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Where's Kyron?

I must say, 50 pages go by in a flash.

 ::MonkeyEek::

(http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq117/Wyks_/Kyron/Kyron7a.jpg)

Wow! I've never been first to post in a new cage. Too bad I didn't have something relevant and exciting to say.  ::MonkeyGavel::

We landed safely..TY

lol Scatty!  It's all good!   ::MonkeyDance::

You are welcome, neighbor.

 ::dogwag::

 ::MonkeyAngel::

Klaas and Muffy have been doing an amazing job.  Thanks for the wonderful pictures, Brandi!

 ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::

It was totally relevant!  What could be more relevant than "Where is Kyron?" 

You're welcome.

So.. these pressers.  On the one hand, disappointing.  On the other, maybe LE wants it to be thatta way.  As in....... flood the public with nothing, maybe they'll start expecting nothing and want us to go away, which we then will. 

?? 

Or.......... Maybe it seems like nothing to us, the public, yet has every meaning to an intended target, as others have mentioned... one or more perps? 

 

The gavel for justice is relevant and exciting!

Titch..I remember your posts about James and Quinn now.  Well I think Terri was more then ready to move on for a while now..and it seems she always needs a man around..I am sure she put the move on any man in the room if she could get away with it..just sayin..the girl seems to have alot of issues. 

But I don't think she would have placed Kyron down in the area near James and Quinn..specifically because that would mean she had some feelings for him in sending home or hurting Desiree.

I think that she had feelings for no one but herself.  She seems to be sort of hedonistic to me...and I do think she handed him off to someone to do her dirty work for her.  I just don't see her getting her hands dirty..anymore then I see her liking gardening... moreso she liked gardeners.

Yes, thank you for the smooth landing, Bearly!   ::MonkeyKiss::

where'd everyone go?  ::MonkeyJnBox::  I've got to get something done today before my DH starts looking for a landscaper housekeeper.  ::MonkeyEek::  I've been enjoying the last days of summer with the kiddos and I have been super lazy negligent in my domestic duties.  See ya'll later.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::   ::MonkeyDevil::

Have fun O4Bull!  And I saw your reply to me earlier, thanks!   ::MonkeyKiss::

Titch..

In this post of yours earlier,
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8358.msg1204929#msg1204929 (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8358.msg1204929#msg1204929)

I can follow that line of reasoning, even get onboard with ya about it.  Kind of a 'revenge theory'??  makes sense.  It will be interesting as time goes on, to see if any of that turns out to be true.  Am guessing some/all just might.   ::MonkeyWink::

 ::MonkeyAngel:: Please find Kyron

i would like to thank all monkeys for their input,insights,links from
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8358.0
getting through all the new info in that thread, was like working hard labor
so the drinks are on me, and thanks again, i think the presser has given us
new info to work out, if i can collect my thoughts that are running running
i have an idea or 2 need some time to think it through
enjoy
 ::monkeywine2::

Thanks everyone for all your prayers!!!!  Things went off without a hitch and doc said my baby was awsome.  He's in bed relaxing and healing with his 'goofy' medicine  God Bless all of you wonderful Monkeys. 

I've caught up some and all I've learned from the PC is that it looks like they really don't know squat and still need the publics help...is that what you guys got from it?  They have focused so hard on TH that I hope they haven't missed something that was right in front of them the whole time.  Why wouldn't they ask for this truck sighting info at the beginning?  LE knew she drove it June 3 and 4 and didn't trust her account of her timeline so why wait so long?  To me, it looks like they've convicted TH first and then trying to prove it and going bassackward all the while!!!!! 

Wyks, here it is in full:

Sorry, had to run out for a sec to pick up my boys from the park. Thanks you guys! Actually, I have a very good connection on another site. She shared some of her info with another poster & that other poster shared some extra links with her! Trying to figure out a couple of other things, too, once I get these snapshots done. I'd like to capture them before they go poof.

NOTE that one of the comments on the January 2010 album has Terri informing that the boys are self sufficient and they can't have anymore kids... She was returning a comment to somebody that was talking about how cute Kiara & the rest of the family is. So, here's what I'm wondering...

Klaas (Wyks, Brandi, everyone), follow me for a sec, please... Say James went to live with his grandparents, then ended up with his dad & step-mom, bc he wasn't getting along with either Terri or Kaine. Terri feels like she lost her child, a son that's been with her since he was born. This is a woman that brought up AIDS in a divorce fight with her exhusband, plus from what I understand he has a record maybe dating back to 1998 (or 96, can't remember)...so he doesn't fight the way he really should, Ecker comes into James' life & he adopts him. Sometime during or shortly after the divorce between Terri & Ron, she says he doesn't have it anymore, or something to that effect. At this point I'm thinking this lady has some serious problems. Well, keep in mind James is out of the Horman home at the beginning of the year sometime. Maybe, just maybe, Terri hears a rumor that her husband could have gotten somebody else pregnant...maybe having an affair. I have NOT found proof of any of this, and I tend to think Terri mixes alot of lie with a lil bit of truth to make her stories seem more believable... But maybe, just maybe, there could be something to this. If she can no longer have children, if say maybe she got her tubes tied for Kaine, then she hears he got somebody else pregnant - knowing she already gave her son up to his bio dad for whatever reason - this could be enough to push somebody over the extreme edge. It does not change the fact that it's wrong to make Kyron disappear, but it could just maybe be the trigger... With all of her actions thus far, seems to me she has a psychosis...just sayin'...

Here's the January 2010 FB album:
http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=2050152&id=1264414625

Here's her comment:
Terri Moulton Horman Aww, thanks Lori. Nope, I think Kiara broke the mold. We can't have anymore and I think of it as ending on a happy note. She's a wonderful baby and the boys are self-sufficient. :) Good luck to you and Perry though! You have a great husband and adorable kids.
January 14 at 4:03pm · Report

Now note the date she posted this...Wow.

Here are the links to ALL of her Facebook albums...at least I think this is all of them...

Retro Circa 1970 http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=2050716&id=1264414625

We Love Halloween (03-?) http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=2018740&id=1264414625

Emerald Cup (from 05 added 08-09) http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=2011861&id=1264414625

Disney World 2008 (July 1-10 while on Kaine's sabbatical. Album added Sept 2008) http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=2007508&id=1264414625

Pregnant with Kiara (added in 09 but from middle 08) http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=2018821&id=1264414625

Baby Shower September 2008 http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=2018853&id=1264414625

Mustang (November 2008) http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=2009619&id=1264414625

Kiara's Visitors November 2008 visitors http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=2019463&id=1264414625

Dec 2008 http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=2019506&id=1264414625

New Years album: http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=2015513&id=1264414625

Jan 2009 http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=2019518&id=1264414625

Feb 2009 http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=2019519&id=1264414625

Wat Matt & the Blazer Game (Feb 09) http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=2017638&id=1264414625

Kaine Bday (Feb 09) http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=2017637&id=1264414625

Swimming lessons (added Feb-Jun 09) http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=2018852&id=1264414625

Squirrel collection (March 2009) http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=2020464&id=1264414625

Happy St. Patrick's Day (March 2009) http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=2020437&id=1264414625

March 2009 http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=2023908&id=1264414625

April 2009 http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=2021980&id=1264414625

May 2009 http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=2024219&id=1264414625

June 2009 http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=2026716&id=1264414625

July 2009 http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=2030257&id=1264414625

August 2009 http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=2032287&id=1264414625

September 2009 http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=2037219&id=1264414625

Oct 2009 http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=2039936&id=1264414625

November 2009 http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=2043044&id=1264414625

Kiara's 1st Birthday (Nov 09) http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=2044075&id=1264414625

December 2009 http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=2045864&id=1264414625

January 2010 http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=2050152&id=1264414625
Be sure to read album comments "we can't have anymore, and the boy's are self sufficient."

February 2010 http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=2052718&id=1264414625

March 2010 http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=2056413&id=1264414625

April 2010 http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=2059454&id=1264414625

May 2010 http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=2063551&id=1264414625

June 2010 http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=2066372&id=1264414625

James, Kyron, Quinn (08-10) http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=2010775&id=1264414625

 ::MonkeyAngel::

TY Titch for the album pics and thanks for reposting that on this thread.

So glad to hear your baby boy is doing fine! ::MonkeyDance::

You're welcome!

 ::monkeywine2::

D in Tex, You posted this at the end of the last thread:

did you notice this one? Who posted this on August 1st?  interesting...
James, Kyron, Quinn (08-10)http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=2010775&id=1264414625

D, I'm confused. I posted that album but that album is not from August... Are you referring to my post that I was referencing to Gypsy? I'll go look for them but I got some slack from a couple of posters...still think it's interesting...have to go look for it...

anytime pookie! looking for that other stuff i posted. be back soon...

Could be no different from other investigations and instead of going door to door, they are also going public with what they are asking door to door.  More efficient, if you ask me, now that everything is out in the open.

I forgot to add, I am so grateful that your son's procedure went well.  Thank God for answered prayers.

 ::monkeywine2::

Ahhhh good, glad to know things went well, melis!  Is your baby the type who when he gets back to his ornery self, you'll know for sure all is well?  lol  Or the sweet, never ornery type?  Either way, praying for a quick recovery.  Then you can relax.   ::MonkeyKiss::


Am sure hoping that LE has more than they are letting on.  Else....  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Thanks Titch..

Have just chased down 3 renegade Huskies.   ::dogwag::

Now.. can ya help a girl out here?  Need a roadmap on the significance of that date, plzzzzz. 

 ::MonkeyEek::

If we take into accord Angela Rockwood's FB wall, he was in Roseburg the end of Jan - beginning of Feb. It's also around the time of the supposed MFH.

Melisb, prayers to your son, as well as your whole family. Here's wishing to a speedy recovery!

In reference to James going to Roseburg, sorry.

Glad your son is doing well  ::MonkeyAngel::  It seems backwards to me also.

So..is this theory a possibility?

Terri does actually take the project to school on Thurs and set it up with Kyron , take some pics and then they return home.

Next morning all goes as has been said so far at the house...she Kiara and Kyron leave for school.  Someone else parks beside them in a red Mustang and keeps and eye on Kiara, while Terri and Kyron are in school.  Terri does her stick with the teacher, leaves Kyron in the hall by the stairwell to the outside and tells him I to wait outside for her.

She doesn't stay until 8:45 ..she only stays until 8:30 .  She exists with making sure she was seen there and that she was seen leaving alone.

She goes to the parking lot.  The person with Kiara has already placed her in the borrowed red Mustang.  Terri hops in the Mustang with Kiara and leaves.  The other person hops in the truck..drives to the other side by the access road and Kyron comes to the truck..figuring it is his step mom and hops in.  That person drives him to his final destination  or hands him off to others in Portland. Terri has already made it clear she does not want to know where, when or how Kyron is disposed of so she can answer truthfully those questions if asked.

Meanwhile:
Terri tools around in the Mustang, shopping, comforting Kiara..picks up DeDe as a further alibi moans about Kiara's illness, Kaine being mean..whatever..gets a call on the bat phone and meets the person with her truck on the island ..they switch back vehicles, she swipes in at the gym and she goes home.

Do your thing Monkeys shoot holes in this until we get the right vibe.

 ::MonkeyKiss::

I ain;t shootin' no holes bc it's exactly what I think! Same as you...

Hey Monkeys! Wanted to post this before I logged off.

The following are a list of people that were very active on TH's FB albums, including the ones that Titch posted. I separated them by topic. There are TH only, TH & DDS, and friends who hit the delete button on TH's FB. These are the ones that I could confirm. Some of them, I couldn't because they went totally private.

I firmly believe that someone besides DDS is involved, and it has to be someone that has a strong personality to not come forward with what they know. Anyway, here ya go.

Confirmed FB friends of TH only:

http://www.facebook.com/imabeer (http://www.facebook.com/imabeer)
Lauren Beer – Co-owner of Tres Bon salon (where TH frequented & socialized)

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1054319931 (http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1054319931)
Olga Edwards

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1437736203 (http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1437736203)
Jenny Henderson Hammerquist

http://www.facebook.com/jessica.norton2#!/jessica.norton2 (http://www.facebook.com/jessica.norton2#!/jessica.norton2)
Jessica Wright Norton (not confirmed)

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=644765895 (http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=644765895)
Bailey Bonham (not confirmed) 20 year old & lives in Banks, Or. Banks is where Kaine said to search a horse property.

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1274531937 (http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1274531937)
Coach-Adam Farber (swim coach)

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1526722465 (http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1526722465)
Lissa Piper

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000399621180 (http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000399621180)
Kari Ramadorai (also friends with Karen Sharpes Wu)

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=19711116 (http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=19711116)
Nicole Benthin (nurse at Providence)

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=535392292 (http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=535392292)
Richelle Correa

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000146064850 (http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000146064850)
Amanda Wright (only one with KH & TH on her friends list) very young

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1620256542&ref=sgm (http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1620256542&ref=sgm)
D'arcy Usher Martin

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=574884798 (http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=574884798)
Kandi Kirby

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1425523729 (http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1425523729)
Stacee Rae Love-Malcolm

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=657028505 (http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=657028505)
Traci Crayne Previtera (lives in Banks, Or )

Confirmed FB friends with TH & DDS:

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1662262373 (http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1662262373)
Karen Sharpes Wu (Realtor in the state of Oregon)

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1033260632 (http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1033260632)
Liesl Andrico (Liesl Prather)

FB friends who removed TH from friends list:

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1217859653 (http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1217859653)
Pamela Murray (affected her the most. The other day her profile pic was a deflated red balloon that said something like “ How could I not have known? What was I thinking?” She was VERY active on TH’s FB and went to lunch with her. I feel bad for her.

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1767062024 (http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1767062024)
Cherlyn Guido (Roseburg, Or)

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000281586387 (http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000281586387)
Rebekah Young

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1603823049 (http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1603823049)
Michelle Ross- Stevens (keeps daily updates on her FB wall of Kyron news)

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1087190879 (http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1087190879)
Tifany Byers

Gypsy, Here's those posts I was referring to on the last thread (read them in order):
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8311.msg1193930#msg1193930
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8311.msg1193932#msg1193932
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8311.msg1193933#msg1193933
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8311.msg1193938#msg1193938
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8311.msg1193954#msg1193954
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8311.msg1193959#msg1193959
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8311.msg1193971#msg1193971
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8311.msg1193976#msg1193976

Now go to Kiara's Visitors album (November 2008):
http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=2019463&id=1264414625

Greg, Amy & their daughter Cassidy were 3 of her first visitors. This sure is a tight-knit family if you ask me... Ummm, which reminds me, wonder why Cassidy wasn't at her brother's birthday dinner with her father, Kyron, James, Kiara & Terri. Neither was her mother. Maybe she had something to do that night? Coulda been in a dance recital or something...(just an example)

Sassifrass - Thank you very much!

