Scared Monkeys Discussion Forum

 ::MonkeyDance::

You cheated!    ::MonkeyTongue::

Thanks for the warm wishes txmom and ang!!!  Mag - a baby, our first. ::MonkeyAngel::  Due date is in 2.5 weeks.  ::MonkeySlide::

Helped to cross over.. LOl Now I need to go finish dinner and HOPE I can come back and catch up reading posts this eveing !
Hope everyone has a great night.   

TM would never cheat!! ::MonkeyJnBox::

As for Rudy Croes - agree with wreck and txmom.  He's as dirty as they come.  Remember Oduber accused HIM of corruption......I think in 2006.

So there's got to be a BIG reason for him making such a stand against vd Straten now.  Hold onto your vines Monkeys, this is gearing up to be a wild shake up!!!

 I am sooooooooooooooooo HAPPY for you Jen ~!!!!    ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::

Smooches to you honey!!!  Hope all is well with you and yours, my friend!

I'm going to have to take the Monkey Shuttle back for pick up! They're all on the other thread!   ::MonkeyEek::


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COMING!!!!!

Oh, Jen!!  That is the best of news. ::MonkeyDance::
I am so happy for you.  Babies are always a blessing.  I am so tickled for you!

Alfonso Riveroll Estrada. President of the Whyndham Aruba Beach Resort & Casino.

(http://www.caribbeannewsdigital.com/en/Resources.ashx?src=af5075daa9d64753bff58f5bae688ce5.newsx.jpg)

The Caribbean is one big tourist circuit that must be looked at as a whole.
What makes the Whyndham Aruba Beach Resort & Casino so different?
The Whyndham Aruba is owned by Venezuelan investors. I´m one of those Venezuelans who decided to try his hand at Aruba.


http://www.caribbeannewsdigital.com/en/News(1381).html

OH JEN!!!! CONGRATULATIONS!!!!!! My very best wishes (and envy) for the life you're about to begin!!!  I'm going to get to do it again someday when I have Grandkids, but it was, by far, the best part of my life!! HUGS to you!!!!!!

Thanks Mag and CBB.  Love and smooches to you both!

 ::MonkeyShocked::


No wayyyyyy CBBeeeeeeee!  Not meeeeeee!  ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyDevil::

 ::MonkeySlide:: ::MonkeyDance::

toooo cute!!!

I hope this is the stone that causes the house of cards to tumble!

Thank you for posting this! how precious Justice for two beautiful innocent girls killed by an aruban turd.

EXCELLENT NEWS!  ::MonkeyAngel::

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Thanks!! :smooch

You're welcome, loca! That Aruban turd has left a huge wake of pain behind him. He's just starting his journey into his own path, and it's not going to be pretty! Thank You Peru!!!

Something has rolled that stone to the top of the hill, that's for damn sure!  No way would Rudy be doing this if there weren't a BIG reason, IMO.  Something tells me it's going to come barrelling down upon that house of cards very soon!

CBB, you just don't understand their laws.

<Ducking>

 ::MonkeyMad::

Congratulations!  A little Monkey!

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That's a 2.5 inch baby!!  It's name is Sophia!

( sorry........ couldn't help myself.... lost on new and returning posters...........but Klaas is laughing......... right Klaas? Ha-Ha? ....... Ha?   ::MonkeyEek::)

 ::MonkeyDevil2::

Jen? What do you think is going on...... any clue? What are the dynamics at play here, I wonder!

 ::MonkeyShovel:: No need to duck. You'll have to look up to see daylight soon........   ::MonkeyTongue::


Go get your Hula Bear! It's not the 4th anymore!! The link's in my signature line if anybody wants a summer avi! 

It is for Labor day.  All of summer is patriotic.

Dancing avi.............oh, here I got it............going to change.

Klaas

Two comments went "poof".  Could you please retieve them.  Thanks

Janet

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Aruba Investigates Aruba … AG Says No Evidence Found that Alleged Relationship Between Chief Jan van der Straten & Van der Sloot Family Played a Negative role in the Investigation into the Disappearance of Natalee Holloway

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2010/07/13/aruba-investigates-aruba-ag-says-no-evidence-found-that-alleged-relationship-between-chief-jan-van-der-straten-van-der-sloot-family-played-a-negative-role-in-the-investigation-into-the-disappear/comment-page-1/#comment-2129404

Jen,
What wonderful and exciting news about the new baby!  Gosh, it's been ages since we had a new baby in the cage!  Agree with CBB that this is one of the best times of your life!  Rest up now because after t he baby is here, you won't get to very much.

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_75239.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

24ora keeps Lotto Report on its site

July 14, 2010, 12:27 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - 24ora.com remains the leaked version of the report as a download manager Endy Croes offer on its website. This despite a summation of Lotto Pa Deporte to remove it.

"It is a report of the people with money is paid on money from the people has been abused. And so the people have a right to know what happened, "said Mark Benson Denz, director of 24ora.com. "Only the courts can force us to remove the report." Additionally, it would be Denz been reluctant to report to remove, because it was published the day after it has been downloaded 6000 times. That according to a lottery would be no final version of the report, which also transforms the attachments are available, there is no objection Denz. "This is the version we got in our hands." Earlier he gave this newspaper to know that he is the report of an anonymous source "in the mail" had been given. "I am indeed not sure I should believe that this is not the final version of the report. But I think it's just fun. It's great promotion for us. "Denz said that more research reports will be published by 24ora.com. Today the investigation into the waste treatment plant in Parkietenbos published.

Liable
Benvinda da Sousa, member of the Board of Directors of Foundation Lotto Pa Deporte says first of all sorry to find that they had to hear second hand from 24ora.com commitment to providing the report of Ernst & Young on its site. "I should have expected of them." In the summation that was sent to 24ora.com system has been shown that 24ora.com liable for all damages resulting from the unlawful placement of the report for the foundation would result. Da Sousa will not say whether there will actually be passed to legal action. "But it is one of the choices we have now."

Wreck,

I'm no fan of Rudy Croes but why would he take this stand against vd Straton if he didn't have something on him and intend to use it?

He could have just let it drop with the results of this report but he didn't.

So what is he doing if not threatening to expose vd Strten?

I'm a little late here and haven't read back but this caught my attention.  So this is what Rudy Croes is saying?  Is Rudy trying to send a message to someone.  Like don't mess with me or the house of cards will fall.

Jen congratulations to you and your hubby!
Blessings.
can
 ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::

http://www.24ora.com/gallery.html?func=detail&id=9761

FIFA WorldCup Final @Busters/southbeach/rembrandt/chinolatino 11july'10

(http://www.24ora.com/index.php?option=com_joomgallery&func=watermark&catid=90&id=9761&Itemid=63)

Molly Schettewi and Olivia Zeolla

It's well past time for Croes to cough up the information.  It's ridiculous to make these threats without coming forward.  I don't understand,  if he has actual evidence why he didn't present it to the investigating committee?
Knowing, without proof is worthless imo.  ::MonkeyMad::

Janet - I don't see them, they must have been deleted.  I'm so sorry.

I don't know, I'm puzzled as well. I just know that I don't trust him one bit - he must have SOMETHING up his sleeve.

I also agree with CBB -- if he has some pertinent info of abuse of power or of facts of the case -- why has he been quiet for 5 years?!?!?  ::MonkeyConfused::

Rudy Croes was the Minister of Justice at the time Natalee disappeared, right?

And the investigation was supposed to be "independent"?

So I think that it would have not been allowed for him to try to influence the investigation is his alleged REASON from not coming forward?

I dunno. . . . But I'm sure all for anybody exposing vd Straten.  And have been since so long ago when Arubagirl jumped my case more than once for daring to question his integrity--something that not one monkey backed me for doing at the time--instead I was told not to upset Arubagirl.

Well, she's gone and I'm still here.


Just saying. . . .

We have all been wrong at one time or another.  ::MonkeyCool::

Maybe Croes is feeling more bold since Papa Sloot is gone?

RUDY CROES - FEET PLANTED ON BOTH SIDES OF THE FENCE

Beth Twitty

Rudy Croes threatens to silence Beth in regards to her claims of a corrupt investigation.  He claims that everything possible was done in the Natalee Holloway case.  The negative outcome of Rudy Croes rant was a given.
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Amigoe, Friday 30 September 2005

According to Justice-minister Rudy Croes (MEP), there is not much that can be done against Twitty’s attitude. He says that declaring her as persona non grata is no option. The American media would blow that up and it can fire back at us.

She is back in all sorts of programs where she calls upon Americans to avoid Aruba as vacation destination. “I can’t understand her attitude. We did everything possible to find her daughter”, said Croes.  He hopes of course that one day the teenager will show up, but he said that badmouthing would definitely not contribute to that.

Many Aruban people are very angry with Twitty and are afraid that her constant appeals against Aruba would have a negative effect on the tourism. Even though this does not reflect in the figures, the government does keep a finger on the pulse. Croes does not consider taking measures against Twitty yet, but does not rule out the possibility TO SHUT HER UP IN THE FUTURE. The Dutch government was asked to diplomatically support Aruba in this matter.

http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/?p=1694

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Johan Remkes

Rudy Croes contacts a collegue of Paulus van der Sloot to conduct a Dutch investigation into the Aruban investigation in regards to the Natalee Holloway case.  The negative outcome of the Dutch investigation was a given.
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August 26, 2006
Aruba wants Dutch police to take over Natalee case

ORANJESTAD, Aruba (AP) — Aruban authorities want Dutch police to take over the investigation of the disappearance of American teenager Natalee Holloway, who vanished on the Caribbean island more than one year ago, a local newspaper reported Friday.  Aruba's Justice Minister Rudy Croes sent a letter last week to Netherlands' Internal Affairs Minister Johan Remkes and to another Dutch official asking the Dutch police to handle the case, saying little progress had been made, the Solo di Pueblo newspaper reported.

If Dutch police take over the investigation, they will have access to all case files and their own office, according to the newspaper, which didn't cite its source. Remkes will visit the Dutch Caribbean islands, including Aruba, next week, authorities said in the Netherlands.

Telephone calls placed to Croes' office for comment Friday went unanswered.

Holloway vanished on May 30, 2005, the last night of a high school graduation trip to Aruba. Then 18, the native of Mountain Brook was last seen leaving a bar with three young men.

Authorities have arrested eight people in connection with her disappearance and then released them for lack of evidence.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,210525,00.html

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An Aruban Investigation?

A corrupt Aruban investigation that is far reaching in regards to those who participated is not going to allow the house of cards to fall by implicating Jan van Straten and ... Jan van Straten is not about to be the sacrificial lamb who  prevented justice from prevailing for Natalee Holloway.  The negative outcome of the Jan van Straten investigation was a given.
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Police head hindered Holloway investigation
Published: Thursday 04 December 2008 10:28 UTC
Last updated: Thursday 04 December 2008 10:35 UTC

The Aruban Minister of Justice, Rudy Croes, has told the ANP news agency that the investigation into the 2005 disappearance of Natalee Holloway was severely hindered in its initial stages by the island's Dutch police commissioner. Mr Croes said former commissioner Jan van de Straten did this to help his friend Paul van der Sloot, the father of the chief suspect in the US high school graduate's disappearance.

Mr Croes also said that Mr Van de Straten appeared to have made a conscious decision not to arrest Joran van der Sloot and two other suspects until ten days after Ms Holloway disappeared, even though the first few days are crucial in such an investigation. He went on to say that Mr Van de Straten and Mr Van der Sloot conducted lengthy telephone conversations after the disappearance and that the commissioner deployed a team of second-rank officers to investigate it.

Mr Croes added that a Dutch minister had asked the Aruban authorities to conceal as much as possible the fact that Joran van der Sloot was Dutch.

http://www.radionetherlands.nl/news/international/6079658/Claims-that-police-head-hindered-Holloway-investigation.

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JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY NEVER STOOD A CHANCE!

I don't have any way to know what's up with Rudy but there is some political bad blood between Rudy's party which is also that of Oduber, the MEP party.

Vd Straten was not a member of that party and so they all sort of had it in for him for what I thought was because he wasn't the same party.

And Jossy has always defended vd Straten and I thought because he was of the party that Jossy was.  Jossy also always claimed Karin Janssen was really trying and his papwer named her Woman of the Year.  I never understood the politics of Aruba as they seem to have any numnber of parties.

But I do wonder if it's somethng about whoat party vd Straten belongs to?  Made him odd man out even thought he was crucial to the cover up.

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Could be.  Paulus is gone.  Joran is toast.  Van der Straten is worthless.  Who is going to fight Rudy Croes.

I would imagine that all of the cover-up gang is a little worried right now, waiting to find
what is on Joran's computer.

I wonder if Peru will release what they find to the public.  I sure hope so.

Since Jug posted, I was thinking he might be willing to do a Dana program.  Then was thinking maybe Jossy could shed more light as to what's going on with Rudy Croes but then again, Jossy has always spoken favorably of vd Straten for some reason I never understood.

Very odd and puzzling to have Rudy going after Uncle Jan like this.

I just hope he makes good on his threats.


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Me, too, Magnolia.  And I hope PLE gives a complete copy of the hard drive to the FBI as well.  Maybe they will even let the FBI help with it, should they need any help.

Joran is such a sicko he may well have all kinds of information on it, saved over the years.  You can bet Aruba is waiting on pins and needles for whatever is there. 

I wonder what happened to the computer Joran had before this one, the one he is lounging out by the pool with.  There might also be something of interest on that one as well.  If Anita were a better person, she would turn that over to somebody competent to see.  But then there is no one in Aruba who would qualify for that.

Klaas

Three FP comments went "poof".  Could you please retieve them.  Thanks

Janet

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Aruba Investigates Aruba … AG Says No Evidence Found that Alleged Relationship Between Chief Jan van der Straten & Van der Sloot Family Played a Negative role in the Investigation into the Disappearance of Natalee Holloway

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2010/07/13/aruba-investigates-aruba-ag-says-no-evidence-found-that-alleged-relationship-between-chief-jan-van-der-straten-van-der-sloot-family-played-a-negative-role-in-the-investigation-into-the-disappear/comment-page-1/#comment-2129404

LOL CONGRATS. I was thinking a puppy also.

LOL CONGRATS. I was thinking a puppy also.
My B-Day is the 5th.

I believe the powers that be in Aruba think Joran is going to start talking about what really happened to Natalee, and those that helped in the cover-up.

Now if she has 10 babies -- then we have something. Mags still holds the record!!  ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyHaHa::




CONGRATS JEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Opps, sorry, computer fart.
Can you wait until the 5th Jen?

According to this site Peter de Vries has reported that Joran's DNA has been found on a dead teen in Thialand. Killed in 2008.


http://article.wn.com/view/2010/07/12/Joran_Van_Der_Sloot_Suspected_of_Thailand_Sex_Trade_Connecti/


If it comes up a page showing a picture of Joran, click on the breaking news on the right side

HOT DAMN!

From December 2008:

http://www.24ora.com/internacional-mainmenu-6/6783-hulanda-ta-exigi-investigacion-riba-vd-straten.html

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Van%20der%20Straten/12102008_Hollandcallsforinvestigati.jpg)

Papiamentu translation:

the netherlands is exigi investigacion on v/d straten

wednesday, 10 december 2008 04:30

minister by husticia sr. rudy croes have to cuminsa one investigacion by immediato on the ex comisario by police jan van der straten. this the secratario by estado sra. ank bijleveld (cda) owing to allow know at tweede kamer at the netherlands. all the time ministerio publico self does not reacciona. bijleveld is reacciona upstairs questions cu tweede kamer owing to ask relaciona cu one articulo cu owing to depart in media where sr. rudy croes is menciona cu the investigacion rond by natalee holloway owing to wordo obstrui door by sr. jan van der straten.

Congratulations Jen. It's been so long, I don't remember my first, but my 8th greatgrand child just born on the 11th. A boy 6lbs 14oz. They are all a blessing.

UNBELIEVABLE;

jenna2  PostPosted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 9:47 am         

AC wrote:
On second thought, I need to ask Jenna a questions.

Do you "have a thing" for murderers?

ETA: I'm not being nasty. It is just that there are some "ladies" who do seem to have a thing for such people and I'm wondering if you are one of them.


I do not believe that Joran murdered Stephany. I also have doubts as to whether it was actually Stephany who was murdered. Why you ask?

In my lifetime, I have personally witnessed what goes on to manipulate the politics of Central and South American governments. I have personally known how individuals get used to create the type of emotions that get the public involved in political games.

1. I was a family friend of Bill Stewart, ABC correspondent who was murdered in Nicaragua. Until an individual was killed, the US public was not interested at all in Nicaragua and the Sandinistas. I do not believe that it was an accident that he was shot by the rebel forces. And, I never knew really what exactly happened. The US government would not help the family recover his body. Maybe six or eight months later the West Germans returned the body.

2. I personally witnessed a US government special operation to capture Edwin Wilson. the most experienced CIA spy in South America and Libya. They hired a con man, Ernest Keiser, who we thought must be Mossad, to get him back into US jurisdiction. The government knew that Keiser was conning individuals out of their money during this operation. And, nobody made restitution to those people.

Stephany was the daughter of a high level politician and very wealthy man. Riccardo Flores Chipoco went to military school with Rafael Rey, the minister of defense. I cannot believe that Flores would allow his family to go unprotected in the current climate in Peru of uncontrolled crimes of violence, kidnapping, and theft. He would be a fool. He didn't go to military training to be a politician and then just ditch the protection of his own family. The casino area in Miraflores is one of the most crime laden in Lima.

