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Gosh, my first time at the top

Weee that was fun!

Mind if I join you Babs?  This is a first for me!  Let's find Kyron today!

Of course, the more the merrier........Hey, Hey were the Monkeys,,,,,,,,

This is in response to that other post that was about not wanting to watch the news because it's so depressing;

I am a survivor of quite a few things, having said that; in my own journey to heal myself and lead a mentally healthy life I have done a TON of personal research on the subject of personal injury, child molestations and crimes against children.  Mostly in an effort I suppose to try to UNDERSTAND it and hopefully in understanding it, I could get my mind to go past the various things that have happened to me.

After years of research what I have learned is that crimes against children, (horrific) crimes against children have gone on since the dawn of mankind.  These things have been happening long before you and I were ever even a consideration on the planet.  As long as there are weak and helpless among us, the evil and depraved WILL pray on them.  They watch and wait and in that second that we have our backs turned they strike.  I consider this to be a part of the human condition.

BUT,  The one thing that I have noticed a change in is the child pornography.  This is very much like wiping yourself with a hula hoop it never has an end.  I don't know if the internet made this worse or if because of the internet we are just hearing more about it.  I don't think it's any worse than it ever was it's just that thankfully society demands these people be arrested so they are being caught and those arrests attract media attention and as a result we then think society is going down the drain.

Again I would just like to reinforce that at least these people are being CAUGHT.

As a side note, I would watch anyone that wanted to have a lot of personal contact with vulnerable children overseas from countries that don't have the child abuse laws that the United States has.

LOL!  ::MonkeyCheer4::

This is the thread that will announce this little man has been found and brought home! I know it is! It has to be! Please God let it be

Skidding in on my bum, just in time to say goodnight monkey friends....may tomorrow's light bring us answers.....

southrngrl

hi southrngrl  ::HelloKitty:: I myself have not heard that - BUT ... I'm gunna google it and see if I can find anything on it - will keep you posted

Night AK!  Sleep tight.  I'm hopeing with you and all the other monkeys that we find him soon!

I could see Kaine, with or without Desiree, talking to the press this week about the movement of Kyron's "wall of hope" and the fundraiser he's going to have the first of September.

                             (http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j120/Bearlyhere/Smilies/hiding-1.gif)

 ::MonkeyBath2::

Seems like nothing is happening with this case... Where is Ky?    ::MonkeyNoNo::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::  You guys are cute...sure is quiet, isn't it? 

I know...maybe it's the calm before the storm!  Hopefully, the "storm" is Kyron being found!

Hi Justamoma, I believe your response was directed to my earlier post.  I believe that yes, crimes against children have occurred since way back.  I just believe that it is occurring more due to our environment, ie..drugs, money, unemployment, etc. In regards to child pornography I have no doubt that the internet made it worse.  I am glad that these people are getting caught but so many continue to get out and re-offend.  IMO if a child is hurt intentionally, physically or sexually, throw the perpetrator in jail and throw away the key.  I'm tired of the excuses.

I think plenty is happening behind the scenes that we don't know about.  The Grand Jury being in session is definitely something going on.  It was supposed to be going until Tuesday or Wednesday.

I understand your frustration and I feel it myself.  If there was a way to find that sweet boy and punish those responsible, and the only way they felt sure of it was to keep it close to the vest, I say keep it secret, just get it done!

 ::MonkeyJustice::

Just checking for flying bananas before I come into the cage.

 ::MonkeyWink::

I couldn't help responding.(to Bearly) Better go to bed.   ::MonkeyEek::
God bless Kyron's family and bring him home.  :smt051 :2rofl:
Nite monkeys!

Night Nan!

 :smt006

darn...i always miss the fun..who's throwing them?

KCJackie, what say you?

 :smt117

No one, I hope.

 ::MonkeyCool::

I wish they would give Harry Oakes a scent article.

How cute you guys!  I was wanting to bring something up to show you but was waiting to get into this new cage.  I've been waiting for the school board to post the minutes from their mtg last night but nothing yet.  I was able to look at info from mtgs back on 6/7, 6/21, 7/19 abd 8/9.  Didn't see anything mentioned about Kyron but I was having issues with the computer so I could have missed something.  The website I went to is:  http://www.pps.k12.or.us/departments/board/858.htm
I found the prior mtg info under Regular Board Meeting Books, select "Archived Books".  Then you can search under the dates listed.  It does list employees terminated and grievences against employees , however, no names are listed, only employee numbers.  Please keep in mind that this is for all the schools in the district so involves lots of employees.  Just thought you might want to visit the site.

::MonkeyDance:: Hey Bearly, how are you?

Goodnight all!  I can't keep the eyelids open anymore!  See you in the morning!  Nite Kyron-we're thinking of you.

OHHH!  I so much agree with you!!  In my opinion the laws need to be changed to help the people that are addicted to drugs and not put them in jail.  I would rather see every single person in jail arrested for pot GO FREE to make room for child molesters.

I read once that one in seven girls are victims of molestation.  I use to think I was alone on an island.  I'm betting that many of the people that come on here are victims of abuse in some form or another and I wonder if that's not what draws  us to finding out more about these crimes.

In Kyron's case, since we just don't know what happened to him, I'm still reserving some space for the idea that someone in that school had a hand in this.  I was trying to remember the name of that little girl that was kidnapped right out from the school during some kind of a Christmas party or something and she was kidnapped by the janitor and killed.

In my case, you are correct, that many, many of these freaks are never caught.  Since they are never caught and detected there are NO STATISTICS on them!!  One person who saw fit to change my future was never caught and I was an adult before I ever breathed a word of it.  Another individual showed some friends and I photos in an adult magazine and then exposed himself to one of my friends and we were all so terrified and embarrassed we NEVER told anyone or spoke of it again.  To this day I have fantasies about going back to that town and going through the deed to that house to find out that man's name and then TRACK HIM DOWN and show up at his house!!  By now he's an old man and I'm all grown up!

I guess my point is that there are parents among us that smile and wave and you would NEVER even guess what sick people they really are.  I do believe that the statistics really show that there is a great possibility that one of these sick people worked at the school or was there in some possibility.

Good night!  I"m heading to bed too.  May tomorrow bring NEWS OF KYRON!!

"official" comment I was able to find (dated JUNE 5):
It was unclear when the boy was reported absent. Robb Cowie, Portland Public Schools communications director, said school officials were asked by law enforcement not to comment on any details because it might impede the investigation.
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/search_for_missing_portland_bo.html

Carol Moulton told Oregonlive on JUNE 5:
Carol Moulton said the kids were supposed to report to their classes and be divided into small groups of a few students each. Each group was supposed to tour the science fair with a chaperone. Afterward, when they returned to their classes for roll call, Kyron wasn't there, she said.
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/details_emerge_about_the_day_k.html

the majority of what is on other news sites and investigative type sites online ... is that at "some point" right after 10am June 4th his teacher did roll call and marked him "absent"....NONE of which is in any way "official"  ::MonkeyEek::  (I found nothing as far as "2" roll calls being taken that day, aside from other inquiries same as the one you posed - not to say some info to that affect doesn't exist somewhere in cyberland) 

Catching up here and needed to clear up an apparent misunderstanding from the previous thread. Please pardon me everyone for being somewhat O/T for a few.

Grey- Let me begin by saying, I apologize if you felt attacked.  That certainly wasn't my intention. Actually, I was agreeing with you that parents shouldn't do their child's project.   (Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #23« Reply #770 on: August 24, 2010, 01:35:25 AM »).  As I stated then, it was not my intention whatsoever, to attack or disparage Kyron in any way, shape, or form. Then, I listed the reasons I felt this may not have been primarily Kyron's project, based upon my observations as a teacher. I did not imply anything about Kyron's abilities (or imply a lack of ability), mental, physical, or emotional issues.  I did reference comments made by both Kaine and Desiree in news conferences that they had both recently discussed the importance of listening to and obeying those in authority (they referenced teachers specifically).  Looking at his earlier artwork (which is age appropriate), the Tree Frog project more closely resembles a Fourth Grade+ student's work, which prompted my observations. I have a sibling like you, unusually gifted in art at a young age.  So, I understand how such a person would feel, being accused of having had help with a project.  Bottom line, Kyron's teacher would know if Kyron's project was in keeping with the rest of his work throughout the year or not.  Having had life experiences in which you were falsely accused, I can see where my comment may have offended you and for that, I'm sorry.  Attacking a victim though, is something I would never do...likewise, for other posters...it's against my rules.  :)  Again, I'm sorry if I somehow gave you that impression.

Justamama- Likewise, I meant no offense to Kyron, children who are artistically gifted, or you in particular.  It is much more common to have parental "help" than to have a gifted child, IMO.  Since no one, in their descriptions of Kyron, has mentioned an exceptional art ability, a penchant for order/neatness, a love for drawing, an interest in computers, unusual computer aptitude, etc., the Tree Frog project seemed beyond the capabilities of the average 7 year-old.  Parents, teachers, friends, and family generally tend to mention details like that in their descriptions because it's so emotionally tied to who their child is.  Your love for art was probably mentioned when family and friends described you too, I'm sure.  :)  My sibling is still known by the perfection, attention to detail, and art (many years later-we have one proud mama, don't you know).  LOL!  My apologies, if I inadvertently stepped on your toes.

Justamama- I caught your last few posts and I can relate.  We're still dealing with fallout from a molestation more than 20 years ago.  The sad thing is because our family member won't press charges, the perp has free reign with the new wife (who, surprise-surprise, has a daughter the same age our family member was when she was molested).  No victim really wants to revisit the abuse, but how do you get someone else past that to understand that they are key to stopping it?  I know an inordinately high number of friends victims and few pressed charges...just what a perp counts on.  I look at it this way, I may not have had much control over what happened to me, but I can do something to stop you from hurting the next person.  There's no excuse for abuse.  The problem's been around since at least Noah, but the Internet's made the material more available.  No one necessarily sees you going into that "seedy-looking" store on the rough side of town or that "hole-in-the-wall", for you to be worried about it.  Likewise, there's no cashier you have to face when you pay or other people witnesses when you peruse in the privacy of your home/motel room/friend's house/college dorm room/work office.  Factor in a society where we teach that "if it feels good, do it", moral relativism "if it's right for you, then it's right", and that all important sense of self (self-esteem, self-gratification, etc.), it's easy to see how other people are reduced to objects to be used for one's own pleasure.  Mix in all the provocative and increasingly sexually explicit advertising everywhere (billboards, television, magazines, store ads, MSNBC news, FOX news, scantily clad people of all ages in stores/parks/public places) and it's a disaster waiting to happen.  I am a firm believer in the Old Testament solution: one-strike, you're out of humanity.  Not as a vendetta or vigilante justice (not implying that it was), but it definitely would prevent a second offense.  An irretrievable and irreparable part of the victim was killed, therefore the perpetrator should die.  The idea was both justice and deterrence for others considering it.  JMO 

Time to run!  Take good care, everybody and have a good one!

Good.  U?

I found out yesterday that my granddaughter who is 12 and lives in Florida has to walk the 1.7 miles to school everyday. She has to leave her home at about 6:15 to 6:30 every morning. She can not walk the .3 miles to the bus stop. Because she lives under 2 miles it is the parents responsibility to get her to school. My daughter leaves for work at 4:30 every morning so she can not take her. They are trying to get neighbors together to car pool these kids and all the parents who can't take a turn will pitch in on gas. During this process they have found that their are several sex offenders living within a 2 block radius that are not on the list for some reason. Scares me 1/2 to death.

What a horrible position to put a family in.  It's good that they have located the registered ones and know who they are.  Question is how many aren't on that list so they don't know who they are?

My very first memory as a child was screaming and crying because my mother was going to leave me with my father again while she went somewhere. She didn't understand why I acted like that.  I was molested until I turned 13yo and never told anyone.  Until my brother got married to a woman with a small daughter.  I told her to never, ever leave that little girl with my Father and Mother.  She asked me why and I told her.  She made it a point to get into a conversation in front of my Dad on purpose. No names mentioned and just stated that if anyone ever touched her little girl she would cut his D*** off and watch him bleed to death.
Point taken. She and my brother are the only two people who ever gave me support in my time of need.

God watched over me though because one month before my daughter was born my father died. I made it clear to any men I met that if they ever touched my child they would suffer.

After becoming an adult I was raped and the perp tried to kill me while in the military. I survived the attack if you can call it surviving. Again she was the only person who truly understood. I didn't know how much she and my older brother understood until about a year ago when she had to write a letter stating what she knew had happened and how it all ruined my life so I could get disability.  Let me just say I was shocked when I read her letter.
She really does understand why I'm so scared of people and so untrusting. Why I have my place completely fenced in and patroled by large dogs. I never sleep through a night, I have multiple nightmares still.

I signed a petition to get it on the Oregon ballot for tougher sentences for those who commit sexual crimes. I sure hope we have an opportunity to vote on it in November.

If you live in Oregon please sign this petition if you haven't already.

If you are reading this website and know where our Angel Boy "Kyron" is please do the right thing and bring him home.

I did't know if anyone had read this or not from Blink.  This sure speaks volumes to me knowing she stated this as fact. 

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Newsatfive says:
August 24, 2010 at 12:51 am

@ kuaitzudog says: August 23, 2010 at 5:42 pm
“http://primewriter.com/news-1246-headlines/?p=9084″

@ Blink says:
“Here’s the thing. In a situation where it is emergent, God forbid, a family member- without hesitation, I am taking one. That said, I caution all to keep in mind, in some instances, a poly is fallible, and frankly, useless imo, once you get to ‘degrees of separation’ witnesses. LE loves them because they subscribe to their “exclusions”. They are a powerful investigative tool, no doubt.”

IMHO (and only “MHO”), LE might use a polygraph to exclude an individual. On the other hand, LE might also use a poly to launch the inquisition.

From the perspective of a witness/suspect/person of interest, the polygraph can only hurt you. If LE can’t make you talk, but once you begin talking, you make yourself vulnerable in a million ways.

That said, I’m with Blink: If any of my peeps were missing, I would run to the police station and take a polygraph first thing. I’d also gather everyone I know and make sure that everybody in town — from the chamber president to the homeless guy who panhandles by the freeway — was looking for my loved one.

I cannot imagine any family member staying home instead of beating down every door in town. I have to believe there is more to the story about what went down the day Kyron went missing. Otherwise, DH and KH would have been on the street assisting in the search.

I will tell you what it is. This case was believed to be a kidnapping for ransom out of the gate.
B

http://blinkoncrime.com/2010/07/26/kyron-horman-missing-and-endangered-grand-jury-meets-indictment-imminent/comment-page-62/#comments

http://www.kptv.com/news/24748481/detail.html

Skyline Elementary Gearing Up For School Year
Meeting With Parents Planned For Sept. 2

POSTED: 3:47 pm PDT August 24, 2010
UPDATED: 7:23 pm PDT August 24, 2010

PORTLAND, Ore. -- Administrators at Kyron Horman's grade school shared a plan Tuesday to help students readjust to school life while the investigation into the 7-year-old's disappearance continues.

Skyline Elementary School in rural northwest Portland opened Monday for the first time since June to allow families to register new students. The school year kicks off Sept. 7.

