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I remember why the bloggers started in on her, it was because of her chit chat on facebook the evening of the 4th, I recently read her page and was disgusted beyond words, in the middle of all the prayers came her post about don't watch the news, then she was back to fb business as usual.

My opinion is, someone that sits on their a** surfing the internet, when they have a little 7 year old missing and yet can't see what the big deal is emailing, texting, talking on the phone, or new phone they found a way to get etc has very serious mental issues at minimum!

Hi everyone! I've been lurking for a few days and wanted to join the discussion. I found this site when I did a Google search for Kyron's name. I have an almost 4 year old in glasses and seeing Kyron's adorable face just tugs at my heart. Thanks for allowing me to join!

Hi everyone! I've been lurking for a few days and wanted to join the discussion. I found this site when I did a Google search for Kyron's name. I have an almost 4 year old in glasses and seeing Kyron's adorable face just tugs at my heart. Thanks for allowing me to join!

Hi everyone! I've been lurking for a few days and wanted to join the discussion. I found this site when I did a Google search for Kyron's name. I have an almost 4 year old in glasses and seeing Kyron's adorable face just tugs at my heart. Thanks for allowing me to join!

Hi, Noodles. Welcome.

*offers Noodles a banana split*

Hi everyone! I've been lurking for a few days and wanted to join the discussion. I found this site when I did a Google search for Kyron's name. I have an almost 4 year old in glasses and seeing Kyron's adorable face just tugs at my heart. Thanks for allowing me to join!

Awe now I want a banana split! :)

*tosses Lenie a banana split*

Catch !!!

okay, what was it I am suppose to try to figure out about john kerr?  I'm ready to do that now

Is this all we are going to get out of Jason? It is like the last presser. We thought we were going to get info., but then we got 'no comment'. I understand that he has a limit on what he can say, but...

We are mostly in the other private thread... for Jason Name Redacted.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8387.1

Is this all we are going to get out of Jason? It is like the last presser. We thought we were going to get info., but then we got 'no comment'. I understand that he has a limit on what he can say, but...

Sounds like a number of people have talked to Jason this evening, like maybe the lady from the newspaper and DeDe's attorney. 

okay, what was it I am suppose to try to figure out about john kerr?  I'm ready to do that now

you were gonna check connections of kerr and dad to Name Redacted. kerr also connted to Porsch.

I can't believe he says she is involved.... yet he thinks of her as incapable of doing anything sinister.

?!?

That seems very bizarre to me too. Wouldn't hiding a child be sinister? I think so, but maybe children's advocates have a different idea of sinister?

klaas could you check your hotmail, i messed up
going to be now TIA

oh thanks I will go look

I don't see them?  I mean I see your email but I don't see the posts.

::HelloKitty::

I meant how does Kerr connect to Prosch?  I can't remember the Prosch spelling, but you know what I mean

ok back now

there is kerr names connected to prosch.. I don't know who they are and have not looked but I have the names from when I was digging up connections to prosch...

ok so you want to know if karen kerr is connected to william k Name Redacted2/jason's father...
easy, ask jason.. hahah...

let me see if I can find out if william k Name Redacted2 has a sister named karen ...

why does something think so... is there any info I can use to help find out?  the more I know the easier to find out more.

That seems very bizarre to me too. Wouldn't hiding a child be sinister? I think so, but maybe children's advocates have a different idea of sinister?

How old does one has to be to enjoy the 1977 MBA playoff championship?

Older than dirt  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Yup, a lot of words and nothing is said...

How old does one has to be to enjoy the 1977 MBA playoff championship?

Publicdata has a civil case showing three plaintiffs.  #1 is William Hector McLean Name Redacted2, #2 is Karen Kerr, and #3 is William Kent Name Redacted2 - it looks like a last will and testament probate filing.  That leads me to believe that WHM Name Redacted2 is the father of Karen and William K.  I could be wrong on that, though.   ::MonkeyWink::

Well.. Jason seems to be telling us what he wants us to know, at first anyway.  And answering some questions along the way.  Perhaps he intends to go back and answer any missed questions as he has time.   ::piggy::

Well he ignored all my questions, and after I brought the wine even! Every time I hop to that thread and he's in the rafters, he leaves. I showered, so I don't know what the problem is.  :smt089

Sounds like a number of people have talked to Jason this evening, like maybe the lady from the newspaper and DeDe's attorney.  
I would like Jason to answer my first question, sorry but seems if you offer to set the record straight, you do that.
I am confused by the 'safe house' and the July 28th why that date?
snipped>>>1.  Upfront are you planning on writing a book, if so what would it be about?  As info, I feel sure many other as well that nothing is wrong with that if you are. up to you?

ok back now

there is kerr names connected to prosch.. I don't know who they are and have not looked but I have the names from when I was digging up connections to prosch...

ok so you want to know if karen kerr is connected to william k Name Redacted2/jason's father...
easy, ask jason.. hahah...

let me see if I can find out if william k Name Redacted2 has a sister named karen ...

why does something think so... is there any info I can use to help find out?  the more I know the easier to find out more.

He answered, he's 41.

So, not the person in the legal papers before. Maybe it was his father, uncle?

He must've been 8 at the 1977 MBA thing.

Could be.

He says he is not married and has no kids. He enjoyed the 1977 MBA playoffs, so he must be (as per wyks) late 30s/early 40s.

Someone who stays single that old... umm... it's not you, hon.

:)

Seriously though, I suppose someone 40ish could as a child remember it.

Edited to add:  Actually someone 40 would have been Kyron's age and could have remembered it if it was a big deal in their family.

He says he is not married and has no kids. He enjoyed the 1977 MBA playoffs, so he must be (as per wyks) late 30s/early 40s.

Someone who stays single that old... umm... it's not you, hon.

:)

Were the posters on Oregonliveand news outlets etc, facebook,  already accusing her on the  evening of June 4 or the morning of June 5th? 

If not..I think she she has issues of paranoia due to guilt.

 

By all appearances LE assumed this was a kidnapping, LE staked out in home, FBI called immed., all fam members staying together or so it seems to me.  Wasn't it mentioned somewhere by TH or KH that LE wanted them to go on about their day as normal?  Maybe that is the reason for posting on FB and going to the gym and for not speaking out sooner.  I agree all of that looked bad but if that's what LE wanted you to do wouldn't you do it?  Just can't wrap my head around TH and DDS ending Kyron's life.  I'm gonna hold on to the belief that he is stashed for safety against whatever TH believed to be done or could be done to Kyron.  Maybe it was only in TH's head but I just hoping for the best outcome that could be.

Isn't it funny he even mentions DDS may just have turned to another woman after him?  I read that to my hubby and he said what JW said could be taken two different ways...A.  I ruined her so good she'll never be able to love another man like she does me or,  B.  She's so turned off to men now she'll only date women.  lol!  lol!

Hi Jason ... me again.

Is William Kent Name Redacted2 a relative?  Does/Did he have any connection to "Friends of Pimpollo" or any of the children's ministries that you have affliliation?

Thanks

Janet

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UNITED STATES ATTORNEY'S OFFICE

District of Oregon

PRESS ROOM
 
09/21/2009
 
Portland Businessman Sentenced to Four Years in Federal Prison in Child Pornography Case

Portland, Ore. – A Portland businessman was sentenced to prison this morning in federal court following his plea of guilty to possessing child pornography.  William Kent Name Redacted2, 67, was sentenced by Senior U.S. District Judge Garr M. King to four years in prison followed by a ten-year term of supervised release, and was fined $12,500.  The fine was ordered remitted to the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children in Alexandria, Virginia.  Name Redacted2, who has been out of custody pending sentencing, must report to begin serving his sentence on January 21, 2010.

The charge against Name Redacted2 arose from a nationwide undercover investigation conducted by the U.S. Department of Homeland Security, Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE), which focused on commercial Internet web sites that offered images of child pornography to paid subscribers.  The investigation revealed that Name Redacted2 paid for subscription access to at least one commercial child pornography web site.  Name Redacted2 eventually admitted to paying for subscription access to commercial child pornography web sites, and to downloading images and videos of child pornography.  Child pornography was found on Name Redacted2’s home computer, an external hard drive at his residence, and a laptop computer he used at work.

Name Redacted2 is the founder and president of Graphic Sciences, Inc. (“GSI”), which, according to sentencing materials he filed, produces environmentally friendly inks and coatings for the flexographic printing industry.  GSI employs approximately 70 full- and part-time employees in offices in a number of states and Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada.

In imposing the sentence, Judge King balanced Name Redacted2’s background and lack of criminal history against what he described as the “evils” of child pornography.  At the sentencing hearing, Name Redacted2 acknowledged that child pornography is “terrible stuff,” and expressed remorse for his conduct

This case was brought as part of Project Safe Childhood, a nationwide initiative to combat the growing epidemic of child sexual exploitation and abuse launched in May 2006 by the Department of Justice.  Led by United States Attorneys’ Offices and the Criminal Division's Child Exploitation and Obscenity Section (CEOS), Project Safe Childhood marshals federal, state and local resources to better locate, apprehend and prosecute individuals who exploit children via the Internet, as well as to identify and rescue victims.  For more information about Project Safe Childhood, please visit www.projectsafechildhood.gov.

This case was investigated by Immigration and Customs Enforcement, and was prosecuted by Assistant U. S. Attorney Gary Sussman, Project Safe Childhood Coordinator for the District of Oregon U.S. Attorney’s Office.

http://www.justice.gov/usao/or/PressReleases/2009/20090921_Wishart.html


Jason Name Redacted

Embassy Enterprises

Giving Back
 
Embassy Enterprises was founded in June 1993 by Jason Name Redacted. Mr. Name Redacted is a child advocate who has been a volunteer with the Citizen Review Board of Multnomah County for 10 years in November 2008. Currently he is a 6 time Oregon Supreme Court Appointee (Citizen Review Board) and became the youngest male in Oregon history to be elected to serve as a Judicial Advisor with his July 2006 election to the State Advisory Council. In his capacity as a Citizen Review Board Member, Mr. Name Redacted provides judicial oversight to the cases of children placed in state custody. Through this process, he ensures that each child is safe, healthy and has a permanent place to call home.

n 1994, Mr. Name Redacted started sponsoring children through the Christian Children’s Fund out of Richmond, Virginia. In 2002, he was inducted into the “Friends of Children" Society from the accumulated total of gifts to CCF over the years. This is a Fortune 500 charitable organization with a 92% contribution to child efficiency rate.

In 2003, Mr. Name Redacted began sponsoring orphans in Mexico through the “Friends of Pimpollo” child outreach organization based in Salem, Oregon and headed by Mr. John Kerr. This is not only a financial assistance program but a hands-on program as well. Twice a year, “Friends of Pimpollo” sends teams of volunteers down into the poorest parts of Mexico and completes a construction project to benefit the children of Pimpollo.

http://www.embassyenterprises.biz/giving.html

I'm 43 and I remember Match Game '77.  The old game show with 6 celebs and 2 contestants who try to match funny logical answer.  Was on in the afternoon following soaps I believe.  Possible he's just the same age as me or a couple years older and would remember the playoffs.  Harlem Globe Trotters were super popular then and I recall that.  You find it hinky he's still single too?  Wait don't get offended anyone!  Let me say he seems on the outside to be a catch so it's unusual he's single.  That sound better?  I must admit, now you can boo hiss me, I tend to get a little nervous when I find out a single, approaching middle age man is somewhat consumed with childrens interests.  It's just me and I am sure he's done nothing but wonderful, charitable things for kids.  Like I said, it's just the overprotective Mom in me.  Radar always on!  This is all MOO and definately not to slander anyone and I do believe he's hinted to the very thing I honed in on.  JW would understand my concerns.  If I needed help and he was to offer I would not turn it down.

