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I think I deleted a post by accident that was Magnolia's.  If I did Magnolia I'm sorry.

Thanks, San!  Too funny! ::MonkeyCheer4::

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Hi, Muffy!

Hi Magnolia  ::teddybear::  The scene at Bucuti Beach Resort looked so lonely and deserted, I was checking to see if anyone was around.  I was getting skeered here all alone lookin' at that pic.   :smt117

Has anyone seen/heard anything more about Joran being in solitary?  Is he out now?  And actually, I wonder if he really was/is in solitary or is that just the media talking?  I'd like to see a picture of him in solitary.  Ooops.  That's what supposedly got him in there in the first place was the photo of him with his buds in prison thought, right?

I think we have taken turns in "solitary" in here today.... ::MonkeyJnBox::

Klaas if you are around. Have you looked at the signers of the petition to get Joran (and all Dutch prisoners in Peru, yeah right) moved to the Netherlands. Someone from RU or BFN is trying to be funny. I just want to be around when they sentence him to 35 yrs. in that other prison.

http://joranuitleveren.petities.nl/

A HUNDRED PERCENT NO!

On the Record w/ Greta - June 23, 2005

ANITA VAN DER SLOOT, JORAN VAN DER SLOOT'S MOTHER: Joran is a very outgoing person. He's a sweetheart ...

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, HOST: Any drug use or alcohol use by him?

ANITA VAN DER SLOOT: A hundred percent no. No. He is, like, Mom, I would not smoke or I would not use drugs because I am a sporter. I want to make something out of my future. If there would have been anything of that, I would have noticed. I'm a teacher. I work with kids between 12 and 18 years, the last 25 years. So you're used to so many things, problems that appear with your students. You're so alert. And I think you're even more alert with your own children.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160471,00.html

I don't believe for one second that he was or is in solitary.

It's the doings of the International Friends of Aruba Anita

Yes I've seen it, they are idiots

Good Lord ---- even IF they could throw out Joran's "confession", it does not mean they could not hold him for murder from the weight of the physical evidence. Joran is NOT going to be released on a "technicality".

urine is toast....throw out the confession.....doesn't matter....he killed Stephany and Peruvian police have plenty of evidence.....urine is toast.......

 ::HelloKitty::   Good morning, everyone!

Helen Back, I just copied your last post regarding Seisma Oil/Justin Solomon to the Oil & Gas thread since it had been discussed/followed there.  Thanks.   ::MonkeyCool::

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I am still licking my wounds from last last visit to this thread .. Those knitting needles hurt..
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But do not include me in this thought.
I want Joran's life to stop right where he sits.. DEAD
It is the best for all the world, as he WILL harm again if released.
jmho

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If this has been posted I apologize..

Joran Van Der Sloot In Hellish Confinement
LOS ANGELES, CA., Sep. 10 (TOTI) --

World-infamous accused killer Joran van der Sloot has been thrown into 'hellish solitairy confinement,' says a new report from National Enquirer.

After a shocking picture emerged last week that showed van der Sloot posing with other notorious killers while smiling, the prison administration has clamped down on van der Sloot's privileges.

In order to make his life miserable, prison leaders have cut off visits from his 'girlfriend,' which is effectively cutting him off from the rest of the world.

“That's enough to wipe that silly smirk off his face,” said one insider.

Within days of the photo's release last week, prison officials at Miguel Castro Castro prison locked Joran van der Sloot into a windowless solitairy confinement cell.

They were furious about the widespread attention his smirking photo captured.

“Now he's in a cell blog the guards jokingly call 'the meditation area' – and it makes his former hell-hole seem like a four-star hotel,” said the source. “And when van der Sloot is let out of solitairy, his life will be in danger. He won't have the protection he had with his killer cell mates. Right now he's confined 24 hours a day and there is no electricity, so he's in cold and darkness from dusk to dawn.”

The insider went on to describe the bleak conditions of Joran van der Sloot's life in prison.

“He has to listen to the rats scampering near him,” said the source. “The solitary confinement could last for several weeks until prison authorities are convinced he's learned his lesson.”

According to the tabloid, Joran had begun a relationship with a slim blonde, who is no longer allowed to visit.

“Now she's been banned. Instead of enjoying the food she used to bring, he's on the worst prison diet you can imagine.”

The photo, which showed van der Sloot with William Trickett Smith II, Hugo Trujillo “The Clown” Ospina and an unidentified man, was a source of income for van der Sloot.

“An investigation discovered the picture was taken by a guard, who sold it for $1,000. Joran admitted he was paid about $70 from the proceeds, which he used to pay protection money to the thugs who rule his cell block.

Copyright 2007-2010 by Times of the Internet. All Rights Reserved.
Published: Friday 10th of September 2010 01:47:43 PM
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http://www.timesoftheinternet.com/147747.html

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I am sharpening those needles even as I speak!   ::MonkeyCool::

http://www.24ora.com/local-mainmenu-5/21947-transmision-bibo-mama-ta-acusa-inspector-di-polis-di-abuso-sexual-di-su-mesun-yiu.html

Link to live broadcast:

http://www.24ora.com/local-mainmenu-5/21958-live-for-di-fundacion-contra-abuso-di-menor.html

Papiamentu translation:

transmision bibo: mam is acusa inspector by police by abuse sexual by her same child

monday, 13 september 2010 11:18

fundacion lissete gomes owing to be called one conferencia by prensa cu caracter by urgencia before today afternoon 2:30pm at they office situa at caya ernesto petronia # 45. topico by the conferencia will is one caso by abuse sexual by child by one inspector by police haci cu her same child muher diminutive. present will tey fundacion lissete gomes, the mam by the victima, her advocate y siciatra enahoro. tanto 24ora.com because itv canal 49 will transmiti the conferencia here bibo.

