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Kyron Horman's father recalls when marriage to Terri Horman began to sour
Published: Thursday, July 08, 2010, 7:59 PM     Updated: Thursday, July 08, 2010, 8:23 PM

The father of missing second-grader Kyron Horman said today that his marriage to the boy's stepmom began to grow rocky after she gave birth to their little girl 19 months ago.

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If you haven't done so already, please light a candle for Kyron:

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=Kyron (http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=Kyron)

<hugs> to all .. regardless of opinions.

Peace -
I like the way you post, so I'd like to add my thoughts.

Terri hasn't been charged with anything.  If they had the goods, she'd have been charged by now.
The police aren't saying much because, IMO, they know they've screwed up the investigation.
The Lawn Man, it's just his supposed word against her word.  They cancel each other out without proof.  IMO
LE has said that they did investigate Kristian pertaining to this case.  He's already in jail, so if something's up, they aren't going to be in a hurry to charge him just yet. IMO
Kaine's mention of a "safe house" (good catch by the poster who made some very good points).
Desiree says Kyron is alive.  She's appealing to Terri and says to "do it for TH's kids)

I can envision  a scenario where TH believes either Kaine or Kristian have molested/or been "inappropriate" with Kyron.  She passes him on to a "safe house".  She can't pass a poly because she has guilty knowledge, but doesn't truly know where Kyron is.  LE can't charge her without proof, that's why there is no movement.  Kaine trumped up the RO (IMO) to make her look like she's a liar so that when she claims abuse, he can say "look, she's lying AGAIN".

I think that would tie up the ends for me and that may be a theory I could subscribe to.  Why did they hesitate at today's presser when asked if TH may have had an accomplice?  Maybe they suspect Tanner's  ex-stepmom but didn't want to say it?

Kaine Horman added that he was upset about Terri occupying the family home, thereby keeping him and his daughter out of it.

"Displacing a child for the comfort of an adult," Kaine Horman said today. "I think we all have our opinions on how appropriate that is."

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/07/kyron_hormans_father_recalls_w.html (http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/07/kyron_hormans_father_recalls_w.html)

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Ummmm...

Somebody help me here, plz. 

Didn't Kaine make the move out of the home, supposedly on the advice/suggestion/approval/help of LE? 

And wasn't that done without Terri's knowledge until after the fact?  Yet SHE is keeping HIM out of their home?  Huh?? 

Couldn't he have just as easily, while gaining the exparte TRO have had it state that Terri was to leave the home, while LE stood by, waiting to escort her off the property?  (that's what a good majority of folks do, myself included, when ex-hubs was kicked to the curb.) 

Why didn't Kaine think of how 'appropriate' it was then, for the baby to be made to leave the comfort of her own home?

Does it seem to anyone else that Kaine is now blaming Terri for having 'displaced' him and the baby??? 

I am like WTH?? 

 

I hear you Wyks! It is all just a bit too pat for Kaine in my opinion. Correct me if I am wrong. Didn't Kaine have an affair when he was married to Desiree and she was pregnant? Then he marries Terri and has a child. Now he supposedly is having yet another affair and she is pregnant? Women seem rather disposable to Kaine.

This is yet another myth bandied about on this forum but not proven anywhere.

I hear you Wyks! It is all just a bit too pat for Kaine in my opinion. Correct me if I am wrong. Didn't Kaine have an affair when he was married to Desiree and she was pregnant? Then he marries Terri and has a child. Now he supposedly is having yet another affair and she is pregnant? Women seem rather disposable to Kaine.

Wyks - the way I see it Kaine had no idea that Terri had tried to hire someone to kill him.  I imagine the whole thing came as quite a shock.  That coupled with knowing that Terri had failed the first poly and LE telling them (Kaine and Kaira) that they suspected Terri was also responsible for Kyron missing and that they should distance themselves would be enough for me to move out as well.

Did LE tell Kaine to get out before they attempted the sting?  If LE told Kaine to leave what else could he do but leave?  Now he'd like to get back into his home with Kiara and of course, Terri needs to leave. 

I don't have a problem with this.

Watching the press conference tonight, I did not get the feeling that Kaine was controlling at all.  He does seem determined to find Kyron though as does Desiree.

Wyks - the way I see it Kaine had no idea that Terri had tried to hire someone to kill him.  I imagine the whole thing came as quite a shock.  That coupled with knowing that Terri had failed the first poly and LE telling them (Kaine and Kaira) that they suspected Terri was also responsible for Kyron missing and that they should distance themselves would be enough for me to move out as well.

Did LE tell Kaine to get out before they attempted the sting?  If LE told Kaine to leave what else could he do but leave?  Now he'd like to get back into his home with Kiara and of course, Terri needs to leave. 

I don't have a problem with this.

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Hi Monkeys!

Have not posted in a long time, but Kyron's case has brought me back.  My son is the same age and is so much alike.  For some reason this picture makes the hair on my neck stand up.  It was this press conference where my gut was telling me that Terri knows what happened to Kyron.  It's turning out that my gut feeling just might be right.  Unfortunately, I do believe he was harmed.

Lisa

Without justifying Terri's actions ... in my world ... Kaine must take responsibility in the chain of events that led to the murder for hire plot and the disappearance of his son IF he was having an affair ... IF he was living off and on with his mistress and ... IF his mistress is pregnant.

If a marriage is fracture ... cannot be fixed ... it does not imply that there is justification for putting a wife through a H--- on Earth.

Janet

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Kyron Horman's father recalls when marriage to Terri Horman began to sour
Published: Thursday, July 08, 2010, 7:59 PM
Updated: Thursday, July 08, 2010, 10:01 PM

The father of missing second-grader Kyron Horman said Thursday that his marriage to the boy's stepmom began to grow rocky after she gave birth to their little girl 19 months ago.

"I thought the marriage was doing pretty well," Kaine Horman said during a one-on-one interview with The Oregonian, "until we had our daughter, Kiara."

Horman declined to go into details about the fractured marriage to Terri Moulton Horman.  But the 36-year-old software engineer said he believes what he wrote in a June 28 restraining order against his estranged wife: She tried to hire someone to kill him.

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/07/kyron_hormans_father_recalls_w.html

Hi txlisa.

It is also a perfect shot of Desiree tensing up, almost recoiling from Terri's attempt at hugging her. It was mentioned in tonight's presser. It is a chilling shot on several levels to me.

Without justifying Terri's actions ... in my world ... Kaine must take responsibility in the chain of events that led to the murder for hire plot and the disappearance of his son IF he was having an affair ... IF he was living off and on with his mistress and ... IF his mistress is pregnant.

If a marriage is fracture ... cannot be fixed ... it does not imply that there is justification for putting a wife through a H--- on Earth.

Janet

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Kyron Horman's father recalls when marriage to Terri Horman began to sour
Published: Thursday, July 08, 2010, 7:59 PM
Updated: Thursday, July 08, 2010, 10:01 PM

The father of missing second-grader Kyron Horman said Thursday that his marriage to the boy's stepmom began to grow rocky after she gave birth to their little girl 19 months ago.

"I thought the marriage was doing pretty well," Kaine Horman said during a one-on-one interview with The Oregonian, "until we had our daughter, Kiara."

Horman declined to go into details about the fractured marriage to Terri Moulton Horman.  But the 36-year-old software engineer said he believes what he wrote in a June 28 restraining order against his estranged wife: She tried to hire someone to kill him.

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/07/kyron_hormans_father_recalls_w.html

Chilling for that reason and the fact that Terri seems to be "studying" Desiree's face.  Like she is almost relishing seeing her in so much pain. 

Lisa

Janet IF this rumor is based on fact then I so agree with you. I have never understood why people cheat on each other. Just leave the other person and do what you want. I really want to know if this is true about Kaine and this other woman.

Watching the press conference tonight, I did not get the feeling that Kaine was controlling at all.  He does seem determined to find Kyron though as does Desiree.

In the interview where Kaine was talking about that morning, Kyron having fed the cat, etc.....  While he was saying all that, he referred twice to the 'car'.  He drove the car to work that morning.  Have only heard it reported that they own the white truck and the red mustang, do they own another 'car'? 

And we've heard from LE that Terri took the white truck that morning to give Kyron a ride to school. 

So the picture I have in my mind is that Kaine took the red mustang to work while Terri/Kyron took the white truck to school. 

Did she take her cell phone with her that day, or did she leave it in the car?  The car that Kaine took to work. 

Terri's cell phone supposedly pinged from/near Sauvie Island that morning, at a time she had told LE she was somewhere else.  (According to locals, there are no cell towers on Sauvie Island.  Near it, in the water, but not on it).     

(reported by local - rumor?) Red mustang supposedly spotted on Sauvie Island at 11a, supposedly reported to LE by witnesses.  How many red mustangs are in that area?
   
*If* it was her red mustang that was supposedly seen on Sauvie, who was driving it at around 11a?  I would think it would still have been parked at Intel.  Kaine reports that he got home about 1.45p. 

Did Terri hop in the white truck at school, drive it to his work at some point that morning, trade truck for car, leave driving the red mustang?  If so, did she drive to Sauvie, and if so, why would she tell LE she was somewhere else?   
 
Or... could Kaine have been driving the red mustang, with her cell phone inside, at/near Sauvie that day?  If so, what the heck was he doing there, rather than being at work as reported? 

Anyone know how close Intel is to Sauvie Island?  If close by, could her phone have pinged from the red mustang, parked at his work? 

Dunno if any of these questions have answers yet.. Most are rhetorical. 

Kaine Horman: Kyron’s Stepmom Suffered Post-Partum Depression
11:05 PM July 8th, 2010 by James Pitkin
Kaine Horman, father of missing 7-year-old Kyron Horman, told WW in an interview tonight Kyron’s stepmom suffered from post-partum depression and may have been hiding it when the boy disappeared.

“She went through some pretty bad post-partum as a result of the pregnancy. She was on medication from the doctor,” said Kaine Horman, who gave a series of brief interviews this evening, mainly to national news outlets.

Horman was accompanied by Kyron’s biological mother, Desiree Young.

Kyron disappeared from Skyline K-8 School on June 4. His stepmom, Terri Moulton Horman, was the last person known to have seen him, investigators have said. The investigation increasingly has focused on her.

Kaine Horman filed for divorce and a restraining order on June 28 citing alleged plans by Terri Moulton Horman to have him killed. He told WW the illness came on after the birth of their daughter Kiara 19 months ago and lasted well over a year.

“As far as I’m concerned, probably up until a month or two before Kyron was gone — and then she could have been hiding it at that point,” Kaine Horman said.

He said the illness manifested in rapid mood swings.

“It wasn’t anything that was overly violent in nature,” Horman said. “It was just really erratic types of swings, from being very emotional to suddenly being very frustrated.”

Horman said he’s not sure what type of medication his wife was on or when she stopped taking it.

“I was just supposed to watch her closely for a six-month period, which I did do,” he said. “And after the six months, things seemed to be OK.”

http://blogs.wweek.com/news/2010/07/08/kaine-horman-kyrons-stepmom-suffered-post-partum-depression/

So, "he was supposed to watch TH closely for a six month period", which he claims "he did". Yet, he is not sure what type of medication she was on or when she stopped taking it??????

Also, how can both of these statements be true?

1. “I was just supposed to watch her closely for a six-month period, which I did do,” he said. “And after the six months, things seemed to be OK.”

2. "He told WW the illness came on after the birth of their daughter Kiara 19 months ago and lasted well over a year."

Wyks - the way I see it Kaine had no idea that Terri had tried to hire someone to kill him.  I imagine the whole thing came as quite a shock.  That coupled with knowing that Terri had failed the first poly and LE telling them (Kaine and Kaira) that they suspected Terri was also responsible for Kyron missing and that they should distance themselves would be enough for me to move out as well.

Did LE tell Kaine to get out before they attempted the sting?  If LE told Kaine to leave what else could he do but leave?  Now he'd like to get back into his home with Kiara and of course, Terri needs to leave. 