I'm 43 and I remember Match Game '77.  The old game show with 6 celebs and 2 contestants who try to match funny logical answer.  Was on in the afternoon following soaps I believe.  Possible he's just the same age as me or a couple years older and would remember the playoffs.  Harlem Globe Trotters were super popular then and I recall that.  You find it hinky he's still single too?  Wait don't get offended anyone!  Let me say he seems on the outside to be a catch so it's unusual he's single.  That sound better?  I must admit, now you can boo hiss me, I tend to get a little nervous when I find out a single, approaching middle age man is somewhat consumed with childrens interests.  It's just me and I am sure he's done nothing but wonderful, charitable things for kids.  Like I said, it's just the overprotective Mom in me.  Radar always on!  This is all MOO and definately not to slander anyone and I do believe he's hinted to the very thing I honed in on.  JW would understand my concerns.  If I needed help and he was to offer I would not turn it down.

I have yet to receive a response from Jason to my following inquiry.  If true ... it may not have anything to do with the Kyron Horman case but ... it is disturbing nevertheless.

Janet

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Well, maybe I'm missing something but I expected more direct answers to questions asked.  In a nutshell, I'm disappointed.

Some are asking why Jason is single @ 41.  Wonder if he has ever been married, perhaps when he was much younger?

What could be more sinister than secreting away an innocent child or having any part or knowledge thereof and not coming forward with it.
If any of this is true, - if DeDe is involved - if, if, if?

I followed the Jonesr posts all the way to the bitter end (and argued along the way). I got a sick feeling in the pit of my stomach with the whole thing, but it was like a train wreck that I couldn't look away from. I'm starting to get the same feeling with Jason Name Redacted. I think there is something 'offish'.

OTH, I guess we are all over TH for keeping her mouth shut, but then when someone pokes their head out and does talk, they get the same treatment. I just find it odd that someone that has had nothing to do with her in a year felt the need to involve himself in such a manner...going to the press, instead of just sticking to le.

 ::MonkeyEek::

Hi can ... I responded to your post in the Jason thread.

Good Night Monkeys

Janet
10:10 PM PT

Video #4 is up.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQFR5KhqXxE&playnext=1&videos=vqZs4N4W0bY&feature=sub

I followed the Jonesr posts all the way to the bitter end (and argued along the way). I got a sick feeling in the pit of my stomach with the whole thing, but it was like a train wreck that I couldn't look away from. I'm starting to get the same feeling with Jason Name Redacted. I think there is something 'offish'.

OTH, I guess we are all over TH for keeping her mouth shut, but then when someone pokes their head out and does talk, they get the same treatment. I just find it odd that someone that has had nothing to do with her in a year felt the need to involve himself in such a manner...going to the press, instead of just sticking to le.

 ::MonkeyEek::

It was very nice, though self-serving, of him to come and express his thoughts. I would guess he's very nervous and, like Heather, he's afraid of all the harm that "fame" can cast upon him and his business.

So, it's understandable the redundancy of his answers and why he carefully selected the questions to answer.

Now the question is, what are those two bits of information he passed on to the police last week.

Are they more substantial than what he offered us tonight?

Gotta go. Niters!

And if DeDe is such a wonderful soul as he suggests and if he thinks so highly of her and can't fathom she would ever harm a child etc. etc. why didn't he pick up the phone and offer her support. 

Why does he think his "two tips" are valuable?

Guess I just don't get it.

I found a guy that was posting under the name of Slaphappypappy- a body building site.
which led me to this article: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2133230/posts

If you followed it to the end, can you tell us what was posted at the end that got the thread pulled? Was something posted that could compromise the case?

Thanks.

Did you read his lastest post? IMO sounds a little bitter (or hurt) to me.  Just saying...

I'm 43 and I remember Match Game '77.  The old game show with 6 celebs and 2 contestants who try to match funny logical answer.  Was on in the afternoon following soaps I believe.  Possible he's just the same age as me or a couple years older and would remember the playoffs.  Harlem Globe Trotters were super popular then and I recall that.  You find it hinky he's still single too?  Wait don't get offended anyone!  Let me say he seems on the outside to be a catch so it's unusual he's single.  That sound better?  I must admit, now you can boo hiss me, I tend to get a little nervous when I find out a single, approaching middle age man is somewhat consumed with childrens interests.  It's just me and I am sure he's done nothing but wonderful, charitable things for kids.  Like I said, it's just the overprotective Mom in me.  Radar always on!  This is all MOO and definately not to slander anyone and I do believe he's hinted to the very thing I honed in on.  JW would understand my concerns.  If I needed help and he was to offer I would not turn it down.

If you followed it to the end, can you tell us what was posted at the end that got the thread pulled? Was something posted that could compromise the case?

Thanks.

Some of the people at GLP told Trinity the information might cause problems with an ongoing criminal investigation, so he pulled the thread.  I don't believe it was one thing in particular. 

One thing that was very interesting was that the person called scooby (who we thought might be DeDe) went back and edited many of her posts, deleting a lot of information, before the thread was pulled.  Maybe she felt like she had revealed too much.

this is her husband with pimpollo

John Raldeau Kerr  
(Age 68)
Birth Date: 09/27/1941

Associated Names:
J Kerr
John R Kerr
Jrjohn R Kerr

Possible Employment / Business Associations:

Friends Of Pimpollo  

found by Deenie:

which led me to hunt a bit also ....

My brother is a former cop. Retired after an injury on the job. Was in some very important posts.

Trust me, it’s worse than you think.

13 posted on Sunday, November 16, 2008 6:06:10 PM by SlapHappyPappy
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2133230/posts

.......so then looked for any info with a Name Redacted/Name Redacted2 being a "cop"

If you would like to be involved in the next RAD or RAD KIDS CLass, contact Det, Fenn, Sergeant Smith, Or Sgt. Name Redacted2 at the Granby Police department
http://www.granbypdblog.org/2008/10/

Not sure if connected - still looking around  ::MonkeyEek::

OK, almost the end (sorry, that was a bad choice of words). I woke up and read his responses regarding his wife (I was the one asking if I could post the article regarding her). I only had a couple pages left and it got removed before I caught up. People were really getting disturbing, commenting on the possibility that he was guilty of killing her. Someone else felt as though another poster had threatened her, physically, so it was just more than the mods were going to tolerate IMO. I could be wrong and those last few pages could have had something crazy, but I can't be certain, one way or the other.

Video #4 is up.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQFR5KhqXxE&playnext=1&videos=vqZs4N4W0bY&feature=sub

I found a guy that was posting under the name of Slaphappypappy- a body building site. 
which led me to this article: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2133230/posts
( I do not understand the comments ) It shows replies to posts -yet not the original post. Unless you need to be on Internet Explorer?
Go to the link and see that the article was written by Maxine Bernstein
Canby(Oregon) cop bought steroids on the job, FBI says
The Oregonian ^ | Saturday November 15, 2008, 9:20 PM | by Maxine Bernstein

Scroll down to the comments- right above/under the comment with the Blue Waving flag is a comments written to Slaphappypappy. I have no clue where his posts are/that ppl responded to him.
Snip from the article: The article is about illegal activity and Steroid use Oregon -written 2008
Canby police had received numerous complaints about Deason and his alleged steroid use as early as 2001. Deason's two former wives also filed multiple domestic violence complaints against Deason with Canby police or the Clackamas County Sheriff's Office between 2001 and 2005. He was not charged with domestic abuse, but police directed Deason to get anger management counseling.

Deason's second wife, now Andrea Lyons, told the FBI she suspected Deason was using steroids when they were dating. She increasingly feared his mood swings, violent temper and his size. In 2001, she found syringes and small plastic vials of liquid in his gym bag, along with a handwritten list of steroids and their costs. She said when she asked Deason about it, he "blew it off" and told her to throw out the paper. She kept it and later turned it over to the FBI.

thanks.  I wish the author would have put text up explaining photo locations.  I don't get the choice of songs, I've heard that song many times and like it, but doesn't seem to fit.

Video #4 is up.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQFR5KhqXxE&playnext=1&videos=vqZs4N4W0bY&feature=sub

Deenie...good work...thank you.

found by Deenie:

which led me to hunt a bit also ....

My brother is a former cop. Retired after an injury on the job. Was in some very important posts.

Trust me, it’s worse than you think.

13 posted on Sunday, November 16, 2008 6:06:10 PM by SlapHappyPappy
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2133230/posts

.......so then looked for any info with a Name Redacted/Name Redacted2 being a "cop"

If you would like to be involved in the next RAD or RAD KIDS CLass, contact Det, Fenn, Sergeant Smith, Or Sgt. Name Redacted2 at the Granby Police department
http://www.granbypdblog.org/2008/10/

Not sure if connected - still looking around  ::MonkeyEek::

Puzzler why I don't think it's Jason, because I read through the posts - of this person.
http://bodyspace.bodybuilding.com/SlapHappyPappy/
He states in 2003 he just turned 40 - feeling ill and was not healthy. He goes on to say that he was trying to commit to a healthier lifestyle and stop all his ugly habits ...  and he doesn't offer up any comments of employment/his pride of anything within his " work" or other .. he does though state over and over he is " single" and not finding a woman .. that he has interest in to date or have a relationship with.  Sounds to me that he is " Just an Ave Guy" why he was banned??? I have no clue. Never saw anything within his posts that would create a Ban.

As info wouldn't read too much about the music he/she is picking, tells me they aren't real experienced making and posting videos, or doesn't have a music library or doesn't know how to insert the music into the video before publishing.  They are using the music you can add to your video directly from youtube.
I make a lot of videos and my laptop crashed so am using my mom's and haven't added my music on to her laptop.

Incoming starting at Square ( whatever square is at this point)
source: http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/07/horman_family_answers_question.html
Was Kaine working from home the day Kyron went missing? If so, when did Terri get home from the school? "No, I was in the office that day until about 1:45 and arrived back home a little after 2 pm. Terri was already in the house, on her laptop, when I arrived. I kissed Kiara, grabbed some food, and worked from my home office until about 3:30 at which time I put shoes on Kiara and we started walking down toward the bus stop."