comentarionan (7)

scirbi before geweldig,
september 13, 2010
this will become interesting. as look at cuanto person will bird near we police macho hand? please blokia the door but arrestatie team is come into before bay cu the yui muher diminutive. * report abuse * +6 *

scirbi before chui,
september 13, 2010
the ley before clip pilinche by abusador still not owing to happen.... * report abuse * +5

scirbi before margaret,
september 13, 2010
one gradicimento for by deep by we soul y curason is go at 24ora.com y canal 49 cu is go all out cu person muher y children abusa sexualmente tanbe hombernan abusa. y 24.ora not have ley cu the malbadonan. y is berdad cu the inspector here owing to haci abuse sexual cu her child. y ela hasie before vengeance. before do the mam danyo. but is the same child beautiful by dje ela break her life can colmpleto y do danyo permanente without think 2 times. the have cu go carga the consequencia also!! y sharp * report abuse * +0

scirbi before naruto,
september 13, 2010
pesey one fundacion so is important. y important also before have person balente so cu is depart at defence y cu is laydown the abusador in luz before her ado not sigi.. that cu the can is. y that cu the is the have to pay before being one abusado. before one abusador so not have pardon. * report abuse * +0 *

scirbi before cortador by pilinchie,
september 13, 2010
adieu cu have person upstairs facebook is apoya the porkarianan here they will follow cu they abusonan!! tanto person mohe y man cu is apoya the porkarianan here happen serka sr. cortador by pilichie before do date. at the mohernan cu is apoya the abusadornan here, speciaal esnan cu owing to apoya ex-meneer by scol happen serka my before my viola your before so look at if thing i have do is algo by apoya ok? at present miss for her apoyadornan y violadornan go look for advocate y obliga 24 hour before know that owing to write this!!! be alive freedom by expreshon. smilies/grin.gif * report abuse * +0 *

scirbi before mr.aikon,
september 13, 2010
clip the cos afoooooo come across!!!!!! is so alone the cos they here will come to anend smilies/angry.gif * report abuse * +0

scirbi before tochi,
september 13, 2010
is quite good cu the lady here have the curashi by come fast y say publicamente is that the police here is. we have to stop by sconde y trece all cos fast before hanja oido. not can wordu measure cu 2 liniaal in the casonan here. y is dicon ministerio publico at owing to detene the sir here same if was one another person? that we be willing to know, but will i am claba before listen the rueda by prensa here. quite good haci senjora come across! come across

I watched a little of the press conference earlier today.

Now, the article and both links have gone poof from the front page of 24ora.

TM

Is this the same story?

http://www.boletinextra.com/index.php/corte/71-corte/3548-homber-cu-a-abusa-di-mucha-muher-menor-di-edad-entre-1999-y-2009-dilanti-hues.html

That's more like it!!!!!!  ::MonkeyCool::

I don't see mention of a police inspector being the accused, but it's an awful story too!   ::MonkeyNoNo::

I do see mention of 24ora, but I think they're saying they should show the identity of this accused molester just like the pictures published of other accused molesters on 24ora.

jmo

Papiamentu translation:

man cu owing to abusa by child muher younger by edad among 1999 y 2009 fast judge

friday, 10 september 2010 22:52 8 comments

one man by 51 anja yesterday have to owing to give cuenta at judge before all the acusacionnan contra dje. the is wordo acusa cu among 2 june 1999 till 21 august 2003. also fiscal is acusa the sospechoso cu in the period 22 by august 2003 till cu 10 october 2009 the was haci actonan inmoral y was hang on to relacion sexual cu the child younger by edad. the victima was present in corte together cu her mam y one trahador social. the mam owing to bay haci denuncia owing to base by informacion ricibi by psychiater cu have to owing to interna the child in paaz. psychiater owing to constata cu the child is traumatisa door cu before one period quite largo the was wordo abusa sexualmente for her partner by the mam by the child. investigacion owing to indicate cu he was cumpra the child door by dun’e coin y regal’e cosnan. the acusado is bird on in corte cu the agent by kzp owing to work one procesverbaal contra dje already cu neither instant the agent not owing to read her declaracion. the agent owing to wordo listen in corte y the agent owing to say judge cu he owing to bis’e cu time the child had 5 anja past owing to cuminsa touch cune y time the child had 11 anja past owing to cuminsa hang on to relacion sexual cune till cu at present cu the child have 15 anja. judge owing to ask the agent if past owing to read the declaracion by the sospechoso. the agent owing to say judge cu past owing to read the declaracion before he y caminda he was be willing to owing to haci cambio owing to haci’e y after owing to lag’e company. the agent also owing to say cu past owing to bay curacao before interoga the brother muher big by the victima, that owing to say cu more or less 10 anja happen past owing to see he is haci actonan inmoral cu her brother y cu owing to haci denuncia. according the agent past owing to read by the caso here in documentonan at kzp. judge owing to confronta he cu her declaracion haci serca fiscal. at fiscal also he owing to admiti various trip cu thing is bird in the procesverbaal is berdad y owing to admiti by owing to abusa by the child. in corte owing to man is bird on one not. past owing to say cu is one thirst up have contra dje. judge owing to say cu the is pospone the caso because the be willing to attain more informacion cu will is important for her caso. the be willing to attain the raport by gynecologo cu owing to check the child. besides judge be willing to owing to raport by 10 anja happen caminda denuncia owing to wordo haci. also judge be willing to one analisis by psychiater on the child y kico is the pronostico before cu the child.

comments 0 #8 sandriman,a 2010-09-13 08:07 come cu ley by castratie same cu at polen. i am assure cu all the machonan will go pense 10x before they comete actonan so cu child! quote +1

#7 as earnest 2010-09-12 18:26 at gaol by south america is tolera matado thief y more pear less violador pio if is by child if thou depart are you depart cu good recuerdo by behind quote +2

#6 bubu 2010-09-12 12:48 abusador here merese by wordo castra before her viesedad more berdad saca her photo before everybody know that eta! y have to cuminsa registra sort by elemntonan so upstairs one list corra because sex ofenders so person know cuanto by this they have at we island y where they live y that they're before can vigila y monitoria they movement y delata cada cos cu they do bad! quote +1

#5 eigna 2010-09-12 09:39 saca the indentidad by the remainder human ey in publicidad is laydown cu the indentidad by her victima also become conoci. corda cu he tbt pareha by the mam by the victima. una bez everybody know that he is....tur person can tel op 1 + 1 = 2 if is in your caso...boso will be willing to before world entire know cu thou yui owing to wordo viola? awel i not! quote +3

#4 margareta magdalen g 2010-09-12 08:11 thing have to haci: before obliga everybody cu is wordo sospecha or is one abusador sexual y another type by abusador: "nan" have to entrega coin at one "fondo" before so the victimanan here attain ayudonan! y so work on the organisacion 24ora for her victimanan can have one lugar assure cu person cu can yudanan! kizas y assure so here the abusadornan is go cuminsa think 2x first pace they have cu go pay at the fondo before they actonan! niun person like they touch cu they cartera or coin! quote +2

#3 owing to.r.u.b.a. 2010-09-11 07:53 already if come across,si is so kiermeen the ley hulandesnan owing to cuminsa infiltra come to anend at aruba,locual neither by we aruban not was be willing to but cu cambio by the statuut as wait for con they're atende cu we religion come across,cultura,tradic ion we custumber and we manner. quote +15

#2 aruba 2010-09-11 07:40 berdad laydown potret name y all cos before everybody see is that the abusador ey is.pa everybody is altanto hour they see type by abusador so. quote -6

#1 mr aruba. 2010-09-11 04:25 the perodista pandushi here is juda tapa the abusador her identidad door by not publica neither, name completo, neither inicial, neither photograph. tipico by the aruban original, tapa cos. segur is her familia the abusador is pesey the is tapa pe. learn by 24 hour.com caminda photograph by another abusador by child at scol, if is poni, man cu skoa owing to try by proteha...pero not owing to succeed....awor everybody can cuida they jiu by the cos here. quote come across

 ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyGavel:: I want them to take a picture NOW!!   ::monkeywine2::

I so hope this is true. ::MonkeyGavel::

Apparently Geert Wilders gave a speech at Ground Zero on Sept.11. Here is the link, if anyone wants to hear him.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a7zl9xwuVVc&feature=popular

For those that question the Medjet....I found this interesting:

Can you sue for injuries sustained in Aruba?

