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I am for the first time ever, one of the first monks in the clean cage, lol.

Thanks Klaasend.

Does anyone have any thoughts on why a Guardian Ad Litem has not been assigned for Kyron?

Is it necessary at this point, and if one is assigned to Kyron, would one be assigned for each of the other children in the Horman home?

::MonkeyEek::

Ouch! God the cage door slammed on my tail!

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Not sure why he would need a guardian ad litem. Kaine and Desiree are still his legal guardians, and there is no legal action pending... that I know of.

He may later on need one, my opinion only.

:D

 ::MonkeyAngel::

That's a great question. I assume the statutes vary by state, but in mine, the law clearly spells out GAL appointment for missing children.

...If the child is alleged to be a child in need of services under:

(A) IC 31-34-1-1 (Inability, refusal, or neglect of parent, guardian or custodian to supply child with necessary food, clothing, shelter, medical care, education, or supervision);

(B) IC 31-34-1-2 (Act or omission of parent, guardian or custodian seriously endangering child's physical or mental health);

(C) IC 31-34-1-3 (Victim of sex offense; living in same household as victim of sex offense);

(D) IC 31-34-1-4 (Parent, guardian or custodian allowing child's participation in obscene performance);

(E) IC 31-34-1-5 (Parent, guardian or custodian allowing child to commit sex offense);

(F) IC 31-34-1-7 (Parent, guardian or custodian failing to participate in school disciplinary proceeding); or

(G) IC 31-34-1-8 (Missing child);

the court shall appoint a guardian ad litem, court appointed special advocate, or both, for the child.


It doesn't appear as though Oregon has as comprehensive a code, but this is from 2005 so perhaps they've updated it (or perhaps I'm not reading it properly) http://www.law.yale.edu/RCW/rcw/jurisdictions/am_n/usa/oregon/frontpage.htm

I found this quite interesting:

Kyron Horman case: New questionnaires and a bigger gap for DeDe


http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2010/08/11/kyron-horman-case-new-questionnaires-and-a-bigger-gap-for-dede/

Very interesting thank-you.  Question, the farm she was working on is big, is it possible at all that DeDe was somewhere on the farm and she wasn't noticed? Her car and if I read correctly her phone was left in the car never left the property. But what I don't understand is how the time line changed at the farm. It went from one time line to a totally different time line, have to wonder how that new time was reached.

I think the whole misunderstanding came in the word "abruptly" as in DeDe left abruptly at 11:30. Maybe that was the media's words. I think 11:30 was the time they tried calling her with no avail.Upon further investigation, no one could account for having seen her even before then, from around 9:30 or 10.

A lot of pictures of SKYLINE school
http://forums.radionewz.net/index.php?topic=151.0

I agree. A Guardian as Litem is typically used in custodial cases where one parent is accusing the other parent of improper parenting. With Kyron, although KH & DY are throwing accusations out there about TH, she is not a legal parent to Kyron.

On the other side of the coin, I'm not sure why one was not appointed for Kiara.

Hi Klaas,  I've never seen a PM system here and can't find your email address when I need it.  But I have a request for a poster to contact someone and would like to give that info to you.  I'll only be home for about 10 min before heading back to work.  It is 12:40.  Thanks Klaas.  xox

Hello Everyone and Thank you very much Klaas for approving me  ::MonkeyDance::
I live in London , but learned about Kyron while on a holiday in US and have been reading here ever since.His always smiling face captured my heart and i pray he is found alive very soon ! So thank you all again for the useful information and thoughts you provide every day and once again i am excited to be here !

Sauvie Island
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/SauvieIsland014.jpg)

Looking at all of these pictures I got a real sad feeling OR is a very large place ::MonkeyNoNo::

Thank-you, it was more then likely the media's word, abruptly. Because the way I understand it, no one on the farm saw her leave, because if they did, they would have probably asked her where are you going?

Hi Blink,  That or something similar to it happened in the Madeleine McCann case.  But it was done because there was a preceeding court action having to do with her welfare.  I don't know of any such situation in Kyron's case, for instance with Child Welfare.   '

As always, thanks for all you do in fighting crime Blink.  xox

WELCOME  ::MonkeyCool::  Cool avatar.

Welcome Leah!

Interesting question blink...

So DeDe is on a 40 acre farm, doesnt have her phone with her, it was left in her car. She began working at what time? The last time she was seen on the farm was around 10 and then again at 1. LE has to have more then this because I am sure about 10,000 other people in Oregon are also unaccounted for between the hours of 10-1.

Thanks to who posted the pics...I have seen them before and that door to the mechanical room freaks me out everytime. I still say it is possible that Kyron was tied up and taken out via a container and either taken out of the school or placed somewhere and possibly picked up by someone. Now who could have done that? I suppose that is the question of the day.

If Terri and DeDe planned this they really did a horrible job. Terri risked everything if she took Kyron out of that school. Anyone at anytime could have seen her. Anyone at any time could have noticed Kyron was missing. Given the grass was being mowed, put someone right outside where she would be. There was also so many people coming and going, anyone could have seen her. Then rather then rural street to do a swap it is being assumed that it happened in a parking lot with camera's? Then Dede, leaves work when at any moment someone could have noticed she was not around. Why didn't she just stay home that day, pretend she was sick? She could have left to meet Terri and not have worried about it? If this was their plan, it was not a very good one, considering they may have spent time on this. Remember that show, The worlds dumbest criminals? Well these two if responsible need to be on the next episode.

Honestly this all makes me want to reconsider thinking she is responsible. 

 

Klaas, Could you post your email address again?  Thanks   ::HelloKitty::

Yea good point.

Great points. Why didn't DeDe just stay home that day? I agree, if these two are responsible they are really dumb criminals. And yes, why would you go to a parking lot with cameras?  ::MonkeyEek::

Welcome, Leah.

*tosses a banana and a glass of wine to Leah*

 ::monkeywine2::

Ello leahlvo7,

Welcome aboard.  :smt060

It doesn't make sense, but Terri was not honest in her initial discussions with LE, and she was focused on herself, not Kyron. Then she hired a criminal defense lawyer and shut up instead of cooperating with LE. I don't have a problem with anyone hiring a lawyer in this situation because it is good to have their counsel, but I do have a problem when someone hires a lawyer and refuses to talk with LE.

If DeDe is involved and decided to stay home that day, it would have been a red flag. Sneaking away from work on a 40-acre property would have less risk.

If Terri is not involved, she has certainly caused a lot of problems and distractions for LE by not being forthright. I don't know if DeDe is cooperating as best she can or not.

I agree that if either or both are responsible, there have been some really dumb moves. The purchase of throwaway phones is jaw-dropping.

I think it's more than that - I think it's that, plus buying the phones with a fake name (the same day Kyron went missing??) The only reason to do that is to circumvent LE, and in such a serious situation, as a child missing, that is a HUGE no-no.

Perhaps they were making sure DY didn't show up to the exhibition because if she did, the plan would have been foiled.

amom2,

Were the phones purchased before or after Kyron went missing?  Thank-you!

Good day monkeys!

I have complete faith that LE is on the right track and that Terri is responsible for Kyron's disappearance.  If I am wrong I will eat crow, but all the things she has done add up to her being complicit.  I still wonder why she won't fight to see Kiara?  Is it because she would have to answer a few questions first?

Did ya run out of that whiskey Grey?  ::MonkeyDevil::

*hic*

As I understood it, they were purchased same day he went missing, after he went missing.

 ::HelloKitty::

First we had Terri say that she left Kyron at school at 8:45 and watched him walk down the hall (even though she says he had starting having issues of being in some kind of daze; and the environment was chaotic and unorganized.  Whatever, loving mother)


Then she says in her email she left at 9.  So which is it?  If it was 9, what was she doing for 15 minutes in that school or grounds?

TH also told so many different versions of her doings on the 4th. Why? Liars have to keep changing their story as each new part of their original tale gets discredited. Why the lies?

I don't think this happened the way we are considering. I don't believe Terri left with Kyron, I am considering someone helped her get him out of the school.

I disagree with you about DeDe, I think her being somewhere that was around other people was more of a risk then saying she was home, sick. It is not against the law to be sick or alone in a condo where you live alone. a person doesn't always have to have a witness to their whereabouts. But maybe she thought well if I am at work on a 40 acre farm and I leave my phone in my car and leave my car there, I can say I was busy and not around other people. However, she left for 3 hours! She also choose a farm not that far away from the horman house which much to her downfall at the moment has put her in the direct area of the crime. Could be since she was so close she walked to the horman house and Terri picked her up from there? But I honestly think if this was planned, Terri and Dede would not have been together that day. I also believe Terri left Kyron and someone else took over. Who? I am not sure, but I think someone who could be at the school without being noticed or stand out.
I think there is a 3rd person that helped to get Kyron from the school to where ever they took him. I think he was hidden in something and taken out, he didn't walk out.

Just my opinion as of 1:54 PM on August 13th, 2010. I reserve the right to change my mind, lol.

Maybe she was waiting to see if another car left? That way there would be no need to communicate, she would know the plan worked and Kyron was taken out of the school and the plan was set in motion. Terri would go to certain places to create an alibi, DeDe would be at work and then if she left, then she left and did her side of the the plan, whatever that was.

The truck was taken on the 3rd for whatever reason maybe that reason was not a dry run but a run that didn't work for whatever reason and "take 2" was on Friday.

I don't think this has ever completely been varified, am I wrong? Can someone please post who said this and when? TIA

Scatty would you mind posting the different stories and time lines? I am drawing a blank. I know we read a supposed email from Terri stating she left the school at 9, did the other time lines come from Terri directly or from LE? I think it would be interesting to directly compair the different stories

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  Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, PORTLAND, OR #18 8/11/10
« Reply #884 on: August 13, 2010, 09:51:40 AM » 

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Sorry, what I was saying is that I hope that LE knows what they are doing. Things are not looking so hot in my opinion in the way that they are handling this case. They focused in so fast on one suspect. Then they allowed press conferences that smeared her all over the place. Weeks later after they have successfully worked up the Portland residents into a lather against Terri, they are just now releasing more photos? It sounds like leading to me. If Terri is guilty of ANYTHING I want the case against her to STICK! So far, I can see Houze having a field day in court. UGH!

sorry i dropped the fly swatter on key board

anyway those are my thoughts too,

thanks for the info on pic blonde
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8365.msg1206652#msg1206652

This is where it came from:

http://www.foxnewsinsider.com/2010/08/09/police-bump-up-search-for-kyron-horman/


Police Bump Up Search for Kyron Horman
Harris Faulkner 9:48 am on August 9, 2010 

Just got off the phone with Multnomah Sheriff’s Department and they confirmed a “tip” led them to bump up the search again for 7-year-old Kyron Horman. Kinda knew that but, wanted to see if they would comment about reports that the “tip” came from family friend, DeDe Spicher. They wouldn’t tell me if that’s true. But, Spicher told a Grand Jury on Friday that she, another girlfriend and Kyron’s stepmom, Terri Horman, each bought an untraceable cell phone the day the little boy vanished. The cops wouldn’t tell me if they’re looking for those phones in the big renewed search. This case is intense. Where is that child?!

smklaas@hotmail.com

Valhall lays it out so much better than I could.

http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2010/08/11/kyron-horman-case-new-questionnaires-and-a-bigger-gap-for-dede/

does a monkey have that farm addy handy,that dede was at 6-4-10
on old germantown road
TIA

Is it 13000 Nw Old Germantown Road?

 ::MonkeyCool::wildmala for a new monkey your on it, welcome and TY

You know, after surviving cancer and a real abusive relationship while going through it, and then finding a wonderful man, I started to look at life differently. My thought was, "What can I do to make this world a bit better for someone else?" I was an analyst for close to 20 years (and a good one I might say), and I have to be able to use that to help someone or some thing.

Then came a news report about a sweet faced little boy that went missing from his school, in my state of Oregon. This little angel grabbed at my heart strings, and I swore from that day, that I was going to do what ever I can to help bring him home. My contribution may be small, but my intention is heartfelt.

I became a member of one forum (yes THAT forum), but the progress wasn't based on facts. I peeked into SM forum once in a while, and was impressed with the research. BTW, Monkey was what my dad called me when I was a little girl, and I even have a Monkey Tree planted in my front yard!  ::MonkeyTongue::

I know I'm babbling, but I firmly believe, between Blink, SM, & all of the web sleuth forums out there, we will be able to find Kyron. We just need more facts right now.

Thanks for letting me share  ::MonkeyAngel::

sassifrass  ::MonkeyAngel::

Thank-you Monkeys for your responses. I will go sniffing around... :smt101

Why would someone think to buy a new cellphone on the day a child goes missing unless YOU ARE INVOLVED? ::MonkeyNoNo::

 ::MonkeyNoNo:: I'm starting to get very concerned about Desiree and Kaine. They haven't been seen at all since testifying in front of the GJ. I do hope they didn't hear something terrible about Kyron and are now trying to deal with that. They were trying so hard to keep it together during this investigation.

I just pray that they are alright and Kyron comes home to them safe.

Hi Monkey's,

http://www.katu.com/news/100161574.html  This link reports the cell phones were bought after Kaine left.

I also heard the phones were bought on the same day Kyron vanished. 

Could it be that cell phones were purchased one the same day Kyron vanished (when? that morning?) and after Kaine left?

Thank you NRCG  ::MonkeyAngel::

I feel like we're missing something here. I can't put my finger on it, but something is missing from the equation, something overlooked. It might be a good idea to go back to the beginning.

Typo: Should be "... on the same day ..."

Yes Seahorse - that's what all the reports said it was only Harris Faulkner's report that said otherwise.  

http://www.foxnewsinsider.com/2010/08/09/police-bump-up-search-for-kyron-horman/

Here is our first thread on the case:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8073.0

Thanks Klaas!

It has to be one or the other, someone in the media has done some bad reporting.

I agree, something is sure missing for me also.

cw  ::HelloKitty::
Aug 9, 2010

The Hinky Meter Archives

On June 4, DeDe was working on the gardens at the Westwind Farm Studio,[/b] .... www.thehinkymeter.com/

Does that help?  Do you know where Westwind Farm Studio is CW?  This is unconfirmed, just trusting HinkyMeter.com

wildmala is right, welcome, Wildmala!

1300 NW Old Germantown Rd.
Portland, OR 97231
503-286-4810

http://www.westwindfarmstudio.com/about/shoot-location/

 ::HelloKitty:: the address for the farm has been listed as 1300 and 13000.  On their website, it's listed as 13000 so I'd go with that

Hi, wildmala. Welcome!

*offers a banana and a stiff drink*   ::monkeywine2::

Yes but it is not correct, Terri Horman did NOT leave the school at 9am and drive the 7 miles to the first store shop and get checked out by 9:12 it just isn't possible.

Right. That's when Terri's story changed (also in the article). She then claimed to have left at 8:45.

 ::HelloKitty::  Dede's friend of 20 years says that Dede and Terri have hardly any  had talking with each other.  The friend thinks that's a real plus in Dede's favor.

I. on the other hand, am wondering how in fact they did communicate as I think they appear to be really good friends.

It would take it longer than that for me just to get the kid out of the carseat ::MonkeyEek::

And when your husband and baby move out, would you really want a mere acquaintance staying with you for around 10 days? Sounds like DeDe was close like family.