When is the last time Kaine saw Kyron? "I last saw him at about 7:45 am.  He was coming back to the house after feeding our cat (Bootsie) and I was heading out to the car to head into the office. I walked over to him, told him I was extremely proud of him for the effort he put into his red-eyed tree frog project, and for him to have a great and fun day at the science fair. We talked about maybe going for a special treat and playing the Wii after school, and then I said 'I love you.' He said 'I love you too, Dad,' at which point we hugged, and then he went into the house as I got into the car and left. While I have not seen him since, that moment in time is still etched in my mind as if it just happened and is a constant reminder of the joy of having him as a son."
** the I love You Dad - reminds me of the cryptic message on Kyron's wall. Not implying Kaine wrote the message.
* Kaine say's he last saw Kyron at 7:45 am ( Kyron was up and around, had to feed the cat, get ready for school) Kaine's answer to the question, he is speaking of the last time he saw Kyron. Notice he does not mention Terri at all. He does not mention that Terri is taking Kyron to School. Was it that Terri and Kaine were in a Riff? Why I ask is because he does not mention in his 2nd statement .. that he and Terri spoke. He states that she was online. He grabbed Kiara and went to the Bus stop. And it was said that she was lagging and not wanting to go to the bus stop. That Kaine took it upon himself to grab Kiara and walk to the bus stop. (( Did Kaine have instant animosity to find Terri online when he arrived home from work?)) That he just left well enough alone. She is online. Not to bother to strike up a conversation?
Terri's quoted email: http://www.katu.com/news/local/100323934.html
“I said I was going to look at other exhibits - how do you mess that up? His coat and backpack were still at school. I left the school at 9 and he was seen with a man ‘chaperone’ and 2 girls after I left. There were no men on the chaperone list. That and it was highly chaotic - had to been 300 people running around - no coordination ...” "I didn't just drop him off, I spent time with him, took pictures and he was in safe hands I thought as I watched him walk down the hall. “Kids saw him after I left. Teacher put him as absent at 10am. Someplace between 9-10 is when we think it happened. “I have a receipt showing I was checking out at Fred Meyer 7 miles away at 9:12am. I went to another FM looking for meds for Kitty they didn't have at the first FM. Then I was trying to get Kitty to sleep in the truck for a few minutes, but no go, so off to the gym at 11:20. Out at 12:20. Home at 12:45. Kaine home at 2. Bus at 3:30. That was my day - they keep asking me. Now on my 5th interview with them ..."
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All her words in the above email is gibberish and fillers - what is the truth though in her words? and why did she profess her day into increments and offering ( sideshow comments) to whoever received this email - June 5th.  Must have been someone that Terri felt was going to offer her sympathy and say no matter what I stand with you, you do no wrong yadda... Or someone with enough clout and substance that would work to her favor down the road. If they were questioned. Would not be just a random person that she emailed. She chose to email this person for a reason - On June 5th.  she comments that Kyron was marked absent at 10 AM ~ Really? Why does she state this in the email ? does she know this as fact? or is she telling this person she is writing to .. fluffy tales. I want to know why this person who she wrote to would even know what to do with this information. If your friend blasted you this email, you unknowing, them telling you their son is reported missing to the Police ..what would make of it? would you wonder why you were chosen ? I would :shaking:
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Terri leaving at 8: ?? am. Kyron was up and around at 7:45 am. Was outside feeding the Cat. Kiara is sitting in the middle of this ( Mom using her as alibi/which is wrong) Kiara what time was she awoken? To take Kyron to school. That she was taken from Bed, to ?? breakfast? Bottle? * does Kiara still take a bottle ? Dressed and then stuck into her car seat. Was obviously before 8:30 am. If Kiara was so sick ( earache) ( I think it was ear tugging/teething -that Terri embellished earache/was though teething to gain sympathy/or use for alibi/biding time running around looking for Earache Meds) Terri says she left the school at 9am? Did she take Kiara in the school with her? Or did she leave her in the Truck sleeping? Seems that no one has said within the school staff that Kiara was with Terri that morning. All of Kyron's classmates knew Kiara. She brought her to Kyron's class from birth. Would not someone recall Kiara inside the school? " The Kids she so says Witnessed Kyron in the Hall"  It boggles my mind, that a child the age of Kiara, can be taken out of sleep - put into a car seat and be dragged around in and out?..before the Gym would she not need a diaper change?From the comment of receipt at 9:12, the meeting up with Andrea at the 2nd FM prior to 10am/Andrea at Borders by 10 am. That leaves open gap of time - from 9:45 -11:20.
11:20 Kiara Dropped at Gym day care, and land home at almost 1pm. To still be awake when Kaine came home at 2pm. That Kaine states he came in, Kissed Kiara, ...then when 3:30 came, he put Kiara's shoes on, then walked to the Bus stop.  Is Kiara made of Iron? That she never sleeps? From the time she woke up, to still be up/awake for Dad to walk to the bus stop.. That is close to 8 hours! no nap? Terri said she never slept. I think that Kiara was left in the truck asleep/while Terri waltzed in and out of Kyron's school and possibly left asleep when she entered the first FM. That is why she parked her truck so far away from the store / And or someone met up with her * first FM and watched Kiara sleep in the Truck
Terri's accounts in my mind, do not add up. To Add: 3:45 its found that Kyron is MISSING. There is something very WRONG within the information NOT said within Kyron's school. That was the last place he was at. It is as crucial as Terri being the last person to have been with him. I know from personal experience a elementary school once put into the spotlight of neglect " A student" they all clam up and stand as a united front - lips zipped. Starts with if notified (High Powers/Dept of Edu) Principle/Staff and Teachers. Liability is not within their vocabulary within a situation like this. The Risk is too High. One student ?? Oh well. We have Thousands of Students/Parents we must represent/protect/reduce panic .. there statement of being advantageous to this situation .. I do not feel is enough for the public. Especially when the fault is directed to the Family of Kyron from the jump - and the School seems to be ambiguous ( which I feel is very unfair to the current/new students of Skyline and the Parents)

 

in that camper on the video (on the window it says Google)

Does anyone still up know how to get access the Kyron Horman archives? There are some old posts I wanted to read. If anyone can help me thanks.

Nana back yourself out of this cage. Go to the Main page of SM forums. Look for Kyron Horman within the links - and click on it. It will bring up all that has been posted under his name. 

I have had to do this two or three times myself ( where are Kyron's Old posts?) and I have been a monkey for awhile  ::MonkeyRoll:: its all because of the new upgrade .. its different. But you will find all  the posts - if you go to the main page of forums.  Just Click on Kyron Horman

 ::FlyingFrog::

I can't believe he says she is involved.... yet he thinks of her as incapable of doing anything sinister.

?!?

Thanks, I looked at it, but couldn't make it out.

It didn't make much sense to me...did it to you?

Hi Itary and Monkey's,  ::HelloKitty::

I read J.W. comments (his thread) he seems to have a good moral compass.  I am quoting JW. 

"I have learned that she is waiting for the DA to offer her immunity to testify about what she knows and her involvement"

Why would anyone need immunity if they were in the clear?  This is chilling to hear she is bargaining for immunity.

Bruce McCain said DDS attorney is "negotating" to get her into the GJ, that is also chilling.  Why?

Hi everyone! I've been lurking for a few days and wanted to join the discussion. I found this site when I did a Google search for Kyron's name. I have an almost 4 year old in glasses and seeing Kyron's adorable face just tugs at my heart. Thanks for allowing me to join!

Awe now I want a banana split! :)

Howdy from Texas, Noodles!   ::CowboySmiley::

Puzzler why I don't think it's Jason, because I read through the posts - of this person.
http://bodyspace.bodybuilding.com/SlapHappyPappy/
He states in 2003 he just turned 40 - feeling ill and was not healthy. He goes on to say that he was trying to commit to a healthier lifestyle and stop all his ugly habits ...  and he doesn't offer up any comments of employment/his pride of anything within his " work" or other .. he does though state over and over he is " single" and not finding a woman .. that he has interest in to date or have a relationship with.  Sounds to me that he is " Just an Ave Guy" why he was banned??? I have no clue. Never saw anything within his posts that would create a Ban.

Seahorse
Thank you for posting the transcripts from Issues JVM - 
Copied/Pasted:

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Let me say this. Yes, neither of these women have been named suspects or persons of interest and they`re always welcome on our show. We reach out to them every time to try to get their side of the story. We do want to be fair.

I have to read you this. This is from the local CBS station. This is another bombshell. A woman who spoke with Terri the day that Kyron disappeared -- she ran into her the same day between 9:30 and 10:00 a.m. -- this casual friend ran into the stepmother Terri Horman at a Fred Meyer department store which is one of these supermarkets she said she went to.

She said it was a bizarre encounter because during the conversation Terri -- you`re looking at her there, the red head -- was very, very talkative and insisted on pulling out a photo that she had just taken of little Kyron at the science fair at the school. You know, showing her this picture.

And the woman said -- you know, that`s the picture she insisted on showing the woman -- and the woman is like, I don`t know her that well, why is she whipping out this picture and showing me this photo?

Bruce McCain, this was before little Kyron was even known to be missing. There was -- there was no missing alert at this time. What do you make of that encounter at the supermarket?

BRUCE MCCAIN, FORMER CAPT, MULTNOMAH COUNTY SHERIFF`S OFFICE: Well, Jane, just like the photograph of the little frog exhibit, this does appear to be Terri Horman`s very carefully designed plan to establish that she was there, she left Kyron at the school and that he was in fact there.

You`re absolutely right. There was a six-hour gap from the time that she showed that lady the photograph at Fred Meyer to the time that Kyron was reported missing. So once again, she seems to be going out of her way to prove to anybody and everybody that she was at a Fred Meyer store at a certain time and that she dropped off Kyron at the school.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1008/17/ijvm.01.htm
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I do not think it was an actual " Photo" to be held in your hand. Was more than likely on Terri's Camera /that she was able to show off Kyron from her saved photos? Or did she go to the first Fred Meyers and process at the quick photo stand - Kyron's pic, is that where the receipt is from? at 9:12? To make it even more believable to Andrea/others? To be able to have an actual processed photo of Kyron from the Science fair? That she would have a real copy of the original ?  :shaking2: my brain on Terri :smt073

Does anyone still up know how to get access the Kyron Horman archives? There are some old posts I wanted to read. If anyone can help me thanks.

DeDe is on GMA...
morning everyone..prayers for Kyron..

oops... their lead in was misleading...GMA is only speaking of her...and her interview in People magazine...

http://fredmeyer.pnimedia.com/

It is not clear if Fred Meyers downloads photos in-store.  The above FM link is for on-line downloading.

http://www.fredmeyer.com/in_store/Pages/default.aspx

ABC article and video about DeDe.

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/kyron-horman-case-dede-spicher-speaks-police-targeting/story?id=11426202 (http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/kyron-horman-case-dede-spicher-speaks-police-targeting/story?id=11426202)

http://fredmeyer.pnimedia.com/

It is not clear if Fred Meyers downloads photos in-store.  The above FM link is for on-line downloading.

http://www.fredmeyer.com/in_store/Pages/default.aspx

Older than dirt  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Well.. Jason seems to be telling us what he wants us to know, at first anyway.  And answering some questions along the way.  Perhaps he intends to go back and answer any missed questions as he has time.   ::piggy::

::MonkeyKiss2::

Just a quick note to Thank both Klaasend and Claycat for your help!!

::MonkeyKiss2::

Just a quick note to Thank both Klaasend and Claycat for your help!!

I enjoyed your videos, too, Clay, I was just nervous about you putting your face on there and the area where you live.  I like our monkeys to stay safe.

Thanks, Bearlyhere!  I'm not too worried.  You are a sweetheart to be concerned. 

Hope this put a smile on your face if only temporary. Sometimes I just need to get a little humor in my life.

A bunch of cows and bulls

A bunch of cows and bulls are standing in a field. A huge gust of wind comes along and all the cows fall over, but the bulls just stand there, bracing themselves against the
gale.

All the cows stand up and go back to their chewing.

Pretty soon, an even stronger wind blows through and all of the cows are knocked to the ground, but the bulls just munch on the grass.

Next, a bona fide tornado comes through and all the cows are knocked clean into the next pasture. The bulls just say, "Mooo..."

Finally, one of the cows walks up to one of the bulls and says, "Moo? Is that all you can say? How come the wind always knocks us right over and you just stand there?"

"Isn't it obvious?" the bull replies. "We bulls wobble, but we don't fall down."

Welcome to all new monkeys  ::MonkeyCool::  This is from Jason and the thread he is posting on.    I lost feelings for her by March of 2009 because her personality did an about face and she decided to live off unemployment, stopped working out, did not take any more classes and stopped her strict diet.  ::MonkeyEek::  A big personality change, have to wonder what happened, mid life crisis? Obviously DeDe didn't meet Jason's expectations after she stopped working out and stopped her diet, nothing new, a lot of men don't like heavy women. But it sure probably was very hurtful to DeDe  ::MonkeyNoNo:: Living off unemployment, hate to tell you this Jason, but some people have no choice, not a lot of jobs out there for everyone  ::MonkeyNoNo:: And that could have made her feel bad about herself also. Sounds to me by all this is that DeDe became very depressed, why, I wouldn't know.         One thing that I go by in my life, if a person sounds to good too be true, they usually aren't to good too be true.

