared or resume the next day as normal? SM being a former body builder and "look at me" person before seems awful, awful shy now. Why not head up high and find my stepson?!!! I believe Blink and always will but this time I have a weird feeling bout SM. I'm sure it's just cause she was last to be seen w/him but now that I look at the school pics it's real easy to slip a little kid away from there. What a creepy, unsecured place. Wonder if they checked the janitor carts with the attached hanging bags. All schools I have been in and sent my son to have the big industrial push carts with the hanging bags or trash barrel in front. Other scenario in my head besides SM is...can't remember his name the man stole him and kept him for years and his brother became the Yosimite killer? I also am hanging with the detective's comments. If planned out as skillfully as he suggest then the school opening at an earlier than normal time and classes starting later with folk milling around unchecked/tagged by office would be a SO's dream come true! Just my rambling thoughts today. Ya'll have a good one. Keeping cool as it's sweltering here in FL. OT question for any Pac. NW person--what is the humidity like in the summer and how hot does it get there. Just wondering how a body would fare there if outside. Sorry to be grim. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 27, 2010, 04:25:45 PM http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/kyron_horman_search_wraps_up_a.html I believe she is the key, I don't recall anyone else being questioned for that long, at least I haven't read anything about that. Brandi thanks again for that link to those pictures, it really helps to see this area. Cartfly, if you are on, could you please go to Brandi's Avatar Thread. Thanks.This photo shows a concentrated look on Kaines face. SM has been question "six hours" several times...is she the Key? Perhaps, not the Culprit? Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: cartfly on June 27, 2010, 04:37:55 PM Just a few comments... hi MelissaB- this happened on a Friday and if I remember right school resumed on the following Monday. I thought that was odd.Did they close the school after Kyron disappeared or resume the next day as normal? SM being a former body builder and "look at me" person before seems awful, awful shy now. Why not head up high and find my stepson?!!! I believe Blink and always will but this time I have a weird feeling bout SM. I'm sure it's just cause she was last to be seen w/him but now that I look at the school pics it's real easy to slip a little kid away from there. What a creepy, unsecured place. Wonder if they checked the janitor carts with the attached hanging bags. All schools I have been in and sent my son to have the big industrial push carts with the hanging bags or trash barrel in front. Other scenario in my head besides SM is...can't remember his name the man stole him and kept him for years and his brother became the Yosimite killer? I also am hanging with the detective's comments. If planned out as skillfully as he suggest then the school opening at an earlier than normal time and classes starting later with folk milling around unchecked/tagged by office would be a SO's dream come true! Just my rambling thoughts today. Ya'll have a good one. Keeping cool as it's sweltering here in FL. OT question for any Pac. NW person--what is the humidity like in the summer and how hot does it get there. Just wondering how a body would fare there if outside. Sorry to be grim. I am on the fence too about SM. She "acts" like she knows something. She seems disconnected but I am not sure why. Was that Steven Stayner's brother in the Yosemite murder? I remember how sad that whole thing was but don't remember all the names. I read somewhere but don't know if we talked about it here. It was "said" that the janitor had only been on the job for 2 weeks prior to Kyron disappearing. Anyone know what his name is or if this a fact or not? OT: MelissB- I am in the south too and OMG the humidity is awful. It doesn't make sense to be sweating at 8 AM. I desperately wanted to go to our favorite beach, Orange/Gulf shores, but as you know thats out.....so sad :( Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: NewfieMonkey on June 27, 2010, 04:39:56 PM Norose ... I may have been adding to the rumor mill ... sorry.
I looked back at stuff I'd read and the 'LE hasn't checked the computer" came to my attention on the Oregon Live comments thread ... referring back to an interview done with bio dad ... I thought it was a KATU or KPTV interview ... but I've looked a bunch ... and I can't find it ... I'm going with it being a rumor since I can't find it and watch it myself. Still frustrated ... so I'm going back to work ... the problems there I know I can solve :) If I could solve everything ... Joran and Casey would be on death row ... and Kyron would be home. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: cartfly on June 27, 2010, 04:40:30 PM http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/kyron_horman_search_wraps_up_a.html I believe she is the key, I don't recall anyone else being questioned for that long, at least I haven't read anything about that. Brandi thanks again for that link to those pictures, it really helps to see this area. Cartfly, if you are on, could you please go to Brandi's Avatar Thread. Thanks.This photo shows a concentrated look on Kaines face. SM has been question "six hours" several times...is she the Key? Perhaps, not the Culprit? Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Anna on June 27, 2010, 04:43:03 PM Just a few comments... Did they close the school after Kyron disappeared or resume the next day as normal? SM being a former body builder and "look at me" person before seems awful, awful shy now. Why not head up high and find my stepson?!!! I believe Blink and always will but this time I have a weird feeling bout SM. I'm sure it's just cause she was last to be seen w/him but now that I look at the school pics it's real easy to slip a little kid away from there. What a creepy, unsecured place. Wonder if they checked the janitor carts with the attached hanging bags. All schools I have been in and sent my son to have the big industrial push carts with the hanging bags or trash barrel in front. Other scenario in my head besides SM is...can't remember his name the man stole him and kept him for years and his brother became the Yosimite killer? I also am hanging with the detective's comments. If planned out as skillfully as he suggest then the school opening at an earlier than normal time and classes starting later with folk milling around unchecked/tagged by office would be a SO's dream come true! Just my rambling thoughts today. Ya'll have a good one. Keeping cool as it's sweltering here in FL. OT question for any Pac. NW person--what is the humidity like in the summer and how hot does it get there. Just wondering how a body would fare there if outside. Sorry to be grim. Good Evening, Monkeys. I haven't posted in this thread at all or read all of the posts but did wonder if the school might be using temporary custodians or janitor service. Custodians know all the possible hiding places in schools and have access to everything and keys to all the rooms. Perfect job for a pedophile. I hope they have been checked out completely. Just a thought I had as I mostly follow this case in the MSM. . Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Brandi on June 27, 2010, 04:45:14 PM http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/kyron_horman_search_wraps_up_a.html I believe she is the key, I don't recall anyone else being questioned for that long, at least I haven't read anything about that. Brandi thanks again for that link to those pictures, it really helps to see this area. Cartfly, if you are on, could you please go to Brandi's Avatar Thread. Thanks.This photo shows a concentrated look on Kaines face. SM has been question "six hours" several times...is she the Key? Perhaps, not the Culprit? It did. (http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/hello/tongue.gif) Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tracygirl on June 27, 2010, 04:45:38 PM http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/kyron_horman_search_wraps_up_a.html This photo shows a concentrated look on Kaines face. SM has been question "six hours" several times...is she the Key? Perhaps, not the Culprit? Sorry this is going to be a big ol' rambling post by me. I am just going to throw this out here. I can see this, Terri as a key to this and not the culprit. I can also see some woman being obsessed with Kaine (or Terri) and setting up Terri? Something seems to be off but it could be so many things, it is driving me crazy. My first impression was a person who worked at the school took Kyron. I really think someone could have left the school with him in a trash can or a box and no one would have batted an eye. How risky though. This person wouldn't have known when this child would be missing. We all know a pedo loves the thrill of the risk, it adds to their power and control. I just can't help but consider this has to be someone who could control when the panic would happend. But who? Isn't that just a few people? The parents and the teacher, right? Anyone else? I can't think of them although I have tried. Terri (or any of the 4 parents) could have left with him but she too risked his absence being noticed about a second after he went missing or risked being seen with him. A person did notice it not that long after it happened, sometime between 9-10, then a child noticed it for goodness sakes, it just doesn't connect for me. The teacher in a way did control the panic by not giving it any attention. According to the boy she said he was probably in the bathroom or getting a drink, then she explains she must of misheard the mother say he had an appointment taking the blame and focus off of herself and placing it elsewhere. Now that bothers me only because she had papers to fill out, did she do that and handed them back to Terri? Also, why isn't she taking some of the responsibility? She was the adult in charge and whether or not this is her first year, or she is young, (in her 30's, thats young?), it was a hectic day, blah, blah, blah she was the person who could have and should have noticed and acted on Kyron not being in her class that morning after she had seen him just a little bit earlier. Is this a slight on all teachers? No of course not, just like Melissa Huckaby's being a sunday school teacher doesn't mean all sunday school teachers murder children. There is just something about this teachers reaction that doesn't sit well with me. I hope she has been given a lie detector test or has been questioned for hours as well. I have to be honest and don't want to direct a finger at a possibly innocent person but she is the person in this that bothers me the most. I know the police wouldn't have left her in charge of students if they believed she was responsible, I agree with that, but maybe they didn't consider her a suspect while school was still in. The parents have said that Kyron was at risk of following a direction that could have left him vulnerable due to a talk they had to have with him because he was not listening to adults at school such as teachers, parent helpers and volunteers. Really a shy and timid kid not listening? So as he was being shy and timid he was also not following directions and being rebellious? That doesn't make sense to me. I wish we could find out more about this because I think it is a clue in this case as to who, what, where, when and how this could have happened to this child. BTW, it doesn't mean the teacher did this exactly, as was said above regarding Terri, she could be a culprit in this happening. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 27, 2010, 04:49:32 PM Norose ... I may have been adding to the rumor mill ... sorry. I saw the computers not being checked over at In Sessions forum, there was a lot of talk about that yesterday. I know what you mean, I have work here to do, and I can solve that as well.I looked back at stuff I'd read and the 'LE hasn't checked the computer" came to my attention on the Oregon Live comments thread ... referring back to an interview done with bio dad ... I thought it was a KATU or KPTV interview ... but I've looked a bunch ... and I can't find it ... I'm going with it being a rumor since I can't find it and watch it myself. Still frustrated ... so I'm going back to work ... the problems there I know I can solve :) If I could solve everything ... Joran and Casey would be on death row ... and Kyron would be home. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tracygirl on June 27, 2010, 04:49:56 PM Norose ... I may have been adding to the rumor mill ... sorry. I looked back at stuff I'd read and the 'LE hasn't checked the computer" came to my attention on the Oregon Live comments thread ... referring back to an interview done with bio dad ... I thought it was a KATU or KPTV interview ... but I've looked a bunch ... and I can't find it ... I'm going with it being a rumor since I can't find it and watch it myself. Still frustrated ... so I'm going back to work ... the problems there I know I can solve :) If I could solve everything ... Joran and Casey would be on death row ... and Kyron would be home. He did say his computers had not been taken, it is on one of the interviews from that day. I don't have time to look though, sorry. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: melisb on June 27, 2010, 05:04:36 PM Cartfly--Breathtakingly hot is what I call it. We still don't have any oil NW panhandle. Thank you God! Very odd to reopen the school. I can't imagine that! My son would not have been back without armed guards at every locked and bolted opening/exit known to the school. Staynor it correct. Don't know how I forgot because it was the first story of it's kind at my age then that I paid attention to.
Tracygirl--I have to agree with you too! That school day was an accident waiting to happen. I honestly do see how the teacher let his absence slip by her, sorry. There wasn't enough direction/follow up that day, too much happening and the possibilty of his appointment. Can't say she isn't to blame some but I do understand. That school is so very small kinda hard to misplace a student though. Maybe SM was having an affair or someone stalking her. I dunno. This one confuddles me bad. They need to check all repair crews not with school maintenance, school mant. crews, janitors, etc. Like I said, this was announced on the billboard at the road. Perfect opportunity for SO to creep up through the woods, tall grass. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: melisb on June 27, 2010, 05:10:53 PM One other thing I have to mention. Crimewriter over at BlinkonCrime (sorry, still can't bring over links) mentioned that since Kaine worked at Intel maybe the kid finder chip they worked on may have something to do with it. I don't really believe this is what happened but wouldn't that be just too coinkydinky if he was taken just to point out this purpose or need for. I just couldn't get over how cold his interoffice email was. I know some tech peeps can be sometimes mechanical with emotions but this was his son for goodness sakes! Don't get mad for that last comment please.
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 27, 2010, 05:18:36 PM One other thing I have to mention. Crimewriter over at BlinkonCrime (sorry, still can't bring over links) mentioned that since Kaine worked at Intel maybe the kid finder chip they worked on may have something to do with it. I don't really believe this is what happened but wouldn't that be just too coinkydinky if he was taken just to point out this purpose or need for. I just couldn't get over how cold his interoffice email was. I know some tech peeps can be sometimes mechanical with emotions but this was his son for goodness sakes! Don't get mad for that last comment please. I agree with you. I don't understand that comment over there about the kid finder chip, I don't believe this is what happened either.Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: melisb on June 27, 2010, 05:42:22 PM I think Crimewriter was just stating that worse crimes have happened for very stupid reason. Things some people believe in or are fanatical about. Just that Intel was working on a kid finding chip and Kaine may have worked on it was weird. Props to CW for bringing it up though. I'm not into espionage/scifi stuff but you never know...
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: mymonkey on June 27, 2010, 05:44:06 PM Good Afternoon Monkey Friends..
May I suggest reading this article what an eye opener http://kyronhorman.blogspot.com/2010/06/search-for-kyron-horman_12.html Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: mymonkey on June 27, 2010, 05:49:42 PM Good Afternoon Monkey Friends.. May I suggest reading this article what an eye opener http://kyronhorman.blogspot.com/2010/06/search-for-kyron-horman_12.html Oops sorry the link I thought was the eye opener....http://kyronhorman.blogspot.com/2010/06/politics-and-egos-search-for-kyron.html Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tracygirl on June 27, 2010, 05:50:55 PM See this is the thing that makes me curious. The question with this case is how could a child just vanish and no one notice until the end of the day? It was noticed but it was blocked. Who blocked it? The teacher blocked it. I don't buy for a moment that the teacher was over stressed that day or she was too young, or it was her first year or she was deaf in one ear, or she was the victim of a bad system in place.
First off we don't know what type of system was in place but I bet it included to inform the office if a child goes missing. Did she? No Second, she had helpers there during the one hour science fair, there were parent chaperons. How can you be so stressed as to not be able to recall if a student should be there or not and simply mark him absent? Had she seen him that morning? Yes she did. Third, she is not that young at 30ish for goodness sakes. There are teachers in their very early 20's, fresh out of college and still living with mom and dad. This woman is in her mid thirty's. Fourth, the misunderstanding of the doctor's appointment. This to me is odd only because there were papers to fill out. She would have had to know the exact date the papers were due. I don't buy she thought this was a doctors appointment and I wonder if she was trying to place responsibility onto someone else. Kind of like, it wasn't me it was her. His backpack was there, if she believed he was at a doctors appointment that morning, then why didn't she wonder when he didn't come back to school? How long does an appointment take anyway? If this was an early morning appointment I would gather he would come back to school afterwards, right? Would he not come back to school? His backpack and jacket were there, that tells me if I am a teacher and believed he had an appointment, he was coming back. is that odd for me to think that? I don't think so because if he wasn't coming back why would he bring the backpack in the first place? so to me it is odd that the teacher didn't consider this. I think what is happening is people don't want to consider the teacher because we have to trust our schools environment. Oh my goodness can you imagine if the teacher was an accomplice in this? Everyone would be shocked, completely and utterly shocked a teacher could do this. Why would we be shocked? Because of the perceptions we hold of our teachers, they are people who are loving and caring, woman and men who have dedicated their lives to teaching our children and do it with sacrifice and dedication. In many cases it is very true, in others not so much. We simply cannot imagine a teacher could hurt a child or risk their safety in anyway. Sadly it has happened before and it could have happened here. When I consider everything, I think the teacher's behavior is more hinky then Terri's, jmo. Am I right? I don't know but I sure wish we could explore this without simply discounting it. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: seahorse on June 27, 2010, 06:13:01 PM Good afternoon Monkey's,
The Guest said he is working "on that little boy from Oregon", cellphone was breaking-up during his conversation, Grrr... it wasn't Denny, it wasn't Cobra, it wasn't the voice analysis guy, does anyone know who the fourth guest is please? SM computers were not taken, but was her Cellphone confiscated? They don't need the computer do they, if everything is on her cellphone? Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: seahorse on June 27, 2010, 06:15:18 PM Thanks Seahorse! I found this while sifting through the articles it is a pretty good timeline of accounts that day and the days following. http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/kyron_horman_chronology_of_eve.html Thank-you Newfie and I enjoyed your little story about your dog earlier. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: NCSunny on June 27, 2010, 07:50:23 PM [/quote]All great questions, I can't make sense of them either. They must have a ground keeper somewhere one would think, but it doesn't appear that they do. They have searched all around the school and outside the school. That must have taken awhile I would imagine after viewing those pictures. [/quote] No Rose, I read that due to the economy and cutbacks, the school cannot afford the groundskeeping. It was stated that whatever is done right now is done by parents who volunteer. :( How sad and you are right, it does look like it could be in a horror movie. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: darla on June 27, 2010, 08:05:30 PM Good Evening Monkeys and Guest!
This is my opinion only.....I have been reading and watching everything that has been put out about Kyron. How safe their school was and how everyone knew everyone by name. Noone could have walked away with Kyron without being seen, yada yada yada. Dear Lord you could have parked a tank beside the steps and no one would have seen it. What a dang mess. Do they have snakes in that area? The men of the community could take two Sat. a month and clean that freakin mess up. Geeshhhhhhhhh. Unreal Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tracygirl on June 27, 2010, 08:38:11 PM Good Evening Monkeys and Guest! This is my opinion only.....I have been reading and watching everything that has been put out about Kyron. How safe their school was and how everyone knew everyone by name. Noone could have walked away with Kyron without being seen, yada yada yada. Dear Lord you could have parked a tank beside the steps and no one would have seen it. What a dang mess. Do they have snakes in that area? The men of the community could take two Sat. a month and clean that freakin mess up. Geeshhhhhhhhh. Unreal I am not sure this is correct but there is a door near to the classroom door and this leads out to the parking lot. So if Kyron was walked to a few feet from the classroom and this is the last time someone reports seeing him (Terri), if he walked into the classroom was the person that took him in that classroom? If there is a door right there, could this person have asked him to help with something or to take something for them, would this have been enough of an opportunity for someone to snatch him? So Kyron walks into the class and someone says, "hey Kyron can you help me carry these please outside?" Or says "kyron I need you to take these to a person just outside the door there", he obeys and follows orders so not to get into trouble, and boom he is snatched up by someone in a waiting car. Or he is asked, did you see that cool electric project in room so and so? This person tells him there is enough time before the bell rings go check it out. He walk into the room and he is bound and gagged, placed into a container and the person walks out with him. I wonder who the at the school say they saw Kyron leave with Terri, have they been checked out? could they be helping too? Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 27, 2010, 09:14:07 PM Good Afternoon Monkey Friends.. Wow, if this were my child I would accept his help, I would accept anyone's help.May I suggest reading this article what an eye opener http://kyronhorman.blogspot.com/2010/06/search-for-kyron-horman_12.html Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 27, 2010, 09:16:18 PM [/quote] No Rose, I read that due to the economy and cutbacks, the school cannot afford the groundskeeping. It was stated that whatever is done right now is done by parents who volunteer. :( How sad and you are right, it does look like it could be in a horror movie. [/quote]Isn't that sad that a school has to look like this? It makes me sick that with budget cuts so many things are ignored. That school looks down right dangerous. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 27, 2010, 09:17:54 PM Good Evening Monkeys and Guest! It is unreal, and not only snakes, wondering if there were coyotes, and other animals, OMG a kid could go missing just in the grass alone, you wouldn't see a small child.This is my opinion only.....I have been reading and watching everything that has been put out about Kyron. How safe their school was and how everyone knew everyone by name. Noone could have walked away with Kyron without being seen, yada yada yada. Dear Lord you could have parked a tank beside the steps and no one would have seen it. What a dang mess. Do they have snakes in that area? The men of the community could take two Sat. a month and clean that freakin mess up. Geeshhhhhhhhh. Unreal Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tamikosmom on June 27, 2010, 09:41:04 PM Bottom Line:
Terri Horman was not forthcoming about her activities on the day that Kyron went missing. She was not forthcomng about her activities around the time she claim she dropped Kryon off at school. Why? For crying out loud her stepson was missing and whe was being deceitful. Something is not right. Lies are meant to cover the truth. What truth was Terri covering. Janet Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 27, 2010, 09:47:20 PM Bottom Line: Always upsetting that a person is not forth coming, what is the purpose of this? Were there any searches today?Terri Horman was not forthcoming about her activities on the day that Kyron went missing. She was not forthcomng about her activities around the time she claim she dropped Kryon off at school. Why? For crying out loud her stepson was missing and whe was being deceitful. Something is not right. Lies are meant to cover the truth. What truth was Terri covering. Janet Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tracygirl on June 27, 2010, 10:10:02 PM Bottom Line: Terri Horman was not forthcoming about her activities on the day that Kyron went missing. She was not forthcomng about her activities around the time she claim she dropped Kryon off at school. Why? For crying out loud her stepson was missing and whe was being deceitful. Something is not right. Lies are meant to cover the truth. What truth was Terri covering. Janet Janet are we sure she wasn't truthful or was it fact? I don't recall LE specifically saying she wasn't truthful. I think that is assumed because she was given a 2nd poly. But what if someone was saying something about her and LE wanted to check if it was true or not. For instance, a "witness" saying she was somewhere and she was saying she wasn't so they gave a poly to see if she was lying or not. We just don't know. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: cartfly on June 27, 2010, 10:32:25 PM This photo shows a concentrated look on Kaines face. SM has been question "six hours" several times...is she the Key? Perhaps, not the Culprit? [/quote]I believe she is the key, I don't recall anyone else being questioned for that long, at least I haven't read anything about that. Brandi thanks again for that link to those pictures, it really helps to see this area. Cartfly, if you are on, could you please go to Brandi's Avatar Thread. Thanks. [/quote] Thanks Norrose! I have officially lost 25 pounds!!! (avi strunk) [/quote]LOL [/quote] I should have asked if my monkey suit made my butt look big..... [/quote] It did. (http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/hello/tongue.gif) [/quote] Hehe!!!! Too funny, thanks Brandi for the laugh, that avi is hysterical! :) Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: cartfly on June 27, 2010, 10:41:06 PM Good Afternoon Monkey Friends.. Thanks mymonkey, very interesting blog.May I suggest reading this article what an eye opener http://kyronhorman.blogspot.com/2010/06/search-for-kyron-horman_12.html Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tamikosmom on June 27, 2010, 10:55:13 PM Bottom Line: Terri Horman was not forthcoming about her activities on the day that Kyron went missing. She was not forthcomng about her activities around the time she claim she dropped Kryon off at school. Why? For crying out loud her stepson was missing and whe was being deceitful. Something is not right. Lies are meant to cover the truth. What truth was Terri covering. Janet Janet are we sure she wasn't truthful or was it fact? I don't recall LE specifically saying she wasn't truthful. I think that is assumed because she was given a 2nd poly. But what if someone was saying something about her and LE wanted to check if it was true or not. For instance, a "witness" saying she was somewhere and she was saying she wasn't so they gave a poly to see if she was lying or not. We just don't know. Kyron Horman's Stepmom Now "Main Focus" of Investigation June 21, 2010 The search for Kyron has focused on Sauvie Island, a stretch of land five miles from the elementary school where Moulton Horman said she last saw him. Multiple sources tell the Weekly that Kyron's stepmother's story doesn't match her cell phone records, which indicate she was on Sauvie the day he disappeared. http://blogs.seattleweekly.com/dailyweekly/2010/06/kyron_hormans_stepmom_now_main.php Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: cartfly on June 27, 2010, 11:00:13 PM Good Afternoon Monkey Friends.. May I suggest reading this article what an eye opener http://kyronhorman.blogspot.com/2010/06/search-for-kyron-horman_12.html Oops sorry the link I thought was the eye opener....http://kyronhorman.blogspot.com/2010/06/politics-and-egos-search-for-kyron.html Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: cartfly on June 27, 2010, 11:14:25 PM Good Evening Monkeys and Guest! No kidding huh Darla! How hard would it be to run a riding lawn mower and weed eater once a week? I can only imagine what critters would be lurking in that grass. That alone is a safety issue....<monkey shaking head with disbelief>This is my opinion only.....I have been reading and watching everything that has been put out about Kyron. How safe their school was and how everyone knew everyone by name. Noone could have walked away with Kyron without being seen, yada yada yada. Dear Lord you could have parked a tank beside the steps and no one would have seen it. What a dang mess. Do they have snakes in that area? The men of the community could take two Sat. a month and clean that freakin mess up. Geeshhhhhhhhh. Unreal Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: cartfly on June 27, 2010, 11:18:49 PM Bottom Line: I keep coming back to this Janet, too. I still can not shake her lack of emotion. For gods sake, I have never known a "quiet" red head. All that I have ever known, were feisty as hell and would be screaming from the roof tops if their child was missing. Something has got to break here, this has gone on for too long.Terri Horman was not forthcoming about her activities on the day that Kyron went missing. She was not forthcomng about her activities around the time she claim she dropped Kryon off at school. Why? For crying out loud her stepson was missing and whe was being deceitful. Something is not right. Lies are meant to cover the truth. What truth was Terri covering. Janet Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: cartfly on June 27, 2010, 11:20:22 PM Although I am not a regular poster in Kyron's thread, I wanted to point you all to some great pictures of Portland and Skyline Elementary School, taken today, from radionewz's forum: Bump, for interesting photos in case anyone missed them. They are being updated frequently.http://forums.radionewz.net/index.php?topic=151.0 Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: cartfly on June 28, 2010, 01:02:22 AM In case this hasn't been seen yet (photo of hallway/stairs/Kyron's class): http://photos.oregonlive.com/oregonian/2010/06/kyron_horman_search_attracts_1_3.html (http://photos.oregonlive.com/oregonian/2010/06/kyron_horman_search_attracts_1_3.html) Caption for photo at above link: (snipped): Janitor Bill Tandy walks past Kyron Horman's classroom at Skyline Elementary School in the early hours of June 7, 2010. Andrew Burton / The Oregonian Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tracygirl on June 28, 2010, 02:39:58 AM Bottom Line: Terri Horman was not forthcoming about her activities on the day that Kyron went missing. She was not forthcomng about her activities around the time she claim she dropped Kryon off at school. Why? For crying out loud her stepson was missing and whe was being deceitful. Something is not right. Lies are meant to cover the truth. What truth was Terri covering. Janet Janet are we sure she wasn't truthful or was it fact? I don't recall LE specifically saying she wasn't truthful. I think that is assumed because she was given a 2nd poly. But what if someone was saying something about her and LE wanted to check if it was true or not. For instance, a "witness" saying she was somewhere and she was saying she wasn't so they gave a poly to see if she was lying or not. We just don't know. Kyron Horman's Stepmom Now "Main Focus" of Investigation June 21, 2010 The search for Kyron has focused on Sauvie Island, a stretch of land five miles from the elementary school where Moulton Horman said she last saw him. Multiple sources tell the Weekly that Kyron's stepmother's story doesn't match her cell phone records, which indicate she was on Sauvie the day he disappeared. http://blogs.seattleweekly.com/dailyweekly/2010/06/kyron_hormans_stepmom_now_main.php Janet this is an unconfirmed source. Investigators have not come out and said this. This case is too riddled with rumor and opinions to consider anything that comes from an unnamed and unconfirmed source. No disrespect to anyone is intended by that. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tracygirl on June 28, 2010, 02:43:03 AM I find it very interesting not one person has commented on my posting about the teacher. She is my lead person right now. I think when you consider everything in this case, she fits better then anyone else, even the step mom. I suppose time will tell but I really think she is involved.
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Wyks on June 28, 2010, 03:45:20 AM Oops sorry the link I thought was the eye opener....http://kyronhorman.blogspot.com/2010/06/politics-and-egos-search-for-kyron.html I have been in contact with him, as have several others. He just let me know (and posted on his blog above as well) that he is willing to help, and will do so FREE of charge. He's now working out the details. The one thing that is HIGHLY important, is that he gets Kyron's scent from the family, which will help immensely. Otherwise, he's going in with a 5% chance of rescue. Because of the 1500+ searchers that have already traipsed thru the areas. He is willing to re-search the school. The powers that be will need to be willing to allow him access. There is a member at the Psychic for Missing Persons forum who is contacting the media for a little 'nudge' to get help and cooperation where needed. Normally, it's the family who needs to make the first move. But this has basically been a combined effort of concerned citizens going TO Mr. Oakes, asking him for help. We now need the family to come on board, which may be an obstacle. Sigh. Mr. Oakes is willing to do what he can, even without Kyron's scent. Bless his heart. By the way, his dog is the world's leading SAR K9. :D Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: nana0567 on June 28, 2010, 06:39:33 AM Just a few comments... hi MelissaB- this happened on a Friday and if I remember right school resumed on the following Monday. I thought that was odd.Did they close the school after Kyron disappeared or resume the next day as normal? SM being a former body builder and "look at me" person before seems awful, awful shy now. Why not head up high and find my stepson?!!! I believe Blink and always will but this time I have a weird feeling bout SM. I'm sure it's just cause she was last to be seen w/him but now that I look at the school pics it's real easy to slip a little kid away from there. What a creepy, unsecured place. Wonder if they checked the janitor carts with the attached hanging bags. All schools I have been in and sent my son to have the big industrial push carts with the hanging bags or trash barrel in front. Other scenario in my head besides SM is...can't remember his name the man stole him and kept him for years and his brother became the Yosimite killer? I also am hanging with the detective's comments. If planned out as skillfully as he suggest then the school opening at an earlier than normal time and classes starting later with folk milling around unchecked/tagged by office would be a SO's dream come true! Just my rambling thoughts today. Ya'll have a good one. Keeping cool as it's sweltering here in FL. OT question for any Pac. NW person--what is the humidity like in the summer and how hot does it get there. Just wondering how a body would fare there if outside. Sorry to be grim. I am on the fence too about SM. She "acts" like she knows something. She seems disconnected but I am not sure why. Was that Steven Stayner's brother in the Yosemite murder? I remember how sad that whole thing was but don't remember all the names. I read somewhere but don't know if we talked about it here. It was "said" that the janitor had only been on the job for 2 weeks prior to Kyron disappearing. Anyone know what his name is or if this a fact or not? OT: MelissB- I am in the south too and OMG the humidity is awful. It doesn't make sense to be sweating at 8 AM. I desperately wanted to go to our favorite beach, Orange/Gulf shores, but as you know thats out.....so sad :( I am hoping and praying for Kyron's safe return!!! Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: NCSunny on June 28, 2010, 07:48:55 AM All great questions, I can't make sense of them either. They must have a ground keeper somewhere one would think, but it doesn't appear that they do. They have searched all around the school and outside the school. That must have taken awhile I would imagine after viewing those pictures. No Rose, I read that due to the economy and cutbacks, the school cannot afford the groundskeeping. It was stated that whatever is done right now is done by parents who volunteer. :( How sad and you are right, it does look like it could be in a horror movie. Isn't that sad that a school has to look like this? It makes me sick that with budget cuts so many things are ignored. That school looks down right dangerous. Sorry, I saw later that you had explained why the lack of groundskeeping, I should have read father ahead before posting. ;) ITA it looks unsafe for many reasons. It gives all sorts of hiding places for snakes, wild critters, and then, unfortunalely....the human creeps. I would almost bet that more parents will take on some of the responsibility for the upkeep now that this has happened. At least one would think they would. A little thing that could help so much with the safety of their children! Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: NCSunny on June 28, 2010, 08:00:32 AM See this is the thing that makes me curious. The question with this case is how could a child just vanish and no one notice until the end of the day? It was noticed but it was blocked. Who blocked it? The teacher blocked it. I don't buy for a moment that the teacher was over stressed that day or she was too young, or it was her first year or she was deaf in one ear, or she was the victim of a bad system in place. First off we don't know what type of system was in place but I bet it included to inform the office if a child goes missing. Did she? No Second, she had helpers there during the one hour science fair, there were parent chaperons. How can you be so stressed as to not be able to recall if a student should be there or not and simply mark him absent? Had she seen him that morning? Yes she did. Third, she is not that young at 30ish for goodness sakes. There are teachers in their very early 20's, fresh out of college and still living with mom and dad. This woman is in her mid thirty's. Fourth, the misunderstanding of the doctor's appointment. This to me is odd only because there were papers to fill out. She would have had to know the exact date the papers were due. I don't buy she thought this was a doctors appointment and I wonder if she was trying to place responsibility onto someone else. Kind of like, it wasn't me it was her. His backpack was there, if she believed he was at a doctors appointment that morning, then why didn't she wonder when he didn't come back to school? How long does an appointment take anyway? If this was an early morning appointment I would gather he would come back to school afterwards, right? Would he not come back to school? His backpack and jacket were there, that tells me if I am a teacher and believed he had an appointment, he was coming back. is that odd for me to think that? I don't think so because if he wasn't coming back why would he bring the backpack in the first place? so to me it is odd that the teacher didn't consider this. I think what is happening is people don't want to consider the teacher because we have to trust our schools environment. Oh my goodness can you imagine if the teacher was an accomplice in this? Everyone would be shocked, completely and utterly shocked a teacher could do this. Why would we be shocked? Because of the perceptions we hold of our teachers, they are people who are loving and caring, woman and men who have dedicated their lives to teaching our children and do it with sacrifice and dedication. In many cases it is very true, in others not so much. We simply cannot imagine a teacher could hurt a child or risk their safety in anyway. Sadly it has happened before and it could have happened here. When I consider everything, I think the teacher's behavior is more hinky then Terri's, jmo. Am I right? I don't know but I sure wish we could explore this without simply discounting it. TG - All good points!! And I totally agree. I too have questioned the teacher's lack of responsibility. It just seems odd that a teacher would overlook something like that. I know every teacher my kids have/had, would be the first to call home when one was not in class. Then you would get the automated recording from the school district later that evening. She may be totally innocent in all this, we never know what was going on in her personal life that could have contributed to her 'confusion' for that day, but to me, she does seem to be given a pass for not checking further as to where Kyron was...just because she is a teacher. I think no one deserves a 'pass' for any reason in the case of a missing child. It wouldn't surprise me to find out [if not this case] that a teacher could be responsible, monsters come in a shapes and walks of life as we have seen over and over. It is possible that LE has checked her out and cleared her, something we don't yet know. But to me, something is fishy...all around! JMO Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 28, 2010, 08:40:59 AM I find it very interesting not one person has commented on my posting about the teacher. She is my lead person right now. I think when you consider everything in this case, she fits better then anyone else, even the step mom. I suppose time will tell but I really think she is involved. No doubt the teacher was irresponsible at best, but why would she do something to Kyron? When would she have had the time to take him and do something to him? I'm still going with my original thoughts and that is the step mom. If not she hurting Kyron, she has some idea who may have. Thanks Wyks about the news on the man who is willing to search, he certainly had some very detailed ways to search, but if he needs something with Kyron's scent, the family has to be okay with that. I'm taking it that the family doesn't want to have him search, and if not why?Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Lenie on June 28, 2010, 08:42:06 AM Just some thoughts
Did we not read somewhere that the substitute teacher was NOT there on the day of the science fair? I thought this was in an article disputing what the little boy said about the last time he saw Kyron (Tanner I think). Disputing the fact that he actually saw Kyron and spoke with him. Second, we live across from an older elementary school. There is no way the whole building could be checked in a couple of hours. Too many doors that haven't been used in ages, dropped ceilings, outbuildings, and general ground area. The school Kyron went to has so much more ground then our school so I just can't imagine all of that being searched in less than 24 hours. I think there is a lot more than meets the eye. I believe that law enforcement is holding a lot of info close to the vest. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Deenie on June 28, 2010, 08:52:23 AM I know this was posted back ..a few pages.
The video of Kaine and Desiree - Parents of Kyron http://www.kgw.com/video?id=97177194&sec=547977 I only watched the first few minutes. I don't at this point care what either have to say -- First off I think Kaine knows something. (jmo) I think he is a control freak too. I don't like him. Just my Gut. What I noticed is " Kyron's Mother has changed her Hair Color. She is wearing false eyelashes. Both Kaine and Desiree within the first few minutes of the interview " Blink excessively" if you pay attention. Kaine stops blinking when he is stating he is Kyron's father and He and she are Kyron's natural parents. http://www.bodylanguagesignals.com/Eyes.html Excessive blinking in body language: snipped: Blinking - Prolonged blinking (as if blinking in slow motion) --> losing interest (or feeling very sleepy! )- often accompanied by a raised eyebrow. To maintain your influence, change the conversation quickly or ask a question to get them to refocus. - Excessive blinking --> showing romantic interest (if their pupil is dilated) --> sign of stress --> could be lying - Rolling the eyes upwards --> disagreement (or exasperation if very obvious). My best advice if you spot this signal: stop and ask for their opinion... and listen to them! That goes back to Terri and her " Blinking" and fluttering of her eyes .. Rolling of her eyes. ** the other comment I have to offer is within this interview of Kaine/Desiree. Desiree states that "they are very timid people/tend to be pretty private people" offering and adding to the excuse of why ..they have not said much. WHAT? I am being a Smart azz here. Is it that they were asked to sing " the National Anthem at a Baseball stadium .. Or was it asked of them to talk about their missing Son? She goes on to say our main focus was to put out Kyron's picture.. and we did that, as best as we could. * sounds like it was a loss/defeat in her words. We Sigh, did the best we could....that is all you could do? Yet no one has protested " within" the four-some " Find Kyron with tears, with worry, with pleading .. to who ever has him". I do not understand these people at all. If my kid was missing- You would be sick of hearing my voice. I would be plastered all over the news and media. ( Not Cindy) but I would do and or say anything to be heard. I would break bricks to find my kid. I am finding this to be within the family. It is not of a stranger that took Kyron. Another FUBAR family ..with a child missing. Seems to be the families that either talk too much or do not say enough ..are the Perps and or responsible/ or Know why/how/who.. when a young child is missing. Kyron " little Man" I pray that you are somewhere that no one is hurting you. That you are not scared. That you are safe. ( I think this entire bunch of Adults - that are to be responsible for Kyron are Granola) I don't care for any of them. They are all backing up each other. And I feel Terri is the Weakest link. So they are using her. Because they can. The Timid and private people that they are. Puke. This family has Hinky tattooed to their foreheads. jmo. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 28, 2010, 09:11:33 AM I believe also there is way more then what meets the eye. I would not be surprised at all the Kaine is a control freak, my gut feeling also. Tanner is only eight years old, I don't take a lot of what he says as gospel, he may be confused or has days mixed up, heck I'm a lot older than eight, and get things mixed up, especially with things that happen or what I have seen on a specific day.
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 28, 2010, 09:25:47 AM Has probably nothing to do with anything but it has been bugging me. It certainly appears that Kaine makes very good money, and a lot of times when that is the case the parents but the child in a private school. I realize the school and area are disturbing, but wondered if the school itself has good teachers and a good school program there and that is maybe why he was sent to that public school.
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 28, 2010, 09:33:09 AM The woman who has been taking those great pictures now has pics from the Sauvie Island, very beautiful area, and on the island is a very nice school, well kept up. Very lush and dense on the island, lots of farmland.
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: newfie on June 28, 2010, 09:42:02 AM I find the teachers lack of taking the responsibilty a problem as well. No one has come forward and substantiated the doctors form and date. The teacher quickly pointed the finger at Terri. If I were the teacher in that situation I would have expressed how horrible I felt that Kyron went missing under my watch. I would have apologized for an apparent misunderstanding, if that is what it was. I do not think the teacher is guilty of anything except negligence.
LE needs to put a few things to rest. They need to tell the public why this is an isolated incident. Until they do I would be fearful that there is a lunatic running around. They don't have to tell us the what, but they could state the why they feel that way, ie via evidence collected etc. As far as Tanner saying substitute that could be verbiage. Any adult helper that morning could have been referred to as a substitute in his eyes. I am more apt to believe a child over an adult. Adults have alot more experience at lying and what would Tanner have to gain by lying? I think he wants his friend found and told his grandmother what he witnessed that morning and God Bless her, she said screw LE we need to put the truth out there. Kaine may be a control freak but I have friends and family members that are and they are upstanding people, that work hard but just have a need to be in control. That does not make one a bad person. As far as anyone in the family taking care of themselves physically and superficially that is important for balance and well being. These mom's and dad's also have other children that need a healthy balanced parent to love and raise them. Yes Kyron is very important and they love him just as much, so should they let themselves go down the tubes, become disheveled, and get hooked on valium because that is what the public perception deems as normal. We do not know what goes on behind closed doors, it has been three weeks and they probably did walk around like zombies for days, but you have to pick yourself up and be strong. Because that is what Kyron would want. Sorry for my rant, I guess I am frustrated but the truth will surface, I hope sooner rather than later. calmly stepping off soapbox. I find it very interesting not one person has commented on my posting about the teacher. She is my lead person right now. I think when you consider everything in this case, she fits better then anyone else, even the step mom. I suppose time will tell but I really think she is involved. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: NCSunny on June 28, 2010, 09:45:31 AM I find it very interesting not one person has commented on my posting about the teacher. She is my lead person right now. I think when you consider everything in this case, she fits better then anyone else, even the step mom. I suppose time will tell but I really think she is involved. No doubt the teacher was irresponsible at best, but why would she do something to Kyron? When would she have had the time to take him and do something to him? I'm still going with my original thoughts and that is the step mom. If not she hurting Kyron, she has some idea who may have. Thanks Wyks about the news on the man who is willing to search, he certainly had some very detailed ways to search, but if he needs something with Kyron's scent, the family has to be okay with that. I'm taking it that the family doesn't want to have him search, and if not why?I too think SM is the main POI or key, but it isn't beyond the realm of possibilities to imagine a teacher taking an interest in a child, a talented and bright child who in the teacher's opinion wasn't being treated well/fairly. She may have wanted him to raise herself [how she would/could...I haven't figured that out yet.. ;).] She knew all the activities for the day, and could have made plans for that specific day. Had an accomplice ready near the side door that was unlocked to the parking lot. Would be quite easliy done seeing the whole school layout. I know it is a stretch, but it could have happened. Isn't Harry Oakes the man who also tried to help with Lindsy Baum? If i recall correctly MB didn't want his help. I agree HO would be an asset to them, should they choose to allow him. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 28, 2010, 09:47:48 AM Newfie, I would never suggest that Tanner was lying, just that he may be confused about the day, and yes, no doubt, adults I believe make more mistakes on facts then kids. Tanner of course must be very upset, he was his friend and desk mate, and I'm sure the police have spoken to him and have clarified everything with this little boy. I just wish that when the police told his family not to speak they would have listened, I believe it was grandma that let him speak.
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tams on June 28, 2010, 09:49:45 AM Oops sorry the link I thought was the eye opener....http://kyronhorman.blogspot.com/2010/06/politics-and-egos-search-for-kyron.html I have been in contact with him, as have several others. He just let me know (and posted on his blog above as well) that he is willing to help, and will do so FREE of charge. He's now working out the details. The one thing that is HIGHLY important, is that he gets Kyron's scent from the family, which will help immensely. Otherwise, he's going in with a 5% chance of rescue. Because of the 1500+ searchers that have already traipsed thru the areas. He is willing to re-search the school. The powers that be will need to be willing to allow him access. There is a member at the Psychic for Missing Persons forum who is contacting the media for a little 'nudge' to get help and cooperation where needed. Normally, it's the family who needs to make the first move. But this has basically been a combined effort of concerned citizens going TO Mr. Oakes, asking him for help. We now need the family to come on board, which may be an obstacle. Sigh. Mr. Oakes is willing to do what he can, even without Kyron's scent. Bless his heart. By the way, his dog is the world's leading SAR K9. :D 'Morning, monkey friends - Hey, isn't Harry Oakes the guy who brought his dog in to search for Lindsey Baum? IIRC, there was some sort of controversy re: who got him involved (not mom Melissa Baum - IIRC she was upset & would not speak/cooperate with him?) Perhaps another monkey is more versed on the details of that case; it is interesting, though, that I did not find any mention of his search for Lindsey on his blog page . . . And, IMHO, upon reading his blog, he surely seems to have an axe to grind with Oregon LE, no? I can understand his frustrations (if his allegations are correct) - but wow! Seems hell bent to prove them incompetent . . . his rants make me think of another rogue-ish loose canon, 'Cobra' . . . hearts in the right place, but . . . anyone else get that feeling reading his blog? Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 28, 2010, 09:50:47 AM I find it very interesting not one person has commented on my posting about the teacher. She is my lead person right now. I think when you consider everything in this case, she fits better then anyone else, even the step mom. I suppose time will tell but I really think she is involved. No doubt the teacher was irresponsible at best, but why would she do something to Kyron? When would she have had the time to take him and do something to him? I'm still going with my original thoughts and that is the step mom. If not she hurting Kyron, she has some idea who may have. Thanks Wyks about the news on the man who is willing to search, he certainly had some very detailed ways to search, but if he needs something with Kyron's scent, the family has to be okay with that. I'm taking it that the family doesn't want to have him search, and if not why?I too think SM is the main POI or key, but it isn't beyond the realm of possibilities to imagine a teacher taking an interest in a child, a talented and bright child who in the teacher's opinion wasn't being treated well/fairly. She may have wanted him to raise herself [how she would/could...I haven't figured that out yet.. ;).] She knew all the activities for the day, and could have made plans for that specific day. Had an accomplice ready near the side door that was unlocked to the parking lot. Would be quite easliy done seeing the whole school layout. I know it is a stretch, but it could have happened. Isn't Harry Oakes the man who also tried to help with Lindsy Baum? If i recall correctly MB didn't want his help. I agree HO would be an asset to them, should they choose to allow him. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: newfie on June 28, 2010, 10:09:25 AM hugs to you norose if I came across a bit strong... I know you would not imply that Tanner was lying, I just feel he told the truth and yes grandma told him to. I think this Oakes person would be great to utilize. I would welcome him if I were the parent. I wonder if he will contact the parents. They can certainly hire him. I believe that LE is doing all they can but sometimes an outside objective view helps in these situations. Thanks Wyks for contacting him.
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 28, 2010, 10:13:48 AM hugs to you norose if I came across a bit strong... I know you would not imply that Tanner was lying, I just feel he told the truth and yes grandma told him to. I think this Oakes person would be great to utilize. I would welcome him if I were the parent. I wonder if he will contact the parents. They can certainly hire him. I believe that LE is doing all they can but sometimes an outside objective view helps in these situations. Thanks Wyks for contacting him. HUGS I was also thinking that sometimes kids at that age, will sometimes say things in order to please the adults around them, not suggesting he did this, just remembering that I had done that as a child. I agree Oakes would be a big contribution, but it doesn't appear they want to use him for whatever reason.Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: melisb on June 28, 2010, 10:57:16 AM Didn't Mr. Oakes actually pick up a scent or 'trail' of some sort and it was discounted and never checked? I'd be pissed too.
TG==my comments about the teacher being neglectful isn't to excuse her I'm just saying that this school did not have proper plans in place that day to ensure the safety of the children. My son's school has ALL locked portals except the main office door. Now thinking about it...with LE holding so much back could this teacher be the one saying that little Kyron left with SM? Just a thought and opinion. Heck, we don't know a darned thing except what we don't know!!! That's just sad! Someone please give Mr. Oakes anything with Kyron's scent on it. This gives me hope he won't be another lost one just waiting to be found and brought home. I hope LE does not block him. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: melisb on June 28, 2010, 11:01:52 AM Didn't Mr. Oakes actually pick up a scent or 'trail' of some sort and it was discounted and never checked? I'd be pissed too. TG==my comments about the teacher being neglectful isn't to excuse her I'm just saying that this school did not have proper plans in place that day to ensure the safety of the children. My son's school has ALL locked portals except the main office door. Now thinking about it...with LE holding so much back could this teacher be the one saying that little Kyron left with SM? Just a thought and opinion. Heck, we don't know a darned thing except what we don't know!!! That's just sad! Someone please give Mr. Oakes anything with Kyron's scent on it. This gives me hope he won't be another lost one just waiting to be found and brought home. I hope LE does not block him. I'm sorry...I was referring to the LB case with Mr. Oakes above. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: cartfly on June 28, 2010, 11:48:49 AM Oops sorry the link I thought was the eye opener....http://kyronhorman.blogspot.com/2010/06/politics-and-egos-search-for-kyron.html I have been in contact with him, as have several others. He just let me know (and posted on his blog above as well) that he is willing to help, and will do so FREE of charge. He's now working out the details. The one thing that is HIGHLY important, is that he gets Kyron's scent from the family, which will help immensely. Otherwise, he's going in with a 5% chance of rescue. Because of the 1500+ searchers that have already traipsed thru the areas. He is willing to re-search the school. The powers that be will need to be willing to allow him access. There is a member at the Psychic for Missing Persons forum who is contacting the media for a little 'nudge' to get help and cooperation where needed. Normally, it's the family who needs to make the first move. But this has basically been a combined effort of concerned citizens going TO Mr. Oakes, asking him for help. We now need the family to come on board, which may be an obstacle. Sigh. Mr. Oakes is willing to do what he can, even without Kyron's scent. Bless his heart. By the way, his dog is the world's leading SAR K9. :D I sure hope his skills are accepted. Can he just go out there alone if an owner allows him access to their property? This is ridiculous the family would deny him. What could it hurt if they truly want Kyron to come home? Thanks again Wyks, you're an angel! Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: cartfly on June 28, 2010, 12:02:31 PM I find it very interesting not one person has commented on my posting about the teacher. She is my lead person right now. I think when you consider everything in this case, she fits better then anyone else, even the step mom. I suppose time will tell but I really think she is involved. I am so confuzzled that I hadn't put much thought into the teacher. But looking at Sandra's case I never would have thought a Sunday school teacher would be the perp. So I guess this is indeed a possibility. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: cartfly on June 28, 2010, 12:59:17 PM Just a few comments... hi MelissaB- this happened on a Friday and if I remember right school resumed on the following Monday. I thought that was odd.Did they close the school after Kyron disappeared or resume the next day as normal? SM being a former body builder and "look at me" person before seems awful, awful shy now. Why not head up high and find my stepson?!!! I believe Blink and always will but this time I have a weird feeling bout SM. I'm sure it's just cause she was last to be seen w/him but now that I look at the school pics it's real easy to slip a little kid away from there. What a creepy, unsecured place. Wonder if they checked the janitor carts with the attached hanging bags. All schools I have been in and sent my son to have the big industrial push carts with the hanging bags or trash barrel in front. Other scenario in my head besides SM is...can't remember his name the man stole him and kept him for years and his brother became the Yosimite killer? I also am hanging with the detective's comments. If planned out as skillfully as he suggest then the school opening at an earlier than normal time and classes starting later with folk milling around unchecked/tagged by office would be a SO's dream come true! Just my rambling thoughts today. Ya'll have a good one. Keeping cool as it's sweltering here in FL. OT question for any Pac. NW person--what is the humidity like in the summer and how hot does it get there. Just wondering how a body would fare there if outside. Sorry to be grim. I am on the fence too about SM. She "acts" like she knows something. She seems disconnected but I am not sure why. Was that Steven Stayner's brother in the Yosemite murder? I remember how sad that whole thing was but don't remember all the names. I read somewhere but don't know if we talked about it here. It was "said" that the janitor had only been on the job for 2 weeks prior to Kyron disappearing. Anyone know what his name is or if this a fact or not? OT: MelissB- I am in the south too and OMG the humidity is awful. It doesn't make sense to be sweating at 8 AM. I desperately wanted to go to our favorite beach, Orange/Gulf shores, but as you know thats out.....so sad :( I am hoping and praying for Kyron's safe return!!! Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: seahorse on June 28, 2010, 01:21:34 PM B. projects a break will come this week (message boards).
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 28, 2010, 01:24:05 PM B. projects a break will come this week (message boards). Thanks I saw that also.Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tracygirl on June 28, 2010, 01:56:16 PM I find it very interesting not one person has commented on my posting about the teacher. She is my lead person right now. I think when you consider everything in this case, she fits better then anyone else, even the step mom. I suppose time will tell but I really think she is involved. No doubt the teacher was irresponsible at best, but why would she do something to Kyron? When would she have had the time to take him and do something to him? I'm still going with my original thoughts and that is the step mom. If not she hurting Kyron, she has some idea who may have. Thanks Wyks about the news on the man who is willing to search, he certainly had some very detailed ways to search, but if he needs something with Kyron's scent, the family has to be okay with that. I'm taking it that the family doesn't want to have him search, and if not why?NoRose why does any kidnapper take a child? It never fits into a perfect mold. Why did MH take Sandra and kill her? Why did Tori's killers lure her? I don't think the teacher herself did this, but perhaps is involved in covering or I suppose she could have hid him somewhere. If you consider the teacher you don't need as many side explanations of events. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tamikosmom on June 28, 2010, 02:16:17 PM Bottom Line: Terri Horman was not forthcoming about her activities on the day that Kyron went missing. She was not forthcomng about her activities around the time she claim she dropped Kryon off at school. Why? For crying out loud her stepson was missing and whe was being deceitful. Something is not right. Lies are meant to cover the truth. What truth was Terri covering. Janet Janet are we sure she wasn't truthful or was it fact? I don't recall LE specifically saying she wasn't truthful. I think that is assumed because she was given a 2nd poly. But what if someone was saying something about her and LE wanted to check if it was true or not. For instance, a "witness" saying she was somewhere and she was saying she wasn't so they gave a poly to see if she was lying or not. We just don't know. Kyron Horman's Stepmom Now "Main Focus" of Investigation June 21, 2010 The search for Kyron has focused on Sauvie Island, a stretch of land five miles from the elementary school where Moulton Horman said she last saw him. Multiple sources tell the Weekly that Kyron's stepmother's story doesn't match her cell phone records, which indicate she was on Sauvie the day he disappeared. http://blogs.seattleweekly.com/dailyweekly/2010/06/kyron_hormans_stepmom_now_main.php Tracygirl My hinky meter is on red alert. Why did you think a search was focused on Sauvie Island? Why do you think authorities requested Terri Horman to take a second polygraph? Where do you think the "rumor" that cell phone records revealed discrepanies in Terri story originated? Thanks Janet +++++ Sources: Search for Kyron Horman Focuses on Step-Mom, Cell Records 4:52 PM June 17th, 2010 The island is more than five miles from rural Skyline Elementary School, where Horman was reported missing June 4. But rescuers on horseback, on foot and in dive teams have repeatedly scoured the island beginning around June 10 and continuing this week — even after Multnomah County Sheriff Dan Staton called off other major search operations last Sunday. WW has learned that federal, county and city law-enforcement officials say the reason for the search of Sauvie Island is that cell-phone records reveal Kyron’s step-mother, Terri Moulton Horman, may have been on the island the day he disappeared. http://blogs.wweek.com/news/2010/06/17/sources-search-for-kyron-horman-focuses-on-step-mom-cell-records/ Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 28, 2010, 02:27:13 PM I suppose the teacher could have done this, but I just don't think so. Now if I find out that the teacher has a connection to the family, either as a lover to either the step mom or dad, or is some kind of deranged individual out to get the family, than I might think there is a connection. Otherwise I just don't think so.
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tracygirl on June 28, 2010, 02:29:22 PM I find the teachers lack of taking the responsibilty a problem as well. No one has come forward and substantiated the doctors form and date. The teacher quickly pointed the finger at Terri. If I were the teacher in that situation I would have expressed how horrible I felt that Kyron went missing under my watch. I would have apologized for an apparent misunderstanding, if that is what it was. I do not think the teacher is guilty of anything except negligence. Good post Newfie. LE needs to put a few things to rest. They need to tell the public why this is an isolated incident. Until they do I would be fearful that there is a lunatic running around. They don't have to tell us the what, but they could state the why they feel that way, ie via evidence collected etc. As far as Tanner saying substitute that could be verbiage. Any adult helper that morning could have been referred to as a substitute in his eyes. I am more apt to believe a child over an adult. Adults have alot more experience at lying and what would Tanner have to gain by lying? I think he wants his friend found and told his grandmother what he witnessed that morning and God Bless her, she said screw LE we need to put the truth out there. Kaine may be a control freak but I have friends and family members that are and they are upstanding people, that work hard but just have a need to be in control. That does not make one a bad person. As far as anyone in the family taking care of themselves physically and superficially that is important for balance and well being. These mom's and dad's also have other children that need a healthy balanced parent to love and raise them. Yes Kyron is very important and they love him just as much, so should they let themselves go down the tubes, become disheveled, and get hooked on valium because that is what the public perception deems as normal. We do not know what goes on behind closed doors, it has been three weeks and they probably did walk around like zombies for days, but you have to pick yourself up and be strong. Because that is what Kyron would want. Sorry for my rant, I guess I am frustrated but the truth will surface, I hope sooner rather than later. calmly stepping off soapbox. I find it very interesting not one person has commented on my posting about the teacher. She is my lead person right now. I think when you consider everything in this case, she fits better then anyone else, even the step mom. I suppose time will tell but I really think she is involved. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tracygirl on June 28, 2010, 02:32:17 PM Bottom Line: Terri Horman was not forthcoming about her activities on the day that Kyron went missing. She was not forthcomng about her activities around the time she claim she dropped Kryon off at school. Why? For crying out loud her stepson was missing and whe was being deceitful. Something is not right. Lies are meant to cover the truth. What truth was Terri covering. Janet Janet are we sure she wasn't truthful or was it fact? I don't recall LE specifically saying she wasn't truthful. I think that is assumed because she was given a 2nd poly. But what if someone was saying something about her and LE wanted to check if it was true or not. For instance, a "witness" saying she was somewhere and she was saying she wasn't so they gave a poly to see if she was lying or not. We just don't know. Kyron Horman's Stepmom Now "Main Focus" of Investigation June 21, 2010 The search for Kyron has focused on Sauvie Island, a stretch of land five miles from the elementary school where Moulton Horman said she last saw him. Multiple sources tell the Weekly that Kyron's stepmother's story doesn't match her cell phone records, which indicate she was on Sauvie the day he disappeared. http://blogs.seattleweekly.com/dailyweekly/2010/06/kyron_hormans_stepmom_now_main.php Tracygirl My hinky meter is on red alert. Why did you think a search was focused on Sauvie Island? Why do you think authorities requested Terri Horman to take a second polygraph? Where do you think the "rumor" that cell phone records revealed discrepanies in Terri story originated? Thanks Janet +++++ Sources: Search for Kyron Horman Focuses on Step-Mom, Cell Records 4:52 PM June 17th, 2010 The island is more than five miles from rural Skyline Elementary School, where Horman was reported missing June 4. But rescuers on horseback, on foot and in dive teams have repeatedly scoured the island beginning around June 10 and continuing this week — even after Multnomah County Sheriff Dan Staton called off other major search operations last Sunday. WW has learned that federal, county and city law-enforcement officials say the reason for the search of Sauvie Island is that cell-phone records reveal Kyron’s step-mother, Terri Moulton Horman, may have been on the island the day he disappeared. http://blogs.wweek.com/news/2010/06/17/sources-search-for-kyron-horman-focuses-on-step-mom-cell-records/ Janet there are a lot of people that live, work or travel through Sauvie Island. Also cell towers hit at different times from different locations. If the rumor is true about the cell phone then it doesn't mean she was on the island, just her cell phone hit there. The 2nd poly could have been to cover a different set of questions. We really don't know enough details. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: seahorse on June 28, 2010, 02:32:17 PM B. projects a break will come this week (message boards). Thanks I saw that also.Thanks for confirming my eyes weren't playing tricks on me:) It takes two-three weeks for DNA to be processed. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tracygirl on June 28, 2010, 02:33:06 PM I suppose the teacher could have done this, but I just don't think so. Now if I find out that the teacher has a connection to the family, either as a lover to either the step mom or dad, or is some kind of deranged individual out to get the family, than I might think there is a connection. Otherwise I just don't think so. What is terri's motive? Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: klaasend on June 28, 2010, 02:34:08 PM FYI - we are going to try putting back avatars and smileys hopefully some time today and see how the site does. Also, the site will be down early morning Wednesday June 30th (we think) at around 2am ET for some updates to the forum software. Hopefully it won't be down long. This is NOT the new server upgrade. I don't have a date on that yet.