Principal Ben Keefer said he is meeting with Skyline parents on Sept. 2 to address safety concerns and answer questions. There will be a safe room set up in the school, Keefer said, and he's working with the Portland Public Schools crisis team to handle ongoing concerns.

School leaders and Kyron's biological parents are also working on moving the Wall of Hope, a sprawling collection of gifts and letters for the boy, so it won't be a distraction for students or attract strangers to school grounds.

"None of us thought it would go on this long," Keefer said.

Soon after Kyron disappeared, the school became the epicenter of the largest search effort in state history. Multnomah County deputies leading the investigation have also held numerous news conferences at a church located near the school.

Deputies said Kyron was last seen by his stepmother, Terri Horman, after an early morning science fair. No one was been named a suspect or person of interest in the criminal investigation.

Update In Case

The sheriff's office said Tuesday they have received 3,700 tips and they continue to follow leads. Anyone with information about the missing boy is asked to call 503-261-2847.

Detectives didn't provide other updates, but Kyron's parents said they might hold a news conference later this week.

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          Re: Jason Name Redacted - DeDe's ex boyfriend would like clear some things up
« Reply #403 on: August 21, 2010, 02:21:44 AM »   Quote

Quote from: Justamama on August 21, 2010, 02:18:50 AM
Quote from: Bearlyhere on August 21, 2010, 02:11:32 AM

Jason, is your father a child pornographer?



FIVE GOLD STARS for you!!  I've asked this same question and he completely ignores it.  Time for a good old fashioned YES or NO.
No on that question. I hope my answer to that leads to Kyrons location. It must link to it somehow.......Hmmm..


http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8387.400

The principal's quote is interesting - "none of us thought it would go on this long"???

Lazydog1    My heart goes out to you. My rapists earned the nickname "full moon rapist". After 30 years I can still not look at a full moon without thinking about this. Hang in there hon. I am sorry that you are going through all of this still. I know that it makes us stronger, but damn it is hard getting there.

Lazydog1, I can't find the words to tell you how truly sorry I am for what has happened to you in the past.  My wish is that your future is golden!  May angels always surround and protect you.

OMG, Lenie, you too?  Bless you!  May angels surround and protect you, also!  I'm so sorry!

I am not looking for sympathy. I just want people to know that in alot of cases I have now heard about children don't tell.  I recently learned that a childhood friend's sister commited suicide as an adult because of her Father.  I was shocked!  I never knew this was going on in their home. 

I will say this.  In my own family there were those who followed suit and paid the price. Then there were those who went extremely the other direction.  I have also learned it went back many generations. 

I only pray that Kyron hasn't suffered any of this abuse.  I think when someone is found guilty beyond a shadow of a doubt and there is a chance they will re offend they should be permanently removed from society.  This includes anyone who has commited any kind of sexually motivated crime.  Not just against children.   

I pray everyday that our little man will be found safe and alive.  I do however have a hard time believing it. 

Also I believe many crimes are commited by women against boys that are never reported. It isn't just men who commit these crimes of horror.

Was Terri Horman fully aware the time was on her side?

Janet

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Kyron Horman search may have suffered from confluence of delays
Published: Saturday, June 12, 2010, 9:02 PM
Updated: Thursday, July 15, 2010, 2:46 PM

Once notified, Multnomah County authorities responded swiftly, but crucial hours already had been lost, Sheriff Dan Staton said.

"This is what is hugely disturbing to me," he told The Oregonian on Saturday. "The fact that you had a child in school and the last time the child was seen is at 9 in the morning -- there are concerns about that lag time. ...."

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/kyron_horman_search_may_have_s.html


Sources: Terri Horman vague on Kyron’s doctor appointment date
Story Published: Jul 21, 2010 at 7:11 PM PDT
Story Updated: Jul 21, 2010 at 8:38 PM PDT

PORTLAND, Ore. - There was no expectation on the part of Skyline School that Kyron Horman would be in class after the science fair the day he disappeared, according to multiple sources.

Prior to his June 4 disappearance, Kyron Horman’s stepmother, Terri Horman, informed his teacher he had a doctor’s appointment on Friday, the sources said, and it was why there was no expectation Kyron would be in class after the science fair. Once class began at 10 a.m., his teacher marked him absent.

http://www.katu.com/news/local/98981009.html

Does any monkey know what time the divorce thingy is taking place today?

Hello, Scatty,
I believe I read 3PM Pacific

Thanks!

Jason did answer.

Janet

++++

You go Kaine.  I hope he finds out where all that money came from.  I can't imagine the Judge would grant TH visitation unless she actually shows up for the hearing and testifies as to why she deserves it.  Then Kaines attny can ask her questions under oath. 

So who thinks this will happen today?  Not me. 

By the way I just want to say if you look at my avatar you will see my beautiful daughter and her little brother.   ::piggy::   By the way he takes after his father not me.   ::MonkeyHaHa:: Oh and she is no longer a little girl. Happily married and very capable of defending herself against bullies.  I saw to that.   ::rhino::

LazyDog and all who have the abuse histories - my heart goes out to you as well. I think the statistics are more like 1 in 3 girls or even 1 in 2 if you add sexual harassment, a bit less for boys. Please remember there is help out there if you are ready for it. If you find the right person, you can deal with it at your own pace and some people specialize in trauma. There are even people who do phone counseling if you live in the boonies. There are inexpensive resources in the big cities too.
Yes, the Internet is unfortunately fueling the pornography boom, and is the largest business on the Internet, all together. There really should be organizations to help with children around schools. I like the idea of the living school bus, where neighbors get together and go around and walk all the kids to school, can't remember where this was. but I read about it somewhere. That's the village! Of course there are baddies in every village, many unfortunately off the radar of the so registries.
As far as foreign countries (I  am think mainly SE Asia) they are chock full of sex industry, including young kids. People who have been there (Cambodia and Thailand is what I have heard) see old men with young women all the time. I guess some of the women want the money for their families and sometimes guys do marry these women.It's all horribly sad and disgusting. And now we are learning it is happening here too, very sad.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

I agree.

Janet

In early intervention, I lead a group of parents with children with special needs and some of them had special medical needs who really had little hope of their child surviving.  Some of the babies (birth to three) did pass, so you can imagine, we all knew things about each other that many others did not.  One parent had been abused by her father and brother (raped repeatedly) and when she told her mother, her mother said, some families just do this.  She ended up with multiple personality disorder.  

She had a son, in her home when she found poems written by her husband that fantasized about male children and having sex with them.  The couple went to a psychiatrist who said, as long as these are just fantasies, it is fine.

 ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek::

She was determined that her son was not going to lead the life she had.  She took him and moved to a different state where she moved in with her Mom (and was terrified because even though her father and mother had divorced, he and her brother still visited the mother).  The mother was not totally in her right mind and for some reason had a non-working refrigerator in her apartment.  She was penniless and terrified to leave her child at home to go to work.  She called me from this place several times after she left the area.  She never trusted men again.

Stories surround us and I also hope angels surround and protect all of the abused.

http://www.koinlocal6.com/content/mediacenter/default.aspx?videoId=17752@koin.web.entriq.net&navCatId=156

This video discusses Trafficking along the I5 Corrider and a Child Trafficking conference held in Portland.
short video.

http://www.kgw.com/news/Kaine--Terri-Horman-expected-in-court-today-101470199.html

Kaine and Terri Horman expected in Court today

I have been trying very hard to control my temper on this issue and I really think  I'VE HEARD ENOUGH NOW about my post to him.

For some reason you all forget that 'Bearlyhere' asked the question.

On the other thread dedicated to Jason, this has been hashed and RE HASHED again and again and despite the fact that I openly and publicly apologized, you folks just WON'T LET IT GO.  WHY is that?

I'll tell you what, I'm standing by my original suspicions of Jason, I think he's odd.  I think he's someone that I would really want to have a good hard look at and after what he posted, based on my personal experience in the school of life I would want to know EVERYTHING about him.

I'm not the only person saying this, I see many posts about his 'peanut head' on here and no one seems to take that as offensive??  I personally think trashing the way someone looks is MUCH more offensive than questioning what he said about his remarks linking to Kyron's location.

In the end this just leaves me confused.  I see nasty remarks that go untouched but yet my post just keeps getting hammered.  I had such high hopes for this place and now I'm beginning to stand back and really wonder.

Check out a few other crime sites and read through the comment section on some of these news sites and you will see that there are MANY, MANY other people SERIOUSLY wondering about Jason's role in this situation.  Not just me.  If wondering about a cryptic strange message posted by someone who dated a woman that is connected to the disappearance of a seven year old boy is wrong then by God I'll stay wrong.  Good grief.

Justamama  I have odd feelings about Jason also, just can't exactly pinpoint and put it down in words. I really have to say that I'm not sure if that is his father who was arrested on child porn. Do we know that for sure?

Janet, I feel like I'm out on the lake standing on melting ice in the spring and don't know which way to go.  There seems to be an underlying current here and I can't get a handle on it.  Apparently because this man came on here he is immune to investigation. My personal opinion is that he placed HIMSELF in the spotlight willingly, he posted on and on about his relationship with DeDe and went so far as to have a rambling letter about his relationship with her PUBLISHED with a news agency.

TO ME?  That makes him worth a second, third and fourth look.

So far, I haven't seen any of the men who are even closer to the fire publishing these types of letters or posting on the internet.  I don't see Terri Horman's ex husbands on here going on and on about their lives with Terri.

I most likely wouldn't even have had the issue I had with Mr. Jason had he not taken this very public opportunity to write his personal, ONE SIDED observations about DeDe without giving her the due respect to be on here to defend herself.  I take great issue with that.

I   don't know for sure.

I do know this, I am a survivor of abuse.  I also am an advocate of not accusing people of things unless I know the facts especially as it comes to allegations of sexual abuse because as any other survivor knows it is an act that happens when you are ALONE with that other person and often it becomes a matter of who is believable.

To wrongly accuse someone of this very horrible crime is to place someone in a position of great difficulty in defending themselves in a court of law.

That said, I didn't randomly choose Mr. Jason out of the crowd and start picking on him.  By his own admission he is an odd ball in that he's a single man with no children of his own and he has taken on the cloak of a child advocate in which he makes this issue VERY, VERY public in his own work as a fence builder.

If he wasn't connected to the situation with Kyron I would have written him off as an oddball long ago and moved on.  Actually I myself HAVE moved on but this subject with my post to him just keeps re-surfacing.

I don't know what to make of it or what to do with is.  I have apologized to him.

I apologized in a public way on here for all to read.

I personally think he's using my interaction with him on here as an excuse.

He posted ON AND ON  about how when Kyron comes home it will be a celebration like no other, that a GROUP of people conspired to take Kyron ect...ect...well these kinds of posts just BEG to be questioned.

*sigh.

Has this been posted?
 the drawing creeped me out.
It is from 8-18   and w/ regard to a molester in Beaverton
http://beaverton.katu.com/content/did-you-see-man-around-beaverton-monday

::MonkeyAngel::  I cannot argue with anything you have said. I have a gut feeling on Jason, and I'm uncomfortable with him. And certainly if someone is being accused of such horrific deeds and they are not guilty, that makes me ill, and I am talking about anyone being accused. You have apologized to him, what more can you do? Nothing.

I typically don't respond to these types of posts' because this thread is about Kyron. It's very easy for emotions to run high when a child is missing and we're at a standstill.

Justamama - I don't think there is any monkey here that doesn't respect you. You give a lot to this forum. I agree with you about the subject being rehashed when it should have ended. Hopefully this will end now. I think maybe you should take a nice bubble bath and a glass of wine and relax. It's got to be 5:00 somewhere!  ::MonkeyAngel::

Now let's find Kyron!  ::MonkeyAngel::

We should start a survivor thread but it would be too depressing to read.

Each time I was pregnant I PRAYED to have a boy.  I didn't want girls because of all the things that had happened to me.  God in his good and wonderful grace saw fit to answer my prayers.

We share so many of the same after effects.  I have talked so openly about my experiences that I have been asked to become a speaker on this subject.  I'm not ready.

I too am on the 'defense mode' ALL THE TIME.  My guard is never let down.  We react this way because while other little children were busy thinking daddy was the all seeing all knowing protector, ours was busy at home robbing us of the very security children should have.  This vulnerability will never go away because we learned the HARD WAY not to trust.

Not to trust the ONE PERSON on the FREAKING PLANET that was suppose to protect us.


I have written before that these people are everywhere.

If there were truly 300 people in that school that day, STATISTICS say that there were at least a few pedophiles in attendance as well.

You are such a good and kind person.  ::MonkeyAngel::  thank you so much.  It's this exact attitude that drew me to this board to begin with.  I should have taken the high road but my personal GPS was broken...getting back on track now... ::MonkeyBike::

I'm heading off into my day.  You all have a great one and let's hope that today is the day that we here positive news about Kryon.

Justamama

I apologize.  Life beckoned outside the computer room and ... I did not have a chance to respond to your post.

I have concerns regarding what was the underlying reasons that Jason inserted himself into the case.

Think about it.  If Jason had been contacted by the media ... all he would have had to say was that he had not seen his former girlfriend in over a year and ...the DeDe he knew would never harm a child.  The dynamics of the relationship and ... his speculations regarding Kyron's homecoming were irrelevent.

IMO

Have a good day.

Janet

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REMINDER

DeDe Spicher's former boyfriend describes Terri Moulton Horman's friend as a 'high-energy, dynamic' person who changed dramatically
Published: Wednesday, August 18, 2010, 4:30 PM
Updated: Thursday, August 19, 2010, 2:36 PM

I met DeDe Spicher in late September of 2008 at the Rock Creek Campus of PCC in chemistry 100 lecture and lab class taught by Dr. Harry Davis. She completed the Portland Marathon during the first couple weeks of class and my first discussion with her was regarding this event. I was impressed with her high intelligence, energy and straightforward matter-of-fact attitude. I had returned to school in the spring of 2007 at the University of Phoenix in Tigard for Criminal Justice and had transferred to PCC for a health then a chemistry class and had achieved a 4.0 GPA the entire time. I realized after the first two weeks of class that I may lose my GPA with this chemistry class and hooked up with DeDe as a study partner. I spend many hours with her, and with other students outside of class in independent study groups.

I found DeDe to be a very unique individual in that she was extremely neat and clean and very organized. You could eat off her garage floor it was so clean. I discovered that that at age 42, she never had a boyfriend or any children. DeDe also participated in the Centurion bike ride in 2008 and was in very good physical condition. She worked in Tigard as a receptionist and she invited me to her company Christmas party in December 2008.

Her daily routine was to get-up and work-out very early in the morning, go to work and then come to school. I only saw DeDe in make-up once in the 10 months I knew her. She would prepare all her meals on Sunday and place them in Tupperware containers for the rest of the week. She had a very strict diet and ate 5 small healthy meals per day.

I met DeDe’s Mother in the spring of 2009 when she came up for a visit with DeDe. I almost met her Dad when he came up to Portland for some sort of training for his position as a reserve officer with the Klamath County Sheriff’s office. She talked of her brother who reportedly had a tree service business and a shop where he bought and sold cars and had restored old muscle cars. She was very close with her family and talked of them much. I came to the conclusion that she had a very good family and was raised right.

