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Title: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 - 9/12/2010
Post by: San on July 31, 2010, 02:45:33 PM
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JUSTICE FOR NATALEE AND STEPHANY!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Magnolia on August 29, 2010, 04:48:24 PM
Well, shoot!   I'm not first.....I'm just the only one here. ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: klaasend on August 29, 2010, 04:55:42 PM
I'm back and forth  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Can you believe that photo Jan Brennan uses?  Can't she do better than that?  Seriously? 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Magnolia on August 29, 2010, 05:09:12 PM
I'm back and forth  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Can you believe that photo Jan Brennan uses?  Can't she do better than that?  Seriously? 


I have never been able to understand her using that horrible picture.  But, every picture I have ever seen
of her looks just about as bad.
Maybe that is as good as it gets with her. ::MonkeyDevil::
She could just use a smiley face for heaven's sake.  It would be better than that thing. :P


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Jonathan45 on August 29, 2010, 05:10:09 PM


Sam Redman aka Polemic aka Roger from 'Scrux One' and Jan Brennan aka medleyrelay are the organizers of the horrorfying aftermath of Jorans beachparty, that has become an endless looptape of a beachlie started by the only perpetrator in this case at 2.26am when he called Deepak at his home the night Natalee vanished.
When a crime occur you have two scenario's to investigate.
A- Was there one perpatrator ?
B- Were there two or more perpetrators ?

The timeline during those nightly hours was created by Joran.
His dad wasn't at home that night. That's why my 'Bike and Babysit' scenario [Scrux] was total crap according to Sam Redman, Jan Brennan and many others.
In his book, published in 2007, Joran wrote about being the only perpetrator.
He stated that you have to be a professional killer to kill Natalee and dispose of her body within an hour. And secondly you must be very very sick to kill someone and watching a pornmovie afterwards and goiing to school the next day as usual.[page 93]

Maybe it's time for Scared Monkeys to put scenario A into the spotlight.
let's make an end to Jorans beachparty.  Don't become a Joran troll.

Dead daddy Paulus wasn't asleep the night his son raped [ no codom] and killed Natalee in his apartment after they were dropped off by the Kalpoe brothers.
He wasn't even at home.

The remains of Natalee still can be found !


To be continued


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: klaasend on August 29, 2010, 05:15:41 PM
J45 - where do you think they put Natalee's body? 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Magnolia on August 29, 2010, 05:21:18 PM


Sam Redman aka Polemic aka Roger from 'Scrux One' and Jan Brennan aka medleyrelay are the organizers of the horrorfying aftermath of Jorans beachparty, that has become an endless looptape of a beachlie started by the only perpetrator in this case at 2.26am when he called Deepak at his home the night Natalee vanished.
When a crime occur you have two scenario's to investigate.
A- Was there one perpatrator ?
B- Were there two or more perpetrators ?

The timeline during those nightly hours was created by Joran.
His dad wasn't at home that night. That's why my 'Bike and Babysit' scenario [Scrux] was total crap according to Sam Redman, Jan Brennan and many others.
In his book, published in 2007, Joran wrote about being the only perpetrator.
He stated that you have to be a professional killer to kill Natalee and dispose of her body within an hour. And secondly you must be very very sick to kill someone and watching a pornmovie afterwards and goiing to school the next day as usual.[page 93]

Maybe it's time for Scared Monkeys to put scenario A into the spotlight.
let's make an end to Jorans beachparty.  Don't become a Joran troll.

Dead daddy Paulus wasn't asleep the night his son raped [ no codom] and killed Natalee in his apartment after they were dropped off by the Kalpoe brothers.
He wasn't even at home.

The remains of Natalee still can be found !


To be continued


Why would Joran not have used one of the family vehicles to dispose of a dead Natalee?
We know he could drive.   I just can't see him (or anybody) taking a body on a bicycle.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: texasmom on August 29, 2010, 05:27:44 PM
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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Magnolia on August 29, 2010, 05:29:18 PM
Come to think of it.............I have never seen a picture of Joran driving a car.  He had the bicycle
in Holland and the motorcycle in Thailand and he is always being driven by others on Aruba.
He hired Taxi drivers in Peru.

What's up with that?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Jonathan45 on August 29, 2010, 06:09:28 PM
Joran used Valentijn's mountainbike at the same time Valentijn was on the familycomputer at 2.26am, the room next to Paulus bedroom.
He used the bike to bring the crimescene from the VDSresidence to the beach area by confusing and framing Deepak by calling him.
At 10.30pm the evening before Joran logged in onto the computer. He was picked up by Paulus at 10.15-1020pm at McDonalds. Valentijn was babysitting and Joran had to replace him as the older brother in the house.
Paulus went back to a casino. The Marriott ?
Ask by email Rick Zeola, the former manager [ now transferred to Egypt]  or his wife, close friends of de VDSfamily.. That family took care of Sebastiaan that afternoon.
There is one witness [ a woman] who saw the red Jeep of Paulus returning to the VDSresidence at 4.00am the nigt Natalee disappeared. She could not see who was driving.

@ Klaasend

The new soccerfield [ in may 2005 under construction] very close to Montanja 19 and two dumpspots within 700 meters from the VDShome in Cunucu, Joran's playground when he was a kid.

to be continued


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on August 29, 2010, 07:08:54 PM
So Jonathan45.How did Joran transport a body on a bike?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Magnolia on August 29, 2010, 07:11:54 PM
I just read that Glenda says that Satish has gotten married!!!!  So she has heard. ::monkeywine2::

Since he is married to an Aruban, the Visa issue is simplified and he can come and go from Aruba.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 29, 2010, 08:01:55 PM
FLASHBACK - AUGUST 29, 2005

A Catastrophic Blow!

New Orleans braces for monster hurricane
Crescent City under evacuation; storm may overwhelm levees
Monday, August 29, 2005; Posted: 12:10 a.m. EDT (04:10 GMT)


NEW ORLEANS, Louisiana (CNN) -- New Orleans braced for a catastrophic blow from Hurricane Katrina overnight, as forecasters predicted the Category 5 storm could drive a wall of water over the city's levees.

The huge storm, packing 160 mph winds, is expected to hit the northern Gulf Coast in the next nine hours and make landfall as a Category 4 or 5 hurricane Monday morning.

The National Hurricane Center reports that conditions are already deteriorating along the central and northeastern coast. (Watch video to see the worst case scenario)

New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin declared a state of emergency Sunday and ordered a mandatory evacuation of the city. (Watch video of mayor's announcement)

"This is a threat that we've never faced before," Nagin said. "If we galvanize and gather around each other, I'm sure we will get through this."

He exempted essential federal, state, and local personnel; emergency and utility workers; transit workers; media; hotel workers; and patrons from the evacuation order.

About 1.3 million people live in New Orleans and its suburbs, and many began evacuating before sunrise. (Watch video to see who's staying and who's leaving)

Nagin estimated that nearly 1 million people had fled the city and its surrounding parishes by Sunday night. (Watch time lapse video of the evacuation)

Between 20,000 and 25,000 others who remained in the city lined up to take shelter in the Louisiana Superdome, lining up for what authorities warned would be an unpleasant day and a half at minimum.

City officials told stranded tourists to stay on third-floor levels or higher and away from windows. (See video from New Orleans, a city below sea level)

Louisiana Gov. Kathleen Blanco said that New Orleans could expect a complete loss of electricity and water services as well as intense flooding.

"We know we're going to have property damage," she told CNN's "Larry King Live." "We know we're going to have high wind damage. We're hoping we're not going to lose a lot of lives."

About 70 percent of New Orleans is below sea level, and is protected from the Mississippi River by a series of levees. (Full story)

Forecasters predicted the storm surge could reach 28 feet; the highest levees around New Orleans are 18 feet high.

Hurricane-force winds extend 105 miles from the center of the mammoth storm and tropical storm-force winds extend outward up to 230 miles. It is the most powerful storm to menace the central Gulf Coast in decades.

Isolated tornadoes are also possible Sunday across southern portions of Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama and the Florida Panhandle, forecasters said.

Federal Emergency Management Agency teams and other emergency teams were in place to move in as soon as the storm was over, FEMA Undersecretary Michael Brown said.

Katrina is blamed for at least seven deaths in Florida, where it made landfall Thursday as a Category 1 hurricane. As much as 18 inches of rain fell in some areas, flooding streets and homes. (See video of the damage floodwaters left in one family's new house)

At midnight ET, Katrina was centered about 90 miles south of the mouth of the Mississippi River. It was moving to the northwest at about 10 mph.

National Hurricane Center Director Max Mayfield said: "There's certainly a chance it can weaken a bit before it gets to the coast, but unfortunately this is so large and so powerful that it's a little bit like the difference between being run over by an 18-wheeler or a freight train. Neither prospect is good." (Watch Mayfield's assessment of Katrina)

Bush issues disaster declarations

President Bush announced Sunday that he had issued disaster declarations for Louisiana, Mississippi and parts of southern Florida. The declaration for Miami-Dade and Broward counties in Florida will allow residents there to apply for federal disaster aid.

"We'll do everything in our power to help the people and communities affected by this storm," he said.

The president urged anyone in the storm's path "to put their own safety and the safety of their families first by moving to safe ground."

Jesse St. Amant, the emergency management chief for Louisiana's southernmost Plaquemines Parish, said nearly 95 percent of the parish's 27,000-plus residents had fled by Sunday afternoon. Those who remained were being told that they are "gambling with their own lives."

"I think they just don't believe something of this nature can ever happen in their lifespan, and I think they're going to be wrong," he said.

As far east as Mobile, Alabama, 118 miles away from New Orleans, authorities warned of storm surges approaching 20 feet.

"I'm afraid most people look at the map and say, 'It's going to New Orleans, we're all right,'" said Mobile Mayor Mike Deal. "We're in harm's way with the current path of this storm."

Hurricane warnings are posted from Morgan City, Louisiana, eastward to the Alabama-Florida state line, including New Orleans and Lake Pontchartrain. This means winds of at least 74 mph are expected in the warning area within the next 24 hours.

A tropical storm warning and a hurricane watch are in effect from the Alabama-Florida state line eastward to Destin, Florida, and from west of Morgan City to Intracoastal City, Louisiana. A tropical storm warning is also in effect from Intracoastal City, Louisiana, west to Cameron, Louisiana, and from Destin, Florida, eastward to Indian Pass, Florida.

A tropical storm warning means tropical storm conditions, including winds of at least 39 mph, are expected within 24 hours. A hurricane watch means hurricane conditions are possible, usually within 36 hours.

Category 5 is the most intense on the Saffir-Simpson scale. Only three Category 5 hurricanes have made landfall in the United States since records were kept. Those were the Labor Day hurricane of 1935, 1969's Hurricane Camille and Hurricane Andrew, which devastated the Miami area in 1992. Andrew remains the costliest U.S. hurricane on record, with $26.5 billion in losses.

Camille came ashore in Mississippi and killed 256 people.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WEATHER/08/28/hurricane.katrina/


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 29, 2010, 08:03:07 PM
FLASHBACK - AUGUST 29, 2005

It's named Katrina!

Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Page 179 - Excited with the news that now all three suspects are in custody, friends Hal and Phillip accompany Jug and me back to Aruba after the auction.  As we leave the mainland, a big hurricane is moving toward the United States.  It's named Katrina.  And our flight plan is altered to get around the storm.

Page 183 - Settling in for the night, we see and hear the first reports about the hurricane.  It hits hard in Louisiana.  Mississipi and Alabama are also affected.  We all have loved ones at home in these states.  The early reports of the devastation are unbelievable.  News reporters are saying the death toll could exceed that of 9/11.  Our hearts ache for the people of New Orleans.  Reports are telling us that this is the hardest-hit city.  But visuals are not come out yet of the most damaged areas.  Reporters can't even get to those.  We stand down from all our scheduled interviews and desperately await information on the aftermath of the giant hurricane.


FLASHBACK - SEPTEMBER 1, 2005

The Cloak of Cover

Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Page 182 - September 1 Helen calls to say the court is asking for DNA from the Kalpoes and Joran van der Sloot and that their attorneys are fighting this.  She also says the suspects are pointing the finger at one another.

Page 183 - Helen is very positive. "It looks good that they will remain in custody." she says.  Then about three hours after she tells me this encouraging news, a devastating call comes from an AP reporter.

"Paulus van der Sloot and his attorney are bragging to everyone that all three suspects are getting out day after tomorrow!

Then all the media start calling.  I call Helen, then FBI agent Bill and the U.S. vice-consul.  None of them have this information.  So we tell the media it must be a rumor.  But the word is out all over the island to the defense side that all three suspects will walk.

Four and a half hours after this announcement is made to international media by Joran's father and his defense team, the FBI calls to tell me it is indeed true.  So the three suspects who were last seen with my daughter, and who offered multiple versions of what happened that night, will go free.  And we are the last ones to find out.

Natalee's handwriting on her immigration card states that the duration of her stay here would be four nights.  It has been ninety-five.  And I have painstakingly counted every one of them.

When Helen calls, I stand in a corner of the hotel room, phone to my ear, tapping my head against the wall over and over.  Tears fall hard.  "I'm done, Helen.  I'm done.  No justice for Natalee in Aruba.  I'm done."

Pages 184 - And Bill explains how the release of the three suspects happened.  "The information the FBI was given was that the judge gave Joran thirty more days, up to October 1.  And he gave the Kalpoes eight more days.  But then the judge flew back from Curacao and faxed a reverse decision from there."  The reverse decision decreed that all three will go free.

The opportunity to hide behind Hurricane Katrina is too inviting.  The three suspects will be released while all eyes are turned to the devastation in New Orlean.

Page 815 - The last announcement I make on television is never seen.  Hurricane Katrina gives the island the cloak of cover it needs to let the suspects walk free and relieve itself of its media burden.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 29, 2010, 08:06:28 PM
FLASHBACK -  Hurricane Katrina
The Open Door

Corruption in Paradise - Dave Holloway

Page 142:
  Hurricane Katrina had left the door open for the boys to sent on their way with little publicity and few restrictions because it took the world's focus off of Natalee.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: klaasend on August 29, 2010, 08:09:01 PM
Most recent filing in the Kalpoe vs. Dr. Phil case:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/Stipluation1.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/Stipulation2.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Ono on August 29, 2010, 08:46:30 PM
I'm back and forth  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Can you believe that photo Jan Brennan uses?  Can't she do better than that?  Seriously? 

It's almost like a practical joke -surely there's one somewhere more flattering.  She looks uncomfortable, lol.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: San on August 29, 2010, 09:40:33 PM
I just read that Glenda says that Satish has gotten married!!!!  So she has heard. ::monkeywine2::

Since he is married to an Aruban, the Visa issue is simplified and he can come and go from Aruba.

Well Magnolia since you said that they will say that she is not from Aruba but the dog pound.

Seriously who the heck would marry that rapist.  I wonder if she is of legal age to marry.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: San on August 29, 2010, 09:41:58 PM
I just read that Glenda says that Satish has gotten married!!!!  So she has heard. ::monkeywine2::

Since he is married to an Aruban, the Visa issue is simplified and he can come and go from Aruba.

Well Magnolia since you said that they will say that she is not from Aruba but the dog pound.

Seriously who the heck would marry that rapist.  I wonder if she is of legal age to marry.

I guess she will have to wait for him to graduate high school.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Magnolia on August 29, 2010, 09:56:44 PM
I just read that Glenda says that Satish has gotten married!!!!  So she has heard. ::monkeywine2::

Since he is married to an Aruban, the Visa issue is simplified and he can come and go from Aruba.

Well Magnolia since you said that they will say that she is not from Aruba but the dog pound.

Seriously who the heck would marry that rapist.  I wonder if she is of legal age to marry.


I know!  I was  ::MonkeyShocked::

Some women just aren't that particular I guess.  I never thought Satish was just right. ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: San on August 29, 2010, 10:50:44 PM
I just read that Glenda says that Satish has gotten married!!!!  So she has heard. ::monkeywine2::

Since he is married to an Aruban, the Visa issue is simplified and he can come and go from Aruba.

Well Magnolia since you said that they will say that she is not from Aruba but the dog pound.

Seriously who the heck would marry that rapist.  I wonder if she is of legal age to marry.


I know!  I was  ::MonkeyShocked::

Some women just aren't that particular I guess.  I never thought Satish was just right. ::MonkeyDevil::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: wreck on August 30, 2010, 12:10:21 AM
Most recent filing in the Kalpoe vs. Dr. Phil case:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/Stipluation1.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/Stipulation2.jpg)
::MonkeyMad::
This case wil drag on for another 5 years! Why would Dr. Phil's team agree to this??????????????????????????????????????


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: texasmom on August 30, 2010, 12:29:57 AM
I just read that Glenda says that Satish has gotten married!!!!  So she has heard. ::monkeywine2::

Since he is married to an Aruban, the Visa issue is simplified and he can come and go from Aruba.

Well Magnolia since you said that they will say that she is not from Aruba but the dog pound.

Seriously who the heck would marry that rapist.  I wonder if she is of legal age to marry.


I know!  I was  ::MonkeyShocked::

Some women just aren't that particular I guess.  I never thought Satish was just right. ::MonkeyDevil::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on August 30, 2010, 03:33:34 AM
I just cannot believe that any girl would marry Satish.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Maybe his Mom convinced her that Satish was going to be a doctor.   :smt040


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: texasmom on August 30, 2010, 04:07:24 AM
I just cannot believe that any girl would marry Satish.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Maybe his Mom convinced her that Satish was going to be a doctor.   :smt040

 ::MonkeyDevil::


This picture was from a Mexican Night at Senor Frogs...I didn't save the date in the title and I've tried to find it again with no luck...but it seems like it may have been summer 2008?  I'm not sure at this point.   ::MonkeyConfused::

No idea if this is the lucky gal or not...but iirc it's the only fairly recent picture I've seen of Satish with a girl, other than that Angelina that owned the place that Deepak used to work at. 

http://www.coolaruba.com

(http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn82/texasmom_55/Mexican_Night___Senor_Frogs__97_.jpg)



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on August 30, 2010, 09:10:14 AM
I just cannot believe that any girl would marry Satish.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Maybe his Mom convinced her that Satish was going to be a doctor.   :smt040

 ::MonkeyDevil::


This picture was from a Mexican Night at Senor Frogs...I didn't save the date in the title and I've tried to find it again with no luck...but it seems like it may have been summer 2008?  I'm not sure at this point.   ::MonkeyConfused::

No idea if this is the lucky gal or not...but iirc it's the only fairly recent picture I've seen of Satish with a girl, other than that Angelina that owned the place that Deepak used to work at. 

http://www.coolaruba.com

(http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn82/texasmom_55/Mexican_Night___Senor_Frogs__97_.jpg)



Slight resemblance to Mommy, Nadira?   Thanks, TM.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: MuffyBee on August 30, 2010, 09:26:55 AM
I just cannot believe that any girl would marry Satish.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Maybe his Mom convinced her that Satish was going to be a doctor.   :smt040

 ::MonkeyDevil::


This picture was from a Mexican Night at Senor Frogs...I didn't save the date in the title and I've tried to find it again with no luck...but it seems like it may have been summer 2008?  I'm not sure at this point.   ::MonkeyConfused::

No idea if this is the lucky gal or not...but iirc it's the only fairly recent picture I've seen of Satish with a girl, other than that Angelina that owned the place that Deepak used to work at. 

http://www.coolaruba.com

(http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn82/texasmom_55/Mexican_Night___Senor_Frogs__97_.jpg)



Slight resemblance to Mommy, Nadira?   Thanks, TM.


Maybe even more of a resemblance to a vulture... ? If someone just penciled in the brows  ::MonkeyDevil::
(Large Indian Vulture)
(http://www.arkive.org/media/28/2819F167-1556-4BFA-98CF-478C3D1695BE/Presentation.Large/Indian-vulture-on-ground.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on August 30, 2010, 10:05:53 AM
 ::MonkeyTongue::

(http://www.bucuticam.com/album2/Images/241.zoom3.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: MuffyBee on August 30, 2010, 10:11:42 AM
::MonkeyTongue::

(http://www.bucuticam.com/album2/Images/241.zoom3.jpg)

(http://bestsmileys.com/cool/5.gif)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 30, 2010, 10:50:57 AM
Satish marries?

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

In my finite comprehension ... when my faith is lacking ... it somehow it feels so wrong that Satish is afforded the special milestones of life when he was a participant in denying Natalee her turning points.  It does not seem right that life has moved on for Satish while Natalee parents remain in a perpetual H--- on Earth of not knowing ... a perpetual H--- on Earth that Satish has the ability of releasing them as well as redeeming himself in the process.

Janet

+++++++

Isaiah 55:8-9

"My thoughts are not your thoughts, nor are your ways My ways,' says the Lord.
'For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are My ways higher than your ways, And My thoughts than your thoughts."


Daddy's Little Girl

Corruption in Paradise - Dave Holloway

Page 1:
I watched as she received her high school diploma, and I took pictures of her at her graduation ceremony.  I planned to be there when she graduated from college and then medical school.  My pride would have enveloped us both.  I had long imagined the day when I would see my Natalee in her beautiful white wedding grown.  We would meet in the back of the church for her last moment as "daddy's little girl" and, as she encircled my arm with hers, I would lean down and whisper the words that all fathers must say to their daughters on that very special day, "I love you."  I would walk her down the aisle and proudly offer her hand to her fiance, and I would return to my seat knowing that my girl had accomplished all that a father could desire.  At that moment, it would be clear that the first tier of her life with me had come to an end and that the man she would now look to for approval and love would be her husband.  But she would always be my little Natalee ... always.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 30, 2010, 11:06:53 AM
IT IS NOT EASY

Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Page 219
: In each city I have the privilege to speak to several high schools, churches, or law enforcement and civic groups.  This translates to thousands of youths and adults.  Delivering this safety mesage is my triumph over devastation.  If gives me great joy and is tremendously rewarding work.  I think that I can bear the pain of losing Natalee if it means that I can prevent another family from going through our tragic experience.  If even just one young person in tens of thousands is saved, then it's well worth it.

I ask young people to make a conscious decision to stay safe.  They have to make the choice.  And I'm not asking them do anything more than I ask myself.  I have to make difficult choices every day.  I have to make a conscious decision every morning when I wake up not to be bitter, not to live in resentment and let anger control me.  It's not easy.  I ask God to help me.  And I know it's not easy for young people to think about choosing not to get into a situation in which they can't defend themselves.  But we all have to make hard choices.  Every day.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 30, 2010, 11:10:06 AM
OUT OF THE ASHES

Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Pages 230/231:
  I can't say for sure if we'll ever know that answer to whether my daughter is alive or not.  I know it doesn't look good.  But just as that old metal spiral staircase rose from the ashes when our lake house burned down, so too faith stands strong in the remains of this devastating loss.  And just as my Dad built another house around that staircase, I will build another life around hope and faith.  It won't ever be the same.  But I pray that it will, at the very least, be useful.

The hope that filled Natalee's heart fills mine, and I will press on.  Faith got me up this morning, and faith will see me through tomorrow.  And the next day.  And the next.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 30, 2010, 12:52:14 PM

 ::MonkeyMad::
This case wil drag on for another 5 years! Why would Dr. Phil's team agree to this??????????????????????????????????????


Wreck

Could it be that there are legal arguments of merit taking place behind the scenes by the Kalpoes' attorneys ... legal agruments of merit which imply that the Phil McGraw recording must stand alone in the defamation case without backup documentation derived from the Natalee Holloway case file.

Somehow it makes sense to me that the Kalpoes' attorneys would not have filed this defamation lawsuit if it were not a certainty that a professional comparison between Skeeters' hard drive and McGraw's recorded copy would reveal manipulation ... not editing.

Therefore ... the question requires an answered ... "Was the Phil McGraw recording deceptively manipulated?"  Yes?  No?

Could it be that ... from the getgo ... the Kalpoes' attorneys anticipated a negotiated settlement?

Considering that four years later ... following one extention after another ... the defamation lawsuit has not been thrown out by the court in regards to ongoing non-compliance ... considering a signed declaration at the getgo forewarned the court that case documentation would not be forthcoming ... could it be that the anticipated outcome will come to pass?  The possibility this may happen is my worst nightmare come true.

If Phil McGraw emerges the victor in this defamation lawsuit filed by Deepak and Satish Kalpoe ... I will gladly eat an entire crow pie in regards to my doubts.

Janet

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THE ALTERED PORTIONS?

Feb 6, 2008 5:00 am US/Pacific
Former Holloway Suspects Can Sue Dr. Phil


The Kalpoes, who have maintained they had nothing to do with Holloway's disappearance, sued in December 2006, claiming the "Dr. Phil" talk show altered portions of a taped conversation between Deepak Kalpoe and a private investigator to "create false, incriminating, and defamatory statements that the plaintiffs engaged in criminal activity against Natalee Holloway."

The brothers also contend the TV show implied they helped kill Holloway and got rid of her body. Their suit claims defamation, invasion of privacy, emotional distress, fraud, deceit and civil conspiracy.

http://cbs2.com/entertainment/doctor.phil.mcgraw.2.647163.html


A SWORD AND A SHIELD

Holloway Case: New Kalpoe Documents
Friday, September 14, 2007


JOHN KELLY, FAMILY'S ATTORNEY: I believe David Koch (ph), one of the attorneys for the Kalpoes actually signed a declaration at the court indicating that even if the court ordered the documents be turned over, they were not going to turn them over, which was sort of, for lack of a better word, arrogant on his part. The court did not necessarily like that.

But I can't see them both using the courts as a sword and then a shield. They can't bring this action, they can't seek damages and not obey the orders of the court and expect their case to go forward.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,296798,00.html


POTENTIALLY LIABLE?

SUPERIOR COURT OF CALIFORNIA, COUNTY OF LOS ANGELES

Page 14:
  To the extent that the Dr. Phil Show Defendants can be shown to have been negligent or reckless in the way they edited the show and thus potentially liable, there is no competent showing the Defendant Skeeter was so involved.

http://scaredmonkeys.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/kalpoedrphil050609awm.pdf


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Post by: texasmom on August 30, 2010, 02:25:24 PM
 ::MonkeyNoNo::

http://www.timesoftheinternet.com/147651.html

Joran Van Der Sloot Has Prison romance

 LOS ANGELES, CA., Aug.30 (TOTI) --

Joran Van Der Sloot, the infamous accused killer who is spending time at the Miguel Castro Castro prison in Lima, Peru has begun a relationship with a 'mystery woman' says National Enquirer.

"She's a white foreigner with short blonde hair who speaks English and Spanish fluently," said a source. "Guards as well as prisoners refer to her 'the Dutchman's gringa.'"

Further confirming the story, Joran van der Sloot,23, has called her 'my girlfriend' during conversations he's had with Hugo Trujillo Ospana, the Columbian assassin known as 'The Clown.' Ospana shares the same cell block with Joran.

The only good news seems to be that van der Sloot and the visitor have not been able to get intimate up to this point.

According to sources, the woman was paid $100 a week by Joran van der Sloot's mother to bring him supplies to prison. Instead, romance apparently blossomed as well.

Copyright 2007-2010 by Times of the Internet. All Rights Reserved.

Published: Monday 30th of August 2010 01:10:20 PM


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 30, 2010, 02:27:48 PM
Could the Range Rover recording ... intentionally or unintentionally ... furthered the possibility of a postive outcome for Deepak and Satish in the defamation case filed against Phil McGraw?

Playing the devil's advocate ... if the Phil McGraw recording was manipulated ... the ante could have been upped thanks to Joran's words in the Range Rover recording.  The possible defence could now be that two young men were defamed who ... according to the Prosecutor's office ... are no longer suspects in the Natalee Holloway case.

Janet

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EXONERATES MY BOYS!

Feb 6, 2008 5:00 am US/Pacific
Former Holloway Suspects Can Sue Dr. Phil


A judge refused to dismiss a defamation suit Tuesday against CBS and television psychologist "Dr. Phil" McGraw brought by two brothers who were questioned in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.

William Cremer, the lead attorney for Surinamese brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe, praised the decision by Superior Court Judge Edward A. Ferns.

"I'm going to take Dr. Phil down," he said outside the courtroom.

The ruling came a day after ABC's "20/20" aired a secretly recorded conversation involving Joran Van der Sloot ....

Cremer said the taped remarks by Van der Sloot, which were secretly recorded by a Dutch crime reporter, help his clients' defamation case.

"It pretty much exonerates my boys, doesn't it?" Cremer said.

In their dismissal motion, attorneys for CBS Television and McGraw maintained lawyers for the Kalpoes did not meet deadlines to produce all documents they have demanded concerning the criminal case investigation against the brothers in Aruba.

But the judge gave the Kalpoes' lawyers another five days to satisfy the document deadline.

http://cbs2.com/entertainment/doctor.phil.mcgraw.2.647163.html


RECEIVED AN ALIBI!

Aruban Press Conference 01/06/09
Press Anouncement


Ladies and gentlemen!

The Public Prosecutors Office Aruba and the Aruban Police Force would like to give you an updated summary about the investigation into the disappearance of Natalee Holloway …

• Amongst the witnesses were the two brothers who previously were suspects in this case but who, by the new statements of Joran, received an alibi from Joran, when he told the under cover that the two brothers are “jerks” who don’t know anything about what had happened … .

http://gretawire.foxnews.com/2009/01/06/aruba-prosecutor-5-page-letter-dont-miss-the-part-where-he-trashes-fox-and-menever-dull/

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4344.msg614673#msg614673


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: texasmom on August 30, 2010, 02:39:52 PM
 ::MonkeyAngel::

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2007/01/26/jamie-skeeters-passed-away-today-rest-in-peace-jaime/

(http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/fun-images/skeeters_small.jpg)

Jamie Skeeters Passed Away Today … Rest in Peace Jamie
 
Scared Monkeys lost a friend today when we learned that Jamie Skeeters passed away. This came as quite the shock this evening upon learning the news. You will be missed Jaime, Rest in Peace. Prayers for you and your family from all of us at Scared Monkeys.

Wednesday, January 24, 2007

It is with great sadness that I inform you that our friend Jamie Skeeters passed away today. He was in his seat on a connecting flight in Memphis, TN, at the time. His lovely wife Kay asked me to pass this message on to you.

Please keep her and their family in prayer.

Bob Heard, CAPE Secretary

On a personal note. I have spoke to Jamie on numerous occasions, much of what was discussed was background information, sensitive and not to be repeated. Our conversations would go on for hours discussing the Natalee Holloway case and so much more. A simple 10 minute telephone call had a habit of turning into hours. But that is how Jaime was to deal with, easy to talk to and a wealth of knowledge. Jamie Skeeters’ professionalism was always apparent. I thank Jamie for the trust and respect he had in Scared Monkeys and myself to confide in me and ask my opinion on many matters. I will miss our talks Jamie, I already do.

You will be truly missed, God bless and rest in eternal peace.

Red

 ::monkeyscissors:: From the comments:

2.  Richard on January 26th, 2007 6:24 am
Red, I obviously don’t speak for you … but I will assume that your attitude toward the Kalpoes’ claims that the Skeeters tapes were altered is the same as mine: it’s contemptible nonsense. Appropriate from that source.

________

SM: You would be correct. Skeeters version was never altered, I have heard the originals. One does not need to alter something when the other party did not know that a camera was rolling. Its called buyers remorse on the part of the person who was burned for making comments that they would not have made otherwise on a recorded TV show.

In any event I would take Jamie’s word and day over a self-professed liar with different versions of a missing person.


R

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http://scaredmonkeys.com/2005/11/26/natalee-holloway-investigation-some-comments-from-jaime-skeeters/

Natalee Holloway Investigation: Some comments from Jaime Skeeters
 
There seems to be much confusion with the tapes/CD’s that were sent to Holland to be examined. Jaime Skeeter’s CD’s that he provided have be authenticated as being genuine. According to Dompig, Dutch forensic investigators heard Deepak say, “he didn’t” from the tapes. Skeeters claims that “even his grandmother” could hear the tapes he provided the ALE and Skeeters stands behind his comment that Deepak said, “he did”. What does Dompig claim he heard? One question also remains, which tape/CD is Dompig referring to that they Dutch are saying is Deepak’s denial? The so called manipulated tape; is this the tape they state Deepak’s denial, or is it Skeeter’s, or both? The following are some quick comments from Jaime Skeeters with regards to the tape and Dompig’s comments that he gave exclusively to Scared Monkeys.

Dompig told me that he can hear Deepak make the statement “we did…and you would be surprise how simple it was..” on my CD.

Dompig also stated that the Phil tapes are not that clear and it sounds like “we didn’t… and you would be surprise how simple it was”.

I asked Dompig if Deepak had said “we didn’t” then why in the hell did he immediately follow up with..”and you would be surprise how simple it was”.

Dompig agreed with me that the follow up statement makes sense with “we did” and not with the statement “we didn’t”..

I told Dompig that I have never seen or heard the Phil tapes that he down loaded from my CD. I also told him that “most” everyone knows that when you down load something off a CD to beta/VHS tapes that you lose at lease one full generation of clarity.

Dompig stated that he understood that but sense he has two sets of tapes that he must send them in for verification. I explained that Phil tapes are not altered, they are edited.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: texasmom on August 30, 2010, 02:41:54 PM
I take Jamie's word for it too.   ::MonkeyCool::

JMO


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 30, 2010, 02:48:47 PM
Klaas

I was just reading back on this topic.  You could be right regarding Joran's motive for distancing the Kalpoes in the Range Rover confession.  This guy has a mission to capitalize any way he can.  He has no conscience in regards to Natalee or her loved ones.

Janet

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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #830 2/25/10 -
« Reply #494 on: February 27, 2010, 08:30:43 PM »


I haven't seen anyone here at SM that believes 100% of what Joran says whether it be the Range Rover story or the most recent falling off balcony story.  I do believe many feel as though with every lie is a smidgen of truth. 

It's clear to me that Joran is simply throwing stuff out there hoping it sticks and in the process making some $$.  He knows that he's already paid the consequence of unlawful disposal of a corpse.  Could be that the stories not involving K2 are in hopes of K2 getting a large settlement from Dr. Phil and sharing with Joran.  

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=7126.msg1083973#msg1083973


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: texasmom on August 30, 2010, 02:51:06 PM
There are more than enough (devil's) advocates for the heathens that murdered Natalee, and have tormented her family for more than five years now.  The continued effort of one of us, who is supposedly here looking for justice for Natalee and her family, to assume that role; is quite frustrating and sickening!


 ::MonkeyNoNo::


As always, JMO.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 30, 2010, 02:55:26 PM
If the McGraw tape was not manipulated ... only edited ... why after four years  has Phil McGraw not emerged the winner in this defamation lawsuit.  It only take a professional comparison with Skeeters' hard drive to determine that Deepak defamed himself?

I am only attempting to comprehend.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 30, 2010, 03:14:56 PM
Why has this defamation case dragged on for four long years when all it would take is a comparison between the McGraw recording and Skeeters' hard drive to reveal the truth one way or another regarding the "altered" portions.

Janet

____

THE ALTERED PORTIONS?

Feb 6, 2008 5:00 am US/Pacific
Former Holloway Suspects Can Sue Dr. Phil


The Kalpoes, who have maintained they had nothing to do with Holloway's disappearance, sued in December 2006, claiming the "Dr. Phil" talk show altered portions of a taped conversation between Deepak Kalpoe and a private investigator to "create false, incriminating, and defamatory statements that the plaintiffs engaged in criminal activity against Natalee Holloway."

The brothers also contend the TV show implied they helped kill Holloway and got rid of her body. Their suit claims defamation, invasion of privacy, emotional distress, fraud, deceit and civil conspiracy.

http://cbs2.com/entertainment/doctor.phil.mcgraw.2.647163.html


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 30, 2010, 03:46:31 PM
He says! She says! Speculation!  Debate!  It should all be non issues when a comparison of two pieces of hard evidence has the ability to reveal the truth.

Janet

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Tale of the Tape Thursday
December 01, 2005


GRETA VAN SUSTEREN:  We are also curious what the FBI has to say about the content of this interview. I was told by Jamie Skeeters on the phone the other night that he originally "taped" this interview directly to his computer hard drive and that he gave the hard drive to the FBI. Of course this hard drive — the "original" — is what will tell us exactly what was said or not said  — provided it can be adequately enhanced and analyzed.
 
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,177286,00.html


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 30, 2010, 05:04:41 PM

<snipped>

Somehow it makes sense to me that the Kalpoes' attorneys would not have filed this defamation lawsuit if it were not a certainty that a professional comparison between Skeeters' hard drive and McGraw's recorded copy would reveal manipulation ... not editing.

<snipped>

Janet

+++++++

JAMIE SKEETERS EXONERATED!

SUPERIOR COURT OF CALIFORNIA, COUNTY OF LOS ANGELES

Page 14:
  To the extent that the Dr. Phil Show Defendants can be shown to have been negligent or reckless in the way they edited the show and thus potentially liable, there is no competent showing the Defendant Skeeter was so involved.

http://scaredmonkeys.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/kalpoedrphil050609awm.pdf


Could it be that the NFI's claims regarding findings encompassing the Jamie/Deepak interview is what motivated the defamation lawsuit.  When the ATA/AHATA and/or the Kalpoes' attorneys considered the Phil McGraw financial  empire ...did the light dawn that an opportunity had presented itself which would allow Aruba to recoup the costs the Island had incurred in regards to the Natalee Holloway case?

Could it be that that ATA/AHATA and/or the Kalpoes' attorneys were deceived by the NFI's claims?

Janet

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THE TRUTH ... WHAT IS IT?

Thursday, December 01, 2005 
By Greta Van Susteren


To begin with, and as you may know, Dr. Phil paid polygrapher Jamie Skeeters to go to Aruba and investigate Natalee Holloway's disappearance. It is Skeeters' trip to Aruba that is at the center of a current dispute in the Natalee Holloway disappearance. ....

Did Deepak admit on the tape to having sex with Natalee or did he deny it? On the "Dr. Phil" show, it was claimed that Deepak admitted on tape to having sex with Natalee. The authorities in Aruba disagree and assert that on the original tape Deepak actually denies, not admits, to having had sex with Natalee.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,177286,00.html


'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' for December 1
updated 7:37 a.m. PT, Fri., Dec. 2, 2005


ARLENE ELLIS SCHIPPER, ARUBAN STRATEGIC COMM. TASK FORCE: Well, it's not what I think, it is what the Dutch forensic institute thinks and what we have also requested the FBI to confirm, which confirmation we haven't received yet.

However, the NFI had four investigators separately look at these tapes, and they say that the Dr. Phil show tapes were edited for content in the following order. Just before the word “she,” there was a cut. And just after the word “did,” there was a cut. And then they compared it to the CD-ROM that Mr. Skeeters sent the officials, and you have seen that piece, and it says, “No, she didn't.” And he shakes his head while doing—while saying that.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10295536/


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Magnolia on August 30, 2010, 05:25:42 PM
Why has this defamation case dragged on for four long years when all it would take is a comparison between the McGraw recording and Skeeters' hard drive to reveal the truth one way or another regarding the "altered" portions.

Janet

____

THE ALTERED PORTIONS?

Feb 6, 2008 5:00 am US/Pacific
Former Holloway Suspects Can Sue Dr. Phil


The Kalpoes, who have maintained they had nothing to do with Holloway's disappearance, sued in December 2006, claiming the "Dr. Phil" talk show altered portions of a taped conversation between Deepak Kalpoe and a private investigator to "create false, incriminating, and defamatory statements that the plaintiffs engaged in criminal activity against Natalee Holloway."

The brothers also contend the TV show implied they helped kill Holloway and got rid of her body. Their suit claims defamation, invasion of privacy, emotional distress, fraud, deceit and civil conspiracy.

http://cbs2.com/entertainment/doctor.phil.mcgraw.2.647163.html


Janet,
Stop and ask yourself......Why have the Kalpoes not complied with the terms of the discovery part of the
legal process, so that the case can proceed to trial?

The comparision of the tapes would be a part of the trial....not the pre-trial.  JMO


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: texasmom on August 30, 2010, 05:39:50 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_77362.php

Google translation:

(http://www.amigoe.com/artman/uploads/30-banner-donkere-jongen-vo.gif)

Still dark faces Aruba Logo
August 30, 2010, 14:14 (GMT -04:00)

Email this article 
Print this article 
 
ORANGE CITY - The campaign for the new logo to promote Aruba adapted. Dark figure now faces between the white and colored people on banners that hang over the island. After the launch of the campaign there was a lot going on protest at the lack of dark people on the campaign posters. This weekend, was suddenly replaced a number of posters for banners with dark Arubans, including the famous cyclist cross Shanayah Howell. The occupants of those posters were already shooting for that campaign. For some reason, they were not initially 'chose' to the banners along the tourist routes to shine. Now why this is the case, the editors could not figure out this morning. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: texasmom on August 30, 2010, 05:42:13 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_77351.php

Google translation:

Lawsuit stop construction Ritz-Carlton

August 30, 2010, 13:03 (GMT -04:00)

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ORANGE CITY - Four environmental organizations have brought proceedings against Infrastructure Minister Benny Sevinger (ASF). They want him to suspend the construction permit from the luxurious Ritz Carlton Hotel at Fisherman's Huts. The administrative case was morning, one of the organizations, Fanapa, was declared inadmissible. Friday is the case continued.

Developer must also Desarollos Hotelco appear in the witness stand. This happened this morning, because the court had forgotten the hotel developer - although interested - to call, so Amigoe has learned from an internal source. One of the plaintiffs, Fanapa was inadmissible because the foundation that conservation efforts, first in early and then was too late to appeal against the planning permission. The argument that the building permit to "quietly" was issued on May 25, was not tenable. On the admissibility of the other organizations, Rainbow Warriors, Aruba Aruba BirdLife Conservation and Marine Mammal Foundation, the court has not yet commented. They were also on time with the submission of the request. That happened on June 1 during a visit to the governor in a letter on June 2 at the organizations announced that the appeal was forwarded to Minister Sevinger.

NGOs demand that the minister suspends planning permission until the developer meets all the requirements as stated in the Letter of Intent (LOI) between the government and former MEP Desarollos Hotelco closed. This Agreement of June 12, 2008 is the basis of the lease agreement with the site at the Fisherman's Huts were transferred to the developer. According to the NGOs, the new AVP-Government indicated that the sale was not all conditions were met. There was twice legal advice, the advice of lawyer David Kock Desarollos Hotelco confirmed that not all conditions had been met. The current government did, however, on a dissolution of the agreement because it would possibly lead to a lawsuit and one million claim by the developer.

Participation
The plaintiffs also challenge the so-called Environmental Impact Assessment (EIA) for which no research has been done. Refers to a case in Bonaire from 2006 (Lar / Sorobon) where the land issue and planning permission was suspended. Although there was then an EIS on the table, but who had no prior public consultation made. Lack of transparency in the entire project at Ritz Carlton for a problem, according to the organizations. That was reinforced by the fact that the then government for not issuing the lease administrative procedure followed - which citizens had the opportunity to participate - but a civil contract entered into. The latter means that people are not formally parties to this proceeding. With the lawsuit still trying to environmental organizations to the Minister a foot in the door to get. The construction of the hotel, they at least be detained until their appeal is decided. It questions the environmental organizations to the Minister for planning permission to withdraw.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: texasmom on August 30, 2010, 05:47:13 PM
 ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyMad::

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_77348.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

Fifteen months in jail for pedophile

August 30, 2010, 1:01 p.m. (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - M. pedophile (66) would, if the Public Prosecutor (OM) had lain for at least eighteen months in prison for sexual abuse are addressed by a girl (5). But the court finds that there are mitigating circumstances. The man got fifteen months' imprisonment imposed.

M. is already old, was previously arrested and has not penetrated the girl, the judge ruled. Strafeis of the Prosecutor would not be proportionate to the crime.

The condemned is the godfather of the mother of the girl. He applied regularly to the child. On May 4 this year struck the mother, when she came home, the man and the child in a sexual together. The mouth of the godfather was located near the cross of the bared girl. Examination of Youth and Vice led to the conclusion that the man the girl was often involved in sexual acts. He would have forced it to do so under threat. Showed that includes a statement of the girl and a confirmation of a doctor who examined her body. The doctor found no physical evidence to be able to find the girl the man has penetrated.

The Godfather made contradictory statements about his relationship with the child. The police, he signed a confession, but he subsequently withdrew them. Facing the judge said the man that the police did not have the opportunity to submit its statement to read before signing placed underneath.

The godfather hoped to convince the judge that he is the victim of lies. The child would be bad and the mother raised him in a bad light would like to. The mother had asked him to borrow money, but that request was refused he said the man.
 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: texasmom on August 30, 2010, 05:50:54 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_77349.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

Owner Foxy Lady: "Why allow prostitution, but my deal '

August 30, 2010, 1:01 p.m. (GMT -04:00)

SAN NICOLAS - The owner of Foxy Lady, Alex Mathew, resolutely rejects allegations of trafficking. He says just that, certainly in comparison with other 'bars' in San Nicolas, women are better deals. According to him, the Aruban government and the Public Prosecutor (OM) just annoy him.

Mathew was in early August with three others arrested after a major raid on his club, house and other buildings. Earlier he claimed that the OM him 'revenge' continues. In a new letter to the media this morning sent through his lawyer Edwin Field Duijn, Mathew asks himself why he is tackled and not other bareigenaren in San Nicolas. "Although prostitution is prohibited, there are plenty of tents where this is standard practice. Everyone knows that politicians and people of justice regular visitors to these bars. Some things are even owned by policemen. "Mathew also says evidence of this can deliver.

Free will
The club owner also claims that his staff was better than the other bars. "Girls live in small rooms and have no decent place to live. They receive between 100 and 125 florin per day for their work and have everything else yourself. Women at Foxy Lady live together in a large house with their own room with air conditioning. There is also a daily maid who cooks a meal for them. "

The accusation that the women were held Mathew because their passports were seized, he points to the hand. "This is what most bars in San Nicolas done." Moreover, they can go wherever they want, he says. He does not deny that his employees sometimes long hours to make. But again, he points to other cases in San Nicolas. Mathew says that the ladies who work in Foxy Lady, mainly from Europe and that they are there by choice. "The other ladies in bars come from Colombia and, because of terrible personal circumstances, nothing more than prostitution."

Two chances
Mathew is further remarkable that the charges against him comes from one of his former employees. He says that this woman pretends she has fled to Curacao. "The truth is that she flew out with me after she was caught in prostitution." She had one of the rooms for private dances sex with a client and became caught. "She then begged for a second chance. But then when she was caught again, this time on the use of cocaine, she flew completely. Those are the two things I absolutely intolerable, drugs and prostitution. "Mathew is currently still in custody in KIA.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Kat_Gram on August 30, 2010, 05:58:47 PM
I am curious as to who Satish's bride is.
Did he ever finish school ?
What does he do for a living ? 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: texasmom on August 30, 2010, 06:00:35 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_77343.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

New Judges

August 30, 2010, 12:55 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - Judge Albert Beukenhorst is appointed a member of the Common Court of Justice of the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba. In so doing, the State Cabinet approved Friday. The appointment is effective from October 1 this year.

Beukenhorst is currently vice president of the Amsterdam District Court. He was a judge in that court since 1985 and was previously, between 1991 and 1995, members of the Common Court. Moreover, there are now three other judges from the Netherlands to Aruba persuaded the judges to replace whose term had expired. One of these new judges, the new press court Hanneke Mol. They will be called during an installation session in September officially start work as a judge. The court in Curacao is considerably strengthened. Besides Beukenhorst are still five other judges appointed by the judiciary to strengthen it. The installation for this meeting is on September 24 judges in Curaçao scheduled.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 30, 2010, 06:00:42 PM
Magnolia

According to John Kelly ... the Kalpoes' attorneys never had any intentions of releasing incriminating documentation relating to the Natalee Holloway case.  I do not believe that the Kalpoes have any intentions of testifying before an American judge.  Their silence is a given.

Four years later ... after many granted extentions ... the judge has failed to throw out the defamation lawsuit.  Why?  Could it be that the Kalpoes' attorneys are legally challenging the request by McGraw's attorneys for case documents?  Could it be they are citing that case document are irrelevent to the lawsuit?

In other words ... the issue is whether of not Phil McGraw manipulated the recording that was received from Jamie Skeeters ... an issue that a professional comparison of the McGraw manipulated/edited recording and ... Skeeters hard drive.

Considering McGraw's attorneys ARE NOT demanding a professional comparison ... I suspect that the McGraw tape WAS deceptively manipulated and ... the defence strategy is to obtain incriminating documents which would affirm that the manipulation did not defame the Kalpoes.

I could be wrong but ... I cannot comprehend another reason why this case has dragged on for four long years.

Janet.

+++++++++

THE ALTERED PORTIONS?

Feb 6, 2008 5:00 am US/Pacific
Former Holloway Suspects Can Sue Dr. Phil


The Kalpoes, who have maintained they had nothing to do with Holloway's disappearance, sued in December 2006, claiming the "Dr. Phil" talk show altered portions of a taped conversation between Deepak Kalpoe and a private investigator to "create false, incriminating, and defamatory statements that the plaintiffs engaged in criminal activity against Natalee Holloway."

The brothers also contend the TV show implied they helped kill Holloway and got rid of her body. Their suit claims defamation, invasion of privacy, emotional distress, fraud, deceit and civil conspiracy.

http://cbs2.com/entertainment/doctor.phil.mcgraw.2.647163.html


A SWORD AND A SHIELD

Holloway Case: New Kalpoe Documents
Friday, September 14, 2007


JOHN KELLY, FAMILY'S ATTORNEY: I believe David Koch (ph), one of the attorneys for the Kalpoes actually signed a declaration at the court indicating that even if the court ordered the documents be turned over, they were not going to turn them over, which was sort of, for lack of a better word, arrogant on his part. The court did not necessarily like that.

But I can't see them both using the courts as a sword and then a shield. They can't bring this action, they can't seek damages and not obey the orders of the court and expect their case to go forward.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,296798,00.html





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 30, 2010, 06:05:42 PM
SELF EDIT - MY LAST POST

an issue that a professional comparison of the McGraw manipulated/edited recording and ... Skeeters hard drive.

S/B

an issue that a professional comparison of the McGraw manipulated/edited recording and ... Skeeters hard drive could resolve.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Buckeye on August 30, 2010, 06:16:34 PM
Magnolia

According to John Kelly ... the Kalpoes' attorneys never had any intentions of releasing incriminating documentation relating to the Natalee Holloway case.  I do not believe that the Kalpoes have any intentions of testifying before an American judge.  Their silence is a given.

Four years later ... after many granted extentions ... the judge has failed to throw out the defamation lawsuit.  Why?  Could it be that the Kalpoes' attorneys are legally challenging the request by McGraw's attorneys for case documents?  Could it be they are citing that case document are irrelevent to the lawsuit?

In other words ... the issue is whether of not Phil McGraw manipulated the recording that was received from Jamie Skeeters ... an issue that a professional comparison of the McGraw manipulated/edited recording and ... Skeeters hard drive.

Considering McGraw's attorneys ARE NOT demanding a professional comparison ... I suspect that the McGraw tape WAS deceptively manipulated and ... the defence strategy is to obtain incriminating documents which would affirm that the manipulation did not defame the Kalpoes.

I could be wrong but ... I cannot comprehend another reason why this case has dragged on for four long years.

Janet.

+++++++++



I have no idea why you think that.  I have never seen what Dr. Phil's team has or hasn't done.

When John Kelly stated that about the Kalpoes, they were still suspects.  They have been released.

The judge used the term "edited" in his ruling in favor of Jamie.

Defamation involves a whole lot more than the tape.  You must show worthiness of character to be defamed then you must show how the "defamation" injured you.

Deepak's life "was over" before Phil ever edited the tape.  He was still working after the tape.  The documents will show that K2 were defamed long before Dr. Phil....and rightly so.

This is a case of AHATA trying to exact revenge for the boycott. Everyone thought Phil would settle.  They were wrong.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Buckeye on August 30, 2010, 06:17:23 PM
Magnolia

According to John Kelly ... the Kalpoes' attorneys never had any intentions of releasing incriminating documentation relating to the Natalee Holloway case.  I do not believe that the Kalpoes have any intentions of testifying before an American judge.  Their silence is a given.

Four years later ... after many granted extentions ... the judge has failed to throw out the defamation lawsuit.  Why?  Could it be that the Kalpoes' attorneys are legally challenging the request by McGraw's attorneys for case documents?  Could it be they are citing that case document are irrelevent to the lawsuit?

In other words ... the issue is whether of not Phil McGraw manipulated the recording that was received from Jamie Skeeters ... an issue that a professional comparison of the McGraw manipulated/edited recording and ... Skeeters hard drive.

Considering McGraw's attorneys ARE NOT demanding a professional comparison ... I suspect that the McGraw tape WAS deceptively manipulated and ... the defence strategy is to obtain incriminating documents which would affirm that the manipulation did not defame the Kalpoes.

I could be wrong but ... I cannot comprehend another reason why this case has dragged on for four long years.

Janet.

+++++++++








I have no idea why you think that.  I have never seen what Dr. Phil's team has or hasn't done.

When John Kelly stated that about the Kalpoes, they were still suspects.  They have been released.

The judge used the term "edited" in his ruling in favor of Jamie.

Defamation involves a whole lot more than the tape.  You must show worthiness of character to be defamed then you must show how the "defamation" injured you.

Deepak's life "was over" before Phil ever edited the tape.  He was still working after the tape.  The documents will show that K2 were defamed long before Dr. Phil....and rightly so.

This is a case of AHATA trying to exact revenge for the boycott. Everyone thought Phil would settle.  They were wrong.


Sorry


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Buckeye on August 30, 2010, 06:19:18 PM
and

Magnolia is correct.  These are issues for the TRIAL.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: klaasend on August 30, 2010, 06:22:32 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_77362.php

Google translation:

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Still dark faces Aruba Logo
August 30, 2010, 14:14 (GMT -04:00)

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ORANGE CITY - The campaign for the new logo to promote Aruba adapted. Dark figure now faces between the white and colored people on banners that hang over the island. After the launch of the campaign there was a lot going on protest at the lack of dark people on the campaign posters. This weekend, was suddenly replaced a number of posters for banners with dark Arubans, including the famous cyclist cross Shanayah Howell. The occupants of those posters were already shooting for that campaign. For some reason, they were not initially 'chose' to the banners along the tourist routes to shine. Now why this is the case, the editors could not figure out this morning. 

I like this one better  ::MonkeyDevil::

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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 30, 2010, 06:28:25 PM
Buckeye ... you could be right.  I hope you are.  However ... I have my doubts.

I feel that the four years of extentions afforded by the judge for the Kalpoes to comply to requests for documentation ... requests to appear in deposition hearings ... implies that attorneys are ... behind the scenes ... presenting legal challenges. 

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Anna on August 30, 2010, 06:38:08 PM
Why has this defamation case dragged on for four long years when all it would take is a comparison between the McGraw recording and Skeeters' hard drive to reveal the truth one way or another regarding the "altered" portions.

Janet

____

THE ALTERED PORTIONS?

Feb 6, 2008 5:00 am US/Pacific
Former Holloway Suspects Can Sue Dr. Phil


The Kalpoes, who have maintained they had nothing to do with Holloway's disappearance, sued in December 2006, claiming the "Dr. Phil" talk show altered portions of a taped conversation between Deepak Kalpoe and a private investigator to "create false, incriminating, and defamatory statements that the plaintiffs engaged in criminal activity against Natalee Holloway."

The brothers also contend the TV show implied they helped kill Holloway and got rid of her body. Their suit claims defamation, invasion of privacy, emotional distress, fraud, deceit and civil conspiracy.

http://cbs2.com/entertainment/doctor.phil.mcgraw.2.647163.html


Janet,
Stop and ask yourself......Why have the Kalpoes not complied with the terms of the discovery part of the
legal process, so that the case can proceed to trial?

The comparision of the tapes would be a part of the trial....not the pre-trial.  JMO



I agree with you, Magnolia.

And the tape is not the only issue of the defamation claims.  There are claims that statements were made live on the Dr. Phil program that maligned the sterling reputation of these two young thugs, including some from Beth.

The tape is but a component of the claim and not a sole issue.  And I suppose one person's idea of altering could be said to be another person's editing but Jamie Skeeters, Red and others have said there was no alteration.  Deepak said "did and" and not "didn't" as he later claimed and only the myserious Aruban version carries.

Remember how hysterical Arleen became when people started calling it the "Aruban version"!  It was hilarious.

Regardless of what the tape says, there will not be a trial without giving the Defense the Discovery as requested.  And in Discovery they can literally ask for any and everything.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Anna on August 30, 2010, 06:41:28 PM
LOL, Klaas!

Yes, that's the real face of Aruba and the one the whole world needs to see and remember!

I wish the papers would stop caling Joran the Dutchcman and call him the Aruban so people will connect him forever with that flyspeck!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: texasmom on August 30, 2010, 06:42:09 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_77362.php

Google translation:

(http://www.amigoe.com/artman/uploads/30-banner-donkere-jongen-vo.gif)

Still dark faces Aruba Logo
August 30, 2010, 14:14 (GMT -04:00)

Email this article 
Print this article 
 
ORANGE CITY - The campaign for the new logo to promote Aruba adapted. Dark figure now faces between the white and colored people on banners that hang over the island. After the launch of the campaign there was a lot going on protest at the lack of dark people on the campaign posters. This weekend, was suddenly replaced a number of posters for banners with dark Arubans, including the famous cyclist cross Shanayah Howell. The occupants of those posters were already shooting for that campaign. For some reason, they were not initially 'chose' to the banners along the tourist routes to shine. Now why this is the case, the editors could not figure out this morning. 

I like this one better  ::MonkeyDevil::

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/ArubaBanner2010.jpg)

ME TOO!   ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Anna on August 30, 2010, 06:49:33 PM
Wreck,

Sometimes I want just anything to happen, anything!  Just to have some news!

But thinking more logically, Dr. Phil/Oprah have attroneys on retainers so they have to pay at least part of their fees anyway whether they use them or not, etc.

The Kalpoes don't.  So all this is ever-mounting expense for them and whoever is backing them which I am sure is AHATA/ATA/some Aruban govt agency.

Ever court filing is costing Aruba.  It's not unusual to have a "complex case" for this much money drag out like this.

Also it is "our system" to do everything possible to give everybody their day in court.  Then they don't have that as a basis for an appeal.  So the continuations mean nothing except to cost the Kalpoes more and lower the chances of a successful appeal later.

I would really not be shocked to see this drag on several more years much as I would like to be dancing with glee at the defeat of the Kalpoes.

But do remember that had a ruling been made earlier, Joran wouldn't have yet been caught red-handed murdering again!  That goes against them so much because it makes Joran even more of a person of ill repute and underlines that they are the ones who chose that kind of company to keep.  They were the ones hauling Joran around that night of their own free will so they chose a path of infamy.

And who knows what might come to light before this finally goes to court?  You can bet it won't be anything that will help their case, however!



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 30, 2010, 06:54:33 PM

I have no idea why you think that.  I have never seen what Dr. Phil's team has or hasn't done.

When John Kelly stated that about the Kalpoes, they were still suspects.  They have been released.

The judge used the term "edited" in his ruling in favor of Jamie.

Defamation involves a whole lot more than the tape.  You must show worthiness of character to be defamed then you must show how the "defamation" injured you.

Deepak's life "was over" before Phil ever edited the tape.  He was still working after the tape.  The documents will show that K2 were defamed long before Dr. Phil....and rightly so.

This is a case of AHATA trying to exact revenge for the boycott. Everyone thought Phil would settle.  They were wrong.


I agree.

However ... it would only make sense that the ATA/AHATA and/or the Kalpoes' attorneys would anticipate a settlement if there was assurance that the McGraw tape had been deceptively manipulated.  Otherwise ... they lose the lawsuit.  I believe the assurance that the McGraw tape was manipulated came directly from the NFI.

My contention is that McGraw's attorneys came up with a strategy.  They would obtain incriminating case documents to prove that the manipulated tape did not defame Deepak and Satish.

Why has the FBI not released any findings?

IMO

Janet

++++++++


THE NFI FINDINGS

Thursday, December 01, 2005 
By Greta Van Susteren


To begin with, and as you may know, Dr. Phil paid polygrapher Jamie Skeeters to go to Aruba and investigate Natalee Holloway's disappearance. It is Skeeters' trip to Aruba that is at the center of a current dispute in the Natalee Holloway disappearance. ....

Did Deepak admit on the tape to having sex with Natalee or did he deny it? On the "Dr. Phil" show, it was claimed that Deepak admitted on tape to having sex with Natalee. The authorities in Aruba disagree and assert that on the original tape Deepak actually denies, not admits, to having had sex with Natalee.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,177286,00.html


'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' for December 1
updated 7:37 a.m. PT, Fri., Dec. 2, 2005


ARLENE ELLIS SCHIPPER, ARUBAN STRATEGIC COMM. TASK FORCE: Well, it's not what I think, it is what the Dutch forensic institute thinks and what we have also requested the FBI to confirm, which confirmation we haven't received yet.

However, the NFI had four investigators separately look at these tapes, and they say that the Dr. Phil show tapes were edited for content in the following order. Just before the word “she,” there was a cut. And just after the word “did,” there was a cut. And then they compared it to the CD-ROM that Mr. Skeeters sent the officials, and you have seen that piece, and it says, “No, she didn't.” And he shakes his head while doing—while saying that.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10295536/


 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: MuffyBee on August 30, 2010, 06:59:09 PM
The answer is:  Money


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Anna on August 30, 2010, 06:59:39 PM
Joran used Valentijn's mountainbike at the same time Valentijn was on the familycomputer at 2.26am, the room next to Paulus bedroom.
He used the bike to bring the crimescene from the VDSresidence to the beach area by confusing and framing Deepak by calling him.
At 10.30pm the evening before Joran logged in onto the computer. He was picked up by Paulus at 10.15-1020pm at McDonalds. Valentijn was babysitting and Joran had to replace him as the older brother in the house.
Paulus went back to a casino. The Marriott ?
Ask by email Rick Zeola, the former manager [ now transferred to Egypt]  or his wife, close friends of de VDSfamily.. That family took care of Sebastiaan that afternoon.
There is one witness [ a woman] who saw the red Jeep of Paulus returning to the VDSresidence at 4.00am the nigt Natalee disappeared. She could not see who was driving.

@ Klaasend

The new soccerfield [ in may 2005 under construction] very close to Montanja 19 and two dumpspots within 700 meters from the VDShome in Cunucu, Joran's playground when he was a kid.

to be continued



I have never locked in on any hard, fast theory of what happened because I think when people do that, they they select and chose only the information that supports their theory only and are blind to anything else.

At times, I have considered that Joran acted alone later in the night after being dropped off somewhere by the Kalpoes.

They still were parties to luring Natalee into the car and just as the driver of a getaway car in a bank robbery are accomplices so are the Kalpoes.

Since none of us really know what happened, this could have happened about as well as anything else.  It would be comforting to Natalee's family if remains could some day be recovered.

I continue to hope and pray that someday we will all know for a fact what happened and that Natalee will be brought back home to Alabama.  It would be a comfort to her family to finally know and have closure.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Anna on August 30, 2010, 07:03:34 PM
The answer is:  Money


Muffy,
Are you talking about why someone would marry Satish?

Yes, I was thinking the same thing.  Poor girl may have married him thinking he was actually going to get a lot of money from this lawsuit.  As time drags on the awful truth will slowly dawn on her and she will find herself left with just Satish in the end.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: MuffyBee on August 30, 2010, 07:03:48 PM
The answer is:  Money

Let me explain.  I think initially it was about money.  The Kalpoes thought they would get a settlement in the beginning and that didn't happen.  It's in the legal system now.  I also wonder if by holding up the process, it prevents the Kalpoes from having legal challenges in that they are guilty of crimes toward Natalee Holloway or of at least having knowledge.  JMHO  There will still need to be some sort of payout from one side or the other, due to the legal fees, right?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: MuffyBee on August 30, 2010, 07:04:43 PM
The answer is:  Money


Muffy,
Are you talking about why someone would marry Satish?

Yes, I was thinking the same thing.  Poor girl may have married him thinking he was actually going to get a lot of money from this lawsuit.  As time drags on the awful truth will slowly dawn on her and she will find herself left with just Satish in the end.


Why a girl would marry Satish?  For her fifteen five minutes (or less) of fame?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: MuffyBee on August 30, 2010, 07:06:39 PM
Anna-maybe the girl is marrying Satish for the possibility of money in the future.   When you don't have much to start with, money from a possible lawsuit would be attractive. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 30, 2010, 07:08:37 PM
Anna-maybe the girl is marrying Satish for the possibility of money in the future.   When you don't have much to start with, money from a possible lawsuit would be attractive. 

 ::rhino::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Anna on August 30, 2010, 07:08:50 PM
The answer is:  Money


Muffy,
Are you talking about why someone would marry Satish?

Yes, I was thinking the same thing.  Poor girl may have married him thinking he was actually going to get a lot of money from this lawsuit.  As time drags on the awful truth will slowly dawn on her and she will find herself left with just Satish in the end.


Why a girl would marry Satish?  For her fifteen five minutes (or less) of fame?


Yeah, but the creep factor!  Can you imagine going to sleep right next to a Kalpoe?  I mean for all she knows, they could well be parties to first degree murder as they were once arrested for.

I wonder if she sleeps with one eye open.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Anna on August 30, 2010, 07:13:40 PM
Criminals are assured of a reasonable swift trial.  It's usually their attorneys who delay things as we see in other missing persons cases.

But this thing with the Kalpoes does not have that guarantee is my understanding.  It will move at the court's leisure more or less.  And I think the courts in California are some of the most congested in the country.

If the Kalpoes thought they could win, they would be the ones pushing to get it into the trial phase so they could get their greedy hands on all that money.

The party seeking the money is not the one to delay if they have a good case.  Wouldn't be very smart on their part, now would it?

Just saying. . . .


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Anna on August 30, 2010, 07:15:18 PM


Meant to add that this is a CIVIL case and not a criminal one so they don't have the right to a speedy trial, etc.

But if they thought they could win, they would want to be in trial tomorrow!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Magnolia on August 30, 2010, 07:15:56 PM
Magnolia

According to John Kelly ... the Kalpoes' attorneys never had any intentions of releasing incriminating documentation relating to the Natalee Holloway case.  I do not believe that the Kalpoes have any intentions of testifying before an American judge.  Their silence is a given.

Four years later ... after many granted extentions ... the judge has failed to throw out the defamation lawsuit.  Why?  Could it be that the Kalpoes' attorneys are legally challenging the request by McGraw's attorneys for case documents?  Could it be they are citing that case document are irrelevent to the lawsuit?

In other words ... the issue is whether of not Phil McGraw manipulated the recording that was received from Jamie Skeeters ... an issue that a professional comparison of the McGraw manipulated/edited recording and ... Skeeters hard drive.

Considering McGraw's attorneys ARE NOT demanding a professional comparison ... I suspect that the McGraw tape WAS deceptively manipulated and ... the defence strategy is to obtain incriminating documents which would affirm that the manipulation did not defame the Kalpoes.

I could be wrong but ... I cannot comprehend another reason why this case has dragged on for four long years.

Janet.

+++++++++

THE ALTERED PORTIONS?

Feb 6, 2008 5:00 am US/Pacific
Former Holloway Suspects Can Sue Dr. Phil


The Kalpoes, who have maintained they had nothing to do with Holloway's disappearance, sued in December 2006, claiming the "Dr. Phil" talk show altered portions of a taped conversation between Deepak Kalpoe and a private investigator to "create false, incriminating, and defamatory statements that the plaintiffs engaged in criminal activity against Natalee Holloway."

The brothers also contend the TV show implied they helped kill Holloway and got rid of her body. Their suit claims defamation, invasion of privacy, emotional distress, fraud, deceit and civil conspiracy.

http://cbs2.com/entertainment/doctor.phil.mcgraw.2.647163.html


A SWORD AND A SHIELD

Holloway Case: New Kalpoe Documents
Friday, September 14, 2007


JOHN KELLY, FAMILY'S ATTORNEY: I believe David Koch (ph), one of the attorneys for the Kalpoes actually signed a declaration at the court indicating that even if the court ordered the documents be turned over, they were not going to turn them over, which was sort of, for lack of a better word, arrogant on his part. The court did not necessarily like that.

But I can't see them both using the courts as a sword and then a shield. They can't bring this action, they can't seek damages and not obey the orders of the court and expect their case to go forward.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,296798,00.html






If you cannot comprehend, then perhaps it would be best if you let the issue drop.

Most of the rest of us can understand the process.  The judge has no authority to demand a comparision
of the tapes until the case goes to trial.  The case cannot go to trial until the Kalpoe attorneys submit
the requested materials and statements for discovery.

Dr. Phil and his companies retain a staff of attorneys at all times.  They really don't care how long the
process takes.  They have no intention of paying the Kalpoes a dime.

It really does look like you are rooting for the Kalpoes. IMO


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 30, 2010, 07:34:53 PM
I remain bloodied but unbowed.

There is no reason for case documents to be requested if the issue is whether or not the McGraw tape was manipulated.  A professional comparison with the hard drive would resolve the entire issue.

I suspect a settlement will be forthcoming ... a settlement that will benefit the Kalpoes/attorneys/AHATA.

IMO

Janet

++++++

THE DEFAMATION LAWSUIT IN A NUTSHELL

Feb 6, 2008 5:00 am US/Pacific
Former Holloway Suspects Can Sue Dr. Phil


The Kalpoes, who have maintained they had nothing to do with Holloway's disappearance, sued in December 2006, claiming the "Dr. Phil" talk show altered portions of a taped conversation between Deepak Kalpoe and a private investigator to "create false, incriminating, and defamatory statements that the plaintiffs engaged in criminal activity against Natalee Holloway."

The brothers also contend the TV show implied they helped kill Holloway and got rid of her body. Their suit claims defamation, invasion of privacy, emotional distress, fraud, deceit and civil conspiracy.

http://cbs2.com/entertainment/doctor.phil.mcgraw.2.647163.html



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: klaasend on August 30, 2010, 07:59:04 PM
Janet - I have to disagree with you on this.  I don't think they have any intention of settling with the Kalpoes.  I believe they expect the case to be thrown out and so do I. 

I agree with Magnolia - CBS and Dr. Phil have these attorneys on their payroll.  The Kalpoes are a minor irritation to CBS but do allow some hope of getting information regarding the NH case which is their intention IMO.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Magnolia on August 30, 2010, 08:00:52 PM
I remain bloodied but unbowed.

There is no reason for case documents to be requested if the issue is whether or not the McGraw tape was manipulated.  A professional comparison with the hard drive would resolve the entire issue.

I suspect a settlement will be forthcoming ... a settlement that will benefit the Kalpoes/attorneys/AHATA.

IMO

Janet

++++++

THE DEFAMATION LAWSUIT IN A NUTSHELL

Feb 6, 2008 5:00 am US/Pacific
Former Holloway Suspects Can Sue Dr. Phil


The Kalpoes, who have maintained they had nothing to do with Holloway's disappearance, sued in December 2006, claiming the "Dr. Phil" talk show altered portions of a taped conversation between Deepak Kalpoe and a private investigator to "create false, incriminating, and defamatory statements that the plaintiffs engaged in criminal activity against Natalee Holloway."

The brothers also contend the TV show implied they helped kill Holloway and got rid of her body. Their suit claims defamation, invasion of privacy, emotional distress, fraud, deceit and civil conspiracy.

http://cbs2.com/entertainment/doctor.phil.mcgraw.2.647163.html




Your own quote that you cite should be enough to show you the case is not just about the tape.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: MuffyBee on August 30, 2010, 08:04:31 PM
Janet - I have to disagree with you on this.  I don't think they have any intention of settling with the Kalpoes I believe they expect the case to be thrown out and so do I. 

I agree with Magnolia - CBS and Dr. Phil have these attorneys on their payroll.  The Kalpoes are a minor irritation to CBS but do allow some hope of getting information regarding the NH case which is their intention IMO.

(Bolded by me)

ITA 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Magnolia on August 30, 2010, 08:08:04 PM
What is the word (that won't come to my mind right now)  where you give a sworn statement to lawyers
before the trial?  I can't think of it to save me. ::MonkeyJnBox::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Magnolia on August 30, 2010, 08:16:16 PM
What is the word (that won't come to my mind right now)  where you give a sworn statement to lawyers
before the trial?  I can't think of it to save me. ::MonkeyJnBox::


Deposition!!  The case cannot proceed to trial until the Kalpoes present themselves for deposition.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: klaasend on August 30, 2010, 08:21:56 PM
What is the word (that won't come to my mind right now)  where you give a sworn statement to lawyers
before the trial?  I can't think of it to save me. ::MonkeyJnBox::

Deposition

That is what the Kalpoes are so far refusing to come to California (as ordered by the judge) to give to the Defense.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Magnolia on August 30, 2010, 08:30:22 PM
What is the word (that won't come to my mind right now)  where you give a sworn statement to lawyers
before the trial?  I can't think of it to save me. ::MonkeyJnBox::

Deposition

That is what the Kalpoes are so far refusing to come to California (as ordered by the judge) to give to the Defense.


Thanks, Klaas,
All I could think of was interrogatories.  Close, but no cigar. ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Anna on August 30, 2010, 08:36:01 PM
Right.  Without Discovery, the Defendants can't be expected to give a proper defense.  You don't file a case unless you can and will comply with Discovery.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Magnolia on August 30, 2010, 08:41:31 PM
Right.  Without Discovery, the Defendants can't be expected to give a proper defense.  You don't file a case unless you can and will comply with Discovery.



Exactly!!   I think the only reason the Kalpoes' attorneys don't drop the suite is because they are
afraid of being left responsible for the legal fees of Dr. Phil and company.  That is why they keep
dragging it out.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: texasmom on August 30, 2010, 09:05:20 PM
I remain bloodied but unbowed.

There is no reason for case documents to be requested if the issue is whether or not the McGraw tape was manipulated.  A professional comparison with the hard drive would resolve the entire issue.

I suspect a settlement will be forthcoming ... a settlement that will benefit the Kalpoes/attorneys/AHATA.

IMO

Janet

++++++

THE DEFAMATION LAWSUIT IN A NUTSHELL

Feb 6, 2008 5:00 am US/Pacific
Former Holloway Suspects Can Sue Dr. Phil


The Kalpoes, who have maintained they had nothing to do with Holloway's disappearance, sued in December 2006, claiming the "Dr. Phil" talk show altered portions of a taped conversation between Deepak Kalpoe and a private investigator to "create false, incriminating, and defamatory statements that the plaintiffs engaged in criminal activity against Natalee Holloway."

