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TY Muffy

I can't find the waving hand.

OS

 Havrellykgw
 
We have a new statement from Kyron Horman's parents.. putting it together for the 5pm broadcast. #kyron

Hi OS (http://bestsmileys.com/waving/5.gif)

I may have to send a monkey shuttle bus back to thread #4.  There's still 20 members and 20 guests over there..

Please bear with us as we get used to changing threads at 50.  (http://bestsmileys.com/friendly/4.gif)

Interview from TH mother on or about June 18th, strikes me as so far from what we are seeing today...
qoute fom Carol Moulton
His disappearance is devastating for the close-knit family, which plays board games together, goes bowling and enjoys visits to the Oregon Zoo. A few years ago, the family took a trip to Walt Disney World in Orlando, Fla.

link to full article:http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/details_emerge_about_the_day_k.html (http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/details_emerge_about_the_day_k.html)

Thank-you

Song played at Kyron's candlelight vigil last Friday night.  Please listen, and have kleenex handy.

'Godspeed' little man...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VqaBof47pmY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VqaBof47pmY)

~~~~~

To light a candle for Kyron, here's the link:

Group *Kyron* has  466 candles from 14 countries

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=Kyron (http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=Kyron)

Were is this at?

aww there it is, I forget where to find them..LOL My brain doesn't work well anymore...

OS

You did great Miss Muffy!! I had your back! LOL!

I think here, not sure though. I am looking. He's a KGW guy..

http://www.kgw.com/video/featured-videos/AZ-runaway-dog-reunited-in-PDX-with-owner-98178334.html

OS

Thank you CBB.  (http://bestsmileys.com/hugging/1.gif)

I totally forgot!  Thanks Muffy!

Here's his twitter

http://twitter.com/Havrellykgw

Gypsy DD answering from the previous thread--Do you suppose that the night before Kaine may have been there helping set up?  Or maybe Terri specifically told him to stay home with Kaira while she and Kaine set up the exhibit?

She is the camera person in the family..I am in mine, so is my Mom.  In my husbands family his Dad is the camera person..who is taking the shots seems to be of little consequence.  That is the way most familys are..husbands and wives don't usually shoot the same pics or even event that I am aware of.

While all that may be true all I am thinking is why wasn't Desiree more involved with her son , my sister never misses on of my nephew's events, if she does he has an anxiety attack, it is so important to kids.  And all I was wondering, why didn't she make plans to spend the night go to the event and then check him out a couple of hours early?  Once you are in school after around 11 you are counted as attending for a full day.  I just do not feel she took an active role as "the mother" to Kyron, and would like to know why, from her.  Not saying if all this is true about Terri or not, the police have stated that Terri was more credible than the LS during the sting, that strikes me as out of place, is this a witch hunt?

Just as info this cage is a very bad influence on me, I really should be busy doing my work, but being here I just can't take myself away.
I want answers, want little Kyron to come home alive.  Can't help but think back to Caylee Anthony and how emotionally invested I and so many became and the outcome was tragic, so much so I had to walk away for quite a while.
For some reason this case has me going back to thinking about events in the Caylee Anthony case, not good....

Thank-you MuffyBee and CBB.  I enjoyed the bouncy Monkey Shuttle. :o)

I think I know what you are getting at. I think you and I are on the same page as to why Desiree did not try to be more than a part time mom. Especially in light of the fact that she does not seem to care much for the step-mom. If I thought my child were being raised by a pathological liar that was not balanced, I would be back in court in a jiffy. Actually, I would fight tooth and nail to have had custody all along. At least 1/2 and 1/2. Everyone is different. Maybe Tony is the one who did not want Kyron in the home full time. It is just so hard to say. Maybe when she left to get medical treatment Kaine filed abandonment charges against her. Who knows.

It's 8 there now, can anyone find a live feed of the news?

edited.

Klaas, Wyks, anybody...Does anyone have the name of the guy that called in the "white truck sighting"?..I mean, off the top of your head w/o going through the last thread... please?

d,

I am going to clean, too, LOL.  This case reminds me of Darlie Routier (she was rumored to be obsessed with herself).
Sending Bananas Splits to all the monkeys (imaginary ones) how I loved that ice cream treat.

I looked all over the site, unless I missed it I can't find one. grrrrr.

OS

Jim Kelley

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/day_three_search_continues_hun.html

Me too. I found a Live at 7 link though. LOL

Guess we have to wait til they post an article/video.

OS- bestsmileys.com (Sorry for OT) 
It's toward the end of another day, and we still don't know where Kyron is.  I'm so afraid for him.  I hope someone has a conscience and  tells what they know.  JMHO

now i know whats up thanks

answers to 2 of your Qs from T#4
Kyron's parents addressed accounts that he was scheduled to perform in a talent show the day he disappeared, saying they didn't know it beforehand.

Kaine Horman said investigators have searched his home and property several times and would be welcome to do so as many times as needed.


http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/kyron_hormans_parents_reveal_n.html
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i missed this
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/07/judge_releases_restraining_ord.html

Kaine Horman asks judge to make Terri Moulton Horman move out of his house
Published: Thursday, July 08, 2010, 12:06 PM     Updated: Thursday, July 08, 2010, 6:43 PM
 Maxine Bernstein, The Oregonian

snipped
Kaine Horman also Thursday asked the court to hold an expedited hearing to force his wife out of his house. Kaine Horman argues that their 19-month-old daughter, Kiara, has lived at their home on Northwest Sheltered Nook Road since she was born, and it would be in his children's best interest to live in the home they grew up in.

"Petitioner believes it is important for Kiara to be back in the family residence in order to provide her with stability and consistency,'' Rackner wrote in her motion filed today. "Petitioner believes it will be important for Kyron to be back in the family residence once he is located in order to provide him with stability and consistency.''

A hearing has been set for July 22 at 1:30 p.m. , giving Terri Horman a chance to argue why the Court should not kick her from their home.

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more on the above
Kyron Horman's father recalls when marriage to Terri Horman began to sour
Published: Thursday, July 08, 2010, 7:59 PM     Updated: Friday, July 09, 2010, 11:43 PM
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/07/kyron_hormans_father_recalls_w.html

My feeling, based on DY's statements is that she did not want to disrupt Kyron's life. She had serious health problems for a while, and then had to pay off her medical bills. She lived with her parents while she was regaining her health and her financial stability. Maybe her parents were not the best caretakers for Kyron. I think she felt that Kyron was better off with his Dad because her own life was unstable. For all we know, she may have been planning to get custody of both of her children at some point. But that takes a ton of money for legal fees, and it's not as easy as everyone thinks. Also....we don't know if DY still has health issues either. She may not be able to take the stress of raising children. We don't know if she called him every day, or visited with him via a webcam. We don't have all the facts.....

Thank you for the response! How old is her other child and where does that child live? Thanks in advance. I still cannot find the press conference anywhere!

Same here Muffy, unfortunately I don't think it will happen, maybe if they arrest someone. It just makes me sick, over and over.

OS

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8220.msg1181184#msg1181184
Brandi
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  Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #4 7/8/10 -
« Reply #947 on: July 11, 2010, 04:12:33 PM » 

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Quote from: no rose colored glasses on July 11, 2010, 03:59:16 PM
Quote from: d in texas on July 11, 2010, 03:42:16 PM
Why was no family member in attendance for the talent show? 
Kaine took off work early yet didn't make plans to attend the talent show? 
Terri didn't attend the talent show? 
Why didn't Desiree drive up Friday to see the display and the talent show then take Kyron home after the weekend?

If I was a reporter I would want answers to those questions, but oh no Kaine is in charge of what can and can't be asked a news conferance.  Something just doesn't make sense, am I the only one?

Oh believe me you are not the only one. For me it makes no sense that Kaine didn't go along to see the exhibit that Kyron was so proud of. Good question about Desiree driving down to see it and then take Kyron along back with her. Now the talent show seems to be in dispute, was he in it? Was he not? Was Kaine and Terri aware of the talent show? If Kyron was in the talent show, there is no way a kid that age wouldn't be chatting about it and excited. I can't imagine that.


Let alone practicing at home!

And Kaine took the afternoon off or worked from home, you'd think Terri and Kaine would have had plans on being there at the Talent show to see Kyron.
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cant find the story at the moment, but kaine said terrie was already in the house, when he got home, he kissed the baby,grabbed food,worked.
 just sounds like he expected TH to maybe not be home yet

I found this by a poster up in Oregon under an article. Does anyone know who this Michael Cook is?



So kaine is still pretending terri took Kyron and "Kyron is still alive" - so who does he think is taking care of him??? Obviously terri is under 24/7 surveillance so why are they not trying to track down her friends / family that may be involved if they think terri is involved. Oh - that's right - kaine "isn't qualified" to even look for Kyron and "he may get lost" or "destroy evidence"

Obviously if Kyron is found alive, he will tell who did what and where he was. Of course by kaine continuing to tell people Kyron is alive, he can continue to gaslight and put pressure on terri.

Likely kaines boyfriend (michael cook?) has Kyrton and he is going to move as soon as his divorce is settled - and take both kids with him. Likely a name change for all.

Does kaine think he will get all the community property because he told the judge he THINKS terri was involved in Kyron's disappearance??? If the judge forces terri to move out, kaine will likely be forced to pay $$$ for her rent.

michael cook is supposedly kaine's buddy - yet after kaine files the restraining order / divorce papers michael cook was seen bringing supplies to terri --- I still want to know more about that guy. I've thought he was involved since day one.


Posted on Kaine Horman asks judge to make Terri Moulton Horman move out of his house on July 08, 2010, 10:07PM

I would think if Desiree found Terri to be a threat she would have tried to take Kyron back and if that is not the case then hmmmm. Not sure if keeping the peace or money problems or distance or change in routine would trump a childs safety.  By her not doing that leads me believe she didn't see a pending threat upon Kyron. Or she just at any cost didn't want to be a full time mother, which is her choice of course.
She choose for whatever her reason to not have her son full time. There is no doubt that she is crushed though.

I am pretty sure the teenaged son lives with Desiree.

Except the house isn't community property.  Michael Cook went to school with Kaine as I understand it.

http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=1407043277&ref=ts

Not noticed a Michael Cook until you mentioned it. Google finds quite a few references with him and kaine:



Sounds like just a good friend to me.

Kaine had already seen the exhibit at home. He had a job.....in fact.....he was the only person in the household working at the time supporting the family. An Intel employee on another site said that they had meetings on Friday mornings...maybe that's true, and they are mandatory. But Kaine did see the Tree Frog project, and complimented his son on it before he left that morning.

I would also like to comment on a post made by someone on the last thread that Kaine was in control of  who spoke to the media and that the family did not speak because he said not to. This  is one of those rumors that got started on the internet. He asked his co-workers not to speak to the media early in the case, and I'm sure LE was directing him at that time. Since no one knew what they were facing, to have the media get involved could have caused harm to Kyron, and it certainly does muddy the waters to have people telling the media what LE was asking them about during their interviews. That information did not need to be in the public arena. Just look at the harm the e-mail release has caused because it was taken out of context of the situation at the time it was written.

I meant to add to the above post.....the Intel employee claim about meetings is not a fact.It has not been established as the truth.

Thanks Klaas!

KGW- We have a new statement from Kyron Horman's parents.. putting it together for the 5pm broadcast.

It was cancelled. Reason-law enforcement decisions will be heavy in the coming week.

Back at the end of the other thread it was mentioned again that there is no known personal info about DY and, IMO, there never will be.  Her husband is LE and personal info about LE families is kept quiet, it's a safety issue.

actually I need to correct myself on the last post they did release a little more than I implied

Kaine and Desiree released this statement:

"Our focus continues to be fully on the investigation and finding Kyron. All indications are that law enforcement obligations will be heavy in the coming week."

They additionally thanked everyone for keeping Kyron's story front and center.

Now I'm really curious as to what it was

TY

I can quit clicking that site..

Wonder what that exactly means? odd wording IMO.

OS

That's a really ugly thing to post about a man who has a missing child, and I sincerely doubt it's true.
I refuse to participate in that.

trying not to stack to much
Kaine had already seen the exhibit at home. He had a job.....in fact.....he was the only person in the household working at the time supporting the family. An Intel employee on another site said that they had meetings on Friday mornings...maybe that's true, and they are mandatory. But Kaine did see the Tree Frog project, and complimented his son on it before he left that morning.

I would also like to comment on a post made by someone on the last thread that Kaine was in control of  who spoke to the media and that the family did not speak because he said not to. This  is one of those rumors that got started on the internet. He asked his co-workers not to speak to the media early in the case, and I'm sure LE was directing him at that time. Since no one knew what they were facing, to have the media get involved could have caused harm to Kyron, and it certainly does muddy the waters to have people telling the media what LE was asking them about during their interviews. That information did not need to be in the public arena. Just look at the harm the e-mail release has caused because it was taken out of context of the situation at the time it was written.



im trying to understand ,and kyrons bio parents are under a huge stress,
but they take their time about what they will say when they say it,
stands to reason they would chose their wording of the statements,
 just as carefully, yet a lot of times thats way off to me
guess they are their own proof readers, for their statements

this whole dam case is just odd, to h311 with their words where is kyron

This is an excellent timeline created to go back if you forgot something....
this is what has bothered me among so many things snipped from provided link:

Wednesday, June 9
Early a.m. Search and rescue crews resume looking.

Morning Terri Moulton Horman makes her Facebook wall private.

11 a.m. FBI spokeswoman Beth Anne Steele says the Hormon family "is not speaking to the media because they do not believe it's in the best interest of finding Kyron." (Edit to change color from red to blue)

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/kyron_horman_chronology_of_eve.html (http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/kyron_horman_chronology_of_eve.html)

hi Starlit, would you have the link to that, and welcome

I'm sorry I don't have a link ATM. I heard those exact words with my ears. The News guy read that off. As soon as I find it online I will post it.

Thanks Starlit.  Was it the Hormans that indicated LE would have a busy week this week or was it the broadcaster?  Also did they clearly say THIS week in that maybe someone was going to happen THIS week?  TIA

Thanks for the links D. On the one hand, it is odd that Terri chose THAT afternoon to post the pictures of Kyron on facebook. Yet, if you look at it another way, it makes sense as she allegedly took the photos that morning.