Even with this I don't see her leaving with Kyron harming him and then going shopping, it just doesn't make any sense. It also doesn't make sense that no one saw her with Kyron at school or at the store so I still feel there are so many questions we don't have the answer to. So I am still not going to speculate on what happened but I have lost faith in LE.

whooo hooo , I can post now.. just me klaas I guess, no telling what I was doing... or not doing is more like it.   ::MonkeyDevil::

Darn! My spells and incantations did not work!

 ::MonkeyDevil::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::  Frankly, I don't trust any of the timelines that Terri has come up with. I think the only truth we'll hear won't be anything that has come from Terri, but might come from one of her posse/groupies if he or she finally decides to the right thing and come clean.

i didnt realize that was the same farm till you asked
http://www.gardenconservancy.org/opendays/gardens.pl?ID=269&IDEvent=346&SortBy=&State=

O/T
On Nancy Grace, a woman poisoned her husband after watching CSI. Sex and money involved.
She was a CSI fan. If I was a man I'd be on alert if my wife watched CSI.  ::MonkeyShocked::

http://twitter.com/koin_local_6           Broadcast should be soon.

::MonkeyHaHa::

That is true for any woman whose husband watches CSI, or any of the other forensic science shows.

Thankfully, with today's real life CSI those who commit crimes and think they will get away with it are eventually caught.

If anyone is watching, did they have anything yet? 

Thank you for posting to the hinkymeter, she/he comes up with good theories I cannot argue with that. However, I have to say, the difference in 15 min in someones story is not that big of a deal. She may have left Kyron at 8:45 but pulled out of the parking lot at 9, may have noticed the time on the clock. Take or give 5 min either way. What tells me this could have happened is because they are exact times, not like 8:47 she walked out the door of the school. It was a best guess estimate in my opinion.

The cell phone purchase that day is very suspicious but doesn't it show this was not planned? Why would they do this on the day of the plan? Was it poor planning, like oh shoot, she was supposed to do this but forgot? Or did it become necessary to do. I think somehow their plan got messed up the day before and this was one of the things that happened and they realized they needed phones and purchased them once the plan was in action.

Also, 2nd person in the truck would have to be someone that wouldn't draw attention if Terri was seen with this person. if it was a romantic interest, well she is married that would stand out. If it was someone she was normally seen with, I don't think it would draw that much attention. I wonder who it was.

I still say, I don't think Terri left the school with Kyron? Someone got him out of there for her concealed in something. Am I right? I don't know anymore then anyone else does. Just makes sense to me.

CW,

 The farm is 400 acres, so are both addresses correct?

http://www.katu.com/news/local/100663409.html


School groundskeeper clarifies timeline to investigators

By Anna Canzano KATU News and KATU.com Staff

Story Published: Aug 13, 2010 at 5:32 PM PDT



TIP LINE - (503) 261-2847

PORTLAND, Ore. - A groundskeeper, who was mowing the soccer field at Skyline School the morning Kyron Horman disappeared, clarified his timeline to investigators Friday morning and it differs slightly from what he told a KATU News reporter earlier in the week.

Portland Parks and Recreation turf technician, Dave Stensen, told a reporter he never saw the Hormans’ white Ford F-250 pickup truck in the two areas investigators asked about during a Wednesday news conference.

Those two places were on an access road to the soccer field and investigators say they want to talk to anyone who may have seen the Hormans’ truck on it between 8:15 a.m. and 8:45 a.m., Friday June 4.

Stensen told a reporter earlier in the week that he cut the grass on the soccer field between 7:45 a.m. and 8:30 a.m. and never saw the truck on the road.

He had to use the gravel access road to get to the soccer field, only he apparently used it before and after that half-hour window of time.

He met with two detectives and a deputy district attorney at Skyline School early Friday to go over his timeline in detail.

Stensen told investigators that he left Skyline School as late as 8:45 a.m. or 9 a.m., which means he could have missed seeing the Horman truck being in the two spots investigators are interested in, especially since he spent his time and attention at the school mowing the soccer field.

Still, authorities said it was helpful to have spoken to Stensen in depth.

Investigators say they are still hoping to speak with anyone who was at the school the morning of June 4 and saw the truck that Kyron’s stepmother, Terri Horman, was driving and anyone who was in it or around it.

Investigators say that could be key information into Kyron’s disappearance.

This story is in progress and will be updated . . .

Hi,  I know this is the address that was real close to the last search on that road, but why do I still think about Rosemont Farms?  Was that wrong and it changed to Westwind where she was working?  Ta

I'm concerned, too!  The last time I saw them, they were both in terrible shape!  Desiree couldn't stop crying, and Kaine broke down and cried, too.

 ::MonkeyTears::

I think they've realized that the outcome may be bad.

Welcome to all the new monkeys!

Sassifrass -  :smt056

http://www.koinlocal6.com/content/news/topstories/story/Grand-jury-witness-shares-her-June-4-encounter/ZRn4GrYpt0a0BAxulU8rEA.cspx

Hi,  the 2nd person might have drawn more attention than we realize if he was outside of the truck and standing near it or leaning up against it.  I remember the officer said something like 'inside the truck or in the close vacinity of it'.  Someone might have thought it odd someone was hanging around that truck and not in the Science Fair, eh?

http://www.koinlocal6.com/content/news/topstories/story/Grand-jury-witness-shares-her-June-4-encounter/ZRn4GrYpt0a0BAxulU8rEA.cspx

Grand jury witness shares her June 4 encounter with Terri Horman
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Andrea Leckey spoke to KOIN Local 6 about Terri Horman and the grand jury investigation. (KOIN)
Andrea Leckey spoke to KOIN Local 6 about Terri Horman and the grand jury investigation. (KOIN)
A woman who spoke with Terri Horman the day Kyron disappeared shared her story with the Multnomah County grand jury last week, calling part of the encounter "odd."

On June 4, between 9:30-10 a.m., Andrea Leckey ran into Horman at the Fred Meyer along Walker Road in Beaverton, sharing an encounter that was the longest they had ever had.

During the conversation, Leckey said Terri mentioned just coming from the science fair at Skyline School, even showing her the now well-known picture of her step-son, Kyron.

"The only thing that I think was significant about that time is that she showed me a picture of Kyron next to his project," said Leckey.

"She just made it a point to show me his photo."

Leckey formerly worked as a manager at Horman's gym where they spoke to each other frequently, but always briefly, too.

At the time of their Fred Meyer encounter, Leckey said she was being polite and making chit-chat because she knew Horman's daughter was not feeling well.

"Did she seem different? Did she seem out of the ordinary? I can't say that she seemed any different to me than any other day," said Leckey.

Only six or seven hours after their meeting in the store, Kyron was initially reported missing to police.

Leckey, a mother herself who now works at a different gym location, said she has sympathy for what Kyron's parents are going through.

And despite noting that it was obvious Horman was being deceitful, Leckey said that doesn't necessarily mean she harmed Kyron in any way.

"Only (Terri) knows the truth about what happened that day," she said.

Wednesday press conference: Investigators seek witnesses on day of Kyron's disappearance.

More: Landscaper in alleged murder-for-hire plot appears before grand jury

--Toshio Suzuki contributed to this report.

I'm tuning in now to KOIN and will give a report with the highlights.  by then the link should be up.  xox

Thank you, Scandi. 

Klaas & Monkey's,

Thank-you for the article forgot about this one because it was prematurely leaked then I forgot about it.

This article is not crystal clear.  ::MonkeyEek::  Today is Friday, did DeDe go in front the GJ?


http://www.foxnewsinsider.com/2010/08/09/police-bump-up-search-for-kyron-horman/

Police Bump Up Search for Kyron Horman
Harris Faulkner 12:48 pm on August 9, 2010   

Just got off the phone with Multnomah Sheriff’s Department and they confirmed a “tip” led them to bump up the search again for 7-year-old Kyron Horman. Kinda knew that but, wanted to see if they would comment about reports that the “tip” came from family friend, DeDe Spicher. They wouldn’t tell me if that’s true. But, Spicher told a Grand Jury on Friday that she, another girlfriend and Kyron’s stepmom, Terri Horman, each bought an untraceable cell phone the day the little boy vanished. The cops wouldn’t tell me if they’re looking for those phones in the big renewed search. This case is intense. Where is that child?!

snip..

Arg! Delete my last one, Klaasend? Thank you.

:)

Done  ::MonkeyCool::

I'm glad Andrea Leckey was being truthful. Now if only DeDe and some others could do the same...

Very interesting, thank-you

 ::monkeyscissors::  At the time of their Fred Meyer encounter, Leckey said she was being polite and making chit-chat because she knew Horman's daughter was not feeling well.

I wonder if Terri brought Kiara into the store with her? Did Terri tell Andrea that Kitty was not feeling well, or could Andrea see that for herself?

I was wondering the exact same thing!

Andrea Leckey video just uploaded

A woman who spoke with Terri Horman the day Kyron disappeared shared her story with the Multnomah County grand jury last week, calling part of the encounter "odd."

On June 4, between 9:30-10 a.m., Andrea Leckey ran into Horman at the Fred Meyer along Walker Road in Beaverton, sharing an encounter that was the longest they had ever had.


Here's a link to 10 minute interview tih Andrea Lekey.

http://www.koinlocal6.com/content/mediacenter/default.aspx (http://www.koinlocal6.com/content/mediacenter/default.aspx)

That article is a good one. She was at the Freddy store between 9:30 and 10:00. Kiara wasn't well. She wasn't on the access road. So, IF she did something to Kyon, she did it right after she left the school. A bigger IF for me. 

How did she get the photo developed so quickly?  Did SM download the (Science Fair) photos at Fred Meyers grocery store?

SM took a photo of Kyron 8:30 am and 9:30 she shows Andrea the photo. Did SM have a Polaroid camera?

How did she develop the photo?  I know about Digital Camera's, so did she take the memory card to the store?

She sure can juggle.


http://www.koinlocal6.com/content/news/topstories/story/Grand-jury-witness-shares-her-encounter-with/ZRn4GrYpt0a0BAxulU8rEA.cspx

Thank you Klaas!

And this really stood out to me. 
"Did she seem different? Did she seem out of the ordinary? I can't say that she seemed any different to me than any other day," said Leckey.  ::MonkeyEek::  I would think, imo, that you wouldn't seem any different than any other day. I would think you would be acting different.

Andrea Lekey answers "Did she seem like, at that time, someone that could have just harmed their stepson?.

Answer:  No.  She certainly didn't seem that way, but I think she certainly didn't seem to be the type of woman who did all these other things that the news is saying she's done either!  So you know...only she knows the truth about what happened that day!

Here's a link to 10 minute interview tih Andrea Lekey.  This Q&A at around 3.30 marker

http://www.koinlocal6.com/content/mediacenter/default.aspx

Thank you NaNa 29. Would this be the 2nd FM store?

Thanks!  I wonder if this was the first Fred Meyer store she went to or the second one.  From the interview, it didn't sound like Kiara was with her.  She said she knew Kiara wasn't feeling well, because they had talked about it the day before. 

How does this work against Terri. To me it says she was where she was saying she was at and about the time she claims. Is it because she showed the pic of Kyron? That really is not odd..Perhaps it was more her manner that morning?

She could have shown it to her on her camera phone or right from a digital camera itself.

Hi leahlv07, and welcome!   ::MonkeyDance::

The picture shown at Fred Meyer, it could've been inside a cellphone cam, or in a digital cam... I can show people the pictures I've taken with the cam.

It would be nice to know how she showed her the picture in.

About Kiara being sick.... maybe Terri TOLD her that she was sick. This lady assumed that Kiara was sick because Terri told her. Maybe.

I bet she could tell if someone else with Terri, and if Kiara was with her, and maybe if she saw some of the stuff Terri bought that day... i.e. medicines.

Agreed. If she saw Terri between 9:30am and 10:00am, then that leaves less time in which to disappear kyron, for Terri.

hmmm well their blows my last post. How does this testimony hurt Terri? If the GJ is to bring charges then doesn't this sort of do the opposite? Unless they are trying to prove some kind of collaborative theory.
So who was with Kitty? Did she call Dede and ask if she would babysit? Or perhaps the mystery 3rd person was watching the baby?

Dang! They always leave out the important stuff!  ARGGGGGGGG

The photo was probably on her digital camera so Terri probably showed Andrea the photo ON her camera.

Westwind Farm Studio
13000 N.W. Old Germantown Road
Portland, Oregon
This Pietro Belluschi-designed house, centered on a forty-acre farm and nursery

Directions:
Twenty minutes from downtown Portland. Take Highway 30 north toward Sauvie's Island. Pass under St. John's bridge and turn left at signal that points to Germantown Road. Go 1 block and turn right (very sharp) onto Germantown Road. Go 2 miles to top of hill and cross Skyline staying on Germantown Road. At next street, Old Germantown Road, turn left. Look for mailbox with #13000 on right, enter gate at left. Please park to right in lot below house. People with disabilities are welcome to park at front door.

From Beaverton/Highway 26, take Cornell/Bethany Boulevard exit. Go straight 1 block to Bethany Boulevard. Turn right and continue towards foothills. Bethany Boulevard becomes Kaiser Road shortly after Bethany Village shopping center. Stay on Kaiser Road and cross Springville Road. Turn right onto Germantown Road, go 0.5 mile and turn right onto Old Germantown Road. After 2 miles, look for open pasture and wooden gate on right. If you pass mailbox, you have gone too far.
http://www.gardenconservancy.org/opendays/gardens.pl?ID=269&IDEvent=346&SortBy=&State=

maybe this
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=5491890

Driving directions to Yamhill, OR from portland or
35.8 mi – about 56 mins
Suggested routes
OR-99W S and OR-240 W
35.8 mi 56 mins
 
OR-47 S
43.7 mi

Monkeys

I uploaded the KATU 6 pm report on the Groundskeeper & Investigators walk through up @ skyline today.

David Stenson

Here's a link to video from KATU 8/13/10 6 pm report.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIiDe5uib6c

hmmm this all got interesting. I wonder if her side is leaking information?

Thanks!  That is a great video, informative. 

I can't ever get the video's from that site to upload! Arg it is frustrating. Klaas can you embed it on the thread?

snipped from
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8369.msg1207065#msg1207065

SM took a photo of Kyron 8:30 am and 9:30 she shows Andrea the photo

from article
http://www.koinlocal6.com/content/news/topstories/story/Grand-jury-witness-shares-her-encounter-with/ZRn4GrYpt0a0BAxulU8rEA.cspx

it doesnt take an hr or 45min to drive to the FM
is this the first FM or 2nd FM, she shows the pic

sorry about that stack didnt mean to do that, fingers faster than brain
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8369.msg1207078#msg1207078

Thank-you for the link to Andrea's interview. Thirty people were waiting to give testimony along with AL.
Thirty people in one day?  That is news.  Hat's off to Andrea!   :smt028 :smt028 :smt028 :smt028

Tracygirl - it's a java script video and I can't embed it here. I am trying to copy it and if I can I'll  upload in photobucket and post.

Kind of seems to me that we haven't seen much of either publically, after that message was found on the poster on Kyron's Wall Of Hope. 

Could the message have had every intention of being mean and cruel, directed at Kaine, and Kaine/Desiree withdrew from the public eye, as a result? 

 ::MonkeyTears::   

Good point.  What did she do from the time she left the school to meeting Andrea at FM at 9:30?

