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I was glacing around at IS and found the discussion regarding a cold case.

Stacy Wilmoth:
http://www.theoutlookonline.com/news/story.php?story_id=127604789675353300

This one is new to me. 
If the two cases are somehow linked it makes me wonder what possibly might have drawn this monster to do something like this again? Is it a possible copy cat case where perhaps someone may have had knowledge about that case and decided to make it appear that the two cases were likely linked?

Puzzler...I wonder about these inconsistencies...what reason does he have to lie?  And I find it curious how Terri Horman has not given one interview...not to even state that she is innocent...yet Kaine and Desiree are all over the place saying that she is the one responsible for setting this up.  I read somewhere that Kaine thinks Terri was capable of this to get revenge...so if the MFH was indeed planned by Terri and she wanted revenge...why?  Pretty vengeful to take your hatred of a man out on a child...yet in other interviews Kaine stated that he thought things were going pretty well in their marriage.  If I found out my significant other wanted me dead by LE, yet they had no evidence only the word of an illegal immigrant and things were going well in my marriage, I would have a hard time believing another person over my spouse.  And if my child was missing...I could really care less about a divorce...saving my other child YES, but the time and effort spent on the divorce should be spent on my missing child.  It just seems strange.  Because of Terri's timeline, unless they come up with someone who helped her (could be DeDe...who knows...maybe the two reds were lovers), I can't see how she could have done it all in 1.5 hours with a baby in tow.  She has done some pretty shady stuff with the sexting while Kyron was missing and wow...what a master of disguise...the pictures of their family look pretty typical and happy.  How does someone suffering PPD put on that good of an act of normalcy...these thoughts make me go hmmmmmmmm...

Then again, what has been released in the media about Terri Horman is convincing.  I just don't know...I would really like to see some evidence...I have a hard time convicting anyone based on Hearsay and Gut feelings.  I mean my gut feelings told me I was going to win the powerball...darn it...did not happen!  LOL!

I don't know about the cases being linked, but reading that underscored that Kyron didn't just wander off. He was taken. It also made me think about what Terri wrote on her FB pic of Kyron's classmates with Kiara, that Kyron had disappeared again to go to the restroom, or something to that effect. I wonder if even then, she might have been setting a scenario that Kyron had a habit of wandering off on his own without telling anyone. Laying the groundwork.

Kyron was a timid, shy child so I don't see him going off with a stranger.  Plus, the cold case was 32 years ago.  Just a coincidence most likely.

Thanks for the new thread Nut. I just realized this picture was taken at Disney. I remember there was a discussion & people thought it was at an amusement or fun center. It's at Disney. I just found the picture of James with the cars, also, and it's Disney World. I have premium annual passes there. Our whole family goes twice a year & every other Christmas.

I bet you might be right.  She wanted rid of Kyron.  And I definitely think she was laying the groundwork to make that happen.

And speaking of revenge...maybe I am not the best "master of disguise" but when my ex stated that I had abandoned him and my girls when I was downrange and filed divorce paperwork that I did not even know about...I wanted vengeance when I found out when I got back in country.  The abandonment issue was easy to overturn (cost me money) because I had been sending almost my entire paycheck into his account via direct deposit.  So, that was overturned, but because he stated that I was going to kidnap my girls and take them to a war zone (hahahah...what a joke...would never even be allowed)!  I could not take the girls out of the state he was living in.  Yes...it was pretty sleazy.  I admit, the massive depression and hatred seethed inside of me.  I was depressed and constantly schemed on how to get my babies back.  God, it hurt...it felt like my hands had been cut off.  I could hardly function because of the depression...yet my mind was working overtime.  Thank God for my friends and family.  I actually convinced myself that I could escape with them to a place he would never find us.  Fortunately...logic defied fantasy.  I knew that I could never do to my girls what their father had done to them.  I could never deprive them of their father and his family because I refused to sink to that level.  I stopped arguing with him...period.  I lost in court because the girls had an established life with him and his family for over a year since I had been deployed and it did not matter all the words and threats that he had done and said...it was all hearsay.  My point is...even in depression...massive depression...scheming happens and sometimes it goes to a very dark place.  When some people have their back against the wall, they fight with everything they got...others slink away, lick their wounds and brood...Terri strikes me as someone that knows what she wants...and goes for it...all or nothing attitude.

He said the illness manifested in rapid mood swings.

“It wasn’t anything that was overly violent in nature,” Horman said. “It was just really erratic types of swings, from being very emotional to suddenly being very frustrated.”

Horman said he’s not sure what type of medication his wife was on or when she stopped taking it.    (I think he may be saying all of this because he feels guilty. I don't think he should feel guilty, I really have to say that I think most men don't get it, and only want things to be like it was. Bad enough with the pressure and stress of a new baby and then you have a wife doing all sorts of things you are not use to. Interesting the comment though, it wasn't anything that was overly violent in nature, so there must have been some violent streak. Maybe Terri throwing stuff when she was upset, or screaming and losing it?

I remember though reading somewhere along the way that Kyron had been talked to about listening to what the adults at the school were telling him to do or something to that affect.

Stupid Conspiracy of the Day:


http://www.facebook.com/#!/pages/Terri-Horman-Support-Page/131975590176118?ref=ts

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

You can lead an idiot to knowledge, but you can't make them think.

They were probably talking about listening to his teacher.  I doubt he would take that to mean, "go off with a stranger because we said so!"  Seriously, LE is on the right path here with who their main suspect is.

Maybe Terri is a narcissistic sociopath with severe PPD?  Is that possible? ::MonkeyEek::

Oh my. And a grand total of three "3" instances of the word "ok" in that one hypothetical paragraph.

Interesting. Very.

 

That whole Terri Support Page is nothing but a bunch of lies. Desiree wasn't actively seeking a change in custody...not in the very least. Anybody with half a brain knows how to obtain legal information and/or docs. Nothing at all that I myself have found supports that erroneous post from that support page. My God. Those people are whacked out! To each their own, I guess.

Patty Mocha - lmao. They post like they're in middle school...like uhhh duhhh...

Click on the photo below to hear Kaine speak.  I added it to photobucket in case anyone had problems listening to it:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub5/moderator%20pics/th_KaineTalking.jpg) (http://s118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub5/moderator%20pics/?action=view&current=KaineTalking.mp4)

Right tx. Well hasn't it been said that TH was interested in CSI types of shows etc...? Why would this not be at least a possible interest to look at if indeed it were possible (hypothetically speaking) that she "may" have had knowledge of that old cold case herself?

I have no idea  ::MonkeyEek::  But I know one thing, when I was suffering from PPD after the second baby, the doctor didn't tell my husband to watch me, and if I would have gotten wind of that suggestion I would have really been upset. My husband knew enough to back away from the scene when my mood swings were wild and furious  ::MonkeyEek:: Maybe it is just me, but seriously can any woman on here whether it is from PPD or menstrual issues say they never had mood swings? I suppose some women more than others, but I have never known a woman that didn't, and when I was younger I really had some dandy mood swings.

Thanks Klaas

Actually, that was taken at a little place near their home in Portland, not Disney.

We discussed it a while back. If you need, I can go find the exact name of the place.

I am sure LE took her computer...at least I hope so...and most people use their computers for research...unless she went elsewhere to do her groundwork...which is possible since Kaine flat out stated that he did not know what she did with her time during the day.

::MonkeyDevil::

Novella, how awful to have gone through that! But I think you give Terri a bit too much credit. I agree she's someone who knows what she wants and goes for it with no holds barred. But I don't think she was anywhere close to the situation you were in. As far as Kaine knew, their marriage was fine. She may have wanted out and wanted an "upgrade" as another monkey had suggested. I don't think it was depression as much as dissatisfaction. I think people like TH always want More. They're not willing to share the pie, they want the whole pie. Once they have the whole  pie, they think a different pie (preferably someone else's) is probably better than the one they have, and they switch focus. Now the problem is getting rid of the old pie without seeming like a bad wasteful person.

Hmm, that is a possiblity!  I wonder if she researched Portland school abductions?  You know she took advantage of the school's lax security!

(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/Kyron/Image171.png)

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Family Fun Center & Bullwinkle's Restaurant in Wilsonville.

Found it!

 ::MonkeyDance::

I don't even go to that stupid FB page. I am at about 85 % a random stranger did this, and a shaky 15 % that Terri did it. But, my numbers could change IF LE would let me in on what is going on. It would not surprise me if they are going to announce that they will indict on the MFH thing. Or not. Or if they had a presser and said, we have no comment, but Kaine will answer all your questions and tell y'all all about what a ^&*( Terri is. It is mildly entertaining to peek into some else's troubled marriage, but we want to hear about :
Have  you made any progress in this case ? Largest search in the history of Portland and you have come up with text messages to M Cook after Kyron went missing ?  

I, too, have a hard time convicting anyone on gut feelings.  It's so easy to get caught up with all Terri's lies and such and you just want to blast her and hope she's arrested soon...the sooner the better. 

Then, when I remember that we really don't have many "facts" to make informed conclusions, I struggle to to not be so vicious in my thinking.  That's probably why those who read my posts find them a "mixture" of negative toward Terri and then questioning "what if". 

We're just so used to getting more facts than we have...especially after all this time.

To answer your question: why would Kaine lie?  I don't know why he would lie; I don't know if he's lying....I just have a lot of questions and the comments of:  pretty bad PPD for over a year vs. watched her for six months and she seemed okay vs. she seemed depressed until 1-2 months before Kyron went missing.  Seems to me like Kaine is just as confused about how Terri was doing as we are.  It's just notable...that's all.

I do believe that's possible. I think such a person would wallow in a PPD diagnosis, finally having an excuse to behave badly. They can stop trying to act how they think people expect them to behave, and stop the cover up of their true personality for a while. Paradoxically, with PPD, in their mind, they probably ARE acting how people would expect them to act. And finally, they like it.

Well, although there is no substantial evidence at this time for LE to make an arrest, yes, hypothetically speaking, I agree, it is a possibility.

I think we need to remember that Oregon does not have Sunshine laws and I they are very restricted on the information they can release.  They have a grand jury that wanted to see Dede Spicher so that tells you where the focus is.

Oh, I agree for the most part...but what we do not know is what really went on behind closed doors.  We are only hearing Kaine's side of the story...and he is a professional...he would not state that he had told his wife that it was over and all women know how mood swings are...I am sure there were some pretty heated arguments, and he is inconsistent with her PPD...sometimes she had it, sometimes she didn't...so which is it?  She was a stay at home mom...how long had she been out of the workforce?  Was she drinking?  Did Kaine know of it...hello...the DUI...yet he continued to allow her to drive the children around.  So who does that...I have a hard time buying that he had his head so far in the sand that he could not see the light of day.  It could be possible that Terri felt she was going to loose it all because her husband threatened that.  I know what it feels like to loose it all...I came back and started over with the rucksack on my back...13 years of marriage and that was what I was left with.  And when you believe that everything that you have worked for is about to be taken...insanity replaces reason.

I think Terri was just tired of Kyron and had no more use for him.  She had a new baby (that was HERS) and Kyron no longer fit into her life.

PML, I forgot about her interest in CSI. She very well could be a crime buff inspired by a previous case.

This is an article on WW...It reflects more the idea I was talking about many posts ago about Kaine. I didn't read him as cold. I read him as reacting with severe guilt (for a million things), afraid, trying to protect/provide and still be a parent to Kiara, deal with the shock of his family being blown apart(no matter what his part may be) keep up with LE and media and basically numb trying to "act" strong for everyone. I think he is reacting like many men are taught to do in crisis, be the strong one don't show your feelings, etc. Which could look cold (as in frozen with fear)

....as you all say when hoping not to get ignored or have nanners thrown at you...JMO

Snip from article:

in a weird way, I almost wish that her plot that she originally put in place [allegedly, to hire a landscaper to kill Kaine] would have gone through, because he would still be here. So I live with that guilt every day, and you know what, I turn it around, and I [make] it into something positive to go help find him. … I’m not saying I feel directly responsible for it, but I feel really guilty about it

http://blogs.wweek.com/news/2010/07/29/kyron-horman-update-kaines-feelings-about-decision-to-marry-stepmom/

And because in this case...it appears that insanity has replaced reason...there is no telling what happened to Kyron.  His very disappearance in school defies logic.  We can never understand the insane and can make no logical reason for what they may or may have not done because most people just can not go there...and I hope they never do.

OMG so did I.
You didn't want to be around me at that time in my life, I was  just looking for a fight.

IF terri did this it won't be on her computer she would have looked things up at a library, where their are no video camera's to confirm she was there. LE should know this, she's not stupid.

 anitakissee-twitter
 
Someone put together this map of key points in the #KyronHorman case. I can think of more to add: http://tinyurl.com/26j7ult

I also thought maybe she asked Kaine to let Desiree haveKyron back then said something like you have me and the baby now.
If he said NO then she went nuts..

Good point Blonde...because she had given up her older son...so a tit for a tat!

I was thinking the exact same thing with regard to most women having fluctuating moods and hormones.  He isn't describing anything she did that my husband couldn't say the same about me - sadly. 

So why would it matter if Terri took the truck vs the mustang if she was going to disappear Kyron? So much has been made about the white truck and terri had asked to use the truck rather then the mustang. She could have placed kryon in the mustang just as easily as the truck.
The only think I can come up with is someone else has a white truck and they were doing a switch such as someone was pretending to be somewhere as terri.

Thanks Brandi. I remember the talk about the smusement center, but we were wrong. It's definitely Disney. Here's a pic of James at Disney and it can be found in the James Kyron Quinn FB album:

(http://i563.photobucket.com/albums/ss80/_Titch_/Kyron%20Horman/JamesDisneyCars.jpg)

Now here's a pic of the Tomorrowland Speedway taken from Disney's link:
http://disneyworld.disney.go.com/parks/magic-kingdom/attractions/tomorrowland-speedway/

(http://i563.photobucket.com/albums/ss80/_Titch_/Kyron%20Horman/TomorrowlandSpeedway.jpg)

I think the picture of James was taken by either Terri or Kaine from behind James. James is on the other side of the crosswalk that you see in the Disney picture from Tomorrowland Speedway. I used to live there. It's why we hold premium annual passes, so we can have fun & visit my friends at the same time. I know this place like the back of my hand.

::MonkeyAngel::  Your last sentence sure rings true. I agree there had to be more than one red flag with Terri's behavior. But no matter how many red flags there were, I don't think Kaine or anyone in the family thought they would be in the middle of this.

I thought of him as being very cold, after reading this the guilt is eating him up alive.

I agree

Brandi, when you're at the race cars in Disney, on the other side of the crosswalk, there is a triple track. It splits up into one going to the right to load passengers & 2 veer off to the left to let people load from there. It keeps the line & crowd constandly moving. Right next to the crosswalk is a section with stadium seating for people with small children to wait and/or videotape. That's what you see in James' picture. When I cam across this today, I thought I should post the actual picture from Disney. I don't believe it means anything only attempting to make the information correct. Hope you understand sweetheart :)

Me too, big time, even scared myself  ::MonkeyEek::  Who knows what Terri was all like.

I agree with you Txlisa.

Kyron's dentist appointments, eye appointments, swim meets, school projects, plus driving him three hours to his mothers, too much. When she turned fourty she went Beserk. IMO.  :smt096

The only thing I find odd about this photo is Terri is driving and not Kyron. I too used to live So Cal and we also had season passes and from the time my sons could talk they wanted to drive. True it doesn't have tracks, but it is pretty contained. Kyron was what 6 or 7? Anyway, being a mother to boys I found that odd.

Carole and Larry should watch what they eat!   ::MonkeyLaugh::  I hope SM is cooking for them.

