Scared Monkeys Discussion Forum

Friend Defends Man Named In Horman Court Docs
Police Say Michael Cook Had Pictures Of Sealed Documents In Cell Phone

POSTED: 5:57 pm PDT July 13, 2010
UPDATED: 7:10 pm PDT July 13, 2010

http://www.kptv.com/news/24249500/detail.html

Yeppers.  He fits the description of what psychics/astrologers and others have been sensing. 

Wow very interesting a poster at oregon live posted the following;  Honestly I don't know what to think of it, so many on forums enjoy "playing games", but then I go back to the posts on MC and they were a half-truth so to say.
Sticking with my thought people who know what is going on post things.  No doubt a battle in on with the families, and they should be beyond stable when Kyron is missing and SM won't talk.

from oregonlive>>>>>

Does anyone on here know what the poster below "love" something meant when she wrote:

"since I myself DO know the facts regarding Kyron NOT being dropped off at the school and left unattended on the playground an hour early by his SM.

Tonight may be a very historic night."

???  (Edit to change color to blue) dinTexas, We prefer red not be used for highlighting, as it's used by admin/moderators to call attention to posts and edits.)  Thanks.  Muffy

From previous thread:

After what his ex-wife Shannon wrote and what he did with Terri I really don't care what an old HS friend says about him.

Ya'll feel free to use any of the other 11 Kyron images I have posted as a thread topper.
(I see the same one is being used in all the threads.)

After what his ex-wife Shannon wrote and what he did with Terri I really don't care what an old HS friend says about him.

After what his ex-wife Shannon wrote and what he did with Terri I really don't care what an old HS friend says about him.

From previous thread:

I agree. 

This snipped from the article at the link above:

"Once he came to his senses and realized this was a really bad decision, he cut it off with Terri. He said, 'You know, I can’t do this. Kaine’s my friend,'" Owens said. "We got involved because we wanted to help our friend find Kyron and, unfortunately, it’s blown up into somewhat of a soap opera."

After "100's of texts", am wondering what brought him 'to his senses'??   ::MonkeyNoNo::

Yowza!  That page of Kurtis' brother is scaaaaary stuff!  Kurtis' mother, the one who is over protective has a kid with a myspace page like that?  Seriously? 

After what his ex-wife Shannon wrote and what he did with Terri I really don't care what an old HS friend says about him.

Just wondering why Terri was driving the truck the morning of June 4, 2010?  Instead of her red mustang?

Just wondering why Terri was driving the truck the morning of June 4, 2010?  Instead of her red mustang?

I wonder the exact same thing. Apparently there were some issues with the truck IIRC and the truck was taken to a shop shortly after Kyron was reported as missing. I wonder what type of "problem" this truck had exactly?

...and where it went for repairs. And what was done to it, exactly.

In all fairness he is 22 so legally an adult.  He also has a baby girl with his girlfriend.

Welcome to Scared Monkeys Spodie!!!! ::MonkeyCheer4:: ::MonkeyCheer4:: ::MonkeyCheer4::

I've been trying to locate pictures of the inside of the school along with floor plan?  Can anyone direct me where to look?  TIA

...and where it went for repairs. And what was done to it, exactly.

"since I myself DO know the facts regarding Kyron NOT being dropped off at the school and left unattended on the playground an hour early by his SM.

Tonight may be a very historic night."     ::MonkeyEek::  My brain must be fried, what does this exactly mean?  Left unattended on the playground, I thought it was a fact that Terri was with him at the fair that morning, right?  And not being dropped off at the school, well how else would he have gotten to the school?

In all fairness he is 22 so legally an adult.  He also has a baby girl with his girlfriend.

On one of the news websites I think I saw a floor plan.  If I find it I'll post.

Maybe that poster was Terri, or a friend (aka 'pawn') of hers. Maybe she's trying to put another scenario out there like Casey Anthony did, one that she thinks is more conducive to Kyron's being snatched by a stranger. Of course it's not taking into account that pictures were taken at the science fair. Maybe she's cunning but not very smart. JMO

Maybe that poster was Terri, or a friend (aka 'pawn') of hers. Maybe she's trying to put another scenario out there like Casey Anthony did, one that she thinks is more conducive to Kyron's being snatched by a stranger. Of course it's not taking into account that pictures were taken at the science fair. Maybe she's cunning but not very smart. JMO

Considering the nature of the post I would think that LE would be very interested in what that person has to say in depth and let's not forget that IP's can be traced etc...

...and where it went for repairs. And what was done to it, exactly.

Maybe that poster was Terri, or a friend (aka 'pawn') of hers. Maybe she's trying to put another scenario out there like Casey Anthony did, one that she thinks is more conducive to Kyron's being snatched by a stranger. Of course it's not taking into account that pictures were taken at the science fair. Maybe she's cunning but not very smart. JMO

Geez, I always hit enter too soon. Anyways, I hope LE is monitoring the internet!

I feel like I need to bleach my brain after looking at Avery's page.  Good gracious!  I'm scared of the  ::MonkeyDevil::

I have to wonder about that..... seems like their budget and manpower wouldn't allow for it.

I was thinking that maybe Terri dropped him at the playground so that her accomplice could pick Kyron up and her hands would be clean so to speak. I hope

What have psychics sensed that matches with Mr Villarreal?  The hair on the back of my neck stands up just looking at his Myspace page!

Ya'll feel free to use any of the other 11 Kyron images I have posted as a thread topper.
(I see the same one is being used in all the threads.)

This makes my skin crawl to look at it.   ::MonkeyEek::

Never mind. I just saw the link.

On one of the news websites I think I saw a floor plan.  If I find it I'll post.

TIA Klaas!  I'm patient!!

Do we know the name of Avery Villarreal's father?

Makes you wonder

Do we know the name of Avery Villarreal's father?

http://www.oregonlive.com/news/index.ssf/2009/09/motorcycle_crash_kills_one_in.html

Possibly this one?

Cat Villarreal.

Cat was killed in an accident on his motorcycle recently.

http://www.skylineridgeneighbors.org/2009Newsline/2009-10-15%20Newsline.pdf

http://www.oregonlive.com/news/index.ssf/2009/09/motorcycle_crash_kills_one_in.html

Possibly this one?

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1007/12/ijvm.01.html

Michelle Sagona on JVM last nite talking about Michael Cook.

Nite all

Os

GOOD NIGHT ALL!!

Janet
8:25 PM PT

I was thinking that maybe Terri dropped him at the playground so that her accomplice could pick Kyron up and her hands would be clean so to speak. I hope

Well I really gotta organize my notes.  lol 

Am trying to find my notes I don't paraphrase what they have sensed.  Will get right back with ya on that, k? 

After what his ex-wife Shannon wrote and what he did with Terri I really don't care what an old HS friend says about him.

Klaas, Can you point me to where I can read what Shannon wrote? TIA

I just came across this and thought I'd post it.  Hope it works as I have posted in awhile. 

http://www.kptv.com/news/24246366/detail.html 

Let me know if it doesn't work.  Thanks Klaas and Brandi for the school floor plans. 

Klaas-Has this been discussed already?  I'm thinking so as there haven't been any comments.  You can delete it it has.  I was shocked to read as I hadn't heard anything about this guy. 

Scroll down to where she posts about her own divorce process:

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:0VzOpTJ739kJ:www.stoptoxicrelationships.com/products.html+%22Shannon+E.+Cook%22+divorce&cd=3&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a (http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:0VzOpTJ739kJ:www.stoptoxicrelationships.com/products.html+%22Shannon+E.+Cook%22+divorce&cd=3&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a)

Klaas-Has this been discussed already?  I'm thinking so as there haven't been any comments.  You can delete it it has.  I was shocked to read as I hadn't heard anything about this guy. 

The sex offender?  No I don't' think he's been discussed.  Sorry I was busy putting together that last post of mine. 

New flyer for Kyron:

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=173030&id=125336750831264

You know probably the reason I discounted this is his victim was a girl (I know I shouldn't think that way)

http://sexoffenders.oregon.gov/SorPublic/Web.dll/main?S=18517034050&cmd=SHOW_BULLETIN&I=8446

IMO the people that set up that Facebook for Kyron are similar to KidsFinders.

http://www.childseeknetwork.com/

I'm a little freaked out about Kim Holm's address in relation to Jim Kelley's place and the sighting of the white truck.  Isn't anyone else freaking?

Favor Klaas...i am lost here tried to figure out who Kim Holm's is and why we are concerned with her and now Jim Kelley, wasn't he the man that spotted the truck?  Thank you sorry to be a pain.

Well I really gotta organize my notes.  lol 

Am trying to find my notes I don't paraphrase what they have sensed.  Will get right back with ya on that, k? 

::MonkeyEek::

There is a Kim Holm that lives or lived at:

15110 NW Cornelius Pass Rd Portland, OR 97231

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/CorneliusPass.jpg)

Which is right near Jim Kelly  - and he said he saw that suspicious white truck with the red haired woman in it.

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/JimKellyTrainTrack.jpg)

Kurtis Holm or Kurtis Villarreal (not sure which) was there that morning on June 4

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/KurtisHolm.jpg)

Kurtis's older brother Avery Villarreal

http://www.myspace.com/496471897

His father died in a car accident September 2009

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/CatVillarrealDies.jpg)



Could Kurtis have enticed Kyron away from the school?