Ok, I am not sharing anymore bogus search links, lol!

What I want to know is, how is Andrea able to discuss her Grand Jury visit? I thought that it was supposed to remain legally private? Am I wrong? Please let me know. Thanks so much!

Thanks Labadore! The pictures of Skyline School that you posted the link for this AM were GREAT!!!!

Klaas,

Andrea Lecky said SM showed her the photo. I think she downloaded the photos, somewhere, and it was probably at Freddy's.
Maybe she had her Laptop and printer in the Truck.  ::MonkeyHaHa::
 

Tracygirl - uploading to photobucket right now

Grand Jury witness are allowed to discuss their testimony.

Grand Jury members, the DA, etc., cannot discuss anything. It is secret for them.

Seahorse - no, I don't think so.  I think the photos were still on her digital camera.  No need to upload them to show her the photo.  I mean I suppose she could have, and she could have had her laptop with her but unlikely.

That was funny.  ::MonkeyHaHa:: We all had to sent out E-mail retracting the bonus site. We learned to try-out the site FIRST.

Thank-you, Grey.  I wish we knew what he other 30 people said to the GJ.  This is going to nail SM.  ::MonkeyGavel::

Thank you Grey! I was not sure about the protocol for this. Now that I know THEY CAN talk, I wish the rest of them would start yacking, lol!

I wish that, too, sebastian! 

I am so sorry Seahorse! I did try it out first before sharing, I should have gotten A CLUE when I had several unknown gang bangers in my area, lol.

Here's a link to video from KATU 8/13/10 6 pm report.
from mchenry
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIiDe5uib6c

you need this
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Adobe Flash Player version 10.1
Windows, Internet Explorer

UNCHECK the free scan, it will interfer with your virus program if yours
is not McAfee, and it will give you a google toolbar if not UNCHECKED
i dont know which toolbar you use, so you may not want google

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Thank-you, Klaas!

I love the Digital camera. SM is clever, impressive how she juggled that day  ::MonkeyJustice::

I can't figure that out either  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Sebastian, it's OK, we needed something to break-up the day. I was chuckling about it because I didn't reach one person,
she is sauvy, she'll figure it out.   ::MonkeyJnBox::

Andrea Lackey interview with KOIN reporter - CLICK ON THE PICTURE BELOW:

http://www.koinlocal6.com/content/news/topstories/story/Grand-jury-witness-shares-her-encounter-with/ZRn4GrYpt0a0BAxulU8rEA.cspx (http://www.koinlocal6.com/content/news/topstories/story/Grand-jury-witness-shares-her-encounter-with/ZRn4GrYpt0a0BAxulU8rEA.cspx)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/th_92B1F461_Mediacenter-KOINLocal6.jpg) (http://s118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/?action=view&current=92B1F461_Mediacenter-KOINLocal6.mp4)

I wonder what Andrea meant when she said "And despite noticing that it was obvious Horman was being deceitful? Deceitful about what?

(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y93/casscat/phpmudZ53PM.jpg)

I looked out the window just now.  Look what was on the window.  I would like to think of it as a message of hope.  It doesn't have red eyes, but it made me think of Kyron.  I've been seeing a lot of frogs, but this is the first frog like this I've seen in a long time.

Wow! That is tooooooo cute!

Aww he is cute...and that's funny he was on your window.

I agree but then remember CA went hand in hand to the  video store with AL while poor little Caylee was in the trunk of CA's car.  I keep reminding myself of that, I believe Kyron is alive but I still remind myself of that.

I wondered the same thing!  In the video she said something between the word 'deceitful' and the part 'that doesn't necessarily mean'... but when I went back to get her whole sentence... the flash thing crashed for me.  Guess it didn't like my backing it up.  lol 

Was disappointed to see that in the text version, the media didn't quote her verbatim, they left part out.  Skipped over the middle of it.  Maybe someone can catch her whole sentence?  It's right near the end. 
   

And despite noting that it was obvious Horman was being deceitful, Leckey said that doesn't necessarily mean she harmed Kyron in any way.                       I took it to mean that because Terri was being deceitful with the police or maybe on the lie detector test, Andrea is saying that doesn't necessarily add up to Terri harming Kyron.

to me if TH did something to kyron, she didnt have very long to do whatever
the 8-8;45 window, the GK spoke on, no truck on service road

so 15min to the 1st FM, take baby out, go look for med, put baby back in car,
drive to 2nd FM that had to be 25-30min

the 9;30 to 10 window.Andrea Leckey spoke on
and i think the walker road FM was the 2nd FM she went to
so 30-40min there talking, baby in and out of truck look for med
and drive to gym
an hr at gym then home by 1-1.10
post pic at 1;20

thanks for the vid klaas,Andrea Leckey
http://s118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/?action=view&current=92B1F461_Mediacenter-KOINLocal6.mp4

That could be Norose. Ugh, what is with the media these days. Why can't they spell it out and quit leaving us guessing! I thought maybe she meant that she thought Terri may have been lying about something but that it did not mean she actually did something to Kyron??? GEEEEZZZZ! This is beyond frustrating!

I feel this way to CW. Seems like a small window of opportunity. Has it ever been confirmed AFTER 2 MONTHS, if Terri did in fact have Kiara with her that day?

You're welcome.  Yes it was a great "web" news video - so they got into more detail...and interesting on her perspective. 

Good Evening Monkeys and Guest! And Welcome to all the new monkeys!

Andrea saw Terri at the Beaverton(sp) store and my impression was that Terri didn't have Kitty with her. Andrea said she knew she wasn't feeling well from the day before. I did like when she said she was for Kyron. Course someone else may have got something different from it.

I feel bad for her the meda made it like she was one of the four that got the phones to TH, and now it is a whole different detail as to why she went before the GJ.
We are frustrated at LE for keeping us in the dark, but the media doesn't need to be swinging things to "look" like something that it isn't. When the truth is they don't know anymore than we do.
Just like the cells phone being bought on the 4th and LE would confirm that on Wednesday at presser, well they didn't do that either.

That's how I heard it. She wasn't saying that Terri was deceitful to her but that Terri has been deceitful to LE and others.

She's right that it doesn't necessarily add up to Terri's harming Kyron, but there are just so many little things that don't add up.

That's how I understood it as well

I got that impression, too! 

Then where was Kiara?  Was she in the truck like some of us were wondering?  Quien sabe?

at 1;40 AL says they talked about the baby being sick the day b4
and the baby still sick and TH getting meds for the baby
AL didnt come right out and say the baby was with TH, and the reporter
didnt ask, but it does seem implied
http://s118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/?action=view&current=92B1F461_Mediacenter-KOINLocal6.mp4

The reason I am confused about the truck & dede is because about at the half way point or a little past the halfway point in this video I will post the link below... It says DeDe was identified as the other person in this video. It makes it sound as though witness's said they saw DeDe at the school in the truck outside. It also makes it seem like there is another vehical.
  So if DeDe was outside with the baby or waiting there for Terri to bring out Kyron, it would make since for dede to take him not terri. I say this because if they planned this (and we know they did- both TERRI & DEDE ) wouldnt make since that If terri was the one who drove off with Kyron someone would notice and she needed an Alibi so she went to the store to be seen on the camera? dede prob never thought she would be drug into this.  The truck was seen where dede was working that day around 10-10-30.

(Edit to add link per Lucky7:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ye_MsDrlAUU  MuffyBee)
  

oopss
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ye_MsDrlAUU

I agree, great video, and informative! 

Thank you Klaas for uploading it!  Works better for me off your site, lol. 

Sure wish that when the media does a sit down interview, they'd give the whole text version, word for word, as well.  From start to finish.  And not just report a couple of statements from the interview.  Worse yet, IMO, is when the media reports just a snippet of a statement.  Geez.   

What I don't understand is why she drove about 16 miles to another FM. Is there nowhere else to get meds? I can't think of anything besides tylenol or Motrin or some eardrops, Surely there was somewhere closer to get it. My brain doesn't function most of the time so can someone refresh my memory, Do Terri and Kaine live closer to Skyline school or down on the other end of her travels that morning?

I kept wanted that reporter to point blank ask her if Kitty was with Terri in the store.
It didn't sound like she was......JMO......so where was Kitty, if not with Terri in store?

What about this scenerio? DeDe or someone was waiting in the truck with Kiara while Terri was inside taking the photo of Kyron.

Then maybe Kyron says to Terri he'll meet her at the back door because he's not done looking at the fair stuff.  Terri walks out the front, gets in the truck, drives around back or the side and picks up Kyron.  People see Terri leave the front without Kyron but don't see her pick Kyron up at the other exit.  Kryon thinks he has a doctors appointment.

Same here! 

That seems like a very likely scenario, Klaas!

Makes the most sense to me Klaas.

that makes perfect sense to me. Kyron imo thought he had a dr appointment. little kids will do what we say most of the time and not think twice about it.
 did you see the video I posted. Im trying to clarify the reporter DID say DeDE was identified by a witness at the school.did she make a mistake and say that?

Just wondering if the old man cutting grass on the soccer field had to unlock that chain and did he lock it back when he pulled his truck through . Does it stay locked all the time?

the only thing I can think of is that maybe she uses that particular pharmacy. Maybe that pharmacy was out so she went to another Fred meyer to fill it? I do that all the time off and on when the store I go to doesnt have what I need in stock. if it was Not a prescription I cannot see going all that way.  I know someone that works for FM near 30 yrs.. they say it is a popular store there and it is possible Kaines insurance carrier only will allow certian pharmacies to fill their meds.

I'm just trying to figure out how Kyron got out of the school.  What Terri did with Kyron after that is anyone's guess.  I'd hope that she has him stashed someplace safe but after all this time I just don't know.

at 3;31 the reporter walks past the poles, for the locked chain
that crosses the road, at 3;36 you can see a GK in the foreground mowing
and at 3;38-39, you see the steps, and a fence, if TH or whoever
was on the service road, in the short 15min window, they would have
to go forward to turn around or back out, and  IDK, but if the reporter
was there at that time window, that means the GK would have seen them,
why you ask, efficiency, after Xyrs the GK would have found the most
efficient way to cut and always done it that way
the GK has a lot of jobs to get done in a day, and the boss wants them done
that day, because the next day is another set of jobs to get done

(Edit to add link per cw618 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ye_MsDrlAUU MuffyBee

I think that's it exactly, Klaas. 

Andrea said they were talking about Kitty not feeling well and that Kitty had not been feeling well the day before "and she knew that".  How?  Did Terri tell her that the day before at the gym?

It's not clear to me one way or the other if Kitty was with Terri.

sorry the link
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ye_MsDrlAUU

That's the part that really doesn't make sense!  Why would she let this go on so long if he was just hidden?  She's not going to get away with it, so if he was kidnapped and not murdered, she had better think about taking the lesser charge.

I am with you Klaas, the only thing that comes to mind is she told Kyron to come out that end door and run down the service road to the truck.  I just don't know...but one thing I am sure of is she is the one responsible. This is going into the 11th week.....I think Kyron is no longer with us and that he will be found in a 3 mile radius of that school. Probably no farther than 30-40 ft off the road. From what i have seen of the vegetation in that area a little guy would be hard to find unless they were doing a tight grid search .

I was at one point thinking they did something to Kyron because of some articals dede read re lye ect. however those were from over a year ago, so many links to get to point A to B sometimes. :)
  Now, since we KNOW dede is involved and after all the research I have done. I think he is Alive I really do. I havnt been able to study Terri as much as DeDe. After everything I have put together I think they planned this along time ago and they may have smuggled him out of the country.
 Maybe they didnt smuggle him out but with all the connections I see it is possible. if not he is in another state. why ?I have no idea. when I read what terri & dede are posting they are trying to make it seem like kaine is framing them. they say alot of things about Kaine. They have so much hate for him. the only thing I can think of is they had an oppurtunity, they took it. maybe made someone think Kyron was being abused. I hope they find Kyron. I think it is very possible.

thats a short short time frame, the way i see it,

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8369.msg1207120#msg1207120

to me if TH did something to kyron, she didnt have very long to do whatever
the 8-8;45 window, the GK spoke on, no truck on service road

so 15min to the 1st FM, take baby out, go look for med, put baby back in car,
drive to 2nd FM that had to be 25-30min

the 9;30 to 10 window.Andrea Leckey spoke on
and i think the walker road FM was the 2nd FM she went to
so 30-40min there talking, baby in and out of truck look for med
and drive to gym
an hr at gym then home by 1-1.10
post pic at 1;20

thanks for the vid klaas,Andrea Leckey
http://s118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/?action=view&current=92B1F461_Mediacenter-KOINLocal6.mp4

That's exactly what I think happened...and no one really noticed anything unusual because some staff/students thought he had a doctors appointment and also I'm sure there was alot of commotion going on with the science fair and everyone being preoccupied with that. I think Terri purposely picked out this day because she knew things were kind of chaotic during previous science fairs as it sounds like she volunteered quite often.

Oh, no!  I suddenly thought again of that incident where a boy was brought from school to a waiting vehicle, and his stepmother (Spitser) strangled him right there.

With this being a science fair that a lot of people were attending, I would think there would be people coming and going throughout the span of time of the fair.  The way LE is talking, it doesn't seem like they've really gotten anything much to go on.  I would think that anything odd would have been seen by one or more people that morning.  To me, if I saw Terri walking away from the school with Kyron or Kyron himself walking away from the school that would be something I would notice.  Why?  Because it was early in the morning and you would expect kids to be walking into school and not leaving school.

Could Kyron have been hidden somewhere in the school for a period of time?

Oh...and the groundskeeper was cutting grass...is that someone who could have spirited Kyron to some hidey-hole?  Just saying...

I agree. she as a teacher was thinking in that mode, the perfect day. she would have a pic of him at the school.she already told the teacher about the DR appointment. she emailed the teacher too remember? she made her alibi by going to the stores.I know someone else helped. now, we know the phones were bought that day. I think that there is a person that the LE Has NO Clue period who it is yet IMO.

this is what i meant to post getting tired i guess
not this
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8369.msg1207164#msg1207164

what i meant to post
Quote from: cw618 on August 13, 2010, 11:33:26 PM
at 3;31 the reporter walks past the poles, for the locked chain
that crosses the road, at 3;36 you can see a GK in the foreground mowing
and at 3;38-39, you see the steps, and a fence, if TH or whoever
was on the service road, in the short 15min window, they would have
to go forward to turn around or back out, and  IDK, but if the reporter
was there at that time window, that means the GK would have seen them,
why you ask, efficiency, after Xyrs the GK would have found the most
efficient way to cut and always done it that way
the GK has a lot of jobs to get done in a day, and the boss wants them done
that day, because the next day is another set of jobs to get done


sorry the link
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ye_MsDrlAUU

Cw,  Andrea said she was on the road again before 10 am, Terri told LE she drove around from 10:10 til approx. 11:30. She signed in at the gym at 11:39, so she has at least 1 hr 20 mins to do whatever she had to do to be rid of Kyron. Plus she had the truck the day before so I am sure she had everthing prepared for Friday. I would like to know if she got a script or otc meds.

 ::HelloKitty::  Andrea seems like a nice person.

1.  Kitty was sick the day BEFORE and Terri hauls her all around on Friday as well.  HM HM HM.

2.  What's with the 9:12 receipt stamp then?  She's at the other FM at ?  Is there another FM closer?

3.  Andrea seems like a sweet person.  I liked her interview.

4.  I don't see why something had to be done with Kyron right away.  There's still all of that unaccounted time for both Dede and Terri.

