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Ok let me bring the artice that I am talking about to this thread.

Right who to believe and why in the hell lie in the first place? Either he was with this dad, at boyscout camp or was spending the weekend with mom. Tarver is saying he was there the day after Kyron went missing, by then the family was saying James was at boyscout camp. Perhaps Tarver didn't know James was at camp? But you would think that would come up in a conversation and at this point be cleared up. He is living with Tarver right? Tarver is making it sound like James is at the grandparents home, so which is correct? Ok something is going on here, do you agree?

I agree, and am I wrong?  Wasn't it the grandma, Terri's mother who said James was at the boyscout camp with his dad?

http://www.koinlocal6.com/content/news/topstories/story/Motion-filed-to-unseal-restraining-order/Dz4uMChK60KCWjy3W5FG4Q.cspx

   Motion to unseal Kaine Horman restraining order against Terri Moulton Horman (349.6KB)
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OS

Thanks, OS.

I hope they remain sealed. In this case. For now.

So James went on June 5 for a pre-planned visit. (The day after Kyron went missing.)

Why would that preclude him from being on a camping trip prior to that?

Am I missing something?

So James went on June 5 for a pre-planned visit. (The day after Kyron went missing.)

Why would that preclude him from being on a camping trip prior to that?

Am I missing something?

Afternnon all. And thanks for bringing over the Tarver article. So Terri did cheat on her first husband according to him. Well, people are human and I'm not surprised. It happens.

I think I could see this case going either way - Terri did it / Terri didn't. Still on the fence. Cheating and a DUI doesn't translate to killing a lil boy. It does show her character and the DUI could have been a mistake. Lowering the blood alcohol level to .08 where I live has made a easier to get a DUI. I'm not excusing it - people get killed afterall. However, it does stop a person from having a second glass of champagne at a wedding. Habitual drunken drivers don't care what the blood alcohol level is - it's disregarded and they often have a .25 to a .35. They just don't care. These folks sometimes rack up 4-5-6-7 DUIs before they kill someone - and then it can happen on the first DUI. The point is - one DUI CAN be a mistake. 4-5-6-7 are no mistake.

As for Terri, I hope she gets an attorney. I'm big on constitutional rights also. They are given from God and I can't help but feel that some of her rights were denied due process.

As for a motive, I can't think of one. And how would a middle aged woman that has raised this lil boy kill him. I can't think with a handgun, or a knife - it's just too brutal. She would have to be so detached and deranged to do something like that. I don't know Terri, but I have seen her on video and she appears mousie. To plan and execute this school house abduction would prove sanity, and I am having a hard time thinking she could be so cold blooded to kill a lil boy she treated as her own son.

About her own son. Well, if it were my wife or my child - I would pick my child. I'm saying that if this was a second marriage. I know not everyone thinks or feels the same and Terri didn't have a job or a home of her own and that may have gone into her thought process. I would have moved back home with my parents if that was an option. I would not ask my son or daughter to leave, but that's just me.

I guess no matter what happened before this all happened - meaning her life - I still have a hard time thinking she planned and executed a diabolical abduction scheme to kill her step-son. I know there are the Melissa Huckabys of the world - but this is different in my opinion. This is a child she helped raise - what could possibly be her motive other than striking out in anger at Kaine? Kyron can not be the target of her anger if this is indeed what has occurred. Get evenism is all I can fathom. I don't think you need a huge diabolical abduction scheme to get even.

Wyks, et al...

Well... Only thing I'm coming up with is the link to Seamus O Riley, re the 'in parte' thing.. Is that the one you are referring to?  If not, plz give me another clue.  lol

I am not sure what the original inquiry was, but are you sure the term is "in parte" rather than "ex parte"? 

An ex parte hearing is one held with only one party (usually the plaintiff) present.  The defendent has not been served or advised that the hearing will be taking place.  This is usually the case when CPS goes in and takes possession of children.  They conduct an ex parte hearing before a judge presenting the pertinent facts/reasons for taking the children, and if the judge agrees he will issue the orders allowing CPS to take the children. 

Generally in order for a hearing to be legal, both parties must have been given notice; an ex parte hearing is an exception to the rule.

O/T - we will be experiencing more traffic because it was just announced over on Gretawire that Joran van der Sloot will be indicted TODAY in the US, Alabama for Extortion and Fraud. 

with the server experiencing high traffic some posts get lost.

Here's what I do. Copy before hitting post.

You simply right click your highlighted area and hit copy. I know most of us know that, but new folks join here all the time and are not as computer savvy.

The other trick - if you have forgotten that first step - is to hit your back button on your browser. You post will be there. Highlight and copy and hit back again.

That will take you back to the page where you started your post. Hit refresh or F5 and make sure that the server is operational and you are connected.

Hit the post button again and paste your original post in the box and hit post.

I know it's frustrating when you make a long post and it fails to go through and you think you have lost all your time and thoughts. It can easily be remedied.

Hope this helps.

O/T - we will be experiencing more traffic because it was just announced over on Gretawire that Joran van der Sloot will be indicted TODAY in the US, Alabama for Extortion and Fraud. 

LOL!  Good catch, Flutter!  Yes, you are exactly right, it's 'ex parte' not 'in parte', whatever possessed me??  <grins>  Thanks for explaining what that is as well.  That helps in trying to make sense of this whole thing!

 

We can't preclude everything. Where was James? Did he arrive at his mothers on Saturday for a preplanned weekend or was he spending the weekend at boyscout camp with one of his fathers (reported it was bio dad and that is Tarver), was it Tarver? Who does he live with? Bio dad Tarver or the maternal grandparents? We have read it he lived with the grandparents and then moved back with bio dad but bio dad is saying he lives with the grandparents. This is an easy detail that has a few different stories. Shouldn't we ask ourselves why?

This is from an article June 5th. The snipped portion posted below is from an interview with Terri's mother. She is stating he is at boyscout camp with his father. The father is quoted as saying he was with Terri that weekend. Does the grandmother mean the adopted father? Perhaps but it has been said over and over again he was with his bio dad. This is what I am trying to clear up.

Terri also has a 16-year-old son from a former marriage who has lived with her mom and dad for the past few months in Roseburg. The teen's father also lives in the area and the two are on a Boy Scout camping trip this weekend.
It will be difficult to give him the news, Moulton said.

"It's a total mystery," she said. "He just vanished. I just can't believe it."
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/inde ... day_k.html

Does anyone know who had the baby that morning?

Might someone have been intentionally stoking an alibi or?

Might someone have been intentionally stoking an alibi or?

My thoughts on TH having an affair.

Her pic at Christmas 09, she looks so much better than now.

Typically from what I have seen thought out my many years, when someone is having an affair, they get all dolled up, lose weight if needed, care about how they look, usually a clue as to what they are doing. etc.

TH IMO looks like she has gone downhill in appearance since that Dec pic.

JMO

OS

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Ok I am just going to come out and say it. If you know one thing about me, I never shut up. Could Terri be protecting her son? 

A Visit With Terri Moulton Horman, and What’s Changed at the House This Week
12:40 PM June 28th, 2010 by James Pitkin

with pics of house and yard
http://blogs.wweek.com/news/2010/06/28/a-visit-with-terri-moulton-horman-and-whats-changed-at-the-house-this-week/

IMO, that's a very good possibility! 

Where is James now? Terri's parents are with her, right? Is he with bio dad? Tarver said he was with the grandparents. Is James missing too? Where is the boy? Are there any reports of anyone seeing him?

You are welcome (returns the grin).  Ex parte, like so many legal terms is Latin.  I don't know the exact translation, but just to look at it -- "ex" means to take away and "parte" refers to more than one.  So that would loosely mean without one party being present at the hearing.  I learned about ex parte hearings from my CASA training. 

I am glad I could help -- it seems like I soak up much more here at SM than I contribute. 

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Thanks, I was getting ready to drench my hard drive with Phillips Milk of Magnesia to see if that would make it go (faster).

Thanks, I was getting ready to drench my hard drive with Phillips Milk of Magnesia to see if that would make it go (faster).

I try not to be off topic - however, Advance Care will fix your system completely, and it will make it very fast.

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NRCG - I'm starting to feel badly for Terri. This is a first. If the police have something make it known already, don't make her a community leaper.

I hate to post this and say it - but I have a reputation for saying what's on my mind. And once in a while I'm right and sometimes wrong.

There are alot of mistakes made in this case. The police have royally screwed this case up. Only polygraphing Terri? and ONLY making her vehicle the item of interest? Like I said, I don't know what happened to Kyron, but I have followed enough cases to know that there have been mistakes made in this cases. And apparently the police have not arrested Terri even after two voluntary polygraphs.

They have few witness statements, few if any video, and who knows what they are really doing here. Yes, it's hard to say that, but it needs to be said. I know that someone will say - this is the normal course of an investigation, and I will reply - yes, an investigation that produces no results and no convictions. It may produce an arrest, but no convictions.

In the first 24 hours this case was most likely blown. I have seen too many cases over time that fizzle into a vapor. I don't know this police departments track record, but so far I'm not seeing anything that leads me to believe that this case is getting solved.

I may post this and in ten seconds there will be an arrest - but absent a body and a motive - this doesn't have the hallmarks of a competent investigation. And that's just one boy's opinion.

If they are so sure that Terri committed this crime - and after two polygraphs - why must really waiting for an astrological sign to descend.

One would think this shouldn't be a hard question. Was he at boyscout camp, does he live with grandma, or does he live with his bio dad? But it seems like it is a hard question.

Where is James now? Terri's parents are with her, right? Is he with bio dad? Tarver said he was with the grandparents. Is James missing too? Where is the boy? Are there any reports of anyone seeing him?

Cheesa Louisa ... it's hard to get on here!

MOO ... And no disrespect to anyone ... but again - Cheesa Louisa!  Let's leave a 16-year-old kid out of this ... seriously ... this whole case is rumor and innuendo ... and James is not fair game just because he had the unfortunate circumstance of being a member of this family.

Terri is a big girl ... and in LE's words ... was the last person to see Kyron ... have at her (though I need my seat back on the fence .. move over Wyks and Rob!) ... but these words that we post last forever in the internet(dom) ...

Peace ... not choosing to argue with anyone ... just thought I'd get that off my chest while I could get on ...

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Kyron Horman Disappearance. This is what happened.

Postby justlogic » Wed Jun 16, 2010 2:28 pm
The following is a combination of my understanding of the circumstances, time lines and events
regarding the disappearance of 7 year old Kyron Horman from the Skyline school science fair on Friday June 4 2010, along with my personal theory and opinion. The news reports and video interviews with witnesses are my sole source of information on all of these events. My views are my own. I am using the same resources as those used by the big name pro-filers commenting on this nightly, so do not discount the value of these resources. However you may disregard my views if you like.

