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Title: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 - 8/04/10
Post by: Nut44x4 on July 29, 2010, 07:15:41 PM
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Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: no rose colored glasses on August 02, 2010, 11:09:42 AM
 ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: Missiontoconvict on August 02, 2010, 11:23:37 AM
 ::MonkeyAngel:: Praying we find you soon Kyron.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: no rose colored glasses on August 02, 2010, 11:43:49 AM
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/08/02/earlyshow/main6736423.shtml   Interesting article don't know if it has been posted.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: Lifesong on August 02, 2010, 11:44:22 AM



Quote from: sassifrass on July 29, 2010, 01:21:55 PM (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8311.msg1194871#msg1194871)
Quote
The monkeys made it on the TH support page.   

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Terri-Horman-Support-Page/131975590176118#!/topic.php?uid=131975590176118&topic=162

Terri Horman Support Page Mary~ I also want to point out online at Scared Monkeys is some of Terri's friends if you look into it most of Terri's friends are Christians and go to church. <snipped>

When I first saw this post a few days ago, I just shrugged it off.  Now, however,  I've had some second thoughts.

So...  I'm just going to ask, both out of curiousity and in the interests of full disclosure.

Are any of the posters here friends with Terri, either in real life or online?  Anybody posting here been in communication with Terri either presently or in the past?



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: no rose colored glasses on August 02, 2010, 11:51:51 AM



Quote from: sassifrass on July 29, 2010, 01:21:55 PM (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8311.msg1194871#msg1194871)
Quote
The monkeys made it on the TH support page.   

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Terri-Horman-Support-Page/131975590176118#!/topic.php?uid=131975590176118&topic=162

Terri Horman Support Page Mary~ I also want to point out online at Scared Monkeys is some of Terri's friends if you look into it most of Terri's friends are Christians and go to church. <snipped>

When I first saw this post a few days ago, I just shrugged it off.  Now, however,  I've had some second thoughts.

So...  I'm just going to ask, both out of curiousity and in the interests of full disclosure.

Are any of the posters here friends with Terri, either in real life or online?  Anybody posting here been in communication with Terri either presently or in the past?


Certainly not me, when I follow cases, I just read, never would I inject myself with any person involved in cases, I wouldn't know what to do if I did anyway  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: Claycat on August 02, 2010, 11:54:49 AM
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/08/02/earlyshow/main6736423.shtml   Interesting article don't know if it has been posted.

That's very interesting, no rose!  I didn't realize DeDe was actually living with Terri during that time.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 02, 2010, 11:57:43 AM



Quote from: sassifrass on July 29, 2010, 01:21:55 PM (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8311.msg1194871#msg1194871)
Quote
The monkeys made it on the TH support page.   

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Terri-Horman-Support-Page/131975590176118#!/topic.php?uid=131975590176118&topic=162

Terri Horman Support Page Mary~ I also want to point out online at Scared Monkeys is some of Terri's friends if you look into it most of Terri's friends are Christians and go to church. <snipped>

When I first saw this post a few days ago, I just shrugged it off.  Now, however,  I've had some second thoughts.

So...  I'm just going to ask, both out of curiousity and in the interests of full disclosure.

Are any of the posters here friends with Terri, either in real life or online?  Anybody posting here been in communication with Terri either presently or in the past?



.... or friends with Kaine or ... in communication with Kaine?

Janet


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: no rose colored glasses on August 02, 2010, 11:58:06 AM
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/08/02/earlyshow/main6736423.shtml   Interesting article don't know if it has been posted.

That's very interesting, no rose!  I didn't realize DeDe was actually living with Terri during that time.
For ten days, I was wondering when friends of DeDe were going to speak.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: Claycat on August 02, 2010, 11:59:04 AM
About the tweets at the end of the last thread - The person DeDe was tweeting is a chef from Massachusetts.  That person was in Portland for a few days in June.  I have an idea Pea and DeDe may have met at Rosemont Farms, because it looks like she may have visited there during the trip.  Pea has got a nice blog.  I don't believe she has anything to do with Kyron.

Blog:  http://pastrypea.blogspot.com/


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: no rose colored glasses on August 02, 2010, 11:59:49 AM



Quote from: sassifrass on July 29, 2010, 01:21:55 PM (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8311.msg1194871#msg1194871)
Quote
The monkeys made it on the TH support page.   

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Terri-Horman-Support-Page/131975590176118#!/topic.php?uid=131975590176118&topic=162

Terri Horman Support Page Mary~ I also want to point out online at Scared Monkeys is some of Terri's friends if you look into it most of Terri's friends are Christians and go to church. <snipped>

When I first saw this post a few days ago, I just shrugged it off.  Now, however,  I've had some second thoughts.

So...  I'm just going to ask, both out of curiousity and in the interests of full disclosure.

Are any of the posters here friends with Terri, either in real life or online?  Anybody posting here been in communication with Terri either presently or in the past?



.... or friends with Kaine or ... in communication with Kaine?

Janet
That could be also Janet, didn't think about that.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: Kat_Gram on August 02, 2010, 11:59:53 AM



Quote from: sassifrass on July 29, 2010, 01:21:55 PM (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8311.msg1194871#msg1194871)
Quote
The monkeys made it on the TH support page.   

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Terri-Horman-Support-Page/131975590176118#!/topic.php?uid=131975590176118&topic=162

Terri Horman Support Page Mary~ I also want to point out online at Scared Monkeys is some of Terri's friends if you look into it most of Terri's friends are Christians and go to church. <snipped>

When I first saw this post a few days ago, I just shrugged it off.  Now, however,  I've had some second thoughts.

So...  I'm just going to ask, both out of curiousity and in the interests of full disclosure.

Are any of the posters here friends with Terri, either in real life or online?  Anybody posting here been in communication with Terri either presently or in the past?


Not I. I would never join a TH Support group. Slap in the face to Desiree/ Kaine/ Tony. Or try to worm my way into any online thing to try to get info.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: no rose colored glasses on August 02, 2010, 12:00:16 PM
About the tweets at the end of the last thread - The person DeDe was tweeting is a chef from Massachusetts.  That person was in Portland for a few days in June.  I have an idea Pea and DeDe may have met at Rosemont Farms, because it looks like she may have visited there during the trip.  Pea has got a nice blog.  I don't believe she has anything to do with Kyron.

Blog:  http://pastrypea.blogspot.com/
Thank-you


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: Claycat on August 02, 2010, 12:00:44 PM
Pea's tweets make total sense, if you look at her blog.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: Claycat on August 02, 2010, 12:01:41 PM
About the tweets at the end of the last thread - The person DeDe was tweeting is a chef from Massachusetts.  That person was in Portland for a few days in June.  I have an idea Pea and DeDe may have met at Rosemont Farms, because it looks like she may have visited there during the trip.  Pea has got a nice blog.  I don't believe she has anything to do with Kyron.

Blog:  http://pastrypea.blogspot.com/
Thank-you

 ::HelloKitty::  You're welcome!


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 02, 2010, 12:18:27 PM



Quote from: sassifrass on July 29, 2010, 01:21:55 PM (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8311.msg1194871#msg1194871)
Quote
The monkeys made it on the TH support page.   

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Terri-Horman-Support-Page/131975590176118#!/topic.php?uid=131975590176118&topic=162

Terri Horman Support Page Mary~ I also want to point out online at Scared Monkeys is some of Terri's friends if you look into it most of Terri's friends are Christians and go to church. <snipped>

When I first saw this post a few days ago, I just shrugged it off.  Now, however,  I've had some second thoughts.

So...  I'm just going to ask, both out of curiousity and in the interests of full disclosure.

Are any of the posters here friends with Terri, either in real life or online?  Anybody posting here been in communication with Terri either presently or in the past?




Hi Lifesong

IMO ... no matter what side of fence each Monkey is on in regards to Kaine ... it appears the entire cage is on the same page in regards to Terri ... the same page which reads that this woman is refusing to disclosed the truth regarding the disappearance Kyron ... the truth which she possesses knowledge of.  In other words ... no Terri supporters.

The red flags began waving for this wannabe detective when "Sources" reported that cell records revealed Terri was not forthright with authorities regarding her whereabouts on the morning Kyron went missing.  Then there is a polygraph issue.

Janet

++++++

Sources: Search for Kyron Horman Focuses on Step-Mom, Cell Records
4:52 PM June 17th, 2010


WW has learned that federal, county and city law-enforcement officials say the reason for the search of Sauvie Island is that cell-phone records reveal Kyron’s step-mother, Terri Moulton Horman, may have been on the island the day he disappeared.

http://blogs.wweek.com/news/2010/06/17/sources-search-for-kyron-horman-focuses-on-step-mom-cell-records/


PORTLAND, Ore., July 9, 2010
Kyron Parents: We Suspect Stepmom
Say Publicly for First Time They Think She Was Involved in His Disappearance; Also Say She Flunked 2 Polygraph Tests


.... Young says she doesn't think it's possible she and Kaine could be wrong about the suspicions they harbor. "You don't fail a polygraph twice if you're not guilty," she asserts. "I can tell you what I ate that day, and she can't tell you where she was."

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/07/09/earlyshow/main6661166.shtml


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: Blonde on August 02, 2010, 12:19:59 PM
Kyron Horman's Parents Confirm New Leads Kaine Horman and Desiree Young are convinced stepmother is involved. 08/02/2010
More at link


http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/kyro...leads-11303832


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: suzyinpgh on August 02, 2010, 12:23:14 PM
I think Terry and Dede had a much closer friendship than Kaine new of.   I read somewhere (don't remember where) that Kaine thinks they only saw each other occasionally, like every couple of months.  But, then I hear that she helped plan her 40th b-day party.  She immediately moved into the house with Terry when Kaine moved out.  Like I said...there's more to the friendship.  Also, Kaine did say that he didn't know what Terry did while he was at work.  I think there's a lot that Kaine doesn't know.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: klaasend on August 02, 2010, 12:23:21 PM
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/08/kyron_hormans_parents_remain_h.html

Kyron Horman's parents remain hopeful their son will return home

Published: Monday, August 02, 2010, 8:23 AM     Updated: Monday, August 02, 2010, 8:34 AM

Kyron Horman's parents told a national morning show they hold out hope for their son's safe return.

Desiree Young and Kaine Horman spoke with NBC reporter Miguel Almaguer for a segment that aired on the Today show this morning. Young said it is difficult to enter her son's bedroom knowing the boy is not with his family.

 ::monkeyscissors::

Today segment:

Visit msnbc.com for breaking news, world news, and news about the economy



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: sassifrass on August 02, 2010, 12:30:04 PM



Quote from: sassifrass on July 29, 2010, 01:21:55 PM (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8311.msg1194871#msg1194871)
Quote
The monkeys made it on the TH support page.   

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Terri-Horman-Support-Page/131975590176118#!/topic.php?uid=131975590176118&topic=162

Terri Horman Support Page Mary~ I also want to point out online at Scared Monkeys is some of Terri's friends if you look into it most of Terri's friends are Christians and go to church. <snipped>

When I first saw this post a few days ago, I just shrugged it off.  Now, however,  I've had some second thoughts.

So...  I'm just going to ask, both out of curiousity and in the interests of full disclosure.

Are any of the posters here friends with Terri, either in real life or online?  Anybody posting here been in communication with Terri either presently or in the past?




nuh uh, no way in heck. the thought of that scares me!  ::MonkeyShocked:: IMO, I think they are watching the site and posted that when the conversations about Kaine and his infidelities came up in discussion. I didn't take it literally, that one or so of the Monkeys were friends of TH.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 02, 2010, 12:30:34 PM
The following quotes tells me that Terri lacks a conscience ... lacks the ability to empathize ... possesses not remorse.

The little boy Terri has raised since two years of age is missing and ... he is not her focus.

Janet

++++++


Police: Terri Horman's 'sexting' mirrored talk with landscaper
Posted on July 13, 2010 at 3:48 PM

 
Similarities to Murder-for-Hire plot

Monday's court filing also stated that police had told Kaine that Terri's "sexual overtures to Mr. Cook resemble those made to the man Respondent (Terri Horman) attempted to hire to murder Petitioner (Kaine)."

In the original restraining order filing, Kaine stated that police had told him Terri had tried to hire a landscaper to kill Kaine.

http://www.king5.com/news/local/Police-Terri-Hormans-sexting-mirrored-talk-with-landscaper-98369624.html


Kyron’s Parents Describe Web of Deception from Stepmom (With Audio)
Saturday, July 10th, 2010


Shortly after her son, Kyron Horman, disappeared June 4, most of the missing 7-year-old’s family was in shock. There was one notable exception, Young says — Kyron’s stepmom, Terri Moulton Horman.

“She’s talking about her hair that she just got done, and they put highlights in, it turned out a little too orange,” Young recalled in a tape-recorded interview with WW Thursday evening. “I can’t get up every morning, put on my makeup or function even remotely normally, and she’s talking about going and getting her hair done.”

Young says she suspected Terri Horman may have been involved in Kyron’s disappearance from the moment the stepmom called her to tell her the boy was missing. And Horman’s behavior after the disappearance heightened those suspicions.

“Every single day, we’d wake up, we’d gather up, and we’d just go and start doing stuff (to help find Kyron). And she was always just kind of behind,” says Kyron’s father Kaine Horman, who also sat for the WW interview. “It wasn’t about, ‘what can we do?’ It’s about, ‘what’s being done to me, or what about me?’ It was just kind of more centered around her.”

http://blogs.wweek.com/news/tag/desiree-young/




Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: Kat_Gram on August 02, 2010, 12:32:23 PM
I thought she only took one Lie Detector. They found something, evasive or unclear orout and out lie.  Then she went to do the second one and left before it was administered. I dismiss alot of what Desiree says about Terri. She " felt" that Terri had something to do with it from the first phone call. Those two have too much of a history that might have been worked out and accepted as it was the only way to operate. But when this happened, Desiree's feelings came to the forefront again.
..
BUT, Tony was in the house with Terri and he thinks she is involved. He isn't coming at this as the wronged woman or someone who was thinking about getting a divorce from Terri at one time. He spoke to Terri and he knows from Terri what questions she didn't answer with a
100 % pass. Coming from a LE investigator, this is the biggest thing for me.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: Claycat on August 02, 2010, 12:42:15 PM
Kyron Horman's Parents Confirm New Leads Kaine Horman and Desiree Young are convinced stepmother is involved. 08/02/2010
More at link


http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/kyro...leads-11303832

OMG!  That video is so heartbreaking!  It's the first time I have seen Kaine cry!  He and Desiree are suffering so much.  I'm sitting here crying again!  :(


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: d in texas on August 02, 2010, 12:47:38 PM
I really believe that if not some all these tweets are innocent banter between Pea and DeDe.  I would certainly think DeDe would be way too smart to be giving messages out there in the tweet world.


Agreed.
________
I would like to see the WHOLE chat log, instead of bits and pieces taken days apart.

This reminds me of the USDA employee who was accused of being racist by her words on a videotape that had been edited to only show what was convenient to the guy making the claims.
_____carried over______
That was the whole chat log between the two the only time they ever talked never before then and never after then, that is the part that bothered me.  Like I said I am not sure but bothered by it.  I do try to be very careful before passing on anything and do the research 100% percent.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: Lucky7 on August 02, 2010, 12:54:06 PM
HI Everyone My first post as Im new to SM :)

I have been reading the latest comments & I just wanted to say my view
to start with.

I believe that Kyron could very well be alive..his body has not been found.
IMO who could take a boy from school in broad daylight and kill him in a small time frame?
then go post pics of the dead boy they just killed.
The parents think he is alive. They probably know alot more than we do Im sure.
(Im not saying for sure he is alive. I dont know, but it is a big possibilty)
For some big reason dede was not coop at first and whos to say she still is?
The parents think Terri took Kyron & others may be involved.
Why did they search dedes home? what lead them to this?
What Advise did DeDe tell Terri that was not in the best interest of Kyron.(Kaine Said)
why did they implore dede to come forward? why was she smiling so big after gj?
I dont know Terri but I saw her facebook cause page where she was against child abuse & sex preditors
paid money for the cause it was her birthday wish. (Im not defending her if she took Kyron, just saying
that if she was against abuse why would she harm Kyron unless she totally flipped)& do you flip on a planned
kidnapping? Kaine said he thinks it was well planned and I do as well. Why Kill Kyron?why would dede
hang around a killer? dedes cousin is online saying what a great person dede is.
Truth is I think we really just dont know people way deep down and what they are capable of.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: d in texas on August 02, 2010, 12:56:15 PM



Quote from: sassifrass on July 29, 2010, 01:21:55 PM (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8311.msg1194871#msg1194871)
Quote
The monkeys made it on the TH support page.   

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Terri-Horman-Support-Page/131975590176118#!/topic.php?uid=131975590176118&topic=162

Terri Horman Support Page Mary~ I also want to point out online at Scared Monkeys is some of Terri's friends if you look into it most of Terri's friends are Christians and go to church. <snipped>

When I first saw this post a few days ago, I just shrugged it off.  Now, however,  I've had some second thoughts.

So...  I'm just going to ask, both out of curiousity and in the interests of full disclosure.

Are any of the posters here friends with Terri, either in real life or online?  Anybody posting here been in communication with Terri either presently or in the past?




nuh uh, no way in heck. the thought of that scares me!  ::MonkeyShocked:: IMO, I think they are watching the site and posted that when the conversations about Kaine and his infidelities came up in discussion. I didn't take it literally, that one or so of the Monkeys were friends of TH.
Not I, everyone has the right to defend a friend, but does not have the right to with hold evidence. 
The support page bothers for me for a simple reason they pick and choose what they want to talk about, take down Kyron's picture and replace it with Terri's photo?  A little boy is missing, if you feel "your" friend had nothing to do with fine but it is still about a little boy!  All I have to say on the matter, and I will continue to point these things out as they (support page) post them.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: no rose colored glasses on August 02, 2010, 01:01:48 PM
Lucky7  WELCOME  all excellent questions, many of which I'm wondering.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: klaasend on August 02, 2010, 01:01:50 PM
Welcome Lucky7 - yes I've been following DeDe's cousin (Tom Jones) very closely.  One of his posts from last night:

Quote
Jonesr(OP)
User ID: 1055168
United States
8/1/2010 8:22 PM

knowing what I feel with everyfiber of by being, I know and understand now why she had to. You see there is a rat lose and running arond among us.
This rat is huge.
This rat is vicious, it is so damn vicious and cold it can abscond with and make gone the most innocent members of our society.
Porland Oregon has been rivited by this case.
We are scared and very pissed off.
We will jump at straws just at the slightest chance of finding any thing out.
We want Kyron home so bad we will look and look any place possible to even come close to Finding a clue to his discovery.
We will spend hours thinking about it, pondering the possibilities.
We are going to come to the best conclusions possible according to any and all information absorbed fact or fiction, because none of us know for sure.
We will hold on to those beliefs we have spent cultivating in our minds with the utmost passion.
All challengers beware.
My cousin base become the focus of this attention.
She is bearing the weight if the worlds scruitny and it's all bad.
I'm have put my self between that laser of hate and her.
She, in the only sencible thing that could be done by someone to find themselves in that position, would have caught that damn rat.
Even if it meant putting her self in this position.
You see Dede excells at everything she trys shy of keeping off the weight.
I'm convinced buy the epifany brought on by Tony, of almost exactly what I think happened.
She was a good supportive friend at first, then started smelling a rat, and thought about it, you read her profile, read her tweets, quotes, and humor.
Does she sound dumb and uneducated? How bout irresponsible? She paid attention and took appropriate action, now if you take that point of view and use it to explain the courts actions lately well I'm just crazy enough ot see something. So ask me again if I'm fine with her silence.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 02, 2010, 01:02:14 PM
I thought she only took one Lie Detector. They found something, evasive or unclear orout and out lie.  Then she went to do the second one and left before it was administered. I dismiss alot of what Desiree says about Terri. She " felt" that Terri had something to do with it from the first phone call. Those two have too much of a history that might have been worked out and accepted as it was the only way to operate. But when this happened, Desiree's feelings came to the forefront again.
..
BUT, Tony was in the house with Terri and he thinks she is involved. He isn't coming at this as the wronged woman or someone who was thinking about getting a divorce from Terri at one time. He spoke to Terri and he knows from Terri what questions she didn't answer with a
100 % pass. Coming from a LE investigator, this is the biggest thing for me.

Hi Kat_Gram

Janet

++++++

The Polygraphs

Kaine believes someone will spot Kyron
Last Update: 7/16 11:18
pm

Kaine Horman and Desiree young, Kyron Horman’s parents, have been answering reporters’ questions regarding their son’s disappearance through email.

Here is every question and every answer between the parents and KOIN Local 6. We believe Kaine is the one who has answered all of the questions so far.

<snipped>

Q: Regarding Terri and the polygraphs; can you walk us through her response to the request to even take the test and her reactions to both polygraph sessions?

A: She fully cooperated and took the first polygraph then subsequently vented her failed results to all family, friends, and law enforcement at the house.  A few days later she cooperated and went to take a second polygraph test but got up and walked out before the machine portion of the test could be administered - again by her own statement to family, friends, and law enforcement at the house.  She continually pushed back and refused to repeat the second test for several days (approx. 8-10) before going to take the test and then once again coming back to the house and venting to all listeners.

http://www.koinlocal6.com/content/news/topstories/story/Kaine-believes-someone-will-spot-Kyron/rL1u2wvUZkGeDwLhNgEdNA.cspx


Family: Terri Horman failed polygraphs; 'she's lying'
Story Published: Jul 8, 2010 at 6:19 PM PDT
Story Updated: Jul 9, 2010 at 3:37 AM PDT


“I think everyone knows she took two polygraphs,” Kaine said. “She has not passed those polygraphs.”

Desiree and Kaine said they also took polygraph tests and “passed with flying colors.”

http://www.katu.com/news/local/98077834.html


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: Lucky7 on August 02, 2010, 01:03:09 PM
Lucky7  WELCOME  all excellent questions, many of which I'm wondering.

Thank you for the Welcome :)


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: no rose colored glasses on August 02, 2010, 01:05:36 PM
Thanks for the post by DeDe's cousin  ::MonkeyEek::  I think that I got the gist of it, but the rest is like talking in riddles.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: d in texas on August 02, 2010, 01:05:41 PM
 I would not be surprised to see the local sheriff's office has hit a dead end. The focus is now more likely with the FBI, perhaps across state lines."
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/08/02/earlyshow/main6736423.shtml (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/08/02/earlyshow/main6736423.shtml)

What I have been so afraid of, they don't have anything that can prove who, what, where, when and why.  Lord I pray this is not the case, how does a little boy just vanish with out a trace.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: no rose colored glasses on August 02, 2010, 01:05:58 PM
Lucky7  WELCOME  all excellent questions, many of which I'm wondering.

Thank you for the Welcome :)
::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: Patricia Mocha Latte on August 02, 2010, 01:08:52 PM



Quote from: sassifrass on July 29, 2010, 01:21:55 PM (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8311.msg1194871#msg1194871)
Quote
The monkeys made it on the TH support page.   

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Terri-Horman-Support-Page/131975590176118#!/topic.php?uid=131975590176118&topic=162

Terri Horman Support Page Mary~ I also want to point out online at Scared Monkeys is some of Terri's friends if you look into it most of Terri's friends are Christians and go to church. <snipped>

When I first saw this post a few days ago, I just shrugged it off.  Now, however,  I've had some second thoughts.

So...  I'm just going to ask, both out of curiousity and in the interests of full disclosure.

Are any of the posters here friends with Terri, either in real life or online?  Anybody posting here been in communication with Terri either presently or in the past?



Are any of the posters here friends with Terri, either in real life or online?
Not I.

Anybody posting here been in communication with Terri either presently or in the past?
Nope.

I read your post and then realized that this particular case is being investigated more like an anti campaign than anything else. I've posted on other cases and felt the alleged "sides" challenging each other was positive as long as it did not become heated. I don't care about "sides" I care about discussing the possibilities in this case "ALL OF THEM" because it could very possibly lead to finding this little boy. I guess it is not ok to be open minded in this case? It makes me wonder if there is an underlying force that is suggesting that if you are not a part of the anti "team" then your thoughts are not welcome.

Oh wait though, that has already happened, with the media even.
It seems to be extended to the bloggers as well now too?

I've decided not to post about this case anymore as I feel that I am being ignored and at times, like now, insulted.

That will not stop me from having an open mind when considering the possibilities in this case and bottom line, it will not stop me from having concern that Kyron be found.


 



 


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: d in texas on August 02, 2010, 01:12:23 PM
Thanks for the post by DeDe's cousin  ::MonkeyEek::  I think that I got the gist of it, but the rest is like talking in riddles.

So who is going to decipher that one by the cousin?  Have to go read it again, what does he mean when talking about Tony.  At first I thought he was saying Terri was the rat, she realized and doing the right thing, but then he changes route in mid sentence.  Very confusing.

WELCOME Lucky 7


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: klaasend on August 02, 2010, 01:13:36 PM
I would not be surprised to see the local sheriff's office has hit a dead end. The focus is now more likely with the FBI, perhaps across state lines."
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/08/02/earlyshow/main6736423.shtml (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/08/02/earlyshow/main6736423.shtml)

What I have been so afraid of, they don't have anything that can prove who, what, where, when and why.  Lord I pray this is not the case, how does a little boy just vanish with out a trace.

Personally I'm not all that worried about what a bunch of paid talking heads have to say about the investigation.  They don't know any more than we do.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: klaasend on August 02, 2010, 01:15:41 PM
Thanks for the post by DeDe's cousin  ::MonkeyEek::  I think that I got the gist of it, but the rest is like talking in riddles.

So who is going to decipher that one by the cousin?  Have to go read it again, what does he mean when talking about Tony.  At first I thought he was saying Terri was the rat, she realized and doing the right thing, but then he changes route in mid sentence.  Very confusing.

WELCOME Lucky 7

I'm sorry but you would have to have been following ALL of his posts to get the way he talks/thinks.

Anyway, he's saying that DeDe remained close to Terri after DeDe got the feeling Terri had something to do with Kyron missing to try and get to the bottom of things.  Like being a double agent so to speak.  Yes, he is calling Terri the rat.

Edited to add the link to where he's posting.  It's a 98 page thread now  ::MonkeyCool::

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1141412/pg98


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: klaasend on August 02, 2010, 01:18:52 PM
Here is a current post (on page 99 now).  He did a test drive

Jonesr(OP)
User ID: 944024
United States
8/2/2010 1:04 PM
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Re: MY COUSIN HAS JUST BEEN IMPLICATED IN THE KYRON HORMAN CASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!   Quote

I left the center of the suavie island widlife refuge and floored it, I made it to skyline elementary in 24 minuets driving fast but not dangerously, I'm standing at Kyrons wall now. It's heart breaking


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: no rose colored glasses on August 02, 2010, 01:20:25 PM
Patricia Mocha Latte  I didn't take the question that was posted by Lifesong as an insult, maybe it was and I just didn't get it  ::MonkeyEek::  You, just like I have an open mind, I never have, nor will I see things in black and white, I see things in many shades, I hope you continue to share your thoughts.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 02, 2010, 01:20:35 PM



Quote from: sassifrass on July 29, 2010, 01:21:55 PM (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8311.msg1194871#msg1194871)
Quote
The monkeys made it on the TH support page.   

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Terri-Horman-Support-Page/131975590176118#!/topic.php?uid=131975590176118&topic=162

Terri Horman Support Page Mary~ I also want to point out online at Scared Monkeys is some of Terri's friends if you look into it most of Terri's friends are Christians and go to church. <snipped>

When I first saw this post a few days ago, I just shrugged it off.  Now, however,  I've had some second thoughts.

So...  I'm just going to ask, both out of curiousity and in the interests of full disclosure.

Are any of the posters here friends with Terri, either in real life or online?  Anybody posting here been in communication with Terri either presently or in the past?



Are any of the posters here friends with Terri, either in real life or online?
Not I.

Anybody posting here been in communication with Terri either presently or in the past?
Nope.

I read your post and then realized that this particular case is being investigated more like an anti campaign than anything else. I've posted on other cases and felt the alleged "sides" challenging each other was positive as long as it did not become heated. I don't care about "sides" I care about discussing the possibilities in this case "ALL OF THEM" because it could very possibly lead to finding this little boy. I guess it is not ok to be open minded in this case? It makes me wonder if there is an underlying force that is suggesting that if you are not a part of the anti "team" then your thoughts are not welcome.

Oh wait though, that has already happened, with the media even.
It seems to be extended to the bloggers as well now too?

I've decided not to post about this case anymore as I feel that I am being ignored and at times, like now, insulted.

That will not stop me from having an open mind when considering the possibilities in this case and bottom line, it will not stop me from having concern that Kyron be found.


Patricia

You and I are on the same page regarding most aspects of the case but ... we also have differing opinions and ... that is OK.  Until the truth is revealed ... respectfully agreeing to disagree is where it is at.  Patricia ... you are respectful.  Please do not leave.

Janet


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: no rose colored glasses on August 02, 2010, 01:21:25 PM
Thanks for the post by DeDe's cousin  ::MonkeyEek::  I think that I got the gist of it, but the rest is like talking in riddles.

So who is going to decipher that one by the cousin?  Have to go read it again, what does he mean when talking about Tony.  At first I thought he was saying Terri was the rat, she realized and doing the right thing, but then he changes route in mid sentence.  Very confusing.

WELCOME Lucky 7

I'm sorry but you would have to have been following ALL of his posts to get the way he talks/thinks.

Anyway, he's saying that DeDe remained close to Terri after DeDe got the feeling Terri had something to do with Kyron missing to try and get to the bottom of things.  Like being a double agent so to speak.  Yes, he is calling Terri the rat.

Edited to add the link to where he's posting.  It's a 98 page thread now  ::MonkeyCool::

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1141412/pg98
Thank-you, I will go any read at that forum.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: Claycat on August 02, 2010, 01:21:48 PM
Thanks for the post by DeDe's cousin  ::MonkeyEek::  I think that I got the gist of it, but the rest is like talking in riddles.

So who is going to decipher that one by the cousin?  Have to go read it again, what does he mean when talking about Tony.  At first I thought he was saying Terri was the rat, she realized and doing the right thing, but then he changes route in mid sentence.  Very confusing.

WELCOME Lucky 7

There were a couple of places where the cousin said he didn't know any more than the rest of us.  His riddles may have more to do with having a captive audience.  He's become something of a celebrity on GLP.  I think he's an okay guy.  I think he's right, though, that he doesn't know any more than we do.  Maybe not as much as some monkeys do!


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: Lucky7 on August 02, 2010, 01:22:01 PM
HI Klaasend

part of cousin Toms post...
I'm convinced buy the epifany brought on by Tony, of almost exactly what I think happened.
She was a good supportive friend at first, then started smelling a rat, and thought about it, you read her profile, read her tweets, quotes, and humor.

(hes pretty much saying that dede was a friend helping terri and then found out she did something after the fact).

When I look at the cousin I see someone that does not really know dede except as children. He thinks the above could be the case from his view.  He has stated over and over he has no idea what happened and if he did he wouldnt post it.

We still do not know where DeDe was in 90 min from the job she was doing near terris home.
Or why she did not answer her calls from the home owner or her worker helping her.
Or why she was not cooperating but the other 2 friends did.
 
I think DeDe is hiding something still.Thats why the artical Jul 31 came out about searching a familys property of dede. why would they continue to dig into DeDes path?I think she is still hiding something.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: Claycat on August 02, 2010, 01:22:43 PM
Oh!  I also meant to say, "Welcome, Lucky7!"     ::HelloKitty::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 02, 2010, 01:24:42 PM
I would not be surprised to see the local sheriff's office has hit a dead end. The focus is now more likely with the FBI, perhaps across state lines."
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/08/02/earlyshow/main6736423.shtml (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/08/02/earlyshow/main6736423.shtml)

What I have been so afraid of, they don't have anything that can prove who, what, where, when and why.  Lord I pray this is not the case, how does a little boy just vanish with out a trace.

Personally I'm not all that worried about what a bunch of paid talking heads have to say about the investigation.  They don't know any more than we do.

Sometimes not as much.

Janet


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: Lucky7 on August 02, 2010, 01:27:36 PM
Thanks for the post by DeDe's cousin  ::MonkeyEek::  I think that I got the gist of it, but the rest is like talking in riddles.

So who is going to decipher that one by the cousin?  Have to go read it again, what does he mean when talking about Tony.  At first I thought he was saying Terri was the rat, she realized and doing the right thing, but then he changes route in mid sentence.  Very confusing.

WELCOME Lucky 7

Thank you! I think the cousin is cocky and has a dry personality. He seems like he is smarting of in most of the post.he seems to get fusterated at times. If you read his other post after he explains it.he does seem to talk in riddles but I think he is just being a smart alick.I dont think he knows anything.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: Lucky7 on August 02, 2010, 01:28:28 PM
Oh!  I also meant to say, "Welcome, Lucky7!"     ::HelloKitty::

Thank you so much! Glad to be here.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: klaasend on August 02, 2010, 01:32:26 PM
Here is a current post (on page 99 now).  He did a test drive

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Re: MY COUSIN HAS JUST BEEN IMPLICATED IN THE KYRON HORMAN CASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!   Quote

I left the center of the suavie island widlife refuge and floored it, I made it to skyline elementary in 24 minuets driving fast but not dangerously, I'm standing at Kyrons wall now. It's heart breaking

Just posted - he drove back to Sauvie Island from the school, 19 minutes:

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8/2/2010 1:30 PM
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Took 19 min to get back to the refuge from the school.

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1141412/pg99


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: no rose colored glasses on August 02, 2010, 01:33:03 PM
Thanks for the post by DeDe's cousin  ::MonkeyEek::  I think that I got the gist of it, but the rest is like talking in riddles.

So who is going to decipher that one by the cousin?  Have to go read it again, what does he mean when talking about Tony.  At first I thought he was saying Terri was the rat, she realized and doing the right thing, but then he changes route in mid sentence.  Very confusing.

WELCOME Lucky 7

Thank you! I think the cousin is cocky and has a dry personality. He seems like he is smarting of in most of the post.he seems to get fusterated at times. If you read his other post after he explains it.he does seem to talk in riddles but I think he is just being a smart alick.I dont think he knows anything.
You sure may be right, and I just wish people would spit out what they want to say instead of riddles  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: klaasend on August 02, 2010, 01:33:52 PM
Here is a current post (on page 99 now).  He did a test drive

Jonesr(OP)
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United States
8/2/2010 1:04 PM
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Re: MY COUSIN HAS JUST BEEN IMPLICATED IN THE KYRON HORMAN CASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!   Quote

I left the center of the suavie island widlife refuge and floored it, I made it to skyline elementary in 24 minuets driving fast but not dangerously, I'm standing at Kyrons wall now. It's heart breaking

Just posted - he drove back to Sauvie Island from the school, 19 minutes:

Jonesr(OP)
User ID: 1055756
United States
8/2/2010 1:30 PM
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Re: MY COUSIN HAS JUST BEEN IMPLICATED IN THE KYRON HORMAN CASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!   Quote

Took 19 min to get back to the refuge from the school.

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1141412/pg99

By the way, the reason his User ID keeps changing is because he always is posting/texting from his cellphone. 


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: d in texas on August 02, 2010, 01:34:09 PM
Thanks for the post by DeDe's cousin  ::MonkeyEek::  I think that I got the gist of it, but the rest is like talking in riddles.

So who is going to decipher that one by the cousin?  Have to go read it again, what does he mean when talking about Tony.  At first I thought he was saying Terri was the rat, she realized and doing the right thing, but then he changes route in mid sentence.  Very confusing.

WELCOME Lucky 7

Thank you! I think the cousin is cocky and has a dry personality. He seems like he is smarting of in most of the post.he seems to get fusterated at times. If you read his other post after he explains it.he does seem to talk in riddles but I think he is just being a smart alick.I dont think he knows anything.

I am agreeing with all of you on the cousin I have read his posts from beginning to end at first he talked like a truly distraught relative at the thought a family member could have anything to do with Kyron.
Now he talks in riddles, YET I believe his heart is in the right place while he is trying to keep the attention of the chat room on him.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: Lucky7 on August 02, 2010, 01:35:41 PM
Here is a current post (on page 99 now).  He did a test drive

Jonesr(OP)
User ID: 944024
United States
8/2/2010 1:04 PM
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Re: MY COUSIN HAS JUST BEEN IMPLICATED IN THE KYRON HORMAN CASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!   Quote

I left the center of the suavie island widlife refuge and floored it, I made it to skyline elementary in 24 minuets driving fast but not dangerously, I'm standing at Kyrons wall now. It's heart breaking

Just posted - he drove back to Sauvie Island from the school, 19 minutes:

Jonesr(OP)
User ID: 1055756
United States
8/2/2010 1:30 PM
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Re: MY COUSIN HAS JUST BEEN IMPLICATED IN THE KYRON HORMAN CASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!   Quote

Took 19 min to get back to the refuge from the school.

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1141412/pg99
WOW he did do a test drive, seems he is wondering himself how it could all pan out in the time frame.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: can on August 02, 2010, 01:37:10 PM



Quote from: sassifrass on July 29, 2010, 01:21:55 PM (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8311.msg1194871#msg1194871)
Quote
The monkeys made it on the TH support page.   

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Terri-Horman-Support-Page/131975590176118#!/topic.php?uid=131975590176118&topic=162

Terri Horman Support Page Mary~ I also want to point out online at Scared Monkeys is some of Terri's friends if you look into it most of Terri's friends are Christians and go to church. <snipped>

When I first saw this post a few days ago, I just shrugged it off.  Now, however,  I've had some second thoughts.

So...  I'm just going to ask, both out of curiousity and in the interests of full disclosure.

Are any of the posters here friends with Terri, either in real life or online?  Anybody posting here been in communication with Terri either presently or in the past?



Hi Lifesong - No to all your questions.

Lucky 7 welcome to the cage!



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: Lucky7 on August 02, 2010, 01:39:49 PM
Thanks Can for the Welcome!


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: New Monkey on August 02, 2010, 01:40:28 PM



Quote from: sassifrass on July 29, 2010, 01:21:55 PM (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8311.msg1194871#msg1194871)
Quote
The monkeys made it on the TH support page.   

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Terri-Horman-Support-Page/131975590176118#!/topic.php?uid=131975590176118&topic=162

Terri Horman Support Page Mary~ I also want to point out online at Scared Monkeys is some of Terri's friends if you look into it most of Terri's friends are Christians and go to church. <snipped>

When I first saw this post a few days ago, I just shrugged it off.  Now, however,  I've had some second thoughts.

So...  I'm just going to ask, both out of curiousity and in the interests of full disclosure.

Are any of the posters here friends with Terri, either in real life or online?  Anybody posting here been in communication with Terri either presently or in the past?


Not me.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: New Monkey on August 02, 2010, 01:40:59 PM



Quote from: sassifrass on July 29, 2010, 01:21:55 PM (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8311.msg1194871#msg1194871)
Quote
The monkeys made it on the TH support page.   

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Terri-Horman-Support-Page/131975590176118#!/topic.php?uid=131975590176118&topic=162

Terri Horman Support Page Mary~ I also want to point out online at Scared Monkeys is some of Terri's friends if you look into it most of Terri's friends are Christians and go to church. <snipped>

When I first saw this post a few days ago, I just shrugged it off.  Now, however,  I've had some second thoughts.

So...  I'm just going to ask, both out of curiousity and in the interests of full disclosure.

Are any of the posters here friends with Terri, either in real life or online?  Anybody posting here been in communication with Terri either presently or in the past?



.... or friends with Kaine or ... in communication with Kaine?

Janet

Not me again.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: can on August 02, 2010, 01:41:27 PM
Thanks for the post by DeDe's cousin  ::MonkeyEek::  I think that I got the gist of it, but the rest is like talking in riddles.

So who is going to decipher that one by the cousin?  Have to go read it again, what does he mean when talking about Tony.  At first I thought he was saying Terri was the rat, she realized and doing the right thing, but then he changes route in mid sentence.  Very confusing.

WELCOME Lucky 7

Thank you! I think the cousin is cocky and has a dry personality. He seems like he is smarting of in most of the post.he seems to get fusterated at times. If you read his other post after he explains it.he does seem to talk in riddles but I think he is just being a smart alick.I dont think he knows anything.

I am agreeing with all of you on the cousin I have read his posts from beginning to end at first he talked like a truly distraught relative at the thought a family member could have anything to do with Kyron.
Now he talks in riddles, YET I believe his heart is in the right place while he is trying to keep the attention of the chat room on him.

I'm not sure what to think of the cousin.  I didn't think his first posts about his cousin were that flattering and wondered at the time why he would put them, or anything about the family out there?


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: can on August 02, 2010, 01:43:18 PM
Thanks Can for the Welcome!
::rhino:: yw.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: Lucky7 on August 02, 2010, 01:43:23 PM
Thanks for the post by DeDe's cousin  ::MonkeyEek::  I think that I got the gist of it, but the rest is like talking in riddles.

So who is going to decipher that one by the cousin?  Have to go read it again, what does he mean when talking about Tony.  At first I thought he was saying Terri was the rat, she realized and doing the right thing, but then he changes route in mid sentence.  Very confusing.

WELCOME Lucky 7

Thank you! I think the cousin is cocky and has a dry personality. He seems like he is smarting of in most of the post.he seems to get fusterated at times. If you read his other post after he explains it.he does seem to talk in riddles but I think he is just being a smart alick.I dont think he knows anything.

I am agreeing with all of you on the cousin I have read his posts from beginning to end at first he talked like a truly distraught relative at the thought a family member could have anything to do with Kyron.
Now he talks in riddles, YET I believe his heart is in the right place while he is trying to keep the attention of the chat room on him.

Now he is doing the test driving times. If I lived there I prob would too, try to wrap my head around the possibilities.(to me IMO I think he thinks his cousin is involved)


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: Claycat on August 02, 2010, 01:44:43 PM
In response, to Lifesong - Ewwwww!  I am definitely not a friend, supporter, or even an acquaintance of Terri!  However, I am a fan of Kyron!


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: can on August 02, 2010, 01:46:03 PM
I wonder if cuz has spoken with De De or her father?



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: Kat_Gram on August 02, 2010, 01:48:37 PM
Those talking heads on NG know very little. One of them last week referred to Terri as the babysitter who Kaine married. And today's BOMBSHELL on JVM or whatever will be that Lohan went to a treatment centre. Like I give fig.
..
My daughter is a member of InSession and has been for years. She has never seen one like this where peeps are beating up on the family so much. Her job over there, Stick up for Desiree as they were beating her to a pulp the other day. Crazy stuff. Yet, we all want a happy outcome and care very much how this turns out and want Kyron found alive. Alot of wishful thinking. 


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: Lucky7 on August 02, 2010, 01:49:35 PM
I wonder if cuz has spoken with De De or her father?



He talks to her brother Rick is what cousin said.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: d in texas on August 02, 2010, 01:49:45 PM
In response, to Lifesong - Ewwwww!  I am definitely not a friend, supporter, or even an acquaintance of Terri!  However, I am a fan of Kyron!

Aw, that was so good, touched my heart... ::MonkeyCheer4::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: Lucky7 on August 02, 2010, 01:52:11 PM
In response, to Lifesong - Ewwwww!  I am definitely not a friend, supporter, or even an acquaintance of Terri!  However, I am a fan of Kyron!

Aw, that was so good, touched my heart... ::MonkeyCheer4::

Me too ~ Kyron has really touched my heart. I pray he is ok and will come home.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: d in texas on August 02, 2010, 01:52:55 PM
Here is a current post (on page 99 now).  He did a test drive

Jonesr(OP)
User ID: 944024
United States
8/2/2010 1:04 PM
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Re: MY COUSIN HAS JUST BEEN IMPLICATED IN THE KYRON HORMAN CASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!   Quote

I left the center of the suavie island widlife refuge and floored it, I made it to skyline elementary in 24 minuets driving fast but not dangerously, I'm standing at Kyrons wall now. It's heart breaking

Just posted - he drove back to Sauvie Island from the school, 19 minutes:

Jonesr(OP)
User ID: 1055756
United States
8/2/2010 1:30 PM
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Re: MY COUSIN HAS JUST BEEN IMPLICATED IN THE KYRON HORMAN CASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!   Quote

Took 19 min to get back to the refuge from the school.

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1141412/pg99
WOW he did do a test drive, seems he is wondering himself how it could all pan out in the time frame.
That is the part I can't get past the limited time she had to do this, whatever she did.  Where is Kyron..


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: seahorse on August 02, 2010, 01:55:23 PM
Thanks for the post by DeDe's cousin  ::MonkeyEek::  I think that I got the gist of it, but the rest is like talking in riddles.

So who is going to decipher that one by the cousin?  Have to go read it again, what does he mean when talking about Tony.  At first I thought he was saying Terri was the rat, she realized and doing the right thing, but then he changes route in mid sentence.  Very confusing.

WELCOME Lucky 7

I'm sorry but you would have to have been following ALL of his posts to get the way he talks/thinks.

Anyway, he's saying that DeDe remained close to Terri after DeDe got the feeling Terri had something to do with Kyron missing to try and get to the bottom of things.  Like being a double agent so to speak.  Yes, he is calling Terri the rat.

Edited to add the link to where he's posting.  It's a 98 page thread now  ::MonkeyCool::

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1141412/pg98
Thank-you, I will go any read at that forum.


NoRose and Monkeys, Hi!

Did you read he (cuz) suggests for property owners to scour areas?

quote by Cuz..

Re: MY COUSIN HAS JUST BEEN IMPLICATED IN THE KYRON HORMAN CASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Quote


http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1141412/pg98

The people who own property in the talked about areas here should scour their property. If your reading and know anyone in the area ask them to.


Does Tom know something?  Curious.  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: Lucky7 on August 02, 2010, 01:56:29 PM
Does anyone know if DeDes truck was ever being reported seen anywhere? The blue explorer. I know the cousin mentions this at first then retracts it.
  wonder why she took the sticker of the back?


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: klaasend on August 02, 2010, 01:58:36 PM
Seahorse - we have no way of knowing for sure what Tom actually knows


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: klaasend on August 02, 2010, 01:59:17 PM
Does anyone know if DeDes truck was ever being reported seen anywhere? The blue explorer. I know the cousin mentions this at first then retracts it.
  wonder why she took the sticker of the back?

I wondered why she took off the sticker myself


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: Lifesong on August 02, 2010, 01:59:25 PM



Quote from: sassifrass on July 29, 2010, 01:21:55 PM (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8311.msg1194871#msg1194871)
Quote
The monkeys made it on the TH support page.   

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Terri-Horman-Support-Page/131975590176118#!/topic.php?uid=131975590176118&topic=162

Terri Horman Support Page Mary~ I also want to point out online at Scared Monkeys is some of Terri's friends if you look into it most of Terri's friends are Christians and go to church. <snipped>

When I first saw this post a few days ago, I just shrugged it off.  Now, however,  I've had some second thoughts.

So...  I'm just going to ask, both out of curiousity and in the interests of full disclosure.

Are any of the posters here friends with Terri, either in real life or online?  Anybody posting here been in communication with Terri either presently or in the past?



.... or friends with Kaine or ... in communication with Kaine?

Janet

Hi Janet!

Don't worry, lol!  I don't think you're friends with Terri!   ::MonkeyHaHa::

I asked about Terri because the quote claimed that some of Terri's friends were here at SM.  I haven't seen any claims that Kaine's had friends posting here, but I'm happy to include Kaine in the question as well.  It seems to me though, that Terri is the one with the purported messages posted to articles about the case, the HopeinVA posts, the Tweets, the Facebook postings, etc.  I just haven't seen that much of an online presence from Kaine at all.

Either way, I just think it's important to know the truth.  I hope that if Terri's friends are posting here, they will come out and say so.

JMO


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: d in texas on August 02, 2010, 02:00:17 PM
Some of the posters make me laugh at this forum, some oh well don't have to say it>>  Like the cousin is doing if I lived close I would go do the very same thing and drive around and try to time all of this.  I just want some answers know we all want some answers.  One of our monkeys said something last night that I have been telling my family>>think when children are involved you should have Florida's freedom of information act, seemed to keep putting the pressure not only on Casey but the parents.  Yet at the same time didn't help with Haileigh, for whatever reason (have my own thoughts) Satsuma wouldn't release anything, to do this day have not released anything.
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1141412/pg99 (http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1141412/pg99)


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: klaasend on August 02, 2010, 02:06:09 PM
http://www.koinlocal6.com/content/news/topstories/story/Desiree-Young-Theres-ice-in-those-Terri-veins/N5isq0bECUmEEmrszvL4AA.cspx


Desiree Young: "There's ice in those (Terri) veins"

Last Update: 10:09 am

The search for 7-year-old Kyron Horman is now in its ninth week - and the second grader's parents believe Terri Horman knows something about the disappearance of their son, but she isn't talking.

Desiree Young, Kyron's mother, told CBS News' Priya David Clemens about Terri Horman, "There's ice in those veins, there's no feeling."

Investigators are applying pressure to those close to Terri, including friend DeDe Spicher.

"DeDe would never be involved in anything that would hurt anyone," said Jaimee MacKinnon, a friend of Spicher's.

Spicher appeared before a Multnomah County grand jury last week, but those close to her believe DeDe wouldn't cover for someone who had anything to do with Kyron's disappearance.

"If DeDe felt that terry had anything to do with this, DeDe would not be standing next to Terry," said Karen Gjerning, another of DeDe's friends.

DeDe's friends also revealed that she moved in with Terri Horman soon after Kaine moved out and filed for divorce.

"Because DeDe is the friend that she is she stopped what she was doing and went out and stayed with her for ten days," said Gherning.

Spicher is expected to be called before a grand jury again in the next four to six weeks.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: can on August 02, 2010, 02:07:52 PM
I wonder if cuz has spoken with De De or her father?



He talks to her brother Rick is what cousin said.
yes thanks, he said that early on. 


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 02, 2010, 02:08:45 PM

Hi Janet!

Don't worry, lol!  I don't think you're friends with Terri!   ::MonkeyHaHa::

<snipped>


Lifesong

You know me well!

 ::MonkeyWink::

Janet



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 02, 2010, 02:10:32 PM
http://www.koinlocal6.com/content/news/topstories/story/Desiree-Young-Theres-ice-in-those-Terri-veins/N5isq0bECUmEEmrszvL4AA.cspx


Desiree Young: "There's ice in those (Terri) veins"

Last Update: 10:09 am

The search for 7-year-old Kyron Horman is now in its ninth week - and the second grader's parents believe Terri Horman knows something about the disappearance of their son, but she isn't talking.

Desiree Young, Kyron's mother, told CBS News' Priya David Clemens about Terri Horman, "There's ice in those veins, there's no feeling."

Investigators are applying pressure to those close to Terri, including friend DeDe Spicher.

"DeDe would never be involved in anything that would hurt anyone," said Jaimee MacKinnon, a friend of Spicher's.

Spicher appeared before a Multnomah County grand jury last week, but those close to her believe DeDe wouldn't cover for someone who had anything to do with Kyron's disappearance.

"If DeDe felt that terry had anything to do with this, DeDe would not be standing next to Terry," said Karen Gjerning, another of DeDe's friends.

DeDe's friends also revealed that she moved in with Terri Horman soon after Kaine moved out and filed for divorce.

"Because DeDe is the friend that she is she stopped what she was doing and went out and stayed with her for ten days," said Gherning.

Spicher is expected to be called before a grand jury again in the next four to six weeks.

I agree with Desiree 100%.

Janet



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: Scatty on August 02, 2010, 02:11:27 PM
Thanks for the post by DeDe's cousin  ::MonkeyEek::  I think that I got the gist of it, but the rest is like talking in riddles.

I know what you mean. I don't quite know what he's getting at when he says "ask me again if I'm fine with dede's silence". Does he think she has good cause to be silent? Does he think she was just being silent to set a trap for Terri? Is Terri "the rat" or is it someone else he's referring to? I feel like "grasshopper" (KungFu reference) trying to make sense of the riddles of life.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: Scatty on August 02, 2010, 02:13:11 PM
Thanks for the post by DeDe's cousin  ::MonkeyEek::  I think that I got the gist of it, but the rest is like talking in riddles.

So who is going to decipher that one by the cousin?  Have to go read it again, what does he mean when talking about Tony.  At first I thought he was saying Terri was the rat, she realized and doing the right thing, but then he changes route in mid sentence.  Very confusing.

WELCOME Lucky 7

I'm sorry but you would have to have been following ALL of his posts to get the way he talks/thinks.

Anyway, he's saying that DeDe remained close to Terri after DeDe got the feeling Terri had something to do with Kyron missing to try and get to the bottom of things.  Like being a double agent so to speak.  Yes, he is calling Terri the rat.

Edited to add the link to where he's posting.  It's a 98 page thread now  ::MonkeyCool::

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1141412/pg98

Aah! That answered my last question. I should catch up reading before posting.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: can on August 02, 2010, 02:15:28 PM
I just can't get past the fact that Terri isn't declaring her innocence. 
Not even through her lawyer is she speaking of Kiara...how she misses her, etc.
Nor have the networks shown any of Terri's friends speaking up for her, at least not that I'm aware of.   It seems so strange.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: Brandi on August 02, 2010, 02:16:35 PM



Quote from: sassifrass on July 29, 2010, 01:21:55 PM (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8311.msg1194871#msg1194871)
Quote
The monkeys made it on the TH support page.   

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Terri-Horman-Support-Page/131975590176118#!/topic.php?uid=131975590176118&topic=162

Terri Horman Support Page Mary~ I also want to point out online at Scared Monkeys is some of Terri's friends if you look into it most of Terri's friends are Christians and go to church. <snipped>

When I first saw this post a few days ago, I just shrugged it off.  Now, however,  I've had some second thoughts.

So...  I'm just going to ask, both out of curiousity and in the interests of full disclosure.

Are any of the posters here friends with Terri, either in real life or online?  Anybody posting here been in communication with Terri either presently or in the past?



Not me.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: Lucky7 on August 02, 2010, 02:16:41 PM
Thanks for the post by DeDe's cousin  ::MonkeyEek::  I think that I got the gist of it, but the rest is like talking in riddles.

I know what you mean. I don't quite know what he's getting at when he says "ask me again if I'm fine with dede's silence". Does he think she has good cause to be silent? Does he think she was just being silent to set a trap for Terri? Is Terri "the rat" or is it someone else he's referring to? I feel like "grasshopper" (KungFu reference) trying to make sense of the riddles of life.
I think he means he is not ok with her being silent.  I guess the Big question is Why.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: Brandi on August 02, 2010, 02:18:15 PM



Quote from: sassifrass on July 29, 2010, 01:21:55 PM (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8311.msg1194871#msg1194871)
Quote
The monkeys made it on the TH support page.   

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Terri-Horman-Support-Page/131975590176118#!/topic.php?uid=131975590176118&topic=162

Terri Horman Support Page Mary~ I also want to point out online at Scared Monkeys is some of Terri's friends if you look into it most of Terri's friends are Christians and go to church. <snipped>

When I first saw this post a few days ago, I just shrugged it off.  Now, however,  I've had some second thoughts.

So...  I'm just going to ask, both out of curiousity and in the interests of full disclosure.

Are any of the posters here friends with Terri, either in real life or online?  Anybody posting here been in communication with Terri either presently or in the past?



.... or friends with Kaine or ... in communication with Kaine?

Janet

Not me.

I don't even know anyone in Oregon. Nor knowingly communicate with anyone in Oregon. Unless a monkey in Oregon is in this thread.

 ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: Lifesong on August 02, 2010, 02:18:57 PM
Patricia Mocha Latte  I didn't take the question that was posted by Lifesong as an insult, maybe it was and I just didn't get it  ::MonkeyEek::  You, just like I have an open mind, I never have, nor will I see things in black and white, I see things in many shades, I hope you continue to share your thoughts.

It was not meant as an insult.  I'm not that kind of poster. 

Just an honest question.




Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: klaasend on August 02, 2010, 02:19:30 PM
Still on Sauvie Island - walking around:

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1141412/pg99

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The refuge is huge, walked aroud for a little while, the grass is hip to sholder height, full of thick bushes, trees and blackberry bushes, I'm scratched up and my feet are wet, and cuvered with grass seeds and fox tails in my socks. I would have to change befroe giong to store if I were a woman.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: d in texas on August 02, 2010, 02:20:07 PM
http://www.koinlocal6.com/content/news/topstories/story/Desiree-Young-Theres-ice-in-those-Terri-veins/N5isq0bECUmEEmrszvL4AA.cspx


Desiree Young: "There's ice in those (Terri) veins"

Last Update: 10:09 am

The search for 7-year-old Kyron Horman is now in its ninth week - and the second grader's parents believe Terri Horman knows something about the disappearance of their son, but she isn't talking.

Desiree Young, Kyron's mother, told CBS News' Priya David Clemens about Terri Horman, "There's ice in those veins, there's no feeling."

Investigators are applying pressure to those close to Terri, including friend DeDe Spicher.

"DeDe would never be involved in anything that would hurt anyone," said Jaimee MacKinnon, a friend of Spicher's.

Spicher appeared before a Multnomah County grand jury last week, but those close to her believe DeDe wouldn't cover for someone who had anything to do with Kyron's disappearance.

"If DeDe felt that terry had anything to do with this, DeDe would not be standing next to Terry," said Karen Gjerning, another of DeDe's friends.

DeDe's friends also revealed that she moved in with Terri Horman soon after Kaine moved out and filed for divorce.

"Because DeDe is the friend that she is she stopped what she was doing and went out and stayed with her for ten days," said Gherning.

Spicher is expected to be called before a grand jury again in the next four to six weeks.
I am glad to see DeDe's friends come out like that, it gives me cause to wonder where all of Terri's friends are.  DeDe is not hiding in her home refusing to talk, DeDe may be helping we don't know if she is or isn't, maybe the police showed her some things and said look this is what you think you know this is what we know.
But then you go to all the searchs of her home, her families homes. Then some other friends of Terri's homes were searched and given Lie Detector tests, yet they went to the press remained anonymous but were straight forward about what they had been through, due to good freind Terri.
http://www.kval.com/news/local/99146044.html (http://www.kval.com/news/local/99146044.html)
One woman, who is moving out of a home in Tigard, said she underwent a polygraph test and had investigators come to her home with a search warrant within the last week.

She and another friend of Terri Horman said they’re cooperating fully with detectives since they have nothing to hide.

Both said they feel they’ve been dragged into the investigation by simply being supportive of Terri and doing things like visiting her at her home.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: klaasend on August 02, 2010, 02:24:11 PM
http://www.koinlocal6.com/content/news/topstories/story/Desiree-Young-Theres-ice-in-those-Terri-veins/N5isq0bECUmEEmrszvL4AA.cspx


Desiree Young: "There's ice in those (Terri) veins"

Last Update: 10:09 am

The search for 7-year-old Kyron Horman is now in its ninth week - and the second grader's parents believe Terri Horman knows something about the disappearance of their son, but she isn't talking.

Desiree Young, Kyron's mother, told CBS News' Priya David Clemens about Terri Horman, "There's ice in those veins, there's no feeling."

Investigators are applying pressure to those close to Terri, including friend DeDe Spicher.

"DeDe would never be involved in anything that would hurt anyone," said Jaimee MacKinnon, a friend of Spicher's.

Spicher appeared before a Multnomah County grand jury last week, but those close to her believe DeDe wouldn't cover for someone who had anything to do with Kyron's disappearance.

"If DeDe felt that terry had anything to do with this, DeDe would not be standing next to Terry," said Karen Gjerning, another of DeDe's friends.

DeDe's friends also revealed that she moved in with Terri Horman soon after Kaine moved out and filed for divorce.

"Because DeDe is the friend that she is she stopped what she was doing and went out and stayed with her for ten days," said Gherning.

Spicher is expected to be called before a grand jury again in the next four to six weeks.
I am glad to see DeDe's friends come out like that, it gives me cause to wonder where all of Terri's friends are.  DeDe is not hiding in her home refusing to talk, DeDe may be helping we don't know if she is or isn't, maybe the police showed her some things and said look this is what you think you know this is what we know.
But then you go to all the searchs of her home, her families homes. Then some other friends of Terri's homes were searched and given Lie Detector tests, yet they went to the press remained anonymous but were straight forward about what they had been through, due to good freind Terri.
http://www.kval.com/news/local/99146044.html (http://www.kval.com/news/local/99146044.html)
One woman, who is moving out of a home in Tigard, said she underwent a polygraph test and had investigators come to her home with a search warrant within the last week.

She and another friend of Terri Horman said they’re cooperating fully with detectives since they have nothing to hide.

Both said they feel they’ve been dragged into the investigation by simply being supportive of Terri and doing things like visiting her at her home.

And I say TOO BAD.  Finding Kyron outweighs their temporary discomfort in being "dragged" into the investigation  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: Lucky7 on August 02, 2010, 02:24:39 PM
Still on Sauvie Island - walking around:

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1141412/pg99

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The refuge is huge, walked aroud for a little while, the grass is hip to sholder height, full of thick bushes, trees and blackberry bushes, I'm scratched up and my feet are wet, and cuvered with grass seeds and fox tails in my socks. I would have to change befroe giong to store if I were a woman.

one thing that has stuck in my mind through this whole thing is DeDe was dirty already from gardening. what did the home owner & oth worker notice when she came back.(I think the home owner also stated dede was supposed to have lunch there and left would not answer her phone)


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: Lifesong on August 02, 2010, 02:24:41 PM
In response, to Lifesong - Ewwwww!  I am definitely not a friend, supporter, or even an acquaintance of Terri!  However, I am a fan of Kyron!

Awesome, Claycat!  Me too!   ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: Scatty on August 02, 2010, 02:25:35 PM
Here is a current post (on page 99 now).  He did a test drive

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I left the center of the suavie island widlife refuge and floored it, I made it to skyline elementary in 24 minuets driving fast but not dangerously, I'm standing at Kyrons wall now. It's heart breaking

Just posted - he drove back to Sauvie Island from the school, 19 minutes:

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Took 19 min to get back to the refuge from the school.

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1141412/pg99
WOW he did do a test drive, seems he is wondering himself how it could all pan out in the time frame.
That is the part I can't get past the limited time she had to do this, whatever she did.  Where is Kyron..

Has anyone reported the time of the cell phone pings near Sauvie Island? By "she" do you mean Terri or Dede? I think TH had time during the "earache driving" episode. And DeDe had time after possibly hooking up with TH first.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: no rose colored glasses on August 02, 2010, 02:26:05 PM
Patricia Mocha Latte  I didn't take the question that was posted by Lifesong as an insult, maybe it was and I just didn't get it  ::MonkeyEek::  You, just like I have an open mind, I never have, nor will I see things in black and white, I see things in many shades, I hope you continue to share your thoughts.

It was not meant as an insult.  I'm not that kind of poster. 

Just an honest question.



I was just answering Patricia is all, I didn't take it as an insult she felt it was.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: d in texas on August 02, 2010, 02:27:01 PM
Those talking heads on NG know very little. One of them last week referred to Terri as the babysitter who Kaine married. And today's BOMBSHELL on JVM or whatever will be that Lohan went to a treatment centre. Like I give fig.
..
My daughter is a member of InSession and has been for years. She has never seen one like this where peeps are beating up on the family so much. Her job over there, Stick up for Desiree as they were beating her to a pulp the other day. Crazy stuff. Yet, we all want a happy outcome and care very much how this turns out and want Kyron found alive. Alot of wishful thinking. 
Last week on JVM a caller wanted to know why Kyron had a picture taken at the school "without his glasses" at the frog display.  JVM went running with it, instead of having her staff research quickly the fact LE released that in case he didn't have his glasses.  I get so tired of the stuff they start then on some boards posters take the pair (JVM and NG) as gospel and strart running with it.  You can't blame the posters, who are most likely not terribly internet savvy and enjoy chatting with friends on the forum.

I don't think anyone should be beat up on, especially Desiree that poor woman is living a hell no one could begin to relate to, even here TH is not beat up not liked and questioned but suprisingly not beat up on. 

We just want the facts, the truth, and TH to go to LE with her lawyer and clear all this up and spit out what she knows to bring closure and hopefully a happy outcome.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: no rose colored glasses on August 02, 2010, 02:27:53 PM
Seahorse, DeDe's cousin doesn't know anything more than anybody else, that is common and asked by police to check around your property when a person is missing.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: Claycat on August 02, 2010, 02:29:53 PM
Scatty, I sure wish we knew the times of those cell phone pings!  I'm sure LE doesn't want us to know!  Darn!


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: can on August 02, 2010, 02:31:50 PM
Still on Sauvie Island - walking around:

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The refuge is huge, walked aroud for a little while, the grass is hip to sholder height, full of thick bushes, trees and blackberry bushes, I'm scratched up and my feet are wet, and cuvered with grass seeds and fox tails in my socks. I would have to change befroe giong to store if I were a woman.

one thing that has stuck in my mind through this whole thing is DeDe was dirty already from gardening. what did the home owner & oth worker notice when she came back.(I think the home owner also stated dede was supposed to have lunch there and left would not answer her phone)

That is a great question! 


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: Claycat on August 02, 2010, 02:32:35 PM
Still on Sauvie Island - walking around:

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1141412/pg99

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The refuge is huge, walked aroud for a little while, the grass is hip to sholder height, full of thick bushes, trees and blackberry bushes, I'm scratched up and my feet are wet, and cuvered with grass seeds and fox tails in my socks. I would have to change befroe giong to store if I were a woman.

one thing that has stuck in my mind through this whole thing is DeDe was dirty already from gardening. what did the home owner & oth worker notice when she came back.(I think the home owner also stated dede was supposed to have lunch there and left would not answer her phone)

That is a great question! 

Wow!  That is a great question!


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: Scatty on August 02, 2010, 02:32:44 PM
Does anyone know if DeDes truck was ever being reported seen anywhere? The blue explorer. I know the cousin mentions this at first then retracts it.
  wonder why she took the sticker of the back?

I wondered why she took off the sticker myself

I think because it made her truck too identifiable. Now it looks more generic.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: Scatty on August 02, 2010, 02:34:54 PM
Does anyone know if DeDes truck was ever being reported seen anywhere? The blue explorer. I know the cousin mentions this at first then retracts it.
  wonder why she took the sticker of the back?

I wondered why she took off the sticker myself

I think because it made her truck too identifiable. Now it looks more generic.

Oh wait, you probably already figured that out. You were probably asking why she would be worried about her truck being identifiable. When in the timeline did her sticker come off?


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: Blonde on August 02, 2010, 02:39:12 PM
Still on Sauvie Island - walking around:

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The refuge is huge, walked aroud for a little while, the grass is hip to sholder height, full of thick bushes, trees and blackberry bushes, I'm scratched up and my feet are wet, and cuvered with grass seeds and fox tails in my socks. I would have to change befroe giong to store if I were a woman.


I just don't think Terri had the time to do all this, she would have been scratched up.
If they checked the white truck their would have had grass seeds and fox tails in the tires and under the truck. I just don't know  ::MonkeyNoNo::



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: Lucky7 on August 02, 2010, 02:40:39 PM
Does anyone know if DeDes truck was ever being reported seen anywhere? The blue explorer. I know the cousin mentions this at first then retracts it.
  wonder why she took the sticker of the back?

I wondered why she took off the sticker myself


I think because it made her truck too identifiable. Now it looks more generic.

Oh wait, you probably already figured that out. You were probably asking why she would be worried about her truck being identifiable. When in the timeline did her sticker come off?
Im not sure when she took the sticker off. I saw it on a news video at one point.Not sure why. either could be she didnt want to stick out like a sore thumb or she was hiding something not to be identified.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: Brandi on August 02, 2010, 02:40:53 PM
Seahorse, DeDe's cousin doesn't know anything more than anybody else, that is common and asked by police to check around your property when a person is missing.

I agree, no rose. He doesn't. However he is in the area and we can possibly glean some info after the fact from him, such as what he apparently is doing today, timing the drive from one place to another.

Personally, I think he is just enjoying the attention he is getting.

JMO.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: darla on August 02, 2010, 02:41:05 PM
Good Afternoon Monkeys and Guest!

Just checking in on Kyron. In response to Lifesong.....not I...but would love to be in Terri's presence alone for about 15 minutes.

Has anyone seen or heard it verified that Terri was in both of the grocery stores and how long she was there?  90 minutes is plenty of time to strangle a lil boy and dump the body. I don't find it strange that she went to the gym afterwards and acted normal.....Casey Anthony was seen arm in arm with Tony renting murder movies and her baby in the trunk of her car dead.

Terri seems just as cold and heartless as Casey.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: d in texas on August 02, 2010, 02:42:44 PM
Still on Sauvie Island - walking around:

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The refuge is huge, walked aroud for a little while, the grass is hip to sholder height, full of thick bushes, trees and blackberry bushes, I'm scratched up and my feet are wet, and cuvered with grass seeds and fox tails in my socks. I would have to change befroe giong to store if I were a  woman.
I can't post on that site because of my verizon wireless stick ip? they explained it don't understand but oh well. 
I hope someone tells him thankyou this is all so good to know!!


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: Blonde on August 02, 2010, 02:42:47 PM
Here is a current post (on page 99 now).  He did a test drive

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I left the center of the suavie island widlife refuge and floored it, I made it to skyline elementary in 24 minuets driving fast but not dangerously, I'm standing at Kyrons wall now. It's heart breaking

Just posted - he drove back to Sauvie Island from the school, 19 minutes:

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Took 19 min to get back to the refuge from the school.

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1141412/pg99
WOW he did do a test drive, seems he is wondering himself how it could all pan out in the time frame.
That is the part I can't get past the limited time she had to do this, whatever she did.  Where is Kyron..

Has anyone reported the time of the cell phone pings near Sauvie Island? By "she" do you mean Terri or Dede? I think TH had time during the "earache driving" episode. And DeDe had time after possibly hooking up with TH first.
http://www.katu.com/news/local/99151549.html


Sources detail Terri’s timeline day Kyron disappeared

by Anna Song KATU News

Originally printed at http://www.katu.com/news/local/99151549.html

PORTLAND, Ore. - According to multiple sources, Terri Moulton Horman says she left Skyline School at 8:45 in the morning without Kyron the day he disappeared and that between 8:45 a.m. and 10:10 a.m. she ran errands at local grocery stores and can prove it.

As KATU news first reported, at least two stores, the Albertsons on Hillsdale Highway and the Sunset Fred Meyer, are cooperating with investigators. The Albertsons confirmed it turned over surveillance tape to investigators in the case.

Between 10:10 in the morning and 11:39, Terri said she drove her daughter Kiara around on rural roads in the family’s white truck because Kiara had an earache. She said she was trying to soothe the toddler with the motion of the vehicle. ((IMO this is when she got rid of Kyron))

Early on investigators made a request of the public for any video they might have of the white truck traveling on specific roads through Northwest Multnomah County and portions of Washington County.

At 11:39 a.m., Terri checked in at a 24-hour Fitness in Beaverton on Waterhouse Avenue and worked out for about an hour until 12:40 p.m.

By 1:21, Terri said she'd traveled home - a distance of nearly 11 miles - and was posting photos on Facebook she'd taken that morning of Kyron standing with his science project and of his friend, Kurtis, standing with his.

Sources said she also e-mailed the teacher to find out when she could come pick up the project as she had not taken it home.

Yet according to Kaine Horman, that was the very reason Terri requested to drive the truck that day to Skyline School.

He said in an e-mail to KATU News: “I typically drive the truck and Terri drives the car. She wanted to use the truck to bring Kyron's science fair project home, easier done with the truck than the car."

Two of Terri's friends who've taken polygraph tests and turned over evidence said they are cooperating fully with investigators and have nothing to hide.

Dede Spicher, another friend of Terri’s, has been accused by Kyron’s biological parents, Desiree Young and Kaine Horman, for not cooperating with police. Spicher refused to answer reporter’s questions Friday.

No one has been named a suspect or person of interest in the case, and police have not made any arrests.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: Lucky7 on August 02, 2010, 02:43:07 PM
Maybe Terri just handed Kyron off. Maybe thats why she was not dirty? If she did hand him off and dede was involved it could be because dede knew the person to hand him off to? could dede be the brains behind the kidnapping? I dont know but I try to look at all the options.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 02, 2010, 02:44:18 PM
I just can't get past the fact that Terri isn't declaring her innocence. 
Not even through her lawyer is she speaking of Kiara...how she misses her, etc.
Nor have the networks shown any of Terri's friends speaking up for her, at least not that I'm aware of.   It seems so strange.


Could it be that Terri's story is forthcoming?  Could it be that Terri's high profile attorney is waiting until the time is deemed right?

Desiree and Kaine may be making big bucks from the major networks and publications (CBS/ABC/NBC/CNN/PEOPLE) for interviews/sale of photos.  However ... somehow I believe the amount will pale compared to the deal that Stephen Houze will negotiate for his client's account regarding the events the encompass the morning of June 4, 2010 as well as the dynamics within the Horman's household that led up to that day.  This guy is not representing Terri for nothing.  The $350,000 retainer has been refuted.

Then there is DeDe's story ...

As always ... in my opinion

Janet


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Report airs Monday, July 26, 10 p.m./9 C on Dateline NBC
by Kate Snow
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TRANSCRIPT

Photographs of missing 7-year-old Kyron Horman provided by the family

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38420266


Kyron’s Parents Describe Web of Deception from Stepmom (With Audio)
Saturday, July 10th, 2010


Terri Horman’s attorney, Stephen Houze, has told reporters neither he nor his client will comment on the case.

http://blogs.wweek.com/news/tag/desiree-young/


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: Brandi on August 02, 2010, 02:44:20 PM
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Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: klaasend on August 02, 2010, 02:47:27 PM
Still on Sauvie Island - walking around:

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The refuge is huge, walked aroud for a little while, the grass is hip to sholder height, full of thick bushes, trees and blackberry bushes, I'm scratched up and my feet are wet, and cuvered with grass seeds and fox tails in my socks. I would have to change befroe giong to store if I were a woman.


I just don't think Terri had the time to do all this, she would have been scratched up.
If they checked the white truck their would have had grass seeds and fox tails in the tires and under the truck. I just don't know  ::MonkeyNoNo::



There is a reason they have seached many times in and around Sauvie Island.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: Lucky7 on August 02, 2010, 02:48:01 PM
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Thank you sooo much! Gald to be here  ::MonkeySlide::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: Brandi on August 02, 2010, 02:52:40 PM
Lucky7:
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Thank you sooo much! Gald to be here  ::MonkeySlide::

Glad to have you!

You have brought forth quite a few questions we all have been wondering about.

Can't believe Kyron has been missing this long.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: d in texas on August 02, 2010, 02:52:51 PM
Does anyone know if Dede's truck was ever being reported seen anywhere? The blue explorer. I know the cousin mentions this at first then retracts it.
  wonder why she took the sticker of the back?

I wondered why she took off the sticker myself

I think because it made her truck too identifiable. Now it looks more generic.
NOT to mention the sticker was a SAR sticker from Multnomah County that her dad worked/works for as a deputy sheriff.  I find that very strange.  I know everyone thinks the tweets are not what I am seeing at all but look at what the cousin just said about being beat up by the brush at location.  All I am saying playing devil's advocate and researching it can't / they the tweets can't be discounted.  It is a "what if", the other tweeter if you read through the tweets makes some very strange comments about having to move in a hurry related to other things.  Sure I am wrong but what if this person is one of those underground railroad things, is it such a stretch?
    DeDe>>I'm cut, blistered, totally out of alignment, thoroughly exhausted AND would do all again in a heartbeat! 1:46 PM Jun 13th via txt


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: no rose colored glasses on August 02, 2010, 02:53:02 PM
Still on Sauvie Island - walking around:

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The refuge is huge, walked aroud for a little while, the grass is hip to sholder height, full of thick bushes, trees and blackberry bushes, I'm scratched up and my feet are wet, and cuvered with grass seeds and fox tails in my socks. I would have to change befroe giong to store if I were a woman.


I just don't think Terri had the time to do all this, she would have been scratched up.
If they checked the white truck their would have had grass seeds and fox tails in the tires and under the truck. I just don't know  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Blonde I'm with you, I've tried to fit this together and it doesn't fit. That is why I can only come up with that if Terri is behind this she was working with another person. At least for now that is where I am.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: no rose colored glasses on August 02, 2010, 02:54:57 PM
Seahorse, DeDe's cousin doesn't know anything more than anybody else, that is common and asked by police to check around your property when a person is missing.

I agree, no rose. He doesn't. However he is in the area and we can possibly glean some info after the fact from him, such as what he apparently is doing today, timing the drive from one place to another.

Personally, I think he is just enjoying the attention he is getting.

JMO.
I think you may be right about the attention, I just don't know, but one thing I do know if this was my cousin, never would I be on the internet doing what her cousin is doing, never.  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: no rose colored glasses on August 02, 2010, 02:56:29 PM

Desiree Young, Kyron's mother, told CBS News' Priya David Clemens about Terri Horman, "There's ice in those veins, there's no feeling."   I'm wondering if Desiree has always felt this way about Terri?


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: Nut44x4 on August 02, 2010, 02:57:02 PM
No arrest yet?

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Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 02, 2010, 02:58:52 PM
Still on Sauvie Island - walking around:

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The refuge is huge, walked aroud for a little while, the grass is hip to sholder height, full of thick bushes, trees and blackberry bushes, I'm scratched up and my feet are wet, and cuvered with grass seeds and fox tails in my socks. I would have to change befroe giong to store if I were a woman.


I just don't think Terri had the time to do all this, she would have been scratched up.
If they checked the white truck their would have had grass seeds and fox tails in the tires and under the truck. I just don't know  ::MonkeyNoNo::



There is a reason they have seached many times in and around Sauvie Island.

I believe that the interest in Sauvie Island has a foundation in the cel phone records.

Could it be that Kyron was passed off to someone at this location?

I wish the hit by HO's dogs could be either confirmed or eliminated as anything case significant.

Janet

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Cell Phone Records

Sources: Search for Kyron Horman Focuses on Step-Mom, Cell Records
4:52 PM June 17th, 2010


WW has learned that federal, county and city law-enforcement officials say the reason for the search of Sauvie Island is that cell-phone records reveal Kyron’s step-mother, Terri Moulton Horman, may have been on the island the day he disappeared.

http://blogs.wweek.com/news/2010/06/17/sources-search-for-kyron-horman-focuses-on-step-mom-cell-records/


Harry Oakes

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Aired July 1, 2010 - 20:00:
00   ET

NANCY GRACE, HOST: Tonight, joining us, special guest Harry Oakes with search dog Willow, the owner of International K-9 Search and Rescue. He is searching for Kyron Horman. Harry, thank you for being with us. I understand that you and your dog went to Sauvie Island. What happened?

HARRY OAKES, INTERNATIONAL K-9 SEARCH AND RESCUE: Well, we brought in search dog Willow, search dog Tyler (ph), and introduced them to what`s called cadaver scent, searching a variety of areas. And both dogs alerted at a specific location along a houseboat area. We brought a second search dog team in today independent of our search dog teams, and they confirmed the location. But again, all we know is a dead human. We have no idea who it is.


GRACE:  You stated that your dogs hit. What was the terrain in which they hit? And was it the cadaver scent on which they hit...

OAKES: Yes.

GRACE: ... or was it -- tell me.

OAKES: We used cadaver scent because the family refuses to give us a scent article of Kyron. So all we have to work on is the cadaver scent. And they hit in the water.


GRACE: Well, we`ve got one cadaver hit from Harry Oakes. He is an independent. He is not with the police. Police have taken out their dogs. They did not get a hit.

And it is true, isn`t it, Mr. Harry Oakes, that dogs can hit on a cadaver scent and it could be other human remain? It could be human byproduct and not necessarily a dead body, Mr. Oakes?

OAKES: That`s correct. Anything that -- it could be a rotting shoe that hasn`t been washed. It could be a dirty sock. But they`re not going to give a death alert on that but they will alert on that. But we did get a death alert from three different search dogs that are qualified to search for people on land and the water.


GRACE: I want to clarify something that was said earlier about the Horman family not giving Harry Oakes and his search dogs items of Kyron`s clothing.

They have handed over multiple items to police to use for their tracker dogs. They did not give them to Harry Oakes. They said that they are cooperating with police only. Is that correct, Mr. Oakes?

OAKES: As I know.

GRACE: Repeat?

OAKES: As far as I know that statement is correct. We made multiple pleas to get a scent article. If they`re so concerned about finding their son, who cares who finds him?

http://archives.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1007/01/ng.01.html




Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: no rose colored glasses on August 02, 2010, 03:01:35 PM
Janet you question.  Could it be that Terri's story is forthcoming?  Could it be that Terri's high profile attorney is waiting until the time is deemed right?    ::MonkeyNoNo::  At this point who knows? I keep going back and forth with thoughts.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: Lucky7 on August 02, 2010, 03:02:06 PM
Does anyone know if Dede's truck was ever being reported seen anywhere? The blue explorer. I know the cousin mentions this at first then retracts it.
  wonder why she took the sticker of the back?

I wondered why she took off the sticker myself

I think because it made her truck too identifiable. Now it looks more generic.
NOT to mention the sticker was a SAR sticker from Multnomah County that her dad worked/works for as a deputy sheriff.  I find that very strange.  I know everyone thinks the tweets are not what I am seeing at all but look at what the cousin just said about being beat up by the brush at location.  All I am saying playing devil's advocate and researching it can't / they the tweets can't be discounted.  It is a "what if", the other tweeter if you read through the tweets makes some very strange comments about having to move in a hurry related to other things.  Sure I am wrong but what if this person is one of those underground railroad things, is it such a stretch?
    DeDe>>I'm cut, blistered, totally out of alignment, thoroughly exhausted AND would do all again in a heartbeat! 1:46 PM Jun 13th via txt
I agree with you as I look at peas tweets as well. Dee Dee seems to know pea (pea was also in marathons, dont know if thats a connection) seems to know dede too well to me.not like someone she just met. pea works for jj gonson and she and another chef went to portland on Jun 8th. I cannot fathom cops not speaking to her. the reason is IF dede was involved the way parents think she is and IF she is witholding info I think all her contacts should be questioned AFTER the fact that Kyron when missing.IMO


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: Lucky7 on August 02, 2010, 03:04:10 PM

Desiree Young, Kyron's mother, told CBS News' Priya David Clemens about Terri Horman, "There's ice in those veins, there's no feeling."   I'm wondering if Desiree has always felt this way about Terri?
She does keep pointing out Terri is cold. Kaine & Desiree said in the last presser that they begged Terri to tell them something Everyday and her response was Cold.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: Scatty on August 02, 2010, 03:04:15 PM
Does anyone know if Dede's truck was ever being reported seen anywhere? The blue explorer. I know the cousin mentions this at first then retracts it.
  wonder why she took the sticker of the back?

I wondered why she took off the sticker myself

I think because it made her truck too identifiable. Now it looks more generic.
NOT to mention the sticker was a SAR sticker from Multnomah County that her dad worked/works for as a deputy sheriff.  I find that very strange.  I know everyone thinks the tweets are not what I am seeing at all but look at what the cousin just said about being beat up by the brush at location.  All I am saying playing devil's advocate and researching it can't / they the tweets can't be discounted.  It is a "what if", the other tweeter if you read through the tweets makes some very strange comments about having to move in a hurry related to other things.  Sure I am wrong but what if this person is one of those underground railroad things, is it such a stretch?
    DeDe>>I'm cut, blistered, totally out of alignment, thoroughly exhausted AND would do all again in a heartbeat! 1:46 PM Jun 13th via txt

I thought about that very same tweet when I read Tom's post about getting all scratched up on Sauvie Island although I know she was gardening that day.  I too think the tweets were used as a mode of communication--like a particular thing has now been done, a warning, or an all-clear.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: Scatty on August 02, 2010, 03:10:44 PM
Pulled from another post:

OAKES: We made multiple pleas to get a scent article. If they`re so concerned about finding their son, who cares who finds him?

I found that wording by HO quite callous. It sounds like he was taking it personally. That kinda turned me off a bit.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 02, 2010, 03:10:46 PM

Desiree Young, Kyron's mother, told CBS News' Priya David Clemens about Terri Horman, "There's ice in those veins, there's no feeling."   I'm wondering if Desiree has always felt this way about Terri?

Probably.  Not giving Kaine a pass but ... I know my personal feelings about Terri ... a woman who would have an affair with a man whose wife is eight months pregnant.

That being said ... I do not believe for one minute that Desiree felt for one minute that she was placing her precious two year old son in harms way when she afforded Terri and Kaine custody.

Janet

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Little Boy Lost
Report airs Monday, July 26, 10 p.m./9 C on Dateline NBC
by Kate Snow
NBC News
updated 7/26/2010 6:51:10 PM ET

 
TRANSCRIPT

DESIREE YOUNG: Unfortunately, Kaine was not faithful to me and met another woman.

KATE SNOW: That was Terri?

DESIREE YOUNG: Mm-hmm.

KATE SNOW: So all of the sudden you know that there's another woman. You're eight months pregnant.

DESIREE YOUNG: Yeah.

KATE SNOW: Must have been a low point in your life.

DESIREE YOUNG: Yeah. It was pretty hard to handle. I cried solid for two months and didn't leave the bedroom because I didn't understand why she somehow equated to something that was better than me and my son.

Kaine, however, insists that he and Desiree had broken up before he stated seeing Terri, agreeing to live separate lives under the same roof just until their baby came along.

Kaine and Desiree eventually divorced. At first Desiree moved into a new place near Kaine's home in Portland. Little Kyron lived with her for the first two years of his life. But Desiree was sick with severe kidney problems.

Desiree says she went to Canada for treatment and gave Kaine temporary custody of Kyron. When she got back, still recovering and drowning in medical bills, they decided together that Kyron would be best off staying with his dad. She admits that, despite the anguish Terri had caused her in he past, she now thought Kaine and Terri could give Kyron a good life.


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38420266




Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: Brandi on August 02, 2010, 03:12:00 PM
http://www.koinlocal6.com/content/news/breakingnews/story/Kaine-Desiree-and-Tony-Young-called-before-grand/10QkYxWoqkyk5HGxkWOiMg.cspx
Kaine, Desiree and Tony Young called before grand jury
Last Update: 12:10 pm

Tony Young, Desiree Young and Kaine Horman appeared before a Multnomah County grand jury for the first time Monday, less than a week after Terri Horman’s friend, DeDe Spicher, briefly appeared.

The trio, who have been adamant about Terri’s involvement in the disappearance of 7-year-old Kyron Horman, were stoic and speechless before a throng of cameras outside the courthouse on Southwest 4th avenue.

It’s unclear what charges the grand jury is pondering, but the only thing all those people - Kaine, Desiree, Tony and DeDe - have in common is Terri Horman and Kyron Horman.

 


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: no rose colored glasses on August 02, 2010, 03:15:47 PM
Thanks Brandi


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: Brandi on August 02, 2010, 03:16:35 PM
http://www.koinlocal6.com/content/news/breakingnews/story/Kaine-Desiree-and-Tony-Young-called-before-grand/10QkYxWoqkyk5HGxkWOiMg.cspx
Kaine, Desiree and Tony Young called before grand jury
Last Update: 12:10 pm

Tony Young, Desiree Young and Kaine Horman appeared before a Multnomah County grand jury for the first time Monday, less than a week after Terri Horman’s friend, DeDe Spicher, briefly appeared.

The trio, who have been adamant about Terri’s involvement in the disappearance of 7-year-old Kyron Horman, were stoic and speechless before a throng of cameras outside the courthouse on Southwest 4th avenue.

It’s unclear what charges the grand jury is pondering, but the only thing all those people - Kaine, Desiree, Tony and DeDe - have in common is Terri Horman and Kyron Horman.


(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/Kyron/Image15-1.png)


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: Lucky7 on August 02, 2010, 03:18:31 PM
Wow thanks Brandi


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: can on August 02, 2010, 03:18:41 PM
Good Afternoon Monkeys and Guest!

Just checking in on Kyron. In response to Lifesong.....not I...but would love to be in Terri's presence alone for about 15 minutes.

Has anyone seen or heard it verified that Terri was in both of the grocery stores and how long she was there?  90 minutes is plenty of time to strangle a lil boy and dump the body. I don't find it strange that she went to the gym afterwards and acted normal.....Casey Anthony was seen arm in arm with Tony renting murder movies and her baby in the trunk of her car dead.

Terri seems just as cold and heartless as Casey.

Darla, I agree with your premise that 90 minutes is plenty of time,
even if not premeditated.   


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: Gypsy DD on August 02, 2010, 03:19:05 PM



Quote from: sassifrass on July 29, 2010, 01:21:55 PM (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8311.msg1194871#msg1194871)
Quote
The monkeys made it on the TH support page.   

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Terri-Horman-Support-Page/131975590176118#!/topic.php?uid=131975590176118&topic=162

Terri Horman Support Page Mary~ I also want to point out online at Scared Monkeys is some of Terri's friends if you look into it most of Terri's friends are Christians and go to church. <snipped>

When I first saw this post a few days ago, I just shrugged it off.  Now, however,  I've had some second thoughts.

So...  I'm just going to ask, both out of curiousity and in the interests of full disclosure.

Are any of the posters here friends with Terri, either in real life or online?  Anybody posting here been in communication with Terri either presently or in the past?



.... or friends with Kaine or ... in communication with Kaine?

Janet

I do not know or communicate with anyone  involved in this case... ::MonkeyJnBox::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: can on August 02, 2010, 03:23:42 PM
I just can't get past the fact that Terri isn't declaring her innocence. 
Not even through her lawyer is she speaking of Kiara...how she misses her, etc.
Nor have the networks shown any of Terri's friends speaking up for her, at least not that I'm aware of.   It seems so strange.


Could it be that Terri's story is forthcoming?  Could it be that Terri's high profile attorney is waiting until the time is deemed right?

Desiree and Kaine may be making big bucks from the major networks and publications (CBS/ABC/NBC/CNN/PEOPLE) for interviews/sale of photos.  However ... somehow I believe the amount will pale compared to the deal that Stephen Houze will negotiate for his client's account regarding the events the encompass the morning of June 4, 2010 as well as the dynamics within the Horman's household that led up to that day.  This guy is not representing Terri for nothing.  The $350,000 retainer has been refuted.

Then there is DeDe's story ...

As always ... in my opinion

Janet


Little Boy Lost
Report airs Monday, July 26, 10 p.m./9 C on Dateline NBC
by Kate Snow
NBC News
updated 7/26/2010 6:51:10 PM ET


TRANSCRIPT

Photographs of missing 7-year-old Kyron Horman provided by the family

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38420266


Kyron’s Parents Describe Web of Deception from Stepmom (With Audio)
Saturday, July 10th, 2010


Terri Horman’s attorney, Stephen Houze, has told reporters neither he nor his client will comment on the case.

http://blogs.wweek.com/news/tag/desiree-young/


Janet, I don't know if Terri's story is forthcoming? 

Janet, I can't provide you with the link, but I know that Desiree has said they won't be accepting any money for their interviews.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 02, 2010, 03:24:05 PM
Pulled from another post:

OAKES: We made multiple pleas to get a scent article. If they`re so concerned about finding their son, who cares who finds him?

I found that wording by HO quite callous. It sounds like he was taking it personally. That kinda turned me off a bit.

It may be just frustration.  I believe that this guy is sincerely attempting to assist but ... he is experiencing roadblocks at every turn ... roadblocks from those he feel should be supportive of his efforts.

I have a love/hate relationship with HO.  Maybe credibility implies that HO  required a spokesperson to speak on his behalf.  It appears that everytime this guy speaks ... he comes across as arrogant.  IMO

Janet


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: darla on August 02, 2010, 03:27:30 PM
Good Afternoon Monkeys and Guest!

Just checking in on Kyron. In response to Lifesong.....not I...but would love to be in Terri's presence alone for about 15 minutes.

Has anyone seen or heard it verified that Terri was in both of the grocery stores and how long she was there?  90 minutes is plenty of time to strangle a lil boy and dump the body. I don't find it strange that she went to the gym afterwards and acted normal.....Casey Anthony was seen arm in arm with Tony renting murder movies and her baby in the trunk of her car dead.

Terri seems just as cold and heartless as Casey.

Darla, I agree with your premise that 90 minutes is plenty of time,
even if not premeditated.   



She also had plenty of opportunties to have already had her dump site ready. IIRC Kaine said she had the truck another day to take the project to school. And she had from approimately 8 am til 3:30 pm All that week.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: darla on August 02, 2010, 03:30:59 PM
even through her lawyer is she speaking of Kiara...how she misses her, etc.
Nor have the networks shoI just can't get past the fact that Terri isn't declaring her innocence. 
Not wn any of Terri's friends speaking up for her, at least not that I'm aware of.   It seems so strange.


Could it be that Terri's story is forthcoming?  Could it be that Terri's high profile attorney is waiting until the time is deemed right?
Desiree and Kaine may be making big bucks from the major networks and publications (CBS/ABC/NBC/CNN/PEOPLE) for interviews/sale of photos.  However ... somehow I believe the amount will pale compared to the deal that Stephen Houze will negotiate for his client's account regarding the events the encompass the morning of June 4, 2010 as well as the dynamics within the Horman's household that led up to that day.  This guy is not representing Terri for nothing.  The $350,000 retainer has been refuted.

Then there is DeDe's story ...

As always ... in my opinion

Janet


Little Boy Lost
Report airs Monday, July 26, 10 p.m./9 C on Dateline NBC
by Kate Snow
NBC News
updated 7/26/2010 6:51:10 PM ET


TRANSCRIPT

Photographs of missing 7-year-old Kyron Horman provided by the family

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38420266


Kyron’s Parents Describe Web of Deception from Stepmom (With Audio)
Saturday, July 10th, 2010


Terri Horman’s attorney, Stephen Houze, has told reporters neither he nor his client will comment on the case.

http://blogs.wweek.com/news/tag/desiree-young/


Janet, I don't know if Terri's story is forthcoming? 

Janet, I can't provide you with the link, but I know that Desiree has said they won't be accepting any money for their interviews.





I don't buy the waiting until the time is deemed right....if she had nothing to do with it, the time would have been right 5 minutes after he was reported missing.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: Tracygirl on August 02, 2010, 03:31:05 PM



Quote from: sassifrass on July 29, 2010, 01:21:55 PM (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8311.msg1194871#msg1194871)
Quote
The monkeys made it on the TH support page.   

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Terri-Horman-Support-Page/131975590176118#!/topic.php?uid=131975590176118&topic=162

Terri Horman Support Page Mary~ I also want to point out online at Scared Monkeys is some of Terri's friends if you look into it most of Terri's friends are Christians and go to church. <snipped>

When I first saw this post a few days ago, I just shrugged it off.  Now, however,  I've had some second thoughts.

So...  I'm just going to ask, both out of curiousity and in the interests of full disclosure.

Are any of the posters here friends with Terri, either in real life or online?  Anybody posting here been in communication with Terri either presently or in the past?



I am not but have to say I wish I was. I would love the chance to talk with Terri and get her side of the story. I would love to ask her questions that have been bothering me. I too would love to speak to Desiree because I feel a connection with her.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: can on August 02, 2010, 03:31:18 PM
Good Afternoon Monkeys and Guest!

Just checking in on Kyron. In response to Lifesong.....not I...but would love to be in Terri's presence alone for about 15 minutes.

Has anyone seen or heard it verified that Terri was in both of the grocery stores and how long she was there?  90 minutes is plenty of time to strangle a lil boy and dump the body. I don't find it strange that she went to the gym afterwards and acted normal.....Casey Anthony was seen arm in arm with Tony renting murder movies and her baby in the trunk of her car dead.

Terri seems just as cold and heartless as Casey.

Darla, I agree with your premise that 90 minutes is plenty of time,
even if not premeditated.   



She also had plenty of opportunties to have already had her dump site ready. IIRC Kaine said she had the truck another day to take the project to school. And she had from approimately 8 am til 3:30 pm All that week.

for sure darla, for sure. 


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 02, 2010, 03:31:47 PM
I just can't get past the fact that Terri isn't declaring her innocence. 
Not even through her lawyer is she speaking of Kiara...how she misses her, etc.
Nor have the networks shown any of Terri's friends speaking up for her, at least not that I'm aware of.   It seems so strange.


Could it be that Terri's story is forthcoming?  Could it be that Terri's high profile attorney is waiting until the time is deemed right?

Desiree and Kaine may be making big bucks from the major networks and publications (CBS/ABC/NBC/CNN/PEOPLE) for interviews/sale of photos.  However ... somehow I believe the amount will pale compared to the deal that Stephen Houze will negotiate for his client's account regarding the events the encompass the morning of June 4, 2010 as well as the dynamics within the Horman's household that led up to that day.  This guy is not representing Terri for nothing.  The $350,000 retainer has been refuted.

Then there is DeDe's story ...

As always ... in my opinion

Janet


Little Boy Lost
Report airs Monday, July 26, 10 p.m./9 C on Dateline NBC
by Kate Snow
NBC News
updated 7/26/2010 6:51:10 PM ET


TRANSCRIPT

Photographs of missing 7-year-old Kyron Horman provided by the family

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38420266


Kyron’s Parents Describe Web of Deception from Stepmom (With Audio)
Saturday, July 10th, 2010


Terri Horman’s attorney, Stephen Houze, has told reporters neither he nor his client will comment on the case.

http://blogs.wweek.com/news/tag/desiree-young/


Janet, I don't know if Terri's story is forthcoming? 