I don't have a problem with this.

Either Kaine is the worlds greatest manipulator or they know something that we do not know. I can come up with a million reasons why Kaine would want to throw TH under the bus, but he obviously convinced Desiree, her husband and LE

Wow.
I think Kaine is in possession of a lot more information than we are. He has formed his opinions, and he is making his statements based on things we don't know. LE and the parents of Kyron know way more than they are telling. I certainly don't expect them to divulge more than they should just to satisfy the curiosity of the public.
Desiree's husband is LE, and I'm sure he had it figured out before Kaine did.

I have not seen a lack of "divulging information" where TH is concerned. Kaine seems perfectly willing to paint her in a bad light. The question in my mind is "why"? What was the point tonight talking about her "alleged" post partum depression? He supposedly monitored his wife for 6 months and then he said a year. Then he stated that he did not know what medications she was on and how much she was taken. Then he said that she may still have been depressed and had been hiding it for the last month or two? I just find that whole interview odd at best. I am obviously still on the fence with regards to where Kyron is and what happened to him. I only hope that he is alive and well.

In the interview where Kaine was talking about that morning, Kyron having fed the cat, etc.....  While he was saying all that, he referred twice to the 'car'.  He drove the car to work that morning.  Have only heard it reported that they own the white truck and the red mustang, do they own another 'car'? 

And we've heard from LE that Terri took the white truck that morning to give Kyron a ride to school. 

So the picture I have in my mind is that Kaine took the red mustang to work while Terri/Kyron took the white truck to school. 

Did she take her cell phone with her that day, or did she leave it in the car?  The car that Kaine took to work. 

Terri's cell phone supposedly pinged from/near Sauvie Island that morning, at a time she had told LE she was somewhere else.  (According to locals, there are no cell towers on Sauvie Island.  Near it, in the water, but not on it).     

(reported by local - rumor?) Red mustang supposedly spotted on Sauvie Island at 11a, supposedly reported to LE by witnesses.  How many red mustangs are in that area?
   
*If* it was her red mustang that was supposedly seen on Sauvie, who was driving it at around 11a?  I would think it would still have been parked at Intel.  Kaine reports that he got home about 1.45p. 

Did Terri hop in the white truck at school, drive it to his work at some point that morning, trade truck for car, leave driving the red mustang?  If so, did she drive to Sauvie, and if so, why would she tell LE she was somewhere else?   
 
Or... could Kaine have been driving the red mustang, with her cell phone inside, at/near Sauvie that day?  If so, what the heck was he doing there, rather than being at work as reported? 

Anyone know how close Intel is to Sauvie Island?  If close by, could her phone have pinged from the red mustang, parked at his work? 

Dunno if any of these questions have answers yet.. Most are rhetorical. 

Um....I was saying that Kaine and Desiree have been given information by LE that we, as internet posters, do not have. He can make informed decisions while we are just guessing about a lot of things. Tony is LE, so I'm sure his experience and knowledge is being utilized as well.
Kaine is answering questions that were asked of him, not throwing Terri under the bus. But even if he was, I wouldn't blame him. She tried to hire someone to kill him, and she is involved in his son's disappearance. I don't blame him for no longer wanting to protect her. She does not deserve it. She has caused tremendous harm. She is refusing to help Kyron. Why would Kaine be concerned with Terri's feelings at this point?

Some of the info posters are using to form opinions are nothing more than internet rumors, and miscomprehensions. They appear on one blog, get taken as fact, and make their way around the web. It's very disturbing.

LE does not owe us any information, and I'm sure they have asked Kyron's parents to keep some things to themselves in order to help find Kyron. I think Kaine, Tony and Desiree care about that little boy, and getting him home,more than anything.

Terri is all about protecting herself.

The father of missing second-grader Kyron Horman said today that his marriage to the boy's stepmom began to grow rocky after she gave birth to their little girl 19 months ago.
First, that happens, second, postpartum depression, which I figured all along. He watched her closely for months and she seemed better, but doesn't know the meds she was on. If not treated properly it manifests, and obviously to me it did, and look what has happened. Hit man, Kyron gone. And some people, I'm not accusing Kaine, when a family member has a mental illness/disorder, sometimes it is a lot easier to turn your head away, and think it will all get better. It doesn't, and you have this. The woman is mental, hope she is on the right meds, and perhaps then she will talk to her lawyer, but if not I don't see it happening. Somewhere along the way the ball was dropped, what I want to know is what was she doing in that house, was she dilusional, paranoid, violent, focusing inward and depressed, feelings of no self worth. Important and hope she is seeing someone who is treating her, and then maybe answers.

Good Morning monkeys,
 I agree no rose, it does appear she was spinning out of control. We see it with the weight gain, the hiring of someone you barely know to off your husband, the immersion in computer games, etc. How could Kaine not know what medication she was on? Obviously he was not monitoring that closely. Even if it was over a year ago, you would remember some of the details. Did Terri see a counselor? Did Kaine go to her dr. appt.s with her? Post partum depression is serious and can be dangerous. Was she left alone with the children for long periods of time? When was her last doctor appt. re: the depression? I think the ball was dropped and your right no rose, sometimes people turn a blind eye because they have a hard time dealing with the illness.
Did Terri have help from the family?

Good Morning monkeys,
 I agree no rose, it does appear she was spinning out of control. We see it with the weight gain, the hiring of someone you barely know to off your husband, the immersion in computer games, etc. How could Kaine not know what medication she was on? Obviously he was not monitoring that closely. Even if it was over a year ago, you would remember some of the details. Did Terri see a counselor? Did Kaine go to her dr. appt.s with her? Post partum depression is serious and can be dangerous. Was she left alone with the children for long periods of time? When was her last doctor appt. re: the depression? I think the ball was dropped and your right no rose, sometimes people turn a blind eye because they have a hard time dealing with the illness.
Did Terri have help from the family?

ABCNews - GMA

Kyron Horman's Father Says Chances of Wife Being Innocent are 'Small'

Kaine Horman Says Estranged Wife Became Erratic After the Birth of Their Daughter

MIKE von FREMD and SARAH NETTER
PORTLAND, Ore. July 9, 2010

The father of missing Oregon second-grader Kyron Horman said there is little doubt that his estranged wife had something to do with his son's disappearance.

"I think the percentages are so small that I have no optimism in that regard, no," Kaine Horman said when asked if there was any chance his wife, Terri Horman, was innocent.

Horman, who spoke to "Good Morning America" alongside his ex-wife and Kyron's mother, Desiree Young, said Terri Horman seemed to change after the birth of their 19-month-old daughter, Kiara.

"She went through some post-partum depression after the birth and her emotional state was more erratic," Horman said.

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/kyron-horm...ry?id=11124144

mediamama, if Desiree was feeling bad things about Terri for years, why did she not try to get Kyron more often? I admit I don't know a lot about the law, and custody and things, but I know that I would have tried to do something. If Kaine had just a thought about Terri doing harm, why was not more done? Just questions swirling around in my head.

Are there any locals here that know anything about Suave Island? From the pictures I have seen sure is gorgeous. "IF" TH did something to Kyron and he is hidden somewhere, perhaps Suave Island, where could it be?

I know, I agree, but maybe she has been conflicted this entire time - feeling something 'off' about Terri yet knowing that Kyron and Kaine deserved to be in one another's lives as well. And I guess I just don't know what she could have said that would have convinced Kaine or a court to reevaluate their custody agreement - "I have a weird vibe about your new wife"? The thought that Desiree has something in her past has crossed my mind too (I am referring to her stint in Canada here); perhaps she knew if she played the 'squeaky wheel' too loudly or too often, said past issue might surface and bite her in the a$$.

I don't know. What a mess. I feel so badly for Desiree, and I am so eager for the hour that Kyron comes home and we can stop this horrid speculation.

In the interview where Kaine was talking about that morning, Kyron having fed the cat, etc.....  While he was saying all that, he referred twice to the 'car'.  He drove the car to work that morning.  Have only heard it reported that they own the white truck and the red mustang, do they own another 'car'? 

And we've heard from LE that Terri took the white truck that morning to give Kyron a ride to school. 

So the picture I have in my mind is that Kaine took the red mustang to work while Terri/Kyron took the white truck to school. 

Did she take her cell phone with her that day, or did she leave it in the car?  The car that Kaine took to work. 

Terri's cell phone supposedly pinged from/near Sauvie Island that morning, at a time she had told LE she was somewhere else.  (According to locals, there are no cell towers on Sauvie Island.  Near it, in the water, but not on it).     

(reported by local - rumor?) Red mustang supposedly spotted on Sauvie Island at 11a, supposedly reported to LE by witnesses.  How many red mustangs are in that area?
   
*If* it was her red mustang that was supposedly seen on Sauvie, who was driving it at around 11a?  I would think it would still have been parked at Intel.  Kaine reports that he got home about 1.45p. 

Did Terri hop in the white truck at school, drive it to his work at some point that morning, trade truck for car, leave driving the red mustang?  If so, did she drive to Sauvie, and if so, why would she tell LE she was somewhere else?   
 
Or... could Kaine have been driving the red mustang, with her cell phone inside, at/near Sauvie that day?  If so, what the heck was he doing there, rather than being at work as reported? 

Anyone know how close Intel is to Sauvie Island?  If close by, could her phone have pinged from the red mustang, parked at his work? 

Dunno if any of these questions have answers yet.. Most are rhetorical. 

FYI - my husband takes two medications for blood pressure.  I watch when he is running low and over the internet refill them.  Don't ask me the names of them though, I couldn't tell you, and neither could he.

I don't either klaas. For all LE knew....Terri could've hired someone else, and Kaine was in imminent danger, so they had to tell him to go to another location and take the baby for their own safety. Terri is a dangerous person right now, IMHO. No one can say what she will do, or what her plans are.
I don't get all the blame being placed on Kaine. I would run too, if I discovered what he did, and I'd make sure my baby was safe. That had to be his first priority. But now Terri needs to get out, and let Kiara have some semblance of normalcy by being at home. Toddlers need routine, and this baby has suffered a lot of upheaval recently.

Peace -
I like the way you post, so I'd like to add my thoughts.

Terri hasn't been charged with anything.  If they had the goods, she'd have been charged by now.
The police aren't saying much because, IMO, they know they've screwed up the investigation.
The Lawn Man, it's just his supposed word against her word.  They cancel each other out without proof.  IMO
LE has said that they did investigate Kristian pertaining to this case.  He's already in jail, so if something's up, they aren't going to be in a hurry to charge him just yet. IMO
Kaine's mention of a "safe house" (good catch by the poster who made some very good points).
Desiree says Kyron is alive.  She's appealing to Terri and says to "do it for TH's kids)

I can envision  a scenario where TH believes either Kaine or Kristian have molested/or been "inappropriate" with Kyron.  She passes him on to a "safe house".  She can't pass a poly because she has guilty knowledge, but doesn't truly know where Kyron is.  LE can't charge her without proof, that's why there is no movement.  Kaine trumped up the RO (IMO) to make her look like she's a liar so that when she claims abuse, he can say "look, she's lying AGAIN".

I think that would tie up the ends for me and that may be a theory I could subscribe to.  Why did they hesitate at today's presser when asked if TH may have had an accomplice?  Maybe they suspect Tanner's  ex-stepmom but didn't want to say it?

Some medications for depression aren't to be stopped suddenly either.
This is the first thing Kaine has said that makes any sense. PPD.
Were they talking about a divorce before Kyron went missing is my questons and did he ever say where Kiara was that morning ?

I can envision  a scenario where TH believes either Kaine or Kristian have molested/or been "inappropriate" with Kyron.  She passes him on to a "safe house".  She can't pass a poly because she has guilty knowledge, but doesn't truly know where Kyron is.  LE can't charge her without proof, that's why there is no movement.  Kaine trumped up the RO (IMO) to make her look like she's a liar so that when she claims abuse, he can say "look, she's lying AGAIN".