Asked by: admin 5 views amp, arub, aruba, bs, compound matters, femur, fly, insurance, paddock, pockets, recourse, screws, tort law

My wife had to have surgery in Aruba resulting from a fall in a Dutch Bar (The Paddock). Hospital would not take insurance BC/BS and it was all out of pocket. Had to extend my stay an xtra 10 days-all this on CC/over 10 grand. Now I’m told too bad so sad!
No tort law there. This did not happen in an American held property. Any recourse??? DO NOT GET INJURED IN ARUBA-ALL THEY DO IS PICK YOUR POCKETS!
Anyone been in the same situatiion. To compound matters, the surgery was done wrong (the rod in the femur was too short & the screws were too long). I’m told there is no malpratice law in Arub as well. The procedure was done by the head of the hospital. DO NOT GO THERE. FLY OUT EVEN IF IT IS LIFE THREATENING

One of the comments:



rukidding on Sep 14, 2010

Hmmmm….I surprised you couldn’t. I’m not really sure. After what happened to that girl from Alabama a few years back and the Aruban government’s run around, I don’t know why any American would go there.
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http://injuredfaq.com/can-you-sue-for-injuries-sustained-in-aruba/

Thanks Buckeye!   ::MonkeyCool::

And to think of all the reports of tourists injured on atv's, in car accidents, and to note that I've only seen the ones that haven't been kept off the online news sites.

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It's no wonder we never see reports of American's that we've seen transported to the hospital, LEAVING the hospital; or never even a follow up report.

Natalee's family was well advised to have the Medjet there in the event she was found and injured.

As a very wise Monkey says quite often:

AVOID ARUBA AS IF YOUR LIFE DEPENDS ON IT, IT DOES!

TM - is the the sex abuse case you posted that disappeared?

http://www.24ora.com/local-mainmenu-5/21987-mama-di-victima-di-abuso-sexual-ta-evalua-pa-bay-corte-europeo.html

Mama di victima di abuso sexual ta evalua pa bay Corte Europeo      Print      E-mail
Tuesday, 14 September 2010 01:09

Mama di e criatura di apenas 3 aña di edad cu a bira victima di abuso sexual di su mesun tata Inspector di Polis, awor ta para na un crusada dificil. Aki na Aruba su opcionnan legal ta cabando, pero esey no ta nifica final di su bataya. E mama ta boga pa husticia y lo sigui lucha te final. Dia 6 di februari ultimo, un mucha muhe di 3 aña a conta su wela cu su tata ta mishi bruto cu ne na su parti delicado. Investigacion preliminar a demostra cu no tabatin penetracion ni rastro di maltrato. Pero asina mes, e mucha muhe a keda para riba cu e no kier bay mas cerca su tata pa e motibo ya menciona. E mesun storia e mucha a conta na varios sicologo, na sikiater di mucha y na su dokter di cas.

E mama, un hurista trahando na Ministerio Publico a entrega un denuncia na su mesun colega Fiscal. E biaha aki no como un miembro di nos poder hudicial, sino como un mama luchando pa husticia pa su unico yui. Particular den e caso aki ta cu e tata ta nada mas y nada menos cu un Inspector di Polis, encarga entre otro cu e departamento di JZP cu ta investiga e mesun tipo di casonan asina.

Procurador General a haye sinta cu un caso masha dificil, pasobra di un banda e tin un colega di dje di Ministerio Publico y na otro banda un Inspector di Polis di cual nan ta traha hunto tur dia pa bon di e muchanan y ciudadanonan abusa na Aruba. Ambos persona, tanto e mama como e tata, ta figuranan importante den nos sistema hudicial y cu amplio conocemento den e tipo di asuntonan delicado asina.

Pa evita cu mayan lo tilda e caso di falta di neutralidad, a laga polisnan experto den interogacion di mucha atende e caso. Ora nan a saca nan conclusion, a manda e caso pa coleganan di Hulanda pa nan evalua e caso y duna un conseho. Riba nan conseho e ora Ministerio Publico a dicidi di "seponeer" e caso, argumentando cu e pruebanan riba mes no ta suficiente pa ni sikiera cuminsa un caso penal contra e tata. E mama, haciendo uzo di su derecho, a apela e decision aki na Corte Comun di Antiyas y Aruba. Aki tres Hues a bolbe evalua henter e caso y na final a dicidi cu nan ta di acuerdo cu no tin base pa cuminsa un caso penal contra e Polis.

Claro cu awo e proceso civil lo sigui, awo cu tin mas claridad riba e investigacion penal. E mama a duna di conoce ayera durante e conferencia di prensa cu e kier evita cu su yui mester bay bek pa mira su tata, maske ta 1 bes pa siman.

E mama envolvi ta sinti cu su recursonan legal a cuminsa agota y kier un contesta riba e pregunta: Kico lo sosode awo cu e denuncia haci pa su yui muhe. Ta parse cu si pruebanan no ta suficiente, e ora ta djis tuma un decision sin importa e daño cu ta haci na un pober criatura di apenas 3 aña di edad cu ta un victima di abuso sexual di su mesun tata. Cu esaki den mente, e famia a opta pa busca ayudo cerce Fundacion Lissete Gomes.

Durante un conferencia di prensa, a elabora riba e caso aki y e fundacion ta denuncia publicamente con den e caso aki a dicidi cu no ta uza e raport sicologico ni esun sikiatrico. E fundacion cu ta sali na defensa di muchanan victima di abuso sexual lo manda un carta awo pa Gobernantenan cu e pregunta kico ta sosode e ora cu tur e otro casonan den cual si a uza e mesun raport di e mesun sikiaternan aki.