Welcome to all new monkeys  ::MonkeyCool::  This is from Jason and the thread he is posting on.    I lost feelings for her by March of 2009 because her personality did an about face and she decided to live off unemployment, stopped working out, did not take any more classes and stopped her strict diet.  ::MonkeyEek::  A big personality change, have to wonder what happened, mid life crisis? Obviously DeDe didn't meet Jason's expectations after she stopped working out and stopped her diet, nothing new, a lot of men don't like heavy women. But it sure probably was very hurtful to DeDe  ::MonkeyNoNo:: Living off unemployment, hate to tell you this Jason, but some people have no choice, not a lot of jobs out there for everyone  ::MonkeyNoNo:: And that could have made her feel bad about herself also. Sounds to me by all this is that DeDe became very depressed, why, I wouldn't know.         One thing that I go by in my life, if a person sounds to good too be true, they usually aren't to good too be true.

I felt by his last post that he was backing off a bit from his assurances that Kyron was 'safe'.
I also picked up that he may have issues w/ someone not in perfect physical shape..............
I felt like there were demands or conditions by him for the relationship that she did not meet so...........it ended.
Just my feelings.  That is why I am posted here vs. on his thread.  Not my place to comment to him on his seemly (to me) shallow expectations.
Just my opinion and gut reaction.
I am not ready to call BS on him, yet, but have some concerns as to motive and agenda?????
Thanks for listening.

Welcome to all new monkeys  ::MonkeyCool::  This is from Jason and the thread he is posting on.    I lost feelings for her by March of 2009 because her personality did an about face and she decided to live off unemployment, stopped working out, did not take any more classes and stopped her strict diet.  ::MonkeyEek::  A big personality change, have to wonder what happened, mid life crisis? Obviously DeDe didn't meet Jason's expectations after she stopped working out and stopped her diet, nothing new, a lot of men don't like heavy women. But it sure probably was very hurtful to DeDe  ::MonkeyNoNo:: Living off unemployment, hate to tell you this Jason, but some people have no choice, not a lot of jobs out there for everyone  ::MonkeyNoNo:: And that could have made her feel bad about herself also. Sounds to me by all this is that DeDe became very depressed, why, I wouldn't know.         One thing that I go by in my life, if a person sounds to good too be true, they usually aren't to good too be true.

I don't know.

Unless there is evidence of the child being "safe but stashed away," how can one assume that? How many kids are kidnapped from their families and are kept safe and stashed away?

He does have issues with women gaining weight.

That happens with insecure men - they get old, fat, and ugly... with their beer guts hanging to their knees, but they are always looking for "model types."

Like a "model-type" would ever want to be with them. So they spend their lives alone waiting for that "perfect woman."

Let's remember the man is 41 and has never been married, and has no kids.

 ::MonkeyWink::

But, if you read carefully, you would notice that he ended his perfect and loving relationship with Dede over 4 flower boxes.

 ::MonkeyEek::

The way he answered the questions, me thinks he's thinking on writing a book.

I did enjoy his visit.

---------- Forwarded message ----------

On Aug 17, 2010, at 11:08 wrote:

Is William Name Redacted2 related to you?
William K. Name Redacted2

From: <jwishert
Date: Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 3:23 PM
no

Welcome to all new monkeys  ::MonkeyCool::  This is from Jason and the thread he is posting on.    I lost feelings for her by March of 2009 because her personality did an about face and she decided to live off unemployment, stopped working out, did not take any more classes and stopped her strict diet.  ::MonkeyEek::  A big personality change, have to wonder what happened, mid life crisis? Obviously DeDe didn't meet Jason's expectations after she stopped working out and stopped her diet, nothing new, a lot of men don't like heavy women. But it sure probably was very hurtful to DeDe  ::MonkeyNoNo:: Living off unemployment, hate to tell you this Jason, but some people have no choice, not a lot of jobs out there for everyone  ::MonkeyNoNo:: And that could have made her feel bad about herself also. Sounds to me by all this is that DeDe became very depressed, why, I wouldn't know.         One thing that I go by in my life, if a person sounds to good too be true, they usually aren't to good too be true.

Just to add my experience ( short version/of Two accounts in One Elem School when my Daughter was in 3rd Grade) - I tried to make

My encounter with the Elementary School my Daughter attended - 3rd Grade. She was a new student to the school. We had moved. She did not know any of the kids in her class - all was foreign to her. I had to enroll her into the latch key program - before/after school care. This was small school in a very rural area. Very lax. ( Like Kyron's school).  My work was a one hour drive one way from dropping her off at latch key. Which I had to be at work at 8 am. So was a struggle every day. The roads I had to travel to get to the freeway - were just awful, until I hit the freeway it was 80mph ..free coast - ave work traffic - all flowing along. When I was to leave though - I could not count on the traffic time, I left work at 5pm - when everyone is driving. So it could be a very long trip to get to her at Latch Key. Was a 25.00 Charge, if you arrived after 6PM - so I new I had to drive strategically. (That drive sucked)
* One day at work, I was hit with an intense feeling, that had me very agitated. Was a Thursday around 4pm. I thought my skin was coming off. I cleared and cleaned my desk, I filed - I did everything to the point - I was a spectacle to my co-worker. He said to me " What the hell is wrong with you?" he said it's Thursday Mtg of the Month.. ( all management went behind closed doors ONE Thursday a Month = never to come out) .. I told him, something is WRONG and I don't know what it is. I said I have to leave. My Feet/Soul were on Fire. I said I have to LEAVE Now. He said You Can't. I did leave. I left right before 5pm. I drove 100mph when I was able to weave in and out of traffic to get to my Daughters School.  I walked into the room where her latch key class was - the second my body entered the room - The room went from kid chatter to Silence. I walked in and I could see the faces of the kids ..and they were all like O .. all happened in seconds. The Teacher my focal point. I said to her face - Where is my Daughter? .. before she the Teacher (insert adj) answered - I heard my Baby from across the room ..welp .. Mamma. Well long story short my Daughter - her Arm was broken in two places during a soccer game. That a " Male TEACHER" who joined the Latch key staff that day .. stomped her playing soccer. I never knew of him, nothing was sent to the parents ..we are adding a new staff member. Nothing. How I found out was that ..after I ripped the lying sack of latch key teacher a new chalk board .. Because I WAS Not Called ! She said OH I thought it was better that I didn't call you, I knew you worked so far away, that I felt it was better not to call you. Yet she had handed me a written statement that my Daughter had a BOO BOO during recess @ 4PM.  When I could clearly see that her ARM was broken. I get SO hot talking about this.  How I found out about this NEW Teacher - was as I was walking out the door with K to take her to the hospital .. her little friend yelled out - " HE DID IT! " I stopped dead in my tracks. I turned around and I said " Who is He? " and then I heard this deep male voice ..and he said I am so so Sorry, I didn't mean to Hurt your Daughter.  I asked him WHO ARE YOU? and then the Latch key Main Teacher said " Don't answer her". :2ukli: He retreated. Never to say a word.   HMMPH.  Took my Daughter to the ER - was not only found that she had two broken bones in her arm - yet within the bruise imprint on her inner arm was a man's shoe - markings from the bottom of a gym shoe - her wrist to her elbow. Was a purple red tat of a man's shoe. I went to the school the following day - right before the end of the school day. I thought I would be able to have a private meeting with the Principle. The school secretary asked me -when I entered Can I help you? I said yes, I would like to meet with the Principle about my Daughter who is a student here, that she was injured last night by a teacher in latch key. The Secretary gave me a Deer in the headlamps look .. hold on she said. When I entered I could see the Principle in her office sitting at her desk. The door was open. The Secretary went in her office/Closed the door - exited her office and closed the door. She came back to me and said " I am sorry She is not Available at this time to speak with you".  I was of full composure, I was not using any negative language and had expressed what had happened to my Daughter. The Secretary after listening ..she said to me clear and concise as if she was trying to teach me something. She said Your Daughter, enrolled in latch key is not under the responsibility of the school. If you have issues with the Latch Key Program you will have to talk with them - NOT US. * I went home and retained a Atty. The Atty told me after all was said and said - That I had to go after this " Teacher" personally - that the School was not liable. The program of latch key was not Liable. That it had to be a Personal Liability Suit.  Can you believe this?
* He quit the next day after my Daughter's Arm was broken. He went POOF. Found out by investigation that He was the flunky son, 22 yrs old, of the " Woman" who collected the fees/Headed up the Latch Key Program for the County. My Atty sent two subpoenas - One to her office and one to her home - Neither one came up as worthy. She said she had no idea of his whereabouts.  Countless Schools this woman is affiliated in.  She still runs the Latch key program within the County - and back then, I was WARNED OMG by my Atty's clerk - That SHE is very IN with Judges and County officials. ( what should I have done shuttered?) HOLY CRAP. Well they never found him, the case was dropped. My Daughter's arm was a shard from a broken growth plate in her arm/wrist. That her arm would have ceased growth from the age of 8. Thank GOD that didn't happen. I asked my Atty What if it were her Head and her Brain had been kicked that she was brain damaged? That she was no longer able to live a normal life - He said It's the same game within public schools. ( I don't believe it). Monkey's its all within who you know and what you know. That Summer I had to put her into Summer Camp, so I could work. Was a different representative that offered Summer Camp. 2 days in, she became violently ill. I was called at work, within 15 mins of her illness, your daughter is profusely vomiting. I drove like a bat out of hell to get to her. Took her to the nearest ER and they said she had Strep Throat. That she did not need a strep culture and he/doc gave me a Antibiotic. Less then 8 hours later she had a temp of 105/ her neck looked like a football -and I knew it was not strep. Went to her Doc without an appt, then was sent to a ENT just miles away without an appt, The ENT Doc saw her in the waiting room - He came out and picked her up. He sat with me and said We have all the paperwork written up / all is handled - I need you to drive her to this Hospital - for her to be admitted. All you have to do is tell them who you are. My daughter was in the hospital for the next 4 days. The first 3 days she never opened her eyes, nor spoke. Hooked up to IV's never moved. 8 yrs old. She had a full blown case of Mono. That her spleen had dropped into her pelvic cavity. I know she caught it from the school. MY Daughter's welfare always my first priority - Her being a student at that school for one year was HELL/Life scary and to add cost over 5k in doctor bills left to me.  One year that you would think it's a nice quiet rural area, we had a beautiful incredible apt home. We were tormented though by her being at this school. And the School Won. We Moved. I have never pressed the issues of her Arm. I find it fruitless. The case was within my Atty for 3 yrs .. and he sent me a bill for 480.00 .. I never paid it. He didn't do anything but utter me rulings of what is .. I was stuck with all the bills, her broken arm/hospitalization which forced me into bankruptcy. That's why I say - Whatever Skyline is dealing ?? I am not buying it. My case was my child being hurt, 2 broken bones/illness. And I never could even get a moment with the Principle = I was shut out, actually two times. Why? because if she were to actually talk to me/she would be liable of her words. I would think a Principle would want to know a child was hurt within her school/by a staff member? I guess not.  :smt104
 
Where is Kyron?
  I have a conern along this line. 
 

Help monkeys! I'm drawing a blank. What does HOA mean? As in Jason's comment about DeDe: I lost more respect for her when she got involved in her HOA again

BBM - I found that tidbit very interesting, as I know many other Monkeys did too. A little light sleuthing led me to this - it appears that Dede has had weight issues for many years (losing/gaining 100 pounds THREE TIMES in just five years? Hello, heart problems?!). I had to register on this site to search her posts, so you'll probably have to do the same and then log in to read all of them. This is her intro post; she only posted 12 times, total.


January 7th, 2008, 07:01 PM 
Deedle 
Junior Member   Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Portland OR
Posts: 12
 
 
Hi! I'm new.

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Hi All!

My name is DeDe Spicher. I bought PN a couple of months ago, but didn't get a moment to read it until I had some free time over the holidays.