And I understand that, I don't pay attention to my husband's medications. But if he had some mental issues and was all over the place being erratic I would want to make sure I was paying attention to his medications so he was not harming himself or others. Which is exactly what I do with my daughter's medications. Some of these medications need to be monitored closely with blood work and a doctor.

ITA - I had an x who was bi-polar and off meds he was a monster so I made sure he took them and that they were refilled on schedule.  Because one of the meds was lithium, he did require regular bloodwork.  My brother, a heart xplant aptient, was different.  I had to know what he took for those to frequent trips to the ER.  I knew what and how much, but didn't keep tabs on refills.  Now my mom on the other hand, is on several.  I don't keep track of any of it but she's had the foresight to write it all down on a sheet of paper and carry it with her - which came in handy when she had her last trip to the ER for a suspected stroke.

All that to say, you can keep a close eye on things, but it's all up to interpretation....

If a woman has PPD would she kill her own child?  This just doesn't make a hill of beans to me.

Kyron was capable of making his own breakfast, his bed and watching Kiara.  Why him?

He was cutting into her Gym time, she had to drive hours to drop the child off to his Mum's.

Dentist appointment for Braces, Sports events, swimming, etc.  SM was tired of doting on another child. IMO

Kaine Horman: Kyron’s Stepmom Suffered Post-Partum Depression
11:05 PM July 8th, 2010 by James Pitkin
Kaine Horman, father of missing 7-year-old Kyron Horman, told WW in an interview tonight Kyron’s stepmom suffered from post-partum depression and may have been hiding it when the boy disappeared.

“She went through some pretty bad post-partum as a result of the pregnancy. She was on medication from the doctor,” said Kaine Horman, who gave a series of brief interviews this evening, mainly to national news outlets.

Horman was accompanied by Kyron’s biological mother, Desiree Young.

Kyron disappeared from Skyline K-8 School on June 4. His stepmom, Terri Moulton Horman, was the last person known to have seen him, investigators have said. The investigation increasingly has focused on her.

Kaine Horman filed for divorce and a restraining order on June 28 citing alleged plans by Terri Moulton Horman to have him killed. He told WW the illness came on after the birth of their daughter Kiara 19 months ago and lasted well over a year.

“As far as I’m concerned, probably up until a month or two before Kyron was gone — and then she could have been hiding it at that point,” Kaine Horman said.

He said the illness manifested in rapid mood swings.

“It wasn’t anything that was overly violent in nature,” Horman said. “It was just really erratic types of swings, from being very emotional to suddenly being very frustrated.”

Horman said he’s not sure what type of medication his wife was on or when she stopped taking it.

“I was just supposed to watch her closely for a six-month period, which I did do,” he said. “And after the six months, things seemed to be OK.”

http://blogs.wweek.com/news/2010/07/08/kaine-horman-kyrons-stepmom-suffered-post-partum-depression/

We don't know how bad the depression was. She wan't rolled up like a ball doing nothing, she had to run the house and look after everyone.
We also don't know if Kaine was supportive or told her to snap out of it.
LS guy said she thought or knew he ( Kaine ) had an affair.
We don't know if Kaine expected her to do all that she did before or if he helped out, we just don't know.
When PPD depression was said outloud, some sad case came to my mind with a sad outcome for the kiddo. 
PPD doesn't last and most women get thru it, but some help is required, medical and emotional and perhaps some support form the others in the house or near to you. We don't know if she had what help or enough help.

 

So how does the murder for hire plays in this scenario? Just wondering.

If Terri were experiencing post partum psychosis, it could be that her mind thought it appropriate to have her husband killed if she associated him with something evil, or perhaps suspicions of infidelity mulled over by a sick mind would be the reasoning, which could make sense in trying to hire a landscaper for murder. Those sufferring from post partum psychosis have thoughts that are usually not organized, but rather disorganized, and what may seem completely irrational, may in their mind seem rational. They often make severe choices in the moment. 

Good God, after reading Kaine's comments, we can see quite the picture now. If he were having an affair and Terri suspected such, then Terri would try to hide her emotions from him. He was the enemy in her mind. He was supposed to watch her for a period of 6 months. Oh my. Sound like another case? Yes, the Yates case.
He states they were having marital problems after the birth of Kiara.... NO, your wife was sick with a serious condition brought on by no fault of her own Mister! That is illness, brought on by child birth not marital problems. That is something that takes care and concern of the human sufferring from it, not dippin it elsewhere. Just praying for that sweet little boy. So saddened by this.

 How does everyone who beat up on Terri feel now? What if it were you, a sister, a friend, sufferring from an uncontrollable psychosis brought on by what is supposed to be the sweetest moment in life?
 

K & D on the CBS Early Show.


They are not denying someone else maybe involved. In fact they are hoping someone else is because that would mean Kyron is being taken care of.

K - Were not having money problems.
K to the ? "Were either of you having an affair?" - K - Not that I am aware of.

D says her first thought when she got the phone call that Kyron went missing from Terri - You better not have done anything to my son.


http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=6661870n&tag=related;photovideo

Good God, after reading Kaine's comments, we can see quite the picture now. If he were having an affair and Terri suspected such, then Terri would try to hide her emotions from him. He was the enemy in her mind. He was supposed to watch her for a period of 6 months. Oh my. Sound like another case? Yes, the Yates case.
He states they were having marital problems after the birth of Kiara.... NO, your wife was sick with a serious condition brought on by no fault of her own Mister! That is illness, brought on by child birth not marital problems. That is something that takes care and concern of the human sufferring from it, not dippin it elsewhere. Just praying for that sweet little boy. So saddened by this.

 How does everyone who beat up on Terri feel now? What if it were you, a sister, a friend, sufferring from an uncontrollable psychosis brought on by what is supposed to be the sweetest moment in life?
 

How would you not know if you were having an affair? Granted he doesn't want it to come out if he were. For Desiree to think that after the phone call, makes me believe that Terri has been off the charts, and it was clear to her that Terri could do something to little Kyron.

I really think there is more going on with Terri then postpartum depression, and who knows what was all going on in her mind? She could have been paranoid or delusional and then who knows what thoughts were making sense to her, or not making sense to her.

Good Morning,

I'm just not getting all the haterade for Kaine.  He might not be a "perfect" husband, but why burn him at the stake?  Terri might have been suffering from PPD.  I'm sure Kaine did the best he could in that situation.

Kaine Horman: Kyron’s Stepmom Suffered Post-Partum Depression
11:05 PM July 8th, 2010 by James Pitkin
Kaine Horman, father of missing 7-year-old Kyron Horman, told WW in an interview tonight Kyron’s stepmom suffered from post-partum depression and may have been hiding it when the boy disappeared.

“She went through some pretty bad post-partum as a result of the pregnancy. She was on medication from the doctor,” said Kaine Horman, who gave a series of brief interviews this evening, mainly to national news outlets.

Horman was accompanied by Kyron’s biological mother, Desiree Young.

Kyron disappeared from Skyline K-8 School on June 4. His stepmom, Terri Moulton Horman, was the last person known to have seen him, investigators have said. The investigation increasingly has focused on her.

Kaine Horman filed for divorce and a restraining order on June 28 citing alleged plans by Terri Moulton Horman to have him killed. He told WW the illness came on after the birth of their daughter Kiara 19 months ago and lasted well over a year.

“As far as I’m concerned, probably up until a month or two before Kyron was gone — and then she could have been hiding it at that point,” Kaine Horman said.

He said the illness manifested in rapid mood swings.

“It wasn’t anything that was overly violent in nature,” Horman said. “It was just really erratic types of swings, from being very emotional to suddenly being very frustrated.”

Horman said he’s not sure what type of medication his wife was on or when she stopped taking it.

“I was just supposed to watch her closely for a six-month period, which I did do,” he said. “And after the six months, things seemed to be OK.”

http://blogs.wweek.com/news/2010/07/08/kaine-horman-kyrons-stepmom-suffered-post-partum-depression/

Searchers Seen Near Sauvie Island Bridge

Deputies Display Replicas Of Kyron Horman's Clothing

POSTED: 7:15 am PDT June 11, 2010
UPDATED: 7:24 pm PDT June 11, 2010

http://www.kptv.com/news/23869109/detail.html

K & D on the CBS Early Show.


They are not denying someone else maybe involved. In fact they are hoping someone else is because that would mean Kyron is being taken care of.

K - Were not having money problems.
K to the ? "Were either of you having an affair?" - K - Not that I am aware of.

D says her first thought when she got the phone call that Kyron went missing from Terri - You better not have done anything to my son.


http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=6661870n&tag=related;photovideo

Searchers Seen Near Sauvie Island Bridge

Deputies Display Replicas Of Kyron Horman's Clothing

POSTED: 7:15 am PDT June 11, 2010
UPDATED: 7:24 pm PDT June 11, 2010

http://www.kptv.com/news/23869109/detail.html

I love Scared Monkeys. Klaas allows us all to gather on her site and express our views without moderating us to death as with other similar sites. TH sends many posters hinky meter up and for some reason KH sends my hinky meter up.  If we all felt exactly the same way, the conversation would be boring at best. I am probably wrong and others are probably right. The only thing that really matters in my mind is that we are all meeting here because we all care about the missing.

I love Scared Monkeys. Klaas allows us all to gather on her site and express our views without moderating us to death as with other similar sites. TH sends many posters hinky meter up and for some reason KH sends my hinky meter up.  If we all felt exactly the same way, the conversation would be boring at best. I am probably wrong and others are probably right. The only thing that really matters in my mind is that we are all meeting here because we all care about the missing.

FYI - my husband takes two medications for blood pressure.  I watch when he is running low and over the internet refill them.  Don't ask me the names of them though, I couldn't tell you, and neither could he.

Last night someone wanted to know where I got the information from that Kyron was very timid and would not even get out of his bed in the morning while living with Terri and Kaine.

Here is the raw interview I heard that on.it is long..20 minutes and that part of the interview comes in the last 6minutes.

What I find interesting re-watching this now..it appears from their body language that Kaine and Desiree may have just found out from the detectives about some of the issues involving the restraining order.  The date on this interview is June 25th.

Notice Kaine is shaking his head no the whole time he is speaking about Terri being cooperative with LE.  He is saying one thing with his words..another with his body.
Everytime Terri's name is mentioned Desiree stiffens and puts her head up..jaw jutting out.

http://www.kgw.com/video?id=97177194&sec=547977

As always just my opinion.

I'm with you txlisa - I don't get it either

I agree

If a woman has PPD would she kill her own child?  This just doesn't make a hill of beans to me.

Kyron was capable of making his own breakfast, his bed and watching Kiara.  Why him?

He was cutting into her Gym time, she had to drive hours to drop the child off to his Mum's.

Dentist appointment for Braces, Sports events, swimming, etc.  SM was tired of doting on another child. IMO

Thanks Seahorse!

Is it still PPD 18 months after giving birth?

I thought PPD is caused by a hormones imbalance and it lasts as long as the hormones are off-whack... like, less than a year?

And I understand that, I don't pay attention to my husband's medications. But if he had some mental issues and was all over the place being erratic I would want to make sure I was paying attention to his medications so he was not harming himself or others. Which is exactly what I do with my daughter's medications. Some of these medications need to be monitored closely with blood work and a doctor.

We don't know how bad the depression was. She wan't rolled up like a ball doing nothing, she had to run the house and look after everyone.
We also don't know if Kaine was supportive or told her to snap out of it.
LS guy said she thought or knew he ( Kaine ) had an affair.
We don't know if Kaine expected her to do all that she did before or if he helped out, we just don't know.
When PPD depression was said outloud, some sad case came to my mind with a sad outcome for the kiddo. 
PPD doesn't last and most women get thru it, but some help is required, medical and emotional and perhaps some support form the others in the house or near to you. We don't know if she had what help or enough help.