I'm a little freaked out about Kim Holm's address in relation to Jim Kelley's place and the sighting of the white truck.  Isn't anyone else freaking?

BUMP because I think it's important.

Wyks - did you see their location?  The  moms?

I can't recall offhand but IIRC the Father was in a motorcycle accident and had passed away.
I am not sure of the cause of the accident that he was in. Maybe there is an article about it?

I gotta word this carefully so that no one providing the info gets sued, because at this point, we are looking at a possible perp.   

A general descriptive synopsis of the Astros at WS and Psychics from differing forums:

They all sensed in various ways (among other things).. that there were likely at least two people involved, one definitely a young woman associated with school, (other than the stepmother, who likely had some involvement), one a young male, related to the school in some way (an older friend, an older sibling of a student, who wouldn't look out of place at the school), "perp is extremely psychologically twisted and possibly obsessed with sex and death compulsions".  Was lured away from school by man holding a snake in his hand.  Man could have a pet snake or collect snakes.  Male perp has long greasy hair, bumps on face, associated with the young woman.

When given a pic of a young male and asked their sensing on him, psychics having given the above info, said yes, that the young male in the pic matches their description of the young male perp.  They also knew this male is the older relative of a student.  The pic had been taken from a young man's myspace.

The male in the pic is AV.  All info was given to LE/FBI. 
 
 

Good Evening Monkeys and guest!

Klaas...do you know if that area where the white truck was seen and now Kurtis' mom living in same area has been searched thoroughly?
I have been reading all the post and do do not remember if this area was searched.

Klaas-I'm looking at your map and the A pin shows home on 8th Street?  Am I missing it?

From previous thread:

I'm a little freaked out about Kim Holm's address in relation to Jim Kelley's place and the sighting of the white truck.  Isn't anyone else freaking?

From previous thread:

You know what we need one of those many FBI retired guys to do a criminal profile of Kyron's case.  This deal with the mother, and sons has me really wondering.
Maybe someone that knows Blink on Crime? ::CowboySmiley::

Thanks!  He seems obsessed with death metal, but I wonder if he really takes the Satanism seriously.  I'm Agnostic and extremely put off by the "F*** the skull of Jesus" avi on his Myspace.  I just wonder if and when he has crossed paths with Terri?

I hope Kim Holm ... Curtis' mother ... has been questioned by investigators.  I also hope that Tanner's stepmother who resided on but left Sauvie Island following the disappearance of Kyron as also been questioned.

Janet

I'm a little freaked out about Kim Holm's address in relation to Jim Kelley's place and the sighting of the white truck.  Isn't anyone else freaking?

yes it is surly something. Do we know who his girlfriend is?

Klaas-check out Brandi's picture on reply #1955 on 7/5.  This aerial pic is clearer.  It appears there's a white vehicle at 15118?  Maybe Brandi can help out here and enlarge pic? Do we know when taken?  Also, how far is this from the school?  It's interesting that they are searching homes near the school and especially interested in homes that have pickups.  I also noticed that report says some homes searched 3 times.

Wkys, IIRC back in the last thread that was Tanner's aunt that moved to AZ and his dad said he hadn't talked to her in a while before she left.

I was thinking yesterday when reading the motion for contempt of court...you know Terri has to be really stupid sending sex pics when she knows that LE has had her phone records. Surely she knew they were still monitoring her phone.

Yes

It's listed on his facebook
http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=100000645197805&ref=ts

Did anyone notice that Becky Owens has red hair?

The aunt?  Ok, thanks!  Sure am hoping that LE checks this angle out fully.  Cuz it was said by someone earlier on that a woman had moved to AZ, leaving the day of or day after he went missing.  Would love to know if not the aunt, was it someone else, or just sloppy reporting, or.......??  lol 

I'm trying to catch up and research becky owens but no time yet... but does anyone have a photo of her.  I need to have someone look at her... thanks... I'll try to research her tomorrow, I am falling asleep ugh

Her name was Ann Pumala...said she was the sister of I think his name was Brian Pumala. His wife lives with her mother near Kyron.

On her myspace it says they live in Hillsboro. Is that far from this area?

Thanks Darla!!   ::dogwag::

Wkys, IIRC back in the last thread that was Tanner's aunt that moved to AZ and his dad said he hadn't talked to her in a while before she left.

I was thinking yesterday when reading the motion for contempt of court...you know Terri has to be really stupid sending sex pics when she knows that LE has had her phone records. Surely she knew they were still monitoring her phone.

Hillsboro is where Michael Cook works.  And in/near the area that Terri's bank cards were used in one or both stores that morning. 

Hillsboro is where Michael Cook works.  And in/near the area that Terri's bank cards were used in one or both stores that morning. 

Goodnight All!  Let's hope tomorrow brings us closer to finding Kyron! ::MonkeyAngel::

Am doing catch up reading in the psychic forum.. And a local reported this, early yesterday (Tuesday):

"Hmmmm 2 Columbia County Sherriffs and an FBI vehicle just went by my property. Headed towards the northwest side of Sauvie Island."

Another local confirmed having seen these as well.  Haven't read more info on that yet, but will relay if more is given. 

yes it is surly something. Do we know who his girlfriend is?

Wyks,

I was reading one of the psychic forums this evening.  Some very interesting infomation from Sauvie Island residents, but I'm not sure I put a lot of faith in the psychic's thoughts and it was so upsetting I had to leave.  I did learn a lot about where they had been searching -- and it appears the local LE is on the ball and following up on the tips they are receiving.

Wyks,

I was reading one of the psychic forums this evening.  Some very interesting infomation from Sauvie Island residents, but I'm not sure I put a lot of faith in the psychic's thoughts and it was so upsetting I had to leave.  I did learn a lot about where they had been searching -- and it appears the local LE is on the ball and following up on the tips they are receiving.

Where are the psychic forums??

This is the main one I read at:

http://missingpersons.phpbb3now.com/ (http://missingpersons.phpbb3now.com/)

Well who knows what anyone takes seriously.  Guess we can only look at their actions and words.  He gave the "Hail Satan" greeting on his facebook (and then deleted that when a few of us researching starting hitting his page).  His myspace is rather indicative of his interests.  IMO.  Dunno when/how he crossed paths with Terri.  Kurtis has gone on outings with the Horman family, and in the same class.  They could have crossed paths at any point. 

I'm a little freaked out about Kim Holm's address in relation to Jim Kelley's place and the sighting of the white truck.  Isn't anyone else freaking?

AV's gf??  Breanna Pulliam.  She's pregnant again, due in Sept.

http://www.facebook.com/breanna.pulliam (http://www.facebook.com/breanna.pulliam)

Does anyone recall something being said in the beginning about a "Cat" being lost?
Possibly on TH's facebook account or?
The cat that the Horman's owned did not appear to be lost if in fact Kyron was seen feeding it by KH right?

Just wanted to say thanks for having me here!  I have been lurking for weeks now and have to say, you guys are way better than my local news when it comes to having the most up-to-date information on this case!  I haven't even bothered turning on the TV for news on Kyron lately because I found that typically I read it here hours before I see it on TV.  So I just wanted to say thanks to all of you!

I haven't ever followed a case as closely as I have with this one.  My Grandmother called me one day and asked if I heard about the case because she said Kyron looked just like my seven year old son.  This was about 5 days after he went missing.  I didn't think much about it, but then I decided to google it just to see if there really was a similarity in their looks.  Turns out, they do look a little bit like one another.  My son also has a crew cut and glasses due to horrible eyesight.  From that point on, I have been hooked.  Kyron has almost become like family to me as I know he has to all of you as well.

So again, just wanted to thank you all for allowing me to join such a great group of intelligent and respectful people.

Hoping Kyron comes home soon.

I'm a little freaked out about Kim Holm's address in relation to Jim Kelley's place and the sighting of the white truck.  Isn't anyone else freaking?

http://missingpersons.phpbb3now.com/ (http://missingpersons.phpbb3now.com/)

A fisherwoman sighted a white pickup truck rolling something into the river just north of the SI (Sauvie Island) bridge the morning Kyron went missing and that tip was called into tipline although we don't know what sort of follow up they have done

Info given to the psychics by a local, when it was realized that one of the psychics has sensed a container moving in the water, which could have worked itself loose or something, and is now floating in the current.  They were trying to alert the tipline and the River Patrol tonight, and figure out a way to report this without saying the word 'psychic', so LE might actually take the tipster seriously.  Sigh. 

Guess it's something to keep in mind, just in case. 

Oh, no!  Monkeys, I have to tell you this.  I can't remember if I posted this image here or not.  I think I did.  However, I just followed thelink posted by Wyks.  I found an entry where someone was talking about a clear plastic container with a blue lid.  Well, I got chills, because I have been seeing a similar image but solid blue.

(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y93/casscat/2244-2-large.jpg)

Klaas, I'm still catching up but I'm freaking too.  This really looks like something that should definitely be checked out!!!!!

Oh my we have icons -  ::MonkeyCool::

News articles of late
http://www.komonews.com/news/local/98374269.html

Missing Ore. boy's stepmother seeks payout from husband
snipped:
PORTLAND, Ore. - In the ongoing saga surrounding the disappearance of 7-year-old Kyron Horman, the boy's stepmother is now seeking money from her estranged husband, Kaine Horman.