The brothers also contend the TV show implied they helped kill Holloway and got rid of her body. Their suit claims defamation, invasion of privacy, emotional distress, fraud, deceit and civil conspiracy.

http://cbs2.com/entertainment/doctor.phil.mcgraw.2.647163.html




Your own quote that you cite should be enough to show you the case is not just about the tape.

 ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 30, 2010, 09:11:57 PM
Janet - I have to disagree with you on this.  I don't think they have any intention of settling with the Kalpoes.  I believe they expect the case to be thrown out and so do I. 

I agree with Magnolia - CBS and Dr. Phil have these attorneys on their payroll.  The Kalpoes are a minor irritation to CBS but do allow some hope of getting information regarding the NH case which is their intention IMO.

Klaas

We will have to agree to disagree until the outcome of this lawsuit is revealed.  If I am wrong ...  I will be rejoicing while eating crow pie.

Considering no findings have been released from the FBI investigation of the hard drive ... I suspect that the McGraw recording was manipulated with the expectation there would be no significant backlash from the Kalpoes.  After all ... at the most Deepak and Satish would be ... as you pointed out ... only "minor irritations".

However ... McGraw and his "people" did not anticipate that the ATA/AHATA would enter the scenario and take advantage of the NFI findings by financially backing the Kalpoes in a defamation lawsuit in anticipation of ultimately reaping a windfall ... a windfall that implied the Kalpoes ... the attorneys and ... Aruba would financially benefit.

Could it be that the filing of the defamation lawsuit by the Kalpoes' attorneys implied that McGraw had two choices ... settle or ... challenge the lawsuit by going in another direction.  The defence's strategy?  Case documentation would be requested.  The Kalpoes' own words and the words of those within the ALE would be evidence that no defamation occurred even if the tape was manipulated.

Why has the defamation lawsuit not been thrown out.  There has been four years of repeated extentions granted following non-compliance to court requests.

I suspect the Kalpoes' high priced attorneys are challenging the requests for documentation.  The Kalpoes' high priced attorneys must be citing that the incriminating case documents are not relevent to the defamation lawsuit ... only the disputed McGraw recording.

I would love to be wrong in my speculations.  I do not want it revealed that there was a manipulation of the tape.  I do not want the Kalpoes and their backer to emerge the victors.  The implication would be that ... for the sake of ratings ... Phil McGraw's attempt to deceive ... ultimately lined the pockets of those who were involved in the happenings encompassing the morning of May 30, 2005 and ... those within the Aruban administration who have been behind the misinformation campaign to pervent justice from prevailing for Natalee Holloway.

BTW ... a little googling will reveal that in the past negotiated settlements have happened in regards to lawsuits filed against the great Phil McGraw and his high priced attorneys.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: texasmom on August 30, 2010, 09:13:30 PM
Right.  Without Discovery, the Defendants can't be expected to give a proper defense.  You don't file a case unless you can and will comply with Discovery.



Exactly!!   I think the only reason the Kalpoes' attorneys don't drop the suite is because they are
afraid of being left responsible for the legal fees of Dr. Phil and company.  That is why they keep
dragging it out.

I agree, and they definitely should be if and/or when the case is thrown out. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: SuzieQ on August 30, 2010, 09:14:03 PM
I know this is OT, but didn't know where else to put it. Are these just idiots or is something really going on?

http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2010/08/30/two-men-arrested-at-amsterdam-airport/


06:14 PM ET
 

 Dutch arrest two men after flight from U.S.
[Updated at 7:49 p.m.] The two men – passengers on United Flight 908 from Chicago O'Hare to Amsterdam on Sunday night - were arrested Monday at Amsterdam's Schiphol International Airport after "suspicious items" were found in checked baggage, U.S. and Dutch authorities said.

Suspicious items found in luggage associated with the pair "were not deemed to be dangerous in and of themselves, and as we share information with our international partners, Dutch authorities were notified of the suspicious items," the U.S. Department of Homeland Security said. "This matter continues to be under investigation."

One of the men had travelled to Chicago from Birmingham, Alabama, and the other had flown to Chicago from Memphis, Tennessee, a law enforcement official told CNN.

An X-Ray of the checked luggage of the man who had flown from Birmingham showed several cell phones strapped to bottles of medicinal liquid, a law enforcement official said.

The men did not have prohibited items on themselves or in carry-on luggage, a law-enforcement official said. Federal air marshals were on the Chicago-to-Amsterdam flight, that official said.

[Original post] Two men were arrested Monday at Amsterdam's Schiphol International Airport after a flight from the United States, a spokesman for the Dutch Justice Ministry said.

The men were being held at the airport after arriving in the Dutch capital from Chicago, Illinois, Justice Ministry spokesman Martiun Boalhouwer told CNN. Boalhouwer would release no further details of the arrests, saying an investigation was under way.

ABC News, citing U.S. law enforcement officials, reported that the men have been charged in the Netherlands with "preparation of a terrorist attack," and that they had just flown from Chicago, Illinois, to Amsterdam on a United Airlines flight.

The two appeared to have been traveling with "mock bombs" in their luggage, U.S. officials said, according to ABC News.

One of the men flew with suspicious items in his luggage from Birmingham, Alabama, to Chicago's O'Hare airport, checked the luggage on a flight going from Chicago to Washington's Dulles Airport and then to Dubai, but then boarded the Chicago-Amsterdam flight with the second man instead of going with the luggage to Washington, ABC News reported, citing unnamed officials.

Screeners determined before the Birmingham-Chicago flight that the luggage didn't have explosives, officials said, according to ABC News. The luggage was removed from the Washington-Dubai flight when officials learned the man wasn't on that plane, and more screening again found no explosives, ABC News reported.

The men were taken into custody in Amsterdam after a request from the Netherlands' National Detective Department, airport press officer Robert Kapel said.

– CNN's Jeanne Meserve and Mike Ahlers contributed to this report.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Magnolia on August 30, 2010, 09:26:05 PM
Janet - I have to disagree with you on this.  I don't think they have any intention of settling with the Kalpoes.  I believe they expect the case to be thrown out and so do I. 

I agree with Magnolia - CBS and Dr. Phil have these attorneys on their payroll.  The Kalpoes are a minor irritation to CBS but do allow some hope of getting information regarding the NH case which is their intention IMO.

Klaas

We will have to agree to disagree until the outcome of this lawsuit is revealed.  If I am wrong ...  I will be rejoicing while eating crow pie.

Considering no findings have been released from the FBI investigation of the hard drive ... I suspect that the McGraw recording was manipulated with the expectation there would be no significant backlash from the Kalpoes.  After all ... at the most Deepak and Satish would be ... as you pointed out ... only "minor irritations".

However ... McGraw and his "people" did not anticipate that the ATA/AHATA would enter the scenario and take advantage of the NFI findings by financially backing the Kalpoes in a defamation lawsuit in anticipation of ultimately reaping a windfall ... a windfall that implied the Kalpoes ... the attorneys and ... Aruba would financially benefit.

Could it be that the filing of the defamation lawsuit by the Kalpoes' attorneys implied that McGraw had two choices ... settle or ... challenge the lawsuit by going in another direction.  The defence's strategy?  Case documentation would be requested.  The Kalpoes' own words and the words of those within the ALE would be evidence that no defamation occurred even if the tape was manipulated.

Why has the defamation lawsuit not been thrown out.  There has been four years of repeated extentions granted following non-compliance to court requests.

I suspect the Kalpoes' high priced attorneys are challenging the requests for documentation.  The Kalpoes' high priced attorneys must be citing that the incriminating case documents are not relevent to the defamation lawsuit ... only the disputed McGraw recording.

I would love to be wrong in my speculations.  I do not want it revealed that there was a manipulation of the tape.  I do not want the Kalpoes and their backer to emerge the victors.  The implication would be that ... for the sake of ratings ... Phil McGraw's attempt to deceive ... ultimately lined the pockets of those who were involved in the happenings encompassing the morning of May 30, 2005 and ... those within the Aruban administration who have been behind the misinformation campaign to pervent justice from prevailing for Natalee Holloway.

BTW ... a little googling will reveal that in the past negotiated settlements have happened in regards to lawsuits filed against the great Phil McGraw and his high priced attorneys.

Janet




But It's Oooonnnnlee Maaakeeee Beeelieve. ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 30, 2010, 09:26:07 PM
What is the word (that won't come to my mind right now)  where you give a sworn statement to lawyers
before the trial?  I can't think of it to save me. ::MonkeyJnBox::

Deposition

That is what the Kalpoes are so far refusing to come to California (as ordered by the judge) to give to the Defense.

For crying out loud!!  What is the reason behind the judge's decision not to throw out this defamation case out!  For the past four years ... the Kalpoes have "refuse" time and time again to comply with court requests.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: MuffyBee on August 30, 2010, 09:28:12 PM
SuzieQ-It's interesting, but it is OT in this thread.  I think maybe if you find something like that again, you could post it in the  Current Events "News of the Day" as a new thread  http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?board=24.0.  Or you could post it in Musings/Open Discussion for comment, since a thread is already started there for general discussion/chit chat etc.  http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?board=26.0 

 ::bee::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Magnolia on August 30, 2010, 09:37:05 PM
 ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: klaasend on August 30, 2010, 09:51:38 PM
What is the word (that won't come to my mind right now)  where you give a sworn statement to lawyers
before the trial?  I can't think of it to save me. ::MonkeyJnBox::

Deposition

That is what the Kalpoes are so far refusing to come to California (as ordered by the judge) to give to the Defense.

For crying out loud!!  What is the reason behind the judge's decision not to throw out this defamation case out!  For the past four years ... the Kalpoes have "refuse" time and time again to comply with court requests.

Janet


I prefer to believe that the Judge and the CBS/Dr. Phil team are on the side of Natalee more than anything else.  It would be better to get the depositions and case documents CBS/Dr.Phil are requesting/requiring.  I believe that's what they are all holding out for.  That small chance.  For Natalee.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Ono on August 30, 2010, 10:24:17 PM
::MonkeyNoNo::

http://www.timesoftheinternet.com/147651.html

Joran Van Der Sloot Has Prison romance

 LOS ANGELES, CA., Aug.30 (TOTI) --

Joran Van Der Sloot, the infamous accused killer who is spending time at the Miguel Castro Castro prison in Lima, Peru has begun a relationship with a 'mystery woman' says National Enquirer.

"She's a white foreigner with short blonde hair who speaks English and Spanish fluently," said a source. "Guards as well as prisoners refer to her 'the Dutchman's gringa.'"

Further confirming the story, Joran van der Sloot,23, has called her 'my girlfriend' during conversations he's had with Hugo Trujillo Ospana, the Columbian assassin known as 'The Clown.' Ospana shares the same cell block with Joran.

The only good news seems to be that van der Sloot and the visitor have not been able to get intimate up to this point.

According to sources, the woman was paid $100 a week by Joran van der Sloot's mother to bring him supplies to prison. Instead, romance apparently blossomed as well.

Copyright 2007-2010 by Times of the Internet. All Rights Reserved.

Published: Monday 30th of August 2010 01:10:20 PM

Where's the barf bag?????    ::MonkeyRoll::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: wreck on August 30, 2010, 10:26:15 PM
What is the word (that won't come to my mind right now)  where you give a sworn statement to lawyers
before the trial?  I can't think of it to save me. ::MonkeyJnBox::

Deposition

That is what the Kalpoes are so far refusing to come to California (as ordered by the judge) to give to the Defense.

For crying out loud!!  What is the reason behind the judge's decision not to throw out this defamation case out!  For the past four years ... the Kalpoes have "refuse" time and time again to comply with court requests.

Janet


I prefer to believe that the Judge and the CBS/Dr. Phil team are on the side of Natalee more than anything else.  It would be better to get the depositions and case documents CBS/Dr.Phil are requesting/requiring.  I believe that's what they are all holding out for.  That small chance.  For Natalee.
I think you are right as well! I have tried to explain ad nauseum that NO evidence WHATSOEVER has been looked at by the judge. That is NOT the judge's task. Only the JURY (and only at an actual TRIAL) would that occur. The judge is only ruling PROCEEDURAL questions only.
 ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: San on August 30, 2010, 10:31:03 PM
Janet - I have to disagree with you on this.  I don't think they have any intention of settling with the Kalpoes.  I believe they expect the case to be thrown out and so do I. 

I agree with Magnolia - CBS and Dr. Phil have these attorneys on their payroll.  The Kalpoes are a minor irritation to CBS but do allow some hope of getting information regarding the NH case which is their intention IMO.

Klaas

We will have to agree to disagree until the outcome of this lawsuit is revealed.  If I am wrong ...  I will be rejoicing while eating crow pie.

Considering no findings have been released from the FBI investigation of the hard drive ... I suspect that the McGraw recording was manipulated with the expectation there would be no significant backlash from the Kalpoes.  After all ... at the most Deepak and Satish would be ... as you pointed out ... only "minor irritations".

However ... McGraw and his "people" did not anticipate that the ATA/AHATA would enter the scenario and take advantage of the NFI findings by financially backing the Kalpoes in a defamation lawsuit in anticipation of ultimately reaping a windfall ... a windfall that implied the Kalpoes ... the attorneys and ... Aruba would financially benefit.

Could it be that the filing of the defamation lawsuit by the Kalpoes' attorneys implied that McGraw had two choices ... settle or ... challenge the lawsuit by going in another direction.  The defence's strategy?  Case documentation would be requested.  The Kalpoes' own words and the words of those within the ALE would be evidence that no defamation occurred even if the tape was manipulated.

Why has the defamation lawsuit not been thrown out.  There has been four years of repeated extentions granted following non-compliance to court requests.

I suspect the Kalpoes' high priced attorneys are challenging the requests for documentation.  The Kalpoes' high priced attorneys must be citing that the incriminating case documents are not relevent to the defamation lawsuit ... only the disputed McGraw recording.

I would love to be wrong in my speculations.  I do not want it revealed that there was a manipulation of the tape.  I do not want the Kalpoes and their backer to emerge the victors.  The implication would be that ... for the sake of ratings ... Phil McGraw's attempt to deceive ... ultimately lined the pockets of those who were involved in the happenings encompassing the morning of May 30, 2005 and ... those within the Aruban administration who have been behind the misinformation campaign to pervent justice from prevailing for Natalee Holloway.

BTW ... a little googling will reveal that in the past negotiated settlements have happened in regards to lawsuits filed against the great Phil McGraw and his high priced attorneys.

Janet


I absolutely believe that Dr. Phil's attorneys knew someone was footing the bill for the Kalpoes.  They knew the Kalpoes didn't have two nickels to rub together.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: San on August 30, 2010, 10:39:36 PM
Dr. Phil's lawyers are licking their chops waiting to get the Kalpoes in court.  They are playing with these other attorneys who are representing the Kalpoes.  Will there be a Merry Christmas for the Kalpoes?  I think not.  They will have coal in their stockings.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Magnolia on August 30, 2010, 10:44:37 PM
Janet - I have to disagree with you on this.  I don't think they have any intention of settling with the Kalpoes.  I believe they expect the case to be thrown out and so do I. 

I agree with Magnolia - CBS and Dr. Phil have these attorneys on their payroll.  The Kalpoes are a minor irritation to CBS but do allow some hope of getting information regarding the NH case which is their intention IMO.

Klaas

We will have to agree to disagree until the outcome of this lawsuit is revealed.  If I am wrong ...  I will be rejoicing while eating crow pie.

Considering no findings have been released from the FBI investigation of the hard drive ... I suspect that the McGraw recording was manipulated with the expectation there would be no significant backlash from the Kalpoes.  After all ... at the most Deepak and Satish would be ... as you pointed out ... only "minor irritations".

However ... McGraw and his "people" did not anticipate that the ATA/AHATA would enter the scenario and take advantage of the NFI findings by financially backing the Kalpoes in a defamation lawsuit in anticipation of ultimately reaping a windfall ... a windfall that implied the Kalpoes ... the attorneys and ... Aruba would financially benefit.

Could it be that the filing of the defamation lawsuit by the Kalpoes' attorneys implied that McGraw had two choices ... settle or ... challenge the lawsuit by going in another direction.  The defence's strategy?  Case documentation would be requested.  The Kalpoes' own words and the words of those within the ALE would be evidence that no defamation occurred even if the tape was manipulated.

Why has the defamation lawsuit not been thrown out.  There has been four years of repeated extentions granted following non-compliance to court requests.

I suspect the Kalpoes' high priced attorneys are challenging the requests for documentation.  The Kalpoes' high priced attorneys must be citing that the incriminating case documents are not relevent to the defamation lawsuit ... only the disputed McGraw recording.

I would love to be wrong in my speculations.  I do not want it revealed that there was a manipulation of the tape.  I do not want the Kalpoes and their backer to emerge the victors.  The implication would be that ... for the sake of ratings ... Phil McGraw's attempt to deceive ... ultimately lined the pockets of those who were involved in the happenings encompassing the morning of May 30, 2005 and ... those within the Aruban administration who have been behind the misinformation campaign to pervent justice from prevailing for Natalee Holloway.

BTW ... a little googling will reveal that in the past negotiated settlements have happened in regards to lawsuits filed against the great Phil McGraw and his high priced attorneys.

Janet


I absolutely believe that Dr. Phil's attorneys knew someone was footing the bill for the Kalpoes.  They knew the Kalpoes didn't have two nickels to rub together.



And the Kalpoe attorneys took the case on a contingency fee.  IMO


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Ono on August 30, 2010, 10:45:31 PM
The answer is:  Money


Muffy,
Are you talking about why someone would marry Satish?

Yes, I was thinking the same thing.  Poor girl may have married him thinking he was actually going to get a lot of money from this lawsuit.  As time drags on the awful truth will slowly dawn on her and she will find herself left with just Satish in the end.


Why a girl would marry Satish?  For her fifteen five minutes (or less) of fame?


Yeah, but the creep factor!  Can you imagine going to sleep right next to a Kalpoe?  I mean for all she knows, they could well be parties to first degree murder as they were once arrested for.

I wonder if she sleeps with one eye open.

No kidding--but I think it's possible she prolly has brainlock, is gullible, has drunk the KoolAid, and thinks the Kalpoes are victims of the rich 'Ugly Americans' ...  But yeah ... "creep factor" is right!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 30, 2010, 10:52:45 PM
What is the word (that won't come to my mind right now)  where you give a sworn statement to lawyers
before the trial?  I can't think of it to save me. ::MonkeyJnBox::

Deposition

That is what the Kalpoes are so far refusing to come to California (as ordered by the judge) to give to the Defense.

For crying out loud!!  What is the reason behind the judge's decision not to throw out this defamation case out!  For the past four years ... the Kalpoes have "refuse" time and time again to comply with court requests.

Janet


I prefer to believe that the Judge and the CBS/Dr. Phil team are on the side of Natalee more than anything else.  It would be better to get the depositions and case documents CBS/Dr.Phil are requesting/requiring.  I believe that's what they are all holding out for.  That small chance.  For Natalee.

Klaas

I honestly do not know what the motivation of the Phil McGraw team is four years later.  I fear that the high priced Kalpoe attorneys backed by the ATA/AHATA are affording a challenge that was not anticipated and ... this is the reason the case has not been thrown out.

John Kelly claims that the ground rules were established at the getgo by one of the Kalpoes' attorneys.  I cannot think of one small reason ... one small benefit ... why the ATA/AHATA would divert from the established ground rules ... why the ATA/AHATA would comply to the court's request to produce incriminating case documents  ... incriminating case documents implicating the Kalpoes in the rape and murder of Natalee Holloway as well as the disposal of her remain.

I see a lot of red flags and ... those red flags have me so concerned regarding the outcome of the lawsuit.

Good Night.

Janet
7:55 PM PT

++++++


A Signed Declaration

Holloway Case: New Kalpoe Documents
Friday, September 14, 2007


JOHN KELLY, FAMILY'S ATTORNEY: I believe David Koch (ph), one of the attorneys for the Kalpoes actually signed a declaration at the court indicating that even if the court ordered the documents be turned over, they were not going to turn them over ...

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,296798,00.html


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Ono on August 30, 2010, 10:53:15 PM
What is the word (that won't come to my mind right now)  where you give a sworn statement to lawyers
before the trial?  I can't think of it to save me. ::MonkeyJnBox::

Deposition

That is what the Kalpoes are so far refusing to come to California (as ordered by the judge) to give to the Defense.

For crying out loud!!  What is the reason behind the judge's decision not to throw out this defamation case out!  For the past four years ... the Kalpoes have "refuse" time and time again to comply with court requests.

Janet


I prefer to believe that the Judge and the CBS/Dr. Phil team are on the side of Natalee more than anything else.  It would be better to get the depositions and case documents CBS/Dr.Phil are requesting/requiring.  I believe that's what they are all holding out for.  That small chance.  For Natalee.

I agree.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on August 30, 2010, 11:10:05 PM
Although I'd like to see the 2paks deposed,I'm more then happy to watch the CBS/Mcgraw attorneys drag this out for 20 years if the need to.Those attorneys aren't working for free,and someone has to pay them.......Who's got deeper pockets and is willing to go the distance?Me thinks the miscreants will get tired of wasting money at some point.Lawyers are expensive   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Magnolia on August 30, 2010, 11:20:41 PM
Wreck can explain this better than I can, but I think that David Koch and whoever else is represnting
the Kalpoes, took the case on the agreement that their payment would be 40%-50% of the payout
from Dr. Phil.  I have always felt that Posner had a hand in the selection of lawyers.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: texasmom on August 30, 2010, 11:45:37 PM
http://www.24ora.com/corte-mainmenu-29/21443-alex-mathew-i-will-not-be-broken-.html

Alex Mathew: I will not be broken !      

Monday, 30 August 2010 23:24
 
 
E ciudadano Alex Mathew deteni algun siman atras bou sospecho di trafico di ser humano, a saca un declaracion por medio di su abogado mr. Duijneveld, caminda e ta bisa di ta desbarata tur e ponencianan a base di cual, Ministerio Publico a laga detene. E ta haya cu si el a wordo deteni a base di cierto punto, anto ta mas donjo di barnan mester wordo deteni. Y ta señala cu hasta Polis tin bar.

Su declaracion ta bisa lo siguiente:

As the Aruban government and the OM have isolated me completely from society and came up (again) with false accusations against me I want them to know they won’t break me and only make me stronger and Allah will punish them sooner as they think. They accuse me of human trafficking. This is a big joke. Everybody knows that for decades prostitution is going on in San Nicolas. Something I always opposed as this is against human dignity and it’s shameful for my town San Nicolas and disturbs its development. But who cares about San Nicolas.

Although prostitution is against the law there are dozens of bars were this is practiced. Everybody knows that politicians and people working at the prosecutor’s office visit these bar on a regular bases. Some of these bars are even owed by police officers. Please tell me that I am lying and will proof it. Now San Nicolas boy Mathew starts a night club with strippers and specifically forbids prostitution and shows that this is a success, Mathew has to be brought down again.

Let’s compare the girls from the bars with the girls from Foxy lady. The girls from the bars live in little room and have no decent living space. They pay between 100 and 125 florins a day for this and have to take care of everything by their self. The girls from Foxy Lady lived in a spacious house have their own room with air conditioning with a maid that also cooks them one meal a day.

The prosecutor says Mathew hold the girls like prisoners because he takes their passports. This has nothing to do with keeping them prisoner. This is done by most bars in San Nicolas also. Mathew gives every girl a phone for their own safety. A phone with which they can call all over the world. Of course Mathew wants to know where the girls go if they go out he feels responsible for them and doesn’t want anything to happen to them. The girls go by themselves to the beach, to the internet café and go out to south beach, but according to the prosecutor they are Mathew’s prisoners. Mister prosecutor you are the laughing stock of the Aruban people!!! The bars don’t care about the girls having a phone or not, they just have to pay their daily rent and work in the bar as long as it’s open. Mathew is a human trafficker because the girls have sometimes to work long hours. Please check the hours in the other bars in San Nicolas.

The girls from Mathew are mostly European girls that out of their free will choose to dance. The girls in the bars are all Colombian girls that, because of their horrific personal situation at home, have no other way to survive than to do prostitute there selves. Of course who cares, it’s just San Nicolas where it happens and it’s not Mathew who’s involved.

Funny is that this all started with false accusations of a girl that pretended she fled to Curacao the beginning of this year. The truth is she was kicked out after she was being warned not to practice prostitution, but was caught have sex with a client in the private dance room. She begged for another change, but then cocaine was discovered in her room. She was send away as these are the two things and I don’t want to hear about, prostitution and drugs. Of course as it’s about Mathew the government and the prosecutors are all ears and just want to hear what can help set up Mathew.

Although I know my lawyer is fighting hard for me I know it’s hard to fight a conspiracy by people that are powerful and pretend they represent justice. However I will not break and we will see who will be standing tall at the end. Allah Akbar.

 

Alex Mathew

 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Magnolia on August 30, 2010, 11:52:22 PM
Who was the politician that Jossy said had a house of prostitution in Venezuela?

Was it Bouchi Wever?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on August 30, 2010, 11:53:42 PM
What a great letter.The police own whore houses!Aruba at it's finest... ::piggy::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on August 30, 2010, 11:55:38 PM
Although prostitution is against the law there are dozens of bars were this is practiced. Everybody knows that politicians and people working at the prosecutor’s office visit these bar on a regular bases. Some of these bars are even owed by police officers. Please tell me that I am lying and will proof it. Now San Nicolas boy Mathew starts a night club with strippers and specifically forbids prostitution and shows that this is a success, Mathew has to be brought down again.


Jacobs eatin cornflakes at the bar comes to mind! ::piggy:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: wreck on August 30, 2010, 11:56:08 PM
Wreck can explain this better than I can, but I think that David Koch and whoever else is represnting
the Kalpoes, took the case on the agreement that their payment would be 40%-50% of the payout
from Dr. Phil.  I have always felt that Posner had a hand in the selection of lawyers.
I doubt whoever is paying the legal bills for the Kalpoes has any intention of the Kalpoes actually reaping any monetary gain themselves of any large degree.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on August 31, 2010, 12:31:03 AM
 ::monkeywine2::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: texasmom on August 31, 2010, 12:37:58 AM
Who was the politician that Jossy said had a house of prostitution in Venezuela?

Was it Bouchi Wever?

Candelario "Booshi" Wever

I was thinking it was him too.  Didn't find what I was looking for...I remember us discussing it.  At the link below, there's an article I remember but the house of prostitution is mentioned above it...

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2620.msg351932#msg351932



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Magnolia on August 31, 2010, 12:48:19 AM
Who was the politician that Jossy said had a house of prostitution in Venezuela?

Was it Bouchi Wever?

Candelario "Booshi" Wever

I was thinking it was him too.  Didn't find what I was looking for...I remember us discussing it.  At the link below, there's an article I remember but the house of prostitution is mentioned above it...

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2620.msg351932#msg351932



Sorry I can't spell Booshi and it is such a common name. ::MonkeyHaHa::

I remember Jossy doing an editorial on it and then it was hushed up.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: texasmom on August 31, 2010, 01:41:27 AM
Who was the politician that Jossy said had a house of prostitution in Venezuela?

Was it Bouchi Wever?

Candelario "Booshi" Wever

I was thinking it was him too.  Didn't find what I was looking for...I remember us discussing it.  At the link below, there's an article I remember but the house of prostitution is mentioned above it...

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2620.msg351932#msg351932



Sorry I can't spell Booshi and it is such a common name. ::MonkeyHaHa::

I remember Jossy doing an editorial on it and then it was hushed up.

You did fine, it's not a name you see often.

The first thing that comes to my mind when I hear his name is that front page article of him in Parliament trying to discretely "give the finger".  ::MonkeyShocked::  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: texasmom on August 31, 2010, 01:55:20 AM
http://www.bondia.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=5939&Itemid=26

Papiamentu translation:

(http://www.bondia.com/images/stories/2010/Augustus/30/front1.jpg)  (http://www.bondia.com/images/stories/2010/Augustus/30/front2.jpg)

premier balkenende owing to arrive corsou before visit by farewell y tomorrow will come aruba

monday, 30 august 2010

w’stad/o’stad – first minister by the netherlands, sr. jan-peter balkenende owing to arrive corsou diadomingo afternoon 18:35 on one vuelo by keep costa for by sint maarten. at aeropuerto hato past owing to being ricibi before first minister by antilles dutch, sra. emily de jongh-elhage, agent adhunto by the netherlands at antilles dutch, sra. patricia grolle y comandante suplente by navy regal, sr. jeroen van zaalen. is deal by one visit by farewell y at once also will atende aspectonan cu have by haber cu desmantelacion by antilles. day 9 by september owing to remain by hang on to one conferencia by prensa rondo before atende the proceso estatal. all cos will depende if will succeed form one gobierno new before corsou in the proximo dianan. the mandatario dutch have planning by visit tomorrow we island.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 31, 2010, 08:29:19 AM

Deposition

That is what the Kalpoes are so far refusing to come to California (as ordered by the judge) to give to the Defense.

For crying out loud!!  What is the reason behind the judge's decision not to throw out this defamation case out!  For the past four years ... the Kalpoes have "refuse" time and time again to comply with court requests.

Janet


I prefer to believe that the Judge and the CBS/Dr. Phil team are on the side of Natalee more than anything else.  It would be better to get the depositions and case documents CBS/Dr.Phil are requesting/requiring.  I believe that's what they are all holding out for.  That small chance.  For Natalee.

Klaas

It appears that it is not the Dr. Phil team who are prolonging the lawsuit for any lofty motive.  Following a 2008 failure to comply by the Kalpoes' attorneys ... the McGraw attorneys motioned the court to dismiss the case.  The motion was denied.

At that time the judge extended the request to comply deadline by five days.  Five days have come and passed 2 1/2 years ago and ... still the lawsuit has not been dismissed.  The judge has granted repeated extentions since.  Why?

Janet

++++++++

Feb 6, 2008 5:00 am US/Pacific
Former Holloway Suspects Can Sue Dr. Phil


A judge refused to dismiss a defamation suit Tuesday against CBS and television psychologist "Dr. Phil" McGraw brought by two brothers who were questioned in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. ....

In their dismissal motion, attorneys for CBS Television and McGraw maintained lawyers for the Kalpoes did not meet deadlines to produce all documents they have demanded concerning the criminal case investigation against the brothers in Aruba.

But the judge gave the Kalpoes' lawyers another five days to satisfy the document deadline.

"The documents are relevant to the most fundamental issues in this case," Ferns stated in his ruling. "There is no other (information) which can substitute for the documents sought by the defendants due to the nature of this case."

In June, another judge dismissed a wrongful death case against the Kalpoes by Holloway's parents, ruling the Los Angeles Superior Court did not have jurisdiction. The parents maintained the brothers conceded jurisdiction when they sued CBS and McGraw in Los Angeles.

http://cbs2.com/entertainment/doctor.phil.mcgraw.2.647163.html


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 31, 2010, 09:26:25 AM
Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Page 184
- Then FBI agent Bill comes by and delivers the final blow.  "The FBI has never received one single document from the Arubans.  No one tape.  Nothing," he says sadly.  Despite our personal pleas to authorities here and our broadcast appeals to Aruba to let the FBI lend a hand, and regardless of Aruba's public response that it would welcome FBI assistance, the island never let FBI agents in on the investigation.  Never passed them the ball.  Not even for one minute.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: msmarple on August 31, 2010, 03:24:50 PM
I think it's time for these again ...

* * *
Memorable Quotes
(Running Llist – Additions WELCOME)

No body, no case
(Paulus van der Sloot, “poolside chat” with J2K, afternoon/evening 05/30/2005)

How did you get here so fast
(Paulus to “the Alabama posse,” early a.m. 05/31 2005)

You do not have jurisdiction
(Paulus to “the Alabama posse,” early a.m. 05/31 2005 - Deepak quoting Paulus, Deepak PV statement, 06/13/2005)

I’ll have to eat my frosted flakes first
(Detective Dennis Jacobs, to Beth & Jug, 8:00 am or later that a.m., 05/31/2005)

Well how much money you got?
(Detective Dennis Jacobs, to Dave, 06/01/2005)

Well, just go on down to Carlos 'N Charlie's ... Watch your drink. That's one thing you better do is watch your drink
(Detective Dennis Jacobs, to Dave, 06/01/2005)

I could not find “rush in like cowboys” - msmarple, but I seem to have two “cowboy” quotes --)

We can’t book people when we want… (like) a bunch of cowboys
(Karin Jannsen, Lead prosecutor in the Natalee Holloway disappearance, 06/03/05)

“updated 6/26/2005 7:49:23 AM ET
“Aruban authorities have defended their handling of the case, saying meticulous police work takes time.
‘You have to build up an investigation. You can’t just go in there like a cowboy,’ Janssen said last week when asked why investigators waited more than two weeks to search the van der Sloot home.”
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8362818/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts// (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8362818/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts//)

Something bad happened
(Deputy Chief Gerold Dompig to AP, attributing to “one of three young men,” 06/12/2005)

I called Deepak and he came with two dogs. I think he raped the girl and did something to her
(Joran PV statement, 06/13/2005)

Joran van der Sloot is a disturbed/sick person, he has admitted that he is in the care of a psychologist and that he hits his brother
(Deepak PV statement, 6/16/2005)

To your question how Natalee was that night in “Carlos & Charlies”, I can say the following. She danced beautifully, I had lied in my previous statement about her being unsteady on her feet when she stepped off the podium/stage. That was beside the truth. She had a steady walk
(Deepak PV statement, 06/22/2005)

Satish, why you guys lie to Mama?
(Nadia Ramirez, 2K’s mother, re. “Holiday Inn story,” to Greta, 06/24/2005)

Your own father, unbelievable
(Deepak to Joran, “secret recording” in polis van, 06/25/2005)

If they find that girl, then they will see that *hit
(Joran to 2K, “secret recording” in polis van, 06/25/2005)

They're going to give you fifteen years if they find the girl
(Deepak to Joran, “secret recording” in polis van, 06/25/2005)


I am being repeatedly asked the same questions and I am sick and tired of that.
(Deepak PV statement – 06/30/2005)

This is a question of semantics. It's been a problem since day one
(Ruben Trapenberg, explaining that “formal charges” could be filed “as soon as Monday,” although Karin Janssen had told reporters that J2K had been charged with murder since their arrest, CDNN 07/01/2005)

Come on, we all lie. We all lie. As big people I know that I lie sometimes
(Nadia Ramirez, 2K’s mother, on Dr. Phil show, 09/05/2005)

One day, I will explain exactly what happened, but, right now, I don’t feel ready to do that
(Joran, A Current Affair, 09/26/2005)

… if you keep acting like this, Mr. Twitty, you know, we’re going to quit
(Jug quoting Karin Janssen, to Greta, 09/28/2005)

 I mean it's happened probably 20, 20 times nothing has ever gone wrong
(Joran to Greta, 03/03/2006)

If he gets in trouble later, he gives his concerned mother three thick kisses
(Interview by Floor Ligtvoet, printed in BN DeStem, 03/30/2006)

A delicious adolescent, he is simply a delicious youth!
(sometimes translated/quoted as “boy” and “sporter” instead of “youth”)
(Anita, from the same BN DeStem article, 03/30/2006)

msmarple includes this one because, well, just because:
We have no alien necessary that ounce come say how unsafely our island is. An Aruban who such call things, calls I to a country traitor, lets stand to an alien who gives a bad name to Aruba abroad. That is still more terrible
(Rudy Croes, MEP of Justice, 11/16/2006)

Why does this *hit always happen to me?
(Joran to Patrick, Peter de Vries tape, aired 02/03/2008)

I am a sporter
(Anita, quoting Joran, to Greta, 02/12/2008)

The effort was superb, but the game was fixed
(“private eye,” Natalee’s uncle, re. recovery of the findings of the Persistence ocean search, posted at SM 04/09/2008)

And I'd be good with a "Midnight Express" prison anywhere for Joran.
(Beth to Greta, 11/19/2008)

So much bad luck sometimes
(Joran, text message to Melody Granadillo, est. 06/03/2010 – “the day of his arrest”)

This isn't a coincidence, this murder
(Ricardo Flores, Stephany's father, to reporters in Lima, Peru, 06/04/2010)

I did not want to do it. {The girl saw private things.} She had no right. I approached her and she was scared. We discussed it and she tried to escape, and I took her neck and hit her
In some quotes, the bracketed phrase is stated as The girl intruded into my private life
(Joran’s “confession,” quoted by BNO News and La Republic, 06/07/2005; a confession he unsuccessfully has attempted to retract)

Van der Sloot said he was sick in the head and had not tasted food in two days
(Google translation from Spanish:
“Van der Sloot dijo sentirse mal de la cabeza y que no había probado alimentos en dos días.”
http://elcomercio.pe/noticia/494308/vea-primeros-minutos-joran-van-der-sloot-carcel (http://elcomercio.pe/noticia/494308/vea-primeros-minutos-joran-van-der-sloot-carcel) 06/13/2010)

(I included the above because “mal de la cabeza” is not the way one refers to a “headache” in Spanish, and we have the later statement from Anita, below.)

My son is sick in his head
(Anita, interview for De Telegraaf, published 06/20/2010)

* * *
Anyone have more information on the following? --

You just don't understand our legal system
(Arlene Ellis-Schipper – Date?)
I could not find this one. I tried several name spellings. Any ideas?

Girls just get lost sometimes
(Angelina?? I don’t know anything about this one ?? )

That Mother, she just wouldn't go away!
(Joran? Anita? to ? re. Beth, date ? - can anyone find this one ?? I thought it was in the Peter dV tape but couldn’t find it)
 
They didn't behave like a normal family with a missing daughter
(Joran? Anita? date?)

Aruba's job was not to babysit Beth's daughter. Beth sent her daughter to swim with the sharks, she is responsible for what ever happened to Natalee
(Glenda, aka Julia Renfroe - do we have a date on that?)



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on August 31, 2010, 03:44:26 PM
Janet - I have to disagree with you on this.  I don't think they have any intention of settling with the Kalpoes.  I believe they expect the case to be thrown out and so do I. 

I agree with Magnolia - CBS and Dr. Phil have these attorneys on their payroll.  The Kalpoes are a minor irritation to CBS but do allow some hope of getting information regarding the NH case which is their intention IMO.

Klaas

We will have to agree to disagree until the outcome of this lawsuit is revealed.  If I am wrong ...  I will be rejoicing while eating crow pie.

Considering no findings have been released from the FBI investigation of the hard drive ... I suspect that the McGraw recording was manipulated with the expectation there would be no significant backlash from the Kalpoes.  After all ... at the most Deepak and Satish would be ... as you pointed out ... only "minor irritations".

However ... McGraw and his "people" did not anticipate that the ATA/AHATA would enter the scenario and take advantage of the NFI findings by financially backing the Kalpoes in a defamation lawsuit in anticipation of ultimately reaping a windfall ... a windfall that implied the Kalpoes ... the attorneys and ... Aruba would financially benefit.

Could it be that the filing of the defamation lawsuit by the Kalpoes' attorneys implied that McGraw had two choices ... settle or ... challenge the lawsuit by going in another direction.  The defence's strategy?  Case documentation would be requested.  The Kalpoes' own words and the words of those within the ALE would be evidence that no defamation occurred even if the tape was manipulated.

Why has the defamation lawsuit not been thrown out.  There has been four years of repeated extentions granted following non-compliance to court requests.

I suspect the Kalpoes' high priced attorneys are challenging the requests for documentation.  The Kalpoes' high priced attorneys must be citing that the incriminating case documents are not relevent to the defamation lawsuit ... only the disputed McGraw recording.

I would love to be wrong in my speculations.  I do not want it revealed that there was a manipulation of the tape.  I do not want the Kalpoes and their backer to emerge the victors.  The implication would be that ... for the sake of ratings ... Phil McGraw's attempt to deceive ... ultimately lined the pockets of those who were involved in the happenings encompassing the morning of May 30, 2005 and ... those within the Aruban administration who have been behind the misinformation campaign to pervent justice from prevailing for Natalee Holloway.

BTW ... a little googling will reveal that in the past negotiated settlements have happened in regards to lawsuits filed against the great Phil McGraw and his high priced attorneys.

Janet


I absolutely believe that Dr. Phil's attorneys knew someone was footing the bill for the Kalpoes.  They knew the Kalpoes didn't have two nickels to rub together.



And the Kalpoe attorneys took the case on a contingency fee.  IMO

I think they took it on a contingincy basis too, Magnolia! For whatever it's worth, I believe that if Dr. Phil's atty's were going to settle, they would have done it by now and agree with those that think Dr. Phil's atty's would love to get any information from the Kalpoes about Natalee. I'm sure there are altruistic motives for wanting the information, but if they could manage to extract info from K2 while in deposition, it would prove to be big money for Dr. Phil and CBS as well. That information would draw a very large audience! Keep in mind the nature of depositions. Basically, anything can be asked and an answer is expected. K2's attys can log an objection, but the question is answered. Later, at the points of objection, a judge can rule whether it comes in to the trial. A deposition is a big 'ole fishing expedition, and the fish in the Kalpoe/Dr. Phil lake is Satish and Deepak!

I would imagine that K2's atty's were far more encouraged in the beginning about actually collecting a fee, and Joran's arrest in Peru was a blow to them. At one point, they had Joran on the DeVries video saying that K2 had nothing to do with Natalee's death. Things have gotten muddier since then and clearly Joran has shown over and over that if his mouth is open, he is lying. Nothing changes the fact that Natalee left with all 3 boys and all 3 boys lied about the HI drop off, for example. Those boys in a deposition is a dream come true for Natalee's family and a nightmare for them, IMO. Aruba would once again be under a microscope for inaction in the face of wildly inconsistant statements, following a deposition. The questions wouldn't come from an Aruban good ole boy with an agenda, and their answers couldn't stand next to the ones they've already given, IMO.

Just my thoughts............


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: wreck on August 31, 2010, 06:20:58 PM
Janet - I have to disagree with you on this.  I don't think they have any intention of settling with the Kalpoes.  I believe they expect the case to be thrown out and so do I. 

I agree with Magnolia - CBS and Dr. Phil have these attorneys on their payroll.  The Kalpoes are a minor irritation to CBS but do allow some hope of getting information regarding the NH case which is their intention IMO.

Klaas

We will have to agree to disagree until the outcome of this lawsuit is revealed.  If I am wrong ...  I will be rejoicing while eating crow pie.

Considering no findings have been released from the FBI investigation of the hard drive ... I suspect that the McGraw recording was manipulated with the expectation there would be no significant backlash from the Kalpoes.  After all ... at the most Deepak and Satish would be ... as you pointed out ... only "minor irritations".

However ... McGraw and his "people" did not anticipate that the ATA/AHATA would enter the scenario and take advantage of the NFI findings by financially backing the Kalpoes in a defamation lawsuit in anticipation of ultimately reaping a windfall ... a windfall that implied the Kalpoes ... the attorneys and ... Aruba would financially benefit.

Could it be that the filing of the defamation lawsuit by the Kalpoes' attorneys implied that McGraw had two choices ... settle or ... challenge the lawsuit by going in another direction.  The defence's strategy?  Case documentation would be requested.  The Kalpoes' own words and the words of those within the ALE would be evidence that no defamation occurred even if the tape was manipulated.

Why has the defamation lawsuit not been thrown out.  There has been four years of repeated extentions granted following non-compliance to court requests.

I suspect the Kalpoes' high priced attorneys are challenging the requests for documentation.  The Kalpoes' high priced attorneys must be citing that the incriminating case documents are not relevent to the defamation lawsuit ... only the disputed McGraw recording.

I would love to be wrong in my speculations.  I do not want it revealed that there was a manipulation of the tape.  I do not want the Kalpoes and their backer to emerge the victors.  The implication would be that ... for the sake of ratings ... Phil McGraw's attempt to deceive ... ultimately lined the pockets of those who were involved in the happenings encompassing the morning of May 30, 2005 and ... those within the Aruban administration who have been behind the misinformation campaign to pervent justice from prevailing for Natalee Holloway.

BTW ... a little googling will reveal that in the past negotiated settlements have happened in regards to lawsuits filed against the great Phil McGraw and his high priced attorneys.

Janet


I absolutely believe that Dr. Phil's attorneys knew someone was footing the bill for the Kalpoes.  They knew the Kalpoes didn't have two nickels to rub together.



And the Kalpoe attorneys took the case on a contingency fee.  IMO

I think they took it on a contingincy basis too, Magnolia! For whatever it's worth, I believe that if Dr. Phil's atty's were going to settle, they would have done it by now and agree with those that think Dr. Phil's atty's would love to get any information from the Kalpoes about Natalee. I'm sure there are altruistic motives for wanting the information, but if they could manage to extract info from K2 while in deposition, it would prove to be big money for Dr. Phil and CBS as well. That information would draw a very large audience! Keep in mind the nature of depositions. Basically, anything can be asked and an answer is expected. K2's attys can log an objection, but the question is answered. Later, at the points of objection, a judge can rule whether it comes in to the trial. A deposition is a big 'ole fishing expedition, and the fish in the Kalpoe/Dr. Phil lake is Satish and Deepak!

I would imagine that K2's atty's were far more encouraged in the beginning about actually collecting a fee, and Joran's arrest in Peru was a blow to them. At one point, they had Joran on the DeVries video saying that K2 had nothing to do with Natalee's death. Things have gotten muddier since then and clearly Joran has shown over and over that if his mouth is open, he is lying. Nothing changes the fact that Natalee left with all 3 boys and all 3 boys lied about the HI drop off, for example. Those boys in a deposition is a dream come true for Natalee's family and a nightmare for them, IMO. Aruba would once again be under a microscope for inaction in the face of wildly inconsistant statements, following a deposition. The questions wouldn't come from an Aruban good ole boy with an agenda, and their answers couldn't stand next to the ones they've already given, IMO.

Just my thoughts............

You are right on - IMO!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Anna on August 31, 2010, 06:55:57 PM
If this case is "thrown out" there goes the only hope of ever getting documents in Discovery and the Kalpoes under oath in deposition.

A case can't be tried or even go to trial until the Discovery requests have been met.

And NO WHERE does John Q Kelly say the Kalpoes lawyers are laying the ground rules.

This is the United States of America and the laws of this country prevail here.  It doesn't matter what some attorney in Aruba wants.  Any ruleing made on Aruban law would lose on appeal.

So if this is tossed the Kaploes are off the hook.  As it is, they can either hand over the documents, give depositions or wait forever for their day in court.

And there is nothing difficult about that to understand.  It doesn't matter if the tape was manipulated or not in regard to Discovery.  They STILL have to comply. 

And wreck is correct.  The judge is NOT hearing ANY evidence as that would be illegal before the trial.  Even if he were to do so, this will likely be a jury trial anyway and it is they would would decide.

Given that the whole world knows what Joran is and what he has done, they are not going to see the Kalpoes as having had any reputaion to destroy in the first part.

People who are concerned about their good name and reputation do not act as chauffeur for the likes of Joran van der Sloot.  That pretty well takes care of the "character" question by itself.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Anna on August 31, 2010, 07:14:39 PM
When you file a lawsuit, it is implied and understood that you both can and will comply with Discovery.  Otherwise, don't file one.

And it doesn't matter if the documents are relevant or not to the tape or even the case, you can ask just just about any and everything in Discovery if it is even the most remote instance related to the case and often even if it isn't.

The judge later decides what will and will not be allowed to be entered into evidence at the trial.  Some things in Discovery may not be allowed because they are irrelevant but the parties still have to provide them.

And most especially does the complaining party have to comply.  You can't just accuse somebody and then refuse to give them what they need for form a defense.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Anna on August 31, 2010, 07:22:26 PM
OK, I want to see this "girlfriend" of Joran.

Where is Jinkasaurus when we need her?

Maybe it's true.  And maybe Joran is making it all up and it's some elderly woman delivering his groceries.

In any evnet I just want to see her.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Magnolia on August 31, 2010, 10:03:53 PM
OK, I want to see this "girlfriend" of Joran.

Where is Jinkasaurus when we need her?

Maybe it's true.  And maybe Joran is making it all up and it's some elderly woman delivering his groceries.

In any evnet I just want to see her.


Anita is getting quite a bargain at only $100 per week for servicing Joran.

I think "his girlfriend" should demand a raise. ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: wreck on August 31, 2010, 10:13:30 PM
Wasn't August 27th the date to decide if this case is "complex"?? I was out of town until yesterday -- did I miss it?  ::MonkeyQuestion::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: MuffyBee on August 31, 2010, 10:19:24 PM
OK, I want to see this "girlfriend" of Joran.

Where is Jinkasaurus when we need her?

Maybe it's true.  And maybe Joran is making it all up and it's some elderly woman delivering his groceries.

In any evnet I just want to see her.


Anita is getting quite a bargain at only $100 per week for servicing Joran.

I think "his girlfriend" should demand a raise. ::MonkeyDevil::

 ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyDevil::

Well, then we need to consider the perks of the job, right?  The side benefits.  Besides her $100.00 a week, she gets to hobnob with the delicious sporter and the upright citizens of the world at prison.   She gets her five minutes of fame/notoriety.  Some say there is no bad publicity...  Maybe she's got a book deal?  Maybe the "girlfriend" will get some sort of benefit we don't know about yet, obtained through influence, via Anita and her connections.  This "girlfriend" must be getting something out of this, besides a hundred bucks a week.  Just going near that place every week would make one want to go get fumigated after each visit, to say the least.  ALL JMHO of course  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Magnolia on August 31, 2010, 10:37:53 PM
OK, I want to see this "girlfriend" of Joran.

Where is Jinkasaurus when we need her?

Maybe it's true.  And maybe Joran is making it all up and it's some elderly woman delivering his groceries.

In any evnet I just want to see her.


Anita is getting quite a bargain at only $100 per week for servicing Joran.

I think "his girlfriend" should demand a raise. ::MonkeyDevil::

 ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyDevil::

Well, then we need to consider the perks of the job, right?  The side benefits.  Besides her $100.00 a week, she gets to hobnob with the delicious sporter and the upright citizens of the world at prison.   She gets her five minutes of fame/notoriety.  Some say there is no bad publicity...  Maybe she's got a book deal?  Maybe the "girlfriend" will get some sort of benefit we don't know about yet, obtained through influence, via Anita and her connections.  This "girlfriend" must be getting something out of this, besides a hundred bucks a week.  Just going near that place every week would make one want to go get fumigated after each visit, to say the least.  ALL JMHO of course  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Somehow, I envision Little Red Riding Hood in the red hooded cape and a basket of
goodies on her arm.  ::MonkeyShocked::
I think I may have it all wrong though.  Surely someone will get a picture of her soon. ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on August 31, 2010, 10:50:25 PM
Most recent filing in the Kalpoe vs. Dr. Phil case:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/Stipluation1.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/Stipulation2.jpg)

Bumped for wreck..


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: wreck on August 31, 2010, 10:52:21 PM
Most recent filing in the Kalpoe vs. Dr. Phil case:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/Stipluation1.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/Stipulation2.jpg)

Bumped for wreck..
Gracias --- so delayed again to Sep 28th?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: MuffyBee on August 31, 2010, 10:55:14 PM
OK, I want to see this "girlfriend" of Joran.

Where is Jinkasaurus when we need her?

Maybe it's true.  And maybe Joran is making it all up and it's some elderly woman delivering his groceries.

In any evnet I just want to see her.


Anita is getting quite a bargain at only $100 per week for servicing Joran.

I think "his girlfriend" should demand a raise. ::MonkeyDevil::

 ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyDevil::

Well, then we need to consider the perks of the job, right?  The side benefits.  Besides her $100.00 a week, she gets to hobnob with the delicious sporter and the upright citizens of the world at prison.   She gets her five minutes of fame/notoriety.  Some say there is no bad publicity...  Maybe she's got a book deal?  Maybe the "girlfriend" will get some sort of benefit we don't know about yet, obtained through influence, via Anita and her connections.  This "girlfriend" must be getting something out of this, besides a hundred bucks a week.  Just going near that place every week would make one want to go get fumigated after each visit, to say the least.  ALL JMHO of course  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Somehow, I envision Little Red Riding Hood in the red hooded cape and a basket of
goodies on her arm.  ::MonkeyShocked::
I think I may have it all wrong though.  Surely someone will get a picture of her soon. ::MonkeyHaHa::


Little Red Riding Hood? j/k

(http://images.halloweencostume.com/sexy-red-riding-hood.jpg)

Anyone care to wager how long it will be before the "girlfriend's"  pic shows up in a tabloid?   $$$


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on August 31, 2010, 11:02:03 PM
Most recent filing in the Kalpoe vs. Dr. Phil case:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/Stipluation1.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/Stipulation2.jpg)

Bumped for wreck..
Gracias --- so delayed again to Sep 28th?

Yep...se nada (sp?), wreck.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: wreck on August 31, 2010, 11:12:34 PM
Most recent filing in the Kalpoe vs. Dr. Phil case:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/Stipluation1.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/Stipulation2.jpg)

Bumped for wreck..
Gracias --- so delayed again to Sep 28th?

Yep...se nada (sp?), wreck.
no comprende, por que? ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Magnolia on August 31, 2010, 11:16:09 PM
OK, I want to see this "girlfriend" of Joran.

Where is Jinkasaurus when we need her?

Maybe it's true.  And maybe Joran is making it all up and it's some elderly woman delivering his groceries.

In any evnet I just want to see her.


Anita is getting quite a bargain at only $100 per week for servicing Joran.

I think "his girlfriend" should demand a raise. ::MonkeyDevil::

 ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyDevil::

Well, then we need to consider the perks of the job, right?  The side benefits.  Besides her $100.00 a week, she gets to hobnob with the delicious sporter and the upright citizens of the world at prison.   She gets her five minutes of fame/notoriety.  Some say there is no bad publicity...  Maybe she's got a book deal?  Maybe the "girlfriend" will get some sort of benefit we don't know about yet, obtained through influence, via Anita and her connections.  This "girlfriend" must be getting something out of this, besides a hundred bucks a week.  Just going near that place every week would make one want to go get fumigated after each visit, to say the least.  ALL JMHO of course  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Somehow, I envision Little Red Riding Hood in the red hooded cape and a basket of
goodies on her arm.  ::MonkeyShocked::
I think I may have it all wrong though.  Surely someone will get a picture of her soon. ::MonkeyHaHa::


Little Red Riding Hood? j/k

(http://images.halloweencostume.com/sexy-red-riding-hood.jpg)

Anyone care to wager how long it will be before the "girlfriend's"  pic shows up in a tabloid?   $$$


THAT'S HER !!!!  You got the first pic Muffy!

Now don't you think Anita should pay her more than $100 a week?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: MuffyBee on August 31, 2010, 11:25:16 PM
OK, I want to see this "girlfriend" of Joran.

Where is Jinkasaurus when we need her?

Maybe it's true.  And maybe Joran is making it all up and it's some elderly woman delivering his groceries.

In any evnet I just want to see her.


Anita is getting quite a bargain at only $100 per week for servicing Joran.

I think "his girlfriend" should demand a raise. ::MonkeyDevil::

 ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyDevil::

Well, then we need to consider the perks of the job, right?  The side benefits.  Besides her $100.00 a week, she gets to hobnob with the delicious sporter and the upright citizens of the world at prison.   She gets her five minutes of fame/notoriety.  Some say there is no bad publicity...  Maybe she's got a book deal?  Maybe the "girlfriend" will get some sort of benefit we don't know about yet, obtained through influence, via Anita and her connections.  This "girlfriend" must be getting something out of this, besides a hundred bucks a week.  Just going near that place every week would make one want to go get fumigated after each visit, to say the least.  ALL JMHO of course  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Somehow, I envision Little Red Riding Hood in the red hooded cape and a basket of
goodies on her arm.  ::MonkeyShocked::
I think I may have it all wrong though.  Surely someone will get a picture of her soon. ::MonkeyHaHa::


Little Red Riding Hood? j/k

(http://images.halloweencostume.com/sexy-red-riding-hood.jpg)

Anyone care to wager how long it will be before the "girlfriend's"  pic shows up in a tabloid?   $$$


THAT'S HER !!!!  You got the first pic Muffy!

Now don't you think Anita should pay her more than $100 a week?


 :smt045 :smt045 :smt045 :smt045


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Shell on August 31, 2010, 11:43:41 PM
What a great letter.The police own whore houses!Aruba at it's finest... ::piggy::

Those police ARE whore's-figuratively speaking.

  ::MonkeyShovel:: Aruba meet your maker >>>  ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: MuffyBee on August 31, 2010, 11:45:01 PM
What a great letter.The police own whore houses!Aruba at it's finest... ::piggy::

Those police ARE whore's-figuratively speaking.

  ::MonkeyShovel:: Aruba meet your maker >>>  ::MonkeyDevil::


(bolded by me)
Hi Shell ::HelloKitty::  It's great to see you again.   ::MonkeyJnBox::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Shell on August 31, 2010, 11:50:03 PM


I have been MIA for a while. Any recent pics/news about the sporter?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Shell on August 31, 2010, 11:50:59 PM


Thanks Muffy, good to see you too, how you been?  ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: klaasend on September 01, 2010, 12:07:54 AM


I have been MIA for a while. Any recent pics/news about the sporter?

Hi Shell - good to see you.  Nothing really new except he's still in jail and appealing his confession or something. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on September 01, 2010, 12:09:26 AM
Most recent filing in the Kalpoe vs. Dr. Phil case:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/Stipluation1.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/Stipulation2.jpg)

Bumped for wreck..
Gracias --- so delayed again to Sep 28th?

Yep...se nada (sp?), wreck.
no comprende, por que? ::MonkeyDevil::

This gringa took French in HS many years ago and even tested Spanish versions of applications in her line of work.  It's all not coming back to me!  LOL.  I probably ride a bike and type better than being a linguist. 

You are welcome, senor wreck, or better yet, no problemo.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Magnolia on September 01, 2010, 12:18:27 AM
I wondered last week if I could still ride a bike that wasn't stationary.

They say you never forget. ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on September 01, 2010, 12:21:14 AM
I wondered last week if I could still ride a bike that wasn't stationary.

They say you never forget. ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::  Exactly....

 ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Shell on September 01, 2010, 02:37:39 AM
I wondered last week if I could still ride a bike that wasn't stationary.

They say you never forget. ::MonkeyHaHa::

Well, the last time I got on one I did not forget how to ride but I did forget how to *stop*. Haven't gotten on one since, it scared me so bad!!!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Sleuth on September 01, 2010, 03:09:17 AM


I have been MIA for a while. Any recent pics/news about the sporter?

Hi Shell - good to see you.  Nothing really new except he's still in jail and appealing his confession or something. 

There is the one new picture of Joran with his cellblock buddies (reports indicated that they have since been relocated). They were going to find out and reprimand whoever took the photo...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on September 01, 2010, 03:18:16 AM
OK, I want to see this "girlfriend" of Joran.

Where is Jinkasaurus when we need her?

Maybe it's true.  And maybe Joran is making it all up and it's some elderly woman delivering his groceries.

In any evnet I just want to see her.


Anita is getting quite a bargain at only $100 per week for servicing Joran.

I think "his girlfriend" should demand a raise. ::MonkeyDevil::

 ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyDevil::

Well, then we need to consider the perks of the job, right?  The side benefits.  Besides her $100.00 a week, she gets to hobnob with the delicious sporter and the upright citizens of the world at prison.   She gets her five minutes of fame/notoriety.  Some say there is no bad publicity...  Maybe she's got a book deal?  Maybe the "girlfriend" will get some sort of benefit we don't know about yet, obtained through influence, via Anita and her connections.  This "girlfriend" must be getting something out of this, besides a hundred bucks a week.  Just going near that place every week would make one want to go get fumigated after each visit, to say the least.  ALL JMHO of course  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Somehow, I envision Little Red Riding Hood in the red hooded cape and a basket of
goodies on her arm.  ::MonkeyShocked::
I think I may have it all wrong though.  Surely someone will get a picture of her soon. ::MonkeyHaHa::


Little Red Riding Hood? j/k

(http://images.halloweencostume.com/sexy-red-riding-hood.jpg)

Anyone care to wager how long it will be before the "girlfriend's"  pic shows up in a tabloid?   $$$

I don't know how long, but if "girlfriend" wasn't separated by bars with Joran it would be very likely her picture would show up in the obituaries! Girl's aren't safe around him!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on September 01, 2010, 06:40:51 AM
I'm back and forth  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Can you believe that photo Jan Brennan uses?  Can't she do better than that?  Seriously? 

Ugh......it falls into the catagory of 'Pat' on Saturday night live.... :roll:


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on September 01, 2010, 09:51:24 AM
Happy Hump Day      ::MonkeyBike::

(http://www.bucuticam.com/album2/Images/243.zoom3.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on September 01, 2010, 11:17:19 AM
O/T kinda/sorta BUT interesting...................

Rave Teen Death Attributed to Ecstasy Poisoning
Updated 6:48 PM PDT, Tue, Aug 31, 2010

A 15-year-old girl who died at California Hospital Medical Center two days after attending the Electric Daisy Carnival rave at the

Los Angeles County Coliseum, died of ecstasy poisoning, the coroner's office confirmed Tuesday. 
 
Sasha Rodriguez died of Methylenedioxymethamphetamine poisoning, according to Christie McCracken, an investigator with the Los Angeles County Coroner's office. Methylenedioxymethamphetamine is the technical name for MDMA, the popular drug better known as ecstasy.
   
Ecstasy poisoning was suspected from the start when the girl, who was identified by the coroner's office as Sasha Roth, arrived at California Hospital Medical Center in a coma. She had attended the rave event at the Coliseum June 27.
   
Dr. Marc Futernick, head emergency room physician at California Hospital Medical Center, told the Los Angeles Times the hallucinogen caused Sasha to lose oxygen to her brain, leading to her death.
   
He said the girl experienced seizures during her time at the hospital where she stayed until her brain died. On June 29, she was taken off life support.
   
SNIPPED....
http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local-beat/Rave-Teen-Death-Attributed-to-Ecstasy-Poisoning-101936658.html


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on September 01, 2010, 11:40:30 AM
O/T kinda/sorta BUT interesting...................

Rave Teen Death Attributed to Ecstasy Poisoning
Updated 6:48 PM PDT, Tue, Aug 31, 2010

A 15-year-old girl who died at California Hospital Medical Center two days after attending the Electric Daisy Carnival rave at the

Los Angeles County Coliseum, died of ecstasy poisoning, the coroner's office confirmed Tuesday. 
 
Sasha Rodriguez died of Methylenedioxymethamphetamine poisoning, according to Christie McCracken, an investigator with the Los Angeles County Coroner's office. Methylenedioxymethamphetamine is the technical name for MDMA, the popular drug better known as ecstasy.
   
Ecstasy poisoning was suspected from the start when the girl, who was identified by the coroner's office as Sasha Roth, arrived at California Hospital Medical Center in a coma. She had attended the rave event at the Coliseum June 27.
   
Dr. Marc Futernick, head emergency room physician at California Hospital Medical Center, told the Los Angeles Times the hallucinogen caused Sasha to lose oxygen to her brain, leading to her death.
   
He said the girl experienced seizures during her time at the hospital where she stayed until her brain died. On June 29, she was taken off life support.
   
SNIPPED....
http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local-beat/Rave-Teen-Death-Attributed-to-Ecstasy-Poisoning-101936658.html

Very interesting, Nut.  Thank you.   


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on September 01, 2010, 12:15:28 PM
This may have been posted already.  I apologize if it's a repeat.

New Chief of Mission at United States Consulate General Curacao
 General News     August 31st, 2010
No comments (RSS 2.0)

(http://www.aruba.com/news/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/Valerie-Belon-199x300.jpg)
The Consulate General of the United States of America announces the arrival of the new U.S. Chief of Mission for the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba, Ms. Valerie Belon. She succeeds Mr. Timothy J. Dunn.

On August 26, 2010, Consul General Valerie Belon assumed her responsibilities as Consul General for the United States of America in the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba. As Consul General and Chief of Mission, she will remain responsible for Aruba and all islands of the Netherlands Antilles throughout the dissolution process as the senior representative of the United States Government.

Valerie Belon has enjoyed a 20-year career as a Foreign Service Officer in the U.S. State Department, specializing primarily in economic development, regulation, investment, and environmental issues. Most recently, she was the Senior Benelux Desk Officer at the State Department, taking the lead role for all Dutch and Luxembourg issues as well as overseeing the desk officer for Belgium.

From August 2008 until June 2009, Valerie Belon managed all outreach and public diplomacy efforts related to the Summit of the Americas in the Bureau for Western Hemisphere Affairs, which culminated in President Obama’s participation in the Summit hosted by Trinidad and Tobago in April 2009. Her overseas postings began in 1991 with a war-time assignment to Congo-Brazzaville, where she coordinated the evacuation of over 3,000 American citizens, including many remotely-located Peace Corps volunteers and missionaries. She ended her Africa tour as Acting Deputy Chief of Mission during a period of civil unrest with dusk-to-dawn curfews. She also completed assignments at the U.S. Embassies in Belize City (1995-1998), Panama City (1999-2002), and Paris (2002-2006).

Consul General Belon is fluent in French and Spanish. Prior to joining the Foreign Service, she worked in the U.S. Senate as a legislative staff assistant. She earned a degree in Economics from University, a Masters in Business Administration from the University of California Los Angeles, and a Master’s degree in International Policy Studies from Stanford University. Valerie Belon was born and raised in Fairbanks, Alaska, and has family ties to California and France. She resides in Willemstad with her pre-school-aged daughter, Lucy.

Story courtesy of Aruba Today

http://www.aruba.com/news/general-news/new-chief-of-mission-at-united-states-consulate-general-curacao/#more-4423


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Puzzler on September 01, 2010, 12:56:19 PM
http://www.nationalenquirer.com/joran_vandersloot_prison_romance/celebrity/69255

JORAN'S PRISON ROMANCE
Accused killer JORAN VAN DER SLOOT has begun a jailhouse romance with a mystery woman who’s been allowed to visit him in his cell, The ENQUIRER has learned exclusively.

The slim, 30-something blonde calls on Dutch-born Joran twice a week at the grim Miguel Castro Castro prison in Lima, Peru.

“She’s a white foreigner with short blonde hair who speaks English and Spanish fluently. Guards as well as prisoners refer to her as 'the Dutchman’s gringa,’” revealed a source close to the case.

Joran has called the woman “my girlfriend” in conversations with Hugo Trujillo Ospina aka “The Clown,” the Colombian assassin who shares his cell block. However, it is unlikely that Joran has been able to get very intimate with the woman inside the 2,300-inmate prison because he is never left unguarded.

She began visiting van der Sloot, 23, on June 20 — 17 days after he was arrested for the brutal murder of Stephany Flores, the 21-year-old daughter of a wealthy businessman.

According to prison sources, the unlikely romance blossomed after van der Sloot’s mother began paying the woman $100 a month to take him food, money and clothing, and report on his condition.

During one recent 30-minute visit, guards’ records show that she brought him five cans of tuna and another five cans of beans with bacon, plus bread, jam and water.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on September 01, 2010, 01:45:50 PM
http://www.nationalenquirer.com/joran_vandersloot_prison_romance/celebrity/69255

JORAN'S PRISON ROMANCE
Accused killer JORAN VAN DER SLOOT has begun a jailhouse romance with a mystery woman who’s been allowed to visit him in his cell, The ENQUIRER has learned exclusively.

The slim, 30-something blonde calls on Dutch-born Joran twice a week at the grim Miguel Castro Castro prison in Lima, Peru.

“She’s a white foreigner with short blonde hair who speaks English and Spanish fluently. Guards as well as prisoners refer to her as 'the Dutchman’s gringa,’” revealed a source close to the case.

Joran has called the woman “my girlfriend” in conversations with Hugo Trujillo Ospina aka “The Clown,” the Colombian assassin who shares his cell block. However, it is unlikely that Joran has been able to get very intimate with the woman inside the 2,300-inmate prison because he is never left unguarded.

She began visiting van der Sloot, 23, on June 20 — 17 days after he was arrested for the brutal murder of Stephany Flores, the 21-year-old daughter of a wealthy businessman.

According to prison sources, the unlikely romance blossomed after van der Sloot’s mother began paying the woman $100 a month to take him food, money and clothing, and report on his condition.

During one recent 30-minute visit, guards’ records show that she brought him five cans of tuna and another five cans of beans with bacon, plus bread, jam and water.



Tuna and beans....phew!!     ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: texasmom on September 01, 2010, 05:42:21 PM
http://www.opposingviews.com/i/joran-van-der-sloot-has-a-girlfriend

Joran Van Der Sloot Has a Girlfriend

News by Crazy Days and Nights
(15 Hours Ago) in Society / Crime

(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_2njq2Guqp4c/TH1aOELbbGI/AAAAAAABVf4/aWLfWug4l54/s400/jvs.jpg)

Apparently Joran Van Der Sloot still attracts the ladies. Either they are idiots, or they have some type of terminal illness, so they don't feel threatened by being in his presence. Anything other than that and, well, I wonder what is wrong with you. According to The Enquirer, the woman, in her 30s, visits Joran in his cell. Not a waiting room or a visitors' room, but in his cell. Conjugal visits? Well, who knows. What The Enquirer does know is that she was originally hired by Joran's mom to bring Joran food. The rest just came naturally after some visits.

She is only there 30 minutes each time, but there is no limit to the number of times she is allowed to visit. Joran has referred to her as his girlfriend.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Edward on September 01, 2010, 06:03:58 PM
WTF ?
Peru allows a woman inside of there prison system ?? Do all the guards get a chance to strip search her and take a peek inside ?? looking for drugs guns and school buses ?

Well I suppose it does not surprize me all that much..
Anita found a whore just like her to keep her little killer-boy happy....

So what else is new >


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: wreck on September 01, 2010, 06:37:49 PM
WTF ?
Peru allows a woman inside of there prison system ?? Do all the guards get a chance to strip search her and take a peek inside ?? looking for drugs guns and school buses ?

Well I suppose it does not surprize me all that much..
Anita found a whore just like her to keep her little killer-boy happy....

So what else is new >
Are we SURE she's a woman??  ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Magnolia on September 01, 2010, 06:46:10 PM
WTF ?
Peru allows a woman inside of there prison system ?? Do all the guards get a chance to strip search her and take a peek inside ?? looking for drugs guns and school buses ?

Well I suppose it does not surprize me all that much..
Anita found a whore just like her to keep her little killer-boy happy....

So what else is new >
Are we SURE she's a woman??  ::MonkeyDevil::


I think she is an employee of the Dutch embassy.  Anita is only paying her $100 a month,
not a week....so she is a bargain
Joran, as well as all Dutch prisoner's on foreign soil, gets something like $40 a month from the
government to pay for essentials.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Ono on September 01, 2010, 06:53:00 PM
http://www.nationalenquirer.com/joran_vandersloot_prison_romance/celebrity/69255

JORAN'S PRISON ROMANCE
Accused killer JORAN VAN DER SLOOT has begun a jailhouse romance with a mystery woman who’s been allowed to visit him in his cell, The ENQUIRER has learned exclusively.

The slim, 30-something blonde calls on Dutch-born Joran twice a week at the grim Miguel Castro Castro prison in Lima, Peru.

“She’s a white foreigner with short blonde hair who speaks English and Spanish fluently. Guards as well as prisoners refer to her as 'the Dutchman’s gringa,’” revealed a source close to the case.

Joran has called the woman “my girlfriend” in conversations with Hugo Trujillo Ospina aka “The Clown,” the Colombian assassin who shares his cell block. However, it is unlikely that Joran has been able to get very intimate with the woman inside the 2,300-inmate prison because he is never left unguarded.

She began visiting van der Sloot, 23, on June 20 — 17 days after he was arrested for the brutal murder of Stephany Flores, the 21-year-old daughter of a wealthy businessman.

According to prison sources, the unlikely romance blossomed after van der Sloot’s mother began paying the woman $100 a month to take him food, money and clothing, and report on his condition.

During one recent 30-minute visit, guards’ records show that she brought him five cans of tuna and another five cans of beans with bacon, plus bread, jam and water.



Tuna and beans....phew!!     ::MonkeyDevil::

LOL   Can you imagine the aroma of flatulence? lol


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Ono on September 01, 2010, 06:54:36 PM
WTF ?
Peru allows a woman inside of there prison system ?? Do all the guards get a chance to strip search her and take a peek inside ?? looking for drugs guns and school buses ?

Well I suppose it does not surprize me all that much..
Anita found a whore just like her to keep her little killer-boy happy....

So what else is new >
Are we SURE she's a woman??  ::MonkeyDevil::

Exactly ...   ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on September 01, 2010, 07:54:32 PM
Perhaps it's Jan Brennan :cool:


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Edward on September 01, 2010, 08:55:11 PM
 ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: klaasend on September 01, 2010, 08:56:28 PM
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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on September 02, 2010, 12:06:47 AM
http://www.nationalenquirer.com/joran_vandersloot_prison_romance/celebrity/69255

JORAN'S PRISON ROMANCE
Accused killer JORAN VAN DER SLOOT has begun a jailhouse romance with a mystery woman who’s been allowed to visit him in his cell, The ENQUIRER has learned exclusively.

The slim, 30-something blonde calls on Dutch-born Joran twice a week at the grim Miguel Castro Castro prison in Lima, Peru.

“She’s a white foreigner with short blonde hair who speaks English and Spanish fluently. Guards as well as prisoners refer to her as 'the Dutchman’s gringa,’” revealed a source close to the case.

Joran has called the woman “my girlfriend” in conversations with Hugo Trujillo Ospina aka “The Clown,” the Colombian assassin who shares his cell block. However, it is unlikely that Joran has been able to get very intimate with the woman inside the 2,300-inmate prison because he is never left unguarded.

She began visiting van der Sloot, 23, on June 20 — 17 days after he was arrested for the brutal murder of Stephany Flores, the 21-year-old daughter of a wealthy businessman.

According to prison sources, the unlikely romance blossomed after van der Sloot’s mother began paying the woman $100 a month to take him food, money and clothing, and report on his condition.

During one recent 30-minute visit, guards’ records show that she brought him five cans of tuna and another five cans of beans with bacon, plus bread, jam and water.



Tuna and beans....phew!!     ::MonkeyDevil::

LOL   Can you imagine the aroma of flatulence? lol

  ::MonkeyEek:: OMG! I'm trying to get that out of my head...........  eewwwww!!!   ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on September 02, 2010, 12:12:46 AM
WTF ?
Peru allows a woman inside of there prison system ?? Do all the guards get a chance to strip search her and take a peek inside ?? looking for drugs guns and school buses ?

Well I suppose it does not surprize me all that much..
Anita found a whore just like her to keep her little killer-boy happy....