I was told that when DeDe came up to Portland from K-Falls after she graduated in 1984, she moved in with her Aunt in the Helvetia area. She reported that her cousins with this Aunt became like siblings to her. She worked at a hospital then eventually got an apartment off cedar hills blvd. in Beaverton.

DeDe told me that in about 1994, she went to live in Japan to teach English.  She is familiar with the Japanese language as a result.

I want to reiterate that DeDe presented to be of very high intelligence and when inspired, possessed great drive and determination.

I can’t recollect her mentioning Terri or Kaine’s name during the time I knew her.

She did tell me repeatedly that I was going to be the last man in her life and if it didn’t work out with us, that she would never pursue another man again, and I believed her.

In the winter of 2009, we became so close, that we had discussed marriage.

DeDe had many casual friendships and communicated with some of these people on Twitter. DeDe got laid-off from work sometime in January of 2009.

Prior to this, she claimed that she could get another job at the snap of her fingers. But when she did get laid-off she took her neighbors advice and just lived off unemployment. When she got laid-off and went on unemployment, her personality did a 180 degree turn and she did not take any more classes, completely stopped working out and riding her bike and diet went out the window. This sudden and dramatic turn of events in her life was a turn-off for me and I lost respect for her. She would just talk to her friends on the phone and have little luncheon get-together’s with her friends almost daily.

DeDe told me she previously served on the HOA board where she lived. After going on unemployment, she contemplated going back and serving on the board again.

I tried to discourage her from committing to this as it was unpaid and she was opening a dysfunctional can of worms that was a needless vacuum of time for her when she should be getting back on track with her life.

The event that threw a cold, wet blanket on our relationship was that sometime in the early spring of last year she came to me with some drawings for 4 planter boxes and four stands with exact measurements and materials to be used. At that time the economy had tanked and I was working for almost nothing, I was eating top-ramen and day-old bread money was so tight. She wanted me to buy this material and assemble these 8 items free of charge. It took about $200.00 in material and about 20 hours time to complete what she wanted. I was slow in getting everything to her as I was working 15 hour days while she was sitting at home collecting unemployment. It was like she was demanding a $1200.00 gift from me and I was not acting fast enough. She even said that she was going to finish it on her own if I didn’t deliver it fast enough. This was a very huge turn-off for me and after I delivered everything, I backed off substantially.

DeDe decided to serve on her HOA board again

and this distanced us even further.

I basically lost respect for her and just did my child advocacy work and worked every day trying to stay in business.

I could not afford the money or time to continue my criminal justice degree last year.

I could not believe the total change in DeDe’s personality in such a relatively short amount of time.

Never once did I see or hear her say anything mean or evil, even at the end of our relationship on or about August 1, 2009.

I am convinced today that DeDe Spicher would have no part of harming anyone, let alone a little boy. I believe that she would have no part of hiding a dead body. She knows right from wrong and has a good constitution.

I ask myself why DeDe would become involved with Terri and risk her reputation and freedom and possibly engage in multiple felonies in connection with Kyron’s disappearance. What would make someone’s friendship bond so close that they would risk everything?

Last year Terri Horman was not that close of a friend of DeDe’s otherwise I would have remembered her name.

I suspect that sometime after we broke-up on August 1st, 2009, DeDe reconnected with Terri and Terri found DeDe to be a good listener, provided sound feedback and possibly provided each other with emotional respite. This cultivated to gaining DeDe’s trust and support.  Terri Horman has been described as very intelligent and I read where she had earned a Master’s degree.

Terri may have told DeDe some story that Kyron was in danger and that Kaine was a bad dad and husband and that she needed to find a safe place for Kyron for a few days while she was dealing with Kaine in some way that would produce a long term solution. Some close variation of this scenario is plausible.

On and before June 4th, there was no frame of reference to how big and serious the public and law enforcement would take Kyron’s disappearance.  Little did they realize that they would be up against the collective knowledge and united resources of law enforcement of the post nine-eleven era. It was just everyday life for DeDe at this point in the game.

If DeDe is indeed involved, she probably thought she was helping protect Kyron and that she was somehow doing an act of child advocacy as well as helping a friend get out of a bad and unsafe situation.

I believe in my heart that Kyron is still alive and stashed at a safe house.

The DeDe that I knew very well for 10 months would have no part of harm to a child or getting rid of a body, no way.

Adding to my belief that Kyron is still alive is the nature of the implications of what must have happened for Kyron to be killed and buried. This is a series of events that is so unimaginably evil in nature, not even Ted Bundy, Charles Manson or John Wayne Gacy were that evil late into their murder careers. They never killed a 7 year old innocent child that just moments previously was smiling proudly for the camera with his science project.

That level of evilness is so egregious that it would have manifested itself in some way previously. This is a step way beyond trying to recruit someone to kill your husband. To extinguish the life from an innocent and tender boy under this scenario is way beyond reasonable comprehension. Then to go about your routine and act surprised when the kid is not on the bus, and act like a distraught Susan Smith for the media and law enforcement? I just fail to believe that this happened, God would not allow it.

The question is then presented as to why DeDe would act the way she did following June 4th? A possible answer is that she was acting on principal and being loyal to a “goodfriend”, not having any frame of reference of what was to develop and how serious this case got so fast.

DeDe is an intelligent and head strong woman.

I never exchanged bad, ugly or disrespectful words with her.

If ever a woman is going to “lose-it” it will most likely be at the break-up stage. This never happened. She even carefully mailed back my Hood to Coast run photo I gave her.

I have no media experience and now regret doing some television interviews.

I am a child advocate who has more volunteer time helping endangered and displaced Multnomah county children than any other man out there. I care more than anyone can realize and pray hard for Kyron’s safe return. I know in my heart that law enforcement will be successful and bring Kyron back home, and hold all those responsible for his disappearance to account for their actions in court. We will see this happen, I have no doubt.

I will continue to ask God to guide and direct the investigators to Kyron’s location

Respectfully submitted on this 18th day of August, Twenty-ten

Jason Name Redacted

http://media.oregonlive.com/portland_impact/other/jasonw.pdf

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/08/dede_spichers_former_boyfriend.html

It's been quiet in here the past few days and I think it has been mainly because we don't have any new leads. I firmly believe "leaving no stone unturned". I don't want to see the search for Kyron go cold so I'm going to comment on the video that Deenie posted yesterday on the other thread.

One thing that stood out to me was Walmart VB165. When I googled it, the answer was a 52" freezer that can be purchased from Walmart and only weighs 100lbs.. So it's like a freezer you would put in a dorm room. My question is: Would SAR dogs pick up a scent if he is in a freezer and buried in the ground?

I pray he is just stashed but we have to look at other possibilities.  ::MonkeyAngel::

Justamama - I think you are being overly sensitive to posts and misreading posts you think are attacking you when they aren't.  

That said I created a special thread for Jason so he could talk about the case and we could listen.  I certainly don't want the main Kyron thread turning into an argument about Jason.

It will not end for me until it is revealed that ... in the process of elimination ... investigators have questioned and eliminated Jason Name Redacted as a person of interest in the Kyron Horman case.

Janet

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You are probably right.  I do tend to be defensive.  (Too use to being attacked on another *board* planet!) it's as if I have come here from a great war zone.   I am trying to rid myself of these traits and realize that I'm with group of different people.  I'll keep working on it.

I'll stay off the Jason thread out of respect for you all.

I will leave you with this thought though...

Suggested reading on the "Hero Complex"


"Criminologist Michael Rustigan told The New York Times that in such cases the individuals are driven by their egos and a lack of accomplishment: “They’ve fallen down, and they now want to be heroes.” He theorized, “They are a manifestation of our culture’s obsession with fame.”

http://www.findingdulcinea.com/news/Americas/2009/March/Hero-Complex-to-Blame-in-NY-Arson-Fire.html

Hey Janet!  ::MonkeyAngel::  I was talking about her feeling attacked, not the content.  ::MonkeyTongue::

Klaas - I sent you an email!  ::MonkeyWink::

sassifrass

I do believe that I need that nice bubble bath and a glass of wine and relax ... the advice you suggested to Justamama.  Hey ... I don't even drink and ... it is only 9:40 AM here in the Fraser Valley of British Columbia.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Have a good day.

Janet

I've been doing a lot of Googling this morning on this subject and there is a lot of interesting information being posted out there.  (That's where I got that other information).

Kind of like when the light bulb was patented, there was more than one person with the same idea.  Interesting to read.

Now, I really do have to get up from this chair!

 ::MonkeyAngel::

Wyks! -  ::MonkeyAngel::  Love, love, love, your new avatar! Is that a banana margarita?  ::monkeymargarita::

Meh.  LOL  Drop some fruit in it and call it brunch.   ::monkeymargarita::

Thanks sassifrass!   ::monkeymargarita::  My avatar is a banana margarita, yeppers!  It was new at the beginning of this summer, CBB made it for me, isn't she wonderful!  I was taking a break from avi's for a bit. 

Hi Sassifras, I somehow must have missed a post...as I didn't see anything about Walmart VB165...would you be able to tell me where I can find that? I do believe that if someone was buried in a freezer that search and rescue dogs could find them. The reason is because they can find people in water, underneath concrete slabs, and just about anywhere. I'm not 100% sure on the freezer, but I think so.

Hi nana0567! It was a post that Deenie made. It links you to a video. http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8399.840 (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8399.840) #858

Thanks Sassifras!  ::teddybear::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Hi NoRose & Monkeys,  TraceyGirl I am waiting for my Whiskey:)

The Wolf in Sheeps Clothing?

He visited here to glean information, betcha, for his writings.  He is somewhere else gleaning more info. IMO

He sure could be doing that, I don't know why though  ::MonkeyNoNo::

For something different and off topic:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IALJXP8LaS4

Who says monkeys Don't Rule?

MonkeyKing :flower:

Thank-you, LOL.    ::MonkeyHaHa::    Hysterically funny, OMG!

Brought over from other thread.

Hi all!  Been catching up since earlier today.  I was looking at other pages on SM and came across something I hadn't seen before.  Originally posted by JessStar.

A NATION wide petition asking for a ONE STRIKE LAW for child sex offenders! As parents, grandparents, aunts & uncles, we need to take a minute and sign our names!! How can anyone disagree??

Put in your zip code at the beginning & it will pull up your representatives & emails are sent to them on your behalf!!
http://www.rallycongress.com/one-strike-for-sex-offenders/2961/go/ 

Found it here: 
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=7486.0

You can edit the letter and I added 2 sentences.  When I sent it I was told I was 1 of 6 in my state to participate.  I will forward to others in my State.  Free and just takes a minute.
_______________________________________________________________
 
My family and myself signed it and forwarded to everybody we know.  How do you tell how many in your state signed it?

My heart and prayers go out to all of you who have shared such personal stories. You are such strong people to have over come such hardship. you have my unending admiration.

http://www.katu.com/     On their banner it says Terri will be escorted into the courthouse by sheriffs for today's hearing.

hey monkeys, i noticed everyone is drinking more, i guess wyks is at it 24/7,
with her new avi,LOL i think ill indulge too  ::monkeywine2::
this case will drive you to drink
back to kyron,if TH had anything to do with kyron missing,, a thought
or 2 where he could be, sorry worst case scenario,it has been 81 days
TH had very little time, for burying him,plenty of time too.........

so i got to thinking about the time limitations, i had done a map and time
line here
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8399.msg1214214#msg1214214

so where could you put a body, for a long long time, with out it be discovered
and not take long to get there,and hide it and no one see, what your doing
i came up with a Self Storage unit, ive not looked at any of the properties
yet
map to Self Storage beaverton
http://tinyurl.com/2bvpyez

one time a buddy rented a garage, to store his summer car in
and in this garage was an old stand up side by side freezer,fridge
not plugged in,he wanted to put his harley there too, so had to
move the fridge,to the far back of garage, while moving it the
freezer door opened, i gagged, there was about 10# of meat in
it, that was rotted, and covered in green slime and fur, couldnt
 smell it till the door opened, he had been renting about 2mounth
at that point

Monkey King

Thank you.  I laughed and laughed and laughed.

I wish I had a video camera handy the other day.  Our sixteen year old golden retriever was lying on the grass about three feet away from a pail of dry food and a pail of water.  Blue Jays were darting back and forth from a nearby tree to the pail of dry food ... taking a piece away with each trip.  Brandi watched the whole scene without budging.  A few were even affording themselves a drink from the other paid.

Since when did birds rule when it comes to a retriever.

Janet
 

 ::monkeymargarita:: how about a nice refreshing maggie instead! We need a monkey with a whiskey bottle!

Does anyone else keep having dreams about this case? I do, everynight I will have a dream. There have been a few cases that I have dreamed about, Sandra Cantu, Amber Dubois, Shantina Smiley and now Kyron.

Last night I dreamed he was heading off to class just like what Terri had said when Kyron told her he forgot his lunch at home. Terri became so upset with him and told him he was going to have to leave and get it  and will have to be tardy, that she would not bring it back to him, he needed to learn. In the long truck ride home she was just yelling at him, calling him names and he was crying. She told him to stop crying now or he would be sorry. She let him out of the truck, gave him the house key and told him to get his lunch and hurry it up, but he had problems with the key in the door and couldn't open it so she went after him. She grabbed the key out of his hand, opened the door and she followed him inside the house, continuing to scream at him. She pushed him to get him to hurry up, he fell to the ground and she just started to slap him and slap him and then began to strangle him, until he became lifeless. I woke up at that point screaming NOOOOO, I could hardly breath and I was shaking. The stress of this case is so difficult at times isn't it? I pray Kyron is ok and that my dream was not anything near what happened to him.

Thank you, NRCG!  I have been watching for updates all day................did not see this.
Pat

Tracygirl

I was told as a child that I could always trust an adult if a situation arose where there was not an assigned caregiver.  I can honestly say that adults never let me down.  I did not have a clue until I was well into my teens that an adult male could be sexually attracted to a child.

However ... there was an incidence in my daughter's life.  She was ten years old ... attended a Christian school.  She complained for about a couple of weeks that she did not want to go to school on the bus.  She would not initially give a reason.  I told her the the bus service was a God-send and get use to it.  Prior to forming a car pool ... driving back and forth twenty miles was where it was at for the past five years.  Forty miles a day.  Anyways ... one night she came into our room in tears and it all spilled out.  The bus driver who was also a teacher made her uncomfortable.  As soon as she boarded each morning and afternoon ... she was separated from friends and was instructed to sit in the seat behind him while he talked to her.  At school if the opportunity presented itself ... he would put his arm around her shoulder and whisper that she was his little girlfriend.  Considering there was a "no physical contact" rule between teachers and students ... my daughter realized that what may have appeared harmless to some was not right.  In other words ... she had every right to feel uncomfortable.

To this day I feel so guilty for dismissing her complaints regarding the bus without making a effort to find out what it was all about.

I immediately contacted the school.  A meeting was where it was at.  The teacher did not deny my daughter's accusations.  It was one month prior to the end of the school term and ... this teacher did not return in September.  I was not privy to what went on behind the scenes.