They showed a written statement on the screen and that is what it said word for word. The broadcaster just read it aloud and then he moved on. It was very quick.

Respect your views as this is all any of us have at this moment, I like many am just stating what bothers me and or them, brainstorming if you want to call it. 
Also the fact he didn't go to the display totally get it went to work may have set it up the prior night surely helped him make it saw the finished product etc. etc., don't think I asked or questioned in reference to the project, I questioned if Kaine was off work early why didn't he, nor Desiree the biological mother who was to have Kyron for the weekend or however long not attended said talent show, along with all the other "why's". For that matter Terri no one had made plans to attend talent show.
Believe my question directed at/towards Kaine was merely wondering why he nor any family members attended the talent show if indeed Kyron was to be in said talent show.
Speaking for myself I am not throwing stones at ANY member of this family bio parent or step parent, I just see something not fitting in this neat little package of terror, instability, and maybe crazy they want to put Terri into.
If Kaine didn't instruct Intel via the email who did?  If Kaine and family didn't release this information who might have?---Wednesday, June 9
11 a.m. FBI spokeswoman Beth Anne Steele says the Hormon family "is not speaking to the media because they do not believe it's in the best interest of finding Kyron."
snipped from>>>>http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/kyron_horman_chronology_of_eve.html

Wasn't it James Kelley?  James M. Kelley?

Thanks Starlit

It's understandable then why there is no mention of it on their site.

However, Wayne Havrelly of KGW did tweet that they were going to show it on the 5 PM news.

He has not explained that via tweets yet. I tweeted him asking about it, will post if I get an answer.

thanks sebastian, and d
happy they are updating , hadnt checked for awhile
work is early c ya, maybe kyron will be home in the morn

I'm going through 911 calls & ran across something...Is it normal for 911 calls to be placed in the same immediate area as the Horman home over a period of time? I mean, it doesn;t seem like their immediate normally has these types of calls...just sayin'...

Please refer to the following link:
http://portland.everyblock.com/city-911-calls/locations/zipcodes/97231/by-date/2010-01-01,2010-07-11/

Note on site:
ABOUT CITY 911 CALLS SUMMARY
All calls to Portland's 911 dispatch system — ranging from reports of animal problems to stolen vehicles — are published by the city. In this section of EveryBlock, you can find out what calls to 911 were made near you. The city notes that it only publishes "closed, non-confidential" calls. Each report includes the location of the call, the time and date it was made, a short description of what was reported (smoke in area, hazardous conditions, automatic fire alarms, etc.), the responding agency (Portland Police, Portland Fire, etc.) and a unique identification number for each call.

Note that the city says it updates some calls. When that happens, we will update the record on EveryBlock.

This is Terri's 1st 911 call (Note - 15700-15800 Block):
(http://i563.photobucket.com/albums/ss80/_Titch_/Kyron%20Horman/062610_911.jpg)

This is from the 21st of June (Note - 16300-16400 Block):
(http://i563.photobucket.com/albums/ss80/_Titch_/Kyron%20Horman/062110_10.jpg)

Now look at this from March 29th (Note - 16200-16300 Block):
(http://i563.photobucket.com/albums/ss80/_Titch_/Kyron%20Horman/032910_911.jpg)

Keep in mind that not all calls are in here if they're not closed cases, etc, but this is crazy! They live in area where not alot of stuff goes on. How ironic is it that I just pulled off 3 911 calls that happened within 3 months of one another. Area Check in March, Area Check June 21st, then the Threat call on June 29th! Maybe the "Area Check" calls were bc somebody was spotted in that area that seemed "strange" so people called it in? IDK. But I do find it highly suspiscious. I mean, think about it - the 1600 block is where Tanner lives - he is Kyron's best friend! Could somebody have been scouting out both of these kids? Only being hypothetical but it sure does seem strange. I'm trying to keep an open mind, so I woke up today & said I'm gonna go in another direction just to play the "what if" game. Now I'm really wondering WHAT IF!

I don't really see that as odd "if" she was just posting the pics, proud, etc.  Didn't she post a lot of pictures of the children? (drives me crazy when my friends do this on facebook it SO not safe jmo)....
Now if it was to establish an alibi whole different outlook on her motives but like everything else WE DoN't know, I do however take stock in mutual friends of Kaine and Terri not shunning her, that to me says a lot about her character....

Answer: Wayne Havrelly   Havrellykgw
 
@Brandimonkey Statement aired at 5pm. Kaine and Desiree said "all indications are that law enforcement obligations will be heavy this week"
http://twitter.com/Havrellykgw

Does that wording :law enforcement obligations : strike anyone else as a wierd choice of words, why should I be surprised...

I am praying that there is a conclusion very soon! Kyron has been gone far too long!

Thank you Klaas & New Monkey...

 Havrellykgw
 
@Brandimonkey I just talked to the web folks and they will be putting the statement up on our site shortly.

http://twitter.com/Havrellykgw

That is why I posted my previous post about Michael Cook. I wanted to know who he was and it seemed that someone felt he was still friends with TH after all of these allegations abotu her. I found that rather telling as well. I did not ask anyone in particular to participate??? Whatever that means. I am still with you on this. It seems to me that TH has had a lot of friends in the past that really loved her based on things that I read on her facebook prior to it being taken down. I wish we could hear from some of those same friends now.

Cant anyone just say something and use straight forward language? Sheesh. Didn't last week we hear the the sheriff had a lot of decisions to me, now obligations are going to heavy. WTH does that mean?

I hope I am wrong, but I think it means that they still need more time. I pray there truly is a conclusion next week. Poor Kyron!

Good lord, I agree with that, Tracygirl!

I also thought Staton told us that this past week was one full of decisions. I had hoped to see some movement by LE by now, based on that.

Sounds like more of the same to me. Maybe they made their "decisions" last week and now they have "obligations." LOL

Whatever the heck that is!

To me that is the strangest statement yet, almost as if they (Kaine and Desiree) are saying obligations to them/Kyron, I hate code talk, jmo here but that is more damning and detrimental to Kyron than just spitting out the truth...and say what you mean or better yet say nothing at all.
I have never been in this situation, so feel guilty even questioning motives of the family but makes no sense, when certain statements seem to contradict what is known.
My sister is going through a terrible ordeal her SIL was murdered in her home(SIL home) this past Tuesday upperscale Phoenix area no witness, no robbery, no assault nothing, my niece found her.

I am so sorry for your tragic loss. How terrible for you and your families.

Can people take someone's name like this, like the third site as of now?  OMG???? am I the only one not getting this>>>>
http://www.terrihorman.com/

This site is in no way affiliated with the Hormon's or Terri Moulton Horman. I do not know them and have never met them. There are many who have questions about this investigation and the background of Terri Horman and the main purpose of this site is to aggregate news relating to the case. Comments and open discussion here are encouraged.

Yes they can, it's done all the time.  Often (I don't know about this guy) the person who "grabs" the domain name will sell it for a price.

Titch,
I dunno what those specific 'area checks' by LE were all about.  It is a rural area tho.  I live in a very rural area, the closest (two police officers) being at least 1/2 hour away, if lucky.  Every week there is an 'area check' here, a cruiser just slowly tours our very few roads in this village, waving at residents who may be outside.  Ours stopped once out front, and from his car commented on the fence we had just built out back, saying it might not be high enough to contain 3 husky pups, and grinned, heading on down the road.  LOL  He was right about that!  I wouldn't give too much thought to an 'area check' in a rural community.  But that's just me.  :) 

So money may be the motive?  As well as traffic to the blog that is what it is all about, but what about defamation of character?  Using someone's name and talking about them? 

That's a possibility that this guy that purchased the domain name could be hearing from Terri Horman's lawyer. 

Oh gahhhhh!  I was over there and wondered why I couldn't post replies... LOL.  Thought I was losing my mind.

By the way..... I am in my 50s and still wear bangs.... so THERE!  LOL

IMO.. Means LE isn't ready yet to say/do anything of substance, so carefully worded statements from them, loaded with as much ambiguity as possible, very likely meant to keep the media/public as busy as possible with rumors, speculations and etc.  IMO.  ;)

Right, Wyks...I gotcha...but these were on the 911 call log. How odd, if it was a routing area check, or maybe a check in general as the cops were riding through the area...but in the same exact vicinity of the Horman home is highly ironic. Try that link out. There's tona all over the place but only those 3 calls for the immediate area of Sheltered Nook...then all of a sudden a boy from Sheltered Nook winds up missing & endangered? Think about it...the police suddenly decide to do an area check on a whim & 3 months later a kid from that same area goes missing? Since it showed up on a 911 call log, does that mean this was called in? That's how I took it. Hmmm, seems a bit coincidental, no?

It's gonna bug the heck outta me all night now. No other "area checks" in that immediate area, none...then Kyron goes missing.

Hi Wyks,
I tried sending you an email the other day and it came back to me. Do you still have my email address from the Dubois case? Thanks!

There's a phone interview with the guy who started www.terrihorman.com at http://www.kxl.com/IN-DEPTH-AUDIO--TerriHorman-com-Launches/7656660

Took me forever to find it again! LOL

But there ya go.

Try this  -  Myst_Wyks@yahoo.com

I am so sorry about the terrible loss in your family, d in Texas!  May justice be served for your sister-in-law. 

(I'm in Texas, too.)

Glad you found the new thread, bananas.  You can add me to the bang wearing club, and I'm also in my 50's.  ;-0

I really hope we'll get some news of Kyron's whereabouts in the next day or so.  He's been missing for so long now...

Wyks, check this out...

Area Check - Jul 09, 2010 - NW ST HELENS RD/ST JOHNS BR
Threats     - Jun 26, 2010 - 15700-15800 NW SHELTERED NOOK RD
Area Check - Jun 21, 2010 - 16300-16400 NW SHELTERED NOOK RD
Area Check - Jun 02, 2010 - 8000-8100 NW KAISER RD
Area Check - May 29, 2010 - NW BRIDGE AV/NW GERMANTOWN RD
Area Check - May 13, 2010 - NW ST HELENS RD/ST JOHNS BR
Area Check - Mar 29, 2010 - 16200-16300 NW SHELTERED NOOK RD

This is all from now back til March 11th. Sheltered Nook just jumps out at me. I think it's too ironic, coincidental that Kyron goes missing on June 4th a few short months after the Mar 29 check, then it's checked on the 21st & the landscaper dude decides to come clean & wear a wire, then the threat 911 call that we all know Terri made. IDK, when I see it in black & white, it sorta makes me feel like something's "there". The Area Check's that I gave above are all of the area checks in that time period. The percentage is too high considering the amount of other areas to be covered. So, why Sheltered Nook? Maybe I've been on the computer too much. Gonna get some sleep. Have a nice night everyone.

D in Texas - sending lots of love & prayers your way. Very sorry to hear about your family's despair.

KH and DY have both said they had no knowledge of the talent show.  It has not been established as a fact the Kyron was supposed to be in the show. Someone who is a parent made that statement about his participation. It did not come from LE. It was also said that parents were not expected, that the show was for students and teachers only. That is also a rumor.
In the beginning of this case, we have no idea what evidence LE had, or what they knew. I don't think DY and her husband are in any way controlled by Kaine. If DY had believed that going to the media would've brought Kyron home, she would've been calling them herself. I feel that the family was following the directions of the FBI and the sheriff's office. i believe they were trying to protect the integrity of the case. Why anyone would believe that DY's husband would allow Kaine to run his wife's decisions is just beyond me.
I can respect the views of others, but I can't respect the harshness directed toward the father of a missing child who is living a nightmare, especially when that harshness is due to rumors and misinformation. I do not understand all the compassion for Terri, who is willing to put 4 innocent children through hell, while KH is being hung out to dry for the smallest thing that is a rumor anyway.  I feel that somebody needs to point out that maybe, since he is a victim, he might be even more deserving of compassion than than Terri Horman.

d in Texas- I'm so sorry.  Prayers going out for you, your family and your SIL.  I hope there will be justice for her.

I agree 100%

Yep.  Me too.  Good post, pdh3.

I 2nd that...Especially since I watched the most recent interview with Desiree & Kaine.

I completely agree.  Whatever his relationships past and present, they obviously have no bearing on his being a parent.  You can tell he loves his son and just wants him back.  Terri on the other hand is starting to remind me of Casey Anthony.

Very well stated, I completely agree.

"I do however take stock in mutual friends of Kaine and Terri not shunning her, that to me says a lot about her character...."



How do you know that? Is that confirmed?
How does that tell you anything about her character? Maybe the friends are trying to find Kyron by staying in contact.

I agree with that too.  Desiree and Kaine are also victims.  I see the hurt and fear in their eyes and I feel so sorry for them.  They must know, as we do, that as days go by the chances of Kyron being alive and well fade.  I hope I'm wrong.  I also hope that Kaine doesn't read or know about the harsh statements and speculation about him on the internet.  He already has a very heavy burden to carry.

I don't think anyone is giving Terri compassion, well perhaps some but that is because they don't feel she is guilty just as you don't feel Kiane is guilty of anything. People are entitled to their opinions and if it differs from ones views, it is ok.  Others I think are trying to reach out to her in the hopes of finding Kyron. Isn't that the point of all of this anyway? To find Kyron? If reaching out to this woman might bring Kyron home, I think it is worth a try.

So much of this case has been based on assumptions, rumors and opinions and that goes for both sides in my opinion. I don't think anyone can say at this point with 100% certainty they know what happened that day to Kyron. 

Kyron is the real victim in this. He is just a child and didn't have the choices the adults in his life had. 

Thanks Wyks, you have Nanners. Do you want Klaas to remove your email address? Thanks much!

I am truly sorry D in Texas. I cannot even imagine how hard this must be for you! I will say a prayer for you and your family!

I do not KNOW anything as fact only on what I read, not quite sure why you have picked my statements apart, I am just thinking out loud and maybe I should stop "thinking out loud".  I have not formed any opinions, I learned that from the Casey Anthony case, and am very fearful this is leading that way, in the form of Terri Horman.  I just don't get a lot of the actions being taken.
A lot is being said, and a lot is not being said.  As to the friends of both Kaine and Terri I was referring to published reports from earlier  in the evening will go back and look that up.
I have tried extremely hard to not but a negative light on any family member as I stated before I have never been threw something like this and have no idea the pain and horror they must be feeling.  My questions are about all of them things we don't know more likely will never know, and have no business knowing.