So what else is new >
Are we SURE she's a woman??  ::MonkeyDevil::


I think she is an employee of the Dutch embassy.  Anita is only paying her $100 a month,
not a week....so she is a bargain
Joran, as well as all Dutch prisoner's on foreign soil, gets something like $40 a month from the
government to pay for essentials.

For $100.00 a month to go inside a jail cell with Joran, she'd have to be one of those inmate groupies or something. Must be an exclusive club she shares with Charles Manson and Scott Peterson female fans.   ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Jonathan45 on September 02, 2010, 01:30:40 AM
 http://www.nlgovlim.com/embajada_nl.htm

Maybe one of the females mentioned on this website is visiting Natalees killer every week.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Jonathan45 on September 02, 2010, 01:44:46 AM
Ellen Roof does the humanright stuff and is in contact with Amnesty people. Maybe she's blond.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Buckeye on September 02, 2010, 02:36:47 AM
Ellen Roof does the humanright stuff and is in contact with Amnesty people. Maybe she's blond.


Third row:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/39072859@N04/page3/


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Jonathan45 on September 02, 2010, 06:00:11 AM
@Buckeye

She's not the one. Almost 30 years working in Peru. Her department could be involved. Maybe among the other females a blond one ?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Jonathan45 on September 02, 2010, 08:21:49 AM
If the blond girl is related to a friend of Anita Hugen and staying or living in Lima, Peru, it could be Lila Megens-Mendoza, a teacher [spanish] at the ISA, Aruba.
In Nijmegen, the Netherlands there is a Janske Megens [ short blond hair, 3O years or so, her picture is on the internet]  was also at the Artschool in Arnhem. There is a Jussi Megens, works for a travel magazine called Columbus.
Megens-Mendoza could be connected to Peru.

There is also a Sergia Betancourt at the ISA.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Jonathan45 on September 02, 2010, 08:24:33 AM
Her website -  http://www.janskemegens.nl/info.php


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: klaasend on September 02, 2010, 09:42:14 AM
What should have been  ::MonkeyCool::

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/JoranPrison2010.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: texasmom on September 02, 2010, 02:54:08 PM
Not sure this is the same Luis Betancourt, but thought it was interesting. 

http://www.24ora.com/entretenimento-mainmenu-12/21520-luis-betancourt-a-bira-un-ganado-den-crystal-casino.html

Papiamentu translation:

luis betancourt owing to become one ganado in crystal casino

thursday, 02 september 2010 09:48

crystal casino is contento cada trip cu they can present publicamente one by they ganadonan, already cu the is one proof cu crystal y seaport casino have the mashinnan more los here at aruba. y is at where tourist y we person local they're bay before play y earn come across..

all day thousand by guilder is being entrega at tanto clientenan local because also tourist. the trip here owing to toca file at sr.luis infante betancourt cu owing to earn 3 thousand dollar at one by the engine they more like y play in crystal casino come across., come across.

sr.betancourt come across, procedente by venezuela owing to splica cu the likes aruba, y hour the is here, her casino preferi is crystal casino before motibo by the good servicio by her personal, kendenan is hendenan dainty. naturally one another motibo is also because crystal casino have the variacion by more big by slot machines y because game they by table y the unique casino on the island cu is open 24 hour.

sr.betancourt owing to say by is feliz cu her premium y cu is assure cu in her proximo visit the not can remain without happen at crystal casino, caminda her suerte is sigura.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: texasmom on September 02, 2010, 02:54:37 PM
What should have been  ::MonkeyCool::

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/JoranPrison2010.jpg)

 ::MonkeyGavel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: MuffyBee on September 02, 2010, 03:25:11 PM
What should have been  ::MonkeyCool::

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/JoranPrison2010.jpg)


 Does anyone else think Paulus would be the fourth person in this pic, if he were still alive?  He should have been in jail along with Joran, and the Kalpoes.  JMHO  All four of them should be in jail for their crimes against Natalee Holloway.  Again, jmho.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: wreck on September 02, 2010, 04:00:10 PM
Back to Joran's new "girl friend".............................. anyone think it might be Guido in a blonde wig??????  ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Magnolia on September 02, 2010, 04:17:42 PM
Back to Joran's new "girl friend".............................. anyone think it might be Guido in a blonde wig??????  ::MonkeyDevil::


Wreck, you are so smart!   How did you figure that out?   Of course that's who it is. ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: MuffyBee on September 02, 2010, 04:52:30 PM
Back to Joran's new "girl friend".............................. anyone think it might be Guido in a blonde wig??????  ::MonkeyDevil::


Wreck, you are so smart!   How did you figure that out?   Of course that's who it is. ::MonkeyCool::


 ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: wreck on September 02, 2010, 05:26:36 PM
Back to Joran's new "girl friend".............................. anyone think it might be Guido in a blonde wig??????  ::MonkeyDevil::


Wreck, you are so smart!   How did you figure that out?   Of course that's who it is. ::MonkeyCool::

 :smt061 ::bananadance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: MuffyBee on September 02, 2010, 05:28:21 PM
Back to Joran's new "girl friend".............................. anyone think it might be Guido in a blonde wig??????  ::MonkeyDevil::


Wreck, you are so smart!   How did you figure that out?   Of course that's who it is. ::MonkeyCool::

 :smt061 ::bananadance::


(http://bestsmileys.com/lol/1.gif)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: texasmom on September 02, 2010, 05:52:51 PM
Back to Joran's new "girl friend".............................. anyone think it might be Guido in a blonde wig??????  ::MonkeyDevil::


Wreck, you are so smart!   How did you figure that out?   Of course that's who it is. ::MonkeyCool::

 :smt061 ::bananadance::

 ::MonkeyLaugh::




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: MuffyBee on September 02, 2010, 06:13:14 PM
Back to Joran's new "girl friend".............................. anyone think it might be Guido in a blonde wig??????  ::MonkeyDevil::


Wreck, you are so smart!   How did you figure that out?   Of course that's who it is. ::MonkeyCool::

 :smt061 ::bananadance::

 ::MonkeyLaugh::




That just cracks me up  :smt044 :smt044 :smt046 :smt044 :smt044 :smt044


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Buckeye on September 02, 2010, 06:29:42 PM
A bit of a bizarre update:

Remember the defrocked Dutch judge blogging about Natalee?  The picture posted by carin?  Well he has another "chapter" posted.  Very hard to copy but I managed to copy and read it.  Nothing new.

He credits Tom Welles with helping him...he's done so much research...talked to all those involved...etc.  Now I suppose there could be a real life Tom Welles, but I was thinking he was referring to the Nicholas Cage character.  Maybe his "helper" gave him that name????

One of the other posters, also has a Dutch website.  While reading through it, low and behold, a copied post from BFN was posted.  ******** had said he was helping the judge with help from Pita and SS....but not for any monetary gain....also said the picture (from carin) had been forwarded to family and was most probably nothing.

Those of you with BFN connections probably knew this.

Edit- Buckeye, there are some words that are filtered in this forum, and you went around the filter.  Please don't do that.  I've edited out the word.  MuffyBee


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: MuffyBee on September 02, 2010, 07:29:17 PM
Hi Sandy Leiva  ::HelloKitty::  It's good to "see" you.

Self-edit typo.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Ono on September 02, 2010, 07:47:03 PM
Perhaps it's Jan Brennan :cool:

LOL!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: klaasend on September 02, 2010, 07:47:25 PM
http://www.raadsheer-wedzinga.nl/wordpress/

This "judge" is using information and photos originally compiled at Scared Monkeys and is saying it is copyrighted?   ::MonkeyDevil::
Since he says it is copyrighted I want it known I'm only posting for the translation and not for any monetary gain.  I think it's very unusual that it translates so nicely by google, almost as though it was written in English first  ::MonkeyDevil::


(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/NatDutchChapt3a.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/NatDutchChapt3b.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/NatDutchChapt3c.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/NatDutchChapt3d.jpg)

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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Ono on September 02, 2010, 07:49:40 PM
http://www.nationalenquirer.com/joran_vandersloot_prison_romance/celebrity/69255

JORAN'S PRISON ROMANCE
Accused killer JORAN VAN DER SLOOT has begun a jailhouse romance with a mystery woman who’s been allowed to visit him in his cell, The ENQUIRER has learned exclusively.

The slim, 30-something blonde calls on Dutch-born Joran twice a week at the grim Miguel Castro Castro prison in Lima, Peru.

“She’s a white foreigner with short blonde hair who speaks English and Spanish fluently. Guards as well as prisoners refer to her as 'the Dutchman’s gringa,’” revealed a source close to the case.

Joran has called the woman “my girlfriend” in conversations with Hugo Trujillo Ospina aka “The Clown,” the Colombian assassin who shares his cell block. However, it is unlikely that Joran has been able to get very intimate with the woman inside the 2,300-inmate prison because he is never left unguarded.

She began visiting van der Sloot, 23, on June 20 — 17 days after he was arrested for the brutal murder of Stephany Flores, the 21-year-old daughter of a wealthy businessman.

According to prison sources, the unlikely romance blossomed after van der Sloot’s mother began paying the woman $100 a month to take him food, money and clothing, and report on his condition.

During one recent 30-minute visit, guards’ records show that she brought him five cans of tuna and another five cans of beans with bacon, plus bread, jam and water.



Tuna and beans....phew!!     ::MonkeyDevil::

LOL   Can you imagine the aroma of flatulence? lol

  ::MonkeyEek:: OMG! I'm trying to get that out of my head...........  eewwwww!!!   ::MonkeyTongue::

Sorry ...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: klaasend on September 02, 2010, 07:53:42 PM
IMO - Tom Welles is a alias for *******


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Magnolia on September 02, 2010, 08:04:16 PM
IMO - Tom Welles is a alias for *******

Damn, Klaas!!!  You are too clever.   I'm impressed. ::MonkeyCool::  ::monkeywine2::

He is such a looser!    ::MonkeyRoll::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: klaasend on September 02, 2010, 08:10:40 PM
Seriously, what is their purpose?  We have a Dutch blog about a murdered Natalee Holloway which occurred in Aruba in 2005 and this guy is going to take all of the information we have compiled and write a book and say his online blog is copyrighted?  GMFB


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: klaasend on September 02, 2010, 08:12:54 PM
Seriously, what is their purpose?  We have a Dutch blog about a murdered Natalee Holloway which occurred in Aruba in 2005 and this guy is going to take all of the information we have compiled and write a book and say his online blog is copyrighted?  GMFB

I'd like to add that especially after over 5 years it's time to be open and not hide what is said behind a language Natalee's family doesn't speak.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: antunym on September 02, 2010, 08:13:16 PM
I can't for the life of me figure out who ******* is lol I been reading here everyday for five years and somehow I'm missing this.... sorry everyone


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: klaasend on September 02, 2010, 08:16:33 PM
I can't for the life of me figure out who ******* is lol I been reading here everyday for five years and somehow I'm missing this.... sorry everyone


Someone that has been following the case since the beginning that used to be a moderator here at SM that has a foul mouth and worse temper that got him banned.  He will say he quit but he was in the process of being banned and his moderator abilities had already been removed which really ticked him off.  He now gets his "strokes" behind the closed doors at BFN and other members read only sites.

His name is filtered out because he claimed someone was talking about him.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: MuffyBee on September 02, 2010, 08:22:42 PM
Seriously, what is their purpose?  We have a Dutch blog about a murdered Natalee Holloway which occurred in Aruba in 2005 and this guy is going to take all of the information we have compiled and write a book and say his online blog is copyrighted?  GMFB

I'd like to add that especially after over 5 years it's time to be open and not hide what is said behind a language Natalee's family doesn't speak.

(http://bestsmileys.com/clapping/3.gif) (http://bestsmileys.com/clapping/3.gif) (http://bestsmileys.com/clapping/3.gif) (http://bestsmileys.com/clapping/3.gif) (http://bestsmileys.com/clapping/3.gif)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Magnolia on September 02, 2010, 08:26:43 PM
I can't for the life of me figure out who ******* is lol I been reading here everyday for five years and somehow I'm missing this.... sorry everyone


Someone that has been following the case since the beginning that used to be a moderator here at SM that has a foul mouth and worse temper that got him banned.  He will say he quit but he was in the process of being banned and his moderator abilities had already been removed which really ticked him off.  He now gets his "strokes" behind the closed doors at BFN and other members read only sites.

His name is filtered out because he claimed someone was talking about him.



I think he should change his name to Obsessed.    ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: antunym on September 02, 2010, 08:27:23 PM
I can't for the life of me figure out who ******* is lol I been reading here everyday for five years and somehow I'm missing this.... sorry everyone


Someone that has been following the case since the beginning that used to be a moderator here at SM that has a foul mouth and worse temper that got him banned.  He will say he quit but he was in the process of being banned and his moderator abilities had already been removed which really ticked him off.  He now gets his "strokes" behind the closed doors at BFN and other members read only sites.

His name is filtered out because he claimed someone was talking about him.


I do remember all of this I'll have to think hard for a bit lol...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: San on September 02, 2010, 08:33:25 PM
I can't for the life of me figure out who ******* is lol I been reading here everyday for five years and somehow I'm missing this.... sorry everyone


******** was a former moderator who got his ass kicked by Anna.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: klaasend on September 02, 2010, 08:33:32 PM
I can't for the life of me figure out who ******* is lol I been reading here everyday for five years and somehow I'm missing this.... sorry everyone


Someone that has been following the case since the beginning that used to be a moderator here at SM that has a foul mouth and worse temper that got him banned.  He will say he quit but he was in the process of being banned and his moderator abilities had already been removed which really ticked him off.  He now gets his "strokes" behind the closed doors at BFN and other members read only sites.

His name is filtered out because he claimed someone was talking about him.


I do remember all of this I'll have to think hard for a bit lol...

Don't think too hard, he's not worth it.  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: klaasend on September 02, 2010, 08:33:49 PM
San  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: antunym on September 02, 2010, 08:37:29 PM
lmao I'll try not to Klaas. @magnolia- people always get mad when they get cut off ha ha


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Magnolia on September 02, 2010, 08:37:50 PM
Just want to say Hi to Debbie in the rafters!  ::HelloKitty::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Magnolia on September 02, 2010, 08:39:46 PM
I can't for the life of me figure out who ******* is lol I been reading here everyday for five years and somehow I'm missing this.... sorry everyone


******** was a former moderator who got his ass kicked by Anna.

 ::MonkeyDevil::  ::MonkeyDevil::  ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: texasmom on September 02, 2010, 08:40:38 PM
I can't for the life of me figure out who ******* is lol I been reading here everyday for five years and somehow I'm missing this.... sorry everyone


******** was a former moderator who got his ass kicked by Anna.

  ::monkeywine2:: ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: sandy leiva on September 02, 2010, 08:41:09 PM
Hi Sandy Leiva  ::HelloKitty::  It's good to "see" you.

Self-edit typo.
   



hi muffy bee  good to see ya also.  im always in the rafters somewhere reading n watching. sl


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: klaasend on September 02, 2010, 08:42:29 PM
Just going through these pics now looking for the usual suspects:

http://www.coolaruba.com/index.php?option=com_wrapper&view=wrapper&Itemid=39

Steve Croes aka DJ Diablo

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/SteveCroes082910.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: San on September 02, 2010, 08:44:52 PM
Just want to say Hi to Debbie in the rafters!  ::HelloKitty::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: MuffyBee on September 02, 2010, 08:50:28 PM
Just want to say Hi to Debbie in the rafters!  ::HelloKitty::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::



Maybe she's here to check on Klaasend's spelling.   ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Magnolia on September 02, 2010, 08:55:02 PM
Just want to say Hi to Debbie in the rafters!  ::HelloKitty::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::



Maybe she's here to check on Klaasend's spelling.   ::MonkeyTongue::


I'm sure that's it, Muffy!   She is so meticulous, ya know, but she has no scruples!

Anybody's dog that will hunt with her!  IMO ::CowboySmiley::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: texasmom on September 02, 2010, 08:56:05 PM
Just want to say Hi to Debbie in the rafters!  ::HelloKitty::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Maybe she's here to check on Klaasend's spelling.   ::MonkeyTongue::
::MonkeyHaHa::

I'm sure she's got her work cut out for her keeping Tom Welle's straight!    ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyDevil:: ::pullinghairout::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Buckeye on September 02, 2010, 08:58:51 PM
Translated and amended:

IUPG always says:

Anyone still interested in the "researcher" of Wedzinga? Drive on down.
The ****** is the man who called on various forums. The man, if I remember correctly was a ban on Fokforum. The man who trolls around Fok full threw all kinds of nonsense articles on Aruba that nothing, absolutely nothing to do with the Natalee Holloway case had to do. And yes, the man who was in Boston to demonstrate in a tourism exhibition, which was also represented Aruba, 'Boycott of Aruba "and" Justice for Natalee.
Well, Wedzinga. Congratulations on your "researcher". If it were not so sad, I was on the floor rolling with laughter.

Source. ***** itself:
I am the One Who Has Been Helping Wicher Wedzinga learn about the case and SS and Pita That Have Already known for the last month: shake: All I do is help this Family and others try and get answers about Their loved ones and I give continiously while others just take. I am not interested in Any 15 minutes of fame

Natalee's Family HAS Already Received the original picture as well as the story told by Carin. Sorry to tell you all but the picture and "Carin" Extremely story is doubtful.

http://www.kovandijkvertelt.nl/2010/08/wicher-wedzinga-en-de-ontknoping-van-het-natalee-mysterie/#comments



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: klaasend on September 02, 2010, 09:07:26 PM
Poor *******.  He's the only one trying to help and nobody cares  ::MonkeyTears::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Buckeye on September 02, 2010, 09:16:17 PM
Poor *******.  He's the only one trying to help and nobody cares  ::MonkeyTears::

But....but....but...he compiled all of our research/info from so many of us.....surely he must be due all the fame/credit.  It's almost as good as that "cut and paste", "original", Jan Brennan book.

I do hope someone clues the judge into the Nicholas Cage pseudonym....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: texasmom on September 02, 2010, 09:20:40 PM
Translated and amended:

IUPG always says:

Anyone still interested in the "researcher" of Wedzinga? Drive on down.
The ****** is the man who called on various forums. The man, if I remember correctly was a ban on Fokforum. The man who trolls around Fok full threw all kinds of nonsense articles on Aruba that nothing, absolutely nothing to do with the Natalee Holloway case had to do. And yes, the man who was in Boston to demonstrate in a tourism exhibition, which was also represented Aruba, 'Boycott of Aruba "and" Justice for Natalee.
Well, Wedzinga. Congratulations on your "researcher". If it were not so sad, I was on the floor rolling with laughter.

Source. ***** itself:
I am the One Who Has Been Helping Wicher Wedzinga learn about the case and SS and Pita That Have Already known for the last month: shake: All I do is help this Family and others try and get answers about Their loved ones and I give continiously while others just take. I am not interested in Any 15 minutes of fame

Natalee's Family HAS Already Received the original picture as well as the story told by Carin. Sorry to tell you all but the picture and "Carin" Extremely story is doubtful.

http://www.kovandijkvertelt.nl/2010/08/wicher-wedzinga-en-de-ontknoping-van-het-natalee-mysterie/#comments



Thanks Buckeye!   ::MonkeyCool::


Well of course he's not interested in "any 15 minutes of fame"...he'll take a lot more than that.  ::MonkeyRoll::

Disgusting, and SHAME ON HIM!   ::MonkeyNoNo::


He should have had Debbie proofread that post!   ::MonkeyTongue::

continiously 

I think the misspellings are as common as the lies when it comes to him.

JMO





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: San on September 02, 2010, 09:29:34 PM
Translated and amended:

IUPG always says:

Anyone still interested in the "researcher" of Wedzinga? Drive on down.
The ****** is the man who called on various forums. The man, if I remember correctly was a ban on Fokforum. The man who trolls around Fok full threw all kinds of nonsense articles on Aruba that nothing, absolutely nothing to do with the Natalee Holloway case had to do. And yes, the man who was in Boston to demonstrate in a tourism exhibition, which was also represented Aruba, 'Boycott of Aruba "and" Justice for Natalee.
Well, Wedzinga. Congratulations on your "researcher". If it were not so sad, I was on the floor rolling with laughter.

Source. ***** itself:
I am the One Who Has Been Helping Wicher Wedzinga learn about the case and SS and Pita That Have Already known for the last month: shake: All I do is help this Family and others try and get answers about Their loved ones and I give continiously while others just take. I am not interested in Any 15 minutes of fame

Natalee's Family HAS Already Received the original picture as well as the story told by Carin. Sorry to tell you all but the picture and "Carin" Extremely story is doubtful.

http://www.kovandijkvertelt.nl/2010/08/wicher-wedzinga-en-de-ontknoping-van-het-natalee-mysterie/#comments



Thanks Buckeye!   ::MonkeyCool::


Well of course he's not interested in "any 15 minutes of fame"...he'll take a lot more than that.  ::MonkeyRoll::

Disgusting, and SHAME ON HIM!   ::MonkeyNoNo::


He should have had Debbie proofread that post!   ::MonkeyTongue::

continiously 

I think the misspellings are as common as the lies when it comes to him.

JMO

I agree.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Anna on September 02, 2010, 09:33:49 PM
I can't for the life of me figure out who ******* is lol I been reading here everyday for five years and somehow I'm missing this.... sorry everyone


******** was a former moderator who got his ass kicked by Anna.


 ::MonkeyHaHa::


San, last thing I was trying to do was kick anybody's ass.  I was shocked at his melt down.  I told Dave holloway in chat at BFN about the one phone conversation I ever had with Hans Mos.  Dave could easily verify anything I said so I sure wasn't about to lie about anything.  Besides, I don't lie in the first place but he went bonkers!

And before it was over, it was my fault he got banned for lying at two other site including Fok.  I never posted there or even read more than a very few times.  But he needed to discredit me over a side issue that he knew I found out about, lol.

I hope the "judge" has checked his facts because I sure wouldn't consider that one reliable.




Klass, it's a matter of record when certain things were posted such as photos, etc.  It's pretty easy to go back and see who posted what and when.  Saying something is copyrighted doesn't effect anything at all.  Silly in fact, IMO.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: klaasend on September 02, 2010, 09:34:22 PM
Just a FWIW.  All of the photos on the blog link with the Natalee Chapter 3 can be found at SM and of course many other places now.  Off the top of my head, two of the photos this guy wants to copyright on his page are ones I originally either added text to or did a compare in photoshop:

http://www.raadsheer-wedzinga.nl/wordpress/

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/AndreSantos2.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/AndrePimpsProperties.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/blackbeltcompare2.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/BlackBeltCompareProperties.jpg)


As another FYI - I have saved EVERYTHING including all emails going back to 2005. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: klaasend on September 02, 2010, 09:37:43 PM
So now, can we get back to being glad that Joran is in prison?  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Anna on September 02, 2010, 09:40:12 PM
Poor *******.  He's the only one trying to help and nobody cares  ::MonkeyTears::

But....but....but...he compiled all of our research/info from so many of us.....surely he must be due all the fame/credit.  It's almost as good as that "cut and paste", "original", Jan Brennan book.

I do hope someone clues the judge into the Nicholas Cage pseudonym....


Yes, it's so sad.  While others just "take"!  Take what??? 

Any time a person has that "agree with me or else" mentality--look out!  They are more about their own theory being right than finding the truth as I am sure we all realize.

But it has been one wild ride with a host of characters along the way.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Anna on September 02, 2010, 09:44:56 PM
Yes, I am so shocked, sickened and saddened by what Joran did to Stephany but it does sort of seal things as far as his being some sort of innocent wrongl accused.


And I want to know who that alleged gf is and what she looks like.  I wonder if Nancy Grace knows about this.

That said, Klaas, I still get steamed when people steal your work.  You are the one who has given and given.  I remember all that translating of the PV statements and all the rest you have done.  Because somebody screams copyright doesn't change a thing legally, either.  The dates things were posted say it all.




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: San on September 02, 2010, 09:52:37 PM
Yes, I am so shocked, sickened and saddened by what Joran did to Stephany but it does sort of seal things as far as his being some sort of innocent wrongl accused.

And I want to know who that alleged gf is and what she looks like.  I wonder if Nancy Grace knows about this.

That said, Klaas, I still get steamed when people steal your work.  You are the one who has given and given.  I remember all that translating of the PV statements and all the rest you have done.  Because somebody screams copyright doesn't change a thing legally, either.  The dates things were posted say it all.


I agree Anna. Klaas has given so much of her time like so many others and never asked for anything in return but Justice for Natalee.

If you have to cry that you have given so much then you aren't in it for the right reasons.  In a certain persons case they have given nothing.  Thank god they are no longer here.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: wreck on September 02, 2010, 09:54:39 PM
So now, can we get back to being glad that Joran is in prison?  ::MonkeyCool::
I tried!!! I think I "outed" Joran's new "girlfriend" in prison earlier!  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: klaasend on September 02, 2010, 09:57:49 PM
So now, can we get back to being glad that Joran is in prison?  ::MonkeyCool::
I tried!!! I think I "outed" Joran's new "girlfriend" in prison earlier!  ::MonkeyCool::

Guido with a blonde wig? 

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/JoranGudoDrag.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: wreck on September 02, 2010, 10:00:25 PM
So now, can we get back to being glad that Joran is in prison?  ::MonkeyCool::
I tried!!! I think I "outed" Joran's new "girlfriend" in prison earlier!  ::MonkeyCool::

Guido with a blonde wig? 

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/JoranGudoDrag.jpg)
THAT'S IT!!!!!!!!    ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: texasmom on September 02, 2010, 10:27:07 PM
http://www.diario.aw/2010/09/nel-a-perde-cabez-despues-di-un-rato-cu-e-tabata-den-tribuna-di-parlamento/

More pics at the link...

(http://www.diario.aw/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/nelcabez1.jpg)

Papiamentu translation:

nel owing to lose cabez after by one rato cu the was in rostrum by parliament

publication: diahuebs, 2 september 2010.

categoria: general

past owing to go back after by one rest good mereci… but,

oranjestad(aan):hopi person can owing to corda con first y during campaña electoral 2009 was seems cu “stress” was have the ex–prome minister, nel oduber, quite influencia. expresionnan cu past owing to haci the time ey was legendario y at the same time amusing. but before one first minister the not was peace. here can corda con past owing to referi at cuerpo policial before one are by padvinder or c u is hungador by domino under pole. pesey self, quite siguidor politico, owing to think c u is at her lugar for her politico by 30 y pico year in politica, manner cu the self is referi at her self, merece one good rest. yesterday, after by some moon by rest, quite owing to wait for one nel oduber envigorisa y cu forza before follow her trabao. but seems cu the “stress” still tine domina. neither one cuarto by hour upstairs rostrum by parliament by aruba, sr. oduber owing to cuminsa bark, insulta y hoist hand at air. quite owing to believe cu her hendenan will siguie, but everybody owing to remain sit keto in they chair. before more cu past owing to try drag atencion y afresh insulta polisnan present, neither person owing to dun’e mucho atencion. polisnan owing to dicidi by cuminsa by bay in direccion by the ex-prome minister before they attain one mihor view because precaucion. nel oduber owing to believe cu seguramente they owing to bay areste or sake for by the edificio. before her astonishment, the polisnan owing to happen bay near by dje y past owing to remain sperando before they laydown hand upstairs dje. quite by esnan present was comenta cu the will is buscando one motibo before arise her hendenan at her please. according informenan, have one problem for her politico by enough year here at caminda. seems cu have quite presion for her thirst her posicion by leader at another person. but nel oduber apparently does not hear cu another maybe leader can will printo by the faction cu betico croes owing to erect.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: texasmom on September 02, 2010, 10:29:49 PM
Yes, I am so shocked, sickened and saddened by what Joran did to Stephany but it does sort of seal things as far as his being some sort of innocent wrongl accused.

And I want to know who that alleged gf is and what she looks like.  I wonder if Nancy Grace knows about this.

That said, Klaas, I still get steamed when people steal your work.  You are the one who has given and given.  I remember all that translating of the PV statements and all the rest you have done.  Because somebody screams copyright doesn't change a thing legally, either.  The dates things were posted say it all.


I agree Anna. Klaas has given so much of her time like so many others and never asked for anything in return but Justice for Natalee.

If you have to cry that you have given so much then you aren't in it for the right reasons.  In a certain persons case they have given nothing.  Thank god they are no longer here.

 ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on September 02, 2010, 11:01:27 PM
Yes, I am so shocked, sickened and saddened by what Joran did to Stephany but it does sort of seal things as far as his being some sort of innocent wrongl accused.

And I want to know who that alleged gf is and what she looks like.  I wonder if Nancy Grace knows about this.

That said, Klaas, I still get steamed when people steal your work.  You are the one who has given and given.  I remember all that translating of the PV statements and all the rest you have done.  Because somebody screams copyright doesn't change a thing legally, either.  The dates things were posted say it all.


I agree Anna. Klaas has given so much of her time like so many others and never asked for anything in return but Justice for Natalee.

If you have to cry that you have given so much then you aren't in it for the right reasons.  In a certain persons case they have given nothing.  Thank god they are no longer here.

 ::MonkeyCool::

::MonkeyCool::  No doubtaboutit!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: klaasend on September 02, 2010, 11:13:10 PM
http://www.diario.aw/2010/09/nel-a-perde-cabez-despues-di-un-rato-cu-e-tabata-den-tribuna-di-parlamento/

More pics at the link...

(http://www.diario.aw/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/nelcabez1.jpg)

Papiamentu translation:

nel owing to lose cabez after by one rato cu the was in rostrum by parliament

publication: diahuebs, 2 september 2010.

categoria: general

past owing to go back after by one rest good mereci… but,

oranjestad(aan):hopi person can owing to corda con first y during campaña electoral 2009 was seems cu “stress” was have the ex–prome minister, nel oduber, quite influencia. expresionnan cu past owing to haci the time ey was legendario y at the same time amusing. but before one first minister the not was peace. here can corda con past owing to referi at cuerpo policial before one are by padvinder or c u is hungador by domino under pole. pesey self, quite siguidor politico, owing to think c u is at her lugar for her politico by 30 y pico year in politica, manner cu the self is referi at her self, merece one good rest. yesterday, after by some moon by rest, quite owing to wait for one nel oduber envigorisa y cu forza before follow her trabao. but seems cu the “stress” still tine domina. neither one cuarto by hour upstairs rostrum by parliament by aruba, sr. oduber owing to cuminsa bark, insulta y hoist hand at air. quite owing to believe cu her hendenan will siguie, but everybody owing to remain sit keto in they chair. before more cu past owing to try drag atencion y afresh insulta polisnan present, neither person owing to dun’e mucho atencion. polisnan owing to dicidi by cuminsa by bay in direccion by the ex-prome minister before they attain one mihor view because precaucion. nel oduber owing to believe cu seguramente they owing to bay areste or sake for by the edificio. before her astonishment, the polisnan owing to happen bay near by dje y past owing to remain sperando before they laydown hand upstairs dje. quite by esnan present was comenta cu the will is buscando one motibo before arise her hendenan at her please. according informenan, have one problem for her politico by enough year here at caminda. seems cu have quite presion for her thirst her posicion by leader at another person. but nel oduber apparently does not hear cu another maybe leader can will printo by the faction cu betico croes owing to erect.

I think this is the same thing in Amigoe English:

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_77480.php

Parliament to vote for Charter for the Kingdom of the Netherlands
1 Sep, 2010, 08:06 (GMT -04:00)

(http://www.amigoe.com/artman/uploads/01-tribune-statuutwijziging_001.gif)

The public gallery of the parliament was crowded with MEP-supporters this morning, and the former premier Nelson Oduber (MEP) was present as well.

ORANJESTAD — The public gallery was crowded this morning with MEP-supporters, amongst whom Nelson Oduber, in a protest against the amendments of the Charter of the Kingdom of the Netherlands on which the parliament will have to vote today. In any case, Premier Mike Eman (AVP) does not expect any delay in the last actions that are still necessary for the dismantlement of the Netherlands Antilles per October 10th. He stated this yesterday during the farewell visit of outgoing Premier Jan Peter Balkenende (CDA).

States-chairman Paul Croes (AVP) immediately tried to end the shouting from the gallery by issuing warnings. Party-chairman Booshi Wever (MEP) had asked for the same ‘tolerance’ that was shown at other discussions in which the audience had exactly supported ‘green’ (government – to no avail. Andin Bikker (PDR) was the first speaker who argued for acceptance of his amendment, which he called an ‘elegant solution’ in order not to obstruct the forming of new countries, but simultaneously solving the problem that his party and the MEP have with article 27 section 3 and section 4. Both parties consider that article as a substantial intervention in the autonomy of Aruba. Bikker says it is great to be good friends with the Netherlands. “However, one cannot expect that those friends come to your house to drink whisky and beer and before you know it, end up in your bedroom with your wife and your wallet.”
As second speaker, parliamentarian Eveline Wever-Croes (MEP) phrased it as follows this morning. “It boils down to Geert Wilders and Hero Brinkman soon determining what is going to happen on Aruba. If we hand in our autonomy now, we will never get it back.”

Majority
The acceptance of the Charter amendments today requires a two-third majority in the States. There’s a very small chance this will occur, as MEP has eight seats in the parliament and PDR indicated it would almost certainly abstain from voting if article 27 is not adjusted. If there is no two-third majority today, then the subject will be discussed in the parliament again on Thursday. With this so-called second reading, the Charter amendments could still be adopted with a ‘normal’ majority. As government party AVP has the majority in the parliament with 12 seats, and already declared to be in favor of the Charter amendments, Aruba will almost certainly therefore adopt these before the end of the week.

It is against this background Premier Eman stated yesterday that he did not expect any delay. Outgoing Premier Jan Peter Balkenende did not wish to comment on the matter. Just like on the neighboring islands, which Balkenende visited the past days, he did not respond yesterday to questions from the press, although they were initially invited for a press conference at the Administrative Office. That invitation appeared to be a mistake, Premier Eman admitted. “He does not want to say anything because he is an outgoing premier and a cabinet formation is now in progress in the Netherlands. Both matters call for prudence in order not to make any statements that could bind a future cabinet.”

In any case, the legal procedure must be finalized by September 15th so that the Antilles can be dismantled on October 10th. After the acceptance by the Aruban parliament, the Lower Chamber still has to discuss the Charter amendments next week, the National Council of Ministers has to meet for a formal approval, and there’s still the Round Table Conference. After his conversation with the Dutch Premier, Eman concluded that in any case ‘all persons involved expect that the political changes will succeed on time’.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Kermit on September 02, 2010, 11:22:18 PM
KNOWING WHAT EVERYONE KNOWS NOW - DRAW YOUR OWN CONCLUSIONS about what
this person and his good buddy Capslockwizard etc. were doing.


(http://img830.imageshack.us/img830/5475/observercapshelpingandk.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Kermit on September 02, 2010, 11:22:51 PM
(http://img547.imageshack.us/img547/1971/observercopyingpoststoc.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Kermit on September 02, 2010, 11:25:26 PM
DAVE HOLLOWAY SPENT THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS TO SEND LIGHT TANKS (I THINK THAT IS WHAT MISS MAGNOLIA CALLS HIM LOL) TO ARUBA BASED ON WHAT THE FRAUDULENT CAPS AND HIS BUDDIES SAID - NATALEE CAN BE FOUND IN THE POND DAVE COME AND GET HER B.S.
think about who supports them - that rafters queen bee who believes any lie from her peeps)


(http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/2449/observerdestinybfn05070.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Kermit on September 02, 2010, 11:27:05 PM
IMO - Tom Welles is a alias for *******

He also uses JIM DILLARD to the Arubans.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Kermit on September 02, 2010, 11:27:25 PM
(http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/3816/observerpostedthisdeepi.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: klaasend on September 02, 2010, 11:35:34 PM
Deepak is smarter than he looks  ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: MuffyBee on September 02, 2010, 11:37:21 PM
Deepak is smarter than he looks  ::MonkeyDevil::


 ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Kermit on September 02, 2010, 11:38:10 PM
OXXXXXXX aka blue balls aka Jim Dillard etc:

Chat & Grumble:
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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Kermit on September 02, 2010, 11:41:43 PM
Deepak is smarter than he looks  ::MonkeyDevil::

YES HE IS - Deepak ought to let Antonio Carlo he's been fooled by Jim Dillard aka XXXXX


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Kermit on September 02, 2010, 11:43:58 PM
(http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/3715/cngmrskubandobserverabo.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: wreck on September 02, 2010, 11:44:19 PM
(http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/3816/observerpostedthisdeepi.jpg)

"...... and stay groovy, dude"    ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::  he really knows the kids' lingo these days!  ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: klaasend on September 02, 2010, 11:44:25 PM
Kermit - you really do need to change your outfit, Miss Piggy would be embarrassed  ::piggy::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Kermit on September 02, 2010, 11:45:34 PM
(http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/7329/cngcasaandobserverjan31.jpg)
 ::MonkeyShovel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Kermit on September 02, 2010, 11:46:17 PM
Kermit - you really do need to change your outfit, Miss Piggy would be embarrassed  ::piggy::

Yeah I didn't know if a new outfit was ready or not.
 ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Kermit on September 02, 2010, 11:48:37 PM
(http://img818.imageshack.us/img818/4348/chatandgrumbleobserver.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Kermit on September 02, 2010, 11:52:08 PM
(http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/986/cngobserveraboutidstlou.jpg)

btw - I have seen/read the sex chats between this adult male and the young girl. That is where he refers to his blue-balls to her


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Magnolia on September 02, 2010, 11:54:44 PM
Kermit - you really do need to change your outfit, Miss Piggy would be embarrassed  ::piggy::

Yeah I didn't know if a new outfit was ready or not.
 ::MonkeyCool::


I like my Kermit plain. ::MonkeyHaHa::

I was waiting for you to show up tonight. ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Kermit on September 02, 2010, 11:58:12 PM
(http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/9324/cngobservergivingperson.jpg)
 ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyShovel:: ::rhino::




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Kermit on September 02, 2010, 11:58:43 PM
Kermit - you really do need to change your outfit, Miss Piggy would be embarrassed  ::piggy::

Yeah I didn't know if a new outfit was ready or not.
 ::MonkeyCool::


ribbit




I like my Kermit plain. ::MonkeyHaHa::

I was waiting for you to show up tonight. ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Buckeye on September 02, 2010, 11:59:27 PM
Notice for our Dutch posters:

The heavily guarded Castro Castro Prison in Lima, the home of the world's most controversial murder suspect Joran van der Sloot.

 RTL Extra on Monday, September 6 brings in its own words revealing a half-hour broadcast with new and startling facts.

 RTL Extra - Joran Van der Sloot, Monday, September 6 at 20:30 pm on RTL 4.
Repetition Wednesday, September 8 22:30 RTL4


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Kermit on September 03, 2010, 12:03:26 AM
(http://img375.imageshack.us/img375/2906/cngssandobserver.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Kermit on September 03, 2010, 12:05:15 AM
Notice for our Dutch posters:

The heavily guarded Castro Castro Prison in Lima, the home of the world's most controversial murder suspect Joran van der Sloot.

 RTL Extra on Monday, September 6 brings in its own words revealing a half-hour broadcast with new and startling facts.

 RTL Extra - Joran Van der Sloot, Monday, September 6 at 20:30 pm on RTL 4.
Repetition Wednesday, September 8 22:30 RTL4


Thanks Buckeye - I can't wait. Judgement day is coming. HEAR THAT KALPOES. DON'T BE TOOLS AND COME TO AMERICA LAND OF THE FREE - SPILL YOUR GUTLESS GUTS.
 ::MonkeyGavel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Magnolia on September 03, 2010, 12:10:17 AM
Notice for our Dutch posters:

The heavily guarded Castro Castro Prison in Lima, the home of the world's most controversial murder suspect Joran van der Sloot.

 RTL Extra on Monday, September 6 brings in its own words revealing a half-hour broadcast with new and startling facts.

 RTL Extra - Joran Van der Sloot, Monday, September 6 at 20:30 pm on RTL 4.
Repetition Wednesday, September 8 22:30 RTL4


Thanks Buckeye - I can't wait. Judgement day is coming. HEAR THAT KALPOES. DON'T BE TOOLS AND COME TO AMERICA LAND OF THE FREE - SPILL YOUR GUTLESS GUTS.
 ::MonkeyGavel::



I can hardly wait for the show on Wednesday too, Buckeye.  Thanks! ::piggy::

Kermit, did you hear that Satish got married?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: texasmom on September 03, 2010, 12:18:56 AM
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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Kermit on September 03, 2010, 12:19:26 AM
Notice for our Dutch posters:

The heavily guarded Castro Castro Prison in Lima, the home of the world's most controversial murder suspect Joran van der Sloot.

 RTL Extra on Monday, September 6 brings in its own words revealing a half-hour broadcast with new and startling facts.

 RTL Extra - Joran Van der Sloot, Monday, September 6 at 20:30 pm on RTL 4.
Repetition Wednesday, September 8 22:30 RTL4


Thanks Buckeye - I can't wait. Judgement day is coming. HEAR THAT KALPOES. DON'T BE TOOLS AND COME TO AMERICA LAND OF THE FREE - SPILL YOUR GUTLESS GUTS.
 ::MonkeyGavel::



I can hardly wait for the show on Wednesday too, Buckeye.  Thanks! ::piggy::

Kermit, did you hear that Satish got married?

Yes I heard Ronchy gave him away.
 ::monkeywine2::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Kermit on September 03, 2010, 12:20:12 AM
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::MonkeyTongue::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Magnolia on September 03, 2010, 12:22:40 AM
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Debbie just can't stay away tonight. ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Magnolia on September 03, 2010, 12:23:33 AM
Notice for our Dutch posters:

The heavily guarded Castro Castro Prison in Lima, the home of the world's most controversial murder suspect Joran van der Sloot.

 RTL Extra on Monday, September 6 brings in its own words revealing a half-hour broadcast with new and startling facts.

 RTL Extra - Joran Van der Sloot, Monday, September 6 at 20:30 pm on RTL 4.
Repetition Wednesday, September 8 22:30 RTL4


Thanks Buckeye - I can't wait. Judgement day is coming. HEAR THAT KALPOES. DON'T BE TOOLS AND COME TO AMERICA LAND OF THE FREE - SPILL YOUR GUTLESS GUTS.
 ::MonkeyGavel::



I can hardly wait for the show on Wednesday too, Buckeye.  Thanks! ::piggy::

Kermit, did you hear that Satish got married?

Yes I heard Ronchy gave him away.
 ::monkeywine2::



It was a lovely wedding. ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: texasmom on September 03, 2010, 12:24:19 AM
Notice for our Dutch posters:

The heavily guarded Castro Castro Prison in Lima, the home of the world's most controversial murder suspect Joran van der Sloot.

 RTL Extra on Monday, September 6 brings in its own words revealing a half-hour broadcast with new and startling facts.

 RTL Extra - Joran Van der Sloot, Monday, September 6 at 20:30 pm on RTL 4.
Repetition Wednesday, September 8 22:30 RTL4


Thanks Buckeye - I can't wait. Judgement day is coming. HEAR THAT KALPOES. DON'T BE TOOLS AND COME TO AMERICA LAND OF THE FREE - SPILL YOUR GUTLESS GUTS.
 ::MonkeyGavel::



I can hardly wait for the show on Wednesday too, Buckeye.  Thanks! ::piggy::

Kermit, did you hear that Satish got married?

Yes I heard Ronchy gave him away.
 ::monkeywine2::


reluctantly!   ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Kermit on September 03, 2010, 12:24:56 AM
stay well monkeys
 ::MonkeyJnBox::

Hi-ho




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Kermit on September 03, 2010, 12:25:32 AM
Notice for our Dutch posters:

The heavily guarded Castro Castro Prison in Lima, the home of the world's most controversial murder suspect Joran van der Sloot.

 RTL Extra on Monday, September 6 brings in its own words revealing a half-hour broadcast with new and startling facts.

 RTL Extra - Joran Van der Sloot, Monday, September 6 at 20:30 pm on RTL 4.
Repetition Wednesday, September 8 22:30 RTL4


Thanks Buckeye - I can't wait. Judgement day is coming. HEAR THAT KALPOES. DON'T BE TOOLS AND COME TO AMERICA LAND OF THE FREE - SPILL YOUR GUTLESS GUTS.
 ::MonkeyGavel::



I can hardly wait for the show on Wednesday too, Buckeye.  Thanks! ::piggy::

Kermit, did you hear that Satish got married?

Yes I heard Ronchy gave him away.
 ::monkeywine2::


reluctantly!   ::MonkeyDevil::
::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::

good one.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: texasmom on September 03, 2010, 12:26:05 AM
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::MonkeyTongue::



You must have been in invisible mode!   ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::FlyingFrog::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Kermit on September 03, 2010, 12:27:12 AM
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Debbie just can't stay away tonight. ::MonkeyShocked::

guess she can't sleep



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: texasmom on September 03, 2010, 12:27:52 AM
stay well monkeys
 ::MonkeyJnBox::

Hi-ho


You too Kermit!    ::CowboySmiley::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Kermit on September 03, 2010, 12:28:00 AM
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::MonkeyTongue::



You must have been in invisible mode!   ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::FlyingFrog::
::MonkeyCool::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Kermit on September 03, 2010, 12:28:34 AM
stay well monkeys
 ::MonkeyJnBox::

Hi-ho


You too Kermit!    ::CowboySmiley::

Thankie Miss Texas.

gotta hop now

ribbit


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: texasmom on September 03, 2010, 12:32:02 AM
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Debbie just can't stay away tonight. ::MonkeyShocked::

guess she can't sleep



I hope she's wishing she could sign in and post something!  ::MonkeyTease:: ::MonkeyWitch1::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Magnolia on September 03, 2010, 12:35:30 AM
You know, you go back and read all of that stuff that Oberver and Lalas and Casa and them posted,
and it makes you wonder what on earth they were thinking.

They were plotting even way back then and I wonder why they would tell such lies.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Magnolia on September 03, 2010, 12:37:21 AM
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Debbie just can't stay away tonight. ::MonkeyShocked::

guess she can't sleep



I hope she's wishing she could sign in and post something!  ::MonkeyTease:: ::MonkeyWitch1::


Or correct some spelling. ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: texasmom on September 03, 2010, 01:33:51 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/hollowayfamilygall-550x400-12.jpg)


(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/machpicchusteph.jpg)

HT San

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/Devastation2momsfromSanSM.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/joran-05jun10-santiago--anp_0.jpg)

He should have NEVER been free to murder again!   ::MonkeyNoNo::

And now he seems to have special privileges in one of the world's worst prisons?

Who's pulling the strings?  Who's paying the bribes? 

He's not getting fat in Castro Castro on tuna and beans alone!   

::MonkeyMad::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Jo-An on September 03, 2010, 08:43:13 AM
Notice for our Dutch posters:

The heavily guarded Castro Castro Prison in Lima, the home of the world's most controversial murder suspect Joran van der Sloot.

 RTL Extra on Monday, September 6 brings in its own words revealing a half-hour broadcast with new and startling facts.

 RTL Extra - Joran Van der Sloot, Monday, September 6 at 20:30 pm on RTL 4.
Repetition Wednesday, September 8 22:30 RTL4


I unfortunately can't watch this on Monday but I will definitely watch the re-run on Wednesday.
I'll post here if it contains anything interesting if anyone else hasn't done so on Monday/Tuesday.  ::piggy::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Jonathan45 on September 03, 2010, 09:12:33 AM
@Tom Welles

To recover your real identity is no problem for a trollhunter.




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on September 03, 2010, 09:57:32 AM
 ::MonkeyBike::  Had trouble getting into photobucket but wanted to share the attached.  Good morning, all.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: DPJ on September 03, 2010, 10:44:39 AM
Just saw an interview with Dutch crime-reporter John van den Heuvel, he and Bert Huisjes have been to Peru recently and have spoken (on camera) with Joran.

There will be articles in the Telegraaf tomorrow and Saturday and the interview will be aired Monday. Furthermore van den Heuvel states that he has investigated what happened in Peru with the Flores case, that he is writing a book about Joran which will be published next month and that he's in contact with the American networks about selling them this interview.

http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/7551046/__Exclusief_gesprek_met_Joran_van_der_Sloot__.html

(http://images2-telegraaf.nl/multimedia/archive/00757/joran_en_john_757845d.jpg)



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: klaasend on September 03, 2010, 10:45:54 AM
Just saw an interview with Dutch crime-reporter John van den Heuvel, he and Bert Huisjes have been to Peru recently and have spoken (on camera) with Joran.

There will be articles in the Telegraaf tomorrow and Saturday and the interview will be aired Monday. Furthermore van den Heuvel states that he has investigated what happened in Peru with the Flores case, that he is writing a book about Joran which will be published next month and that he's in contact with the American networks about selling them this interview.

http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/7551046/__Exclusief_gesprek_met_Joran_van_der_Sloot__.html

(http://images2-telegraaf.nl/multimedia/archive/00757/joran_en_john_757845d.jpg)



Thanks DPJ!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: klaasend on September 03, 2010, 10:46:23 AM
@Tom Welles

To recover your real identity is no problem for a trollhunter.




 ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: DPJ on September 03, 2010, 10:52:44 AM
A still from the video showing van den Heuvel interviewing Joran

(http://img836.imageshack.us/img836/3471/joraninterview.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: DPJ on September 03, 2010, 10:54:35 AM
CORRECTION: the articles in the Telegraaf will be Saturday and Monday.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Blonde on September 03, 2010, 10:59:37 AM
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/Joran/Joran%20Peru/untitled-4.jpg)
 He looks thinner


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: klaasend on September 03, 2010, 11:01:15 AM
I have to admit I'm a bit concerned about the reporters slant on the story but I'll wait and see.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: klaasend on September 03, 2010, 11:04:42 AM
http://www.ad.nl/ad/nl/1000/Nieuws/article/detail/509738/2010/09/03/John-van-den-Heuvel-spreekt-met-Joran.dhtml

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/InterviewJoran090310.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on September 03, 2010, 11:07:19 AM
I have to admit I'm a bit concerned about the reporters slant on the story but I'll wait and see.

I had the same thoughts.....we will all have to wait and see, I guess.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Anna on September 03, 2010, 11:11:08 AM
Well, I dashed in here with my BREAKING NEWS only to find you already know all about it!

Just received this:

A Dutch crime reporter got an interview with Joran. This video will be on RTL4 on Monday.
http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/7551046/__Exclusief_gesprek_met_Joran_van_der_Sloot__.html


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Magnolia on September 03, 2010, 11:17:55 AM
CORRECTION: the articles in the Telegraaf will be Saturday and Monday.


Do you know if they paid Joran the million he was asking for an interview?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Anna on September 03, 2010, 11:33:45 AM
I have a 40 year old son????

 ::MonkeyShocked::   ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::

I'd love to meet him!  How could I not know about this?  Not even my oldest is that old let alone the one being stalked by these posts.

There are some very sick people in the world and Natalee's disappearance has brought out a lot of them for sure.

But I must locate this son that I have never met and do not recall giving birth to.  You'd think I would remember a thing like that for sure but apparently some people know more about my business that I do myself.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: DPJ on September 03, 2010, 11:34:25 AM
CORRECTION: the articles in the Telegraaf will be Saturday and Monday.
Do you know if they paid Joran the million he was asking for an interview?
Not likely on the interview for the Dutch TV alone but with the book van den Heuvel is writing and him selling on this show and interview to the American networks lots of money will be involved and part of it will go to the van der Sloot family without doubt.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Buckeye on September 03, 2010, 11:39:07 AM
Notice for our Dutch posters:

The heavily guarded Castro Castro Prison in Lima, the home of the world's most controversial murder suspect Joran van der Sloot.

 RTL Extra on Monday, September 6 brings in its own words revealing a half-hour broadcast with new and startling facts.

 RTL Extra - Joran Van der Sloot, Monday, September 6 at 20:30 pm on RTL 4.
Repetition Wednesday, September 8 22:30 RTL4


I unfortunately can't watch this on Monday but I will definitely watch the re-run on Wednesday.
I'll post here if it contains anything interesting if anyone else hasn't done so on Monday/Tuesday.  ::piggy::

Thanks JoAn


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Anna on September 03, 2010, 11:42:01 AM
It must be lost on some that SM has OTHER missing persons cases and that the Caylee Anthony case like has far more posters and postings than Natalee now.

SM thrives and grows while the others shrivel up and die on the vine.  And yet they will claim the opposite is true.

Some people are just reality challenged.  And they will twist anything to make themselves and their lame theories be the correct ones about what happened to Natalee.  Any book, movie, video, etc. based on information from these who want to be right rather than find the truth is seriously compromised from  the start.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Buckeye on September 03, 2010, 11:43:18 AM
CORRECTION: the articles in the Telegraaf will be Saturday and Monday.
Do you know if they paid Joran the million he was asking for an interview?
Not likely on the interview for the Dutch TV alone but with the book van den Heuvel is writing and him selling on this show and interview to the American networks lots of money will be involved and part of it will go to the van der Sloot family without doubt.



Unreals??


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Anna on September 03, 2010, 11:44:34 AM
Another book???  These people just want to make money off of this tragedy!!!

And Joran is apparently still able to milk it for all its worth to get his own perks.

Just makes me furious.  I believe he is holding a bag of cartons of cigarettes in that photo.  Looks like several of them.  I hope the other prisoners teach him to share by force, lol. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Magnolia on September 03, 2010, 11:48:08 AM
CORRECTION: the articles in the Telegraaf will be Saturday and Monday.
Do you know if they paid Joran the million he was asking for an interview?
Not likely on the interview for the Dutch TV alone but with the book van den Heuvel is writing and him selling on this show and interview to the American networks lots of money will be involved and part of it will go to the van der Sloot family without doubt.



Unreals??

Could be, Buckeye.

It looks like zip lock baggies full of cash that Joran is holding.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Anna on September 03, 2010, 11:49:47 AM
That middle photo of Stephany is taken at a place called (phonetically only)  Muccho Peccho, a very famous Inca ruin.

I have been there!  It's fascinating.  The things they had so long ago like little troughs for running water and the construction on the side of a mountain, their agriculture, protection from enemies who would never be able to scale the walls, etc.

Just thought I would mention that.  There are all kinds of archeological marvels in Peru and Bolivia like this but this one is probably the most spectacular.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: DPJ on September 03, 2010, 11:51:11 AM
CORRECTION: the articles in the Telegraaf will be Saturday and Monday.
Do you know if they paid Joran the million he was asking for an interview?
Not likely on the interview for the Dutch TV alone but with the book van den Heuvel is writing and him selling on this show and interview to the American networks lots of money will be involved and part of it will go to the van der Sloot family without doubt.

Unreals??
No John van den Heuvel, he announced in that video that he has written a book about Joran and that it will be published this month in the netherlands.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Anna on September 03, 2010, 11:55:34 AM
When someone gets hung up on a certain thought or idea and repeats it and carries on about it forever, you can bet they are up to something long term.  I mean like writing a book and need documentation or are attempting to fabricate proof, etc.  Or sell it to somebody.

Normal people will remain at least a little bit flexible in that regard.

And yes, this Dutch reporter is very sympathetic to the Sloots.  I think he is going to try to play the human rights card for Joran's benefit.   Remember Arleen used to tell us how even suspects had rights under their system as though they don't under ours, lol.  Well, apparently the suspects have more rights and the victims NONE.

That's how Joran was on his big free feet to kill again!  The blood of Stephany Flores is on the hands of that system and Aruba and nothing changes that fact.

I don't want to even hear about Joran and his rights!!!  It's those very rights that killed yet another young woman.

And now they treat Joran like he is some kind of rock star! 

What's wrong with this picture?  Some people never learn.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on September 03, 2010, 11:59:12 AM
That middle photo of Stephany is taken at a place called (phonetically only)  Muccho Peccho, a very famous Inca ruin.

I have been there!  It's fascinating.  The things they had so long ago like little troughs for running water and the construction on the side of a mountain, their agriculture, protection from enemies who would never be able to scale the walls, etc.

Just thought I would mention that.  There are all kinds of archeological marvels in Peru and Bolivia like this but this one is probably the most spectacular.

I have a friend who traveled to hike Machu Pichuu with her brother a few years back & also worked with Peruvians who lived here who helped us with customer service with Spanish speaking callers.  Sadly, I no longer am in contact with them for their input on any of this.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: klaasend on September 03, 2010, 12:03:27 PM
CORRECTION: the articles in the Telegraaf will be Saturday and Monday.
Do you know if they paid Joran the million he was asking for an interview?
Not likely on the interview for the Dutch TV alone but with the book van den Heuvel is writing and him selling on this show and interview to the American networks lots of money will be involved and part of it will go to the van der Sloot family without doubt.



Unreals??

Buckeye - that was my first thought as well which would mean that I'm sure we will be very angry at the broadcast.  Unreals is the equivalent of Renee Guilen (sp).


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Buckeye on September 03, 2010, 12:04:14 PM
CORRECTION: the articles in the Telegraaf will be Saturday and Monday.
Do you know if they paid Joran the million he was asking for an interview?
Not likely on the interview for the Dutch TV alone but with the book van den Heuvel is writing and him selling on this show and interview to the American networks lots of money will be involved and part of it will go to the van der Sloot family without doubt.

Unreals??
No John van den Heuvel, he announced in that video that he has written a book about Joran and that it will be published this month in the netherlands.

Translated:

Joran's murder mysteries

 Author: John Vanden Heuvel and Bert Houses The complete story about the true role of Joran van der Sloot in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway and the killing of Stephany Flores
 This is the complete and previously written story about the murder cases that the world is already five years into his grip.

• Filled with countless previously unpublished material from secret police files.
 • Latest new facts and witness statements.
. • Unique and revealing images.
 • The facts behind the disappearance of Natalie Holloway.
• The secret conspiracy behind the murder of Stephanie Flores.
• The dubious role of the FBI in both cases.
 • Exclusive pictures of Castro Castro prison in Joran.

 NOW ALL THE MOST DISCUSSED BOOK OF 2010!

http://webshop.telegraaf.nl/1/tb-cat-nieuweboeken/pro-1170982

 ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: klaasend on September 03, 2010, 12:05:58 PM
DPJ - in case you didn't know, UNREALS is a poster over at Refugeesunleashed and goes over the top with theories that favor Joran.  I believe he even admitted he was writing a book.  That is why Buckeye and I both think van den Heuvel could be "Unreals".


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: klaasend on September 03, 2010, 12:06:54 PM
CORRECTION: the articles in the Telegraaf will be Saturday and Monday.
Do you know if they paid Joran the million he was asking for an interview?
Not likely on the interview for the Dutch TV alone but with the book van den Heuvel is writing and him selling on this show and interview to the American networks lots of money will be involved and part of it will go to the van der Sloot family without doubt.

Unreals??
No John van den Heuvel, he announced in that video that he has written a book about Joran and that it will be published this month in the netherlands.

Translated:

Joran's murder mysteries

 Author: John Vanden Heuvel and Bert Houses The complete story about the true role of Joran van der Sloot in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway and the killing of Stephany Flores
 This is the complete and previously written story about the murder cases that the world is already five years into his grip.

• Filled with countless previously unpublished material from secret police files.
 • Latest new facts and witness statements.
. • Unique and revealing images.
 • The facts behind the disappearance of Natalie Holloway.
• The secret conspiracy behind the murder of Stephanie Flores.
• The dubious role of the FBI in both cases.
 • Exclusive pictures of Castro Castro prison in Joran.

 NOW ALL THE MOST DISCUSSED BOOK OF 2010!

http://webshop.telegraaf.nl/1/tb-cat-nieuweboeken/pro-1170982

 ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

Yup - just as I thought  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Buckeye on September 03, 2010, 12:07:41 PM
CORRECTION: the articles in the Telegraaf will be Saturday and Monday.
Do you know if they paid Joran the million he was asking for an interview?
Not likely on the interview for the Dutch TV alone but with the book van den Heuvel is writing and him selling on this show and interview to the American networks lots of money will be involved and part of it will go to the van der Sloot family without doubt.





Unreals??

Buckeye - that was my first thought as well which would mean that I'm sure we will be very angry at the broadcast.  Unreals is the equivalent of Renee Guilen (sp).

 :smt045 :smt045 :smt045


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: klaasend on September 03, 2010, 12:10:59 PM
It's really no mystery.  Joran is a monster and anyone who has defended him over the last 5+ years has Stephany's blood on their hands. 


(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/JoranMurderMystery.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Magnolia on September 03, 2010, 12:12:19 PM
I think I figured out in the middle of the night why that bunch at C&G got so upset.

I'm slow and it took it a while to dawn on me.

He was writing the book and Kermit and Jen's information didn't fit into his script.
Some of them just followed along, without knowing, and out of stupidity.

It was important to make Klaas and Kermit the bad guys in order to keep his theory alive.

Is that close??? ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: klaasend on September 03, 2010, 12:16:28 PM
I think I figured out in the middle of the night why that bunch at C&G got so upset.

I'm slow and it took it a while to dawn on me.

He was writing the book and Kermit and Jen's information didn't fit into his script.
Some of them just followed along, without knowing, and out of stupidity.

It was important to make Klaas and Kermit the bad guys in order to keep his theory alive.

Is that close??? ::MonkeyHaHa::

Magnolia - I'm slow sometimes but I don't think any ex-moderators/banned are behind this particular book.  They may have unwittingly helped though.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Buckeye on September 03, 2010, 12:20:18 PM
I think I figured out in the middle of the night why that bunch at C&G got so upset.

I'm slow and it took it a while to dawn on me.

He was writing the book and Kermit and Jen's information didn't fit into his script.
Some of them just followed along, without knowing, and out of stupidity.

It was important to make Klaas and Kermit the bad guys in order to keep his theory alive.

Is that close??? ::MonkeyHaHa::

Magnolia - I'm slow sometimes but I don't think any ex-moderators/banned are behind this particular book.  They may have unwittingly helped though.

Unreals is very well spoken.  Not one of our ex's.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Magnolia on September 03, 2010, 12:22:03 PM
I think I figured out in the middle of the night why that bunch at C&G got so upset.

I'm slow and it took it a while to dawn on me.

He was writing the book and Kermit and Jen's information didn't fit into his script.
Some of them just followed along, without knowing, and out of stupidity.

It was important to make Klaas and Kermit the bad guys in order to keep his theory alive.

Is that close??? ::MonkeyHaHa::

Magnolia - I'm slow sometimes but I don't think any ex-moderators/banned are behind this particular book.  They may have unwittingly helped though.


I don't either.  I think this new one, (Heuves and Huisjes) is a product of Anita's little Army.

I was talking about The Dark Lard and the Judge's book.

Books are popping up all over the place. ::MonkeyHaHa::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Anna on September 03, 2010, 12:25:30 PM
I think I figured out in the middle of the night why that bunch at C&G got so upset.

I'm slow and it took it a while to dawn on me.

He was writing the book and Kermit and Jen's information didn't fit into his script.
Some of them just followed along, without knowing, and out of stupidity.

It was important to make Klaas and Kermit the bad guys in order to keep his theory alive.

Is that close??? ::MonkeyHaHa::


That's sort of what I am trying to say, too, Magnolia.  When people pick and chose their "facts" and ignore everything else and the big picture, they have an agenda!

Anybody or anything that doesn't fit must be attacked!

But I do think Joran killing again and getting caught so redhanded must have really thrown a monkey wrench into a lot of people's big plans to make money and restore the undeserved honor to Aruba and to Joran.

It's so out there and so obvious.  Maybe no one ever told them when you find yourself in a hole, quit digging!  They just keep it up with their sympathy for Joran and lies about Natalee.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Magnolia on September 03, 2010, 12:26:37 PM
I think I figured out in the middle of the night why that bunch at C&G got so upset.

I'm slow and it took it a while to dawn on me.

He was writing the book and Kermit and Jen's information didn't fit into his script.
Some of them just followed along, without knowing, and out of stupidity.

It was important to make Klaas and Kermit the bad guys in order to keep his theory alive.

Is that close??? ::MonkeyHaHa::

Magnolia - I'm slow sometimes but I don't think any ex-moderators/banned are behind this particular book.  They may have unwittingly helped though.

Unreals is very well spoken.  Not one of our ex's.


I agree with you, and Unreals writes well.  I have tried to figure it out.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Buckeye on September 03, 2010, 12:26:49 PM
I think I figured out in the middle of the night why that bunch at C&G got so upset.

I'm slow and it took it a while to dawn on me.

He was writing the book and Kermit and Jen's information didn't fit into his script.
Some of them just followed along, without knowing, and out of stupidity.

It was important to make Klaas and Kermit the bad guys in order to keep his theory alive.

Is that close??? ::MonkeyHaHa::

Magnolia - I'm slow sometimes but I don't think any ex-moderators/banned are behind this particular book.  They may have unwittingly helped though.


I don't either.  I think this new one, (Heuves and Huisjes) is a product of Anita's little Army.

I was talking about The Dark Lard and the Judge's book.

Books are popping up all over the place. ::MonkeyHaHa::



We're going to need translators.  I don't see these books making it in the US.  Well, I don't have to get the one, since we wrote it.   ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Buckeye on September 03, 2010, 12:28:58 PM
I think I figured out in the middle of the night why that bunch at C&G got so upset.

I'm slow and it took it a while to dawn on me.

He was writing the book and Kermit and Jen's information didn't fit into his script.
Some of them just followed along, without knowing, and out of stupidity.

It was important to make Klaas and Kermit the bad guys in order to keep his theory alive.

Is that close??? ::MonkeyHaHa::


That's sort of what I am trying to say, too, Magnolia.  When people pick and chose their "facts" and ignore everything else and the big picture, they have an agenda!

Anybody or anything that doesn't fit must be attacked!

But I do think Joran killing again and getting caught so redhanded must have really thrown a monkey wrench into a lot of people's big plans to make money and restore the undeserved honor to Aruba and to Joran.

It's so out there and so obvious.  Maybe no one ever told them when you find yourself in a hole, quit digging!  They just keep it up with their sympathy for Joran and lies about Natalee.


Anna

Please, get with it.  It's the FBI....all the way back to Jug's long fingers.  Backed by postings at scrux.   ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Anna on September 03, 2010, 12:29:10 PM
Maybe AHATA has held a "Write a Book for Tourism" contest with the prize going to the one whose book sells the most.  Truth not required, only things to enhance and restore tourism.

Aruba killed Stephany along with Joran.  He shouldn't have been free to kill again.  They refused to collect any evidence against him.

Tourist are not safe in a place like that and should not go.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Magnolia on September 03, 2010, 12:31:43 PM
I think I figured out in the middle of the night why that bunch at C&G got so upset.

I'm slow and it took it a while to dawn on me.

He was writing the book and Kermit and Jen's information didn't fit into his script.
Some of them just followed along, without knowing, and out of stupidity.

It was important to make Klaas and Kermit the bad guys in order to keep his theory alive.

Is that close??? ::MonkeyHaHa::

Magnolia - I'm slow sometimes but I don't think any ex-moderators/banned are behind this particular book.  They may have unwittingly helped though.


I don't either.  I think this new one, (Heuves and Huisjes) is a product of Anita's little Army.

I was talking about The Dark Lard and the Judge's book.

Books are popping up all over the place. ::MonkeyHaHa::



We're going to need translators.  I don't see these books making it in the US.  Well, I don't have to get the one, since we wrote it.   ::MonkeyHaHa::


I think Unreals said that his/hers was going to be published in English.

Who was the one who wrote for Wiki?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Buckeye on September 03, 2010, 12:32:41 PM
Maybe AHATA has held a "Write a Book for Tourism" contest with the prize going to the one whose book sells the most.  Truth not required, only things to enhance and restore tourism.

Aruba killed Stephany along with Joran.  He shouldn't have been free to kill again.  They refused to collect any evidence against him.

Tourist are not safe in a place like that and should not go.


I think that idea sprung up at the Task Force of down-staffed, internet disinformationists. Could have been The Caribbean Psychic Task Force.  Not sure.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Magnolia on September 03, 2010, 12:35:24 PM
I think we are talking three different books right now:

The one by H&H with interviews with Joran

The one by Unreals

The one by The Dark Lard and The Judge.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Anna on September 03, 2010, 12:38:30 PM
Buckeye, and I think Dick Cheney is in there somewhere, lol. 

And now this same group has "framed" Joran for sure, lol.  He probably was no where near when Stephany was killed.

Oh, wait. . . .there are those pesky videos!  Especially the one where he comes out of the room and then pretends to be locked out!

But two new books both supporting a murderer is not a normal reaction.  This is wht Beth has been facing all along and why I have done everything I can to support her and always will.  It's Beth against national governments and an organized and massive tourist industry.

Aruba is a dirty word now.  No matter how many books they write, nothing will change that.  And all the media covers this as Joran the Dutchman.

So they compound the offense by defending him. 

Joran has become the poster child for a corrupt system that allows the so obviously guilty ge away by power and influence and refusing to collect any evidence against him.

I think these dolts actually expect to be believed and that because they say so in a book, people are going to think that makes it a fact or the truth.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Anna on September 03, 2010, 01:21:39 PM
I think we are talking three different books right now:

The one by H&H with interviews with Joran

The one by Unreals

The one by The Dark Lard and The Judge.


Wow!  That's a lot.  Isn't that sort of thing considered over-saturation and supposed to make the sale of each one low?

I think there is financing behind the scenes as the market for Joran has to be pretty limited espcially considering the news coverage that is free.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Kermit on September 03, 2010, 02:26:26 PM
You know, you go back and read all of that stuff that Oberver and Lalas and Casa and them posted,
and it makes you wonder what on earth they were thinking.

They were plotting even way back then and I wonder why they would tell such lies.




Yes, why would they intentional tell lies?

AND they even stated that  "He [JOHN SILVETTI] LIED to you lala about his
last visit.


YET they continued to vehemently defend him and attack anyone who exposed the truth.





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Magnolia on September 03, 2010, 02:32:44 PM
You know, you go back and read all of that stuff that Oberver and Lalas and Casa and them posted,
and it makes you wonder what on earth they were thinking.

They were plotting even way back then and I wonder why they would tell such lies.




Yes, why would they intentional tell lies?

AND they even stated that  "He [JOHN SILVETTI] LIED to you lala about his
last visit.


YET they continued to vehemently defend him and attack anyone who exposed the truth.






Is it true that The Dark Lard's storyline didn't follow the Persistence finding?
That's all I can think of ::MonkeyHaHa::

Is Pita the Dark Lard's sister?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: texasmom on September 03, 2010, 03:05:18 PM
Don't have time to post much about it right now but this caught my eye!  Looks like Oriana Mansur's "coming out" or whatever they call it... party(ies).  There's another article also today in the online Diario.

http://www.diario.aw/2010/09/un-anochi-di-elegancia-pa-oriana-su-15-ana/

(http://www.diario.aw/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/oriana-mansur6.jpg)

(http://www.diario.aw/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/oriana-mansur3.jpg)

(http://www.diario.aw/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/oriana-mansur2.jpg)

A lot more pics at the link!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: klaasend on September 03, 2010, 03:07:22 PM
http://www.timesoftheinternet.com/147695.html

Joran Van Der Sloot Parties In Prison
LIMA, Peru, Sep. 3 (TOTI) --

In news that is bound to upset the families of his alleged victims, accused killer Joran van der Sloot is being accused of partying in prison, says a new report from Globe.

The tabloid says a photo they obtained that shows Joran partying with fellow prisoners is likely to sicken the family of Natalee Holloway.

“When Natalee's family sees this photo, it will be like a dagger through their hearts,” said Manhattan attorney Susan Moss. “Joran, the smug creep, is clearly saying, 'Look, I beat the system again!'”

Although many think that Joran van der Sloot murdered Natalie Holloway, that's not why he's in prison at the Miguel Castro Castro prison in Lima, Peru. He's there awaiting trial for the murder of 21-year-old Peruvian college student Stephany Flores.

“He's spitting at the memory of those smart, beautiful, young women who lost their lives after meeting him,” said Moss. “With his laughing and sneering, it's like Joran is dancing on their graves.”

Even more disturbing, the picture depicts van der Sloot with several “prison friends,” such as Hugo Trujillo “The Clown” Ospina. Ospina is particularly fond of van der Sloot and calls him 'Psychopath' as a nickname.

Experts interviewed for the article say it is likely that Joran van der Sloot traded gay sex for protection from Ospina.

Another great guy in the picture is William Trickett Smith II, an American who has been charged with the murder of his 21-year-old bride Claudia Gomez.

Smith and van der Sloot are both currently in protective custody awaiting trial at the prison.

The treatment they're getting there offended Moss.

“I thought this jail was the 'worst of the worst' in Lima, not some Club Fed where rich creeps can bribe guards for favors,” she said. “Pay them a few bucks and order pizza and beer. How much extra to get hookers?”



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Magnolia on September 03, 2010, 03:14:40 PM
http://www.timesoftheinternet.com/147695.html

Joran Van Der Sloot Parties In Prison
LIMA, Peru, Sep. 3 (TOTI) --

In news that is bound to upset the families of his alleged victims, accused killer Joran van der Sloot is being accused of partying in prison, says a new report from Globe.

The tabloid says a photo they obtained that shows Joran partying with fellow prisoners is likely to sicken the family of Natalee Holloway.

“When Natalee's family sees this photo, it will be like a dagger through their hearts,” said Manhattan attorney Susan Moss. “Joran, the smug creep, is clearly saying, 'Look, I beat the system again!'”

Although many think that Joran van der Sloot murdered Natalie Holloway, that's not why he's in prison at the Miguel Castro Castro prison in Lima, Peru. He's there awaiting trial for the murder of 21-year-old Peruvian college student Stephany Flores.

“He's spitting at the memory of those smart, beautiful, young women who lost their lives after meeting him,” said Moss. “With his laughing and sneering, it's like Joran is dancing on their graves.”

Even more disturbing, the picture depicts van der Sloot with several “prison friends,” such as Hugo Trujillo “The Clown” Ospina. Ospina is particularly fond of van der Sloot and calls him 'Psychopath' as a nickname.

Experts interviewed for the article say it is likely that Joran van der Sloot traded gay sex for protection from Ospina.

Another great guy in the picture is William Trickett Smith II, an American who has been charged with the murder of his 21-year-old bride Claudia Gomez.

Smith and van der Sloot are both currently in protective custody awaiting trial at the prison.

The treatment they're getting there offended Moss.

“I thought this jail was the 'worst of the worst' in Lima, not some Club Fed where rich creeps can bribe guards for favors,” she said. “Pay them a few bucks and order pizza and beer. How much extra to get hookers?”


$100 bucks a month!  Just ask Anita.  Whatta Mom! ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: klaasend on September 03, 2010, 03:18:36 PM
Sebastian needs to lose weight.  He's been spoiled and babied just like Joran was IMO. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Magnolia on September 03, 2010, 03:25:13 PM
Sebastian needs to lose weight.  He's been spoiled and babied just like Joran was IMO. 