3. I hope that Stephany is not dead. I have often thought that Stephany could have been a Bill Stewart to get the people of Peru riled up against the Shining Path. Blaming Joran may be a way to divert that political attention away from a plot to blame Shining Path for the murder of Stephany.

Add the above to the fact that this event occurred on the fifth anniversary of Natalee's disappearance and I conclude that there is impossible odds that this is a real case against Joran for murder.

If Stephany were an ordinary girl and this occurred as a random event on a random date, I might be more inclined to believe that Joran is a psychopath.

I do not believe that Joran is a psychopath or a murderer. You asked me. I told you.

NOTE:  The translation changed the name of the magazine from "Prive" to Private.

http://www.peterrdevries.nl/nieuws/rectificatie-weekblad-prive/

Google translation:

Tuesday, July 13, 2010, 11:00

News

Corrigendum magazine Private

Weekly PRIVATE rectifies ARTICLE ABOUT PETER AND JACQUELINE R. DE VRIES AND PAY COMPENSATION

The magazine Private place this week in a prominent place in the magazine - page 3 - a comprehensive rectification of the article they published in week 25 about Jacqueline and Peter R. de Vries. Even the magazine, the couple pays compensation. The correction is also on the website of the magazine www.telegraaf.nl / private.

- INCORRECT, VERY hurtful and misleading -
The rectification Private recognizes that "without proper justification and based simply on an anonymous source is wrong and very hurtful images have outlined" the marriage of Jacqueline and Peter R. de Vries. Also, they propose that the correction that the statements made in the story "misleading", a "serious breach of the privacy of Jacqueline and Peter de Vries forms' and that it" improper "conduct.

- NO adversarial -
Private had also failed to take any form of adversarial process to apply.
Peter R. de Vries: "It was a shameful, low to the ground that article was simply meant to harm us. For that reason, not adversarial committed. The so-called anonymous "insider" was not a layman. Telling about the viciousness of the article was that in private conversations with my lawyer the name of the author, known as "special assistant" did not want to divulge. Private however, was such an obvious mistake that people going to the interim relief judge did not dare, and now voluntarily correcting the damages for both me and my wife pays. That says enough about the questionable content of the article, I think. "

- ATTORNEY -
Mr. SF Kalff Kalff Katz Advocaten of the office in Amsterdam on behalf of Jacqueline and Peter de Vries in this case occurred. He has in recent years many cases against the tabloids and other media did.

Last update: Tuesday, July 13, 2010, 11:03 hours

Wow-thanks!    Maybe this is why it seems as tho Rudy Croes could be 'loosening up' just a tad? 

I sure hope he gets charged for that one and let's see what mama sloot will say. As far as I am concerned making sure he has warm blankets clean clothes and good food is not teaching him anything . she is still   enabling him by showing support.

Texasmom I came across that site while I was looking through the Peru news. Can't find anything on Peter's site or any of the Netherland papers yet so don't know if it is true or not.

BEFORE the investigation into Van Der Straten, Rudy was calling him out. So, I don't think it is JUST recent events.

ono hello:)

What  do you mean rudy croes is loosening up. I am a lil slow on the thought process today. I cant compute lol. maybe the california heat!
tia

Aruba should of silenced him as soon as pauulus dropped dead. Like in the  movie the godfather!they shuddah eliminated the problem! what a bunch of trusting idiots. Loyalty they think Joran  owes them is non existent! soon they will turn on anita on that happy island (snark). Joran is gonna sing like a canary!! they shuddah sent him to meet up with pauulus long ago.

This is the only thing I can find on Joran's DNA being found on anybody in Thailand.  And this guy doesn't seem credible at all.  :-(

He keeps calling Peter de Vries Peter de Virus for one thing.  I also see he has something about somebody named Jamie Simmons going to marry Joran.

I don't think he is very reliable at all.  Can anyone else find confirmation about Joran's DNA in Thailand?  This guy can't be trusted I don't think.  I think he makes things up.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YhzxR0-jF4k

I've been looking around too SuzieQ.  JMO but I'm skeptical of the source, I want to see where Peter DeVries actually reported that information.  He said it was in a Thai publication but didn't provide a link to it?  Seems very odd to me.

Read the comments here:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YhzxR0-jF4k&feature=player_embedded

I don't think I've ever heard Joran or Peter's name butchered that badly.   ::MonkeyHaHa::

Klaas, have you ever heard of this guy?  TIA

Sorry I messed up the video link in my post!   :2redface: 

Anna linked to the same video.  Hers works.   ::MonkeyCool::

You were their angel Magnolia!   :smt052 ::MonkeyAngel::

The trouble I have from Rudy Croes is that basically I don't believe anybody from Aruba really wants to help find justice for Natalee, not if it means one of their own is guilty and the island should own up to the cover up, etc.

No matter who it is or what they say, I just don't believe any of them really, really want to help with the possible exception of Jossy at times.

I think the guy in the Peter R. de Virus video is a nut job.  He is filming from his bedroom.
You can see the furniture.

It did make my heart race at bit at the news though. ::MonkeyShocked::

Too much info...ackkkk!   ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyDevil::

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

No, I'm just looking now.  He sounds like someone has told him this but I'm not seeing anything about it on Peter's site.

I think he has actually heard that information someplace.  He appears to me to be someone that wants to get a video of himself with breaking news up on Youtube before anyone else.  Who knows?  Maybe he has friends in the NL?

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/PaulBegley34Youtube.jpg)

So, do you think they reopened up the investigations of the unsolved murders in Thailand since the news of Joran's arrest for the murder of Stephany? Did they did up these bodies I wonder. I cannot read Thai, and my niece, who is Thai, is currently in Thailand visiting her family, so I cannot contact her.
sO, YOU THINK THEY DUG HER

Found in the comments under the video;

"@beachie247 I found this report on a Thailand web site, it named Peter de Vries as the source.....I will try and research the web page in Thailand........ "

Self edit, geesh;
So, do you think they reopened up the investigations of the unsolved murders in Thailand since the news of Joran's arrest for the murder of Stephany? Did they dig up these bodies I wonder. I cannot read Thai, and my niece, who is Thai, is currently in Thailand visiting her family, so I cannot contact her.

Was it me or were we down for a little bit?

pb

Good Nite!


JUSTICE for Natalee and Stephany!  ::MonkeyAngel::

God BLESS!   ::MonkeyAngel::

pb

We were down for a little bit.  Still working on forum software upgrade and other tweaking of the site.

O/T The Caylee thread seems to be down, or is it just me. I hope I can get it
tomorrow. Anyone else having a problem??????

     
Leo Nikolaevich Tolstoy

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2005/09/16/unprecedented-pressure-on-om-and-the-police/

Unprecedented pressure on Public Prosecutor and the police
 
From Amigoe Friday 16 September 2005 :

We wonder why there was so much animosity between former police chief Jan van der Straten and PM Nelson Oduber, his cabinet and the Prosecutor’s office? One only needs to read this article from Amigoe to begin to wonder if the Natalee Holloway investigation was not one along party lines. The former police chief is a speaker at the AVP opposition party function making the following opinions:

“It is very important when a person like Van der Straten that knows the comings and goings in our society, gives such distress signals”.

With such an important investigation like the Natalee Holloway one going on while Van der Straten was the police chief one really does wonder about those so called “distress signals” and whether some one so recently close to the investigation need be making such comments.

ARUBA — During a gathering for the European-Dutch population on the island that was organized by opposition AVP in Club Havana earlier this week, former chief of police Jan van der Straten expressed heavy criticism on the ‘unprecedented pressure’ of the current government on the Public Prosecutor (OM) and the police. Reliable sources within the OM confirmed this situation.

The AVP invited Van der Straten as guest speaker. He used the occasion to talk about the enormous pressure that the Oduber-cabinet had put on the OM and the police in the past period of office. “Not only the system is under unprecedented pressure, but also individuals experience that pressure and are literally being threatened and fired. The government doesn’t even hesitate taking it to the lowest degenerated level.” He even gave a concrete example of intimidation that he experienced: “Isn’t it something when the Prime Minister gives the order to retrieve Van der Straten’s possessions and afterwards comment about these in public?” He didn’t want to go into details about what he called ‘examples where people’s privacy was invaded and where people are locked up because of their actions and expressions.”

Van der Straten says that the Oduber-cabinet won’t last: “The nation does not want a prime minister that has time for such matters. Short term thinking and short term actions are not in the interest of the nation and definitely do not contribute to the increase of the integrity. Oduber will not get the absolute majority and he will then get out. Those were his words, not mine.”

He also criticized the government’s security policy: “You don’t increase the safety in Aruba by giving everybody weapons. You don’t increase the safety by establishing shooting associations with an international character. You don’t increase the safety by throwing hunting methods at illegal persons, while you should have taken actions long before they got here. You don’t increase the safety by appointing people in the police corps that have not been screened enough. You don’t increase the safety by continuously undermining the authority of the Corps management with all sorts of memo’s of so-called advisors. You don’t increase the safety by calling police officers ’scouts’ and continuously undermining the confidence of the Corps. You increase the safety by taking a model position in the field of openness, honesty, integrity, vision, and decisiveness.”

AVP-leader Mike Eman thanked Van der Straten for giving his opinion: “It is very important when a person like Van der Straten that knows the comings and goings in our society, gives such distress signals. I think that we have to take this very serious and that we cannot continue like this. A radical change is necessary after September 23rd.

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http://www.radionetherlands.nl/currentaffairs/region/netherlands/081204-Holloway-Croes

Police officer thwarted Holloway investigation

RNW NEWS

04-12-2008 (December 4, 2008)

Dutch police commissioner Jan van der Straten actively frustrated investigations on the island of Aruba into the disappearance of US teenager Natalee Holloway.

Minister Rudy Croes
Rudy Croes: critical

Aruba's Justice Minister Rudy Croes confirmed on Thursday that Van der Straten delayed the start of investigations in order to protect his friend, Paulus van der Sloot, the father of Joran who is the main suspect in the case. Paulus was working for the Justice Ministry at the time.

Minister Croes made his public statement about the commissioner's dallying following critical remarks by Van der Straten about Aruba's police. Shortly after Natalee's disappearance in 2005, the Dutch police commissioner was overheard saying "I cannot do this to my friend Paul".

The Justice Minister says there were remarkably frequent phone conversations between Jan van der Straten and Paul van der Sloot in the first days after the American teenager went missing.

Carnival policemen
In more detailed criticism, Minister Croes accuses Commissioner Van der Straten of putting a "second rate police team" on the Holloway case. The team consisted of part-time policemen who are hired in to help the regular force during events like carnivals.

The Dutch government is also blamed by Minister Croes for giving insufficient moral support to the Aruban authorities:

"They stand by while Aruba's name is being dragged through the mud. We were asked in 2005 to hide the fact that Joran is a Dutchman. A Dutch minister - I won't say who - personally asked us to present Joran as an Aruban."

Justice Minister Rudy Croes is known for his critical attitude towards the Dutch, Aruba's former coloniser. He said in 2007 that he was in favour of breaking off Aruba's relations with the Netherlands. The statement caused an uproar, coming as it did while negotiations with the Netherlands were going on.

A new political division of the Kingdom of the Netherlands will come into force on 15 December 2010. Aruba will remain a separate country within the Kingdom.

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Papiamentu translation:

combatimento by criminalidad

22 july 2009

aruba owing to wordo asota the ultimo simanan here before one wave big by criminalidad. the situation at aruba by asuntonan relaciona cu criminalidad is birando more y more precario. atraco, ladronicia y violencia provided that general owing to become asuntonan cu folk is practicamente considera normal. the week here one dead owing to cay in the wave by violencia cu is astotando we island. leader by faction avp is believe cu criminalidad have to have atencion earnest by the gobierno cu sit after by eleccionan by september 2009. one gobierno by avp will have atencion earnest before descend criminalidad at aruba. manner quite know come to anend, the faction berde her opinion is cu hotel central because one “neishi” by choller have to wordo bird. hotel central have to wordo close manner cu avp come into gobierno y will busca one another lugar before ubica the adictonan problematico here at where they can attain the trato y atencion adecuado before maybe miembronan util by the comunidad here. mike eman, mirando the situation earnest here in we country, is believe cu have to have more sosten for her police in the casonan here. some week behind the leader by avp owing to wordo aserca before representantenan by spa, the sindicato by polisnan at aruba. the representantenan owing to entrega leader by faction one raport cu is ilustra one great cantidad by asuntonan cu is bay left in the job by polisnan at aruba. algo cu is quite earnest is the manner cu polisnan is wordo deal in they payment y toelagenan. one another aspecto earnest by entire the asunto here is the negligencia cu have for her problemanan here. police is one job dangerous y cu cierto aspectonan cu do not aplicabel before another trahadornan. adicional at the this, the polisnan have by preocupa they self cu they situation financiero y all the consecuencianan cu this is trece cu ne. the police have to her atencion overall before can work at bienestar by we country. pesey mike eman y arthur dowers owing to visit the.o. keep by police by north week happen, before can see before they self the situation cu the polisnan here is trahando inside. week happen, upstairs invitacion by mike eman, ex-comisarionan by police owing to reuni cu the leader by the faction berde, because the atencion before criminalidad not can is uno without more. the is rekeri by one vision y have to is part by one investigacion completo. the comisarionan van der straten, peterson y nectar together cu luciano milliard y mike eman owing to discuti several sugerencia y consehonan cu owing to come upstairs table. the aim is before can crea one vision more cla upstairs various aspectonan cu have to mehora y others cu assure have to change. one meeting adicional cu the ex- comisarionan will wordo teni in future cercano, because topiconan by the magnitud here is rekeri quite dedicacion y atencion. cu cosnan not can follow so at aruba upstairs several ground is one achievement. the urgencia upstairs ground by criminalidad is uno quite earnest y is pesey self the atencion by faction avp, lidera before mike eman is uno earnest y will wordo haci by one manner profesional.



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Papiamentu translation:

17 July 2009

leader by faction avp mike eman in one meeting owing to talk provided that extenso cu ex- comisarionan by police

in oranan by diahuebs afternoon leader by faction avp the energico mike eman owing to hang on to one meeting cu three person prominente on ground by asuntonan policial y husticia. hendenan cu one experiencia amplio y one conocimento big on the terenonan already menciona. they're the three ex comisarionan by police, sr.j.van der straten, sr.a.nectar y sr. r.peterson. alas sr.rasmijn not can was present. also was present luciano milliard. the meeting cu owing to go in one tremendo good ambiente was uno very necesario, because mike eman owing to attain quite informacion y sugerencianan valioso cu assure have to wordo poni in practica during one next gobernacion. all three person together cu mike eman owing to delibera provided that extenso on the various puntonan by preocupacion y intrankilidad cu is queen in we comunidad. quite asuntonan earnest y preocupante cu we here at aruba day in day afo live cu they owing to wordo discuti. one sharp cu owing to come front is cu the situation at aruba have to attain one enfoke integral. on quite ground have problem y quite by one or another manner is be similar at another. criminalidad hubenil can wordo evita without have one sistema by cuido cu is funciona good y all instancia is work together. owing to talk on the problematica by choller cu we all by one form or another have que haber cu ne y con can arrive they solucionnan structural. same is count ; for her criminalidad cresciente cu is azotando we island. the idea by “polis by bario” cu is algo good have to wordo reinforza y cu polisnan young y motiva. have to haci algo cu the bendedornan by drugs. by all form have to give the comisario by police all espacio for her can work without metemento politico. on the sharp here everybody was by acuerdo, because without this never are you attain one cuerpo policial cu is funciona on the right. have to give the polisnan thing legalmente they have derecho on dje y also the toolsnan before they can work. this is only one pair by the quite puntonan cu owing to wordo discuti. very quite asunto owing to come front y self quite sugerencia y solucionan also owing to wordo treci. the meeting owing to continue casi three hour y so self not owing to remain cla y will have to attain one continuacion. all three ex comisario is attain the thought by mike eman before come in one meeting together y delibera open on topiconan cu is concerni cada one by we on the island here, uno tremendo good.

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Knowing full well that the public was aware of the "investigation", and that the "investigation" was complete...but without revealing ANYTHING about the results of the investigation...these appointments are made!

February 9, 2010 (btw...Paulus died the next day...)

http://www.24ora.com/local-mainmenu-5/16118-jan-van-der-straten-lo-guia-e-proceso-organisatorio-den-direccion-di-cultura.html

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May 23, 2010 (all indications are that a week later Joran murders AGAIN)

http://www.24ora.com/local-mainmenu-5/17962-jan-van-der-straten-ta-bira-coordinador-nacional-di-droga.html

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Wonder what FINALLY prompted the powers that be to make this revelation...which is minimal and questionable to say the least imo.  Those "internal discussions" sure did take a long time!

7/9/2010

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7/10/2010

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The aruba toilet is flushing......the turds are trying to get out....rudy/jan and the rest can swirl around and around....but urine is going to take them all down......

Good Night Good Monkeys....
Justice for Natalee and Stephany is just around the corner.....

O/T....
http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2010/07/14/singer-jewel-goes-undercover-karaoke-bar-comedy-site/?test=faces

 ::MonkeyEek::

Joran van der Sloot in the blogosphere

Last Update: 6:42 am 

   
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Birmingham, Al  (WIAT)  Joran van der Sloot.  Natalee Holloway.  Stephany Flores.