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: ScareyCarrie on June 28, 2010, 02:42:25 PM Hello monkeys!
So while on my mini vacay with family this weekend, we were talking about Kyron, handful of us live in Medford, and my soon to be BIL is an MPD officer, and knows Kyron's step dad... Well we all (mpd officers, detectives, swat...alot of LE) and my in laws all go camping at the same lake, and in the evenings have HUGE family style wiffle ball games, and (its hard to know everyone and their kids) apparently we all played wiffle ball with Kyron. Just kinda sad, i met him, and didnt even think about it cuz i meet alot of kids up there, and now he is not out enjoying family camping trips, and wiffle ball :( Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tamikosmom on June 28, 2010, 02:46:46 PM Bottom Line: Terri Horman was not forthcoming about her activities on the day that Kyron went missing. She was not forthcomng about her activities around the time she claim she dropped Kryon off at school. Why? For crying out loud her stepson was missing and whe was being deceitful. Something is not right. Lies are meant to cover the truth. What truth was Terri covering. Janet Janet are we sure she wasn't truthful or was it fact? I don't recall LE specifically saying she wasn't truthful. I think that is assumed because she was given a 2nd poly. But what if someone was saying something about her and LE wanted to check if it was true or not. For instance, a "witness" saying she was somewhere and she was saying she wasn't so they gave a poly to see if she was lying or not. We just don't know. Kyron Horman's Stepmom Now "Main Focus" of Investigation June 21, 2010 The search for Kyron has focused on Sauvie Island, a stretch of land five miles from the elementary school where Moulton Horman said she last saw him. Multiple sources tell the Weekly that Kyron's stepmother's story doesn't match her cell phone records, which indicate she was on Sauvie the day he disappeared. http://blogs.seattleweekly.com/dailyweekly/2010/06/kyron_hormans_stepmom_now_main.php Tracygirl My hinky meter is on red alert. Why did you think a search was focused on Sauvie Island? Why do you think authorities requested Terri Horman to take a second polygraph? Where do you think the "rumor" that cell phone records revealed discrepanies in Terri story originated? Thanks Janet +++++ Sources: Search for Kyron Horman Focuses on Step-Mom, Cell Records 4:52 PM June 17th, 2010 The island is more than five miles from rural Skyline Elementary School, where Horman was reported missing June 4. But rescuers on horseback, on foot and in dive teams have repeatedly scoured the island beginning around June 10 and continuing this week — even after Multnomah County Sheriff Dan Staton called off other major search operations last Sunday. WW has learned that federal, county and city law-enforcement officials say the reason for the search of Sauvie Island is that cell-phone records reveal Kyron’s step-mother, Terri Moulton Horman, may have been on the island the day he disappeared. http://blogs.wweek.com/news/2010/06/17/sources-search-for-kyron-horman-focuses-on-step-mom-cell-records/ Janet there are a lot of people that live, work or travel through Sauvie Island. Also cell towers hit at different times from different locations. If the rumor is true about the cell phone then it doesn't mean she was on the island, just her cell phone hit there. The 2nd poly could have been to cover a different set of questions. We really don't know enough details. Considering the extent of the search on Sauvie Island convinces me that there was a foundation ... a foundation of cell phone expertise. Hey ... I am only focusing my speculation on Terri because according to "sources" she was somewhere on the day that Kyron disappeared ... somewhere she did not disclose to authorities. I still cannot the speculation on this forum encompassing the possible involvement of a teacher. Did I miss something? Janet Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: cartfly on June 28, 2010, 02:49:41 PM I know this was posted back ..a few pages. Good post Deenie. The reasons you state are what keep bringing me back to Terri and possibly Kaine. I mean if Terri was a "body builder" posing on stage in a bikini with cameras flashing, that aint timid.....just saying. But yet she is too "timid" to speak out to her stepson that she loves and adores.The excessive blinking of the two made me dizzy and was not natural, imo. I hope some closure comes this week because this whole thing is bordering on ridiculous. Where is this baby!!The video of Kaine and Desiree - Parents of Kyron http://www.kgw.com/video?id=97177194&sec=547977 I only watched the first few minutes. I don't at this point care what either have to say -- First off I think Kaine knows something. (jmo) I think he is a control freak too. I don't like him. Just my Gut. What I noticed is " Kyron's Mother has changed her Hair Color. She is wearing false eyelashes. Both Kaine and Desiree within the first few minutes of the interview " Blink excessively" if you pay attention. Kaine stops blinking when he is stating he is Kyron's father and He and she are Kyron's natural parents. http://www.bodylanguagesignals.com/Eyes.html Excessive blinking in body language: snipped: Blinking - Prolonged blinking (as if blinking in slow motion) --> losing interest (or feeling very sleepy! )- often accompanied by a raised eyebrow. To maintain your influence, change the conversation quickly or ask a question to get them to refocus. - Excessive blinking --> showing romantic interest (if their pupil is dilated) --> sign of stress --> could be lying - Rolling the eyes upwards --> disagreement (or exasperation if very obvious). My best advice if you spot this signal: stop and ask for their opinion... and listen to them! That goes back to Terri and her " Blinking" and fluttering of her eyes .. Rolling of her eyes. ** the other comment I have to offer is within this interview of Kaine/Desiree. Desiree states that "they are very timid people/tend to be pretty private people" offering and adding to the excuse of why ..they have not said much. WHAT? I am being a Smart azz here. Is it that they were asked to sing " the National Anthem at a Baseball stadium .. Or was it asked of them to talk about their missing Son? She goes on to say our main focus was to put out Kyron's picture.. and we did that, as best as we could. * sounds like it was a loss/defeat in her words. We Sigh, did the best we could....that is all you could do? Yet no one has protested " within" the four-some " Find Kyron with tears, with worry, with pleading .. to who ever has him". I do not understand these people at all. If my kid was missing- You would be sick of hearing my voice. I would be plastered all over the news and media. ( Not Cindy) but I would do and or say anything to be heard. I would break bricks to find my kid. I am finding this to be within the family. It is not of a stranger that took Kyron. Another FUBAR family ..with a child missing. Seems to be the families that either talk too much or do not say enough ..are the Perps and or responsible/ or Know why/how/who.. when a young child is missing. Kyron " little Man" I pray that you are somewhere that no one is hurting you. That you are not scared. That you are safe. ( I think this entire bunch of Adults - that are to be responsible for Kyron are Granola) I don't care for any of them. They are all backing up each other. And I feel Terri is the Weakest link. So they are using her. Because they can. The Timid and private people that they are. Puke. This family has Hinky tattooed to their foreheads. jmo. (climbing ba Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 28, 2010, 02:50:11 PM I suppose the teacher could have done this, but I just don't think so. Now if I find out that the teacher has a connection to the family, either as a lover to either the step mom or dad, or is some kind of deranged individual out to get the family, than I might think there is a connection. Otherwise I just don't think so. What is terri's motive? Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: darla on June 28, 2010, 02:54:19 PM Good Afternoon Monkeys and Guest!
Someone posted on the last page about a break this week. Where is that message board? TIA Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: newfie on June 28, 2010, 02:58:55 PM Great question Tracygirl! I do not see any signs (not that I am an expert) that show sociopathy on Terri's part. Though I do see a physical decline in her over the past year or so. She was an avid bodybuilder and won an award in 2005. Then Kaine and Terri married (as it is stated they did 4-5 years ago). She had her daughter sometime in 2008, and there is a pic of her , her daughter, Kyron, and older son ;where her daughter looks about 6mo. old or so, and Terri is thinner and appears to look healthier in that photo. I wonder what was going on to make things change for her physically? The only way I can picture her guilty is either she started taking steroids to get back in shape and snapped, or she is very good at hiding her psychosis. With C.A. it was evident from the get go that she was a narcissist, liar, and exhibited outward signs of sociopathic behaviors. Of course we can all look at the family dynamics, and factor in environment as well as the nut does not fall far from the tree in C.A.'s case. This one puzzles me, I am more inclined to feel it was a moment of opportunity for someone that had been watching Kyron. Someone that knew the school did not call home if a child was absent, someone that lured him out somehow. It still bothers me that we know nothing on the electric project. Are there any monkey's here from that area that knows what exhibits were in that Science Fair?
What also bothers me is that they did not send out a questionnaire asking all of the staff, students, and attendees to write down what they were doing that morning at certain times being 8:00, 8:15, 8:20, etc. Sometimes you might see something or hear something but factor it as unimportant at the time, but it might be a viable clue. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 28, 2010, 03:08:52 PM Good Afternoon Monkeys and Guest! Darla on Blink's site, in the comments, there are a lot of comments, and it is the second article from the top.Someone posted on the last page about a break this week. Where is that message board? TIA Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Claycat on June 28, 2010, 03:12:39 PM Hi! To be fair, the excessive blinking on Desiree's part could be because she was crying and she may wear contacts. I know I've seen a photo of her with glasses. When I wore contacts and cried, my eyes would hurt.
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: seahorse on June 28, 2010, 03:33:24 PM Good Afternoon Monkeys and Guest! http://blinkoncrime.com/2010/06/23/new-clues-in-kyron-horman-search-fact-or-fiction-you-decide/comment-page-11/ Comment: 24 Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 28, 2010, 03:35:30 PM Hi! To be fair, the excessive blinking on Desiree's part could be because she was crying and she may wear contacts. I know I've seen a photo of her with glasses. When I wore contacts and cried, my eyes would hurt. That is so true, I wear contacts and when they are bothering me or something is in my eye I blink a lot.Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tamikosmom on June 28, 2010, 03:44:51 PM When the questionair is considered regarding the white pickup ... when the second polygraph is considered ... it would appear that LE is focusing to some extent on Kyron's stepmother. I cannot comprehend why LE is having such difficulty placing Terri and Kyron at the school on the morning of the day of the disappearance.
Janet ++++++++++ Police hope stepmom's photo will help spark more tips for Kyron Horman investigation Published: Friday, June 18, 2010, Kyron Horman's stepmother was the last known person to see the 7-year-old on the day that he disappeared, said Capt. Jason Gates, and authorities hope her photo might help jog the memories of other witnesses. The Multnomah County Sheriff's Office is distributing a flier showing photos of Terri Moulton Horman and the type of pickup she is thought to have driven on June 4, the day the second-grader disappeared from Skyline School. Sometimes in jogging peoples memories, sometimes it's the other things about that day or what was going on around them that will jog their memory with anything else they might have seen with regard to Kyron," Gates said. http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/police_issue_questionnaire_ask.html June 18, 2010 4:51 PM Kyron Horman Update: Cops Ask Public for Information about Stepmother, Believed to Have Last Seen Boy SALEM, Ore. (CBS/KOIN/AP) Investigators trying to find missing Oregon boy Kyron Horman are distributing a flier asking if anyone saw his stepmother near Skyline School on the day the 7-year-old vanished. The Multnomah County Sheriff's Office also wants to know if stepmother Terri Horman's white pickup truck was seen at or near the school on June 4 - the day of the disappearance. http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-20008192-504083.html Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 28, 2010, 04:09:16 PM I can't figure it out either Janet, hopefully there will be some closure soon, like Blink has suggested.
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Wyks on June 28, 2010, 04:15:25 PM Hi all, and thanks for your comments. <hugs>
Yes, Harry Oakes is the one who attempted to search for Lindsey Baum, and did find a trail. And was ignored and blocked by LE. And yes, Melissa did refuse his help, as she was supposedly taking advice only from LE. One reason that LE in that area don't like him much, try to block him, etc.. is because he has helped them in the past, and found who they could not. This has become a political/ego trip kind of thing for LE. They want to believe that they themselves can 'get er done', without any help, thank you very much. To save face, they have refused HO's help again and again. For those who poo-poo that, just read up awhile on what has gone on. This is exactly the attitude that LE had toward HO during the Lindsey search, and what they were relaying to Lindsey's mom, who believed them over HO. I realize there are some folks who don't think much of HO, his techniques, his manner, whatever the reasons might be. At this point in time, my focus is on Kyron and finding him, that's it. Whatever and whomever can help get that done is fine by me, politics and personal opinions aside. Kyron is what is important. I believe in HO. I believe that the politics/ego thing is very true. I've experienced the same with LE here in Nebraska, that mentality is everywhere, not just in Portland. I believe it can happen and so do many others. Am not saying all this to make believers out of each of you..... am saying this so that you'll open your eyes and look at what *could be* the truth. I believe that if given half a chance, HO may very likely be the one to bring Kyron out alive. And he has agreed to try. Many of us do believe that Kyron is still alive. Do I know that for fact? No. What I do know is that I and many others have a gut feeling that time is of the essence, a feeling of urgency. Which I don't believe we'd have if Kyron was not alive. HO can go in with his dog and find Kyron, alive or dead. His family on advice from the local LE has already refused HO once. If talked to again, they will likely want him to search for an alive Kyron, of course, and his use of all dogs may be an obstacle. (same as with Cindy Anthony, who refused Tim Miller's help because he mentioned the possible need for cadaver dogs as well....... she didn't want to go there. Same as Lindsey's mother -- from what I understand -- she didn't want to think of them using cadaver dogs). But the reality is........ all kinds of dogs are necessary at times. One of HO's ways of doing things is a 'stress search' of sorts. He explains it better on his site. Those dogs are trained to pick up signs of and alert for someone in distress or hurt. Another of HO's ways of doing things is to release the cadaver dogs, let them fan out. If/when one or more pick up a scent of death......... he sends in the search dogs to narrow down the search area. He explains things in this FAQ: http://www.k9sardog.com/faqs.html (http://www.k9sardog.com/faqs.html) Just some assorted thoughts, sorry if they were all over the place. No matter what, it's all for Kyron. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Claycat on June 28, 2010, 04:16:31 PM Man, someone tried to start a thread about that SAR guy, Harry Oakes, at WS, and they locked it up tight until they could verify it. I'm tired of this extreme censorship. (I just started visiting these forums again after several months. The censorship has gotten really bad at HFTM, too.) Is it bad here? I guess I will know if my post disappears!
They were reporting that he is starting his search today, and that the family won't give him Kyron's scent. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Claycat on June 28, 2010, 04:24:35 PM Wyks, I'm glad you encouraged Mr. Oakes to search. I think it is a very good idea. I hope he can do some good, but it will be hard without cooperation.
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 28, 2010, 04:35:35 PM Man, someone tried to start a thread about that SAR guy, Harry Oakes, at WS, and they locked it up tight until they could verify it. I'm tired of this extreme censorship. (I just started visiting these forums again after several months. The censorship has gotten really bad at HFTM, too.) Is it bad here? I guess I will know if my post disappears! It is great here and I don't think I've ever seen a post disappear here. I'm a member of WS, don't post there, and won't even bother to look over there anymore, unless absolutely necessary. Thank-you for that info, and Wyks thank-you so much for your post and Oakes. I would take any help available to me I don't see why a person wouldn't, unless I suppose the police have told the family not to, guess that is what it looks like.They were reporting that he is starting his search today, and that the family won't give him Kyron's scent. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: New Monkey on June 28, 2010, 04:48:47 PM Man, someone tried to start a thread about that SAR guy, Harry Oakes, at WS, and they locked it up tight until they could verify it. I'm tired of this extreme censorship. (I just started visiting these forums again after several months. The censorship has gotten really bad at HFTM, too.) Is it bad here? I guess I will know if my post disappears! What is HFTM? They were reporting that he is starting his search today, and that the family won't give him Kyron's scent. I've noticed on a couple of boards there is some censorship. It's annoying as heck! I absolutely do not believe this little guy is alive. :*( Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: seahorse on June 28, 2010, 04:49:05 PM OT
This woman hired Mr.Oakes to find her lost cat, what a great idea. http://www.facebook.com/pages/Kyron-Horman-Open-Discussion/113113938734246?ref=ts Snip...Are you kidding me that the family isn't interested in Mr. Oakes' help?! I hired him when my CAT went missing! Seriously! He and his dog came to Vancouver when my indoor-only cat "escaped" and went missing. And he was worth every cent of it - approx. $150.00. snip.. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tracygirl on June 28, 2010, 04:59:02 PM Obviously if the teacher did it or was involved it would be most likely be revenge or a sexually motivated crime. A teacher as a predator is not that uncommon.
What is Terri's motive? There is not a history of abuse or neglect. All of the history points to her being an involved loving step mother. As Newfie said, perhaps she snapped but this crime seems to involve a lot of planning, something that is not going to happen when a person snaps. As for the blinking etc... to know if it is something which is sign of any sort of negative behavior or guilt one would have to know the baseline of the person. Does this person normally blink or have exaggerated facial expressions? given the fact we don't know it is really hard to tell if these things point to anything at all. I just don't get the constant trying to put this on the step mom without looking at anyone else. I am getting the feeling everyone wants Terri to be at fault. I am not saying she didn't do this, I just cannot connect it logically. There could be so many different explanations for the truck, the cell phone, and whatever else is being reported by unconfirmed, unnamed sources. I just can't do that and will not do that. I cannot blame the family without solid facts, something I have yet to see. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Claycat on June 28, 2010, 05:00:17 PM Man, someone tried to start a thread about that SAR guy, Harry Oakes, at WS, and they locked it up tight until they could verify it. I'm tired of this extreme censorship. (I just started visiting these forums again after several months. The censorship has gotten really bad at HFTM, too.) Is it bad here? I guess I will know if my post disappears! What is HFTM? They were reporting that he is starting his search today, and that the family won't give him Kyron's scent. I've noticed on a couple of boards there is some censorship. It's annoying as heck! I absolutely do not believe this little guy is alive. :*( HFTM is Help Find the Missing. They have been a great resource, but they have become all bound up in censorship just like WS. It's very frustrating to post at either forum. You can't link a blog. You can't report a rumor. They won't accept anything that is not verified by mainstream news (like they don't make mistakes!). Eeeeek! Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tamikosmom on June 28, 2010, 05:00:51 PM I suppose the teacher could have done this, but I just don't think so. Now if I find out that the teacher has a connection to the family, either as a lover to either the step mom or dad, or is some kind of deranged individual out to get the family, than I might think there is a connection. Otherwise I just don't think so. What is terri's motive? Tracygirl An implusive action ... an impulisve action that could not be taken back ... required no motive. I sincerely believe IF Terry Horman was involved in the death of Kyron ... it was an impulsive action ... not premeditated. The premedidated wrongdoing would an attempt at a cover up. Could it be that Terri is covering up for another's wrongdoing encompassing the death of Kyron. The day prior to the reported disappearance of Kyron who did the little boy come in contact with? Janet Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tamikosmom on June 28, 2010, 05:13:58 PM Obviously if the teacher did it or was involved it would be most likely be revenge or a sexually motivated crime. A teacher as a predator is not that uncommon. What is Terri's motive? There is not a history of abuse or neglect. All of the history points to her being an involved loving step mother. As Newfie said, perhaps she snapped but this crime seems to involve a lot of planning, something that is not going to happen when a person snaps. As for the blinking etc... to know if it is something which is sign of any sort of negative behavior or guilt one would have to know the baseline of the person. Does this person normally blink or have exaggerated facial expressions? given the fact we don't know it is really hard to tell if these things point to anything at all. I just don't get the constant trying to put this on the step mom without looking at anyone else. I am getting the feeling everyone wants Terri to be at fault. I am not saying she didn't do this, I just cannot connect it logically. There could be so many different explanations for the truck, the cell phone, and whatever else is being reported by unconfirmed, unnamed sources. I just can't do that and will not do that. I cannot blame the family without solid facts, something I have yet to see. Terri does not have a history which would make her suspect in the disappearance of Kyron. I am almost positive that the teachers at Kyron's school do not a history which would make them suspect or ... they would not have been afforded positions of trust with our precious children. However ... it is imparative that Terri and the teachers as well as others who came into contact with Kyron on the day and the the days leading up to his disappearance are a focus of LE in the process of elimination. Justice for Kyron demands it. Janet Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: newfie on June 28, 2010, 05:15:39 PM Thanks again Wyks, can't wait for our smiley faces to come back. I agree, why not accept all the help you can get at this point. I feel LE is no closer to finding out what happened to Kyron than we are. Thinking outside the box is necessary in these situations once you have exhausted all of the other possibilities. Why would LE say we don't want anyone talking to anyone. I would understand if they had an idea who the perpetrator is, but I really think they do not know. They may have hunches and suspicions, but look at Halieghs' and Gabriels' case fpr example. These cases have gone cold. In order to catch the bad guys you have to willing to look at all avenues. I am not putting the Oregon LE down , they are fine people, but this is not your average garden variety snake. In the medical field an intern would not even think of doing brain surgery. Cute story about the cat, I wish I knew him when my cat disappeared for 4 days. I was frantic... my husband thought I was looney out there calling him for hours and swearing I heard him meowing. Eventually I found him, and I really did hear him meowing!
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: newfie on June 28, 2010, 05:19:13 PM I agree with you Janet. Who was Kyron in contact with over the last few days before he went missing?
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tamikosmom on June 28, 2010, 05:24:57 PM Step-mom's dad in "People": Terri Moulton Horman under scrutiny
Last Update: 1:03 pm PORTLAND -- Kyron Horman's photo was on the cover of 'People' for the second week in a row and the story that goes with it focuses on the attention that has been placed on his step-mother Terri Moulton. Since Kyron vanished three weeks ago, she has been singled out in a questionnaire sent to parents and staff of Skyline school. A lifelong friend described Terri Moulton's unhappiness with a second polygraph test. Moulton's father, Larry Moulton, 72, told 'People' matter-of-factly that "the finger points at stepmom, she's trying to be cooperative." He too said she has had two polygraphs, that police have taken her truck twice and questioned her several times, for up to six hours, several times. He also described his daughter as "really good with kids" and pointed to a Halloween outing to pumpkin patches with the family in costume. The People magazine cover story comes right after Kyron's mother and father sat down with KGW and answered some of the most commonly-asked questions, including why investigators had focused on Sauvie Island. However, Kyron's parents would not answer questions about Terri Moulton being given lie detector tests, and they said she would not be speaking to the media. Police scoured scores of questionnaires turned in by parents of Skyline Elementary School children, staff members and even delivery drivers for new clues last week as they tried to untangle the mystery of Kyron's disappearance. The questionaires contained several questions that were intended to help trigger people's memories about the day that the seven-year-old disappeared. TIP LINE: (503) 261-2847 Courtesy KGW.com http://www.kmtr.com/news/local/story/Step-moms-dad-in-People-Terri-Moulton-Horman/SMzlDil51Eu1IAOdlZ9BPg.cspx Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 28, 2010, 05:34:34 PM Thanks for the People magazine excerpt. How do we know if Terri is a loving mother? None of us know what was going on inside that house. There could be abuse and who knows what else was going on. Just because she was his step mother doesn't mean she loves Kyron, for all we know maybe she doesn't.
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Wyks on June 28, 2010, 05:40:58 PM For those not understanding the censorship at other places, one reason is because many feel this is a search and recover... Kyron alive. There is a sense of urgency, needing to move quickly in and out, of certain areas. The search area is not to be given out ahead of time on an open board. No need to alert anyone to that, ya know what I mean? That could very well be the main reason for some of the censorship. There needs to be communication between all, yes, but not where the public can read.
In the meantime.... what can we do? Send power thoughts to those searching, prayers, etc. Focusing positive thoughts together toward Portland, can actually give each one a more determined focus on what they are doing. Here's a candlesite for Kyron, lighting candles is good too. :) I think he's alive and sending out messages to the universe or whatever, to help those trying to find him. We can help by thinking of Kyron, picturing him in your mind, and say to him.... 'hold on Kyron, help is coming! Be strong, don't ever give up! You'll soon be in Desiree's arms! You'll soon have your glasses back so you can see!'.. (things like that... power thoughts directly to Kyron.) (we are focusing on Desiree as being the one who Kyron will likely want to run to, at the moment. Even IF Terri and whoever had nothing to do with whatever happened). http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=Kyron (http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=Kyron) Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tracygirl on June 28, 2010, 05:46:00 PM Obviously if the teacher did it or was involved it would be most likely be revenge or a sexually motivated crime. A teacher as a predator is not that uncommon. What is Terri's motive? There is not a history of abuse or neglect. All of the history points to her being an involved loving step mother. As Newfie said, perhaps she snapped but this crime seems to involve a lot of planning, something that is not going to happen when a person snaps. As for the blinking etc... to know if it is something which is sign of any sort of negative behavior or guilt one would have to know the baseline of the person. Does this person normally blink or have exaggerated facial expressions? given the fact we don't know it is really hard to tell if these things point to anything at all. I just don't get the constant trying to put this on the step mom without looking at anyone else. I am getting the feeling everyone wants Terri to be at fault. I am not saying she didn't do this, I just cannot connect it logically. There could be so many different explanations for the truck, the cell phone, and whatever else is being reported by unconfirmed, unnamed sources. I just can't do that and will not do that. I cannot blame the family without solid facts, something I have yet to see. Terri does not have a history which would make her suspect in the disappearance of Kyron. I am almost positive that the teachers at Kyron's school do not a history which would make them suspect or ... they would not have been afforded positions of trust with our precious children. However ... it is imparative that Terri and the teachers as well as others who came into contact with Kyron on the day and the the days leading up to his disappearance are a focus of LE in the process of elimination. Justice for Kyron demands it. Janet Janet, The teacher may not have been caught so no record would show. When you go through the hiring process for a teachers position, there is no way to know what is in someones personal backround or their preferences other then criminal backround and if there has been no arrest, there would be no record. We don't know anything about her other then what we can figure out easily such as she is not married. The whole theory with Terri involves a lot of planning, example telling the teacher about a doctors appointment to hopefully throw her off, walking around the fair so people will see her, posting pics of the project to show how involved she is in his life. That is premeditated so if she snapped due to steroids or whatever has been decided, and took Kyron, then she snapped after premeditation? She would have to be completely psychotic to have planned this. And would someone so crazy to have killed a child they cared for, would they stand in silence right now? To me it stands to reason they would be on camera making excuses or pointing the finger, example Melissa Huckaby and John Gardner, both got to reporters and told either their version of the truth of a story to point away from them. Terri has stays silent and it is my belief that is not a sign of a guilty person, especially if the attention or suspicion is on them. Also, why would Terri have agreed to take a 2nd poly if she was guilty? If she is guilty, every second for her must be covering her tracks, trying to put this onto some else, pretending she is frantic, of course she is with the people that know her the most, could she do that without them knowing or figuring out she is acting crazy? Personally I hope LE have given a poly to everyone at the school that day, from administrators, teachers, clerical, janitorial, parents, volunteers etc... They also need to have other searchers come in and look for this child. This is not time for egos. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 28, 2010, 05:46:18 PM What are you thinking Wyks, what makes you think he is alive, and what purpose was there in doing this to Kyron?
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tracygirl on June 28, 2010, 05:50:27 PM Thanks for the People magazine excerpt. How do we know if Terri is a loving mother? None of us know what was going on inside that house. There could be abuse and who knows what else was going on. Just because she was his step mother doesn't mean she loves Kyron, for all we know maybe she doesn't. NoRose you are sort of making my point. We don't know either way. Just because she was raising him doesn't mean she loved him just as because she is the step mom doesn't mean she did this. We just don't know. I would guess the part in the interview that Kaine said we are the only spokes person for us, I would guess that was because of the people interview. Has anyone read the entire interview to know make sure nothing is being quoted out of context? I know, I am a PIA over that stuff, lol. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 28, 2010, 05:53:50 PM I don't have the new issue yet of People Magazine, I have not seen the whole article just the little that has been posted.
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tracygirl on June 28, 2010, 05:55:58 PM He will no doubt want his mama...Oh gosh Wykes I hope you are right. What a wonderful thing to have this child be found alive. I want nothing more then that prayer answered, not for me, but for this family. I cannot imagine the horror of not knowing where my child was, Not knowing if he was alive and if so, if he was in pain or being hurt. That must be the worse kind of hell, just the worse.
Maybe the missing child chip is not such a bad idea. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Wyks on June 28, 2010, 06:02:55 PM What are you thinking Wyks, what makes you think he is alive, and what purpose was there in doing this to Kyron? The reason I and many others think he is alive is the complete sense of urgency that has come over many of us. From the start I've had this sneaking feeling the school has not been entirely searched, as many of you have said too. Others have felt this way as well. There could be a little crawl space, could be anywhere inside, hidden. Either by accident or put there, I dunno. The more I thought of this, the more 'urgent' the feeling became that time is of the essence. Whether at the school, or taken away somewhere else, the feeling remains that he is alive. I can't really explain it better than that. Astrologers at WS feel that he has passed. And what they say does make sense. There are psychics who are 'receiving messages' from Kyron, from others, in various forms, that suggest he is still alive. That searchers passed 'over' him and didn't see him or hear him. That he wants/needs them to come back. Not just one psychic, and not in just one form of their being contacted by him. I dunno how they do what they do or get what they get. It's all a mystery to me. I just know the feeling in my gut when it feels right. And what the psychics are getting is just that. With so many, it has to mean something. I've moved away from trying to figure out the who, when, what, why... and am trying to focus on the where. Where is Kyron? Let's find him and get him to safety if still alive, or respectfully recover his remains if not. Time enough later on to focus on the rest. We aren't getting anything of value right now anyway, not from LE or the family or anyone else, in trying to sort thru facts. Cuz just as 'we think' they've given us something, they retract that info, or backpedal. We've just been going in circles. So I don't have an answer yet, Rosie, not about why this happened or who or any of that. I think LE knows, I think some in the family knows, and none are talking. To the best of our knowledge, Kyron went into that school that morning, and was not seen leaving. IMO, they need to go back to the beginning and start all over. Woooooooot!! Our avatars and icons!!! ::MonkeyDance:: Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: New Monkey on June 28, 2010, 06:05:58 PM I didn't mean to come across harshly. I pray for Kyron each night. I just have a bad feeling about this whole thing.
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 28, 2010, 06:07:57 PM If he were in some type of cubby hole at the school, could he still be alive after all this time? Did they not search the school from top to bottom? I'm going to guess they did, or at least I sure hope they did. I don't know, my feeling is he isn't alive, but one never knows sometimes a miracle happens. ::MonkeyAngel::
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 28, 2010, 06:08:39 PM I didn't mean to come across harshly. I pray for Kyron each night. I just have a bad feeling about this whole thing. You don't come across harshly. I have had a bad feeling about all this as well.Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tamikosmom on June 28, 2010, 06:15:34 PM Thanks for the People magazine excerpt. How do we know if Terri is a loving mother? None of us know what was going on inside that house. There could be abuse and who knows what else was going on. Just because she was his step mother doesn't mean she loves Kyron, for all we know maybe she doesn't. no rose There are reasons that LE has directed focus on Terri Horman. Is it that Terri's story does does not add up. If over the weekend an impulsive action by somebody close to Kyron took his life ... there was time to plan a coverup ... a coverup that would imply he went missing after being left at school. Is it just a cooincidence that on a morning that Kyron does not take the school bus but ... driven to school by his stepmom ... that he goes missing? Was Kyron positively identified as being at the school on the morning he disappeared? Janet Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 28, 2010, 06:25:25 PM Thanks for the People magazine excerpt. How do we know if Terri is a loving mother? None of us know what was going on inside that house. There could be abuse and who knows what else was going on. Just because she was his step mother doesn't mean she loves Kyron, for all we know maybe she doesn't. no rose There are reasons that LE has directed focus on Terri Horman. Is it that Terri's story does does not add up. If over the weekend an impulsive action by somebody close to Kyron took his life ... there was time to plan a coverup ... a coverup that would imply he went missing after being left at school. Is it just a cooincidence that on a morning that Kyron does not take the school bus but ... driven to school by his stepmom ... that he goes missing? Was Kyron positively identified as being at the school on the morning he disappeared? Janet Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tamikosmom on June 28, 2010, 06:25:54 PM Obviously if the teacher did it or was involved it would be most likely be revenge or a sexually motivated crime. A teacher as a predator is not that uncommon. What is Terri's motive? There is not a history of abuse or neglect. All of the history points to her being an involved loving step mother. As Newfie said, perhaps she snapped but this crime seems to involve a lot of planning, something that is not going to happen when a person snaps. As for the blinking etc... to know if it is something which is sign of any sort of negative behavior or guilt one would have to know the baseline of the person. Does this person normally blink or have exaggerated facial expressions? given the fact we don't know it is really hard to tell if these things point to anything at all. I just don't get the constant trying to put this on the step mom without looking at anyone else. I am getting the feeling everyone wants Terri to be at fault. I am not saying she didn't do this, I just cannot connect it logically. There could be so many different explanations for the truck, the cell phone, and whatever else is being reported by unconfirmed, unnamed sources. I just can't do that and will not do that. I cannot blame the family without solid facts, something I have yet to see. Terri does not have a history which would make her suspect in the disappearance of Kyron. I am almost positive that the teachers at Kyron's school do not a history which would make them suspect or ... they would not have been afforded positions of trust with our precious children. However ... it is imparative that Terri and the teachers as well as others who came into contact with Kyron on the day and the the days leading up to his disappearance are a focus of LE in the process of elimination. Justice for Kyron demands it. Janet Janet, The teacher may not have been caught so no record would show. When you go through the hiring process for a teachers position, there is no way to know what is in someones personal backround or their preferences other then criminal backround and if there has been no arrest, there would be no record. We don't know anything about her other then what we can figure out easily such as she is not married. The whole theory with Terri involves a lot of planning, example telling the teacher about a doctors appointment to hopefully throw her off, walking around the fair so people will see her, posting pics of the project to show how involved she is in his life. That is premeditated so if she snapped due to steroids or whatever has been decided, and took Kyron, then she snapped after premeditation? She would have to be completely psychotic to have planned this. And would someone so crazy to have killed a child they cared for, would they stand in silence right now? To me it stands to reason they would be on camera making excuses or pointing the finger, example Melissa Huckaby and John Gardner, both got to reporters and told either their version of the truth of a story to point away from them. Terri has stays silent and it is my belief that is not a sign of a guilty person, especially if the attention or suspicion is on them. Also, why would Terri have agreed to take a 2nd poly if she was guilty? If she is guilty, every second for her must be covering her tracks, trying to put this onto some else, pretending she is frantic, of course she is with the people that know her the most, could she do that without them knowing or figuring out she is acting crazy? Personally I hope LE have given a poly to everyone at the school that day, from administrators, teachers, clerical, janitorial, parents, volunteers etc... They also need to have other searchers come in and look for this child. This is not time for egos. I did say "known history" in regards to the character of teachers as well as "known history" in regards to Terri's character. Unless a witness is a fly on the wall nobody knows the actual dynamics within any household. I do not comprehend why Terri Horman would be given a pass in regards to speculation while teachers are fair game. Janet Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Wyks on June 28, 2010, 06:27:47 PM TG....
Going back for a minute on your question re the teacher. Yesssss very hinky, IMO. As I posted upthread sometime back... Several teachers have been mentioned in reports by LE and in the media, and I think that these different teachers are being mixed up and perhaps have become ONE in the eyes of many. But remember... they didn't use names but there was mentioned early on: a teacher, another teacher, two teachers, substitute teacher, and Kyron's teacher. Each of these had something reported about them. Yet it seems that now, three weeks later, each of these have morphed into THE teacher, Mrs. Porter. Which honestly cannot be, not everything said about the 'other' teachers can be attributed back to just one teacher, Mrs. Porter. I don't have the time at the moment, perhaps later on, to go back to early reports and pull out what was said about or by each one of these teachers. Would make for an interesting project for anyone so inclined to do that. For example, there's the report about what Terri said to a teacher in the crowded gym. Not Kyron's teacher. She had supposedly seen (but didn't talk with) Mrs. Porter very early on in the classroom as they first got there. Then at another point saw and spoke with 'another' teacher in the crowded gym. And etc. As for what we do know about Mrs. Porter herself, yes that is hinky. But how many teachers DID Terri talk with and/or see that morning? And were they all teachers or teacher's aides, parent chaperones, etc.? Which of these various teachers/aides whatever is the one Terri supposedly gave the paper to? It wasn't Mrs. Porter, because Terri supposedly did not speak with her that morning, just 'saw her'. It wasn't the aide helping Mrs Porter who sounded the first alarm that morning with 'oh no, there's only 5, where's Kyron?' (something to that effect).... which means at some point, Kyron made 6 in a group. Had Terri talked with either of these two people, they likely would have thought Kyron was off somewhere with Terri at the appt. Neither of these seemed to know where Kyron was. Which tells me that it was 'another' teacher, aide, chaperone, that Terri told the info to that morning. Yet still......... Mrs. Porter didn't seem to have that knowledge, but made a guess he was in the bathroom or getting a drink. IMO, her red flags *should have* gone down right then, yet didn't seem to. Why not? Seems it would be HER ultimate responsibility at that moment with Kyron NOT in his seat, to find out exactly where he was. As so many of you have already said. Not guess about it. And IMO, that's when Mrs. Porter dropped the ball. Could it mean she was just distracted, not doing her job of sending 2 kids to the bathroom etc? Yeah, could be. Could it mean that she, Mrs. Porter, might be an accomplice to whomever spirited Kyron away? Yeah, could be. We dunno and won't til LE gives out more factual info on what they do know about what happened that morning. Could start with having each teacher, aide, parent who had contact with Terri that morning tell the public what they know. And yet......... they aren't. Which could be because it's all part of what LE has to hold close to the vest. All in IMO. Frustrating and confusing. Which is one reason I just cannot keep going in circles with it all. Not right now anyway. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Wyks on June 28, 2010, 06:35:09 PM I did say "known history" in regards to the character of teachers as well as "known history" in regards to Terri's character. Unless a witness is a fly on the wall nobody knows the actual dynamics within any household. I do not comprehend why Terri Horman would be given a pass in regards to speculation while teachers are fair game. Janet Janet, am reading back up thru the thread, which I ought not do, I need to go back and read forward. This caught my eye tho. I agree with you. Seems to me that no one need be given a pass. We truly don't have much factual info to go on (that hasn't been backpedaled on), to be giving a pass to anyone. IMO. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: New Monkey on June 28, 2010, 06:35:14 PM I think if the teacher thought Kyron had an appointment that day she likely thought TH and Kyron forgot his things and didn't think much more of it.
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 28, 2010, 06:40:05 PM I think if the teacher thought Kyron had an appointment that day she likely thought TH and Kyron forgot his things and didn't think much more of it. Thank-you, that would clear that up in my head, she would have just thought he had forgotten his things. But what about the teacher thinking he was in the bathroom? If it was hectic at the science fair, I find it odd one didn't see more people in the picture looking around in the background.Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: melisb on June 28, 2010, 06:45:12 PM Wyks I'm so glad you've come back and with a fire lit!!!! I know you guys don't know me but I listen and watch very carefully to everything ya'll say and appreciate it totally. Any comment good and bad I don't care. You can just tell what kind of site is here by the admins and poster's (Blink also) that stay around. ALL of you are kind, loving, give the shirt off your back, down to earth people and I trully wish all you the best. Anytime I'm off my rocker and need straightening out ya'll just say so!
Wyks I know things pile up too much and you have to step away to breathe but know that the world is so much a better place with your help and voice! Back to my corner now...what do ya'll think...1. SM 2. teacher 3. SO with and ultimate opportunity 4. school employee 5. ????? Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: New Monkey on June 28, 2010, 06:45:25 PM I think if the teacher thought Kyron had an appointment that day she likely thought TH and Kyron forgot his things and didn't think much more of it. Thank-you, that would clear that up in my head, she would have just thought he had forgotten his things. But what about the teacher thinking he was in the bathroom? If it was hectic at the science fair, I find it odd one didn't see more people in the picture looking around in the background.I will admit I pretty much have my mind set on one particular suspect and I can't shake it. There hasn't been anything brought forward that gave me pause. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: New Monkey on June 28, 2010, 06:48:39 PM Wyks I'm so glad you've come back and with a fire lit!!!! I know you guys don't know me but I listen and watch very carefully to everything ya'll say and appreciate it totally. Any comment good and bad I don't care. You can just tell what kind of site is here by the admins and poster's (Blink also) that stay around. ALL of you are kind, loving, give the shirt off your back, down to earth people and I trully wish all you the best. Anytime I'm off my rocker and need straightening out ya'll just say so! The path of least resistance leads me to TH. I absolutely do not believe this was a circumstance of Kyron being in the wrong place at the wrong time.Wyks I know things pile up too much and you have to step away to breathe but know that the world is so much a better place with your help and voice! Back to my corner now...what do ya'll think...1. SM 2. teacher 3. SO with and ultimate opportunity 4. school employee 5. ????? Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 28, 2010, 06:49:07 PM Wyks I'm so glad you've come back and with a fire lit!!!! I know you guys don't know me but I listen and watch very carefully to everything ya'll say and appreciate it totally. Any comment good and bad I don't care. You can just tell what kind of site is here by the admins and poster's (Blink also) that stay around. ALL of you are kind, loving, give the shirt off your back, down to earth people and I trully wish all you the best. Anytime I'm off my rocker and need straightening out ya'll just say so! ::MonkeyAngel:: Looks like a real good list to me, number 5 I'm not sure, a neighbor maybe?Wyks I know things pile up too much and you have to step away to breathe but know that the world is so much a better place with your help and voice! Back to my corner now...what do ya'll think...1. SM 2. teacher 3. SO with and ultimate opportunity 4. school employee 5. ????? Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Wyks on June 28, 2010, 06:50:33 PM Just have to mention that what may have happened to Kyron *could be* as simple as him having gone to find that electric project that Tanner said Kyron had mentioned. Maybe he didn't find it (if it even exists) and maybe he went exploring instead. Fell into something somewhere, or got hurt. I can see a kid wandering down the hallway, seeing perhaps an open door (like the boiler room in the basement) that usually isn't open/unlocked and deciding to have a lil peek.
This wouldn't involve a perp at all. If he went missing inside the school without drawing the attention of any of the staff, parents or any other adult, it would become a matter of the school covering their ass..sets. Which it seems they are doing anyway. But it wouldn't explain the hinky feeling that many are getting re Terri. Of course, the longer it goes without any sign of him at the school kind of makes this unlikely... unless he fell in a hole or climbed into something somewhere/somehow and/or was hurt fatally injured, and LE did an absolute sloppy job of searching every inch of that school. Which the more I hear of them, the more I believe they did just that. Sooooooo many possibilities. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 28, 2010, 06:50:36 PM I think if the teacher thought Kyron had an appointment that day she likely thought TH and Kyron forgot his things and didn't think much more of it. Thank-you, that would clear that up in my head, she would have just thought he had forgotten his things. But what about the teacher thinking he was in the bathroom? If it was hectic at the science fair, I find it odd one didn't see more people in the picture looking around in the background.I will admit I pretty much have my mind set on one particular suspect and I can't shake it. There hasn't been anything brought forward that gave me pause. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: New Monkey on June 28, 2010, 06:59:39 PM Just have to mention that what may have happened to Kyron *could be* as simple as him having gone to find that electric project that Tanner said Kyron had mentioned. Maybe he didn't find it (if it even exists) and maybe he went exploring instead. Fell into something somewhere, or got hurt. I can see a kid wandering down the hallway, seeing perhaps an open door (like the boiler room in the basement) that usually isn't open/unlocked and deciding to have a lil peek. The thing about T saying Kyron wanted to go see the "cool electric one" <--- that may be a paraphrase, I'm not saying that's exactly what was said. . . had me wondering. If I was a kid and one of my friends was talking about a cool project, my response would be, "Let's go!". I'm surprised T didn't want to go see it as well. The other thing that has me thinking Kyron didn't go poking around is his bio mother said he isn't very adventuresome and is timid. This wouldn't involve a perp at all. If he went missing inside the school without drawing the attention of any of the staff, parents or any other adult, it would become a matter of the school covering their ass..sets. Which it seems they are doing anyway. But it wouldn't explain the hinky feeling that many are getting re Terri. Of course, the longer it goes without any sign of him at the school kind of makes this unlikely... unless he fell in a hole or climbed into something somewhere/somehow and/or was hurt fatally injured, and LE did an absolute sloppy job of searching every inch of that school. Which the more I hear of them, the more I believe they did just that. Sooooooo many possibilities. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Wyks on June 28, 2010, 07:00:37 PM Terri does not have a history which would make her suspect in the disappearance of Kyron. I am almost positive that the teachers at Kyron's school do not a history which would make them suspect or ... they would not have been afforded positions of trust with our precious children. However ... it is imparative that Terri and the teachers as well as others who came into contact with Kyron on the day and the the days leading up to his disappearance are a focus of LE in the process of elimination. Justice for Kyron demands it. Janet <bolded by me> Re the bolded part.... I know, right? One would think so anyway.... But please don't be too positive about that just quite yet. Because there may be info that isn't privy to the general public yet, that might just surprise the heck out of us. Ya know? All is not as it seems. We as the public are being led to believe things are this way and that. LE has some kind of strategic reason for doing what they are doing. Am thinking that most of our jaws are gonna hit the floor over a great deal, when all is said and done. ::MonkeyConfused:: Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: NewfieMonkey on June 28, 2010, 07:07:39 PM Everyone knows I'm really pro-LE right?! But the longer this goes on without any info ... and it seems to me the local and national press are losing interest ... I get a bad feeling.
I'm truly wondering if they didn't focus on SM too soon and for too long ... and now they have squat ... back at square one? ... And Wyks ... I too have had that feeling since I read this story. Search that school and search and search again! And from sitting on the outside looking in ... I wouldn't be satisfied as a parent until I went and searched every square inch of the place personally. Okay - Back to regularly scheduled programming - (and I'm so glad the avis are back :) Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Wyks on June 28, 2010, 07:09:47 PM Thanks again Wyks, can't wait for our smiley faces to come back. I agree, why not accept all the help you can get at this point. I feel LE is no closer to finding out what happened to Kyron than we are. Thinking outside the box is necessary in these situations once you have exhausted all of the other possibilities. Why would LE say we don't want anyone talking to anyone. I would understand if they had an idea who the perpetrator is, but I really think they do not know. They may have hunches and suspicions, but look at Halieghs' and Gabriels' case fpr example. These cases have gone cold. In order to catch the bad guys you have to willing to look at all avenues. I am not putting the Oregon LE down , they are fine people, but this is not your average garden variety snake. In the medical field an intern would not even think of doing brain surgery. Cute story about the cat, I wish I knew him when my cat disappeared for 4 days. I was frantic... my husband thought I was looney out there calling him for hours and swearing I heard him meowing. Eventually I found him, and I really did hear him meowing! I get where you're coming from, Newfie. And yes, sometimes ya just gotta think outside the box, especially in cases like this that are sooooo confusing at face value. I can think of a few reasons why LE would say don't talk to anyone. For example, in the case of an abduction gone wrong or something, with or without the aide of someone in the family. And thinking of that just makes me think of other scenarios as well. Have you read Blink's site yet? Some good possibilities over there, that will make one sit up and think outside the box, that's for sure. And then there are the comments underneath. lol http://blinkoncrime.com/2010/06/23/new-clues-in-kyron-horman-search-fact-or-fiction-you-decide/ (http://blinkoncrime.com/2010/06/23/new-clues-in-kyron-horman-search-fact-or-fiction-you-decide/) Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: melisb on June 28, 2010, 07:13:04 PM 29.SS says:
June 28, 2010 at 5:07 pm Brian Pumala studying to be an electrican; Kyron goes missing after supposedly stating he was going to see the cool electric project - did anyone else connect that? It is why I mention it specifically in the piece. B ::MonkeyDance:: ::piggy:: OOOOOhh! I did it, I brought something over!!!! Yay for the computer dummy ME! Okay, hypothetically, SM has affair breaks it off and to hurt her marriage this guy says, "Hey Kyron you wanna go see the cool electric project down there with me", he just doesn't seem like a loose cannon to me. What do you think. I know B does not write/post without reason so there must be a tie in. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Wyks on June 28, 2010, 07:14:26 PM He will no doubt want his mama...Oh gosh Wykes I hope you are right. What a wonderful thing to have this child be found alive. I want nothing more then that prayer answered, not for me, but for this family. I cannot imagine the horror of not knowing where my child was, Not knowing if he was alive and if so, if he was in pain or being hurt. That must be the worse kind of hell, just the worse. Maybe the missing child chip is not such a bad idea. Am hoping so with every fibre of my being, TG. ::piggy:: Am visualizing the moment of rescue of an alive, albeit hungry and thirsty Kyron. We can hold to that hope, cuz if alive, that will send power thoughts to him to hang on, help is coming. Won't do any harm in any case. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Wyks on June 28, 2010, 07:16:39 PM If he were in some type of cubby hole at the school, could he still be alive after all this time? Did they not search the school from top to bottom? I'm going to guess they did, or at least I sure hope they did. I don't know, my feeling is he isn't alive, but one never knows sometimes a miracle happens. ::MonkeyAngel:: Dunno Rosie. One message that a psychic type person received from Kyron, is that he is alive, able to drink water, eat mud. ::MonkeyEek:: Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Heart on June 28, 2010, 07:17:32 PM Dad In Missing Boy Case Staying Elsewhere
http://www.kptv.com/news/24074276/detail.html Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Starlit on June 28, 2010, 07:18:18 PM Dad In Missing Boy Case Staying Elsewhere
POSTED: 3:37 pm PDT June 28, 2010 facebookdel.icio.usbuzzdiggreddit›› Email›› PrintPORTLAND, Ore. -- The father of missing 7-year-old boy Kyron Horman is staying elsewhere this week after taking the daughter he has raised with Kyron's stepmother out of their home. Friends of the Horman family told FOX 12 that police encouraged Kaine Horman to take the couple's 18-month-old daughter and stay at a different location. Investigators would not confirm that information Monday. It has been 25 days since Kyron was last seen at Skyline School in northwest Portland. Police have said his stepmother, Terri Horman, was the last person to see Kyron when she took him to an early-morning science fair at the school. Detectives have since passed out fliers with photos of Terri Horman and her truck in hopes that it would generate tips from people who saw her that day. But investigators have not called her a suspect or a person of interest. Her father, Larry Moulton, is visiting Terri Horman and staying at her northwest Portland house to give her support. He confirmed that Terri Horman's 18-month-old daughter was staying away from the house at a separate location. "It's a very difficult time and I'm just here to support my daughter," Moulton said. "We'll leave it at that." In a recent article in People magazine, Larry Moulton was quoted as saying there was a "fifty-fifty chance" that Terri Horman would be arrested in the case. But on Monday, Moulton said some of his statements were twisted around. Kyron's biological parents spoke candidly about the boy's disappearance Friday in an interview with FOX 12 reporter Jamie Wilson. They said their sense of normalcy is gone with Kyron still missing. "Every day for us, Kyron was in it. And he is in it. And it's just in a different capacity right now," Kaine Horman said during the interview. "That's what makes it hard. Every day is not a normal day." When reached for comment Monday, Kaine Horman said he was spending the day with investigators. http://www.kptv.com/news/24074276/detail.html Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: melisb on June 28, 2010, 07:18:46 PM Everyone knows I'm really pro-LE right?! But the longer this goes on without any info ... and it seems to me the local and national press are losing interest ... I get a bad feeling. I'm truly wondering if they didn't focus on SM too soon and for too long ... and now they have squat ... back at square one? ... And Wyks ... I too have had that feeling since I read this story. Search that school and search and search again! And from sitting on the outside looking in ... I wouldn't be satisfied as a parent until I went and searched every square inch of the place personally. Okay - Back to regularly scheduled programming - Being an overprotective Mama anyhow they would've had to pull me outta that school in a straight jacket!!! After that Le girl was found in her own building where she worked little Kyron would fit anywhere. I don't get these parents on tv. Who is rational, who isn't out calling their childs name day and night riding down the road. I don't get these people. Don't they know it doesn't look good no matter what LE or a lawyer says? (and I'm so glad the avis are back :) Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tracygirl on June 28, 2010, 07:31:49 PM Obviously if the teacher did it or was involved it would be most likely be revenge or a sexually motivated crime. A teacher as a predator is not that uncommon. What is Terri's motive? There is not a history of abuse or neglect. All of the history points to her being an involved loving step mother. As Newfie said, perhaps she snapped but this crime seems to involve a lot of planning, something that is not going to happen when a person snaps. As for the blinking etc... to know if it is something which is sign of any sort of negative behavior or guilt one would have to know the baseline of the person. Does this person normally blink or have exaggerated facial expressions? given the fact we don't know it is really hard to tell if these things point to anything at all. I just don't get the constant trying to put this on the step mom without looking at anyone else. I am getting the feeling everyone wants Terri to be at fault. I am not saying she didn't do this, I just cannot connect it logically. There could be so many different explanations for the truck, the cell phone, and whatever else is being reported by unconfirmed, unnamed sources. I just can't do that and will not do that. I cannot blame the family without solid facts, something I have yet to see. Terri does not have a history which would make her suspect in the disappearance of Kyron. I am almost positive that the teachers at Kyron's school do not a history which would make them suspect or ... they would not have been afforded positions of trust with our precious children. However ... it is imparative that Terri and the teachers as well as others who came into contact with Kyron on the day and the the days leading up to his disappearance are a focus of LE in the process of elimination. Justice for Kyron demands it. Janet Janet, The teacher may not have been caught so no record would show. When you go through the hiring process for a teachers position, there is no way to know what is in someones personal backround or their preferences other then criminal backround and if there has been no arrest, there would be no record. We don't know anything about her other then what we can figure out easily such as she is not married. The whole theory with Terri involves a lot of planning, example telling the teacher about a doctors appointment to hopefully throw her off, walking around the fair so people will see her, posting pics of the project to show how involved she is in his life. That is premeditated so if she snapped due to steroids or whatever has been decided, and took Kyron, then she snapped after premeditation? She would have to be completely psychotic to have planned this. And would someone so crazy to have killed a child they cared for, would they stand in silence right now? To me it stands to reason they would be on camera making excuses or pointing the finger, example Melissa Huckaby and John Gardner, both got to reporters and told either their version of the truth of a story to point away from them. Terri has stays silent and it is my belief that is not a sign of a guilty person, especially if the attention or suspicion is on them. Also, why would Terri have agreed to take a 2nd poly if she was guilty? If she is guilty, every second for her must be covering her tracks, trying to put this onto some else, pretending she is frantic, of course she is with the people that know her the most, could she do that without them knowing or figuring out she is acting crazy? Personally I hope LE have given a poly to everyone at the school that day, from administrators, teachers, clerical, janitorial, parents, volunteers etc... They also need to have other searchers come in and look for this child. This is not time for egos. I did say "known history" in regards to the character of teachers as well as "known history" in regards to Terri's character. Unless a witness is a fly on the wall nobody knows the actual dynamics within any household. I do not comprehend why Terri Horman would be given a pass in regards to speculation while teachers are fair game. Janet Oh gosh Terri is not been given a free pass at all. I have my doubts as well about her, but I just keep coming back to most of my doubts are because of rumors or speculation. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Heart on June 28, 2010, 07:33:09 PM Tonight on Larry King Live!
hree weeks after 7-year old Kyron Horman went missing, police still do not know where the boy is. Does his step-mom know something that could help find him? It’s a story that has the entire country wondering what happened to Kyron http://larrykinglive.blogs.cnn.com/2010/06/28/tonight-on-larry-king-live-124/ Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 28, 2010, 07:35:53 PM Dad In Missing Boy Case Staying Elsewhere Thank-you, interesting development, but not surprising.http://www.kptv.com/news/24074276/detail.html Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: New Monkey on June 28, 2010, 07:45:20 PM Dad In Missing Boy Case Staying Elsewhere Thank-you, interesting development, but not surprising.http://www.kptv.com/news/24074276/detail.html Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Wyks on June 28, 2010, 07:47:11 PM Wyks I'm so glad you've come back and with a fire lit!!!! I know you guys don't know me but I listen and watch very carefully to everything ya'll say and appreciate it totally. Any comment good and bad I don't care. You can just tell what kind of site is here by the admins and poster's (Blink also) that stay around. ALL of you are kind, loving, give the shirt off your back, down to earth people and I trully wish all you the best. Anytime I'm off my rocker and need straightening out ya'll just say so! Wyks I know things pile up too much and you have to step away to breathe but know that the world is so much a better place with your help and voice! Back to my corner now...what do ya'll think...1. SM 2. teacher 3. SO with and ultimate opportunity 4. school employee 5. ????? Thanks Melisb! This is what lit my fire again: The pic below that Kyron drew and the video below that, which a psychic person says she was led to by Kyron. Amazing how similiar they are! There's an angel near the end that reminds me a great deal of Desiree, his mama. Then read the lyrics to the song following the video. I DO so believe that Kyron is calling out to all of us (as Angels) to help him. (http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq117/Wyks_/Kyron/Kyron_Sun_KGWnews.jpg) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xI4Vupq9yWs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xI4Vupq9yWs) Calling All Angels ~ by Train I need a sign to let me know you're here All of these lines are being crossed over the atmosphere I need to know that things are gonna look up 'Cause I feel us drowning in a sea spilled from a cup When there is no place safe and no safe place to put my head When you feel the world shake from the words that are said [Chorus:] And I'm calling all angels I'm calling all you angels I won't give up if you dont give up [Reapeat x4] I need a sign to let me know you're here 'Cause my TV set just keeps it all from being clear I want a reason for the way things have to be I need a hand to help build up some kind of hope inside of me [Chorus] When children have to play inside so they don't disappear And private eyes solve marriage lies cause we don't talk for years And futbol teams are kissing Queens and losing sight of having dreams In a world that what we want is only what we want until it's ours [Chorus x2] Calling all you angels [Repeat till fade] Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 28, 2010, 07:52:08 PM Dad In Missing Boy Case Staying Elsewhere Thank-you, interesting development, but not surprising.http://www.kptv.com/news/24074276/detail.html Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: melisb on June 28, 2010, 07:57:10 PM I watched/listened to that song the first time I saw it suggested and I kid u not I probably went through half a box of kleenex. Dear God what is happening to our children. They are not disposable, put here to be hurt, abused, neglected or thrown away. I dunno, looks like things might be gettin bad at the Horman home. SM looks like if they arrested her she might crack and tell something even if not how but why or whom. Please let this baby be okay or at least come home to rest.