.......but he is Anita's chubby little cupcake!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on September 03, 2010, 03:26:08 PM
Sebastian needs to lose weight.  He's been spoiled and babied just like Joran was IMO. 

I noticed he has a sport shirt on in lieu of a suit.   


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on September 03, 2010, 03:27:29 PM
Sebastian needs to lose weight.  He's been spoiled and babied just like Joran was IMO. 



.......but he is Anita's chubby little cupcake!

 ::MonkeyHaHa::   More like the whole bakery...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Magnolia on September 03, 2010, 03:30:24 PM
Sebastian needs to lose weight.  He's been spoiled and babied just like Joran was IMO. 



.......but he is Anita's chubby little cupcake!

 ::MonkeyHaHa::   More like the whole bakery...

Touche', 2NJ!! ::MonkeyHaHa::

But Roochi looks cute!  Got his hair curled and all. ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on September 03, 2010, 03:33:58 PM
Sebastian needs to lose weight.  He's been spoiled and babied just like Joran was IMO. 



.......but he is Anita's chubby little cupcake!

 ::MonkeyHaHa::   More like the whole bakery...

Touche', 2NJ!! ::MonkeyHaHa::

But Roochi looks cute!  Got his hair curled and all. ::MonkeyTongue::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::   Yes, and a little knee action in the pose.  Very dainty. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Magnolia on September 03, 2010, 03:39:17 PM
Sebastian needs to lose weight.  He's been spoiled and babied just like Joran was IMO. 



.......but he is Anita's chubby little cupcake!

 ::MonkeyHaHa::   More like the whole bakery...

Touche', 2NJ!! ::MonkeyHaHa::

But Roochi looks cute!  Got his hair curled and all. ::MonkeyTongue::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::   Yes, and a little knee action in the pose.  Very dainty. 

I noticed that!   And he has a lovely silk suit.  Maybe Roochi could pass his hand me downs to Sebastian.
They look about the same size.   ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: klaasend on September 03, 2010, 03:44:57 PM
Press Day:

http://www.coolaruba.com/index.php?option=com_wrapper&view=wrapper&Itemid=39

Tito Lacle

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/ArubaPressDay2010Tito.jpg)

Ruben Trappenberg:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/ArubaPressDay2010RubenT.jpg)

Noticeably absent = Julia Renfro - possible reasons are:

1.  They realized she's not a journalist
2.  They realized that she is an embarrassment to Aruba
3.  She's in Peru visiting Joran wearing a short blonde wig
4.  She has had plastic surgery and now looks more like Tito
5.  She is in Florida visiting mama Siddallee


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: klaasend on September 03, 2010, 03:48:52 PM
San scanned the Globe for us - thanks San!

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/JoranGlobe092010a.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/JoranGlobe092010b.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Magnolia on September 03, 2010, 03:50:33 PM
Old Rubberlegs and Tickle Me Tito have aged since 2005.....not to even mention Renfro.

I am surely glad that I have remained the cute young thing I always was. ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: klaasend on September 03, 2010, 04:58:06 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_77560.php

Through translator:



Aruba
Parliament evacuated after bomb threat
September 3, 2010, 13:15 (GMT -04:00)
(http://www.amigoe.com/artman/uploads/03-bommelding-staten_cm_-vo.gif)
A sniffer dog searched the parliament just after a bomb threat was received


ORANGE CITY - In three hours yesterday afternoon, the States evacuated after an anonymous report came on a bomb. This happened during the discussion of the amendment of the Kingdom of Staff and a number of days to provide considerable commotion. There is still no one arrested. The Public Prosecutor (OM) said this morning officially nowhere to find.

The public gallery was packed with mostly since Wednesday sympathizers MEP that the addition of Article 27 paragraphs 3 and 4 as undermining the independence of Aruba to see. Among them is former Prime Minister Nelson Oduber. They let a lot of themselves heard. Similarly, this morning during the debate in the so-called second reading after the first reading the amendments were not adopted. Then the required two-thirds more nature missed. At the second reading is now only a simple majority needed to pass laws. Yesterday it still can not vote due to a bomb threat. Authorities took this message seriously, because of the turmoil of recent days and called on parliamentarians and the public directly to the parliament building to leave. A special police team along with a sniffer dog combed the building and its surroundings, but finally found nothing.

This morning, the debate continued in the States. Once again the public gallery filled with continual loud protesting crowd. These requirements include a referendum among the people. The entire MEP group looked to move here again, but finally remained in parliament. Paul Croes States President (AVP) has been determined that spectators who leave the public gallery may no longer return. This is also available for added security and police work easier. This met again to the dismay of opposition party MEP.

The former leader of MEP Ady Thijsen questioned further in a heated argument why until April (for the vote in the House) all groups still oppose the controversial articles of law and had now been for ASF. Juan David Yrausquin MP (ASF) said that the Netherlands already existing Article 51 actually allows for intervention if Aruba does not comply with international treaties. Article 27 paragraph 3 and 4, are unnecessary and in that sense, therefore, no impairment of autonomy, thus Yrausquin. The ASF group had to have voted for the amendment of PDR referral of the articles and the Advisory Council also was positive. "But they said that the amendment was not possible."


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: wreck on September 03, 2010, 05:10:42 PM
http://www.timesoftheinternet.com/147695.html

Joran Van Der Sloot Parties In Prison
LIMA, Peru, Sep. 3 (TOTI) --

In news that is bound to upset the families of his alleged victims, accused killer Joran van der Sloot is being accused of partying in prison, says a new report from Globe.

The tabloid says a photo they obtained that shows Joran partying with fellow prisoners is likely to sicken the family of Natalee Holloway.

“When Natalee's family sees this photo, it will be like a dagger through their hearts,” said Manhattan attorney Susan Moss. “Joran, the smug creep, is clearly saying, 'Look, I beat the system again!'”

Although many think that Joran van der Sloot murdered Natalie Holloway, that's not why he's in prison at the Miguel Castro Castro prison in Lima, Peru. He's there awaiting trial for the murder of 21-year-old Peruvian college student Stephany Flores.

“He's spitting at the memory of those smart, beautiful, young women who lost their lives after meeting him,” said Moss. “With his laughing and sneering, it's like Joran is dancing on their graves.”

Even more disturbing, the picture depicts van der Sloot with several “prison friends,” such as Hugo Trujillo “The Clown” Ospina. Ospina is particularly fond of van der Sloot and calls him 'Psychopath' as a nickname.

Experts interviewed for the article say it is likely that Joran van der Sloot traded gay sex for protection from Ospina.
Another great guy in the picture is William Trickett Smith II, an American who has been charged with the murder of his 21-year-old bride Claudia Gomez.

Smith and van der Sloot are both currently in protective custody awaiting trial at the prison.

The treatment they're getting there offended Moss.

“I thought this jail was the 'worst of the worst' in Lima, not some Club Fed where rich creeps can bribe guards for favors,” she said. “Pay them a few bucks and order pizza and beer. How much extra to get hookers?”



Didn't see that one coming!  ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyRoll::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: MuffyBee on September 03, 2010, 06:17:50 PM
Sebastian needs to lose weight.  He's been spoiled and babied just like Joran was IMO. 

I can't decide if he looks like Chris Farley or Meatloaf. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Edward on September 03, 2010, 06:25:43 PM
(http://www.diario.aw/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/oriana-mansur6.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Magnolia on September 03, 2010, 06:50:34 PM

http://www.cbs42.com/content/localnews/story/Joran-van-der-Sloot-interviewed-on-Dutch-TV/qXNeNz_dtEC6DbU1XazYsA.cspx


JORAN VAN DER SLOOT INTERVIEW ON DUTCH TV



Birmingham, Al (WIAT)  Joran van der Sloot is still waiting to find out if a three judge panel will throw out his murder confession, but he's been using some of that time to be interviewed by Dutch TV.

According to Radio Netherlands Worldwide, van der Sloot has been interviewed by a Dutch crime reporter, John van den Heuvel, at the infamous high security Miguel Castro Castro prison in the Peruvian capital Lima.

Van der Sloot has confessed to killing 21 year old Peruvian student Stephany Flores but is now waiting word on his appeal to have the confession thrown out claiming it was coerced, he didn't have proper legal representation and he was not given a qualified interpreter.

Flores body was found in van der Sloot's Lima hotel room. In his confession he reportedly told police he killed Flores when she found material relating to Natalee Holloway on his laptop.

Natalee Holloway is the Mountain Brook teen who disappeared on a graduation trip to Aruba. She was last seen with Joran van der Sloot who is still considered the prime suspect in her disappearance. That disappearance was five years to the day that Stephany Flores corpse was discovered in van der Sloot's room.

RNW says Mr van den Heuvel has also interviewed van der Sloot's mother, Anita, who says she will not visit her son if he is convicted.

"Joran speaks" will be broadcast by RTL television on Monday. The television station is not giving any details on the interview.


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Post by: Blonde on September 03, 2010, 06:55:21 PM
Experts interviewed for the article say it is likely that Joran van der Sloot traded gay sex for protection from Ospina.

 OH MY ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: klaasend on September 03, 2010, 08:11:30 PM
Wonder what happened with this?  I don't think that pertains to the case management hearing delayed until Sept 28.

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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Magnolia on September 03, 2010, 08:24:29 PM
Since Satish is married to an Aruban, I think he would only have to apply to the American Embassy
to get a Visa to come and give his deposition.

The judge has ruled that the case can't carry forward in Aruba.

Maybe Janet knows.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: wreck on September 03, 2010, 09:07:57 PM
Wonder what happened with this?  I don't think that pertains to the case management hearing delayed until Sept 28.

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It was my understanding that this WAS the deadline for depositions until the special hearing on Aug. 27th to motion that the case be deemed "complex". On the 27th they made a date of Sep 28th to rule on that motion. I guess they will either grant "complex" status or firmly re-set the deposition deadline.
 ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: klaasend on September 03, 2010, 09:19:46 PM
So another down to the deadline request in an attempt to get out of the depositions.  IMO they are delaying the inevitable. ::MonkeyGavel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: texasmom on September 03, 2010, 09:36:59 PM
Thanks for scanning the Globe article for us San!   ::MonkeyCool::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Magnolia on September 03, 2010, 10:19:22 PM
Video @ link i(n Dutch) w/ van den Heuvel


http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/7551046/__Exclusief_gesprek_met_Joran_van_der_Sloot__.html


The interview was done last week.

Van de Heuvel did the interview with Anita in June. Anita gave him permission to visit Joran (she put him on the visitors' list). He went to Peru in June and had a talk with Joran.  After that he wanted to come back and have an interview on camera. Last week they had the interview, although Joran was having doubts.

He says that Joran makes a few `very remarkable` comments during the interview, but doesnt say what kind of comments.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Magnolia on September 03, 2010, 11:00:59 PM
Last night we had "chata" in the rafters for a long while. ::HelloKitty::

CHATA - Curacao Hospitality & Tourism Association  Caribbean Hotel & Tourism Association (CHTA) Dir.General Alec Sanguinetti presented to @_chata members today: state of the industry+campaign info:Tourism is Key http://mypict.me/bnTy5ÜberTwitter - _chata - @CHTAfeeds CHTA Dir.General presents to @_chata members: state of the industr
mypict.me22 hours ago · View PostCaribbean Hotel & Tourism Association CHTA President Forstmayr Urges Governments To Take Action HOTEL ASSOCIATION PRESIDENT URGES CARIBBEAN GOVERNMENTS TO TAKE ACTION ON SUSTAINABLE FUNDING, RECOGNIZE TOURISM AS NUMBER ONE GENERATOR OF JOBS Remarks Focus on Integration Across Caribbean, Relaxed Taxation, Airlift   MONTEGO BAY, Jamaica (Aug....
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chata used to post in the Shango thread.  Makes me wonder. ::MonkeyTongue::


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Post by: texasmom on September 03, 2010, 11:15:33 PM
Last night we had "chata" in the rafters for a long while. ::HelloKitty::

CHATA - Curacao Hospitality & Tourism Association  Caribbean Hotel & Tourism Association (CHTA) Dir.General Alec Sanguinetti presented to @_chata members today: state of the industry+campaign info:Tourism is Key http://mypict.me/bnTy5ÜberTwitter - _chata - @CHTAfeeds CHTA Dir.General presents to @_chata members: state of the industr
mypict.me22 hours ago · View PostCaribbean Hotel & Tourism Association CHTA President Forstmayr Urges Governments To Take Action HOTEL ASSOCIATION PRESIDENT URGES CARIBBEAN GOVERNMENTS TO TAKE ACTION ON SUSTAINABLE FUNDING, RECOGNIZE TOURISM AS NUMBER ONE GENERATOR OF JOBS Remarks Focus on Integration Across Caribbean, Relaxed Taxation, Airlift   MONTEGO BAY, Jamaica (Aug....
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chata used to post in the Shango thread.  Makes me wonder. ::MonkeyTongue::

Yes, I've found the times that Chata signs in and doesn't post interesting too!   ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: texasmom on September 03, 2010, 11:59:54 PM
http://www.diario.aw/2010/09/un-anochi-di-elegancia-pa-oriana-su-15-ana/

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Van%20der%20Sloot/09032010_Diario_oriana-mansur6.jpg)

From the social pages:

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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: texasmom on September 04, 2010, 12:13:50 AM
Good to see you rjdeer!    ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Magnolia on September 04, 2010, 12:39:12 AM
http://www.diario.aw/2010/09/un-anochi-di-elegancia-pa-oriana-su-15-ana/

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Van%20der%20Sloot/09032010_Diario_oriana-mansur6.jpg)

From the social pages:

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Van%20der%20Sloot/Anita_Sebastian_OrianaMansur_Renaissance2010.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Van%20der%20Sloot/Anita_Sebastian2_OrianaMansur_Renaissance2010.jpg)




Is it Dancing With the Sloots?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on September 04, 2010, 12:59:06 AM
Sebastian gets to dance with Mom, Val in college at Emerson, Paulus is passed away and Joran is in prison in Peru. 

Where is Natalee, Sloots???  Deepak....Satish....can you answer that question???   Someone knows the truth.

 ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: texasmom on September 04, 2010, 02:01:06 AM
Sebastian gets to dance with Mom, Val in college at Emerson, Paulus is passed away and Joran is in prison in Peru. 

Where is Natalee, Sloots???  Deepak....Satish....can you answer that question???   Someone knows the truth.

 ::MonkeyMad::

I agree!

Joran's partying in prison...has a lady visitor for 30 minutes at a time ANY TIME she chooses...and now we hear that he's given that interview.  Just how much was he paid for that interview?  Did Anita get a cut for that interview too?  And who's tracking where the money went?  Did some of it fund the happy little gathering of the murderers in their private little wing of Castro Castro?  Did some of it pay one of the guards to take the picture and release it to the press?  Just WHAT ELSE will that money pay for????  Will the Sloots profit from any of the books being written?

I'm sick and tired of that murderer making money off of his crimes, while Natalee's family STILL doesn't have answers!

The Flores family must be very upset about Joran's special treatment too!

What's taking so long with the three judge appeal panel?  I thought they were supposed to have a decision this week!

I'm mad as hell!    ::MonkeyMad:: :smt096 :smt092 :smt091 :smt093 ::MonkeyMad::

SOMEBODY KNOWS, and can give Natalee's family the peace they need.  I hope their life is the ultimate "miserable existence" until they come forward and tell the TRUTH!

JMO


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Jesdamala on September 04, 2010, 02:26:21 AM
Texasmom, you most certainly got it right! 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on September 04, 2010, 06:06:06 AM
I wish the pits of he!! would open and swallow that little piece of chit.  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: DPJ on September 04, 2010, 06:33:31 AM
Big article in the print edition of the Telegraaf newspaper by John vd Heuvel today, I'll try to summarize.

Maximo Altez is a former police officer who served in an anti-terrorist unit and actually got shot in the neck. At first people were blaming him for taking up Joran's defense but now a lot of people approach him to become their lawyer too.

At the moment the case is at a standstill until an official interpreter is found for Joran.

About the case, Altez is focussing on the mistakes that were made in the early days:

- Stephany's body was not placed in a body bag but in a coffin and the body was released after a superficial inspection to the family after a day to be buried. Mr Flores used his influence for that but it is against the official procedures.

- The confession, Joran was not tortured maybe threatened but he was offered an extradition to Aruba if he confessed. Also an official translator was not present and his lawyer was actually a friend of the officer doing the interrogation.

- The psychological report was based only on a 2 hour talk with Joran so he expects no one will take that seriously.

Also Altez wants the role of the hotel owners, Elton Garcia, the police and the FBI investigated. He says that he has received information from inside the police dept that something is fishy with that hotel.

On timing, Altez says that a 35 year sentence for Joran is not realistic. If found guilty a 10 to 15 year sentence would be expected which would effectively set Joran free in 5 years.

Also he expects the actual trial not to start within a year from now and for it to maybe even take 3 years. If it takes more then 3.5 years Joran has the right to wait for his trial in freedom. Altez states that he has 2 more possibilities to file an appeal or protest in Peru and after that he can appeal to the international court in Costa Rica until then the actual trial will not start.

Finally on Peruvian jail, with money it's no problem everything is available women, booze, the lot.

So not too much news I guess but on Monday there will be another article in the Telegraaf about Joran.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: sharon on September 04, 2010, 07:12:27 AM
 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Oh well. He's a dead man walking no matter what games they try to play.

It's just a matter of when -- where -- and by whom.

We can turn it into a board game.

tick.tock.tick.tock


AVOID ARUBA AS IF YOUR LIFE DEPENDS ON IT...IT DOES!!!


Justice for Natalee Holloway & Stephany Flores
Peace for their families and loved ones


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: wreck on September 04, 2010, 08:39:11 AM
::MonkeyNoNo::

Oh well. He's a dead man walking no matter what games they try to play.

It's just a matter of when -- where -- and by whom.

We can turn it into a board game.

tick.tock.tick.tock


AVOID ARUBA AS IF YOUR LIFE DEPENDS ON IT...IT DOES!!!


Justice for Natalee Holloway & Stephany Flores
Peace for their families and loved ones
The article is infuriating -- but, this is still Peru and Joran will lose. That includes his life. I truly expect that the Peruvian authorities will react to the article by stopping the "country club" atmosphere. They will put him in the general population.  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: DPJ on September 04, 2010, 09:12:19 AM
He won't be put in general population, yesterday's article mentioned that next week he'll be put in a special wing of the prison for foreigners apparently with his friend the columbian hit-man Aspina or Ospina.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: wreck on September 04, 2010, 09:15:19 AM
He won't be put in general population, yesterday's article mentioned that next week he'll be put in a special wing of the prison for foreigners apparently with his friend the columbian hit-man Aspina or Ospina.
That may be the plan for now -- but if this article starts getting traction and Peru is embarrassed, they will take action. Stephany's father is too influential in Peru -- I bet things are already afoot for them to clamp down -- JMO


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: DPJ on September 04, 2010, 09:37:36 AM
You might be right however according to the journalist John van de Heuvel the Peruvian justice minister personally OK-ed the interview.

Parts of the interview with Joran will be shown Monday from 7am in a breakfast show and the full interview will be Monday 8.30pm till 10pm.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: wreck on September 04, 2010, 09:39:29 AM
You might be right however according to the journalist John van de Heuvel the Peruvian justice minister personally OK-ed the interview.

Parts of the interview with Joran will be shown Monday from 7am in a breakfast show and the full interview will be Monday 8.30pm till 10pm.
JMO -- I think the Peruvian "Justice Minister" will regret that decision.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: texasmom on September 04, 2010, 10:12:00 AM
http://www.24ora.com/local-mainmenu-5/21588-jan-van-der-straten-ta-importante-pa-tin-coordinacion-entre-fundacionnan-encuanto-adiccion.html

Papiamentu translation:

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jan van der straten: is important before have coordinacion among fundacionnan encuanto adiccion

saturday, 04 september 2010 00:51

in one interview cu jan van der straten owing to puntr’e on the trabaonan cu is tumando lugar the momentonan here before elimina the problem by adictonan on caya. this is one restructuracion on the problem by drugs in we comunidad. jan van der straten in one interview owing to splica cu is important before have coordinacion among the fundacionnan encuanto adiccion. the coordinacion not was present y p'esey because ministerio by salud before hang on to one encuentro cu all the fundacionnan. the hendenan problematico is trahando together cu police etc. before ataca the adictonan problematico first. the adictonan here cu is one molester regal is bay centro dakota at detentie center. is splica all fundacion con the situation is y together they will bay traha… owing to ask jan van der straten if here is deal by one structura full various by thing was have come to anend? past owing to splica cu the plan by gobierno is before privatisa centro dakota y hill colorado. naturally have to hang on to cuenta cu the posicion by cada trahado cu is cay because employee publico. jan van der straten owing to splica cu actualmente have alrededor by 50 before 60 adicto because adicto problematico.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on September 04, 2010, 10:40:30 AM
(http://www.bucuticam.com/album2/Images/246.zoom3.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: texasmom on September 04, 2010, 12:29:22 PM
Press Day:

http://www.coolaruba.com/index.php?option=com_wrapper&view=wrapper&Itemid=39

Tito Lacle

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/ArubaPressDay2010Tito.jpg)

Ruben Trappenberg:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/ArubaPressDay2010RubenT.jpg)

Noticeably absent = Julia Renfro - possible reasons are:

1.  They realized she's not a journalist
2.  They realized that she is an embarrassment to Aruba
3.  She's in Peru visiting Joran wearing a short blonde wig
4.  She has had plastic surgery and now looks more like Tito
5.  She is in Florida visiting mama Siddallee


I didn't see Julia or Dilma in the pictures from the big press party at Milano either, but I know I see Julia and I think I may see Dilma in these pictures from a breakfast party given by Caribbean Speed Printers.  Interesting they didn't show up for the big bash.  Tito seemed to really enjoy himself at that one!   ::MonkeyRoll::

Wonder if there is still an ongoing investigation into the missing money?  Last I read Grace Mary Maduro was on suspension and then I think resigned.

http://www.24ora.com/local-mainmenu-5/21121-investigando-malversacion-na-bon-dia-aruba.html

(http://www.24ora.com/cache/multithumb_images/1...images.stories.news.2010.augustus.aug22.caribbeansp.jpg)

http://www.24ora.com/local-mainmenu-5/21161-bon-dia-aruba-ta-confirma-suspension-di-grace-mary-maduro.html

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_76910.php

Google translation:


ARUBA

Fraud Bon Dia, director of road

August 20, 2010, 13:05 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - After earlier fraud by a worker with his own morning newspaper Bon Dia were observed, was announced this morning that director Mary Grace Maduro steps down. Although she resigned her own, said John Chemaly Jr.. Caribbean Speed Printers for printing - the owner of Bon Dia - Maduro also that 'mandatory holiday has been sent. "We have immediately imposed so that we can continue our investigation." Chemaly indicates that an external agency will conduct this investigation, but would not say which. "All I want to say is that it is a very sensitive and sad issue. This is someone who had a position of trust in this company. "Amigoe from a reliable source that has more than one tonne Florin Bon Dia is missed.


http://www.arubatoday.com/

Aruba Today & Bon Dia Aruba celebrate Press Day
Local News
Thursday, 02 September 2010

PALM BEACH – Yesterday was International Press Day and the Aruban media celebrated in style all over the island.   Caribbean Speed Printers, publishers of Aruba Today and Bon Dia Aruba, invited the staff to an early morning breakfast in the La Vista Restaurant at the Aruba Marriott Resort.  This was a great opportunity for colleagues to congratulate each other and themselves on a great past year of news breaking stories and photographs.

Managing Director John A. Chemaly Jr. gave a brief speech just before the cutting of the “Congratulations Cake”.  He stated how proud he was to have so many staff members attend the breakfast and how together we can only become stronger and grow as a company.”

Both Aruba Today (English) and Bon Dia Aruba (Papiamento) are both leading daily newspapers on the island providing the latest and most informative news on the island for both locals and tourists.   Both publications dedicate several pages in Spanish for the Spanish speaking tourists and x-pats living on the island.

Aruba Today and Bon Dia Aruba will celebrate 20 successful years of business on the island

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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: SuzieQ on September 04, 2010, 12:59:10 PM
I don't know what this site is but they have an article on Joran. Video at site

http://chathousenews.blogspot.com/2010/09/joran-van-der-sloot-is-teaching-english.html


Joran van der Sloot is teaching English
 

http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/7557324/__Joran_geeft_Engelse_les__.html (Translated via Google translate)

Joran is teaching English
by John van den Heuvel and Bert Houses
LIMA - Joran van der Sloot is teaching English to the keepers of the Castro Castro prison in Lima. The Dutchman accused of two murders has now found his niche in the notorious prison in Peru and receives the guards in his cell to teach.


See Video at: http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/7557324/__Joran_geeft_Engelse_les__.html

John van den Heuvel talks Joran

EXCLUSIVE VIDEO John van den Heuvel Lima Joran van der Sloot said. See Video

Telegraph crime reporter John van den Heuvel Castro Castro prison in visiting Joran van der Sloot.Joran is so soon, possibly next week, between the ordinary prisoners placed in a special department for foreign prisoners.
This newspaper was doing research last week in Peru, among other things resulted in an exclusive interview with Van der Sloot in his cell, which appears Monday in The Associated Press.
Although Joran now resides in a high-security wing, for fear of actions by fellow inmates, he says not to fear for his life.
He asked whether he could be placed on the section of a Colombian hit man, with whom he previously shared his cell.
The first images of the large-Joran interview Monday to see the first broadcast of the TV show 'rush hour' of WNL. RTL 4 transmit the entire interview Monday.
In The Telegraph on Saturdaythe first part of the revealing report from Lima.
 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: SuzieQ on September 04, 2010, 01:06:03 PM
You can get to the video from my post but it is in Dutch.  This whole thing has me furious. Who do we write to in Peru?  ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: SuzieQ on September 04, 2010, 01:13:01 PM
(http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff15/sueann37/Natalee/john_758031d.jpg)


Joran and the reporter,what ever his name is.  I just want to go down there and smack that smirk off his face.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Magnolia on September 04, 2010, 01:16:09 PM
Here is a link to a new interview with Claire Furman and Mallie Tucker in Glamour Magazine.

Maybe Klaas or someone can bring the whole article and the picture.

http://www.glamour.com/sex-love-life/2010/09/what-weve-never-told-anyone-about-natalee-holloway?currentPage=4


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: texasmom on September 04, 2010, 01:32:58 PM
Here is a link to a new interview with Claire Furman and Mallie Tucker in Glamour Magazine.

Maybe Klaas or someone can bring the whole article and the picture.

http://www.glamour.com/sex-love-life/2010/09/what-weve-never-told-anyone-about-natalee-holloway?currentPage=4

Thanks Magnolia!   ::MonkeyDance::

http://www.glamour.com/sex-love-life/2010/09/what-weve-never-told-anyone-about-natalee-holloway?currentPage=2&printable=true


“What We’ve Never Told Anyone About Natalee Holloway”

Five years after Natalee Holloway disappeared, two of her closest friends believe they know who’s responsible. But they don’t want you to remember his name; they want you to remember the funny, smart girl they miss so much. A Glamour exclusive.
by Sheila Weller

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/09042010_GlamourMagazineArticle.jpg)

Mallie Tucker, left, and Claire Fierman at the Alabama lake where they spent lazy, happy days with Natalee

A little more than five years ago, on the last night of a high school graduation trip to Aruba, 18-year-old Natalee Holloway met a lawyer’s son, a handsome 17-year-old named Joran van der Sloot, in a popular cantina, walked out into the moonlight with him—and was never seen again. A tiny girl with long blond hair, Natalee was an exuberant personality but also serious and idealistic: About to enter the University of Alabama on a full scholarship, she hoped to become a doctor. Her disappearance left her best friends from Birmingham’s Mountain Brook High confused, angry and bereft.

From the first day she went missing, her classmates lived through the frustrations of an inconclusive police investigation and the indignities of a media firestorm that made Natalee Holloway a household name. They watched as van der Sloot, the main suspect in the crime, was twice detained by police in connection with the investigation—and twice released without ever being charged.

Then, this past May 30—on precisely the fifth anniversary of Natalee’s disappearance—Peruvian business student Stephany Flores, 21, was murdered in a Lima hotel room, and van der Sloot confessed to the killing. He later recanted but remains jailed in Peru, awaiting trial.

The reappearance of van der Sloot brought up haunting memories for two of Natalee’s best friends, Mallie Tucker, 24, and Claire Fierman, 23. They decided to tell their story exclusively to Glamour, a story that none of Natalee’s circle has told before: about who Natalee really was; what they think of van der Sloot; and how the unresolved loss of their best friend traumatized them for years. I met with them in Mountain Brook, Alabama, the Birmingham suburb where they all grew close and where Mallie’s and Claire’s families still live.

CLAIRE: Natalee moved to Mountain Brook in eighth grade, from tiny Clinton, Mississippi—and she kind of just fell into our group. We all had silly nicknames for each other. I was Party, because for some reason I used to instant-message my friends as PartyGirl600.

MALLIE: I was Tucka Mota, because there was a car dealership in town with my same last name called Tucker Motors, and they had a really funny commercial.

CLAIRE: So Natalee said, “Back in Mississippi, everyone called me Hooty Hoo Holloway.” We later found out she had completely made that up just to fit in! But we called her Hooty. “It’s Hoooo-ty,” she’d say, in a high, silly voice on the phone. I saved her last voice mail until a year ago, when it became just too hard to listen to.

So Hooty Hoo Holloway came to Birmingham, and there was no beating around the bush with that girl. If she had an opinion, she would tell you. Once I asked her to get me a soft drink, and she looked at me like I’d asked her to run a mile. Like: Are you kidding? Get it yourself.

MALLIE: Natalee was an original. She was obsessed with The Wizard of Oz. She had more Wizard of Oz stuff in her room than you’d ever seen! She was in love with Lynyrd Skynyrd. And she had a Sheltie named Macy. She loved that dog so much; she would color its hair with highlighters and paint its toenails.

CLAIRE: Natalee was such a good jazz dancer. She was on the school dance team every year. And she was smart. If you had a top grade point average, you didn’t have to take finals senior year. Natalee would call me during finals and say, “Do you want to hang out?” I said, “Hooty, I can’t! Unlike you, I have tests!”

MALLIE: She helped me with AP environmental science. She was obsessed with topography—she loved to study the mountain ranges on maps.

CLAIRE: She was careful, not a rule bender. She turned 16 seven months before I did, and she got a cute little white Volvo. Even though I didn’t have a license, I kept begging her, “Just let me drive it, please?” She finally said, “OK, you can move it one spot over” in the parking lot. She wasn’t someone to take a risk.

MALLIE: Natalee and I worked on weekends at my mom’s organic food store, Harvest Glen. Natalee and her mom [Beth Holloway] were super close. Beth was a speech pathologist and worked with children, and that sensitivity rubbed off. My mom employed autistic adults at Harvest Glen, and Natalee was their favorite coworker. She took them for outings, and she’d work alongside them, shucking corn and shelling peas together.

CLAIRE: She was a kind person, but not overly sweet. She just did good things.

MALLIE: I close my eyes and I see Natalee, shucking corn. It’s so strange—Natalee’s been gone for longer than I’ve known her. That’s really hard for me—I kind of want the years to stop. I hold on to these dumb little images: the blond hair on her arms. And her bubbly, messy handwriting!

CLAIRE: I can still hear her reading The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn out loud, with great animation, while we were sunbathing on the deck at her lake house.

MALLIE: Natalee didn’t have a serious boyfriend. She had a crush on this one boy—you could tell because she was all shy around him. She was particular. I think she was waiting for the perfect boyfriend: a cowboy, a Southern gentleman. She was innocent. We all were. We weren’t nerds, but we weren’t girls who would experiment with makeup all day either.

CLAIRE: We’d go tubing or wakeboarding until our bodies ached, out on Smith Lake. And we didn’t travel much—going to the beach at the Florida Panhandle was about it. So when the graduation trip to Aruba was planned, Natalee was so excited!

MALLIE: We all painted T-shirts that said ARUBA. Of course I was hysterical ‘cause I was the only one who didn’t go!

CLAIRE: Everyone going on the trip got on two planes—about 100 seniors and four teachers as chaperones—leaving for Aruba on Thursday. We’d be coming home Sunday night.

“We don’t know where she is!”
CLAIRE: The Aruba Holiday Inn was nice; the beach was beautiful. Natalee and I went snorkeling together. At night everyone got really dressed up to have dinner at the hotel, and afterward people would go to popular hangouts for young people—one was Carlos’n Charlie’s. It was your average beach bar; everybody mixed together, American kids and Arubans.

Our hotel had a casino that we all went to the last night of the trip. We found out after Natalee disappeared that Joran was a regular gambler there. Then I left, and Natalee went to Carlos’n Charlie’s with some of the others.

I was in the hotel lobby at 1:00 A.M., watching everyone come home. But I didn’t think, Where’s Natalee?

The next morning, most of us, rushing to pack our toothbrushes, didn’t know Natalee hadn’t come home; we were focused on getting to the airport. But Natalee’s roommate and another friend sure did.

MALLIE: Our friends said later that they had told the Aruban police stationed around the hotel, “Our friend didn’t come home!” and the police just calmly took notes on a clipboard, matter-of-factly. We didn’t know it at the time, but somebody had called Beth, and she talked to the authorities. Although we don’t know what they said to her, she had already sensed that something was wrong.

CLAIRE: The news started to get to us in small, disconnected pieces. As I was boarding the plane to leave Aruba, two of our friends ran up and said, “Natalee’s not on the plane! We don’t know where she is!” My reaction was, “Beth is going to be so mad!” I’m thinking, Natalee’s still lying on the beach. I had no panic. But by the time we landed in Atlanta, my dad called me and said, “Bear”—he called me Bear—“things aren’t looking good.” What he meant was, Natalee wasn’t just on the beach; it was more serious. I panicked. Kidnapping, I thought. I cried all the way on the bus from Atlanta to Birmingham.

MALLIE: While Claire was flying home, her dad called me to say Natalee was missing. I rushed to Claire’s house.

“We knew in our gut it was Joran. We just knew.”
While the students were returning to Birmingham, Beth had begun gathering information about her daughter. She talked to one of the boys who’d been on the trip and learned that he’d seen Natalee with van der Sloot on the last night. “He seemed like, y’know, a regular guy,” said the boy. “Like me.” Nonetheless, a worried Beth flew to Aruba. Eight Mountain Brook students gathered at Claire’s house.

CLAIRE: We were all in my living room, girls and boys. It was after midnight. We had left Aruba about 14 hours before. We were worried sick.

MALLIE: Beth was in Aruba. She got the address of Joran’s house, and she was standing outside the gates. She called us and we put her on speakerphone. She said, “Kids, I need more details!” Anyone who had seen Joran in Aruba shouted whatever information they had. We could hear Beth pleading to be let in the house so they could talk face-to-face. Leaning into the speakerphone in Claire’s living room, we were all screaming.

CLAIRE: “Beth! He has to talk to you.”

MALLIE: “Natalee’s in the house!” We actually thought she was being held captive in Joran’s room. I guess it was safer to feel this way than to have any worse scenarios in mind.

CLAIRE: We were enraged Beth wasn’t being let in. We were pacing the room and freaking out. Here is a mother in crisis, and if nobody will let her in the house…well, something is really suspicious! We knew in our gut that Joran was behind her disappearance. By now we knew from talking to other kids who’d been on the trip that Joran was a regular at the casino, and that Natalee had left Carlos’n Charlie’s in the backseat of a car with him. Nobody would let Beth into the house. It just added up. He’d done something bad to her—we didn’t know what, but we knew it was him. [When Glamour contacted van der Sloot’s attorney, Maximo Altez, to ask for a response from his client, Altez declined to comment on the Holloway case.]

CLAIRE: We stayed up all night in my living room.

MALLIE: We felt so helpless!

CLAIRE: We fell asleep at 6 A.M.

MALLIE: We did that three nights in a row, moving from house to house, waiting for news. We never left each other’s side.

CLAIRE: I was scared to shower. I didn’t want to miss anything.

On June 9, van der Sloot and brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe, who had been in the car with him and Natalee, were detained as part of the investigation.

MALLIE: We hung on to hope. We didn’t cry until two weeks had passed. I thought, Two weeks is so long. I said, “She doesn’t even have a hair rubber band or clean underwear!” We wished we were in Aruba, where Beth still was, helping to search for Natalee. To feel useful, we started making these little three-thread yarn bracelets. We called them Hope for Natalee bracelets.

CLAIRE: We made thousands of them—buckets of them! We passed them out to all our friends. We sent them to Beth in Aruba. She passed them out there.

The Kalpoe brothers were released on July 4, but not van der Sloot. Searches for Natalee—both publicly funded ones and those paid for by the Holloways and their friends—continued that summer, but with no results.

MALLIE: We kept up our hope for most of the summer. You have to remember, this happened after Elizabeth Smart was found after being missing for nine months. I went on a trip to Acapulco with my family during this time, and I kept busting through random bathroom doors—public bathrooms, on the street! I thought I was going to find Natalee with her hair all cut off and dyed black or something.

CLAIRE: There were prayer services for Natalee every day at a local church. There were yellow ribbons all over Mountain Brook. The media descended: Nancy Grace. Greta Van Susteren. Scarborough Country. The Abrams Report. So many, I can’t remember. It was so strange—everyone in America seemed to “know” our good friend Natalee! Yet nobody wanted to know who she really was, what kind of person she was.

Van der Sloot was released from custody on September 3 for lack of evidence that a crime had been committed. A few weeks later, he flew to the Netherlands to start college.

MALLIE: He’s free to go to college just when Natalee should be going to college along with us. We were numb.

CLAIRE: Mallie went to the University of Montavallo, in the middle of the state, and I went to the University of Alabama in Tuscaloosa—where Natalee was supposed to go with me. The biggest struggle was guilt. Not guilt as in, What could I have done to save Natalee? But guilt that she wasn’t coming back; guilt for giving up hope.

“We were scared to date.”
MALLIE: College is supposed to be happy, but for us it was just so sad. I would go to Tuscaloosa, where Claire was, every weekend. We’d be with our other friend, who was supposed to have roomed with Natalee. And seeing that empty second bed in that room…

CLAIRE and MALLIE: That was supposed to be Natalee’s bed!

CLAIRE: And there were all these Natalees—girls with long blond hair—everywhere on campus.

MALLIE: This was when we really started to detach ourselves. We stopped talking about Natalee—even to each other. It wasn’t a pact or anything. We were traumatized.

CLAIRE: I guess it wouldn’t come as a surprise that we also weren’t good at dating. When I met a guy, I’d be scared s—tless. I’d be, Why are you talking to me?

MALLIE: Me, too. I didn’t date in college. We never went on single dates. We would always go on group dates—the guy had to be surrounded by people we’d known for a long time.

CLAIRE: Eventually I had boyfriends in college, but I made them jump through hoops until I trusted them.

In November 2007, when the girls were entering their junior year, van der Sloot was taken into custody again—as were the Kalpoe brothers—for “suspicion of involvement in voluntary manslaughter.” But the prosecutors did not present enough evidence to charge them, and all three were released.

CLAIRE: Just to get through college, we went into denial. The more reminders, the worse our denial became. We needed to protect ourselves from our pain. We stopped looking at our own personal pictures of Natalee.

MALLIE: I used wine to hide my feelings from myself. I drank and drank. Numbness was what I was after.

CLAIRE: I had this horrible anxiety. I was afraid of parking my car in the dark. I would fly out of the car and into the house. I developed OCD—I’d make lists all the time of everything I was going to do. If I didn’t have a plan, I would get very nervous.

MALLIE: I wasn’t focusing on my studies. I was drinking too much. By junior year I flunked out of college.

In March 2008 came explosive news: A Dutch journalist had taped van der Sloot saying that he had seen Natalee die on an Aruban beach, although he did not admit to having harmed her. Prosecutors found no evidence to support van der Sloot’s “confession,” which he later withdrew.

CLAIRE: All of Natalee’s friends got together to watch the video on TV. There were 12 of us in our friends’ basement, watching Joran saying “of course” Natalee was dead. Did we believe it? Yes. We were shocked. It was so bizarre: No one said anything. We just turned off the TV, and we stood up to leave and said, “See you tomorrow.”

MALLIE: We never spoke of Natalee anymore. She’d not only disappeared from our lives—she disappeared altogether.

CLAIRE: But, deep inside, we were in pain. I came home from watching the video with my friends, and my mom, who’d also watched it, was sitting on my bed, crying her eyes out. She hugged me, and this—three years in—was the first time I really cried. From then on, I cried every day. I literally woke up and burst into tears every day during college. But, oddly, I didn’t connect it to Natalee.

“I’m sorry, but I have to let you go.”
MALLIE: In June 2008 I was accepted at Safe Harbor, a substance abuse facility in Orange County, California. When I completed the inpatient treatment, I knew I wanted to help others—not just women with alcohol and drug problems, but also women who’d been traumatized, whether they had lost a friend, or had been a victim of domestic violence, rejection or abandonment. I found a college near Safe Harbor and enrolled in a two-year course to become a certified drug and alcohol counselor. The fact that I was able to make it through all of that—it was Natalee’s situation pushing me through.

Today I work at Bradford Health Services in Birmingham, and I tell patients who’ve been traumatized: Gently confront your detachment. If you’ve lost a friend, think of her every single day. Take her picture out…like I have finally done with Natalee’s. That won’t heal the pain—and it’s not the anniversaries that hurt; it’s the random things, like hearing Lynyrd Skynyrd, that hit me—but it makes the pain manageable.

CLAIRE: We stay in touch with Natalee’s mom, Beth. She’s devoting her life to making sure that what happened to Natalee never happens to anyone else. [Beth Holloway, in cooperation with the National Museum of Crime & Punishment, created the Natalee Holloway Resource Center to assist families of missing loved ones. To learn more or to volunteer, go to crimemuseum.org/NHRC.]

But the most important thing Mallie and I did for ourselves was something we did about a year ago.

I was in therapy—still crying, still anxious—and my therapist said, “Why don’t you write Natalee a letter?” So I flew to L.A., where Mallie was. We each wrote Natalee a letter telling her how much we loved and missed her. At the end of mine, I wrote, “I’m sorry, but I have to let you go.” I signed my old nickname: Party.

MALLIE: We took the letters to Huntington Beach at sunset, and we read them aloud. We dug a hole in the sand and put the letters in.

CLAIRE: We lit a bonfire and then we burned the letters.

MALLIE: That was our funeral for Natalee.

CLAIRE: The anxiety and guilt lifted. And we have never told anyone about it—until just now.

MALLIE: When I heard that they’d found and arrested Joran—on May 30, the fifth anniversary of Natalee’s disappearance—I had a strangely familiar feeling. It was the excitement I’d been waiting to feel when I’d hear the words, “They’ve found Natalee, alive.” I couldn’t use it for that, but I could use it for relief: Joran was in jail, and it looks like he will stay there.

CLAIRE: Where do we think Natalee’s body is? We don’t go there.

MALLIE: I know I will see her again some-day. All of life is a big waiting room.

Sheila Weller is a senior contributing editor at Glamour.

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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: texasmom on September 04, 2010, 01:45:40 PM
 :smt022


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: SuzieQ on September 04, 2010, 02:01:21 PM
:smt022

Me too


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Post by: sharon on September 04, 2010, 02:03:01 PM
Thanks tm. Thanks Magnolia.



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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Kermit on September 04, 2010, 02:08:21 PM
Sebastian gets to dance with Mom, Val in college at Emerson, Paulus is passed away and Joran is in prison in Peru. 

Where is Natalee, Sloots???  Deepak....Satish....can you answer that question???   Someone knows the truth.

 ::MonkeyMad::

I agree!

Joran's partying in prison...has a lady visitor for 30 minutes at a time ANY TIME she chooses...and now we hear that he's given that interview.  Just how much was he paid for that interview?  Did Anita get a cut for that interview too?  And who's tracking where the money went?  Did some of it fund the happy little gathering of the murderers in their private little wing of Castro Castro?  Did some of it pay one of the guards to take the picture and release it to the press?  Just WHAT ELSE will that money pay for????  Will the Sloots profit from any of the books being written?

I'm sick and tired of that murderer making money off of his crimes, while Natalee's family STILL doesn't have answers!

The Flores family must be very upset about Joran's special treatment too!

What's taking so long with the three judge appeal panel?  I thought they were supposed to have a decision this week!

I'm mad as hell!    ::MonkeyMad:: :smt096 :smt092 :smt091 :smt093 ::MonkeyMad::

SOMEBODY KNOWS, and can give Natalee's family the peace they need.  I hope their life is the ultimate "miserable existence" until they come forward and tell the TRUTH!

JMO

Will the money go to pay back Beth for the extortion money that Joran did just before he murdered innocent Stephany?

WHO IS HELPING JORAN?


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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: klaasend on September 04, 2010, 02:12:38 PM
http://www.facebook.com/erika.alvaradogalleno

http://www.nlgovlim.com/embajada.htm

I can see her with a blonde wig taking things to Joran once a week.

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/ErikaAlvaradoGalleno.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Kermit on September 04, 2010, 02:15:06 PM
You might be right however according to the journalist John van de Heuvel the Peruvian justice minister personally OK-ed the interview.

Parts of the interview with Joran will be shown Monday from 7am in a breakfast show and the full interview will be Monday 8.30pm till 10pm.
JMO -- I think the Peruvian "Justice Minister" will regret that decision.

I agree with wreck on this.
The backlash after the airing will most-likely be to the determent of that Prime Minister and prison officials. Remember, the U.S. has a claim on Joran for trail in the United States for extortion and then once here can charge him for murder. Once Kalpoes are here in the U.S., they, too, can be charged as assessor's to murder.





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Post by: texasmom on September 04, 2010, 03:03:53 PM
http://www.facebook.com/erika.alvaradogalleno

http://www.nlgovlim.com/embajada.htm

I can see her with a blonde wig taking things to Joran once a week.

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/ErikaAlvaradoGalleno.jpg)

I can see that too Klaas.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

I was looking around and noticed that Roy and Grace Maduro were recently on vacation in Peru, and it looks like they spent some time in Lima.

http://www.facebook.com/

Roy Maduro: Our vacation August 5-14, 2010

Peru

Location
Lima, Cusco, the Sacred Valley Machu Pichu, Raqchi, Puno, Lake Titikaka.,

But then after reading his wall, I kind of doubt they made any efforts to help Joran while they were there.   ::MonkeyWink::

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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: klaasend on September 04, 2010, 03:14:46 PM
Donna Roos seems to agree that PVDS helped Joran dispose of Natalee's body. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: texasmom on September 04, 2010, 03:20:00 PM
Donna Roos seems to agree that PVDS helped Joran dispose of Natalee's body. 

Noticed that, and she believes others were involved too!   ::MonkeyCool::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Magnolia on September 04, 2010, 04:05:26 PM
Donna Roos seems to agree that PVDS helped Joran dispose of Natalee's body. 

Noticed that, and she believes others were involved too!   ::MonkeyCool::




I agree with Donna Roos and good for her for saying it!

But, that Charles Croes just doesn't know when to keep his poetic mouth shut!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Buckeye on September 04, 2010, 04:10:28 PM
DPJ

Thanks for update and taking time to summarize.



I had read the piece from Mallie and Claire.    agree ::MonkeyWaa::

Off to watch ND and Purdue.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Edward on September 04, 2010, 04:18:57 PM
You might be right however according to the journalist John van de Heuvel the Peruvian justice minister personally OK-ed the interview.

Parts of the interview with Joran will be shown Monday from 7am in a breakfast show and the full interview will be Monday 8.30pm till 10pm.
JMO -- I think the Peruvian "Justice Minister" will regret that decision.

It is still South America and it is all about $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: wreck on September 04, 2010, 04:25:59 PM
DPJ

Thanks for update and taking time to summarize.



I had read the piece from Mallie and Claire.    agree ::MonkeyWaa::

Off to watch ND and Purdue.
Yes, the story was sad! I think that is the first that I have heard from Natalee's friends about what she was really like in high school.  ::MonkeyTears::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: wreck on September 04, 2010, 04:27:38 PM
You might be right however according to the journalist John van de Heuvel the Peruvian justice minister personally OK-ed the interview.

Parts of the interview with Joran will be shown Monday from 7am in a breakfast show and the full interview will be Monday 8.30pm till 10pm.
JMO -- I think the Peruvian "Justice Minister" will regret that decision.

It is still South America and it is all about $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

You are right Edward, but it is Stephany's father that has more $$ and clout.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on September 04, 2010, 04:28:42 PM
:smt022

 ::MonkeyWaa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Magnolia on September 04, 2010, 04:41:17 PM



Pronkjewail did this translation of the first part of Joran's interview at RU.
I borrowed it.


This is mostly with Maximum Highness

Today in the paper version of the Telegraaf, there is the first part of the interview with Joran.


This is it:

Advocaat JORAN VAN DER SLOOT treedt voor het eerst naar buiten

Lawyer for JVDS speaks for the first time.

De MAN naast het ’MONSTER’

The man beside the "monster".

• Maximo Altez is vermoedelijk de enige Peruaan die achter Joran van der Sloot staat. „Dit is juist een zaak waar iedere advocaat van droomt. Zoiets komt slechts eenmaal in je leven als strafpleiter langs!”

maximo Altez is probably the only Peruvian that supports JVDS. "This is a case that every lawyer dreams of. This is a once in a life time opportunity."

JORAN VAN der Sloot staat sinds de dood van Stephany Flores in Peru bekend als de ’wrede en moordzuchtige gringo uit Nederland’. Slechts één Peruaan staat achter hem. Ex-politieman Maximo Altez is nu Jorans steun en toeverlaat. Als strafpleiter heeft hij al bijna een even gevreesde reputatie. Voor het eerst spreekt de Peruaanse ’Moszkowicz’ vrijuit over hoe hij Joran denkt te kunnen verdedigen. „Een beetje martelen, ach we deden het bij de politie zo vaak.”

JVDS has been known in Peru as the "cruel and deadly gringo from Holland" ever since the murder of SF. Only one Peruvian supports him. Ex-cop Maximo Altez now is Jorans support. As a lawyer he has a feared reputation. For the first time the Peruvian "Moszkowicz" (=dutch lawyer) speaks about how he thinks he can defend Joran. "A little bit of torture, oh well, as cops we did that all the time".


• Joran van der Sloot is volgens zijn Peruaanse advocaat verslaafd aan gokken. „Maar zo zonder drank is het een redelijk gewone, niet geheel volwassen jongen.”

According to his lawyer, JVDS is addicted to gambling. "But without alcohol he is a reasonable normal, not completely mature boy".


van onze speciale verslaggeversJohn van den Heuvel en Bert Huisjes
LIMA (Peru), zaterdag
Voor het oog is de rechtszaal verscholen achter stoffige muren. Als trofee wordt Joran van der Sloot niet meer getoond. Zijn stappen voerden hem deze week binnen de muren van de beruchte Castro Castro-gevangenis naar een klein zaaltje, waar een rechter hem peinzend aankeek. „Si”, was het enige wat hij hoefde te zeggen. En daarmee had hij ingestemd met het verzoek van de forse Peruaan aan zijn zijde. Raadsman Maximo Altez is namelijk niet alleen een juridisch zwaargewicht.

The courtroom is hidden behind dusty walls. JVDS isnt being showed as a trophee anymore. This week, his steps took him inside the walls of the feared CastroCastro-jail to a small room, where a judge looked at him. "Yes" was all he had to say. While doing that he agreed with the request of the fat Peruvian at his side. Lawyer MA isnt only a legal heavyweight.

Met een knik van de rechter werd het proces opgeschort. Getuigenverhoren van politiecommandant, de aanklager, de tijdelijk tolk – als een bloedhond rukte Maximo Altez aan de ketting in de zittingszaal. Hij ruíkt fouten, zegt hij. „Ik kan ze verslaan, ik voel het in mijn vezels.”

MA smells mistakes, he says." I can beat them, I can feel it."


Hij is vermoedelijk de enige Peruaan die achter Joran van der Sloot staat. „Ik kreeg de zaak toen hij al
een bekentenis had afgelegd. Jammer. Tegen een andere advocaat moest ik zeggen, dat zij helemaal Jorans advocaat niet was en dat zij moest wegwezen.”

He is probably the only Peruvian that supports JVDS. "I got the case when he already made a confession. A shame. I had to tell another lawyer that she wasnt Jorans lawyer and that she had to leave. "

De strafpleiter Maximo Altez geldt als een ijzervreter, die de advocatuur als tweede roeping heeft. Hij knoopt zijn overhemd los en wijst in zijn hals: „Kijk, hier ben ik geraakt door een kogel, toen ik nog bij de politie zat. We wilden terroristen van Lichtend Pad aanhouden en dat mondde uit in een vuurgevecht. Het had maar een haar gescheeld of ze hadden me toen vermoord.”

MA talks about getting hit by a bullet while working as a cop.

Zijn zegelring herinnert nog aan een antiterreureenheid, waar hij lid van was. Hij kent door zijn achtergrond zijn pappenheimers bij de politie, zegt hij. Al jaren is hij nu advocaat, na een verblijf in de VS. Bekentenissen, ze zijn er in soorten en maten, claimt hij. Joran stelde eerder in De Telegraaf dat er tijdens zijn verhoor een bak water naast het bureau stond.

Has worked at an anti-terrorism-squad. Knows very well how the police works. Has been in the USA and has been a lawyer for years already. "Confessions, they exist in all shapes and sizes", he claims. Earlier Joran told the Telegraaf that during his interrogations there was a bucket of water next to the desk.

Altez zegt het met olijk lachje: „Joran is niet gemarteld. Maar dat ze suggereerden dat het kón, sluit ik niet uit. In Peru was het in mijn tijd bij de politie heel gewoon. Dan boeiden we een verdachte achter zijn rug, en trokken hem met een katrol aan de armen omhoog. Of we bonden hem op een plank, en legden hem schuin achterover met het hoofd in een emmer water. Ha, dan willen ze vaak gráág praten.”

MA says with a smile; "Joran hasnt been tortured. But Im not ruling out that they suggested that it was possible. During my time as a cop, it was pretty normal. We cuffed a suspect behind his back and pulled him up by his arms. Or we tied him to a shelf and put him backwards with his head in a bucket of water. Ha, they are more than willing to talk then!"

Het Zuid-Amerikaanse land gaat met zijn tijd mee, wil hij als advocaat ook onderstrepen. „Bij Joran is dat niet gebeurd. De verdachtenhebben hier nu ook rechten, en daar wordt steeds beter op toegezien.Ook Peru zit in de overgang naar een moderne rechtsstaat. Nee, ze hebben het anders gedaan, listiger: als hij bekende, zou hij de volgende ochtend worden uitgeleverd naar Aruba. Dat werd zwart op wit getoond.

"that didnt happen with Joran. Suspects have rights here too these days. No, they did it in a different way; More cunning; if he confessed, they would be deported to Aruba the next morning. They showed him that black on white."

” Wat volgens hem volgde, was de ellenlange bekentenis op 5 juni, waarin Joran van der Sloot toegaf dat hij Stephany Flores op zijn hotelkamer doodde. Dat gebeurde, zoals bekend, niet zachtzinnig. Hij sloeg haar met zijn elleboog in het gezicht, smoorde haar met zijn T-shirt en brak haar nek. Daarop haalde hij koffie, pakte haar geld, passen en autosleutels, en sloeg op de vlucht.

"After that followed his confession on june 5th in which Joran admitted to killing SF in his hotelroom. He hit her with his elbow in the face, choked her with his shirt and broke her neck. After that he got coffee, got her money, backcards and carkeys and ran."

Voor een advocaat een weinig florissante zaak, zo kan iedereen oordelen. „Nee, juist wel! Toen ik alles las over Joran van der Sloot, sprong ik een gat in de lucht. Dit is juist een zaak waar iedere advocaat van droomt. Zoiets komt slechts eenmaal in je leven als strafpleiter langs!”

Hij werd door kennissen benaderd of hij Joran wilde bijstaan. „Ik wist toen niet eens dat hij eerder werd verdacht van de verdwijning van Natalee Holloway. Die verdwijning trok in Peru geen aandacht.Maar in de VS en Nederland was het een enorm groot verhaal, bleek mij al snel. Al snel werd ik door iedereen gebeld. ABC, CNN, Fox, zelfs Larry King belde me op mijn mobiel of hij een reactie kon krijgen. ’Nee,ik doe geen interviews’, zei ik. Heerlijk.”

Acquaintances asked him to be JVDS lawyer. "I didnt even know he was suspected in the NH dissapearance. That dissapearance didnt get any attention in Peru. In the US and Holland it was a big story, I found out soon. Soon everyone was calling me. ABC, CNN, Fox, even Larry King called at my cellphone to ask for a response. "No, I do not do interviews", I said. Lovely!"
Bijna drie maanden is hij nu verder met Joran van der Sloot. In die periode heeft hij intensief contact opgebouwd. In het begin bezocht hij hem vier dagen per week in de Castro Castro-gevangenis. Nu is dat iets minder, maar een paar keer per week. „Hij heeft zijn rol gevonden”, zegt Altez. „Hij is verslaafd aan gokken. Maar zo zonder drank is het een redelijk gewone, niet geheel volwassen jongen. Ik vind hem wel behoorlijk intelligent.”


Gaandeweg heeft hij een steeds beter gevoel over de zaak gekregen, zegt hij. „Of Joran het heeft gedaan, is iets tussen mij en hem. Dat doet er niet toe. Ik wil en ga deze zaak winnen. Het kán.” Altez richt zich nu, met hulp van zijn advocatenteam, vooral op de eerste dagen van het onderzoek, vertelt hij.

"If Joran did it, is between me and him. That doesnt matter. I want to and will win this case. Its possible." MA right now is focussing, with the help of his team, especially on the first days of the investigation, he says."


Berucht

Daar liggen voor zijn beruchte client kansen, zegt hij. „Het leek een adequaat en zeer voortvarend onderzoek, maar ze hebben toch flinke steken laten vallen. Niet alleen had de overlevering vanuit Chili geen wettelijke basis. Ook met het lichaam van Stephany Flores is tegen alle regels omgesprongen”, claimt hij.

He sees possibilities for his client there. "it looked like an adequate and investigation, but they made mistakes. Not only the deportation from Chile had no legal standing, but they also didnt follow the rules while dealing with the body of SF, he claims/"

„In plaats van de voorgeschreven lijkzak, is haar lijk op verzoek van haar vader in een kist gelegd. Kneuzingen op het lichaam kunnen dus ook naderhand zijn gekomen, zeg ik dan. Het lichaam is daarna slechts globaal onderzocht. Al de volgende dag mocht haar vader haar begraven, terwijl bij moord een lichaam pas na een week wordt vrijgegeven aan familie. Haar vader heeft als zakenman zijn invloed daar laten spreken. Dat was ook tegen de regels.”

"Instead of a bodybag, they put her body-at the request of her father- in a coffin. I say its possible that bruising happened after. Her body only had a global search. The next day her dad was allowed to bury her, while in murdercases it takes a week to release the body to the family. Her dad used his influence as a businessman there. That was also against the rules."
De tweede kans, die hij als advocaat ziet, is paradoxaal genoeg de bekentenis van Joran. „Eerst vond ik die natuurlijk vervelend. Maar toen ben ik beter gaan kijken. In het verhoor staat dat de raadsvrouwe Luz Romero Chinchay aanwezig was, als advocate van Joran. Maar Joran had haar niet gemachtigd. Er is geen machtiging. Nu blijkt ze een vriendin te zijn van de politieman die het verhoor leidde. Ook in Peru is dat toch echt een ernstig probleem.”

The second possibillity is the confession of Joran. "Ofcourse I didnt like that at first. But then I took a better look. During the interrogation lawyer Luz Romero Chinchay was there as Jorans lawyer. But Joran didnt approve her as his lawyer. There was no approval. Now it turns out that she is a friend of the policeman that was leading the interrogation. Even in Peru that is a serious problem.

Daarbij werd in de bekentenis gesproken van een officiële tolk van de Nederlandse ambassade, Maurice Stein, die Joran uitlegde wat er werd gezegd. Ook zijn status was minder formeel. Hij is een jonge Nederlandse zakelijke avonturier in Lima, die Nederlandse les geeft aan Peruanen. „Helemaal geen beëdigde tolk.”

Besides that, the confession says that an official interpreter of the Dutch embassy, Maurice Stein was explaining to Joran what was being said. But his status is less formal. He is a young dutch business adventurer in Lima that teaches Dutch to Peruvians. He is not a legal interpreter.

De forse advocaat praat er genietend en handenwrijvend over. „Dat zijn toch echt wezenlijke fouten! Daar leef ik van op.” Het grotere plan dat hij nu heeft, is: „Ik wil dat die verklaring niet meer mag dienen als bewijs. Dat is voor de rechter natuurlijk een moeilijke stap. Maar de totstandkoming was een schending van de rechten.”

The big (as in; fat) lawyer enjoyingly talks about it and rubs his hands. “That are major mistakes. The bigger plan he now has; I want that the confession will be thrown out as evidence. Ofcourse that is a difficult step for a judge. But there were rights violated by getting the confession.



„We willen pas verder als justitie een echte beëdigde tolk Spaans-Nederlands heeft, die voor Joran kan vertalen. Maar afgelopen week hadden ze er nog steeds geen een. De rechter wil nu geen nieuwe verhoren. Ik en Joran evenmin, hij moet gewoon voortaan zijn mond houden. Zie je, daar ligt al een mooi winstpunt, ik praat geen onzin.”

We only want to proceed if the justice department has a legal spanish-dutch interpreter that can translate for Joran. But last week they still didn’t have one. The judge doesn’t want any new interrogations right now. Neither do Joran and I. From now on he has to keep his mouth shut. See, that’s already a nice point of debate. I don’t talk rubbish.


Rond het psychologische rapport van de Peruaanse justitie maakte Altez al eveneens een zwaarvoetig vreugdedansje. Hoewel Altez zonder twijfel wil aanvoeren dat Joran van der Sloot psychisch in nood was tijdens het voor Stephany noodlottige samenzijn, ziet hij het huidige officiële rapport vooral als een cadeautje.

MA also did a happy-dance because of the psychological report that the Peruvian justice department made. Eventhough MA without a doubt wants to prove that JVDS was in ‘mental distress’ during the together with SF, he mostly sees the current official report as a present.



„Daarin staat: Joran is een psychopaat. Hij is impulsief en kan overgaan tot extreem geweld tegen vrouwen. Ernstige zaken, niet mals dus. Maar het mooie is: het rapport is opgemaakt op basis van een gesprek van twee uur, met de nodige taalproblemen. Ik hoef toch geen advocatengenie te zijn om uit te leggen dat dit geen serieus onderzoek kan zijn! Twee uur praten! Ze hebben gewoon iets in elkaar geflanst en overgeschreven uit de internationale media. Dat punt pakken ze me ook niet af.”

It says; Joran is a psychopath. He is impulsive and is capable of extreme violence towards women. Severe accusations. Butl the report is based on a two hour talk, with a language barrier. I don’t have to be a brilliant lawyer to explain that this cannot be seen as a serious investigation. A two hour talk! They just put something together and re-wrote stuff from the international media.

Als oud-politieman vindt hij het niet lastig om een verdachte van zo’n gruwelijk misdrijf bij te staan, zegt hij. Ook niet als iedereen om hem heen Joran ziet als een monster. „Als politieman joeg ik op criminelen. Maar ik deed dat om de wet te handhaven. Dat is nu niet anders. Ik zorg nog steeds dat de wet op de juiste wijze wordt gevolgd.”



Het inhoudelijke proces tegen Joran van der Sloot is in Peru voorlopig nog niet in zicht. Dat kan zomaar een jaar op zich laten wachten. In het slechtste geval kan het ook wel drie jaar duren, zegt Altez. „Ik kan mijn bezwaren in Peru nog twee keer indienen, en daarna kan ik er ook nog mee naar het internationale hof in Costa Rica. Tot die tijd gaat de zaak niet verder.”

The trial against JVDS wont start soon. Its possible that it will take another year. In the worst case scenario its going to take 3 years, says MA. I have 2 possibillites left to file my complaints in Peru and after that I can go to the International court in Costa Rica. Until then the case is suspended.

Bovendien is er een groot aantal vragen rond de aanhouding van Joran van der Sloot en de FBI-undercoveractie die tegen hem liep op Aruba. „Ik richt me eerst nog op de allereerste stappen in de procedure die zijn fout gegaan”, zegt Altez. „Maar daarna moet ook precies duidelijk worden hoe de Peruaanse politie aan al die informatie kwam.” Zo is er veel onduidelijkheid over de camerabeelden van de deur van Jorans hotelkamer. Het gewone beveiligingssysteem leverde slechte beelden. „Het waren gewoon van die goedkope camera’s. Maar die van de deur waren ineens haarscherp, van geheel andere kwaliteit. Ter plekke zou er onderzoek moeten komen naar deze beelden.”

There are a lot of questions about the arrest of JVDS and the FBI undercoveroperation against him on Aruba. “Im going to focus first on the very first steps in the investigation that went wrong, says MA. But after that it has to become clear how the Peruvian police got all that information. For example there are questions about the videos of the door of Jorans hotelroom. The normal securitycams give bad quality videos. “They were very cheap cameras, but the videos of the door are very clear. They are from a completely different quality. There should be an investigation into this videos.


Dat is nodig, zegt hij. Uit het politieapparaat zegt Altez te hebben vernomen dat de Chinese eigenaren van Hotel Tac, waar Stephany werd gevonden, 40.000 dollar hebben betaald aan functionarissen. „Dat hotel is onder protectie van de Red Dragon, de Chinese maffia”, beweert hij. „Ze wilden geen diepgaand onderzoek in het hotel. Ik weet niet of het waar is, maar oude kennissen bij de politie vertellen me dat. Juist een reden voor onderzoek, lijkt me.”

That is neccesary he says. MA says that he heard from the police that the chinese owners of Hotel Tax, where SF was murdered, have paid 40.000 dollar to officials. "That hotel is under protection of Red Dragon, the chinese maffia, he claims. "They didnt want a thorough investigation in the hotel. Im not sure if that is true, but that is what old friends in the policeforce tell me. A good reason for an investigation, I think.

Ook heeft hij grote vragen over de Albanees, die Joran vroeg om naar Peru te komen. „Hij komt uit Uruguay, is Albanees en heet Elton Garcia. Het is een beetje onwerkelijk. Hij heeft het land mogen verlaten na twee verklaringen. Onderzoek moet eerst maar eens uitwijzen of zijn identiteit echt is, of dat hij een handlanger was van de FBI.”

He also has questions about the Albanian that asked Joran to come to Peru. “He is from Uruguay, is Albanian and his name is Elton Garcia. It’s a bit unreal. He was allowed to leave the country after 2 declarations. Investigation should prove if his identity is real or if he works for/with the FBI.

Even later laat Maximo Altez zijn maaltijd goed smaken. „Het Peruaanse eten is zo goed, je moet uitkijken voor de kilo’s.” Het leven is er om ook van te genieten, zegt hij. „Nadat ik de zaak van Joran had aangenomen, werd ik hier aangevallen. Iedereen vond dat hij geen advocaat verdiende. Mijn ruiten werden ingegooid, mijn vrouw moest tijdelijk naar Miami. Kijk, daar laat ik me niet door afschrikken. Het heeft echter ook goede kanten. Nu word ik door mensen gebeld of ik hen óók wil verdedigen. Omdat ik niet bang ben.”

The Peruvian food is so good, you have to watch out for extra kilos. Life is also there to enjoy, he says. “After I took on Jorans case, I was being attacked here. Everyone thought he didn’t deserve a lawyer. People broke my windows, my wife had to temporary leave for Miami. Look, Im not going to be scared away by that. It has good sides also. Im being called by people if I want to defend them too. Because Im not afraid.

„Wist je dat de leider van het onderzoek, generaal Cesar Guardia, als jochie bij mij op de lagere school zat? We zaten in dezelfde klas. En ziehier, inmiddels staan we tegenover elkaar. Prachtig, echt prachtig, toch? En nu het fout is gegaan, moet híj met de billen bloot, haha.”

Did you know that the leader of the investigation, general Cesar Guardia, as a kid was at the same school as me? We were in the same class. And now, we are on opposite ends. Splendid, really splendid, right? And now it went wrong, he is the one that has to ??Realistisch

Velen in Peru denken dat Joran 35 jaar zal krijgen. Maar Altez en zijn advocatenteam hebben daar toch andere ideeën over. Als het inhoudelijke proces langer op zich zal laten wachten dan 3,5 jaar, mag Joran zelfs naar huis in afwachting van de behandeling. En dat is iets waar de advocaat nu al over mijmert. „Want snel gaat het niet, hè.”

A lot of people in Peru think that Joran will get 35 years. But MA and his team disagree. If the trial will take more than 3.5 years, Joran is even allowed to go home while waiting for the trial. And that is something the lawyer already is musing about. "Because its not going really fast, right?"

„Bij een schuldigverklaring is een straf van tussen de 10 en 15 jaar realistischer”, zegt Altez. „Daar komt dan vervolgens nog de regeling voor strafkorting bij kijken. Joran kan mogelijk met vijf jaar alweer buiten staan. Met voldoende geld is het zolang in de gevangenis ook echt prima uit te houden. Dan is alles te krijgen. Vrouwen, drank, alles. Zonder geld is een ander verhaal. Let op mijn woorden, hij is voorlopig nog niet veroordeeld.”


When he gets convicted, a sentence of 10 to 15 years is more realistic, says MA. Then there is also the possibility of reduction of the sentence. Its possible that Joran is outside in 5 years. With enough money its ok to be in prison. Everything is available then. Women, alcohol, everything. Without money is a different story. Mark my words. He isnt convicted yet.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: texasmom on September 04, 2010, 04:49:03 PM
DPJ

Thanks for update and taking time to summarize.



I had read the piece from Mallie and Claire.    agree ::MonkeyWaa::

Off to watch ND and Purdue.

Yes, thanks DPJ!   ::MonkeyCool::

Meant to say that earlier!  :2doh:


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: texasmom on September 04, 2010, 04:51:19 PM
I don't know what this site is but they have an article on Joran. Video at site

http://chathousenews.blogspot.com/2010/09/joran-van-der-sloot-is-teaching-english.html


Joran van der Sloot is teaching English
 

http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/7557324/__Joran_geeft_Engelse_les__.html (Translated via Google translate)

Joran is teaching English
by John van den Heuvel and Bert Houses
LIMA - Joran van der Sloot is teaching English to the keepers of the Castro Castro prison in Lima. The Dutchman accused of two murders has now found his niche in the notorious prison in Peru and receives the guards in his cell to teach.


See Video at: http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/7557324/__Joran_geeft_Engelse_les__.html

John van den Heuvel talks Joran

EXCLUSIVE VIDEO John van den Heuvel Lima Joran van der Sloot said. See Video

Telegraph crime reporter John van den Heuvel Castro Castro prison in visiting Joran van der Sloot.Joran is so soon, possibly next week, between the ordinary prisoners placed in a special department for foreign prisoners.
This newspaper was doing research last week in Peru, among other things resulted in an exclusive interview with Van der Sloot in his cell, which appears Monday in The Associated Press.
Although Joran now resides in a high-security wing, for fear of actions by fellow inmates, he says not to fear for his life.
He asked whether he could be placed on the section of a Colombian hit man, with whom he previously shared his cell.
The first images of the large-Joran interview Monday to see the first broadcast of the TV show 'rush hour' of WNL. RTL 4 transmit the entire interview Monday.
In The Telegraph on Saturdaythe first part of the revealing report from Lima.
 

I think I'm going to throw up!  Now Joran has taken the role of "TEACHER" for the prison guards.

Will the craziness ever end!   :gaah:


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: texasmom on September 04, 2010, 04:51:53 PM
Thanks Magnolia!   ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: wreck on September 04, 2010, 05:10:33 PM



Pronkjewail did this translation of the first part of Joran's interview at RU.
I borrowed it.


This is mostly with Maximum Highness

Today in the paper version of the Telegraaf, there is the first part of the interview with Joran.


This is it:

Advocaat JORAN VAN DER SLOOT treedt voor het eerst naar buiten

Lawyer for JVDS speaks for the first time.

De MAN naast het ’MONSTER’

The man beside the "monster".

• Maximo Altez is vermoedelijk de enige Peruaan die achter Joran van der Sloot staat. „Dit is juist een zaak waar iedere advocaat van droomt. Zoiets komt slechts eenmaal in je leven als strafpleiter langs!”

maximo Altez is probably the only Peruvian that supports JVDS. "This is a case that every lawyer dreams of. This is a once in a life time opportunity."

JORAN VAN der Sloot staat sinds de dood van Stephany Flores in Peru bekend als de ’wrede en moordzuchtige gringo uit Nederland’. Slechts één Peruaan staat achter hem. Ex-politieman Maximo Altez is nu Jorans steun en toeverlaat. Als strafpleiter heeft hij al bijna een even gevreesde reputatie. Voor het eerst spreekt de Peruaanse ’Moszkowicz’ vrijuit over hoe hij Joran denkt te kunnen verdedigen. „Een beetje martelen, ach we deden het bij de politie zo vaak.”

JVDS has been known in Peru as the "cruel and deadly gringo from Holland" ever since the murder of SF. Only one Peruvian supports him. Ex-cop Maximo Altez now is Jorans support. As a lawyer he has a feared reputation. For the first time the Peruvian "Moszkowicz" (=dutch lawyer) speaks about how he thinks he can defend Joran. "A little bit of torture, oh well, as cops we did that all the time".


• Joran van der Sloot is volgens zijn Peruaanse advocaat verslaafd aan gokken. „Maar zo zonder drank is het een redelijk gewone, niet geheel volwassen jongen.”

According to his lawyer, JVDS is addicted to gambling. "But without alcohol he is a reasonable normal, not completely mature boy".


van onze speciale verslaggeversJohn van den Heuvel en Bert Huisjes
LIMA (Peru), zaterdag
Voor het oog is de rechtszaal verscholen achter stoffige muren. Als trofee wordt Joran van der Sloot niet meer getoond. Zijn stappen voerden hem deze week binnen de muren van de beruchte Castro Castro-gevangenis naar een klein zaaltje, waar een rechter hem peinzend aankeek. „Si”, was het enige wat hij hoefde te zeggen. En daarmee had hij ingestemd met het verzoek van de forse Peruaan aan zijn zijde. Raadsman Maximo Altez is namelijk niet alleen een juridisch zwaargewicht.