KOIN_Local_6
 
Terri may face contempt charge sooner than she thinks - http://bit.ly/d4FclH

KOIN_Local_6
 
Latest developments in the Horman case - including Mike Donahue's daily webcast http://bit.ly/d4FclH

I wouldn't stay under the roof with SM, would you?  She just may polish the banisher or drop a Banana peel on the floor.  ::MonkeyJnBox::  SM would be the Heritress.   :king:
 

I agree with you Tracygirl. You'd think Ky would hold the wheel, afterall the cars are really for kids - they don't go fast, etc. But, I wonder if the rules changed when they revamped the speedway. The pic of James is definitely at Disney World. Disneyland in Cali has different cars than Florida's Magic Kingdom. The cars were revamped some years ago. I don;t remember if the gas pedal was moved or not. A long time ago, the pedal used to be in the middle, or more towards the middle. I wonder if maybe Ky couldn;t reach the pedal so they made him sit on the passenger side. No idea, just guessing... Their rules are a bit more strict now with certain issues bc there have been deaths & hospitalizations on other rides.

Ditto.

Good thinking.

I could also theorize that if the whole thing was planned, the concept that a red Mustang is more easily remembered/identified than a small white truck. There are many of those trucks around.

IMO

I was going to lurk for a while but then I found this:

Someone put together this map of key points in the #KyronHorman case. I can think of more to add: http://tinyurl.com/26j7ult

Apparently some folks find Anita Kissee controversial. I think she's brilliant. jmvho

(And hopefully she will post more updates as they become available lol!)

I think so, too, txlisa.  Even worse, I don't think she liked him.  I wonder if she ever really cared for him...

My kids loved the cars, felt like big boys. The peddle was in the middle so I would push down on it. Of course we went all over the track, but it was fun. They also got little drivers licenses...So you could be correct, perhaps there is a height requirement. Good idea

That quote was taken from Anita Kissee's twitter here:
http://twitter.com/anitakissee

Hey Brandi, I just thought of something... What about if the pic of Terri with Kyron was taken at the Family Fun Center & Bullwinkle's Restaurant in Wilsonville but the pic of James was taken at Disney World in Florida? I'm looking at the back of the car in the one of Terri with Ky & it's diff than the one's at Disney World. I saw the pic of James & thought they were taken at the same time. I am now very curious why there's a pic of James at the speedway in Disney but not one of Ky. Also, I wonder why that pic was put (along with just a few others) in the James Kyron & Quinn album. The reason I'm asking is bc pics were certainly taken at Disney World, as a few of them are in that album on her FB page (some have Kyron in them). Surely she'd have hundreds of pics taken at Disney, right, so why just a few Disney pics in that album instead of TONS in their own Disney FB album? Could a race pic taken at Bullwinkle's have been posted to show that she treats the kids equal since there was a pic of James at Disney's Tomorrowland Speedway? When was the pic to Bullwinkle's taken? I'm off to try to figure out some coding so I can see what other albums happened to have been on there and are missing. Might take a couple of days unless maybe you can help me...   Please???

Back to lurking I go.
 ::dogwag::

The gocart photos are of two different places.  ONE is in Wilsonville and the other is Disneyland.  Look at the cars, they are different and the seat backs are different.

Both of your are right, they were at both places, but the photo in the opening post of this thread was the Wilsonville go cart.

I think she's very brilliant and incredibly intellectual. Her intelligence shows through her investigative journalism. I love that map, I'm on it now circumnavigating everything. I didn't even know you could do this with those maps! I'm testing it out now for myself!

Quoting this again bc I just thought of something...Rob would definitely find this map interesting (with his technical interests). Miss you Rob!

Thanks Klaas, I know I was wrong on the photo of Terri with Kyron...but want to keep those posts to show the pics. Did you see my last post bc I'm really wondering when the pic was taken of Terri with Kyron? I think it's really weird she only had a few pics from Disney in that James Kyron & Quinn album. I wonder if she had a Disney album on her FB that maybe we don;t know about yet bc it went private before everything could be mirrored...

I'm not Brandi, but I am certain those pics were taken in 2 different locations. The Disney World pics were from the vacation in 2008 and posted in the "James, Kyron, Quinn" album. The Bullwinkle/Family Fun pics are posted in the June 2009 album (#38-44). The June 2009 pics are clearly of bumper cars used on the track that can be seen behind the cars (lined with tires). Coincidentally, it is this June 2009 album that shows the family at the CSI expo at OMSI (where the CSI t shirts were available for purchase).

http://www.facebook.com/album.php?id=1264414625&aid=2010775&s=0&hash=23b95dc2919224f0737da72621b8029a

http://www.facebook.com/album.php?id=1264414625&aid=2026716&s=0&hash=9d489e32b0948b06b079f4fade37bf78#!/album.php?aid=2026716&id=1264414625&page=3

 anitakissee
 
THIS was the #KyronHorman map that was supposed to link. More detailed: http://tinyurl.com/2bcvfet

ME: I agree I think Anita does great reporting even when we have to wait for it, it is always worth waiting for IMO.

OS

I know I was wrong. Thank you so much for the links again. I'm wondering about a Disney album on her FB a/c, though. Seems like she put alot of pics in her FB and we haven't even touched the tip of them all yet. I was able to get into about 4 or 5 and took screenshots of all of them, I put the in the pictures thread. Do you know of a Disney album she would possibly have? Surely she didn;t just take a handful of pics at Disney World, right? (thinking out loud) I'm wondering when the pic of Ky & Terri were taken bc the one with James was uploaded the end of February 2009. I'm wondering if this one at Bullwinkle's was to even them out. I'm bothered that Kyron doesn't have the wheel & I'm wondering if it's bc of safety reasons or if this was just a pic to even everything out... (only being hypothetical)

Terri could have changed the caption on the picture also to coincide with time Kyron went missing ...I wish someone knew if that caption was actually on the pic when it was first posted.

She was kind of catty about Blink. : \

Sorry Titch. I am the slowest poster in in the universe and didn't realize so many people beat me to the info. If there was a Disney World album, it was probably a 2008 album?? I'm thinking no one made it back that far with their original sleuthing. Or maybe she was too busy being pregnant and giving birth to keep her FB updated. I haven't seen any pregnancy pics...

Anita Kissee was posting some over in the Kyron Horman Discission forum and some people copied Anita's posts and pasted them elsewhere including here and over at Blinks.   According to Admin one of their rules is no copying to other forums.  Honestly I didn't know that.  I told Admin at that forum that Anita would be foolish to think stuff she posts on the internet is private that there was always people willing to copy and paste.  Admin (Cindi) didn't like my answer and banned me from the forum.  I have no idea why she is mad at Blink except that someone quoted something she said over at Blink too.

Good point.  I think she mentions James as being 15 though and he's 16 now so maybe early 2009?

Klaas, if you do a "roll over" on the FB pics in the June 2009 album it says "James and Kyron Disneyworld 2008."

Actually it's the "Jamae, Kyron and Quinn" album.

Hi Monkey's,

If anyone is interested Levi is having a couple interesting guests on his show.


atty Dawn Skinner & Private Investigator Vito Colucci discuss Kyron Horman at 9 ET! Listen here:

www.blogtalkradio.com/levipage

Levi Page Show
58 Minutes UNTIL SHOW

Back to lurking  ::MonkeyEek::

Thanks  ::MonkeyCool::

She was definitely catty about Blink, but I think it's bc some of the info was wrong regarding the Pumalas. Brian hasn't lived at that houseboat in many years and his wife was never Anna. Anna is his sister and has lived in Arizona for months. I think alot of us got so much info real quick, our minds were encompassed with Kyron, and info was put out quickly without fully verifying it. Sometimes sources can be incorrect.  I have to say that I've been following Blink for a very long time, since she was posting at WS...then here at SM & getting her own forum. I personally believe Blink has a passion for helping to solve crimes against people, especially children. Sure she's an awesome reporter, but I personally think she's amazing at getting facts out there & seen. I'd follow Blink over Anita anyday of the week, and I'll continue to follow Blink too. Anita is a very good journalist/reporter but I'm sure I won't follow her after Kyron's case...unless she covers another missing child from that area or something. Blink is wider spread, imo. Her coverage of Morgan Harrington & Caylee Anthony is nothing less than amazing. I love scaredmonkeys.com as a forum and think it's awesome. Blink is a news blogger turned incredible journalist in her own right. So what some tiny bit of info was a lil off...it doesn;t give somebody the right to slam them just bc of a mistake. I found a few mistakes of Anita's too...but I still think she's incredible. When Blink is generating more hits than Katu, that should tell people why there's cattiness against Blink. I remember Hornsbey tried to say some dumb stupid stuff about sites (including our wonderful Blink) that make money off of following these types of cases. Well I say this: Who the hell does he think he is bc he's a damn criminal defense attorney? Who in the world makes more money off of these victims of injustice than a criminal defense attorney. My gosh! Pot meet Kettle! Uhhh, ya know?

Blink, you keep up your incredible work sweetie!

nicubird - thanks for that 2009 facebook link!

June 2009 photos

http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=2026716&id=1264414625&page=3

(http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs115.snc1/4697_1178755950108_1264414625_509243_1202114_n.jpg)

(http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs115.snc1/4697_1178763950308_1264414625_509260_696830_n.jpg)

(http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs115.snc1/4697_1178855952608_1264414625_509677_2068778_n.jpg)

(http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs095.snc1/4697_1178856072611_1264414625_509679_5204176_n.jpg)

I know I quoted her post about the Pumala family, where each one lives/lived, who's married to whom, etc. I said something nice about Anita, also, and that I trusted her information. I cannot speak for her but I saw a couple of other posts about the info she gave & the people on the KHOD forum were wondering why that wrong info was allowed to stay in Blink's article. The information is in the comments now, so in all fairness to Blink, why should she have to change captions in her article if the information is already placed into the comments? Also, how can anyone on a FB page assume they own the public posts that people make? It doesn;t even make sense. Anita is a journalist. We use that stuff every single day. It doesn't even make sense. Klaas, I'm sorry you got banned from there. Shame on them for doing that! I'm glad I brought over that information bc now we know for certain their dynamic. How could anyone find fault in that? To set the story straight by bringing over correct information and them being mad about it is absolutely nothing less than ridiculous. It's probably why Anita posts on another site now... I think I'll just stick with here & Blink's site from now on. Seems like we end up getting the correct info anyway. I mean, seriously...my mistake just a few minutes ago is a prime example as to how well people here work together. Wow.

I only post here what Anita says on Twitter, don't know anything about anything else.

OS

Klaas, I'm taking screenshots now...unless you already did. If so, let me know so I can stop. I have another tab open... Thank you nicubird!

 oregonian-twitter
 
Terri Moulton Horman wants court to order estranged husband to pay attorney fees http://bit.ly/bRTxI2

Lurk off:
Wow. I had no idea regarding all the goings on. Sorry you had to go through all of that Klaas. I also like Blink and think she has a concerned heart too.

Lurk on.

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I have some other links for 2009 albums. I'll check to see if I have any others that aren't already posted.

I have some other links for 2009 albums. I'll check to see if I have any others that aren't already posted.
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Thank you NICUBIRD! I'm in the middle of screen shots right now. BRANDI, YOU'RE GONNA LOVE SOME OF THESE PICTURES!

Yes OS, I know and I appreciate the twitter links.  I hope Anita knows her twitter tweets aren't private, LOLOL  ::MonkeyHaHa::

I have some other links for 2009 albums. I'll check to see if I have any others that aren't already posted.
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Thanks!

I don't think you have these albums yet (Sept and Dec 2009):

http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=2037219&id=1264414625

http://www.facebook.com/album.php?id=1264414625&aid=2045864&s=0&hash=b4ec51b714784137fec6a6df650dad12

There's always something going on.  Blink and I are used to it  ::MonkeyCool::

What attorney fees?  I can see him paying the divorce attorney fees since he was the one that initiated the divorce but not her criminal attorney.

Was there a press conference held by the family today?

Janet

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Kyron Horman’s Family Boots WW and The Oregonian from Bizarre News Event
1:04 PM July 1st, 2010 by James Pitkin

The saga of missing 7-year-old Kyron Horman got a little more bizarre today at a news conference held this morning by the boy’s family.

The event at Brooks Hill Historic Church was arranged on Wednesday by Kyron’s father Kaine Horman, biological mother Desiree Young and her husband, Medford Police Detective Tony Young.

Absent was Terri Moulton Horman, the stepmom investigators say was the last person known to have seen Kyron before his June 4 disappearance. Kaine Horman filed for divorce and a restraining order against her earlier this week. And she’s since hired star criminal defense attorney Stephen Houze.

Today, Kaine Horman and the Youngs sat at the head of a table in a room filled with more than two dozen national and local reporters for print, TV and radio. As the meeting began at 10 a.m., Kaine Horman started out by explaining “the agenda.” This wasn’t going to be a typical press conference.

Horman said the family’s goal was to make “the story” about Kyron. With news of the divorce and investigators homing in on the stepmom, media coverage (including in WW) has increasingly focused on Kyron’s troubled family.

First came Horman’s “ground rules,” as he described them. No cameras. No recordings. Everything was off the record and couldn’t be reported, unless agreed otherwise. Horman made everyone in the room agree to these rules before proceeding. And so this roomful of reporters consented, in essence, not to be reporters.

Horman then laid out how the meeting would go. They would take questions, make some phone calls (presumably to investigators, to find out what they could say in their answers), then return and make an on-the-record statement. But first, Horman wanted all the reporters he didn’t know to introduce themselves.

KEX radio, KATU, The Portland Tribune and “Inside Edition” all got the nod from Horman. But then came Shane Kavanaugh and Bryan Denson of The Oregonian.

Horman said the family didn’t like The Oregonian’s coverage and wanted them to leave. Horman said the daily had failed to be a “team player.”

“This is a team, and if we’re not going to play as a team, there’s no point in being here,” Horman said. “This is about Kyron.”

Denson objected, saying he’s new to the story and after 28 years in journalism he’s “a pretty good reporter.” But there was no arguing. The family wanted The O gone, and a woman who said she’s a manager at the church escorted them out. The biggest newspaper in the state had been eighty-sixed.

I introduced myself and said I’m with Willamette Week. Horman said the family has the same problem with WW. I agreed to leave. And so the paper with the second-biggest circulation in Oregon was also kicked out.

As far as I was concerned, after getting kicked out all deals were off. I wasn’t going to keep the meeting off the record.

According to a reporter who stayed, the family went on to lay out more “ground rules” for the future. They said they’d hold these “news conferences” (if you can call them that) twice a week, on Mondays and Thursdays, as time allows. They would make prepared statements, answer some questions submitted in writing and may also do occasional interviews.

“They want us to cover Kyron, and they’re not going to get neck-deep in gossip and rumors,” the reporter said.

ABC News convinced the family to make an on-the-record statement in front of one camera, with the tape available as pool footage for other reporters. After more than an hour inside the church, the reporters were sent outside while the family stayed in to prepare a statement.

The reporter at the scene said The Oregonian had somehow gotten back on the family’s good side and was among those waiting outside to hear the prepared statement.

At shortly after 12:30, the family emerged from the church and Desiree Young gave a brief statement in which she implored Terri Moulton Horman to cooperate with investigators. She also said the family believes Kyron is still alive. Check out the video with KATU’s coverage here

http://blogs.wweek.com/news/2010/07/01/kyron-hormans-family-boots-ww-and-the-oregonian/

Titch - no, I didn't.  I did post the link in the photo thread but didn't have time to do all the screen shots like you do.  Thanks!

Klaas

I only meant to blue highlight the first paragrah.  Would you please fix.

Thanks

Janet

Y.W.  :flower:

Klaas, at the expense of showing just a little less class. they're assholes. I'm sorry that one new FB site thinks they're so much more superior than a true crime forum (as well as political) that's been set up & established for years. I hold you guys on a pedestal. Yes, I'm serious.

Anytime! Getting there now... Almost done the June album.

ROFL!  She's gonna have to answer a few questions first!

Thanks Klaas

 ::HelloKitty::

Janet

OH my, hope so too, don't want to get in trouble on twitter LOL..

I agree with you, tnmomb.  I think Kaine is scared to death, and who wouldn't be?  He knows the liklihood that Kyron is never coming home and I guess he wishes he had watched Terri more closely.

I think it is the divorce attorney fees.

OS

Statement that Desiree and Kaine gave yesterday:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/KyronParentStatement072810.jpg)

Janet

Think presser with Family is tomorrow at 11 am Pacific time..