5.  Which is it?  Kaine is gay or Kaine had an affair with a co-worker and made her pregnant.  Terri's friends better get the story consistent.

i was thinking otc, as if it was a script the doc would called it in, or she would have had
to wait awhile for it to be filled, and if it was a script from a dr the day b4, wouldnt
she have filled it then not the next day

I have read a lot of things all over the internet, about Kaine, about Kaines mom, his brother etc etc. I am not going to post it, as most of it is probably bull. There is one thing however that did stand out to me and I have NO QUALMS about posting about Kaine's brother as he is a sex offender. So, having said this, someone said that maybe Kristain came and visited with Kaine right before he went to jail. I have no idea if this is true or not, so just consider it an unsubstantiated rumor. Maybe Terri had been leading up to leaving Kaine. I am going to leave out the MFH plot right now as I still get a hinky feeling about all of that. Terri would have to know that as Kyon's step-mom she may have little rights in regards to any sort of custody. Perhaps she hid Kyron because of Kristain? We have heard VERY LITTLE from anyone about him. I wonder just how close Kaine was to him. I wonder if Kaine allowed Kristain into his home and since it is his brother, he chose to not believe that Kristian would ever do anything to hurt Kyron. We just do not know a darn thing about Kristain or Kaine's parents. Were they the type of family who lived in denial and swept the ugliness under the rug? Could Terri have seen this and worried that once she was out of the picture that Kristain may harm Kyron? I don't know, I just find it out that we barely hear a peep about a sex offender brother or the parents. JMO

Unfortunately we hear about parents that kill their kids. We also hear about the sick mothers who tried to hide the fact that their husbands or boyfriends killed their kids. I can MAYBE think that Terri harmed Kyron. DeDe and Terri harming Kyron? It just seems really far fetched. I keep going back to Desiree and the "stashed" statement.

I still have issues with Kaine's behavior after Ky went missing. It just seemed unusual that if your son went missing you would run from the media and pretty much say no comment when they approach you.  I would never be able to go to the gym.  I would be at home or searching everywhere...anywhere I could think of.

Getting Kyron out of the school.. seems to me that the quickest most easiest without him being seen getting INTO the truck, would be to have him go out the side door to the access road.  Cuz once down that steep slope to the soccer field/access road, no one inside the school would have seen him getting into the truck. 

A wrench gets thrown into that line of thinking tho, with the presence of the groundskeeper who was out there around that time, mowing the grass.  Dang it.

It has been reported that supposedly an older student (7th-8th grader) looked out the gym window and saw the truck out back.  Wonder if he saw anyone inside, or getting inside? 

Could it be that he did see something else, but LE wants another eye-witness to back up what the student may have seen?  They seem to have dismissed Tanner's version of having seen Kyron.  Do they just want eye-witness reports from the adults?     

Could Terri have gone to a specific store enroute that morning, in order to hand him over to someone else in one of the parking lots?   DeDe having gone with, in case the someone arrived while Terri ran inside the store to make a quick purchase of Kiara's meds? 

 
 

you think alot hahahaa :) & thats a good thing!
 what about Desiree? I saw the pics of her with Kyron and you see the love. Wouldnt she worry about Kaines brother too? and tony being a detective seems pretty sharp he would prob want to do somethin about that too. It is a difficult thing  when there is that type of situation in the family and I see what your saying. if thats why terri hid Kyron that is a very complicated situation.

i just thought about something
the pic of kyron, in front of his project, what if TH took the pic
the day b4, when all the parents and kids were their setting up
6-4-10, 8;30 - 8;45, TH and kyron, make a short tour,then gone
everyone thinks kyron is going to a dr appt.
and yes he could have worn the shirt again, or has several
look at how many pics there are of him wearing the shirt

Good question, Darla.  I remember someone saying something about that chain earlier, but dang it, cannot remember now what was said. 

I don't know about Oregon, but kidnapping can have a very hefty sentence, especially with child endangerment and whatever else they can find to throw at her. She might be looking at life. If it becomes a Federal case, I don't know the possible sentence there either. Basically, kidnapping does not carry a light sentence.

She might be keeping quiet in the hopes that not enough evidence can be found against her.

I would be shouting to the ends of the universe to find my kid. It was odd I agree. Terri failed her poly, Tony noticed something was wrong with ehr behavior Right Away. maybe thats why he didnt talk to media? what about Desiree she didnt either< maybe Tony told her not to yet because of the odd circumstances? it was all wierd to me in the beginning. Tony huggin Kaine makes me think Kaine is not a bad guy? nothin has proven he is. yet.

If that is the case, hiding him from Kristian, he has been in prison since June 16th. Why not bring Kyron home on June 16th ? I haven't heard anywhere that Kristian came for a visit.

We don't know what was going on that they haven't released (ransom note?), and it could be that Kaine was doing what LE and the FBI were asking him to do.

Thanks CW! 

I lean toward thinking this has more to do with a looming divorce.  Maybe she raised Ky so she was damned if she was going to lose him....or else she was trying to hurt Kaine.

IMO, they were dealing with knowing something was up with Terri.  I think Kaine was trying to give Terri an opportunity to come clean.  He may have already been told about the MFH plot and he may have been told by LE to go along with things.

Just saying we really don't know.

I hear ya Clay!  Seems it would just be easier all the way around if Terri would just up and say enuff, this is what happened.  Am guessing tho, that she/atty are waiting for charges to be brought so she can plea those charges down?  Dunno.  What would likely be something lesser?  Pleading something down, or admitting something beforehand?  Not that I care about her charges, trying to understand the wait.......... wait.......... waiting. 

IIRC the GK said he did the grass there every friday at that time, sorry cant
find vid of the GK interview, so im guessing , the reporter was there on a Friday morn
between 7;45 and 9;00 per the GK, or we wouldnt have seen the GK
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ye_MsDrlAUU

Maybe they are waiting for the big tell all book!

One thing....I don't think Ky felt like he didn't fit in or that he wasn't loved.  If the expressions on his face mirrors how he felt....he felt special... I don't think he was abused.  Or atleast until recently when he started wanting to stay with Desi.. ::MonkeyNoNo::

I think about this case WAY TOO MUCH! I cannot help it! I want Kyron home so bad! I have a million theories. Everytime I am pretty certain of one, I do a 360. Yikes!

sorry for the O/T
Klaas you have nanners

You know Terri claims she has a receipt from Fred Meyer from 9:12am but couldn't someone else have given her that receipt.  I mean couldn't she have gone to Fred Meyer after 9:12 and found a receipt in the parking lot?  I'm just saying, unless there is a security camera showing Terri at Fred Meyer at 9:12 a receipt is not proof.

I hear ya Sebastian!  And do find it odd that we haven't heard much from Kaine's parents.  Even tho they do live in WA, they are about the same length of time away as where Desiree lives in Oregon.  Also, am thinking that Kristian likely would not have been able to visit Kaine/family before he went to jail, cuz wasn't he out on bond prior to his court hearing/sentencing?.  Not sure whether or not a person out on bond can leave the state. 
 

i know you twitter people ,prob already have this, just in case
Realtime results for #kyronhorman
http://twitter.com/search?q=%23kyronhorman

Could someone do a screenshot of that video that CW posted a few post back at 3:36 min mark. I think I see a way that Terri could have brought Kyron out that end door without the GK seeing them.

klaas most big chain stores have vid at the register, and the receipt has the # of the
register, the clerk ect

This video?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ye_MsDrlAUU

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Yeah, you're right

Maybe Kyron was hidden somewhere in the school by someone other than Terri and then moved later on.

Klaas that is the video but need it one frame earlier. When you can see where the white truck is parked.The truck is parked down at the very back end of the field toward the woods. The GK changed his time of leaving til almost 9, Terri says she left at 8:45, That would have been about the time the guy was finishing up and probably loading his mower. There is a few minutes time slot that Kyron could have come out that door without the guy seeing him.

Yes (unless there's a security camera), anyone could have supplied a receipt.

Good one...

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If she left Skyline at 9am she would arrive at FM at 9:12am give or take

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Possible that the GK was pulling a Roy Kronk in the woods. I can see how it could work

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Klaas I am sorry, that is not it either, I don't know how to do a screen shot.If you will watch it from the last photo you just posted as she walks around you can catch a glimpse of the GK truck was at the backend of the field.

Hi Monkeys
Sorry I haven't been posting much but frankly about all I have is my opinion and I'm as frustrated as all of you.  It has also taken me about two days to catch up.  I'm praying that Kyron is still alive and I feel that he could very well be.  JMO but I'm not believing the worst has happened to him.  It's bad he has been gone so long but I am still hopeful.

O/t Wyks you have nanners.

I agree Darla! Besides that I don't hold anything the lawn mower guy says of much importance. It sounded like the only thing he really cared about was that he hoped that the kids didn't come out to the soccer field. I don't blame him because they can get hurt...but it sounded to me like he didn't want to contend with them and just wanted to get his job done and be on his way. I just don't think he was being that observant.

i really think in the beginning they believed this to be a kidnapping for ransom. I think that is why the person from LE was staying with them.

Unless she paid with a credit card.

I really want to believe he is alive...I just keep wondering how TH could have him hid without someone talking.  It would be very difficult to keep the plan going with LE and media keeping the pressure on.  And I really don't think TH thought the finger would be pointed at her---she seems to be surprised by it all.

And I keep remembering how I wanted Caylee to be at the mall and at mcdonalds.....And I feel sad about it all....

I really don't think she walked out the door with Kyron or waited for Kyron. It was too risky for her to do. I know I am being ignored, lol, but I think he was smuggled out. Well unless you skipped my posting earlier you understand my theory, today's theory anyway.

I'm not ignoring you trying to talk to my grandson on FB Im and post here. I don't multi task well lol

this

neither do I, lol.

That's it Cw thank you> Where that truck is parked and if he was loading the mower and whatever someone could have come down the step and been around the curve without him seeing it and he looks like he is probably around my age so he probably can't see that far. I know I can't.

This is the biggest question how did he disappear???  Magicians are good at it and usually there is some type of distraction going on to make people look the other way.  The science fair itself was a distraction because everyone was looking at the exhibits not at who was going in and out the door.  I thought the cell phones were a good indication of a ransom because they could have used a different cell phone for each call.  I wonder who let the cat out of the bag.  Maybe someone got scared their voice would be recognized.  Maybe they did make one call and threw the phone away and that's what LE is looking for.  We just know so little facts here.

I think that side of the school is where the soccer fields are at? That is where the groundskeeper was working. He had said he was hoping the kids would not come out as they normally do. If Terri spent any time at this school and she studied it and implimented a plan, then why didn't she take that into consideration? I would think she would have. Getting caught was the last thing she would have wanted.

How ever Kyron left that school it must have been a good plan because no one saw anything. In fact the plan that was thought of was good enough to elude LE so far as no one has been arrested and kyron remains unfound.

Im thinking that is a possibility. still weighs in my mind.

I know I'm probably still missing it  ::MonkeyDevil::

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Denada Dah'ling,  I wanted to thank Nana who was right 'on it', like Monkeys always are.  Ya Ya

The store can pull the receipt from the time from all checkouts. its real easy for them to do.(may take a little time but they can) Most of the stores have cameras (not all of them do) and if that one did they would have her on camera -time and receipt. that would make it easier.

Hey Kat_Gram,  I'm now thinking Kaine and Desiree have foundation to believe she had an accomplice.  I also don't think this person was in the truck at school but rather waiting by it.  Maybe that person took Kyron in his/her auto when Terri left the school and headed for the Freddies.  Wish we knew the answer to that  !!!

I never really thought about a kidnapping for ransom.  That would explain how she showed deception on 1 key question.  This scenario would be even worse....TH may not know where Ky is now.... ::MonkeyNoNo::

Thank you Klaas ...you got part of it. CW posted it a few post back. Kook where the truck is parked, he could have missed anything from way back there. What do you think?

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if gk was loading mower at the time yes/maybe, but they would have to wait at the stairs till
gk was loading then they could have been seen

if TH or her cohorts took kyron, it had to be a staight through shot

a big what IF, TH is telling the truth, she saw kyron with a male and 2 girls
and she just thought it was a chaperoned situation, and the 2 girls really
werent involved at all, the girls leave, and dude takes kyron
i know that implies kyron knew him, wonder if the LE have really looked at
delivery, ect persons
we all know it takes just a split sec of not looking, and their gone

I would really like to know if Terri drove Kyron to school the day before or anytime within a week or two. I want to know if june 4th was a "take 2" on the plan.

Does anyone have the article that talked about the supposed fight that kaine and Terri had? I think it also said something about terri not bringing the project on the 3rd as planned? Does it say she brought the project on the 4th early to set it up?

Hello Everyone...I have not posted here in awhile but I have been following...I called those throw away phones long before anyone suspected...YaY...Just kidding...What I am curious about is if Kaine has purchased pay as you go phones...In the beginning his behavior was very odd...not wanting media involved...his coldness, etc.  Knowing that this family was into "CSI" I am curious about their financial standing.  I am also curious if Kaine and Terry kept talking to one another with the throw away phones.  Kaine cheated on his pregnant wife...he is sneaky...he has only recently started to show any emotion about Kyron...had to work up to that.  How does Desiree have a feeling that Kyron is stashed....because someone is feeding that to her.  If this crime was not pure random dumb luck by some unknown perp than it was well executed.  Terri did not do it alone and she did not just trust anybody...especially some female like Dede...who she barely knew.  If Kyron was expressing his desire to go live with his mom...do you really think Kaine and Terri did not know this?  Children are pretty expressive with their true feelings...I found it "odd" that Kaine had no idea that Kyron felt this way..

Been looking at the screenshot Klaas gave.  And looking at the timeframe and the mileage between the school and the first Freddy's store.  So it took her about 12 minutes to get from the school to that first store.  And she says she has a receipt from that store at 9.12a. 

Seems Terri had to have left the school before 9a, in order to have gotten into that first store, had time to grab whatever in the store she got, been in line and checked out with a receipt by 9.12a.  Unless, as someone else pointed out, she got that receipt in another way.  Like found it, or someone else was at the store buying whatever. 

Remember, that first Freddy Meyers store is in Hillsboro.  And doesn't somebody she knows work in Hillsboro??  Can't remember who off the top of my head, just remember looking up the workplace in Hillsboro one day. 

Here's a thought.  WHAT IF Terri met up with this person who works in Hillsboro.... at that Freddy Meyer store.  ???  Maybe if only to hand Kyron off to this someone else, in the parking lot?  While she ran into that store either before or after?  Dunno.  As someone else mentions, she had plenty of time for that during that 'riding around' time too. (with Kiara and her earache).

It took about 11 minutes for Terri to drive from that Freddy Meyer store to the other one on Walker Road.  Andrea Leckey says she talked with Terri at that store between 9.30 and 10a.  But that she was on the road by 10a going somewhere else by 10a.  Must have talked with Terri closer to 9.30a then.  And if so, Terri must have driven straight to that 2nd FM store from the first, in order to be inside shopping by then. 

Darn it!!! Posted in a post!