The courtroom is hidden behind dusty walls. JVDS isnt being showed as a trophee anymore. This week, his steps took him inside the walls of the feared CastroCastro-jail to a small room, where a judge looked at him. "Yes" was all he had to say. While doing that he agreed with the request of the fat Peruvian at his side. Lawyer MA isnt only a legal heavyweight.

Met een knik van de rechter werd het proces opgeschort. Getuigenverhoren van politiecommandant, de aanklager, de tijdelijk tolk – als een bloedhond rukte Maximo Altez aan de ketting in de zittingszaal. Hij ruíkt fouten, zegt hij. „Ik kan ze verslaan, ik voel het in mijn vezels.”

MA smells mistakes, he says." I can beat them, I can feel it."


Hij is vermoedelijk de enige Peruaan die achter Joran van der Sloot staat. „Ik kreeg de zaak toen hij al
een bekentenis had afgelegd. Jammer. Tegen een andere advocaat moest ik zeggen, dat zij helemaal Jorans advocaat niet was en dat zij moest wegwezen.”

He is probably the only Peruvian that supports JVDS. "I got the case when he already made a confession. A shame. I had to tell another lawyer that she wasnt Jorans lawyer and that she had to leave. "

De strafpleiter Maximo Altez geldt als een ijzervreter, die de advocatuur als tweede roeping heeft. Hij knoopt zijn overhemd los en wijst in zijn hals: „Kijk, hier ben ik geraakt door een kogel, toen ik nog bij de politie zat. We wilden terroristen van Lichtend Pad aanhouden en dat mondde uit in een vuurgevecht. Het had maar een haar gescheeld of ze hadden me toen vermoord.”

MA talks about getting hit by a bullet while working as a cop.

Zijn zegelring herinnert nog aan een antiterreureenheid, waar hij lid van was. Hij kent door zijn achtergrond zijn pappenheimers bij de politie, zegt hij. Al jaren is hij nu advocaat, na een verblijf in de VS. Bekentenissen, ze zijn er in soorten en maten, claimt hij. Joran stelde eerder in De Telegraaf dat er tijdens zijn verhoor een bak water naast het bureau stond.

Has worked at an anti-terrorism-squad. Knows very well how the police works. Has been in the USA and has been a lawyer for years already. "Confessions, they exist in all shapes and sizes", he claims. Earlier Joran told the Telegraaf that during his interrogations there was a bucket of water next to the desk.

Altez zegt het met olijk lachje: „Joran is niet gemarteld. Maar dat ze suggereerden dat het kón, sluit ik niet uit. In Peru was het in mijn tijd bij de politie heel gewoon. Dan boeiden we een verdachte achter zijn rug, en trokken hem met een katrol aan de armen omhoog. Of we bonden hem op een plank, en legden hem schuin achterover met het hoofd in een emmer water. Ha, dan willen ze vaak gráág praten.”

MA says with a smile; "Joran hasnt been tortured. But Im not ruling out that they suggested that it was possible. During my time as a cop, it was pretty normal. We cuffed a suspect behind his back and pulled him up by his arms. Or we tied him to a shelf and put him backwards with his head in a bucket of water. Ha, they are more than willing to talk then!"

Het Zuid-Amerikaanse land gaat met zijn tijd mee, wil hij als advocaat ook onderstrepen. „Bij Joran is dat niet gebeurd. De verdachtenhebben hier nu ook rechten, en daar wordt steeds beter op toegezien.Ook Peru zit in de overgang naar een moderne rechtsstaat. Nee, ze hebben het anders gedaan, listiger: als hij bekende, zou hij de volgende ochtend worden uitgeleverd naar Aruba. Dat werd zwart op wit getoond.

"that didnt happen with Joran. Suspects have rights here too these days. No, they did it in a different way; More cunning; if he confessed, they would be deported to Aruba the next morning. They showed him that black on white."

” Wat volgens hem volgde, was de ellenlange bekentenis op 5 juni, waarin Joran van der Sloot toegaf dat hij Stephany Flores op zijn hotelkamer doodde. Dat gebeurde, zoals bekend, niet zachtzinnig. Hij sloeg haar met zijn elleboog in het gezicht, smoorde haar met zijn T-shirt en brak haar nek. Daarop haalde hij koffie, pakte haar geld, passen en autosleutels, en sloeg op de vlucht.

"After that followed his confession on june 5th in which Joran admitted to killing SF in his hotelroom. He hit her with his elbow in the face, choked her with his shirt and broke her neck. After that he got coffee, got her money, backcards and carkeys and ran."

Voor een advocaat een weinig florissante zaak, zo kan iedereen oordelen. „Nee, juist wel! Toen ik alles las over Joran van der Sloot, sprong ik een gat in de lucht. Dit is juist een zaak waar iedere advocaat van droomt. Zoiets komt slechts eenmaal in je leven als strafpleiter langs!”

Hij werd door kennissen benaderd of hij Joran wilde bijstaan. „Ik wist toen niet eens dat hij eerder werd verdacht van de verdwijning van Natalee Holloway. Die verdwijning trok in Peru geen aandacht.Maar in de VS en Nederland was het een enorm groot verhaal, bleek mij al snel. Al snel werd ik door iedereen gebeld. ABC, CNN, Fox, zelfs Larry King belde me op mijn mobiel of hij een reactie kon krijgen. ’Nee,ik doe geen interviews’, zei ik. Heerlijk.”

Acquaintances asked him to be JVDS lawyer. "I didnt even know he was suspected in the NH dissapearance. That dissapearance didnt get any attention in Peru. In the US and Holland it was a big story, I found out soon. Soon everyone was calling me. ABC, CNN, Fox, even Larry King called at my cellphone to ask for a response. "No, I do not do interviews", I said. Lovely!"
Bijna drie maanden is hij nu verder met Joran van der Sloot. In die periode heeft hij intensief contact opgebouwd. In het begin bezocht hij hem vier dagen per week in de Castro Castro-gevangenis. Nu is dat iets minder, maar een paar keer per week. „Hij heeft zijn rol gevonden”, zegt Altez. „Hij is verslaafd aan gokken. Maar zo zonder drank is het een redelijk gewone, niet geheel volwassen jongen. Ik vind hem wel behoorlijk intelligent.”


Gaandeweg heeft hij een steeds beter gevoel over de zaak gekregen, zegt hij. „Of Joran het heeft gedaan, is iets tussen mij en hem. Dat doet er niet toe. Ik wil en ga deze zaak winnen. Het kán.” Altez richt zich nu, met hulp van zijn advocatenteam, vooral op de eerste dagen van het onderzoek, vertelt hij.

"If Joran did it, is between me and him. That doesnt matter. I want to and will win this case. Its possible." MA right now is focussing, with the help of his team, especially on the first days of the investigation, he says."


Berucht

Daar liggen voor zijn beruchte client kansen, zegt hij. „Het leek een adequaat en zeer voortvarend onderzoek, maar ze hebben toch flinke steken laten vallen. Niet alleen had de overlevering vanuit Chili geen wettelijke basis. Ook met het lichaam van Stephany Flores is tegen alle regels omgesprongen”, claimt hij.

He sees possibilities for his client there. "it looked like an adequate and investigation, but they made mistakes. Not only the deportation from Chile had no legal standing, but they also didnt follow the rules while dealing with the body of SF, he claims/"

„In plaats van de voorgeschreven lijkzak, is haar lijk op verzoek van haar vader in een kist gelegd. Kneuzingen op het lichaam kunnen dus ook naderhand zijn gekomen, zeg ik dan. Het lichaam is daarna slechts globaal onderzocht. Al de volgende dag mocht haar vader haar begraven, terwijl bij moord een lichaam pas na een week wordt vrijgegeven aan familie. Haar vader heeft als zakenman zijn invloed daar laten spreken. Dat was ook tegen de regels.”

"Instead of a bodybag, they put her body-at the request of her father- in a coffin. I say its possible that bruising happened after. Her body only had a global search. The next day her dad was allowed to bury her, while in murdercases it takes a week to release the body to the family. Her dad used his influence as a businessman there. That was also against the rules."
De tweede kans, die hij als advocaat ziet, is paradoxaal genoeg de bekentenis van Joran. „Eerst vond ik die natuurlijk vervelend. Maar toen ben ik beter gaan kijken. In het verhoor staat dat de raadsvrouwe Luz Romero Chinchay aanwezig was, als advocate van Joran. Maar Joran had haar niet gemachtigd. Er is geen machtiging. Nu blijkt ze een vriendin te zijn van de politieman die het verhoor leidde. Ook in Peru is dat toch echt een ernstig probleem.”

The second possibillity is the confession of Joran. "Ofcourse I didnt like that at first. But then I took a better look. During the interrogation lawyer Luz Romero Chinchay was there as Jorans lawyer. But Joran didnt approve her as his lawyer. There was no approval. Now it turns out that she is a friend of the policeman that was leading the interrogation. Even in Peru that is a serious problem.

Daarbij werd in de bekentenis gesproken van een officiële tolk van de Nederlandse ambassade, Maurice Stein, die Joran uitlegde wat er werd gezegd. Ook zijn status was minder formeel. Hij is een jonge Nederlandse zakelijke avonturier in Lima, die Nederlandse les geeft aan Peruanen. „Helemaal geen beëdigde tolk.”

Besides that, the confession says that an official interpreter of the Dutch embassy, Maurice Stein was explaining to Joran what was being said. But his status is less formal. He is a young dutch business adventurer in Lima that teaches Dutch to Peruvians. He is not a legal interpreter.

De forse advocaat praat er genietend en handenwrijvend over. „Dat zijn toch echt wezenlijke fouten! Daar leef ik van op.” Het grotere plan dat hij nu heeft, is: „Ik wil dat die verklaring niet meer mag dienen als bewijs. Dat is voor de rechter natuurlijk een moeilijke stap. Maar de totstandkoming was een schending van de rechten.”

The big (as in; fat) lawyer enjoyingly talks about it and rubs his hands. “That are major mistakes. The bigger plan he now has; I want that the confession will be thrown out as evidence. Ofcourse that is a difficult step for a judge. But there were rights violated by getting the confession.



„We willen pas verder als justitie een echte beëdigde tolk Spaans-Nederlands heeft, die voor Joran kan vertalen. Maar afgelopen week hadden ze er nog steeds geen een. De rechter wil nu geen nieuwe verhoren. Ik en Joran evenmin, hij moet gewoon voortaan zijn mond houden. Zie je, daar ligt al een mooi winstpunt, ik praat geen onzin.”

We only want to proceed if the justice department has a legal spanish-dutch interpreter that can translate for Joran. But last week they still didn’t have one. The judge doesn’t want any new interrogations right now. Neither do Joran and I. From now on he has to keep his mouth shut. See, that’s already a nice point of debate. I don’t talk rubbish.


Rond het psychologische rapport van de Peruaanse justitie maakte Altez al eveneens een zwaarvoetig vreugdedansje. Hoewel Altez zonder twijfel wil aanvoeren dat Joran van der Sloot psychisch in nood was tijdens het voor Stephany noodlottige samenzijn, ziet hij het huidige officiële rapport vooral als een cadeautje.

MA also did a happy-dance because of the psychological report that the Peruvian justice department made. Eventhough MA without a doubt wants to prove that JVDS was in ‘mental distress’ during the together with SF, he mostly sees the current official report as a present.



„Daarin staat: Joran is een psychopaat. Hij is impulsief en kan overgaan tot extreem geweld tegen vrouwen. Ernstige zaken, niet mals dus. Maar het mooie is: het rapport is opgemaakt op basis van een gesprek van twee uur, met de nodige taalproblemen. Ik hoef toch geen advocatengenie te zijn om uit te leggen dat dit geen serieus onderzoek kan zijn! Twee uur praten! Ze hebben gewoon iets in elkaar geflanst en overgeschreven uit de internationale media. Dat punt pakken ze me ook niet af.”

It says; Joran is a psychopath. He is impulsive and is capable of extreme violence towards women. Severe accusations. Butl the report is based on a two hour talk, with a language barrier. I don’t have to be a brilliant lawyer to explain that this cannot be seen as a serious investigation. A two hour talk! They just put something together and re-wrote stuff from the international media.

Als oud-politieman vindt hij het niet lastig om een verdachte van zo’n gruwelijk misdrijf bij te staan, zegt hij. Ook niet als iedereen om hem heen Joran ziet als een monster. „Als politieman joeg ik op criminelen. Maar ik deed dat om de wet te handhaven. Dat is nu niet anders. Ik zorg nog steeds dat de wet op de juiste wijze wordt gevolgd.”



Het inhoudelijke proces tegen Joran van der Sloot is in Peru voorlopig nog niet in zicht. Dat kan zomaar een jaar op zich laten wachten. In het slechtste geval kan het ook wel drie jaar duren, zegt Altez. „Ik kan mijn bezwaren in Peru nog twee keer indienen, en daarna kan ik er ook nog mee naar het internationale hof in Costa Rica. Tot die tijd gaat de zaak niet verder.”

The trial against JVDS wont start soon. Its possible that it will take another year. In the worst case scenario its going to take 3 years, says MA. I have 2 possibillites left to file my complaints in Peru and after that I can go to the International court in Costa Rica. Until then the case is suspended.

Bovendien is er een groot aantal vragen rond de aanhouding van Joran van der Sloot en de FBI-undercoveractie die tegen hem liep op Aruba. „Ik richt me eerst nog op de allereerste stappen in de procedure die zijn fout gegaan”, zegt Altez. „Maar daarna moet ook precies duidelijk worden hoe de Peruaanse politie aan al die informatie kwam.” Zo is er veel onduidelijkheid over de camerabeelden van de deur van Jorans hotelkamer. Het gewone beveiligingssysteem leverde slechte beelden. „Het waren gewoon van die goedkope camera’s. Maar die van de deur waren ineens haarscherp, van geheel andere kwaliteit. Ter plekke zou er onderzoek moeten komen naar deze beelden.”

There are a lot of questions about the arrest of JVDS and the FBI undercoveroperation against him on Aruba. “Im going to focus first on the very first steps in the investigation that went wrong, says MA. But after that it has to become clear how the Peruvian police got all that information. For example there are questions about the videos of the door of Jorans hotelroom. The normal securitycams give bad quality videos. “They were very cheap cameras, but the videos of the door are very clear. They are from a completely different quality. There should be an investigation into this videos.


Dat is nodig, zegt hij. Uit het politieapparaat zegt Altez te hebben vernomen dat de Chinese eigenaren van Hotel Tac, waar Stephany werd gevonden, 40.000 dollar hebben betaald aan functionarissen. „Dat hotel is onder protectie van de Red Dragon, de Chinese maffia”, beweert hij. „Ze wilden geen diepgaand onderzoek in het hotel. Ik weet niet of het waar is, maar oude kennissen bij de politie vertellen me dat. Juist een reden voor onderzoek, lijkt me.”

That is neccesary he says. MA says that he heard from the police that the chinese owners of Hotel Tax, where SF was murdered, have paid 40.000 dollar to officials. "That hotel is under protection of Red Dragon, the chinese maffia, he claims. "They didnt want a thorough investigation in the hotel. Im not sure if that is true, but that is what old friends in the policeforce tell me. A good reason for an investigation, I think.

Ook heeft hij grote vragen over de Albanees, die Joran vroeg om naar Peru te komen. „Hij komt uit Uruguay, is Albanees en heet Elton Garcia. Het is een beetje onwerkelijk. Hij heeft het land mogen verlaten na twee verklaringen. Onderzoek moet eerst maar eens uitwijzen of zijn identiteit echt is, of dat hij een handlanger was van de FBI.”

He also has questions about the Albanian that asked Joran to come to Peru. “He is from Uruguay, is Albanian and his name is Elton Garcia. It’s a bit unreal. He was allowed to leave the country after 2 declarations. Investigation should prove if his identity is real or if he works for/with the FBI.

Even later laat Maximo Altez zijn maaltijd goed smaken. „Het Peruaanse eten is zo goed, je moet uitkijken voor de kilo’s.” Het leven is er om ook van te genieten, zegt hij. „Nadat ik de zaak van Joran had aangenomen, werd ik hier aangevallen. Iedereen vond dat hij geen advocaat verdiende. Mijn ruiten werden ingegooid, mijn vrouw moest tijdelijk naar Miami. Kijk, daar laat ik me niet door afschrikken. Het heeft echter ook goede kanten. Nu word ik door mensen gebeld of ik hen óók wil verdedigen. Omdat ik niet bang ben.”

The Peruvian food is so good, you have to watch out for extra kilos. Life is also there to enjoy, he says. “After I took on Jorans case, I was being attacked here. Everyone thought he didn’t deserve a lawyer. People broke my windows, my wife had to temporary leave for Miami. Look, Im not going to be scared away by that. It has good sides also. Im being called by people if I want to defend them too. Because Im not afraid.

„Wist je dat de leider van het onderzoek, generaal Cesar Guardia, als jochie bij mij op de lagere school zat? We zaten in dezelfde klas. En ziehier, inmiddels staan we tegenover elkaar. Prachtig, echt prachtig, toch? En nu het fout is gegaan, moet híj met de billen bloot, haha.”

Did you know that the leader of the investigation, general Cesar Guardia, as a kid was at the same school as me? We were in the same class. And now, we are on opposite ends. Splendid, really splendid, right? And now it went wrong, he is the one that has to ??Realistisch

Velen in Peru denken dat Joran 35 jaar zal krijgen. Maar Altez en zijn advocatenteam hebben daar toch andere ideeën over. Als het inhoudelijke proces langer op zich zal laten wachten dan 3,5 jaar, mag Joran zelfs naar huis in afwachting van de behandeling. En dat is iets waar de advocaat nu al over mijmert. „Want snel gaat het niet, hè.”

A lot of people in Peru think that Joran will get 35 years. But MA and his team disagree. If the trial will take more than 3.5 years, Joran is even allowed to go home while waiting for the trial. And that is something the lawyer already is musing about. "Because its not going really fast, right?"

„Bij een schuldigverklaring is een straf van tussen de 10 en 15 jaar realistischer”, zegt Altez. „Daar komt dan vervolgens nog de regeling voor strafkorting bij kijken. Joran kan mogelijk met vijf jaar alweer buiten staan. Met voldoende geld is het zolang in de gevangenis ook echt prima uit te houden. Dan is alles te krijgen. Vrouwen, drank, alles. Zonder geld is een ander verhaal. Let op mijn woorden, hij is voorlopig nog niet veroordeeld.”


When he gets convicted, a sentence of 10 to 15 years is more realistic, says MA. Then there is also the possibility of reduction of the sentence. Its possible that Joran is outside in 5 years. With enough money its ok to be in prison. Everything is available then. Women, alcohol, everything. Without money is a different story. Mark my words. He isnt convicted yet.
Just remember....... Defense attornies are ALL the same -- they think they can get ANYONE off. I'm still not worried!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Magnolia on September 04, 2010, 05:20:17 PM
I'm not worried either, Wreck.  Maximum Highness is in it for the money.

It is his job to say all of those things and never once does he say that Joran didn't kill Stephany.

Maximum Highness is just tootin his horn.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: wreck on September 04, 2010, 05:26:34 PM
I'm not worried either, Wreck.  Maximum Highness is in it for the money.

It is his job to say all of those things and never once does he say that Joran didn't kill Stephany.

Maximum Highness is just tootin his horn.
If this were in the USA, I might be alittle worried -- we OVERPROTECT criminals. This is Peru.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Magnolia on September 04, 2010, 05:28:19 PM
I don't know what this site is but they have an article on Joran. Video at site

http://chathousenews.blogspot.com/2010/09/joran-van-der-sloot-is-teaching-english.html


Joran van der Sloot is teaching English
 

http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/7557324/__Joran_geeft_Engelse_les__.html (Translated via Google translate)

Joran is teaching English
by John van den Heuvel and Bert Houses
LIMA - Joran van der Sloot is teaching English to the keepers of the Castro Castro prison in Lima. The Dutchman accused of two murders has now found his niche in the notorious prison in Peru and receives the guards in his cell to teach.


See Video at: http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/7557324/__Joran_geeft_Engelse_les__.html

John van den Heuvel talks Joran

EXCLUSIVE VIDEO John van den Heuvel Lima Joran van der Sloot said. See Video

Telegraph crime reporter John van den Heuvel Castro Castro prison in visiting Joran van der Sloot.Joran is so soon, possibly next week, between the ordinary prisoners placed in a special department for foreign prisoners.
This newspaper was doing research last week in Peru, among other things resulted in an exclusive interview with Van der Sloot in his cell, which appears Monday in The Associated Press.
Although Joran now resides in a high-security wing, for fear of actions by fellow inmates, he says not to fear for his life.
He asked whether he could be placed on the section of a Colombian hit man, with whom he previously shared his cell.
The first images of the large-Joran interview Monday to see the first broadcast of the TV show 'rush hour' of WNL. RTL 4 transmit the entire interview Monday.
In The Telegraph on Saturdaythe first part of the revealing report from Lima.
 

I think I'm going to throw up!  Now Joran has taken the role of "TEACHER" for the prison guards.

Will the craziness ever end!   :gaah:


I had a neighbor when I lived in Florida that was well educated and seemed like the nicest guy,
but his plane was shot down in Columbia, packed full of cocaine.  He survived and was put in
a Columbian prison.
We heard news that he was doing well and was teaching English to the Columbian guards.
Two months later we got news that he had been killed by those same guards.

Couldn't help but be reminded of Michael when I heard of Joran "teaching"


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: texasmom on September 04, 2010, 05:40:16 PM
Quote
"Instead of a bodybag, they put her body-at the request of her father- in a coffin. I say its possible that bruising happened after. Her body only had a global search. The next day her dad was allowed to bury her, while in murdercases it takes a week to release the body to the family. Her dad used his influence as a businessman there. That was also against the rules."


That just doesn't make sense to me. 

If bruising can even occur that long after death?

I really don't see how her being carried out in a coffin instead of a body bag would affect the body.  Seems to me being in the coffin would have protected the body more than being in a bag.

Stefany's father didn't want his daughter carried out in the normal way which I understood to be a clear body bag...where others could have seen her.  I don't blame him one bit for doing what he did to give his daughter a more dignified exit from the Tac Hotel.  That was the last thing he was able to do for his precious daughter.

Considering the reports of the condition of the body and the injuries that were inflicted on poor Stefany, the lawyer for Joran won't gain any support suggesting that the coffin that she was carried out in contributed to any of the marks on her body IMO.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

I guess he would have made the same argument if Joran had stuffed her in a suitcase and got caught on his way to the ocean to dump her!  The suitcase caused the bruises!

 ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: texasmom on September 04, 2010, 05:43:57 PM
I don't know what this site is but they have an article on Joran. Video at site

http://chathousenews.blogspot.com/2010/09/joran-van-der-sloot-is-teaching-english.html


Joran van der Sloot is teaching English
 

http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/7557324/__Joran_geeft_Engelse_les__.html (Translated via Google translate)

Joran is teaching English
by John van den Heuvel and Bert Houses
LIMA - Joran van der Sloot is teaching English to the keepers of the Castro Castro prison in Lima. The Dutchman accused of two murders has now found his niche in the notorious prison in Peru and receives the guards in his cell to teach.


See Video at: http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/7557324/__Joran_geeft_Engelse_les__.html

John van den Heuvel talks Joran

EXCLUSIVE VIDEO John van den Heuvel Lima Joran van der Sloot said. See Video

Telegraph crime reporter John van den Heuvel Castro Castro prison in visiting Joran van der Sloot.Joran is so soon, possibly next week, between the ordinary prisoners placed in a special department for foreign prisoners.
This newspaper was doing research last week in Peru, among other things resulted in an exclusive interview with Van der Sloot in his cell, which appears Monday in The Associated Press.
Although Joran now resides in a high-security wing, for fear of actions by fellow inmates, he says not to fear for his life.
He asked whether he could be placed on the section of a Colombian hit man, with whom he previously shared his cell.
The first images of the large-Joran interview Monday to see the first broadcast of the TV show 'rush hour' of WNL. RTL 4 transmit the entire interview Monday.
In The Telegraph on Saturdaythe first part of the revealing report from Lima.
 

I think I'm going to throw up!  Now Joran has taken the role of "TEACHER" for the prison guards.

Will the craziness ever end!   :gaah:


I had a neighbor when I lived in Florida that was well educated and seemed like the nicest guy,
but his plane was shot down in Columbia, packed full of cocaine.  He survived and was put in
a Columbian prison.
We heard news that he was doing well and was teaching English to the Columbian guards.
Two months later we got news that he had been killed by those same guards.

Couldn't help but be reminded of Michael when I heard of Joran "teaching"

Thanks Magnolia, makes me feel better about it now!  I can hope!   ::MonkeyDevil::

You know good and well he's not doing it for any other reason than to take advantage...so maybe he'll try to escape and they'll take him down!   :smt070


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Magnolia on September 04, 2010, 06:00:42 PM
Quote
"Instead of a bodybag, they put her body-at the request of her father- in a coffin. I say its possible that bruising happened after. Her body only had a global search. The next day her dad was allowed to bury her, while in murdercases it takes a week to release the body to the family. Her dad used his influence as a businessman there. That was also against the rules."


That just doesn't make sense to me. 

If bruising can even occur that long after death?

I really don't see how her being carried out in a coffin instead of a body bag would affect the body.  Seems to me being in the coffin would have protected the body more than being in a bag.

Stefany's father didn't want his daughter carried out in the normal way which I understood to be a clear body bag...where others could have seen her.  I don't blame him one bit for doing what he did to give his daughter a more dignified exit from the Tac Hotel.  That was the last thing he was able to do for his precious daughter.

Considering the reports of the condition of the body and the injuries that were inflicted on poor Stefany, the lawyer for Joran won't gain any support suggesting that the coffin that she was carried out in contributed to any of the marks on her body IMO.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

I guess he would have made the same argument if Joran had stuffed her in a suitcase and got caught on his way to the ocean to dump her!  The suitcase caused the bruises!

 ::MonkeyMad::



Didn't we hear, at the time the body was found, that what looked like bruising was actually where blood
had "pooled" as the body laid there for a couple of days?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: texasmom on September 04, 2010, 06:46:36 PM
http://www.24ora.com/local-mainmenu-5/21588-jan-van-der-straten-ta-importante-pa-tin-coordinacion-entre-fundacionnan-encuanto-adiccion.html

Papiamentu translation:

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jan van der straten: is important before have coordinacion among fundacionnan encuanto adiccion

saturday, 04 september 2010 00:51

in one interview cu jan van der straten owing to puntr’e on the trabaonan cu is tumando lugar the momentonan here before elimina the problem by adictonan on caya. this is one restructuracion on the problem by drugs in we comunidad. jan van der straten in one interview owing to splica cu is important before have coordinacion among the fundacionnan encuanto adiccion. the coordinacion not was present y p'esey because ministerio by salud before hang on to one encuentro cu all the fundacionnan. the hendenan problematico is trahando together cu police etc. before ataca the adictonan problematico first. the adictonan here cu is one molester regal is bay centro dakota at detentie center. is splica all fundacion con the situation is y together they will bay traha… owing to ask jan van der straten if here is deal by one structura full various by thing was have come to anend? past owing to splica cu the plan by gobierno is before privatisa centro dakota y hill colorado. naturally have to hang on to cuenta cu the posicion by cada trahado cu is cay because employee publico. jan van der straten owing to splica cu actualmente have alrededor by 50 before 60 adicto because adicto problematico.

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_77604.php

Google translation:

'Bigger role Coordination Office Drugs'

September 4, 2010, 12:46 (GMT -04:00)

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ORANGE CITY - In the strategic plan for improving care for addicts, that ministerial advisor Jan van der Straten this week to various relief agencies and the Ministry of Health presented, the emphasis is on a much larger role Drugs Coordination Office.

The expertise of the organizations should be strengthened and the capacity of individual organizations should be increased. This will strengthen the network of care. The Coordination Office Drugs must play a much bigger role, says Van der Straten. All minds, the same way and the Coordination Office should ensure that efficient and effective cooperation. All organizations agreed that the drug problem in Aruba have reached significant proportions. The organizations include both goals on the nuisance cause addicted street vagrants, drug users but also incidents in schools. The strategic plan is good cases at various organizations. So said Audrey Croes-Lacle, Chairman of the Foundation Adopt-an-Addict, that it is good to see that more willing to cooperate. 'Together we can achieve much more.

Prevention
The main objective of the strategic plan is prevention. Croes also agrees that, Lacle. "What we really miss in Aruba, its facilities for a combined treatment of drug problems and mental disorders. Most drug addicts are also psychiatric patients, but the psychiatric ward of the hospital she can not help. "The Ministry of Health showed during the presentation knowing that the prosecution soon 32 problematic drug users of the street will pick and forced reception will place.

Besides the strategic plan focuses on treating addicts in the short term and long-term treatment. As examples, proven methods from the Netherlands and Curacao described. From these countries is also practical help, for example in setting up rehabilitation homes.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: texasmom on September 04, 2010, 06:49:56 PM
Amigoe's version of the story...

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_77601.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

Joran is teaching English in cell

September 4, 2010, 12:43 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY / LIMA - shows Joran van der Sloot in teaching English to his cell prison guards. That says crime reporter John van den Heuvel in The Australian today, following an exclusive interview with Joran.

The murder suspect Joran van den Heuvel is in a relaxed impression. "He's not the most pleasant circumstances. But on other hand, it is a person who can survive under such circumstances. I think many of those under age it would go through. "Joran will be soon, possibly next week, moved to the open ward where he was among the ordinary prisoners get caught, says Van den Heuvel. He will be in a department for foreign prisoners are placed. Currently he resides in a high-security wing. Joran says, however, "not to fear for his life." Apparently, the murder suspect asked if he could be put to the same department where a Colombian assassin, whom he previously befriended, now sits.

Van den Heuvel was with fellow journalist Bert homes in Peru for research. They write a book about Joran which is expected this month released. Full interview with Joran will be broadcast on Monday the Dutch broadcaster RTL April. American news channels also CNN, CBS and ABC have shown interest.

Joran is in custody on suspicion of the murder of 21-year-old Peruvian student Stephany Flores.

He is still the prime suspect in the disappearance of American teenager Natalee Holloway in 2005.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: texasmom on September 04, 2010, 06:53:56 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_77606.php

Statute Revision Kingdom a fact

September 4, 2010, 12:47 (GMT -04:00)

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ORANGE CITY - After three days of squabbling, quarreling, yelling, cursing back and forth, and even a fake bomb threat yesterday to amend the Statute Kingdom with a majority of 12 votes to 9 votes against it in Parliament. This is what Aruba on the way for the privatization of St. Maarten and Curaçao on 10 October 2010. Issue was Article 27, paragraph 3, according to opposition parties and MEP PDR is unnecessary and may undermine the autonomy of Aruba. The Netherlands would quicker with the right to intervene in the event that the Aruba certain conventions, which it has agreed not deploy fast enough. Although in April against, this proved no problem to form the AVP group, unanimously agreed to the new Kingdom Statute. According to Premier Mike Eman (AVP) would make the article even reduce the interference of contents Netherlands.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Buckeye on September 04, 2010, 07:03:05 PM
"No, I do not do interviews", I said.


He said, during his Dutch interview.   ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: texasmom on September 04, 2010, 07:18:08 PM

"No, I do not do interviews", I said.

He said, during his Dutch interview.   ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

Quote
Acquaintances asked him to be JVDS lawyer. "I didnt even know he was suspected in the NH dissapearance. That dissapearance didnt get any attention in Peru. In the US and Holland it was a big story, I found out soon. Soon everyone was calling me. ABC, CNN, Fox, even Larry King called at my cellphone to ask for a response. "No, I do not do interviews", I said. Lovely!"


Yeah, not until Anita told him that's how he would get paid!  And only with Dutch reporters who will surely lean things their way, and then sell the interview to the highest American bidder!
 
::MonkeyMad::

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_77601.php

 ::monkeyscissors::

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Van den Heuvel was with fellow journalist Bert homes in Peru for research. They write a book about Joran which is expected this month released. Full interview with Joran will be broadcast on Monday the Dutch broadcaster RTL April. American news channels also CNN, CBS and ABC have shown interest.


 ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyMad::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: texasmom on September 04, 2010, 07:28:13 PM
Quote
"Instead of a bodybag, they put her body-at the request of her father- in a coffin. I say its possible that bruising happened after. Her body only had a global search. The next day her dad was allowed to bury her, while in murdercases it takes a week to release the body to the family. Her dad used his influence as a businessman there. That was also against the rules."


That just doesn't make sense to me. 

If bruising can even occur that long after death?

I really don't see how her being carried out in a coffin instead of a body bag would affect the body.  Seems to me being in the coffin would have protected the body more than being in a bag.

Stefany's father didn't want his daughter carried out in the normal way which I understood to be a clear body bag...where others could have seen her.  I don't blame him one bit for doing what he did to give his daughter a more dignified exit from the Tac Hotel.  That was the last thing he was able to do for his precious daughter.

Considering the reports of the condition of the body and the injuries that were inflicted on poor Stefany, the lawyer for Joran won't gain any support suggesting that the coffin that she was carried out in contributed to any of the marks on her body IMO.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

I guess he would have made the same argument if Joran had stuffed her in a suitcase and got caught on his way to the ocean to dump her!  The suitcase caused the bruises!

 ::MonkeyMad::


Didn't we hear, at the time the body was found, that what looked like bruising was actually where blood
had "pooled" as the body laid there for a couple of days?

It seems like I do remember something about that, but haven't found it.  It seems to me that there was probably some of both.  If I understand correctly blood would only pool in the lowest points of the body depending on how she was left laying, so I don't think all of what was believed to be bruises could have been lividity.  JMO

http://www.exploreforensics.co.uk/rigor-mortis-and-lividity.html

 ::monkeyscissors::

What is Lividity?
Lividity is also useful for this purpose. Lividity is the process through which the body's blood supply will stop moving after the heart has stopped pumping it around the inside of the deceased. What normally happens at this point is that the blood supply - or at least any blood that remains within the corpse depending on the nature of their death - will settle in direct response to gravity. For example an individual found lying on their stomach would be found with all the blood from their back heading towards the ground. Lividity also displays itself as a dark purple discolouration of the body and can also be referred to as Livor Mortis or Post Mortem Hypostasis.

Any part of the body which has come into contact with a firm surface for a period of time - such as a floor or bench top - will show signs of this during lividity as this impression against the skin displays itself as an indentation surrounded by gravity-pulled blood.

It is worth noting that lividity begins to work through the deceased within thirty minutes of their heart stopping and can last up to twelve hours. Only up to the first six hours of death can lividity be altered by moving the body. After the six hour mark lividity is fixed as blood vessels begin to break down within the body.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: texasmom on September 04, 2010, 07:41:49 PM
Sebastian gets to dance with Mom, Val in college at Emerson, Paulus is passed away and Joran is in prison in Peru. 

Where is Natalee, Sloots???  Deepak....Satish....can you answer that question???   Someone knows the truth.

 ::MonkeyMad::

I agree!

Joran's partying in prison...has a lady visitor for 30 minutes at a time ANY TIME she chooses...and now we hear that he's given that interview.  Just how much was he paid for that interview?  Did Anita get a cut for that interview too?  And who's tracking where the money went?  Did some of it fund the happy little gathering of the murderers in their private little wing of Castro Castro?  Did some of it pay one of the guards to take the picture and release it to the press?  Just WHAT ELSE will that money pay for????  Will the Sloots profit from any of the books being written?

I'm sick and tired of that murderer making money off of his crimes, while Natalee's family STILL doesn't have answers!

The Flores family must be very upset about Joran's special treatment too!

What's taking so long with the three judge appeal panel?  I thought they were supposed to have a decision this week!

I'm mad as hell!    ::MonkeyMad:: :smt096 :smt092 :smt091 :smt093 ::MonkeyMad::

SOMEBODY KNOWS, and can give Natalee's family the peace they need.  I hope their life is the ultimate "miserable existence" until they come forward and tell the TRUTH!

JMO

Will the money go to pay back Beth for the extortion money that Joran did just before he murdered innocent Stephany?

WHO IS HELPING JORAN?


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Don't know if there's enough info to determine if it was the same "person" or not, but I found this interesting.



http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2481.msg323247#msg323247

Nut44x4 posted:

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Someone in Aruba is watching us discuss Lorenzo and searching words
"alligator aruba" which brings up the SM story on Lorenzo's arrest...
http://scaredmonkeys.com/2007/06/21/lorenzo-van-rijn-arrested-on-drug-charges-in-aruba-hmm-ya-dont-say/


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Quote from: klaasend on December 30, 2007, 07:55:42 PM

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BB - it's the location of one of the internet cafes.  One was in the Royal Plaza (I thought Deepak's) and the other in Seaport Village.  This would be Seaport Village (I believe that's what it's called)

Upon closer view, it appears to be a home in that area (if the google map is correct):

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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Buckeye on September 04, 2010, 07:47:16 PM
You can distinguish lividity from a bruise by pressing down on the skin area. Since with lividity, the blood is still in the blood vessels, when you press down on the skin, the skin changes color and turns white (or whatever skin color the person normally has).  Bruises, by definition, are broken blood vessels, so when you press down on the skin area for them, you won't notice any color change; the skin area will just turn another shade of blueish-green.


 :smt102 :smt102


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: klaasend on September 04, 2010, 07:57:04 PM
http://www.examiner.com/crime-in-national/joran-van-der-sloot-prime-suspect-natalee-holloway-case-gives-interview-to-dutch-tv


Joran van der Sloot, prime suspect in Natalee Holloway case, gives interview to Dutch TV


September 4th, 2010 7:03 pm ET

Dutch TV will air an interview with Joran van der Sloot, the prime suspect in the Natalee Holloway disappearance, who now sits behind bars for allegedly murdering a Peruvian woman in May.

Radio Netherlands Worldwide reports that Dutch crime reporter, John van den Heuvel, spoke with van der Sloot at the maximum security prison Miguel Castro Castro in Lima where van der Sloot is being held on murder charges.

Stefany Flores, 21, was found dead in van der Sloot’s hotel room on May 30. He confessed to the killing, according to Peruvian police, however he now disputes such an admission. He is currently awaiting a decision from a panel of judges to determine whether his confession is valid or was coerced as van der Sloot now claims.

To read excerpts from his confession regarding Stephany's murder, click here.

He is also suspected in the 2005 disappearance of Alabama teenager Natalee Holloway, 18, who was in Aruba with her high school classmates to celebrate their graduation. Natalee was last seen leaving a nightclub with van der Sloot May 30. She has not been seen since.

According to RNW, van den Heuvel also interviewed van der Sloot’s mother, Anita, who told him she will not visit her son in prison if he’s convicted of murdering Stefany.

The interview is entitled “Joran Speaks” and will air on RTL Monday. CBS News reports that the station is giving no further details about the interview.

To see the prison photo of van der Sloot with several other inmates, reportedly taken by a jailer, click here...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: texasmom on September 04, 2010, 08:53:05 PM
http://www.diario.aw/2010/09/e-luznan-di-hotel-di-ritz-carlton-lo-no-atrae-e-turtuganan/

Papiamentu translation:

the luznan by hotel by ritz carlton will not atrae the turtuganan

publication: saturday, 4 september 2010.

categoria: general

(http://www.diario.aw/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/tortuga1.jpg)

according advocate carlo,
oranjestad(aan): diabierna did take lugar one caso in cual one are by ambientalista owing to do one peticion before take away the vergunning cu desaroyos hotelco owing to attain, before construi the hotel by ritz carlton close by fisherman’s huts. is so cu hotelco owing to attain one vergunning but the are by ambientalista cu is inclui fanapa, ammf, rainbow warriors y turtuga aruba owing to cuminza one caso for her vergunning here wordo take away, because hotelco will not owing to hang on to her self at cierto rekisitonan, incluyendo hang on to cuenta cu the mature cu just in the area ey the turtuga loggerhead is laydown her webonan. after by tratamento by the caso, daily paper owing to interview advocate antonio carlo, that is representa hotelco. past owing to splica cu the caso here is part by the caso cu the ambientalistanan have contra minister by infrastructura, cu is before take away the vergunning otorga by part by the minister at hotelco. diabierna huez owing to listen hotelco, before look at kico is her posicion.

carlo owing to indicate huez on the mature cu not have base before suspende the permission by construccion, because the vergunning here is keep cu all regulation legal. according carlo, the desaroyador hotelco, owing to hang on to cuenta cu all the interesnan ambiental, at instant cu owing to prepara the proyecto.

this is nifica cu not have neither motibo valido before suspende the permission by construccion give they hotelco. carlo owing to follow say cu two rapport owing to wordo work.

uno is one mer rapport cu is do one study on the efectonan ambiental by the proyecto y the study owing to wordo do on the ground ey. hour cu gobierno did take the decision by give the ground in erfpacht, they owing to hang on to cuenta cu all the aspectonan ambiental.

this according carlo, that owing to follow say cu her cliente hour the is bay construi the hotel, is bay hang on to cuenta cu all the aspectonan ambiental poni in the rapport.

daily paper owing to ask carlo tocante the mature cu the ambientalistanan is say for example cu among another the luz y the hendenan at the hotel hour the remain cla, is bay stroba the turtuga loggerhead, because cu esey is the area where all year the turtuga is laydown her webonan.

carlo owing to say cu hotelco owing to combersa come to anend cu the organizacion turtuga aruba tocante this y owing to arrive at the palabracion cu hotelco is bay hang on to cuenta cu all the aspectonan cu owing to wordo señala or recomenda in the rapport, cu be called one ‘turtle addendum’.

in the documentonan here one recomendacion is wordo do before maneha the luznan at the hotel. the luznan by the hotel is bay is by such form cu the do not bay atrae the turtuganan.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: texasmom on September 04, 2010, 09:18:44 PM
 ::MonkeyShocked::

The man that was convicted of killing Dorothy Hassell in her home in October of last year, and sentenced to 18 years for her murder; has been set free.

http://www.diario.aw/2010/09/homber-condena-na-18-ana-pa-a-mata-sra-hassell-declara-liber-pa-corte-superior/

Papiamentu translation:

man condena at 18 year before owing to kill sra.hassell declara pound before corte superior

publication: saturday, 4 september 2010.

categoria: general

oranjestad(aan): recientemente corte superior owing to give one veredicto cu owing to allow quite person babuca. is deal by veredicto in the caso by asesinato by sra hassel at savaneta. is so cu sheikh mohamed ali hydarali, one ilegal by guyana, owing to wordo acusa by asesinato by the sra y after by tratamento by the caso, corte by first instancia owing to attain hydarali culpable by asesinato y owing to condene at 18 year by castigo. sheikh h. owing to give quite various declaracion at police y in corte. at various occasion past owing to say cu the not was at home by the lady hour ladronnan owing to come into steal for by the lady the mate.

after past owing to say cu past owing to bay at the cas together cu one another person y at dado instant past owing to ripara cu the another person owing to kill sra hassel. so self corte superior owing to attain cu declaracionnan by hydarali y by another testigonan owing to allow mucho espacio before doubt.

hof not owing to attain cu sufficient proof owing to wordo acumula before indicate cu by berdad hydarali owing to comete the crimen or cu the was tey during the crimen. so self cu hydarali owing to say in corte cu the was tey, hof owing to dicidi by declara the acusado pound by all acusacion.

at present or.m is evaluando if will follow persigui person in corte by casacion. problem is cu hydarali is ilegal y is bay wordo deporta for by aruba soon. family by the victima y they amigo y conocirnan owing to remain totalmente asombra for her veredicto by huez by corte superior.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=188.msg994860#msg994860

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=188.msg987066#msg987066

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=7221.msg1115083#msg1115083


http://24ora.com/corte-mainmenu-29/21596-asesino-di-sra-dorothy-hassell-di-savaneta-declara-liber.html

Papiamentu translation:

murderer by sra. dorothy hassell by savaneta declara pound

saturday, 04 september 2010 11:23

he sheik mohamed hydarelie by guyana y that was permanece ilegal at aruba, owing to listen by corte superior cu the can depart pound for by kia. the acusado owing to ricibi one castigo by 18 year in corte by first instancia, acusa by owing to asesina sra. dorothy hassell sit in her cas at savaneta. the three huesnan do not attain cu ministerio publico can owing to present pruebanan convincente cu is sheik hydarelie self owing to comete dicho asesinato. family by the victima y ministerio publico owing to remain totalmente asombra for her sentencia here. fiscal at present is evaluando cu if will apela the sentencia at corte by casacion at the netherlands. have to say if, cu by one principio the pruebanan not was convincente. we can corda cu autoridadnan owing to continue very quite first cu owing to bay over at detencion by the sospechoso, although had witness by owing to say by will owing to mir'e at the cas. but look like cu the pruebanan in the cas self neither is identifica he here because the sospechoso. es more, the acusado owing to admiti by one principio by owing to arrive the cas y owing to attain the lady dead eyden. the self is say cu otro(nan) owing to bay steal eyden y will owing to asesina the lady. famianan at present is in more tristesa, before motibo cu the caso by asesinato cruela here is follow open y without solucion.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Buckeye on September 04, 2010, 09:19:15 PM
Referring to above TM post:

Case to suspend building permit of Ritz Carlton project
by Ultimo beach na Aruba mester keda di nos SAY NO TO RITZ CARLTON !!! on Saturday, September 4, 2010 at 1:20pm

The proposed "eco-friendly" construction ...
In a nutshell - this past Friday September3, 2010, the continuation of a court case took place between 4 environmental NGO's, Tortugaruba, Aruba Marine Mammal Foundation (AMMF), FANAPA and Rainbow Warriors Core, represented by mr. Yarzagaray & mr. Foy vs. Aruba (represented by mr. Langerak) and the developer Desarollos Hotelco (represented by mr. Carlo)(DHC-developer for the Ritz project).The purpose of this case is to suspend the building permit since the NGO's feel the developer did not duly comply with the requirements to obtain the long lease hold of the land, and as such neither the long lease hold nor the building permit should have been granted.
 

One of the main requirements is an Environmental Impact Assessment (EIA) study. This was never submitted by DHC, rather they "made reference" to one that was made for Bazarian International, another developer in 2005 for a completely different building structure. To this especially Tortugaruba has major objections, since they feel that the company that created this report in 2005 had very little knowledge of the turtles in question as they didn't even know the name of the turtles (loggerhead) that exclusively nest at Fishermen's Huts.
 

DHC feels that the report of 2005 that they make reference to still applies and suffices, since at that time (2005) a "Turtle Addendum" was added to the EIA and that they will comply with the requirements of this addendum. But as stated above, Turtugaruba seriously questions this addendum, especially since this is now a completely different structure than that of 2005, and as such the impact of the new structure should be studied specifically.


In addition to an EIA, the developer (DHC) was also required to submit a Social Economic Impact Assessment (SEIA), which it failed to do, since here it also made reference to the SEIA of 2005 made for Bazarian International.

 
DHC feels that there is no ground to suspend their building permit as it was obtained legally and that they will comply with the environmental requirements as set forth in the EIA and Turtle Addendum.

 

Mr. Yarzagaray representing NGO's
On Friday September 3, 2010, the judge asked DHC whether they had already started with the construction of the building, since otherwise she would have to require them to halt construction until she ruled on the case. To this DHC replied that they have not started and that construction of the structure is scheduled to start in 3-4 weeks. At this point the judge stated that she will have a ruling by September 22, 2010.

http://www.facebook.com/notes/ultimo-beach-na-aruba-mester-keda-di-nos-say-no-to-ritz-carlton-/case-to-suspend-building-permit-of-ritz-carlton-project/151442964883327

 



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: texasmom on September 04, 2010, 09:24:24 PM
Thanks Buckeye!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Buckeye on September 04, 2010, 09:28:01 PM
Thanks Buckeye!   ::MonkeyCool::


 :wink:


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: texasmom on September 04, 2010, 10:13:01 PM
Bad hair day.

http://www.24ora.com/gallery.html?func=detail&id=13321

(http://www.24ora.com/index.php?option=com_joomgallery&func=watermark&catid=133&id=13321&Itemid=63)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Magnolia on September 04, 2010, 10:16:06 PM
Bad hair day.

http://www.24ora.com/gallery.html?func=detail&id=13321

(http://www.24ora.com/index.php?option=com_joomgallery&func=watermark&catid=133&id=13321&Itemid=63)



Well, he has a sweet face. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Magnolia on September 04, 2010, 10:22:00 PM
Hudson and I have decided to become CULPRITS. The nature of the vocation is somewhat vague, but from the way people write about them, they seem to get a lot done.

We think we need some culprits to cope with all of the things going on in this case right now.

There is just so much wickedness coming to light.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: texasmom on September 04, 2010, 11:17:51 PM
Speaking of wickedness...

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Same thing the day before...

maybe every day? 

::MonkeyDevil::




Annalisa Gesterkamp Hi hon!!! I'm soooo sorry I left without saying goodbye!! :( I kept meaning to call you but in all the rush it slipped my mind! I miss you too! And you look gorgeous in your profile pic! Sooo....when you coming to visit? huh? huh?
August 12 at 6:18am

this is the profile pic...(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/gorgeous.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: texasmom on September 04, 2010, 11:26:11 PM
Hudson and I have decided to become CULPRITS. The nature of the vocation is somewhat vague, but from the way people write about them, they seem to get a lot done.

We think we need some culprits to cope with all of the things going on in this case right now.

There is just so much wickedness coming to light.

I'm confused.   ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

I can't even imagine you and Hudson being culprits. 

 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Magnolia on September 04, 2010, 11:26:56 PM
Speaking of wickedness...

http://www.facebook.com

Rosalie Klein

Rosalie is playing cards with the devil to win back their soul and needs help!

Friends who help may get a bonus!

Thursday at 10:26am via Vampire Wars · Help them



Same thing the day before...

maybe every day? 

::MonkeyDevil::




Annalisa Gesterkamp Hi hon!!! I'm soooo sorry I left without saying goodbye!! :( I kept meaning to call you but in all the rush it slipped my mind! I miss you too! And you look gorgeous in your profile pic! Sooo....when you coming to visit? huh? huh?
August 12 at 6:18am

this is the profile pic...(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/gorgeous.jpg)


That baby piglet is adorable! ::piggy::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Magnolia on September 04, 2010, 11:34:29 PM
Hudson and I have decided to become CULPRITS. The nature of the vocation is somewhat vague, but from the way people write about them, they seem to get a lot done.

We think we need some culprits to cope with all of the things going on in this case right now.

There is just so much wickedness coming to light.

I'm confused.   ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

I can't even imagine you and Hudson being culprits. 

 



What's you talking?  We would make marvelous culprits. ::MonkeyTongue::

You know, the culprits ran away with a TV.. or the culprits disturbed the whole neighborhood.

Or maybe....after breaking into Castro Castro Prison, the culprits forced Joran Van der Sloot
 to reveal the location of Natalee Holloway's remains. ::MonkeyGavel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: texasmom on September 05, 2010, 12:14:34 AM
Hudson and I have decided to become CULPRITS. The nature of the vocation is somewhat vague, but from the way people write about them, they seem to get a lot done.

We think we need some culprits to cope with all of the things going on in this case right now.

There is just so much wickedness coming to light.

I'm confused.   ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

I can't even imagine you and Hudson being culprits. 


What's you talking?  We would make marvelous culprits. ::MonkeyTongue::

You know, the culprits ran away with a TV.. or the culprits disturbed the whole neighborhood.

Or maybe....after breaking into Castro Castro Prison, the culprits forced Joran Van der Sloot
 to reveal the location of Natalee Holloway's remains. ::MonkeyGavel::

Oh o.k.!  I couldn't see you and Hudson with the T.V. or disturbing the neighborhood

but...something like Natalee's Special Forces!  I can go for that!   ::MonkeyGavel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: texasmom on September 05, 2010, 12:33:38 AM
Couldn't help but think of this!   ::MonkeyDance::

HT Carpe

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Greetings/monkeyarmydirtydotcom_carpe.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: texasmom on September 05, 2010, 12:35:15 AM
Photobucket wasn't working but I figured out what the problem was...had to update java...forgot I'd attached the picture too!
 
 ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Magnolia on September 05, 2010, 12:49:26 AM
Couldn't help but think of this!   ::MonkeyDance::

HT Carpe

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Greetings/monkeyarmydirtydotcom_carpe.jpg)


That is just the best picture!  ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: texasmom on September 05, 2010, 01:04:25 AM
Couldn't help but think of this!   ::MonkeyDance::

HT Carpe

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Greetings/monkeyarmydirtydotcom_carpe.jpg)


That is just the best picture!  ::MonkeyDevil::

I love it too!  Where is Carpe?  I've seen him a few times late at night, but he hasn't posted in a while...miss him!



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Magnolia on September 05, 2010, 01:59:11 AM
Couldn't help but think of this!   ::MonkeyDance::

HT Carpe

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Greetings/monkeyarmydirtydotcom_carpe.jpg)


That is just the best picture!  ::MonkeyDevil::

I love it too!  Where is Carpe?  I've seen him a few times late at night, but he hasn't posted in a while...miss him!



I miss him too.  We have had some good material for him with the dancing Sloots and Roochi
and Satish's marriage.

I miss Lifesong too and I have been worried about her.  I hope she isn't sick again.

I know Jen is enjoying her bouncing baby boy.  I know he is adorable and getting cuter every day.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: texasmom on September 05, 2010, 04:41:39 AM
Good to see you Carpe!   ::HelloKitty::







Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: texasmom on September 05, 2010, 04:44:59 AM
If you didn't see it already, there's an article in this month's Glamour magazine about Natalee.

I posted it here so it would be easy to find.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8498.0





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: carpe noctem on September 05, 2010, 04:49:08 AM
(http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff15/sueann37/Natalee/john_758031d.jpg)


Joran and the reporter,what ever his name is.  I just want to go down there and smack that smirk off his face.

They need to fill those bottles with more sand... (lifting weights made out of a broom stick and bottles.)

He's looking pretty sad, physically.

Joran doesn't have the discipline to lift every day. When they said he was working out in that old article... I was laughing my ----- off. If he was, and he still looks like this pic, the guy has
a problem.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: carpe noctem on September 05, 2010, 05:17:00 AM
Good to see you Carpe!   ::HelloKitty::







you too, texasmom!! Hi Magnolia!! My love to all.

Oh, I have have definitely been hanging around and taking in all the posts. I have been
busy and have been keeping my big yapper closed. (I know, for a change. LOL)

I'm lighting Nat's candles each day... things are just fine here... and you know I'm in this
thing for the long haul, right? I'll always be here for Nat and her family. I will be here until
the end... and there will be one.

Aruba is in for another big shock wave coming. It's due soon. I'm bottling up my energy for that... and licking my chops.  ::MonkeyTongue::

Keep up all the great work, Monkeys! ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: texasmom on September 05, 2010, 05:20:19 AM
Good to see you Carpe!   ::HelloKitty::


you too, texasmom!! Hi Magnolia!! My love to all.

Oh, I have have definitely been hanging around and taking in all the posts. I have been
busy and have been keeping my big yapper closed. (I know, for a change. LOL)

I'm lighting Nat's candles each day... things are just fine here... and you know I'm in this
thing for the long haul, right? I'll always be here for Nat and her family. I will be here until
the end... and there will be one.

Aruba is in for another big shock wave coming. It's due soon. I'm bottling up my energy for that... and licking my chops.  ::MonkeyTongue::

Keep up all the great work, Monkeys! ::MonkeyAngel::

 ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: texasmom on September 05, 2010, 05:52:28 AM
http://www.facebook.com

From Oriana Mansur's 15th Birthday Party

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Van%20der%20Sloot/08302010_OrianaMansurPartyRenaissance6-1.jpg)

Orietta Mansur, Dilma Arends Geerman, Anita van der Sloot


(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Van%20der%20Sloot/08302010_OrianaMansurPartyRenaissance3-1.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Van%20der%20Sloot/08302010_OrianaMansurPartyRenaissance5-1.jpg)

Anita van der Sloot and Michelle Marlenee Boset

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Van%20der%20Sloot/08302010_OrianaMansurParty_Renaissance1-1.jpg)

?, Orietta Mansur, Dilma Arends Geerman, Anita van der Sloot, Leonor Sousa, ?, Pilar Vasquez Sydow


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: MuffyBee on September 05, 2010, 10:05:47 AM
Good to see you Carpe!   ::HelloKitty::


you too, texasmom!! Hi Magnolia!! My love to all.

Oh, I have have definitely been hanging around and taking in all the posts. I have been
busy and have been keeping my big yapper closed. (I know, for a change. LOL)

I'm lighting Nat's candles each day... things are just fine here... and you know I'm in this
thing for the long haul, right? I'll always be here for Nat and her family. I will be here until
the end... and there will be one.

Aruba is in for another big shock wave coming. It's due soon. I'm bottling up my energy for that... and licking my chops.  ::MonkeyTongue::

Keep up all the great work, Monkeys! ::MonkeyAngel::

 ::MonkeyKiss::

 ::MonkeyAngel::  ::MonkeyAngel:: Carpe  ::MonkeyAngel::  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on September 05, 2010, 10:09:54 AM
 ::bananadance::

(http://www.bucuticam.com/album2/Images/247.zoom2.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: klaasend on September 05, 2010, 10:25:31 AM
http://www.diario.aw/2010/09/guardacosta-di-aruba-a-cuminza-%E2%80%9Cinvadi%E2%80%9D-laman-di-falcon/

I'm affraid I haven't gotten much better at translating pap:

venezolanonan owing to cuminza protest by the provocacion here! manifestacion owing to start come to anend debi at the “invasion” by aruba here!

 oranjestad (aan): is seems cu one boss new owing to cuminza haci cosnan raro cu guardacosta by aruba y antiyas, y kico the result is? owing to cuminza come to anend cu patience by the country neighbour! piscadornan by estado falcon at venezuela owing to come to anend by hang on to one protest! esey is debi cu they're convenci, cu guardacosta by aruba y antiyas at one form inhusto owing to detene they on tuesday at night cu owing to happen. the piscadornan owing to bay complain at autoridad venezolano, cu is the cutter by guardacosta aruban is esun cu owing to “viola” sound maritimo by the country neighbour! the reclamo y disgust here pregnant falcon, owing to produci one “acto by protesta” also on diaranzon. this owing to worde cubri before prensa also.

(snipped)

(http://www.diario.aw/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/veneulanda1.jpg)

(http://www.diario.aw/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/veneulanda2.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: texasmom on September 05, 2010, 11:41:26 AM
Klaas,
I honestly tried on that article for about an hour last night!  I didn't post it because I was afraid someone would ask me what it said! ::MonkeyHaHa::

I remember them installing a new guy over the NA/Aruba Coast Guard and I think they're saying that one of the exercises he ordered caused this problem. 

I'm still not sure if they're claiming Netherlands Antilles/Aruba Coast Guard crossed over into Venezuelan waters and arrested some Venezuelans...or what!  At first I thought the ones arrested were from the Netherlands Antilles/Aruba Coast Guard...but I think it says the ones arrested were Venezuelan....I'm getting confused again!   

::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: klaasend on September 05, 2010, 11:53:04 AM
Klaas,
I honestly tried on that article for about an hour last night!  I didn't post it because I was afraid someone would ask me what it said! ::MonkeyHaHa::

I remember them installing a new guy over the NA/Aruba Coast Guard and I think they're saying that one of the exercises he ordered caused this problem. 

I'm still not sure if they're claiming Netherlands Antilles/Aruba Coast Guard crossed over into Venezuelan waters and arrested some Venezuelans...or what!  At first I thought the ones arrested were from the Netherlands Antilles/Aruba Coast Guard...but I think it says the ones arrested were Venezuelan....I'm getting confused again!   

::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyConfused::


I found the Venezuelan article, let me get it for you.  Can't copy and paste the article though will have to be typed into the translator and I was too lazy to do it .    ::MonkeyCool::

http://www.nuevodia.com.ve/

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/NuevoDia090210.jpg)



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: texasmom on September 05, 2010, 12:02:52 PM
Not sure but I think these are probably from another 15 year old's party last night...

http://www.facebook.com

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Van%20der%20Sloot/09042010_Sebastian1.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Van%20der%20Sloot/09042010_Sebastian2.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: texasmom on September 05, 2010, 12:12:34 PM
Klaas,
I honestly tried on that article for about an hour last night!  I didn't post it because I was afraid someone would ask me what it said! ::MonkeyHaHa::

I remember them installing a new guy over the NA/Aruba Coast Guard and I think they're saying that one of the exercises he ordered caused this problem. 

I'm still not sure if they're claiming Netherlands Antilles/Aruba Coast Guard crossed over into Venezuelan waters and arrested some Venezuelans...or what!  At first I thought the ones arrested were from the Netherlands Antilles/Aruba Coast Guard...but I think it says the ones arrested were Venezuelan....I'm getting confused again!   

::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyConfused::


I found the Venezuelan article, let me get it for you.  Can't copy and paste the article though will have to be typed into the translator and I was too lazy to do it .    ::MonkeyCool::

http://www.nuevodia.com.ve/

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/NuevoDia090210.jpg)



Thanks Klaas!   ::MonkeyCool::

Spanish translation:

Spanish to English translation


Netherlands maritima violated Venezuelan sovereignty
The catch of fishermen in Venezuelan waters, but by the Aruban authorities, sparked a protest by respect for the sovereignty maritima. So the fishermen reported that work on the east coast of the peninsula of Paraguana. They claimed that the municipality Falcon six sailors were seized and detained two boats. This action of the military authorities of the neighboring island of the Netherlands, why representatives of community councils Delos coastal axis of the Paraguana peninsula, fishermen and the mayor of the municipality Falcon, Americo Parra, to conduct a peaceful demonstration in the maritime boundaries of both countries . The action was supported by the coast guard, to 15 vessels of the municipality Falcon fishermen hoisted the flag of Venezuela in protest against the abuses of the military authorities of the neighboring island of Aruba, say the protesters


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Edward on September 05, 2010, 12:27:58 PM
I Have no idea about the holiday interactions between Aruba and Venezuela .. I will keep an eye on it.

BUT

As far as Mansur and Vandersloot.. There is NO Bad Blood between the 2 familes and that is obvious.
No matter what Josey has said abdout Joran or Paulus all is forgiven by Anita or it was all just a game in play in the first place.

Sick little group..

Poor Natalee .. She never had any chance at justice from this group.
jmho


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: wreck on September 05, 2010, 01:22:33 PM
Good to see you Carpe!   ::HelloKitty::







you too, texasmom!! Hi Magnolia!! My love to all.

Oh, I have have definitely been hanging around and taking in all the posts. I have been
busy and have been keeping my big yapper closed. (I know, for a change. LOL)

I'm lighting Nat's candles each day... things are just fine here... and you know I'm in this
thing for the long haul, right? I'll always be here for Nat and her family. I will be here until
the end... and there will be one.

Aruba is in for another big shock wave coming. It's due soon. I'm bottling up my energy for that... and licking my chops.  ::MonkeyTongue::

Keep up all the great work, Monkeys! ::MonkeyAngel::
Apparently his only daily exercise involves gay sex!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: wreck on September 05, 2010, 01:24:45 PM
(http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff15/sueann37/Natalee/john_758031d.jpg)


Joran and the reporter,what ever his name is.  I just want to go down there and smack that smirk off his face.

They need to fill those bottles with more sand... (lifting weights made out of a broom stick and bottles.)

He's looking pretty sad, physically.

Joran doesn't have the discipline to lift every day. When they said he was working out in that old article... I was laughing my ----- off. If he was, and he still looks like this pic, the guy has
a problem.

oops - I quoted the wrong post!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Magnolia on September 05, 2010, 01:38:16 PM
Good to see you Carpe!   ::HelloKitty::







you too, texasmom!! Hi Magnolia!! My love to all.

Oh, I have have definitely been hanging around and taking in all the posts. I have been
busy and have been keeping my big yapper closed. (I know, for a change. LOL)

I'm lighting Nat's candles each day... things are just fine here... and you know I'm in this
thing for the long haul, right? I'll always be here for Nat and her family. I will be here until
the end... and there will be one.

Aruba is in for another big shock wave coming. It's due soon. I'm bottling up my energy for that... and licking my chops.  ::MonkeyTongue::

Keep up all the great work, Monkeys! ::MonkeyAngel::
Apparently his only daily exercise involves gay sex!


And he likes it!! ::MonkeyDevil::  He has asked to be moved to the same block as the Clown.

I do enjoy seeing Joran's jailhouse pallor.  The sporter has started to resemble Moby Dick. ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Agraria on September 05, 2010, 10:06:09 PM
To Natalee's Angels

::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::

Just a quick note to thank you and honor you all for holding the fort for these many years for precious Natalee and her dear Mother and Father.  No matter how many twists and turns occur, you persevere and see them as new possible opportunities for justice. You never give up hope!

You all qualify for halos in my book!   ::MonkeyAngel::

The people that we deal with in Aruba and elsewhere are soulless. Anything else that reveals itself is going to be a sheer miracle. I feel that Beth has found her peace with God's help finally. An answer to a multitude of prayers.

And to Klaas...THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING. You keep it all going. You're my hero.

Blessings,

Tricia



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 05, 2010, 10:45:14 PM
THE PERSISTENCE BETRAYAL

A Measure of Closure

There will be no Aruban justice for Natalee Holloway but ... there will be justice nevertheless.  The ultimate justice will be administered by The Judge of all judges ... The Judge who will not be mocked.  He knows every heart.

However ... if Aruba were to bow and return Natalee to her family ... maybe there could be measure of closure for her long suffering family.  John Silvetti, Kyle Kingman and Tim Trahan along with those ROV images could be the motivating force and ... there would be redemption to be gained in the process.
________

Mark 8:36
What benefit will it be to you if you gain the whole world but lose your own soul?



Natalee Holloway's Mother

"We cannot forget to demand and expect to have Natalee. Natalee deserves to return to her country. She deserves it, and everyone knows it, every single person. Every single person knows that. They know it."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8485029/


Natalee Holloway's Stepfather

"Beth and I have been through this emotional roller coaster. And all we want is Natalee, whether she's alive or dead.  We want to bring her back to the United States, and they can do whatever they want to do."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8551824/


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: San on September 05, 2010, 10:55:59 PM
To Natalee's Angels

::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::

Just a quick note to thank you and honor you all for holding the fort for these many years for precious Natalee and her dear Mother and Father.  No matter how many twists and turns occur, you persevere and see them as new possible opportunities for justice. You never give up hope!

You all qualify for halos in my book!   ::MonkeyAngel::

The people that we deal with in Aruba and elsewhere are soulless. Anything else that reveals itself is going to be a sheer miracle. I feel that Beth has found her peace with God's help finally. An answer to a multitude of prayers.

And to Klaas...THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING. You keep it all going. You're my hero.

Blessings,

Tricia


Thanks for the halo.  Most people would never think of giving me one.

In all seriousness thank you for your kind words.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: klaasend on September 05, 2010, 11:07:45 PM
To Natalee's Angels

::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::

Just a quick note to thank you and honor you all for holding the fort for these many years for precious Natalee and her dear Mother and Father.  No matter how many twists and turns occur, you persevere and see them as new possible opportunities for justice. You never give up hope!

You all qualify for halos in my book!   ::MonkeyAngel::

The people that we deal with in Aruba and elsewhere are soulless. Anything else that reveals itself is going to be a sheer miracle. I feel that Beth has found her peace with God's help finally. An answer to a multitude of prayers.

And to Klaas...THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING. You keep it all going. You're my hero.

Blessings,

Tricia



Thank you Agraria!

I remember June 2005 as if it were yesterday.  I remember in the beginning really believing that LE would do the right thing.  Certainly they could see the obvious that JK2 were lying.  Of course I was wrong.  Certainly they knew that no normal girl would think it was OK to have sex with 3 guys she didn't know.  Natalee would never do that, surely they could see.  They had to realize that would be rape right?  Not in Aruba.

I remember old Moderators and Admins back in the beginning that were playing games with posters.  The forum ended up closing down.  Records were lost.  

In October 2005, Red asked me if I would please become the Admin/Moderator of the forum.  Red said it couldn't reopen it unless he had someone he could trust.  I said, OK Red, I want Justice for Natalee and I'll manage the forum for you.  Natalee was too important to let all our work go away.  Surely I though, the case would be solved, Natalee would be found, by December 2005. Five years later I'm still here  ::MonkeyShocked::  Still holding out hope that someday there will be Justice for Natalee.

I'm sickened by the people who made excuses for and protected Joran.  When I realized that Joran killed Stephany on the 5 year anniversary I cried with anger.  

So yes, I will continue to fight for Justice for Natalee and Stephany until Joran is put away for life or his life is ended.  I'll enjoy it when the K2 dirt bags lose their case against Dr. Phil as well.  


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Magnolia on September 06, 2010, 12:00:16 AM
To Natalee's Angels

::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::

Just a quick note to thank you and honor you all for holding the fort for these many years for precious Natalee and her dear Mother and Father.  No matter how many twists and turns occur, you persevere and see them as new possible opportunities for justice. You never give up hope!

You all qualify for halos in my book!   ::MonkeyAngel::

The people that we deal with in Aruba and elsewhere are soulless. Anything else that reveals itself is going to be a sheer miracle. I feel that Beth has found her peace with God's help finally. An answer to a multitude of prayers.

And to Klaas...THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING. You keep it all going. You're my hero.

Blessings,

Tricia



Thank you Agraria!

I remember June 2005 as if it were yesterday.  I remember in the beginning really believing that LE would do the right thing.  Certainly they could see the obvious that JK2 were lying.  Of course I was wrong.  Certainly they knew that no normal girl would think it was OK to have sex with 3 guys she didn't know.  Natalee would never do that, surely they could see.  They had to realize that would be rape right?  Not in Aruba.

I remember old Moderators and Admins back in the beginning that were playing games with posters.  The forum ended up closing down.  Records were lost. 

In October 2005, Red asked me if I would please become the Admin/Moderator of the forum.  Red said it couldn't reopen it unless he had someone he could trust.  I said, OK Red, I want Justice for Natalee and I'll manage the forum for you.  Natalee was too important to let all our work go away.  Surely I though, the case would be solved, Natalee would be found, by December 2005. Five years later I'm still here  ::MonkeyShocked::  Still holding out hope that someday their will be Justice for Natalee.

I'm sickened by the people who made excuses for and protected Joran.  When I realized that Joran killed Stephany on the 5 year anniversary I cried with anger. 

So yes, I will continue to fight for Justice for Natalee and Stephany until Joran is put away for life or his life is ended.  I'll enjoy it when the K2 dirt bags lose their case against Dr. Phil as well. 



Thank you, Klaas!   You have been the pillar that held us all up.  You are my hero. ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Magnolia on September 06, 2010, 12:04:21 AM
I didn't mean "held us up" like a culprit, but like a strong support!! ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: klaasend on September 06, 2010, 12:07:00 AM
I didn't mean "held us up" like a culprit, but like a strong support!! ::MonkeyHaHa::

I heard rumors about you and Hudson in culprit cahoots  ::MonkeyBikeYorkie::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on September 06, 2010, 12:52:04 AM
I need to remind myself many times,that justice often comes,when no one is looking!


KEEPTHEFAITH



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on September 06, 2010, 12:53:37 AM
SCARED MONKEYS IS LIKE A FINE WINE.IT GETS BETTER WITH AGE!

::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on September 06, 2010, 12:59:01 AM
To Natalee's Angels

::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::

Just a quick note to thank you and honor you all for holding the fort for these many years for precious Natalee and her dear Mother and Father.  No matter how many twists and turns occur, you persevere and see them as new possible opportunities for justice. You never give up hope!

You all qualify for halos in my book!   ::MonkeyAngel::

The people that we deal with in Aruba and elsewhere are soulless. Anything else that reveals itself is going to be a sheer miracle. I feel that Beth has found her peace with God's help finally. An answer to a multitude of prayers.

And to Klaas...THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING. You keep it all going. You're my hero.

Blessings,

Tricia



Thank you Agraria!

I remember June 2005 as if it were yesterday.  I remember in the beginning really believing that LE would do the right thing.  Certainly they could see the obvious that JK2 were lying.  Of course I was wrong.  Certainly they knew that no normal girl would think it was OK to have sex with 3 guys she didn't know.  Natalee would never do that, surely they could see.  They had to realize that would be rape right?  Not in Aruba.

I remember old Moderators and Admins back in the beginning that were playing games with posters.  The forum ended up closing down.  Records were lost.  

In October 2005, Red asked me if I would please become the Admin/Moderator of the forum.  Red said it couldn't reopen it unless he had someone he could trust.  I said, OK Red, I want Justice for Natalee and I'll manage the forum for you.  Natalee was too important to let all our work go away.  Surely I though, the case would be solved, Natalee would be found, by December 2005. Five years later I'm still here  ::MonkeyShocked::  Still holding out hope that someday there will be Justice for Natalee.

I'm sickened by the people who made excuses for and protected Joran.  When I realized that Joran killed Stephany on the 5 year anniversary I cried with anger.  

So yes, I will continue to fight for Justice for Natalee and Stephany until Joran is put away for life or his life is ended.  I'll enjoy it when the K2 dirt bags lose their case against Dr. Phil as well.  

 :smt038 :smt038 :smt038 :smt038 :smt038 :smt038 :smt038 :smt055 :smt054


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Magnolia on September 06, 2010, 01:00:44 AM
I didn't mean "held us up" like a culprit, but like a strong support!! ::MonkeyHaHa::

I heard rumors about you and Hudson in culprit cahoots  ::MonkeyBikeYorkie::

It seems like the only answer with all the terrible things going on right now.

I am angry with all of the two faced lying people. ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Tibrogargan on September 06, 2010, 01:04:07 AM
Restraining order on Dutch TV crew fails

    * From: AAP
    * September 06, 2010 2:29PM

A PERTH man has failed in an attempt to have a restraining order slapped on a high-profile Dutch crime reporter and his colleagues, with the TV crew having left Australia.

Daniel Ian Ross appeared in Perth Magistrates Court today to apply for a violence restraining order on Dutch TV crime reporter Peter R de Vries and two colleagues.

Mr Ross claimed he had been harassed by the Dutch crew when they tried to talk to him at his home in the inner-city suburb of Subiaco last month.

Mr de Vries, 53, and Chantal van Schuylenburgh, 43, were arrested for disobeying a police move-on order, after trying to question Mr Ross about the violent death of a Dutch woman in Honduras in 2008.

Mr Ross, 31, told the court today the TV crew had since then "recommenced their harassment".

Magistrate Giuseppe Cicchini said the applications had been dismissed because Mr de Vries, Ms van Schuylenburgh and their colleague, reporter Kees van de Spek, had left Australia.