Abogado di e famia a conta prensa cu hopi procedura a bay diferente den e caso specifico aki. Mr. Amelien Flanegin ta un ex Fiscal y como tal conoce e cultura den Ministerio Publico den su plant'i man. El a cuestiona e procedura uza den e caso aki compara cu otro casonan. A uza ehempel di e caso di e meneer di scol cu a duna un mucha muhe di 12 aña un sunchi, con mesora a detene y encarcel'e. Den e caso aki a entrega keho, a tuma lunanan pa evalua si lo cuminsa cu un investigacion, a manda e caso pa Antias y Hulanda pa despues bin dicidi cu no ta persigui e tata. Un forma hipi diferente compara cu tur otro caso di abuso sexual. Loke ta hala masha atencion tambe ta e hecho cu na Hulanda a argumenta cu no por uza e raportnan sicologico ni sikiatrico pa motibo cu nan no ta na e nivel aceptabel pa por saca afor cu si e mucha muhe ta papiando berdad of no. Awo, ya cu Corte Comun a tuma e asunto aki na serio y a bari e raportnan for di mesa, ta con lo haci den tur e otro casonan cu SI a uza e raportnan di e mesun expertonan aki? Ta bon pa menciona cu aki na Aruba tin 1 solo sicologo di mucha cu ta studia pa investiga estado sicologico di un mucha.

Abogado mr. Amelien Flanegin a bisa cu e mama awor ta evaluando e siguiente pasonan. Un di nan por ta pa hiba e caso pa Corte Europeo di derechonan humano. Un decision final relaciona cu e proceso aki nan no a tuma ainda pero si ta evaluand'e seriamente. Nan no kier critica e departamentonan pero si e sistema con ta atende cu kehonan di criaturanan abusa sexualmente.

Cuerpo Policial mes no ta dunando comentario riba e caso specifico aki. A cumbini cu Ministerio Publico cu nan mes lo mester sali argumenta nan decision cu a wordo ratifica dor di tres Hues imparcial. E tata tampoco no kier duna niun reaccion ainda pero a keda di delibera cu su abogadonan pa dicidi den ki direccion lo sigui.

Obbviamente cu partidonan awor lo drenta e debate civil y niun di dos kier daña nan posicion dilanti Corte civil cu lo mester dicidi cu si e tata lo por sigui mira su yui of no. Den henter e proceso aki, desde februari cu e asunto aki a cuminsa, no a permiti'e mira su yui muhe mas tampoco.
(http://www.24ora.com/cache/multithumb_thumbs/b.175.125.16777215.0....images.stories.news.2010.september.sept13.confabuso.frontconf.jpg)
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(http://www.fishex.com/galleries/king-crab-fishing/incoming-crab-pot-l.jpg)

To put a body in a trap..
This trap weighs in at ... 700 lbs.

(http://www.fishex.com/galleries/king-crab-fishing/placing-pots-2-l.jpg)
It is handled by a crane.


http://www.fishex.com/galleries/king-crab-fishing/photo-gallery.html

I gotta run before the women with the Pooky needles find me..  ::MonkeyBike::

EDWARD - what is to say that a body could not be taken down to a trap already on the ocean floor?   The trap was only in 90 feet of water (more or less) so a weighted down body could be easily guided down to the trap and placed inside so it wouldn't float to the surface.  Say you weight down a body that is wrapped in a tarp, guide it down and put it in the trap?

Besides, all we can go by is Kyle's description of the trap.

Edward
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 -
« Reply #835 on: September 10, 2010, 10:36:08 PM »

I know what you mean.. But that fish trap weight is about a ton ... 2000 lbs.
So it would not be Joran dumping it there. It would have had to have been dropped off a very large boat or ship.

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http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8341.msg1226458#msg1226458
 

oceanexploration
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #743 3/14 -
« Reply #682 on: March 18, 2008, 01:28:45 PM »

I learned from a source that there is only one place/person(?) on Aruba where a large commercial fish trap would have originated.  This should make it a reasonable venture figuring out who's trap we found.  The next logical move would be after finding them, asking them to explain their missing trap.  1) How did they lose it  2) why was it lost where it was 3) what were it's contents when it was "lost" and 3) what boat was used to transport the trap.

Any ideas of who may have possessed such a trap?
Approx. 7.5 x 7.5 x 2.5ft, and 200-300lbs, hundreds of feet of rope complete with 4-point rigging.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2705.msg366260#msg366260

Or even in a body bag or a zip up sleeping bag.  I'm just saying there are more ways to get something in that trap than placing it in above the water and lowering it in.

It was even suggested at one time that trap was being used as a DRUG drop.

Doesn't look like Dennis Jacobs has lost any weight, maybe gained.  Picture in Diario today.

(http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff15/sueann37/atraco4.jpg)

A TRUE GRID SEARCH MISSION?

Natalee Holloway's Uncle

private eye
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #742 3/10 -
« Reply #690 on: March 13, 2008, 06:56:18 PM »

I don't believe that Kyle or anyone else is allowed to review the case documents, according to the policy of the prosecutors office. I thought the beauty of the Persistence is that they were to do a true grid seach mission which depends not on psychics or even tips from the authorities, and as such their work would be independent of the investigation. They were there simply to attempt to search a predefined area for Natalee's remains. So I am not sure why they have been lured into defending the work of the Aruban authorities or a discussion of the validity of the investigation as they are not knowledgeable as to the investigation, other than what they have been told by these Arubans. There are an awful lot of highly educated people who have been chumped by people of far less formal education. A well trained police force is not thwarted by a grieving mother and the media.

And Kyle, I by no means am being disrespectful, I think you are brilliant, sincerely. But I don't think your education or work experience has prepared you for a cover up by these types of people. And I think you may be severely underestimating the education, experience, and wisdom of the monkeys and other coverup believers. Don't let them make a fool of you. We need you.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2689.msg364756#msg364756


A VISION?

The Detective and The Detective's Brother

Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words

Kyle Kingman:  While we were searching shortly before Christmas, we were contacted by an Aruban detective who was involved in the Holloway case.
 
Kyle Kingman: Just before Christmas they are contacted by a detective and his brother who gave them information that turned out to be the correct latitude.

Kyle Kingman: He came to us during the search along with his brother who had a "vision" on where Natalee was disposed.

 Kyle Kingman: The brother thought they were coordinates, but it was just a latitude. Oddly, the latitude was within a half mile from where we found the trap and centered on Arashi beach. 
 
Kyle Kingman: Based on this latitude we payed a little more attention to the northern portions of the search grid near that Latitude. The trap was found shortly after, within the original search area, but very close to the provided latitude.

Kyle Kingman:  I think he used his brother and gave us only the amount of information he felt we needed to come across the trap.

Kyle Kingman:  If a key detective's brother knew the latitude the trap was disposed at or very near, then it's probable the detective knew the same.

Kyle Kingman:  The implications of this are tremendous. If true, it means that the early investigators knew where and how Natalee was disposed and it was kept secret and covered up.