Janet, I can't provide you with the link, but I know that Desiree has said they won't be accepting any money for their interviews.


You may be right Can.  However ... the major networks and publications claim they do not pay for interviews ... just photos.

Janet

+++++


Kyron’s Parents in Touch With Oprah but Say They Won’t Take Money for the Story
11:08 AM July 30th, 2010 by James Pitkin


The parents of missing 7-year-old Kyron Horman tell WW that producers for Oprah Winfrey have contacted them. But Kaine Horman and Desiree Young say they won’t take money for the story of Kyron’s disappearance.

“We wouldn’t sell it,” Young said in an interview Tuesday.

“Oh yeah,” Horman agreed. “It’s not about money.”

They said they’ve been in contact with producers from The Oprah Show. But they said they’ve received no offers yet for book or movie deals.

http://blogs.wweek.com/news/2010/07/30/kyrons-parents-in-touch-with-oprah-but-say-they-wont-take-money-for-story/



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: Gypsy DD on August 02, 2010, 03:34:29 PM
Welcome Lucky7 - yes I've been following DeDe's cousin (Tom Jones) very closely.  One of his posts from last night:

Quote
Jonesr(OP)
User ID: 1055168
United States
8/1/2010 8:22 PM

knowing what I feel with everyfiber of by being, I know and understand now why she had to. You see there is a rat lose and running arond among us.
This rat is huge.
This rat is vicious, it is so damn vicious and cold it can abscond with and make gone the most innocent members of our society.
Porland Oregon has been rivited by this case.
We are scared and very pissed off.
We will jump at straws just at the slightest chance of finding any thing out.
We want Kyron home so bad we will look and look any place possible to even come close to Finding a clue to his discovery.
We will spend hours thinking about it, pondering the possibilities.
We are going to come to the best conclusions possible according to any and all information absorbed fact or fiction, because none of us know for sure.
We will hold on to those beliefs we have spent cultivating in our minds with the utmost passion.
All challengers beware.
My cousin base become the focus of this attention.
She is bearing the weight if the worlds scruitny and it's all bad.
I'm have put my self between that laser of hate and her.
She, in the only sencible thing that could be done by someone to find themselves in that position, would have caught that damn rat.
Even if it meant putting her self in this position.
You see Dede excells at everything she trys shy of keeping off the weight.
I'm convinced buy the epifany brought on by Tony, of almost exactly what I think happened.
She was a good supportive friend at first, then started smelling a rat, and thought about it, you read her profile, read her tweets, quotes, and humor.
Does she sound dumb and uneducated? How bout irresponsible? She paid attention and took appropriate action, now if you take that point of view and use it to explain the courts actions lately well I'm just crazy enough ot see something. So ask me again if I'm fine with her silence.


Can someine please tell me what he is trying to say in this post?  I just don't get what he means by it.  Sorry..I must be brain dead today.

And what is Tony's epifany?

tyia


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: can on August 02, 2010, 03:35:14 PM
lol Janet.  It didn't take you long to find that.  I knew if anyone could find it you could!
For the time being I will take the parents at their word with the hope there is not that nasty distinction - lic. fees for pic.'s.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: d in texas on August 02, 2010, 03:42:18 PM
Maybe Terri just handed Kyron off. Maybe thats why she was not dirty? If she did hand him off and dede was involved it could be because dede knew the person to hand him off to? could dede be the brains behind the kidnapping? I dont know but I try to look at all the options.
anything is possible, and I do think DeDe is involved, why I have no idea. 
The time line of her leaving the gym and going home what did she do for 40 minutes? or is that just what is known when she left and when she got on facebook?

12:40 p.m. left gym  By 1:21, Terri claimed she'd traveled home - a distance of nearly 11 miles - and was posting photos on Facebook (40 minutes)
http://www.katu.com/news/local/99151549.html (http://www.katu.com/news/local/99151549.html)

Another thought was she going to say she went home early because of Kiara not feeling well and somebody posting/playing on her facebook account?  But that didn't work out while doing the deed, so scraped that plan and went to plan b?

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Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: can on August 02, 2010, 03:43:42 PM
Welcome Lucky7 - yes I've been following DeDe's cousin (Tom Jones) very closely.  One of his posts from last night:

Quote
Jonesr(OP)
User ID: 1055168
United States
8/1/2010 8:22 PM

knowing what I feel with everyfiber of by being, I know and understand now why she had to. You see there is a rat lose and running arond among us.
This rat is huge.
This rat is vicious, it is so damn vicious and cold it can abscond with and make gone the most innocent members of our society.
Porland Oregon has been rivited by this case.
We are scared and very pissed off.
We will jump at straws just at the slightest chance of finding any thing out.
We want Kyron home so bad we will look and look any place possible to even come close to Finding a clue to his discovery.
We will spend hours thinking about it, pondering the possibilities.
We are going to come to the best conclusions possible according to any and all information absorbed fact or fiction, because none of us know for sure.
We will hold on to those beliefs we have spent cultivating in our minds with the utmost passion.
All challengers beware.
My cousin base become the focus of this attention.
She is bearing the weight if the worlds scruitny and it's all bad.
I'm have put my self between that laser of hate and her.
She, in the only sencible thing that could be done by someone to find themselves in that position, would have caught that damn rat.
Even if it meant putting her self in this position.
You see Dede excells at everything she trys shy of keeping off the weight.
I'm convinced buy the epifany brought on by Tony, of almost exactly what I think happened.
She was a good supportive friend at first, then started smelling a rat, and thought about it, you read her profile, read her tweets, quotes, and humor.
Does she sound dumb and uneducated? How bout irresponsible? She paid attention and took appropriate action, now if you take that point of view and use it to explain the courts actions lately well I'm just crazy enough ot see something. So ask me again if I'm fine with her silence.


Can someine please tell me what he is trying to say in this post?  I just don't get what he means by it.  Sorry..I must be brain dead today.

And what is Tony's epifany?

tyia

Gypsy I wish I could but don't get a lot of what he says.  He's putting things out there then not explaining.  Is he teasing?  I don't know, but I tend to like plain talk. 


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 02, 2010, 03:49:18 PM
even through her lawyer is she speaking of Kiara...how she misses her, etc.
Nor have the networks shoI just can't get past the fact that Terri isn't declaring her innocence. 
Not wn any of Terri's friends speaking up for her, at least not that I'm aware of.   It seems so strange.


Could it be that Terri's story is forthcoming?  Could it be that Terri's high profile attorney is waiting until the time is deemed right?
Desiree and Kaine may be making big bucks from the major networks and publications (CBS/ABC/NBC/CNN/PEOPLE) for interviews/sale of photos.  However ... somehow I believe the amount will pale compared to the deal that Stephen Houze will negotiate for his client's account regarding the events the encompass the morning of June 4, 2010 as well as the dynamics within the Horman's household that led up to that day.  This guy is not representing Terri for nothing.  The $350,000 retainer has been refuted.

Then there is DeDe's story ...

As always ... in my opinion

Janet


Little Boy Lost
Report airs Monday, July 26, 10 p.m./9 C on Dateline NBC
by Kate Snow
NBC News
updated 7/26/2010 6:51:10 PM ET


TRANSCRIPT

Photographs of missing 7-year-old Kyron Horman provided by the family

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38420266


Kyron’s Parents Describe Web of Deception from Stepmom (With Audio)
Saturday, July 10th, 2010


Terri Horman’s attorney, Stephen Houze, has told reporters neither he nor his client will comment on the case.

http://blogs.wweek.com/news/tag/desiree-young/


Janet, I don't know if Terri's story is forthcoming? 

Janet, I can't provide you with the link, but I know that Desiree has said they won't be accepting any money for their interviews.





I don't buy the waiting until the time is deemed right....if she had nothing to do with it, the time would have been right 5 minutes after he was reported missing.

darla

I believe that Terri is behind the disappearance of Kyron ... you believe that Terri is behind the disappearance of Kyron but ... the it still remains a given fast forward two months from June 4, 2010 this woman has not even been declared a person of interest in the MFH plot and/or the disappearance of Kyron.

Obviously ... Terri's attorney believes it is in her best interest not say anything at this point but ... in the future ... IF is revealed there is no solid evidence to warrant charges ... I suspect that lawsuits ... book/movie deals as well as network interviews ... is where it will be at.

How is Terri's high profiled attorney expecting to be paid for services?

IMO

Janet

+++++++


Kyron’s Parents in Touch With Oprah but Say They Won’t Take Money for the Story
11:08 AM July 30th, 2010 by James Pitkin

 
According to The Oregonian, Terri Moulton Horman’s lawyer filed a response Thursday calling that reported amount “grossly inaccurate.”

http://blogs.wweek.com/news/2010/07/30/kyrons-parents-in-touch-with-oprah-but-say-they-wont-take-money-for-story/


Dad Believes Stepmom Involved In Disappearance
Restraining Order Against Terri Horman Filed June 28
POSTED: 12:31 pm PDT July 8, 2010
UPDATED: 4:46 pm PDT July 8, 2010


PORTLAND, Ore. -- The father of a missing Portland boy said police gave him "probable cause to believe" the 7-year-old's stepmother was involved in the disappearance, according to a restraining order released to the public Thursday.

In the order, filed June 28, Kaine Horman also said Terri Horman tried to hire someone to kill him.

"I believe respondent (Terri Horman) is involved in the disappearance of my son Kyron who has been missing since June 4, 2010. I also recently learned that the respondent attempted to hire someone to murder me. The police have provided me with probable cause to believe the above two statements to be true," according to the court documents.

Kaine Horman answered, "Respondent attempted to hire someone to murder me" to several questions in the order, including his explanation why Terri Horman should not be allowed access to guns.

The 36-year-old Portland man was granted temporary custody of the couple's 19-month-old daughter, according to the court documents, and Terri Horman is not allowed within 500 feet of him.

http://www.kptv.com/news/24186798/detail.html



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: Lucky7 on August 02, 2010, 03:51:32 PM
Maybe Terri just handed Kyron off. Maybe thats why she was not dirty? If she did hand him off and dede was involved it could be because dede knew the person to hand him off to? could dede be the brains behind the kidnapping? I dont know but I try to look at all the options.
anything is possible, and I do think DeDe is involved, why I have no idea. 
The time line of her leaving the gym and going home what did she do for 40 minutes? or is that just what is known when she left and when she got on facebook?

12:40 p.m. left gym  By 1:21, Terri claimed she'd traveled home - a distance of nearly 11 miles - and was posting photos on Facebook (40 minutes)
http://www.katu.com/news/local/99151549.html (http://www.katu.com/news/local/99151549.html)

Another thought was she going to say she went home early because of Kiara not feeling well and somebody posting/playing on her facebook account?  But that didn't work out while doing the deed, so scraped that plan and went to plan b?

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Where was Kiara? was she at the science fair. somone posted as a teacher from skyline on Oregon Live stating Kiara wasnt there. if she had an earache why would she take her to the gym?
I have wondered about the dr appointments being verified~dates ect..what the staff at gym said ~were there cameras at the gym? was kiara with terri ? was she crying with an earache at the gym?why take her there if she has an earache ? why drive her around ? did she take her to the dr to get her some ear meds?or was that all a lie?


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: d in texas on August 02, 2010, 03:51:55 PM
Pulled from another post:

OAKES: We made multiple pleas to get a scent article. If they`re so concerned about finding their son, who cares who finds him?

I found that wording by HO quite callous. It sounds like he was taking it personally. That kinda turned me off a bit.

I took it as frustration, I too couldn't understand why not, what would it hurt, if my child was missing I wouldn't care if it was the Easter Bunny looking for him, and HO didn't go public he was even in the area until after he was turned away.
Even though he is controversial he has the proper dogs, and has found children lost on that one.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: Tracygirl on August 02, 2010, 03:54:57 PM
Am I correct in thinking that DeDe left her job site the same time Terri says she went to the gym?
Didn't I read somewhere that Terri and Dede went to the same gym?

I really do think if DeDe is involved she is the middle man between Terri and the person that moved Kyron. In the article that Sebastian posted for me about the underground, the people running it state very frankly if someone gets caught or if someone is found after being hidden, then they are on their own. They sacrifice that person for the good of all, (in their opinions). I believe this scenario is possible. I wouldn't be surprised if this is what happened and that Kyron is now in another country. 


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: Lucky7 on August 02, 2010, 03:55:38 PM
Pulled from another post:

OAKES: We made multiple pleas to get a scent article. If they`re so concerned about finding their son, who cares who finds him?

I found that wording by HO quite callous. It sounds like he was taking it personally. That kinda turned me off a bit.

I took it as frustration, I too couldn't understand why not, what would it hurt, if my child was missing I wouldn't care if it was the Easter Bunny looking for him, and HO didn't go public he was even in the area until after he was turned away.
Even though he is controversial he has the proper dogs, and has found children lost on that one.
If ho dogs are alerting and he is asking for a diver, I cant understand the police not just even getting there team with a dog out there; to line up with what he is saying and then go from there.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: Tracygirl on August 02, 2010, 04:00:05 PM
Pulled from another post:

OAKES: We made multiple pleas to get a scent article. If they`re so concerned about finding their son, who cares who finds him?

I found that wording by HO quite callous. It sounds like he was taking it personally. That kinda turned me off a bit.

I took it as frustration, I too couldn't understand why not, what would it hurt, if my child was missing I wouldn't care if it was the Easter Bunny looking for him, and HO didn't go public he was even in the area until after he was turned away.
Even though he is controversial he has the proper dogs, and has found children lost on that one.
If ho dogs are alerting and he is asking for a diver, I cant understand the police not just even getting there team with a dog out there; to line up with what he is saying and then go from there.

Yea I took it the same way...He was frustrated. Le needs to check it out, regardless if they believe it is Kyron, if there is a dead body in the water it needs to be recovered. The thought of a dead body there is just sickening to me. 


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 02, 2010, 04:02:02 PM
lol Janet.  It didn't take you long to find that.  I knew if anyone could find it you could!
For the time being I will take the parents at their word with the hope there is not that nasty distinction - lic. fees for pic.'s.

Can

IF Kyron's parents are being financially compensated for appearances/photos on the network circuit ... so be it!  Why should the networks only profit by the increased ratings.  I suspect that most Monkeys would give Kaine and Desiree the benefit of the doubt that answers regarding the disappearance of their precious son is the motivating factor.

Janet


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: Gypsy DD on August 02, 2010, 04:02:57 PM
Welcome Lucky7 - yes I've been following DeDe's cousin (Tom Jones) very closely.  One of his posts from last night:

Quote
Jonesr(OP)
User ID: 1055168
United States
8/1/2010 8:22 PM

knowing what I feel with everyfiber of by being, I know and understand now why she had to. You see there is a rat lose and running arond among us.
This rat is huge.
This rat is vicious, it is so damn vicious and cold it can abscond with and make gone the most innocent members of our society.
Porland Oregon has been rivited by this case.
We are scared and very pissed off.
We will jump at straws just at the slightest chance of finding any thing out.
We want Kyron home so bad we will look and look any place possible to even come close to Finding a clue to his discovery.
We will spend hours thinking about it, pondering the possibilities.
We are going to come to the best conclusions possible according to any and all information absorbed fact or fiction, because none of us know for sure.
We will hold on to those beliefs we have spent cultivating in our minds with the utmost passion.
All challengers beware.
My cousin base become the focus of this attention.
She is bearing the weight if the worlds scruitny and it's all bad.
I'm have put my self between that laser of hate and her.
She, in the only sencible thing that could be done by someone to find themselves in that position, would have caught that damn rat.
Even if it meant putting her self in this position.
You see Dede excells at everything she trys shy of keeping off the weight.
I'm convinced buy the epifany brought on by Tony, of almost exactly what I think happened.
She was a good supportive friend at first, then started smelling a rat, and thought about it, you read her profile, read her tweets, quotes, and humor.
Does she sound dumb and uneducated? How bout irresponsible? She paid attention and took appropriate action, now if you take that point of view and use it to explain the courts actions lately well I'm just crazy enough ot see something. So ask me again if I'm fine with her silence.


Can someine please tell me what he is trying to say in this post?  I just don't get what he means by it.  Sorry..I must be brain dead today.

And what is Tony's epifany?

tyia

Gypsy I wish I could but don't get a lot of what he says.  He's putting things out there then not explaining.  Is he teasing?  I don't know, but I tend to like plain talk. 

TY CAN.

I didn't know that Tony had an epiphany either..what does he mean by that ?


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: Scatty on August 02, 2010, 04:03:13 PM
Welcome Lucky7 - yes I've been following DeDe's cousin (Tom Jones) very closely.  One of his posts from last night:

Quote
Jonesr(OP)
User ID: 1055168
United States
8/1/2010 8:22 PM

knowing what I feel with everyfiber of by being, I know and understand now why she had to. You see there is a rat lose and running arond among us.
This rat is huge.
This rat is vicious, it is so damn vicious and cold it can abscond with and make gone the most innocent members of our society.
Porland Oregon has been rivited by this case.
We are scared and very pissed off.
We will jump at straws just at the slightest chance of finding any thing out.
We want Kyron home so bad we will look and look any place possible to even come close to Finding a clue to his discovery.
We will spend hours thinking about it, pondering the possibilities.
We are going to come to the best conclusions possible according to any and all information absorbed fact or fiction, because none of us know for sure.
We will hold on to those beliefs we have spent cultivating in our minds with the utmost passion.
All challengers beware.
My cousin base become the focus of this attention.
She is bearing the weight if the worlds scruitny and it's all bad.
I'm have put my self between that laser of hate and her.
She, in the only sencible thing that could be done by someone to find themselves in that position, would have caught that damn rat.
Even if it meant putting her self in this position.
You see Dede excells at everything she trys shy of keeping off the weight.
I'm convinced buy the epifany brought on by Tony, of almost exactly what I think happened.
She was a good supportive friend at first, then started smelling a rat, and thought about it, you read her profile, read her tweets, quotes, and humor.
Does she sound dumb and uneducated? How bout irresponsible? She paid attention and took appropriate action, now if you take that point of view and use it to explain the courts actions lately well I'm just crazy enough ot see something. So ask me again if I'm fine with her silence.


Can someine please tell me what he is trying to say in this post?  I just don't get what he means by it.  Sorry..I must be brain dead today.

And what is Tony's epifany?

tyia

Gypsy I wish I could but don't get a lot of what he says.  He's putting things out there then not explaining.  Is he teasing?  I don't know, but I tend to like plain talk. 

Agree. What action has Dede taken? If he's "seeing something" why not clue the rest of us in on it? Where's the harm? It's not like it's going to tip Terri off any more than just the insinuation would. He was quite clear in his earlier posts, why get all obscure and mysterious now? I think the obscurity is a result of not knowing anything new but trying to defend his cousin anyway. Methinks he got a harsh family lecture for his early posts.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: Blonde on August 02, 2010, 04:04:23 PM
VIDEO: KYRON'S STEPMOM STILL NOT TALKING

CBS - 1 hour ago
August 2, 2010

Media attention continues to be focused on Kyron Horman's stepmother and her friend Dede Spicher.

Priya David Clemens reports.

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?...CBSNews.com%29


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: Lifesong on August 02, 2010, 04:09:50 PM
http://www.koinlocal6.com/content/news/breakingnews/story/Kaine-Desiree-and-Tony-Young-called-before-grand/10QkYxWoqkyk5HGxkWOiMg.cspx
Kaine, Desiree and Tony Young called before grand jury
Last Update: 12:10 pm

Tony Young, Desiree Young and Kaine Horman appeared before a Multnomah County grand jury for the first time Monday, less than a week after Terri Horman’s friend, DeDe Spicher, briefly appeared.

The trio, who have been adamant about Terri’s involvement in the disappearance of 7-year-old Kyron Horman, were stoic and speechless before a throng of cameras outside the courthouse on Southwest 4th avenue.

It’s unclear what charges the grand jury is pondering, but the only thing all those people - Kaine, Desiree, Tony and DeDe - have in common is Terri Horman and Kyron Horman.

 

Well, I think this is good news!  I'd thought it was odd that they hadn't been called to testify. 

Thanks for posting it, Brandi.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: Blonde on August 02, 2010, 04:14:03 PM
Still on Sauvie Island - walking around:

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1141412/pg99

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Re: MY COUSIN HAS JUST BEEN IMPLICATED IN THE KYRON HORMAN CASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!   Quote

The refuge is huge, walked aroud for a little while, the grass is hip to sholder height, full of thick bushes, trees and blackberry bushes, I'm scratched up and my feet are wet, and cuvered with grass seeds and fox tails in my socks. I would have to change befroe giong to store if I were a woman.

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/SchoolAlbertsons.jpg)

This link is a map showing the school and the stores that Terri went to, maybe it will help.

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1141412/pg100


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: Scatty on August 02, 2010, 04:15:00 PM
http://www.koinlocal6.com/content/news/breakingnews/story/Kaine-Desiree-and-Tony-Young-called-before-grand/10QkYxWoqkyk5HGxkWOiMg.cspx
Kaine, Desiree and Tony Young called before grand jury
Last Update: 12:10 pm

Tony Young, Desiree Young and Kaine Horman appeared before a Multnomah County grand jury for the first time Monday, less than a week after Terri Horman’s friend, DeDe Spicher, briefly appeared.

The trio, who have been adamant about Terri’s involvement in the disappearance of 7-year-old Kyron Horman, were stoic and speechless before a throng of cameras outside the courthouse on Southwest 4th avenue.

It’s unclear what charges the grand jury is pondering, but the only thing all those people - Kaine, Desiree, Tony and DeDe - have in common is Terri Horman and Kyron Horman.

 

Well, I think this is good news!  I'd thought it was odd that they hadn't been called to testify. 

Thanks for posting it, Brandi.

I don't recall, has Terri been called by the grand jury yet?


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: Lucky7 on August 02, 2010, 04:16:05 PM
http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=6736428n&tag=related;photovideo

The Key to Finding Kyron Horman
 

Former captain with the Multnomah county sheriff's office Bruce Mccain spoke with Erica Hill on the latest in the search for Kyron Horman and the probe on his step mother and those who know her.

Video 8/2  states dede said she didnt have her phone with her on Jun 4th (however I remember seeing somewhere she called terri for 3 min during the 90 min timeframe) (her atty also said she never left the home she was working at) <in another video ~how strange is all that.


 


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: seahorse on August 02, 2010, 04:20:09 PM
http://www.koinlocal6.com/content/news/breakingnews/story/Kaine-Desiree-and-Tony-Young-called-before-grand/10QkYxWoqkyk5HGxkWOiMg.cspx
Kaine, Desiree and Tony Young called before grand jury
Last Update: 12:10 pm

Tony Young, Desiree Young and Kaine Horman appeared before a Multnomah County grand jury for the first time Monday, less than a week after Terri Horman’s friend, DeDe Spicher, briefly appeared.

The trio, who have been adamant about Terri’s involvement in the disappearance of 7-year-old Kyron Horman, were stoic and speechless before a throng of cameras outside the courthouse on Southwest 4th avenue.

It’s unclear what charges the grand jury is pondering, but the only thing all those people - Kaine, Desiree, Tony and DeDe - have in common is Terri Horman and Kyron Horman.

 

Well, I think this is good news!  I'd thought it was odd that they hadn't been called to testify. 

Thanks for posting it, Brandi.

I don't recall, has Terri been called by the grand jury yet?

Scatty  ::HelloKitty::

Not to my knowledge has SM been to the GJ.  She and Mum were at her Attorneys (a few wks ago) for a nine hour clip (reportly) so what was she doing for nine hours at the office?  My guess she is practicing her answers.

Do you monkeys think SM will be the last person to be called into the G.J.?  That is of course is she is called.  ::CowboySmiley::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: seahorse on August 02, 2010, 04:24:58 PM
http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=6736428n&tag=related;photovideo

The Key to Finding Kyron Horman
 

Former captain with the Multnomah county sheriff's office Bruce Mccain spoke with Erica Hill on the latest in the search for Kyron Horman and the probe on his step mother and those who know her.

Video 8/2  states dede said she didnt have her phone with her on Jun 4th (however I remember seeing somewhere she called terri for 3 min during the 90 min timeframe) (her atty also said she never left the home she was working at) <in another video ~how strange is all that.


 

Pay phone's?  "Super Man" telephone booths still available for the public?  I wonder if the "two grocers" have land phones for customers?  Was a phone call made from the grocers?  could be on video. ::MonkeyJnBox::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: Lucky7 on August 02, 2010, 04:26:46 PM
I have went over dedes tweets the only one she tweeted during the time she lived with Terri was

Heads up PDX peeps: the Red Robin in Wilsonville has no A/C. I think their heat may be on.
9:07 PM Jul 9th via txt

I believe she knows http://twitter.com/EnLocale somehow. the way she talks to her about loving to help her in the kitchen After Kyron goes missing and she is with terri this whole time supporting her.

@EnLocale I'd love to help you in the kitchen. What, when, where??? (thx for the head's up @Rosemont_Farm!)
1:00 PM Jun 11th via web

for some reason she tweets rosemont alot encole does as well. Im not saying rosemont or encole is involved however I do feel that a little boy is missing from a friend you know and TOTALY support and your going to go cook?soon after? ODD

I think the people she was cooking with after kyron goes missing needs to be questioned.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 02, 2010, 04:27:48 PM
VIDEO: KYRON'S STEPMOM STILL NOT TALKING

CBS - 1 hour ago
August 2, 2010

Media attention continues to be focused on Kyron Horman's stepmother and her friend Dede Spicher.

Priya David Clemens reports.

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?...CBSNews.com%29

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=6736232n


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: klaasend on August 02, 2010, 04:27:59 PM
Still on Sauvie Island - walking around:

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1141412/pg99

Jonesr(OP)
User ID: 1055786
United States
8/2/2010 2:14 PM
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Re: MY COUSIN HAS JUST BEEN IMPLICATED IN THE KYRON HORMAN CASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!   Quote

The refuge is huge, walked aroud for a little while, the grass is hip to sholder height, full of thick bushes, trees and blackberry bushes, I'm scratched up and my feet are wet, and cuvered with grass seeds and fox tails in my socks. I would have to change befroe giong to store if I were a woman.

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/SchoolAlbertsons.jpg)

This link is a map showing the school and the stores that Terri went to, maybe it will help.

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1141412/pg100

Yeah, I posted that for him over in the GLP forum  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: klaasend on August 02, 2010, 04:28:32 PM
http://www.koinlocal6.com/content/news/breakingnews/story/Kaine-Desiree-and-Tony-Young-called-before-grand/10QkYxWoqkyk5HGxkWOiMg.cspx
Kaine, Desiree and Tony Young called before grand jury
Last Update: 12:10 pm

Tony Young, Desiree Young and Kaine Horman appeared before a Multnomah County grand jury for the first time Monday, less than a week after Terri Horman’s friend, DeDe Spicher, briefly appeared.

The trio, who have been adamant about Terri’s involvement in the disappearance of 7-year-old Kyron Horman, were stoic and speechless before a throng of cameras outside the courthouse on Southwest 4th avenue.

It’s unclear what charges the grand jury is pondering, but the only thing all those people - Kaine, Desiree, Tony and DeDe - have in common is Terri Horman and Kyron Horman.

 

Well, I think this is good news!  I'd thought it was odd that they hadn't been called to testify. 

Thanks for posting it, Brandi.

I don't recall, has Terri been called by the grand jury yet?

We haven't heard. 


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: BabsKats on August 02, 2010, 04:28:38 PM
Maybe Terri just handed Kyron off. Maybe thats why she was not dirty? If she did hand him off and dede was involved it could be because dede knew the person to hand him off to? could dede be the brains behind the kidnapping? I dont know but I try to look at all the options.
anything is possible, and I do think DeDe is involved, why I have no idea. 
The time line of her leaving the gym and going home what did she do for 40 minutes? or is that just what is known when she left and when she got on facebook?

12:40 p.m. left gym  By 1:21, Terri claimed she'd traveled home - a distance of nearly 11 miles - and was posting photos on Facebook (40 minutes)
http://www.katu.com/news/local/99151549.html (http://www.katu.com/news/local/99151549.html)

Another thought was she going to say she went home early because of Kiara not feeling well and somebody posting/playing on her facebook account?  But that didn't work out while doing the deed, so scraped that plan and went to plan b?

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Where was Kiara? was she at the science fair. somone posted as a teacher from skyline on Oregon Live stating Kiara wasnt there. if she had an earache why would she take her to the gym?
I have wondered about the dr appointments being verified~dates ect..what the staff at gym said ~were there cameras at the gym? was kiara with terri ? was she crying with an earache at the gym?why take her there if she has an earache ? why drive her around ? did she take her to the dr to get her some ear meds?or was that all a lie?
Welcome Lucky 7, and thank you for questioning "Where was Kiara", I know this has been brought up several times throughout but never a clear answer has been given.  You would think during the Q & A's with Kaine and Desiree a reporter would have at least asked for clarification?  They should be able to answer with some specifics if its been verified that Terri was in the grocery store videos, etc.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: d in texas on August 02, 2010, 04:30:20 PM
lol Janet.  It didn't take you long to find that.  I knew if anyone could find it you could!
For the time being I will take the parents at their word with the hope there is not that nasty distinction - lic. fees for pic.'s.

Can

IF Kyron's parents are being financially compensated for appearances/photos on the network circuit ... so be it!  Why should the networks only profit by the increased ratings.  I suspect that most Monkeys would give Kaine and Desiree the benefit of the doubt that answers regarding the disappearance of their precious son is the motivating factor.

Janet


I agree they can't work, they are upside down, I believe they got $25,000 from Dateline and upped the reward with the money.  I think they should take money they are not going to have a "life" for some time.
The media are blood sucking vipers. 
Terri Horman on the other hand or anyone who commits a crime should not be given a red cent!!

Watching HLN the sheriff is guarding the parents into GJ that is good, so they get left alone.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: Brandi on August 02, 2010, 04:30:39 PM
http://www.koinlocal6.com/content/news/breakingnews/story/Kaine-Desiree-and-Tony-Young-called-before-grand/10QkYxWoqkyk5HGxkWOiMg.cspx
Kaine, Desiree and Tony Young called before grand jury
Last Update: 12:10 pm

Tony Young, Desiree Young and Kaine Horman appeared before a Multnomah County grand jury for the first time Monday, less than a week after Terri Horman’s friend, DeDe Spicher, briefly appeared.

The trio, who have been adamant about Terri’s involvement in the disappearance of 7-year-old Kyron Horman, were stoic and speechless before a throng of cameras outside the courthouse on Southwest 4th avenue.

It’s unclear what charges the grand jury is pondering, but the only thing all those people - Kaine, Desiree, Tony and DeDe - have in common is Terri Horman and Kyron Horman.

 

Well, I think this is good news!  I'd thought it was odd that they hadn't been called to testify. 

Thanks for posting it, Brandi.


BBM .. I think it gives us a clue as to exactly what the GJ is investigating.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: klaasend on August 02, 2010, 04:33:17 PM
BREAKING NEWS:

Desiree, Kaine and Tony to testify for a Multnomah County grand jury beginning 1 p.m

http://www.katu.com/


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: Lucky7 on August 02, 2010, 04:33:39 PM
I believe whoever dede was surronded with around and soon after kyron goes missing needs to be questioned as a little boy is missing & scared.
look at this web page from JJ speaking about portland (they go on Jun 8th)
 
http://www.enlocale.com/wp002/2010/05/30/once-pdx-june-12th-2010-portland-or/
 
Very important ...Three of us, myself and two myrmidons, are traveling economically to Portland Oregon to spend two days going to farms 
 
one of those myrmidons is pea whom talks to dede.

all im saying is they should be questioned at the very least.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: Lucky7 on August 02, 2010, 04:38:20 PM
Maybe Terri just handed Kyron off. Maybe thats why she was not dirty? If she did hand him off and dede was involved it could be because dede knew the person to hand him off to? could dede be the brains behind the kidnapping? I dont know but I try to look at all the options.
anything is possible, and I do think DeDe is involved, why I have no idea. 
The time line of her leaving the gym and going home what did she do for 40 minutes? or is that just what is known when she left and when she got on facebook?

12:40 p.m. left gym  By 1:21, Terri claimed she'd traveled home - a distance of nearly 11 miles - and was posting photos on Facebook (40 minutes)
http://www.katu.com/news/local/99151549.html (http://www.katu.com/news/local/99151549.html)

Another thought was she going to say she went home early because of Kiara not feeling well and somebody posting/playing on her facebook account?  But that didn't work out while doing the deed, so scraped that plan and went to plan b?

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June 4 at 9:01am via Family Feud · Comment · LikeUnlike · Help Terri Now

Where was Kiara? was she at the science fair. somone posted as a teacher from skyline on Oregon Live stating Kiara wasnt there. if she had an earache why would she take her to the gym?
I have wondered about the dr appointments being verified~dates ect..what the staff at gym said ~were there cameras at the gym? was kiara with terri ? was she crying with an earache at the gym?why take her there if she has an earache ? why drive her around ? did she take her to the dr to get her some ear meds?or was that all a lie?
Welcome Lucky 7, and thank you for questioning "Where was Kiara", I know this has been brought up several times throughout but never a clear answer has been given.  You would think during the Q & A's with Kaine and Desiree a reporter would have at least asked for clarification?  They should be able to answer with some specifics if its been verified that Terri was in the grocery store videos, etc.
Thanks BabsKats ! I agree they should get that clarified. from what I gathered about the terri videos in the store is that no one was with her.of couse no one is for sure.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: Lucky7 on August 02, 2010, 04:41:34 PM
BREAKING NEWS:

Desiree, Kaine and Tony to testify for a Multnomah County grand jury beginning 1 p.m

http://www.katu.com/

do you think they are preparing for an arrest?


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: klaasend on August 02, 2010, 04:44:14 PM
BREAKING NEWS:

Desiree, Kaine and Tony to testify for a Multnomah County grand jury beginning 1 p.m

http://www.katu.com/

do you think they are preparing for an arrest?

I thought they were preparing for an arrest weeks ago so what do I know  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: JessStar on August 02, 2010, 04:47:27 PM
http://www.koinlocal6.com/content/news/breakingnews/story/Kaine-Desiree-and-Tony-Young-called-before-grand/10QkYxWoqkyk5HGxkWOiMg.cspx
Kaine, Desiree and Tony Young called before grand jury
Last Update: 12:10 pm

Tony Young, Desiree Young and Kaine Horman appeared before a Multnomah County grand jury for the first time Monday, less than a week after Terri Horman’s friend, DeDe Spicher, briefly appeared.

The trio, who have been adamant about Terri’s involvement in the disappearance of 7-year-old Kyron Horman, were stoic and speechless before a throng of cameras outside the courthouse on Southwest 4th avenue.

It’s unclear what charges the grand jury is pondering, but the only thing all those people - Kaine, Desiree, Tony and DeDe - have in common is Terri Horman and Kyron Horman.

 

Well, I think this is good news!  I'd thought it was odd that they hadn't been called to testify. 

Thanks for posting it, Brandi.

I don't recall, has Terri been called by the grand jury yet?

We haven't heard. 

It would be unusual for the prosecution to subpoena the target of a grand jury investigation to testify before the grand jury.  First, the prosecution is under no obligation to present the defense's side.  Second, the prosecution is under no obligation to present "exculpatory" evidence.  The question is whether there is sufficient evidence to convict.  Since the state cannot compel a criminal defendant to testify at the merits trial, it would be most unusual for a prosecutor to subpoena the target because, assuming the target would not assert the 5th amendment privilege against self-incrimination, the target, if charged, would not likely testify at trial, therefore making the indictment suspect.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: klaasend on August 02, 2010, 04:50:59 PM
Thanks for the gj info JessStar


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: Scatty on August 02, 2010, 04:51:09 PM
http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=6736428n&tag=related;photovideo

The Key to Finding Kyron Horman
 

Former captain with the Multnomah county sheriff's office Bruce Mccain spoke with Erica Hill on the latest in the search for Kyron Horman and the probe on his step mother and those who know her.

Video 8/2  states dede said she didnt have her phone with her on Jun 4th (however I remember seeing somewhere she called terri for 3 min during the 90 min timeframe) (her atty also said she never left the home she was working at) <in another video ~how strange is all that.


 

I could swear I read somewhere that she left after receiving a phone call. Besides that, what if: Terri picked DeDe up (maybe DeDe hat to walk a block to meet her), so DeDe's car was still at the location she worked. Then Terri drives to gym and DeDe takes the wheel. DeDe does what she has to do to help Terri, returns to pick up Terri, and gets dropped back at work, while Terri goes home. Purely hypothetical of course.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: d in texas on August 02, 2010, 04:51:20 PM
BREAKING NEWS:

Desiree, Kaine and Tony to testify for a Multnomah County grand jury beginning 1 p.m

http://www.katu.com/

do you think they are preparing for an arrest?

Would one think since KH,DY and TY were called to Grand Jury it isn't just for the MFH Plot?


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: JessStar on August 02, 2010, 04:52:23 PM
http://www.koinlocal6.com/content/news/breakingnews/story/Kaine-Desiree-and-Tony-Young-called-before-grand/10QkYxWoqkyk5HGxkWOiMg.cspx
Kaine, Desiree and Tony Young called before grand jury
Last Update: 12:10 pm

Tony Young, Desiree Young and Kaine Horman appeared before a Multnomah County grand jury for the first time Monday, less than a week after Terri Horman’s friend, DeDe Spicher, briefly appeared.

The trio, who have been adamant about Terri’s involvement in the disappearance of 7-year-old Kyron Horman, were stoic and speechless before a throng of cameras outside the courthouse on Southwest 4th avenue.

It’s unclear what charges the grand jury is pondering, but the only thing all those people - Kaine, Desiree, Tony and DeDe - have in common is Terri Horman and Kyron Horman.

 

Well, I think this is good news!  I'd thought it was odd that they hadn't been called to testify. 

Thanks for posting it, Brandi.

I don't recall, has Terri been called by the grand jury yet?

We haven't heard. 

It would be unusual for the prosecution to subpoena the target of a grand jury investigation to testify before the grand jury.  First, the prosecution is under no obligation to present the defense's side.  Second, the prosecution is under no obligation to present "exculpatory" evidence.  The question is whether there is sufficient evidence to convict.  Since the state cannot compel a criminal defendant to testify at the merits trial, it would be most unusual for a prosecutor to subpoena the target because, assuming the target would not assert the 5th amendment privilege against self-incrimination, the target, if charged, would not likely testify at trial, therefore making the indictment suspect.


Just to clarify, the indictment would be suspect because it would be based on evidence the prosecution would most likely not have the chance to present at the merits trial--that is, the target's, now defendant's, testimony.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: JessStar on August 02, 2010, 04:52:54 PM
Thanks for the gj info JessStar

You bet, Klaas. 


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: JessStar on August 02, 2010, 04:55:10 PM
BREAKING NEWS:

Desiree, Kaine and Tony to testify for a Multnomah County grand jury beginning 1 p.m

http://www.katu.com/

do you think they are preparing for an arrest?

The Grand Jury would have to return an indictment first.  If these three witnesses are being called to testify, it says to me that the Grand Jury is still taking evidence.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: Lucky7 on August 02, 2010, 04:56:05 PM
BREAKING NEWS:

Desiree, Kaine and Tony to testify for a Multnomah County grand jury beginning 1 p.m

http://www.katu.com/

do you think they are preparing for an arrest?

Would one think since KH,DY and TY were called to Grand Jury it isn't just for the MFH Plot?

thats possible, but since they were ALL called and dede was before them i dont know.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: mediamama on August 02, 2010, 04:56:31 PM
BREAKING NEWS:

Desiree, Kaine and Tony to testify for a Multnomah County grand jury beginning 1 p.m

http://www.katu.com/

do you think they are preparing for an arrest?

Would one think since KH,DY and TY were called to Grand Jury it isn't just for the MFH Plot?

Exactly what I was thinking. The only one who might have evidence to offer GJ regarding MFH would be Kaine, and even that's highly unlikely given what we've read...

It's got to be Kyron. Gosh, I hope this is it!


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: no rose colored glasses on August 02, 2010, 04:56:36 PM
Always appreciate your info JessStar  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: nicubird on August 02, 2010, 04:57:10 PM
I believe whoever dede was surronded with around and soon after kyron goes missing needs to be questioned as a little boy is missing & scared.
look at this web page from JJ speaking about portland (they go on Jun 8th)
 
http://www.enlocale.com/wp002/2010/05/30/once-pdx-june-12th-2010-portland-or/
 
Very important ...Three of us, myself and two myrmidons, are traveling economically to Portland Oregon to spend two days going to farms 
 
one of those myrmidons is pea whom talks to dede.

all im saying is they should be questioned at the very least.

I have scoured the tweets and associated blogs of enlocale and pea. They are both chef/foodistas from the east coast who came to Portland to prepare a "farm dinner" for 40. It is clear that Rosemont farms happens to be one of the purveyors and DeDe was one of the many workers utilized to produce and serve this dinner. I believe it to be coincidental to Kyron's disappearance. It is my opinion that neither of these east coast chefs is involved. I'm not saying that the posts should be ignored by LE; however, I doubt the posts are integral to the investigation. Here are the links on the blogs associated with the farm dinner. The blogs will give you a better feel for the tweets.

http://pastrypea.blogspot.com/2010/06/pdx.html
http://www.enlocale.com/wp002/2010/05/30/once-pdx-june-12th-2010-portland-or/


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: Brandi on August 02, 2010, 04:57:35 PM
http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=6736428n&tag=related;photovideo

The Key to Finding Kyron Horman
 

Former captain with the Multnomah county sheriff's office Bruce Mccain spoke with Erica Hill on the latest in the search for Kyron Horman and the probe on his step mother and those who know her.

Video 8/2  states dede said she didnt have her phone with her on Jun 4th (however I remember seeing somewhere she called terri for 3 min during the 90 min timeframe) (her atty also said she never left the home she was working at) <in another video ~how strange is all that.


 

I could swear I read somewhere that she left after receiving a phone call. Besides that, what if: Terri picked DeDe up (maybe DeDe hat to walk a block to meet her), so DeDe's car was still at the location she worked. Then Terri drives to gym and DeDe takes the wheel. DeDe does what she has to do to help Terri, returns to pick up Terri, and gets dropped back at work, while Terri goes home. Purely hypothetical of course.


Maybe this is what you are thinking about?

Quote
Detectives learned that Spicher, who shares Terri Horman's passion for fitness and gardening, was doing gardening work for a Northwest Portland homeowner on June 4. She abruptly left the house about 11:30 a.m. and didn't return until an hour to 90 minutes later.

Another person working at the home called Spicher to come in for lunch, and the homeowner called Spicher on her cell phone but she wasn't reachable. Detectives have questioned both the homeowner and the other person who was working at the home that day.
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/07/investigators_put_pressure_on.html


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: cw618 on August 02, 2010, 04:57:51 PM
Thanks for the gj info JessStar

jes TY
 i have a Q jess, if the GJ do not find enough evidence to go to trial, at this time
can a new GJ be convened an hear old and new evidence later,is there a time limt
on any case for the GJ, like how many times can they go to the GJ with the same case


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: Lucky7 on August 02, 2010, 04:58:05 PM
BREAKING NEWS:

Desiree, Kaine and Tony to testify for a Multnomah County grand jury beginning 1 p.m

http://www.katu.com/

do you think they are preparing for an arrest?

The Grand Jury would have to return an indictment first.  If these three witnesses are being called to testify, it says to me that the Grand Jury is still taking evidence.
isnt this GJ a little different than normal GJ? it is an investigative GJ whats the difference ? can you clarify?


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: Brandi on August 02, 2010, 04:58:11 PM
BREAKING NEWS:

Desiree, Kaine and Tony to testify for a Multnomah County grand jury beginning 1 p.m

http://www.katu.com/

do you think they are preparing for an arrest?

Would one think since KH,DY and TY were called to Grand Jury it isn't just for the MFH Plot?

That is my guess.



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: mediamama on August 02, 2010, 04:59:07 PM
BREAKING NEWS:

Desiree, Kaine and Tony to testify for a Multnomah County grand jury beginning 1 p.m

http://www.katu.com/

do you think they are preparing for an arrest?

The Grand Jury would have to return an indictment first.  If these three witnesses are being called to testify, it says to me that the Grand Jury is still taking evidence.

Jess, forgive me if you've already addressed this, but how long in duration will a Grand Jury usually sit? I'm sure it varies by jurisdiction, but is there a "ballpark" amount of time we can expect evidence to be heard/collected/etc?


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: d in texas on August 02, 2010, 05:01:13 PM
Re: MY COUSIN HAS JUST BEEN IMPLICATED IN THE KYRON HORMAN CASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Quote

Round trip to the refuge and back to school would have taken 45 min. Approx. The route back would take her right past the school on the route you showed. If a site were prepaird in advance, and one were to wear overalls and slip over boots, you could easily leave the school get to the vicinity I was in 25 min. Spend twenty or so there, and get back in another 25 min. Would that fit the time line?
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1141412/pg101 (http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1141412/pg101)


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: Wyks on August 02, 2010, 05:01:29 PM

Hi Lucky7, and welcome!   ::HelloKitty::



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: Lucky7 on August 02, 2010, 05:02:40 PM

Hi Lucky7, and welcome!   ::HelloKitty::



HI Wyks Thank You!  ::HelloKitty::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: Lucky7 on August 02, 2010, 05:08:38 PM
I believe whoever dede was surronded with around and soon after kyron goes missing needs to be questioned as a little boy is missing & scared.
look at this web page from JJ speaking about portland (they go on Jun 8th)
 
http://www.enlocale.com/wp002/2010/05/30/once-pdx-june-12th-2010-portland-or/
 
Very important ...Three of us, myself and two myrmidons, are traveling economically to Portland Oregon to spend two days going to farms 
 
one of those myrmidons is pea whom talks to dede.

all im saying is they should be questioned at the very least.

I have scoured the tweets and associated blogs of enlocale and pea. They are both chef/foodistas from the east coast who came to Portland to prepare a "farm dinner" for 40. It is clear that Rosemont farms happens to be one of the purveyors and DeDe was one of the many workers utilized to produce and serve this dinner. I believe it to be coincidental to Kyron's disappearance. It is my opinion that neither of these east coast chefs is involved. I'm not saying that the posts should be ignored by LE; however, I doubt the posts are integral to the investigation. Here are the links on the blogs associated with the farm dinner. The blogs will give you a better feel for the tweets.

http://pastrypea.blogspot.com/2010/06/pdx.html
http://www.enlocale.com/wp002/2010/05/30/once-pdx-june-12th-2010-portland-or/
I had another post that pointed out the fact that dede may have known jj and pea beforehand they just didnt pop out of the blue/pea was a marathon runner as well. not saying they are involved or connected.but i think it is very important for LE to check it out. why would dede be so worried about pea getting a good night sleep?she didnt seem so close to others saying this type of thing in her tweets.if it was just a coincidense then why talk to pea after the fact if they never met and say that?


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: Wyks on August 02, 2010, 05:09:19 PM

For the record, in case a poll is still being taken..  ::dogwag::

I am not a friend or supporter of Terri, have not been in touch with her in any way, nor do I intend to. 

 



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Lucky7 on August 02, 2010, 05:11:37 PM
I also wanted to add in that other post of mine that why would dede be off cooking with these people when Kyron is missing? if your such a Great Friend why not help find him? just does not make since to me. If my friends little one was missing I wouldnt be so happy off cooking with people I dont know.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: d in texas on August 02, 2010, 05:13:06 PM
BREAKING NEWS:

Desiree, Kaine and Tony to testify for a Multnomah County grand jury beginning 1 p.m

http://www.katu.com/

do you think they are preparing for an arrest?

Would one think since KH,DY and TY were called to Grand Jury it isn't just for the MFH Plot?

Exactly what I was thinking. The only one who might have evidence to offer GJ regarding MFH would be Kaine, and even that's highly unlikely given what we've read...

It's got to be Kyron. Gosh, I hope this is it!
Yes and No = I am very worried about what LE actually knows and has not shared, maybe not even with DY TY and KH, I so don't want Kyron to be gone.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: Blonde on August 02, 2010, 05:16:18 PM
http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=6736428n&tag=related;photovideo

The Key to Finding Kyron Horman
 

Former captain with the Multnomah county sheriff's office Bruce Mccain spoke with Erica Hill on the latest in the search for Kyron Horman and the probe on his step mother and those who know her.

Video 8/2  states dede said she didnt have her phone with her on Jun 4th (however I remember seeing somewhere she called terri for 3 min during the 90 min timeframe) (her atty also said she never left the home she was working at) <in another video ~how strange is all that.


 

I could swear I read somewhere that she left after receiving a phone call. Besides that, what if: Terri picked DeDe up (maybe DeDe hat to walk a block to meet her), so DeDe's car was still at the location she worked. Then Terri drives to gym and DeDe takes the wheel. DeDe does what she has to do to help Terri, returns to pick up Terri, and gets dropped back at work, while Terri goes home. Purely hypothetical of course.

PORTLAND, Ore. — DeDe Spicher, identified as a close friend of Terri Horman, was doing gardening work not far from the family’s home in Northwest Portland on the day Kyron Horman disappeared, KGW has learned from a reliable source. Spicher reportedly left where she was working at 11:15 a.m. on June 4 and returned around 1 p.m.

The person who owns the house, who is cooperating with investigators, told them she called Spicher on her cell phone but she didn’t answer, the source told KGW. A person who was working with Spicher, who is also cooperating with investigators, told them of trying to unsuccessfully find Spicher. Both people have told investigators they have no idea where Spicher was during that period.

Family pleads with Spicher to cooperate

Thursday evening, the parents of Kyron Horman issued a public plea to DeDe Spicher, naming her in a written statement that says police have informed them Spicher has been in “close communication” with Terri Moulton-Horman since Kyron went missing, and that Spicher has been ”providing Terri with support and advice that is not in the best interests of our son.”

http://www.kgw.com/news/kyron-horman/DeDe-Spicher-99077874.html?utm_medium=TerriMoultonHorman.com

http://www.radionewz.net/


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: Wyks on August 02, 2010, 05:18:44 PM

NoRose and Monkeys, Hi!

Did you read he (cuz) suggests for property owners to scour areas?

quote by Cuz..

Re: MY COUSIN HAS JUST BEEN IMPLICATED IN THE KYRON HORMAN CASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Quote


http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1141412/pg98

The people who own property in the talked about areas here should scour their property. If your reading and know anyone in the area ask them to.


Does Tom know something?  Curious.  ::MonkeyEek::

My take on that is simply for folks to each check out their own property.  LE couldn't possibly get to every single home in the Portland area, let alone search ALL that property.  When our young friend went missing several years ago, he was finally found on private property in a shallow grave, which could have easily been seen by the property owner, had they looked in that area.  Am thinking that's all Tom is asking, for property owners to be the extended eyes for LE.  If each owner/tenant in those areas would walk the length of their own properties, Kyron might be found, if there. 


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: Blonde on August 02, 2010, 05:19:24 PM
BREAKING NEWS:

Desiree, Kaine and Tony to testify for a Multnomah County grand jury beginning 1 p.m

http://www.katu.com/

do you think they are preparing for an arrest?

Would one think since KH,DY and TY were called to Grand Jury it isn't just for the MFH Plot?

Exactly what I was thinking. The only one who might have evidence to offer GJ regarding MFH would be Kaine, and even that's highly unlikely given what we've read...

It's got to be Kyron. Gosh, I hope this is it!

Or  one of the Landscapers


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: marycat on August 02, 2010, 05:21:44 PM
I believe whoever dede was surronded with around and soon after kyron goes missing needs to be questioned as a little boy is missing & scared.
look at this web page from JJ speaking about portland (they go on Jun 8th)
 
http://www.enlocale.com/wp002/2010/05/30/once-pdx-june-12th-2010-portland-or/
 
Very important ...Three of us, myself and two myrmidons, are traveling economically to Portland Oregon to spend two days going to farms 
 
one of those myrmidons is pea whom talks to dede.

all im saying is they should be questioned at the very least.

And a myrmidons are characters in World of Warcraft, right? So, a possible link to Terri?


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: Lucky7 on August 02, 2010, 05:23:10 PM
I believe whoever dede was surronded with around and soon after kyron goes missing needs to be questioned as a little boy is missing & scared.
look at this web page from JJ speaking about portland (they go on Jun 8th)
 
http://www.enlocale.com/wp002/2010/05/30/once-pdx-june-12th-2010-portland-or/
 
Very important ...Three of us, myself and two myrmidons, are traveling economically to Portland Oregon to spend two days going to farms 
 
one of those myrmidons is pea whom talks to dede.

all im saying is they should be questioned at the very least.

And a myrmidons are characters in World of Warcraft, right? So, a possible link to Terri?
I think myrmidons means something to do with jj's cooking chefs.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: d in texas on August 02, 2010, 05:27:40 PM
I believe whoever dede was surronded with around and soon after kyron goes missing needs to be questioned as a little boy is missing & scared.
look at this web page from JJ speaking about portland (they go on Jun 8th)
 
http://www.enlocale.com/wp002/2010/05/30/once-pdx-june-12th-2010-portland-or/
 
Very important ...Three of us, myself and two myrmidons, are traveling economically to Portland Oregon to spend two days going to farms 
 
one of those myrmidons is pea whom talks to dede.

all im saying is they should be questioned at the very least.

And a myrmidons are characters in World of Warcraft, right? So, a possible link to Terri?

Exactly, so gardners are traveling often to Portland area and just happen to myrmidons, they communicate only one time between one another, then never again?  Nothing leading up to the communication, like hey so glad to now we have a local in the area to show us around, NOTHING.  You have to look at it, JMO.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: Blonde on August 02, 2010, 05:29:42 PM
I believe whoever dede was surronded with around and soon after kyron goes missing needs to be questioned as a little boy is missing & scared.
look at this web page from JJ speaking about portland (they go on Jun 8th)
 
http://www.enlocale.com/wp002/2010/05/30/once-pdx-june-12th-2010-portland-or/
 
Very important ...Three of us, myself and two myrmidons, are traveling economically to Portland Oregon to spend two days going to farms 
 
one of those myrmidons is pea whom talks to dede.

all im saying is they should be questioned at the very least.

And a myrmidons are characters in World of Warcraft, right? So, a possible link to Terri?

Later use of the term

The Myrmidons of Greek myth were known for their loyalty to their leaders, so that in pre-industrial Europe the word "myrmidon" carried many of the same connotations that "robot" does today. Myrmidon later came to mean "hired ruffian" (according to the Oxford English Dictionary) or "a loyal follower, especially one who executes orders without question, protest, or pity, unquestioning followers."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myrmidons


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: seahorse on August 02, 2010, 05:30:56 PM
BREAKING NEWS:

Desiree, Kaine and Tony to testify for a Multnomah County grand jury beginning 1 p.m

http://www.katu.com/

do you think they are preparing for an arrest?

Would one think since KH,DY and TY were called to Grand Jury it isn't just for the MFH Plot?

Exactly what I was thinking. The only one who might have evidence to offer GJ regarding MFH would be Kaine, and even that's highly unlikely given what we've read...

It's got to be Kyron. Gosh, I hope this is it!

Or  one of the Landscapers

 :thumleft: The missing piece of the puzzle, may be the LS.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: nicubird on August 02, 2010, 05:32:42 PM
I believe whoever dede was surronded with around and soon after kyron goes missing needs to be questioned as a little boy is missing & scared.
look at this web page from JJ speaking about portland (they go on Jun 8th)
 
http://www.enlocale.com/wp002/2010/05/30/once-pdx-june-12th-2010-portland-or/
 
Very important ...Three of us, myself and two myrmidons, are traveling economically to Portland Oregon to spend two days going to farms 
 
one of those myrmidons is pea whom talks to dede.

all im saying is they should be questioned at the very least.

And a myrmidons are characters in World of Warcraft, right? So, a possible link to Terri?
I think myrmidons means something to do with jj's cooking chefs.

After reading both blogs, it seems obvious that pea and enlocale have been associated with each other in the food world of  Boston for quite sometime. This tweet indicates that DeDe came into association with them by recommendation of Rosemont Farms as a direct result of her involvement with Portland sustainable farming. DeDe was only in one marathon. I doubt that these 2 women were involved prior to the dinner. I take her overly familiar post to be that of an outsider to the food world, networking and trying to be in. MOO and YMMV

That said, I don't think any stone should be left unturned. Perhaps DeDe said or did something while with these women that could prove to be useful. In that regard, I agree with you Lucky 7.

@dedejustdede Thanks so much for your hard work tonight, and thanks to @Rosemont_Farm for both the pork and the referral to Dede! G'night!
11:30 PM Jun 11th via TweetDeck
 
We could use a couple of hands in the kitchen today and tomorrow, please, Portland OR
10:31 AM Jun 11th via TweetDeck


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: Scatty on August 02, 2010, 05:33:38 PM
http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=6736428n&tag=related;photovideo

The Key to Finding Kyron Horman
 

Former captain with the Multnomah county sheriff's office Bruce Mccain spoke with Erica Hill on the latest in the search for Kyron Horman and the probe on his step mother and those who know her.

Video 8/2  states dede said she didnt have her phone with her on Jun 4th (however I remember seeing somewhere she called terri for 3 min during the 90 min timeframe) (her atty also said she never left the home she was working at) <in another video ~how strange is all that.


 

I could swear I read somewhere that she left after receiving a phone call. Besides that, what if: Terri picked DeDe up (maybe DeDe hat to walk a block to meet her), so DeDe's car was still at the location she worked. Then Terri drives to gym and DeDe takes the wheel. DeDe does what she has to do to help Terri, returns to pick up Terri, and gets dropped back at work, while Terri goes home. Purely hypothetical of course.


Thanks for the responses about the phone call. Yeah, I was confused, must have been thinking abou the calls from the job that she didn't pick up when she disappeared. But I still think my speculation on what happened with DS and TH may be valid, unless the timeline (which I keep being too lazy to check back on) negates any possibility of it.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 02, 2010, 05:38:30 PM
BREAKING NEWS:

Desiree, Kaine and Tony to testify for a Multnomah County grand jury beginning 1 p.m

http://www.katu.com/

do you think they are preparing for an arrest?

I thought they were preparing for an arrest weeks ago so what do I know  ::MonkeyCool::

Five years of following the Natalee Holloway case has taught us patience ... taught us not to get too excited while awaiting justice.

Klaas ... can you just imagine if we were all still holding our breath anticipating developments ... anticipating the fireworks ... anticipating the light at the end of the tunnel ...

 ::MonkeyWink::

Janet

+++++


Karin Janssen

Holloway wary of ‘fireworks' from Aruba
By Stewart Smith / staff writer
Wednesday, January 25, 2006 11:34 PM CST


The case's prosecutor has reported that there could be “some fireworks” at the end of the month, Holloway said, but the official did not indicate why.

http://www.meridianstar.com/articles/2006/01/26/local_news/news_stories/a1-holloawy.txt


Gerold Dompig

Three Probed in Missing Teen Case
Saturday, June 04, 2005


"We are working diligently," Dompig said. "I want everybody to hold their breaths for the next 24 hours. There will be developments after this weekend."

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,158598,00.html


Jan Vander Straaten

Two Arrested in Disappearance
Sunday, June 05, 2005


"We hope she's alive," police commissioner Jan van der Straaten said. "Everyday I see the light at the end of the tunnel."

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,158622,00.html



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: Wyks on August 02, 2010, 05:39:03 PM
Thanks for the post by DeDe's cousin  ::MonkeyEek::  I think that I got the gist of it, but the rest is like talking in riddles.

I know what you mean. I don't quite know what he's getting at when he says "ask me again if I'm fine with dede's silence". Does he think she has good cause to be silent? Does he think she was just being silent to set a trap for Terri? Is Terri "the rat" or is it someone else he's referring to? I feel like "grasshopper" (KungFu reference) trying to make sense of the riddles of life.

Someone in here mentioned that reading from the beginning of that thread to current will help in understanding Tom, and I agree.   



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: Lucky7 on August 02, 2010, 05:41:27 PM
I believe whoever dede was surronded with around and soon after kyron goes missing needs to be questioned as a little boy is missing & scared.
look at this web page from JJ speaking about portland (they go on Jun 8th)
 
http://www.enlocale.com/wp002/2010/05/30/once-pdx-june-12th-2010-portland-or/
 
Very important ...Three of us, myself and two myrmidons, are traveling economically to Portland Oregon to spend two days going to farms 
 
one of those myrmidons is pea whom talks to dede.

all im saying is they should be questioned at the very least.

And a myrmidons are characters in World of Warcraft, right? So, a possible link to Terri?
I think myrmidons means something to do with jj's cooking chefs.

After reading both blogs, it seems obvious that pea and enlocale have been associated with each other in the food world of  Boston for quite sometime. This tweet indicates that DeDe came into association with them by recommendation of Rosemont Farms as a direct result of her involvement with Portland sustainable farming. DeDe was only in one marathon. I doubt that these 2 women were involved prior to the dinner. I take her overly familiar post to be that of an outsider to the food world, networking and trying to be in. MOO and YMMV

That said, I don't think any stone should be left unturned. Perhaps DeDe said or did something while with these women that could prove to be useful. In that regard, I agree with you Lucky 7.

@dedejustdede Thanks so much for your hard work tonight, and thanks to @Rosemont_Farm for both the pork and the referral to Dede! G'night!
11:30 PM Jun 11th via TweetDeck
 
We could use a couple of hands in the kitchen today and tomorrow, please, Portland OR
10:31 AM Jun 11th via TweetDeck

Thanks so much for youre insught and info.
look  at these tweets
@dedejustdede thank you. that's almost unbearably sweet of you.
2:34 PM Jun 22nd via Echofon in reply to dedejustdede
 
Reply Retweet .   waiting at terminal e for precious cargo to arrive.
1:57 PM Jun 22nd via Echofon


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: nicubird on August 02, 2010, 05:42:13 PM
I believe whoever dede was surronded with around and soon after kyron goes missing needs to be questioned as a little boy is missing & scared.
look at this web page from JJ speaking about portland (they go on Jun 8th)
 
http://www.enlocale.com/wp002/2010/05/30/once-pdx-june-12th-2010-portland-or/
 
Very important ...Three of us, myself and two myrmidons, are traveling economically to Portland Oregon to spend two days going to farms 
 
one of those myrmidons is pea whom talks to dede.

all im saying is they should be questioned at the very least.

And a myrmidons are characters in World of Warcraft, right? So, a possible link to Terri?

Exactly, so gardners are traveling often to Portland area and just happen to myrmidons, they communicate only one time between one another, then never again?  Nothing leading up to the communication, like hey so glad to now we have a local in the area to show us around, NOTHING.  You have to look at it, JMO.

Of course everything needs to be covered; however, traveling around to different cities and recruiting workers for these local dinners is exactly what enlocale does (http://www.enlocale.com/wp002/one-night-culinary-events/). Sometimes a tweet is just a tweet. Do I think DeDe has told everything she knows? No. Do I think Boston chefs or the sustainable farming community is involved? No.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: Wyks on August 02, 2010, 05:42:27 PM

Not me.

I don't even know anyone in Oregon. Nor knowingly communicate with anyone in Oregon. Unless a monkey in Oregon is in this thread.

 ::MonkeyTongue::

I was born in Portland.. does that count?   ::dogwag::

lol.. and we do have some Oregon monkeys in here.  Not that any of em personally know Terri, that I'm aware of. 

 



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: Lucky7 on August 02, 2010, 05:50:49 PM
I believe whoever dede was surronded with around and soon after kyron goes missing needs to be questioned as a little boy is missing & scared.
look at this web page from JJ speaking about portland (they go on Jun 8th)
 
http://www.enlocale.com/wp002/2010/05/30/once-pdx-june-12th-2010-portland-or/
 
Very important ...Three of us, myself and two myrmidons, are traveling economically to Portland Oregon to spend two days going to farms 
 
one of those myrmidons is pea whom talks to dede.

all im saying is they should be questioned at the very least.

And a myrmidons are characters in World of Warcraft, right? So, a possible link to Terri?
I think myrmidons means something to do with jj's cooking chefs.

After reading both blogs, it seems obvious that pea and enlocale have been associated with each other in the food world of  Boston for quite sometime. This tweet indicates that DeDe came into association with them by recommendation of Rosemont Farms as a direct result of her involvement with Portland sustainable farming. DeDe was only in one marathon. I doubt that these 2 women were involved prior to the dinner. I take her overly familiar post to be that of an outsider to the food world, networking and trying to be in. MOO and YMMV

That said, I don't think any stone should be left unturned. Perhaps DeDe said or did something while with these women that could prove to be useful. In that regard, I agree with you Lucky 7.

@dedejustdede Thanks so much for your hard work tonight, and thanks to @Rosemont_Farm for both the pork and the referral to Dede! G'night!
11:30 PM Jun 11th via TweetDeck
 
We could use a couple of hands in the kitchen today and tomorrow, please, Portland OR
10:31 AM Jun 11th via TweetDeck

maybe the tweets are nothing. thanks for the insight. I think it is odd pea has a cell phone and she post about a broken payphone<may be nothing. I just find it odd and odd that dede is off cooking for 3 days while kyron is missing recently.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Lucky7 on August 02, 2010, 05:54:29 PM
activity on jj s facebook
(Robin Lives in Portland I dont know if DeDes tweet re red robin has anything to do with who this person is)
 

JJ Gonson Go!
June 8 at 1:24pm · View Feedback (11)Hide Feedback (11)


3 people like this.

 
Robin Mullins come here!!! YEAH   


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Blonde on August 02, 2010, 06:04:33 PM
Did anyone else get locked out of the cage?


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: marycat on August 02, 2010, 06:04:53 PM
I believe whoever dede was surronded with around and soon after kyron goes missing needs to be questioned as a little boy is missing & scared.
look at this web page from JJ speaking about portland (they go on Jun 8th)
 
http://www.enlocale.com/wp002/2010/05/30/once-pdx-june-12th-2010-portland-or/
 
Very important ...Three of us, myself and two myrmidons, are traveling economically to Portland Oregon to spend two days going to farms 
 
one of those myrmidons is pea whom talks to dede.

all im saying is they should be questioned at the very least.

And a myrmidons are characters in World of Warcraft, right? So, a possible link to Terri?

Exactly, so gardners are traveling often to Portland area and just happen to myrmidons, they communicate only one time between one another, then never again?  Nothing leading up to the communication, like hey so glad to now we have a local in the area to show us around, NOTHING.  You have to look at it, JMO.


I don't do WOW, but perhaps that is where DeDe and Pea had other conversations? You can converse with each other one on one there can't you? The person who posted the tweets between said that they had not tweeted before or after those particular exchanges and I thought that odd. But, if they met through WOW then maybe it isn't odd. I don't know. Seems farfetched. But, it bears a look into in any case. I just keep thinking that Kaine said no matter how insignificant that it could be a part of the puzzle and lead to finding Kyron.
MOO


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: Scandi on August 02, 2010, 06:06:38 PM

Not me.

I don't even know anyone in Oregon. Nor knowingly communicate with anyone in Oregon. Unless a monkey in Oregon is in this thread.

 ::MonkeyTongue::

I was born in Portland.. does that count?   ::dogwag::

lol.. and we do have some Oregon monkeys in here.  Not that any of em personally know Terri, that I'm aware of. 

 


I don't know her or any of the parties either.  ;}


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Scandi on August 02, 2010, 06:07:22 PM
Did anyone else get locked out of the cage?

Yeppers ~  ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: klaasend on August 02, 2010, 06:08:10 PM
Did anyone else get locked out of the cage?

Our Tech guy was going to be doing some work right about this time today but he said it probably wouldn't affect the forum, only the .com blogs. 

Looks like we are up now anyway.  Sure has been nice on the new server!


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: klaasend on August 02, 2010, 06:10:37 PM
I've been to Medford, Eugene and Portland Oregon.  Oregon is a beautiful state thanks to all the rain it gets.  Everyone I met in Oregon was very friendly. 


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 02, 2010, 06:16:04 PM
Did anyone else get locked out of the cage?

Our Tech guy was going to be doing some work right about this time today but he said it probably wouldn't affect the forum, only the .com blogs. 

Looks like we are up now anyway.  Sure has been nice on the new server!

 ::rhino::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Brandi on August 02, 2010, 06:20:42 PM
Did anyone else get locked out of the cage?

Our Tech guy was going to be doing some work right about this time today but he said it probably wouldn't affect the forum, only the .com blogs. 

Looks like we are up now anyway.  Sure has been nice on the new server!

It really has been great, with the server upgrade. I wanted to thank you, but was not sure how to do so without being too far O/T.

But thank you! It's made a world of difference.

 ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: klaasend on August 02, 2010, 06:20:50 PM
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/08/multnomah_county_shericomb_thr.html

Multnomah County Sheriff's Office combs through 3,500 tips in Kyron Horman case
Published: Monday, August 02, 2010, 2:52 PM     Updated: Monday, August 02, 2010, 3:00 PM
Lynne Terry, The Oregonian Lynne Terry, The Oregonian

Tips are flooding investigators as the search for 7-year-old Kyron Horman enters its ninth week.

Multnomah County Sheriff's Office said that the doubling of the reward to $50,000 has spurred a flurry of calls, with investigators combing through more than 3,500 tips so far. In fact, they receive five to 10 tips every hour. Many are quickly eliminated but others are followed up on, the sheriff's office said in a news release.


Aside from that, the sheriff's office is staying mute about the investigation – just as it has from the beginning.
 ::monkeyscissors::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: klaasend on August 02, 2010, 06:22:50 PM
http://www.kptv.com/news/24481541/detail.html

$50K Reward Brings In New Tips In Kyron Horman Case

POSTED: 2:22 pm PDT August 2, 2010
UPDATED: 2:35 pm PDT August 2, 2010

PORTLAND, Ore. -- Multnomah County sheriff's deputies said they're receiving five to 10 tips every hour after raising the reward amount to $50,000 in the disappearance of 7-year-old Kyron Horman.

Kyron vanished from Skyline School in northwest Portland 60 days ago after a morning science fair. His stepmother, Terri Horman, was the last person known to have seen him, deputies said.

Deputies said Monday they're working closely with the district attorney's office and the family to "bring Kyron home." But they released no new information about their investigation.

In a written statement, a sheriff's spokeswoman said the case requires the police agencies "to conduct portions of the investigations in a manner that cannot be released to the public."

Terri Horman's friend, DeDe Spicher, appeared before a grand jury last week. Kyron's birth parents have accused Spicher and Terri Horman of refusing to cooperate with the investigation.

In court documents last month, Kaine Horman asked for a divorce and a restraining order against Terri Horman because he said investigators told him that his wife tried to hire someone to kill him in the months before Kyron disappeared.

Kaine Horman and Kyron's birth mother, Desiree Young, have repeatedly said that Terri Horman is involved in their son's disappearance. She has not been charged with a crime.

Anyone with information that may be helpful in the Kyron Horman investigation is asked to call 503-261-2847.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on August 02, 2010, 06:26:20 PM
I will gladly admit if I'm wrong, but just don't think these tweets mean anything.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Brandi on August 02, 2010, 06:32:13 PM
I will gladly admit if I'm wrong, but just don't think these tweets mean anything.

Same here.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Claycat on August 02, 2010, 06:33:38 PM
You'd think people would turn in tips whether there was a reward or not.  I don't know if I could even accept a reward if I had information about a missing child.  I would be so glad to do anything I could to help.

Because of the money, there may be a lot more false sightings of Kyron!  :(


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: theboyzmom on August 02, 2010, 06:33:55 PM



Quote from: sassifrass on July 29, 2010, 01:21:55 PM (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8311.msg1194871#msg1194871)
Quote
The monkeys made it on the TH support page.   

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Terri-Horman-Support-Page/131975590176118#!/topic.php?uid=131975590176118&topic=162

Terri Horman Support Page Mary~ I also want to point out online at Scared Monkeys is some of Terri's friends if you look into it most of Terri's friends are Christians and go to church. <snipped>

When I first saw this post a few days ago, I just shrugged it off.  Now, however,  I've had some second thoughts.

So...  I'm just going to ask, both out of curiousity and in the interests of full disclosure.

Are any of the posters here friends with Terri, either in real life or online?  Anybody posting here been in communication with Terri either presently or in the past?



LOL - nope - if she was my "friend" she would have talked by now . .  ::CowboySmiley::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on August 02, 2010, 06:37:25 PM
IMO they can look through the 3500 tips and all else, Terri holds the key, and they know it.........just like Misty holds the key in Haleigh's case.  ::MonkeyNoNo:: disgrace to society and humanity and any one with a brain in their head ::MonkeyNoNo:: pathetic


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Tracygirl on August 02, 2010, 06:37:57 PM
Can I ask a question, why are we doing a roll call on if someone knows or is in contact with a person involved in this case? I am not following the reason.

As I said, I would love to speak to any of the main players in this case, even Terri. Can you imagine? I would love to hear her side of the story. Me and about a million other people


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on August 02, 2010, 06:39:16 PM
Can I ask a question, why are we doing a roll call on if someone knows or is in contact with a person involved in this case? I am not following the reason.

As I said, I would love to speak to any of the main players in this case, even Terri. Can you imagine? I would love to hear her side of the story. Me and about a million other people
I have no idea at all.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Wyks on August 02, 2010, 06:40:14 PM

I will admit that because of my personal knowledge of that area, having lived there for the first five years of my life, I do have a certain and strong bias against certain secret 'organizations' that still do exist in Portland. 

Having admitted that..... do I see a Satanist behind every tree, ready to pounce on any vulnerable child/woman that walks by?  Of course not.   Do I suspect every single male, 13 years and up, of being involved?  Nope.  Do I believe that every single husband/wife, no matter who/what, are creepy, unfaithful, abusive, and involved in something nefarious?  No, of course not.  Do I expect that every single mother/father in that area is abusive, just cuz some have been?  Nope.  My fav aunt/uncle (adoptive) live in Oregon and are lovely and kind folks.  I've known other folks (male and female) who live in Oregon/Washington who are awesome, nothing suspicious about them either. 

It's when I'm looking at a certain person, male or female, no matter who they are, where they live, or what their circumstances are... and there just is something 'odd' about them, something that causes my 'hinky meter' to go off, I either want to learn more about em, or runnnnnnnn the other way.  Sometimes I do run and look at em from afar.  lol  When we're used to something in life, we can sometimes (not always) recognize that in someone else.  Does not necessarily mean that everyone 'projects' what we know and have experienced onto others, just means that sometimes, some of us are able to recognize this stuff in others, and often it's just a gut feeling that cannot be explained. 

I'm just saying all this to say... I work dang hard at remaining objective in this case, and often am exhausted at the end of the day, for doing so.  I don't know WHY I am admitting all this to my fellow monkeys.  Cuz I do realize that there are some who might just grab all this and use it as even more ammunition.  I guess all I can say to those who would do such a thing is... remember that there is such a thing as karma.  And leave it at that.   I have been, and will continue to be, respectful of those whose opinions are different from mine.  We have been able to discuss cases in this forum, even while not agreeing, and treated each other in true monkey fashion, respectfully, kindly.  Or just agree to sit on different branches in a case, realizing that we may agree with each other in another case, and remain in friendly form.  This is what I want our new monkeys to understand, we've been able to do before, it honestly is what most of us work toward doing in these cases.  And am hoping that as a majority, we can continue to do now. 

 ::MonkeyKiss::
 


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: klaasend on August 02, 2010, 06:44:21 PM
I will gladly admit if I'm wrong, but just don't think these tweets mean anything.

Same here.

Ditto


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Claycat on August 02, 2010, 06:44:49 PM
Can I ask a question, why are we doing a roll call on if someone knows or is in contact with a person involved in this case? I am not following the reason.

As I said, I would love to speak to any of the main players in this case, even Terri. Can you imagine? I would love to hear her side of the story. Me and about a million other people
I have no idea at all.

Sassifrass posted a quote that someone at Terri's support site had said there were friends and supporters of Terri at Scared Monkeys, so Lifesong asked us if any of us were.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: cw618 on August 02, 2010, 06:45:04 PM
You'd think people would turn in tips whether there was a reward or not.  I don't know if I could even accept a reward if I had information about a missing child.  I would be so glad to do anything I could to help.

Because of the money, there may be a lot more false sightings of Kyron!  :(

my 2nd cuz boy is a yr older than kyron, but looks a lot like him
at the moment they are at myrtle beach, at the time share, i emailed
her to cut his hair LOL


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Lucky7 on August 02, 2010, 06:45:57 PM
I will gladly admit if I'm wrong, but just don't think these tweets mean anything.

thanks. I wasnt sure if they did. I was just going down that avenue to check it out in case they do mean anything. If terri planned this the way Kaine said (and he said cops provided him info that says terri did so) & then dede is a friend so close she moves in with her. just think it needed to be looked at well. so I appreciate all the feedback on it.  :)


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Blonde on August 02, 2010, 06:47:59 PM
I will gladly admit if I'm wrong, but just don't think these tweets mean anything.

Same here.
Same here..


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Tracygirl on August 02, 2010, 06:50:42 PM
Can I ask a question, why are we doing a roll call on if someone knows or is in contact with a person involved in this case? I am not following the reason.

As I said, I would love to speak to any of the main players in this case, even Terri. Can you imagine? I would love to hear her side of the story. Me and about a million other people
I have no idea at all.

Sassifrass posted a quote that someone at Terri's support site had said there were friends and supporters of Terri at Scared Monkeys, so Lifesong asked us if any of us were.

Ohhhh so maybe someone is undercover there. When Gabriels case was happening there was a few monkeys pretending to be friends to Tammi Smith, myself included. I am not doing that in this case but it really does not mean much if someone is.
Plus if there is a fellow Monkey who is supporting Terri, I think that is their business and their own opinion. I just don't want anyone to feel intimidated by the question as we are all free to believe what we wish.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: d in texas on August 02, 2010, 06:52:29 PM
I've been to Medford, Eugene and Portland Oregon.  Oregon is a beautiful state thanks to all the rain it gets.  Everyone I met in Oregon was very friendly. 
I agree Oregon and Washington both are so very pretty, wouldn't mind living there I wouldn't think, rain might get to me after awhile.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Tracygirl on August 02, 2010, 06:53:24 PM
I will gladly admit if I'm wrong, but just don't think these tweets mean anything.

thanks. I wasnt sure if they did. I was just going down that avenue to check it out in case they do mean anything. If terri planned this the way Kaine said (and he said cops provided him info that says terri did so) & then dede is a friend so close she moves in with her. just think it needed to be looked at well. so I appreciate all the feedback on it.  :)

I am not sure but I think it is something which should be looked into because we don't really know foresure. Could be they use this method because it is public. Criminals speaking in code has happened before, so if it has happened before, it could happen again. So, my opinion is who knows, could be, might not be but better to err on the side of caution.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: d in texas on August 02, 2010, 06:54:06 PM
Can I ask a question, why are we doing a roll call on if someone knows or is in contact with a person involved in this case? I am not following the reason.

As I said, I would love to speak to any of the main players in this case, even Terri. Can you imagine? I would love to hear her side of the story. Me and about a million other people
I don't undestand? the first question.

But YES would love for someone anyone to say something.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Tracygirl on August 02, 2010, 06:56:40 PM
Aww Wykes, you are my monkey buddy... :smt056
Sometimes I wish I can just go through the screen and give you a (((((((((Hug))))))))))


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: Scandi on August 02, 2010, 07:03:49 PM



Quote from: sassifrass on July 29, 2010, 01:21:55 PM (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8311.msg1194871#msg1194871)
Quote
The monkeys made it on the TH support page.   

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Terri-Horman-Support-Page/131975590176118#!/topic.php?uid=131975590176118&topic=162

Terri Horman Support Page Mary~ I also want to point out online at Scared Monkeys is some of Terri's friends if you look into it most of Terri's friends are Christians and go to church. <snipped>

When I first saw this post a few days ago, I just shrugged it off.  Now, however,  I've had some second thoughts.

So...  I'm just going to ask, both out of curiousity and in the interests of full disclosure.

Are any of the posters here friends with Terri, either in real life or online?  Anybody posting here been in communication with Terri either presently or in the past?



LOL - nope - if she was my "friend" she would have talked by now . .  ::CowboySmiley::

What a perfect post as I am sure we all feel the same way, especially with your rootin' tootin' cowboy.    ::MonkeyHaHa::   Gotta luv him  xox


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: mchenry on August 02, 2010, 07:04:25 PM



Quote from: sassifrass on July 29, 2010, 01:21:55 PM (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8311.msg1194871#msg1194871)
Quote
The monkeys made it on the TH support page.   

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Terri-Horman-Support-Page/131975590176118#!/topic.php?uid=131975590176118&topic=162

Terri Horman Support Page Mary~ I also want to point out online at Scared Monkeys is some of Terri's friends if you look into it most of Terri's friends are Christians and go to church. <snipped>

When I first saw this post a few days ago, I just shrugged it off.  Now, however,  I've had some second thoughts.

So...  I'm just going to ask, both out of curiousity and in the interests of full disclosure.

Are any of the posters here friends with Terri, either in real life or online?  Anybody posting here been in communication with Terri either presently or in the past?


Not me! I live in Iowa. Don't know her and don't want to! She ain't no friend of mine! I do love Kyron even though I have never met him. God PLEASE BRING THIS LITTLE GUY HOME!!!! ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Lifesong on August 02, 2010, 07:07:20 PM
Can I ask a question, why are we doing a roll call on if someone knows or is in contact with a person involved in this case? I am not following the reason.

As I said, I would love to speak to any of the main players in this case, even Terri. Can you imagine? I would love to hear her side of the story. Me and about a million other people

I don't know about a "roll call".  As NRCG explained, I asked a question back on the first page of the thread, based upon another monkey's post from a few days ago. 

I wasn't asking for everyone or anyone to deny being a friend of Terri, I only hoped that if there were friends of Terri posting here...that they would say so. 

I think that would only be fair.

I will say that speaking from observations from the Natalee Holloway case over the years, internet posters that "go undercover" and involve themselves with suspects are at best not helpful, and typically unbalanced.

Just my opinion.   ::MonkeyWink::



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: d in texas on August 02, 2010, 07:08:20 PM
Aww Wykes, you are my monkey buddy... :smt056
Sometimes I wish I can just go through the screen and give you a (((((((((Hug))))))))))

 ::MonkeyJnBox::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: cw618 on August 02, 2010, 07:09:19 PM
for monkeys with more time, could be some info in there somewhere
http://courts.oregon.gov/Multnomah/General_Info/Calendars/Calendars.page?
http://www.ojd.state.or.us/multnomah/calendar


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Lucky7 on August 02, 2010, 07:21:18 PM
Has anyone seen this post?....

Snipped..

What do you mean Kyron just got off the phone?

Posted on Kaine Horman challenges those with information to come forward in Kyron Horman case on July 31, 2010, 8:44PM


this person seems to know the Horman family....
http://connect.oregonlive.com/user/lentsres/comments-2.html


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: Patricia Mocha Latte on August 02, 2010, 07:22:29 PM
Patricia Mocha Latte  I didn't take the question that was posted by Lifesong as an insult, maybe it was and I just didn't get it  ::MonkeyEek::  You, just like I have an open mind, I never have, nor will I see things in black and white, I see things in many shades, I hope you continue to share your thoughts.

It was not meant as an insult.  I'm not that kind of poster. 

Just an honest question.




I appologize fr snapping at you lifesong. That's not me nor what I am about. I don't know what got into me and there is no excuse. I will say that it has been tough following to very difficult cases. Both Haleigh Cummings and this one. Also, and this is a positive, but with the case of Jaycee Duggard OMG 18 years is a very long time and to think of all the suffering that poor girl/woman went through. I guess I am just overly snappy so backing off from the case feels like the right thing for me to do and it has nothing to do with your comments to me.
It was easy to blame you though and for that I appologize.

I'm going to keep reading along and will most likely post along with all of you the minute, no, the second that this case is solved.

Lurk Mode: On.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Patricia Mocha Latte on August 02, 2010, 07:26:40 PM
One quick additional comment.
I would fully admit if I knew these people.
I do not know any of them.
I have only been following this case along with the rest of the Monkeys.

~Peace


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Brandi on August 02, 2010, 07:28:29 PM
One quick additional comment.
I would fully admit if I knew these people.
I do not know any of them.
I have only been following this case along with the rest of the Monkeys.

~Peace

Hoping you hang in there with us, PML.

We need all of us here.

 ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: seemeatthebeach on August 02, 2010, 07:29:00 PM
http://www.koinlocal6.com/content/news/breakingnews/story/Kaine-Desiree-and-Tony-Young-called-before-grand/10QkYxWoqkyk5HGxkWOiMg.cspx
Kaine, Desiree and Tony Young called before grand jury
Last Update: 12:10 pm

Tony Young, Desiree Young and Kaine Horman appeared before a Multnomah County grand jury for the first time Monday, less than a week after Terri Horman’s friend, DeDe Spicher, briefly appeared.

The trio, who have been adamant about Terri’s involvement in the disappearance of 7-year-old Kyron Horman, were stoic and speechless before a throng of cameras outside the courthouse on Southwest 4th avenue.

It’s unclear what charges the grand jury is pondering, but the only thing all those people - Kaine, Desiree, Tony and DeDe - have in common is Terri Horman and Kyron Horman.

 

Well, I think this is good news!  I'd thought it was odd that they hadn't been called to testify. 

Thanks for posting it, Brandi.

I don't recall, has Terri been called by the grand jury yet?

IMO Terri will not be called to testify before GJ. What would be the point......she'll take the 5th.
She's protected........she doesn't have to answer anything self-incriminating.

My guess is the GJ is seated to decide if there's enough evidence to indict Terri and/or an accomplice.
JMO


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: d in texas on August 02, 2010, 07:38:06 PM
Glad I am not the only one to notice the TH support page taking down Kyron's picture replacing with step-mother.  National TV twice in one day.....hmm


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: New Monkey on August 02, 2010, 07:39:15 PM

And I say TOO BAD.  Finding Kyron outweighs their temporary discomfort in being "dragged" into the investigation  ::MonkeyNoNo::
Amen to that!


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: d in texas on August 02, 2010, 07:40:40 PM
One quick additional comment.
I would fully admit if I knew these people.
I do not know any of them.
I have only been following this case along with the rest of the Monkeys.

~Peace
I am sorry you are having a hard day, I do know how you feel after finding Caylee not alive I had to back off and just follow the cases at a distance.  I hope you feel better soon...... ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: Wyks on August 02, 2010, 07:42:18 PM

It would be unusual for the prosecution to subpoena the target of a grand jury investigation to testify before the grand jury.  First, the prosecution is under no obligation to present the defense's side.  Second, the prosecution is under no obligation to present "exculpatory" evidence.  The question is whether there is sufficient evidence to convict.  Since the state cannot compel a criminal defendant to testify at the merits trial, it would be most unusual for a prosecutor to subpoena the target because, assuming the target would not assert the 5th amendment privilege against self-incrimination, the target, if charged, would not likely testify at trial, therefore making the indictment suspect.


Thanks Jess!   ::dogwag::



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: New Monkey on August 02, 2010, 07:43:39 PM

There is a reason they have seached many times in and around Sauvie Island.
Why do you think that is, Klaas?  Eyewitness?  Pings?  Or both and more?


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: d in texas on August 02, 2010, 07:44:07 PM

It would be unusual for the prosecution to subpoena the target of a grand jury investigation to testify before the grand jury.  First, the prosecution is under no obligation to present the defense's side.  Second, the prosecution is under no obligation to present "exculpatory" evidence.  The question is whether there is sufficient evidence to convict.  Since the state cannot compel a criminal defendant to testify at the merits trial, it would be most unusual for a prosecutor to subpoena the target because, assuming the target would not assert the 5th amendment privilege against self-incrimination, the target, if charged, would not likely testify at trial, therefore making the indictment suspect.


Thanks Jess!   ::dogwag::


How long do we think the GJ will last?  DeDe went before them a week ago today the 26th.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: klaasend on August 02, 2010, 07:46:05 PM
Has anyone seen this post?....

Snipped..

What do you mean Kyron just got off the phone?

Posted on Kaine Horman challenges those with information to come forward in Kyron Horman case on July 31, 2010, 8:44PM


this person seems to know the Horman family....
http://connect.oregonlive.com/user/lentsres/comments-2.html

I'm trying to find the comment in context.  I'd say if this was 2 days ago it was nothing or we would have heard.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Claycat on August 02, 2010, 07:46:47 PM
One quick additional comment.
I would fully admit if I knew these people.
I do not know any of them.
I have only been following this case along with the rest of the Monkeys.

~Peace
I am sorry you are having a hard day, I do know how you feel after finding Caylee not alive I had to back off and just follow the cases at a distance.  I hope you feel better soon...... ::MonkeyAngel::

Sending love!  I have to back off a lot when it starts getting to me.  I cry frequently about these cases.  For me it is a release.  However, when I start to get depressed, I do have to take a break.  We all feel the pain and sorrow so much.  After all, that's why were are here.  We are compassionate souls!


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: klaasend on August 02, 2010, 07:46:49 PM

There is a reason they have seached many times in and around Sauvie Island.
Why do you think that is, Klaas?  Eyewitness?  Pings?  Or both and more?

I believe Pings and witnesses that saw her truck (I believe).


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Lucky7 on August 02, 2010, 07:50:31 PM
Has anyone seen this post?....

Snipped..

What do you mean Kyron just got off the phone?

Posted on Kaine Horman challenges those with information to come forward in Kyron Horman case on July 31, 2010, 8:44PM


this person seems to know the Horman family....
http://connect.oregonlive.com/user/lentsres/comments-2.html

I'm trying to find the comment in context.  I'd say if this was 2 days ago it was nothing or we would have heard.
the original was deleted I looked


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on August 02, 2010, 07:50:53 PM
Wyks  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Desdemona on August 02, 2010, 07:50:54 PM
Back on page 5 or so of this thread, it was said that Dede's vehicle formerly sported a sticker from Multnomah Search and Rescue. This is not correct.

The sticker read "Klamath County Dive Rescue."  Dede's parents live in Klamath County, which is where Dede grew up.  They live several hours south of Portland.  Dede's father was deputized by the Klamath County Sheriff's Office as an officer in the marine rescue unit.  It has been established that Dede's father was NOT involved in the search efforts for Kyron in Multnomah County.

The decal was on the rear window of Dede's vehicle when she drove Terri away from the Horman residence around the time of the divorce filing/restraining order/order to vacate the home.  Then, after Dede's home had been searched by LE, it was noted that the decal had been removed.

Brandi was kind enough to snag pictures.  Maybe she could repost them to clarify this issue.

Just wanted to correct that before anyone hopped onto the wrong info and ran with it.  If I have any info wrong here, please correct the corrector.  LOL


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Lucky7 on August 02, 2010, 07:53:46 PM
Back on page 5 or so of this thread, it was said that Dede's vehicle formerly sported a sticker from Multnomah Search and Rescue. This is not correct.

The sticker read "Klamath County Dive Rescue."  Dede's parents live in Klamath County, which is where Dede grew up.  They live several hours south of Portland.  Dede's father was deputized by the Klamath County Sheriff's Office as an officer in the marine rescue unit.  It has been established that Dede's father was NOT involved in the search efforts for Kyron in Multnomah County.

The decal was on the rear window of Dede's vehicle when she drove Terri away from the Horman residence around the time of the divorce filing/restraining order/order to vacate the home.  Then, after Dede's home had been searched by LE, it was noted that the decal had been removed.

Brandi was kind enough to snag pictures.  Maybe she could repost them to clarify this issue.

Just wanted to correct that before anyone hopped onto the wrong info and ran with it.  If I have any info wrong here, please correct the corrector.  LOL
Hi Desi, thanks for the info! :)


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: d in texas on August 02, 2010, 07:55:02 PM
Has anyone seen this post?....

Snipped..

What do you mean Kyron just got off the phone?

Posted on Kaine Horman challenges those with information to come forward in Kyron Horman case on July 31, 2010, 8:44PM


this person seems to know the Horman family....
http://connect.oregonlive.com/user/lentsres/comments-2.html

I'm trying to find the comment in context.  I'd say if this was 2 days ago it was nothing or we would have heard.
hold on think Luck 7 has that.  Research is her gig..


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Wyks on August 02, 2010, 07:59:02 PM
Aww Wykes, you are my monkey buddy... :smt056
Sometimes I wish I can just go through the screen and give you a (((((((((Hug))))))))))

Awwwww TG.. < hugs!! back atcha >  and thanks.  Yeppers, I feel the same about you.   ::MonkeyAngel::



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: d in texas on August 02, 2010, 07:59:32 PM
Back on page 5 or so of this thread, it was said that Dede's vehicle formerly sported a sticker from Multnomah Search and Rescue. This is not correct.

The sticker read "Klamath County Dive Rescue."  Dede's parents live in Klamath County, which is where Dede grew up.  They live several hours south of Portland.  Dede's father was deputized by the Klamath County Sheriff's Office as an officer in the marine rescue unit.  It has been established that Dede's father was NOT involved in the search efforts for Kyron in Multnomah County.

The decal was on the rear window of Dede's vehicle when she drove Terri away from the Horman residence around the time of the divorce filing/restraining order/order to vacate the home.  Then, after Dede's home had been searched by LE, it was noted that the decal had been removed.

Brandi was kind enough to snag pictures.  Maybe she could repost them to clarify this issue.

Just wanted to correct that before anyone hopped onto the wrong info and ran with it.  If I have any info wrong here, please correct the corrector.  LOL
Hi Desi, thanks for the info! :)
Thank you so much I was the one who posted incorrecly.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: cw618 on August 02, 2010, 08:02:39 PM
kyrons parents go to GJ, all ive found so far
http://www.koinlocal6.com/content/mediacenter/default.aspx?videoid=17453@koin.web.entriq.net


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: klaasend on August 02, 2010, 08:03:08 PM
http://www.katu.com/news/local/99801789.html


Kyron’s parents testify before grand jury
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By Thom Jensen KATU News and KATU.com Staff

Story Published: Aug 2, 2010 at 4:38 PM PDT

TIP LINE - (503) 261-2847

PORTLAND, Ore. - The parents of missing 7-year-old Kyron Horman testified before a grand jury Monday afternoon, according to a source at the Multnomah County Courthouse.

Kyron’s mother, Desiree Young, and his stepfather, Tony Young, left the Multnomah County Courthouse out a side door following their testimony and were escorted by sheriff’s deputies.

They said nothing and left in an unmarked car.

Kyron’s father, Kaine Horman, left separately after more than three hours of speaking with jurors. He also had no comment.

DeDe Spicher, a close friend of Kyron’s stepmother,Terri Horman, was asked to testify before the grand jury last week but never actually spoke to jurors.

Sources have said Terri and DeDe have not been able to account for an hour and a half to two hours on the morning of June 4.

Neither Terri Horman nor DeDe Spicher have been charged with any crimes or named suspects in the case, but the family has said they believe Terri was involved in Kyron’s disappearance and that DeDe knows something.

Last Friday Desiree Young made a plea for anyone who knows Terri or DeDe to come forward.

“They need to come forward even if they have nothing, even if they have something small, they need to come forward because it could be the smallest piece that helps solve it,” she said. “If they know them or have talked to them ever, they need to come forward and just share what they know.”

KATU News has been told that Spicher is now talking to detectives but it is unknown if she will be called back to testify before jurors.

If she is forced to talk, she would be granted immunity under Oregon law.

The grand jury in this case could hear testimony for weeks or months and it could also hand off the case to a new grand jury. Experts say testimony usually wraps up within a couple of weeks and the process of getting answers and a possible indictment in the case is moving forward.

“It’s clear that the district attorney, who is the legal adviser to the grand jury, is now confident enough to start this process. Hopefully, that will lead to an indictment,” said Bruce McCain, an attorney and former Multnomah County sheriff’s captain.

“They (Kyron’s parents) are probably going to be the first in a long list of civilian witnesses who will be joining the investigators and boxes and boxes of evidence in this process,” he said.

The district attorney’s office won’t confirm how long the grand jury has been seated or how long it expects jurors to hear testimony.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Wyks on August 02, 2010, 08:08:10 PM
Wyks  ::MonkeyAngel::

Rosie..  ::MonkeyKiss::   I appreciate your friendship, so much.   ::MonkeyAngel::



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Brandi on August 02, 2010, 08:08:41 PM
Back on page 5 or so of this thread, it was said that Dede's vehicle formerly sported a sticker from Multnomah Search and Rescue. This is not correct.

The sticker read "Klamath County Dive Rescue."  Dede's parents live in Klamath County, which is where Dede grew up.  They live several hours south of Portland.  Dede's father was deputized by the Klamath County Sheriff's Office as an officer in the marine rescue unit.  It has been established that Dede's father was NOT involved in the search efforts for Kyron in Multnomah County.

The decal was on the rear window of Dede's vehicle when she drove Terri away from the Horman residence around the time of the divorce filing/restraining order/order to vacate the home.  Then, after Dede's home had been searched by LE, it was noted that the decal had been removed.

Brandi was kind enough to snag pictures.  Maybe she could repost them to clarify this issue.

Just wanted to correct that before anyone hopped onto the wrong info and ran with it.  If I have any info wrong here, please correct the corrector.  LOL

(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/Kyron/Image128.png)


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: d in texas on August 02, 2010, 08:09:11 PM
Has anyone seen this post?....