"You have to have the applications served on each of the respondents, and as they're not in Australia, it's fairly difficult for you to do that, I suspect," Mr Cicchini said.

"If you have reason in the future to make a future application, there's nothing stopping you from doing that."

Mr Ross conceded the applications could not be served if the TV crew were out of the country.

The TV crew had been trying to question Mr Ross about the death of Dutch woman Mariska Mast after she stayed at his apartment at a Honduras resort in 2008.

Ms Mast was taken to hospital with severe injuries and later died.

Interpol currently lists Daniel Ross as being wanted by Honduran authorities, but Australia has no extradition agreement with the central American country.

Australia also does not recognise Interpol notices as a basis for arrest.

Mr Ross has vehemently denied any involvement in Ms Mast's death, having previously said the allegations were misleading, incorrect and inaccurate.

In a statement from his lawyer in August, Mr Ross said he had been harassed, intimidated, humiliated and suffered an attack to his reputation and character.

The statement said Mr Ross was not a fugitive and had appeared in front of a judge in Honduras, where he believed all charges were dismissed and he was told he was free to leave the country.


http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/breaking-news/restraining-order-on-dutch-tv-crew-fails/story-e6freonf-1225914845438


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: texasmom on September 06, 2010, 01:06:36 AM
To Natalee's Angels

::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::

Just a quick note to thank you and honor you all for holding the fort for these many years for precious Natalee and her dear Mother and Father.  No matter how many twists and turns occur, you persevere and see them as new possible opportunities for justice. You never give up hope!

You all qualify for halos in my book!   ::MonkeyAngel::

The people that we deal with in Aruba and elsewhere are soulless. Anything else that reveals itself is going to be a sheer miracle. I feel that Beth has found her peace with God's help finally. An answer to a multitude of prayers.

And to Klaas...THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING. You keep it all going. You're my hero.

Blessings,

Tricia



Thank you Agraria!

I remember June 2005 as if it were yesterday.  I remember in the beginning really believing that LE would do the right thing.  Certainly they could see the obvious that JK2 were lying.  Of course I was wrong.  Certainly they knew that no normal girl would think it was OK to have sex with 3 guys she didn't know.  Natalee would never do that, surely they could see.  They had to realize that would be rape right?  Not in Aruba.

I remember old Moderators and Admins back in the beginning that were playing games with posters.  The forum ended up closing down.  Records were lost.  

In October 2005, Red asked me if I would please become the Admin/Moderator of the forum.  Red said it couldn't reopen it unless he had someone he could trust.  I said, OK Red, I want Justice for Natalee and I'll manage the forum for you.  Natalee was too important to let all our work go away.  Surely I though, the case would be solved, Natalee would be found, by December 2005. Five years later I'm still here  ::MonkeyShocked::  Still holding out hope that someday there will be Justice for Natalee.

I'm sickened by the people who made excuses for and protected Joran.  When I realized that Joran killed Stephany on the 5 year anniversary I cried with anger.  

So yes, I will continue to fight for Justice for Natalee and Stephany until Joran is put away for life or his life is ended.  I'll enjoy it when the K2 dirt bags lose their case against Dr. Phil as well.  

Klaas...You're my hero too.

I don't know how you do it, but I'm so glad you do. 

For Natalee, Stephany, their families; and all the missing. 

Thank you for all you do!   ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: klaasend on September 06, 2010, 01:06:50 AM
Hi Tibro - good to see you!  Thanks for the article on deVries  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: klaasend on September 06, 2010, 01:07:55 AM
I'm far from a hero but thank you guys anyway ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: texasmom on September 06, 2010, 01:08:45 AM
I didn't mean "held us up" like a culprit, but like a strong support!! ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on September 06, 2010, 01:09:42 AM
Thanks, Tib for that article.  Always good to see you here.  Hope all is well.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Tibrogargan on September 06, 2010, 01:19:04 AM
Hi Monkeys  ::MonkeyKiss::

I have had a few distractions in past two or three months but have managed to keep up to date reading in this thread.

Thank you to Klaas and all the mods for the work they do keeping this forum running.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: texasmom on September 06, 2010, 01:24:08 AM
To Natalee's Angels

::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::

Just a quick note to thank you and honor you all for holding the fort for these many years for precious Natalee and her dear Mother and Father.  No matter how many twists and turns occur, you persevere and see them as new possible opportunities for justice. You never give up hope!

You all qualify for halos in my book!   ::MonkeyAngel::

The people that we deal with in Aruba and elsewhere are soulless. Anything else that reveals itself is going to be a sheer miracle. I feel that Beth has found her peace with God's help finally. An answer to a multitude of prayers.

And to Klaas...THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING. You keep it all going. You're my hero.

Blessings,

Tricia


Thanks for the halo.  Most people would never think of giving me one.

In all seriousness thank you for your kind words.

Of course you get a halo too San!   ::MonkeyAngel::

Klaas couldn't possibly keep doing what she does here without a great group of mods to help her.

Sometimes that mean having her back too!  :smt066

You and the other mods do a great job of helping and backing her up, and I'm thankful for that.

If that halo has little horns that pop out occasionally...so be it!   ::MonkeyDevil::

::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: texasmom on September 06, 2010, 01:28:22 AM
I didn't mean "held us up" like a culprit, but like a strong support!! ::MonkeyHaHa::

I heard rumors about you and Hudson in culprit cahoots  ::MonkeyBikeYorkie::

It seems like the only answer with all the terrible things going on right now.

I am angry with all of the two faced lying people. ::MonkeyMad::

I know how you feel Magnolia, they make me so mad too!   ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: texasmom on September 06, 2010, 01:30:17 AM
Restraining order on Dutch TV crew fails

    * From: AAP
    * September 06, 2010 2:29PM

A PERTH man has failed in an attempt to have a restraining order slapped on a high-profile Dutch crime reporter and his colleagues, with the TV crew having left Australia.

Daniel Ian Ross appeared in Perth Magistrates Court today to apply for a violence restraining order on Dutch TV crime reporter Peter R de Vries and two colleagues.

Mr Ross claimed he had been harassed by the Dutch crew when they tried to talk to him at his home in the inner-city suburb of Subiaco last month.

Mr de Vries, 53, and Chantal van Schuylenburgh, 43, were arrested for disobeying a police move-on order, after trying to question Mr Ross about the violent death of a Dutch woman in Honduras in 2008.

Mr Ross, 31, told the court today the TV crew had since then "recommenced their harassment".

Magistrate Giuseppe Cicchini said the applications had been dismissed because Mr de Vries, Ms van Schuylenburgh and their colleague, reporter Kees van de Spek, had left Australia.

"You have to have the applications served on each of the respondents, and as they're not in Australia, it's fairly difficult for you to do that, I suspect," Mr Cicchini said.

"If you have reason in the future to make a future application, there's nothing stopping you from doing that."

Mr Ross conceded the applications could not be served if the TV crew were out of the country.

The TV crew had been trying to question Mr Ross about the death of Dutch woman Mariska Mast after she stayed at his apartment at a Honduras resort in 2008.

Ms Mast was taken to hospital with severe injuries and later died.

Interpol currently lists Daniel Ross as being wanted by Honduran authorities, but Australia has no extradition agreement with the central American country.

Australia also does not recognise Interpol notices as a basis for arrest.

Mr Ross has vehemently denied any involvement in Ms Mast's death, having previously said the allegations were misleading, incorrect and inaccurate.

In a statement from his lawyer in August, Mr Ross said he had been harassed, intimidated, humiliated and suffered an attack to his reputation and character.

The statement said Mr Ross was not a fugitive and had appeared in front of a judge in Honduras, where he believed all charges were dismissed and he was told he was free to leave the country.


http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/breaking-news/restraining-order-on-dutch-tv-crew-fails/story-e6freonf-1225914845438

Thanks Tibro!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: texasmom on September 06, 2010, 01:31:52 AM
Hi Monkeys  ::MonkeyKiss::

I have had a few distractions in past two or three months but have managed to keep up to date reading in this thread.

Thank you to Klaas and all the mods for the work they do keeping this forum running.

It's always good to see you Tibro!  Thanks for keeping us posted.   ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: texasmom on September 06, 2010, 01:35:07 AM
To Natalee's Angels

::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::

Just a quick note to thank you and honor you all for holding the fort for these many years for precious Natalee and her dear Mother and Father.  No matter how many twists and turns occur, you persevere and see them as new possible opportunities for justice. You never give up hope!

You all qualify for halos in my book!   ::MonkeyAngel::

The people that we deal with in Aruba and elsewhere are soulless. Anything else that reveals itself is going to be a sheer miracle. I feel that Beth has found her peace with God's help finally. An answer to a multitude of prayers.

And to Klaas...THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING. You keep it all going. You're my hero.

Blessings,

Tricia


Thanks for the halo.  Most people would never think of giving me one.

In all seriousness thank you for your kind words.

Of course you get a halo too San!   ::MonkeyAngel::

Klaas couldn't possibly keep doing what she does here without a great group of mods to help her.

Sometimes that means having her back too!  :smt066

You and the other mods do a great job of helping and backing her up, and I'm thankful for that.

If that halo has little horns that pop out occasionally...so be it!   ::MonkeyDevil::

::MonkeyKiss::


edit spelling  :oops:


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: texasmom on September 06, 2010, 01:58:44 AM
This may have already been posted.

http://www.rnw.nl/english/bulletin/joran-van-der-sloot-interviewed-prison

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/09032010_JoraninterviewedinCastroCastro.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: texasmom on September 06, 2010, 02:06:16 AM
Not that it really matters...but

Is it just me, and I missed it...or have they now changed what Anita said about not visiting Joran to...IF he's convicted? 

I don't recall that part being in the original interview.  Was there a second interview recently before the one with Joran that will be shown tomorrow?

http://www.aolnews.com/crime/article/van-der-sloot-investigators-pressured-me-to-confess/19528589

 ::monkeyscissors::


Meanwhile, van der Sloot's mother has told a Dutch news station that she will not visit her son behind bars.

"I want to keep [my] distance," Anita van der Sloot said in the interview, obtained by ABC News. "I think it will bring emotions up that I am not ready for right now."

She also said her connection with her son has been damaged by the murder allegations. "There is no relationship. There's no relationship anymore," she said.

 ::monkeyscissors::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: billb's daughter on September 06, 2010, 02:11:37 AM
At the end of the day, I always come to Scared Monkeys and Natalee's thread to see what is......
I, like all good Monkeys, are here to see Justice for Natalee..and now unfortunately Justice for Stephany....
Thank you Klaas for all you have done and do...
And Thank you Red for Natalee's thread.....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on September 06, 2010, 02:14:42 AM
At the end of the day, I always come to Scared Monkeys and Natalee's thread to see what is......
I, like all good Monkeys, are here to see Justice for Natalee..and now unfortunately Justice for Stephany....
Thank you Klaas for all you have done and do...
And Thank you Red for Natalee's thread.....
Good Evening Billb. ::HelloKitty::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: texasmom on September 06, 2010, 02:32:22 AM
Five year old child is in intensive care and on a respirator after near drowning today in a pool at Costa Linda Beach Resort.  From my understanding the mother of the child was so upset she passed out and had to be taken in for treatment too.  More tests will be needed to see if the child has brain damage.

http://www.24ora.com/policial-mainmenu-8/21619-turista-venezolano-a-guli-hopi-awa-den-piscina.html

tourist venezolano owing to guli quite water in piscina

monday, 06 september 2010 01:27

diadomingo afternoon owing to send ambulance cu urgencia before costa linda beach resort before one possible caso by hogamento (drowning). eynan paramediconan owing to encounter cu one father doctor cu is luchando cu her yui muher by barely 5 year cu owing to guli quite water in piscina. owing to transporta the criatura by nacionalidad venezolano cu urgencia before hospitaal at where cu owing to follow give cpr. the mam not can owing to contene her emocionnan hour cu owing to arrive policlinica y owing to lose conocemento before cual motibo have to owing to brinda the mam also first help. at hospitaal the victima is interna in cuido intensivo ricibiendo respiracion artificial. mayan will haci more test cu ne before see if the will owing to abide damage celebral.

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http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=4428&offId=0&offDate=2010-9

4 hora happen | fecha: 05/09/2010 | horario: 22:24

child tourist by 5 aÑa owing to hera hoga in pool by hotel

diadomingo afternoon, without notificacion by police, owing to come into informe at ambulance before busca one child cu will owing to hoga in pool at costa linda beach hotel. cu maximo urgencia the child here, owing to being bring hospital dr. horacio the. oduber, where by acuerdo cu we informacion esnan in cuido medico owing to work intensivamente cu the child, y so owing to recupera her pulso. but her situation owing to remain delicado y owing to intern’e in cuido intensivo. manner we owing to being informa, her situation is remain delicado. after police owing to attain know by the incidente here, before cual owing to send patrol by strand-politie before busca all informacion y also owing to send the are by asistencia before aid the family cu is in one trauma pisa. more informacion we not owing to attain by the caso here, sperando cu god scapa life by the child here. at night first cu close we edicion owing to come into the next comunicado by vocero policial. on peticion by several medio by prensa encuanto the caso by hogamento at costa linda but at first instant police not owing to being notifica by the caso here. for by pr by hospital can owing to hear cu more or less 5.30 pm cu the child by 5 year cu will owing to hoga at costa linda is keto bay in revalidatie y cu her condicion is quite bad. they're teme before her life. the name by the victima ta: camila suarez venezuela 3-2-2005 hospedando at costa linda pr by hospitaal owing to say cu the child owing to remain in cuido intensivo y is teniendo the at life artificialmente via the respirator. according doctor monday morning they're bay do more test before look at if her condicion is reversible. laganos ask god for her criatura y before her family. according informacion they're think cu the criatura owing to remain more or less 15 minuut baow water y the was abide by hypothermia. this is all the informacion cu have till at the instant here.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Magnolia on September 06, 2010, 02:58:11 AM
Not that it really matters...but

Is it just me, and I missed it...or have they now changed what Anita said about not visiting Joran to...IF he's convicted? 

I don't recall that part being in the original interview.  Was there a second interview recently before the one with Joran that will be shown tomorrow?

http://www.aolnews.com/crime/article/van-der-sloot-investigators-pressured-me-to-confess/19528589

 ::monkeyscissors::


Meanwhile, van der Sloot's mother has told a Dutch news station that she will not visit her son behind bars.

"I want to keep [my] distance," Anita van der Sloot said in the interview, obtained by ABC News. "I think it will bring emotions up that I am not ready for right now."

She also said her connection with her son has been damaged by the murder allegations. "There is no relationship. There's no relationship anymore," she said.

 ::monkeyscissors::




I think she said something similiar in the interview that was half English and half Dutch.

I figure the interview has been interpreted many times and sometimes somebody adds a little
something or interprets it a little differently than the previous version.

To my recollection, she said that if he was guilty she would not visit.  That was before his confession.
I guess now it is changed to if he is convicted to fit the current charge.

She's not going to Peru, in any case, in my opinion......too busy partying.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: billb's daughter on September 06, 2010, 03:32:36 AM
At the end of the day, I always come to Scared Monkeys and Natalee's thread to see what is......
I, like all good Monkeys, are here to see Justice for Natalee..and now unfortunately Justice for Stephany....
Thank you Klaas for all you have done and do...
And Thank you Red for Natalee's thread.....
Good Evening Billb. ::HelloKitty::
Good evening to you too Keepthefaith...
Sorry I missed you...internet problems at my end......
Justice for Natalee and Stephany...is just around the corner..... ::MonkeyAngel::
urine...rotting in Castro Castro......priceless...... ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: texasmom on September 06, 2010, 03:44:56 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_Grad00o9.jpg)[


(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/StephanyFlores_takentoosoon-1.jpg)





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Buckeye on September 06, 2010, 06:28:38 AM
More from Pronkjewail at RU:

There is a (part of the)video of the Joran-interview

Joran says that he is treated well in prison. He helps some of the guards with learning english. They come to his cell every 3 days where he helps them with their lessons.

He calls his mom once a week. He understands that she is suffering because of him and feels bad that she is being harrassed again. He doesnt talk to his brothers; they refuse to talk to him. He says that especially the middle brother is probably mad at him.

Joran admitted the extortion of Natalees parents. He admits to letting them pay for information about the whereabouts of Natalees body and then giving them a wrong adress.

He says that he did it to "get back at Natalees parents"; "Her parents have been making my life difficult for the last 5 years. When they offered me to pay for the location of the body, I thought "why not?". I regret that now. "

The confession is recorded on tape.

Joran expects to be in prison in Peru for a long time. According to this article he doesnt deny the killing of Stephany, but doesnt talk about what happened. He wants to save that for the judge.
.

http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/7566410/__Joran_wilde_familie_Holloway_een_hak_zetten__.html?p=5,1

Edit; I just saw an interview with Van den Heuvel from this morning; the article above says that Joran doesnt deny the SF-murder but in the interview VDH says that he doesnt talk about it. So not-denying does not equal confessing!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Jonathan45 on September 06, 2010, 07:15:33 AM
Has this website: http://www.prisonersinperu.nl been discussed on the forum ?
Anita Hugen-van der Sloot is involved.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Buckeye on September 06, 2010, 07:49:58 AM
Has this website: http://www.prisonersinperu.nl been discussed on the forum ?
Anita Hugen-van der Sloot is involved.

I hadn't seen that.  Quite interesting.  One of the links is to a petition, to have him serve his time, in the Netherlands. Interesting group of names, including Rene Gielen.

http://petities.nl/petitie/joran-van-der-sloot


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Buckeye on September 06, 2010, 08:00:45 AM
Has this website: http://www.prisonersinperu.nl been discussed on the forum ?
Anita Hugen-van der Sloot is involved.


A comment, on one of the links, states that Anita started the website.   ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: San on September 06, 2010, 08:10:46 AM
Report: Van der Sloot Admits Extorting Money From Holloways

Published September 06, 2010
Associated Press


http://tinyurl.com/26pr3nw

AMSTERDAM -- The Dutchman charged with killing a 21-year-old Peruvian woman and suspected in the disappearance of U.S. teenager Natalee Holloway  has acknowledged extorting money from Holloway's parents and says he did it to get back at them, according to an interview published Monday.

The Dutch newspaper De Telegraaf quoted Joran van der Sloot as confessing to taking money from the family of the teenager in return for revealing the location of her body. He was indicted in the U.S. in June for extortion after being caught in an FBI sting, though the place he indicated as her burial site site turned out to be bogus.

Holloway was last seen alive with him on the Caribbean resort island of Aruba in 2005, and he has publicly said he killed her and then retracted his confession several times.

"I wanted to get back at Natalee's family -- her parents have been making my life tough for five years," the paper quoted him as saying from prison in Peru. "When they offered to pay for the girl's location, I thought: 'Why not'?"

U.S. prosecutors say that in the sting earlier this year, Natalee's mother sent $10,000 in cash to Van der Sloot through an FBI witness, and a wire transfer of $15,000 to Van der Sloot's bank account in the Netherlands. He took the money and flew to Latin America.

He has been charged with killing Stephany Flores in his hotel room in Lima, Peru on May 30 -- 5 years to the day after Holloway's disappearance. He met both women in casinos.

Van der Sloot initially confessed to killing Flores to Peruvian police, but later said he only did so because he was intimidated and had been promised he would be extradited to the Netherlands.

His requests to have the confession retracted have so far been denied and he awaits trial.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: San on September 06, 2010, 08:22:55 AM
Has this website: http://www.prisonersinperu.nl been discussed on the forum ?
Anita Hugen-van der Sloot is involved.


A comment, on one of the links, states that Anita started the website.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

This woman has no shame. Of course she wants him to serve his time in the Netherlands.  Once he gets there they will release him.  They will come up with some stupid law and say Joran went to therapy and according to our system we don't recognize other countries laws when it comes out our Dutch citizens so he is free to go.

Did I see a link where they are asking to donate money.

No need to donate money because Anita has money and she also has people backing her.  This is just a shell so she can hide that fact.  What is Anita hiding.  She is hiding a boat load.  JMO


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Buckeye on September 06, 2010, 08:26:43 AM
The apple doesn't fall far from the tree.

Natalee and then her parents have caused all his troubles.  The scenario reinforced by his mother and friends.

The crying, devastated mother, who won't visit him, is too busy accepting donations and petitioners, to travel.  He learned his lying, manipulating ways from the master. Too bad one of the Dutch journalists doesn't ask real questions.

Neither has remorse. Neither is responsible.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Jonathan45 on September 06, 2010, 08:41:27 AM
Not only Rene Gielen signed the petition, but also 3 members of the Maessen family. So it wouldn't surprise me the blond girl who is visiting Joran in prison is, as Joran stated himself ' my girlfriend' is Fabienne Maessen. She is now is a exchange student, residing in Sao Paulo, Latin America.
The donations makes it possible for her to fly to Lima.

FEA USP

http://www.usp.br/fea/conteudo.php?i=73&a=3&idpais=84


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: San on September 06, 2010, 08:43:13 AM
The apple doesn't fall far from the tree.

Natalee and then her parents have caused all his troubles.  The scenario reinforced by his mother and friends.

The crying, devastated mother, who won't visit him, is too busy accepting donations and petitioners, to travel.  He learned his lying, manipulating ways from the master. Too bad one of the Dutch journalists doesn't ask real questions.

Neither has remorse. Neither is responsible.


I always thought it was Paulus that was the evil one.  Well Anita just moved ahead of him.  She doesn't have a conscience.  It's too bad she doesn't end up the same way her husband did.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: San on September 06, 2010, 08:46:49 AM
Not only Rene Gielen signed the petition, but also 3 members of the Maessen family. So it wouldn't surprise me the blond girl who is visiting Joran in prison is, as Joran stated himself ' my girlfriend' is Fabienne Maessen. She is now is a exchange student, residing in Sao Paulo, Latin America.
The donations makes it possible for her to fly to Lima.

FEA USP

http://www.usp.br/fea/conteudo.php?i=73&a=3&idpais=84


This girl was always weird.  I can see it being her.  I forget which site it was but after seeing who she had listed as her friends nothing would surprise me.  In fact after we discovered her page she quickly made it private.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: San on September 06, 2010, 08:58:30 AM
Let's just say that Joran gets seven years for the murder of Stephany Flores and when it is time for him to be released where does he go.  Do they send him to the Netherlands or do they send him to the United States where they are waiting for him on his extortion case.

What idiot would admit to this.  Does he think that when he gets out and they bring him here to face the charges against him that he is going to say I was lying.  They have this idiot hook line and sinker even without that confession.  Or does he think that he will serve his time and he will go home and once again he will thumb his nose at the FBI.

And one more thing.  Stop this family from entering the United States once and for all.  ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Jonathan45 on September 06, 2010, 09:24:12 AM
And it wouldn't surprise me Fabienne Maessen maybe has chosen Universidad de Pacifico in Lima. Also a SBE partner of her business school Maastricht. Joran needs her. That's for sure.


http://www.maastrichtuniversity.nl/web/Faculties/SBE/TargetGroup/ProspectiveStudents/ExchangeProgramme1/PartnerUniversitiesAndBusinessSchool.htm


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Buckeye on September 06, 2010, 09:32:12 AM
The only reason that I can think of, for Anita not to pursued Joran to tell the truth to her, and give some peace to the Holloways, is that she knows the truth. She needs to help Joran because of the family lie (he had help from her, PVDS and/ or Val).  She needs to make him happy.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: San on September 06, 2010, 09:35:43 AM
The only reason that I can think of, for Anita not to pursued Joran to tell the truth to her, and give some peace to the Holloways, is that she knows the truth. She needs to help Joran because of the family lie (he had help from her, PVDS and/ or Val).  She needs to make him happy.

I agree.

Plus I believe that Natalee died in her home.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Buckeye on September 06, 2010, 09:36:53 AM
The only reason that I can think of, for Anita not to pursued Joran to tell the truth to her, and give some peace to the Holloways, is that she knows the truth. She needs to help Joran because of the family lie (he had help from her, PVDS and/ or Val).  She needs to make him happy.

I agree.

Plus I believe that Natalee died in her home.

 :smt045 :smt045


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: klaasend on September 06, 2010, 09:47:35 AM
Petition linked to this site:

http://joranisonschuldig.blogspot.com/

Translated link:

http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fjoranisonschuldig.blogspot.com%2F&sl=nl&tl=en&hl=&ie=UTF-8 (http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fjoranisonschuldig.blogspot.com%2F&sl=nl&tl=en&hl=&ie=UTF-8)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/JoranBlogPrison.jpg)



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: klaasend on September 06, 2010, 09:54:11 AM
Ruben Poppelaars - creater of the blog, starter of the petition:

This him?

http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fbondtehond.blogspot.com%2F2010%2F03%2Fpoppelaars-de-jongh-adviesbureau-gat-in.html&sl=nl&tl=en&hl=&ie=UTF-8

http://www.crimesite.nl/misdaad/advocaten/16410-poppelaars-a-de-jongh-forensic-consultancy.html



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Ono on September 06, 2010, 09:55:51 AM
:smt022

Am so far behind in reading ... but thanks for posting.     ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Ono on September 06, 2010, 09:56:49 AM
:smt022

Am so far behind in reading ... but thanks for posting.     ::MonkeyAngel::

[ The article from Glamour  ]


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on September 06, 2010, 10:05:21 AM

holy crap..........big time!  :smt089


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: MuffyBee on September 06, 2010, 10:09:47 AM
Petition linked to this site:

http://joranisonschuldig.blogspot.com/

Translated link:

http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fjoranisonschuldig.blogspot.com%2F&sl=nl&tl=en&hl=&ie=UTF-8 (http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fjoranisonschuldig.blogspot.com%2F&sl=nl&tl=en&hl=&ie=UTF-8)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/JoranBlogPrison.jpg)




Warning:  Rant alert!!  


The second Joran set foot in Peru, he became subject to the laws in Peru.  The crime was committed in Peru against a Peruvian citizen.  Let Joran be tried, sentenced and serve his time in Peru.  AND he is accused of the murder of a young, defenseless woman. What are the other Dutch citizens accused of?  Drugs?  Joran's crime was murder!

There is nothing that should give Joran Van der Sloot any special privileges.  He's not done anything that should be rewarded.  He's done no work in philanthropy I can see, he's not been any kind of ambassador of peace, not spoken out for the down trodden such as women's rights or abused children and etc.  So why should Joran be treated any better than others?  I think it's about money.  The smell of money is in the air.  In my opinion, there are those with money and they are greasing the wheels with it.  The prospect of a juicy news story is worth a lot of money.  And of course, there's influence.  Why would anyone use any of their money or influence to help this murdering punk, social misfit, deviant (and etc. etc.)?

Joran, suck it up and be a man for once in your life.  Face up to your crime and serve your time.  Anita, cut those apron strings, he isn't a kid anymore.  Anita's been an enabler for years and years, and has aided and abetted Joran.  She's still pulling strings and calling in favors but this time from afar.  I know many felt like it was Paulus, but I truly feel like it is and has been Anita in the background all this time manipulating.  Paulus was just a puppet for her use.  Anita is a sorry excuse for a mother.  I don't know why or how she is still in any kind of position to teach students.  I would never have let this woman be a teacher to one of my children.  Maybe she has managed to secure her position as a teacher in title, but as far as being someone I would want to mentor  children, no way!  There are reasons Anita isn't going to Peru, and I don't think it's money.  What is it?  I'd surely like to know?  Is she just two faced by saying she won't go to Peru to visit him, yet starts websites for his support and pays money toward his car, yet says she doesn't have a relationship with him anymore?  Maybe Anita doesn't go to Peru because the crowds will throw rotted vegetables at her!  It won't be like the time she went to NY, got in the limo and was in the hotel and etc.  The crowds in Peru will go after her!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: klaasend on September 06, 2010, 10:24:52 AM
http://www.cbs42.com/mostpopular/story/Will-confession-hurt-van-der-Sloot/YxRUwr4fbkOqPVgAHp4EZQ.cspx (http://www.cbs42.com/mostpopular/story/Will-confession-hurt-van-der-Sloot/YxRUwr4fbkOqPVgAHp4EZQ.cspx)


Will "confession" hurt van der Sloot?


Last Update: 6:52 am

"When they offered to pay for the girl's location, I thought: 'Why not'?"
Birmingham, Al (WIAT) Has Joran van der Sloot finally told one story too many?  Will his comments to Dutch crime reporter John van den Heuvel help federal authorities here in Birmingham bring him to the U.S. to face wire fraud and extortion charges?

In a prison cell interview to be aired tonight on Dutch TV, van der Sloot admits he took money from Natalee Holloway's family after promising information about the Mountain Brook teenagers disappearance on a graduation trip to Aruba.

"I wanted to get back at Natalee's family - her parents have been making my life tough for five years," the paper De Telegraaf quoted him as saying from prison in Peru. "When they offered to pay for the girl's location, I thought: 'Why not'?"

U.S. prosecutors say that in the sting earlier this year, Natalee's mother sent $10,000 in cash to Van der Sloot through an FBI witness, and a wire transfer of $15,000 to Van der Sloot's bank account in the Netherlands. He took the money and flew to Latin America.  He met Peruvian student Stephany Flores in a Lima, Peru casino.  Her corpse was later found in his hotel room.

Van der Sloot stated that he and his father buried Natalee’s body underneath the foundations of a house in Oranjestad, the capital of Aruba. However, the body was never found. An FBI investigation showed construction of the house in question had not even started yet in 2005 when Natalee disappeared.

He's facing murder charges in Stephany Flores death and Peruvian police have a confession. Van der Sloot claims that confession was coerced and is trying to get it thrown out.  That's where the "confession" to extortion comes into play.  If, and it's considered a long shot, a three judge Peruvian panel throws out his confession, willl the U.S. extradition request get more consideration from Peruvian officials?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: San on September 06, 2010, 10:26:22 AM
Petition linked to this site:

http://joranisonschuldig.blogspot.com/

Translated link:

http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fjoranisonschuldig.blogspot.com%2F&sl=nl&tl=en&hl=&ie=UTF-8 (http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fjoranisonschuldig.blogspot.com%2F&sl=nl&tl=en&hl=&ie=UTF-8)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/JoranBlogPrison.jpg)




Warning:  Rant alert!!  


The second Joran set foot in Peru, he became subject to the laws in Peru.  The crime was committed in Peru against a Peruvian citizen.  Let Joran be tried, sentenced and serve his time in Peru.  AND he is accused of the murder of a young, defenseless woman. What are the other Dutch citizens accused of?  Drugs?  Joran's crime was murder!

There is nothing that should give Joran Van der Sloot any special privileges.  He's not done anything that should be rewarded.  He's done no work in philanthropy I can see, he's not been any kind of ambassador of peace, not spoken out for the down trodden such as women's rights or abused children and etc.  So why should Joran be treated any better than others?  I think it's about money.  The smell of money is in the air.  In my opinion, there are those with money and they are greasing the wheels with it.  The prospect of a juicy news story is worth a lot of money.  And of course, there's influence.  Why would anyone use any of their money or influence to help this murdering punk, social misfit, deviant (and etc. etc.)?

Joran, suck it up and be a man for once in your life.  Face up to your crime and serve your time.  Anita, cut those apron strings, he isn't a kid anymore.  Anita's been an enabler for years and years, and has aided and abetted Joran.  She's still pulling strings and calling in favors but this time from afar.  I know many felt like it was Paulus, but I truly feel like it is and has been Anita in the background all this time manipulating.  Paulus was just a puppet for her use.  Anita is a sorry excuse for a mother.  I don't know why or how she is still in any kind of position to teach students.  I would never have let this woman be a teacher to one of my children.  Maybe she has managed to secure her position as a teacher in title, but as far as being someone I would want to mentor  children, no way!  There are reasons Anita isn't going to Peru, and I don't think it's money.  What is it?  I'd surely like to know?  Is she just two faced by saying she won't go to Peru to visit him, yet starts websites for his support and pays money toward his car, yet says she doesn't have a relationship with him anymore?  Maybe Anita doesn't go to Peru because the crowds will throw rotted vegetables at her!  It won't be like the time she went to NY, got in the limo and was in the hotel and etc.  The crowds in Peru will go after her!!

I agree Muffy.  Rant away.

Anita won't go to a country where she doesn't have control.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on September 06, 2010, 10:29:02 AM
 ::bananadance::

(http://www.bucuticam.com/album2/Images/248.zoom3.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Ono on September 06, 2010, 10:42:16 AM
The only reason that I can think of, for Anita not to pursued Joran to tell the truth to her, and give some peace to the Holloways, is that she knows the truth. She needs to help Joran because of the family lie (he had help from her, PVDS and/ or Val).  She needs to make him happy.

I agree.

Plus I believe that Natalee died in her home.

I still believe that too San.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: klaasend on September 06, 2010, 10:44:44 AM
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=pt&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.usp.br%2Ffea%2Fconteudo.php%3Fi%3D73%26a%3D3%26idpais%3D84 (http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=pt&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.usp.br%2Ffea%2Fconteudo.php%3Fi%3D73%26a%3D3%26idpais%3D84)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/FEMaessenBrazil.jpg)

She could easily be flying to Peru once a week



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Buckeye on September 06, 2010, 11:06:07 AM
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=pt&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.usp.br%2Ffea%2Fconteudo.php%3Fi%3D73%26a%3D3%26idpais%3D84 (http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=pt&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.usp.br%2Ffea%2Fconteudo.php%3Fi%3D73%26a%3D3%26idpais%3D84)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/FEMaessenBrazil.jpg)

She could easily be flying to Peru once a week



Her school facebook page had her leaving San Paulo, for Amsterdam, in August.   :smt102


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Buckeye on September 06, 2010, 11:07:27 AM
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=pt&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.usp.br%2Ffea%2Fconteudo.php%3Fi%3D73%26a%3D3%26idpais%3D84 (http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=pt&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.usp.br%2Ffea%2Fconteudo.php%3Fi%3D73%26a%3D3%26idpais%3D84)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/FEMaessenBrazil.jpg)

She could easily be flying to Peru once a week



Her school facebook page had her leaving San Paulo, for Amsterdam, in August.   :smt102


http://fabienneinbrazil.waarbenjij.nu/?page=profile


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Buckeye on September 06, 2010, 11:15:45 AM
Perhaps NBC could question the Dutch journalist about the donation page.  If he doesn't know, perhaps he could call Anita, on air, and hear her explanation.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: klaasend on September 06, 2010, 11:17:05 AM
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=pt&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.usp.br%2Ffea%2Fconteudo.php%3Fi%3D73%26a%3D3%26idpais%3D84 (http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=pt&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.usp.br%2Ffea%2Fconteudo.php%3Fi%3D73%26a%3D3%26idpais%3D84)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/FEMaessenBrazil.jpg)

She could easily be flying to Peru once a week



Her school facebook page had her leaving San Paulo, for Amsterdam, in August.   :smt102


http://fabienneinbrazil.waarbenjij.nu/?page=profile

From her photos at the above link (thanks Buckeye).  Almost looks like Joran in this pool:


http://fabienneinbrazil.waarbenjij.nu/?page=pictures&intTravelId=225469 (http://fabienneinbrazil.waarbenjij.nu/?page=pictures&intTravelId=225469)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/FEMaessenBrazilPool.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/FeMaessenBrazilpic1.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Buckeye on September 06, 2010, 11:19:44 AM
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=pt&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.usp.br%2Ffea%2Fconteudo.php%3Fi%3D73%26a%3D3%26idpais%3D84 (http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=pt&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.usp.br%2Ffea%2Fconteudo.php%3Fi%3D73%26a%3D3%26idpais%3D84)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/FEMaessenBrazil.jpg)

She could easily be flying to Peru once a week



Her school facebook page had her leaving San Paulo, for Amsterdam, in August.   :smt102


http://fabienneinbrazil.waarbenjij.nu/?page=profile

From her photos at the above link (thanks Buckeye).  Almost looks like Joran in this pool:


http://fabienneinbrazil.waarbenjij.nu/?page=pictures&intTravelId=225469 (http://fabienneinbrazil.waarbenjij.nu/?page=pictures&intTravelId=225469)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/FEMaessenBrazilPool.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/FeMaessenBrazilpic1.jpg)


I thought the same thing.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: klaasend on September 06, 2010, 11:19:54 AM
On closer look I don't think it's Joran.  At first I was wondering if Joran had visited her in his South American travel but I don't believe this is Joran.  Better looking than Joran, IMO:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/BrazilNotJoran.jpg)

If the photo isn't showing it's because photobucket is having a glitch this morning  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Buckeye on September 06, 2010, 11:21:47 AM
Perhaps NBC could question the Dutch journalist about the donation page.  If he doesn't know, perhaps he could call Anita, on air, and hear her explanation.


At least NBC would not be just promoting their agenda.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Buckeye on September 06, 2010, 11:22:42 AM
On closer look I don't think it's Joran.  At first I was wondering if Joran had visited her in his South American travel but I don't believe this is Joran.  Better looking than Joran, IMO:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/BrazilNotJoran.jpg)

If the photo isn't showing it's because photobucket is having a glitch this morning  ::MonkeyCool::


and ears not quite so Dumboish.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: klaasend on September 06, 2010, 11:35:06 AM
Has this website: http://www.prisonersinperu.nl been discussed on the forum ?
Anita Hugen-van der Sloot is involved.

I hadn't seen that.  Quite interesting.  One of the links is to a petition, to have him serve his time, in the Netherlands. Interesting group of names, including Rene Gielen.

http://petities.nl/petitie/joran-van-der-sloot

This blonde signed the petition as well.  Claims to be in Aruba:

http://www.facebook.com/people/Claudie-Wegdam/804712592#!/profile.php?id=804712592

(http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/profile-ak-snc1/v223/48/69/n804712592_3536.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: klaasend on September 06, 2010, 11:45:03 AM
Another on the petition that claims to be in the NL:

Christella Moors

http://www.facebook.com/MissVerstand

(http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/profile-ak-snc1/v230/24/82/n734994827_4674.jpg)



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: klaasend on September 06, 2010, 11:48:18 AM
Another blonde from the pettition:  

Marlies Beerman (Veerman?)


http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=641326976&ref=search (http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=641326976&ref=search)

(http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/profile-ak-snc1/v227/1533/2/n641326976_429.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: texasmom on September 06, 2010, 12:02:51 PM
http://www.prisonersinperu.nl

From the bottom of the page...

Developed by G. Simkanic

From the petition:

http://petities.nl/petitie/joran-van-der-sloot

G. Simkanic Amsterdam 2 months ago

from Google search...

http://www.kingscasino.nl/pdf/brochure.pdf

 ::monkeyscissors:: from the brochure...

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Van%20der%20Sloot/HELP%20JORAN%20WEBSITE/KingsCasinoEquip1.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Van%20der%20Sloot/HELP%20JORAN%20WEBSITE/KingsCasinoEquip2.jpg)

Google translation:

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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: klaasend on September 06, 2010, 12:04:37 PM
Another one of the BIMBOS that signed the pettition:

Mallary Ashton

http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=1801468660&ref=search (http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=1801468660&ref=search)
(http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/hs472.snc4/49631_1801468660_3069_n.jpg)

Her facebook groups:

   
RollingTimes.org, Boycott BP, CNN, www.HunterThompsonFilms.com, Stephany Flores Ramirez and Joran Van der Sloot Case, YES, I would leave a casino with Joran Van Der Sloot., Lima, Peru, Hollywood, CA, Navarre Beach, Florida, Joran van der Sloot, James Franco, Love It!, AGGIES 4 LIFE, Corinth Paranormal Research (CPR), when you start to miss me just remember you let me go, MadGab's Bakery, CHANNING TATUM <3


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: klaasend on September 06, 2010, 12:13:56 PM
Another one of the BIMBOS that signed the pettition:

Mallary Ashton


http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=1801468660&ref=search (http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=1801468660&ref=search)
(http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/hs472.snc4/49631_1801468660_3069_n.jpg)

Her facebook groups:


   
RollingTimes.org, Boycott BP, CNN, www.HunterThompsonFilms.com, Stephany Flores Ramirez and Joran Van der Sloot Case, YES, I would leave a casino with Joran Van Der Sloot., Lima, Peru, Hollywood, CA, Navarre Beach, Florida, Joran van der Sloot, James Franco, Love It!, AGGIES 4 LIFE, Corinth Paranormal Research (CPR), when you start to miss me just remember you let me go, MadGab's Bakery, CHANNING TATUM <3

One of her friends:


http://www.facebook.com/search/?flt=1&q=wendy+martens&o=2048&s=10#!/profile.php?id=100001241254307&ref=sgm (http://www.facebook.com/search/?flt=1&q=wendy+martens&o=2048&s=10#!/profile.php?id=100001241254307&ref=sgm)

(http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-sf2p/hs621.snc3/27351_100001241254307_8357_n.jpg)

Joran SLander LawSuit


I'm going through the friends on the Joran Slander facebook now  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: MuffyBee on September 06, 2010, 12:15:34 PM
Another one of the BIMBOS that signed the pettition:

Mallary Ashton

http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=1801468660&ref=search (http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=1801468660&ref=search)
(http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/hs472.snc4/49631_1801468660_3069_n.jpg)

Her facebook groups:

   
RollingTimes.org, Boycott BP, CNN, www.HunterThompsonFilms.com, Stephany Flores Ramirez and Joran Van der Sloot Case, YES, I would leave a casino with Joran Van Der Sloot., Lima, Peru, Hollywood, CA, Navarre Beach, Florida, Joran van der Sloot, James Franco, Love It!, AGGIES 4 LIFE, Corinth Paranormal Research (CPR), when you start to miss me just remember you let me go, MadGab's Bakery, CHANNING TATUM <3

(Bolded by me)

AGGIES 4 LIFE -Aligning herself with Texas A & M University?

http://studentactivities.tamu.edu/online/organization/OTU3MjMw/profile


http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=2203319001
Aggies For Life! is on FacebookSign up for Facebook to connect with Aggies For Life!
Basic Info
 

Name:
    Aggies For Life!
Category:
    Student Groups - Religious Groups
Description:
    Aggies For Life! is a new organization here on campus. It is a non-denominational group that sets out to educate, counsel, and provide support in any way to women who are thinking about or have already had an abortion. We are strictly a PRO-LIFE organization. We are here to help women and men with the road that lies ahead of them; we want to educate them about the abortiion process, the risks abortion involves, and its' after-affects. So if this sounds like an organization you'd like to be involved with, please join our group...WE WOULD LOVE TO HAVE YOU JOIN OUR TEAM OF PRO-LIFE ADVOCATES!!! (read less)
    Aggies For Life! is a new organization here on campus. It is a non-denominational group that sets out to educate, counsel, and provide support in any way to women who are thinking about or have already had an abortion. We are strictly a PRO-LIFE organization. We are here to help women and men with the road that lies ahead of them; we want to educate them about the abortiion process, the risks abortion involves, and its' after-affects. So if this sounds like an organization you'd like to be... (read more)
Privacy Type:
    Open: All content is public to the Cameron network.


http://www.facebook.com/pages/AGGIES-4-LIFE/408032460467
AGGIES 4 LIFE is on FacebookSign up for Facebook to connect with AGGIES 4 LIFE.
This page is created by an Aggie for an Aggie.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: klaasend on September 06, 2010, 12:21:30 PM
We should go through the fan club facebook members as well:

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=45811787157&v=wall&viewas=0 (http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=45811787157&v=wall&viewas=0)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 06, 2010, 12:32:44 PM
Not only Rene Gielen signed the petition, but also 3 members of the Maessen family. So it wouldn't surprise me the blond girl who is visiting Joran in prison is, as Joran stated himself ' my girlfriend' is Fabienne Maessen. She is now is a exchange student, residing in Sao Paulo, Latin America.
The donations makes it possible for her to fly to Lima.

FEA USP

http://www.usp.br/fea/conteudo.php?i=73&a=3&idpais=84


Joran Van der Sloot’s Poolside/Beach Mystery Blonde Identified - FABIENNE MASSAEN
Posted August 19, 2006 by Scared Monkeys


http://scaredmonkeys.com/2006/08/19/joran-van-der-sloots-poolsidebeach-mystery-blonde-identified-fabienne-massaen/


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 06, 2010, 12:34:58 PM
THE BLONDE VISITOR?

June 29, 2010

CRIME: Joran Van Der Sloot Visited In Jail By Mystery Woman Twice A Week
Posted on Jun 29, 2010 @ 10:00AM
 

Suspected murderer Joran van der Sloot has been receiving visits at his Peruvian jail from a mystery woman twice a week, RadarOnline.com has learned.

Van der Sloot, who is accused of murdering Peruvian citizen Stephany Flores Ramirez, has been seeing the woman on Wednesday and Saturdays each week.

EXCLUSIVE CRIME SCENE PHOTOS: Joran’s Bloody Shirt & Inside The Murder Room

Van der Sloot confessed to the murder but later retracted his confession.

Sources in Peru believe the mystery visitor has been sent by Joran’s mother, Anita to check-up on her son, who is also a suspect in the Natalee Holloway disappearance.

PHOTOS: Van der Sloot With Victim Hours Before Her Murder

The Dutch national is still refusing to leave his cell to go out on the patio for walks but has finally started to eat the same food as the other inmates.

But Van der Sloot’s request for a curtain for his cell has been denied by prison authorities because he is under surveillance 24 hours a day.

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2010/06/crime-joran-van-der-sloot-visited-jail-mystery-woman-twice-week


August 31, 2010

JORAN'S PRISON ROMANCE
Published on: 08/31/2010


Accused killer JORAN VAN DER SLOOT has begun a jailhouse romance with a mystery woman who’s been allowed to visit him in his cell, The ENQUIRER has learned exclusively.

The slim, 30-something blonde calls on Dutch-born Joran twice a week at the grim Miguel Castro Castro prison in Lima, Peru.

“She’s a white foreigner with short blonde hair who speaks English and Spanish fluently. Guards as well as prisoners refer to her as 'the Dutchman’s gringa,’” revealed a source close to the case.

Joran has called the woman “my girlfriend” in conversations with Hugo Trujillo Ospina aka “The Clown,” the Colombian assassin who shares his cell block. However, it is unlikely that Joran has been able to get very intimate with the woman inside the 2,300-inmate prison because he is never left unguarded.

She began visiting van der Sloot, 23, on June 20 — 17 days after he was arrested for the brutal murder of Stephany Flores, the 21-year-old daughter of a wealthy businessman.

According to prison sources, the unlikely romance blossomed after van der Sloot’s mother began paying the woman $100 a month to take him food, money and clothing, and report on his condition.

During one recent 30-minute visit, guards’ records show that she brought him five cans of tuna and another five cans of beans with bacon, plus bread, jam and water.

http://www.nationalenquirer.com/joran_vandersloot_prison_romance/celebrity/69255


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: klaasend on September 06, 2010, 12:57:48 PM
NEW FRONT PAGE POST:

Joran Van der Sloot Admits Extorting Money From Holloways to get back at Natalee Holloway’s Parents

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2010/09/06/joran-van-der-sloot-admits-extorting-money-from-holloways-to-get-back-at-them/

Do not think that it is a coinsidence that this twisted sociopath picked Labor Day weekend as the date to further torture the parents of Natalee Holloway.

Quote
Joran Van der Sloot just admitted to felony extortion … Always the victim, Joran Van der Sloot admits extortion out of revenge.

Talk about sick …

In an interview with Dutch newspaper De Telegraaf, the accused killer of 21 year old Peruvian Stephany Flores, Joran Van der Sloot has admitted to extorting money from the family of Natalee Holloway in order to get back at them.  Joran Van der Sloot admitted to extorting money from the Holloway family in return for revealing the location of Natalee Holloway’s body. Van der Sloot has already been indicted in the United States on extortion charges.

Quote
Don’t think that Joran’s extortion admission of getting even with Beth, Dave, Jug, Paul and the rest of Natalee Holloway’s family was not done with timing in mind. Do not forget, 5 years ago on Labor Day weekend, Aruba under the cloak of darkness of the Holiday weekend released Joran Van der Sloot from jail. Conveniently enough, Aruba also released the Kalpoes as well.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 06, 2010, 01:12:52 PM
Klaas

Please retrieve two FP comments from the SPAM file ... the file where all my FP comments go.

Thanks

Janet

++++++

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2010/09/06/joran-van-der-sloot-admits-extorting-money-from-holloways-to-get-back-at-them/


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: klaasend on September 06, 2010, 01:15:21 PM
Klaas

Please retrieve two FP comments from the SPAM file ... the file where all my FP comments go.

Thanks

Janet

++++++

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2010/09/06/joran-van-der-sloot-admits-extorting-money-from-holloways-to-get-back-at-them/


Got them  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 06, 2010, 01:24:47 PM
Klaas

Please retrieve two FP comments from the SPAM file ... the file where all my FP comments go.

Thanks

Janet

++++++

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2010/09/06/joran-van-der-sloot-admits-extorting-money-from-holloways-to-get-back-at-them/


Got them  ::MonkeyCool::

Thank you.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on September 06, 2010, 01:26:58 PM
Hi Monkeys! Catching up............... I'm just shocked!  ::MonkeyShocked::

Joran Van der Sloot can't keep his mouth shut???     

 ::MonkeyDevil2::

He doesn't need lips. He has shovels forming his words and he just keeps digging and digging and digging.............


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: klaasend on September 06, 2010, 01:32:16 PM
Fabienne's entire Brazil photo album.  FWIW she is supposed to be back in the NL now:

http://picasaweb.google.com/114514068604299802915/Brazil#


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on September 06, 2010, 02:43:23 PM
Joran will meet justice in due time.Yes,it's been a very long time coming but,it'll come when the time is right, and the eyes of the world are asleep.It's coming......TICK_TOCK....Even money can't stop the hands of time me thinks! ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 06, 2010, 02:43:59 PM
Would the internet provider have the ability without the SIM card to access records in regards to those Joran called or those who called Joran in the the days preceding his arrest in Chile.

Janet

++++++

July 2, 2010 11:40 AM
Van der Sloot Cops Say He Ditched Cell Phone's SIM Card on the Run


NEW YORK (CBS) Peru police told 48 Hours | Mystery that they believe Joran van der Sloot, the man accused of killing Peruvian student Stephany Flores, disposed of the SIM card in his cell phone before he was apprehended.

PICTURES: Van der Sloot Hotel Room Crime Scene

After van der Sloot was caught in Chile, cops confiscated his cell phone. Police later found that the SIM card had been removed.

Why would van der Sloot ditch his SIM card?

According to 23-year NYPD veteran Vinny Marra, investigators can use cell phones to pinpoint the exact location of the phone, and so, the person carrying it.

But in order to do so, the cell phone must be in working condition.

Without the SIM in the phone, investigators could not use this tactic to track van der Sloot's location while he was fleeing Peru after allegedly committing the murder.

According to police, van der Sloot met Flores at a casino. Hotel security surveillance video showed Flores and  van der Sloot entering his hotel room together at around 5 a.m. Sunday May 30. It then shows him leaving alone four hours later with his bags.

Flores was later found dead in van der Sloot's hotel room. Flores' death occurred exactly five years after Alabama teenager Natalee Holloway disappeared in Aruba, in which van der Sloot remains the main suspect.

Van der Sloot confessed to fatally beating, strangling and suffocating Flores in the hotel room, according to transcripts of his signed confession, which he has since recanted.

Explicit crime scene photos were previously obtained exclusively by 48 Hours | Mystery from sources close to the investigation and published exclusively by Crimesider. They show a severely beaten Flores, her body badly bruised, her clothes stained with blood.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-20009554-504083.html?tag=contentMain;contentBody


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on September 06, 2010, 02:52:59 PM
Urine will meet justice in due time.Yes,it's been a very long time coming but,it'll come when the time is right, and the eyes of the world are asleep.It's coming......TICK_TOCK....Even money can't stop the hands of time me thinks! ::MonkeyCool::
Other then that,the miscreants who continue to accept blood money are only helping to seal his fate on a daily basis!Do we honestly believe after the murder of his daughter,the influence he possesses,and Urine continuing to admit that he is terrorizing the family of the Holloways,that he will escape justice?I don't.Not for a minute! ::MonkeyShovel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on September 06, 2010, 02:55:16 PM
Urine will meet justice in due time.Yes,it's been a very long time coming but,it'll come when the time is right, and the eyes of the world are asleep.It's coming......TICK_TOCK....Even money can't stop the hands of time me thinks! ::MonkeyCool::
Other then that,the miscreants who continue to accept blood money are only helping to seal his fate on a daily basis!Do we honestly believe after the murder of his daughter,the influence he possesses,and Urine continuing to admit that he is terrorizing the family of the Holloways,that he will allow Urine to escape justice?I don't.Not for a minute! ::MonkeyShovel::

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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: texasmom on September 06, 2010, 03:00:15 PM
It sounds to me like Joran is trying to twist the facts AGAIN.  He's trying to make it sound like Beth offered him money for information, according to John Q. Kelly; that's not how it happened.  Also, Natalee's parents didn't make Joran's decisions for him on May 30, 2005, HE'S the one that's made his life miserable by the choices HE made.  But after five years of his blaming everyone but himself, I wouldn't expect anything else.  His mother taught him well.  JMO

http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/7566410/__Joran_wilde_familie_Holloway_een_hak_zetten__.html?p=5,1

Quote
"I wanted the family of Natalee a heel," admits Joran to this newspaper. "Her parents are making me have five years life miserable. When she offered to pay for the location of the girl, I thought, why not? Since I now regret."

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/37635627

Holloway attorney details van der Sloot sting
John Q. Kelly set up suspect, who said he would show Holloway’s remains


video

Van der Sloot to reveal Holloway remains?

TODAY

John Q. Kelly, the attorney for Natalee Holloway’s mother, recounts his involvement in a sting operation to nab Joran van der Sloot for murder and extortion.

By Mike Celizic

TODAYshow.com contributor

updated 6/11/2010 12:58:39 PM ET

Joran van der Sloot was so desperate for money that $100 — with only a promise of more to come — was all he needed to further an FBI sting operation and spark a chain of events that ended with him confessing to a Peruvian woman's savage death, according to the lawyer who provided the funds.

In a TODAY exclusive, John Q. Kelly, an attorney for Natalee Holloway's mother, offered new details about the sting operation that likely allowed van der Sloot to flee Aruba for Peru.

Van der Sloot has been suspected almost from the beginning of being responsible for Natalee Holloway’s disappearance in Aruba five years ago, and Thursday, Peruvian police told NBC News that he admitted knowing the location of Holloway’s remains. They added that he was willing to tell authorities in Aruba where to find the Alabama teenager’s remains.

In March, van der Sloot reached out to Kelly, demanding $250,000 from Holloway’s mother, Beth Holloway Twitty, in exchange for leading Kelly to the teenager’s remains, Kelly told TODAY.

Kelly said that when van der Sloot contacted him, he did not think he was going to learn the truth. His feelings, he said, were, “skepticism, caution, assuming everything he was going to tell me was false — but I had to understandably think that it might be true, also; so approach it very carefully and keep communicating.”

Kelly agreed to meet van der Sloot alone and brought no money — angering the suspect. Kelly then called the FBI to set up a sting, telling TODAY it only took $100 to convince van der Sloot to start talking with him again.
'A win-win situation'

Kelly said he ultimately decided he couldn’t lose by playing along with van der Sloot's demands for money in exchange for revealing the location of Holloway's remains.

TODAY
Joran van der Sloot, center, confessed to killing Stephany Flores, left, in a Lima, Peru, hotel room. The young Dutchman has long been a suspect in the 2005 disappearance of American teenager Natalee Holloway, right.

“It was a win-win situation. He was either going to pay the money, and if the information turned out to be true, Beth would get closure, she’d bring Natalie home. Assuming it was false, it would be extortion and wire fraud once falsehoods are proven. Either way, he’d be boxed in,” Kelly told TODAY. Kelly said van der Sloot wanted $25,000 up front, with the rest to be provided when the remains were recovered and proven to be Holloway’s, Kelly said.

So Kelly went to Aruba in April to meet with van der Sloot without telling anyone but his own wife and Twitty. He met van der Sloot for about two hours in a hotel.

“No money, no recording devices. Nobody knew I was there,” Kelly said Friday. “It was Easter Sunday. It was one-on-one in a hotel room for a couple hours. He thought I was bringing the $25,000. I engaged him in a long series of conversations. I was trying to get as much information as I could.”

Van der Sloot wanted money, and when Kelly said he didn’t have it with him, the man got “very angry, very agitated, very upset.”

Kelly said it was nerve-racking.
“He’s a big guy. He’s 6’4”, 225 [pounds], well built. He’s sort of a threatening individual when he gets angry, no question.”

When Kelly returned to the States, he contacted the FBI and began to set up the elaborate sting with the FBI and Aruban law-enforcement authorities.

He regained van der Sloot’s attention by sending him $100. Then, with a promise that he would bring $25,000, another meeting was set up for May 10 in Aruba.

This time, Kelly was hooked up with recording devices and rehearsed in how he needed to handle the transaction. He gave van der Sloot $10,000 in cash, establishing extortion, then had $15,000 of Twitty's personal money wired to van der Sloot’s bank account in the Netherlands, establishing wire fraud.

Van der Sloot and Kelly signed a contract, and van der Sloot took the lawyer on a drive to show where Holloway’s remains were. He pointed out a house and said his father had helped dispose of the body in the foundation. It was later determined that the house was not built when Holloway disappeared on her high school’s senior trip and that the information was false.
Van der Sloot himself told Kelly in an e-mail he apparently sent from Peru a week after the meeting that he had lied.

“He indicated it was all a hoax, which is sort of his M.O. with everybody — get the money, then say it’s a hoax and avoid criminal prosecution,” Kelly said.

'He's cold as ice'
After taking $25,000 in exchange for information that turned out to be false, Kelly said van der Sloot could have been arrested for wire fraud and extortion.

But authorities said that more work needed to be done to build the case and van der Sloot was not only left free, he was allowed to leave Aruba for South America, where he would meet Stephany Flores, the woman he confessed to killing, while participating in a poker tournament.

Holloway's mother is “obviously devastated. It’s the second nightmare for her,” Kelly told Lauer of Twitty’s reaction when she learned of Flores’ death. “Another young girl is dead and another family is living the nightmare she went through. Needless to say, she’s distraught right now.”

Kelly said he does not know why van der Sloot was allowed to remain free. “That wasn’t my call,” he said.

He also added that when he walked away from his meetings with van der Sloot having no doubt that the suspect is a psychopath. “You can look right into his eyes and see he’s cold as ice and pathological.”

The Associated Press contributed to this report.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: texasmom on September 06, 2010, 03:02:00 PM
Joran Van der Sloot Admits Extorting Money From Holloways to get back at Natalee Holloway’s Parents

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2010/09/06/joran-van-der-sloot-admits-extorting-money-from-holloways-to-get-back-at-them/

Do not think that it is a coinsidence that this twisted sociopath picked Labor Day weekend as the date to further torture the parents of Natalee Holloway.

Quote
Joran Van der Sloot just admitted to felony extortion … Always the victim, Joran Van der Sloot admits extortion out of revenge.

Talk about sick …

In an interview with Dutch newspaper De Telegraaf, the accused killer of 21 year old Peruvian Stephany Flores, Joran Van der Sloot has admitted to extorting money from the family of Natalee Holloway in order to get back at them.  Joran Van der Sloot admitted to extorting money from the Holloway family in return for revealing the location of Natalee Holloway’s body. Van der Sloot has already been indicted in the United States on extortion charges.

Quote
Don’t think that Joran’s extortion admission of getting even with Beth, Dave, Jug, Paul and the rest of Natalee Holloway’s family was not done with timing in mind. Do not forget, 5 years ago on Labor Day weekend, Aruba under the cloak of darkness of the Holiday weekend released Joran Van der Sloot from jail. Conveniently enough, Aruba also released the Kalpoes as well.

Thanks Red!   ::MonkeyCool::

Sickest part of all to me is he's getting PAID to do it AGAIN...even behind bars.   

::MonkeyNoNo::::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: klaasend on September 06, 2010, 03:04:36 PM
http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Felcomercio.pe%2Fnoticia%2F634765%2Fjoran-van-der-sloot-se-responsabilizara-asesinato-stephany-flores-segun-prensa-holandesa&sl=es&tl=en&hl=&ie=UTF-8 (http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Felcomercio.pe%2Fnoticia%2F634765%2Fjoran-van-der-sloot-se-responsabilizara-asesinato-stephany-flores-segun-prensa-holandesa&sl=es&tl=en&hl=&ie=UTF-8)

Some interesting comments at the end of the article.  Check the translated link above to view them:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/Joran09062010a.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: texasmom on September 06, 2010, 03:05:19 PM
Klaas or another mod,

Please delete the following two posts by me, I was in the wrong thread.

TIA    ::MonkeyCool::

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8032.380

 Reply #388

 Reply #391

Done  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on September 06, 2010, 03:09:12 PM
"It sounds to me like Joran is trying to twist the facts AGAIN.  He's trying to make it sound like Beth offered him money for information, according to John Q. Kelly; that's not how it happened.  Also, Natalee's parents didn't make Joran's decisions for him on May 30, 2005, HE'S the one that's made his life miserable by the choices HE made.  But after five years of his blaming everyone but himself, I wouldn't expect anything else.  His mother taught him well.  JMO"

Agreed TM!As Papa has been removed from the picture,we continue to see how important a role that Mama truly played in the cover-up of Natalee Holloways murder,as well as her continued orchestration of the terrorizing of the Holloway family.Anita is the the conducter of this symphony of miscreants.JMOO! ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: texasmom on September 06, 2010, 03:44:15 PM
http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/7566410/__Joran_wilde_familie_Holloway_een_hak_zetten__.html?p=5,1

Selected some of the comments:

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Her parents make me have five years life miserable? Van der Sloot there is one second he stopped to think that these people have ruined their lives completely, people who have lost their daughter without being able to bury the one place can give, what would he have expected after such a dirty game to have played on with the parents of Holloway saying that he was not supposed to do with it or knew anything, a thank you, bunch of flowers?
Ano,, devel | 6:58 p.m. | 06/09/1910


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Joran is such a ruthless spycho. Why do an interview with this spycho, why again the focus where it spycho completely gains momentum, those English classes does J not in vain, cunning, for the guards more wish for this to eventually let him for at least 50 more years enjoy 4 dirty walls in a maximum security prison, we heard this piece of dirt at home. Van den Heuvel how much did you pay him ......????? Not smart huh, to murderers to give euro contemporaries made .. Floor, Valkenburg | 6:55 p.m. | 09/06/1910

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And we are going to call John van den Heuvel has invented the egg of Columbus. This was known long ago so it's not even news. And how low can you be for an interview to pay, because this really is not done for free. News is not even news.
Ron, Rotterdam | 5:25 p.m. | 06/09/1910

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I see that Peter R. de Vries and Mr. John van den Heuvel on a ridge here advanced are installed. I personally think that's not quite fair. Peter R. has never given one red cent to Joran. He may make money with programs about him, but they were also designed to Joran to where it belongs: in a cell.
Martijn Meijer, Wagenborgen | 11:42 | 09.06.1910

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I do not understand why this deranged killer gets so much attention, he is still a popular Dutch way because negative publicity is publicity. Leave him rot there in that hole.
Henk, Haarlem | 11:37 | 06.09.1910

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Why does this psychological liar always in the news? Why did John van den Heuvel pays attention to him? And why is that interview broadcast? Why does the Netherlands here last? We are sick of lies, pull rotkop him forever from the tube and keep him out of the papers, let him get away rot in that cell in Peru, that's what he deserved. For this interview, he also sought and obtained the necessary cents, otherwise lult not this loser.
Lucille Nijmegen | 11:07 | 09/06/1910

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When we stop once and for such a sick mind constantly to provide a platform to show what kind of monster he is? By giving attention we feed the need for attention and distanced him yet another story. Let the man enjoy languishing in a cell! Give the media something more attention to people who have a respect for human life and not seen as disposable article.
Winding, NY | 10:45 | 09.06.1910

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Moving in the right direction, he begins to confess and can no longer deny. Van der Sloot is the cigar and he realizes it. I think he will admit for penalty reduction, that's all he can given the overwhelming evidence against him. In Peru, you will not be acquitted if your name is spelled finds, as here in the Netherlands. So he'd better get him as many guards as he learns English, she still needed later when he joined the rest of the prisoners being thrown.
A Apeldoorn | 9:49 | 06/09/1910

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Right that the Holloway family to him the fire seemed to move, you would still love your daughter buried honorably. Unfortunately, this demon back in the news. May he get life and the prisoners him every minute of the day threatening his lip down!
Roel de Lange, Driebergen | 9:43 | 06/09/1910

 ::MonkeyWink::
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his father and mother were scary, just ask the neighbors!
Home, amsterdam | 9:29 | 06/09/1910

 ::MonkeyCool::
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This guy needs to tell his last lie.
The Undertaker, Dead Valley | 9:15 | 09/06/1910

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People see these images is NOT (so I do not). We must get rid of all the publicity and hence the attribute of a hero status for this individual. All that publicity is 'zakkenvullerij' of the media. It brings nothing new on the table and adds nbiks to what is currently known. The next report is worthy, that he was sentenced to life or the death penalty and then we have it ready.
January, Kerkrade | 8:52 | 09/06/1910



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: texasmom on September 06, 2010, 04:17:10 PM
Klaas or another mod,

Please delete the following two posts by me, I was in the wrong thread.

TIA    ::MonkeyCool::

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8032.380

 Reply #388

 Reply #391

Done  ::MonkeyCool::

 ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 06, 2010, 05:25:48 PM
 ::MonkeyShocked::

10. johan on September 6th, 2010 3:22 pm
 
@Frederic Nitz: the Dutch and Peruvians have been in talks about a prisoner exchange program for quite some time.

Expect it to be in place if Joran gets sentenced.
He will never set foot on American soil but will be transported to the Netherlands or Aruba.

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2010/09/06/joran-van-der-sloot-admits-extorting-money-from-holloways-to-get-back-at-them/



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: klaasend on September 06, 2010, 05:27:57 PM
Posted at RU:

Pronkjewail  PostPosted: Mon Sep 06, 2010 3:02 am         

There is a (part of the)video of the Joran-interview at this link; http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/7566410/__Joran_wilde_familie_Holloway_een_hak_zetten__.html?p=5,1

Joran says that he is treated well in prison. He helps some of the guards with learning english. They come to his cell every 3 days where he helps them with their lessons.

He calls his mom once a week. He understands that she is suffering because of him and feels bad that she is being harrassed again. He doesnt talk to his brothers; they refuse to talk to him. He says that especially the middle brother is probably mad at him.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: klaasend on September 06, 2010, 05:28:34 PM
::MonkeyShocked::

10. johan on September 6th, 2010 3:22 pm
 
@Frederic Nitz: the Dutch and Peruvians have been in talks about a prisoner exchange program for quite some time.

Expect it to be in place if Joran gets sentenced.
He will never set foot on American soil but will be transported to the Netherlands or Aruba.

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2010/09/06/joran-van-der-sloot-admits-extorting-money-from-holloways-to-get-back-at-them/



Janet - don't listen to that troll


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Post by: MuffyBee on September 06, 2010, 05:31:13 PM
::MonkeyShocked::

10. johan on September 6th, 2010 3:22 pm
 
@Frederic Nitz: the Dutch and Peruvians have been in talks about a prisoner exchange program for quite some time.

Expect it to be in place if Joran gets sentenced.
He will never set foot on American soil but will be transported to the Netherlands or Aruba.

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2010/09/06/joran-van-der-sloot-admits-extorting-money-from-holloways-to-get-back-at-them/




If Wishes were Horses...

If wishes were horses then beggars would ride,
If turnips were swords I'd have one by my side.
If 'ifs' and hands were pots and pans
There would be no need for tinkers hands!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 06, 2010, 05:40:22 PM
Klaas ... what about the troll who is Joran's attorney?

I thought if the confession was thrown out ... the evidence would stand alone in a trail.

According to Attorney Maximo Alteza ... Joran was not paid for the interview.  Maybe he was "compensated" for photos.  Something akin to the American networks.

Janet

++++++

Dutch paper: Van der Sloot admits extortionBy the CNN Wire Staff
September 6, 2010 4:40 p.m. EDT


(CNN) -- Joran van der Sloot admitted in an interview with a Dutch newspaper that he extorted money from the family of Natalee Holloway, but his attorney in a Peruvian murder case suggested Monday that his client's comments may have been mistranslated.

Attorney Maximo Alteza said he is not involved in the case of Holloway, the Alabama teenager who disappeared in Aruba after going out on the town with van der Sloot, and was reluctant to comment on van der Sloot's interview with The Telegraph.

"Maybe there were some mistakes in the translation," he said. Alteza said van der Sloot was not paid for the interview.

"I wanted to get back at Natalee's family," van der Sloot said from prison in the Dutch interview. "Her parents have been making my life tough for five years."

"When they offered to pay for the girl's location, I thought: 'Why not?'" he said.

Van der Sloot faces a count of wire fraud and a count of extortion in the United States for allegedly trying to extort more than $250,000 from Holloway's family in return for the location of her body. He has denied responsibility for her disappearance.

He was arrested twice in Aruba in connection with the Holloway case but has never been charged.

The 22-year-old Dutch citizen is awaiting trial in Lima, Peru, where he stands accused of killing Stephany Flores in a hotel room.

Also Monday, a Peruvian court voted 2-1 to reject van der Sloot's contention that he is being held unlawfully, but the court requires three votes to secure a decision. Alteza said that a fourth jurist will hear the case and cast a vote at a public hearing next week. If that judge votes in favor of van der Sloot, a fifth judge will hear the case to break the tie.

Alteza said that van der Sloot's constitutional rights have been violated and he "could be released because of the mistakes made by the police during the investigation."

"It doesn't matter if he is innocent or guilty," he said.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/09/06/peru.vandersloot.extortion/?hpt=T2


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 06, 2010, 05:42:09 PM
SELF-EDIT - MY LAST POST

along in a trail. s/b alone in a trial.


Fixed it = San


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 06, 2010, 05:52:28 PM

Dutch paper: Van der Sloot admits extortionBy the CNN Wire Staff
September 6, 2010 4:40 p.m. EDT


Also Monday, a Peruvian court voted 2-1 to reject van der Sloot's contention that he is being held unlawfully, but the court requires three votes to secure a decision.  Alteza said that a fourth jurist will hear the case and cast a vote at a public hearing next week. If that judge votes in favor of van der Sloot, a fifth judge will hear the case to break the tie.

Alteza said that van der Sloot's constitutional rights have been violated and he "could be released because of the mistakes made by the police during the investigation."

"It doesn't matter if he is innocent or guilty," he said.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/09/06/peru.vandersloot.extortion/?hpt=T2

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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 06, 2010, 05:53:08 PM
SELF-EDIT - MY LAST POST

along in a trail. s/b alone in a trial.


Fixed it = San

Thanks

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: klaasend on September 06, 2010, 05:53:31 PM
Janet - I don't believe Joran will be released.  If by some chance Joran is released, I suspect there will be people, friends of Stephany's father that will make sure he dies.  It is my opinion that right now Joran is safer in any prison than he is on the outside and I don't think he's very safe in prison. 

The rational world knows that Joran is a murderer.  If they didn't know 5 years ago they know now.


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Post by: Keepthefaith on September 06, 2010, 06:03:23 PM
Janet - I don't believe Joran will be released.  If by some chance Joran is released, I suspect there will be people, friends of Stephany's father that will make sure he dies.  It is my opinion that right now Joran is safer in any prison than he is on the outside and I don't think he's very safe in prison. 

The rational world knows that Joran is a murderer.  If they didn't know 5 years ago they know now.

 ::MonkeyAngel::

One of the most read articles on people magazine! ::MonkeyCool::

http://www.people.com/people/0,,,00.html




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on September 06, 2010, 06:07:31 PM
Janet - I don't believe Joran will be released.  If by some chance Joran is released, I suspect there will be people, friends of Stephany's father that will make sure he dies.  It is my opinion that right now Joran is safer in any prison than he is on the outside and I don't think he's very safe in prison. 

The rational world knows that Joran is a murderer.  If they didn't know 5 years ago they know now.

It's very fitting that the more media attention the miscreants give Joran,and themselves,the sooner they kill him,and throw feces on themselves...Just sayin ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Magnolia on September 06, 2010, 06:21:01 PM
I remember when the extortation charges were first announced, JQK said that Joran first contacted him by
email using the last name "Sanders".  I figured that was  Van der S with the
V changed to an S.

As to the treaty between NL and Peru.  NL has been pushing for that treaty for years and years, and
Peru has rejected all negotiations.  There is no reason to believe that Peru is about to change their
stance...no matter what the dark side says.  Remember Giant Caribbean Crabs!

I am sure that Mr. Flores has ways of silencing the sporter, when the time comes.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 06, 2010, 06:36:12 PM
Janet - I don't believe Joran will be released.  If by some chance Joran is released, I suspect there will be people, friends of Stephany's father that will make sure he dies.  It is my opinion that right now Joran is safer in any prison than he is on the outside and I don't think he's very safe in prison. 

The rational world knows that Joran is a murderer.  If they didn't know 5 years ago they know now.

Klaas

I didn't think Joran and his big mouth would have lasted five years and ... I was wrong.  To avoid possible exposure ... I was positive those in the  Aruba/ Holland administrations ...  those who participated in the cover up agenda that has prevented justice form prevailing for Natalee Holloway ... would have permanently silenced this guy by now.

Janet

++++

Joran van der Sloot Goes 'On the Record' with New Natalee Holloway Story
Tuesday, November 25, 2008


GRETA VAN SUSTEREN: And I will. I mean, you told me, one of the things you told me - this is - and what I want to do is use this with leverage is that (NAME DELETED) was paid off, and another police officer was paid off by your father.

JORAN VAN DER SLOOT: You know something, Greta, though, I don't really want to do this, actually. I don't. This is not actually what we agreed on.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,457144,00.html



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on September 06, 2010, 06:38:31 PM
I remember when the extortation charges were first announced, JQK said that Joran first contacted him by
email using the last name "Sanders".  I figured that was  Van der S with the
V changed to an S.

As to the treaty between NL and Peru.  NL has been pushing for that treaty for years and years, and
Peru has rejected all negotiations.  There is no reason to believe that Peru is about to change their
stance...no matter what the dark side says.  Remember Giant Caribbean Crabs!

I am sure that Mr. Flores has ways of silencing the sporter, when the time comes.