Kermit - Scared Monkeys


ARUBAN AUTHORITIES

Silvetti and Richardson

Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words

Kyle Kingman:  I hadn't slept in 48 hours. I crashed for a few hours rest and by the time I got up Dateline and Tim Miller had left the boat. That is when John [Silvetti] assumed full control over the remainder of the project and had us searching in the deepest portions of our search area which coincided with Richardson's remarks. Richardson told us after the Jan-7th dive to keep searching in deep water.

Kermit - Scared Monkeys

He is not a healthy looking member of Aruban law enforcement and it wasn't frosted flakes that got him to that size.    ::MonkeyRoll::

Wow he's huge  ::MonkeyEek::

I have never seen any evidence of any of the 3 boys diving fishing or anything having to do with water.
I think it is just computers, gambling, chasing and druging girls and working on the boat.
 

Yes the trap for drug runners is referred to as a "mail box"
Drugs leave Venezuela and put into a trap and dropped into the water and then at some point the buyer comes by and hooks onto the trap which is tied by rop or cable and a bouy and pulls it up.
 

Tamikosmom 
Please go to the website I linked to the images and it clearly says the weight on the traps they have.. which are also the pictures I posted.

It is only a suggestion for discussion. I would not want to change your mind.   ::MonkeyWink::

So I was wrong on the 2000 lbs... Go Ahead and Poke me.  ::CowboySmiley::

At this period in time ... Dennis Jacobs did not have a clue in regards to the unrelenting force that was sitting across the desk from him ... the unrelenting force he was treating with such disrespect ... the unrelenting force the Island of Aruba was was going to have to reckon with for years to come.

Janet

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Loving Natalee – Beth Holloway

Page 60:  He pushes one hand and then the other down and across his belly, which is extended by his rearing back.  He says, “I’ll have to eat my frosted flakes first,” and then, running a hand across his jaw, adds, “and get a shave before I can deal with you.”  And with that he gets up from the chair, exits through the little swinging door, and disappears ….

For now ... I will trust the qualifications of Kyle Kingman to decern the measurements and weight of the specific trap discover in Aruban waters ... the specific trap that Kyle Kingman determine may have been the remains of Natalee Holloway.

Janet

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The Search for Natalee Holloway
Monday, November 26, 2007

I. Mobilization

Kyle Kingman - Field Project Manager, Geophysical Engineer and Marine Geologist - Responsible for side scan sonar acquisition, digital processing, analysis, and target identification. Kyle will assist in side scan sonar operation and guide the ROV (remotely operated vehicle) team to each sonar target.

Posted by Kyle Kingman


Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words

Kyle Kingman:  I took the proportions of the body form from the head, to shoulder, to a 90 degree angle which I believed to be the hem line of Natalee's skirt. I then took those proportions and matched them to the photo of Natalee with what she was last seen wearing. The proportions matched within an inch from head, to shoulder, to skirt line. Based on this comparison and with what we believed we saw in the Dec 29th video, Tim Miller contacted the family and told them the 99.9% comment. I told Tim not to do anything until we have forensic results back after the site is processed. Jan 7th we sampled the contents and in my opinion we found the skirt under the sand along with the other items The blue fabric was found right where the skirt is pictured. If it isn't her, it will forever haunt me as a major cosmic WTF.

SELF EDIT - LAST POST

may have been the remains s/b may have held the remains

Valentijn van der Sloot was already scuba certified by the time Natalee went missing.  I would suspect Joran was as well.  We know for a fact that the Gottenbos and many other of Joran's friends had boats readily available to them and likely also were scuba certified.

I have no idea if the Kalpoes even know how to swim.  ::MonkeyCool::

Have a good afternoon all!

I am off.

 ::HelloKitty::

Janet
11:05 AM PT

the qualifications of Kyle Kingman.


http://geosolutions.blogspot.com/

Kingman Geophysical Solutions is a consulting geophysical engineering sole proprietorship specializing in managing marine geophysical projects from conception to completion. KGS provides Geological, Geophysical, Marine GIS and Hydrographic survey consultancy services to multiple domestic and international offshore industries and governments with over 60 projects successfully completed to date.

KGS, owned and operated by Kyle Kingman, is recognized by the Society of Industry Leaders as a leader and pioneer in the new field of marine GIS and advanced marine magnetic detection and imaging.

KGS provides both innovative and industry proven solutions for geophysical, geological and hydrographic survey companies who seek efficient and cost effective turn-around from data acquisition to a finalized report and product.

Services Include:

Project Management
-On site project management from conception to completion.

Processing, Interpretation, and Reporting
-Side scan sonar processing, mosaicing, and analysis for all types of geophysical surveys.
-Shallow seismic processing and interpretation for geological and geotechnical assessment, sediment volume estimates, depth of burial, shallow gas, fault mapping, submarine geohazard evaluation.
-Advanced magnetometer and gradiometer data processing and analysis for locating submarine utilities, obstructions, debris detection, mine detection, UXO, or archaeological findings.
-Multibeam and single beam sonar charting, bathymetric contouring, slope stability analysis, route generation, slope maps, aspect maps, and other cartography.
Client Representing
-Provides client representative services ensuring geophysical survey data quality and suitability, GIS and chart data quality, enforce proper safety and environment (HSE) procedures, real-time route engineering on-site or onboard, and provides live feeds back to the office.
Marine GIS
-ArcInfo GIS –based solutions combining geological, geophysical and geographical information to solve complex problems often in real time.
-Cartography and charting of marine survey data
-Real-time tracking of vessels, ROVs, AUVs and sea-plows, in a GIS environment during installations, inspections, burials, removals, etc. enabling critical real-time command and engineering decisions based on all the relevant information

Kyle Kingman has successfully played an important role in the following project types:
Pre-lay and post-lay pipeline and cable route surveys (both fiber optic and HVDC), subsea damage assessments, site surveys, rig placement, submarine utility locating, PLEM, and other energy related surveys, LNG deep water and shallow water terminals, hazard and risk assessments, wreck location and investigations, offshore wind farms, deep water excavations, and more.

For more information contact: Kyle Kingman - oceanexploration@gmail.com

http://geosolutions.blogspot.com/

Thanks.

Very impressive!  I can only assume Kyle had the ability to determine the size and weight of the trap discovered by his sonar scan and ... analyzed through his ROV imagery.

Janet

Yes, I think that's it!  One of the pictures is of the two women I saw during the press conference too.

Thanks Klaas!   ::MonkeyCool::

This is the same story in Amigoe.

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_78134.php

Google translation:

Foundation child again at the bell
September 14, 2010, 13:41 (GMT -04:00)

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Petronia mother and her lawyer Amalin Flanegin at yesterday's press conference organized by Fundacion Gomes Lisette.

ORANGE CITY - In a case of a former employee of the Public Prosecutor (OM) and the former head of Youth and Vice on the alleged abuse of their now three year old daughter that judicial double standards of proof in abuse cases.