Approximately 8:15am Friday June 4th the Skyline school PTA president said she saw Kyron and his stepmother standing near Kyron's science fair exhibit. Kyrons teacher also said she saw Kyron with his stepmother in her classroom some time before 8:45am. Approximately 8:45am the stepmother claims after watching Kyron walk towards the hallway to his classroom she left the school and that was the last time she saw Kyron.

Kyron was scheduled to be with his classroom group for the science fair tour from 9:00am until 10:00am that day and his stated destination according to Kyrons stepmother was his classroom.
Kyron was also scheduled to be in a school talent show from 1:00pm until 2:24pm. Unfortunately Kyrons stepmother would not be attending the school talent show with the other parents. Around 9:00am a classmate and friend of Kyron said he spoke with Kyron in the hallway near the stairs. This friend said Kyron told him he was going downstairs to see a cool electric display. No one else seems to have talked to Kyron that day or is as yet reported to have done so. The last time this friend saw Kyron was at that moment as Kyron went down the stairs. No one has seen 7 year old Kyron Horman since. The friend said the time was 9:00am. I am not aware of any reports of Kyrons activity's between 8:45am and 9:00am. I am not aware of any report that Kyron went into his classroom. If both the 8:45am and 9:00am times and stories are correct, We must believe Kyron just stood alone in the hallway for 15 minutes after telling his stepmother he was going to his classroom and while walking down the stairs he simply disappeared from the face of the earth. The perpetrator of this crime wants us to believe this and will come out fighting to defend it.

9:00am was the scheduled time for all of the children to be in their classes. If Kyron had told his step mother he was going to his class at 8:45am. There must be a reason Kyron never got to his classroom. Did Kyron wander? No, of course not.

Kyron was headed to his moment of glory. I think his friend is just wrong about the time. Kyrons past behavior model shows he does what he says he is going to do. Kyron followed the rules. Kyron was known and described as a good sweet and timid child. Kyron had no known problems with tardiness,absence,wandering or other negative behaviors in general. He was not the type of child to just wander away.

If the 8:45am story is correct Kyron was so extremely eager to get to his class and begin the tour that he headed for class 15 minutes early and fully intended to go there and would not waiver from that. It is not likely Kyron would stray from his objective. Kyron had waited for his moment in the sun for weeks. Kyron would not be late for his greatest event. Kyron was so very proud of his exhibit, that his sole desire was to get there early to assure he would be on time to show his exhibit to his classmates. What possible reasoning could have distracted Kyron from his moment of pride and joy?



This same friend and classmate was in class at the 9:00am roll call. The friend was not in the hallway at 9:00am and so it is reasonable to assume some time had to pass between that hallway conversation and the 9:00am role call. This same friend was of the first to notice Kyron was not in class for the roll call and this surprised him. Why would it surprise him if he had just spoken to Kyron at 9:00am and he knew Kyron was going downstairs. Why would he expect Kyron to make roll call on time. The schedule was 9:00am roll call, form small groups and tour science fair until 10:00am.

There was nothing reported in their conversation about Kyron not having time to go downstairs. Kyron and his friend must have both thought Kyron had time to go downstairs and return to his class for the 9:00am role call.
This conversation very possibly took place before 9:00am. It very possibly took place around 8:46am just after Kyron left his stepmother. The friend being only 8 years old may not be as aware of the actual time as he believes. Witnesses report what they believe they saw, what they believe happened, what they believe the time was. A lot of the time it just doesn’t fit.

It is reasonable to assume the friends grandmother told him that it's time to go to class,because it starts at 9:00am. He could then think it is 9:00am because his grandmother told him so.


This same friend also said he saw Kyron's step mom leave without Kyron, and that is all he said about that. I am not aware of any report that he said he saw her leave the building, go outside get in her car etc. The friend was on the second floor with Kyron so at best, all he could have seen was step mom go down the stairs. He did not say who went down the stairs first, Kyron or step mom. The friend only said they went down separately. The friend did not say he ever saw Kyron in his classroom that day. The friend said he saw Kyron in the hallway. Presumably just after Kyron left his stepmother. The friend was on the second floor. The friend had no way of knowing what happened on the first floor.

All of the events mentioned here took place on the second floor and currently all of the public news reports, video witness interviews etc, that I am aware of, are all second floor events.


The conversation between Kyron and his friend very possibly took place some time before 9:00am. I think Kyron was taken out of that school before 9:00am. It had to happen before the kids were in their seats looking out in the window. It had to happen before 9:00am because even though the halls would be momentarily clear, any people in them would stand out. A mass of parents leaving between 8:45am and 9:00am would provide excellent cover. It would have to happen before 9:00am to take advantage of the crowd and chaos that came with it. The school normally opens to students at 8:35am and the final bell rings at 8:45am. On Friday June 4 2010 the school opened early so students could tour the science fair with their parents. The school opened at 8:am that day. The bell times were not reset for the special event that day and all bells sounded at their normal times and so the final bell rang at 8:45am. This is presumably how Kyrons stepmother is certain of the time she claims she left him. That 8:45am bell also signaled go time and a plan was enacted by someone that knew the schools routines and procedures very well.

Taking a child from a school hallway is a high risk proposition for anyone at any time. Add a special event with hundreds of potential witnesses to the equation and a snatch and grab is just out of the question. While pedophiles may go to these events to meet children by way of meeting parents and posing as a safe friend, it would not be a good time for most to actually take a child. But the crowd and confusion could have been used as an advantage to someone with another plan. Someone that knew a phone call would not be made even after the absence was discovered. Someone needed time for the act and alibi and someone knew they would have it. This was not a crime of simple opportunity. This was also not done by some older kid. This act was committed by someone with adult knowledge,skills and with extremely detailed planing ability. You need a real plan to pull this off. You need to be extremely organized.

Kyron knew his abductor very very well and Kyron had no idea what was going to happen as he walked off very willingly with this person. To make this work your victim has to know you, trust you and even better, be waiting for you. Who did Kyron know and trust that he would wait for and leave with? Leaving without question or hesitation? Kicking and screaming would bring quick attention. Who would he voluntarily get in a car with? Who worked and or volunteered at that school enough to know the building, the security and the lack of it, who would blend in the best, who would be the most invisible while in plain sight. Who could best exit with Kyron unappreciated.

My guess is Kyron going down those stairs was a step in a very specific 8:45am plan. Kyron was sent down those stairs by someone he trusted. My guess is Kyrons abductor was positioned very close to Kyron that mourning watching Kyron and waiting for that 8:45am bell. At 8:45am the bell rang and Kyrons abductor moved to a new position as the plan was put in motion. Kyrons abductor moved away from the second floor activity's of the day. Kyrons abductor would want to appear to be exiting alone. Kyrons abductor would move to the first floor so that they would not be noticeably seen with Kyron.

On the first floor Kyrons abductor was no longer making contact with anyone, no longer chatting with others. On the first floor Kyrons abductor would want to blend in and be invisible. Transparency would be vital. This person would not be appreciably noticeable to anyone. This person would fit so well in the environment that their activity was completely unappreciated. The attentions of the staff, students and visitors were completely focused on the science fair and the excitement. The search for Kyron brought in new information and now the focus has shifted to the criminal investigation. The investigations in these cases begin inside and work their way out. Who was Kyron with last? Who was close to Kyron? Who had the ability? Who had the knowledge? Who had the opportunity? Who had a motive? Who had a vendetta? Who felt Kyron was a burden. Who felt Kyron was an obstacle? Who did Kyron trust enough to leave with? The bell rang at 8:45am and before 9:00am Kyron was gone. The criminal investigation will uncover Kyrons abductor soon.


http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/inde ... f_eve.html

I'm inclined to agree with you .. but would be more inclined if we had more information from LE.  I have two theories: 

1.  Either LE has a lot of knowledge that we don't ... and while we know she's taken a lie detector twice ... we haven't heard about anyone else taking one ... and I'm sure they have given more than just her two ...

so the info we are working with is absolutely worthless really ...

2.  They focused on her too much - too early - and don't have squat.

Thanks, I was getting ready to drench my hard drive with Phillips Milk of Magnesia to see if that would make it go (faster).

I think it is a fair question considering there are differing statements from his family on where he is.

Can't argue with what you said Rob, sure looks that way to me also. And I'm thinking, what if Terri is innocent of any wrong doing, and look what has all happened. Not only is she isolated from everyone, she can't even talk to her kids. I'm bothered by the fact she can't even see the sealed documents, just don't seem right to me, but maybe things like that happen, and I never heard of that before, don't know.

If we never question inconsistencies in peoples stories, why are we here anyway? If we only seek information on people over the age of 18 does that mean that minors never commit crimes? If we only stay focused on what is obvious then we will never help with anything.
Terri is the obvious choice of people and she is being looked at over and over again, yet still no arrest. It is possible she may not be directly responsible but does have some responsibility and maybe covering for someone. It has been said perhaps a lover, but you know what strikes me odd about that? Her appearance has declined and not enhanced. She gained weight, not lost weight. She dressed sort of frumpy, she wasn't taking care of herself and unless her lover liked over weight frumpy woman then imho it doesn't fit. So who would Terri be covering for? A friend perhaps? A relative? Her son? Right now we have several different accounts on something pretty simple considering James was supposed to be living with Grandma. Where was James that day? Was he at Boyscouts camp with daddy or was he with Grandma getting ready to visit mommy on a preplanned visit on June 5th? Two different people saying he was with the other one makes me ask why?

And we are going to believe any of them or any of their statements because ...

Like I said ... I'm not here to start an argument ... I just think that words hurt ... especially when you're a teenager ... and the words here often get cut and pasted to other places ... or read ... by teenagers looking for information on his missing brother ... or his mother ...

Personally - while I might go there in my mind (which admittedly I haven't) I wouldn't post anything about it until I had serious cause to do so.  Do we know he has a driver's license?  Access to a vehicle?  Did anyone see him at Kyron's Science Fair?  I don't know the answer to any of those questions ... so just won't go there.

[If this thing ever went to trial and I were Terri's attorney - don't you think I would make the point that the police and investigators have focused only on Terri and only gave her polygraphs? In a sense - it's a ace in the hole.

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If we never question inconsistencies in peoples stories, why are we here anyway? If we only seek information on people over the age of 18 does that mean that minors never commit crimes? If we only stay focused on what is obvious then we will never help with anything.
Terri is the obvious choice of people and she is being looked at over and over again, yet still no arrest. It is possible she may not be directly responsible but does have some responsibility and maybe covering for someone. It has been said perhaps a lover, but you know what strikes me odd about that? Her appearance has declined and not enhanced. She gained weight, not lost weight. She dressed sort of frumpy, she wasn't taking care of herself and unless her lover liked over weight frumpy woman then imho it doesn't fit. So who would Terri be covering for? A friend perhaps? A relative? Her son? Right now we have several different accounts on something pretty simple considering James was supposed to be living with Grandma. Where was James that day? Was he at Boyscouts camp with daddy or was he with Grandma getting ready to visit mommy on a preplanned visit on June 5th? Two different people saying he was with the other one makes me ask why?