Terri Horman made the request on Tuesday afternoon as attorneys for both parties appeared before a judge. She has not specified an amount, but said she wants the payout before she agrees to move out of the family home.

Kaine Horman's attorney, Laura Rackner, said her client is not willing to hand over money to his wife. "He would like some cooperation from her first," she said. "He would like to know where his son is."

Terri Horman's attorney, Stephen Houze, did not give any information to the media on Tuesday, adding it would be unethical to comment on any aspects of his client's case

Investigators have remained tight-lipped about the case. Family members said they are confident that law enforcement is doing everything they can to help bring Kyron Horman home.
------
Video of interest: from the Today Show NBC -

http://www.hulu.com/embed/OY37iVzsf6XX_eCkAQe2Rw


--
I am thinking that since Kaine filed for Divorce all assets are frozen -
Terri is without funds
No money, no cash, nor credit, nor access to any. Even with all " Unsaid" I have to agree with Kaine, Tell me anything, tell me something, Please tell me Where Kyron is, Or what you know if anything. Accident? Injury? Malice? What is it ? Please talk to someone and tell them something - Kyron needs to be found. Get over yourself. This is not about You. This is about Kyron.
I have to wonder where Terri's alliances are? If any? She has to know that she is at risk of losing custody of Kiara forever .. isn't that enough? Does she think what Kiara is to be left with for a lifetime? Knowing her own Mother didn't step up for either her or Kyron. I don't understand, nor will understand what would keep a mother/woman silent this long. 
 ::MonkeyNoNo:: 

She could make a 'Canoodling" Flick. ::MonkeyRoll::  People would pay money to see her.

Yeah, I get that, but dayum, mom didn't do such a good job raising junior, imo.  Maybe that's why she's overprotective of Kurtis. 

Whats wrong with his page?  I am not able to view.....

AV's gf??  Breanna Pulliam.  She's pregnant again, due in Sept.

http://www.facebook.com/breanna.pulliam (http://www.facebook.com/breanna.pulliam)

Whats wrong with his page?  I am not able to view.....

He says he worships Satan.   ::MonkeyEek::

I saw all that which leaves me again with two interpretations. One he is young and is doing all this for attention, and the other is he is really into this. If he is into this, where does that go? What I'm asking, because I've never known anyone who worships Satan, what is a person like this capable of? Do they just worship, do they do rituals?

I know nothing at all about satan worshipping.  I'm not sure what kind of person has a picture up that says, "F*** the skull of Jesus".   ::MonkeyShocked::  It hurts for me to even type that.  Maybe it is attention seeking, I don't know. 

OMG!!  The warning signs were there. ::MonkeyTears::

He may have turned towards satan also because he thought God took his dad.

A true satanic worshipper does sacrificing. We have a group that is local, LE has not been able to prove it but everyone else has. The sacrifices that have been done go all the way from a blood brother type of thing, a virgin having sex on the alter with a chosen leader, and have been animal sacrifices. Not sure if it has gone any farther. Rumor has it that it has gone farther, but here again no proof. We have one road that no one will travel down at night if they have any sense. Don't know if these people would harm someone but they have stood out in the middle of the road at night (several of them in a line) trying to make people stop. I think someone on here has more specific and first hand knowledge but will not give their name. They are not into the practice but have first hand experience. If they want to elaborate they will.
When I worked at the library we had a lot of kids that dabbled in it, here again not sure how serious they were.

http://missingpersons.phpbb3now.com/ (http://missingpersons.phpbb3now.com/)

A fisherwoman sighted a white pickup truck rolling something into the river just north of the SI (Sauvie Island) bridge the morning Kyron went missing and that tip was called into tipline although we don't know what sort of follow up they have done

Info given to the psychics by a local, when it was realized that one of the psychics has sensed a container moving in the water, which could have worked itself loose or something, and is now floating in the current.  They were trying to alert the tipline and the River Patrol tonight, and figure out a way to report this without saying the word 'psychic', so LE might actually take the tipster seriously.  Sigh. 

Guess it's something to keep in mind, just in case. 

Kain places Terri at home from 2:00 PM until 3:30 PM on the afternoon of the day that Kyron went missing.  This would imply that it was not Terri who was observed in the white pickup at 3:00 PM by Mr. Kelley.

Janet

+++++


Kyron's Parents Field Questions By E-mail
POSTED: 9:56 pm PDT July 5, 2010
UPDATED: 6:26 am PDT July 6, 2010

A: KAINE – I was in the office that day until about 1:45 and arrived back home a little after 2pm. Terri was already in the house, on her laptop, when I arrived. I kissed Kiara, grabbed some food, and worked from my home office until about 3:30 at which time I put shoes on Kiara and we started walking down toward the bus stop.


Day 3: FBI calls in criminal profiler in search for missing Skyline boy; interviews with students and parents begin
Published: Sunday, June 06, 2010, 2:14 PM
Updated: Friday, June 18, 2010, 5:01 PM

1:29 p.m. -- Neighbors stop by Brooks Hill Historic church, across the street from the school, to mull over the investigation. "This kind of thing is unheard of," says Jim Kelley, 50.

Kelley, who lives about a mile and a half down hill, at the end of a winding, secluded country lane off Cornelius Pass, said police, federal agents, K-9 teams and helicopters scoured the area Saturday.

"We had two odd sightings of a vehicle on our road Friday," Kelley said. Around 3 p.m, he and a neighbor reported seeing a white pick-up truck with a female driver pull to the end of the long road, idle and then turn around. Then again at 2 a.m. Saturday morning, a similar white pickup truck appeared, idled and when a neighbor loosed her dogs, eased away.

"A, it was strange to have a car there, any car there, that we didn't know, and B, it was strange to have a vehicle come down our dead-end road twice in the same day, hours after a little boy goes missing," said Kelley. "That's beyond rare."

Kelley said authorities have twice searched the deep ravine, creek and railroad tracks located near the end of his street by air and on foot.

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/day_three_search_continues_hun

Avery Villarreal (Satan's Spawn)
http://www.myspace.com/496471897

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/AveryVillarreal.jpg)

Avery is Kurtis's older brother.  Kurtis went bowling with the Horman's a couple days before Kyron went missing and Kurtis was at the science fair that morning:

Kurtis

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/KurtisHolm.jpg)

Is it at all possible that Kyron would feel comfortable and leave the school with this 22 year old Satan worshiper?

Searchers Return To Area Near Skyline School
POSTED: 4:17 pm PDT July 13, 2010
UPDATED: 6:52 pm PDT July 13, 2010

PORTLAND, Ore. -- Searchers returned to the area where a second-grade boy vanished from his northwest Portland school, neighbors said Tuesday.

The massive effort to find Kyron Horman was called off last month, but since then, Multnomah County crews have been spotted near the Horman family's home and around Sauvie Island.

Over the past 10 days, detectives have scoured previously-searched properties near Skyline Elementary School, neighbors said. They said the investigators appeared to focus on people who own pickup trucks.

One man, who wished to be identified only as Roger, said investigators came to his home within the past week on a tip.

"A big SUV showed up with a couple of people in it; they wanted to know if I was this certain family," he said. "They had a tip why they wanted to talk to this family. That's all they told me."

Roger said he was surprised to see searchers again because he was told they wouldn't be back.

Other people living in the area said their homes and properties have been searched as many as three times.

Hundreds of people joined in the search effort immediately following Kyron's June 4 disappearance. Deputies haven't named any suspects or persons of interest in the ongoing criminal investigation.

http://www.kptv.com/news/24248542/detail.html


+++++++


THE MORNING OF JUNE 4, 2010

Sources: Search for Kyron Horman Focuses on Step-Mom, Cell Records
4:52 PM June 17th, 2010

THE CELL PHONE RECORD

The island is more than five miles from rural Skyline Elementary School, where Horman was reported missing June 4. But rescuers on horseback, on foot and in dive teams have repeatedly scoured the island beginning around June 10 and continuing this week — even after Multnomah County Sheriff Dan Staton called off other major search operations last Sunday.

WW has learned that federal, county and city law-enforcement officials say the reason for the search of Sauvie Island is that cell-phone records reveal Kyron’s step-mother, Terri Moulton Horman, may have been on the island the day he disappeared.

http://blogs.wweek.com/news/2010/06/17/sources-search-for-kyron-horman-focuses-on-step-mom-cell-records/

I'm not sure who posted it but someone said that Cat V had died due to a car crash. He died from a motorcycle crash. According to the article I read the cause of the crash was under investigation. I wonder if the investigation has been finalized?

If Terri Horman was on Sauvie Island on the day that Kyron went missing and ... failed to reveal this in her statement to investigators in regards to her whereabouts ... inquiring minds want to know "WHY?"

Janet

Although he could be a real Satanist I looked at his site and there are no actual friends under his friends list.  They are all death metal bands.  Everyone of them is.  I'm beginning to think he might just be a poser who is really into music.  His gf describes their life, baby girl and dog like it's the most normal and wonderfully average thing to ever be.  I dunno, might be rosey from the outside cause you neva, eva know when someone has a dark, secret, sicko side/life.