One is sitting in a Peruvian prison.  One was found murdered in his Lima hotel room.  One is missing after being seen with him five years ago on a trip to Aruba.

Van der Sloot is in the middle of the complicated investigation of his alleged murder of 21 year old Stephany Flores.  He remains the prime suspect in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.  Both of those circumstances are filled with questions and legal complications.

But there's little doubt in the blogosphere where the intertwined stories of the three continue to light up the web.

Babble.com says it's a site for parents.  One of their current lead articles is entitled "Why the parents of Joran van der Sloot's victims may never get closure"  (http://"Why the parents of Joran van der Sloot's victims may never get closure")

Read past the article to the comments and you'll possibly be startled by the ferocity of the response and the frustration and impatience with the slowness of the legal systems in both Peru and Aruba. 

One sample:  "Lying is Joran’s alibi. It worked when he killed Natalee, and he is hoping it will work again. Joran is a psychopath, and his mother believes the part he plays for her is “real” Joran. Oh momma.. the worst lies are the ones we tell ourselves…"

There are dozens of other sites commenting on, or even focusing on van der Sloot and his victims.

An example that precedes his current troubles in Peru is devoted to the five year old disappearance of Natalee Holloway, the Mountain Brook teen who disappeared on a trip to Aruba...after last being seen in van der Sloot's company.

Blogs For Natalee (http://Blogs For Natalee) has been collecting and updating information on the case for most of the five years since Natalee's disappearance.  It claims 435951 Posts in 8070 Topics by 2154 Members.  It stresses it has no official connection to the Holloway family.

http://www.cbs42.com/content/localnews/story/Joran-van-der-Sloot-in-the-blogosphere/-cMrtRh6VUibVqsTRxm_EQ.cspx?rss=1659
 

Justice for Natalee & Stephany! 

Joran Van Der Sloot Suspected of Thailand Sex Trade Connection and Possible Killings

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/5572942/joran_van_der_sloot_suspected_of_thailand.html (http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/5572942/joran_van_der_sloot_suspected_of_thailand.html)

They must be related:

An Aruba from the distant past remembered; Annie returns with family for her 80th birthday

During the week of July 4 to 11, the Tamarijn Beach Resort was proud to host Anna, (better known on Aruba as Annie) Hagen-De Vries and her brothers Henk and Albert, who returned to the island where they spent their childhood for a family vacation in celebration of Annie turning 80 on July 10.

MORE..

http://www.aruba.com/news/lifestyle/an-aruba-of-the-distant-past-remembered-annie-returns-with-family-for-her-80th-birthday/

I can only hazzard a guess, CBB.  I'm thinking it can only be one of two things - the two major political parties, or the upcoming (proposed) changes in the judiciary.  Oduber must have him dead to rights on the corruption he accused him of.  And then there is the potential of what the judge(s) did/knew about both that, and the coverup into what happened to Natalee.

Not knowing the exact details of what Oduber has on Croes, and not knowing how much those two judges knew of and participated in that, and the collusion to cover up Natalee's murder............all I can do is guess.  I would think, at this point, he who has the most power, influence and friends in the right places will prevail.  And will only be doing so in order to protect himself - not out of any sense of humanity toward Natalee and her family.

Hi loca !! Lol-I don't know ... was just going by what seemed to me to be the drift of Anna's, etc. recent posts above .. I've never paid very much attention to the Rudy Croes person as he always seemed to be in the background to me.   That island has proved to be so complicated & the layers of shenanigans which go on, are too much for my weakling brain to fathom.

That's kind of in line with what I'm thinking, but my thoughts are that he is going to MAKE the house of cards fall.  Purposely.  To protect himself and/or someone else.

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That's my opinion too.

Txmom, THANK YOU for that collection of articles!!

This snip from the first one is what I'm thinking:

From Amigoe Friday 16 September 2005 :

We wonder why there was so much animosity between former police chief Jan van der Straten and PM Nelson Oduber, his cabinet and the Prosecutor’s office? One only needs to read this article from Amigoe to begin to wonder if the Natalee Holloway investigation was not one along party lines. The former police chief is a speaker at the AVP opposition party function making the following opinions:
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Croes and Oduber have a political connection with each other, but not necessarily a trusting one (remember Oduber's accusations of Croes' coruption).

VD Straten has close ties to the political party now in power, and has had them since (at least) 2005.

Remember also that vd Straten sat on the election committe (along with Dolph Richardson's wife) in 2005 for the election of the MEP (Oduber's party).

Thank you to all wonderful Monkeys for the warm wishes.  Hubby and I are very excited!!! ::HelloKitty::

 ::MonkeyCool::  Congratulations to you both from moi also! 

I think you have it correct!

(and you aren't having 10 babies, are you?) ::MonkeyDevil::

 ::MonkeyKiss::  Good to see you posting and of course, I want to include my best wishes, too! 

 ::MonkeyHaHa::  Wreck!!!!  No, we're starting with one, and we'll see how it goes from there  ::MonkeyJnBox::

2NJ and Ono- thank you!!!

Hey monkeys!  ::MonkeyCool::

Haven't been around much lately, been real busy. Only had time to read back every now and then.
So just wanted to say hi to everyone!

Potentially good news about Croes; no matter how or why, every piece of information about what really happened would be great!

Good to see you Jo-An.  I have been wondering where you were.  We have missed you! ::HelloKitty::

Hey Jo-An.  Good to see you.

O/T

BP Says Oil Stops Leaking Into Gulf for First Time Since Spill Began
Published July 15, 2010
Associated Press

NEW ORLEANS -- Oil stopped gushing into the Gulf of Mexico from BP's busted well Thursday for the first time since the disastrous spill began, the oil giant said. It was the most significant milestone yet in BP's effort to control one of the worst environmental disasters in U.S. history. .....

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/07/15/bp-begins-critical-pressure-test-new-cap-oil/

  ::MonkeyCheer4::

FYI - Expect more downtime tonight at 6pm central time.  Moving more over to the new server that should hopefully solve the problems we have been having.

This should (keeping fingers crossed) solve the bulk of our downtime issues
 

Tomorrow I'll add back avatars.  I took them away because of high traffic and downtime due to the Caylee Anthony hearing today.  Not sure if it made a difference though  ::MonkeyCool::

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Where there is smoke............

I think there is STRONG possibility this is true!

Deepak's lawyer....

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_75290.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

Lawyer Oomen new blanket

July 15, 2010, 12:27 (GMT -04:00)


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Rudi Oomen lawyer has been appointed dean of the Law Society.

ORANGE CITY - Attorney Rudy Oomen is from June 25 appointed Dean of the Bar. He succeeds Councillor Ronald Wix that of April 2007 until last month was dean.

Simultaneously with the appointment of a new board was elected Oomen, Oomen so late with this newspaper know. Eline Lotter-Holman is the new vice dean. Misha Bemer was appointed treasurer. Maritza Boyce will assume duties of secretary and Jeannot de Cuba has been appointed secretary. A blanket for a period of two years. This period may be extended thereafter.

Rudi Oomen was born on September 17, 1953 in Aruba. He obtained his degree in 1988, Dutch law at the University of Maastricht and exercise since 1989 the practice law in Aruba. The jurisdictions that have particular interest are contract law, company law, insurance law, employment law, construction law, trademark law, copyright and criminal law. He has international experience in mediation with respect to insurance and construction litigation and has several cross-border fraud cases.

A blanket is the head of the Bar Association and will receive complaints about lawyers. The blanket is similar to a prosecutor or a prosecutor, he should stand up for the people by ensuring that abuses are prosecuted in the legal profession.

We are back!!  ::MonkeyDance:: ::CowboySmiley::

Too Funny!   Ah yes,  I remember it well. 

It is the most wonderful thing that will ever happen to you!  Do you know whether boy or girl?

WARNING - ADULT LANGUAGE - I'm only posting this because of Joran's old nickname on his Zorpia and Tickle of Loverboy

http://ht.ly/2at5v

 07/09/2010 03:39 PM
Schoolgirls Controlled by Loverboys
Math Class in the Morning, Turning Tricks at Lunchtime

By Dialika Krahe

They are still children, only 12 or 13 years old. They fall in love for the first time, at the school gates or on Facebook, and wind up with a pimp. Parents and police are struggling against the hold so-called loverboys have over young girls, but often it's already too late.

It had happened again the previous evening. One of her johns came into her booth behind the glass window, starting groping her and then wanted more than she usually offers for €50 ($64).

"Twenty minutes, normal sex," she kept saying to him, but the man wouldn't listen and started lashing out and shouting that he wanted anal sex. She pressed the alarm button, her only recourse in this cell of glass and tiles, holding just a bed with a washable cover.

At that moment, says Angelique, when the police didn't show up, as usual, and the man raged at her, she asked herself why on earth she does this, why she is stupid enough to prostitute herself, to give up her youth and her body here in Amsterdam's red-light district, up to 20 times a day. Why?

"I guess I just never learned how to do anything else," says Angelique. She was 15 when she fell in love with her first pimp. He would be waiting for her in his car when she came out of school. He bought her short shirts, high-heeled shoes and big earrings and told her to put them on. She did it because she loved him. Then he drove her to parking lots and apartments, where he rented out her body, the body of a 15-year-old girl. Angelique was raised to have sex.

"He looked like a model," says Angelique today. She drives through the labyrinthine cobblestone streets of Amsterdam's red-light district, De Walen, a tall girl with clinking gold earrings and long hair. Tourists, drug dealers and johns jostle in the narrow streets and alleys.

"I got to know him after school," says Angelique. One day, she says, when she and a girlfriend went to drink a coke after school, a boy offered her a chair, an attractive, 19-year-old Moroccan. He bought her a drink and then invited her back to his car to listen to music. Soon he was taking her to parties and discotheques and giving her alcohol. She fell in love. A few weeks later, he forced her to sleep with strange men for the first time.

Seeking Out Schoolgirls

In the Netherlands they're called loverboys, these men who captivate schoolgirls and then send them out on the streets, young men who meet 13, 14 and 15-year-old girls outside their schools or online, through social networks like Facebook, and who then make them dependent on their attentions, their affection and drugs, until it's too late and the girls belong to them.

That was how it happened with Angelique, who was in 8th grade when it started; and with Maria, 12, whose loverboy made sure that she continued going to school; and with Mowitha, a 13-year-old girl who liked playing football and the guitar, until she met her loverboy.

Dutch society has been shaken by the stories of girls like Angelique, who go to math class in the morning and turn tricks at lunchtime, sometimes even during free periods between classes. But what is perhaps most shocking is that these are not girls from broken homes and socially deprived environments who are sliding into and disappearing in the underworld, but girls from the center of society, daughters of teachers and café owners. Sometimes they work as prostitutes for years before anyone even notices.

Emotional dependence between prostitutes and pimps has always existed. Women are made submissively dependent with drugs, violence and sometimes affection, to ensure that they do their pimps' bidding. But the idea that young men are systematically seeking out schoolgirls to groom them to become prostitutes is a new phenomenon that has overwhelmed parents, teachers and the police.

To fight the problem, Dutch schools are holding informational seminars, social service agencies are setting up shelters for the victims and criminologists are taking a look at the issue. In Germany, a few parents are also waking up to reality and turning to aid organizations, because they are at a loss as to how to save their daughters from pimps.

"Soon he started giving me marijuana and cocaine," says Angelique. She went to school in the morning, where she tried to appear alert. In the afternoon, she went to rendezvous points and got into his car.

If she refused, he would pinch her and hit her, on her arms and legs, in spots where no one would notice. Her mobile phone was constantly ringing, and she was getting messages from him, like: "where are you?" and "get over here, right away." She would tell her parents that she was going to a friend's house.

"I know that he was bad for me," says Angelique, "and that he messed up my life." But to be honest, she adds, she still dreams about his eyes.

By then, she was probably already too involved and not open to outside help anymore. "At a certain point, the girls are no longer capable of recognizing reality," and the loverboy becomes the only reality, says Bärbel Kannemann. She is a short, plump woman, a retired inspector who worked for the police in Germany for 35 years. Now she divides her time between Germany and the Netherlands. She became aware of the issue of loverboys through a TV program about missing children. For the last two years, Kannemann has been involved with an organization called "Stoploverboys."

Aid organizations estimate that about 1,500 young girls fall victim to this form of prostitution every year. The victims are usually afraid to go to the police, for various reasons: because they are being threatened, because they feel ashamed or guilty, or because they have no proof. Two years ago, 180 complaints were filed against loverboys, but police suspect that the number of unreported cases is much higher.

Sophisticated System of Control

The burden of proof rests with the girls. But how can someone prove, years later, that they were abused as a child? The girls are often under the influence of drugs or in shock, and the months become a blur of different places, violence and sex. And besides, who believes what a whore has to say?

"After school, I go to my daily rape," says Kannemann, describing a situation to which many of the girls have become accustomed. Together with Angelique's mother, Anita de Wit, she goes to schools and speaks with parents and victims. Only yesterday, she went to the red-light district in Rotterdam to look for a girl whose parents had reported her as missing. This year alone, says Kannemann, she and de Wit have liberated seven girls from the clutches of their respective loverboys. Kannemann is also trying to investigate cases in Germany, where the first victims contacted her a few weeks ago.

The mechanisms they use to entice the girls into submission, says Kannemann, are always the same: The pimp alienates a girl from her environment and stirs her up against her parents until he become the only person she can relate to.

It is a sophisticated system of control, power and rewards. Eventually, the girls feel that they hardly have an identity of their own without these men, says Kannemann. Sometimes it takes years until girls are able to lead independent lives again.

Maria Mosterd has managed to get out, but she wonders how long it will last. "If he found me," she says, "I can't say that I would never go back to him."

She is sitting in the garden of a row house in a small Dutch city, a pretty girl with her hair braided into pigtails. No one can know where she lives, she says. She is 22 and has a young daughter and a new life, "but it's difficult for me," she says. For years, her life was structured around orders. Her pimp constantly told her what to do, "what to wear, what to say, with whom to sleep -- and suddenly I have to make so many decisions on my own."

It was a summery day in August or September when Maria met her loverboy. She was riding her bike to a new school. Maria was 12 years old.

He was leaning against his car on the school parking lot. The car had darkened windows, and he was a heavyset black man with a big gold chain around his neck. He looked like an actor in a rap video.

"Hello," he said as she rode by. That was all he said, but Maria thought that it sounded cool, and she felt the other girls looking at her, admiringly, perhaps even with envy. "Hello," she replied, as she continued riding her bike to the school.

He was standing there again a few days later, but this time he wanted to talk to her and give her compliments. He said his name was Manou. The fourth time they met he took her for a ride in his car and then, according to Maria, took her to a house where he raped her. He told her that it was normal for girls her age to do things like that. She was now his prostitute, his property.

'It Was Like an Addiction'

He picked her up after school, gave her marijuana, prostituted her to johns during her free periods, and made sure that she was back in class on time and was always present to take important tests. He was making sure that no one would notice anything.

Maria's mother, Lucie Mosterd, a teacher in a nearby school, noticed how her daughter was changing during that time, and how she became estranged from her mother. "She was aggressive and her speech changed". In the past, says Mosterd, Maria was shy and even-tempered, "but suddenly she was a beast, a slut." When Maria came home in the afternoon, she immediately took a shower. "I thought she was sweaty from riding her bike," says the mother. In reality, her daughter was washing off the smell of her johns before she slammed her door shut.

For parents, it is difficult to judge whether changes in their daughters can still be attributed to puberty, a time when it is normal for cracks to form in the relationship between parents and their children. "I thought it was because of puberty," says Lucie Mosterd. "Perhaps it was also depression. Or maybe she was borderline." She sent her daughter to a psychotherapist, "but I had become a brilliant liar," says Maria, who had devised an explanation for everything.

In school too, it took a long time before anyone noticed what was wrong with Maria. Her loverboy made sure that she was not absent enough to raise any alarm bells. Whenever she had to leave class, Maria told her teachers that she had to go to the doctor, or she invented other lies.

'It Was Totally Normal for Me'

After two years, when Maria was 14, her loverboy came home with her for the first time, to the attractive row house on a small canal where she lived with her family. He introduced himself to her mother as a new boyfriend, and he claimed that he was attending the vocational school next to Maria's school. The mother thought the boy, who already had a car, was too old for her daughter. But she liked him, so she permitted him to visit Maria as long as she was home.

He ate dinner with the family and he played with Maria's little brothers. There are some photos of Manou with his arm around Maria, but in others he is shown with fighting dogs.

By now Maria was high most of the time. She had become violent, and anyone who addressed her in school ran the risk of being assaulted. She became a dealer for Manou and introduced other girls to him. At some point, when Maria was 16, a teacher asked her what was going on. The teacher had noticed her aggressive behavior, her absences from school and the rings around her eyes. Maria, not knowing what to say, told the teacher that she had been raped by four men in an apartment.

"At the time, I really didn't understand why she and my mother made such a big deal out of it," says Maria. "It was totally normal for me." She took the police to the apartment where it had happened. Three of the men were sentenced to ridiculously short prison terms for having sex with a minor, but not for rape. Maria did not, however, involve her pimp, Manou. "I was so dependent on him," says Maria. "It was like an addiction."

'Men Are Disgusting Creatures'

In the Netherlands, girls like Maria, who have been victimized by loverboys, are placed in a special section of a juvenile prison for their own safety. Her mother, desperate, gave her a choice: prison or a therapeutic project in India, so far away from her pimp that he would never find her. Maria, who was 16 by then, went to India, where she worked with children in an orphanage and spoke with her social worker every day. It took a long time before she realized that Manou was a criminal. "I didn't even know myself without him," she says. It was as if she had grown up with him.