I thought it was posted on her page on 8-10, I misunderstood this>>>
James, Kyron, Quinn (08-10) http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=2010775&id=1264414625 (http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=2010775&id=1264414625)

And the above post was significant about the date in Jan.? 
sorry everyone....

I sure am leaning towards SOME kind of switcherooo....especially when you think that D and T could easily be confused by someone who does not know either woman well

Gypsy I can honestly say that is WOW!! makes sense, still doesn't answer they why or how she thought she could get away with it but WOW....

Oh how sad poor thing, can't imagine how she would feel...
Snipped>>>

I guess I just don't see how "similar" Terri and DeDe look.  To me they look very different.
Pictures we saw of Terri on June 4, she is slender compared to DeDe.
Terri's hair is a very rich red while DeDe's is a blonde red.
Terri's hair is much longer than DeDe's.
Terri's hair is straight compared to DeDe's very curly hair.
Terri wears bangs and DeDe doesn't.
Terri has a drawn down look to her face when she isn't smiling - and somewhat pretty when she does smile; whereas, DeDe has a more round face and a cutesy look.
IMP, I personally don't think these two women look alike enough to confuse them.

In pictures, I would agree, but on a busy morning, in passing, a person that you might not know but are used to seeing in certain vehicles, might easily be mistaken for another.  Two red headed women might not look a lot alike, but put a hat on them, put them in similar cars in similar circumstances and I am betting that many people might be fooled....

I agree Puzzler, but I did see a photo of DD with her hair pulled back and a ball cap on and she looked a lot like TH.

I have no idea if TH wears many ball caps and haven't seen any pics of her in one...that I can remember, but under those circumstances, i think she could pass for TH. JMO

I don't think they look alike either, but I suppose a person could get confused if a hat was on, and if the windows are tinted. I never noticed are the truck windows tinted?

 ::HelloKitty::  I have to repost my question.  I am not talking about the pictures of the truck today.

I am asking about satellite photos in general and if there is ANY chance that there might be satellite photos of June 4 that would show Skyline or any of the other locations.

I am wondering if satellite photos are saved and if there is any chance that there are any.

 ::HelloKitty:: wasn't Terri wearing a ball cap the day she and Kaine went to the gym and wouldn't talk to media?

We were talking about this game the other day maybe the whole family played it?

(http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-snc1/v2598/0/7/1264414625/n1264414625_368864_1301839.jpg)
James hoping some Irish luck will help him with World Of Warcraft.
Add a caption
James hoping some Irish luck will help him with World Of Warcraft.

In this photo: James Moulton
Added March 17, 2009

You know, I have never seen that video, she might possibly have had one on...going to look. ::MonkeyWink::

Are these steps in the back of the building?

http://s780.photobucket.com/albums/yy81/gwenabob/Skyline%20School/?action=view&current=SkylineSchool018.jpg

The interesting thing is that if you ask 10 people what they saw during an incident you may get many different answers.  The brain has some pretty funny tricks.  I think if you saw a woman walking a small white dog day after day, and then one day she shows up with a black one, a lot of people will not notice, and will swear they saw the same woman walking a small white dog.   KWIM??

I wish that I could help, hopefully someone will, don't really know much about satellite photos.

I totally agree, I see that just with my daughter and husband going to the store, one of us will see something or two of us will, but one of us won't. I've also walked through the neighborhood and will say, wow, was this here the whole time and my daughter will say, yes it has been here forever  ::MonkeyEek::

Hello Kitty you were right, good memory!

In the KH picture thread -  http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8203.20 (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8203.20)

Blonde posted a photo from the video showing TH in a ball cap. It is kind of a back/side shot...sure wish it was from the front.

I think so.

Janet

++++++

Former detective: Parents’ silence not unheard of but not the norm
June 10, 2010

KATU News extended an invitation to Horman’s parents to speak to the media after a reporter found them at a local gym Wednesday after their workout.

But the Horman’s drove off without responding to a question how the media could help.

http://www.katu.com/news/local/96033344.html?


Video Clip

0.50
http://www.katu.com/news/local/96033344.html?tab=video

Why would someone do this?  I am scared that they hurt him....

No those are the front according to the description but there are steps in the back:


Inside the front side door
I put the camera up to the door. Just stairs. Would be very easy for a kid to stand by the door to the right and not be seen by people walking in the hall even with the hall doors open.


More pics

http://s160.photobucket.com/albums/t166/ubrmel/SKYLINE%20SCHOOL/

Wyks, he's the sweetest, well mannered child you will ever meet and might I add interspersed with the typical teenage mouth!!!!  Sharp tongued one minute and apologizing for it in the same breath.  Hormones running wild.  He's caught in that stage of not throwing the action figures away yet but really likes girls ALOT!  Poor fella. He was hospitalized and at the docs office for the first 1/4 of his life so it's a breeze for him.  Mama and Daddy are SOOOO proud of their young man. 

Satelite photos can be very old..depends when the sat was over your neighborhood.  I think the sats are constantly recording..but what is saved evryday is probably for military or industry..not google earth or the others.  The pic of my house in google earth is almost 20 years old.

going back to the PC
im wondering if, the witnesses really had the time correct when they saw TH
at the school, could TH have suggested the time it was, in conversation
so the witnesses assumed it was that time, like it was really 8;30 but
TH suggested it was 8;45

TH; well its almost 8;45, i got a few more pics and checked out X
exhibit,  i have to get going to the DR appt. now ect.

could be why LE wants more witnesses to that fact

TH says she has a receipt that she was at FM at X time
could it be when she was interviewed it got lost, or never had it
so LE is looking for info, to that fact, because LE
 cant find the truck on the parking lot vids, the pics of the FM PKL
are prob shots where TH said she parked
so they want a witness,that saw the truck and maybe
with someone in it
http://www.kgw.com/news/slideshows/Photos-Horman-vehicle-search-100456694.html?gallery=y&c=y&ref=%2Fnews%2Fslideshows&img=2

http://www.kgw.com/news/slideshows/Photos-Horman-vehicle-search-100456694.html?gallery=y&c=y&ref=%2Fnews%2Fslideshows&img=2


and 8;45 in video, they are discussing the flyer being suggestive
i think the first flyer, was suggestive,i think it should of had only
kyron on it, then later with more info gathered by LE, do a poster
with the truck and TH
i also think the new flyer is suggestive, because dds face has been on the news
so the targeted audience the LE suggested it was for will be lost
http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/8862580

for those wondering about the pics, depicted is the key word
 at 2;15 the gentleman in the blue tie says, they want help to ID
 the truck at the places depicted in the photos
http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/8862580

final thoughts on the PC, i think the LE are looking for and to dispel
circumstantial evidence for a charge against,..., for maybe obstruction of
justice,and hoping to get more clues that leads to kyron

and if TH is the person responsible for kyrons disappearance, i think she
watched to many csi, and thought she could do the perfect crime, could it
be she did and and muddled it enough,that LE is having a hard time with the clues

all the above JMO

i think it was wkys that talked about the service road as a unseen way out

Melisb, sending prayers for your son!  I hope he heals quickly!

Have also noticed that the more populated areas are updated on Google Earth quite often in comparsion to the more rural areas.  Example: We moved 6 years ago from the Los Angeles County area, checking on our old house  have seen major changes to the yard and house  since we moved and all changes  can be seen on current google.

We now live in the "country" in N. Texas and have made several changes in the yard over the years....Patio was added 6 years ago, trees added, etc., still if you google it, house and yard look to be from several years ago.   Same with our small town, much has changed but not on current google.  I'm sure that Portland proper is updated more often, but possibly not the out-lying areas.

Did you see the experiment Oprah did about this sort of thing several years ago?  She had a guy snatch a woman's purse while people were lined up outside to get into her show.  Then she questioned them about what they saw.  Almost no one could remember exactly; only a very few got close.

she was
http://www.katu.com/news/local/96033344.html?tab=video

was going to upload a pic, dont have that option anymore i guess
ill send to klaas

I think LE is a breath away from what they want..not need ..want..which is just one more witness to the car aswitch, or the timeline.  Why I say that is because they did start to say that they had a witness and kind backed off.  We know that DeDe according to her lawyer is telling what she knows.  If what she knows is that she was picked up in a car other then the white truck..she knows her friend has been lying to her and using her.  Her bat phone friends have all figured that out by now..because things just aren't adding up the way she told her story and the reason they had the bat phones was about Kyron ..not as I believe she told them Kaine.

LE was speaking to certain individuals today..they seemed upbeat and smug.  They seemed like if you don't come forward about the car parked by her van..no problem ..we'll find you...better the person comes forward then LE find them first...come forward you get to be a witness for the prosecution..notice how many times today they used the word witness. 

That's what DeDe is now..a witness for the prosecution and so are the other members of the girl gang Terri used..witnesses for the prosecution....they are just looking for one more..the person who knows where Kyron is..they get to be a witness and get some bargaining power with LE .   Terri's time has run out.

If LE or FBI wanted a current (like right now) satellite view they could get it.  We normal people only have access to places like Google Earth which depending upon the area can be several years old.  I know that in my neighborhood the google maps are about 5 or 6 years old at least.

Let me see if I can fix that option.  We removed it when we were having server problems.

ITA..goverment, military, certain industry have paid for and financed the sat system from the beginning..they get first dibs.

Interesting. :idea:

Edited:  Right LE/FBI would have access to something like that if they really really wanted it and it was not a security issue long before any of us would.

Thank-you.  Frontside steps means frontside steps.  ::MonkeyHaHa::  Some people have sidedoors considered backdoors.
This isn't that kind of side-door / back-door.  Thank-you. I should stop second guessing what I read.  ::MonkeyEek::

But here is my main quest..whom was Terri mixed up with, who took Kyron away from the school, who was he handed off to..

WHERE IS DEAR LITTLE KYRON RED EYED FROG EXPERT AND GENTLE SOUL..WHERE IS KYRON?

Please can a mod correct Kyron's name in my last post..also I hit purple on my computer it looks a little red..if you need to change the color please do so..so sorry for the trouble.

Thank you so much!..Gypsy

Klaas..Thank you so much..you are so fast and way ahead of me! ::MonkeyKiss::

Whatever happened to Kyron it's becoming clearer and clearer that Terri and possibly DeDe are in on it.  No matter what their reasoning, there is no justification for disappearing Kyron.  Now even if Kyron is "stashed away safe" someplace, the damage that has been done to everyone that loves Kryon is immeasurable.  Then there is the cost of the investigation. 

TELL THE TRUTH NOW - CUT YOUR LOSSES

http://www.katu.com/news/local/100490074.html

Attorney: DeDe Spicher cooperating with police

by Thom Jensen KATU News and KATU.com Staff

Originally printed at http://www.katu.com/news/local/100490074.html

PORTLAND, Ore. -  Terri Horman’s friend, DeDe Spicher, is cooperating with the police and is telling them the truth, her attorney Chad Stavley said Wednesday outside the Multnomah County Courthouse while working on an unrelated case.

The lead prosecutor heading the Kyron investigation said he is still trying to work with Spicher through her attorney but said he did not want to comment on whether he believes she is telling investigators everything.

Spicher appears with Horman on a recent flier investigators handed out to residents near the school where Kyron Horman was last seen the morning of June 4.

Bruce McCain, a former Multnomah County sheriff’s captain and current attorney said a mix message is being sent.

“According to her lawyer she’s cooperating and yet within days of that statement she appears side by side on a Terri Horman quasi-wanted poster,” McCain said.

While Spicher and Horman have not been named suspects in the disappearance of Kyron, they both have been questioned over and over about what they did the morning the 7-year-old vanished.

“This is going to be up to the district attorney to look at DeDe Spicher and figure out what her criminal culpability is in this whole affair and decide, is she worth giving up in order to get someone else?” McCain said.

By giving up, McCain means forcing Spicher to testify and give up her right to silence. So far she has not given one word of testimony to the grand jury investigating Kyron’s disappearance.

“DeDe Spicher will not testify before the grand jury now without a grant of immunity from the lead prosecutor,” McCain said. “That’s becoming more and more clear as each day goes by.”
If Spicher is forced to testify to the grand jury she will be granted immunity.

The grand jury got Wednesday afternoon off after hearing other cases in the morning. They should start questioning other witnesses Thursday.

Hmmm.. then also about the same time Terri seems to have begun a decline. 
Thanks Titch! 

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/thballcap.jpg)

I'm going to Tip-Toe around this post, 'cause I do not have a link. The link to HLN's transcript is not available as yet for 8/11/10.

A "Criminal Profiler" questioned if SM obtained a prescription and gave to Kyron?  If the prescription was for an ear ache, it could

have been a med to allow the child to sleep.  Remember SM said the baby wouldn't sleep at night?

This is a real problem for the DA. If he gives her the immunity to testify and then she comes up with she kidnapped him. She couldn't be prosecuted. Is that correct?

thanks klaas
if i didnt know her well i would not recognize her in passing with a hat on

Good night Monkeys..sweet Dreams....Gypsy

 ::MonkeyAngel::

I just heard that KATU has another email about what was going on in the Horman home prior to Kyron disappearing. They will release on the 11:00pm news tonight. For those of you who are actually awake at that time maybe you could copy and post for those of us who get up real early.

I tend to go to bed normal time and get up extremely early. 

It sure works for me as a possibility, Gypsy!   ::rhino::

I'd love to find out if there's someone in her circle of friends/acquaintances who also owns a red mustang.  Even close enough to be called maroon or cranberry.  lol 

Wish we knew for sure whether or not there had been a sighting of a red mustang at the school that day.  We know that Kaine said he had Terri's mustang at work that morning.  And yet.. it's possible that she hangs around with other mustang owners. 

nite thanks for your opinion, insite, interesting

Wow sassifrass, nice work!!  Thank you!   ::rhino::

Good night Gypsy. Thank you for your interesting posts!!!