Oh, no!  Monkeys, I have to tell you this.  I can't remember if I posted this image here or not.  I think I did.  However, I just followed thelink posted by Wyks.  I found an entry where someone was talking about a clear plastic container with a blue lid.  Well, I got chills, because I have been seeing a similar image but solid blue.

(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y93/casscat/2244-2-large.jpg)

not sure if this was posted already,

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/07/kyron_hormans_mother_desiree_y_1.html

She described "red flags," such as Kyron's increasing unhappiness with returning to his father and stepmother's Portland home after visiting his mother.

"He wanted to come live with us," she said. "Several times he would just break down and sob because he wanted to stay."

She said she's guilt-stricken that she wasn't there to protect him and that she missed the science fair – the last time anyone saw the Skyline second-grader.

Was that container still on the porch when that reporter went to talk with Terri?  I guess it probably was, 'cause surely someone would have noticed it not there .  Or, maybe she moved it off the porch earlier, just planning in advance.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

 ::MonkeyEek:: 

 ::MonkeyTears::  ::MonkeyTears::

 ::MonkeyMad::

And before I say anything want to make it clear I'm not bashing Desiree. But if this is the situation, did you press Kyron more for info, do you know why he would cry and not want to go home? Was there an effort underway for Kyron to spend more time with Desiree? This is confusing for me, I've never been in this situation, but I know one thing, I would have fought for Kyron to stay with me, or at least be able to spend more time with me.  What a shame.

Hmmmm... Very interesting comments at this news site re Michael Cook.  This sounds like a legit poster, not one of the run-of-mill-whackos we've seen at another news site comment section.  At first reluctant to say more, did stay in there long enough to answer some questions from other posters. 


Mongoose101Abn:
 Michael Cook has a history of womanizing, affairs and addictions which ended his own marriage.Unfortunately this new development will affect his own young son from that marriage.He has already severely traumatized his son by taking him to the Horman house shortly after Kyron disappeared. While he was there he allowed his son to play with Kyron's toys and repeatedly told him that Kyron was going to return soon.

He will say or do anything to make himself look good including lying about having relations with Terri Horman. In short Michael Cook's word is not to be trusted under any circumstances.

It is becoming more and more apparent that there is a great deal going on here and much of it is unsavory at best and downright illegal at worst.

--------------

Mongoose101Abn
 I've known Michael and his ex-wife for several years, since prior to their marriage. I have watched their whole story unfold and seen the damage done to people who didn't deserve any of it happening.

I can only hope and pray that the Horman family has their son returned to them safe and sound. Beyond what I have already posted, I will have no further comment on Michael and Terri's alleged relationship or Michael's personal issues. I only pointed it out because I don't want people thinking he is completely blameless or somehow a victim in the investigator's need to find the guilty party or parties. And I want people to realize that there is more than one child at risk of harm in all of this sordid mess.

'''''''''''''''''

Mongoose101Abn
I do not know the Hormans,either of them. I don't have any information that would lead me to believe Michael would be involved in something like the disappearance of Kyron. While he has shown less than stellar judgment where his son was concerned in this matter, I don't believe Michael would knowingly hurt a child. His interest would be more inclined to be involved with the woman. His past history does cast some doubt on his claim that he did not have sex with her, but I will give him the benefit of the doubt since there apparently has not been any hard evidence presented to prove otherwise.

'''''''''''''''''''''''''

Mongoose101Abn
Given my personal knowledge of Michael Cook's character and lifestyle, I would say it is a reasonable assumption that he is involved with Terri Horman in some manner beyond friendly support.

'''''''''''''''''''''''

Mongoose101Abn
I am sure that Michael's son is in good hands.He will be well cared for and protected by his mother's family. He is a bright and happy young man and will continue to be given whatever he needs to help him through this difficult time. I am sure that everyone involved with Michael's son, Michael included, appreciates your well-wishes for the boy.

'''''''''''''''''''''

http://world-news.newsvine.com/_news/2010/07/12/4663773-court-doc-kaine-wants-terri-horman-held-in-contempt-accused-of-sexual-affair (http://world-news.newsvine.com/_news/2010/07/12/4663773-court-doc-kaine-wants-terri-horman-held-in-contempt-accused-of-sexual-affair)

Hindsight is 20/20.  How could Desiree possibly have known Kyron's reaction was anything beyond that of a child sad to leave his mom if he didn't give any specific reasons otherwise.  Unfortunately, there are probably millions of children who go through the same thing when they visit the parent with whom they don't regularly reside.

I can only say lets hope he is an attention seeker  ::MonkeyEek:: Would like to know more about this guy.

I guess anything is possible. But if that is what he did, I would think Kyron would be found by now. But around that school and area, there sure is a lot to search.

And before I say anything want to make it clear I'm not bashing Desiree. But if this is the situation, did you press Kyron more for info, do you know why he would cry and not want to go home? Was there an effort underway for Kyron to spend more time with Desiree? This is confusing for me, I've never been in this situation, but I know one thing, I would have fought for Kyron to stay with me, or at least be able to spend more time with me.  What a shame.

And before I say anything want to make it clear I'm not bashing Desiree. But if this is the situation, did you press Kyron more for info, do you know why he would cry and not want to go home? Was there an effort underway for Kyron to spend more time with Desiree? This is confusing for me, I've never been in this situation, but I know one thing, I would have fought for Kyron to stay with me, or at least be able to spend more time with me.  What a shame.

Oh, no!  Monkeys, I have to tell you this.  I can't remember if I posted this image here or not.  I think I did.  However, I just followed thelink posted by Wyks.  I found an entry where someone was talking about a clear plastic container with a blue lid.  Well, I got chills, because I have been seeing a similar image but solid blue.

(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y93/casscat/2244-2-large.jpg)

This is archived PDF format and for some reason I cannot open it.
It apparently contains information regarding AV. (Not sure what it is about since I cannot read it.)

http://www.skylineridgeneighbors.org/2009Newsline/2009-10-15%20Newsline.pdf

This is archived PDF format and for some reason I cannot open it.
It apparently contains information regarding AV. (Not sure what it is about since I cannot read it.)

http://www.skylineridgeneighbors.org/2009Newsline/2009-10-15%20Newsline.pdf

The story dates to 2000, when Desiree married Kaine Horman. The couple's relationship quickly soured, however, and they planned to separate, but then Desiree got pregnant. So, they gave it another shot. But in August 2002, when Desiree was eight months pregnant, she filed for divorce, citing irreconcilable differences.

Kyron was born Sept. 9, 2002, and Kaine and Desiree were officially divorced in 2003. Kaine and Desiree shared custody, but Kyron mostly lived with Desiree until 2004, when she went to Canada after suffering kidney failure.

Kyron moved in full time with his dad, now 36, an engineer at Intel. With a demanding job at the company's Jones Farm campus in Hillsboro, where he works in the architecture group, Kaine needed child care. So, Desiree's friend Terri moved in to help.

"Someone had to watch the baby," said Amanda Howards, the former wife of Kaine's brother Kristian. "Terri was her friend. She moved in just to help with the baby."

Terri brought her son, James, now 16, from her first marriage.

Two months after leaving for Canada, Desiree returned to the United States with $30,000 in medical bills. To get back on her feet, she moved in with her family in Medford, who helped support her.

Desiree never tried to regain custody of Kyron, though she has maintained a close relationship with her son, caring for him every weekend or so with her new husband, Medford police Detective Tony Young.

After Desiree returned to Oregon, Terri and Kaine stayed under the same roof while he worked at Intel and she cared for the kids. What started as a caregiving relationship blossomed.

In April 2007, they got married. Looking buff in their bathing suits, they said their vows in a small ceremony on a shimmering beach in Kauai, the Garden Isle of Hawaii.

Terri's wide smile and glimmering eyes shine with happiness in a photo posted on her Facebook page.

On Mother's Day that year, Kaine gave his new bride a 2007 candy apple red Ford Mustang GT.

"Something shiny for the driveway," she wrote under the picture on her Facebook page. "Yes, Kaine is all that and a bag of chips!"

She adorned it with her vanity license plate RDSQRL, which is short for Red Squirrel, a nickname that reflects her long, thick mane of red hair.

More than a year after they were married, on Dec. 8, 2008, Kaine and Terri had a baby girl, Kiara.

Her name reflects a family tradition of Kaine's biological father, Kurtis Mengel, who has a twin sister, Kari Mengel Hoagland. Mengel and his wife, Kristi, named their sons Kaine and Kristian, now 32.

According to friends and family, the Hormans are a tight-knit, loving family that enjoys doing things together.

They play board games, go bowling with friends and take trips. In 2009, they visited Walt Disney World in Orlando, Fla. Late last year they went to the Roloff Farm in Helvetia where the reality TV show "Little People, Big World" is filmed. And recently, they peered at the animals at the Oregon Zoo.

Terri volunteered at Skyline School, where Kyron was in second grade, and she took him to swimming lessons with James and with Kiara.

"They're very nice people," said Adam Farber, who runs a swimming school and taught Kyron to swim and worked on strokes with James. Farber had no idea until he went missing that Kyron was Terri's stepchild. "They all fit in really well."