Rob - why?  It makes no sense that everyone would be against Terri unless there is reason to believe she is guilty of "something".  The question is what? 

Ok klaas - she throw him off a bridge, and has clammed up with two polygraphs. There are many people accused of all sorts of things - you know that as well as I do.

All I am asking  - prove it, place some info that leads them to believe it.

Am kinda pizzzzed at ABC for leading out their article (even if in the subtitle) with that, upthread.

Yes, Terri pled guilty for endangering her child... IN 2005 for criminy sakes, we already knew that. 

Seems to me that for them not to include 'in 2005' in the subtitle, they are just trying to grab ratings, grab the attention of everyone who is waiting to see what Terri does next IN THIS CASE, which seemingly has nothing to do with the other.   

Might just have to join over at ABC just to get my 2 cents in.  Grrrrrrr.  Already helped to shut down one news article (which was pulled) by our horrified comments.  Am thinking the poster that mentioned it could be fodder for a lawsuit is what also got their attention.  Might work with ABC as well.  Dunno.  It's true info, just very very misleading as to content.  Sleazzzzzy journalism, IMO.  And not even from the known sleaze news outlets! 

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/kyron-horman-family-crumbles-amid-explosive-court-documents/story?id=11050953

lord help me - I may regret this. I'm starting to think Terri is getting set up. I'm pretty perceptive, and my track record speaks for itself.

I hate going on the line for someone I don't know - but justice demands it. I don't care if my reputation takes a hit - I care that justice is served.

Am kinda pizzzzed at ABC for leading out their article (even if in the subtitle) with that, upthread.

Yes, Terri pled guilty for endangering her child... IN 2005 for criminy sakes, we already knew that. 

Seems to me that for them not to include 'in 2005' in the subtitle, they are just trying to grab ratings, grab the attention of everyone who is waiting to see what Terri does next IN THIS CASE, which seemingly has nothing to do with the other.   

Might just have to join over at ABC just to get my 2 cents in.  Grrrrrrr.  Already helped to shut down one news article (which was pulled) by our horrified comments.  Am thinking the poster that mentioned it could be fodder for a lawsuit is what also got their attention.  Might work with ABC as well.  Dunno.  It's true info, just very very misleading as to content.  Sleazzzzzy journalism, IMO.  And not even from the known sleaze news outlets! 

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/kyron-horman-family-crumbles-amid-explosive-court-documents/story?id=11050953

I think it is a fair question considering there are differing statements from his family on where he is.

I think it is a fair question considering there are several accounts of his were abouts. It is something that should not be considered picking on him. Where was he that weekend? Which version is the truth?

Regardless if he has a DL, that doesn't mean he can't drive. I have no idea if he has anything to do with it or not. I am just asking the question, where he was, boyscout camp or not.

So let me get this straight. I cannot bring up the teacher because I am then considered to be speaking out about a person who is innocent. I can't bring up the son because it may hurt his feelings...I can speak out all I want about Terri? I can talk about her possibly killing her step son in some psychopathic frenzy but everyone else is off limits? That doesn't make sense to me.

I can't prove it I just have a gut feeling something is wrong with Terri.  I don't know if she has an illness or she is hiding something or covering for someone but my gut tells me something is wrong with her.

I can't prove it I just have a gut feeling something is wrong with Terri.  I don't know if she has an illness or she is hiding something or covering for someone but my gut tells me something is wrong with her.

I may be crazy, but i just don't think the step brother had anything to do with this except maybe as a catalyst. I think his departure from the home may just be what started this whole downward spiral. Does he even have a license to drive? Is he 15 or 16 right now? Can they get a license in OR at 16?

I also think that a lot of erroneous info came from TH's mom, Carol, the only time she spoke out which was right after Kyron disappeared. The boy scout trip, DY and TH being great friends, TH knowing DH before she had Kyron, TH going in as caregiver to Kyron to help DY out, KH and TH knowing each other for 7 or 8 years, she was there for Kyron then she and KH fell in love and decided to get married..... I think she was just repeating the stories TH told her. stories that made Terri look good. If she (CM) is guilty of anything it is being naive and trusting, not purposely helping set up an alibi or a defense, IMO.

I know that Terri was adopted by the Moulton's, but is she their only child? I feel so sorry for them. I think they are as much victims in this case as Kaine's family and Desiree's family.

I don't know why exactly, but I see Terri as a master manipulator.

Good points in there, Marycat!  And could very well be.  Have read, but haven't confirmed yet, (maybe others doing the who's who has??) that Terri has a sister, and something about facebook.  That's all I've read tho.  Not even sure if that's actually a SIL and she has a brother instead.  lol  From what I do understand tho, that sibling would likely be her adoptive sib, not a bio sib.  Unless of course, LOLOLOL, she met any bio half sibs later on in life.  Anything is possible with THIS case!  LOL 
 

Rob do you have a theory on her/TH set up
id like to hear it, it would just be theory IYO
its an angle i never thought of

agree.  Also think it's a fair question to wonder where Kyron's half-bro Q was that day.  (Desiree's teenage son, same age as James) ....  Seeing as how it's been offered up by Terri/family where her son was. 

If we never question inconsistencies in peoples stories, why are we here anyway? If we only seek information on people over the age of 18 does that mean that minors never commit crimes? If we only stay focused on what is obvious then we will never help with anything.
Terri is the obvious choice of people and she is being looked at over and over again, yet still no arrest. It is possible she may not be directly responsible but does have some responsibility and maybe covering for someone. It has been said perhaps a lover, but you know what strikes me odd about that? Her appearance has declined and not enhanced. She gained weight, not lost weight. She dressed sort of frumpy, she wasn't taking care of herself and unless her lover liked over weight frumpy woman then imho it doesn't fit. So who would Terri be covering for? A friend perhaps? A relative? Her son? Right now we have several different accounts on something pretty simple considering James was supposed to be living with Grandma. Where was James that day? Was he at Boyscouts camp with daddy or was he with Grandma getting ready to visit mommy on a preplanned visit on June 5th? Two different people saying he was with the other one makes me ask why?

Doin' a happy Dance. I am in!  I am in!  :)  Okay, now that that's over

~HI!!!  Obviously this is my first post... and hopefully I won't screw it up.  My questions are: Where was that 18 mo old and if dad saw Kyron in the morning feeding the cat and then was there at 3ish to get him off the bus that's not a HUGE window of opportunity.  I wonder what time he returned home to work.  For me personally...and to be honest with you I was feeling sorry for TH and was rooting for her....*because* that's what the family closest to her appeared to me to be doing.  But...this whole filing for divorce and restraining orders has me baffled.  It sounds like things blew a part after her second polygraph, and the LE let the bioparents in on it and viola, a confrontation ending in the filing of the divorce and restraining order.

here's what I think happened - Terri dropped Kyron off at school and went to get banged. She had a boyfriend and has had one for a long time - that's my thinking.

Then she goes to the gym and then home - it probably came out in polygraph and a divorce decree happened licktey split.

Personally, I think this is a lot of bad circumstances that all came together. And Kyron is missing and likely dead. All I ask - LE show me that Terri did more than possibly have an affair - her track record seems to indicate that.

ah chit i did not know there was a half-bro,Desiree's teenage son, same age as James

so which one was said to be at the bscamp
james or Desiree's teenage son,does Desiree's teenage son have a name

such confusing family relations

This is from an article June 5th. The snipped portion posted below is from an interview with Terri's mother. She is stating he is at boyscout camp with his father. The father is quoted as saying he was with Terri that weekend. Does the grandmother mean the adopted father? Perhaps but it has been said over and over again he was with his bio dad. This is what I am trying to clear up.

Terri also has a 16-year-old son from a former marriage who has lived with her mom and dad for the past few months in Roseburg. The teen's father also lives in the area and the two are on a Boy Scout camping trip this weekend.
It will be difficult to give him the news, Moulton said.

"It's a total mystery," she said. "He just vanished. I just can't believe it."
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/inde ... day_k.html

James was said to be at boy scout camp. The quote is a few pages back per terri's grandma. But let me check just to make sure.

Welcome, Dodade and justwondering
not being rude monkeys just engrossed ya know

I could see that happening but if I really thought she was NOT guilty of murdering Kyron I would be afraid that by doing that it would make her the focus and not the REAL person who killed him.  If I just couldn't handle being with her and felt like we needed to separate I would definately let the public know the circumstances so that the public doesn't speculate that she is the murderer. 

*BUMP*

welcome - hasn't that sorta happened? her marriage is over and she is not arrested? just sayin'

lord knows I hate saying this and going on a limb, but this is the essence of being a monk and going on a limb.

it's been three weeks and almost four weeks - don't you all think if there were forensics and real evidence - such phone records Terri would have been arrested?

what's the hold up?

snip snip snippety snip

Harry Oakes, the head of International K-9 Search and Rescue, offered his services to police when Kyron disappeared, but they declined. He said he's donating his time to search for Kyron on his own.

Well I think if they really didn't think she "did" it but was just guilty of cheating, he would file for divorce and not let the papers be sealed...and they would still allow her to "stand" with them in their search for him.  The fact that the three are excluding her and taking her daughter makes it sure look like she's guilty of more then cheating.

lord knows I hate saying this and going on a limb, but this is the essence of being a monk and going on a limb.

it's been three weeks and almost four weeks - don't you all think if there were forensics and real evidence - such phone records Terri would have been arrested?

what's the hold up?

Well I think if they really didn't think she "did" it but was just guilty of cheating, he would file for divorce and not let the papers be sealed...and they would still allow her to "stand" with them in their search for him.  The fact that the three are excluding her and taking her daughter makes it sure look like she's guilty of more then cheating.

WELCOME dodade.   It appears that James is a kid that doesn't get a lot of attention, family members don't even know for sure where he is.

Got your back Wyks.  My background is journalism and what passes for reporting today is an abomination.  And someone needs to tell the braintrust over at ABC that the past tense for plead (the legal term) is "plead" (pronounced pled) not pleaded.  Pleaded is something the little boy did with his mother. 

You are right, it is very sad. I don't understand why LE wouldn't welcome anyone offering help, especially one with HO's creds.

Same thing happened with the Lindsy Baum case.

I know if my child were missing I would want anyone and everyone who could help!