"My life is boring today," says Maria, as she sits in the small garden behind her row house. Yes, she says, it sounds absurd, but somehow, in a sick way, she misses the excitement of her former life. She says that because of him she became a dull, hard person who has trouble empathizing with others. She cannot imagine being in love and having a relationship. "For me, men are disgusting creatures."

It's early in the morning on a clear spring day in the Maasland region in the southern Netherlands. Some 70 kilometers away Angelique, the Amsterdam girl, is preparing for her next shift behind the shop window, as her mother, Anita de Wit, sits down behind the teacher's desk in a stifling classroom fully of teenagers. She wants to prevent more girls from suffering the same fate as her daughter.

"What is a loverboy?" she asks. "A pimp," the students say, giggling.

De Wit shows the class a film in which a girl talks about how her loverboy forced her to have sex, and how she smuggled drugs for him, was caught and is now in prison. Maria Mosterd also appears in the film. Then de Wit shows a recording of a 2007 Dutch TV program about missing children.

At the time, Angelique had disappeared from a therapeutic facility, together with a boy, and de Wit began searching for her daughter by posting flyers in Rotterdam and other cities. She was also accompanied by a camera team.

Suddenly, after six weeks, she received a call from her daughter. "Where are you, where are you?" the mother asked. "I don't know," Angelique said, with panic in her voice, "somewhere in Rotterdam."

She said that she had run away from a house filled with men to get to a telephone store. The film shows the mother and daughter when they are reunited for the first time. Angelique looks puffy and her eyes are tearstained. "They forced me to take drugs and sleep with men," she says. The policed raided the house and arrested most of the men.

Things improved for Angelique after that. She helped her mother with her work at the Stoploverboys group, and she seemed to be doing well. She was 19. Then, on a weekend in Amsterdam, she met Yassin, her next pimp, fell in love and the horror began all over again.

Angelique is now so brainwashed that she voluntarily prostitutes herself for a man. Maria lives a hidden life in a secret location and is nostalgic about her past. Mowitha Wittmer will still have to choose the direction in which her life will go. She disappeared on Nov. 5, 2009.

"The last traces of her lead to a German brothel," says her mother, Estella Kempen. She glances around Mowitha's room on the top floor of her house in the southern Dutch city of Maastricht. Kempen is a petite woman, desperate but composed. The words "Happy Birthday Mowitha, Sweet 16" are written on a blackboard, and the walls are covered with vacation snapshots, posters of Bob Marley and strings of lights -- a normal teenager's room. "In reality, I lost her much earlier," says the mother. Mowitha was 13 when she met her loverboy. Five months ago, she ran away from a closed facility for girls.

Traces of a Lost Daughter

Kempen and her husband are both music teachers. They live in an attractive, welcoming and lovingly furnished house. She sounds astonished when she talks about her daughter's story, as if she were hearing it for the first time. But on the table in front of her are police files, court summons and pieces of evidence from the last four years -- all traces of a lost daughter.

Mowitha attended the same therapeutic project in India where Maria Mosterd went to get away from her loverboy. There are photos on the table of her dressed in a sari, a beaming girl with curly hair and freckles. For a time, after she had returned to the Netherlands, it seemed as if she were coming to her senses and wanted to lead a normal life. But then she slid back into prostitution, and her mother felt that her only option was to send her to the juvenile prison.

In November, she and another girl ran away from the facility by climbing the fence. Her loverboy had contacted her again, via the Internet, e-mail and text messaging.

The investigators managed to get into his e-mail account. He goes by the screen name babsyscle23. In one e-mail, he writes that she has to get a passport because he wants to take her abroad. He also tells her to have his name tattooed onto her chest in two places. This is how pimps mark their prostitutes.

Together with Angelique's mother Anita de Wit and Bärbel Kannemann of Stoploverboys, Estella Kempen is now searching for her daughter. She has printed flyers, one in Dutch and one in German, that include a photo of Mowitha and state that she is 17 and 1.60 meters (5'3") tall. The women follow up on leads from informants within the prostitution milieu. A girl wrote that she had worked with Mowitha in a brothel near Kleve in western Germany. Kempen plans to go there, hand out flyers and search brothels.

A few weeks ago, Dutch Justice Minister Ernst Hirsch Ballin proposed legislation that would raise the minimum age for prostitutes from 18 to 21, so as to protect minors from involuntary prostitution, human trafficking and loverboys.

The legislation probably won't do Kempen any good. She has almost completely lost her daughter already. Mowitha will no longer be a minor when she turns 18 in October. Then she'll be just like Angelique, a prostitute working behind a shop window or in a brothel somewhere in the world.

Translated from the German by Christopher Sultan

Good Morning all!

I've been over in the Kyron thread, biting my tongue and slapping my own hands away from the keyboard.  Shame on me - I've missed news over here.

Can someone re-post, or catch me up on what Rudy has now said about the outcome of the JvdS investigation?

I did catch the Joran DNA/Thailand report/rumor.  I wouldn't at all be surprised it that was true.

and...most importantly:

Jen!!   ::MonkeyDance::   ::MonkeyDance::

Congratulations!  I'm just thrilled for you!

From yesterday's Diario Front Page

http://www.diario.aw/

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Papiamentu translation:

several aruban will is deteni at new york

There wasn't an online article that I could find about this.  I'm wondering if it has anything to do with the guy that was arrested before boarding a flight to New York with drugs.

If anyone comes across a report of the arrests, please post it!

http://www.diario.aw/2010/06/un-acusado-mericano-kier-worde-husga-na-merca-mientras-caso-atraco-kentucky-fried-chicken-posponi/

7/15/2010 Diario online

http://www.diario.aw/

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Good Morning, Monkeys!

Another scorcher in Alabama, I'm afraid.

That article Klaas posted is discouraging because this is the same kind of thing being reported five years ago when Natalee first disappeared.  At that time, they said they were making progress and that even much of the Red Light District was being shut down.  Apparently not.

Raising the age might help some of the very young but as long as this sleaze is legal there will be abuse because it is abusive by its very nature.

TxMom,

Care to venture a guess as to what that cartoon means?  Does Dolphi have competition for his job or something?

From some of the photos you have posted lately, he just may be way too "kewl" (at least in his own mind) to serve in a position as serious as Chief of Police.

I never get the cartoons in Aruba.


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I found it.  Page 97 of the last thread (#842)

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8176.msg1183375#msg1183375

Thanks for posting the article Klaas.  Sad... ::MonkeyNoNo::

I don't doubt for a second that there's more than coincidence with Joran's nic and the activities described in the article.  We've seen plenty to verify that.

Can't help but wonder why the seemingly "privileged" son of a teacher in the International School and a judge in training would consider those activities the way to go...

Was Paulus a pimp too?  Did Anita have a "loverboy"?  Or maybe the uncle that helped Joran out when he damaged the house he was renting in Thailand, and seems to be the go to person when the boys want something they can't afford...is a pimp too?  Just wondering...  I don't think Joran decided all by himself that trafficking women was THE WAY to make money.  He's been learning all along the way from someone.  JMO

Something else...I've thought a lot about the fact that Anita's father is never mentioned.  The only mention of her parents I've ever seen is that she is the daughter of Trudie Hugen.  She also seems close to her grandmother. 

A grandfather was quoted in the articles about Joran staying with the grandparents for a while in Arnhem, I'm guessing that was with his grandmother Trudie.  I'm pretty sure I recall that Paulus's father died when he was young (about 5 years old iirc).  Even if Anita's father is dead it seems like he would have been mentioned somewhere along the way...  Maybe her parents divorced and Trudie is remarried?...

I think that Trudy Hassel is definitely competition.  I don't recall exactly what her title was when she was on the police force when Natalee disappeared.  And remember she left and went somewhere else for a while.  But it seems like from things I've read she was a very effective leader in the police force and seemingly well respected regarding her ideas to combat crime.

But we all know in Aruba...it's a man's world, I doubt that the best candidate would be the only consideration if the choice is between a man and a woman.

If you'll recall in the award presentation a few days ago...Dolfi was the presenter...Trudy was sitting at the table.

My guess is that Paul will pick Dolfi.

If Trudy is chosen, I look for Dolfi to seek compensation...lol

jmo

Thanks Klassend for the Article.

Loverboys are pimps.. Or they find girls for pimps and sell the girl to the pimp "there client"

They are real and they lead young girls away from home. The girls leave with the loverboy of there own accord and therefore are not kidnapped.

Americans have a very hard time understanding or comprehending the reality of the LoverBoy.
They think it is just a name. In all actuality it is a profession.

Joran has since day 1 showed that he is a capable LoverBoy and there is no doubt in my mind that he has sold females to clients before.

I think that's basically the same as was was in this article from Bondia too.

http://www.bondia.com/index.php?option=com_flippingbook&book_id=2

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Papiamentu translation:

reaccionando on rapport by om y declaracion by jan vd straten
at present ex minister rudy croes self be willing to “basha abou”
on thing owing to sosode in caso holloway if have to,
the will haci this in her autobiografia

oranjestad – ex minister by husticia rudy croes do not by acuerdo cu the conclusion by the so be called “feitenonderzoek” on rol by ex comisario by police jan vd straten in the caso holloway. “si not come coreccion, i am sintimi obliga by skibi like owing to sosode” the ex mandatario is say the vespertino amigoe. “mi is hayami obliga by write thing owing to sosode before so everybody can saca they conclusion” croes is sigu say.

croes owing to say cu actualmente the is trahando on her biografia where cu the is repasa her 21 ana by carera politico. “si not come one coreccion, my will laydown the affair here inside assure. the will become one pagina scur” croes is follow say. sinembargo croes does not owing to reacciona on the comentario by vd straten cu past owing to haci on the same rapport here. van der straten owing to declara at the vespertino some day anterior cu the is evaluando cu her advocate before take pace before clean her name. here vd straten owing to say cu the will is satisfecho also cu one simple dispensa.

was at end by 2008 cu croes owing to lance critica severo in direccion by the ex chef. van der straten according croes, will owing to stroba the part inicial by the investigacion in the desaparicion by caso holloway. owing to base by the critica here, pg robert pieters at comienso by 2009, owing to inicia one so be called “investigacion by hechos”, cu owing to wordo efectua before landsrecherche. owing to base by the investigacion here, ministerio publico owing to allow know cu the declaracionnan haci before croes, not had base y proof. croes sinembargo is follow bird upstairs cu the is right. “mi not is right cu the rapport y cu thing cu ministerio publico owing to declara” croes is follow say in the vespertino.

is conoci cu for by principio, cores not owing to part one bean cu van der straten y cu always the la critica the form con van der straten owing to maneha the cuerpo do police y all another cos cu the la haci in the curepo. the la critica the restructuracion cu van der straten owing to haci the time cu the la funciona in cuerpo. also the form con the ex comisario owing to atende the caso holloway, tildando the comisario by had amistad close by family van der sloot cu owing to laydown cu the will have to owing to tapa cierto informacion.

never croes owing to indicate her good palebra for her ex comisario y was one by the motibonan also cu vd straten owing to dicidi by retira more first cu time, although cu the had desire by remain because boss by cuerpo. the had quite person at her please, but the presion politico dado memento owing to become mucho quite cu owing to laydown cu the la dicidi by entrega but cu the affirmation cu the will not sosega till hour the asunto here remain regulation. y at present have indicacion cu this will can sosode. con this will sosode y that result asaki will have, do not conoci. come across

Texasmom I agree.  Joran learned it from someone and I think it was Paulus.

A lot of things make me think he's the most likely candidate too.

One being the "required recommendation" that he failed to receive from his peers in order to become a judge.  IMO...THEY KNEW because some of them were clients.

Remember who recommended him for that position....Remkes.

Remkes has a lot of Thailand connections too.  And is as dirty as they come.  JMO

I do think Anita was in that sexual world when she was younger.
We already know Paulus was a practicing attorney when he was younger.
How these two met I have no idea.
 Anita herself has discounted Kids having sex and even allowed it in her own home. She also discounts anything having to do with Porn as not a problem.
I have to think that her attitude on Sex and Porn is not uncommon in Europe..

There is a very large community around the whole world that supports the Porn Industry as well as armatures and others.
There is also a large group of people that support plain nudity ..such as nude beaches and nude community.

It is a very confused subject because of the variations.
BUT The LOVERBOY is a criminal. By design these people Both male and female intend to inslave other humans for the purpose of profit and do so each and every day. 


 

BBL, yard work to be done!   ::MonkeyCool::

I've always seen Anita as being more crude than Paulus for some reason.  I think she thought she was being soooo sophicticated with her leniency as a parent and likely teacher.  I think she is the one who allowed Joran to live in that shed as though he had reason to need privacy at such a young age.

Joran has said if he asked Paulus the answer would always be no so he asked Anita or words to that effect.  I think she had a "boys will be boys" attitude about all the wrong doings of Joran and likely the other two. 

We sure don't see any improvement in Sebastian since she has been the sole parent but then it's too late likely even for him.

She is the one rumored to have quite a past in regard to this kind of behavior, prostitution, and the one the family of Paulus disapproved of.  And remember Joran was two years old and she was pregnant with Val before they even got married so she sees a child out of wedlock or two as A-OK.

She's the one kicking people in the butt, at ALL the bars now, etc.  So I tend to think Anita ran everything in that house when Joran wasn't in charge.   She's totally New Age with her Bhudism and artsy fartsy pretentions.

And she's the one who said Natalee should never have gotten into that car with "those boys" even though one of them was her own son.  Why would any mother say such about her own child?  I'd think a girl far safer with one of my kids than alone but she knew differently and had no problem with that other than with the VICTIM!

But I do hope some other parents are taking note of what that excessively permissive attitude at far too young an age can lead to.  Young kids and porn do not mix well.  The outcome is never good on that one.

But it took two parents acting in concert to produce the likes of the monster that Joran truly is. 

We saw it and said so all along.  Why were they so blind? 

OT.. Note from one of my sons ..

Anthrax poision found in detergent packages of TIDE coming through the mail system.
Do not open or use.

7 people dead already.

WOW, ty

Oh, Edward!

http://www.snopes.com/rumors/perfume.asp
 
Anthrax poison in Tide detergent packs coming through the mail. Do not open or use, 7 dead already. This is real not a chain letter.

 
HOAX!


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http://chattahbox.com/world/2010/07/16/jordan-van-der-sloot-an-even-bigger-monster-accused-of-underage-sex-trafficking/

Jordan Van Der Sloot an Even Bigger Monster; Accused of Underage Sex Trafficking

Peru (ChattahBox) – Thought his obvious guilt in the deaths of two women was bad enough? Turns out Jordan Van der Sloot might have been trafficking underage girls to use as sex slaves, including two who are now missing and feared dead.

Shortly after his release from an Aruba prison for the disappearance of Natalee Holloway, Van der Sloot moved to Thailand under an assumed name, under cover as a college student, the Daily Beast reports.

However, his real reason for being there, it is alleged, was as the owner of DD Consulting, a “modeling agency” that was dedicated to finding young girls to strip in Dutch clubs, and work as prostitutes in the country.

He was given a $13,000 finders fee for each girl he brought over, a deal he had made through a friend that got him in touch with a pimp back in the Netherlands.

He was arrested, and then released once again, for the Holloway disappearance, and went back to Bangkok, where he started trafficking in earnest.

According to emails he sent friends, he bragged of dozens of girls who had been recruited as dancers, but would be sold as sex slaves and prostitutes once they reached Dutch soil.

He used the $13,000 fee a piece to invest in a coffee shop, called Sawadee Cup, an investment that earned him a great deal of money, while giving him a never ending pool of potential prostitutes to send home for more cash.

It was Peter R. De Vries, an investigative journalist who is well known for his work in exposing Van der Sloot, that led to hidden camera footage finding its way to police. In it, the despicable scumbag is sitting in a hotel with a great deal of underage girls, promising them “$15,000 to shake their ass”.

Two of the girls on the tape are now missing, and Van der Sloot is suspected in their disappearance, which may be related to the trafficking business he had been conducting.

It is people like this that really test my conviction against the death penalty.

Thank you, Anna.  I was just about to post the same. 

Thank You
I will let him know. Better safe then sorry.

Thanks Klaas! 

Two of the girls in that VID with Joran are missing?  That would be absolutely horrific if true.

Does anyone know anything about these sources?  Are they reliable.  We had something like this before but that guy of the de Virus tapes was not reliable.

At least Peru now has Joran's DNA on file and can share the info with any and all who need it to verify anything.

Joran does specialize is no body, no case after all.

Still going back to that same guy and his Youtube. 

Joran Van der Sloot, suspect in Holloway and Flores murders involved in Thai sex slave gang: tabloid

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world%20/2010/07/16/2010-07-16_joran_van_der_sloot_suspect_in_holloway_and_flores_murders_involved_in_thai_sex_.html#ixzz0tsEgndyt

Good afternoon Monkeys. I'm just saying hello, really, but will throw out the OPINION that the Thai + Joran stuff we're seeing isn't coming from anywhere reliable.

http://www.24ora.com/local-mainmenu-5/19815-casting-pa-comercial-pa-promove-turismo.html



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I suggest they use this

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Followed by this:

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Then this:

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Netherlands Consulate denies official translator in Peru, as the police claimed to question Van der Sloot.
Embassy supports Joran complaint

Money in the trial against Joran van der Sloot. THE FIRST had access to a document that the Embassy of Holland's attorney sent abroad, Maximum Highness, where the consulate states that do not have an official translator in Peru, which reinforces the accusation of being accused murderer of Stephany Flores because his confession was obtained through the participation of Dutchman Maurice Steins, who posed as an official translator.