:smt006 All

I thought that Terri didn't purchase anything * first store she hit.. Or was said that she could not find " the Meds" for Kiara at the first store ....therefore she drove to the next Fred Meyers? She stopped to chit chat with that gal, did she buy something to make appearances ? Sorry to drop in, was trying to catch up earlier. Did that gal ( witness/from the gym/FM store) ever state that Kiara was actually in the store with Terri ? 
I would think they would have surveillance cams especially in the pharmacy isles (for shoplifting/being a big box store). Here in Mich, you almost cannot purchase anything over the counter as a cold/cough/sinus/med.  They have now these sleeves with a paper coupon..You have to take the coupon to the pharmacist if you want to buy OTC meds. (( People abuse the OTC drugs now, to make street drugs or to get high)) so they are no longer on the shelves.
  :smt101

The only way is if it was very well planned...just like real life CSI junkies think.  And I believe the adults in this family were way too into CSI and WOW...so sad...

Hello Everyone...I have not posted here in awhile but I have been following...I called those throw away phones long before anyone suspected...YaY...Just kidding...What I am curious about is if Kaine has purchased pay as you go phones...In the beginning his behavior was very odd...not wanting media involved...his coldness, etc.  Knowing that this family was into "CSI" I am curious about their financial standing.  I am also curious if Kaine and Terry kept talking to one another with the throw away phones.  Kaine cheated on his pregnant wife...he is sneaky...he has only recently started to show any emotion about Kyron...had to work up to that.  How does Desiree have a feeling that Kyron is stashed....because someone is feeding that to her.  If this crime was not pure random dumb luck by some unknown perp than it was well executed.  Terri did not do it alone and she did not just trust anybody...especially some female like Dede...who she barely knew.  If Kyron was expressing his desire to go live with his mom...do you really think Kaine and Terri did not know this?  Children are pretty expressive with their true feelings...I found it "odd" that Kaine had no idea that Kyron felt this way..

Nana says you are most welcome ::MonkeyKiss:: happy to help  ::MonkeyDance::

Wykes why the need for the 2nd store? She had her alibi with the first store? Also, if the plan was to take kyron from the 2nd store, why did she bother going to the first store?

I want to know what was on that darn receipt! Did she buy a coffee or something before going to hunt down the med? I have a question, are there no stores on every corner in oregon as there are in California? I am surrounded by savemarts, one to my left, one to my right then I have a walgreens, a rite aide, a safeway, super walmart, discount grocers... If one place didn't have something I would travel less then a mile to get to the next stop! This is the part of this that makes no sense to me. Why did she travel all over? The only thing I can think of is it was a script and one pharm didn't have it in stock so she went to the other.

Furthermore, NO ONE from Kaine's or Terri's family has talked...so how can we even speculate when we do not know Terri's complete timeline.  Also, if Terri handed him off to someone...it would have to be someone she trusted completely...they knew they were committing a crime.  I am sure they had watched enough CSI to be aware of the ramifications.  Again, if this was not a random perp with extremely insane luck...it was well executed...like a mission.  And you do not partake in a mission when you don't trust your battle buddies...and to trust your battle buddies...they have to have your back...and that takes a high level of trust.

or a nice exchange of money...money tends to motivate almost equally as trust.

Some of the underground groups have this type of ability to execute a plan without a hitch. Oh gosh what is that ladies name again, I have asked before. She runs that underground group that helps hide children who are being abused. There was story about a young girl that was taken in by this group. She met them some place and off she went.

goodnite everyone, time to take my shower and rack in for the night. I have a very early wake up call tomorrow morning and a full day planned. I will see you all tomorrow evening. I pray when I log on Kyron is home and his mama is giving him lots of hugs and kisses.

Thinking about it now, IF Terri did purchase a med at one of the two Fred Meyer stores - She may have purchased/paid for it at the pharmacy counter. Therefore she would NOT have to have gone to a register up at the front. She would have been able to plop/the med into her purse and walk ..straight to the front doors... and out to the parking lot. I am sure LE  interviewed the Pharmacy Staff at both the stores/could be witnesses within those ppl.
 
I can't believe that early in the am there would be a long line at the pharmacy register. The only people that would possibly be there, would be elderly people. Because they are UP at crack of dawn .. 9 am/10 am its practically Noon to them. They may have remembered her Red Hair, but do not know that witnesses are wanted at this time .. ( due to many elderly rely on local paper or news ) seems all the breaking news is coming in at 11pm ..when they are not awake. I know many elderly ppl have followed Casey Anthony Florida. I am sure that there are elderly that are following Kyron's case.
* when I say elderly I am speaking of over 70 yrs old. They usually have first serve Doctors appointments, and go and get their meds right away from the pharm, or want to pick up their *renewal scripts first thing in the morning.
 

:smt059 Nite Nite TG

goodnight tracygirl...I hope yhe same...everyday

If she went to the pharmacy counter she would definately be on video.  There is always a camera pointed there in pharmacies in case someone tries to pass a bad script.

I am curious...is it verified that Kaine is really an engineer...I know that people have written that...but I also know that in some of these communities...you say you do one thing, but really do another...for protection.

I am just having a difficult time with Kaine's reactions as well as Terri's...why try to keep the media away when your child is missing...it seems like you would want everyone to know...to get Kyron's face out there.  This secrecy, in the beginning, just does not sit well with me.  It almost seems like Kaine did not want to draw attention to his missing son.  Does anyone else have problems with this?

Goodnight everyone, praying tomorrow is the stay Kyron comes home. God Bless you little one!

and I almost wonder if Terri's sexting was not part of some plan...it is just soooo out there.  I guess, who knows how some people think...but think about that...how odd to sext someone when the child you raised is missing...could almost be some type of diversion or set up.  I really wonder if Terri and Kaine are not in contact.  Maybe that is why she has not raised a fuss about seeing her baby daughter.  This all could have been planned and since there is not evidence...you stick to the plan...because then you can not be found guilty.  I know this seems farfetched...but to think she used some acquaintences to hatch her plans is even crazier to me...a woman knows that you can never trust another female with something so devious...women just know that.  Unless Terri and Dede have been lovers...that is the only way that I see Dede knowing anything beforehand...I don't think another woman would ever take the fall for a child murderer.

Hi,  And so what happened to Albertsons?  She stated the whole route she took acc to what I read and it was mapped out.  Did that map show her going to 2 Freddie stores? 

what happened is that we are only being given bits and pieces...we still do not have an official timeline.

Yep I agree, and if she was a frequent ' pharmacy client' of Fred Meyers, I am sure someone within the staff would remember her.  Her possibly on scripts, and or filling scripts for Kiara in the past. Since she claims she was able to " Fly" to that particular FM Store from Kyron's School. I would think that she had scripts on file. Or had been a customer to the Pharmacy at one time or another. Thinking too, does Fred Meyer's stores have those " Customer Cards" that you swipe with every purchase. ( you get a coupon/Rewards/ or money off your purchase/it documents every purchase you make within the store)  Walk up to any register even Pharmacy and the cashier says before anything " Do you have a Fred Meyers Card? or CVS or Rite Aid Card " instead of HI, How are you? GAH I hate it, those cards. They have removed Social Greetings practically.  I wonder though if she has one of those cards and possibly could have used it?  If she had her own personal Credit/Debit card, I know some stores do not make you sign if you use the credit option/If the purchase is under so many dollars. They do give you a receipt though. She says she has a receipt. I know when Casey Anthony was busted ( her Brother Lee) went through her purse and took all the receipts. He wrote down all the receipts on paper - Date/Place/Amount ( what a dumbaxx) and gave that to LE. Yet gave the original receipts to Jose Baez. So I don't know if Terri's receipt is hearsay or credible ..I am sure it is in the hands of her Atty. 

If you were innocent...the whole world would know exactly what you had done and when you had done it...IMHO...because innocence and the truth is a lot easier to maintain then a lie.

April Meyer?

I think that is the most sensible explanation I have read yet.  Reading too that LE stated in the Presser the truck had already been witnessed at these sites and they wanted spontaneous memory back up witnesses.

You make me think and I wonder if she was texting with one of the throw away cells.  Maybe she was texting him as a diversion to distract from the fact that there were cell phones purchased the day Kyron went missing.  Like giving a big tidbit like that sexting thing maybe she thought that they would look no further.  I don't get how they found out there were other cell phones unless MC knew about them and told it when he told LE she had been texting him?????????? 

Hi Atlanta_mom,  Freddies is a bit unusual tho as it is 'one stop shopping'.  You can travel thru any dept in the store and pay for everything at the check out stand.  Except scripts I believe.

At all the Freddies stores they have cameras above each cash register looking down on it.  You can see a rectangle of glass in the ceiling over the till and there is one over each till going down the row.  I sell video surveillance so have noticed this.

Kind of like Walmart?

I think they found out about the cell phones because of her friends that purchased them...but that is a good thought...I don't know...how did they even know she was sexting?  Who dropped that dime...MC?  How did Kaine find out?  Through LE or MC?  And if Kaine found out through MC...how did that conversation go down?  It just seems very planned almost scripted...well...whoever took Kyron had this script down because he is still missing and no one has a clue.

I've never been to a Walmart as there are none in my shopping area.  Probably much the same tho.  Here is some info on Freddies from Wikipedia:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Meyer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Meyer)

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" . .Fred Meyer, Inc. is a chain of hypermarkets founded in 1922 in Portland, Oregon by Fred G. Meyer. The company was one of the pioneers of one-stop shopping, eventually combining a complete grocery supermarket with a drugstore, clothing store, shoe store, fine jewelers, home decor store, home improvement center, garden center, electronics store, toy store, sporting goods store and more under one roof. . . .

. . . . Fred Meyer is sometimes known as "Freddy’s", a nickname the company was given by its customers and which is used in its advertising. For a number of years the company has used the marketing slogan What's on your list today? You'll find it at Fred Meyer! or more simply What's on your list today? in advertising".

The throw away phones don't bug me so so much, but the alleged fake names when purchasing them do. Let's just say for the sake of argument, that Terri is innocent in any wrong doing with regards to Kyrons disappearance. We have no idea what went on in the home. According to one source, Terri seemed surprised that Desiree and Tony were going to drive down immediately from Medford. So, Tony and Desiree arrive and then what? If it were me and I was in Desiree's shoes, I would be hysterical to say the least. Maybe Desiree went nuts on Terri because it seems pretty clear that Desiree has harbored ill feelings towards Terri for a while. And most importantly, Terri was allegedly the last person to see Kyron. So maybe it was a chaotic nightmare for Terri. She is getting blamed AND they (Desiree and Tony) have decided to bunk down in her home. She would be left with those around her suspecting her or at least perhaps angry at her as Kyron disappeared on her supposed watch. She has zero privacy at this time. For these possible reasons, I can see why Terri may have wanted to obtain throw away phones. She knew theirs were going to be tapped since Kyron may have been kidnapped for ransom. She may have just wanted those phones to vent to her friends about Desiree staying with them, people suspecting her, who knows. The red herring is the fake names. Why would they need fake names??????

Yes Novella, Truth does not waver, it may become embellished after time, yet it is fact from the get go.
That is the mind boggle of all of this. No one seems to be on the same page. Not even within the cast of players within Kyron's life. You can't seem to get a grasp on any of his Teachers/School Staff accounts  of the day. You have Kaine and Desiree digging up " Hearsay and the Past " and she did, she was, she she she .. of Terri. You have a guy that pops in out of Kaine's past. From High School ..all of sudden inserting himself/Kyron/Terri. Him claiming that he knows Kaine. Kaine saying OMG I have not seen nor heard from him since High School. As if this guy is of no importance to him. Yet this guy is right up in it all " Vigils/organizing/Tshirts" etc.. taking grocery's and cat food to Terri. He is taking photo's of the legal documents of the RO/Divorce papers on his Phone.  He is Texting Sexting or ?? with Terri. Then you add DeDe her friend of 7 yrs, that has clammed her mouth shut. Both Women missing without a trace - at the same hours on June 4th. DeDe was staying at the Horman house with Terri from the time Kaine left. Both playing games.  That has been said to have purchased Throw away Cell phones with others - so they do not have LE tapping the lines of communication. Terri having a hit man on Kaine/landscaper another fiasco insert - no one knows the truth on that BS. Its practically a Circus at this point .. And yet NO One is able to say for certain or even offer up true accounts of the day June 4th, 2010. ( The MOST Important DAY of Kyron's Life)   
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Everyone is claiming themselves as Victim an or screaming HELP Me? What about someone helping Kyron? All of this seems to be a debacle from the start. I feel that Kaine/DY/TY know more than they are letting on. ( LE/Attys are telling them to Hush) Yet they feel they have to offer the public something - so they continue to ramble the same statements/just in different words. All that has been released in the last few days of the White Truck, DeDe again - was held back by LE? Why .. It should have been released weeks ago! It does not implicate anyone this new released info. It could have been though a trigger to someone's fresh mind (public) - of OMG I SAW THAT .. I need to contact LE. Or could have been filled out ANON on the first questionnaire.  But NO all these ppl have lawyered up and want their own protection before they will OPEN their Mouths... While Kyron is lost, Missing and in need. I don't understand it. The adults/including his School that surrounded him, to me, are all very self absorbed. It's to the point though now this case is National and even known internationally and its making Money .. so many ppl are making money off this its not even funny. ( Media) The more time that passes/the more unknown the more interest $literally this case is creating. If Terri is so guilty ( why have they not been able to arrest her) - her character has been sliced/diced and roasted by everyone. Was once said of Casey Anthony,
( prior to the Death Penalty hearing) just because she is a liar, thief, party girl, incompetent Mother does not a murderer make her. That she is not to be judged for being a rotten Mother/liar/thief/party girl.. she is to be judged for Murder.  My guess is that they LE do not have a enough evidence *yet to implicate Terri. ( I personally think she is involved with Kyron's disappearance, that she is a trick bag and she thinks she is above the law - Like Casey) The more crap that is thrown around by the Media about Terri - the more confusion its creating/and more hearsay is being spread. None of it has to do with Kyron. It has everything to do with Terri. And the worst of it is imo - It all started with Kaine and Desiree.
( yes it was Terri failing the polys etc) but all this Hearsay started from a source and it was Kaine and Desiree. If she is/was so Damn Rotten -Why the Hell did you Allow her to Be around Your Son? Rant over * not at you Novella .. Frog Power Kyron  ::FlyingFrog::     

ITA It was either well executed or it was just random.  Have you heard of the Stacy Wilmoth case?  If not you can read about it here
http://www.theoutlookonline.com/news/story.php?story_id=127604789675353300
The part of her being lured outside to help someone bring things in bothers me because this is exactly what could have happened to Kyron especially since he had recently been told that he should listen to the adults at school.  So if an adult tells him that the principal said that someone could help him/her bring some things in from the car and would Kyron help, then maybe Kyron walked out the door to help and was quickly locked in the trunk of a car.  It could happen so fast as it did with Stacy WIlmoth.  If Terri had an accomplice the accomplice could have used this same scenario.

Why would a group like that have Kyron? There's absolutely nothing about any type of sexual abuse involving Kyron.  There have been no complaints, no charges filed, no court cases. Nothing. His uncle's victim was a teen-aged girl. And he did not have access to Kyron by law like a parent would.
Those groups take kids who have been failed by the system, when there is no other choice to protect a child. It's a very drastic, last resort. They wouldn't take a child from a stepmother with absolutely no proof whatsoever that the child was at serious risk.
And with all the publicity, he would be returned, because the group would know by now that he was NOT a victim of sexual abuse by anyone. The only person who wished to harm him was Terri herself.