It will come when we least expect it!If not from Mr. Flores,from someone who'll forever remain nameless I'm sure...Yep,Yep.... ::MonkeyCool::


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Post by: texasmom on September 06, 2010, 06:56:24 PM
http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2010-09-06/joran-van-der-sloots-extortion-confession/

Van der Sloot's New Confession

by Barbie Latza Nadeau

September 6, 2010 | 6:07pm

(http://www.tdbimg.com/files/2010/09/06/img-bs-top---nadeau-van-der-sloot_180624459099.jpg)

AP Photo Natalee Holloway’s alleged killer has admitted to extorting her parents in return for revealing her body’s location—but is it just his latest plea for attention?

Can anyone really believe anything Joran van der Sloot says? The 22-year-old Dutch man who is awaiting trial for the murder of 21-year-old Stephany Flores in Lima, Peru, has given yet another confession about his involvement in the 2005 disappearance of American teenager Natalee Holloway. This time, he told the Dutch newspaper De Telegraaf that he attempted to extort $250,000 from Holloway’s mother out of revenge for being so tough on him.  “I wanted to get back at Natalee’s family,” he told De Telegraaf’s John van den Heuvel during a televised interview in Van der Sloot’s prison cell block. “When they offered to pay for the girl’s location, I thought, ‘Why not’?”

This is not, of course, the first confession that van der Sloot has made.

Van der Sloot says he then told Holloway’s mother that her daughter’s body was under the foundation of a house in Oranjestad, Aruba.  The house was being built at the time Holloway disappeared in May 2005 and van der Sloot says his father buried her under the wall forms that had been set in place to pour cement.  Van der Sloot’s father died of cardiac arrest in the spring of 2010, and authorities in Aruba say that building records show that there was no such permit or record that anyone was pouring cement at the address when Holloway disappeared. 

They dismissed the confession to Holloway’s mother as yet another lie.

This is not, of course, the first confession that van der Sloot has made. He was caught on hidden camera in 2007 by Dutch journalist Peter R. De Vries admitting to dumping Holloway’s body at sea after she died on the beach.  He then famously told Fox News Channel’s Greta Van Susteren that he had sold Holloway as a sex slave off the coast of Aruba.  And when he was arrested in Peru last June, he told Peruvian officials that he would finally give up the truth about where to find the young American’s remains – but only if they turned him over to authorities in Aruba.

The latest Holloway confession has little bearing on Van der Sloot’s current dilemma, so he had nothing to lose by admitting the obvious, though it was gratuitously cruel to admit he did it for spite.  With the exception of a young woman who brings him food and his own mother, who was also interviewed by De Telegraaf for the segment, the Dutch man has few obvious supporters.

Still, he is wildly popular.  In August, a photograph emerged of him and three cellblock mates – Columbian hitman Hugo Trujillo Ospina and American William Trickett Smith II, known as the suitcase killer after murdering and dismembering his wife.  The photo of the three notorious foreigner killers, along with an unidentified foreign man, was allegedly sold to local tabloid photographers by prison staff. A formal investigation by Peru’s National Institute of Corrections say they have begun "administrative and disciplinary actions with the goal of establishing responsibility over the acts of official misconduct by employees of the Castro Castro Correctional Institution. They improperly used photographic equipment that was meant for administrative duties."

Van der Sloot is also the subject of an English language Dutch film set for release in 2011.  Me and Mr. Jones is a fictional account of the crime that paints Holloway as a party girl and van der Sloot as a playboy.  The scenes were being filmed in Aruba by director Paul Ruven in May 2010 when Flores was murdered.  On his website, Ruven says he incorporated the Flores story into the script but he has hinted to Dutch media that the film does not end with a resolution of the crime.  He told Radio Netherlands that the film casts an honest light on Aruba.  “It’s this colonial background of favoritism and conflict of interests that allows a young rich Dutchman to do what he likes without being brought to justice,” he said. “Nobody on Aruba wants the truth to come out. It was also never the intention that Joran should end up in prison. That would damage tourism and the economy.”

The same cannot be said for Peru.  When van der Sloot was detained in June, the authorities wasted no time locking him up.  He initially confessed to killing Flores in his hotel room after she found incriminating information on his laptop about the Holloway case.  But shortly after, he steadfastly denied his confession, saying it was coerced and that his court-appointed lawyer was really working for the Peruvians and had actually tricked him into confession. Earlier this summer a Peruvian judge ruled that the confession would be admissible in his murder trial, but his new lawyers are appealing that ruling.

But in his latest confession in the De Telegraaf inteview, van der Sloot admits that he did murder Flores, even saying that the Peru prosecutor will easily convict him.
Truth may be elusive to the young Dutch man, but it is obvious that—unlike in Aruba—this time he understands his fate.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 06, 2010, 07:20:24 PM
http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2010-09-06/joran-van-der-sloots-extortion-confession/

Van der Sloot's New Confession

by Barbie Latza Nadeau

September 6, 2010 | 6:07pm

(http://www.tdbimg.com/files/2010/09/06/img-bs-top---nadeau-van-der-sloot_180624459099.jpg)

AP Photo Natalee Holloway’s alleged killer has admitted to extorting her parents in return for revealing her body’s location—but is it just his latest plea for attention?

Can anyone really believe anything Joran van der Sloot says? The 22-year-old Dutch man who is awaiting trial for the murder of 21-year-old Stephany Flores in Lima, Peru, has given yet another confession about his involvement in the 2005 disappearance of American teenager Natalee Holloway. This time, he told the Dutch newspaper De Telegraaf that he attempted to extort $250,000 from Holloway’s mother out of revenge for being so tough on him.  “I wanted to get back at Natalee’s family,” he told De Telegraaf’s John van den Heuvel during a televised interview in Van der Sloot’s prison cell block. “When they offered to pay for the girl’s location, I thought, ‘Why not’?”

This is not, of course, the first confession that van der Sloot has made.

Van der Sloot says he then told Holloway’s mother that her daughter’s body was under the foundation of a house in Oranjestad, Aruba.  The house was being built at the time Holloway disappeared in May 2005 and van der Sloot says his father buried her under the wall forms that had been set in place to pour cement.  Van der Sloot’s father died of cardiac arrest in the spring of 2010, and authorities in Aruba say that building records show that there was no such permit or record that anyone was pouring cement at the address when Holloway disappeared. 

They dismissed the confession to Holloway’s mother as yet another lie.

This is not, of course, the first confession that van der Sloot has made. He was caught on hidden camera in 2007 by Dutch journalist Peter R. De Vries admitting to dumping Holloway’s body at sea after she died on the beach.  He then famously told Fox News Channel’s Greta Van Susteren that he had sold Holloway as a sex slave off the coast of Aruba.  And when he was arrested in Peru last June, he told Peruvian officials that he would finally give up the truth about where to find the young American’s remains – but only if they turned him over to authorities in Aruba.

The latest Holloway confession has little bearing on Van der Sloot’s current dilemma, so he had nothing to lose by admitting the obvious, though it was gratuitously cruel to admit he did it for spite.  With the exception of a young woman who brings him food and his own mother, who was also interviewed by De Telegraaf for the segment, the Dutch man has few obvious supporters.

Still, he is wildly popular.  In August, a photograph emerged of him and three cellblock mates – Columbian hitman Hugo Trujillo Ospina and American William Trickett Smith II, known as the suitcase killer after murdering and dismembering his wife.  The photo of the three notorious foreigner killers, along with an unidentified foreign man, was allegedly sold to local tabloid photographers by prison staff. A formal investigation by Peru’s National Institute of Corrections say they have begun "administrative and disciplinary actions with the goal of establishing responsibility over the acts of official misconduct by employees of the Castro Castro Correctional Institution. They improperly used photographic equipment that was meant for administrative duties."

Van der Sloot is also the subject of an English language Dutch film set for release in 2011.  Me and Mr. Jones is a fictional account of the crime that paints Holloway as a party girl and van der Sloot as a playboy.  The scenes were being filmed in Aruba by director Paul Ruven in May 2010 when Flores was murdered.  On his website, Ruven says he incorporated the Flores story into the script but he has hinted to Dutch media that the film does not end with a resolution of the crime.  He told Radio Netherlands that the film casts an honest light on Aruba.  “It’s this colonial background of favoritism and conflict of interests that allows a young rich Dutchman to do what he likes without being brought to justice,” he said. “Nobody on Aruba wants the truth to come out. It was also never the intention that Joran should end up in prison. That would damage tourism and the economy.”

The same cannot be said for Peru.  When van der Sloot was detained in June, the authorities wasted no time locking him up.  He initially confessed to killing Flores in his hotel room after she found incriminating information on his laptop about the Holloway case.  But shortly after, he steadfastly denied his confession, saying it was coerced and that his court-appointed lawyer was really working for the Peruvians and had actually tricked him into confession. Earlier this summer a Peruvian judge ruled that the confession would be admissible in his murder trial, but his new lawyers are appealing that ruling.

But in his latest confession in the De Telegraaf inteview, van der Sloot admits that he did murder Flores, even saying that the Peru prosecutor will easily convict him.
Truth may be elusive to the young Dutch man, but it is obvious that—unlike in Aruba—this time he understands his fate.


Could it be that Anita van der Sloot is on the receiving end of the rumored $1,000,000 payment afforded for this interview?

Janet

+++++++



Dutch paper: Van der Sloot admits extortion
By the CNN Wire Staff
September 6, 2010 4:40 p.m. EDT


(CNN) -- Joran van der Sloot admitted in an interview with a Dutch newspaper that he extorted money from the family of Natalee Holloway, but his attorney in a Peruvian murder case suggested Monday that his client's comments may have been mistranslated.

Attorney Maximo Alteza said he is not involved in the case of Holloway, the Alabama teenager who disappeared in Aruba after going out on the town with van der Sloot, and was reluctant to comment on van der Sloot's interview with The Telegraph.

"Maybe there were some mistakes in the translation," he said.  Alteza said van der Sloot was not paid for the interview.

<snipped>

http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/09/06/peru.vandersloot.extortion/?hpt=T2


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on September 06, 2010, 07:53:33 PM
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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on September 06, 2010, 07:57:44 PM
::HelloKitty:: ::MonkeyHaHa::
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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 06, 2010, 08:49:23 PM
Joran van der Sloot interviewed in prison
Published on : 6 September 2010 - 2:29pm
By RNW News Desk (still: Ochtendspits/WNL)


Joran van der Sloot no longer denies murdering Peruvian student Stephany Flores. Dutch crime reporter John van den Heuvel interviewed Van der Sloot in the infamous Castro Castro prison in Lima.

The journalist says that the murder suspect wants to give his account of Ms Flores’ murder in court. In the same interview, he admits extorting money from Natalee Holloway’s family. Joran van der Sloot is the main suspect in the case of the US teenager, who went missing in Aruba five years ago. He says after receiving money for information on the location of Ms Holloway’s body, he pointed out a random spot.

The interview will be broadcast on Dutch commercial television channel RTL on Monday evening.

Video - English Subtitles:
http://www.rnw.nl/english/video/joran-van-der-sloot-interviewed-prison



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Magnolia on September 06, 2010, 08:54:43 PM
Joran van der Sloot interviewed in prison
Published on : 6 September 2010 - 2:29pm
By RNW News Desk (still: Ochtendspits/WNL)


Joran van der Sloot no longer denies murdering Peruvian student Stephany Flores. Dutch crime reporter John van den Heuvel interviewed Van der Sloot in the infamous Castro Castro prison in Lima.

The journalist says that the murder suspect wants to give his account of Ms Flores’ murder in court. In the same interview, he admits extorting money from Natalee Holloway’s family. Joran van der Sloot is the main suspect in the case of the US teenager, who went missing in Aruba five years ago. He says after receiving money for information on the location of Ms Holloway’s body, he pointed out a random spot.

The interview will be broadcast on Dutch commercial television channel RTL on Monday evening.

Video - English Subtitles:
http://www.rnw.nl/english/video/joran-van-der-sloot-interviewed-prison




And on Tuesday, Joran will annoucne from Casto Castro Prison that he lied. ::piggy::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: klaasend on September 06, 2010, 09:06:50 PM
Is it tomorrow that the 4th judge decides?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: SuzieQ on September 06, 2010, 09:34:14 PM
http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2010-09-06/joran-van-der-sloots-extortion-confession/

Van der Sloot's New Confession

by Barbie Latza Nadeau

September 6, 2010 | 6:07pm

(http://www.tdbimg.com/files/2010/09/06/img-bs-top---nadeau-van-der-sloot_180624459099.jpg)

AP Photo Natalee Holloway’s alleged killer has admitted to extorting her parents in return for revealing her body’s location—but is it just his latest plea for attention?

Can anyone really believe anything Joran van der Sloot says? The 22-year-old Dutch man who is awaiting trial for the murder of 21-year-old Stephany Flores in Lima, Peru, has given yet another confession about his involvement in the 2005 disappearance of American teenager Natalee Holloway. This time, he told the Dutch newspaper De Telegraaf that he attempted to extort $250,000 from Holloway’s mother out of revenge for being so tough on him.  “I wanted to get back at Natalee’s family,” he told De Telegraaf’s John van den Heuvel during a televised interview in Van der Sloot’s prison cell block. “When they offered to pay for the girl’s location, I thought, ‘Why not’?”

This is not, of course, the first confession that van der Sloot has made.

Van der Sloot says he then told Holloway’s mother that her daughter’s body was under the foundation of a house in Oranjestad, Aruba.  The house was being built at the time Holloway disappeared in May 2005 and van der Sloot says his father buried her under the wall forms that had been set in place to pour cement.  Van der Sloot’s father died of cardiac arrest in the spring of 2010, and authorities in Aruba say that building records show that there was no such permit or record that anyone was pouring cement at the address when Holloway disappeared. 

They dismissed the confession to Holloway’s mother as yet another lie.

This is not, of course, the first confession that van der Sloot has made. He was caught on hidden camera in 2007 by Dutch journalist Peter R. De Vries admitting to dumping Holloway’s body at sea after she died on the beach.  He then famously told Fox News Channel’s Greta Van Susteren that he had sold Holloway as a sex slave off the coast of Aruba.  And when he was arrested in Peru last June, he told Peruvian officials that he would finally give up the truth about where to find the young American’s remains – but only if they turned him over to authorities in Aruba.

The latest Holloway confession has little bearing on Van der Sloot’s current dilemma, so he had nothing to lose by admitting the obvious, though it was gratuitously cruel to admit he did it for spite.  With the exception of a young woman who brings him food and his own mother, who was also interviewed by De Telegraaf for the segment, the Dutch man has few obvious supporters.

Still, he is wildly popular.  In August, a photograph emerged of him and three cellblock mates – Columbian hitman Hugo Trujillo Ospina and American William Trickett Smith II, known as the suitcase killer after murdering and dismembering his wife.  The photo of the three notorious foreigner killers, along with an unidentified foreign man, was allegedly sold to local tabloid photographers by prison staff. A formal investigation by Peru’s National Institute of Corrections say they have begun "administrative and disciplinary actions with the goal of establishing responsibility over the acts of official misconduct by employees of the Castro Castro Correctional Institution. They improperly used photographic equipment that was meant for administrative duties."

Van der Sloot is also the subject of an English language Dutch film set for release in 2011.  Me and Mr. Jones is a fictional account of the crime that paints Holloway as a party girl and van der Sloot as a playboy.  The scenes were being filmed in Aruba by director Paul Ruven in May 2010 when Flores was murdered.  On his website, Ruven says he incorporated the Flores story into the script but he has hinted to Dutch media that the film does not end with a resolution of the crime.  He told Radio Netherlands that the film casts an honest light on Aruba.  “It’s this colonial background of favoritism and conflict of interests that allows a young rich Dutchman to do what he likes without being brought to justice,” he said. “Nobody on Aruba wants the truth to come out. It was also never the intention that Joran should end up in prison. That would damage tourism and the economy.”
The same cannot be said for Peru.  When van der Sloot was detained in June, the authorities wasted no time locking him up.  He initially confessed to killing Flores in his hotel room after she found incriminating information on his laptop about the Holloway case.  But shortly after, he steadfastly denied his confession, saying it was coerced and that his court-appointed lawyer was really working for the Peruvians and had actually tricked him into confession. Earlier this summer a Peruvian judge ruled that the confession would be admissible in his murder trial, but his new lawyers are appealing that ruling.

But in his latest confession in the De Telegraaf inteview, van der Sloot admits that he did murder Flores, even saying that the Peru prosecutor will easily convict him.
Truth may be elusive to the young Dutch man, but it is obvious that—unlike in Aruba—this time he understands his fate.



I think the last bolded paragraph is interesting. Seems someone sees Aruba as we do. Maybe the movie will not be as bad as we thought.


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Post by: Tamikosmom on September 06, 2010, 09:42:37 PM
Is it tomorrow that the 4th judge decides?

According to the following article ... the 4th judge will decide next week.

Janet

++++++


Dutch paper: Van der Sloot admits extortionBy the CNN Wire Staff
September 6, 2010 4:40 p.m. EDT


Also Monday, a Peruvian court voted 2-1 to reject van der Sloot's contention that he is being held unlawfully, but the court requires three votes to secure a decision.  Alteza said that a fourth jurist will hear the case and cast a vote at a public hearing next week.  If that judge votes in favor of van der Sloot, a fifth judge will hear the case to break the tie.

Alteza said that van der Sloot's constitutional rights have been violated and he "could be released because of the mistakes made by the police during the investigation."

"It doesn't matter if he is innocent or guilty," he said.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/09/06/peru.vandersloot.extortion/?hpt=T2


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Post by: Magnolia on September 06, 2010, 09:47:20 PM
Is it tomorrow that the 4th judge decides?

According to the following article ... the 4th judge will decide next week.

Janet

++++++


Dutch paper: Van der Sloot admits extortionBy the CNN Wire Staff
September 6, 2010 4:40 p.m. EDT


Also Monday, a Peruvian court voted 2-1 to reject van der Sloot's contention that he is being held unlawfully, but the court requires three votes to secure a decision.  Alteza said that a fourth jurist will hear the case and cast a vote at a public hearing next week.  If that judge votes in favor of van der Sloot, a fifth judge will hear the case to break the tie.

Alteza said that van der Sloot's constitutional rights have been violated and he "could be released because of the mistakes made by the police during the investigation."

"It doesn't matter if he is innocent or guilty," he said.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/09/06/peru.vandersloot.extortion/?hpt=T2


When did Alteaz make that statement?

Is "next week" the week that commenced yesterday; or is it the following week that begins on Sept. 12th?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Anna on September 06, 2010, 10:11:09 PM
Someone needs to explain to Anita that Joran would not qualify for being sent to the NL to serve his sentence because he is awaiting extradition to the U.S. on his extortion warrant.  Peru and the US already have extradition treaties in place. 

I talked to someone from the NL over the weekend and they said that this "girlfriend" is just am embassy worker that would be made available to anybody from the NL and Joran is likely lying about it being anything more.  Note that she is in her 30's and so not age appropriate for Joran.

Like everything else, he's just lying some more.

The only place Joran is going to go should he ever leave Peru is to the US to face charges here.  Anita is dreaming that the whole world is trying to get her psycho kid out of jail.  She needs to talk to an international lawyer before doing these idiotic things unless of course, it is for other prisoners benefit she is working.  Hers ain't going anywhere from Peru except maybe to Levenworth to stand trial again.

And extortion carries a very heavy sentence in this country, more than murder in NL.

Just saying. . . .


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Anna on September 06, 2010, 10:17:31 PM
Oh, and once they get him here on extortion, misbehaving in jail can get years added if you know what I mean.  Things like attempting to escape.

Not all the world see someone who beats young girls to death as a hero.  Most normal people despise this kind of thing and will go out of their way to see that Joran is never on free feet again.

And the US even has extradition treaties with the NL on things like extortion.  They would have to hand him over or give a very good excuse why not.  Extortion does not carry the death penalty so that's out.  If their "system" which we heard so much about was not so flawed, Stephany would still be alive.

Aruba with their Dutch system are the ones who allowed this psycho to be free to kill again and God only know what he did in Thailand.  It's all on their hands no matter how they play it or how many interviews they do glorifying this scum of the earth, it changes nothing.

JMO


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: MuffyBee on September 06, 2010, 10:24:04 PM
I'm wondering IF an extradition thing was agreed to between Peru and The Netherlands, what would be the criteria?  Would it be automatic?  What about certain cases, such as  Joran's, which include murder?  That's a lot different to me than a person charged with theft or with drug trade.  JMHO and wondering.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: texasmom on September 06, 2010, 10:29:11 PM
http://www.prisonersinperu.nl

From the bottom of the page...

Developed by G. Simkanic

From the petition:

http://petities.nl/petitie/joran-van-der-sloot

G. Simkanic Amsterdam 2 months ago

from Google search...

http://www.kingscasino.nl/pdf/brochure.pdf

 ::monkeyscissors:: from the brochure...

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Google translation:

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Amsterdam,

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Kings Casino has experienced croupiers, in appropriate clothing they entertain players in such a way that they not only understand the game, but the also find fun to play.

We hope that the above information has given you an impression of Kings Casino and services that you are convinced of the voordelen.  Heeft U have questions or would you book directly, then you can contact us at above number.

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Note: Same address as the Casino Equipment Business

http://www.nileguide.com/destination/amsterdam/hotels/las-vegas-bed-and-breakfast/322115

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DESCRIPTION:

Nice big non smoking rooms on the groundfloor, in a lovely area full with shops close to the vondelpark and centre of Amsterdam. De centre is about 7 minutes with public transportation there you find all bars, restaurants and disco's, the Rijksmuseum and van Gogh museum is about 6 minutes from our location. This area is very quiet and execelent for groups of 4 people. When you check in you will get a free welcome drink and a few dutch snacks. Behalf of the Simkanic family we hope to meet you soon,and we wish you a pleasant stay. NOTE !! On Holiday's there is a supplement
As seen on 

Read more: http://www.nileguide.com/destination/amsterdam/hotels/las-vegas-bed-and-breakfast/322115#ixzz0ynjiGNIc

Woestduinstraat 155
1059 SV Amsterdam
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Phone:   +31 20 6154004
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Cellular:   +31 6 46020937

http://www.tripadvisor.es/ShowUserReviews-g188590-d1207569-r73897933-Las_Vegas_Bed_and_Breakfast-Amsterdam_Noord_Holland.html#CHECK_RATES_CONT

Reviews:

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Nice, small hostel”
Las Vegas Bed and Breakfast

traveldq   1 contribución
Frankfurt, Alemania
30 ago 2010 | Tipo de viaje: En pareja
The few previous reviews are really exaggerated. The owner is quite a character, that's for sure, but he's no creep. He was very friendly all the time and trying to make us feel comfortable. Some people may find all the small talk disturbing after a while, but considering the person has lived in the States for years, I would say it's normal to behave like that. The rooms are spacious and the hostel is located in a quiet area. I would stay there again.

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Under NO circumstances stay at this B&B”
Las Vegas Bed and Breakfast

jolente   1 contribución
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5 ago 2010 | Tipo de viaje: De negocios

Under NO circumstances stay at this Hostel. Me and my Mother have just had a very bad experience here. We left the hostel after one night due to both me and my Mother feeling very unsafe due to the odd behavior by the hostel owner. We left our room to find the owner sitting in the dark outside our room.

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Avoid this place at all costs..you have been warned !
Las Vegas Bed and Breakfast

polanski09   3 contribuciones
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3 ene 2009 | Tipo de viaje: En pareja

5personas encontraron esta crítica útil.

Under NO circumstances stay at this Hostel. Me and my wife have just had a very bad experience here. We left the hostel after one night due to both me and my wife feeling very unsafe due to the frankly very odd behavior by the hostel owner. We were forced to leave when after one night we left our room to find the owner sitting in the dark outside our room. We were constantly harassed and were aware at all times that the owner was camped right outside our door. Everytime that one of us left the room to use the shower/shared bathroom we were stopped by the owner and after using the bathroom the owner would go in afterwards to check it. We stayed at the hostel for New Years Eve and after going out for drinks that evening we were questioned the next morning over how long we stayed out and how many drinks we had at the hostel when returning, we constantly felt like we were being intergogated. We felt increasingly like prisoners and not paying guests. The final straw came when I was questioned by the owner as to who I had been speaking to outside the hostel and why my wife wished to go to bed as she had been in bed all day, at this point we became very concerned as this kind of behavior to us is very strange. Luckily we were able to salvage our holiday but at the price of 180 Euros extra as we were requested to pay for the 3 nights up front. Additionally the price was altered by the Hostel owner from our original invoice adding a holiday charge and city tax to our bill which I questioned by e-mail before arrival.

The money is not our concern, what is that no other people visiting this city should ever stay in this hostel. Finally just to reinforce my point the other couple (an American couple staying in the other room) also left the day before us for we suspect the same uneasy feelings that both myself and my wife had.

Thanks and safe travels !

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I think this is the same David Simkanic as in the pics for King Casino. 

The timing was interesting to me too, about the time Joran went to Thailand after the Range Rover recordings were televised in Feb 2008.  IIRC in the next Peter DeVries show about trafficking Thai girls , Joran was dealing with someone in Amsterdam.  Both pictures that are posted on the site were supposedly taken in Las Vegas, Nevada.

Couldn't help but notice where one of the workers on the right is from!

I just get a hinkey feeling about these people...JMO

http://www.4familycare.com/job_info.php?dz=42676&mena=USD

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Van%20der%20Sloot/HELP%20JORAN%20WEBSITE/4FamilyCareAd1.jpg)(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Van%20der%20Sloot/HELP%20JORAN%20WEBSITE/4FamilyCareAd2.jpg)

Larger pictures from the ad...

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Comparisons from King Casino brochure photos:

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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: klaasend on September 06, 2010, 10:33:30 PM
Someone needs to explain to Anita that Joran would not qualify for being sent to the NL to serve his sentence because he is awaiting extradition to the U.S. on his extortion warrant.  Peru and the US already have extradition treaties in place. 

I talked to someone from the NL over the weekend and they said that this "girlfriend" is just am embassy worker that would be made available to anybody from the NL and Joran is likely lying about it being anything more.  Note that she is in her 30's and so not age appropriate for Joran.

Like everything else, he's just lying some more.

The only place Joran is going to go should he ever leave Peru is to the US to face charges here.  Anita is dreaming that the whole world is trying to get her psycho kid out of jail.  She needs to talk to an international lawyer before doing these idiotic things unless of course, it is for other prisoners benefit she is working.  Hers ain't going anywhere from Peru except maybe to Levenworth to stand trial again.

And extortion carries a very heavy sentence in this country, more than murder in NL.

Just saying. . . .

I choose to believe 100% with the above  ::MonkeyGavel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: klaasend on September 06, 2010, 10:35:41 PM
TM - looks like the same guy to me.  ::MonkeyCool::


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Post by: texasmom on September 06, 2010, 10:37:09 PM
Sorry....that last post of mine is a mile long.   ::MonkeyShocked:: :oops:



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: klaasend on September 06, 2010, 10:51:01 PM
http://www.cancuntravel.com/hotels/cancun/avalon-grand/reviews/

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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: klaasend on September 06, 2010, 10:53:27 PM
http://www.freepaulcortez.org/2008/05/new-blog-releas.html

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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: robots on September 06, 2010, 11:13:15 PM
perhaps the reason UGLANITA wants the delicious sporter out as soon as possible is because she realizes
the implications of him being asked more questions about when he killed Natalee. and the delicious sporter whether true or not he can and would possibly inplicate UGLANITA  which would make her future a tad more difficult.... JORANUGLY is capable of telling whoppers mixed in with lettuce and pickles and the occasional dabble of scanty truth...

UGLANITA is skeeerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrred

she doesnt care about the PIG she wants to be able to sell paintings..........

Robots out


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on September 06, 2010, 11:16:33 PM
perhaps the reason UGLANITA wants the delicious sporter out as soon as possible is because she realizes
the implications of him being asked more questions about when he killed Natalee. and the delicious sporter whether true or not he can and would possibly inplicate UGLANITA  which would make her future a tad more difficult.... JORANUGLY is capable of telling whoppers mixed in with lettuce and pickles and the occasional dabble of scanty truth...

UGLANITA is skeeerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrred

she doesnt care about the PIG she wants to be able to sell paintings..........

Robots out

Agreed Robots.Once Joran knows for a fact that he has NO chance of getting out he'll be MUCH MORE inclined to spill more beans!JMOO


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: MuffyBee on September 06, 2010, 11:16:38 PM
perhaps the reason UGLANITA wants the delicious sporter out as soon as possible is because she realizes
the implications of him being asked more questions about when he killed Natalee. and the delicious sporter whether true or not he can and would possibly inplicate UGLANITA  which would make her future a tad more difficult....
JORANUGLY is capable of telling whoppers mixed in with lettuce and pickles and the occasional dabble of scanty truth...

UGLANITA is skeeerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrred

she doesnt care about the PIG she wants to be able to sell paintings..........

Robots out


That makes a lot of sense, Robots.   ::rhino:: 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Magnolia on September 06, 2010, 11:20:20 PM
perhaps the reason UGLANITA wants the delicious sporter out as soon as possible is because she realizes
the implications of him being asked more questions about when he killed Natalee. and the delicious sporter whether true or not he can and would possibly inplicate UGLANITA  which would make her future a tad more difficult.... JORANUGLY is capable of telling whoppers mixed in with lettuce and pickles and the occasional dabble of scanty truth...

UGLANITA is skeeerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrred

she doesnt care about the PIG she wants to be able to sell paintings..........

Robots out


I think you've got it figured out, Robots!  Good to see you. ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: msmarple on September 06, 2010, 11:25:19 PM
I'm sure someone has picked up on this by now (I'm trying to catch up).

From the article klaas posted a couple of pages back --

http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Felcomercio.pe%2Fnoticia%2F634765%2Fjoran-van-der-sloot-se-responsabilizara-asesinato-stephany-flores-segun-prensa-holandesa&sl=es&tl=en&hl=&ie=UTF-8 (http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Felcomercio.pe%2Fnoticia%2F634765%2Fjoran-van-der-sloot-se-responsabilizara-asesinato-stephany-flores-segun-prensa-holandesa&sl=es&tl=en&hl=&ie=UTF-8)

“ ‘I wanted to make a trip to the family of Natalee because these five years I have life miserable,’ admitted the Dutchman to explain his attempt to blackmail.”

<snip>

“The Dutchman said further that the prison has time to think because in the past five years has only thought of ‘fun’ and ‘money’, without thinking of the future.”

Conflicting statements, in the same interview. The goon is slipping.

Poor pitiful Joran. He's ENTITLED to say, for money, whatever he likes, as often as he likes, about Natalee's demise.
 
He just didn't like the end play, where he was criticized, chased, re-investigated -- if that made him miserable, he should have kept his yap shut.

But he wasn't "miserable" enough to stop. Natalee Holloway has been his unique ATM. Inflicting further misery on her family gets Rewards Points.

I wish these interviews would CEASE. Can't that prison shut them down? All I want to hear about this double murderer is that he is locked up for good.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: robots on September 06, 2010, 11:26:46 PM
nice to see all of you

i recently saw some arubans,   yuck...........   and no i did not go that hell hole but i did see some

i had to take a lot of showers....... ::MonkeyJnBox::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Magnolia on September 06, 2010, 11:29:46 PM
nice to see all of you

i recently saw some arubans,   yuck...........   and no i did not go that hell hole but i did see some

i had to take a lot of showers....... ::MonkeyJnBox::


Were you skeeeeeeeered of them Arubans? ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Magnolia on September 06, 2010, 11:32:42 PM
Sorry....that last post of mine is a mile long.   ::MonkeyShocked:: :oops:



Longest post I ever saw. ::MonkeyDance::

The copy and paste crew will have a hard time with that one. ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: billb's daughter on September 06, 2010, 11:34:28 PM
urine and anita are so sick...never any sympathy for urine's victims, Natalee and Stephany and probably others....Time may tell.....
I am getting tired of the networks 'breaking news' crap allowing urine/anita/others making money off of their evil deeds....Judgment day will get them both....
Urine won't be so smug when he is eventually sentenced and the prison doors are closed with him behind them for the rest of his life......


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on September 06, 2010, 11:36:42 PM
urine and anita are so sick...never any sympathy for urine's victims, Natalee and Stephany and probably others....Time may tell.....
I am getting tired of the networks 'breaking news' crap allowing urine/anita/others making money off of their evil deeds....Judgment day will get them both....
Urine won't be so smug when he is eventually sentenced and the prison doors are closed with him behind them for the rest of his life......

This is when the FUN will start,"IF" the reaper ain't first... ::MonkeyCool::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: robots on September 06, 2010, 11:36:52 PM
hmmmmm..... not really skeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeered  of them

but i was skerrrrrrrrrrrred i might say something that would send me to jail..



 
nice to see all of you

i recently saw some arubans,   yuck...........   and no i did not go that hell hole but i did see some

i had to take a lot of showers....... ::MonkeyJnBox::


Were you skeeeeeeeered of them Arubans? ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on September 06, 2010, 11:40:55 PM
Sorry....that last post of mine is a mile long.   ::MonkeyShocked:: :oops:



Longest post I ever saw. ::MonkeyDance::

The copy and paste crew will have a hard time with that one. ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: msmarple on September 06, 2010, 11:44:14 PM
nice to see all of you

i recently saw some arubans,   yuck...........   and no i did not go that hell hole but i did see some

i had to take a lot of showers....... ::MonkeyJnBox::

Did you run into them at the airport?  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Great to see you robots.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: robots on September 06, 2010, 11:46:51 PM
close....
there was a whole team of them and their idiotic supporters

ughhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh




nice to see all of you

i recently saw some arubans,   yuck...........   and no i did not go that hell hole but i did see some

i had to take a lot of showers....... ::MonkeyJnBox::

Did you run into them at the airport?  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Great to see you robots.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on September 07, 2010, 12:05:09 AM
JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY &STEPHANY FLORES

GOODNIGHT & GOD BLESS

KEEPTHEFAITH

 ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: texasmom on September 07, 2010, 12:11:27 AM
Sorry....that last post of mine is a mile long.   ::MonkeyShocked:: :oops:



Longest post I ever saw. ::MonkeyDance::

The copy and paste crew will have a hard time with that one. ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyDevil::

 ::bananadance:: ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: texasmom on September 07, 2010, 12:15:32 AM
close....
there was a whole team of them and their idiotic supporters

ughhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh




nice to see all of you

i recently saw some arubans,   yuck...........   and no i did not go that hell hole but i did see some

i had to take a lot of showers....... ::MonkeyJnBox::

Did you run into them at the airport?  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Great to see you robots.

Did you see tickle me Tito?   ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: klaasend on September 07, 2010, 12:17:47 AM
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/ticklemetito3.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: texasmom on September 07, 2010, 12:23:58 AM
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/ticklemetito3.jpg)
::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: klaasend on September 07, 2010, 12:28:57 AM
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/TitoDance.gif)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: texasmom on September 07, 2010, 12:46:34 AM
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/TitoDance.gif)

The only thing missing is the sweat!   ::MonkeyDevil::

http://www.coolaruba.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=1577907&g2_highlightId=1578225

After his practically dirty dancing with Jacqueline Suttle at the Press day event he was sweating almost as bad as Paulus!  ewwww!

(http://www.coolaruba.com/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=1578227&g2_serialNumber=3)

(http://www.coolaruba.com/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=1578239&g2_serialNumber=3)

you can see it better here!   ::MonkeyShocked::

(http://www.coolaruba.com/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=1578218&g2_serialNumber=3)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on September 07, 2010, 12:53:20 AM
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/TitoDance.gif)

I know it's not nice, but I have thought of him as a sh*thead since he posted here and made those remarks about Natalee.  What a ______________. (fill in the blank)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: klaasend on September 07, 2010, 01:14:48 AM
I think Tito's problem was more the mindset of the entire island.  If a girl is drinking in a bar she must be "asking for it".  The same reason the first reports were all three admitted having sex with Natalee.  I'm sure they were shocked to find out the rest of the world didn't think that was OK.   ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Magnolia on September 07, 2010, 01:27:21 AM
I think Tito's problem was more the mindset of the entire island.  If a girl is drinking in a bar she must be "asking for it".  The same reason the first reports were all three admitted having sex with Natalee.  I'm sure they were shocked to find out the rest of the world didn't think that was OK.   ::MonkeyNoNo::


And they resent the tourists because they are dependent on them, but despise admitting it. IMO


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: carpe noctem on September 07, 2010, 02:05:57 AM
I really enjoyed the part of the interview where Joran the Multiple Murderer
admits what we highly suspected...

His life hasn't been worth living since the day he killed Natalee.


It has been a global team effort to make sure that boy's life is not worth living.

...and worth every minute of it, the way I see it. ::MonkeyBike::

A Sloot without a death sentence is like a corn flake without the milk!

ESAD Anita - and remember, you need to cover up those old wrinkled sand bags when you dance. Ain't nobody want to see those said things, luv. 1979 called yesterday... said it is
time to put them away where they belong, girl. ::HelloKitty::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: texasmom on September 07, 2010, 03:35:36 AM
I really enjoyed the part of the interview where Joran the Multiple Murderer
admits what we highly suspected...

His life hasn't been worth living since the day he killed Natalee.


It has been a global team effort to make sure that boy's life is not worth living.

...and worth every minute of it, the way I see it. ::MonkeyBike::

A Sloot without a death sentence is like a corn flake without the milk!

ESAD Anita - and remember, you need to cover up those old wrinkled sand bags when you dance. Ain't nobody want to see those said things, luv. 1979 called yesterday... said it is
time to put them away where they belong, girl. ::HelloKitty::

You always say it so well Carpe!   ::MonkeyKiss::

And that jacket doesn't match that dress!  I guess she hoped to garner some sympathy with her boobs practically falling out and her mix matched outfit...and maybe she did from the usual sympathizers.  But I know good and well she had something more appropriate to wear to a social event that practically everybody that was anybody in Aruba attended!  If she gets another invitation she needs to dig a little deeper in her closet...and NO not the see through mess either!  ::MonkeyRoll::

I'd bet money I'm not the only one that's said something about it!   ::MonkeyWink::

She's probably been the talk of the town in more ways than one!   ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: texasmom on September 07, 2010, 03:41:11 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_Grad00o9.jpg)[


(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/StephanyFlores_takentoosoon-1.jpg)

TRUTH AND JUSTICE
FOR NATALEE AND STEPHANY!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Puzzler on September 07, 2010, 07:41:17 AM
Someone needs to explain to Anita that Joran would not qualify for being sent to the NL to serve his sentence because he is awaiting extradition to the U.S. on his extortion warrant.  Peru and the US already have extradition treaties in place. 

I talked to someone from the NL over the weekend and they said that this "girlfriend" is just am embassy worker that would be made available to anybody from the NL and Joran is likely lying about it being anything more.  Note that she is in her 30's and so not age appropriate for Joran.

Like everything else, he's just lying some more.

The only place Joran is going to go should he ever leave Peru is to the US to face charges here.  Anita is dreaming that the whole world is trying to get her psycho kid out of jail.  She needs to talk to an international lawyer before doing these idiotic things unless of course, it is for other prisoners benefit she is working.  Hers ain't going anywhere from Peru except maybe to Levenworth to stand trial again.

And extortion carries a very heavy sentence in this country, more than murder in NL.

Just saying. . . .

Anna, thanks for the info...interesting


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: MuffyBee on September 07, 2010, 09:36:03 AM
Good morning monkeys  ::HelloKitty::  Good morning camochance, BUCKSHOT, wreck, Cageman and  6 Guests are viewing this topic.   ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: klaasend on September 07, 2010, 09:42:40 AM
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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: klaasend on September 07, 2010, 09:45:44 AM
He's a sociopath and anyone that believes otherwise is incredibly stupid or gullible.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: klaasend on September 07, 2010, 10:32:31 AM
http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/09/07/peru.vandersloot/index.html?eref=mrss_igoogle_cnn

Van der Sloot: I've 'misused' Holloway case 'for my own advantage'

By the CNN Wire Staff
September 7, 2010 9:11 a.m. EDT

CNN) -- In a jailhouse interview with a Dutch television station, Joran van der Sloot said he is remorseful for telling so many stories regarding the 2005 disappearance of Alabama teenager Natalee Holloway, but once again denied culpability in the case.

"For everything that's happened since 2005, all the things said in the media and everything, I feel guilty for, yeah," van der Sloot, 22, said in the interview, portions of which were aired on NBC's "Today" on Tuesday.

The Dutch citizen is jailed in Lima, Peru, where he is awaiting trial on a murder charge in the death of Peruvian student Stephany Flores. Her body was found in May in a hotel room registered to van der Sloot, which the two were seen entering on surveillance camera video. He also is charged with a count of wire fraud and a count of extortion in Alabama for allegedly trying to extort more than $250,000 from Holloway's family in return for disclosing the location of her body.

Holloway was last seen in the early hours of May 30, 2005, leaving an Oranjestad, Aruba, nightclub with van der Sloot and two other men, brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe. She was visiting the island with about 100 classmates to celebrate their graduation from Mountain Brook High School in suburban Birmingham, Alabama.

Van der Sloot was arrested twice in Aruba in connection with Holloway's disappearance, but was never charged. He has denied responsibility for her disappearance.

In the interview, van der Sloot said he feels guilty about his father's fatal heart attack, for not listening to his mother and for telling lies, as well as his past behavior.

"I was doing a lot of things that I shouldn't have been doing, and mostly only going out all the night and sleeping all the day," he said, describing himself as "impulsive."

Asked why he's told so many different stories about the Holloway case, he said, "There were people who were paying me to make up stories, and I was really good at making up stories. Everybody keeps coming at you asking questions ... if you want something, I'll tell you whatever you want to hear, sure."

Still, he said, he has "misused the situation for my own advantage." He said he feels bad about that and would take it back if he had the opportunity.

It's a familiar refrain, said John Q. Kelly, an attorney for Holloway's mother, Beth Twitty.

"He's always a victim. He's always seeking attention. He's always misunderstood and someday he's absolutely going to tell the truth," Kelly said on NBC. "... He's a pathological liar."

He said it was van der Sloot who contacted him about revealing the location of Holloway's body in exchange for payment. "We knew he was going to lie, and was going to make up the basis for wire fraud," Kelly said.

"It's attention-seeking behavior, as simple as that," he said. "He wants to be in the spotlight ... he just can't help himself."

Van der Sloot would not answer questions about the Flores case, saying it is "not in my best interest to talk about it at all." But he maintains police tricked him into making a confession, saying they would not let him call his mother, talk to anyone or arrange for an attorney.

Police said van der Sloot admitted that he attacked Flores, 21, on May 30 after she read an e-mail in his computer connected with the Holloway case. After killing Flores, police say, van der Sloot took money and bank cards from her wallet and fled to Chile, where he was arrested June 3.

He was returned the next day to Peru.

Asked about the extortion case, van der Sloot said, "I have had five years long that people have just been blaming me for something, and yeah, I have a lot of anger built up because of that." He said the Holloway family kept insisting he had information, and wanted to give him the money, so he thought, "I've already told a lot of different stories. I'll do it again." He added, "I know it's very wrong."

On Twitty's reaction to that statement, Kelly said, "I think in deference to Beth, I won't repeat what she said about what he had to say."  ::MonkeyCool::

He said he isn't surprised that van der Sloot admitted the extortion, saying he has more than three weeks of e-mails between himself and van der Sloot, as well as audio and videotapes.

Van der Sloot said in the interview he wished he'd gone along with his mother's plan and sought psychiatric treatment, but instead he took the money and went to Peru to gamble, according to NBC.

Van der Sloot also spoke about Flores' family, saying, "I feel really bad that her family had to lose a daughter. It really does hurt me. I think about it all the time."

Asked if he will ever disclose what happened, he said, "When I speak to the judge, and the time is right, I'm going to tell the whole truth, absolutely."

"I've got 20 e-mails where he says he's very sorry for what happened, he's going to tell the truth, absolutely," Kelly said. "... He's just incapable of it."

He said if van der Sloot ever does tell the truth, he believes it will be out of a sense of self-preservation and fear -- not his conscience or respect for either Holloway's or his own family.

In the interview, van der Sloot acknowledged he has a "web of problems. But I created all of them myself, so yeah, I have to deal with it now, deal with the consequences."

Van der Sloot also admitted he extorted money from Holloway's family in an interview with a Dutch newspaper. His attorney in the Flores case suggested Monday that his comments may have been mis-translated.

In that interview, van der Sloot told the Telegraph he wanted to "get back at Natalee's family. Her parents have been making my life tough for years."

"When they offered to pay for the girl's location, I thought: 'Why not?'" he said.

"Maybe there were some mistakes in the translation," said attorney Maximo Alteza, who said he is not involved in the Holloway case.

Also Monday, a Peruvian court voted 2-1 to reject van der Sloot's contention that he is being held unlawfully, but the court requires three votes to secure a decision. Alteza said that a fourth jurist will hear the case and cast a vote at a public hearing next week. If that judge votes in favor of van der Sloot, a fifth judge will hear the case to break the tie.

Alteza said that van der Sloot's constitutional rights have been violated and he "could be released because of the mistakes made by the police during the investigation."

But Kelly pointed out Tuesday that if he is released, van der Sloot will be held in Alabama on the charges related to extortion.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Monken on September 07, 2010, 10:43:06 AM
He's a sociopath and anyone that believes otherwise is incredibly stupid or gullible.

Without a doubt!! He is textbook psychopath!! He has no "feelings", he is incapable of it!! And whats this crap about "He's sorry Stephany's family HAD to lose a daughter"!!! WTF!!! I hate that p.o.s.  ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 07, 2010, 11:08:11 AM
IF he is released???

I still cannot comprehend why there is a possibility that Joran van der Sloot would be released if the confession is thrown out.  The hard evidence ... the video evidence should be enough to arrest and charge him with something in regards to the murder of Stephany.

If Joran is released ... the implication is that he will not be held accountable for his participation encompassing the deaths of both Natalee and Stephany.  Murphy's Law implies the chances of this happening is very remote unless there is stuff going on behind the scenes by higher ups.

IMO

Janet

+++++++

Van der Sloot: I've 'misused' Holloway case 'for my own advantage'By the CNN Wire Staff
September 7, 2010 9:11 a.m. EDT


Alteza said that van der Sloot's constitutional rights have been violated and he "could be released because of the mistakes made by the police during the investigation."

But Kelly pointed out Tuesday that if he is released, van der Sloot will be held in Alabama on the charges related to extortion.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/09/07/peru.vandersloot/index.html?eref=mrss_igoogle_cnn


Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Page 183
- Helen is very positive. "It looks good that they will remain in custody." she says.  Then about three hours after she tells me this encouraging news, a devastating call comes from an AP reporter.

"Paulus van der Sloot and his attorney are bragging to everyone that all three suspects are getting out day after tomorrow!

Then all the media start calling.  I call Helen, then FBI agent Bill and the U.S. vice-consul.  None of them have this information.  So we tell the media it must be a rumor.  But the word is out all over the island to the defense side that all three suspects will walk.

Four and a half hours after this announcement is made to international media by Joran's father and his defense team, the FBI calls to tell me it is indeed true.  So the three suspects who were last seen with my daughter, and who offered multiple versions of what happened that night, will go free.  And we are the last ones to find out.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: RoxiBalboa on September 07, 2010, 11:31:33 AM
Is it just me or is Joran starting to look like Rudy Croes?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Magnolia on September 07, 2010, 11:36:27 AM
Is it just me or is Joran starting to look like Rudy Croes?

I thought the same thing last night.  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Remember what Private Eye said about Rudy Croes?  Something to the effect of
the south end of a goat heading north. ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: SuzieQ on September 07, 2010, 12:27:02 PM
Well,well it looks like Joran has finally made it. He made Perez Hilton's Blog Lol He must be sooooo happy.

http://perezhilton.com/2010-09-06-ugh-joran-van-der-sloot-admits-to-extorting-money-from-natalee-holloways-parents

Ugh! Joran Van der Sloot Admits To Extorting Money From Natalee Holloway's Parents!
Filed under: Icky Icky Poo > Legal Matters > Sad Sad


Deplorable! The nerve of this guy!

Joran Van der Sloot still remains behind bars in Peru after ruthlessly murdering a 21-year-old Peruvian woman, but that hasn't stopped him from taking interviews.

Joran is more famously known for another murder, that of Natalee Holloway. For years, Natalee's parents have tried their damnedest to learn what happen to their daughter and how she was murdered. It is widely believed that Joran killed poor Natalee and though he has denied it countless times, he didn't see the harm in profiting from it. During his most recent interview from prison, Joran admitted to extorting money from Natalee Holloway's parents - for revenge!

He revealed that he vengefully accepted money from the couple, in exchange for revealing the location of Natalee's body. He explains to a Dutch newspaper:

"I wanted to get back at Natalee's family. Her parents have been making my life tough for five years. When they offered to pay for the girl's location, I thought: 'Why not?'"

Why not? WHY NOT?! How about because no matter what you've gone through the last five years, they've been going through 10 times worse! Their daughter is dead - murdered! Probably by your hands!

What audacity! We hope he gets everything he's got coming to him!

 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on September 07, 2010, 12:28:21 PM
:roll:

Van der Sloot "feels guilty"

Last Update: 11:11 am  today
Birmingham, Al (WIAT)  Joran van der Sloot says he has no culpability for Natalee Holloway's disappearance but that he feels guilty for a lot of what he's done since.

"For everything that's happened since 2005, all the things said in the media and everything, I feel guilty for, yeah," van der Sloot, 22, said in the interview that aired on Dutch TV last night.

In the interview, conducted in his cell in Lima, Peru's Castro Castro prison, van der Sloot said he feels guilty about his father's fatal heart attack, for not listening to his mother and for telling lies, as well as his past behavior.

"I was doing a lot of things that I shouldn't have been doing, and mostly only going out all the night and sleeping all the day," he said, describing himself as "impulsive."

Van der Sloot was also asked why he's told so many different stories about Natalee Holloway's fate...including confessions with details that turned out to be fake.

"There were people who were paying me to make up stories, and I was really good at making up stories. Everybody keeps coming at you asking questions ... if you want something, I'll tell you whatever you want to hear, sure."

He went on to say he has "misused the situation for my own advantage."

Excerpts of the interview ran on the Today show followed by comments by a Holloway family attorney.
It's a familiar refrain, said John Q. Kelly, an attorney for Holloway's mother, Beth Twitty.

"He's always a victim. He's always seeking attention. He's always misunderstood and someday he's absolutely going to tell the truth," Kelly said on NBC. "... He's a pathological liar."

He said it was van der Sloot who contacted him about revealing the location of Holloway's body in exchange for payment. "We knew he was going to lie, and was going to make up the basis for wire fraud," Kelly said. "It's attention-seeking behavior, as simple as that," "Hewants to be in the spotlight ... he just can't help himself."

Van der Sloot conceded in the Dutch TV interview that taking money from the Holloway family in exchange for information about Natalee's fate was a scam.  He faces federal charges here in Birmingham for wire fraud and extortion.

Extradition to Alabama to face those charges is pending while van der Sloot faces murder charges in Peru in the death of 21 year old Stephany Flores, a student he met in a casino in Lima.  Her body was found in van der Sloot's hotel room five years to the day of Natalee Holloway's disappearance in Aruba.
http://www.cbs42.com/content/localnews/story/Van-der-Sloot-feels-guilty/MATtB8P_60-1mpA0vwFzrA.cspx



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 07, 2010, 12:54:17 PM
Janet - I don't believe Joran will be released.  If by some chance Joran is released, I suspect there will be people, friends of Stephany's father that will make sure he dies.  It is my opinion that right now Joran is safer in any prison than he is on the outside and I don't think he's very safe in prison. 

The rational world knows that Joran is a murderer.  If they didn't know 5 years ago they know now.

Klaas

I didn't think Joran and his big mouth would have lasted five years and ... I was wrong.  To avoid possible exposure ... I was positive those in the  Aruba/Dutch administrations ...  those who participated in the cover up agenda that has prevented justice form prevailing for Natalee Holloway ... would have permanently silenced this guy by now ... silenced this guy prior to bringing them all down.

Janet

++++

Police Officers?

Joran van der Sloot Goes 'On the Record' with New Natalee Holloway Story
Tuesday, November 25, 2008


GRETA VAN SUSTEREN: And I will. I mean, you told me, one of the things you told me - this is - and what I want to do is use this with leverage is that (NAME DELETED) was paid off, and another police officer was paid off by your father.

JORAN VAN DER SLOOT: You know something, Greta, though, I don't really want to do this, actually. I don't. This is not actually what we agreed on.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,457144,00.html




Higher Ups?

Disposed - Patrick Vander Eem

PATRICK: Where the f*** is she Joran?
JORAN: I don’t know precisely.
PATRICK: How is it that you don’t know?
JORAN: Yea—
PATRICK: Higher power?
JORAN: Higher power—powers


Paulus van der Sloot

Joran van der Sloot Goes 'On the Record' with New Natalee Holloway Story
Tuesday, November 25, 2008


GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, HOST: Joran contacted us, claiming he wanted to tell us the truth about what happened that night. He produced as evidence three telephone conversations saved on a digital chip. Joran claims the recordings are conversations between his father and him. If authentic, the recording suggest that Joran told his father what happened to Natalee.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,457144,00.html


Holloway attorney details van der Sloot sting
updated 6/11/2010 12:58:39 PM ET


Van der Sloot and Kelly signed a contract, and van der Sloot took the lawyer on a drive to show where Holloway’s remains were.  He pointed out a house and said his father had helped dispose of the body in the foundation.

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/37635627


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Jo-An on September 07, 2010, 12:56:46 PM
http://www.ad.nl/ad/nl/1000/nieuws/article/detail/510354/2010/09/07/Advocaat-vindt-interview-met-Joran-onbegrijpelijk.dhtml

Google translation

Lawyer: interview with Joran is incomprehensible

AMSTERDAM - The Dutch lawyer for Joran van der Sloot a mystery why circus Joran's yet again gave a performance. That said the lawyer after the television interview that Van der Sloot gave to crime reporter John van den Heuvel.

"No, it is generally not useful for defendants to seek publicity,''says Bert de Rooij in the Volkskrant. "There already exists a certain image and attention to help often do not.''

Van der Sloot is now, on suspicion of murder on the Peruvian girl Stephany Flores, stuck in the Peruvian Castro Castro prison in Lima. In addition, the Dutchman still seen as suspect in the disappearance case of American teenager Natalee Holloway, who disappeared in Aruba in 2005 after a night out with Van der Sloot.

Holloway highlighted
Besides known Joran, opposite Van den Heuvel, Holloway's family have been informed by, while at initiation of the family, paid to tell where he had buried body of Holloway. After an amount of $ 250,000 to have asked for information, which an advance of 25,000 in cash was paid to him, he sent the Holloway met a fob off the legs and took to Peru.

Joran gave the camera on several occasions, especially to think about himself.''Although he says is currently engaging in spiritual matters, the interview creates an image of a narcissistic young man horny on publicity. Faced with the question if Joran is addicted to attention, says lawyer The Rooij,''not to be behavioral. He would not say it publicly. 'Such publicity is not in the interest of Joran.''

'Usually not practical''
De Rooij is an interview, therefore, not normally useful.''He wants the Peruvian lawyer for Van der Sloot is not the driving wheels. "Perhaps he has something up where it just fits perfectly. Moreover, I'm not his nanny,''said the lawyer. More on the case he would not say. Fact is that since Joran in America is sought, the outpouring him there in 50 years' imprisonment may come to stand.

Joran says in the interview to have acted out of revenge. He wanted to Holloway a heel for the fact that she was five years long behind him boost. The offer made to him that the family, used in Van der Sloots street and thought, why not?''An act which he now says sorry to have. Joran himself expected, for a long time''stuck.


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Post by: darleenofalabama on September 07, 2010, 01:02:22 PM
Hello, Y'all!!

I just read about that multiple murder's interview; in The New York Post, he says he "feels guilty about everything"--well, that's because he IS guilty of everything.  Psycho nutcase.

Oh, and when I was typing the web address to get here, I found myself typing in "smartmonkeys" instead of "scaredmonkeys"; Freudian slip.


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Post by: Northern Rose on September 07, 2010, 01:14:24 PM
Dutchman's lawyer Bert de Rooij reacted with surprise to the interview with Joran van der Sloot in the Netherlands television. In this interview, Van der Sloot allegedly defrauded the parents of the girl murdered Natalee Holloway.

The appearance of Van der Sloot on camera was considered unwise by the lawyer of the Dutchman, who does not understand that the young man imprisoned in Peru has been given again to the media circus surrounding his case.

De Rooij, which represents the interests of Joran van der Sloot in the Netherlands, considered undesirable the interview given by his client to television. According to counsel, it is generally unwise for the defendants seek publicity. "We may have talked to Joran Peruvian lawyer and this fits snugly into a plan .. I do not know anything about it and do not want to dwell on the subject, I do not want to obstruct their work. "

In the television interview (with journalist John van den Heuvel events) Joran Van der Sloot says he indicated to the parents of Natalee Holloway the place where the corpse of his daughter, for what they demanded in exchange for an upfront payment of $ 25,000. Once you pay the sum, Holloway did not come to see the young Dutchman. In the place indicated nothing was found.

In early July, Van der Sloot was accused of extortion in the United States. According to U.S. justice, demanded $ 250,000 Dutchman's mother Nathalee in return for revealing the exact spot where the body was his daughter. Van der Sloot remains the main suspect in the case of the disappearance of American teenager. For the accused Dutchman, extortion of the family of Natalee Holloway is a kind of revenge:

"I should not have, but at the time I just thought: will continue to say for five years that I know something: it makes one angry."

On the racketeering added later: "When I offered to pay me for the location of the girl, I thought, why not? It's something I now regret."

Van der Sloot has been in prison since early June in Lima, accused of killing the young Peruvian Stephany Flores. Days after Stephany was found dead in a hotel room, the fugitive Van der Sloot was arrested in Chile and extradited to the Peruvian authorities. The Dutchman, who first admitted his guilt in the murder of 21 year old, later recanted his confession.

http://www.rnw.nl/espanol/article/abogado-holandes-sorprendido-por-entrevista-de-van-der-sloot


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Post by: darleenofalabama on September 07, 2010, 01:17:26 PM
Yeah, another thing he always does is trip up his own lawyers (not that he ever has a chance of defense with sane people).


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Post by: Tamikosmom on September 07, 2010, 01:21:11 PM
http://www.ad.nl/ad/nl/1000/nieuws/article/detail/510354/2010/09/07/Advocaat-vindt-interview-met-Joran-onbegrijpelijk.dhtml

Google translation

Lawyer: interview with Joran is incomprehensible

AMSTERDAM - The Dutch lawyer for Joran van der Sloot a mystery why circus Joran's yet again gave a performance. That said the lawyer after the television interview that Van der Sloot gave to crime reporter John van den Heuvel.

"No, it is generally not useful for defendants to seek publicity,''says Bert de Rooij in the Volkskrant. "There already exists a certain image and attention to help often do not.''

Van der Sloot is now, on suspicion of murder on the Peruvian girl Stephany Flores, stuck in the Peruvian Castro Castro prison in Lima. In addition, the Dutchman still seen as suspect in the disappearance case of American teenager Natalee Holloway, who disappeared in Aruba in 2005 after a night out with Van der Sloot.

Holloway highlighted
Besides known Joran, opposite Van den Heuvel, Holloway's family have been informed by, while at initiation of the family, paid to tell where he had buried body of Holloway. After an amount of $ 250,000 to have asked for information, which an advance of 25,000 in cash was paid to him, he sent the Holloway met a fob off the legs and took to Peru.

Joran gave the camera on several occasions, especially to think about himself.''Although he says is currently engaging in spiritual matters, the interview creates an image of a narcissistic young man horny on publicity. Faced with the question if Joran is addicted to attention, says lawyer The Rooij,''not to be behavioral. He would not say it publicly. 'Such publicity is not in the interest of Joran.''

'Usually not practical''
De Rooij is an interview, therefore, not normally useful.''He wants the Peruvian lawyer for Van der Sloot is not the driving wheels. "Perhaps he has something up where it just fits perfectly. Moreover, I'm not his nanny,''said the lawyer. More on the case he would not say. Fact is that since Joran in America is sought, the outpouring him there in 50 years' imprisonment may come to stand.

Joran says in the interview to have acted out of revenge. He wanted to Holloway a heel for the fact that she was five years long behind him boost. The offer made to him that the family, used in Van der Sloots street and thought, why not?''An act which he now says sorry to have. Joran himself expected, for a long time''stuck.

Thanks Jo-An

It appears that attorney Maximo Alteza is attempting some damage control in regards to his client's recent interview.

Janet

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Dutch paper: Van der Sloot admits extortionBy the CNN Wire Staff
September 6, 2010 4:40 p.m. EDT


(CNN) -- Joran van der Sloot admitted in an interview with a Dutch newspaper that he extorted money from the family of Natalee Holloway, but his attorney in a Peruvian murder case suggested Monday that his client's comments may have been mistranslated.

Attorney Maximo Alteza said he is not involved in the case of Holloway, the Alabama teenager who disappeared in Aruba after going out on the town with van der Sloot, and was reluctant to comment on van der Sloot's interview with The Telegraph.

"Maybe there were some mistakes in the translation," he said. Alteza said van der Sloot was not paid for the interview.

"I wanted to get back at Natalee's family," van der Sloot said from prison in the Dutch interview. "Her parents have been making my life tough for five years."

"When they offered to pay for the girl's location, I thought: 'Why not?'" he said.

Van der Sloot faces a count of wire fraud and a count of extortion in the United States for allegedly trying to extort more than $250,000 from Holloway's family in return for the location of her body. He has denied responsibility for her disappearance.

He was arrested twice in Aruba in connection with the Holloway case but has never been charged.

The 22-year-old Dutch citizen is awaiting trial in Lima, Peru, where he stands accused of killing Stephany Flores in a hotel room.

Also Monday, a Peruvian court voted 2-1 to reject van der Sloot's contention that he is being held unlawfully, but the court requires three votes to secure a decision. Alteza said that a fourth jurist will hear the case and cast a vote at a public hearing next week. If that judge votes in favor of van der Sloot, a fifth judge will hear the case to break the tie.

Alteza said that van der Sloot's constitutional rights have been violated and he "could be released because of the mistakes made by the police during the investigation."

"It doesn't matter if he is innocent or guilty," he said.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/09/06/peru.vandersloot.extortion/?hpt=T2


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Post by: Northern Rose on September 07, 2010, 01:22:33 PM
Joran van der Sloot is still falling in ambiguities
States that only tell their truth about the murder of the young student to the judge.

Joran van der Sloot still seems cold, cynical and calculating. While being held for three months in prison, accused of killing the young Stephany Flores, the Dutchman continues to play with the ambiguities of his confession.

In an interview with the newspaper De Telegraaf Netherlands, and broadcast on private channel RTL4A, the alien has not denied nor agreed to be the perpetrator of the student. Once again, Van der Sloot was ambiguous when asked whether it was he who killed Flores. But he said only what his testimony given before the judge in charge of the process.

YES AND NO. As in the case of American Natalee Holloway disappeared in Aruba in 2005 - the Dutchman proved his cunning to play with the expectation of the public and the press with some confusing statements.

In the interview, Joran refused to give details of what happened on 29 May at the Miraflores hotel TAC, where he found the body of Stephany Flores.

From Holland, Ivar Penris, AD Nieuws journalist, told Perú.21 that the alleged killer said he was very sorry for the family of Flores, who was killed in the same room where he was staying. "I think what happened is horrible for the family", said since the Castro Castro prison.

His lawyer, Max Highness, said Van der Sloot admitted only declared when habeas corpus requesting the annulment of the first statement to police as illegal.

However, the Third Criminal Chamber Inmates in Jail determined that a fourth judge in open court decides if it is declared unfounded the amparo action filed by the defense of the Netherlands.

EXTORTION CONFESS. On the other hand, Joran admitted having received money from the Holloway family in exchange for revealing the whereabouts of the girl who, however, was not found in the designated area for their alleged murderer.

Van der Sloot said he did it for revenge. "They have made my life hard for five years. When offered to pay for the location of the girl, I thought, 'Why not?, But now I regret it,' "he said.

Natalee's mother come to Lima in the coming weeks to meet with Ricardo Flores, father of Stephany.

http://peru21.pe/impresa/noticia/joran-van-der-sloot-sigue-cayendo-ambiguedades/2010-09-07/284526


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Post by: MisGivings on September 07, 2010, 01:30:16 PM
Today video:

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Did anyone else yell, 'BASTARD' while watching his laughing smug ass speak?
GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR


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Post by: Kermit on September 07, 2010, 01:51:11 PM
IF he is released???

I still cannot comprehend why there is a possibility that Joran van der Sloot would be released if the confession is thrown out.  The hard evidence ... the video evidence should be enough to arrest and charge him with something in regards to the murder of Stephany.

If Joran is released ... the implication is that he will not be held accountable for his participation encompassing the deaths of both Natalee and Stephany.  Murphy's Law implies the chances of this happening is very remote unless there is stuff going on behind the scenes by higher ups.

IMO

Janet

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Van der Sloot: I've 'misused' Holloway case 'for my own advantage'By the CNN Wire Staff
September 7, 2010 9:11 a.m. EDT


Alteza said that van der Sloot's constitutional rights have been violated and he "could be released because of the mistakes made by the police during the investigation."

But Kelly pointed out Tuesday that if he is released, van der Sloot will be held in Alabama on the charges related to extortion.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/09/07/peru.vandersloot/index.html?eref=mrss_igoogle_cnn


Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Page 183
- Helen is very positive. "It looks good that they will remain in custody." she says.  Then about three hours after she tells me this encouraging news, a devastating call comes from an AP reporter.

"Paulus van der Sloot and his attorney are bragging to everyone that all three suspects are getting out day after tomorrow!

Then all the media start calling.  I call Helen, then FBI agent Bill and the U.S. vice-consul.  None of them have this information.  So we tell the media it must be a rumor.  But the word is out all over the island to the defense side that all three suspects will walk.

Four and a half hours after this announcement is made to international media by Joran's father and his defense team, the FBI calls to tell me it is indeed true.  So the three suspects who were last seen with my daughter, and who offered multiple versions of what happened that night, will go free.  And we are the last ones to find out.


He WILL be extricated to the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA! WHEN he is released from prison. No matter what the outcome of his prison time in Peru. No matter what he or his attorney try to embellish - he WILL be coming to the USA at some point in his criminal life!

(http://img823.imageshack.us/img823/6294/joraninterviewsept2010m.png)


(http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/5941/joraninterviewmsnbconto.png)






Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 07, 2010, 01:55:49 PM
Ribbit!

 ::HelloKitty::

Janet


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Post by: Tamikosmom on September 07, 2010, 02:01:03 PM
THE PERSISTENCE BETRAYAL

A Measure of Closure

There will be no Aruban justice for Natalee Holloway but ... there will be justice nevertheless.  The ultimate justice will be administered by The Judge of all judges ... The Judge who will not be mocked.  He knows every heart.

However ... if Aruba were to bow and return Natalee to her family ... maybe there could be measure of closure for her long suffering family.  John Silvetti, Kyle Kingman and Tim Trahan along with the ROV images could be the motivating force and ... there would be redemption to be gained in the process.
________

Galations 6: 7
Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap


Mark 8:36
What benefit will it be to you if you gain the whole world but lose your own soul?



Natalee Holloway's Mother

"We cannot forget to demand and expect to have Natalee. Natalee deserves to return to her country. She deserves it, and everyone knows it, every single person. Every single person knows that. They know it."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8485029/


Natalee Holloway's Stepfather

"Beth and I have been through this emotional roller coaster. And all we want is Natalee, whether she's alive or dead.  We want to bring her back to the United States, and they can do whatever they want to do."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8551824/


BUMPED!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: SuzieQ on September 07, 2010, 02:09:26 PM
http://blog.eyesforlies.com/2010/09/joran-van-der-sloot-speaks-out.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+EyesForLies+%28Eyes+for+Lies+Blog%29&utm_content=Twitter

We get to see Joran van der Sloot talk to a Dutch reporter in this video for the first time since Stefany Flores' murder. It is intriguing as the reporter says.

The first thing I notice is how much more down to earth Joran is at first. He says he feels guilty for everything he said in the media since 2005, "yeah", but that flash of reality quickly disappears as Joran continues talking. His arrogance and ego swiftly take over -- he just can't resist himself.


"I was doing a lot of things I shouldn't have been doing and mostly going out all the night and sleeping all the day," he continues with an arrogant smile.

We know immediately by his facial expressions and demeanor here that his sincerity is zip zero.

Joran still thinks he is smarter than everyone else, and he can dupe the world, but he does a horrible job of it, and everyone including their brother can see it in this interview. You don't need me to point it out.

Joran is smug. He smirks and smiles when it makes absolutely no sense. If he is feeling remorse and guilt as he says, his emotions, facial expressions and body language should support his speech, but instead they betray him.

Joran doesn't answer questions. He shrugs his shoulders when he makes statements that he wants us to believe he is confident about, when clearly he is not.

Joran is honest, however, when he says, "I have always been, uh, how do you call it, uh...um...impulsive. I've always been, eh, action right away, make a decision immediately and ah, and not think about what the consequences are."

Wow.

Joran said something truthful to get us to buy into his fabrications...a common trait of a liar. It's a clever method to make you question your stance, as most people believe we are all or nothing: Honest or a liar, and not a combination of the two. Its uncomfortable for us to hang in both realities that someone is honest and lies at the same time.

Watch Joran talk about how bad he feels for the Flores family. He couldn't be gloating anymore as he talks. It's sickening. He stumbles as he makes up his rhetoric.

He says, "I feel really that bad...uh... that her family had to lose a daughter, and it really... does hurt me (shoulder shrug), and i think about it all the time." His behavior, body language and emotions leak his true feelings. When he shrugs his shoulder here, its like he is thinking "What should I say, uh, I don't know...yeah, this..." Truly he does not speak from his heart or with any sincerity.

Joran says with laughter, "A web of problems, so I created all of them myself. Yeah. I have to deal with it now...deal with the consequences."

This statement is so telling. No innocent man locked up in prison for a murder or TWO that he didn't commit would say this, if they were being railroaded, as Joran so wishes we would believe--even if he did make poor choices. This sentence is all you need to see him say to see the truth.

Go back and read my first review of Joran on ABC after Natalee Holloway disappeared. Check out the comments, too. It's fascinating to read. A lot of people questioned me and were not sure that body language and words could betray a liar back then. That was long before Lie to Me. Now with all the developments in the Joran case, everyone can see Joran is a classic pathological liar and a psychopath. I wonder what my naysayers from back then would say today?




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on September 07, 2010, 02:15:43 PM
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Post by: texasmom on September 07, 2010, 02:23:18 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_77739.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

RTL-4 interview Joran good look

September 7, 2010, 13:00 (UTC -04:00)

ORANGE CITY / LONDON - The interview of crime reporter John van den Heuvel with Joran van der Sloot, which aired last night on RTL 4, by an average of nearly 1.8 million people viewed. It was thus the second most watched program that night. Only the NOS Journaal to eight hours drew more viewers.

According to figures released by the Research Foundation Watch, published Tuesday. Joran van den Heuvel interviewed in prison in Peru. He sits there on suspicion of the murder of the Peruvian Stephany Flores (21). The Dutchman is still a suspect in the case of the disappearance of the American girl Natalee Holloway in Aruba.

"I feel guilty for everything that has happened since 2005. For everything I've said in the media. "This is more what Joran said in the interview in prison. He says that the Indians invented stories by him, because he was paid for stories. " "And I'm just good at thinking up stories." And he says "always to have been impulsive," and he admitted that he has extorted the Holloway family. Parts of the interview today for the first time can be seen on American news channels.


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Post by: texasmom on September 07, 2010, 02:24:37 PM
He says that the Indians invented stories by him... 

You never know about those translations!   ::MonkeyHaHa::


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Post by: texasmom on September 07, 2010, 02:28:30 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_77720.php

Joran wanted to do Natalee’s family a bad turn

6 Sep, 2010, 08:23 (GMT -04:00)

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ORANJESTAD/LIMA — In an interview with crime reporter John van den Heuvel, Joran van der Sloot admitted he blackmailed the family of Natalee Holloway. “I wanted to do Natalee Holloway’s family a bad turn. Her parents made my life hell for five years already,” Joran says, explaining his action.

He is still a suspect in the case regarding the disappearance of the American teenager, who is untraceable since May 30th 2005. On blackmailing the Holloway-family Joran says, “When they offered to pay for the place where she could be found, I thought why not? I regret that now.” Joran was charged for this blackmail in the United States at the beginning of July. According to Justice, Joran demanded an amount of 250,000 dollars (over 200,000 euros) from Natalee’s mother to reveal the location of her daughter’s body.

Van den Heuvel had an interview before TV-station RTL4 with Joran who is in custody in the Castro Castro prison in Peru. He is suspected of murdering the Peruvian Stephan Flores (21). He supposedly murdered her on May 30th in his hotel room in Lima. Joran had not said a word during the first interrogation in the process on June 21st. He had made a confession earlier, but withdrew that later on. The entire interview with Joran van der Sloot will be broadcasted this evening at 20.30 hours on RTL4.

Public Prosecutor
It is no longer certain that delegates from the Aruban Public Prosecutor (OM) will travel to Peru to interrogate Joran van der Sloot in the Natalee Holloway case. On June 15th of this year, the Peruvian authorities made agreements with the Aruban OM on a possible interrogation. At the time, Field Officer Peter Blanken stated that ‘co-workers from the OM and the police would travel to Peru within four months’ time to interrogate Joran van der Sloot’. The reason to interrogate Joran in Peru regarded his wish to speak with the Aruban authorities on the Natalee-case. However, in the morning newspaper Bon Dia, Blanken now says that due to the many contradictory statements ‘it is a waste of time’ to go to Peru for a story that may not based on the truth.


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Post by: Keepthefaith on September 07, 2010, 02:31:20 PM
Why doesn't Blanken go interrogate the sporter's mum? ::MonkeyCool::


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Post by: texasmom on September 07, 2010, 02:32:07 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_77716.php

‘Send violent Antilleans back’

6 Sep, 2010, 08:19 (GMT -04:00)

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AMSTERDAM — A Chamber majority of VVD, CDA and PVV find that violent Antilleans should return to the Antilles. Within a short period, there were three fatal shooting incidents of which all victims and suspects were Antilleans.

Last weekend, the 23-year old Quincy Johanna died at a shoot-out during an Antillean party in Zoetermeer. The sixteen-year-old teenager Quincy Schumans was shot dead in Amsterdam last week, while the Antillean Celio Balentina was shot dead two weeks ago after the carnival party Rio at the Rhine in Arnhem.