OS

Wasn't this from a few weeks ago?

Considering Terri has not been deemed a person of interest ... a suspect or  convicted of any criminal act ... considering Kaine and Terri have been living together over five years and Terri was a stay-at-home mom to Kaine's children ... I believe that she is entitled to 50% of the assets accumulated in that period as well as alimony.

In Canada that is the way it works.

Janet

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Little Boy Lost
Report airs Monday, July 26, 10 p.m./9 C on Dateline NBC
by Kate Snow
NBC News
updated 7/26/2010 6:51:10 PM ET
 
TRANSCRIPT

Kaine and Desiree eventually divorced. At first Desiree moved into a new place near Kaine's home in Portland. Little Kyron lived with her for the first two years of his life. But Desiree was sick with severe kidney problems.

Desiree says she went to Canada for treatment and gave Kaine temporary custody of Kyron. When she got back, still recovering and drowning in medical bills, they decided together that Kyron would be best off staying with his dad. She admits that, despite the anguish Terri had caused her in he past, she now thought Kaine and Terri could give Kyron a good life.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38420266

If I was Kaine, I wouldn't give Terri a dime until she told me where Kyron was!!! ::MonkeyNoNo::

Yes.  At that time Kaine stated that there would be a press conference every Monday and Thursday.  Was there a press conference today?

Thanks

Janet

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Kyron Horman’s Family Boots WW and The Oregonian from Bizarre News Event
1:04 PM July 1st, 2010
by James Pitkin

According to a reporter who stayed, the family went on to lay out more “ground rules” for the future. They said they’d hold these “news conferences” (if you can call them that) twice a week, on Mondays and Thursdays, as time allows. They would make prepared statements, answer some questions submitted in writing and may also do occasional interviews.

http://blogs.wweek.com/news/2010/07/01/kyron-hormans-family-boots-ww-and-the-oregonian/

Terri is an adult woman, a mother.  She is not a child and her husband is not her father.  I do not believe that it was his place to watch his wife to be sure she wasn't going to hurt someone.  After all, who would expect that she would?  Now it appears that it is quite likely that she did but Kaine isn't responsible for what she did.  If she needed medical care or psychological care, she should have gotten it and I don't blame Kaine.  I don't understand what Kaine was supposed to watch her for.  Was he to watch her to be sure she didn't murder one of the children?  How could that be predicted? Watch for what?  If a doctor thought she needed watching, she should have been hospitalized.  How could a husband who worked all day watch her?  Was he to quit his job to be her keeper? I don't see how "Watching" was possible if you didn't know what to watch for and you weren't even there most of the time.  He wasn't trained as a psychiatric nurse!

I believe there are people who are just born evil.  Nothing anyone does can change them.  I don't know if Terri was born evil, but I know that whoever took Kyron was and I believe it to have been Terri.  I've heard that Terri was adopted.  I wonder if her adoptive parents have any knowledge of her bio parents. KI wonder about her genetic makeup.

I do know that her actions screamed "Look at me, look at me!"  I doubt it was Kaine's idea to be married on a beach with the bride in a red bikini.  "Look at me."  The red squirrel, long flaming red hair. "Look at me!" The body building which I find grotesque, "Look at me!" I have a teaching certificate and I volunteer at school, "Look at me!  See how good I am!" And "Oh, Kaine bought me a red Mustang, look at me!"  I find her disgusting.
Over the top.  Narcissistic.

I do believe that financial assets accumulated in a live-in relationship of over five years where the partner/wife is a stay-at-home mom are considered "ours".

Do I have that right.

Janet

ITA

Here are is some info as it applies to Oregon State:

Property Distribution: Since Oregon is an "equitable distribution" state, the marital property shall be divided in an equitable fashion. Equitable does not mean equal, but rather what is fair. The court will encourage the parties to reach a settlement on property and debt issues otherwise the court will declare the property award.

In dividing, awarding and distributing the real and personal property (or both) of the parties (or either of them) between the parties, or in making such property or any of it subject to a trust, and in fixing the amount and duration of the contribution one party is to make to the support of the other, the court shall not consider the fault, if any, of either of the parties in causing grounds for the annulment or dissolution of the marriage or for separation.

For the division or other disposition between the parties of the real or personal property, or both, of either or both of the parties as may be just and proper in all the circumstances. A retirement plan or pension or an interest therein shall be considered as property. The court shall consider the contribution of a spouse as a homemaker as a contribution to the acquisition of marital assets. There is a rebuttable presumption that both spouses have contributed equally to the acquisition of property during the marriage, whether such property is jointly or separately held. (Oregon Statutes - Volume 2 - Sections: 107.036, 107.105)


Spousal Support: Not all cases involve support from one spouse to the other. The obligation of one spouse to support the other financially for a temporary or permanent basis is decided on a case-by-case basis as agreed to by the parties or at the court's discretion.

Transitional spousal support as needed for a party to attain education and training necessary to allow the party to prepare for reentry into the job market or for advancement therein. The factors to be considered by the court in awarding transitional spousal support include but are not limited to: (i) The duration of the marriage; (ii) A party's training and employment skills; (iii) A party's work experience; (iv) The financial needs and resources of each party; (v) The tax consequences to each party; (vi) A party's custodial and child support responsibilities; and (vii) Any other factors the court deems just and equitable.

Compensatory spousal support when there has been a significant financial or other contribution by one party to the education, training, vocational skills, career or earning capacity of the other party and when an order for compensatory spousal support is otherwise just and equitable in all of the circumstances. The factors to be considered by the court in awarding compensatory spousal support include but are not limited to: (i) The amount, duration and nature of the contribution; (ii) The duration of the marriage; (iii) The relative earning capacity of the parties; (iv) The extent to which the marital estate has already benefited from the contribution; (v) The tax consequences to each party; and (vi) Any other factors the court deems just and equitable.

Spousal maintenance as a contribution by one spouse to the support of the other for either a specified or an indefinite period. The factors to be considered by the court in awarding spousal maintenance include but are not limited to: (i) The duration of the marriage; (ii) The age of the parties; (iii) The health of the parties, including their physical, mental and emotional condition; (iv) The standard of living established during the marriage; (v) The relative income and earning capacity of the parties, recognizing that the wage earner's continuing income may be a basis for support distinct from the income that the supported spouse may receive from the distribution of marital property; (vi) A party's training and employment skills; (vii) A party's work experience; (viii) The financial needs and resources of each party; (ix) The tax consequences to each party; (x) A party's custodial and child support responsibilities; and (xi) Any other factors the court deems just and equitable. (Oregon Statutes - Volume 2 - Sections: 107.036, 107.105, 107.412)

http://www.divorcesource.com/info/divorcelaws/oregon.shtml

I ABSOLUTELY WOULD NOT EVEN GIVE HER THE TIME OF DAY UNTIL SHE TOLD ME WHERE KYRON IS!!!!!!!

Here is Terri's June 2009 FB Album...Please remember you have to be logged in to view each individually:

Terri's June 2009 Facebook Album:
http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=2026716&id=1264414625

Pages 1-6 as follows:

(http://i563.photobucket.com/albums/ss80/_Titch_/Kyron%20Horman/TMHFBJune2009Pg1.jpg)

(http://i563.photobucket.com/albums/ss80/_Titch_/Kyron%20Horman/TMHFBJune2009Pg2.jpg)

(http://i563.photobucket.com/albums/ss80/_Titch_/Kyron%20Horman/TMHFBJune2009Pg3.jpg)

(http://i563.photobucket.com/albums/ss80/_Titch_/Kyron%20Horman/TMHFBJune2009Pg4.jpg)

(http://i563.photobucket.com/albums/ss80/_Titch_/Kyron%20Horman/TMHFBJune2009Pg5.jpg)

(http://i563.photobucket.com/albums/ss80/_Titch_/Kyron%20Horman/TMHFBJune2009Pg6.jpg)

Considering it has been almost two months since the disappearance of Kyron ... I am getting a hinky feeling that although LE has probable suspicion that Terri is involved in a MFH against Kaine as well as the disappearance of Kyron but ... there is no evidence.  Think about it.  Terri has not even been deemed a person of interest.

I hope I am wrong.

Janet

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Reward In Kyron Horman Case Now $50,000
Missing Boy's Mother: 'Never Give Up Hope'
POSTED: 2:16 pm PDT July 27, 2010
UPDATED: 3:47 pm PDT July 27, 2010

"We continue to ask the community to look for Kyron and continue to provide tips," Moore said. "I understand that the public continues to be concerned for Kyron and curious about details of this case. It's a natural tendency for us all to care about the welfare of a small child."

Deputies haven't named any suspects in the boy's disappearance, but said a crime was committed.

"We believe that Kyron’s disappearance involves criminal behavior because his parents have been deprived if their son for 53 days," Reiser said.

http://www.kptv.com/news/24412926/detail.html


Sources: Probable cause to arrest Terri Horman
Posted on July 25, 2010 at 8:21 AM

The reliable sources, including people who have been interviewed by investigators, told KGW investigators said that there was probable cause to arrest Terri in connection with Kyron's disappearance, and for soliciting someone to kill her husband but the choice has been for the investigation to continue.

http://www.kgw.com/news/Horman-kyron-missing-gaps-portland-kiara-99181214.html

This picture is absolutely adorable! Brandi, I know the lighting is off a bit but hoping you can work your magic sugar! (Taken from Terri's June 2009 link just supplied)

(http://i563.photobucket.com/albums/ss80/_Titch_/Kyron%20Horman/TMHFBKyronKiaraSwing.jpg)

Thanks nicubird.

Janet

This one's cute too!

(http://i563.photobucket.com/albums/ss80/_Titch_/Kyron%20Horman/TMHFBKJ1.jpg)

Good evening monkeys! I have been on a self-imposed break from this case....it was really getting to me, so I took a break for a day and a half...
Now, I am wondering if there have been any new developments,or are things pretty much the same as when I left here a day and a half ago....anybody?
TYIA

Here's Terri's September 2009 Facebook Album.: (remember you have to be logged in to see each picture individually)

Terri's September 2009 Facebook Album:
http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=2037219&id=1264414625

Pages 1-2 as follows:

(http://i563.photobucket.com/albums/ss80/_Titch_/Kyron%20Horman/TMH-FBSept2009Pg1.jpg)

(http://i563.photobucket.com/albums/ss80/_Titch_/Kyron%20Horman/TMH-FBSept2009Pg2.jpg)

I'm going through alot of these pictures and can't help but wonder what the heck happened between 2009 til June 4, 2010? My gosh! Kyron appears so genuinely happy and Terri captures so many of his smiles. Wow...just wow.

Thanks Titch! Cute! Think how much Kyron must have missed James after he moved out. Bet they were Buds!

I don't think it matters either, whether they are at Disney or at the Family Fun Center & Bullwinkle's Restaurant in Wilsonville.

But I am sure that picture I was talking about (it is our thread topper in this thread) was at the Family Fun Center & Bullwinkle's Restaurant in Wilsonville.

There is another picture of them that day (same clothes) ...

(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/Kyron/kh3a.jpg)

I don't think they have a sign like this at Disney ;-)

I, too, want info to be correct.

But since I don't think where the picture was taken makes a hill of beans about where Kyron is, this is my final word on it ;-)

 ::MonkeyTongue::

I took a nap and am a few pages behind. Sorry if this has been settled by now ;-)

 ::MonkeyNoNo::What did go wrong? Everyone looks happy and Kiera is  a very

pretty little girl...I can not figure it out for the life of me...

Brandi, I was wrong...read my latest posts on it. You were right honeybunch. Please will you help me find her Disney Album...? I'm certain she took tons of snaps when they went to Disney. Why just put a few from Disney World in that one album? The pic of Terri & Kyron (there's more) are found in the June 2009 album. There's some of James too, all at the Bullwinkle's place. Then in another album are some pics from their trip to Disney World, but only a handful. The one I posted of James was taken at the Tomorrowland Speedway. That's why I assumed they were both at Disney, but I was wrong. Need help locating more albums. I just took screenshots of June 2009 & Sept 2009 that Nicubird provided. Now I'm taking screenshots from the December 2009 album & I'll post it shortly. Hoping you can do something great with these pics...

Just got caught up reading. Yes, I saw what you said since then ;-)

I am afraid the one thing I have not done on the Internet practically, LOL is to get involved with social networking sites such as facebook, myspace, etc. Never liked those sites. So I have NO experience in finding stuff there. I wish I could help, but I simply can't. And I also don't understand why people post their lives on those sites, so I probably have no idea why something is or isn't there.
 ::MonkeyNoNo::
But keep up the good work finding stuff for us!

Wanted to repeat this bc my error is getting quoted & I don't want Brandi to miss this:

Brandi, I was wrong...read my latest posts on it. You were right honeybunch. Please will you help me find her Disney Album...? I'm certain she took tons of snaps when they went to Disney. Why just put a few from Disney World in that one album? The pic of Terri & Kyron (there's more) are found in the June 2009 album. There's some of James too, all at the Bullwinkle's place. Then in another album are some pics from their trip to Disney World, but only a handful. The one I posted of James was taken at the Tomorrowland Speedway. That's why I assumed they were both at Disney, but I was wrong. Need help locating more albums. I just took screenshots of June 2009 & Sept 2009 that Nicubird provided. Now I'm taking screenshots from the December 2009 album & I'll post it shortly. Hoping you can do something great with these pics...

The pic of James that I posted with regards to Disney, was in another album...not the June 2009 album. It was in the James, Kyron and Quinn album. The June 2009 has the pics in it from Bullwinkle's. I confused them.

Titch, Thanks so much for posting these pictures! Everyone of the family looks happy. Terri doesn't appear sad, withdrawn or depressed in any of these pictures. What a Big Mess this is for all of them. Where in the world is Kyron?

bumped for cubbeegirl -

cubbeegirl I don't know if you were here during the Presser where they announced the reward was increased from $25,000 to $50,000 contributed by an anonymous donor.  Other than that nothing new was given.

Terri made an emotional appeal directly to Kyron.

Bottom line - where is Kyron?

nicubird supplied links to some pics & we were able to get the rest of the albums from them. I don;t post my life on those sites, either. As a matter of fact, I deleted my Facebook account about a month ago bc it was giving me agida lol! I opened a FB a/c that is generic & I only use it to explore other FB a/c's of people related to these missing persons cases. I'm taking screen shots of the December 09 album now...brb...

No she doesn't, and more notable - neither does Kyron! Where & when did this start? I know we can;t talk about the rumors bc it's definitely not an excuse - nothing in the worls could be excuse enough for bringing harm to another person, especially a child (kidnapping and/or murder). However, when we view her life as shown therough her posted pictures, she appears happy...then changed. You can see the change in the photos over the period of time. I think some of those rumors may be true. I haven't been able to validate them, though. Then again, maybe Terri is the one that started those rumors. I mean, think about it...she fibbed over an incredibly long period of time over various issues throughout life. If she can lie to everyone she knows about the time she met Kaine & how she entered his life and started watching Kyron, then she could certainly start a rumor suggesting Kaine's infidelity. If it's not true, then good for Kaine. But what about if Terri really was the originator of those rumors? What does that say about her? Is she trying to find justification? This is really really really off.....

http://www.katu.com/news/local/99594834.html
(http://media.katu.com/images/100729_kaine_kyron_family_photo.jpg)

WW report: Kaine wishes plot against him had succeeded

by Anita Kissée KATU News and KATU.com Staff

Originally printed at http://www.katu.com/news/local/99594834.html

TIP LINE - (503) 261-2847

PORTLAND, Ore. - Kaine Horman, the father of missing 7-year-old Kyron Horman, said he wishes his estranged wife’s alleged murder-for-hire plot to kill him had happened, he told the Willamette Week newspaper.

Although Terri Moulton Horman has not been named a suspect by police in the disappearance of Kyron, both Kaine and his ex-wife Desiree Young, have said they suspect her of having something to do with Kyron’s disappearance. Both were interviewed by Willamette Week.

Kaine’s revelation that he wished the alleged plot to kill him went through came after a reporter at the paper asked him how he felt knowing he was the one who brought Terri Horman into the family.