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tracygirl on June 28, 2010, 08:01:29 PM Dad In Missing Boy Case Staying Elsewhere http://www.kptv.com/news/24074276/detail.html Oh man... This is the type of thing that would lead me to believe something happened that involved Terri. If this lady did this to this little boy or was involved with someone that put him at risk? She gets nothing more from me. Gloves are off. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Brandi on June 28, 2010, 08:07:57 PM Dad In Missing Boy Case Staying Elsewhere Thank-you, interesting development, but not surprising.http://www.kptv.com/news/24074276/detail.html Me three. This part is what gets me: "Friends of the Horman family told FOX 12 that police encouraged Kaine Horman to take the couple's 18-month-old daughter and stay at a different location. Investigators would not confirm that information Monday." Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tracygirl on June 28, 2010, 08:11:41 PM Dad In Missing Boy Case Staying Elsewhere Thank-you, interesting development, but not surprising.http://www.kptv.com/news/24074276/detail.html Me three. This part is what gets me: "Friends of the Horman family told FOX 12 that police encouraged Kaine Horman to take the couple's 18-month-old daughter and stay at a different location. Investigators would not confirm that information Monday." Unflipping believable! Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Brandi on June 28, 2010, 08:12:02 PM Kyron Horman family expected to release statement tonight
Portland, OR - Friends of Terri Horman are reporting that Kaine Horman has taken their youngest child and is staying elsewhere. Terri Horman is said to be still staying at the house. The Multnomah County Sheriff would not confirm or deny these reports but said the family will issue a statement sometime tonight, through the sheriff's office. http://www.koinlocal6.com/content/news/breakingnews/story/Kyron-Horman-family-expected-to-release-statement/Pp41oNDg80Ghqq5Y3zwgDQ.cspx Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 28, 2010, 08:14:59 PM Kyron Horman family expected to release statement tonight Thanks, very curious what that statement may be ::MonkeyEek::Portland, OR - Friends of Terri Horman are reporting that Kaine Horman has taken their youngest child and is staying elsewhere. Terri Horman is said to be still staying at the house. The Multnomah County Sheriff would not confirm or deny these reports but said the family will issue a statement sometime tonight, through the sheriff's office. http://www.koinlocal6.com/content/news/breakingnews/story/Kyron-Horman-family-expected-to-release-statement/Pp41oNDg80Ghqq5Y3zwgDQ.cspx Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Wyks on June 28, 2010, 08:16:55 PM The thing about T saying Kyron wanted to go see the "cool electric one" <--- that may be a paraphrase, I'm not saying that's exactly what was said. . . had me wondering. If I was a kid and one of my friends was talking about a cool project, my response would be, "Let's go!". I'm surprised T didn't want to go see it as well. The other thing that has me thinking Kyron didn't go poking around is his bio mother said he isn't very adventuresome and is timid. Good points, New Monkey! I'm with you, would have said 'Lets go!" too. ::MonkeyHaHa:: It is a curious thing that the biomom said that, but one of his little friends said he wasn't shy. Guess that could be their different perspectives, but it still doesn't help us much in getting to know him. Well, if push comes to shove, guess I'd go with what his mama said. But then I think of how my mid son when young, even tho not a leader, and very timid on his own usually, still had moments when curiousity got the best of him. So who knows for sure? That's one thing that makes all this so frustrating, I think. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Heart on June 28, 2010, 08:18:28 PM Kyron Horman family expected to release statement tonight
(http://www.koinlocal6.com/media/lib/107/f/6/c/f6c929f2-b20f-429f-9d93-a7902a7d8114/Original.jpg) Kaine and Kyron Horman (HORMAN family) http://www.koinlocal6.com/content/news/breakingnews/story/Kyron-Horman-family-expected-to-release-statement/Pp41oNDg80Ghqq5Y3zwgDQ.cspx Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: New Monkey on June 28, 2010, 08:26:06 PM The thought of that little guy without his glasses being hurt just makes me sooooo angry! ::MonkeyMad::
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: cw618 on June 28, 2010, 08:43:19 PM Kyron Horman family expected to release statement tonight Portland, OR - Friends of Terri Horman are reporting that Kaine Horman has taken their youngest child and is staying elsewhere. Terri Horman is said to be still staying at the house. The Multnomah County Sheriff would not confirm or deny these reports but said the family will issue a statement sometime tonight, through the sheriff's office. http://www.koinlocal6.com/content/news/breakingnews/story/Kyron-Horman-family-expected-to-release-statement/Pp41oNDg80Ghqq5Y3zwgDQ.cspx it is kinda of weird, that TH lets her daughter leave with hubby though, why cant hubby leave with out the daughter, i mean the news is going to be where hubby is and TH, even if they are not with each other since this development im listing to the scanner for Multnomah County Sheriff link http://www.radioreference.com/apps/audio/?action=wp&feedId=348 Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Wyks on June 28, 2010, 08:43:35 PM 29.SS says: June 28, 2010 at 5:07 pm Brian Pumala studying to be an electrican; Kyron goes missing after supposedly stating he was going to see the cool electric project - did anyone else connect that? It is why I mention it specifically in the piece. B ::MonkeyDance:: ::piggy:: OOOOOhh! I did it, I brought something over!!!! Yay for the computer dummy ME! Okay, hypothetically, SM has affair breaks it off and to hurt her marriage this guy says, "Hey Kyron you wanna go see the cool electric project down there with me", he just doesn't seem like a loose cannon to me. What do you think. I know B does not write/post without reason so there must be a tie in. Yay!! ::MonkeyDance:: And here's the link for that: http://blinkoncrime.com/2010/06/23/new-clues-in-kyron-horman-search-fact-or-fiction-you-decide/#comments (http://blinkoncrime.com/2010/06/23/new-clues-in-kyron-horman-search-fact-or-fiction-you-decide/#comments) I'm still practicing on stuff too. Like embedding a video. Practice makes perfect, eh? ::MonkeyWink:: Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: trimmonthelake on June 28, 2010, 08:46:10 PM Kyron Horman family expected to release statement tonight Thanks, very curious what that statement may be ::MonkeyEek::Portland, OR - Friends of Terri Horman are reporting that Kaine Horman has taken their youngest child and is staying elsewhere. Terri Horman is said to be still staying at the house. The Multnomah County Sheriff would not confirm or deny these reports but said the family will issue a statement sometime tonight, through the sheriff's office. http://www.koinlocal6.com/content/news/breakingnews/story/Kyron-Horman-family-expected-to-release-statement/Pp41oNDg80Ghqq5Y3zwgDQ.cspx Yes,thanks.I have been reading along.thanks for all the links and updates. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Wyks on June 28, 2010, 08:49:00 PM Kyron Horman family expected to release statement tonight Portland, OR - Friends of Terri Horman are reporting that Kaine Horman has taken their youngest child and is staying elsewhere. Terri Horman is said to be still staying at the house. The Multnomah County Sheriff would not confirm or deny these reports but said the family will issue a statement sometime tonight, through the sheriff's office. http://www.koinlocal6.com/content/news/breakingnews/story/Kyron-Horman-family-expected-to-release-statement/Pp41oNDg80Ghqq5Y3zwgDQ.cspx it is kinda of weird, that TH lets her daughter leave with hubby though, why cant hubby leave with out the daughter, i mean the news is going to be where hubby is and TH, even if they are not with each other since this development im listing to the scanner for Multnomah County Sheriff link http://www.radioreference.com/apps/audio/?action=wp&feedId=348 CW.. dunno for sure. Am kind of thinking since LE told Kaine to do this, they have good reason to do so. Makes what Blink said in her site something about maybe an arrest this week, kinda seem even more probable. LE isn't going to want the baby present during an arrest. With Terri in one place, baby in a second place, and Kaine in yet a third.... Hmmm.. Still don't know who they are gonna arrest, not the baby tho, that we can count on. lol Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: trimmonthelake on June 28, 2010, 08:49:55 PM http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/kyron_hormans_stepmom_terri_mo.html
Kyron Horman's stepmom, Terri Moulton Horman, says rumor that Kaine Horman moved out is false Published: Monday, June 28, 2010, 5:12 PM Updated: Monday, June 28, 2010, 5:36 PM A report on Fox TV today saying that the stepmom and dad of Kyron Horman had separated is not true, according to the stepmom, Terri Moulton Horman. Approached at her home in Northwest Portland, Horman said her husband Kaine Horman and 18-month-old daughter Kiara have not moved out as Fox reported. "Everything's good," she said. "We heard that rumor. It's just a rumor that needs to be squelched. Everything's fine." She said the only change in their household is the arrival of her dad, Larry Moulton, who came up from Roseburg to support her. Her mom, Carol, has been with the family soon after Kyron’s disappearance to help out. Kyron, 7, disappeared from Skyline Elementary on June 4. A massive search around the area and on Sauvie Island turned up no clues. The Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office has not commented on repeated rumors that Terri is a suspect. Authorities have simply said they would not say whether they have any suspects in the case that's riveted the nation. Terri’s dad told People magazine that she’s been subjected to repeated interviews up to six hours each and that the truck she was driving the day Kyron disappeared has been inspected twice by police. When People asked him whether he thought his daughter would be arrested, he replied with tears in his eyes: “It’s 50-50.” -- Kate Mather and Lynne Terry Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 28, 2010, 08:52:14 PM http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/kyron_hormans_stepmom_terri_mo.html Now here is a link saying Kaine didn't move out ::MonkeyEek::
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: New Monkey on June 28, 2010, 08:54:37 PM http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/kyron_hormans_stepmom_terri_mo.html Now here is a link saying Kaine didn't move out ::MonkeyEek:: Good grief! ::MonkeyNoNo:: Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Rob on June 28, 2010, 08:54:53 PM Looks like NG had the chryon stating - Stepmom maybe arrested.
Not sure if that means may be or maybe. If they are thinking of arresting - it seems like it will be without a body. That's how it looks to me ... Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Brandi on June 28, 2010, 08:56:10 PM http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/kyron_hormans_stepmom_terri_mo.html Now here is a link saying Kaine didn't move out ::MonkeyEek:: I wanna wait until the press conference, myself. ::MonkeyEek:: Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Love2Read on June 28, 2010, 09:00:49 PM Kyron Horman family expected to release statement tonight (http://www.koinlocal6.com/media/lib/107/f/6/c/f6c929f2-b20f-429f-9d93-a7902a7d8114/Original.jpg) Kaine and Kyron Horman (HORMAN family) http://www.koinlocal6.com/content/news/breakingnews/story/Kyron-Horman-family-expected-to-release-statement/Pp41oNDg80Ghqq5Y3zwgDQ.cspx Heart, thanks for posting that cutie pie's pic, I am praying he will be found safe real soon. I noticed in this pic too though that the smile does not carry up to his eyes. Every time I see his eyes I wonder what kinds of things this child may have seen behind closed doors. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Wyks on June 28, 2010, 09:03:03 PM http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/kyron_hormans_stepmom_terri_mo.html Now here is a link saying Kaine didn't move out ::MonkeyEek:: I wanna wait until the press conference, myself. ::MonkeyEek:: Unless they backpedal on that too.. or say it was just a rumor. ::MonkeyRoll:: Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: klaasend on June 28, 2010, 09:03:42 PM This said he did
http://www.kptv.com/news/24074276/detail.html Dad In Missing Boy Case Staying Elsewhere POSTED: 3:37 pm PDT June 28, 2010 UPDATED: 5:57 pm PDT June 28, 2010 PORTLAND, Ore. -- The father of missing 7-year-old boy Kyron Horman is staying elsewhere this week after taking the daughter he has raised with Kyron's stepmother out of their home. Friends of the Horman family told FOX 12 that police encouraged Kaine Horman to take the couple's 18-month-old daughter and stay at a different location. Investigators would not confirm that information Monday. (snipped) Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: theboyzmom on June 28, 2010, 09:06:13 PM http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/kyron_hormans_stepmom_terri_mo.html Now here is a link saying Kaine didn't move out ::MonkeyEek:: I wanna wait until the press conference, myself. ::MonkeyEek:: Unless they backpedal on that too.. or say it was just a rumor. ::MonkeyRoll:: The quote from SM that "Everything is fine." is very strange to me. Nothing is fine - a child is MISSING! If she had said "Things are as well as can be expected" - that I get - but FINE - not a chance. I really get the hee bees from her the more I hear about her. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Rob on June 28, 2010, 09:07:05 PM http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/kyron_hormans_stepmom_terri_mo.html Now here is a link saying Kaine didn't move out ::MonkeyEek:: I wanna wait until the press conference, myself. ::MonkeyEek:: Unless they backpedal on that too.. or say it was just a rumor. ::MonkeyRoll:: maybe the police are psychologically squeezing Terri Moulton - you know, even more since the flyer appears to have not produced a witness that can get her locked up. plan b maybe. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: cw618 on June 28, 2010, 09:09:09 PM man there is a lot going on in Multnomah County, for a monday nite
http://www.radioreference.com/apps/audio/?action=wp&feedId=348 hubby moving out with their daughter, imo is a rumor not sure this has been posted http://www.mcso.us/public/newsroom.htm LETTER DESIREE YOUNG WROTE TO HER SON KYRON Posted: June 21st, 2010 4:56 PM Desiree Young, Kyron Horman's mother has asked me to release this letter written by her to her son. She wants the media's attention to focus on her son Kyron and him to be back home. Dear Kyron, I am so soooooo sorry that this has happened. I am sorry that I was not there to protect you. I will never be able to forgive myself for being so many hours away when you needed me the most. I pray that you come back to me because I am afraid that I can’t live without you. I miss you every second of every day. I would give my life for yours, I just want you back safe. You must come back to us. We have so many things that we have planned this summer that you are going to love. Quinn loves you so much and wants you home too. All of the family is here and wants you to know just how much they miss you. Mayson is terribly sad without his best friend to play with and wants you home soon. When you come home I will show you all of things that everyone did for you, just to find you. There are literally hundreds of thousands of people that don’t know you and yet they pray for you every night. They know how much I miss you and need you and they just want to bring you home to me. There are so many wonderful people working on this case and they are going to find you soon. I would give anything to run my fingers through your short hair again. I miss having you to hug anytime I want. Night time is always hard for me. I miss you so much and want you back here so that I can protect you from all of the horrible things in this world. I just can’t believe that you aren’t still with us. Your life has been really great and I know that it is done yet. A long time ago you saved my life and now I am going to do the same for you. Our lives will never be the same after this. I love you very much! Momma (Desiree Young) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- more news http://www.mcso.us/public/newsroom.htm Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: trimmonthelake on June 28, 2010, 09:20:20 PM http://www.kgw.com/news/local/Horman-family-statement-628-97355444.html
Horman family statement 6/28 kgw.com Posted on June 28, 2010 at 5:59 PM Updated today at 6:01 PM We have been fully briefed by law enforcement on the on-going criminal investigation. We are in complete support of that investigation. We have asked the Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office to facilitate releasing this statement for us due to their access to the media/flash news. We understand that we have free access to the media but are limiting statements to the media to keep the integrity of the investigation intact. Any actions taken by the investigation, or by us, are based on the best interests of Kyron and Kiara and comply with the law. Beyond this, we have no comment on the matter. Desiree, Tony and Kaine" Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 28, 2010, 09:21:00 PM KOIN now has this up:
Horman Family statement We have been fully briefed by law enforcement on the on-going criminal investigation. We are in complete support of that investigation. We have asked the Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office to facilitate releasing this statement for us due to their access to the media/flash news. We understand that we have free access to the media but are limiting statements to the media to keep the integrity of the investigation intact. Any actions taken by the investigation, or by us, are based on the best interests of Kyron and Kiara and comply with the law. Beyond this, we have no comment on the matter. Desiree, Tony and Kaine Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Brandi on June 28, 2010, 09:21:24 PM Horman Family statement
We have been fully briefed by law enforcement on the on-going criminal investigation. We are in complete support of that investigation. We have asked the Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office to facilitate releasing this statement for us due to their access to the media/flash news. We understand that we have free access to the media but are limiting statements to the media to keep the integrity of the investigation intact. Any actions taken by the investigation, or by us, are based on the best interests of Kyron and Kiara and comply with the law. Beyond this, we have no comment on the matter. Desiree, Tony and Kaine http://www.koinlocal6.com/content/news/topstories/story/The-Horman-family-release-a-statement/Dz4uMChK60KCWjy3W5FG4Q.cspx I have no idea what is being said. Or why. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Heart on June 28, 2010, 09:23:06 PM The Horman family release a statement
http://www.koinlocal6.com/content/news/topstories/story/The-Horman-family-release-a-statement/Dz4uMChK60KCWjy3W5FG4Q.cspx?p=2 Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: darla on June 28, 2010, 09:24:34 PM Good Evening Monkeys and Guest!
There is one name missing from that statement and to me that is telling. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: cw618 on June 28, 2010, 09:25:01 PM for the locals here
Detectives are requesting any video footage from neighboring traffic locations where Kyron was last seen. The MCSO are seeking video footage from June 3rd and June 4th and ask anyone who captured footage on video surveillance,cellphones or video cameras contact the tip line Police Seek Surveillance Video As part of the investigation, the Multnomah County Sheriff's Office is requesting surveillance video from nearby storefronts, private homes, security cameras or any other surveillance recording from June 3 and June 4. They are specifically looking for video of vehicular traffic from the following locations (also see the two maps below): Northwest Cornelius Pass Road Northwest Germantown Road Northwest Logie Trail Road Northwest Rocky Point Road Northwest Skyline Road Northwest 185th Avenue Northwest West Union Road Northwest Springville Road Bethany Boulevard Northwest Springville Road Northwest Newberry Road Northwest McNamee Road Highway 30 from Northwest Rock Point to Germantown Road Northwest Kaiser Road Northwest Thompson Road Northwest Laidlaw Road Anyone with video of those areas is asked to contact the sheriff's office tip line at (503) 261-2847. Leave your name, contact information and identify the specific location or street address of the video footage. http://www.mcso.us/public/newsroom.htm Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: klaasend on June 28, 2010, 09:25:58 PM What if Terri flipped out and did something to Kyron but honestly doesn't remember? Wonder if they are attempting to "draw" it out of her? Odd the statement is not including her and all eyes are on her.
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: GRAPEAPE on June 28, 2010, 09:26:36 PM Just a thought...T said there was a substitute teacher there that morning, maybe he was not confused, and someone was posing as a substitute teacher and Kyron went with him or her.
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Brandi on June 28, 2010, 09:27:59 PM What if Terri flipped out and did something to Kyron but honestly doesn't remember? Wonder if they are attempting to "draw" it out of her? Odd the statement is not including her and all eyes are on her. Yup! Her name was glaringly missing from the statement. Maybe that is the statement. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: melisb on June 28, 2010, 09:28:12 PM Missing name from 'family' statement very telling, I think! Thank you Wyks for fixing my post.
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: darla on June 28, 2010, 09:28:30 PM What if Terri flipped out and did something to Kyron but honestly doesn't remember? Wonder if they are attempting to "draw" it out of her? Odd the statement is not including her and all eyes are on her. I am not sure whether she flipped or what but the three names at the bottom says it all to me. If everything was hunky dorey her name would have been included. JMO Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: seahorse on June 28, 2010, 09:29:19 PM Hello Monkey's, A comment I found. ::MonkeyCool::
http://www.detectiveforums.com/forums/general-discussion/kyron-horman-disappearance-this-what-happened-t8417-15.html Re: Kyron Horman Disappearance. This is what happened. by legionne »Mon Jun 28, 2010 7:39 pm I see that. It says that the police encouraged him to take the child and move out. Did they do this out of concern for their safety or is it calculated to step up pressure on Terri if they feel she has been less than forth-coming? Or could it possibly have been because of child welfare services becoming involved in some way, and this was calculated to keep them from removing the child from the home and putting her in fostercare? Interesting developments, and it all seems to suggest that the solution to the mystery of what happened to Kyron does indeed lie close to the home and family. http://www.detectiveforums.com/forums/general-discussion/kyron-horman-disappearance-this-what-happened-t8417-15.html Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 28, 2010, 09:37:13 PM Good Evening Monkeys and Guest! Extremely telling ::MonkeyShocked::There is one name missing from that statement and to me that is telling. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Love2Read on June 28, 2010, 09:39:22 PM Good Evening Monkeys and Guest! Extremely telling ::MonkeyShocked::There is one name missing from that statement and to me that is telling. Ditto, but I am not shocked. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Rob on June 28, 2010, 09:39:56 PM There are several possibilities as to what could have happened to Kyron. But for the sake of using Terri Moulton as the perp - there are only so many remaining possibilities a month later.
Terri is accounted for / Kyron is not. So he is either deceased or Terri gave him to someone. He would need someone to take care of him and if the police are correct - the last known person to see him is accounted for. That leaves few positives outcomes in this scenario. I don't know what happened to Kyron, but it seems like to the police are going all in. With little forensic evidence (may be none at all - the truck was taken twice) and she seems to have been given two polygraphs. They should just come out and name Terri Moulton the POI and let her get an attorney. After-all, the police and DA need to prove their case - Terri doesn't need to prove she is innocent. Like I said, I have no idea what happened to Kyron, but the police are singularly focused. I hope they have the evidence to back up their assertions. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: cw618 on June 28, 2010, 09:42:59 PM Good Evening Monkeys and Guest! Extremely telling ::MonkeyShocked::There is one name missing from that statement and to me that is telling. Ditto, but I am not shocked. if so what would be a motive?........ maybe hubby has PoED TH to many times, hubby loves son, to spite hubby take son........got to be more to it, if so Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Itaryl Moosee on June 28, 2010, 09:46:03 PM Not only is her name missing, but it seems (according to what was said) that he did move out with his daughter.
Any actions taken by the investigation, or by us, are based on the best interests of Kyron and Kiara and comply with the law. Beyond this, we have no comment on the matter. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: darla on June 28, 2010, 09:51:31 PM Good Evening Monkeys and Guest! Extremely telling ::MonkeyShocked::There is one name missing from that statement and to me that is telling. Ditto, but I am not shocked. if so what would be a motive?........ maybe hubby has PoED TH to many times, hubby loves son, to spite hubby take son........got to be more to it, if so Who knows what the motive is with anyone that harms a child. They have warped minds or are just plain evil. The fact that the family has pretty much stood together on the other interviews, the fact that her name is not listed with the other three tells me something is going down. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: klaasend on June 28, 2010, 09:51:43 PM 5 years ago Terri looked like this. Was she trying to get back into shape after having a child? I don't think you can look like this without taking steroids. Was Terri taking steroids? Could she have snapped?
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/181189_jpgKYRONSTEPMOMPUMPED.jpg) Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 28, 2010, 09:56:56 PM I think she snapped also.
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: cw618 on June 28, 2010, 09:57:02 PM 5 years ago Terri looked like this. Was she trying to get back into shape after having a child? I don't think you can look like this without taking steroids. Was Terri taking steroids? Could she have snapped? (http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/181189_jpgKYRONSTEPMOMPUMPED.jpg) thanks klaasend, i new she looked familiar Was Terri taking steroids? Could she have snapped? maybe hubby found out, and she reacted irrationally klaasend, with the BOMBshell lol Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: darla on June 28, 2010, 09:57:55 PM WOW....quite a difference in that pic and the frumpy redhead in the interviews.
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Rob on June 28, 2010, 09:58:31 PM klaas, I say she could look like that without steroids. Amateur bodybuilders MAY use steroids during a diet to get ripped and ready for a contest, but in my opinion, if she was using, it was very minimal. In fact, if she was using - even just once with a proper diet and alot of water and cardio - she would be much more ripped than that.
but that's just my opinion. supplements and nutrition can produce some terrific results with out drugs. If you look closely at her physique - she is rather soft. If she was using male hormones for 8-12 weeks, she would be much more muscular and vascular. Also, her face does not have the long term effects of male hormones. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: cw618 on June 28, 2010, 09:59:52 PM Was Terri taking steroids? Could she have snapped?
forgot yes she could, but not in a short time, say like 6 months to look like that again, be more like a yr or more,and hard at it Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Brandi on June 28, 2010, 10:01:27 PM Not only is her name missing, but it seems (according to what was said) that he did move out with his daughter. Any actions taken by the investigation, or by us, are based on the best interests of Kyron and Kiara and comply with the law. Beyond this, we have no comment on the matter. Yes, I think he did move out, myself. No matter what Terri or her spokesperson said. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Rob on June 28, 2010, 10:01:52 PM anyway - if she was using all the way back then - it would be the biggest case of delayed roid rage ever. ::MonkeyHaHa::
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: klaasend on June 28, 2010, 10:02:30 PM klaas, I say she could look like that without steroids. Amateur bodybuilders MAY use steroids during a diet to get ripped and ready for a contest, but in my opinion, if she was using, it was very minimal. In fact, if she was using - even just once with a proper diet and alot of water and cardio - she would be much more ripped than that. but that's just my opinion. supplements and nutrition can produce some terrific results with out drugs. If you look closely at her physique - she is rather soft. If she was using male hormones for 8-12 weeks, she would be much more muscular and vascular. Also, her face does not have the long term effects of male hormones. ROB - I know you know alot more about body building than I do but any female body builders I've known all took steroids to look like that. They might say they aren't but they are. You can usually tell by their voices but to me, Terri's face has steroids written all over it. Of course, I could be totally wrong ::MonkeyCool:: Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Claycat on June 28, 2010, 10:03:01 PM Roid Rage?
Steroids can cause other things, too, like brain tumors. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Claycat on June 28, 2010, 10:04:29 PM Shades of Chris Benoit...
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: klaasend on June 28, 2010, 10:04:50 PM anyway - if she was using all the way back then - it would be the biggest case of delayed roid rage ever. ::MonkeyHaHa:: Rob - my point is now that the baby is 18 months, is she trying to get back into shape and taking steroids NOW Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 28, 2010, 10:05:54 PM WOW....quite a difference in that pic and the frumpy redhead in the interviews. And I thought I read she was trying to look like that again after having a baby, that would be a lot of work to get back to looking like that, maybe there was a lot of frustration and self hatred over that.Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: pink angel on June 28, 2010, 10:14:09 PM Kyron Horman's father files for divorce and restraining order against Kyron's stepmother - http://bit.ly/bYmVX6
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Brandi on June 28, 2010, 10:14:38 PM Kyron's dad files for divorce and restraining order
by Frank Mungeam and David Krough Posted on June 28, 2010 at 5:36 PM Updated today at 7:05 PM PORTLAND, Ore. -- The father of missing Portland boy Kyron Horman has filed for divorce and taken out a restraining order against his wife, a source told KGW Monday night. A source close to the investigation told KGW Monday night that Kaine Horman had moved out of the home with his 18-month-old child. Just hours earlier, Kyron's stepmother Terrie Moulton-Horman told KGW reports published by two other Portland TV news websites Monday that the father and child had moved out of their home were false. Family members released a statement Monday saying they were in support of the investigation. The statement was signed by Kyron's father, stepfather and mother, but not Terrie Horman. Read the statement Horman said she was not aware a statement was coming out. A source close to the investigation, however, said Kaine and the child had moved out. Kyron Horman's photo was on the cover of 'People' for the second week in a row and the story that goes with it focuses on the attention that has been placed on his step-mother, Terri Moulton-Horman. Since Kyron vanished three weeks ago, she has been singled out in a questionnaire sent to parents and staff of Skyline school. Moulton's father, Larry Moulton, 72, told 'People' matter-of-factly that "the finger points at stepmom, she's trying to be cooperative." http://www.kgw.com/news/local/Kyrons-dad-hasnt-moved-out-step-mom-says-97354759.html Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Rob on June 28, 2010, 10:14:43 PM klaas, I say she could look like that without steroids. Amateur bodybuilders MAY use steroids during a diet to get ripped and ready for a contest, but in my opinion, if she was using, it was very minimal. In fact, if she was using - even just once with a proper diet and alot of water and cardio - she would be much more ripped than that. but that's just my opinion. supplements and nutrition can produce some terrific results with out drugs. If you look closely at her physique - she is rather soft. If she was using male hormones for 8-12 weeks, she would be much more muscular and vascular. Also, her face does not have the long term effects of male hormones. ROB - I know you know alot more about body building than I do but any female body builders I've known all took steroids to look like that. They might say they aren't but they are. You can usually tell by their voices but to me, Terri's face has steroids written all over it. Of course, I could be totally wrong ::MonkeyCool:: just for the sake of discussion - Terri looks novice amateur to me. Like at the most she has done three shows. she is no whwere near a top amateur female bodybuilder. but all that aside - what her possibly riod usage 5 years ago could have to do with any of this is not in anyway relevant in my opinion - unless she traded Kyron from steroids. this is what female body builders who use roids look like - http://tinyurl.com/27ly3jn that's a big difference compared to what Terri Moulton looked like in contest shape. male hormones have a big effect of women - and it's obvious why - THEY'RE women. lol. Their system is not used to male hormones in large doses and usually will shred off all fat - Terri is rather soft if you ask me - and the other pic is even less flattering. all just my opinion. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Rob on June 28, 2010, 10:17:10 PM anyway - if she was using all the way back then - it would be the biggest case of delayed roid rage ever. ::MonkeyHaHa:: Rob - my point is now that the baby is 18 months, is she trying to get back into shape and taking steroids NOW I know she said she wanted to go to the gym - but how does anyone know she's taking roids now? I'm confused? Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: klaasend on June 28, 2010, 10:17:34 PM Kyron Horman's father files for divorce and restraining order against Kyron's stepmother - http://bit.ly/bYmVX6 WOW Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: klaasend on June 28, 2010, 10:18:48 PM anyway - if she was using all the way back then - it would be the biggest case of delayed roid rage ever. ::MonkeyHaHa:: Rob - my point is now that the baby is 18 months, is she trying to get back into shape and taking steroids NOW I know she said she wanted to go to the gym - but how does anyone know she's taking roids now? I'm confused? Nobody knows. It's a WHAT IF she is. Trying to think of some reason why a normal woman would harm a child she has raised. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 28, 2010, 10:19:34 PM Kyron Horman's father files for divorce and restraining order against Kyron's stepmother - http://bit.ly/bYmVX6 WOW ::MonkeyShocked::Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Brandi on June 28, 2010, 10:20:52 PM Kyron Horman's father files for divorce and restraining order against Kyron's stepmother - http://bit.ly/bYmVX6 O/T: Hi pink angel!!! Good to see you are still around! Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: cw618 on June 28, 2010, 10:22:24 PM Kyron Horman's father files for divorce and restraining order against Kyron's stepmother - http://bit.ly/bYmVX6 WTH was going on b4 the boy became missing there it is marriage probs, = revenge, the missing link http://www.kgw.com/news/Second-grade-student-missing-from-Skyline-Elementary-95670454.html Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: New Monkey on June 28, 2010, 10:23:21 PM Mother of Pearl! There's some serious stuff goin' down.
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: cw618 on June 28, 2010, 10:27:46 PM Trying to think of some reason why a normal woman would harm a child she has raised.
Because she is a scorned PoED woman, he had to have talked to her about divorcing b4, and she snapped over it, wonder if the reason for the D was another woman http://www.kgw.com/news/Second-grade-student-missing-from-Skyline-Elementary-95670454.html Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: New Monkey on June 28, 2010, 10:28:19 PM Check out this link. Go to the bottom and check out the url for "test". Wonder if this is from earlier or something coming?
http://www.mcso.us/public/booking_log.htm Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: mamacrazy30 on June 28, 2010, 10:30:35 PM she's the step-mom..that could mean different things to different people
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: mamacrazy30 on June 28, 2010, 10:31:35 PM maybe she was bitter being the step-mom?
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Rob on June 28, 2010, 10:31:43 PM just so some who do not understand steroids will have a little better knowledge of them and their use.
If you were just starting out with an exercise program - like after a baby - you would work out for maybe up to 6 months before using steroids. You don't just take a shot in the parking lot the first day back. Most women will work out while pregnant and it's sometimes unusual that a woman will quit working out all together - unless her doctor instructs her. Women do not use steroids in the same dosages as men. Nor do they use the same drugs that men use. Today, most people would like to use IGF- growth factor one. Or human growth hormone in conjunction with male hormones - like some sort of testosterone. Women who are recreational body builders - such as the novice. someone who may enter a few shows here and there. There are many natural federations and they are all drug tested. For those that are not drug tested events - well, anything goes. In my experience - novice amateur women generally do not use drugs unless they have aspirations of the national stage - like the NPC and a pro card. Terri was no where near that in my opinion and that's just looking at her two pics. But you get a feel for who is on and who is not - to me, she doesn't have many of the signs, but it would still be possible. I don't think she was using, but it is still possible because I don't know her, or her habits. If she was using - it's very very low dosage and not for a long period of time. the results just aren't there. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Missiontoconvict on June 28, 2010, 10:33:08 PM Kyron Horman's father files for divorce and restraining order against Kyron's stepmother - http://bit.ly/bYmVX6 ::MonkeyEek:: Wow, this speaks volumes.Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: klaasend on June 28, 2010, 10:35:22 PM http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yt1cVWA0KI0
To me, in this first interview where the family spoke, when Terri looked up at Desiree it is with fear in her eyes, not with sadness because Kyron is missing. (http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/TerriInterview.jpg) Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Brandi on June 28, 2010, 10:37:39 PM Check out this link. Go to the bottom and check out the url for "test". Wonder if this is from earlier or something coming? http://www.mcso.us/public/booking_log.htm I get: Directory Listing Denied This Virtual Directory does not allow contents to be listed. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: klaasend on June 28, 2010, 10:37:48 PM Check out this link. Go to the bottom and check out the url for "test". Wonder if this is from earlier or something coming? http://www.mcso.us/public/booking_log.htm http://www.mcso.us/public/images/HormanSAR0610/ Directory Listing Denied This Virtual Directory does not allow contents to be listed. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Rob on June 28, 2010, 10:38:10 PM anyway - if she was using all the way back then - it would be the biggest case of delayed roid rage ever. ::MonkeyHaHa:: Rob - my point is now that the baby is 18 months, is she trying to get back into shape and taking steroids NOW I know she said she wanted to go to the gym - but how does anyone know she's taking roids now? I'm confused? Nobody knows. It's a WHAT IF she is. Trying to think of some reason why a normal woman would harm a child she has raised. well, there are many people that kill their kids and they have nothing to do with steroids. It happens every day. Roid rage does exist, but it is always an enormous assh*le that was an enormous assh*le before the drugs - they just enhance it. it's rare that roids will ever take a normal functioning person and turn them into a raging homicidal maniac. other drugs will do that more readily. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: klaasend on June 28, 2010, 10:42:37 PM Rob - you're likely right about the roids.
O/T, TJ was great on Dana Pretzer tonight! Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: mymonkey on June 28, 2010, 10:42:40 PM What if Kaine had ask for a divorce before and TH went ape on him and did something to Kyron for revenge...and he has stayed in hopes to find out what happened...jmo...this is a mess!! Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: New Monkey on June 28, 2010, 10:42:49 PM Check out this link. Go to the bottom and check out the url for "test". Wonder if this is from earlier or something coming? http://www.mcso.us/public/booking_log.htm I get: Directory Listing Denied This Virtual Directory does not allow contents to be listed. http://www.mcso.us/public/images/HormanSAR0610/ Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Brandi on June 28, 2010, 10:46:20 PM Check out this link. Go to the bottom and check out the url for "test". Wonder if this is from earlier or something coming? http://www.mcso.us/public/booking_log.htm I get: Directory Listing Denied This Virtual Directory does not allow contents to be listed. http://www.mcso.us/public/images/HormanSAR0610/ Yeah, I noticed that when Klaas posted her reply to the URL. No idea what that URL is for, whether they have used it in the past or plan on using it in the future. Interesting though. Seems things might be happening. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: darla on June 28, 2010, 10:53:54 PM I have a strong feeling this is all about the 16 yr old going to live with grandparents then bio dad.
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: cw618 on June 28, 2010, 10:54:45 PM What if Kaine had ask for a divorce before and TH went ape on him and did something to Kyron for revenge...and he has stayed in hopes to find out what happened...jmo...this is a mess!! with the latest developments im thinking the same thing, but prob a planed revenge to keep her azzz safe, the pic that klass posted, T looks more like DO YOU KNOW it was me Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: klaasend on June 28, 2010, 10:55:09 PM I have a strong feeling this is all about the 16 yr old going to live with grandparents then bio dad. I forgot about him. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: darla on June 28, 2010, 10:57:26 PM There has to be a good reason to uproot a 16 yr old in the middle of a school yr, and move him in with GP away from all of his friends.
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: klaasend on June 28, 2010, 11:00:05 PM There has to be a good reason to uproot a 16 yr old in the middle of a school yr, and move him in with GP away from all of his friends. I didn't realize they did this. I've been slightly overwhelmed with the NH case and haven't been following this as closely. So why the need to send the 16yr old away? Good question. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: cw618 on June 28, 2010, 11:00:41 PM I have a strong feeling this is all about the 16 yr old going to live with grandparents then bio dad. I forgot about him. i did too, and divorce on top of that = pissed, i have no son, you have no son what a mess, dad has to be hinesighting his self, and feeling, i just cant imagine Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Missiontoconvict on June 28, 2010, 11:02:15 PM There has to be a good reason to uproot a 16 yr old in the middle of a school yr, and move him in with GP away from all of his friends. Darla I agree, it makes no sense, why would you not want to keep your family together. Something is not right.Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Wyks on June 28, 2010, 11:02:18 PM Wow.. ::MonkeyShocked::
A lot of action for one day. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: darla on June 28, 2010, 11:04:02 PM There has to be a good reason to uproot a 16 yr old in the middle of a school yr, and move him in with GP away from all of his friends. I didn't realize they did this. I've been slightly overwhelmed with the NH case and haven't been following this as closely. So why the need to send the 16yr old away? Good question. Klaas don't know any details, but it was posted that the 16 yr old lived with Kaine and Terri up until Jan. and was moved in with Terri parents then in with his bio dad. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: klaasend on June 28, 2010, 11:06:55 PM There has to be a good reason to uproot a 16 yr old in the middle of a school yr, and move him in with GP away from all of his friends. I didn't realize they did this. I've been slightly overwhelmed with the NH case and haven't been following this as closely. So why the need to send the 16yr old away? Good question. Klaas don't know any details, but it was posted that the 16 yr old lived with Kaine and Terri up until Jan. and was moved in with Terri parents then in with his bio dad. Interresting. BIO dad? Because he was adopted by Logan right? His BIO dad is Ecker or something? Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Rob on June 28, 2010, 11:14:26 PM There has to be a good reason to uproot a 16 yr old in the middle of a school yr, and move him in with GP away from all of his friends. I didn't realize they did this. I've been slightly overwhelmed with the NH case and haven't been following this as closely. So why the need to send the 16yr old away? Good question. I haven't been following as closely either - but I have been reading most of the posts. I am guess (just guessing) that the police have somehow dismissed Kyron's classmate that saw him allegedly LAST. And I do agree with the person over @ Detective Forum who wrote this was well planned. As time goes on and these cases pile up - I have learned to never discount what someone's motive may be. We all know there are some extremely diabolical people out there, and who knows what they are capable of. It is hard to wrap your (my) mind around a step-mom planning something like this and I guess she has an accomplice if it has taken almost a month to crack this case. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: newfie on June 28, 2010, 11:14:48 PM ::MonkeyShocked:: Wow I just fell off the fence. How tragic for everyone involved. I ask where is Kyron? Obviously there is alot going on in that house behind the infamous closed doors. Still we do not have any of the facts right now, only our speculations. Maybe LE got tired of keeping this all quiet. Let us hope they have solid facts to back up what has transpired. I truly hope they have evidence that is concrete and they are not just appeasing the public that wants closure. No one wants to think a parent could do the unthinkable.
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Wyks on June 28, 2010, 11:27:37 PM Might want to bookmark this site. Sry if already posted. When link opens up, just choose 'booked today' from the drop down menu, do not have to put in a name or anything, and click search.
http://www.mcso.us/PAID/Default.aspx (http://www.mcso.us/PAID/Default.aspx) Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Wyks on June 28, 2010, 11:39:09 PM Kyron Horman's stepmother served with documents for restraining order, divorce Kyron Horman's stepmother was served with a restraining order and a petition for dissolution of marriage at 6 p.m. Monday, a law enforcement source confirmed. The legal papers came as a complete surprise to Terri Moulton Horman, the source said. <more at link> http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/kyron_hormans_stepmom_terri_mo.html (http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/kyron_hormans_stepmom_terri_mo.html) Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Wyks on June 28, 2010, 11:43:36 PM Please light a candle for Kyron if you haven't already.
http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=Kyron (http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=Kyron) Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tamikosmom on June 28, 2010, 11:54:46 PM Kyron's dad files for divorce and restraining order by Frank Mungeam and David Krough Posted on June 28, 2010 at 5:36 PM Updated today at 7:05 PM PORTLAND, Ore. -- The father of missing Portland boy Kyron Horman has filed for divorce and taken out a restraining order against his wife, a source told KGW Monday night. A source close to the investigation told KGW Monday night that Kaine Horman had moved out of the home with his 18-month-old child. Just hours earlier, Kyron's stepmother Terrie Moulton-Horman told KGW reports published by two other Portland TV news websites Monday that the father and child had moved out of their home were false. Family members released a statement Monday saying they were in support of the investigation. The statement was signed by Kyron's father, stepfather and mother, but not Terrie Horman. Read the statement Horman said she was not aware a statement was coming out. A source close to the investigation, however, said Kaine and the child had moved out. Kyron Horman's photo was on the cover of 'People' for the second week in a row and the story that goes with it focuses on the attention that has been placed on his step-mother, Terri Moulton-Horman. Since Kyron vanished three weeks ago, she has been singled out in a questionnaire sent to parents and staff of Skyline school. Moulton's father, Larry Moulton, 72, told 'People' matter-of-factly that "the finger points at stepmom, she's trying to be cooperative." http://www.kgw.com/news/local/Kyrons-dad-hasnt-moved-out-step-mom-says-97354759.html ::MonkeyShocked:: Considering Kaine took the little girl when he moved out ... could it be that the truth regarding Kyron is known? Janet Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: newfie on June 28, 2010, 11:58:30 PM Thanks Wyks for giving some light in this dark hour. I am still hopeful that he is alive, and in shock about the step-mom. I really wanted to believe she would not harm this beautiful little boy. Words escape me.. I just do not know how someone could hurt another. ::MonkeyTears::
where are you Kyron? Please light a candle for Kyron if you haven't already. http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=Kyron (http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=Kyron) Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: cw618 on June 28, 2010, 11:59:56 PM Multnomah County Sheriff's Office,News Releases for Kyron Horman link
http://www.flashalert.net/news.html?id=1276 Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: klaasend on June 28, 2010, 11:59:58 PM This is all so unusual the way it's going down.
Everyone is isolating themselves from Terri yet she has not been arrested. Sounds like all of this has come as a huge surprise to her. Also sounds like her dad may have known something was in the works and came to offer moral support. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: sunshine12 on June 28, 2010, 11:59:58 PM wow, i think these latest developments mean that it is becoming obvious to police that the step mom is either directly involved in kyron's disappearance, or maybe led a certain lifestyle that could have been the catalyst to his disappearance...
as some of you may know, i used to work for child protective services for three years until i decided to go back to school for nursing. during my time there, i had a case where moms live in boyfriend was arrrested for first degree murder of the mothers biological son. it was frustrating at first because it took a little while for evidence to be gathered against the live in boyfriend, but as the child protecitve services worker assigned to the investigation, i made it clear to the mother that she needed to remove the other child in the home from the care of this man (they shared one biological child together who was not the decedent) or the state would be forced to make another safety plan for the surviving child. to me, this latest turn of events reminds me of that case i had and i can say from working a case like this that they must be close to some sort of arrest and that step mom most likely has some knowledge as to what happened to kyron. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Peace on June 29, 2010, 12:01:00 AM As a woman who is a gym rat myself, I can attest that one may have the muscle Terri has w/o any steroid use. I build muscle very easily and have never used drugs to do so. The face will change according to body fat. Most who lose a good deal of fat and build muscle will have an almost haggard looking face at times. Been there. I do not believe steroids have anything to do with anything in this case. I have however from the very beginning believed Terri had an accomplice who actually took Kyron. I think this person had a close personal relationship with Terri but targeted her to get to Kyron. This was a well-planned abduction and not a first for the accomplice. IMHO Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tamikosmom on June 29, 2010, 12:08:12 AM anyway - if she was using all the way back then - it would be the biggest case of delayed roid rage ever. ::MonkeyHaHa:: Rob - my point is now that the baby is 18 months, is she trying to get back into shape and taking steroids NOW I know she said she wanted to go to the gym - but how does anyone know she's taking roids now? I'm confused? Nobody knows. It's a WHAT IF she is. Trying to think of some reason why a normal woman would harm a child she has raised. A moment of rage ... an impulsive action that could not be taken back???? I remember when my daughter my three years old. I cannot not remember what set me off but I grabbed her long pony tail ... snapped her head back and ... slapped her face. Fortunately my hubby was present and he intervened. Not once since that incident did I ever disciplined my kids physically. My daughter has no memory of me lashing out at her but ... it has been almost 40 years and ... I have never forgotten it. Janet Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: klaasend on June 29, 2010, 12:11:26 AM As a woman who is a gym rat myself, I can attest that one may have the muscle Terri has w/o any steroid use. I build muscle very easily and have never used drugs to do so. The face will change according to body fat. Most who lose a good deal of fat and build muscle will have an almost haggard looking face at times. Been there. I do not believe steroids have anything to do with anything in this case. I have however from the very beginning believed Terri had an accomplice who actually took Kyron. I think this person had a close personal relationship with Terri but targeted her to get to Kyron. This was a well-planned abduction and not a first for the accomplice. IMHO Ok, you and Rob have me convinced. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: darla on June 29, 2010, 12:16:48 AM I have been listening to the scanner for that area and about an hour to 1 1/2 hrs ago, someone was told to get in touch with the FBI to see about an arrest warrant. Been waitingto see if I heard anything else before posting, but so far nothing. Not sure it even pertained to Kyron
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Peace on June 29, 2010, 12:17:57 AM I think LE knew from the beginning what happened. The reasons for all family members doing the press conference together was to continue to try to befriend Terri to gain info. This is likely why it took so long for a statement from the family, but the public was getting antsy and it LE did not want to have the public throw so much suspicion on Terri. They needed to try to befriend her and make it look as though she was not a POI. I believe a 'no knock' search warrant was obtained early on for remote diagnosis of their computers, and from the FBI's early involvement, this tells me they felt this was the workings of a complex known kidnapping ring. They maybe knew something was going to occur, but not the who and where. All IMHO
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: klaasend on June 29, 2010, 12:22:38 AM I have been listening to the scanner for that area and about an hour to 1 1/2 hrs ago, someone was told to get in touch with the FBI to see about an arrest warrant. Been waitingto see if I heard anything else before posting, but so far nothing. Not sure it even pertained to Kyron Thanks Darla Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: klaasend on June 29, 2010, 12:35:59 AM http://www.katu.com/news/local/97360254.html
Kyron’s father files for divorce, gets restraining order by KATU News Originally printed at http://www.katu.com/news/local/97360254.html PORTLAND, Ore. - The father of missing Skyline School second-grader Kyron Horman has filed for divorce from his wife Terri Moulton Horman and was granted a restraining order against her, a source confirmed to KATU News Monday night. The source also confirmed that Kaine Horman has moved out of the family’s house. The source said the restraining order is a physical restraining order that is meant to protect the couple’s daughter, Kiara. Terri Horman is Kyron’s stepmother and was the last known person to see him when he disappeared Friday, June 4. In a statement released Monday afternoon through the Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office, Kyron’s biological mother, Desiree Young, his stepfather, Tony Young, and Kaine Horman, said they don’t want to say too much to the media for fear that it may damage the integrity of the investigation. “We are in complete support of that investigation,” they wrote. “Any actions taken by the investigation, or by us, are based on the best interests of Kyron and Kiara and comply with the law. Beyond this, we have no comment on the matter.” The statement was not signed by Terri. In a phone interview, Desiree Young was asked if Terri knew they had written the statement. She said, “No, Terri didn’t know that we wrote this statement.” She wouldn’t comment as to why Terri wasn’t involved in the writing of it. Meanwhile, Terri’s father, Larry Moulton, said in the latest issue of People magazine that investigators are taking a closer look at his daughter. “She’s trying to be as cooperative as she can. … I guess they think she’s going to break,” he was quoted as saying. He said his daughter, who is a former teacher, is “really good with kids.” He also said investigators have questioned her for six hours at a time during several sessions, have given her two polygraphs and have twice taken her truck away. Investigators have said the truck was removed from her home for repairs. When the magazine’s interviewer asked Moulton if he thinks his daughter will be arrested, Moulton said, “I think it’s 50-50.” Investigators have refused to comment about any possible suspects or persons of interest in the case, but they have said they believe it is an “isolated incident.” * Read the statement This story is in progress and will be updated . . . Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tamikosmom on June 29, 2010, 12:39:17 AM Missing Oregon Boy's Father Separates from Stepmother
By Elaine Aradillas Tuesday June 29, 2010 12:10 AM EDT Even as police focused attention on missing Oregon boy Kyron Horman's stepmother, the 7-year-old child's family maintained a united front – until now. Within the last two days, Kyron's father, Kaine Horman, has moved out of the house he shared with wife Terri Moulton Horman, and he brought their 18-month-old daughter Kiara with him, a source tells PEOPLE. On Monday night, Terri Horman was served with a restraining order and divorce papers, the Oregonian reports. Meanwhile, Kyron's mother, Desiree Young, and her husband Tony, have joined Kaine Horman in releasing a cryptic statement saying they're pulling back from the public eye. "We understand that we have free access to the media but are limiting statements to the media to keep the integrity of the investigation intact," the three stated. "Any actions taken by the investigation, or by us, are based on the best interests of Kyron and Kiara and comply with the law. Beyond this, we have no comment on the matter." Terri Horman's name is not included in the statement, and a source tells PEOPLE she is no longer officially speaking for the family as she has in the past. As recently as last Friday, Kyron's father said he believed his wife was "committed" to finding him. Terri, who has helped raise Kyron since he was a baby, was the last person known to have seen him, telling police she dropped the second-grader off June 4 at a science fair at his Portland-area school. Since then, she has taken two polygraphs and deputies sent out a questionnaire asking if anybody had seen Terri or her truck the day the boy disappeared. Terri Horman's dad tells PEOPLE in the current issue she's been interviewed repeatedly, as long as six hours at a time, and that police have inspected her truck twice. Asked if he though authorities would arrest Terri, her father said it was "fifty-fifty." http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20397855,00.html Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Peace on June 29, 2010, 12:45:24 AM This is the first case where I can say I am in awe of the way LE has handled this. I think time will show that they conducted this case in the best possible manner. All of the resources used, the quick response and truly the way they fed the public only what was needed. It's all about getting Kyron back, not playing politics. Praying for this little man's safe return.
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: klaasend on June 29, 2010, 12:48:20 AM This is the first case where I can say I am in awe of the way LE has handled this. I think time will show that they conducted this case in the best possible manner. All of the resources used, the quick response and truly the way they fed the public only what was needed. It's all about getting Kyron back, not playing politics. Praying for this little man's safe return. I agree except I don't feel good about finding Kyron safe. Where would he be? Sadly I think something terrible happened to Kyron or he would have turned up by now. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: cw618 on June 29, 2010, 12:48:46 AM I have been listening to the scanner for that area and about an hour to 1 1/2 hrs ago, someone was told to get in touch with the FBI to see about an arrest warrant. Been waitingto see if I heard anything else before posting, but so far nothing. Not sure it even pertained to Kyron Thanks Darla i remember hearing fbi then this guys name, Humbert, Ryan Lee ,not sure what it is http://www.mcso.us/PAID/BookingDetail.aspx?ID=27xRxyoGA0bIKEM34cxnrQ== Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Wyks on June 29, 2010, 01:07:15 AM reports on another site that Terri is supposedly going live on kgw news at 10p. Isn't it about 10p on the west coast now?
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tamikosmom on June 29, 2010, 01:09:44 AM reports on another site that Terri is supposedly going live on kgw news at 10p. Isn't it about 10p on the west coast now? 10:10 PM PT right now. Janet Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: cartfly on June 29, 2010, 01:10:14 AM Man, someone tried to start a thread about that SAR guy, Harry Oakes, at WS, and they locked it up tight until they could verify it. I'm tired of this extreme censorship. (I just started visiting these forums again after several months. The censorship has gotten really bad at HFTM, too.) Is it bad here? I guess I will know if my post disappears! Glad you're here Claycat!! I think you will be happy here :) Of course we don't always agree but that's okay, we all have our hearts in the right place. Everybody brings a little something to the table. : ::MonkeyCheer2:: Welcome!!They were reporting that he is starting his search today, and that the family won't give him Kyron's scent. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: klaasend on June 29, 2010, 01:13:01 AM Unless you are in the Portland area likely not to be live. All we can do is keep checking the websites:
http://www.kgw.com/ Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Wyks on June 29, 2010, 01:15:03 AM I don't have Terri's FB handy. Folks are saying that her pic has changed. Supposedly of Terri, her older son, Kyron, the baby... but no Kaine.
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Wyks on June 29, 2010, 01:18:49 AM Unless you are in the Portland area likely not to be live. All we can do is keep checking the websites: http://www.kgw.com/ Thanks for the link, Klaas. Someone else mentioned that the news there is at 11p not 10p. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tamikosmom on June 29, 2010, 01:22:13 AM Kyron’s father files for divorce, gets restraining order
Story Published: Jun 28, 2010 at 7:55 PM PDT In a statement released Monday afternoon through the Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office, Kyron’s biological mother, Desiree Young, his stepfather, Tony Young, and Kaine Horman, said they don’t want to say too much to the media for fear that it may damage the integrity of the investigation. “We are in complete support of that investigation,” they wrote. “Any actions taken by the investigation, or by us, are based on the best interests of Kyron and Kiara and comply with the law. Beyond this, we have no comment on the matter.” The statement was not signed by Terri. In a phone interview, Desiree Young was asked if Terri knew they had written the statement. She said, “No, Terri didn’t know that we wrote this statement.” She wouldn’t comment as to why Terri wasn’t involved in the writing of it. http://www.katu.com/news/97360254.html Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: darla on June 29, 2010, 01:23:19 AM Goodnight Monkeys. Prayers for Kyron to be home safe . God Bless you lil man.
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Wyks on June 29, 2010, 01:23:45 AM Scanner link......... lol
http://www.radioreference.com/apps/audio/?action=cwp&ctid=2230 (http://www.radioreference.com/apps/audio/?action=cwp&ctid=2230) Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Claycat on June 29, 2010, 01:24:52 AM Thanks, cartfly! ::HelloKitty::
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Wyks on June 29, 2010, 01:25:42 AM Terri's facebook link:
http://www.facebook.com/terri.horman (http://www.facebook.com/terri.horman) Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tracygirl on June 29, 2010, 01:51:22 AM Ok I am coming out of hiding. Well I am sure every other step mother out there who has tried beyond everything to dispel the "wicked step mother" stigma is wanting to rip the hair right out of this woman's head. You know how hard it is to be a step mother in todays society? Not only with adults but with the other parent and with the kids as well. So many movies depict the step mom as a horrible person who wants nothing more then to be rid of the "little brats" that come with the man of her choice. Now this POS does something to this sweet little boy? I hope she rots in the hell she has made for herself. What an honor she had to care for a boy like Kyron. He called her mom, she should have been proud of that and cherished it as the special gift it is. He could have called her Terri, but he called her mom, what an idiot she is.
I am just heartbroken and so worried for this little boy. Where is he and what happened to him? They need to arrest Terri and charge her with a stiff crime, perhaps then she will break and say what happened. Hopefully this will lead us to a live Kyron. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: akmom on June 29, 2010, 02:00:25 AM These latest developments are very depressing....I am very worried for Kyron, as I have been since the beginning. This does not sound good...prayers for this little guy....