Believes that at least the foundation against child abuse, Fundacion Lisette Gomes, who yesterday in a press conference about to raise the alarm. The mother of the toddler and her attorney were present Amalin Flanegin. According to Mother S. Petronia gave her daughter in February that her immoral acts with her father had committed. Because the position of the man it took a while before the woman had lodged. Normally such declarations is done by the police whose father was the head, said the lawyer. The mother finally decided to report it to the Land Recherche. There, too, took a time before action was taken because the functions of the couple in the judiciary.

Evidence
The girl was eventually medically examined by a pediatrician, but with no signs of abuse were found. Studies by a child psychiatrist and a psychologist on the island it was concluded that the toddler was behaving like other children who are abused. Justice let the girl go even further in Curacao by police interrogations there (on video). The prosecution was nevertheless after these investigations and interrogations are not convinced of the evidence to prosecute the father. The prosecution sent the evidence whatsoever for review to the National Expert Group Vice Special Affairs (LEBZ) in the Netherlands. According to attorney Flanegin has never happened before in abuse cases.

LEBZ concluded that errors were made in the questioning of the child and investigations. The prosecution then decided not to prosecute the father, after which the mother was appealed to the Court of Justice. That action, however, she lost recently. According to her lawyer because the judge was also included in the conclusion of the OM that there is insufficient evidence of abuse and thus relied on the report of LEBZ. One of the arguments of the Dutch authorities that the interrogations are not certified by customs investigators have done. "But that's always been true even in cases of other abuse cases, such as investigators, we have not. Why are the experts in this case, also in other abuse cases are used and which defendants are convicted, were suddenly not good? "Said Flanegin. She is now considering for its customer to the European Court of Human Rights to move because of this unfair treatment. "What am I going to say to my child," says the emotional mother yesterday's press conference.

He is very impressive.. Still the weight is undetermined without a scale to weigh it.

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_78130.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

Judge maintains dismissal Director Lotto

September 14, 2010, 1:38 p.m. (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - Endy Croes will not return as manager of Lotto pa Deporte. The court has been opposition to the dismissal this morning rejected. Croes was fired because the board of directors of the foundation lotto him responsibility for abuses in the accounts. Among others claim was excessive behavior as shown by examination of the accounting firm Ernst & Young hired. According to Croes did not resign but he should have because the research on the internet in June and was a media hype against him arose. The court rejected this argument, however, because of privacy violation played no role in this matter, or whether there was sufficient basis to dismiss the director. The court confirmed the fact that Croes' to be largely over by the director already receiving a monthly entertainment expenses, claims submitted by him. "

Endy Croes was the closing of this edition is not available for comment.

September 14, 2010

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Aruba Girl said that if it rains on Aruba for 30 minutes it floods. Wonder what would happen if they got hit by a hurricane?  ::MonkeyAngel::

Edward,

FWIW, we have discussed the trap and/or traps and Kyle's qualifications to the hilt here.  So far, you are not posting anything that has not been discussed in the past.  I'm not saying it's not welcome to be discussed again....I guess you had to be here.

Just sayin'.   ::monkeydust::

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_78094.php

Sale of Bushiri almost settled

13 Sep, 2010, 08:23 (GMT -04:00)

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ORANJESTAD — The government and The Baron Investors have almost settled the sale of the former Bushiri Hotel. “The sale is heading in the right direction”, says Minister Otmar Oduber (AVP) of Tourism, Labor and Transport.

Expectations are that the sale will be definite within two to three months. A five-star hotel from the Hilton International chain – that collaborates with The Baron Investors – is then to arise at the location of the former Bushiri. Meanwhile, the government has already started giving the garden of the complex a facelift.

The building has been empty for years and fell prey to drifters, vandals, graphite gushers and arsonists. Unidentified persons set fire to the roof of the Bushiri Hotel at the end of July. The damage to the building was less than expected because the fire brigade was on the scene shortly afterwards. For a long time, the former government tried to sell the hotel. At the beginning this year, it became clear that the sale to the Spanish Sol Melia group, who showed interest in the former Bushiri Hotel for a long time, was over and done with. Although developer Trusam wanted to purchase the building, he did not live up to the relevant conditions and therefore prohibited from construction as developer.

Seroe Colorado
Expectations are that contracts for the investments in Seroe Colorado will be signed this week as well. In any case, project developer Sunrise Rock is to pay the security money for the long lease agreement this week. The government expects one could start with the construction of the golf course and hotel of Sunrise Rock at Seroe Colorado before the end of this year.

 ::MonkeyAngel::

Natalee's Candles

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5700.0

And to add to the ways of moving a body:

Kite Board Bag/cover
http://www.cyclonekiteboarding.com/index.php?page=accessories&id=42
(http://www.cyclonekiteboarding.com/accessories_images/42_1_l46ee35.jpg)

Sleeping Bag
(http://image.sportsmansguide.com/dimage/128478_ts.JPG?cell=300,300&cvt=jpeg)

Garmet Bag
(https://bredincomau.melbourneitwebsites.com/auto/thumbnail/persistent/catalogue_images/products/Garment_Bag_-_front.jpg?maxwidth=200;maxheight=200;pcolor=ffffff;style=padded;tcolor=none)

You could actually move a body without notice in the back of a truck with any of the above.  Weight it down and put it in the ocean either in a trap or not.

Going through my old photobucket from 2005/2006.  I'll post anything of interest

Huh-uh.......... don't tell me that!  ::MonkeyShocked::

I've kept the thought of Joran in solitary as my mood lifter for days now!   :smt090

Guess it's back to the bottle..................      ::monkeywine2::

I really liked the description of the place, too; Dark, dank, rats, gruel to eat, no electricity.....  Just the place for a worm like Joran!

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Or just wrap it up in that blue tarp and put some rocks in.  ::MonkeyJnBox::

You know, you'd be one scarey serial killer. Just sayin..........   :smt040

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Is that the furniture delivery truck? I still say they got rid of stuff so Nat's DNA couldn't be discovered.

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That's just wrong, Klaas.

The pink tubes somehow make that just wrong.

ROFL!!

July 26, 2006

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July 21, 2006

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Joran and Fabienne July 2006

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July 21, 2006 - it was right around this time that Joran allegedly got kicked out of the Bahia for it's rumored having sex with Aline either out in the open or in the bathroom.  Not sure.  They had names for girls like Aline when I was in high school.  ::MonkeyCool::

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/JoranKoen072106.jpg)

I just know those arms aren't attached. The Wonkey Eye gang is coming in from the night's activities hauling spare parts. I'm sure they're headed for the nearest LE drawer to deposit them.