Snipped..

What do you mean Kyron just got off the phone?

Posted on Kaine Horman challenges those with information to come forward in Kyron Horman case on July 31, 2010, 8:44PM


this person seems to know the Horman family....
http://connect.oregonlive.com/user/lentsres/comments-2.html

I'm trying to find the comment in context.  I'd say if this was 2 days ago it was nothing or we would have heard.
That is wierd it is gone everything from 8-31 after 3:30 ish is gone until 12:59 am ...?
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/07/kaine_horman_challenges_those/4053/comments-3.html (http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/07/kaine_horman_challenges_those/4053/comments-3.html)


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: New Monkey on August 02, 2010, 08:09:13 PM
Monkey hugs to Wyks! 

I totally understand what you are saying.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Wyks on August 02, 2010, 08:10:00 PM
Back on page 5 or so of this thread, it was said that Dede's vehicle formerly sported a sticker from Multnomah Search and Rescue. This is not correct.

The sticker read "Klamath County Dive Rescue."  Dede's parents live in Klamath County, which is where Dede grew up.  They live several hours south of Portland.  Dede's father was deputized by the Klamath County Sheriff's Office as an officer in the marine rescue unit.  It has been established that Dede's father was NOT involved in the search efforts for Kyron in Multnomah County.

The decal was on the rear window of Dede's vehicle when she drove Terri away from the Horman residence around the time of the divorce filing/restraining order/order to vacate the home.  Then, after Dede's home had been searched by LE, it was noted that the decal had been removed.

Brandi was kind enough to snag pictures.  Maybe she could repost them to clarify this issue.

Just wanted to correct that before anyone hopped onto the wrong info and ran with it.  If I have any info wrong here, please correct the corrector.  LOL

Hey Desi!!  Good to see ya!   ::HelloKitty::  And thanks for the info. 



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Wyks on August 02, 2010, 08:13:48 PM
Monkey hugs to Wyks! 

I totally understand what you are saying.

Awww thanks New Monkey!   ::MonkeyAngel::



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: New Monkey on August 02, 2010, 08:15:56 PM

DeDe Spicher, a close friend of Kyron’s stepmother,Terri Horman, was asked to testify before the grand jury last week but never actually spoke to jurors.

Sources have said Terri and DeDe have not been able to account for an hour and a half to two hours on the morning of June 4.


I wonder who these "sources" are.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Wyks on August 02, 2010, 08:16:36 PM
One quick additional comment.
I would fully admit if I knew these people.
I do not know any of them.
I have only been following this case along with the rest of the Monkeys.

~Peace

Hoping you hang in there with us, PML.

We need all of us here.

 ::MonkeyAngel::

Yeah Patricia.. what she said ^ ^ ... Would really hate to hafta pull on my monkey chasin boots and come after ya.  <grins>  But will if necessary ya know.   ::MonkeyTongue::  Tis only cuz we love ya.. and all that. 





Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: seemeatthebeach on August 02, 2010, 08:16:50 PM

It would be unusual for the prosecution to subpoena the target of a grand jury investigation to testify before the grand jury.  First, the prosecution is under no obligation to present the defense's side.  Second, the prosecution is under no obligation to present "exculpatory" evidence.  The question is whether there is sufficient evidence to convict.  Since the state cannot compel a criminal defendant to testify at the merits trial, it would be most unusual for a prosecutor to subpoena the target because, assuming the target would not assert the 5th amendment privilege against self-incrimination, the target, if charged, would not likely testify at trial, therefore making the indictment suspect.


Thanks Jess!   ::dogwag::


How long do we think the GJ will last?  DeDe went before them a week ago today the 26th.

Don't know if true but I heard the GJ in Portland is seated for 1 month.....Don't remember who said it, but was on one of the talk shows.....and we all know how often they're wrong ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Wyks on August 02, 2010, 08:23:15 PM
Glad I am not the only one to notice the TH support page taking down Kyron's picture replacing with step-mother.  National TV twice in one day.....hmm

Yeah..  Am glad that y'all mentioned it cuz dang, I thought I had gone into the wrong forum.  Eeeeek!  Dunno why they'd do such a thing.  It's weird, cuz in changing up the main pic, what kind of statement is that making?  Or is it a statement at all?  :scratch:  Just seems very weird to me...



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on August 02, 2010, 08:23:19 PM
Wyks  ::MonkeyAngel::

Rosie..  ::MonkeyKiss::   I appreciate your friendship, so much.   ::MonkeyAngel::


I appreciate your friendship so much also   ::MonkeyAngel::      If DeDe is forced to talk, she would be granted immunity under Oregon law. That is interesting. And I wonder if DeDe's cousin if what he is saying is true, if DeDe when she moved into the house with Terri, and became suspicious if she did get any info from her? Also when she moved out if they were still speaking? I read on here somewhere that they are no longer speaking to each other.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: klaasend on August 02, 2010, 08:25:01 PM
They changed the photo again on the Terri Horman support Facebook.  This particular photo of Terri gives me the creeps:

(http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/hs178.ash2/41814_131975590176118_9890_n.jpg)

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000717925522&ref=search#!/pages/Terri-Horman-Support-Page/131975590176118?v=wall&ref=ts (http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000717925522&ref=search#!/pages/Terri-Horman-Support-Page/131975590176118?v=wall&ref=ts)


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: mchenry on August 02, 2010, 08:25:28 PM
http://www.katu.com/news/local/99801789.html


Kyron’s parents testify before grand jury
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By Thom Jensen KATU News and KATU.com Staff

Story Published: Aug 2, 2010 at 4:38 PM PDT

TIP LINE - (503) 261-2847

PORTLAND, Ore. - The parents of missing 7-year-old Kyron Horman testified before a grand jury Monday afternoon, according to a source at the Multnomah County Courthouse.

Kyron’s mother, Desiree Young, and his stepfather, Tony Young, left the Multnomah County Courthouse out a side door following their testimony and were escorted by sheriff’s deputies.

They said nothing and left in an unmarked car.

Kyron’s father, Kaine Horman, left separately after more than three hours of speaking with jurors. He also had no comment.

DeDe Spicher, a close friend of Kyron’s stepmother,Terri Horman, was asked to testify before the grand jury last week but never actually spoke to jurors.

Sources have said Terri and DeDe have not been able to account for an hour and a half to two hours on the morning of June 4.

Neither Terri Horman nor DeDe Spicher have been charged with any crimes or named suspects in the case, but the family has said they believe Terri was involved in Kyron’s disappearance and that DeDe knows something.

Last Friday Desiree Young made a plea for anyone who knows Terri or DeDe to come forward.

“They need to come forward even if they have nothing, even if they have something small, they need to come forward because it could be the smallest piece that helps solve it,” she said. “If they know them or have talked to them ever, they need to come forward and just share what they know.”

KATU News has been told that Spicher is now talking to detectives but it is unknown if she will be called back to testify before jurors.

If she is forced to talk, she would be granted immunity under Oregon law.

The grand jury in this case could hear testimony for weeks or months and it could also hand off the case to a new grand jury. Experts say testimony usually wraps up within a couple of weeks and the process of getting answers and a possible indictment in the case is moving forward.

“It’s clear that the district attorney, who is the legal adviser to the grand jury, is now confident enough to start this process. Hopefully, that will lead to an indictment,” said Bruce McCain, an attorney and former Multnomah County sheriff’s captain.

“They (Kyron’s parents) are probably going to be the first in a long list of civilian witnesses who will be joining the investigators and boxes and boxes of evidence in this process,” he said.

The district attorney’s office won’t confirm how long the grand jury has been seated or how long it expects jurors to hear testimony.
Thank you Klaas! This is very interesting!  ::rhino::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: New Monkey on August 02, 2010, 08:26:50 PM
They changed the photo again on the Terri Horman support Facebook.  This particular photo of Terri gives me the creeps:

(http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/hs178.ash2/41814_131975590176118_9890_n.jpg)

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000717925522&ref=search#!/pages/Terri-Horman-Support-Page/131975590176118?v=wall&ref=ts (http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000717925522&ref=search#!/pages/Terri-Horman-Support-Page/131975590176118?v=wall&ref=ts)

Me too!  Yikes!   ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Brandi on August 02, 2010, 08:29:06 PM
They changed the photo again on the Terri Horman support Facebook.  This particular photo of Terri gives me the creeps:

(http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/hs178.ash2/41814_131975590176118_9890_n.jpg)

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000717925522&ref=search#!/pages/Terri-Horman-Support-Page/131975590176118?v=wall&ref=ts (http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000717925522&ref=search#!/pages/Terri-Horman-Support-Page/131975590176118?v=wall&ref=ts)

heh .. not gonna mention the quality of the artwork. Nope. Not me.

And that look on her face is creepy!


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: AZSunny on August 02, 2010, 08:29:46 PM
They changed the photo again on the Terri Horman support Facebook.  This particular photo of Terri gives me the creeps:

(http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/hs178.ash2/41814_131975590176118_9890_n.jpg)

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000717925522&ref=search#!/pages/Terri-Horman-Support-Page/131975590176118?v=wall&ref=ts (http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000717925522&ref=search#!/pages/Terri-Horman-Support-Page/131975590176118?v=wall&ref=ts)

Me too!  Yikes!   ::MonkeyShocked::

Me three...she looks drugged.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Lucky7 on August 02, 2010, 08:34:25 PM
They changed the photo again on the Terri Horman support Facebook.  This particular photo of Terri gives me the creeps:

(http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/hs178.ash2/41814_131975590176118_9890_n.jpg)

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000717925522&ref=search#!/pages/Terri-Horman-Support-Page/131975590176118?v=wall&ref=ts (http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000717925522&ref=search#!/pages/Terri-Horman-Support-Page/131975590176118?v=wall&ref=ts)

heh .. not gonna mention the quality of the artwork. Nope. Not me.

And that look on her face is creepy!
her eyes are creepy! & even the videos she is in at the beginning of all this~ her eyes were pretty scary lookin (the eyes tell alot imo)


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Kat_Gram on August 02, 2010, 08:34:39 PM
One quick additional comment.
I would fully admit if I knew these people.
I do not know any of them.
I have only been following this case along with the rest of the Monkeys.

~Peace

I appreciate you being here and am glad that you are staying.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Wyks on August 02, 2010, 08:34:43 PM
One quick additional comment.
I would fully admit if I knew these people.
I do not know any of them.
I have only been following this case along with the rest of the Monkeys.

~Peace
I am sorry you are having a hard day, I do know how you feel after finding Caylee not alive I had to back off and just follow the cases at a distance.  I hope you feel better soon...... ::MonkeyAngel::

This is so true.  These cases can be sooo very sad, sometimes emotions run high, and to protect our emotional health it's good to take a bit of a break sometimes.  Then we can come back, feeling stronger.   

And if that doesn't help, this might: (http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq117/Wyks_/zMisc/valium-kitty3.gif)



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Claycat on August 02, 2010, 08:34:58 PM
What?  DeDe was attending a landscape class, and she forgot her cell phone!  What happened to the story that she was working and left suddenly and then couldn't be reached?


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Brandi on August 02, 2010, 08:36:26 PM
They changed the photo again on the Terri Horman support Facebook.  This particular photo of Terri gives me the creeps:

(http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/hs178.ash2/41814_131975590176118_9890_n.jpg)

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000717925522&ref=search#!/pages/Terri-Horman-Support-Page/131975590176118?v=wall&ref=ts (http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000717925522&ref=search#!/pages/Terri-Horman-Support-Page/131975590176118?v=wall&ref=ts)

heh .. not gonna mention the quality of the artwork. Nope. Not me.

And that look on her face is creepy!

It's similar to this look on her wedding day:

(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/Kyron/kaine-terri-marriage.png)


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Lucky7 on August 02, 2010, 08:37:57 PM
What?  DeDe was attending a landscape class, and she forgot her cell phone!  What happened to the story that she was working and left suddenly and then couldn't be reached?
this is the first I have heard of a landscaping class. I thought it was someones personal yard she was doing work on.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: klaasend on August 02, 2010, 08:39:18 PM
You know what Terri Horman has taught me?  You can go from normal looking to what I consider freaky body builder muscles, to frumpy is a very short period of time  ::MonkeyCool::  Maybe there's hope for me yet   ::MonkeyWeight::

Now if we could just get her to talk  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Wyks on August 02, 2010, 08:39:33 PM

DeDe Spicher, a close friend of Kyron’s stepmother,Terri Horman, was asked to testify before the grand jury last week but never actually spoke to jurors.

Sources have said Terri and DeDe have not been able to account for an hour and a half to two hours on the morning of June 4.


I wonder who these "sources" are.

Me too!!!  Doesn't it seem that there are an unusual amount of 'sources'?? 

I want 'sources'.   :roll:



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Brandi on August 02, 2010, 08:40:51 PM
What?  DeDe was attending a landscape class, and she forgot her cell phone!  What happened to the story that she was working and left suddenly and then couldn't be reached?

Same question I have also.

Quote
Detectives learned that Spicher, who shares Terri Horman's passion for fitness and gardening, was doing gardening work for a Northwest Portland homeowner on June 4. She abruptly left the house about 11:30 a.m. and didn't return until an hour to 90 minutes later.
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/07/investigators_put_pressure_on.html


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: sassifrass on August 02, 2010, 08:41:15 PM
Can I ask a question, why are we doing a roll call on if someone knows or is in contact with a person involved in this case? I am not following the reason.

As I said, I would love to speak to any of the main players in this case, even Terri. Can you imagine? I would love to hear her side of the story. Me and about a million other people
I have no idea at all.

Sassifrass posted a quote that someone at Terri's support site had said there were friends and supporters of Terri at Scared Monkeys, so Lifesong asked us if any of us were.


IMO this got blown way out of proportion. I posted a link from that site and too many people took it literally. It boggles my mind   ::MonkeyConfused:: how one little quote from there can create such a stir. You have to look at the source (meaning that site). They are pulling any and all info from sites that make TH look innocent. We should just move on from it, and believe me when I say, I will NEVER post a quote from that site again.  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: klaasend on August 02, 2010, 08:42:30 PM
What?  DeDe was attending a landscape class, and she forgot her cell phone!  What happened to the story that she was working and left suddenly and then couldn't be reached?

Same question I have also.

Quote
Detectives learned that Spicher, who shares Terri Horman's passion for fitness and gardening, was doing gardening work for a Northwest Portland homeowner on June 4. She abruptly left the house about 11:30 a.m. and didn't return until an hour to 90 minutes later.
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/07/investigators_put_pressure_on.html

I believe it was one of those community gardens.  I have the name someplace of where I think it was, now I'll have to find it.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 02, 2010, 08:55:23 PM
What?  DeDe was attending a landscape class, and she forgot her cell phone!  What happened to the story that she was working and left suddenly and then couldn't be reached?

Investigators put pressure on Terri Moulton Horman's friends, including DeDe Spicher
Published: Thursday, July 22, 2010, 7:50 PM     Updated: Friday, July 23, 2010, 11:52 AM


Detectives learned that Spicher, who shares Terri Horman's passion for fitness and gardening, was doing gardening work for a Northwest Portland homeowner on June 4. She abruptly left the house about 11:30 a.m. and didn't return until an hour to 90 minutes later.

Another person working at the home called Spicher to come in for lunch, and the homeowner called Spicher on her cell phone but she wasn't reachable. Detectives have questioned both the homeowner and the other person who was working at the home that day.

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/07/investigators_put_pressure_on.html


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Wyks on August 02, 2010, 08:55:35 PM

I appreciate your friendship so much also   ::MonkeyAngel::      If DeDe is forced to talk, she would be granted immunity under Oregon law. That is interesting. And I wonder if DeDe's cousin if what he is saying is true, if DeDe when she moved into the house with Terri, and became suspicious if she did get any info from her? Also when she moved out if they were still speaking? I read on here somewhere that they are no longer speaking to each other.

 ::MonkeyDance::

Well, seems to me if DeDe is granted immunity, there must be good reason, and she'd then have no reason not to talk up a storm, yanno?  Seems if she still didn't talk, then I'd be grabbing rotten tomaters from her compost piles and tossing em at her til she did.   ::rhino::

Seems that if what her cuz Tom said is true, that if at some point DeDe became like a double agent, trying for more info from Terri, that may be why she may be asking for immunity in exchange for whatever info she may have gotten.  LE may not have known what DeDe was doing ahead of time, (if that's what she did), and it very likely may have been a dangerous thing for DeDe to do.  Who knows, until we find out whatever it was.  Yet if all that is true, may very likely be why she was talking with Terri at some point, then stopped. 

Not sure exactly when she stopped talking to Terri.  If that was before/after LE talked with DeDe.  And before/after she talked with her daddy and lawyered up.  Can sure understand the silence between lawyering up and realizing she may be headed to the GJ and asking for immunity. 

Did any of that make sense?  lol  hmmm..  more of this --->  ::monkeywine2::   



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Claycat on August 02, 2010, 08:57:02 PM
I posted this question for Jonesr at GLP.


Jonesr, please note.  There is a discrepancy in the stories about where DeDe was on June 4.


The following excerpt is from an article in the Oregon Live.

"Detectives learned that Spicher, who shares Terri Horman's passion for fitness and gardening, was doing gardening work for a Northwest Portland homeowner on June 4. She abruptly left the house about 11:30 a.m. and didn't return until an hour to 90 minutes later.

Another person working at the home called Spicher to come in for lunch, and the homeowner called Spicher on her cell phone but she wasn't reachable. Detectives have questioned both the homeowner and the other person who was working at the home that day."

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/07/investigators_put_pressure_on.html


This is a video from today.

Friends of Dede Spicher said she was attending a landscaping class that day and forgot her cell phone.

http://www.koinlocal6.com/content/mediacenter/default.aspx?videoid=17453@koin.web.entriq.net


Do you have any idea which of those stories is the correct one?


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Scatty on August 02, 2010, 09:00:43 PM
What?  DeDe was attending a landscape class, and she forgot her cell phone!  What happened to the story that she was working and left suddenly and then couldn't be reached?

Wait! Quick question--where did the mention of landscape class come from?


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Scatty on August 02, 2010, 09:01:45 PM
Never mind. I saw Claycat's next post. ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on August 02, 2010, 09:02:19 PM
What?  DeDe was attending a landscape class, and she forgot her cell phone!  What happened to the story that she was working and left suddenly and then couldn't be reached?
::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Wyks on August 02, 2010, 09:03:13 PM
They changed the photo again on the Terri Horman support Facebook.  This particular photo of Terri gives me the creeps:

(http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/hs178.ash2/41814_131975590176118_9890_n.jpg)

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000717925522&ref=search#!/pages/Terri-Horman-Support-Page/131975590176118?v=wall&ref=ts (http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000717925522&ref=search#!/pages/Terri-Horman-Support-Page/131975590176118?v=wall&ref=ts)

Gives me the heebie-jeebies too, Klaas! 




Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Claycat on August 02, 2010, 09:05:01 PM
They changed the photo again on the Terri Horman support Facebook.  This particular photo of Terri gives me the creeps:

(http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/hs178.ash2/41814_131975590176118_9890_n.jpg)

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000717925522&ref=search#!/pages/Terri-Horman-Support-Page/131975590176118?v=wall&ref=ts (http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000717925522&ref=search#!/pages/Terri-Horman-Support-Page/131975590176118?v=wall&ref=ts)

Gives me the heebie-jeebies too, Klaas! 




Me, too!  She's got dead eyes in that photo.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Wyks on August 02, 2010, 09:07:29 PM
What?  DeDe was attending a landscape class, and she forgot her cell phone!  What happened to the story that she was working and left suddenly and then couldn't be reached?

Huh??  I missed the memo on this!  Where are you reading Clay?? 



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 02, 2010, 09:09:47 PM
http://www.katu.com/news/local/99801789.html


Kyron’s parents testify before grand jury
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By Thom Jensen KATU News and KATU.com Staff

Story Published: Aug 2, 2010 at 4:38 PM PDT

TIP LINE - (503) 261-2847

PORTLAND, Ore. - The parents of missing 7-year-old Kyron Horman testified before a grand jury Monday afternoon, according to a source at the Multnomah County Courthouse.

Kyron’s mother, Desiree Young, and his stepfather, Tony Young, left the Multnomah County Courthouse out a side door following their testimony and were escorted by sheriff’s deputies.

They said nothing and left in an unmarked car.

Kyron’s father, Kaine Horman, left separately after more than three hours of speaking with jurors. He also had no comment.

DeDe Spicher, a close friend of Kyron’s stepmother,Terri Horman, was asked to testify before the grand jury last week but never actually spoke to jurors.

Sources have said Terri and DeDe have not been able to account for an hour and a half to two hours on the morning of June 4.

Neither Terri Horman nor DeDe Spicher have been charged with any crimes or named suspects in the case, but the family has said they believe Terri was involved in Kyron’s disappearance and that DeDe knows something.

Last Friday Desiree Young made a plea for anyone who knows Terri or DeDe to come forward.

“They need to come forward even if they have nothing, even if they have something small, they need to come forward because it could be the smallest piece that helps solve it,” she said. “If they know them or have talked to them ever, they need to come forward and just share what they know.”

KATU News has been told that Spicher is now talking to detectives but it is unknown if she will be called back to testify before jurors.

If she is forced to talk, she would be granted immunity under Oregon law.

The grand jury in this case could hear testimony for weeks or months and it could also hand off the case to a new grand jury. Experts say testimony usually wraps up within a couple of weeks and the process of getting answers and a possible indictment in the case is moving forward.

“It’s clear that the district attorney, who is the legal adviser to the grand jury, is now confident enough to start this process. Hopefully, that will lead to an indictment,” said Bruce McCain, an attorney and former Multnomah County sheriff’s captain.

“They (Kyron’s parents) are probably going to be the first in a long list of civilian witnesses who will be joining the investigators and boxes and boxes of evidence in this process,” he said.

The district attorney’s office won’t confirm how long the grand jury has been seated or how long it expects jurors to hear testimony.

I am pleased.

As long as DeDe was only involved in assisting Terri in covering up wrongdoing committed against the person of Kyron ... I believe that immunity from prosecution in exchange for the truth is a necessary compromise.

Janet



 


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Claycat on August 02, 2010, 09:11:38 PM
What?  DeDe was attending a landscape class, and she forgot her cell phone!  What happened to the story that she was working and left suddenly and then couldn't be reached?

Huh??  I missed the memo on this!  Where are you reading Clay?? 



Wyks, check my post #291.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Brandi on August 02, 2010, 09:12:01 PM
What?  DeDe was attending a landscape class, and she forgot her cell phone!  What happened to the story that she was working and left suddenly and then couldn't be reached?

Wait! Quick question--where did the mention of landscape class come from?

http://www.koinlocal6.com/content/mediacenter/default.aspx?videoid=17453@koin.web.entriq.net

Says a friend says she was attending a landscaping class at a local nursery.



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Wyks on August 02, 2010, 09:12:17 PM
Never mind. I saw Claycat's next post. ::MonkeyWink::

Me too.   ::MonkeyHaHa::



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: darla on August 02, 2010, 09:13:53 PM
They changed the photo again on the Terri Horman support Facebook.  This particular photo of Terri gives me the creeps:

(http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/hs178.ash2/41814_131975590176118_9890_n.jpg)

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000717925522&ref=search#!/pages/Terri-Horman-Support-Page/131975590176118?v=wall&ref=ts (http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000717925522&ref=search#!/pages/Terri-Horman-Support-Page/131975590176118?v=wall&ref=ts)

Gives me the heebie-jeebies too, Klaas! 




Me, too!  She's got dead eyes in that photo.




Good Evening all.....That pic had to be taken when she was half drunk. Her eyes aren't focused.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Wyks on August 02, 2010, 09:14:24 PM
What?  DeDe was attending a landscape class, and she forgot her cell phone!  What happened to the story that she was working and left suddenly and then couldn't be reached?

Huh??  I missed the memo on this!  Where are you reading Clay?? 



Wyks, check my post #291.

Thanks!  I should know better by now to read ahead before posting.   ::piggy::



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: klaasend on August 02, 2010, 09:16:44 PM
They changed the photo again on the Terri Horman support Facebook.  This particular photo of Terri gives me the creeps:

(http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/hs178.ash2/41814_131975590176118_9890_n.jpg)

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000717925522&ref=search#!/pages/Terri-Horman-Support-Page/131975590176118?v=wall&ref=ts (http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000717925522&ref=search#!/pages/Terri-Horman-Support-Page/131975590176118?v=wall&ref=ts)

Gives me the heebie-jeebies too, Klaas! 




Me, too!  She's got dead eyes in that photo.




Good Evening all.....That pic had to be taken when she was half drunk. Her eyes aren't focused.

Comes from this pic
(http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs200.snc4/38352_1331720412572_1217859653_30783626_2835644_n.jpg)


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Desdemona on August 02, 2010, 09:16:49 PM
Thanks for posting pics of Dede's vehicle, Brandi.  And hello to all.

Gotta run, but one quick thing, FWIW:  I thought I detected marks (multiple small bruises maybe?) on Terri's wrists/arms in the video from the first presser, which was excerpted in one of the reports linked upthread.  It is not easy to see, but IMO it was distinctive.  Am not feeling well, otherwise I would try to go back and find it myself.  Does anyone else see this, or am I imagining things?  Of course if there are marks, she could have banged up her arms in a variety of ways, but I thought it was worth noting.

Kyron's parents are breaking my heart.  This is one sweet little guy who needs to be found ASAP.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Gypsy DD on August 02, 2010, 09:18:13 PM
They changed the photo again on the Terri Horman support Facebook.  This particular photo of Terri gives me the creeps:

(http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/hs178.ash2/41814_131975590176118_9890_n.jpg)

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000717925522&ref=search#!/pages/Terri-Horman-Support-Page/131975590176118?v=wall&ref=ts (http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000717925522&ref=search#!/pages/Terri-Horman-Support-Page/131975590176118?v=wall&ref=ts)

heh .. not gonna mention the quality of the artwork. Nope. Not me.

And that look on her face is creepy!

It's similar to this look on her wedding day:

(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/Kyron/kaine-terri-marriage.png)

Yep..she looks like a woman she devil in her honeymoon videos.  That is an evil smile..and I have noticed in most photos her smile doesn't seem real.  In this one it does seem real..evil in the eyes and the lips..the whole position of her face..just evil. 

Poor Kyron..having to look at that face when she was angry or upset ( it was evil looking even when she was happy on the honeymoon)..and used him as her scapegoat.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Wyks on August 02, 2010, 09:26:24 PM
I posted this question for Jonesr at GLP.


Jonesr, please note.  There is a discrepancy in the stories about where DeDe was on June 4.


The following excerpt is from an article in the Oregon Live.

"Detectives learned that Spicher, who shares Terri Horman's passion for fitness and gardening, was doing gardening work for a Northwest Portland homeowner on June 4. She abruptly left the house about 11:30 a.m. and didn't return until an hour to 90 minutes later.

Another person working at the home called Spicher to come in for lunch, and the homeowner called Spicher on her cell phone but she wasn't reachable. Detectives have questioned both the homeowner and the other person who was working at the home that day."

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/07/investigators_put_pressure_on.html


This is a video from today.

Friends of Dede Spicher said she was attending a landscaping class that day and forgot her cell phone.

http://www.koinlocal6.com/content/mediacenter/default.aspx?videoid=17453@koin.web.entriq.net


Do you have any idea which of those stories is the correct one?

Thanks for asking him about this then, Clay.. Cuz tho her friends mention a class that day, they weren't specific about what time that class was, or much about it all.  Why even mention it if they didn't know more about it than that?  Course, a lot could have been cut from their full interview, with us just getting a snippit.  If there was a class, LE would likely already know that, and have had a chance to confirm. 
 


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 02, 2010, 09:26:37 PM
What?  DeDe was attending a landscape class, and she forgot her cell phone!  What happened to the story that she was working and left suddenly and then couldn't be reached?

Investigators put pressure on Terri Moulton Horman's friends, including DeDe Spicher
Published: Thursday, July 22, 2010, 7:50 PM     Updated: Friday, July 23, 2010, 11:52 AM


Detectives learned that Spicher, who shares Terri Horman's passion for fitness and gardening, was doing gardening work for a Northwest Portland homeowner on June 4. She abruptly left the house about 11:30 a.m. and didn't return until an hour to 90 minutes later.

Another person working at the home called Spicher to come in for lunch, and the homeowner called Spicher on her cell phone but she wasn't reachable. Detectives have questioned both the homeowner and the other person who was working at the home that day.

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/07/investigators_put_pressure_on.html


Landscaping Class?

http://www.koinlocal6.com/content/mediacenter/default.aspx?videoid=17453@koin.web.entriq.net


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Scatty on August 02, 2010, 09:34:22 PM
They changed the photo again on the Terri Horman support Facebook.  This particular photo of Terri gives me the creeps:

(http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/hs178.ash2/41814_131975590176118_9890_n.jpg)

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000717925522&ref=search#!/pages/Terri-Horman-Support-Page/131975590176118?v=wall&ref=ts (http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000717925522&ref=search#!/pages/Terri-Horman-Support-Page/131975590176118?v=wall&ref=ts)

Gives me the heebie-jeebies too, Klaas! 




Me, too!  She's got dead eyes in that photo.




Good Evening all.....That pic had to be taken when she was half drunk. Her eyes aren't focused.

Comes from this pic
(http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs200.snc4/38352_1331720412572_1217859653_30783626_2835644_n.jpg)
In that pic, it looks like she has "sankapu" eyes, which is eyes with the whites showing below the iris. In Ann Rule's book, Small Sacrifices, she mentions that Diane Downs had sankapu eyes. These people are supposed to quite charismatic (and imo manipulative), able to charm people etc. Terri's expression looks very hard and calculating to me, despite the smile on her face.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: klaasend on August 02, 2010, 09:34:26 PM
http://www.kgw.com/news/kyron-horman/2-months-later-where-is-Kyron-Horman-99784814.html

Kyron Horman's parents appear at courthouse in Portland

by By ANNE M. PETERSON AP Writer and KGW.com Staff

kgw.com

Posted on August 2, 2010 at 1:24 PM

Updated today at 5:24 PM

PORTLAND, Ore.  -- Kyron's father Kaine Horman and his mother Desiree Young and her husband Tony Young were spotted leaving the Multnomah County courthouse Monday.

(snipped)

Video:



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: ospainter on August 02, 2010, 09:43:05 PM
Dede's tweets, maybe working in a nursery on June 4th, dunno.

Worked in the nursery today. Happily, I could still hear the babies peeping in the greenhouse while I transplanted plants. Friday, May 14, 2010 7:46:28 PM via txt

      
Working in the greenhouse this morning & blissfuly enjoying the company of a few baby quail & pheasant. Wednesday, May 12, 2010 1:58:59 PM via txt

My answer is NO as to knowing/supporting ANYONE involved in this case.

OS




Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Gypsy DD on August 02, 2010, 09:43:23 PM
What?  DeDe was attending a landscape class, and she forgot her cell phone!  What happened to the story that she was working and left suddenly and then couldn't be reached?

Investigators put pressure on Terri Moulton Horman's friends, including DeDe Spicher
Published: Thursday, July 22, 2010, 7:50 PM     Updated: Friday, July 23, 2010, 11:52 AM


Detectives learned that Spicher, who shares Terri Horman's passion for fitness and gardening, was doing gardening work for a Northwest Portland homeowner on June 4. She abruptly left the house about 11:30 a.m. and didn't return until an hour to 90 minutes later.

Another person working at the home called Spicher to come in for lunch, and the homeowner called Spicher on her cell phone but she wasn't reachable. Detectives have questioned both the homeowner and the other person who was working at the home that day.

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/07/investigators_put_pressure_on.html


Landscaping Class?

http://www.koinlocal6.com/content/mediacenter/default.aspx?videoid=17453@koin.web.entriq.net

Since the homeowner , who happens to run a very high profile business on the web, says she was working there that day..as did her follow worker..I tend to believe that story.  I also believe that the homeowner and her fellow employee both tried to reach DD for lunch.  It is a large property, however, both the fellow worker and the home owner would have known what part of the property and where DD was working.  For DD to now say she was still working, and then now friends say she was at a LS class..it doesn't make sense.

To me, the property owner, that has a beautiful property that is their livelihood, would not lie.  They are a place listed as peaceful, artistic, etc.  They would not live about her presence that day...it would not help their PR.  I believe them.  I do not believe DD was still there working SOMEWHERE THAT THE PROPERTY OWNER OR HER CO WORKER WAS UNAWARE OF..nor do I believe she was at a LS conference or class somewhere else.  If she was somewhere else why would the property owner be trying to call her to come in for lunch?


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Brandi on August 02, 2010, 09:52:18 PM
What?  DeDe was attending a landscape class, and she forgot her cell phone!  What happened to the story that she was working and left suddenly and then couldn't be reached?

Investigators put pressure on Terri Moulton Horman's friends, including DeDe Spicher
Published: Thursday, July 22, 2010, 7:50 PM     Updated: Friday, July 23, 2010, 11:52 AM


Detectives learned that Spicher, who shares Terri Horman's passion for fitness and gardening, was doing gardening work for a Northwest Portland homeowner on June 4. She abruptly left the house about 11:30 a.m. and didn't return until an hour to 90 minutes later.

Another person working at the home called Spicher to come in for lunch, and the homeowner called Spicher on her cell phone but she wasn't reachable. Detectives have questioned both the homeowner and the other person who was working at the home that day.

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/07/investigators_put_pressure_on.html


Landscaping Class?

http://www.koinlocal6.com/content/mediacenter/default.aspx?videoid=17453@koin.web.entriq.net

Since the homeowner , who happens to run a very high profile business on the web, says she was working there that day..as did her follow worker..I tend to believe that story.  I also believe that the homeowner and her fellow employee both tried to reach DD for lunch.  It is a large property, however, both the fellow worker and the home owner would have known what part of the property and where DD was working.  For DD to now say she was still working, and then now friends say she was at a LS class..it doesn't make sense.

To me, the property owner, that has a beautiful property that is their livelihood, would not lie.  They are a place listed as peaceful, artistic, etc.  They would not live about her presence that day...it would not help their PR.  I believe them.  I do not believe DD was still there working SOMEWHERE THAT THE PROPERTY OWNER OR HER CO WORKER WAS UNAWARE OF..nor do I believe she was at a LS conference or class somewhere else.  If she was somewhere else why would the property owner be trying to call her to come in for lunch?

I am jumping at an OPINION here.

Could this be the place Dede was working at on June 4?

http://www.gardenconservancy.org/opendays/gardens.pl?ID=269&IDEvent=346&SortBy=&State=


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Scatty on August 02, 2010, 09:52:36 PM
What?  DeDe was attending a landscape class, and she forgot her cell phone!  What happened to the story that she was working and left suddenly and then couldn't be reached?

Investigators put pressure on Terri Moulton Horman's friends, including DeDe Spicher
Published: Thursday, July 22, 2010, 7:50 PM     Updated: Friday, July 23, 2010, 11:52 AM


Detectives learned that Spicher, who shares Terri Horman's passion for fitness and gardening, was doing gardening work for a Northwest Portland homeowner on June 4. She abruptly left the house about 11:30 a.m. and didn't return until an hour to 90 minutes later.

Another person working at the home called Spicher to come in for lunch, and the homeowner called Spicher on her cell phone but she wasn't reachable. Detectives have questioned both the homeowner and the other person who was working at the home that day.

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/07/investigators_put_pressure_on.html


Landscaping Class?

http://www.koinlocal6.com/content/mediacenter/default.aspx?videoid=17453@koin.web.entriq.net

Since the homeowner , who happens to run a very high profile business on the web, says she was working there that day..as did her follow worker..I tend to believe that story.  I also believe that the homeowner and her fellow employee both tried to reach DD for lunch.  It is a large property, however, both the fellow worker and the home owner would have known what part of the property and where DD was working.  For DD to now say she was still working, and then now friends say she was at a LS class..it doesn't make sense.

To me, the property owner, that has a beautiful property that is their livelihood, would not lie.  They are a place listed as peaceful, artistic, etc.  They would not live about her presence that day...it would not help their PR.  I believe them.  I do not believe DD was still there working SOMEWHERE THAT THE PROPERTY OWNER OR HER CO WORKER WAS UNAWARE OF..nor do I believe she was at a LS conference or class somewhere else.  If she was somewhere else why would the property owner be trying to call her to come in for lunch?

I agree 100% with your post Gypsy.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on August 02, 2010, 09:53:28 PM
Looks like I'm the only one, but I think the picture of Terri with the three kids is very nice, think all four of them look good. Guess beauty is in the eye of the beholder.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: klaasend on August 02, 2010, 09:55:41 PM
Looks like I'm the only one, but I think the picture of Terri with the three kids is very nice, think all four of them look good. Guess beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

Looks like that photo was taken about a year ago.  All the kids look great and Terri for the most part looks good but her eyes in that photo give me the creeps.  She scares me in that photo. 


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Claycat on August 02, 2010, 09:56:03 PM
What?  DeDe was attending a landscape class, and she forgot her cell phone!  What happened to the story that she was working and left suddenly and then couldn't be reached?

Investigators put pressure on Terri Moulton Horman's friends, including DeDe Spicher
Published: Thursday, July 22, 2010, 7:50 PM     Updated: Friday, July 23, 2010, 11:52 AM


Detectives learned that Spicher, who shares Terri Horman's passion for fitness and gardening, was doing gardening work for a Northwest Portland homeowner on June 4. She abruptly left the house about 11:30 a.m. and didn't return until an hour to 90 minutes later.

Another person working at the home called Spicher to come in for lunch, and the homeowner called Spicher on her cell phone but she wasn't reachable. Detectives have questioned both the homeowner and the other person who was working at the home that day.

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/07/investigators_put_pressure_on.html


Landscaping Class?

http://www.koinlocal6.com/content/mediacenter/default.aspx?videoid=17453@koin.web.entriq.net

Since the homeowner , who happens to run a very high profile business on the web, says she was working there that day..as did her follow worker..I tend to believe that story.  I also believe that the homeowner and her fellow employee both tried to reach DD for lunch.  It is a large property, however, both the fellow worker and the home owner would have known what part of the property and where DD was working.  For DD to now say she was still working, and then now friends say she was at a LS class..it doesn't make sense.

To me, the property owner, that has a beautiful property that is their livelihood, would not lie.  They are a place listed as peaceful, artistic, etc.  They would not live about her presence that day...it would not help their PR.  I believe them.  I do not believe DD was still there working SOMEWHERE THAT THE PROPERTY OWNER OR HER CO WORKER WAS UNAWARE OF..nor do I believe she was at a LS conference or class somewhere else.  If she was somewhere else why would the property owner be trying to call her to come in for lunch?

Thanks, Gypsy!  It's just not looking good that there are different stories out there!


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Scatty on August 02, 2010, 10:02:43 PM
Looks like I'm the only one, but I think the picture of Terri with the three kids is very nice, think all four of them look good. Guess beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

That is very true too. My opinion could be colored by fact that I think Terri is evil.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: New Monkey on August 02, 2010, 10:06:28 PM
Looks like I'm the only one, but I think the picture of Terri with the three kids is very nice, think all four of them look good. Guess beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
If I had seen the pic first with the children, I'm not sure I would've had the same reaction to the one of just her.  Her eyes just seem "off" to me in that picture.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Claycat on August 02, 2010, 10:08:49 PM
Looks like I'm the only one, but I think the picture of Terri with the three kids is very nice, think all four of them look good. Guess beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

They do look good. 

I have met a very few people in my life whose eyes were so opaque that it seemed no light was coming from them.  It isn't dark eyes that I mean.  I'm not talking about reflections.  I'm talking about inner light.  I knew a girl in high school who had eyes like that, dead eyes.  She was always in trouble.  When she reached middle age, she committed suicide.  (I guess Stephen King says it better than me when he talks about dead lights.) 


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Claycat on August 02, 2010, 10:10:21 PM
Interestingly, Terri's eyes don't look that way when she is at the presser, so it may just be the lighting when the photograph was taken.  ???


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: New Monkey on August 02, 2010, 10:14:28 PM
Looks like I'm the only one, but I think the picture of Terri with the three kids is very nice, think all four of them look good. Guess beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

They do look good. 

I have met a very few people in my life whose eyes were so opaque that it seemed no light was coming from them.  It isn't dark eyes that I mean.  I'm not talking about reflections.  I'm talking about inner light.  I knew a girl in high school who had eyes like that, dead eyes.  She was always in trouble.  When she reached middle age, she committed suicide.  (I guess Stephen King says it better than me when he talks about dead lights.) 
Flat is how I think of them - they don't dance - there's just nothing there.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Claycat on August 02, 2010, 10:19:11 PM
Looks like I'm the only one, but I think the picture of Terri with the three kids is very nice, think all four of them look good. Guess beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

They do look good. 

I have met a very few people in my life whose eyes were so opaque that it seemed no light was coming from them.  It isn't dark eyes that I mean.  I'm not talking about reflections.  I'm talking about inner light.  I knew a girl in high school who had eyes like that, dead eyes.  She was always in trouble.  When she reached middle age, she committed suicide.  (I guess Stephen King says it better than me when he talks about dead lights.) 
Flat is how I think of them - they don't dance - there's just nothing there.

Exactly!


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Claycat on August 02, 2010, 10:21:51 PM
Monkeys, there is someone named Verity posting at GLP.  She posted that there were three 911 calls instead of two.  She has very detailed info.  Another posting is accusing her of being Terri or a friend of Terri.  This is very interesting.

"There was a tour of the science projects after 9 am on June 4th..The schedule was parents tour before the start of class on the 4th, then between 9 and 10 the students were to split up into groups of 5 and 6 and do the tour....the school site said so, before it was updated for the summer schedule.. The 911 calls were because the sting for the murder for hire was a failure, Terri called 911 because 2 guys showed up at her house when she got back from the police station,and those 2 guys were trying to extort $10,000 from her as payment for the MFH. Kinda like if you don't pay me I am going to the police....So if the MFH was true why would she call the police, the second call to 911 was because she was panicking,and wanted to make sure the police were rushing to her house...The third call was because she realized( probably after trying to call Kaine) Kaine was not coming home with the baby and she wanted to find out what her legal rights were since there was no custody court order...
 Quoting: Verity


Just thought I would get this one on record too. In the beginning you cite information about the science fair and said your source. However the stuff in bold, well that wasn't cited was it? So is this fact?
 Quoting: soonergirl


Good catch, Soonergirl! I had heard on a news report that there were two 911 calls, and I asked why they were made. Verity seems to KNOW there were three 911 calls made and exactly WHY they were made (in detail).

Verity seems to have first-hand info."


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Claycat on August 02, 2010, 10:25:25 PM
I'm sorry.  I should have included this link.

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1141412/pg105


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 02, 2010, 10:26:18 PM

Flat is how I think of them - they don't dance - there's just nothing there.

I agree.  The joy revealed in Terri's expression in her wedding picture has completely gone.  Was it the demons associated with PPD or ... was it something else?

Janet

+++++++

Kyron Horman's father recalls when marriage to Terri Horman began to sour
Published: Thursday, July 08, 2010, 7:59 PM
Updated: Friday, July 09, 2010, 9:58 AM


The father of missing second-grader Kyron Horman said Thursday that his marriage to the boy's stepmom began to grow rocky after she gave birth to their little girl 19 months ago.

"I thought the marriage was doing pretty well," Kaine Horman said during a one-on-one interview with The Oregonian, "until we had our daughter, Kiara."

Horman said he thought his marriage to Terri Moulton Horman fractured within six months after she gave birth in November 2008, the result of postpartum depression.

Terri Horman was put on medication for the depression, and her doctor told Kaine to keep an eye on her to make sure she was OK, he said. But she wasn't OK.

"She's had a lot of emotional outbursts," he said. "I think it's still with her. I don't know if it's postpartum or something else." 

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/07/kyron_hormans_father_recalls_w.html


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: d in texas on August 02, 2010, 10:29:08 PM
What?  DeDe was attending a landscape class, and she forgot her cell phone!  What happened to the story that she was working and left suddenly and then couldn't be reached?
this is the first I have heard of a landscaping class. I thought it was someones personal yard she was doing work on.
Might let the lady she was working for know about that one..

The person who owns the house, who was cooperating with investigators, told them she called Spicher on her cell phone but she didn't answer, the source told KGW. A person who was working with Spicher, who was also cooperating with investigators, told them of trying to unsuccessfully find Spicher. Both people have told investigators they have no idea where Spicher was during that period.
http://www.kgw.com/news/Who-is-DeDe-Spicher-99118324.html (http://www.kgw.com/news/Who-is-DeDe-Spicher-99118324.html)


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on August 02, 2010, 10:31:20 PM
Looks like I'm the only one, but I think the picture of Terri with the three kids is very nice, think all four of them look good. Guess beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

Looks like that photo was taken about a year ago.  All the kids look great and Terri for the most part looks good but her eyes in that photo give me the creeps.  She scares me in that photo. 
Compared to what she looks like now  ::MonkeyEek::  Whatever happened in the months leading up to Kyron's disappearance sure took a toll on her looks.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Claycat on August 02, 2010, 10:31:25 PM
What?  DeDe was attending a landscape class, and she forgot her cell phone!  What happened to the story that she was working and left suddenly and then couldn't be reached?
this is the first I have heard of a landscaping class. I thought it was someones personal yard she was doing work on.
Might let the lady she was working for know about that one..

The person who owns the house, who was cooperating with investigators, told them she called Spicher on her cell phone but she didn't answer, the source told KGW. A person who was working with Spicher, who was also cooperating with investigators, told them of trying to unsuccessfully find Spicher. Both people have told investigators they have no idea where Spicher was during that period.
http://www.kgw.com/news/Who-is-DeDe-Spicher-99118324.html (http://www.kgw.com/news/Who-is-DeDe-Spicher-99118324.html)

Interestingly, Jonesr is saying he would go with what her friends are saying.  So, that means he doesn't really know, I guess.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on August 02, 2010, 10:34:40 PM
I'm sorry.  I should have included this link.

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1141412/pg105
Thank-you for that.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: d in texas on August 02, 2010, 10:43:33 PM
Looks like I'm the only one, but I think the picture of Terri with the three kids is very nice, think all four of them look good. Guess beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

Looks like that photo was taken about a year ago.  All the kids look great and Terri for the most part looks good but her eyes in that photo give me the creeps.  She scares me in that photo. 
Compared to what she looks like now  ::MonkeyEek::  Whatever happened in the months leading up to Kyron's disappearance sure took a toll on her looks.
I am going with you I haven't seen evil in any of this pictures, she seems animated, and as a habit she holds her head down and eyes up (just guessing), the later pictures from facebook album 2009 xmas...you start seeing the "dead" eyes as described above. 
What happened?  Did she really try to hire someone to kill KH?


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: New Monkey on August 02, 2010, 10:44:10 PM
I'm sorry.  I should have included this link.

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1141412/pg105
That is really interesting.  Thank you for sharing the link. 


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: d in texas on August 02, 2010, 10:49:33 PM
O/T==
http://www.shreveporttimes.com/article/20100802/NEWS01/100802028/UPDATED-2-teens-drown-in-Red-River-search-continues (http://www.shreveporttimes.com/article/20100802/NEWS01/100802028/UPDATED-2-teens-drown-in-Red-River-search-continues)

The death toll has risen to four and emergency crews are searching for two more teenagers believed to have drowned in the Red River this everning.


The six kids, between the ages of 14 and 18 from three families, had been in the water for about 10 minutes near the sandbar at the Charles and Marie Hamel Memorial Park, according to family members, who witnessed the drownings


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: d in texas on August 02, 2010, 10:51:37 PM
What is WOW?

So, Verity,

Since you are friends with at least Terri, can you give us insight as to why she might have done this?

"Also everybody has said she was obsessed with WOW..that is a lie..Kaine played more WOW than Terri did,she actually didn't play it that often..." your words there. So you have to know them to know this right?
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1141412/pg105 (http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1141412/pg105)


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Claycat on August 02, 2010, 10:53:17 PM
O/T==
http://www.shreveporttimes.com/article/20100802/NEWS01/100802028/UPDATED-2-teens-drown-in-Red-River-search-continues (http://www.shreveporttimes.com/article/20100802/NEWS01/100802028/UPDATED-2-teens-drown-in-Red-River-search-continues)

The death toll has risen to four and emergency crews are searching for two more teenagers believed to have drowned in the Red River this everning.


The six kids, between the ages of 14 and 18 from three families, had been in the water for about 10 minutes near the sandbar at the Charles and Marie Hamel Memorial Park, according to family members, who witnessed the drownings


How awful!  The were wading in a shallow area and it collapsed into the river.  None of them could swim!   ::MonkeyTears::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Claycat on August 02, 2010, 10:54:35 PM
What is WOW?

So, Verity,

Since you are friends with at least Terri, can you give us insight as to why she might have done this?

"Also everybody has said she was obsessed with WOW..that is a lie..Kaine played more WOW than Terri did,she actually didn't play it that often..." your words there. So you have to know them to know this right?
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1141412/pg105 (http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1141412/pg105)

World of Warcraft - a game


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 02, 2010, 10:56:28 PM
Looks like I'm the only one, but I think the picture of Terri with the three kids is very nice, think all four of them look good. Guess beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

Looks like that photo was taken about a year ago.  All the kids look great and Terri for the most part looks good but her eyes in that photo give me the creeps.  She scares me in that photo. 
Compared to what she looks like now  ::MonkeyEek::  Whatever happened in the months leading up to Kyron's disappearance sure took a toll on her looks.

Could it be that photos in the months following the betrayal by Kaine ... following what should have been the celebration of her first child ...  would reveal that Desiree's eyes did not shine ... did not reveal joy? 

Janet

++++++

Little Boy Lost
Report airs Monday, July 26, 10 p.m./9 C on Dateline NBC
by Kate Snow
NBC News
updated 7/26/2010 6:51:10 PM ET

 
TRANSCRIPT

DESIREE YOUNG: Unfortunately, Kaine was not faithful to me and met another woman.

KATE SNOW: That was Terri?

DESIREE YOUNG: Mm-hmm.

KATE SNOW: So all of the sudden you know that there's another woman. You're eight months pregnant.

DESIREE YOUNG: Yeah.

KATE SNOW: Must have been a low point in your life.

DESIREE YOUNG: Yeah. It was pretty hard to handle. I cried solid for two months and didn't leave the bedroom because I didn't understand why she somehow equated to something that was better than me and my son.

Kaine, however, insists that he and Desiree had broken up before he stated seeing Terri, agreeing to live separate lives under the same roof just until their baby came along.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38420266



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Claycat on August 02, 2010, 10:59:53 PM
I googled DeDe Spicher and Verity.  Verity is posting on other forums.  (Of course, I am too, LOL)

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Dede Spicher may be a scapegoat/patsy set up by the stepmother, ..... Quoting: Verity 1050570. There is NO WAY that 2 teachers could come up with $350000.00 ...
truecrimes.50.forumer.com/viewtopic.php?f=528&t=3873... - Cached
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Blink On Crime - Kyron Horman Missing and Endangered: Kaine Horman ...
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Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: grumpychick on August 02, 2010, 11:16:36 PM
What is WOW?

So, Verity,

Since you are friends with at least Terri, can you give us insight as to why she might have done this?

"Also everybody has said she was obsessed with WOW..that is a lie..Kaine played more WOW than Terri did,she actually didn't play it that often..." your words there. So you have to know them to know this right?
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1141412/pg105 (http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1141412/pg105)

World of Warcraft - a game

I've been wondering about the WoW thing since I first heard it mentioned that Terri liked to play it.
If either one of them was addicted to WoW it could take a HUGE toll on the relationship.

I know a lot of people don't think it's possible for a person to be addicted to a game & I used to be one of them, until my H completely changed after getting completely sucked into one.

He stopped interacting with the me and the kids. He'd come home from work and play WoW until he couldn't keep his eyes open anymore. Weekends/Vacation days were spent playing WoW & if any of us disturbed him he'd practically bite our heads off. He became impatient, intolerant, snide & sometimes downright mean if something took him away from it.

It nearly killed our marriage and the stress took a toll on me.  Everything with the house, yard, schools, kids, pets, you name it, became my responsibility. It was like he wasn't there at all.
It was an incredibly lonely time for me too.  The body of the man I loved was there with me but the inner person seemed to have morphed into a jerk.

We somehow managed to weather that storm, thankfully, but I will never forget how awful that time was.



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: klaasend on August 02, 2010, 11:19:01 PM
I googled DeDe Spicher and Verity.  Verity is posting on other forums.  (Of course, I am too, LOL)

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www.truecrimeinthe21stcentury.com/2010/07/18/kyron-horman-2/ - Cached

http://www.anorak.co.uk/253157/media/kyron-horman-tony-young-and-the-failed-police-plot-to-entrap-terri-horman.html

Verity says:
July 28th, 2010 at 5:29 am

it is now fact Terri was in Kyron’s life since his birth….It is now fact Terri has been with Kaine for over 8 years per Kaine’s statements on national tv…….so he is a cheater and deceptive as well as Desiree being deceptive……..hmmm I see a lifetime drama coming out of Kaine and Desiree..I see money…what a dysfunctional group..Kaine talking about Terri’s DUI in 2005?? All of the sudden Terri has been this bad evil wicked drunk who lies all the time,but Kaine left both of his kids with her every day??? and Desiree didn’t see Kyron but maybe 2 weekends out of the month,leaving Terri to be the primary care giver of Kyron?? something isn’t right here,somebody has reason beyond Kyron’s disappearance,to trash Terri,and she still hasn’t spoken……..I hope both bio parents have good lawyers,cause if Terri had nothing to do with this,they are in deep Male Enhanced Bovine Manure……..

http://blogs.wweek.com/news/2010/07/22/county-board-approves-additional-funds-for-kyron-horman-investigation/

 Verity says:
July 22, 2010 at 12:39 pm

so Terri is continuing to cooperate….Well heck I guess this will cause the She is guilty crowd to have their panties in a wad…….before the day is out this statement will be made out to mean Terri is guilty and never cooperated….

http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2010/07/07/kyron-horman-case-will-terris-lies-be-what-traps-her/

Verity said: { Jul 7, 2010 - 06:07:00 }

I believe Kaine was seeing Terri while DY was pregnant..DY did not say Terri was not around Kyron since he was 3 days old,what she said was it took 1 1/2 years for her to meet Terri….Gee you would think some people would learn the meaning of words.
If Terri was not in Kaine’s life when Kyron was born,then DY would have said “Terri did not come into our lives until Kyron was 1 1/2 years old……..don’t ya think??
DY is smart,and smart people know how to use the English language to confuse people who don’t comprehend very well……..
IMO


Definitely a friend of Terri's

Although her GLP profile says she is in Vermont


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Scatty on August 02, 2010, 11:19:36 PM
What?  DeDe was attending a landscape class, and she forgot her cell phone!  What happened to the story that she was working and left suddenly and then couldn't be reached?
this is the first I have heard of a landscaping class. I thought it was someones personal yard she was doing work on.
Might let the lady she was working for know about that one..

The person who owns the house, who was cooperating with investigators, told them she called Spicher on her cell phone but she didn't answer, the source told KGW. A person who was working with Spicher, who was also cooperating with investigators, told them of trying to unsuccessfully find Spicher. Both people have told investigators they have no idea where Spicher was during that period.
http://www.kgw.com/news/Who-is-DeDe-Spicher-99118324.html (http://www.kgw.com/news/Who-is-DeDe-Spicher-99118324.html)

Interestingly, Jonesr is saying he would go with what her friends are saying.  So, that means he doesn't really know, I guess.

He's probably thinking that DeDe's friends are parroting what DeDe told them. So his support of their version is support of DeDe. He's trying way too hard to make up for his early posts about DeDe.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Wyks on August 02, 2010, 11:20:50 PM

Ok, some questions I keep forgetting to ask about..

Does anyone have a timeline of sorts for the day that the 911 calls were made, the 26th??  Seems it was a busy busy day.  Am trying to get the order down for all that went on that day, and if possible the time frame for each.  Please help out if possible, correct as needed. 

We read it reported that LE had suggested/told Kaine to take Kiara and leave, which he did that day, supposedly early in the afternoon.  Maybe 2pm'ish, cannot remember.

Have read that Terri had an 'interview' with LE in their offices that day, perhaps that was when she was given the 3rd poly?  At any rate, it seems that while Terri was gone, that's when Kaine took Kiara and left their home. 

So when Terri got home, and no one was there, she didn't notice anything that indicated to her that Kaine and Kiara had moved out?  There was no frantic call to police at that point.  Maybe Kaine didn't actually pack anything for himself and the baby, but simply took Kiara and left?   

So Terri is at home alone, evidently not suspecting anything with Kaine/Kiara, and in the late afternoon/early evening, the attempted sting went down.  That was when she places the first of the two 911 calls that day.  We've gone over that call, and I understand it. 

What did Terri then do?  The attempted sting had gone down, 911 called, then what.. do we know?  Did she go back for 'another interview' that day with LE in their offices?  Or was it after the attempted sting that the 'interview' with LE happened? 

There was a stretch of a few hours between the first 911 call made that day, and the one made later in the evening/night.  At no point during this stretch of time did she wonder where the heck was Kaine and Kiara? 

Ok, so now it's late evening/night, and she makes the second 911 call that day, seemingly frantic, I dunno.  And from what we've read reported, this call concerned 'custody', lasted awhile, seemingly was dealt with over the phone by LE.  From what I recall.  Is that right?  Seems she realizes that Kaine and Kiara aren't coming back home.  Either she had reached Kaine by phone or LE told her, something happened.  Do we know what?   

And gosh.. did anything else happen that day?  Just trying to get all that happened on that day and when, sorted out.  Any help appreciated.   



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Lucky7 on August 02, 2010, 11:24:07 PM
What is WOW?

So, Verity,

Since you are friends with at least Terri, can you give us insight as to why she might have done this?

"Also everybody has said she was obsessed with WOW..that is a lie..Kaine played more WOW than Terri did,she actually didn't play it that often..." your words there. So you have to know them to know this right?
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1141412/pg105 (http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1141412/pg105)

World of Warcraft - a game

I've been wondering about the WoW thing since I first heard it mentioned that Terri liked to play it.
If either one of them was addicted to WoW it could take a HUGE toll on the relationship.

I know a lot of people don't think it's possible for a person to be addicted to a game & I used to be one of them, until my H completely changed after getting completely sucked into one.

He stopped interacting with the me and the kids. He'd come home from work and play WoW until he couldn't keep his eyes open anymore. Weekends/Vacation days were spent playing WoW & if any of us disturbed him he'd practically bite our heads off. He became impatient, intolerant, snide & sometimes downright mean if something took him away from it.

It nearly killed our marriage and the stress took a toll on me.  Everything with the house, yard, schools, kids, pets, you name it, became my responsibility. It was like he wasn't there at all.
It was an incredibly lonely time for me too.  The body of the man I loved was there with me but the inner person seemed to have morphed into a jerk.

We somehow managed to weather that storm, thankfully, but I will never forget how awful that time was.


I had no idea what they were talking about (WOW) until you explained this. I am so glad you guys got passed that. my brother n law is addicted to this game and I pray for him all the time as he is married and has 5 kids.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 02, 2010, 11:27:44 PM
seemeatthebeach
Scared Monkey
Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #3 7/5/10 -
« Reply #434 on: July 07, 2010, 03:19:35 AM »


Terriology
Terri Moulton Horman: Terriology
 Wednesday, June 17, 2009 at 11:08pm
Let others know a little more about yourself, re-post this as your name followed by "ology".


***********FOODOLOGY******

What is your salad dressing of choice?
Ranch - and not the fat free!

What is your favorite sit-down restaurant?
Azteca - the chips are the best

What food could you eat every day for two weeks and not get sick of?
Fajita Chicken Salad from Red Robin

What are your pizza toppings of choice?
garlic chicken, mushrooms and black olives

What do you like to put on your toast?
cream cheese


***********TECHNOLOGY****

How many televisions are in your house?
None, nada, zip, zero

What color cell phone do you have?
red

Do you have an Ipod?
Yep

***************BIOLOGY****

Are you right-handed or left-handed?
right

Have you ever had anything removed from your body?
3rd vertebrae in my neck, shoulder bone

What is the last heavy item you lifted
40# dumbbells

Have you ever been knocked unconscious?
Yep - playing basketball

************DUMBOLOGY*****

How many pairs of flip flops do you own? how many colors are there?
none

Last time you had a run-in with the cops?
I think when we were avoiding them in Israel

Last person you talked to?
Kaine

Last person you hugged?
Kiara

**************FAVORITOLOGY

Season?
Spring

Holiday?
Thanksgiving for family get togethers and St. Patrick's Day so I can cook green things....especially cupcakes!

Day of the week?
Saturday

Month?
July

***********CURRENTOLOGY***

Missing someone?
always

Mood?
Good considering Kiara has 4 teeth coming in at once - ugh

What are you listening to?
fussy baby playing

Watching?
Paul Blart: Mall Cop on computer monitor - Kevin James rocks

Worrying about?
Getting a teaching job

***************RANDOMOLOGY

First place you went this morning?
Kitchen to make a bottle

What's the last movie you saw?
UP - good flick

Do you smile often?
I sure try to!

Sleeping Alone Tonight?
Probably 3 across the bed since Kiara is teething

***************OTHER-OLOGY

1) Do you always answer your phone?
yes, unless I can't hear it

2) It's four in the morning and you get a text message, who is it?
James if he's up or Shannon in Williamsburg, VA

3) If you could change your eye color what would it be?
violet - they are blue

3b) If you could change your hair color, what color would you change it to?
Black - I had a wig at Halloween and it looked pretty good - I didn't recognize myself.

4) What flavor do you add to your drink at Sonic?
Diet Cherry Limeaid

5) Do you own a digital camera?
yes

6) Have you ever had a pet fish?
yes

7) Favorite Christmas song(s)?
Silver Bells, White Christmas (Bing Crosby)

 What's on your wish list for your birthday?
The next one will be my 40th so hoping for a motorcycle

9) Can you do a chin up?
Maybe 2

10) Can you do pushups?
Easily

11) Does the future make you more nervous or excited?
both

12) Do you have any saved texts?
yes

13) Ever been in a car wreck?
yes - 1 this year, significant one in 1998 and in a truck roll in 1989

14) Do you have an accent?
Someone asked me if I was from the midwest once....what the heck?

15) What is the last song to make you cry
Nickleback video

16) Plans tonight
Working on Farm Town and playing a little World Of Warcraft....such the geek


17) Have you ever felt like you hit rock bottom?
Yes, July 13, 2005. Back on top again.

18) Name 3 things you bought yesterday?
Baby food, hair conditioner at Tres Bon, ground turkey

19) Have you ever been given roses?
Yep - 3 dozen for Mother's Day even

20) Current worry?
Doctor appt on Friday

21) Current hate right now?
That would be my ass...lol

22) Met someone who changed your life?
Yep

23) How did you bring in the New Year?
At our friends Randy and Wendy's house (They own Tres Bon Salon)

24) What song represents you?
Someone told me once: "Legs" by ZZ Top

25) Name 5 people you think will most likely answer this?
Stephanie, Julie, Geoff, Tina, Kammi..there are a few more. I'm always interested in what people have to say.

26) Would you go back in time if you were given the chance?
Absolutely

27) Have you ever dated someone longer than a year?
All my bf's were more than a year

28) Do you have any tattoos/piercings?
Just the ears - once - my mom even has 2 in each ear. She's more hip than I am.

29) Will you be in a relationship 4 months from now?
I would hope so

30) Does anyone love you?
yep

31) Would you be a pirate?
Only if I could look as good as Kiera Knightley

32) What songs do you sing in the shower?
Children's songs to keep Kiara happy.

33) Ever had someone sing to you?
I sure have

34) When did you last cry?
Yesterday

36) Do you like to cuddle?
At certain times - especially when I am afraid

37) Have you held hands with anyone today?
if patty cake counts, then yes.

38) Who was the last person you took a picture of?
Tina Merry and Kiara by the 'stang.

39) What kind of music did you listen to in elementary school?
Journey, Hall and Oats

40) Do you believe in staying close with your ex's/prospects?
no

41) Are most of the friends in your life new or old?
Both

42) Do you like pulpy orange juice?
Country style is the best

43) What is something your friends make fun of you for?
I'm very clutsy so yes.

44) If it were possible, would you want to know the day you were going to die?
Yes so I could make sure everyone else had what they needed from me.

45) If you could change your name, what would you change it to?
Tess

http://www.facebook.com/notes/terri-moulton-horman/terriology/122983056048

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8202.msg1178615#msg1178615


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Wyks on August 02, 2010, 11:31:10 PM
Looks like I'm the only one, but I think the picture of Terri with the three kids is very nice, think all four of them look good. Guess beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

I hear ya Rosie, it is in the eye of the beholder, and all that.  If it were me running a board in support of someone, am thinking I'd pick the best pic of that person I could find.  This one of Terri shows more of her beauty, I would think.  (Not that I like the fact the fact they took Kyron's pic off of there tho).  And not saying you or anyone else in here does either.   ::MonkeyKiss::


(http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq117/Wyks_/Kyron/Terri6.jpg)



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 02, 2010, 11:32:55 PM
I believe if Terri had an addiction to the War of Warcraft ... Kaine would have revealed this problem in his interviews.  Terri was not spared in regard to her mood swings ... irrational behavior ...

Janet


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: d in texas on August 02, 2010, 11:33:08 PM
Have any of you read the forum with DeDe's cousin?  Don't think I would want to participate but will say this they make me laugh, and laugh good for the soul anyway.....
However I come home couldn't take that on a daily basis....


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Lucky7 on August 02, 2010, 11:34:57 PM
Tamikosmom  thanks for posting that terriology that was some good info. it helped me figure out a few things on who she may be posting on some sites. :)


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Wyks on August 02, 2010, 11:35:29 PM
Monkeys, there is someone named Verity posting at GLP.  She posted that there were three 911 calls instead of two.  She has very detailed info.  Another posting is accusing her of being Terri or a friend of Terri.  This is very interesting.

"There was a tour of the science projects after 9 am on June 4th..The schedule was parents tour before the start of class on the 4th, then between 9 and 10 the students were to split up into groups of 5 and 6 and do the tour....the school site said so, before it was updated for the summer schedule.. The 911 calls were because the sting for the murder for hire was a failure, Terri called 911 because 2 guys showed up at her house when she got back from the police station,and those 2 guys were trying to extort $10,000 from her as payment for the MFH. Kinda like if you don't pay me I am going to the police....So if the MFH was true why would she call the police, the second call to 911 was because she was panicking,and wanted to make sure the police were rushing to her house...The third call was because she realized( probably after trying to call Kaine) Kaine was not coming home with the baby and she wanted to find out what her legal rights were since there was no custody court order...
 Quoting: Verity


Just thought I would get this one on record too. In the beginning you cite information about the science fair and said your source. However the stuff in bold, well that wasn't cited was it? So is this fact?
 Quoting: soonergirl


Good catch, Soonergirl! I had heard on a news report that there were two 911 calls, and I asked why they were made. Verity seems to KNOW there were three 911 calls made and exactly WHY they were made (in detail).

Verity seems to have first-hand info."

LOL!!!  Weird that I was sitting here thinking about those calls and this person is over there posting about em.  Am so far behind in reading over there it isn't even funny.  Ah well. 

Off hand, do you know which page Verity posted that on? 


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: grumpychick on August 02, 2010, 11:36:09 PM
What is WOW?

So, Verity,

Since you are friends with at least Terri, can you give us insight as to why she might have done this?

"Also everybody has said she was obsessed with WOW..that is a lie..Kaine played more WOW than Terri did,she actually didn't play it that often..." your words there. So you have to know them to know this right?
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1141412/pg105 (http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1141412/pg105)

World of Warcraft - a game

I've been wondering about the WoW thing since I first heard it mentioned that Terri liked to play it.
If either one of them was addicted to WoW it could take a HUGE toll on the relationship.

I know a lot of people don't think it's possible for a person to be addicted to a game & I used to be one of them, until my H completely changed after getting completely sucked into one.

He stopped interacting with the me and the kids. He'd come home from work and play WoW until he couldn't keep his eyes open anymore. Weekends/Vacation days were spent playing WoW & if any of us disturbed him he'd practically bite our heads off. He became impatient, intolerant, snide & sometimes downright mean if something took him away from it.

It nearly killed our marriage and the stress took a toll on me.  Everything with the house, yard, schools, kids, pets, you name it, became my responsibility. It was like he wasn't there at all.
It was an incredibly lonely time for me too.  The body of the man I loved was there with me but the inner person seemed to have morphed into a jerk.

We somehow managed to weather that storm, thankfully, but I will never forget how awful that time was.


I had no idea what they were talking about (WOW) until you explained this. I am so glad you guys got passed that. my brother n law is addicted to this game and I pray for him all the time as he is married and has 5 kids.

I'm so sorry to hear that, I will pray for him too.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Wyks on August 02, 2010, 11:36:29 PM
I'm sorry.  I should have included this link.

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1141412/pg105

LOL.. thanks.  not reading ahead again.  <smacks hands>



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: d in texas on August 02, 2010, 11:39:27 PM
I googled DeDe Spicher and Verity.  Verity is posting on other forums.  (Of course, I am too, LOL)

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Dede Spicher may be a scapegoat/patsy set up by the stepmother, ..... Quoting: Verity 1050570. There is NO WAY that 2 teachers could come up with $350000.00 ...
truecrimes.50.forumer.com/viewtopic.php?f=528&t=3873... - Cached
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Blink On Crime - Kyron Horman Missing and Endangered: Kaine Horman ...
Jun 29, 2010 ... Dede Spicher · Desiree Young · Kaine Horman · Kristian Horman · Michael Cook · Pumala .... (per Harry Oakes on Nancy Grace.) Verity says: ...
blinkoncrime.com/.../kyron-horman-missing-and-endangered-kaine-horman-files-for-restraining-order-and-divorce-from-terri-horman/ - Cached
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Is Kyron Horman being held for ransom. | True Crime in the 21st ...
Jul 18, 2010... Anita Kessee with KATU.com interviews connection with DeDe Spicher -Rosemont Farms .... Verity says: July 18, 2010 at 1:11 pm ...
www.truecrimeinthe21stcentury.com/2010/07/18/kyron-horman-2/ - Cached

On my website? really brb going to look at the registration .....


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: marycat on August 02, 2010, 11:39:32 PM
Has anyone seen this post?....

Snipped..

What do you mean Kyron just got off the phone?

Posted on Kaine Horman challenges those with information to come forward in Kyron Horman case on July 31, 2010, 8:44PM

**********************************************************************************************************************************************
I screwed up using the quote feature. Sorry.
Marycat

I went back into my history and here are the posts from lentsres who asked the question quoted above. The reference is bolded by me. I thought she was responding to 42, but I can't find it in my history. IMO she is joking and making these things up like the phone call, Kaine's boyfriend planting purple loosestrife, etc.

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@ SoCal
I don't control nor am I responsible for how you feel. I am not using profanity, threats of violence or emotional abuse. You are reacting strongly to fairly mild jokes I am making.
Why do I have to keep explaining this to you?
Please do not take me seriously. This comment section has neither the ability nor the responsibility to find or rescue Kyron. Thinking we can is majical thinking. Relax if you are able.
I wish you no harm SoCal. I am on this comment section to learn interact and have fun. If I were to see some way we might actually find Kyron I would become very serious and possible come across as a little judgemental, but until then I will take these comment sections lightly.
Posted on Kaine Horman challenges those with information to come forward in Kyron Horman case on August 01, 2010, 6:58PM

She was exposed to Black mold on vacation. Though that might have been in her own house if her vacation budget is the size of mine this year.
Posted on Kaine Horman challenges those with information to come forward in Kyron Horman case on August 01, 2010, 6:50PM

I missed it would you two please start over?
Posted on Kaine Horman challenges those with information to come forward in Kyron Horman case on August 01, 2010, 6:47PM

Yeah like there's only one or two cook's in Portland.
Posted on Kaine Horman challenges those with information to come forward in Kyron Horman case on August 01, 2010, 6:45PM

@42
I think some of the wetlands around Seattle might be better. You could visit them more often.
I Kaine's boyfriend planting Purple lose strife in a nearby wetland. When I confronted him he said you instructed him to do it.
Posted on Kaine Horman challenges those with information to come forward in Kyron Horman case on August 01, 2010, 6:41PM

@ Socal
I thought it was humorous. I mean no ill will. I really thought it came off as harmless joking. I am sorry it's not very original.
Why did you think it was offensive?
Posted on Kaine Horman challenges those with information to come forward in Kyron Horman case on August 01, 2010, 6:30PM

Friggin purple loosestrife
Posted on Kaine Horman challenges those with information to come forward in Kyron Horman case on August 01, 2010, 6:27PM

@42
There is a wet lands nearby and I saw Kaines' boyfriend planting purple loosestrife. I immediately confronted him and he said he was following instructions from you 42!
Posted on Kaine Horman challenges those with information to come forward in Kyron Horman case on August 01, 2010, 6:20PM

Terri maybe grieving about losing her daughter, marriage, home, security, Kaine's income or public image. She isn't grieving the loss of Kyron because she has a ready action for that. Talk with investigators about her actions June 4th if she is truly concerned about Kyron. She should be asking all her friends to help remember her time and place that morning. Anything helps.
Instead of working to solve the "mystery of Kyron's disappearance"she has crepeatedly complained about having to answer questions and then totally refused to talk with investigators. Terri is not grieving for Kyron, Terri is grieving about the consequences of not being honest with investigators.
Posted on Kaine Horman challenges those with information to come forward in Kyron Horman case on August 01, 2010, 6:12PM

Hi SoCal and Alex
I didn't think I was attacking I was just asking.
just saying

My head didn't throw in the comma.
Posted on Kaine Horman challenges those with information to come forward in Kyron Horman case on July 31, 2010, 9:02PM

What do you mean Kyron just got off the phone?
Posted on Kaine Horman challenges those with information to come forward in Kyron Horman case on July 31, 2010, 8:44PM




Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: grumpychick on August 02, 2010, 11:40:50 PM
I believe if Terri had an addiction to the War of Warcraft ... Kaine would have revealed this problem in his interviews.  Terri was not spared in regard to her mood swings ... irrational behavior ...

Janet


You're probably right but would it come up if he were the one with the problem?
Lemme tell ya, I had some uncharitable thoughts toward my husband when WoW was his world.
I often fantasized about bashing in his monitor with a baseball bat just to get his attention.
There was a whole lotta hurt and anger on my part but I never acted on it because I don't have that in me.
Unless you count the time I bought suction cup darts and shot them at the monitor while he was playing...


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Wyks on August 02, 2010, 11:41:19 PM
O/T==
http://www.shreveporttimes.com/article/20100802/NEWS01/100802028/UPDATED-2-teens-drown-in-Red-River-search-continues (http://www.shreveporttimes.com/article/20100802/NEWS01/100802028/UPDATED-2-teens-drown-in-Red-River-search-continues)

The death toll has risen to four and emergency crews are searching for two more teenagers believed to have drowned in the Red River this everning.


The six kids, between the ages of 14 and 18 from three families, had been in the water for about 10 minutes near the sandbar at the Charles and Marie Hamel Memorial Park, according to family members, who witnessed the drownings


OMG how can six teens drown, while family members witness?  I can see one, even two, but SIX????????    ::MonkeyNoNo::



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 02, 2010, 11:42:09 PM
Looks like I'm the only one, but I think the picture of Terri with the three kids is very nice, think all four of them look good. Guess beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

I hear ya Rosie, it is in the eye of the beholder, and all that.  If it were me running a board in support of someone, am thinking I'd pick the best pic of that person I could find.  This one of Terri shows more of her beauty, I would think.  (Not that I like the fact the fact they took Kyron's pic off of there tho).  And not saying you or anyone else in here does either.   ::MonkeyKiss::


(http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq117/Wyks_/Kyron/Terri6.jpg)



Wyks

That is a lovely picture of Terri.  Is it dated?

Terri is the same age as my daughter but in most pictures since the birth of Kiara she looks much older.

Janet


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Scatty on August 02, 2010, 11:42:11 PM
Looks like I'm the only one, but I think the picture of Terri with the three kids is very nice, think all four of them look good. Guess beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

I hear ya Rosie, it is in the eye of the beholder, and all that.  If it were me running a board in support of someone, am thinking I'd pick the best pic of that person I could find.  This one of Terri shows more of her beauty, I would think.  (Not that I like the fact the fact they took Kyron's pic off of there tho).  And not saying you or anyone else in here does either.   ::MonkeyKiss::


(http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq117/Wyks_/Kyron/Terri6.jpg)


You're right. She does look quite nice and normal in this one. So maybe my opinion about the last pic (I thought she looked rather evil) wasn't colored by dislike after all.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: d in texas on August 02, 2010, 11:48:00 PM
Who can do an IP check deal?  Who wants to do one?


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Lucky7 on August 02, 2010, 11:48:13 PM
Thank you grumpychick thats very sweet of you!


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Lucky7 on August 02, 2010, 11:49:01 PM
Who can do an IP check deal?  Who wants to do one?
send it to me I can get someone to check it for you


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Claycat on August 02, 2010, 11:50:08 PM
Snipped from Tamikosmom's post:  Shannon in Williamsburg, VA  Could this be the person who posted as HopeinVA? 


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Wyks on August 02, 2010, 11:51:28 PM
What is WOW?

So, Verity,

Since you are friends with at least Terri, can you give us insight as to why she might have done this?

"Also everybody has said she was obsessed with WOW..that is a lie..Kaine played more WOW than Terri did,she actually didn't play it that often..." your words there. So you have to know them to know this right?
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1141412/pg105 (http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1141412/pg105)

World of Warcraft - a game

A very addictive game, online.  A person serious about this game (and others like it, such as EverQuest), can immerse themselves so much into the gameplaying that they *can* lose much if not all reality of their own lives around them.  Like ... housework, or a pet dog who needs to go outside and go potty, a child who needs lunch/nap/or to get picked up after school, a husband who wants dinner, a wife who wants to spend some time with hubby.  The one immersed in this game just can lose touch with all that, very very easily.  And it can even get worse than that.  Job loss, divorce, etc. etc.  Personal experience with three young adult sons.  Two of whom I've had to practically throw myself in front of the comp and say ENOUGH! 

Ahem.. collects my dignity again.  <grins>  not a great way to spend one's time online, *if* one has an 'addictive personality'.  IMO. 



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 02, 2010, 11:51:40 PM
I believe if Terri had an addiction to the War of Warcraft ... Kaine would have revealed this problem in his interviews.  Terri was not spared in regard to her mood swings ... irrational behavior ...

Janet


You're probably right but would it come up if he were the one with the problem?
Lemme tell ya, I had some uncharitable thoughts toward my husband when WoW was his world.
I often fantasized about bashing in his monitor with a baseball bat just to get his attention.
There was a whole lotta hurt and anger on my part but I never acted on it because I don't have that in me.
Unless you count the time I bought suction cup darts and shot them at the monitor while he was playing...

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

grumpychick

I know the situation was not funny but ... you are a hoot.

Seriously ... I am thankful you shared ... you have provided me with personal food for thought.

I am not sure in regards to War of Warcraft but ... I suspect there are some relevent skeletons in regards to Kaine that will emerge in time.

Thanks again.

 ::MonkeyAngel::

Janet



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Itaryl Moosee on August 02, 2010, 11:51:47 PM
Kiara in that picture looks like she's around 1 year old.

At that point Terri still coyly smiled, she had good skin tone on her face, she looked trim and her hair was beautifully fiery.

Though her eyes look saddened, she looks great.

So, what happened?

This sending James to live with granpa and the murder for hire six months before may have been turning points.

All of a sudden she looks heavy, and old - in about six/seven months.

MOO... New brides/grooms go into marriage with dreams and expectations of happiness which most times don't get realized. It takes a few years for those brides/grooms to realize that their dreams of Utopian marriage bliss were just fantasies, and that married life requires effort and most times those efforts are not rewarded... so that life becomes a day to day struggle just to get trough each single day.

Many can adjust and live with it, many divorce, some live through it but are always unhappy.

Maybe Terri was unhappy and she dreamed of a better living, or more freedom than she had after the baby was born. Maybe she felt unappreciated by her husband, and then divorce was being discussed, along with custody, etc...

All the prospects of finding herself without her daughter, without a home and financial backing may have been a trigger to both, her physical appearance and her murder for hire attempts.

As to how this relates to Kyron, maybe the pressure put on him under the circumstances was getting to him during the last few months before his disappearance, maybe the reason why he whined every time he had to return to his dad and step-mom's?

He knew something bad was brewing, and he didn't like it.

My new question on this is discipline. Who administered it at the Horman's household? How often? How harsh?






Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Wyks on August 02, 2010, 11:55:12 PM
Looks like I'm the only one, but I think the picture of Terri with the three kids is very nice, think all four of them look good. Guess beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

Looks like that photo was taken about a year ago.  All the kids look great and Terri for the most part looks good but her eyes in that photo give me the creeps.  She scares me in that photo. 
Compared to what she looks like now  ::MonkeyEek::  Whatever happened in the months leading up to Kyron's disappearance sure took a toll on her looks.

Could it be that photos in the months following the betrayal by Kaine ... following what should have been the celebration of her first child ...  would reveal that Desiree's eyes did not shine ... did not reveal joy? 

Janet

The fact that her eyes did not shine like they used to, is quite true.  Especially since Dec 2009.  The reason/s for that is what we don't know and wonder about. 


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: grumpychick on August 03, 2010, 12:01:18 AM
I believe if Terri had an addiction to the War of Warcraft ... Kaine would have revealed this problem in his interviews.  Terri was not spared in regard to her mood swings ... irrational behavior ...

Janet


You're probably right but would it come up if he were the one with the problem?
Lemme tell ya, I had some uncharitable thoughts toward my husband when WoW was his world.
I often fantasized about bashing in his monitor with a baseball bat just to get his attention.
There was a whole lotta hurt and anger on my part but I never acted on it because I don't have that in me.
Unless you count the time I bought suction cup darts and shot them at the monitor while he was playing...

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

grumpychick

I know the situation was not funny but ... you are a hoot.

Seriously ... I am thankful you shared ... you have provided me with personal food for thought.

I am not sure in regards to War of Warcraft but ... I suspect there are some relevent skeletons in regards to Kaine that will emerge in time.

Thanks again.

 ::MonkeyAngel::

Janet



Thank YOU Janet!

I have no reason to believe that Kaine did/does have a problem with WoW but when I heard it mentioned it made me remember that period of time in my life and wonder if it played any part in this situation.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Wyks on August 03, 2010, 12:05:17 AM

I've been wondering about the WoW thing since I first heard it mentioned that Terri liked to play it.
If either one of them was addicted to WoW it could take a HUGE toll on the relationship.

I know a lot of people don't think it's possible for a person to be addicted to a game & I used to be one of them, until my H completely changed after getting completely sucked into one.

He stopped interacting with the me and the kids. He'd come home from work and play WoW until he couldn't keep his eyes open anymore. Weekends/Vacation days were spent playing WoW & if any of us disturbed him he'd practically bite our heads off. He became impatient, intolerant, snide & sometimes downright mean if something took him away from it.

It nearly killed our marriage and the stress took a toll on me.  Everything with the house, yard, schools, kids, pets, you name it, became my responsibility. It was like he wasn't there at all.
It was an incredibly lonely time for me too.  The body of the man I loved was there with me but the inner person seemed to have morphed into a jerk.

We somehow managed to weather that storm, thankfully, but I will never forget how awful that time was.


EXACTLY, grumpy!!!!!!!  And I'm sooooo very sorry this happened with you.  I so hear you, sooooo understand every word.  Unfortunately, all soooooo very true.  So many with experiences just like yours.  Thank goodness you and family made it thru that horrid time.  < hugs > 

I've wondered too, if perhaps Kaine was playing this game, to the detriment of family around him.  Sure could explain, for example, how/why Terri would (if she did) be able to drink herself to sleep every night and Kaine not noticing that.  Someone immersed in the game wouldn't notice if a bomb exploded next to their chair.  It's THAT bad, as to how much a person gets IN the game with life around them ceasing to exist.  Sigh. 

Could be there's our answer as to the changes in Terri, since Dec 2009.  Would love to be find out if Kaine had been playing WOW, when started, what level he might be, etc.  Sure would explain a LOT about their family dynamics. 

Would it justify disappearing Kyron?  Of course not. 


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 03, 2010, 12:09:53 AM

I've been wondering about the WoW thing since I first heard it mentioned that Terri liked to play it.
If either one of them was addicted to WoW it could take a HUGE toll on the relationship.

I know a lot of people don't think it's possible for a person to be addicted to a game & I used to be one of them, until my H completely changed after getting completely sucked into one.

He stopped interacting with the me and the kids. He'd come home from work and play WoW until he couldn't keep his eyes open anymore. Weekends/Vacation days were spent playing WoW & if any of us disturbed him he'd practically bite our heads off. He became impatient, intolerant, snide & sometimes downright mean if something took him away from it.

It nearly killed our marriage and the stress took a toll on me.  Everything with the house, yard, schools, kids, pets, you name it, became my responsibility. It was like he wasn't there at all.
It was an incredibly lonely time for me too.  The body of the man I loved was there with me but the inner person seemed to have morphed into a jerk.

We somehow managed to weather that storm, thankfully, but I will never forget how awful that time was.


EXACTLY, grumpy!!!!!!!  And I'm sooooo very sorry this happened with you.  I so hear you, sooooo understand every word.  Unfortunately, all soooooo very true.  So many with experiences just like yours.  Thank goodness you and family made it thru that horrid time.  < hugs > 

I've wondered too, if perhaps Kaine was playing this game, to the detriment of family around him.  Sure could explain, for example, how/why Terri would (if she did) be able to drink herself to sleep every night and Kaine not noticing that.  Someone immersed in the game wouldn't notice if a bomb exploded next to their chair.  It's THAT bad, as to how much a person gets IN the game with life around them ceasing to exist.  Sigh. 

Could be there's our answer as to the changes in Terri, since Dec 2009.  Would love to be find out if Kaine had been playing WOW, when started, what level he might be, etc.  Sure would explain a LOT about their family dynamics. 

Would it justify disappearing Kyron?  Of course not.  


BOTTOM LINE

Good Night Monkeys

Janet
9:10 PM PT


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: grumpychick on August 03, 2010, 12:14:09 AM

I've been wondering about the WoW thing since I first heard it mentioned that Terri liked to play it.
If either one of them was addicted to WoW it could take a HUGE toll on the relationship.

I know a lot of people don't think it's possible for a person to be addicted to a game & I used to be one of them, until my H completely changed after getting completely sucked into one.

He stopped interacting with the me and the kids. He'd come home from work and play WoW until he couldn't keep his eyes open anymore. Weekends/Vacation days were spent playing WoW & if any of us disturbed him he'd practically bite our heads off. He became impatient, intolerant, snide & sometimes downright mean if something took him away from it.

It nearly killed our marriage and the stress took a toll on me.  Everything with the house, yard, schools, kids, pets, you name it, became my responsibility. It was like he wasn't there at all.
It was an incredibly lonely time for me too.  The body of the man I loved was there with me but the inner person seemed to have morphed into a jerk.

We somehow managed to weather that storm, thankfully, but I will never forget how awful that time was.


EXACTLY, grumpy!!!!!!!  And I'm sooooo very sorry this happened with you.  I so hear you, sooooo understand every word.  Unfortunately, all soooooo very true.  So many with experiences just like yours.  Thank goodness you and family made it thru that horrid time.  < hugs > 

I've wondered too, if perhaps Kaine was playing this game, to the detriment of family around him.  Sure could explain, for example, how/why Terri would (if she did) be able to drink herself to sleep every night and Kaine not noticing that.  Someone immersed in the game wouldn't notice if a bomb exploded next to their chair.  It's THAT bad, as to how much a person gets IN the game with life around them ceasing to exist.  Sigh. 

Could be there's our answer as to the changes in Terri, since Dec 2009.  Would love to be find out if Kaine had been playing WOW, when started, what level he might be, etc.  Sure would explain a LOT about their family dynamics. 

Would it justify disappearing Kyron?  Of course not. 


Wyks, I'm sorry you had to experience a similar situation with your sons.

It isn't too far a stretch for me to imagine a frustrated (and unstable) wife doing something like this to get her WoW-addicted spouse to "snap out of it".
But it would NEVER justify or excuse harming a child.
NEVER EVER.



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Wyks on August 03, 2010, 12:15:13 AM

Remember 'Baby Grace'??  The sweet, precious 2 year old?  Beat to death by her mother and step-father, who met online playing WOW.   During that case, I wrote back n forth with the baby's maternal grandma for a time.  Who told me that she had learned that time after time after time after time, the baby would stand next to mama's chair, crying, wanting some attention, needing mama.  Mama was too busy trying to make her next level in the game, etc.  Rarely if ever even realized that baby was standing next to her crying.  Sigh.  And it gets worse, in them trying to get her to "shut up" so it wouldn't disturb their game-playing.  And the "discipline" that followed and etc.  Poor lil thing. 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Riley_Ann_Sawyers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Riley_Ann_Sawyers)



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Lucky7 on August 03, 2010, 12:20:08 AM

Remember 'Baby Grace'??  The sweet, precious 2 year old?  Beat to death by her mother and step-father, who met online playing WOW.   During that case, I wrote back n forth with the baby's maternal grandma for a time.  Who told me that she had learned that time after time after time after time, the baby would stand next to mama's chair, crying, wanting some attention, needing mama.  Mama was too busy trying to make her next level in the game, etc.  Rarely if ever even realized that baby was standing next to her crying.  Sigh.  And it gets worse, in them trying to get her to "shut up" so it wouldn't disturb their game-playing.  And the "discipline" that followed and etc.  Poor lil thing. 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Riley_Ann_Sawyers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Riley_Ann_Sawyers)


That just breaks my heart


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: d in texas on August 03, 2010, 12:21:34 AM

Remember 'Baby Grace'??  The sweet, precious 2 year old?  Beat to death by her mother and step-father, who met online playing WOW.   During that case, I wrote back n forth with the baby's maternal grandma for a time.  Who told me that she had learned that time after time after time after time, the baby would stand next to mama's chair, crying, wanting some attention, needing mama.  Mama was too busy trying to make her next level in the game, etc.  Rarely if ever even realized that baby was standing next to her crying.  Sigh.  And it gets worse, in them trying to get her to "shut up" so it wouldn't disturb their game-playing.  And the "discipline" that followed and etc.  Poor lil thing. 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Riley_Ann_Sawyers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Riley_Ann_Sawyers)


OMG is this like a free game or do you pay?  I can't believe it takes over someone, kind of like my nephew and his wii game boy etc games drives my dad CRAZY@@


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: grumpychick on August 03, 2010, 12:22:28 AM

Remember 'Baby Grace'??  The sweet, precious 2 year old?  Beat to death by her mother and step-father, who met online playing WOW.   During that case, I wrote back n forth with the baby's maternal grandma for a time.  Who told me that she had learned that time after time after time after time, the baby would stand next to mama's chair, crying, wanting some attention, needing mama.  Mama was too busy trying to make her next level in the game, etc.  Rarely if ever even realized that baby was standing next to her crying.  Sigh.  And it gets worse, in them trying to get her to "shut up" so it wouldn't disturb their game-playing.  And the "discipline" that followed and etc.  Poor lil thing. 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Riley_Ann_Sawyers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Riley_Ann_Sawyers)



Utterly heartbreaking.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Wyks on August 03, 2010, 12:25:05 AM
I believe if Terri had an addiction to the War of Warcraft ... Kaine would have revealed this problem in his interviews.  Terri was not spared in regard to her mood swings ... irrational behavior ...

Janet

Sometimes it seems that wives/girlfriends join in playing WOW with their hubbys/boyfriends just to keep the peace, find a way to still be spending time with their loved one.  Often finding out that doesn't work so well.  Sometimes it does tho.  Terri may have played the game a bit, it doesn't grab everyone in the same addictive way.  IF Kaine played the game, IF he were addicted to it, do ya think he'd admit that?   ::MonkeyNoNo::



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: grumpychick on August 03, 2010, 12:25:28 AM

Remember 'Baby Grace'??  The sweet, precious 2 year old?  Beat to death by her mother and step-father, who met online playing WOW.   During that case, I wrote back n forth with the baby's maternal grandma for a time.  Who told me that she had learned that time after time after time after time, the baby would stand next to mama's chair, crying, wanting some attention, needing mama.  Mama was too busy trying to make her next level in the game, etc.  Rarely if ever even realized that baby was standing next to her crying.  Sigh.  And it gets worse, in them trying to get her to "shut up" so it wouldn't disturb their game-playing.  And the "discipline" that followed and etc.  Poor lil thing. 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Riley_Ann_Sawyers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Riley_Ann_Sawyers)


OMG is this like a free game or do you pay?  I can't believe it takes over someone, kind of like my nephew and his wii game boy etc games drives my dad CRAZY@@


I think (it's been awhile for me) you buy the game and then if you want to play online with other players you pay about $15/month.
It might have changed since my H played.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: d in texas on August 03, 2010, 12:27:58 AM
From June 4th I have thought to know why or what might of started this behavior you had to know what was going on the house, something made her change from summer of last year to the end of the year and escalate to now.  Although may never know the why just events, as their is no excuse for the WHY, if guilty she had no right to take Kyron.

I have wondered if Desiree was also wanting full custody and that had TH worried that KH would lose interest in "the family", but then didn't buy that thought. 

It was something in the family dynamic, that may not of even been anyone else doing anything. I hope that they are all giving full disclosure to LE.

And I pray the Kyron is stashed somewhere, but fear that is not going to be the case.

Also O/T rumor is the custodial mother of baby Sylar has been arrested.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: grumpychick on August 03, 2010, 12:30:51 AM
I believe if Terri had an addiction to the War of Warcraft ... Kaine would have revealed this problem in his interviews.  Terri was not spared in regard to her mood swings ... irrational behavior ...

Janet

Sometimes it seems that wives/girlfriends join in playing WOW with their hubbys/boyfriends just to keep the peace, find a way to still be spending time with their loved one.  Often finding out that doesn't work so well.  Sometimes it does tho.  Terri may have played the game a bit, it doesn't grab everyone in the same addictive way.  IF Kaine played the game, IF he were addicted to it, do ya think he'd admit that?   ::MonkeyNoNo::



We knew a couple who both played, it was something the wife took up to spend time with her husband.
They didn't spend hours every day doing it, it wasn't their world, it was just something they did together like some couples play cards.

My H has an addictive personality and, once he started, that was it.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Wyks on August 03, 2010, 12:31:18 AM
Have any of you read the forum with DeDe's cousin?  Don't think I would want to participate but will say this they make me laugh, and laugh good for the soul anyway.....
However I come home couldn't take that on a daily basis....

Yeah, I hear D in texas.  It started out well intentioned, I think.  A man participating in a forum that he has been with for some time, feels he has supportive friends in there, etc.  Finds himself with a family member who has just been implicated in a high profile case.  Goes running to who he feels are supportive friends, makes a thread, likely not expecting the fallout that has happened.  You'll see some other GLP members come in there and suggest this thread has lost its usefulness etc.  And it has, IMO.  Didn't start out that way tho.  I feel badly for him.  And yet, he doesn't have to continue with it, the thread can be locked up and them move on back to other things within the forum.  None of which has to do with missing children perse. 




Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Wyks on August 03, 2010, 12:33:45 AM

I had no idea what they were talking about (WOW) until you explained this. I am so glad you guys got passed that. my brother n law is addicted to this game and I pray for him all the time as he is married and has 5 kids.

I'm so sorry to hear that, I will pray for him too.

Prayers for your family from me as well, Lucky7. 


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Wyks on August 03, 2010, 12:36:42 AM

You're probably right but would it come up if he were the one with the problem?
Lemme tell ya, I had some uncharitable thoughts toward my husband when WoW was his world.
I often fantasized about bashing in his monitor with a baseball bat just to get his attention.
There was a whole lotta hurt and anger on my part but I never acted on it because I don't have that in me.
Unless you count the time I bought suction cup darts and shot them at the monitor while he was playing...

 ::MonkeyHaHa::   ::MonkeyEek::

I'm so sorry for laffing, cuz it isn't a funny situation.. I can just visualize the darts hitting the monitor.  <stifles giggles> 


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: grumpychick on August 03, 2010, 12:38:38 AM
From June 4th I have thought to know why or what might of started this behavior you had to know what was going on the house, something made her change from summer of last year to the end of the year and escalate to now.  Although may never know the why just events, as their is no excuse for the WHY, if guilty she had no right to take Kyron.

I have wondered if Desiree was also wanting full custody and that had TH worried that KH would lose interest in "the family", but then didn't buy that thought. 

It was something in the family dynamic, that may not of even been anyone else doing anything. I hope that they are all giving full disclosure to LE.

And I pray the Kyron is stashed somewhere, but fear that is not going to be the case.

Also O/T rumor is the custodial mother of baby Sylar has been arrested.

I know I'm trying to figure out WHAT HAPPENED.
It's almost impossible to grasp that someone seemingly so devoted to family and children could make a child she'd cared for, for years, disappear.