“I feel responsible. I feel guilty. It's my job to protect him. It's my job to be there for him. I was there for him and someone got past and got him on my watch. I'm very upset about it. I'm very emotional about it. It's not right. It shouldn't have happened. We all trusted her. I feel partly responsible. In a weird way, I almost wish that her plot that she originally put in place would have gone through, because he would still be here,” he said.

I belong to Facebook, but one thing I don't do there is post my family photos.  I have my own photos there and some pet photos, but no family members.

O/T I have a Klaasend Scared Monkeys facebook that has zero personal information on it.  I use it for missing persons research only. 

I don't trust Facebook or really any of the social networking sites.  People are getting way too free about posting all kinds of personal information on these sites.  I think it's a big mistake for many, especially the younger people.

I am sorry why Monkey only, lurk elsewhere, do they really think they have the inside info.  Give me a break....

IMO Equitable in this instance for someone who likely killed your son and tried to have you killed would be zero--zip--nada.  That's equitable to me.

I will say this Kaine Horman is not like he seems right now he is guilt ridden, devasted and so much more, after seeing the pictures from the 2009 facbook thank you for whomever shared that.
I feel guilty and sad for him, I don't know what happened to Terri but you can see something those pics were 2009 a year ago.

She knows, don't think she would do it otherwise wants the hits quite sure.

So do I!

Exactly!  If she wants something from Kaine, she's gonna have to face the music and answer some questions!

Klaas, this is so sad and tragic. 

Here's the pics from Terri's December 2009 Facebook Album: (remember you need to be logged in to see each picture individually)

http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=2045864&id=1264414625

Pages 1-5 as follows:

(http://i563.photobucket.com/albums/ss80/_Titch_/Kyron%20Horman/TMH-FBDec2009Pg1.jpg)

(http://i563.photobucket.com/albums/ss80/_Titch_/Kyron%20Horman/TMH-FBDec2009Pg2.jpg)

(http://i563.photobucket.com/albums/ss80/_Titch_/Kyron%20Horman/TMH-FBDec2009Pg3.jpg)

(http://i563.photobucket.com/albums/ss80/_Titch_/Kyron%20Horman/TMH-FBDec2009Pg4.jpg)

(http://i563.photobucket.com/albums/ss80/_Titch_/Kyron%20Horman/TMH-FBDec2009Pg5.jpg)

Maybe that is what being consumed with hate does to a person?

Odd photos here:

[link to primewriter.com]

Why is it that they have photos of just his shirt, pants, shoes, socks, and his glasses on there?

Monkey Justice!  ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyGavel::

You see, this is something I just don't get.

People are caring enough to follow missing children's forums, but don't want that information from one to go to another.

Makes NO sense to me.

The whole idea of discussing/researching a missing child is to help find that child.

Why prohibit that sharing of information if you really care about the child?!

*sigh* I just don't get it. Unless people have a different agenda.

Rant over.

Putting all the things Desiree said about her (not discounting it), this woman went from normal happy mom, to I don't know, something I personally haven't seen before in these (so hard to deal with cases), this woman went thru some kind of transformation.  NOT excusing her by any means.

So the public would know what he was last seen wearing, I do not think they are Kyrons.

(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a162/princess110473/11165_1298979395619_1264414625_898185_3996175_n.jpg)

Sad.  My son got the same Lego calendar this past Christmas, also.  Kyron reminds me so much of my son and they are the same age.

I am discouraged about Terri's request today.  It seems she is not willing to roll over.  I'm afraid whatever strategy is being used by LE in hopes she will come forward is not working.  The hard evidence will have to be found, since it won't come from Terri, imo.  - Poor Kyron could be anywhere!

Wouldn't you think she would be screaming to see her baby.  There hasn't been a single message that I'm aware of, not even through her lawyer, that she loves and misses her baby. 

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

SO well put Brandi, I don't pretend to know anything more than anyone, if I get something I share with the cage and tweeters, as they do with me. 
I am not going to say anything else don't want to start that about other forums, you will get it by this:
While we may not always agree, tension builds sometimes but very rarely is anyone riducled for thinking or saying how or what they believe, because quite frankly all we have our beliefs and insticts.

My fear with lawyer coming out with that LE doesn't have enough to arrest her, Lord I hope not.

Thinking about DeDe's short visit with the GJ the other day:  her attorney says that she's not hiding anything and is going to turn over cell phone and computer, etc. and the GJ "may" want to talk with her again in a couple of weeks.  Doesn't seem to be any urgency in all that.

Since this GJ is "investigating", I'm guessing they'll get the cell phone, computer, etc. records, check them out and then decide if they need to bring Miss DeDe back in for additional questioning.

Another thought...she was there a relatively short time, but certainly long enough to be asked what happened when she got the call and abruptly left work one day and where did she go and what did she do that took 1 hr. 45 min.  I bet the GJ already knows the answer to those questions.

Oh...to be a fly on the wall...


 

So Terri was already trying to find a hitman at this point  ::MonkeyEek::  I can see why Kaine didn't see it coming.

This is Christmas 2009

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/HormanXmas2009.jpg)

Titch, Where these pictures take at the time she was trying to hire the LS to do away with Kaine?  She looks like a normal happy wife and mother. I do hope her attorney will get her a Psych Profile. As a retired nurse I feel she needs meds and psych treatment.

I have a link to June 2010 photos for Terri's page.

Does anyone have the June 2009 link please?

TIA.

Brandi, I don't understand it either!  However, LE agencies often don't share information with each other.  I don't know why there has to be a competition for information where the life of a child is concerned.  That has always bothered me, too.

I hope not too!  I am losing confidence with each passing day/week.

Right! It infuriates. me. Think about it...Kaine, Desiree & Tony (along with everyone else in law enforcement) want Terri's friends to come forward with information - big or small. They think that even the tiniest tidbit could be something to consider. Their reasoning is that maybe one little thing alone might not figure out this mystery but all of the little tidbits of information put all togetehr could maybe help to figure out where Kyron is or what happened to him. Why do missing people sites do that...acting like you should feel guilty about sharing information? If a link is provided to give credit to where it originated, I see absolutely no harm at all. Most of the time, people following missing person's cases don't just belong to one forum. They'd belong to a multitude so as to gain better insight bc not only are they/we passionate about finding justice for these victims, alot of us also like the solving / connecting the dots portion of the investigation. I wouldn't classify it as fun, to me it feel like I'm spending my free time to do something constructive while halping a cause that I hold dear to my heart. When a crime of injustice takes place, it's bad. When that crime involves a child, an innocent dear sweet child, I delve in & become immersed with pulling as much info as I can & bringing it to light. Sometimes that hits a nerve, but I wouldn't be here if something didn't happen to me in my past. Same goes for alot of people, I'm sure. I still lurk on a few sites, I still post on WS, but it is here & with Blink that I now feel most comfortable. I made the mistake of listening to an admin on another site about a site that I now frequent. I will never make that mistake again. From now on, I follow my heart. Nowhere else in true crime forum world do people interact the way they do here. We disagree sometimes, sometimes it can get heated, but it always always always gets hashed out. Never since I've been here did an admin go on the rampage & delete tons of posts that could end up being pertinent, just bc somebody might have felt stepped on or just bc their opinion was different to that in which was posted. All the time, other site info is shared, links brought forth, and I simply cannot comprehend how one site that was just started a month ago could infer something negative about these 2 sites! It makes me ill.

Where is Kyron?

It is very sad about Kaine, Klaas!  I understand how he feels.  He feels that if he had been killed, Kyron would have gone to live with Desiree, and he would still be alive.  I feel so sorry for him and Desiree both.  They are feeling so very guilty! 

Yes, you're right....there's no other forum that is as comfortable as here...I give Klaas the credit for that - sometime's she deals a tough hand - but most of the time she let's us play within our parmeters...as long as we're good boys and girls!   ::MonkeyTongue::

Wow, Titch, I so agree with you about Scared Monkeys.  I love the freedom of information here.

It is upsetting to even think those are the pictures of what might have been Kyron's last Christmas. ::MonkeyNoNo::  I sure hope not.

Except for the somewhat disturbing lack of Kyron pictures and the over-abundance of Kiara pictures in the past year or so, (which may be normal, since people tend to take pictures of everything "baby" does) ...I find the pictures that I have seen to be of a happy family, financially well enough off to take their kids on many educational and fun trips and activities, and seemingly enjoying each other. I can certainly see why Kaine felt blind-sided in all of this since June 4, 2010.

http://www.facebook.com/album.php?id=1264414625&aid=2026716&s=0&hash=9d489e32b0948b06b079f4fade37bf78

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BUMP!!! Back at ya!! ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::

Brandi I think I posted in the photo thread. 

Oh, you are the best, thanks!

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Brandi - you certainly wouldn't think there were any problems looking at those photos. 

Kaine looks happy. His eyes are smiling. His arm around Terri.  A typical family picture.
Maybe it's just me, but Terri looks melancholy and her eyes are not congruent with her mouth. 

I noticed someone gave Terri an electric pancake griddle for Christmas. You don't think that would be enough to make her snap do you? 

::MonkeyDevil::

about the maps sorry if this has already been said, what the deal is with Mass. is a tweeter we have been looking at, another blogger and I mean to say, and mentioned to Anita she said LE knew.
DD that is why I was asking you about the airport thing- see if it means anything.  it is hard to figure out if you don't jump back and forth from twitter.  but they don't know each other and just WIERD...
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The Russia thing I have NO IDEA, about that one.  If you take the time to fit it all together it makes way sense know a lot of other monkeys have been looking at the same thing, I just didn't want to say anything if there was any truth to this.  Since Anita posted it, figure I will share.  IT IS ONLY A THEORY I KNOW NOTHING Personally.   

Those pictures are very puzzling.  They certainly look like a happy family.  Thanks for posting them.

I think Kiara is a beautiful child. And she, too, looks so happy in the pics. I don't understand how Terri can just let her go like that with no attempt to even visit with her.  This fact alone indicates to me that there is something dreadfully wrong with Terri.  I personally couldn't bear it.  I would probably die.

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

Did you notice in the pictures with Terri and Kyron, she never hugs or has a hand on him. 

(http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs115.snc1/4697_1178768230415_1264414625_509269_3248031_n.jpg)

This is from June 2009.

Kyron looks a bit uncomfortable, scared in this one to me. Maybe he was a tad too young for this particular outing.

Terri was certainly obsessed with CSI! ::MonkeyEek::

http://www.facebook.com/album.php?id=1264414625&aid=2026716&s=0&hash=9d489e32b0948b06b079f4fade37bf78

Am I the only monkey surprised that all these pictures are still up for people to see in Terri's FB account?

Don't most people in this kind of circumstance remove them or make the private?

If so, why hasn't Terri?

(Not real sure how things work on FB, though.)

Brandi, I haven't caught up since getting booted from my son's computer ((good gosh))...so, not sure if you have these yet or not:

Terri's June 2009 Facebook Album:
http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=2026716&id=1264414625

Terri's September 2009 Facebook Album:
http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=2037219&id=1264414625

Terri's December 2009 Facebook Album:
http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=2045864&id=1264414625

It sure does appear that way mchenry. Very very sad... I completely agree with you. I'm wondering if she's had displacement issues throughout her childhood. I also wonder if she had to try extra hard as a person that knows she's "adopted". (Not to be taken out of context anyone. I'm only wondering in Terri's situation if this could be something deeply rooted in her entire being.)

Good gracious, those pictures are beyond disturbing because they're so stinkin' normal.  And the Christmas ones, in particular, are troublesome because that was around the time she discussed the hit on Kaine, right? 

I don't think anyone *really* knows TH.  Wow.

I think it's because she needs to answer a few questions.  And she is too much of a freakin' coward to do it!

Thanks!

That's a great resource for pictures and links to pictures.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8203.0

Beyond bizarre they won't be up for long, wish I knew more about taking pictures from facebook, no pun intended there, bet you a million these are the ones she sold, or some of them.  I believe she sold pics, or maybe they (defense) wants us to find them?

I don't know which CSI Experience they went to but we visited the one in Las Vegas not too long ago.
I have no idea if the Experiences are the same set-up in each city but I could understand a 7 year being a bit apprehensive about the experience.
It's really not scary or graphic but if your little one is easily overwhelmed by lights/sounds/different activities going on around them it could be a bit overwhelming.
My teenagers loved it though!

I will say the crime scene portion of our Experience was rather dimly lit and I don't see very well at all in dimly lit surroundings, I had a hard time picking out certain clues that my kids saw right away!
I think that Kyron has some sort of vision problem but I don't know the specifics or how well his glasses address the problem.
If he was looking ahead, into a dimly lit section, that could contribute to anxiety, not being able to see as clearly as he'd like to.

The thing is, if she answers those questions, she probably won't get to see Kiara anyway.  She's just buying time...

They actually are private but with facebook there are ways to get in the back door.  That said I am surprised that she hasn't removed them.

Okay I notice something (not done looking at dec yet) but in the summer all kids were in pictures, then in dec look again just hold over the picture, if a caption is on Kyron his name is rarely mentioned and this would be right around the murder for hire plot.  Right? kind of a question there...

Both Kaine Horman and Stephen Houze's instructions are indicators why we have yet to hear Terri Horman's account of events encompassing the morning of June 4, 2010 in her own words.  Considering that two months later there is not arrest ... there are no charges ... could it be that we never will?

Janet

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Desiree Young: "I had feelings about this (Terri) when I got the (first) phone call"
June 29, 2010    

Terri may talk to the media

PORTLAND, Ore. – Terri Moulton Horman was “blindsided” by the divorce papers, according to a close friend.

A friend of Terri who wished to remain anonymous, told KOIN Local 6 Kyron Horman’s step-mother was caught off guard when she was served divorce papers as well as a restraining order from her husband and Kyron’s father, Kaine Horman.

“Terri didn’t know she was going to be hit with divorce papers or a restraining order,” the friend said.

The friend said Terri may consider talking publicly and airing her side of the story.

“She’s been doing what Kaine said all along and he’s been telling her to stay quiet. The public will benefit from hearing what she has to say.”

http://www.koinlocal6.com/content/news/topstories/story/Terri-Horman-called-911-during-police-sting/Dz4uMChK60KCWjy3W5FG4Q.cspx?p=5


Kyron’s Parents Describe Web of Deception from Stepmom (With Audio)
Saturday, July 10th, 2010

Terri Horman’s attorney, Stephen Houze, has told reporters neither he nor his client will comment on the case.

http://blogs.wweek.com/news/tag/desiree-young/

Brandi, something I noticed: The pictures from these last 3 albums posted show alot of smiling Kyron pics. Unfortunately almost every single comment is about Kiara. Why? Why on earth would people take the time to post on her albums, on various pictures, but barely any comments about Kyron & James...most of the comments from her friends & family are about little Kiara. It's very sad. It kinda makes me wonder if maybe she talked about the baby more. That could be understandable, as that's usually the way it is with baby's first milestones, but over a period of almost 2 years it's blatantly obvious that the other 2 were left out (with regards to acknowledgement). If people can log into FB and look at each individual picture, you can see each comment listed underneath those pictures...not just the album comments.

Going through the April 2010 Album of Terri's on FB, found this one.

I do hope she is joking with the attitude. The comment says, "I just don't even ask anymore..."

(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/Kyron/Image119.png)

I would have snapped?  If it had been a present from hubby ... no turkey drumstick for him!!

 ::MonkeyMad::

Janet

I noticed the same thing. 

I think she had no patience for Kyron.  The poor kid was not biologically hers and it seems like he became a nuisance to her.  Very sad.  My son does the same things and I think it's cute! 

Brandi, Try to go through all of the pages in the Pics Thread. We took screen shots of the album pages & links to the main album. When you click on the FB link, it will take you to the first page of that album. Then it shows how many pages are in it and you can click on 1, 2, 3, etc. Once you find what page you want to look at, you can click on the picture & it brings up the full size photo with it's personal comments & friend's comments underneath of it. It also informs the date it was added to the FB Photo Album. If there's a particular photo you're interested in, since you don;t have a FB a/c just let one of us know & we can pull it up to get the full screen capture for you...ok? I'm on the east coast, so sometimes I logoff early...