Have posted a picture from the initial interview where all four parents where in attendance noting the horror on Desiree's face and the indifferent look on Terri's face.
I am completely lost on this case as to why ANYONE would harm this little boy.
Truly sorry for offending you by my thought's.

d in Texas - I'm sorry to hear such a horrible thing has happened to your family.  I will pray for you and your family. 

Thankyou I just feel so sorry for my sister and her family.  I spoke with her tonight about an hour ago and feel so bad for her, her sil was a super person, never would hurt anyone, my sister couldn't quite crying.  She was shot three times once in the chest once in the stomach I believe and the head, she was laid out with her eyes closed and her head tucked behind her ears.  She was in the middle of a divorce, but he is said to not be a person of interest.  We fear this will not be solved,  am headed to my sister on Wednesday. Here is the link...http://www.facebook.com/justiceforphyllis (http://www.facebook.com/justiceforphyllis)and the story..
http://www.azfamily.com/home/Woman-found-murdered-in-Phoenix-home-97951394.html (http://www.azfamily.com/home/Woman-found-murdered-in-Phoenix-home-97951394.html)
A lot more I can't go into quite yet..

I've started a thread for Phyliss in Scared Monkeys "Unsolved Crimes" Link:
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8269.msg1181527#msg1181527

Watching http://www.kptv.com/video/15359817/index.html stream their News at 10, and they mentioned the statement by Kyron's parents tonight, that we have discussed previously here.

The also reported that the family is going to launch a website soon to sell tee shirts and bracelets.

That's all they said about that.

Above BBM. I too was under this impression that Desiree's oldest son liver with her in Medford(I think that was just a natural assumption on my part)but I have since started to definitely think different and feel now that its seemingly more likely that he did not and that he too lived full time elsewhere(now where might elsewhere be?) Desiree says so herself in the PC with Tony at the Medford PD on July 6th. She states that she loved her time of going to get the BOYS (AS IN PLURAL, MORE THAN ONE BOY) and enjoyed the car rides while going to get the BOYS and bringing them home with her for the weekend... So what do you all make of that? Wouldn't that sound as tho she went to pick up both sons on their weekend to visit with mom and Tony? Does anyone have any info about this? I am quite interested to know. And where exactly are her parents(Kyron's grandparents)I mean I find it quite odd to not have heard hide nor hair of or from them? Wouldn't they have been at the pressers(atleast the one in her hometown of Medford) would they not be at the vigils? I know for sure my parents(my son's grandparents definitely would be all up in the investigation and in the search and in the searching, etc, etc... You couldnt keep my mom away!! So, it makes no sense to me why the only ppl(gparents) we've heard or seen of are the "step" grandparents(Moultons) for whom their daughter is the very one accused in the disappearance.. So, of course that would make them the least likely to be involved and it has been just the opposite????!! But as for Desiree's parents I am very much in question of WTH??!!?? I could understand(maybe understand but still would be no excuse for their lack of presence)if possibly there was a bad relationship with Desiree and her parents but we know this is NOT the case as this is who she leaned on fully and lived with in her time of need after her medical treatment in Canada. They not helped physically but also helped to financially be able to eventually get back on her feet... SO, even more WTH?? And WTH are they?.... TIA to anyone who knows any info about the teenaged son or about the maternal grandparents!!
OT: THANKS TO THE MANY FOR THE WARM WELCOME AM GLAD TO BE HERE WITH YOU MONKEYS!!

O/T

d in Texas - who is John M.?  He doesn't even mention her death on his facebook. ?
http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=589360530&v=wall&ref=sgm (http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=589360530&v=wall&ref=sgm)

Thanks Brandi - my guess is that Kaine and Desiree are getting offers and suggestions what to do from people similar to KidFinders.

I agree, I haven't read every single post, but I haven't seen any true "bashing" of Kaine.  I've seen posters question things he's said and done, myself included.  I don't see the need to constantly remind us that he is a victim if a poster so much as questions things.  Come On.  Put your big girl panties on and if you need some I'll loan you a pair.

I want to know why he wasn't more involved ESPECIALLY if he doubted his wife's abilities.  He's the one who said she had been acting strangely, on medication, and yet he wasn't acting too concerned about all the time he left Kyron if her care.  Just my 2cents, and I'm stickin' to it.

Tracygirl,
I was agreeing with you, and the big girl panties weren't for you.  Just clarifying that! ;)

Oh, I am so very sorry for this tragic loss. I just went to the link you provided to see all the coverage available and it is so very disturbing and so very sad for all of her loved ones. I happened to read the comments also and are they leaning toward it being the soon to be ex and possible murder for hire as is suggested by some? Whomever it is I hope for swift and firm justice!!!
I do want to ask, If I may, why is it that you fear this will never be solved??

Are you kidding?  NOPE, don't let another poster disagreeing with you make your opinions or questions or concerns invalid.  There are enough branches for everyone, we're all here for Kyron.  Come sit by me if you want to. ;)

OK, let's everyone take a deep breath and remember we are here for Kyron. 

why are the selling bracelets and tee shirts?  They aren't searching, wonder what the money is for?

Not real sure I assumed my sister or one of Phyliss's sister started that, I really haven't researched it, but will get an answer for you as I would like to know as well.  I went ahead and added it to my blog and told my sister I was letting the folks here know about it, and you were a great bunch and very reputable.  Will have that answer for you, so smart you are I would of never thought to look beyond that, guess when you are emotionally invested you think differently?

Isn't it possible that they can sell these at cost to keep Kyron's face out there? Thus, not make any money?

I don't think LE wants them searching.

Just saying, this is not necessarily a bad thing they are doing at all.

I wonder why Desiree didn't move to be closer to the "BOYS" after she got treatment?  What was more important?  I bet the guilt is going to eat her alive if Kyron isn't found alive. 

Have they exhausted the searches? Is it true that no one would give Harry Oakes a piece of Kyron's things for scent purposes?

Klass I want to say and not sure trying to make my mind remember this was started via somehow Nancy Grace sight my daughter was trying to get some kind of coverage on this.
I can go more into detail tomorrow and will pm you what I can pubilicly say do not want to go OT her this is about Kyron.

Yes D in Texas, if you are emotionally involved you do think differently. I have always loved a mystery, but when it was my father's death, I could not think clearly at all. You are going to need a lot of time.

LE is trying to find a way to pay for more searches too. 

Well the John M. I am referring to has the same last name and they don't even mention the incident on their FB, not even kindof.  I found that odd unless they don't know? 

Just brings back creepy KidFinder memories, and the anthony's are still riding on the back of Caylee.  I was asking a serious question, not being an azz.  I think it would be nice if someone could get shirts donated, and they could be distributed.  They're saying they think he's still alive, yet I don't see them doing anything to find him.  JMO

if Harry didn't ask them for money, they were foolish and selfish IMO not to give him something.  I'd want to know, myself, that I'd done everything I could.  That's just one of the hinky things Kaine has done to set my meter off.

Was Michelle Bart involved with KidFinders? UGH!

The two biggest things that are driving me crazy are, why they ALL waited over a week to talk to the media and of course, why TH has not said boo in her defense.

I agree, I would have liked to hear from her.  I don't particularly like either of them (stone me) with rumors of affairs, and Kaine sleeping over with a girlfriend, I just think he has to take some responsibility.  He is the one who has gone on the record saying TH suffered from PPD (words I think will haunt him forever).  If he said she was acting erratically (or "More So" after the baby was born, why did he feel like she was no longer a good wife, but still okay to play mom?

If the affair turns out to be true, I think Kaine will have to share the burden of whatever happened to his boy.  I'm still not 100% convinced it was TH, but I'm not ruling her out by any means.  I just think parents should really put their children ahead of themselves when it comes to this stuff.  I can just imagine an already unstable woman (per Kaine) finding out her husband was having an affair, and if he was sleeping over... while she had the kids?  while she was stuck at home?  He gave her a loaded gun, she may have cocked it and pulled it.  JMO

^metaphorically, of course. 

I too am still on the fence. More than likely TH had some involvement, but I just like to have all aspects of the situation. There are many hinky things that I am having a hard time getting past. I guess that is why I cannot conclude with complete certainty (in my mind) that TH is guilty.

Until I talk with my sister some more I really can't say only what is felt, don't mean to be cryptic will be able to divulge more tomorrow  and thank you, promised my sister and her husband Phyliss's brother I would get this out to trusted people.

Well who are the big girl panties for?  I did mention Kaine bashing a ways back in the previous thread but I sure wasn't trying to cause anyone any grief.

d in texas... I am in Texas too.  How heartbreaking for your sister and I know you must be beside yourself trying to comfort her.  I went to the link and read the comments as well.  Does your sister think it was the x husband as most of the posters did there?

Oh I can answer that he would be on the husband side of the family, was the soon to be ex-husband.  Will have so much more to say tomorrow, I don't want to say anything not fact.  Lots of emotion right now and want it to be fact, which I believe it is, and it is very bad.

Is it just me or others starting to see parallels to Caylee Anthony, while different cases, somewhere the Caylee tragedy comes creeping back in my mind?
Screwed that one up didn't I....

O/T how does a case get picked to be on Scared Monkey's?  Like Phyliss?  Just being out there would be helpful and this case is going to take some interesting turns in the coming days.  I put it on my blog but honestly do not know how much I will be able to write about, it will be more links and updates, too hard to talk about.

d in Texas- anyone can start a thread or ask for a thread to be started.  There are so many missing and so many crimes committed, the cases are often chosen when someone is interested in it.  We just wouldn't have room for all the missing/crimes here, unfortunately and the threads need to be updated.  Anyone can help update and add information, and must provide the link back to source unless it's opinion/discussion.  I've started a thread for Phyliss in the "Unsolved Crime" area of the forum: http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8269.msg1181527#msg1181527
I started the thread with the link you provided initially.  I hope and pray the person/person's responsible for Phyliss's murder will be caught and prosecuted to the full extent of the law. 

I wonder the very same, it is a long distance to be able to play an active, daily role in especially a smaller child's life. And I too agree with your thoughts of her feeling guilt. IMO I believe she already feels a very great deal of guilt and is why you see her demeanor, expressions, complete body language drastically change when reporters ask a question that is even laced with the slightest hint of questioning how often, how long, etc.. related to her time spent with Kyron. IMO she gets VERY defensive, almost angry at how dare you even ask or suggest anything even the slightest of that nature. Gives them a rather long look of disgust after giving a pretty sharp tongued answer to the poor reporter thats asked the question.. And I think we've all seen that none of the reporters has ever asked a disrespectful or ever questioned her lack of playing and "active, daily role".. I think she is very much guilt riddled with not having had things different. Tho, for all I know possibly Kaine gained some sort of permanent custody after Desiree's long illness and treatment out of the country. But to my knowledge there is no such court orders or documents even suggesting that Kaine had done such, rather just that things were left as they were and never changed the arrangement... This could be for a variety of reasons that we are not privy to such as maybe her health issues somehow still continue(tho I know she does hold a full time job)??? I dont know, any thoughts???

Just want to add that I in no way am bashing Desiree for her choices made as far as custody of Kyron, but am rather saying that I think she is feeling guilt possibly for not having a more active, daily role in his life... And believe me I know hindsight is 20/20, that there are always things that we wish we coulda, shoulda, woulda done different.

southrngrl, I am sure Desiree's guilt is overwhelming at this point.  I wonder if Kaine would not let her have Kyron back and I have also wondered if she felt Kaine was better able to take care of Kyron "financially".  Without any facts as to why she never got Kyron back, it is hard to say but her guilt has to be tremendous.

Where is Kyron??  Please God bring him home.

Can someone explain to me just what "Harry Oakes" is all about and why there was such refusal and "hush hushness" met with the search efforts made by this man? I know when I was on WS there was a BIG HUB BUB made about that no one could speak a word even referring to this man's name or any searches that woulda, shoulda, coulda been. The mods were striking folks out left and right trying to keep all or any hints of this name whatsoever... So what gives? who and what is all the controversy surrounding this man about and why? Seemingly nothing but gestures of wanting to help in finding Kyron?? So what is the deal? TIA to anyone that doesn't mind taking the time to enlighten me on the "Harry Oakes" subject...

I have wondered that myself do not know if it was fact or assumption that someone posted LE had asked them to not share anything with anyone but them, but we have been through enough cases to know that usually isn't the case if the searchers are reputable people, if it were me sorry to hell with LE if I even thought someone might be able to help.
One of those paralels mentioned before to the Anthony case.

I would love the answer to this question myself. I remember with the Lindsey Baum case, the mother did not want him there for some reason. I think it was the aunt maybe that asked him to come? I don't know if LE has a problem with him? I really do not know, but would love the answer myself.

What I remember is they would not give him anything with Kyron's scent on it for the search dogs because LE advised him not to.  It was said it was because it was a private search.  That is what was posted in one of the early threads.  I know... I don't understand why anyone with a missing child would turn down any kind of help... but that's just me....

This came up on Nancy Grace. This guy has no affiliation with LE, and while he may be perfectly sincere in wanting to help, it was brought up that the parents have probably already given LE whatever they needed, including clothing. If I was the parent, I'd rather go with LE's search dogs than anyone else's. According to some posters for the article on the following link, he claimed to be involved with LE but wasn't, and another said police refused his help which is why he didn't have anything of Kyron's. He may be perfectly legit, but then again he could be another Milstead. No, no, I take that back. That just reeks even though I wrote it. Most likely he really wanted to help. I think.
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/07/kyron_hormans_family_ask_for_s/4053/comments-4.html
I think the NG show was from 7/1.

Sorry, I can't be of any more help regarding Harry than what others have said.  I just think I would have to know that it was/wasn't my child.  If there is something nefarious about him, I haven't heard it, other than he is supposedly "Not non-profit".  That's why I said if he offered his services for Free, I'd do it.  Maybe he requires something if he is successful, such as some form of payment?

anyone who needs them, I have plenty to go around.  Just wanting everyone to chill out and remember why we are here, and that everyone has an opinion and everyone has the right to be wrong.  Even those who think they're right and there are no other alternatives.

Nite all.

I didn't realize he was not non profit.  That WOULD make a difference.

I definitely think "chilling out" would be a good thing here........ I really don't recall anyone thinking they were right and no other alternatives.  Good night

wanted to add, Bananas, I wasn't offended and wasn't aiming my post to any single poster.  I'm just tired of the same ole same ole.  Live and let live, think and let think, post and let post.