That bothered me, too, Wyks!  Yet, there are some forums to who mainstream media is god, if you know what I mean.

agreed. So let's see them prove it. My track record remains at an astonishing 99% - I don't want to see that diminished. <grins>

just a different perspective

Sister Of Murdered Girl Hopeful For Kyron
http://www.kptv.com/news/23998374/detail.html

snip
Kyron has a 15-year-old brother, a 16-year-old stepbrother and a little sister -- all of which have stayed out of the media spotlight.

Looking back, Gaddis said she got too involved by talking to the media every day and delving into the investigation. But, even behind the scenes, she said it's a difficult situation for the Kyron's siblings.

I love playing what if and could be, what if Terri is covering for someone who was seen with kyron and she will not give up the information? What if the person she is protecting is still around and Kaine feared for his daughter?

Do you all recall something about if kyron was seen with someone or he was last seen at some time but LE wouldn't say who he was with? What was that exactly, anyone remember?

NG announce that tomorrow at 10:00 am "The Family" is going to talk. The news outlets are not releasing any info on this, so I am going to poo - poo it for now. NG just said 10:00, what time zone?

NG announce that tomorrow at 10:00 am "The Family" is going to talk. The news outlets are not releasing any info on this, so I am going to poo - poo it for now. NG just said 10:00, what time zone?

I am so glad Harry Oakes is there. Hopefully he will be found tomorrow! (I loved the picture of Kyron jumping at a track. I just had to use it.)

ah chit i did not know there was a half-bro,Desiree's teenage son, same age as James

so which one was said to be at the bscamp
james or Desiree's teenage son,does Desiree's teenage son have a name

such confusing family relations

Well, whoever Kyron left with at the school and would have known and would have gone willingly with, is his mom and stepdad, but they live a couple hours away. Kyron's dad, but he was at work. James, but we don't know really where he was at. And stepmom, and we know she was at the school. I can't figure out anybody else he would have left willingly with. His grandparents, but they also weren't living around there.

Does his uncle, Kristian(?) live around there?

I don't believe he's alive.  I believe he was killed the day he came up missing.  Guess it's just the odds ... very few cases of missing children (that LE doesn't know were abducted by a parent) do you find them alive ... or see that they were kept alive for any amount of time.

I know, I know ... glass half empty ... but that's what I think.

But even being an agnostic .. I think kids go to a better place ... kids and animals ... they are what keeps me from being an atheist ...

(seriously, don't need any bring-me-to-jesus posts :)  But love ya for thinking of me :)

I forgot about him, and can't remember where he lives now.

Could Terri be protecting her 16 year old son?  Where was James on Thursday evening and/or Friday morning?

Also ... did Kaine mention anything in regards to any contact with his son on Thursday evening and/or Friday morning?

Janet

++++++

Details emerge about the day Kyron Horman turned up missing
Published: Saturday, June 05, 2010

Friday began as a special day for 7-year-old Kyron Horman. His school in Northwest Portland was having a science fair and he was keen to show off his project to his stepmother. ....

Terri also has a 16-year-old son from a former marriage who has lived with her mom and dad for the past few months in Roseburg. The teen's father also lives in the area and the two are on a Boy Scout camping trip this weekend.

It will be difficult to give him the news, Moulton said.

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/details_emerge_about_the_day_k.html

WHY did Kaine file for divorce the same day of the 2nd poly?

WHY did the judge grant a restraining order?  He didn't do it simply on a whim or on the word of Kaine alone.

WHY did the judge take away all of Terri's parental rights, no visitation?

WHY is Terri being restricted from owning a firearm?

WHY has LE continued to hint that they need more information on where Terri has been seen in her vehicle that morning?

WHERE is Kyron?

lord knows I hate saying this and going on a limb, but this is the essence of being a monk and going on a limb.

it's been three weeks and almost four weeks - don't you all think if there were forensics and real evidence - such phone records Terri would have been arrested?

what's the hold up?

WHY did Kaine file for divorce the same day of the 2nd poly?

WHY did the judge grant a restraining order?  He didn't do it simply on a whim or on the word of Kaine alone.

WHY did the judge take away all of Terri's parental rights, no visitation?

WHY is Terri being restricted from owning a firearm?

WHY has LE continued to hint that they need more information on where Terri has been seen in her vehicle that morning?

WHERE is Kyron?

I don't believe he's alive.  I believe he was killed the day he came up missing.  Guess it's just the odds ... very few cases of missing children (that LE doesn't know were abducted by a parent) do you find them alive ... or see that they were kept alive for any amount of time.

I know, I know ... glass half empty ... but that's what I think.

But even being an agnostic .. I think kids go to a better place ... kids and animals ... they are what keeps me from being an atheist ...

(seriously, don't need any bring-me-to-jesus posts :)  But love ya for thinking of me :)

I am so glad Harry Oakes is there. Hopefully he will be found tomorrow! (I loved the picture of Kyron jumping at a track. I just had to use it.)

Sad that they declined ... who could possibly turn down free help when a child is missing ... this isn't politics ... this isn't egos ... this is a missing child!

No way!  I didn't read your whole post until AFTER I posted my comment.  Darn it!  Now it looks like I am being a onery twit!  Please accept my apologies!  Only hear and hour and I've already inserted my keyboard in my mouth!

http://www.kptv.com/news/24100574/detail.html

Search Expert Using Dogs To Look For Kyron

POSTED: 2:53 pm PDT June 30, 2010
UPDATED: 4:40 pm PDT June 30, 2010

PORTLAND, Ore. -- A search expert took his border collies into the field Wednesday to search for evidence of missing 7-year-old Kyron Horman, nearly one month after the boy disappeared from Skyline School in northwest Portland.

Harry Oakes, the head of International K-9 Search and Rescue, offered his services to police when Kyron disappeared, but they declined. He said he's donating his time to search for Kyron on his own.

Since the first week of the investigation, Sauvie's Island has been a location repeatedly searched in the effort to find Kyron. Dive teams, K-9s and horse trailers have been spotted at the island, but deputies have not said whether they found anything.

Oakes returned to the island on Wednesday.

"I give absolutely no credibility to the search dogs they use," Oakes said. "Too many times, we've gone in after they've searched and then found the person in the original search area."

Oakes scoured areas of Sauvie Island with his dogs and focused on marinas around the island. Without a piece of Kyron's clothing or a pillow case, he gave his dogs a pseudo scent to track.

During his search, one dog honed in on a spot of water and Oakes pulled a sock out. It was the only spot that triggered the dogs.

On Thursday, he plans to bring in a second dog team to see if they get hits in the same areas. If they do, Oakes plans to call police.

Oakes said he is not trying to upstage the sheriff's office or get in their way. He simply wants to give the family closure.

"I saw the captain from the sheriff's office make a promise to bring Kyron home and I'm trying to help him keep that promise," Oakes said.

911 Calls Came From Horman Family Home

This week, Kaine Horman filed for divorce and a restraining order against Terri Horman, who was the last person to have reported seeing 7-year-old Kyron.

He left his family's home in northwest Portland on Saturday and took the 18-month-old daughter he shared with Terri Horman with him.

FOX 12 has learned that two 911 calls were made from the Horman family home over the weekend. One call was classified as a custodial interference issue and the other call was related to "threats being made to another person."

Sheriff's deputies would not elaborate on the calls. The calls have also been impounded and will not be released to the media until a later date.

Only hear and hour and I've already inserted my keyboard in my mouth!

bumper sticker material lol

I so love NG .. not ... but probably Eastern Standard ... 10 is her usual time here and we are on EST.

.....

probably the maid of the cousins - stepbrothers- cousins- great aunt - twice removed-of the brothers- sister-in-laws - moms - dad's -cousins - great uncles - maid ...

<monkey smile>

and I forgot to say ...

Welcome ... dodade!

You can sit on my branch anytime!  (Claycat hasn't been very good at catching me when I get kicked outta the cage ... so if you could just keep watch :)

Hi Claycat :)

Just make sure you spell "Here" correctly.  DOI.  I am making a great first impression.  Could it be the glass of Merlot?  Nah.

Monkey Bunk time here.

Just want to put out there ... you all know the old saying ...

Opinions are like *ssholes ... everyone's got one.

I like to hear them all ... some I will agree with .. some I won't ... but I still want to hear them.

Night Monkeys.  Peace and love to Kyron.

Well, whoever Kyron left with at the school and would have known and would have gone willingly with, is his mom and stepdad, but they live a couple hours away. Kyron's dad, but he was at work. James, but we don't know really where he was at. And stepmom, and we know she was at the school. I can't figure out anybody else he would have left willingly with. His grandparents, but they also weren't living around there.

I don't believe he's alive.  I believe he was killed the day he came up missing.  Guess it's just the odds ... very few cases of missing children (that LE doesn't know were abducted by a parent) do you find them alive ... or see that they were kept alive for any amount of time.

I know, I know ... glass half empty ... but that's what I think.

But even being an agnostic .. I think kids go to a better place ... kids and animals ... they are what keeps me from being an atheist ...

(seriously, don't need any bring-me-to-jesus posts :)  But love ya for thinking of me :)

Does his uncle, Kristian(?) live around there?

Wouldn't it be something .... if we were to find out that as Terri waved buh bye to Kyron and walked out to the parking lot, as he supposedly walked to his classroom... and then, enter stage left...... Kaine.  'Hey little buddy!  Let's play hooky!'  Out another door they go.  Wouldn't that be something, eh? 

(http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq117/Wyks_/monkey%20smilies/blinds-monkey.gif)

Wouldn't it be something .... if we were to find out that as Terri waved buh bye to Kyron and walked out to the parking lot, as he supposedly walked to his classroom... and then, enter stage left...... Kaine.  'Hey little buddy!  Let's play hooky!'  Out another door they go.  Wouldn't that be something, eh? 

(http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq117/Wyks_/monkey%20smilies/blinds-monkey.gif)

No, he lives in Washington, up by Seattle.  A good 4-5 hour or so drive. 

No, he lives in Washington, up by Seattle.  A good 4-5 hour or so drive. 

No way!  I didn't read your whole post until AFTER I posted my comment.  Darn it!  Now it looks like I am being a onery twit!  Please accept my apologies!  Only hear and hour and I've already inserted my keyboard in my mouth!

Just make sure you spell "Here" correctly.  DOI.  I am making a great first impression.  Could it be the glass of Merlot?  Nah.

LOL!  Good catch, Flutter!  Yes, you are exactly right, it's 'ex parte' not 'in parte', whatever possessed me??  <grins>  Thanks for explaining what that is as well.  That helps in trying to make sense of this whole thing!

 

WHY did Kaine file for divorce the same day of the 2nd poly?

WHY did the judge grant a restraining order?  He didn't do it simply on a whim or on the word of Kaine alone.