 ::HelloKitty::  this person who was formerly on TH's FB is a cousin of Desi's who lives in California

 ::HelloKitty::  I forgot to add

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1603823049
Michelle Ross- Stevens (keeps daily updates on her FB wall of Kyron news)

I think the authorities know where Terri's truck was parked at both the school and the Fred Meyers. They want someone who can be a witness to it and if that witness saw someone else with Terri or in her truck.

Maybe the two amigas ((http://i803.photobucket.com/albums/yy315/TomboyKetchup/smiley-amiga.gif)(http://i803.photobucket.com/albums/yy315/TomboyKetchup/smiley-amiga.gif)) switched vehicles or transfered "things" from one vehicle to another.

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The reason I think Kyron is no longer with us, is that if Terri had a choice between fessing up to where Kyron is stashed she would take that choice rather than paying $350,000... or $35,000 ... for an attorney.

Somehow I don't see her as letting all that money go, and keeping Kyron hidden FOR ANY REASON.

MOO

Very possible.

I can try...lol, I tend to stay up too late and HAVE to get up early ::MonkeyTongue:: ...second thought, maybe someone who can see straight will be able to.. :shaking:

 ::HelloKitty::  this person on TH's FB has Chelsea and Michale Harney as well.  I just am skimming so she might have more connections.  Oh yes.  Jennifer Hill

 ::HelloKitty::  forgot the name again

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1054319931
Olga Edwards

 ::HelloKitty::  this one has that Burden woman as a friend

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1437736203
Jenny Henderson Hammerquist

I think it is the stairs inside the side door of the bldg that is adjacent to the parking lot.  IMO

from your link in Activities, click on

I may look calm, but in my head, I've killed you three times.
4 weeks ago

http://golikeus.net/259777

geezzze

I think you are right. I had a feeling at the news conference today that they have a witness but would like to have another to tie it down.

Thanks, Klaas.

Very interesting. She is probably looking for full immunity instead of a plea deal. I hope they don't have to go for full immunity. She knows too much and she is holding out info IMO. She is no friend to this investigation. She is only looking out for herself. Kyron was certainly around a lot of self-centered women.

The first six "aerial" pics posted in the pics thread, of Skyline School, are supposedly weather sat. pics, (according to the one who originally posted them in another site) and is what was available when Kyron went missing.  They are several years old tho, according to locals.  Because those pics show a dirt road for the access road, which has been paved for quite some time. 

They are at this link:
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8203.0 (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8203.0)



 

Awwwwww...  :smt060   How sweet!  Sounds like he is loved, and you have good reason to be so proud! 

 

 ::HelloKitty::  this one is on Terri's support page and I remember pics of her on Terri's FB

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000399621180
Kari Ramadorai (also friends with Karen Sharpes Wu)

Yeppers.  When I first got google earth, I was SOOOOO excited.  LOL  Looked everyone up in there.  Called my sons, said hey!  go outside and wave!   ::MonkeyHaHa::  Waited... Then they said I am!  Well... I'm looking on google earth, don't see em.  mwahahaha.  Is not the way it works.  We learned the hard way.  And am sure if anyone saw them outside waving they'd be going huh??  LOL 

is there a diff access road, this one looks dirt
http://www.kgw.com/news/slideshows/Photos-Horman-vehicle-search-100456694.html?gallery=y&c=y&ref=%2Fnews%2Fslideshows&img=5

maybe this is it
http://www.kgw.com/news/slideshows/Photos-Horman-vehicle-search-100456694.html?gallery=y&c=y&ref=%2Fnews%2Fslideshows&img=8

Groups Kari is linked to:

   
Tony Horwitz, Terri Horman Support Page, Jamie Oliver, Weston A. Price Foundation, LIFE REVOLUTION, VTech Toys, The Story of Stuff, The Story of Stuff Project, Purple Cow Vineyards, Five Crowns, Soft Baby Clothing, SafeMama.com, EcoLicious Equestrian, Breastfeeding, This American Life, Wait Wait Don't Tell Me, ModCloth, Oregon Zoo Summer Concerts, Sun Gold Farm, Groupon Portland, The New York Times, Matilda Jane Clothing, Forest Grove Farmers Market, PBS, Anointment Natural Skin Care, Kelly the Kitchen Kop, Fabulous Fun Finds, L Bar T Bison Ranch, Missing Kyron Horman, Bring Home Kyron Horman Home Safe!, and many more.....

Here are some of the photos that they had at the PC today:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/Truck2.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/Truck1.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/081110_horman_wall_of_hope1.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/081110_horman_truck-1.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/081110_horman_school-1.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/081110_horman_fred_meyer-walker.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/081110_horman_fred_meyer.jpg)

OT...Beeeuuuteeefulllll minis!  They look like they just had thar hare did!!!! lol  Very pretty.

She is DY's cousin that for an unknown reason to her TH sent the pic at school of kh and project on the afternoon of the 4th.

Do we know if the red 'stang was a convertible? I'm asking because a day or so ago, there were pictures posted of when they were searching based on tips, I think around Old Germantown Road. One of the pics showed a red convertible. I wonder if they included that pic to maybe jog someone's memory or maybe someone living in the area had a similar one, or maybe it wasn't a mustang, in which case--never mind!

I think that it is.  Also #4 and #7 are also.

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: 

Just a couple more of these ought to do the trick:   ::monkeywine2::

 ::MonkeyEek::

klaas thanks for the pics

pics
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8365.msg1205332#msg1205332

That's just the caption for the little dog!

However, here is the origin of that quote.  It is a FB group.

http://www.facebook.com/pages/i-may-look-calm-but-in-my-head-ive-already-killed-u-3-times/127558170603043

this case reminds of what mark twain said

Truth is stranger than fiction, but it is because Fiction is obliged to stick to possibilities; Truth isn't.
Mark Twain
http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/m/marktwain122865.html

sleep time for me

b4 i forget a farm market link

http://www.localharvest.org/search.jsp?map=1&lat=45.513563&lon=-122.664603&scale=10&ty=-1&nm=&zip=97086

funny when ya see the lil dog.  lol  but that FB group.  weird. 

one thing too, DeDe was wanting to go to med school at one point. maybe thats the bad advice Kain was talking about that dede gave terri.maybe she gave Terri advice about how to care for their kids.<that was not in the best interest for Kyron?

thanks clay
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 ::monkeymargarita:: Or a few cases of these.. ::MonkeyWink::

I just can't see any of these women freinds of Terri's being involved in any way shape or form in the disappearnce of a child. What I can see is Terri being angry and pizzed at Kaine and maybe finding a new person in her life. Maybe she was planning on getting out once she had some resources of her own, like a job. We've had two accounts of when these bat phones were purchased. Big difference if they were purchased June 4 or after Kaine departed with Kiara.
.........
I can also see Terri having some sort of secrets from Kaine, like an escape plan B.
What would be her motive in taking Kyron and hiding him ( how are you going to get him back ? ) or doing something to him ?   
......
One of the kiddos said that the substitute was there that day. The school said there was no sub. Maybe the teacher's aide came in on Friday to help out ?
..
Are there any men that work at that school ? Aides ? Subs ? Whatever ?
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Someone here posted that it seems that they ( LE, Kaine, Desiree ) want it to be Terri so badly that they could be looking at it and not seeing the real culprit ? I know I am waffling, but it is all too crazy. Just because you are having marital issues doesn't mean you kill a kid. How did that solve anything for Terri ?
..
There was a case here where her was a wrongful conviction mostly based on an eye witness.
Guess who did it ? The freaking eye witness ! 

I am sure smarter monkeys than I have already answered this question but those are staged pictures on the F250 Pick Up, you can see Kyrons wall in the backgound.
(http://www.truecrimeinthe21stcentury.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/image.png)

Photoshop?

Borrowed Kaines truck - took another same model?

I don't believe anything about the earache or even fussy baby. I know she said she was taking Kiara to the doc and she drove her around to soothe her but she didn't take her to the doctor and wouldn't have been allowed to leave a sick baby at daycare. I think the story about Kyron behaving strangely may be true because Desiree said the same thing just different behaviors. She may have drugged Kyron though but from where and why did that theory come?

My head tells me one thing and my heart tells me another...sadly my heart is niave and struggles to acccept reality.

I just cannot fatham TH and these women hurting a child.  It is beyond my world view.  BUT at the same time, I have to accept that there have been average appearing women who have killed their children; there are proven cases such as Susan Smith and the woman who shot her three children to keep her new boyfriend.  As I said, my head knows but my heart just will not go there.

Too much speaks of TH being involved; it's as if she herself is broadcasting her guilt by her actions. 

An earlier post stated it may take years to solve this case...that makes me sick.  How are so many people getting away with murder or hurting a child just by refusing to talk?  How are LE able to break hardened criminals but not TH, DeDe, Misty Croslin and family, etc?

I used to work for child protective services.  I know that a child that is listed as missing, is actually dead.  But the body has never been found, the only two adults with the answers are now dead.  There was so much to point to the child's murder but no one talked.  These were not educated people.  It is mind boggling that LE cannot break these inexperienced criminals.

Terri

Maybe the profiler on HLN was thinking that Kiara may have had ear aches in the past.  That maybe Terri was refilling a prescription of Kiara's but was going to use it on Kyron.  I don't think the profiler was suggesting anything other than if she did purchase meds that they may have been used on Kryon instead of Kiara.

Well ... On Friday we leave with youngest son's American inlaws for a three/four day road trip to Mt. St Helens ... maybe one day in Seattle.  Portland is further south ... not at all "on the way" so my hubby said to just let it go considering we are going on this trip at the kind invitation of this special couple.  I am excited about the trip but ... as I said before ... if I could have scouted the area involved in the Kyron Horman case ... taken pictures ... interrogated DeDe (LOL) ... it would have been icing on the cake.

I am somewhat discouraged in regards to this mornings press conference.  I really did expect more.

Good Night Monkeys

Janet
8:40 PM PT



 

For all we know, Kyron could have been taking meds that had side effects. I said could have been. We just don't know. He is small ( I am going by his weight, 50 pounds at seven years old ) for his age and his vision isn't good, is there some sort of medical condition ?

Good night Janet, and I hope you enjoy your trip.  Maybe we'll have some answers by the time you return. 

Have a wonderful trip Janet.
I think that if you did any interrogations of Terri, DeDe or any of them, the case would be SOLVED !  You would pull up what they said before and without using a taser or any other weapons except your excellent research they would be backed into a corner and tell the truth.

Hi D,

I think they parked the truck in these 2 spots where it had been witnessed on the morning of June 4th.  Towards the end the presser one of the men alluded to the fact these locations were witnessed and they needed voluntary backup to those witness accountings.  That did make me feel better, that they do have witnesses, know where the car was parked, what times were noted even to being down on Germantown Rd.  I think LE knows plenty and it is the prosecution that needs the back up witnessing on these locations to make it a court proof case.  Gee, I don't know.  Maybe I just want to believe that so bad.  But where is Kyron?  I think maybe down in one of those gullies off Newberry Rd.  The road is very treacherous down there.  Narly.  xox

Thanks for fixing me klass... ::piggy::...too many ice cream bars

I asked my friend today if the GJ was still going and her answer>>
I do think after digesting the presser today that Kyron did go to school that day, his backpack and coat, he was seen at the school as well as Terri.  Now how he actually left the school that day another question, and by very much into the mustang copy as a very viable maybe, but also go back to DDS removing that sticker, when did DDS realize they were on to TH and her? 
Good Lord I still get so mad thinking that these woman have done this, it literally is driving me crazy.

Thank you. They are father and son.  Someone wanted to see how much they look alike.
Father is now 18yo and son is 5yo.  The father is my best bud and we've been together now for 15yrs. They keep me sane.

I have several young kids ranging from high school to college and the things they come up with on facebook groups/pages are funny and scary....
A friend of mine is a barrel racer he is well known and trains awesome horses, one day I swear a group came up about him and it was too funny the title Lance Graves has awesome hair, and he does.....

 ::MonkeyTears::

Been checking in on TH Support page on Facebook. How sad so many people are in denial. ::MonkeyNoNo:: Our hearts are broken for Kyron, as normal parents/grand parents we want to reach out and make it better, hurts when we can't.

http://www.kgw.com/news/Sheriff-to--100446244.html#comments

I found this comment very well thought out...definitely like this part of the comment...

"In MY OPINION (not rumors, sheeple thinking or attempt to point out anyone else's posts)." ::MonkeyHaHa::
I don't like "sheeples"

Yeah I like that comment too.  Their opinion makes sense. 

Ok, I am going to play devils advocate here for a minute because I honestly do not know what to think anymore. I cannot help but wonder if this case would have proceeded much differently if Tony Young was not Kyron's step-father and also a detective. Let's just say that Terri is an extremely self-centered, selfish person. If that were the case, why would she have bothered to raise Kyron in the first place? Based on her photos, her sexting at the age of 40 etc, she seems to have a rather high opinion of herself. Kaine is not poor, but he is not a millionaire. To take on Kaine, she also had to take on Kyron. She could have taken a pass and looked for someone without young children.

Terri seems to care for children to some extent. She fought to maintain custody of James with two seperate fathers and APPEARED to have cared about Kyron. She seemed to be gaga over Kiara based on all of the photos. She also was a teacher of young children.

A few of her friends may have gotten a hinky feeling with all that has come out about Terri, and may no longer be in her court, but many still seem to be standing strongly by her side.

Then we have all of the inconsistencies. Desiree apparently has not thought much about Terri since Kyron disappeared. How long has she harbored those feelings against Terri? If Desiree truly believed as she has stated AFTER Kyron's disappearance that Terri is a horrible person, etc. then why did she allow Terri to be HER SON'S main caregiver? I also find it glaringly inconsistent that Desiree would bother to correspond 5 TIMES A DAY with a person who she could not stand and thought so little of.

Kaine says in the beginning that there was nothing out of the ordinary about Terri's behaviour. Then he changed that to Terri may have had PPD. He said he had to "watch Terri for months" and then he later said he did not even know what medications Terri may or may not have been taking. Then Desiree says that Kyron did not want to go back home after visits to her home. Then Kaine poo poo's all of that.