Marriage, parenthood

Terri was born March 14, 1970 and grew up in Roseburg, the daughter of two teachers, Carol and Larry Moulton. She graduated from Roseburg High School in 1988 and went to Umpqua Community College, where she met her first husband, Ron Tarver. They married in 1991 in Roseburg.

Their son, James Logan, was born Jan. 26, 1994.

The couple divorced in 1995 but tangled in court in 1999 over Tarver's failure to pay child support.

Court documents indicate that he did not pay child support between 1996 and 1998.

By that time, though, she had moved on. In 1996, she married Richard Ecker in Springfield. He adopted James two years later. Ecker, who now lives in the Portland area, continues to pay more than $500 in monthly child support for James, though he's not seen him in six or seven years.

"He's still my legal son," Ecker said.

During their marriage, Terri earned a bachelor's degree from Northwest Christian University in Eugene in 2000, according to her Facebook page.

The couple relocated to Beaverton in 2001 and separated that year, and their divorce became final in 2002.

Terri looked for work.

Between March 2001 and June 2002, she was a substitute teacher in the Hillsboro School District. According to spokesman Beth Graser, Terri held long-term jobs at Eastwood, Mooberry and Lenox elementaries.

After moving in with Kaine, Terri went onto the on-call substitute teachers list between 2003 and 2006. Graser said Terri held no more long-term jobs with the district.

"She stopped teaching and subbing so she could be with Kyron during his preschool and toddler years," said Jaymie Finster, a friend from junior high school who worked with Terri in the school district.

But Terri did hit the books. In about 2004, she earned a master's in education from Pacific University in Forest Grove.

On her Facebook page, she says her dream job would be superintendent of a school district.

She also loves playing video games such as "World of Warcraft" and is an exercise buff, regularly going to the gym. In 2005 she placed fourth in the over-35 category for women in the Emerald Cup of bodybuilding.

That same year, she was snagged on Interstate 5 in Marion County for drunken driving. James, who was 11, was in the car. With a blood-alcohol level of 0.15 percent, she was charged with DUII and reckless child endangerment. Terri pleaded guilty and took a diversion course.

She has had no other violations.

Family and friends say she is a focused mom.

"She's a pretty attentive mom," said Tarver, her first husband.

Her second spouse, Richard Ecker, has kind words to say about her as well: "She was always a gifted teacher. She did as much for the school and the kids as she could."

He couldn't imagine his ex-wife doing anything to harm a child.

"She would never hurt a child," he said. "She's not wired that way."

Focus on the kids

Terri was thrilled when Kiara was born in December 2008. Tarver said she had always wanted a girl. Terri's enthusiasm spilled onto her Facebook page, which has dozens of photos of the cherub-faced carrot-topped girl with blue eyes. She also flooded Tarver and other acquaintances with photos and e-mail updates of the baby's progress.

He thought that was unusual because he wasn't close to her family.

Mainly, their relationship has consisted of exchanging kids. Once a month, they would converge at Shari's Restaurant in Springfield and do a swap, with James staying with Tarver and his new wife, and Kyron going with Desiree and her husband.

They no longer do that swap with Tarver. Since March, James has lived in Roseburg, first with his grandparents and now with Tarver.

It's not clear why he was sent away.

But the parents' relationships have been cordial, said Terri's mom, Carol Moulton.

She's been in Portland, trying to comfort Terri and Kaine. "It's a tough deal," said Larry Moulton, Terri's father, who's still in Roseburg. "There's a lot of grilling. There's a lot of pressure."

Kaine's adoptive dad, R. Neil Horman, says Kyron's disappearance has been a strain on the parents.

"The loss of a child like this is devastating," he said.
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/kyron_hormans_blended_family_f.html
-- Lynne Terry

I never thought I would be an advocate for Terri and Kaine but ...

Desiree was the non-custodian parent.  In Kyron's eyes time spent at his mother's home with was something akin to a holiday.  Terri and Kaine cared for Kyron the lion's share of the time where there were the good times for but there were also the expectations and ... the discipline ... everything seven year old little boys hate.

It would be appreciated if one of our Monkey researchers would access the restraining order regarding custody that Desiree filed against Kaine at the time of their divorce?

I would also be appreciated if one of our Monkey researchers would access the records regarding the ruling that granted Kaine custody of Kyron?

It appears that WW was able to access these documents.

The following article implies that Desiree had custody of Kyron at the time of the divorce.  I could comprehend Kaine receiving temporary custody in regards to Desiree's health issues but ... somewhere along the way Kaine was able to gain full custody.  WHY?  HOW?

Janet

+++++++


Troubled Family
What records show about Kyron Horman’s stepmom, dad and other relatives.
June 23rd, 2010

In the nearly three weeks since Kyron Horman disappeared, law enforcement officials, reporters and thousands of online commenters have focused their attention on the 7-year-old boy’s fractured family.

The Sunday Oregonian devoted its front page June 20 to a story detailing relations between the boy’s biological mother and stepfather, who live in Medford, and his father and stepmom, who lived with Kyron in Portland. The headline called them a “close, supportive group.”

But a WW review of dozens of court documents paints a very different portrait. These documents reveal a family that has at times been divided by rocky divorce, suspicion and—in the case of one uncle—sex abuse.

This side of the family’s history takes on new emphasis as the investigation into the boy’s June 4 disappearance from Skyline Elementary School drags on. As first reported June 17 on wweek.com, sources in law enforcement say investigators are increasingly focusing on the stepmom’s whereabouts the day Kyron vanished. She’s the last person known to have seen the boy.

When he disappeared, Kyron was living with his father, Kaine Horman, and stepmom, Terri Moulton Horman, at their $292,000 home off secluded Northwest Sheltered Nook Road. Kaine Horman is an Intel engineer who made $90,000 back in 2002, according to court records.

Terri Moulton Horman is a former bodybuilder and ex-teacher who last worked for the Hillsboro School District, state records show. The Oregonian reports she gave birth to Kaine Horman’s daughter, Kiara, in December 2008.

Kaine Horman had been married once before, to Kyron’s biological mother, who now goes by the name Desiree Young. Washington County Circuit Court records show Young was pregnant with Kyron, the couple’s only child, when she filed for divorce from Kaine in August 2002. She cited irreconcilable differences.

What hasn’t been made public is the fact that, a month after filing for divorce, Young sought a restraining order against Kaine Horman, Kyron’s dad.

At the time, she had a 7-year-old son from a previous marriage. In court documents, Young said she feared Kaine Horman would “remove our children from their residence.” It’s unclear whether the couple was living together at the time. Washington County Circuit Judge Donald Letourneau granted Young’s request, forbidding either her or Kaine Horman from taking the children without the other’s consent.

http://wweek.com/editorial/3633/14183/

I'm a little freaked out about Kim Holm's address in relation to Jim Kelley's place and the sighting of the white truck.  Isn't anyone else freaking?

It was so easy for Desiree and her hubby to be the good parents in Kyron's seven year old eyes when his contact consisted of once a month visits.

Janet

++++++


Kyron Horman's blended family: Friends describe a close, supportive group
Published: Saturday, June 19, 2010, 5:36 PM
Updated: Saturday, June 19, 2010, 6:46 PM

Mainly, their relationship has consisted of exchanging kids. Once a  month, they would converge at Shari's Restaurant in Springfield and do a swap, with James staying with Tarver and his new wife, and Kyron going with Desiree and her husband.

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/kyron_hormans_blended_family_f.html

Thanks Klaas. I also found another Cat Villareal's obituary notice out of Texas. Might be related? (The middle name and age are different.)

Klaas, in case you don;t know, the bus that Kyron rides on to & from school has a stop right in front of her house.

Side note: She's one person I investigated online to see if there was any dirt, something related to rumors about an affair with Kaine & her. Since now her pictures & her boys' info is out there, I thought I should mention it. I didn;t see anything terribly horrible but maybe I missed something. Seems as though the family has been through hell & are still trying to cope, from things I've read & seen via pics. If I find anything bad, I'll send it to you & you can post it if you wish. It appears as though her children are suffering terribly, so I was trying to keep that in mind. Klaas, from what I've found, Kim has a whole lot to lose if she were involved. I don't think she is. She seems great. I could be wrong...

To be more clear, the rumors that surfaced 3 weeks ago were Phyllis that looks like a man & Kim. That's how the names were presented in comments on several news sites so that's how I'm repeating it. Side note: The Phyllis that I think it "could" be is pretty, which is probably why the jealousy shows through in the comments about "Phil" - they say Phyllis used to be a man & decidedly refer to them as Phil.

Maybe related but I don't think we have any interest in a different one in Tx, do you? 

Am sure hoping so too, Janet!  IIRC, didn't Tanner's stepmother leave/move to Arizona, the day Kyron went missing or shortly thereafter? 

Snipped from the above article.

Desiree never tried to regain custody of Kyron, though she has maintained a close relationship with her son, caring for him every weekend or so with her new husband, Medford police Detective Tony Young.


Mainly, their relationship has consisted of exchanging kids. Once a month, they would converge at Shari's Restaurant in Springfield and do a swap, with James staying with Tarver and his new wife, and Kyron going with Desiree and her husband.

So which is it, once per month or every weekend or so? Considering Mom lifed 4 hours away, my guess is it is not every weekend.