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: cartfly on June 29, 2010, 02:19:43 AM Holy potatos, I step away for the day and all hell breaks loose!! I just finished reading, phew! ::MonkeyShocked::
It sounds like LE doesn't think Terri is mentally stable to remove the baby. Also, to those who saw Terri's facebook before it went private, she had a post about an incident somewheres like a Chuckee cheese where some other child "did" something to the baby. She went on to describe how she dealt with this other kid. I don't remember her exact "words" but it sounded really harsh to me. (Terri's handling of this other child) I with I had screenshot the page before it went private. Anyone else remember seeing that? Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: cartfly on June 29, 2010, 02:32:33 AM Ok I am coming out of hiding. Well I am sure every other step mother out there who has tried beyond everything to dispel the "wicked step mother" stigma is wanting to rip the hair right out of this woman's head. You know how hard it is to be a step mother in todays society? Not only with adults but with the other parent and with the kids as well. So many movies depict the step mom as a horrible person who wants nothing more then to be rid of the "little brats" that come with the man of her choice. Now this POS does something to this sweet little boy? I hope she rots in the hell she has made for herself. What an honor she had to care for a boy like Kyron. He called her mom, she should have been proud of that and cherished it as the special gift it is. He could have called her Terri, but he called her mom, what an idiot she is. Tracey-You are a wonderful step mother. You love all children, biological or not. I am just heartbroken and so worried for this little boy. Where is he and what happened to him? They need to arrest Terri and charge her with a stiff crime, perhaps then she will break and say what happened. Hopefully this will lead us to a live Kyron. Unfortunately, not all step parents bond with their step kids. I think you are a rare gem. And yes, she does make step parents look bad. I know several people who are step parents and you would never know those children were not their bio children. Then others I have known did not have that attachment. I felt like Terri was like my stepmother/stepmonster. From looking at her facebook (before it went private) my first reaction was where are the pictures of Kyron? Her facebook was full of pictures of the baby, stories of the baby and hardly any mention of Kyron. There were very few recent pics of Kyron. That disturbed me. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Wyks on June 29, 2010, 02:45:36 AM Holy potatos, I step away for the day and all hell breaks loose!! I just finished reading, phew! ::MonkeyShocked:: It sounds like LE doesn't think Terri is mentally stable to remove the baby. Also, to those who saw Terri's facebook before it went private, she had a post about an incident somewheres like a Chuckee cheese where some other child "did" something to the baby. She went on to describe how she dealt with this other kid. I don't remember her exact "words" but it sounded really harsh to me. (Terri's handling of this other child) I with I had screenshot the page before it went private. Anyone else remember seeing that? This person named Ruthie has a text version of Terri's FB wall from about the end of May til it went private, maybe it's in here? Haven't read thru it all yet. She has a bunch of other stuff re the FB in the rest of her site too. Links to the right down a ways. Also has a 'challenge' letter to whomever did what to Kyron. That link is kind of near the top of page in the middle area. Gotta nose around a bit. lol http://ruthiessky.blogspot.com/2010/06/terri-moulton-hormans-facebook-wall.html (http://ruthiessky.blogspot.com/2010/06/terri-moulton-hormans-facebook-wall.html) Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: cartfly on June 29, 2010, 02:55:35 AM Holy potatos, I step away for the day and all hell breaks loose!! I just finished reading, phew! ::MonkeyShocked:: It sounds like LE doesn't think Terri is mentally stable to remove the baby. Also, to those who saw Terri's facebook before it went private, she had a post about an incident somewheres like a Chuckee cheese where some other child "did" something to the baby. She went on to describe how she dealt with this other kid. I don't remember her exact "words" but it sounded really harsh to me. (Terri's handling of this other child) I with I had screenshot the page before it went private. Anyone else remember seeing that? This person named Ruthie has a text version of Terri's FB wall from about the end of May til it went private, maybe it's in here? Haven't read thru it all yet. She has a bunch of other stuff re the FB in the rest of her site too. Links to the right down a ways. Also has a 'challenge' letter to whomever did what to Kyron. That link is kind of near the top of page in the middle area. Gotta nose around a bit. lol http://ruthiessky.blogspot.com/2010/06/terri-moulton-hormans-facebook-wall.html (http://ruthiessky.blogspot.com/2010/06/terri-moulton-hormans-facebook-wall.html) Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Wyks on June 29, 2010, 03:01:49 AM This person named Ruthie has a text version of Terri's FB wall from about the end of May til it went private, maybe it's in here? Haven't read thru it all yet. She has a bunch of other stuff re the FB in the rest of her site too. Links to the right down a ways. Also has a 'challenge' letter to whomever did what to Kyron. That link is kind of near the top of page in the middle area. Gotta nose around a bit. lol http://ruthiessky.blogspot.com/2010/06/terri-moulton-hormans-facebook-wall.html (http://ruthiessky.blogspot.com/2010/06/terri-moulton-hormans-facebook-wall.html) Glad it helps! And I hear ya about screenshots, dagnabbit! lol Had I done that, I could have had the DATE stamp on the sci fair project pic that Terri took on the 3rd, but uploaded on the 4th. Then she deleted the date stamp on the pic. No way to prove that except to say.. but but but, I sawwwww it. LOL As did several others. But hey, maybe the screenshots we want will show up someday? We can only hope. lol Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tracygirl on June 29, 2010, 03:06:52 AM My sons former step mother could have done something like this. She resented my children for being her husbands children. She saw them as a financial drain on her household, someone who she had to compete with for attention and she wanted nothing to do with them after she had gotten what she wanted, her own bio children from him. You know she once stepped on my childs foot and then screamed at him for getting in her way? She was a bitch, sorry for the curse, but it is true, she was. I thank God everyday my ex and her broke up. The only thing I regret is not being able to break away from my ex's grip when I was going to punch her. One good punch for the sake of my children, just one good punch. I cannot imagine the amount of anger that Desiree is feeling right now.
Thank you Cartfly for saying I am a good step mom, I am just trying to be a step mother who is not responsible for hours and hours of therapy when the girls grow up, lol. I love them, they are great kids. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: cartfly on June 29, 2010, 03:18:36 AM Holy potatos, I step away for the day and all hell breaks loose!! I just finished reading, phew! ::MonkeyShocked:: It sounds like LE doesn't think Terri is mentally stable to remove the baby. Also, to those who saw Terri's facebook before it went private, she had a post about an incident somewheres like a Chuckee cheese where some other child "did" something to the baby. She went on to describe how she dealt with this other kid. I don't remember her exact "words" but it sounded really harsh to me. (Terri's handling of this other child) I with I had screenshot the page before it went private. Anyone else remember seeing that? This person named Ruthie has a text version of Terri's FB wall from about the end of May til it went private, maybe it's in here? Haven't read thru it all yet. She has a bunch of other stuff re the FB in the rest of her site too. Links to the right down a ways. Also has a 'challenge' letter to whomever did what to Kyron. That link is kind of near the top of page in the middle area. Gotta nose around a bit. lol http://ruthiessky.blogspot.com/2010/06/terri-moulton-hormans-facebook-wall.html (http://ruthiessky.blogspot.com/2010/06/terri-moulton-hormans-facebook-wall.html) Darn I couldn't find it. I know I saw it and it gave me a sort of uneasy feeling somewhat. It must have been before May. I had gone through quite a few pages on her facebook when Kyron first disappeared.Hopefully, someone else may have captured the entire thing. I did notice she stated (before Kyron disappeared) going to the gym with Kitty so I guess she was working out again to some degree. Anyone know what Freddy's is? She mentions that she likes going to Freddy's. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: cartfly on June 29, 2010, 03:27:19 AM My sons former step mother could have done something like this. She resented my children for being her husbands children. She saw them as a financial drain on her household, someone who she had to compete with for attention and she wanted nothing to do with them after she had gotten what she wanted, her own bio children from him. You know she once stepped on my childs foot and then screamed at him for getting in her way? She was a bitch, sorry for the curse, but it is true, she was. I thank God everyday my ex and her broke up. The only thing I regret is not being able to break away from my ex's grip when I was going to punch her. One good punch for the sake of my children, just one good punch. I cannot imagine the amount of anger that Desiree is feeling right now. Kids know, in my opinion if someone is really sincere about them. Thank you Cartfly for saying I am a good step mom, I am just trying to be a step mother who is not responsible for hours and hours of therapy when the girls grow up, lol. I love them, they are great kids. I knew instantly that my stepdad was a really good person that truly came to love us. My stepmom however in the early years made my life hell and it hurt to see my Dad stand by her. In her later years, I think she came to like us a little, lol. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: seahorse on June 29, 2010, 06:06:23 AM anyway - if she was using all the way back then - it would be the biggest case of delayed roid rage ever. ::MonkeyHaHa:: Rob - my point is now that the baby is 18 months, is she trying to get back into shape and taking steroids NOW I know she said she wanted to go to the gym - but how does anyone know she's taking roids now? I'm confused? Nobody knows. It's a WHAT IF she is. Trying to think of some reason why a normal woman would harm a child she has raised. well, there are many people that kill their kids and they have nothing to do with steroids. It happens every day. Roid rage does exist, but it is always an enormous assh*le that was an enormous assh*le before the drugs - they just enhance it. it's rare that roids will ever take a normal functioning person and turn them into a raging homicidal maniac. other drugs will do that more readily. Money...she did it for the dough, this is my opinion. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: seahorse on June 29, 2010, 06:22:21 AM Good morning Monkey's,
Thanks to all for the updates. Thank-You Klaas for the monkey icons. Do you have this link? Kyron Horman's stepmother served with documents for restraining order, divorce Published: Monday, June 28, 2010, 8:12 PM Updated: Monday, June 28, 2010, 11:05 PM Lynne Terry, The Oregonian http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/kyron_hormans_stepmom_terri_mo.html Kyron Horman's stepmother was served with a restraining order and a petition for dissolution of marriage about 6 p.m. Monday, a source confirmed. The legal papers came as a complete surprise to Terri Moulton Horman, the source said. Approached earlier in the day at her home in Northwest Portland, she had denied a report by KPTV 12/Fox TV news that her husband, Kaine Horman, and 18-month-old daughter, Kiara, had moved out. smip... Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: NCSunny on June 29, 2010, 08:10:23 AM Terri's facebook link: http://www.facebook.com/terri.horman (http://www.facebook.com/terri.horman) Hmmm...it looks as though she had deleted her page??? Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: trimmonthelake on June 29, 2010, 08:25:37 AM http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/06/29/earlyshow/main6629305.shtml
PORTLAND, Ore., June 29, 2010 Missing Oregon Boy's Father Files for Divorce Kaine Hormon's wife, Terri Hormon, Kyron Hormon's Stepmother, Is Last Person Known to Have Seen Kyron before He Vanished (CBS/ AP) The father of Kyron Hormon, the 7-year-old Oregon boy missing for more than three weeks, filed for divorce from the boy's stepmother Monday, court documents show. Terri Hormon was served with the divorce papers and a restraining order late Monday night, reports CBS News Correspondent Bill Whitaker. Kaine Hormon is said to have moved out of the house he shared with Terri. He reportedly took the couple's 18-month-old daughter with him. Earlier Monday, Terri denied there were any problems with the marriage. Police haven't officially named Terri a suspect or a person of interest, but say they gave her a second polygraph, reviewed her cell phone records, and examined her Ford truck. Investigators say she's the last known person to have seen Kyron alive before he disappeared from his Portland school June 4. After a massive search, the Multnomah County sheriff's office recently described the case as a criminal investigation. Police say Terri told them she took Kyron to school that morning. There was a science fair before classes began, and Terri took a photo of Kyron in front of his project. She has told police she last saw him walking down a hallway toward his second-grade classroom, wearing a "CSI" T-shirt and dark cargo pants. The police are really keying in on her; they think she is the heart of the investigation," observes former federal prosecutor Laurie Levenson. All along, the family had appeared united, supporting Terri in an interview on "The Early Show" Friday. "I believe she's committed as the rest of our family is to finding Kyron," Kaine said at the time. Kyron's biological parents also issued a new statement Monday - excluding Terri - saying they've been fully briefed on the criminal investigation and support the authorities, adding, "Any actions taken by the investigation, or by us, are based on the best interests of Kyron." But, says Whitaker, their actions have many wondering whether an arrest might be imminent. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: trimmonthelake on June 29, 2010, 08:29:00 AM http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/37992992/ns/today-today_people/
Father of missing Oregon boy files for divorce updated 25 minutes ago PORTLAND, Ore. — The father of a 7-year-old Oregon boy missing for more than three weeks filed for divorce from the boy's stepmother on Monday, court documents showed. The filing in Multnomah County Circuit Court listed Kaine Horman as the petitioner and Terri Moulton Horman as the respondent. Police have said she's the last known person to have seen Kyron Horman alive before he disappeared from his Portland school on June 4. After a massive search, the Multnomah County sheriff's office recently described the case as a criminal investigation. Sheriff's spokeswoman Lt. Mary Lindstrand said Monday night her office is "not talking about personal issues going on with the Hormans." She said Terri Horman is neither a person of interest nor a suspect. Terri Horman's father, Larry Moulton, is staying at her house to give her support. He confirmed to KPTV that the couple's 18-month-old daughter Kiara was staying away from the house at a separate location. "It's a very difficult time and I'm just here to support my daughter," Moulton said. "We'll leave it at that." Earlier Monday, Kaine Horman as well as Kyron's mother Desiree Young and her husband Tony Young issued a statement through the sheriff's office that was signed only "Desiree, Tony and Kaine." It did not include Terri Horman's name Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 29, 2010, 08:36:24 AM Thanks for all the updates ::MonkeyEek:: A divorce and restraining order, have to wonder if she has been abusive to both children in the past, Kyron and the baby? I think she snapped, Kyron may have done something and she just went off on him. Something tells me this is not the first time she snapped and became unstable. I don't know that much about steroids, and wouldn't know if she took them or not. But for someone who looked like she did, then had a baby and ended up looking like she does now, she must have a lot of anger inside about not looking like she previously did, imo. That, and maybe she has some mental health issues.
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: klaasend on June 29, 2010, 09:08:13 AM NEW BLINK POST:
http://blinkoncrime.com/2010/06/29/kyron-horman-missing-and-endangered-kaine-horman-files-for-restraining-order-and-divorce-from-terri-horman/ Kyron Horman Missing and Endangered: Kaine Horman Files For Restraining Order And Divorce From Terri Horman Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: melisb on June 29, 2010, 09:11:19 AM I still say there is more to Tanner's statement. He went to see the cool electric project but being such a good obedient child, who said they would go with him or meet him there? Maybe SM? Maybe planned kidnapper? BF of SM? Has she been seening Brian P.? Whatever made Kaine take the child and leave home possibly wo telling SM was bad enough to follow up with a restraining order and divorce! I hate to say it but if it was my spouse w/all this doubt around them I would've left home with my other child before this. I sincerely doubt this is a tatical ploy to draw out someone that may have taken Kyron to contact SM. This is a buckle up biatch, we comin for ya if you don't give us more info!
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 29, 2010, 09:17:00 AM Thanks for the new Blink post.
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: newfie on June 29, 2010, 09:30:41 AM Good Morning all... I was hoping we would all know where Kyron is this this a.m. Hugs to you Tracygirl. :smt056 Not all step-moms are bad, I know some very good ones who are loving and supportive of all of their children. I am still having a hard time believing that Terri did something directly to Kyron but I guess I am wrong. I wonder who Terri has been socializing with? Does she have a boyfriend? Kaine left and took the little one and states it is in the best interest of all and was directed to do so by LE. I am wondering what was the final piece of the puzzle that made him leave? It is also stated that Kaine, Desiree, and Tony are in agreement with the investigation. Does this mean that Terri said she would not be a part of the investigation anymore? I wonder if she is suicidal and that is why Kaine took the restraining order out. Asking for a divorce is one thing but taking the child and getting an RO is major.
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: klaasend on June 29, 2010, 09:41:19 AM http://www.katu.com/news/local/97360254.html
(http://media.katu.com/images/062010_step-mom_friend_speaks_out-crop.jpg) Divorce papers, restraining order put spotlight on stepmother by KATU News and KATU.com Staff Originally printed at http://www.katu.com/news/local/97360254.html PORTLAND, Ore. - The father of missing Skyline School second-grader Kyron Horman has filed for divorce from his wife Terri Moulton Horman and was granted a restraining order against her, a source confirmed to KATU News Monday night. The source also confirmed that Kaine Horman has moved out of the family’s house. The source said the restraining order is a physical restraining order that is meant to protect the couple’s 18-month-old daughter, Kiara. Before KATU's source confirmed that Kaine had moved out and taken his daughter with him, KATU News had friends of Terri call her and ask her if it was true. She told them it wasn’t true and that everything was fine. But the divorce papers weren’t served until 6 p.m. Terri has not answered requests to talk. Terri Horman is Kyron’s stepmother and was the last known person to see him when he disappeared Friday, June 4. In a statement released Monday afternoon through the Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office, Kyron’s biological mother, Desiree Young, his stepfather, Tony Young, and Kaine Horman, said they don’t want to say too much to the media for fear that it may damage the integrity of the investigation. “We are in complete support of that investigation,” they wrote. “Any actions taken by the investigation, or by us, are based on the best interests of Kyron and Kiara and comply with the law. Beyond this, we have no comment on the matter.” The statement was not signed by Terri. In a phone interview, Desiree Young was asked if Terri knew they had written the statement. She said, “No, Terri didn’t know that we wrote this statement.” She wouldn’t comment as to why Terri wasn’t involved in the writing of it. Meanwhile, Terri’s father, Larry Moulton, said in the latest issue of People magazine that investigators are taking a closer look at his daughter. “She’s trying to be as cooperative as she can. … I guess they think she’s going to break,” he was quoted as saying. He said his daughter, who is a former teacher, is “really good with kids.” He also said investigators have questioned her for six hours at a time during several sessions, have given her two polygraphs and have twice taken her truck away. Investigators have said the truck was removed from her home for repairs. When the magazine’s interviewer asked Moulton if he thinks his daughter will be arrested, Moulton said, “I think it’s 50-50.” Investigators have refused to comment about any possible suspects or persons of interest in the case, but they have said they believe it is an “isolated incident.” Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Lenie on June 29, 2010, 10:03:28 AM Seems like quiet a difference if you look at the picture on Terri's facebook page and her more recent pictures. Seems like there may be something huge going on with her to make such a difference in her appearance between then and now.
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 29, 2010, 10:08:35 AM Seems like quiet a difference if you look at the picture on Terri's facebook page and her more recent pictures. Seems like there may be something huge going on with her to make such a difference in her appearance between then and now. Huge difference ::MonkeyEek::Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: cw618 on June 29, 2010, 10:14:12 AM i only went back 5pgs for catch up, sorry if this was mentioned
talked with a friend this morn about, why TH would do anything to Kyron, and hubby wanting a divorce, and RO, she reminded me of so and so and her flip out, so and so had, Postpartum depression, and if TH had used other drugs b4 pregnancy, or during, she could developed Post-partum psychosis, from looking around the Post-partum psychosis can happen with out drug use too. if TH did harm Kyron, maybe this is the reason, considering, most of what weve read is she was a loving caring wonderful person Post-partum psychosis http://www.peaceandhealing.com/psychosis/postpartum.asp Postpartum depression http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/postpartum-depression/DS00546/DSECTION=symptoms ------------------------ snipped TH has friends with her... Terri Horman had said the only change in their household was the arrival of her dad, Larry Moulton, from Roseburg to support her. Her mom, Carol, has been with the family since soon after Kyron's disappearance to help out. By 8 p.m. Monday, at least four friends had driven up the gravel driveway at Terri Horman's blue, two-story house set in woodlands in rural northwest Multnomah County to console their embattled friend after learning of the divorce. One friend, who asked not to be identified, said that Terri Horman still felt as though the county sheriff's office was on her side. http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/kyron_hormans_stepmom_terri_mo.html Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: cw618 on June 29, 2010, 10:24:26 AM i havent compared this time line with others, so not sure how accurate it is
Kyron Horman: Timeline of events since boy's disappearance Published: Thursday, June 10, 2010, 3:22 PM Updated: Friday, June 25, 2010, 6:05 PM http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/kyron_horman_chronology_of_eve.html Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 29, 2010, 10:27:14 AM i havent compared this time line with others, so not sure how accurate it is Thanks and thanks for the links on postpartum depression and psychosis, I'm leaning that way, IMOKyron Horman: Timeline of events since boy's disappearance Published: Thursday, June 10, 2010, 3:22 PM Updated: Friday, June 25, 2010, 6:05 PM http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/kyron_horman_chronology_of_eve.html Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: suzyinpgh on June 29, 2010, 10:44:54 AM Does anyone know what the grounds for the divorce are?
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 29, 2010, 10:47:12 AM Does anyone know what the grounds for the divorce are? No, I don't but would be interesting to find out.Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Missiontoconvict on June 29, 2010, 11:00:36 AM Does anyone know what the grounds for the divorce are? No, I don't but would be interesting to find out.Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 29, 2010, 11:03:25 AM Does anyone know what the grounds for the divorce are? No, I don't but would be interesting to find out.Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: mediamama on June 29, 2010, 11:21:15 AM Seems like quiet a difference if you look at the picture on Terri's facebook page and her more recent pictures. Seems like there may be something huge going on with her to make such a difference in her appearance between then and now. Huge difference ::MonkeyEek::Coke bloat...? Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Rob on June 29, 2010, 11:31:04 AM In any missing person investigation where the missing person is presumed to have been abducted - the LAST KNOW PERSON TO HAVE SEEN THE MISSING PERSON IS THE ABDUCTOR. It may not be the actual person who appears to be the last person to have seen the missing person. The Abductor is always the last.. This is the part that is unreported and for obvious reasons. I know that WE all know that - I'm just pointing that out for this purpose ->
See, something has allowed to the police to conclude that Terri's apparent declaration of watching Kyron walk to his class at roughly 8:45 am is not the LAST TIME SHE SAW HIM. Follow me here? The police have seemingly dismissed Kyron's classmate's eyewitness account and this person is not the last to have seen Kyron. Eyewitness accounts are notoriously wrong more often than not - but in this case - the police have something that allows them to conclude - with lack of video - that Terri Moulton has seen Kyron AFTER he went down stairs. That's my take on it currently. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: cw618 on June 29, 2010, 11:40:39 AM O/T i put link to a slide show from Saturdays search for Susan Powell
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=6666.msg1172383#msg1172383 Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: NewfieMonkey on June 29, 2010, 11:42:24 AM “Everything’s good,” she said, giving a thumbs up. “We heard that rumor. It’s just a rumor that needs to be squelched. Everything’s fine.”
Seriously? She said that? If so ... listen up Terri! EVERYTHING IS NOT FINE! YOUR STEP SON HAS BEEN MISSING FOR WEEKS! <rant over - back to work> Thanks for all the updates monkeys! Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Miki Monkey on June 29, 2010, 12:06:48 PM (http://i623.photobucket.com/albums/tt316/MikiMonkey_photo/09.gif) Good Morning Monkeys we have our monkey persona back I'm so happy.
Strangely, although I live here just outside Portland I have to come to the SM site for information on Kyron, I can't ever remember an investigation that has never required help almost from the beginning. There is little of value in the local newspapers and it would seem to me from the point they called off the search they knew what had happened, I expect we should be hearing something as soon as LE has their ducks in a row so to speak. (http://i623.photobucket.com/albums/tt316/MikiMonkey_photo/YouRock.gif) Thank you for new server.... Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 29, 2010, 12:09:07 PM (http://i623.photobucket.com/albums/tt316/MikiMonkey_photo/09.gif) Good Morning Monkeys we have our monkey persona back I'm so happy. Thank-you for that info. Sure seems odd there isn't much in the newspapers up there. ::MonkeyEek::Strangely, although I live here just outside Portland I have to come to the SM site for information on Kyron, I can't ever remember an investigation that has never required help almost from the beginning. There is little of value in the local newspapers and it would seem to me from the point they called off the search they knew what had happened, I expect we should be hearing something as soon as LE has their ducks in a row so to speak. (http://i623.photobucket.com/albums/tt316/MikiMonkey_photo/YouRock.gif) Thank you for new server.... Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: klaasend on June 29, 2010, 12:25:15 PM FYI - no new server yet and if things get too busy again we may have to disable avatars and smilies again.
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Miki Monkey on June 29, 2010, 12:37:18 PM FYI - no new server yet and if things get too busy again we may have to disable avatars and smilies again. Aww...I'm sorry I shouldn't have used the smileys, why don't we have a PayPal donation button so we can support our site and help a little to defray the costs of hosting and such? You can remove the smileys if it will help Klaas.. ::MonkeyCool:: Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Peace on June 29, 2010, 12:39:02 PM This was not post partum psychosis. "Postpartum psychosis is condition in which the person loses touch with reality," says Dr. Ralph Wittenberg, who runs a postpartum screening project in Washington, D.C. Mothers hear voices, see things and feel an irrational guilt that they've somehow done something wrong, he says. Without treatment, women may try to hurt themselves or those around them. The people in Terri's life would know if she had this disorder.
Post partum psychosis leads to impulsive disorganized behavior. Kyrons disappearance was not disorganized. This was planned well in advance, as it was thought of as a perfect opportunity by someone. That someone had to involve Terri because there were far too many things that would have made this abduction too high a risk for any other. Kyron would likely only break the rules and leave the school by instructions from a rule maker in his world. Would Terri risk being seen w/ Kyron in the car after leaving the school? Not likely. She would have an accomplice. This way, the finger cannot point back to her as easily. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Itaryl Moosee on June 29, 2010, 12:39:37 PM Right on, Newfie!
Things I would like to know: 1. Was divorce discussed prior Kyron's disappearance? Did she use Kyron's disappearance to keep a heartbroken Kaine by her side, kinda like a Munchausen mother does with a "sick" child? 2. Was sending Terri's bio-kid to live with his dad two weeks before Kyron's disappearance related to a divorce talk? As Terri knowing that she could land by her own self, and unable or unwilling to care for the older child? 3. Was the divorce filing the result of the polygraphs, or any other evidence collected by LE during Kyron's investigation? It's odd for a man to file for divorce from a loving and caring wife during such a tragic ordeal. 4. In order for Kaine to remove his toddler from the family home, and get a restraining order against Terri, there had to be proof that she is a danger to the child. Are restraining orders public records? 5. Was Terri having an affair? Was Kaine? 6. Was Terri fed up with her life and was acting up in rage and abuse towards others in the home? She was not working, she had not much of a social life, maybe money was limited for her private expenses, her husband was turning into a workaholic... she had nothing going for her. So, did she took her frustrations on others in the home, maybe those she saw as being the cause of her problems? 7. Let's not rule post partum depression. New mothers sometimes turn into monsters out of the blue, we've seen this before. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: klaasend on June 29, 2010, 12:41:22 PM FYI - no new server yet and if things get too busy again we may have to disable avatars and smilies again. Aww...I'm sorry I shouldn't have used the smileys, why don't we have a PayPal donation button so we can support our site and help a little to defray the costs of hosting and such? You can remove the smileys if it will help Klaas.. ::MonkeyCool:: Did I say your smilies were a problem? They aren't. It has more to do with the amount of traffic the entire site gets which includes the SM front page blog, Radio blog, Blink blog, MP blog and the SM forum. As far as a paypal button, all that is up to RED and I have nothing to do with it but I'll pass along the suggestion. Thanks! Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 29, 2010, 12:43:07 PM This was not post partum psychosis. "Postpartum psychosis is condition in which the person loses touch with reality," says Dr. Ralph Wittenberg, who runs a postpartum screening project in Washington, D.C. Mothers hear voices, see things and feel an irrational guilt that they've somehow done something wrong, he says. Without treatment, women may try to hurt themselves or those around them. The people in Terri's life would know if she had this disorder. What about postpartum depression, I had it very bad after the second child, but knew something was very wrong and got help. What if she had this and didn't seek help, it would only get worse. I have no idea what Terri has if anything, just wondered.Post partum psychosis leads to impulsive disorganized behavior. Kyrons disappearance was not disorganized. This was planned well in advance, as it was thought of as a perfect opportunity by someone. That someone had to involve Terri because there were far too many things that would have made this abduction too high a risk for any other. Kyron would likely only break the rules and leave the school by instructions from a rule maker in his world. Would Terri risk being seen w/ Kyron in the car after leaving the school? Not likely. She would have an accomplice. This way, the finger cannot point back to her as easily. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 29, 2010, 12:45:55 PM Itaryl Moosee excellent questions. Maybe we will find out some of these answers. And you are so right about what you said about postpartum depression ::MonkeyNoNo:: I don't know about restraining orders being public record.
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: cw618 on June 29, 2010, 12:56:59 PM This was not post partum psychosis. "Postpartum psychosis is condition in which the person loses touch with reality," says Dr. Ralph Wittenberg, who runs a postpartum screening project in Washington, D.C. Mothers hear voices, see things and feel an irrational guilt that they've somehow done something wrong, he says. Without treatment, women may try to hurt themselves or those around them. The people in Terri's life would know if she had this disorder. Post partum psychosis leads to impulsive disorganized behavior. Kyrons disappearance was not disorganized. This was planned well in advance, as it was thought of as a perfect opportunity by someone. That someone had to involve Terri because there were far too many things that would have made this abduction too high a risk for any other. Kyron would likely only break the rules and leave the school by instructions from a rule maker in his world. Would Terri risk being seen w/ Kyron in the car after leaving the school? Not likely. She would have an accomplice. This way, the finger cannot point back to her as easily. what if kyron was the accomplice, he would do what she asked him to do [he trusts her] TH tells him somrthing that would make him go outside, then she goes outside, now TH has him an know one knows, not sure if that seniro would work with the schools floorplan just thinking out the box Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: tcumom on June 29, 2010, 01:07:46 PM Just some random thoughts:
You know, it could be as simple as telling Kyron he left his lunch in the car, or she needed to give him something. Getting him out to the car. The substitute business. No doubt, the school has verified that, one way or another. Whenever we (teachers) are involved with Child Protective Services, court cases, etc., we are told in no uncertain terms, we are not to discuss anything....period. I know y'all probably know all this..guess I just needed to write it down. :-? Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: klaasend on June 29, 2010, 01:09:10 PM http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/judge_seals_restraining_order.html
(http://media.oregonlive.com/portland_impact/photo/terri-horman-061810jpg-8c07e0c2ca0f7b02_large.jpg) Judge seals restraining order in Terri Moulton Horman case Published: Tuesday, June 29, 2010, 9:21 AM Updated: Tuesday, June 29, 2010, 9:50 AM A Multnomah County Circuit Court judge has sealed the restraining order filed late Monday against Kyron Horman's stepmother. An assistant to Judge Keith Meisenheimer said the entire file has been sealed. Kaine Horman, Kyron's father, filed the request at 6 p.m. Meanwhile, television news crews and reporters this morning were at the home of Terri Moulton Horman. When an Oregonian reporter knocked at the door, Horman came to the door but declined to comment. On Monday, Horman was served with a petition for dissolution of marriage and a restraining order – both of which came as a surprise, sources told The Oregonian. Kyron, 7, disappeared June 4 from Skyline School. A massive search of the areas and on Sauvie Island turned up no clues. The sheriff's office has not commented on rumors that Terri Horman is a suspect. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: seahorse on June 29, 2010, 01:10:10 PM The following is a posters view. I needed to read it twice. ::MonkeyEek::
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/judge_seals_restraining_order.html#comments bbju June 29, 2010 at 9:58AM Follow This shows that the restraining order and divorce thing is done in a rush. The order was filed at 6pm, a time when most government agency has closed, right? And then a judge seemed to have worked late at night to seal the order..... So, it's not like Kaine wanted to file a divorce before the incident and it just happened now or something like that. Something is going to happen and they have to proceed with this before something. I kinda agree with a poster saying maybe the Horman family doesn't want to pay the bill of the attorney of the upcoming lawsuit. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 29, 2010, 01:15:38 PM The following is a posters view. I needed to read it twice. ::MonkeyEek:: Could be, and interesting about sealing the restraining order, and the time this all came down ::MonkeyEek::http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/judge_seals_restraining_order.html#comments bbju June 29, 2010 at 9:58AM Follow This shows that the restraining order and divorce thing is done in a rush. The order was filed at 6pm, a time when most government agency has closed, right? And then a judge seemed to have worked late at night to seal the order..... So, it's not like Kaine wanted to file a divorce before the incident and it just happened now or something like that. Something is going to happen and they have to proceed with this before something. I kinda agree with a poster saying maybe the Horman family doesn't want to pay the bill of the attorney of the upcoming lawsuit. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Wyks on June 29, 2010, 01:29:49 PM Darn I couldn't find it. I know I saw it and it gave me a sort of uneasy feeling somewhat. It must have been before May. I had gone through quite a few pages on her facebook when Kyron first disappeared.Hopefully, someone else may have captured the entire thing. I did notice she stated (before Kyron disappeared) going to the gym with Kitty so I guess she was working out again to some degree. Anyone know what Freddy's is? She mentions that she likes going to Freddy's. Yeah, it was probably earlier in May or before then. I remember you or someone else mentioning that. There's a Freddy's grocery store.. Fred Meyer. A Freddy's lounge.. Fat Freddy's Drop/Doug Fir Lounge. And a Freddy's roofing maintenance. lol Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Itaryl Moosee on June 29, 2010, 01:34:20 PM Sealing it could mean that the judge don't want the Hormans private affairs aired on the media, or could mean that it contains details related to the investigation into Kyron's disappearance.
IMO Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Wyks on June 29, 2010, 01:36:37 PM Something from a local: "KATU, our local Portland news, unfortunately didn't have any breaking news on Kyron. It's 4:30 am here, and all it said is a reporter from KATU spoke with Terri early evening and when she was made aware of the family statement (without her name), her response was "Wow". When asked about the divorce proceedings, she denied it, yet the reporter was still at the Horman home at 6pm last night when the papers were officially served, and KATU supposedly has a copy of the document. The reporter then tried to contact Terri, but she would not and has not responded to the news station yet." posted by treasure trove at: http://missingpersons.phpbb3now.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=69&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&start=230 (http://missingpersons.phpbb3now.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=69&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&start=230) Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: seahorse on June 29, 2010, 01:39:42 PM The following is a posters view. I needed to read it twice. ::MonkeyEek:: Could be, and interesting about sealing the restraining order, and the time this all came down ::MonkeyEek::http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/judge_seals_restraining_order.html#comments bbju June 29, 2010 at 9:58AM Follow This shows that the restraining order and divorce thing is done in a rush. The order was filed at 6pm, a time when most government agency has closed, right? And then a judge seemed to have worked late at night to seal the order..... So, it's not like Kaine wanted to file a divorce before the incident and it just happened now or something like that. Something is going to happen and they have to proceed with this before something. I kinda agree with a poster saying maybe the Horman family doesn't want to pay the bill of the attorney of the upcoming lawsuit. Yes, interesting. Kaine may be sealing his bank account, too? What if SM wanted access to their account? Does this mean their assets are frozen? TIA Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tracygirl on June 29, 2010, 01:46:51 PM I wonder if the statement Kaine made regarding his having to speak with Kyron about listening and minding the adults at the school has anything to do with this. They both seemed to think it could have put him into a vulnerable position. I wonder who Kyron was not listening to. Was it Terri or someone else? I don't see this as a snapping sort of crime. I think this has premeditation all over it. How do people plan something like this? My god, you must have no heart at all.
I was on blinks site, her thoughts on this is interesting. I agree that Terri herself didn't take him, but she put Kyron at risk due to something going on in her life. What would that be? Gambling? Drugs? Affair? Could this be because of a drug or gambling debt? Blink also said she first feared this was going to end up being something very dark. I agree with that statement as well. I think we all will end up being shocked and sickened by the end of this. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: NewfieMonkey on June 29, 2010, 01:53:50 PM Okay - I really need stop lurking and reading and get back to work!
but I just read the divorce petition on KATU ... he last lived in the home on 6/26 ... wonder what happened that day ... Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Claycat on June 29, 2010, 01:54:35 PM Wyks, have you heard anything else about Harry Oakes and his search?
Here is a link to Oakes's business site. His awards are listed on this page. (We aren't allowed to link to him at WS.) http://www.k9sardog.com/awards.html Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 29, 2010, 01:56:01 PM Okay - I really need stop lurking and reading and get back to work! Thanks, do you have the link on the divorce petition? Wonder what happened on 6/26?but I just read the divorce petition on KATU ... he last lived in the home on 6/26 ... wonder what happened that day ... Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: doubledecker on June 29, 2010, 01:56:13 PM klaas... it is okay if I start a thread and post the divorce documents?
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: NewfieMonkey on June 29, 2010, 02:00:29 PM Here's the link norose
http://images.bimedia.net/documents/Horman+divorce+papers.pdf Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 29, 2010, 02:02:02 PM Here's the link norose Thank-you ::MonkeyCool::http://images.bimedia.net/documents/Horman+divorce+papers.pdf Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: cw618 on June 29, 2010, 02:02:13 PM Darn I couldn't find it. I know I saw it and it gave me a sort of uneasy feeling somewhat. It must have been before May. I had gone through quite a few pages on her facebook when Kyron first disappeared.Hopefully, someone else may have captured the entire thing. I did notice she stated (before Kyron disappeared) going to the gym with Kitty so I guess she was working out again to some degree. Anyone know what Freddy's is? She mentions that she likes going to Freddy's. Yeah, it was probably earlier in May or before then. I remember you or someone else mentioning that. There's a Freddy's grocery store.. Fred Meyer. A Freddy's lounge.. Fat Freddy's Drop/Doug Fir Lounge. And a Freddy's roofing maintenance. lol cartfly maybe this blog will help http://ruthiessky.blogspot.com/2010/06/terri-moulton-hormans-facebook-wall.html Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: klaasend on June 29, 2010, 02:02:56 PM klaas... it is okay if I start a thread and post the divorce documents? Sure! Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: klaasend on June 29, 2010, 02:05:12 PM Okay - I really need stop lurking and reading and get back to work! Thanks, do you have the link on the divorce petition? Wonder what happened on 6/26?but I just read the divorce petition on KATU ... he last lived in the home on 6/26 ... wonder what happened that day ... Wasn't it Saturday the 26th that Terri was going to take the 2nd polygraph? Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: doubledecker on June 29, 2010, 02:05:41 PM klaas... it is okay if I start a thread and post the divorce documents? Sure! okay doing that now, hate to have them poof and no one have them. they are on my board too, but wanted to get them over here for you guys. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: doubledecker on June 29, 2010, 02:13:51 PM Okay the docs are posted on the kyron forum under KAINE HORMAN DIVORCE DOCUMENTS.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8198.new#new Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Wyks on June 29, 2010, 02:17:59 PM As other monkeys have said, the timing on this -- family statement that excludes Terri, and the TRO/divorce -- is rather strange. Kind of puts me in mind of Ron/Misty in the HaLeigh case, where many are convinced their marriage/divorce was a direct result of attempting to put pressure on one person for the truth.
Am gonna try not seeing all these latest developments as reason to conclude that Terri herself is the perp, the only perp, etc. This could very well have been done to isolate her further, put more pressure on her to crack with the truth. And then again too, it could be that she had everything to do with Kyron's having gone missing and where he is now. And the rest of the family is responding with horror and dismay and are backing away from her. We just don't know for sure yet, on anything. Even with stuff like this that is so public, it could all have been done as part of LE's tactics. My first clue that it all might be LE tactics, is that they told Kaine to take the baby out of their home. Trying hard to think what my own reaction might be. I could file for a TRO and remove the child from the home in one day, yes. And even tho I would very likely want to badly enough, not so sure I'd also be able to manage filing for a divorce and getting the judge to sign on everything........ and get er done....... all in one day. KWIM?? Guess it's possible to do, yet if so, seems that Kaine is one lucky man to have everything fall into place so easily, and so quickly. Cuz really.... how busy are our courts and such these days? So that's my second clue that it all might be LE tactics, the speed with which this has all been accomplished. I'm gonna just watch this develop and see what happens next. Gonna try not to add this to my 'Terri did it' theory, as proof. Not yet anyway. Wouldn't surprise me in the least, with the way things have progressed so far, while all eyes are on Terri.......... to have a sudden arrest of someone else instead. LE tactics. Am thinking that's what we have here. And of course, that's just my opinion... of the moment. ::MonkeyHaHa:: Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: cw618 on June 29, 2010, 02:20:20 PM pg 4 section 2 line 16
no other domestic relations suit or petition for support involving this marriage is pending in any other court of this or any other state, except as follows petitioner is submitting a petition for a family abuse prevention act restraining order contemporaneously with the filing of this petition http://images.bimedia.net/documents/Horman+divorce+papers.pdf Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Brandi on June 29, 2010, 02:21:40 PM Here's the link norose Thanks for that link, NM.http://images.bimedia.net/documents/Horman+divorce+papers.pdf Apparently this is the grounds for divorce, and apparently one has to live separate and apart for 6 months before the divorce can be finalized. (Just like here in VA) (http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/Image63-1.png) Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Brandi on June 29, 2010, 02:23:03 PM Also, according to the divorce papers, Kaine did move out on June 26.
(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/Image64-3.png) Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Brandi on June 29, 2010, 02:25:15 PM Okay the docs are posted on the kyron forum under KAINE HORMAN DIVORCE DOCUMENTS. Nice job there, DD ;-)http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8198.new#new Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 29, 2010, 02:28:05 PM Thanks DD, and he is asking for sole custody of the little girl.
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Wyks on June 29, 2010, 02:30:16 PM Wyks, have you heard anything else about Harry Oakes and his search? Here is a link to Oakes's business site. His awards are listed on this page. (We aren't allowed to link to him at WS.) http://www.k9sardog.com/awards.html Yes, am in touch. There is a huge support system now in place for this private search. People from at least 3 different countries are behind him, including locals, and we have rallied together. He has begun his search, has specific places in mind on where to search, and would like to keep those areas out of the media. I can report back in general, but not in more specific ways yet. To the last of my knowledge, he is working without Kyron's scent, which will likely take quite some time, given the different places that are to be searched. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 29, 2010, 02:32:08 PM Wyks, have you heard anything else about Harry Oakes and his search? Here is a link to Oakes's business site. His awards are listed on this page. (We aren't allowed to link to him at WS.) http://www.k9sardog.com/awards.html Yes, am in touch. There is a huge support system now in place for this private search. People from at least 3 different countries are behind him, including locals, and we have rallied together. He has begun his search, has specific places in mind on where to search, and would like to keep those areas out of the media. I can report back in general, but not in more specific ways yet. To the last of my knowledge, he is working without Kyron's scent, which will likely take quite some time, given the different places that are to be searched. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: NewfieMonkey on June 29, 2010, 02:34:21 PM Okay - I really need stop lurking and reading and get back to work! Thanks, do you have the link on the divorce petition? Wonder what happened on 6/26?but I just read the divorce petition on KATU ... he last lived in the home on 6/26 ... wonder what happened that day ... Wasn't it Saturday the 26th that Terri was going to take the 2nd polygraph? I give him credit for not beating the crap outta her before he left ... Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Peace on June 29, 2010, 02:38:17 PM If this was a result of Post partum depression or psychosis, the symptoms displayed prior to homicide would have likely come out by now such as in the statement by Terri’s father. These disorders are not easy to hide from others as they can be debilitating. Furthermore, they usually occur soon after birth, not 15 months later. Andrea Yates was hospitalized a number of times and people were warned that she should not be left alone with her children. Her symptoms were not subtle. She did not go from normal to psychosis overnight. If this was a matter of post partum, Terri has rights as this is legal as well as medically defined insanity. Law enforcement (FBI) would have handled this differently if this were the case, as they are professional behaviorists, I am only a student of the behavioral sciences. Fact is the mentally ill have rights, and if she were mentally ill, and the family knew, and did not help her, I don't think restraining orders and divorce proceeding would be happening as they are.
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Claycat on June 29, 2010, 02:45:28 PM Thank you, Wyks! Maybe Harry could check and see if Tanner has an item that Kyron's scent might be on.
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 29, 2010, 02:46:43 PM There was scanner activity at 5:18pm on the 26th, as threat in driveway at Horman address. 5:24pm repeated address. That's all that is listed/that is all that came over the scanner. ::MonkeyEek:: Saw this on WS on Kyron's scanner link for member's only. Don't know if it was an altercation that happened with family members or not.
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Claycat on June 29, 2010, 02:47:09 PM Tanner and his grandmother talked to the media. They might be willing to help Harry.
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Wyks on June 29, 2010, 02:47:28 PM Thank you, Wyks! Maybe Harry could check and see if Tanner has an item that Kyron's scent might be on. Thanks Claycat, that's a great idea! ::dogwag:: Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Claycat on June 29, 2010, 02:49:08 PM There was scanner activity at 5:18pm on the 26th, as threat in driveway at Horman address. 5:24pm repeated address. That's all that is listed/that is all that came over the scanner. ::MonkeyEek:: Saw this on WS on Kyron's scanner link for member's only. Don't know if it was an altercation that happened with family members or not. Wow! I guess that may be when Kaine left with the little girl. Thanks! I had missed that. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Claycat on June 29, 2010, 02:50:20 PM Thank you, Wyks! Maybe Harry could check and see if Tanner has an item that Kyron's scent might be on. Thanks Claycat, that's a great idea! ::dogwag:: :) I just want Kyron to be found! Whatever it takes! Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Wyks on June 29, 2010, 02:51:47 PM Have you guys seen Kyron's diorama (in his sci project) up close? At the top left is a lil monkey. ::MonkeyDance:: And a 'red-eyed-tree-frog' is also called a 'monkey frog' because it is extremely dexterous.
(http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq117/Wyks_/Kyron/diorama-closeup.jpg) Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Brandi on June 29, 2010, 02:53:23 PM Thank you, Wyks! Maybe Harry could check and see if Tanner has an item that Kyron's scent might be on. Thanks Claycat, that's a great idea! ::dogwag:: I also thought the teacher might have something with his scent on it. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Claycat on June 29, 2010, 02:54:36 PM Thank you, Wyks! Maybe Harry could check and see if Tanner has an item that Kyron's scent might be on. Thanks Claycat, that's a great idea! ::dogwag:: I also thought the teacher might have something with his scent on it. That is also a great idea, Brandi! Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 29, 2010, 02:55:21 PM There was scanner activity at 5:18pm on the 26th, as threat in driveway at Horman address. 5:24pm repeated address. That's all that is listed/that is all that came over the scanner. ::MonkeyEek:: Saw this on WS on Kyron's scanner link for member's only. Don't know if it was an altercation that happened with family members or not. Wow! I guess that may be when Kaine left with the little girl. Thanks! I had missed that. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 29, 2010, 02:56:31 PM That sure is a great project for such a young boy ::MonkeyAngel::
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Claycat on June 29, 2010, 03:08:01 PM That sure is a great project for such a young boy ::MonkeyAngel:: I was amazed at his artwork, too! It is advanced for a child that age. Or was... :sad: Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Itaryl Moosee on June 29, 2010, 03:22:32 PM IMO, school projects are assigned so that parents can sit with their children and teach them how to do the project.
I have helped a few youngins in my family, and taught them how to do backgrounds, how to use a nice font, how to blend colors, where to sit the pictures, etc... I have found that even a 5 year old can learn just about everything, and after they learn something one time, the next time they can do it themselves. IF the parents do the projects, and don't sit with the child and teach them how it's done, it teaches the kid that they are not capable of doing a good job and their self-esteem really suffers... even if they bring an exceptional project to school. I think that most teachers expect a certain ushering by the parents. :) Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Claycat on June 29, 2010, 03:25:40 PM That's true! I worked with my son on his school projects.
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Wyks on June 29, 2010, 03:29:43 PM Seamus O Riley, the Statement Analysis guy, has a new post up.... I love this guy! If you haven't checked out his site, might want to do so. He has analysis for many cases, this one, HaLeigh's, Caylee's, etc, with comments from readers below his posts. IMO, the articles are a great read and informative!!! ::rhino:: Here's his latest, for those who cannot get to his site right now: Kyron's Family Statement Tuesday, June 29, 2010 http://seamusoriley.blogspot.com/ (http://seamusoriley.blogspot.com/) Horman Family statement We have been fully briefed by law enforcement on the on-going criminal investigation. We are in complete support of that investigation. We have asked the Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office to facilitate releasing this statement for us due to their access to the media/flash news. We understand that we have free access to the media but are limiting statements to the media to keep the integrity of the investigation intact. Any actions taken by the investigation, or by us, are based on the best interests of Kyron and Kiara and comply with the law. Beyond this, we have no comment on the matter. Desiree, Tony and Kaine <bolded below by Seamus> "We have been fully briefed" is different than "we have been briefed". In this statement, the extra words give us additional information. Being "fully" briefed implies that previously, they have been less than "fully" briefed (only "briefed") and the "fullness" of the information is likely the reason why this once united family no longer has the step mother's signature. "on going criminal investigation" are specifically chosen words that are horrific for parents to utter. They would rather have said to have been briefed on the "search" but they didn't. This statement is in correlation with the police. "complete" support rather than "support" confirms the earlier analysis (see previous family statements analyzed) where there was distance and a fracture between the entire family (including step mom) and law enforcement. This sensitivity added may indicate that they were not "completely" supportive previously and the change where step mother's signature is missing indicates the reason for the change. This is an important statement. Also note that this family has not sought media attention for themselves, but only to keep Kyron's picture in the public view. No talk show circuit, no marketing of Kyron's pictures, names, etc. They went on reluctantly and mom could not hide her disdain for step mom. They released (not sold) video to heighten public awareness. As previous analysis showed, the Mom does not know what happened to Kyron. It would appear that the dad is moving away from his wife, step mom In Scientific Content Analysis, we not only look at the words used, but missing words as well. Step mom's absence speaks volumes. I think it is likely that this case is coming to a head, and we will hear about Kyron's behaviors (ADHD) from the step mother's attorney. We may also learn what is in any protection order that a judge allegedly signed. I hope to keep the latest analysis up, and appreciate viewers posting the statements for analysis. On a personal note, my son is 8 years old. This cuts close to the bone and is beyond sad. The mother's letter to her son should be revisited. Mom and Dad's post event media appearance behavior points to how innocent parents act in a tragedy. There is, in spite of Cindy Anthony's claims to the contrary, a "book" or studies on how parents behave. The parents have had their lives ripped apart and have had no desire to market or exploit this tragedy. They were honest and straight forward; no passive language (used to conceal), no selling of pictures, videos, book rights, or dolls. This is what victims look like: lost, befuddled, angry, scared, and terribly hurt. Their concern is the "integrity of the investigation", which is the natural anger that grieving parents feel. At this point, they may now believe Kyron to be dead. I would not be surprised to hear the father begin to use past tense language (Morgan Harrington's dad) as he may accept this first, to be strong for the family, but I expect Mom to slip between past and present tense, as she struggles to accept what it is that the police have shared with them. If sharing information with a family corrupts an investigation, it makes sense not to. But to keep a family "in the dark" (I hope to write about Dr. and Mrs Harrington's loss of their daughter, Morgan), is cruel and unfair. I get a sense from the tone of the statement that they know. Normally, we would call "fully" briefed "sensitive", but we remain flexible given the dynamics of the case, and recognize that "fully" may not be sensitive in the sense of "less confident", but rather due to the change of people making the statement (sans step mother). Our prayers continue. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 29, 2010, 03:32:41 PM Thanks Wyks ::MonkeyAngel::
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Claycat on June 29, 2010, 03:33:06 PM Thank you for posting that, Wyks. I'm pleased we can access good information like that here.
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: seahorse on June 29, 2010, 03:39:33 PM There was scanner activity at 5:18pm on the 26th, as threat in driveway at Horman address. 5:24pm repeated address. That's all that is listed/that is all that came over the scanner. ::MonkeyEek:: Saw this on WS on Kyron's scanner link for member's only. Don't know if it was an altercation that happened with family members or not. Wow! I guess that may be when Kaine left with the little girl. Thanks! I had missed that. Claycat good work peeping. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Wyks on June 29, 2010, 03:59:21 PM You're welcome Rosie and Claycat!
Seamus O Riley (peter) has been asked about why he mentions ADHD in his analysis. He responds in his comments section, can go there to read more fully what he says. https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=34799002&postID=2292547104899111996 (https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=34799002&postID=2292547104899111996) Basically, what he said about ADHD is his guess, based on the supposed paperwork that Terri needed the teacher to fill out. (which he concedes may not have truly happened, or just said by Terri to establish an alibi etc). At any rate, his guess is that perhaps Kyron was having ADHD acting-out behaviors, and maybe Terri snapped. And as a parent who raised 2 sons with ADHD, and one with ADD....... oh yesssssssssssss there can be times when...... lol.. oh yeah. Thankfully the good majority of us didn't act on what we 'could have' at the time. I still look back and wonder how my sons and I managed to get thru those growing years with everyone alive and me not in prison. ::MonkeyEek:: ADHD kids can be OMG challenging to the max!!!!!!! If this is what happened with Terri, if she suddenly had ENOUGH!! and snapped........ well.. ermm.. I still won't cut her any slack, cuz there is a brief moment where she could have chosen to walk away and calm down, regroup, deal with the situ later. I know that moment well. And know other parents do too. And here still sit our kids/teens/young adults, who had or still have ADD/ADHD, alive and well, even if a bit rough around the edges for the experiences we've all been thru. IMO. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Brandi on June 29, 2010, 04:00:03 PM (http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/Kyron/kyron-missing.png) Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Wyks on June 29, 2010, 04:03:45 PM Awwwww Brandi!!!!!!!!! You've outdone yourself, m'dear! ::MonkeyDance:: That is my most fav pic of Kyron.... His smile reaches his eyes. Love that pic with the froggies and note added. Thank you!
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: seahorse on June 29, 2010, 04:04:21 PM There was scanner activity at 5:18pm on the 26th, as threat in driveway at Horman address. 5:24pm repeated address. That's all that is listed/that is all that came over the scanner. ::MonkeyEek:: Saw this on WS on Kyron's scanner link for member's only. Don't know if it was an altercation that happened with family members or not. Wow! I guess that may be when Kaine left with the little girl. Thanks! I had missed that. Claycat good work peeping. Hello ClayCat & Monkey's, http://www.radioreference.com/apps/audio/?stid=41 A fellow Monkey posted this link a few days ago, sorry, please, forgive...I can't remember the fellow monkey. Can you look up an June 26 incident from this gizmo scanner? Do you need to register? Thank-you. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: flutter1 on June 29, 2010, 04:06:08 PM Awwwww Brandi!!!!!!!!! You've outdone yourself, m'dear! ::MonkeyDance:: That is my most fav pic of Kyron.... His smile reaches his eyes. Love that pic with the froggies and note added. Thank you! I agree -- very well done:) Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: seahorse on June 29, 2010, 04:10:25 PM (http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/Kyron/kyron-missing.png) Brandi, You keep the warm heart memories smoldering. May I, please, ask do you have Kyron's "car seat" photo? He is about two years old, wearing glasses and a smile. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Brandi on June 29, 2010, 04:14:59 PM Seahorse, I don't know of that car seat photo, but I'll search for it for you.
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 29, 2010, 04:23:08 PM Awwwww Brandi!!!!!!!!! You've outdone yourself, m'dear! ::MonkeyDance:: That is my most fav pic of Kyron.... His smile reaches his eyes. Love that pic with the froggies and note added. Thank you! That is a great picture Brandi, thank-you. Wyks early on in this case I saw mention on another forum about Kyron having ADHD or ADD, I remember asking on here if anyone else read that. I don't know if people were thinking he may have that or if they knew.Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Brandi on June 29, 2010, 04:23:24 PM Seahorse, I don't know of that car seat photo, but I'll search for it for you. (http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/Kyron/Kyron_Horman_062510_015_2_540x405.jpg) This one, Seahorse? Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tracygirl on June 29, 2010, 04:29:32 PM (http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/Kyron/kyron-missing.png) Brandi, You keep the warm heart memories smoldering. May I, please, ask do you have Kyron's "car seat" photo? He is about two years old, wearing glasses and a smile. Aww Brandi this is so cute. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Wyks on June 29, 2010, 04:32:47 PM Awwwww Brandi!!!!!!!!! You've outdone yourself, m'dear! ::MonkeyDance:: That is my most fav pic of Kyron.... His smile reaches his eyes. Love that pic with the froggies and note added. Thank you! That is a great picture Brandi, thank-you. Wyks early on in this case I saw mention on another forum about Kyron having ADHD or ADD, I remember asking on here if anyone else read that. I don't know if people were thinking he may have that or if they knew.Don't think anyone knows yet for sure, Rosie. Just speculation based on what we've read so far. Now that LE seems to be willing to confirm some things, perhaps we'll learn more in the coming days. ::CowboySmiley:: Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 29, 2010, 04:36:32 PM Awwwww Brandi!!!!!!!!! You've outdone yourself, m'dear! ::MonkeyDance:: That is my most fav pic of Kyron.... His smile reaches his eyes. Love that pic with the froggies and note added. Thank you! That is a great picture Brandi, thank-you. Wyks early on in this case I saw mention on another forum about Kyron having ADHD or ADD, I remember asking on here if anyone else read that. I don't know if people were thinking he may have that or if they knew.Don't think anyone knows yet for sure, Rosie. Just speculation based on what we've read so far. Now that LE seems to be willing to confirm some things, perhaps we'll learn more in the coming days. ::CowboySmiley:: Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: newfie on June 29, 2010, 04:49:04 PM Great pics of Kyron. You can call me crazy but if I were in Terri's shoes and if I were innocent of this, I would screaming from the rooftops, filing for custody of my daughter, hiring a P.I. to find Kyron, and out there looking for him myself! If Terri is innocent she needs to put on her big girl panties and get cracking. No man would ever take away my child from me! There is a time to cry and a time to fight for justice. But since this has not happened, and now we know that Kaine left on Saturday, guilt is written all over this. She is guilty in some way or another. I just do not know how, and I am wondering if LE does know and passed that info. to Kaine??