and now I'm going to drop it as I'm adding to the very thing I don't like.  I just didn't want you to be upset.  Prayers for Kyron, please God bring him home safely and soon.

It's not that I don't "feel" Kaine is guilty....besides.. guilty of what? Of being quiet, and private? BTW...I think Kyron is much like his Dad. It's that LE obviously has evidence against Terri, and none against Kaine or Desiree. It's just common sense, and listening to what those who are actually involved in the case have to say. As much as they want to be, internet posters are not privy to what the cops are, or even the family.
Kaine was not there when Kyron went missing....but Terri was. He has been investigated by LE, polygraphed, and cleared. They KNOW he is not involved in the disappearance of his son. LE is not focused on Terri just for fun and giggles, or because Kaine is running the show. I don't think wanting to find Kyron includes being cruel to his father.
The theory that Terri somehow removed Kyron to save him....give me a break. If that were true, all she had to do was call DY to come get him, or call the police, or take Kyron to the ER. There are many avenues to get help, but did she ever try any of them? I also think DY and her hubby would've picked up on that and done something about it.
I think some posters are so invested in their own theories and need to be right that they are doing harm to a father who is grieving the probable loss of his son. It's a shame that no one is thinking about his mental state right now. All that is saved for Terri.
SM is supposed to be a place that supports the families of the missing, but in this case posters have done just the opposite over and over again. I can't believe I'm even having to defend my position of support for the victims. Unbelievable.

Raises hand... in my 50s too.. with bangs.  :P 

I have to agree that there is no reason to place blame on Kaine. 

If I found myself in his position, would I be able to say, I had always been the perfect parent, the perfect mate?  If mistakes he made in his marriage, make him responsible for the taking away of his son, then it would seem just about anyone who had a child go missing would be responsible.  None of us is perfect.

I think I am confusing myself and it is time to go to bed... this case is making me head ache.

God Bless Kyron....

shhhhh Wyks.... maybe we shouldn't be telling on ourselves.... LOL

Hmmmmm...

Well you have made a good point.  So then I was thinking hey wait a minute.. Remember the May 9th - Mother's Day - 911 call.... But ya just had to go there and mention there was an area check at the end of March.  lolol.. So now it's:

HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM................. 

< insert shocked monkey >

Soooooooo.. what do you think it means?  How can we find out more? 

Have they exhausted the searches? Is it true that no one would give Harry Oakes a piece of Kyron's things for scent purposes?
[/quote] if Harry didn't ask them for money, they were foolish and selfish IMO not to give him something.  I'd want to know, myself, that I'd done everything I could.  That's just one of the hinky things Kaine has done to set my meter off.
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The two biggest things that are driving me crazy are, why they ALL waited over a week to talk to the media and of course, why TH has not said boo in her defense.
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You do not know that Kaine made that decision.
Mr. Oakes was not asked by anyone in the family to come look for Kyron, so why would they give him anything? He got involved because an outsider asked him, apparently. We do not know what evidence LE has, and people inserting themselves into the case could actually mess things up. That includes Harry Oaks. I'm sure TY knows if the investigation is being run correctly. It does no good to step on anyone's toes until a family is sure LE has run out of steam.This is why Texas Equsearch (sp?) doesn't get involved until the family asks them to come do a search.
Multnomah County is financially strapped, so fund raisers for the search may be necessary. It may take a long time to find that sweet little guy.
I think the family was quiet because LE was trying to keep tabs on Terri in hopes that she'd lead them to Kyron. THIS IS NOT A FACT, so don't use it as such. LE knew from probably that first day that Terri was a liar, and that she was involved...again just my opinion and NOT A FACT.

I am reading at oregonlive.com, the remarks on certain articles, the one I am reading right now is really disturbing and confusing, I have read some mention here about the glasses (Kyron's) but nothing other than that but these posters are saying that the photo SM posted on Facebook was photoshopped, and that glasses were either mailed in or found in the LE search.  Which led to the false reports the body of Kyron had been found, I am going to post the link I am referring to, however do not want to copy and paste the comments because I don't know if this just the MANY rumors being stated as fact in this case.

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/07/kyron_hormans_mother_recalls_d/4053/comments-16.html (http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/07/kyron_hormans_mother_recalls_d/4053/comments-16.html)

Awwww D in Texas..... :*(  My heart so goes out to you and your family. 

< monkey hugs > 

You'll be in my thoughts and prayers. 

Nawww it's all good, Sebastian.  Thanks tho!  :)

O>T

thank you for that, i just hope that they can all find peace and get passed this, but how can you when you dont know how or why someone you love and is innocent has been taken.  Afraid this will be another case of divorce not being an option....

My panties are fine, thanks.

Perhaps *cough* in your opinion they are. 

Morning Monkeys and guests,

This is happened in the Portland area, kind of O/T but interesting none the less.

'Children’s book author K.P. Bath sentenced to six years in prison for child porn'

 http://www.examiner.com/x-1168-Crime-Examiner~y2010m7d12-Childrens-book-author-KP-Bath-sentenced-to-six-years-in-prison-for-child-porn?cid=examiner-email (http://www.examiner.com/x-1168-Crime-Examiner~y2010m7d12-Childrens-book-author-KP-Bath-sentenced-to-six-years-in-prison-for-child-porn?cid=examiner-email)

Thanks to all for the updates and links, maybe this week will be the week Kyron is found!

Yes interesting.  I found a link about the author and found it interesting that he has also has a cat named Sam Underfoot. 

http://www.goodreads.com/author/show/206522.K_P_Bath

Harry Oakes is doing the search for Kyron free, but there are two women who are taking donations for him.  So, it isn't costing Kyron's family anything.  You would think they would give him an article of clothing or something with Kyron's scent on it, but they haven't!  I would exhaust all avenues, if he was my child. 

Without an item with Kyron's scent on it, Harry can only search for a body.  If he had the scent, his dogs could search for a live Kyron.  All I can figure is the family must truly believe Kyron is dead, or they would have given Harry something. 

The reason LE isn't cooperating is because Harry found a missing child's body in an area that LE had already searched in Multinomah County.  His dogs found the child in less than a minute.  I'm sure that was embarrassing for LE.  Harry doesn't forget it either.  So, there are too many egos, on both sides, getting in the way of searching for Kyron.

You may think this sort of thing doesn't go on in LE, egos hampering an investigation, but it does!  Frequently!

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/  07/12/10
Search for Kyron Horman Enters Week 5
Family and community hold on to hope that the missing 7-year-old is alive.

d in texas very sorry about your tragic loss.

Everything I’ve said is DOCUMENTED and PUBLIC RECORD.

http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendId=127939120&blogId=536675806


Let’s find Kyron and bring him home.

Thank you
Respectfully
Mr. Harry Oakes
SAR Coordinator


International K9 Search and Rescue Services.

From the Album - Kiara's First Birthday (November 2009):

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=861618&id=1264414625&fbid=1284531314426#!/photo.php?pid=866720&id=1264414625&fbid=1286441922190 (http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=861618&id=1264414625&fbid=1284531314426#!/photo.php?pid=866720&id=1264414625&fbid=1286441922190)

She couldn't wait for Kyron to come back before taking the photo of HIS glass?

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/KyronsClassKiaraNov09.jpg)

This was actually taken the day of Kiara's first birthday party at the Horman home.  This would have been right around the time Terri was attempting to hire someone to kill Kaine:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/KiaraFirstBDKyron.jpg)

Was just wondering why everything that Kaine says about Terri is taken as gospel. Do not know Kaine, Do not know Terri. Do not know who is responsible for Kyron missing. Just can't understand why everything he says is so.
Running with rumors? Kaine said he "thought she was suffering from PPD or something" then it is she was totally nuts by the time it hit the blogs. Unless I missed a presser that he says she def had PPD, the one I saw says "I think".
I am sitting on the fence with a few of you. I just can't see Terri being smart enough to completely stump law enforcement.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8203.new#new

Verified by LE, Terri attempted to hire someone to kill Kaine.  That in itself puts suspicion on Terri IMO.  The STING didn't work, Terri caught on.

So Kyron went to the bathroom without telling anyone in that picture.
Could he have left the school that day without telling anyone, maybe dropped his glasses and got lost.

I don't know, only thing I know is that I will wait for LE to verify what is going on. And I was off the fence but now back sitting on it. IMO something seems off and have no idea what it is.

thanks klass for the pics, still strange to me that there has been no
mention of the baby at school 6.4.10, folks at school have met the
baby, you would think they wouldve mentioned seeing her

Interesting that he went off by himself to the bathroom without telling anyone. Maybe he was afraid to ask the teacher? Maybe he did that all the time? If he is shy I can see why he might not ask.

Could Kitty have been asleep in the car? Not a good idea to do that of course, but maybe she didn't want to wake her because she wasn't going to be in the school for long. And also maybe there is a sitter on the way to school and Terri could have dropped her there?

It is verified that the landscaper says she tried to hire him. If LE had verified her attempt to hire she would be in jail. I believe there is a lot of reasons to suspect Terri, I just don't believe that I have enough evidence to say that she did.

Thanks anyway, but I do wear my "Big girl panties" at all times. 

Do you see the same pattern I do with her Facebook pictures of Kyron?  She had no patience for him.  Funny, the astrological charts say the same thing about her.

I believe it has also been verified by a number of sources that Terri was the last person to have been seen with Kyron, as well as the information that LE advised Kaine to take the baby and get away from Terri.  A jusge saw enough danger to issue a restraining order and Terri did not respond to the custody issue "within" the alotted five days.  It's my opinion only that a devoted mother would not give up custody of her child without lifting a finger to stop it.

I prefer to get my information from trustworthy sources rather than people on internet blogs trying to be important and issuing information which might or might not be accurate. I like to be fair. But then, that might be just me.

Does anyone remember the Facebook posting Terri made about a seven year old boy who was doing something to Kiara that pissed her off?  Could that boy have possibly been Kyron?

http://www.koinlocal6.com/content/news/topstories/story/Terri-Horman-called-911-during-police-sting/Dz4uMChK60KCWjy3W5FG4Q.cspx

Kyron's parents not scheduled to speak this week, noting "heavy law enforcement obligations"

Last Update: 6:47 am

Kyron Horman's parents issued a new statement to the media Sunday afternoon:

Our focus continues to be fully on the investigation and finding Kyron. All indications are that law enforcement obligations will be heavy in the coming week. As a result, we are sorry that we cannot schedule any media meetings. We really apologize for the change but, as always, our priority is keeping our energy and available time focused on the search and both of those things will be in short supply this week. We will keep you updated immediately on any changes. If any breaking events do come up we will schedule a Q&A or interview session accordingly.  Thanks for your understanding.  We are currently planning on holding sessions the following week (July 19th and July 22nd) as events progress. Thank you for everything you have done, Kaine & Desiree


Also Sunday, a man who asked not to be shown on camera, expressed his frustration about the Kyron Horman tipline.

“Chas” said he has called the tip line twice, but hadn’t heard back. He was concerned other people’s tips, like his, were not checked on.

Chas said he saw Terri Horman the day Kyron mysteriously vanished.

“I was on my way to work, driving down Highway 30,” said “Chas.”

It was Friday, June 4th, sometime between 9:15 and 9:45 in the morning. “Chas” was heading south on Highway 30, on his way to work when a white truck pulled out onto the road.

"It came out of one of these side streets, I am not exactly positive which one, but I am pretty much sure that it was north of Logie Trail road.”

Logie Trail Road is right across from Sauvie Island. One of the areas investigators have searched several times.

"I recognize that truck because I have a friend that has a similar truck and I thought it was him.”

But when “Chas” pulled up next to this truck, he saw that it wasn't his friend, it was a red-haired woman, he didn't recognize.

He later realized that “red-haired” woman was Terri Horman.

“I didn't really think anything of it, obviously at that time there was no reason to.”

“Chas” said he's been following Kyron's disappearance since day 1, and when police released the flier asking the public to come forward with any information if they had seen Terri Horman or the white truck the day Kyron disappeared. That's when “Chas” remembered back to June 4th and called the tip line.

“The next day, I called again, and gave a little bit more detailed information because in the back of my mind I was thinking maybe I didn't give enough information."

Now 10 days later, “Chas” was left feeling a little frustrated.

"How many other people made tips and it's just not getting paid attention to. I don't feel like my tip is the breaker of the case, or anything like that, but it might be one piece of the puzzle that should maybe help."

As far as the tipline, Lt. Mary Lindstrand said tips have dropped off a bit. They averaged around 5 to 10 an hour.

And she also said if people who have called the tip line but haven’t heard back, that doesn’t mean they haven’t followed up on their tips.

Often times Lindstrand said the tips are “duplicates.”

Chas should be frustrated, but I will bet this happens in all cases, where it appears that your tip you called in doesn't seem important.

In the second photo something is off with Terri.  Her eyes aren't truly smiling..

http://www.koinlocal6.com/content/mediacenter/default.aspx

I agree with your statements. I am not saying that I don't think it is very possible that Terri is responsible for what has happened to Kyron. Most of us would ask that our spouse be removed from the home or leave the home ourselves if LE told us that someone told them that a murder for hire plot has been exposed. I am not arguing that point. My point was that whatever Kaine says seems to be believed. Also it was on this very site that I read that Kaine had said that Terri had suffered from PPD. When I went to the video it says "I think Terri suffered from".
I get all of my information from this site and then go to the links. I am also a very fair person, that is why I say Terri's trial should be held in the courts, with people that have all of the information.

I don't recall that.  Please share ..that is interesting.

It was on her Facebook.  Something happened at the gym with Kiara and it was close to the time Kyron disappeared.  She mentioned she said or did something to the kid.  Anyone have links to her Facebook that was screen captured? 

http://ruthiessky.blogspot.com/2010/06/terri-moulton-hormans-facebook-wall.html

OS

Thanks!  I didn't see it there, but I remember it being discussed on Websleuths and Blink's site.

I agree Lenie!   

I had also copied all that here:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8263.0

Old news to most of us but I thought this was a good photo:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/KyronKaine.jpg)

http://www.kptv.com/news/24222044/detail.html#

W. Va. Police Follow Up On Kyron Horman Tip

POSTED: 6:31 am PDT July 12, 2010
UPDATED: 8:39 am PDT July 12, 2010

PORTLAND, Ore. -- A sighting of a boy who looked like missing 7-year-old Kyron Horman in West Virginia turned out to be a false alarm.