Following confirmation of the nonexistence of a diplomatic embassy official Joran's legal defense sent a complaint to the extension of 48 Lima Criminal Provincial Prosecutor to investigate the Steins for the crime of usurpation of authority and false generic, which add to the accusations of abuse of authority, an offense of conspiracy to commit a crime and the crime of misrepresentation against the police Homicide Division of the Dirincri.

Furthermore, the expansion of Joran complaint indicates that the policemen who were conducting the interrogation misled him by indicating that Steins was an official translator, which adds to the fault is the absence of counsel because the lawyer who was This was imposed and merely a passive witness throughout the proceedings.

Diplomatic letter
The maximum of 12 July Highness sent a letter to the Netherlands Embassy, asking to be informed of the identity of the official translators they have in our land, which responds Embassy on 13 July (in document FIRST enclosed) that "the embassy of the Kingdom of the Netherlands does not have an official translator, document signed by Norma Johanson Casapía, consul attached.

http://www.diariolaprimeraperu.com/online/policial/embajada-respalda-denuncia-de-joran_66295.html

Document from Consulate

http://www.diariolaprimeraperu.com/online/images/2010/julio/16/p1.jpg

Hi All - congrats to Jen on the wonderful news!

This may have been posted already, I've been traveling with work again so can't keep up adequately.

It does state that officials in Thailand have requested a meeting with the Peruvian officials? This writer has been following Joran's case weekly?

http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2010-07-15/joran-van-der-sloots-sex-trade-accusations/?cid=hp:mainpromo6

Held in a Peruvian jail on murder charges, Joran van der Sloot is now also accused of trafficking underage Thai girls for sex—including two who have gone missing.

As Joran van der Sloot waits in a Peruvian jail to be tried for the murder of Stephany Flores, it increasingly appears that a highly disturbed young man was allowed to rampage freely for years.

New revelations indicate that the list of missing women linked to the 22-year-old Dutchman may grow even longer, all because Aruban police failed to imprison him five years ago. Not long after Van der Sloot narrowly escaped prosecution for the disappearance of American teen Natalee Holloway in Aruba on May 30, 2005, he headed home to Holland to finish his studies. He had served three months in Aruban jail after Holloway disappeared, but was released that September due to lack of evidence. Back in Holland, he took a few classes, but spent most of his time gambling in the casinos and smoking pot in coffee bars.

In Holland, he met up with an old friend who had just returned from Thailand with a string of exotic dancers. The friend was netting $13,000 in cash for each woman he brought into a Dutch prostitution ring. Van der Sloot, a born risk-taker, wanted in on the action, and his friend quickly set him up with the Dutch pimp....

(Excerpt) ...The scheme was going swimmingly until Van der Sloot’s chief nemesis, Dutch investigative journalist Peter R. De Vries, caught him on hidden camera with a hotel room full of underage women. Van der Sloot can be heard offering them “$15,000 to shake your ass.” The women, of course, would never see that money. A few months after De Vries’ exposé, Dutch authorities started investigating Van der Sloot for human trafficking but never charged him. Now, revelations that two young Thai sex workers who appear on that video are missing have prompted Thai police to open an investigation. They have officially requested access to Van der Sloot in Peru....

NOT SURE IF THIS IS REAL OR A JOKE

Dutch Blame van der Sloot For World Cup Loss

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The Netherlands team honors their national hero during the 2006 World Cup, a year before he's arrested and charged with murder

ROTTERDAM (CAP) - Still smarting from their recent World Cup loss to Spain, the Royal Netherlands Football Association (Koninklijke Nederlandse Voetbalbond) issued a statement today pinning the blame for their finals loss squarely on the shoulders of accused double murderer Joran van der Sloot.

According to Netherlands head coach Bert van Marwijk, van der Sloot was considered a "football prodigy," identified as early as the age of three as the future of football for that country. van Marwijk said it was Joran's prowess on the field that prompted the team to send him and his family to Aruba to allow him the opportunity to practice year-round.

"Our hope was that he would flower into the world's greatest striker," van Marwijk said through a translator. "We did not for a moment, however, consider that he would instead become the world's most infamous murderer since O.J. Simpson and Michael Jackson."

Officials at the International School of Aruba with whom CAP News spoke remembered Joran as quite the football player and very competitive. Teacher Patrica de Neve recalled times when Joran would be playing at recess and if a game wasn't going his way, he would simply punch the other children out.

"Not just push them aside or knock them down, mind you," said de Neve. "I'm talking rock 'em sock 'em, sleep till next week, lights the frick out style.

"I'm pretty sure he could have been a great footballer, but I definitely know he'd be awesome in a role that involves inflicting extreme violence on others," added de Neve. "We actually put that on his report card when he was 11. If only there was a job that allowed him to take advantage of that skill set."

The overwhelming feeling in the Dutch football community is that by focusing on things like clubbing, gambling, and killing young women instead of playing, van der Sloot has set the national program back at least 30 years.

"He would have been the most amazing player the world has ever seen," said Giovanni van Bronckhorst. "I saw him play in a club tournament once - he was only eight years old, but he was playing with boys in their late teens. I was like, Holy Schnibblets! This kid is going places! But he just never took it seriously.

"While the rest of us were out working our asses off, Joran was just goofing off," van Bronckhorst added. "Goofing off and killing people, I guess, but mostly just goofing off."

The Netherlands holds the record for most appearances in World Cup finals without a win, and the curse of Joran has left that nation's football players with a bad taste in their mouths.

"With Joran, we would have become the Yankees, but without him we're the Cubs," said Dutch forward Dirk Kuyt. "And now he's off in some swanky South American country-club prison, and we're stuck here with the shame of being losers.

"I swear to God, if I ever see him again, I'm really going to let him know how disappointed I am in him," added Kuyt. "For the football stuff, of course. The other stuff, eh - who really cares?"

http://www.crystalair.com/story.php?id=201007007

I think the Thai allegations are gaining momentum!! .................... and I really thuink they are true!

Foreign lawyers to defend alleged murderer Dutchman in Peru

 A team of foreign lawyers tried today to demonstrate to the Peruvian justice system that the Dutchman Joran van der Sloot is innocent of the murder of Peruvian Stephany Flores and has psychological problems.

Judicial sources said that although the Dutchman in 23 years confessed having committed the crime, appealed to the judiciary to deal released this process that is followed by simple murder and theft.

Lawyers paid by the family of the detainee refused and appealed the detention imprisonment imposed upon him by a civil court and that keeps him in the prison of Miguel Castro Castro maximum security.

Lima Superior Court will decide if legal and psychologically evaluated.

According to unofficial sources, Joe Tacopina, a former supporter of Michael Jackson on trial for child abuse, would be one of the lawyers who defend the Dutchman, who was expelled from Chile after having fled from Lima, where he committed the murder.

Van der Sloot confessed to police that Flores because this murderer to investigate his past in the Internet and reached into his computer, where they discovered his criminal record in Aruba, where he was accused of the disappearance and death of American Natalee Holloway.

The citizen Dutchman has refused to testify in court and filed an appeal against Colonel Miguel Canlla, whom he accused of having pressured to obtain information, which would have violated due process.

Anita Van del Sloot, mother of the alleged murderer of Stephany Flores told a Peruvian television station to help his son one last time.

`` I afford a lawyer, I will see you have a mattress and clean clothes.''

Claimed, before learning of the murder allegedly committed by his son in Lima received a call in which she said, `` Mama, they know who I am also here.''

`` I think Joran, because of all those traumatic experiences, has changed.

And it's really a psychiatric patient who needs help.

I was ready to send Joran to the clinic, "he said.

http://sdpnoticias.com/sdp/contenido/2010/07/15/4/1078993

If they say Peter R de Vries has reported that... well, he hasn't. If that were the case, it would be all over the Dutch media.  ::MonkeyCool::

And about Dutch people blaming Joran for losing the World Cup final... haha!
Not true either!
So yeah, a joke, and not even a good one.  ::MonkeyTongue::

They didn't say Peter R. de Vries, he said de Virus  ::MonkeyHaHa::

I blame th World Cup final on Joran too - bad karma  ::MonkeyCool::

Hi Monkeys!

The thing that makes it hard to know about the new Thailand allegations is that Joran is capable of doing exactly what has been reported here. If he didn't do it, it's just because the opportunity didn't present itself, IMO.

Hi Cee Bee Bee  ::dogwag::

ITA

I think that where there is smoke.... there's fire. :smt096

I have to agree CBB.

btw, your avatar is something else, you are so talented!

This all brings to mind Paulus and Joran as bookends at that poker table, was it a training session.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-20010834-504083.html

July 16, 2010 4:35 PM
Van der Sloot Being Investigated in Thailand for Participation in Sex Slave Gang, Disappearance of Girls, Says Report

NEW YORK (CBS) Joran van der Sloot reportedly can add Thailand to the list of countries that might like to see him behind bars indefinitely.

PICTURES: Van der Sloot Hotel Room Crime Scene
PICTURES: Joran van der Sloot

Thai officials are investigating the Netherlands native regarding his alleged involvement in a Thai sex slave gang and for the disappearance of a young woman he may have recruited for the gang, according to the National Inquirer.

After escaping charges for the disappearance of Natalee Holloway in 2008, van der Sloot allegedly fled to Bangkok and posed as "Murphy Jenkins," a production consultant for a modeling agency, reports the Enquirer.

Van der Sloot then did what he does best. He lied. He convinced the impressionable girls he was going to send them to Europe to become models.

Except several of the girls never achieved their modeling dreams, nor were they ever heard from again, says the tabloid.

PICTURES: Van der Sloot Hotel Room Crime Scene
PICTURES: Joran van der Sloot

"Girls who are approached by sex traffickers here often get killed, especially if they discover they are being tricked into prostitution and start to resist or threaten to go to the police," a Thai law enforcement official told the Enquirer. "Many of these girls have no legal documents. If they go missing, nobody notices. It's easy to kill them, hide the bodies and get away with it."

A source for CBS News spoke to Peru's Minister of Justice who confirmed that Thailand was pursuing criminal charges against van der Sloot.

Joran van der Sloot reportedly confessed to the murder of Stephany Flores - and then later recanted the confession to a Dutch newspaper. He remains in custody in Peru.

The 22-year-old remains the prime suspect in the disappearance of Holloway, who vanished in Aruba during a high school graduation trip. Despite van der Sloot having been arrested twice in the Holloway case, Aruban prosecutors say they do not have enough evidence to put him behind bars.

(snipped)

Well, there you go!!  There is the fire that Wreck spoke of.

So Thailand joins the line of those wanting to question Joran per CBS. 

I'm sure this is no surprise to most of us as we were wondering what Joran was doing all those years.

If they have DNA from any victims, I am sure PLE will share that with them but I wonder if Thailand will send someone to Peru to question Joran as that is pretty expensive especially when it is one of his infamous no body no case situations.

And we know he was on the beach, naked.  So he did have access to a burial at sea once again.

More blood on Aruba's hands. They will NEVER shed this infamy.

I hope the judge throws this out as well.  If the Dutch have no official translators, how could the police be expected to use one?  And evidently someone was sent because it was noted at the time that there was a translator present and something was said about that translator coming from the embassy even if not an "official" one.

Besides, Joran didn't seem to have any problems with Spanish in the first place and I am sure the fact that he has none now will be taken into consideration, also.

And no "translation" errors cxan account for all the lurid details he provided as to exactly how he did this crime against Stephany.  No way in hell that's some translation error!

What is he going to claim now, that he thought "grabbed her by the neck" meant asked if she wanted coffee or something?  "Held my shirt over her face" he thought meant offered to walk her back to her car?

I think Joran's lawyer just "showboats" for his client with all these silly objections as part of Joran's belief that he can obstruct and get away again.

Someone needs to tell Joran that he's not in Aruba any longer.  No one believes a thing he says anywhere else.

Yes and I wish the media would call him Aruban instead of Dutch.  At least Dutch-Aruban as I want Aruba to bear the brunt of what they did in refusing to prosecute Joran.

Now it comes to light that he may be responsible for the death of two in Thailand in addition to Stephany Flores in Peru--

ALL that at the hands of Aruba because Uncle Jan vd Straten couldn't "do this to my best friend's son" and Karin Janssen "couldn't think of any reason why the boys would lie" about the security guards.

Aruba is where the drugging and raping game was being played with impunity and even laughed about by the locals including LE Officer Dennis Jacobs to Dave Holloway, one of the victim's own father.

The thai authorities didnt do anything after the video was released, i think they wait and waist too much time!!!. it is unbelievable that after Stephany's murder....it  brought up more crimes from the young monster.

Agree, Cecilita.

Only Peter de Vries did anything to even try to stop Joran.  If he had not made those tapes, no one would have even had proof of what Joran was trying to do.

And even then, nothing was done about it.

Same as when Joran told Patrick about what he did with Natalee in the Range Rover.

Please, God, let it be differenet this time!  He kept getting away with it even with tapes and confessions.  No wonder Joran thinks he can get away with murder.  He likely has and more than once.

TRANSLATOR FROM THE DUTCH EMBASSY

Peru police give Van der Sloot murder case to prosecutors
The Associated Press
LIMA, Peru June 10, 2010 (AP)

Guardia denied any suggestion that Van der Sloot's confession was forced. He said a translator assigned by the Dutch Embassy was present, as was a state-appointed defense attorney.

http://abcnews.go.com/International/wirestory?id=10873420&page=4


ACCORDING TO PERUVIAN LAW

Van der Sloot charged with murder in PeruFrom Mayra Cuevas , CNN
June 17, 2010 9:28 p.m. EDT

Van der Sloot's lawyer, Maximo Alonso Altez Navarro, has said he plans to ask the judge in the case to strike down van der Sloot's confession because he was not properly represented when he was interrogated.

Canlla defended his department's interrogation and said van der Sloot's confession was acquired legally.

"The statement was done within all the requirements stipulated by Peruvian law," he said.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/06/11/peru.murder.case/index.html?hpt=T3

The Dutch Embassy does not employ an official translator.  There is a Board of Official Translators.

I don't know if the Embassy called for the translator or if the police called for the translator.
Either way, Maximum Highness is parsing words. IMO

Yesterday morning , the European coffee and breakfast bread. Meanwhile, homicide detectives awaited the arrival of the public defender and translator Maurice Steins , given by the Consortium of Legal Translators .

http://trome.pe/tonline/Html/2010-06-06/ontractualidad1093554.html

This is what I was thinking of.   It is a Consortium....not a board.

Does Thailand have caning?? Maybe, we should ship Joran there for a couple of days and then send him back to Peru!  ::MonkeyJustice::

I don't think I'd ever seen all of this in one place, so I thought others might be interested too.

IIRC the interview is from September 2005.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulrULzXb3L8



 ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyMad::

I could only watch about half of this before having to hurl.

I think Joran had help in Thailand, much like his help in Aruba.  They never did a thing to him for the trafficking and no telling what else he got away with there.  I'd be very surprised if they ever charge him with any crime.

JMO

Awwww come on now wreck....You need to watch the rest so you'll feel like knocking that smile off his lying face like I did.  You need to see him smile so big and say how he's never touched a girl in an aggressive way in his life!

 ::MonkeyWink::

 ::MonkeyMad:: :smt091 :smt096 :smt075 :smt067 :smt076 ::MonkeyMad::

He reminded me so much of his mother in that interview.  Disgusting!   ::MonkeyNoNo::

Excellent, Magnolia.  It certainly sounds as though PLE used the very best of translators available to them.  It isn't their fault the Dutch embassy does not provide an "official" one and this certainly seems that everything possible was done to insure the monster had no translation difficulties.

Which is all well and good especially since he speaks Spanish in the first place.

Joran had been in Peru functioning just fine alone and without any translator.  I believe he is doing so currently in Castro Castro so it is highly questionable if he even needed one in the first place.

Yes, this attorney does the same thing with parsing words that Joran does.  What a nice match they are.

And the Arubans are who taught Joran to do this.  Note they did not say the report cleared vd Straten and that he did nothing wrong at all--only that his conduct in the investigation was not dictated by his relationship with the Sloots.

This kind of behavior is clever in a five year old with no concept of the spirit of the law.  It's just dishonest in adults, however.  No wonder joran has no morals as he comes from a society that hasn't any.

I was just gonna say....put a Harpo Marx wig on him and he would look just like that lying Anita.

As always -- Aruba "whistles past the graveyard".  ::MonkeyRoll:: :smt116

I watched it all, TxMom.  Joran certainly thinks himself irresistible.  Fits in with his claims that women are after him in Peru as well.  Mostly a figment of his imagination.  

I just hope none are allowed to visit him as I'd hate for them to have an "accident" right there in the prison!  He might have to say they just had a spontaneous seizure or something.

And yes, the blaming of the victim was pure Anita theatrics.  Now I feel queasy.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

I agree with you Anna that Joran is ARUBAN - not Dutch. Did Joran ever even live in The Netherlands  before he was 18???????????????

He was born in Holland and they moved to Aruba when he was two, I think.
He knew nothing but Aruba.

Snakes are hatched.