WHY did the judge take away all of Terri's parental rights, no visitation?

WHY is Terri being restricted from owning a firearm?

WHY has LE continued to hint that they need more information on where Terri has been seen in her vehicle that morning?

WHERE is Kyron?

I notice that Harry used generic cadaver scent, Wyks.  I sure wish he could get something from one of Kyron's friends.  I don't understand why they won't give him the scent!  Dang!  He might be able to find him!  It's hard to believe LE lets their egos get in the way of finding a child!

Thank you for posting about Harry Oakes, klaasend!  I got banned at another site for saying I wasn't allowed to post a link to his site.  Now, that other forum is allowing posters to talk about him, but only in the parking lot, because he doesn't have the cooperation of the family and sheriff's department and he is taking donations!  Tim Miller takes donations!  Why can't Harry Oakes take donations. 

That is the final straw!  When I am reinstated tomorrow, I am withdrawing my membership from that other site!  I am so, so angry.  I have been over here yelling at the computer!  Picture the little emoticon that turns red with fire!

Having said that, thank you, klaasend for providing a forum with a more open platform, so that we can get all the information! 

What is important is finding Kyron and all the other missing people! 

Now I will climb down off my box.


Welcome dodade! 

Let me add to this a little if I can.  A TRO (temporary restraining order) is typically VERY difficult to obtain.  It is, by its very nature, an emergency order obtained ex parte.  The reason is that, in order to even obtain a TRO, you need to convince the judge (a) that there's the need for immediate relief and (b) telling the other side would be detrimental to the relief requested (among other things).  In other words, you need to convince the judge that telling the other side would increase the likelihood that the "thing" you're trying to prevent will occur if you give the other side notice.  If the judge isn't convinced that the case is such an emergency that you can't give the other side notice and an opportunity to be heard, the request will be denied, and the plaintiff will need to seek a preliminary injunction instead. 

I don't think it has anything to do with egos...I think they are trying to preserve potential evidence...

I notice that Harry used generic cadaver scent, Wyks.  I sure wish he could get something from one of Kyron's friends.  I don't understand why they won't give him the scent!  Dang!  He might be able to find him!  It's hard to believe LE lets their egos get in the way of finding a child!

True Claycat!  Well... To be honest, Harry doesn't need his scent to find Kyron, if he's no longer alive.  :*(  He needs his scent to find an alive Kyron.  As in abducted and hidden, perhaps.  Without that, he still has a 5% chance of finding him alive, which he hopefully is, may just take a lot longer than it 'could'. 

Hi, ozziesmom!  Harry has a history with Multinomah (sp?) County.  He went to search an area, at the mother's request, that had already been searched by LE.  He and his dogs found her child's body within a minute.  It caused them some embarrassment.  So, they try to block him from helping. 

You can read about it here:  http://kyronhorman.blogspot.com/2010/06/politics-and-egos-search-for-kyron.html

This battle of egos goes on with LE a lot.  Just ask my husband and my son, who both work in LE.  :)

Wouldn't it be something .... if we were to find out that as Terri waved buh bye to Kyron and walked out to the parking lot, as he supposedly walked to his classroom... and then, enter stage left...... Kaine.  'Hey little buddy!  Let's play hooky!'  Out another door they go.  Wouldn't that be something, eh? 

(http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq117/Wyks_/monkey%20smilies/blinds-monkey.gif)

Here is a link that shows who is collecting funds for the search by Harry Oakes.  He is not collecting them himself.  A committee will disperse the funds for his search.  Someone needs to let that other forum know the truth about this!

http://kyronhorman.blogspot.com/2010/06/press-release-re-kyron-horman-search.html

Let me add to this a little if I can.  A TRO (temporary restraining order) is typically VERY difficult to obtain.  It is, by its very nature, an emergency order obtained ex parte.  The reason is that, in order to even obtain a TRO, you need to convince the judge (a) that there's the need for immediate relief and (b) telling the other side would be detrimental to the relief requested (among other things).  In other words, you need to convince the judge that telling the other side would increase the likelihood that the "thing" you're trying to prevent will occur if you give the other side notice.  If the judge isn't convinced that the case is such an emergency that you can't give the other side notice and an opportunity to be heard, the request will be denied, and the plaintiff will need to seek a preliminary injunction instead. 

Why the discrepancy?

The above quote of Terri Horman implies that James was on a camping trip on Saturday ... the day following Kyron's disappearance.

The following quote of Ron Tarver implies that James was with Terri on Saturday ... the day following Kyron's disappearance.

Something is not right.

Janet

++++++++

Irreconcilable
The Kyron Horman case: An interview with Terri Moulton Horman’s first ex-husband.

ROSEBURG — Ron Tarver hesitates when asked whether his ex-wife, Terri Moulton Horman, could be behind the disappearance of her stepson, Kyron Horman.

Tarver says she cheated on him during their four-year marriage. Then she left him in 1995. But responsible for what happened to a 7-year-old boy?

“I don’t know [what she’s capable of doing],” says Tarver, standing with his current wife, Angela Rockwood, outside their house in this Southern Oregon town of 21,000 people.

“We’re not blind. Obviously they’re zeroing in on Terri,” Tarver says. “I just have a hard time believing anyone would be capable of doing that.”

Tarver does know one thing for sure: Cops were homing in on Terri Moulton Horman within days of Kyron’s disappearance. As first reported June 17 on wweek.com, law-enforcement sources say the investigation has increasingly focused on Kyron’s stepmom.

In the latest developments, Kyron’s father, Kaine Horman, filed for divorce from Terri Moulton Horman on June 28, citing irreconcilable differences. He also took out a restraining order against her under the Family Abuse Prevention Act. A judge has sealed that request.

Tarver, who is 41, has followed the story from 200 miles away in Roseburg, tied to the unfolding drama by his marriage to Terri Moulton 19 years ago.

They were married in 1991, when Tarver was 22 and she was 21.

But the marriage fizzled, Tarver says, after Moulton began cheating on him and the restaurant they owned together failed.

Moulton kept custody of James, and Tarver saw the boy regularly on weekends—but recently, James left his mother’s home to live with his maternal grandparents in Roseburg.

Until then James had been living with his mother and Kaine Horman off Cornelius Pass Road in unincorporated Multnomah County. Also sharing the house was Kyron, who is Kaine Horman’s son from his first marriage, and Kiara, the couple’s 18-month-old daughter.

After Kyron vanished, the reasons why James left his home and friends in Portland to move to Southern Oregon have been the subject of intense speculation. Terri Moulton Horman declined to comment when WW visited her home June 23.

James was a student at Lincoln High School in Portland, where he was on the swim team and played trumpet in the school band. Tarver says Terri Moulton Horman sent the boy to Roseburg in March this year because his grades were slipping and he was acting out at home.

“He and Kaine on occasion butted heads, because James is hard-headed,” Tarver says.

Trouble hit home again when Kyron disappeared. The day after Kyron vanished, Tarver says, James went to the Hormans’ house for a previously planned weeklong visit.

Tarver says on June 8, four days after Kyron disappeared, James called him from the Hormans’ house and mentioned Terri Moulton Horman had taken a polygraph test. It’s been reported that she has since taken a second polygraph. What hasn’t been publicly confirmed until now is that authorities were already focusing on her so soon after Kyron vanished.

Tarver says when James mentioned the polygraph to him over the phone, he heard Terri Moulton Horman begin yelling in the background to be quiet and not reveal anything more. Given the intense media scrutiny, the family agreed James should return to Roseburg, Tarver says.

“It was a zoo, so we got him out of there,” Tarver says. “It’s just been devastating for the whole family. Obviously, the longer it drags on, the less chance there is for a happy ending.”
 
http://wweek.com/editorial/3634/14214/

Wouldn't it be something .... if we were to find out that as Terri waved buh bye to Kyron and walked out to the parking lot, as he supposedly walked to his classroom... and then, enter stage left...... Kaine.  'Hey little buddy!  Let's play hooky!'  Out another door they go.  Wouldn't that be something, eh? 

(http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq117/Wyks_/monkey%20smilies/blinds-monkey.gif)

This is from DoubleDeckers forum, true crime. Remember this?

Monday, June 7, 2010

Still no trace of Kyron Horman as police, FBI conclude third day of search
By The Oregonian
((edit)) His stepmother said she last saw him at 8:45 a.m. Friday. She watched him walk toward his classroom after the pair toured the school's science fair.

During police interviews Sunday, a student said he last saw Kyron later that morning near the south entrance to the school. That was the last time the boy was seen, Staton said.
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/inde ... orman.html

So a student said he saw Kyron later that morning, I take that as later then 8:45, at the south enterence to the school. Kyrons classroom is on the northside. I think the south side is the front of the school.


EDIT:  Tracygirl - you didn't know but we received a complaint this afternoon from the Oregonian for copyright infringement. 
 
 

What would Kaines motive be?

This is from DoubleDeckers forum, true crime. Remember this?

Monday, June 7, 2010

Still no trace of Kyron Horman as police, FBI conclude third day of search
By The Oregonian
((edit)) His stepmother said she last saw him at 8:45 a.m. Friday. She watched him walk toward his classroom after the pair toured the school's science fair.

During police interviews Sunday, a student said he last saw Kyron later that morning near the south entrance to the school. That was the last time the boy was seen, Staton said.
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/inde ... orman.html

So a student said he saw Kyron later that morning, I take that as later then 8:45, at the south enterence to the school. Kyrons classroom is on the northside. I think the south side is the front of the school.


EDIT:  Tracygirl - you didn't know but we received a complaint this afternoon from the Oregonian for copyright infringement. 
 
 

YEAH!!!!  I second that, "Why"?

LE knows much more of the case than we do, and while we try to make sense of Kyron's disappearance we have to keep in mind that we do not have all the facts and so we do our reasoning using what limited information is made available (which most times varies depending on the source.)

If one reads through the lines of the statement the "family" issued last night, one understands that (1) the three talked to LE and discussed the case (2) based on some of the evidence in the case the decision was made to remove the toddler from the home.

The judge has been quoted today in several media saying that the restraining order paperwork was sealed because disclosing it could affect the investigation into Kyron's disappearance.

How can the RO affect the investigation?

IF Terri was having an affair, as has been mentioned above, that could explain the divorce filing by Kaine.

But, the toddler was removed from the home, and that right there has nothing to do with Terri having an affair.

IMO.

Thank-you JessStar, I guess what is bothering me in all this, let's say the person is lying and making up things though sounds very convincing, does the judge just go with that, or is this all checked out? A person can be very convincing, and since a young boy is missing, and since the person who was last seen with him is the person that the restraining order is being put on that person, would it be easier in that respect, and perhaps things not checked out as well.