Janet   

Your welcome

Or I can play a game of football with you... ::MonkeyFootball::
Or I can do a cartwheel!  ::cartwheel::
Or perhaps you are in the mood for chicken?  :smt117
Or a pretty blue flower, would that be nice! :flower:
I can draw a nice bubblebath for you!  ::MonkeyBath2::
We can go back to our childhood and I can clean your room!  ::monkeydust::

hmmm I just can't find a whiskey icon

 ::MonkeyShocked::

Bless her heart to finally be able to come to you.  That says alot about her parents. 
"my incident' happened in Convent School.......................but I have never acknowledged it till this very moment...............
and..........that moment is now over.........so back to Kyron.
I am not sure why, but I am 'nervous' about this hearing today............Kyron has really impacted me........I can't describe it. 
TracyGirl, your dream about did me in.........as I have wondered about something close to that happening to Kyron. 
I have read ABOUT  other children:  Caylee, Shania, HC, and on and on back to 1965 when a girl in my hometown was found dead by our 'our' tennis courts at the park.    Kyron is different for me.  It don't read 'about' him.  I feel him.

I'm going to guess it is for her own safety.

 ::MonkeyAngel::

That was a nightmare! I had 2 separate dreams in one night that Kyron was found alive. I hope they come true. Kyron will be found.

Tolerance what does that mean exactly, can you expand on that ,say a little more

Tamikosmom, School is supposed to be a place we are allowed to trust those incharge of our children. It is not your fault and it is ok to forgive yourself.

Tolerance I have had many dreams about Kyron, a few about him being held somewhere and he was in the dark, one was a child preditor coming up to him at school and luring him outside, this one is actually the first that I can recall anyway, that had such detail about Terri and the only one that I have been soooo shaken by. I am haunted by it today, uggg I hate that.

NRCG you changed your avi? I had no idea that was you!

Hi Monkeys, I have a serious question, I can't remember the first 8 1/2 years of my life my Mother was hurriedly wisked away from our hometown by my Dad's family (no joking)and immediatedly divorced from him.  I was never in contact with him and never given an explanation.  My GGF supposed molested my cousin and it was hush hused and he was and alcoholic.  When my Mom ran from my Dad she moved us in with my GGParents (yes, that one and his wife).  I'm positive my Mom knew nothing of these accusations then.  We lived with them 3 yrs. and then they babysat me some.  This is the time I have no knowledge of.  My middle class fam was the don't ask, don't tell type old fashioned, southern family.  I now am to the point of maybe I need to know the root of some of my problems but so far I've lived a dysfunctional normal life.  I cried so hard for you Monkeys after learning your pain and terror you lived through.  I'm so sorry!  I want to hold you, scream for you, take your pain and throw it away.  Most of all I'd go back in your past and take a hammer to the problems, if you know what I mean.  Knowing what you know now...am I better off not knowing if something terrible did happen as long as I am maintaining and things are pretty good?  Sorry Mods, this is OT but in the same vain and some of our children on the threads have endured some of the same with worse endings.  God rest their soul.  God Bless you too survivors!

Katu.com is reporting that Terri is being escorted by deputies into the court house. Is this for the divorce proceedings?

I assume it is. Dang, it's almost 5:00pm here, must be around 2:00pm there.

My husband told me that I was sobbing in my sleep the other night.  I guess I have been a little obsessed with finding him.  He has touched so many people with his big grin.  I hope your dreams of finding him alive come true, too.

BREAKING NEWS: Terri Horman has been escorted by sheriff's deputies into the Multnomah County courthouse.
From KATU.com

There's a new Walmart commercial on TV, about back-to-school sales.

One of the two boys looks exactly like Kyron.

It gave me goosebumps to watch it.

Nothing profound, CW.
I just feel him..................haven't you ever seen or met someone who you just knew needed to be hugged and loved? who is insecure and yet trying to be what everyone wants them to be? who is lonely and scared .  Who doesn't feel like they are okay?  but deparately wants to be okay?  Someone who would wait in bed for permission to get up?.....  I just feel him.  I can't explain it at all.

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/08/terri_moulton_horman_appears_i.html

snip

Terri Horman wore a black suit and skirt and heels, and sat between her lawyers Stephen Houze and divorce attorney Peter Bunch.


snip

It's 3:00 P.M. here in Oregon right now. What time was she supposed to go to court?

I think Deenie got to me yesterday when she said his grin looked force..It does look like that.

For those of you who do research on this case:
I just saw this posted on IS 
not sure if it means anything.
There is a Bonnie Kisiel posting on the Kyron Facebook Page.
I am not much help in research, but I did see someone on SM post this surname.
Mods, if I should not post this please delete and let me know.
Thanks
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:uM3oF2vm0r4J:www.facebook.com/permalink.php%3Fstory_fbid%3D138163562885249%26id%3D125336750831264+%22bonnie+kisiel%22&cd=23&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

I never noticed it before...but after really looking at the picture I agree and he does look tired.

OY! I hope the rumor that she's too sexy to serve jail time doesn't start flying.

Oh yeah! For divorce proceedings.

Shall we take bets as to where the money (if any) is coming from?

Terri Moulton Horman, focus in stepson Kyron Horman's disappearance, shows for divorce hearing
Published: Wednesday, August 25, 2010, 2:40 PM
Updated: Wednesday, August 25, 2010, 2:57 PM

Terri Moulton Horman made her first public appearance this afternoon since shortly after her stepson Kyron Horman disappeared, accompanied by her lawyers to Multnomah County Circuit Court about 2:35 p.m.

Horman came up through a back elevator and stoically walked past  TV cameras, news photographers, and reporters to a fifth-floor courtroom for a scheduled 3 p.m. divorce-related hearing before Judge Keith Meisenheimer. She and her lawyers were escorted by three Multnomah County sheriff's deputies to the courtroom.

Terri Horman wore a black suit and skirt and heels, and sat between her lawyers Stephen Houze and divorce attorney Peter Bunch.

Her lawyers are consulting with her as they await the hearing.

Bunch has argued in earlier motions that it would be impossible to proceed with divorce-related issues considering the ongoing criminal investigation into the disappearance of Kaine Horman’s son, 7-year-old Kyron, and the “intense scrutiny and speculation” into his client.

But Kaine Horman’s lawyer, Laura Rackner, has countered that Terri Horman is stalling to “avoid possible self-incrimination” in the ongoing law enforcement inquiry into Kyron’s disappearance.

Kyron was last seen June 4 at Skyline School. Terri Horman took him to school that morning for a science fair, and said she last saw him walking to his class about 8:45 a.m. While

On June 28, Kaine Horman filed for divorce and a restraińing order against his wife, two days after authorities told him that a landscaper had said TerriHorman approached him in late 2009 and offered to pay him to kill her husband.

Kaine Horman left the house with their young daughter, Kiara. He has since réturned, forcing Terri Horman out of their home on Northwest Sheltered Nook Road.

Kyron Horman has not been seen since the morning of June 4 when he attended a science fair at Skyline School. No arrests have been made. Terri Horman was the last known adult to have seen the boy.

While authorities have not named a suspect or person of interest, they remain intently focused on Kyron’s stepmother, trying to track her movements June 4, and that of her friend, DeDe Spicher, saying both were unaccounted for during a nearly three-hour overlapping period from about 10:15 a.m. to 1 p.m.

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http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/08/terri_moulton_horman_appears_i.html

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/08/terri_moulton_horman_appears_i.html
snip
While authorities have not named a suspect or person of interest, they remain intently focused on Kyron’s stepmother, trying to track her movements June 4, and that of her friend, DeDe Spicher, saying both were unaccounted for during a nearly three-hour overlapping period from about 10:15 a.m. to 1 p.m.
-- Maxine Bernstein

so TH wasnt at the gym?

Thank you Sea...would love to see actual footage of today.  Wouldn't we all!   What a tense moment when she and KH are finally in the same room.  If I was KH I'd be begging, screaming, pleading with her to give me an answer if she has any.

Newspaper says 3:00pm.

Melisb;

 :smt055     ::MonkeyHeart::

I'm sending this love to you to help you heal.  I realize this is off topic, everyone please accept my apology for this.  Melisb please understand that the reason you can't remember what happened is a COPING MECHANISM.  I learned all about this because I can't remember much from really 1st grade to 6th or 7th grade.  I thought it was NORMAL.  Then as an adult I started to ask other people and found out that no, it's not 'normal'.

In a bad accident people will recount not remembering.  I know of a man who hit a semi with his car.  His airbags saved his life but in the emergency room when he was telling about the accident he said he could remember a landmark along side the road and this was MILES before the accident and that was it, his memory is wiped clean of that accident and all the miles in between.

My understanding is that there's a reason we forget, it's because what happened to us was so bad that we just don't remember.   I had a therapist who wanted to hypnotize me to get me to remember and I said WHY??  If my brain has shut it out who am I to go against what nature wants?

Most of your normal 'dysfunction' probably is learned behavior from high anxiety and being around people who are dysfunctional.  You have never had a 'normal' role model.  Neither have I.

Stay strong, you are a SURVIVOR.

Traceygirl, very creative and funny  ::MonkeyEek:: Thank-you. 
 ::MonkeyHaHa::At least you didn't tell me that I scared Jason away  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Melisb,

"A bad life makes good people better and bad people worse"! You are such a good monkey, a hard life made you a great person.
I don't have one photo of myself as a child, everyone threw my pictures away. LOL.  I must be scarey looking. ::MonkeyHaHa::

Lawyers Meeting In Horman Divorce Case
http://www.kptv.com/news/24762275/detail.html

(http://www.kptv.com/2010/0825/24762450_240X180.jpg)

Thank you very much, but this is the problem: If something did happen I don't want to drive my Mom away.  She lives on the bank of the river d'Nile!  She is all I have left but would be the person who actually put me in harms way.  Do I go for help now or just pray that I never have a flare up with a bad reaction.  Don't know what to do.  All the pain you went through, would you had rather blanked out that time of your life or deal with it.  That is my dilemmma.  Last time I post about it sorry.

Terri Horman arrives at court   
http://www.kgw.com/video?id=101509819&sec=547977

video

Thank you, couldn't remember the addys, says KH didn't attend.  Guess he couldn't stand the sight of her or didn't know she'd show.

Wow, look at Mr. Houze's face!  I think I would want him on my side....he looks like he means business.

Thank you zippidy.

The news article says Terri is there, but Kaine is absent. In the last proceeding Kaine was there, but Terri wasn't.

Kinda like some musical chairs going on.

The lawyers are discussing whether to postpone the divorce hearings until after Kyron's probe is finished.

http://<object height="288" width="470"><param name="movie" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" value="http://www.kgw.com/v/?i=101509819" /><param name="allowScriptAccess" value="always" /><param name="wmode" value="transparent" /><param name="AllowFullScreen" value="true" /><embed type="application/x-shockwave-flash" src="http://www.kgw.com/v/?i=101509819" AllowFullScreen="true" allowScriptAccess="always" height="288" wmode="transparent" width="470"></embed></object>

hope it works

are the contempt of court charges scheduled to come up today?

(http://media.oregonlive.com/portland_impact/photo/terrihormanintocourtjpg-3851bc63d19c7e15_large.jpg)

She doesn't look so glamorous here.

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/08/terri_moulton_horman_appears_i.html

Same photo.

sorry try to load vid didnt work, this is the only site ive had trouble
loading vids
link again

http://www.kgw.com/video?id=101509819&sec=547977

Sea you are a B-E-A-U-T-I-F-U-L Monkey and don't ever second guess yourself.  You couldn't help the idiots in your life.  Shame on them.  I have pics and no memory and my big brown/black eyes are so dead.  I've never even looked in the mirror at my own face.  It's okay.  I have a wonderful hubby whose eyes don't burn me when I see him looking at me and the most wonderful, sweet child on this earth.  Ky remind me of my Son in some way and I don't know what it is.  I just see sweet and innocent in Ky.  My Son is not spoiled by MySpace, FB, foul language, sneaking to look at porno and other things.  I kinda feel like Kyron is the same way.  My baby won't even entertain the attention of other kids trying to get him to do bad things.  He comes to his parents and lets us know.  God has blessed me beyond reason.  I'm sometimes scared because he isn't the normal kid.  Maybe he's missing out some of the fun we all had I dunno.  I feel like Ky is this way too. I still feel that maybe he is young for his age like my Son.

The KGW report says that Kaine is in attendance at the hearing. Don't you love the conflicting reporting.

by KGW Staff
Posted on August 25, 2010 at 7:27 AM
Updated today at 3:19 PM
PORTLAND – Kaine Horman and his estranged wife, Terri Moulton Horman arrived in court Wednesday as part of their divorce proceedings.
Terri, the last person to see seven-year-old Kyron Horman before he vanished on June 4, wants the divorce delayed until after the criminal investigation into his disappearance is completed.
Raw video: Terri Horman arrives
The two arrived at the Multnomah County courthouse just after 2:30 p.m. for the 3 p.m. hearing.
 ::monkeyscissors::

http://www.kgw.com/news/Kaine--Terri-Horman-expected-in-court-today-101470199.html

I know they have another hearing on September 21st, for contempt of court charges.

No wonder I can't keep up, Premie Angel!
Thank you!

Thank you for the answer, IM.

No kidding.

Haven't seen a pic of Kaine, though.

Terri Horman makes Portland court appearance
http://www.katu.com/news/local/101511664.html

(http://media.katu.com/images/082510_terri_horman_back_in_portland.jpg)

http://www.katu.com/news/local/101511664.html?tab=video
Terri Horman makes Portland court appearance

Divorce hearing set for Kyron Horman's dad & step-mom
http://www.kgw.com/news/Kaine--Terri-Horman-expected-in-court-today-101470199.html
Updated today at 3:42 PM

Kaine Horman and his estranged wife, Terri Moulton Horman were granted an October 7 divorce hearing Wednesday.

Terri, the last person to see seven-year-old Kyron Horman before he vanished on June 4, wants the divorce delayed until after the criminal investigation into his disappearance is completed.

At issue were financial questions and an abatement proposal by Terri's lawyers to speed up the case. But a judge ruled the issues would all be addressed at one joint hearing on October 7.

On September 21, a judge will issue a ruling on whether or not Terri was in contempt of court over accusations she unsealed a restraining order earlier in the summer.

Some say that Terri wants to postpone the divorce proceedings because by testifying she can incriminate herself (specially in the murder for hire allegations.)

But, even after Kyron's investigation is over, if she testifies on it later on she can still be charged, unless... is there a statute of limitations on murder for hire?

IMO

What about this "abatement proposal by Terri's lawyers to speed up the case."

Wasn't she trying to delay it? Is there a legal eagle in the houze?

I read it as Terri's lawyers are trying to delay Kaine's efforts to speed up the case.

Must be wierd to see the woman who you thought loved you till you found out she wanted you dead. I wonder if he still has residual feelings for her, since if it wasn't for LE, they'd still be together (unless Kaine was dead by now).