As Janet pointed out in her posts this morning, Kaine has tried to control the media since day one. Why????


I just cannot help but wonder if Terri had been emailing Desiree 5 times a day to complain to her about Kaine. I wonder if Kyron told Desiree that there had been a lot of fighting going on in the home with Kaine and Terri and that is why he did not want to go home. I wonder if Terri complained to Desiree about how controlling Kaine was about the money.

So, Kyron disappears and Desiree and Tony rush down to Portland. Either that day or a day later a ransom note shows up in the mailbox along with Kyron's glasses. Desiree starts thinking about all that Terri has complained about. The biggest thing being MONEY! She and Tony deduce early on that Terri has stashed Kyron to take a ransom from Kaine. Then everything starts unfolding and Terri's plan starts unraveling fast and furious. With Tony and Desiree in the home, she cannot exactly execute her plan. She KNOWS she has become the number one focus in the investigation. Ransom is the ONLY thing that makes sense TO ME that the family waited a week to go to the media. If the family has skeletons in their closet, who cares! They should have been out there in front of the cameras from day one! Nothing should be more important than locating their missing child, PERIOD! That is what leads me back to the ransom.

I just cannot imagine for one second that Terri would still have any supporters from those who have known her for any length of time if they believe that she killed Kyron. I too have a hard time believing that. I also have a hard time believing that even DeDe would assist in the murder of a child.

For me it is one of two things. LE focused in too soon on Terri and missed the real perp or it is some sort of tangled kidnapping web that Terri and at least one or two friends botched terribly. I just hope that Kyron is still alive and well. I think he is but I have been wrong before.

What's the deal with the sticker?  Sorry....I haven't been able to read every thread thoroughly.  ::MonkeyBike::

KATU news clip from tonight @ 11 pm with the email from Terri and a good "walk through" of the side gravel road next to Skyline.  The camera following the walk up the gravel road to the entrance of the school - you realized quickly why parking the truck there would be a benefit if you had the need for a quick, speedy get away.  KATU uploaded on Youtube.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ye_MsDrlAUU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ye_MsDrlAUU)

Snipped from Klaas Kids Organization on what to do if your child disappears.


Notify all local media assignment desks: The sooner television and radio begin notifying the community that a child has been kidnapped, the better the chances of recovery. It’s as simple as that.

Sorry, forgot the link. Here it is http://www.klaaskids.org/pg-mc-whattodo.htm

Hi Ladorable,  Especially when we learn there were about 300 people there for the Science Fair acc to the local news. !!!

@Scandi - ITA - how many ppl were there @ the science fair???...I don't understand this investigation, why it is going this way.  But I heard tonight on Levi Page's show from a lawyer that in OR they have a "time limit" once you are charged to getting a trial.  So that explains (maybe) why the DA has not charged anyone - b/c the judicial clock would start ticking.  But then charge them with a lessor crime (MFH, whatever) - I feel so bad for the family - this cannot be easy!

This is another really weird inconsistency to me. Some of us spoke about it last night. James, Terri's son, is still friends with Kaine on facebook. Having said that, Angela Rockwood appears to be good friends with Cynthia Smalley who is on her facebook and also one of the administrators of the Terri Horman facebook page. It is all so inconsistent and confusing! At first I thought that maybe Cynthia Smalley had dropped out of the supporters, but no, she was still posting as of yesterday.

finally caught up with everyone and it is midnight now and I am falling asleep.. was a long day today for me.. ugh..

so trying to think what I think, but too tired.  seeing the truck in different places in the photos makes me wonder if they want the person to know they saw the truck in those places, someone did and someone knows who is in it... or they want the person to know they were in it and which way they were driving...

it almost seems like the PC was more of a message to someone ..maybe the person seen in terris truck...

ok sorry, just woke up from the middle of this post,, I have to go to bed, will post some thoughts tomorrow

oh I remember what I wanted to ask anyone...

reading where avery was at the science fair... where does that info come from?  I have no idea if he was or not, never paid much attention to him, so is why I am asking... just wonder if that is a for sure thing or just something something thought. 

thanks.

"wow....infighting is now occuring on the facebook page "terri horman support page". Now it comes out that they will support TH even if she is convicted. Reason: Beacuse Kaine is a "major league p****..." etc. They will blame the crime on Kaine even if it was TH that carried it out. He drove her to do it. I think the cops need to sit down with these people and ask what they know. There are people on this FB page who are in VERY close contact with TH. "

... ::MonkeyShocked:: from FOX12 Oregon... http://www.kptv.com/news/24595649/detail.html
Was reading the SP earlier...things are getting interesting!
 :2thinky:
Wonder how some of the latest news will affect their supporters? Probably not too much, IMO
That's it, bedtime for Bonzo...nite :smt006

By Anita Kissée KATU News and KATU.com Staff

Story Video PrintSummary

It seems his mother, Terri Horman, has told different people different things and sources say it has added to the confusion.

Story Published: Aug 11, 2010 at 11:46 PM PDT
Story Updated: Aug 11, 2010 at 11:46 PM PDT
 Terri Horman. File photo.
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PORTLAND, Ore. - Two months before Kyron Horman vanished, his stepmother, Terri Moulton Horman, sent an e-mail to a KATU News source regarding her biological son that provides new insight into the tension that may have been brewing in the Horman household.

Throughout the two-and-a-half month search for Kyron, his older stepbrother, James Moulton, has stayed out of the spotlight. In March, James went to live in Roseburg, but the reason why depends on who is asked.

It seems his mother, Terri Horman, has told different people different things and sources say it has added to the confusion.

One version - in Horman’s own words - was recently forwarded to KATU News.

“I had my son go to live with my parents so he would be happy - went from D’s to straight A’s within one month of being away from Kaine,” she wrote in an April 6 e-mail.

That’s consistent with what James’ father, Ron Tarver, told Willamette Week, adding the 16-year-old had been acting out and butting heads with his stepfather. But Kaine Horman told The Oregonian their relationship was typical and that Terri and her son were the ones who didn’t get along. Kaine said he was often the mitigator between the two of them.

But that’s not what Terri’s friend from 24-Hour Fitness, who testified before the grand jury Monday, said they heard. In the weeks before Kyron disappeared, that person said Terri was upset, telling the friend her husband forced her son to move out.

It’s statements like that that former Portland police detective C.W. Jensen says investigators will be interested in.

“People want to know what would be the motive for someone to do something to a child like this,” Jensen said. “And what we’ve seen in the past in cases like this where someone hurts a child, they’re doing it to get back at their spouse.”

Sources at the courthouse will not confirm whether they’re looking at this alleged rift between Terri and Kaine as a motive for Kyron’s disappearance.

E-mails to James’ father and to Kaine Horman have not yet been returned.

Investigators have not named any suspects or persons of interest in the disappearance of Kyron, and they have not made any arrests.

In other developments in the case Wednesday, investigators held a news conference and asked for witnesses to talk to them who may have seen the Horman family’s white Ford F250 pickup truck on the morning of Kyron’s disappearance.

They said they want to know if someone saw the pickup parked directly in front of Skyline School - on Skyline Road - and also a second location up the gravel road in front of the school about 60 feet from Skyline Road between 8:15 a.m. and 8:45 a.m.

Additionally, they’re hoping to talk with people who saw the truck at the Fred Meyer in Hillsboro on Imbrie Drive around 9 a.m. and at the Fred Meyer on Walker Road in Beaverton at 10 a.m.

After that they said there are specific areas they believe the truck may have traveled.

“We’re looking for witnesses who observed the white truck we’ve been talking about on or near Springville Road, Skyline Road, between Springville and Newberry to include Germantown and Old Germantown,” said Rod Underhill, Multnomah County’s chief deputy district attorney.

The grand jury looking into the disappearance of Kyron had Wednesday afternoon off after hearing other cases in the morning. They should start questioning other witnesses Thursday.

KATU News reporters Anna Canzano and Thom Jensen contributed to this report.

I don't know why I cannot figure out how to include the link with the story, ugh!

http://www.katu.com/news/local/100511654.html

Klaas Goodmorning and  ::HelloKitty:: to All,


I am following up with a link because you require a link.

ISSUES WITH JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL

Police Ask Public for Leads in Kyron`s Disappearance; `Idol` Winner Recovering From Sleeping Pill Overdose

Aired August 11, 2010 - 19:00:00   ET

THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.



PAT BROWN, CRIMINAL PROFILER: Well, that`s absolutely true, but also, the question is, maybe she`s telling half the truth, which is very common in this kind of situation if you`re guilty. She could have been purchasing certain meds to make her daughter sleepy, but she could have also been giving those meds to Kyron if she did something to him. In other words, to knock him out and then do something to him. So it might be half the truth; it might not be. That`s what they have to figure out.

http://archives.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1008/11/ijvm.01.html

CNN'S Link for transcripts, IDK when they are released:  http://archives.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/2010.08.11.html

I found the comment educational: M.C., D.D.S. and TH, did not testifly, Good, GJ is taking it good old time.  :sunny:

Try putting the link first.  That is how I remember.

Is this current procedure, anyone know?

My doctor gives, at the most, antibiotics, for an ear infection.  I always took him for a car ride to calm him down or walked the floor with him.  Antibiotics don't knock a kid out.

If this is what happened, maybe she gave him too much.  She may have looked at Kiara's size and looked at Kyron's size and doubled it.  I don't even thin a double dose would do it--unless he was allergic to the medication.

It is so hard for me to imagine someone who is so dedicated to children, hurting one.  I am tired of people entrusted with the care of children, in this case teachers, hurting them.  I just see it too much having a child with special needs.  I am so tired of it, I could scream.  Why don't these people get a psych eval each year along with their physical.  Mental health is health, too.

Sebastian-
You might want to go over to the Test Area (Thread) over in the Monkey Lounge http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=114.msg22216#msg22216 and practice copying and pasting.  If you can copy and paste an article you can copy and paste a link.  Do the same thing with the link at the top of the page of the article you are going to bring to SM-copy and paste the article into your post, then go back and copy and paste the article into your post. Some folks put the link at the bottom of their article when they are finished posting.  I post mine right at the top, first thing so I don't forget.  Links must be provided (and preferably in same post) for articles brought from other places.  I know you may be a bit tech shy sebastian, but you can do it.  I remember the first time I did... ::dogwag::  And I would be happy to help if you need it.  MuffyBee

Someone linked this video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ye_MsDrlAUU), and I transcribed it - bolding the parts I find most interesting:  (Edit to add link to video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ye_MsDrlAUU ) Please include the link when posting.  MuffyBee



A new insight into tension that may have been brewing in the home months before Kyron vanished. ... obtained another email written by his step-mom - and this is about Terri Horman's son, but not Kyron. It's an email, a very short one. It was sent to our source about two months before Kyron vanished. And it's particularly interesting in light of other stories we've heard this week about why Terri's son James went to live with his father. Throughout the 2.5 month search for Kyron Horman, he's the one family member we haven't heard a whole lot about; Kyron's older step-brother, James Moulten. In March, James went to live in Roseberg, but the reason why depends on who you ask. It seems his mother told different people different things, which sources say, has added to confusion. [The K2]?? has one of those versions in Terri Horman's own words: In a brief email in April, recently forwarded to K2 she writes:

"I had my son go live with my parents so he would be happy - went from D's to straight A's within one month of being away from Kaine."That's consistant with what James's father told Williamette Week, adding the 16 year old had been acting out a bit, and was butting heads with his step-father. But Kaine told the Oregonian that their relationship was typical, and it was Terri and her son who didn't get along - he was often the mitigator between the two of them.

That's not what Terri's friend from 24 hour fitness, who testified before a GJ monday, said they heard.In the weeks before Kyron disappeared,that person said Terri was upset, telling them her husband forced her son to move out.  And it's statements like that former police detective C.W. Jenson says investigators will be interested in.

"People want to know, why - what would be the motive for someone to do something to a child like this - and what we've seen, um, in the past in cases like this, where someone hurts a child, they're doing it to get back at their spouse.

Sources at the courthouse will not confirm whether they're looking at this alleged rift between Terri and Kaine as a motive for Kyron's disappearance. We did try to contact James's father and his step-father Kaine, we've sent them both emails, and are waiting to hear back.

It's important to think about the other children involved in this whole case and whole story (inaudible).

Earlier in the day, invesetigators gave us a detailed timeline of where the white truck Terri Horman was driving may have been on June 4, the day Kyron disappeared. But K2 wants to know why are they asking that now, almost 10 weeks after Kyron vanished. Here's On Your Side investigator, Anna Canzono (sp?).

Investigators want to ID the person who was in or near the Hormans' F250 truck between 8:15 and 8:45 the morning Kyron disappeared.

Investigator - "A witness, or witnesses have come forward and provided us with information about a person or persons associated with that pickup truck ..."

Ann Canzono -"They are confirming the person as DeDe Spicher, but they do know she was supposed to be working on a farm nearby that morning. Invesetigators say they know at some point that morning, the white truck was parked right there, where our news vehicle is parked right now, directly in front of Skyline school, along Skyline.  At a different part of the morning, investigators say they also know the white truck was parked further up this gravel road, about 60 feet away from the original location. Well, where does this gravel road go - we wanted to know - if you follow it around the corner of the school you get to a path that is alongside the playground area of the school, and the path leads up to a side entrance of the Skyline school. And just so you get the full perspective, anybody that was up here on the main grounds of the school for the science fair wouldn't have been able to see anything that was happening down below. Not the white truck, and not the gravel road leading up to the side of the school. Investigators also want to identify the witness who parked their vehicle on the south side of the school parking lot during that half hour between 8:15 and 8:45. They want to talk to anyone who saw the Horman truck at the Fred Meyer on Embry Drive in Hillsborough around 9, and the one on Walker Road at Beaverton around 10. After that they want hear from anyone who saw the white truck traveling on these roads east of Kyron's school, Skyline, between approximately Newberry and Springville Roads, and on or around Germantown Road and/or Old Germantown Road.

Sebastian, I have a simple word processing program called text edit (Mac).  I click on it to pull a page up on my desktop.  Then I  copy and past the article from the browser onto my page.  Next I copy and paste the url link and put it on my page.  Then I come back here and cut and paste what is on my page into the reply for Scared Monkeys.