 

ITA Klaas and pdh3.  I have seen nothing in Kaine's behaviour which would merit such hatred from people who don't know him and likely will never know him. My personal code of ethics wouldn't allow that. Kaine left and took the baby around 1:30.  The attempted sting took place in the evening, at the time of the two 911 calls. It is logical to assume that Kaine took the baby and left because he was advised by LE to do so.  After all there was a possibility, if not probability, that his life was in danger.  One supposes some would wish him to have stayed there and gotten murdered.  Under these circumstances and with what appears to be Terri's aberrant  behaviour, it was prudent for him to want to protect his baby and himself since it appears he was unable to protect Kyron from Terri.

It seems to me that to some, Kaine represents the transference of a personal experience, a bad marriage, an unhappy divorce, poor parentling,a lack of support, etc.  For some reason, and it hasn't happened to this extent before in my experience, Kaine is the person in whom many have a great deal of emotion invested with no possibility that he is an anquished, decent person who is suffering because his child has been taken.

I have seen none of this "Controlling" nature from Kaine.  I believe he and Desiree are following instructions of LE.  One can argue whether or not LE has done the best job they can, but as for me, I don't see anyone in this saga other than Terri who has acted inappropriately.

Kaine bought that house  prior to his marriage to Terri.  Because of that and because he is the sole owner, it is not part of marital property.  If I were sharing my house with a person out to have me disposed of, I believe the first thing I would do is take my children and leave and sort out residence later, which is what Kaine appears to be doing.

These facts and only these facts remain and are indisputable:

Terri was the last person known to have been with Kyron that morning.
Kyron was not present when class started for the day.
No one has reported seeing Kyron after class started.
Terri's cellphone pinged from Sauvie Island, which is not the location at which she claimed to be.
Whatever happened, happened that morning.

I am somewhat amused at the remarks about "Engineers' minds."  My late husband was an Orthopedic surgeon.  I can think of no occupation which requires more complete attention to the business at hand. And, of course, dealing with life and death, he had to compartmentalize his emotions.  Most of the time, unless he were dealing with a very seriously ill patient, he did not bring his work home and one could not wish for a more loving and attentive husband and father. It isn't possible to generalize.  All people are different in some way or other.  IMO Kaine's profession has nothing whatever to do with his worth as a human being.

Last night someone wanted to know where I got the information from that Kyron was very timid and would not even get out of his bed in the morning while living with Terri and Kaine.

Here is the raw interview I heard that on.it is long..20 minutes and that part of the interview comes in the last 6minutes.

What I find interesting re-watching this now..it appears from their body language that Kaine and Desiree may have just found out from the detectives about some of the issues involving the restraining order.  The date on this interview is June 25th.

Notice Kaine is shaking his head no the whole time he is speaking about Terri being cooperative with LE.  He is saying one thing with his words..another with his body.
Everytime Terri's name is mentioned Desiree stiffens and puts her head up..jaw jutting out.

http://www.kgw.com/video?id=97177194&sec=547977

As always just my opinion.

Gypsy did you see the part they speak of having to talk with Kyron about doing a better job with listening and obeying the adults at school? That is what is concerning to me. As a timid and/or shy child he would not want to get into trouble again and would follow a directive. I am curious as to what had happened at the school that prompted this talk. 

Moms Who Kill: When Depression Turns Deadly
http://www.fpamed.com/forensic_psychiatry/2008/05/moms-who-kill-w.html

If Terri were experiencing post partum psychosis, it could be that her mind thought it appropriate to have her husband killed if she associated him with something evil, or perhaps suspicions of infidelity mulled over by a sick mind would be the reasoning, which could make sense in trying to hire a landscaper for murder. Those sufferring from post partum psychosis have thoughts that are usually not organized, but rather disorganized, and what may seem completely irrational, may in their mind seem rational. They often make severe choices in the moment. 

Thanks OS

Yes I do see that part.

 It is a concern.  Could Terri  have used that to her advantage to have someone take Kyron away from the school?

JMHO

Raw video: Desiree describes call from Skyline   
Posted on July 9, 2010 at 11:49 AM

Raw video: Desiree describes call from Skyline

http://www.kgw.com/video?id=98125569&sec=547977

Wow..Terri did not even call her..the school called her. 

She calls Terri then and wants to know what the heck is going on..with a few expletives.

Poor Desiree..

I don't know but given the talk had occured shortly before his going missing.... it makes me wonder what the circumstances were to lead up to it. Here we have this shy, timid child who needs to be talked to about listening? Usually a shy child will listen pretty good. So was it his not complying with something he felt uncomfortable doing, considering he is timid, then that fits. I also considered that Terri did sub and help out at the school so was Kyron not listening to her at school? That is normal for a child to assert himself a little easier with a parent. It could be Terri was the reason for this talk, but it has not been expanded on so I am just guessing.

That's bizarre, wonder why Kaine didn't call her, since it is their child?

That's bizarre, wonder why Kaine didn't call her, since it is their child?

Natasha lance HLN's just said that it was TH that told KH and DY that she failed the poly's.

OS

Since it was so soon after they found out, I wonder if Kaine was out searching near the school?

<snipped>
Ah..what a dear picture..you can even see the little red space where his tooth recently fell out.  Just too cute.

Thank you Brandi for all the pics ..they are always so clear and beautiful.

Thanks, I have a feeling Terri acted bizarrely around a lot of people, and I'm sure nobody thought she was capable of doing harm. Just that she was depressed, or a liar, or moody, or whatever people all thought of her. Would be interesting to hear what her friends, and people at the school and gym all thought about her.

http://www.kptv.com/news/24200719/detail.html

Vigil For Kyron Horman To Be Held Friday Night

POSTED: 12:16 pm PDT July 9, 2010
UPDATED: 12:29 pm PDT July 9, 2010
PORTLAND, Ore. -- A candlelight vigil for missing 7-year-old Kyron Horman will be held Friday night at Skyline School.

The vigil begins at 8 p.m. and candles will be lit at 8:30 p.m. at the school's "Wall of Hope."

People attending the vigil are asked to bring their own candle. Attendees should carpool if possible and avoid parking on Cornelius Pass Road, according to organizers.

Skyline School is located at 11536 Northwest Skyline Boulevard in rural northwest Portland.

Kyron has not been seen since he vanished from school on June 4. His disappearance is an active criminal investigation.

No suspects or persons of interest have been named, but Kyron's biological mother has suggested that his stepmother Terri Horman may be involved.

Sheriff's deputies said Terri Horman was the last person to see Kyron at school.

You mentioned gym NRCG, which made me think back to the restraining order.  In one of the interviews Kaine said he filled that out per info LE had given him. 

The section of the RO that pertains to listing addresses and times of where Terri would normally be shows the home, throught out the day and her gym 24 Hour Fitness from 11am-2PM.

Wondering if she said she was at the gym that morning and they couldn't get anyone to back up that info..and then her cell pings on the Island?  Again supposition..but she must have frequently gone to the gym at that time each day for it to be listed on the RO.

I am not on the fence in regards to what happen to Kyron.  Terri is behind her stepson's disappearance whether he is dead or alive. IMO

However ... Kaine disgusts me.  His wife suffers from PPD following the birth of their daugher and ... the marriage "sours".  GMAB  What a poor excuse for a husband!

Janet

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Kyron Horman's father recalls when marriage to Terri Horman began to sour
Published: Thursday, July 08, 2010, 7:59 PM
Updated: Friday, July 09, 2010, 9:58 AM

The father of missing second-grader Kyron Horman said Thursday that his marriage to the boy's stepmom began to grow rocky after she gave birth to their little girl 19 months ago.

"I thought the marriage was doing pretty well," Kaine Horman said during a one-on-one interview with The Oregonian, "until we had our daughter, Kiara."

Horman said he thought his marriage to Terri Moulton Horman fractured within six months after she gave birth in November 2008, the result of postpartum depression.

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/07/kyron_hormans_father_recalls_w.html

Thanks, that is what I don't know, does the person or LE tell the person if they failed or passed the polygraph test? Or do they tell the person's lawyer if they have a lawyer?

Just more of the same we have all read a million times.....I do not understand why she hasn't been arrested...AT LEAST for the murder 4 hire crap. WTF is going on?

Parents Point to Stepmom in Kyron's Disappearance
Updated: 27 minutes ago
http://www.aolnews.com/nation/article/kyron-hormans-disappearance-parents-kaine-horman-and-desiree-young-point-to-stepmom-terri-horman/19548578

Neither do I, Nut. The murder for hire should be enough for an arrest, and I think her interrogations about Kyron would be more productive from jail. If she were going to slip up with a new lead while free, she would have by now, IMO.

Wow..Terri did not even call her..the school called her. 

She calls Terri then and wants to know what the heck is going on..with a few expletives.

Poor Desiree..

When I heard Desiree say Terri had the school call her, all the while standing there with whoever called from the school office.......pathetic!! Yes, I'm pretty sure my hinky meter would have been off the charts too!

That's bizarre, wonder why Kaine didn't call her, since it is their child?

Why did Kaine not call Desiree?  Why does Kaine always get a pass?

Janet

I found this article today, yet cannot find it stated by Kaine. ( maybe He said it in a press video) http://www.momlogic.com/2010/07/father_of_missing_oregon_boy_suspects_stepmom.php
snipped:
Kaine Horman said his wife has twice failed a polygraph test during the investigation into Kyron's disappearance. She shared the news of the failed tests with "a room full of people," he said Thursday. "She would vent about the failure, talk about what she failed on, go into great detail about how she felt about it, and that happened multiple times," he said.

(( I don't understand this statement at all, is he saying she told a room full a people she failed the poly's? I don't get it?. Why state anything at all to anyone if your guilty of something ?? ))
If I was guilty of something and I knew I failed the Poly's yikes. I certainly would not say to a room full of people waiting, stress to all of them, I failed, I failed.
I would keep my mouth shut for fear the room would turn on me ..and take me out.
( Due to this is about a missing child).

Did she fail, because she thought that LE knew about the Landscaper ( alleged affair and attempt to hire Kaine killed) Is that why she failed?
None of this makes any sense what so ever.

HLN's

Natasha Lance had an interview with KH and DY which will air on NG Monday nite.

NL: you said Teri was home, what was her demeanor?

KH: umm, she was working on her laptop when I got home, nothing out of the ordinary.

NL: did she have on the same clothes as earlier in the day?

KH: yea, she had gone to the gym I believe prior in the day and she still had her gym clothes on.

NL: so you went to the bus stop (KH shaking head yes), you were waiting child after child I assume getting off the bus

KH: No there is only one child that gets off at our stop and that's Kyron.

NL: And what did you think?

KH: she just, the bus driver looked at us and told us that he wasn't on the bus today, so we figured well he must still be waiting for us at school. We had talked about maybe a special treat afterward, for the science fair project and everything else, so we just thought maybe he is just waiting for us at the school. So she called the school on her cell phone and that's when we found out he hadn't been there all day.

excerpt from it not reported by Natasha Lance but lady on HLN's (for clarification)

Lady: then they said after TH's polygraph, she was more concerned about her well being, not about Kyron. late last month a twist no one saw coming, Kyron's father filed for divorce and moved out of the home he shared with her, he took their 19 month old daughter with him as well, Kaine Horman also got a RO against Teri because investigators say she tried to hire a Landscaper to kill him.

NL: what if Teri is not inolved? Is there any doubt in your mind that she's not?

DY: NO (shaking head) I know she's involved (KH shaking head yes)

NL: do you think she would have done this alone?

DY: I don't believe so, because honestly ummm, (looking at KH) she didn't take out a contract on her husband alone, so I think that she probably need help (KH shaking head yes) but, that's speculation.

Lady: you can catch NL's full interview on NG Monday nite at 8 pm est.
Local media reporting KH is asking a court to evict TH now from their home, so he can return there with his daughter, but it's been 5 wks now since Kyron disappeared, he had just gone to his Science fair and never made it back to class. The search for him has turned into a criminal investigation, want to point out no suspects have been named, no arrests have been made.

OS

Not giving Kaine a free pass. Terri was the last person seen with Kyron, and I would expect Terri to give Desiree the details....Kaine was not with Kyron at school, and should not put words in Terri's mouth (so to speak). His explanation would be what Terri told him, and as a mother I would EXPECT the last person with my missing son to tell me WTH happened.
But that's just me........