Thank you, Titch.

I think I have "squirreled" away sorry for the pun. LOL ... just about every image possible so far. I really don't want to look at the size of my folders containing these. LOL

Appreciate the instructions.

Who wants to wager by morning she will figure that at???  Facebook is really scary, personally I would never put my kids pics up have a friend that does everyday and he is such a cute toddler wish she and others wouldn't do that.

Funny Klaas should mention this. A few years ago I wanted one of those big griddles. My husband asked me what I wanted for Christmas, so in true spoiled brat form, I made a list! Haha. Anyway, on that list was a griddle. We have his, hers & ours - 5 kids combined. They love pancakes & bacon with Montreal Steak Seasoning on it! Well, my husband gave me the griddle a week before Christmas for 2 reason: 1) so that I had it ready to make breakfast the morning before Christmas as Christmas Eve breakfast has been tradition in our house since my kids were born (tons of pasta, seafood & rum cake at night)... and the 2nd most important reason) He said he gave it to me early bc if I would have opened it Christmas morning wrapped up as a gift I may have broken it over his head!

Sometimes it truly can be nice knowing my husband knows me so well...just sayin'...

Thanks for the post d in texas as it reiterated how most feel about Kaine.  Maybe I grew up a 'lil bit reading thru the last pages here and holding a negative thought about him for being so dramatic in what he said.

When I heard it today my first thought was I know you loved her but how could you let this woman take care of your children once she started to change?  And then my thoughts ran to that day, June 4th, and when she exchanged cars with him to accomplish a task and the exhibit was still at school when they went to pick Kyron up at the bus, and how she lagged behind him walking down to the bus stop and was acting oddly at the same time his son vanished ~ his son who she took very little interest in capturing in photos compared to 'their' little one . . .    Why didn't it compute Kaine? 

Maybe it just didn't cross his mind she had taken away his son.  With the timing I still find it odd he didn't know immediately she had to be involved.  The important thing about that point is if he was suspicious and had told everything to LE immediately, maybe they would have been able to put 2 + 2 together right away as everything was fresh then.

None of us are perfect.  And possibly it never entered his mind as to what she could have done.  And maybe he did tell LE right away about what he found odd.  We don't know.  I now see him as a father, vulnerable and thank goodness now coming around to where he is sharing his thoughts about what happened.  We don't have to like him to empathize {Sp} with him and appreciate the anguish he feels every day.  xox

Titch and others qoute getting pretty stacked--

What I saw too it wasn't just Kyron she didn't take much interest in her own son, looking at the pictures.

I think James knew his mother was off, can't get past that question he asked KH "if" anything bad happens can I live with you.  That to me is interesting for a teen ager to tell his stepdad, my kids loved my husband and same for him.  But that wording.

I really wonder just a thought if TH wanted Kyron to go live with Desiree full time, and Kaine wasnt' having it?  It was something that sent her over the edge.

ITA Txlisa,  And looking at that photo you posted we see he is a very industrious child, actively involved in life and wanting to learn and do everything he can to make the most of it.  I am totally touched by Kyron because of who he was as a person. God Bless him tonight wherever he is.

And I have to add that I do believe Kyron was exposed to so much in life with learning to develop his interests and knowledge.  Look at his bookcase behind him, chalk full in interesting looking things.  He was a boy on the go and I hope he still is.  The world needs more Kyrons.  xox

Thank you all for providing all of the photos. It was very sad looking at them. They "appear" to have been a very happy family. I also notice that the house always looks picked up and it looks like Terri makes a lot of the cakes, cupcakes etc. I really do not see too much with the lack of Kyron pictures once Kiara came along. What darling kids, all of them! I still cannot figure out Houze's game plan. It appears that Terri is not looking for Kyron, she may be selling his photos, and does not even seem to be demanding even supervised visitation of Kiara. How she can still have "friends", and I use that term loosely, is beyond me. Even her "friends" think it is great that she is not talking. Who does not talk when an innocent 7 year old is missing? Apparently not the step-mother or her cohorts. The whole lot of them should be thrown in the slammer for obstruction of justice.

My husband give me a money-belt two years ago for our 43rd wedding anniversary ... not flowers ... not candy ... not jewelry ... a money-belt.

The nicely wrapped package was the first thing I saw on my bedside table when I awoke.  As I unwrapped it ... he excitingly watch my every move anticipating my reaction.  I was honestly speechless when I opened it.  I did not know whether to laugh or cry as I gave him a hug.

His reasoning.  I would not have to carry a purse.  I had driven home from the mall a couple of weeks previous ... leaving my purse with my whole life inside it in the shopping buggy.  Thankfully an honest young man (16 years old) found it and turned it in to mall security.  I purchased a thank you card and enclosed a gift card inside as appreciation.  My words in the card "Your mother must be proud".

Janet

I've been wondering the SAME thing.

Thanks can! I posted and no sooner did I post than poof! Our electricity went out and just came back on....someone hit a pole or something...
So very sad...where is Kyron?

Janet, your post made me teary eyed. Wonderful that your husband's gift was from his heart (obviously). For the young man to return your purse previously lost is a blessing if I ever did see one. For you to provide him with a thank you note with a giftcard inside is just a double blessing & goes to show how wonderful people can be. What a sweet post!

DATELINE - KAINE HORMAN AND DESIREE YOUNG

Little Boy Lost
Report airs Monday, July 26, 10 p.m./9 C on Dateline NBC
by Kate Snow
NBC News
updated 7/26/2010 6:51:10 PM ET

TRANSCRIPT

Photographs of missing 7-year-old Kyron Horman provided by the family

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38420266

Does anyone know why T was asking about people that lived in Eugene that went to her high school? She asked on FB.  Was it to hand out flyers?

Good Night Monkeys

 ::MonkeyBike::

Janet
10:10 PM PT

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I scrolled through a page that saved her FB "wall" (I think they call it): http://ruthiessky.blogspot.com/2010/06/terri-moulton-hormans-facebook-wall.html

I have no idea why she asked this, myself.

Well, I don't know what to think of this, but I will put it out here for you.  I was in the shower, and I was thinking about Kyron.  Looking at all these photos made me sad.  I said,  "I'm sorry, Kyron.  Poor little guy!"  I got an image of his face, pale and scared.  He was shaking his head and shaking his finger back and forth like no, no, no.  I got words something like, "I didn't take the ring!  I didn't hide the ring!"  I think it was a ring because he touched his finger, and I got an image of a circular object.  Maybe it's nothing...  I don't know.

Bless their hearts I think the anonymous donor was Dateline.  And I hope it was, finally something used for good in these kind of cases....

G'nite Monkeys. Tomorrow is a new day, fresh eyes = sharper sight. Rest well everyone. May tomorrow bring new answers...

Kaine’s Feelings Now About Decision to Marry Terri (Updated With Audio)
9:24 AM July 29th, 2010 by James Pitkin

It’s one of the most sensitive and most personal of all the unanswered questions swirling around the case of missing 7-year-old Kyron Horman.

If the suspicions of Kyron’s father, Kaine Horman, are true — he believes Kyron’s stepmom, Terri Moulton Horman, is behind the boy’s disappearance — then how does Kaine Horman feel about the fact that he brought her into the family?

And what does Kyron’s birth mother, Desiree Young, feel now about her ex-husband’s choice, as she works closely with him to learn what’s happened to Kyron?

We asked Kyron’s parents those questions in an interview earlier this week. We’re posting their answers below, or you can hear the audio clip here.

In a related note, both parents told WW they’re seeking counseling to deal with the emotional aftermath of Kyron’s disappearance.

WW: Kaine, people wonder if you feel badly for having brought Terri into the mix in the first place.

Kaine Horman: Every day.

How does that play out in your mind?

Kaine Horman: I feel responsible. I feel guilty. It’s my job to protect him, it’s my job to be there for him. I was there for him and someone got past and got him on my watch. I’m very upset about it, I’m very emotional about it. It’s not right. It shouldn’t have happened. We all trusted her. I feel partly responsible. I in a weird way, I almost wish that her plot that she originally put in place [allegedly, to hire a landscaper to kill Kaine] would have gone through, because he would still be here. So I live with that guilt every day, and you know what, I turn it around, and I [make] it into something positive to go help find him. …  I’m not saying I feel directly responsible for it, but I feel really guilty about it. And I wish there was anything I could do to change places with him in any way, shape or form. My life to get him back, it doesn’t matter. I would do anything, I would give anything, and I always would. Up to this point I have always been there in that capacity. Anything bad that happens to him, I wish I could shoulder it for him, [that] I could take it away from him. I wish it would come to me instead of him. It just didn’t go that way this time, and I really wish it would have.


Desiree, do you have any thoughts about that?

Desiree Young: I think that all of us in this case that’s close to Kyron, all of us feel guilty to a certain degree about what it is that we’re going to feel guilty about. … I’ve been told by my counselor it’s very healthy and normal. It doesn’t feel normal, it doesn’t feel healthy, but you know, I feel guilty I wasn’t here to protect him. And that’s our job is to protect our son, and I feel like I failed in that.

Kaine Horman: I think that, you know, based on our history and everything that we’ve done, we have always done everything that we feel that we can do to do that for him, and limit the impact on the kids and really try hard to do everything we can to do what’s right for them. And up until this point I think we both felt, and I’ll speak for myself, but I think we both thought we were doing a pretty good job of that, and this happens, and I think we’re all – including Tony [Young, Desiree's husband] – I think we’re all just devastated, because we all worked so hard for them. And for us, we all get along, and that comes kind of naturally for us in this progression. But we go out of our way to make sure that they’re safe and taken care of and limit all this stuff. And to have this happen, I mean, we’re all just completely devastated by it.

http://blogs.wweek.com/news/2010/07/29/kyron-horman-update-kaines-feelings-about-decision-to-marry-stepmom/

I hate it when you all do that (not literally), it sends chills down back, and right before bedtime....  I can't imagine having that happen to me seeing things.  I do believe in that so this isn't making fun or anything like that.

 anitakissee
 
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SMs: & the comment/question in question was intended for a specific group. If I wanted it posted elsewhere, I would put here, on fb or there     11 minutes ago  via Echofon 

http://twitter.com/anitakissee

 ::MonkeyWink::

Borderline Personality Disorder Made Me Kill My Child
article at bottom of page.


Please give my post a read if you are still interested in TH pathology diagnose and motive I have been watching your posts about TH’s pathology for a while. I posted something at one point but no response. So I obsessed and researched further, picked 2 psychotherapists brain and would like to share my findings and theory.
I hope you find this interesting and maybe even helpful.

My theory about motive (which several of you have hit on ) will even make more sense if you are familiar with Borderline Personality Disorder or BPD. (links and snippets below)
I believe TH is classic Borderline with Histrionic features. Many of you who have thought/asked if she is a narcissist or sociopath…well…yes and no (IMO)

I checked in with my 2 psychotherapists friends one is a Dr. who specializes in the pathology  of “what makes a serial killer” (she has been the only  person to interview Richard Ramirez “Night Stalker”). When I asked them what their diagnose of TH was they both (separately) said Borderline Personality Disorder
This is the way it was explained to me.
If  Sociopathy had a sister it would be Borderline Personality . Most, not all, Sociopaths are men Borderlines are almost always women. Narcissism is quite pronounced in the borderline personality.

If I go with this diagnose her motive makes more sense to me.

Ok…using most of the alleged facts and accusations ….

Let's say Kaine did have an affair on TH, like he did on Desiree. Both affairs happened right around the pregnancy/ birth with both wives. So he is “allergic” to the moods of women with raging hormones. (if you read what BPD does to loved ones you may get even a clearer/different  picture in TH’s case …no justification here I promise what could have been going on in that home)

Terry realizing that he left Desiree for her would automatically think he would do it again and leave her too for someone new (and better in her mind) ( someone with BPD’s main fear is abandonment real or imagined)

As Kaine stated; they go to counseling. Supposedly get back on track... but here is where TH having BPD comes in a very deceiving way People with BPD are victims. They will act calm and ok while planning revenge on real or imagined wrongs committed on them. They will NOT stop until they get revenge.

At first she goes after Kaine (MFH) then realizes the “real and EVEN “(very important to BPD) way to make him pay is to make him live with the hurt she that has been inflicted on her (classic BPD blaming others). Since in her mind he was going to “abandon her and Kiara” and take Kyron after all she has done for them (BPD victim mentality) then she will do the worst thing she can think of and take (kill in my very sad opinion) Kyron away. (“They often feel victimized and will turn into a vicious persecutor at the drop of the hat)”

Oh and BTW this will take care of her hatred and revenge on Desiree to for making her raise Kyron yet not be the real mother (another BPD trait get identity through the care of others…but look out if you screw with them!)

So far this has been the only thing that makes sense as to why she picked on Kyron when she was supposed to be his mother...this is what Borderlines do some more extreme than others. Please read further.

(See link to informative site, but if you google it tons of sites will come up)
I highly recommend reading this if you want to see how she fits this profile.

http://www.bpdcentral.com/resources/mediakit/definition.shtml

snips from different site links;

"For someone with BPD, the potential loss of a relationship can be like facing the loss of an arm or leg — or even death. When their fears of abandonment seem to be confirmed, they may erupt into a rage, make accusations, sob, seek revenge, mutilate themselves, have an affair, or do any number of destructive things."

“It is very common for those who are non-personality disordered to be very confused by this alternating punishment/revenge/rage/anger/silent treatment and then “okayness” or calmness and relative civility. It leaves loved ones exhausted, feeling lost to themselves often, frustrated, hurt, and in some cases feeling like maybe they are losing their minds. Many wonder if the person in their lives with BPD is actually two or more people because the attitudes and behavior displayed in the all-bad side of the splitting cycle are so mean, cruel, often abusive, and so unlike who they thought their loved one was or who they still hope the loved one really is.”

Individuals with borderline personality can sometimes lapse into psychotic thinking when feeling hurt and rejected enough.
Borderline personality-disordered individuals can lapse into a kind of transient sociopathy.

Article;
Borderline Personality Disorder Made Me Kill My Child
Read more: http://socyberty.com/psychology/borderline-personality-disorder-made-me-kill-my-child/#ixzz0v8th1L9z
I find it hard to believe any mother would stoop to killing their child.  Apparently people diagnosed with borderline personality disorder have violent anger streaks.  They also will plan revenge for a long time with people they are angry with.  A person diagnosed with this disorder may seem normal until they get mad but when they do their anger is out of control.  Today on the news there was a story of a lady that called 911 cool and collect like it was no big deal telling the dispatcher she killed her children.  She then went on to describe where she is located and even urges the operator to get the ambulance there asap.  One of her children she reveals is still alive but bleeding to death.  This women sounds cool and worry free through the entire conversation until the ambulance arrives.  Once the ambulance arrives she asks the operator to tell the workers not to shoot her.   It appears this women was more concerned about what will happen to her then her own two daughters she just stabbed.  It also seemed as if she was trying to get back at her ex husband for divorcing her.  What do you think about stories like this.  Does her borderline  personality disorder diagnosis get her off the hook?  I can’t imagine any mother doing this to their child in there right mind.  On the other hand people do some pretty horrendous things for revenge.  Was this lately simply trying to get back at her husband? Was she upset because her two daughters wanted to stay with her dad?

TNONMB- wow you did that, very telling. 
I do have a question, the mother they are describing was from Tx. outside of Waco, and the call was beyond chilling.  What about Casey Anthony for example she won't tell what she did, Andrea Yates she did the same as your Tx mom, but the ones that don't Casey- elaborate kidnapping, Susan Smith-blamed it on a man, Diane Downs shot her children-blamed it on a man.  Sadly the list goes on...

What is the difference Personality wise on ones who call and say I just did this, to the ones who lie and act like nothing happened.

I am glad you have seen this side too. I know so many guys like him(maybe it's an Oregon thing) I hope you read my latest post on Borderline Personality disorder. I spend a lot of time reading your posts with questions about TH and how she could do this or Kaine and how he didn't see it. I think after you read my post (links /articles) some of those questions might seem to make more sense as they did for me.
All of the sudden last night at midnite it hit me...revenge....and then I remembered. BPD's want revenge for things real or imagined,I made a few calls and well....go check it out and let me know what you think.