Since 2002ish, I've been doing Body-for-Life off and on. When I'm on, I lose 90-100 lbs of fat. I know it's fat because I get hydrostatically weighed every 3 or 4 months to make sure. Then, after about a year of feeling fit and amazing, I completely implode and fall face-first into the nearest cheesecake. Then after I gain it all back and a year or more passes, I hop back on the bandwagon and drop another 100 lbs.

The PN program doesn't look too different from what I've been doing (good quality, lean protein and complex carbs 5-6 times a day), but I've never been able to be successful with the Free Day. Psychologically, emotionally, and physically it totally messes me up. The 10% meals with PN feel like a much better approach.

Since reading PN, I've been incorporating way more veggies in my meals and saving the starchy carbs for my post-workout meal.

Since BFL had technically been working (I've consistently lost 1-2 lbs since June 25th for a total of 65 lbs so far), I'm not as concerned about following PN to the letter. I'm still losing fat right now (as I type!) and will continue to without a doubt. In fact, that last bit will come off again just like it did the last 3 times (yes, this is the 3rd time I've lost nearly 100 lbs in the last 5 yrs). I'm not even worried about that. What I *am* worried about is maintenance... long-term maintenance. My goal now is to be fit and healthy 2 years from now. I gotta find balance and avoid the implode.


Looking forward to meeting everyone here!

DeDe 

http://www.precisionnutrition.com/members/showthread.php?t=10196

This poster has a brillant idea.  :idea: :idea: :idea:

janand August 18, 2010 at 7:19AM


DeDe is supposedly waiting for an immunity deal.

What IF.... she is telling the truth about not leaving the garden?

What IF....... TH came to her? Just a thought...you can be honest and not be telling the whole truth.


http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/08/dede_spicher_to_people_magazin/4053/comments-newest.html

Home Owners Association

Home Owners Association

This poster has a brillant idea.  :idea: :idea: :idea:

janand August 18, 2010 at 7:19AM


DeDe is supposedly waiting for an immunity deal.

What IF.... she is telling the truth about not leaving the garden?

What IF....... TH came to her? Just a thought...you can be honest and not be telling the whole truth.


http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/08/dede_spicher_to_people_magazin/4053/comments-newest.html

Thanks.  I wondered about that too.  What is wrong with being involved in a HOA?

Janet

LOL! I just asked the same question!

Someone was commenting that Jason isn't savvy with the media and is trying to protect his rep and his company like Heather at rosemont....Big difference

Heather was thrown into the blog hotseat
Jason went to the media
Her farm business was was negatively affected
Jason 's business not

And another thing..re the weight gain....He doesn't look that physically fit and he's losing his hair..One cancels the other but I bet he doesn't think it would make him less attractive...just saying ::MonkeyMad:: 

Was Dede a Roman Catholic? Was religion the real reason for the break-up? He attended a Catholic High School. 
He couldn't marry her unless she converted. :smt105  He kept pleasant memories by keeping the Mementos. :smt049 :smt049

Someone was commenting that Jason isn't savvy with the media and is trying to protect his rep and his company like Heather at rosemont....Big difference

Heather was thrown into the blog hotseat
Jason went to the media
Her farm business was was negatively affected
Jason 's business not

And another thing..re the weight gain....He doesn't look that physically fit and he's losing his hair..One cancels the other but I bet he doesn't think it would make him less attractive...just saying ::MonkeyMad:: 

Deciding to live off unemployment. There is a difference between being on unemployment and deciding to live off of it. I know peeps who lose a job and pick themselves up and look for work and take odd jobs just to keep up with bills and feel better. Others just remove themselves from anything positive in their lives. Don't look for work, stay in the jammies until noon, and just become difficult to be around. Unmotivated to do anything for themselves or other peeps.   

Was Dede a Roman Catholic? Was religion the real reason for the break-up? He attended a Catholic High School. 
He couldn't marry her unless she converted. :smt105  He kept pleasant memories by keeping the Mementos. :smt049 :smt049

Any chance that Kyron was upset that his Mom & Dad didn't come to the Science Fair and just ran away?
Or a stranger ( Child Predator)saw him upset and told him he would take him to his mom's house?
I looking in a direction where Terri is not involved I don't like to put all of my eggs into one basket.

It's beginning to sound like a catty henfest in here.

Anything is possible Blonde. 

If LE thought there was a remote chance of a stranger I just don't understand why their focus appears to be Terri. 

Jason thank you so much for all your information.  You do indeed come across as someone who believes in what he says.

You also come across as a man who stands up for what he believes in and believes in a fair and just world.  In keeping with this line of thinking please remember that now you have entered into the public realm of attention and as such you will be open to the public eye.

I have seen this question asked of you already several times and I would very much appreciate if you would answer it...

Are you related to William Kent Name Redacted2, 67, Portland, Oregon?

What would your feelings be if Dede were to go on the main stream media and talk openly about your relationship with her, her feelings toward you, and her perceptions of your personal weaknesses, mental health and personal issues? 

Thank you in advance.

Help monkeys! I'm drawing a blank. What does HOA mean? As in Jason's comment about DeDe: I lost more respect for her when she got involved in her HOA again

OT, but I noticed Justamama has only one post in SMs, this one above.

She seems mighty informed, I would say.

;)

Not for sure on this but my guess is Home Owners Association. Makes sense though.

Now this jumped out at me, why would you lose more respect for her that she got involved in the HOA? Somebody has to do it, and the people that I know that are in ours, they do it because they care about our community and don't want it to look trashy and want it kept up.

I don't see them?  I mean I see your email but I don't see the posts.

Any chance that Kyron was upset that his Mom & Dad didn't come to the Science Fair and just ran away?
Or a stranger ( Child Predator)saw him upset and told him he would take him to his mom's house?
I looking in a direction where Terri is not involved I don't like to put all of my eggs into one basket.
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I definitely think it's time to look in another direction. The path we're on has led us nowhere !

I agree, anything is possible.

Not sure why nrcg .  He just said that he did and not WHY he did.

There are some men, not the majority I would hope, that don't want their girlfriends/spouses involved in anything but them. 

Of course there are others that take pride in and support their sig. others' interest and involvements.

When LE decided not to request additional funding for the investigation and the DA requested funding, I assumed something came up that directed most of their attention on Terri.

If DeDe is requesting immunity before talking, attention is again focused on Terri.

There are many possibilities for Kyron's disappearance, and I am not closing the door on them; but in the meantime, actions by Terri and DeDe bring them to the forefront.

Now this jumped out at me, why would you lose more respect for her that she got involved in the HOA? Somebody has to do it, and the people that I know that are in ours, they do it because they care about our community and don't want it to look trashy and want it kept up.

Welcome to all new monkeys  ::MonkeyCool::  This is from Jason and the thread he is posting on.    I lost feelings for her by March of 2009 because her personality did an about face and she decided to live off unemployment, stopped working out, did not take any more classes and stopped her strict diet.  ::MonkeyEek::  A big personality change, have to wonder what happened, mid life crisis? Obviously DeDe didn't meet Jason's expectations after she stopped working out and stopped her diet, nothing new, a lot of men don't like heavy women. But it sure probably was very hurtful to DeDe  ::MonkeyNoNo:: Living off unemployment, hate to tell you this Jason, but some people have no choice, not a lot of jobs out there for everyone  ::MonkeyNoNo:: And that could have made her feel bad about herself also. Sounds to me by all this is that DeDe became very depressed, why, I wouldn't know.         One thing that I go by in my life, if a person sounds to good too be true, they usually aren't to good too be true.

I'm on the board of our HOA and right now it's been pretty time consuming.  My hubby fully supports my work with it.  I think Jason's problem might have been her time spent on it versus looking for a job or her time being spent with him?  It's a thank-less job as many people put it but is for the good of the neighborhood, condo, etc.

I'm on the board of our HOA and right now it's been pretty time consuming.  My hubby fully supports my work with it.  I think Jason's problem might have been her time spent on it versus looking for a job or her time being spent with him?  It's a thank-less job as many people put it but is for the good of the neighborhood, condo, etc.

OT, but I noticed Justamama has only one post in SMs, this one above.

She seems mighty informed, I would say.

;)

I think people wanted Jason to answer questions, and he did some. I personally see no reason to bring up DeDe's lack of exercise and overeating, and her being on unemployment. Many people have weight issues, and gain and lose weight becomes a big part of life. And it certainly shouldn't take away from the person themselves, and that was the feeling I got, and didn't like  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Any chance that Kyron was upset that his Mom & Dad didn't come to the Science Fair and just ran away?
Or a stranger ( Child Predator)saw him upset and told him he would take him to his mom's house?
I looking in a direction where Terri is not involved I don't like to put all of my eggs into one basket.

They stopped being personal momentos of a special relationship when he produced them for public consumption.  Sorry the ancillary sideshows are getting to me ::MonkeyNoNo::

IMO If he was the outstanding Heart felt God Living man he says he is.. I dont think he broke up with dede because of this, the whole thing is OFF to me.

to me if he broke up with dede because she lost her job and she was overweight that is just a jerk to me. childish as well.

My R.C (non practicing) husband married me in a R. C. church.  I didn't convert.  Celebrated our 44th anniversary last week.  ::MonkeyCheer4::

IMO If he was the outstanding Heart felt God Living man he says he is.. I dont think he broke up with dede because of this, the whole thing is OFF to me.

to me if he broke up with dede because she lost her job and she was overweight that is just a jerk to me. childish as well.

 ::MonkeyCheer4::

can

My hubby and I will be celebrating our 45th this November.  I had a couple of puppy love interests prior but no other boyfriend.  We met when I was 16 years old at an interchurch young peoples bowling league ... engaged at 17 years old following my graduation from high school and ... married when I was 18 years old.  Both of our parents were so concerned.

Janet

I'm with you, No Rose. As fara as unemployment~you actually have to work to be entitled to it so I do not begrudge anyone who uses it when it's needed. We pay for it every week out of our paychecks.

I'm with you, No Rose. As fara as unemployment~you actually have to work to be entitled to it so I do not begrudge anyone who uses it when it's needed. We pay for it every week out of our paychecks.

I'm with you, No Rose. As fara as unemployment~you actually have to work to be entitled to it so I do not begrudge anyone who uses it when it's needed. We pay for it every week out of our paychecks.

Is it possible there were TWO white trucks at Skyline that morning? One was KH's and the other was????(whomever was working with TH). Maybe that is why in the last press conference police were interested if anyone had seem the truck in two different areas of the school that were very close together-perhaps there was a white truck in both areas-but they weren't the same truck. Police also mentioned if anyone had saw something and thought "hmm that's strange" It would be a little strange if you were driving and saw a white truck and went around the corner and saw another one just like it...but probably not strange enough that anyone remembers. TH could tell Kyron something to the effect of taking him somewhere for a treat, like donuts, and being back before school starts. Then she says I have to take Kiara to the truck because she's getting fussy...you go to the bathroom and put your stuff away and meet me at the truck out back...but don't tell anyone because I don't want to have to buy donuts for the whole class...just you. Th goes to her truck with Kiara and drives off to Fred Meyers...Kyron goes out back and hops in white truck...but it's not KH's truck. Ok monkeys, what do you think?

Very possible more than one white F250 as it's a popular vehicle.

I find many of the comments on DeDe's and Jason's short term, dating relationship to be down right odd. Dating, at any age, is a trial period in which 2 people explore whether they want to be involved in a long term commitment or marriage. Either person can exercise the escape clause at any time for any reason. If the genders were reversed in this situation, I wonder if any opinions would change. As a woman (because I am one), if I were to meet a man who seemed very similar in interests and lifestyle and began dating him, I would be on the watch for "red flags" slapping me in the face. If my BF became unemployed, showed no real interest in finding employment, became a couch potato instead of his previously energetic self, started making requests of me that appeared as if he were a user, after a heart to heart conversation or two, I would cut the dead weight loose. I would be honest. I would be kind. But I would not continue the relationship indefinitely hoping things would get better. Unconditional love is for marriage. I find it much more repugnant when women or men continue relationships into marriage, and as soon as they seal the deal, start trying to mold their partner into what they really want. Cut Jason some slack. Someone asked him who terminated the relationship and why. He answered the question.