 ::MonkeyEek:: interesting find Tolerance - I think seahorse has some extensive research going on this last name - could be coincidence BUT ya never know

http://www.koinlocal6.com/content/news/topstories/story/Terri-appears-in-court-judge-rules-in-favor-of/nViCK_TU30-UdrOlJmu3Fg.cspx

I wonder why the word "defense" was used... it's a divorce, not a criminal case.

I must be loosening my intelligeance.

:D

Terri appears in court; judge rules in favor of Kaine 
http://www.koinlocal6.com/content/news/topstories/story/Terri-appears-in-court-judge-rules-in-favor-of/nViCK_TU30-UdrOlJmu3Fg.cspx (http://www.koinlocal6.com/content/news/topstories/story/Terri-appears-in-court-judge-rules-in-favor-of/nViCK_TU30-UdrOlJmu3Fg.cspx)

Judge Meisenheimer took only minutes to decide in favor of Rackner and said these issues should not be complicated for the defense to prepare for.

Blanketed by law enforcement and her litigation entourage, which includes Bunch and defense attorney Stephen Houze, Terri Horman left out the back door at Multnomah County Courthouse only 45 minutes after arriving.

 ::MonkeyGavel::

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: oops Itaryl we were on the same page (no pun intended lol)

yah good question ... it is an odd word to use here indeed  ::MonkeyQuestion::

they keep "UPdating" all of these articles it seems  ::MonkeyEek::

updated @ 4:14:

Terri Horman's next court date is Sept. 21 for an alleged restraining order violation. Then on Oct. 7, Judge Meisenheimer will hear divorce abatement and financial inquiry arguments.

http://www.koinlocal6.com/content/news/topstories/story/Terri-appears-in-court-judge-rules-in-favor-of/nViCK_TU30-UdrOlJmu3Fg.cspx

(http://www.koinlocal6.com/media/lib/107/7/c/1/7c1f3d06-46e2-429a-8c58-f0656080874a/Story.jpg)

Consider the source. News media writing the story in a hurry. Poor choice of a word to use.

Thank-you, Tolerance.  :flower: 

http://www.kptv.com/news/24762275/detail.html

The judge agreed with Kaine Horman's attorney that the issues should be heard together and a hearing was scheduled for Oct. 7.

Hormans’ divorce hearing focuses on funds, procedures
http://portlandtribune.com/news/story.php?story_id=128277724380347000

Judge Keith Meisenheimer appeared to reject Bunch’s request that the procedural matters be handled in two separate hearings. He indicated that there would be a single hearing in early October.

A hearing to determine whether Terri violated a gag order related to the divorce filing has already been set for Sept. 21. Kaine Horman claimed that she inappropriately told a friend about information in a restraining order and showed him Kaine’s new address after he moved out of the family’s Northwest Sheltered Nook Road home.

Terri Horman and her attorneys declined to speak to reporters as they left the courtroom.

(http://portlandtribune.com/news_graphics/128277763396701600.jpg)

So much for divorce proceedings.

What's up with the criminal case, LE?

Something to look forward to:

Sept. 21 - contempt of court hearing

Oct. 7 - divorce proceedings

(Hopefully) Press conference by parents - this week (according to some news channel)

 :smt102

Hi you guys!  You're awfully quiet.  Can't help but wonder if you're feeling the same as me?  I'm fed up with Terri.  Little Kyron is still missing!  This should all be about him right now!  Uggh!   ::MonkeyNoNo::

Monkey King...thank you for the link to the video...laughed out loud several times...what a joy!  Take a banana for yourself from that big bunch that was posted (take it from the bottom...they'll never miss it!)   ::MonkeyTongue::

O/T

No Rose Colored Glasses - I love your new avatar!

Brandi - perfect avatar for NRCG

melisb   ::MonkeyAngel::

::MonkeySlide::                Monkey Rule and Tiger Drool!

Unfortunately, this family has had a meltdown since Kyron has disappeared.  LE, the Prosecution and the Grand Jury are handling the disappearance Kyron aspect of things while the family is thrust again into the limelight by their divorce proceedings.


Everything is quiet about the Kyron case due to the instructions per the Grand Jury.  These people who testified are under oath.  Seahorse was correct yesterday when she stated this.

As for Terri Horman, she has been instructed by her attorney no to speak and stay out of public view.  (Besides the media twisting things, she also has had those death threats- which would account for the escort into the court house today)

I like it too, although we'll miss the dog by the pool!
Brandi does FABULOUS avatars- she did mine too!!

IMO It's not productive nor helpful to talk about TH's appearance. Believe me, I am far from being a Terri fan, but if you look at the facts, we don't know if she is guilty of anything other than being self centered. Does that make her a killer or a person that wants revenge on Kaine by taking his son away?

There are a lot of theories out there and speculations, but frankly, we don't know. How would you feel if it came out that it was somebody else that took Kyron?

I guess what I'm trying to say is, we don't know the facts in this case. We just know what the media has fed us and the few bits of info the LE has given us.

P.S. Don't throw too many Monkey bananas at me please!  ::MonkeyAngel::

I agree, sassifrass.

Unitl Kyron is located and the facts of the case are known, we don't know other than what the media feeds us.

LE hasn't said too much, Kaine and Desiree have run the show.

Currently, they are under oath, and nothing is being reported to the media.

Unless Kyron is found, someone comes forward and theres a major break in the case, or the GJ makes a decision, I'm afraid this case will be quiet for a while- aside from the parent's contempt and divorce hearings.

That was funny!  My husband and I both enjoyed it!  Thanks, Monkey King!

I agree also with both of you. And thank-you, Brandi did a lovely job on my new avatar  ::MonkeyCool::

Great work by Brandi.....but I have to admit I loved seeing Zoe...she was such a beautiful furbaby. I love what was put under the avatar I can not imagine how much you miss her. Your love for her was known here!!

If I was Terri and ... I was innocent of the MFH plot ... I was innocent of disappearing Kyron ... I would be appealing the restraining order accusations that was separating me from my precious daughter.

Janet

++++++

Kaine Horman asks judge to make Terri Moulton Horman move out of his house
Published: Thursday, July 08, 2010, 12:06 PM
Updated: Thursday, July 08, 2010, 6:43 PM

Multnomah County judge today unsealed the petition for the restraining order which Kaine Horman obtained on June 28, two days after investigators informed him that his wife had offered to pay a landscaper to kill him months before his son's disappearance.

"I believe respondent is involved in the disappearance of my son Kyron who has been missing since June 4, 2010. I also recently learned that respondent attempted to hire someone to murder me,'' Kaine Horman wrote in his petition. "The police have provided me with probable cause to believe the above two statements to be true."  

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/07/judge_releases_restraining_ord.html

I have had these same thoughts for weeks...seems like the focus on Kyron went poof!!

 ::MonkeyShocked::

KLAAAAS!!

If Brandi sneaks into the cage while I am on the forum and replaces my beautiful white feathered Ducky with Daffy Duck ... BAN HER!!

Janet

It didn't go poof! Right now we are all waiting for new info. It's very difficult to move forward when we don't have any new facts in the case. We pray, we cry, we dream of Kyron coming home. Most of this is done silently, but we NEVER give up hope and we will NEVER let Kyron go poof! Not on this Monkey watch!   ::MonkeyGavel::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::  ::MonkeyDevil:: So funny Janet!!!  ::MonkeyTongue::

Janet - can't happen  ::MonkeyHaHa::  Brandi can't replace anything, she can simply offer  ::MonkeyCool::

Has anyone seen or heard from d in Texas or Lucky7? They haven't been around the past several days.

Kyron is still in my prayers as well as all missing children.I guess there is a lot to wade through to get to the facts. Back to lurking ::dogwag::

Klaas - I sent you an email!  ::MonkeyWink::

Just answered  ::MonkeyCool::

Not that message Klaas. The next one!  ::MonkeyWink::

::MonkeyAngel:: There is a lot to wade through, and I guess all we can do is see what the GJ does. Thank-you mymonkey and don't you go back to lurking  ::MonkeyNoNo::

 ::dogwag:: ::MonkeyKiss::

2 replies to you Klaas.   ::MonkeyWink::

One more time Klaas.   ::MonkeyTongue::

Sassifrass has offered to forward any questions we might have to Harry Oakes about SAR or anything else about how he does his searches.  I've created a thread for questions:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8432.0

Harry's blog: http://www.myspace.com/127939120/blog (http://www.myspace.com/127939120/blog)

What ever questions you have I'll forward to him. He has stated to me in an email that he has a busy schedule but would be happy to answer any question we may have. Also, if you have an area you think he should look in, then this is your chance.

Why on earth do you think I would do that?!

 ::MonkeyEek::

I couldn't even if I wanted to.

And I don't want to.

Brandi - I think Janet was being humorous

Brandi

It was just my futile attempt at humor.

Good Night Monkeys

Janet
8:00 PM PT

Sorry  ... I misfired above.

This was supposed to be included:

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

::MonkeyKiss:: Back at ya My Monkey!  I totally know what you meant in your comment back to me and thank you.  I've just gotten really frustrated because I'm a Stepmother and I've tried to put myself in Terri's position before any of the accusations came up concerning the MFH.  I just can't accept her behavior in all of this. I think Janet said it best in her post of #170.  Thanks Janet!  Anyway...let's continue on!  :smt038

Sorry if already posted. 

IS reports that someone over on the 'Missing Kyron Horman' FB page posted with the KISIEL last name.  That this girl looks younger than Terri.   ::MonkeyEek::

I don't know if the post is still there or not, here's the cached page:

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:uM3oF2vm0r4J:www.facebook.com/permalink.php%3Fstory_fbid%3D138163562885249%26id%3D125336750831264+%22bonnie+kisiel%22&cd=23&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us (http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:uM3oF2vm0r4J:www.facebook.com/permalink.php%3Fstory_fbid%3D138163562885249%26id%3D125336750831264+%22bonnie+kisiel%22&cd=23&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us)

<in case that link didn't work, here's a short url>
http://bit.ly/b3I8DT (http://bit.ly/b3I8DT)

Just popped back in during my intermission of watching Under the Tuscan Sun.

Ok Monkeys...... You all had opinions on Harry and his blogs and whether you thought his ego was larger than his journey to find Kyron. I agree his ego is large  but the fact that he continues to search for Kyron through his rants says something to me. He's older, single, probably a bit egotistical, but the most important thing.........HE'S LOOKING FOR KYRON! And he hasn't given up.

Go on the thread and ask him a question. You openly speak about him on the board, why not put it in question form?

If we can get this format going, emailed questions, then maybe other people will step forward and answer questions.

IMO this is the way to go.  ::MonkeyAngel::

My gosh.. she could be Terri's younger sister!  Looks so much like her, I think. 

http://www.facebook.com/bonnie7 (http://www.facebook.com/bonnie7)

Yeah I saw that and thought it interesting.  Wondered if Terri had indeed contacted her birth family at some point.

I doubt there is anything that can be shared with us. LE is still looking thru tips and the GJ is still seated. Terri's lawyers have told ger to zip it and it does no one any good to hear from Kaine giving the public the dirty dish about Terri. It makes him look bad and peeps take Terri's side the more he talks. Kaine has rubbed alot of peeps the wrong way for some reason.

I can see where you could think they are related.  They are similar.
Interesting.

And what a grand avatar it is, too!

I see the possibilities of some some resemblance there.   There are many more - How about this one
http://www.facebook.com/pages/TOM-KIESEL-THE-SCIENCE-WEASEL/495748835314?ref=search
aren't squirrels and weasels related somehow?  ::MonkeyDance::
btw, if you saw TH walking into the courthouse today, I could clearly see where she got that monniker of RDSQRL

I see a resemblance! LOL

 ::MonkeyDevil::

I like your Snoopy avatar so much I hope you never change it.

LOL MonkeyFlower...I was expecting to see some dude! ::MonkeyHaHa::

Thanks Monkey Flower!  I'm kinda leaning that way.  I see the pain my Monkey friends are in and it kills me.  I want to run to them to help and can't.  I'm 42, life is pretty good and maybe I shouldn't open my own can of worms, huh?  Maybe I don't need to know what I don't know!

Going to beddy by.  I so hope there is good news tomorrow.  I also hurts me to think Kyron is out there wondering why...   What were his last moments like?  If he's in a safe house he may be getting all kinds of good treatment.  Did he go with someone he knew?  Sometimes I wake up having the nightmare of Casey snuffing the life out of Caylee, how did she look into her face and do that?  I guess I created more nightmare for tonight!  I'm sorry.  Such a downer that was.  She's in Heaven now and will never know pain or unhappiness again.  That is a good thought.


                                                                  ::MonkeyAngel::

Awww, thanks.  It's my original avatar.  Brandi recently "animated" it for me...I love it, too!

BWAHAHAHAHA!!   ::MonkeyDevil::

Can someone help me?  IIRC Terri facebooked that she was getting pics or posters done.  Anyone have a link to that?  If so, let me know.  TIA

I'm sorry if this has already been answered, but is there any indication of how long the GJ might take? And also, if and when an indictment is handed down, how long does it take for the actual arrest? TIA

The GJ has asked for a 2 month extension on the gag order so it could last a while.  They could ask for an extension again.  The answer is nobody knows.

:2brickwall: This is so frustrating.

Pfaubush..O/T and on a lighter note...I love your new avatar...I see you're all dressed up and donned your bets bunny ears!   ::MonkeyCool::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Obviously, I "meant" to say: donned your best bunny ears (not bets).  Sorry.

Also, an arrest is immediate if/when the GJ indicts someone.

We saw that with Casey Anthony.

Would one of you nice monkeys be able to tell me how to post a photo on here? TIA  ::dogwag::

You can either post the IMG link from photobucket or upload from your PC using the ADDITIONAL OPTIONS button on the bottom left of your message typing screen.

You can also post the URL of a photo that is on another website, highlight and click on the IMG button (http://scaredmonkeys.net/Themes/default/images/bbc/img.gif) above the emoticons in your message window.

 ::MonkeyConfused:: I'll try lol ....

on any photo on any "site" online..... RIGHT CLICK on photo ... click on "COPY IMAGE LOCATION" ....
then in a POST/REPLY here in SM ..... in the REPLY BOX - click on the "Insert Image" ICON above where your typing ...then between these " (http://) " PASTE this Photo's "Image Location" ...
like this:

(http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?action=dlattach;attach=14324;type=avatar)
(I'm using your avatar as example)
OR you can 1st paste the photos "Image Location info" and then Highlight it and click on the "Insert Image" icon above .. hope this helps  ::MonkeyEek::

I hope this turns out okay. I have never seen this picture before of Kyron...and thought it was really sweet!

 ::MonkeyCheer4:: you did it nana !! congrats

thanks klaas ... I had never checked out that "Additional Options" - COOL deal  ::HelloKitty::

Yes I did it!!! Thanks Klaas and Zippidy!

another one with step-daddy Tony you don't see much of.... (testing this ... on "Additional Options" I clicked a photo...but I'm not able to "Preview" it in post - hope this works)

Every time I see this woman, I just want to yank the carroty hair off her head till she tells what she knows. I think she is just being a stubborn, defiant biyach.  :smt075

Copies of court doc's out:

Court documents filed Wednesday, Aug. 25, 2010:

    * Terri Horman argument
    * Kaine Horman argument
    * Amendment to restraining order

http://www.katu.com/news/local/101511664.html

Thanks, zippiddy!