Terri Moulton Horman retains Portland criminal defense attorney Stephen Houze
Published: Wednesday, June 30, 2010, 7:09 PM     Updated: Wednesday, June 30, 2010, 7:53 PM

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/terri_moulton_horman_retains_p.html

Terri Horman posted comments on KATU.com
By Dan Tilkin KATU News and KATU.com Staff

PORTLAND, Ore. - KATU News has been tracking postings by Kyron Horman’s stepmother, Terri Horman, on KATU.com’s comment section. While there are no bombshells in them it is the first time she has communicated publicly about her stepson’s disappearance.

KATU News traced her user ID to an e-mail address, which it then traced to a professional Internet profile in the name of Terri Horman. The account was set up well before Kyron disappeared.

In the postings, Terri defends herself against all kinds of accusations.

More at: http://www.katu.com/news/local/97541389.html

http://www.shouze.com/

Portland criminal defense lawyer Stephen Houze has, for 35 years, maintained an exclusively criminal defense practice in Oregon's state and federal courts. His practice covers a wide spectrum of serious criminal matters, ranging from death penalty defense, a major federal terrorism case, white collar fraud and environmental cases, drug cases, sexual assault cases, and professional discipline matters.

The last comment on the second page was that they had heard a rumor that Kyron's body was found on Sauvie Island today!

Here's a video of Harry Oakes and his dogs searching!

I see Terri as being bloated perhaps by alcohol, depressed, yet trying to do the right thing. I see Kaine as a publicly likeable person. Behind closed doors he may be a self- serving egoist. That is unknown. Terri is helping raise his child. He met her during her care of Kyron. As a stay at home mom, she has little maneuverability. It is her job to care for the children. A woman’s sex drive is markedly decreased during the first two years of a child life (some theorists have biological survival instincts as the reason) The likelihood of her being sexually motivated so soon after the birth of an infant is very low.  Terri, once enjoyed body-building but has since seemed to let that take back-seat. We see her finding joy on Facebook in playing games. So, she has all the responsibilities of raising the children, has possibly neglected herself to do so, and her eldest child, is at odds with her husband.
 Desiree had taken out a protective order against Kaine, which may suggest a harmful aspect to Kaine; a man who leaves a woman during pregnancy, a woman who needs kidney therapy.  He,  in my mind,  is not the best in character if this is true. I think of this as a true egoist. Likely Desiree would find a common ground with Kaine as he holds her son in his possession. There is no other way than to try to get along. Did Kaine choose weaker women to satisfy his need for control? Was this man able to manipulate a couple of women to satisfy his own needs? He is not unintelligent.  I offer this opposing view for others to contemplate.  Criminology brings a collection of data to assist. Human beings bring their own life experiences. The jaded singular view cannot trump, but can aid in assessment as all data recorded is never truly all data. JMO

Many thanks to Eric and Cary of DreamLife Northwest for donating the use of a boat for Harry n dogs today, as well as a driver and the gas for the search for Kyron.  It's SO awesome that a local business would help out at a moments notice, for Kyron.  Heartwarming.  <monkey hugs!>

Here's their site:

http://www.dreamlifenorthwest.com/index.php (http://www.dreamlifenorthwest.com/index.php)

Can you provide a link to where Desiree took out a protective order against Kaine please?

Folks.......

As I've said before, I cannot make public anything that isn't officially released by LE. 

I will say that a sock was found today, it was seen in the video.  Nothing official yet about that sock. 

Also mentioned in the video was that the cadaver dogs hit on an area.  Harry is bringing out a second set of dogs tomorrow.  Fresh noses, so to speak.  If they hit on the same area, then LE will be notified. 

There's more that I'd like to say about what led him to this location, but think it best to wait til this search is over before publically saying anything specific. 

Please lift Kyron up.... in prayers, thoughts, whichever way works best for you.  And continue to keep those who love him in your thoughts and prayers, as well as Harry and his dogs. 

Thanks everyone! 

Folks.......

As I've said before, I cannot make public anything that isn't officially released by LE. 

I will say that a sock was found today, it was seen in the video.  Nothing official yet about that sock. 

Also mentioned in the video was that the cadaver dogs hit on an area.  Harry is bringing out a second set of dogs tomorrow.  Fresh noses, so to speak.  If they hit on the same area, then LE will be notified. 

There's more that I'd like to say about what led him to this location, but think it best to wait til this search is over before publically saying anything specific. 

Please lift Kyron up.... in prayers, thoughts, whichever way works best for you.  And continue to keep those who love him in your thoughts and prayers, as well as Harry and his dogs. 

Thanks everyone! 

Folks.......

As I've said before, I cannot make public anything that isn't officially released by LE. 

I will say that a sock was found today, it was seen in the video.  Nothing official yet about that sock. 

Also mentioned in the video was that the cadaver dogs hit on an area.  Harry is bringing out a second set of dogs tomorrow.  Fresh noses, so to speak.  If they hit on the same area, then LE will be notified. 

There's more that I'd like to say about what led him to this location, but think it best to wait til this search is over before publically saying anything specific. 

Please lift Kyron up.... in prayers, thoughts, whichever way works best for you.  And continue to keep those who love him in your thoughts and prayers, as well as Harry and his dogs. 

Thanks everyone! 

I so love NG .. not ... but probably Eastern Standard ... 10 is her usual time here and we are on EST.

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probably the maid of the cousins - stepbrothers- cousins- great aunt - twice removed-of the brothers- sister-in-laws - moms - dad's -cousins - great uncles - maid ...

<monkey smile>

Quite true, NRCG, and a very valid concern.  During the ex parte hearing, evidence is taken, and part of the judge's job is to judge the credibility of the witness(es).  Because of the emergency nature of a TRO, that's really it, with the exception that the lawyer seeking the TRO is an officer of the court and subject to discipline, up to and including disbarment, if he/she files for a TRO knowing the facts he/she is relying upon to support it are false.

Folks.......

As I've said before, I cannot make public anything that isn't officially released by LE. 

I will say that a sock was found today, it was seen in the video.  Nothing official yet about that sock. 

Also mentioned in the video was that the cadaver dogs hit on an area.  Harry is bringing out a second set of dogs tomorrow.  Fresh noses, so to speak.  If they hit on the same area, then LE will be notified. 

There's more that I'd like to say about what led him to this location, but think it best to wait til this search is over before publically saying anything specific. 

Please lift Kyron up.... in prayers, thoughts, whichever way works best for you.  And continue to keep those who love him in your thoughts and prayers, as well as Harry and his dogs. 

Thanks everyone! 

I had not seen Terri's mugshot before, thanks for the link. That is probably one of the best mugshots I've ever seen.  What if Kaine was having an affair, what if Terri by the day was getting more and more upset and depressed by that? Who knows what a person may do under those circumstances? Just a thought.

Thank you for all the updates everyone.  So she finally retained an attorney.  I have a nagging feeling about Kaine as well.  What I would like to know is if his whereabouts in the morning the day Kyron went missing can be verified?  Did he work from home the entire day or did he come home early and work from home half the day?  Did he really go into work if he only worked a half day? 

Supposedly he went to work in the morning and came home around noon time, and worked at home that afternoon. I have to say this again, why did he not bother to go to his son's science fair?

I can't really argue with what you just posted Itaryl Moosee, I pretty much am thinking the same thing, except for the fact I have a bad nagging feeling about Kaine, that just won't go away.

That is a very good question.  Gee I can't help but wonder if he really went to work and if he had planned on taking a half day to work at home why not take a half day in the morning and attend the science fair.

Morning Monkeys and guests...

I too have a bad feeling about Kaine. He seems to have the personality traits of my ex.
When I had my first child, I had quit working to focus on her. He was the only one working at the time and made it very clear who the breadwinner was. The money wasn't 'our money', it was 'his money.' He was very controlling and demanding. Kaine seems like he could be the same way. Family pics showing a smiling and involved Kaine could be deceiving. To quote Rob... 'a pic is just a second into ones life.'

I would also like to know why Desiree filed the RO against him. Could she a little more light on the family dynamics, or what Terri was dealing with on a daily basis.

I truly hope we have some news today, hoping for good news, but any news will work.

 http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=Kyron  (http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=Kyron)

Good morning Jess & Monkey's,

Jess would SM need to pay "restitution" for the searches if she were convicted of a crime?  I read on an Oregon
blog asking that question.  I haven't found anything clear according to Oregon laws pertaining to restitution in her case.

Thank-you

Yes, the judge may order restitution.  Revised ORS 137.106(1)(a) provides that the court "shall include in the judgment a requirement that the defendant pay the victim restitution in an amount that equals the full amount of the victim’s pecuniary damages as determined by the court."  ORS 137.103 defines "victim" as "any person whom the court determines has suffered pecuniary damages."  Further, ORS 174.100(5) defines "person" to include "individuals, corporations, associations." Thus, for the purposes of a restitution order under ORS 137.106, a "victim" includes any person or entity who suffered pecuniary losses as a result of the crime.  Relevant case law interprets "any person or entity" as including the state.  So if the state suffered "pecuniary damages" (that is, money damages) as a result of the crime, the court SHALL order restitution.

Well, she hires a criminal defense lawyer, not a divorce lawyer.

So, by now she understand that all the police "support" and patronizing has had more to do with them trying to squeeze evidence out of her than their wanting to console her.

Someone was saying yesterday that she planned on speaking to the media to give her side of the story. Chances are her attorney will pass on that idea.


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I do feel for her and her plight, but...

Too many times nowadays we see people murder for the stupidest of reasons, as if the life of others were not important.

Too sad when it is children that fall in these circumstances.

I do feel she is responsible for Kyron's death, and that she did plan on going to school and make her presence known to others that morning, and leave Kyron's jacket and book bag on his desk.

The plan was to make it appear as if he disappeared from the school, let others take the blame, maybe sue later on.

She did count on the crowd there that morning to create confusion, and on the teacher being a little "out of touch"... something she was aware of.

She didn't count on people doubting her story and not taking her word at face value.

I think she was being vindictive, and she is a very calculating person... though she appears that she can't hurt a fly.

But, the goose is cooked, time to fess up!

This is odd to me..... on NG last night, wednesday.... this is from the transcripts.... sloppy way of telling the story by NG??  She says this three, THREE times!!  In three different ways... Sloppy, or breaking news?  I vote sloppy, but you guys can tussle it out.  lol  It's already hit the net, folks saying this as having been reported on NG.  <rolls eyes>  OMG why can't she be more careful how she says what she does??  She spoke of Kyron in the first half of her show.

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GRACE: It`s my understanding, Heather in Indiana, that they did not, that the parents only discovered Kyron was not at school that day, or so they say, when they went to the bus stop together and he didn`t get off the bus. Then they find out he was never at school. And what that means, Heather in Indiana, is stepmom says 8:45 AM, she sees the little boy, she walks him down the hall, they get to his door, she leaves. He never made it in that door, Heather in Indiana.