While I am so very sorry that you had a rough time, Kaine is NOT your ex husband. Kaine has not really been inconsistent in his statements. People are taking things out of context, or simply misunderstanding his meaning.
He has been cleared by LE, and he does not want his vulnerable baby daughter to disappear as Kyron has. Her safety is just as important as Kyron's, and he is taking legal steps to protect her, his financial stability, and his home for his children. He's hoping Kyron can come back to his home, so Kaine is doing what he can to preserve it.There is nothing sinister or wrong with that.
Terri really left him no other option, due to her actions. And I'm sure Kaine is suffering quite a bit himself...far worse than any of us can imagine.

Hi Tnmomb,  I'm off to give a thorough read to you post.

I have known many people that had this BPD.  When I have shared their company is after they were diagnosed and on meds and could finally talk about it because they were suddenly back in the work a day world of employment.

I don't think I ever knew anyone who was bi-polar and in the throws of the disease unless I just didn't recognize it.  It is a wide spread disorder now that everyone knows what it is.  I'm bad I know, but don't think it is an answer to every problem a person has when there should have been no problem.  It might be seen in many different ways, this person who has a problem controlling their life because their personality is odd and constantly slapping them in the face. 

I could be all wet on my look into this problem of BPD and how it could have been an influence on Kyron's life and ultimately why what happened to him, did.  It is an easy catch-all diagnosis I think for people that have problems dealing with life issues.  Not to minomize it BTW. 

It could be this person we are focused on was downright evil, self consumed above all, working with every thought she had on how to maximize her self image.  If it benefited her she was happy.  When things went awry, watch out.  Diabolical, self-serving, her own interests more important than anything ~ that is what I read she was.  Could that be a signature for someone with BPD?  I doubt it.   The people I knew who had that diagnosis were very open about it, tried their best to succeed, knew if they went off their meds they would have problems and above all didn't hide anything about the disease.

I honestly don't know if Terri matches up to the likes of those I have known who deal with this day to day.  She just doesn't seem to fit the bill IMO.  Maybe she should be so honored.

xox

Hi Novella,  I understand what you are saying and appreciate your views.

Personally i don't think he would have ever been invited to be seated with and join the Knights of the Round Table had he lived in that day. 

Has LE actually cleared anybody in this case? I wish they would get on with clearing some looking at some in public, worries me they don't really know enough to go forward with anything and that is scary.

So, Terri wrote to Cook about the $350,000…probably checking how long it would take for that to get around and out in the public (backfired as that amount was incorrect)

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/07/terri_moulton_horman_wants_cou.html

Terri Moulton Horman wants court to order estranged husband to pay attorney fees
Published: Thursday, July 29, 2010, 5:05 PM
-snip-

Bunch said the $350,000 that Kaine Horman claimed his wife paid to criminal defense attorney Stephen Houze is "grossly inaccurate.''

-snip-

Terri Horman reportedly wrote to Michael Cook, a high school friend of Kaine Horman's who is accused of having an intimate relationship with Terri after her husband left the home June 26, that she paid $350,000 to retain Houze.

-snip-

I agree with you. And I hate to see him raked over the coals when he's a victim and not a suspect.

I hear ya! I really do and I am looking forward to your opinion after you read a bit more. In no way do I think any pathology is an excuse for the damage it causes, we all have a choice to seek help.. and we all have some kind of pathology somewhat driving us.  For myself I decided not to have a child until I worked on some my issues that stemmed from pathology(I always think that's a fancy word for personality). She could have Reactive attachment disorder from lack of bonding....we don't really know. I think what I am saying is there are degree's for sure...mix a little of this and a little of that and Bam!!!!

Also if she wasn't diagnosed as your friends were she is just being "driven" from that pathology. I also know 2 borderlines...one in recovery working on it and one that doesn't have a clue. I wouldn't live with my child with a borderline that has not been treated. For my money TH has almost every severe feature of an untreated Borderline. Most of my info coming from Kaines description,the MFH,
inappropriate sexual behavior,drinking and who knows what else, looking needy at the press conference just on and on ...it fits.
But again this is all my theory about what may have been driving her extreme behavior and how a mother could do something harmful to a child.  Cheers!

What a great question! I have some ideas but I am not sure why some BPD would confess and some won't. It may have to do with the "features" and how much they influence. i.e. narcissism. I will keep researching and would like to hear from others...here's the reason I think for Casey....

Casey is a Pathological Liar/Histrionic..possible borderline;possible anti-social but because there is no history of jail etc. that has yet to be determined....
A Pathological liar says whatever he or she wants to say with minimal concern for the truth. After all, it is all about them anyway. Such a person wants only what is best for them with little concern for others, to include, in the extreme, their own children. They lie about the little things, they constantly change their story while appearing to believe every new version they roll out for public consumption. While they may fool you at first, after all, we want to believe in others, once you get to know such a person you learn not to believe anything he or she says. You also learn never to expect this person to "confess;" it's simply not in their emotional vocabulary to do so. Many see a pathological liar as extremely cunning and totally self- centered, exhibiting the traits associated with someone said to have a histrionic personality disorder, one that includes attention seeking and inappropriate seductiveness. A woman challenged with this disorder is dramatic, enthusiastic and very flirtatious, even sexually provocative while constantly needing the attention of others, especially men. Because such a person may need constant stimulation and excitement, they often place themselves in risky situations.

I have noticed when I look deeper into the meanings of these disorders it paints a much bigger picture and tells a a lot. I am convinced TH is a borderline with histrionic features

Thanks for the interesting conversation. I am tired. Praying for our boy Kyron. Gonna go hug and kiss mine now. Good night

I think most women, if they are honest, would have to admit to having mood swings, especially during and after a pregnancy. It would be natural for any man to think that it was all tied in to fluctuating hormone levels and the stress of having a new baby. In fact, haven't women tried to educate men on mood swings and hormones being related to certain events in a woman's life?

SM is twisted placing her baby in front of a CSI pic with crime tape. It wasn't clever, it was cool, it was stupid.  :smt074

Interesting ... have been thinking Borderline Personality Disorder, and now it makes even more sense.

I understand.  Oddly enough, it isn't too disturbing.  I get a lot more emotional when I look at photos of his cute little smiling face.  He was so vulnerable! 

Someone said Kaine thought of him as a mini-me.  If he acted a lot like his father, it would explain Terri's growing dislike for Kyron.  It almost seems he became the scapegoat. 

Sorry if this has already been posted but I never saw this  before.

Kyron Horman's Father Says 'Small' Chance of Wife Being Innocent
Kaine Horman Says Estranged Wife Became Erratic After the Birth of Couple's Daughter
July 9, 2010

Article and video: http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/kyron-horm...ry?id=11124144

The father of missing Oregon second-grader Kyron Horman said there is little doubt that his estranged wife had something to do with his son's disappearance.

"I think the percentages are so small that I have no optimism in that regard, no," Kaine Horman said when asked if there was any chance his wife, Terri Horman, was innocent.

Kaine Horman said he feels betrayed. "I think we all do," Young added.

Young said she would hope Terri Horman would decide to give in and start talking.

"I would like to think not, because my son is involved. But I have the feeling that she will never ever give in," she said.

" I don't think she is going to tell the truth," Kaine Horman said.

"She hasn't told the truth for seven and a half years that I have known her," Young said.

Yes it would have been just as easy to take the mustang , they could have stop somewhere in the woods and just drop him off alive.
She could have said they were looking for frogs and he got lost and she looked for a while ( but didn't.)
  Not telling anyone this location would ensure his death because could's do it herself..
If she just said we got split up in the woods they might find him alive so she just didn't say anything.

 IMO, THIS WAY SHE DIDN'T REALY, IN HER MIND KILL HIM. SHE LOST HIM & GOT SCARED.

Good Morning all... Happy Friday.  There are some great discussions here re: personality and mental illnesses.  The difference with mental illness and personality disorders vary greatly. I was a job coach, trainer in day support program, and group home years ago for people with MR/MH diagnosis.  The folks ranged from schizophrenia to bi-polar. What I realized when working with this population is that regardless of the illness the majority knew right from wrong. Of course they took medications to control the behaviors. The people that had severe mania would have an outburst and hurt someone or tear things apart, and would feel bad the next day. Those that leaned towards sociopathy would manipulate to try and get their way and constantly lie, never feeling bad about their behaviors. They always made excuses or blamed someone else. They felt entitled. I personally,( and I am no expert) feel Terri falls in the category whereas, she does not feel bad and is a manipulator and liar. I feel it took many of us awhile to get here with her, Casey seemed much easier to pinpoint by all of us. Terri has had many more years of mastering her lying and manipulating. People that knew her propbably picked up on things from time to time but excused it. I think Terri's bio  parents may have some underlying issues. Who knows? Terri's bio parents may be murderers, I wonder if Terri knows her real parents are and what they are about?
I believe ,and this is all just observation and opinion that Terri's adoptive parents are decent people.  When it comes to nurture verses nature, I think this is nature.

Is anyone else having trouble getting into the MCSO site for booking info? I tried last night after midnight and it hadn't been updated, then this morning I can't pull up the site at all. I have it bookmarked and am using the same way to open it as I always have and also tried going there using info data from MCSO home page. This is the error:

Server Error in '/PAID' Application.
Configuration Error

Thank-you for posting all the pictures on FB of the family. While they do look happy posing for pictures with smiles on their faces, anyone can pretend and put a smile on their face for a photo. Means nothing to me, nobody knows what was all happening behind the scenes in the home, except for the family.

Yes, I'm getting the same error this morning but it was working fine last night for me.

I agree Norose, their are alot of smiling faces that are in pain, or masking the true feelings. Rarely do we get a glimpse of someone sad or in anguish when it comes to photos.

The main page works http://www.mcso.us/public/ , it's just the two online information sites that don't. 

Civil Process
http://www.mcso.us/PAID/CivilPapersStatus.aspx

Inmate Data
http://www.mcso.us/PAID/Default.aspx

Very true, to bad we don't get a glimpse of someone in anguish in a photo.

I totally agree - I know the psychopath I have in my life never feels bad about what he does - he does feel bad when he gets CAUGHT - which is totally different. He always has a "reason" why he did things - which always sounds good until you think about it. Everything is because of what he wants - people are tools to be used until there is no more use for them - then you dispose of them like any other used up thing taking up space in your life. They are scary creatures - mostly because they can fool even the smartest person for a time -and then feel no remorse for having used you.

Well! All I can say about that is  ::MonkeyTongue::

Excellent post Newfie! I feel the same way about Terri and wondered about her bio parents too.

BUMPING

Excellent post

Blonde, I am leaning toward this too. 

Klaas, Now I'm confused. Anita tweeted this a little while ago:

http://twitter.com/anitakissee
Put yourself in others' shoes: Would U want to B drug through mud & your prosperity threatened simply because of acquaintances? Neighbors?
about 6 hours ago via Echofon

Me: It's confused me a bit bc I know the only thing I brought over was who is who in that family. I informed Scared Monkeys & Blink that Anita interviewed their family and I then put out the correct info so it could be corrected on all of our ends. Anita set the story straight with regards to their family names & relations, etc. I cannot speak for Anita but I do think it's bc of the article stating where Brian was living, then the ripple effect of people wondering who could be involved vs not. When his son was put on tv for that interview, people all over the world jumped on the fact that he said his father was watching the news & heard that Kyron was missing, so he said something to his son. Then we went through all kinds of stuff, putting together some kind of timeline, etc...some of which has now been thrown out - including his a/c of (time) when he last saw Kyron. The information wasn't corrected in Blink's article and I think people at the KHOD wanted it corrected. But I don't understand why she should have to do that bc all of the corrected information is in the comments section of the online article. It was all a brainstorming session basically, and placed on a blog.

Anita, if you happen to read here: Blink, Klaas and all of us here have such huge hearts for these victims of injustice. Please take a look at all of the info here regarding Natalee Holloway's disappearance. That will definitely show the wide range of people that post here, everyone's huge hearts, several intelligent people, etc. You are correct in the fact that people can be brought into the mix of something bad simply by being an acquaintance to a poi in a criminal matter. I, for one, happen to think that's how DeDe was brought into this particular case. It's my personal opinion that she's innocent of any wrong doing & her advice to her friend Terri was nothing less than educated as she happens to be a cop's daughter and she believes/d in Terri's innocence. With regards to your Pumala post, it was very informative & corrected alot of things. I brought over some of it to set the story straight. I apologize if you didn't want it taken to another site, but I don't understand why that would be a bad thing bc it corrected the misinformation put out there prior. Anita, you are highly esteemed, an incredible journalist...your awards & education speak miles...so you should be able to see how wonderful these two sites can be. Please, if you ever get a chance, take a gander - not just this case, but many others. I highly suggest starting with the Natalee Holloway forum. The technical information alone is enough to write a best selling book. Some of us have different perspectives. Some of us have different levels of knowledge with regard to our majors or areas of intelligence based on our careers or familial backgrounds. However, ALL of us have incredibly HUGE hearts. There's a missing child out there somewhere. I personally think he's deceased, but there are many people that think otherwise. I, for one, hope they're right - would LOVE to hear Ky's found alive! I'm sorry you were offended that your informative post was brought over. As soon as I saw it, I hurried to supply it so that the information could be corrected. It's completely corrected in the comments from everything that I saw. I even changed my opinion, and sooo many other people did too. Maybe you're referring to other posters as well? Idk...I can only speak for myself. Instead of just looking at one portion, please read through the whole thing to see the bigger picture. mI can't speak for everyone else, but I in no way shape or form believe Brian is involved in this. Nothing even points to him. Tons of people went on a tangent, myself included, when his son was placed in the media spotlight. Alot of information was misleading that even his son provided...misleading bc of time lapse, etc. The police didn't release alot of info, so alot of people took his son's account as factual. His grandmother was quoted as saying the police &/or fbi didn't want him giving interviews but she put him out there anyway. I understand she just wanted to help find this dear sweet boy, she has a good heart, etc. But the fact remains that some of this information her grandson has/d could have been used for all we know...then he put it in the national spotlight by doing that interview. It's like a catch 22 - damned if you do & damned if you don't. I am asking you, from the bottom of my heart, to please reconsider Klaas & Blink. These people are good caring people. Your information was copy & pasted by a multitude of people, not just myself, and placed all over the worldwide web. There are much more harsh things people have said posted elsewhere, I mean really harsh stuff. The comments section of Oregon Live is enough to make somebody wanna throw a keyboard & punch a monitor! But there are many other true crime forums that are just so way off base that it's ridiculous...and they have lawyers using their real names posting there! You'd think they'd know better, especially considering the info they put out is sometimes found to be erroneous & corrected...but not corrected by them - instead corrected by us the forum commenters. I just worry that you segregating SM & Blink might be just a little bit unfair. I mean this with all sincerity. Some of the very best journalists get it wrong sometimes...even you...it's how we all learn & grow. Instead of fighting against us, please consider brainstorming with us. Some of our posts are very informative and backed up with fact...not just hearsay. When we're dealing with legal docs, all of the time links are found to coincide with this information. Sometimes that can help a journalist from having to foot the bill pulling background checks & such. I'm asking you to please consider having an open mind and looking at these two sites from a different perspective. Please don't just glance over one tiny section. Please look at them as a whole & then determine if it's worth your time or not. For what it's worth (& I'm nobody to you so that really may not mean much), I think Blink is an incredible person. Her coverage of Caylee Anthony is amazing (several other's too)...also Morgan Harrington & Jennifer Kesse, so many more... Klaasend - same thing! Please reconsider your opinion. Anita, irregardless of what opinion you have on this matter, I still believe you're an incredible journalist & have an extremely bright future ahead of you...one in which has only just begun in the bigger scheme of things. I apologize for the longwindedness (is that even a word?).