Back from visiting friends here and there on the discussions

Rumor: Pressor on Friday (from Anita of KATU - the one who checks her resources 3x and is on FB)

I am not sure whether this was an idea of hers, so please be careful quoting this (as she does know a bit more at times), but it is a good discussion topic - Anita suggested maybe DDS had "switched sides" (that was said after wondering if she had asked Pop to check out new boyfriend or maybe her info was critical in an arrest) - meaning from lawful  to    ::MonkeyNoNo::

And WHY would someone switch? (Remember "I'd rather fight than switch" - or is no one that old?) ::piggy::

Oooohh!  Thank you!

MonkeyFlower
 

Lucky ::MonkeyCool:: Strikes?  ::MonkeyDevil::  (and NOOOOOOOO I ain't that old .... I saw it on Youtube or sum'n ...  ::MonkeyEek:: yah thats it ... thats the ticket!)

don't you people ever go to bed  ::MonkeyDevil::

have not had a chance to get over here for a few days... ugh...

trying to catch up... see jason left hmmmm figured that wouldn't last too long...

anything else I might research?

 ::HelloKitty:: hey dd ... was about to send a search party  ::MonkeyDevil::  let me think .. seems there was something  ::MonkeyConfused::

oh .. I remember! Do you by chance peruse the psychiccrimefighter site much?   ::MonkeyEek:: (found some errrr ... lets call it "additional" info about NW Newberry - and some creapy stuff about Forest Park that it runs rite through  ::MonkeyShocked:: )

never went there... to the site... don't know where it is... sounds interesting info... how do I get there

www.psychiccrimefigther.com .. they locked it up pretty good not long after I joined - seems a "lot" of convo went to "private msg's" only also there for a while .... right after they were in the area searching/same time the "note" was left at the wall - can't blame them for not wanting ppl knowing where they go searching though - so many "ODD" twists/turns going on  ::MonkeyNoNo::

well hmmm, we need to know these things LOL.. how dare they not share  ::MonkeyHaHa::

wonder what they were saying about nw newberry...seems some locals say they don't even like driving that area

dd - I do have a couple links to add to all the other info we've gathered (this one concerns the "communal" living address lol)
http://web.mac.com/newberryhouse/Newberry_House/Pictures.html#13

and this one ... errr .. is the creapy one  ::MonkeyNoNo:: read page four about halfway down  ::MonkeyNoNo::  this is a LONNNNNG article with a persons "personal" experiences involving human trafficing (they were "IN" forest park)
http://www.scribd.com/doc/4981863/Experiences-in-elite-child-trafficking-Sierra-Peterson-2008

One afternoon he took my friend Casey and I on a hike through Forest Park.We walked for miles away from any houses or civilization to a large system of ventilation grates that military personnel supposedly used as an entrance into the tunnel complex

whoa, a tunnel out there... now that is interesting... I'll have to go read that...

http://www.mentalfloss.com/blogs/archives/62974

2. Portland, Oregon. The Shanghai Tunnels of Portland, AKA the Portland Underground, may have a pretty shady past. The tunnels connected a bunch of basements of business and bars in the Old Town/Chinatown district and are said to have been built to get goods from the docks to the businesses without clogging up the streets in town. But more than one source says the tunnels were used for other purposes: to kidnap (shanghai) people who got too drunk in the bars and then sell them into the slave trade, using the tunnels to get them to the docks and ship them out. It’s never been proven, but Portland Underground Tours will give you a good idea of how it could have happened (they maintain that it absolutely did happen).

I knew they were "IN" Portland ... but had NO IDEA they reached as far out as Forest Park  ::MonkeyNoNo::

would not surprise me at all that there are some old military tunnels of some kind out there.. pretty interesting.  I know a little bit about this stuff, but I'm not going to talk about it LOL

wonder if LE was out there searching in those tunnels out there in forest park...

we had a clue about forest park... forget now what it was, I'll have to check... this stuff might be getting a little more than I want to know about

well gee after 1 am, getting sleepy... thanks for the chat... see you tomorrow...

 ::HelloKitty:: nite dd tc eh

nite zip, thanks for the links... maybe I can get some brave soul to go look for the tunnels and photo them... I really doubt it, but I'll ask...

 :smt023

::MonkeySlide::  me! me! I am definitely "that old"

I'm confused. Switched sides? From Terri's to LE? From straight to gay? Maybe it is the late hour..

Terri's Walk with her Legal Eagles  - Maybe next time it will be a Perp Walk

Movie Salt with Angelina Jolie 
http://www.youtube.com/v/SXdXBt8-Zuk?fs=1&amp;hl=en_US

 :-| Terri has dug a hole so huge that she cannot even attempt to crawl out of it.
If she would have stepped up even for her own self in " JUNE" she would not be under the scrutiny of the national public - I honestly believe she has out ranked the most hated Female in the USA - Casey Anthony ..  I don't feel a minute for Terri. She had plenty of time to offer a statement before she lawyered up. She could not offer " Not One Word" for Kyron  - NOT one. She is in the position of losing everything today - because she chose not to speak. She chose this path and now she is living it.  Which I do not understand her " Stomp" walking in the hall of court.

If she was trying to protect Kyron ? would it not have been the right thing to do to offer a statement? That she was of knowledge that Kyron was not safe and she wanted to protect him - what ever statement she could have made at the time. ( Not her hiding him or taking him away) but Something of a statement that she felt he was at risk - she though offered to OPT out. Not One word has she ever said in audio " I would love to hear her voice".
To get a grasp of her ..   :smt091
 

I found this interesting site today - that offers police reports ( somewhat) in Oregon.
You have to really play around and then when you find what your searching - it offers minimal info. You have to check it out: http://www.crimereports.com/map
You're able to check within actual police departments within city or county - Oregon - reports made. I played around with this site for hours today - to come up with searching " Missing Person"  I copied what I found in records from June 3 - June 5 - 2010  - All is to be based upon 911 Calls
MISSING PERSON
04 Jun 2010
N INTERSTATE AV & N KILLINGSWORTH ST
Distance: 7.89 miles
Identifier: 1006042064
Time: 23:15:27
PERSON LOST, FOUND OR MISSING
Agency: Portland Police

MISSING PERSON
04 Jun 2010
1 BLOCK UNKNOWN ST
Distance: 12.03 miles
Identifier: 1006040246
Time: 04:47:30
PERSON LOST, FOUND OR MISSING
Agency: Portland Police

MISSING PERSON
04 Jun 2010
4000 BLOCK SE GLADSTONE ST
Distance: 12.86 miles
Identifier: 1006041038
Time: 14:57:53
PERSON LOST, FOUND OR MISSING
Agency: Portland Police

MISSING PERSON
04 Jun 2010
4900 BLOCK SW NEVADA CT
Distance: 10.52 miles
Identifier: 1006041376
Time: 17:34:46
PERSON LOST, FOUND OR MISSING
Agency: Portland Police

MISSING PERSON
04 Jun 2010
4600 BLOCK N MARYLAND AV
Distance: 8.12 miles
Identifier: 1006041803
Time: 21:12:47
PERSON LOST, FOUND OR MISSING
Agency: Portland Police

MISSING PERSON
04 Jun 2010
N INTERSTATE AV & N KILLINGSWORTH ST
Distance: 7.89 miles
Identifier: 1006042064
Time: 23:15:27
PERSON LOST, FOUND OR MISSING
Agency: Portland Police

MISSING PERSON
05 Jun 2010
1 BLOCK UNKNOWN ST
Distance: 9.76 miles
Identifier: 1006051247
Time: 17:06:26
PERSON LOST, FOUND OR MISSING
Agency: Portland Police

MISSING PERSON
05 Jun 2010
1 BLOCK UNKNOWN ST
Distance: 9.84 miles
Identifier: 1006051275
Time: 17:16:42
PERSON LOST, FOUND OR MISSING
Agency: Portland Police

MISSING PERSON
05 Jun 2010
1 BLOCK UNKNOWN ST
Distance: 9.84 miles
Identifier: 1006051297
Time: 17:26:42
PERSON LOST, FOUND OR MISSING
Agency: Portland Police

MISSING PERSON
05 Jun 2010
5600 BLOCK NE 32 AV
Distance: 10.13 miles
Identifier: 1006051348
Time: 17:47:41
PERSON LOST, FOUND OR MISSING
Agency: Portland Police

MISSING PERSON
05 Jun 2010
5100 BLOCK NE 15 AV
Distance: 9.43 miles
Identifier: 1006051901
Time: 22:32:06
PERSON LOST, FOUND OR MISSING
Agency: Portland Police

MISSING PERSON
05 Jun 2010
1 BLOCK UNKNOWN ST
Distance: 9.49 miles
Identifier: 1006051972
Time: 22:58:04
PERSON LOST, FOUND OR MISSING
Agency: Portland Police

MISSING PERSON
05 Jun 2010
4800 BLOCK N MCCOY CT
Distance: 5.79 miles
Identifier: 1006052123
Time: 23:57:52
PERSON LOST, FOUND OR MISSING
Agency: Portland Police
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Very strange that they only offer " tid bits of info" - you can use the Search of any type of  crime literally on this site - and more info comes up.
--
Using my Monkey brain - I copied whatever address was available and came up with this site
http://portland.everyblock.com/crime
I have not come up with anything mentioned on the date of June 4th of a Missing Person - I did find though on June 4th - June 5th - reported " Runaways" on this site: http://portland.everyblock.com/crime/filter/by-date/2010-06-04,2010-06-05/
NO Address shown of Report - just Date and Time = All are reported in Multnomah County
Report date     June 4, 2010
Report time    5:34 p.m.
Offense    Runaway
Report date     June 4, 2010
Report time    6:32 p.m.
Offense    Runaway
Report date     June 4, 2010
Report time    10:49 a.m.
Offense    Runaway
Report date     June 4, 2010
Report time    10 p.m.
Offense    Runaway
Report date     June 4, 2010
Report time    9:12 p.m.
Offense    Runaway
Report date     June 4, 2010
Report time    9:27 p.m.
Offense    Runaway
Report date     June 4, 2010
Report time    11:30 p.m.
Offense    Runaway
What is defined as a Runaway: When a juvenile has departed from some location within Multnomah County and the juvenile’s parents or guardians have reported them as a runaway.
Someone that knows the area of Portland will have to play with this site.  They have it broken down to Neighborhoods. Almost that you have to be a Local ..and I am not.
http://portland.everyblock.com/crime/filter/by-date/2010-06-04,2010-06-05/by-offense/26/locations/neighborhoods/ 
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Thought I would share, this case has everyone boggled and seems to be a giant puzzle. 
each piece will soon enough ( fingers crossed ) fall into place.   

Kyron ::FlyingFrog::

From the site: www.Crimereports.com
http://www.crimereports.com/map/index/?search=449%20NE%20Emerson%20St+Portland+OR&agencyzoomlevel=
I used Skyline Blvd as my search address. If that helps. 

Deenie  :thumleft: good finds on the sites - I've looked at them a wee bit ... but I be half asleep  ::MonkeyDevil:: they've been SAVED for later digs  ::MonkeyShovel:: thanks  ::HelloKitty::

(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y87/shortpig/082510_terri_horman-ap.jpg)

Look at the expressions on everyones face in this picture.  I don't see a happy face in this group and Bunch is giving her a very telling look.  Just not sure what he is thinking.  ::MonkeyEek::

[quote

I knew they were "IN" Portland ... but had NO IDEA they reached as far out as Forest Park  ::MonkeyNoNo::
[/quote]

would not surprise me at all that there are some old military tunnels of some kind out there.. pretty interesting.  I know a little bit about this stuff, but I'm not going to talk about it LOL
[/quote]

Could I possibly get the link to your web site again? Somehow misplaced it. Thank you.

Good Morning Monkeys,
Does anyone have the link to Double deckers site?

Praying today is the day.

Oops Thanks anyway, I found it.

Thank-you! Traceygirl, a maggie good.   I am really "chocolate milk" kind of girl :flower: or Brandy Alexander's  ::MonkeyHaHa::
I will refrain from drinking before I get conked.  ::MonkeyGavel:: 

Hi Ladydog1 and Goodmorning Monkey's,

They do not look confident.   ::MonkeyEek::

Good morning,

It could be up to a year! 

I just have to say that Deputy behind them could guard me.   ::MonkeyHaHa::

But again look at his expression. 

So she's being looked at the one involved in Kyron's disappearance by the MCSCO and being guarded by the same group. "Ouch"

                                       Good Morning Monkeys!   ::piggy::

I am taking vacation next week to finish and win the battle of the Blackberries.  Also preparing for fall weather to start and the rainy season.

My daughter and I are planning a fishing trip together.  Not sure where just yet but one of our old fishing holes from when she was much younger.  I can guarantee you it won't be Sauvie Island.  I might never go there again. I will keep in touch as I will be home everyday at some point. 

 I am so looking forward to a week off of work and more time with my furkids.   ::MonkeyDance::

I think they're trying to ignore on-lookers and the one attorney is staring at one of the on-lookers.

Puzzler  ::HelloKitty::



The ogle-eyed attorney looks miffed.  :smt093

Compare the shoulders, is his look is aimed at her or her attorney?  :smt105

This photo is taken leaving the courtroom?  :o This isn't going to their plans, the Judge side with Kaines attorney.

FYI - I know a couple of you have sent me emails and I'm trying to answer/get to them but hotmail is giving me problems again this morning.  Ever since they made an upgrade it's been acting up for me.  I'll answer ASAP.

Thats what I'm seeing also but it looks to me like he is looking at Terri at that moment and not very happy.  Is it possible he got drug into this by Houze and didn't realize what the truth was.  Maybe he likes small children.

Klaas, the email I sent you was in regard to the Caylee thread... the thread title has a typo.  "Caylee" is spelled "Carylee."  Sorry for o/t and sorry if it has already been reported....

Back to Kyron.

In the slideshow here, http://photos.oregonlive.com/oregonian/2010/08/terri_horman_shows_for_divorce_4.html

--  you can see that Terri is wearing what appears to be a gold? platinum? wedding set on her left ring finger.  This is different from the matching black bands she and Kaine usually wore, based on the FB pics we have seen.  Wonder what the appearance of the different ring/rings signify, and why she made this choice for divorce court, no doubt knowing that she would be photographed like crazy at this hearing?

She looks very troubled, IMO.

Also, re: the comment about the use of the word "defense" in the news coverage of this divorce hearing -- Kaine filed for the divorce.  That makes him the plaintiff in the case.  Terri is the defendant in the divorce action.
http://www.theattorneysforum.com/divorce-seperation-annulment/3013-defendants-answer-divorce.html

Praying for Kyron to come home.

Thanks Des - I fixed the title for the Caylee thread.  It would be a bunch of work to fix for each post but from now on it will be correct.  Thanks for letting us know about the typo.

Ditto ! We just don't know. We know, only what LE wants us to know and they apparently "don't Know" much! They're fishing for info. We (including myself) have been too harsh on Terri when we haven't seen any evidence.