I believe Joran murdered while he was in Thailand. I believe Joran murdered between the time after he killed Natalee and before he killed Stephany. He was so calm in the hotel video. He'd done it before.

Joran has ALL the earmarks of a serial killer ..... all the way back to killing family pets. He needs to be taken out.

He will be, Wreck, IMO, he will be!

He'll never kill another young girl. Peru has already seen to that. That much we have right now! Thank God!

Aruba has so, so, much blood on their hands.........   ::MonkeyNoNo::

Moving this post from an Articles Only-No Discussion thread to Natalee Holloway Discussion Thread #843.  MB
 ::MonkeyMad::  I'm disgusted to think how many more victims....

We had a patient at our hospital today who said she was a doctor and a lawyer and had a cure for AIDS, MS and cancer, and if we would let her go, she would give it to our hospital.  She indeed, had many documents signed by significant people in Washington including former presidents and the speaker of the house and the recently deceased oldest member of the Senate, apparently all forged.  I wonder if she and Jenna2 share a ward.

If memory serves, he was referred to as "loverboy" by his associates whose call sign is the only thing they can remember, the "middle finger sign."  I am sure if they were intelligent enough, they could do something else, but all seems lost in that generation of Aruban youngsters.  Small minds, small aspirations.

Oh, the see-through blouses spoke volumes about Christmas Past.

there goes that darn spellchecker again.

I have always believed the Greta tape was Paulus and Joran and that they were discussing selling Thai girls into the slave business, not Natalee.  If you go back and listen to that program the only thing mentioned was that selling women into the sex trade is illegal.  I think after Paulus' death, Joran spliced and dinked around with the tape in order to sell it to Greta, and make it sound as though he was talking about Natalee, but clearly there was no mention of what girl(s) they were discussing.  Go back, listen and think about this.  For sure, Joran is involved in selling and murder, for sure, for sure.

Good take!! I think you are on to something.



I guess the forum does not like us staying "logged-in" anymore. I get a "session timed out" message when trying to post.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Looking up in the "rafters"........... I really like your nickname "Judge Mental" !  ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyCool::

Wreck, I got that message yesterday too.  It was during a post and I took too long and it said my session timed out and I'd have to re-post.  It may have something to do with a setting.  I'll find out.

I got that meessage during a post too -- but this last message (happened last night AND this morning) said I had to "log-out" and then log back in to post.

Might have been bringing you over to the new DNS.  There is a script running that is moving everyone over little by little to the new web service for the forum. 

Okay -- we'll see!  ::MonkeyCool::

That is what I have been saying, CBB.  Once he had blood on his hands and got away with it, he never turned back, things only got worse.  The brutality he displayed with Stephany, to make her body look the way it did, was not even human.  She was only a small woman, an innocent girl, really.  What kind of creature does that?

If even what he said was true about what she saw on the computer (which I don't believe was the motivation), what kind of creature (cannot think of another word, animal is to good for him) can be so brutal?

That he killed her is horrible.  The brutal way in which he did it is beyond comprehension.  It is impossible to wrap your head around it.

Joran has been brutal all of his life, it is nothing new.  He needed help when he was a kid and never got it.  Now he was too old to institutionalize without his consent.  This was inevitable.  I wonder what led Anita to want to do it now.  Did he hit her or pummel one of his brothers and she could not stop him?  What happened in her sight that she chose this year to want to put him away?

Great Post from RU;

Cochi  PostPosted: Fri Jul 02, 2010 5:15 pm         

Re: there must be thousand os missing girls in thailand
Heli wrote:


Without a doubt.

if there's any argument about human rights...that is one. Very sad what happens to these young girls. to me, the animals that abuse them should not have any rights at all. Joran might be crying about his human rights to get him out of dire straits...what about Stephany's rights? What about the right to live? He took that..he knows he did...he wants to get off because he wasnt aprehended correctly? How can anyone forget or shun away the fact that he...only he...beat this girl to death? What about her rights? What is it that Joran has that trumps any other person's rights? Is he that attractive to some that no matter what he does, its ok? With that kind of charisma...he sure wasted it. It baffles me as to how he cannot do wrong when he does wrong.

That happens to me when I have not posted in a while and has for years.  If you hit refresh before you post, it will  not happen to you.

PS  Even if it tells you to sign in again, you do not have to, just refresh.

Does anyone know anything about this?;

"...Throughout 2009, Van der Sloot was spotted across the globe at various poker tournaments. He won $12,000 at the Asia Pacific Poker Tournament in Macau, where he reportedly assaulted a young woman after inviting her to his room following a night at a local casino. That young woman is filing an official complaint and cooperating with the Peruvian and Dutch authorities, a source tells The Daily Beast. Van der Sloot lived in Bangkok until his father died in February 2010 when he sold the Sawadee Cup café and returned to Aruba to be with his mother. Two months after his father’s death, Van der Sloot attempted to extort $250,000 from Natalee Holloway’s mother. He was formally indicted on that charge by a U.S. federal grand jury in late June..."

No.  Does it surprise me?  No.  Did other girls try to testify about the way he treated them?  Yes.  They were all squelched.

I agree Bearly that Joran was brutal all his life.  Paulus allowed Joran to get away with what he did.  They seem to think it was nothing and he would grow out of it.  He murdered Natalee and now murdered Stephany and I will say he murdered more.  Everyone believes Paulus was a quiet man.  He may have been a quiet man but he was a man with an explosive temper.  He blew up at Jug and his friends when they came to the house looking for Natalee.  He blew up at Tim Miller when Tim asked him if he could search his property.  And I believe he dropped dead on the tennis court arguing a call.  He has as bad of a temper as Joran but he knew how to keep it in check at certain times.  Joran has the same temper but only Joran showed his in a different way which was murder.  Joran enjoyed murdering people and putting the fear in people.  He felt it was power that people feared the psycho son.  Paulus put the fear in people in a different way (his connections Police/Judges).  Between him and Van der Straten they were bullying everyone on that island.

Someone posted that Joran beat his younger brother so bad when he was young he almost killed him.  Anita witnessed this.  Now with Paulus' out of the picture and the recent events I believe that Anita knows that Joran is capable of killing his other two brothers.  Joran wants money and he would do anything to get it and that is even killing his own family.

I also believe that Paulus beat Anita.  Look how Anita is acting.  She almost seems happy that her husband is gone.

I also always believed that Paulus was denied being a judge because something happened.  Someone found out something about Paulus.  This old perverted man was hanging out in a casino with his underage son trying to talk to young kids while his wife was out of town.

Paulus and Joran have the same evil looks on their face.

JMO.

I guess you "refresh" BEFORE you write your post -- otherwise you lose your post you just wrote.  ::MonkeyCool::

Nope, interesting they actually have someone filing a complaint.  Great news!

Yes -- good news, but why are Dutch authorities involved in something that happened at an "Asian" poker tournament and/or Peru?

Also, I want to re-iterate what Anna brought up lat night. I want all media to recognize that Joran is either "ARUBAN" or "Dutch-ARUBAN" in all accounts. ARUBA has blood on their hands. I want them to get their full credit!

Intresting that someone survived to file a complaint.

Ain't that the truth.  If this is true this girl is lucky.

The article in it's entirety:

http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2010-07-15/joran-van-der-sloots-sex-trade-accusations/2/


Van der Sloot's Sex-Trade Scheme
by Barbie Latza Nadeau
July 15, 2010 | 11:01pm

Held in a Peruvian jail on murder charges, Joran van der Sloot is now also accused of trafficking underage Thai girls for sex—including two who have gone missing.

As Joran van der Sloot waits in a Peruvian jail to be tried for the murder of Stephany Flores, it increasingly appears that a highly disturbed young man was allowed to rampage freely for years.

New revelations indicate that the list of missing women linked to the 22-year-old Dutchman may grow even longer, all because Aruban police failed to imprison him five years ago. Not long after Van der Sloot narrowly escaped prosecution for the disappearance of American teen Natalee Holloway in Aruba on May 30, 2005, he headed home to Holland to finish his studies. He had served three months in Aruban jail after Holloway disappeared, but was released that September due to lack of evidence. Back in Holland, he took a few classes, but spent most of his time gambling in the casinos and smoking pot in coffee bars.

He bragged to friends by email that he had recruited a dozen young Thai women who were on their way to Holland—each for a finder’s fee of $13,000.


Van der Sloot told his parents that he wanted to go to Thailand to study and make a fresh start in a country where no one would have ever heard of him or Natalee Holloway. But what he really wanted to do was cash in on the country’s lucrative sex trade. He enrolled in Rangsit University as a cover, got a student visa, and took on an assumed name. By day, he would play the role of a student. By night, he would be Murphy Jenkins, owner of DD Consulting, which he would describe as a modeling agency specializing in placing strippers in Holland’s better clubs. He even had business cards with a Dutch telephone number printed up.

But just before he was to leave for Thailand in November 2007, he was arrested again on suspicion of Holloway’s murder. This time Holloway’s father and his team of private investigators had come close to proving Van der Sloot’s involvement in her disappearance. Aruban authorities were sure that under the right circumstances, Van der Sloot would eventually confess. But just three weeks later, on December 7, 2007, they were foiled again. Under Aruban law, there just wasn’t enough evidence to keep the young man locked up. Van der Sloot was released again, and immediately took off for Bangkok.

Once in Thailand, he quickly entered the sex trade as a recruiter of young exotic dancers who would, unbeknownst to them, be sold as prostitutes instead. In just a few weeks, he bragged to friends by email that he had recruited a dozen young Thai women who were on their way to Holland—each for a finder’s fee of $13,000. Van der Sloot may be despicable, but he was shrewd with the money. He invested his earnings in the Sawadee Cup coffee bar, a popular haunt for the student crowds and an easy place to find new recruits for his growing sex-trafficking gig. He even posted a tour of the café on his YouTube page.

The scheme was going swimmingly until Van der Sloot’s chief nemesis, Dutch investigative journalist Peter R. De Vries, caught him on hidden camera with a hotel room full of underage women. Van der Sloot can be heard offering them “$15,000 to shake your ass.” The women, of course, would never see that money. A few months after De Vries’ exposé, Dutch authorities started investigating Van der Sloot for human trafficking but never charged him. Now, revelations that two young Thai sex workers who appear on that video are missing have prompted Thai police to open an investigation. They have officially requested access to Van der Sloot in Peru.

Throughout 2009, Van der Sloot was spotted across the globe at various poker tournaments. He won $12,000 at the Asia Pacific Poker Tournament in Macau, where he reportedly assaulted a young woman after inviting her to his room following a night at a local casino. That young woman is filing an official complaint and cooperating with the Peruvian and Dutch authorities, a source tells The Daily Beast. Van der Sloot lived in Bangkok until his father died in February 2010 when he sold the Sawadee Cup café and returned to Aruba to be with his mother. Two months after his father’s death, Van der Sloot attempted to extort $250,000 from Natalee Holloway’s mother. He was formally indicted on that charge by a U.S. federal grand jury in late June.

Authorities in Aruba will be questioning Van der Sloot in his Peruvian jail cell in August regarding new information they have received from Holloway’s father, who is again in Aruba with private investigators trying desperately to find his daughter. But even if the Arubans finally have enough evidence to pin Holloway’s murder to his growing rap sheet, they will have to get in line. They missed their chance to stop him not once, but twice. For the family of Stephany Flores—and, perhaps, the missing Thai women—that is an unforgivable mistake.

Barbie Latza Nadeau, author of the Beast Book Angel Face, about Amanda Knox, has reported from Italy for Newsweek magazine since 1997. She also writes for CNN Traveller, Budget Travel Magazine and Frommer's.

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Exactly, Wreck!  Aruba is getting a total free pass on all of this.  That won't do!  They are the ones who need the public to be aware of what happens to tourists on their flyspeck of an island.

ARUBAN is what Joran is or Dutch-ARUBAN if you want to designate further.



.

Is it just me?  or does this post say 7:00 pm??

    
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #843
« Reply #217 on: July 17, 2010, 07:00:14 PM »


Klaas's previous post???

It doesn't seem to like my new avatar I just made.  It keeps deleting it and replacing it with the infamous Red "X".  Hope I don't have to load it to photobucket to get it to stay.  I'm too lazy today.

My reply #220 is dated July 17, 2010 12:40:32

Anna's post #221 is dated July 17,2010 07:41:52


Do I have something set wrong?

 ::MonkeyEek::

I saw that yeserday too. My time was about 4pm and Klaas' post time was like 8 hours different.

Anna's post says 6:41 pm on mine!

Buckeye - I believe we are transitioning from one web service to another a little at a time.  I'd wait another 24 hours or so and see if the time is fixed for you.  By then everyone should be automatically converted over to the new web service/server.

There is a script running that is moving people over a little at a time.

This is the IP of the new server.  Try going to this address, log in and see how your time is looking.  Note, you will automatically be moved over to the new IP eventually anyway (according to Justen).

66.240.208.150

I hate to say this, but how do I go to an IP address??

Never mind...just copy and paste.

I have to stop for now.  I was already signed in, at the new IP.  My post is at both places and the times are screwy at both.  I will wait until the work is done and not worry that I did something weird.

Thanks

I've sent our tech guy an email with the problem but I think he's "off" for the weekend.

Thank you....and by the way, this post of yours, has the correct time.  :smt102

You could also go into your profile and see if your time is still set to the correct time:

The forum time is set to Central time, so in my case if I have -2 then my time is set correctly because I'm on the west coast and I'm 2 hours behind Central.

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub8/Time.jpg)

I'm assuming if you are on the east coast you would put in that field +1

Anyway, check and see if that field has an erroneous number in it.

I AM on Central Time -- my own time is fine!  ::MonkeyCool::

Joran van der Sloot filed formal charges (with video of the newest Highness)

Peru, July 17 (DiarioBuenaNueva) .- Through its new champion, Max Highness, Joran van der Sloot formalized the complaint against his first lawyer, Marina Romero, for allegedly not having advised well in his first interrogation, prompting adeclararse author Stephany Young murder of Flores.

Highness said that Romero does not have any documents proving that the defendant as counsel to the Netherlands, because it was chosen at random by the police

He further reported that Van der Sloot translator, Maurice Steins, was also reported to complicate the situation of the accused did not understand legal terms and not accredited by the Netherlands Embassy in Peru.

"FORCED DECLARATION"
It also blamed the police for allegedly forcing declaracióninicial FloresFlores Stephany's murderer ": http://elcomercio.pe/tag/147999/stephany-flores.

According to counsel, Joran "felt threatened, because police told him they were going to enter your head in a bucket of water and told him that if he signed the statement he would be deported immediately to their land, Aruba."

On the other hand, said that the accused is depressed by everything that happened and requested respect for their rights and a fair trial.

http://diariobuenanueva.com/joran-van-der-sloot-formalizo-denuncia/

(with video)

Van der Sloot complaint to his first lawyer and traductorEl Dutchman Joran van der Sloot's lawyer formally denounced Marina Romero, who assisted him during his first interrogation by the crime of the young Stephany Flores, occurred last May 30 and the translator Maurice Steins, who was present during interrogation. Maximum Highness, the current defense of Van der Sloot, counsel would have advised the young Dutchman or inducing him to confess to the crime. While Steins claimed not mastered complicated legal terms and the status of his client.

http://www.surtitulares.com/rss-all/item/11475-van-der-sloot-denuncia-a-su-primera-abogada-y-a-traductor

Joran also complains translator
NU.nl - hare 2 horas

AMSTERDAM - Joran van der Sloot has his lawyer and the translator was present during the interrogation and confession of the murder of Stephany Flores, officially indicted.
 
His new lawyer, Maximo Altez, the Peruvian television showed the indictment with the signature of Van der Sloot see.

Van der Sloot's lawyer, Marina Romero, was previously sued by her former client.



According Altez was never clear whom Romero Van der Sloot had been allocated. The police would have brought her there, while Van der Sloot, according to Peruvian law suite or pro-Deoadvocaat should have had.


No official translator

A letter from the Dutch embassy would appear that the translator, Maurice Stein, an official translator appointed by the embassy. According to some legal terminology Altez he would not control.

The police, according Altez the confession of the murder of Flores, on May 30 in a hotel in Lima, enforced. Van der Sloot was, according to his lawyer scared because police threatened to have his head under water level. Also, he promised that after his confession could go to Aruba.


Confession withdrawn

Van der Sloot, who is trapped in the heavily guarded Miguel Castro Castro prison in the Peruvian capital, has now withdrawn his confession. If convicted, he sees a prison sentence of between 15 and 35 years meet.

http://www.nu.nl/buitenland/2294811/joran-klaagt-vertaler.html

fwiw, I see the same thing you posted, Buckeye, and I believe I am logged into the new server....

I agree......always love to see that name  ::rhino::

Thanks 2NJ, wreck and Klaas.

Joran had the opportunity to tell the judge a brand new story, at his hearing.  I don't think the judge would have had a bucket of water in the room. I believe Joran kept quiet.

He, and his friends, are well schooled in technicalities.  I believe he has utilized those issues from day one.  They are just sooooo very clever.

Peru seems to have videotaped everything.  Parading him before the media, showed that he was not beat up.  He told a different story, in Chili....unless there was water in the transport vehicle or plane that kept him from thinking straight.  I hope his confession is on tape.

I don't like his Highness but I am enjoying his pleadings because I hope his bill takes Anita to the cleaners.  If he was my kid, I would cut him off until he said what happened to Natalee and I verified the info.  At that point, I'd send him a lawyer.  He would never get my support to continue his manipulative thought processes.

and yes, he was raised on Aruba.