Family portrait minus sister

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Susann, Valentijn and Melody.  I believe this was after Joran went to Holland:

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/SusannValMelody.jpg)

Note what looks like a sleeping bag that Melody is sitting on.  I believe this photo was around Christmas 2005 when Joran returned for a visit.  Melody and Aline I guess slept over in Joran's apartment at the Sloots  ::MonkeyWink::

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/jvdsbloggirls2.jpg)

Still don't know if this was a girl or a guy.  I'm sure Joran would go either way:

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/joranbite2.jpg)

I have been here since day 1
Just saying


You must realize that when Dave was kicked out of the landfill. If the body was there, it was moved. If it was used to the ocean it was put into a container.
The most practical method of moving a body. A body that smells and has fluids as all dead bodies do.
This is the most practical method. Not the fish trap.
Of course you have discussed everything a million times over.. No doubt about that.
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These beauties are available at booth the refinery and the landfill.
No smell ..Sealed container that could be moved in a pickup truck without anyone even having the slightest concern. It could be put on a boat without concern.
It will sink like a rock if filled proper before the lid is sealed.
Persistance found these on the ocean floor. They also had many targets that they did not investigate.
IF A body was actually in a trap Beth would know it.
jmho

From when PEACHES asked me to add a yellow ribbon to her avatar  ::MonkeyTears::

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Yes Edward we discussed the drums as well.  Did you know that the houses all have those types of drums they use for trash? 

Notice the drums outside of Jaime's house.  They all have these including the Sloots:

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I'm sure you're setting me up with some of these pictures, so I'm not going to comment that with the way Joran's chomping down, even if it is a boy, he won't be for long! No, I'll just keep my halo intact and say nothing.   ::MonkeyAngel::

Maybe Joran had career aspirations as a mohel?   ::MonkeyCool::

Box of evidence:

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/holloway2.jpg)

August 29, 2005

F.A. = Freddy Zedan Arambatzis

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I know, Klaas. I run into her avatars every time there's a Holiday, and it always catches my breath. I like to think that Peaches and Natalee have shared a heartfelt hug.   ::MonkeyTears::

This was on the JoranVDSBlog posted January 26, 2006:

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 ::MonkeyTears::  I have been thinking of Peaches and how brave she was.  I miss her humor.

 ::MonkeyCool::

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Michael Posner:

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Regarding the Skeeter/Dr. Phil/Deepak tapes.  The ones that were given to Roger by ALE that SMS and Dragonfly transcribed for Roger/Scrux.  The tapes likely manipulated in Aruba.

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Yes I know Deepak had a Blue Plastic drum in front of his home.
The refinery has many more..

Bondia -  February 1, 2006:

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ALE - this was an actual photo that was in Amigoe Curacao.

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National Enquirer - January 12, 2006

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Wreck or Blah asked for this one I think:

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Hiram and Aline - Aline really "gets around" if you know what I mean  ::MonkeyDevil::

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/HiramandAlineViP.jpg)

That excessive sweating may have been a sign of heart disease.  I don't think Arubans try for a healthy lifestyle, quite the opposite (just look at Renfro)


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An actual dead donkey in the dump/landfill in Aruba circa 2005:

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/dump.jpg)

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Break time, lol  ::MonkeyHaHa::

I am loving all of these!! ::MonkeyDance::

A tug boat assists a ship into the refinery in Aruba. On deck are the 55 gallon sealed drums.
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Those drums are very common to Aruba. They are everywhere.

Heck, Natalee could have taken a fire bath with Ruth at the crematorium..
Why Paulus and Joran were so relieved after awhile because they were positive she would never be found...

I hate redundancy.. Going over something time and time again.. it drives ME crazy. ::monkeywine2::

That is why I do not post much in this thread as we have all seen it all over the years..
It is also why I can't say the trap is the item. If it was a human skull and bones it could belong to any drug person who ended up in the trap.

I have no idea, but I can't settle on the trap.

Edward - then don't.  Nobody is telling you what to  believe.

Sometimes redundancy is necessary to keep a story alive.  Not an easy task after nearly 5.5 years.

A dead animal directly into the landfill.... they are a discusting people. ::MonkeyNoNo::

I know Klassend and I appriciate all of yours and others hard work on this case.

I get frustrated on lots of cases of missing people. I still keep working the case anyways.

This turned out to be quite prophetic considering his flight from Peru to Chile.  The only thing missing is his buzz cut & bad dye job.   

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Klaas............. the pictures are GREAT!! I'm loving them and I know all of Natalee's posters will too!

They've been a God Send for me today. I never take a day off from work anymore........ I just can't do it, BUT today I've been waiting for Charter (my internet/cable company) to fix my cable. They won't give you a time range or guarantee to call before they come. If you miss them (and I swear they knock once while slapping a notice on the door, then run), you have to reschedule and wait another month.

It is now 6:01pm and they have not shown up. I called an hour ago and was told "Yes, they would be here today". Um-hum.... I'm holding my breath.

If they do show up, they owe you a big Thank You. I'm not growling as loudly as I was before you posted them!

Paulus was the Truman Copote of Aruba?  ::MonkeyTease::

I don't remember this one, but I love it!!

I hate waiting for cable and people like that  ::MonkeyCool::

Maybe we should send this guy after him?  (http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/cop_watch_it_lg_clr_15360.gif)

Royal Plaza - Aruba - police

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Bondia 2/1/2006 - bet they wish we hadn't saved things like this  ::MonkeyCool::

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/bondia020106.jpg)

http://www.facebook.com/

Gottenbos family +1

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Gottenbos/Gottenbosfamily_07282005-1.jpg)

August 2006 - I doubt his birthday in 2010 was as much fun  ::MonkeyCool::

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/JoranKarioki.jpg)

http://www.facebook.com/

Sander Gottenbos and Stephany van Gijn

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My saved photo of the same slightly altered pic  ::MonkeyDevil::

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/gottenbosrafting2.jpg)

 ::MonkeyDevil::

OMG!!!  ::MonkeyHaHa:: That's hysterical!!

http://www.magic96-5.com/

Ivana Werleman, Phillip Merryweather, Aline Hibbert

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/JVDS/AlineHibbert_PhilipMerryweather_112.jpg)

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(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/JVDS/AlineHibbert_PhilipMerryweather_-1.jpg)

I like that one too!   ::MonkeyDevil::

 ::MonkeyDance::

http://vibesaruba.smugmug.com/Groups/Moomba-Beach-29-Aug-With-Party/13554017_4s8BP#988036575_aPAES

8/29/2010 Moomba Beach with Party Squad

(http://vibesaruba.smugmug.com/Groups/Moomba-Beach-29-Aug-With-Party/DSC05035-800x600/988036575_aPAES-M.jpg)

Just when I think I've seen it all!   ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyDevil::

Fernando Mansur's Birthday Party!