Why did Desiree never fight for custody of Kyron, especially when Kyron was asking her if he could live with them? She was married, she had a job, her husband had a good job...I need to know what the reason for his is. Yes, I need to know because I want to know if I should be pissed off at this woman or feel she was a victim. I am not going to assume anything.

another thing, why didn't Kaine see the signs in his son that he was not happy at home? Did Kyron ever tell him he wasn't happy? He was a shy and timid child, is that because of abuse in the home?

No I don't. I just happened across that person's obit and thought to mention it in case, for any reason, possible family members might become of interest.

Do you have a link to it?

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Terri-Horman-Is-No-Longer-Welcome-To-Do-Business-In-Our-Community/109495819102889?ref=search

Amen Northern Rose! This is about Kyron.  BTW I like your old doggie pic. I have a dear friend/soulmom in AZ. she has the same kind of dog. I don't know why all of this is coming out now when everyone was quiet in the beginning. Maybe they were in shock and couldn't believe Terri could do such a thing. I am not going to judge Desiree because that is not my place. Hindsight is 20/20 and I am sure she is beating herself up already for this.  But Terri has put herself out there with the sexting issue, seems like life goes on for her without any mention or help as to where Kyron may be.  Pulling for you Kyron. ::FlyingFrog::

The more I see/read, the more I look at TH as another "Melissa Huckaby"/Sandra Cantu case. I dunno......perhaps it's just me and I am not getting the whole picture. This case has been hard to follow.

Snipped from the above article.

Desiree never tried to regain custody of Kyron, though she has maintained a close relationship with her son, caring for him every weekend or so with her new husband, Medford police Detective Tony Young.


Mainly, their relationship has consisted of exchanging kids. Once a month, they would converge at Shari's Restaurant in Springfield and do a swap, with James staying with Tarver and his new wife, and Kyron going with Desiree and her husband.

So which is it, once per month or every weekend or so? Considering Mom lifed 4 hours away, my guess is it is not every weekend.

Why did Desiree never fight for custody of Kyron, especially when Kyron was asking her if he could live with them? She was married, she had a job, her husband had a good job...I need to know what the reason for his is. Yes, I need to know because I want to know if I should be pissed off at this woman or feel she was a victim. I am not going to assume anything.

another thing, why didn't Kaine see the signs in his son that he was not happy at home? Did Kyron ever tell him he wasn't happy? He was a shy and timid child, is that because of abuse in the home?

I'm not going to assume anything either, and you have posed very reasonable questions. I don't understand, what was Kyron upset about inside the home?

Hindsight is 20/20. Just wondering what all Kyron may have said to Desiree is all.

I find it curious that they are publishing the cost of the investigation, just like I found it odd when the police chief mentioned costs in the press conference.  I realize everyone is working on a tight budget and money might be an issue.

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/KyronCostInvestigation.jpg)

http://www.koinlocal6.com/media/lib/107/1/9/9/199c78c8-7ead-4068-9742-1ed4f0571aa5/Kyron_search_costs.pdf

That is how I see TH as well Nut. 

Thank-you, I was afraid to comment, but frankly she has not been named a suspect and imo this is really not appropriate, but that is how I feel.

I find it curious that they are publishing the cost of the investigation, just like I found it odd when the police chief mentioned costs in the press conference.  I realize everyone is working on a tight budget and money might be an issue.

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/KyronCostInvestigation.jpg)

http://www.koinlocal6.com/media/lib/107/1/9/9/199c78c8-7ead-4068-9742-1ed4f0571aa5/Kyron_search_costs.pdf

Just as cost seemed to be an issue for ground maintenance at Skyline, creating a hazardous and dangerous environment for kids, IMO.

One would think with some high-paying IT companies in the area, this would not be such an issue.

JMO.

If a child is crying to a parent begging to stay with them to not be sent back to his other home, how else should a 7 year old child communicate their unhappiness? Perhaps there is a reason that is acceptable but lack of money, lack of job, lack of health is not one because it doesn't seem those issues apply at this point. So what was it?
If the reason was she didn't want to uproot him? He didn't want to stay at his dads and Terri's home! He wanted his mother and that in itself should have been reason to at least fight for custody. I have not found she did that? Can anyone produce a document that shows a custody fight? She sent him back. Why? That is what I want to know, why didn't she have that mothers instinct when her son was crying to her, begging to stay?

While we were "down" I made this. I absolutely love the look of childhood pure joy on Kyron's face in this one.

(In the original, he is holding a very long water gun.)

Brandi

While so sad to think Kyron is out there somewhere, this is so adorable.

TYSM.

OS

Sorry about the downtime- looks like they are working on stuff today (didn't tell me) ::MonkeyNoNo::

Both JVM and NG say they will be talking about Kyron tonite.

OS

What?!?!

Mel Gibson is not breaking news tonight?

<snark>

They will both find plenty of time to squeeze Mel into the conversation.

Sometimes when a child goes to visit the non custodial parent it's like a mini vacation.  The child doesn't have the normal restrictions (bed time, snacks, etc) that they do at home.  Kid's don't want to be told no and therefore may not want to go back to where there are more RULES. 

I'm not defending Kaine, Terri, Desiree or Tony, I'm simply saying that kids can be very dramatic when then want to pit one parent against the other. 

Both JVM and NG say they will be talking about Kyron tonite.

OS

edit

Hindsight is 20/20. Just wondering what all Kyron may have said to Desiree is all.

Hello Monkeys. I am new to this site as far as posting, but have been reading your insights for some time now (before Kyron). You seem like a highly intelligent and sensitive group of people. This also seems like a safe board for exploration.

You are right about hindsight.  In this case with new little sister coming into the household, it is easy to understand why Kyron might have been feeling a little unwanted by his father and SM.  Desiree, on the other hand, had something many non-custodial parent do not -- a working relationship with her ex and her child's primary caregiver.  She seemed to believe that Kyron was safe within his dad's household, either that, or she had gotten so comfortable in her part time mom role, that she was not willing to take Kaine back to court to try to get the custody situation reversed.

I feel sorry for Desiree -- the dread of not ever being able to say that final goodbye and "I love you" to your own child sends chills down my spine. Crying or Very sad

I find it curious that they are publishing the cost of the investigation, just like I found it odd when the police chief mentioned costs in the press conference.  I realize everyone is working on a tight budget and money might be an issue.

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/KyronCostInvestigation.jpg)

http://www.koinlocal6.com/media/lib/107/1/9/9/199c78c8-7ead-4068-9742-1ed4f0571aa5/Kyron_search_costs.pdf

Snipped from the above article.

Desiree never tried to regain custody of Kyron, though she has maintained a close relationship with her son, caring for him every weekend or so with her new husband, Medford police Detective Tony Young.


Mainly, their relationship has consisted of exchanging kids. Once a month, they would converge at Shari's Restaurant in Springfield and do a swap, with James staying with Tarver and his new wife, and Kyron going with Desiree and her husband.

So which is it, once per month or every weekend or so? Considering Mom lifed 4 hours away, my guess is it is not every weekend.

Why did Desiree never fight for custody of Kyron, especially when Kyron was asking her if he could live with them? She was married, she had a job, her husband had a good job...I need to know what the reason for his is. Yes, I need to know because I want to know if I should be pissed off at this woman or feel she was a victim. I am not going to assume anything.

another thing, why didn't Kaine see the signs in his son that he was not happy at home? Did Kyron ever tell him he wasn't happy? He was a shy and timid child, is that because of abuse in the home?

I have no words at this point at the amount of disappointment I feel after reading Kyron would cry to his mother begging her to stay at their home. That tears me up inside and my heart and prayers go out to the little boy who this story is about.

Kyron, I am so sorry your pleas went ignored. I am so sorry it took 7 hours for anyone to notice you were missing. I am so sorry that it took this for you to know you matter as a person. There are so many people who have taken you into their hearts. You little boy are loved by so many people taken in by your big bright smile and beautiful blue eyes. We are all here until you are found again.

I am so upset with what I am seeing..people blaming Desiree.

When you read this whole article you realize this is an interview with Tavner..James father ..He is say ing that to his knowledge Desriee had Kyron every weekend.  He is saying that James was a month child..that once a month they all met at a restaurant to exchange the children...not that Kyron was once a month...he clearly stated he wasn't..that he thought it was every week.

Desiree..how can you make this her problem..she has been a caring Mom. 

I really think that Terri was getting rid of the current men in her life..trying a hit on Kaine, removing JAMES (biological son), and then Kyron disappears.  Just to many men removed for my comfort..although she is feeling comforatable enough to post sexual pictures of herself to a friend of Kaine...

Yeah..she is a stand up Mom with no blemish on her record..other then trying to improve her lot by living with/marrying up the next guy.  MC should be glad LE IS INVOLVED HE OR HIS SON MIGHT HAVE BEEN NEXT.

I agree ..in all this I am so sorry for Kyron.  But I do not think Desiree or his father should blame themselves.  There is a reaon the teacher marked Kyron absent..she may have hearing problems..but not sight.  Terri or someone gave her the impression that Kyron would not be ther for the rest of the day.  The teacher did see Kyron and Terri at school, she did see them in the classroom..so she would only mark him absent if Terri said they were leaving...that's my bottom line.