Is it possible there were TWO white trucks at Skyline that morning? One was KH's and the other was????(whomever was working with TH). Maybe that is why in the last press conference police were interested if anyone had seem the truck in two different areas of the school that were very close together-perhaps there was a white truck in both areas-but they weren't the same truck. Police also mentioned if anyone had saw something and thought "hmm that's strange" It would be a little strange if you were driving and saw a white truck and went around the corner as another one just like it...but probably not strange enough that anyone remembers...

I think people wanted Jason to answer questions, and he did some. I personally see no reason to bring up DeDe's lack of exercise and overeating, and her being on unemployment. Many people have weight issues, and gain and lose weight becomes a big part of life. And it certainly shouldn't take away from the person themselves, and that was the feeling I got, and didn't like  ::MonkeyNoNo::

On the other hand, since he's giving us his take on things, which is what we wanted, maybe criricizing him for what he says might work against us. That's JMO and I don't want anyone to think I'm telling them what to do. But I just mean why would he share more if his words just lead to  more criticism? It could be very inhibiting.

New information has been revealed in the article in People (online).

 ::monkeyscissors::
The pair also assumed they were under surveillance. "Any conversations that we wanted to have, we'd go out into the yard," Spicher says. "When we were in the house, we'd talk about the kids, we'd talk about her marriage, talked about her family."

http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20413793,00.html

If they talked about the kids, marriage and the family inside, what were they saving for the private outside discussions...  :smt014

I don't want you to think I was picking on you NoRose, just because I put that comment under your quote box.  It was just a thought that suddenly came up. Most of us have been critiquing his comments. 

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: Is Jason trying to lure her to SM?  ::MonkeyHaHa::  I am offended, too, how he portrays Hefty-people.
 I want to see his family members!

I find many of the comments on DeDe's and Jason's short term, dating relationship to be down right odd. Dating, at any age, is a trial period in which 2 people explore whether they want to be involved in a long term commitment or marriage. Either person can exercise the escape clause at any time for any reason. If the genders were reversed in this situation, I wonder if any opinions would change. As a woman (because I am one), if I were to meet a man who seemed very similar in interests and lifestyle and began dating him, I would be on the watch for "red flags" slapping me in the face. If my BF became unemployed, showed no real interest in finding employment, became a couch potato instead of his previously energetic self, started making requests of me that appeared as if he were a user, after a heart to heart conversation or two, I would cut the dead weight loose. I would be honest. I would be kind. But I would not continue the relationship indefinitely hoping things would get better. Unconditional love is for marriage. I find it much more repugnant when women or men continue relationships into marriage, and as soon as they seal the deal, start trying to mold their partner into what they really want. Cut Jason some slack. Someone asked him who terminated the relationship and why. He answered the question.

nicubird

You are right and ... I was wrong when I equated Jason and DeDe's relationship to a marriage in regards to unconditional love.

However ... I believe that Jason is a cad for revealing the underlying reasons he lost interest in DeDe ... underlying reasons that had nothing to do with the Kyron Horman case.  Implying and stopping at a mutual break-up would have sufficed.

What I did glean from Jason's words:

1.  He could not have participated with DeDe and Terri in the events encompassing the morning of June 4, 2010 ... events encompassing the disappearance of Kyron.  He had not been in touch with DeDe since August, 2009.

2.  His position is that the DeDe he knew would never harm a child.

Janet
 

On the other hand, since he's giving us his take on things, which is what we wanted, maybe criricizing him for what he says might work against us. That's JMO and I don't want anyone to think I'm telling them what to do. But I just mean why would he share more if his words just lead to  more criticism? It could be very inhibiting.

DeDe Spicher: I Was 'Very Worried' for Terri Horman's Life
By Elaine Aradillas
Wednesday August 18, 2010 10:00 AM EDT

http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20413793,00.html


'Mystery Woman' DeDe Spicher Defends Stepmom in Kyron Horman Case
By Elaine Aradillas
Tuesday August 17, 2010 09:45 AM EDT

http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20413527,00.html
 

 

He was asked questions about DeDe, and he answered and included a brief outline of how she was changing during the time he was with her. I don't see anything wrong with that. To go through and pull individual elements out of context in order to use them to justify personal remarks is not fair.

When a question is asked, the answer may not suit everyone, but Jason answered.

I wonder whose idea was that, Terri's or Dede's?

I just think it isn't the nicest thing to say about an ex girlfriend. I don't care if he tells us about what she is like, but one doesn't have to be rude while doing it, imo.

::HelloKitty::

I don't want to offend anyone, but this stuff is true.  It's all about the priests at a very expensive college in Minnesota.  There was an earlier kidnapping of a 12 year old in the area 20 years ago with a now named POI who is associated with the college.

There is also a missing 21 year old student -6 ft, 175 pounds named Josh Guimond that disappeared while walking from one dorm to another 8 years ago.

The school would not let them search the abbey for 5 days.  It is a have for sex offender priests.  Talk about cover ups! 

I bring this up because of Jason's Catholic connection and the child work he does.

http://www.behindthepinecurtain.com/

One thing I do see as relevant in terms of what Jason has shared (please forgive me if this has already been discussed.  I have not read all of the posts made by posters in the Jason thread) is that he said that DD told him that he would be the last man she got involved with if it didn't work out between the two of them.  Maybe I am coming out of left field, but I have had suspicions about whether DD and TH had a sexual relationship or maybe there was some sort of love or infatuation going on between the two of them.  Maybe it could have been one sided infatuation by DD for Terri, I have no idea.  But we have definitely seen that Terri has shown to be manipulative and inappropriate sexually with at least one person, Michael Cook.  If DD had feelings for Terri, she could feel protective of her and could act in inappropriate ways to try to protect her.  When someone feels blinded by love, they can do things that are totally out of character.

<snipped>

Now, let's get to the important question...when do I get my salmon fillet??   ::MonkeyWink::

I just think it isn't the nicest thing to say about an ex girlfriend. I don't care if he tells us about what she is like, but one doesn't have to be rude while doing it, imo.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Today Hubby, grandsons and son-in-law are out on that ocean at the mouth of the Fraser River ... determined to catch their limit.

This weekend we are having a family gathering at our home and ... salmon is on the menu.  All Monkeys are invited and ... will be considered guests of honor.

Janet
 

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Today Hubby, grandsons and son-in-law are out on that ocean at the mouth of the Fraser River ... determined to catch their limit.

This weekend we are having a family gathering at our home and ... salmon is on the menu.  All Monkeys are invited and ... will be considered guests of honor.

Janet
 

Hi NoRose & Monkeys,

He has told the whole world  ::MonkeyJnBox:: that she is fat & lazy (not in so many words) and that stinks.

DeDe Spicher: I Was 'Very Worried' for Terri Horman's Life
By Elaine Aradillas
Wednesday August 18, 2010 10:00 AM EDT

http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20413793,00.html


'Mystery Woman' DeDe Spicher Defends Stepmom in Kyron Horman Case
By Elaine Aradillas
Tuesday August 17, 2010 09:45 AM EDT

http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20413527,00.html
 

 

Down, down, down to the cellar

must I go

to get

more

WINE

to share with Janet and her salmon-lovin' family.

 ::monkeywine2::

I just cannot imagine why they felt the need to carry on conversations outside, away from the house, if they had nothing to hide!  

No bananas?

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet

One thing I do see as relevant in terms of what Jason has shared (please forgive me if this has already been discussed.  I have not read all of the posts made by posters in the Jason thread) is that he said that DD told him that he would be the last man she got involved with if it didn't work out between the two of them.  Maybe I am coming out of left field, but I have had suspicions about whether DD and TH had a sexual relationship or maybe there was some sort of love or infatuation going on between the two of them.  Maybe it could have been one sided infatuation by DD for Terri, I have no idea.  But we have definitely seen that Terri has shown to be manipulative and inappropriate sexually with at least one person, Michael Cook.  If DD had feelings for Terri, she could feel protective of her and could act in inappropriate ways to try to protect her.  When someone feels blinded by love, they can do things that are totally out of character.

Please forgive me if this has already been discussed thoroughly here, but have the two Sanchez landscapers been investigated here?  I imagine that it would be tough to obtain much info, if any, of anybody who is an illegal alien.  But it seems to me that there could be something fishy about them.

Is there a link to a thread where I can read and catch up on what might have already been discussed here?

Thanks!

Please forgive me if this has already been discussed thoroughly here, but have the two Sanchez landscapers been investigated here?  I imagine that it would be tough to obtain much info, if any, of anybody who is an illegal alien.  But it seems to me that there could be something fishy about them.

Is there a link to a thread where I can read and catch up on what might have already been discussed here?

Thanks!

Thank-you, Janet!

Do we have permission to dance on the tables?    ::MonkeySlide::

Hi NoRose & Monkeys,

He has told the whole world  ::MonkeyJnBox:: that she is fat & lazy (not in so many words) and that stinks.

When the MFH story and the landscaper first hit the news we did discuss it in the normal thread.  There was not a separate thread for him.  I think at the time so much was coming out we didn't think to do a thread.  We did see and talk about Blink's post regarding the landscaper.  I read last week the LS was being interviewed by the grand jury.  I'd love to know how that went.

I have a big problem with Jason and therefore will not be asking him any questions. Jason INSERTED HIMSELF into this case and is now trying to tell us monkeys not to look into his family? Uh huh. I also have a problem with people who constantly contradict themselves. His posts are riddled with contradictions. It bugs me to no end when people say unkind things and then start banging on the old Bible. I think it was clear that he did not like DeDe's weight gain but it was also IMPLIED in my opinion, that she was not overweight when he met DeDe. I don't think he wants the public to think that he was involved with the overweight DeDe that we are seeing now. I have really big concerns with Jason working with children. I will not elaborate as I think other monkeys are thinking that same thing and I don't want to get too pointed.

I think DeDe and Terri's bond became really strong within the last year. I think DeDe came out of the relationship with Jason mad as hell at men. I think Terri has been slinging mud about Kaine for a while to those that would listen. I truly think that these two stashed Kyron as a way to get back at Kaine. I think that originally there may have been a ransom plan. Terri could make money while getting back at Kaine. Terri and DeDe could have killed two birds with one stone. They could have put terror into Kaine and hit his wallet at the same time. I am sure that BOTH Terri and DeDe could use the money. I wonder if a ranson note was left on June 4th, or if a ransom note was something these two were planning for later. I think it blew them both away that LE and Tony and Desiree were on the scene so fast. I think their plan has spiralled out of control and they have no idea how to make the rabbit re-appear out of the hat. I just hope that Kyron is still alive and well.

I come from another land,(another board).  Today I have taken the time to read and read through so many posts and threads on here that I'm dizzy but I HAVE to post this...

Seriously you all need to pat yourselves on the back.  There are other places on the internet where Kyron's case is being discussed and the discussion has gone to such depths of depravity that I no longer wanted to be associated with it.

I'm no  ::MonkeyAngel:: myself but WOW really the level of respect and ability to bite your tongue on here shows so much about all of you I'm just so impressed.

I looked through all the different threads and didn't find an appropriate place to post this really, so I posted it here.  Hope you don't mind.

Most respectfully,
Justamama

As long as I am not expected to climb up on that table with ya.

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seahorse - Tamikosmom's Party 2010



 

 

Klaas

I have compiled some of the MFH "credible sources" articles as well as some quotes from Desiree and Kaine.

Would you like me to post them to a separate thread?  Maybe others could contribute.