Whatever happened, I hope and pray every day that Kyron will be found, safe & well.
And that sweet-faced beautiful little Kiara will be kept safe & surrounded by love.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: grumpychick on August 03, 2010, 12:41:33 AM

You're probably right but would it come up if he were the one with the problem?
Lemme tell ya, I had some uncharitable thoughts toward my husband when WoW was his world.
I often fantasized about bashing in his monitor with a baseball bat just to get his attention.
There was a whole lotta hurt and anger on my part but I never acted on it because I don't have that in me.
Unless you count the time I bought suction cup darts and shot them at the monitor while he was playing...

 ::MonkeyHaHa::   ::MonkeyEek::

I'm so sorry for laffing, cuz it isn't a funny situation.. I can just visualize the darts hitting the monitor.  <stifles giggles> 



My aim was terrible so not nearly as many as I'd hoped actually hit the darn thing.
 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Lucky7 on August 03, 2010, 12:42:21 AM

I had no idea what they were talking about (WOW) until you explained this. I am so glad you guys got passed that. my brother n law is addicted to this game and I pray for him all the time as he is married and has 5 kids.

I'm so sorry to hear that, I will pray for him too.


Prayers for your family from me as well, Lucky7. 

Thank you. My brother n Law Chris Loves the Lord.he has been through alot got depressed then got on this WOW. He truly needs the prayers. He has such a cute family :)


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Wyks on August 03, 2010, 12:43:29 AM

You're probably right but would it come up if he were the one with the problem?
Lemme tell ya, I had some uncharitable thoughts toward my husband when WoW was his world.
I often fantasized about bashing in his monitor with a baseball bat just to get his attention.
There was a whole lotta hurt and anger on my part but I never acted on it because I don't have that in me.
Unless you count the time I bought suction cup darts and shot them at the monitor while he was playing...

 ::MonkeyHaHa::   ::MonkeyEek::

I'm so sorry for laffing, cuz it isn't a funny situation.. I can just visualize the darts hitting the monitor.  <stifles giggles> 



My aim was terrible so not nearly as many as I'd hoped actually hit the darn thing.
 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyDevil::  You ARE a hoot!  lol 



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Wyks on August 03, 2010, 12:45:43 AM
Snipped from Tamikosmom's post:  Shannon in Williamsburg, VA  Could this be the person who posted as HopeinVA? 

That's anyone's guess, Clay.  Been trying to figure out who those two are for awhile, as have others.  Someone with some inside info, that seems true. 



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Wyks on August 03, 2010, 12:46:51 AM
I googled DeDe Spicher and Verity.  Verity is posting on other forums.  (Of course, I am too, LOL)

#
True Crimes • View topic - Posts from Supposedly Dede's Cousin
Dede Spicher may be a scapegoat/patsy set up by the stepmother, ..... Quoting: Verity 1050570. There is NO WAY that 2 teachers could come up with $350000.00 ...
truecrimes.50.forumer.com/viewtopic.php?f=528&t=3873... - Cached
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Blink On Crime - Kyron Horman Missing and Endangered: Kaine Horman ...
Jun 29, 2010 ... Dede Spicher · Desiree Young · Kaine Horman · Kristian Horman · Michael Cook · Pumala .... (per Harry Oakes on Nancy Grace.) Verity says: ...
blinkoncrime.com/.../kyron-horman-missing-and-endangered-kaine-horman-files-for-restraining-order-and-divorce-from-terri-horman/ - Cached
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Is Kyron Horman being held for ransom. | True Crime in the 21st ...
Jul 18, 2010... Anita Kessee with KATU.com interviews connection with DeDe Spicher -Rosemont Farms .... Verity says: July 18, 2010 at 1:11 pm ...
www.truecrimeinthe21stcentury.com/2010/07/18/kyron-horman-2/ - Cached

http://www.anorak.co.uk/253157/media/kyron-horman-tony-young-and-the-failed-police-plot-to-entrap-terri-horman.html

Verity says:
July 28th, 2010 at 5:29 am

it is now fact Terri was in Kyron’s life since his birth….It is now fact Terri has been with Kaine for over 8 years per Kaine’s statements on national tv…….so he is a cheater and deceptive as well as Desiree being deceptive……..hmmm I see a lifetime drama coming out of Kaine and Desiree..I see money…what a dysfunctional group..Kaine talking about Terri’s DUI in 2005?? All of the sudden Terri has been this bad evil wicked drunk who lies all the time,but Kaine left both of his kids with her every day??? and Desiree didn’t see Kyron but maybe 2 weekends out of the month,leaving Terri to be the primary care giver of Kyron?? something isn’t right here,somebody has reason beyond Kyron’s disappearance,to trash Terri,and she still hasn’t spoken……..I hope both bio parents have good lawyers,cause if Terri had nothing to do with this,they are in deep Male Enhanced Bovine Manure……..

http://blogs.wweek.com/news/2010/07/22/county-board-approves-additional-funds-for-kyron-horman-investigation/

 Verity says:
July 22, 2010 at 12:39 pm

so Terri is continuing to cooperate….Well heck I guess this will cause the She is guilty crowd to have their panties in a wad…….before the day is out this statement will be made out to mean Terri is guilty and never cooperated….

http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2010/07/07/kyron-horman-case-will-terris-lies-be-what-traps-her/

Verity said: { Jul 7, 2010 - 06:07:00 }

I believe Kaine was seeing Terri while DY was pregnant..DY did not say Terri was not around Kyron since he was 3 days old,what she said was it took 1 1/2 years for her to meet Terri….Gee you would think some people would learn the meaning of words.
If Terri was not in Kaine’s life when Kyron was born,then DY would have said “Terri did not come into our lives until Kyron was 1 1/2 years old……..don’t ya think??
DY is smart,and smart people know how to use the English language to confuse people who don’t comprehend very well……..
IMO


Definitely a friend of Terri's

Although her GLP profile says she is in Vermont

Interesting... Thanks!! 



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Wyks on August 03, 2010, 12:51:23 AM

I hear ya Rosie, it is in the eye of the beholder, and all that.  If it were me running a board in support of someone, am thinking I'd pick the best pic of that person I could find.  This one of Terri shows more of her beauty, I would think.  (Not that I like the fact the fact they took Kyron's pic off of there tho).  And not saying you or anyone else in here does either.   ::MonkeyKiss::


(http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq117/Wyks_/Kyron/Terri6.jpg)



Wyks

That is a lovely picture of Terri.  Is it dated?

Terri is the same age as my daughter but in most pictures since the birth of Kiara she looks much older.

Janet


Am not sure when this pic was taken, Janet, sorry.. Grabbed it up sometime back and cannot even remember where.  Maybe those who have been combing thru her pic albums may know or remember? 

I agree, seems when the light left her eyes, she appears older, and not gracefully. 



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Wyks on August 03, 2010, 01:03:35 AM
Kiara in that picture looks like she's around 1 year old.

At that point Terri still coyly smiled, she had good skin tone on her face, she looked trim and her hair was beautifully fiery.

Though her eyes look saddened, she looks great.

So, what happened?

This sending James to live with granpa and the murder for hire six months before may have been turning points.

All of a sudden she looks heavy, and old - in about six/seven months.

MOO... New brides/grooms go into marriage with dreams and expectations of happiness which most times don't get realized. It takes a few years for those brides/grooms to realize that their dreams of Utopian marriage bliss were just fantasies, and that married life requires effort and most times those efforts are not rewarded... so that life becomes a day to day struggle just to get trough each single day.

Many can adjust and live with it, many divorce, some live through it but are always unhappy.

Maybe Terri was unhappy and she dreamed of a better living, or more freedom than she had after the baby was born. Maybe she felt unappreciated by her husband, and then divorce was being discussed, along with custody, etc...

All the prospects of finding herself without her daughter, without a home and financial backing may have been a trigger to both, her physical appearance and her murder for hire attempts.

As to how this relates to Kyron, maybe the pressure put on him under the circumstances was getting to him during the last few months before his disappearance, maybe the reason why he whined every time he had to return to his dad and step-mom's?

He knew something bad was brewing, and he didn't like it.

My new question on this is discipline. Who administered it at the Horman's household? How often? How harsh?


All good points, and good questions, Itaryl Moosee.  Even in prior discussions on these things, we still haven't come to anything conclusive yet.  We just need more info, dang it.  Hard to wait. 



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Wyks on August 03, 2010, 01:17:39 AM
From June 4th I have thought to know why or what might of started this behavior you had to know what was going on the house, something made her change from summer of last year to the end of the year and escalate to now.  Although may never know the why just events, as their is no excuse for the WHY, if guilty she had no right to take Kyron.

I have wondered if Desiree was also wanting full custody and that had TH worried that KH would lose interest in "the family", but then didn't buy that thought. 

It was something in the family dynamic, that may not of even been anyone else doing anything. I hope that they are all giving full disclosure to LE.

And I pray the Kyron is stashed somewhere, but fear that is not going to be the case.

Also O/T rumor is the custodial mother of baby Sylar has been arrested.

Thanks, am hoping the rumor about the custodial mom is true.  Going over to find out next. 

You've raised some good points to ponder in here as well, thanks.  We've discussed some of these things, and as time goes on, with more info released, perhaps we'll understand more of this.  Hope so. 

One thing I've wondered in all this, is... back when Terri seems to have begun that slide downward, James was 'sent away' to live with his grandparents, then with his biodad/Angela.  Wonder if he had been playing WOW as well?  If perhaps it had gripped him so much that it caused his grades to slip, butt heads with Terri/Kaine?  If so, am thinking sending him where he would be outside with the horses, nature, etc. would have been a good alternative, and understandable. 

Wish we had more actual facts as to what went on, it could explain quite a bit.  Still wouldn't justify disappearing Kyron tho, am sure we all agree on that.  Sure would be nice to understand some of the rest tho. 


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Daydream on August 03, 2010, 01:30:10 AM
From June 4th I have thought to know why or what might of started this behavior you had to know what was going on the house, something made her change from summer of last year to the end of the year and escalate to now.  Although may never know the why just events, as their is no excuse for the WHY, if guilty she had no right to take Kyron.

I have wondered if Desiree was also wanting full custody and that had TH worried that KH would lose interest in "the family", but then didn't buy that thought. 

It was something in the family dynamic, that may not of even been anyone else doing anything. I hope that they are all giving full disclosure to LE.

And I pray the Kyron is stashed somewhere, but fear that is not going to be the case.

Also O/T rumor is the custodial mother of baby Sylar has been arrested.

I have been pondering all of the same things you have.  She really wanted a teaching job and it seems she was doing a lot to try and get one. I wonder if maybe that wasn't some of the catalyst, her not being able to get a job.  Sometimes the working spouse can put pressure on their non-working partner.  And I totally agree with the other folks that have posted about World of Warcraft. It does change one's priorities and personality.  I think that the majority of "hardcore" players are fizzling out of playing, as the has been around for about 6 years.  I asked in an earlier post if anyone knew both T and Kaine's involvement in the game.

And regarding your O/T rumor: This won't surprise me in the least.  I don't even care why she is arrested.  People in this country should not be allowed to lose children.  Zero tolerance. JMO. 


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Brandi on August 03, 2010, 01:46:38 AM

I hear ya Rosie, it is in the eye of the beholder, and all that.  If it were me running a board in support of someone, am thinking I'd pick the best pic of that person I could find.  This one of Terri shows more of her beauty, I would think.  (Not that I like the fact the fact they took Kyron's pic off of there tho).  And not saying you or anyone else in here does either.   ::MonkeyKiss::


(http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq117/Wyks_/Kyron/Terri6.jpg)



Wyks

That is a lovely picture of Terri.  Is it dated?

Terri is the same age as my daughter but in most pictures since the birth of Kiara she looks much older.

Janet


Am not sure when this pic was taken, Janet, sorry.. Grabbed it up sometime back and cannot even remember where.  Maybe those who have been combing thru her pic albums may know or remember? 

I agree, seems when the light left her eyes, she appears older, and not gracefully. 



(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/Kyron/downsized_0627002105.jpg)

It's cropped from this one. Kiara is quite young, so you can get a general date from that.



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: nana0567 on August 03, 2010, 01:52:05 AM

For the record, in case a poll is still being taken..  ::dogwag::

I am not a friend or supporter of Terri, have not been in touch with her in any way, nor do I intend to. 

 


I don't know any of the family members either...but as I mentioned before I do live in Medford, Oregon same city as Tony and Desiree. I don't know where bio-mom works but she sure looks familiar.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: ospainter on August 03, 2010, 02:10:20 AM
anitakissee-twitter

K-2's learned ANOTHER property searched connected to #KyronHorman case. Where... & who else could have to go before the grand jury... @ 11     about 1 hour ago  via web 

OS


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Lucky7 on August 03, 2010, 02:17:38 AM
Jonesr(OP)
User ID: 1056318
 United States
8/3/2010 2:13 AM

Dede has been getting death threats, if her lawyer discloses her location and some zealot goes for her, who will pay his bill?

(snipped from http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1141412/pg112)

post from dedes cousin ....


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: sebastian on August 03, 2010, 03:32:18 AM
According to this video, Dede's aunt's property on NW Bishop was searched within the last two weeks.

http://www.katu.com/news/local/99801789.html?tab=video


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: pdh3 on August 03, 2010, 03:55:21 AM
I believe if Terri had an addiction to the War of Warcraft ... Kaine would have revealed this problem in his interviews.  Terri was not spared in regard to her mood swings ... irrational behavior ...

Janet


Didn't he say she was on her computer a lot?


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: pdh3 on August 03, 2010, 04:04:39 AM
Looks like I'm the only one, but I think the picture of Terri with the three kids is very nice, think all four of them look good. Guess beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

Looks like that photo was taken about a year ago.  All the kids look great and Terri for the most part looks good but her eyes in that photo give me the creeps.  She scares me in that photo. 
Compared to what she looks like now  ::MonkeyEek::  Whatever happened in the months leading up to Kyron's disappearance sure took a toll on her looks.


bbm
Drinking in secret....the stress of living a lie and hiding her true self.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: nana0567 on August 03, 2010, 04:23:46 AM
Snipped from Tamikosmom's post:  Shannon in Williamsburg, VA  Could this be the person who posted as HopeinVA? 
Hi Claytcat, I was wondering the very same thing.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Scatty on August 03, 2010, 04:34:41 AM
Looks like I'm the only one, but I think the picture of Terri with the three kids is very nice, think all four of them look good. Guess beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

Looks like that photo was taken about a year ago.  All the kids look great and Terri for the most part looks good but her eyes in that photo give me the creeps.  She scares me in that photo. 
Compared to what she looks like now  ::MonkeyEek::  Whatever happened in the months leading up to Kyron's disappearance sure took a toll on her looks.


bbm
Drinking in secret....the stress of living a lie and hiding her true self.

I agree pdh3. And also maybe she was addicted to WoW. That can take a toll because you stop caring about your appearance as well. Nothing's more important than the game.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: pdh3 on August 03, 2010, 05:01:25 AM
Pulled from another post:

OAKES: We made multiple pleas to get a scent article. If they`re so concerned about finding their son, who cares who finds him?

I found that wording by HO quite callous. It sounds like he was taking it personally. That kinda turned me off a bit.




I agree 100%. HO is a bitter man, and he should shut up and get off TV talking that way about an agonized family. HO wants to be the star, and he's irritated that the family won't let him get involved. He's trying to push his way in. What a jerk.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: pdh3 on August 03, 2010, 05:23:24 AM
I would not be surprised to see the local sheriff's office has hit a dead end. The focus is now more likely with the FBI, perhaps across state lines."
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/08/02/earlyshow/main6736423.shtml (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/08/02/earlyshow/main6736423.shtml)

What I have been so afraid of, they don't have anything that can prove who, what, where, when and why.  Lord I pray this is not the case, how does a little boy just vanish with out a trace.

Personally I'm not all that worried about what a bunch of paid talking heads have to say about the investigation.  They don't know any more than we do.

BBM


Usually,they know less. You and Janet could run rings around their fact checkers and researchers.... ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Claycat on August 03, 2010, 07:25:20 AM
Snipped from Tamikosmom's post:  Shannon in Williamsburg, VA  Could this be the person who posted as HopeinVA? 
Hi Claytcat, I was wondering the very same thing.

Hi Nana!


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Claycat on August 03, 2010, 07:26:48 AM
I googled DeDe Spicher and Verity.  Verity is posting on other forums.  (Of course, I am too, LOL)

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True Crimes • View topic - Posts from Supposedly Dede's Cousin
Dede Spicher may be a scapegoat/patsy set up by the stepmother, ..... Quoting: Verity 1050570. There is NO WAY that 2 teachers could come up with $350000.00 ...
truecrimes.50.forumer.com/viewtopic.php?f=528&t=3873... - Cached
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Blink On Crime - Kyron Horman Missing and Endangered: Kaine Horman ...
Jun 29, 2010 ... Dede Spicher · Desiree Young · Kaine Horman · Kristian Horman · Michael Cook · Pumala .... (per Harry Oakes on Nancy Grace.) Verity says: ...
blinkoncrime.com/.../kyron-horman-missing-and-endangered-kaine-horman-files-for-restraining-order-and-divorce-from-terri-horman/ - Cached
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Is Kyron Horman being held for ransom. | True Crime in the 21st ...
Jul 18, 2010... Anita Kessee with KATU.com interviews connection with DeDe Spicher -Rosemont Farms .... Verity says: July 18, 2010 at 1:11 pm ...
www.truecrimeinthe21stcentury.com/2010/07/18/kyron-horman-2/ - Cached

http://www.anorak.co.uk/253157/media/kyron-horman-tony-young-and-the-failed-police-plot-to-entrap-terri-horman.html

Verity says:
July 28th, 2010 at 5:29 am

it is now fact Terri was in Kyron’s life since his birth….It is now fact Terri has been with Kaine for over 8 years per Kaine’s statements on national tv…….so he is a cheater and deceptive as well as Desiree being deceptive……..hmmm I see a lifetime drama coming out of Kaine and Desiree..I see money…what a dysfunctional group..Kaine talking about Terri’s DUI in 2005?? All of the sudden Terri has been this bad evil wicked drunk who lies all the time,but Kaine left both of his kids with her every day??? and Desiree didn’t see Kyron but maybe 2 weekends out of the month,leaving Terri to be the primary care giver of Kyron?? something isn’t right here,somebody has reason beyond Kyron’s disappearance,to trash Terri,and she still hasn’t spoken……..I hope both bio parents have good lawyers,cause if Terri had nothing to do with this,they are in deep Male Enhanced Bovine Manure……..

http://blogs.wweek.com/news/2010/07/22/county-board-approves-additional-funds-for-kyron-horman-investigation/

 Verity says:
July 22, 2010 at 12:39 pm

so Terri is continuing to cooperate….Well heck I guess this will cause the She is guilty crowd to have their panties in a wad…….before the day is out this statement will be made out to mean Terri is guilty and never cooperated….

http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2010/07/07/kyron-horman-case-will-terris-lies-be-what-traps-her/

Verity said: { Jul 7, 2010 - 06:07:00 }

I believe Kaine was seeing Terri while DY was pregnant..DY did not say Terri was not around Kyron since he was 3 days old,what she said was it took 1 1/2 years for her to meet Terri….Gee you would think some people would learn the meaning of words.
If Terri was not in Kaine’s life when Kyron was born,then DY would have said “Terri did not come into our lives until Kyron was 1 1/2 years old……..don’t ya think??
DY is smart,and smart people know how to use the English language to confuse people who don’t comprehend very well……..
IMO


Definitely a friend of Terri's

Although her GLP profile says she is in Vermont

Interesting... Thanks!! 



Definitely interesting!  Thanks for posting the comments Klaas!


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: klaasend on August 03, 2010, 09:21:30 AM
According to this video, Dede's aunt's property on NW Bishop was searched within the last two weeks.

http://www.katu.com/news/local/99801789.html?tab=video

http://www.katu.com/news/local/99801789.html?

Sources have said Terri and DeDe have not been able to account for an hour and a half to two hours on the morning of June 4 the day Kyron disappeared.

According to sources, two detectives and a canine search dog scoured the property of DeDe Spicher’s aunt along Northwest Bishop Road in Helvetia within the last two weeks.

Neighbors said DeDe no longer lives there and hasn’t visited in a while. But they said detectives still wanted to know what they saw, if anything, on June 4.
(snipped)

Cousin Tom at the GLP forum thinks Kyron could be there as well. 


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Bishop road fits the timeline, they need to search there.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on August 03, 2010, 09:27:22 AM
Looks like I'm the only one, but I think the picture of Terri with the three kids is very nice, think all four of them look good. Guess beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

Looks like that photo was taken about a year ago.  All the kids look great and Terri for the most part looks good but her eyes in that photo give me the creeps.  She scares me in that photo. 
Compared to what she looks like now  ::MonkeyEek::  Whatever happened in the months leading up to Kyron's disappearance sure took a toll on her looks.


bbm
Drinking in secret....the stress of living a lie and hiding her true self.
We know none of that, these are just assumptions on your part.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: can on August 03, 2010, 09:36:34 AM
Good morning Monkeys! 
May today bring us closer to finding Kyron.

Had computer problems for a few hours yesterday and didn't answer some
Monkeys.  Sorry.

Gypsy - I too would like to know about the cousins epiphany!   ::MonkeyBike::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: melisb on August 03, 2010, 09:46:02 AM
Just rambling...HopeinVA=VA?=Veritas Aequitas?=Veritas=Verity!  Don't know but seems this person who mentioned that KH played WoW more than TH is just using the Veritas=Verity name and it comes from a part of the WoW game in which VA Veritas Aequitas is an alliance within the game.  Just and FYI and prolly not important.

By the by, Veritas Aequitas means truth and justice!  Funny to be posting a verity, huh?  Maybe we should pay more attention to those posts.  lol


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: melisb on August 03, 2010, 09:47:30 AM
Just rambling...HopeinVA=VA?=Veritas Aequitas?=Veritas=Verity!  Don't know but seems this person who mentioned that KH played WoW more than TH is just using the Veritas=Verity name and it comes from a part of the WoW game in which VA Veritas Aequitas is an alliance within the game.  Just and FYI and prolly not important.

By the by, Veritas Aequitas means truth and justice!  Funny to be posting a verity, huh?  Maybe we should pay more attention to those posts.  lol


Bad spelling this am-posting a-posting as, sorry


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: seahorse on August 03, 2010, 09:50:18 AM
Looks like I'm the only one, but I think the picture of Terri with the three kids is very nice, think all four of them look good. Guess beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

Looks like that photo was taken about a year ago.  All the kids look great and Terri for the most part looks good but her eyes in that photo give me the creeps.  She scares me in that photo. 
Compared to what she looks like now  ::MonkeyEek::  Whatever happened in the months leading up to Kyron's disappearance sure took a toll on her looks.


bbm
Drinking in secret....the stress of living a lie and hiding her true self.
We know none of that, these are just assumptions on your part.

Ice cream can put weight on you.  She may have indulged in goodies with the kids.  The kids eat at fast food restaurants?
Fast food puts weight on you, (it is so easy to pack on the pounds) just finding a coffee shop with chocolate crossiants, I would put ten pounds on me.

I do not eat fast food or ice cream now, I am back to my weight when I was in H.S.

Perhaps SM binges, on everything!  ::monkeywine2::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on August 03, 2010, 09:57:14 AM
Seahorse you are right she could have been binging with food, she could have been binge drinking, she could also have been on medication that causes weight gain. I have no idea what was happening in their lives. Just see a nice family pic of Terri and the kids, and what happened from there we may never know.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: mariloo on August 03, 2010, 09:58:41 AM
I would like to know why this Nitwit cannot be brought in and made to talk.  This is not some petty theft or simple drug possession.  THIS IS A MISSING CHILD.HELLO!!!!!!!  Somebody, please do something.  TH knows and needs to be made to talk.  Dede needs to jump off a cliff if she is unwilling to help find this innocent little boy.  I am so fed up with worrying about stepping on other people's toes!!!!!!!!!! ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: seemeatthebeach on August 03, 2010, 10:03:46 AM
http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2010/08/03/kyron-homan-case-possible-insight-into-dede-spicher/

Kyron Homan case: Possible insight into DeDe Spicher?

Posted on August 3rd, 2010 by Valhall


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Claycat on August 03, 2010, 10:16:45 AM
Just rambling...HopeinVA=VA?=Veritas Aequitas?=Veritas=Verity!  Don't know but seems this person who mentioned that KH played WoW more than TH is just using the Veritas=Verity name and it comes from a part of the WoW game in which VA Veritas Aequitas is an alliance within the game.  Just and FYI and prolly not important.

By the by, Veritas Aequitas means truth and justice!  Funny to be posting a verity, huh?  Maybe we should pay more attention to those posts.  lol


Bad spelling this am-posting a-posting as, sorry

Forget the spelling!  You are a super sleuth!  VA - Wow!


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Claycat on August 03, 2010, 10:19:27 AM
I would like to know why this Nitwit cannot be brought in and made to talk.  This is not some petty theft or simple drug possession.  THIS IS A MISSING CHILD.HELLO!!!!!!!  Somebody, please do something.  TH knows and needs to be made to talk.  Dede needs to jump off a cliff if she is unwilling to help find this innocent little boy.  I am so fed up with worrying about stepping on other people's toes!!!!!!!!!! ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad::

I know!  It makes me so angry, too!   ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Lifesong on August 03, 2010, 10:27:52 AM
Just rambling...HopeinVA=VA?=Veritas Aequitas?=Veritas=Verity!  Don't know but seems this person who mentioned that KH played WoW more than TH is just using the Veritas=Verity name and it comes from a part of the WoW game in which VA Veritas Aequitas is an alliance within the game.  Just and FYI and prolly not important.

By the by, Veritas Aequitas means truth and justice!  Funny to be posting a verity, huh?  Maybe we should pay more attention to those posts.  lol


Bad spelling this am-posting a-posting as, sorry

Forget the spelling!  You are a super sleuth!  VA - Wow!

Agree!  Thanks to everyone for providing information about World of Warcraft, etc.  I find the whole thing a bit frightening myself, though I'm sure many see it as harmless. 

I'm curious if these players of WoW form relationships in the game and whether there are levels of loyalty that are built up between online players...and if/how that might spill over into real life.

(I'm one of those parents that has never allowed any first-person shooter game into the house, whether computer game, x-box, gameboy, whatever...so bear with me and please don't take offense!)


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Claycat on August 03, 2010, 10:29:11 AM
http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2010/08/03/kyron-homan-case-possible-insight-into-dede-spicher/

Kyron Homan case: Possible insight into DeDe Spicher?

Posted on August 3rd, 2010 by Valhall

After reading that, I'm thinking DeDe is up to her neck in this.  I was hoping not.  I don't think she has been offered immunity yet, because the police want to get her for being an accomplice.  I don't think they will offer her immunity until they have exhausted all other avenues.  JMO


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on August 03, 2010, 10:32:44 AM
Because this is the United States, and the judicial system has to be followed or chaos would break out. I'm just thankful that I live in a country that has a decent judicial system, may not agree with some of it though.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: can on August 03, 2010, 10:35:36 AM
http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2010/08/03/kyron-homan-case-possible-insight-into-dede-spicher/

Kyron Homan case: Possible insight into DeDe Spicher?

Posted on August 3rd, 2010 by Valhall

Thanks seeme!  Wow, so someone, possibly De De provided new cell phones to Terri.  Pretty stupid thing to do during an investigation over a little missing child.

 ::MonkeyAngel::Kyron  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: mediamama on August 03, 2010, 10:42:32 AM
http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2010/08/03/kyron-homan-case-possible-insight-into-dede-spicher/

Kyron Homan case: Possible insight into DeDe Spicher?

Posted on August 3rd, 2010 by Valhall

Thanks seeme!  Wow, so someone, possibly De De provided new cell phones to Terri.  Pretty stupid thing to do during an investigation over a little missing child.

 ::MonkeyAngel::Kyron  ::MonkeyAngel::

I agree. Although I wonder if it was positioned as something innocuous by Terri; a la "Deedle, would you mind picking up one of those prepaid cell phones for me while you're out today? The cops took mine to investigate and now I have no way to call anyone."

??


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: melisb on August 03, 2010, 10:42:59 AM
I must say the post on Terriology reminded me about Shannon in VA and this is who I believe HopeinVA is.  Sorry, my bad.  I think most posters here think that is her also.  But...as MOST things in this case we know NOTHING for SURE.  Thank goodness for FOIA in FL!!!!  I used to think this created many more probs to flaunt all the info out there for the public to see but after Ky's case and it being so tight lipped I don't know which is better.  I prefer FL's laws at the moment.  To LE in Oregon...let us know somethin please.  What if someone doesn't know they can help you?  Ask for help on specifics.  Throw us a bone not because we're nosey but because there are so many people in your area that could/would/will help Kyron if they can.  Our heart is with this little boy and so many willing to help.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 03, 2010, 10:48:02 AM
According to this video, Dede's aunt's property on NW Bishop was searched within the last two weeks.

http://www.katu.com/news/local/99801789.html?tab=video

http://www.katu.com/news/local/99801789.html?

Sources have said Terri and DeDe have not been able to account for an hour and a half to two hours on the morning of June 4 the day Kyron disappeared.

According to sources, two detectives and a canine search dog scoured the property of DeDe Spicher’s aunt along Northwest Bishop Road in Helvetia within the last two weeks.

Neighbors said DeDe no longer lives there and hasn’t visited in a while. But they said detectives still wanted to know what they saw, if anything, on June 4.
(snipped)

Cousin Tom at the GLP forum thinks Kyron could be there as well. 


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Bishop road fits the timeline, they need to search there.

According the the timeline already provided by "Sources" ... DeDe was missing in the period that Terri was at the gym.

This implies to me that a panicked Terri contacted DeDe for asssistance and ... out of a misguided sense of loyalty ... DeDe alone covered up her friend's wrongdoing ... using the tools of her trade ... while Terri was at the gym cleaning up and creating an alibi.

I suspect that this case could be solved if the prosecutor plugged his nose and ... granted DeDe immunity from prosecution in exchange for the truth.

Janet

++++++

Sources: Probable cause to arrest Terri Horman
July 25, 2010 at 8:21 AM


There are some things she did that day that were confirmed.

She went to the gym for about 45 minutes that morning and arrived home about 1 p.m. to post pictures from the science fair on her Facebook page.

http://www.kgw.com/news/Horman-kyron-missing-gaps-portland-kiara-99181214.html


Sources detail stepmom's timeline on day Ore. boy vanished
Story Published: Jul 24, 2010 at 9:04 AM PDT
Story Updated: Jul 24, 2010 at 9:14 AM PDT


At 11:39 a.m., Terri checked in at a 24-hour Fitness in Beaverton on Waterhouse Avenue and worked out for about an hour until 12:40 p.m.

By 1:21, Terri claimed she'd traveled home - a distance of nearly 11 miles - and was posting photos on Facebook she'd taken that morning of Kyron standing with his science project and of his friend, Kurtis, standing with his.

http://www.komonews.com/news/local/99168554.html


Investigators put pressure on Terri Moulton Horman's friends, including DeDe Spicher
Published: Thursday, July 22, 2010, 7:50 PM
Updated: Friday, July 23, 2010, 9:48 AM


Detectives learned that Spicher, who shares Terri Horman's passion for fitness and gardening, was doing gardening work for a Northwest Portland homeowner on June 4. She abruptly left the house about 11:30 a.m. and didn't return until an hour to 90 minutes later.

Another person working at the home called Spicher to come in for lunch, and the homeowner called Spicher on her cell phone but she wasn't reachable. Detectives have questioned both the homeowner and the other person who was working at the home that day.

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/07/investigators_put_pressure_on.html


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Claycat on August 03, 2010, 10:49:41 AM
If DeDe helped, I want her to go down with Terri!


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Scatty on August 03, 2010, 10:52:57 AM
http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2010/08/03/kyron-homan-case-possible-insight-into-dede-spicher/

Kyron Homan case: Possible insight into DeDe Spicher?

Posted on August 3rd, 2010 by Valhall

Why, why, why would some FOOL give Terri new cellphone(s)??????? I would think wanting to know the truth about a child's disappearance would overule any friendship loyalty. UNLESS the friend was involved up to her eyeballs.  ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Lucky7 on August 03, 2010, 10:56:57 AM
If DeDe helped, I want her to go down with Terri!
If Terri Planned this (which thats what it looks like to me IMO) then do you think dede knew she planned it? Whether or not dede did know or was in the plan, I too believe she should go down. All the way down with Terri. If this was planned it is very sick. I cannot understand why anyone could plan to kill a child.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 03, 2010, 10:57:00 AM
http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2010/08/03/kyron-homan-case-possible-insight-into-dede-spicher/

Kyron Homan case: Possible insight into DeDe Spicher?

Posted on August 3rd, 2010 by Valhall

Thanks seeme!  Wow, so someone, possibly De De provided new cell phones to Terri.  Pretty stupid thing to do during an investigation over a little missing child.

 ::MonkeyAngel::Kyron  ::MonkeyAngel::


Stepmom's friends scrutinized as investigators comb through 3,500 tips in Kyron Horman case
Published: Monday, August 02, 2010, 2:52 PM
Updated: Monday, August 02, 2010, 10:27 PM


Investigators have been focusing on Terri Moulton Horman's close circle of friends after learning that one of them obtained new cell phones for her so she could avoid investigators' scrutiny after becoming the focus of the inquiry into the disappearance of her 7-year-old stepson.

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/08/multnomah_county_shericomb_thr.html



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 03, 2010, 11:03:46 AM
If DeDe helped, I want her to go down with Terri!

Me too.  However ... without DeDe's testimony ... maybe neither DeDe or Terri will "go down".  The prosecutor could be between a rock and a hard place if there is not a foundation of evidence to confirm their suspicions regarding these two.

Janet


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: cecilita on August 03, 2010, 11:03:52 AM
dede introduced the gardener to terri. dede knows that she could face charges cor that. dede working in landscaping she must talk to the landscaper to kill kaine 


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Scatty on August 03, 2010, 11:04:35 AM
Worth checking out: EXCELLENT post comment  by Starshine at the Hinkymeter

http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2010/08/03/kyron-homan-case-possible-insight-into-dede-spicher/


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: can on August 03, 2010, 11:10:32 AM
http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2010/08/03/kyron-homan-case-possible-insight-into-dede-spicher/

Kyron Homan case: Possible insight into DeDe Spicher?

Posted on August 3rd, 2010 by Valhall

Thanks seeme!  Wow, so someone, possibly De De provided new cell phones to Terri.  Pretty stupid thing to do during an investigation over a little missing child.

 ::MonkeyAngel::Kyron  ::MonkeyAngel::

I agree. Although I wonder if it was positioned as something innocuous by Terri; a la "Deedle, would you mind picking up one of those prepaid cell phones for me while you're out today? The cops took mine to investigate and now I have no way to call anyone."

??

Morning mediamama.  I'm sure Terri had a very good excuse/line as to why she required ppd cell phones.

 


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Claycat on August 03, 2010, 11:11:40 AM
Worth checking out: EXCELLENT post comment  by Starshine at the Hinkymeter

http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2010/08/03/kyron-homan-case-possible-insight-into-dede-spicher/


I agree, very good post!


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: can on August 03, 2010, 11:11:42 AM
http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2010/08/03/kyron-homan-case-possible-insight-into-dede-spicher/

Kyron Homan case: Possible insight into DeDe Spicher?

Posted on August 3rd, 2010 by Valhall

Thanks seeme!  Wow, so someone, possibly De De provided new cell phones to Terri.  Pretty stupid thing to do during an investigation over a little missing child.

 ::MonkeyAngel::Kyron  ::MonkeyAngel::


Stepmom's friends scrutinized as investigators comb through 3,500 tips in Kyron Horman case
Published: Monday, August 02, 2010, 2:52 PM
Updated: Monday, August 02, 2010, 10:27 PM


Investigators have been focusing on Terri Moulton Horman's close circle of friends after learning that one of them obtained new cell phones for her so she could avoid investigators' scrutiny after becoming the focus of the inquiry into the disappearance of her 7-year-old stepson.

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/08/multnomah_county_shericomb_thr.html



Thanks and good morning Janet.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Lucky7 on August 03, 2010, 11:15:53 AM
Worth checking out: EXCELLENT post comment  by Starshine at the Hinkymeter

http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2010/08/03/kyron-homan-case-possible-insight-into-dede-spicher/

Thanks for pointing that out, was interesting. seems like that person thinks dede was just helping a friend & made poor decisions. I cant help to wonder at this point if Terri planned this did dede as well. If so, what did they do to or with Kyron? did they stash him like Desiree says or kill him, like the cousin said he thinks Kyron is on Bishop Rd.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: melisb on August 03, 2010, 11:16:53 AM
Just rambling...HopeinVA=VA?=Veritas Aequitas?=Veritas=Verity!  Don't know but seems this person who mentioned that KH played WoW more than TH is just using the Veritas=Verity name and it comes from a part of the WoW game in which VA Veritas Aequitas is an alliance within the game.  Just and FYI and prolly not important.

By the by, Veritas Aequitas means truth and justice!  Funny to be posting a verity, huh?  Maybe we should pay more attention to those posts.  lol


Bad spelling this am-posting a-posting as, sorry

Forget the spelling!  You are a super sleuth!  VA - Wow!

Agree!  Thanks to everyone for providing information about World of Warcraft, etc.  I find the whole thing a bit frightening myself, though I'm sure many see it as harmless. 

I'm curious if these players of WoW form relationships in the game and whether there are levels of loyalty that are built up between online players...and if/how that might spill over into real life.

(I'm one of those parents that has never allowed any first-person shooter game into the house, whether computer game, x-box, gameboy, whatever...so bear with me and please don't take offense!)


Yes they do!  I don't have any specifics but you can google it and see for yourself.  Many people meet because the characters have formed and alliance or even a love interest within the game itself.  Too freakin weird, huh?  My son does in fact play it but we've raised a good solid child and his thought train doesn't even run like that.  He's more into building the characters and the monsters.  Other people can interact with all you create and he gets lots of props online for his unusual creations.  OT but I'm thinking he might go into designing video games or other programs.  He super creative.  Luv, Luv, Luv my one and only baby boy.  Yes, he still let's me call him baby!  Premie 3 1/2 mos. early and they told me he would be nothing more than a vegetable.  God and my miracle boy proved all of them wrong!  Back to Ky now, sorry.  Now, hold on cause I'm going there!  Since there was sexual abuse mentioned by KH's convicted brother I'm bringing this up...Kyron disappeared the day Kr.H was sentenced wasn't he?  I'm just of the belief that she didn't/couldn't do away with Ky so maybe she put all the parental abuse out of her head and believed BIL was innocent until the fam knew he was really guilty by admitting it.  Maybe in the months leading up to Ky disappearing she began to think that something was going on in her on home (real or not but in TH's own mind I'm speaking of).  Something was going on by the look of TH, her whole face changed, weight gain, etc, you could just tell something was wrong, agreed?  This has been mentioned before but what IF she did stash him because she believed that KH was messing with Ky?  Everyone says but she didn't take Kiara and run.  She hadn't planned on KH taking Kitty either.  Maybe she planned on leaving with her but Kaine got the jump on her.  This is all speculation people.  All hypothetical and trying to believe that Ky is only hidden and maybe TH's mind (right or wrong) just was running wild.  According to reports she DID try to get Kitty from the gym before the RO was brought to her attention.  I know I am just grasping at straws and I am not saying KH molested ANY child only that TH might have created this in her own mind if she really was going through PPD or some sort of breakdown of any kind.  It can be as simple as 'you made my boy go away so now i'm gonna make your boy go away' type thing.  Revenge!  I don't know anything for sure but I want Ky home now.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Babybear on August 03, 2010, 11:25:16 AM
Good morning peeps....

As much as many of us would like to see Terri brought in and made to talk, that isn't possible under the law.  A person doesn't even have to talk to LE at all and certainly not implicate themselves.  We don't have to take lie detector tests if we don't want to and our homes and persons can't be searched unless a judge issues a warrant on probable cause. The Fifth Amendment of the US Constitution prevents our being forced to testify against ourselves in court and out of court you don't have to say a word if you don't want to.

I'm glad the law protects us in this way, but it is frustrating as in this case that there is no legal way to force Terri to divulge what she knows, DeDe as well.  But it prevents us being put on the rack as in medieval times to torture the truth (or not) our of us.

I don't know what kind of person kill a child and/or help secrete the body, but even that kind of person can't be forced to talk. The law protects us all equally.  Well, it is supposed to, but recently I have seen civil cases where Federal judges ignore US law and the Constitution in their rulings.



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on August 03, 2010, 11:29:43 AM
Good morning peeps....

As much as many of us would like to see Terri brought in and made to talk, that isn't possible under the law.  A person doesn't even have to talk to LE at all and certainly not implicate themselves.  We don't have to take lie detector tests if we don't want to and our homes and persons can't be searched unless a judge issues a warrant on probable cause. The Fifth Amendment of the US Constitution prevents our being forced to testify against ourselves in court and out of court you don't have to say a word if you don't want to.

I'm glad the law protects us in this way, but it is frustrating as in this case that there is no legal way to force Terri to divulge what she knows, DeDe as well.  But it prevents us being put on the rack as in medieval times to torture the truth (or not) our of us.

I don't know what kind of person kill a child and/or help secrete the body, but even that kind of person can't be forced to talk. The law protects us all equally.  Well, it is supposed to, but recently I have seen civil cases where Federal judges ignore US law and the Constitution in their rulings.


I'm glad as well that the law protects us. I can't imagine going back in time and torturing a person for the truth. I just have to believe that LE and the prosecutors are doing a good job and are doing everything the right way, it sure seems to me that is what they are doing.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: cw618 on August 03, 2010, 11:35:30 AM
http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2010/08/03/kyron-homan-case-possible-insight-into-dede-spicher/

Kyron Homan case: Possible insight into DeDe Spicher?

Posted on August 3rd, 2010 by Valhall

Why, why, why would some FOOL give Terri new cellphone(s)??????? I would think wanting to know the truth about a child's disappearance would overule any friendship loyalty. UNLESS the friend was involved up to her eyeballs.  ::MonkeyMad::


IIRC, didnt the LE take TH phone/s, im sure they prob havent given them back yet
and since TH isnt out in public much, someone bought her a new phone/s


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: cw618 on August 03, 2010, 11:47:02 AM
Quote
IIRC, didnt the LE take TH phone/s, im sure they prob havent given them back yet
and since TH isnt out in public much, someone bought her a new phone/s

sorry i was C/P, and missed this portion

there is no law that says TH couldnt have another phone, some folks wouldnt
know what to do without their Cphone


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Lucky7 on August 03, 2010, 11:51:03 AM
A Look Back at Tony Youngs statements ...

“I absolutely believe that Terri Horman is involved in Kyron's disappearance,” he said. 

“She instantly started to express some displeasure at that, feeling like she was being persecuted,” he said. “I thought that was an unusual reaction so early.”

For Young, “strike two” came when investigators told him cell phone records belied Moulton Horman's timeline of where she was the day Kyron disappeared

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/07/dateline_nbc_highlights_puts_s.html


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Scatty on August 03, 2010, 11:55:16 AM
http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2010/08/03/kyron-homan-case-possible-insight-into-dede-spicher/

Kyron Homan case: Possible insight into DeDe Spicher?

Posted on August 3rd, 2010 by Valhall

Why, why, why would some FOOL give Terri new cellphone(s)??????? I would think wanting to know the truth about a child's disappearance would overule any friendship loyalty. UNLESS the friend was involved up to her eyeballs.  ::MonkeyMad::


IIRC, didnt the LE take TH phone/s, im sure they prob havent given them back yet
and since TH isnt out in public much, someone bought her a new phone/s


The wording in the Oregonian article is what made me assume that TH had her cellphone back, but maybe I assumed too much. If she didn't have a cellphone at all, I don't think there's anything wrong with having another. But why more than one? Unless they were disposable if there is such a thing.

Excerpt from Oregonian:

Investigators have been focusing on Terri Moulton Horman's close circle of friends after learning that one of them obtained new cell phones for her so she could avoid investigators' scrutiny after becoming the focus of the inquiry into the disappearance of her 7-year-old stepson.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: sassifrass on August 03, 2010, 11:55:38 AM
Not sure if this was posted yet.

http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2010/07/29/kyron-horman-case-considering-motives/ (http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2010/07/29/kyron-horman-case-considering-motives/)

I’m sharing this for a couple of reasons.  To show that there ARE stepparents out there who are not mature enough and not emotionally stable enough to be stepparents.  As a stepparent I can tell you that I take issue with anyone who wants to try to cast stepparents – in some blanket stereotypical fashion – as evil people.  I think a person is either bad or good – but not by label.  So there are bad parents (note Teghan’s mother, or Casey Anthony) just like there are bad stepparents.  But I also share this with you because I wonder…could this voice a possible motive behind Terri’s thinking – IF she was, in fact, involved in Kyron’s disappearance?  Read these words carefully and consider that question.

From this thread on “iVillage Garden Web:  The internet’s garden & home community” in the forum “Stepfamily”.  Thread title “Can’t accept my Stepson”.

http://www.thathomesite.com/forums/load/step/msg011826118329.html?60

Approximately 3/4’s of the way down the page a post by “stepmom2kids” posted on Saturday, March 13, 2010 at 18:35:

    I hate my step kid too. Its not pleasant to think of your husband with another woman making babies, much less having to care for them yourself as a free babysitter, and all the bull that comes with it. Out in the wild, hippos, lions and various other mammals will kill these offspring. I can’t stand my step kid, and he lives with us Frown
    Anyways, if I didn’t know him I’d say he’s a very sweet kid, that has a speech disorder/learning disorder, and as long as I wouldn’t have to be around him for extended periods of time, I’d like him, or be indifferent. But since he’s my step kid and I’m his main caretaker, I harbor a lot of resentment, that I worry may harm my health carrying all of this secret hate around, or that it will come around band bite me in the ass somehow later on. It is very unnatural having step kids, very unnatural to love them, it goes against nature is how it feels anyway.  I have often wished he’d get out of my life, but we can’t afford to pay child support and I have my own daughter to worry about. If we pay more than we can afford each month, how am I going to take care of my own daughter? That would agonize me much more than gritting my teeth everyday and enduring my stepson’s presence. I too would get up and do the gig if I only had to have him 3weeks out of the year. I used to wish that he would choke to death, and one day at a buffet it actually almost happened, man, did I regret that wish, I cried so much, I felt so sorry for his helpless little face as he chocked for air. I couldn’t have lived with the guilt if he’s dad wouldn’t of been there to save his life. Now I just wish he’d get abducted by aliens or something, Just kidding. He’s okay sometimes, but usually talks like a +++++ behind his years. I think he has some kind of learning disability that makes him very good with numbers, but a social +++++ (in my spiteful opinion). According to the dad he is a genius…Pff.. HAHA! What happened to me, I used to be nice, I still am a very nice person, it was normal for close friends to call me one of the nicest, accepting friends, accepting and befriending anyone for who they were. But being a step mom has brought out the worst in me, and is certainly the hardest thing I have ever had to do. I feel like Angelina Jolie in that movie where the police give her a kid that is not hers and he’s calling her “mom”, she throws a pan at the wall and shrieks, “I’m NOT YOUR MOTHER, DON’T CALL ME THAT!!!”. That’s what I want to do when he calls me mom. Instead I shutter inside, and on the outside, I smile sweetly and say, Yes? This is what my life will be from now on because I married a good guy who already had a kid.


Title: Thanks for sharing
Post by: Scatty on August 03, 2010, 12:05:23 PM
Not sure if this was posted yet.

http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2010/07/29/kyron-horman-case-considering-motives/ (http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2010/07/29/kyron-horman-case-considering-motives/)

I’m sharing this for a couple of reasons.  To show that there ARE stepparents out there who are not mature enough and not emotionally stable enough to be stepparents.  As a stepparent I can tell you that I take issue with anyone who wants to try to cast stepparents – in some blanket stereotypical fashion – as evil people.  I think a person is either bad or good – but not by label.  So there are bad parents (note Teghan’s mother, or Casey Anthony) just like there are bad stepparents.  But I also share this with you because I wonder…could this voice a possible motive behind Terri’s thinking – IF she was, in fact, involved in Kyron’s disappearance?  Read these words carefully and consider that question.

From this thread on “iVillage Garden Web:  The internet’s garden & home community” in the forum “Stepfamily”.  Thread title “Can’t accept my Stepson”.

http://www.thathomesite.com/forums/load/step/msg011826118329.html?60

Approximately 3/4’s of the way down the page a post by “stepmom2kids” posted on Saturday, March 13, 2010 at 18:35:

    I hate my step kid too. Its not pleasant to think of your husband with another woman making babies, much less having to care for them yourself as a free babysitter, and all the bull that comes with it. Out in the wild, hippos, lions and various other mammals will kill these offspring. I can’t stand my step kid, and he lives with us Frown
    Anyways, if I didn’t know him I’d say he’s a very sweet kid, that has a speech disorder/learning disorder, and as long as I wouldn’t have to be around him for extended periods of time, I’d like him, or be indifferent. But since he’s my step kid and I’m his main caretaker, I harbor a lot of resentment, that I worry may harm my health carrying all of this secret hate around, or that it will come around band bite me in the ass somehow later on. It is very unnatural having step kids, very unnatural to love them, it goes against nature is how it feels anyway.  I have often wished he’d get out of my life, but we can’t afford to pay child support and I have my own daughter to worry about. If we pay more than we can afford each month, how am I going to take care of my own daughter? That would agonize me much more than gritting my teeth everyday and enduring my stepson’s presence. I too would get up and do the gig if I only had to have him 3weeks out of the year. I used to wish that he would choke to death, and one day at a buffet it actually almost happened, man, did I regret that wish, I cried so much, I felt so sorry for his helpless little face as he chocked for air. I couldn’t have lived with the guilt if he’s dad wouldn’t of been there to save his life. Now I just wish he’d get abducted by aliens or something, Just kidding. He’s okay sometimes, but usually talks like a +++++ behind his years. I think he has some kind of learning disability that makes him very good with numbers, but a social +++++ (in my spiteful opinion). According to the dad he is a genius…Pff.. HAHA! What happened to me, I used to be nice, I still am a very nice person, it was normal for close friends to call me one of the nicest, accepting friends, accepting and befriending anyone for who they were. But being a step mom has brought out the worst in me, and is certainly the hardest thing I have ever had to do. I feel like Angelina Jolie in that movie where the police give her a kid that is not hers and he’s calling her “mom”, she throws a pan at the wall and shrieks, “I’m NOT YOUR MOTHER, DON’T CALL ME THAT!!!”. That’s what I want to do when he calls me mom. Instead I shutter inside, and on the outside, I smile sweetly and say, Yes? This is what my life will be from now on because I married a good guy who already had a kid.

Oh my! Thanks for sharing. Isn't it very coincidental--a bit much even? The woman is venting on iVillage GARDEN site, and TH claimed to love gardening; she has a stepson and she also has a daughter; wasn't it said that Kyron called her "Mom"?


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 03, 2010, 12:05:34 PM
Not sure if this was posted yet.

http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2010/07/29/kyron-horman-case-considering-motives/ (http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2010/07/29/kyron-horman-case-considering-motives/)

I’m sharing this for a couple of reasons.  To show that there ARE stepparents out there who are not mature enough and not emotionally stable enough to be stepparents.  As a stepparent I can tell you that I take issue with anyone who wants to try to cast stepparents – in some blanket stereotypical fashion – as evil people.  I think a person is either bad or good – but not by label.  So there are bad parents (note Teghan’s mother, or Casey Anthony) just like there are bad stepparents.  But I also share this with you because I wonder…could this voice a possible motive behind Terri’s thinking – IF she was, in fact, involved in Kyron’s disappearance?  Read these words carefully and consider that question.

From this thread on “iVillage Garden Web:  The internet’s garden & home community” in the forum “Stepfamily”.  Thread title “Can’t accept my Stepson”.

http://www.thathomesite.com/forums/load/step/msg011826118329.html?60

Approximately 3/4’s of the way down the page a post by “stepmom2kids” posted on Saturday, March 13, 2010 at 18:35:

    I hate my step kid too. Its not pleasant to think of your husband with another woman making babies, much less having to care for them yourself as a free babysitter, and all the bull that comes with it. Out in the wild, hippos, lions and various other mammals will kill these offspring. I can’t stand my step kid, and he lives with us Frown
    Anyways, if I didn’t know him I’d say he’s a very sweet kid, that has a speech disorder/learning disorder, and as long as I wouldn’t have to be around him for extended periods of time, I’d like him, or be indifferent. But since he’s my step kid and I’m his main caretaker, I harbor a lot of resentment, that I worry may harm my health carrying all of this secret hate around, or that it will come around band bite me in the ass somehow later on. It is very unnatural having step kids, very unnatural to love them, it goes against nature is how it feels anyway.  I have often wished he’d get out of my life, but we can’t afford to pay child support and I have my own daughter to worry about. If we pay more than we can afford each month, how am I going to take care of my own daughter? That would agonize me much more than gritting my teeth everyday and enduring my stepson’s presence. I too would get up and do the gig if I only had to have him 3weeks out of the year. I used to wish that he would choke to death, and one day at a buffet it actually almost happened, man, did I regret that wish, I cried so much, I felt so sorry for his helpless little face as he chocked for air. I couldn’t have lived with the guilt if he’s dad wouldn’t of been there to save his life. Now I just wish he’d get abducted by aliens or something, Just kidding. He’s okay sometimes, but usually talks like a +++++ behind his years. I think he has some kind of learning disability that makes him very good with numbers, but a social +++++ (in my spiteful opinion). According to the dad he is a genius…Pff.. HAHA! What happened to me, I used to be nice, I still am a very nice person, it was normal for close friends to call me one of the nicest, accepting friends, accepting and befriending anyone for who they were. But being a step mom has brought out the worst in me, and is certainly the hardest thing I have ever had to do. I feel like Angelina Jolie in that movie where the police give her a kid that is not hers and he’s calling her “mom”, she throws a pan at the wall and shrieks, “I’m NOT YOUR MOTHER, DON’T CALL ME THAT!!!”. That’s what I want to do when he calls me mom. Instead I shutter inside, and on the outside, I smile sweetly and say, Yes? This is what my life will be from now on because I married a good guy who already had a kid.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: mediamama on August 03, 2010, 12:06:19 PM
Not sure if this was posted yet.

http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2010/07/29/kyron-horman-case-considering-motives/ (http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2010/07/29/kyron-horman-case-considering-motives/)

I’m sharing this for a couple of reasons.  To show that there ARE stepparents out there who are not mature enough and not emotionally stable enough to be stepparents.  As a stepparent I can tell you that I take issue with anyone who wants to try to cast stepparents – in some blanket stereotypical fashion – as evil people.  I think a person is either bad or good – but not by label.  So there are bad parents (note Teghan’s mother, or Casey Anthony) just like there are bad stepparents.  But I also share this with you because I wonder…could this voice a possible motive behind Terri’s thinking – IF she was, in fact, involved in Kyron’s disappearance?  Read these words carefully and consider that question.

From this thread on “iVillage Garden Web:  The internet’s garden & home community” in the forum “Stepfamily”.  Thread title “Can’t accept my Stepson”.

http://www.thathomesite.com/forums/load/step/msg011826118329.html?60

Approximately 3/4’s of the way down the page a post by “stepmom2kids” posted on Saturday, March 13, 2010 at 18:35:

    I hate my step kid too. Its not pleasant to think of your husband with another woman making babies, much less having to care for them yourself as a free babysitter, and all the bull that comes with it. Out in the wild, hippos, lions and various other mammals will kill these offspring. I can’t stand my step kid, and he lives with us Frown
    Anyways, if I didn’t know him I’d say he’s a very sweet kid, that has a speech disorder/learning disorder, and as long as I wouldn’t have to be around him for extended periods of time, I’d like him, or be indifferent. But since he’s my step kid and I’m his main caretaker, I harbor a lot of resentment, that I worry may harm my health carrying all of this secret hate around, or that it will come around band bite me in the ass somehow later on. It is very unnatural having step kids, very unnatural to love them, it goes against nature is how it feels anyway.  I have often wished he’d get out of my life, but we can’t afford to pay child support and I have my own daughter to worry about. If we pay more than we can afford each month, how am I going to take care of my own daughter? That would agonize me much more than gritting my teeth everyday and enduring my stepson’s presence. I too would get up and do the gig if I only had to have him 3weeks out of the year. I used to wish that he would choke to death, and one day at a buffet it actually almost happened, man, did I regret that wish, I cried so much, I felt so sorry for his helpless little face as he chocked for air. I couldn’t have lived with the guilt if he’s dad wouldn’t of been there to save his life. Now I just wish he’d get abducted by aliens or something, Just kidding. He’s okay sometimes, but usually talks like a +++++ behind his years. I think he has some kind of learning disability that makes him very good with numbers, but a social +++++ (in my spiteful opinion). According to the dad he is a genius…Pff.. HAHA! What happened to me, I used to be nice, I still am a very nice person, it was normal for close friends to call me one of the nicest, accepting friends, accepting and befriending anyone for who they were. But being a step mom has brought out the worst in me, and is certainly the hardest thing I have ever had to do. I feel like Angelina Jolie in that movie where the police give her a kid that is not hers and he’s calling her “mom”, she throws a pan at the wall and shrieks, “I’m NOT YOUR MOTHER, DON’T CALL ME THAT!!!”. That’s what I want to do when he calls me mom. Instead I shutter inside, and on the outside, I smile sweetly and say, Yes? This is what my life will be from now on because I married a good guy who already had a kid.

I saw that too.  Maybe it is because I am relatively new to these boards and haven't closely followed many cases, but I am absolutely dumbstruck when I realize that there are adults - caring for CHILDREN!! - out there who feel that way. The ultimate in self-centered, selfish thinking....disgusting, and is an incredible injustice to those of us stepmoms who love and care for our stepchildren as our own!


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Scatty on August 03, 2010, 12:09:55 PM
I still think it may have been TH on the iVillage Garden site. She's not stupid. I think she would have changed enough facts or added enough fiction to make it seem that it wasn't her.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: melisb on August 03, 2010, 12:11:19 PM
Not sure if this was posted yet.

http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2010/07/29/kyron-horman-case-considering-motives/ (http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2010/07/29/kyron-horman-case-considering-motives/)

I’m sharing this for a couple of reasons.  To show that there ARE stepparents out there who are not mature enough and not emotionally stable enough to be stepparents.  As a stepparent I can tell you that I take issue with anyone who wants to try to cast stepparents – in some blanket stereotypical fashion – as evil people.  I think a person is either bad or good – but not by label.  So there are bad parents (note Teghan’s mother, or Casey Anthony) just like there are bad stepparents.  But I also share this with you because I wonder…could this voice a possible motive behind Terri’s thinking – IF she was, in fact, involved in Kyron’s disappearance?  Read these words carefully and consider that question.

From this thread on “iVillage Garden Web:  The internet’s garden & home community” in the forum “Stepfamily”.  Thread title “Can’t accept my Stepson”.

http://www.thathomesite.com/forums/load/step/msg011826118329.html?60

Approximately 3/4’s of the way down the page a post by “stepmom2kids” posted on Saturday, March 13, 2010 at 18:35:

    I hate my step kid too. Its not pleasant to think of your husband with another woman making babies, much less having to care for them yourself as a free babysitter, and all the bull that comes with it. Out in the wild, hippos, lions and various other mammals will kill these offspring. I can’t stand my step kid, and he lives with us Frown
    Anyways, if I didn’t know him I’d say he’s a very sweet kid, that has a speech disorder/learning disorder, and as long as I wouldn’t have to be around him for extended periods of time, I’d like him, or be indifferent. But since he’s my step kid and I’m his main caretaker, I harbor a lot of resentment, that I worry may harm my health carrying all of this secret hate around, or that it will come around band bite me in the ass somehow later on. It is very unnatural having step kids, very unnatural to love them, it goes against nature is how it feels anyway.  I have often wished he’d get out of my life, but we can’t afford to pay child support and I have my own daughter to worry about. If we pay more than we can afford each month, how am I going to take care of my own daughter? That would agonize me much more than gritting my teeth everyday and enduring my stepson’s presence. I too would get up and do the gig if I only had to have him 3weeks out of the year. I used to wish that he would choke to death, and one day at a buffet it actually almost happened, man, did I regret that wish, I cried so much, I felt so sorry for his helpless little face as he chocked for air. I couldn’t have lived with the guilt if he’s dad wouldn’t of been there to save his life. Now I just wish he’d get abducted by aliens or something, Just kidding. He’s okay sometimes, but usually talks like a +++++ behind his years. I think he has some kind of learning disability that makes him very good with numbers, but a social +++++ (in my spiteful opinion). According to the dad he is a genius…Pff.. HAHA! What happened to me, I used to be nice, I still am a very nice person, it was normal for close friends to call me one of the nicest, accepting friends, accepting and befriending anyone for who they were. But being a step mom has brought out the worst in me, and is certainly the hardest thing I have ever had to do. I feel like Angelina Jolie in that movie where the police give her a kid that is not hers and he’s calling her “mom”, she throws a pan at the wall and shrieks, “I’m NOT YOUR MOTHER, DON’T CALL ME THAT!!!”. That’s what I want to do when he calls me mom. Instead I shutter inside, and on the outside, I smile sweetly and say, Yes? This is what my life will be from now on because I married a good guy who already had a kid.


OMG!!!!!!!!!  I can't fight back the tears!!!  I want to find this poor child and hold him.  You know he can feel the dishonesty coming from her.  It's hard to hate someone and not give off that vibe.  Children are very sensitive.  I only hope that the 'good' man she married wakes up and kicks her A-- to the curb.  I bet he doesn't treat her child like that.  This woman prolly talks bad about the little boy to her own daughter.  In time this will bite her on her ass I hope.  When her daughter gets mad one day she just may say something to the boy that should never come out and then maybe his dad will see the light.  I only hope TH wasn't feeling this way about Kyron.  I want to believe she really loves him.  These poor children. I could never post something like this because of karma and I couldn't treat a child like that anyway.  Crazy biotch. 


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 03, 2010, 12:18:54 PM
According to "Sources" ... Terri Horman's motive behind the cell phone issue was to "avoid investigators' scrutiny".

Janet

+++++


Stepmom's friends scrutinized as investigators comb through 3,500 tips in Kyron Horman case
Published: Monday, August 02, 2010, 2:52 PM
Updated: Monday, August 02, 2010, 10:27 PM


Investigators have been focusing on Terri Moulton Horman's close circle of friends after learning that one of them obtained new cell phones for her so she could avoid investigators' scrutiny after becoming the focus of the inquiry into the disappearance of her 7-year-old stepson.

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/08/multnomah_county_shericomb_thr.html



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Lynnie76 on August 03, 2010, 12:21:42 PM
I used to be a special ed teacher.  This child sounds like he is autistic.  He could be both "a genius" and a socially inept difficult child to raise.  This stepmom and her husband need-information, support, diagnosis, and behavioral treatment.  If this stepmom could understand this child it could improve the situation.  How sad.

I don't know if I'm placing this right.  Usually just lurk but I can't let this go by.

Not sure if this was posted yet.

http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2010/07/29/kyron-horman-case-considering-motives/ (http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2010/07/29/kyron-horman-case-considering-motives/)

I’m sharing this for a couple of reasons.  To show that there ARE stepparents out there who are not mature enough and not emotionally stable enough to be stepparents.  As a stepparent I can tell you that I take issue with anyone who wants to try to cast stepparents – in some blanket stereotypical fashion – as evil people.  I think a person is either bad or good – but not by label.  So there are bad parents (note Teghan’s mother, or Casey Anthony) just like there are bad stepparents.  But I also share this with you because I wonder…could this voice a possible motive behind Terri’s thinking – IF she was, in fact, involved in Kyron’s disappearance?  Read these words carefully and consider that question.

From this thread on “iVillage Garden Web:  The internet’s garden & home community” in the forum “Stepfamily”.  Thread title “Can’t accept my Stepson”.

http://www.thathomesite.com/forums/load/step/msg011826118329.html?60

Approximately 3/4’s of the way down the page a post by “stepmom2kids” posted on Saturday, March 13, 2010 at 18:35:

    I hate my step kid too. Its not pleasant to think of your husband with another woman making babies, much less having to care for them yourself as a free babysitter, and all the bull that comes with it. Out in the wild, hippos, lions and various other mammals will kill these offspring. I can’t stand my step kid, and he lives with us Frown
    Anyways, if I didn’t know him I’d say he’s a very sweet kid, that has a speech disorder/learning disorder, and as long as I wouldn’t have to be around him for extended periods of time, I’d like him, or be indifferent. But since he’s my step kid and I’m his main caretaker, I harbor a lot of resentment, that I worry may harm my health carrying all of this secret hate around, or that it will come around band bite me in the ass somehow later on. It is very unnatural having step kids, very unnatural to love them, it goes against nature is how it feels anyway.  I have often wished he’d get out of my life, but we can’t afford to pay child support and I have my own daughter to worry about. If we pay more than we can afford each month, how am I going to take care of my own daughter? That would agonize me much more than gritting my teeth everyday and enduring my stepson’s presence. I too would get up and do the gig if I only had to have him 3weeks out of the year. I used to wish that he would choke to death, and one day at a buffet it actually almost happened, man, did I regret that wish, I cried so much, I felt so sorry for his helpless little face as he chocked for air. I couldn’t have lived with the guilt if he’s dad wouldn’t of been there to save his life. Now I just wish he’d get abducted by aliens or something, Just kidding. He’s okay sometimes, but usually talks like a +++++ behind his years. I think he has some kind of learning disability that makes him very good with numbers, but a social +++++ (in my spiteful opinion). According to the dad he is a genius…Pff.. HAHA! What happened to me, I used to be nice, I still am a very nice person, it was normal for close friends to call me one of the nicest, accepting friends, accepting and befriending anyone for who they were. But being a step mom has brought out the worst in me, and is certainly the hardest thing I have ever had to do. I feel like Angelina Jolie in that movie where the police give her a kid that is not hers and he’s calling her “mom”, she throws a pan at the wall and shrieks, “I’m NOT YOUR MOTHER, DON’T CALL ME THAT!!!”. That’s what I want to do when he calls me mom. Instead I shutter inside, and on the outside, I smile sweetly and say, Yes? This is what my life will be from now on because I married a good guy who already had a kid.

I saw that too.  Maybe it is because I am relatively new to these boards and haven't closely followed many cases, but I am absolutely dumbstruck when I realize that there are adults - caring for CHILDREN!! - out there who feel that way. The ultimate in self-centered, selfish thinking....disgusting, and is an incredible injustice to those of us stepmoms who love and care for our stepchildren as our own!
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Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: cw618 on August 03, 2010, 12:32:55 PM
According to "Sources" ... Terri Horman's motive behind the cell phone issue was to "avoid investigators' scrutiny".

Janet

+++++


Stepmom's friends scrutinized as investigators comb through 3,500 tips in Kyron Horman case
Published: Monday, August 02, 2010, 2:52 PM
Updated: Monday, August 02, 2010, 10:27 PM


Investigators have been focusing on Terri Moulton Horman's close circle of friends after learning that one of them obtained new cell phones for her so she could avoid investigators' scrutiny after becoming the focus of the inquiry into the disappearance of her 7-year-old stepson.

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/08/multnomah_county_shericomb_thr.html



i just dont think TH that stupid, LE would just get the phone co. records again and again
however many times they had to, i think TH just wanted another phone


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: can on August 03, 2010, 12:36:46 PM
I wonder if Kyron ever had a choking incident at a restaurant?

The resentment that person feels for this child is palpable and scary.

I agree with poster that said, children know when they are not cared for...how awful for this poor child. 

IMO most step-Moms love the children in their care.  It's so easy to love a child. 
It's crap that it isn't natural to love a child you didn't birth.  Comparing to the laws of the jungle...disgusting, amoral, monstrous.   ::MonkeyMad::

I wish this child could be identified.  This is a sure case for child protective services.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: mariloo on August 03, 2010, 12:41:32 PM
Good morning peeps....

As much as many of us would like to see Terri brought in and made to talk, that isn't possible under the law.  A person doesn't even have to talk to LE at all and certainly not implicate themselves.  We don't have to take lie detector tests if we don't want to and our homes and persons can't be searched unless a judge issues a warrant on probable cause. The Fifth Amendment of the US Constitution prevents our being forced to testify against ourselves in court and out of court you don't have to say a word if you don't want to.

I'm glad the law protects us in this way, but it is frustrating as in this case that there is no legal way to force Terri to divulge what she knows, DeDe as well.  But it prevents us being put on the rack as in medieval times to torture the truth (or not) our of us.

I don't know what kind of person kill a child and/or help secrete the body, but even that kind of person can't be forced to talk. The law protects us all equally.  Well, it is supposed to, but recently I have seen civil cases where Federal judges ignore US law and the Constitution in their rulings.



Our so called Constitution has been so riddled with exceptions and loopholes to protect the criminal minds, that we have to spend millions proving a case now for Goodness sake now, let us not impede the ongoing life of the suspects.  I am still so pizzed about this.  I know what you are trying to say but I wonder how you would feel if this was your child, God forbid.  I'm just sayin............


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: cw618 on August 03, 2010, 12:41:38 PM
i thought LE had seached that area early on
on the bing map the road runs out an 2 homes at the end of road
if TH did do something to kyron, prob be close by, a less populated road
http://tinyurl.com/3xuasbo


[quote:Jonesr(OP) 1056623]


Crazy like a fox,
I think Kyron is on bishop road


how long did that trip from school to Bishops road take??

Minutes, less than ten would cover the entire length
[/quote]
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1141412/pg113


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: sassifrass on August 03, 2010, 12:43:15 PM
I wonder if Kyron ever had a choking incident at a restaurant?

The resentment that person feels for this child is palpable and scary.

I agree with poster that said, children know when they are not cared for...how awful for this poor child. 

IMO most step-Moms love the children in their care.  It's so easy to love a child. 
It's crap that it isn't natural to love a child you didn't birth.  Comparing to the laws of the jungle...disgusting, amoral, monstrous.   ::MonkeyMad::

I wish this child could be identified.  This is a sure case for child protective services.

http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2010/07/29/kyron-horman-case-considering-motives/ (http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2010/07/29/kyron-horman-case-considering-motives/)

Okay, you can probably immediately see why I emailed in questions to be submitted to Kaine Horman on this.  A stepmother with a small daughter “putting up with” her stepson and voicing hatred and wishes of him choking to death….kind of set off sirens for me.  So I submitted the following questions (in so many words):

1.  Did Kyron have a speech impediment, but more importantly did Terri ever say SHE thought he had one?

2.  Was there ever an incident in which the family was out at a buffet, Kyron choked, and Kaine had to assist him in order to help him stop choking?

The answer came back “No to both.”


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: can on August 03, 2010, 12:46:08 PM
I used to be a special ed teacher.  This child sounds like he is autistic.  He could be both "a genius" and a socially inept difficult child to raise.  This stepmom and her husband need-information, support, diagnosis, and behavioral treatment.  If this stepmom could understand this child it could improve the situation.  How sad.

I don't know if I'm placing this right.  Usually just lurk but I can't let this go by.

Not sure if this was posted yet.

http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2010/07/29/kyron-horman-case-considering-motives/ (http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2010/07/29/kyron-horman-case-considering-motives/)

I’m sharing this for a couple of reasons.  To show that there ARE stepparents out there who are not mature enough and not emotionally stable enough to be stepparents.  As a stepparent I can tell you that I take issue with anyone who wants to try to cast stepparents – in some blanket stereotypical fashion – as evil people.  I think a person is either bad or good – but not by label.  So there are bad parents (note Teghan’s mother, or Casey Anthony) just like there are bad stepparents.  But I also share this with you because I wonder…could this voice a possible motive behind Terri’s thinking – IF she was, in fact, involved in Kyron’s disappearance?  Read these words carefully and consider that question.

From this thread on “iVillage Garden Web:  The internet’s garden & home community” in the forum “Stepfamily”.  Thread title “Can’t accept my Stepson”.

http://www.thathomesite.com/forums/load/step/msg011826118329.html?60

Approximately 3/4’s of the way down the page a post by “stepmom2kids” posted on Saturday, March 13, 2010 at 18:35:

    I hate my step kid too. Its not pleasant to think of your husband with another woman making babies, much less having to care for them yourself as a free babysitter, and all the bull that comes with it. Out in the wild, hippos, lions and various other mammals will kill these offspring. I can’t stand my step kid, and he lives with us Frown
    Anyways, if I didn’t know him I’d say he’s a very sweet kid, that has a speech disorder/learning disorder, and as long as I wouldn’t have to be around him for extended periods of time, I’d like him, or be indifferent. But since he’s my step kid and I’m his main caretaker, I harbor a lot of resentment, that I worry may harm my health carrying all of this secret hate around, or that it will come around band bite me in the ass somehow later on. It is very unnatural having step kids, very unnatural to love them, it goes against nature is how it feels anyway.  I have often wished he’d get out of my life, but we can’t afford to pay child support and I have my own daughter to worry about. If we pay more than we can afford each month, how am I going to take care of my own daughter? That would agonize me much more than gritting my teeth everyday and enduring my stepson’s presence. I too would get up and do the gig if I only had to have him 3weeks out of the year. I used to wish that he would choke to death, and one day at a buffet it actually almost happened, man, did I regret that wish, I cried so much, I felt so sorry for his helpless little face as he chocked for air. I couldn’t have lived with the guilt if he’s dad wouldn’t of been there to save his life. Now I just wish he’d get abducted by aliens or something, Just kidding. He’s okay sometimes, but usually talks like a +++++ behind his years. I think he has some kind of learning disability that makes him very good with numbers, but a social +++++ (in my spiteful opinion). According to the dad he is a genius…Pff.. HAHA! What happened to me, I used to be nice, I still am a very nice person, it was normal for close friends to call me one of the nicest, accepting friends, accepting and befriending anyone for who they were. But being a step mom has brought out the worst in me, and is certainly the hardest thing I have ever had to do. I feel like Angelina Jolie in that movie where the police give her a kid that is not hers and he’s calling her “mom”, she throws a pan at the wall and shrieks, “I’m NOT YOUR MOTHER, DON’T CALL ME THAT!!!”. That’s what I want to do when he calls me mom. Instead I shutter inside, and on the outside, I smile sweetly and say, Yes? This is what my life will be from now on because I married a good guy who already had a kid.

I saw that too.  Maybe it is because I am relatively new to these boards and haven't closely followed many cases, but I am absolutely dumbstruck when I realize that there are adults - caring for CHILDREN!! - out there who feel that way. The ultimate in self-centered, selfish thinking....disgusting, and is an incredible injustice to those of us stepmoms who love and care for our stepchildren as our own!
[/quote

Hi Lynnie.  We have monkey parents of autistic kids.  Maybe they will weigh in.
Further that youngster might not be able to verbalize his feelings.  I expect they might be ambiguous as he feels the resentment then when she puts on her act in front of her husband, friends and family he would become confused.  How very, very sad for this little child.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Babybear on August 03, 2010, 12:48:06 PM
I've never been a stepmother, but have some ideas about it.  When a woman marries a man or vice versa who has children, it should not come as a big surprise that those children will always be his and you will be a stepmother.  It is likely that a divorce or parent's death was very traumatic for the children and it seems to me it is the duty of all adults who have contact with children, not only step parents, to treat them with respect and love.  A step mother, IMO, has special responsibilities toward her husband's children.  Since she voluntarilly entered the marriage, she should have been prepared to love and care for the child or children as if they were her own.  After all, they are the children of the man she is supposed to love, so how could she not love them?  I know that in many cases the children have resentment toward the stepmother, but the stepmother should do all in her power to help them through this and establish a loving and nurturing relationship.

All of that may be naive, since I have no personal experience with step parenting, but I would hope it's true.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Wyks on August 03, 2010, 12:48:40 PM

OMG!!!!!!!!!  I can't fight back the tears!!!  I want to find this poor child and hold him.  You know he can feel the dishonesty coming from her.  It's hard to hate someone and not give off that vibe.  Children are very sensitive.  I only hope that the 'good' man she married wakes up and kicks her A-- to the curb.  I bet he doesn't treat her child like that.  This woman prolly talks bad about the little boy to her own daughter.  In time this will bite her on her ass I hope.  When her daughter gets mad one day she just may say something to the boy that should never come out and then maybe his dad will see the light.  I only hope TH wasn't feeling this way about Kyron.  I want to believe she really loves him.  These poor children. I could never post something like this because of karma and I couldn't treat a child like that anyway.  Crazy biotch. 

Me too, melis.   ::MonkeyTears::  Children can sense the feelings coming from their caregivers.  This very likely would be a child who lives to please others, in the hopes of finally, one day, being 'good enough' to be liked, let alone.. loved.  And if they cannot ever seem to please?  Do enough in the 'right way'?  They often become invisible, hang back, hesitant, trying not to rock the boat.  Even while attention is turned toward them, they can 'appear' to be happy, carefree.  Some/most of those smiles are not real, the smiles do not reach their eyes.  For the moment of the pic, perhaps they do feel joy, that finally someone looks their way. 

I see in Kyron an invisible child in the making, at least happy/joyous at moments when the cam is turned in his direction.  The apple of daddy's eye, yet seemingly less and less so, until a lil replacement came along, then not so much at all.  One only need look at the pic albums.  In most pics he's either very much alone, rarely with lil friends, sometimes with his bro, apart from or trailing behind Terri, not joyfully leaping ahead or snuggled up next to her.   Seemingly not 'good enough'... invisible.   And my heart breaks for him.   

 ::MonkeyTears::



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: can on August 03, 2010, 12:49:56 PM
I wonder if Kyron ever had a choking incident at a restaurant?

The resentment that person feels for this child is palpable and scary.

I agree with poster that said, children know when they are not cared for...how awful for this poor child. 

IMO most step-Moms love the children in their care.  It's so easy to love a child. 
It's crap that it isn't natural to love a child you didn't birth.  Comparing to the laws of the jungle...disgusting, amoral, monstrous.   ::MonkeyMad::

I wish this child could be identified.  This is a sure case for child protective services.

http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2010/07/29/kyron-horman-case-considering-motives/ (http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2010/07/29/kyron-horman-case-considering-motives/)

Okay, you can probably immediately see why I emailed in questions to be submitted to Kaine Horman on this.  A stepmother with a small daughter “putting up with” her stepson and voicing hatred and wishes of him choking to death….kind of set off sirens for me.  So I submitted the following questions (in so many words):

1.  Did Kyron have a speech impediment, but more importantly did Terri ever say SHE thought he had one?

2.  Was there ever an incident in which the family was out at a buffet, Kyron choked, and Kaine had to assist him in order to help him stop choking?

The answer came back “No to both.”


I certainly can see why sassifrass, thank you.   ::MonkeyAngel::

My heart goes out to this unknown child.   


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Scatty on August 03, 2010, 12:51:06 PM
I wonder if Kyron ever had a choking incident at a restaurant?

The resentment that person feels for this child is palpable and scary.

I agree with poster that said, children know when they are not cared for...how awful for this poor child. 

IMO most step-Moms love the children in their care.  It's so easy to love a child. 
It's crap that it isn't natural to love a child you didn't birth.  Comparing to the laws of the jungle...disgusting, amoral, monstrous.   ::MonkeyMad::

I wish this child could be identified.  This is a sure case for child protective services.

http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2010/07/29/kyron-horman-case-considering-motives/ (http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2010/07/29/kyron-horman-case-considering-motives/)

Okay, you can probably immediately see why I emailed in questions to be submitted to Kaine Horman on this.  A stepmother with a small daughter “putting up with” her stepson and voicing hatred and wishes of him choking to death….kind of set off sirens for me.  So I submitted the following questions (in so many words):

1.  Did Kyron have a speech impediment, but more importantly did Terri ever say SHE thought he had one?

2.  Was there ever an incident in which the family was out at a buffet, Kyron choked, and Kaine had to assist him in order to help him stop choking?

The answer came back “No to both.”


Upon reading the comments section at Hinkymeter, a poster, Just Me, said it much better than I could about it possibly being TH on the iVillage Garden Web. It explains why Kaine's responses to the questions put to him might not be relevant.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Wyks on August 03, 2010, 12:52:22 PM

Hi Lynnie76, and welcome!   ::HelloKitty::



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Lucky7 on August 03, 2010, 12:52:53 PM
I wonder if Kyron ever had a choking incident at a restaurant?

The resentment that person feels for this child is palpable and scary.

I agree with poster that said, children know when they are not cared for...how awful for this poor child. 

IMO most step-Moms love the children in their care.  It's so easy to love a child. 
It's crap that it isn't natural to love a child you didn't birth.  Comparing to the laws of the jungle...disgusting, amoral, monstrous.   ::MonkeyMad::

I wish this child could be identified.  This is a sure case for child protective services.

http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2010/07/29/kyron-horman-case-considering-motives/ (http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2010/07/29/kyron-horman-case-considering-motives/)

Okay, you can probably immediately see why I emailed in questions to be submitted to Kaine Horman on this.  A stepmother with a small daughter “putting up with” her stepson and voicing hatred and wishes of him choking to death….kind of set off sirens for me.  So I submitted the following questions (in so many words):

1.  Did Kyron have a speech impediment, but more importantly did Terri ever say SHE thought he had one?

2.  Was there ever an incident in which the family was out at a buffet, Kyron choked, and Kaine had to assist him in order to help him stop choking?

The answer came back “No to both.”

video Kyron speaking at school http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kuEgFMWh_So


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: can on August 03, 2010, 12:56:11 PM
I've never been a stepmother, but have some ideas about it.  When a woman marries a man or vice versa who has children, it should not come as a big surprise that those children will always be his and you will be a stepmother.  It is likely that a divorce or parent's death was very traumatic for the children and it seems to me it is the duty of all adults who have contact with children, not only step parents, to treat them with respect and love.  A step mother, IMO, has special responsibilities toward her husband's children.  Since she voluntarilly entered the marriage, she should have been prepared to love and care for the child or children as if they were her own.  After all, they are the children of the man she is supposed to love, so how could she not love them?  I know that in many cases the children have resentment toward the stepmother, but the stepmother should do all in her power to help them through this and establish a loving and nurturing relationship.

All of that may be naive, since I have no personal experience with step parenting, but I would hope it's true.

I agree babybear!  Sure there will always be issues but hopefully it isn't often they are as serious as this.

The child was there first imo and if one feels insecure about taking up with
a partner with kids - back off!

Hopefully parents who have custody of their children are super alert to those they bring into their relationship.



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Wyks on August 03, 2010, 01:10:24 PM

Just reading that step-mother's post makes me appreciate even more those step-parents who gather their step-children to their heart, loving them, not having to, but doing it anyway.  Some in fact, to the point that they seem to be the birth-parents themselves.  I wish with all my heart that little one in the above step-mother's "care", could be removed for his own good and well-being, lest he end up like Kyron someday.  Sigh.  Why does it take something horrible to happen before a gov't agency will act?  Whatever happened to 'preventive care'?  Funding?  Lack of or overworked staff?  And the lives of children everywhere hang in the balance.   ::MonkeyTears::







Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on August 03, 2010, 01:15:56 PM
i thought LE had seached that area early on
on the bing map the road runs out an 2 homes at the end of road
if TH did do something to kyron, prob be close by, a less populated road
http://tinyurl.com/3xuasbo


[quote:Jonesr(OP) 1056623]


Crazy like a fox,
I think Kyron is on bishop road


how long did that trip from school to Bishops road take??

Minutes, less than ten would cover the entire length
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1141412/pg113
[/quote]I can't remember, the two homes at the end of the road, is this where the man was talking about a truck that came by two times and he thought that was very unusual?


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 03, 2010, 01:16:47 PM
According to "Sources" ... Terri Horman's motive behind the cell phone issue was to "avoid investigators' scrutiny".

Janet

+++++


Stepmom's friends scrutinized as investigators comb through 3,500 tips in Kyron Horman case
Published: Monday, August 02, 2010, 2:52 PM
Updated: Monday, August 02, 2010, 10:27 PM


Investigators have been focusing on Terri Moulton Horman's close circle of friends after learning that one of them obtained new cell phones for her so she could avoid investigators' scrutiny after becoming the focus of the inquiry into the disappearance of her 7-year-old stepson.

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/08/multnomah_county_shericomb_thr.html



i just dont think TH that stupid, LE would just get the phone co. records again and again
however many times they had to, i think TH just wanted another phone

You could be right.

However ... could the "friend" have revealed to investigators the reason behind the purchase of the new cells.

Think about it.  Terri was aware that her cell phone implicated her in untruths in regards to her statement to investigators regarding her whereabouts on the morning of June 4, 2010.

I would like to know.  Can cell phones be purchase with prepaid minutes ... cell phones where there are no record of activity?

Tamikosmom and hubby have not yet bowed in regards to a cell phone but ... I believe the writing is on the wall.  Our hardwired phone with a mile long coiled cord as well as ... a few extention phones throughout the house ... has sufficed so far.  Hubby was presented with cell with prepaid minutes by daughter last year prior to us taking the grandkids for a mini-vacation on the boat.  To this day it remains unused.  I took one look at all those tiny keys ... determined I needed course as well as new specs and ... placed the cute little shiny red device back into the waterproof container.  Marina payphones was where it was at for updating Mom and Dad each evening.

Janet

+++++

Dateline NBC puts story of missing Kyron in national eye
Published: Monday, July 26, 2010, 11:17 PM
Updated: Tuesday, July 27, 2010, 4:26 PM


And Medford Police Detective Tony Young, Kyron's stepfather, offered his take on the what happened June 4, the day Kyron was last reported seen.

Young said he suspected Moulton Horman early on, when he was explaining to the family how their privacy would disappear as detective proceeded with their investigation.

“She instantly started to express some displeasure at that, feeling like she was being persecuted,” he said. “I thought that was an unusual reaction so early.”

For Young, “strike two” came when investigators told him cell phone records belied Moulton Horman's timeline of where she was the day Kyron disappeared.

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/07/dateline_nbc_highlights_puts_s.html




Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on August 03, 2010, 01:22:55 PM
Janet I'm not sure about the answers to your cell phone questions, I just remember the Anthonys were fooling around with different phones also. Cell phones with prepaid minutes, think there are, but not sure.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: O4Bull on August 03, 2010, 01:24:48 PM
Not sure if this was posted yet.

http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2010/07/29/kyron-horman-case-considering-motives/ (http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2010/07/29/kyron-horman-case-considering-motives/)

I’m sharing this for a couple of reasons.  To show that there ARE stepparents out there who are not mature enough and not emotionally stable enough to be stepparents.  As a stepparent I can tell you that I take issue with anyone who wants to try to cast stepparents – in some blanket stereotypical fashion – as evil people.  I think a person is either bad or good – but not by label.  So there are bad parents (note Teghan’s mother, or Casey Anthony) just like there are bad stepparents.  But I also share this with you because I wonder…could this voice a possible motive behind Terri’s thinking – IF she was, in fact, involved in Kyron’s disappearance?  Read these words carefully and consider that question.

From this thread on “iVillage Garden Web:  The internet’s garden & home community” in the forum “Stepfamily”.  Thread title “Can’t accept my Stepson”.

http://www.thathomesite.com/forums/load/step/msg011826118329.html?60

Approximately 3/4’s of the way down the page a post by “stepmom2kids” posted on Saturday, March 13, 2010 at 18:35:

    I hate my step kid too. Its not pleasant to think of your husband with another woman making babies, much less having to care for them yourself as a free babysitter, and all the bull that comes with it. Out in the wild, hippos, lions and various other mammals will kill these offspring. I can’t stand my step kid, and he lives with us Frown
    Anyways, if I didn’t know him I’d say he’s a very sweet kid, that has a speech disorder/learning disorder, and as long as I wouldn’t have to be around him for extended periods of time, I’d like him, or be indifferent. But since he’s my step kid and I’m his main caretaker, I harbor a lot of resentment, that I worry may harm my health carrying all of this secret hate around, or that it will come around band bite me in the ass somehow later on. It is very unnatural having step kids, very unnatural to love them, it goes against nature is how it feels anyway.  I have often wished he’d get out of my life, but we can’t afford to pay child support and I have my own daughter to worry about. If we pay more than we can afford each month, how am I going to take care of my own daughter? That would agonize me much more than gritting my teeth everyday and enduring my stepson’s presence. I too would get up and do the gig if I only had to have him 3weeks out of the year. I used to wish that he would choke to death, and one day at a buffet it actually almost happened, man, did I regret that wish, I cried so much, I felt so sorry for his helpless little face as he chocked for air. I couldn’t have lived with the guilt if he’s dad wouldn’t of been there to save his life. Now I just wish he’d get abducted by aliens or something, Just kidding. He’s okay sometimes, but usually talks like a +++++ behind his years. I think he has some kind of learning disability that makes him very good with numbers, but a social +++++ (in my spiteful opinion). According to the dad he is a genius…Pff.. HAHA! What happened to me, I used to be nice, I still am a very nice person, it was normal for close friends to call me one of the nicest, accepting friends, accepting and befriending anyone for who they were. But being a step mom has brought out the worst in me, and is certainly the hardest thing I have ever had to do. I feel like Angelina Jolie in that movie where the police give her a kid that is not hers and he’s calling her “mom”, she throws a pan at the wall and shrieks, “I’m NOT YOUR MOTHER, DON’T CALL ME THAT!!!”. That’s what I want to do when he calls me mom. Instead I shutter inside, and on the outside, I smile sweetly and say, Yes? This is what my life will be from now on because I married a good guy who already had a kid.
all I have to say about the author of that post is that she is an evil bitch and I wish somehow her husband would be forced to read that post, then kick her sorry ass out of his house (or feed her antifreeze in her gatorade) she wished he'd choke to death? and she thinks she's a nice person? omg, that just burns me up  ::MonkeyMad::  I am not a stepparent, but I hope and pray she is not the Norm when it comes to stepparents.  Her husband must also be a dumbass.  Poor kid.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: cw618 on August 03, 2010, 01:25:00 PM
i thought LE had seached that area early on
on the bing map the road runs out an 2 homes at the end of road
if TH did do something to kyron, prob be close by, a less populated road
http://tinyurl.com/3xuasbo


[quote:Jonesr(OP) 1056623]


Crazy like a fox,
I think Kyron is on bishop road


how long did that trip from school to Bishops road take??

Minutes, less than ten would cover the entire length
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1141412/pg113
I can't remember, the two homes at the end of the road, is this where the man was talking about a truck that came by two times and he thought that was very unusual?[/quote]

not sure anymore, i thought that guy was near RR track, maybe the guy who saw
a white truck with redhead women, and thought it was his buddy,was that near bishop


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on August 03, 2010, 01:27:44 PM
i thought LE had seached that area early on
on the bing map the road runs out an 2 homes at the end of road
if TH did do something to kyron, prob be close by, a less populated road
http://tinyurl.com/3xuasbo


[quote:Jonesr(OP) 1056623]


Crazy like a fox,
I think Kyron is on bishop road


how long did that trip from school to Bishops road take??

Minutes, less than ten would cover the entire length
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1141412/pg113
I can't remember, the two homes at the end of the road, is this where the man was talking about a truck that came by two times and he thought that was very unusual?

not sure anymore, i thought that guy was near RR track, maybe the guy who saw
a white truck with redhead women, and thought it was his buddy,was that near bishop
[/quote] The one guy who thought it was his buddy that is a separate man, the man I'm talking about, and can't remember his name was middle age and concerned about traffic by his house because it was rare.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 03, 2010, 01:28:22 PM
Janet I'm not sure about the answers to your cell phone questions, I just remember the Anthonys were fooling around with different phones also. Cell phones with prepaid minutes, think there are, but not sure.

Is there an official record of activity on cell phones with prepaid minutes?

Janet


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on August 03, 2010, 01:29:32 PM
Janet I'm not sure about the answers to your cell phone questions, I just remember the Anthonys were fooling around with different phones also. Cell phones with prepaid minutes, think there are, but not sure.

Is there an official record of activity on cell phones with prepaid minutes?

Janet
I don't know Janet, like you don't have a cell phone, my husband and daughters do, but they aren't prepaid minutes.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Lynnie76 on August 03, 2010, 01:31:19 PM
I live southeast just outside of the Porltand city limits off of 205..  Last week I went to visit a friend North of the Skyline school area.  I left home about 9:30 in the morning.  It only took about 40 minutes to reach my friend's home despite the fact that I didn't know where I was going.  I have never driven the freeways through Portland.  All this to say, Terry could have driven in a totally different direction to "rid" herself of Kyron.  Nobody would have known.  Finding him would be difficult if you spread out the area even more.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: cw618 on August 03, 2010, 01:32:30 PM
Janet I'm not sure about the answers to your cell phone questions, I just remember the Anthonys were fooling around with different phones also. Cell phones with prepaid minutes, think there are, but not sure.

Is there an official record of activity on cell phones with prepaid minutes?

Janet

i think so the calls go through a carrier/service, like tmobil ect


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Lucky7 on August 03, 2010, 01:33:20 PM
i thought LE had seached that area early on
on the bing map the road runs out an 2 homes at the end of road
if TH did do something to kyron, prob be close by, a less populated road
http://tinyurl.com/3xuasbo


[quote:Jonesr(OP) 1056623]


Crazy like a fox,
I think Kyron is on bishop road


how long did that trip from school to Bishops road take??

Minutes, less than ten would cover the entire length
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1141412/pg113
I can't remember, the two homes at the end of the road, is this where the man was talking about a truck that came by two times and he thought that was very unusual?
[/quote]
Driving directions to NW Bishop Rd, Hillsboro, OR 97124
3.0 mi – about 6 mins
Suggested routes

  NW Logie TrailHillsboro, OR 97124 

1. Head south on NW Logie Trail toward NW Svea Dr  1.5 mi
2. Turn left at NW Helvetia Rd  1.0 mi
3. Take the 1st left onto NW Bishop Rd  0.5 mi

 NW Bishop RdHillsboro, OR 97124


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 03, 2010, 01:33:36 PM
Kim Holm resides in the same area that Jim Kelley and his neighbour observed the white pickup at 3:00 PM on June 4, 2010 and 1:00 AM the next morning.

The 3:00 PM time tend to eliminate Terri as the driver when it is considered that Kaine's own words place his wife at home.

A while back there were maps posted on the SM Kyron Horman forum and interesting information regarding Kim Holm's elder son.

Could there be a connection?

Janet

++++++

Kim Holm

Sources: Terri Horman vague on Kyron’s doctor appointment date
Story Published: Jul 21, 2010 at 7:11 PM PDT
Story Updated: Jul 21, 2010 at 8:38 PM PDT


Kim Holm’s son, Kurtis, who Terri Horman photographed with his science project around the time she took a picture of Kyron that morning, said her son knew about the appointment too.

“And the teacher said, ‘I thought he left with his mom,’ because they thought they had a doctor appointment,” Holm said. “And then at lunchtime, Kurtis ate lunch with him every day, he wasn’t there at lunchtime.

http://www.katu.com/news/local/98981009.html


Kim Holm

Court doc: Kaine accuses Terri of sexual affair
Story Published: Jul 12, 2010 at 2:53 PM PDT
Story Updated: Jul 13, 2010 at 12:24 AM PDT


Meanwhile, Kim Holm, who is good friends with Terri said Monday, “I really think they were a good family before this.”

She said they volunteered together at Skyline School where her son, Curtis, is good friends with Kyron, and when Terri asked Curtis to go bowling with the family just days before Kyron disappeared, a normally protective Holm let her son go.

“I don’t let my kids go with anybody, and I let him go bowling with them the Sunday before he disappeared, because I just trusted them,” she said. “I didn’t think anything bad about them.”

She described Terri as a good mother who snapped a photo of the boys at their science project the morning Kyron vanished.

“I asked Curtis about Kyron’s last day at school and he told me he was happy, he was interacting with her, and they were really excited about the science fair project,” Holm said.

http://www.katu.com/news/local/98272674.html


Jim Kelley

Day 3: FBI calls in criminal profiler in search for missing Skyline boy; interviews with students and parents begin
Published: Sunday, June 06, 2010, 2:14 PM
Updated: Friday, June 18, 2010, 5:01 PM


1:29 p.m. -- Neighbors stop by Brooks Hill Historic church, across the street from the school, to mull over the investigation. "This kind of thing is unheard of," says Jim Kelley, 50.

Kelley, who lives about a mile and a half down hill, at the end of a winding, secluded country lane off Cornelius Pass, said police, federal agents, K-9 teams and helicopters scoured the area Saturday.

"We had two odd sightings of a vehicle on our road Friday," Kelley said. Around 3 p.m, he and a neighbor reported seeing a white pick-up truck with a female driver pull to the end of the long road, idle and then turn around. Then again at 2 a.m. Saturday morning, a similar white pickup truck appeared, idled and when a neighbor loosed her dogs, eased away.

"A, it was strange to have a car there, any car there, that we didn't know, and B, it was strange to have a vehicle come down our dead-end road twice in the same day, hours after a little boy goes missing," said Kelley. "That's beyond rare."

Kelley said authorities have twice searched the deep ravine, creek and railroad tracks located near the end of his street by air and on foot.

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/day_three_search_continues_hun


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Lynnie76 on August 03, 2010, 01:35:13 PM
I forgot to say.  If she was in Hillsboro, she could have driven south to the split to 205 and then come back up North.  I haven't tried it but seems like a more direct route.  Again not to say she did.  Just thinking about all possiblities within a 45 minute range.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Lucky7 on August 03, 2010, 01:35:39 PM
i thought LE had seached that area early on
on the bing map the road runs out an 2 homes at the end of road
if TH did do something to kyron, prob be close by, a less populated road
http://tinyurl.com/3xuasbo


[quote:Jonesr(OP) 1056623]


Crazy like a fox,
I think Kyron is on bishop road


how long did that trip from school to Bishops road take??