<snip...... and further down in the transcripts>

NANCY GRACE, HOST:

blah blah blah...
blah blah blah...
down somemore..
and then this:

Well, when the father and the stepmother go to pick him up off the bus, he never came off the bus. That`s when the father learned he had never been at school that day. Although stepmom says she walked him almost all the way to his first class. And the bell rang and he was going in.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1006/30/ng.01.html (http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1006/30/ng.01.html)

ROB - if you believe Nancy Graces transcript, she's saying Kyron never was in school that day. 

Mornin Klaas, yeah I DID see that. I guess I don't know what to believe anymore. I hate when that happens.

How could the classmate have seen him? is that report erroneous? I could list other things too, but I'm not really sure it matters all that much. He was there or he wasn't. That's where it seems to be right now.

I really hate it when there are conflicting reports.

Thanks for bumpin' that forward. < smile >

I'm just thinking that kids get confused.  It's also possible that Kyron was there that morning early for Terri to get that photo of them then THEY left.

I'm just thinking that kids get confused.  It's also possible that Kyron was there that morning early for Terri to get that photo of them then THEY left.

I remember reading earlier in the case - like when it first occurred - that there was no video / security in this school? if that's correct - just WOW. What kind of school has no video these days?

I think this is the very reason schools have video surveillance. High speed internet seems like a luxury when the school doesn't even have a flippin video system.

I sure hope that report was wrong, but I haven't seen anything to counter it.

Regarding NG's comment about Kyron not being in school that Friday:

When I first read it I thought the same as many of you that she was saying he wasn't at Skyline that day, but upon reading it again I believe she meant he wasn't in "class" that day. He was AT the school, but not IN school.

I'm just thinking that kids get confused.  It's also possible that Kyron was there that morning early for Terri to get that photo of them then THEY left.

<snipped>
I thought about that too.  It would be interesting to know if they are able to pin down a date and time that the photo was snapped, I have to believe with memory cards and digital technology that this is possible and they are keeping this close to the vest.

Hi marycat!  Welcome!

I had another thought about the photo of Kyron in front of his science project.  Many people think the photo was photoshopped to change the date.  (I believe Wyks said it was on Terri's FB with a June 3rd date on it.)  What if the photo with the person in the plaid shirt was taken on the 3rd.  There is also a photo of the project with no one in it and a photo supposedly during the same time with Kyron in it.  What if Kyron's body was added to that photo at a later time to make it look like he was there on the 4th.  Many people have commented that it looks like his left arm is missing.  That seemed strange to me, too.  Maybe Terri was there on the 4th and she spoke of Kyron being down the hall or in the bathroom, and that is what people remember.  Maybe he wasn't there on the 4th, just Terri.  (Maybe this has been discussed before I started posting here again.) 

I just wonder if any of you have noticed a photo where Kyron was standing in a similar position that could have been combined with the empty science fair project photo.  (of course a photo like that could have been deleted. 

Maybe this is a silly idea, but it was a thought.  Brandi is so good with the photos, maybe she could consider this possibility.

Hi Monkey's,

Thank-you Jess for clearing up Oregon's Restitution Law.


O.T.

Mizz Nancy was Pranked:) Some wise less guy pulled a prank about the Family media chat at 10:00 am.

Doesn't NG assistant ask Questions when a call comes through?  When, Where, How, Who?

Hee, Hee.

That's not silly at all, I know nothing about pictures and photoshopping, who knows, anything is possible.

Oh, geez, thanks.

The PTA president for one states she saw Kyron and Terri at the fair that morning posing for that very picture that has been discussed. I suppose she could be in on it too, but chances are given others saw them as well, she was there with Kyron.

What we know, Kyron and Terri were there that morning. Terri claims she left him a few steps away from the classroom at 8:45 when the morning bell rang. From that point on, other then Tanners account we don't really know much of what happened at the school, where Terri was etc.... 

Hi Monkeys! This is my first time in this thread, but I always thought the same thing about digital photos. When it is snapped, the date/time is stamped on the card. There is no way to alter that as I far as I understand. I'm still fairly confused with this whole case and am not sure who is responsible. At this moment I tend to lean toward the parents (SM) as most likely. The problem is there really is so much unknown or unconfirmed about this case it's hard to feel completely sure about anything. I mean has anyone confirmed that he was there at school that morning? I mean other than media reports? If he was actually there at school it makes it harder for me to believe SM took him then left with him and killed him. If there is no proof he was there that morning, or that photo was not taken that morning, then I think that looks really bad for SM.

No, we sure don't. I sure see no reason why the PTA president would lie about this. Am I the only one who found it odd that when the pic of Kyron was taken next to his project there wasn't a lot of people milling about? I remember us going to many school functions and in pics we took there was always random people in the pictures. It sure didn't look busy the time the picture was taken.

Hi marycat!  Welcome!

I had another thought about the photo of Kyron in front of his science project.  Many people think the photo was photoshopped to change the date.  (I believe Wyks said it was on Terri's FB with a June 3rd date on it.)  What if the photo with the person in the plaid shirt was taken on the 3rd.  There is also a photo of the project with no one in it and a photo supposedly during the same time with Kyron in it.  What if Kyron's body was added to that photo at a later time to make it look like he was there on the 4th.  Many people have commented that it looks like his left arm is missing.  That seemed strange to me, too.  Maybe Terri was there on the 4th and she spoke of Kyron being down the hall or in the bathroom, and that is what people remember.  Maybe he wasn't there on the 4th, just Terri.  (Maybe this has been discussed before I started posting here again.) 

I just wonder if any of you have noticed a photo where Kyron was standing in a similar position that could have been combined with the empty science fair project photo.  (of course a photo like that could have been deleted. 

Maybe this is a silly idea, but it was a thought.  Brandi is so good with the photos, maybe she could consider this possibility.

I can't see the need to photoshop the pics.

Actually just changing the date in the camera would be easier - then you simply click and take your picture.

That's easy.

The date is stamped as the date you choose and then you change the date back to the correct date.

Ahhh thank you Rob - I have never messed with the date on my camera - in fact I would have no idea how to but that makes sense.

I'm just thinking that kids get confused.  It's also possible that Kyron was there that morning early for Terri to get that photo of them then THEY left.

Ahhh thank you Rob - I have never messed with the date on my camera - in fact I would have no idea how to but that makes sense.

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Anyway, Rob, are referring to the date that is stamped on the front of the pic that can be seen when looking at the photo? Or do you mean the date/time that is stamped in the properties of the photo?

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Anyway, Rob, are referring to the date that is stamped on the front of the pic that can be seen when looking at the photo? Or do you mean the date/time that is stamped in the properties of the photo?

That could very well be, that more parents came later to view the science fair, after the picture was taken.

no rose

I could understand Terri and Kyron not being noticed in the commotion of a crowd of parents/teachers/students.  However ... the photo implies there was no crowd.  Therefore ... those who were present should be able to positively confirm Terri and Kyron presence.  IMO

Janet

So far we don't have much info from the police. We don't know who saw Terri at all. There could have been people that have indicated that they have seen her in their flyers that they have mailed back.

But let's just say for a second that no one has seen her - couldn't that also be true for an unknown pedophile? Doesn't seem like anyone was really paying attention to anything that morning. Just a bunch of automatons bumping about.

most of the missing person cases I have seen have a lil bit of luck involved for the person to successfully make the abduction and then make their getaway. 

TEACHER WITNESSES

Details emerge about the day Kyron Horman turned up missing
Published: Saturday, June 05, 2010, 11:21 PM
Updated: Friday, June 18, 2010, 5:02 PM

Terri often volunteers at the school, working closely with Kyron's teacher, Kristina Porter. Shelby said that Porter saw Kyron in her classroom with his stepmom before 8:45 a.m. and another instructor reported seeing him in another classroom at some point.

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/details_emerge_about_the_day_k.html


Kyron Horman disappears during Oregon school science fair
June 7, 2010

Portland Public Schools spokesman Matt Shelby said two teachers saw Kyron with his stepmother and thought the two left school together.

http://origin.ksdk.com/news/national/story.aspx?storyid=203651&catid=28

Amber Dubois was abducted right near her school with people walking near by and seemingly no one saw anything. Lindsay Baum was walking in her neighborhood and no one seems to have seen anything. There are more cases here in our archives that detail this same scenario again and again.

It seems like a cruel twist of fate that sometimes people are looking in another direction and miss what has occurred.

THE BACKPACK … THE COAT … THE WITNESSES

Details emerge about the day Kyron Horman turned up missing
Published: Saturday, June 05, 2010, 11:21 PM
Updated: Friday, June 18, 2010, 5:02 PM

Instead of taking the bus near his home off Cornelius Pass Road as usual, he hopped into the car with his stepmother, Terri Moulton Horman, who drove him to Skyline Elementary School.

They arrived sometime after the school opened about 8 a.m., went to his classroom, dropped off his coat and backpack and he showed his stepmother his exhibit, "The Red-Eyed Tree Frog."

Horman, who has raised Kyron since he was an infant, snapped a picture of him standing in front of it that she later posted on her Facebook page. .....
 
Terri often volunteers at the school, working closely with Kyron's teacher, Kristina Porter. Shelby said that Porter saw Kyron in her classroom with his stepmom before 8:45 a.m. and another instructor reported seeing him in another classroom at some point.

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/details_emerge_about_the_day_k.html


Kyron Horman disappears during Oregon school science fair
June 7, 2010

Portland Public Schools spokesman Matt Shelby said ]two teachers saw Kyron with his stepmother and thought the two left school together.

http://origin.ksdk.com/news/national/story.aspx?storyid=203651&catid=28

Sources: Search for Kyron Horman Focuses on Step-Mom, Cell Records
4:52 PM June 17th, 2010

The island is more than five miles from rural Skyline Elementary School, where Horman was reported missing June 4. But rescuers on horseback, on foot and in dive teams have repeatedly scoured the island beginning around June 10 and continuing this week — even after Multnomah County Sheriff Dan Staton called off other major search operations last Sunday.

WW has learned that federal, county and city law-enforcement officials say the reason for the search of Sauvie Island is that cell-phone records reveal Kyron’s step-mother, Terri Moulton Horman, may have been on the island the day he disappeared.

http://blogs.wweek.com/news/2010/06/17/sources-search-for-kyron-horman-focuses-on-step-mom-cell-records/

Good afternoon Monkey's,

I was popped out of the Cage so I went gleaning.  I discovered the news conference is occuring (or did)
the meeting is closed to public and is not streamed. The Press was included in this Pow Wow. The time zone
may have been West Coast Time slot.