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: klaasend on June 29, 2010, 04:49:39 PM (http://www.kptv.com/2010/0624/24024703_320X240.jpg)
Restraining Order Against Kyron's Stepmom Sealed POSTED: 11:05 am PDT June 29, 2010 UPDATED: 11:42 am PDT June 29, 2010 PORTLAND, Ore. -- A restraining order filed against the stepmother of missing 7-year-old Kyron Horman has been sealed until further notice, according to a judge's clerk. Kaine Horman filed for divorce and a family abuse prevention act restraining order Monday against Terri Horman, who deputies said was the last person to see Kyron on the day he disappeared from Skyline School in northwest Portland. The judge sealed the restraining order to prevent it from compromising the investigation into Kyron's disappearance, according to the clerk in Judge Keith Meisenheimer's office. Kaine Horman's divorce petition asked that he receive sole custody of Kiara Horman, an 18-month-old girl who is the only common child in his marriage with Terri Horman. The reason for filing the petition was listed as "irreconcilable differences." A statement Monday from Kaine Horman, Desiree Young (Kyron's biological mother) and Tony Young (Kyron's stepfather) said the family was fully briefed by law enforcement and they support the ongoing criminal investigation. Terri Horman was not listed on the statement. "Any actions taken by the investigation, or by us, are based on the best interests of Kyron and Kiara and comply with the law," the statement said. Kyron's disappearance is currently a criminal investigation. Multnomah County sheriff's deputies said he was last seen June 4 at an early-morning school science fair. His disappearance was reported by family later that afternoon when he did not turn up at his school bus stop, deputies said. In the days that followed, authorities led a massive ground-search operation that was one of the biggest search efforts in Oregon history. It involved more than 40 law enforcement agencies and hundreds of searchers. Deputies have not said whether any evidence was found during the search, which covered several areas, including those around Skyline School and the Horman family's home. Investigators released a flier earlier this month that included photos of Terri Horman and her truck in hopes of sparking new leads, but there have been no persons of interest or suspects named in the case. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: MuffyBee on June 29, 2010, 04:49:48 PM (http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/Kyron/kyron-missing.png) Brandi-, may I please have your permission to use this pic and your nice artwork for the header on the next thread for Kyron? Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Brandi on June 29, 2010, 04:54:24 PM Great pics of Kyron. You can call me crazy but if I were in Terri's shoes and if I were innocent of this, I would screaming from the rooftops, filing for custody of my daughter, hiring a P.I. to find Kyron, and out there looking for him myself! If Terri is innocent she needs to put on her big girl panties and get cracking. No man would ever take away my child from me! There is a time to cry and a time to fight for justice. But since this has not happened, and now we know that Kaine left on Saturday, guilt is written all over this. She is guilty in some way or another. I just do not know how, and I am wondering if LE does know and passed that info. to Kaine?? BBM. All points to yes, AFAICS. I also agree that Terri should have been acting more like a concerned parent (or step-parent) as soon as Kyron went missing and still should be. I don't think she has been acting that way, myself. Posting stuff that has nothing to do with Kyron on her myspace page is one indication to me. There would be NOTHING on my mind but making sure my child at home was being taken care of and searching for Kyron if i were her. JMO. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Brandi on June 29, 2010, 04:55:24 PM (http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/Kyron/kyron-missing.png) Brandi-, may I please have your permission to use this pic and your nice artwork for the header on the next thread for Kyron? Sure, Muffy. ::MonkeyAngel:: Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 29, 2010, 04:57:17 PM Great pics of Kyron. You can call me crazy but if I were in Terri's shoes and if I were innocent of this, I would screaming from the rooftops, filing for custody of my daughter, hiring a P.I. to find Kyron, and out there looking for him myself! If Terri is innocent she needs to put on her big girl panties and get cracking. No man would ever take away my child from me! There is a time to cry and a time to fight for justice. But since this has not happened, and now we know that Kaine left on Saturday, guilt is written all over this. She is guilty in some way or another. I just do not know how, and I am wondering if LE does know and passed that info. to Kaine?? I couldn't agree with you more. No way would any man take my child away from me either. Since I really don't know much about these situations, and I guess Kaine had a right to take the child and leave, but it sure seems odd to me that this was allowed to happen. Is this rather an extraordinary situation where a parent takes a child like he has, and files for divorce right away, does Terri have no rights at all in this situation? Then again, I have no idea what kind of info the police have all given to Kaine.Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: MuffyBee on June 29, 2010, 05:04:48 PM (http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/Kyron/kyron-missing.png) Brandi-, may I please have your permission to use this pic and your nice artwork for the header on the next thread for Kyron? Sure, Muffy. ::MonkeyAngel:: Thank you Brandi. My eldest son wore eyeglasses when he was young and the pictures of Kyron really tug at my heart, reminding me of my own child. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Brandi on June 29, 2010, 05:09:27 PM Great pics of Kyron. You can call me crazy but if I were in Terri's shoes and if I were innocent of this, I would screaming from the rooftops, filing for custody of my daughter, hiring a P.I. to find Kyron, and out there looking for him myself! If Terri is innocent she needs to put on her big girl panties and get cracking. No man would ever take away my child from me! There is a time to cry and a time to fight for justice. But since this has not happened, and now we know that Kaine left on Saturday, guilt is written all over this. She is guilty in some way or another. I just do not know how, and I am wondering if LE does know and passed that info. to Kaine?? I couldn't agree with you more. No way would any man take my child away from me either. Since I really don't know much about these situations, and I guess Kaine had a right to take the child and leave, but it sure seems odd to me that this was allowed to happen. Is this rather an extraordinary situation where a parent takes a child like he has, and files for divorce right away, does Terri have no rights at all in this situation? Then again, I have no idea what kind of info the police have all given to Kaine.Well, we seem to have caught Terri in a lie. We know by the divorce papers that Kaine and his daughter moved out to an undisclosed location on Sat., June 25. And yesterday, June 28, Terri reportedly denied that by saying: "It's just a rumor that needs to be squelched. Everything's fine." http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/kyron_hormans_stepmom_terri_mo.html "Approached earlier in the day at her home in Northwest Portland, she had denied a report by KPTV 12/Fox TV news that her husband, Kaine Horman, and 18-month-old daughter, Kiara, had moved out. "Everything's good," she said, giving a thumbs up. "We heard that rumor. It's just a rumor that needs to be squelched. Everything's fine." Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: Tamikosmom on June 29, 2010, 05:09:36 PM Somehow I suspect that the truth has been revealed ... an arrest is anticipated. and ... all the i's are being dotted and all the ti's are being crossed. This may be the reason that Kyron's father has custody of his little daughter. IMO
Janet ______ Examiner Bio Kyron Horman's family prepares in case an arrest is made of the missing boy's step-mother June 29, 12:33 PM Portland, Ore. - according to Willamette Weekly (WW), Kyron Horman's family prepares for the worst in case an arrest is made of the missing boy's step-mother. The second-grader who disappeared June 4th after his school science fair, has been the subject of an intense investigation. His step-mother, Terri Moulton Horman, was the last to see the 7-year-old boy as he walked down the school hallway to his classroom. At 6 p.m. Monday, Terri Horman was served with divorce papers and a restraining order from Kyron's father, Kaine Horman. Although Kyron's step-mom hasn't been arrested in the missing boy's case, nor is an official suspect, it appears the rest of his family is preparing in the event that happens. Kyron's step-mom at the center of plan by corrections staff A source at the Multnomah County Corrections Division indicated that a plan had been in the process for about two weeks regarding Kyron's step-mom if she's arrested. WW learned from the source that corrections staff have been planning to immediately notify Corrections Health Director Gayle Burrow along with a mental health staff if an arrest is made on Terri. The source confirms to WW the reason behind getting the mental health staff involved is so an evaluation can be performed on Kyron's step-mother and put her on suicide watch when if need be if she's in custody. Terri Moulton Horman is not a suspect, this is just preparation It's important to reiterate Kyron Horman's step-mother is not an official suspect and has not been arrested. However, Terri has been under intense scrutiny by authorities since the disappearance of her stepson. She has completed two polygraphs and has been questioned for many hours in the investigation. Kyron Horman's family prepares for the worst with Terri Moulton Horman It's not known what caused Kaine Horman to file divorce papers accompanied with a restraining order against his wife. It's unsettling to see a family, which has been portrayed in the media as close-knit, fall victim to a fractured state throughout the investigation. Kyron's father and step-mom share an 18-month-old daughter, Kiara, and as of Monday, she and Kaine moved out, leaving Terri alone. This case has a mystery that deepens with each day. Will Kyron's step-mother be arrested or is the Horman family so distraught, their bond is being challenged? http://www.examiner.com/x-52289-Portland-Pop-Culture-Examiner~y2010m6d29-Kyron-Hormans-family-prepares-in-case-an-arrest-is-made-of-the-missing-boys-stepmother Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: Wyks on June 29, 2010, 05:18:07 PM Well.. here's a fact we can run to the bank with!!!!
"The divorce petition states that the petitioner (Kaine) is not currently pregnant." ::MonkeyHaHa:: This was read over in the comments section at Blink's. June 29, 2010 at 2:43 pm http://blinkoncrime.com/2010/06/29/kyron-horman-missing-and-endangered-kaine-horman-files-for-restraining-order-and-divorce-from-terri-horman/#comments (http://blinkoncrime.com/2010/06/29/kyron-horman-missing-and-endangered-kaine-horman-files-for-restraining-order-and-divorce-from-terri-horman/#comments) Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: seahorse on June 29, 2010, 05:24:36 PM Seahorse, I don't know of that car seat photo, but I'll search for it for you. (http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/Kyron/Kyron_Horman_062510_015_2_540x405.jpg) This one, Seahorse? Brandi! Yes, THANK-YOU! Glorious. Cyber Hugs! Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: NewfieMonkey on June 29, 2010, 05:29:32 PM http://www.koinlocal6.com/content/news/topstories/story/Kaine-Hormans-restraining-order-could-be-unsealed/Dz4uMChK60KCWjy3W5FG4Q.cspx
Quoted from that story: The restraining order was sealed Monday by Judge Keith Meisenheimer. KOIN Local 6 is joining with other media asking the judge to unseal the restraining order that has apparently been issued against Terri Moulton Horman. KOIN Local 6 feels this is of high public interest and the more information revealed in this case means a greater likelihood there will be answers about what happened to Kyron Horman. As much as I'd like to know what LE knows ... I'd also like them to have a case that hasn't been leaked all over hecks half acre when it goes to trial. I hope the courts refuse to unseal it. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: klaasend on June 29, 2010, 05:31:25 PM http://www.kgw.com/news/Second-grade-student-missing-from-Skyline-Elementary-95670454.html
Terri Horman restricted from guns and parenting by KGW.com Staff Posted on June 26, 2010 at 5:15 PM Updated today at 2:17 PM PORTLAND -- The father of missing Portland boy Kyron Horman has filed for divorce, obtained a restraining order against his wife and moved out with their young daughter. The restraining order was sealed by Multnomah County Circuit Judge Keith Meisenheimer, who handles family law. However, the abuse prevent petition showed that Terri Moulton-Horman was granted no parenting time and restricted from accessing firearms. Kaine Horman was granted sole child custody, although no children were specifically named in the documents (snipped) Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: Wyks on June 29, 2010, 05:31:49 PM I totally agree, NewfieMonkey!!
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: klaasend on June 29, 2010, 05:33:47 PM http://www.koinlocal6.com/content/news/topstories/story/Kaine-Hormans-restraining-order-could-be-unsealed/Dz4uMChK60KCWjy3W5FG4Q.cspx
Kaine Horman's restraining order could be unsealed Last Update: 1:57 pm PORTLAND, Ore. - Court documents show the father of a missing 7-year-old Oregon boy has filed for divorce from the boy's stepmother, Terri Moulton Horman. A dissolution petition listing Kaine Horman as the petitioner and Terri Moulton Horman as the respondent was filed Monday in Multnomah County Circuit Court. Divorce documents state that Kaine moved out of their rural Northwest Portland home on June 26. It does not list his current residence. The petition does mention the following: "The petitioner (Kaine Horman) is submitting a petition for a family abuse prevention act restraining order contemporaneously with the filing of this petition." The restraining order was sealed Monday by Judge Keith Meisenheimer. KOIN Local 6 is joining with other media asking the judge to unseal the restraining order that has apparently been issued against Terri Moulton Horman. KOIN Local 6 feels this is of high public interest and the more information revealed in this case means a greater likelihood there will be answers about what happened to Kyron Horman. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: Rob on June 29, 2010, 05:37:48 PM I'll be the first to admit I don't know what happened to Kyron. I haven't read everything in this case and do not know as much as other posters.
All that said - it doesn't seem that the police are convinced what happened either. And that's just my opinion. I guess that Terri failed the second polygraph or it came back inconclusive. But I really don't know. I do know - I wouldn't know what to do if my child was missing. I think we could all say - we would do this, we would do that, but the reality is - we don't know what we would do and time probably stops moving. I don't know for sure if Terri did anything, I really don't. Based on what has been put out in the public domain I can draw some conclusions as to what the police think. But what do they really have? They need more than failed polygraphs, and more than contradicting statements - and more than cell phone triangulation. Sure that paints a picture, but absent any physical forensic bodily type evidence - I'm not sure they could arrest her for anything other than obstruction and / or lying to the police about her whereabouts. She could have a reason for making misleading statements. And no, I'm not defending anyone here, I only care that Kyron is found, but so far I see alot of finger pointing and nothing to back it up - to me that's cruel. I don't think any law enforcement bureau should be able to make undue accusations without some foundation based on material evidence and fact. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: Wyks on June 29, 2010, 05:46:01 PM Mr Oakes will not be giving daily updates or announcements of any kind to the public. He is putting all of his efforts and energy into finding Kyron, that we can know for a certainty. Any findings will be given to LE, so they can decide what can or cannot be released to the public, in order to keep from jeopardizing the case. All we as the public can do, is to continue to wait and pray for Kyron's return. We can send power thoughts to the universe that will give those searchers much renewed strength and determination. And know too, that Mr Oakes makes sure that as each day passes, the dogs searching are well cared for, even emotionally. Search dogs can become frustrated and depressed, if not taken care of properly, and Mr Oakes understands this and works with them to avoid that. ::dogwag:: Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: Rob on June 29, 2010, 05:53:19 PM So are the police alleging that Terri owns a gun? or has a history of using a gun in the commission of a crime?
It's getting deep ::MonkeyNoNo:: I hope these cops are not singularly focused and in the end wrong. I know that many believe that the school was too "occupied" with people and parents in for the science fair, but you know children have been abducted from a house when the parents were in another room. I think I'll wait to see if there are charges before hoping on the bandwagon. I'm a fence sitter. ::MonkeyHaHa:: Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: NewfieMonkey on June 29, 2010, 05:57:46 PM **respectful snippy snip ** And know too, that Mr Oakes makes sure that as each day passes, the dogs searching are well cared for, even emotionally. Search dogs can become frustrated and depressed, if not taken care of properly, and Mr Oakes understands this and works with them to avoid that. ::dogwag:: That brought two things to my mind .. 1. That many of us take better care of our pets than some people do of their children 2. I bet Kyron's cat is really missing him ... I hope he/she got to move with Kaine Positive thoughts and karma to Mr. Oates. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: Wyks on June 29, 2010, 06:00:24 PM So are the police alleging that Terri owns a gun? or has a history of using a gun in the commission of a crime? It's getting deep ::MonkeyNoNo:: I hope these cops are not singularly focused and in the end wrong. I know that many believe that the school was too "occupied" with people and parents in for the science fair, but you know children have been abducted from a house when the parents were in another room. I think I'll wait to see if there are charges before hoping on the bandwagon. I'm a fence sitter. ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: Rob, am thinking that fence is getting mighty full. lol There seems to be no helping for that tho, with so many different possibilities in this case. It's mind-boggling at best. IMO. Soooo skoooch on over, plz. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: klaasend on June 29, 2010, 06:00:32 PM So are the police alleging that Terri owns a gun? or has a history of using a gun in the commission of a crime? It's getting deep ::MonkeyNoNo:: I hope these cops are not singularly focused and in the end wrong. I know that many believe that the school was too "occupied" with people and parents in for the science fair, but you know children have been abducted from a house when the parents were in another room. I think I'll wait to see if there are charges before hoping on the bandwagon. I'm a fence sitter. ::MonkeyHaHa:: I don't think the police are alleging anything but it's said that is part of the restraining order. So I'm guessing that Kaine is saying that either she has threatened with a gun or has access to a gun and he fears it. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: klaasend on June 29, 2010, 06:03:49 PM I am not a fellow fence sitter but for those that are, you may like this:
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/sitting-on-the-fence-emoticon.gif) Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: NewfieMonkey on June 29, 2010, 06:05:12 PM Have to go OT for just a second ...
klaas - have you always had the "tyranical ruler" under your pic?! I JUST noticed it ... and now have diet coke coming out my nose! ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: I hate that! Okay ... back on topic Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: Brandi on June 29, 2010, 06:14:32 PM So are the police alleging that Terri owns a gun? or has a history of using a gun in the commission of a crime? It's getting deep ::MonkeyNoNo:: I hope these cops are not singularly focused and in the end wrong. I know that many believe that the school was too "occupied" with people and parents in for the science fair, but you know children have been abducted from a house when the parents were in another room. I think I'll wait to see if there are charges before hoping on the bandwagon. I'm a fence sitter. ::MonkeyHaHa:: I am thinking that the gun stuff is just normal restrictions for someone under a restraining order there. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: klaasend on June 29, 2010, 06:16:24 PM Have to go OT for just a second ... klaas - have you always had the "tyranical ruler" under your pic?! I JUST noticed it ... and now have diet coke coming out my nose! ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: I hate that! Okay ... back on topic For a long time, ever since someone who has been banned here accused me of being one, LOL ::MonkeyHaHa:: Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: klaasend on June 29, 2010, 06:20:13 PM http://www.osbar.org/public/diy/RestrainingOrderHearings.html
Restraining Order Hearings If a family or household member has threatened you with violence or abused you, the Oregon Family Abuse Prevention Act (FAPA) can help protect you. Under FAPA, you can get an order stating that the abuser cannot contact you or come to your home, school, or workplace. In some cases the court can order the abuser to leave the family home of the victim. To qualify for a FAPA restraining order, you must be able to show that: 1. The violence or threats occurred within 180 days of your petition; 2. The abuser intentionally or recklessly caused or tried to cause bodily harm or placed you in fear of serious harm; and 3. The abuser is a spouse, former spouse, adult relative (related by blood, adoption or marriage), person living in the same house as you, person who has lived in the same house with you within the last two years, or the other parent of your child. You can get the necessary forms and instructions for a FAPA restraining order from the circuit court clerk at your county courthouse. The forms are free, and there is no filing fee for this type of order. The Victims Assistance Program of your local District Attorney’s office can help you prepare the forms. FAPA orders are valid for one year, and may be renewed for a good reason. If you have a FAPA order and the abuser violates it you can get immediate help from the police. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: NewfieMonkey on June 29, 2010, 06:21:09 PM Crap .. won't do that again. Got kicked from the cage. Sorry "TR" ::MonkeyHaHa::
I was a fence sitter until I saw he'd moved out and filed a restraining order. I don't think he'd take those steps (right at this moment - in the middle of trying to find his missing son) if he only found out she'd been having an affair or she lied to police about where she'd been that morning - and had some lame reason for it. For either of those things I'd have stayed and screamed and yelled and made her life miserable. (Huh, may be why I'm single ::MonkeyKiss::) I'm giving my seat up because I think he must have been given some pretty damning evidence. Of course ... I've been wrong before ... and I will be again ... so save my seat! Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: Brandi on June 29, 2010, 06:26:38 PM http://www.osbar.org/public/diy/RestrainingOrderHearings.html Restraining Order Hearings If a family or household member has threatened you with violence or abused you, the Oregon Family Abuse Prevention Act (FAPA) can help protect you. Under FAPA, you can get an order stating that the abuser cannot contact you or come to your home, school, or workplace. In some cases the court can order the abuser to leave the family home of the victim. To qualify for a FAPA restraining order, you must be able to show that: 1. The violence or threats occurred within 180 days of your petition; 2. The abuser intentionally or recklessly caused or tried to cause bodily harm or placed you in fear of serious harm; and 3. The abuser is a spouse, former spouse, adult relative (related by blood, adoption or marriage), person living in the same house as you, person who has lived in the same house with you within the last two years, or the other parent of your child. You can get the necessary forms and instructions for a FAPA restraining order from the circuit court clerk at your county courthouse. The forms are free, and there is no filing fee for this type of order. The Victims Assistance Program of your local District Attorney’s office can help you prepare the forms. FAPA orders are valid for one year, and may be renewed for a good reason. If you have a FAPA order and the abuser violates it you can get immediate help from the police. I also get this from Oregon sources: A restraining order can order the abuser to: * Stop abusing, threatening, or interfering with you and any children in your custody; * Stay away from your home, school, place of business, or other specified place; * Leave your home (if you live together); * Remove personal belongings from the home while police stand guard; * Have no contact with you in person, by mail, or by phone; * Pay you emergency financial assistance.* A restraining order can also: * Give you temporary legal custody of your children; * Give the abuser temporary custody (if you request this) dependent upon certain conditions to protect the children; * Allow you visitation rights to your children if the abuser has custody; * Give you any other relief that the judge considers necessary to make sure that you and your children are safe.* Whether a judge orders any or all of the above depends on the facts of your case. * O.R.S. § 107.718(1) Nothing about firearms yet. Hmmm. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: seahorse on June 29, 2010, 06:27:19 PM http://photos.oregonlive.com/4450/gallery/kyron_hormans_family_releases_photos_showing_boy_before_disappearance/slideshow/index.html
Kyron's haircut. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: Brandi on June 29, 2010, 06:28:47 PM I have a restraining order and the abuser has a gun. Is that legal?
It depends. Federal laws, which apply to all states, restrict an abuser's right to have a gun if you have a restraining order against him that meets certain requirements. Oregon law says that if your restraining order meets these federal law requirements, the judge should specifically include this information on your restraining order. This applies to any of the following restraining orders: * a domestic violence restraining order to prevent abuse,* * a stalking protective order,** * a release agreement given to a defendant who was charged with a domestic violence crime,*** or * an order issued after you file for divorce, separation or annulment.**** By having the judge specifically mention that the restraining order meets the requirements of the federal gun ban, this should make it clearer to the police that it is illegal for the abuser to have a gun and easier to enforce. To read more about the requirements that an order of protection must meet to make gun ownsership illegal under federal law, go to I have a final order of protection against the abuser. Can his gun be taken away? in our federal gun laws pages. * O.R.S. § 107.718(11) ** O.R.S. §§ 30.866(10); 163.738(2)(b) *** O.R.S. § 135.250(2)(c) **** O.R.S. § 107.095(5) http://www.womenslaw.org/laws_state_type.php?id=296&state_code=OR&open_id=12920 Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: Rob on June 29, 2010, 06:31:45 PM Everyone knows that someone can make someone's life a miserable hell with false allegations of abuse. But to take away their gun rights - well, that's Oregon for ya. I guess Terri Moulton will be in public and a most have a very unfavorable opinion of her - doesn't she still have a second amendment right to protect herself?
Lots and lots of allegations toward Terri Moulton, but what proof does anyone have? it's a simple question - but most likely has a complex answer. Husbands and wives have been hurling abuse allegations at each other since the beginning of time. It's not new, but in a case such as this it could have ulterior motives. I'm simply just making the point. We weren't there, and although I want to believe the police are on the right track, I have seen to many instances of screwing up everything and the missing person remains, well, missing. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: Rob on June 29, 2010, 06:45:06 PM The F-250 was confiscated twice. I would expect there would be evidence of Kyron in there. But, apparently there is no blood evidence. Or if there is - it's a major secret. Kyron rode to school in the truck - it's logical that he would have left behind skin cells and hair follicles.
As for Terri, she would have to know that she would be the prime suspect in a disappearance if she is the last one to see the missing child. No one could be that stupid. I have seen alot of reasons why she would do this - such as; postpartum depression, Kyron may have had ADHD / ADD, Terri wanted her own family. She would have to know that this could break up her family. It would have to be a factor in planning a crime as complex as this one is alleged to be. So tell me, what is really in this for Terri - how does she benefit. If this crime is so complex and so well planned - how did she not factor into all of the equations that it could easily all come tumbling down and she could be charged and lose her husband and family. Either this crime is not very complex - which is the case in most of the missing person cases we follow - or she is a mastermind who seemingly overlooked multiple errors that would arise. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: Tamikosmom on June 29, 2010, 06:54:16 PM So are the police alleging that Terri owns a gun? or has a history of using a gun in the commission of a crime? It's getting deep ::MonkeyNoNo:: I hope these cops are not singularly focused and in the end wrong. I know that many believe that the school was too "occupied" with people and parents in for the science fair, but you know children have been abducted from a house when the parents were in another room. I think I'll wait to see if there are charges before hoping on the bandwagon. I'm a fence sitter. ::MonkeyHaHa:: I don't think the police are alleging anything but it's said that is part of the restraining order. So I'm guessing that Kaine is saying that either she has threatened with a gun or has access to a gun and he fears it. Could it be that the truth encompassing what happened to Kyron has been revealed or strongly suspected and ... therefore it is assumed that his little sister could be at risk. There are past instances where a parent does harm to his/her children to get back at the spouse. Just speculating. Janet Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: Tamikosmom on June 29, 2010, 06:57:44 PM I am not a fellow fence sitter but for those that are, you may like this: (http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/sitting-on-the-fence-emoticon.gif) Thank Klaas. There are a few players in the Natalee Holloway case that cause me to sit on the fence or ... continually climbing from one side or the other. Janet Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: doubledecker on June 29, 2010, 07:03:00 PM Motion & Order to Seal is posted in the Divorce Docs Area
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: Tamikosmom on June 29, 2010, 07:11:03 PM So are the police alleging that Terri owns a gun? or has a history of using a gun in the commission of a crime? It's getting deep ::MonkeyNoNo:: I hope these cops are not singularly focused and in the end wrong. I know that many believe that the school was too "occupied" with people and parents in for the science fair, but you know children have been abducted from a house when the parents were in another room. I think I'll wait to see if there are charges before hoping on the bandwagon. I'm a fence sitter. ::MonkeyHaHa:: I don't think the police are alleging anything but it's said that is part of the restraining order. So I'm guessing that Kaine is saying that either she has threatened with a gun or has access to a gun and he fears it. Could it be that the truth encompassing what happened to Kyron has been revealed or strongly suspected and ... therefore it is assumed that his little sister could be at risk. There are past instances where a parent does harm to his/her children to get back at the spouse. Just speculating. Janet I cannot comprehend why Terri does not have custody unles it has been determined that the little girl is at risk. Janet Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: cw618 on June 29, 2010, 07:15:19 PM Terri Horman restricted from guns and parenting
WTH happened to due process, even if she is found to be the perp in kyron disappearance, she is still entitled to due process, so she had a court date and due process and we missed it yes im a stickler for our constitutional rights http://www.kgw.com/news/Second-grade-student-missing-from-Skyline-Elementary-95670454.html on with finding kyron from the time line there is no mention as to what TH did till the facebook post, wonder if LE has her debit/credit card records for that day what time did hubby come home to work 8:45 a.m. Terri Horman leaves after watching Kyron walk toward his classroom after touring the science fair. 1:21 p.m. Terri Horman posts photos of Kyron at the science fair on her Facebook page. 8:45 a.m-1:21 p.m = 4hr 36min A-B:2.7 miles, 4 min 15725 NW Sheltered Nook Rd, Portland, OR 97231-2002 Depart NW Sheltered Nook Rd toward NW Cornelius Pass Rd Turn right onto NW Cornelius Pass Rd Turn left onto NW Skyline Blvd Arrive at 11536 NW Skyline Blvd, Portland, OR 97231-2604 on the left http://tiny.cc/lutpu do we know if LE has searched the horman property, the Lot Size: 4.63 acres mostly wooded, see bing maps,15725 Nw Sheltered Nook Road, Portland OR 97231 i think they bought the place soon after they were married horman property info the link has a google map http://www.trulia.com/homes/Oregon/Portland/sold/767865-15725-Nw-Sheltered-Nook-Road-Portland-OR-97231 timeline http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/kyron_horman_chronology_of_eve.html Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: Brandi on June 29, 2010, 07:26:18 PM Motion & Order to Seal is posted in the Divorce Docs Area Thanks, DD. I see it there. Do you have a link to the pdf ? Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: doubledecker on June 29, 2010, 07:29:40 PM Motion & Order to Seal is posted in the Divorce Docs Area Thanks, DD. I see it there. Do you have a link to the pdf ? dang I had lost it ... found it http://images.bimedia.net/documents/Horman_restrain.pdf Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: 4getUnot on June 29, 2010, 07:30:34 PM Hi Monkeys!!!!
I've been lurking in the tree trying to keep up with this case and I too am baffled by it. A few things really have me puzzled. When Kyron's friend was talking about the "sub" teacher that day he stated that the teacher said something like "There's only five, where's Kyron?" He said she was counting heads. To me this is an indication that Kyron had been or was supposed to be part of a group of at least six and he was missing from that group. Granted his friend may have been confused about the day so my question would be was there another group going around on a different day that week in which Kyron would have been counted but was missing from the group. I wonder how many absences Kyron has had this year because if he were there everyday then it is more likely that he would have been missed. Let me add here that I don't believe Kyron was absent very often so why wasn't he missed? As another monkey or several, have commented previously Kyron may have had ADHD or some problem at school (Father's statement I believe) where he had not been listening to the adults. If Terri had been planning to do something to Kyron then maybe she told Kaine that Kyron wasn't listening in school. Maybe Kaine was getting info from Terri (or being misled by Terri) about Kyron and really didn't talk to the school himself. Afterall Terri was a teacher and may have been considered the family expert in this area. The pictures that were posted on "that other site" LOL were very good and the poster who took them did an excellent job. On the left side of the school there was a walk and an entryway. I noticed the windows along that walk seemed very close to the ground outside. With that in mind, I wonder if someone could have ducked into a classroom with Kyron and went out through a window to that walkway while the rest of the school was walking around looking at the exhibits? The divorce filing came as a surprise to me. I sure wasn't expecting that. I wonder if Terri threatened to commit suicide or something of that nature as to why the mental health folks are standing by. Over the past year so many people have committed suicide after killing their families maybe this is why Kaine wanted a protective order. Terri's parents are both with her now so I don't believe she is alone. I can't throw all the heat on her just yet though because in those papers She is supposed to pay child support and I'm wondering how is she supposed to do that when she has been a stay at home Mom since the birth of Kiara. At this point I'm wondering also how much Kaine knew about the school and since he was off from work that afternoon has it been verified that he went to work that morning. If Terri and Kaine had been having marital problems prior to Kyron's disappearance and now Kaine decides to whip out these papers this would be a perfect time to get a divorce, child support and sole custody all in one swoop. (I'm basing this opinion on LE statements that it is someone close and if that is the case what is the motive?) I know that's a pretty shocking statement but IMO anything is possible. There have been cases of women killing their children so they could be with a lover and there have been cases of men killing their wives and children to get out of paying child support. Nothing is beyond the scope of supposition. All of the above is just opinions and thoughts that I have had about this case. I love you monkeys and I enjoy reading all your posts! (That's about all I've been able to do lately is try to keep up since Natalee's case is back in the headlines.) Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: Brandi on June 29, 2010, 07:31:41 PM Motion & Order to Seal is posted in the Divorce Docs Area Thanks, DD. I see it there. Do you have a link to the pdf ? dang I had lost it ... found it http://images.bimedia.net/documents/Horman_restrain.pdf Thank you! Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: Deenie on June 29, 2010, 07:41:17 PM Hi All,
I just want to throw in a gentle reminder .. all the pictures of Kyron that everyone is posting Kyron looking Sweet, Happy and Loved. He was under the care of his " Mom" Terri ..who he lived with. Not his biomom, not his Dad Kaine. Kaine I am sure did not wash his clothes, feed him dinner, play board games with him, pay attention to him when it was just every day family living. A child is a product of their environment. And when the environment is filled with abuse, inconsistency - the child shows it outside of the family home. When they are able to be free of all and any. Kids in turmoil, even at the youngest of age, they offer " signals" even if they are slight .. if something is " out of nature/nurture" in their home life. They act out. They can be angry, or frustrated at the slightest discontent. They can be evasive to Adults ( say in a school setting) when being told what to do. That they will not react to another Adults direction instantly .. they think it about it and possibly do the exact opposite - which creates attention. Even if is misbehaving. Its the attention that they seek. They know nothing different. Kids who are living happy, healthy and in a solid consistent environment tend to be brutally honest. They have nothing to hide. They love to Praise their peers, Want to be involved with everything, become a leader figure and want to help others. They Smile, They show themselves to all and everyone consistent in behavior. Kids on the flip side though who are living say in a " out of control" environment have a tendency to emulate their " home life" to others ..to their peers. If something is not right at home, it comes out in reactions - to a Peer .. who is least likely to fight back. 1. They call peer's Stupid ( not a slip of the tongue but really mean it) 2. They like to humiliate peers 3. They are extremely shy and do not allow anyone close to them. 4. They do not like to work within groups - they cannot join in, they remain on the outside. 5. They exhibit to others without cause - Violence. They hit, they have tantrums, they throw things. Have outbursts that are triggered by ?? Working in a private daycare and public daycare for 5+ yrs that is what I recall of children that were high risk, living in a home environment of chaos. Children who emulate what is ongoing in the house/home outside of school. Any child that is living in a home fueled by negative, by abuse, by anger. Will exhibit traits of what he/she only knows as the family Normal. I don't see this of Kryon. I feel though, something changed in the house/home Horman in the last 6 months. That none of us will know or are to be privy of. Not just yet. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: cw618 on June 29, 2010, 08:02:36 PM sorry i forgot the baby girls name
but where was she the morn that TH took kyron to school i dont remember a mention of this Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: akmom on June 29, 2010, 08:08:33 PM sorry i forgot the baby girls name but where was she the morn that TH took kyron to school i dont remember a mention of this I have been mulling that over in my mind. Has Step mom maybe admitted to leaving either one or both of the kids unattended, or in the company of an unsavory individual, or someone she did not know well, and that is what prompted a lot of the suspicion????? Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: Deenie on June 29, 2010, 08:08:56 PM sorry i forgot the baby girls name Many things have been said of Where the baby was. Her name is Kiara yet she is called Kitty. but where was she the morn that TH took kyron to school i dont remember a mention of this Its unclear to me and I think to many where she was that morning. Too much said, not enough facts .. Kaine was to be babysitter that morning/day of Kitty* working from home, Kaine has also been said to have stated~ the last time he saw Kyron ..was when he was leaving the house to go to work. I don't know how to answer your question, I can only offer up what I have read. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: klaasend on June 29, 2010, 08:12:06 PM http://www.katu.com/news/local/97436564.html
‘Irreconcilable differences’ cited in marriage breakdown by Dan Tilkin, Thom Jensen KATU News and KATU.com Staff Originally printed at http://www.katu.com/news/local/97436564.html PORTLAND, Ore. - Kaine Horman, the father of missing 7-year-old Kyron Horman, cited “irreconcilable differences” as the reason for the breakdown of his marriage to Kyron’s stepmother Terri Moulton Horman, according to court documents released Tuesday. At 6 p.m. Monday Terri was served with divorce papers, according to a source. She has not responded to requests for comment. The court documents do not reveal more about why the couple’s marriage is in trouble and they make no reference to the disappearance of Kyron who vanished June 4. In some states a specific reason has to be stated for wanting a divorce but in Oregon couples only have to say they don’t get along and it’s not possible to fix the marriage. Kaine is also asking for full custody of their 18-month-old daughter, Kiara, and that Terri pay child support. According to the documents, Kaine moved out of the family’s home on Saturday, June 26. Kaine also filed for a restraining order against his wife to keep her away from Kiara. The petition for the restraining order has been sealed by Judge Keith Meisenheimer who said he was concerned it could jeopardize the ongoing criminal investigation into the disappearance of Kyron. A local family law attorney said in order to get a restraining order, Kaine has to accuse his wife of committing some sort of abuse in the past six months. “There’s the actual affidavit in support of that petition,” said Robin Runstein. “And those would contain the allegations of abuse, and if there is something there that law enforcement finds helpful and possibly damaging to their investigation, I’m not surprised that a judge would seal it.” Meisenheimer did release the cover sheet and said it “will not risk compromising the effort to find Kyron Horman and related criminal investigations.” Terri can ask for a hearing or the judge could set a hearing date if he finds exceptional circumstances, but Runstein said these family matters will probably be delayed until the criminal case is completed. She said judges normally don’t want to compel someone to testify in a family law matter if it could harm them in an ongoing criminal case. Meanwhile, Kaine’s attorney, Laura E. Rackner, with Gearing, Rackner & Engel, released a short statement Tuesday: “Mr. Horman has a continuing desire to bring Kyron home safely, and to provide for the best interests of his daughter Kiara. I refer you to the public statement issued by the family yesterday, which is included below. Mr. Horman remains supportive of all of the law enforcement agencies working to locate Kyron and will continue to act in his children’s best interests.” Investigators have refused to comment about any possible suspects or persons on interest in the case and no one has been charged in Kyron's disappearance. * Read the divorce documents (PDF, public record) * Read the restraining order seal document (PDF, public record) This story is in progress and will be updated . . . Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: Wyks on June 29, 2010, 08:12:43 PM Sorry if this has already been posted. This may explain Kaine's getting a TRO, seeing at how he supposedly moved out on the 26th, same day as below.
Found this posted at IS, and believe it may be referring to the scanner thread at WS, not sure tho. ~~~ "I found the scanner chatter post that was being referenced on another forum. It wasn't an altercation. There was scanner activity at 5:18pm on the 26th, as threat in driveway at Horman address. 5:24pm repeated address. That's all that is listed/that is all that came over the scanner. So, factually, not a "altercation" but a "threat in the driveway at the Horman home". That is all that was reported as coming over the scanner on the 26th." Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: klaasend on June 29, 2010, 08:14:29 PM http://www.kptv.com/news/24083257/detail.html
Focus Of Kyron Horman Case Shifts To Family Kaine Horman Files For Divorce POSTED: 11:05 am PDT June 29, 2010 UPDATED: 4:58 pm PDT June 29, 2010 PORTLAND, Ore. -- A restraining order filed Monday against the stepmother of missing 7-year-old Kyron Horman does not allow her to have any guns or have any parenting time with her 18-month-old daughter, according to court records. Kaine Horman filed for divorce and a family abuse prevention act restraining order against Terri Horman, who deputies said was the last person to see Kyron on the day he disappeared from Skyline School in northwest Portland. PDFs: Divorce Petition | Motion To Seal Restraining Order As part of the divorce petition, Kaine Horman asked that he receive sole custody of daughter Kiara Horman, who is the only common child in his marriage with Terri Horman. The reason for filing the petition was listed as "irreconcilable differences." Judge Keith Meisenheimer sealed the restraining order to prevent it from compromising the investigation into Kyron's disappearance, according to the clerk in Meisenheimer's office. A statement Monday from Kaine Horman, Desiree Young (Kyron's biological mother) and Tony Young (Kyron's stepfather) said the family was fully briefed by law enforcement and they support the ongoing criminal investigation. Terri Horman was not listed on the statement. "Any actions taken by the investigation, or by us, are based on the best interests of Kyron and Kiara and comply with the law," the statement said. Multnomah County investigators would not comment on the divorce or the restraining order. They said they're not involved with those proceedings and a private company served Terri Horman with the documents. Kyron's disappearance is currently a criminal investigation. Multnomah County sheriff's deputies said he was last seen June 4 at an early-morning school science fair. His disappearance was reported by family later that afternoon when he did not turn up at his school bus stop, deputies said. In the days that followed, authorities led a massive ground-search operation that was one of the biggest search efforts in Oregon history. It involved more than 40 law enforcement agencies and hundreds of searchers. Deputies have not said whether any evidence was found during the search, which covered several areas, including those around Skyline School and the Horman family's home. Investigators released a flier earlier this month that included photos of Terri Horman and her truck in hopes of sparking new leads, but there have been no persons of interest or suspects named in the case. Note: Because all restraining orders are supposed to be public record, FOX 12 discussed the sealing of the restraining order with our attorney and we have decided to fight the judge's ruling. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: klaasend on June 29, 2010, 08:16:21 PM http://www.koinlocal6.com/content/news/topstories/story/Terri-Horman-may-talk-to-the-media/Dz4uMChK60KCWjy3W5FG4Q.cspx
Terri Horman may talk to the media Last Update: 4:46 pm Terri may talk to the media PORTLAND, Ore. – Terri Moulton Horman was “blindsided” by the divorce papers, according to a close friend. A friend of Terri who wished to remain anonymous, told KOIN Local 6 Kyron Horman’s step-mother was caught off guard when she was served divorce papers as well as a restraining order from her husband and Kyron’s father, Kaine Horman. “Terri didn’t know she was going to be hit with divorce papers or a restraining order,” the friend said. The friend said Terri may consider talking publicly and airing her side of the story. “She’s been doing what Kaine said all along and he’s been telling her to stay quiet. The public will benefit from hearing what she has to say.” (snipped) Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: Tracygirl on June 29, 2010, 08:20:17 PM Rob you make some very good points. I just don't know what to think.
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: Claycat on June 29, 2010, 08:24:00 PM Sorry if this has already been posted. This may explain Kaine's getting a TRO, seeing at how he supposedly moved out on the 26th, same day as below. Found this posted at IS, and believe it may be referring to the scanner thread at WS, not sure tho. ~~~ "I found the scanner chatter post that was being referenced on another forum. It wasn't an altercation. There was scanner activity at 5:18pm on the 26th, as threat in driveway at Horman address. 5:24pm repeated address. That's all that is listed/that is all that came over the scanner. So, factually, not a "altercation" but a "threat in the driveway at the Horman home". That is all that was reported as coming over the scanner on the 26th." It also could be that the threat involved a gun, and that is why Terri is not to be allowed access to a gun. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 29, 2010, 08:24:12 PM http://www.koinlocal6.com/content/news/topstories/story/Terri-Horman-may-talk-to-the-media/Dz4uMChK60KCWjy3W5FG4Q.cspx I would love to hear that, but at the same time I think she needs to be quiet and get a very good lawyer, she may get herself in more trouble if she speaks.Terri Horman may talk to the media Last Update: 4:46 pm Terri may talk to the media PORTLAND, Ore. – Terri Moulton Horman was “blindsided” by the divorce papers, according to a close friend. A friend of Terri who wished to remain anonymous, told KOIN Local 6 Kyron Horman’s step-mother was caught off guard when she was served divorce papers as well as a restraining order from her husband and Kyron’s father, Kaine Horman. “Terri didn’t know she was going to be hit with divorce papers or a restraining order,” the friend said. The friend said Terri may consider talking publicly and airing her side of the story. “She’s been doing what Kaine said all along and he’s been telling her to stay quiet. The public will benefit from hearing what she has to say.” (snipped) Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: Wyks on June 29, 2010, 08:26:18 PM Sorry if this has already been posted. This may explain Kaine's getting a TRO, seeing at how he supposedly moved out on the 26th, same day as below. Found this posted at IS, and believe it may be referring to the scanner thread at WS, not sure tho. ~~~ "I found the scanner chatter post that was being referenced on another forum. It wasn't an altercation. There was scanner activity at 5:18pm on the 26th, as threat in driveway at Horman address. 5:24pm repeated address. That's all that is listed/that is all that came over the scanner. So, factually, not a "altercation" but a "threat in the driveway at the Horman home". That is all that was reported as coming over the scanner on the 26th." It also could be that the threat involved a gun, and that is why Terri is not to be allowed access to a gun. That's my thinking too, Claycat! Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: Deenie on June 29, 2010, 08:27:42 PM I am throwing this out to all and everyone. I know many feel that Terri is guilty for Kyron's disappearance. I cannot say either way. I feel that there is not enough " proof" to say that Terri is solely responsible or that she alone is guilty. I posted this earlier and am waiting approval. I understand that conventional theory is typically what it is. If it looks like a duck, walks, quacks like a duck .. it must be a duck. I don't know in this scenario if that is truly correct. I am not posing as a Terri Horman cheerleader. I am only offering up info. Please though read what I collected in thought. Again this is just my opinion. Its a long post .......
After reading along of all that has transpired in the last day with Kaine and Terri, I am perplexed. My post is of Terri and Kaine ( jmo) Since this news is about them, as a couple. I have felt all along that Terri is a scapegoat in all of this. I do not know if she is involved or not. I find it ” because” she was the last one to have Kryon/see Kryon- and her comment of hitting the gym .. not to be enough to Hang her. It that comment on her fb was never found by the public/media. What would replace it? to cause her such scrutiny. Other than she being the one who took Kyron to school the day of June 4th. Understanding that she has not made any statements to the public on her own ( from her own mouth to the public’s ear). I looked at Terri’s photos. The few that are online. If you go to this link, it has over 60+ photos of the Horman family. http://www.cbsnews.com/2300-504083_162-10003676-44.html?tag=page The photo’s that are from 41-47 appear to be Christmas 2009. ( That would be just 6 months ago) Photo 42: Is Kaine, Kyron, Kitty sitting on the couch with a Wii Band Hero. * I see in the photo that the couch has a sheet on it. On the upper left side is a woman’s pink silk robe/PJ. Was Terri sleeping on the couch? Not with Kaine. Photo 43: closer photo that it is clearly a woman’s pj - not a silk blouse etc. Kaine is dressed in day clothes. Kids in their pj’s. Photo 44: shows Kaine/Terri/Kyron/James - Terri looks noticeably Healthy, Happy, Face with color, Fit - and I may add twenty years younger than the present photo’s they are showing to the public now. Photo 47: shows again the Wii with Kyron/James and Kitty in the background. I notice too that all the gifts that are being shown in the photo’s are family oriented. Mom is usually Santa - so I don’t think that Kaine picked out these gifts. I believe these photos are from the Same Christmas, Kitty is all the photos(except for One) and Kyron has his Teeth * his front teeth. It shows too that Kyron and his brother had a good relationship. James is happily showing Kyron all the gifts. I notice too that in most of the photos from this link shows Kyron in over sized t-shirts. I think that the T-shirts were either once James’ or they were his and Kyron liked to wear his big brothers shirts. Going back to the photo with the sheet on the couch. It screams at me that someone was sleeping on it. Not just a couch cover say for Boots ..(to prevent cat hair) if that was the case it would be ” cover that went with the room decor” such as a full couch cover. What happened in the last 6 mos between Kaine and Terri. Why did Terri’s appearance fall apart? For someone who worked very very hard in her past ( Body Builder) and to me looks exceptionally healthy/fit in the photo named. Taken *I believe* 6 mos ago. Even the photo of her above ” She looks Great” unlike she does at present. I did see photos of Terri after the baby and she again looked awesome. Snapped back quite well. I wish I could find that photo. Looking at the ” Big Picture” and not tearing apart the unknown. The known is that Kyron’s Mother divorced Kaine when she was almost due to have Kyron. A divorce does not happen over night. For a pregnant woman at term, to follow through and Divorce her husband is very telling. Was this for reasons of custody? Did he threaten her and she beat him to the punch by filing for Divorce. For her to file a retraining order on him as well is very telling. What is it with Kaine and kids? Seems to be quite a correlation doesn’t it. I wonder what kind of Husband he was to Desiree. What type of Man he really is. I feel for Terri to lose her exterior so quickly, to show considerable aging, to gain weight so quickly, is a product of what was going on inside the Horman house. If you notice her skin today is paste white, her hair is frizzy and not glossy or shiny. That to me is Stress related. Not recreational drugs or anything that others are contemplating for her loss of looks. If Terri was abusing Drugs/Alcohol Kaine would know. Him working in/out of the house he would see Terri and how she cared for Kitty. If he had any inclination that Terri was not capable he would have taken action immediately. I think this all points to Kaine. I think he is very controlling. He knows he is the bread winner. He holds all the cards. Was he having an Affair? And not only told Terri he was but he told her ” If Only she could be a Better Wife/Mother” he would not have to go out else where .. that it was her fault. For his actions outside of the home. Which is another way of creating control and holding Terri mentally hostage. Words snipped from a Dr. Phil book. I am not a huge Dr Phil fan - but this does make sense in this scenario. http://drphil.com/articles/article/561 He speaks of Emotions felt when a Divorce is pending. My Gut says that Kaine, had in the near past threatened Terri with Divorce. Nothing to do with Kyron being missing. Rejection and Despair ((Both Kaine and Terri could be feeling this since they have suffered Divorces in their pasts)) “Feelings of rejection may run high because we often measure the results of our efforts in terms of whether or not the world accepts or rejects us,” Dr. Phil says. Sometimes, another person’s reaction can be a barometer of our worth and value. “When the love of our life leaves us, any past rejection issues can be magnified.” You may feel unworthy, not good enough or like damaged goods. A divorce may also signify the failure of your dream, because you couldn’t make the marriage work. Bitterness ( again both of them could feel this) “Riding what I call the bitter bus is pretty common for many reasons,” Dr. Phil says. You may be bitter that your spouse ruined the perfect family ideal you believed in and threw your life in turmoil. You may also feel like you didn’t deserve this outcome. ** Going back to Kaine working from inside the house and at his place of work - triggers me to think again that he likes to Monitor .. and Did very much so Monitor Terri. If you have ever lived with an silent abuser( I have) they love to ” check in” ” check up” and make their presence known - You live in My World, I make the rules/I make the money. We do not share as a couple.I am the king and you follow along.* Which all happens after the Lovey Dovey Honeymoon syndrome is over. That is not a loving relationship. That is a Man who brings in his insecurities from his past marriage. And throws it to the NEW Wife hand over fist .. so that she is controlled by him. So he wont be known as a failure ..yet again. Did Terri send James away, because he was old enough - to hear and see the turmoil. That he tried to step in and protect his Mother. So Terri sent James away, that he would not be in the middle. To protect him. Terri was in control of that choice to send James away. Its not like she was court ordered to lose her son. Notice how it has not been said that Kaine is the best DAD on the planet. By Desiree or anyone for that matter. Desiree doesn’t have a leg to stand on -other than do go along with what ever was created in court ( that she was able to have Kyron in her life)visitation. She would do nothing to disrupt that. I just think that Kaine has been left out of this picture. That he is somewhat to be seen as Hero ..and I don’t believe it. I think he has alliances, he has people in his corner. He has his own itinerary. Even if Terri’s life is destroyed along the way. To Him, Terri is disposable. Maybe Terri is scared to death to speak up for herself. Did anyone ever think of that? Kaine has now filed for Divorce/ Full custody of Kitty. Something is not being said here. In the wake of tragedy families bond closer, they do not rip apart ( even if they do not like each other). Even if Terri had something to do with Kyron’s disappearance( which I do not believe she did) the timing of this Divorce/Custody battle is irony. It’s Kaine’s life on repeat. I think Terri is being held to the wall - for reasons of ??? It will all come out soon enough. I think though that this blatant attack on Terri is going to bust wide open .. and it’s going to be a shock to all. jmo. Praying for Kyron - Who I believe is an innocent bystander to a failed marriage and god knows what else. -I would like to add that maybe James wanted to protect Kyron as well. Because James has been through all and everything. He has been shuffled around like a piece of luggage almost his entire life. He has no place to call home. He has never known stability. ::MonkeyNoNo:: Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: NewfieMonkey on June 29, 2010, 08:28:40 PM http://www.koinlocal6.com/content/news/topstories/story/Terri-Horman-may-talk-to-the-media/Dz4uMChK60KCWjy3W5FG4Q.cspx Okay she is crazy - certifiable! Apparently she hasn't hired a lawyer yet ... or there is a lawyer out there who needs a new change of undies. Terri Horman may talk to the media Lady - lawyer up and shut up! Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: Brandi on June 29, 2010, 08:36:30 PM http://www.koinlocal6.com/content/news/topstories/story/Terri-Horman-may-talk-to-the-media/Dz4uMChK60KCWjy3W5FG4Q.cspx Okay she is crazy - certifiable! Apparently she hasn't hired a lawyer yet ... or there is a lawyer out there who needs a new change of undies. Terri Horman may talk to the media Lady - lawyer up and shut up! I don't know what to think about wanting her to make a statement or not. I do know she is a liar though. So whatever she does say, I would be highly suspicious of. I also want to say that I do not support the media fighting the sealing of the restraining order. LE and a judge feel releasing that info could hurt the investigation, so IMO it should remain sealed. Normally, I want information released, but not if it might impede the investigation. JMO. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: ozziesmom on June 29, 2010, 08:36:53 PM So are the police alleging that Terri owns a gun? or has a history of using a gun in the commission of a crime? It's getting deep ::MonkeyNoNo:: I hope these cops are not singularly focused and in the end wrong. I know that many believe that the school was too "occupied" with people and parents in for the science fair, but you know children have been abducted from a house when the parents were in another room. I think I'll wait to see if there are charges before hoping on the bandwagon. I'm a fence sitter. ::MonkeyHaHa:: I don't think the police are alleging anything but it's said that is part of the restraining order. So I'm guessing that Kaine is saying that either she has threatened with a gun or has access to a gun and he fears it. Could it be that the truth encompassing what happened to Kyron has been revealed or strongly suspected and ... therefore it is assumed that his little sister could be at risk. There are past instances where a parent does harm to his/her children to get back at the spouse. Just speculating. Janet The father definately has some evidence pointing at Terri (negelct, child endangerment)..The police may just be waiting for her to crack, that's why they aren't naming her s suspect..they did the say thing with the girl in Phily in 2005 (I think)...they wouldn't name the guy that killed her a suspect....it's a police tactic....there's def something up with this restraining order...Terri didn't even get to dispute it... I hope to GOD this little boy is okay...it's breaking my heart Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: klaasend on June 29, 2010, 08:38:30 PM Here's why I'm leaning towards Terri having something to do with Kyron missing:
1. She was the last person to see him 2. LE appears to be leaning towards her as well and is asking for info from anyone who has seen her vehicle that morning/day 3. LE asking for a 2nd polygraph 4. The same day as the 2nd polygraph, Kaine moves out and takes 18mo old with him 5. Terri's 16yr old son moves out 6. Kaine files for divorce and gets a restraining order Something is very wrong with Terri. Her physical appearance has changed greatly in the past 6 months or so. She almost looks like a different person. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: klaasend on June 29, 2010, 08:41:04 PM Deenie - I understand where you are coming from. I'm leaning towards thinking that Terri may even have a split personality. She may not know what happened to Kyron but may be responsible for it. That is my opinion.
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: Claycat on June 29, 2010, 08:42:04 PM Well, Wyks, I'm on time out at WS for baiting. Someone asked if there was another search going. (i.e. Oakes's search) I told them there was, but I wasn't allowed to talk about it there. That's why I was banned! I didn't say any bad words or anything. I really can't stand that place anymore! I stayed gone for a long time, but I guess I need to stay gone forever. I don't know how the others can stand it. It really makes me sad. People can't sleuth if they don't have all the information. Mainstream media is not all the information! Sometimes it's just disinformation!
I didn't mean to get off topic, but it did relate somewhat to Harry Oakes's independent search. Actually, I believe one of the "mainstream" news stations made mention of several independent searches. Have you hear any more from Mr. Oakes? Brandi, your collage of Kyron is wonderful! Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: Claycat on June 29, 2010, 08:43:32 PM I meant to say, have you "heard"! Oops!
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: NewfieMonkey on June 29, 2010, 08:43:35 PM I don't know what to think about wanting her to make a statement or not. I do know she is a liar though. So whatever she does say, I would be highly suspicious of. The way her "friend" says 'the public will benefit greatly from hearing her side' ... makes me think someone's gonna get thrown under the bus ... wonder who ...I also want to say that I do not support the media fighting the sealing of the restraining order. LE and a judge feel releasing that info could hurt the investigation, so IMO it should remain sealed. Normally, I want information released, but not if it might impede the investigation. JMO. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 29, 2010, 08:45:34 PM Deenie - I understand where you are coming from. I'm leaning towards thinking that Terri may even have a split personality. She may not know what happened to Kyron but may be responsible for it. That is my opinion. Now that is an interesting thought, and could very well be. Her appearance changing so drastically, and yes she looks like a different person. Something bad happened to her in the past six months, have a few thoughts to what may have happened, but of course have no idea.Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: Gypsy DD on June 29, 2010, 08:48:16 PM http://www.koinlocal6.com/content/news/topstories/story/Terri-Horman-may-talk-to-the-media/Dz4uMChK60KCWjy3W5FG4Q.cspx Okay she is crazy - certifiable! Apparently she hasn't hired a lawyer yet ... or there is a lawyer out there who needs a new change of undies. Terri Horman may talk to the media Lady - lawyer up and shut up! I don't know what to think about wanting her to make a statement or not. I do know she is a liar though. So whatever she does say, I would be highly suspicious of. I also want to say that I do not support the media fighting the sealing of the restraining order. LE and a judge feel releasing that info could hurt the investigation, so IMO it should remain sealed. Normally, I want information released, but not if it might impede the investigation. JMO. I completely agree with everything you said Brandi. There is a reason why a judge and LE wanted the restraining order sealed..so it should not be opened..thank goodness this is Oregon and not Florida. Secondly..I agree Terri has lied before..maybe the reason for her itching to make a public statement now. I think that liars in general, in a case like this, love to make public statements and let their attorneys clean it up. Think Joran VDS, think Drew Peterson, think Casey Anthony..they do what their attorneys say to a point..but just can't help taking center stage..which Terri has had since day one...why let that lapse when this opportunity presents its self? Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: NewfieMonkey on June 29, 2010, 08:49:44 PM Well, Wyks, I'm on time out at WS for baiting. Someone asked if there was another search going. (i.e. Oakes's search) I told them there was, but I wasn't allowed to talk about it there. That's why I was banned! I didn't say any bad words or anything. I really can't stand that place anymore! I stayed gone for a long time, but I guess I need to stay gone forever. I don't know how the others can stand it. It really makes me sad. People can't sleuth if they don't have all the information. Mainstream media is not all the information! Sometimes it's just disinformation! I didn't mean to get off topic, but it did relate somewhat to Harry Oakes's independent search. Actually, I believe one of the "mainstream" news stations made mention of several independent searches. Have you hear any more from Mr. Oakes? Brandi, your collage of Kyron is wonderful! You stay right here with us monkeys! That place is RIDICU-LICULOUS! Here, I'll scooch over on my branch ... as long as you promise to grab me when I'm getting flung outta the cage! ::MonkeyHaHa:: Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: ozziesmom on June 29, 2010, 08:53:28 PM Here's why I'm leaning towards Terri having something to do with Kyron missing: 1. She was the last person to see him 2. LE appears to be leaning towards her as well and is asking for info from anyone who has seen her vehicle that morning/day 3. LE asking for a 2nd polygraph 4. The same day as the 2nd polygraph, Kaine moves out and takes 18mo old with him 5. Terri's 16yr old son moves out 6. Kaine files for divorce and gets a restraining order Something is very wrong with Terri. Her physical appearance has changed greatly in the past 6 months or so. She almost looks like a different person. 100% agree.....something is going to happen and sooner than later.......it's odd that they haven't said they found anything....I don't think they want to tip Terri off......especially in the whole Suavee (sp?) Island thing Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: theboyzmom on June 29, 2010, 08:55:28 PM So are the police alleging that Terri owns a gun? or has a history of using a gun in the commission of a crime? It's getting deep ::MonkeyNoNo:: I hope these cops are not singularly focused and in the end wrong. I know that many believe that the school was too "occupied" with people and parents in for the science fair, but you know children have been abducted from a house when the parents were in another room. I think I'll wait to see if there are charges before hoping on the bandwagon. I'm a fence sitter. ::MonkeyHaHa:: I don't think the police are alleging anything but it's said that is part of the restraining order. So I'm guessing that Kaine is saying that either she has threatened with a gun or has access to a gun and he fears it. I am sure it is a standard part of a restraining order - not particular to any person. But I am just catching up so. . . Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: Rob on June 29, 2010, 09:03:23 PM klaas - I take everything you just posted into account also - and it's circumstantial, but it is compelling. I am wondering how Terri, if she has changed so much in 6 months, could pull this all off? There has been no mention of an accomplice, none to my knowledge and no one is even implying any such thing. This is someone acting alone according to everything I have read so far.