Can I not email you, but write in here that I did?

That way people would think we have a special relationship, a certain connection, so that they think that if they ever give me a hard time I can seek you on to them?

:D

hahahahahahahaha

No special relationships.  Anyone can email me.  Sometimes I don't even answer  ::MonkeyDevil::  smklaas@hotmail.com

That is true to just about every case ever on record.

But, though we don't know if she is guilty because we have seen no evidence...

She lied to police of her whereabouts on June 4th; she failed a few lie detectors and refused to take the last one; she tried to have someone murder her husband; she got phony phones to get to discuss things with a few of her friends; she did not show much grief after Kyron's disappearance; she engaged in recreational activities including visits to the gym and sexting with her hubby's friend after Kyron went missing; ummm... can't think of more at this time, but I'm sure there is other stuff to indicate she may not have been too truthful about the circumstances of the poor child's disappearance.

Maybe your tech guys can whip out a little find and replace program for ya'.
 ::monkeywine2::

I could try banning the word Carylee and replacing with Caylee and see if it changes in the subject lines  ::MonkeyCool::
 
There is a function when merging threads for changing  each of the titles, but didn't want to try it with this thread.  (Maybe try it later with test thread) Anyway, I've gone back and edited the titles in each post.  MB

thank you for this info.
I tried it and managed to post a pic on JSMs btobb thread, but it is HUGE.  I resized it before I attached it but it is still huge.
Thanks in Advance

I'm way behind, but just had to comment.  I have a cousin who went through what you did, being repeatedly raped by her father and was told if she told anyone, or refused him, he would rape her little sister (7 years younger).  I didn't learn of it until he was dead, and my cousin was an adult.  He died a horrible, gruesome death as cancer slowly ate away at his body.  He was only in his early forties.  I often wish I had known, so I could have tortured him in some way for what he did to my cousin, but then I think that he got what he deserved already dying so young and in so much misery.  She is schizophrenic and is in and out of hospitals, she's also tried to commit suicide several times.  I also had a friend who I met when she was 17 who had been raped by her father as well as all her siblings, a sister and two brothers.  I'm sure there are many others who are abused by their fathers/mothers/close relatives.  It's just so hard to imagine a father could do that to his own child. 

I just want you to know that I will keep you in my prayers, and hope that you will find peace and happiness because as ugly as life can be, you are beautiful, and you are loved.   ::MonkeyAngel::

This link was posted on Blink and thought we could post it here.  No it really has nothing to do with Kyron's disappearance other than his case is mentioned in the article. I'm thinking maybe we can somehow get this case noticed by the local media also to help out.

How do we do that?

http://portlandobserver.com/?p=4159

Here is another link that tells about the Mother and the missing children.

#
Shelly says:
August 26, 2010 at 9:25 am

Blink…I don’t know if this story had any updates…but the children where believed to be abducted by their mother:
(Sorry for not posting a link in my earlier post)

http://www.missingkids.com/missingkids/servlet/PubCaseSearchServlet?act=viewChildDetail&caseNum=1148744&orgPrefix=NCMC&seqNum=1&caseLang=en_US&searchLang=en_US

 

Wonder if that's from a previous marriage, worn for Kaine's benefit. Maybe from her first marriage, since James is now living with Tarver and his wife.

Thanks zippiddy_doo_daw

Janet

Sorry for the O/T but I just have to say........ WOW!!! Klaas? That's why you look like the "thinker monkey" behind those bars!  ::MonkeyHaHa:: That's creative, Klaas!!   ::MonkeyCheer4::

Muffy? You've been a busy bee making all those corrections! I think most posters understand typos, but that was nice of you to do it!  ::MonkeyKiss::

 ::MonkeyDevil:: AAA HAHAHAHAHA!! Moosee, you're crackin' me up! ::MonkeyLaugh::
Just got up a bit ago(day off, slept in 'til 7!) and catching up...

Your next post...about all Terri's "stuff" she did(lies, sexting, cell phones, etc) by themselves, easily explainable. Put together...they speak volumes and we, in our human nature add it and ,oops, it DON'T(add up)
It brings to mind my sister who (to my knowledge) has never committed a crime, but is very controlling, a pathological liar...more...I love her to death, she would give you the shirt off my back, but can't trust her anymore...it took some therapy and distance(cut off contact for about a year) before I was able to see how much I had been "suckered by her.

I guess my point is that I can see how her "friends" so totally defend her and would do things for her that to most of us would be "what the ???".  Even if you subconscious is trying to send a red flag, the conscious part has been "groomed" to blindly believe and not question  :queen:"the Queen". I believed all she told me, it wasn't until later I was able to look back and say hey!  :smt018 wait a second..

IMO, this does not excuse her/their behavior...just a different perspective on motive. I would hope I am not as gullible and naive as I used to be....hard lesson to learn ::MonkeyNoNo::

Come on home Kyron... ::FlyingFrog::

Terri Horman makes Portland court appearance
Story Published: Aug 25, 2010 at 3:34 PM PDT
Story Updated: Aug 25, 2010 at 11:54 PM PDT

PORTLAND, Ore. - Terri Horman was back in Portland for a court appearance related to her divorce from Kaine Horman, the father of missing Skyline student Kyron Horman.

Sheriff's deputies gathered at the back door of the courthouse Wednesday afternoon, waiting for the arrival of Kyron's stepmother Terri. She was flanked by her two attorneys - including high-powered defense attorney Stephen Houze - and was escorted into the Multnomah County Courthouse by deputies.

Kaine Horman was not at the courthouse Wednesday. However, his attorney, Laura Rackner, was.

Rackner told KATU they were there for "a scheduling hearing." The hearing concluded around 3:30 p.m. Wednesday.

Terri Horman had no comment for reporters as she entered and left the courthouse but she was still wearing what appeared to be a wedding ring.

In court the two sides talked about three different things:

First, Kaine wants Terri to show where she supposedly got $350,000 to hire Houze.

Second, Terri wants all the legal issues Kaine has filed against her in their divorce postponed for up to two years. Legal experts say her side is trying to keep her out of any situation that would get her under oath.

Third, they talked about the contempt of court case Kaine filed against Terri, claiming she broke a court order by showing the then sealed restraining order to friend Mike Cook.

Each side also laid out their arguments in court documents:

Terri’s divorce attorney, Peter Bunch, claims the divorce can’t go on right now because she’s a “de facto suspect” in the disappearance of her stepson, Kyron.

But Kaine’s side countered, saying Terri is stalling to “avoid possible self-incrimination.”

Kaine’s attorney, Rackner, questioned why Terri’s attorney was asking for two separate hearings: one for the divorce delay and the other to explain where Terri got the money to pay for her defense attorney, Houze.

Kaine would “incur extra fees and costs … miss additional work days” and that money “needed by him to support his family,” Rackner wrote.

But Bunch said Kaine is the one with the “significant income” and “substantial savings” and seems to want to “interfere” with her choice.

In the end the only thing that was decided is the judge will hear arguments on the money and postponement in early October, and the contempt case will be in mid-September.


<snipped>

Investigators have not named Terri Horman a suspect or person of interest in this case, and they have not made any arrests.

Kyron’s biological parents, Desiree Young and Kaine Horman, will hold a news conference Friday at 11 a.m., they said in an e-mail sent to media outlets Wednesday night.

Young and Horman said the topics will include updates on the case, Kyron’s birthday and a fundraiser set for next Wednesday, September 1.

KATU News reporter Anita Kissée contributed to this report.

http://www.katu.com/news/local/101511664.html

Terri Horman makes Portland court appearance
Story Published: Aug 25, 2010 at 3:34 PM PDT
Story Updated: Aug 25, 2010 at 11:54 PM PDT

The question remains as to why Terri Horman came to the hearing. She certainly had the right to do so but said nothing in court, nothing to the media, and her presence, legally, wasn’t necessary

http://www.katu.com/news/local/101511664.html

Hi Janet!! My thoughts are that her atty stratigically advised it. He probably thought it was good for her image to show interest by her presence but opening her mouth wasn't such a good thing.

Lazydog1,

Houze lost the case(yesterday) for the divorce attorney, is how view this picture.  You are observant. ::MonkeyEek::

The ogle-eyed, Attorney, is miffed, since, Houze lost "his" case for the day.

Houze isn't doing too good for all the dough SM spent a retainer.   ::MonkeyNoNo::These are my opinions. ::MonkeyHaHa::

Morning everyone.  Scatty, I'd previously noticed the difference in rings too.  It appears Terri had 2 and I could only find pics with Kaine having the black one. (At least it looks black to me).  I believe she wears the gold one when she's dressing up.  IMO anyway. ::MonkeyWink::

It appears that September 24th and October 7th are significant dates for Terri and Kaine but ... will have no relevent regarding the disapperance of Kyron.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet

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Divorce hearing set for Kyron Horman's dad & step-mom
by David Krough and KGW.com Staff
kgw.com
Posted on August 25, 2010 at 7:27 AM
Updated yesterday at 5:22 PM

PORTLAND – Kaine Horman and his estranged wife, Terri Moulton Horman were granted an October 7 divorce hearing Wednesday.

Terri, the last person to see seven-year-old Kyron Horman before he vanished on June 4, had wanted the divorce delayed until after the criminal investigation into his disappearance is completed.

At issue were financial questions and an abatement proposal by Terri's lawyers to speed up the case. But a judge ruled the issues would all be addressed at one joint hearing on October 7. Kaine Horman wants Terri's financial information disclosed on how she was able to pay for a reported $350,000 in attorney fees.

On September 21, a judge will issue a ruling on whether or not Terri was in contempt of court over accusations she unsealed a restraining order earlier in the summer.

http://www.kgw.com/news/Kaine--Terri-Horman-expected-in-court-today-101470199.html
 

Thanks CBB

 ::HelloKitty::

Janet

I still cannot wrap my head around the fact that Terri is not requesting at least supervised visitation with Kiara! I cannot imagine her Attorneys thinking on this. It makes her look very cold and uncaring. The only thing that I can figure is that it will be part of the slander lawsuit later. "Because of all of the slander, this poor woman was kept from seeing her daughter for months", blah blah blah! NOTHING would keep me from my daughter!

I think it is the same ring she is wearing in this Halloween picture. She wasn't married at the time:

http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=2018740&id=1264414625#!/photo.php?pid=436886&id=1264414625&ref=fbx_album

It appears to me that the source of the $350,000 retainer fee issue should be dealt with by the court IMMEDIATELY.  There is a possibility that the money trail could reveal that there is a direct connection to the disappearing of Kyron Horman.

Janet

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Divorce hearing set for Kyron Horman's dad & step-mom
by David Krough and KGW.com Staff
kgw.com
Posted on August 25, 2010 at 7:27 AM
Updated yesterday at 5:22 PM

PORTLAND – Kaine Horman and his estranged wife, Terri Moulton Horman were granted an October 7 divorce hearing Wednesday.

Terri, the last person to see seven-year-old Kyron Horman before he vanished on June 4, had wanted the divorce delayed until after the criminal investigation into his disappearance is completed.

At issue were financial questions and an abatement proposal by Terri's lawyers to speed up the case. But a judge ruled the issues would all be addressed at one joint hearing on October 7. Kaine Horman wants Terri's financial information disclosed on how she was able to pay for a reported $350,000 in attorney fees.

On September 21, a judge will issue a ruling on whether or not Terri was in contempt of court over accusations she unsealed a restraining order earlier in the summer.

http://www.kgw.com/news/Kaine--Terri-Horman-expected-in-court-today-101470199.html

http://www.kgw.com/news/Kyrons-parents-to-speak-Friday-101562878.html


Kyron's parents to speak Friday

by Frank Mungeam

kgw.com

Posted on August 26, 2010 at 8:07 AM

Updated today at 8:08 AM

PORTLAND, Ore. -- The parents of Kyron Horman have scheduled a press conference for 11 a.m. Friday to speak to the public about the disappearance of their son. KGW.com will stream the press conference live and KGW NewsChannel 8 will broadcast the press conference live on Channel 8. Kyron Horman disappeared June 4 from Skyline Elementary School. Police have received more than 3,700 tips in the case, and the focus of their investigation has been on Kyron's step-mom Terri Horman, but she has not been named a suspect or person of interest in the case.

http://www.kptv.com/index.html




Legal expert,   :smt110  Bruce McCain, said, "The real victor is the investigators and the prosecutor" referring to yesterdays case

He said nothing happened yesterday, meaning the divorce is still alive.  The video is to the right-side of the link.

Tomorrow's new conference with Desiree & Kaine should be interesting, does anyone know the time?  Thank-you.

I hear you sebastian. I don't think she can request visitation unless she is willing to address the allegations in the FAPA. Not contesting the FAPA is one of the most telling aspects of the case for me. I cannot imagine giving up contact with my dughter without a huge tussle.

Good Morning Monkeys!
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y16/nicubird/bloodymary.jpg)

Good morning Nicubird!
I guess both Kaine and Terri's lawyers are pretty savie in this case. Now it is making sense why Kaine filed the divorce in the middle of this huge mess. He gets everything that he wants until Terri is ready to talk. If she is guilty, her silence and lack of concern for her daughter and Kyron is so very telling. Yet, there is still an itsy bitsy part of me that thinks she may be innocent. Looking at it from this stand point, I still think her actions make her look guilty as all get out. When you try to incorporate your own thinking into something like this, it really makes no sense at all. Kiara is so young and impressionable. The thought of my being away from my daughter for more than a day at that young age is not something that I could have been a part of. NO WAY NO HOW!

I just wanted to say "hey" to 04bull! Thanks again for everything! That was so much fun! ::MonkeyDance::

sebastian

If Terri appeals/contests the terms of the restraining order that denies her contact with her daughter ... the implication may be that in her defence she would incriminate herself in the MFH plot as well as the disappearing of Kyron.

Terri is between a rock and a hard place.  Challenging the restraining order will not result in a reunion between mother and daughter.

IMO

Janet

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Terri Horman makes Portland court appearance
Story Published: Aug 25, 2010 at 3:34 PM PDT
Story Updated: Aug 25, 2010 at 11:54 PM PDT

Family law attorney Laura Graser, who’s also familiar with criminal appeals, says Kaine has every right as a spouse in a divorce proceeding to legally inquire about Terri’s ability to pay that fee. Legally, they’re still married and by law, their marital assets should be frozen, precluding someone from going out and spending an excessive amount of money on anything, let alone criminal defense.

“It sounds like these folks are sort of regular middle class people that have middle class income, and if in the middle of a divorce proceeding one middle class spouse arrives in a $350,000 or $100,000 expensive , fancy car, the other spouse has the right to inquire because it’s probably a marital asset until the divorce is final,” said Graser. “I don’t mean to suggest that Mr. Houze is like a fancy car. He’s a very fine lawyer and murder investigations are very time consuming to defend. That’s a very large retainer but I don’t find it outside the realm of possible.”

She says what is also at stake are the competing interests of Kaine and Terri, given that he wants a divorce from the woman he believes tried to have him killed and she’s been the focus of investigators looking into Kyron’s disappearance.