Really!  Don't kidnapper's use throw away phones so they can't be traced or tracked down???  Especially if one of the kidnappers was on the inside of an inside job.

If she purchased the phone(s) on June 4 and before Desiree and Tony arrived, when, where, and why? Did she buy them before she knew Desiree was coming? The only time she had to buy them was that morning, before she knew Kyron was missing.

If the phones were purchased after Kaine moved out, why try to circumvent LE when she already know she might be under suspicion. Their discovery would only mean more problems with LE.

If the phones were purchased both on June 4 and after Kaine moved out, did Terri or her friends have stock in throwaway phones? That's a lot of phones.

The fakes names were supposedly used as a last-minute thought on a lark. Fake names and scrutiny by LE do not go together. Stupid move.

Desiree, Tony, and Kaine would not have questioned her except for her actions and her lies. She caused those problems herself.

Sebastian I read in an article .. I can't remember what news station. I know it was a Oregon News site. Was one of the person's with Terri that purchased the Throw-Away Cell phones that was quoted " It was stupid that I used a fake name" ... If I could only find that article. It did not mention Who said it, or the source that was able to quote such a comment..but I do recall reading it. ( Whether it's true or not? ) who knows. Everything is speculative at this point. Using a false name only suggests one thing, " I don't want to be traced to this phone or its activity. Which Heck - they could have traded the phones in between each other for that matter ..  just to add more confusion.   

Family develops website for Kyron
http://www.kgw.com/news/Family-develops-website-for-Kyron-100669459.html

APPARENTLY parents still believe he's alive  ::MonkeyDance:: (printable fliers in ANY language worldwide) notice the very bottom of page :) ..to me .. this is a GREAT SIGN ....

http://www.bringkyronhome.org/ 

hi btw  ::HelloKitty:: i'm in lurker mode but HAD to share this

Exactly. If she's as smart as some people claim she is, then she would've realized that the truth would be the best way out of this mess. If she truly cared for Kyron, she would do what she could to find him. It makes no sense whatsoever for her to lie unless she is guilty. I'm sure her lawyer told her that, but she's so dysfunctional she hasn't even listened to him all the time. And she has shown absolutely no concern for Kyron or Kiara in her actions.

Terri has made lying to cover up her real intentions a way of life...it's her MO.  I don't think she  understood that she'd be caught in her lies this time. She seems to have gotten away with most of them for years, and she thought she'd get away with this too. She thought she had a good plan, but she underestimated the intelligence and instincts of other people like DY, TY, and LE.

There's that old saying....where there's smoke...there's fire. Her lies about her whereabouts that morning are the smoke signal that made her a focus of the investigation.

Thanks Zippiddy!

Oh Deenie...I know you were not ranting at me...I feel the same.  I have felt that from day one...the focus has not been on Kyron but on slandering Terri with the media...and that is the thing...we have not heard from Terri...who knows what rabbit the magician is going to pull out of the hat.  Pdh3...the magician...maybe Terri does know exactly where Kyron is and just maybe there is going to be a reappearing rabbit.  We do not know what went on in that household...just seeing the circus that home has become makes me think there is far more than meets the eye and I believe we are just seeing the tip of the iceberg.  I do think that Kaine has more knowledge just because of his reactions when Kyron went missing...his reactions were just as odd as Terri's in my opinion.  Sebastion...of course, everyone is scrutinizing Terri...how could they not with what Desiree, Kaine and Tony have put out to the media.  I would like to see Kaine scrutinized a little bit more...I think that he probably has been communicating with Terri, as well...otherwise Terri would be raising a ruckus about not seeing her daughter...it is just so unnatural...the way she has just let that baby go and judging from the photos she took of her daughter, I don't think she would just let that child go...unless she had an ace in the hole.  I think Desiree is pretty much clueless and is filled with wrath and pain...as any mother would be.  The dynamic between Kaine and Desiree strikes me as strange, as well.  I have to wonder what went on...she looks at Kaine after any statement she makes as if to see if he is agreeing...I would not care what he thinks because he had hurt me...lying and cheating while I was pregnant...and now this...truly disappearing the child because of his poor choice.  As far as the fake names for the cell phones that the friends purchased...I wonder who came up with that idea...the friends or was that Terri's suggestion?  After all, why would a friend need to purchase a phone with a fake name?  Why would they even do that for someone that was under a cloud of suspicion? Why risk it?  Could be stupidity...some of those women do not look to quick in the intelligence department, but still...would friendship really be worth sacrificing the welfare of a missing child? 

Yes, Klaas, I said that yesterday, I believe that could have happened, or that someone else got one for her.

Taking the common sense approach....... Would a law abiding citizen truly concerned and upset about a missing child use a fake name when buying a cell phone for the last person known to be with the missing child.....a person under suspicion? Would that not make any intelligent person think twice about it? And on the smallest chance that the law abiding citizen had done such a thing....that citizen would quickly go to LE and tell all when it became clear that it things were not as they seemed....like, say a murder for hire or sexting. Those little red flags...and the child...who is still missing. Why not come forth with that information at that point if there is nothing to hide? Why not admit to being manipulated for the sake of finding Kyron?

These people are either stupid, or guilty of something....or both.

I keep going back to Tanner. His words. His words not the words he stated after his family talked with him.

That he said that there was a Substitute Teacher .. Kids don't make things up like that. They are simple minded in nature. Especially at that age. Could " A Women" have greeted Tanner at one point within the early stages of am in the Hall or near the class room during the Science Fair.. knowing he was Kyron's best friend.  That " A stranger" came up to Tanner and did not offer her name - yet said she was a sub at the school that day. Maybe he asked her Who are you? Or she talked to him, to ask where is Kyron ..and he never said that in his media statement. His statement known to the public is only what it is a blurb. He could have witnessed much more and LE is holding on to the Info.
That it could have been DeDe or another one of Terri's friends in Tanners recall yet he could not say it was the substitute ( He is Kyron's next door neighbor/could he have met Dede at one time or another while playing with Kyron? ) I have to believe that the word " substitute" made some mention in Tanner's mind that day. He heard it, he met someone that said they were a Substitute .. something that goes along with the label name of Substitute. I don't think he pulled it out of thin air. His account maybe messed up - there was a lot of stimulation that day within the school " People/sounds/activities/Talent show later .. I have to give Tanner some clout of him recalling a Substitute. 
His account that he saw Kyron in the Hall - he was then to go see the Electrical ? ( this was after Terri's brief walk about within the science fair?- she did not stay long) So that means that Kyron was roaming the halls and was told by someone that there was a neat electrical project ..and he should go see it .. Kyron being into Science he would have walked right to it ? Yes? He was in his sanctuary, His School .. never thinking for a moment he would be hurt or otherwise. WHO told him about this neat electrical project? That Tanner did not go with him.. Kyron mentioned it to Tanner obviously, because Tanner said it.  This school is very small and has not many hallways, I would think if there were 300 people at one time in capacity - they would have been centered/gathered in one place, at one point " Talking" after a brief walk through looking at the projects. I know from my experience within my Daughter being in Elementary that the parents would wind up in a clutch .. ignoring almost all and everything.  Just so they could talk to each other and chat up.  Even when my Daughter was in Cheer in High School. I would get so peeved off - that none of the parents who sat in the bleachers..would actually pay attention to the football games. They were too busy talking and chit chatting .. as if they were oblivious they were even at a high school football game. 
 
The Parents that went to the Science Fair that day - it's quite possible that none of them remember Kyron or any kids that day .. as unique or to stand out - that they all were in a state of Social chit chat .. me thinking of my own experience.  I would always pay attention to the kids*in my daughters class elementary* and they were like OH WOW someone actually is paying attention to us. 

And the trainer that saw Terri at the store...I wonder what was in Terri's basket?  It doesn't seem like she knew Terri all that well...so why would Terri show her pictures of Kyron that she had just taken?  Who gets their camera out of their purse to do that because I am positive the camera was not in her hand, unless Terri was at a kiosk where you can instantly develop the photos.  It would be really interesting if Terri were purchasing throw away cell phones right at Fred Meyer.  Another thing...in my dealings...the people who know about and purchase throw away cell phones do so for a reason.  They do not want anyone to be able to trace them.  And many people do not even really know about these phones, at least, not your average citizen. 

Pdh3 - so I don't stack ..

This young gal who thinks Terri is WOW - her being early 20's she may be easily swayed and be gullible enough to buy a Throw-a-Way Phone under a false name. To talk with Terri, Dede -thinking she was offering support??  I can't think of her name. She is the little blond that has been named/by association into this mess within Terri/DeDe and the GJ.

 

Why hide anything if you are under suspician, but innocent?  What does a person need to hide if they are innocent?  Why even bother with cell phones purchased under a pseudonym unless you did have something to hide?  What type of friends care more about supporting someone than finding a missing child?  WOW...Terri must be able to weave one heck of a sob story.

Boy did I screw up the last post, sorry all! My post should have been last, not in the middle.

Still good points, Sebastion.  Kyron has disappeared without a trace and I can't come to grips with Terri being intelligent and diabolical enough to pull it off, nor can I come to grips with the fact that she would just trust anyone to help her out, especially Dede.  Just seeing Dede coming out of the courtroom all smug and pompous made me wonder why on earth Terri would ever trust her.  I think Dede inserted herself after Kyron disappeared.  Now Kaine on the other hand, he is careful about what he says about Terri and Terri has said nothing about Kaine.  Terri has said nothing about her innocence.  When Kaine and Terri's relationship first started, Terri looked healthy and confident.  Not so much, anymore...this could be the normal course of marriage, but who knows. 

I agree with you Novella. When I had to buy my Virgin Mobile phone, I purchased it at Best Buy. I had a cell phone for personal use, yet I needed to have a different phone for work/temporary. I thought OK .. I will get one of those pay cell phones. OMG. I was so confused. I had to talk to the clerk for about 20 mins ..because it simply did not compute how to operate this " throw away phone" .. He told me its easy. You go online and register the phone, and you can then put money into your account online. That is what he told me. I said Ok .. hinky weird. I said so then I won't receive a paper bill or statement? he said No. It's all online. That you deposit money online in order for the phone to work. He said OR you can purchase a Virgin Mobile Pre-paid Money Card and use the Card like a credit card - and bank money into the phone, if you do not want to register the phone under your name. He said though you have to have the phone activated first in order to do that ( the phone comes with a top up card/after you charge the phone/you can use the card and bank minutes within the instructions of the phone).  He told me, then you can buy Top Up cards and add money to the phone within the phone itself/you do not have to go online.  It was if he was speaking a foreign language to me.
Link to Top Up Cards Virgin Mobile:
http://www.virginmobileusa.com/cell-phone-plans/pay-as-you-go-plans

LE KNOWS Kaine was not involved in Kyron's disappearance. DY and TY know that too. Whatever he chooses not to share with posters on an internet board is really no ones business anyway. I'm positive Kaine, DY and TY, James, Quinn and every one in their circle has been interviewed by LE. LE knows the family dynamics, and that's all that's important. The public does not have the right to know anything about innocent family members. Whoever took Kyron, and I think that person is Terri, has no excuse for harming a child. And there's no excuse for further hurting his family with salacious gossip.

And why criticize a grieving and frightened family because they don't meet some arbitrary standard of behavior in front of the media? These people led private lives, not the lives of celebrities.They are not experienced and media savvy. We see them at the worst time they have ever experienced. If they had hired a PR firm, posters would be calling for their heads.
Some of these posts are beyond being mean spirited.

In Natalee's case, Aruban LE was not doing an investigation. There was a good reason for posters to be involved to the extent that they were. No one else was helping the family find answers. That's not the case here. LE is doing an aggressive investigation, and the family seems to be confident that LE is doing their job in a competent manner. Kyron has not been abandoned by anyone. In some ways, this internet monster created by this case has overstepped it's bounds.

::MonkeyCool:: Thank You Zippi
http://www.bringkyronhome.org/
What does this mean ? Is this an innuendo? Or is it fact that Kyron no longer has his eyeglasses?

 Look for Kyron - Keep your eyes and ears open whenever you're out; watch for children who look like Kyron, and remember that his appearance may have been altered, i.e., no longer wearing glasses or wearing a different type of frame, hair may have been dyed a different color or cut to a different style, etc.  If you suspect a child might be  Kyron, call him "Kyron" and look for a reaction from the child and the adult(s) he is with.


Sorry I don't think that a kidnapper is going to take him to a Eye Doctor to get a different pair of glasses/frames.  Kyron has been said to have issues with his eyes from a very young age -that he cannot see or feel confident to see without his eyeglasses. 
Won't Someone just Tell the TRUTH for once?
Has his original glasses been found by LE? or not?   :2brickwall: :shaking:
The comment of keep this story going .. I chased online almost 5 days ago that the name searched online " Kyron Horman" had 13 million hits. MILLION Hits. His name.
It's more than likely up to 20 million by now or higher.  That is nationally/internationally hits of inquiry online. I don't think anyone is going to Stop - looking for Kyron until he is found.

Like I said in that post...why not go to the police, and admit to being manipulated by Terri, once all the info about her became known? Why hide involvement? There's a reason why there's been a lack of cooperation, and a lack of concern about a child in great peril. Selfishness and heartlessness at the very least, but more than likely it was guilt too. It's despicable in any case, because Kyron is missing, and his family is suffering.

This is hope that a beloved child is not dead. I certainly won't blame or criticize his family for having that hope. It is more than likely all they have to keep them going at this point. And maybe they have info that we don't. There is also that possibility.

Pdh3

I don't know if you were writing to Novella personally - or just adding your own thoughts to the topics within her post she created.
I don't see that Novella was posting anything but her honest opinion and her heart. 
Possibly you find it, that you see it in a different way.  Which is quite fine.
I found your post a rip towards Novella. I don't find her to be anyone indifferent, We are all here, all of us - Trying to help.  No One knows what LE knows. Not anyone. More than Likely not even Kaine nor Desiree are privy to what LE knows.
 Your opinion does matter, you so do express it. I wish though you would make a post on your own rite and not go after others. Maybe you do not see it that way. I have read your comments " on other Monkey's posts"  you can come off quite brash. No Hate, just saying ..some people post of what they know within their own personal experience. They incorporate it into their posts here for " Missing Lost Exploited Children" .. and is sensitive to many. It's not about being right or wrong. It's not about who's on first within our posts. Its about helping each other and aiding each other along this Journey to HOPEFULLY Bring Kyron Home. 
Its about offering a piece of one self no matter how you slice it, we all post from what we know within ourselves. That is why we are Monkey's.   ::MonkeyWink::
 

For Kyron
Where it be a an Angel to find me whole, or to bring me home, I am waiting .. I am waiting. To be Found..

Young and naive...easily mislead...brainwashed? If you believe what you have been told?
I personally can't fathom how you would continue to be oblivious to ALL the things that just don't compute...

http://www.katu.com/news/100086609.html
“I can tell you that I know nothing and that you guys are going down a dead end. She was my friend, and I talked to her that day as a friend and that’s all,” she said.(Chelsea Aleshire)

Could she have been the one to use fake name? I could not find any reference linking her and the fake name/cell purchase, just "feels" possible to me ::MonkeyNoNo::

http://www.katu.com/news/local/100161574.html
Additionally, one of those friends did so using a fake name, according to multiple sources on Friday.
A friend of Terri Horman said the secret phones were intended to provide some level of privacy with their conversations, which they felt were being monitored by law enforcement. She said they also wanted to use phones with numbers not known to the press.