How does Terri get from point A to point B with no one seeing her - she gets from the hallway to the back of the school where the steps may lead (IIRC). No one can be in two places at once. In most missing person cases - a lil luck is involved, but with all these people all over - it's hard to imagine that Terri could abduct Kyron and no one see them walking back to the truck. Something is not making sense. And here's another thought - why abduct Kyron at all. He was with her and she could have picked any location to make some scheme occur. It's out of the realm of possibility for me to think that she purposefully set up an abduction where so many people could be witnesses. This is a house wife not a CIA deep operative. I am interested to hear her speak and what she has to say. I think she was taking Kaine's advice and remaining silent. I am not sure how she gets from the hallway to the area where the steps must meet in the back (again, if I have that correct regarding the actual location) .. One last point - in the Detective Forum there was that article that states that Kyron's classmate actually sees him last and after Terri. So if that account is correct, Terri is not the last to see Kyron. I'm not sure, but just making the point. If this is true - well, it sort of shoots a huge hole in the fact that Terri was the last to see him. Something tells me that this case is not super complicated. And I say that because I am looking at who is involved. If we are to believe a housewife and whomever else is possibly involved - I doubt they have the skills to preform a perfect abduction. On the other hand - if the case is very complicated - Terri, Kaine and any other family member is not involved. Take your pick, but I don't think anyone can mix a combination of the two. It's one or the other. If Terri did this and it has a family connection it's far from well planned or the work of a mastermind - afterall, the police have focused on her, so her masterminded plan was an epic fail to date. If this is a pedophile, which I can't rule out because I don't know everything the police do - it is more complex than a family with little motive to kill a little boy who was obviously loved by many. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: Claycat on June 29, 2010, 09:06:18 PM Thank you, NewfieMonkey! :smt052
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Nut44x4 on June 29, 2010, 09:09:26 PM (http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/Kyron/kyron-missing.png) Brandi-, may I please have your permission to use this pic and your nice artwork for the header on the next thread for Kyron? oops.....I already did that this afternoon, only I didn't ask permission ::MonkeyEek:: Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: Wyks on June 29, 2010, 09:09:26 PM Well, Wyks, I'm on time out at WS for baiting. Someone asked if there was another search going. (i.e. Oakes's search) I told them there was, but I wasn't allowed to talk about it there. That's why I was banned! I didn't say any bad words or anything. I really can't stand that place anymore! I stayed gone for a long time, but I guess I need to stay gone forever. I don't know how the others can stand it. It really makes me sad. People can't sleuth if they don't have all the information. Mainstream media is not all the information! Sometimes it's just disinformation! I didn't mean to get off topic, but it did relate somewhat to Harry Oakes's independent search. Actually, I believe one of the "mainstream" news stations made mention of several independent searches. Have you hear any more from Mr. Oakes? Brandi, your collage of Kyron is wonderful! Awwww Claycat... frustrating when that happens, I've heard. Many good folks have been outright banned for less, from over there. Sometimes I get brave and go in, tiptoe around for awhile, then skedaddle, thinking that perhaps 'breathing' might be on their latest list for timeouts. Lately I've only peeked into their astrologers thread for any updates. This is the latest re Mr Oakes, in case you missed it. Seems there is very good reason for the hush-hush, not just from him, but from everyone involved. One reason being, so that 'certain individual/s' who likely are scouring every board on the internet, aren't tipped off, so to speak. So not much else we can do but pray and wait.. wait and pray. Page 84 - Reply #1668 on: June 29, 2010, 04:46:01 PM http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8073.1660 (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8073.1660) Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: Deenie on June 29, 2010, 09:10:17 PM Deenie - I understand where you are coming from. I'm leaning towards thinking that Terri may even have a split personality. She may not know what happened to Kyron but may be responsible for it. That is my opinion. It could be Klaas. I just have to say though out of my own opinion being in long term/living together (not married) yet long term relationship with one man in particular - who had befriended my family members, in a way that he was " perfect" no matter what I said. I could have said He burnt down a building and my own family would scoff at me - NO he is Perfect. Yet I knew quite the contrary. His personality was of everything but perfect once he had me - He was in control 24/7 of everything I did. Some men have a way of intermixing and creating fantasy to others that are not the truth, only to project themselves as perfect. I knew My guy for years, then lived with him, and left him within 10 mos. I had to conspire a plan and save money for months .. he knew nothing. I leased an apartment, I had it all planned out. No one knew anything, not even my family that I was leaving him. He abused Me and my Daughter daily both emotionally and verbally. Once all the Happy Happy faded. And I could not take it. Even to this day, come 13 yrs later .. my Mother says to me that He was a victim that I was the one who lost out on a Good Man.. GAG .. she still has a relationship with him to this day. He was such a control freak that he would monitor the times printed on receipts from stores - what the time frame was compared to the distance for me to drive home. If there was any inconsistency of time - he would berate me for hours that I was a liar. That I was hiding something. When I was not. I can understand with what I just posted above - It's not always what it seems in retrospect of Terri. Maybe she does not recall or is ill equipped to offer up her own version/fact of what happened the day of June 4th. Again like I said " I am not proposing to be a Terri Horman Cheerleader" I think that Kaine has some blame in all of this. I don't find him to be " Perfect" I don't find him to be " Innocent" .. that in itself leaves a wide stretch of imagination. Thank you Klaas for your words. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Wyks on June 29, 2010, 09:13:26 PM Brandi-, may I please have your permission to use this pic and your nice artwork for the header on the next thread for Kyron? oops.....I already did that this afternoon, only I didn't ask permission ::MonkeyEek:: LOLOL !!! ::MonkeyJnBox:: Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 29, 2010, 09:14:48 PM Deenie - I understand where you are coming from. I'm leaning towards thinking that Terri may even have a split personality. She may not know what happened to Kyron but may be responsible for it. That is my opinion. It could be Klaas. I just have to say though out of my own opinion being in long term/living together (not married) yet long term relationship with one man in particular - who had befriended my family members, in a way that he was " perfect" no matter what I said. I could have said He burnt down a building and my own family would scoff at me - NO he is Perfect. Yet I knew quite the contrary. His personality was of everything but perfect once he had me - He was in control 24/7 of everything I did. Some men have a way of intermixing and creating fantasy to others that are not the truth, only to project themselves as perfect. I knew My guy for years, then lived with him, and left him within 10 mos. I had to conspire a plan and save money for months .. he knew nothing. I leased an apartment, I had it all planned out. No one knew anything, not even my family that I was leaving him. He abused Me and my Daughter daily both emotionally and verbally. Once all the Happy Happy faded. And I could not take it. Even to this day, come 13 yrs later .. my Mother says to me that He was a victim that I was the one who lost out on a Good Man.. GAG .. she still has a relationship with him to this day. He was such a control freak that he would monitor the times printed on receipts from stores - what the time frame was compared to the distance for me to drive home. If there was any inconsistency of time - he would berate me for hours that I was a liar. That I was hiding something. When I was not. I can understand with what I just posted above - It's not always what it seems in retrospect of Terri. Maybe she does not recall or is ill equipped to offer up her own version/fact of what happened the day of June 4th. Again like I said " I am not proposing to be a Terri Horman Cheerleader" I think that Kaine has some blame in all of this. I don't find him to be " Perfect" I don't find him to be " Innocent" .. that in itself leaves a wide stretch of imagination. Thank you Klaas for your words. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Brandi on June 29, 2010, 09:16:08 PM ✄snipped✄ Brandi-, may I please have your permission to use this pic and your nice artwork for the header on the next thread for Kyron? oops.....I already did that this afternoon, only I didn't ask permission ::MonkeyEek:: Well, I made another if you want to use it sometime. ;-) (http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/Kyron/kyron-missing2.png) Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: NewfieMonkey on June 29, 2010, 09:22:34 PM Brandi you rock! I love both of those. He's such a cutie patootie!
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: NCSunny on June 29, 2010, 09:23:22 PM Mr Oakes will not be giving daily updates or announcements of any kind to the public. He is putting all of his efforts and energy into finding Kyron, that we can know for a certainty. Any findings will be given to LE, so they can decide what can or cannot be released to the public, in order to keep from jeopardizing the case. All we as the public can do, is to continue to wait and pray for Kyron's return. We can send power thoughts to the universe that will give those searchers much renewed strength and determination. And know too, that Mr Oakes makes sure that as each day passes, the dogs searching are well cared for, even emotionally. Search dogs can become frustrated and depressed, if not taken care of properly, and Mr Oakes understands this and works with them to avoid that. ::dogwag:: TY for contacting him. I have read that quite a few people find him abrasive, but if it were my child, I would most definately want him on my side doing all he can. And yes, he does seem to care a lot for his dogs, which I find admirable! I am praying that little Kyron will be found soon and brought safely back to those who love him. Maybe tomorrow we will have some good news! ::MonkeyAngel:: Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: Gypsy DD on June 29, 2010, 09:28:23 PM Deenie - I understand where you are coming from. I'm leaning towards thinking that Terri may even have a split personality. She may not know what happened to Kyron but may be responsible for it. That is my opinion. It could be Klaas. I just have to say though out of my own opinion being in long term/living together (not married) yet long term relationship with one man in particular - who had befriended my family members, in a way that he was " perfect" no matter what I said. I could have said He burnt down a building and my own family would scoff at me - NO he is Perfect. Yet I knew quite the contrary. His personality was of everything but perfect once he had me - He was in control 24/7 of everything I did. Some men have a way of intermixing and creating fantasy to others that are not the truth, only to project themselves as perfect. I knew My guy for years, then lived with him, and left him within 10 mos. I had to conspire a plan and save money for months .. he knew nothing. I leased an apartment, I had it all planned out. No one knew anything, not even my family that I was leaving him. He abused Me and my Daughter daily both emotionally and verbally. Once all the Happy Happy faded. And I could not take it. Even to this day, come 13 yrs later .. my Mother says to me that He was a victim that I was the one who lost out on a Good Man.. GAG .. she still has a relationship with him to this day. He was such a control freak that he would monitor the times printed on receipts from stores - what the time frame was compared to the distance for me to drive home. If there was any inconsistency of time - he would berate me for hours that I was a liar. That I was hiding something. When I was not. I can understand with what I just posted above - It's not always what it seems in retrospect of Terri. Maybe she does not recall or is ill equipped to offer up her own version/fact of what happened the day of June 4th. Again like I said " I am not proposing to be a Terri Horman Cheerleader" I think that Kaine has some blame in all of this. I don't find him to be " Perfect" I don't find him to be " Innocent" .. that in itself leaves a wide stretch of imagination. Thank you Klaas for your words. I agree NRCG..no one is perfect..and this is one heck of a time to break up what is left of the happy family with a little son missing. However..if LE shared some facts with him that he was not aware of until now..then that maybe a whole other story. I was thinking that LE may have some evidence pointing in a certain direction..or in their investigation they came upon something that doesn't add up with Terri. He is under strain..I don't think he would do this without a reason..and a very good reason at this point in time. What that reason is..is up to speculation at this point I guess. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 29, 2010, 09:30:53 PM Gypsy DD, it must have been something very overwhelming for Kaine to do all this when he did, and whatever the info was he must have felt it was extremely dangerous for Kitty to remain in the house.
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: NCSunny on June 29, 2010, 09:33:21 PM http://www.koinlocal6.com/content/news/topstories/story/Terri-Horman-may-talk-to-the-media/Dz4uMChK60KCWjy3W5FG4Q.cspx Terri Horman may talk to the media Last Update: 4:46 pm Terri may talk to the media PORTLAND, Ore. – Terri Moulton Horman was “blindsided” by the divorce papers, according to a close friend. A friend of Terri who wished to remain anonymous, told KOIN Local 6 Kyron Horman’s step-mother was caught off guard when she was served divorce papers as well as a restraining order from her husband and Kyron’s father, Kaine Horman. “Terri didn’t know she was going to be hit with divorce papers or a restraining order,” the friend said. The friend said Terri may consider talking publicly and airing her side of the story. “She’s been doing what Kaine said all along and he’s been telling her to stay quiet. The public will benefit from hearing what she has to say.” (snipped) TY Klaas for this update, I for one would really like to hear her speak out! Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: cartfly on June 29, 2010, 09:34:12 PM IMO, school projects are assigned so that parents can sit with their children and teach them how to do the project. Guilty as charged :) but I do expect my son to learn something from each one I help him with. He gets excited to do projects now and double checks that we have everything required by the teacher. I have helped a few youngins in my family, and taught them how to do backgrounds, how to use a nice font, how to blend colors, where to sit the pictures, etc... I have found that even a 5 year old can learn just about everything, and after they learn something one time, the next time they can do it themselves. IF the parents do the projects, and don't sit with the child and teach them how it's done, it teaches the kid that they are not capable of doing a good job and their self-esteem really suffers... even if they bring an exceptional project to school. I think that most teachers expect a certain ushering by the parents. :) Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: seahorse on June 29, 2010, 09:35:25 PM http://www.blogtalkradio.com/levipage/2010/06/30/the-levi-page-show
Levi Page show is presently chatting about Kyron's case. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: Tracygirl on June 29, 2010, 09:38:39 PM Interesting thoughts Deenie. I don't think this has happened but what if Kaine was the mastermind behind all of this and is setting up Terri? Perhaps he wanted custody of his daughter and is hiding Kyron? He tells her to not speak to the media even though she is getting attacked. She has facebook postings, trips to the gym, which he went to as well, after a poly that has been filled with speculation, he files for divorce. I don't think a crimewriter could write a better story line. Again, I doubt this is what happened but I am surprise no one had thought of it.
I do agree the bio parents have gotten a free pass on this case and I think it goes to police saying Terri was the last known person to see Kyron. As Rob points out, unless you dismiss the child's story, she was not the last person, so again, sitting on the fence. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: seahorse on June 29, 2010, 09:39:06 PM ✄snipped✄ Brandi-, may I please have your permission to use this pic and your nice artwork for the header on the next thread for Kyron? oops.....I already did that this afternoon, only I didn't ask permission ::MonkeyEek:: Well, I made another if you want to use it sometime. ;-) (http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/Kyron/kyron-missing2.png) Brandi, Charming photo of Kyron, so cute! You are going to love the photograph of KH getting his first haircut, the third "thumbnail" photo underneath the larger picture. http://photos.oregonlive.com/4450/gallery/kyron_hormans_family_releases_photos_showing_boy_before_disappearance/slideshow/index.html Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: Deenie on June 29, 2010, 09:39:26 PM http://www.blogtalkradio.com/levipage/2010/06/30/the-levi-page-show Thank You Seahorse - I am listening Levi Page show is presently chatting about Kyron's case. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: cw618 on June 29, 2010, 09:39:30 PM something about the exclusion of kiity where abouts is so odd
kitty was with them at the bus stop, intel offices,plants, look to be no more than 20min away, so if he leaves at say noon,and no stops he would be home at 12;30-12;45pm the latest, wonder what time his day starts snips Though Kyron's parents mostly stayed away from specific information about the investigation, Horman did talk about where he was the day Kyron disappeared. He worked that morning at Intel, but came home in the afternoon. He waited at the bus stop for Kyron with his wife, Terri Moulton Horman, and their 18-month-old daughter. "When I saw him that morning, I was on my way to work," Horman said. "He was out feeding our cat, heading back inside. Just gave each other a big hug, told him to have a great day at the science fair with his project, that I was proud of him for all the effort and just the amazing project he put together and to just have a wonderful day." http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/kyron_hormans_parents_reveal_n.html intel http://tinyurl.com/2fjo6bv videos kyron http://topics.oregonlive.com/tag/kyron%20horman/videos.html%20%28%20http://topics.oregonlive.com/tag/kyron%20horman/videos.html%20%29 Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: Claycat on June 29, 2010, 09:41:07 PM Thanks, Wyks!
Brandi, the new one is beautiful, too! It makes me sad, because Kyron may be seeing all the universe in its glory right now without his glasses. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: NCSunny on June 29, 2010, 09:42:42 PM I am throwing this out to all and everyone. I know many feel that Terri is guilty for Kyron's disappearance. I cannot say either way. I feel that there is not enough " proof" to say that Terri is solely responsible or that she alone is guilty. I posted this earlier and am waiting approval. I understand that conventional theory is typically what it is. If it looks like a duck, walks, quacks like a duck .. it must be a duck. I don't know in this scenario if that is truly correct. I am not posing as a Terri Horman cheerleader. I am only offering up info. Please though read what I collected in thought. Again this is just my opinion. Its a long post ....... After reading along of all that has transpired in the last day with Kaine and Terri, I am perplexed. My post is of Terri and Kaine ( jmo) Since this news is about them, as a couple. I have felt all along that Terri is a scapegoat in all of this. I do not know if she is involved or not. I find it ” because” she was the last one to have Kryon/see Kryon- and her comment of hitting the gym .. not to be enough to Hang her. It that comment on her fb was never found by the public/media. What would replace it? to cause her such scrutiny. Other than she being the one who took Kyron to school the day of June 4th. Understanding that she has not made any statements to the public on her own ( from her own mouth to the public’s ear). I looked at Terri’s photos. The few that are online. If you go to this link, it has over 60+ photos of the Horman family. http://www.cbsnews.com/2300-504083_162-10003676-44.html?tag=page The photo’s that are from 41-47 appear to be Christmas 2009. ( That would be just 6 months ago) Photo 42: Is Kaine, Kyron, Kitty sitting on the couch with a Wii Band Hero. * I see in the photo that the couch has a sheet on it. On the upper left side is a woman’s pink silk robe/PJ. Was Terri sleeping on the couch? Not with Kaine. Photo 43: closer photo that it is clearly a woman’s pj - not a silk blouse etc. Kaine is dressed in day clothes. Kids in their pj’s. Photo 44: shows Kaine/Terri/Kyron/James - Terri looks noticeably Healthy, Happy, Face with color, Fit - and I may add twenty years younger than the present photo’s they are showing to the public now. Photo 47: shows again the Wii with Kyron/James and Kitty in the background. I notice too that all the gifts that are being shown in the photo’s are family oriented. Mom is usually Santa - so I don’t think that Kaine picked out these gifts. I believe these photos are from the Same Christmas, Kitty is all the photos(except for One) and Kyron has his Teeth * his front teeth. It shows too that Kyron and his brother had a good relationship. James is happily showing Kyron all the gifts. I notice too that in most of the photos from this link shows Kyron in over sized t-shirts. I think that the T-shirts were either once James’ or they were his and Kyron liked to wear his big brothers shirts. Going back to the photo with the sheet on the couch. It screams at me that someone was sleeping on it. Not just a couch cover say for Boots ..(to prevent cat hair) if that was the case it would be ” cover that went with the room decor” such as a full couch cover. What happened in the last 6 mos between Kaine and Terri. Why did Terri’s appearance fall apart? For someone who worked very very hard in her past ( Body Builder) and to me looks exceptionally healthy/fit in the photo named. Taken *I believe* 6 mos ago. Even the photo of her above ” She looks Great” unlike she does at present. I did see photos of Terri after the baby and she again looked awesome. Snapped back quite well. I wish I could find that photo. Looking at the ” Big Picture” and not tearing apart the unknown. The known is that Kyron’s Mother divorced Kaine when she was almost due to have Kyron. A divorce does not happen over night. For a pregnant woman at term, to follow through and Divorce her husband is very telling. Was this for reasons of custody? Did he threaten her and she beat him to the punch by filing for Divorce. For her to file a retraining order on him as well is very telling. What is it with Kaine and kids? Seems to be quite a correlation doesn’t it. I wonder what kind of Husband he was to Desiree. What type of Man he really is. I feel for Terri to lose her exterior so quickly, to show considerable aging, to gain weight so quickly, is a product of what was going on inside the Horman house. If you notice her skin today is paste white, her hair is frizzy and not glossy or shiny. That to me is Stress related. Not recreational drugs or anything that others are contemplating for her loss of looks. If Terri was abusing Drugs/Alcohol Kaine would know. Him working in/out of the house he would see Terri and how she cared for Kitty. If he had any inclination that Terri was not capable he would have taken action immediately. I think this all points to Kaine. I think he is very controlling. He knows he is the bread winner. He holds all the cards. Was he having an Affair? And not only told Terri he was but he told her ” If Only she could be a Better Wife/Mother” he would not have to go out else where .. that it was her fault. For his actions outside of the home. Which is another way of creating control and holding Terri mentally hostage. Words snipped from a Dr. Phil book. I am not a huge Dr Phil fan - but this does make sense in this scenario. http://drphil.com/articles/article/561 He speaks of Emotions felt when a Divorce is pending. My Gut says that Kaine, had in the near past threatened Terri with Divorce. Nothing to do with Kyron being missing. Rejection and Despair ((Both Kaine and Terri could be feeling this since they have suffered Divorces in their pasts)) “Feelings of rejection may run high because we often measure the results of our efforts in terms of whether or not the world accepts or rejects us,” Dr. Phil says. Sometimes, another person’s reaction can be a barometer of our worth and value. “When the love of our life leaves us, any past rejection issues can be magnified.” You may feel unworthy, not good enough or like damaged goods. A divorce may also signify the failure of your dream, because you couldn’t make the marriage work. Bitterness ( again both of them could feel this) “Riding what I call the bitter bus is pretty common for many reasons,” Dr. Phil says. You may be bitter that your spouse ruined the perfect family ideal you believed in and threw your life in turmoil. You may also feel like you didn’t deserve this outcome. ** Going back to Kaine working from inside the house and at his place of work - triggers me to think again that he likes to Monitor .. and Did very much so Monitor Terri. If you have ever lived with an silent abuser( I have) they love to ” check in” ” check up” and make their presence known - You live in My World, I make the rules/I make the money. We do not share as a couple.I am the king and you follow along.* Which all happens after the Lovey Dovey Honeymoon syndrome is over. That is not a loving relationship. That is a Man who brings in his insecurities from his past marriage. And throws it to the NEW Wife hand over fist .. so that she is controlled by him. So he wont be known as a failure ..yet again. Did Terri send James away, because he was old enough - to hear and see the turmoil. That he tried to step in and protect his Mother. So Terri sent James away, that he would not be in the middle. To protect him. Terri was in control of that choice to send James away. Its not like she was court ordered to lose her son. Notice how it has not been said that Kaine is the best DAD on the planet. By Desiree or anyone for that matter. Desiree doesn’t have a leg to stand on -other than do go along with what ever was created in court ( that she was able to have Kyron in her life)visitation. She would do nothing to disrupt that. I just think that Kaine has been left out of this picture. That he is somewhat to be seen as Hero ..and I don’t believe it. I think he has alliances, he has people in his corner. He has his own itinerary. Even if Terri’s life is destroyed along the way. To Him, Terri is disposable. Maybe Terri is scared to death to speak up for herself. Did anyone ever think of that? Kaine has now filed for Divorce/ Full custody of Kitty. Something is not being said here. In the wake of tragedy families bond closer, they do not rip apart ( even if they do not like each other). Even if Terri had something to do with Kyron’s disappearance( which I do not believe she did) the timing of this Divorce/Custody battle is irony. It’s Kaine’s life on repeat. I think Terri is being held to the wall - for reasons of ??? It will all come out soon enough. I think though that this blatant attack on Terri is going to bust wide open .. and it’s going to be a shock to all. jmo. Praying for Kyron - Who I believe is an innocent bystander to a failed marriage and god knows what else. -I would like to add that maybe James wanted to protect Kyron as well. Because James has been through all and everything. He has been shuffled around like a piece of luggage almost his entire life. He has no place to call home. He has never known stability. ::MonkeyNoNo:: Very good post Deenie, really gives a lot to think about, that I wouldn't have considered. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: NewfieMonkey on June 29, 2010, 09:42:58 PM Just because it's something I hadn't thought of ... stolen from InSession ... thanks InSession ::MonkeyKiss::
Kaine is the one who sent her son from the home ... eye for an eye kinda thing Just thought that was an interesting theory. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: cw618 on June 29, 2010, 09:43:39 PM Thanks, Wyks! Brandi, the new one is beautiful, too! It makes me sad, because Kyron may be seeing all the universe in its glory right now without his glasses. tears crying Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: Tracygirl on June 29, 2010, 09:43:57 PM Oops hit reply on the wrong post! Sorry I was talking about the project a few posts back! Klass or a mod can you delete what I said?
Removed Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: Tamikosmom on June 29, 2010, 09:44:07 PM So are the police alleging that Terri owns a gun? or has a history of using a gun in the commission of a crime? It's getting deep ::MonkeyNoNo:: I hope these cops are not singularly focused and in the end wrong. I know that many believe that the school was too "occupied" with people and parents in for the science fair, but you know children have been abducted from a house when the parents were in another room. I think I'll wait to see if there are charges before hoping on the bandwagon. I'm a fence sitter. ::MonkeyHaHa:: I don't think the police are alleging anything but it's said that is part of the restraining order. So I'm guessing that Kaine is saying that either she has threatened with a gun or has access to a gun and he fears it. Could it be that the truth encompassing what happened to Kyron has been revealed or strongly suspected and ... therefore it is assumed that his little sister could be at risk. There are past instances where a parent does harm to his/her children to get back at the spouse. Just speculating. Janet The father definately has some evidence pointing at Terri (negelct, child endangerment)..The police may just be waiting for her to crack, that's why they aren't naming her s suspect..they did the say thing with the girl in Phily in 2005 (I think)...they wouldn't name the guy that killed her a suspect....it's a police tactic....there's def something up with this restraining order...Terri didn't even get to dispute it... I hope to GOD this little boy is okay...it's breaking my heart What evidence? If it was known that Terri was neglectful and presented a danger to Kyron why did Kaine leave his precious son in her care? Kaine has to take some responsibility. Janet Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: Tracygirl on June 29, 2010, 09:44:50 PM IMO, school projects are assigned so that parents can sit with their children and teach them how to do the project. Guilty as charged :) but I do expect my son to learn something from each one I help him with. He gets excited to do projects now and double checks that we have everything required by the teacher. I have helped a few youngins in my family, and taught them how to do backgrounds, how to use a nice font, how to blend colors, where to sit the pictures, etc... I have found that even a 5 year old can learn just about everything, and after they learn something one time, the next time they can do it themselves. IF the parents do the projects, and don't sit with the child and teach them how it's done, it teaches the kid that they are not capable of doing a good job and their self-esteem really suffers... even if they bring an exceptional project to school. I think that most teachers expect a certain ushering by the parents. :) This was the post I meant to reply too! Yikes! Sorry everyone. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: Wyks on June 29, 2010, 09:46:24 PM Deenie~ (http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq117/Wyks_/Smilies/hug.gif)
Am so sorry for all that you've gone thru! I can sure relate to a good majority of that. And frustrating when your own family won't believe you, over the one 'you know you know', whom 'they THINK they know but don't really'. Sad. ::MonkeyNoNo:: You did the best for your daughter and yourself, the rest can fly a kite if they can't open their eyes long enough to see the truth. Am glad you made it out safely. What you've said about Terri, and about Kaine. Hmmmm... Thought-provoking for sure! The thing is, this could exactly be what's going on. All we know is what we are being spoon-fed by LE and the media. We don't know what is really happening behind the scenes. Wish we could sit down for a brief chat with Desiree, who might be able to one day paint a clearer picture of how things really are with Kaine. That Terri may be the scapegoat is possible. It really could be. It's true that something seems to have happened in her life to have caused drastic differences in such a short time. And I cannot help but think that her family had to have noticed. It could very well be that she had had enough back then and wanted out, but that was 'not allowed' by Kaine? I dunno. There's something about Kaine which I cannot put my finger on yet. That's why I said earlier that while the focus may be on Terri at the moment, everything pointing to her........... don't be surprised if an arrest is made and it's not her. Am hoping beyond hope that IF Kaine had anything to do with this, and Terri is simply the scapegoat, that LE are on top of this, playing along, and are fully prepared to rip the rug out from under him, or whomever may be their 'sekrit' perp. But IF it is Terri, then may God help her, cuz she's going down. IMO. Why O why do I straddle the fence so often in these cases ... the fence that stands smack between 'LE and the public think it's this one', but I'm over here going but but but.. what if they just want us to THINK that?? and there's either a real perp hiding in plain view right there, or one or more accomplices hiding behind the scapegoat who seems to be fully prepared to take the fall for everyone????? shades of melissa huckaby.... <shiver me timbers> Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: NewfieMonkey on June 29, 2010, 09:46:32 PM oh clarifying .. that kind of sounded like I'm stating as fact that Kaine sent the kid packing ... that's not known ... that's the theory ...
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR Post by: cartfly on June 29, 2010, 09:47:25 PM ✄snipped✄ Brandi-, may I please have your permission to use this pic and your nice artwork for the header on the next thread for Kyron? oops.....I already did that this afternoon, only I didn't ask permission ::MonkeyEek:: Well, I made another if you want to use it sometime. ;-) (http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/Kyron/kyron-missing2.png) Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: Wyks on June 29, 2010, 09:48:51 PM well my youngest says if i were to take my tin foil hat off, might help things.. that there's not a wolf behind every tree. ??????? pfffffft! on him. ::MonkeyTongue::
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: Brandi on June 29, 2010, 09:49:10 PM Thanks, Wyks! Brandi, the new one is beautiful, too! It makes me sad, because Kyron may be seeing all the universe in its glory right now without his glasses. tears crying Sorry. Intent was not to make anyone sadder. It's a sad situation though, no matter where he is right now. ::MonkeyNoNo:: Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: Tracygirl on June 29, 2010, 09:54:12 PM So are the police alleging that Terri owns a gun? or has a history of using a gun in the commission of a crime? It's getting deep ::MonkeyNoNo:: I hope these cops are not singularly focused and in the end wrong. I know that many believe that the school was too "occupied" with people and parents in for the science fair, but you know children have been abducted from a house when the parents were in another room. I think I'll wait to see if there are charges before hoping on the bandwagon. I'm a fence sitter. ::MonkeyHaHa:: I don't think the police are alleging anything but it's said that is part of the restraining order. So I'm guessing that Kaine is saying that either she has threatened with a gun or has access to a gun and he fears it. Could it be that the truth encompassing what happened to Kyron has been revealed or strongly suspected and ... therefore it is assumed that his little sister could be at risk. There are past instances where a parent does harm to his/her children to get back at the spouse. Just speculating. Janet The father definately has some evidence pointing at Terri (negelct, child endangerment)..The police may just be waiting for her to crack, that's why they aren't naming her s suspect..they did the say thing with the girl in Phily in 2005 (I think)...they wouldn't name the guy that killed her a suspect....it's a police tactic....there's def something up with this restraining order...Terri didn't even get to dispute it... I hope to GOD this little boy is okay...it's breaking my heart What evidence? If it was known that Terri was neglectful and presented a danger to Kyron why did Kaine leave his precious son in her care? Kaine has to take some responsibility. Janet Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: seahorse on June 29, 2010, 09:55:42 PM http://www.blogtalkradio.com/levipage/2010/06/30/the-levi-page-show Thank You Seahorse - I am listening Levi Page show is presently chatting about Kyron's case. Your Welcome, Deenie, The show is a little irrating, I think it is the high pitched womens voices. ::MonkeyNoNo:: Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: Wyks on June 29, 2010, 09:57:40 PM TY for contacting him. I have read that quite a few people find him abrasive, but if it were my child, I would most definately want him on my side doing all he can. And yes, he does seem to care a lot for his dogs, which I find admirable! I am praying that little Kyron will be found soon and brought safely back to those who love him. Maybe tomorrow we will have some good news! ::MonkeyAngel:: You're welcome, NCSunny! Some do and some don't. I can relate with him and understand why he appears to be bitter... and abrasive to some. Doesn't change it for me that he is excellent at what he does. And yeah, I'm with you! I'd definitely want his help if ever needed. I love it too how he takes such good care of his dogs, and told him that. He truly IS all about finding the missing and helping his dogs in every way to be up to the task of doing so. Could be why he has the world leading search dog. Am glad there are so many of us praying and concentrating together on Kyron being found. Thanks!! ::MonkeyAngel:: Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: shy-monkey on June 29, 2010, 09:58:13 PM Am I the only one thinking there was already something going really bad with Kaine and the stepmom the night before or the morning of Kyron's disappearance? Or is there a reason why Kaine only worked in the AM on that day?
It's being said that the reason he was only at the bus stop this one time was because he worked full time at Intel (I believe) and didn't get off until after Kyron was already home from school. He just happened to only work in the morning on the day Kyron went missing, Everyone seems to be okay with that reason, but I find it strange that the *get off work early-lucky day to wait with the wife and daughter* just happened to fall on the day Kyron went missing? Did Intel close early, send people home, as in not just him etc or did he ask to go home early because he had reason to believe she might do something to the kids. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: Brandi on June 29, 2010, 09:59:54 PM http://www.blogtalkradio.com/levipage/2010/06/30/the-levi-page-show Thank You Seahorse - I am listening Levi Page show is presently chatting about Kyron's case. Your Welcome, Deenie, The show is a little irrating, I think it is the high pitched womens voices. ::MonkeyNoNo:: You sure that's not Levi's voice? Sorry, I am being a bad monkey. I don't care for his type of "news" coverage. Going to the corner now. ::MonkeyTongue:: Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: cw618 on June 29, 2010, 10:02:19 PM Thanks, Wyks! Brandi, the new one is beautiful, too! It makes me sad, because Kyron may be seeing all the universe in its glory right now without his glasses. tears crying Sorry. Intent was not to make anyone sadder. It's a sad situation though, no matter where he is right now. ::MonkeyNoNo:: kk, it is beautiful sadly we all know what the end results are over 90% of the time after a 24hr-72hr time frame when someone that young is missing Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: klaasend on June 29, 2010, 10:04:08 PM Am I the only one thinking there was already something going really bad with Kaine and the stepmom the night before or the morning of Kyron's disappearance? Or is there a reason why Kaine only worked in the AM on that day? It's being said that the reason he was only at the bus stop this one time was because he worked full time at Intel (I believe) and didn't get off until after Kyron was already home from school. He just happened to only work in the morning on the day Kyron went missing, Everyone seems to be okay with that reason, but I find it strange that the *get off work early-lucky day to wait with the wife and daughter* just happened to fall on the day Kyron went missing? Did Intel close early, send people home, as in not just him etc or did he ask to go home early because he had reason to believe she might do something to the kids. Welcome ShyMonkey and excellent points. I don't know the deal with his work hours and Intel. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: cartfly on June 29, 2010, 10:05:27 PM EDIT - removed part of post that Tracygirl didn't mean to reply to That is so funny Tracygirl!!!!! I have to admit I am a bit of a perfectionist also.....:)LOL my sons make me stand in the door way and only give verbal directions, I am not allowed to touch their projects! Once I "helped" too much and my son came up to me after school, handing me his project, patted me on the shoulder and said, "good job mom you got an A" lol that was the last time I allowed my perfectionism to get in the way. OT: (Our last project was on "ferrofluid" (it is a magnetic fluid), look it up on youtube to see it in action; it is amazing! We even found a place to buy it from and so he was able to demonstrate it. His project was the talk of the school and the best compliment was from his teacher who told me it is such a wonderful thing when one of my students teaches me something. She was like a kid herself with the ferro fluid! It is a great science project idea. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: Wyks on June 29, 2010, 10:06:53 PM http://www.blogtalkradio.com/levipage/2010/06/30/the-levi-page-show Thank You Seahorse - I am listening Levi Page show is presently chatting about Kyron's case. Your Welcome, Deenie, The show is a little irrating, I think it is the high pitched womens voices. ::MonkeyNoNo:: You sure that's not Levi's voice? Sorry, I am being a bad monkey. I don't care for his type of "news" coverage. Going to the corner now. ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyShocked:: naughty monkey! lol but am joining you in that corner, cuz I don't like it either. ::MonkeyNoNo:: Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 29, 2010, 10:08:03 PM Am I the only one thinking there was already something going really bad with Kaine and the stepmom the night before or the morning of Kyron's disappearance? Or is there a reason why Kaine only worked in the AM on that day? WELCOME I believe I've read that at times Kaine worked from the home. Those are very good points you brought up.It's being said that the reason he was only at the bus stop this one time was because he worked full time at Intel (I believe) and didn't get off until after Kyron was already home from school. He just happened to only work in the morning on the day Kyron went missing, Everyone seems to be okay with that reason, but I find it strange that the *get off work early-lucky day to wait with the wife and daughter* just happened to fall on the day Kyron went missing? Did Intel close early, send people home, as in not just him etc or did he ask to go home early because he had reason to believe she might do something to the kids. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: seahorse on June 29, 2010, 10:09:59 PM http://www.koinlocal6.com/content/news/topstories/story/Terri-Horman-may-talk-to-the-media/Dz4uMChK60KCWjy3W5FG4Q.cspx Terri Horman may talk to the media Last Update: 4:46 pm Terri may talk to the media PORTLAND, Ore. – Terri Moulton Horman was “blindsided” by the divorce papers, according to a close friend. A friend of Terri who wished to remain anonymous, told KOIN Local 6 Kyron Horman’s step-mother was caught off guard when she was served divorce papers as well as a restraining order from her husband and Kyron’s father, Kaine Horman. “Terri didn’t know she was going to be hit with divorce papers or a restraining order,” the friend said. The friend said Terri may consider talking publicly and airing her side of the story. “She’s been doing what Kaine said all along and he’s been telling her to stay quiet. The public will benefit from hearing what she has to say.” (snipped) TY Klaas for this update, I for one would really like to hear her speak out! "Heaven has no rage like love to hatred turned / Nor hell a fury like a woman scorned." William Shakespeare It won't be pleasant whatever it is SM wishes to say. IMO. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: NewfieMonkey on June 29, 2010, 10:11:07 PM Am I the only one thinking there was already something going really bad with Kaine and the stepmom the night before or the morning of Kyron's disappearance? Or is there a reason why Kaine only worked in the AM on that day? Welcome! It's being said that the reason he was only at the bus stop this one time was because he worked full time at Intel (I believe) and didn't get off until after Kyron was already home from school. He just happened to only work in the morning on the day Kyron went missing, Everyone seems to be okay with that reason, but I find it strange that the *get off work early-lucky day to wait with the wife and daughter* just happened to fall on the day Kyron went missing? Did Intel close early, send people home, as in not just him etc or did he ask to go home early because he had reason to believe she might do something to the kids. Good questions. Yes, I think (if she did it - get my fence seat ready) that there were some issues going on. I'm not on the 'she had it planned' wagon ... I think it was probably an emotional reaction to something else either going on in the marriage or with her personally. As to why he was home that day ... I think some Intel employees work at home a lot ... and if he didn't usually go meet the bus ... I'm guessing maybe Terri asked him to go with her ??? Sheesh ... Now I'm all confused again ... did she do it ... did she not ... did she do it ... did she not. Anyway ~ once again ~ Welcome ::MonkeyDance:: Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: Wyks on June 29, 2010, 10:12:48 PM Am I the only one thinking there was already something going really bad with Kaine and the stepmom the night before or the morning of Kyron's disappearance? Or is there a reason why Kaine only worked in the AM on that day? It's being said that the reason he was only at the bus stop this one time was because he worked full time at Intel (I believe) and didn't get off until after Kyron was already home from school. He just happened to only work in the morning on the day Kyron went missing, Everyone seems to be okay with that reason, but I find it strange that the *get off work early-lucky day to wait with the wife and daughter* just happened to fall on the day Kyron went missing? Did Intel close early, send people home, as in not just him etc or did he ask to go home early because he had reason to believe she might do something to the kids. Hi shy-monkey, and welcome! (http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq117/Wyks_/Smilies/flower.gif) Yep, you've raised some good questions! We've tried figuring some of this out, but it's real hard to do, cuz there's too much we don't know about Kaine, his work schedule (before and the day that Kyron went missing), and etc. Wish we did know more of those details. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: seahorse on June 29, 2010, 10:13:36 PM http://www.blogtalkradio.com/levipage/2010/06/30/the-levi-page-show Thank You Seahorse - I am listening Levi Page show is presently chatting about Kyron's case. Your Welcome, Deenie, The show is a little irrating, I think it is the high pitched womens voices. ::MonkeyNoNo:: You sure that's not Levi's voice? Sorry, I am being a bad monkey. I don't care for his type of "news" coverage. Going to the corner now. ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyShocked:: naughty monkey! lol but am joining you in that corner, cuz I don't like it either. ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: At least Levi stopped his intro of jungle sounds of tigers and lions..scared me.. ::MonkeyHaHa:: Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: Wyks on June 29, 2010, 10:15:30 PM Just because it's something I hadn't thought of ... stolen from InSession ... thanks InSession ::MonkeyKiss:: Kaine is the one who sent her son from the home ... eye for an eye kinda thing Just thought that was an interesting theory. interesting, yes. it sure would explain a few things if we knew that for sure. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: cw618 on June 29, 2010, 10:18:18 PM Am I the only one thinking there was already something going really bad with Kaine and the stepmom the night before or the morning of Kyron's disappearance? Or is there a reason why Kaine only worked in the AM on that day? It's being said that the reason he was only at the bus stop this one time was because he worked full time at Intel (I believe) and didn't get off until after Kyron was already home from school. He just happened to only work in the morning on the day Kyron went missing, Everyone seems to be okay with that reason, but I find it strange that the *get off work early-lucky day to wait with the wife and daughter* just happened to fall on the day Kyron went missing? Did Intel close early, send people home, as in not just him etc or did he ask to go home early because he had reason to believe she might do something to the kids. Welcome ShyMonkey and excellent points. I don't know the deal with his work hours and Intel. i have been trying to fig these out this post i made shows a TH time frame http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8073.msg1172799#msg1172799 hubby possible time frame http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8073.msg1172932#msg1172932 Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: cartfly on June 29, 2010, 10:18:25 PM well my youngest says if i were to take my tin foil hat off, might help things.. that there's not a wolf behind every tree. ??????? pfffffft! on him. ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyHaHa::Thank you Wyks, I am laughing and crying at the same time......the weird thing, it sort of feels good having two opposite emotions at the same time. Thank you again for keeping in touch with the search team. ::MonkeyAngel:: Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: Wyks on June 29, 2010, 10:19:45 PM "Heaven has no rage like love to hatred turned / Nor hell a fury like a woman scorned." William Shakespeare It won't be pleasant whatever it is SM wishes to say. IMO. ::MonkeyDevil:: Isn't that the truth tho! She could blurt out the entire truth, or .... she could throw someone under the bus. Then again, either or both might be what LE's intent has been all along. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: shy-monkey on June 29, 2010, 10:21:28 PM Welcome ShyMonkey and excellent points. I don't know the deal with his work hours and Intel. Thanks Klaas;0) I don't know a lot of details on it either. I was reading around today and it had been asked if it was normal for Kaine to be at the bus stop and the answer was no. But then it was explained away in the same sentence that he got off early. Just now on Nancy Grace it was said on this day he worked from home? which now that's said to not be normal for him to do? So he was home all day? Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: Wyks on June 29, 2010, 10:22:47 PM ::MonkeyHaHa:: At least Levi stopped his intro of jungle sounds of tigers and lions..scared me.. ::MonkeyHaHa:: He did?? That's good to know! Cuz back when I listened to his show I had to be sure to get my cat off my lap before his show came on. Sudden extended claws on my legs wasn't too pleasant. ::MonkeyHaHa:: Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: cw618 on June 29, 2010, 10:26:11 PM i would like to see these, would be very telling i think
http://www.flashalertnewswire.net/images/news/2010-06/1276/36184/061410.SchoolQuestionnaireadobe.hm.pdf Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: Wyks on June 29, 2010, 10:29:56 PM well my youngest says if i were to take my tin foil hat off, might help things.. that there's not a wolf behind every tree. ??????? pfffffft! on him. ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyHaHa::Thank you Wyks, I am laughing and crying at the same time......the weird thing, it sort of feels good having two opposite emotions at the same time. Thank you again for keeping in touch with the search team. ::MonkeyAngel:: You're welcome, Cartfly! ::piggy:: Yeah, you're right, it does feel good. We do need a balance between the emotions, especially in cases like this! Else it will drive us to ----> ::monkeywine2:: even more. LOL Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: klaasend on June 29, 2010, 10:32:36 PM This was the first article posted in our thread about Kyron:
Police looking for missing Skyline Elementary student By KATU.com Staff http://www.katu.com/news/local/95669809.html Police are looking for a second grader from Skyline Elementary who did not come home from school Friday. Story Published: Jun 4, 2010 at 8:42 PM PDT Story Updated: Jun 5, 2010 at 12:42 PM PDT PORTLAND, Ore. - Police are looking for a second grader from Skyline Elementary who did not come home from school Friday. Late Friday night the search for 7-year-old Kyron Horman was upgraded to a major crimes team investigation which brings in the FBI. Officials said the search was upgraded because the FBI has more resources. Portland Public Schools spokesman Matt Shelby said Horman was at school Friday and Portland Public Schools sent out an automated phone call to all Skyline parents alerting them to the missing boy. The Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office and the Portland Police Bureau have been on the scene searching for the boy since early Friday evening and have been calling the boy’s name in the area of the school. His stepmother took Horman to a science fair at the school Friday morning. They walked through a number of classrooms and his stepmother left at 8:45. According to the sheriff’s office, the stepmother saw the boy walking toward his classroom as she left the building but officials with Portland Public Schools said Horman’s teacher never saw him in class which started at 10 a.m. The teacher marked him absent. When Horman didn’t get off the bus in the afternoon, his parents called police. Shelby said Horman’s parents weren’t notified when he was marked absent because Skyline doesn’t use an auto-dialer which calls parents to report the student is absent. Shelby said the school doesn’t use such a system because it doesn’t have problems with attendance. If anyone has any information to the whereabouts of Horman they are urged to call the following phone number: (503) 261-2847. I find it ODD that Terri left Kyron at the school when class didn't begin until 10am. So he had over an hour to wait for class to begin? Something wrong about that. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: seahorse on June 29, 2010, 10:34:48 PM ::MonkeyHaHa:: At least Levi stopped his intro of jungle sounds of tigers and lions..scared me.. ::MonkeyHaHa:: He did?? That's good to know! Cuz back when I listened to his show I had to be sure to get my cat off my lap before his show came on. Sudden extended claws on my legs wasn't too pleasant. ::MonkeyHaHa:: LOL you silly monkey ::MonkeyLaugh:: I am going to giggling in my sleep with you and your cat! LOL Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: ozziesmom on June 29, 2010, 10:34:55 PM So are the police alleging that Terri owns a gun? or has a history of using a gun in the commission of a crime? It's getting deep ::MonkeyNoNo:: I hope these cops are not singularly focused and in the end wrong. I know that many believe that the school was too "occupied" with people and parents in for the science fair, but you know children have been abducted from a house when the parents were in another room. I think I'll wait to see if there are charges before hoping on the bandwagon. I'm a fence sitter. ::MonkeyHaHa:: I don't think the police are alleging anything but it's said that is part of the restraining order. So I'm guessing that Kaine is saying that either she has threatened with a gun or has access to a gun and he fears it. Could it be that the truth encompassing what happened to Kyron has been revealed or strongly suspected and ... therefore it is assumed that his little sister could be at risk. There are past instances where a parent does harm to his/her children to get back at the spouse. Just speculating. Janet The father definately has some evidence pointing at Terri (negelct, child endangerment)..The police may just be waiting for her to crack, that's why they aren't naming her s suspect..they did the say thing with the girl in Phily in 2005 (I think)...they wouldn't name the guy that killed her a suspect....it's a police tactic....there's def something up with this restraining order...Terri didn't even get to dispute it... I hope to GOD this little boy is okay...it's breaking my heart What evidence? If it was known that Terri was neglectful and presented a danger to Kyron why did Kaine leave his precious son in her care? Kaine has to take some responsibility. Janet We don't really know much of anything yet...just a theory, from watching other cases and what they have/haven't said...it's just odd that they would take her daughter away without her being able to fight it in court so quickly..and close the file..ususally in divorce the mother is favored unless there is something that goes against her....maybe a prior police record, domestic problems on file with the state..I don't know anything, I'm just guessing....it's not looking good, but the police aren't saying... Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 29, 2010, 10:36:56 PM Something very wrong about that, if class didn't start until 10 why would she just leave him there at 8:45? It was on NG, that Kaine wanted Terri's son out of the house and so he went to live with his grandparents. Maybe that was part of the decline of Terri, if that is true.
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: klaasend on June 29, 2010, 10:39:15 PM http://www.kgw.com/news/Second-grade-student-missing-from-Skyline-Elementary-95670454.html
((snipped)) Parent Gina Zimmerman was at the school for the science fair, which she described as major academic and social event for the school where the day's events included an afternoon talent show. She said Kyron is not the type of child to wander off. "He knows 'stranger danger," she said. "He's a really good kid." Parents are shocked at the disappearance, she said, and have been calling to share concerns at "our little school where everyone knows everybody." She last saw Kyron in the morning, when he posed in a classroom in front of his "red-eyed tree frog" science project. He was posing for a picture taken by his mother, whom he loves, Zimmerman said. Zimmerman's daughter Madi is one of Kyron's best friends. The 8-year-old said she and Kyron would play Dragons and Knights and sway together on the tire swings. "I'm very worried and I hope he's okay," she said. She also said Kyron would not have gone off with a stranger, only with his mother, whom he loves. Portland Public Schools spokesman Matt Shelby said two teachers saw Kyron with his stepmother and thought the two left school together. He said it was common for parents to pick up kids this way, so no suspicions were raised. ((snipped)) I find it odd that the friend kept saying how much Kyron loved Terri. I'm sure he did and I'm sure he loved his father, bio mom and stepdad too. Even though he lived in his Kaine's home with his dad and Terri, he did see his mom and stepdad as well. I just find it odd she mentioned it twice. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: NewfieMonkey on June 29, 2010, 10:39:16 PM I find it ODD that Terri left Kyron at the school when class didn't begin until 10am. So he had over an hour to wait for class to begin? Something wrong about that. I thought that too but then read that they were taking 'tours in small groups' - I just assumed that's what was happening until school started. As with everything else ... just not enough confirmed info.Time for the bunky. Night Monkeys! Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: klaasend on June 29, 2010, 10:43:12 PM I find it ODD that Terri left Kyron at the school when class didn't begin until 10am. So he had over an hour to wait for class to begin? Something wrong about that. I thought that too but then read that they were taking 'tours in small groups' - I just assumed that's what was happening until school started. As with everything else ... just not enough confirmed info.Time for the bunky. Night Monkeys! OK, but do you tell your 7yr old at 8:45 in the morning, go now and find your group, I'll see you later? OR, do you make sure he is WITH his group then leave? Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: Brandi on June 29, 2010, 10:45:05 PM Something very wrong about that, if class didn't start until 10 why would she just leave him there at 8:45? It was on NG, that Kaine wanted Terri's son out of the house and so he went to live with his grandparents. Maybe that was part of the decline of Terri, if that is true. Yup... Timeline states classes started at 10 AM 8:15 a.m. Gina Zimmerman, president of the school PTA, arrives and sees Kyron with his stepmother in front of his exhibit. 8:45 a.m. Terri Horman leaves after watching Kyron walk toward his classroom after touring the science fair. 9 a.m. Kyron is seen by a student near the south entrance of the school, according to Sheriff Dan Staton, who says that was the last time the boy was seen. Multnomah County authorities later backtrack on that statement. 10 a.m. Classes begin. http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/kyron_horman_chronology_of_eve.html Good thought, Klaas. I hadn't noticed that. A long time to leave a young boy under no one's supervision, if you ask me. I also think the school/teacher/system failed him by not notifying the parent via phone call when he was not present in class. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: NewfieMonkey on June 29, 2010, 10:46:34 PM I find it ODD that Terri left Kyron at the school when class didn't begin until 10am. So he had over an hour to wait for class to begin? Something wrong about that. I thought that too but then read that they were taking 'tours in small groups' - I just assumed that's what was happening until school started. As with everything else ... just not enough confirmed info.Time for the bunky. Night Monkeys! OK, but do you tell your 7yr old at 8:45 in the morning, go now and find your group, I'll see you later? OR, do you make sure he is WITH his group then leave? And that whole PTA lady stressing how much he loves his step-mother is just plain weird! Who talks like that?! Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: Wyks on June 29, 2010, 10:46:46 PM Welcome ShyMonkey and excellent points. I don't know the deal with his work hours and Intel. Thanks Klaas;0) I don't know a lot of details on it either. I was reading around today and it had been asked if it was normal for Kaine to be at the bus stop and the answer was no. But then it was explained away in the same sentence that he got off early. Just now on Nancy Grace it was said on this day he worked from home? which now that's said to not be normal for him to do? So he was home all day? I guess that's the hardest part for me to believe. That Kaine said this and that, and we are to take that as the gospel truth. I don't think we can just take his word for it. Else why aren't we just taking say... Terri's word for it when she says she last saw Kyron in the hallway walking toward his class. Odd to me is that while Kaine says *we* so much in everything about the busstop, calling 911, etc. And that he was there..... When Terri explained all this she didn't mention AT ALL that Kaine was there, nothing about going for ice cream afterward, nada. Had he really been there, why didn't she say something like, 'and omg I was soooo glad Kaine was right there with me!' I mean... wouldn't that have been a reaction any of us might have had? Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: cw618 on June 29, 2010, 10:47:39 PM opportunity or planned
unknown/or known offender...maybe, has happened b4..opportunity/and planned family member...premeditated, it just didnt occur to them 1hr and 10min b4 class starts cartfly a few pgs back is a link to TH facebook that a blog copied Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: shy-monkey on June 29, 2010, 10:56:17 PM Welcome! Good questions. Yes, I think (if she did it - get my fence seat ready) that there were some issues going on. I'm not on the 'she had it planned' wagon ... I think it was probably an emotional reaction to something else either going on in the marriage or with her personally. As to why he was home that day ... I think some Intel employees work at home a lot ... and if he didn't usually go meet the bus ... I'm guessing maybe Terri asked him to go with her ??? Sheesh ... Now I'm all confused again ... did she do it ... did she not ... did she do it ... did she not. Anyway ~ once again ~ Welcome ::MonkeyDance:: Thanks Newfie:0) I'm on the fence too, I need more facts. At this point I'm still not 100% sure it wasn't a random kidnapping or one of opportunaty.....probably not.... Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: cw618 on June 29, 2010, 10:58:39 PM Something very wrong about that, if class didn't start until 10 why would she just leave him there at 8:45? It was on NG, that Kaine wanted Terri's son out of the house and so he went to live with his grandparents. Maybe that was part of the decline of Terri, if that is true. right how big was this fair, she shows up at..... 8:15 a.m. Gina Zimmerman, president of the school PTA, arrives and sees Kyron with his stepmother in front of his exhibit. and as far as we know Gina Zimmerman, does not mention kitty 9 a.m. Kyron is seen by a student near the south entrance of the school, according to Sheriff Dan Staton, who says that was the last time the boy was seen. Multnomah County authorities later backtrack on that statement. class starts at 10 a.m. Classes begin. http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/kyron_horman_chronology_of_eve.html Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: Curly on June 29, 2010, 10:59:46 PM I always go off my first instincts. I got a bad vibe from the step-mother, and seeing the dynamics between her and Kaine when they finally spoke up in public, I got the feeling things weren't to lovey-dovey between them. The question is: where is Kyron? That did she (they) do with him?
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: cw618 on June 29, 2010, 11:03:57 PM I always go off my first instincts. I got a bad vibe from the step-mother, and seeing the dynamics between her and Kaine when they finally spoke up in public, I got the feeling things weren't to lovey-dovey between them. The question is: where is Kyron? That did she (they) do with him? The question is: where is Kyron? That did she (they) do with him? cant find the post, but they own 4.6+ acres mostly wooded seems like a start point Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: Wyks on June 29, 2010, 11:04:13 PM LOL you silly monkey ::MonkeyLaugh:: I am going to giggling in my sleep with you and your cat! LOL LOL!!! ::MonkeyJnBox:: Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: Wyks on June 29, 2010, 11:07:51 PM http://www.kgw.com/news/Second-grade-student-missing-from-Skyline-Elementary-95670454.html <snipped> I find it odd that the friend kept saying how much Kyron loved Terri. I'm sure he did and I'm sure he loved his father, bio mom and stepdad too. Even though he lived in his Kaine's home with his dad and Terri, he did see his mom and stepdad as well. I just find it odd she mentioned it twice. Hmmmmmmmmmmm... Thank you for posting that Klaas, I've read and read what that 'friend' said, and hadn't noticed before her saying this twice. Verrrrry weird! Almost as if her whole intention was that we knew that part, the rest was fluff. ?? Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: ozziesmom on June 29, 2010, 11:11:15 PM I always go off my first instincts. I got a bad vibe from the step-mother, and seeing the dynamics between her and Kaine when they finally spoke up in public, I got the feeling things weren't to lovey-dovey between them. The question is: where is Kyron? That did she (they) do with him? I hate to admit this, but as soon as this hit the news and I heard STEP mother I got a bad vibe.... Then I saw them on TV and she seemed "off" not that I have any idea how I'd feel (everyone deals differently) It just looked a little forced to me (how she was hanging onto the bio mom) and the bio mom, didn't comfort her back at all...Maybe I'm wrong, who knows? I just Hope and pray that little boy is okay... Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: tcumom on June 29, 2010, 11:13:27 PM Do we know what TH was doing during the time she left Kyron, and when she waited at the bus stop?
Sorry if this has been mentioned...just haven't seen it. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: cw618 on June 29, 2010, 11:16:14 PM Do we know what TH was doing during the time she left Kyron, and when she waited at the bus stop? Sorry if this has been mentioned...just haven't seen it. not according to this timeline, the best ive found so far http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/kyron_horman_chronology_of_eve.html Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: cw618 on June 29, 2010, 11:18:55 PM Do we know what TH was doing during the time she left Kyron, and when she waited at the bus stop? Sorry if this has been mentioned...just haven't seen it. not according to this timeline, the best ive found so far http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/kyron_horman_chronology_of_eve.html getting tired messed it up 1:21 p.m. Terri Horman posts photos of Kyron at the science fair on her Facebook page. 3:30 p.m. Terri Horman goes to meet the school bus and discovers that Kyron has been absent all day. http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/kyron_horman_chronology_of_eve.html Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: klaasend on June 29, 2010, 11:20:45 PM NEW BLINK POST:
http://blinkoncrime.com/2010/06/29/kyron-horman-missing-and-endangered-sources-terri-horman-arrest-is-imminent/ Kyron Horman Missing and Endangered Sources: Terri Horman Arrest Is Imminent Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: Wyks on June 29, 2010, 11:25:46 PM Do we know what TH was doing during the time she left Kyron, and when she waited at the bus stop? Sorry if this has been mentioned...just haven't seen it. It's been said she said she had errands to run etc in the morning, and I think household chores or something like that. There are rumors afloat about other things that may have happened that morning. (cell phone pings, her mustang driving erratically). Then folks noticed she was on facebook in the afternoon before going to the bus. Kaine mentions he worked that morning, came home in the afternoon. Haven't seen him mention what he did between the time he came home and before going to the bus. Details is what we need! Details and those being confirmed by LE. Which we may get later on down the road. Sigh. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: Wyks on June 29, 2010, 11:31:56 PM CW ~
I dunno what time Kaine's workday started........ early am guessing. Cuz he supposedly last saw Kyron as he was leaving for work, while Kyron was feeding his cat, before going to school. Kyron and Terri supposedly got to school about 8am or so, according to Terri. They were seen there at 8:15am. I'm thinking Kaine's workday probably began somewhere around 8am. Just a guess. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: tcumom on June 29, 2010, 11:32:51 PM Thanks to everyone for your replies ~ so, I guess no one except TH knows what was going on until she conveniently posted on Facebook. Seems like someone would have mentioned seeing her or running into her. I sure wish we knew what she's said to LE and to Kaine. Surely there was some sort of conversation as they waited at the bus stop. ::MonkeyNoNo::
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: klaasend on June 29, 2010, 11:48:11 PM http://www.kptv.com/news/24087500/detail.html
No New Info In Search For Kyron, Deputies Say POSTED: 4:08 pm PDT June 29, 2010 UPDATED: 5:09 pm PDT June 29, 2010 PORTLAND, Ore. -- Multnomah County deputies said Tuesday there was no new information in the search for missing 7-year-old Kyron Horman. Although there did not appear to be any additional large scale searches for the boy, private citizens have been beating the brush and looking for any sign of the child. Two weeks ago, the Sauvie Island area was littered with search teams On Tuesday, however, a FOX 12 reporter found only one man, who said he doesn't want notoriety, but simply wants to find Kyron. At the urging of a psychic, Gary Hartfield searched parts of Sauvie Island where he believed he may find clues in Kyron's disappearance. He parked at the end of Reeder Road on the north end of the island. "I do have a friend who has some psychic abilities and she had told me some things that led me to this area -- talking about farm land and trees and dirt roads," he said. "So, I just decided to come out here and check out a few roads I was aware of and see if I could find anything." Hartfield said he found a pair of child-size tennis shoes, but when compared to a recent photo of the shoes worn by Kyron on the day he disappeared, they were not a match. Hartfield said he still plans to give the shoes to investigators. Other private citizens, including nationally known psychic Ed Dames, also plan on continuing their searches for Kyron. Dames, who is most noted for his work on the radio show "Coast to Coast," will soon be visiting Portland in hopes of finding Kyron. Another professional search investigator also plans to begin a search Wednesday, but it was not immediately clear where the search would take place. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: Tracygirl on June 29, 2010, 11:54:21 PM Klaas, although it says class was to begin at 10 after the fair, the bells still rang on time and one being at 8:45. I have read the kids were to go to class and then by 9 be sent in groups to visit the various classrooms etc where the displays were set. So although Terri did leave him at 8:45 he wasn't on his own until 10. My question has always been, was there someone in the classroom at 8:45 when Kyron supposedly walked into it or was it empty?