I remember reading earlier in the case - like when it first occurred - that there was no video / security in this school? if that's correct - just WOW. What kind of school has no video these days?

I think this is the very reason schools have video surveillance. High speed internet seems like a luxury when the school doesn't even have a flippin video system.

I sure hope that report was wrong, but I haven't seen anything to counter it.

Blonde - I took a real close look at it and I disagree.  I think what you are seeing there is normal shadow.  There area alot of shadows in that photo.  I'd stake my life on it not being a photoshop job.

This last photo of Kyron looks odd to me like ge was put in the picture look
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/K.jpg)

Blonde - I took a real close look at it and I disagree.  I think what you are seeing there is normal shadow.  There area alot of shadows in that photo.  I'd stake my life on it not being a photoshop job.

Hi Brandi, thanks for my 4th of July QM!! (http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae277/smileysonly/unclesam.gif)

I don't know why that shadow is in that pic. I have seen it before in pics (not of Kyron), and gather it has something do with lighting & movement. Kryon may have moved ever so slightly when the pic was taken. Something to that effect.

Here is that same photo from one of the original articles.  I haven't done a thing to it:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub8/kyron3jpg-42b82154c5c24430.jpg)

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/noglass.jpg)

The eyeglass photos show an exact match of the model, brand and color of Kyron's frames.

Later in the day, officials released a photo of Kyron Horman that was altered "only to the extent to remove the eye glasses. This has been done to provide a photo to the public to show what Kyron would look like without eye glasses."
Multnomah County sheriff's officials earlier displayed items of clothing that matched what the second-grader was wearing when he vanished June 4 from Skyline School after a morning science fair:  black T-shirt with a logo from "CSI," dark gray cargo pants, Hanes brand white socks and child's size 11 Skechers sneakers.

Let me sum it all up for ya'll then.

1. Kaine: Yes I filed papers for divorces and a RO. I can not comment further.
2. Desiree: We are still moving forward with the search for Kyron and are working with LE.
3. All: We can not comment about Terri.


The ONLY thing that might come of this is............
4. Kaine: LE has informed us that Terri is a POI, we can not comment further.
This is from Blackpelican on InSessions board, about the press conference given by mom and dad today.

When I look at this comparison this is what I see.  I see a LOST expression, as if they cannot believe what THEY have done.

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub8/MelissaTerriCompare.jpg)

Much better quality image!

Looked like she used a flash.

Looks perfectly fine to me.

This is a nice real picture I do think the other was worked on..
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/-4b459699f5912684_custom_665xauto.jpg)

Yes Klaas, I entirely agree. With every ounce of my being, I think Melissa was part of a much larger group and just the fall guy.
Daddy Lawless was investigated for child sex abuse
Grandpa Horman was accused of sexual molestation.
Timothy Lawless, arrested for the same exact charge as Melissa
Kristian Horman is arrested for child molestation. (LE ADMITTED THEY WERE LOOKING AT KRISTIAN)
Sandra Cantu is found in a suitcase in water
LE is looking for a suitcase in water searching for KyronHave we found any religious ties with these families or ancestry?
I saw that Terri seemed to be religious from her Facebook.
Weren’t there a lot of adoptions in these families as there were with the Lawless clan?
I am concerned about Desiree's RO on Kaine stating her fear he was going to take the children away.
If Terri's phone was pinging on Sauvie, did someone else have her phone? I would think a CSI fan would understand phone pings as we here do.

Off to celebrate Canada Day (July 1st) activities with four of our grandkids (7-12).  Mom and Dad are involved with the organization of events so ... Papa and Mama are where it is at for the most part.  Fireworks at 10:00 PM will officially end the day.

Have a good day all!

Janet
1:00 PM PT

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/missing-oregan-boy-kyron-horman-stepmother-terri-horman-11061709

Interesting info.

Happy Canada Day, sounds like a lot of fun.

No Rose -

Please post the facebook link or the Willamette link so we can check out that allegation, otherwise it's just talk and no substance.

I don't have it, that is why I brought the post over and wondered if anyone else had read that. I can go back and see if maybe now there is a link.

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Missing-Kyron-Horman/125336750831264

Thank-you, very interesting.

Sorry if already posted.

Kyron Horman’s Family Boots WW and The Oregonian from Bizarre News Event

http://blogs.wweek.com/news/2010/07/01/kyron-hormans-family-boots-ww-and-the-oregonian/ (http://blogs.wweek.com/news/2010/07/01/kyron-hormans-family-boots-ww-and-the-oregonian/)

The saga of missing 7-year-old Kyron Horman got a little more bizarre today at a news conference held this morning by the boy’s family.

The event at Brooks Hill Historic Church was arranged on Wednesday by Kyron’s father Kaine Horman, biological mother Desiree Young and her husband, Medford Police Detective Tony Young.

Absent was Terri Moulton Horman, the stepmom investigators say was the last person known to have seen Kyron before his June 4 disappearance. Kaine Horman filed for divorce and a restraining order against her earlier this week. And she’s since hired star criminal defense attorney Stephen Houze.

Today, Kaine Horman and the Youngs sat at the head of a table in a room filled with more than two dozen national and local reporters for print, TV and radio. As the meeting began at 10 a.m., Kaine Horman started out by explaining “the agenda.” This wasn’t going to be a typical press conference.

Horman said the family’s goal was to make “the story” about Kyron. With news of the divorce and investigators homing in on the stepmom, media coverage (including in WW) has increasingly focused on Kyron’s troubled family.

First came Horman’s “ground rules,” as he described them. No cameras. No recordings. Everything was off the record and couldn’t be reported, unless agreed otherwise. Horman made everyone in the room agree to these rules before proceeding. And so this roomful of reporters consented, in essence, not to be reporters.

Horman then laid out how the meeting would go. They would take questions, make some phone calls (presumably to investigators, to find out what they could say in their answers), then return and make an on-the-record statement. But first, Horman wanted all the reporters he didn’t know to introduce themselves.

One more thing, Kaine working for Intel would give him computer expertise no? Access to Terri's phone, computer, knowledge of pings, piggybacking. Timothy Lawless was also a computer expert. Dunno if Kaine is any sort of expert, just putting it out there since he does work for Intel. Lawless clan do have a place in Oregon where Mommy Lawless threatened to disappear with Melissa's daughter so the birth father couldn't see his child. Where is Doubledecker? Can someone ask her to see if there are any ties between these clans by either churches or ancestry?

Wow, here's just part of that article;

Controlling much?

Sorry if already posted.

Kyron Horman’s Family Boots WW and The Oregonian from Bizarre News Event

http://blogs.wweek.com/news/2010/07/01/kyron-hormans-family-boots-ww-and-the-oregonian/ (http://blogs.wweek.com/news/2010/07/01/kyron-hormans-family-boots-ww-and-the-oregonian/)

Intel is a chipmaker. Sorta different than being a code writer for say, Microsoft.

Chip are processors, such as a Celeron.

Sorry if already posted.  Just logged in and saw this too:


BREAKING NEWS:

Kyron Horman's mother Desiree Young gives press a statement asking Terri Horman to cooperate with investigators. More details and video soon.

http://www.katu.com/ (http://www.katu.com/)

Kaine is an engineer at Intel. He works (or worked) at the company's Jones Farm campus in Hillsboro, in the architecture group. (At the time of his first divorce.) That's all I can find on his employment at Intel so far.

Been hard to read everything and post today, so not sure if this has been mentioned yet.

(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/Kyron/Image176.png)

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/07/kyron_horman_search_family_mem.html

This........ on the heels of the family refusing to give HO a scent article to help find Kyron. 

(http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq117/Wyks_/Smilies/zippedmouth.gif)

Sorry if already posted.

Kyron Horman’s Family Boots WW and The Oregonian from Bizarre News Event

http://blogs.wweek.com/news/2010/07/01/kyron-hormans-family-boots-ww-and-the-oregonian/ (http://blogs.wweek.com/news/2010/07/01/kyron-hormans-family-boots-ww-and-the-oregonian/)

Thank you Wyks.

I have to say - this is not some complex out this world abduction scheme that some are making it out to be. IF Terri IS the POI, and I have no doubt she is in the eyes of the police, who in their right mind places themselves with the missing person. And then takes pictures? It's crazy.

What kind of reverse psychological craziness is that?

I have no idea if she did this cause I wasn't there, but from what I have read - this is the weirdest abduction case I can ever remember.

Thanks Brandi and I love the pics you have been putting together - your kung-fu is strong!

I was just making the point that Intel and being a computer expert are slightly different.

Like someone who works at auto zone selling car accessories is in the auto industry, but not an expert mechanic.

Intel is vital to the computer industry, but they essentially a parts supplier to computer manufacturers, such as HP and Dell.

Thank you Wyks.

I have to say - this is not some complex out this world abduction scheme that some are making it out to be. IF Terri IS the POI, and I have no doubt she is in the eyes of the police, who in their right mind places themselves with the missing person. And then takes pictures? It's crazy.

What kind of reverse psychological craziness is that?

I have no idea if she did this cause I wasn't there, but from what I have read - this is the weirdest abduction case I can ever remember.

Ok, one more point about this lol.

How much more can this woman cooperate? She has given two voluntary polygraphs. How many have you taken Desiree? have you been cleared?

What Desiree really meant to say, in my opinion, is - Take the police to the body, but didn't want to offend everyone nationwide with a possible wild accusation and possibly garner sympathy for Terri.

This........ on the heels of the family refusing to give HO a scent article to help find Kyron. 

(http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq117/Wyks_/Smilies/zippedmouth.gif)

Control freak, and I'll leave it at that. This is all ridiculous, what was the point to this news conference?

Sorry if already posted.

Kyron Horman’s Family Boots WW and The Oregonian from Bizarre News Event

http://blogs.wweek.com/news/2010/07/01/kyron-hormans-family-boots-ww-and-the-oregonian/ (http://blogs.wweek.com/news/2010/07/01/kyron-hormans-family-boots-ww-and-the-oregonian/)

This........ on the heels of the family refusing to give HO a scent article to help find Kyron. 

(http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq117/Wyks_/Smilies/zippedmouth.gif)

Sorry if already posted.

Kyron Horman’s Family Boots WW and The Oregonian from Bizarre News Event

http://blogs.wweek.com/news/2010/07/01/kyron-hormans-family-boots-ww-and-the-oregonian/ (http://blogs.wweek.com/news/2010/07/01/kyron-hormans-family-boots-ww-and-the-oregonian/)

Thanks Wyks, also did you hear about the sock being found not being Kyron's sock? Don't know if it is true or not, so thought I would ask you.

I think Desiree's message to Terri is: "Tell the truth."

JMO