(snipped)

Cops Turn Up The Heat On Missing Boy's Stepmom

Today Show
July 12, 2010

Police want to speak to a second person?

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/261848...78452#38201284

*NOte* I am way back a few pages so if this ends up being out of context sorry.

What you are saying about Terri, others are feeling about Kaine. Everyone has a right to their opinions and a right to express them without feeling as though they are being called stupid or whatever. I think both sides are basing their opinions on assumptions, rumors and opinions. You don't know Kaine anymore then anyone knows Terri. It is all assumptions.
That is my 2 cents.

Link doesn't work and I can't find anything on the Today website...wierd.  I'll keep looking.

Here's the today video of the above:

msnbc is not famous for holding links very long........very poor in reporting.

Do we know the reason that Terri alledgedly tried to hire someone? could it be she felt trapped in an abusive marriage? Was it because she is a psychopathic killer? Was it because she wanted the house? We don't know. We don't really even know if it is true. I am sure LE did investigate this claim. We don't know if they went as far as a LDT and if they did, what the results were. We know there was a sting and it failed. We don't know if it was because Terri caught on or if it was because Terri didn't know what the hell the guy was talking about and was in fear. We also do not know who this man is and what role if any he played in Terri's life.
I really do think she is involved in this some how, but how? I don't think we have enough information to come to a solid conclusion.

KLAAS - Thank you for the link to that pic from Kiara's 1st birthday...I was able to get the whole album from it. Here it is for your viewing pleasure. :)

This is from Terri's Facebook a/c Kiara's 1st Birthday
(remember you need to be logged into Facebook when attempting to access the link)
http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=2044075&id=1264414625&page=1
Pages 1 - 4 as follows:

(http://i563.photobucket.com/albums/ss80/_Titch_/Kyron%20Horman/TMH-FBKiaras1stBirthdaypg1.jpg)

(http://i563.photobucket.com/albums/ss80/_Titch_/Kyron%20Horman/TMH-FBKiaras1stBirthdaypg2.jpg)

(http://i563.photobucket.com/albums/ss80/_Titch_/Kyron%20Horman/TMH-FBKiaras1stBirthdaypg3.jpg)

(http://i563.photobucket.com/albums/ss80/_Titch_/Kyron%20Horman/TMH-FBKiaras1stBirthdaypg4.jpg)

I didn't know anything had been verified by law enforcement I thought they only had the word of the LS (as far as we the public now, they could have lots more but haven't said so), reason for the sting, will have to go find the article where LE states that during the sting Terri actually showed to be more credible than the LS with her actions. 
Will go find that article be back.

Harry Oakes lost one of his support dogs last night, died in her sleep.  :*( 

RIP Maggie May .. You are loved. 

http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendId=127939120&blogId=536986319#ixzz0tRh8ZYdm (http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendId=127939120&blogId=536986319#ixzz0tRh8ZYdm)

There is one person you are leaving out of the equation, Terri. We haven't heard her side.

I would LOVE to hear Terri's side/version of events.  I really wish she would release a statement through her attorney. 

So would I!

Also, Klaas, do you happen to have the link to that picture you posted of Terri with the 3 kids? I swear I saw the same pic, same pose, with Kaine in it right above Kyron...

And something else, did you happen to look at what I posted last night in relation to the 911 calls?

Me too! I am not sure why they are not issuing statements or saying anything. What could the point be? Maybe they don't want this to be a trial in the court of public opinion? I would hope they are speaking to LE, that is what they should be doing.

I am also glad to see Kaine and Desiree easing off a bit. They need to play the psychological game with Terri if they want to get to the end goal of finding Kyron.

I so agree the longer she waits to speak the more the public is left wondering why she wouldn't say wait a minute I have done nothing and the truth will come out, or something like that.  Doesn't have to be in detail or in length, just something. 
Believe a previous poster said the attorney she has hired is high profile and likes to speak with the media.
I am really getting worried about this poor so cute little boy, it is now 5 weeks, seems like this just happened yesterday.
God speed Kyron, so many are pulling for your safe return to your family.

I do think they are working with LE to help recover Kyron.


OT
D in Texas, my prayers to you and your family during this time of grief.

http://www.kgw.com/news/Desiree-Young-on-Terri-Moulton-I-know-shes-lying-98075814.html

 Colin Miner and Michael Rollins, KGW.com staff

kgw.com

Posted on July 8, 2010 at 5:53 PM

Updated today at 10:49 AM


PORTLAND -- Investigators believe someone other than Terri Moulton Horman may know what happened to Kyron Horman, sources told KGW on Saturday. snip...

ME: (I am leary about news reports of a second person, this case is so weird.)

Yeah it was around Xmas, I'll find it.  There were two pics very similar.  One she used for her facebook photo without Kaine. 

Thank you so very much for that.

d in Texas, I am so very sorry for the tragedy in your family.  I am praying for justice and peace for your sil.  :*(

Ribbons of Hope for Kyron

Your ribbon will be tied on garland to be put onto the "Wall of Hope" creating a Rainbow of Colorful Streamers full of your messages to Kyron.

Instructions re the ribbon and address to send it to is here:

http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=140953652587565&id=134611593227741 (http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=140953652587565&id=134611593227741)

How sad  RIP Maggie May

I can't find the separate photo right now but it's this one (from crankycrankersonn's photobucket):
http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Kyron%20Horman%20%20-OR-/

(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Kyron%20Horman%20%20-OR-/downsized_0627002105.jpg)

Which is similar to her Facebook photo:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/k8facebook.jpg)

Wow!  Don't read that if you are a crybaby!  I was trying to read it out loud to my husband, but I was sobbing so much, he couldn't understand me!  Sweet little Maggie May!

Thank you for this clip. I could not tell what Matt was trying to say in his video. I did not know if he was says that the second person was an accomplice to TH or someone completely unrelated to TH.

I cannot help but think that this high profile attorney that TH has hired is pro-bono as I doubt she has the money to pay him. If that is the case, you would think that he would want his mug all over the media for advertising purposes. It just floors me that he has remained silent.

I might have a different view with Terri's lawyer, I like the fact he isn't out there blabbing like some of the lawyers we have become accustomed to while following cases. I would rather have a lawyer doing his job rather then talking to the media.

Hi Sebastian,

Matt he did not name sources, he didn't say anything new, rehashed past events or rumors.

FWIW, I read somewhere last night (either here or BOC) that LE had to have a supoena to run the sting on Terri with the LS and the undercover.  Sorry, don't have the link.

I do not believe a judge would sign off on a supoena based on the heresay evidence of the LS alone.  There is, imo, some amount of evidence - whatever that may be.

JMO and only MO.

This Picture?
(http://www.kptv.com/2010/0707/24171369_240X180.jpg)
or
(http://media.katu.com/images/071010_horman_family_people_cover.jpg)

try this again sometimes have heck with my insteting of pictures...

(http://media.katu.com/images/071010_horman_family_people_cover.jpg)

I think this is the one you are looking for though, getting the hang of this..lol

(http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/hs348.snc4/41522_1264414625_4984_n.jpg)

Found this video, might have been posted before I started following but it does mention a $25,000.00 reward.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSoVTcDfoqA&feature=related

The report is dated June 16th day after flier was released showing TH and the white truck.

Also mentions the 2nd poly request and an examiner discusses possible reasons for 2nd poly.

OS

Awww...Look at how cute - Kyron's a lil tot - This pic is from Halloween 2003...

(http://i563.photobucket.com/albums/ss80/_Titch_/Kyron%20Horman/KaineKyronTerri-Halloween2003.jpg)

http://www.kgw.com/news/Desiree-Young-on-Terri-Moulton-I-know-shes-lying-98075814.html

Terri Horman agrees to leave house

by Colin Miner and Michael Rollins, KGW.com staff

kgw.com

Posted on July 8, 2010 at 5:53 PM

Updated today at 12:02 PM
 

PORTLAND --  Kyron's stepmother Terri Moulton Horman will not challenge a request to move out of the former family home, a letter from her lawyer read Monday.

The boy's father Kaine Horman had added a clause to a restraining order that she leave the home last week. A July 22 scheduled hearing in the case was cancelled, according to the court.

On Saturday, sources told KGW that investigators believe someone other than Terri Moulton Horman may know what happened to the 7-year-old who disappeared from Skyline Elementary on June 4.

It was unclear if or when Terri planned to move out.

On Sunday, the parents of missing Portland boy Kyron Horman put off all media contact for the week in anticipation of what they called "heavy" obligations by investigators on the case.

(snipped)

This is from Terri's Facebook a/c We Love Halloween
(remember you need to be logged into Facebook when attempting to access the link)
http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=2018740&id=1264414625
** Note that the location cation informs Christopher Drive & Sheltered Nook **
Pages 1 - 2 as follows:

(http://i563.photobucket.com/albums/ss80/_Titch_/Kyron%20Horman/TMH-FBWeLoveHalloweenpg1.jpg)

(http://i563.photobucket.com/albums/ss80/_Titch_/Kyron%20Horman/TMH-FBWeLoveHalloweenpg2.jpg)

awww... RIP Maggie May, I am glad you were rescued and lived a beautiful life.

RIP Maggie May. Harry Oakes, please keep up the good work. Sending lots of prayers your way...

I agree Rosie.  Am thinking the first thing many of us might do if he were to start blabbing, is to shout..  LIAR!!!  :P  Much rather have him focusing on the case rather than the media/internet.  IMO 

D in texas, sorry for  you and your families loss. I joined the facebook link. I wish warmth love and compassion for you during this trying time. I hope they catch this person! Stay safe, and healthy.

Terri doesn't even look like the same person?

And that is exactly it, at least I right away call the lawyer a liar. And I'm glad Terri is leaving the house with no problem, and to me it means she is listening to her lawyer.

I see a pattern in her pictures of centering on Kiara, and not on Kyron. (Could be just because she is the baby.) But I would not go so far as to say she had no patience for him as a pattern from the many pictures I have seen. I do think it's odd or not very nice of her to have taken the class picture before Kyron got back from the bathroom. Just shows again, that her focus is on Kiara. JMO.

Harry will be out on the water tomorrow, searching with a donated boat etc. 

 

Wyks, remember that stuff I posted last night? Well lookie here:

http://portland.everyblock.com/city-911-calls/locations/zipcodes/97231/by-date/2010-01-01,2010-07-11/

Area Check - Jul 09, 2010 - NW ST HELENS RD/ST JOHNS BR - Friday at 2:05 pm 801M
Threats     - Jun 26, 2010 - 15700-15800 NW SHELTERED NOOK RD - Saturday at 5:46 pm 5P12
Area Check - Jun 21, 2010 - 16300-16400 NW SHELTERED NOOK RD - Monday at 11:42 am 5P11
Area Check - Jun 02, 2010 - 8000-8100 NW KAISER RD - Wednesday at 6:53 am 5P13
Area Check - May 29, 2010 - NW BRIDGE AV/NW GERMANTOWN RD - Saturday at 5:54 am 529N
Area Check - May 13, 2010 - NW ST HELENS RD/ST JOHNS BR - Thursday at 1:02 am 827N
Area Check - Mar 29, 2010 - 16200-16300 NW SHELTERED NOOK RD - Monday at 10:23 pm 5P12

Wyks, what is 5P12 & 5P11? Is that the car or the officer? I wonder how ironic it is that the threat call which we all now know was about the landscaper (wearing a tap I might add) has 5P12 arriving on scene - the same 5P12 from the Area Check of Mar 29th? Here's what I wanna know...I'd like to know if they truly had a subpoena due to facts bc if they didn't, according to this info which is posted online under the 911 call data log, then it could appear as though somebody was attempting to set something up...just sayin'. Keep in mind Tanner was living in the 16200-16300 block in March (with his Gramma). 15700-15800 block is the Horman home. This is like a 5 minute walk between their houses respectively. Hmmm...something to think about.

I still think Terri's guilty - just don't know if it's direct or indirect by association...

Am glad about that too Rosie.  And yes, listening to her lawyer is a good thing.  IMO.  I want to hear from her just as badly as everyone else does.  I have my stones ready to nail her @ss to the wall.  But I wanna hear her side first. 

Thank-you.  Brandi I'm with you, Kitty is a baby and needs more care, I see no patience with Kyron as a pattern on her FB. And realistically if she had no patience from time to time with a seven year old child, myself, I would lose my patience with my kids at times, and I'm sure we all have. I'm also sure she was very tired, and IF she was suffering from postpartum depression that obviously doesn't help with patience.

My seven yr old son has a bladder the size of a pea.  When he has to go, he has to go.  I'm really surprised the teacher didn't insist on waiting for Kyron, afterall, it is his sister.  I'm wondering how the teachers described TH to LE.

Perhaps she didn't realize Kyron was missing until she took the picture......

Kiara is a pretty little thing.

I wonder if her lawyer advised her not to fight the eviction. She seems to have given up. I don't understand why she is not fighting for the right to see her children. I would be screaming at my lawyer, (well I hope that I would be somewhat reasonable), when it came down to me having my children. I would say screw the darn house, my kids are more important to me. I would be fighting the restraining order against me.  But hey... I would be innocent! I am not saying I know that Terri is guilty but her actions seem to be leaning that way.
In regards to the tip from Chas, I hope that is correct spelling, he gives a 30 minute window. I think it could be narrowed down to the time he left his house and the spot he was at when he saw the truck in relation to when he had to be to work.

http://www.kgw.com/news/Desiree-Young-on-Terri-Moulton-I-know-shes-lying-98075814.html

Terri Horman agrees to leave house

by Colin Miner, Michael Rollins and David Krough, KGW.com staff

kgw.com

Posted on July 8, 2010 at 5:53 PM

Updated today at 12:18 PM

PORTLAND --  Kyron's stepmother Terri Moulton Horman will not challenge a request to move out of the former family home, a letter from her lawyer read Monday.

The boy's father Kaine Horman had added a clause to a restraining order that she leave the home last week. A July 22 scheduled hearing in the case was cancelled, according to the court.

 

On Saturday, sources told KGW that investigators believe someone other than Terri Moulton Horman may know what happened to the 7-year-old who disappeared from Skyline Elementary on June 4.