Another thing you can do is pull up another browser window and copy and paste the information from the other window into the reply section here.

Thanks for the link, Labadorable.

Jame's bio father may have only heard Terri's version about moving James out of the home when he spoke with the press. By now he has fully discussed it with James to get the real truth, and I am sure LE and the Grand Jury have narrowed down the truth about the move. If Terri told me the sky is blue, I would ask for at three corroborating witnesses.

The video has great visuals about the access road. Scary.

If she told me a rhino was blue, I would ask for the same.

 ::rhino::

MuffyBee - I included it in the text (embedded) was that not OK? Will be happy to do it differently in the future.

Hey Bearly!
I am by no means an expert in the medical field....far from it.But I do know that different people are affected differently by different meds. My son for example can take a Benydryl and go play baseball....I , on the other hand have to go to bed if I take a Benydryl and will have a hangover from it for most of the next day.My son can take a Phenergran and stay awake and can even take a half of one and attend classes, I, on the other hand will be knocked out for a good 24 hours....just a thought.

I know what you are saying about the psych eval. Just a month or so ago one of my sons teachers from his sophomore year was arrested for attempted murder ( 2nd degree , I think) seems she attempted to "protect" her son from harm from others by trying to overdose him and herself. When the word first got out about it, all of the kids were not believing it and actually saying that if she was arrested for attempted murder it was probably because someone had tried to harm said son as she was absolutely crazy about the kid.......go figure.....

Very good video!  They are finally covering the James situation, and that walkthrough was great!  Thanks Labadorable! 

It sure is scary, Grey!  Something was going on there that they were trying to conceal from the rest of the school.


I have been wondering if James was the source of the motive for getting back at Kaine.  I didn't get remarry until my son was grown, because none of the men I dated would have been good stepfathers.  So, I get see it as a motive but not a good reason.  Only a sick, twisted person would get rid of a little child to get back at someone else!

Oops!  "remarried"

It's very frightening, Cubbee.  We are so very careful who we will let near our children, including changing doctors if it feels wrong, then we send them to school and need to trust people, we don't even know, with our children.  I have had my child come home and tell me the most personal information from people who had worked one on one with him that day.  It seems they needed a shoulder and he was very good at listening and commenting.  I have never tried to parentify my child or bring him into the adult world of problems.  There is no way to control who sees your child or who spends time alone with them.  There is no need for anyone to be alone with my child at school.  There is just too much temptation for something improper to happen.  I do not necessarily mean physical.

Why do I bring this up?  I believe the way to stop another Kyron in the future is by prevention.  We need to take a long hard look at the people with our children.  Unions need to agree to protect our children and make sure the teachers they support are qualified to be around children.  Where is the childrens' union?  I think that should have been first.

That really was a great video, with great visuals. Thank you! I transcribed it (above) because sometimes it is helpful for me to see things written out, and to be able to go back and read it over again later. But you don't get those visuals in the transcribed version!

Good Morning All.   ::MonkeyDance:: Time to wake up and solve this case lets bring our boy home today safe.   ::MonkeySlide::

::Baseball::Hey Terri thow us a tip. We will catch it and use it to bring Kyron home. Please!

Afterall you are very blog savy and maybe you could have one of your girl buddies do it for you.

Just have her make it very clear that it is her who has the information not you. That way she will go down for it not you. Just keepin with your original plan here is all.


I wanted to thank everyone who posted about the email released on KATU at 11pm. Made it real easy for me to get up and read it.

I'm curious about sharing info from Blink here and from here on Blink. What are the rules regarding this? There is an interesting discussion regarding Roger back when they were searching by the school. 

I hope somebody remembers that diving sticker she later removed.

(Grapevine comment)

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?t=371293&page=19

HollysGmom July 25, 2010 at 6:38PM
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Here is a picture of DeDe's blue vehicle WITH diving/SAR sticker and without. WHy did she remove it? When did she remove it?

http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Kyron%20Horman%20%20-OR-/th_WindowDecalKlamathCountyDiveRescue.jpg

Here is the picture of the blocks being taken from DeDe's condo.
http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Kyron%20Horman%20%20-OR-/?action=view¤t=block.jpg

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/07/armchair_detectives_true-crime/4053/comments-9.html

Hat's off to HollysGmom, Good job, Holly!  :smt028 :smt028 :smt028 :smt028

It could be she loved James so much, she just snapped.  It is important to note we do not need to know what a  person in their right mind thought, but we need to know what someone whose thinking may be off thought.

I thing Terri loved children so much, she could not stand to have her son gone.  Maybe she felt she could not have her son because of Kaine, therefore, he could not have his.  I think it was because she was obsessed with children, and not the opposite.  Don't forget, James changed his name to Moulton, not Horman.

It is more important to know, not what the truth was about James moving out, but why Terri thought he moved out.  It would be her motive, not ours.

She was obsessed with her exercising and now she was obsessed with children.  Kyron, I believe, was a child with special needs, and they are at least two times as likely to be abused.

I do not know if the "blocks" are taken from DDS condo. HollysGMom posted comment, maybe, she has vertification.
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/07/armchair_detectives_true-crime/4053/comments-9.html

I have it in Kyron's picture thread here: http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8203.20

Now I know why they wanted to know if someone saw Terri the day before, it was to find out how she knew all these things about the layout of the land, and what you could and couldn't see and from where.

It's a shame, she could have gotten a job writing for CSI.  She apparently could not get a job teaching.  She could not leave Kaine because she was strapped for money.  I also believe he was controlling with money and other things.  Even though he bought her that mustang, he bought the mustang.  He, I believe was absolutely too controlling and she felt trapped and felt that was her only recourse.  I don't think she could stand the thought of sharing Kiara with Kaine either, if they were to break up.  It is never okay to hurt a child or anyone else, but I think I see what could have messed up her thinking.

OK, just woke up and reading this.  Going to post the article in "parts" so I can comment on each section.  My comments in blue:

http://www.katu.com/news/local/100511654.html


Terri Horman e-mail provides insight into family tensions

By Anita Kissée KATU News and KATU.com Staff

Story Updated: Aug 11, 2010 at 11:46 PM PDT

PORTLAND, Ore. - Two months before Kyron Horman vanished, his stepmother, Terri Moulton Horman, sent an e-mail to a KATU News source regarding her biological son that provides new insight into the tension that may have been brewing in the Horman household. (2 months before Kyron went missing?  Premeditated)

Throughout the two-and-a-half month search for Kyron, his older stepbrother, James Moulton, has stayed out of the spotlight. In March, James went to live in Roseburg, but the reason why depends on who is asked.

It seems his mother, Terri Horman, has told different people different things and sources say it has added to the confusion. (maybe confusion is exactly what she wants?)

One version - in Horman’s own words - was recently forwarded to KATU News.

“I had my son go to live with my parents so he would be happy - went from D’s to straight A’s within one month of being away from Kaine,” she wrote in an April 6 e-mail. (in this version it was Terri's idea for the sake of James)

That’s consistent with what James’ father, Ron Tarver, told Willamette Week, adding the 16-year-old had been acting out and butting heads with his stepfather. But Kaine Horman told The Oregonian their relationship was typical and that Terri and her son were the ones who didn’t get along. Kaine said he was often the mitigator between the two of them (not uncommon for a 16yr old child, male or female, to butt heads with adults)

But that’s not what Terri’s friend from 24-Hour Fitness, who testified before the grand jury Monday, said they heard. In the weeks before Kyron disappeared, that person said Terri was upset, telling the friend her husband forced her son to move out. (in this version Kaine forced him out)

It’s statements like that that former Portland police detective C.W. Jensen says investigators will be interested in.

“People want to know what would be the motive for someone to do something to a child like this,” Jensen said. “And what we’ve seen in the past in cases like this where someone hurts a child, they’re doing it to get back at their spouse.”

 ::monkeyscissors::

This tells me that whatever happened to Kyron it happened out of SPITE and Terri is responsible.

I know, right??? I keep trying to stay OUT of the box, making sure I am ... only to find myself IN the box when I post! ::MonkeyHaHa::

Once the quote stacks get messed up (usually by trying to snip some out) they are hard to fix.  ::MonkeyCool::

Whew, thanks - I was so confused, because SM gives that feature, so I used it ... and ... well, thanks!

Pandora has a nice Wit about her. Baby-Boomers would remember this clip.

http://www.justicequest.net/forums/showthread.php?t=51058&page=12

Post: 336

Hats off to Pandora!  :smt028 :smt028 :smt028 :smt028

I wonder if James will be called to the GJ....or.......in the GJ phase they do not need to worry about motive?  But as the only person who has consistently been in Terri's life he might have great insight and or recall of her frame of mind.  Even if he has not been in the house since January something tells me she might have left "hints" in conversations with James that she was going to even the score for James???  JMCO...

The inconsistancies!  In the video  (http://www.katu.com/news/local/100511654.html) (originally posted by (Sebastian?) I transcribed, this part:

Ann Canzono -"They are confirming the person as DeDe Spicher, but they do know she was supposed to be working on a farm nearby that morning. Invesetigators say they know at some point that morning, the white truck was parked right there, where our news vehicle is parked right now, directly in front of Skyline school, along Skyline.  At a different part of the morning, investigators say they also know the white truck was parked further up this gravel road, about 60 feet away from the original location. Well, where does this gravel road go - we wanted to know - if you follow it around the corner of the school you get to a path that is alongside the playground area of the school, and the path leads up to a side entrance of the Skyline school. And just so you get the full perspective, anybody that was up here on the main grounds of the school for the science fair wouldn't have been able to see anything that was happening down below. Not the white truck, and not the gravel road leading up to the side of the school. Investigators also want to identify the witness who parked their vehicle on the south side of the school parking lot during that half hour between 8:15 and 8:45. They want to talk to anyone who saw the Horman truck at the Fred Meyer on Embry Drive in Hillsborough around 9, and the one on Walker Road at Beaverton around 10. After that they want hear from anyone who saw the white truck traveling on these roads east of Kyron's school, Skyline, between approximately Newberry and Springville Roads, and on or around Germantown Road and/or Old Germantown Road.

has great visuals!

Klaas & akmom2 - I did see the link was embedded, and I appreciate the link was included & the article was great. My concern was for some posters that may not realize how it works, and if they want to refer to it, they would need to go back, click on your "linked this video", then would need to realize about the link, copy and paste it etc.  It may be easy for some, but for others, maybe not so easy.  You didn't do anything wrong at all akmom2.   ::dogwag::

A few pages behind so you may have already answered this - but are the sat images archived? IOW, if the FBI/CIA/etc wanted a specific view of June 4 but didn't realize they'd need it until, say, June 26, would it even still be available?

I'm going to put spaces where there shouldn't be, so it will show up as text instead of as an embedded link:

[ url = http://www.katu.com/news/local/100511654.html ] like this [ / url ]

Now, take out the spaces between [ and url, between url and =, and other spaces you can see there ...

ok ... text (http://http etc.)

Hope this helps! Oh, I like to bold the text so it really shows up.

I don't know for a fact but I'd bet money that they are available for a very long time. 

Oops ... so it is OK to embed - or it isn't OK to embed? Seems I might have started something and we ought to figure it out. This is how it's done most places I've been, so IMHO, people are or ought to get used to it ... but will certainly abide by whatever SM wants me to do! Only thing is, hyperlink is blue, and that is what is also used by non-mods to highlight what they want to say. Might have webmaster pick a different hyperlink color, or mods change what color they have non-mods use to highlight?

Sorry for the confusion, truly - but embedding hyperlinks is very common elsewhere. Again, will be happy to abide by whatever you all choose.

I see what you are saying, amom, you are saying the link is there (if you click on   linked this video it will bring you to the link.

I think what the confusion is that people are used to seeing the link the way Muffy wrote it and not embedded in the text.  To avoid confusion, I would put it the way people are used to seeing it, and that is, spelling out the link instead of embedding it.  Thanks.

 ::CowboySmiley::

Agree. Probably forever. Two months is a piece of cake to retrieve. The question is whether there are satellite images available of that location at that time.

As to meds - Terri likely had other prescription meds available, she could have used. Remember, the woman who murdered the child in the church was drugging her. Don't like to use the M word. Really hoping against all odds he is still alive.

But murder or kidnapping, I am betting she used drugs. Hoping, actually, because then maybe he was not aware of what was happening to him. :(

WHERE IS KYRON?!?

I'm just so frustrated with this, I could cry. :(

To those who feel this will take forever to be solved ... I really don't think so! I think that the heat is on, and many, many people saw things that day. All they need is enough witnesses and other evidence, and one friend to crack under the pressure. The more witnesses and evidence they gather, the worse for that friend who DOESN'T crack. Giving it up may be their only opportunity to avoid harder consequences.

It is very difficult, knowing that those who hold the answer are selfishly keeping their information to themselves.

Yes, you just have to make sure the number of names at the top match the number of (I am going to break this apart or it will look like a messed up stack)  [ / q u o t e] on the bottom and both parenthesis and the end of the quote looks exactly like that without any change at all.

With what we know now and suspect, I can see Terri going for an insanity defense (probably won't work with premeditation and cover-up) and DeDe trying for immunity or a sweetheart plea deal. If DeDe doesn't play her cards right, she could wind up holding the bag on this along with the longest sentence.

I only want Kyron back. Then, those two and their cohorts can rot.

Hi Monkeys!

This is my Theory!

I think Kaine and James were butting heads, and that's why James went to live with his father.  It takes two to "tangle" in a marriage, and I believe Kaine had some culpability in the beginning.  However, it takes a sick and twisted person to attempt to arrange a murder for hire and, when that failed, do something to the spouse's child for revenge.  I don't know how much Terry "loves" her children.  Sociopaths usually love their natural children, because they consider them extensions of themselves.  That wouldn't include stepchildren.  I think Terri felt that, since she had cared for Kyron all these years, Kaine should have acted in the same manner with James.  When James had to leave, she became a person bent on revenge.  So, that is what I think happened.  She couldn't get Kaine killed.  So, rather than do that herself, she took it out on a smaller, weaker person who couldn't defend himself.

That is a very simple explanation, but "sometimes the simplest explanations are the best". 

This is just my opinion.