I am off for the day but ... I am willing to do it tonight.

Janet
11:40 AM PT

I come from another land,(another board).  Today I have taken the time to read and read through so many posts and threads on here that I'm dizzy but I HAVE to post this...

Seriously you all need to pat yourselves on the back.  There are other places on the internet where Kyron's case is being discussed and the discussion has gone to such depths of depravity that I no longer wanted to be associated with it.

I'm no  ::MonkeyAngel:: myself but WOW really the level of respect and ability to bite your tongue on here shows so much about all of you I'm just so impressed.

I looked through all the different threads and didn't find an appropriate place to post this really, so I posted it here.  Hope you don't mind.

Most respectfully,
Justamama

Seahorse, IMO that really isn't a fair assessment of how he answered the question that we asked him. He used non-emotional objective statements to indicate some of the changes that occurred during the few months that he knew her. He told us she had put on weight and that her activity level decreased (among other details). Not once did he use derogatory words. He also took the time to sing DeDe's paraises. I know, I know...one sided information and DeDe is not here to present her side of the story. Well, he is only one person, as imperfect as the rest of us. He can only tell one side of the story. If I were him I would bug out now. We may have a reputation of being kind to each other, but somehow we are having difficulty translating that kindness and benefit of the doubt to him. IMO he has been very even handed in his description of his relationship with DeDe.

OK...throw your nanners at me now  ::MonkeyKiss::

Excellent point!

O/T Zinnia - when I see your name I think of this  ::MonkeyCool::

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/zinnia.jpg)

BBM Not exactly true. The employer has to pay a large amount compared to anything the employee pays. And the more people you have on or have had on unemployment the higher the percentage of your gross sales you pay. So, while we do not mind paying people when they deserve it, most of the time we will fight the award because the employees (in our case) are not entitled to it.

Just finished reading the Jason thread, and just wanted to put in my 2 cents. Jason seems like a really decent guy. His reasons for not continuing in a relationship with DeDe don't bother me one bit. I've heard you should keep both eyes wide open before you get married, and half shut after. If you feel someone is not who you thought they were, and you don't feel you can live with the person they have now become, I don't see what is wrong with breaking it off. It seems the weight issue was part of the whole picture. The thing that really struck me that gave some insight into DeDe was the demanding way with the planter boxes. He sees himself working hard through difficult times when work is hard to come by, and DeDe collecting unemployment, demanding something of someone putting in 15 hour days. She threatens to finish the job herself? Threatens? I'd have said "Have at it."

Anyhow, this seems like a really decent guy, offering us some insight into the DeDe picture.

Dear Monkey's,

Does anyone know anything about Satellites?

Would a Satellite see through trees?  If SM parked under a canopy of trees, would a Satelllite be able to detect her car?

A few years back, a Culprit, hid under trees in the forest, to avoid detection. Helicopter Infra rays couldn't see him for the trees.

The rays must bounce off the wood?


TIA

http://seamusoriley.blogspot.com/2010/08/dede-spicher-to-people-magazine-part-2.html

Seamus O'Reilly presents another statement analysis on part 2 of the People article.

Dear Monkey's,

Does anyone know anything about Satellites?

Would a Satellite see through trees?  If SM parked under a canopy of trees, would a Satelllite be able to detect her car?

A few years back, a Culprit, hid under trees in the forest, to avoid detection. Helicopter Infra rays couldn't see him for the trees.

The rays must bounce off the wood?


TIA

I find that analysis to be very interesting! Among other things DD has said,  I have to call total BS on DD's claim that Terri's parents are asking DD to stay with Terri to try to help protect her.  Please!  That statement in itself makes no sense to me.  If the parents were really afraid of Terri's safety as DD claims, they wouldn't be asking DD to protect her.
And the statement about the fire extinguisher just sounds silly to me.  DD was better off not saying anything, IMHO.  But maybe she got something out of it from People, such as money, or more fame.

All I can tell you is that to have satellite TV I have to have a clear view of the southern sky to receive the signal. Therefore I can't have it because I have old growth oak trees in that direction and can't receive the signal so I would assume satellites cannot see through trees.

I've heard you should keep both eyes wide open before you get married, and half shut after.  ::MonkeyHaHa::  I have never heard that statement before, how true.

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: Yup - you think really hard before you say the "I do" - after that it's time for commitment. And I'm not saying commit through abuse and infidelity. But the little stuff (and bigger stuff too).  I said "I do" for better or for worse. Jason had not taken that step yet. And it doesn't sound like it was a one time deal for DeDe. I mean the spiraling down. Seems she was up and down. And up and down. And up and down. Jason had the right to say "No, that's not what I want to commit to." IMHO, of course.

::MonkeyHaHa::  And it really doesn't sound like their relationship was very serious, though I could be wrong.

DeDe Spicher: I Was 'Very Worried' for Terri Horman's Life
By Elaine Aradillas
Wednesday August 18, 2010 10:00 AM EDT

DeDe Spicher, the "mystery woman" in the Kyron Horman case, says her friend Terri Horman was in a crisis of grief and fear in the weeks following her 7-year-old stepson's disappearance on June 4.

"We were very worried for her life. There were death threats against her. And again, whoever has taken Kyron is still out there and could be after her, too," Spicher, 43, tells PEOPLE in an exclusive new interview.

A longtime friend of Terri's, Spicher stayed with her for 11 days beginning June 28, shortly after Terri's wife Kaine left her. "When Terri's parents had to leave to go back home, they asked if I would stay with her to help keep her safe," she says. "And I said of course I would."  

She continues: "I dropped everything I was doing, and I went to see what my friend needed. And that's when I learned she had been served with the divorce papers, there was a restraining order and a story about a murder-for-hire or something. So, it was clear that she was very distraught."

In Crisis Mode

Spicher describes being in "crisis mode" with Terri during that time at her home outside Portland, Ore. They tried to avoid the media circus during the day – with no cable TV, they looked at articles online, but learned to avoid the reader comments – and guarded against any potential intruders at night.

Horman slept upstairs, while Spicher stayed downstairs, closest to the door. "I was trying to find a way to protect us if someone should come in, and the only thing I could think of was my fire extinguisher in my car," she says. "So, I slept with my fire extinguisher next to the bed."

The pair also assumed they were under surveillance. "Any conversations that we wanted to have, we'd go out into the yard," Spicher says. "When we were in the house, we'd talk about the kids, we'd talk about her marriage, talked about her family."

Worried About Both Kids

Terri Horman and Spicher have both come under scrutiny in the case – they are even the subject of a recent new police flyer – but Spicher has said they have nothing to hide. And she adds that Terri's main concern has been her children, including her 20-month-old daughter Kiara, who has been staying with her estranged husband Kaine.

"She would go through some of [Kyron's] old drawings, some pictures, and she would go through photos and albums of him and Kiara," Spicher says. "She was very sad and worried about both of them. I can't even begin to understand what that must've felt like."


http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20413793,00.html


'Mystery Woman' DeDe Spicher Defends Stepmom in Kyron Horman Case
By Elaine Aradillas
Tuesday August 17, 2010 09:45 AM EDT

Since 7-year-old Kyron Horman went missing in June, DeDe Spicher has been called everything from uncooperative to suspicious. But Spicher, the so-called "mystery woman" in the case, says she's just a good friend of Kyron's stepmom's, and that neither of them has anything to hide.

Asked by PEOPLE in an exclusive new interview whether she thinks stepmom Terri Horman was involved in Kyron's disappearance, Spicher, 43, says, "I just really don't. In my heart, I really don't. In all of these years [as her friend], I have not seen anything that would lead me to believe that she is capable or motivated in any way to do something like this."

Spicher says she's told police the same thing. "They wanted me to tell them that Terri did it or that Terri knew something," she says. "I told them everything that I knew, over and over again. But I didn't tell them what they wanted to hear."  

RELATED: New Flyer in Kyron Horman Case Focuses on Stepmom and Her Friend

Terri Horman and Spicher, friends since meeting at a gym in 2002, have both come under scrutiny in the case. Kyron's mother, Desiree Young, has said she thinks Terri planned the boy's abduction. Kyron's father, Kaine Horman, also thinks Terri was involved – and separated from her following Kyron's disappearance.

Just last week, police released a new flyer asking for information from anyone who might have seen Terri or Spicher or anyone else near the white pickup truck Terri was driving on June 4, the morning Kyron disappeared from the Skyline School outside Portland, Ore.

Asked about her own whereabouts on June 4, Spicher says was at a 38-acre nursery preparing for a garden tour the following day. "I never left the property that day," she says.

Spicher says she stayed at Terri's house for 11 days after Kyron vanished, and that they were afraid for their own safety after getting death threats. But she wanted to be there for Terri.

"There's this horror that my friend is going through," she says. "If I thought for a second that she was capable of [foul play], I would not have been there. She would not have been my friend in the first place."

http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20413527,00.html
 

Very possible more than one white F250 as it's a popular vehicle.

I don't know.

Unless there is evidence of the child being "safe but stashed away," how can one assume that? How many kids are kidnapped from their families and are kept safe and stashed away?

He does have issues with women gaining weight.

That happens with insecure men - they get old, fat, and ugly... with their beer guts hanging to their knees, but they are always looking for "model types."

Like a "model-type" would ever want to be with them. So they spend their lives alone waiting for that "perfect woman."
Let's remember the man is 41 and has never been married, and has no kids.

 ::MonkeyWink::

But, if you read carefully, you would notice that he ended his perfect and loving relationship with Dede over 4 flower boxes.

 ::MonkeyEek::

The way he answered the questions, me thinks he's thinking on writing a book.

I did enjoy his visit.

I believe with all my heart that DeDe was a participant in the events on June 4, 2010 ... the events encompassing the disappearance of Kyron.

However ... I suspect that DeDe may have been deceptive in the People Magazine interview but ... did not outright lie.

Think about it.

1.  DeDe did not leave "the property" but ... could some of the events that transpired in regards to the disappearing of Kyron taken place somewhere on "the property".

2.  DeDe does not believe that Terri is guilty of "foul play" but could it be that DeDe does not define  saving a child at risk as "foul play".

Considering this interview would not have happened without the go ahead of DeDe's attorney ... I suspect DeDe's words were very well scripted to insure that any funds afforded DeDe could not be disupted at a later date by People Magazine.

Janet

Just finished reading the Jason thread, and just wanted to put in my 2 cents. Jason seems like a really decent guy. His reasons for not continuing in a relationship with DeDe don't bother me one bit. I've heard you should keep both eyes wide open before you get married, and half shut after. If you feel someone is not who you thought they were, and you don't feel you can live with the person they have now become, I don't see what is wrong with breaking it off. It seems the weight issue was part of the whole picture. The thing that really struck me that gave some insight into DeDe was the demanding way with the planter boxes. He sees himself working hard through difficult times when work is hard to come by, and DeDe collecting unemployment, demanding something of someone putting in 15 hour days. She threatens to finish the job herself? Threatens? I'd have said "Have at it."

Anyhow, this seems like a really decent guy, offering us some insight into the DeDe picture.

amom

Decent guys do not trash their former girlfriends on an open forum.

However ... anything Jason had to share regarding DeDe as it related to the Kyron Horman case was appreciated:

1.  DeDe was gullible.  This may imply that she could have been convinced by Terri that Kyron was a child at risk.

2.  DeDe would never harm a child.  This may imply that Kyron Horman is still alive.

3.  August, 2009 was last contact Jason had with DeDe.  This may imply that Jason was NOT gullible ... as with the planters and ... did not participate in disappearing Kyron to a safe house.

Janet

All I can tell you is that to have satellite TV I have to have a clear view of the southern sky to receive the signal. Therefore I can't have it because I have old growth oak trees in that direction and can't receive the signal so I would assume satellites cannot see through trees.