It was unclear if or when Terri planned to move out.

On Sunday, the parents of missing Portland boy Kyron Horman put off all media contact for the week in anticipation of what they called "heavy" obligations by investigators on the case.


"Our focus continues to be fully on the investigation and finding Kyron," a statement from father Kaine Horman read. "All indications are that law enforcement obligations will be heavy in the coming week. As a result, we are sorry that we cannot schedule any media meetings. We really apologize for the change but, as always, our priority is keeping our energy and available time focused on the search and both of those things will be in short supply next week."


The sources declined to characterize anyone who has that information, including when and how the details of the disappearance may have been passed along. But Terri may not be alone in knowing, the sources said.

In court records released last week, Kyron's father, Kaine Horman, said that investigators told him that they have probable cause to believe that Kyron's stepmother Terri was involved in his disappearance.
 
Sources also told KGW Saturday that  investigators have been creating a detailed timeline of what Terri did the day her stepson disappeared.
 
While Terri Horman has said she was in certain locations, investigators have placed her elsewhere using bank card records and cell phone pings, according to sources.
 
Investigators know that she left Skyline Elementary School around 9 a.m. on the day her stepson disappeared and returned home about 1 p.m. But they are trying to fill gaps that opened up from what she told them.
 
Last week KGW reported that investigators have been using Terri Horman's cell phone and email records to see who she was in contact with just before and after the disappearance of Kyron.

The question whether more than one person was involved in Kyron's disappearance came up last week in interviews with Kaine Horman and Kyron's mother, Desiree.
 
Desiree told CNN that she believes that someone in addition to Terri Horman was involved in her son's disappearance
and that Terri did not act alone.

"I don't think so," Desiree said, "Honestly, she didn't take out a contract on her husband alone, so I think she
would need help.

Desiree was making reference to a murder-for-hire plot that came out in restraining order documents made public.
The documents said Terri had tried to convince a landscaper late in 2009 to kill Kaine.

On Thursday, Kaine and Desiree spoke openly and candidly both during a press conference and in one-on-one interviews with media outlets.

Both said they have come to the conclusion that Terri was capable of harming the seven-year-old.

"When I look in her eyes, I'm not confident that she couldn't do something," Desiree told Kate Snow of NBC's 'Dateline.'

Kaine said "I think anything is possible based on what's gone on in the past few weeks."

(snipped)

Yea if it was done on purpose it would not be very nice. Maybe she didn't realize he wasn't there until she downloaded the pic?
I have to say, Kiara is a very cute little girl who is very loved by her mommy. It had been along time since there was a little baby in the family and this was a little girl after 2 boys. Could be she just got caught up in the baby thing. Or I suppose it could be she didn't think much about Kyron. We really don't know.

Funny story, I have 4 albums full of pics of my first son, 2 of my second and 1 of my 3rd. He asked once why that was, if I didn't love him as much. I said oh gosh honey no, that is not it at all, you just didn't stop crying long enough for me to take a lot pics of you! Almost every pic of him being held as he cried. Poor thing had colic and cried about 13 hours everyday. Plus I was so busy wtih 3 kids under 4, I didn't have time to find the camera...

Sure is something to think about!!  Hopefully as more factual info comes out from LE, this might be more easily understood. 

Am thinking the 5P12 & 5P11 might be area and patrol car, but that's just a guess.  Seems they each have their own codes for stuff. 

I think Terri is guilty of ..... something.  Just do not know what or who that might also involve, if anyone.  Time will tell.  And I'm not a very patient person.  lol 

I'd love to read the lawyer's letter. Appears he has been working behind the scenes.

I wonder if she is doing this for the good of Kiara or because she feels she has no choice.

Refering to the class picture on Kiara's 1st Birthday, don't want to stack the thread to much...

I will admit I do find that very odd and maybe even rude to not wait for Kyron to return, seriously what would the point of the picture be to Kyron and Kiara in the futue?  It was "his" class with "his' baby sister on her first birthday.  When I take pictures and take a lot of family pictures I always have in the back of my mind the future and the kids or friends.
And with the few pictures Halloween, Birthday for Kiara, I see a couple of patterns forming on the part of Terri, one her facial appearance dramatically changes and seems to start around Kiara's first birthday. Second the focus seems to leave Kyron and shift to Kiara.  I am going to look for more pictures with the entire family will share what I find.

This is JMO and speculation, it is so hard being as we only have one side of the story, coupled with no information from LE, wonder what they (LE) know.
Such fear for Kyron....

KOIN/Local 6's article on the same.

Terri Moulton Horman agrees to move out

Terri Moulton Horman will not contest what was asked for in the divorce papers, namely that she move out of Kaine and Terri's Northwest Portland home.
 
Kaine, who has been living at an undisclosed location since June 26, had asked that Terri be forced to move out so that Kaine could move back in.

A letter filed by Moulton Horman's attorney with Judge Keith Meisenheimer states that there is no need for the scheduled hearing on July 22 because Terri won't contest what has been filed.

It isn't clear when she'll move out, or where she'll go. 
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I have to go run with my son, but wanted you all to know that I just posted the 2 latest albums in the pictures thread. Be back in 6 miles - gotta time him!

So far we now have the following albums:
APRIL 2010
JAMES, KYRON & QUINN
JUNE 2010
KIARA'S 1ST BIRTHDAY
WE LOVE HALLOWEEN

It is drastically apparent the complete difference in Terri's appearance from around November 2009 til now. No matter what the excuse, it's no reason to put a hit on the man you married & definitely not a reason to make his kid disappear. But something to think about: What about if at that time in 2009 she may have discovered her husband cheated on her, had been having an ongoing affair with somebody, so she in turn started her own affair? Maybe she said in jest bc she was angry for whatever reason that she wished her husband was dead? What about if that guy she was having an affair with decided to "get back at her" bc she broke it off & pushed him aside? What about if she's guilty of sarcastically stating she wants her husband dead but could be completely innocent in Kyron's disappearance?

Kyron is still missing. Yesterday I woke up with the intention of trying to sleuth another way, a different direction. I noticed I was getting tunnel vision. My brain doesn't allow me to think Terri isn't involved in Ky's disappearance yet, once I started looking through different avenues, it sort of appears as though something else could have taken place. Sort of. Just sayin'...

Since they're mine, I'd know.
And this should not become a personal feud between posters.

It's about a missing child and a family who is hurting. Try to keep that in mind.

YAWN...

You don't have to defend your position of support for the victims.  I don't see where anyone isn't letting you express it.  It appears that you are unable, however, to let others express theirs.

Is that you, Kettle?

Titch - I just posted May 2010 as well

if Harry didn't ask them for money, they were foolish and selfish IMO not to give him something.  I'd want to know, myself, that I'd done everything I could.  That's just one of the hinky things Kaine has done to set my meter off.
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The two biggest things that are driving me crazy are, why they ALL waited over a week to talk to the media and of course, why TH has not said boo in her defense.
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You do not know that Kaine made that decision.
Mr. Oakes was not asked by anyone in the family to come look for Kyron, so why would they give him anything? He got involved because an outsider asked him, apparently. We do not know what evidence LE has, and people inserting themselves into the case could actually mess things up. That includes Harry Oaks. I'm sure TY knows if the investigation is being run correctly. It does no good to step on anyone's toes until a family is sure LE has run out of steam.This is why Texas Equsearch (sp?) doesn't get involved until the family asks them to come do a search.
Multnomah County is financially strapped, so fund raisers for the search may be necessary. It may take a long time to find that sweet little guy.
I think the family was quiet because LE was trying to keep tabs on Terri in hopes that she'd lead them to Kyron. THIS IS NOT A FACT, so don't use it as such. LE knew from probably that first day that Terri was a liar, and that she was involved...again just my opinion and NOT A FACT.
[/quote] good, now you get it.  Opinions are like ... we all have them.  If LE can't afford to search, and Mr. Oakes is willing, why not let him?  Is it illegal to do so?  If my child was missing, I'd want to look everywhere.  So far, we've got the gym covered.  He's not there.

me thinks the "lady?" doth protest too much

too bad egos come before our children.  thanks for the backstory, Claycat

ITA

And I am very surprised Terri didn't file within the 5 day time frame to contest the RO, and now is moving out of the house rather then appear in court next week.  That seems like a way around having to testify in court about the MFH plot.  So it seems like the kids are not as important to her right now, not the house, nor is she jumping to speak in public.  Which also tells me there must be something here in the MFH plot..or that would not hold her back from appearing in court to get her daughter back.

If anyone out there reading this..if you know anything about Kyron or the MFH plot..you need to go to LE immediately and state what you know..because you are hindering the investigation if you do not speak with LE and tell them what you know, heard or saw.

As always JMHO

JMHO

that's sad, Klaas. 

The whole picture thing reminds me of my boys and their former step mother...

I wonder if her attorney is considering taking a plea deal.....that could explain the silence. He is exploring all their options, I'm sure. I wonder if he's had Terri take a private poly?

O/T... sry all

6 dead, 4 wounded in New Mexico Office Shooting

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/07/12/multiple-people-shot-new-mexico-office-buildling-gunman-loose/ (http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/07/12/multiple-people-shot-new-mexico-office-buildling-gunman-loose/)

While I don't believe Terri removed Kyron to save him, I see nothing wrong if people on here or other sites want to think that. And it may be obvious to some people that there are better ways to save a child then take he/she and put them in hiding, but perhaps for some people that is what they think is best. I'm having a hard time even with the fact that Terri may have had an accomplice, but who knows? It could also be someone seeking revenge against Terri, at this point, and little info who knows?

Klaas, could you post links to these albums? I cannot find them listed on her facebook page. But if I have a link, I can see the pictures.

TIA!

Terrible, thank-you.

oh, that was really a sweet, story.  I love how she stopped by to say goodbye in spirit.  Tears.

Been collecting as links have been given out:

FB_Halloween2005onPics
http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=2018740&id=1264414625

FB_Nov2009-Pics
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=866720&id=1264414625&fbid=1286441922190

FB_May2010Pics
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=1344013&id=1264414625#!/album.php?id=1264414625&aid=2063551&s=0&hash=0add68a8aba693bcdc759a4900d5009c

FB_June2010Pics
http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=2066372&id=1264414625

Sry.. one link was too long.. Will try tiny link if this doesn't work

FB_May2010Pics
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=1344013&id=1264414625#!/album.php?id=1264414625&aid=2063551&s=0&hash=0add68a8aba693bcdc759a4900d5009c (http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=1344013&id=1264414625#!/album.php?id=1264414625&aid=2063551&s=0&hash=0add68a8aba693bcdc759a4900d5009c)

yes, please do take your own advice as well

From Lenie:
"I agree with your statements. I am not saying that I don't think it is very possible that Terri is responsible for what has happened to Kyron. Most of us would ask that our spouse be removed from the home or leave the home ourselves if LE told us that someone told them that a murder for hire plot has been exposed. I am not arguing that point. My point was that whatever Kaine says seems to be believed. Also it was on this very site that I read that Kaine had said that Terri had suffered from PPD. When I went to the video it says "I think Terri suffered from".
I get all of my information from this site and then go to the links. I am also a very fair person, that is why I say Terri's trial should be held in the courts, with people that have all of the information."


Kaine said in one of his interviews that Terri had been on medication for PPD, and that he was told to keep an eye on her for 6 months. That would be easy for LE to verify. I don't think that Kaine has been proven to be a liar as far as this situation is concerned. He has been credible so far, if a person pays attention to the facts that we know at this point.  That is not the case with Terri.

Thanks Wyks

Brandi - sorry, I had posted over in the Pictures thread

I just can't imagine the guilt the parents must have right now. Considering they believe Terri has a hand in this and they allowed her to take care of him. I bet they are beating themselves up daily. I bet they have relived every moment that could have been a sign to them that they should have paid attention to more closely.

You know who else must feel horribly? The teacher because if she had just questioned why he was not there just a little more, then maybe he would have been found.
 
So many woulda's, coulda's, shoulda's in this case. Meanwhile we have this little lost boy who was a victim of those around him I feel and I bet all he wants right now is to be found and come back home.

Thanks, so much, Wyks!

If she fights the RO now, she will have to offer proof that it needs to be overturned, won't she? I don't think she can do that. I'm sure her lawyer has a game plan, and the RO is probably the least of her legal woes.

I am anxious to see if he lied about the affair.  Kaine says his marriage grew apart after the birth of Kiara.  He mentions Terri become "more" erratic after her birth.  If he was truly concerned about his wife, why not get her help instead of running to another?  Also, wouldn't the same erratic behavior that made her no longer good enough to be his wife, also concern him around the children?  If it's true he left them all at home to sleep at his lover's house, just how erratic was she acting?  Good enough to mother his children, but not good enough to be his wife?

That's what concerns me about Kaine.  I'm not so sure he's an honest man, but I think he's definitely got skeletons to hide.  One of those skeletons may lead to his son. JMO

Earlier on I had asked if anyone had the video link where he said "she suffered from" because when I went to a link that was suppose to be it, it said "I think she suffered from  postpartum depression or something like that". I was just asking for a link to verify it.
I have never said that Kain was lying. My point was why is everything he says taken as the truth. When I found out my husband was messing around on me and had been for several years, I filed for divorce. He told the courts that none of my children belonged to him, that I was a drug addict, drank all the time, and slept around with different men. Although none of it was true I had to take drug test, he did not have to prove that I took drugs, I had to prove that I did not. All of my girls had to have dna testing done. All because he said so.

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/07/kyrons_stepmom_wont_contest_he.html

Kyron Horman's stepmom won't contest her husband's push to have her leave their home
Published: Monday, July 12, 2010, 12:35 PM     Updated: Monday, July 12, 2010, 1:06 PM

Terri Moulton Horman won't contest her husband's request that she be ordered by the court to move out of their Northwest Sheltered Nook Road house and not return, nor the restraining order she faces, according to her attorney's court filing today.

A judge had set a show-cause hearing for July 22 on Kaine Horman's request to kick his wife out of their home, but Stephen Houze, Horman's criminal defense attorney, filed a letter with the court today saying the hearing would not be necessary, according to court records.

In his letter, Houze said Terri Horman would not be contesting any of the matters before the court, including a restraining order that prevents her from any parenting time with her daughter, Kiara.