Maybe what I should do is just put a *link embedded in text* note when I do that - until people get used to it? Anyhow ... why am I still on the computer! So much to do today! Ack! See you all later ... hope I don't have a bazillion pages to catch up on when I get back here. Maybe when I get back - the big break will have come. Praying to see an end to this soon.

Scoot over a little and have one of my tissues.

Didn't see this before my last post - amen and amen - and no more talk of embedding. Thanks for clearing up confusion. Yay for you and MuffyBee for all your hard work.  ::MonkeySlide::

Now, back to our regularly scheduled programming ... Bring Kyron Home!

It could be that both Kaine and Terri were butting heads with James, but in Terri's mind it was okay for her to do so but not for Kaine. She might not have seen problems with her interactions with James.

James was not gone from their lives. He was nearby. He arrived that Saturday for a planned visit.

I hope people are explaining to James that he is not the problem here. It's the adults, and one may be psycho.

PORTLAND, Ore. - Two months before Kyron Horman vanished, his stepmother, Terri Moulton Horman, sent an e-mail to a KATU News source regarding her biological son that provides new insight into the tension that may have been brewing in the Horman household.  ::MonkeyEek::  Where in the world are these emails coming from, the way it is stated it sounds like the emails are going directly to KATU News.

http://www.katu.com/news/local/100511654.html

PORTLAND, Ore. - Two months before Kyron Horman vanished, his stepmother, Terri Moulton Horman, sent an e-mail to a KATU News source regarding her biological son that provides new insight into the tension that may have been brewing in the Horman household.

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OK, I was reading it wrong (blame it on not enough coffee).  I was thinking she emailed KATU news 2 months before Kyron went missing but she emailed a FRIEND that is the KATU NEWS SOURCE.  

Grey - I hope so too.  James needs to be reassured that none of this is his fault. 

Everyone is going to be confused.  It was worded poorly.

That is exactly what I thought it meant, and couldn't figure out why she would be emailing a news station 2 months before Kyron went missing  ::MonkeyEek::

Corn Pass Fred Meyers looking from Terris parking spot
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View from entrance and exit at Walker Rd Fred Meyers, looking at Terri parking spot on the far rock wall

The descriptions are from the pdf flyer at press conference by MCSO
http://www.mcso.us/public/newsroom/081110_PressConferenceFlier.pdf

If you put your cursor over the 2 pix of Fred Meyer parking lot, the text descriptions will show up.

Credit goes to someone on WS and Kasey at www.thehinkymeter.com for spotting this.

OK you Monkey's make a good point baby meds would not knock-out KH.  What if she had two prescriptions?  one for baby
and one for her PPD?  Perhaps she took a nighttime med?  I don't like to get caught up with speculations, I made an exception,
remember SM only tell's a little of the truth.

Seemeatthe beach,

I included what the cursor key is for new computer searchers.

Definition of: cursor keys

The keyboard keys that move the pointer, or cursor, on screen. They include the up, down, left and right arrow, home, end, pageUp and pageDown keys.http://www.pcmag.com/encyclopedia_term/0,2542,t=cursor+keys&i=40584,00.asp

I can't believe how fast this thread goes.  No way to keep up for me right now.  Too many irons in the fire on the homefront but I check in regularly to get some updates on the search for Kyron.

Where is Kyron?  God, please guide them to find him soon.

amom2,

Thank-you.  :smt060 :smt060  These guys are from (more)

Ron Tarver's wife Angela Rockwood (Jame's bio dad and stepmom), were James is living now.  Angela is NOT a member of the Terri Horman Support group although Terri and her mother Carol are still listed as facebook friends:

http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=100000663904763 (http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=100000663904763)

Angela's groups:
   
Missing Kyron Horman, Perfect World Dressage, Solve Horseback Riding Fears by Jane Savoie, Coastal Farm & Ranch, Horseman's News, Sleeping in Tents, FarmVille, Oregon Dressage Society, (Lil) Farm Life

I don't know what I would do if I thought someone drove my child away from me and I could no longer see him on a daily basis (after my yearlong cruise around the world).  I am also not trapped somewhere depending on someone for every penny.

ITA!  I hope he is getting some counseling!  Now that the media has focused on the situation with James, he may start blaming himself.  He seems like a really nice young man.  Young people who love animals, as he loves horses, are usually very kind.  This is going to cause him some problems anyway because of his mother.  He just needs to realize the problem is with the adults in his life and not with him.

Grey, I agree that it is Terri's perspective that is mostly likely the problem.  Sociopaths are concerned with how everything affects them.  You can tell by Kaine's deep sorrow that he realized he should have been paying closer attention to Terri's behavior.  As he said, this happened on his watch!  I feel so sad for Kaine, Desiree, Tony, James, and the others close to Kyron who are all suffering so terribly. 

 ::MonkeyTears::

 :smt102 :
I have my hand on my hip and my foot tapping, why did you do this?

Are DDS & SM Zombies?

They are not human. ::MonkeyNoNo::

I'm going to get skewered over this but here goes...after several 'unconfirmed' comments of how DY wasn't as active in Ky's life as she is making it appear now I took (MOO!!!) TH's response to DY's coming down/up the day Kyron went missing "oh, you are" (my words but to that effect)to mean...I'm the cargiver and have been here all along so why don't you wait till we figure out what is going on and we'll call you and then you come up. It could've been a you've not been that involved before so why now?  I think in TH's mind Kyron was hers and DY may be intruding and butting in 'uninvited'.  Especially bringing her detective hubby!  I'm prolly wrong about all but I just and weighing all possibilities.  With all the controlling of the media why is it so hard to believe that TH wasn't doing everything that KH told her to do.  Don't talk to the media, be present for all LE questioning, no press and since the internet might have been her only outlet besides the Bat phones, she was reading lots from news sites and blogs blaming her from day one and wanted to defend herself.  I am still wondering why LE waited so long to question the whereabouts of TH and the white truck since they didn't believe her from jump street.  Why is LE dragging their heels?  Did they let a viable suspect slip on by because they are so focused on TH?  Like I said, don't get too upset over my rambling as I am usually wrong.  I just don't want to think TH could look and Ky and do away with him or have it done.  But...the way things are looking I just don't know. 

I agree that this will be solved relatively soon. I just pray that Kyron is safely returned home and I hope he goes home to Desiree!

I'm back - addicted to SM today ... and I was confused too - had to watch that part of the video like, 4 times before I got that it was sent to their SOURCE (Terri's friend?] two months prior.

Wow!  Terri parked far out in the parking lot.  Usually those big box stores aren't too crowded in the morning.  This is probably another sign that other/others were in the truck.  If she had left Kiara and/or Kyron in the truck, people would be likely to notice if she parked closer.

One day I was at the post office.  A woman went into the post office, and left her car running with her baby in the car.   ::MonkeyShocked::

I waited until she came out.  Then I asked her if she realized what a chance she was taking.  I told her someone could have hopped into her car and taken off.  This is a small town, but that could happen in small towns, too.

When children are left in cars there are people, like me, who will speak to the parents or the police about it.

WYKS!!  This fits right in with your theory.  If "our" Wyks can theorize this weeks ago, "why" has it taken LE so long to do this?  People's memories would have been so much clearer two months ago.  Maybe LE didn't have every little detail then that they do now, BUT don't forget that Kyron gone missing wasn't in the news for days!!

According to what has been released, LE has checked other leads, but things keep pointing to Terri. They would check out the family immediately, and when Terri's story did not add, they had to focus some of their time on her. LE is not talking (I agree with that stance), and we have no idea what other leads they are pursuing while focusing on Terri.

Terri Horman e-mail provides insight into family tensions
Story Published: Aug 11, 2010 at 11:46 PM PDT
Story Updated: Aug 11, 2010 at 11:46 PM PDT

PORTLAND, Ore. - Two months before Kyron Horman vanished, his stepmother, Terri Moulton Horman, sent an e-mail to a KATU News source regarding her biological son that provides new insight into the tension that may have been brewing in the Horman household. (2 months before Kyron went missing?  Premeditated)

Throughout the two-and-a-half month search for Kyron, his older stepbrother, James Moulton, has stayed out of the spotlight. In March, James went to live in Roseburg, but the reason why depends on who is asked. ...

One version - in Horman’s own words - was recently forwarded to KATU News.

“I had my son go to live with my parents so he would be happy - went from D’s to straight A’s within one month of being away from Kaine,” she wrote in an April 6 e-mail. (in this version it was Terri's idea for the sake of James)

tp://www.katu.com/news/local/100511654.html


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THE JAMES MOULTON ISSUE

Ron Tarver's Story

Irreconcilable
The Kyron Horman case: An interview with Terri Moulton Horman’s first ex-husband
June 30th, 2010

James was a student at Lincoln High School in Portland, where he was on the swim team and played trumpet in the school band. Tarver says Terri Moulton Horman sent the boy to Roseburg in March this year because his grades were slipping and he was acting out at home.

“He and Kaine on occasion butted heads, because James is hard-headed,” Tarver says.

http://wweek.com/editorial/3634/14214/


Terri's Story

Acquaintance: Terri Horman upset before Kyron vanished
Story Published: Aug 9, 2010 at 5:17 PM PDT
Story Updated: Aug 9, 2010 at 5:33 PM PDT

PORTLAND, Ore. - An acquaintance of Terri Horman, who asked to remain anonymous, said Monday Terri was very upset in the weeks before Kyron vanished because she said her husband, Kaine, was making her teenage son move out of the couple’s Portland home.

According to the acquaintance, Terri Horman came to a 24-Hour Fitness a month to two months before Kyron disappeared and said Terri was furious, and kept complaining to anyone who would listen, that Kaine was allegedly making her teenage son move out.

Terri’s son did move out of the home in March.

Friends, who worked out with Terri Horman at that 24-Hour Fitness, testified before a grand jury Monday.

According to sources, the friends were not extremely close to Terri but they were close enough that Terri often confided in them with issues from her home.

Three grand jury witnesses declined to speak with reporters outside the Multnomah County Courthouse Monday. But all three, according to sources, are members of that 24-Hour Fitness.

http://www.katu.com/news/local/100309979.html


Kaine's Story

Day of Kyron Horman's disappearance, e-mails from Terri Moulton Horman reveal something amiss
Published: Tuesday, July 27, 2010, 7:54 PM
Updated: Wednesday, July 28, 2010, 8:54 PM

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Listen to the full interview (25 min.):

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/07/day_of_kyron_hormans_disappear.html


Transcript

Reporter - Why was James sent to Roseberg?

K - "Well, he spends the summer with his Dad. So he was up because of what was happening and the week ... then he was sent back down and i guess based on the media frenzy at the time it was decided to just get him out of that environment."

Reporter - "How was your relationship with James? Some of Terri's friends told us you butted heads a little bit
 
K - "I thought it was good. (puts on the parent of a teen voice) Uhm? Two men in the house? (Des laughs) A teenage boy & his father. I can't really take it much farther from there. I know that him & Terri butted heads more often and I was the mitigator of the situation." (Des adds in several supportive 'yeahs')
 
Des - "Honestly, from a 3rd party perspective, Kaine had a more structured type of parenting style, as opposed to Terri. And I think that sometimes when you have a different parenting style than your co-parent that it can sometimes - you know - give ya a little challenge with that sort of thing."

K - "And I don't know if it helps, and I don't want to go off track into her son as much, but I think he would say the same thing. And he's told me that before." (Des offers Yeah in support of statement)
 
K - "You know if circumstances or something really bad happened he would come live with me if he could. So, I know what they're saying, but if you talk to the kids, you know it's the typical he's 16 and wanting to do his stuff and I'm trying to be a dad to him and saying here's what you can do and here's your boundaries. And when he oversteps we have differences of opinion and it's expected. You know? Pushes the buttons and we don't have the 16 y/o filter turned on yet and it's typical stuff."
 
K - "But I don't think the stuff he and Terri were going through was typical and when I'm stepping in to play mitigator with my step-son to his natural Mom, when you remove all that step and natural stuff out, that to me speaks volumes, as well. So I know they have their opinion, but there were a lot of things I had to do to help that relationsip between the two of them."

Transcript Credit: Pandora
http://www.justicequest.net/forums/showthread.php?p=424009

Our Wyks is smarter than the average bear!

I don't put much stock in what Terri says about the time. Remember she is trying to create an alibi. Pain med often comes with earache but it's an eardrop and very effective so no need for anything stronger. If Terri had a plan to sedate Kyron I think she would have been prepared for that before she took him.

When my kiddies were little, little - antibiotics and recommendation for baby Tylenol for the pain. which, of course, is over the counter.

Every time I see one of those trucks around here (all the way across the states) I want to call LE at first, then I remember where I am.  We really all are concerned about the welfare of children.

Terri really has done a lot to make sure she was seen but not seen that day.

My son loves anime and he really likes your avi.

No skewering :) but have to agree with Grey.  Just based on what I know about Terri - she's been caught in several lies, and even her inconsistancies with what she has told others about why James moved out -- prove to me what Desiree has spoken -- that Terri lies, lies, lies.  There's what we know ... and there's what LE knows ... which is enough to make them think they can get an indictment from a Grand Jury.  I believe they are on the right track.

More and more, I'm beginning to believe that Kaine was too controlling in the marriage.  We don't know what happened in that marriage and it's none of our business, except if what happened during the marriage is the catalyst for what happened to Kyron (and we don't even know if that's true yet). 

Anyway, I can imagine that Terri was a very unhappy woman for some time.  And if she was unhappy in the marriage, then her son moving out of the house would only serve to cause that unhappiness to increase many times over.  I can only imagine that the emotional missing of her son would be with her daily. 

Standard care for toddler with ear infection is an antibiotic and antipyrine benzocaine (ear drop). Sleep may follow pain relief but not caused by ear drop. No stronger pain med is necessary. IF Terri used a sedative on Kyron it would have been something most likely prescribed for someone else.

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Signed,
The average bear aka anyone else

Thanks for the well wishes for my baby!!  He's still doing wonderful!  Clay...I too thought wow she parked far away until I conted the parking spaces from truck to store (approximate) and it looks to be around 10 spots.  As picky as some of us believe KH to be I bet she would've parked in Timbuktu to keep from getting his truck scuffed up by other people cars parking next to her.  I'm talking about the bottom left pic viewing FM entrance/exit.