The phones were purchased after Kyron's father, Kaine Horman, moved out of the family's home.

The friend, who is not DeDe Spicher, went to the Lloyd Center and bought a prepaid cell phone at an electronic store. The friend now says she regrets using a fake name and that it was “stupid” and “spur of the moment.”

She said the phone she bought was for herself to use and not for Terri Horman.

She insists the three of them – DeDe, Terri and her – only got the phones because the new AT&T service would allow them to make calls out of the Horman home at Shelter Nook Road.

Yes Deenie, Fred Meyer's has those customer cards you mentioned.

Fake names and all that jazz:

I find this particularly interesting:
http://www.katu.com/news/local/100161574.html

Excerpt:
What remains unclear is why two additional prepaid phones were purchased at another store in downtown Portland the next day under the same fake name used at the Lloyd Center. The friend said she knows those phones were paid for in cash but she did not make the purchase.

Wonder who bought those under the same fake name? I hope the store had surveilance.

BTW, good morning all - now going back to bed. Had to see my son off on a trip this a.m. Hopefully I can catch just a few more zzzzzzzzzzzzz's.

Just saw this posted on one of the "discussions" on TH support page on facebook...I have a feeling it will not be there long! ::MonkeyHaHa::

http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=131975590176118&topic=188

Poor Kyron, you know the little innocent boy who is missing? Did you know there is a website TO SUPPORT THIS BOY? www.bringkyronhome.org. A 7 year old boy who did nothing but go to school excited about his science project. And his sister Kiara, who isn't with her mother since she doesn't want to incriminate herself under oath, and won't fight for her. I guess these children don't matter to you. All you seem to care about is supporting a woman who is the only one, along with her friends, who is being looked at closely by law enforcement. But the rest of the world must be wrong in your book eh? Hope you at least can pass on the word that Kyron is still missing.

In looking further, this man posted the same message on ALL of their topics in their discussion boards...guess he wanted to make sure they saw it..
Great reminder ...come home Kyron

Amen!!! His post is so true, seems like Terri's supporters have forgotten who the real victim in all this is. ::MonkeyNoNo::

Good Morning Monkeys....read through a few posts, interesting information......I keep praying to get an update on twitter that he's been found....alive, of course....


Kyron has such a sweet little face...I can't see anyone being able to harm him, especially someone that raised him partially...Terri doesn't seem like a mastermind at all, but stranger things have happened, right?


I'll keep Praying for Kyron and lurking through your posts...so many great theories and thoughts, thanks!

Thanks Nana!

After reading the late night posts this is a breath of fresh air.  Terri is the focus of the investigation for a reason and that's not because she's a great person/stepmom.

Very nicely done by Kaine Horman:

http://www.kgw.com/news/Family-develops-website-for-Kyron-100669459.html

http://www.bringkyronhome.org/

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Grand jury witness shares her encounter with Terri Horman
http://www.koinlocal6.com/content/mediacenter/default.aspx

Good morning Monkeys! Sorry, still 7 pages behind.

The problem I'm having with this scenario is, why wouldn't Kyron have gone back to his classroom, which was right near the exit door, and get his backpack and coat before leaving? It was raining and cool outside.

I have to assume by this ill informed post on the Terri Horman Support facebook that this person did not watch the video where Andrea Leckey speaks.  It's a great video and very informative.  Everyone should watch it.  Blonde posted the link above or you can click on the photo below the facebook screen cap:

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Click on the photo below for the video:

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Excellent point Sassifrass!  Wonder if for some reason Kyron thought Terri grabbed his backpack and jacket?

I wondered that also about the coat and backpack, maybe Kyron did think Terri took it?

Thank you! Very, very interesting. I found it interesting that TH called out to her in the store - and that she said she only checks her into the club, she's not her "friend."

I would love to know what time the alleged doctor's appointment was for.  Did Kyron want to look at more science fair projects.  Could Terri have said to him "hurry up" we have to get to the DR?  Could Terri have suggested Kyron go ahead and look and she would meet him around the back of the school to get to his DR appointment? 

I'm remembering that Kyron's friend said that Kyron said he was going to see another exhibit - that was [electronic?]. Anybody remember that? What if Terri told Kyron that she needed to check on the baby in the truck, and to meet her at point A, at which time she'd come back in and show him this one she had seen that was electronic. I just picture Terri luring him someplace with the promise of a super cool science exhibit. Maybe she even told him there were a few outside she had seen?

That could sure be.   I know that Tracygirl thinks that perhaps he left the school in something. I have tried to figure out how a person would have gotten him in something? And all I can come up with is someone came up from behind with a rag with chloroform on it, and since that is way out there on another planet, could Terri have gotten him out there doing what I believe you suggested in Kitty's stroller? If it was in a suitcase or duffel bag I'm sure someone would have noticed.

That is really good, maybe she did tell him there were some exhibits outside.

The groundskeeper did say he saw some kids come outside to look at a garden.

The groundskeeper did say he saw some kids come outside to look at a garden.
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Well it just breaks my heart to no end that he was having the day of his life - the science fair, which he had a super cool exhibit - and Terri with her selfish motives had her own plans that would change turn things entirely upside down for him.

When asked if Kristian Horman’s child molestation conviction in Seattle, Wash., was part of the investigation in Kyron’s case in Portland, Multnomah County Sheriff’s office spokeswoman, Lt. Mary Lindstand, said, “Yes, I can say that it is part of the investigation

http://www.examiner.com/x-34328-Seattle-Headlines-Examiner~y2010m6d23-Kyron-Horman-Update-Details-emerge-about-Kyrons-uncle-charged-in-child-molestation-case

Also he was not in jail yet
But Horman's lawyer said her client was not anywhere near the Portland area that day.

"He was not in Oregon," said Donna Johnston, the family's longtime lawyer. "He was in Seattle.
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:Km7RG4y1nQoJ:www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/kyron_hormans_paternal_uncle_s.html+Kristian+Horman+where+was+he+Jue+4+2010&cd=9&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=opera
The driving distance between Seattle, WA and Portland, ORis 173 miles. The driving time would be approximately 2 hours 45 minutes if driving non-stop in good conditions

Just wondering if anyone else thinks he may know something?
Did Kyron know him enough to leave with him ?

And I could be wrong, but the groundskeeper appears to me that he wasn't to interested in kids. Wanted to get the work done, and get the heck out of there.

I bet if there's any chance he were involved in the smallest way, he's been given a lie detector test.

And I'm sure there are other exits - the focus has been on the one leading to the access road, but there had to be other exits that one could slip out of. Terri could have told Kyron just about anything. Why would he doubt her? She was the caretaker in his life.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8073.0 (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8073.0)

True, the groundskeeper doesn't look that observant to me. Just want to finish and get out.

Good Morning all,
I hope this day finds everyone happy and healthy. I keep going back to the day that KYRON disappeared. The fact that Kyron's backpack and jacket were left behind is an indication that Kyron may have been told don't worry about it, your coming back to school. The friend that saw Kyron by the door, Kyron saying he was going to see a cool electric project, etc. Kids get times mixed up... I think the times are approximate times. I still wonder was there a cool electric project? Was Kyron told to wait by door then meet outside?
 In the interview with Mrs. Lecky, it did appear as if Terri was going out of her way to talk to this woman as well as show the picture of Kyron. If I had a sick or fussy child I would be focused on getting in and out of the store, as my child would be my main concern.  Also what of Kiara's supposed doctor appt. that a.m.? 
From the screenshot of Terri's facebook it appeared she spent countless hours playing facebook games while her toddler entertained herself. Terri also had to put in countless hours of working out, eating right, and preparing with trainers for competitions in 2005, how much time did she have at that point for her son James and Kyron? Terri was not the devoted mom she is painted out to be by her supporters. Sure there are family pics of certain events, but there are also indicators showing that Terri was a bit self absorbed. I keep wracking my brain around this trying to come up with motive and as another poster stated earlier, I feel like a dog chasing my tail. Terri has placed suspicion on herself through her actions. Guilt is not easy to hide.
oh well... off topic I saw Heart last night, those ladies still got it going on, and looked phenomenal, Anne is 60, and Nancy is 56. ::HelloKitty::

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I love this picture of Kyron

I love that pic as well!  Kyron is very photogenic, and you can clearly see he has a sweet spirit. This is so frustrating to us as a group, I cannot imagine what the family members are going through. I wish the guilty party would have a moment of moral depth and come clean for the sake of this little boy.

I'm bringing this over from InSessions, I know Scandi is a local and I think one or two other posters are and wanted to see if they can verify this also.   The locals posted last night the online video is an edited version of what was shown on their 5:00 p.m. news.

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Originally Posted by Coughhimup View Post
Andrea Leckey was interviewed on KOINTV6. She said something about Terri having Baby K in the Walker Road Fred Meyer. I am trying to find a link to the video. It just aired on the news here and they said link to interview would be going up.

This is the 1st time someone has mentioned her having the Baby K. There's more. I always have a hard time with KOIN links!
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Originally Posted by PortlandMama View Post
I'm local in Portland. I watched the news on KOIN and Andrea said Terri was holding Baby K in her arms. I played it twice to make sure I heard it correctly...seems like it was edited out of what they posted on the website.
Quote:
Originally Posted by ORdad View Post
When they played it on the news at 5:00 she clearly said Terri was holding babyK in her arms. The online video does not seem to include that segment.

It is very curious that we haven't heard anything about the baby at the school or anywhere else that day, until this interview - and that mention gets removed before publishing online. I think there is something significant about whether Terri had the baby with her. Like perhaps she didn't have her at the school but did after or something. Only time will tell.

Just My Opinions.

I agree No Rose, the interviews with everyone at school only indicate they saw Terri and Kyron. No one mentions Kiara, that is something I would definitely think another child ie. Tanner would have said.  Why is that?  Where was Kiara?  Was there someone in Terri's truck watching Kiara? Hence the sighting of another party in the truck. If so, where was this other party when she went to Fred Myer? If Terri left the school between 8:45 and 9:00 a.m. arrives at the Fred Myer at 9:10, was this other party in the truck with Kyron?  How long was Terri in Fred Myer? Could this other person in the truck done the dirty deed while she was in Fred Myer? Are there any woods or abandoned properties near this Fred Myer?

I'm finding it interesting that Andrea said Terri was with Kiara. I can only go with what locals over on IS posted. Just wondered if any locals here saw that on the news as well.

Sounds reasonable to me.

Locals or not, I've seen alot of mis-hearing of videos in this case and others.  Sometimes people hear what they want to hear. 

Ah, finally. Terri was seen that morning with Kiara at the store.

Maybe they are not mentioning Kiara in news stories and press conferences because they want witnesses to mention Kiara on their own. It might be important for LE to know if Kiara was with Terri at all times or not.

I don't know, just that three locals heard it on the news.

True, and ditto for printed information. "Interpretations" of what is seen and heard can be amazingly different than the original.

Well IF IT WAS said on the news then removed from the print and video, it must be on the request of LE. 

Yes, smuggled out makes sense...possibly hidden in the school somewhere for a while.  Remember, the teacher didn't think anything of it because she thought Kyron was going to the doctor.

The doctor visit...we've been told that Terri said she made an appointment on Thursday for the next Friday.   With the teacher having a hearing problem, she might have though Terri said Friday.  OR...she might have thought next Friday was the next day.  Here in the South, we say next Friday (meaning next week) and this Friday (meaning this week). 

Maybe it really was a misunderstanding by the teacher as to "which" Friday Kyron had a doctor's appointment. 

Speculation....Kyron could have been walking down the hall..."someone" could have pulled him into a room (happens very quickly)...he could have been sedated or zapped with a stun gun...he's so small, he could have easily been put into a large back pack, a large gym bag, a gardening bag, etc...person (probably a man in this case) could have walked away with Kyron without anyone paying attention to it.

 ::HelloKitty::

1.  I think Terri set the stage June 3 by saying the baby is sick.  I bet she told the teacher that as well. 

So she hauls a sick baby around on June 4 as well.  Whatever.

2.  She has a sick baby and yet insists on talking to a person that she hardly knows and shows that person a picture of Kyron, who the woman has since once?  Why, unless it is to cement that alibi fro 9-10. 

The rest of the day doesn't matter as she's home free.  Just make it a strong alibi from 9-10

3.  I have to say that the only reason this appears to be a circus is because Kaine and Desi want to keep Kyron in the news so they answer the reporters questions.  It's the public's insatiable desire to know.

If you recall, in the beginning,people were complaining because the parents weren't in the news.  They do and then their lives become available.

The only reason we know some of these sordid details is because of the media and the media goes for what sells.

Does anyone really think if there was a story on Kyron, say everyday, of different things about him such as playing soccer or some pics of a trip to Disneyland, for instance, that people wouldn't take that remote and click to another channel?

His name would become one of the myriad of missing children no ones hears another word about.

Keeping his name out there is all about Kyron.  Kyron playing soccer doesn't sell.

I think you've hit it. She probably said he could have a couple minutes more to check out the cool electrical exhibit while she would meet him around the back or side or wherever he exited from.

 ::rhino::

Originally Posted by PortlandMama 
I'm local in Portland. I watched the news on KOIN and Andrea said Terri was holding Baby K in her arms. I played it twice to make sure I heard it correctly...seems like it was edited out of what they posted on the website.

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?p=14433365

Good post...totally agree.

Agree, it has to be intentional keeping any sightings of Kiara that day away from the viewing public. I find myself everytime there is a PC or interview yelling at the screen, please someone ask where Kiara was!

Most likely she just said "Friday". Purposely vague. If she had said "Next Friday" that would definitely have raised a question, especially if she was calling on the 3rd. The person on the other end of the line would most likely assume it was the 11th and not "tomorrow", but would probably ask to be sure. I don't think she did ask which is why I believe Terri just said "Friday."

IMO The Skyline School groundskeeper needs to hire more help this is a lot for one guy to do.

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/SkylineSchool014.jpg)

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: Not a good reference for his services, for sure!

Well if she DVR'd it to allow her to play it back, THEN she or someone else can put that video in the internet for all of us to see.  Until then, I don't believe it. 

We just can't seem to get out of the garden!

 ::MonkeyEek::

Yes, that is another heart breaker.  However, if something had to happen to him, I am glad he was having a great day rather than a lousy one.

Kyron, we are looking for you.  Hold tight, Bud!

I so agree with you.

Thanks for the good  wishes for the monkeys in your last post.

I agree with you, Klaas, I'm not going to bite into this BS  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Does anyone remember in the very beginning where it was said Terri had to leave the SF to get home to Kiara?

I don't think she walked out the main entrance with Kyron and I don't think she waited for him either.  I don't think she would risk leaving him alone to walk out because he could tell anyone what he was doing and that his step-mom was waiting.   Also, I have an eight year old son and for him to walk out a side door of school on my say so would be way out of his comfort zone.  He would be afraid he would get in trouble from a teacher or principal.  You don't just walk out of school when the school day is starting.  JMO.

I agree, Klaas.  We can all see the same thing in writing, too and come up with very different interpretations of what was said.

We all come to this with our own agendas and pasts.  Some may be victims, some may relate to one of the characters more than another.  That is what makes this such a great place. 