Kaine Horman had asked the court to hold an expedited hearing to force his wife out of his house.

Kaine Horman argued in court papers that their daughter, Kiara, now 20 months old, has lived at their home on Northwest Sheltered Nook Road since she was born, and it would be in his children's best interest to live in the home they grew up in. Kaine Horman is listed as the sole owner of the rural home. He bought the house in January 2007, three months before he and Terri got married in Hawaii.

"Petitioner believes it is important for Kiara to be back in the family residence in order to provide her with stability and consistency," Kaine Horman's lawyer, Laura Rackner wrote, in a motion to modify the restraining order last week. "Petitioner believes it will be important for Kyron to be back in the family residence once he is located in order to provide him with stability and consistency."

Terri Horman is the stepmom of Kyron Horman, the 7-year-old boy missing since he was last seen at Skyline School on June 4.

Kaine Horman left the house with their daughter Kiara on June 26 after investigators alerted him that Terri Horman had solicited her landscaper to kill him in an alleged murder-for-hire plot six to seven months before Kyron's disappearance.

In court papers seeking a restraining order against his wife, Kaine Horman said he believes his wife is involved in the disappearance of his son, 7-year-old Kyron Horman.

Terri Horman has not been charged with any crime. The investigation into the boy's disappearance is ongoing.

Kaine Horman and Desiree Young, Kyron's mom, who have been answering media questions the past several weeks and holding news conferences, released a statement Sunday, saying they would not be talking this week.

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They looked very happy when did this change when James was sent away. and is that the same time Teri came off of her meds?

I hear you! My husbands ex said that my husband was a big drinker and that her husband did not drink. The truth of the matter was that my husband had an occasional beer. She actually said that my husband was a drinker (and put it in court documents against my husband) when she knew that her husband had 7+ DUI's . Needless to say the judge had a field day with her lies. We got custody for this and so many other reasons.

There is zero evidence that he "ran" to another and there is zero evidence he DID NOT get her help.  I have not seen any proof about a lover.  WHO IS SAYING THIS? 

That said, even if all the BS rumors you posted are true, it does not excuse harming or disappearing KRYON which is what this is about.

Why is Kyron in a different color than the rest of the family?  The baby has white but everyone else has on black.  Just an observation and likely a nit-picking one at that.

Maybe he doesn't have a black shirt? 

I thought of that, but that's not sinister enough.  :0)  It just sticks out to me like he's an "outsider".  How much could a black shirt cost so everyone is matchy-matchy?

I'm glad Terri is not fighting, and is going to leave the home so that Kiara can stay there.  I have to wonder, if she did hurt Kyron, if it was premeditated.  How did she think she could get away with it?  It doesn't seem like she put much thought into it, IMO.  If she was such an avid CSI watcher, why did she have her phone with her?  Why not turn it off, or leave it at home.  How many monkeys wouldn't know the phone can be tracked?  If she hurt Kyron, then I have to believe she truly did it to hurt Kaine and maybe Desiree.  I wonder if Desiree said or did something to make her angry? 
OR...Did she just snap?  Did she slap Kyron in the hall at school, so hard she knocked his glasses off?  Did she think he would tell on her, or that her hand had left an impression on his face that everyone would see?  Was she just going to take him away from the school so that he wouldn't be seen, but something else happened?  All of these are just things that I have considered, though I have no basis for them.  Where is Kyron?

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Going through some of the facebook pics. My comments in RED.

"Contempt of court filing by Kyron Horman's father accuses Terri Horman of having affair , sexting with husband's high school friend."

Not sure what to make of this - if anything.

http://twitter.com/KGWNews

http://twitter.com/KGWNews

Contempt of court filing by Kyron Horman's father accuses Terri Horman of having affair , sexting with husband's high school friend.
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I'm not sure it's been proven that Kaine is having an affair. He has denied it, and I'm sure LE checked him out. That was another rumor posted on a blog somewhere. Who knows if it's true or not?

I'm not sure exactly what Kaine said, but the gist of it was that she was having some mental issue after the birth of her daughter, and was taking medication.  The words " I think" were just his way of speaking, IMHO. There may not be a link like you are looking for, but the one that I watched was the one where he discussed the medication, and all the rest of it.

I've been thinking maybe Kaine wasn't kind to her, or wasn't turned on by her once she had the baby.  Her figure changed and some men are really bothered by that when their wives still have their post-delivery body.  It seems like she started slipping, letting things go, and I think she must have been depressed.  She obviously is driven, since she was a body builder, so she could have gotten back into shape pretty quickly if she had the desire.  It could have been that James was driving her nuts (just because he's a teenager) or because he couldn't get along with Kaine.  Maybe he picked on Kyron and Kiara because he was jealous?  It stands to reason that it could have been what started her decline.

Michael Cook comes to mind to me right away.

JMO!!!

"Sexting is the act of sending sexually explicit messages or photographs, primarily between mobile phones

calling me out? not my BS rumors, I said I can't wait to see if the affairs were true.  I didn't say they were.  Why can't anyone answer WHY he left the kids with her if she was so messed up?????????????????????

now my panties are in a wad

http://www.kgw.com/news/local/Court-doc-Kaine-Terri-Horman-kyron-horman-contempt-sexting-98270654.html

Court doc: Kaine wants Terri Horman held in contempt, accused of sexual affair

PORTLAND, Ore. -- The father of missing Portland boy Kyron Horman wants his estranged wife held in contempt of court, accusing her of having a sexual affair with one of his childhood friends.

A motion from Kaine Horman's attorney asked the judge to hold Terri Moulton Horman in contempt of court for showing a then-sealed restraining order to Michael Cook.

DETAILS: Terri agrees to leave house

In the motion, it was alleged Terri also exchanged graphic sexual text messages with Cook since June 30. Cook was a high school friend of Kaine Horman.

Terri agreed to abide by requests in the restraining order Monday that she move out of the former family home and cease visitation with the couple's 20-month-old child Kiara.

Documents in the case alleged Terri at one point also tried to hire a man to kill Kaine.

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OS

http://www.kgw.com/news/Court-doc-Kaine-Terri-Horman-kyron-horman-contempt-sexting-98270654.html

Court doc: Kaine wants Terri Horman held in contempt, accused of sexual affair.

http://www.kgw.com/news/Court-doc-Kaine-Terri-Horman-kyron-horman-contempt-sexting-98270654.html

PORTLAND, Ore. -- The father of missing Portland boy Kyron Horman wants his estranged wife held in contempt of court, accusing her of violating a restraining order against her. The document also alleged she was having a sexual affair with one of Kaine's childhood friends.

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Court doc: Kaine wants Terri Horman held in contempt, accused of sexual affair

PORTLAND, Ore. -- The father of missing Portland boy Kyron Horman wants his estranged wife held in contempt of court, accusing her of violating a restraining order against her. The document also alleged she was having a sexual affair with one of Kaine's childhood friends.

A motion from Kaine Horman's attorney asked the judge to hold Terri Moulton Horman in contempt of court for showing a then-sealed restraining order to Michael Cook.

DETAILS: Terri agrees to leave house

In the motion, it was alleged Terri also exchanged graphic sexual text messages with Cook since June 30. Cook was a high school friend of Kaine Horman.

Terri agreed to abide by requests in the restraining order Monday that she move out of the former family home and cease visitation with the couple's 20-month-old child Kiara.

Documents in the case alleged Terri at one point also tried to hire a man to kill Kaine.

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http://www.kgw.com/news/local/Court-doc-Kaine-Terri-Horman-kyron-horman-contempt-sexting-98270654.html

They did look very happy here. 

And IIRC, we do not have confirmation either way that Terri ever was on any meds.  Hearsay until it's confirmed by LE or her atty or Terri herself.  IMO. 

In the motion, it was alleged Terri also exchanged graphic sexual text messages with Cook since June 30. Cook was a high school friend of Kaine Horman.

http://www.kgw.com/news/Court-doc-Kaine-Terri-Horman-kyron-horman-contempt-sexting-98270654.html

Even more :::shockedmonkey:::  Who does something like this when a child is missing?  Oy

This could be one of the reasons she's being quiet.  I thought only teenagers did that kind of stuff.  I expect anyone older than 18 ought to know better.

Klaas and Brandi ~ You're welcome!  :) 

Well, now we can put 2 & 2 together & figure out why the rumors involving Cook were spread around yesterday... Maybe somebody was attempting to take the attention away from themselves? Sexting is VERY easily proven.

Lenie I am sorry you went through that. So many times we as woman are the victims and not the other way around. I think that is why for instance there has been a bit of hesitance on some peoples part to fully back Kaine. I know for me I want to make sure he wasn't abusive to Terri and that comes from my own life as well as other woman who have suffered in controlling and abusive marriages.
I have been married 2 other times, yes this is my 3rd marriage. 3rd time is a charm I say. My first husband was very abusive. I am lucky that my parents came and took me away one night or I think I would have either killed him or ended up dead myself. He was very controlling of everything in my life, and I mean everything. He cheated on me left and right. By the time I left that marriage I had nothing left of myself. It took years to heal. Thankfully I never had children with him, that was with winner #2 which I'll leave that for another time.

Excellent point!

They began June 30, it says.

Article has been updated to state this:

A motion from Kaine Horman's attorney asked the judge to hold Terri Moulton Horman in contempt of court for showing a then-sealed restraining order to Michael Cook.

Terri was accused in the document of trying to "abduct" the couple's 20-month-old child Kiara from a daycare gym on June 28, after a gym clerk called police while Kaine was working out.

In the motion, it was alleged Terri also exchanged graphic sexual text messages with Cook since June 30. Cook was a high school friend of Kaine Horman.

Terri agreed to abide by requests in the restraining order Monday that she move out of the former family home and cease visitation with Kiara.

http://www.kgw.com/news/local/Court-doc-Kaine-Terri-Horman-kyron-horman-contempt-sexting-98270654.html

I must be missing something, how is this contempt of court? She hasn't I don't believe gone where she hasn't, meaning near Kaine, Kitty, James and the gym. IMO, who cares if she is having affair, sexting with husband's high school friend? They are separated, so how is this contempt of court? Unless there was more in the documents that we didn't see, or I don't remember seeing it?

OMG......I thought my mom was in here!  LOL
I have 2 sisters, all of us 18 months apart in age...........hense a lot of bickering!

Sorry for O/T Klaas......I really did have a flash from my past when I read "STOP THE BICKERING"

Do you know if this means they will report on this later?

Never mind I just saw this 
A motion from Kaine Horman's attorney asked the judge to hold Terri Moulton Horman in contempt of court for showing a then-sealed restraining order to Michael Cook.

I'm starting to think the forgetting was probably intentional. She may have wanted all the attention on her bio child. I don't think she ever forgot that Kyron was Desiree's child. I think it's highly unlikely that she wouldn't wait for Kyron to be in that class picture with Kiara unless it was on purpose. That "sigh" on Facebook was just for effect IMO. After all, it WAS Kyron's class. Am I the only one that thinks it a little odd to take your baby's pic in her older brother's classroom surrounded by HIS classmates? Or is that something all the kids' parents did in that neck of the woods?  Kyron not being there seems symbolic to me--she is 'replacing' him with Kiara.

I thought Michael Cook was the one that was helping so much with the search for Kyron. I read that he has been such a great help. Ugh! Just when you think that this case cannot get any stranger? Poor Kyron. I sure hope he is alive and well.

how would she be able to go anywhere without thinking she was being followed?  she should have anticipated her every move would be watched.  she is really stupid to be sexting too, who wouldn't expect that their phones would be tapped, their texts?  she's not too bright if this stuff is true.

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Maybe Michael Cook decided to go to LE? How else could they know that TH showed him the restraining order and how else could they know about the sexting? I had never even heard of sexting? I must be getting old!

A motion from Kaine Horman's attorney asked the judge to hold Terri Moulton Horman in contempt of court for showing a then-sealed restraining order to Michael Cook.

http://www.kgw.com/news/kyron-horman/Court-doc-Kaine-Terri-Horman-kyron-horman-contempt-sexting-98270654.html

Here's what I wanna know: How did Kaine find out Michael saw the RO? Michael Cook & Kaine were good friends. I would think it was Michael that told this to Kaine...assuming, that is. Somebody started a rumor yesterday stating how "close" they could have been - btw, nothing that I've found even remotely supports the crap that was spread over the net last night! I wonder if Michael tried to help Kaine's case by doing this? If so, could that hinder the case against Terri? If it's not LE that was involved, would it still be considered entrapment?

It states this:
"A motion from Kaine Horman's attorney asked the judge to hold Terri Moulton Horman in contempt of court for showing a then-sealed restraining order to Michael Cook."

Now, if this is the case and what I've stated holds semi basis, then maybe we're all being drawn into the beginning of a divorce war. No matter how any of us look at it, it can;t possibly even look good.

no, you're not the only one!  I was going to post that same sentiment, why was she there? in Kyron's class, taking a class photo?  did she volunteer a lot at the school?  if so, then probably many of the kids knew Kiara and probably loved her.  I still think it's very odd though.

Ok don't jump on me, but is it illegal to send sexual texts from one adult to another? I don't get why that would be in the document.

So we know she is not sitting by as he takes her daughter. I think this is turning into an ugly divorce. Can't they just save some of this stuff until after they find Kyron?

They keep updating it. It now reads:

PORTLAND, Ore. -- The father of missing Portland boy Kyron Horman wants his estranged wife held in contempt of court, accusing her of violating a restraining order against her. The document also alleged she was having a sexual affair with one of Kaine's childhood friends and tried to abduct the couple's 20-month-old child.

A motion from Kaine Horman's attorney asked the judge to hold Terri Moulton Horman in contempt of court for showing a then-sealed restraining order to Michael Cook.

The documents show that a clerk at a gym said Terri came there on June 28, before the original papers were served, in an attempt to “abduct” Kiara Harmon. Terri asked specifically when Kaine was there working out and to let her know the next time he appeared. The clerk told the manager what happened and the manager then contacted police.

In the motion, it was alleged Terri also exchanged graphic sexual text messages with Cook since June 30. Cook was a high school friend of Kaine Horman.

Terri agreed to abide by requests in the restraining order Monday that she move out of the former family home and cease visitation with Kiara.