Whatever the dynamics within the Horman household ... there was no justification for the disappearing of a little boy named Kyron.  Who knows ... maybe Kaine may not have been the picture of perfection but ... Terri's response to what she perceived as betrayal was pure evil.

Considering what appears to be DeDe's 3-4 hour involvement in the happenings on the morning of June 4, 2010 ... the purchase of the cell phones using fake names ... the revelation of the a 2nd person observed in the truck and ... the substantial attorney retainer fee ... I am clinging to the hope that Kyron may be alive.

I pray that Terri and/or DeDe grows a conscience and reveals all.

Janet

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Terri Horman e-mail provides insight into family tensions
Story Published: Aug 11, 2010 at 11:46 PM PDT
Story Updated: Aug 11, 2010 at 11:46 PM PDT

PORTLAND, Ore. - Two months before Kyron Horman vanished, his stepmother, Terri Moulton Horman, sent an e-mail to a KATU News source regarding her biological son that provides new insight into the tension that may have been brewing in the Horman household.

Throughout the two-and-a-half month search for Kyron, his older stepbrother, James Moulton, has stayed out of the spotlight. In March, James went to live in Roseburg, but the reason why depends on who is asked.

It seems his mother, Terri Horman, has told different people different things and sources say it has added to the confusion.

One version - in Horman’s own words - was recently forwarded to KATU News.

“I had my son go to live with my parents so he would be happy - went from D’s to straight A’s within one month of being away from Kaine,” she wrote in an April 6 e-mail.

That’s consistent with what James’ father, Ron Tarver, told Willamette Week, adding the 16-year-old had been acting out and butting heads with his stepfather. But Kaine Horman told The Oregonian their relationship was typical and that Terri and her son were the ones who didn’t get along. Kaine said he was often the mitigator between the two of them.

http://www.katu.com/news/local/100511654.html


Ron Tarver's Story

Irreconcilable
The Kyron Horman case: An interview with Terri Moulton Horman’s first ex-husband
June 30th, 2010

James was a student at Lincoln High School in Portland, where he was on the swim team and played trumpet in the school band. Tarver says Terri Moulton Horman sent the boy to Roseburg in March this year because his grades were slipping and he was acting out at home.

“He and Kaine on occasion butted heads, because James is hard-headed,” Tarver says.

http://wweek.com/editorial/3634/14214/

You are right, those suckers hurt, I suffered from them as a kid.  Tylenol wouldn't knock a kid out, I think it must have been something else, for example, some of her medication for PPD or even some percocet left over from having Kiara.

Yes, that is what I am thinking.  My peds don't believe in giving antibiotics right away. 

Landscaper Terri allegedly tried to hire to kill Kaine appears before grand jury

http://www.koinlocal6.com/content/news/topstories/story/Landscaper-Terri-allegedly-tried-to-hire-to-kill/DsZPsC9z3UujvXc6ZrUh-Q.cspx

link added

I would hope no one agrees with what Terri did.  I think we are looking for motive to see what could take a woman from someone who took care of a child, who appeared to be happy (the child) to a woman who possibly has blood on her hands.

http://www.koinlocal6.com/content/news/topstories/story/Landscaper-Terri-allegedly-tried-to-hire-to-kill/DsZPsC9z3UujvXc6ZrUh-Q.cspx

LINK

Does that mean he will get immunity?  If he is found to be lying, I would suppose that immunity would be off the table.  Is that correct?  Besides being charged for perjury, I mean.

 

IMO, Terri was the control freak in that marriage. She had free reign M-F while Kaine worked. He had no idea what she did. I have known controlling husbands.....their wives couldn't as much as go to the grocery store without permission.
Of course, having a toddler limited her "options" when Kiara was born.
They were only married for what 3-4 years. She was unhappy for a long time??
If Kaine was so controlling for the 3-4 years prior to them getting married, she had the choice to not marry Kaine.
I've been married for 29 years......if I was unhappy in my marriage, 29 years would be A LONG TIME. Not 3 -4 years.

Terri was sick of parenting a teen, a young child and a baby. She got rid of James (IMO that was her decision, she just blamed Kaine like always) Yes, she could have told Kaine she wanted Desiree and Tony to take full custody of Kyron.....but Terri would NEVER admit her failure as a mother of Kyron to Desiree. Not a chance in he!!. Terri always thought she was better than Desiree in every way, including being a better mother to Kyron.
IMO

Now I bet that will be interesting, thanks.

I believe that is correct, but not 100% sure.

LOL!  LOL!  I didn't mean you, Bearlyhere!  I borrowed that from Yogi Bear!  (I said that instead of smarter than the average cop.)  Anyway, I was giving Wyks a compliment!  I didn't meant to insult our resident Bear!   :smt049
 

Bearlythere,

Criminal Profiler, Pat Brown, suggested the meds theory, thinks she knows a lot more.  We know baby medication shouldn't be
potent, Pat Brown knows that, too.  PB just may know what SM bought at the second store. PB is fearless for a reason,
she knows whats going on.  ::MonkeyEek::

I think that I already asked this  ::MonkeyConfused:: but was the medication a prescription or over the counter?

Thanks seahorse

I hope that LE has evidence that supports the landscapers claim that a MFH attempt was a reality.

Think about it.  Terri has not be charged with attempting to have her husband killed.  Something is hinky.

Think about it.  The sting failed because Terri called 911 to report what appeared to be an extortion attempt by the landscaper.

Janet

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Landscaper Terri allegedly tried to hire to kill Kaine appears before grand jury
Last Update: 7:33 am

The landscaper in the alleged murder-for-hire plot involving Terri Horman testified before the grand jury, sources told KOIN Local 6.

In a story first reported by The Oregonian, Terri Horman allegedly tried to hire a landscaper to kill Kaine Horman six to seven months before Kyron Horman disappeared.

KL6 has confirmed investigators used an undercover agent on June 26 in an effort to get Terri to open up about the alleged plot. When the agent and the landscaper arrived at the Horman residence on Northwest Sheltered Nook Road that evening, Terri called 911 to report trespassers on the property, foiling the sting.

Law enforcement has not commented about the sting or whether it resulted in any evidence useful in their investigation

http://www.koinlocal6.com/content/news/topstories/story/Landscaper-Terri-allegedly-tried-to-hire-to-kill/DsZPsC9z3UujvXc6ZrUh-Q.cspx
 

What wrongdoing would the landscaper be granted immunity from.  Obviously ... he never went along with any MFH plot.

Janet

All very good points.

I have always wondered why people are saying Kaine was controlling. He may be to some degree, but Terri had a lot of freedom. If anyone was controlling, it could well be Terri.

Y.W. NoRose!   ::HelloKitty::

The CSI Twins will need Adult-Diapers soon. The CSI-Twins will Doo-Doo in their drawers ::MonkeyHaHa::

Thanks, Bearlyhere!  I love anime also, and I'm 60!  LOL!

Tell him I love to watch anything by Hiyao Miyazaki! 

Also, give him this link for youtube.  This is Mark Crilley's channel, and he has amazing videos where he draws manga, which is anime art.

http://www.youtube.com/user/markcrilley#p/a

I can see your side of this also.

I am remembering Kyron's email about not talking to the police.

I remember going to a doctor's appointment where my son had been up for 3 days (as an infant), he rarely slept and 3 days was not unusual.  I remember my eyes being so sore, I could not get my contacts in.  My mother was with me because she was a nurse and wanted to tell the doctor that I was not prone to hysterics, there was something wrong.  I remember the doctor saying to my Mom, please take this child for a while (I lived with her) so this Mom can get some rest.  We don't want our mothers hurting their babies.  I was in a state of total exhaustion.

I wonder if part of it all was that Terri got burnt out by being the caretaker of everyone.  I can only tell you that when your body has had it, it does not act normally.  I never even hit my child so it was a non issue for me.  But, my point is, the doctor mentioned it and begged my Mom to take my son, so it has to been an issue for some.  (She never did, the screaming was more than she could handle).

She really did look lousy at the end.  What could have caused it?

There was another case recently of a woman who plotted MFH on a guy, and it was 11 months or so before she was arrested.  I'm not surprised there has not been an arrest yet in Terri's case. I don't have a link, but I think I read about the case on here a while back.

That is a good point, but if he is an illegal, wondered if he can get immunity for that?

Hi Janet & Monkeys's,

Y.W. I am thinking like you suggested.

It only take 5 out of the 7 jurors to indict someone.  I am too willing to be patient or that Hot Shot attorney will get her off.

Unless you are a fly on the wall of the Horman household ... NOBODY knows what the dynamics were.  However ... when you consider the underlying character of a husband who could have an affair on his wife when she was eight months pregnant under any circumstances ... Kaine does not reflect my definition of integrity.

IMO

Janet

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Little Boy Lost
Report airs Monday, July 26, 10 p.m./9 C on Dateline NBC
by Kate Snow
NBC News
updated 7/26/2010 6:51:10 PM ET
 
TRANSCRIPT

DESIREE YOUNG: Unfortunately, Kaine was not faithful to me and met another woman.

KATE SNOW: That was Terri?

DESIREE YOUNG: Mm-hmm.

KATE SNOW: So all of the sudden you know that there's another woman. You're eight months pregnant.

DESIREE YOUNG: Yeah.

KATE SNOW: Must have been a low point in your life.

DESIREE YOUNG: Yeah. It was pretty hard to handle. I cried solid for two months and didn't leave the bedroom because I didn't understand why she somehow equated to something that was better than me and my son.

Kaine, however, insists that he and Desiree had broken up before he stated seeing Terri, agreeing to live separate lives under the same roof just until their baby came along.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38420266

Thank you, he is packing right now for a visit.  (I am guessing this is okay for a 16 year old).

 ::MonkeyTongue::

The moral of the story is, we all need to be vigilant.  Most of us have cell phones that take pictures.  If anything looks out of the ordinary, take pictures of what you are observing.  Don't let anything get by you.  Someone has to protect our children.  The pace at which we live makes it very easy for someone to hurt our children.  Don't let it happen.

It could be that Kaine and Terri both butted heads with James because he's a teenager and that happens.  It could be that Kaine was stringent and in order for James to be happy, the best thing for the child was to get him out of that environment.  If so, Terri would have done what was best for her son.  However, it doesn't mean that there wasn't a lot of emotion attached and that maybe Terri thought since she took care of and got along with Kyron (Kaine's son), that Kaine should have worked harder to get along with James (her son).

I think there's some deep divisions going on and probably is one of the main reasons for the "don't talk" stance.  One never knows the true dynamics going on in someone else's home behind closed doors. 

Don't get me wrong...NONE of this would make it okay to hurt Kyron.  None.

I hear where you are coming from Bearly, believe me. And so true, was Terri burnt out, is she mentally ill, is she just evil, which personally I don't believe she is. Hopefully more info will come out about all this, and what was all happening inside the Horman home. I'm just believe it takes two to tango, and don't believe for a second it was just Terri, it appears that the marriage wasn't the greatest. Just curious what all was happening.

I just remembered something. Didn't Desiree and Kaine threaten to take DeDe to civil court if she were not forthcoming with LE about Kyron? If she does manage to get immunity for her information, and if that information could have led to an earlier discovery of Kyron, I would wager that Desiree and Kaine will haul her to civil court. I don't think you can bankrupt away punitive damages (anyone know for sure?), so they could make her life miserable forever. They will own her and every penny she has forever.

 ::monkeywine2::

Good morning No Rose.  ...to a KATU News "source"....Source equals whomever Terri sent the messages to (a friend, a relative, etc.)  That "source" has sent the message to KATU and when read it appears like it was sent to KATU, but was sent to someone else.

NoRose, IDK about immunity, but I do know SM is being cornered by GJ and they may not be fiinished with her, yet.
I enjoy comments by retired Portland Police Capt. C.W. Jensen and I also like Bruce McCain, usually on HLN talk shows.
(snip)

"What you are doing in a grand jury - in an investigative grand jury - is you are painting a picture of everyone and you want to have all four corners of the page and so that’s what you’re doing here," Jensen said.
(snip)
http://www.koinlocal6.com/content/news/topstories/story/Landscaper-Terri-allegedly-tried-to-hire-to-kill/DsZPsC9z3UujvXc6ZrUh-Q.cspx

Ooohhh, Bearly you brought tears to my eyes and memories rushing back!  25 wk premie, projectile vomitimg, special needs in the beginning.  I don't know how you did it without help from your Mom.  My Mom and Dad were my rock.  He didn't sleep for 2 1/2 yrs and could never lay down.  We had to hold him for 2 yrs just so we could rest and him too.  You are so right, I could handle what happened but what if Teri was burned out.  I just don't know.  Kaine could've been a hands off hubby except for pic time.  JMO

I totally agree with all of your post.  I think that Terri wants everyone to see her a this perfect woman who does everything right.  And when she got tired of playing mom she blamed Kaine for her unhappiness.  And of course all would believe her because he is the guy who left his pregnant wife for Terri. 

What really gets me is to see folks blame everyone (Kaine, Desiree, Tony, the kids, etc) for Terri's actions. 

Hi No Rose

Maybe the landscaper's immigration status was used as a plea bargaining toll in regards to the MFH attempt.

However ... it appears that in today's world being an illegal is no longer illegal.


Janet

Good idea, Bearly!  You can always delete the photos later on the computer.

Give an alibi, that you are taking photo's of the License plate for a Lottery number.  ::MonkeyHaHa::
 
That should work if someone is antsy about taking a picture of them.

Ugh...this just makes me cringe.  To think of her driving around for whatever timeframe she claims it is waiting for whatever she gave him to take effect.  Maybe when they 'took effect' she called DD?  And then whatever plan was put in motion?  Ugh...just brings tears to my eyes to think of him falling asleep in the truck (if that happened) peacefully and not knowing....  But yes...if something horrible happened, it would be better if he was 'out' and unaware...  :( :(

I'd think he should have reported it 7 months ago rather than waiting until after Kyron went missing. 

Do we "know" that's where Terri parked; afterall, these are manufactured photos.  Just saying...

Yes, it's mostly teenagers that visit his channel!  Teenagers and me!  LOL

We have a cheap emergency phone, and my husband usually has it, because he drives more.  However, I have a nice little digital camera.  It also has short video capacity.  I think it would be a good idea to take it everywhere.  You are right!  Someone has to protect our children.  It takes a village to protect the children as well as raise them! 