The truth lies somewhere in the middle.

I say "next Friday," all the time and mean not this Friday, but next Friday.  Now I am very careful to make sure I am clear because, as I grew up, I realized not everyone understands what I am trying to say.

There is always "Friday week", meaning Friday a week from now or next Friday.

I like to include the date whenever possible: Friday, the 11th.

I don't think anyone in their right mind would automatically assume you meant tomorrow if you said Next Friday and today was Thursday. I think that anyone would either ask for clarification or assume you meant the Friday after this one. Which is why imo she DIDN'T say "Next Friday".

Hat tip to Pandora 
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Did you watch the Andrea video?http://www.koinlocal6.com/content/ne...AxulU8rEA.cspx

Transcript of video PART 1:
Andrea didn't know she was 'pulled in to it' until a few days later, then she realized she saw Terri that day and that something might be relevant in regards to Kyron
Investigators contacted Andrea to ask:
If Terri had been in the gym
Wanting to verify if she had been in that day
What time? Where she (Terri) spent her time that day
If Terri had the children with her
Then investigators mentioned Skyline Elementary, which was a school she didn't know about, and it rang a bell for Andrea because she recalled Terri mentioned Skyline when they met up that day
At Fred Meyer, andrea didn't see Terri. Terri saw her and called out to Andrea to get her attention.
Andrea stopped to make small talk, just being polite and making chat with her
Talking about Kiara not feeling well, because Kiara was unwell the day before which Andrea knew (prob from a June 3rd gym visit)
Terri mentioned she was there (Freddy's) looking for medicine for her baby
"It didn't seem anything out of the ordinary - just a quick chat. I'm like, OK, have a good day."
"The only thing that was significant about that time was that she showed me a picture of Kyron next to his project. It seemed like... you know it just seemed like as we chatted about the kids and she'd just come from Kyron's school that she just made it a point to show me Kyron's photo."
Andrea states that Terri said, "I just came from his school and I was working with him on a project ..."
Andrea made a point of saying how much she missed doing that (working on projects) because her own kids are much bigger now.
Andrea says Terri responded, "yeah, it's going on for a couple of hours so I just thought I'd come ouot and get my daughter's medicine," and that was it (*)
When asked if there was anything unusual about the exchange, Andrea relates that "Most of the time when she comes into the club (gym), she's (Terri) quiet for the most part. She comes in and works out and talks to the people she's familiar with, but she's pretty quiet. Very focused, kinda coming in and dropping off her child and going to her workout. So, to me, I didn't see anything out of the ordinary because she is so quiet, not very social. So... what I would think is odd behavior is just very normal for her, if that makes sense." (*)
"It was definitely somewhere between 9:30 and 10:00 because I know that I was going to Borders right after and I was on the way to Borders before 10:00"
Reporter asks if Terri seemed at the time like someone who could have just harmed her son.
Andrea shakes her head and says, "No."
"No. She certainly didn't seemt hat way, but she also didn't seem like this woman who would do all these other things that the news is saying she's done either. So, uhm... only she knows the truth about what happened that day."
Andrea seems to really want to stress this point (understandably) "I know a lot of people are calling me her friend, but I don't know her outside of the club (gym) and I'm an employee of the club that she works out at, and ... my job is Customer Service and I just make sure that she's checked in and that everythign is going off well with her workout, and that's it."
"As a matter of fact, the day that I saw her in the store was the most conversation I've ever had with her."
Reporter asks if Terri knew her by name.
A - "yes, certainly she felt comfortable enough to stop and chat with me because I see her, you know, every day that she works out for the most part."
Reporter - "Explain what your feelings were once you'd heard what had happened?"
A - "uhm... I think i felt like a lot of people feel. Wanting to assume the best of ... her. Assume the best for Kyron. Assume that he was well; that there was somehow some accident, some mix-up, where you know, he wasn't harmed in any way or really missing. And..."
"Uhm... I wanted to believe the best, you know? Like everyone who knows that family and I still want to believe the best with Kyron."
"But, it's, it's disturbing c'uz you don't want to believe that anyone is capable of hurting a little kid like that, you know?"
Reporter - "Some people want to lean towards almost putting the blame on Terri. Where do you stand?" (Another Not a Pulitzer Winning question... so many missed opportunities!)

Andrea Video transcript - Part 2

http://www.koinlocal6.com/content/ne...AxulU8rEA.cspx

Reporter - "Some people want to lean towards almost putting the blame on Terri. Where do you stand?"
A - "I'm on Ky... I'm on the side of Kyron Horman. And, absolutely his parents - his Mom & Dad. Uhm, it's clear that they're disturbed and that they're just distraught over their son being missing."
"And... uhm... I want him to be found well, and unharmed. Uhm.... and I want his parents to have closure. I think it's obvious that his step-mother's been deceitful in other ways and that doesn't necessarily make her harmful to Kyron, but at this point it's definitely not looking good... from what I can tell. But, i definitely want Kyron to return safely to his family."
Reporter - "Did you ever meet Kyron?"
A - "I've only seen him once or twice being checked in to the club, but never really interacted with him. I probably interacted more with Kitty, because she came more often."
Reporter - "What about Grand Jury? Did you ever expect to have to come downtown?"
A - "I did. And I'm expecting more to come. Uhm... I've seen a lot go on and I think that... uhm... any testimony about where she was that day is going to be crucial, you know, in what goes on in the days & months ahead. And I expect it."
Reporter - "Were there a lot of other people called in at the same time?"
A - "Oh, so many. You know so many, and you know they're not all her friends and some of the people are just people who spoke with her for just a second, you know, the day that she was at the club, or just you know, the people who would work out with her. They're calling anyone who has had any relationship with her."
Reporter - "And it wasn't just people that saw her that day?"
A- "Not necessarily. Just people who know her. I am sure that they're trying to develop an idea of her. Uhm, her character. There were many people who I know - there were like 30 poeple there (?) that day that I was there." (Does she mean at the gym June 4th or at the Grand Jury session????)
Reporter - And you think that you're going back? (To GJ)
A - "I don't know that I'm going back yet, but I assume I am, because if I've already been called and I saw her that day and if, if it turns and the events turn against her, you know, and they start to make a really big case against her I imagine they're going to want to talk to me again about it."
Reporter - "how do you feel being able to give some information. I mean it's not a lot, but..."
A - "Uhm. I think any information is important right now. Any information. Anyone who saw her that day or saw anything that dayor knows anythign about her character whether its good or bad, I think it's important. It's all important now."
A- "What was she doing/ Did she seem different? What was she wearing? Just wanted to know if there was anything out of the ordinary. From what i could tell, not necessarily, No."
Reporter - "What was the mood?"
A - "Uhm? At the Grand Jury?" (reporter says yes and Andrea nods)
A - "The waiting was very quiet, because I think some people are still in a bit of shock about it. Everyone's just, uhm, I htink relleing about it and frustrated because it's not over and there's no closure yet. There's no, you know... uhm... finding Kyron. So everyone's just kind of like quiet and I think even afraid to talk about it a lite. It's just sad."
Reporter - "did you ever picture this happening? I mean usually you hear about this stuff in the news. never to someone you know."
A- "Oh no! I say that all that time, you know I'm from the East Coast. I moved here because it's quiet. (laughs) I moved here because it's a quiet life and uhm, it's kind of crazy. It's crazy that this is happening, but it's not happeneing to me. It's happening to them."
http://www.justicequest.net/forums/showthread.php?t=51491&page=22

Thanks Blonde - and thanks Pandora!

I did not drag a sick kid around, especially one with an earache, because I know what that feels like. 

That said, there is a group of people who I know who definitely would, especially where shopping, lunch with a friend, or the gym was involved.  That is why it is hard for me to answer questions involving things like the first two.  Those children, now grown up, are very successful, and can handle just about anything because they are self-sufficient.  Their Mom's look great for their ages, too.  The children never lacked for anything and were far from neglected.  It is just a different lifestyle than mine.  Their friends are like that, too.

I can also see someone who is proud of the hard work their son did, bursting to show a picture of him to someone, anyone, on what may have been his proudest moment this year.  Especially, as we have been "told" by someone who knew Kyron, he did most of it himself.  A project, sent home from school, is a family effort, not just a child's project.  I can see someone feeling proud of their child.

It is not one thing that points to Terri being the center of the investigation, it is all the things combined.

Thanks Blonde, I'm hoping that someone taped the news show with Andrea on it.

If you don't mind, please, I'd like to know "why" you believe the adults were way too into CSI.
I watch every CSI that comes out; original, Miami, New York and Los Angeles.  I love them because you get to try to "figure out" stuff.  It's just like trying to figure out what happened to Kyron or Natalee.

You know....PUZZLER....

not saying this pertains to anything, just some interesting reading,check post 16 or 18
forgot lost the count, about mid pg is interesting too
http://topics.oregonlive.com/tag/police%20shooting/index-5.html

Great question re: did Kaine purchase throw-away phones, too.  Wouldn't it be something if the throw-away phones were Kaine's idea in the beginning?

Doubtful because the girls said they bought the phones because their cell phone service did not work in the area where Terri lived. 

 

KOIN has loaded a WEB 10 minute interview w/Andrea Leckey from yesterday.  This is their generic media center link...In the box at the bottom of the video there is "top stories" - if you select that you will see a FRAME of Andrea Leckey - click on that & the interview comes up.

http://www.koinlocal6.com/content/mediacenter/default.aspx (http://www.koinlocal6.com/content/mediacenter/default.aspx)

I asked the poster from    In Session if she could post it on youtube so we all can see it.

Blonde 
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Quote:Originally Posted by PortlandMama
I'm local in Portland. I watched the news on KOIN and Andrea said Terri was holding Baby K in her arms. I played it twice to make sure I heard it correctly...seems like it was edited out of what they posted on the website.

Did you save this tape?
Can you put it on youtube so we can see it Thanks

Yes, I have a problem with it, too.  We "know" how important it is to get information out as quickly as possible when a child goes missing.  Immediate action is of the highest urgency.  The actions in the beginning are very questionable.

Unless...they had a SOLID reason to think this was a "for ransom" type event with a threat of not going public (which did not pan out).  In that event, I would not suspect Terri. 

I keep wondering why Terri seemed so surprised that they were looking at her. Could it be that she isn't involved?  We really don't have enough information to make any solid decisions.
Geez, they haven't even really tacked down when DeDe was/was not at work.

The fog of war scenario IMO...we're just not to the point yet of getting enought facts...such a shame, too, because of this going on for so long.

It really is NOT understandable at this point as to why Kaine wouldn't/doesn't let out more information, why he send an email to all his co-workers to not talk to the media.

Geez...they only seem to want 2 people to talk: Terri and DeDe.

MAYBE a number of people knows something that would be relevant, but have been told "not to talk".

WhereI live the only cellphone to work is a tracphone...even then there are dead areas. I am not trying to hide or trick anyone. Due to cell towers and physical terrain I can't use a regular service.

It depends on the situation.  The teacher was at her job, working in what, I understand, was gym class.  She may be hard of hearing.  That does not make her not "in her right mind," and it is an insult to this teacher if in fact that is what was said.  Her mind was on her kids, not Terri, I hope.

That said, I often needed to give a teacher paperwork to fill out before we went to the Neurologist, therapist(s), developmental pediatrician, specialist(s), when my son was Kyron's age.  They want to see not only what the parent observes, but what those in school may observe, too.  Kyron was a child with special needs from what I can see, he needed glasses in order to participate in school.  He also seemed to be "blind" without them, according to his family.

If the teacher was given paperwork to fill out, it would be difficult to mistake the doctor's appointment, but that is just what I can get from the lack of info out there.  Teachers did it to me all the time, and almost never had the paperwork filled out.  I have not heard much from LE to know what the situation is.  Did this woman get paperwork, or not?  Did Kyron have an appointment?  Was Kiara home?  What store did Terri really go to? 

What did Secret Squirrel really do that day?  Tune in tomorrow for more Secret Squirrel, same Squirrely time, Same Squirrely channel.

 ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused::

It's true...what you said earlier...we're only being given bits and pieces.  We are being structured into thinking they way they want us to think.  I don't think that's good.  We don't know at this point if Terri has told everything or not.  We do know that they point to her as being the suspect (and more often than not, I thinks she's culpable, too); however, if I were Terri and had been told to keep quiet by my husband (and I did) and then it became obvious that the finger was being pointed at me by LE (LDT questions) about a little boy going missing, I would get me the best attorney I could and I would follow his instructions (of which I feel assured the attorney would not want her or her relatives to say one word).  If Terri's guilty, that's the best advise she can get and should follow it.  If Terri's not guilty, then NO ONE is looking for Kyron in any other direction!  THAT is so frustrating!

No insult meant to the teacher. I should have clarified that I meant if she HEARD 'Next Friday" on the day before. If that's what she heard, and still assumed Terri meant the very next day, then I do think she's loopy rather unique.  ::MonkeyWink::

NO, this is the video - click on the photo to watch.  The video on the web is very informative and Pandora transcribed it but it DOES NOT say that Kiara or Kitty was in Terri's arms or with Terri.

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/th_92B1F461_Mediacenter-KOINLocal6.jpg) (http://s118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/?action=view&current=92B1F461_Mediacenter-KOINLocal6.mp4)

Thank-you

Thanks Blonde.

more interesting reading, pg 135,and at 9;10 in vid she seems relaxed about the
reporters Qs did you ever imagine, and earlier in vid Qs about the gj
i think her Pryor's will hold weight with GJ, as a truthful straight up witness

http://images.bimedia.net/documents/Jack-Collins-grand-jury-testimony.pdf
vid
http://www.koinlocal6.com/content/mediacenter/default.aspx

A stupid move...that's why the cell phones were purchased under a fake name.  One of the purchasers said that she used a fake name at the last minute and didn't know why she did it and wished she hadn't.  That's probably true.  She was probably surprised when she was asked to supply her name and just threw a fake name out there.  Stupid.

I not only watch all of those CSI shows, throw in Dexter, Bones, Criminal Minds and NCIS, and never once did I look at the shows to get ideas on how to commit a crime. Most people watch because it is entertainment.

http://photos.oregonlive.com/oregonian/2010/03/one_dead_in_officer-involved_s_10.html

For someone who moved from the East coast to find some peace and quiet, seems Andrea has had her share of drama and media attention.

Surely LE has looked into other options beyond Terri. They have probably interviewed many people (and children) at the school, in the local area, and people who often drive through the area. Weren't there photos and news reports about this in the beginning as well as references to checking out known sex offenders in the area? Sorry, I don't have a bunch of links for clarification of this info.

Terri's inconsistencies don't help with the investigation. We have no idea what info LE is holding, but it must be enough to seriously focus on Terri.

Yes, excellent point.  I've wondered many times why Kyron didn't get his backpack and coat before leaving.  I've also wondered why the teachers didn't think it odd that those items were on his desk when they thought he was gone and it was raining and cool outside.

That's why "sometimes" I just wonder if he wasn't snatched from the hallway into a room and moved later.

That's interesting...I hadn't noticed that remark before...

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

You're right. She must be looking over her shoulder by now and making notes about her activities in a diary. Things come in threes, or so it is said, and the lady must be anxious, waiting for the next thing to interrupt her peace and quiet.

and experince with the GJ from same case pg 135
http://images.bimedia.net/documents/Jack-Collins-grand-jury-testimony.pdf