I agree ..in all this I am so sorry for Kyron.  But I do not think Desiree or his father should blame themselves.  There is a reaon the teacher marked Kyron absent..she may have hearing problems..but not sight.  Terri or someone gave her the impression that Kyron would not be ther for the rest of the day.  The teacher did see Kyron and Terri at school, she did see them in the classroom..so she would only mark him absent if Terri said they were leaving...that's my bottom line.

I'm so sorry, I wasn't trying to be rude.  I would love to know that also, would imagine almost every adult in his life has spent hours looking back to come up with any signs they could have missed.  At this point, any solid fact other than Kyron is missing and he needs to be found would be appreciated. 

I never thought I would be an advocate for Terri and Kaine but ...

Desiree was the non-custodian parent.  In Kyron's eyes time spent at his mother's home was something akin to a holiday.  Terri and Kaine cared for Kyron the lion's share of the time where there were the good times but where ther were also expectations and ... discipline ... everything seven year old little boys hate.

It would be appreciated if one of our Monkey researchers would access the restraining order regarding custody that Desiree filed against Kaine at the time of their divorce?

I would also be appreciated if one of our Monkey researchers would access the records regarding the ruling that granted Kaine custody of Kyron?

It appears that WW was able to access these documents.

The following article implies that Desiree had custody of Kyron at the time of the divorce.  I could comprehend Kaine receiving temporary custody when Desiree's health issues at the time were considered but ... somewhere along the way Kaine was able to gain full custody.  WHY?  HOW?

Janet

+++++++


Troubled Family
What records show about Kyron Horman’s stepmom, dad and other relatives.
June 23rd, 2010

In the nearly three weeks since Kyron Horman disappeared, law enforcement officials, reporters and thousands of online commenters have focused their attention on the 7-year-old boy’s fractured family.

The Sunday Oregonian devoted its front page June 20 to a story detailing relations between the boy’s biological mother and stepfather, who live in Medford, and his father and stepmom, who lived with Kyron in Portland. The headline called them a “close, supportive group.”

But a WW review of dozens of court documents paints a very different portrait. These documents reveal a family that has at times been divided by rocky divorce, suspicion and—in the case of one uncle—sex abuse.

This side of the family’s history takes on new emphasis as the investigation into the boy’s June 4 disappearance from Skyline Elementary School drags on. As first reported June 17 on wweek.com, sources in law enforcement say investigators are increasingly focusing on the stepmom’s whereabouts the day Kyron vanished. She’s the last person known to have seen the boy.

When he disappeared, Kyron was living with his father, Kaine Horman, and stepmom, Terri Moulton Horman, at their $292,000 home off secluded Northwest Sheltered Nook Road. Kaine Horman is an Intel engineer who made $90,000 back in 2002, according to court records.

Terri Moulton Horman is a former bodybuilder and ex-teacher who last worked for the Hillsboro School District, state records show. The Oregonian reports she gave birth to Kaine Horman’s daughter, Kiara, in December 2008.

Kaine Horman had been married once before, to Kyron’s biological mother, who now goes by the name Desiree Young. Washington County Circuit Court records show Young was pregnant with Kyron, the couple’s only child, when she filed for divorce from Kaine in August 2002. She cited irreconcilable differences.

What hasn’t been made public is the fact that, a month after filing for divorce, Young sought a restraining order against Kaine Horman, Kyron’s dad.

At the time, she had a 7-year-old son from a previous marriage. In court documents, Young said she feared Kaine Horman would “remove our children from their residence.” It’s unclear whether the couple was living together at the time. Washington County Circuit Judge Donald Letourneau granted Young’s request, forbidding either her or Kaine Horman from taking the children without the other’s consent.

http://wweek.com/editorial/3633/14183/

I am so tired of NG following the sensationalism... I have lost so much respect for her over the last couple of years.  Who cares if Muddlin Mel and Loony Lindsey go to jail?

Bring Kyron Home!

Me too!!  Think about it.  LE revealed NOTHING in the press release regarding aspects aspects of the investigation except how much it is costing.

 ::MonkeyMad::

Think about the Caylee Marie Anthony case.  Almost immediately there were  transcripts and videos/audios of statements ... transcripts and audios of 911 calls as well as press releases which actually revealed where the investigation stood.

Janet

+++++++

Kyron Horman investigation: Transcript of interview with Sheriff Dan Staton
Published: Friday, July 02, 2010

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/07/kyron_horman_investigation_tra.html

It was so easy for Desiree and her hubby to be the good parents in Kyron's seven year old eyes when his contact consisted of once a month visits.

Janet

++++++


Kyron Horman's blended family: Friends describe a close, supportive group
Published: Saturday, June 19, 2010, 5:36 PM
Updated: Saturday, June 19, 2010, 6:46 PM

Mainly, their relationship has consisted of exchanging kids. Once a  month, they would converge at Shari's Restaurant in Springfield and do a swap, with James staying with Tarver and his new wife, and Kyron going with Desiree and her husband.

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/kyron_hormans_blended_family_f.html

Wkys you posted this picture of Kyron
I see it as a self portrait. If you look at the art, its Kyron's face. It shows his eyeglasses, he has button nose and little smile underneath. Then the t-shirt below. His little face " looks" invisible. Compared the the darker colors surrounding him. Maybe he only had " the colors" he had to make his painting. It is a very nice painting, Kyron is talented.  ::MonkeyAngel::

(http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k14/boxah104/Kyron3artschoolface-1-1.jpg)

I am so upset with what I am seeing..people blaming Desiree.

When you read this whole article you realize this is an interview with Tavner..James father ..He is say ing that to his knowledge Desriee had Kyron every weekend.  He is saying that James was a month child..that once a month they all met at a restaurant to exchange the children...not that Kyron was once a month...he clearly stated he wasn't..that he thought it was every week.

Desiree..how can you make this her problem..she has been a caring Mom. 

I really think that Terri was getting rid of the current men in her life..trying a hit on Kaine, removing JAMES (biological son), and then Kyron disappears.  Just to many men removed for my comfort..although she is feeling comforatable enough to post sexual pictures of herself to a friend of Kaine...

Yeah..she is a stand up Mom with no blemish on her record..other then trying to improve her lot by living with/marrying up the next guy.  MC should be glad LE IS INVOLVED HE OR HIS SON MIGHT HAVE BEEN NEXT.

If a child is crying to a parent begging to stay with them to not be sent back to his other home, how else should a 7 year old child communicate their unhappiness? Perhaps there is a reason that is acceptable but lack of money, lack of job, lack of health is not one because it doesn't seem those issues apply at this point. So what was it?
If the reason was she didn't want to uproot him? He didn't want to stay at his dads and Terri's home! He wanted his mother and that in itself should have been reason to at least fight for custody. I have not found she did that? Can anyone produce a document that shows a custody fight? She sent him back. Why? That is what I want to know, why didn't she have that mothers instinct when her son was crying to her, begging to stay?

While we were "down" I made this. I absolutely love the look of childhood pure joy on Kyron's face in this one.

(In the original, he is holding a very long water gun.)

Brandi..this is truly joy on his face..just the times in childhood that need to be captured.

Thank you for all the very clear, precious potos you produce.

Ok so what you all are saying is it was ok for Terri to have this boy?

He cried to her to let him stay, to live with them, he would break down and cry. She sent him back.
This is Kyrons story, not Desiree, not Tony (who is a cop by the way) not kaines and not even Terri's. This is Kyrons story and for this little boy his pleas were not taken seriously. That to me is very sad and something that should never happen again to any child anywhere.

I didn't think you were, just trying real hard to look at everything, and not jump to conclusions, and I'll be honest, I'm usually the first one to jump to conclusions, but for some reason I'm all over the place with this case. All of this is so sad and confusing. And there have been things in my life that I wish could do over when I saw signs of something wrong, but you just can't get it back and do over again unfortunately.

John Killen, The Oregonian July 14, 2010 at 11:05AM
Follow

Chester:

For what it's worth, we checked out that report Tuesday and as far as we could tell, it's false. We sent a reporter and we also checked with investigators. We saw no searchers and were told by the Multnomah County Sheriff's Office that investigators have not resumed a search near Skyline Elementary.

Thanks,
John Killen
Breaking News editor
The Oregonian
503-294-5055

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/07/kyron_hormans_mother_desiree_y_1/4053/comments-14.html

Interesting point...  On Intel's web page they profess to promote the well being of the communities in which they are located and the one in Portland is also the largest in the world.

What Kyron have done or said to inform the adults there was something wrong?

According to Desiree ... the non-custodian parent ... Kyron did not want to live with his Dad and/or Stepmom.

Tracygirl ... you shared that your own stepkids attempted to play what you recognized as the game.

It must be remembered that Terri was not the only parent in the Horman household.  Would Kaine have stood by and allowed his son to be abused? 

I contend the focus should be on Terri's activities and contacts on the days leading up to and on the day of June 4, 2010.  Do computer, cell phone activity, security cameras and witness accounts implicate Kyron's Stepmom in his disappearance?  Considering LE will not share or act ... Monkeys have nothing to speculate on except "the sources".

 ::MonkeyMad::

Janet

So there was no saving this child? Not sure I can accept that. If his cries to his mother didn't work, then what should Kyron have done to try to save himself?