I can tell you how many F-series trucks are registered in each Oregon county/zip code, but can't drill down to vehicle color...

Thanks Can and NRCG for the nice comments posted above!

I'm going back and remember that a statement was made somewhere on the fact that Kristan Horman's case was part of Kyron's investigation.  Hopefully someone can find that and post it.  He was sentenced on 6/16/10 for 6 months if I remember correctly.  The timing of Kyron's disappearance with his case has me wondering?

IMO Kaine and Terri's behavior made me think Kyron would be found soon after he disappeared from the school because of things such as Kaine's email to work, he and Terri going to the gym, their not speaking out pleading with the public at the very first, etc.

The silence of Kaine and Desiree lately also has me wondering?  I realize with no new information they might not have anything to say but I believe I'd still be out pleading with the public.

Thanks for listening.  Just thought I'd throw out something else to discuss.



   

Thanks for that Janet,  So if Dede wasn't the second person in the truck, then who else could it have been?  Someone who Terri would trust if this was a premeditated event?

See ya tonight xox

Dear Monkey's,

Does anyone know anything about Satellites?

Would a Satellite see through trees?  If SM parked under a canopy of trees, would a Satelllite be able to detect her car?

A few years back, a Culprit, hid under trees in the forest, to avoid detection. Helicopter Infra rays couldn't see him for the trees.

The rays must bounce off the wood?


TIA

Nope. No X-Ray satellites yet. The infra rays are for detecting heat sources ... such as humans ... but if the area around has heat ... the trees, the car, rocks, etc ... they will blend together in such a way that nothing can be distinguished. A human on a cool day in a more open area would be easier to find. An on-the-ground search would be better because the tree canopy would be above the subject.

If you are ever the subject of a helicopter search, climb a tree. Beware of bears.

Scandi

Maybe there wasn't a 2nd person in the truck.

Considering Terri has a receipt that implies she was at one Fred Meyers at 9:12 am and ... a witness that places her and Kiara at another Fredy Meyers between 9:30 am and 10:00 am ...

1.  Could it be that Kyron was left in the truck when Terri patronized these establishments ... possibly in a drug induced sleep.

2.  Could it be that Kyron was later driven to a hidden location on "the property" where DeDe and and third person were waiting.

3.  Could a transfer have taken place with the third person in the timeframe that neither Terri or DeDe is able to account.

I am just attempting to make sense of what is out there.

Back to cleaning my house.  I can't have weekend company suspecting I spend all my time on the computer.

Later, Janet
2:10 PM PT

Well, when I was a kid I saw Sputnik...........does that count?  ::MonkeyDevil::
But, honestly I don't know a thing..............wish I could help vs. being a smart _______

I can tell you how many F-series trucks are registered in each Oregon county/zip code, but can't drill down to vehicle color...

That sounds very plausable to me.  Easier then getting a child to leave school in someone else's truck.

I wish I had something insightful to add to all of this but just don't at this point.  Just taking it all in. 

You know...I have been on and off the fence so much with this case that I'm starting to get splinters!!!!  The one thing that really bothers me is the time frame.  I know there is the 1.5 hrs that TH was 'driving around with Kitty' before she went to the gym...but even that...is 1.5 hours enough time to do something with Kyron (if she was the one who took him from school)?  I'm sure that's been thoroughly hashed out on here already but I haven't tracked it down yet.

I know this is a long shot but I wonder if fuel receipts have been checked.  I mean, what kind of mileage does a truck like that get?  How full would the tank need to be to leave the house, go to the school, go to the stores, drive around for 1.5 hrs, go to the gym, and then home.  Would there be the chance she would have need to fuel up? 

Obviously Terri and Dede do NOT have Kyron so I am just suggesting we look at associates to maybe find who DOES. Yesterdays research was great, now today.... DERAILED.

http://seamusoriley.blogspot.com/2010/08/dede-spicher-to-people-magazine-part-2.html

Seamus O'Reilly presents another statement analysis on part 2 of the People article.

Please correct me if I have misunderstood:

Jason said he had a ten month relationship with DeDe.  However he said his feelings changed in March and they did not see one another much from then, until August when the break-up became official.

It seems the relationship was not a loving relationship during the months from March - August, since he lost his feelings for her in March and they saw very little of one another during the latter five months?

The glow wore off the pumpkin in a few short months.   ::MonkeyJnBox::

Any chance that Kyron was upset that his Mom & Dad didn't come to the Science Fair and just ran away?
Or a stranger ( Child Predator)saw him upset and told him he would take him to his mom's house?
I looking in a direction where Terri is not involved I don't like to put all of my eggs into one basket.

He comes across as fairly judgemental of DeDe and somewhat contridictory IMO...and after only a few posts, too.  He said at the beginning that DeDe had emotional issues.  Seems to me that he has a few emotional issues, too, especially with respect to DeDe.  He seems like an upstanding type guy; however, wonder why he wants to continue on with dissection of their relationship?  Curious...

I think people wanted Jason to answer questions, and he did some. I personally see no reason to bring up DeDe's lack of exercise and overeating, and her being on unemployment. Many people have weight issues, and gain and lose weight becomes a big part of life. And it certainly shouldn't take away from the person themselves, and that was the feeling I got, and didn't like  ::MonkeyNoNo::

The driving distance between Seattle, WA and Portland, ORis 173 miles.
The driving time would be approximately 2 hours 45 minutes if driving non-stop in good conditions

Oh, my. Look whut I stumbled across. It's a comment on a blog.

"I live in Oregon and I am soundly sick of these two. Terri has failed THREE lie dectector tests and been downright evasive.

"DeDe pleaded the Fifth Amendment several times when she was questioned.

"If you are innocent, if you know nothing then why be evasive? Just who are you helping? Not little Kyron thats for sure.

I'm with Enty, look in the mirror bitches."

http://www.crazydaysandnights.net/2010/08/dede-spicher-is-delusional.html (http://www.crazydaysandnights.net/2010/08/dede-spicher-is-delusional.html)

This is from a blog that is mainly about celebrity gossip with editorial commentary and visitor comments. Consider the source.

This is the first time I have heard that she has actually pleaded the Fifth. Has anyone read or heard this anywhere?

For all of Jason's graciousness, disclosing his intense dislike for DeDe was too close and surprisingly not gracious, IMO.  I hit me off-guard a little.

For all of Jason's graciousness, disclosing his intense dislike for DeDe was too close and surprisingly not gracious, IMO.  I hit me off-guard a little.

I would characterize DeDe to be one on the most intelligent people I have ever met...Kyron is still alive because the DeDe that I knew very well for 10 months would never, NEVER harm a child, she is constitutionally incapable of this. DeDe was raised right and comes from a very good and respected family. I never once heard or saw anything mean-spirited, evil, or dark about DeDe's personality.

Janet,

I agree with your theory.  I am puzzled with the third person. We know the third person likely exists, it is difficult how they fit in.
I enjoyed the dance. LOL
                                            ::monkeydust::

I am sending someone to help you out.  I am sorry, I do not know who created this little maid.

I find that analysis to be very interesting! Among other things DD has said,  I have to call total BS on DD's claim that Terri's parents are asking DD to stay with Terri to try to help protect her.  Please!  That statement in itself makes no sense to me.  If the parents were really afraid of Terri's safety as DD claims, they wouldn't be asking DD to protect her.
And the statement about the fire extinguisher just sounds silly to me.  DD was better off not saying anything, IMHO.  But maybe she got something out of it from People, such as money, or more fame.

Regardless of the driving time, he most likely had an alibi for the time he was in WA.
I'm sure LE would have checked it out.

Nope. No X-Ray satellites yet. The infra rays are for detecting heat sources ... such as humans ... but if the area around has heat ... the trees, the car, rocks, etc ... they will blend together in such a way that nothing can be distinguished. A human on a cool day in a more open area would be easier to find. An on-the-ground search would be better because the tree canopy would be above the subject.

If you are ever the subject of a helicopter search, climb a tree. Beware of bears.

If this is what indeed happened, Kyron being taken in some kind of child trafficking, I personally don't think he will be found. He could be anywhere by now  ::MonkeyNoNo:: Just not sure what to think about that  ::MonkeyNoNo:: I'm going to assume, but don't know, that when things like this happen the chances of finding that person is not very good.

Ok Grey, but if I get caught anyway, am coming after ya!   ::MonkeyTongue::

I do not understand how anyone can say this. There is no way to know what information LE has accumulated in this case. I'm positive that the stranger theory has been investigated, especially since the FBI has been involved since the first day because Kyron disappeared from a school. That investigation was done at the beginning, along with investigating the family. There's a reason they have turned to Terri....and it's because of her actions. She made LE look at her because she was acting guilty right from the start.

Terri Horman and her team from Hell have no reason to keep information from LE unless they are involved in what happened to Kyron. Terri is willing to give up her children in order to save herself, so that tells me right there she isn't a loving parent. If I was innocent, no one would keep me from my children. I would fight tooth and nail for the right to see them and be their parent. The very fact that she's not doing that means she has something to hide. She is sacrificing her own kids right along with Kyron to try and keep herself out of jail. No innocent woman who is a loving mother would go down without a fight. Terri kept her mouth shut about Kyron and lawyered up. That says that she is involved.

I don't think Tony would stand by and let Kyron down if he thought the investigation was on the wrong track. He must believe Terri is involved also.

The only hope I cling to that there's no child trafficking involved, is Jason's sureness that DeDe wouldn't be party to that. Although he could be mistaken. And although I think it's possible that DeDe was involved just on June 4th, a larger part of me thinks that Terri had given her some sob story before then, leaving it to DeDe to make all the arrangements to help her disappear Kyron. I'm giving DeDe the benefit of the doubt here (not Terri though because she couldn't care less IMO) that she wouldn't have been party to killing Kyron or handing him off to human traffickers.
But what if... part of the plan had been to drug Kyron before hiding him, and Terri who had no intention of just doing that, killed him instead. Then called DeDe to say their plan had gone horribly wrong. Saying the drug (possibly from DeDe) killed him instead of just knocking him out. That would explain why DDS won't talk, if she thinks she is equally responsible for his death.

If this is what indeed happened, Kyron being taken in some kind of child trafficking, I personally don't think he will be found. He could be anywhere by now  ::MonkeyNoNo:: Just not sure what to think about that  ::MonkeyNoNo:: I'm going to assume, but don't know, that when things like this happen the chances of finding that person is not very good.

Wyks,
Just send the bear.

I don't think there is much of a chance in finding Kyron because if Terri and DeDe didn't murder him..which I don't think they did..then she had to hand him off to someone else..and what happened after that I am sure she did not want to know.  She had no real money to speak of to pay for a kidnapping nor murder..so the only way this could go was her giving him away to someone else...someone willing to take him no questions asked on either side.

If the LS put her in touch with such people..meaning he told her take him to such and such while he is in a drugged sleep state..someone will meet you there..they will take him...then he would be expecting something for his time and contacts..maybe sex..maybe money.  Which is where the sting came into play..she had already done the sex part of the package, never expecting to have him return for cash.

::MonkeyNoNo:: I sure don't think there is much of a chance either of finding Kyron if he was handed over to someone.

Wyks,
Just send the bear.

::MonkeyNoNo:: I sure don't think there is much of a chance either of finding Kyron if he was handed over to someone.

I didn't really interpret his words as intense dislike; more like a realization that they just weren't right for each other. We kept digging, he kept answering. He seemed to have an overall favorable opinion of her character. His words:

 

The third person would be the pro that LS put Terri in touch with and would have made the transfer very simple and straight forward.  No strings left attached...they would not know him, they would not know Kyron's fate or location..and that is how Terri wanted this to go.

Someone involved in child trafficking would have been more then happy to have a stepmother hand over a stepson..as long as that was the end of her involvement..meaning no names, no questions of rather he would be dead or alive or where he was going to be placed.