Not giving Kaine a free pass. Terri was the last person seen with Kyron, and I would expect Terri to give Desiree the details....Kaine was not with Kyron at school, and should not put words in Terri's mouth (so to speak). His explanation would be what Terri told him, and as a mother I would EXPECT the last person with my missing son to tell me WTH happened.
But that's just me........

No it does not, and I can't believe they would tell Terri what she failed on and what she didn't fail on, unless that is what is done after a test like this.

Asking about the Bus --- again. Why Kyron did not take the bus?
That Terri drove him in to school. If she was " staying" at the school for the fair to view the exhibits that would be one thing... but she did not stay. She dropped him off.
The photo is to be taken the morning of the fair by Terri. Still does not compute in my head of why Terri drove him in. (( Unless he Missed the Bus))
He could have taken the bus easily. Terri would have been able to go up to the school within her leisure .. with Kitty * during the exhibition. Go in snap a photo with Kyron ..look around ..Say Hi to all and I love You to Kyron/See you later on ..then leave and go on with her day..until Kyron was let out at 3:15.

What was the disruption during the am - that caused Kyron to miss the bus. And or for Terri to choose to drive Kyron into school ..just to drop him off. 
(( GAH)).

Thank OS

I wish that those who are in the know would defy Kaine's instructions regarding talking to the media so that we could learn about the dynamics encompassing this case from differing perspectives.

Has Kaine or Desiree just once upheld Kyron's stepmother ... the stepmother who loved care for their son since infancy?  Has Kaine or Desiree just once taken any responsibility in the chain of events that led to Kyron's disappearance at the hands of Terri?

Janet

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Missing Child - Kyron Horman, 7
Posted on Jun 07, 2010

Having my own children, including a 7-year-old boy, this especially resonates with me.  Kryon Horman has been missing since Friday (6/4).  He was last seen at Skyline Elementary School in Portland, Oregon.  Please circulate and contact the authorities if you have any information.  Below is an email from Kyron's father.
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From: Horman, Kaine A
Sent: Sunday, June 06, 2010 8:39 AM
Subject: FW: Kaine Horman's son is missing

All,

If you have seen local Oregon news or been browsing the internet or FaceBook there is a good chance you have seen an article similar to the one that Becky forwarded (below).  While this note is difficult for me to write in this state of mind I felt it necessary for Kyron’s sake.

Optional actions for you:

The Intel network is large and wide-reaching.  Many have asked me what they can do to help us and my answer is the following:

1.       Forward Kyron’s information to as many people as you feel comfortable with; the more people that see this will increase our chances of finding him

2.       Do not speak to any media if contacted; I am trying to contact Intel legal to give them the heads up and help with this situation

Physical description at the time of his disappearance (picture is show in Becky’s note and here):

He is 3 foot 8 and 50 pounds, with blue eyes and brown hair. He was wearing black cargo pants, white socks, worn black Sketcher tennis shoes with orange trim and dark-colored t-shirt with the "CSI" show logo

Police Hot Line Number:

(503) 261-2847

Some rough background:

The article that Becky forwarded is pretty accurate with details.  He was dropped off at school about 8:45 and went missing sometime between then and 9 or 9:30am.  We did not know he was not at school until we went to get him off of the bus at 3:30 and he was nowhere to be found.  The bus driver immediately called the school which responded that his teacher had not seen him all day in class, at which point we notified police in partnership with the school.  It is still unknown whether he left school grounds on his own or was abducted.  Be assured that there are currently an amazing number of agencies and amount of person-power being applied to the search and investigation.

Thank you all for the thoughts and prayers for Kyron’s safe return.  I will update the group once status changes which will hopefully be soon.  At the time of this note Kyron has now been missing for ~48 hours; time is of the essence.

Kaine Horman
Enterprise Business Architect
Intel Corporation

http://ackerlaw.com/posts/2010/06/07/missing_child__kyron_horman_7

Not giving Kaine a free pass. Terri was the last person seen with Kyron, and I would expect Terri to give Desiree the details....Kaine was not with Kyron at school, and should not put words in Terri's mouth (so to speak). His explanation would be what Terri told him, and as a mother I would EXPECT the last person with my missing son to tell me WTH happened.
But that's just me........

The school may have had a legal obligation to call Desiree.

MAD ICON!!!

Desiree Young: "I had feelings about this (Terri) when I got the (first) phone call"

Last Update: 8:33 am  

Terri may talk to the media

PORTLAND, Ore. – Terri Moulton Horman was “blindsided” by the divorce papers, according to a close friend.

A friend of Terri who wished to remain anonymous, told KOIN Local 6 Kyron Horman’s step-mother was caught off guard when she was served divorce papers as well as a restraining order from her husband and Kyron’s father, Kaine Horman.

“Terri didn’t know she was going to be hit with divorce papers or a restraining order,” the friend said.

The friend said Terri may consider talking publicly and airing her side of the story.

“She’s been doing what Kaine said all along and he’s been telling her to stay quiet. The public will benefit from hearing what she has to say.”

http://www.koinlocal6.com/content/news/topstories/story/Terri-Horman-called-911-during-police-sting/Dz4uMChK60KCWjy3W5FG4Q.cspx?p=5

MAD ICON!!!

Desiree Young: "I had feelings about this (Terri) when I got the (first) phone call"

Last Update: 8:33 am  

Terri may talk to the media

PORTLAND, Ore. – Terri Moulton Horman was “blindsided” by the divorce papers, according to a close friend.

A friend of Terri who wished to remain anonymous, told KOIN Local 6 Kyron Horman’s step-mother was caught off guard when she was served divorce papers as well as a restraining order from her husband and Kyron’s father, Kaine Horman.

“Terri didn’t know she was going to be hit with divorce papers or a restraining order,” the friend said.

The friend said Terri may consider talking publicly and airing her side of the story.

“She’s been doing what Kaine said all along and he’s been telling her to stay quiet. The public will benefit from hearing what she has to say.”

http://www.koinlocal6.com/content/news/topstories/story/Terri-Horman-called-911-during-police-sting/Dz4uMChK60KCWjy3W5FG4Q.cspx?p=5

Personally I think Kaine and Desiree need to stop speaking to the press. 

Janet - what if Kaine was desperately out searching around the school while Terri was inside with the teacher?  The teacher is required to call whoever is on the "in case of emergency" list. 

IMO too much is being made of this call.

Klaas

Maybe "Terri was outside desperately searching around the school and ... Kaine was inside with the teacher."  Nobody knows.  Why is Terri being vilified?

What mother on this forum would wish for a SIL like Kaine if her daughter was going through PPD?  What mother on this forum truly believes that Kaine was a rock of support for Terri in her decent into H--- following the birth of their daughter?

What has been revealed convinces me that Terri is behind the disappearance of Kyron and ... Terri must be held accountable but ... I also believe that with Kaine's unconditional love and support of Terri  ... the Kyron Horman case would be a non-issue.

Janet

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Kyron Horman's father recalls when marriage to Terri Horman began to sour
Published: Thursday, July 08, 2010, 7:59 PM
Updated: Friday, July 09, 2010, 9:58 AM

The father of missing second-grader Kyron Horman said Thursday that his marriage to the boy's stepmom began to grow rocky after she gave birth to their little girl 19 months ago.

"I thought the marriage was doing pretty well," Kaine Horman said during a one-on-one interview with The Oregonian, "until we had our daughter, Kiara."

Horman said he thought his marriage to Terri Moulton Horman fractured within six months after she gave birth in November 2008, the result of postpartum depression.

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/07/kyron_hormans_father_recalls_w.html

I don't know the answer, but my kids took the bus when they were little, and sometimes my mom or husband would take them, that was a big deal for them, and they were happy not to take the bus for that day.  Also I'm confused with whether or not the baby was along. During that interview it was said she was, but nobody commented on it from the school, and if the baby was along, I would sure think Terri would have taken a pic of the both of them. So, where was she? There wasn't any time was there to drop her off anywhere, unless whoever watched her was on the way to the school.

I am just curious but, Why?

Personally I think Kaine and Desiree need to stop speaking to the press. 

Because some of this stuff I don't think needs to be said by them. I think they need to appeal to Terri in a different way. It may appear they are bullying her. You know the whole PDD thing is going to shift the opinions towards Terri because how many woman have had this happen and how many woman have husbands that lose patients with it or don't understand. I just think it is something we need to know. Save this stuff for trial if it ends up there.

Deenie - I'm not sure but because of the science fair they may have had to get to the school at a different time.  Also, did Kyron have to bring his display to the school for the fair?  If he did then he certainly wouldn't be able to carry it by himself let alone on the bus. 

Because some of this stuff I don't think needs to be said by them. I think they need to appeal to Terri in a different way. It may appear they are bullying her. You know the whole PDD thing is going to shift the opinions towards Terri because how many woman have had this happen and how many woman have husbands that lose patients with it or don't understand. I just think it is something we need to know. Save this stuff for trial if it ends up there.

I am anxious to hear what she has to say and possibly add to this case that will possibly help in bringing Kyron home.

(I believe that Kyron is alive.)

Patricia

I don't believe that anything that Terri has to say will reveal the truth ... the truth she attempted to cover up from the getgo with her lies ... lies discovered by authorities through cell phone records and ... her lies revealed through two failed polygraphs.

My point?  Kaine attempts to control what ANYBODY says to the media regarding all aspects of the case.

Could it be that his motive is to assure that no negative attention is directed on him?

Could it be that that explosed skeletons in his life may reveal that he may indirectly to take responsibility for the disappearance of his son?

Janet

<snipped from post upthread>

NL: so you went to the bus stop (KH shaking head yes), you were waiting child after child I assume getting off the bus

KH: No there is only one child that gets off at our stop and that's Kyron.

NL: And what did you think?

KH: she just, the bus driver looked at us and told us that he wasn't on the bus today, so we figured well he must still be waiting for us at school. We had talked about maybe a special treat afterward, for the science fair project and everything else, so we just thought maybe he is just waiting for us at the school. So she called the school on her cell phone and that's when we found out he hadn't been there all day.

Deenie - I'm not sure but because of the science fair they may have had to get to the school at a different time.  Also, did Kyron have to bring his display to the school for the fair?  If he did then he certainly wouldn't be able to carry it by himself let alone on the bus. 

IMO <--- that's at least one more strike against the school, for what seems to be a lax policy with students taking a bus home.

Klaas, I swear it was said that the exhibits were taken in the day before. Maybe I am wrong. Just thinking of all the kids dragging in their exhibits the day of ..would be such a chaos no one would know what was up or down?  And it too would have been mentioned " the chaos" that No one really saw Kyron because everyone was busy setting up their exhibits ..or the opposite they would recall " Terri" carrying in the exhibit herself ..with Kyron at her side??? 
I don't know Klaas, just seems so strange that no one has come forward with a clear memory of that morning inside the school. Tanner's recall has been made speculation and not proven. ( I will keep looking for what I thought I read at one time, that the exhibits were brought into school prior to the morning of) If anyone has anything - please post it. 

Klaas, I swear it was said that the exhibits were taken in the day before. Maybe I am wrong. Just thinking of all the kids dragging in their exhibits the day of ..would be such a chaos no one would know what was up or down?  And it too would have been mentioned " the chaos" that No one really saw Kyron because everyone was busy setting up their exhibits ..or the opposite they would recall " Terri" carrying in the exhibit herself ..with Kyron at her side??? 
I don't know Klaas, just seems so strange that no one has come forward with a clear memory of that morning inside the school. Tanner's recall has been made speculation and not proven. ( I will keep looking for what I thought I read at one time, that the exhibits were brought into school prior to the morning of) If anyone has anything - please post it. 

Being as Kyron was the only student to get off at that particular stop - and he was not on the bus in the morning, it would make no sense to stop at his house / drive-way. Infact, being that it's probably a remote stop and unless there is another stop directly in the path of Kyron's stop - you might consider that this stop was skipped altogether. But we don't know.