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: klaasend on June 29, 2010, 11:56:19 PM http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/kyron_horman_stepmother.html
Kyron Horman stepmother increasingly focus of law enforcement Published: Tuesday, June 29, 2010, 7:55 PM Updated: Tuesday, June 29, 2010, 8:17 PM More than three weeks after 7-year-old Kryon Horman was last seen at his school's science fair, law enforcement authorities have flat out declined to say whether the stepmom who took him to school is a suspect or person of interest. Yet their actions have increasingly homed in on Terri Moulton Horman. Kyron's stepmother, who snapped the ubiquitous photo of the second-grader wearing a CSI shirt and beaming a sweet smile beside his science fair exhibit, remains at her rural Northwest Portland home isolated, as family distances themselves, and investigators feverishly focus on her. The stepmom was grilled for hours through two polygraph exams, friends and family said. Authorities released a flier and questionnaire June 18, featuring Terri's photo and a model of the white truck she was driving when she took Kyron to school June 4, asking if anybody had seen either that day. The parents, not the stepmom who raised Kyron since infancy, sat for interviews with national media last Friday. And Monday night, as leaks filtered to the media that Kyron's father had moved out with their 19-month-old daughter, Kyron's father, biological mother and stepfather released a statement through the Multnomah County Sheriff's Office -- one with a glaring omission, no shared signature from Terri. "Any actions taken by the investigation, or by us, are based on the best interests of Kyron and Kiara and comply with the law," the statement said. The statement seemed a veiled reference to a petition for a restraining order that Kyron's dad, Kaine Horman, sought Monday afternoon in Multnomah County Circuit Court against his wife, along with his petition for divorce. He moved out of the rural Northwest Portland home sometime Saturday. Also Saturday, a 9-1-1 call came in from the Horman's home at 5:46 p.m., regarding "threats" at the property. The sheriff's office declined to allow its release, citing the ongoing investigation. The stepmom declined to talk Tuesday. In this type of case, the fracturing of the family is unusual, said Jack Levin, a criminology professor and co-director of Northeastern University's Brudnick Center on Violence and Conflict. "In most cases of abduction or murder, the family members stick together. Even when all of the evidence points to one of them, they still believe in the innocence of the family member," Levin said. "So, when you see the kind of reaction that this family had, you have to wonder whether there might not be some validity in their perception." Terri Horman was served with the restraining order and divorce papers about 6 p.m. Monday at her home, about 45 minutes after she denied to an Oregonian reporter who came to her door that her husband had moved out, and gave a thumbs up, saying, "Everything's good." A restraining order is issued if the petitioner can show he or his child is in "imminent danger of further abuse" by the respondent, and respondent represents a "credible threat to the physical safety of petitioner or petitioner's child." Kaine Horman's petition for a restraining order, which must offer an explanation of why he feared his wife was a threat to himself and their daughter, was sealed by Judge Keith Meisenheimer. It was sought after Kyron's dad, as well as his mom and stepdad, had been "fully briefed by law enforcement on the on-going criminal investigation." The restraining order says the stepmom can have no parenting time with her 19-month-old, and restricts her from possessing firearms. "Mr. Horman has a continuing desire to bring Kyron home safely, and to provide for the best interests of his daughter Kiara," said Kyron's lawyer, Laura E. Rackner, in a statement Tuesday. "Mr. Horman remains supportive of all of the law enforcement agencies working to locate Kyron and will continue to act in his children's best interests." In his petition for divorce, also filed Monday, Kaine cites "irreconcilable differences" between he and his wife, seeks sole custody of their daughter and reasonable child support. Until Tuesday, Terri Moulton Horman had not retained a lawyer, but there was wide speculation that she'd be looking for one Tuesday morning. And outside legal experts say it's time she get one. Even if the police haven't publicly identified a person of interest, their actions suggest otherwise. "At this point, it's pretty clear the focus of the investigation is on her," said Ron Hoevet, a longtime criminal defense attorney. The stepmom has 30 days to notify the court to request a hearing contesting the restraining order, and a hearing would have to be scheduled within 5 days of her notice. Meanwhile, Multnomah County's Major Crimes Team, with the sheriff's office taking the lead, along with assistance from the FBI, continues its investigation. They're still checking out tips, and trying to identify and contact any sex offenders who may reside in the area to check out their alibis. "The investigation is not in position yet to even list a suspect or persons of interest," sheriff's spokeswoman Lt. Mary Lindstrand reiterated Tuesday. Criminal justice experts say it's not surprising that authorities would focus on a family member, particularly the one who last saw the missing child. "On a statistical basis, they would have to think first of family members as suspects, considering most child abductions involve a relative," said Levin, of Northeastern University. Yet while investigators may strongly suspect the stepmom's involvement, it's important they continue to run down the tips they've received, and consider all possibilities, experts say. Jim McIntyre, a former Multnomah County prosecutor who now works as a criminal defense attorney, said investigators are acting responsibly in keeping close tabs on information. "Their obligation is to objectively investigate the case," he said. "What if it's not her and what if it's someone else?" Focusing solely on one person as a potential suspect could lead investigators to miss the true culprit. Without a body, without witnesses, investigators are left with circumstantial evidence, or, if they're lucky, a confession. "So I can see the logic in the investigation attempting to pressure the person they believe is the abductor into confessing her crime," Levin said. "Will it work? Who knows. If you're dealing with a sociopath, who lacks feelings of remorse and is manipulative, it may mean nothing. If you're dealing with someone who didn't plan the attack, but lost her temper, the tactic could work." Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: Lenie on June 30, 2010, 12:12:39 AM Just my thoughts but....... None of us know Kaine (or at least I think no one does), who is to say that he didn't find out Saturday that Terri was having an affair and used the circumstances to get full custody of his daughter? With everything that is going on the judge would easily give him a restraining order and custody of their child.
Most everyone thinks the step mom did it, so why not the judge? I can understand if no one saw him leave with his step mom, but I can't understand if no one saw him leave with someone else. The granddaughter that we adopted is in 3rd grade, I knew most of the parents of all of the children in her room. If I saw one of the children leaving the school with someone I did not know I would stop and talk to that child and casually ask "oh is this your mommy or daddy". I have done this several times. Unfortunately I believe that Teri plays a hand in this. I don't want to believe it because I am a step mom and just hate to think that she does. For the life of me I don't understand any of these child murders. I just can not imagine not having conscious enough to stop yourself from doing something like this. I think that is why it is so heart wrenching for most of us here. Praying that Kyron comes home. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: Wyks on June 30, 2010, 12:17:25 AM Kyron’s disappearance has shaken me deeper than I can express By Brittany Baker - Jun 24, 2010 http://www.beavertonvalleytimes.com/opinion/story.php?story_id=127742158694179700 (http://www.beavertonvalleytimes.com/opinion/story.php?story_id=127742158694179700) Kyron Horman’s mysterious disappearance from Skyline Elementary School has stunned the metro area and sent ripples of heartache throughout Oregon and into the United States. Kyron – best known as the boy smiling in front of his science project, peering from behind a pair of rectangle rimmed glasses and still waiting on a few teeth – has nestled his way into the soft spot of even the most cantankerous among us. His personal tragedy has had a potent effect on thousands of people, prompting a nationwide campaign to bring him home. He won’t soon be forgotten. The idea that so many people care deeply for a child they may never meet is seen as strange in a society so focused on self-gratification. That being said, it’s an incredibly important phenomenon that presents a resurgence of long forgotten tenderness in today’s culture. This tenderness has the power to create a rare kind of compassion with the capacity to make things happen – things that exceed all rational possibilities. The case of Kyron Horman has far reaching implications which go beyond the need for heightened security at schools. What his story and its possible outcomes have been marked by is hope, and it’s a hope that goes much deeper than the four-letter word thrown around in casual conversation. It’s hope that brings about a breed of supernatural workings that even those without a faith can believe in. It’s hope that has the power to bring about a change in reality through prayer. It’s hope that transcends cultural boundaries to create the stuff only miracles are made of. Kyron Horman has had a strong, unthinkable impact on my life in the few short days that I have been privy to his story. A few times, people have questioned why I feel so strongly about a boy I will probably never meet, and I can’t say I understand why his story breaks my heart with the same intensity regardless of how many times I’ve heard it. All I’m certain of is that he has left an imprint far greater than I can articulate, and moreover has shown me the importance of caring about someone who I’ve never known, but nonetheless has taught me lessons I could never have learned in my 14 years of schooling. The most important of these lessons is that to simply recognize injustice is meaningless. To make any real difference requires action, even if the only possible action is to hope without ceasing. For all of those who, like me, have shed tears for this little boy who loved tree frogs and the color red, for all of those who have searched tirelessly for some sign or some answer, and for all of those who have been altered in such an unexplainable manner by this disappearance – comfort can be found in the absolute power that comes from praying, hoping and pleading for a miracle. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: my2cents on June 30, 2010, 12:47:41 AM I find it odd that Teri was the only one to go with Kyron to the science fair that he was so excited about...why did Kyron's dad not go? Since he was working from home that day you think that he would have went with them. He could have stayed home to watch the baby so that they would not have to wake her but Teri could have done that and let Kyron and his dad have a lil one on one time and she could have slept in. Also why not go to the science fair at 9:15 instead of 8:15 if school did not start until 10:00 then there would not have been an hour gap there and they all could have slept in. Something is not right with this picture IMO ::MonkeyNoNo::
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: cartfly on June 30, 2010, 01:04:56 AM So are the police alleging that Terri owns a gun? or has a history of using a gun in the commission of a crime? It's getting deep ::MonkeyNoNo:: I hope these cops are not singularly focused and in the end wrong. I know that many believe that the school was too "occupied" with people and parents in for the science fair, but you know children have been abducted from a house when the parents were in another room. I think I'll wait to see if there are charges before hoping on the bandwagon. I'm a fence sitter. ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: Rob, am thinking that fence is getting mighty full. lol There seems to be no helping for that tho, with so many different possibilities in this case. It's mind-boggling at best. IMO. Soooo skoooch on over, plz. I have to say too, I just love kids in glasses. They are just so cute, don't you think? Kyron has beautiful eyes too. ::MonkeyAngel:: Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: cartfly on June 30, 2010, 01:17:45 AM opportunity or planned Thanks so much! ::MonkeyAngel::unknown/or known offender...maybe, has happened b4..opportunity/and planned family member...premeditated, it just didnt occur to them 1hr and 10min b4 class starts cartfly a few pgs back is a link to TH facebook that a blog copied I did look at it, but the incident of Terry confronting another child wasn't there. It had to be prior to the May 29th date the blogger started her screen capture from. Before the FB was private I know I read back almost to the time Terri signed up for facebook so that could have been a year or more. I am going to keep looking to see if someone may have captured the whole thing. I imagine LE has gone over that facebook with a fine tooth comb. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: cartfly on June 30, 2010, 01:28:52 AM (http://media.katu.com/images/062010_step-mom_friend_speaks_out-crop.jpg)
I have mixed feelings about this image of Terri. http://www.katu.com/news/local/97449789.html#idc-container (http://www.katu.com/news/local/97449789.html#idc-container) Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: Brandi on June 30, 2010, 01:29:57 AM I mentioned the fact that there apparently was no phone call home when Kyron was reported absent, and how I find that odd and disturbing.
I came to this thread a bit late, and it may already have been discussed. If so, I apologize. Can anyone tell me why the office did not notify the home when he was absent? I do recall reading somewhere that Terri had brought in a note to excuse him for some day (a bit confused on that) and that the teacher thought maybe the 4th was the excused day? cartfly, just for you: (http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/Untitled1-1.gif) Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: klaasend on June 30, 2010, 01:54:17 AM Terri's nickname on many online sites is RDSQRL (Red Squirrel)
http://www.bookcrossing.com/journal/8015937/ (http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/rdsqrlMurderMystery.jpg) Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: klaasend on June 30, 2010, 01:54:51 AM Goodnight all!
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: Brandi on June 30, 2010, 01:55:57 AM I mentioned the fact that there apparently was no phone call home when Kyron was reported absent, and how I find that odd and disturbing. I came to this thread a bit late, and it may already have been discussed. If so, I apologize. Can anyone tell me why the office did not notify the home when he was absent? I do recall reading somewhere that Terri had brought in a note to excuse him for some day (a bit confused on that) and that the teacher thought maybe the 4th was the excused day? cartfly, just for you: (http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/Untitled1-1.gif) ... I meant just for your entertainment! ROFL. Sorry for the O/T. Is the forum going to shut down in 5 minutes for upgrades? Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: Deenie on June 30, 2010, 01:58:30 AM I was in the middle of a post and I was BOUNCED ..
Reminder to all that Desiree and Terri are as women " Territorial" - human nature. Add Kryon in the mix with a Man that is shared between the two of them. A Man that was kicked to the curb at Desiree's weakest moment. Only to be picked up by Terri. Equals Ugly. There is something within this Trio that is unsaid and unforeseen. Who was feeding information to each Desiree or Terri ? of Kyron's welfare? Who would do that? The neutral party ( reconsidered) Kaine. That he was playing games with Each Women of who was most fit to Mother him. Was Kaine feeding Desiree that since Kitty was born he felt that Kyron was not cared for. Then telling Terri at the same time .. Your not what I expected you to be ..after Kitty was born. That Terri was not enough. For Terri to feel self doubt. That something was coming. That she was unaware of. So she had it in the back of her head for months ..that Kaine planted the seed " Your Not Enough" for MY son, let alone our Daughter. ???? Before Kyron was even born was turmoil ~Desiree a pregnant woman married to Kaine - D felt it was her duty to file for divorce Pregnant. For her Divorce to be finalized right before Kyron's birth. Who was her back pocket at the time? That Desiree was able to reach out to, that offered her unconditional friendship and support ? Who was her defender at this time.. pushing her ..everything is going to work itself out? You are going to be okay. This would have been of months of planning. A divorce does not happen over night when your pregnant and you share assets sorry. Was Terri at that time Desiree's back up and her friend, I will help you no matter what happens. ( betrayal and tons of layers of emotions here that are unknown) Was Terri all this time her confidential run to. That Desiree felt she could get through this divorce and (add a restraining order against Kaine) that she/D felt she had empowerment from Terri. Only to find out after the fact that Terri and Kaine were to have a relationship and take Kyron as their own. Something is so WRONG with this. This does not make for a happy family scenario. Not. You add Desiree current with her Husband Tony. They seem to be very stable. They have been married for a long time. They appear to be constant that Kyron meant the world to them. But he was not " under their roof" he was only on weekends and or given to them via Kaine's/Terri's approval. I wonder if Desiree was fighting for custody of Kyron .. maybe not legally but was implicating that he should be with his MOM, her. That she was able to provide for him and that Tony had excepted him as his. (( This is all parts of a tornado not yet to be ))) I think. And during all of this, that Kaine was dishing with another. I think he was having a fling at work. That he was doing something that he felt deserved. That he had found a woman in his office to be his " escape" to talk to. That turned into an affair. That Kaine used this woman for her sympathy. That he gave up just enough for her to fall into his trap. Poor Me. He though does not care about this other woman. She to him is his release. She is under him in the company ..so he owns her future. She will never talk. Same Same Terri knows that Kaine has a pop tart on the side. As she has found out that Kaine is not the saint he professes. Not only by her marriage but what has been told to her via Desiree. Going back to the video of Kaine, Tony, Desiree and Terri - Terri is somber, yet destroyed beyond. She is trying with all her might to hold onto Desiree .. her seeking Desiree's response. Not finding it. Desiree is completely unavailable to Terri. Terri is though in her body language expressing " You Told Me So" " I am sorry" " I should have been a better friend to You" " I am SORRY" ...but I don't feel that Terri's emotions at this time are for Kyron. Its of her relationship with Desiree Woman To Woman. There is so much not said but can be seen between this trio - and it all adds up to Ugly. Kryon is the victim. The catalyst of this is not Kryon. It is of Kaine. He is the center hub. Kyron is the sweet baby boy that is lost in the shuffle of this indiscriminate family unit. The question is What happened and Why? And Why was Kyron to be held accountable for this family's dysfunctions? Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: cartfly on June 30, 2010, 01:58:41 AM I mentioned the fact that there apparently was no phone call home when Kyron was reported absent, and how I find that odd and disturbing. Brandi: Girl YOU ROCK!!! I am dressed to the nines now!!! Seriously, you are so talented and I so appreciate you dressing me in my designer duds!! ::MonkeyKiss::Thank you so so much! I came to this thread a bit late, and it may already have been discussed. If so, I apologize. Can anyone tell me why the office did not notify the home when he was absent? I do recall reading somewhere that Terri had brought in a note to excuse him for some day (a bit confused on that) and that the teacher thought maybe the 4th was the excused day? cartfly, just for you: (http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/Untitled1-1.gif) About Kyron's absence, we could never get a straight story on that situation because LE had asked people not to speak to the media. Everyone was mum including the school faculty. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: Brandi on June 30, 2010, 02:02:02 AM I mentioned the fact that there apparently was no phone call home when Kyron was reported absent, and how I find that odd and disturbing. Brandi: Girl YOU ROCK!!! I am dressed to the nines now!!! Seriously, you are so talented and I so appreciate you dressing me in my designer duds!! ::MonkeyKiss::Thank you so so much! I came to this thread a bit late, and it may already have been discussed. If so, I apologize. Can anyone tell me why the office did not notify the home when he was absent? I do recall reading somewhere that Terri had brought in a note to excuse him for some day (a bit confused on that) and that the teacher thought maybe the 4th was the excused day? cartfly, just for you: (http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/Untitled1-1.gif) About Kyron's absence, we could never get a straight story on that situation because LE had asked people not to speak to the media. Everyone was mum including the school faculty. Ahhh ... so I am not the only one in the dark about that. Thanks, cartfly! Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: cartfly on June 30, 2010, 02:04:24 AM I mentioned the fact that there apparently was no phone call home when Kyron was reported absent, and how I find that odd and disturbing. I came to this thread a bit late, and it may already have been discussed. If so, I apologize. Can anyone tell me why the office did not notify the home when he was absent? I do recall reading somewhere that Terri had brought in a note to excuse him for some day (a bit confused on that) and that the teacher thought maybe the 4th was the excused day? cartfly, just for you: (http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/Untitled1-1.gif) ... I meant just for your entertainment! ROFL. Sorry for the O/T. Is the forum going to shut down in 5 minutes for upgrades? Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: Brandi on June 30, 2010, 02:06:10 AM I mentioned the fact that there apparently was no phone call home when Kyron was reported absent, and how I find that odd and disturbing. I came to this thread a bit late, and it may already have been discussed. If so, I apologize. Can anyone tell me why the office did not notify the home when he was absent? I do recall reading somewhere that Terri had brought in a note to excuse him for some day (a bit confused on that) and that the teacher thought maybe the 4th was the excused day? cartfly, just for you: (http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/Untitled1-1.gif) ... I meant just for your entertainment! ROFL. Sorry for the O/T. Is the forum going to shut down in 5 minutes for upgrades? No. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: Tracygirl on June 30, 2010, 02:16:19 AM Brandi apparently a new system is now in place for the school to call home if a child is absent. They didn't have anything like that. What gets me is his backpack and jacket was in his classroom. If you believe the little boy Tanner he mentioned it but the teacher didn't pay it any attention. He was marked absent, the time has been with held. The teacher said she believed he was at a doctors appointment. I had asked the question why she didn't grow alarmed when he didn't return to school after the susposed appointment given it was early morning. It is believed by most, not me at times, she had a laps in judgement.
I am not sure if it is bad reporting or what but the teacher was said to not have seen Kyron that morning and also that she saw Kyron with Terri. Not sure which is true. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: Tracygirl on June 30, 2010, 02:20:06 AM Oh sorry I forgot to include that Terri supposedly had brought some papers for the teacher to fill out for an up coming doctors appointment. Terri was quoted as saying the appointment was not until the 11th. The teacher must have given back the papers to Terri because if she believed he was at this appointment she must have filled them out and returned them. One of those details I think you have to look in between the lines for the answer.
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: Brandi on June 30, 2010, 02:21:14 AM Brandi apparently a new system is now in place for the school to call home if a child is absent. They didn't have anything like that. What gets me is his backpack and jacket was in his classroom. If you believe the little boy Tanner he mentioned it but the teacher didn't pay it any attention. He was marked absent, the time has been with held. The teacher said she believed he was at a doctors appointment. I had asked the question why she didn't grow alarmed when he didn't return to school after the susposed appointment given it was early morning. It is believed by most, not me at times, she had a laps in judgement. I am not sure if it is bad reporting or what but the teacher was said to not have seen Kyron that morning and also that she saw Kyron with Terri. Not sure which is true. Thanks, Tracygirl. Amazing to me that any school would not have a system to notify parents when their children are absent from school. Just amazing. And for the teacher not to see his jacket and backpack in her classroom? This does not compute to me. I think I need to go back and read some of the articles from the first week. Appreciate the reply, Tracygirl! Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: bananas on June 30, 2010, 02:43:38 AM I sure don't have any answers as to what happened but I surely fear for Kyron. What a beautiful innocent little boy caught up in some web of lies and deceit it looks like. However if his things were in the classroom and he was seen after Terri left him....... perhaps it is someone else who has taken him. Not enough information has been released to come to any conclusions at this point. God Bless this little boy.
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: Deenie on June 30, 2010, 03:32:30 AM I have to add that any Man who is married that seeks/finds relationships with his wife's best friend/friends. That he chooses his Wifes/BF to tell his inner most secrets/lies to. That his wife has never heard herself and and is unaware of, from her own husband, that she is left out. US girls we leave nothing out when it comes to our Bff's We tell everything in the Girls trust circle. ( he is a liar and creating a falsehood with Anyone he can get his hands on, who better than a woman that frequents his household, to create a fake false relationship with her/ Wife's friend - for his own wants and needs - MY WIFE doesn't understand me - same goes with him at the office - always is ONE that will listen to him - if he gets his in ..)
A Man's place - is not to get " quaint" with his wife's friends period. No matter if his marriage is failing or thriving..Let it be Known ..any man who picks " favorites" upon his spouses friends .. He IS a Dirt Bag! Kaine comes to mind. Which leads to betrayal. He would though create a Ruse to his Wife that her/BF is nothing but trouble. I don't like her.. to me she is UH,, probably not the person for you to hang around, even though YOU/Wife/Woman met Her before HIM ..all of a sudden his word means something Gah. Sure does! I have been around the block a few times. Real Men tell their wives/partners if one of her friends hits on them that they feel uncomfortable .. and they say out loud "In the Moment" there is no waiting period. Yet, deceitful men even in long term relationships/marriage find it to be a wait and see... and never tell their wife/gf. They love the game of chase and that they are the rabbit. I think that Kaine felt Terri was his Rabbit and was intrigued with Terri who was then a Body Builder and offered everything that Desiree could not.. she/D was wanting out of her relationship with Kaine, she was pregnant and she was at her weakest.. and there was Terri for the long haul - all the time sitting on the side line ..He knew she was the closest to his then wife and he took advantage of Terri her being inside and knowing. I still think that Kaine is a dog. That Terri is not innocent in the takeover of Desiree as friend ( she should know better) for all that is and is not yet said. -- Kryon was the ears/eyes/silent * Kyron was a watcher. Yet he knew everything. His parents to not offer him enough credit or do they? Basing upon the character of his Bio Mom/ Terri / Kaine, all of the adults failed Kyron. Wrapped up in their own BS. NONE were to him his hero. Kyron's only Hero in this mix was James his older brother and he was taken away. By the Adults who made no sense. I find that Kyron loved James and found him to be true and loving and caring. This Trio of trix is part of Kyron's demise. What was the defining moment ? What was the trigger event? Who felt that Kyron was the key? That Kyron would say something to cause havoc ? Even a child making a comment to a teacher is not enough to cause " intervention" unless the child has something really horrific to say. To get a teachers attention. I find that Kitty is the basis of this - that she was the one that was to be the " protected and kept at all costs" And Kyron too wanted her to be protected. :smt049 I have no reason to add this, but I think that Kyron will in the end be a Hero. jmo. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: Wyks on June 30, 2010, 04:06:02 AM I have to say... when I realized that HO would be filing his reports with the Portland LE, regarding any findings he may come across....... well, my heart sunk a bit...... because as we know from Lindsey's case, his reported findings were ignored by LE in WA. I don't know what magical wand I thought might be waved in Kyron's case. But HO is determined to do what it takes, even if that means facing an arrest. <puts politics and egos into a bucket and bangs on bucket with a wrench> Guess what we also need to pray for, is that whatever Mr. Oakes and his dogs may find and report will be taken seriously by LE, with all due professional ethics, etc. And that he does not get arrested for anything having to do with his searching for Kyron. This may keep our angels a bit busy, asking for three miracles.... the first of course, being for our sweet Kyron. ::MonkeyAngel:: Today will be a busy busy day, this could possible be THE day that Kyron is found! ........ PLEASE everyone, plz send all search teams in the Portland area your prayers, power thoughts, etc! Thank you, thank you! And I'll just be over here looking for quarters in the couch in case we need bail money for anyone in particular. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: ISpy on June 30, 2010, 04:14:43 AM Brandi apparently a new system is now in place for the school to call home if a child is absent. They didn't have anything like that. What gets me is his backpack and jacket was in his classroom. If you believe the little boy Tanner he mentioned it but the teacher didn't pay it any attention. He was marked absent, the time has been with held. The teacher said she believed he was at a doctors appointment. I had asked the question why she didn't grow alarmed when he didn't return to school after the susposed appointment given it was early morning. It is believed by most, not me at times, she had a laps in judgement. I am not sure if it is bad reporting or what but the teacher was said to not have seen Kyron that morning and also that she saw Kyron with Terri. Not sure which is true. Thanks, Tracygirl. Amazing to me that any school would not have a system to notify parents when their children are absent from school. Just amazing. And for the teacher not to see his jacket and backpack in her classroom? This does not compute to me. I think I need to go back and read some of the articles from the first week. Appreciate the reply, Tracygirl! Hey, Tracygirl! Hey, Brandi! Catching up here and saw your post. It's not uncommon for K-3 to leave jackets/backpacks at school overnight. Sometimes they are forgotten in the rush to catch the bus, so the teacher wouldn't necessarily have noticed them as they were hung on the pegs. Left on the desk or table would have been another matter, I think. What I want to know is how do we know that Kyron put them there and not someone else? The thing that raises a red flag with me is the paperwork that Terri supposedly gave the teacher to fill out for an upcoming doctor appt. Based on what I've seen of special event days at schools (science fairs, talent shows, assemblies, pep rallies, concerts, etc.), it's very chaotic. The children are hyper, hard to settle down, and the teacher is usually somewhat stressed/hurried/harried. I can't imagine any teacher taking time to fill out paperwork on a morning like that, especially when she could easily fill it out later and send it home with the child the following week. Not only that, but it would have required some in depth answers from the teacher and she would have clearly remembered the inconvenience of having to stop and fill it out during a hectic morning. One of my parents is a teacher, I've spent a lot of after-school time in the Teacher's Lounge/Workroom and I used to babysit for the teachers. I've been privvy to more than one teacher gripe session about inconsiderate parents and bad parents. Not sure if this paperwork business is simply misinformation or intentionally misleading. Have a good one everyone! Praying we find Kyron and answers very soon! Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: ISpy on June 30, 2010, 04:28:12 AM O.k., do have four more questions.
Thinking someone could have asked Kyron to show them where the Talent Show was going to be that afternoon. That would have taken him away from the Science Fair area. Did Kaine know about the Talent Show? It seems highly unlikely that Kyron would be gung-ho about the Science Fair and completely mum about the Talent Show. Wonder what he was scheduled to do in the Talent Show. BBL and hope to see they've found Kyron. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: ISpy on June 30, 2010, 04:30:21 AM Last thing...
Hi, Wyks, 3 Members and 5 Guests! Good morning, Trimm! Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: Deenie on June 30, 2010, 06:06:40 AM All that I have said of Kyron being missing- not speculation but true.
Kyron being missing is based upon the failure of Adults to be responsible for him and that includes all Parents. Not just Terri. If she is " named/arrested as perp" in his demise/taking so it is * not that I want to know it was her. But I truly feel that all the Adults who surrounded Kyron's life as " Family" All of them are filled with junk, baggage, anger and mistrust within the circle which was to take care of Kyron. How can two sets of parents - Desiree/Tony and Kaine/Terri fail ONE child. HOW can it be that all 4 of them as Adults " Failed Kyron". This is what I want to know. That none of them could come to an agreement for Kyron's welfare. That he would become as I feel he has been made to be - A bargaining chip. There is a saying that goes along with this disgrace of adults who claim themselves " Parents" in Kyron's life. "He who dies with the most toys wins." It will make sense once you think about it. Kyron little Man you deserved much more than the family you were dealt. And still I remain stealth that Kyron was thinking of his sister Kitty - and he paid the price. To who ? for why? and for what reason is the questions unanswered. All of them are of blame not just Terri. All these adults saying nothing because they tend to be timid or shy, private people.. I don't give a flying flip what they design themselves to be in the public's eye. They as Parents were/are responsible for ONE child. His name Kyron. 3 people who claim to love, adore, will do anything to find Kryon -The infamous 3. Did they know Kyron's day to day living? prob not yet they scream .. he is my son. Terri was the gate keeper and now she is sentenced. For why? the lack of parenting from the other 3? Maybe they need to take a hard look themselves of the last few months. Who participated in Kyron's life. Who really paid attention to him and not just had him overnight for fun. Who took the time to hear Kyron when he had a bad day at school? When he had a GREAT DAY at school ? Who took into consideration that Kyron lost his big brother and he felt lonely? Who took into consideration that Kyron was sharing his house with a new little sister that " was awe to him" he didn't really know what to think. She was there though. And he Loved her. It escapes me that 3 adults that have been in Kyron's life for 8 yrs - cannot offer anything but a finger point to Terri. Who was watching all of this unfold? Who was paying attention. Out of 4 adults who so say the represent Kyron ..How many of them really knew Kyron's 24/7? I bet only one. And that was Terri. So I say to the other 3 shame on You. If your so " spot on " in pointing the finger at Terri - this did not happen overnight. All of you should be ashamed of yourselves. Kyron was a not a wielding run away teen. He was a sweet little boy, 8 yrs old, who relied on all of you to be his guardians. * I am praying he is still with us, I don't know though at this time. Kryon ::MonkeyAngel:: the Nation is Praying for You This entire family sucks .. except James/Kyron/Kitty ... that is my opinion. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: seahorse on June 30, 2010, 07:34:09 AM Terri's nickname on many online sites is RDSQRL (Red Squirrel) http://www.bookcrossing.com/journal/8015937/ (http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/rdsqrlMurderMystery.jpg) Good morning Monkey's, She gave a "ten star" rating for the book. She dressed Kyron in a CSI shirt, a National Geographic shirt which would be more suitable connected to tree frogs. SM is a creepy women. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: Claycat on June 30, 2010, 07:41:39 AM I find it odd that Teri was the only one to go with Kyron to the science fair that he was so excited about...why did Kyron's dad not go? Since he was working from home that day you think that he would have went with them. He could have stayed home to watch the baby so that they would not have to wake her but Teri could have done that and let Kyron and his dad have a lil one on one time and she could have slept in. Also why not go to the science fair at 9:15 instead of 8:15 if school did not start until 10:00 then there would not have been an hour gap there and they all could have slept in. Something is not right with this picture IMO ::MonkeyNoNo:: It was my understanding that Kaine went to work in the morning but returned for the second half of the day. That's why he was able to go to the bus. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: seahorse on June 30, 2010, 07:42:51 AM A quick note, a man was convicted of murder without a body, no weapon and no witness. This was on Nightline last week.
The man was actually convicted twice. ::MonkeyEek:: Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: Claycat on June 30, 2010, 07:43:21 AM I have to say... when I realized that HO would be filing his reports with the Portland LE, regarding any findings he may come across....... well, my heart sunk a bit...... because as we know from Lindsey's case, his reported findings were ignored by LE in WA. I don't know what magical wand I thought might be waved in Kyron's case. But HO is determined to do what it takes, even if that means facing an arrest. <puts politics and egos into a bucket and bangs on bucket with a wrench> Guess what we also need to pray for, is that whatever Mr. Oakes and his dogs may find and report will be taken seriously by LE, with all due professional ethics, etc. And that he does not get arrested for anything having to do with his searching for Kyron. This may keep our angels a bit busy, asking for three miracles.... the first of course, being for our sweet Kyron. ::MonkeyAngel:: Today will be a busy busy day, this could possible be THE day that Kyron is found! ........ PLEASE everyone, plz send all search teams in the Portland area your prayers, power thoughts, etc! Thank you, thank you! And I'll just be over here looking for quarters in the couch in case we need bail money for anyone in particular. My prayers and blessings go out to the searchers today! May Mr. Oakes have smooth sailing and be given cooperation! May Kyron be found today! Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: theboyzmom on June 30, 2010, 07:47:40 AM I find it ODD that Terri left Kyron at the school when class didn't begin until 10am. So he had over an hour to wait for class to begin? Something wrong about that. I thought that too but then read that they were taking 'tours in small groups' - I just assumed that's what was happening until school started. As with everything else ... just not enough confirmed info.Time for the bunky. Night Monkeys! OK, but do you tell your 7yr old at 8:45 in the morning, go now and find your group, I'll see you later? OR, do you make sure he is WITH his group then leave? Again, catching up here, but I find it very strange. I know I would have walked by 11 year old (much less when he was 7) into class and said hi to the teacher and seen what was going on before I left. Wonder what the important thing she needed to do that kept her from walking him all the way to class? Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: NCSunny on June 30, 2010, 07:48:55 AM Am I the only one thinking there was already something going really bad with Kaine and the stepmom the night before or the morning of Kyron's disappearance? Or is there a reason why Kaine only worked in the AM on that day? It's being said that the reason he was only at the bus stop this one time was because he worked full time at Intel (I believe) and didn't get off until after Kyron was already home from school. He just happened to only work in the morning on the day Kyron went missing, Everyone seems to be okay with that reason, but I find it strange that the *get off work early-lucky day to wait with the wife and daughter* just happened to fall on the day Kyron went missing? Did Intel close early, send people home, as in not just him etc or did he ask to go home early because he had reason to believe she might do something to the kids. Not sure about something really bad happening that day,[seems as though from the scanner report, something did] but did find it very odd that with two parents home that day, neither planned OR attended the Science fair or the talent show. Why didn't either plan to go, or go? That alone made me think something was hinky. I know I attended every event my kids were in and usually videotaped it. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: ozziesmom on June 30, 2010, 07:56:56 AM Am I the only one thinking there was already something going really bad with Kaine and the stepmom the night before or the morning of Kyron's disappearance? Or is there a reason why Kaine only worked in the AM on that day? It's being said that the reason he was only at the bus stop this one time was because he worked full time at Intel (I believe) and didn't get off until after Kyron was already home from school. He just happened to only work in the morning on the day Kyron went missing, Everyone seems to be okay with that reason, but I find it strange that the *get off work early-lucky day to wait with the wife and daughter* just happened to fall on the day Kyron went missing? Did Intel close early, send people home, as in not just him etc or did he ask to go home early because he had reason to believe she might do something to the kids. Not sure about something really bad happening that day,[seems as though from the scanner report, something did] but did find it very odd that with two parents home that day, neither planned OR attended the Science fair or the talent show. Why didn't either plan to go, or go? That alone made me think something was hinky. I know I attended every event my kids were in and usually videotaped it. Great point...the talent show was later in the school day, no? It's not like either one of them were busy at that time..... Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: Blink34 on June 30, 2010, 08:07:59 AM Hey Monks-
Great discussions going on here, and BOC. Couple things I wanted to clarify from my perspective- 1. Kyron's CSI shirt was a hand-me-down from big brother James, and I have seen other photos of Kyron wearing it, so I did not find it odd. 2. It is rare to get an ex-parte custody order in the first place, let alone have it sealed. Right now, it is actually even sealed from Terri Horman. It is my opinion that the house is "wired" so their may be some supporting information to whatever allegation is presented therein. 3. In my experience, guilty people do not take one polly, let alone 2. They also do not let LE live in their house 20 hours a day for the first few weeks. 4. There is no doubt in my mind, whatever was learned from the second polly caused the filing by Kaine. As of his interviews Friday, I do not believe Kaine thought his wife was in any way involved. FWIW, I have received an overwhelming amount of leads/tips that suggest focusing on specific areas following my second last Kyron article, and I have never before seen such an agreement of sources in a case. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: Claycat on June 30, 2010, 08:11:21 AM Thanks, Blink!
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: Claycat on June 30, 2010, 08:15:56 AM Monkeys, every time I think of Kyron, I get an image like this. Of course, it may not be anything, but it kind of haunts me.
(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y93/casscat/2244-2-large.jpg) Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: seahorse on June 30, 2010, 08:16:05 AM A handy link, nothing is happening, just a very handy link.
http://www.oregonlive.com/policescanner/ http://www.oregonlive.com/policescanner/audio/index.ssf Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: NCSunny on June 30, 2010, 08:31:59 AM Praying for good news today, hoping the searchers and dogs are safe and lighting a candle for little Kyron. BBL
http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=Kyron (http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=Kyron) ::MonkeyAngel:: Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: newfie on June 30, 2010, 08:32:46 AM ,Good Morning all,
I hope we are not judged by the books we read. I read anything from Dean Koontz who is off the charts, to self help books. I have read some pretty good murder mysteries. I also saw Kyron in that same CSI shirt in his zoo trip pics. When my son was seven he liked wearing oversized shirts and is now 23 and still does. He is skinny as a rail as well. lol Any way, he also picked out his own clothes to wear when he was seven. Kyron appeared very independent. I truly wish he is being kept some place and okay. Terri's nickname on many online sites is RDSQRL (Red Squirrel) http://www.bookcrossing.com/journal/8015937/ (http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/rdsqrlMurderMystery.jpg) Good morning Monkey's, She gave a "ten star" rating for the book. She dressed Kyron in a CSI shirt, a National Geographic shirt which would be more suitable connected to tree frogs. SM is a creepy women. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 30, 2010, 09:13:42 AM Hey Monks- Blink, legally how is this done where the wife is not allowed to see the ex-parte custody order? How can they seal it so the wife can't see it? Only thing I can come up with, she is the suspect, she must have harmed Kyron, and that is why it has been sealed and she can't see it. What are reasons would there be for this?Great discussions going on here, and BOC. Couple things I wanted to clarify from my perspective- 1. Kyron's CSI shirt was a hand-me-down from big brother James, and I have seen other photos of Kyron wearing it, so I did not find it odd. 2. It is rare to get an ex-parte custody order in the first place, let alone have it sealed. Right now, it is actually even sealed from Terri Horman. It is my opinion that the house is "wired" so their may be some supporting information to whatever allegation is presented therein. 3. In my experience, guilty people do not take one polly, let alone 2. They also do not let LE live in their house 20 hours a day for the first few weeks. 4. There is no doubt in my mind, whatever was learned from the second polly caused the filing by Kaine. As of his interviews Friday, I do not believe Kaine thought his wife was in any way involved. FWIW, I have received an overwhelming amount of leads/tips that suggest focusing on specific areas following my second last Kyron article, and I have never before seen such an agreement of sources in a case. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 30, 2010, 09:15:30 AM Newfie, me too, let's hope we aren't judged for the books we read ::MonkeyEek:: I'm all over the place with books that I read.
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: Claycat on June 30, 2010, 09:19:46 AM Newfie, me too, let's hope we aren't judged for the books we read ::MonkeyEek:: I'm all over the place with books that I read. Ditto! I read a lot of Dean Koontz as well! Has anyone posted this? http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/38013540#38013540 Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 30, 2010, 09:31:11 AM Newfie, me too, let's hope we aren't judged for the books we read ::MonkeyEek:: I'm all over the place with books that I read. Ditto! I read a lot of Dean Koontz as well! Has anyone posted this? http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/38013540#38013540 Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: Rob on June 30, 2010, 09:40:05 AM Mornin All.
Hey, in the article at Detective Forum - the person that wrote it says that they are using only info available to everyone. This article was called something like - Here's what really happened - anyway, according to this poster they are only using info that was available to all. Nothing special. In that article there is a part that says (IIRC) there was a 9 am roll call. That was when the classmate noticed Kyron was not back. The teacher called his name and 9 am seems to be when he is marked absent. This classmate was told by KYRON he was going downstairs. The article was posted here - that's how I saw it. I haven't been looking all over the net on this case - Natalee / Stephany and all. But if that article is correct - the 10 am class means nothing. It seems to me, and this is just my opinion - the time when the crime could have happened was between 8:45 when Terri last saw Kyron walking to the classroom & 9 am when the roll call was made and Kyron was not present. That's a small window, but it only takes a second to abduct a child. If all of that info is correct - there was a 15 minute window when this all went down. The Detective Forum article link is around here somewhere - maybe someone would like to bring it back over so others who have not read it can see that time line. I thought it was a very good article and I usually don't say that. lol Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: KittyMom on June 30, 2010, 09:48:02 AM Newfie, me too, let's hope we aren't judged for the books we read ::MonkeyEek:: I'm all over the place with books that I read. Or internet searches! I've looked up some interesting stuff following crime boards. lolTitle: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: klaasend on June 30, 2010, 10:00:44 AM I just don't see how a judge would issue a restraining order, and full temporary custody to Kaine unless the judge has seen evidence we have not. I still say that 2nd poly and interview with LE provided the impetus for Kaine to file for divorce and restraining order.
In other words, Terri must not be as innocent as her friends think. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: newfie on June 30, 2010, 10:10:06 AM I agree Rob, after reviewing the a.m. timeframes
aprox. 8:15 seen by Pta President I am still wondering what time the teacher saw Terri in the gym. Two other people claim to have seen Terri and Kyron sometime that a.m. before 8:45. His friend claims to have seen him around 9:00. There was the normal a.m. bell @ 8:45, the busses had to have arrived before that timeframe. Were the parents then to leave other than those staying to help as chaperones? Apparently the 9:00 timeframe was when groups were forming for the tour of the science fair. Then they were to return to classes at 10:00. Ispy, there was a diagram of the school on one of the previous pages... hopefully myself or someone else can bring it forward. Good question as to how many rooms did the Science fair entail? The school has aprox. 300 students. No Rose and Clay glad to have some avid reader fans. I really enjoy a great mystery. :study: I think there are some very good points made here re: Kaine and the household over the past 6-8 months. Terri's son moved out, Terri puts on weight, Kyron goes missing. Kaine files for a divorce and puts an RO out on wife, he sides with other family members and LE against her, and he won't let Terri even visit with her daughter. The police responded to a 911 call on Saturday. I think an argument happened that afternoon, Terri probably threw around some accusations about hurting herself or others because she was being isolated and turned on by her husband and Desiree. Not that I think that is okay or healthy but I can see this as plausible. She was probably out of control and that is how Kaine was able to get the RO. Kyron showed no outward signs of emotional or physical abuse. The teacher, or other family members would have picked up on it. Something was going on with Terri though, in her recent pics, she looks as if she is looking at Kaine for approval. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: Rob on June 30, 2010, 10:15:43 AM This post is speculation.
I think during the second polygraph Terri may have revealed a current affair or a previous affair. This makes sense to me. And here's why. Very few people take polygraphs when guilty - let alone two. There are just too many pitfalls involved and who knows what questions will arise. I think in a quest to be helpful - Terri may have revealed some truthful info. When a polygraph examiner is asking you questions - they will ask all kinds of things. They ask those to get a base line for truthful and deceptive. Not every question during a polygraph is needed to be answered truthfully of deceptively. You only need the key questions answered. After the polygraph - Kaine moved out. I think Terri was asked if she was having an affair or had a previous affair during the course of her marriage. This is a logical line of questioning. Having an affair is not against the law - well, in most states anyway. A question like this could reveal a motive, an accomplice and it could reveal character. This will dissolve a marriage - but is not something that would get you arrested. And Terri was not arrested after the polygraph. If the police had something to arrest her for - believe me, they would have right there on the spot. The police would love to arrest Terri and in my opinion - she is hanging by a thread. If they could have arrested her - she would be in jail. So, answering that she may have had an affair - and answering truthfully - may have cost her her marriage. Now we could get into all the moral implications of such an affair - but this is all just speculation anyway. I don't think that hashing out whether affairs are right or wrong gets us closer to Kyron anyway. But that's just my opinion. In the old days divorce decrees would have listed "infidelity" - today that has been changed to "irreconcilable differences". No one wants someone with a scarlet "A" on their chest. I can see how Kaine may have said - "I'm filing for divorce" after it may have been revealed that she had an affair - past or current. It would explain her cell phone triangulation. I can also see how the police would use that info to drive a wedge between a couple and say to Kaine - "hey, how well do you really know your wife". I can also see Terri saying - "If you leave me I will shoot myself". Terri has alot going on - obviously. But I can see how all this could tie together and we are where we are. This would explain the sudden divorce filing at 6 pm and the no firearms provision. I have alot of mixed thoughts on Terri, I'm not really sure what to make of her. She is either helpful and innocent, or guilty and extremely stupid. I can't see too many more combinations than those. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: Claycat on June 30, 2010, 10:17:58 AM I got that "looking for approval" feeling from Terri, also, newfie.
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: AmandaReckonwith on June 30, 2010, 10:19:29 AM Hi everyone.
Hoping today is the day, but I am not confident about anything. I sure hope Wyks' guy has success where the huge SARs intense searches did not. Is there a pic of Mr Oakes, or website? Brandi, I am swiping your adorable froggy pics for the pb if you don't mind. btw, and this is for anyone I have swiped pics from... all my titles were lost from the albums at the end of March. That is why nobody is credited, there was over 2 years of work lost and no way am I going to be able to recover that. Very sorry about that. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: seahorse on June 30, 2010, 10:19:44 AM The CSI shirt is not odd, inappropriate (the better wording) for a Seven year old with a Tree Frog display. ::MonkeyHaHa::
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: seahorse on June 30, 2010, 10:21:50 AM Newfie, me too, let's hope we aren't judged for the books we read ::MonkeyEek:: I'm all over the place with books that I read. "The only living witness" is the best book I have read in my life, so don't judge me, either:) Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: AmandaReckonwith on June 30, 2010, 10:25:10 AM Snipped Rob's post: I can see how Kaine may have said - "I'm filing for divorce" after it may have been revealed that she had an affair - past or current. It would explain her cell phone triangulation. I can also see how the police would use that info to drive a wedge between a couple and say to Kaine - "hey, how well do you really know your wife". I can also see Terri saying - "If you leave me I will shoot myself". Terri has alot going on - obviously. But I can see how all this could tie together and we are where we are. This would explain the sudden divorce filing at 6 pm and the no firearms provision.
I have alot of mixed thoughts on Terri, I'm not really sure what to make of her. She is either helpful and innocent, or guilty and extremely stupid. I can't see too many more combinations than those. I agree with your entire post, I am a fence-sitter on Terri's guilt. The only thing is... Kaine taking the baby and the sealed RO. That does point to Kyron's case, imo. The sealed RO has something to do with Kyron. Unless Terri pulled a gun in the driveway and threatened Kaine about leaving and that prompted him to get the baby the hell out of the home. (assuming the 911 call involving 'driveway' is more than a rumor. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: Blink34 on June 30, 2010, 10:35:40 AM I just don't see how a judge would issue a restraining order, and full temporary custody to Kaine unless the judge has seen evidence we have not. I still say that 2nd poly and interview with LE provided the impetus for Kaine to file for divorce and restraining order. In other words, Terri must not be as innocent as her friends think. Your correct. He has, and he has also barred both parties and counsel from discussing the reason for the petition without court approval, which is like, well, unheard of. I think it may be Grand Jury or DA testimony. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: AmandaReckonwith on June 30, 2010, 10:40:41 AM Is there a DUI pic/mugshot of Terri?
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 30, 2010, 10:47:58 AM I just don't see how a judge would issue a restraining order, and full temporary custody to Kaine unless the judge has seen evidence we have not. I still say that 2nd poly and interview with LE provided the impetus for Kaine to file for divorce and restraining order. In other words, Terri must not be as innocent as her friends think. Your correct. He has, and he has also barred both parties and counsel from discussing the reason for the petition without court approval, which is like, well, unheard of. I think it may be Grand Jury or DA testimony. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: Gypsy DD on June 30, 2010, 10:48:09 AM I just don't see how a judge would issue a restraining order, and full temporary custody to Kaine unless the judge has seen evidence we have not. I still say that 2nd poly and interview with LE provided the impetus for Kaine to file for divorce and restraining order. In other words, Terri must not be as innocent as her friends think. Your correct. He has, and he has also barred both parties and counsel from discussing the reason for the petition without court approval, which is like, well, unheard of. I think it may be Grand Jury or DA testimony. Do we know the reason for the second polygraph test? Did she flunk the first with too many deceptive answers? Did she flunk the second one also? This could lead to a verbal fight at the residence that afternoon..Kaine mad that she was being deceptive about her answers when all he wants is for her to cooperate so they can find the little red tree frog expert? Kaine leaves with the baby..she rushes out to the driveway with a gun to try and stop him and he calls 911? Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 30, 2010, 10:52:56 AM I just don't see how a judge would issue a restraining order, and full temporary custody to Kaine unless the judge has seen evidence we have not. I still say that 2nd poly and interview with LE provided the impetus for Kaine to file for divorce and restraining order. In other words, Terri must not be as innocent as her friends think. Your correct. He has, and he has also barred both parties and counsel from discussing the reason for the petition without court approval, which is like, well, unheard of. I think it may be Grand Jury or DA testimony. Do we know the reason for the second polygraph test? Did she flunk the first with too many deceptive answers? Did she flunk the second one also? This could lead to a verbal fight at the residence that afternoon..Kaine mad that she was being deceptive about her answers when all he wants is for her to cooperate so they can find the little red tree frog expert? Kaine leaves with the baby..she rushes out to the driveway with a gun to try and stop him and he calls 911? Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: Gypsy DD on June 30, 2010, 10:54:09 AM I think that Terri was having an affair as well as mixed up with some pretty unseemly characters due to possible drug involvement. Maybe someone in the unseemly group tok a shine to Kyron..knew the school would be hectic that day and knew when Terri left the school.
Just a thought..among many others I have had since this case started. But to me in the pic on Blink's site where she has her arm around Desiree looking up at her..she has a pleading look on her face..like she is asking for forgiveness. She knows she has put her children in harms way by her associations with some unseemly people. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 30, 2010, 10:55:36 AM I think that Terri was having an affair as well as mixed up with some pretty unseemly characters due to possible drug involvement. Maybe someone in the unseemly group tok a shine to Kyron..knew the school would be hectic that day and knew when Terri left the school. Drug involvement or perhaps something sexual she was involved in.Just a thought..among many others I have had since this case started. But to me in the pic on Blink's site where she has her arm around Desiree looking up at her..she has a pleading look on her face..like she is asking for forgiveness. She knows she has put her children in harms way by her associations with some unseemly people. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: KittyMom on June 30, 2010, 11:08:47 AM I keep thinking of the Melissa Huckaby/Sandra Cantu case.
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: klaasend on June 30, 2010, 11:21:29 AM I keep thinking of the Melissa Huckaby/Sandra Cantu case. Me too, there's something about the look of her eyes. Like she knows something horrible happened. (http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/terri-horman-4440a486d24083ef_large.jpg) Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 30, 2010, 11:25:33 AM Her eyes say it all ::MonkeyNoNo:: Just would like to know why her appearance has taken such a fall from when the Christmas photos were taken. Could it be that her oldest child moving out have something to do with her decline?
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: klaasend on June 30, 2010, 11:27:21 AM Do we know when her older son moved out?
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 30, 2010, 11:28:27 AM Do we know when her older son moved out? January 2010Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: klaasend on June 30, 2010, 11:31:02 AM Do we know when her older son moved out? January 2010I wish we knew what happened. Why all of a sudden, in the middle of the school year did he move out. First as I understand it to the grandparents and then to his father. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: Rob on June 30, 2010, 11:31:59 AM I keep thinking of the Melissa Huckaby/Sandra Cantu case. Me too, there's something about the look of her eyes. Like she knows something horrible happened. (http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/terri-horman-4440a486d24083ef_large.jpg) I try not to put too much into a pic or two. Pics are a snap in time, and sometimes reveal something, sometimes - not so much. But that video where Terri is "snugglin'" up to Kyron's bio mom is strange. ::MonkeyEek:: But the weird part was when Kaine walks down to speak - did you see that? Terri reaches her left arm out and like tries to give him some sort of parting "comfort" feel. I don't really know how to describe it - just strange. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: KittyMom on June 30, 2010, 11:32:50 AM I keep thinking of the Melissa Huckaby/Sandra Cantu case. Me too, there's something about the look of her eyes. Like she knows something horrible happened. (http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/terri-horman-4440a486d24083ef_large.jpg) Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: KittyMom on June 30, 2010, 11:35:11 AM Do we know when her older son moved out? January 2010I wish we knew what happened. Why all of a sudden, in the middle of the school year did he move out. First as I understand it to the grandparents and then to his father. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: Rob on June 30, 2010, 11:35:11 AM Do we know when her older son moved out? January 2010I wish we knew what happened. Why all of a sudden, in the middle of the school year did he move out. First as I understand it to the grandparents and then to his father. When I was 16 I went to live with my father. I thought it would be cool. ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyNoNo:: I went in the middle of the school year and still went to the same school. Boy was that a mistake and I ran back to my mom ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyShovel:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: seahorse on June 30, 2010, 11:37:50 AM Do we know when her older son moved out? "butted heads with K.H. (S.D.) according to N.G. guest. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: seahorse on June 30, 2010, 11:40:05 AM Is there a DUI pic/mugshot of Terri? Nancy Grace has a mug shot (last night) of TMH. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 30, 2010, 11:40:43 AM Do we know when her older son moved out? January 2010I wish we knew what happened. Why all of a sudden, in the middle of the school year did he move out. First as I understand it to the grandparents and then to his father. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: seahorse on June 30, 2010, 11:43:04 AM I just don't see how a judge would issue a restraining order, and full temporary custody to Kaine unless the judge has seen evidence we have not. I still say that 2nd poly and interview with LE provided the impetus for Kaine to file for divorce and restraining order. In other words, Terri must not be as innocent as her friends think. Your correct. He has, and he has also barred both parties and counsel from discussing the reason for the petition without court approval, which is like, well, unheard of. I think it may be Grand Jury or DA testimony. Do we know the reason for the second polygraph test? Did she flunk the first with too many deceptive answers? Did she flunk the second one also? This could lead to a verbal fight at the residence that afternoon..Kaine mad that she was being deceptive about her answers when all he wants is for her to cooperate so they can find the little red tree frog expert? Kaine leaves with the baby..she rushes out to the driveway with a gun to try and stop him and he calls 911? She broke down during the first polygraphy test, I read from a poster while gleaning on Oregon newsy sites. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 30, 2010, 11:43:23 AM I keep thinking of the Melissa Huckaby/Sandra Cantu case. Me too, there's something about the look of her eyes. Like she knows something horrible happened. (http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/terri-horman-4440a486d24083ef_large.jpg) I try not to put too much into a pic or two. Pics are a snap in time, and sometimes reveal something, sometimes - not so much. But that video where Terri is "snugglin'" up to Kyron's bio mom is strange. ::MonkeyEek:: But the weird part was when Kaine walks down to speak - did you see that? Terri reaches her left arm out and like tries to give him some sort of parting "comfort" feel. I don't really know how to describe it - just strange. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 30, 2010, 11:45:18 AM I just don't see how a judge would issue a restraining order, and full temporary custody to Kaine unless the judge has seen evidence we have not. I still say that 2nd poly and interview with LE provided the impetus for Kaine to file for divorce and restraining order. In other words, Terri must not be as innocent as her friends think. Your correct. He has, and he has also barred both parties and counsel from discussing the reason for the petition without court approval, which is like, well, unheard of. I think it may be Grand Jury or DA testimony. Do we know the reason for the second polygraph test? Did she flunk the first with too many deceptive answers? Did she flunk the second one also? This could lead to a verbal fight at the residence that afternoon..Kaine mad that she was being deceptive about her answers when all he wants is for her to cooperate so they can find the little red tree frog expert? Kaine leaves with the baby..she rushes out to the driveway with a gun to try and stop him and he calls 911? She broke down during the first polygraphy test, I read from a poster while gleaning on Oregon newsy sites. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: klaasend on June 30, 2010, 11:49:23 AM What changed? Why did the older boy move out in January. What incident allowed Kaine to obtain a restraining order?