Klaas, I'm very sorry for the off topic post. It was the last thing I thought about last night & the first thing I thought about when I awoke this morning. My last thought should have been about my children. My first thought this morning (since I decided to login here) should have been about Kyron. It's kind of defeating the purpose if any of us are on here & not posting about Kyron (or another victim). Again, Sorry for the ot & back on track now.

WHERE IS KYRON?

Welcome  ::MonkeyKiss::

I found this on a different site
I was reading the comments and came across this: http://www.facebook.com/?ref=logo#!/...0831264?ref=ts

If you go down to the status update about today's presser, in the comments, someone who lives in the area posted about a child she has seen living with a group of homeless people in the Portland area who strongly resembles Kyron. She states she called the tipline but nothing was done and the child is still in the same area with the same people. Read it, it is pretty interesting.

Thanks, Klaas. I could get the main page, but not the inmate booking data. Is it possible they have taken it offline on purpose? Because they have booked someone they don't want made public yet? I don't know that much about what computer errors mean. I am probably just being paranoid (or too hopeful). LOL

Titch - I understand where you are coming from but I honestly don't care what Anita Kissee tweets.  Anita Kissee has a bit to learn about the internet.  She may or may not be a good reporter but she's naive if she thinks anything on the internet is private.

Now about DeDe, I'm inclined to believe DeDe was suckered into helping her friend.  It's very possible that DeDe has no actual knowledge what Terri did with Kyron.  It sounds like she is cooperating and I feel that her father will make sure of that. 

tnmomb--Very interesting, but based on a premise which may or may not be true.  Do you have a diagnosis if Kaine did not cheat?

Yeah they could have taken it offline on purpose but honestly, it's probably just a server glitch.

WOW!

I am getting a  response that that page can not be found. It directs me to my on facebook page????? 

Good Morning Monkeys!

Terri was born in Grass Valley, CA right?  I have family there and my Grandfather told me that it was a big hippie drug haven in the 60's and early 70's.  He told me Charles Manson might have lived there for a while, too.  I don't know if that is true, but it was a big hippie/stoner place to live.

That's true.  And that's what's dreadfully wrong with her. Under normal circumstances Kyron would be alive and the family as happy as they appear to be in the pics.  But she is a coward.  You are 100% correct.

Me too ,I can't find where it say's that anywhere DAM

Is it possible for someone to copy that page to here.  I do not have a fb account anylonger..so I can't see it...noe can anyone else with out FB acct.

TYIA

I agree, Klaas. I also agree with DeDe...just not sure about involvement in concealment or if it was involvement by default (assicental by acquaintance). I'm wondering if all she did was give Terri some kind of advice as far as lawyers go, etc. Getting a supoena for cell records is easy. A child is missing and happens to be step-child to one of her friends. Since she was in contact with Terry on June 4th, I can't see the police not having her records. That's why I wonder about her involvement. If it was deep, then wouldn't Terri have been arrested by now? While every bit of my intellect says Terri did something to Ky, what about if I'm wrong & she didn't? I personally think she's involved to the highest extent & it's why she's not talking bc she knows anything she says can be used against her. The police, as well as others, stated she was cooperating before she obtained counsel. I personally don't think she was cooperating bc the info she gave didn't match up with the info the MCSO had (her path that day, cell pings, then the sexting, etc). It's been said that DeDe stayed with Terri for awhile after Ky's disappearance. Do you have any idea when she went to stay with Terri & when she left? I can't verify the dates. I read a few places she went there on the 28th? I also read that they really weren't as close as Terri suggested but still friends...but that maybe Terri exaggerated the depths of their friendship. Then I've read the rumors surrounding them, not quite sure what to think about that...it just doesn't jive with what I have.

Something to look at, though... One of those albums that I posted shows James working on landscaping at Lincoln HS. He was putting mulch on a plot (tree plot). I wonder if they all used the same landscaping people (contractors). I think I read that the Portland Public School System used the same landscaper or contractor for all of their school..or that they "shared" a landscaper. If that's the case, then this landscaper referenced was known for a very long time...if that's how Terri met him. Also, in that album, there are more pictures of the Horman's property on Sheltered Nook Rd. They did some major bush puling, according to what Terri wrote. I wonder if they did that themselves or if they hired some help. I'll post them in a sec (the larger pics)...gimme one sec...brb...

I said wow based on the post from Blonde. I haven't logged into FB or checked the link yet. I'll try it now...

Good morning Newfie and Tex...

I wonder about her bio parents too. There was a movie some years ago (I know there is a newer one, but I like the old one) "The Bad Seed."  It was of course fiction, but it reminds me so much of Terri.  In synopsis, a child was a thief and a murderer, but could appear perfectly normal and sweet.  Her mother had been adopted.  The mother would occasionally have flashbacks about hiding in a cornfield while a woman with a knife who had killed her entire family was searching for her to kill her too.  The premise was that the murderous gene had skipped a generation and manifested itself in the child, Rhoda.

I know how far-fetched this is and I am not for a moment trying to say this is what's wrong, if anything, with Terri.  It just makes me wonder about her bio parents.  If when she was born, she was born in the midst of druggies and born to one, perhaps it affected her psychological makeup, maybe exposed to drugs before birth. I have no reason to believe this and don't believe it as true.  Just thinking of a possibility. I do wonder about the circumstances of her birth, though, and if there were some kind of problem with her bio parents.

I told the poster on this other site that I'm a member of ,that I can't find this post she posted back  this back to me ..

You have to scroll through a lot of comments. It sounds like things are happening there. It could be attention seekers, but they are posting that LE has responded and media may be coming.

That facebook link is saying "page not found".  I would really love to see who posted that.

Blonde - that link is not working, can you post the link again please?

pd--You said exactly what I have been thinking, but couldn't quite find the appropriate words to do so. 

Blonde - please repost the link.  The first link you provided doesn't work.

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Missing-Kyron-Horman/125336750831264?ref=ts

You have to scroll through a lot of comments. It sounds like things are happening there. It could be attention seekers, but they are posting that LE has responded and media may be coming.

If you open up the comments on that status (it is announcing today's presser, was posted last night), the most recent comments appear and they are about what is happening.

Or the link to the "other site" you found it at.

Thanks Blonde - going through them now but I have to run out for a bit.  I see some psychics are posting but I haven't gotten to the original yet.

I just keep remembering all the Caylee sightings.

Good morning, Seahorse.  That was my thought too.  How inappropriate to take those children to some kind of murder exhibit.  They should be interacting with Mickey Mouse, not dead bodies.

This is the fb and fb photo of the person claiming the homeless story.  I'm skeptical:

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1700452035

(http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/hs338.snc4/41777_1700452035_3091_n.jpg)


Be back in a bit

I found the comment but not sure how to post the screenshot?

I agree.  When I consider Chad Stavley's words ... I suspect that DeDe Spicher may be the catalyst that will blow the Kyron Horman case wide open.

Janet

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Officials to share information into Oregon boy's disappearance
By the CNN Wire Staff
July 27, 2010 9:17 a.m. EDT

Spicher appeared before an investigative grand jury in Portland on Monday, according to her attorney, Chad Stavley.

Stavley, who told HLN that he was retained Friday, said Spicher was not asked any questions by the prosecutor but was ordered to return at a future date.

A statement released Friday by Kaine Horman and Kyron's mother, Desiree Young, described Spicher as someone who "has been in close communication with Terri [and] has been providing Terri with support and advice that is not in the best interests of our son."

The statement also described Spicher as uncooperative in the investigation and "going as far as to suggest to others that may have information regarding Kyron's disappearance not to cooperate as well."

Stavley disputed those comments Monday, saying Spicher has been "extremely cooperative" with police as they executed search warrants on her home and car. He said she also met with the lead investigator in the case last week for more than three hours.

He added that Spicher is not speaking to Terri Horman.

The Oregonian reported that detectives have asked Spicher about her whereabouts June 4.

According to the newspaper, Spicher was doing gardening work for a Portland homeowner when she "abruptly left about 11:30 a.m."

The homeowner tried reaching Spicher on her cell phone, the newspaper reported, but got no answer. Spicher returned to the house about 90 minutes later, the newspaper reported, citing detectives.

Stavley declined to comment Monday on what Spicher was doing during those 90 minutes.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/07/27/oregon.missing.boy/index.html?eref=mrss_igoogle_cnn


Attorney: Spicher shared Terri Horman emails, texts with cops
Posted on July 26, 2010 at 12:09 PM
Updated today at 3:04 PM

Stavley also told NBC Dateline Monday that Spicher had been, and planned to keep, cooperating with investigators. He said that she had already shared text messages and emails sent to and from Terri with detectives.

"I would be, frankly, surprised if Terri Horman did not eventually face charges in this case," Stavley said. "I'd be surprised if the indictment didn't come down."

http://www.kgw.com/news/local/DeDe-Spicher-testifies-before-grand-jury-99252004-kyron-horman-missing-portland.html

Some landscaping at the Horman's home...Klass - this is in reference to my prior post. There a couple of pics of James doing some landscaping at Lincoln HS. If you want them, just let me know, but they can be found at the same link. Supplying the pics just to get a better look at their property:

http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=2037219&id=1264414625

(http://i563.photobucket.com/albums/ss80/_Titch_/Kyron%20Horman/TMHLS1.jpg)

(http://i563.photobucket.com/albums/ss80/_Titch_/Kyron%20Horman/TMHLS2.jpg)

(http://i563.photobucket.com/albums/ss80/_Titch_/Kyron%20Horman/TMHLS3.jpg)

(http://i563.photobucket.com/albums/ss80/_Titch_/Kyron%20Horman/TMHLS4.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub8/crazysmlley.gif)

on you computer hit print screen it's up top right then go to paint and click paste then save it crop it and put it in photobucket

(http://i824.photobucket.com/albums/zz170/Mom_Sho/misc2/fbcomment.png)

Thank you Blonde! I used the snipping tool and put it in PB.

Have to run...bbl (step son's bday today)...I see the comment but it's also not the first. She also stated it on a prior article from a few days ago, at least it appears that way. I'm sure the police are looking into it, especially now. I sure hope it's Kyron but I've veeery skeptical.

BBL monkeys!

do you know who's facebook page it is  I am checking now

Thank you Gizzie for the screen shot! Have a great day honey!

I'm looking for more of her posts.

(http://i824.photobucket.com/albums/zz170/Mom_Sho/misc2/fbcomment2.png)

Wow, it would be awesome if it was Kyron!

Thanks!! You too!!   ::MonkeyBike::

That is what I believe has happened to DeDe also, and if it is, I hope she can repair the damage done to her name.

(http://i824.photobucket.com/albums/zz170/Mom_Sho/misc2/fb3.png)

I agree too.

Looks like this was her last post.

(http://i824.photobucket.com/albums/zz170/Mom_Sho/misc2/fb4.png)

 CSI The Experience, at MGM Grand in the Studio Walk is very well done and Terri and Kaine must have thought it was appropriate to bring the kids, it does recommend ages 12 and up, but that was there decision to make a family day there. It is actually an interesting learning experience.

My opinion on DeDe is out until she lets police know where she was on June 4th.  I hope she is not seriously involved.  I guess we'll have to wait and see.

If I saw a homeless child living in a vacant lot, out in the elements, no shelter, no provision for food, sleep, etc. I wouldn't post it on Facebook or wherever that was, I'd dial 911.  So would anyone else confronted with the same situation.  This is another hoax and whoever would play these games about a missing and likely deceased child is pond scum.

Reminds me of the airport sighting of Caylee.  The nut who reported it said that she asked the little girl her name and she said Caylee Marie Ant'ny. 1.  If a person kidnaps a child, that child will not be paraded out in the open or in a vacant lot.  2.  That child would not be allowed to speak to anyone.

This is so cruel to Kyron's parents but I'm sure they are intelligent enough to know this is a hoax.

ITA!
My kids really enjoyed it!

I'll bet they did  ::MonkeyCool::

Ditto. You know, all kids are different. My 8-y-o son LOVES mysteries and thrillers, scary stories, etc, and he is much more curious about the 'how' things work (ie, he would wonder what stops first, a brain or a heart). IOW, he is so analytical that he wouldn't even mull over the emotional elements of death/destruction/mystery that many of us would. He simply enjoys the "inner workings" of events and ideas, and I'm okay with that as long as it's not an obsession. Now, my 7-y-o son, on the other hand...would run out screaming!! LOL

I agree. I hope that Tony, being a detective, has cautioned Desiree and Kaine that this type of unfortunate hoax (intentional or not) happens frequently in these cases.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Yes, it was their decision to take their children to a CSI exhibit.  Actually, that was my point.  I am of the opinion that they, especially Terri, haven't shown a lot of responsibility in choices for Kyron.  After all, he is missing.

Exactly all kids are different, and with all the pictures being shown, both Kaine and Terri were able to and kind enough to take the kids on vacations, not all families are able to do that.

The "real time" booking logs aren't available but the "24 hour booking log" is still available for me. You won't be able to see today's bookings, but yesterday's booking log (and all previous days this week) is available as a pdf.

http://www.mcso.us/public/booking_log.htm

Because both parents took the kids on outings, outings that they seemed to enjoy? One can only take so much of Mickey Mouse and the gang. I don't understand what is the difference where they took the kids on vacation, at least they did and spent time with them, a lot of parents don't do this for various reasons.

 :bigup: Babybear!

 Yes, I agree children should be intertained by Mickey & Mini and not dead bodies.  Children's minds should be carefree.

 ::MonkeySkate::
 

ITA no rose. Also, if you look at the some of the other pictures in that album, you will see that the CSI expo was held at the Oregon Museum of Science and Industry (OMSI). The family spent time involved in the other exhibits as well (according to the pictures in the album). It wasn't totally a CSI day. I personally find no issues with the choice of activities in these albums or the pictorial representation. The one thing I noticed that is different in the 2009 albums and the 2010 albums is the way the photos are tagged. In 2009 Kyron's full name was used. In the 2010 albums, the name is truncated. It may have no significance whatsoever, or it may be a sign of distancing; however, I absolutely saw no indication that the past could lead to this present circumstance.

All you say is true. they certainly did seem to take their children lots of places and they all seem to be enjoying it. And some children might do well being taken somewhere which is not age appropriate.  However, the last place where Kyron was taken didn't turn out too well.

Sorry about the big quote box so I will post below thsi...

Could it be that out of a misguided sense of loyalty to a friend ... Dede assisted Terri on the morning of June 4, 2010 in a cover up AFTER something bad happened to Kyron?  Could the time revealed in text messages and emails explain DeDe's sudden departure from her landscaping job?

Janet

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Terri - Gym

Sources detail stepmom's timeline on day Ore. boy vanished
Story Published: Jul 24, 2010 at 9:04 AM PDT
Story Updated: Jul 24, 2010 at 9:14 AM PDT

At 11:39 a.m., Terri checked in at a 24-hour Fitness in Beaverton on Waterhouse Avenue and worked out for about an hour until 12:40 p.m.

By 1:21, Terri claimed she'd traveled home[/color] - a distance of nearly 11 miles - and was posting photos on Facebook she'd taken that morning of Kyron standing with his science project and of his friend, Kurtis, standing with his.

http://www.komonews.com/news/local/99168554.html


Terri - Gym

Gaps in how Terri Horman spent June 4
Posted on July 26, 2010 at 10:22 AM
Updated Monday, Jul 26 at 12:50 PM
 
There are some things she did that day that were confirmed.

She went to the gym for about 45 minutes that morning and arrived home about 1 p.m. to post pictures from the science fair on her Facebook page.

http://www.kgw.com/news/Horman-kyron-missing-gaps-portland-kiara-99181214.html


Where was DeDe?

Investigators put pressure on Terri Moulton Horman's friends, including DeDe Spicher
Published: Thursday, July 22, 2010, 7:50 PM
Updated: Friday, July 23, 2010, 9:48 AM

Detectives learned that Spicher, who shares Terri Horman's passion for fitness and gardening, was doing gardening work for a Northwest Portland homeowner on June 4. She abruptly left the house about 11:30 a.m. and didn't return until an hour to 90 minutes later.

Another person working at the home called Spicher to come in for lunch, and the homeowner called Spicher on her cell phone but she wasn't reachable. Detectives have questioned both the homeowner and the other person who was working at the home that day.