Does anyone who saw Terri's FB know if she mentioned the loss of a pet and if so was it the cat?

TIA

Mister Kaine may not be the analytical thinker that some have suggested if he has not taken into consideration what can happen with a mentally ill woman under a cloud of suspicion and pressure. Especially since Terri knows what happened to Kyron according to Kaine and Desiree. She could take a load of pills and go to sleep. And there goes any chance for any info from her. Guess he didn't think that far ahead.

Personally, I think it's all a load of BS from Mister Kaine just for pressure and public embarrassment. But that's how he rolls in my opinion.

I loved how he thought the world of Intel was coming to abrupt halt because of his directive. Lmao! That directive was - if anyone knows my business and has heard any water cooler talk - just know I'm talking to the legal department. I think he's rather shallow. Intel has nothing to do with this case except he works there.

The Situation? What the heck lol. It's not a situation. It's a missing child. YOUR child Mister Kaine.

I don't know the answer, but my kids took the bus when they were little, and sometimes my mom or husband would take them, that was a big deal for them, and they were happy not to take the bus for that day.  Also I'm confused with whether or not the baby was along. During that interview it was said she was, but nobody commented on it from the school, and if the baby was along, I would sure think Terri would have taken a pic of the both of them. So, where was she? There wasn't any time was there to drop her off anywhere, unless whoever watched her was on the way to the school.

My guess is their stop is along the way and the driver saw the Horman's standing there waiting for Kyron. 

And I understand that, I don't pay attention to my husband's medications. But if he had some mental issues and was all over the place being erratic I would want to make sure I was paying attention to his medications so he was not harming himself or others. Which is exactly what I do with my daughter's medications. Some of these medications need to be monitored closely with blood work and a doctor.

I see. Maybe you are right? Who am I to say either way. I could care less which way opinion is swayed. I care only about little Kyron being found.
You know that ol' saying, "Opinions are like" well you get my point lol!
Thank you for your response.

Being as Kyron was the only student to get off at that particular stop - and he was not on the bus in the morning, it would make no sense to stop at his house / drive-way. Infact, being that it's probably a remote stop and unless there is another stop directly in the path of Kyron's stop - you might consider that this stop was skipped altogether. But we don't know.

I saw it posted on one of the newspapers by a local, that Terri had recently made mention the family cat was Missing prior to Kyron missing- I know nothing other than what a local posted. I do not know if it is true or ?? I have not seen anything since if the cat was missing/lost/found.. but I do recall reading it 4getUnot.  Hope that helps.

As I read the white truck owned by the Horman's was allegedly taken in to a shop of some sort for repairs.
I am wondering if there were some type of mechanical issues with the vehicle and when they were first noticed if at all?
If there were mechanical problems with the truck did they become known prior to Kyron's disappearance?
Might that have been an issue that may have made it appear that no one would be able to attend the science fair with Kyron? Kyron seemed very happy about his science fair project. I love the picture of him standing in front of his project. He was absolutely beaming.

Is it possible that another family member might have assumed that little Kyron might have had no one there to share the science fair (precious moments) at school with based on the alleged truck issues that appreantly required some type of repairs?


Just thinking outloud...

http://nancygrace.blogs.cnn.com/2010/07/05/kgw-source-terri-horman-tried-to-have-kyron-horman%E2%80%99s-father-killed/

Jennie            July 7th, 2010 3:55 pm ET

I watched your show last Thursday & called but could not get through. I am wondering about the "cat" Kyron's step-mother was referring to in her facebook posting. I think that the "cat" she was referring to was Kyron & that her referrence was intended for an alleged accomplice to take care of Kyron. Perhaps it was her way of saying that he was at the pre-selected place & to handle it. I truly hope that I am wrong; but, this person appears to be capable of anything if the police strongly suggested that Dad take the baby & leave (whereabouts unknown). Thanks for all you do for us & keeping us informed.

Jennie

I don't care if it's Kaine, Terri, Desiree or Tony but SOMEONE needs to put their face in front of the media to keep Kyron's story alive.  If they don't, Kyon's name will fade from the headlines and people will move on.  

So I disagree, I don't want them to stop giving interviews.  As a matter of fact, in the very beginning everyone was wondering why they weren't talking.  My bet is they were hoping Terri would come clean.  When it became clear Terri wasn't telling the truth and likely wouldn't, they started holding press conferences.  I'm glad they are.

You are giving a pass to Kaine by vilifying Terri.  IMO

If Terri was not going to pick up that phone ... Kaine then had the responsibility.  However ... he allowed the school to call Desiree.

Janet

Mister Kaine may not be the analytical thinker that some have suggested if he has not taken into consideration what can happen with a mentally ill woman under a cloud of suspicion and pressure. Especially since Terri knows what happened to Kyron according to Kaine and Desiree. She could take a load of pills and go to sleep. And there goes any chance for any info from her. Guess he didn't think that far ahead.

Personally, I think it's all a load of BS from Mister Kaine just for pressure and public embarrassment. But that's how he rolls in my opinion.

I loved how he thought the world of Intel was coming to abrupt halt because of his directive. Lmao! That directive was - if anyone knows my business and has heard any water cooler talk - just know I'm talking to the legal department. I think he's rather shallow. Intel has nothing to do with this case except he works there.

The Situation? What the heck lol. It's not a situation. It's a missing child. YOUR child Mister Kaine.

There is heresay and rumors galore

.. if Terri were to comment on something...
How many folks would think she's lying?  Would anyone think ok, thanks for clearing that up.. and believe her?  Or would we wait and see? 

and yet.....

.. we have a rumor that Kaine has commented on.. (affairs)
Does anyone think he's lying?  Does anyone think ok, thanks for clearing that up.. and believe him?  Or do we wait and see? 

Gosh.. it's what we do in other cases, right?????????

Some have asked why the hate toward Kaine? 

I have to ask... why the rush to believe his every word? 

My own personal opinion is that I believe evidence will show there is very good reason to vilify Terri.

I don't think the school calling Desiree was her (Terri's) choice.  The school is under obligation to notify the parents or people on the "notify in case of emergency" list if there are problems with a student.   Since the school was aware that Terri and Kaine knew Kyron was missing, all they had to notify by phone was Desiree.  They did their job in the presence of Terri.

right, the bus is on a route, but I wonder if the stop could be skipped because Kyron is not on the bus morning or afternoon.
, and knew that I was
According to all reports - the bus stopped there - with no Kyron.

ON JVM - I think it was Mike Brooks - he said that Terri entered her friend's life and ended up taking care of her son. Paraphrased. I don't know if this info is correct or not. That was the early story - but was counter by Desiree. Either way - more confusion.

Also, and Nut might like this. JVM was ripping someone for having a mullet. This is like Billy Ray Cyrus ripping someone for having a mullet..:lol:.. < grin > ..Like Michael Bolton laff'n behind someone's back for having a mullet.

http://nancygrace.blogs.cnn.com/2010/07/05/kgw-source-terri-horman-tried-to-have-kyron-horman%E2%80%99s-father-killed/

Jennie            July 7th, 2010 3:55 pm ET

I watched your show last Thursday & called but could not get through. I am wondering about the "cat" Kyron's step-mother was referring to in her facebook posting. I think that the "cat" she was referring to was Kyron & that her referrence was intended for an alleged accomplice to take care of Kyron. Perhaps it was her way of saying that he was at the pre-selected place & to handle it. I truly hope that I am wrong; but, this person appears to be capable of anything if the police strongly suggested that Dad take the baby & leave (whereabouts unknown). Thanks for all you do for us & keeping us informed.

Jennie

The bus stopped..I guess because she saw Kyron's family standing there..but the bus driver is the one that called school to see if Kyron was still there.

My kids rode the bus home when they got older.  Once my daughter missed the bus, and I was waiting for her at the bus stop. Because the driver knew my child, and knew that I was her Mom, she stopped to tell me that my child was not on the bus. I was in a panic until I called the school and it was discovered that she had missed the bus because she ran back to her locker to get a book she needed. In a small community where children are regular bus riders, the driver knows the children, their parents, and where the kids live, and their bus riding habits.
Maybe the driver stopped to let the Hormans know Kyron wasn't on the bus because they were waiting for him, and the driver knew something was not right.

Let's say that the bus driver is on a route and very likely that's 100% true. Let's also say that the bus driver did stop because he / she saw the Hormans standing there. Let's say that the driver stopped to notify them that Kyron was not on the bus. Let's say all that is true.

It's hard to believe that the bus driver, probably the lowest paid school district employee, was the only one that recognized something was wrong. Kyron is no where to be seen all day. His back pack and other materials are around. One student alerted the teacher that he may have gone and gotten a drink of water or in the bathroom. It's hard to fathom that no one noticed that Kyron was missing. This really deifies the laws of believability.

I believe it was Kyron's aunt that said - it was like a vortex or time warped opened and Kyron was gone - paraphrased. I could believe that in this case except people don't dematerialize nor vaporize.

Klaas it doesn't have to be an all or nothing thing.

Because of HIPPA laws, Kaine would only be allowed to know what Terri wanted him to know. She may not have allowed him access to all of her medical issues. And if she was changing medications, he may not have kept up with it. He also may not care to disclose her medical information to the whole world. I find nothing wrong with Kaine declining to answer about Terri's medications. It's a can of worms he's possibly choosing not to open.
There is a connection between post partum depression, and bipolar disorder. If Terri was acting erractically for years, maybe she was bipolar, and it was never diagnosed. I suspect that may be the real issue.....bipolar disorder that was out of control. People with bipolar tend to have relationship issues, and most of them have career problems like Terri. Sometimes they don't stay on their medication, and their behavior spirals out of control. If Terri had been diagnosed, but was not on medication due to her pregnancy, I can see how things would escalate after the birth. I also think that may be the case as well. I work in a psychiatric practice, and the Dr. advises the spouses and/or family members of his pregnant bipolar patients to watch them carefully after giving birth. That may have been the case with Terri and Kaine. These women stop taking their meds for the duration of their pregnancy, and that's plenty of time for their brain chemistry to get out of whack.

Details emerge about the day Kyron Horman turned up missing
By Lynne Terry, The Oregonian
June 05, 2010, 11:21PM

Friday began as a special day for 7-year-old Kyron Horman. His school in Northwest Portland was having a science fair and he was keen to show off his project to his stepmother.

So, instead of taking the bus[/b] near his home off Cornelius Pass Road as usual, he hopped into the car with his stepmother, Terri Moulton Horman, who drove him to Skyline Elementary School.

They arrived sometime after the school opened about 8 a.m., went to his classroom, dropped off his coat and backpack and he showed his stepmother his exhibit, "The Red-Eyed Tree Frog."

Horman, who has raised Kyron since he was an infant, snapped a picture of him standing in front of it that she later posted on her Facebook page.  It shows a bespectacled and beaming short-haired boy wearing a blue "CSI" T-shirt in front of an exhibit with photos of bug-eyed frogs, an anatomical drawing of the creature and other artwork.

"He was so excited about his science project," said Carol Moulton, Horman's mother and Kyron's grandmother. "They had worked on it together. He was anxious to take it to school and show it off."

After that, the two looked at other projects set up on desks in classrooms. There are about 300 students at Skyline Elementary, and all of them were invited to contribute to the fair.

Although the school usually opens at 8:35 a.m. and the final bell rings 10 minutes later, the school opened as early as 8 Friday for the science fair, said Matt Shelby, spokesman for Portland Public Schools.

Other students and parents showed up early as well to check out the fair, and Terri and Kyron saw people they knew while looking at the exhibits, Carol Moulton said.

Terri often volunteers at the school, working closely with Kyron's teacher, Kristina Porter. Shelby said that Porter saw Kyron in her classroom with his stepmom before 8:45 a.m. and another instructor reported seeing him in another classroom at some point.

At 8:45 a.m. when the bell rang, Terri walked her stepson down the hall close to his class.