 ::MonkeyCool::

Gee, poor little Joran was scared during his interrogation. Imagine how scared Stephany was as you were brutally beating that poor woman to death, you SOB.

Nicely said Buckeye.

Copy and paste it, but backspacing has gotten it back for me, even after refreshing.  Sorry you are having a problem Sir Wreck.  How are you feeling?  Have you given up the smokes for good?

To stop the Sloot fire, it will never happen.  Very very sad, this part at least was preventable, the criminal would still be in jail.

You both have that right.

Mags, I am so sorry you are missing your babies.  FWIW, I miss them too.  Sending prayers your way for future loving adventures.  We will be here for you when you need us.  Take care.

 ::dogwag:: ::dogwag:: ::dogwag:: ::dogwag:: ::dogwag:: ::dogwag:: ::dogwag:: ::dogwag:: ::dogwag:: ::dogwag::

Ya think?????

 ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad::


Thanks, Klaas, I am not shooting the messenger, only the creature and those who allowed it to freely terrorize.

We are in a time warp and Anna is running around nekkid.  I like this server so far.   ::MonkeyWink::

I'm feeling great -- walking every night (until this last week - when I ripped my toe nail off after stubbing the toe next to the "big" one -OUCH!  ::MonkeyShocked::).
Actually, I never smoked cigarettes -- just an occasional cigar (never inhaled! like Clinton  ::MonkeyWink::)
 ::MonkeyCool::

Holy burning toenail, Wreckman. 

It also depends on what the definition of is is.  I am glad you are well, that is all except for painful toes.

 ::CowboySmiley::

http://avdsart.com/biography.html

Biography

Anita van der Sloot Hugen was born in 1956 in the Netherlands.

She attended the “Hogeschool voor de Kunsten”, Academy of Fine Arts in Arnhem during the period 1974-1979 and graduated with a major in Art Education and a minor in Art History.

During her Masters she taught student college prep courses and adult painting classes at the Marienburg Academy in Arnhem and the “Vrije Acedemy” in Zevenaar, the Netherlands.

From 1979 till 1990 she taught full time middle and high school art at the Lorentz college in Arnhem which had an international department.

She took calligraphy classes with the famous Alexander Verberne and several theatre/scenery design classes . The last one with Joe Miklojcik in Access last year.

In 1990 she came to Aruba with her family.

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From left to right: Standing top row: Jacqueline Arends, Petra Boerboom, Bart Lens, Harold van Velzen, Ab Zijlstra, Bart Elling, Richard Koops, Mr. Haan, Edwin Erckens, John Rademakers, Robert van Doorn

2nd row standing: Els Meuldijk, Desiree Quick Burg, Corrie Kramer, Jacqueline Burke, Marietta Classen, Alex Hegeman, Martien de Bruyn

seated: Nancy Her Brink, Janet Hermans, Danielle Serdijn, Sander Grönloh, Michel van Dijk, Herman gnaws, Linda de Jager, Birgit Mayer, Helma van den Brenk, Monique?, Anita Hugen (art teacher)
Landscape: Erwin Meuleman

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Arnhem Blond (266)
June 24, 08:57
I came over from here, I am not in this picture, but many of my old classmates would ..

anita Hugen art teacher I had .. and that now it is the mother of Joran van der Sloot! I nevertheless seized, much to her

look what class pictures else you've

(for Carpe)  ::MonkeyCool::

(I'm sure most of you are scratching your heads!)  ::MonkeyQuestion::

San had "Austin Powers" in her class pic!  ::MonkeyWink::

http://www.avdsart.com/biography.html


ANITA VAN DER SLOOT - HUGEN
http://www.avdsart.com/biography.html
Biography

Anita van der Sloot Hugen was born in 1956 in the Netherlands.

She attended the “Hogeschool voor de Kunsten”, Academy of Fine Arts in Arnhem during the period 1974-1979 and graduated with a major in Art Education and a minor in Art History.

During her Masters she taught student college prep courses and adult painting classes at the Marienburg Academy in Arnhem and the “Vrije Acedemy” in Zevenaar, the Netherlands.

From 1979 till 1990 she taught full time middle and high school art at the Lorentz college in Arnhem which had an international department.

She took calligraphy classes with the famous Alexander Verberne and several theatre/scenery design classes . The last one with Joe Miklojcik in Access last year.

In 1990 she came to Aruba with her family.

After teaching adult classes at home, she became more and more involved with the International School of Aruba and was hired in 1991 for their Fine Arts department.

At the end of 2007, she attended glass bead workshops with Marian Abath in Aruba. This developed into a passion for glass and she now has her own small glass studio with her own equipment. Next to teaching, painting, mixed media techniques, altering books and working with glass, Anita keeps experimenting with new techniques and materials.

1979 Solo exhibition “ De Vrije Akademie” the Netherlands

1993 Solo exhibition “ ABN AMRO bank “ Aruba

2008 Solo exhibition “ Gallery Mar Azul” Aruba

Anita participated in several group exhibitions, designed costumes and sceneries for theatre and gave several workshops in Caracas and Valencia, Venezuela. The last demonstration she gave was at Paseo Herencia, Aruba in November 2008 where she showed the process of glass beading. Together with other artists she sold her glass jewelry as a fundraiser for the donkey Sanctuary and the Terrafuse foundation.


© 2008 Anita v. d. Sloot

Was this after or before she was a hooker?  ::MonkeyPeace::

Hint: Mr. Haan = Mr. Hand

Wreck, are you taking pain meds for your toe?   ::MonkeyDevil::

No, I'm naturally delirious! (Mr. Hand was the teacher in "Fast Times at Ridgemont High" - I knew most of you would never get it -- my apologies!)  ::MonkeyRoll:: ::hohohosanta::

 ::MonkeyConfused:: :gaah: :smt030 I swear I'm not drinking!

Humm. . . wondering the same thing myself.


.

Of course your're not!

Me, neither!

 ::monkeywine2:: ::monkeywine2:: ::monkeywine2::

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

I AM  ::MonkeyHaHa::

nice full bodied Cab! like my women.  ::MonkeyDevil::

TJ is gonna call the Thailand Attorney General this week, and we're gonna try to get some real answers on this missing / dead / traffic'd. I'll let you all know when if happens and if any result.

Hope you're well wreck - minus the toe!

we need a snubb'd toe monkey!

Oh, and while I'm thinking about it - Joran IS Aruban. Sure, he's a Dutch National, but he is Aruban.

Maybe some of you may remember when I spoke of my friend Danny who owned Surf Time in the Seaport mall. Well, he's Dutch too, and he was born in Holland and lived most of his life there. Danny's father is the OB / GYN who delivers all the 8th graders kids. (For Anna - they have the HIGHEST RATE of kids having kids in the Caribbean - I know you remember that), Well, Danny's dad moved to Aruba and Danny went too. He opened Surf Time. It's on the second floor next to Mambo Jambo. Well, it was the last time I was there in 05. Who knows now.

He carried XOXO and other really nice stuff from Brazil. So we always went there a few times while on Aruba. He would always give me 10% off, even if I didn't ask. XOXO bikinis are like 80 bucks, so ten percent was nice. We would always get together for some drinks at the Hyatt, and I still consider Danny a good friend even though I haven't spoke to him in a while.

When you are gone from Holland for 12 years and live in a Dutch Territory - you are considered part of that nation. Could be Saba, Bon Aire, or Aruba. Danny told me this wayyyy before Natalee went to Aruba. It was just general info for my knowledge.

Just like we can travel between any state in the US - they can travel anywhere in the kingdom also. But as for listing a permanent address - Paulus and Anita were ARUBAN in APPROXIMATELY 2002. It's just a legal denotation. Joran is Aruban, but a Dutch National.

Hope everyone is well!

last post til the kinks are worked out.  ::MonkeyHaHa:: Got timed out!  ::monkeywine2::

Was?

Hi Rob!  How did that bikini look on you?

 ::MonkeyWink::

spectacular!  ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

I lied, maybe another post or two. Cause I have missed you all. And iffin' I keep it short, maybe I won't get timed.

you need a nice body, and shapely for an xoxo - that spells ladies only!  ::MonkeyWink::

no banana hammocks here !  ::piggy::

My monkey blood only goes so far!  ::MonkeyDevil::

Hi Sleuth

 ::HelloKitty::

and Carpe!

The Miller Girl is looking very good.  ::piggy::
Its is a High Life  ::MonkeyDevil::

 ::MonkeyShocked::  And here I thought I was keeping such a low profile. 

I'm a voracious reader here and have been for quite some time.  Even feel I 'know' a few of you, sotaspeak.  Not much of a poster, though.  You all are so knowledgable about this case so I feel I don't have much to offer.  Except for my thanks for keeping the faith for Natalee's sake these past five years - and now for Stephany. 

Back to the rafters - carry on...

 

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Found a few of Valentijn but I didn't see Sebastian in any of the volunteer pictures... ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyDevil::

http://www.facebook.com/photos.php?id=199317501189

Aruba International Film Festival's Photos

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=4952981&id=199317501189

Red Carpet Rehearsal June 3, 2010

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Staff & Volunteers

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Here's Valentijn at work.
Added May 27

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Here's Valentijn at work on his laptop computer.
Added May 31

(I lightened this one)

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Added June 6

Hi Rob!   ::HelloKitty::

Thanks!  I hope TJ can get some facts!   ::CowboySmiley::

Getting Timed Out's not near as bad as the "Forbidden" screen from the other night...that one skeeeerd me!    ::MonkeyEek::

Hi Robbie :-)

What about the 2 Columbian girls???

That seems to have died out -- but I really think the Thai scenario is definitely in play.

ALL of it is Planted disinformation
Until I see a real report and charge I discount everything I read.. There is way too much misinformation in this case so far.
Says a whole lot for the media.. 

Yeah, agents from Thailand, Holland, Aruba, Columbia, Chile, and the US have nothing better to do than plant information to frame a Dutch kid. Joran is a regular James Bond.
heh.
whatever Edward. May I suggest a conspiracy site instead of a crime site for your interests.
Have a nice day.

It was confirmed a while ago that the only time Joran spent in Columbia was to change
planes.  He never left the airport.

cool. thanks.

Jul 17, 6:04 PM EDT
Dutch, Venezuelan diplomats discuss differences

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/L/LT_VENEZUELA_NETHERLANDS?SITE=1010WINS&SECTION=BUSINESS&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

CARACAS, Venezuela (AP) -- The foreign ministers of the Netherlands and Venezuela agreed to strengthen cooperation after President Hugo Chavez's government protested what it called violations of its airspace by a Dutch military aircraft, authorities said Saturday.

Dutch Foreign Minister Maxime Verhagen met with his Venezuelan counterpart, Nicolas Maduro, who called it a welcome opportunity to discuss "the differences we have and to be able to communicate more closely and build an agenda," the Venezuelan government said in a statement.

The self-governing Dutch islands of Aruba, Curacao and Bonaire lie off Venezuela's coast, and Chavez's government complained that a Dutch military aircraft violated its airspace three times earlier this month.

Chavez on Wednesday publicly questioned how long the Dutch islands off Venezuela's coast will remain part of the Netherlands and said he believes they will one day be independent.

Verhagen was accompanied by the leaders of Aruba and the Netherlands Antilles for the talks Friday night.

A joint government statement released by Venezuela said the foreign ministers reaffirmed a commitment to "absolute respect of territorial integrity and sovereignty."

It said they also agreed to study the possible construction of a natural-gas pipeline from Venezuela to Aruba, and expressed support for maintaining a cooperative relationship between Venezuela's state oil company and oil refineries in Aruba and Curacao.

I can't post this like TM can.  Maybe she will do a better job later, but I loved it!

From Facebook:

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Does he have anything to hide?  Why worry about a few Monkeys  ::MonkeyDevil::

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You did just fine Magnolia!   ::MonkeyKiss:: ::CowboySmiley::

Anthony looks a little different than he did the last time I saw him!   ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyDevil::

He was the lovely boat last time I looked!  I thought he was gone to Chicago. ::MonkeyDevil::

Thanks Klaas!!  ::HelloKitty::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_wFEB4Oxlo

for you TM  ::MonkeyAngel::

Uh, like only your every move, fat boy! Not only on FB, either.

Did you just get the memo? ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::HelloKitty::

Welcome to the Biggity Big Show! A Scared Monkey is kinda like Visa...

We're everywhere you want to be. ::MonkeyTongue::

Since I have been really missing Kermit, and I just know that someday we will find Natalee,
I am bringing this over. ::MonkeyAngel::

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jSFLZ-MzIhM&feature=related

And his Mama too!! ::MonkeyTongue::

Sebastian -

We'll go away when we get Natalee back. It really is that simple.

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So throw your hands up in the air.... and shake 'em like you just don't carrrrrrrre!!!!

See your momma do it? ::monkeywine2:: LOL

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 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Thanks Rob!   ::MonkeyKiss::

Every Move You Make, Every Breath You Take, We'll be Watching You



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TH_YbBHVF4g&feature=related

Without a doubt!    ::MonkeyDance::

 ::MonkeyShovel::

Hahahaha!  Did the big dope really think we would just forget about Natalee and go away?

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

Not a chance in hell, Poppin Fresh!  Tell your monster brother to tell the truth for once in his miserable like and give her back.

Until then, yeah, you can count on it that we'll be watching that hellhole island and especially those who enabled and allowed Bubba Joran to get away with this.  If you get caught up in all that, well too damned bad.  That's what happens when you are the brother of an international murderer and your parents are notorious liars.

I've been missing Kermit too!  Thanks Magnolia!   ::MonkeyKiss::

And that's one of my all time favorite Kermit songs...   ::MonkeyAngel::

Sebastian would be about the age Matt was when his brother made Natalee disappear.  I think he deserves the same amount of consideration the Sloots gave Matt in all this--NONE!

It could have been that he was paying them back for their loyalties.  What if they were involved in the Amsterdam sex trade from which all would profit and Joran was the liaison.  Just sayin'.

Rudy is not Dutch. 

 ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyDevil::



stickfigures300 | October 26, 2008
well this is our entry for the boxman president dance contest..made in aruba cus we live there..and VIVA LA BOXMAN
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Aawww, my eyes!

Hideous!  Just hideous!

I love that armed camo Monkey. ::MonkeyDance::

Me too!   ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::

HT Carpe

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Would be a nice avatar for carpe.

You know why Poppin' Fresh isn't at the front of the Conga line? .......cause the bow would tip into
the water. ::MonkeyDance::
i

Tylergal,
I've never known what Rudy Croes was.  He has that Aruban last name and his brother or uncle supposed to the the great Aruban liberator but Rudy is white as a 3 day old corpse and has that Dutch beard going on.

I have no idea what he might be.

Anyone remember if he was born in Aruba?  I'm sure he has been there for more than 12 years.  But they are still calling Joran Dutch in the press which is really annoying.  ARUBA needs to own their favorite son Joran.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::  @ Magnolia--So true!  Would tilt the entire front of the boat into the water.

Magnolia!   ::MonkeyDevil::

God sometimes does try to the uttermost those whom he wishes to bless.
Mohandas Gandhi


 ::MonkeyAngel::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Sebastian

Why don't you register and give us your opinions?

Good Morning Monkeys

San, I read your comments yesterday on Paulus vd Sloot and wanted to tell you that I found them very insightful and interesting.

Now I don't know which lousy parent was the more in charge but neither had any parenting skills whatsoever.

They have to be one of the worst ever cases of denial and that goes for that whole cover up deal.  Island of Denial. 

And now their native son has killed again and this time ti was totally preventable if only Aruba had done the right thing.  They REFUSED to collect evidence then said they couldn't prosecute because there was no evidence.

There is ALWAYS evidence if collected in a timely manner.  They just refused.  And that made Joran think he could commit the pefect crime.  Bet he still does and it hasn't dawned on his dull normal intelligence that without the help of an entire island, he wouldn't have gotten away with it in the first place.



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I agree Anna.

Is there anything funny about Joran van der Sloot?

http://www.cbs42.com/content/localnews/story/Is-there-anything-funny-about-Joran-van-der-Sloot/VyeNA4RTrU2c7yFaX6o3Cw.cspx?rss=1659

Birmingham, Al   (WIAT)  Is Joran van der Sloot and his world wide disrepute funny?  You'd have a hard time making that case to the family and friends of Mountain Brook teen Natalee Holloway who disappeared on a graduation trip to Aruba five years ago.  The prime suspect in the case...Joran van der Sloot.  Natalee was last seen with van der Sloot but he has never been charged despite being questioned several times by Aruban authorities.

And neither Peruvian police or the grieving family of murdered student Stephany Flores....found dead in van der Sloot's Lima, Peru hotel room....are likely to find any humor in van der Sloot.

Certainly van der Sloot himself....sitting in a cell in Peru's infamous, dangerous Castro Castro prison....isn't likely to be laughing much.

So what to make of the following headline?  Dutch Blame van der Sloot For World Cup Loss  

It's from the website Cap News sitting atop a "satire" of how the Dutch are blaming their world cup loss to Spain on van der Sloot's unavailability to play for his home nation.  Here's a sample.

ROTTERDAM (CAP) - Still smarting from their recent World Cup loss to Spain, the Royal Netherlands Football Association (Koninklijke Nederlandse Voetbalbond) issued a statement today pinning the blame for their finals loss squarely on the shoulders of accused double murderer Joran van der Sloot.