The little bit we do know is that they want us to believe that they believe it was Terri and DeDe and even implanting in our minds where the white truck was parked.  Yet, LE asks for "independent" recollections to come forth. 

People with clear, independent recollections would have already come forth IMO.  If folks were reluctant to come forth and not be involved, I don't think they will now either.  JMO.

Puzzler - the photos with the truck in it were manufactured but the photos being referred to here are of Fred Meyer parking lot and the description of the photo is "from Terri's parking spot".   That is not being manufactured.

Go back to reply #220 by seemeatthebeach.  That's why I made that comment.   ::HelloKitty::

I think Kaine was a lousy husband, a dawg, and that is my opinion based on his conduct while married to Desiree, and his latest RUMORED affair.

But, he by all means was good to the children in his home, and a better father than many I know.

To me, no matter if James moved out because of Kaine, or because of Terri, nothing justifies Terri harming Kyron.

Kyron was just an innocent child who had no say when he was placed in the difficult situation created by the adults in his life, it was not his fault to be caught in such a horrible environment.

She is no fairy godmother, but he is no prince charming either.

"anyone else" ~ I'll never live that down!  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Let's just see if I did the quote business correctly ~    ::MonkeyRoll::

Regarding ear infections/aches

When my kids have ear aches they have always had fever.  My doc would have me use the ear drop pain relief and an OTC antihistamine.  Dimetapp and Zyrtec will make 2 of my kids sleepy.  Especially when taken with motrin or tylenol.  (I have one child that climbs with walls with most meds.)  If the ache didn't go away with 24 hours or if there was drainage from the ear we would then go to antibiotic and prescription antihistamine.  The point being, antihistamines will usually make a child sleepy, even the OTC type.

It sure does appear that way, doesn't it?

That's my question, are these manufactured pictures done this way because they have proof this is where she was parked? Or they think this may be where she parked?

I agree, but if he was illegal, he was probably afraid to report it.  He was flying under the radar.  That is so unfortunate for Kyron's sake!  If it had been revealed earlier Kyron might still be with us!  Sometimes doing the right thing, even if it's a scary thing, can save a life!

As to investigators asking the public for information, I think we need to keep in mind that not all of the public - even locals - is "on this" like we are at SM.  I think you've got people - maybe even people who dropped a child off at the school that day - that lead such busy lives, they are not watching every news show etc. They may not even know about a white truck. I think that this is what the investigators are looking for. Trying to reach those few people who may not have come forward because they aren't on this, and didn't realize that what they saw that day was significant.

Having had relatives in fairly high profile (locally anyhow) media situations, I know how weird it can seem when you ask someone "Did you see this in the paper?" and they have no idea what you're talking about. Thus, the pleas to the people -

Which seems so silly to us - "They didn't tell us anything new!!" But is a very important part of the investigation, in fact.

From a moral perspective ... I agree.  However ... I have read many posts on this forum that imply the landscaper did not commit a crime when he failed to report the MFH attempt.

Think about it.  This guy has no scruples in regards to entering the United States illegally while many throughout the world are willing to go through the legal channels to become citizens of what is perceived to be one of the greatest nations in the the world ... why would he approach LE and jeopardize being send back to "where he came from"?

Janet

Last year my 6 yo was at her soccer game and all the sudden started screaming at the top of her lungs. She had an ear infection and it started hurting in the middle of the game, out of the blue. She screamed all the way to the ER, and the entire time there. They gave her Tylenol w/ codeine and sent us home with a prescription for that and some antibiotic drops. It is entirely possible that they could have prescribed pain meds.

OT- Remains found identified as Mitrice Richardson
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=6208.msg1205743#msg1205743

Puzzler from your post.   
People with clear, independent recollections would have already come forth IMO.  If folks were reluctant to come forth and not be involved, I don't think they will now either.            I totally agree with this, just hard to imagine that people will come forward now with fuzzy memories. If Terri was doing something or was driving recklessly or something to draw attention, then people would have noticed. But if she was driving normal and acting normal in the stores and parking lot, I can't imagine that people would notice this.

It was over 6 years until he slept.  Not a premie, but reflux and hypersensitive to sounds, and words.  He picked up a germ which gave him sepsis then he needed a ventilator, they told me he might die.  I held him for many years or put him in the swing and slept right behind it.

I think Terri was Kaine's caretaker, too.  Why leave your wife, who is 8 months pregnant?  Many leave because they are no longer the one getting all of the attention and care.  A pregnant woman needs to take care of both herself and her unborn child before anyone else.  Now walks in Terri who is giving him attention and becoming his caretaker.   Then comes Kyron.  How did Kaine manipulate Desiree into letting him have full custody after she was well?  Maybe he wore her down.  Then when Kiara came, and I believe she was a terror from what I have read Terri say (it only matters what Terri thinks anyway), she could no longer hold all the balloons up in the air and they all came crashing down.  Then her son left.

Thank-you, I figured on the local news this morning the remains were going to be Mitrice  ::MonkeyNoNo::

No, not blaming them, looking for a motive.  What would motivate someone to do that?  That is what people have trouble wrapping their head around what may have been done.  What would make a person do that.

There is a big difference between blame and motive.

You know, I have just a many thoughts of Terri being involved in Kyron going missing as most everyone else.  But, still, I have a problem with the LE/press in painting a picture for us that is so anti-Terri.

Words make a difference.  Simple example: open this link and the message from the press - According to retired Portland Police Capt. C.W. Jensen, the grand jury is looking at this “because it paints them a picture of Terri's character’.

Sounds like this GJ was formed to “only” look at Terri’s character.

Then the press makes a quote of what was actually said:  "What you are doing in a grand jury - in an investigative grand jury - is you are painting a picture of everyone and you want to have all four corners of the page and so that’s what you’re doing here," Jensen said.

Now, THAT makes much more sense of why a GJ is formed.  Not just to paint a picture of Terri, but to investigate everyone involved and have all for corners of the page (a well-rounded picture of what happened).  A well-rounded picture is the way to make appropriate conclusions.

Too late, most readers have already read that the GJ was formed to paint a picture of Terri and that’s what’s remembered.

I, too, think Terri is guilty of something…but I could be wrong. 

Whatever…Kyron is missing and I’m getting really concerned that some avenues could be overlooked when the public is being fed what they’re to believe.

Oh that is so Sad.  ::MonkeyNoNo:: Her parents have to be shattered.

Yes...I'd love to be a fly on the wall!!!  Talk about finding out about "Terri's" character!!

Thank-you.

Has it ever been confirmed that Kiara actually did have symptoms of an ear infection?  or is that just Terri's work on that too?  I am sure Kaine would know this, but have never heard him comment.  Terri going to the gym with her just an hour or 2 after she had to "ride" her around to comfort her is somewhat unbelievable too.  Sure meds would help, but in my experience, it takes a little bit for kids to snap back well enough to be dropped of at the gym daycare... My kids were always cranky & clingy - even when meds were beginning to help...They had no patience of being anywhere but home with me - certainly they wouldn't tolerate strangers(like at the gym daycare)


I wonder HOW MANY inconsistancies(lies) Terri has been caught in.  I'd love to know.

That's a VERY good question.  IF he can get immunity from being illegal...then I would be concerned he would say anything to get to be here legally.  Could you even trust what he says?  This is a person who has no qualms with breaking the law.

I agree, big difference between blame and motive. For me I need to know what would cause someone to do this, and really most crimes I follow, just need to know.

Was SM the Beneficary on Kyron Horman insurance policy?  :smt102 That is the question I want to know.

The motive is greed, money; she needed money when they broke up.  :smt093

That really bothers me. I'm not even sure if this person is illegal, don't think there is anything but rumor on this, but I could be wrong. But I wouldn't trust what he has to say if true.

BINGO!!

I am trying to find out what may have happened and how we can prevent this from happening.  I would like to know what to look for so we can tell people what to look for.  I am in no way making excuses for anyone who would plan to hurt a child.  

Desiree knew right away it was Terri.  How can we support the Desiree's in this world to come forward before it may be too late.  I do not think Kaine would have been any help.  He has negated several things Desiree says, several key things.  He was not supportive of her from her pregnancy on, from what I have seen.  

Her husband is LE, yet as far as I know there were no proceedings to get custody. We need to support women/men to come forth with what they know, especially a parent.  I want to enable the Desirees in this world, not blame them.  I want people to take a good look around and see if this is happening in their own lives, their family's, or friends's lives.  I would like to encourage people to make sure parents to go out for the night.  To offer to watch the kids and give them time alone, where they are not just mommy and daddy.  I do it all the time.  My neighbor had a baby this year and I ask her all the time if she needs a night out.  (She does have a husband and they take very good care of this baby).

I am trying to save our children, the innocents who are caught in the crossfire.

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...too many innocents.

I am sorry, I should have snipped that, please don't tell a mod.

 ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyShocked::

That is a question that LE has not addressed, or the media. Strange, because $$$ is always a clear motive. I wonder if it's for $350,000?
JK

I would guess that working for Intel, Kaine had a life insurance policy as a benefit. Even if Kaine had chosen his bio-children as beneficiaries, with Kyron out and Terri being the administrator for the minor Kiara, she would make sure to live in luxury, for a few years at least.

IMO

 ::HelloKitty:: 

1.  Re Kyron Horman insurance policy-I think you have to wait 7 years if no body is found, so not a good plan.  Kaine Horman inusrance policy is a much better plan and all those stock options, etc.

2.  Re immigration-just because one wants to live in any country in the world, one cannot.  I want to go live in a different country, but because I do not have th skills they want, it's not an option.

The US has immigration quotes.  There are major companies that want to change the quotas for certain countries because they want people from those countries to work in the science/computer industries.  I don't know why when we have plenty unemployed in those fields.

I am fairly sure that the quotas for central American and Mexico are filled and not an option.

I have been to Mexico and the people are POOR POOR POOR except for the super rich and the miles of condos and resorts filled with Americans.

Mexico has money, but it doesn't translate as getting to the people.  If that could be fixed, there is probably no way most people from Mexico would come here and leave their families.

Bearly,

Greed has no answer.  If SM was greedy, money is the only answer.  Kyron is most likely buried at a findable spot. When things
settled "someone would call a Tip" and Kyron would be found.  The Insurance Policy she would collect on if she was on the Policy.
She is a greedy son of a son, just a hunch.

 ::HelloKitty::
The meds that are for earaches - I found online. Via the Rite-Aid Store.
I checked and yes, they do have Rite-Aids in Portland. The Fred Meyer store, you cannot search for individual products. So I opted to check a Rite Aid.
Maybe this link will work:

http://www.riteaidonlinestore.com/templates/stdplist/default.asp?catid=149515&trx=GFI-0-EVGR-MCN&trxp1=149363&trxp2=149515&trxp3=2&trxp4=ML

That is the list of OTC Earache Meds for children. I checked all of them, they are all Holistic and are interaction free. None of them produce sleepiness.
The one company, "Hyland's" which produces Holistic meds they make earache self dissolving tablets for the little ones.  They also make, Rite-Aid sells, a sleep aid. Again Holistic. Hyland's Calms Forte Non-Habit Forming Sleep Aid Tablets. This sleep aid is not listed under meds for Children, but it is one that children can use without side effects.
http://www.riteaidonlinestore.com/products/prod.asp?pid=33135&catid=1192&trx=PLST-0-CAT&trxp1=1192&trxp2=33135&trxp3=1&trxp4=0&btrx=BUY-PLST-0-CAT
There is many reviews on each of these products. The one that I thought was interesting, was written by a Mom, that she gives this sleep aid to her son, who has ADHD
Her review:
Pros: Good Value, Natural-Feeling Results, No Side Effects, Works Quickly
Describe Yourself: ADHD Son, Regular User
Best Uses: Before Sleep
Bottom Line: recommended
With my son having ADHD, sleep is a problem. This is effective to help him calm down and get to a point where he can fall asleep. it doesn't inter-react with any of his prescribed medications and unlike medicinal sleep-aids, it does not produce the opposite effect in an ADHD body.
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The story that Terri is offering. She went to one Fred Meyers, could not find the earache meds for Kiara. So she hopped in the truck and went to the next Fred Meyer. That doesn't sound right to me. Wouldn't it dawn on a you, that if one Fred Meyer doesn't have it.. more than likely your not going to find it at another Fred Meyer. Would you not go to a different store. Usually like Rite-Aid for instance, they carry certain brands, (say you can't find what you need) you have to go to a CVS (the competitor) to find what your looking for, because Rite-Aid does not carry it. ( wouldn't a big box store like Fred Meyer's have stock up the ying yang) ... I don't buy it, that she went looking for the same meds, traveling to two FM stores.
* why would you torture your kid, driving around, to go to yet another of the same store .. for a earache med. Wouldn't you just find the nearest drugstore and pop in there.
 ::MonkeyNoNo:: Earaches are the worst for little ones.

I dunno. Before they were just asking about a white truck, Terri, and Kyron in the area. Now they are really, really asking about a white truck, Terri and DeDe, and they are being more specific about the locations. It may ring a bell with a few people who brushed by the info before. People with just a tidbit that they considered unimportant before may be willing to throw their tidbit into the pot.

Asking everyone in a certain parking area at the school may ring a bell for a few who were there. They may have noticed a car or a person with whom they were not familiar. It was the end of the school year, and most would be familiar with families and vehicles of the students.

I firmly believe that Terri is behind the disappearance of Kyron but ... I also believe that others are involved ... have connections.  It is my contention that the implications encompassing the events which occurred on the morning of June 4, 2010 are very far reaching.

Janet

Agreed IM!

 ::MonkeyGavel::

See, you did a great job.  I am only teasing and it is not about you, it is about me.

 ::MonkeyCool::

That doesn't make sense to me as to what I understand about the Grand Jury. Unless there's different types of Grand Jury cases - and in all my research, that was not what I found.

What I understand about Grand Jury, is that it is formed to approve and indictment of a particular crime against a particular person. It is not a place for defense - that would come at a trial, if said indictment is approved by the Grand Jury.

So it makes sense that if an indictment is being weighed by a Grand Jury against Terri - either for the MFH, or for the disappearance of Kyron, that it would be all about Terri.

I think that the quote by the media is not accurate concerning the Grand Jury and the way it is used.