"He told her, 'I'm going back to the classroom, Mom,' and she waves to him and left," Carol Moulton said. "She thought he was safely at school just like he is everyday."

What happened to the boy who went missing is unclear.

Carol Moulton said the kids were supposed to report to their classes and be divided into small groups of a few students each. Each group was supposed to tour the science fair with a chaperone. Afterward, when they returned to their classes for roll call, Kyron wasn't there, she said.

After leaving the school, Terri went about her day, running errands and taking care of household chores. She is a former elementary school teacher and has worked as a substitute teacher at various schools, but Moulton said that in recent years she has mainly been a stay-at-home mom.

Kyron's father, Kaine Horman, works at Intel's main administrative facility in Oregon, the Jones Farm campus in Hillsboro, the company said.

Kyron's biological mother, Desiree Horman, and his father were officially divorced in February 2003, according to Washington County Circuit Court records.

Carol Moulton said that Kaine, 36, and Terri, 40, have been together for seven or eight years and that they have been married for four or five years. The couple have an 18-month-old girl.

"Terri has raised Kyron," her mother said. "She's been with him since he was an infant. She's as much of a mom as the mom is because the parents had separated about the time that Kyron was born."

She said he visits his biological mother in Medford every couple of weeks and that Desiree, 38, came to Portland as soon as she heard about his disappearance.

Kyron was supposed to take the bus home Friday, so Terri went to the bus stop at 3:30 p.m. to pick him up.

But the bus driver told her he wasn't there.

Panicked, she ran home and called the school to discover that he had been marked absent for the day.

She called 9-1-1, setting off a search that's drawn in a swarm of officers and several law enforcement agencies, including the FBI.

Officers, working with sniffer dogs, have combed the hilly, wooded area around Skyline Elementary.

Moulton doubts Kyron wandered off on his own. It's just not in his character, she said.

"He's a little bit dreamy. He's a sweet kid. He gets distracted. He's your typical second-grader," she said.

But he's no Huckleberry Finn.

"He's not real adventurous," she said. "He's a little timid. But if a friend wanted to go outside and look at something, he would follow the friend. He has a friend who he regularly gets in trouble with in the classroom because he talks too much."

Moulton said Kyron will not even venture far from his home in a wooded area.

"He won't get out of sight of the house," she said. "He's pretty insecure about that. So I can't see him wandering off."

His disappearance is devastating for the close-knit family, which plays board games together, goes bowling and enjoys visits to the Oregon Zoo. A few years ago, the family took a trip to Walt Disney World in Orlando, Fla.

Terri also has a 16-year-old son from a former marriage who has lived with her mom and dad for the past few months in Roseburg. The teen's father also lives in the area and the two are on a Boy Scout camping trip this weekend.

It will be difficult to give him the news, Moulton said.

"It's a total mystery," she said. "He just vanished. I just can't believe it."

Staff writer Stephen Beaven of The Oregonian contributed to this report.

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/details_emerge_about_the_day_k.html

So... no other children besides Kyron gets off at their bus stop. 

On that day we have Kaine, Terri and the baby standing at/near the bus stop at the end of their driveway.

The bus driver, not seeing Kyron on the bus that afternoon, likely would not have intended to stop at that particular bus stop.  She likely was heading on down the street either toward or away from the other bus stop on their street. 

Just curious what happened with the bus driver. 

First of all... in a generic, typical sense...
What degree of responsibility does a bus driver have for those who ride their bus on a regular basis?  Does school staff escort the younger grades from/to the bus before/after school?  Do bus drivers do a head count for their regular riders?  Do they check with school staff if they come up one rider short or extra?  Or, do students taking the bus home just hop aboard and the driver leaves at a certain time, dropping off whichever of their regular riders gets on the bus that day? 

From what Kaine says, it seems to me that the only thing the bus driver knew was that Kyron wasn't on the bus that day.  Which means, evidently the driver didn't question school staff as to his whereabouts, and didn't wait to see if he was (groan.. just in the bathroom or getting a drink of water.. to cause him to be late getting to the bus).  In other words, the driver seems to have left the school without checking on the whereabouts of one of her regular riders.  If she had, she would have known that Kyron had been marked absent that day.

IMO <--- that's at least one more strike against the school, for what seems to be a lax policy with students taking a bus home.   

Ok, back to the bus stop at the end of their driveway.  Kaine/Terri and baby were waiting.... Did the bus driver, knowing Kyron was not on the bus, just pass them by?  When/if the bus didn't stop, did Kaine/Terri have to yell out or chase the bus down (on foot) to get the bus drivers attention?  Or, did the bus driver notice them standing there, and even tho she didn't have Kyron, stopped anyway?  How did it come to be that the driver stopped? 

Still interesting to me, what the early media reports were about this.  The following are earliest news reports, before any updating.

June 6th
Kyron was supposed to take the bus home Friday, so Terri went to the bus stop at 3:30 p.m. to pick him up.  But the bus driver told her he wasn't there.  Panicked, she ran home and called the school to discover that he had been marked absent for the day.  She called 9-1-1.

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/details_emerge_about_the_day_k.html

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June 10th
3:30 p.m. Terri Horman goes to meet the school bus and discovers that Kyron has been absent all day. She calls 9-1-1.

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/kyron_horman_chronology_of_eve.html

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June 11th
Kyron's step-mother notified school authorities of her son's not being on the bus at around 3:45pm Friday afternoon.

http://www.koinlocal6.com/news/local/story/Hormans-desk-mate-says-substitute-noticed-Horman/TVY3YTREG0SyCP3tb3MkZg.cspx

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June 13th
Kyron's stepmother met the school bus about 3:30 p.m., but the bespectacled 7-year-old wasn't aboard. She called Skyline, and the school secretary called 9-1-1.

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/kyron_horman_search_may_have_s.html#modg_smoref_face

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June 25
A new fact emerged that Kaine was with Terri when she went to pick Kyron up at the bus stop on June 4.

source: television interview

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Why did it take 21 days for Kaine to mention that he went to the bus stop with Terri?  Why was he silent on that for so long?  And then full of details galore, to the point of nearly TMI?  He put Kiara's shoes on her... They walked ahead of Terri to the bus stop... They were going to give Kyron a special treat of stopping for ice cream.  and etc.   

Why haven't we heard anything from the bus driver about that day?  Kyron's teacher?  Neither are talking, nor are any of the other school staff, parents, students, the majority of their family, the majority of their friends.  None (except for one student against the advise of LE) are answering even the simplest of questions.  Does this silence point to the guilt/responsibility of any?  Are any simply scared silent, for now?  Does their silence reflect a lack of answers to the questions, or a need to protect themselves?  Have they been advised to remain silent by anyone?   

Terri isn't talking either.  Does this silence point to her guilt/responsibility?  Is she simply scared silent, for now?  Does her silence reflect a lack of answers to the questions, or a need to protect herself?  Has she been advised to remain silent by anyone?   

Just some food for thought.  Trying to clear my head. 

I wrote out a long post earlier from things I re-read on page one, two and three of the first thread. I had all the quote and just decided it was getting too long and monotonous. So, I deleted it.

Here is the short version without quotes and links. They can all easily be found on those pages.

Gina Zimmerman is the PTA President and mother of Madi (I hope I have spelled her name correctly) Madi is the friend of Kyron. Zimmerman is quote many times and she is the person that has given the description of Kyron as timid and following the rules. Says he is a good boy. I don't know how well she knows him, but I would expect that she as the head of the PTA has vast experience with children and knows what she is talking about.

Also quoted was Carol Moulton - Terri's mom and Kyron's (step) grandmother. She is not described as 'step'.
She said that Kyron is not the type to walk away, and he is a bit of a dreamer. Her most compelling point was this - Kyron would not go outside by himself - but he might accompany a friend. Hmm, interesting. And that's a pretty close paraphrase.

Also, according to that early info was the fact that Kyron's class was across the hall from the office IIRC. And this led directly to the south exit.

Let's say that the bus driver is on a route and very likely that's 100% true. Let's also say that the bus driver did stop because he / she saw the Hormans standing there. Let's say that the driver stopped to notify them that Kyron was not on the bus. Let's say all that is true.

It's hard to believe that the bus driver, probably the lowest paid school district employee, was the only one that recognized something was wrong. Kyron is no where to be seen all day. His back pack and other materials are around. One student alerted the teacher that he may have gone and gotten a drink of water or in the bathroom. It's hard to fathom that no one noticed that Kyron was missing. This really deifies the laws of believability.
I believe it was Kyron's aunt that said - it was like a vortex or time warped opened and Kyron was gone - paraphrased. I could believe that in this case except people don't dematerialize nor vaporize.

MAD ICON!!!

Desiree Young: "I had feelings about this (Terri) when I got the (first) phone call"

Last Update: 8:33 am  

Terri may talk to the media

PORTLAND, Ore. – Terri Moulton Horman was “blindsided” by the divorce papers, according to a close friend.

A friend of Terri who wished to remain anonymous, told KOIN Local 6 Kyron Horman’s step-mother was caught off guard when she was served divorce papers as well as a restraining order from her husband and Kyron’s father, Kaine Horman.

“Terri didn’t know she was going to be hit with divorce papers or a restraining order,” the friend said.

The friend said Terri may consider talking publicly and airing her side of the story.

“She’s been doing what Kaine said all along and he’s been telling her to stay quiet. The public will benefit from hearing what she has to say.”

http://www.koinlocal6.com/content/news/topstories/story/Terri-Horman-called-911-during-police-sting/Dz4uMChK60KCWjy3W5FG4Q.cspx?p=5

OK, I wasn't suspicious of Stepmom until you posted this!! OMG, that is the last place I would be. My hinkymeter is starting to get some action. I just think that is incredibly insensitive to be going to the gym to work out....this is beyond frustrating!!

This is what the post looked like (posted JUNE 8, 2010) (I cant screen shot, because I am short on time, but this is the jist of MelisB's find:

 Jennifer Hill  Terri, I'm free afternoons all week long if you still want to meet up. And of course I can make myself free anytime if you need anything at all... We will continue to be here for you guys, just let us know how we can help. *hugs* for each of you
15 hours ago ·

Terri Moulton Horman
Hitting the gym tomorrow. I didn't get home until 8pm tonight...
15 hours ago


Jennifer Hill
I figured as much. Txt me when u go, if the timing works out ill keep u company.
8 hours ago

http://www.facebook.com/terri.horman#!/terri.horman?v=wall   (http://www.facebook.com/terri.horman#!/terri.horman?v=wall)

ON JVM - I think it was Mike Brooks - he said that Terri entered her friend's life and ended up taking care of her son. Paraphrased. I don't know if this info is correct or not. That was the early story - but was counter by Desiree. Either way - more confusion.

Also, and Nut might like this. JVM was ripping someone for having a mullet. This is like Billy Ray Cyrus ripping someone for having a mullet..:lol:.. < grin > ..Like Michael Bolton laff'n behind someone's back for having a mullet.

It is sad to think of what this child may have been going through in the 7 hours he was missing and not one person noticed he was missing. I have often wondered if he was hoping someone would come save him....So many people dropped the ball.

If what we know now is all they got, I think there is reasonable doubt at this point.

Obviously they do not have a strong case or she would be arrested. As she is out free she can run or she can clam up or she can kill herself . If they believe she is holding the key to Kyrons whereabouts then putting her on the defensive will not get us to Kyron. Ever hear of the saying , you catch more flies with honey then you do vinager? This is why I have said they need to stop the interviews or at least change the focus of the interviews off of Terri and onto Kyron. This is not going to get them what they want in the long run and that is finding Kyron. It is probably making them feel better and that is all good, but it will not get to their ultimate goal.