Minutes, less than ten would cover the entire length
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1141412/pg113
I can't remember, the two homes at the end of the road, is this where the man was talking about a truck that came by two times and he thought that was very unusual?

not sure anymore, i thought that guy was near RR track, maybe the guy who saw
a white truck with redhead women, and thought it was his buddy,was that near bishop
The one guy who thought it was his buddy that is a separate man, the man I'm talking about, and can't remember his name was middle age and concerned about traffic by his house because it was rare.
[/quote]
Logie trail rd I wonder if they had the man Chas go back to verify the exact side st he saw her come out of!
Driving directions to NW Bishop Rd, Hillsboro, OR 97124
3.0 mi – about 6 mins
Suggested routes

 

 NW Logie TrailHillsboro, OR 97124 

1. Head south on NW Logie Trail toward NW Svea Dr  1.5 mi
2. Turn left at NW Helvetia Rd  1.0 mi
3. Take the 1st left onto NW Bishop Rd  0.5 mi

 NW Bishop RdHillsboro, OR 97124


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 03, 2010, 01:37:59 PM
Janet I'm not sure about the answers to your cell phone questions, I just remember the Anthonys were fooling around with different phones also. Cell phones with prepaid minutes, think there are, but not sure.

Is there an official record of activity on cell phones with prepaid minutes?

Janet

i think so the calls go through a carrier/service, like tmobil ect

Thanks

That would imply that if new cell phones were purchased for Terri ... it was not an attempt to avoid the scrutiny of investigators unless they were under the name of the friend who purchased them.

Janet


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: klaasend on August 03, 2010, 01:39:10 PM
http://www.kgw.com/news/kyron-horman/2-months-later-where-is-Kyron-Horman-99784814.html

Kyron Horman's dad appears before grand jury

by By ANNE M. PETERSON AP Writer and KGW.com Staff

kgw.com
Posted on August 2, 2010 at 1:24 PM
Updated today at 9:31 AM


PORTLAND, Ore.  -- The father of missing seven-year-old Kyron Horman confirmed to KGW that he appeared before the grand jury Monday and could possibly be returning on Tuesday.

Kaine Horman told KGW that he appeared before the grand jury in the Multnomah County Courthouse but he did not elaborate on whether he testified.  He was seen exiting the courthouse with Kyron's mother, Desiree Young and her husband, Tony Young on Tuesday afternoon. However, Kaine did not say whether the other two appeared before the grand jury as well.

(snipped)


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: New Monkey on August 03, 2010, 01:44:07 PM
I still think it may have been TH on the iVillage Garden site. She's not stupid. I think she would have changed enough facts or added enough fiction to make it seem that it wasn't her.
I wonder if it was her, too.  Likely wasn't, though, but dayum, how harsh is that?


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: cw618 on August 03, 2010, 01:46:41 PM
Quote
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8338.msg1197707#msg1197707
Logie trail rd I wonder if they had the man Chas go back to verify the exact side st he saw her come out of!
Driving directions to NW Bishop Rd, Hillsboro, OR 97124
3.0 mi – about 6 mins
Suggested routes

 

 NW Logie TrailHillsboro, OR 97124 

1. Head south on NW Logie Trail toward NW Svea Dr  1.5 mi
2. Turn left at NW Helvetia Rd  1.0 mi
3. Take the 1st left onto NW Bishop Rd  0.5 mi

 NW Bishop RdHillsboro, OR 97124


thanks lucky 7, if you look at the map link
the germantown rd where someone thinks dede was working is
on the way from the school to bishop rd
http://tinyurl.com/3xuasbo


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Itaryl Moosee on August 03, 2010, 01:47:39 PM
Not sure if this was posted yet.

http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2010/07/29/kyron-horman-case-considering-motives/ (http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2010/07/29/kyron-horman-case-considering-motives/)

I’m sharing this for a couple of reasons.  To show that there ARE stepparents out there who are not mature enough and not emotionally stable enough to be stepparents.  As a stepparent I can tell you...

Thanks, great find.

I could visualize a similar situation in the Horman household, my opinion based on a hunch and the pictures posted around the net.

The situation described need not be as bad. Every year loving and caring people all over the world adopt children who are not related to them neither by blood nor by a step-relationship. These adopted children are, for the major part, loved and raised to be very productive citizens.

Are there more posts by the same user? I would love to see what this person wrote about other topics.



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: New Monkey on August 03, 2010, 01:48:20 PM
i thought LE had seached that area early on
on the bing map the road runs out an 2 homes at the end of road
if TH did do something to kyron, prob be close by, a less populated road
http://tinyurl.com/3xuasbo


[quote:Jonesr(OP) 1056623]


Crazy like a fox,
I think Kyron is on bishop road


how long did that trip from school to Bishops road take??

Minutes, less than ten would cover the entire length
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1141412/pg113
I can't remember, the two homes at the end of the road, is this where the man was talking about a truck that came by two times and he thought that was very unusual?

not sure anymore, i thought that guy was near RR track, maybe the guy who saw
a white truck with redhead women, and thought it was his buddy,was that near bishop
The one guy who thought it was his buddy that is a separate man, the man I'm talking about, and can't remember his name was middle age and concerned about traffic by his house because it was rare.
Logie trail rd I wonder if they had the man Chas go back to verify the exact side st he saw her come out of!
Driving directions to NW Bishop Rd, Hillsboro, OR 97124
3.0 mi – about 6 mins
Suggested routes

 

 NW Logie TrailHillsboro, OR 97124 

1. Head south on NW Logie Trail toward NW Svea Dr  1.5 mi
2. Turn left at NW Helvetia Rd  1.0 mi
3. Take the 1st left onto NW Bishop Rd  0.5 mi

 NW Bishop RdHillsboro, OR 97124

[/quote]
Wasn't the man's name James Kelley?


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 03, 2010, 01:49:32 PM
http://www.kgw.com/news/kyron-horman/2-months-later-where-is-Kyron-Horman-99784814.html

Kyron Horman's dad appears before grand jury

by By ANNE M. PETERSON AP Writer and KGW.com Staff

kgw.com
Posted on August 2, 2010 at 1:24 PM
Updated today at 9:31 AM


PORTLAND, Ore.  -- The father of missing seven-year-old Kyron Horman confirmed to KGW that he appeared before the grand jury Monday and could possibly be returning on Tuesday.

Kaine Horman told KGW that he appeared before the grand jury in the Multnomah County Courthouse but he did not elaborate on whether he testified.  He was seen exiting the courthouse with Kyron's mother, Desiree Young and her husband, Tony Young on Tuesday afternoon. However, Kaine did not say whether the other two appeared before the grand jury as well.

(snipped)

"Sources" reported that Kaine spent three hours testifying before the GJ on Monday.  What relevant knowledge could he be revealing?

Janet

++++

Kyron Horman case update: Parents of missing Oregon boy testified before grand jury Monday (video)
August 3, 1:01 AM


The parents of missing Oregon boy Kyron Horman testified before a grand jury on Monday afternoon regarding his disappearance.

His biological mother Desiree Young and her husband, Tony Young, exited the Multnomah County Courthouse escorted by sheriff’s deputies following their testimony.

Kyron’s father, Kaine Horman left after testifying before jurors for three hours.

According to KATU, the grand jury could hear testimony in the matter for weeks or even months.

http://www.examiner.com/x-1168-Crime-Examiner~y2010m8d3-Kyron-Horman-case-update-Parents-of-missing-Oregon-boy-testified-before-grand-jury-Monday-video



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: mediamama on August 03, 2010, 01:51:38 PM
http://www.kgw.com/news/kyron-horman/2-months-later-where-is-Kyron-Horman-99784814.html

Kyron Horman's dad appears before grand jury

by By ANNE M. PETERSON AP Writer and KGW.com Staff

kgw.com
Posted on August 2, 2010 at 1:24 PM
Updated today at 9:31 AM


PORTLAND, Ore.  -- The father of missing seven-year-old Kyron Horman confirmed to KGW that he appeared before the grand jury Monday and could possibly be returning on Tuesday.

Kaine Horman told KGW that he appeared before the grand jury in the Multnomah County Courthouse but he did not elaborate on whether he testified.  He was seen exiting the courthouse with Kyron's mother, Desiree Young and her husband, Tony Young on Tuesday afternoon. However, Kaine did not say whether the other two appeared before the grand jury as well.

(snipped)

Snipped from the article linked above and BBM...

Suspicion rests on the boy's stepmother, who is mute about what happened the morning the child disappeared, while lurid tales of infidelity and even a murder-for-hire plot swirl. Kaine also told KGW Monday that he was no longer wearing his wedding ring.

Given his explanations to the press as to why he'd been keeping it on all this time, is this part of a strategy? New info uncovered? Change of mind? What say you, Monkeys?


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Blonde on August 03, 2010, 01:53:43 PM
i thought LE had seached that area early on
on the bing map the road runs out an 2 homes at the end of road
if TH did do something to kyron, prob be close by, a less populated road
http://tinyurl.com/3xuasbo


[quote:Jonesr(OP) 1056623]


Crazy like a fox,
I think Kyron is on bishop road


how long did that trip from school to Bishops road take??

Minutes, less than ten would cover the entire length
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1141412/pg113
I can't remember, the two homes at the end of the road, is this where the man was talking about a truck that came by two times and he thought that was very unusual?
[/quote]

Also Sunday, a man who asked not to be shown on camera, expressed his frustration about the Kyron Horman tipline.

“Chas” said he has called the tip line twice, but hadn’t heard back. He was concerned other people’s tips, like his, were not checked on.

Chas said he saw Terri Horman the day Kyron mysteriously vanished.

“I was on my way to work, driving down Highway 30,” said “Chas.”

It was Friday, June 4th, sometime between 9:15 and 9:45 in the morning. “Chas” was heading south on Highway 30, on his way to work when a white truck pulled out onto the road.

"It came out of one of these side streets, I am not exactly positive which one, but I am pretty much sure that it was north of Logie Trail road.”

Logie Trail Road is right across from Sauvie Island. One of the areas investigators have searched several times.

"I recognize that truck because I have a friend that has a similar truck and I thought it was him.”

But when “Chas” pulled up next to this truck, he saw that it wasn't his friend, it was a red-haired woman, he didn't recognize.

He later realized that “red-haired” woman was Terri Horman.

“I didn't really think anything of it, obviously at that time there was no reason to.”

“Chas” said he's been following Kyron's disappearance since day 1, and when police released the flier asking the public to come forward with any information if they had seen Terri Horman or the white truck the day Kyron disappeared. That's when “Chas” remembered back to June 4th and called the tip line.

“The next day, I called again, and gave a little bit more detailed information because in the back of my mind I was thinking maybe I didn't give enough information."

Now 10 days later, “Chas” was left feeling a little frustrated.

"How many other people made tips and it's just not getting paid attention to. I don't feel like my tip is the breaker of the case, or anything like that, but it might be one piece of the puzzle that should maybe help."

As far as the tipline, Lt. Mary Lindstrand said tips have dropped off a bit. They averaged around 5 to 10 an hour.

And she also said if people who have called the tip line but haven’t heard back, that doesn’t mean they haven’t followed up on their tips.

Often times Lindstrand said the tips are “duplicates.”


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Lucky7 on August 03, 2010, 01:54:59 PM
Quote
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8338.msg1197707#msg1197707
Logie trail rd I wonder if they had the man Chas go back to verify the exact side st he saw her come out of!
Driving directions to NW Bishop Rd, Hillsboro, OR 97124
3.0 mi – about 6 mins
Suggested routes

 

 NW Logie TrailHillsboro, OR 97124 

1. Head south on NW Logie Trail toward NW Svea Dr  1.5 mi
2. Turn left at NW Helvetia Rd  1.0 mi
3. Take the 1st left onto NW Bishop Rd  0.5 mi

 NW Bishop RdHillsboro, OR 97124


thanks lucky 7, if you look at the map link
the germantown rd where someone thinks dede was working is
on the way from the school to bishop rd
http://tinyurl.com/3xuasbo
Thank you THATS where germantown rd fits in!


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: cw618 on August 03, 2010, 01:55:50 PM
Quote
According to KATU, the grand jury could hear testimony in the matter for weeks or even months.
http://www.examiner.com/x-1168-Crime-Examiner~y2010m8d3-Kyron-Horman-case-update-Parents-of-missing-Oregon-boy-testified-before-grand-jury-Monday-video

i had asked about that TY for the post



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: d in texas on August 03, 2010, 01:56:36 PM
Does anyone know if hopeinva was ever proven to be TH sign on?  I had never read the posts made by this person but after reading they are disturbing if anything to do with TH.
And if they were her leads to me fear the worst.
http://connect.oregonlive.com/user/HopeInVA/comments.html (http://connect.oregonlive.com/user/HopeInVA/comments.html)


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Lucky7 on August 03, 2010, 01:58:19 PM
so is dede scooby? why did Tom Jonesr say I Love you to scooby & you shoulda bought tony a phone too?

snipped below from http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1141412/pg116
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 1056687
 United States
8/3/2010 1:33 PM

Scooby doo, I love you!
I would have bought Tony a phone too.



Huh?

Earlier it was reported that a friend of Terri's bought her a phone, and now you post the above? ^^^

Is Scooby-doo Dede? Have you been conversing with Dede through this forum regarding your "search" for Kyron?

Or is your quoted post above merely a coinky-dink? Enquiring minds want to know...

???
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1054103


My thoughts exactly!

Snipped...
so wonder if dede is on the forum talking to her cuz?


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: klaasend on August 03, 2010, 02:00:46 PM
Does anyone know if hopeinva was ever proven to be TH sign on?  I had never read the posts made by this person but after reading they are disturbing if anything to do with TH.
And if they were her leads to me fear the worst.
http://connect.oregonlive.com/user/HopeInVA/comments.html (http://connect.oregonlive.com/user/HopeInVA/comments.html)

IMO HopeinVA is nobody.  Just someone wanting attention.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on August 03, 2010, 02:01:23 PM
I forgot to say.  If she was in Hillsboro, she could have driven south to the split to 205 and then come back up North.  I haven't tried it but seems like a more direct route.  Again not to say she did.  Just thinking about all possiblities within a 45 minute range.
Thank-you.         And yes, Jim Kelley that is him.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: cw618 on August 03, 2010, 02:02:32 PM
so is dede scooby? why did Tom Jonesr say I Love you to scooby & you shoulda bought tony a phone too?

snipped below from http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1141412/pg116
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 1056687
 United States
8/3/2010 1:33 PM

Scooby doo, I love you!
I would have bought Tony a phone too.



Huh?

Earlier it was reported that a friend of Terri's bought her a phone, and now you post the above? ^^^

Is Scooby-doo Dede? Have you been conversing with Dede through this forum regarding your "search" for Kyron?

Or is your quoted post above merely a coinky-dink? Enquiring minds want to know...

???
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1054103


My thoughts exactly!

Snipped...
so wonder if dede is on the forum talking to her cuz?

not sure which pg it was on but scooby and jonesr, had a disscusion about
what paint to use for a hot rod car
not the pg just the link
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1141412/pg116


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 03, 2010, 02:05:13 PM
http://www.kgw.com/news/kyron-horman/2-months-later-where-is-Kyron-Horman-99784814.html

Kyron Horman's dad appears before grand jury

by By ANNE M. PETERSON AP Writer and KGW.com Staff

kgw.com
Posted on August 2, 2010 at 1:24 PM
Updated today at 9:31 AM


PORTLAND, Ore.  -- The father of missing seven-year-old Kyron Horman confirmed to KGW that he appeared before the grand jury Monday and could possibly be returning on Tuesday.

Kaine Horman told KGW that he appeared before the grand jury in the Multnomah County Courthouse but he did not elaborate on whether he testified.  He was seen exiting the courthouse with Kyron's mother, Desiree Young and her husband, Tony Young on Tuesday afternoon. However, Kaine did not say whether the other two appeared before the grand jury as well.

(snipped)

Snipped from the article linked above and BBM...

Suspicion rests on the boy's stepmother, who is mute about what happened the morning the child disappeared, while lurid tales of infidelity and even a murder-for-hire plot swirl. Kaine also told KGW Monday that he was no longer wearing his wedding ring.

Given his explanations to the press as to why he'd been keeping it on all this time, is this part of a strategy? New info uncovered? Change of mind? What say you, Monkeys?

I am not going there.

 ::MonkeyTongue::

Janet

+++++++


Search for Kyron Horman: Father Alleges Terri Horman Had Help With Son's Disappearance
July 19, 2010


Kaine Horman, who was granted an emergency restraining order to keep his wife away from him and their daughter, filed for divorce last month, but it still wearing his wedding ring.

He told ABC's Portland affiliate KATU that even that decision was part of the plan to find Kyron.

"I think I keep it on as a symbol of our family and more for our kids than anything else," he told KATU. "It will come off at some point but right now the priority is getting Kyron home and taking care of Kiara."

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/search-kyron-horman-terri-horman-boys-disappearance/story?id=11195628


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: nicubird on August 03, 2010, 02:07:32 PM
Willamette Week: Kyron Horman Update: One Tipster’s Startling Suspicions, and Frustration

http://blogs.wweek.com/news/2010/08/03/kyron-horman-update-one-tipsters-startling-suspicions-and-frustration/

"Investigators in the case of missing 7-year-old Kyron Horman say they’ve sorted through more than 3,500 tips in the nearly two-month investigation.

Here’s an example of one such tip, forwarded today to WW by former Sheriff’s Capt. Bruce McCain. McCain says he’s brought the tip to investigators’ attention and is told they are finally following up on it.

Here’s the main portion of an email McCain sent:


This morning around 9:00 am I received a telephone call from Mark DeWitt, a 51-year old single farmer who lives in Riddle, Oregon. … When I took his call he expressed relief in “finally talking to a human” after leaving unanswered calls to the MCSO tip line. I told him I no longer worked at MCSO and I am not part of the investigation at all. He understood that but asked me to pass this info along to the authorities..."


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Lucky7 on August 03, 2010, 02:09:11 PM
i thought LE had seached that area early on
on the bing map the road runs out an 2 homes at the end of road
if TH did do something to kyron, prob be close by, a less populated road
http://tinyurl.com/3xuasbo


[quote:Jonesr(OP) 1056623]


Crazy like a fox,
I think Kyron is on bishop road


how long did that trip from school to Bishops road take??

Minutes, less than ten would cover the entire length
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1141412/pg113
I can't remember, the two homes at the end of the road, is this where the man was talking about a truck that came by two times and he thought that was very unusual?

not sure anymore, i thought that guy was near RR track, maybe the guy who saw
a white truck with redhead women, and thought it was his buddy,was that near bishop
The one guy who thought it was his buddy that is a separate man, the man I'm talking about, and can't remember his name was middle age and concerned about traffic by his house because it was rare.
Logie trail rd I wonder if they had the man Chas go back to verify the exact side st he saw her come out of!
Driving directions to NW Bishop Rd, Hillsboro, OR 97124
3.0 mi – about 6 mins
Suggested routes

 

 NW Logie TrailHillsboro, OR 97124 

1. Head south on NW Logie Trail toward NW Svea Dr  1.5 mi
2. Turn left at NW Helvetia Rd  1.0 mi
3. Take the 1st left onto NW Bishop Rd  0.5 mi

 NW Bishop RdHillsboro, OR 97124

Wasn't the man's name James Kelley?
[/quote]
HI New Monkey! refer to this page regarding all info on James Kelley http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8267.80


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on August 03, 2010, 02:11:20 PM
Thanks for the other man's name Chas. Just wondering if this all fits into where DeDe's aunt lives?


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 03, 2010, 02:11:54 PM
Does anyone know if hopeinva was ever proven to be TH sign on?  I had never read the posts made by this person but after reading they are disturbing if anything to do with TH.
And if they were her leads to me fear the worst.
http://connect.oregonlive.com/user/

/comments.html (http://connect.oregonlive.com/user/HopeInVA/comments.html)

IMO HopeinVA is nobody.  Just someone wanting attention.

I agree.  If you see the evolving of HopeInVa's comments from their origins until now ... the implication is that at some point her underlying intention was to convince others that she is in the know.

Janet

+++++++

HopeInVA

http://connect.oregonlive.com/user/HopeInVA/comments.html


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Tracygirl on August 03, 2010, 02:15:33 PM
Can I ask a question, why are we doing a roll call on if someone knows or is in contact with a person involved in this case? I am not following the reason.

As I said, I would love to speak to any of the main players in this case, even Terri. Can you imagine? I would love to hear her side of the story. Me and about a million other people

I don't know about a "roll call".  As NRCG explained, I asked a question back on the first page of the thread, based upon another monkey's post from a few days ago. 

I wasn't asking for everyone or anyone to deny being a friend of Terri, I only hoped that if there were friends of Terri posting here...that they would say so. 

I think that would only be fair.

I will say that speaking from observations from the Natalee Holloway case over the years, internet posters that "go undercover" and involve themselves with suspects are at best not helpful, and typically unbalanced.

Just my opinion.   ::MonkeyWink::



I am pages behind morning, way back on page 12 exactly, but are you calling me unbalanced? That is a bit of an insult, perhaps you didn't mean it as it comes across? If so, then fine I suppose you just don't understand the reasoning behind it.  But as you say, it is just your opinion.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: mariloo on August 03, 2010, 02:15:35 PM
You know, if you go back to the original tv scene of Kaine, TH, where she is hugging Kaine and leaning on him.  Look at her face.  I don't have the link but Nancy Grace shows it everyday.  She keeps looking down.  Her body language is guilty, guilty, guilty.  She looks like the cat who got caught eating the canary. 

Also, if my child was whiny about going home to his father and stepmom; I wonder if DY ever asked the father about this and why Kyron may be so reluctant to go home?  This should have been a red flag.  If I were Kyron's relative, I think I would put up a big poster right close to wherever TH is so that she would have to look at him everytime she goes outside.  Oh, but that might be considered harrassment of the woman last seen with my missing child.  Shame on me!!! ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Lucky7 on August 03, 2010, 02:15:49 PM
so is dede scooby? why did Tom Jonesr say I Love you to scooby & you shoulda bought tony a phone too?

snipped below from http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1141412/pg116
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 1056687
 United States
8/3/2010 1:33 PM

Scooby doo, I love you!
I would have bought Tony a phone too.



Huh?

Earlier it was reported that a friend of Terri's bought her a phone, and now you post the above? ^^^

Is Scooby-doo Dede? Have you been conversing with Dede through this forum regarding your "search" for Kyron?

Or is your quoted post above merely a coinky-dink? Enquiring minds want to know...

???
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1054103


My thoughts exactly!

Snipped...
so wonder if dede is on the forum talking to her cuz?

not sure which pg it was on but scooby and jonesr, had a disscusion about
what paint to use for a hot rod car
not the pg just the link
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1141412/pg116
I wonder if that convo had anything to do with this story?
http://blogs.wweek.com/news/2010/08/03/kyron-horman-update-one-tipsters-startling-suspicions-and-frustration/#more-49682


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: cw618 on August 03, 2010, 02:19:02 PM
Here’s the main portion of an email McCain sent:
This morning around 9:00 am I received a telephone call from Mark DeWitt, a 51-year old single farmer who lives in Riddle, Oregon. … When I took his call he expressed relief in “finally talking to a human” after leaving unanswered calls to the MCSO tip line. I told him I no longer worked at MCSO and I am not part of the investigation at all. He understood that but asked me to pass this info along to the authorities.

DeWitt told me he was driving on 99W near Junction City around noon on Wednesday, June 9–the same day Captain Mike Shults delivered his press statement without the families present. DeWitt said a white pick-up truck driven by a female with brown or reddish hair came up fast behind him. He noticed in his rear view mirror that a boy with short dark hair and glasses kept popping his head up in the front seat, only to have the driver push his head down. The pick-up passed DeWitt and turned on a gravel road near an old mill site in or near the town of Monroe, Oregon. DeWitt said the pickup turned onto a side road where it stopped to meet a “cranberry” color sedan from which a heavy set red head female and a male wearing a baseball cap emerged. DeWitt said the pickup driver got out and took the boy into a heavily wooded area where they were followed by the other two–with the male carrying a shovel he removed from the sedan trunk.

DeWitt continued into town where he stopped at a gas station to ask for directions to his destination, which I think was a grain elevator for seed. While out of his vehicle, DeWitt said he heard what sounded like a single gun shot coming from the general vicinity of where he saw the three adults and boy. DeWitt then said he later pulled into a rest area on 99W to use the rest room. As he was heading back onto the road, he was behind a slow moving motor home that was pulling onto the highway.  DeWitt said he then saw the pickup again speeding with the sedan behind it about to collide with the motor home. He said the truck slammed on its brakes and barely stopped short of colliding with the motor home, but the sedan skidded and collided with the rear of the white pickup. DeWitt said it was not a major crash, but the sedan might have some slight front end damage and the pickup might show signs of a “paint swap” in the rear.
DeWitt said he does not watch much television and did not put all of these pieces together until he started following the Kyron story on the news. He said he has called the tip line three times, but with no answer. He also said he reported the incident to a “Eugene Deputy” (not sure if Eugene PD or Lane County Sheriff) shortly thereafter, but before he realized the possible significance of what he saw. I asked him what he wanted me to do with this information and he just wants a “real person” to go check the area – which he says he has since revisited. I told him that’s not a good idea since it might be a crime scene.

I had to leave for another appointment but I called him back around 12:45 while on the road. I asked him if he knew I was an attorney and he said No, he only saw me described as a retired MCSO Captain. I wanted to verify he was not seeking legal advice or representation and we agreed there never was any lawyer-client relationship established. I told him I would pass his story on to someone I knew “high up” in the investigation. But I also told him that one reason why he might not have received a call back is that investigators knew where Terri and the pickup were around 12 noon on Wednesday, June 9.

http://blogs.wweek.com/news/2010/08/03/kyron-horman-update-one-tipsters-startling-suspicions-and-frustration/

and the post i made about the painting the car, with scoopy and jonser
seems weird
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8338.msg1197727#msg1197727


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: sebastian on August 03, 2010, 02:22:37 PM
http://www.kgw.com/news/kyron-horman/2-months-later-where-is-Kyron-Horman-99784814.html

Kyron Horman's dad appears before grand jury

by By ANNE M. PETERSON AP Writer and KGW.com Staff

kgw.com
Posted on August 2, 2010 at 1:24 PM
Updated today at 9:31 AM


PORTLAND, Ore.  -- The father of missing seven-year-old Kyron Horman confirmed to KGW that he appeared before the grand jury Monday and could possibly be returning on Tuesday.

Kaine Horman told KGW that he appeared before the grand jury in the Multnomah County Courthouse but he did not elaborate on whether he testified.  He was seen exiting the courthouse with Kyron's mother, Desiree Young and her husband, Tony Young on Tuesday afternoon. However, Kaine did not say whether the other two appeared before the grand jury as well.

(snipped)

Snipped from the article linked above and BBM...

Suspicion rests on the boy's stepmother, who is mute about what happened the morning the child disappeared, while lurid tales of infidelity and even a murder-for-hire plot swirl. Kaine also told KGW Monday that he was no longer wearing his wedding ring.

Given his explanations to the press as to why he'd been keeping it on all this time, is this part of a strategy? New info uncovered? Change of mind? What say you, Monkeys?

I am not going there.

 ::MonkeyTongue::

Janet

+++++++


Search for Kyron Horman: Father Alleges Terri Horman Had Help With Son's Disappearance
July 19, 2010


Kaine Horman, who was granted an emergency restraining order to keep his wife away from him and their daughter, filed for divorce last month, but it still wearing his wedding ring.

He told ABC's Portland affiliate KATU that even that decision was part of the plan to find Kyron.

"I think I keep it on as a symbol of our family and more for our kids than anything else," he told KATU. "It will come off at some point but right now the priority is getting Kyron home and taking care of Kiara."

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/search-kyron-horman-terri-horman-boys-disappearance/story?id=11195628


Hi Janet!
I am so glad that he took that wedding ring off! With it on, I felt he was sending mixed messages.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Scatty on August 03, 2010, 02:26:08 PM
Does anyone know if hopeinva was ever proven to be TH sign on?  I had never read the posts made by this person but after reading they are disturbing if anything to do with TH.
And if they were her leads to me fear the worst.
http://connect.oregonlive.com/user/HopeInVA/comments.html (http://connect.oregonlive.com/user/HopeInVA/comments.html)

IMO HopeinVA is nobody.  Just someone wanting attention.

Sounded like a troll.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Lucky7 on August 03, 2010, 02:26:33 PM
Here’s the main portion of an email McCain sent:
This morning around 9:00 am I received a telephone call from Mark DeWitt, a 51-year old single farmer who lives in Riddle, Oregon. … When I took his call he expressed relief in “finally talking to a human” after leaving unanswered calls to the MCSO tip line. I told him I no longer worked at MCSO and I am not part of the investigation at all. He understood that but asked me to pass this info along to the authorities.

DeWitt told me he was driving on 99W near Junction City around noon on Wednesday, June 9–the same day Captain Mike Shults delivered his press statement without the families present. DeWitt said a white pick-up truck driven by a female with brown or reddish hair came up fast behind him. He noticed in his rear view mirror that a boy with short dark hair and glasses kept popping his head up in the front seat, only to have the driver push his head down. The pick-up passed DeWitt and turned on a gravel road near an old mill site in or near the town of Monroe, Oregon. DeWitt said the pickup turned onto a side road where it stopped to meet a “cranberry” color sedan from which a heavy set red head female and a male wearing a baseball cap emerged. DeWitt said the pickup driver got out and took the boy into a heavily wooded area where they were followed by the other two–with the male carrying a shovel he removed from the sedan trunk.

DeWitt continued into town where he stopped at a gas station to ask for directions to his destination, which I think was a grain elevator for seed. While out of his vehicle, DeWitt said he heard what sounded like a single gun shot coming from the general vicinity of where he saw the three adults and boy. DeWitt then said he later pulled into a rest area on 99W to use the rest room. As he was heading back onto the road, he was behind a slow moving motor home that was pulling onto the highway.  DeWitt said he then saw the pickup again speeding with the sedan behind it about to collide with the motor home. He said the truck slammed on its brakes and barely stopped short of colliding with the motor home, but the sedan skidded and collided with the rear of the white pickup. DeWitt said it was not a major crash, but the sedan might have some slight front end damage and the pickup might show signs of a “paint swap” in the rear.
DeWitt said he does not watch much television and did not put all of these pieces together until he started following the Kyron story on the news. He said he has called the tip line three times, but with no answer. He also said he reported the incident to a “Eugene Deputy” (not sure if Eugene PD or Lane County Sheriff) shortly thereafter, but before he realized the possible significance of what he saw. I asked him what he wanted me to do with this information and he just wants a “real person” to go check the area – which he says he has since revisited. I told him that’s not a good idea since it might be a crime scene.

I had to leave for another appointment but I called him back around 12:45 while on the road. I asked him if he knew I was an attorney and he said No, he only saw me described as a retired MCSO Captain. I wanted to verify he was not seeking legal advice or representation and we agreed there never was any lawyer-client relationship established. I told him I would pass his story on to someone I knew “high up” in the investigation. But I also told him that one reason why he might not have received a call back is that investigators knew where Terri and the pickup were around 12 noon on Wednesday, June 9.

http://blogs.wweek.com/news/2010/08/03/kyron-horman-update-one-tipsters-startling-suspicions-and-frustration/

and the post i made about the painting the car, with scoopy and jonser
seems weird
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8338.msg1197727#msg1197727
thank you for posting this!it is significant I believe. not just coincidence that jonesr said it to scooby IMO


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 03, 2010, 02:27:15 PM
Not sure if this was posted yet.

http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2010/07/29/kyron-horman-case-considering-motives/ (http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2010/07/29/kyron-horman-case-considering-motives/)

I’m sharing this for a couple of reasons.  To show that there ARE stepparents out there who are not mature enough and not emotionally stable enough to be stepparents.  As a stepparent I can tell you...

Thanks, great find.

I could visualize a similar situation in the Horman household, my opinion based on a hunch and the pictures posted around the net.

The situation described need not be as bad. Every year loving and caring people all over the world adopt children who are not related to them neither by blood nor by a step-relationship. These adopted children are, for the major part, loved and raised to be very productive citizens.

Are there more posts by the same user? I would love to see what this person wrote about other topics.




A number of years ago ... I took a sabatical from work when my two eldest were preschoolers.  In that period we had two children in our care for almost two years.  Jessica was three months and ... brother Jason was three years old.

It was love at first embrace.  Two years later when these children were taken from our home and returned by CPS to their biological mother ... our family and extented family missed them terribly.  I cried myself to sleep for a month and vowed never to take in foster children again ... the hurt of separation was too much to bear.  However ... life went on and ... the hurt faded with time.

My point is ... I thought I loved these two little munkins as my own but ... I now realize ... looking back ... I did not.  If my own had be taken permantly from my care ... life would not have gone on ... the hurt would not have faded with time.

Janet


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 03, 2010, 02:33:52 PM
http://www.kgw.com/news/kyron-horman/2-months-later-where-is-Kyron-Horman-99784814.html

Kyron Horman's dad appears before grand jury

by By ANNE M. PETERSON AP Writer and KGW.com Staff

kgw.com
Posted on August 2, 2010 at 1:24 PM
Updated today at 9:31 AM


PORTLAND, Ore.  -- The father of missing seven-year-old Kyron Horman confirmed to KGW that he appeared before the grand jury Monday and could possibly be returning on Tuesday.

Kaine Horman told KGW that he appeared before the grand jury in the Multnomah County Courthouse but he did not elaborate on whether he testified.  He was seen exiting the courthouse with Kyron's mother, Desiree Young and her husband, Tony Young on Tuesday afternoon. However, Kaine did not say whether the other two appeared before the grand jury as well.

(snipped)

Snipped from the article linked above and BBM...

Suspicion rests on the boy's stepmother, who is mute about what happened the morning the child disappeared, while lurid tales of infidelity and even a murder-for-hire plot swirl. Kaine also told KGW Monday that he was no longer wearing his wedding ring.

Given his explanations to the press as to why he'd been keeping it on all this time, is this part of a strategy? New info uncovered? Change of mind? What say you, Monkeys?

I am not going there.

 ::MonkeyTongue::

Janet

+++++++


Search for Kyron Horman: Father Alleges Terri Horman Had Help With Son's Disappearance
July 19, 2010


Kaine Horman, who was granted an emergency restraining order to keep his wife away from him and their daughter, filed for divorce last month, but it still wearing his wedding ring.

He told ABC's Portland affiliate KATU that even that decision was part of the plan to find Kyron.

"I think I keep it on as a symbol of our family and more for our kids than anything else," he told KATU. "It will come off at some point but right now the priority is getting Kyron home and taking care of Kiara."

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/search-kyron-horman-terri-horman-boys-disappearance/story?id=11195628


Hi Janet!
I am so glad that he took that wedding ring off! With it on, I felt he was sending mixed messages.

Kaine in all likelihood had/has very mixed feelings.  Terri is his wife.

Janet

+++++++


Kaine Horman: "Terri was a good person when we first met"
Posted on July 16, 2010 at 12:12 PM
Updated today at 1:56 PM


In his response to questions from KGW, Kaine acknowledged that people have commented about 'how could he marry a woman like this' and how could he 'not see this coming.'

In response, he wrote: "Terri was a good person when we first met and for several years (I’d say up until 2008). She was always about children (teaching) and helping them grow and develop. Her attitude was always about those types of things first, her own self not even being a priority close to that. I believe that this is the Terri that everyone else saw and got to know as I did."

"Honestly everyone, including myself, that knew her or knows her did not see this coming. She was not the type of person we are seeing right now," added Kaine Horman.

"There were some signs of emotional distress here and there over the past year and a half but not enough of that directed at any one person to conclude she would be capable of anything even remotely close to events of the severity we have all seen."

http://www.kgw.com/news/Kaine-Horman-Terri-was-a-good-person-when-we-first-met-98620944.html


 


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: JessStar on August 03, 2010, 02:40:46 PM
Thanks for the gj info JessStar

jes TY
 i have a Q jess, if the GJ do not find enough evidence to go to trial, at this time
can a new GJ be convened an hear old and new evidence later,is there a time limt
on any case for the GJ, like how many times can they go to the GJ with the same case

It depends.  There is no right to convene a second grand jury.  If the grand jury fails to return an indictment, and the state wants to try again, the issue must first to before a judge.  If the judge issues an order allowing it, then ok.  If not, they are SOL.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: mariloo on August 03, 2010, 02:41:04 PM
I would like to say that I am not a friend, relative or supporter of TH, Dede, or any of the culprits suspicioned in this case.  The only person I support is Kyron and I would like to push off a cliff the persons responsible for his disappearance.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: JessStar on August 03, 2010, 02:42:33 PM
BREAKING NEWS:

Desiree, Kaine and Tony to testify for a Multnomah County grand jury beginning 1 p.m

http://www.katu.com/

do you think they are preparing for an arrest?

The Grand Jury would have to return an indictment first.  If these three witnesses are being called to testify, it says to me that the Grand Jury is still taking evidence.
isnt this GJ a little different than normal GJ? it is an investigative GJ whats the difference ? can you clarify?

There really is no difference.  All grand juries have the ability to investigate to determine whether a crime has been committed.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: d in texas on August 03, 2010, 02:44:33 PM
I have said from the time I feel off the fence on this case, if TH was truly behind it was planned and thought out, that in itself scared me to think a person could harm a child any child.

Which each passing day and each little bread crumb thrown our way it becomes darker and more sinister and I fear for Kyron, and very sad to say with the information being given over the past two days Kyron may very well no longer be with us.  That makes me so sad to type and face.

From the beginning I have said and thought if TH did this she will make Casey Anthony look like little bo peep, have a feeling this is going to go deeper and be far more sinister than anyone wants to know.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: JessStar on August 03, 2010, 02:47:16 PM
BREAKING NEWS:

Desiree, Kaine and Tony to testify for a Multnomah County grand jury beginning 1 p.m

http://www.katu.com/

do you think they are preparing for an arrest?

The Grand Jury would have to return an indictment first.  If these three witnesses are being called to testify, it says to me that the Grand Jury is still taking evidence.

Jess, forgive me if you've already addressed this, but how long in duration will a Grand Jury usually sit? I'm sure it varies by jurisdiction, but is there a "ballpark" amount of time we can expect evidence to be heard/collected/etc?

It certainly varies from state to state, and it really depends on what the grand jury is being asked to do.  It is my recollection that Oregon works off a rolling grand jury system.  In other words, all crimes come before the court by way of grand jury indictment and grand juries sit whenever the court is in session. I don't believe Oregon imposes a time limitation, but I'm not 100% sure of that either.  Oregon's system does differ from other states that have defined time periods when grand juries sit, and they usually sit for about 2 weeks except in instances when law enforcement requests that a special grand jury be empaneled.  Oregon also handles grand juries by county, which means every county can set its own rules as long as they follow the minimum requirements set forth in Oregon's statutes.



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: cw618 on August 03, 2010, 02:48:37 PM
dede brother owns a constuction co, where? did we ever find out
Mark DeWitt says monroe oregon 99w
mapped

Driving directions to Hwy 99 W, Monroe, OR 97456
99.7 mi – about 2 hours 2 mins
Suggested routes

 
 

 Portland, OR 

1. Head north on NW 6th Ave toward NW Couch St  0.1 mi
2. Take the 3rd right onto NW Everett St  0.3 mi
3. Turn right at NW Naito Pkwy  1.0 mi
4. Turn left at SW Harbor Dr (signs for I-5 S/Riverplace Marina/Salem/Hawthorne Bridge)  0.4 mi
5. Merge onto I-5 S via the ramp to Tigard Salem  71.9 mi
6. Take exit 228 for OR-34/Corvallis-Lebanon  0.2 mi
7. Turn right at OR-34 W/Corvallis-Lebanon Hwy
Continue to follow OR-34 W  9.6 mi
8. Turn left at OR-34 Bypass W/Corvallis-Newport Hwy/Newport-Corvallis Hwy  0.7 mi
9. Slight right to merge onto OR-99W S/SW 3rd St/SW 4th St/SW Twin Oaks Cir toward Junction City/S.Corvallis
Continue to follow OR-99W S
Destination will be on the left  15.5 mi

 Hwy 99 WMonroe, OR 97456

did dewitt stop and watch this? could he see all this from passing by
 you wouldnt think anyone would do anything till,the traffic was clear

snipped from
http://blogs.wweek.com/news/2010/08/03/kyron-horman-update-one-tipsters-startling-suspicions-and-frustration/

The pick-up passed DeWitt and turned on a gravel road near an old mill site in or near the town of Monroe, Oregon. DeWitt said the pickup turned onto a side road where it stopped to meet a “cranberry” color sedan from which a heavy set red head female and a male wearing a baseball cap emerged. DeWitt said the pickup driver got out and took the boy into a heavily wooded area where they were followed by the other two–with the male carrying a shovel he removed from the sedan trunk.



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: d in texas on August 03, 2010, 02:50:12 PM
This is disturbing, does anyone know where TH was on June 9th?
http://blogs.wweek.com/news/2010/08/03/kyron-horman-update-one-tipsters-startling-suspicions-and-frustration/#more-49682 (http://blogs.wweek.com/news/2010/08/03/kyron-horman-update-one-tipsters-startling-suspicions-and-frustration/#more-49682)


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: nicubird on August 03, 2010, 02:51:18 PM
BREAKING NEWS:

Desiree, Kaine and Tony to testify for a Multnomah County grand jury beginning 1 p.m

http://www.katu.com/

do you think they are preparing for an arrest?

The Grand Jury would have to return an indictment first.  If these three witnesses are being called to testify, it says to me that the Grand Jury is still taking evidence.

Jess, forgive me if you've already addressed this, but how long in duration will a Grand Jury usually sit? I'm sure it varies by jurisdiction, but is there a "ballpark" amount of time we can expect evidence to be heard/collected/etc?

It certainly varies from state to state, and it really depends on what the grand jury is being asked to do.  It is my recollection that Oregon works off a rolling grand jury system.  In other words, all crimes come before the court by way of grand jury indictment and grand juries sit whenever the court is in session. I don't believe Oregon imposes a time limitation, but I'm not 100% sure of that either.  Oregon's system does differ from other states that have defined time periods when grand juries sit, and they usually sit for about 2 weeks except in instances when law enforcement requests that a special grand jury be empaneled.  Oregon also handles grand juries by county, which means every county can set its own rules as long as they follow the minimum requirements set forth in Oregon's statutes.



Multnomah County seats jurors for 1 month when selected for the grand jury.

http://courts.oregon.gov/Multnomah/General_Info/Jury_Service/Length_of_Service.page?

Your term of service is for one day or until the trial you are selected for is over, whichever is longer. If you are selected to be on a jury for a trial that lasts longer than one day, your service lasts to the end of the trial. Please be aware that many trials will last longer than one day. You may also sit on more than one trial in the one-day period. If you are selected for a grand jury (a small number of individuals may be selected for these), your service will be for one month.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Blonde on August 03, 2010, 02:51:19 PM
Here’s the main portion of an email McCain sent:
This morning around 9:00 am I received a telephone call from Mark DeWitt, a 51-year old single farmer who lives in Riddle, Oregon. … When I took his call he expressed relief in “finally talking to a human” after leaving unanswered calls to the MCSO tip line. I told him I no longer worked at MCSO and I am not part of the investigation at all. He understood that but asked me to pass this info along to the authorities.

DeWitt told me he was driving on 99W near Junction City around noon on Wednesday, June 9–the same day Captain Mike Shults delivered his press statement without the families present. DeWitt said a white pick-up truck driven by a female with brown or reddish hair came up fast behind him. He noticed in his rear view mirror that a boy with short dark hair and glasses kept popping his head up in the front seat, only to have the driver push his head down. The pick-up passed DeWitt and turned on a gravel road near an old mill site in or near the town of Monroe, Oregon. DeWitt said the pickup turned onto a side road where it stopped to meet a “cranberry” color sedan from which a heavy set red head female and a male wearing a baseball cap emerged. DeWitt said the pickup driver got out and took the boy into a heavily wooded area where they were followed by the other two–with the male carrying a shovel he removed from the sedan trunk.

DeWitt continued into town where he stopped at a gas station to ask for directions to his destination, which I think was a grain elevator for seed. While out of his vehicle, DeWitt said he heard what sounded like a single gun shot coming from the general vicinity of where he saw the three adults and boy. DeWitt then said he later pulled into a rest area on 99W to use the rest room. As he was heading back onto the road, he was behind a slow moving motor home that was pulling onto the highway.  DeWitt said he then saw the pickup again speeding with the sedan behind it about to collide with the motor home. He said the truck slammed on its brakes and barely stopped short of colliding with the motor home, but the sedan skidded and collided with the rear of the white pickup. DeWitt said it was not a major crash, but the sedan might have some slight front end damage and the pickup might show signs of a “paint swap” in the rear.
DeWitt said he does not watch much television and did not put all of these pieces together until he started following the Kyron story on the news. He said he has called the tip line three times, but with no answer. He also said he reported the incident to a “Eugene Deputy” (not sure if Eugene PD or Lane County Sheriff) shortly thereafter, but before he realized the possible significance of what he saw. I asked him what he wanted me to do with this information and he just wants a “real person” to go check the area – which he says he has since revisited. I told him that’s not a good idea since it might be a crime scene.

I had to leave for another appointment but I called him back around 12:45 while on the road. I asked him if he knew I was an attorney and he said No, he only saw me described as a retired MCSO Captain. I wanted to verify he was not seeking legal advice or representation and we agreed there never was any lawyer-client relationship established. I told him I would pass his story on to someone I knew “high up” in the investigation. But I also told him that one reason why he might not have received a call back is that investigators knew where Terri and the pickup were around 12 noon on Wednesday, June 9.

http://blogs.wweek.com/news/2010/08/03/kyron-horman-update-one-tipsters-startling-suspicions-and-frustration/

and the post i made about the painting the car, with scoopy and jonser
seems weird
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8338.msg1197727#msg1197727



OMG why didn't LE go check this out I feel sick. Is this for real ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: nicubird on August 03, 2010, 02:53:16 PM
This is disturbing, does anyone know where TH was on June 9th?
http://blogs.wweek.com/news/2010/08/03/kyron-horman-update-one-tipsters-startling-suspicions-and-frustration/#more-49682 (http://blogs.wweek.com/news/2010/08/03/kyron-horman-update-one-tipsters-startling-suspicions-and-frustration/#more-49682)

IIRC she was at the gym on the evening of Weds. June 9.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: mediamama on August 03, 2010, 02:53:51 PM
Now what the heck does this mean?!?  ::MonkeyEek::


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To all;
puzzle solved, it's in here right before your eyes, can you sluth it out?
Gunna have to read it like a book. Opinion will blind you to the truth.

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1141412/pg116
 


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Blonde on August 03, 2010, 02:53:57 PM
This is disturbing, does anyone know where TH was on June 9th?
http://blogs.wweek.com/news/2010/08/03/kyron-horman-update-one-tipsters-startling-suspicions-and-frustration/#more-49682 (http://blogs.wweek.com/news/2010/08/03/kyron-horman-update-one-tipsters-startling-suspicions-and-frustration/#more-49682)
Wednesday, June 9

Early a.m. Search and rescue crews resume search

Morning Terri Moulton Horman makes her Facebook wall private.

11 a.m. FBI spokeswoman Beth Anne Steele says the Hormon family "is not speaking to the media because they do not believe it's in the best interest of finding Kyron."

Noon At a news briefing, Multnomah County sheriff's Capt. Mike Shults reads a statement from Kyron Horman's immediate family: "Kyron's family would like to thank people for support and interest in finding their son. The outpouring of support and continued effort strengthens their hope. We need for folks to continue to assist us in our goal. Please search your properties -- cars, out buildings, sheds, etc. Also check with neighbors and friends who may be on vacation or may need in assistance in searching. There are a lot of resources here to help you search, so please don't stop. It is obviously a difficult time and they want to speak to the public so you can hear it from Kyron's family as they come together to share their message. Their objective is to keep the focus on Kyron and not about anything else."

9:45 p.m. Portland Mountain Rescue receives a call from the Multnomah County Sheriff's Office to join the search.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Lucky7 on August 03, 2010, 02:55:52 PM
Now what the heck does this mean?!?  ::MonkeyEek::


Jonesr(OP)
User ID: 1056778
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8/3/2010 1:58 PM
Report abusive post Re: MY COUSIN HAS JUST BEEN IMPLICATED IN THE KYRON HORMAN CASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Quote

To all;
puzzle solved, it's in here right before your eyes, can you sluth it out?
Gunna have to read it like a book. Opinion will blind you to the truth.

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1141412/pg116
 
I was wondering the same thing!


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 03, 2010, 02:59:53 PM
I have said from the time I feel off the fence on this case, if TH was truly behind it was planned and thought out, that in itself scared me to think a person could harm a child any child.

Which each passing day and each little bread crumb thrown our way it becomes darker and more sinister and I fear for Kyron, and very sad to say with the information being given over the past two days Kyron may very well no longer be with us.  That makes me so sad to type and face.

From the beginning I have said and thought if TH did this she will make Casey Anthony look like little bo peep, have a feeling this is going to go deeper and be far more sinister than anyone wants to know.


So did Rob.

I suspect that Kyron's demise was not part of the plan when Terri took her stepson from the school that morning under the guise of a "doctor's appointment" ... a "doctor's appointment" that Kaine knew nothing about ... a doctor's appointment" that did not exist.

When you consider ... the jacket ... the backpack and ... the science project ...  I suspect Terri's plan was to return Kyron to school after the "doctor's appointment" but something went terribly wrong.

Could Terri have been driving those rural roads ... waiting for Kyron to wake up from a drugged induced sleep ... a drugged induced sleep from which he never did awakened?  Could it be that at this point DeDe enters the scenario?

The big question ... "Why was Kyron in a drugged-induced sleep.

Please note ... the preceeding is a theory ... a figment of Tamikomom's imagination.

Janet


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Blonde on August 03, 2010, 03:00:37 PM
This is disturbing, does anyone know where TH was on June 9th?
http://blogs.wweek.com/news/2010/08/03/kyron-horman-update-one-tipsters-startling-suspicions-and-frustration/#more-49682 (http://blogs.wweek.com/news/2010/08/03/kyron-horman-update-one-tipsters-startling-suspicions-and-frustration/#more-49682)
Wednesday, June 9

Early a.m. Search and rescue crews resume search

Morning Terri Moulton Horman makes her Facebook wall private.

11 a.m. FBI spokeswoman Beth Anne Steele says the Hormon family "is not speaking to the media because they do not believe it's in the best interest of finding Kyron."

Noon At a news briefing, Multnomah County sheriff's Capt. Mike Shults reads a statement from Kyron Horman's immediate family: "Kyron's family would like to thank people for support and interest in finding their son. The outpouring of support and continued effort strengthens their hope. We need for folks to continue to assist us in our goal. Please search your properties -- cars, out buildings, sheds, etc. Also check with neighbors and friends who may be on vacation or may need in assistance in searching. There are a lot of resources here to help you search, so please don't stop. It is obviously a difficult time and they want to speak to the public so you can hear it from Kyron's family as they come together to share their message. Their objective is to keep the focus on Kyron and not about anything else."

9:45 p.m. Portland Mountain Rescue receives a call from the Multnomah County Sheriff's Office to join the search.

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/towedawayhertruck.jpg)


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Tracygirl on August 03, 2010, 03:02:15 PM
Not sure if this was posted yet.

http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2010/07/29/kyron-horman-case-considering-motives/ (http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2010/07/29/kyron-horman-case-considering-motives/)

I’m sharing this for a couple of reasons.  To show that there ARE stepparents out there who are not mature enough and not emotionally stable enough to be stepparents.  As a stepparent I can tell you that I take issue with anyone who wants to try to cast stepparents – in some blanket stereotypical fashion – as evil people.  I think a person is either bad or good – but not by label.  So there are bad parents (note Teghan’s mother, or Casey Anthony) just like there are bad stepparents.  But I also share this with you because I wonder…could this voice a possible motive behind Terri’s thinking – IF she was, in fact, involved in Kyron’s disappearance?  Read these words carefully and consider that question.

From this thread on “iVillage Garden Web:  The internet’s garden & home community” in the forum “Stepfamily”.  Thread title “Can’t accept my Stepson”.

http://www.thathomesite.com/forums/load/step/msg011826118329.html?60

Approximately 3/4’s of the way down the page a post by “stepmom2kids” posted on Saturday, March 13, 2010 at 18:35:

    I hate my step kid too. Its not pleasant to think of your husband with another woman making babies, much less having to care for them yourself as a free babysitter, and all the bull that comes with it. Out in the wild, hippos, lions and various other mammals will kill these offspring. I can’t stand my step kid, and he lives with us Frown
    Anyways, if I didn’t know him I’d say he’s a very sweet kid, that has a speech disorder/learning disorder, and as long as I wouldn’t have to be around him for extended periods of time, I’d like him, or be indifferent. But since he’s my step kid and I’m his main caretaker, I harbor a lot of resentment, that I worry may harm my health carrying all of this secret hate around, or that it will come around band bite me in the ass somehow later on. It is very unnatural having step kids, very unnatural to love them, it goes against nature is how it feels anyway.  I have often wished he’d get out of my life, but we can’t afford to pay child support and I have my own daughter to worry about. If we pay more than we can afford each month, how am I going to take care of my own daughter? That would agonize me much more than gritting my teeth everyday and enduring my stepson’s presence. I too would get up and do the gig if I only had to have him 3weeks out of the year. I used to wish that he would choke to death, and one day at a buffet it actually almost happened, man, did I regret that wish, I cried so much, I felt so sorry for his helpless little face as he chocked for air. I couldn’t have lived with the guilt if he’s dad wouldn’t of been there to save his life. Now I just wish he’d get abducted by aliens or something, Just kidding. He’s okay sometimes, but usually talks like a +++++ behind his years. I think he has some kind of learning disability that makes him very good with numbers, but a social +++++ (in my spiteful opinion). According to the dad he is a genius…Pff.. HAHA! What happened to me, I used to be nice, I still am a very nice person, it was normal for close friends to call me one of the nicest, accepting friends, accepting and befriending anyone for who they were. But being a step mom has brought out the worst in me, and is certainly the hardest thing I have ever had to do. I feel like Angelina Jolie in that movie where the police give her a kid that is not hers and he’s calling her “mom”, she throws a pan at the wall and shrieks, “I’m NOT YOUR MOTHER, DON’T CALL ME THAT!!!”. That’s what I want to do when he calls me mom. Instead I shutter inside, and on the outside, I smile sweetly and say, Yes? This is what my life will be from now on because I married a good guy who already had a kid.

Oh gosh this is the saddest thing I have read in a very long time. I think back to my children's former stepmother/step fathers girl friend and I can imagine her writting this. Heatbreaking.

I love my step daughters, they are my bonus kids. I love the fact I have 2 daughters, after having 3 sons and I didn't have to go through one minute of labor! I love taking care of them. I always make sure they know the home we live in, is our home as a family. I cannot imagine my life without them.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: JessStar on August 03, 2010, 03:04:30 PM
http://www.katu.com/news/local/99801789.html


Kyron’s parents testify before grand jury
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By Thom Jensen KATU News and KATU.com Staff

Story Published: Aug 2, 2010 at 4:38 PM PDT

TIP LINE - (503) 261-2847

PORTLAND, Ore. - The parents of missing 7-year-old Kyron Horman testified before a grand jury Monday afternoon, according to a source at the Multnomah County Courthouse.

Kyron’s mother, Desiree Young, and his stepfather, Tony Young, left the Multnomah County Courthouse out a side door following their testimony and were escorted by sheriff’s deputies.

They said nothing and left in an unmarked car.

Kyron’s father, Kaine Horman, left separately after more than three hours of speaking with jurors. He also had no comment.

DeDe Spicher, a close friend of Kyron’s stepmother,Terri Horman, was asked to testify before the grand jury last week but never actually spoke to jurors.

Sources have said Terri and DeDe have not been able to account for an hour and a half to two hours on the morning of June 4.

Neither Terri Horman nor DeDe Spicher have been charged with any crimes or named suspects in the case, but the family has said they believe Terri was involved in Kyron’s disappearance and that DeDe knows something.

Last Friday Desiree Young made a plea for anyone who knows Terri or DeDe to come forward.

“They need to come forward even if they have nothing, even if they have something small, they need to come forward because it could be the smallest piece that helps solve it,” she said. “If they know them or have talked to them ever, they need to come forward and just share what they know.”

KATU News has been told that Spicher is now talking to detectives but it is unknown if she will be called back to testify before jurors.

If she is forced to talk, she would be granted immunity under Oregon law.

The grand jury in this case could hear testimony for weeks or months and it could also hand off the case to a new grand jury. Experts say testimony usually wraps up within a couple of weeks and the process of getting answers and a possible indictment in the case is moving forward.

“It’s clear that the district attorney, who is the legal adviser to the grand jury, is now confident enough to start this process. Hopefully, that will lead to an indictment,” said Bruce McCain, an attorney and former Multnomah County sheriff’s captain.

“They (Kyron’s parents) are probably going to be the first in a long list of civilian witnesses who will be joining the investigators and boxes and boxes of evidence in this process,” he said.

The district attorney’s office won’t confirm how long the grand jury has been seated or how long it expects jurors to hear testimony.

I am pleased.

As long as DeDe was only involved in assisting Terri in covering up wrongdoing committed against the person of Kyron ... I believe that immunity from prosecution in exchange for the truth is a necessary compromise.

Janet



 

If it leads to finding Kyron, I agree, depending, of course, on the extent of the "cover up."  If it doesn't lead to finding this child, then I wholeheartedly disagree.  For example, if she helped "cover up" the crime by disposing of material evidence, then no way is it a fair compromise.  But if Terri confided in her and she just decided to shut her pie whole, and she didn't otherwise do something affirmative to cover up a crime, then ok.  But think of the pain she has caused so many people and then decide whether she deserves to be let off "scot free."

Once Kyron is found, time no longer matters.  So I say wait it out, have patience, then nail every SOB that had a hand in the cookie jar. 


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 03, 2010, 03:14:51 PM
This is disturbing, does anyone know where TH was on June 9th?
http://blogs.wweek.com/news/2010/08/03/kyron-horman-update-one-tipsters-startling-suspicions-and-frustration/#more-49682 (http://blogs.wweek.com/news/2010/08/03/kyron-horman-update-one-tipsters-startling-suspicions-and-frustration/#more-49682)
Wednesday, June 9

Early a.m. Search and rescue crews resume search

Morning Terri Moulton Horman makes her Facebook wall private.

11 a.m. FBI spokeswoman Beth Anne Steele says the Hormon family "is not speaking to the media because they do not believe it's in the best interest of finding Kyron."

Noon At a news briefing, Multnomah County sheriff's Capt. Mike Shults reads a statement from Kyron Horman's immediate family: "Kyron's family would like to thank people for support and interest in finding their son. The outpouring of support and continued effort strengthens their hope. We need for folks to continue to assist us in our goal. Please search your properties -- cars, out buildings, sheds, etc. Also check with neighbors and friends who may be on vacation or may need in assistance in searching. There are a lot of resources here to help you search, so please don't stop. It is obviously a difficult time and they want to speak to the public so you can hear it from Kyron's family as they come together to share their message. Their objective is to keep the focus on Kyron and not about anything else."

9:45 p.m. Portland Mountain Rescue receives a call from the Multnomah County Sheriff's Office to join the search.

Thanks Blonde.

This is another "scratch you head" moment.  Why did Kyron's family made the decision not to go public for almost two weeks following the disappearance?

Was it all about damage control regarding family dynamics?

Janet

+++++


Dateline NBC puts story of missing Kyron in national eye
Published: Monday, July 26, 2010, 11:17 PM
Updated: Tuesday, July 27, 2010, 4:26 PM


And Medford Police Detective Tony Young, Kyron's stepfather, offered his take on the what happened June 4, the day Kyron was last reported seen.

“I absolutely believe that Terri Horman is involved in Kyron's disappearance,” he said. 

Young said he suspected Moulton Horman early on, when he was explaining to the family how their privacy would disappear as detective proceeded with their investigation.

“She instantly started to express some displeasure at that, feeling like she was being persecuted,” he said. “I thought that was an unusual reaction so early.”

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/07/dateline_nbc_highlights_puts_s.html


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Itaryl Moosee on August 03, 2010, 03:19:36 PM
A number of years ago ... I took a sabatical from work when my two eldest were preschoolers.  In that period we had two children in our care for almost two years.  Jessica was three months and ... brother Jason was three years old.

It was love at first embrace.  Two years later when these children were taken from our home and returned by CPS to their biological mother ... our family and extented family missed them terribly.  I cried myself to sleep for a month and vowed never to take in foster children again ... the hurt of separation was too much to bear.  However ... life went on and ... the hurt faded with time.

My point is ... I thought I loved these two little munkins as my own but ... I now realize ... looking back ... I did not.  If my own had be taken permantly from my care ... life would not have gone on ... the hurt would not have faded with time.

Janet

Maybe it is not the same, the attachment/love for biological children versus for adopted/foster children. I don't know.

But, I do know a few adoptive parents, who they swear love their adopted children just the same as they love their biological ones.

Maybe in your case you knew deep inside that one day the state would come for them? I hope the two kids are in a loving family atmosphere with a recovered mother.

I'm sure you treasure the time spent with them.

I can't help to think that if your separation from them was so painful, imagine what the two children went through, specially the little one who was three months when you got her and was over two years when she left.

Kyron was obviously loved by his father, based on the many pictures of them around the net. He may have been a lousy husband, but he seemed a fine dad to Kyron and Kiara.

But, looking from another angle... just as Terri wouldn't make step-mom of the year, Kaine wasn't too thrilled with James, either... and I wonder if he ever kept in touch with Quinn.



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Scatty on August 03, 2010, 03:22:16 PM
Here’s the main portion of an email McCain sent:
This morning around 9:00 am I received a telephone call from Mark DeWitt, a 51-year old single farmer who lives in Riddle, Oregon. … When I took his call he expressed relief in “finally talking to a human” after leaving unanswered calls to the MCSO tip line. I told him I no longer worked at MCSO and I am not part of the investigation at all. He understood that but asked me to pass this info along to the authorities.

DeWitt told me he was driving on 99W near Junction City around noon on Wednesday, June 9–the same day Captain Mike Shults delivered his press statement without the families present. DeWitt said a white pick-up truck driven by a female with brown or reddish hair came up fast behind him. He noticed in his rear view mirror that a boy with short dark hair and glasses kept popping his head up in the front seat, only to have the driver push his head down. The pick-up passed DeWitt and turned on a gravel road near an old mill site in or near the town of Monroe, Oregon. DeWitt said the pickup turned onto a side road where it stopped to meet a “cranberry” color sedan from which a heavy set red head female and a male wearing a baseball cap emerged. DeWitt said the pickup driver got out and took the boy into a heavily wooded area where they were followed by the other two–with the male carrying a shovel he removed from the sedan trunk.  DeWitt continued into town where he stopped at a gas station to ask for directions to his destination, which I think was a grain elevator for seed. While out of his vehicle, DeWitt said he heard what sounded like a single gun shot coming from the general vicinity of where he saw the three adults and boy. DeWitt then said he later pulled into a rest area on 99W to use the rest room. As he was heading back onto the road, he was behind a slow moving motor home that was pulling onto the highway.  DeWitt said he then saw the pickup again speeding with the sedan behind it about to collide with the motor home. He said the truck slammed on its brakes and barely stopped short of colliding with the motor home, but the sedan skidded and collided with the rear of the white pickup. DeWitt said it was not a major crash, but the sedan might have some slight front end damage and the pickup might show signs of a “paint swap” in the rear.
DeWitt said he does not watch much television and did not put all of these pieces together until he started following the Kyron story on the news. He said he has called the tip line three times, but with no answer. He also said he reported the incident to a “Eugene Deputy” (not sure if Eugene PD or Lane County Sheriff) shortly thereafter, but before he realized the possible significance of what he saw. I asked him what he wanted me to do with this information and he just wants a “real person” to go check the area – which he says he has since revisited. I told him that’s not a good idea since it might be a crime scene.

I had to leave for another appointment but I called him back around 12:45 while on the road. I asked him if he knew I was an attorney and he said No, he only saw me described as a retired MCSO Captain. I wanted to verify he was not seeking legal advice or representation and we agreed there never was any lawyer-client relationship established. I told him I would pass his story on to someone I knew “high up” in the investigation. But I also told him that one reason why he might not have received a call back is that investigators knew where Terri and the pickup were around 12 noon on Wednesday, June 9.

http://blogs.wweek.com/news/2010/08/03/kyron-horman-update-one-tipsters-startling-suspicions-and-frustration/

and the post i made about the painting the car, with scoopy and jonser
seems weird
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8338.msg1197727#msg1197727



OMG why didn't LE go check this out I feel sick. Is this for real ::MonkeyShocked::

This does sound grim. But I was just noticing something (see bolded purple) that puzzles me. Isn't that an awful lot for DeWitt to notice WHILE HE WAS DRIVING??


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Tracygirl on August 03, 2010, 03:22:28 PM
lol I think I wrote that my children's step father had a girl friend, no that is not what I meant. My husband, their step dad does not have a girl friend.  What I meant was my ex husband had a live in girlfriend that he called his wife although they were not married and my children called her their step mother.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on August 03, 2010, 03:25:38 PM
Scatty that is quite a bit to all notice while the man was driving  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: JessStar on August 03, 2010, 03:32:35 PM
BREAKING NEWS:

Desiree, Kaine and Tony to testify for a Multnomah County grand jury beginning 1 p.m

http://www.katu.com/

do you think they are preparing for an arrest?

The Grand Jury would have to return an indictment first.  If these three witnesses are being called to testify, it says to me that the Grand Jury is still taking evidence.

Jess, forgive me if you've already addressed this, but how long in duration will a Grand Jury usually sit? I'm sure it varies by jurisdiction, but is there a "ballpark" amount of time we can expect evidence to be heard/collected/etc?

It certainly varies from state to state, and it really depends on what the grand jury is being asked to do.  It is my recollection that Oregon works off a rolling grand jury system.  In other words, all crimes come before the court by way of grand jury indictment and grand juries sit whenever the court is in session. I don't believe Oregon imposes a time limitation, but I'm not 100% sure of that either.  Oregon's system does differ from other states that have defined time periods when grand juries sit, and they usually sit for about 2 weeks except in instances when law enforcement requests that a special grand jury be empaneled.  Oregon also handles grand juries by county, which means every county can set its own rules as long as they follow the minimum requirements set forth in Oregon's statutes.



Multnomah County seats jurors for 1 month when selected for the grand jury.

http://courts.oregon.gov/Multnomah/General_Info/Jury_Service/Length_of_Service.page?

Your term of service is for one day or until the trial you are selected for is over, whichever is longer. If you are selected to be on a jury for a trial that lasts longer than one day, your service lasts to the end of the trial. Please be aware that many trials will last longer than one day. You may also sit on more than one trial in the one-day period. If you are selected for a grand jury (a small number of individuals may be selected for these), your service will be for one month.

This doesn't really answer the question being asked, which is "is there a "ballpark" amount of time we can expect evidence to be heard/collected/etc?"  The answer is no because this particular grand jury can pass the case to the next grand jury if it doesn't complete its job within a month.  That process can on for a long time.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Lucky7 on August 03, 2010, 03:36:09 PM
cousin Tom still going at it...

Jonesr(OP)
User ID: 973029
 United States
8/3/2010 3:24 PM

Re: MY COUSIN HAS JUST BEEN IMPLICATED IN THE KYRON HORMAN CASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Quote

Are you guys still fighting? Over a stranger? Read more post less.
Stop. Go back. Read with out hate. You will see what has been said to me. I caught on right away.
Has humanity sunk so low?
Have we lost the ability to see? Comprehend?
I'm dead serious, it's here.
If your still posting, you will have to wait for the press to tell ya.
We are adults fighting like children, go back and figure it out.
You see the mystery, you can taste it, sence it.
Just read. I'm fine with all opinions here now.
Thank you daisy duke.


Snipped from Glp...


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
Post by: nicubird on August 03, 2010, 03:38:54 PM


This doesn't really answer the question being asked, which is "is there a "ballpark" amount of time we can expect evidence to be heard/collected/etc?"  The answer is no because this particular grand jury can pass the case to the next grand jury if it doesn't complete its job within a month.  That process can on for a long time.


Thanks Jess. I wasn't trying to address the unanswerable question that you covered so succinctly. Simply clarifying that in Multnomah County a specific panel would be in service for 1 month before turning over the task to the next jury's service.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on August 03, 2010, 03:40:50 PM
cousin Tom still going at it...

Jonesr(OP)
User ID: 973029
 United States
8/3/2010 3:24 PM

Re: MY COUSIN HAS JUST BEEN IMPLICATED IN THE KYRON HORMAN CASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Quote

Are you guys still fighting? Over a stranger? Read more post less.
Stop. Go back. Read with out hate. You will see what has been said to me. I caught on right away.
Has humanity sunk so low?
Have we lost the ability to see? Comprehend?
I'm dead serious, it's here.
If your still posting, you will have to wait for the press to tell ya.
We are adults fighting like children, go back and figure it out.
You see the mystery, you can taste it, sence it.
Just read. I'm fine with all opinions here now.
Thank you daisy duke.


Snipped from Glp...
WTH  ::MonkeyEek::  I'm beginning to wonder about this guy.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: ospainter on August 03, 2010, 03:43:04 PM
 anitakissee-twitter
 
PLEASE! Do NOT believe everything you read about the #KyronHorman case. 1 minute ago via web


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on August 03, 2010, 03:44:30 PM
anitakissee-twitter
 
PLEASE! Do NOT believe everything you read about the #KyronHorman case. 1 minute ago via web
Thanks OS.  I know that I sure don't.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Brandi on August 03, 2010, 03:48:01 PM
anitakissee-twitter
 
PLEASE! Do NOT believe everything you read about the #KyronHorman case. 1 minute ago via web

Wonder what she is referring to, specifically.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 03, 2010, 03:48:47 PM
A number of years ago ... I took a sabatical from work when my two eldest were preschoolers.  In that period we had two children in our care for almost two years.  Jessica was three months and ... brother Jason was three years old.

It was love at first embrace.  Two years later when these children were taken from our home and returned by CPS to their biological mother ... our family and extented family missed them terribly.  I cried myself to sleep for a month and vowed never to take in foster children again ... the hurt of separation was too much to bear.  However ... life went on and ... the hurt faded with time.

My point is ... I thought I loved these two little munkins as my own but ... I now realize ... looking back ... I did not.  If my own had be taken permantly from my care ... life would not have gone on ... the hurt would not have faded with time.

Janet

Maybe it is not the same, the attachment/love for biological children versus for adopted/foster children. I don't know.

But, I do know a few adoptive parents, who they swear love their adopted children just the same as they love their biological ones.

Maybe in your case you knew deep inside that one day the state would come for them? I hope the two kids are in a loving family atmosphere with a recovered mother.

I'm sure you treasure the time spent with them.

I can't help to think that if your separation from them was so painful, imagine what the two children went through, specially the little one who was three months when you got her and was over two years when she left.

Kyron was obviously loved by his father, based on the many pictures of them around the net. He may have been a lousy husband, but he seemed a fine dad to Kyron and Kiara.

But, looking from another angle... just as Terri wouldn't make step-mom of the year, Kaine wasn't too thrilled with James, either... and I wonder if he ever kept in touch with Quinn.



We realized the placement of these two precious children would be temporary but ... almost two years later you begin to think ... maybe ... just maybe.  During this period the childrens' biological grandparents and extended family prayed daily that Jessica and Jason would remain in our home as ... their mother had some real "issues".  As it turned out the Mom did turn her life around and married a very supported husband.  They were not raised according to hubby and my "little box" but ... they were raised with love.  We receive a card with a note every Christmas from Aunt and Uncle ... a note sharing the progress and photos of these now grown kids at a very young age who touched our lives.

Janet


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Itaryl Moosee on August 03, 2010, 03:49:40 PM
This is disturbing, does anyone know where TH was on June 9th?
http://blogs.wweek.com/news/2010/08/03/kyron-horman-update-one-tipsters-startling-suspicions-and-frustration/#more-49682 (http://blogs.wweek.com/news/2010/08/03/kyron-horman-update-one-tipsters-startling-suspicions-and-frustration/#more-49682)

As far as I know, Terri was given an escort (AKA "Tail") from the second day of Kyron's disappearance. Everywhere she went, the tail went with her.

So, either this man saw someone else doing what he described, or his hot cider has come from the bad batch.

It doesn't hurt to check, but...

One would wonder, IF he heard a shot or shots coming from the area... why didn't he (or anyone else who heard the shot) call 911 IMMEDIATELY?

IF he witnessed a car accident, why didn't he (or anyone else who saw it) call 911 then?

IF his account is correct, he witnessed... a white truck and a cranberry sedan stop by the side of the road, three people (including a child) getting out, one of them getting a shovel, and then the three continued to walk towards the field. This in maybe three seconds that took for him to pass them. Or, did this guy stop to watch?

He then does an errand and on the way back, he finds the two vehicles speeding, and both vehicles hit each other, instead of a camper that was going too slow.  Did the two people driving the cars not see the guy, the one telling this story, and not worry if he would identify them in the future?

This guy has seen pictures of Terri and Dede on the local television news and maybe somewhere else. He knows what Terri and Dede looks like. IF he saw either of them, in the field, with the child, carrying the shovel... why wouldn't he say so?

I doubt his story.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: mchenry on August 03, 2010, 03:51:40 PM
http://www.kgw.com/news/kyron-horman/2-months-later-where-is-Kyron-Horman-99784814.html

Kyron Horman's dad appears before grand jury

by By ANNE M. PETERSON AP Writer and KGW.com Staff

kgw.com
Posted on August 2, 2010 at 1:24 PM
Updated today at 9:31 AM


PORTLAND, Ore.  -- The father of missing seven-year-old Kyron Horman confirmed to KGW that he appeared before the grand jury Monday and could possibly be returning on Tuesday.

Kaine Horman told KGW that he appeared before the grand jury in the Multnomah County Courthouse but he did not elaborate on whether he testified.  He was seen exiting the courthouse with Kyron's mother, Desiree Young and her husband, Tony Young on Tuesday afternoon. However, Kaine did not say whether the other two appeared before the grand jury as well.

(snipped)

"Sources" reported that Kaine spent three hours testifying before the GJ on Monday.  What relevant knowledge could he be revealing?

Janet

++++

Kyron Horman case update: Parents of missing Oregon boy testified before grand jury Monday (video)
August 3, 1:01 AM


The parents of missing Oregon boy Kyron Horman testified before a grand jury on Monday afternoon regarding his disappearance.

His biological mother Desiree Young and her husband, Tony Young, exited the Multnomah County Courthouse escorted by sheriff’s deputies following their testimony.

Kyron’s father, Kaine Horman left after testifying before jurors for three hours.

According to KATU, the grand jury could hear testimony in the matter for weeks or even months.

http://www.examiner.com/x-1168-Crime-Examiner~y2010m8d3-Kyron-Horman-case-update-Parents-of-missing-Oregon-boy-testified-before-grand-jury-Monday-video


Thanks for the link Janet! GJ could take days, weeks, or MONTHS! Good Gawd! I will have all of my hair pulled out by then. Kaine going in/out of GJ was carrying a backpack. Wonder what he had in it?


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: klaasend on August 03, 2010, 03:51:54 PM
anitakissee-twitter
 
PLEASE! Do NOT believe everything you read about the #KyronHorman case. 1 minute ago via web

I wonder if she is referring to something specific?


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: ospainter on August 03, 2010, 03:52:09 PM
anitakissee-twitter
 
PLEASE! Do NOT believe everything you read about the #KyronHorman case. 1 minute ago via web
Thanks OS.  I know that I sure don't.

YW

I don't either..

OS


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: grumpychick on August 03, 2010, 03:53:06 PM
cousin Tom still going at it...

Jonesr(OP)
User ID: 973029
 United States
8/3/2010 3:24 PM

Re: MY COUSIN HAS JUST BEEN IMPLICATED IN THE KYRON HORMAN CASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Quote

Are you guys still fighting? Over a stranger? Read more post less.
Stop. Go back. Read with out hate. You will see what has been said to me. I caught on right away.
Has humanity sunk so low?
Have we lost the ability to see? Comprehend?
I'm dead serious, it's here.
If your still posting, you will have to wait for the press to tell ya.
We are adults fighting like children, go back and figure it out.
You see the mystery, you can taste it, sence it.
Just read. I'm fine with all opinions here now.
Thank you daisy duke.


Snipped from Glp...
WTH  ::MonkeyEek::  I'm beginning to wonder about this guy.

I feel like that Double Rainbow Guy, "WHAT DOES IT MEAN?"


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on August 03, 2010, 03:55:54 PM
grumpychick  ::MonkeyHaHa::  I have read it two times, and have no idea.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Brandi on August 03, 2010, 03:55:59 PM
This is disturbing, does anyone know where TH was on June 9th?
http://blogs.wweek.com/news/2010/08/03/kyron-horman-update-one-tipsters-startling-suspicions-and-frustration/#more-49682 (http://blogs.wweek.com/news/2010/08/03/kyron-horman-update-one-tipsters-startling-suspicions-and-frustration/#more-49682)

As far as I know, Terri was given an escort (AKA "Tail") from the second day of Kyron's disappearance. Everywhere she went, the tail went with her.

So, either this man saw someone else doing what he described, or his hot cider has come from the bad batch.

It doesn't hurt to check, but...

One would wonder, IF he heard a shot or shots coming from the area... why didn't he (or anyone else who heard the shot) call 911 IMMEDIATELY?

IF he witnessed a car accident, why didn't he (or anyone else who saw it) call 911 then?

IF his account is correct, he witnessed... a white truck and a cranberry sedan stop by the side of the road, three people (including a child) getting out, one of them getting a shovel, and then the three continued to walk towards the field. This in maybe three seconds that took for him to pass them. Or, did this guy stop to watch?

He then does an errand and on the way back, he finds the two vehicles speeding, and both vehicles hit each other, instead of a camper that was going too slow.  Did the two people driving the cars not see the guy, the one telling this story, and not worry if he would identify them in the future?

This guy has seen pictures of Terri and Dede on the local television news and maybe somewhere else. He knows what Terri and Dede looks like. IF he saw either of them, in the field, with the child, carrying the shovel... why wouldn't he say so?

I doubt his story.

...and to think this is just one of thousands of "tips" LE is dealing with.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: mediamama on August 03, 2010, 03:56:58 PM
cousin Tom still going at it...

Jonesr(OP)
User ID: 973029
 United States
8/3/2010 3:24 PM

Re: MY COUSIN HAS JUST BEEN IMPLICATED IN THE KYRON HORMAN CASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Quote

Are you guys still fighting? Over a stranger? Read more post less.
Stop. Go back. Read with out hate. You will see what has been said to me. I caught on right away.
Has humanity sunk so low?
Have we lost the ability to see? Comprehend?
I'm dead serious, it's here.
If your still posting, you will have to wait for the press to tell ya.
We are adults fighting like children, go back and figure it out.
You see the mystery, you can taste it, sence it.
Just read. I'm fine with all opinions here now.
Thank you daisy duke.


Snipped from Glp...
WTH  ::MonkeyEek::  I'm beginning to wonder about this guy.

I feel like that Double Rainbow Guy, "WHAT DOES IT MEAN?"

Hahahahaha, a Double Rainbow reference! Thanks for bringing a smile to my face.  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: klaasend on August 03, 2010, 03:58:38 PM
anitakissee-twitter
 
PLEASE! Do NOT believe everything you read about the #KyronHorman case. 1 minute ago via web
Thanks OS.  I know that I sure don't.

YW

I don't either..

OS

I believe she is referring to this:

http://blogs.wweek.com/news/2010/08/03/kyron-horman-update-one-tipsters-startling-suspicions-and-frustration/#more-49682

If you follow her twitter back:

http://twitter.com/anitakissee

 
@AmyWalcott IT IS NOT CONFIRMED. MCSO claims Lane County Sheriff's Office investigated claim & found no connection to #KyronHorman 21 minutes ago via web in reply to AmyWalcott

Then you go to AmyWalcott - you will see the link to that article.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: cw618 on August 03, 2010, 03:59:33 PM
jonesr update
Jonesr(OP)
User ID: 1056881
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8/3/2010 3:40 PM
Report abusive post Re: MY COUSIN HAS JUST BEEN IMPLICATED IN THE KYRON HORMAN CASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Quote

To all; a clue.
This is not my home.
Read
 http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1141412/pg117

WTH, jonesr


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: sassifrass on August 03, 2010, 04:01:51 PM
Quote
So, either this man saw someone else doing what he described, or his hot cider has come from the bad batch.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::  ::MonkeyTongue:: I nearly fell of my chair laughing!

Ah.... thanks for the well needed humor!


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 03, 2010, 04:03:14 PM
anitakissee-twitter
 
PLEASE! Do NOT believe everything you read about the #KyronHorman case. 1 minute ago via web

Anita

Please compile two lists for us regarding all that has been reported in the past two months.  One headed ... LIES.  The other headed ... TRUTHS.

Thank you

Janet


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: ospainter on August 03, 2010, 04:06:14 PM
anitakissee-twitter
 
PLEASE! Do NOT believe everything you read about the #KyronHorman case. 1 minute ago via web

I wonder if she is referring to something specific?

That's all she said, will post if she says anything else.

OS




Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Lucky7 on August 03, 2010, 04:08:56 PM
anitakissee-twitter
 
PLEASE! Do NOT believe everything you read about the #KyronHorman case. 1 minute ago via web
Thanks OS.  I know that I sure don't.

YW

I don't either..

OS

I believe she is referring to this:

http://blogs.wweek.com/news/2010/08/03/kyron-horman-update-one-tipsters-startling-suspicions-and-frustration/#more-49682

If you follow her twitter back:

http://twitter.com/anitakissee

 
@AmyWalcott IT IS NOT CONFIRMED. MCSO claims Lane County Sheriff's Office investigated claim & found no connection to #KyronHorman 21 minutes ago via web in reply to AmyWalcott

Then you go to AmyWalcott - you will see the link to that article.
if that is tied to the tip Lane County Sheriff's Office is over 2 hrs from logie trail/skyline school ect..


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on August 03, 2010, 04:09:43 PM
Thanks Klaas for the explanation of the tweet.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: O4Bull on August 03, 2010, 04:14:13 PM
I would like to say that I am not a friend, relative or supporter of TH, Dede, or any of the culprits suspicioned in this case.  The only person I support is Kyron and I would like to push off a cliff the persons responsible for his disappearance.
I would like to say that I agree with you, in every point, especially the last one.  ::rhino::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: mariloo on August 03, 2010, 04:16:25 PM
cousin Tom still going at it...

Jonesr(OP)
User ID: 973029
 United States
8/3/2010 3:24 PM

Re: MY COUSIN HAS JUST BEEN IMPLICATED IN THE KYRON HORMAN CASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Quote

Are you guys still fighting? Over a stranger? Read more post less.
Stop. Go back. Read with out hate. You will see what has been said to me. I caught on right away.
Has humanity sunk so low?
Have we lost the ability to see? Comprehend?
I'm dead serious, it's here.
If your still posting, you will have to wait for the press to tell ya.
We are adults fighting like children, go back and figure it out.
You see the mystery, you can taste it, sence it.
Just read. I'm fine with all opinions here now.
Thank you daisy duke.


Snipped from Glp...
WTH  ::MonkeyEek::  I'm beginning to wonder about this guy.

I feel like that Double Rainbow Guy, "WHAT DOES IT MEAN?"

Sounds like he/she is high on something!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 03, 2010, 04:17:22 PM
cousin Tom still going at it...

Jonesr(OP)
User ID: 973029
 United States
8/3/2010 3:24 PM

Re: MY COUSIN HAS JUST BEEN IMPLICATED IN THE KYRON HORMAN CASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Quote

Are you guys still fighting? Over a stranger? Read more post less.
Stop. Go back. Read with out hate. You will see what has been said to me. I caught on right away.
Has humanity sunk so low?
Have we lost the ability to see? Comprehend?
I'm dead serious, it's here.
If your still posting, you will have to wait for the press to tell ya.
We are adults fighting like children, go back and figure it out.
You see the mystery, you can taste it, sence it.
Just read. I'm fine with all opinions here now.
Thank you daisy duke.


Snipped from Glp...
WTH  ::MonkeyEek::  I'm beginning to wonder about this guy.

Me too.

I think I will stick to "Reliable Source".  Maybe one of our researcher is able to come up with a photo of our elusive Mr. Source.

Janet
 


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Brandi on August 03, 2010, 04:18:42 PM
anitakissee-twitter
 
PLEASE! Do NOT believe everything you read about the #KyronHorman case. 1 minute ago via web

Anita

Please compile two lists for us regarding all that has been reported in the past two months.  One headed ... LIES.  The other headed ... TRUTHS.

Thank you

Janet


heh .. .what makes you think she knows which are which?

Just sayin`.

 ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: marycat on August 03, 2010, 04:21:16 PM
cousin Tom still going at it...

Jonesr(OP)
User ID: 973029
 United States
8/3/2010 3:24 PM

Re: MY COUSIN HAS JUST BEEN IMPLICATED IN THE KYRON HORMAN CASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Quote

Are you guys still fighting? Over a stranger? Read more post less.
Stop. Go back. Read with out hate. You will see what has been said to me. I caught on right away.
Has humanity sunk so low?
Have we lost the ability to see? Comprehend?
I'm dead serious, it's here.
If your still posting, you will have to wait for the press to tell ya.
We are adults fighting like children, go back and figure it out.
You see the mystery, you can taste it, sence it.
Just read. I'm fine with all opinions here now.
Thank you daisy duke.


Snipped from Glp...

Is Jonesr and Jonessr(OP) the same person? I have seen links to posts with both user names. What does (OP) stand for?

Also a poster on Oregonlive.com says:

Looks like big doings today at the courthouse... I just walked while by getting my lunch and it appears every single TV channel/network was there and ready to go "live".

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/08/multnomah_county_shericomb_thr/4053/comments-newest.html



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Lucky7 on August 03, 2010, 04:24:48 PM
cousin Tom still going at it...

Jonesr(OP)
User ID: 973029
 United States
8/3/2010 3:24 PM

Re: MY COUSIN HAS JUST BEEN IMPLICATED IN THE KYRON HORMAN CASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Quote

Are you guys still fighting? Over a stranger? Read more post less.
Stop. Go back. Read with out hate. You will see what has been said to me. I caught on right away.
Has humanity sunk so low?
Have we lost the ability to see? Comprehend?
I'm dead serious, it's here.
If your still posting, you will have to wait for the press to tell ya.
We are adults fighting like children, go back and figure it out.
You see the mystery, you can taste it, sence it.
Just read. I'm fine with all opinions here now.
Thank you daisy duke.


Snipped from Glp...

Is Jonesr and Jonessr(OP) the same person? I have seen links to posts with both user names. What does (OP) stand for?

Also a poster on Oregonlive.com says:

Looks like big doings today at the courthouse... I just walked while by getting my lunch and it appears every single TV channel/network was there and ready to go "live".

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/08/multnomah_county_shericomb_thr/4053/comments-newest.html


Hi Marycat :) yes they are the same.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: ospainter on August 03, 2010, 04:31:44 PM
anitakissee-twitter
 
PLEASE! Do NOT believe everything you read about the #KyronHorman case. 1 minute ago via web
Thanks OS.  I know that I sure don't.

YW

I don't either..

OS

I believe she is referring to this:

http://blogs.wweek.com/news/2010/08/03/kyron-horman-update-one-tipsters-startling-suspicions-and-frustration/#more-49682

If you follow her twitter back:

http://twitter.com/anitakissee

 
@AmyWalcott IT IS NOT CONFIRMED. MCSO claims Lane County Sheriff's Office investigated claim & found no connection to #KyronHorman 21 minutes ago via web in reply to AmyWalcott

Then you go to AmyWalcott - you will see the link to that article.

Klaas

TY I was just coming to post that.

I must admit is was a blanket statement to make over 1 issue. But what do I know.

OS


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: mediamama on August 03, 2010, 04:34:55 PM
cousin Tom still going at it...

Jonesr(OP)
User ID: 973029
 United States
8/3/2010 3:24 PM

Re: MY COUSIN HAS JUST BEEN IMPLICATED IN THE KYRON HORMAN CASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Quote

Are you guys still fighting? Over a stranger? Read more post less.
Stop. Go back. Read with out hate. You will see what has been said to me. I caught on right away.
Has humanity sunk so low?
Have we lost the ability to see? Comprehend?
I'm dead serious, it's here.
If your still posting, you will have to wait for the press to tell ya.
We are adults fighting like children, go back and figure it out.
You see the mystery, you can taste it, sence it.
Just read. I'm fine with all opinions here now.
Thank you daisy duke.


Snipped from Glp...
WTH  ::MonkeyEek::  I'm beginning to wonder about this guy.

Me too.

I think I will stick to "Reliable Source".  Maybe one of our researcher is able to come up with a photo of our elusive Mr. Source.

Janet
 

Me three.

One thing I have learned since following these boards:

There are a lot of nutjobs out there!


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Itaryl Moosee on August 03, 2010, 04:37:36 PM
...and to think this is just one of thousands of "tips" LE is dealing with.

I think it is people desperately wanting to "help" or do something for either bringing Kyron home, or getting the reward money, that they begin to "see" more into things.

I can imagine that out of the 3,500 "tips" only four or five are REALLY related to Kyron Horman's case. LE (God bless them!) are checking each and every one of those tips, so they deserve some credit.

Now, if only those who have clues to what REALLY happened were to speak out...


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: marycat on August 03, 2010, 04:37:52 PM
cousin Tom still going at it...

Jonesr(OP)
User ID: 973029
 United States
8/3/2010 3:24 PM

Re: MY COUSIN HAS JUST BEEN IMPLICATED IN THE KYRON HORMAN CASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Quote

Are you guys still fighting? Over a stranger? Read more post less.
Stop. Go back. Read with out hate. You will see what has been said to me. I caught on right away.
Has humanity sunk so low?
Have we lost the ability to see? Comprehend?
I'm dead serious, it's here.
If your still posting, you will have to wait for the press to tell ya.
We are adults fighting like children, go back and figure it out.
You see the mystery, you can taste it, sence it.
Just read. I'm fine with all opinions here now.
Thank you daisy duke.


Snipped from Glp...

Is Jonesr and Jonessr(OP) the same person? I have seen links to posts with both user names. What does (OP) stand for?

Also a poster on Oregonlive.com says:

Looks like big doings today at the courthouse... I just walked while by getting my lunch and it appears every single TV channel/network was there and ready to go "live".

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/08/multnomah_county_shericomb_thr/4053/comments-newest.html


Hi Marycat :) yes they are the same.

Thanks, Lucky!


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Lucky7 on August 03, 2010, 04:40:30 PM
YW marycat  :)


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: cw618 on August 03, 2010, 04:55:31 PM
this much is true from dewitt, there is a restroom
im still checking the area out though, he could be a 15min fame

DeWitt then said he later pulled into a rest area on 99W to use the rest room.
http://blogs.wweek.com/news/2010/08/03/kyron-horman-update-one-tipsters-startling-suspicions-and-frustration/#more-49682
------------------------------------------
OR99W
 
47
 Washburne Wayside State Park - Northbound with Southbound signing and access
4 miles northwest of Junction City (milepost 104.6)
Restrooms, Picnic Table, Drinking Water, Kiosk/Historical Marker.
http://www.tripcheck.com/pages/raentry.asp#47
http://www.tripcheck.com/pages/raentry.asp
 


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: cw618 on August 03, 2010, 04:59:10 PM
Quote
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8338.msg1197818#msg1197818
Is Jonesr and Jonessr(OP) the same person? I have seen links to posts with both user names. What does (OP) stand for?

original poster usually


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: klaasend on August 03, 2010, 04:59:48 PM
My whole problem with that account is the date, June 9th.  No way would Terri have been driving around with Kyron on June 9th.  By June 9th LE was already suspicious of her, IMO.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on August 03, 2010, 05:00:43 PM
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/08/multnomah_county_shericomb_thr/4053/comments-newest-12.html        In the comment section page 12 there is a mention about a friend of Terri who received a subpoena to testify at the grand jury. Her name is Chelsea Aleshire. Never seen this name mentioned before.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: cookie on August 03, 2010, 05:01:30 PM
that is so sad what the poster said about her little step son! I wish that the father could see what she has written and take that little boy out of there! makes me sick.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on August 03, 2010, 05:01:48 PM
My whole problem with that account is the date, June 9th.  No way would Terri have been driving around with Kyron on June 9th.  By June 9th LE was already suspicious of her, IMO.
Agree, that doesn't even make sense.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: tupelohoney on August 03, 2010, 05:10:12 PM
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/08/multnomah_county_shericomb_thr/4053/comments-newest-12.html        In the comment section page 12 there is a mention about a friend of Terri who received a subpoena to testify at the grand jury. Her name is Chelsea Aleshire. Never seen this name mentioned before.

Her FB page      http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1414730333&ref=search


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on August 03, 2010, 05:11:49 PM
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/08/multnomah_county_shericomb_thr/4053/comments-newest-12.html        In the comment section page 12 there is a mention about a friend of Terri who received a subpoena to testify at the grand jury. Her name is Chelsea Aleshire. Never seen this name mentioned before.

Her FB page      http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1414730333&ref=search
Thank-you


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: seahorse on August 03, 2010, 05:13:31 PM

http://www.kptv.com/news/24499150/detail.html

 ::MonkeyJnBox::

PORTLAND, Ore. -- Another friend of Terri Horman has been subpoenaed to testify before a grand jury this week as the investigation into 7-year-old Kyron Horman's disappearance reached its 61st day.

The woman, who identified herself as a close friend to Terri Horman, said she will appear in court Thursday. She spoke to Terri Horman on the day Kyron disappeared from Skyline School, but at the time they


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on August 03, 2010, 05:16:12 PM

http://www.kptv.com/news/24499150/detail.html

 ::MonkeyJnBox::

PORTLAND, Ore. -- Another friend of Terri Horman has been subpoenaed to testify before a grand jury this week as the investigation into 7-year-old Kyron Horman's disappearance reached its 61st day.

The woman, who identified herself as a close friend to Terri Horman, said she will appear in court Thursday. She spoke to Terri Horman on the day Kyron disappeared from Skyline School, but at the time they
Thanks, I'm guessing this is Chelsea?


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Lucky7 on August 03, 2010, 05:20:08 PM
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/08/multnomah_county_shericomb_thr/4053/comments-newest-12.html        In the comment section page 12 there is a mention about a friend of Terri who received a subpoena to testify at the grand jury. Her name is Chelsea Aleshire. Never seen this name mentioned before.
Another poster from that site said..

EagleforFreedom August 03, 2010 at 1:25AM

Terri had an Android it has best GPS on board so LE knows everywhere Terri was on June 4th smart phone track is great technology


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: seahorse on August 03, 2010, 05:20:52 PM
EagleforFreedom August 03, 2010 at 1:25AM
Follow

Terri had an Android it has best GPS on board so LE knows everywhere Terri was on June 4th smart phone track is great technology

JUNE 2010 Facebook
9 new photos

Interesting and educational comments to me.  ::MonkeyEek::

June 4 at 2:21pm
 
Chester Pane August 03, 2010 at 1:33AM
Follow

My son has an Android...are you sure Terri had one? That is the best technology available.
So, now I ask, how do you know she had an Android? No one has said that unless I missed it....can you please offer a source?
Thanks...

 
EagleforFreedom August 03, 2010 at 2:01AM
Follow

Did you read the about 47 pages of text on Terri's Facebook she sent text there by her Android. We have one here in my family I have a blackberry storm but I use the Android like a laptop computer and it is fast to find restaurants near us when we are traveling with the GPS. now I want an Android or maybe a X drone


snip


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Tracygirl on August 03, 2010, 05:22:36 PM
This is disturbing, does anyone know where TH was on June 9th?
http://blogs.wweek.com/news/2010/08/03/kyron-horman-update-one-tipsters-startling-suspicions-and-frustration/#more-49682 (http://blogs.wweek.com/news/2010/08/03/kyron-horman-update-one-tipsters-startling-suspicions-and-frustration/#more-49682)

As far as I know, Terri was given an escort (AKA "Tail") from the second day of Kyron's disappearance. Everywhere she went, the tail went with her.

So, either this man saw someone else doing what he described, or his hot cider has come from the bad batch.

It doesn't hurt to check, but...

One would wonder, IF he heard a shot or shots coming from the area... why didn't he (or anyone else who heard the shot) call 911 IMMEDIATELY?

IF he witnessed a car accident, why didn't he (or anyone else who saw it) call 911 then?

IF his account is correct, he witnessed... a white truck and a cranberry sedan stop by the side of the road, three people (including a child) getting out, one of them getting a shovel, and then the three continued to walk towards the field. This in maybe three seconds that took for him to pass them. Or, did this guy stop to watch?