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/Kyron_15.jpg) Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: klaasend on June 30, 2010, 11:50:31 AM (http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/TerriInterview.jpg)
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 30, 2010, 11:51:14 AM What changed? Why did the older boy move out in January. What incident allowed Kaine to obtain a restraining order? Very strange, and even though I feel Terri at least has knowledge of what happened, for some reason I'm very uncomfortable with Kaine, can't put my finger on it.(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/Kyron_15.jpg) Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: KittyMom on June 30, 2010, 11:53:03 AM I keep thinking of the Melissa Huckaby/Sandra Cantu case. Me too, there's something about the look of her eyes. Like she knows something horrible happened. (http://ttp://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/terri-horman-4440a486d24083ef_large.jpg) I try not to put too much into a pic or two. Pics are a snap in time, and sometimes reveal something, sometimes - not so much. But that video where Terri is "snugglin'" up to Kyron's bio mom is strange. ::MonkeyEek:: But the weird part was when Kaine walks down to speak - did you see that? Terri reaches her left arm out and like tries to give him some sort of parting "comfort" feel. I don't really know how to describe it - just strange. I saw real emotion from Tony and Desiree. Kaine seems detacted. The look Terri gives Desiree when she looks up at her really bugs me. Like she wants to be sorry for her, but she can't quite pull it off. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: Rob on June 30, 2010, 11:53:39 AM I just don't see how a judge would issue a restraining order, and full temporary custody to Kaine unless the judge has seen evidence we have not. I still say that 2nd poly and interview with LE provided the impetus for Kaine to file for divorce and restraining order. In other words, Terri must not be as innocent as her friends think. Your correct. He has, and he has also barred both parties and counsel from discussing the reason for the petition without court approval, which is like, well, unheard of. I think it may be Grand Jury or DA testimony. Do we know the reason for the second polygraph test? Did she flunk the first with too many deceptive answers? Did she flunk the second one also? This could lead to a verbal fight at the residence that afternoon..Kaine mad that she was being deceptive about her answers when all he wants is for her to cooperate so they can find the little red tree frog expert? Kaine leaves with the baby..she rushes out to the driveway with a gun to try and stop him and he calls 911? She broke down during the first polygraphy test, I read from a poster while gleaning on Oregon newsy sites. I could see how this could go either way. A mad and vindictive husband makes unfounded allegations - and the police take her over to the mental hospital. What happens to the investigation then? or Maybe all this pressure is too much and she goes crazy and then the investigation is in peril. Could the police believe anything she says if is goes nuts? and wouldn't a good defense attorney make a mess out of something like that? Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: KittyMom on June 30, 2010, 11:54:52 AM (http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/TerriInterview.jpg) Good grief...you were in my head. Something about this just makes my hinkey meter go off. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: Rob on June 30, 2010, 11:55:30 AM What changed? Why did the older boy move out in January. What incident allowed Kaine to obtain a restraining order? Very strange, and even though I feel Terri at least has knowledge of what happened, for some reason I'm very uncomfortable with Kaine, can't put my finger on it.(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/Kyron_15.jpg) oh dear God, tell me that's not what I think it is ::MonkeyHaHa:: Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 30, 2010, 11:56:48 AM I just don't see how a judge would issue a restraining order, and full temporary custody to Kaine unless the judge has seen evidence we have not. I still say that 2nd poly and interview with LE provided the impetus for Kaine to file for divorce and restraining order. In other words, Terri must not be as innocent as her friends think. Your correct. He has, and he has also barred both parties and counsel from discussing the reason for the petition without court approval, which is like, well, unheard of. I think it may be Grand Jury or DA testimony. Do we know the reason for the second polygraph test? Did she flunk the first with too many deceptive answers? Did she flunk the second one also? This could lead to a verbal fight at the residence that afternoon..Kaine mad that she was being deceptive about her answers when all he wants is for her to cooperate so they can find the little red tree frog expert? Kaine leaves with the baby..she rushes out to the driveway with a gun to try and stop him and he calls 911? She broke down during the first polygraphy test, I read from a poster while gleaning on Oregon newsy sites. I could see how this could go either way. A mad and vindictive husband makes unfounded allegations - and the police take her over to the mental hospital. What happens to the investigation then? or Maybe all this pressure is too much and she goes crazy and then the investigation is in peril. Could the police believe anything she says if is goes nuts? and wouldn't a good defense attorney make a mess out of something like that? Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: KittyMom on June 30, 2010, 12:01:27 PM You know, it bugs me that both Terri and Kaine grabbed Desiree. Maybe it's just me, but when I offer comfort, I tend to pat or rub a person's shoulder/arm/back. That grabbing just doesn't seem comforting to me. Especially the neck grab. That's a rough way to touch someone.
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: Rob on June 30, 2010, 12:02:19 PM I can't help it
The WTF Blanket (Snuggie Parody) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h05ZQ7WHw8Y ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyTongue:: Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: newfie on June 30, 2010, 12:04:51 PM She appears childlike in this pic... it borders approval and plea.
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/TerriInterview.jpg) Good grief...you were in my head. Something about this just makes my hinkey meter go off. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: 4 Donks on June 30, 2010, 12:06:55 PM I'm just wondering about Kyron's other stepbrother. Does Biomom have custody and if not why would she not have custody of any of her children?
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: newfie on June 30, 2010, 12:08:35 PM ::MonkeyHaHa::Thanks for the much needed laugh. In all of this tragedy, a heart wrenching laugh is good for the soul. I can't help it The WTF Blanket (Snuggie Parody) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h05ZQ7WHw8Y ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyTongue:: Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: Rob on June 30, 2010, 12:13:00 PM I'm so glad you brought that up, a mad and vindictive husband making unfounded allegations, that has been in my mind, and have tried to stop thinking that, but I can't. Something is off, with both Kaine and the step mom, imo. ::MonkeyNoNo:: right, let's get this straight. My kid is missing and last seen with my second wife, who had raised him since he was an infant, so now is a good time to file for divorce, get a restraining order, make sure she can have a gun... umm, ok. ::MonkeyShocked:: I know that the death of a child can break up even the strongest of marriages - it happened to Beth and Jug. It happens, but unless there was something so unbelievably off the wall crazy - I'm not sure that is my main priority. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: KittyMom on June 30, 2010, 12:17:07 PM I guess if LE sat me down and told me something horrible that pointed toward my spouse then I'd have to protect my other child. I would probably do what Kaine did if it was in the best interests of my daughter and finding my missing child. I think he got counsel from LE and an atty.
I'm think LE has been listening to the phones and maybe even to the conversations within the home. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 30, 2010, 12:17:57 PM I'm so glad you brought that up, a mad and vindictive husband making unfounded allegations, that has been in my mind, and have tried to stop thinking that, but I can't. Something is off, with both Kaine and the step mom, imo. ::MonkeyNoNo:: right, let's get this straight. My kid is missing and last seen with my second wife, who had raised him since he was an infant, so now is a good time to file for divorce, get a restraining order, make sure she can have a gun... umm, ok. ::MonkeyShocked:: I know that the death of a child can break up even the strongest of marriages - it happened to Beth and Jug. It happens, but unless there was something so unbelievably off the wall crazy - I'm not sure that is my main priority. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: KittyMom on June 30, 2010, 12:25:09 PM I can't understand the Kyron website being shut down at the end of the week. I've never seen that happen with a missing child's case.
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: Rob on June 30, 2010, 12:27:37 PM I'm so glad you brought that up, a mad and vindictive husband making unfounded allegations, that has been in my mind, and have tried to stop thinking that, but I can't. Something is off, with both Kaine and the step mom, imo. ::MonkeyNoNo:: right, let's get this straight. My kid is missing and last seen with my second wife, who had raised him since he was an infant, so now is a good time to file for divorce, get a restraining order, make sure she can have a gun... umm, ok. ::MonkeyShocked:: I know that the death of a child can break up even the strongest of marriages - it happened to Beth and Jug. It happens, but unless there was something so unbelievably off the wall crazy - I'm not sure that is my main priority. I guess it seems to be the chain of events that has me wondering - as others are too. Let's conclude that something very serious occurred - let's say that was a given. Maybe just moving out would be enough? I don't know. Someone said something about Kaine and / or family not wanting to be responsible for attorney fees. Ok, I'll grant them all that - but Terri doesn't even have an attorney. It would be a cold day in hell before I would ditch my wife (if I had one) on the words of the police. There must be something more here. In a situation such has occurred here - is any behavior rational? I think after three / four weeks - most people would become unglued. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 30, 2010, 12:28:46 PM I can't understand the Kyron website being shut down at the end of the week. I've never seen that happen with a missing child's case. I wondered about that also, weird, I don't think I've seen that happen either ::MonkeyShocked::Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 30, 2010, 12:31:17 PM I'm so glad you brought that up, a mad and vindictive husband making unfounded allegations, that has been in my mind, and have tried to stop thinking that, but I can't. Something is off, with both Kaine and the step mom, imo. ::MonkeyNoNo:: right, let's get this straight. My kid is missing and last seen with my second wife, who had raised him since he was an infant, so now is a good time to file for divorce, get a restraining order, make sure she can have a gun... umm, ok. ::MonkeyShocked:: I know that the death of a child can break up even the strongest of marriages - it happened to Beth and Jug. It happens, but unless there was something so unbelievably off the wall crazy - I'm not sure that is my main priority. I guess it seems to be the chain of events that has me wondering - as others are too. Let's conclude that something very serious occurred - let's say that was a given. Maybe just moving out would be enough? I don't know. Someone said something about Kaine and / or family not wanting to be responsible for attorney fees. Ok, I'll grant them all that - but Terri doesn't even have an attorney. It would be a cold day in hell before I would ditch my wife (if I had one) on the words of the police. There must be something more here. In a situation such has occurred here - is any behavior rational? I think after three / four weeks - most people would become unglued. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: Rob on June 30, 2010, 12:38:15 PM [/quote] well, I could speculate - if the website is truly being shut down, and Terri isn't screaming blue bloody murder over her rights being violated - I guess the police are ready to announce a working theory. I really don't know, I'm only speculating. I have not seen a case such as this one - not ever. A staged abduction from a school is off the charts to start with. Then add in all the rest and - wow. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: Rob on June 30, 2010, 12:41:31 PM One more point - on that child support -
you're right NRCG - how does she pay child support with no job. I guess she can get a job and that's maybe what that implies, but how can she pay child support if in jail. So, maybe that was not taken into consideration for a reason. Like the judge wasn't expecting her to be arrested?? who knows < shrugs > Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: cookie on June 30, 2010, 12:42:54 PM hmmmm..this thought struck me right away,,.one father of a missing child divorces the woman who was the last one to see his child and another father marries the woman who was the last to see his child..(Ron/Misty Cummings).....not quite sure what to think....all very strange with this divorce getting tossed into the mix...right in the middle of a missing child investigation...
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: LynneinMd. on June 30, 2010, 12:44:20 PM Where was the baby that morning?
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 30, 2010, 12:48:40 PM I'm just wondering about Kyron's other stepbrother. Does Biomom have custody and if not why would she not have custody of any of her children? I'm not real sure, evidently Kyron's mother had some serious health issues and perhaps that is why she doesn't have custody. I don't know if she has custody of the other child. Kyron would go to his mom's house, I believe every other weekend.Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 30, 2010, 12:52:06 PM The more I think about it, wonder why Kaine didn't go to the science fair? Most parents would do what they had to do to go see their kid's exhibit. Kyron looked so happy about it, what a shame. ::MonkeyNoNo::
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: Nut44x4 on June 30, 2010, 12:53:05 PM (http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/MOD/modlock5.gif)
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: Rob on June 30, 2010, 12:55:45 PM Is it safe to assume Desiree is paying child support to Kaine for Kyron and is current?
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: cookie on June 30, 2010, 12:57:50 PM Is it safe to assume Desiree is paying child support to Kaine for Kyron and is current? good question Rob Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: Patricia Mocha Latte on June 30, 2010, 01:04:08 PM I am curious about the searches that Mr. Oakes is doing. I am not certain but I read that he had asked the Parents for an item that would have Kyron's scent on it but that they refused?
I won't speculate as to why if this is true. If he cannot use an item to help his dog(s) search for Kyron's scent with then all that he is left to search for is cadavar scent then correct? (IIRC after watching NG one evening I believe that I heard that cadavar scent is the same scent no matter what dna you have.) I still firmly believe that Kyron may very well be alive. jmvho and possibly hopeful thinking but I do. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: Brandi on June 30, 2010, 01:09:54 PM Hi everyone. Hoping today is the day, but I am not confident about anything. I sure hope Wyks' guy has success where the huge SARs intense searches did not. Is there a pic of Mr Oakes, or website? Brandi, I am swiping your adorable froggy pics for the pb if you don't mind. btw, and this is for anyone I have swiped pics from... all my titles were lost from the albums at the end of March. That is why nobody is credited, there was over 2 years of work lost and no way am I going to be able to recover that. Very sorry about that. I too, hope today is the day Kyron is found! (Like everyone else here.) I am catching up on this thread, a few pages behind. You are welcome to post my work in your pb. I have learned to sign them now. LOL Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: seahorse on June 30, 2010, 01:16:02 PM Do we know when her older son moved out? January 2010I wish we knew what happened. Why all of a sudden, in the middle of the school year did he move out. First as I understand it to the grandparents and then to his father. This is easy for me to understand. James has three fathers: 1. Bio-Pop 2. Adopted-Pop 3. Step-Pop James had three sets of rules, three environments, how many step-mum's? The aerial view shows his only friend would be Smokey the bear, they were all confined in a cozy house with one bathroom. :) best estimated guess it turned into an all-out-war over everything: TV, music, eating too much, etc. ::MonkeyEek:: Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: klaasend on June 30, 2010, 01:16:55 PM I'm just wondering about Kyron's other stepbrother. Does Biomom have custody and if not why would she not have custody of any of her children? I'm not real sure, evidently Kyron's mother had some serious health issues and perhaps that is why she doesn't have custody. I don't know if she has custody of the other child. Kyron would go to his mom's house, I believe every other weekend.From recollection: Bio mom did have custody of Kyron originally but she got very ill and went to Canada for treatment. At that time Kyron went to live with his father. His father needed help with Kryon and a friend of Desiree (Kyron's bio mom) became a live in nanny. That friend was Terri. Terri moved in with her son. As time went by Kaine and Terry grew closer and married. In the mean time Desiree got better but I'm guessing figured Kyron was used to living with his dad and Terry. Desiree got remarried. That is all I remember. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: Brandi on June 30, 2010, 01:18:18 PM I keep thinking of the Melissa Huckaby/Sandra Cantu case. (http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/Kyron/Image107.png) I gotta say I agree with you. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: Wyks on June 30, 2010, 01:21:48 PM There has to be more there. And what mother wouldn't be screaming loudly for her children? Her kids she cannot see, and she isn't causing a big fuss about it. Also in the divorce papers there is something about Terri paying some child support, how does she do that when she doesn't have a job? Totally agree, Rosie. And as for Terri and finances, this is gonna be interesting. Rumor has it she has only held ONE paying job in her life, which didn't last long. It's been mentioned on sev boards that Kaine may have filed for divorce so quickly in order to avoid paying for a very costly legal defense for Terri. So if she is left with paying for her own possible future defense, as well as child support, yikes! Am thinking that Kaine may be waiting for her to realize all this and move in with her parents/family, cuz where else will she go? And then Kaine can move himself and baby girl back to their family home. If he hasn't already, he will likely yank her fancy red mustang away and sell it or something. It was a gift and in that, rightfully hers, IMO, but since he paid for it..... well.... he may not continue to pay the payments and such on it. Am thinking if it hasn't already, these kind of thoughts are gonna hit Terri soon, and perhaps very hard. Am waiting, as are others, to see what Terri's next move will be. Will she lawyer up and come out swinging? It's kind of like watching a tennis match. And we, the audience, are getting whiplash. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 30, 2010, 01:24:11 PM Do we know when her older son moved out? January 2010I wish we knew what happened. Why all of a sudden, in the middle of the school year did he move out. First as I understand it to the grandparents and then to his father. This is easy for me to understand. James has three fathers: 1. Bio-Pop 2. Adopted-Pop 3. Step-Pop James had three sets of rules, three environments, how many step-mum's? The aerial view shows his only friend would be Smokey the bear, they were all confined in a cozy house with one bathroom. :) best estimated guess it turned into an all-out-war over everything: TV, music, eating too much, etc. ::MonkeyEek:: Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: Rob on June 30, 2010, 01:26:04 PM Any idea if Terri is still gonna have a public statement? and when it may happen?
She better get crackin' or she may be making that statement in defense of herself in about 12 months the way things are goin'. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 30, 2010, 01:28:03 PM There has to be more there. And what mother wouldn't be screaming loudly for her children? Her kids she cannot see, and she isn't causing a big fuss about it. Also in the divorce papers there is something about Terri paying some child support, how does she do that when she doesn't have a job? Totally agree, Rosie. And as for Terri and finances, this is gonna be interesting. Rumor has it she has only held ONE paying job in her life, which didn't last long. It's been mentioned on sev boards that Kaine may have filed for divorce so quickly in order to avoid paying for a very costly legal defense for Terri. So if she is left with paying for her own possible future defense, as well as child support, yikes! Am thinking that Kaine may be waiting for her to realize all this and move in with her parents/family, cuz where else will she go? And then Kaine can move himself and baby girl back to their family home. If he hasn't already, he will likely yank her fancy red mustang away and sell it or something. It was a gift and in that, rightfully hers, IMO, but since he paid for it..... well.... he may not continue to pay the payments and such on it. Am thinking if it hasn't already, these kind of thoughts are gonna hit Terri soon, and perhaps very hard. Am waiting, as are others, to see what Terri's next move will be. Will she lawyer up and come out swinging? It's kind of like watching a tennis match. And we, the audience, are getting whiplash. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 30, 2010, 01:30:48 PM Any idea if Terri is still gonna have a public statement? and when it may happen? I thought that I read somewhere she changed her mind. I really wish she would get a lawyer and maybe the lawyer could make a statement. What if, even though I think she did, she has done nothing wrong and is being railroaded? Could happen....She better get crackin' or she may be making that statement in defense of herself in about 12 months the way things are goin'. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: Wyks on June 30, 2010, 01:31:56 PM I keep thinking of the Melissa Huckaby/Sandra Cantu case. (http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/Kyron/Image107.png) I gotta say I agree with you. Yep. It's the same 'faraway' (disconnected from the moment) look in their eyes. IMO. Neither are in the present moment, they seem to be back in whatever horror occured, reliving it again and again in their minds. Misty (HaLeigh case) did a similiar same thing during an interview, tho briefly yes, when she was speaking of the blankets. For a brief moment she paused, looked like she was faraway in a distance time, and when she came back around she looked as if she was about to throw up. Can't hide this stuff entirely from the public.. Can't fake it either. Eyes are the windows to our soul. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: Brandi on June 30, 2010, 01:37:18 PM There has to be more there. And what mother wouldn't be screaming loudly for her children? Her kids she cannot see, and she isn't causing a big fuss about it. Also in the divorce papers there is something about Terri paying some child support, how does she do that when she doesn't have a job? Totally agree, Rosie. And as for Terri and finances, this is gonna be interesting. Rumor has it she has only held ONE paying job in her life, which didn't last long. It's been mentioned on sev boards that Kaine may have filed for divorce so quickly in order to avoid paying for a very costly legal defense for Terri. So if she is left with paying for her own possible future defense, as well as child support, yikes! Am thinking that Kaine may be waiting for her to realize all this and move in with her parents/family, cuz where else will she go? And then Kaine can move himself and baby girl back to their family home. If he hasn't already, he will likely yank her fancy red mustang away and sell it or something. It was a gift and in that, rightfully hers, IMO, but since he paid for it..... well.... he may not continue to pay the payments and such on it. Am thinking if it hasn't already, these kind of thoughts are gonna hit Terri soon, and perhaps very hard. Am waiting, as are others, to see what Terri's next move will be. Will she lawyer up and come out swinging? It's kind of like watching a tennis match. And we, the audience, are getting whiplash. My guess is that she HAS lawyered up by now and won't be making any statements, as her "friend" stated she wanted to do. Terri and Kaine have the documents and the judge has issued that they and their attorneys may not share the contents with anyone. That's how I understand it. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: cw618 on June 30, 2010, 01:38:21 PM Quote There has to be more there. And what mother wouldn't be screaming loudly for her children? Her kids she cannot see, and she isn't causing a big fuss about it. Also in the divorce papers there is something about Terri paying some child support, how does she do that when she doesn't have a job? ive never been married/live in for last 21yrs its still working great i thought seeking child support was standard practice in divorce cases for the last 20yrs or so, a few friends that have divorced seems their papers said about the same thing, one even had a RO,not sealed of course Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: Patricia Mocha Latte on June 30, 2010, 01:38:47 PM I wonder what TH's son's life was like at school? Who his friends were etc...? At such a tender age it must have been very hard for him to just uproot to a completely new area, friends and environment.
At that age teen's are usually fairly deep rooted with their friends and such. TH's son looks fairly happy in the family pics that were released so I wouldn't suspect some type of dysfunctional behavior with him specifically. If TH's son and KH were having issue I wonder who KH's son might have vented to? Was their a girlfriend in TH's son's life there in Portland also? If so how did she take it when KH's son was moved away? How about any of his other friends? Was KH closely involved with her son's life and did she ever interact with him, his friends and/or their families at social events such as HS sports events etc...? Did KH's son know any of the people who attended the gradutation party that was recently mentioned in an article? ??? Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: darla on June 30, 2010, 01:39:07 PM Good Afternoon Monkeys and guest!
Was hoping kyron had been found when I came in today, but sadly that has not happened. In reading back I have seen several times it mentioned that Kaine filed his divorce papers and RO at 6 Pm. If you look at the top of the divorce papers the stamp says it was filed with the clerk of court on 10- 6-28 PM 3:5 ....the last number is not showing . From what I have understood Terri was served at 6PM not that Kaine filed at 6. The RO was stamped filed at 10-6-28 PM 4:39. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: Wyks on June 30, 2010, 01:42:34 PM She has to lawyer up, and I can't understand why her parents haven't convinced her of that yet, maybe they have tired and she isn't listening, I don't know. I still want to know how legally Terri hasn't seen the sealed documents, I'm not understanding this at all. I know, right? Seems that would be her first step! IMO. Maybe she can't figure out a way how to afford an attorney, I dunno. As for how she hasn't seen the documents, am thinking that's because of whatever the "threat" was back on the 26th. Had to have involved a gun or a threat to involve one, for guns to have been mentioned in the paperwork. This guy, Seamus O Riley, has one explanation that may help to understand it better: http://seamusoriley.blogspot.com/ (http://seamusoriley.blogspot.com/) <snipped> I don't know their state laws, but it is likely that in an "ex parte" hearing, the judge heard evidence strong enough to seal the Protection Order. This would mean that evidence presented would state something along these lines: 1. That the danger to Kyron and the baby is "imminent" (within 24 hours) and that it is likely to result in harm (serious injury or death) or abuse that requires professional intervention (emotional abuse, for instance, where psychological intervention is necessary) 2. That having step mother present in the hearing was not needed. 3. That by releasing the information, it may either increase the likelihood of harm to the children or serious hinder or impair the investigation. The judge sealing of the order speaks volumes; as much as the three signatures on the family statement has. (see prior analysis) Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: Tracygirl on June 30, 2010, 01:42:59 PM This case kept me up into the wee hours of the morning. I am so confused by many things in this case.
The whole divorce and RO, first off why now? I know lawyer bills but you know there has not even been an arrest. I think Terri is not screaming out because she is mentally done. I had said a few days ago, I am surprised she hasn't blown her brains out by now. Guilty or not, the pressure must be hell. Are they trying to mentally break her down? If the poly showed she has some responsibility in this, why didn't they arrest her? Something is off, there is a detail missing. To me it just seems if Terri was so unstable or into drugs or gambling, having an affair this would have been seen by those around her. Does a husband normally know when his wife is having a problem to this extreme? Maybe they did and this is why it is easy for them to believe she could have done this to Kyron and turn against her? Ugg this is a confusing one, very complex family. I keep coming back to the same questions. When and if Kyron was walked to just outside of his classroom when the bell rang at 8:45 , was there anyone else in the the classroom? Was the teacher there? Was another person in the class? Or was it empty? Kyron was next seen at 9, why is that not being considered? Why did the chaperon tell the teacher that she was missing a child? What time did she say this? Was it at 9 or at 10? Why did the teacher say perhaps he was in the bathroom or getting a drink of water rather then first thinking of the doctors appointment? She had been given the papers to fill out supposedly a few days before and was told the appointment was on the 11th, did she already return the papers to Terri? This whole part just makes me wonder, I don't get it, we must be missing something. Who were the teachers that said they saw Kyron with Terri at the science fair and just thought they left together? Why would they think that? She was just walking around the science fair as other parents were. What was different about Terri and Kyron as they walked around that made them feel kyron and Terri left? Was she walking out the door with him? Did she tell these teacher about an appointment? But if she was planning to take kyron and pretend he was kidnapped, why would she be so stupid as to say he had an appointment that morning? That part gets me too. It doesn't make any sense. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: Patricia Mocha Latte on June 30, 2010, 01:43:09 PM oops. I put KH and I am meaning Terri Horman so TH not KH. My apologies.
I keep thinking about little Kyron. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 30, 2010, 01:44:14 PM Thanks Wyks. And yes, for all we know Terri now has a lawyer, let's hope so.
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: klaasend on June 30, 2010, 01:55:53 PM http://southeastportland.katu.com/content/streets-closed-sert-moves
Have no idea what this is all about: BREAKING NEWS: Police have closed Burnside from 113th to 122nd for SERT activity "" Submitted by KATU.com Staff on Wednesday, June 30th, 10:22 am Police have closed East Burnside from 113th to 122nd while they search for someone in the area. SERT has been activated and is on the scene. No further details about who they are searching for or why were immediately released. The MAX trains are still running in the area. UPDATE: LOOKS LIKE IT'S TOTALLY UNRELATED Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: Patricia Mocha Latte on June 30, 2010, 01:56:20 PM http://www.aolnews.com/crime/article/oregon-boy-kyron-hormans-disappearance-now-a-criminal-case/19514892
I wonder if EM was either related to or maybe possibly knew some of the same teenagers that TH's son knew or? Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: Wyks on June 30, 2010, 01:56:32 PM Good Afternoon Monkeys and guest! Was hoping kyron had been found when I came in today, but sadly that has not happened. In reading back I have seen several times it mentioned that Kaine filed his divorce papers and RO at 6 Pm. If you look at the top of the divorce papers the stamp says it was filed with the clerk of court on 10- 6-28 PM 3:5 ....the last number is not showing . From what I have understood Terri was served at 6PM not that Kaine filed at 6. The RO was stamped filed at 10-6-28 PM 4:39. Thanks Darla! It helps squelch the rumors flying around the net when we see the date and time these were stamped filed. We do know from a reporter who happened to have been there at the time, that Terri was served at 6p. Everyone involved from the courts/judge/sheriff sure did haul @ss in getting all the necessaries done and served, all within 2 hours or so, eh?? Nothing short of a miracle, IMO. The speed itself is what makes me sit up and go WTH? Cuz I've been there, trying to get just a TRO done and served, and it freaking took the whole dang day, and wasn't served until an agonizing 24 hrs later. During which time I had to 'pretend' nothing was gonna happen. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: Tracygirl on June 30, 2010, 01:56:59 PM Questions! I am curious about something when obtaining an RO on a minor is it served to the parent or to the minor? I am thinking the parent or guardian but I am not sure.
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: Patricia Mocha Latte on June 30, 2010, 01:59:01 PM http://southeastportland.katu.com/content/streets-closed-sert-moves Have no idea what this is all about: BREAKING NEWS: Police have closed Burnside from 113th to 122nd for SERT activity "" Submitted by KATU.com Staff on Wednesday, June 30th, 10:22 am Police have closed East Burnside from 113th to 122nd while they search for someone in the area. SERT has been activated and is on the scene. No further details about who they are searching for or why were immediately released. The MAX trains are still running in the area. Please may they find this sweet little boy alive and well! ::MonkeyKiss:: I am sitting on pins and needles now! Please keep us updated. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 30, 2010, 01:59:25 PM http://southeastportland.katu.com/content/streets-closed-sert-moves Thank-you ::MonkeyEek::Have no idea what this is all about: BREAKING NEWS: Police have closed Burnside from 113th to 122nd for SERT activity "" Submitted by KATU.com Staff on Wednesday, June 30th, 10:22 am Police have closed East Burnside from 113th to 122nd while they search for someone in the area. SERT has been activated and is on the scene. No further details about who they are searching for or why were immediately released. The MAX trains are still running in the area. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: NewfieMonkey on June 30, 2010, 01:59:34 PM Any idea if Terri is still gonna have a public statement? and when it may happen? The Oregonian went to interview her today and they were turned away at the door by her mother. Her mother said she was not at home. My educated guess ... she's finally meeting with a lawyer ... and we will be hearing from him/her if we hear from anyone ...She better get crackin' or she may be making that statement in defense of herself in about 12 months the way things are goin'. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: Wyks on June 30, 2010, 02:00:30 PM http://southeastportland.katu.com/content/streets-closed-sert-moves Have no idea what this is all about: BREAKING NEWS: Police have closed Burnside from 113th to 122nd for SERT activity "" Submitted by KATU.com Staff on Wednesday, June 30th, 10:22 am Police have closed East Burnside from 113th to 122nd while they search for someone in the area. SERT has been activated and is on the scene. No further details about who they are searching for or why were immediately released. The MAX trains are still running in the area. ::MonkeyEek:: ::dogwag:: Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: Patricia Mocha Latte on June 30, 2010, 02:05:06 PM The link says they are searching for an armed robber? Do you think it might be related or?
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: klaasend on June 30, 2010, 02:05:38 PM Again - I have no idea if this is related, Just posting the info:
http://www.kptv.com/news/24096107/detail.html SERT Called To Ventura Park Area POSTED: 9:49 am PDT June 30, 2010 PORTLAND, Ore. -- A police Special Emergency Response Team has been called to an address near Ventura Park in southeast Portland. SERT is the Portland Police Bureau's equivalent of a SWAT team. Officers were called to Southeast 113th Avenue and Ankeny Street, but further information was not immediately available. KPTV.com will update this story when more information becomes available. UPDATE: LOOKS LIKE IT'S TOTALLY UNRELATED Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: Brandi on June 30, 2010, 02:06:50 PM The link says they are searching for an armed robber? Do you think it might be related or? SERT activated in search for suspected armed robber PORTLAND, Ore. - Police have closed a portion of East Burnside while they search for an armed robbery suspect who is on the loose. SERT has been activated. According to the Portland Police Bureau, U.S. Marshals attempted to arrest the suspected armed robber but he got away. Police believe he is still armed and in the neighborhood. Anyone who sees him is advised not to approach him or contact him. Instead, call 911 immediately. http://southeastportland.katu.com/content/sert-activated-search-suspected-armed-robber I don't think this is related. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: klaasend on June 30, 2010, 02:06:53 PM UPDATE: LOOKS LIKE IT'S TOTALLY UNRELATED
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: Wyks on June 30, 2010, 02:07:02 PM SERT activated in search for suspected armed robber http://southeastportland.katu.com/content/sert-activated-search-suspected-armed-robber (http://southeastportland.katu.com/content/sert-activated-search-suspected-armed-robber) Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: Wyks on June 30, 2010, 02:08:23 PM Way to be on top of the breaking news tho, you guys!!!!!!!! You rock!!!! ::piggy::
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: klaasend on June 30, 2010, 02:08:24 PM I was hopeful that it was related and that they were finding an alive Kyron.
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 30, 2010, 02:08:41 PM http://wweek.com/editorial/3634/14214/ Interesting new article.
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: NCSunny on June 30, 2010, 02:08:44 PM Hi everyone. Hoping today is the day, but I am not confident about anything. I sure hope Wyks' guy has success where the huge SARs intense searches did not. Is there a pic of Mr Oakes, or website? Brandi, I am swiping your adorable froggy pics for the pb if you don't mind. btw, and this is for anyone I have swiped pics from... all my titles were lost from the albums at the end of March. That is why nobody is credited, there was over 2 years of work lost and no way am I going to be able to recover that. Very sorry about that. Here ya go - http://www.blogger.com/profile/06284313256338970860 (http://www.blogger.com/profile/06284313256338970860) Link credit goes to Wyks! Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: Patricia Mocha Latte on June 30, 2010, 02:09:15 PM The link says they are searching for an armed robber? Do you think it might be related or? SERT activated in search for suspected armed robber PORTLAND, Ore. - Police have closed a portion of East Burnside while they search for an armed robbery suspect who is on the loose. SERT has been activated. According to the Portland Police Bureau, U.S. Marshals attempted to arrest the suspected armed robber but he got away. Police believe he is still armed and in the neighborhood. Anyone who sees him is advised not to approach him or contact him. Instead, call 911 immediately. http://southeastportland.katu.com/content/sert-activated-search-suspected-armed-robber I don't think this is related. I don't either. Could be though? ::MonkeyEek:: Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: Wyks on June 30, 2010, 02:16:30 PM http://www.aolnews.com/crime/article/oregon-boy-kyron-hormans-disappearance-now-a-criminal-case/19514892 I wonder if EM was either related to or maybe possibly knew some of the same teenagers that TH's son knew or? We haven't heard much about her older son. Patricia, have you (or anyone else) seen the interview some reporter has supposedly done with Mr. Tarver, TH's teenage son's dad/stepdad/adoptive dad, lol? Cuz it's being said around the net that Mr. Tarver, in that interview SAID that James went over to TH's home the day after Kyron went missing, that it was his turn there for a weekend visit. All fine and good, except that what we've heard over and again, is that he was on a boy scout camping trip that weekend. So wondering which is it? Would just like to read/hear that interview to see if that was actually said by Mr. Tarver. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: Patricia Mocha Latte on June 30, 2010, 02:17:12 PM I was hopeful that it was related and that they were finding an alive Kyron. Me too! I imagined them busting into a home and finding Kyron sitting on a couch playing a wii game or something! OMG you're gonna give me a heart attack! J/K I was right there with ya! Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: Patricia Mocha Latte on June 30, 2010, 02:20:56 PM http://www.aolnews.com/crime/article/oregon-boy-kyron-hormans-disappearance-now-a-criminal-case/19514892 I wonder if EM was either related to or maybe possibly knew some of the same teenagers that TH's son knew or? We haven't heard much about her older son. Patricia, have you (or anyone else) seen the interview some reporter has supposedly done with Mr. Tarver, TH's teenage son's dad/stepdad/adoptive dad, lol? Cuz it's being said around the net that Mr. Tarver, in that interview SAID that James went over to TH's home the day after Kyron went missing, that it was his turn there for a weekend visit. All fine and good, except that what we've heard over and again, is that he was on a boy scout camping trip that weekend. So wondering which is it? Would just like to read/hear that interview to see if that was actually said by Mr. Tarver. I just read the link you provided Wyks. First I'd read about it myself. What are your thoughts? Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: klaasend on June 30, 2010, 02:24:39 PM http://wweek.com/editorial/3634/14214/ Interesting new article. (http://wweek.com/photos/3634/large/14214.jpg) Irreconcilable The Kyron Horman case: An interview with Terri Moulton Horman’s first ex-husband. BY JAMES PITKIN ROSEBURG — Ron Tarver hesitates when asked whether his ex-wife, Terri Moulton Horman, could be behind the disappearance of her stepson, Kyron Horman. Tarver says she cheated on him during their four-year marriage. Then she left him in 1995. But responsible for what happened to a 7-year-old boy? “I don’t know [what she’s capable of doing],” says Tarver, standing with his current wife, Angela Rockwood, outside their house in this Southern Oregon town of 21,000 people. “We’re not blind. Obviously they’re zeroing in on Terri,” Tarver says. “I just have a hard time believing anyone would be capable of doing that.” Tarver does know one thing for sure: Cops were homing in on Terri Moulton Horman within days of Kyron’s disappearance. As first reported June 17 on wweek.com, law-enforcement sources say the investigation has increasingly focused on Kyron’s stepmom. In the latest developments, Kyron’s father, Kaine Horman, filed for divorce from Terri Moulton Horman on June 28, citing irreconcilable differences. He also took out a restraining order against her under the Family Abuse Prevention Act. A judge has sealed that request. Tarver, who is 41, has followed the story from 200 miles away in Roseburg, tied to the unfolding drama by his marriage to Terri Moulton 19 years ago. They were married in 1991, when Tarver was 22 and she was 21. But the marriage fizzled, Tarver says, after Moulton began cheating on him and the restaurant they owned together failed. Moulton kept custody of James, and Tarver saw the boy regularly on weekends—but recently, James left his mother’s home to live with his maternal grandparents in Roseburg. Until then James had been living with his mother and Kaine Horman off Cornelius Pass Road in unincorporated Multnomah County. Also sharing the house was Kyron, who is Kaine Horman’s son from his first marriage, and Kiara, the couple’s 18-month-old daughter. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: klaasend on June 30, 2010, 02:26:15 PM We were going down too much so I took away avatars and smilies again. Let's see if it makes a big difference.
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: Brandi on June 30, 2010, 02:26:34 PM http://www.aolnews.com/crime/article/oregon-boy-kyron-hormans-disappearance-now-a-criminal-case/19514892 I wonder if EM was either related to or maybe possibly knew some of the same teenagers that TH's son knew or? We haven't heard much about her older son. Patricia, have you (or anyone else) seen the interview some reporter has supposedly done with Mr. Tarver, TH's teenage son's dad/stepdad/adoptive dad, lol? Cuz it's being said around the net that Mr. Tarver, in that interview SAID that James went over to TH's home the day after Kyron went missing, that it was his turn there for a weekend visit. All fine and good, except that what we've heard over and again, is that he was on a boy scout camping trip that weekend. So wondering which is it? Would just like to read/hear that interview to see if that was actually said by Mr. Tarver. http://wweek.com/editorial/3634/14214/ That could be what you are looking for. No rose posted it a few posts back. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: Wyks on June 30, 2010, 02:26:45 PM well, I could speculate - if the website is truly being shut down, and Terri isn't screaming blue bloody murder over her rights being violated - I guess the police are ready to announce a working theory. I really don't know, I'm only speculating. I have not seen a case such as this one - not ever. A staged abduction from a school is off the charts to start with. Then add in all the rest and - wow. It seems like this portion of their site is being shut down at the end of the week. Maybe not the whole site, am not sure tho. ~~~~~ "We produced our first run of bracelets and got 1,000 Adult and 500 Youth bracelets produced. We have given all of the bracelets to Kaine for distribution. You may contact him directly at: xxxx to request one (or several) for yourself. We have no idea what the family’s plans are for distributing them from here on out. Also, we will be taking this site down at the end of the week. We feel we have been remiss at keeping it updated and really have no further plans to do anything more in terms of events or anything like bracelets, buttons, etc. We continue to hold out hope, but feel this website has ultimately served its purpose." http://web.me.com/owensfamily4/Bring_Kyron_Home/HOME.html (http://web.me.com/owensfamily4/Bring_Kyron_Home/HOME.html) Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: Wyks on June 30, 2010, 02:31:31 PM Thanks Klaas and Brandi for that link and article! :D
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: Patricia Mocha Latte on June 30, 2010, 02:32:48 PM http://wweek.com/editorial/3634/14214/ Interesting new article. (http://wweek.com/photos/3634/large/14214.jpg) Irreconcilable The Kyron Horman case: An interview with Terri Moulton Horman’s first ex-husband. BY JAMES PITKIN ROSEBURG — Ron Tarver hesitates when asked whether his ex-wife, Terri Moulton Horman, could be behind the disappearance of her stepson, Kyron Horman. Tarver says she cheated on him during their four-year marriage. Then she left him in 1995. But responsible for what happened to a 7-year-old boy? “I don’t know [what she’s capable of doing] ,” says Tarver, standing with his current wife, Angela Rockwood, outside their house in this Southern Oregon town of 21,000 people. “We’re not blind. Obviously they’re zeroing in on Terri,” Tarver says. “I just have a hard time believing anyone would be capable of doing that.” Tarver does know one thing for sure: Cops were homing in on Terri Moulton Horman within days of Kyron’s disappearance. As first reported June 17 on wweek.com, law-enforcement sources say the investigation has increasingly focused on Kyron’s stepmom. In the latest developments, Kyron’s father, Kaine Horman, filed for divorce from Terri Moulton Horman on June 28, citing irreconcilable differences. He also took out a restraining order against her under the Family Abuse Prevention Act. A judge has sealed that request. Tarver, who is 41, has followed the story from 200 miles away in Roseburg, tied to the unfolding drama by his marriage to Terri Moulton 19 years ago. They were married in 1991, when Tarver was 22 and she was 21. But the marriage fizzled, Tarver says, after Moulton began cheating on him and the restaurant they owned together failed. Moulton kept custody of James, and Tarver saw the boy regularly on weekends—but recently, James left his mother’s home to live with his maternal grandparents in Roseburg. Until then James had been living with his mother and Kaine Horman off Cornelius Pass Road in unincorporated Multnomah County. Also sharing the house was Kyron, who is Kaine Horman’s son from his first marriage, and Kiara, the couple’s 18-month-old daughter. I wonder if the portion I highlighted in read was attributed to a hanging sentence/though or if Mr. Carver was actually asked what he meant exactly? Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: Wyks on June 30, 2010, 02:33:01 PM I just read the link you provided Wyks. First I'd read about it myself. What are your thoughts? I'm sorry Patricia, which link are you referring to? My mind is going in a 1,000 directions today, sry again. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: flutter1 on June 30, 2010, 02:34:47 PM http://www.aolnews.com/crime/article/oregon-boy-kyron-hormans-disappearance-now-a-criminal-case/19514892 I wonder if EM was either related to or maybe possibly knew some of the same teenagers that TH's son knew or? We haven't heard much about her older son. Patricia, have you (or anyone else) seen the interview some reporter has supposedly done with Mr. Tarver, TH's teenage son's dad/stepdad/adoptive dad, lol? Cuz it's being said around the net that Mr. Tarver, in that interview SAID that James went over to TH's home the day after Kyron went missing, that it was his turn there for a weekend visit. All fine and good, except that what we've heard over and again, is that he was on a boy scout camping trip that weekend. So wondering which is it? Would just like to read/hear that interview to see if that was actually said by Mr. Tarver. PITKIN: That`s right. That was in 2005. She blew nearly twice the legal limit here in Oregon, and she had her 11-year-old son from her first marriage in the car with her, hence the reckless charge. GRACE: Where is the 11-year-old son? Is he living at home with her? PITKIN: He was until this March, Nancy, and then she sent him down to Roseburg, a small town in southern Oregon, to live with her parents, his maternal grandparents. GRACE: Why? Why did she send her own son away? PITKIN: I went down to ask that of that child`s father down in Roseburg. He said that the child was suffering in school here and butting heads with Kaine Horman, his stepdad, and so Terri decided to send him down. GRACE: To Matt Zarrell, our producer on the story. Matt, what more can you tell us? MATT ZARRELL, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: Well, the dynamic begins eight months -- the bio mom is eight months pregnant. She files for divorce against Kaine Horman. A couple months later, they have shared custody, and what happens is, she develops a medical condition. She needs to move to Canada. At that point, Kyron is living with the father alone. But because the father is busy with work, he imports Terri Horman. Terri Horman is a friend of the biological mother. She moves in to help look after Kyron. Years later, what happens, the relationship develops, they get married in 2007 and they have 19-month-old -- now 19-month-old Kiara. . . . (and further down) ALENE: What I wonder is if the authorities have considered the motive might be that she was feeling so resentful because she was raising her stepchild while her own son had to be sent away? GRACE: What about it, Dr. Taylor? That`s an interesting point from Louisiana. TAYLOR: I mean I certainly think that`s an important point to look at. You know her stepson got sent away. She`s in this new relationship that it sounds kind of questionable how they even got together. So it`s valid. GRACE: Well, she`s been in the relationship for years, Dr. Taylor, it`s not new. TAYLOR: Yes, but -- well, she was hired to take care of him. It`s not like we don`t know if they were dating, if it was arranged or how manipulative she was to get into that spot. And now she`s got her stepson, she`s got her baby daughter. And -- <snipped> Nancy Grace Transcript 6/29/2010 http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1006/29/ng.01.html (http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1006/29/ng.01.html) Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: Patricia Mocha Latte on June 30, 2010, 02:35:44 PM gee can I spell today? I meant red. LOL!
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: Wyks on June 30, 2010, 02:36:06 PM I wonder if the portion I highlighted in read was attributed to a hanging sentence/though or if Mr. Carver was actually asked what he meant exactly? Hmmm... good question!! That portion *could have* included quite a bit, which could have then been edited and paraphrased down to that one lil part. Weird! Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: bananas on June 30, 2010, 02:37:07 PM Where was the baby that morning? Good question... WHERE WAS THE BABY GIRL WHEN THEY WERE AT SCHOOL? Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: Patricia Mocha Latte on June 30, 2010, 02:38:17 PM flutter1 The way I read that is that he was 11 in 2005. Between that and other articles he is now 16 years of age.
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: Patricia Mocha Latte on June 30, 2010, 02:41:18 PM I just read the link you provided Wyks. First I'd read about it myself. What are your thoughts? I'm sorry Patricia, which link are you referring to? My mind is going in a 1,000 directions today, sry again. Whew WOW me too! I was referring to the link that NRCG had posted and accidently addressed it to you. I need a time out. bbiab. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: Wyks on June 30, 2010, 02:42:17 PM Thanks Flutter! LOL.. That NG... she has the teenage boy as 11 yrs old, when he's actually 16. She needs to come over here and read before saying 99% of what she does, IMO. But interesting the info from her guests, etc. Thanks again.
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: flutter1 on June 30, 2010, 02:42:22 PM http://wweek.com/editorial/3634/14214/ Interesting new article. (http://wweek.com/photos/3634/large/14214.jpg) Irreconcilable The Kyron Horman case: An interview with Terri Moulton Horman’s first ex-husband. BY JAMES PITKIN ROSEBURG — Ron Tarver hesitates when asked whether his ex-wife, Terri Moulton Horman, could be behind the disappearance of her stepson, Kyron Horman. Tarver says she cheated on him during their four-year marriage. Then she left him in 1995. But responsible for what happened to a 7-year-old boy? “I don’t know [what she’s capable of doing] ,” says Tarver, standing with his current wife, Angela Rockwood, outside their house in this Southern Oregon town of 21,000 people. “We’re not blind. Obviously they’re zeroing in on Terri,” Tarver says. “I just have a hard time believing anyone would be capable of doing that.” Tarver does know one thing for sure: Cops were homing in on Terri Moulton Horman within days of Kyron’s disappearance. As first reported June 17 on wweek.com, law-enforcement sources say the investigation has increasingly focused on Kyron’s stepmom. In the latest developments, Kyron’s father, Kaine Horman, filed for divorce from Terri Moulton Horman on June 28, citing irreconcilable differences. He also took out a restraining order against her under the Family Abuse Prevention Act. A judge has sealed that request. Tarver, who is 41, has followed the story from 200 miles away in Roseburg, tied to the unfolding drama by his marriage to Terri Moulton 19 years ago. They were married in 1991, when Tarver was 22 and she was 21. But the marriage fizzled, Tarver says, after Moulton began cheating on him and the restaurant they owned together failed. Moulton kept custody of James, and Tarver saw the boy regularly on weekends—but recently, James left his mother’s home to live with his maternal grandparents in Roseburg. Until then James had been living with his mother and Kaine Horman off Cornelius Pass Road in unincorporated Multnomah County. Also sharing the house was Kyron, who is Kaine Horman’s son from his first marriage, and Kiara, the couple’s 18-month-old daughter. I wonder if the portion I highlighted in read was attributed to a hanging sentence/though or if Mr. Carver was actually asked what he meant exactly? The brackets [] mean that the reporter has added information that was not actually said by the person being quoted. The information included in the brackets would have been understood by, but not stated by Tarver, based on the question just asked by the reporter. For example, the reporter might have been asked something to the effect of, "Do you think Terri would be capable of harming Kyron?" Thus Tarver's answer would not have to include that phrase in order to be understood by the reporter. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: Wyks on June 30, 2010, 02:43:57 PM I just read the link you provided Wyks. First I'd read about it myself. What are your thoughts? I'm sorry Patricia, which link are you referring to? My mind is going in a 1,000 directions today, sry again. Whew WOW me too! I was referring to the link that NRCG had posted and accidently addressed it to you. I need a time out. bbiab. lol.. yep! And ok, thanks, I'll check it out and get back to you. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: cw618 on June 30, 2010, 02:46:01 PM Irreconcilable
The Kyron Horman case: An interview with Terri Moulton Horman’s first ex-husband. snipped Tarver says. After Kyron vanished, the reasons why James left his home and friends in Portland to move to Southern Oregon have been the subject of intense speculation. Terri Moulton Horman declined to comment when WW visited her home June 23. James was a student at Lincoln High School in Portland, where he was on the swim team and played trumpet in the school band. Tarver says Terri Moulton Horman sent the boy to Roseburg in March this year because his grades were slipping and he was acting out at home. “He and Kaine on occasion butted heads, because James is hard-headed,” Tarver says. Trouble hit home again when Kyron disappeared. The day after Kyron vanished, Tarver says, James went to the Hormans’ house for a previously planned weeklong visit. Tarver says on June 8, four days after Kyron disappeared, James called him from the Hormans’ house and mentioned Terri Moulton Horman had taken a polygraph test. It’s been reported that she has since taken a second polygraph. What hasn’t been publicly confirmed until now is that authorities were already focusing on her so soon after Kyron vanished. Tarver says when James mentioned the polygraph to him over the phone, he heard Terri Moulton Horman begin yelling in the background to be quiet and not reveal anything more. Given the intense media scrutiny, the family agreed James should return to Roseburg, Tarver says. “It was a zoo, so we got him out of there,” Tarver says. “It’s just been devastating for the whole family. Obviously, the longer it drags on, the less chance there is for a happy ending.” http://wweek.com/editorial/3634/14214/ thanks for the link informative Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: Wyks on June 30, 2010, 02:48:25 PM Questions! I am curious about something when obtaining an RO on a minor is it served to the parent or to the minor? I am thinking the parent or guardian but I am not sure. Not sure, TG, good question! Just a guess would be that they'd serve the minor in the presence of his parent/guardian? Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: Wyks on June 30, 2010, 02:56:17 PM Hi everyone. Hoping today is the day, but I am not confident about anything. I sure hope Wyks' guy has success where the huge SARs intense searches did not. Is there a pic of Mr Oakes, or website? Brandi, I am swiping your adorable froggy pics for the pb if you don't mind. btw, and this is for anyone I have swiped pics from... all my titles were lost from the albums at the end of March. That is why nobody is credited, there was over 2 years of work lost and no way am I going to be able to recover that. Very sorry about that. Here ya go - http://www.blogger.com/profile/06284313256338970860 (http://www.blogger.com/profile/06284313256338970860) Link credit goes to Wyks! Awww ty NCSunny! :D Here are a couple of other links too: http://www.myspace.com/127939120 (http://www.myspace.com/127939120) http://www.k9sardog.com/missing_children.htm (http://www.k9sardog.com/missing_children.htm) Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - 6/30/10 Post by: Wyks on June 30, 2010, 02:59:33 PM Thanks CW! Yeppers, it's that interview. Gotta save the whole thing. lol
Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: Tracygirl on June 30, 2010, 03:09:54 PM Irreconcilable The Kyron Horman case: An interview with Terri Moulton Horman’s first ex-husband. snipped Tarver says. After Kyron vanished, the reasons why James left his home and friends in Portland to move to Southern Oregon have been the subject of intense speculation. Terri Moulton Horman declined to comment when WW visited her home June 23. James was a student at Lincoln High School in Portland, where he was on the swim team and played trumpet in the school band. Tarver says Terri Moulton Horman sent the boy to Roseburg in March this year because his grades were slipping and he was acting out at home. “He and Kaine on occasion butted heads, because James is hard-headed,” Tarver says. Trouble hit home again when Kyron disappeared. The day after Kyron vanished, Tarver says, James went to the Hormans’ house for a previously planned weeklong visit. Tarver says on June 8, four days after Kyron disappeared, James called him from the Hormans’ house and mentioned Terri Moulton Horman had taken a polygraph test. It’s been reported that she has since taken a second polygraph. What hasn’t been publicly confirmed until now is that authorities were already focusing on her so soon after Kyron vanished. Tarver says when James mentioned the polygraph to him over the phone, he heard Terri Moulton Horman begin yelling in the background to be quiet and not reveal anything more. Given the intense media scrutiny, the family agreed James should return to Roseburg, Tarver says. “It was a zoo, so we got him out of there,” Tarver says. “It’s just been devastating for the whole family. Obviously, the longer it drags on, the less chance there is for a happy ending.” http://wweek.com/editorial/3634/14214/ thanks for the link informative My notes have him at boyscout camp with his father. That was a comment made by the family and how hard it was going to be to tell him that Kyron was missing. Something off? Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - 6/30/10 Post by: Brandi on June 30, 2010, 03:10:07 PM http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/terri_moulton_horman_focus_of.html
Terri Moulton Horman remains silent as attention focuses on her Published: Wednesday, June 30, 2010, 10:22 AM Updated: Wednesday, June 30, 2010, 12:00 PM For weeks, Terri Moulton Horman has remained quiet as the search for her 7-year-old stepson, Kyron, continues. This morning she maintained her silence even as her husband has moved out and taken their young daughter with him. News reporters are camped out at the Horman home this morning. An Oregonian reporter approached the Horman house and was turned away by Terri Horman's mother, Carol Moulton. Carol Moulton said her daughter was not home this morning and declined to say more. Kaine Horman, who is living in an undisclosed location according to court documents, has not responded attempts by The Oregonian to speak with him. But a friend from high school who helped organize a vigil for Kyron earlier this month said he has spoken with him. Michael Cook declined to say how Horman was doing. “It’s sad,” he said about the latest development in the case. “It’s very sad. I’m just a friend. I hope Kyron comes home." Cook urged the public not to convict anyone. “I’m not jumping to any conclusions or passing any sort of judgment,” he said. “I don’t know what happened to Kyron and I won’t presume that someone is responsible because of how things might appear.” Terri Horman was served with the restraining order and divorce papers about 6 p.m. Monday at her home, about 45 minutes after she denied to an Oregonian reporter who came to her door that her husband had moved out, and gave a thumbs up, saying, "Everything's good." A restraining order is issued if the petitioner can show he or his child is in "imminent danger of further abuse" by the respondent, and respondent represents a "credible threat to the physical safety of petitioner or petitioner's child." Kaine Horman's petition for a restraining order, which must offer an explanation of why he feared his wife was a threat to himself and their daughter, was sealed by Judge Keith Meisenheimer. It was sought after Kyron's dad, as well as his mom and stepdad, had been "fully briefed by law enforcement on the on-going criminal investigation." A group of local news organizations, including The Oregonian, has requested that the restraining order be made public. The restraining order says the stepmom can have no parenting time with her 19-month-old, and restricts her from possessing firearms. Kyron was last seen at Skyline School on June 4. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: Wyks on June 30, 2010, 03:12:49 PM I just read the link you provided Wyks. First I'd read about it myself. What are your thoughts? I'm sorry Patricia, which link are you referring to? My mind is going in a 1,000 directions today, sry again. Whew WOW me too! I was referring to the link that NRCG had posted and accidently addressed it to you. I need a time out. bbiab. lol.. yep! And ok, thanks, I'll check it out and get back to you. Well... Only thing I'm coming up with is the link to Seamus O Riley, re the 'in parte' thing.. Is that the one you are referring to? If not, plz give me another clue. lol Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - 6/30/10 Post by: cw618 on June 30, 2010, 03:14:08 PM Thanks CW! Yeppers, it's that interview. Gotta save the whole thing. lol YW the whole interveiw, i gues TH cheated on tarver, she is older now im sure she has sowed her oats by now Irreconcilable The Kyron Horman case: An interview with Terri Moulton Horman’s first ex-husband BY JAMES PITKIN | jpitkin at wweek dot com [June 30th, 2010] ROSEBURG — Ron Tarver hesitates when asked whether his ex-wife, Terri Moulton Horman, could be behind the disappearance of her stepson, Kyron Horman. Tarver says she cheated on him during their four-year marriage. Then she left him in 1995. But responsible for what happened to a 7-year-old boy? “I don’t know [what she’s capable of doing],” says Tarver, standing with his current wife, Angela Rockwood, outside their house in this Southern Oregon town of 21,000 people. “We’re not blind. Obviously they’re zeroing in on Terri,” Tarver says. “I just have a hard time believing anyone would be capable of doing that.” Tarver does know one thing for sure: Cops were homing in on Terri Moulton Horman within days of Kyron’s disappearance. As first reported June 17 on wweek.com, law-enforcement sources say the investigation has increasingly focused on Kyron’s stepmom. In the latest developments, Kyron’s father, Kaine Horman, filed for divorce from Terri Moulton Horman on June 28, citing irreconcilable differences. He also took out a restraining order against her under the Family Abuse Prevention Act. A judge has sealed that request. Tarver, who is 41, has followed the story from 200 miles away in Roseburg, tied to the unfolding drama by his marriage to Terri Moulton 19 years ago. They were married in 1991, when Tarver was 22 and she was 21. But the marriage fizzled, Tarver says, after Moulton began cheating on him and the restaurant they owned together failed. Moulton kept custody of James, and Tarver saw the boy regularly on weekends—but recently, James left his mother’s home to live with his maternal grandparents in Roseburg. Until then James had been living with his mother and Kaine Horman off Cornelius Pass Road in unincorporated Multnomah County. Also sharing the house was Kyron, who is Kaine Horman’s son from his first marriage, and Kiara, the couple’s 18-month-old daughter. After Kyron vanished, the reasons why James left his home and friends in Portland to move to Southern Oregon have been the subject of intense speculation. Terri Moulton Horman declined to comment when WW visited her home June 23. James was a student at Lincoln High School in Portland, where he was on the swim team and played trumpet in the school band. Tarver says Terri Moulton Horman sent the boy to Roseburg in March this year because his grades were slipping and he was acting out at home. “He and Kaine on occasion butted heads, because James is hard-headed,” Tarver says. Trouble hit home again when Kyron disappeared. The day after Kyron vanished, Tarver says, James went to the Hormans’ house for a previously planned weeklong visit. Tarver says on June 8, four days after Kyron disappeared, James called him from the Hormans’ house and mentioned Terri Moulton Horman had taken a polygraph test. It’s been reported that she has since taken a second polygraph. What hasn’t been publicly confirmed until now is that authorities were already focusing on her so soon after Kyron vanished. Tarver says when James mentioned the polygraph to him over the phone, he heard Terri Moulton Horman begin yelling in the background to be quiet and not reveal anything more. Given the intense media scrutiny, the family agreed James should return to Roseburg, Tarver says. “It was a zoo, so we got him out of there,” Tarver says. “It’s just been devastating for the whole family. Obviously, the longer it drags on, the less chance there is for a happy ending.” http://wweek.com/editorial/3634/14214/ Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - Post by: Wyks on June 30, 2010, 03:14:43 PM My notes have him at boyscout camp with his father. That was a comment made by the family and how hard it was going to be to tell him that Kyron was missing. Something off? Same here, TG. Yep, sounds like we have differing tales about that weekend from within the family itself. What/who to believe? Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - 6/30/10 Post by: Wyks on June 30, 2010, 03:18:49 PM YW the whole interveiw, i gues TH cheated on tarver, she is older now im sure she has sowed her oats by now Yes, thanks again! To you, to all who helped! And lol, one would think/hope she has sowed those oats by now. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - 6/30/10 Post by: cw618 on June 30, 2010, 03:19:25 PM Quote My notes have him at boyscout camp with his father. That was a comment made by the family and how hard it was going to be to tell him that Kyron was missing. Something off? i seem to remember that heres a link to news on horman http://southeastportland.katu.com/search/results?s=horman Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - 6/30/10 Post by: no rose colored glasses on June 30, 2010, 03:20:41 PM YW the whole interveiw, i gues TH cheated on tarver, she is older now im sure she has sowed her oats by now Yes, thanks again! To you, to all who helped! And lol, one would think/hope she has sowed those oats by now. Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #1 6/5/10 - 6/30/10 Post by: klaasend on June 30, 2010, 03:22:18 PM Get ready for a thread change, might be a couple posts early
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