Rob - not getting your reasoning here at all. Just because a woman is elected PTA President has NOTHING to do with having a vast experience with children. A woman with only 1 child and no real time spent with other kids can still be elected. All anyone has to do is be good with school politics and cliques,and have the time. desire and a little extra money. PTA officials are not unknown to be involved in scandals, either. It has happened before, so even their character can be questionable in some cases. Not accusing this particular lady of anything, but being a PTA President doesn't mean a whole lot. As far as this case goes, this woman is merely a witness. I'm sure she's a great person, and is upset about Kyron, but that's as far as it goes here.
I'm sure LE has interviewed everyone at the school, investigated it well, and it has been determined that Kyron did not leave with another child. The focus is on Terri for a reason. All the evidence points to her as the person behind Kyron's disappearance. LE has information that we don't, and Kyron's parents seem to be certain as well.
Some posters locked in on Terri's innocence, and on Kaine as the bad person in the first few days, and even with all the new information, it seems that opinions are not changing. Kaine's son is missing, his life has been threatened by Terri, and his whole world has been turned upside down by her, and yet.....some people are still determined to bash him. That makes no sense. Kaine is a victim too, and I feel bad for him.

Rob - not getting your reasoning here at all. Just because a woman is elected PTA President has NOTHING to do with having a vast experience with children. A woman with only 1 child and no real time spent with other kids can still be elected. All anyone has to do is be good with school politics and cliques,and have the time. desire and a little extra money. PTA officials are not unknown to be involved in scandals, either. It has happened before, so even their character can be questionable in some cases. Not accusing this particular lady of anything, but being a PTA President doesn't mean a whole lot. As far as this case goes, this woman is merely a witness. I'm sure she's a great person, and is upset about Kyron, but that's as far as it goes here.
I'm sure LE has interviewed everyone at the school, investigated it well, and it has been determined that Kyron did not leave with another child. The focus is on Terri for a reason. All the evidence points to her as the person behind Kyron's disappearance. LE has information that we don't, and Kyron's parents seem to be certain as well.
Some posters locked in on Terri's innocence, and on Kaine as the bad person in the first few days, and even with all the new information, it seems that opinions are not changing. Kaine's son is missing, his life has been threatened by Terri, and his whole world has been turned upside down by her, and yet.....some people are still determined to bash him. That makes no sense. Kaine is a victim too, and I feel bad for him.

Deenie - Polygraphs are not the unbeatable and not a true judgment on someone guilt or innocence. Some lunatic from Aruba took two of them in Houston and according to Tim Miller passed them both. We know he was lying.

They are a tool - inadmissible in court. What they can do is allow LE to look in other directions if they feel the person was truthful and honest. Of course, some test results can depend on the polygrapher, the questions asked, what order the questions are asked, and the type of test itself.

One of the cases we have been following had the test subject score a minus 11. That's called an epic fail. There are degrees of failure. And of course there is "inconclusive".

I have never heard of a law enforcement agency telling the husband and the ex-wife that the current wife has failed. They just don't share that info. They use it to further the investigation. Then again, you never know with this police department and what has happened to date - but I seriously doubt it happened as described.

Deenie - Polygraphs are not the unbeatable and not a true judgment on someone guilt or innocence. Some lunatic from Aruba took two of them in Houston and according to Tim Miller passed them both. We know he was lying.

They are a tool - inadmissible in court. What they can do is allow LE to look in other directions if they feel the person was truthful and honest. Of course, some test results can depend on the polygrapher, the questions asked, what order the questions are asked, and the type of test itself.

One of the cases we have been following had the test subject score a minus 11. That's called an epic fail. There are degrees of failure. And of course there is "inconclusive".

I have never heard of a law enforcement agency telling the husband and the ex-wife that the current wife has failed. They just don't share that info. They use it to further the investigation. Then again, you never know with this police department and what has happened to date - but I seriously doubt it happened as described.

Patricia

I don't believe that anything that Terri has to say will reveal the truth ... the truth she attempted to cover up from the getgo with her lies ... lies discovered by authorities through cell phone records and ... her lies revealed through two failed polygraphs.

My point?  Kaine attempts to control what ANYBODY says to the media regarding all aspects of the case.

Could it be that his motive is to assure that no negative attention is directed on him?

Could it be that that explosed skeletons in his life may reveal that he may indirectly to take responsibility for the disappearance of his son?

Janet

Mister Kaine may not be the analytical thinker that some have suggested if he has not taken into consideration what can happen with a mentally ill woman under a cloud of suspicion and pressure. Especially since Terri knows what happened to Kyron according to Kaine and Desiree. She could take a load of pills and go to sleep. And there goes any chance for any info from her. Guess he didn't think that far ahead.

Personally, I think it's all a load of BS from Mister Kaine just for pressure and public embarrassment. But that's how he rolls in my opinion.

I loved how he thought the world of Intel was coming to abrupt halt because of his directive. Lmao! That directive was - if anyone knows my business and has heard any water cooler talk - just know I'm talking to the legal department. I think he's rather shallow. Intel has nothing to do with this case except he works there.

The Situation? What the heck lol. It's not a situation. It's a missing child. YOUR child Mister Kaine.

If what we know now is all they got, I think there is reasonable doubt at this point.

Obviously they do not have a strong case or she would be arrested. As she is out free she can run or she can clam up or she can kill herself . If they believe she is holding the key to Kyrons whereabouts then putting her on the defensive will not get us to Kyron. Ever hear of the saying , you catch more flies with honey then you do vinager? This is why I have said they need to stop the interviews or at least change the focus of the interviews off of Terri and onto Kyron. This is not going to get them what they want in the long run and that is finding Kyron. It is probably making them feel better and that is all good, but it will not get to their ultimate goal.

There is an image of both Terri and Kaine leaving the gym following a workout.  However ... only Terri is vulified.  Why?

I cannot comprehend why either Terri and/or Kaine would be working out at a gym only days following the disappearance of Kyron.

Janet

There is an image of both Terri and Kaine leaving the gym following a workout.  However ... only Terri is vulified.  Why?

I cannot comprehend why either Terri and/or Kaine would be working out at a gym only days following the disappearance of Kyron.

Janet

"She's been doing what Kaine said all along and he's been telling her to stay quiet." 

And then Kaine turns and is nailing her to the wall for not talking.   I guess not too many want to see the problem in that. 

The boy's parents were not ready to speak, Lt. Mary Lindstrand said Sunday.
msnbc link to updated / original story
www.msnbc.msn.com/id/37547980/ns/us_news-life/

...and the very first is the school.

Thank-you, that is what I've been trying to get answered, that the police dept doesn't usually share that info with someone, if Terri did fail the poly.

Local tv stations in Portland, KATU and KPTV were there when Terri and a friend were out somewhere today in a parking lot. I couldn't get the video to work, but supposedly Terri didn't say anything, and the friend was shielding her. I haven't read who the friend was.

That gym was the one Kaine worked out at.  I believe they were both there that day not just to work out..but it was a command center of sorts for people to drop off donations of food, water, etc. for the searchers.  I think that whole issue got out of control.  But that was Kaine's gym per the RO..Terri's gym is 24 Hour Fitness.

Former detective: Parents’ silence not unheard of but not the norm
June 10, 2010

KATU News extended an invitation to Horman’s parents to speak to the media after a reporter found them at a local gym Wednesday after their workout.

But the Horman’s drove off without responding to a question how the media could help.

http://www.katu.com/news/local/96033344.html?


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http://www.katu.com/news/local/96033344.html?tab=video

I just posted it.  Not a friend but an associate of the attorney. 

I just posted it.  Not a friend but an associate of the attorney. 

let's say this - the police can tell Kaine and Desiree that she didn't pass. It doesn't have to be the truth. They can lie to further the investigation.

They could have also told them she passed if they thought that might generate something of interest.

Wyks said;

On page one of thread one - there is an article that said the Portland Public School system had a automated dialer that was used for alerting the parents that Kyron was missing. So, they did have some sort of system and recognized it's value. But there was no system in place at Skyline, and get this - we don't have a problem with absenteeism. 

More likely they have a problem with accountability.

Please check out the video and ... article.  Sorry to burst your bubble in regards to Kaine.

I am off.

Janet

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Yep appears they were both working out. I am not sure what that means in the scope of it all, they were not doing anything illegal but it does appear they both were at the gym working out.

Thank-you, so the police could have told them this, and didn't say to them, but please don't speak about it in public to the media.

I hope I'm not confusing you NRCG. It can be confusing. The police will not share the real and accurate info with Desiree and Kaine. Nor are they likely to tell Terri she passed or failed.

They can lie or provide false and misleading info to further the cause of finding Kyron. It's not against the law for the police to lie to suspects or witnesses.

What makes no sense here is that earlier I heard on JVM or Headline news that proceeded it - that Kaine and Desiree claim that Terri told them herself that she failed. I am not sure that she would know that and may have told them her inner thoughts on it. Or she may have been mislead to believe she failed and would need to show up again for another test on another date. That could all be true, all be false or it could be a combination of all.

The police are under no obligation to tell Terri, Kaine, or Desiree any of the facts. They may share some facts, no facts or all mistruths.

All that said - this investigation is not what the normal o b s e r v e r would expect.

Not Illegal.  However ... I believe it is inappropriate considering that Kyron  has been missing for less than a week.

Anyways ... if it is inappropriate for Terri to be working out ... it is inappropriate for Kaine to be working out.

I cannot comprehend the double standard.

Janet

http://www.kptv.com/livestream/index.html

live streaming, talking with DY and KH right now

OS

Thanks OS, I caught the end of it

I'm wondering if she took the first LDT because she was the last one to see Kyron.  Maybe they called her in for the second test because the landscaper had told them about the MFH plot and they wanted to question her to see what they could find out about that. 

Thank-you, that is what I've been trying to get answered, that the police dept doesn't usually share that info with someone, if Terri did fail the poly.

http://blogs.wweek.com/news/2010/07/09/kaine-horman-kyrons-stepmom-walked-out-on-polygraph/

Kaine Horman: Kyron’s Stepmom Walked Out on Polygraph (With Audio Clip)

Kaine Horman, father of 7-year-old Kyron Horman, tells WW the missing boy’s stepmom walked out of her second polygraph test before investigators even began asking questions.

“She didn’t even get hooked up to the machine. She walked out before they hooked her up,” Horman told WW in an interview Thursday night.

The stepmom, Terri Moulton Horman, is the focus of an investigation into Kyron’s June 4 disappearance from Skyline K-8 School. Investigators say she’s the last person known to have seen the boy.

(snipped)

http://www.komonews.com/news/local/98147474.html    About obtaining tapes from two stores.

AndrewPadula twitter
 
at Skyline Elem for tonight's Kyron Horman Candlelight vigil. I'll update through out the evening. Live at 8 on KPDX and at 10pm on FOX12.

OS

AndrewPadula twitter
 
at Skyline Elem for tonight's Kyron Horman Candlelight vigil. I'll update through out the evening. Live at 8 on KPDX and at 10pm on FOX12.

OS

I can see the bus driver being told by staff Kyron was not at school this day. As the bus driver made her rounds dropping off kids she see's them standing there and she stops. I bet when she saw them her heart stopped for a moment knowing that staff had told her he was not at school.

The bus driver is responsible for the children once they are on the bus and once they step foot off the bus. Depending on the state laws, if a child is under a certain age, they are to be handed off to an adult.

This is crazy.

Kaine said she FAILED both polygraphs, and now he is saying that she didn't even take the second one.

What the .... ?!?!

It can't be both.

She couldn't have failed the second polygraph if she didn't even take it. And not only that, Kaine / Desiree said that Terri told them that she FAILED both polygraphs.

Something is not adding up.

Does us knowing that Terri supposedly didn't pass her poly that she once suffered from PDD, that she may have had an affair, that she may have tried to have Kaine killed, does that lead us any close to finding Kyron? I have been asking myself this question all day. Why are Kaine and Desiree out there giving all of these details yet at the same time say they want the focus on Kyron? Then it dawned on me, Perhaps they are sending messages out to the person they feel may have Kyron. Perhaps they are telling their side of the story in hopes the person who has Kyron will have a change of heart and not help Terri. 

Well, I'd say walking out on the 2nd would be considered failing, LOL.