He then does an errand and on the way back, he finds the two vehicles speeding, and both vehicles hit each other, instead of a camper that was going too slow.  Did the two people driving the cars not see the guy, the one telling this story, and not worry if he would identify them in the future?

This guy has seen pictures of Terri and Dede on the local television news and maybe somewhere else. He knows what Terri and Dede looks like. IF he saw either of them, in the field, with the child, carrying the shovel... why wouldn't he say so?

I doubt his story.

...and to think this is just one of thousands of "tips" LE is dealing with.

Who is to say that it was Terri if this was Kyron? God knows there are more then one red haired woman around that area. I can name 3 and I don't even live there!
So did they check the area out? For all we know they were hunting or something, but what if it was Kyron?


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on August 03, 2010, 05:23:52 PM
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/08/multnomah_county_shericomb_thr/4053/comments-newest-12.html        In the comment section page 12 there is a mention about a friend of Terri who received a subpoena to testify at the grand jury. Her name is Chelsea Aleshire. Never seen this name mentioned before.
Another poster from that site said..

EagleforFreedom August 03, 2010 at 1:25AM

Terri had an Android it has best GPS on board so LE knows everywhere Terri was on June 4th smart phone track is great technology

Thank-you, I'm not sure what an Android is, and smart phone track. But sounds like LE was able to track all of her movement that day.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: seahorse on August 03, 2010, 05:25:21 PM

http://www.kptv.com/news/24499150/detail.html

 ::MonkeyJnBox::

PORTLAND, Ore. -- Another friend of Terri Horman has been subpoenaed to testify before a grand jury this week as the investigation into 7-year-old Kyron Horman's disappearance reached its 61st day.

The woman, who identified herself as a close friend to Terri Horman, said she will appear in court Thursday. She spoke to Terri Horman on the day Kyron disappeared from Skyline School, but at the time they
Thanks, I'm guessing this is Chelsea?

Norose ::HelloKitty::

Maybe, This case has so many twist and turns, whew...I read about the cells phones today, and this thing about the Aleshire,  ::MonkeyEek::.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: d in texas on August 03, 2010, 05:27:35 PM
Thanks Blonde.

This is another "scratch you head" moment.  Why did Kyron's family made the decision not to go public for almost two weeks following the disappearance?

Was it all about damage control regarding family dynamics?

Janet

+++++

I have always believed that I AM NOT BLAMING KH OR SAYING IT WAS HIS FAULT, but something inside the house dynamics he didn't want known, JMO it had nothing to do with DY or TY it was the Horman home.  When he quit doing prepared press releases the facts change a little bit, and it is important to note.JMO
>>http://www.truecrimeinthe21stcentury.com/2010/07/28/kaine-horman/ (http://www.truecrimeinthe21stcentury.com/2010/07/28/kaine-horman/)


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: seahorse on August 03, 2010, 05:27:49 PM
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/08/multnomah_county_shericomb_thr/4053/comments-newest-12.html        In the comment section page 12 there is a mention about a friend of Terri who received a subpoena to testify at the grand jury. Her name is Chelsea Aleshire. Never seen this name mentioned before.
Another poster from that site said..

EagleforFreedom August 03, 2010 at 1:25AM

Terri had an Android it has best GPS on board so LE knows everywhere Terri was on June 4th smart phone track is great technology

Thank-you, I'm not sure what an Android is, and smart phone track. But sounds like LE was able to track all of her movement that day.


Y.W. :smt060

Yes, LE is smarter than CSI-SM.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: MuffyBee on August 03, 2010, 05:28:06 PM
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/08/multnomah_county_shericomb_thr/4053/comments-newest-12.html        In the comment section page 12 there is a mention about a friend of Terri who received a subpoena to testify at the grand jury. Her name is Chelsea Aleshire. Never seen this name mentioned before.
Another poster from that site said..

EagleforFreedom August 03, 2010 at 1:25AM

Terri had an Android it has best GPS on board so LE knows everywhere Terri was on June 4th smart phone track is great technology

Thank-you, I'm not sure what an Android is, and smart phone track. But sounds like LE was able to track all of her movement that day.

An Android is a smart phone by Motorola. My son and I both have Androids. 


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Gypsy DD on August 03, 2010, 05:29:16 PM
My whole problem with that account is the date, June 9th.  No way would Terri have been driving around with Kyron on June 9th.  By June 9th LE was already suspicious of her, IMO.

Right Klaas.  And didn't the early reports say that LE was a constant in the house with them?

I know this is far fetched..but could Terri have sold Kyron..or even given Kyron to the human trafficking people?  If she was able to get up enough guts  to put a hit on her husband, to be sexting both the LS and Kaine's high school friend (whom by the way I believe is the person who supplied her with the new phone so their sexual conversations could continue)..WOULD SHE NOT BE CAPABLE OF COMING ACROSS PEOPLE IN A SEXUAL CONTEXT WHO WOULD BE WILLING TO TAKE KYRON OFF HER HANDS?

 I know most of us, including myself, think he is dead ..by or through Terri's activities and acquaintances.  But Portland has a huge problem in being involved with human trafficking.  It seems to be a political hot button in their area. 

If Terri is as oversexed as I think she may be..then is it possible because Kaine did not return her overtures everytime they were presented..she thought he was having an affair..when in reality he just may have been someone who was going to bed earlier then she because he was tired?  He seems to have handled most of Kyron's morning routine before school..my bet is he also handled James morning routine when he lived there.

I think Terri stayed up later, drank herself to sleep, and had many sexual fantasies.  Could it be that Kaine wasn't as amorous as he was in the beginning of their relationship (most men aren't once three kids to support becomes involved..and usually women aren't either, but Terri seems to enjoy flaunting her body and other things to men in phone sex and pics)

Just thinking ..could it be..sexually related to human trafficking ..since she seems to be a very sexual person herself?  Hate has no fury like a woman scorned(particularly in the bedroom )
Just a thought..a very dark thought..but just a thought.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Lucky7 on August 03, 2010, 05:30:39 PM

http://www.kptv.com/news/24499150/detail.html

 ::MonkeyJnBox::

PORTLAND, Ore. -- Another friend of Terri Horman has been subpoenaed to testify before a grand jury this week as the investigation into 7-year-old Kyron Horman's disappearance reached its 61st day.

The woman, who identified herself as a close friend to Terri Horman, said she will appear in court Thursday. She spoke to Terri Horman on the day Kyron disappeared from Skyline School, but at the time they
Thanks, I'm guessing this is Chelsea?
if thats true this girl is 22 for oregon (atleast the only person i found with that name has a kyron avatar on her facebook and her wall is not private)


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: MuffyBee on August 03, 2010, 05:31:51 PM
What is an Adroid?

http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-an-android-phone.htm


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: d in texas on August 03, 2010, 05:32:18 PM
Here’s the main portion of an email McCain sent:
This morning around 9:00 am I received a telephone call from Mark DeWitt, a 51-year old single farmer who lives in Riddle, Oregon. … When I took his call he expressed relief in “finally talking to a human” after leaving unanswered calls to the MCSO tip line. I told him I no longer worked at MCSO and I am not part of the investigation at all. He understood that but asked me to pass this info along to the authorities.

DeWitt told me he was driving on 99W near Junction City around noon on Wednesday, June 9–the same day Captain Mike Shults delivered his press statement without the families present. DeWitt said a white pick-up truck driven by a female with brown or reddish hair came up fast behind him. He noticed in his rear view mirror that a boy with short dark hair and glasses kept popping his head up in the front seat, only to have the driver push his head down. The pick-up passed DeWitt and turned on a gravel road near an old mill site in or near the town of Monroe, Oregon. DeWitt said the pickup turned onto a side road where it stopped to meet a “cranberry” color sedan from which a heavy set red head female and a male wearing a baseball cap emerged. DeWitt said the pickup driver got out and took the boy into a heavily wooded area where they were followed by the other two–with the male carrying a shovel he removed from the sedan trunk.  DeWitt continued into town where he stopped at a gas station to ask for directions to his destination, which I think was a grain elevator for seed. While out of his vehicle, DeWitt said he heard what sounded like a single gun shot coming from the general vicinity of where he saw the three adults and boy. DeWitt then said he later pulled into a rest area on 99W to use the rest room. As he was heading back onto the road, he was behind a slow moving motor home that was pulling onto the highway.  DeWitt said he then saw the pickup again speeding with the sedan behind it about to collide with the motor home. He said the truck slammed on its brakes and barely stopped short of colliding with the motor home, but the sedan skidded and collided with the rear of the white pickup. DeWitt said it was not a major crash, but the sedan might have some slight front end damage and the pickup might show signs of a “paint swap” in the rear.
DeWitt said he does not watch much television and did not put all of these pieces together until he started following the Kyron story on the news. He said he has called the tip line three times, but with no answer. He also said he reported the incident to a “Eugene Deputy” (not sure if Eugene PD or Lane County Sheriff) shortly thereafter, but before he realized the possible significance of what he saw. I asked him what he wanted me to do with this information and he just wants a “real person” to go check the area – which he says he has since revisited. I told him that’s not a good idea since it might be a crime scene.

I had to leave for another appointment but I called him back around 12:45 while on the road. I asked him if he knew I was an attorney and he said No, he only saw me described as a retired MCSO Captain. I wanted to verify he was not seeking legal advice or representation and we agreed there never was any lawyer-client relationship established. I told him I would pass his story on to someone I knew “high up” in the investigation. But I also told him that one reason why he might not have received a call back is that investigators knew where Terri and the pickup were around 12 noon on Wednesday, June 9.

http://blogs.wweek.com/news/2010/08/03/kyron-horman-update-one-tipsters-startling-suspicions-and-frustration/

and the post i made about the painting the car, with scoopy and jonser
seems weird
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8338.msg1197727#msg1197727



OMG why didn't LE go check this out I feel sick. Is this for real ::MonkeyShocked::
I give my mom daily updates (lol) but anyway was telling her about this get a lot of feedback from her, her first thought..
He didn't call anyone?
about seeing what was going on while still driving...we are from a farming family.
Have you seen the way a farmer drives? (VERY slow), How nosy are farmers? (very)
Food for thouht....


This does sound grim. But I was just noticing something (see bolded purple) that puzzles me. Isn't that an awful lot for DeWitt to notice WHILE HE WAS DRIVING??


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Blonde on August 03, 2010, 05:32:25 PM
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/08/multnomah_county_shericomb_thr/4053/comments-newest-12.html        In the comment section page 12 there is a mention about a friend of Terri who received a subpoena to testify at the grand jury. Her name is Chelsea Aleshire. Never seen this name mentioned before.
Terri Horman is friends on Facebook with a Chelsea Aleshire (I think she worked at the 24 hour fitness Terri and Kaine go to or knows or is friends with people that work there.) She posts a sympathetic message on Terri’s Facebook page shortly after Kyron goes missing. (It’s on the raw view of Terri’s page that I’ve seen floating around on different websites)

Chelsea Aleshire is engaged to a Roland Salas according to her Facbook page.

Roland Salas is friends with a “Casey 'Spangler' Miramontes” on Facebook that has a very private Facebook page. (With Kyron’s missing poster stuff on it)

Here is Casey’s page on Facebook

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1210297348


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on August 03, 2010, 05:35:24 PM

http://www.kptv.com/news/24499150/detail.html

 ::MonkeyJnBox::

PORTLAND, Ore. -- Another friend of Terri Horman has been subpoenaed to testify before a grand jury this week as the investigation into 7-year-old Kyron Horman's disappearance reached its 61st day.

The woman, who identified herself as a close friend to Terri Horman, said she will appear in court Thursday. She spoke to Terri Horman on the day Kyron disappeared from Skyline School, but at the time they
Thanks, I'm guessing this is Chelsea?

Norose ::HelloKitty::

Maybe, This case has so many twist and turns, whew...I read about the cells phones today, and this thing about the Aleshire,  ::MonkeyEek::.
It does  ::MonkeyNoNo::  Wonder what Chelsea all knows?


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on August 03, 2010, 05:37:21 PM
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/08/multnomah_county_shericomb_thr/4053/comments-newest-12.html        In the comment section page 12 there is a mention about a friend of Terri who received a subpoena to testify at the grand jury. Her name is Chelsea Aleshire. Never seen this name mentioned before.
Another poster from that site said..

EagleforFreedom August 03, 2010 at 1:25AM

Terri had an Android it has best GPS on board so LE knows everywhere Terri was on June 4th smart phone track is great technology

Thank-you, I'm not sure what an Android is, and smart phone track. But sounds like LE was able to track all of her movement that day.

An Android is a smart phone by Motorola. My son and I both have Androids. 
Thank-you, I'm afraid that I am just not a technology person.  Can't believe that I've never heard of a smart phone.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 03, 2010, 05:37:37 PM

http://www.kptv.com/news/24499150/detail.html

 ::MonkeyJnBox::

PORTLAND, Ore. -- Another friend of Terri Horman has been subpoenaed to testify before a grand jury this week as the investigation into 7-year-old Kyron Horman's disappearance reached its 61st day.

The woman, who identified herself as a close friend to Terri Horman, said she will appear in court Thursday. She spoke to Terri Horman on the day Kyron disappeared from Skyline School, but at the time they


The following comment was posted but suddenly went "poof".

Janet

++++

Stepmom's friends scrutinized as investigators comb through 3,500 tips in Kyron Horman case
By Lynne Terry, The Oregonian
August 02, 2010, 7:52PM


Comments

August 03, 2010 at 12:00AM

New Tip regarding Kyron Horman.....Chelsea Aleshire received subpoena to testify to Grand Jury this coming Thursday. Chelsea spoke to Terry Horman the day Kyron disappeared and is good friends with Terry. Several months ago, Chelsea found her roommate dead in the apartment they rented

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/08/multnomah_county_shericomb_thr/4053/comments-newest-12.html



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: d in texas on August 03, 2010, 05:39:30 PM
My whole problem with that account is the date, June 9th.  No way would Terri have been driving around with Kyron on June 9th.  By June 9th LE was already suspicious of her, IMO.

Thought "if" any truth to this could they NOT be telling us the actual date? 


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: seahorse on August 03, 2010, 05:39:54 PM
Monkeys I run accross this blog MarciaR did the research and not me. 


http://missingpersons.phpbb3now.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=69&start=4750&st=0&sk=t&sd=a

Hat Tip to MarciaR

Just some interesting research I’ve been doing.

Terri Horman is friends on Facebook with a Chelsea Aleshire (I think she worked at the 24 hour fitness Terri and Kaine go to or knows or is friends with people that work there.) She posts a sympathetic message on Terri’s Facebook page shortly after Kyron goes missing. (It’s on the raw view of Terri’s page that I’ve seen floating around on different websites)

Chelsea Aleshire is engaged to a Roland Salas according to her Facbook page.

Roland Salas is friends with a “Casey 'Spangler' Miramontes” on Facebook that has a very private Facebook page. (With Kyron’s missing poster stuff on it)

Here is Casey’s page on Facebook

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1210297348





Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Gypsy DD on August 03, 2010, 05:41:27 PM

http://www.kptv.com/news/24499150/detail.html

 ::MonkeyJnBox::

PORTLAND, Ore. -- Another friend of Terri Horman has been subpoenaed to testify before a grand jury this week as the investigation into 7-year-old Kyron Horman's disappearance reached its 61st day.

The woman, who identified herself as a close friend to Terri Horman, said she will appear in court Thursday. She spoke to Terri Horman on the day Kyron disappeared from Skyline School, but at the time they


The following comment was posted but suddenly went "poof".

Janet

++++

Stepmom's friends scrutinized as investigators comb through 3,500 tips in Kyron Horman case
By Lynne Terry, The Oregonian
August 02, 2010, 7:52PM


Comments

August 03, 2010 at 12:00AM

New Tip regarding Kyron Horman.....Chelsea Aleshire received subpoena to testify to Grand Jury this coming Thursday. Chelsea spoke to Terry Horman the day Kyron disappeared and is good friends with Terry. Several months ago, Chelsea found her roommate dead in the apartment they rented

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/08/multnomah_county_shericomb_thr/4053/comments-newest-12.html



Okay don't know what to make of that post.  And now it is gone.  Can anyone research Chelsea and her past address and see if that is true..a death reported at an apartment she shared?


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on August 03, 2010, 05:43:14 PM
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/08/multnomah_county_shericomb_thr/4053/comments-newest-12.html        In the comment section page 12 there is a mention about a friend of Terri who received a subpoena to testify at the grand jury. Her name is Chelsea Aleshire. Never seen this name mentioned before.
Terri Horman is friends on Facebook with a Chelsea Aleshire (I think she worked at the 24 hour fitness Terri and Kaine go to or knows or is friends with people that work there.) She posts a sympathetic message on Terri’s Facebook page shortly after Kyron goes missing. (It’s on the raw view of Terri’s page that I’ve seen floating around on different websites)

Chelsea Aleshire is engaged to a Roland Salas according to her Facbook page.

Roland Salas is friends with a “Casey 'Spangler' Miramontes” on Facebook that has a very private Facebook page. (With Kyron’s missing poster stuff on it)

Here is Casey’s page on Facebook

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1210297348
Thank-you.        From Gypsy DD's post
( I know most of us, including myself, think he is dead ..by or through Terri's activities and acquaintances.  But Portland has a huge problem in being involved with human trafficking.  It seems to be a political hot button in their area.)  ::MonkeyEek::  I did not know this, even though I do believe that Kyron is deceased, that is certainly something that could possibly have happened. Guessing if that is, Kyron could be out of the country and who knows where  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: seahorse on August 03, 2010, 05:43:20 PM

http://www.kptv.com/news/24499150/detail.html

 ::MonkeyJnBox::

PORTLAND, Ore. -- Another friend of Terri Horman has been subpoenaed to testify before a grand jury this week as the investigation into 7-year-old Kyron Horman's disappearance reached its 61st day.

The woman, who identified herself as a close friend to Terri Horman, said she will appear in court Thursday. She spoke to Terri Horman on the day Kyron disappeared from Skyline School, but at the time they
Thanks, I'm guessing this is Chelsea?

Norose ::HelloKitty::

Maybe, This case has so many twist and turns, whew...I read about the cells phones today, and this thing about the Aleshire,  ::MonkeyEek::.
It does  ::MonkeyNoNo::  Wonder what Chelsea all knows?

 ::MonkeyEek::
Don't know but we will find out soon.  Someone washed, cleaned and detailed the truck according to the Grapevine, but who? 


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Lucky7 on August 03, 2010, 05:46:15 PM
nother Jonesr post

Jonesr(OP)
User ID: 1056989
 United States
8/3/2010 5:17 PM

Exactly, you guys are getting it, I'm not playing games, iv been working all day, my suspicions are confirmed, I'm at peace now.
You who still hate and doubt will never be able to see out of that cloud.
When this is over, reread this thread book and it will all be so clear, I owe nothing to anyone, I've given you all the answer to the Dede role in this.
Now use your conjecture, I'm goin fish'n.
Peace to all. God bless Kyron Horman.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: seahorse on August 03, 2010, 05:48:05 PM
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/08/multnomah_county_shericomb_thr/4053/comments-newest-12.html        In the comment section page 12 there is a mention about a friend of Terri who received a subpoena to testify at the grand jury. Her name is Chelsea Aleshire. Never seen this name mentioned before.
Another poster from that site said..

EagleforFreedom August 03, 2010 at 1:25AM

Terri had an Android it has best GPS on board so LE knows everywhere Terri was on June 4th smart phone track is great technology

Thank-you, I'm not sure what an Android is, and smart phone track. But sounds like LE was able to track all of her movement that day.

An Android is a smart phone by Motorola. My son and I both have Androids. 
Thank-you, I'm afraid that I am just not a technology person.  Can't believe that I've never heard of a smart phone.

What can a Android do or not do, please?  Does this "smart phone" gizmo have a GPS installed in it?  Thank-you.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: seahorse on August 03, 2010, 05:51:23 PM
nother Jonesr post

Jonesr(OP)
User ID: 1056989
 United States
8/3/2010 5:17 PM

Exactly, you guys are getting it, I'm not playing games, iv been working all day, my suspicions are confirmed, I'm at peace now.
You who still hate and doubt will never be able to see out of that cloud.
When this is over, reread this thread book and it will all be so clear, I owe nothing to anyone, I've given you all the answer to the Dede role in this.
Now use your conjecture, I'm goin fish'n.
Peace to all. God bless Kyron Horman.

He is a Doozy.  :compress:


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Lucky7 on August 03, 2010, 05:51:25 PM
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/08/multnomah_county_shericomb_thr/4053/comments-newest-12.html        In the comment section page 12 there is a mention about a friend of Terri who received a subpoena to testify at the grand jury. Her name is Chelsea Aleshire. Never seen this name mentioned before.
Another poster from that site said..

EagleforFreedom August 03, 2010 at 1:25AM

Terri had an Android it has best GPS on board so LE knows everywhere Terri was on June 4th smart phone track is great technology

Thank-you, I'm not sure what an Android is, and smart phone track. But sounds like LE was able to track all of her movement that day.

An Android is a smart phone by Motorola. My son and I both have Androids. 
Thank-you, I'm afraid that I am just not a technology person.  Can't believe that I've never heard of a smart phone.

What can a Android do or not do, please?  Does this "smart phone" gizmo have a GPS installed in it?  Thank-you.
explaines here  http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-an-android-phone.htm


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Gypsy DD on August 03, 2010, 05:52:21 PM

http://www.kptv.com/news/24499150/detail.html

 ::MonkeyJnBox::

PORTLAND, Ore. -- Another friend of Terri Horman has been subpoenaed to testify before a grand jury this week as the investigation into 7-year-old Kyron Horman's disappearance reached its 61st day.

The woman, who identified herself as a close friend to Terri Horman, said she will appear in court Thursday. She spoke to Terri Horman on the day Kyron disappeared from Skyline School, but at the time they
Thanks, I'm guessing this is Chelsea?

Norose ::HelloKitty::

Maybe, This case has so many twist and turns, whew...I read about the cells phones today, and this thing about the Aleshire,  ::MonkeyEek::.
It does  ::MonkeyNoNo::  Wonder what Chelsea all knows?

 ::MonkeyEek::
Don't know but we will find out soon.  Someone washed, cleaned and detailed the truck according to the Grapevine, but who? 


I personally don't think there was time in the equation to wash and detail the truck.  If we look at the pics Blonde and Brandi have posted before of the truck as it is being loaded up by LE ..you can clearly see it wasn't washed..their is dirt on the truck..and that would be expected in their part of Oregon at that time of year. You would expect to have the family's DNA and fingerprints in the truck..so there would be no reason to wipe the truck clean.

Shoot out to Blonde or Brandi for the pic of the truck being loaded onto the flatbed.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Lucky7 on August 03, 2010, 05:52:26 PM
nother Jonesr post

Jonesr(OP)
User ID: 1056989
 United States
8/3/2010 5:17 PM

Exactly, you guys are getting it, I'm not playing games, iv been working all day, my suspicions are confirmed, I'm at peace now.
You who still hate and doubt will never be able to see out of that cloud.
When this is over, reread this thread book and it will all be so clear, I owe nothing to anyone, I've given you all the answer to the Dede role in this.
Now use your conjecture, I'm goin fish'n.
Peace to all. God bless Kyron Horman.

He is a Doozy.  :compress:
you think the media leaked something to him?


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: MuffyBee on August 03, 2010, 05:59:21 PM
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/08/multnomah_county_shericomb_thr/4053/comments-newest-12.html        In the comment section page 12 there is a mention about a friend of Terri who received a subpoena to testify at the grand jury. Her name is Chelsea Aleshire. Never seen this name mentioned before.
Another poster from that site said..

EagleforFreedom August 03, 2010 at 1:25AM

Terri had an Android it has best GPS on board so LE knows everywhere Terri was on June 4th smart phone track is great technology

Thank-you, I'm not sure what an Android is, and smart phone track. But sounds like LE was able to track all of her movement that day.

An Android is a smart phone by Motorola. My son and I both have Androids. 
Thank-you, I'm afraid that I am just not a technology person.  Can't believe that I've never heard of a smart phone.

What can a Android do or not do, please?  Does this "smart phone" gizmo have a GPS installed in it?  Thank-you.


Well..."Android" doesn't refer so much to the actual phone hardware as it does the Android operating system. At its base, the Android OS (operating system) is an open source platform. This means that the developer's tools for it are available freely, without licensing fees, unlike Apple (Iphone) OS, Blackberry RIM (Blackberries), Palm OS (palmpilots) or Winmobile (Windows Mobile Smartphones). This allows a much greater degree of freedom with regard to innovation and lack of censorship in applications; the downside to this is that there is a much greater likelihood of applications being written by amateurs. Most tech-savvy folks, however, tend to regard the open source movement as a great step forward for consumers, since an open and free market allows for much greater competition and innovation than a closed command style market such as the Apple App store.
What does this mean for you, the end user? On many android phones, it means that you no longer have to pay to get turn by turn directions for GPS like Verizon and AT&T once charged. Instead, Android integrates with google maps and google earth to provide these things for free. This is just one example of how open source OS such as the Android really shakes up the market. Instead of simply relying on gouging customers, telecom industries must now compete to provide better service and better hardware across better infrastructure.
The android OS itself does not have the GPS radio; that is a function of the phone hardware. However, every single android device I have laid eyes on has a GPS radio, as every phone should these days. And yes, law enforcement CAN track you using an android phone; however, this will require a warrant or a national security letter, which can be used to track you with ANY GPS equipped phone...or device, including your vehicle if it has such capability. Similarly, a national security letter or warrant allows LE to track you simply by inserting backdoor software into your computer or via bluetooth on an opened bluetooth phone/device, so if there are any worries about police tracking anyone via android phones I sincerely hope that those involved are not posting on a laptop with a wireless connection, a phone with bluetooth or any other broadband connection.
TL;DR (too long, didn't read) version:
Android OS phones have GPS. It is generally free to use. Android OS is, in my opinion, a good deal for consumers.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: marycat on August 03, 2010, 05:59:35 PM

http://www.kptv.com/news/24499150/detail.html

 ::MonkeyJnBox::

PORTLAND, Ore. -- Another friend of Terri Horman has been subpoenaed to testify before a grand jury this week as the investigation into 7-year-old Kyron Horman's disappearance reached its 61st day.

The woman, who identified herself as a close friend to Terri Horman, said she will appear in court Thursday. She spoke to Terri Horman on the day Kyron disappeared from Skyline School, but at the time they
Thanks, I'm guessing this is Chelsea?
if thats true this girl is 22 for oregon (atleast the only person i found with that name has a kyron avatar on her facebook and her wall is not private)

And according to her wall she used to work at a gym, but was unemployed as of the beginning if July. She said she didn't want to go back to work at the gym because she was mistreated there. And both she and her boyfriend have Terri as an FB friend, but not Kaine. I have seen her boyfriend's last name connected with this case somewhere, but can't place it. The name Salas mean anything to anyone else here?

IMO


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Lucky7 on August 03, 2010, 06:00:45 PM
Chelsea Aleshire (facebook<Terris)
All I can think about is Kyron and your family....You're a dear friend and I pray for a safe return for the little man..Once again just let me know what I can do!!!

Sunday at 7:37pm · Comment · LikeUnlike · See Wall-to-Wall

post from chelsea whom worked at the gym (i hear) 22 yrs old. will testify for GJ on a call she made or received from terri JUN 4. no time of call or any info will be released at this time.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: mchenry on August 03, 2010, 06:02:35 PM
Thanks Blonde.

This is another "scratch you head" moment.  Why did Kyron's family made the decision not to go public for almost two weeks following the disappearance?

Was it all about damage control regarding family dynamics?

Janet

+++++

I have always believed that I AM NOT BLAMING KH OR SAYING IT WAS HIS FAULT, but something inside the house dynamics he didn't want known, JMO it had nothing to do with DY or TY it was the Horman home.  When he quit doing prepared press releases the facts change a little bit, and it is important to note.JMO
>>http://www.truecrimeinthe21stcentury.com/2010/07/28/kaine-horman/ (http://www.truecrimeinthe21stcentury.com/2010/07/28/kaine-horman/)
According to Kyron's threads 1 and 2. He went missing 6-4-10 and the parents first spoke out 6-11-10. Which is 7 days. Wanted to see them on day 1 or 2.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Gypsy DD on August 03, 2010, 06:06:48 PM
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/08/multnomah_county_shericomb_thr/4053/comments-newest-12.html        In the comment section page 12 there is a mention about a friend of Terri who received a subpoena to testify at the grand jury. Her name is Chelsea Aleshire. Never seen this name mentioned before.
Another poster from that site said..

EagleforFreedom August 03, 2010 at 1:25AM

Terri had an Android it has best GPS on board so LE knows everywhere Terri was on June 4th smart phone track is great technology

Thank-you, I'm not sure what an Android is, and smart phone track. But sounds like LE was able to track all of her movement that day.

An Android is a smart phone by Motorola. My son and I both have Androids. 
Thank-you, I'm afraid that I am just not a technology person.  Can't believe that I've never heard of a smart phone.

What can a Android do or not do, please?  Does this "smart phone" gizmo have a GPS installed in it?  Thank-you.


Well..."Android" doesn't refer so much to the actual phone hardware as it does the Android operating system. At its base, the Android OS (operating system) is an open source platform. This means that the developer's tools for it are available freely, without licensing fees, unlike Apple (Iphone) OS, Blackberry RIM (Blackberries), Palm OS (palmpilots) or Winmobile (Windows Mobile Smartphones). This allows a much greater degree of freedom with regard to innovation and lack of censorship in applications; the downside to this is that there is a much greater likelihood of applications being written by amateurs. Most tech-savvy folks, however, tend to regard the open source movement as a great step forward for consumers, since an open and free market allows for much greater competition and innovation than a closed command style market such as the Apple App store.
What does this mean for you, the end user? On many android phones, it means that you no longer have to pay to get turn by turn directions for GPS like Verizon and AT&T once charged. Instead, Android integrates with google maps and google earth to provide these things for free. This is just one example of how open source OS such as the Android really shakes up the market. Instead of simply relying on gouging customers, telecom industries must now compete to provide better service and better hardware across better infrastructure.
The android OS itself does not have the GPS radio; that is a function of the phone hardware. However, every single android device I have laid eyes on has a GPS radio, as every phone should these days. And yes, law enforcement CAN track you using an android phone; however, this will require a warrant or a national security letter, which can be used to track you with ANY GPS equipped phone...or device, including your vehicle if it has such capability. Similarly, a national security letter or warrant allows LE to track you simply by inserting backdoor software into your computer or via bluetooth on an opened bluetooth phone/device, so if there are any worries about police tracking anyone via android phones I sincerely hope that those involved are not posting on a laptop with a wireless connection, a phone with bluetooth or any other broadband connection.
TL;DR (too long, didn't read) version:
Android OS phones have GPS. It is generally free to use. Android OS is, in my opinion, a good deal for consumers.

Brandi..I agree with all you said.  I have a nephew who is a super genius with all the techno issues out there.  He is so smart and savy tat he has a job with the goverment that other then saying that..we can't speak of...but all the neices and nephews , my son and all finances of this group..the Droid as they call it was the number one thing on their Christmas list.  Oh for the days when they just wanted Legos and Barbies.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: grumpychick on August 03, 2010, 06:07:20 PM
Chelsea Aleshire (facebook<Terris)
All I can think about is Kyron and your family....You're a dear friend and I pray for a safe return for the little man..Once again just let me know what I can do!!!

Sunday at 7:37pm · Comment · LikeUnlike · See Wall-to-Wall

post from chelsea whom worked at the gym (i hear) 22 yrs old. will testify for GJ on a call she made or received from terri JUN 4. no time of call or any info will be released at this time.


Is this her?
http://www.myspace.com/sh_mell


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: seahorse on August 03, 2010, 06:08:19 PM
Thank-you, MuffyBee  ::bee::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Lucky7 on August 03, 2010, 06:08:38 PM
http://www.myspace.com/sh_mell/photos
chelsea aleshire has an online photo album Myspace shes a party girl. some yuk pics!


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Lucky7 on August 03, 2010, 06:09:58 PM
Chelsea Aleshire (facebook<Terris)
All I can think about is Kyron and your family....You're a dear friend and I pray for a safe return for the little man..Once again just let me know what I can do!!!

Sunday at 7:37pm · Comment · LikeUnlike · See Wall-to-Wall

post from chelsea whom worked at the gym (i hear) 22 yrs old. will testify for GJ on a call she made or received from terri JUN 4. no time of call or any info will be released at this time.


Is this her?
http://www.myspace.com/sh_mell
yes her pics show alot of sexual gestures. 


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 03, 2010, 06:13:09 PM
WHY WAS THE TRUCK TOWED?

Terri Horman posted comments on KATU.com
Story Published: Jun 30, 2010 at 7:53 PM PDT
Story Updated: Jul 1, 2010 at 3:52 PM PDT


She also responded to less significant matters like to people wondering why the couple’s Ford truck was towed from the Horman’s property.

Terri writes it was a mechanical issue. “If I may clear your mind … the truck was towed due to starter and is back at the property.”

http://www.katu.com/news/local/97541389.html



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Blonde on August 03, 2010, 06:14:00 PM

http://www.kptv.com/news/24499150/detail.html

 ::MonkeyJnBox::

PORTLAND, Ore. -- Another friend of Terri Horman has been subpoenaed to testify before a grand jury this week as the investigation into 7-year-old Kyron Horman's disappearance reached its 61st day.

The woman, who identified herself as a close friend to Terri Horman, said she will appear in court Thursday. She spoke to Terri Horman on the day Kyron disappeared from Skyline School, but at the time they
Thanks, I'm guessing this is Chelsea?

Norose ::HelloKitty::

Maybe, This case has so many twist and turns, whew...I read about the cells phones today, and this thing about the Aleshire,  ::MonkeyEek::.
It does  ::MonkeyNoNo::  Wonder what Chelsea all knows?

 ::MonkeyEek::
Don't know but we will find out soon.  Someone washed, cleaned and detailed the truck according to the Grapevine, but who? 
(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Kyron%20Horman%20%20-OR-/tow.jpg)6/15/10


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on August 03, 2010, 06:14:15 PM
nother Jonesr post

Jonesr(OP)
User ID: 1056989
 United States
8/3/2010 5:17 PM

Exactly, you guys are getting it, I'm not playing games, iv been working all day, my suspicions are confirmed, I'm at peace now.
You who still hate and doubt will never be able to see out of that cloud.
When this is over, reread this thread book and it will all be so clear, I owe nothing to anyone, I've given you all the answer to the Dede role in this.
Now use your conjecture, I'm goin fish'n.
Peace to all. God bless Kyron Horman.
If he owes nothing to anyone, why did he even bother to post all that he posted? His suspicions are confirmed, and he is at peace, wonder what all that means?


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: MuffyBee on August 03, 2010, 06:14:50 PM
Thank-you, MuffyBee  ::bee::


yw, seahorse


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Gypsy DD on August 03, 2010, 06:16:28 PM
Chelsea Aleshire (facebook<Terris)
All I can think about is Kyron and your family....You're a dear friend and I pray for a safe return for the little man..Once again just let me know what I can do!!!

Sunday at 7:37pm · Comment · LikeUnlike · See Wall-to-Wall

post from chelsea whom worked at the gym (i hear) 22 yrs old. will testify for GJ on a call she made or received from terri JUN 4. no time of call or any info will be released at this time.


Is this her?
http://www.myspace.com/sh_mell
yes her pics show alot of sexual gestures. 

Thanks..that says it all..an imature girl having a baby way too young..and with few inhibitions of her own.  No wonder she found Terri to be a hip 40 year old.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Blonde on August 03, 2010, 06:18:30 PM
WHY WAS THE TRUCK TOWED?

Terri Horman posted comments on KATU.com
Story Published: Jun 30, 2010 at 7:53 PM PDT
Story Updated: Jul 1, 2010 at 3:52 PM PDT


She also responded to less significant matters like to people wondering why the couple’s Ford truck was towed from the Horman’s property.

Terri writes it was a mechanical issue. “If I may clear your mind … the truck was towed due to starter and is back at the property.”

http://www.katu.com/news/local/97541389.html



(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Kyron%20Horman%20%20-OR-/tow.jpg) picture is marked 6/15/10


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on August 03, 2010, 06:19:29 PM
Chelsea Aleshire (facebook<Terris)
All I can think about is Kyron and your family....You're a dear friend and I pray for a safe return for the little man..Once again just let me know what I can do!!!

Sunday at 7:37pm · Comment · LikeUnlike · See Wall-to-Wall

post from chelsea whom worked at the gym (i hear) 22 yrs old. will testify for GJ on a call she made or received from terri JUN 4. no time of call or any info will be released at this time.


Is this her?
http://www.myspace.com/sh_mell
Thank-you, I'm guessing it is. She isn't a bad looking girl. She is certainly a lot younger then Terri, wonder what kind of friendship, if it was mostly talk about their babies?    Thank-you Muffy for the phone information.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Lucky7 on August 03, 2010, 06:21:02 PM
nother Jonesr post

Jonesr(OP)
User ID: 1056989
 United States
8/3/2010 5:17 PM

Exactly, you guys are getting it, I'm not playing games, iv been working all day, my suspicions are confirmed, I'm at peace now.
You who still hate and doubt will never be able to see out of that cloud.
When this is over, reread this thread book and it will all be so clear, I owe nothing to anyone, I've given you all the answer to the Dede role in this.
Now use your conjecture, I'm goin fish'n.
Peace to all. God bless Kyron Horman.
If he owes nothing to anyone, why did he even bother to post all that he posted? His suspicions are confirmed, and he is at peace, wonder what all that means?
well he tlaked in riddles and i guess expects Everyone to speak his language. wants you to figure out the Way He sees it. IMO he thinks DEDE was a sucker and helped terri after the fact. so if thats true why did he say he solved this puzzle and give the street name of dedes aunts house, he said thats where Kyron is. hmm


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Blonde on August 03, 2010, 06:21:09 PM
Subpoena Issued To Another Friend Of Terri Horman

POSTED: 12:37 pm PDT August 3, 2010

UPDATED: 1:56 pm PDT August 3, 2010

PORTLAND, Ore. -- Another friend of Terri Horman has been subpoenaed to testify before a grand jury this week as the investigation into 7-year-old Kyron Horman's disappearance reached its 61st day.

The woman, who identified herself as a close friend to Terri Horman, said she will appear in court Thursday. She spoke to Terri Horman on the day Kyron disappeared from Skyline School, but at the time they spoke, the friend was not aware that Kyron was missing, she said.

She is at least the second of Terri Horman's friends to have been subpoenaed. Eight days ago, DeDe Spicher appeared before the grand jury. Sources have said Spicher did not answer any questions. Kyron's birth parents, Kaine Horman and Desiree Young, have suggested she's not cooperating with the investigators.

http://www.kptv.com/news/24499150/detail.ht


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: mchenry on August 03, 2010, 06:21:20 PM
nother Jonesr post

Jonesr(OP)
User ID: 1056989
 United States
8/3/2010 5:17 PM

Exactly, you guys are getting it, I'm not playing games, iv been working all day, my suspicions are confirmed, I'm at peace now.
You who still hate and doubt will never be able to see out of that cloud.
When this is over, reread this thread book and it will all be so clear, I owe nothing to anyone, I've given you all the answer to the Dede role in this.
Now use your conjecture, I'm goin fish'n.
Peace to all. God bless Kyron Horman.
I have read and re-read this mans posts and they don't make a lick of sense!


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Gypsy DD on August 03, 2010, 06:21:39 PM
nother Jonesr post

Jonesr(OP)
User ID: 1056989
 United States
8/3/2010 5:17 PM

Exactly, you guys are getting it, I'm not playing games, iv been working all day, my suspicions are confirmed, I'm at peace now.
You who still hate and doubt will never be able to see out of that cloud.
When this is over, reread this thread book and it will all be so clear, I owe nothing to anyone, I've given you all the answer to the Dede role in this.
Now use your conjecture, I'm goin fish'n.
Peace to all. God bless Kyron Horman.
If he owes nothing to anyone, why did he even bother to post all that he posted? His suspicions are confirmed, and he is at peace, wonder what all that means?

NRCG..Who the heck knows what he means anylonger.  At first he was understandable with what he posted.  Then he veered off the track into this game or puzzle phase.  At first I think he thought DD had something to do with this..if not directly, then indirectly.  But he seemed to feel se would fess up once her Daddy was involved.  So does this mean that between Daddy and the lawyer she is now telling the truth?   Because the first few posts of his is all I can make sense of myself.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: seahorse on August 03, 2010, 06:24:41 PM
nother Jonesr post

Jonesr(OP)
User ID: 1056989
 United States
8/3/2010 5:17 PM

Exactly, you guys are getting it, I'm not playing games, iv been working all day, my suspicions are confirmed, I'm at peace now.
You who still hate and doubt will never be able to see out of that cloud.
When this is over, reread this thread book and it will all be so clear, I owe nothing to anyone, I've given you all the answer to the Dede role in this.
Now use your conjecture, I'm goin fish'n.
Peace to all. God bless Kyron Horman.
I have read and re-read this mans posts and they don't make a lick of sense!

Mchenry,

Cuz Jones needs a nap.  ::MonkeyHaHa:: He must not sleep and just fishes.  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Gypsy DD on August 03, 2010, 06:26:51 PM

http://www.kptv.com/news/24499150/detail.html

 ::MonkeyJnBox::

PORTLAND, Ore. -- Another friend of Terri Horman has been subpoenaed to testify before a grand jury this week as the investigation into 7-year-old Kyron Horman's disappearance reached its 61st day.

The woman, who identified herself as a close friend to Terri Horman, said she will appear in court Thursday. She spoke to Terri Horman on the day Kyron disappeared from Skyline School, but at the time they
Thanks, I'm guessing this is Chelsea?

Norose ::HelloKitty::

Maybe, This case has so many twist and turns, whew...I read about the cells phones today, and this thing about the Aleshire,  ::MonkeyEek::.
It does  ::MonkeyNoNo::  Wonder what Chelsea all knows?

 ::MonkeyEek::
Don't know but we will find out soon.  Someone washed, cleaned and detailed the truck according to the Grapevine, but who? 
(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Kyron%20Horman%20%20-OR-/tow.jpg)6/15/10

TY Blonde..that's a dirty looking sidewall to that truck if it had just been detailed, washed, etc. 


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: seahorse on August 03, 2010, 06:28:34 PM
I hope this is OK to post.  I found Rolando Salas Rodriguez, 40 Kennewick, WA. also listed Portland, Oregon

Associated name: Rolando R Salas  ::MonkeyEek::

Peoplefinders and Intelius haven't always been accurate in information. 
  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: seahorse on August 03, 2010, 06:30:48 PM

http://www.kptv.com/news/24499150/detail.html

 ::MonkeyJnBox::

PORTLAND, Ore. -- Another friend of Terri Horman has been subpoenaed to testify before a grand jury this week as the investigation into 7-year-old Kyron Horman's disappearance reached its 61st day.

The woman, who identified herself as a close friend to Terri Horman, said she will appear in court Thursday. She spoke to Terri Horman on the day Kyron disappeared from Skyline School, but at the time they
Thanks, I'm guessing this is Chelsea?

Norose ::HelloKitty::

Maybe, This case has so many twist and turns, whew...I read about the cells phones today, and this thing about the Aleshire,  ::MonkeyEek::.
It does  ::MonkeyNoNo::  Wonder what Chelsea all knows?

 ::MonkeyEek::
Don't know but we will find out soon.  Someone washed, cleaned and detailed the truck according to the Grapevine, but who? 
(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Kyron%20Horman%20%20-OR-/tow.jpg)6/15/10

TY Blonde..that's a dirty looking sidewall to that truck if it had just been detailed, washed, etc. 

 It was towed twice. Was the photo taken the first or second time the truck was towed?


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Wyks on August 03, 2010, 06:35:12 PM
http://www.kgw.com/news/kyron-horman/2-months-later-where-is-Kyron-Horman-99784814.html

Kyron Horman's dad appears before grand jury

(snipped)

Snipped from the article linked above and BBM...

Suspicion rests on the boy's stepmother, who is mute about what happened the morning the child disappeared, while lurid tales of infidelity and even a murder-for-hire plot swirl. Kaine also told KGW Monday that he was no longer wearing his wedding ring.

Given his explanations to the press as to why he'd been keeping it on all this time, is this part of a strategy? New info uncovered? Change of mind? What say you, Monkeys?

<snipped more to keep quote and link>

Dunno mediamama.  Sounds to me more like the next episode in their soap opera, than it does anything having to do with a grieving father trying to find his missing son.  The focus he supposedly has. 

 


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: mchenry on August 03, 2010, 06:37:24 PM
My whole problem with that account is the date, June 9th.  No way would Terri have been driving around with Kyron on June 9th.  By June 9th LE was already suspicious of her, IMO.

Right Klaas.  And didn't the early reports say that LE was a constant in the house with them?

I know this is far fetched..but could Terri have sold Kyron..or even given Kyron to the human trafficking people?  If she was able to get up enough guts  to put a hit on her husband, to be sexting both the LS and Kaine's high school friend (whom by the way I believe is the person who supplied her with the new phone so their sexual conversations could continue)..WOULD SHE NOT BE CAPABLE OF COMING ACROSS PEOPLE IN A SEXUAL CONTEXT WHO WOULD BE WILLING TO TAKE KYRON OFF HER HANDS?

 I know most of us, including myself, think he is dead ..by or through Terri's activities and acquaintances.  But Portland has a huge problem in being involved with human trafficking.  It seems to be a political hot button in their area. 

If Terri is as oversexed as I think she may be..then is it possible because Kaine did not return her overtures everytime they were presented..she thought he was having an affair..when in reality he just may have been someone who was going to bed earlier then she because he was tired?  He seems to have handled most of Kyron's morning routine before school..my bet is he also handled James morning routine when he lived there.

I think Terri stayed up later, drank herself to sleep, and had many sexual fantasies.  Could it be that Kaine wasn't as amorous as he was in the beginning of their relationship (most men aren't once three kids to support becomes involved..and usually women aren't either, but Terri seems to enjoy flaunting her body and other things to men in phone sex and pics)

Just thinking ..could it be..sexually related to human trafficking ..since she seems to be a very sexual person herself?  Hate has no fury like a woman scorned(particularly in the bedroom )
Just a thought..a very dark thought..but just a thought.
This is what most people think happened to Johnny Gosch on 9-5-82 in Des Moines IA. His mother is still devastated. I pray this didn't happen to Kyron!


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: d in texas on August 03, 2010, 06:37:42 PM
nother Jonesr post

Jonesr(OP)
User ID: 1056989
 United States
8/3/2010 5:17 PM

Exactly, you guys are getting it, I'm not playing games, iv been working all day, my suspicions are confirmed, I'm at peace now.
You who still hate and doubt will never be able to see out of that cloud.
When this is over, reread this thread book and it will all be so clear, I owe nothing to anyone, I've given you all the answer to the Dede role in this.
Now use your conjecture, I'm goin fish'n.
Peace to all. God bless Kyron Horman.

He is a Doozy.  :compress:
He is adding to my migrane!! 


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 03, 2010, 06:42:54 PM
My whole problem with that account is the date, June 9th.  No way would Terri have been driving around with Kyron on June 9th.  By June 9th LE was already suspicious of her, IMO.

I agree. 

Either the guy wants his 15 minutes of fames or ... what he witnessed did take place but ... in hindsight ... he read into the incident ... the incident which may have a reasonable explanation.

Janet


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Gypsy DD on August 03, 2010, 06:44:35 PM
nother Jonesr post

Jonesr(OP)
User ID: 1056989
 United States
8/3/2010 5:17 PM

Exactly, you guys are getting it, I'm not playing games, iv been working all day, my suspicions are confirmed, I'm at peace now.
You who still hate and doubt will never be able to see out of that cloud.
When this is over, reread this thread book and it will all be so clear, I owe nothing to anyone, I've given you all the answer to the Dede role in this.
Now use your conjecture, I'm goin fish'n.
Peace to all. God bless Kyron Horman.

He is a Doozy.  :compress:
He is adding to my migrane!! 

I think at tjis point he is saying nothing because he has got nothing to say.  I am sure the family has said WTH to him..really.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 03, 2010, 06:46:59 PM
http://www.kgw.com/news/kyron-horman/2-months-later-where-is-Kyron-Horman-99784814.html

Kyron Horman's dad appears before grand jury

(snipped)

Snipped from the article linked above and BBM...

Suspicion rests on the boy's stepmother, who is mute about what happened the morning the child disappeared, while lurid tales of infidelity and even a murder-for-hire plot swirl. Kaine also told KGW Monday that he was no longer wearing his wedding ring.

Given his explanations to the press as to why he'd been keeping it on all this time, is this part of a strategy? New info uncovered? Change of mind? What say you, Monkeys?

<snipped more to keep quote and link>

Dunno mediamama.  Sounds to me more like the next episode in their soap opera, than it does anything having to do with a grieving father trying to find his missing son.  The focus he supposedly has. 

 

Wyke ... do I detect a little skeptism.

Don't despair ... I suspect that stuff is about to happen ... stuff that implies answers have been forthcoming regarding the disappearance of this little boy.

 ::MonkeyAngel::

Janet



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: d in texas on August 03, 2010, 06:47:43 PM
My whole problem with that account is the date, June 9th.  No way would Terri have been driving around with Kyron on June 9th.  By June 9th LE was already suspicious of her, IMO.

Right Klaas.  And didn't the early reports say that LE was a constant in the house with them?

I know this is far fetched..but could Terri have sold Kyron..or even given Kyron to the human trafficking people?  If she was able to get up enough guts  to put a hit on her husband, to be sexting both the LS and Kaine's high school friend (whom by the way I believe is the person who supplied her with the new phone so their sexual conversations could continue)..WOULD SHE NOT BE CAPABLE OF COMING ACROSS PEOPLE IN A SEXUAL CONTEXT WHO WOULD BE WILLING TO TAKE KYRON OFF HER HANDS?

 I know most of us, including myself, think he is dead ..by or through Terri's activities and acquaintances.  But Portland has a huge problem in being involved with human trafficking.  It seems to be a political hot button in their area. 

If Terri is as oversexed as I think she may be..then is it possible because Kaine did not return her overtures everytime they were presented..she thought he was having an affair..when in reality he just may have been someone who was going to bed earlier then she because he was tired?  He seems to have handled most of Kyron's morning routine before school..my bet is he also handled James morning routine when he lived there.

I think Terri stayed up later, drank herself to sleep, and had many sexual fantasies.  Could it be that Kaine wasn't as amorous as he was in the beginning of their relationship (most men aren't once three kids to support becomes involved..and usually women aren't either, but Terri seems to enjoy flaunting her body and other things to men in phone sex and pics)

Just thinking ..could it be..sexually related to human trafficking ..since she seems to be a very sexual person herself?  Hate has no fury like a woman scorned(particularly in the bedroom )
Just a thought..a very dark thought..but just a thought.
This is what most people think happened to Johnny Gosch on 9-5-82 in Des Moines IA. His mother is still devastated. I pray this didn't happen to Kyron!

Anybody ready to revisit this with me yet?  Throw away phones, mysterious phone calls, homes searched?  Oh and I am not pushing my website to the new monkeys just where all my research is....
http://www.truecrimeinthe21stcentury.com/2010/08/02/terri-moulton-horman/ (http://www.truecrimeinthe21stcentury.com/2010/08/02/terri-moulton-horman/)


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Wyks on August 03, 2010, 06:50:54 PM
You know, if you go back to the original tv scene of Kaine, TH, where she is hugging Kaine and leaning on him.  Look at her face.  I don't have the link but Nancy Grace shows it everyday.  She keeps looking down.  Her body language is guilty, guilty, guilty.  She looks like the cat who got caught eating the canary. 

Also, if my child was whiny about going home to his father and stepmom; I wonder if DY ever asked the father about this and why Kyron may be so reluctant to go home?  This should have been a red flag.  If I were Kyron's relative, I think I would put up a big poster right close to wherever TH is so that she would have to look at him everytime she goes outside.  Oh, but that might be considered harrassment of the woman last seen with my missing child.  Shame on me!!! ::MonkeyMad::

I dunno, I kinda like the idea.   ::MonkeyTongue::


Did you follow the Stacy Peterson case?  hehe...

Stacy was the 4th wife of Drew Peterson, has gone missing.  Was friends with her next door neighbor.  The one who, with help of friends etc, erected a huge sign (let's call it near billboard size .. almost .. lol) in her front yard, angled at such a way that Drew would see it everytime he went outside.  Which said, "Where's Stacy??" and her pic.  And since he seemed to attempt to ignore it, they also put out two spotlights angled in such a way to highlight it, even at night. 

 ::MonkeyHaHa::   ::MonkeyDevil::



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: d in texas on August 03, 2010, 06:51:03 PM
http://www.kgw.com/news/kyron-horman/2-months-later-where-is-Kyron-Horman-99784814.html

Kyron Horman's dad appears before grand jury

(snipped)

Snipped from the article linked above and BBM...

Suspicion rests on the boy's stepmother, who is mute about what happened the morning the child disappeared, while lurid tales of infidelity and even a murder-for-hire plot swirl. Kaine also told KGW Monday that he was no longer wearing his wedding ring.

Given his explanations to the press as to why he'd been keeping it on all this time, is this part of a strategy? New info uncovered? Change of mind? What say you, Monkeys?

<snipped more to keep quote and link>

Dunno mediamama.  Sounds to me more like the next episode in their soap opera, than it does anything having to do with a grieving father trying to find his missing son.  The focus he supposedly has. 

 

Wyke ... do I detect a little skepticism.

Don't despair ... I suspect that stuff is about to happen ... stuff that implies answers have been forthcoming regarding the disappearance of this little boy.

 ::MonkeyAngel::

Janet


think the cards are fixing to be laid out in this whole nightmare, and the sad part is Kyron, the innocent bystander.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 03, 2010, 06:51:39 PM
nother Jonesr post

Jonesr(OP)
User ID: 1056989
 United States
8/3/2010 5:17 PM

Exactly, you guys are getting it, I'm not playing games, iv been working all day, my suspicions are confirmed, I'm at peace now.
You who still hate and doubt will never be able to see out of that cloud.
When this is over, reread this thread book and it will all be so clear, I owe nothing to anyone, I've given you all the answer to the Dede role in this.
Now use your conjecture, I'm goin fish'n.
Peace to all. God bless Kyron Horman.

He is a Doozy.  :compress:
He is adding to my migrane!! 

I think at tjis point he is saying nothing because he has got nothing to say.  I am sure the family has said WTH to him..really.

Shango ... the poster who apparently was revealing the truth in riddles  regarding the morning of May 30, 2005 when Natalee Holloway went missing ... made more sense that the cousin of DeDe and ... I consider Shango a huge distraction from the truth.  My philosophy is ... you got something to say ... spit it out.

Janet


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Gypsy DD on August 03, 2010, 06:52:01 PM
My whole problem with that account is the date, June 9th.  No way would Terri have been driving around with Kyron on June 9th.  By June 9th LE was already suspicious of her, IMO.

Right Klaas.  And didn't the early reports say that LE was a constant in the house with them?

I know this is far fetched..but could Terri have sold Kyron..or even given Kyron to the human trafficking people?  If she was able to get up enough guts  to put a hit on her husband, to be sexting both the LS and Kaine's high school friend (whom by the way I believe is the person who supplied her with the new phone so their sexual conversations could continue)..WOULD SHE NOT BE CAPABLE OF COMING ACROSS PEOPLE IN A SEXUAL CONTEXT WHO WOULD BE WILLING TO TAKE KYRON OFF HER HANDS?

 I know most of us, including myself, think he is dead ..by or through Terri's activities and acquaintances.  But Portland has a huge problem in being involved with human trafficking.  It seems to be a political hot button in their area. 

If Terri is as oversexed as I think she may be..then is it possible because Kaine did not return her overtures everytime they were presented..she thought he was having an affair..when in reality he just may have been someone who was going to bed earlier then she because he was tired?  He seems to have handled most of Kyron's morning routine before school..my bet is he also handled James morning routine when he lived there.

I think Terri stayed up later, drank herself to sleep, and had many sexual fantasies.  Could it be that Kaine wasn't as amorous as he was in the beginning of their relationship (most men aren't once three kids to support becomes involved..and usually women aren't either, but Terri seems to enjoy flaunting her body and other things to men in phone sex and pics)

Just thinking ..could it be..sexually related to human trafficking ..since she seems to be a very sexual person herself?  Hate has no fury like a woman scorned(particularly in the bedroom )
Just a thought..a very dark thought..but just a thought.
This is what most people think happened to Johnny Gosch on 9-5-82 in Des Moines IA. His mother is still devastated. I pray this didn't happen to Kyron!

For me ..this is the only what if in the case..because Portland has a problem with human traifficking.

What I believe is he is dead ..and she passed him off to that purpose ....but still ..what if she was so sexually driven she passed him to a group of people that are interested in young boys?
That is the only way I can justify that he may still be alive.  But..I also believe that if he were my child I would rather believe that he was alive in the worst circumstances..rather then dead.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: d in texas on August 03, 2010, 06:53:50 PM
nother Jonesr post

Jonesr(OP)
User ID: 1056989
 United States
8/3/2010 5:17 PM

Exactly, you guys are getting it, I'm not playing games, iv been working all day, my suspicions are confirmed, I'm at peace now.
You who still hate and doubt will never be able to see out of that cloud.
When this is over, reread this thread book and it will all be so clear, I owe nothing to anyone, I've given you all the answer to the Dede role in this.
Now use your conjecture, I'm goin fish'n.
Peace to all. God bless Kyron Horman.

He is a Doozy.  :compress:
He is adding to my migrane!! 

I think at tjis point he is saying nothing because he has got nothing to say.  I am sure the family has said WTH to him..really.

Shango ... the poster who apparently was revealing the truth in riddles  regarding the morning of May 30, 2005 when Natalee Holloway went missing ... made more sense that the cousin of DeDe and ... I consider Shango a huge distraction from the truth.  My philosophy is ... you got something to say ... spit it out.

Janet
::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyRoll::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 03, 2010, 06:54:02 PM
http://www.kgw.com/news/kyron-horman/2-months-later-where-is-Kyron-Horman-99784814.html

Kyron Horman's dad appears before grand jury

(snipped)

Snipped from the article linked above and BBM...

Suspicion rests on the boy's stepmother, who is mute about what happened the morning the child disappeared, while lurid tales of infidelity and even a murder-for-hire plot swirl. Kaine also told KGW Monday that he was no longer wearing his wedding ring.

Given his explanations to the press as to why he'd been keeping it on all this time, is this part of a strategy? New info uncovered? Change of mind? What say you, Monkeys?

<snipped more to keep quote and link>

Dunno mediamama.  Sounds to me more like the next episode in their soap opera, than it does anything having to do with a grieving father trying to find his missing son.  The focus he supposedly has. 

 

Wyke ... do I detect a little skepticism.

Don't despair ... I suspect that stuff is about to happen ... stuff that implies answers have been forthcoming regarding the disappearance of this little boy.

 ::MonkeyAngel::

Janet


think the cards are fixing to be laid out in this whole nightmare, and the sad part is Kyron, the innocent bystander.

Kyron is the reason that justice must prevail.

Janet


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Blonde on August 03, 2010, 06:54:22 PM
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/towedawayhertruck.jpg)

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/7.jpg)


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: seahorse on August 03, 2010, 06:54:30 PM
http://radaris.com/p/Roland/Salas/OR/

More possible Roland Salas, Chelsea Dawn Aleshire's Amigo.  :smt028

The RS 21 years may be the one? :smt120 :smt120


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Wyks on August 03, 2010, 06:58:40 PM
Here’s the main portion of an email McCain sent:

<snipped for bold content>

He said the truck slammed on its brakes and barely stopped short of colliding with the motor home, but the sedan skidded and collided with the rear of the white pickup. DeWitt said it was not a major crash, but the sedan might have some slight front end damage and the pickup might show signs of a “paint swap” in the rear.

http://blogs.wweek.com/news/2010/08/03/kyron-horman-update-one-tipsters-startling-suspicions-and-frustration/

and the post i made about the painting the car, with scoopy and jonser
seems weird
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8338.msg1197727#msg1197727

thank you for posting this!it is significant I believe. not just coincidence that jonesr said it to scooby IMO

 ::MonkeyEek::   ::MonkeyShocked:: 


And the light just went on.   :smt103

Hmmmmm...... MUCH food for thought!  See if I let him date my avatar in there again.  pffffft.  But seriously.... Could it be??  I mean, my gosh, it could be!!



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 03, 2010, 07:03:08 PM
Here’s the main portion of an email McCain sent:

<snipped for bold content>

He said the truck slammed on its brakes and barely stopped short of colliding with the motor home, but the sedan skidded and collided with the rear of the white pickup. DeWitt said it was not a major crash, but the sedan might have some slight front end damage and the pickup might show signs of a “paint swap” in the rear.

http://blogs.wweek.com/news/2010/08/03/kyron-horman-update-one-tipsters-startling-suspicions-and-frustration/

and the post i made about the painting the car, with scoopy and jonser
seems weird
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8338.msg1197727#msg1197727

thank you for posting this!it is significant I believe. not just coincidence that jonesr said it to scooby IMO

 ::MonkeyEek::   ::MonkeyShocked:: 


And the light just went on.   :smt103

Hmmmmm...... MUCH food for thought!  See if I let him date my avatar in there again.  pffffft.  But seriously.... Could it be??  I mean, my gosh, it could be!!



When the date of this alleged incident is considered ... LE has a lot of " 'splaining to do Lucy" if true.

Janet


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: seahorse on August 03, 2010, 07:05:00 PM
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/towedawayhertruck.jpg)

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/7.jpg)

 :smt039 Blonde,

Thank-you for the confirmation that the truck was towed twice.  The truck may have been detailed and still dirty.

I understand "detailing" is washing all the muck out from under the vehicle, as not to leave any trace of dirt where it was.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Gypsy DD on August 03, 2010, 07:07:56 PM
You know, if you go back to the original tv scene of Kaine, TH, where she is hugging Kaine and leaning on him.  Look at her face.  I don't have the link but Nancy Grace shows it everyday.  She keeps looking down.  Her body language is guilty, guilty, guilty.  She looks like the cat who got caught eating the canary. 

Also, if my child was whiny about going home to his father and stepmom; I wonder if DY ever asked the father about this and why Kyron may be so reluctant to go home?  This should have been a red flag.  If I were Kyron's relative, I think I would put up a big poster right close to wherever TH is so that she would have to look at him everytime she goes outside.  Oh, but that might be considered harrassment of the woman last seen with my missing child.  Shame on me!!! ::MonkeyMad::

I dunno, I kinda like the idea.   ::MonkeyTongue::


Did you follow the Stacy Peterson case?  hehe...

Stacy was the 4th wife of Drew Peterson, has gone missing.  Was friends with her next door neighbor.  The one who, with help of friends etc, erected a huge sign (let's call it near billboard size .. almost .. lol) in her front yard, angled at such a way that Drew would see it everytime he went outside.  Which said, "Where's Stacy??" and her pic.  And since he seemed to attempt to ignore it, they also put out two spotlights angled in such a way to highlight it, even at night. 

 ::MonkeyHaHa::   ::MonkeyDevil::



But WYKS..That never made any impact on Drew. Drew is the same as Scott P eterson..once the deed is done..more forward..no looking back.  It only served the public to know where Sharons heart was..and what she believed.   And Drew is in jail on charges dealing with the death of his 3rd wife , but we all still ask..where is poor Stacy?

I think Terri may have the same mind set..once the deed is done..it is on to the next person.aka Mr Cole.  Who I fully believe bought her the phone so they could have what they thought would be private sexting, etc.  Do I think he is involved in Kyron's disappearance..no.

I think he looked a gift horse in the mouth..and being slightly unstable himself, thought if this woman needs and wants sex..as well as posting grapic pics to him..he was ready to oblige.

I do not think that Terri posted sexually explicit pics to Cole or the LS without following through with the sex.  She is a horn dog ..plain and simple...and also a very disturbed person who thinks her wishes come before anyone else's.  And when someone else disagrees..she is a woman out for revenge.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: d in texas on August 03, 2010, 07:18:41 PM
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/08/hearing_set_on_kaine_hormans_m.html (http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/08/hearing_set_on_kaine_hormans_m.html)

Hearing set on Kaine Horman's motion seeking source of Terri Moulton Horman's money


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Wyks on August 03, 2010, 07:21:13 PM
...and to think this is just one of thousands of "tips" LE is dealing with.

I think it is people desperately wanting to "help" or do something for either bringing Kyron home, or getting the reward money, that they begin to "see" more into things.

I can imagine that out of the 3,500 "tips" only four or five are REALLY related to Kyron Horman's case. LE (God bless them!) are checking each and every one of those tips, so they deserve some credit.

Now, if only those who have clues to what REALLY happened were to speak out...

Yanno.. I've read somewhere that part of those 3500 'tips' were from some locals pizzzzed that the early often-made broadcasts were pre-empting their soap operas.  Dunno how true that is, but if so.. geeeeez.. who would DO that?



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Gypsy DD on August 03, 2010, 07:22:28 PM
http://www.kgw.com/news/kyron-horman/2-months-later-where-is-Kyron-Horman-99784814.html

Kyron Horman's dad appears before grand jury

(snipped)

Snipped from the article linked above and BBM...

Suspicion rests on the boy's stepmother, who is mute about what happened the morning the child disappeared, while lurid tales of infidelity and even a murder-for-hire plot swirl. Kaine also told KGW Monday that he was no longer wearing his wedding ring.

Given his explanations to the press as to why he'd been keeping it on all this time, is this part of a strategy? New info uncovered? Change of mind? What say you, Monkeys?

<snipped more to keep quote and link>

Dunno mediamama.  Sounds to me more like the next episode in their soap opera, than it does anything having to do with a grieving father trying to find his missing son.  The focus he supposedly has. 

 

Judging by how hard this 8 week anniversary was for both Desiree and Kaine..each looked as upset as they did in the original pressers..then they gained some hope and they looked better..but the recent 8 week mark pressers show them as totally devastated..and who wouldn't be?  This has been a roller coaster ride for them and Tony...ups and downs.

I think Kaine finally came to the realization that not only is Terri involved..but he may never know what happened to his son.  I also think Desiree is hanging on by a thread..that she knows what is coming but doesn't want to admit that..because she doesn't want to give up hope.  Hope is all they have at this point.

I think Kaine removed the ring because he is removing the idea of Terri as ever being apart of the family he tried to create for the boys, Kyron and James, and for little Kitty.  That's just my take..he finally realizes there is no family anylonger then he and his children.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Wyks on August 03, 2010, 07:24:39 PM
My whole problem with that account is the date, June 9th.  No way would Terri have been driving around with Kyron on June 9th.  By June 9th LE was already suspicious of her, IMO.

I should be reading and not posting til caught up.. but.. my memory ain't what it used to be.  What you say is true, Klaas.  Just gotta wonder what the red-haired DeDe was doing that day?  Or the red-haired Becky?  Or the red-haired whomever other female they know? 



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Wyks on August 03, 2010, 07:28:26 PM
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/08/multnomah_county_shericomb_thr/4053/comments-newest-12.html        In the comment section page 12 there is a mention about a friend of Terri who received a subpoena to testify at the grand jury. Her name is Chelsea Aleshire. Never seen this name mentioned before.
Another poster from that site said..

EagleforFreedom August 03, 2010 at 1:25AM

Terri had an Android it has best GPS on board so LE knows everywhere Terri was on June 4th smart phone track is great technology

Thank-you, I'm not sure what an Android is, and smart phone track. But sounds like LE was able to track all of her movement that day.

An Android is a smart phone by Motorola. My son and I both have Androids. 

Thanks for explaining that Muffy!  I dunno why I was thinking of a lil robot that runs around.   ::dogwag::



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 03, 2010, 07:30:19 PM
WHY WAS THE TRUCK TOWED?

Terri Horman posted comments on KATU.com
Story Published: Jun 30, 2010 at 7:53 PM PDT
Story Updated: Jul 1, 2010 at 3:52 PM PDT


She also responded to less significant matters like to people wondering why the couple’s Ford truck was towed from the Horman’s property.

Terri writes it was a mechanical issue. “If I may clear your mind … the truck was towed due to starter and is back at the property.”

http://www.katu.com/news/local/97541389.html



If I comprehend the following ... it appears that the truck was towed away for repairs as well as towed away twice by investigators.

Janet

+++++

The search for Kyron: Terri Horman's father talks to 'People'
Story Published: Jun 27, 2010 at 5:42 PM PDT
Story Updated: Jun 27, 2010 at 6:06 PM PDT


The stepmother's dad, Larry Moulton, goes on to say investigators have questioned her six hours at a time, several times; have given her two polygraphs; and have taken her truck away twice.

Investigators had said the truck was removed from her home for repairs.

http://www.katu.com/news/local/97541389.html



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on August 03, 2010, 07:43:53 PM
nother Jonesr post

Jonesr(OP)
User ID: 1056989
 United States
8/3/2010 5:17 PM

Exactly, you guys are getting it, I'm not playing games, iv been working all day, my suspicions are confirmed, I'm at peace now.
You who still hate and doubt will never be able to see out of that cloud.
When this is over, reread this thread book and it will all be so clear, I owe nothing to anyone, I've given you all the answer to the Dede role in this.
Now use your conjecture, I'm goin fish'n.
Peace to all. God bless Kyron Horman.
If he owes nothing to anyone, why did he even bother to post all that he posted? His suspicions are confirmed, and he is at peace, wonder what all that means?

NRCG..Who the heck knows what he means anylonger.  At first he was understandable with what he posted.  Then he veered off the track into this game or puzzle phase.  At first I think he thought DD had something to do with this..if not directly, then indirectly.  But he seemed to feel se would fess up once her Daddy was involved.  So does this mean that between Daddy and the lawyer she is now telling the truth?   Because the first few posts of his is all I can make sense of myself.
I'm getting the feeling he knows DeDe was involved somehow, and he has made peace with it. I don't know, but if I had a relative that might be involved with a child missing, I would not be advertising it on the internet, would be so upset that I wouldn't want people to know any of it.  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Wyks on August 03, 2010, 07:47:35 PM

<snipped more to keep quote and link>

Dunno mediamama.  Sounds to me more like the next episode in their soap opera, than it does anything having to do with a grieving father trying to find his missing son.  The focus he supposedly has. 

 

Wyke ... do I detect a little skeptism.

Don't despair ... I suspect that stuff is about to happen ... stuff that implies answers have been forthcoming regarding the disappearance of this little boy.

 ::MonkeyAngel::

Janet



A little and then some, Janet.  As I've had the more the man speaks and acts.  Dunno that it has a dang thing to do with Kyron gone missing, and yet... am on board with all who want to know more about the family dynamics in this case.  Wouldn't be at all surprised if we were to find it all entwined down the road.  With Terri at the one end knowing what happened to Kyron, perhaps more.. with the rest of the family at the other end, knowing about the family issues but likely nothing about what Terri may have done with Kyron.  If that makes sense.  I just think at times that Kaine, while truly the grieving father at times, and deserving of that, tends to over-do the sympathy card to the public, while at the same time wants to get the focus back on Kyron, while he/family are the ones taking it off Kyron in the first place.   IMO MOO and all that. 
 


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 03, 2010, 07:50:30 PM
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/08/hearing_set_on_kaine_hormans_m.html (http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/08/hearing_set_on_kaine_hormans_m.html)

Hearing set on Kaine Horman's motion seeking source of Terri Moulton Horman's money


If there was a huge retainer fee paid to Terri's high profile representation ... where were these funds aquirered?  Will the money trail reveal what ultimately happened to Kyron Horman?

Janet

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Kyron’s Parents in Touch With Oprah but Say They Won’t Take Money for the Story
Friday, July 30th, 2010


The parents of missing 7-year-old Kyron Horman tell WW that producers for Oprah Winfrey have contacted them. But Kaine Horman and Desiree Young say they won’t take money for the story of Kyron’s disappearance.

“We wouldn’t sell it,” Young said in an interview Tuesday.

“Oh yeah,” Horman agreed. “It’s not about money.”

They said they’ve been in contact with producers from The Oprah Show. But they said they’ve received no offers yet for book or movie deals

Money has been an issue since July 26, when Kaine Horman filed papers in his ongoing divorce requesting to know the source of $350,000 that his wife, Terri Moulton Horman, allegedly paid her criminal-defense lawyer.

According to The Oregonian, Terri Moulton Horman’s lawyer filed a response Thursday calling that reported amount “grossly inaccurate.”

Kaine Horman told WW he has no idea where his wife got the money.

“When you find out, call me,” he said. “I want to know.”

One possibility that’s been suggested is that Terri Moulton Horman’s parents, Larry and Carol Moulton, may have taken out an additional mortgage on their $175,500 house in Roseburg. Terri Moulton Horman moved into that house with her parents around July 16.

But according to the Douglas County Assessor’s Office on Wednesday, the last time the Moultons refinanced their home was in 2008

http://blogs.wweek.com/news/tag/desiree-young/




Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: seahorse on August 03, 2010, 07:52:14 PM
nother Jonesr post

Jonesr(OP)
User ID: 1056989
 United States
8/3/2010 5:17 PM

Exactly, you guys are getting it, I'm not playing games, iv been working all day, my suspicions are confirmed, I'm at peace now.
You who still hate and doubt will never be able to see out of that cloud.
When this is over, reread this thread book and it will all be so clear, I owe nothing to anyone, I've given you all the answer to the Dede role in this.
Now use your conjecture, I'm goin fish'n.
Peace to all. God bless Kyron Horman.
If he owes nothing to anyone, why did he even bother to post all that he posted? His suspicions are confirmed, and he is at peace, wonder what all that means?

NRCG..Who the heck knows what he means anylonger.  At first he was understandable with what he posted.  Then he veered off the track into this game or puzzle phase.  At first I think he thought DD had something to do with this..if not directly, then indirectly.  But he seemed to feel se would fess up once her Daddy was involved.  So does this mean that between Daddy and the lawyer she is now telling the truth?   Because the first few posts of his is all I can make sense of myself.
I'm getting the feeling he knows DeDe was involved somehow, and he has made peace with it. I don't know, but if I had a relative that might be involved with a child missing, I would not be advertising it on the internet, would be so upset that I wouldn't want people to know any of it.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Hi No Rose & Monkey's & Guest,

I recall Cuz said DDS was very very spoiled when he lived with her family for four months, while he was attending H.S.
Please don't make me find the post   ::MonkeyHaHa::

NoRose do you think Chelsea babysat for SM?  Was the baby in her care on June 4?  Chelsea almost twenty years younger than
SM, maybe Gym friends? when Chelsea worked at the Gym?  Babysitter may fit the picture better, :roll: guessing.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Gypsy DD on August 03, 2010, 07:54:02 PM
WHY WAS THE TRUCK TOWED?

Terri Horman posted comments on KATU.com
Story Published: Jun 30, 2010 at 7:53 PM PDT
Story Updated: Jul 1, 2010 at 3:52 PM PDT


She also responded to less significant matters like to people wondering why the couple’s Ford truck was towed from the Horman’s property.

Terri writes it was a mechanical issue. “If I may clear your mind … the truck was towed due to starter and is back at the property.”

http://www.katu.com/news/local/97541389.html



If I comprehend the following ... it appears that the truck was towed away for repairs as well as towed away twice by investigators.

Janet

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The search for Kyron: Terri Horman's father talks to 'People'
Story Published: Jun 27, 2010 at 5:42 PM PDT
Story Updated: Jun 27, 2010 at 6:06 PM PDT


The stepmother's dad, Larry Moulton, goes on to say investigators have questioned her six hours at a time, several times; have given her two polygraphs; and have taken her truck away twice.

Investigators had said the truck was removed from her home for repairs.

http://www.katu.com/news/local/97541389.html



ITA..Many hve wondered why the truck needed repairs?  Kaine used it everyday work..it was his vehicle, other then Terri saying she needed it.

But her needing it to get the science fair project back and forth to school ..well for me..it just doesn't ring true.  We have always had three cars..now four.  But mine was a Honda and then a Tbird.   I never have asked to borrow my husbands truck for a school fair project..even in those little cars..the project would have fit in the trunk...as opposed to taking them to and fro in the rain..since Kaines truck did not have a cab on it...which my husband's does.. I still put the projects..over many years in the trunk of my car  or the backseat.  Who is she kidding thinking you need a truck, with no cab, to transpot a 2nd grade science project?


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Wyks on August 03, 2010, 08:02:12 PM

But WYKS..That never made any impact on Drew. Drew is the same as Scott P eterson..once the deed is done..more forward..no looking back.  It only served the public to know where Sharons heart was..and what she believed.   And Drew is in jail on charges dealing with the death of his 3rd wife , but we all still ask..where is poor Stacy?

I think Terri may have the same mind set..once the deed is done..it is on to the next person.aka Mr Cole.  Who I fully believe bought her the phone so they could have what they thought would be private sexting, etc.  Do I think he is involved in Kyron's disappearance..no.

I think he looked a gift horse in the mouth..and being slightly unstable himself, thought if this woman needs and wants sex..as well as posting grapic pics to him..he was ready to oblige.

I do not think that Terri posted sexually explicit pics to Cole or the LS without following through with the sex.  She is a horn dog ..plain and simple...and also a very disturbed person who thinks her wishes come before anyone else's.  And when someone else disagrees..she is a woman out for revenge.

The part I bolded, that's very true Gypsy, didn't seem to make a dang bit of difference (that we are aware of) to Drew.  It helped Sharon n friends of Stacy express frustration tho.  Felt like in one way a 'slap in the face to Drew' and standing up for what's right for Stacy at the same time.  Such a sad case.  Justice is prevailing for Kathy, hopefully one day it will for Stacy too.

Some red flags are down for me regarding Terri, yeppers.  Just waiting for more details to come out.  As they trickle out, I got a bunch of extra red flags to throw down, just in case.  And am stockpiling a bunch of stones to throw at her when the time is right.  Sigh.  We need more info!  I want a 'reliable inside source' dangit!! 

 


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: 4 Donks on August 03, 2010, 08:04:37 PM
Using the truck would be awkward for her.I have a 4WD pickup with the step like their truck. I'm tall and never use the step but both my sisters use the grab handles and steps to get into the truck. I believe Teri is short and it would be a pain climbing in and out especially with the baby and having to put the baby in baby seat.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: cw618 on August 03, 2010, 08:07:02 PM
Here’s the main portion of an email McCain sent:

<snipped for bold content>

He said the truck slammed on its brakes and barely stopped short of colliding with the motor home, but the sedan skidded and collided with the rear of the white pickup. DeWitt said it was not a major crash, but the sedan might have some slight front end damage and the pickup might show signs of a “paint swap” in the rear.

http://blogs.wweek.com/news/2010/08/03/kyron-horman-update-one-tipsters-startling-suspicions-and-frustration/

and the post i made about the painting the car, with scoopy and jonser
seems weird
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8338.msg1197727#msg1197727

thank you for posting this!it is significant I believe. not just coincidence that jonesr said it to scooby IMO

 ::MonkeyEek::   ::MonkeyShocked:: 


And the light just went on.   :smt103

Hmmmmm...... MUCH food for thought!  See if I let him date my avatar in there again.  pffffft.  But seriously.... Could it be??  I mean, my gosh, it could be!!



http://blogs.wweek.com/news/2010/08/03/kyron-horman-update-one-tipsters-startling-suspicions-and-frustration/

UPDATE: Lt. Mary Lindstrand, spokeswoman for the Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office, says a detective from an outside agency followed up on the tip “some time ago” and determined it wasn’t relevant to the investigation.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: seahorse on August 03, 2010, 08:10:08 PM
Shes back... :smt077



http://www.koinlocal6.com/content/news/topstories/story/Terri-Horman-back-in-Portland-as-others-appear/ZGRThEFwPUyPrIASZIWZ8Q.cspx

Terri Horman back in Portland as others appear before grand jury


Terri Horman was back in Portland Tuesday, less than 24 hours after Kaine Horman, Desiree and Tony Young appeared before a Multnomah County grand jury.
 
Terri pulled into the Pacwest Building in downtown Portland around 9 a.m. Tuesday to meet with criminal attorney Stephen Houze, who has an office on the 12th floor.
 
Terri was seen driving a white Toyota with her father, Larry Moulton. The two left just before 4:30 p.m.

Faced with questions as she was leaving about why she was in Portland and what happened to Kyron, Terri, shaded by sunglasses, stared straight ahead.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: d in texas on August 03, 2010, 08:11:47 PM
Terri Horman back in Portland as others appear before grand jury

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Terri Horman back in Portland Tuesday. (Kyle Mallory, KOIN) Terri Horman was back in Portland Tuesday, less than 24 hours after Kaine Horman, Desiree and Tony Young appeared before a Multnomah County grand jury.
 
http://www.koinlocal6.com/content/news/topstories/story/Terri-Horman-back-in-Portland-as-others-appear/ZGRThEFwPUyPrIASZIWZ8Q.cspx (http://www.koinlocal6.com/content/news/topstories/story/Terri-Horman-back-in-Portland-as-others-appear/ZGRThEFwPUyPrIASZIWZ8Q.cspx)


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 03, 2010, 08:14:34 PM
Chelsea Aleshire

Subpoena Issued To Another Friend Of Terri Horman
POSTED: 12:37 pm PDT August 3, 2010
UPDATED: 5:06 pm PDT August 3, 2010


PORTLAND, Ore. -- Another friend of Terri Horman has been subpoenaed to testify before a grand jury this week as the investigation into 7-year-old Kyron Horman's disappearance reached its 61st day.

Chelsea Aleshire, who identified herself as a close friend to Terri Horman, said she will appear in court Thursday. Aleshire spoke to Terri Horman on the day Kyron disappeared from Skyline School, but at the time they spoke, Aleshire was not aware that Kyron was missing, she said.

She has not spoken to Terri Horman since then, she said.

Aleshire is at least the second of Terri Horman's friends to have been subpoenaed. Eight days ago, DeDe Spicher appeared before the grand jury. Sources have said Spicher did not answer any questions. Kyron's birth parents, Kaine Horman and Desiree Young, have suggested she's not cooperating with the investigators.

The Oregonian newspaper reported this week that investigators have focused on Terri Horman's close circle of friends after learning one of them obtained new cell phones for her so she could avoid investigators' scrutiny.

http://www.kptv.com/news/24499150/detail.html


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 03, 2010, 08:17:43 PM
Terri Horman back in Portland as others appear before grand jury

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Terri Horman back in Portland Tuesday. (Kyle Mallory, KOIN) Terri Horman was back in Portland Tuesday, less than 24 hours after Kaine Horman, Desiree and Tony Young appeared before a Multnomah County grand jury.
 
http://www.koinlocal6.com/content/news/topstories/story/Terri-Horman-back-in-Portland-as-others-appear/ZGRThEFwPUyPrIASZIWZ8Q.cspx (http://www.koinlocal6.com/content/news/topstories/story/Terri-Horman-back-in-Portland-as-others-appear/ZGRThEFwPUyPrIASZIWZ8Q.cspx)

(Continued)

.... Terri pulled into the Pacwest Building in downtown Portland around 9 a.m. Tuesday to meet with criminal attorney Stephen Houze, who has an office on the 12th floor.
 
Terri was seen driving a white Toyota with her father, Larry Moulton. The two left just before 4:30 p.m.

Faced with questions as she was leaving about why she was in Portland and what happened to Kyron, Terri, shaded by sunglasses, stared straight ahead


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: klaasend on August 03, 2010, 08:19:56 PM
OMG, the Terri Support fb is talking about having a candlelight vigil for Terri and Kyron, maybe in Roseburg:

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Terri-Horman-Support-Page/131975590176118?ref=ts#!/topic.php?uid=131975590176118&topic=170

These people are unreal ::MonkeyNoNo::

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/TerriVigil.jpg)


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: d in texas on August 03, 2010, 08:26:23 PM
OMG, the Terri Support fb is talking about having a candlelight vigil for Terri and Kyron, maybe in Roseburg:

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Terri-Horman-Support-Page/131975590176118?ref=ts#!/topic.php?uid=131975590176118&topic=170

These people are unreal ::MonkeyNoNo::

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/TerriVigil.jpg)
They are somthing else, and I will say this they are close to the family if they are in Roseburg. 
Will say it again you can be a friend and stand behind anyone you choose.  But this bunch floors me it IS NOT about Terri Horman!!  It is about Kyron, and the only reason they are saying the name Kyron is because of being riducled by the public over their actions.  They really need to step back and look around them....


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 03, 2010, 08:27:42 PM
This morning it was posted that DeDe claimed that she was involved in a landscaping course in that 90 minutes she "abruptly" went missing from her place of employment ... a landscaping course without her cell phone.

What/who was the source?

Thanks

Janet

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Terri Horman back in Portland as others appear before grand jury
Last Update: 4:51 pm


"Early Show" co-anchor Erica Hill pointed out Spicher's friends are telling CBS News exclusively that the day Kyron went missing she says in the 90-minute period that's unaccounted for, she forgot her cell phone and was at work.

http://www.koinlocal6.com/content/news/topstories/story/Terri-Horman-back-in-Portland-as-others-appear/ZGRThEFwPUyPrIASZIWZ8Q.cspx


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Gypsy DD on August 03, 2010, 08:34:00 PM
OMG, the Terri Support fb is talking about having a candlelight vigil for Terri and Kyron, maybe in Roseburg:

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Terri-Horman-Support-Page/131975590176118?ref=ts#!/topic.php?uid=131975590176118&topic=170

These people are unreal ::MonkeyNoNo::

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/TerriVigil.jpg)

Too little too late.  The time for a Kyron vigil..well that should have been a first thought for those in Roseburg..it shouldn't have taken two months to come up with that idea.

What pissers they are..what a bunchunch of Sh*t!


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on August 03, 2010, 08:35:46 PM
Seahorse that is a good question, maybe Chelsea was a babysitter for Terri at times.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: ospainter on August 03, 2010, 08:50:46 PM
O/T Emmett Trapp 2nd little boy goes missing in AZ

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5iWv-O9LMPVpewV_ebRSCbpNAVP-gD9HCB4F81

Search under way for 2nd boy missing in Arizona

(AP) – 28 minutes ago

PRESCOTT, Ariz. — A search is under way for a 2-year-old boy in northern Arizona after his mother reported him missing Monday night.

The Yavapai County Sheriff's Office says the search east of Prescott for Emmitt Trapp, of Dewey-Humboldt, expanded overnight and included air searches by the Department of Public Safety.

The search effort continued Tuesday afternoon with additional teams in the area.

Authorities say there is no evidence of foul play, and the sheriff's office says there is no known association between this incident and the case of missing 2-year-old Sylar Newton.

Sylar was last seen the night of July 24 at the Beaver Creek Campground near Rimrock, where he was camping with his custodial mother and her family.

OS


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: txlisa on August 03, 2010, 09:00:48 PM
OMG, the Terri Support fb is talking about having a candlelight vigil for Terri and Kyron, maybe in Roseburg:

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Terri-Horman-Support-Page/131975590176118?ref=ts#!/topic.php?uid=131975590176118&topic=170

These people are unreal ::MonkeyNoNo::

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/TerriVigil.jpg)

Good Evening Monkeys!

They are a pretty superficial group of people.  Just yesterday they were discussing how Desiree doesn't hold a candle to Terri in the looks department.  Yea, real concerned about finding Kyron. 


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Desdemona on August 03, 2010, 09:01:53 PM
I read that Terri and Kaine were married April 15, 2007, and that Kiara was born December 8, 2008.  Are those dates correct?  Was Terri pregnant when they married?  Could that explain the non-traditional wedding in Hawaii?  Was an unintended pregnancy the trigger for getting married, after having lived together for a few years? 

If I am wrong about the dates, please someone in the know, post the correct info and accept my apologies.  Has it been discussed whether or not Terri was pregnant when she married Kaine, or whether Kiara was born prematurely (early)?  If it has been, and I missed it, my apologies for bringing it up.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Desdemona on August 03, 2010, 09:02:41 PM
OMG, the Terri Support fb is talking about having a candlelight vigil for Terri and Kyron, maybe in Roseburg:

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Terri-Horman-Support-Page/131975590176118?ref=ts#!/topic.php?uid=131975590176118&topic=170

These people are unreal ::MonkeyNoNo::

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/TerriVigil.jpg)

Good Evening Monkeys!

They are a pretty superficial group of people.  Just yesterday they were discussing how Desiree doesn't hold a candle to Terri in the looks department.  Yea, real concerned about finding Kyron. 
::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: d in texas on August 03, 2010, 09:03:59 PM
O/T Emmett Trapp 2nd little boy goes missing in AZ

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5iWv-O9LMPVpewV_ebRSCbpNAVP-gD9HCB4F81

Search under way for 2nd boy missing in Arizona

(AP) – 28 minutes ago

PRESCOTT, Ariz. — A search is under way for a 2-year-old boy in northern Arizona after his mother reported him missing Monday night.

The Yavapai County Sheriff's Office says the search east of Prescott for Emmitt Trapp, of Dewey-Humboldt, expanded overnight and included air searches by the Department of Public Safety.

The search effort continued Tuesday afternoon with additional teams in the area.

Authorities say there is no evidence of foul play, and the sheriff's office says there is no known association between this incident and the case of missing 2-year-old Sylar Newton.

Sylar was last seen the night of July 24 at the Beaver Creek Campground near Rimrock, where he was camping with his custodial mother and her family.

OS
his mother refused to speak with NG, torn on my feeling on that one, BUT she also asked them to NOT cover the story, they were floored.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: cw618 on August 03, 2010, 09:05:01 PM
saw this post at GLP, and it makes sense, for a time frame, that TH
had 6-4-10, see the mapped out link, i did in this order

11536 NW Skyline Blvd Portland, OR 97231  school
Pittock Bird Sanctuary, OR, which is in forest park
5415 SW Beaverton-Hillsdale Hwy Portland, OR 97221  Albertsons
22075 NW Imbrie Dr Hillsboro, OR 97124  Sunset Fred Meyer
1265 NW Waterhouse Ave Beaverton, OR 97006  gym
 NW Germantown Rd, Portland, just in case dede was involved
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post that got me to thinking on this
Mercy
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Well, I just remembered that it was reported early in the case two cars, one ID as Teri and a blue explored were seen zooming out of Suavi Island. The day of the disappearance. Dede drives a blue explorer.
This is not good.
The poster stating that Dede and Teri are gingers is on to something also,
I know she doesn't much care for kids, and never showed interest in meeting my three.
Dede was a very spoiled child, and never got as much as a lecture for bad behavoir her whole life, I lived with them for two years while in HS.
She is very selfcentered, and a narcisist. ( can't spell that one)
it's terrible to say about family but truth is truth.
IMO she is way more involved than we know yet.
I hope I'm wrong, I wasn't bout the gulf chasm and Matt simmons.
I'm surrounded by doom!



Every family has their oddballs so don't you dare feel bad in any way.

While it's too soon to know what happened, it is convenient she was working in the Horman's neighborhood when all this went down. The articles say she lives in another area.

Say, do you know what's about ten miles south of skyline school, which Ed Dames indicated?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1042274


Bird Sancutary is 10 miles south, mapped it.
 http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1141412/pg1

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mapped out, may be slow load its a big file
http://tinyurl.com/2dz99pu

topo with panoramio
http://www.infosports.com/parks/OR/1378057.html

map of school, bird Sanctuary, nw germantown rd
http://tinyurl.com/3ahlxl2

bird Sanctuary
http://audubonportland.org/sanctuaries/visiting/trailmap/trailmap

forest park info
http://www.portlandonline.com/parks/finder/index.cfm?PropertyID=127&action=ViewPark

http://www.40mileloop.org/map_40mileloop.htm

http://www.artofgeography.com/maps/fp/

http://www.artofgeography.com/maps/pdfs/fp-legend.pdf











Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: AZSunny on August 03, 2010, 09:14:09 PM
I read that Terri and Kaine were married April 15, 2007, and that Kiara was born December 8, 2008.  Are those dates correct?  Was Terri pregnant when they married?  Could that explain the non-traditional wedding in Hawaii?  Was an unintended pregnancy the trigger for getting married, after having lived together for a few years? 

If I am wrong about the dates, please someone in the know, post the correct info and accept my apologies.  Has it been discussed whether or not Terri was pregnant when she married Kaine, or whether Kiara was born prematurely (early)?  If it has been, and I missed it, my apologies for bringing it up.

My guess is the unconventional wedding is because this was her third marriage.  How many times can you wear white? 


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: AZSunny on August 03, 2010, 09:16:01 PM
O/T Emmett Trapp 2nd little boy goes missing in AZ

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5iWv-O9LMPVpewV_ebRSCbpNAVP-gD9HCB4F81

Search under way for 2nd boy missing in Arizona

(AP) – 28 minutes ago

PRESCOTT, Ariz. — A search is under way for a 2-year-old boy in northern Arizona after his mother reported him missing Monday night.

The Yavapai County Sheriff's Office says the search east of Prescott for Emmitt Trapp, of Dewey-Humboldt, expanded overnight and included air searches by the Department of Public Safety.

The search effort continued Tuesday afternoon with additional teams in the area.

Authorities say there is no evidence of foul play, and the sheriff's office says there is no known association between this incident and the case of missing 2-year-old Sylar Newton.

Sylar was last seen the night of July 24 at the Beaver Creek Campground near Rimrock, where he was camping with his custodial mother and her family.

OS
his mother refused to speak with NG, torn on my feeling on that one, BUT she also asked them to NOT cover the story, they were floored.

Which mother refused NG coverage?  There has been a lot of coverage in AZ on Sylar.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Desdemona on August 03, 2010, 09:18:45 PM
I read that Terri and Kaine were married April 15, 2007, and that Kiara was born December 8, 2008.  Are those dates correct?  Was Terri pregnant when they married?  Could that explain the non-traditional wedding in Hawaii?  Was an unintended pregnancy the trigger for getting married, after having lived together for a few years? 

If I am wrong about the dates, please someone in the know, post the correct info and accept my apologies.  Has it been discussed whether or not Terri was pregnant when she married Kaine, or whether Kiara was born prematurely (early)?  If it has been, and I missed it, my apologies for bringing it up.

My guess is the unconventional wedding is because this was her third marriage.  How many times can you wear white? 
Good point.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: seemeatthebeach on August 03, 2010, 09:18:58 PM
WHY WAS THE TRUCK TOWED?

Terri Horman posted comments on KATU.com
Story Published: Jun 30, 2010 at 7:53 PM PDT
Story Updated: Jul 1, 2010 at 3:52 PM PDT


She also responded to less significant matters like to people wondering why the couple’s Ford truck was towed from the Horman’s property.

Terri writes it was a mechanical issue. “If I may clear your mind … the truck was towed due to starter and is back at the property.”

http://www.katu.com/news/local/97541389.html



Back at the property with a brand-spankin' new gps tracking device,
courtesy of MCSO..........LOL


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: ospainter on August 03, 2010, 09:20:20 PM
O/T Emmett Trapp 2nd little boy goes missing in AZ

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5iWv-O9LMPVpewV_ebRSCbpNAVP-gD9HCB4F81

Search under way for 2nd boy missing in Arizona

(AP) – 28 minutes ago

PRESCOTT, Ariz. — A search is under way for a 2-year-old boy in northern Arizona after his mother reported him missing Monday night.

The Yavapai County Sheriff's Office says the search east of Prescott for Emmitt Trapp, of Dewey-Humboldt, expanded overnight and included air searches by the Department of Public Safety.

The search effort continued Tuesday afternoon with additional teams in the area.

Authorities say there is no evidence of foul play, and the sheriff's office says there is no known association between this incident and the case of missing 2-year-old Sylar Newton.

Sylar was last seen the night of July 24 at the Beaver Creek Campground near Rimrock, where he was camping with his custodial mother and her family.

OS
his mother refused to speak with NG, torn on my feeling on that one, BUT she also asked them to NOT cover the story, they were floored.

Which mother refused NG coverage?  There has been a lot of coverage in AZ on Sylar.

Hey Sunny

It was Emmett's mother according to NG producer.

OS


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: AZSunny on August 03, 2010, 09:22:32 PM
O/T Emmett Trapp 2nd little boy goes missing in AZ

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5iWv-O9LMPVpewV_ebRSCbpNAVP-gD9HCB4F81

Search under way for 2nd boy missing in Arizona

(AP) – 28 minutes ago

PRESCOTT, Ariz. — A search is under way for a 2-year-old boy in northern Arizona after his mother reported him missing Monday night.

The Yavapai County Sheriff's Office says the search east of Prescott for Emmitt Trapp, of Dewey-Humboldt, expanded overnight and included air searches by the Department of Public Safety.

The search effort continued Tuesday afternoon with additional teams in the area.

Authorities say there is no evidence of foul play, and the sheriff's office says there is no known association between this incident and the case of missing 2-year-old Sylar Newton.

Sylar was last seen the night of July 24 at the Beaver Creek Campground near Rimrock, where he was camping with his custodial mother and her family.

OS
his mother refused to speak with NG, torn on my feeling on that one, BUT she also asked them to NOT cover the story, they were floored.