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/07/investigators_put_pressure_on.html


DeDe - Text Messages and Emails

Attorney: Spicher shared Terri Horman emails, texts with cops
Posted on July 26, 2010 at 12:09 PM
Updated today at 3:04 PM

Stavley also told NBC Dateline Monday that Spicher had been, and planned to keep, cooperating with investigators. He said that she had already shared text messages and emails sent to and from Terri with detectives.

"I would be, frankly, surprised if Terri Horman did not eventually face charges in this case," Stavley said. "I'd be surprised if the indictment didn't come down."

http://www.kgw.com/news/local/DeDe-Spicher-testifies-before-grand-jury-99252004-kyron-horman-missing-portland.html

When I look at the pictures I see a family that appears to enjoy different outings, and were lucky enough to go on them. The kids all looked well fed and taken care of physically.

Well no that day at school certainly didn't turn out well at all.

Yes, many parents can't afford to take their children on expensive vacations.  Terri and Kaine were lucky to have been able to have the wherewithal to do so.  However, I don't think that family time should be spent in activity such as viewing crime scenes.  Just as certain TV shows are not appropriate, neither are some exhibits.  IMO it is Terri who has an inordinate interest in crime and it was at her behest that they even were at that exhibit. 

I suppose this is just another instance where I can't agree with the prevailing opinion.

Does anyone remember reading anything about Terri saying she was adopted and maybe when and some info. on that. I know adoptions are sealed, but maybe she had an open adoption or maybe she did some on line research about her bio parents. Not that I want to drag anyone innocent into this, I am just trying to understand the nature verses nurture dynamics re; Terri. By the way all very intelligent and caring posts by all. I find myself wishing in this case as I did in the others that if we could just get the truth, we will find the child.  Even if it means bringing home a dead child the truth might help us to prevent this from happening again, by examining the suspect and taking note of even the subtlest signs.

FWIW, I agree with you.  I have a not very adventuresome child.  She would totally not dig a CSI tour.  It's hard to tell from pictures if Kyron was enjoying himself there.  I haven't seen the CSI exhibit, so can't say for sure if it was too scary. But, in general, I think our children are exposed to too much today.

All kids definitely are different!
When we went to The CSI Experience my kids were 14 and 17 and totally into it.
My daughter at 7 would have been able to handle it, she's always been more mature than her chronological age & very little fazes her.
My son at 7? He probably would've found it a little overwhelming, not because of the content but because of how much was going on around him.

I honestly don't remember it being all that creepy or graphic though.
But I was looking at it through the eyes of a parent with teenage children.

Everybody has different thoughts on raising kids and what is appropriate and what is not. And no matter what you do inside your home you have no control what your kid is watching at his/hers friends house, even if you think you do. Kaine must have been alright with this since he was the one working and paying for trips.

I am in agreement Babybear.  You and I would not have made the same decision as Kaine and Terri but ... it was their call.

On Wednesday evening hubby and I took our four grandkids (7-12) to the movie "Indispicable Me".  It was great ... enjoyed by all.  Reminded us of "Up".  Anyways there was a young couple (30's?) standing in front of me in the ticket lineup with two little guys.  After conversing with them for a couple of minutes ... I learned that the four of them were going to a Twilight movie.  I inquired as to the ages of their sons.  The answer ... seven and nine years of age.  Apparently ... these boys had been taken to another Twilight movie and loved "being scared".

Janet
 

I agree.

Something happening following the birth of Kiara that changed everything in regards to the dynamics that once implied by ALL indications a very close family.  IMO.

Janet

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Kyron Horman's blended family: Friends describe a close, supportive group
Published: Saturday, June 19, 2010, 5:36 PM
Updated: Saturday, June 19, 2010, 6:46 PM

According to friends and family, the Hormans are a tight-knit, loving family that enjoys doing things together.

They play board games, go bowling with friends and take trips. In 2009, they visited Walt Disney World in Orlando, Fla. Late last year they went to the Roloff Farm in Helvetia where the reality TV show "Little People, Big World" is filmed. And recently, they peered at the animals at the Oregon Zoo.

Terri volunteered at Skyline School, where Kyron was in second grade, and she took him to swimming lessons with James and with Kiara.

"They're very nice people," said Adam Farber, who runs a swimming school and taught Kyron to swim and worked on strokes with James. Farber had no idea until he went missing that Kyron was Terri's stepchild. "They all fit in really well." ....

Family and friends say she is a focused mom.

"She's a pretty attentive mom," said Tarver, her first husband.

Her second spouse, Richard Ecker, has kind words to say about her as well: "She was always a gifted teacher. She did as much for the school and the kids as she could."

He couldn't imagine his ex-wife doing anything to harm a child.

"She would never hurt a child," he said. "She's not wired that way."

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/details_emerge_about_the_day_k.html

According to Kaine Horman's own words .....

Janet

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Kaine Horman: "Terri was a good person when we first met"
Posted on July 16, 2010 at 12:12 PM
Updated today at 1:56 PM

In his response to questions from KGW, Kaine acknowledged that people have commented about 'how could he marry a woman like this' and how could he 'not see this coming.'

In response, he wrote: "Terri was a good person when we first met and for several years (I’d say up until 2008). She was always about children (teaching) and helping them grow and develop. Her attitude was always about those types of things first, her own self not even being a priority close to that. I believe that this is the Terri that everyone else saw and got to know as I did."

"Honestly everyone, including myself, that knew her or knows her did not see this coming. She was not the type of person we are seeing right now," added Kaine Horman.

"There were some signs of emotional distress here and there over the past year and a half but not enough of that directed at any one person to conclude she would be capable of anything even remotely close to events of the severity we have all seen."

http://www.kgw.com/news/Kaine-Horman-Terri-was-a-good-person-when-we-first-met-98620944.html

Thanks, very sad whatever happened along the way.

ITA!  Living in a school garden?  Mmmmkay!  ::MonkeyEek::

LOL! ::MonkeyDance::

Anyone hear about a report on a police scanner? Not going to spread rumors. Just wondering about a post I just saw.

No, I never listen to the police scanner.

Kyron Horman's mother and father to speak today
Posted on July 30, 2010 at 8:51 AM

PORTLAND -- The mother and father of missing Portland seven-year-old Kyron Horman are once again pleading for help to find him with a news conference planned for Friday morning.

"We love you Kyron, never give up hope," a choked up Desiree Young said from the Multnomah County Sheriff's office at a briefing on Tuesday. "We are all coming to get you to bring you home."

Kyron Horman's parents are scheduled to speak at 11 a.m. PT. Watch live coverage on NWCN or click back here for live streaming video.

Desiree told People Magazine this week she thinks someone is holding him alive. Desiree and Kaine Horman made several appearances this past week from the sheriff's news conference to a Dateline NBC special.

READ: Family statement (.pdf)

The reward for information that leads to missing Portland seven-year-old Kyron Horman was doubled Tuesday from $25,000 to $50,000 by an anonymous donor.

Multnomah County Chief Deputy Tim Moore and Captain Monte Reiser appeared with Kyron's mother Desiree Young, father Kaine and step-father Tony Young and delivered prepared statements during the 2 p.m. press conference. No questions from reporters were allowed.

DETAILS: Read police transcript

"We believe that Kyron’s disappearance involves criminal behavior because we have (the) parents that have been deprived of their son for 53 days," Moore said.

Investigators said they'd made "significant progress" in the investigation, and reaffirmed their belief that Kyron's disappearance involved "criminal behavior." Investigators said 11,000 man-hours had already been put into the case and 3,500 tips had been received since the boy disappeared from Skyline Elementary on June 4, in what has become the largest search effort in Oregon's history.

Speaking for the family, Desiree Young said they remained confident in law enforcements' efforts to bring Kyron home and to bring to justice to whomever was involved in his disappearance.

No suspects or persons of interest have been named in the case, but attention has focused on Kyron's step-mom, Terri Moulton Horman. She was the last person to report seeing Kyron after dropping him off. Detectives had not interviewed her since she retained high profile criminal defense attorney Stephen Houze in July.

In court documents, the boy's father Kaine Horman stated police had provided him with "probable cause" to believe that Terri was involved in Kyron's disappearance, plotted to have Kaine killed, and was having a sexual affair.

At Tuesday's press conference, Moore reiterated that authorities believe Kyron's disappearance involved criminal behavior, and that they were not aware of any similar case in the Northwest.

Last week, police searched the homes of three friends of Terri's to look for evidence. One of those friends was identified by Kyron's parents as DeDe Spicher. Reliable sources said police think Spicher has information about Terri's whereabouts on the day Kyron disappeared.

A statement from Kaine and Kyron's mother Desiree Young also said Spicher is not cooperating with the investigation, but she appeared before a grand jury after a subpoena Monday and her attorney said she would continue to cooperate.

Earlier this month Kaine had Terri evicted from the family's NW Portland home and he returned to the home with Kiara.

http://www.nwcn.com/news/oregon/Kyron-Horman-Kaine-Horman-Desiree-Young-99629489.html

Go ahead and post it with the warning that it could be total BS

Reminder - in 30 minutes Kaine and Desiree will be speaking.  I'm assuming it is their PC and not an LE PC:

http://www.katu.com/news/live

lol.. how sweet!  on the want-list of my youngest son one year was.. an electrical mixer with all the lil doo-dad attachments.  around 11 years old.   ::MonkeyEek::  well he got that, along with other stuff he wanted.  Little did I know then that we had an aspiring cook.  Today he is a chef at a fancy schmancy restaurant, with aspirations of owning his own restaurant one day. 

Is the PC televised or just livestreaming? 

Any wonder why marriages are down with today's youth?  One spouse does everything right, stays loyal, faithful, works his/her butt off to support the family, the other goes off screwing around, and the good spouse loses half.  (I know, I know, the word "equitable" is in there.  Believe me, that means differnent things to different judges and, most of the time, means 50/50 if the spouses are unable to agree).  Good grief. 

O/T - Wyks, that is so cool that your son is a chef!

I have to go to KGW for live stream.  I don't have the plug-in for the other one.

Also will be streamed here: http://www.koinlocal6.com/content/mediacenter/default.aspx?videoId=3969&navCatId=4

I wonder who the woman in the blue dress with red hair is?

I am pages behind so if this has already been discussed, sorry.

I think so too, Newfie.  As far as Kyron enjoying the CSI exhibit, I can only go by the difference in his expression when his pic was taken at Disney World with Disney characters and his expression at the CSI exhibit.

Since Terri was the big CSI fan, I'm sure it was her idea.  It was probably, "whatever Terri wants, Terri gets" in that household.

I think that's probably the case and since it was posted that it was not appropriate for children younger than 12, I would believe that the operators were in the best position to judge if it were age appropriate for younger children. I personally would follow that advice. 

As far as I can tell by the evidence we have so far, Kaine bent over backwards to please Terri.  Maybe he didn't want another failed marriage.  Yes, "Whatever Terri wants, Terri gets."

If televised I suspect only locally but I really don't know.

Get ready!

http://www.katu.com/news/live

http://www.katu.com/news/live

Has begun streaming. Not started the PC yet.

HLN (CNN) is covering the press conference with Kaine and Desiree.

Janet
10:59 AM PT

Klaas, you are RIGHT ON about Facebook and all of the social netorking sites.  For the life of me, I can't understand why people find it so appealing to post details of their lives for the world to see.  And people think it's free.  Not so fast--you pay with some of your privacy.

Here's an article that was just posted today.  People who are social networkers should check it out, and then ask themselves, if they could use PHOTOGRAPHS of every dollar they have in place of the dollar itself, would they post photographs of their money online?  I think not.


Another ugly reminder to check your Facebook settings — NOW!
Latest privacy brouhaha comes with a lesson we should have already learned

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38474945/ns/technology_and_science-tech_and_gadgets/

http://www.koinlocal6.com/content/mediacenter/default.aspx?videoId=3969&navCatId=4

Conference should be starting any minute.....

http://www.kgw.com/live-stream

KGW's live stream

Has not started yet

They both look much more solemn than ever before today.

What we know about Terri Horman (please note that anything that hasn't been 'offically' reported will include caveats):
She was adopted by Larry and Carol horman, date unknown (but it was buried somewhere int he lost FB posts) - assumed to be approx 40 years ago.
She was married twice previously, Ron Tarver - college sweethearts, (James Father) Married in Roseburg in 1991, divorced in 1995 & Richard Ecker, 2nd husband, who adopted James in?
past elementary school teacher
raised Kyron since infancy
Bio Mother to 19-20 mos old Daughter with Kaine
Bio Mother to James - 16 y/o
Frequent volunteer at Skyline school
Active on FB & WOW

Kaine is much more emotional today......heart breaking

I agree. They both look so close to breaking down.

Can't blame them for that. They have been strong.

(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/Kyron/Image141.png)

Indeed.  If it were me, I do not know how I could get out of bed and put one foot in front of the other.  My heart breaks for them.

I couldn't get the PC to run, can someone please post a summery of what was said?

Thanks!!  The tweets sent that don't actually make much sense except for the sender/receiver are very interesting to me.  The part above that I bolded, could mean everything to Kyron's case, could be nothing at all except oranges/apples.. or something else.  lol   Still interesting to keep in mind.  IMO.

I can't get the PC feed I'll let you know after the PC...it's probably bs (it's not the homeless boy tip) I am checking it out until then

Well, they said the online communication is important.  Are the police aware of the tweet by DeDe that included a video link of a boy with water, the one that said boy+dirt+water=heaven?  It was posted right after Kyron's disappearance.

 :smt100 :smt102
Can't get the pc to load and do not know what is going on? :gaah:

http://blogs.wweek.com/news/2010/07/30/kyrons-parents-in-touch-with-oprah-but-say-they-wont-take-money-for-story/
Kyron’s Parents in Touch With Oprah but Say They Won’t Take Money for the Story
11:08 AM July 30th, 2010 by James Pitkin

The parents of missing 7-year-old Kyron Horman tell WW that producers for Oprah Winfrey have contacted them. But Kaine Horman and Desiree Young say they won’t take money for the story of Kyron’s disappearance.

“We wouldn’t sell it,” Young said in an interview Tuesday.

“Oh yeah,” Horman agreed. “It’s not about money.”

While they said they’ve been in contact with producers from The Oprah Show, they said they’ve received no offers yet for book or movie deals.

Money has been an issue since July 26, when Kaine Horman filed papers in his ongoing divorce requesting to know the source of $350,000 that his wife, Terri Moulton Horman, allegedly paid her criminal-defense lawyer. According to The Oregonian, Terri Moulton Horman’s lawyer filed a response Thursday calling that reported amount “grossly inaccurate.”

Kaine Horman told WW he has no idea where his wife got the money.

“When you find out, call me,” he said. “I want to know.”

One possibility that’s been suggested is that Terri Moulton Horman’s parents, Larry and Carol Moulton, may have taken out an additional mortgage on their $175,500 house in Roseburg. Terri Moulton Horman moved into that house with her parents around July 16.

But according to the Douglas County Assessor’s Office on Wednesday, the last time the Moultons refinanced their home was in 2008.

I'm sure they are going over all of DeDe's stuff with a fine tooth comb. 

One of our members captured it before it was deleted.  I'm ashamed that I do not remember which of our monkeys captured it.

I really hope that PC is available for viewing later.  I want to capture the part of the video where Kaine was almost in tears talking about the pain Kyron could be going through right now and how that is way more important than any inconvenience others might be having if dragged into the case by Terri (as in DeDe).  It was a powerful statement from Kaine.

Wasn't it you who captured it, sassifrass?

Claycat - what I'm saying is that I'm sure investigators are already going over ALL of DeDe's correspondence.  It's great if we have it captured but I'd bet investigators have it as well.

It's over, TG.

This twitter page has some major points tweeted: http://twitter.com/KGWNews

I am sure a write-up will be on the news websites soon also.

He barely held it together when he speaking about that.  So heartbreaking to watch.

It was given to DeDe from someone at the farm, was it Rosement Farm, or something like that. It was called Muddy Boy and it was an innocent video taken by the kid's mom along with two other videos. It was cute.