DETAILS: Terri agrees to leave house

Documents in the case alleged Terri at one point also tried to hire a man to kill Kaine. The documents made public Monday showed that Terri was accused of making "sexual overtures" to the potential hitman, similar to those she made to Cook.

Got to wonder if Michael Cook was getting cozy with Terri to get her in more trouble, and report back to Kaine.

that was my first question, how would he know? and if Cook went to LE, why is Kaine asking for the contempt of court?  why wouldn't LE file it, without him?  I don't think they would need it.  Maybe Cook let it slip in a conversation he had with Kaine.  How would Kaine know about the sexting?  all very strange, IMO

"The court documents in addition, showed that a clerk at a gym said Terri came there on June 28, before the original papers were served, in an attempt to “abduct” Kiara Harmon. Terri asked specifically when Kaine was there working out and to let her know the next time he appeared. The clerk told the manager what happened and the manager then contacted police."

http://www.kgw.com/news/Court-doc-Kaine-Terri-Horman-kyron-horman-contempt-sexting-98270654.html

Kaine Horman, who is living in an undisclosed location, has not responded to attempts by The Oregonian to reach him. Michael Cook, a friend from high school who earlier this month helped organize a vigil for 7-year-old Kyron, said he has spoken with him, but he declined to say how Horman was doing.

"It's sad," he said about the latest development in the case. "It's very sad. I'm just a friend. I hope Kyron comes home."

Cook, who has been at the Horman house Tuesday and Wednesday, urged the public not to prejudge anyone. "I'm not jumping to any conclusions or passing any sort of judgment," he said. "I don't know what happened to Kyron and I won't presume that someone is responsible because of how things might appear."

About 4 p.m. Wednesday, Cook drove up in a blue pickup truck laden with supplies for Terri Horman and her family and friends.

He parked among the 10 or so news vehicles hugging the shoulder on Sheltered Nook Road, dropped off a cooler filled with beverages -- an olive branch to the cameramen and reporters -- then drove up to the home and dropped off 12-packs of Coca-Cola and 7-Up, bottles of Arrowhead water, Hefty kitchen garbage bags, Quaker Chewy granola bars and catfood.

He declined to talk about the mood inside the home, saying he feared his words would be twisted

Terri Horman was served with the restraining order and divorce papers about 6 p.m. Monday.

Kaine Horman's petition for a restraining order, which must offer an explanation of why he feared his wife was a threat to himself and their daughter, was sealed by Multnomah County Circuit Court Judge Keith Meisenheimer. It was sought after Kyron's dad, as well as his mom and stepdad, had been "fully briefed by law enforcement on the on-going criminal investigation."

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/terri_moulton_horman_retains_p.html

Now they are reporting that:

The order says that Terri took the restraining order to Cook's home, where Cook took photos the document, which included Kaine's new address. It also states that Cook Google mapped the address.

http://www.kgw.com/news/Court-doc-Kaine-Terri-Horman-kyron-horman-contempt-sexting-98270654.html

I sure would not know why sexting would be illegal between a 40 year old and a late 30ish year old, stupid and gross perhaps, but illegal, I don't know how. Oh, yeah this is going to be an ugly divorce, and I agree hold back until Kyron is found.

She's in contempt of court because she showed her lover(Michael Cook) the "sealed" court restraining order. It also says Terri attempted to abduct Kiara at the daycare gym on June 28th when Kaine was working out. A gym employee called police.

This is not good news for that sweet little lost boy.
She apparently is completely unconcerned about Kyron, and very concerned with having another man to take Kaine's place. She seems to be revealing her priorities, among other things...

WTH are they all insane?

does it sound like somebody is "squeezing" Michael Cook?  how else would Kaine find out? does LE think he's an accomplice?

And I might add, where is Kyron?????

I totally agree with you.  This woman is a sick human being. 

And the link is saying "graphic sexual activity".  That's not just a picture, I wouldn't think. 

Sounds like LE needs to take a look at Michael Cook if they haven't already.
No wonder Kaine's in hiding.......geesh

OMG! She tried to kidnap the baby?
I think Terri is dangerous. A rational person does not behave this way.

I am sick with worry about Kyron.

Oh for petes sakes. Just as I thought this case couldn't turn into more of a soap opera.

I don't know, maybe it was Terri that posted that stufff about Kaine and Micheal cook. This is all stupid at this point. What are they doing to find Kyron!

I was asking the same thing, No Rose......WTF??

Bet her lawyer is sorry he took her on ... and bet he doesn't stick around long.  She is not the brightest crayon in the box ... just sayin!

Not if they are heck-bent on psychological warfare to make her crack wide open.  IMO. 

That is what I am thinking. Or Cook was used to gather information?

Kyron Horman's Father Said to File for Divorce, Restraining Order Against Wife
Kyron Horman's Stepmother Was Last Person to See Second-Grader Alive
By BARBARA PINTO and SARAH NETTER
June 29, 2010.
 Is Kaine just doing this cuz he's pissed  at Teri &  Cook since . Cook was a high school friend of Kaine Horman.
This started after he fied for Divorce June 30

HLN reporting about Terri's affair with Michael Cook. He's reading from the court documents.

Thank God for that employee.

At this point the order was not given to Terri so she had the right to take the baby. Perhaps this is why they included the baby into the RO, they feared she was going to take her. They would have to prove she did planned on taking the baby and keep her away from the dad. She could say I was planning on taking my daughter out to lunch...Unless there is something not being said, I don't think this shows she was going to abduct the baby.

I agree Tracygirl. Try doing what I did late last night. I tried looking all over the internet to see if there were any developments in the search for Kyron and all I kept getting was anything but that! Where is Kyron?

I think Michael Cook is either being "squeezed" or he's "helping" Kaine by being part of this stuff.

Does anyone know what his occupation is?

Kyron Horman's Father Said to File for Divorce, Restraining Order Against Wife

By BARBARA PINTO and SARAH NETTER
June 29, 2010

If she went to get her child on the 28 th why didn't they let her he didn't file yet?

Watch HLN need to catch up very interesting!Q

On the other hand (I'm just playing devil's advocate here--aka being annoying) if TH has a personality disorder, once she had the baby, she didn't really need James around anymore as "something" of hers. And the behavior would change, not because of PPD, but as a typical personality-disordered type. Once she had Kaine's child, she felt that she was in like Flynn and Kyron was now also just taking up space in what should be "her" house. As for her having cyber-sex with Kaine's high school buddy, that too is typical. The pathological try to cut out all his/her "mark's" or victim's support structure. She'd concentrate on his friends and family members individually, making each feel that they are her only friend; she'd turn everyone against him by playing the victim and making up tales. It wouldn't surprise me if she'd tried to buddy up to Desiree after Kiara was born, and trying to turn her against Kaine.

I saw this very thing happen with my ex-husband. Luckily for him I recognized a sociopath when I met one, forced him to read Ann Rule's "Small Sacrifices", and he was able to escape his disastrous second marriage relatively unscathed, not for lack of her trying her pathological best though. Most importantly, he was able to protect his son from being used as a pawn. Although he was not great husband material (the sneaky philanderer!), he makes a better friend, and he is still my best friend. Sorry for the O/T

Michael Cook FB a/c from Kaine's friend list:
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1407043277

This is getting out of control. Where is Kyron? Is anyone searching for him in that Family!? I would be driving around every spare minute I had trying to find out answers. This sexting, Cook thing is like something off of Desperate Housewives. These people are grown adults, with a little boy missing.  How did Kaine find out they were sexting? Cook was a friend of Kaine's yet is going to flirt and conspire against him while his son is missing and with his wife? Terri is looking more and more worse to the public everyday. Why is this dirty laundry being aired? I can only imagine what went on in that household before Kyron went missing. How sad for Kyron. Such a beautiful little boy inside and out. Terri didn't get like this overnight, and there appeared to be signs before hand  according to Desiree and Kaine, yet nothing was done about it. I personally find the comment of Kyron going off to the bathroom without telling anyone RUDE. Why would a mother post that about her child. I would have realized he was not there and waited or at least taken another picture.

and we thought no one could top the Anthonys or the Cummings....  These people are unbelievable.  All shock and awe aside if that is even possible at this point, seems like Michael Cook knows a whole lot about both of them, to me that should raise a little suspicion toward him.  Cook seems to have put himself smack dab in the middle of these two.  Both Kaine and Terri had a copy of the sealed order didn't they.  It's also possible Cook has a wife that found this stuff, IDK.

I'm ready to throw a bag of rocks at all of them, IMO they could care less if Kyron is found or not!!!!!!!!!!!!  Another thing I don't believe you can abduct your own child until custody etc has been established. 

It is possible Titch.....at this point anything is possible.

I think he must have told the employes there to not allow the baby to go with her mom.

Is he an actor? Ie: Could he be involved in theater, or a member of his family in theater?

The actual court documents are here:

http://www.kgw.com/news/Court-doc-Kaine-Terri-Horman-kyron-horman-contempt-sexting-98270654.html

READ: Court motion for contempt charge

OS

Titch I am behind about 4 pages HAD to do some work, apoligize if asked and answered already.....HOW can she be held in contempt of court for having an affair, never heard of that one....

 I guess now we know if the mutual friend was the boyfriend why he remained mutual and visiting the house.

Will say it again getting really bad feeling about Kyron, and am very sad....flashback to Caylee Anthony?

I'm with you. Seems really strange to me that Kaine's good friend is doing all this with Terri.

http://images.bimedia.net/documents/horman-affair.pdf

 Court motion for contempt charge at above link.

Until I get other info, that is what I'm thinking, Cook was used to gather info.

This says that Terri was making "overtures" to Cook - doesn't say he returned them.

Again I'm with you, I don't think this shows she was going to abduct the baby. And would be very hard to prove.

My guess is that since she is a suspect in Kyron's disappearance, Kaine did not trust her with Kiara. I know i wouldn't. He may have already put the RO in motion at that point....I'm not sure how that works. But obviously, he had concerns about the baby's safety.
It is scary to know that Terri was planning something like that. But it also shows that she's not legally insane....just devious.

snipped

In the motion, it was alleged Terri also exchanged hundred of text messages with Cook and several photographs of graphic sexual activity since June 30. Cook was a high school friend of Kaine Horman. Kaine told authorities that Terri and Cook did not know each other before Kyron's disappearance and were now in a relationship.
How does Kaine know this? Why would this guy who never knew Terri well before this start a tawdry affair, while his friends son is missing, with his friends wife I ask myself. Something is really off. Either Terri is a total sociopath, or she is being set up. Was this guy flirting with her to get info. for Kaine?

Cook was a secret agent......LOL, on the serious side maybe Terri was trying to seduce Cook, the document is very one sided pointing at Terri, the only way Kaine would know she Terri showed it to Cook was one he told someone else or he told Kaine, I am going to refrain from jumping on Cook until we know they "were" having an affair.  For all I gather from the document "she" Terri was sending him sex texts?

I may have to get off the fence here, accordin to the document Terri tried to take Kaira, not good she may very well be unhinged.

Oh DEAR GOD please help Kyron, he is innocent her!!

me too. it would certainly explain the reason for the nast a$$ rumors! not that it's a "good" reason, but still...could perhaps explain why somebody would go online & spread such stuff.

I think the actual court doc. needs to be taken apart piece by piece

to fully know and understand what is going on, KGW is giving snip=its of it. Not that they are wrong, but might not be including everything.

Like in the doc. it says Kaine believes the affair began June 30th  that he didn't believe they knew each other when Kyron went missing (not exact wording). I just skimmed over it briefly.

JMO

OS

Wow.  She's outta control.

JMO and only MO.

This is so weird.  This is shaping up to be a very bad divorce, from the one-sided filings that we have been made aware of. 

What is this MC's objective here?  Why would you insert yourself into this crazy story? 

Oh, and at the risk of being slaughtered out there, why is TH considered to be "abducting" her own child if the visit to get baby K was before any papers were served?  IMO, the sexting and alleged abduction are extraneous information that doesn't move the finding of Kyron forward.

Thank you Klaas & thanks to Blink for the new story!

I think eveyrone needs to step back a moment and wait to see what this is all about. 

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It doesn't make sense, and I find it way odd that Terri and Cook didn't even know each other until now, and now this good friend has an affair? Sounds like a set up to me, I'll wait to hear more.

Of the 12 pages, these are the most informative IMO:

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We were on the same wavelength, Klaas. LOL

Someone asked how Kaine knew about the text messages - that's easy. Her phone is being monitored and the police are getting a hard copy of her phone transactions as they occur. This is real time in case she contacts who may have Kyron. The police shared that info with Kaine.

Or

Kaine got the bill and there is a detailed layout of her calls and the text message receiver. The receiver would be the number that she sent the texts to, however, it would not have the actually texts themselves, just the number where she sent them, so the police have shared that info contained within the text with Kaine.

I agree Kyron should be one and only focus. Yes the drama reeks of the Anthony saga. I too am not having a good feeling about Kyron. The so called sexting states "exchanged" which is a two party agreement. You can't exchange with yourself. This is just too sad! :(
 Why not save all of this for the divorce? Why not keep your dirty laundery private? Why not for the sake of the children act civil?

Brandi

TY

Also in it, it states that MC took pics with his cell phone of the RO and showed it to 2 other people iirc.

And LE is the one that told either Kaine or his lawyer.

What a mess.

OS

Rob - read the doc, police obtained the information and shared it with Kaine. 

Exactly..you stated that very well. 

But in the end ..they know someone else is responsible and probably had help to take Kyron away.   This looks like a change of hands the day he disappeared..the missing link needs to step up and step forward now...LE will be kinder now then they will be in the end.

Also ..I believe that if Terri had no part in this she would have stepped up to the 5 day frame of filing ..to file a counter plea to get her daughter back.  There is a reason why she is not doing this..my thoughts..she doesn't want to address the issue of a hit on Kaine which is the basis for the children's custody and the need to return to the comfort of the family home.

Why would she not address the issue of a hit on Kaine if it was fiction?  She surely has a high powered attorney.  If she was the loving Mom she proposed to be..why isn't she screaming for the need to have her daughter with her?

WTH! Why would somebody even get involved with her, knowing that her stepson is missing & she's being implicated all over the place! Eff this! How the hell could somebody make a mockery of Kyron's disappearance? He is a small little innocent child! He matters! Why would somebody do this, no matter the reason?

That's an understatement and WHERE IS KYRON?