Which mother refused NG coverage?  There has been a lot of coverage in AZ on Sylar.
AZ news said the Mom was taking a nap and when she awoke Emmitt and the family dog were missing.  The dog returned when she called it.  4 children in the house. Absolutely adorable little boy.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: seemeatthebeach on August 03, 2010, 09:22:36 PM
I read that Terri and Kaine were married April 15, 2007, and that Kiara was born December 8, 2008.  Are those dates correct?  Was Terri pregnant when they married?  Could that explain the non-traditional wedding in Hawaii?  Was an unintended pregnancy the trigger for getting married, after having lived together for a few years? 

If I am wrong about the dates, please someone in the know, post the correct info and accept my apologies.  Has it been discussed whether or not Terri was pregnant when she married Kaine, or whether Kiara was born prematurely (early)?  If it has been, and I missed it, my apologies for bringing it up.

My guess is the unconventional wedding is because this was her third marriage.  How many times can you wear white? 

.....from wearing white >>>>>>>>> bikini

I imagine she'll get married on a nudist beach if there's a #4 wedding.
ugghhhhh


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: AZSunny on August 03, 2010, 09:29:24 PM
I read that Terri and Kaine were married April 15, 2007, and that Kiara was born December 8, 2008.  Are those dates correct?  Was Terri pregnant when they married?  Could that explain the non-traditional wedding in Hawaii?  Was an unintended pregnancy the trigger for getting married, after having lived together for a few years? 

If I am wrong about the dates, please someone in the know, post the correct info and accept my apologies.  Has it been discussed whether or not Terri was pregnant when she married Kaine, or whether Kiara was born prematurely (early)?  If it has been, and I missed it, my apologies for bringing it up.

My guess is the unconventional wedding is because this was her third marriage.  How many times can you wear white? 



.....from wearing white >>>>>>>>> bikini

I imagine she'll get married on a nudist beach if there's a #4 wedding.
ugghhhhh
LOL...well, she better hit the gym again! 


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: nicubird on August 03, 2010, 09:30:59 PM
I read that Terri and Kaine were married April 15, 2007, and that Kiara was born December 8, 2008.  Are those dates correct?  Was Terri pregnant when they married?  Could that explain the non-traditional wedding in Hawaii?  Was an unintended pregnancy the trigger for getting married, after having lived together for a few years? 

If I am wrong about the dates, please someone in the know, post the correct info and accept my apologies.  Has it been discussed whether or not Terri was pregnant when she married Kaine, or whether Kiara was born prematurely (early)?  If it has been, and I missed it, my apologies for bringing it up.

Unless she's a pachyderm, that would be a pretty long gestation. (April 2007 to Dec 2008 = 19 months).  ::rhino::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: cw618 on August 03, 2010, 09:31:37 PM
Quote
from wearing white >>>>>>>>> bikini

I imagine she'll get married on a nudist beach if there's a #4 wedding.
ugghhhhh

you know if she does not go to jail for life, there could be a 4th
    ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: AZSunny on August 03, 2010, 09:43:04 PM
I read that Terri and Kaine were married April 15, 2007, and that Kiara was born December 8, 2008.  Are those dates correct?  Was Terri pregnant when they married?  Could that explain the non-traditional wedding in Hawaii?  Was an unintended pregnancy the trigger for getting married, after having lived together for a few years? 

If I am wrong about the dates, please someone in the know, post the correct info and accept my apologies.  Has it been discussed whether or not Terri was pregnant when she married Kaine, or whether Kiara was born prematurely (early)?  If it has been, and I missed it, my apologies for bringing it up.

Unless she's a pachyderm, that would be a pretty long gestation. (April 2007 to Dec 2008 = 19 months).  ::rhino::
::MonkeyHaHa:: I had a pregnancy like that!  It would never end!


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: AZSunny on August 03, 2010, 09:43:49 PM
Quote
from wearing white >>>>>>>>> bikini

I imagine she'll get married on a nudist beach if there's a #4 wedding.
ugghhhhh

you know if she does not go to jail for life, there could be a 4th
    ::MonkeyEek::

and a 5th and a 6th! 


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Desdemona on August 03, 2010, 09:44:17 PM
I read that Terri and Kaine were married April 15, 2007, and that Kiara was born December 8, 2008.  Are those dates correct?  Was Terri pregnant when they married?  Could that explain the non-traditional wedding in Hawaii?  Was an unintended pregnancy the trigger for getting married, after having lived together for a few years? 

If I am wrong about the dates, please someone in the know, post the correct info and accept my apologies.  Has it been discussed whether or not Terri was pregnant when she married Kaine, or whether Kiara was born prematurely (early)?  If it has been, and I missed it, my apologies for bringing it up.

Unless she's a pachyderm, that would be a pretty long gestation. (April 2007 to Dec 2008 = 19 months).  ::rhino::
hahaha
 ::MonkeyDance::

I subonsciously changed the dates to make sense... they were wrong.  It said they married April 2008.

Oooops! That was funny!


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: newfie on August 03, 2010, 09:49:05 PM
Hi ALL! I hope all is well and everyone is healthy and Happy. I wish there was good news but after perusing the posts, Kyron is still somewhere out there. This is looking real bad. The more time that passes the more forensic evidence will be destroyed, which is what Terri is banking on. I don't even venture to the Facebook site, and that God is whatever site is too crude for me. I read some and tried to post but felt it was a waste of time. As far as Facebook, Hopein Va, etc., everyone has followers, Manson had his. (yikes) I tried to think Terri was innocent in the beginning but her silence falls heavy with guilt. If she were innocent there would be a different reaction from her. If someone accused you of something this horrible would you remain stoic? We are all human and therefore flawed. There are some things regardless of how much of a sociopath a person may be will reveal the truth. Warm wishes and prayers for Kaine, Desiree,Tony, James, and their other family members. I hope LE leaves no stone unturned. Wonder what Ole' Oaks is up to? Even though there is conflict and Egos some searching is better than none.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: klaasend on August 03, 2010, 09:50:06 PM
I read that Terri and Kaine were married April 15, 2007, and that Kiara was born December 8, 2008.  Are those dates correct?  Was Terri pregnant when they married?  Could that explain the non-traditional wedding in Hawaii?  Was an unintended pregnancy the trigger for getting married, after having lived together for a few years? 

If I am wrong about the dates, please someone in the know, post the correct info and accept my apologies.  Has it been discussed whether or not Terri was pregnant when she married Kaine, or whether Kiara was born prematurely (early)?  If it has been, and I missed it, my apologies for bringing it up.

Unless she's a pachyderm, that would be a pretty long gestation. (April 2007 to Dec 2008 = 19 months).  ::rhino::
hahaha
 ::MonkeyDance::

I subonsciously changed the dates to make sense... they were wrong.  It said they married April 2008.

Oooops! That was funny!

They were married in 2007 but I'm not sure of the date. 


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Desdemona on August 03, 2010, 09:51:48 PM
Oh no.  Even bigger oooops!  Just checked again -- nope, it said 2007.  My own boo-boo after all!

I promise, I was not even  ::monkeywine2:: !  Just feeling under the weather.  I guess that will have to do for my excuse...

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: (Thanks to my goof and 04Bull's sense of humor, this thread now contains the word "pachyderm."  Now we know this case has really turned into a circus.)


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: klaasend on August 03, 2010, 09:52:07 PM
Hi ALL! I hope all is well and everyone is healthy and Happy. I wish there was good news but after perusing the posts, Kyron is still somewhere out there. This is looking real bad. The more time that passes the more forensic evidence will be destroyed, which is what Terri is banking on. I don't even venture to the Facebook site, and that God is whatever site is too crude for me. I read some and tried to post but felt it was a waste of time. As far as Facebook, Hopein Va, etc., everyone has followers, Manson had his. (yikes) I tried to think Terri was innocent in the beginning but her silence falls heavy with guilt. If she were innocent there would be a different reaction from her. If someone accused you of something this horrible would you remain stoic? We are all human and therefore flawed. There are some things regardless of how much of a sociopath a person may be will reveal the truth. Warm wishes and prayers for Kaine, Desiree,Tony, James, and their other family members. I hope LE leaves no stone unturned. Wonder what Ole' Oaks is up to? Even though there is conflict and Egos some searching is better than none.

If Terri harmed Kyron, it benefits her for people to believe he's stashed alive some place.  The longer it takes to find Kyron the more evidence is lost.  Yes, Terri is banking on this IMO.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Roxie on August 03, 2010, 09:54:32 PM
http://primewriter.com/news-1246-headlines/?p=8652
Kyron Horman case update: Second friend of Terri Horman subpoenaed before grand jury

A second friend of Kyron Horman’s stepmother, Terri Horman, has been subpoenaed to appear before the grand jury. KPTV reports that Chelsea Aleshire will appear before the grand jury on Thursday, August 5, 2010. Yesterday, Kaine Horman and Desiree Young testified before the grand jury but it is unclear whether the testimony is regarding the alleged murder-for-hire plot or Kyron’s June 4th disappearance. Today marks 61 days since Kyron Horman has been seen.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Tracygirl on August 03, 2010, 10:01:28 PM
I read that Terri and Kaine were married April 15, 2007, and that Kiara was born December 8, 2008.  Are those dates correct?  Was Terri pregnant when they married?  Could that explain the non-traditional wedding in Hawaii?  Was an unintended pregnancy the trigger for getting married, after having lived together for a few years? 

If I am wrong about the dates, please someone in the know, post the correct info and accept my apologies.  Has it been discussed whether or not Terri was pregnant when she married Kaine, or whether Kiara was born prematurely (early)?  If it has been, and I missed it, my apologies for bringing it up.

My guess is the unconventional wedding is because this was her third marriage.  How many times can you wear white? 
Good point.

I am on my 3rd marriage. I wore a white dress with yellow flowers. It took me 3 times to get it right.
My bother married a woman and it was her 3rd marriage, she and my brother were married for over 26 years and she took care of him for 2 full years before he died of cancer.
Being married more then once is not a crime and it is not an indication of bad behavior or a bad person.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: seemeatthebeach on August 03, 2010, 10:03:26 PM
Quote
from wearing white >>>>>>>>> bikini

I imagine she'll get married on a nudist beach if there's a #4 wedding.
ugghhhhh

you know if she does not go to jail for life, there could be a 4th
    ::MonkeyEek::

yep, very scary ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on August 03, 2010, 10:06:25 PM
I read that Terri and Kaine were married April 15, 2007, and that Kiara was born December 8, 2008.  Are those dates correct?  Was Terri pregnant when they married?  Could that explain the non-traditional wedding in Hawaii?  Was an unintended pregnancy the trigger for getting married, after having lived together for a few years? 

If I am wrong about the dates, please someone in the know, post the correct info and accept my apologies.  Has it been discussed whether or not Terri was pregnant when she married Kaine, or whether Kiara was born prematurely (early)?  If it has been, and I missed it, my apologies for bringing it up.

My guess is the unconventional wedding is because this was her third marriage.  How many times can you wear white? 
Good point.

I am on my 3rd marriage. I wore a white dress with yellow flowers. It took me 3 times to get it right.
My bother married a woman and it was her 3rd marriage, she and my brother were married for over 26 years and she took care of him for 2 full years before he died of cancer.
Being married more then once is not a crime and it is not an indication of bad behavior or a bad person.
::MonkeyAngel:: You are so right on that.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: seemeatthebeach on August 03, 2010, 10:06:41 PM
My younger sister is on her 3rd marriage.......I remember my dad telling her after paying for the 3rd, he was done.....He was joking of course (I think)

Anyways.....I know lots of people on their 3rd or 4th marriage. It is what it is.......


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 03, 2010, 10:07:13 PM
Kiara was born over 1 1/2 years following Kaine and Terri's wedding

Janet

++++++

Timeline in a Nutshell

2002 (September)
- Kyron is born.

2003
- Desiree and Kaine are divorced
- Desiree and Kaine share custody of Kaine.
- Desiree is the primary caregiver.

2004
- Desiree suffers kidney failure
- Kyron lives with Kaine and Terri
- Terri and James enter scenario
- Desiree does not attempt to regain custody

2007 (April)
- Terri and Kaine are married

2008 (December)
- Kiara is born
 

Source:

Kyron Horman's blended family: Friends describe a close, supportive group
Published: Saturday, June 19, 2010, 5:36 PM
Updated: Saturday, June 19, 2010, 6:46 PM


http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/kyron_hormans_blended_family_f.html


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: seemeatthebeach on August 03, 2010, 10:10:14 PM
My younger sister is on her 3rd marriage.......I remember my dad telling her after paying for the 3rd, he was done.....He was joking of course (I think)

Anyways.....I know lots of people on their 3rd or 4th marriage. It is what it is.......

I forgot to add, I have an older sister, so when my younger sister got married for the 3rd time, my dad had paid for 5 weddings within about 8 years.......thank heavens he invested well over the years. R.I.P. daddy!!



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 03, 2010, 10:10:42 PM
My younger sister is on her 3rd marriage.......I remember my dad telling her after paying for the 3rd, he was done.....He was joking of course (I think)

Anyways.....I know lots of people on their 3rd or 4th marriage. It is what it is.......

Your sister was fortunate.  Our advise to each of our kids prior to his/her  wedding ... "Make it work because this is the only party on our dime."

Janet


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 03, 2010, 10:16:25 PM
I read that Terri and Kaine were married April 15, 2007, and that Kiara was born December 8, 2008.  Are those dates correct?  Was Terri pregnant when they married?  Could that explain the non-traditional wedding in Hawaii?  Was an unintended pregnancy the trigger for getting married, after having lived together for a few years? 

If I am wrong about the dates, please someone in the know, post the correct info and accept my apologies.  Has it been discussed whether or not Terri was pregnant when she married Kaine, or whether Kiara was born prematurely (early)?  If it has been, and I missed it, my apologies for bringing it up.

Unless she's a pachyderm, that would be a pretty long gestation. (April 2007 to Dec 2008 = 19 months).  ::rhino::
::MonkeyHaHa:: I had a pregnancy like that!  It would never end!

Me too.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: txlisa on August 03, 2010, 10:17:33 PM
This now from Jonesr at GLP:

Quote
To all tards;
scooby=Dede

I guess he is saying that Dede was communicating with him through the GLP forum?


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Claycat on August 03, 2010, 10:22:58 PM
This now from Jonesr at GLP:

Quote
To all tards;
scooby=Dede

I guess he is saying that Dede was communicating with him through the GLP forum?

You beat me!  We've been wondering about this!


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Claycat on August 03, 2010, 10:31:29 PM
"scooby" joined GLP yesterday and has posted 55 posts.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Scandi on August 03, 2010, 10:32:34 PM
Oh no.  Even bigger oooops!  Just checked again -- nope, it said 2007.  My own boo-boo after all!

I promise, I was not even  ::monkeywine2:: !  Just feeling under the weather.  I guess that will have to do for my excuse...

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: (Thanks to my goof and 04Bull's sense of humor, this thread now contains the word "pachyderm."  Now we know this case has really turned into a circus.)

Hi, That's par for Portland.   ::MonkeyHaHa:: Portland has a history of neat elephants, like Rosie and Packy.  Babies both who were named in city wide contests and grew up here as we did.   ;}


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Claycat on August 03, 2010, 10:37:13 PM
"scooby" joined GLP yesterday and has posted 55 posts.

She went back and edited many of her posts.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Wyks on August 03, 2010, 10:37:35 PM
I read that Terri and Kaine were married April 15, 2007, and that Kiara was born December 8, 2008.  Are those dates correct?  Was Terri pregnant when they married?  Could that explain the non-traditional wedding in Hawaii?  Was an unintended pregnancy the trigger for getting married, after having lived together for a few years? 

If I am wrong about the dates, please someone in the know, post the correct info and accept my apologies.  Has it been discussed whether or not Terri was pregnant when she married Kaine, or whether Kiara was born prematurely (early)?  If it has been, and I missed it, my apologies for bringing it up.

My guess is the unconventional wedding is because this was her third marriage.  How many times can you wear white? 

 ::MonkeyDevil::



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: txlisa on August 03, 2010, 10:38:38 PM
"scooby" joined GLP yesterday and has posted 55 posts.

She went back and edited many of her posts.

I saw that!  Now Jonesr is saying Winterborne= Dede.  WTF is up?


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Wyks on August 03, 2010, 10:39:29 PM
I read that Terri and Kaine were married April 15, 2007, and that Kiara was born December 8, 2008.  Are those dates correct?  Was Terri pregnant when they married?  Could that explain the non-traditional wedding in Hawaii?  Was an unintended pregnancy the trigger for getting married, after having lived together for a few years? 

If I am wrong about the dates, please someone in the know, post the correct info and accept my apologies.  Has it been discussed whether or not Terri was pregnant when she married Kaine, or whether Kiara was born prematurely (early)?  If it has been, and I missed it, my apologies for bringing it up.

My guess is the unconventional wedding is because this was her third marriage.  How many times can you wear white? 

.....from wearing white >>>>>>>>> bikini

I imagine she'll get married on a nudist beach if there's a #4 wedding.
ugghhhhh

Well.. that won't be too much of a problem, since there IS one out on Sauvie Island.   ::MonkeyHaHa::



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Wyks on August 03, 2010, 10:40:49 PM
I read that Terri and Kaine were married April 15, 2007, and that Kiara was born December 8, 2008.  Are those dates correct?  Was Terri pregnant when they married?  Could that explain the non-traditional wedding in Hawaii?  Was an unintended pregnancy the trigger for getting married, after having lived together for a few years? 

If I am wrong about the dates, please someone in the know, post the correct info and accept my apologies.  Has it been discussed whether or not Terri was pregnant when she married Kaine, or whether Kiara was born prematurely (early)?  If it has been, and I missed it, my apologies for bringing it up.

Unless she's a pachyderm, that would be a pretty long gestation. (April 2007 to Dec 2008 = 19 months).  ::rhino::

<giggles>  was waiting for someone to catch that.   ::rhino::



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Wyks on August 03, 2010, 10:44:00 PM
Oh no.  Even bigger oooops!  Just checked again -- nope, it said 2007.  My own boo-boo after all!

I promise, I was not even  ::monkeywine2:: !  Just feeling under the weather.  I guess that will have to do for my excuse...

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: (Thanks to my goof and 04Bull's sense of humor, this thread now contains the word "pachyderm."  Now we know this case has really turned into a circus.)

Desi.   ::MonkeyKiss::



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Babybear on August 03, 2010, 10:44:51 PM
I read that Terri and Kaine were married April 15, 2007, and that Kiara was born December 8, 2008.  Are those dates correct?  Was Terri pregnant when they married?  Could that explain the non-traditional wedding in Hawaii?  Was an unintended pregnancy the trigger for getting married, after having lived together for a few years? 

If I am wrong about the dates, please someone in the know, post the correct info and accept my apologies.  Has it been discussed whether or not Terri was pregnant when she married Kaine, or whether Kiara was born prematurely (early)?  If it has been, and I missed it, my apologies for bringing it up.

My guess is the unconventional wedding is because this was her third marriage.  How many times can you wear white? 
Good point.

I am on my 3rd marriage. I wore a white dress with yellow flowers. It took me 3 times to get it right.
My bother married a woman and it was her 3rd marriage, she and my brother were married for over 26 years and she took care of him for 2 full years before he died of cancer.
Being married more then once is not a crime and it is not an indication of bad behavior or a bad person.

I agree with that.  I've only been married once to the love of my life. He died a few years ago.  I will never marry again.  But I know things happen in marriages and the people involved realize they are not a good match, or one goes out on their own, things happen.  Sometimes really bad things.

But the reason I butted in here is to say that Terri was married in a red bikini because she is an exhibitionist.  Look at me!! Look at me!!! Her grotesque body in the body building contest where she came in fourth of four contestants.  It was like they held a beauty contest and nobody won. Her silly reference to her red car as a 'Stang. A red one too.  Flaming red hair.  Exhibitionist.



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: klaasend on August 03, 2010, 10:44:52 PM
This now from Jonesr at GLP:

Quote
To all tards;
scooby=Dede

I guess he is saying that Dede was communicating with him through the GLP forum?

So if it's true that "Scooby" was DeDe, here are a couple of posts to take a look at.  Scooby made a point of posting the article about the Bishop Rd search.  It was after that that Jonesr announced that Kyron will be found on Bishop Road:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/Scooby1.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/JonesrScooby1.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/Scooby2.jpg)

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1141412/pg113

FYI - Scooby has edited most of their posts


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: txlisa on August 03, 2010, 10:46:02 PM
So if that really is Dede's cousin on the the GPL thread, he and his cousing are into playing games while a child's life is on the line.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Scandi on August 03, 2010, 10:50:02 PM
At least there was something new today in the case.  I wonder if this Chelsea {??? read name too fast} was babysitting the baby on the morning of the 4th and Kaine just believed Terri had her with because she told him she was ???  Isn't he our verification the baby was with Terri when Kyron disappeared?

To whoever posted about the 2 cars driving wildly on SI on the 4th, it could be they were in panic mode and driving into a desolate area of the island, of which there are many.  There is the area up north aroung Sturgeon Lake and the area of the nudie beach on the east side of the island which borders the Columbia River.  I could easily see them looking for a far and away place that is was close by for convenience to put Kyron's body. 

The only thing I wonder about then is the timing of both Terri and Dede driving in tandem on the island with the timeline we have been given.  When Terri was out driving around Dede was supposedly at work with alibi, leaving there at 11:35am,  and at which time Terri was pulling up in the gym parking lot !!!


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: txlisa on August 03, 2010, 10:50:45 PM
Could Jonesr (dede's cousin) been destroying evidence for dede and Terri?


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Wyks on August 03, 2010, 10:52:25 PM

Lordy do I feel stewwwwwwwwpid for having been taken in by them over there. 

*feels like I need a shower now* 

Next time I try to venture outside the cage, would someone plz smack me upside the head with a brick? 

 :2brickwall:



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: klaasend on August 03, 2010, 10:54:04 PM
So if that really is Dede's cousin on the the GPL thread, he and his cousing are into playing games while a child's life is on the line.

Yes, I do believe it's really DeDe's cousin Tom Jones.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Claycat on August 03, 2010, 10:54:31 PM
Klaas, do you think LE would be aware that DeDe may have been posting on GLP? 


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: klaasend on August 03, 2010, 10:54:55 PM

Lordy do I feel stewwwwwwwwpid for having been taken in by them over there. 

*feels like I need a shower now* 

Next time I try to venture outside the cage, would someone plz smack me upside the head with a brick? 

 :2brickwall:



Yeah but at least your avatar got a date out of it  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Scatty on August 03, 2010, 10:55:22 PM
"scooby" joined GLP yesterday and has posted 55 posts.

She went back and edited many of her posts.

I saw that!  Now Jonesr is saying Winterborne= Dede.  WTF is up?

At first I thought this guy was serious and cared about a missing boy, but now, for me, he has lost credibility. His posts seem to have degenerated into playing games with the other posters. He posts contradictions, changes opinions from one post to the next, deliberately I think. I'm tired of the mysterious riddles, innuendo and smug "see if you are smart enough to guess what I'm saying" attitude he puts out there. And now: "it's dede--no it's not--this one's dede" -- who cares?? I used to read his thread, but like the straw that broke the camel's back, this latest silliness  has made me lose all interest in anything he has to say.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: klaasend on August 03, 2010, 10:55:33 PM
Klaas, do you think LE would be aware that DeDe may have been posting on GLP? 

I would sure hope LE knows.  Don't you think LE would be monitoring her?


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Wyks on August 03, 2010, 10:56:18 PM

Lordy do I feel stewwwwwwwwpid for having been taken in by them over there. 

*feels like I need a shower now* 

Next time I try to venture outside the cage, would someone plz smack me upside the head with a brick? 

 :2brickwall:



Yeah but at least your avatar got a date out of it  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Bwahahaha!   ::MonkeyHaHa::  Dang avatar gets around more than I do!!   ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: mchenry on August 03, 2010, 10:56:45 PM
So if that really is Dede's cousin on the the GPL thread, he and his cousing are into playing games while a child's life is on the line.
It looks like it. Ain't that just great. ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: txlisa on August 03, 2010, 10:57:06 PM
"scooby" joined GLP yesterday and has posted 55 posts.

She went back and edited many of her posts.

I saw that!  Now Jonesr is saying Winterborne= Dede.  WTF is up?

At first I thought this guy was serious and cared about a missing boy, but now, for me, he has lost credibility. His posts seem to have degenerated into playing games with the other posters. He posts contradictions, changes opinions from one post to the next, deliberately I think. I'm tired of the mysterious riddles, innuendo and smug "see if you are smart enough to guess what I'm saying" attitude he puts out there. And now: "it's dede--no it's not--this one's dede" -- who cares?? I used to read his thread, but like the straw that broke the camel's back, this latest silliness  has made me lose all interest in anything he has to say.

Whatever this person is up to, I'm sure LE has been alerted.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Claycat on August 03, 2010, 10:58:49 PM
Klaas, do you think LE would be aware that DeDe may have been posting on GLP? 

I would sure hope LE knows.  Don't you think LE would be monitoring her?

Well, a lot of forums have been following that thread, so I'm hoping LE started paying attention to it as well.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Lifesong on August 03, 2010, 11:01:00 PM
Klaas, do you think LE would be aware that DeDe may have been posting on GLP? 

I would sure hope LE knows.  Don't you think LE would be monitoring her?

I would certainly think that if LE thinks she has something to do with the case that they'd be monitoring her.

I would also think that her attorney would be none too pleased that she's posting on an internet forum about the case.

I don't think this little game they are playing is cute at all.

Where is Kyron?!


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Wyks on August 03, 2010, 11:01:57 PM

Babybear.  < hugs > 

I agree about the "Look at me!! Look at me!!" aspect of Terri.  At least during that point in her life.  Sure does seem like she went downhill in a fast hurry from there. 



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Wyks on August 03, 2010, 11:05:03 PM

The riddles and all that now.. seem like.. distractions.  Keeping folks busy trying to figure them out.  So we wouldn't be looking at.......... what?? 



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Wyks on August 03, 2010, 11:07:55 PM

At first I thought this guy was serious and cared about a missing boy, but now, for me, he has lost credibility. His posts seem to have degenerated into playing games with the other posters. He posts contradictions, changes opinions from one post to the next, deliberately I think. I'm tired of the mysterious riddles, innuendo and smug "see if you are smart enough to guess what I'm saying" attitude he puts out there. And now: "it's dede--no it's not--this one's dede" -- who cares?? I used to read his thread, but like the straw that broke the camel's back, this latest silliness  has made me lose all interest in anything he has to say.

Whatever this person is up to, I'm sure LE has been alerted.

 ::rhino::   ::rhino::

I agree with you both. 


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 03, 2010, 11:18:51 PM
At least there was something new today in the case.  I wonder if this Chelsea {??? read name too fast} was babysitting the baby on the morning of the 4th and Kaine just believed Terri had her with because she told him she was ???  Isn't he our verification the baby was with Terri when Kyron disappeared?

To whoever posted about the 2 cars driving wildly on SI on the 4th, it could be they were in panic mode and driving into a desolate area of the island, of which there are many.  There is the area up north aroung Sturgeon Lake and the area of the nudie beach on the east side of the island which borders the Columbia River.  I could easily see them looking for a far and away place that is was close by for convenience to put Kyron's body. 

The only thing I wonder about then is the timing of both Terri and Dede driving in tandem on the island with the timeline we have been given.  When Terri was out driving around Dede was supposedly at work with alibi, leaving there at 11:35am,  and at which time Terri was pulling up in the gym parking lot !!!

Chelsea Aleshire

Subpoena Issued To Another Friend Of Terri Horman
POSTED: 12:37 pm PDT August 3, 2010
UPDATED: 5:06 pm PDT August 3, 2010


PORTLAND, Ore. -- Another friend of Terri Horman has been subpoenaed to testify before a grand jury this week as the investigation into 7-year-old Kyron Horman's disappearance reached its 61st day.

Chelsea Aleshire, who identified herself as a close friend to Terri Horman, said she will appear in court Thursday. Aleshire spoke to Terri Horman on the day Kyron disappeared from Skyline School, but at the time they spoke, Aleshire was not aware that Kyron was missing, she said.

She has not spoken to Terri Horman since then, she said.

Aleshire is at least the second of Terri Horman's friends to have been subpoenaed. Eight days ago, DeDe Spicher appeared before the grand jury. Sources have said Spicher did not answer any questions. Kyron's birth parents, Kaine Horman and Desiree Young, have suggested she's not cooperating with the investigators.

The Oregonian newspaper reported this week that investigators have focused on Terri Horman's close circle of friends after learning one of them obtained new cell phones for her so she could avoid investigators' scrutiny.

http://www.kptv.com/news/24499150/detail.html


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: seemeatthebeach on August 03, 2010, 11:19:09 PM

Terri Horman back in Portland as others appear before grand jury

Last Update: 6:33 pm

Terri Horman was back in Portland Tuesday, less than 24 hours after Kaine Horman, Desiree and Tony Young appeared before a Multnomah County grand jury.
 
Terri pulled into the Pacwest Building in downtown Portland around 9 a.m. Tuesday to meet with criminal attorney Stephen Houze, who has an office on the 12th floor.

A court date was set (Aug. 25) for Kaine and Terri's divorce and restraining order, but it is unclear if that is the reason Terri was in Portland.

She was seen driving a white Toyota with her father, Larry Moulton. The two left just before 4:30 p.m.
 
“We’re still very much in charge of this investigation, it’s active, it’s very productive at this point – we’re moving forward,” said Capt. Jason Gates, a Multnomah County Sheriff’s spokesman.
 
While no one in law enforcement has named Terri a suspect, members of Kyron’s family, as well as Terri’s friend DeDe Spicher, have been called before the grand jury.

Former Multnomah County Sheriff’s Capt. Bruce McCain says the fact that Kyron’s stepmom has not appeared before the grand jury is significant, in that grand juries don’t usually subpoena a possible suspect.

http://www.koinlocal6.com/content/news/topstories/story/Terri-Horman-back-in-Portland-as-others-appear/ZGRThEFwPUyPrIASZIWZ8Q.cspx

 ::monkeyscissors::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 03, 2010, 11:22:40 PM
Good Night Monkeys.

 ::HelloKitty::

Janet
8:25 PM PT


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Itaryl Moosee on August 03, 2010, 11:29:44 PM
Klaas, do you think LE would be aware that DeDe may have been posting on GLP? 

I would sure hope LE knows.  Don't you think LE would be monitoring her?

I would certainly think that if LE thinks she has something to do with the case that they'd be monitoring her.

I would also think that her attorney would be none too pleased that she's posting on an internet forum about the case.

I don't think this little game they are playing is cute at all.

Where is Kyron?!

I don't think that Jonesr and Scooby are in any way related to the Kyron Horman case. I think they are two very sorry individuals (or maybe one with two usernames) who have injected themselves into the case because they pathetically seek the attention they desperately need and can't get anywhere else.

Before believing anything they say, I would like to have proof that they are who they say they are. But, just claiming that they are cousins, or whatever, of a person doesn't mean they are.

I doubt that Dede be playing games with people like this. She has to know that posts made online are EASILY traceable back to her, and it wouldn't look good on her to be online playing riddles with people when she has been implicated in the case.

IMO.



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: New Monkey on August 03, 2010, 11:32:12 PM
So if that really is Dede's cousin on the the GPL thread, he and his cousing are into playing games while a child's life is on the line.
It looks like it. Ain't that just great. ::MonkeyMad::
I do think this is her cousin, though, right?  He knew about the GJ before she went and he knew about her dad. . .


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: klaasend on August 03, 2010, 11:37:40 PM
So if that really is Dede's cousin on the the GPL thread, he and his cousing are into playing games while a child's life is on the line.
It looks like it. Ain't that just great. ::MonkeyMad::
I do think this is her cousin, though, right?  He knew about the GJ before she went and he knew about her dad. . .

Yes, I do believe it is her cousin.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: cw618 on August 03, 2010, 11:44:27 PM

The riddles and all that now.. seem like.. distractions.  Keeping folks busy trying to figure them out.  So we wouldn't be looking at.......... what?? 



each jonesr(op), may not be the same person, i think you can log a name
with out signing in, if not you get the AC name

when the jonesr op started to riddle, i thought he/she is gameing
who knows,if that fourm thinks something isnt right, guess they
will do what needs to be done
 you could delete your account/posts


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: d in texas on August 03, 2010, 11:44:59 PM
Klaas, do you think LE would be aware that DeDe may have been posting on GLP? 

I would sure hope LE knows.  Don't you think LE would be monitoring her?
If they have borrowed phones, throw away phones NO, remember him saying in the beginning how is IP jumped around etc.  I don't know what the H*** is going on but these people make me SICK!!!!
I have been working all night to set up a list of to date what is known about Terri, feel free to share (please give credit) it took me a LONG time to do this. 
AND if I am missing anything please let me know, should I add this GLP thing?  Do we know if he comes here?
[url][http://www.truecrimeinthe21stcentury.com/2010/08/03/terri-horman//url]


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: d in texas on August 03, 2010, 11:49:21 PM
"scooby" joined GLP yesterday and has posted 55 posts.

She went back and edited many of her posts.

I saw that!  Now Jonesr is saying Winterborne= Dede.  WTF is up?

At first I thought this guy was serious and cared about a missing boy, but now, for me, he has lost credibility. His posts seem to have degenerated into playing games with the other posters. He posts contradictions, changes opinions from one post to the next, deliberately I think. I'm tired of the mysterious riddles, innuendo and smug "see if you are smart enough to guess what I'm saying" attitude he puts out there. And now: "it's dede--no it's not--this one's dede" -- who cares?? I used to read his thread, but like the straw that broke the camel's back, this latest silliness  has made me lose all interest in anything he has to say.
Up until yesterday as he was asking everyone to guide him around to the known "areas" was that so he could see what "they" knew versus what "we" knew.  Making sure nothing was left behind?  I am so MAD!!!  will say this GLP gets wind of this they will let loose on these fools suggest copy and paste NOW!!!


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Itaryl Moosee on August 03, 2010, 11:49:25 PM
I challenge Jonesr.

To prove he is indeed related to Dede, maybe by contacting this BB moderator and having his information verified, or by telling us something we don't know, something we can't figure out by research online or by calling local LE and asking.

Tell us what's next for Dede. Why didn't she testify during the GJ, and why was she given a date for next week? Is the GJ for the MFH, or for Kyron's disappearance?

:)



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: d in texas on August 03, 2010, 11:53:11 PM
Klaas, do you think LE would be aware that DeDe may have been posting on GLP? 

I would sure hope LE knows.  Don't you think LE would be monitoring her?
If they have borrowed phones, throw away phones NO, remember him saying in the beginning how is IP jumped around etc.  I don't know what the H*** is going on but these people make me SICK!!!!
I have been working all night to set up a list of to date what is known about Terri, feel free to share (please give credit) it took me a LONG time to do this. 
AND if I am missing anything please let me know, should I add this GLP thing?  Do we know if he comes here?
http://www.truecrimeinthe21stcentury.com/2010/08/03/terri-horman/ (http://www.truecrimeinthe21stcentury.com/2010/08/03/terri-horman/)


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: d in texas on August 03, 2010, 11:54:46 PM
I challenge Jonesr.

To prove he is indeed related to Dede, maybe by contacting this BB moderator and having his information verified, or by telling us something we don't know, something we can't figure out by research online or by calling local LE and asking.

Tell us what's next for Dede. Why didn't she testify during the GJ, and why was she given a date for next week? Is the GJ for the MFH, or for Kyron's disappearance?

:)


::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyCheer4::  Great suggestion love it, maybe you could point him directly to a mod.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: cw618 on August 03, 2010, 11:55:47 PM
an AC at glp got me, the AC didnt link back
i never listed those addy there,i checked the routes, see the
SM post link
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 1054103
 United States
8/3/2010 11:42 PM
Report abusive post Re: MY COUSIN HAS JUST BEEN IMPLICATED IN THE KYRON HORMAN CASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Quote


Will catch up in the morning with your comments! Good nite all it is 11:10pm here.. sorry, I am not an all nighter as the rest of the "chatters so confess they have a job!"
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1050582


Okay, I found another one. Is this it? This was posted at Scared Monkey forum, which was a screenshot from GLP. Don't know if this helps?

11536 NW Skyline Blvd Portland, OR 97231 school
Pittock Bird Sanctuary, OR, which is in forest park
5415 SW Beaverton-Hillsdale Hwy Portland, OR 97221 Albertsons
22075 NW Imbrie Dr Hillsboro, OR 97124 Sunset Fred Meyer
1265 NW Waterhouse Ave Beaverton, OR 97006 gym
NW Germantown Rd, Portland, just in case dede was involved
------------------------------------
post that got me to thinking on this
Mercy
User ID: 1017853
United States
7/23/2010 2:17 PM
 http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1141412/pg124

from this post
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8338.msg1198015#msg1198015


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Lucky7 on August 04, 2010, 12:04:24 AM
"scooby" joined GLP yesterday and has posted 55 posts.

She went back and edited many of her posts.
why would she edit her posts? hhmmm is she hiding something? wierd.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Hiding Monkey on August 04, 2010, 12:12:36 AM
Hi all!  Anyone listening to the scanner tonight?


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Hiding Monkey on August 04, 2010, 12:16:13 AM
Hey Klaas.  Want to email you but don't have your email handy.....TIA


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: klaasend on August 04, 2010, 12:18:04 AM
Hey Klaas.  Want to email you but don't have your email handy.....TIA

smklaas@hotmail.com


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: klaasend on August 04, 2010, 12:18:26 AM
Hi all!  Anyone listening to the scanner tonight?

Should we be?  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: klaasend on August 04, 2010, 12:18:55 AM
Scanner
http://www.radioreference.com/apps/audio/?action=cwp&ctid=2230


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Hiding Monkey on August 04, 2010, 12:21:55 AM
Hi all!  Anyone listening to the scanner tonight?

Should we be?  ::MonkeyCool::

Sent you an email.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: klaasend on August 04, 2010, 12:23:08 AM
Hi all!  Anyone listening to the scanner tonight?

Should we be?  ::MonkeyCool::

Sent you an email.

To smklaas@hotmail.com ?  Haven't gotten it yet.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: klaasend on August 04, 2010, 12:26:38 AM
Hiding Monkey - still nothing.  Sure you aren't misspelling? 


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Hiding Monkey on August 04, 2010, 12:26:55 AM
Just sent you another one!


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: klaasend on August 04, 2010, 12:28:45 AM
Just sent you another one!

Nope


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: justwondering on August 04, 2010, 12:31:31 AM

You may want to check your spam folder....


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: klaasend on August 04, 2010, 12:31:57 AM
Still nothing


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: klaasend on August 04, 2010, 12:33:14 AM

I ALWAYS check my spam/junk folder.  Usually the problem is in the spelling.  My guess is instead of smklaas@hotmail.com she's typing smklass@hotmail.com (which would be incorrect)  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Hiding Monkey on August 04, 2010, 12:39:33 AM
Glad you got it finally!

I definately heard Kyron Horman's name mentioned on the scanner by the dispatcher.

I'll continue listening...


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: klaasend on August 04, 2010, 12:40:40 AM
Hiding Monkey - Got it, did you get mine?



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: klaasend on August 04, 2010, 12:40:58 AM
Scanner
http://www.radioreference.com/apps/audio/?action=cwp&ctid=2230


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: klaasend on August 04, 2010, 12:43:16 AM
Jonesr(OP)
User ID: 1056367
United States
8/4/2010 12:35 AM

Ok, listen, I let the cat out of the bag, I like to keep it open, it took a while to figure it out , no cover up here, coward? Hardly.
Dede let me know she wasn't involved, she would not lie to me.
You guys are here, you wanted to hear from her, I got her.
She said alot, an interview, sorry for the cryptic shit, was not a game.
Now that everyone had a chance to hear from her go over it again.
What was she telling us? Where was she showing us, she was not saying to stop looking, or talking. Use your heads. Just relax. You wanted insite you got it. Your welcome.
Quit being rude to me please, I want her to say her peace too.
What would have happened if I would have said oh hi dede what ya gotta say? Really?
As winterborn I got a rant bumped. Read it. No lies
as winter born is got a question. Read it
I had no I dea yet when the name scooby was given.
I got out of it a concern for me, and a gentle push in a way to feel abuot her involvement. I'm not covering for shit.
This was her sayn some thing in public to us, she talked to claycat, you guys keepn secerets on you email? Stupid.
I'm giong to read the posts now and try to make some sence of them some more , she is not responsible for kyron

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1141412/pg125


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Tracygirl on August 04, 2010, 12:44:04 AM
What is the name of the cousin, do we know? Also, is dede short for something?


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Hiding Monkey on August 04, 2010, 12:45:02 AM
Hiding Monkey - Got it, did you get mine?


Yeah and I wrote you back!  I'd clicked on your email and the Windows Mailbox came on.  That's where I'd written the 1st 2 messages that didn't go through.  Windows mailbox had your address already prefilled. Wierd you didn't get them.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Claycat on August 04, 2010, 12:52:40 AM
What does he mean "she talked to claycat"?


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Tracygirl on August 04, 2010, 12:52:51 AM
Jonesr(OP)
User ID: 1056367
United States
8/4/2010 12:35 AM

Ok, listen, I let the cat out of the bag, I like to keep it open, it took a while to figure it out , no cover up here, coward? Hardly.
Dede let me know she wasn't involved, she would not lie to me.
You guys are here, you wanted to hear from her, I got her.
She said alot, an interview, sorry for the cryptic shit, was not a game.
Now that everyone had a chance to hear from her go over it again.
What was she telling us? Where was she showing us, she was not saying to stop looking, or talking. Use your heads. Just relax. You wanted insite you got it. Your welcome.
Quit being rude to me please, I want her to say her peace too.
What would have happened if I would have said oh hi dede what ya gotta say? Really?
As winterborn I got a rant bumped. Read it. No lies
as winter born is got a question. Read it
I had no I dea yet when the name scooby was given.
I got out of it a concern for me, and a gentle push in a way to feel abuot her involvement. I'm not covering for shit.
This was her sayn some thing in public to us, she talked to claycat, you guys keepn secerets on you email? Stupid.
I'm giong to read the posts now and try to make some sence of them some more , she is not responsible for kyron

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1141412/pg125

I think this man is a bit off and may have a mental disorder. Or perhaps he is talking in code to whoever.  jmo


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Tracygirl on August 04, 2010, 12:54:05 AM
What does he mean "she talked to claycat"?

lol I bet that made you shiver.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Lucky7 on August 04, 2010, 12:54:37 AM
What is the name of the cousin, do we know? Also, is dede short for something?
Tommy Jones

dede spicher (correct spelling)
rick spicher is her brother


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: klaasend on August 04, 2010, 12:54:56 AM
What is the name of the cousin, do we know? Also, is dede short for something?

The cousin posting over at GLP forum is Tom Jones. I think I've seen DeDe also listed as Dolores but I think she always goes by DeDe or Deedle.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Tracygirl on August 04, 2010, 12:56:00 AM
What is the name of the cousin, do we know? Also, is dede short for something?

The cousin posting over at GLP forum is Tom Jones. I think I've seen DeDe also listed as Dolores but I think she always goes by DeDe or Deedle.

Thanks! Tom Jones? Does he live in Portland?


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Claycat on August 04, 2010, 12:57:02 AM
What does he mean "she talked to claycat"?

lol I bet that made you shiver.

Well, I've been half-dozing in front of my computer.  That really woke me up!  LOL


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: klaasend on August 04, 2010, 12:58:15 AM
What is the name of the cousin, do we know? Also, is dede short for something?

The cousin posting over at GLP forum is Tom Jones. I think I've seen DeDe also listed as Dolores but I think she always goes by DeDe or Deedle.

Thanks! Tom Jones? Does he live in Portland?

He claims to live in Portland now, yes.  He was born in Klamath Falls:

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000437052671&ref=ts (http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000437052671&ref=ts)


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: klaasend on August 04, 2010, 01:01:40 AM
FWIW - I don't think cousin Tom is a bad guy I think he just feels like he is in the middle of this because of DeDe.  He believes in DeDe and he believes she is talking.  He doesn't believe DeDe did anything to harm Kyron. 


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: nicubird on August 04, 2010, 01:02:01 AM
What is the name of the cousin, do we know? Also, is dede short for something?

The cousin posting over at GLP forum is Tom Jones. I think I've seen DeDe also listed as Dolores but I think she always goes by DeDe or Deedle.

Thanks! Tom Jones? Does he live in Portland?

He claims to live in Portland now, yes.  He was born in Klamath Falls:

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000437052671&ref=ts (http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000437052671&ref=ts)

I think that is his dad's FB. Here is his:

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1702249525&ref=sgm


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: klaasend on August 04, 2010, 01:03:52 AM
What is the name of the cousin, do we know? Also, is dede short for something?

The cousin posting over at GLP forum is Tom Jones. I think I've seen DeDe also listed as Dolores but I think she always goes by DeDe or Deedle.

Thanks! Tom Jones? Does he live in Portland?

He claims to live in Portland now, yes.  He was born in Klamath Falls:

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000437052671&ref=ts (http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000437052671&ref=ts)

I think that is his dad's FB. Here is his:

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1702249525&ref=sgm

You're right, my link is likely his dad.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Claycat on August 04, 2010, 01:04:06 AM
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000437052671&ref=ts#!/profile.php?id=100001023214502&ref=sgm 

???


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: klaasend on August 04, 2010, 01:06:35 AM
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000437052671&ref=ts#!/profile.php?id=100001023214502&ref=sgm 

???

I don't think so Claycat, I've never seen her use DeeDee and why would she use Jones?  Her name was never Jones it was always Spicher.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Claycat on August 04, 2010, 01:07:23 AM
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000437052671&ref=ts#!/profile.php?id=100001023214502&ref=sgm 

???

I'm sorry.  That was supposed to be a link for a DeeDee Jones on his friend list.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Tracygirl on August 04, 2010, 01:12:52 AM
What is the name of the cousin, do we know? Also, is dede short for something?

The cousin posting over at GLP forum is Tom Jones. I think I've seen DeDe also listed as Dolores but I think she always goes by DeDe or Deedle.

Thanks! Tom Jones? Does he live in Portland?

He claims to live in Portland now, yes.  He was born in Klamath Falls:

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000437052671&ref=ts (http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000437052671&ref=ts)

 there are many Tom Jones living in Oregon. I found one that has an address in Klamath Falls. Not 100% sure if it is him. He is about 64ish so it fits. If so, there is no criminal record (that is showing anyway.)


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: d in texas on August 04, 2010, 01:13:06 AM
This page is too much and needs to be removed....

I want to punch Terri Horman right in the face The page supporting Terri Horman recently flagged and deleted a post that simply said "http://www.bringkyronhome.org/" . I wonder if this is a page to support Terri Horman's innocence or a page for child abusers and murderers to gather. It seems they (and by they, I mean her) are more interested in being a murderous cult, than finding Kyron. Why would they delete that post? It makes me sick!
http://www.facebook.com/?ref=logo#!/pages/I-want-to-punch-Terri-Horman-right-in-the-face/114746761905961?ref=ts (http://www.facebook.com/?ref=logo#!/pages/I-want-to-punch-Terri-Horman-right-in-the-face/114746761905961?ref=ts)


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Claycat on August 04, 2010, 01:15:42 AM
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000437052671&ref=ts#!/profile.php?id=100001023214502&ref=sgm 

???

I don't think so Claycat, I've never seen her use DeeDee and why would she use Jones?  Her name was never Jones it was always Spicher.

Okay!  I guess not.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Tracygirl on August 04, 2010, 01:16:18 AM
What is the name of the cousin, do we know? Also, is dede short for something?

The cousin posting over at GLP forum is Tom Jones. I think I've seen DeDe also listed as Dolores but I think she always goes by DeDe or Deedle.

Thanks! Tom Jones? Does he live in Portland?

He claims to live in Portland now, yes.  He was born in Klamath Falls:

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000437052671&ref=ts (http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000437052671&ref=ts)

I think that is his dad's FB. Here is his:

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1702249525&ref=sgm

Ohhhh ok, this one I will just email Klaas over.



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: klaasend on August 04, 2010, 01:20:03 AM
FWIW - I don't think cousin Tom is a bad guy I think he just feels like he is in the middle of this because of DeDe.  He believes in DeDe and he believes she is talking.  He doesn't believe DeDe did anything to harm Kyron. 


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Hiding Monkey on August 04, 2010, 01:36:52 AM
 ::MonkeySlide::

Stay up another 30 minutes Monkeys!  This should be interesting:

http://twitter.com/JoelIwanagaKOIN

I believe it will be on here:  http://www.koinlocal6.com/news/default.aspx


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: klaasend on August 04, 2010, 01:38:45 AM
::MonkeySlide::

Stay up another 30 minutes Monkeys!  This should be interesting:

http://twitter.com/JoelIwanagaKOIN

I believe it will be on here:  http://www.koinlocal6.com/news/default.aspx

Thanks!


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: d in texas on August 04, 2010, 01:43:06 AM
do you know where the live stream is? thanks, tired was going to bed but sounds too good not to wait.....


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: klaasend on August 04, 2010, 01:43:23 AM
::MonkeySlide::

Stay up another 30 minutes Monkeys!  This should be interesting:

http://twitter.com/JoelIwanagaKOIN

I believe it will be on here:  http://www.koinlocal6.com/news/default.aspx

Thanks!

http://twitter.com/JoelIwanagaKOIN

# HUNCHES ARE CORRECT @markrosskptv @pdxfox12EP @colbyreade     about 1 hour ago  via web

is back in the newsroom after asking Terri Horman questions face to face (and NOT in the parking garage of her attorney!) Her response at 11 about 3 hours ago via web

http://twitter.com/markrosskptv

@JoelIwanagaKOIN I bet she had lots of nada to say, yeah?


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: klaasend on August 04, 2010, 01:44:15 AM
do you know where the live stream is? thanks, tired was going to bed but sounds too good not to wait.....

I can't stay up for it but I suspect it won't be much based upon the tweets I just posted.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Hiding Monkey on August 04, 2010, 01:47:19 AM
::MonkeySlide::

Stay up another 30 minutes Monkeys!  This should be interesting:

http://twitter.com/JoelIwanagaKOIN

I believe it will be on here:  http://www.koinlocal6.com/news/default.aspx

Thanks!
You're welcome.  Wonder if Terri answers any of his questions?  By the way..What is Michael Cook's occupation-do you know?


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: klaasend on August 04, 2010, 01:49:01 AM
::MonkeySlide::

Stay up another 30 minutes Monkeys!  This should be interesting:

http://twitter.com/JoelIwanagaKOIN

I believe it will be on here:  http://www.koinlocal6.com/news/default.aspx

Thanks!
You're welcome.  Wonder if Terri answers any of his questions?  By the way..What is Michael Cook's occupation-do you know?

Sorry, I don't remember what his occupation is.  Maybe someone else will.

Goodnight all!  Here's hoping tomorrow is the day Kyron comes home!


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Hiding Monkey on August 04, 2010, 01:49:51 AM
do you know where the live stream is? thanks, tired was going to bed but sounds too good not to wait.....

I can't stay up for it but I suspect it won't be much based upon the tweets I just posted.
d-I'm not sure but I'll be switching between news and video.  Will let you know!


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Hiding Monkey on August 04, 2010, 01:52:44 AM
::MonkeySlide::

Stay up another 30 minutes Monkeys!  This should be interesting:

http://twitter.com/JoelIwanagaKOIN

I believe it will be on here:  http://www.koinlocal6.com/news/default.aspx

Thanks!
You're welcome.  Wonder if Terri answers any of his questions?  By the way..What is Michael Cook's occupation-do you know?

Sorry, I don't remember what his occupation is.  Maybe someone else will.

Goodnight all!  Here's hoping tomorrow is the day Kyron comes home!
Night Klaas!  Thanks for your patience!  Tomorrow is only minutes away!  By the way-the news said he is a landscaper-I didn't remember that.  Too many landscapers to remember !


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: marycat on August 04, 2010, 01:53:05 AM
What is the name of the cousin, do we know? Also, is dede short for something?

The cousin posting over at GLP forum is Tom Jones. I think I've seen DeDe also listed as Dolores but I think she always goes by DeDe or Deedle.

Thanks! Tom Jones? Does he live in Portland?

He claims to live in Portland now, yes.  He was born in Klamath Falls:

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000437052671&ref=ts (http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000437052671&ref=ts)

Is this really the guy or could it be his son who has the same name? All of this Tom Jone's posts on FB have words spelled correctly. LOL  Besides, I thought the cousin who was posting was younger and still worked. It seems like I read he was younger than Dede - between her and her brother in age? And he even gave out where he worked as a way to authenticate himself. It was one of his first posts about the case on that Godsomethig website. I didn't bookmark it. I'll try to find it.

IMO


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: marycat on August 04, 2010, 02:03:04 AM

[/quote]

He claims to live in Portland now, yes.  He was born in Klamath Falls:

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000437052671&ref=ts (http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000437052671&ref=ts)
[/quote]

Is this really the guy or could it be his son who has the same name? All of this Tom Jone's posts on FB have words spelled correctly. LOL  Besides, I thought the cousin who was posting was younger and still worked. It seems like I read he was younger than Dede - between her and her brother in age? And he even gave out where he worked as a way to authenticate himself. It was one of his first posts about the case on that Godsomethig website. I didn't bookmark it. I'll try to find it.

IMO
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Sorry. I was behind and I see quicker posters than I already asked and answered. Going back to reading!


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Tracygirl on August 04, 2010, 02:10:09 AM
Any news yet hidingmonkey? I am going to hop in the shower and check in afterwards.



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Hiding Monkey on August 04, 2010, 02:18:02 AM
Any news yet hidingmonkey? I am going to hop in the shower and check in afterwards.


No I haven't found anything on there website?  Wondering if its just local live streaming?  I'll keep checking and get back with you!


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Hiding Monkey on August 04, 2010, 02:34:34 AM
D-are you out of the shower yet?  I wasn't able to pull up anything on KOIN news.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

I imagine we'll see it on the news later today.  I've got to sign off now and get some zzz's!  Have a good night!


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Tracygirl on August 04, 2010, 02:36:49 AM
D-are you out of the shower yet?  I wasn't able to pull up anything on KOIN news.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

I imagine we'll see it on the news later today.  I've got to sign off now and get some zzz's!  Have a good night!

Just checking in. I don't see anything either on that site. Well prayers that 8/04/10 will be the day that little man Kyron comes home.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: pdh3 on August 04, 2010, 03:21:47 AM
Looks like I'm the only one, but I think the picture of Terri with the three kids is very nice, think all four of them look good. Guess beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

Looks like that photo was taken about a year ago.  All the kids look great and Terri for the most part looks good but her eyes in that photo give me the creeps.  She scares me in that photo. 
Compared to what she looks like now  ::MonkeyEek::  Whatever happened in the months leading up to Kyron's disappearance sure took a toll on her looks.


bbm
Drinking in secret....the stress of living a lie and hiding her true self.
We know none of that, these are just assumptions on your part.


Not an assumption. We do know a few things.
I doubt she was telling anyone besides the LS that she was capable of  the MFH plot. And Kaine and Desiree have said that friends came forward about the missing alcohol. Then there was all the sexting...not exactly the image she was portraying around Kyron's school.
It is stressful living a lie, and she was being dishonest about a lot of things. Most people are very relieved when they have been living a lie, and the truth finally comes out.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: pdh3 on August 04, 2010, 04:02:15 AM

<snipped more to keep quote and link>

Dunno mediamama.  Sounds to me more like the next episode in their soap opera, than it does anything having to do with a grieving father trying to find his missing son.  The focus he supposedly has. 

 

Wyke ... do I detect a little skeptism.

Don't despair ... I suspect that stuff is about to happen ... stuff that implies answers have been forthcoming regarding the disappearance of this little boy.

 ::MonkeyAngel::

Janet



A little and then some, Janet.  As I've had the more the man speaks and acts.  Dunno that it has a dang thing to do with Kyron gone missing, and yet... am on board with all who want to know more about the family dynamics in this case.  Wouldn't be at all surprised if we were to find it all entwined down the road.  With Terri at the one end knowing what happened to Kyron, perhaps more.. with the rest of the family at the other end, knowing about the family issues but likely nothing about what Terri may have done with Kyron.  If that makes sense.  I just think at times that Kaine, while truly the grieving father at times, and deserving of that, tends to over-do the sympathy card to the public, while at the same time wants to get the focus back on Kyron, while he/family are the ones taking it off Kyron in the first place.   IMO MOO and all that. 
 



Well now....that's interesting. I seem to remember posters criticizing Kaine for " hiding"  his story with Terri. Posters claiming he didn't want to talk about it.Posters seemed to want all the juicy details, and so did the media. And I seem to remember it was DESIREE who brought it up to answer the question that posters wanted to know....when did Terri come into Kyron's life? So now that these questions were asked by the media....because the public wanted to know...and the questions were answered by both of Kyron's parents, somehow this poor guy is getting blamed for that too.
Kaine asked that the focus stay on Kyron, but somehow that part gets left out.
Wonder why that happens?
I know some posters think Kaine controls the world, but he surely has no control over people who like to gossip and call it searching for a missing child.





Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: pdh3 on August 04, 2010, 04:07:22 AM
Looks like I'm the only one, but I think the picture of Terri with the three kids is very nice, think all four of them look good. Guess beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

Looks like that photo was taken about a year ago.  All the kids look great and Terri for the most part looks good but her eyes in that photo give me the creeps.  She scares me in that photo. 
Compared to what she looks like now  ::MonkeyEek::  Whatever happened in the months leading up to Kyron's disappearance sure took a toll on her looks.


bbm
Drinking in secret....the stress of living a lie and hiding her true self.
We know none of that, these are just assumptions on your part.

Ice cream can put weight on you.  She may have indulged in goodies with the kids.  The kids eat at fast food restaurants?
Fast food puts weight on you, (it is so easy to pack on the pounds) just finding a coffee shop with chocolate crossiants, I would put ten pounds on me.

I do not eat fast food or ice cream now, I am back to my weight when I was in H.S.

Perhaps SM binges, on everything!  ::monkeywine2::



She was a gym rat. Even with overeating occasionally, she should've been able to maintain her weight. Booze is a different story.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: bluwaters on August 04, 2010, 04:17:58 AM
What does he mean "she talked to claycat"?

lol I bet that made you shiver.

Well, I've been half-dozing in front of my computer.  That really woke me up!  LOL
Hello all and especially Claycat -
Maybe something is going over my head... ::MonkeyEek::
I mostly lurk these days, but there is a Claycat registered at GLP.
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/members/details.php?member=11446

This isn't you Claycat?
Look at this exchange:

[quote:Tails]
wow, one thing i do not do is go from one forum to another copying and pasting things or making screen shots... so, i now know scared monkeys is one of those site
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8338.msg1198088#new
[/quote]

[quote:Claycat]
We happen to be very interested in Kyron being found.
[/quote]

It's page 123 -
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1141412/pg123

OK - If y'all know what this is about, then carry on.
Back to lurk I go...


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Claycat on August 04, 2010, 08:11:14 AM
Hi bluwaters!  Yes!  That is me, over at GLP.  You'll find me at WS, rarely, and HFTM, occasionally, too!  I am a denizen of the internet.  Too much so!  :)

However, I don't know what Jonesr was saying about DeDe talking to me.  Then he said something about email?  I guess it's just more game playing.   ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Itaryl Moosee on August 04, 2010, 08:53:53 AM
What is the name of the cousin, do we know? Also, is dede short for something?

The cousin posting over at GLP forum is Tom Jones. I think I've seen DeDe also listed as Dolores but I think she always goes by DeDe or Deedle.

Thanks! Tom Jones? Does he live in Portland?

He claims to live in Portland now, yes.  He was born in Klamath Falls:

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000437052671&ref=ts (http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000437052671&ref=ts)

 there are many Tom Jones living in Oregon. I found one that has an address in Klamath Falls. Not 100% sure if it is him. He is about 64ish so it fits. If so, there is no criminal record (that is showing anyway.)

Does he have a deep tan, wear leather pants, and each morning sticks his big head out of his window and screams "DELILAH"?

 ::piggy::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: klaasend on August 04, 2010, 09:00:47 AM
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Dede mentioned something to claycat. About a book and abridge, anyideas what that was about? She also pointed out that the people in the bishop road area should really think of what they saw if even the smallest thing on June 4. anything, try real hard again. Help get Kyron back. Look your property over. Use a rake. Just look. Teri we are going to tear the world apart. We are going to find out sooner or later. Make it sooner. Give your family peace. I've learned how to bug people here. We are going to start harassing you now.

FWIW - I think he's saying that Scooby replied to Claycat at GLP

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1141412/pg128


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: klaasend on August 04, 2010, 09:02:05 AM
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Teri horman;
dede has huge balls, she has given everything on you she had, they took all the computer and phone evidence, the GJ is on it, Dede has said so here. She got you a phone, it's all on it. Your chance at a softre sentence is flying right past you. Take the offers.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: klaasend on August 04, 2010, 09:03:10 AM
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A rake, the police were using dogs on bishop road, not calling out loud, the police want to pressure Teri you haters. Don't let the case go cold, if you want to help Kyron start posting pleas everywhere, or you suck.
This case has a chance of going cold, I spent a long time talking with a reporter he mentioned they want to pressure Teri, quit flabberin and help get Kyron. Teri and family need the heat turned up. Do it, make a difference.

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1141412/pg128


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: klaasend on August 04, 2010, 09:04:59 AM
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Thanks , the people who live there are going to have to do it,
two months of over growth in Portland covers alot. You saw how the contact was made, you all did. This is a public place, the cryptic talk was pretty apparent, if you could not tell it was her than your not a good sluther.

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1141412/pg129


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: New Monkey on August 04, 2010, 09:07:02 AM
All I can say is if DDS is posting on GLP, then her 157 IQ isn't doing her much good.   ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: klaasend on August 04, 2010, 09:07:27 AM
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What Dede did was come to my rescue, she called me home.
She asked me to stop fighting for her now. She told me it was going to be better. You heard her. Read it.
She showed me articles that were the real story, the truth.
No one wanted to hear it, it didn't matter.
They wanted to hear from her, she spoke. It didn't matter.
She dropped hints to the public, it didn't matter.
She told me bout the phone, right here. It didn't matter.
You dorks are just a bunch of fools. It doesn't matter
you dipshits are four people, you don't matter.
None of this matters.
Post for Kyron.
Make a plea to Teri
or just shut the f*** up.
Tom Jones, Dede Spichers cousin

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1141412/pg130


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
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Dede mentioned something to claycat. About a book and abridge, anyideas what that was about? She also pointed out that the people in the bishop road area should really think of what they saw if even the smallest thing on June 4. anything, try real hard again. Help get Kyron back. Look your property over. Use a rake. Just look. Teri we are going to tear the world apart. We are going to find out sooner or later. Make it sooner. Give your family peace. I've learned how to bug people here. We are going to start harassing you now.

FWIW - I think he's saying that Scooby replied to Claycat at GLP

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1141412/pg128

Dang!  I wish I had seen her post.  I don't remember anything like that.  I need to go back and look. 


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Blonde on August 04, 2010, 09:20:30 AM
I read that Terri and Kaine were married April 15, 2007, and that Kiara was born December 8, 2008.  Are those dates correct?  Was Terri pregnant when they married?  Could that explain the non-traditional wedding in Hawaii?  Was an unintended pregnancy the trigger for getting married, after having lived together for a few years? 

If I am wrong about the dates, please someone in the know, post the correct info and accept my apologies.  Has it been discussed whether or not Terri was pregnant when she married Kaine, or whether Kiara was born prematurely (early)?  If it has been, and I missed it, my apologies for bringing it up.

My guess is the unconventional wedding is because this was her third marriage.  How many times can you wear white? 
Good point.

I am on my 3rd marriage. I wore a white dress with yellow flowers. It took me 3 times to get it right.
My bother married a woman and it was her 3rd marriage, she and my brother were married for over 26 years and she took care of him for 2 full years before he died of cancer.
Being married more then once is not a crime and it is not an indication of bad behavior or a bad person.

I'm on my 3rd marriage also, we got married in the FL Keys .
I was in a very informal  sun dress, with flowers in my hair it was beautiful.



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: klaasend on August 04, 2010, 09:32:44 AM
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My arrogance, look at all the people who stayed here after I signed off.
How were they talking? Were they organizing a search party, how bout posting from the field? How boug taking a drive? Remmber them.
They are all for Kyron, it's so obvious.
Hate, resentment for anyone who will stand up to something and tell them the truth. There were no lies, they are confusing reality with this place, no life, faith, or character.
Just a bunch of spineless cowards.
I ran them off in one page.
If I was in trouble, they would just call me and say quit.
Talk about Kyron.
You won't , you just want to bash and gossip.
Prove me wrong.
This thread will die here now, I'm going to keep watching.

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1141412/pg130


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: New Monkey on August 04, 2010, 09:35:00 AM
Pardon me for saying so, but this guy seems a bit off his rocker.  I can't understand a thing he is saying.  It's like he's doped up or something. . . or is it just me?   ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on August 04, 2010, 09:39:29 AM
Pardon me for saying so, but this guy seems a bit off his rocker.  I can't understand a thing he is saying.  It's like he's doped up or something. . . or is it just me?   ::MonkeyEek::
You are not alone  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: AZSunny on August 04, 2010, 09:39:33 AM
I read that Terri and Kaine were married April 15, 2007, and that Kiara was born December 8, 2008.  Are those dates correct?  Was Terri pregnant when they married?  Could that explain the non-traditional wedding in Hawaii?  Was an unintended pregnancy the trigger for getting married, after having lived together for a few years? 

If I am wrong about the dates, please someone in the know, post the correct info and accept my apologies.  Has it been discussed whether or not Terri was pregnant when she married Kaine, or whether Kiara was born prematurely (early)?  If it has been, and I missed it, my apologies for bringing it up.

My guess is the unconventional wedding is because this was her third marriage.  How many times can you wear white? 
Good point.

I am on my 3rd marriage. I wore a white dress with yellow flowers. It took me 3 times to get it right.
My bother married a woman and it was her 3rd marriage, she and my brother were married for over 26 years and she took care of him for 2 full years before he died of cancer.
Being married more then once is not a crime and it is not an indication of bad behavior or a bad person.

I'm on my 3rd marriage also, we got married in the FL Keys .
I was in a very informal  sun dress, with flowers in my hair it was beautiful.



That is what I meant by my statement.  Usually after the first wedding, you are going a bit more casual.  I have married twice.  My first wedding was full formal, long gown, etc.  My second wedding was large, but at home, and I wore a silver cocktail dress.  I can see a much more casual wedding and environment for a third wedding.  But, as for me, now that I am widowed, I am done!  I am too old and I don't have the patience to break in another husband! ::MonkeyJnBox::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Itaryl Moosee on August 04, 2010, 09:42:53 AM
Pardon me for saying so, but this guy seems a bit off his rocker.  I can't understand a thing he is saying.  It's like he's doped up or something. . . or is it just me?   ::MonkeyEek::

Nope, not just you.

What surprises me a little is how he can spell big words into long coherent sentences in some posts, such as: "Hate, resentment for anyone who will stand up to something and tell them the truth. There were no lies, they are confusing reality with this place, no life, faith, or character.
Just a bunch of spineless cowards"
and cannot spell words like "about" and jots five-words sentences like an elementary school child.

Agreed, he's not "all there"... a troll.

T'is MOO.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: New Monkey on August 04, 2010, 09:50:36 AM
Pardon me for saying so, but this guy seems a bit off his rocker.  I can't understand a thing he is saying.  It's like he's doped up or something. . . or is it just me?   ::MonkeyEek::

Nope, not just you.

What surprises me a little is how he can spell big words into long coherent sentences in some posts, such as: "Hate, resentment for anyone who will stand up to something and tell them the truth. There were no lies, they are confusing reality with this place, no life, faith, or character.
Just a bunch of spineless cowards"
and cannot spell words like "about" and jots five-words sentences like an elementary school child.

Agreed, he's not "all there"... a troll.

T'is MOO.
I found him credible because he knew about the DDS going to the GJ before she did.  He has connections somewhere. . . It's like he's got some kind of habit - where at times he's coherent and other times it's like he's so stoned I just can't follow.  lol


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Claycat on August 04, 2010, 10:02:36 AM
Well, New Monkey, I noticed on his FB page that one of his favorite movies was Dazed and Confused!  LOL


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: sassifrass on August 04, 2010, 10:07:13 AM
Klaas, do you think LE would be aware that DeDe may have been posting on GLP? 

I would sure hope LE knows.  Don't you think LE would be monitoring her?

I would certainly think that if LE thinks she has something to do with the case that they'd be monitoring her.

I would also think that her attorney would be none too pleased that she's posting on an internet forum about the case.

I don't think this little game they are playing is cute at all.

Where is Kyron?!

I don't think that Jonesr and Scooby are in any way related to the Kyron Horman case. I think they are two very sorry individuals (or maybe one with two usernames) who have injected themselves into the case because they pathetically seek the attention they desperately need and can't get anywhere else.

Before believing anything they say, I would like to have proof that they are who they say they are. But, just claiming that they are cousins, or whatever, of a person doesn't mean they are.

I doubt that Dede be playing games with people like this. She has to know that posts made online are EASILY traceable back to her, and it wouldn't look good on her to be online playing riddles with people when she has been implicated in the case.

IMO.



I totally, 100% agree


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Claycat on August 04, 2010, 10:15:27 AM
From GLP:


Well said...absolutely keep record of those because once she sees your post she'll try and be all over you...but, I have your back!!! Have broom will travel :)
 Quoting: WickedWitchOfThePNW


Ahhhhh...well, she would be tangling with one who wears a research crown and carries a CYA scepter.

All archived even if she deletes.

To add to your traveling broom, I personally have flying monkeys, and I'm not afraid to use them. We would make quite the pair. ;)


Is this someone here?  If so, does this mean you have scooby's posts?  Just wondering...


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Patricia Mocha Latte on August 04, 2010, 10:27:15 AM
Pardon me for saying so, but this guy seems a bit off his rocker.  I can't understand a thing he is saying.  It's like he's doped up or something. . . or is it just me?   ::MonkeyEek::

Nope, not just you.

What surprises me a little is how he can spell big words into long coherent sentences in some posts, such as: "Hate, resentment for anyone who will stand up to something and tell them the truth. There were no lies, they are confusing reality with this place, no life, faith, or character.
Just a bunch of spineless cowards"
and cannot spell words like "about" and jots five-words sentences like an elementary school child.

Agreed, he's not "all there"... a troll.

T'is MOO.
I found him credible because he knew about the DDS going to the GJ before she did.  He has connections somewhere. . . It's like he's got some kind of habit - where at times he's coherent and other times it's like he's so stoned I just can't follow.  lol

I said I was backing off from posting and maybe I spoke to soon because now I have a question. What is DDS?

The part that is bolded is exactly why I do not find that poster credible. He is a family member. None of the family members are going to receive any special priveledges throughout the investigation and having insider knowledge into the investigation would be special priveledge.
It doesn't happen that way, usually,  yet the poster implies that it is indeed happening like that imvho.
It provokes the notion that there is reasonable doubt of credibility, intentionally, imvho.

Think about it...
Why would a family member throw out alleged clues in an internet forum allegedly to solve the case and perhaps by doing so create a situation where as De De's own testimony would become "un-credible" in a court of law?

Given the allegations and the alleged truthfulness of the poster and allegedly De De herself, the property, owners should ask for LE to come and do property searches but for certain not to do the searches themselves right? If the property owners did the searches themselves they might possibly contaminate a crime scene in some way? That would tie up more LE resources. The allegations are out there now. So far, as we know, one of the alleged reports in the area of Bishop road was already de-bunked per a rep from the MCSO office.

It does appear that the poster may have inside sources or may have done some serious research on their own into the family background at least.

If it is a fraud, which is obviously possible, then my next question is, Why?
Why would someone do something like that?

This is what I just found posted regarding the website forum:

Godlike Productions - Conspiracy Forum
Godlike Productions is a Conspiracy Forum. ... Godlike Productions Banner ..... You should not assume that this site is error-free or that it will be suitable ... We do not discriminate against the mentally ill! Fair Use Notice: ... contact information has been registered with the United States Copyright Office. ...

www.godlikeproductions.com/ - 1 hour ago -

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The poster chose that particular forum to make such allegations?
Rather convenient if you ask me.

The last post noted here by Klaas from that poster at that site spoke volumes to me.

imvho The poster is creating confusion, disdain and deflection.
It is not random imo. It seems both familiar and intentional.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: ospainter on August 04, 2010, 10:27:16 AM
Good Morning

 anitakissee-twitter
 
Link to latest #KyronHorman w/ cell phone revelation: http://www.katu.com/home/video/99919574.html?video=YHI&t=a about 7 hours ago via web


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Patricia Mocha Latte on August 04, 2010, 10:28:54 AM
OOPS! This part:  "He is a family member."
Should read "He is a family member?"


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on August 04, 2010, 10:29:49 AM
Patricia the DDS, I'm guessing is DeDe Spicer, or however you spell her last name.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: bluwaters on August 04, 2010, 10:31:53 AM
Hi bluwaters!  Yes!  That is me, over at GLP.  You'll find me at WS, rarely, and HFTM, occasionally, too!  I am a denizen of the internet.  Too much so!  :)

However, I don't know what Jonesr was saying about DeDe talking to me.  Then he said something about email?  I guess it's just more game playing.   ::MonkeyEek::

Oh, OK!
I was worried and things are always more worrisome in the middle of the night, ya know?
The game playing was so creepy and I would have freaked if my nic had come up in the middle of it.
Whew...
glad it's all fine.
It looks as if the monkeys have been on top of this as usual and have screen caps on scooby's posts...
I hang out on line way too much myself.  ::MonkeyCool::

Where is Kyron?


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Patricia Mocha Latte on August 04, 2010, 10:35:10 AM
Patricia the DDS, I'm guessing is DeDe Spicer, or however you spell her last name.

Thank you NRCG. That would make sense.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on August 04, 2010, 10:35:55 AM
Patricia the DDS, I'm guessing is DeDe Spicer, or however you spell her last name.

Thank you NRCG. That would make sense.
Your welcome, at least that is what I think the initials stand for.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: New Monkey on August 04, 2010, 10:38:08 AM
Patricia the DDS, I'm guessing is DeDe Spicer, or however you spell her last name.

Thank you NRCG. That would make sense.
Yes, I meant DeDe Spicher with the DDS.  And I didn't mean he knew she was going to the GJ before she knew she was going to the GJ, I meant he knew she was going to the GJ before she DID go before the GJ.  Sloppy communication.  I'm sorry.



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on August 04, 2010, 10:43:19 AM
http://www.wweek.com/editorial/3639/14358/?SOURCE=RSS&utm_medium=TerriMoultonHorman.com    Interesting article with a lot of info in it.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: amom2 on August 04, 2010, 10:43:32 AM
Sorry if this was already posted:

Second Friend to testify before GJ:
http://www.kptv.com/news/24499150/detail.html

Again, the reason for GJ is to bring an indictment. When they are all done with the hearings, and the jury decides - I think we could expect an arrest. It will be in the hands of the GJ to make that decision.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Patricia Mocha Latte on August 04, 2010, 10:44:07 AM
Patricia the DDS, I'm guessing is DeDe Spicer, or however you spell her last name.

Thank you NRCG. That would make sense.
Yes, I meant DeDe Spicher with the DDS.  And I didn't mean he knew she was going to the GJ before she knew she was going to the GJ, I meant he knew she was going to the GJ before she DID go before the GJ.  Sloppy communication.  I'm sorry.



Regardless of what anyones interpretation is regarding having the knowledge about that or any other pertinent information regarding the case, obviously it would not be in DDS's best interest for a family member to be posting the things that this poster has posted in that particular forum.
Obviously.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Patricia Mocha Latte on August 04, 2010, 10:47:02 AM

Terri Horman back in Portland as others appear before grand jury

Last Update: 6:33 pm

Terri Horman was back in Portland Tuesday, less than 24 hours after Kaine Horman, Desiree and Tony Young appeared before a Multnomah County grand jury.
 
Terri pulled into the Pacwest Building in downtown Portland around 9 a.m. Tuesday to meet with criminal attorney Stephen Houze, who has an office on the 12th floor.

A court date was set (Aug. 25) for Kaine and Terri's divorce and restraining order, but it is unclear if that is the reason Terri was in Portland.

She was seen driving a white Toyota with her father, Larry Moulton. The two left just before 4:30 p.m.
 
“We’re still very much in charge of this investigation, it’s active, it’s very productive at this point – we’re moving forward,” said Capt. Jason Gates, a Multnomah County Sheriff’s spokesman.
 
While no one in law enforcement has named Terri a suspect, members of Kyron’s family, as well as Terri’s friend DeDe Spicher, have been called before the grand jury.

Former Multnomah County Sheriff’s Capt. Bruce McCain says the fact that Kyron’s stepmom has not appeared before the grand jury is significant, in that grand juries don’t usually subpoena a possible suspect.

http://www.koinlocal6.com/content/news/topstories/story/Terri-Horman-back-in-Portland-as-others-appear/ZGRThEFwPUyPrIASZIWZ8Q.cspx

 ::monkeyscissors::

Re: The part of the article that I bolded:

As opposed to....


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: bluwaters on August 04, 2010, 10:48:35 AM
Sorry if this was already posted:

Second Friend to testify before GJ:
http://www.kptv.com/news/24499150/detail.html

Again, the reason for GJ is to bring an indictment. When they are all done with the hearings, and the jury decides - I think we could expect an arrest. It will be in the hands of the GJ to make that decision.
I agree that we will see an arrest come out of this GJ.
What do you think the charge(s) will be? 


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on August 04, 2010, 10:50:38 AM
Patricia the DDS, I'm guessing is DeDe Spicer, or however you spell her last name.

Thank you NRCG. That would make sense.
Yes, I meant DeDe Spicher with the DDS.  And I didn't mean he knew she was going to the GJ before she knew she was going to the GJ, I meant he knew she was going to the GJ before she DID go before the GJ.  Sloppy communication.  I'm sorry.



Regardless of what anyones interpretation is regarding having the knowledge about that or any other pertinent information regarding the case, obviously it would not be in DDS's best interest for a family member to be posting the things that this poster has posted in that particular forum.
Obviously.
I agree, he needs to shut up, but it is way too late for that.  ::MonkeyNoNo::  All he seems to be doing is stirring the pot.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: New Monkey on August 04, 2010, 10:51:58 AM
Patricia the DDS, I'm guessing is DeDe Spicer, or however you spell her last name.

Thank you NRCG. That would make sense.
Yes, I meant DeDe Spicher with the DDS.  And I didn't mean he knew she was going to the GJ before she knew she was going to the GJ, I meant he knew she was going to the GJ before she DID go before the GJ.  Sloppy communication.  I'm sorry.



Regardless of what anyones interpretation is regarding having the knowledge about that or any other pertinent information regarding the case, obviously it would not be in DDS's best interest for a family member to be posting the things that this poster has posted in that particular forum.
Obviously.
Absolutely.  He's not done her any favors whatsoever. 


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Patricia Mocha Latte on August 04, 2010, 10:53:10 AM
http://www.katu.com/home/video/99919574.html?video=YHI&t=a

Listen closely to what is said about the questionable timing of the use of the GJ in this case.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Patricia Mocha Latte on August 04, 2010, 10:54:48 AM
Patricia the DDS, I'm guessing is DeDe Spicer, or however you spell her last name.

Thank you NRCG. That would make sense.
Yes, I meant DeDe Spicher with the DDS.  And I didn't mean he knew she was going to the GJ before she knew she was going to the GJ, I meant he knew she was going to the GJ before she DID go before the GJ.  Sloppy communication.  I'm sorry.



Regardless of what anyones interpretation is regarding having the knowledge about that or any other pertinent information regarding the case, obviously it would not be in DDS's best interest for a family member to be posting the things that this poster has posted in that particular forum.
Obviously.
I agree, he needs to shut up, but it is way too late for that.  ::MonkeyNoNo::  All he seems to be doing is stirring the pot.

It appears both familiar and intentional NRGC.
Moo.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: seahorse on August 04, 2010, 10:55:18 AM
Pardon me for saying so, but this guy seems a bit off his rocker.  I can't understand a thing he is saying.  It's like he's doped up or something. . . or is it just me?   ::MonkeyEek::
You are not alone  ::MonkeyEek::

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: I agree with both of you Monkey's.

His name should be Joe Dipstick. 


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: melisb on August 04, 2010, 10:55:29 AM
Hardhats on...I'm slutherizin' again.  lol  If DDS Bishop property is over 8ac and near Horman home and if TH was there June 4 would that make her cell ping the Sauvie I. tower also?  Is Bishop Rd. and SI near enough that they may have thought she was at SI instead?


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Patricia Mocha Latte on August 04, 2010, 10:56:58 AM
NRCG. I typed to fast and put NRGC. You know I meant you LOL!


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on August 04, 2010, 10:59:53 AM
NRCG. I typed to fast and put NRGC. You know I meant you LOL!
::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on August 04, 2010, 11:04:26 AM
An Intel engineer with an analytical mind and awkward social skills, Kaine Horman has been through the unimaginable. First losing his son, then seeking to divorce his wife after learning investigators believe that she allegedly tried to hire someone to kill him. Kaine has said he’s racked with guilt that a person he trusted, Terri Moulton Horman, is possibly involved in his son’s disappearance. What he doesn’t address directly is what he feels about striking up a romance with Terri when his then-wife, Desiree Young, was eight months’ pregnant with Kyron. He does say he and Desiree had already agreed to separate although they were still living together. Nevertheless, the media have portrayed him sympathetically as a tortured father now single-mindedly focused on finding his son. When he’s not being briefed by investigators, consulting with his divorce lawyer, and caring for his 20-month-old daughter, Kiara, he squeezes in time for the media and a few hours of work from home. He also may have found ways of blowing off steam—neighbors report they’ve heard gunfire coming from the property for hours on end.    ::MonkeyEek::  This is part of the article I just posted. Don't know what to think about this so called gunfire from his property. Would a person hunt on their property this time of year? Know not one thing about hunting, and really would rather not know, but just curious.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: New Monkey on August 04, 2010, 11:13:01 AM
I find the comment about "gunfire coming from the property for hours on end" somewhat bizarre.  They look like they live rather rurally, so it's not uncommon to hear gunfire - but the "hours on end" thing seems rather odd.  I'd call the police if I heard gunfire for "hours on end".  Seems like an exaggeration to me, but who knows.  You can only fire so many shots before reloading and ammo isn't cheap.  :monkeyshrugging:


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on August 04, 2010, 11:15:24 AM
I find the comment about "gunfire coming from the property for hours on end" somewhat bizarre.  They look like they live rather rurally, so it's not uncommon to hear gunfire - but the "hours on end" thing seems rather odd.  I'd call the police if I heard gunfire for "hours on end".  Seems like an exaggeration to me, but who knows.  You can only fire so many shots before reloading and ammo isn't cheap.  :monkeyshrugging:
I know nothing about hunting, guns or ammo, so I was just wondering. Maybe a place where there is target practice?


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: mediamama on August 04, 2010, 11:17:13 AM
An Intel engineer with an analytical mind and awkward social skills, Kaine Horman has been through the unimaginable. First losing his son, then seeking to divorce his wife after learning investigators believe that she allegedly tried to hire someone to kill him. Kaine has said he’s racked with guilt that a person he trusted, Terri Moulton Horman, is possibly involved in his son’s disappearance. What he doesn’t address directly is what he feels about striking up a romance with Terri when his then-wife, Desiree Young, was eight months’ pregnant with Kyron. He does say he and Desiree had already agreed to separate although they were still living together. Nevertheless, the media have portrayed him sympathetically as a tortured father now single-mindedly focused on finding his son. When he’s not being briefed by investigators, consulting with his divorce lawyer, and caring for his 20-month-old daughter, Kiara, he squeezes in time for the media and a few hours of work from home. He also may have found ways of blowing off steam—neighbors report they’ve heard gunfire coming from the property for hours on end.    ::MonkeyEek::  This is part of the article I just posted. Don't know what to think about this so called gunfire from his property. Would a person hunt on their property this time of year? Know not one thing about hunting, and really would rather not know, but just curious.

I live in a more urban area, so it's probably just me, but I find that to be an odd way to "blow off steam." Huh.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: amom2 on August 04, 2010, 11:17:21 AM
Sorry if this was already posted:

Second Friend to testify before GJ:
http://www.kptv.com/news/24499150/detail.html

Again, the reason for GJ is to bring an indictment. When they are all done with the hearings, and the jury decides - I think we could expect an arrest. It will be in the hands of the GJ to make that decision.
I agree that we will see an arrest come out of this GJ.
What do you think the charge(s) will be? 

One can only wonder.  Is it about the MFH? One would think that, since this friend saw Terri on the day Kyron went missing, that GJ is meeting concerning Kyron being missing. Kidnapping?

Thing is, nothing is brought to the GJ unless investigators feel there is enough to warrant an arrest. Typically they do not want to move ahead and end up with nothing at trial. So whether it is about the MFH or Kyron “disappearing” – investigators must believe they have enough evidence to move forward with an arrest.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: melisb on August 04, 2010, 11:19:57 AM
An Intel engineer with an analytical mind and awkward social skills, Kaine Horman has been through the unimaginable. First losing his son, then seeking to divorce his wife after learning investigators believe that she allegedly tried to hire someone to kill him. Kaine has said he’s racked with guilt that a person he trusted, Terri Moulton Horman, is possibly involved in his son’s disappearance. What he doesn’t address directly is what he feels about striking up a romance with Terri when his then-wife, Desiree Young, was eight months’ pregnant with Kyron. He does say he and Desiree had already agreed to separate although they were still living together. Nevertheless, the media have portrayed him sympathetically as a tortured father now single-mindedly focused on finding his son. When he’s not being briefed by investigators, consulting with his divorce lawyer, and caring for his 20-month-old daughter, Kiara, he squeezes in time for the media and a few hours of work from home. He also may have found ways of blowing off steam—neighbors report they’ve heard gunfire coming from the property for hours on end.    ::MonkeyEek::  This is part of the article I just posted. Don't know what to think about this so called gunfire from his property. Would a person hunt on their property this time of year? Know not one thing about hunting, and really would rather not know, but just curious.

Mornin NRCG...if article is true I can add some insight to it maybe.  My hubby is an avid gun collector, hunter, outdoorsman, etc..  Not to scare anyone but on more than one occasion he has actually loaded (we lived in woods on 10ac with no neighbors)one or two guns, walk out the back door, go 10ft. and just and just open fire.  I asked why he did that and said he was frustrated and shooting is a release.  I've know him to target practice for same reason too.  No, he's not dangerous nor would I ever be scared of him but it's just the same way people who live in cities have to go to shooting ranges us country folk can just hang out the back door.  OMG images of the Cummings clan popped up in my head so fast. 


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: 4 Donks on August 04, 2010, 11:20:05 AM
I find the comment about "gunfire coming from the property for hours on end" somewhat bizarre.  They look like they live rather rurally, so it's not uncommon to hear gunfire - but the "hours on end" thing seems rather odd.  I'd call the police if I heard gunfire for "hours on end".  Seems like an exaggeration to me, but who knows.  You can only fire so many shots before reloading and ammo isn't cheap.  :monkeyshrugging:

I live in the country and hours of gun fire aren't unusual. People before hunting season sighting in rifles, teaching their kids how to shoot or just letting off steam. Most do reloading to the lower the cost.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on August 04, 2010, 11:24:37 AM
An Intel engineer with an analytical mind and awkward social skills, Kaine Horman has been through the unimaginable. First losing his son, then seeking to divorce his wife after learning investigators believe that she allegedly tried to hire someone to kill him. Kaine has said he’s racked with guilt that a person he trusted, Terri Moulton Horman, is possibly involved in his son’s disappearance. What he doesn’t address directly is what he feels about striking up a romance with Terri when his then-wife, Desiree Young, was eight months’ pregnant with Kyron. He does say he and Desiree had already agreed to separate although they were still living together. Nevertheless, the media have portrayed him sympathetically as a tortured father now single-mindedly focused on finding his son. When he’s not being briefed by investigators, consulting with his divorce lawyer, and caring for his 20-month-old daughter, Kiara, he squeezes in time for the media and a few hours of work from home. He also may have found ways of blowing off steam—neighbors report they’ve heard gunfire coming from the property for hours on end.    ::MonkeyEek::  This is part of the article I just posted. Don't know what to think about this so called gunfire from his property. Would a person hunt on their property this time of year? Know not one thing about hunting, and really would rather not know, but just curious.

I live in a more urban area, so it's probably just me, but I find that to be an odd way to "blow off steam." Huh.
I know that is not how I would blow off steam, considering I've never even touched a gun in my life, but maybe people do this?


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on August 04, 2010, 11:25:49 AM
Thank-you melisb and 4 Donks for that info about guns.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: 4 Donks on August 04, 2010, 11:29:09 AM
Thank-you melisb and 4 Donks for that info about guns.
I have a licence to carry concealed and have target practice on my property..all legal


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: cw618 on August 04, 2010, 11:30:48 AM


He claims to live in Portland now, yes.  He was born in Klamath Falls:

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000437052671&ref=ts (http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000437052671&ref=ts)
[/quote]

Is this really the guy or could it be his son who has the same name? All of this Tom Jone's posts on FB have words spelled correctly. LOL  Besides, I thought the cousin who was posting was younger and still worked. It seems like I read he was younger than Dede - between her and her brother in age? And he even gave out where he worked as a way to authenticate himself. It was one of his first posts about the case on that Godsomethig website. I didn't bookmark it. I'll try to find it.

IMO
[/quote]

Sorry. I was behind and I see quicker posters than I already asked and answered. Going back to reading!
[/quote]

im prob late, jonesr says at about mid pg
 I live In clackamas Oregon. f*** it, my name is Tom Jones. I'm a mobile auto glass installer, I drive at least a hundred miles a day in the Portland metro area.
I meet at least five different people every day for the last ten years here.
I KNOW PORTLAND.
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1141412/pg4


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: NewfieMonkey on August 04, 2010, 11:32:26 AM
I know that is not how I would blow off steam, considering I've never even touched a gun in my life, but maybe people do this?
I do  ::MonkeyCool::
My brother and I set up targets on his farm and can shoot all day.  I love it!  When that's not available I go to an indoor range.
Whodda thunk huh?  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: melisb on August 04, 2010, 11:33:53 AM
I think it's a guy thing!  Me, now that is a whole 'nother ballgame!!!!  I strap up and hit the stores!  Shopping and food are my weapons of choice!


                                               ::MonkeyDevil::         ::MonkeyKiss::


                                                                ::piggy::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: seahorse on August 04, 2010, 11:36:32 AM


He claims to live in Portland now, yes.  He was born in Klamath Falls:

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000437052671&ref=ts (http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000437052671&ref=ts)

Is this really the guy or could it be his son who has the same name? All of this Tom Jone's posts on FB have words spelled correctly. LOL  Besides, I thought the cousin who was posting was younger and still worked. It seems like I read he was younger than Dede - between her and her brother in age? And he even gave out where he worked as a way to authenticate himself. It was one of his first posts about the case on that Godsomethig website. I didn't bookmark it. I'll try to find it.

IMO
[/quote]

Sorry. I was behind and I see quicker posters than I already asked and answered. Going back to reading!
[/quote]

im prob late, jonesr says at about mid pg
 I live In clackamas Oregon. f*** it, my name is Tom Jones. I'm a mobile auto glass installer, I drive at least a hundred miles a day in the Portland metro area.
I meet at least five different people every day for the last ten years here.
I KNOW PORTLAND.
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1141412/pg4
[/quote]

The Cuz said he is four years younger than DDS? and two years older than her brother? Tom should be around 39.
I am so puzzled with his posts. ::MonkeyTongue::




Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on August 04, 2010, 11:37:12 AM
I think it's a guy thing!  Me, now that is a whole 'nother ballgame!!!!  I strap up and hit the stores!  Shopping and food are my weapons of choice!


                                               ::MonkeyDevil::         ::MonkeyKiss::


                                                                ::piggy::
That sounds like me  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: 4 Donks on August 04, 2010, 11:41:44 AM
I am assuming that the baby is in daycare while he is out shooting


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on August 04, 2010, 11:47:05 AM
I am assuming that the baby is in daycare while he is out shooting
::MonkeyEek::  Didn't even think about that.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: seahorse on August 04, 2010, 11:48:57 AM
http://www.birthdatabase.com/

Look-up for Birthdates, good luck:)


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: cw618 on August 04, 2010, 11:51:52 AM
here is his whole post, the bold, 39-15=24, so his kids are adults?, the FB link
showed younger kids, sorry cant find the FB link
it was not this FB link
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000437052671&ref=ts

Her brothers name is Richard goes by Rick middle name Earl after my/ our grandfather . I'm for real. There is going to be alot of attention paid the the content of the text messages, no one knows anything about Kyron or the world would allready know. I wish I knew. You guys don't quite get how surreal this is for me, my oldest sons name is Kieran, pronounced the same as Kyron. I live In clackamas Oregon. f*** it, my name is Tom Jones. I'm a mobile auto glass installer, I drive at least a hundred miles a day in the Portland metro area.
I meet at least five different people every day for the last ten years here.
I KNOW PORTLAND.
I see kyrons picture on the overpasses, in store windows, and in the windows of the cars I'm working on everyday.
I'm a widower too. Fifteen years now.
My wife was killed when our son Kieran was seven months old.
It sucked. But I cannot imagine how Kyrons dad is feeling.
I hear him on the raido talking about how he is getting thing ready for Kyron's return.
Then as if GLP ever helped anyone sleep at night, I got the call from Rick.
We are on pins and needles. The family is banding aroud eachother, we are the Jones s and the Spichers. This is our rough time as a family
we will pull through it, and the pressure is on Dede to stop this and bring peace to many, justice to others, and the beginning of the healing process for Kyrons family.
Sorry bout the rant , please don't close my checking account
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1141412/pg4


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Claycat on August 04, 2010, 12:00:28 PM
I know that is not how I would blow off steam, considering I've never even touched a gun in my life, but maybe people do this?
I do  ::MonkeyCool::
My brother and I set up targets on his farm and can shoot all day.  I love it!  When that's not available I go to an indoor range.
Whodda thunk huh?  ::MonkeyHaHa::

I would like to do this, but my husband is always too tired to go anywhere.  :(


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: seahorse on August 04, 2010, 12:03:36 PM
here is his whole post, the bold, 39-15=24, so his kids are adults?, the FB link
showed younger kids, sorry cant find the FB link
it was not this FB link
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000437052671&ref=ts

Her brothers name is Richard goes by Rick middle name Earl after my/ our grandfather . I'm for real. There is going to be alot of attention paid the the content of the text messages, no one knows anything about Kyron or the world would allready know. I wish I knew. You guys don't quite get how surreal this is for me, my oldest sons name is Kieran, pronounced the same as Kyron. I live In clackamas Oregon. f*** it, my name is Tom Jones. I'm a mobile auto glass installer, I drive at least a hundred miles a day in the Portland metro area.
I meet at least five different people every day for the last ten years here.
I KNOW PORTLAND.
I see kyrons picture on the overpasses, in store windows, and in the windows of the cars I'm working on everyday.
I'm a widower too. Fifteen years now.
My wife was killed when our son Kieran was seven months old.
It sucked. But I cannot imagine how Kyrons dad is feeling.
I hear him on the raido talking about how he is getting thing ready for Kyron's return.
Then as if GLP ever helped anyone sleep at night, I got the call from Rick.
We are on pins and needles. The family is banding aroud eachother, we are the Jones s and the Spichers. This is our rough time as a family
we will pull through it, and the pressure is on Dede to stop this and bring peace to many, justice to others, and the beginning of the healing process for Kyrons family.
Sorry bout the rant , please don't close my checking account
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1141412/pg4

He has a "checking account"?  Does GLP offer free checking?  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: theboyzmom on August 04, 2010, 12:04:22 PM
An Intel engineer with an analytical mind and awkward social skills, Kaine Horman has been through the unimaginable. First losing his son, then seeking to divorce his wife after learning investigators believe that she allegedly tried to hire someone to kill him. Kaine has said he’s racked with guilt that a person he trusted, Terri Moulton Horman, is possibly involved in his son’s disappearance. What he doesn’t address directly is what he feels about striking up a romance with Terri when his then-wife, Desiree Young, was eight months’ pregnant with Kyron. He does say he and Desiree had already agreed to separate although they were still living together. Nevertheless, the media have portrayed him sympathetically as a tortured father now single-mindedly focused on finding his son. When he’s not being briefed by investigators, consulting with his divorce lawyer, and caring for his 20-month-old daughter, Kiara, he squeezes in time for the media and a few hours of work from home. He also may have found ways of blowing off steam—neighbors report they’ve heard gunfire coming from the property for hours on end.    ::MonkeyEek::  This is part of the article I just posted. Don't know what to think about this so called gunfire from his property. Would a person hunt on their property this time of year? Know not one thing about hunting, and really would rather not know, but just curious.

Mornin NRCG...if article is true I can add some insight to it maybe.  My hubby is an avid gun collector, hunter, outdoorsman, etc..  Not to scare anyone but on more than one occasion he has actually loaded (we lived in woods on 10ac with no neighbors)one or two guns, walk out the back door, go 10ft. and just and just open fire.  I asked why he did that and said he was frustrated and shooting is a release.  I've know him to target practice for same reason too.  No, he's not dangerous nor would I ever be scared of him but it's just the same way people who live in cities have to go to shooting ranges us country folk can just hang out the back door.  OMG images of the Cummings clan popped up in my head so fast. 