According to Netherlands head coach Bert van Marwijk, van der Sloot was considered a "football prodigy," identified as early as the age of three as the future of football for that country. van Marwijk said it was Joran's prowess on the field that prompted the team to send him and his family to Aruba to allow him the opportunity to practice year-round.

"Our hope was that he would flower into the world's greatest striker," van Marwijk said through a translator. "We did not for a moment, however, consider that he would instead become the world's most infamous murderer since O.J. Simpson and Michael Jackson."

Good morning Monkeys,
Did PLE release the sketch of the room were stephany was killed? Joran told to Chilean authorities that two guys were waiting for them in his room one of them was on his bed and the other one was in the bathroom and he block the entry door. I saw the videos  where the employee open the door and continue walking looking at his room (like he saw something bad)... I am asking because some people start talking about some kind of involment with stephany's father and the political mafia in Peru ex-president fujimori and vladimiro montesino.

 ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyDevil::

Carpe, all I have to say is "PRICELESS".  I love that Monkey in his army fatigues!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Your best yet. 

Ok so two men were waiting for him and attack them and Joran goes out to get coffee and brings it back? Why didn't he bring back 3 or 4 cups for everyone? There's a little flaw in that story me thinks.
No matter who Stephany's father was involved with it had nothing to do with Joran killing Stephany. In her fathers position he dealt with alot of corruption, that doesn't mean Joran is innocent.

Blue Moon - Thanks, I'd love to take credit it for it... but I can't. It was on thedirty dot com.

I've been a very bad boy. ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyDevil::

That's quite alright Carpe!   ::MonkeyKiss:: ::monkeywine2::

The first people I saw talking about political mafia was at RU and it was Jenna.  That's why I say if you want to know which line of defense Joran's attorney is going to use next, go no further than Jenna2 at RU.

JORAN MURDERED NATALEE AND JORAN MURDERED STEPHANY.  How many others we don't know.

AMEN!

Relative?  Coincidence?   ::MonkeyShovel::

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17/06/2010 GGNet Doetinchem - Symposium 'No panic'

Thursday, June 17, 2010, 14.00 - 17.30, Church Centre De Wingerd De Bongerd 4, 7006 NJ Doetinchem

On Thursday June 17 organizes GGNet region Doetinchem Section Short-term care, the symposium

"Do not Panic, Prevention and early intervention for mental illness'

Speakers include: Prof. Dr. P. Cuijpers (Free University), Professor. Dr. T. van Balkom (VU-MC and GGzinGeest), Dr. P. Meulen Beek (GGNet) and Dr. CA van Boeijen (GGNet). The symposium is intended to include general practitioners, psychologists, psychiatrists, other professionals in primary care and staff GGNet.
Dr. AC (Bert) Molewijk), ethicist / program manager Moral Reflection GGNet / VUmc will be leading the discussion and Drs JJM (Hans) Hugen, medical director, will provide the introduction.

Date: June 17, 2010
Time: 14.00 - 17.30
Place: The Religious Centre Wingerd, The Bongerd 4, 7006 NJ Doetinchem
Free parking - also with good public transport (± 200 meters walking distance from Station Doetinchem de Huet)

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From 13.30 hours, the Walk, the program starts at 14.00 hours.

Sign up and more information
Registration for the symposium through the Office of Professional training GGNet, e-mail: @ bureau.bijennascholing ggnet.nl. There is a maximum of 250 places available. The cost of the symposium is € 50 - (free for GGNet staff).

Accreditation is requested with the following associations:
• VGCt
• FGzP neuropsychologists
• FGzP clinical psychologists
• NVVP
• NVRG
• Accreditation Board Cluster 1 (GPs)

Also visit the website www.cursusgeenpaniek.nl for information about the course 'Do not panic'.
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• Medical staff
Regional staff Zutphen / Warnsveld: Chairman Dorine Postma
Regional staff Achterhoek: President Hans Hugen
Regional staff Apeldoorn: President Nails and Sigrid Renate Hulshof
President Medical Staff GGNet: Nails and Sigrid Renate Hulshof
Secretary Medical Staff: Will Koster

• College of Medical Directors
Apeldoorn Region: Peter de Vries (wnd. Dell Otto Mann)
Doetinchem region: Hans Hugen (wnd. André van den Ende)
Region Brengwal: André van den Ende (wnd. Hans Hugen)
Zevenaar region, ad interim: André van den Ende (wnd. Hans Hugen)
Region Zutphen / Warnsveld: Dell Otto Mann (wnd. Peter de Vries)
CGD President: Kees Lemke
Secretariat CGD: Aline Korff
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Doetinchem proximity to Arnhem...

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Psychiatry

Mental Health

Brief Introduction
The specialists
Create Event
Policlinic
Investigate
Training
Scientific research
[ All specialties ]

Brief Introduction

The Department of Psychiatry since 2002 falls under GGNet Network (mental health). GGNet arose from a merger between institutions in the Achterhoek, Apeldoorn and Zutphen, including psychiatric wards (psychiatric) hospitals from April.

GGNet helps and supports people with mental, psychological or psychiatric problems. The Department of Psychiatry at the Hospital Slingeland consists of an outpatient clinic, day clinic and a clinic. GGNet, doetinchem location, situated in the regional health center (RGC).


The specialists

In GGNet employs six psychiatrists of whom four (extremely) are members of the medical staff of the Hospital Slingeland.

Psychiatrists Berbee, Ghent, Hugen and Keegstra do next inpatient and outpatient consultations in the hospital also work in other departments.

Mrs. HCM Berbee, psychiatrist (associate member medical staff)
Areas: depressive disorders, personality disorders, psychotherapy.
Dr. EM van Gent, neuropsychiatrist (associate member medical staff)
Areas: research, neuropsychiatry and affective disorders.
JJM Hugen, psychiatrist, medical director (medical staff associate members).
Areas: research and diagnosis of new patients, consultative and liaison psychiatry, psychiatric care in primary care, anxiety.
HJ Keegstra, psychiatrist (associate member medical staff)
Areas: first psychoses and affective disorders (particularly medical staff member).
BMJ Hogenboom, psychiatrist.
Areas: general psychiatry.
Mrs. A. Withaar, psychiatrist.
Areas: gender specific care.

Create Event

If you want to make a first appointment to that referred to your GP
telephone (0314) 37 67 00.

You can also register at the desk of Psychiatry outpatient clinic between 08.30 and 12.30 and between 13.15 hours and 17.00 hours. After registration you will be invited for an initial interview in writing to the complaints mapping. Any additional research is agreed. Then it is agreed what treatment you can follow and who is your therapist.

For any further appointments you make an appointment at the desk or by phone: (0314) 37 1967 1900 on weekdays between 08.30 hours and 12.30 hours and between 13.15 and 17.00 calls.

If you are unable to attend an appointment, we ask you to contact Ggnet time to take so that someone else can come in your place.

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Policlinic

At the first visit to the outpatient clinic of Psychiatry GGNet please bring your referral. To log in before you sits in the waiting, the first secretary. Specifies the referral from your doctor away. The specialist will pick you up from the waiting area.

Investigate

If you see reason to specialist, will place further investigation.
These may include:

Laboratory examination of blood
Psychological research
X-ray examination
Details and explanations about these surveys you receive both orally and in writing. For many studies (in particular X-ray) must be a separate appointment. You can use the secretary's right, you this is helpful. X-ray examinations will be held at the Department of Radiology .

Exploring your blood is often done to determine proper dosage of medication and sometimes the side effects of medications to determine.

Psychological research is done by a psychologist .

Training

There are doctors in training (HAIO's) of the Radboud University of Nijmegen attended the outpatient Psychiatry and the nursing department. These are qualified doctors under the supervision and responsibility of psychiatrists working in the hospital.

Scientific research

The Department of Psychiatry conducts scientific research into manic depressive disorder, light therapy and medication.

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4.3.1. The appellant brought in medical information forms for the Council do not raise to the set of assurance by the (mental) capacity. The Council notes in this regard that in the expert report indicating that it is not possible is a clear psychiatric diagnosis, but that probably there is an appellant adjustment disorder without severe restrictions. For a clear diagnosis should have a thorough and extensive investigation by a hospitalization or intensive home monitoring to take place. Appellant is then required to include in the Slingeland hospital, but decided the same night back home. The time treating psychiatrist JJM Hugen has indicated that the appellant several times during the day treatment did not show up, so a good observation and diagnosis does not occur. The drafting of assurance at the FML the survey as a basis and restrictions on the personal and social functioning adopted.

Van der Sloot denounce expulsion to Chile

Defense says Dutchman was handed over to Peruvian authorities irregularly. They also reported a public defender and translator who supported confession. Dutchman's defense CompartirEnviar.La Joran van der Sloot, the confessed murderer of the young Peruvian Stephany Flores, made clear that it will exhaust all strategies to release from confinement. Yesterday it was confirmed that foreign lawyers would have planned criminal-defense as part of "Bury the Chilean government had handed over to Peru to the Netherlands on 3 June. The lawyers regarded the decision to expel Van der Sloot of its territory as arbitrary and illegal.
Highness Max Navarro, who is part of the group of foreign lawyers, said the Dutchman lawyer Bert de Rooij, who heads the advisory group, and another supporter of Van der Sloot accuse the government of the neighboring country for having "unlawfully expelled from their sponsored rather than extradite him. "

HH reported that De Rooij was in Peru last week to coordinate strategy with him to follow in the judicial process. Then he traveled to Chile to get information about the process that followed the authorities of that country before handing over Van der Sloot to the Peruvian police.

MORE CLAIMS. On the other hand, Highness officially to the prosecutor's misrepresentation complaint against his colleague and translator Marina Romero Dutchman Maurice Steins.

According to counsel, neither was officially accredited to participate in the interrogation of Van der Sloot.

Highness said that Romero is not registered with the Ministry of Justice as a lawyer by trade. It also announced that the Netherlands embassy has denied that the interpreter was Maurice Steins official translator of the government.

"Joran felt threatened. Police said he would introduce his head in a bucket of water. But, if he signed such a declaration accepting the murderer, he would be deported immediately to Aruba, "he added.

The defense said the Dutchman will insist on seeking the annulment of his confession.

http://peru21.pe/impresa/noticia/van-der-sloot-denunciara-chile-expulsarlo/2010-07-18/280278

Legal confession or not (I think it WAS legal) -- the Prosecution DOESN'T NEED his confession to convict him.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Joran has been setting up the defense for all his crimes for a very long time now.

His mental illness would prevent him from being (properly) punished for all his crimes, so why not extort money from the grieving mother of one of his victims?  Murdering another girl on the anniversary of that crime would just prove to everyone how sick he really is!

And his mother is playing along perfectly.  Maybe she should have been an actress, although her performances so far haven't been convincing in the least to those of us who KNOW better; she certainly isn't an artist.   ::MonkeyRoll::

They make me sick and they'd better not get away with it!   ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyMad::

JMO

ATTENTION!
ATTENTION!
Aruban authorities failed to charge him is the disappearance of 18-year-old Alabama high school student Natalee Holloway. Although arrested twice, Van Der Sloot was released both times due to lack of evidence.

We need to start correcting the media when they write Joran was not charged because of "lack of evidence" with Natalee.

The media should be writing: "because no body was found".  In Aruba, no body equals no case.

Greetings all!

I am way behind, as usual, but wouldn't it be something if it turns out Joran was involved in his human trafficking with Anita instead of Paulus   ::MonkeyEek::.

  HUH??  ::MonkeyEek:: Anita a hooker?  ::MonkeyShocked::

Been TRYING to play catch up the last few days.. here and poor little Kyrons thread..  ::MonkeyAngel::

Funny to see Sebastian VDS reads this forum.  The dude he posted to,., isnt he the one who told this little boy about getting a BJ???  OR something like that?

I am not gonna pick on the little one... IMO he cant help it his brother is a big peice of shit.. I have seen his videos on youtube long ago and thought they were OFF THE WALL.. SEBAS> I sure hope you DO NOT follow in your older brothers footsteps. IMO the ONLY one to seem like he has a DECENT head on his shoulders is your brother VAL.   IMO !  
   Sebas. Videos are not up anymore.. havn't been .. least the ones I have viewed long ago.  
  Too the little.. youngest Vandersloot.. is there ANYTHING you know or have heard about Nats case over the last 5 years?  Were you the one your older brother beat the living shit out of??

JOIN SM.. talk to us ~!!  

<I better not get flamed.. I am trying to be nice..lol>

What is the name of the tourism website on which Natalee's disappearance was first posted and who was the lady who posted there, and was it not ArubaGirl who was, at that point in time, playing defense for Aruba on the tourism website.

Angie, you are being nice.

Anna, I thought Rudy looked pretty Irish and guessed that he arrived in Aruba via the NL, but was told he is Aruban.  I agree with the fuzzy red beard being strange, but then I was told by my Mexican orthopod that I looked like a high-class Mexican blond.   Go figure.

Welcome NFler!

Welcome NFLer.

Welcome, NFLer! 

Note:  We know you posted sometime within the hour, although it says you posted early tomorrow morning.   ::MonkeyWink::   New server transition going on here.

Taking the Money and Running

A few days after the February 2008 broadcast of the hidden-camera video of van der Sloot's latest version of Holloway's disappearance, van der Sloot reportedly checked into a mental health facility in Germany for a few days' evaluation. However, he did not remain long enough for any kind of treatment. His stay there was seen by some as a ruse to make it seem that he was mentally ill when in fact he was perfectly in control of his acts.

http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/notorious_murders/classics/joran_van_der_sloot/6.html

I agree Val SEEMS to be different, but I'm not so sure he is.  I think he may just hide it better.

JMO

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Even though this and other pics like it were all part of just goofing off, the pics are creepy and Val put the pics in an album on his FB page.  Natalie van Hamburg is a long time friend and one time girlfriend of Val and you see what her comment was.  Just sayin'.

Exactly!  Thanks Buckeye!   ::MonkeyCool::

After Stephany's murder, Joran had contacted Bert de Rooij.  I am sure that Bert told him to head to the Netherland's Embassy in Chili.  They could have fought Peru for his extradition but Chili was pretty clever.  They did not arrest Joran they only expelled him from their country.  No extradition needed.

Maurice Steins has the initials CEN, under his signature.  Translators can be certified by the latest European translator standard which is CEN.  The old standard was ISO.  I have no idea if  the CEN, under his name, indicates his certification.

Was that "Hugen" clinic close to the German boarder?


They should be scared of Val.  He was there.  

Yes, I think it's very close to the German border.

Now the times on my posts have gone wacky!   ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyConfused::

Buckeye's last post says 3:39pm and my last post says 11:11pm

I know I didn't look at the map that long!   ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

I don't believe Joran went to ANY mental facility or Anita would have been saying so all over the place.

If this is a relative, I wonder if they are trying to make a fake case for Joran's insanity.

Right/Wrong is the usual standard for legal insanity and flight especially with dying his hair orange is clear indication of knowing he had done wrong and was trying to escape.

End of discussion!

IMO

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I believe Joran entered Chile illegally since there was an Interpol warrant for his arrest at the time for extortion.

So they have the right to expell someone who entered illegally same as any other country.

Of course, Joran is always so special and the rules never apply to him.  Keep teaching him that, Anita.  It's worked out so well so far, right?

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Here you go, Val. See that thing poking out of the orange ring with the cereal bowl haircut on it? Hit it dead on and I will send you a fuzzy stuffed bunny!  ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyBike::

I think a good Van der sloot is like a good Nazi? It just doesn't exist. Not with this VDS branch anyway. ...but hope springs eternal.


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I've reported the wacky post problem but like I said, tech guy gone for the weekend.   ::MonkeyNoNo::  Thankfully the site hasn't gone down this weekend so getting the web services over to the new server was the key. 

I guess Anita didn't tell Sebastian that his published activities on the internet were subject to scrutiny by anyone.

And you know she, Anita, knew as her bff Jan Bremmer or however she spells her name would have told her.  Or Julia or any of the others who read everything posted here.

I think that Val packin' heat shot is either photoshop or him just fartin' around.

Any reputable range would have had safety glasses and ear plugs on him.

Also - to be so stupid as to post something like that on your FB...

it is a statement.

Thanks Klaas.  The times seem right on my posts since then.  

The time on the post doesn't really matter, I'm just glad the forum is up and running!    ::MonkeyDance::

Yes, it's very offensive considering his family is involved in a suspected murder and disappearance.

I mean, imagine the outrage if Jug Twitty or Dave Holloway went around putting photos of themselves on the internet in such poses!

It would be interpreted as a direct threat!  So that's how I see this one.

Really, Sebastian, tell all you know so Natalee can rest in peace. Imagine what you can do with $200,000 bucks. Am sure Beth can arrange it so your Mommy can't touch it.

You would think he would know better posting a picture like that. His brother is a known murderer and he is goofing off posting stuff like that.  It's not funny and it shows you the mentality of the Sloot family.  They don't care.

I feel sure it was some kind of class (Emerson) related activity.  They were onsite somewhere filming/photographing scenes for a movie I think.  One picture is of a guy with what looks like a bullet hole in his back so someone obviously gets shot with the gun in the story.  So yes, he was goofing around and a couple other guys posed for pics with the gun too.  But it doesn't make it any less creepy for me and especially the fact that he posted them for all his FB friends to see!  I agree...it is a statement.

And I agree with San too!   ::MonkeyCool::