The NRC reports that the three parties only want to allow underprivileged Antilleans entry to the Netherlands if they have sight of a permanent job or going to follow an education. The parties want to raise the matter as soon as the new cabinet is installed. “We have no need for problem youngsters who do not contribute towards society”, says VVD-member Paul de Krom in the AD. The PVV wants to arrange that convicted Antilleans may never return. Sending back criminals has been a point of discussion for years now between the Netherlands and the Antilles. In 2007, the Council of State strongly advised against a similar enactment. At that time, the proposal had come from former minister for Aliens Affairs, Rita Verdonk, but the former cabinet withdrew such after the negative advice. Contrary to the new plan, the former proposal stated it was not necessary to have a judge convict Antilleans before they were sent back. In the former plan, it regarded youngsters between 16 and 24 years of age. A silent procession was held for Quincy Schumans yesterday. He was shot dead in the streets last Thursday. An eighteen year old suspect is in custody. The suspected killer was a friend of the victim, and no stranger to the police – just like Schumans. Quincy Johanna was shot dead around five o’clock in the morning in front of a party centre, where a party was going on with some 800 visitors. The victim died on the scene. After the shooting incident, the police apprehended three suspects from 36 and 38 years of age. Celio Balentina was no stranger to Justice in the Antilles. Via the TV-program Opsporing Verzocht, the corps Gelderland Midden called on people to provide information on Balentina’s background in order to understand the motive for the shoot-out better. Two suspects were apprehended in this case.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Kermit on September 07, 2010, 02:32:19 PM
Ribbit!

 ::HelloKitty::

Janet

Hi-ho


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Post by: Kermit on September 07, 2010, 02:32:50 PM
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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Kermit on September 07, 2010, 02:33:28 PM
One day pinetucky you really need to say something


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Post by: Magnolia on September 07, 2010, 02:36:22 PM
One day pinetucky you really need to say something

I have been thinking the same thing. ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Magnolia on September 07, 2010, 02:39:49 PM
Blanken is just saying that they have no interest in solving Natalee's case.

At least they could go and ask the sporter where Natalee's remains are.

Oh, I forgot...Aruban authorities already know that. ::piggy::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Kermit on September 07, 2010, 02:40:39 PM
One day pinetucky you really need to say something

I have been thinking the same thing. ::MonkeyCool::

like minds
 ::MonkeyCool::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: klaasend on September 07, 2010, 02:41:20 PM
Just because it feels good  ::MonkeyDevil::

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/penguinslapJoranMonkey.gif)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Kermit on September 07, 2010, 02:42:26 PM
Blanken is just saying that they have no interest in solving Natalee's case.

At least they could go and ask the sporter where Natalee's remains are.

Oh, I forgot...Aruban authorities already know that. ::piggy::

Heh Heh - why when the caps crew already told dave and half the internet where they can find her.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: MuffyBee on September 07, 2010, 02:43:05 PM
Just because it feels good  ::MonkeyDevil::

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/penguinslapJoranMonkey.gif)

 ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyDevil::












Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: klaasend on September 07, 2010, 02:48:24 PM
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/JoranBobbleHead.gif)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: klaasend on September 07, 2010, 02:53:17 PM
It's the INDIAN'S fault:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/PIMPS2.gif)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on September 07, 2010, 02:55:57 PM
It's the INDIAN'S fault:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/PIMPS2.gif)

My sentiments exactly.Joran continues to fire warning shots across the bow every now and then!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: klaasend on September 07, 2010, 02:56:58 PM
His future bride in the back  ::MonkeyCool::

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/CharlieRatAruba0607b.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: SunnyinTX on September 07, 2010, 02:57:31 PM
He's a sociopath and anyone that believes otherwise is incredibly stupid or gullible.

Amen!!!  that little smirky grin on his face needs to to slapped off daily!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: klaasend on September 07, 2010, 02:57:53 PM
I was looking for this a couple days ago  ::MonkeyDevil::

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/rubenchicken.gif)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Magnolia on September 07, 2010, 02:58:32 PM
Just because it feels good  ::MonkeyDevil::

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/penguinslapJoranMonkey.gif)


That is sorta the Scaredmonkey's version of water boarding.

It does my heart good to see it.  Thanks


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: klaasend on September 07, 2010, 03:00:52 PM
Joran and Terror Jaap - short segment.  This clip is in Joran's acting portfolio listed under FAKE EMOTION:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/th_C244B703_Fri16joranbekentMiMedia_WM.jpg) (http://s118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/?action=view&current=C244B703_Fri16joranbekentMiMedia_WM.flv)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: klaasend on September 07, 2010, 03:03:17 PM
REMINDER - Not that anyone besides me cares, I save everything.  I save photos, emails, screen captures everything going back to 2005.  Not just in the NH case but everything in all cases.  I have multiple copies/backups of my files.  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on September 07, 2010, 03:04:04 PM
It would be absolutely fitting to send Urine a care package full of stuffed monkey dolls and bananas! ::MonkeyDevil:: Do you think he'd appreciate the sentiments? ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Magnolia on September 07, 2010, 03:08:31 PM
It would be absolutely fitting to send Urine a care package full of stuffed monkey dolls and bananas! ::MonkeyDevil:: Do you think he'd appreciate the sentiments? ::MonkeyDevil::


Only if the Monkey were stuffed with anthrax and the bananas were injected with arsenic.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on September 07, 2010, 03:10:31 PM
It would be absolutely fitting to send Urine a care package full of stuffed monkey dolls and bananas! ::MonkeyDevil:: Do you think he'd appreciate the sentiments? ::MonkeyDevil::


Only if the Monkey were stuffed with anthrax and the bananas were injected with arsenic.

 ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 07, 2010, 03:13:42 PM
I am one with Aruba chief prosecutor Peter Blanken's contention that Joran van der Sloot's words in the Range Rover tape ... words pertaining to the disappearing of Natalee Holloway ... do not reflect the truth.

I base my position on the words of Kyle Kingman in regard to the Persistence find.  Does Blanken derive his stand from the same foundation?

Janet

++++++

Unbelieveable and Not True!  

Dutch youth lives under shadow of Holloway case 5 years laterBy the CNN Wire Staff
June 10, 2010 7:22 p.m. EDT


]In 2008, a videotape surfaced on Dutch television. In it, van der Sloot tells a man he thought was a friend he had sex with Holloway on the beach after leaving the nightclub, then she "started shaking" and lost consciousness. He said he panicked when he could not resuscitate her and called a friend who had a boat. The two put Holloway in the boat, van der Sloot said, and he went home. The friend told him the next day that he had carried the body out and dumped it into the ocean.

"I don't lose a minute of sleep over it," van der Sloot said.

He later claimed the account was a lie, saying he told the man what he wanted to hear. A court ruled there was not enough evidence to re-arrest him. Aruba chief prosecutor Peter Blanken said the story was "unbelievable and not true."

http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/06/03/holloway.suspect.profile/index.html


Whisked Away!

Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words

Kyle Kingman:
The Persistence had no divers on the 7th. Tim Trahan was our diver on the 30th-Dec, but he was out of the country at the time. The Aruban divers were on the police boat, dove from their boat, and returned to their boat.

Kyle Kingman:  Jan 7th we sampled the contents and in my opinion we found the skirt under the sand along with the other items The blue fabric was found right where the skirt is pictured. If it isn't her, it will forever haunt me as a major cosmic WTF

Kyle Kingman:  The bags were removed just after the ROV got out of the way when the divers took the samples to their boat.... and took off.

Kyle Kingman: They were immediately whisked away by the Aruban police and not seen of again by us on the 7th.

Kyle Kingman:  Richardson was very quick to dismiss the trap as case-relevant. Richardson was insisting that we keep looking FAR out to sea in very deep water.  He was the one briefing the ALE divers on how to handle the site.  He was the one who handled all the evidence that came out of the water.  He was the one who admits to personally sending the fabric sample to the FBI for testing.

Kermit - Scared Monkeys




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: klaasend on September 07, 2010, 03:21:34 PM
It would be absolutely fitting to send Urine a care package full of stuffed monkey dolls and bananas! ::MonkeyDevil:: Do you think he'd appreciate the sentiments? ::MonkeyDevil::


Only if the Monkey were stuffed with anthrax and the bananas were injected with arsenic.

 ::MonkeyShocked:: Is that you SAN in Magnolia clothing?   ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Edward on September 07, 2010, 03:31:29 PM
REMINDER - Not that anyone besides me cares, I save everything.  I save photos, emails, screen captures everything going back to 2005.  Not just in the NH case but everything in all cases.  I have multiple copies/backups of my files.  ::MonkeyCool::

I care and you are absolutely wonderful.  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Magnolia on September 07, 2010, 03:33:13 PM
Well, thank God, I am not one with anybody on Aruba and I have never been.

I am sooooo angry right now at Joran's thumbing his nose at all things honorable.

I am angry at Aruba for not even attempting to get a resolution to Natalee's case.

I am angry at that sorry Anita for flaunting herself all over the social pages after
her son has killed at least two young women.

I am angry at all who make excuses for Joran and pay him money to tell more lies.

And i am not at all happy with those writing books to exploit Natalee's name.

And I don't like trolls.

 ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Magnolia on September 07, 2010, 03:35:06 PM
It would be absolutely fitting to send Urine a care package full of stuffed monkey dolls and bananas! ::MonkeyDevil:: Do you think he'd appreciate the sentiments? ::MonkeyDevil::


Only if the Monkey were stuffed with anthrax and the bananas were injected with arsenic.

 ::MonkeyShocked:: Is that you SAN in Magnolia clothing?   ::MonkeyDevil::

 ::MonkeyJnBox::  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on September 07, 2010, 03:37:16 PM
Well, thank God, I am not one with anybody on Aruba and I have never been.

I am sooooo angry right now at Joran's thumbing his nose at all things honorable.

I am angry at Aruba for not even attempting to get a resolution to Natalee's case.

I am angry at that sorry Anita for flaunting herself all over the social pages after
her son has killed at least two young women.

I am angry at all who make excuses for Joran and pay him money to tell more lies.

And i am not at all happy with those writing books to exploit Natalee's name.

And I don't like trolls.

 ::MonkeyMad::

If anyone thinks I'm a troll feel free to speak! ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 07, 2010, 03:37:48 PM
REMINDER - Not that anyone besides me cares, I save everything.  I save photos, emails, screen captures everything going back to 2005.  Not just in the NH case but everything in all cases.  I have multiple copies/backups of my files.  ::MonkeyCool::

Do not underestimate your efforts Klaas.  At any given moment in time ... you may be made aware that others do care and ... others do appreciate.

I have always advised my grown kids to think about what their computers may reveal about their character if the hard drives were ever to be analyzed.  However ... I sometimes wonder what my five year addiction to the Natalee Holloway case will reveal about my character if my hard drive was analyzed.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet
 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Blue Moon on September 07, 2010, 03:49:53 PM
IF he is released???

I still cannot comprehend why there is a possibility that Joran van der Sloot would be released if the confession is thrown out.  The hard evidence ... the video evidence should be enough to arrest and charge him with something in regards to the murder of Stephany.

If Joran is released ... the implication is that he will not be held accountable for his participation encompassing the deaths of both Natalee and Stephany.  Murphy's Law implies the chances of this happening is very remote unless there is stuff going on behind the scenes by higher ups.

IMO

Janet

+++++++

Van der Sloot: I've 'misused' Holloway case 'for my own advantage'By the CNN Wire Staff
September 7, 2010 9:11 a.m. EDT


Alteza said that van der Sloot's constitutional rights have been violated and he "could be released because of the mistakes made by the police during the investigation."

But Kelly pointed out Tuesday that if he is released, van der Sloot will be held in Alabama on the charges related to extortion.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/09/07/peru.vandersloot/index.html?eref=mrss_igoogle_cnn


Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Page 183
- Helen is very positive. "It looks good that they will remain in custody." she says.  Then about three hours after she tells me this encouraging news, a devastating call comes from an AP reporter.

"Paulus van der Sloot and his attorney are bragging to everyone that all three suspects are getting out day after tomorrow!

Then all the media start calling.  I call Helen, then FBI agent Bill and the U.S. vice-consul.  None of them have this information.  So we tell the media it must be a rumor.  But the word is out all over the island to the defense side that all three suspects will walk.

Four and a half hours after this announcement is made to international media by Joran's father and his defense team, the FBI calls to tell me it is indeed true.  So the three suspects who were last seen with my daughter, and who offered multiple versions of what happened that night, will go free.  And we are the last ones to find out.


He WILL be extricated to the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA! WHEN he is released from prison. No matter what the outcome of his prison time in Peru. No matter what he or his attorney try to embellish - he WILL be coming to the USA at some point in his criminal life!

(http://img823.imageshack.us/img823/6294/joraninterviewsept2010m.png)


(http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/5941/joraninterviewmsnbconto.png)






Coming to the United States is EXACTLY what that good-for-nothing SOB wants.  Where else would he think he would be treated with kids gloves?  Why here no less.  Bless Beth's soul.  The FIGHT GOES ON.  Get him Beth.  Pay someone in that prison to end this NOW.   JMO.  I HATE HIM AND I HATE HIS MOTHER.   ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Magnolia on September 07, 2010, 03:57:35 PM
Well, thank God, I am not one with anybody on Aruba and I have never been.

I am sooooo angry right now at Joran's thumbing his nose at all things honorable.

I am angry at Aruba for not even attempting to get a resolution to Natalee's case.

I am angry at that sorry Anita for flaunting herself all over the social pages after
her son has killed at least two young women.

I am angry at all who make excuses for Joran and pay him money to tell more lies.

And i am not at all happy with those writing books to exploit Natalee's name.

And I don't like trolls.

 ::MonkeyMad::

If anyone thinks I'm a troll feel free to speak! ::MonkeyCool::


I don't think anyone thinks you are a troll. ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 07, 2010, 04:05:35 PM
IF he is released???

I still cannot comprehend why there is a possibility that Joran van der Sloot would be released if the confession is thrown out.  The hard evidence ... the video evidence should be enough to arrest and charge him with something in regards to the murder of Stephany.

If Joran is released ... the implication is that he will not be held accountable for his participation encompassing the deaths of both Natalee and Stephany.  Murphy's Law implies the chances of this happening is very remote unless there is stuff going on behind the scenes by higher ups.

IMO

Janet

+++++++

Van der Sloot: I've 'misused' Holloway case 'for my own advantage'By the CNN Wire Staff
September 7, 2010 9:11 a.m. EDT


Alteza said that van der Sloot's constitutional rights have been violated and he "could be released because of the mistakes made by the police during the investigation."

But Kelly pointed out Tuesday that if he is released, van der Sloot will be held in Alabama on the charges related to extortion.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/09/07/peru.vandersloot/index.html?eref=mrss_igoogle_cnn


Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Page 183
- Helen is very positive. "It looks good that they will remain in custody." she says.  Then about three hours after she tells me this encouraging news, a devastating call comes from an AP reporter.

"Paulus van der Sloot and his attorney are bragging to everyone that all three suspects are getting out day after tomorrow!

Then all the media start calling.  I call Helen, then FBI agent Bill and the U.S. vice-consul.  None of them have this information.  So we tell the media it must be a rumor.  But the word is out all over the island to the defense side that all three suspects will walk.

Four and a half hours after this announcement is made to international media by Joran's father and his defense team, the FBI calls to tell me it is indeed true.  So the three suspects who were last seen with my daughter, and who offered multiple versions of what happened that night, will go free.  And we are the last ones to find out.


He WILL be extricated to the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA! WHEN he is released from prison. No matter what the outcome of his prison time in Peru. No matter what he or his attorney try to embellish - he WILL be coming to the USA at some point in his criminal life!

(http://img823.imageshack.us/img823/6294/joraninterviewsept2010m.png)


(http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/5941/joraninterviewmsnbconto.png)






Coming to the United States is EXACTLY what that good-for-nothing SOB wants.  Where else would he think he would be treated with kids gloves?  Why here no less.  Bless Beth's soul.  The FIGHT GOES ON.  Get him Beth.  Pay someone in that prison to end this NOW.   JMO.  I HATE HIM AND I HATE HIS MOTHER.   ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad::

 ::rhino::

Hi Blue Moon

I agree with everything you stated but ... if Joran is not going to be detained in either Peru or Aruba in regards to the happening encompassing the deaths of Stephany and Natalee ... time spent in an American prison is better than nothing.

O/T ... How was your trip to the Gulf?

Janet

++++++

Beth on Greta, November 19, 2008:

HOLLOWAY: Yes. And Greta, I was just wanting to say that, you know, like I said, it's been a long time, but it's never too late for justice. And I'd be good with a "Midnight Express" prison anywhere for Joran.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,454527,00.html (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,454527,00.html)



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on September 07, 2010, 04:07:15 PM
Well, thank God, I am not one with anybody on Aruba and I have never been.

I am sooooo angry right now at Joran's thumbing his nose at all things honorable.

I am angry at Aruba for not even attempting to get a resolution to Natalee's case.

I am angry at that sorry Anita for flaunting herself all over the social pages after
her son has killed at least two young women.

I am angry at all who make excuses for Joran and pay him money to tell more lies.

And i am not at all happy with those writing books to exploit Natalee's name.

And I don't like trolls.

 ::MonkeyMad::

If anyone thinks I'm a troll feel free to speak! ::MonkeyCool::


I don't think anyone thinks you are a troll. ::MonkeyHaHa::
That's very disheartening to think that anyone would consider me as such Magnolia.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 07, 2010, 04:27:25 PM

Coming to the United States is EXACTLY what that good-for-nothing SOB wants.  Where else would he think he would be treated with kids gloves?  Why here no less.  Bless Beth's soul.  The FIGHT GOES ON.  Get him Beth.  Pay someone in that prison to end this NOW.   JMO.  I HATE HIM AND I HATE HIS MOTHER.   ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad::

 ::rhino::

Hi Blue Moon

I agree with everything you stated but ... if Joran is not going to be detained in either Peru or Aruba in regards to the happening encompassing the deaths of Stephany and Natalee ... time spent in an American prison is better than nothing.

O/T ... How was your trip to the Gulf?

Janet

++++++

Beth on Greta, November 19, 2008:

HOLLOWAY: Yes. And Greta, I was just wanting to say that, you know, like I said, it's been a long time, but it's never too late for justice. And I'd be good with a "Midnight Express" prison anywhere for Joran.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,454527,00.html (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,454527,00.html)


Blue Moon

Joran spending time in ANY prison ANYWHERE implies that other unsuspecting "Natalees and Stephanys" are not at risk.

Janet

+++++++

'Scarborough Country' for July 1
updated 7/6/2005 11:11:14 AM ET


GEORGE TWITTY, STEPFATHER OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY:  My worst nightmare, that these individuals will be let—will walk and we will still not have any answers. 

MARTIN SAVIDGE, NBC CORRESPONDENT:  You think that is a possibility? 

TWITTY:  It's a possibility.

And that scares me, too, because these three kids are predators.
 
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8485048/


Van der Sloot: I've 'misused' Holloway case 'for my own advantage'By the CNN Wire Staff
September 7, 2010 9:11 a.m. EDT


But Kelly pointed out Tuesday that if he is released, van der Sloot will be held in Alabama on the charges related to extortion.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/09/07/peru.vandersloot/index.html?eref=mrss_igoogle_cnn



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 07, 2010, 04:36:48 PM
I Believe in Him!

On the Record w/ Greta - June 23, 2005
Transcript: Van der Sloots Speak


ANITA VAN DER SLOOT:  He said, The truth will come forward, and I know that I didn't do anything to the girl. And the truth will come forward. And he was so strong.  And I believe in him. I believe so in him. ... I believe in him 200 percent.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160471,00.html


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: SunnyinTX on September 07, 2010, 04:44:52 PM
REMINDER - Not that anyone besides me cares, I save everything.  I save photos, emails, screen captures everything going back to 2005.  Not just in the NH case but everything in all cases.  I have multiple copies/backups of my files.  ::MonkeyCool::

 ::MonkeyJnBox:: ::MonkeyJnBox::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 07, 2010, 05:05:53 PM
Judges divided over Van der Sloot appealPublished on 7 September 2010 - 8:27am

Three judges in the Peruvian capital Lima have failed to reach agreement on suspected killer Joran van der Sloot’s appeal to have his confession to the police dismissed.

The authorities in Lima have announced that a fourth judge is now to consider Van der Sloot’s request. His initial motion was rejected, but he filed an appeal. Two judges granted his request but the third rejected it. Under Peruvian law, three judges have to unanimously rule in favour or against an appeal, which is why a fourth judge is now to consider it.

Joran van der Sloot argues that the lawyer who was present during his interrogation was not appointed according to regulations and that the interpreter was not authorised. Van der Sloot is suspected of killing Peruvian Stephany Flores in his Lima hotel room on 30 May. He confessed to the crime during police interrogations.

http://www.rnw.nl/english/bulletin/judges-divided-over-van-der-sloot-appeal



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Edward on September 07, 2010, 05:19:16 PM
Criminal Insane does not mean Stupid. He is extremely inlelligent and will play this out to freedom if allowed the room to do so.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: wreck on September 07, 2010, 05:39:24 PM
I'll say it again ... Joran would have a much easier time getting off on a technicality in the USA than Peru. We OVERPROTECT the accused. It won't happen in Peru. Even IF he someout got out -- he would not last 5 minutes on the street. Quit worrying everyone!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: klaasend on September 07, 2010, 05:43:09 PM
I'll say it again ... Joran would have a much easier time getting off on a technicality in the USA than Peru. We OVERPROTECT the accused. It won't happen in Peru. Even IF he someout got out -- he would not last 5 minutes on the street. Quit worrying everyone!

I'm not worried at all.  Joran will pull his cr** one day with the wrong person in prison and he'll get his.  I don't see him walking out of Peru prison alive.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: wreck on September 07, 2010, 05:44:11 PM
I'll say it again ... Joran would have a much easier time getting off on a technicality in the USA than Peru. We OVERPROTECT the accused. It won't happen in Peru. Even IF he somehow got out -- he would not last 5 minutes on the street. Quit worrying everyone!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Magnolia on September 07, 2010, 05:50:04 PM
I'll say it again ... Joran would have a much easier time getting off on a technicality in the USA than Peru. We OVERPROTECT the accused. It won't happen in Peru. Even IF he somehow got out -- he would not last 5 minutes on the street. Quit worrying everyone!

Say it another time, Wreck. ::MonkeyGavel::

At this point I would pay someone to deliver vigilante justice.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: texasmom on September 07, 2010, 06:00:50 PM
http://blogs.babble.com/famecrawler/2010/09/07/remembering-natalee-holloway-van-der-sloots-first-victim/

Remembering Natalee Holloway: Van Der Sloot’s First Victim

POSTED BY THEMOMMYOLOGIST ON SEPTEMBER 7TH, 2010 AT 2:21 PM


(http://cdn.babble.com/famecrawler/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/Natalee_Holloway_yearbook_photo-218x300.jpg)

Joran Van Der Sloot has been in the news for the past couple of days after admitting to trying to extort money from Natalee Holloway’s family. He is also insisting that he is sorry and remorseful for everything he’s done, but there’s no way that anyone with half a brain is buying his lies.

I’d rather not give this monster any more attention than he deserves, and instead, I think it is best to remember Natalee Holloway, the beautiful blond teenager from Alabama who has been missing since May, 2005, after a tragic run in with Van Der Sloot on a school trip to Aruba.


Natalee was born in 1986 in Clinton, Mississippi. She and her younger brother were raised by her mother, Beth, after her parents split in 1993. When her mother remarried, the family packed up and moved to Mountain Brook, Alabama.

Natalee attended Mountain Brook High School, where she graduated as an honors student. She was a popular, well-loved student who was planning on attending the University of Alabama and majoring in pre-med. Because of Van Der Sloot, she never got the chance to go to college, become a doctor, and achieve her dreams.

We may never know what really happened to Natalee on her graduation trip to Aruba, but she will never be forgotten.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Magnolia on September 07, 2010, 06:23:49 PM
The local news just had a segment on Joran and his interview.

A lawyer said that it doesn't matter what the panel of judges rules about his confession,
there is still enough physical evidence to convict him of murder.

The lawyer said that there was method in Joran's madness in admitting on tape that he
extorted Natalee's family.  That statement makes the case for extradition to the US much stronger.
Obviously, Joran would rather serve time in the US than in Peru.

There were a couple of people from Mt Brook angry that Aruba was doing nothing to question Joran.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: klaasend on September 07, 2010, 06:52:33 PM
The local news just had a segment on Joran and his interview.

A lawyer said that it doesn't matter what the panel of judges rules about his confession,
there is still enough physical evidence to convict him of murder.

The lawyer said that there was method in Joran's madness in admitting on tape that he
extorted Natalee's family.  That statement makes the case for extradition to the US much stronger.
Obviously, Joran would rather serve time in the US than in Peru.

There were a couple of people from Mt Brook angry that Aruba was doing nothing to question Joran.


Aruba will do everything it can the sweep Natalee and Joran under the rug, they have no intentions of doing anything and never have.  Even if Aruba went to Peru to question Joran, they would still do nothing.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: texasmom on September 07, 2010, 06:59:35 PM
The local news just had a segment on Joran and his interview.

A lawyer said that it doesn't matter what the panel of judges rules about his confession,
there is still enough physical evidence to convict him of murder.

The lawyer said that there was method in Joran's madness in admitting on tape that he
extorted Natalee's family.  That statement makes the case for extradition to the US much stronger.
Obviously, Joran would rather serve time in the US than in Peru.

There were a couple of people from Mt Brook angry that Aruba was doing nothing to question Joran.


Aruba will do everything it can the sweep Natalee and Joran under the rug, they have no intentions of doing anything and never have.  Even if Aruba went to Peru to question Joran, they would still do nothing.

I agree.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 07, 2010, 07:04:40 PM
The local news just had a segment on Joran and his interview.

A lawyer said that it doesn't matter what the panel of judges rules about his confession,
there is still enough physical evidence to convict him of murder.

The lawyer said that there was method in Joran's madness in admitting on tape that he
extorted Natalee's family.  That statement makes the case for extradition to the US much stronger.
Obviously, Joran would rather serve time in the US than in Peru.

There were a couple of people from Mt Brook angry that Aruba was doing nothing to question Joran.


Aruba will do everything it can the sweep Natalee and Joran under the rug, they have no intentions of doing anything and never have.  Even if Aruba went to Peru to question Joran, they would still do nothing.

Beth concurs.

Janet

++++++

OPRAH WINFREY SHOW - January 27, 2008

BETH HOLLOWAY: We've never really relied on an investigative approach to find an answer to Natalee. I think what we've relied on more heavily is that at any given moment something unexpected could happen and we really feel anyone could talk at any moment.
 
http://www2.oprah.com/world/politics/slide/20080116/politics_284_203.jhtml


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Sharon/Tx on September 07, 2010, 07:19:17 PM
Day by day it gives me great pleasure to know that Joran Vandersloot is in a cold, damp prison.  Slowly, his life craters.  ::MonkeyWink::

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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: klaasend on September 07, 2010, 07:46:05 PM
FYI - I think Nancy Grace is going to cover the case a little tonight.  I'm sure nothing we don't already know so if you can't stomach Nancy's breaking news I'd pass on it  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: klaasend on September 07, 2010, 08:27:33 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_77720.php

Joran wanted to do Natalee’s family a bad turn
6 Sep, 2010, 08:23 (GMT -04:00)


ORANJESTAD/LIMA — In an interview with crime reporter John van den Heuvel, Joran van der Sloot admitted he blackmailed the family of Natalee Holloway. “I wanted to do Natalee Holloway’s family a bad turn. Her parents made my life hell for five years already,” Joran says, explaining his action.

He is still a suspect in the case regarding the disappearance of the American teenager, who is untraceable since May 30th 2005. On blackmailing the Holloway-family Joran says, “When they offered to pay for the place where she could be found, I thought why not? I regret that now.” Joran was charged for this blackmail in the United States at the beginning of July. According to Justice, Joran demanded an amount of 250,000 dollars (over 200,000 euros) from Natalee’s mother to reveal the location of her daughter’s body.
Van den Heuvel had an interview before TV-station RTL4 with Joran who is in custody in the Castro Castro prison in Peru. He is suspected of murdering the Peruvian Stephan Flores (21). He supposedly murdered her on May 30th in his hotel room in Lima. Joran had not said a word during the first interrogation in the process on June 21st. He had made a confession earlier, but withdrew that later on. The entire interview with Joran van der Sloot will be broadcasted this evening at 20.30 hours on RTL4.

Public Prosecutor
It is no longer certain that delegates from the Aruban Public Prosecutor (OM) will travel to Peru to interrogate Joran van der Sloot in the Natalee Holloway case. On June 15th of this year, the Peruvian authorities made agreements with the Aruban OM on a possible interrogation. At the time, Field Officer Peter Blanken stated that ‘co-workers from the OM and the police would travel to Peru within four months’ time to interrogate Joran van der Sloot’. The reason to interrogate Joran in Peru regarded his wish to speak with the Aruban authorities on the Natalee-case. However, in the morning newspaper Bon Dia, Blanken now says that due to the many contradictory statements ‘it is a waste of time’ to go to Peru for a story that may not based on the truth.


And they wonder why we continue to say BOYCOTT ARUBA?  We know they'll never do anything but to be so OBVIOUS about it is so frustrating typical.  They keep hoping people will forget.  WE WON'T.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: sharon on September 07, 2010, 08:33:01 PM
I remember when the extortation charges were first announced, JQK said that Joran first contacted him by
email using the last name "Sanders".  I figured that was  Van der S with the
V changed to an S.

As to the treaty between NL and Peru.  NL has been pushing for that treaty for years and years, and
Peru has rejected all negotiations.  There is no reason to believe that Peru is about to change their
stance...no matter what the dark side says.  Remember Giant Caribbean Crabs!

I am sure that Mr. Flores has ways of silencing the sporter, when the time comes.

 ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 07, 2010, 08:43:27 PM
The Serenity Prayer

God grant me the serenity
to accept the things I cannot change;
courage to change the things I can;
and wisdom to know the difference.


Natalee Holloway: Lost in Paradise
TLC – 2010-01-17


BETH HOLLOWAY: What I can do is hopefully share some life lessons and prevent this tragedy from happening to another family.  I stay focused on what I can do rather than what I cannot.  I cannot get justice for Natalee.

http://tlc.discovery.com/tv-schedules/special.html?paid=2.1213.56293




The Natalee Holloway Resource Center (NHRC)

http://www.crimemuseum.org/NHRC





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Magnolia on September 07, 2010, 09:59:33 PM
Did anybody see Joy Behar tonight?   I heard someone say that Taco threw Joran under the bus tonight.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: texasmom on September 07, 2010, 10:25:09 PM
http://www.bondia.com/index.php?option=com_flippingbook&book_id=2

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/HollowayCaseNews1/09072010_Bondia_10a-1.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: texasmom on September 07, 2010, 10:31:13 PM
Did anybody see Joy Behar tonight?   I heard someone say that Taco threw Joran under the bus tonight.

I didn't watch it but it replays here in an hour and a half, I'll try to catch it then.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Magnolia on September 07, 2010, 10:46:39 PM
Did anybody see Joy Behar tonight?   I heard someone say that Taco threw Joran under the bus tonight.

I didn't watch it but it replays here in an hour and a half, I'll try to catch it then.


 ::MonkeyKiss::

Are you getting any weather from the hurricaine?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: San on September 07, 2010, 10:49:18 PM
Did anybody see Joy Behar tonight?   I heard someone say that Taco threw Joran under the bus tonight.

I missed it.  Sometimes they show a clip from her interviews she had the next day on line.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Magnolia on September 07, 2010, 10:51:52 PM
Did anybody see Joy Behar tonight?   I heard someone say that Taco threw Joran under the bus tonight.

I missed it.  Sometimes they show a clip from her interviews she had the next day on line.


Klaas called me San in a Magnolia suit today. ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: texasmom on September 07, 2010, 10:54:13 PM
Did anybody see Joy Behar tonight?   I heard someone say that Taco threw Joran under the bus tonight.

I didn't watch it but it replays here in an hour and a half, I'll try to catch it then.


 ::MonkeyKiss::

Are you getting any weather from the hurricaine?

We had a lot of wind yesterday, and the rains came today.  So far the storms haven't been too bad. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: texasmom on September 07, 2010, 10:55:17 PM
Did anybody see Joy Behar tonight?   I heard someone say that Taco threw Joran under the bus tonight.

I missed it.  Sometimes they show a clip from her interviews she had the next day on line.


Klaas called me San in a Magnolia suit today. ::MonkeyDance::

I loved it!   ::MonkeyDance:: :smt066 ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Magnolia on September 07, 2010, 10:55:29 PM
Did anybody see Joy Behar tonight?   I heard someone say that Taco threw Joran under the bus tonight.

I didn't watch it but it replays here in an hour and a half, I'll try to catch it then.


 ::MonkeyKiss::

Are you getting any weather from the hurricaine?

We had a lot of wind yesterday, and the rains came today.  So far the storms haven't been too bad. 

 ::MonkeyCool::   I hope you don't get too much rain.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: wreck on September 07, 2010, 10:55:39 PM
Did anybody see Joy Behar tonight?   I heard someone say that Taco threw Joran under the bus tonight.

I didn't watch it but it replays here in an hour and a half, I'll try to catch it then.


 ::MonkeyKiss::

Are you getting any weather from the hurricaine?
We are getting both barrels in Dallas! About 1 3/4" of rain so far -- another wave is just hitting!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: San on September 07, 2010, 10:57:14 PM
Did anybody see Joy Behar tonight?   I heard someone say that Taco threw Joran under the bus tonight.

I missed it.  Sometimes they show a clip from her interviews she had the next day on line.


Klaas called me San in a Magnolia suit today. ::MonkeyDance::

I saw that.  I think she was paying you a compliment.  :smt066


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Magnolia on September 07, 2010, 10:59:51 PM
Did anybody see Joy Behar tonight?   I heard someone say that Taco threw Joran under the bus tonight.

I missed it.  Sometimes they show a clip from her interviews she had the next day on line.


Klaas called me San in a Magnolia suit today. ::MonkeyDance::

I loved it!   ::MonkeyDance:: :smt066 ::MonkeyHaHa::


So did I.   I was flattered. ::MonkeyJnBox::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: MuffyBee on September 07, 2010, 11:01:29 PM
Did anybody see Joy Behar tonight?   I heard someone say that Taco threw Joran under the bus tonight.

I missed it.  Sometimes they show a clip from her interviews she had the next day on line.


Klaas called me San in a Magnolia suit today. ::MonkeyDance::

I loved it!   ::MonkeyDance:: :smt066 ::MonkeyHaHa::


So did I.   I was flattered. ::MonkeyJnBox::


 ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Magnolia on September 07, 2010, 11:01:31 PM
Did anybody see Joy Behar tonight?   I heard someone say that Taco threw Joran under the bus tonight.

I missed it.  Sometimes they show a clip from her interviews she had the next day on line.


Klaas called me San in a Magnolia suit today. ::MonkeyDance::

I saw that.  I think she was paying you a compliment.  :smt066


I thought she was too!! 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: texasmom on September 07, 2010, 11:03:13 PM
Did anybody see Joy Behar tonight?   I heard someone say that Taco threw Joran under the bus tonight.

I didn't watch it but it replays here in an hour and a half, I'll try to catch it then.


 ::MonkeyKiss::

Are you getting any weather from the hurricaine?

We had a lot of wind yesterday, and the rains came today.  So far the storms haven't been too bad. 

 ::MonkeyCool::   I hope you don't get too much rain.

Me too, but I have a feeling we will.  Just hope the storms aren't too bad.  We lost power for a while yesterday from the winds alone...gorgeous outside otherwise.   ::MonkeyRain::  ::MonkeyWaa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Magnolia on September 07, 2010, 11:03:26 PM
Did anybody see Joy Behar tonight?   I heard someone say that Taco threw Joran under the bus tonight.

I didn't watch it but it replays here in an hour and a half, I'll try to catch it then.


 ::MonkeyKiss::

Are you getting any weather from the hurricaine?
We are getting both barrels in Dallas! About 1 3/4" of rain so far -- another wave is just hitting!


I didn't think of it coming up as far as Dallas.  Batten down the hatches!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: San on September 07, 2010, 11:04:26 PM
Have a good night everyone.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: texasmom on September 07, 2010, 11:06:35 PM
Have a good night everyone.

You too San!   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Magnolia on September 07, 2010, 11:13:41 PM
"Joran Van der Sloot: Behind Bars," reported on by Chris Hansen, will air this Friday, Sept. 10 (10:00-11:00 PM/ET) on "Dateline." For the report, Hansen retraces Van der Sloot's jet-setting odyssey across four continents with exclusive details and photos, and interviews the veteran Dutch crime reporter John van den Heuvel who conducted the interview with him last week at Lima's Miguel Castro-Castro prison. Heuvel will also appear on TODAY, Wednesday, Sept. 8 (7:00 AM/ET).


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: texasmom on September 07, 2010, 11:18:05 PM
http://www.diario.aw/2010/09/hobencita-transporta-cu-air-ambulance-pa-venezuela-ayera-tardi/

The 5 year old little girl, Camila Suarez that nearly drowned in a pool at Costa Linda was flown to Caracas Venezuela today by air ambulance.

(http://www.diario.aw/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/venezu2.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: texasmom on September 07, 2010, 11:29:12 PM
http://www.diario.aw/2010/09/declaracionnan-di-joran-van-der-sloot-no-tin-balor-huridico/

Papiamentu translation:

declaracionnan by joran van der sloot not have value huridico

publication: tuesday, 7 september 2010.

categoria: general

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/09072010_Diario_cortoperu.jpg)

according advocate penalista: huez will resolve habeas corpus entama before dutch!

oranjestad (aan): in one articulo apart can read one informe cu is arrive at we table by redaccion tocante one interview cu joran van der sloot will owing to give at the corant dutch de telegraaf. at present is come before fast cu joran will responsabiliza her self fast huez by the crimen by stephany flores. according declaracionnan at peru by the advocate penalista julio rodriguez, the informenan cu joran van der sloot is give at the medionan “no have neither value huridico”. according the advocate, the declaracion by van der sloot not can worde take at cuenta already cu at the instant by the interview not was have the garantianan respectivo. kiermen at the momentonan ey have to was have presencia by the advocate by van der sloot y by one agent by the ministerio publico before so garantiza cu the acusado not owing to talk bao by presion.

“definitivamente the version brinda in medionan by comunicacion not can worde take at cuenta.

in pasado past owing to sell one book on the caso anterior”, owing to say in relacion cu the caso by natalee holloway señalando also cu not can descarta cu the declaracionnan will can is part by one “wega personal”.

according rodriguez, the declaracionnan on her self do not representa one proof, while cu another documentonan or videonan cu is registra one acto ilegal if. esakinan can worde admiti y incorpora in the investigacion hudicial.

“cu thing husticia have actualmente, the unique cos cu joran can utiliza is one suerte by confesion sincero before aid her self, but cu will not aporta quite already cu casi all the datonan casi owing to worde aclarea”, owing to conclui.

habeas corpus
near by this, daily paper also owing to attain one comunicado by prensa emiti door by the office by prensa y imagen institucional by corte superior by husticia by lima.

in the comunicado here emiti yesterday is being indica cu one huez peruvian will resolve the habeas corpus solicita before van der sloot. according the informacion, one huez will resolve the habeas corpus entama before joran andreas petrus van der sloot contra the boss by the division by homicidionan by pnp, coronel miguel angel canila ore y the fiscal ninfa espinoza sotomayor, already cu is being considera cu the investigacion policial owing to viola the derechonan constitucional.

sinembargo, have some magistrado cu owing to pronuncia for her improcedencia by the rekerimento here, while cu was have one voice at please.

debi at this owing to institui one by cuatro huez superior that after by owing to listen the partidonan in one audiencia publico, will emiti her voice imparcial, already cu in matter constitucional have to by three voice before emiti one resolucion. read also the comunicado adhunto before more detaye.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: texasmom on September 07, 2010, 11:39:59 PM
http://www.diario.aw/2010/09/joran-van-der-sloot-ta-admiti-extorsion/

Papiamentu translation:

joran van der sloot is admiti extorsion

publication: tuesday, 7 september 2010.

categoria: general

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/09072010_Diario_joranvanderslootarr.jpg)

the do not deny more by owing to asesina stephany flores

oranjestad(aan)– informacion for by lima is indica cu joran van der sloot owing to admiti cu past owing to comete extorsion contra family by natalee holloway. “mi be willing to owing to pompa family by natalee”, joran is say in one interview exclusivo cu telegraaf. “e parents by natalee have 5 year come to anend is do my life miserable. during the interview cu did take lugar in the cel by gaol castro castro before peru, joran is admiti cu past did take coin by family holloway, owing to cambio by informacion on the lugar where they will can attain curpa by natalee.

after cu the family atravez by one advocate owing to pay 25.000 dollar by adelanto, van der sloot owing to say they one lugar where they can attain the curpa y the self owing to jump bay peru. autoridadnan at aruba owing to busca at the lugar where cu joran owing to say cu the curpa is bury, but nothing owing to wordo attain.

joran owing to say cu curpa by natalee was bury bao by fundeshi by one cas close by oranjestad, but after owing to resulta cu the cas ey at 2005 during the time cu natalee owing to desaparece, not was construi still.

“door cu they was do my life miserable, i have dicidi by do thing i have do y at present i am lamenta esaki”, according the dutch. “mi is verwacht by remain in gaol by peru before enough tempo”, according joran.

during the part die interview cu telegraaf owing to laydown on her website, joran is say cu the is be called her mam 1 trip before week.

the journalist owing to puntre con her mam is feel y past owing to say cu the mam do not feel her self mucho good. before thing is contacto cu her brother hombernan, joran owing to say cu both does not contacto cune, because they're quite angry.

past owing to say cu specialmente the brother parent by the dosnan, is quite angry cune. the journalist dutch owing to ask joran also con the guardianan by the gaol is trate y past owing to say cu they're amable y they're trate good.

past owing to say also cu the know give lesson by english at some by they cu be willing to learn. they're come cu they bukinan at english y the is aid they.

according the articulo cu owing to depart in telegraaf, joran do not deny more cu past owing to asesina stephany flores. con exactly all cos owing to sosode the not owing to say if. in the interview joran owing to say cu the is bay responsabiliza her self for her asesinato, fast the huez peruvian.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: billb's daughter on September 07, 2010, 11:50:53 PM
http://www.diario.aw/2010/09/joran-van-der-sloot-ta-admiti-extorsion/

Papiamentu translation:

joran van der sloot is admiti extorsion

publication: tuesday, 7 september 2010.

categoria: general

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/09072010_Diario_joranvanderslootarr.jpg)


Dead man walking....only a matter of time before reality sets in for urine....hehehe.....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: texasmom on September 08, 2010, 12:14:40 AM
Joy Behar

So far I wouldn't say by any means that Taco Joe threw Joran under the bus.

Joran has disintegrated into what he is today.  This is not the same boy Taco Joe knew when he represented him.

NOTE SARCASM:

Paulus didn't help Joran out of anything in Aruba, the EVIDENCE, and the investigation by the Arubans, FBI, etc. is what prevented charges being brought against Joran in Aruba.  The results were as Joran said...so he wasn't tried in Natalee's disappearance.
 ::MonkeyRoll::

That's as much as I can recall at the moment of what was said. 

I recorded so I'll post a translation shortly. 

After I go throw up!    ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Magnolia on September 08, 2010, 12:19:57 AM
Joy Behar

So far I wouldn't say by any means that Taco Joe threw Joran under the bus.

Joran has disintegrated into what he is today.  This is not the same boy Taco Joe knew when he represented him.

NOTE SARCASM:

Paulus didn't help Joran out of anything in Aruba, the EVIDENCE, and the investigation by the Arubans, FBI, etc. is what prevented charges being brought against Joran in Aruba.  The results were as Joran said...so he wasn't tried in Natalee's disappearance.
 ::MonkeyRoll::

That's as much as I can recall at the moment of what was said. 

I recorded so I'll post a translation shortly. 

After I go throw up!    ::MonkeyMad::



Thanks, TM. ::CowboySmiley::

Well, we know that the FBI wasn't allowed to investigate anything and Aruba didn't want to investigate.
Taco must have just needed some air time.  Just like Joran, he craves attention


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: spooky112483 on September 08, 2010, 12:23:59 AM
Ok this is about a different case but it has similarities. You guys remember the Alabamian couple (last name Watson I believe) that went on their honeymoon in Austraila. They went scuba diving and she drown? They convicted him in Austraila and is serving like 3 years or some stupid thing right now. Well in the local news today they were talking about how Alabama wants to bring him back here after he serves his time there because Alabama believes they can try him for the murder here all over again. They say double jeopardy would not apply and they believe he plotted the murder here in Alabama before they left.
Just gives me hope that MAYBE once they get Joran here on the extortion charge that we might be able to try him for Natalee's murder too?!
Big long stretch I know but if they can do it in the Watson case then maybe they can do it in Natalee's case too.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Magnolia on September 08, 2010, 12:30:14 AM
CHATA = Curacao Hospitality and Tourism Association   ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Magnolia on September 08, 2010, 12:34:43 AM
Ok this is about a different case but it has similarities. You guys remember the Alabamian couple (last name Watson I believe) that went on their honeymoon in Austraila. They went scuba diving and she drown? They convicted him in Austraila and is serving like 3 years or some stupid thing right now. Well in the local news today they were talking about how Alabama wants to bring him back here after he serves his time there because Alabama believes they can try him for the murder here all over again. They say double jeopardy would not apply and they believe he plotted the murder here in Alabama before they left.
Just gives me hope that MAYBE once they get Joran here on the extortion charge that we might be able to try him for Natalee's murder too?!
Big long stretch I know but if they can do it in the Watson case then maybe they can do it in Natalee's case too.


I heard that Spooky.  I think he only got 6 months for manslaughter in Australia. 
Ufortunately, I don't think Joran will ever make it to Alabama.  JMO


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: spooky112483 on September 08, 2010, 12:37:01 AM
Ok this is about a different case but it has similarities. You guys remember the Alabamian couple (last name Watson I believe) that went on their honeymoon in Austraila. They went scuba diving and she drown? They convicted him in Austraila and is serving like 3 years or some stupid thing right now. Well in the local news today they were talking about how Alabama wants to bring him back here after he serves his time there because Alabama believes they can try him for the murder here all over again. They say double jeopardy would not apply and they believe he plotted the murder here in Alabama before they left.
Just gives me hope that MAYBE once they get Joran here on the extortion charge that we might be able to try him for Natalee's murder too?!
Big long stretch I know but if they can do it in the Watson case then maybe they can do it in Natalee's case too.


I heard that Spooky.  I think he only got 6 months for manslaughter in Australia. 
Ufortunately, I don't think Joran will ever make it to Alabama.  JMO

I don't really think he will either but I wouldn't call it unfourtnate wink wink


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: texasmom on September 08, 2010, 12:59:55 AM
Joe's mouth was twitching even while he was being introduced!   ::MonkeyDevil::

Thank goodness for this!  I really didn't want to have to keep rewinding Taco Joe a million times to get every word!

http://archives.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1009/07/joy.01.html

JOY BEHAR SHOW

Van Der Sloot Admits Extortion; David Letterman`s View; Jerry Lewis Slams Lohan

Aired September 7, 2010 - 21:00:00   ET

THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.


 ::monkeyscissors::

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Coming up on THE JOY BEHAR SHOW, Joran Van Der Sloot claims he tried to exact revenge on Natalee Holloway`s parents by extorting them. Will this bizarre admission hurt his murder case in Peru?

 ::monkeyscissors::

BEHAR: Ok. We`re starting tonight with accused murderer Joran Van Der Sloot. In a Dutch newspaper interview, the Dutch dimwit may have put himself in even bigger legal trouble by admitting that he extorted Natalee Holloway`s parents to, quote, "get back at them". He said, quote, "Her parents have been making my life tough for years. When they offered to pay for the girl`s location, I thought, why not?" End quote.

Here now with the latest in this case Jean Casarez, correspondent with "In Session" on TruTV; Buzz Von Ornsteiner, forensic psychologist; and Joe Tacopina a former attorney for Joran Van Der Sloot. Those are not easy names.

Jean, he admits to extorting the Holloway family, among other things, what did he exactly say?

JEAN CASAREZ, CORRESPONDENT, "IN SESSION": You are right. He did admit the extortion. You know, everybody says you can`t believe anything he says. Well, federal prosecutors in Alabama they`re going to want to believe this because he said he had so much anger in him for five years because he`s been blamed for this so he says when the Natalee Holloway family kept pushing him, we`ll give you money, he said, why not I`ll take it.

Now, John Q. Kelly, the attorney has said, "No, he came to me and he approached me about getting money."

BEHAR: Oh, I see.

Now, Joe, you defended this guy. What did you make of this new interview on "The Today Show" this morning?

JOE TACOPINA, FORMER ATTORNEY FOR VAN DER SLOOT: You know, it sort of corroborates, Joy, everything I`ve been saying about what`s happened with him in the last few years. He`s gone down a real slippery slope to the point where he`s disintegrated. I think he`s desocialized in every way, shape and form.

And when you think about what he`s saying, he`s simply saying, look, at this point my life is over. I became the villain. No one was ever going to believe I wasn`t involved in Natalee Holloway`s disappearance and I started cashing in on it.

And you understand, as wrong as that is, people had given him over the years including American networks have given him money to tell a story, regardless how ridiculous that story was, he`d cashed -- literally cashed in and made a living out of selling the story -- different stories --

BEHAR: Without thinking maybe I`ll go to jail for the things that I`m saying?

TACOPINA: Without thinking about the consequence to anyone else`s family, the Holloway family or his legal ramifications. His -- the interview, the taped interview that we have all seen does really nothing to advance any case. He`s clearly saying in Aruba he had nothing to do with it but he was going to tell a story to get some money and, you know, he doesn`t answer any questions regarding Peru.

BEHAR: So he said he extorted the Holloway family to seek revenge and then he made up stories for the media. He lies.

TACOPINA: Constantly.

BEHAR: He takes money. He makes up things. Possibly murdered some - - a couple of girls.

TACOPINA: Well --

BEHAR: You`re a shrink kind of aren`t you? Forensic psychologist?

BUZZ VON ORNSTEINER, FORENSIC PSYCHOLOGIST: Yes. Yes, I am.

BEHAR: Is he a sociopath or a psychopath?

VON ORNSTEINER: You know, I would look at him as having an anti- social personality or at least anti-social traits. And when we look at someone like that, we all have a personality. You know? You have a personality. I have a personality.

BEHAR: Yes.

VON ORNSTEINER: Well, we are looking at someone with a personality disorder. Didn`t just happen overnight. This develops in childhood generally. The person has a conduct disorder in childhood and then it develops. Now whether it`s nature or nurture, or whether it`s brain chemistry, some people think the person may be born that way based on personality and temperament. But in any case it develops and the person just does not have empathy, does not have the ability --

BEHAR: They`re lacking empathy.

VON ORNSTEINER: Lacking empathy -- doesn`t have the ability to follow the norms of society. He`s there really to exploit, rape, molest the individuals that he comes into contact with for his own personal gain. This is an individual who lacks impulse control. They need protection from the impulses. We are seeing this -- how he lies, manipulates, exploits people --

BEHAR: but you say he lacks empathy, and yet, what do you make of this quote, Jean? "I feel really bad that her family had to lose a daughter. It really does hurt me," in the case of the Flores murder in Peru. He`s talking about that case.

CASAREZ: Well, I guess --

BEHAR: Does he feel empathy there or is just -- he`s trying to get off the hook here? Or -- what has he done?

VON ORNSTEINER: We want to believe.

(CROSSTALK)

VON ORNSTEINER: I mean, we also want to believe that he`s empathetic. He`s giving us really what we want to hear because he knows he is in trouble. He`s trying to look for ways -- it`s like someone who`s in quicksand. They`re sinking and they`re reaching out for anything that can possibly pull them out of there.

CASAREZ: But let me give you the opposite here. We spoke with the original attorney by his side during this alleged confession and the translator that was by his side. They both said that when he gave this alleged confession with descriptive words of how he murdered Stephanie Flores, he just said it like we`re talking right now. There was no emotion. There was no empathy. There was no guilt. It was just talking like --

BEHAR: So he`s playing us. He`s playing everybody?

VON ORNSTEINER: He`s looking for any way out; any way that he can get out and that`s what an anti-social personality would do.

BEHAR: There`s a difference between anti-social and asocial, right?

VON ORNSTEINER: Anti-social is a personality disorder. They can be mixed. I don`t know about his childhood. I just know his father tried to bail him out a couple of times and was successful. I don`t know about how his parents were --

BEHAR: Do you know anything about it?

TACOPINA: Of course, yes. First of all, his father never bailed him out of anything.

VON ORNSTEINER: He didn`t?

TACOPINA: No, no, no. I represented him in that case and it wasn`t about his father. The evidence bailed him out in Aruba. It wasn`t anything but that. His father was someone who had absolutely no political clout whatsoever.

BEHAR: Do you agree with that Jean?

TACOPINA: Here was -- here was a boy who five years ago, Joy, I really believed was a smart, charismatic, intelligent kid who had been put under enormous pressure as a teenage boy, been at really the eye of a storm and had a target on his back.

He`s disintegrated into somebody who I do not know. Someone who was not the same person we met five years ago. You know? And it`s a sad story.

No matter how this turns out in Peru. I don`t know whether he`s guilty, innocent or what in Peru. I don`t know the evidence, but I will tell you that there`s been a real disintegration --

BEHAR: Well, was he capable of telling the truth when you knew him?

TACOPINA: To my knowledge, yes.

BEHAR: To your knowledge. He might have been lying then.

TACOPINA: His story -- except the evidence did support, the evidence that was revealed in Aruba after an FBI investigation, an Aruban investigation, a Dutch investigation, did support his claims which is why ultimately he was released in that case and never charged and the judge said there`s no evidence to support the charge against him.

CASAREZ: The attorney for Joran Van Der Sloot in Lima, Maximo Altez told us that there are over 600 pages of psychological findings from him through his whole life and they`ve got those pages and they`re going to use the psychological to the best of their ability in the defense for Joran Van Der Sloot. So these psychological issues didn`t just come about and it looks like they were documented from early on in life.

TACOPINA: And remember, Joy, Jean, you know this that Joran`s mother Anita, who really is a wonderful, wonderful woman tried in the last year and a half to get him committed.

BEHAR: Yes.

TACOPINA: To a psychological institution to get help. So this wasn`t -- this is not a create-your-defense thing after the fact. I mean, there have been issues deeply-rooted issues with this boy for a while.

BEHAR: Uh-huh.

VON ORNSTEINER: There always are when someone has a personality disorder or someone is suffering from the inability to get along with others or has the impulse problems to control their own impulses. So all of those things can be true but the person may really in fact just have a personality disorder.

BEHAR: He expressed remorse for quote "everything that`s happened since 2005, all the things said in the media and everything. I feel guilty for." You buy that?

VON ORNSTEINER: What else -- what else do we want him to say? Will we want to help someone who`s not remorseful? But his behavior more indicative of a person who is not remorseful; this is a person who appears to be a habitual liar. This is a person who seems to exploit people who are in pain, the parents. The parents were suffering from grief and an emotional pain -- this seems like an individual who lacks empathy and his impulse is to exploit society. His impulse is for personal gain.

CASAREZ: If you feel guilty, you did something wrong, didn't you?

TACOPINA: He definitely did something wrong. Hold on -- I mean he definitely did something wrong. Selling these false stories, creating the pain for the Holloway family and his own family and others, that`s doing something wrong. I think that`s what he`s copping to, if you will, in this video. He`s saying this was really bad, it was wrong for me to do.

I don`t think he speaks to the real things we`re concerned about.

BEHAR: I don`t think this story goes away any time soon.

TACOPINA: It will never go away.

BEHAR: Thanks very much guys.

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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: texasmom on September 08, 2010, 01:12:22 AM
Quote
CASAREZ: The attorney for Joran Van Der Sloot in Lima, Maximo Altez told us that there are over 600 pages of psychological findings from him through his whole life and they`ve got those pages and they`re going to use the psychological to the best of their ability in the defense for Joran Van Der Sloot. So these psychological issues didn`t just come about and it looks like they were documented from early on in life.

Disintegrated from 2005?  My azz!

Joe Tacopina is an idiot IMO.  Joran played him like a fiddle, and he needs to admit it.

ANITA fooled him too.  Double IDIOT!  Paulus, triple!

Not to mention ALE...

This guy needs to go hide under a rock for a while, he's got blood on his hands too!  ::MonkeyMad::

JMO


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: billb's daughter on September 08, 2010, 01:35:20 AM
tacopenis was paid by posner.....end of story......


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: texasmom on September 08, 2010, 02:02:15 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_Grad00o9.jpg)


(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/StephanyFlores_takentoosoon-1.jpg)

TRUTH AND JUSTICE
FOR NATALEE AND STEPHANY!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: carpe noctem on September 08, 2010, 02:18:02 AM
BEHAR: I don`t think this story goes away any time soon.

TACOPINA: It will never go away.

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You got that right, grease rag!


Money can't buy it away. Professional liars haven't been able to lie it away.

Love for Natalee and her family will be standing tall. Because it is genuine and true and comes straight from the heart and soul. Not something you will ever know about in this life, Joe.

Love for Nat has lasted for years...

It turned Paulus into worm food.

The same is coming for Joran.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 08, 2010, 02:29:24 AM
tacopenis was paid by posner.....end of story......

I agree billb.

It was imperative that Joran van der Sloot was not implicated in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.  The backlash would be that the Excelsior Casino as well as Carlos and Charlies Nightclub would be faced with a huge civil suits by the family of Natalee Holloway. 

Janet

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Excelsior Casino

'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' for April 3
updated 8:24 a.m. PT, Tues., April. 4, 2006


JOHN Q. KELLY, HOLLOWAY FAMILY ATTORNEY: Well, if you look at the surveillance video footage, it appears that he’s the one sitting directly next to her and tries to engage her in conversation a couple of times.  And it’s sort of ironic that it’s his father who brought his underage son to a casino and left him there after he left, with access to his line of credit, to put this unfortunate chain of events in process.

You know, if Joran had never been there, not been allowed in there, because he’s underage and wasn’t accompanied by his father, the whole rest of the night wouldn’t have happened.

COSBY: You know, and, John, also, why would that be a significant—why is that in conflict to something else we’ve heard maybe from Paulus before?

KELLY: Well, he’s just claiming that, you know, he’s kept an eye on his son, you know, he’s kept him on a short leash, and, you know, his son is very well-behaved. And it turns out that he’s, you know, got him at casinos. If you’re under 18, you’re not legally even allowed in casinos, so his son was breaking the law with him enabling it.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12150698/


Carlos and Charlies

Joran van der Sloot - Suspect Statement - June 9, 2005


After that we drove straight to Carlos & Charlies. Deepak was the driver but I cannot remember now who was sitting beside him. I do not remember now if it was Satish or me. I estimate that we arrived at Carlos & Charlies between 00.15 and 00.30 hours. Deepak parked his car on the parking lot behind Carlos & Charlies and after that we walked into the building of Carlos & Charlies. I don't have to pay because I have a VIP pass. With my VIP pass Deepak and Satish were also allowed in.

To your question as to who gave me the VIP pass to Carlos & Charlies, I answer you that I got it through the office of Carlos & Charlies. I do not remember with the help of who I got the VIP pass. I got to Carlos & Charlies about one to three times a week.


Excelsior Casino

Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Page 39:
  Following our brief conversation, we all walk immediately to the front desk to ask about someone named Joran who is staying in the hotel and plays in the casino here.  The Holiday Inn night manager, Brenda, knows him by name.  "Oh! yes ... yes ... Joran.  He gambles in the Excelsior Casino here.  He likes to prey on young female tourists.  Especially the blonds.  He is tall.  Good-looking boy.  Like a Dutch marine."   My mouth drops wide open.  "Where is he from?" I ask her.  She replies.  "He lives in Aruba."  I stutter.  "He's ... he's not a tourist just here for the summer?"  "Non, non," she says.

It takes a few moments to absorb this information.  The supposed tourist who befriended some of Natalee's classmates and who told them he was staying at their hotel lied to them.  He isn't a tourist.  He isn't staying here.


Carlos and Charlies

Transcript: Joran van der Sloot Goes 'On the Record,' Part 1
Wednesday, March 01, 2006


JORAN VAN DER SLOOT, CHIEF SUSPECT IN NATALEE HOLLOWAY DISAPPEARANCE: ... And then I asked her, What do you want to drink? And she's, like, Whatever. So she said, yes (INAUDIBLE) What do you suggest. And I said, Baccardi 151. That's a shot I normally take with my friends.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,186581,00.html


Carlos and Charlies

'The Abrams Report' for August 4
updated 8:37 a.m. PT, Fri., Aug. 5, 2005


BETH TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S MOTHER:  You know it's a pretty long scenario; we have a lot of details.  You know the main thing to sum it up is you know Joran, how he entered this establishment.  I believe that you know if you enter on the right side, you have to have a valid I.D.  If you enter Carlos N' Charlie's on the left side, you must have some type of—I don't know if it's a VIP pass or what to enter, but Joran enters the establishment on the left side, approaches these groups of tourists. 

You know it's interesting how he is able to try to work his way in and connect and establish himself in that—in Carlos N' Charlie's, was walking her around and these other tourists and was able to point out Satish and Deepak Kalpoe.  They were sitting ironically in the same corner, the same stools that they were seated at in the picture that's been all over international media, so that must be their spot that they wait while Joran is working.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8838598


Above the Law?

Jossy Mansur - DANA PRETZER - July 23, 2007

DANA: One thing that makes my listeners scratch their heads so to speak and wonder, myself included and we'll talk about it again, is the fact of the underage drinking and gambling that had been going on admittedly by young van der Sloot.  Was there ever any discussion or has there ever been any discussion at least of filing some charges as far as that goes?

JOSSY:  No, there hasn't been any of that. The authorities have just (inaudible) it aside, they haven't paid any attention to it then and they're not paying any attention to it now and over the past 26 months.    I haven't seen anything in the direction of trying to make some kind of statement that this is not (inaudiable) at least make some sort of a statement that this is not (inaubible) because it is a known fact that as an underage he wasn't supposed to be in the casino, much less in the company of his father. He was there, there are video tapes to prove that and still the authorities haven't done anything with regard to that specific case.

http://scaredmonkeysradio.com/2007/07/23/the-dana-pretzer-show-monday-july-23rd-2007-special-guests-larry-sinclair-jossy-mansur-ladonna-meredith-attorney-jay-paul-deratany/


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: msmarple on September 08, 2010, 06:13:43 AM
texasmom - thanks for bringing the Joy Behar interview over. I like that she called Joran the "Dutch dimwit."

Joran isn't a bit sorry about anything, except that he got caught.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Blonde on September 08, 2010, 08:57:37 AM
Did anybody see Joy Behar tonight?   I heard someone say that Taco threw Joran under the bus tonight.

I didn't watch it but it replays here in an hour and a half, I'll try to catch it then.

JOE TACOPINA, FORMER ATTORNEY FOR VAN DER SLOOT: You know, it sort of corroborates, Joy, everything I`ve been saying about what`s happened with him in the last few years. He`s gone down a real slippery slope to the point where he`s disintegrated. I think he`s desocialized in every way, shape and form.


And when you think about what he`s saying, he`s simply saying, look, at this point my life is over. I became the villain. No one was ever going to believe I wasn`t involved in Natalee Holloway`s disappearance and I started cashing in on it.

And you understand, as wrong as that is, people had given him over the years including American networks have given him money to tell a story, regardless how ridiculous that story was, he`d cashed -- literally cashed in and made a living out of selling the story -- different stories --

BEHAR: Without thinking maybe I`ll go to jail for the things that I`m saying?

TACOPINA: Without thinking about the consequence to anyone else`s family, the Holloway family or his legal ramifications. His -- the interview, the taped interview that we have all seen does really nothing to advance any case. He`s clearly saying in Aruba he had nothing to do with it but he was going to tell a story to get some money and, you know, he doesn`t answer any questions regarding Peru.


BEHAR: So he said he extorted the Holloway family to seek revenge and then he made up stories for the media. He lies.

TACOPINA: Constantly.


BEHAR: He takes money. He makes up things. Possibly murdered some - - a couple of girls.

TACOPINA: Well --


BEHAR: You`re a shrink kind of aren`t you? Forensic psychologist?

BUZZ VON ORNSTEINER, FORENSIC PSYCHOLOGIST: Yes. Yes, I am.

BEHAR: Is he a sociopath or a psychopath?

VON ORNSTEINER: You know, I would look at him as having an anti- social personality or at least anti-social traits. And when we look at someone like that, we all have a personality. You know? You have a personality. I have a personality.

BEHAR: Yes.

VON ORNSTEINER: Well, we are looking at someone with a personality disorder. Didn`t just happen overnight. This develops in childhood generally. The person has a conduct disorder in childhood and then it develops. Now whether it`s nature or nurture, or whether it`s brain chemistry, some people think the person may be born that way based on personality and temperament. But in any case it develops and the person just does not have empathy, does not have the ability --

BEHAR: They`re lacking empathy.

VON ORNSTEINER: Lacking empathy -- doesn`t have the ability to follow the norms of society. He`s there really to exploit, rape, molest the individuals that he comes into contact with for his own personal gain. This is an individual who lacks impulse control. They need protection from the impulses. We are seeing this -- how he lies, manipulates, exploits people --

BEHAR: but you say he lacks empathy, and yet, what do you make of this quote, Jean? "I feel really bad that her family had to lose a daughter. It really does hurt me," in the case of the Flores murder in Peru. He`s talking about that case.

CASAREZ: Well, I guess --

BEHAR: Does he feel empathy there or is just -- he`s trying to get off the hook here? Or -- what has he done?

VON ORNSTEINER: We want to believe.


VON ORNSTEINER: I mean, we also want to believe that he`s empathetic. He`s giving us really what we want to hear because he knows he is in trouble. He`s trying to look for ways -- it`s like someone who`s in quicksand. They`re sinking and they`re reaching out for anything that can possibly pull them out of there.

CASAREZ: But let me give you the opposite here. We spoke with the original attorney by his side during this alleged confession and the translator that was by his side. They both said that when he gave this alleged confession with descriptive words of how he murdered Stephanie Flores, he just said it like we`re talking right now. There was no emotion. There was no empathy. There was no guilt. It was just talking like --

BEHAR: So he`s playing us. He`s playing everybody?

VON ORNSTEINER: He`s looking for any way out; any way that he can get out and that`s what an anti-social personality would do.

BEHAR: There`s a difference between anti-social and asocial, right?

VON ORNSTEINER: Anti-social is a personality disorder. They can be mixed. I don`t know about his childhood. I just know his father tried to bail him out a couple of times and was successful. I don`t know about how his parents were --

BEHAR: Do you know anything about it?

TACOPINA: Of course, yes. First of all, his father never bailed him out of anything.

VON ORNSTEINER: He didn`t?

TACOPINA: No, no, no. I represented him in that case and it wasn`t about his father. The evidence bailed him out in Aruba. It wasn`t anything but that. His father was someone who had absolutely no political clout whatsoever.

BEHAR: Do you agree with that Jean?

VON ORNSTEINER: Here was -- here was a boy who five years ago, Joy, I really believed was a smart, charismatic, intelligent kid who had been put under enormous pressure as a teenage boy, been at really the eye of a storm and had a target on his back.

He`s disintegrated into somebody who I do not know. Someone who was not the same person we met five years ago. You know? And it`s a sad story.

No matter how this turns out in Peru. I don`t know whether he`s guilty, innocent or what in Peru. I don`t know the evidence, but I will tell you that there`s been a real disintegration --

BEHAR: Well, was he capable of telling the truth when you knew him?

TACOPINA: To my knowledge, yes.


BEHAR: To your knowledge. He might have been lying then.

TACOPINA: His story -- except the evidence did support, the evidence that was revealed in Aruba after an FBI investigation, an Aruban investigation, a Dutch investigation, did support his claims which is why ultimately he was released in that case and never charged and the judge said there`s no evidence to support the charge against him.


CASAREZ: The attorney for Joran Van Der Sloot in Lima, Maximo Altez told us that there are over 600 pages of psychological findings from him through his whole life and they`ve got those pages and they`re going to use the psychological to the best of their ability in the defense for Joran Van Der Sloot. So these psychological issues didn`t just come about and it looks like they were documented from early on in life.

TACOPINA: And remember, Joy, Jean, you know this that Joran`s mother Anita, who really is a wonderful, wonderful woman tried in the last year and a half to get him committed.

BEHAR: Yes.

TACOPINA: To a psychological institution to get help. So this wasn`t -- this is not a create-your-defense thing after the fact. I mean, there have been issues deeply-rooted issues with this boy for a while.

BEHAR: Uh-huh.

VON ORNSTEINER: There always are when someone has a personality disorder or someone is suffering from the inability to get along with others or has the impulse problems to control their own impulses. So all of those things can be true but the person may really in fact just have a personality disorder.

BEHAR: He expressed remorse for quote "everything that`s happened since 2005, all the things said in the media and everything. I feel guilty for." You buy that?

VON ORNSTEINER: What else -- what else do we want him to say? Will we want to help someone who`s not remorseful? But his behavior more indicative of a person who is not remorseful; this is a person who appears to be a habitual liar. This is a person who seems to exploit people who are in pain, the parents. The parents were suffering from grief and an emotional pain -- this seems like an individual who lacks empathy and his impulse is to exploit society. His impulse is for personal gain.

CASAREZ: If you feel guilty, you did something wrong, did you?

TACOPINA: He definitely did something wrong. Hold on -- I mean he definitely did something wrong. Selling these false stories, creating the pain for the Holloway family and his own family and others, that`s doing something wrong. I think that`s what he`s copping to, if you will, in this video. He`s saying this was really bad, it was wrong for me to do.


I don`t think he speaks to the real things we`re concerned about.

BEHAR: I don`t think this story goes away any time soon.

TACOPINA: It will never go away.


BEHAR: Thanks very much guys.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1009/07/joy.01.html


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Edward on September 08, 2010, 10:41:51 AM
Joran Vendersloot has a pattern of behavior and following of people same as Ted Bundy who brutally murdered and defended himself with a high degree of intelligence and lied all the way to his own death by execution and even laughed about it at the very end.
He laughed at the foolish people that listened to his lies. He found them entertaining.
So does Joran.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 08, 2010, 11:25:16 AM
Maybe there has been some mending of fences between Joe Tacopina and "the family" since Joran van der Sloots Peruvian detainment or ... are Tacopina's words regarding Anita van der Sloot self-serving.

Janet

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JOY BEHAR SHOW
Van Der Sloot Admits Extortion
Aired September 7, 2010 - 21:00:00   ET


JEAN CASAREZ, CORRESPONDENT, "IN SESSION": The attorney for Joran Van Der Sloot in Lima, Maximo Altez told us that there are over 600 pages of psychological findings from him through his whole life and they`ve got those pages and they`re going to use the psychological to the best of their ability in the defense for Joran Van Der Sloot. So these psychological issues didn`t just come about and it looks like they were documented from early on in life.

JOE TACOPINA, FORMER ATTORNEY FOR VAN DER SLOOT:  And remember, Joy, Jean, you know this that Joran`s mother Anita, who really is a wonderful, wonderful woman tried in the last year and a half to get him committed.

JOY BEHAR, HOST: Yes.

TACOPINA: To a psychological institution to get help. So this wasn`t -- this is not a create-your-defense thing after the fact. I mean, there have been issues deeply-rooted issues with this boy for a while.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1009/07/joy.01.html
 

Peru murder suspect to be expelled from Chile, Interpol says
June 4, 2010 9:23 a.m. EDT


The victim's father said he believes van der Sloot is responsible for the young woman's death.

"We have all the evidence to show that the killer is this man," businessman and race-car driver Ricardo Flores told CNN en Español.

But van der Sloot's former attorney, Joseph Tacopina, told CNN it was too early to reach any conclusions.

"I just think we need to take a step back before we get to the 'I told you so' stage, and let's see what the evidence is here," Tacopina said Thursday.

Tacopina said he is not representing van der Sloot and no longer has a good relationship with the family.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/06/04/peru.murder.case/index.html?hpt=T2


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 08, 2010, 11:40:11 AM
No Political Clout?  Jossy Mansur claims otherwise.

Janet

+++++++

JOY BEHAR SHOW
Van Der Sloot Admits Extortion
Aired September 7, 2010 - 21:00:00   ET


JOE TACOPINA, FORMER ATTORNEY FOR VAN DER SLOOT: Of course, yes. First of all, his father never bailed him out of anything.

BUZZ VON ORNSTEINER, FORENSIC PSYCHOLOGIST:: He didn`t?

TACOPINA: No, no, no. I represented him in that case and it wasn`t about his father. The evidence bailed him out in Aruba. It wasn`t anything but that. His father was someone who had absolutely no political clout whatsoever.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1009/07/joy.01.html


NANCY GRACE
Latest in Search for Natalee Holloway
Aired October 4, 2005 - 20:00:00   ET


NANCY GRACE, HOST: … Jossy, regarding the connection, what I perceived to be a close connection between the judge, Paulus Van Der Sloot and the retired chief of police who initially handled Natalee`s case, Van Der Stratten, were they friends?
 
JOSSY MANSUR, MANAGING EDITOR, "EL DIARIO": Of course, they were friends. It stands to reason they were friends because Paul Van Der Sloot had many friends within the police department; he had many friends within the Department of Justice. And he had many friends with -- and he was friendly with all the judges in Aruba. He worked out of the same office as they did and did the same work.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0510/04/ng.01.html


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Magnolia on September 08, 2010, 12:19:44 PM
The interview with the Dutch reporter on the Today Show this morning:

http://today.msnbc.msm.com/id/26184891/vp/3905569#39055691

Now if that link doesn't work, it is over on the right of the Today Show page.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: texasmom on September 08, 2010, 01:59:53 PM
The interview with the Dutch reporter on the Today Show this morning:

http://today.msnbc.msm.com/id/26184891/vp/3905569#39055691

Now if that link doesn't work, it is over on the right of the Today Show page.

Thanks Magnolia!  ::MonkeyKiss::

That link didn't work for me, this is where I ended up

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/37642457#39055691


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
Post by: Magnolia on September 08, 2010, 02:10:49 PM
The interview with the Dutch reporter on the Today Show this morning:

http://today.msnbc.msm.com/id/26184891/vp/3905569#39055691

Now if that link doesn't work, it is over on the right of the Today Show page.

Thanks Magnolia!  ::MonkeyKiss::

That link didn't work for me, this is where I ended up

http://www.msn