“He has a right to proceed with the divorce, and he has a right to get divorced if he wants to be divorced in a relatively expeditious manner,” she said.  “She has a right to not incriminate herself. So there’s a tension there that some judge is going to have to resolve.”


http://www.katu.com/news/local/101511664.html


Kaine Horman asks judge to make Terri Moulton Horman move out of his house
Published: Thursday, July 08, 2010, 12:06 PM
Updated: Thursday, July 08, 2010, 6:43 PM

Multnomah County judge today unsealed the petition for the restraining order which Kaine Horman obtained on June 28, two days after investigators informed him that his wife had offered to pay a landscaper to kill him months before his son's disappearance.

"I believe respondent is involved in the disappearance of my son Kyron who has been missing since June 4, 2010. I also recently learned that respondent attempted to hire someone to murder me,'' Kaine Horman wrote in his petition. "The police have provided me with probable cause to believe the above two statements to be true."  

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/07/judge_releases_restraining_ord.html

Thanks Muffy  ::MonkeyAngel::

I agree with you CBB.

While I commend Harry for what he does, he's an angel for giving of  his own time into these cases.  I would also love to see Tim Miller get involved.  Working side by side with him and seeing him in action and on the t.v. in other cases, this man is a national hero, greatly respected by many people across the country and a true expert.  Kyron needs Tim Miller!  Maybe he and Harry can work together and actually FIND Kyron!  ::MonkeyHeart::

I have a question. Now don't laugh...... I keep hearing the name Tim Miller. Who is he?  ::MonkeyTongue::

Just my opinion, but I do not believe Terri and Dede have all of these agencies fooled with all of the resources they possess. Just to have all of these agencies involved suggests a much larger situation than a school teacher and gardener. I don't give a hoot about the darn divorce. I want to know what is really going on here.

Can anyone find any other missing child's case where these agencies were all involved?

 ::MonkeyHaHa::  ::MonkeyHaHa::   ::MonkeyDevil::
Just kidding Sass. He's the head of Texas Equusearch. They search for missing people, using horses and other methods. They tried to help in the Caylee Anthony case while being hindered and blasted by the creepy Anthonys. They are pretty famous.

 ::MonkeyShocked::   ::MonkeyWink::


http://texasequusearch.org/ (http://texasequusearch.org/)

Terri not having any contact with Kiara = Terri being guilty of something pertaining to Kyrons disappearance = Terri behind bars for life with no contact.....As long as she doesn't admit to anything, she is at least free in a somewhat confined life, but free....

Like in a car chase, idiots keep rolling with a dozen LE chasing behind and in the air, but as long as the wheels are rolling they are free, and putting so many innocents in danger, but all that matters to the perp is they are still rolling!

OOOOHHHHHH Peac!!! What a great idea.  I would love to know the answer to that question.  I'm wondering if everyone jumped in because he went missing from a school?  That in itself is a whole other issue.  If it was just Jo Blow's kid missing from the street all these people wouldn't be involved so I'm curious.  What does each agency handle?  I wish I was as smart as out brilliant Monkey researchers but I'm not.  Sorry I can't contribute more to each case so I'll have to rely on the expert Monkeys here!

Thanks Wyks & Scatty!  ::MonkeyWink:: But but...... You laughed at me!  ::MonkeyTears::

 ::MonkeyAngel::


Has anyone asked him to work the Kyron case?

Please forgive my ignorance but who is Tim Miller?

As part of the 1994 Crime Bill, Congress mandated the U.S. Secret Service to provide forensic/technical assistance in matters involving missing and exploited children. The Secret Service offers this assistance to federal, state and local law enforcement agencies and the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children. On April 30, 2003, President George W. Bush signed the PROTECT Act of 2003, known as the "Amber Alert Bill", which gave full authorization to the U.S. Secret Service in this area.

The Secret Service has supported the NCMEC and local law enforcement agencies with its expertise in forensic photography, graphic arts, video production, audio/image enhancement, voice identification, computerized 3D models and video and audio tape duplication services.

Nawwww.. didn't laff, just grinned.   ::dogwag::

nicubird, I think so too.

We mentioned these rings a while back, and I suggested she just likes bling, wherever it comes from. No significance. Here's the picture:

(http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-snc1/v2511/0/7/1264414625/n1264414625_436886_6240403.jpg)

Good!

She can't see Kitty cause of the RO, right?  I know I would be jumping up and down way before now to see my child but I guess she would have to answer all these questions about Ky.  Where does she think this is going to end up?  Did she really do something with Kyron?  Did she cause it?  Does she know who did it?  Does she know absolutely nothing and answering any question and them not believing her would still make her look guilty and keep her from Kitty anyway?  If they have all this evidence against her or enough to keep a grand jury in session for a couple of months then why not arrest her or whomever?  WTH?  Please someone give us a sign!  I just can't say it enough times but I do hope they have the right person or persons in their line of fire (TH).  If it's not her then they have let someone go free for too long.  MHOO!!!!

Wow, A very informative compilation of the various agencies and what they do for missing and exploited children:
http://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/ojjdp/206555.pdf

gmaw, Tim is an amazing man, whose own daughter went missing when she was 16.  In the search for her, he realized how very helpless a parent feels, how little they often are told by LE, how frustrating it is for family as time moves on with no sign of their missing child/teen/adult, and how alone it all feels, and must have felt for the one missing.  He saw the police misconduct, saw over and over other cases of missing loved ones cases mishandled.  He realized that had someone acted more quickly, their loved one may have been found.....alive.  He knew the guilt and anger, the family life torn apart and saw his own life destroyed by alcoholism and pure defeat.  He turn his life around and decided to live it for finding the missing loved ones of other families.  And in doing so, feels like he is honoring his own daughter.  He made a vow to her, and has been living that vow out each and everyday since. 

His team is amazing, they've found many many folks alive and brought them safely to their loved ones.  They've found many folks deceased that LE had long since given up on, and brought closure to those families.  He and his team goes out of their way and beyond to find even one missing person.  While his ranch was nearly destroyed by a natural disaster, Tim and team were busy looking for the missing and continued.  He goes where he is needed, and asked, and in the cases of Stacy Peterson and Caylee Anthony, has been treated disgustingly by some members of those families.  He didn't let that stop him from helping the next family tho.  He doesn't let anything stop him.  He made a vow to his daughter, and intends to keep that vow if it kills him trying.  A few times I've worried that it just might. 

Well.. that's my short version about Tim, am sure that other monkeys have more to add.  He's America's Hero, IMO.  Here's one long version of Tim's story, including pics here and there:

http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/criminal_mind/forensics/texas_equusearch/1.html (http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/criminal_mind/forensics/texas_equusearch/1.html)

Wyks, thank you for this. Now I KNOW him not OF him.

You're welcome!  Have followed several cases now that have included Tim and his team searching.  To know him is to love him.  IMO. 

I just finished reading the whole of the article on Tim Miller.  I appreciate SM even more knowing about its inception.
Amazing.

Since the board is 'slow' right now I will go O/T a bit to point out how PJ is now blinking.  Doesn't he look real??? Thanks to Brandi!

THAT'S SO COOOOL!!!

http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=2018740&id=1264414625#!/photo.php?pid=436886&id=1264414625&ref=fbx_album
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nicubird, I think so too.

We mentioned these rings a while back, and I suggested she just likes bling, wherever it comes from. No significance. Here's the picture:

(http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-snc1/v2511/0/7/1264414625/n1264414625_436886_6240403.jpg)
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I have the hardest time looking at this photo.  For some reason THIS photo more than any of them makes me want to cry.  This was a REAL boy with real feelings and a real live beating little heart.  Look at his cute little pumpkin face there with his binky in his mouth.  GOOD GRIEF who ever did this needs to be beat and beat and beat again and then bring him/her back with CPR so that he can be beat again.

I look through all these photos of Kyron and there isn't a mean spirited thread in that kid's body.  He was just a kind little soul and I'm so sorry to write this in past tense, I do truly hope for a miracle.  Tomorrow is a long time to wait for another press conference.

He is blinking!  How sweet is that?!!  Our Brandi, she's amazing.   ::MonkeyDance::

Wyks. Thank you SO MUCH for posting this link. I just finished reading the profile of TES and Tim, and I am just so filled with gratitude right now for the opportunity to participate on SM and to contribute in my own little microscopic way. I have felt an inexplicable affection for Tim since he arrived on the scene in Caylee's case, and now I feel as though I 'know' him even more. He has always struck me as such a humble, teachable person. What a tribute to his daughter Laura. What an amazing organization. And what an amazing group of people you all are!

Thank-you

Have gone back to the start.. again.  I know some of you have really strong beliefs, and I'm not trying to change those!  Am kind of tiptoeing past, not trying to upset anyone, not trying to rock the boat either.  I just am wondering if this case can be looked at in an entirely different way.  From the start. 

What if...
~ We were to look at everything that seems to have been said and done.. from LE/family/media.. as 'distractions' for the public.  Distractions intended from the start as part of some kind of tactical thing from the FBI and the fancy profiler that was brought in from back east. 

It just seems to me that nearly everything we've heard about and seen happen so far have been SO FAR over the top, that each and every one has been an OMG how could anyone DO that?  Something perhaps that didn't really happen?  But was made to seem happen?  So that the FBI/profiler could work quietly in the background .. watching someone other than anyone in the family and/or circle of friends?  Let the family and circle of friends keep the public busy with such outrageous things that no one would notice what's really being focused on? 

What makes me think of this is Terri's seemingly non-caring attitude about Kiara having been taken from her......... in addition to pushing the divorce hearing seemingly as far away as possible.  First of all, look at how very much INTO Kiara she seems to have been, the pictures, the focus on Kiara in her MS/FB and etc.  To have gone from that to feeling nothing at all?  Nope, that's hard to believe.  So what am I missing?  The possibility that Terri knows things aren't really happening as they seem to the public as is happening?  That she's not really losing her daughter forever, that the divorce may not really even be happening. 

I can hear some of you now.  Would the court/attorney/LE/other agencies have agreed to waste their time by what they've done so far??   I dunno.  Maybe, if it was on request of the federal agencies higher than them working this case, who may be needing distractions, to nail the ones they really are looking at. 

Why else no arrests yet?  Why else no apparent 'evidence' found yet?  Why else does it seem that THIS particular case is being worked and handled like NO OTHER missing child case EVER????? 

Is all this wishful thinking on my part, and some of you are just banging your head on the keyboard??   ::MonkeyHaHa::   Sorry....  ::MonkeyCool::   I just dunno what else to think about this case. 

Yes, thank you.
 When I read the docs from yesterday, I saw that and wondered...can't wait for the press conf. tomorrow.

I was just looking over at InSessions, and don't know what to think about this. A week or two ago a young boy was attacked in a park, here is the article again  http://beaverton.katu.com/content/police-hunting-greenway-park-suspect   Does anyone have a picture of the sketch of the man who did this, and a pic of the man/groundskeeper at Skyline School on the 4th. People are talking about how similar the characteristics are, and since I'm no good at that, just wondered if anyone saw that. And want to make it real clear, I'm not accusing the groundskeeper of anything, just that supposedly the two look similar. Interesting, but more then likely nothing.

http://hlcdn.datasphere.com/sites/katu.com/files/imagecache/resize_story_image/081810_greenway_park_sketch.jpg      Here is the sketch of the man who attacked the boy in the park.

 ::MonkeyKiss::It is a very "out there" case...no need to be sorry! I have wondered some of these things and more...red herrings?  ::MonkeyNoNo:: I will keep praying no matter what...clarity, knowledge...I think of the poem, "The Weaver"
http://www.sermons.org/story11.html

Greenway Park suspect:

http://beaverton.katu.com/content/did-you-see-man-around-beaverton-monday

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/SanVacation/081810_greenway_park_sketch.jpg)

Groundskeeper, Dave Stensen - Skyline:

http://www.katu.com/news/local/100582364.html

(http://media.katu.com/images/100812_stensen.jpg)

Oops, meant to add, glad that God sees the top, but, wow! ::MonkeyShocked:: What a mess we see

Wykes I think anything is possible. There is a lot of speculation out there and in my opinion one guess is as good as the next. I am in the middle somewhere. Not sure who is guilty of what. Chances are Terri did this but she could be the target of a misguided investigation or she could be willingly being used as a smoke screen. We just don't know.

(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/Kyron/Image51-1.png)

Very similar, IMO.

I think a lot of men in that age group probably look similar, thanks Klaas for posting their pictures.

Thanks Brandi, there are some similarities and just thought it was interesting.

No earring? How could the earring be missed.

The only similarity I see is that they are both older men.

I agree.

Dave Stensen seems to be a bit heftier right now than the man in the sketch and the picture of him from his website.

But, still very similar.

I can see why people are talking about the similarities. 

The pics look similar but the one in the truck he looks heavier, (sorry groundskeeper man, don't mean to be rude,) But then the pic brandi posted his face seemed slimmer. BTW that poor 13 year old boy! My god what an awful experience for him. They better catch that guy quickly before he attacks another child.

I agree with that

I don't think he's heavy, I think it's just the camera angle in that one pic:

http://www.gungadave.xbuild.com/#/on-the-farm/4514218372

Perhaps he doesn't wear it everyday? Is he wearing an earing in the pic brandy found of him? I can't tell

I can too.

Put them altogether in one image to look at them:

(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/Kyron/Image55.png)

But as I said, he seems to be heavier currently than the sketch and the image he has on his website.

You're welcome, mediamama!  I hear ya, and feel the same.  Would love to actually meet Tim, am betting he is as he appears to be.  Feels good to know that we can each contribute in whichever way possible, and all of it is welcome.  I like that for TES, if Tim and his team come into an area near any of us to do a search, we can become part of his team, for our own areas.  For those who cannot physically search, there are many other things that can be done.  Feels good to know that, makes it feel less frustrating, like we are doing something to help these families with missing loved ones, no matter where we are.  Feels good to be part of the forum that is supportive of Tim as well.  Like we are an extension of his work.  ::rhino:: 

Also, it looks like the sketch is without a mustache.  What do you think Brandi? 

Thank you Nana!   ::MonkeyAngel:: 

And thank you for the link to that beautiful poem! 

Very true, TG, we just don't know.  And it's so freaking frustrating.  Sometimes it feels like the 'calm before the storm'.  And sometimes it feels like they got nuttin.  I have to go with the impending storm, cuz I just don't want to believe that all that has been said/done so far has been for nuttin.  Sigh. 

As much as I don't want to think this, I think Dave could have shaved and taken out his earring to look almost identical to the sketch. Yes, he'd have had to have shaved his mustache off and trimmed the beard off his cheeks.

Even the wrinkles look similar, the deep creases around his mouth, and his ears are exactly the same.

They look way too similar for my comfort level.

Wow those pics really ARE similiar!   ::MonkeyEek::

While looking for similarities in older men, please check for photos of all Photobucket and Facebook accounts from the Portland area. Ya' might've missed dragging someone into this.

Sheesh!

So the groundskeeper man he works for the city correct?

He is a bit heftier.

Yeppers.  I agree.  More so than the other one.  And the little hairs on top of his head that stick up a bit.  That seems to match the detail in the sketch.  Strangely similiar.