Sorry about the downtime- looks like they are working on stuff today (didn't tell me) ::MonkeyNoNo::

Thank-you, I was afraid to comment, but frankly she has not been named a suspect and imo this is really not appropriate, but that is how I feel.

tnmomb
Thank you for sharing you words and your personal journey. Your post about behaviors and that Terri " fits" .. the abandonment issue. I wonder if she found Michael Cook, because he was there. That she chose him. Because of all the chaos swirling around, and her not being " in place" aiding to find Kyron. That she would have latched on to anyone for the reasons you stated. " Abandonment" She chose someone though who had access to Kaine. Kaine and he being " buddies" from childhood/school.

I am blown away at the behavior choices she had made in the last month. I find it too, as you said the actions of " reckless" and in her case beyond. Its almost as if, she is 17 again, and has no cognitive reasoning skills. That she is acting out, at present, not really in revenge but more so out of defiance.  ::MonkeyNoNo:: I don't think she really cares what others think. I think some part of her is enjoying the attention she is receiving.  Like Melissa Huckaby, she kept inserting herself into the investigation of finding Sandra. Terri is doing the same thing " Inserting herself " in acting the way she is. She is taking the attention away from Kyron (him being missing) and she is creating diversions " Look at Me" ...and everyone is Looking at Her.

I do not feel that Terri is a diabolic mastermind. I am leaning towards she has a masters degree in manipulation.  :2saywhaa:

Then I wonder who was searching?

I think that whatever problems Terri was having it wasn't glaringly obvious to others.  She hid things well.  Reading her photo comments to others that would comment, you wouldn't think anything was wrong.  Looking at photos of her as recent as May, she looked very outwardly happy.  Just because she may have been depressed doesn't mean she was so bad she would harm someone.  How would anyone know?  Unless Kyron showed physical signs of being beaten how would anyone know for sure?  She may have done subtle things to Kyron that nobody else knew about. 

I'm just not sure anyone really knew.  Look at the photos she posted on Facebook.  When I look at them I don't see an abused kid.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8203.20

I agree it was tragic. Yes it was just wrong that his pleas weren't at least investigated. But don't you think Desiree and Kaine realise the huge mistake they made letting Kyron be alone with TH? They know this, especially Desiree who told us about it in the first place. I know it makes people angry to even think about Kyron's tears being discounted, but it's done. No amount of blame can change what already happened. But I do understand the need to vent and don't really blame any monkeys that do.

Last week, LE said there would be a lot of decisions to be made, this week, we were told there would be heavy activity.

It's already ½ into this week.

I am waiting to see some LE activity.

Yep waiting right along with ya....

Wow is all I have to say, suppose a public lynching is next?  Please I love all of you in scared monkeys the following link is my blog and "my thoughts" when they hit me I write about them, and last night the following "what if" hit me, this is all just to far fetched, TH/SM is probably that crazy and evil, but something is so wrong with this case.

http://www.truecrimeinthe21stcentury.com/2010/07/14/terri-horman-is-she-a-decoy-no-one-is-that-stupid/

Yes, it is done. All is said and done. The parents feel like crap, poor Kryon, god only knows what he has gone through, Terri is the monster all kids are afraid of. But then what? Do we at least get to learn from this? We are not allowed to ask if someone other then the monster holds a responsibility to Kyron? We are no longer holding parents accountable or responsible for protecting their children from the dangerous world around them? I want to know what steps were done to protect Kyron from this? Is that wrong of me? Am I being mean to a suffering person? Perhaps, but Kyron deserves to not have this happen to him without, at the vary least, it stopping for another child.

He cried to her to let him stay, to live with them, he would break down and cry. She sent him back.
This is Kyrons story, not Desiree, not Tony (who is a cop by the way) not kaines and not even Terri's. This is Kyrons story and for this little boy his pleas were not taken seriously. That to me is very sad and something that should never happen again to any child anywhere.

While we were "down" I made this. I absolutely love the look of childhood pure joy on Kyron's face in this one.

(In the original, he is holding a very long water gun.)

ITA!
But as the non custodial parent...what do you do?  Many men who ar ein Desiree's situation want to know.

The psychiatrist I spoke to about my mother told me my mother had the emotional maturity of a two year old. 

I agree.

I do believe that Terri is behind whatever happened to Kyron but ... I suspect that in Terri's twisted logic it is all about hurting Kaine not ... the little boy she has raising since infancy.

If a threatening divorce was an issue ... Terri would realize that Kaine's son would be taken from her.  Maybe her reasoning was ... if she could not have Kyron ... neither would Kaine.  IMO

Janet

I pray Kyron will one day soon get to see all the pics you made for him...being artsy he will be thrilled, ::dogwag:: you are a very special person to do all the work you do for the missing children ::MonkeyAngel::

If a child is crying to a parent begging to stay with them to not be sent back to his other home, how else should a 7 year old child communicate their unhappiness? Perhaps there is a reason that is acceptable but lack of money, lack of job, lack of health is not one because it doesn't seem those issues apply at this point. So what was it?
If the reason was she didn't want to uproot him? He didn't want to stay at his dads and Terri's home! He wanted his mother and that in itself should have been reason to at least fight for custody. I have not found she did that? Can anyone produce a document that shows a custody fight? She sent him back. Why? That is what I want to know, why didn't she have that mothers instinct when her son was crying to her, begging to stay?

Do you have a link to it?

Wkys you posted this picture of Kyron
I see it as a self portrait. If you look at the art, its Kyron's face. It shows his eyeglasses, he has button nose and little smile underneath. Then the t-shirt below. His little face " looks" invisible. Compared the the darker colors surrounding him. Maybe he only had " the colors" he had to make his painting. It is a very nice painting, Kyron is talented.  ::MonkeyAngel::

(http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k14/boxah104/Kyron3artschoolface-1-1.jpg)

Maybe she was waiting for the summer break..that school would be out soon and she could sort this out over the summer.  Talk to Kaine, talk to Kyron..plus get Kyron away to Lake Shasta and their vacation time.  A time with days worth of time to find out what the basis of this is..from Kyron's point of view. 

Who really believes that the ugly step mother will acutually disapeear your child?

I just wanted to say that Tony & Desiree have displayed so much class in the way they speak to the media. It's my truest opinion that they do believe Kyron will be found and will someday see how they reacted to this unfortunate situation. Kaine, so far & imo, appears to be suffering greatly. I've tried my damn hardest to uncover hidden secrets & follow up on net rumors but all to no avail. It's my personal sincerest desire that Kyron be found alive, but my logic tells me that will not be so. My heart goes out to Desiree, Tony & Kaine. I pray that someday there will be peace in all of their minds. My GOD what an injustice this is to Kyron, as well as the other children of those blended families. Those children will need much love & prayers going their way to move on from this whole drama unfolding right before their very eyes.

LOL titch..I am totally on your page.  I have run down every internet connection to find something..anything on Tony, Desiree or Kaine..nothing out thee..nada..zero.

Terri..however ..well I will let the facts speak for themselves. 

Poor Kyron..we are all praying that someone can find you and return you to your Momma's loving arms.

I think Tony & Desiree summed it all up - Re: Terri's sexting & romantic interests - Speaks alot about her true character. I couldn't have said it better myself. Actually, I'd have thrown some F words in there to be honest.

Great catch, Deenie!!  I was sure hoping someone would notice.  lol 

I also believe this is a self-portrait.. and likely a good reason his face looks invisible is... am thinking that's how HE felt... invisible to those around him. 


Poor lil dear. 

My thought on this is that it was done to add pressure on the perp. If/when they find Kyron, they can present detailed funds alloted to that search & sue the perp. If Ky's alive, the perp won;t be in jail forever, so they could work to pay off this debt. Since it's def a state case now, money for searches are state alloted. IMO, this was very ingenius to supply this info to the public. It helps the "extended" public to also add pressure in the search, bc ultimately it's the taxpayers that are funding the police. Since, by law, all state salaried jobs have to be provided to the public, this is a nice way to show the itemization, while at the same time putting pressure on the perp to come clean. The longer it takes to find resolution, the larger the bill will be. Not everybody will feel this way, I'm certain, but I for one think it's damn smart.

Everyday we're getting one more tidbit of info. A single hint given out may not produce anything...but several "hints" over a prolonged period of time could heed much new info.

I can't find the nodding in agreement monkey but if I had, It would be right here.

I haven't caught up yet but one thing that comes to mind as I am reading is the fact that bio-Mom is suddenly speaking out about Kyron's pleads not to go back to TH and KH's home. Folks are wondering why bio-Mom didn't do something about it when Kyron was pleading with her etc... well, how do we know for a fact yet that she actually didn't do something about it?

 ::MonkeyEek::

I am praying there is some proof she tried to help him. We can all say perhaps this or perhaps that, but we don't know. I cannot find anything in the Oregon courts that show she was trying to gain custody. As far as we know there were no reports to CPS, were there? As far as we know, she didnt' act on them, is that true or not, I want to know.

I think it turned into a blue hippo!
 ::rhino::

I haven't caught up yet but one thing that comes to mind as I am reading is the fact that bio-Mom is suddenly speaking out about Kyron's pleads not to go back to TH and KH's home. Folks are wondering why bio-Mom didn't do something about it when Kyron was pleading with her etc... well, how do we know for a fact yet that she actually didn't do something about it?

 ::MonkeyEek::