I agree - I live in a rural area and like to shoot - I often go out and target practice when I am stressed or angry - it takes your mind off of whatever is going on.  I am not dangerous or would I ever shoot anyone except in self defense.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: New Monkey on August 04, 2010, 12:06:40 PM
I find the comment about "gunfire coming from the property for hours on end" somewhat bizarre.  They look like they live rather rurally, so it's not uncommon to hear gunfire - but the "hours on end" thing seems rather odd.  I'd call the police if I heard gunfire for "hours on end".  Seems like an exaggeration to me, but who knows.  You can only fire so many shots before reloading and ammo isn't cheap.  :monkeyshrugging:

I live in the country and hours of gun fire aren't unusual. People before hunting season sighting in rifles, teaching their kids how to shoot or just letting off steam. Most do reloading to the lower the cost.
I grew up very rurally and the sound of gunshots were not uncommon at all.  I guess maybe it is how I interpreting "hours on end".  I just picture hours upon hours of shots being fired. 


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Patricia Mocha Latte on August 04, 2010, 12:06:56 PM


He claims to live in Portland now, yes.  He was born in Klamath Falls:

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000437052671&ref=ts (http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000437052671&ref=ts)

Is this really the guy or could it be his son who has the same name? All of this Tom Jone's posts on FB have words spelled correctly. LOL  Besides, I thought the cousin who was posting was younger and still worked. It seems like I read he was younger than Dede - between her and her brother in age? And he even gave out where he worked as a way to authenticate himself. It was one of his first posts about the case on that Godsomethig website. I didn't bookmark it. I'll try to find it.

IMO

Sorry. I was behind and I see quicker posters than I already asked and answered. Going back to reading!
[/quote]

im prob late, jonesr says at about mid pg
 I live In clackamas Oregon. f*** it, my name is Tom Jones. I'm a mobile auto glass installer, I drive at least a hundred miles a day in the Portland metro area.
I meet at least five different people every day for the last ten years here.
I KNOW PORTLAND.
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1141412/pg4
[/quote]

The Cuz said he is four years younger than DDS? and two years older than her brother? Tom should be around 39.
I am so puzzled with his posts. ::MonkeyTongue::



[/quote]

Also seahorse, didn't your research find that Richard goes by the name Dick?
Dick is a common name given for short when the name is Richard. Do you have anything showing that he goes by either Dick or Rick? Which one is correct?


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: cw618 on August 04, 2010, 12:07:16 PM
anyway if he widowed 15yrs ago, who are these kids in the pic
does this guy look 39

i think this is it jonesr
http://www.facebook.com/people/Tommy-Jones/1702249525

dad
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000437052671&ref=ts

my post so you dont get lost
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8338.msg1198284#msg1198284



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: New Monkey on August 04, 2010, 12:07:46 PM
I think it's a guy thing!  Me, now that is a whole 'nother ballgame!!!!  I strap up and hit the stores!  Shopping and food are my weapons of choice!


                                               ::MonkeyDevil::         ::MonkeyKiss::


                                                                ::piggy::
I have a conceal carry license as well.   ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Patricia Mocha Latte on August 04, 2010, 12:11:09 PM
Found this:
seahorse
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« Reply #551 on: July 24, 2010, 06:42:04 AM » 

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Does anyone please have a membership to the True Crimes forum?  Thank-you.

True Crimes • View topic - WORK THREAD Dede Spicher -Friend Of ...SPICHER, RICHARD EARL (Age 37) SPICHER, DICK W this would be harry "dick" ... we have to be careful when pulling up the spicher family in portland oregon. ...
truecrimes.50.forumer.com/viewtopic.php?f=486&t=3864&p=21241


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Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 04, 2010, 12:14:28 PM

The Cuz said he is four years younger than DDS? and two years older than her brother? Tom should be around 39.
I am so puzzled with his posts. ::MonkeyTongue::


39 going on 15 judging from his inability to articulate the written word!

Janet


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Scatty on August 04, 2010, 12:17:49 PM
http://www.wweek.com/editorial/3639/14358/?SOURCE=RSS&utm_medium=TerriMoultonHorman.com    Interesting article with a lot of info in it.
Excellent article. Thanks NRCG! There was quite a bit of info that that brought the case into clearer focus.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Itaryl Moosee on August 04, 2010, 12:18:38 PM
I live in a more urban area, so it's probably just me, but I find that to be an odd way to "blow off steam." Huh.

Specially if there is a 20 months toddler living in the property. I mean, if neighbors have heard it, so has the child.

IMO


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Scatty on August 04, 2010, 12:20:23 PM
I find the comment about "gunfire coming from the property for hours on end" somewhat bizarre.  They look like they live rather rurally, so it's not uncommon to hear gunfire - but the "hours on end" thing seems rather odd.  I'd call the police if I heard gunfire for "hours on end".  Seems like an exaggeration to me, but who knows.  You can only fire so many shots before reloading and ammo isn't cheap.  :monkeyshrugging:
I know nothing about hunting, guns or ammo, so I was just wondering. Maybe a place where there is target practice?

Maybe a target with Terri's face glued on?


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: seahorse on August 04, 2010, 12:21:28 PM


He claims to live in Portland now, yes.  He was born in Klamath Falls:

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000437052671&ref=ts (http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000437052671&ref=ts)

Is this really the guy or could it be his son who has the same name? All of this Tom Jone's posts on FB have words spelled correctly. LOL  Besides, I thought the cousin who was posting was younger and still worked. It seems like I read he was younger than Dede - between her and her brother in age? And he even gave out where he worked as a way to authenticate himself. It was one of his first posts about the case on that Godsomethig website. I didn't bookmark it. I'll try to find it.

IMO

Sorry. I was behind and I see quicker posters than I already asked and answered. Going back to reading!

im prob late, jonesr says at about mid pg
 I live In clackamas Oregon. f*** it, my name is Tom Jones. I'm a mobile auto glass installer, I drive at least a hundred miles a day in the Portland metro area.
I meet at least five different people every day for the last ten years here.
I KNOW PORTLAND.
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1141412/pg4
[/quote]

The Cuz said he is four years younger than DDS? and two years older than her brother? Tom should be around 39.
I am so puzzled with his posts. ::MonkeyTongue::



[/quote]

Also seahorse, didn't your research find that Richard goes by the name Dick?
Dick is a common name given for short when the name is Richard. Do you have anything showing that he goes by either Dick or Rick? Which one is correct?
[/quote]

Patricia,

I did research until Klaas growled...she believes his family shouldn't be posted since it doesn't have anything to do with the case.
  ::MonkeyEek:: I do enjoy reading your posts and lurking.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Patricia Mocha Latte on August 04, 2010, 12:23:14 PM


He claims to live in Portland now, yes.  He was born in Klamath Falls:

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000437052671&ref=ts (http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000437052671&ref=ts)

Is this really the guy or could it be his son who has the same name? All of this Tom Jone's posts on FB have words spelled correctly. LOL  Besides, I thought the cousin who was posting was younger and still worked. It seems like I read he was younger than Dede - between her and her brother in age? And he even gave out where he worked as a way to authenticate himself. It was one of his first posts about the case on that Godsomethig website. I didn't bookmark it. I'll try to find it.

IMO

Sorry. I was behind and I see quicker posters than I already asked and answered. Going back to reading!

im prob late, jonesr says at about mid pg
 I live In clackamas Oregon. f*** it, my name is Tom Jones. I'm a mobile auto glass installer, I drive at least a hundred miles a day in the Portland metro area.
I meet at least five different people every day for the last ten years here.
I KNOW PORTLAND.
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1141412/pg4

The Cuz said he is four years younger than DDS? and two years older than her brother? Tom should be around 39.
I am so puzzled with his posts. ::MonkeyTongue::



[/quote]

Also seahorse, didn't your research find that Richard goes by the name Dick?
Dick is a common name given for short when the name is Richard. Do you have anything showing that he goes by either Dick or Rick? Which one is correct?
[/quote]

Patricia,

I did research until Klaas growled...she believes his family shouldn't be posted since it doesn't have anything to do with the case.
  ::MonkeyEek:: I do enjoy reading your posts and lurking.
[/quote]

Same here seahorse :)


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 04, 2010, 12:25:50 PM
http://www.wweek.com/editorial/3639/14358/?SOURCE=RSS&utm_medium=TerriMoultonHorman.com    Interesting article with a lot of info in it.

Thanks no rose.

Janet


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Scatty on August 04, 2010, 12:26:49 PM

The Cuz said he is four years younger than DDS? and two years older than her brother? Tom should be around 39.
I am so puzzled with his posts. ::MonkeyTongue::


39 going on 15 judging from his inability to articulate the written word!

Janet

Sometimes, the posts over there reminded me of stupid Casey Anthony and brother Lee's "code talking".


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Itaryl Moosee on August 04, 2010, 12:30:03 PM
Of that article at The Kyron Files (http://www.wweek.com/editorial/3639/14358/?SOURCE=RSS&utm_medium=TerriMoultonHorman.com)

I find the following kinda eeky:

"The Neighbors

Angela Davis
Age: 34
Residence: Up the street from the Horman house

Angela Davis has endured more than most neighbors around the Horman house on dead-end Northwest Sheltered Nook Road. Residents put up with weeks of TV crews camped out on the road, taping every passing car, and occasional beeping late at night from news trucks backing up in neighborhood driveways. Davis, meanwhile, has a pile of human feces on her property where the cameramen who staked out the Hormans relieved themselves under her tree. Next to the turds and used toilet paper sits a pile of rotting grapefruit in a discarded plastic bag. But during the search for Kyron, some of her neighbors freaked out for a different reason. Many are growing marijuana on their isolated, densely wooded properties, and were spooked when search teams arrived. Deputies assured the nervous neighbors they didn’t care about the pot. "


 ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 04, 2010, 12:30:26 PM

The Cuz said he is four years younger than DDS? and two years older than her brother? Tom should be around 39.
I am so puzzled with his posts. ::MonkeyTongue::


39 going on 15 judging from his inability to articulate the written word!

Janet

Sometimes, the posts over there reminded me of stupid Casey Anthony and brother Lee's "code talking".

.... and the Croslin siblings in the jailhouse recordings of their conversation.

Janet


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Patricia Mocha Latte on August 04, 2010, 01:00:33 PM
Curious,
Does anyone have the date that the cousin allegedly began posting on the godlike productions website?


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: nicubird on August 04, 2010, 01:06:09 PM
Curious,
Does anyone have the date that the cousin allegedly began posting on the godlike productions website?

He started the thread about his cousin on 7/23. As far as I can tell using their search feature, his first post at that forum using the handle jonesr was 4/10/10.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 04, 2010, 01:31:28 PM
Curious,
Does anyone have the date that the cousin allegedly began posting on the godlike productions website?

Hi Patricia

I have a hinky feeling about this site and ... the DeDe connection ... the Kyron Horman connection.

Anyways ... it appears that the first pages of the cousin's thread collapsed.  I suspect that it is only a matter of time until the rest of the thread is going to go "poof".

Janet

+++++

MY COUSIN HAS JUST BEEN IMPLICATED IN THE KYRON HORMAN CASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1141412/pg1


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Patricia Mocha Latte on August 04, 2010, 01:32:54 PM
Well this seems weird:

MY COUSIN HAS JUST BEEN IMPLICATED IN THE KYRON HORMAN CASE ...
My continued best to you in your current quest Jones..and my admiration at .... only to realize they were talking to Tom Jones, the killer, and run away. ..... "De De Spicher, a friend of Kyron's stepmother Terri Horman, ...

204.74.214.194/forum1/message1141412/pg113


Then this, notice the dates:
nesr
User ID: 1046182
United States
7/23/2010 12:33 PM
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MY COUSIN HAS JUST BEEN IMPLICATED IN THE KYRON HORMAN CASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Got a call from my cousin last night, he said his sister Dede Spicher was in the middle of this whole thing.
From what I can get from the huge buzz in the family is she has been friends with the step monster for a while, most of the people that knew Teri Horman say she is a psycho.
It would seem that Dede was working in a garden with another friend in the Hormans neighborhood, she left at about 11:15 and was unaccountable for about an hour and a half, then returned.
Dede has been accused by the father and the bio mom of Kyron of texting Teri Horman giving advise that was not conclusive to finding Kyron and to help cover Teris ass. UNFUCKIN BELIEVABLE!!!!!!!!
This is going to jury on monday, I will keep GLP informed.
The wierdest part is I live in Portland too, and this case has held my attention from the very start, my sons name is pronounced the same way but spelled different, really creepy!
The wierd thing is that she is not cooperating with the police or investigators, her father is a sherriff in Klamath county, and a member of search and rescue. They helped look for Kyron.
Now he is there with her, and they are not talking and lawyer ing up.
Family or not, if she is an accomplice, and the media here is painting her to be just that, she needs to pay the maximum penalty if guilty.
I wonder what's in the garden, and if it was Dede that was seen following Teri at high speed out of swavie island. If so that little boy may just be found in the Columbia river.
If you read this, please, before you click off this thread, say a quick prayer for Kyron and his dad, IMO this is going to end bad for everyone.



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Well, I just remembered that it was reported early in the case two cars, one ID as Teri and a blue explored were seen zooming out of Suavi Island. The day of the disappearance. Dede drives a blue explorer.
This is not good.
The poster stating that Dede and Teri are gingers is on to something also,
I know she doesn't much care for kids, and never showed interest in meeting my three.
Dede was a very spoiled child, and never got as much as a lecture for bad behavoir her whole life, I lived with them for two years while in HS.
She is very selfcentered, and a narcisist. ( can't spell that one)
it's terrible to say about family but truth is truth.
IMO she is way more involved than we know yet.
I hope I'm wrong, I wasn't bout the gulf chasm and Matt simmons.
I'm surrounded by doom!


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I posted this on GLP because the world is watching, and things kept seceret repeat. I've responded to almost all the threads that were about kyron. I slept on the decision to even bring up my connection to the case here. But this is important world wide shit, and I mean shit.
For the record I will not accept any offer for a story.
The poster that quoted Dede; that's her 100 percent, I could have read that on a random piece of paper and know who wrote it.
I found my self with the inside scoop on this, and I'm a GLP r.
Trial set for Monday, her brother told me so , sorry no link.


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The coward with ESP is right I fear, but I gotta say your cold opinion and demener remind me of Dede.
But I thnk so too.
This is not easy to report, but it needs to be.


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For some reason getting a BS flag doesn't hurt my feelings
Her fathers name is Donald Lee Spicher, I said he was a sherriff, not the sherriff. He is the lake cop that works the mountain lakes in the area.
He is a good man, this is giong to kill him, he has heart issues.
I havnt had much contact with Dede in the last ten years, we both live here but about twenty miles apart. I was close with her as children, she was the frist girl to kiss me, I know cousins/ Joe dirt jokes comin.
I remember slamming into her while riding mini bikes, I remember Christmas after Christmas with her and our grandparents hose.
I can hear her contagious laugh.
I think about Kyron.
I think about my own kids and yours too.
If she is guilty we will see.
It's just a jury/ court thing, I never said grand once
I will keep this up dated as I hear it.
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Interesting. Very.

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http://www.kptv.com/news/24397450/detail.html

Friend Of Kyron's Stepmom Subpoenaed By Grand Jury
Court Documents Suggest Stepmother Paid $350,000 To Lawyer

POSTED: 12:19 pm PDT July 26, 2010
UPDATED: 6:08 pm PDT July 27, 2010

""She was subpoenaed before the grand jury today," said Chad Stavley, Spicher's lawyer. "My understanding it was just to solicit information. We don’t know anything more."

Tom Jones, Spicher's cousin, said he and his family are in shock over the latest developments in the case.

“If you’re a friend of hers, she’s a valuable asset. But she’s responsible, so it’s unfathomable that she’s involved, let alone an accomplice," Jones said."

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The comments made by the poster in question on July 23rd at the godlike productions website conflict terribly with the statement given to the reporter at KPTV on either July 26th or 27th.

imo




Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: sebastian on August 04, 2010, 01:33:36 PM

<snipped more to keep quote and link>

Dunno mediamama.  Sounds to me more like the next episode in their soap opera, than it does anything having to do with a grieving father trying to find his missing son.  The focus he supposedly has. 

 

Wyke ... do I detect a little skeptism.

Don't despair ... I suspect that stuff is about to happen ... stuff that implies answers have been forthcoming regarding the disappearance of this little boy.

 ::MonkeyAngel::

Janet



A little and then some, Janet.  As I've had the more the man speaks and acts.  Dunno that it has a dang thing to do with Kyron gone missing, and yet... am on board with all who want to know more about the family dynamics in this case.  Wouldn't be at all surprised if we were to find it all entwined down the road.  With Terri at the one end knowing what happened to Kyron, perhaps more.. with the rest of the family at the other end, knowing about the family issues but likely nothing about what Terri may have done with Kyron.  If that makes sense.  I just think at times that Kaine, while truly the grieving father at times, and deserving of that, tends to over-do the sympathy card to the public, while at the same time wants to get the focus back on Kyron, while he/family are the ones taking it off Kyron in the first place.   IMO MOO and all that. 
 



Well now....that's interesting. I seem to remember posters criticizing Kaine for " hiding"  his story with Terri. Posters claiming he didn't want to talk about it.Posters seemed to want all the juicy details, and so did the media. And I seem to remember it was DESIREE who brought it up to answer the question that posters wanted to know....when did Terri come into Kyron's life? So now that these questions were asked by the media....because the public wanted to know...and the questions were answered by both of Kyron's parents, somehow this poor guy is getting blamed for that too.
Kaine asked that the focus stay on Kyron, but somehow that part gets left out.
Wonder why that happens?
I know some posters think Kaine controls the world, but he surely has no control over people who like to gossip and call it searching for a missing child.





Why are you always picking on Wyks posts PDH3? She has every right to post her opinions and I certainly do not see hers being so snarky as yours. JMO


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Patricia Mocha Latte on August 04, 2010, 01:34:31 PM
Curious,
Does anyone have the date that the cousin allegedly began posting on the godlike productions website?

Hi Patricia

I have a hinky feeling about this site and ... the DeDe connection ... the Kyron Horman connection.

Anyways ... it appears that the first pages of the cousin's thread collapsed.  I suspect that it is only a matter of time until the rest of the thread is going to go "poof".

Janet

+++++

MY COUSIN HAS JUST BEEN IMPLICATED IN THE KYRON HORMAN CASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1141412/pg1

TY Janet.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Claycat on August 04, 2010, 01:37:13 PM
anyway if he widowed 15yrs ago, who are these kids in the pic
does this guy look 39

i think this is it jonesr
http://www.facebook.com/people/Tommy-Jones/1702249525

dad
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000437052671&ref=ts

my post so you dont get lost
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8338.msg1198284#msg1198284



CW, he had a son by his first marriage.  Those are his two children from his second marriage which ended in divorce.  He has custody.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: MuffyBee on August 04, 2010, 01:40:51 PM
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub5/moderator%20pics/modlock4.gif)


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: d in texas on August 04, 2010, 01:41:02 PM
An Intel engineer with an analytical mind and awkward social skills, Kaine Horman has been through the unimaginable. First losing his son, then seeking to divorce his wife after learning investigators believe that she allegedly tried to hire someone to kill him. Kaine has said he’s racked with guilt that a person he trusted, Terri Moulton Horman, is possibly involved in his son’s disappearance. What he doesn’t address directly is what he feels about striking up a romance with Terri when his then-wife, Desiree Young, was eight months’ pregnant with Kyron. He does say he and Desiree had already agreed to separate although they were still living together. Nevertheless, the media have portrayed him sympathetically as a tortured father now single-mindedly focused on finding his son. When he’s not being briefed by investigators, consulting with his divorce lawyer, and caring for his 20-month-old daughter, Kiara, he squeezes in time for the media and a few hours of work from home. He also may have found ways of blowing off steam—neighbors report they’ve heard gunfire coming from the property for hours on end.    ::MonkeyEek::  This is part of the article I just posted. Don't know what to think about this so called gunfire from his property. Would a person hunt on their property this time of year? Know not one thing about hunting, and really would rather not know, but just curious.

I live in a more urban area, so it's probably just me, but I find that to be an odd way to "blow off steam." Huh.
I know that is not how I would blow off steam, considering I've never even touched a gun in my life, but maybe people do this?

I am a country girl born and raised, shooting is just like going to play golf, I don't care for guns don't own one, and our farm will never be allowed to shoot anything my mother would string someone up.  But the rest of my family go hunting wild pigs, dove, bambi (I don't like hunting can you tell).  All the boys will go outside set up cans and target practice, hours on end however is a little much.  Like someone said maybe a little exgarated.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: d in texas on August 04, 2010, 01:42:24 PM
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Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Hiding Monkey on August 04, 2010, 01:42:39 PM
FYI-just listening to scanner and police enroute to man walking with young boy who is described to look like Kyron.  Always keeping my hopes up.

http://www.radioreference.com/apps/audio/?action=cwp&ctid=2230


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: sebastian on August 04, 2010, 01:45:00 PM
Did anyone watch Dateline Monday night? It was the story of Scott Cannon from Oregon. LE in Oregon bumbled a case and Cannon spent years in prison. He was recently released and is now suing the powers to be in Oregon. Maybe it sheds some light on why LE is dotting their eyes and crossing their t's before the arrest Terri?

http://salem-news.com/articles/august032010/scott-cannon-tk.php


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: theboyzmom on August 04, 2010, 01:45:07 PM
Curious,
Does anyone have the date that the cousin allegedly began posting on the godlike productions website?

I missed that -= my hubby reads there everyday!


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: d in texas on August 04, 2010, 01:50:08 PM
FYI-just listening to scanner and police enroute to man walking with young boy who is described to look like Kyron.  Always keeping my hopes up.

http://www.radioreference.com/apps/audio/?action=cwp&ctid=2230
Anything?  thank you for the heads up.!!
I somewhat feel sorry for the little boys and parents who do look like Kyron, but surely they understand and realize it is a good thing people are looking.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Hiding Monkey on August 04, 2010, 01:54:26 PM
FYI-just listening to scanner and police enroute to man walking with young boy who is described to look like Kyron.  Always keeping my hopes up.

http://www.radioreference.com/apps/audio/?action=cwp&ctid=2230
Anything?  thank you for the heads up.!!
I somewhat feel sorry for the little boys and parents who do look like Kyron, but surely they understand and realize it is a good thing people are looking.
I'm still listening but nothing yet has come back from the officer taking the call?  I'll keep you posted if I hear anything!


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 04, 2010, 01:58:07 PM
FYI-just listening to scanner and police enroute to man walking with young boy who is described to look like Kyron.  Always keeping my hopes up.

http://www.radioreference.com/apps/audio/?action=cwp&ctid=2230
Anything?  thank you for the heads up.!!
I somewhat feel sorry for the little boys and parents who do look like Kyron, but surely they understand and realize it is a good thing people are looking.

I do not think ... in the process of elimination in the Kyron Horman case ... that parents would mind cooperating.

As I stated in a previous post ... the disappearance of Kyron ... has made me aware that the "Kyron look" is everywhere.

Janet


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Hiding Monkey on August 04, 2010, 02:31:07 PM
FYI-just listening to scanner and police enroute to man walking with young boy who is described to look like Kyron.  Always keeping my hopes up.

http://www.radioreference.com/apps/audio/?action=cwp&ctid=2230
Anything?  thank you for the heads up.!!
I somewhat feel sorry for the little boys and parents who do look like Kyron, but surely they understand and realize it is a good thing people are looking.

I do not think ... in the process of elimination in the Kyron Horman case ... that parents would mind cooperating.

As I stated in a previous post ... the disappearance of Kyron ... has made me aware that the "Kyron look" is everywhere.

Janet

I totally agree with you Janet.  I still haven't heard anything on the call but wanted to share what I'd heard with everyone in the event it was good news. .  I'm one of those people that always try to think positive and hope for a miracle in this case!


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on August 04, 2010, 02:36:27 PM
http://www.kptv.com/news/24499150/detail.html    Updated article


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: klaasend on August 04, 2010, 02:37:10 PM
So there was a KYRON HORMAN OPEN DISCUSSION facebook which moved to the "private" forum.  The admin at the private forum got angry because people copied posts of Anita Kissee and pasted them elsewhere including SM.  I was banned from the private forum.

The KYRON HORMAN OPEN DISCUSSION facebook was deleted.  Now there is a new one, KYRON HORMAN CASE DISCUSSION.  In one of their discussion threads they want to know what happened to the forum.  This is what they posted:

"Cindi's KHOD4KYRON site was shut down by ProBoards on Monday. I was happily posting one minute, and cast out the next. Poof, all of everyone's hard work, gone. From Googling, I've seen that she contacted their support board asking where her forum went and got the stock answer that she/we had violated the Terms of Service. Probably, someone from Terri's support group reported KHOD, but that is just speculation. Members have been showing up other places, and there is a rumor that Cindi will be starting up yet again, but that has not been confirmed by Cindi. Glad I found this board, too!"

http://www.facebook.com/#!/topic.php?uid=141184279244815&topic=197 (http://www.facebook.com/#!/topic.php?uid=141184279244815&topic=197)


My comment......KARMA.  I don't know why anyone would want them shut down though  ::MonkeyCool::





Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Hiding Monkey on August 04, 2010, 02:41:09 PM
What is this world coming to?  Sorry if this has already been posted but I just found it.

http://www.kptv.com/news/24513410/detail.html


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: seemeatthebeach on August 04, 2010, 02:43:11 PM
Curious,
Does anyone have the date that the cousin allegedly began posting on the godlike productions website?

I missed that -= my hubby reads there everyday!


Jonesr
User ID: 1046182
United States
7/23/2010 12:33 PM

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1141412/pg1


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on August 04, 2010, 02:49:36 PM
What is this world coming to?  Sorry if this has already been posted but I just found it.

http://www.kptv.com/news/24513410/detail.html
::MonkeyNoNo::  I swear there is something bad in the air all over the world, so many disgusting things happening.  Klaas thank-you for the info about the Kyron Horman open discussion Facebook.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: klaasend on August 04, 2010, 02:52:12 PM
FYI - DON'T MISS TONIGHT'S DANA PRETZER SHOW!

Wednesday August 4th @ 9pm et
 
Guests.
 
Former DA and Author, NBC news analyst Robin Sax  www.robinsax.com discussing the Kyron Horman case and other high profile cases in the news.
 
 
Blink from the Crime Blog Blink On Crime www.blinkoncrime.com  discussing the Kyron Horman case and other high profile cases in the news.
 
 
 
 
The Dana Pretzer Show
www.scaredmonkeysradio.com





Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Wyks on August 04, 2010, 02:53:03 PM
Here’s the main portion of an email McCain sent:
This morning around 9:00 am I received a telephone call from Mark DeWitt, a 51-year old single farmer who lives in Riddle, Oregon. … When I took his call he expressed relief in “finally talking to a human” after leaving unanswered calls to the MCSO tip line. I told him I no longer worked at MCSO and I am not part of the investigation at all. He understood that but asked me to pass this info along to the authorities.

DeWitt told me he was driving on 99W near Junction City around noon on Wednesday, June 9–the same day Captain Mike Shults delivered his press statement without the families present. DeWitt said a white pick-up truck driven by a female with brown or reddish hair came up fast behind him. He noticed in his rear view mirror that a boy with short dark hair and glasses kept popping his head up in the front seat, only to have the driver push his head down. The pick-up passed DeWitt and turned on a gravel road near an old mill site in or near the town of Monroe, Oregon. DeWitt said the pickup turned onto a side road where it stopped to meet a “cranberry” color sedan from which a heavy set red head female and a male wearing a baseball cap emerged. DeWitt said the pickup driver got out and took the boy into a heavily wooded area where they were followed by the other two–with the male carrying a shovel he removed from the sedan trunk.

<snipped>

http://blogs.wweek.com/news/2010/08/03/kyron-horman-update-one-tipsters-startling-suspicions-and-frustration/

and the post i made about the painting the car, with scoopy and jonser
seems weird
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8338.msg1197727#msg1197727

Went back and re-read this, cuz there were a couple of things that just seems 'odd' to me about it.  A lot of detail to have noticed while driving, as several of you have mentioned.  All that detail seems unusual for a male to notice, let alone say, IMO.   And the color of the sedan.... "cranberry".   

I put towels in our guest bathroom, cranberry and dusty rose.  Trying to get attention from sons for how lovely it all looked, they peeked in and said... 'yeah??  pink and red towels.'   And another time with a combo of seafoam green and dusty rose.  'ok mom, towels. green and pink. they're just for in here, right?'   ::MonkeyRoll::

My point of all this, of course, is to say......... Wouldn't a man have just said, 'red sedan'??   Do we believe this 'tip' is for real?  Or that it was even said by a man?  Maybe if true, perhaps embellished a tad, by someone?   ::MonkeyEek::

Ok.. hope I haven't offended anyone by being 'sexist' or something.  Just an observation of the males I've known in life. 




Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: mediamama on August 04, 2010, 03:00:41 PM
FYI - DON'T MISS TONIGHT'S DANA PRETZER SHOW!

Wednesday August 4th @ 9pm et
 
Guests.
 
Former DA and Author, NBC news analyst Robin Sax  www.robinsax.com discussing the Kyron Horman case and other high profile cases in the news.
 
 
Blink from the Crime Blog Blink On Crime www.blinkoncrime.com  discussing the Kyron Horman case and other high profile cases in the news.
 
 
 
 
The Dana Pretzer Show
www.scaredmonkeysradio.com





Thank you Klaas.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 04, 2010, 03:04:31 PM
So there was a KYRON HORMAN OPEN DISCUSSION facebook which moved to the "private" forum.  The admin at the private forum got angry because people copied posts of Anita Kissee and pasted them elsewhere including SM.  I was banned from the private forum.

The KYRON HORMAN OPEN DISCUSSION facebook was deleted.  Now there is a new one, KYRON HORMAN CASE DISCUSSION.  In one of their discussion threads they want to know what happened to the forum.  This is what they posted:

"Cindi's KHOD4KYRON site was shut down by ProBoards on Monday. I was happily posting one minute, and cast out the next. Poof, all of everyone's hard work, gone. From Googling, I've seen that she contacted their support board asking where her forum went and got the stock answer that she/we had violated the Terms of Service. Probably, someone from Terri's support group reported KHOD, but that is just speculation. Members have been showing up other places, and there is a rumor that Cindi will be starting up yet again, but that has not been confirmed by Cindi. Glad I found this board, too!"

http://www.facebook.com/#!/topic.php?uid=141184279244815&topic=197 (http://www.facebook.com/#!/topic.php?uid=141184279244815&topic=197)

My comment......KARMA.  I don't know why anyone would want them shut down though  ::MonkeyCool::


No explanation???

Janet



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Lucky7 on August 04, 2010, 03:06:47 PM
FYI-just listening to scanner and police enroute to man walking with young boy who is described to look like Kyron.  Always keeping my hopes up.

http://www.radioreference.com/apps/audio/?action=cwp&ctid=2230
Thanks for the heads up when you hear something! then I listen too :)


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: mediamama on August 04, 2010, 03:09:28 PM
Here’s the main portion of an email McCain sent:
This morning around 9:00 am I received a telephone call from Mark DeWitt, a 51-year old single farmer who lives in Riddle, Oregon. … When I took his call he expressed relief in “finally talking to a human” after leaving unanswered calls to the MCSO tip line. I told him I no longer worked at MCSO and I am not part of the investigation at all. He understood that but asked me to pass this info along to the authorities.

DeWitt told me he was driving on 99W near Junction City around noon on Wednesday, June 9–the same day Captain Mike Shults delivered his press statement without the families present. DeWitt said a white pick-up truck driven by a female with brown or reddish hair came up fast behind him. He noticed in his rear view mirror that a boy with short dark hair and glasses kept popping his head up in the front seat, only to have the driver push his head down. The pick-up passed DeWitt and turned on a gravel road near an old mill site in or near the town of Monroe, Oregon. DeWitt said the pickup turned onto a side road where it stopped to meet a “cranberry” color sedan from which a heavy set red head female and a male wearing a baseball cap emerged. DeWitt said the pickup driver got out and took the boy into a heavily wooded area where they were followed by the other two–with the male carrying a shovel he removed from the sedan trunk.

<snipped>

http://blogs.wweek.com/news/2010/08/03/kyron-horman-update-one-tipsters-startling-suspicions-and-frustration/

and the post i made about the painting the car, with scoopy and jonser
seems weird
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8338.msg1197727#msg1197727

Went back and re-read this, cuz there were a couple of things that just seems 'odd' to me about it.  A lot of detail to have noticed while driving, as several of you have mentioned.  All that detail seems unusual for a male to notice, let alone say, IMO.   And the color of the sedan.... "cranberry".   

I put towels in our guest bathroom, cranberry and dusty rose.  Trying to get attention from sons for how lovely it all looked, they peeked in and said... 'yeah??  pink and red towels.'   And another time with a combo of seafoam green and dusty rose.  'ok mom, towels. green and pink. they're just for in here, right?'   ::MonkeyRoll::

My point of all this, of course, is to say......... Wouldn't a man have just said, 'red sedan'??   Do we believe this 'tip' is for real?  Or that it was even said by a man?  Maybe if true, perhaps embellished a tad, by someone?   ::MonkeyEek::

Ok.. hope I haven't offended anyone by being 'sexist' or something.  Just an observation of the males I've known in life. 




Wyks, my husband wouldn't have even said "red sedan," lol - "red car" would suffice for him!

Maybe this guy was being prompted by someone regarding the details...maybe he really did say "red car" during the initial report and was asked "what kind of car was it? SUV? Coupe? Four-door sedan?" - followed up with "was it RED-red, or a dark red, or a pinkish-red?" and the guy said "I dunno, kind of red like a cranberry?"   ::MonkeyWink::

For me, the jury is still out on the veracity of this guy. It does seem like an awful lot for someone to notice in such a short period of time. But I suppose I could see a slower-paced sort of person taking their time to cultivate awareness of details. I just don't know why anyone would make this kind of thing up!


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: d in texas on August 04, 2010, 03:09:40 PM
So there was a KYRON HORMAN OPEN DISCUSSION facebook which moved to the "private" forum.  The admin at the private forum got angry because people copied posts of Anita Kissee and pasted them elsewhere including SM.  I was banned from the private forum.

The KYRON HORMAN OPEN DISCUSSION facebook was deleted.  Now there is a new one, KYRON HORMAN CASE DISCUSSION.  In one of their discussion threads they want to know what happened to the forum.  This is what they posted:

"Cindi's KHOD4KYRON site was shut down by ProBoards on Monday. I was happily posting one minute, and cast out the next. Poof, all of everyone's hard work, gone. From Googling, I've seen that she contacted their support board asking where her forum went and got the stock answer that she/we had violated the Terms of Service. Probably, someone from Terri's support group reported KHOD, but that is just speculation. Members have been showing up other places, and there is a rumor that Cindi will be starting up yet again, but that has not been confirmed by Cindi. Glad I found this board, too!"

http://www.facebook.com/#!/topic.php?uid=141184279244815&topic=197 (http://www.facebook.com/#!/topic.php?uid=141184279244815&topic=197)


My comment......KARMA.  I don't know why anyone would want them shut down though  ::MonkeyCool::




I never saw the board, I know they went to my site quite often just by the hits list.  That is too sad if true, I will say this I really don't understand a lot of what is going on with bans and not wanting to share others thoughts I find it sad and controlling. 
I have been banned from a board for the first time ever got a very nasty email, accused me of spamming, and insulting others I was just trying to participate.  Oh well....
I have learned my lesson to each their own, and as Dorothy said "Their is no place like home".  Will just keep my behind parked in the cage where I am surronded by friendly monkeys and healthy banter!!
Love You All and so glad I have the cage to brain strom in.....
Now back to Kyron....


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Blumonkey on August 04, 2010, 03:12:57 PM
Here’s the main portion of an email McCain sent:
This morning around 9:00 am I received a telephone call from Mark DeWitt, a 51-year old single farmer who lives in Riddle, Oregon. … When I took his call he expressed relief in “finally talking to a human” after leaving unanswered calls to the MCSO tip line. I told him I no longer worked at MCSO and I am not part of the investigation at all. He understood that but asked me to pass this info along to the authorities.

DeWitt told me he was driving on 99W near Junction City around noon on Wednesday, June 9–the same day Captain Mike Shults delivered his press statement without the families present. DeWitt said a white pick-up truck driven by a female with brown or reddish hair came up fast behind him. He noticed in his rear view mirror that a boy with short dark hair and glasses kept popping his head up in the front seat, only to have the driver push his head down. The pick-up passed DeWitt and turned on a gravel road near an old mill site in or near the town of Monroe, Oregon. DeWitt said the pickup turned onto a side road where it stopped to meet a “cranberry” color sedan from which a heavy set red head female and a male wearing a baseball cap emerged. DeWitt said the pickup driver got out and took the boy into a heavily wooded area where they were followed by the other two–with the male carrying a shovel he removed from the sedan trunk.

<snipped>

http://blogs.wweek.com/news/2010/08/03/kyron-horman-update-one-tipsters-startling-suspicions-and-frustration/

and the post i made about the painting the car, with scoopy and jonser
seems weird
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8338.msg1197727#msg1197727

Went back and re-read this, cuz there were a couple of things that just seems 'odd' to me about it.  A lot of detail to have noticed while driving, as several of you have mentioned.  All that detail seems unusual for a male to notice, let alone say, IMO.   And the color of the sedan.... "cranberry".   

I put towels in our guest bathroom, cranberry and dusty rose.  Trying to get attention from sons for how lovely it all looked, they peeked in and said... 'yeah??  pink and red towels.'   And another time with a combo of seafoam green and dusty rose.  'ok mom, towels. green and pink. they're just for in here, right?'   ::MonkeyRoll::

My point of all this, of course, is to say......... Wouldn't a man have just said, 'red sedan'??   Do we believe this 'tip' is for real?  Or that it was even said by a man?  Maybe if true, perhaps embellished a tad, by someone?   ::MonkeyEek::

Ok.. hope I haven't offended anyone by being 'sexist' or something.  Just an observation of the males I've known in life. 



Good catch, Wyks. It is rare for a male to use specific color terminology unless they use it in their line of work such as interior decorator, etc. I don't think that is sexist at all and most men would be the first to agree with you. Mr. DeWitt saw a lot of details in a short period of time !


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Hiding Monkey on August 04, 2010, 03:15:53 PM
FYI-just listening to scanner and police enroute to man walking with young boy who is described to look like Kyron.  Always keeping my hopes up.

http://www.radioreference.com/apps/audio/?action=cwp&ctid=2230
Thanks for the heads up when you hear something! then I listen too :)

Great!  I was thinking maybe we should take shifts!  LOL! It would be great if he was located safely and we Monkeys were the 1st to hear!!  Let me extend a big welcome out to you Lucky7 as I now you're new here!!


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: d in texas on August 04, 2010, 03:16:35 PM
Here’s the main portion of an email McCain sent:
This morning around 9:00 am I received a telephone call from Mark DeWitt, a 51-year old single farmer who lives in Riddle, Oregon. … When I took his call he expressed relief in “finally talking to a human” after leaving unanswered calls to the MCSO tip line. I told him I no longer worked at MCSO and I am not part of the investigation at all. He understood that but asked me to pass this info along to the authorities.

DeWitt told me he was driving on 99W near Junction City around noon on Wednesday, June 9–the same day Captain Mike Shults delivered his press statement without the families present. DeWitt said a white pick-up truck driven by a female with brown or reddish hair came up fast behind him. He noticed in his rear view mirror that a boy with short dark hair and glasses kept popping his head up in the front seat, only to have the driver push his head down. The pick-up passed DeWitt and turned on a gravel road near an old mill site in or near the town of Monroe, Oregon. DeWitt said the pickup turned onto a side road where it stopped to meet a “cranberry” color sedan from which a heavy set red head female and a male wearing a baseball cap emerged. DeWitt said the pickup driver got out and took the boy into a heavily wooded area where they were followed by the other two–with the male carrying a shovel he removed from the sedan trunk.

<snipped>

http://blogs.wweek.com/news/2010/08/03/kyron-horman-update-one-tipsters-startling-suspicions-and-frustration/

and the post i made about the painting the car, with scoopy and jonser
seems weird
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8338.msg1197727#msg1197727

Went back and re-read this, cuz there were a couple of things that just seems 'odd' to me about it.  A lot of detail to have noticed while driving, as several of you have mentioned.  All that detail seems unusual for a male to notice, let alone say, IMO.   And the color of the sedan.... "cranberry".   

I put towels in our guest bathroom, cranberry and dusty rose.  Trying to get attention from sons for how lovely it all looked, they peeked in and said... 'yeah??  pink and red towels.'   And another time with a combo of seafoam green and dusty rose.  'ok mom, towels. green and pink. they're just for in here, right?'   ::MonkeyRoll::

My point of all this, of course, is to say......... Wouldn't a man have just said, 'red sedan'??   Do we believe this 'tip' is for real?  Or that it was even said by a man?  Maybe if true, perhaps embellished a tad, by someone?   ::MonkeyEek::

Ok.. hope I haven't offended anyone by being 'sexist' or something.  Just an observation of the males I've known in life. 



Good catch, Wyks. It is rare for a male to use specific color terminology unless they use it in their line of work such as interior decorator, etc. I don't think that is sexist at all and most men would be the first to agree with you. Mr. DeWitt saw a lot of details in a short period of time !
I think at 51 his heart most likely in the right place?  But kind of liken to the man who saw Casey walking into the woods with a baseball cap and I think (correct me if wrong) a shovel?  Anyway he meant well as well, and think he truly believed what he saw. 


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Lucky7 on August 04, 2010, 03:21:00 PM
d in texas  :)   I like it here at SM too TY :)


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Blonde on August 04, 2010, 03:21:56 PM
Here’s the main portion of an email McCain sent:
This morning around 9:00 am I received a telephone call from Mark DeWitt, a 51-year old single farmer who lives in Riddle, Oregon. … When I took his call he expressed relief in “finally talking to a human” after leaving unanswered calls to the MCSO tip line. I told him I no longer worked at MCSO and I am not part of the investigation at all. He understood that but asked me to pass this info along to the authorities.

DeWitt told me he was driving on 99W near Junction City around noon on Wednesday, June 9–the same day Captain Mike Shults delivered his press statement without the families present. DeWitt said a white pick-up truck driven by a female with brown or reddish hair came up fast behind him. He noticed in his rear view mirror that a boy with short dark hair and glasses kept popping his head up in the front seat, only to have the driver push his head down. The pick-up passed DeWitt and turned on a gravel road near an old mill site in or near the town of Monroe, Oregon. DeWitt said the pickup turned onto a side road where it stopped to meet a “cranberry” color sedan from which a heavy set red head female and a male wearing a baseball cap emerged. DeWitt said the pickup driver got out and took the boy into a heavily wooded area where they were followed by the other two–with the male carrying a shovel he removed from the sedan trunk.

<snipped>

http://blogs.wweek.com/news/2010/08/03/kyron-horman-update-one-tipsters-startling-suspicions-and-frustration/

and the post i made about the painting the car, with scoopy and jonser
seems weird
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8338.msg1197727#msg1197727

Went back and re-read this, cuz there were a couple of things that just seems 'odd' to me about it.  A lot of detail to have noticed while driving, as several of you have mentioned.  All that detail seems unusual for a male to notice, let alone say, IMO.   And the color of the sedan.... "cranberry".   

I put towels in our guest bathroom, cranberry and dusty rose.  Trying to get attention from sons for how lovely it all looked, they peeked in and said... 'yeah??  pink and red towels.'   And another time with a combo of seafoam green and dusty rose.  'ok mom, towels. green and pink. they're just for in here, right?'   ::MonkeyRoll::

My point of all this, of course, is to say......... Wouldn't a man have just said, 'red sedan'??   Do we believe this 'tip' is for real?  Or that it was even said by a man?  Maybe if true, perhaps embellished a tad, by someone?   ::MonkeyEek::

Ok.. hope I haven't offended anyone by being 'sexist' or something.  Just an observation of the males I've known in life. 



Good catch, Wyks. It is rare for a male to use specific color terminology unless they use it in their line of work such as interior decorator, etc. I don't think that is sexist at all and most men would be the first to agree with you. Mr. DeWitt saw a lot of details in a short period of time !


Kyron Horman Update: One Tipster’s Startling Suspicions, and Frustration (Updated with Comment from MCSO)
10:39 AM August 3rd, 2010 by James Pitkin

News |  Email This Post |



Investigators in the case of missing 7-year-old Kyron Horman say they’ve sorted through more than 3,500 tips in the nearly two-month investigation.

Here’s an example of one such tip, forwarded today to WW by former Sheriff’s Capt. Bruce McCain. McCain says he’s brought the tip to investigators’ attention and is told they are finally following up on it.

UPDATE: Lt. Mary Lindstrand, spokeswoman for the Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office, says a detective from an outside agency followed up on the tip “some time ago” and determined it wasn’t relevant to the investigation.

http://blogs.wweek.com/news/2010/08/03/kyron-horman-update-one-tipsters-startling-suspicions-and-frustration/


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Wyks on August 04, 2010, 03:23:59 PM

Sebastian.   ::MonkeyAngel::



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: klaasend on August 04, 2010, 03:30:20 PM
So there was a KYRON HORMAN OPEN DISCUSSION facebook which moved to the "private" forum.  The admin at the private forum got angry because people copied posts of Anita Kissee and pasted them elsewhere including SM.  I was banned from the private forum.

The KYRON HORMAN OPEN DISCUSSION facebook was deleted.  Now there is a new one, KYRON HORMAN CASE DISCUSSION.  In one of their discussion threads they want to know what happened to the forum.  This is what they posted:

"Cindi's KHOD4KYRON site was shut down by ProBoards on Monday. I was happily posting one minute, and cast out the next. Poof, all of everyone's hard work, gone. From Googling, I've seen that she contacted their support board asking where her forum went and got the stock answer that she/we had violated the Terms of Service. Probably, someone from Terri's support group reported KHOD, but that is just speculation. Members have been showing up other places, and there is a rumor that Cindi will be starting up yet again, but that has not been confirmed by Cindi. Glad I found this board, too!"

http://www.facebook.com/#!/topic.php?uid=141184279244815&topic=197 (http://www.facebook.com/#!/topic.php?uid=141184279244815&topic=197)

My comment......KARMA.  I don't know why anyone would want them shut down though  ::MonkeyCool::


No explanation???

Janet



With those free forums, if someone complains that you posted something that violates the TOS then you can get shut down.  I believe that's what they said happened, someone complained.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: d in texas on August 04, 2010, 03:31:06 PM
d in texas  :)   I like it here at SM too TY :)
Your welcome....and glad to have you in the cage.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Wyks on August 04, 2010, 03:31:29 PM
anyway if he widowed 15yrs ago, who are these kids in the pic
does this guy look 39

i think this is it jonesr
http://www.facebook.com/people/Tommy-Jones/1702249525

dad
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000437052671&ref=ts

my post so you dont get lost
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8338.msg1198284#msg1198284



CW, he had a son by his first marriage.  Those are his two children from his second marriage which ended in divorce.  He has custody.

Yeppers, so his oldest is about 15.  Interesting that he got custody of his two from his 2nd marriage.  Seems more and more dads these days are getting custody.  Sure is a change-up from the way it used to be, back in the day.  I've known several dads whose kids would have been far better off placed in their care, instead of their moms. 


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Wyks on August 04, 2010, 03:35:10 PM
Did anyone watch Dateline Monday night? It was the story of Scott Cannon from Oregon. LE in Oregon bumbled a case and Cannon spent years in prison. He was recently released and is now suing the powers to be in Oregon. Maybe it sheds some light on why LE is dotting their eyes and crossing their t's before the arrest Terri?

http://salem-news.com/articles/august032010/scott-cannon-tk.php

Sure could be, Sebastian.  That and the fact that the nation's attention has been turned toward Oregon.  They gotta be feeling the pressure over that, I'd think. 



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: d in texas on August 04, 2010, 03:35:13 PM
So there was a KYRON HORMAN OPEN DISCUSSION facebook which moved to the "private" forum.  The admin at the private forum got angry because people copied posts of Anita Kissee and pasted them elsewhere including SM.  I was banned from the private forum.

The KYRON HORMAN OPEN DISCUSSION facebook was deleted.  Now there is a new one, KYRON HORMAN CASE DISCUSSION.  In one of their discussion threads they want to know what happened to the forum.  This is what they posted:

"Cindi's KHOD4KYRON site was shut down by ProBoards on Monday. I was happily posting one minute, and cast out the next. Poof, all of everyone's hard work, gone. From Googling, I've seen that she contacted their support board asking where her forum went and got the stock answer that she/we had violated the Terms of Service. Probably, someone from Terri's support group reported KHOD, but that is just speculation. Members have been showing up other places, and there is a rumor that Cindi will be starting up yet again, but that has not been confirmed by Cindi. Glad I found this board, too!"

http://www.facebook.com/#!/topic.php?uid=141184279244815&topic=197 (http://www.facebook.com/#!/topic.php?uid=141184279244815&topic=197)

My comment......KARMA.  I don't know why anyone would want them shut down though  ::MonkeyCool::


No explanation???

Janet



With those free forums, if someone complains that you posted something that violates the TOS then you can get shut down.  I believe that's what they said happened, someone complained.
What is that saying be careful what you wish for.... I have seen something really strange occuring on boards, maybe just me but a lot of control freaks wanting focus on them and that isn't what this about, they forget it is about a little boy who is missing.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Wyks on August 04, 2010, 03:43:42 PM

Wyks, my husband wouldn't have even said "red sedan," lol - "red car" would suffice for him!

Maybe this guy was being prompted by someone regarding the details...maybe he really did say "red car" during the initial report and was asked "what kind of car was it? SUV? Coupe? Four-door sedan?" - followed up with "was it RED-red, or a dark red, or a pinkish-red?" and the guy said "I dunno, kind of red like a cranberry?"   ::MonkeyWink::

For me, the jury is still out on the veracity of this guy. It does seem like an awful lot for someone to notice in such a short period of time. But I suppose I could see a slower-paced sort of person taking their time to cultivate awareness of details. I just don't know why anyone would make this kind of thing up!

Good point, mediamama!   ::MonkeyHaHa::

Am betting what you say is true, there may have been a prompting for details.  What could have been a couple of short sentences as 'the tip', may have evolved into several paragraphs full of remembered details.  Guess that doesn't make it untrue.  Didn't think about that, thanks! 

I cannot imagine anyone making stuff up for a tipline.  And then Joy Wray comes to mind.  Eeeeeeeek. 


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Hiding Monkey on August 04, 2010, 03:47:50 PM
I'm going to have to sign off so I won't be able to keep you updated on the scanner updates.  Need to get some things done but will be back later tonight!  Have a good day! ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: FishstickKitty on August 04, 2010, 03:54:49 PM
I'm far too lazy to see if this has been posted already so here it is again...or for the first time..

http://wweek.com/editorial/3639/14358/


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: FishstickKitty on August 04, 2010, 04:02:37 PM
RE: Shooting a gun to relieve stress (from the article I posted previously)

I think this might be odd..but I can tell you I had had an old TV in my barn..and after I was robbed I took the next day off and shot it..VERY stress relieving. It's like giving yourself power back.

so I don't begrudge anyone for doing that.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: d in texas on August 04, 2010, 04:02:54 PM
Did anyone watch Dateline Monday night? It was the story of Scott Cannon from Oregon. LE in Oregon bumbled a case and Cannon spent years in prison. He was recently released and is now suing the powers to be in Oregon. Maybe it sheds some light on why LE is dotting their eyes and crossing their t's before the arrest Terri?

http://salem-news.com/articles/august032010/scott-cannon-tk.php

Sure could be, Sebastian.  That and the fact that the nation's attention has been turned toward Oregon.  They gotta be feeling the pressure over that, I'd think. 


Wyks,
Do you or anyone have links to the supposed human trafficking thing in Portland, that is supposed to be alive and well?


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Wyks on August 04, 2010, 04:04:48 PM

Good catch, Wyks. It is rare for a male to use specific color terminology unless they use it in their line of work such as interior decorator, etc. I don't think that is sexist at all and most men would be the first to agree with you. Mr. DeWitt saw a lot of details in a short period of time !
I think at 51 his heart most likely in the right place?  But kind of liken to the man who saw Casey walking into the woods with a baseball cap and I think (correct me if wrong) a shovel?  Anyway he meant well as well, and think he truly believed what he saw. 

Thanks Blumonkey!  I do think it's women who have more of an eye for details, at times.  And I agree with you and d in texas, a lot of details but I do think he believed in what he saw.  Was likely being careful to remember as much as possible, so when prompted later he could expand on those details.  I can see that happening, as mediamama pointed out.  I'm glad for those who report tips/leads, we need for folks to get involved in that way when they see something like that. 

d in texas, good point on that tip from the one who saw Casey heading into the woods.   Wonder how LE determines whether or not these tips are for real or not?  Even in HaLeigh's case, someone called in a tip having seen someone heading into the woods from a parked car.  Didn't read a follow-up on that by LE. 

Blonde, thanks for the link to the update on that article.  Would really like to ask Lt. Lindstrand if LE could elaborate on why they felt the tip was not 'revelant' to the investigation.  They have a different investigation going on that it may have been more revelant to?   ::MonkeyEek::



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Lucky7 on August 04, 2010, 04:05:15 PM
FYI-just listening to scanner and police enroute to man walking with young boy who is described to look like Kyron.  Always keeping my hopes up.

http://www.radioreference.com/apps/audio/?action=cwp&ctid=2230
Thanks for the heads up when you hear something! then I listen too :)

Great!  I was thinking maybe we should take shifts!  LOL! It would be great if he was located safely and we Monkeys were the 1st to hear!!  Let me extend a big welcome out to you Lucky7 as I now you're new here!!
Thank you! and when I am listening If I hear something (Kyrons name) I will post as well.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Wyks on August 04, 2010, 04:08:10 PM
I'm going to have to sign off so I won't be able to keep you updated on the scanner updates.  Need to get some things done but will be back later tonight!  Have a good day! ::MonkeyWink::

Thanks so much for being on scanner when you can, Hiding Monkey, and for updating!  Hope you have a good day too!   ::dogwag::

 


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Wyks on August 04, 2010, 04:12:15 PM
Did anyone watch Dateline Monday night? It was the story of Scott Cannon from Oregon. LE in Oregon bumbled a case and Cannon spent years in prison. He was recently released and is now suing the powers to be in Oregon. Maybe it sheds some light on why LE is dotting their eyes and crossing their t's before the arrest Terri?

http://salem-news.com/articles/august032010/scott-cannon-tk.php

Sure could be, Sebastian.  That and the fact that the nation's attention has been turned toward Oregon.  They gotta be feeling the pressure over that, I'd think. 


Wyks,
Do you or anyone have links to the supposed human trafficking thing in Portland, that is supposed to be alive and well?

Here's one, d in texas:

http://oregonwomensreport.com/2009/01/human-trafficking-awareness-in-oregon/ (http://oregonwomensreport.com/2009/01/human-trafficking-awareness-in-oregon/)

And another:
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/01/human_trafficking_industry_thr.html (http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/01/human_trafficking_industry_thr.html)



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Wyks on August 04, 2010, 04:14:04 PM
FYI-just listening to scanner and police enroute to man walking with young boy who is described to look like Kyron.  Always keeping my hopes up.

http://www.radioreference.com/apps/audio/?action=cwp&ctid=2230
Thanks for the heads up when you hear something! then I listen too :)

Great!  I was thinking maybe we should take shifts!  LOL! It would be great if he was located safely and we Monkeys were the 1st to hear!!  Let me extend a big welcome out to you Lucky7 as I now you're new here!!
Thank you! and when I am listening If I hear something (Kyrons name) I will post as well.

Another scanner monkey!  Yay!   ::MonkeyDance::

Thanks Lucky7! 



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Scandi on August 04, 2010, 04:19:51 PM

Good catch, Wyks. It is rare for a male to use specific color terminology unless they use it in their line of work such as interior decorator, etc. I don't think that is sexist at all and most men would be the first to agree with you. Mr. DeWitt saw a lot of details in a short period of time !
I think at 51 his heart most likely in the right place?  But kind of liken to the man who saw Casey walking into the woods with a baseball cap and I think (correct me if wrong) a shovel?  Anyway he meant well as well, and think he truly believed what he saw. 

Thanks Blumonkey!  I do think it's women who have more of an eye for details, at times.  And I agree with you and d in texas, a lot of details but I do think he believed in what he saw.  Was likely being careful to remember as much as possible, so when prompted later he could expand on those details.  I can see that happening, as mediamama pointed out.  I'm glad for those who report tips/leads, we need for folks to get involved in that way when they see something like that. 

d in texas, good point on that tip from the one who saw Casey heading into the woods.   Wonder how LE determines whether or not these tips are for real or not?  Even in HaLeigh's case, someone called in a tip having seen someone heading into the woods from a parked car.  Didn't read a follow-up on that by LE. 

Blonde, thanks for the link to the update on that article.  Would really like to ask Lt. Lindstrand if LE could elaborate on why they felt the tip was not 'revelant' to the investigation.  They have a different investigation going on that it may have been more revelant to?   ::MonkeyEek::



Hi Wyks,  I would also include gay men as a small group that might describe color in a more specific way.  Same as how they would describe how to make a recipe in a more specific way than would the average guy.    ::CowboySmiley::

Also as to Lt Lindstrand, it is hard for me to imagine her elaborate on anything.     ::MonkeyNoNo::                             

See y'all tonight with bells on.  Maybe we will learn more this afternoon,  Thanks for keeping us abreast on the new details of the day.   ::HelloKitty::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Wyks on August 04, 2010, 04:20:30 PM

I just want to add.. for those who want more info on the human trafficking industry that is centered in Portland, OR... just go to google and type in the words between the arrows:
------>   human trafficking in portland oregon   <-------

you might be amazed at how MUCH info just pops right up.  Many many MANY links to very good info is there.  Far too much to post here, but surely don't want any of it to be missed.  Incl some good videos. 

Just saying...


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Wyks on August 04, 2010, 04:26:06 PM
http://www.wweek.com/editorial/3639/14358/?SOURCE=RSS&utm_medium=TerriMoultonHorman.com (http://www.wweek.com/editorial/3639/14358/?SOURCE=RSS&utm_medium=TerriMoultonHorman.com)
    Interesting article with a lot of info in it.

Thanks Rosie and anyone else who posted this.  Interesting article, yes. 

"The 14 most important people and things to emerge from the Kyron Horman investigation."


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: seahorse on August 04, 2010, 04:26:26 PM

The Cuz said he is four years younger than DDS? and two years older than her brother? Tom should be around 39.
I am so puzzled with his posts. ::MonkeyTongue::


39 going on 15 judging from his inability to articulate the written word!

Janet

Sometimes, the posts over there reminded me of stupid Casey Anthony and brother Lee's "code talking".

Cuz's "code talk" is very irking.  I wish he would find a woman and get the hay off the internet.  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Lucky7 on August 04, 2010, 04:28:29 PM

I just want to add.. for those who want more info on the human trafficking industry that is centered in Portland, OR... just go to google and type in the words between the arrows:
------>   human trafficking in portland oregon   <-------

you might be amazed at how MUCH info just pops right up.  Many many MANY links to very good info is there.  Far too much to post here, but surely don't want any of it to be missed.  Incl some good videos. 

Just saying...

Human trafficking is more out there than most people know. there are people connected to human trafficking ALL over the world connections. Its really sad and I think alot of missing children do get sold or stolen into this.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Wyks on August 04, 2010, 04:31:03 PM
http://www.katu.com/home/video/99919574.html?video=YHI&t=a

Listen closely to what is said about the questionable timing of the use of the GJ in this case.


Thanks Patricia, I listened to it.  Am trying to understand why the timing is so 'questionable'.  Will listen again.  What are you thinking? 



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Deenie on August 04, 2010, 04:34:02 PM
O/T

Emmett Trapp missing 2 year old boy, Arizona has been found.
He is deceased.  ::MonkeyTears::

not much on the presser.
http://www.kvoa.com/news/missing-northern-arizona-toddler-found-dead/


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: seahorse on August 04, 2010, 04:41:53 PM
http://www.wweek.com/editorial/3639/14358/?SOURCE=RSS&utm_medium=TerriMoultonHorman.com (http://www.wweek.com/editorial/3639/14358/?SOURCE=RSS&utm_medium=TerriMoultonHorman.com)
    Interesting article with a lot of info in it.

Thanks Rosie and anyone else who posted this.  Interesting article, yes. 

"The 14 most important people and things to emerge from the Kyron Horman investigation."


Thank-you, NoRose,   :sunny:



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Wyks on August 04, 2010, 04:42:23 PM

Hi Wyks,  I would also include gay men as a small group that might describe color in a more specific way.  Same as how they would describe how to make a recipe in a more specific way than would the average guy.    ::CowboySmiley::

Also as to Lt Lindstrand, it is hard for me to imagine her elaborate on anything.     ::MonkeyNoNo::                             

See y'all tonight with bells on.  Maybe we will learn more this afternoon,  Thanks for keeping us abreast on the new details of the day.   ::HelloKitty::

Well true, Scandi, and then there's that.   ::MonkeyWink::  Which is why I was careful not to say ALL men are like that.  lol  There are some straight men who just have an eye for details too.  Haven't met any tho.  lol 

I had a maroon van once, very nice shade of maroon, took forever to find it!  The man at DMV, who ran out and checked it, wrote down red.  I pointed out, 'but it's maroon'.  He said, 'no it's red'.  lol.. I said, 'you wouldn't believe how long it took me to find a maroon van, I'd like for the title to say maroon please'.  He said, 'can't do it lady, cuz it's red.'  (it was maroon dagnabit!)   ::MonkeyHaHa::

 
And re the good Lt.  LOLOL  soooooooo true!  Elaboration does not seem to be in her job description.   ::dogwag::



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: mediamama on August 04, 2010, 04:44:11 PM

I just want to add.. for those who want more info on the human trafficking industry that is centered in Portland, OR... just go to google and type in the words between the arrows:
------>   human trafficking in portland oregon   <-------

you might be amazed at how MUCH info just pops right up.  Many many MANY links to very good info is there.  Far too much to post here, but surely don't want any of it to be missed.  Incl some good videos. 

Just saying...


I Googled it, and I remember reading one of the pieces that popped up first from a few months back when it was published...Dan Rather's article on HuffPo. Very eye-opening.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dan-rather/pornland-oregon-child-pro_b_580035.html


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: cw618 on August 04, 2010, 04:47:49 PM
TY clay, i had a file of jonesr posts of his thread
some how i lost it, i think i deleted it, too much work
to compile, for a guy im not sure, anymore what hes talking about
clay post
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8338.msg1198342#msg1198342


wyks there is an update, by LE to the dewitt story, i checked his route
and unless the truck and car, had to go to Jcity, they should have been
farther ahead of him, nowhere near the rest area
so LE prob marked him off as a.........
wyks post
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8338.msg1198385#msg1198385

UPDATE: Lt. Mary Lindstrand, spokeswoman for the Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office, says a detective from an outside agency followed up on the tip “some time ago” and determined it wasn’t relevant to the investigation.
http://blogs.wweek.com/news/2010/08/03/kyron-horman-update-one-tipsters-startling-suspicions-and-frustration/


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: seahorse on August 04, 2010, 04:51:12 PM
http://www.wweek.com/editorial/3639/14358/?SOURCE=RSS&utm_medium=TerriMoultonHorman.com (http://www.wweek.com/editorial/3639/14358/?SOURCE=RSS&utm_medium=TerriMoultonHorman.com)
    Interesting article with a lot of info in it.

Thanks Rosie and anyone else who posted this.  Interesting article, yes. 

"The 14 most important people and things to emerge from the Kyron Horman investigation."


 :smt001

Bruce McCain is the most interesting person out of the 14 important people in my view.  My Monkey ears flop when he is a guest on Jane's show, he is no nonsense and straight to the point, excellent. :smt031



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Lucky7 on August 04, 2010, 04:54:01 PM

I just want to add.. for those who want more info on the human trafficking industry that is centered in Portland, OR... just go to google and type in the words between the arrows:
------>   human trafficking in portland oregon   <-------

you might be amazed at how MUCH info just pops right up.  Many many MANY links to very good info is there.  Far too much to post here, but surely don't want any of it to be missed.  Incl some good videos. 

Just saying...


I Googled it, and I remember reading one of the pieces that popped up first from a few months back when it was published...Dan Rather's article on HuffPo. Very eye-opening.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dan-rather/pornland-oregon-child-pro_b_580035.html

I read that too. Lots of children get stolen and put into sex rings. I have watched documentaries on this subject. Some traffickers are tied to high powered people. It is really sad just heartbreaking. I wish I could do something about it myself. All I can do is pray and hope that someond in the government will put a stop to it.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: seahorse on August 04, 2010, 04:55:48 PM
O/T

Emmett Trapp missing 2 year old boy, Arizona has been found.
He is deceased.  ::MonkeyTears::

not much on the presser.
http://www.kvoa.com/news/missing-northern-arizona-toddler-found-dead/

Thank-you, Deenie!   :smt059 God Bless Emmett's soul.  :smt059
I don't believe in the DP except for Culprits who murder Children.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Wyks on August 04, 2010, 04:56:50 PM

I just want to add.. for those who want more info on the human trafficking industry that is centered in Portland, OR... just go to google and type in the words between the arrows:
------>   human trafficking in portland oregon   <-------

you might be amazed at how MUCH info just pops right up.  Many many MANY links to very good info is there.  Far too much to post here, but surely don't want any of it to be missed.  Incl some good videos. 

Just saying...

Human trafficking is more out there than most people know. there are people connected to human trafficking ALL over the world connections. Its really sad and I think alot of missing children do get sold or stolen into this.

I agree, Lucky.  It's certainly not just in Portland, or in Oregon, or on the West Coast for that matter.  Folks who may not be aware might just be astonished at how prevelant human trafficking has become, across the USA and beyond.  Scary!  And yessss sooo very sad. 


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Wyks on August 04, 2010, 04:59:42 PM

I just want to add.. for those who want more info on the human trafficking industry that is centered in Portland, OR... just go to google and type in the words between the arrows:
------>   human trafficking in portland oregon   <-------

you might be amazed at how MUCH info just pops right up.  Many many MANY links to very good info is there.  Far too much to post here, but surely don't want any of it to be missed.  Incl some good videos. 

Just saying...


I Googled it, and I remember reading one of the pieces that popped up first from a few months back when it was published...Dan Rather's article on HuffPo. Very eye-opening.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dan-rather/pornland-oregon-child-pro_b_580035.html


Very!!  Thanks, mediamama. 



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: d in texas on August 04, 2010, 05:00:17 PM
O/T little Emmit Trapp has been found dead one mile from his home when I get a live link will share at this time all we have is>>
http://www.azfamily.com/home/related/RAW-Press-conference-on-death-of-Dewey-Humboldt-boy-99972234.html


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Gypsy DD on August 04, 2010, 05:06:35 PM
O/T

Emmett Trapp missing 2 year old boy, Arizona has been found.
He is deceased.  ::MonkeyTears::

not much on the presser.
http://www.kvoa.com/news/missing-northern-arizona-toddler-found-dead/

TY Deenie.. Dear Lord..bless this little one's soul.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Blonde on August 04, 2010, 05:08:42 PM
O/T

Emmett Trapp missing 2 year old boy, Arizona has been found.
He is deceased.  ::MonkeyTears::

not much on the presser.
http://www.kvoa.com/news/missing-northern-arizona-toddler-found-dead/
::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: melisb on August 04, 2010, 05:08:56 PM
Who was it the other day saying that there was a TH or DDS friend on our forum?  Poor Claycat now being called out by Jonesr.  Okay Claycat level with us, are you the mole?  Just joking!  Don't snark at me!  Just pointing out coinkydinkys n havin fun!  Claycat was here before all this hullabaloo came about.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 04, 2010, 05:09:35 PM
Missing 2-year-old found dead near Arizona homeBy the CNN Wire Staff
August 4, 2010 4:43 p.m. EDT


(CNN) -- A 2-year-old who went missing from his home in Dewey, Arizona, on Monday night was found dead Wednesday, according to the Yavapai County Sheriff's Office.

The body of Emmett Trapp was found by search and rescue personnel at 11:30 a.m. about one mile from his home.

The site where his body was found is being treated as a crime scene, which the sheriff's office described as "common protocol." The office declined to provide further details.  

Emmett was the second 2-year-old boy to go missing from Yavapai County in 10 days.

His case is believed to be unrelated to the disappearance of Sylar Newton -- another 2-year-old who went missing July 25 from a camping site in Rimrock, Yavapai County Sheriff's Office spokesman Dwight D'Evelyn said Tuesday.

Emmett was reported missing by his mother at 8 p.m. Monday, the sheriff's office said in a news release.

The mother told authorities that she and her four children were at their home in the Dewey-Humboldt area, about 80 miles north of Phoenix. When the mother awoke from a nap Monday evening, Emmett -- last seen wearing a pajama top, diaper and no shoes -- was missing.

The family dog had also apparently wandered off with Emmett, but returned when called. The mother told police she searched around the home and immediate area without success.

The sheriff's office said that as of Tuesday there was "no evidence of foul play associated with the missing child."

http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/08/04/arizona.missing.toddler/



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: cw618 on August 04, 2010, 05:15:37 PM
http://www.kptv.com/news/24513410/detail.html#

Possible Vandalism Found At Kyron Wall Of Hope

POSTED: 11:24 am PDT August 4, 2010
UPDATED: 11:52 am PDT August 4, 2010
PORTLAND, Ore. -- Multnomah County deputies are looking into possible vandalism at the Wall of Hope at Skyline School, where missing 7-year-old Kyron Horman vanished on June 4.

It appeared someone tried to rip down a handmade, laminated banner with the message "Helping Hands for Kyron." The banner came from a Kindercare Center and was originally held up by 14 plastic binder ties.

The Wall of Hope is a display of flowers, supportive messages and other items placed there for Kyron.

Other people who were visiting the Wall of Hope said they were upset about a message someone wrote on a sign. The message read, "I love you daddy. You will see me in another time and place where 'I' Kyron (Special K) is no longer in pain, where 'she' can no longer hurt me. Dad I am safe. I love you pop."
Deputies said they took a report of possible vandalism Tuesday night and they found someone in the area who had mental health issues. The man denied any wrongdoing and wanted to perform his own search for Kyron. Deputies found no evidence that he committed a crime so they did not arrest him.

Denise Smith, a concerned parent visiting the Wall of Hope, said she was skeptical of the message found on the sign.
If someone is trying to play a joke, that's a really sick joke," Smith said. "It kind of infers to a different message."

Kyron has not been seen since June 4.
pics
http://www.kptv.com/image/24513329/detail.html
http://www.kptv.com/image/24513330/detail.html


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: KittyMom on August 04, 2010, 05:24:42 PM
Regarding the report of hearing gunfire on Kaine's property...maybe he's practicing in case there was another hit put on him by TH that investigators don't know about.  Or maybe he's afraid she might come for the baby and he's looking to protect his daughter.  Can't say I blame him.  I'd probably be adding security cameras and motion sensors as well. 


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Lucky7 on August 04, 2010, 05:27:40 PM
verity on GLP explaines the creepy bridge book < shes prob the one scooby aka dede was emailing..

(Very interesting post re kaines grandfather and brother)
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1141412/pg136


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Wyks on August 04, 2010, 05:35:41 PM

wyks there is an update, by LE to the dewitt story, i checked his route
and unless the truck and car, had to go to Jcity, they should have been
farther ahead of him, nowhere near the rest area
so LE prob marked him off as a.........

wyks post
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8338.msg1198385#msg1198385

UPDATE: Lt. Mary Lindstrand, spokeswoman for the Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office, says a detective from an outside agency followed up on the tip “some time ago” and determined it wasn’t relevant to the investigation.
http://blogs.wweek.com/news/2010/08/03/kyron-horman-update-one-tipsters-startling-suspicions-and-frustration/

Thanks CW, I read that link when Blonde posted it earlier.  Thanks for posting it again tho, and I did read again.  Am thinking one puzzling thing for me is that 'the tip' from DeWitt seems to be paraphrased in the email by McCain to the media, and only includes 'snippets' of quotes by DeWitt.  Would like to have read the entire tip from Mr DeWitt in a whole quote, in addition to whatever details he added in later conversations.  Much can be lost in a translation or rewording, IMO.  Not saying I don't believe McCain, or that he embellished the tip while rewording it.   

Anyway, it seems the update is that the tip wasn't found to be relevant to the investigation.  Although including, "a detective from an outside agency followed up on the tip “some time ago”", is rather vaguely vague.  Who was it that followed up?  Not LE.  Which doesn't sit well with me in regards to who is following up on those tips/leads. 

And it seems that they aren't open to the possibility that there may have been a different red-haired woman in a white truck, besides Terri, who could have been the one seen on that day by Mr DeWitt.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

All IMO, JMO.. ya know the drill.  lol


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: New Monkey on August 04, 2010, 05:36:37 PM
O/T little Emmit Trapp has been found dead one mile from his home when I get a live link will share at this time all we have is>>
http://www.azfamily.com/home/related/RAW-Press-conference-on-death-of-Dewey-Humboldt-boy-99972234.html

Awwww!  :*(  He was such a cute little fellah.  Prayers for Emmitt


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: klaasend on August 04, 2010, 05:37:24 PM
verity on GLP explaines the creepy bridge book < shes prob the one scooby aka dede was emailing..

(Very interesting post re kaines grandfather and brother)
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1141412/pg136

Yes we have known about the brother and grandfather since the very beginning.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Wyks on August 04, 2010, 05:41:51 PM
O/T

Emmett Trapp missing 2 year old boy, Arizona has been found.
He is deceased.  ::MonkeyTears::

not much on the presser.
http://www.kvoa.com/news/missing-northern-arizona-toddler-found-dead/

TY Deenie.. Dear Lord..bless this little one's soul.

Awwww    ::MonkeyTears::



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Wyks on August 04, 2010, 05:50:59 PM
http://www.kptv.com/news/24513410/detail.html#

Possible Vandalism Found At Kyron Wall Of Hope

POSTED: 11:24 am PDT August 4, 2010
UPDATED: 11:52 am PDT August 4, 2010
PORTLAND, Ore. -- Multnomah County deputies are looking into possible vandalism at the Wall of Hope at Skyline School, where missing 7-year-old Kyron Horman vanished on June 4.

It appeared someone tried to rip down a handmade, laminated banner with the message "Helping Hands for Kyron." The banner came from a Kindercare Center and was originally held up by 14 plastic binder ties.

The Wall of Hope is a display of flowers, supportive messages and other items placed there for Kyron.

Other people who were visiting the Wall of Hope said they were upset about a message someone wrote on a sign. The message read, "I love you daddy. You will see me in another time and place where 'I' Kyron (Special K) is no longer in pain, where 'she' can no longer hurt me. Dad I am safe. I love you pop."
Deputies said they took a report of possible vandalism Tuesday night and they found someone in the area who had mental health issues. The man denied any wrongdoing and wanted to perform his own search for Kyron. Deputies found no evidence that he committed a crime so they did not arrest him.

Denise Smith, a concerned parent visiting the Wall of Hope, said she was skeptical of the message found on the sign.
If someone is trying to play a joke, that's a really sick joke," Smith said. "It kind of infers to a different message."

Kyron has not been seen since June 4.
pics
http://www.kptv.com/image/24513329/detail.html
http://www.kptv.com/image/24513330/detail.html

Oh jeeeeezzzzz...  ::MonkeyMad::  How is this vandalism not considered crimes???   

And how easily explained away, it seems.  Grrrrrrrr...   :gaah: 



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Scatty on August 04, 2010, 05:53:18 PM
verity on GLP explaines the creepy bridge book < shes prob the one scooby aka dede was emailing..

(Very interesting post re kaines grandfather and brother)
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1141412/pg136

IMO Verity is a Kaine-bashing troll who is trying to make people believe she is Terri with her "inside" info. Not that I think everyone who bashes Kaine is a troll. Verity has an agenda.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on August 04, 2010, 05:53:45 PM
The vandalism could have been done by kids or teens that thought this would be fun to do   ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: cw618 on August 04, 2010, 05:54:28 PM
just saying who knows what dewitt saw
just a funny story about people and shovels and parks

 we are at a park, my bud says are those guys metal detecting,
they were in the trees, so i go look, they are digging a hole
it looks about 2ft when i see it, then i see no metal detector
they see me and bud, so we go into the trees to see whats up
there is a cloth bag/pillow casing, next to them, bud and i
step back a few feet, ready to flee, they could tell we where
 going to run, and started talking
we are burying my dog he loved this area of park, they showed us
a mutt that weighed about 10lb, i know its against the law to
do that, we keep watch for them, while they buried, spiffy


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 04, 2010, 05:55:40 PM
Two weeks following the disappearance of Kyron ... according to a spokesperson for the investigation  ... not Mr. Reliable Source ...  the pick up had not been towed away as part of the investigation.  WHY NOT?

Janet

++++

The Step-Mom, the Truck and the Uncle: The Latest on Kyron Horman
4:23 PM June 18th, 2010 by James Pitkin


At the press conference, Lt. Jason Gates of the Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office said, “We aren’t in a position to talk about suspects.”

Gates said Horman’s picture is in the flier to help people who were at the school recall more details. Almost all of those people have already been interviewed by law enforcement, Gates said.

“In developing leads, sometimes in jogging people’s memories, it’s other things about that day or what was going on around them that will jog that memory,” Gates said.

Gates acknowledged the Hormans’ pickup was towed away from the family’s house at some point after Kyron disappeared. Gates said it was towed by the family for “mechanical reasons,” not as part of the investigation.

http://blogs.wweek.com/news/2010/06/18/the-step-mom-the-truck-and-the-uncle-the-latest-on-kyron-horman/




Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: cw618 on August 04, 2010, 05:56:44 PM
The vandalism could have been done by kids or teens that thought this would be fun to do   ::MonkeyNoNo::

yep kids can be cruel and insensitive


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Blonde on August 04, 2010, 06:02:08 PM

wyks there is an update, by LE to the dewitt story, i checked his route
and unless the truck and car, had to go to Jcity, they should have been
farther ahead of him, nowhere near the rest area
so LE prob marked him off as a.........

wyks post
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8338.msg1198385#msg1198385

UPDATE: Lt. Mary Lindstrand, spokeswoman for the Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office, says a detective from an outside agency followed up on the tip “some time ago” and determined it wasn’t relevant to the investigation.
http://blogs.wweek.com/news/2010/08/03/kyron-horman-update-one-tipsters-startling-suspicions-and-frustration/

Thanks CW, I read that link when Blonde posted it earlier.  Thanks for posting it again tho, and I did read again.  Am thinking one puzzling thing for me is that 'the tip' from DeWitt seems to be paraphrased in the email by McCain to the media, and only includes 'snippets' of quotes by DeWitt.  Would like to have read the entire tip from Mr DeWitt in a whole quote, in addition to whatever details he added in later conversations.  Much can be lost in a translation or rewording, IMO.  Not saying I don't believe McCain, or that he embellished the tip while rewording it.   

Anyway, it seems the update is that the tip wasn't found to be relevant to the investigation.  Although including, "a detective from an outside agency followed up on the tip “some time ago”", is rather vaguely vague.  Who was it that followed up?  Not LE.  Which doesn't sit well with me in regards to who is following up on those tips/leads. 

And it seems that they aren't open to the possibility that there may have been a different red-haired woman in a white truck, besides Terri, who could have been the one seen on that day by Mr DeWitt.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

All IMO, JMO.. ya know the drill.  lol


 I think I read that it was 90 miles away so it wouldn't fit into her day?
I can't find where I saw this sorry my head hurts today.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: klaasend on August 04, 2010, 06:09:28 PM

wyks there is an update, by LE to the dewitt story, i checked his route
and unless the truck and car, had to go to Jcity, they should have been
farther ahead of him, nowhere near the rest area
so LE prob marked him off as a.........

wyks post
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8338.msg1198385#msg1198385

UPDATE: Lt. Mary Lindstrand, spokeswoman for the Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office, says a detective from an outside agency followed up on the tip “some time ago” and determined it wasn’t relevant to the investigation.
http://blogs.wweek.com/news/2010/08/03/kyron-horman-update-one-tipsters-startling-suspicions-and-frustration/

Thanks CW, I read that link when Blonde posted it earlier.  Thanks for posting it again tho, and I did read again.  Am thinking one puzzling thing for me is that 'the tip' from DeWitt seems to be paraphrased in the email by McCain to the media, and only includes 'snippets' of quotes by DeWitt.  Would like to have read the entire tip from Mr DeWitt in a whole quote, in addition to whatever details he added in later conversations.  Much can be lost in a translation or rewording, IMO.  Not saying I don't believe McCain, or that he embellished the tip while rewording it.   

Anyway, it seems the update is that the tip wasn't found to be relevant to the investigation.  Although including, "a detective from an outside agency followed up on the tip “some time ago”", is rather vaguely vague.  Who was it that followed up?  Not LE.  Which doesn't sit well with me in regards to who is following up on those tips/leads. 

And it seems that they aren't open to the possibility that there may have been a different red-haired woman in a white truck, besides Terri, who could have been the one seen on that day by Mr DeWitt.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

All IMO, JMO.. ya know the drill.  lol


 I think I read that it was 90 miles away so it wouldn't fit into her day?
I can't find where I saw this sorry my head hurts today.

Actually my problem with the sighting is that it happened on June 9th, 5 days after Kyron went missing.  Surely by June 9th Terri was being closely watched.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Wyks on August 04, 2010, 06:09:52 PM
just saying who knows what dewitt saw
just a funny story about people and shovels and parks

 we are at a park, my bud says are those guys metal detecting,
they were in the trees, so i go look, they are digging a hole
it looks about 2ft when i see it, then i see no metal detector
they see me and bud, so we go into the trees to see whats up
there is a cloth bag/pillow casing, next to them, bud and i
step back a few feet, ready to flee, they could tell we where
 going to run, and started talking
we are burying my dog he loved this area of park, they showed us
a mutt that weighed about 10lb, i know its against the law to
do that, we keep watch for them, while they buried, spiffy

Awwww.. poor spiffy.  You have a good heart, CW.   ::MonkeyAngel::


Have to say, I can just see you and bud, behind one tree then the next, checking this out at first.   ::MonkeyDevil::



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: cw618 on August 04, 2010, 06:10:31 PM
Quote
blondie
I think I read that it was 90 miles away so it wouldn't fit into her day?
I can't find where I saw this sorry my head hurts today.
 


yes i mapped it, and it was 90 something, round trip 4hrs, bury something in say
a 3ft-4ft hole 2.5 hrs
i can hear kaine now, what ya been doing for 8hrs today
TH reply; shopping the gym, ya know just stuff
naw didnt happen, dont know what dewitt saw, but im thinking not TH


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 04, 2010, 06:10:38 PM
Two official spokesperson for the investigation affirmed that Kristian Horman was being investigated in regards to the Kyron Horman case.

Janet
++++++

Kristian Korman

Kyron Horman Update: Details emerge about Kyron’s uncle charged in child molestation case
June 23, 2:27 PM


Details about the molestation

.... According to court records, on October 24, 2008, Kristian invited a 15-year-old girl to sleep in his bed. His ex-girlfriend was not home at the time of the molestation.

Kristian "massaged her back" and then began "rubbing her crotch."

The girl knew what Kristian was doing was wrong, left the bed, and called her mother.

Kristian apologized at the time. He first told police he was asleep and couldn’t remember what happened, but finally confessed. Court records indicate he was trying to arouse and initiate relations with the 15-year-old.

Cases related?

According to Snohomish County Prosecutor Hal Hupp, the cases are not related and Kristian’s recent jail sentence had nothing to do with Kyron.

“The child molestation case occurred two years ago and the uncle was just found guilty and jailed on June 16,” Hupp said. “Kyron was not the molested child in that case.”

When asked if Kristian Horman’s child molestation conviction in Seattle, Wash., was part of the investigation in Kyron’s case in Portland, Multnomah County Sheriff’s office spokeswoman, Lt. Mary Lindstand, said, “Yes, I can say that it is part of the investigation

http://www.examiner.com/x-34328-Seattle-Headlines-Examiner~y2010m6d23-Kyron-Horman-Update-Details-emerge-about-Kyrons-uncle-charged-in-child-molestation-case


The Step-Mom, the Truck and the Uncle: The Latest on Kyron Horman
4:23 PM June 18th, 2010 by James Pitkin


At the press conference, Lt. Jason Gates of the Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office said, “We aren’t in a position to talk about suspects.” .....

In a bizarre but unrelated development, Gates also confirmed online reports that a man recently convicted in the Seattle area for child molestation is Kyron’s uncle.

On Wednesday, Kristian Horman was convicted of third-degree child molestation in connection with a 2008 case and was booked into jail on a three-month sentence. Authorities in Snohomish County, Wash., have confirmed the victim in that case was a female relative.

Gates said investigators are working with authorities there to establish where Kristian Horman was on the day Kyron vanished.

http://blogs.wweek.com/news/2010/06/18/the-step-mom-the-truck-and-the-uncle-the-latest-on-kyron-horman/




Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Scatty on August 04, 2010, 06:10:46 PM
Two weeks following the disappearance of Kyron ... according to a spokesperson for the investigation  ... not Mr. Reliable Source ...  the pick up had not been towed away as part of the investigation.  WHY NOT?

Janet

++++

The Step-Mom, the Truck and the Uncle: The Latest on Kyron Horman
4:23 PM June 18th, 2010 by James Pitkin


At the press conference, Lt. Jason Gates of the Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office said, “We aren’t in a position to talk about suspects.”

Gates said Horman’s picture is in the flier to help people who were at the school recall more details. Almost all of those people have already been interviewed by law enforcement, Gates said.

“In developing leads, sometimes in jogging people’s memories, it’s other things about that day or what was going on around them that will jog that memory,” Gates said.

Gates acknowledged the Hormans’ pickup was towed away from the family’s house at some point after Kyron disappeared. Gates said it was towed by the family for “mechanical reasons,” not as part of the investigation.

http://blogs.wweek.com/news/2010/06/18/the-step-mom-the-truck-and-the-uncle-the-latest-on-kyron-horman/




I sincerely hope LE had towed it away FIRST, to look for possible evidence. If not,  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: AZSunny on August 04, 2010, 06:13:06 PM
O/T

Emmett Trapp missing 2 year old boy, Arizona has been found.
He is deceased.  ::MonkeyTears::

not much on the presser.
http://www.kvoa.com/news/missing-northern-arizona-toddler-found-dead/

Dennie, Local news says he was found about 1 mile from his home.  No other details.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Gypsy DD on August 04, 2010, 06:16:14 PM
Regarding the report of hearing gunfire on Kaine's property...maybe he's practicing in case there was another hit put on him by TH that investigators don't know about.  Or maybe he's afraid she might come for the baby and he's looking to protect his daughter.  Can't say I blame him.  I'd probably be adding security cameras and motion sensors as well. 

Interesting thoughts..I also thought..because we have heard of no guns in the Korman home..that he has purchased one since moving back in..for protection.. I also have thought that Desiree and Tony may be staying there now..when this disappearance first happened they stayed with them..then Desiree and Tony moved out because of Terri's behavior (really if my bio son was missing ..I could only take so much, very little, of listening to Terri about her failed polys, haircolor disaster, etc).  It could be that Kaine is target practicing with Tony to be able to protect himself and his daughter.   At this point in the investigation we do not know what Terri or her friends, outlaw group, LSL, it goes on and on ..are capable of.  Me..I own no guns..but in this situation..I might purchase one..because if Terri had help or helpers..who knows what they are capable of if they are involved with Kyrons disappearance?

Or who knows what the public at large may be capable of..if they are not seeing Kaine's side of the story.


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Wyks on August 04, 2010, 06:17:56 PM

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Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 04, 2010, 06:18:56 PM

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Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: sassifrass on August 04, 2010, 06:19:20 PM
http://www.kptv.com/news/24513410/detail.html#

Possible Vandalism Found At Kyron Wall Of Hope

POSTED: 11:24 am PDT August 4, 2010
UPDATED: 11:52 am PDT August 4, 2010
PORTLAND, Ore. -- Multnomah County deputies are looking into possible vandalism at the Wall of Hope at Skyline School, where missing 7-year-old Kyron Horman vanished on June 4.

It appeared someone tried to rip down a handmade, laminated banner with the message "Helping Hands for Kyron." The banner came from a Kindercare Center and was originally held up by 14 plastic binder ties.

The Wall of Hope is a display of flowers, supportive messages and other items placed there for Kyron.

Other people who were visiting the Wall of Hope said they were upset about a message someone wrote on a sign. The message read, "I love you daddy. You will see me in another time and place where 'I' Kyron (Special K) is no longer in pain, where 'she' can no longer hurt me. Dad I am safe. I love you pop."
Deputies said they took a report of possible vandalism Tuesday night and they found someone in the area who had mental health issues. The man denied any wrongdoing and wanted to perform his own search for Kyron. Deputies found no evidence that he committed a crime so they did not arrest him.

Denise Smith, a concerned parent visiting the Wall of Hope, said she was skeptical of the message found on the sign.
If someone is trying to play a joke, that's a really sick joke," Smith said. "It kind of infers to a different message."

Kyron has not been seen since June 4.
pics
http://www.kptv.com/image/24513329/detail.html
http://www.kptv.com/image/24513330/detail.html

That is so f****** horrible!  ::MonkeyTears::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Wyks on August 04, 2010, 06:19:53 PM

Well.. if it were me, I'd be getting a gun and doing target practice.   ::rhino::



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: cw618 on August 04, 2010, 06:19:59 PM
Two weeks following the disappearance of Kyron ... according to a spokesperson for the investigation  ... not Mr. Reliable Source ...  the pick up had not been towed away as part of the investigation.  WHY NOT?

Janet

++++

The Step-Mom, the Truck and the Uncle: The Latest on Kyron Horman
4:23 PM June 18th, 2010 by James Pitkin


At the press conference, Lt. Jason Gates of the Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office said, “We aren’t in a position to talk about suspects.”

Gates said Horman’s picture is in the flier to help people who were at the school recall more details. Almost all of those people have already been interviewed by law enforcement, Gates said.

“In developing leads, sometimes in jogging people’s memories, it’s other things about that day or what was going on around them that will jog that memory,” Gates said.

Gates acknowledged the Hormans’ pickup was towed away from the family’s house at some point after Kyron disappeared. Gates said it was towed by the family for “mechanical reasons,” not as part of the investigation.

http://blogs.wweek.com/news/2010/06/18/the-step-mom-the-truck-and-the-uncle-the-latest-on-kyron-horman/




I sincerely hope LE had towed it away FIRST, to look for possible evidence. If not,  ::MonkeyNoNo::

wonder if TH picked the truck up, then made a stop to have it detailed
IDK, if TH did something to kyron, it prob was not in the truck, and kyron
has road in that truck how many times, his dna would be all over the truck


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Wyks on August 04, 2010, 06:24:53 PM

Pushinggggggggggggg to page 50, so we can jump into the next cage.  lol 

 ::piggy::



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Wyks on August 04, 2010, 06:26:54 PM
Two weeks following the disappearance of Kyron ... according to a spokesperson for the investigation  ... not Mr. Reliable Source ...  the pick up had not been towed away as part of the investigation.  WHY NOT?

Janet

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The Step-Mom, the Truck and the Uncle: The Latest on Kyron Horman
4:23 PM June 18th, 2010 by James Pitkin


At the press conference, Lt. Jason Gates of the Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office said, “We aren’t in a position to talk about suspects.”

Gates said Horman’s picture is in the flier to help people who were at the school recall more details. Almost all of those people have already been interviewed by law enforcement, Gates said.

“In developing leads, sometimes in jogging people’s memories, it’s other things about that day or what was going on around them that will jog that memory,” Gates said.

Gates acknowledged the Hormans’ pickup was towed away from the family’s house at some point after Kyron disappeared. Gates said it was towed by the family for “mechanical reasons,” not as part of the investigation.

http://blogs.wweek.com/news/2010/06/18/the-step-mom-the-truck-and-the-uncle-the-latest-on-kyron-horman/




I sincerely hope LE had towed it away FIRST, to look for possible evidence. If not,  ::MonkeyNoNo::

I would sure think so, Scatty.  And if not, why not?  Seems LE had their eye on Terri earlier than was apparent to the public at first.



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: sassifrass on August 04, 2010, 06:27:31 PM

Pushinggggggggggggg to page 50, so we can jump into the next cage.  lol 

 ::piggy::



Wyks, I love your posts! You are so genuine!  ::MonkeyCheer4::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Wyks on August 04, 2010, 06:28:48 PM
Two weeks following the disappearance of Kyron ... according to a spokesperson for the investigation  ... not Mr. Reliable Source ...  the pick up had not been towed away as part of the investigation.  WHY NOT?

Janet

++++

The Step-Mom, the Truck and the Uncle: The Latest on Kyron Horman
4:23 PM June 18th, 2010 by James Pitkin


At the press conference, Lt. Jason Gates of the Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office said, “We aren’t in a position to talk about suspects.”

Gates said Horman’s picture is in the flier to help people who were at the school recall more details. Almost all of those people have already been interviewed by law enforcement, Gates said.

“In developing leads, sometimes in jogging people’s memories, it’s other things about that day or what was going on around them that will jog that memory,” Gates said.

Gates acknowledged the Hormans’ pickup was towed away from the family’s house at some point after Kyron disappeared. Gates said it was towed by the family for “mechanical reasons,” not as part of the investigation.

http://blogs.wweek.com/news/2010/06/18/the-step-mom-the-truck-and-the-uncle-the-latest-on-kyron-horman/




I sincerely hope LE had towed it away FIRST, to look for possible evidence. If not,  ::MonkeyNoNo::

wonder if TH picked the truck up, then made a stop to have it detailed
IDK, if TH did something to kyron, it prob was not in the truck, and kyron
has road in that truck how many times, his dna would be all over the truck

Yeah true CW, that dna would have been.  Am thinking LE would have been interested in dirt samples from the tires, dents, any twigs hanging off the truck, etc. 


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 04, 2010, 06:28:53 PM

Pushinggggggggggggg to page 50, so we can jump into the next cage.  lol 

 ::piggy::




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Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Wyks on August 04, 2010, 06:30:06 PM

Pushinggggggggggggg to page 50, so we can jump into the next cage.  lol 

 ::piggy::



Wyks, I love your posts! You are so genuine!  ::MonkeyCheer4::

Awwww, thanks sassifrass!   ::MonkeyAngel::



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 04, 2010, 06:32:14 PM
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Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Lucky7 on August 04, 2010, 06:32:34 PM
verity on GLP explaines the creepy bridge book < shes prob the one scooby aka dede was emailing..

(Very interesting post re kaines grandfather and brother)
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1141412/pg136

Yes we have known about the brother and grandfather since the very beginning.
thank you. sorry I missed that part of it.:(


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: sassifrass on August 04, 2010, 06:33:22 PM

Pushinggggggggggggg to page 50, so we can jump into the next cage.  lol 

 ::piggy::



Wyks, I love your posts! You are so genuine!  ::MonkeyCheer4::

Awwww, thanks sassifrass!   ::MonkeyAngel::



Yw! My cat likes to jump up by my computer screen and they always poke at your avatar!

I know... off subject. Just wanted to tell you.  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Lucky7 on August 04, 2010, 06:35:00 PM
verity on GLP explaines the creepy bridge book < shes prob the one scooby aka dede was emailing..

(Very interesting post re kaines grandfather and brother)
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1141412/pg136

Yes we have known about the brother and grandfather since the very beginning.
thank you. sorry I missed that part of it.:(
well not about the GF or brother just about the books he wrote and was gonna write about terri the red sqrl


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Wyks on August 04, 2010, 06:36:07 PM

Pushinggggggggggggg to page 50, so we can jump into the next cage.  lol 

 ::piggy::



Wyks, I love your posts! You are so genuine!  ::MonkeyCheer4::

Awwww, thanks sassifrass!   ::MonkeyAngel::



Yw! My cat likes to jump up by my computer screen and they always poke at your avatar!

I know... off subject. Just wanted to tell you.  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Awww how cute, thanks!   ::MonkeyHaHa::



Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Lucky7 on August 04, 2010, 06:37:21 PM
snipped from glp just now verity -just some of her post said...

When Kyron went missing and the names of the parents were released,I looked them up on FB...Their pages were not private at that time,on Kaines I saw he liked heavy metal music and he liked WOW,he also had MANY photos of men who were bodybuilders...Terri's pages were ,how can I put this??? Hmmmm. her's were a bit boring,family pics and she supported child abuse groups,and Family Feud ,generally house wife and mother stuff..animal rights groups,she even liked Toys R Us the day before or the day of Kyron's disappearance...

I saw Terris FB but not Kaines so thats interesting. If Im posting stuff you guys already know please forgive me as Im new to sm. :)
this person above post was very long she seems to know some things..


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: Mary on August 04, 2010, 06:43:35 PM
where is the change???????


Title: Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13 8/02/10 -
Post by: klaasend on August 04, 2010, 06:44:31 PM
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Please move to Kyron #14

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8345.0