http://vibesaruba.smugmug.com/Groups/Fernando-Mansur-Bday-Party/13291533_Pgi2W#965782612_5Pxkf

OMG, lolol  ::MonkeyDevil::

Nice pic of Ronchi too  ::MonkeyCool::

(http://vibesaruba.smugmug.com/Groups/Fernando-Mansur-Bday-Party/DSC01753-800x600/965783909_Mzbad-M.jpg)

(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e82/klaasend2/NE122506.jpg)

You really had to see the original poster of this at RU to understand fully:  ::MonkeyDevil::

(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e82/klaasend2/idaho.jpg)

(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e82/klaasend2/idahoSIS.jpg)

What Deepak and Satish will see IF THEY EVER go to court in Los Angeles  ::MonkeyCool::

(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e82/klaasend2/MonkeyCourtroomDeepak.jpg)

(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e82/klaasend2/Globe121806a.gif)

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After one of his whiney fits:

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Ummmmm, ok..I'll take a stab at it...DENNIS JACOBS?

http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=4540&offId=0

(http://www.awe24.com/_moblog_items/4540/2_1284497401.jpg)

Vadir van Loon?

http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=4539&offId=0&offDate=2010-9

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I'm way behind ...... you have probably already addressed this.......
I don't think Joran, Satish, or any of the boys put Natalee in the trap. It certainly did not happen that first night. I think she was put in there considerbly later than after the fact -- it would not surprise me in the least if high placed government officials and/or ALE did not put her there days, weeks, or years after the fact.

I agree Wreck.

I was looking for this one earlier, found it looking for Vadir's jeep! 

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/MISC2/AlineRogerKoen.jpg)

Like I said, Aline is very friendly and gets around  ::MonkeyCool::

She is also an idiot.

The island "bicycle" if you will.  ::MonkeyBike::   ::MonkeyWink::

VALENTIJN VAN DER SLOOT - DIVING


(http://img685.imageshack.us/img685/1516/valentijnvanderslootdiv.jpg)

 ::dogwag:: ::MonkeyDevil::

 ::MonkeyCool::

Of course, it is possible that even though they live on an island, and Joran was a sporter and all, that he never learned scuba or even how to swim.  Guess it's possible, LOL  ::MonkeyCool::

Oh Yeah!   ::MonkeyEek::

Gee look at that picture of Val swimming and taking pictures.  Do you see that Joran your brother is free.  He is the one who went to college in the states.  He is the one who enjoys his freedom.  Doesn't that bother you Joran?

Oh wait I forgot he isn't reading here because he is in Peru rotting in jail.

Doesn't Tim Miller have some sonar equipment that can see through that concrete by the pool at the van Der Sloot house?

Not sure if it can see through concrete but Tim was never given the OK to do anything on the VDS property.

MMG I remember that one, laffed for hours.
Thee were so many good laffs here late at night in those days.
The little popo car with Dompig driving the K bros. Hiliarious.

http://vibesaruba.smugmug.com/Groups/Zissles/13221174_8xYDa#959951243_nwmGN

 Zissles

(http://vibesaruba.smugmug.com/Groups/Zissles/DSC00826-640x480/959951243_nwmGN-M.jpg)

Rosalie?

http://vibesaruba.smugmug.com/Groups/Zissles/13221174_8xYDa#959951266_a7SCA

(http://vibesaruba.smugmug.com/Groups/Zissles/DSC00828-640x480/959951266_a7SCA-M.jpg)

http://vibesaruba.smugmug.com/Groups/Zissles/13221174_8xYDa#959951323_Eq7sa

(http://vibesaruba.smugmug.com/Groups/Zissles/DSC00831-640x480/959951323_Eq7sa-M.jpg)

Rona Coster Kahan and Tina Escobedo on right

http://vibesaruba.smugmug.com/Groups/Zissles/13221174_8xYDa#959953120_B2m2U

(http://vibesaruba.smugmug.com/Groups/Zissles/DSC01554-640x480/959953120_B2m2U-M.jpg)

Maybe Rosalie.  If so she looks horrible.

 ::MonkeyDevil::  Looks drunk

http://vibesaruba.smugmug.com/Groups/Zissles/13221174_8xYDa#959953259_giDhR

(http://vibesaruba.smugmug.com/Groups/Zissles/DSC01560-640x480/959953259_giDhR-M.jpg)

I would expect no less.   ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyDevil::

That's a keeper - August 2010

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http://vibesaruba.smugmug.com/Groups/Zissles/13221174_8xYDa#959953716_dQpEM

(http://vibesaruba.smugmug.com/Groups/Zissles/DSC01593-640x480/959953716_dQpEM-M.jpg)

"She looks like 40 miles of bad road." -- Foghorn J. Leghorn

She has really porked up.   ::piggy::

more times than I can count

 ::MonkeyDevil2::

OMG!!! I'd forgotten that!! ROFL!!!!   ::MonkeyDance::

He didn't need to learn to swim, Klaas!

Chit floats!   :smt040


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Two innocent women lost....because of urine and the murderers coverup crew on aruba.....paulass/anitass/urine/k2 will surely rot in hell...and there will be a lot more scumbags that will join them........The more they defend urine....the more they will have to answer at their Judgment Day....it is coming..TIC TOC.....

THE NIGHT THE LIGHTS WENT OUT

NANCY GRACE
Suspect Released by Aruban Police
Aired April 24, 2006 - 20:00:00   ET

NANCY GRACE, HOST: But Dave, what do you believe led to the additional searches there near the fishermen huts and then out in the water?

DAVE HOLLOWAY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S FATHER: I think it has to do with the boat theory. You know, after all, we`ve searched all the land a number of times by air and, you know, by foot. And it keeps coming up, over and over again, even from the assistant prosecutor early on in the case that a boat was used to, you know, take Natalee out in the ocean. And that continues to come up, over and over again. And, you know, I think it needs to -- someone needs to give it some attention.

GRACE: Well, Dave Holloway, aren`t there logs and isn`t there surveillance in place in Aruba of all the ships that go out of the tiny island, even at night?

DAVE HOLLOWAY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S FATHER: Well, there is but on one of those nights, I think it was June the 7th or June the 8th, the electricity went out on the island for about two hours so you wonder if that would have been the prime opportunity to do it. Small boats, I don`t think, can be picked up as well as the big ones.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/24/ng.01.html

The 7th or 8th of June is plausible -- but, remember when it was reported on about the 10th that Natalee was found and Beth and Dave raced to the courthouse? I think she WAS in the hands of the authorities at that time. I still think she ended up in that cage -- the time frame could be just about ANY time. - JMO

I agree Wreck

 ::MonkeyCool::  Yoo Hoo

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JULIA FOUND A GIRL

Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Page 117:  It's the police spokesman calling the tip line.  "We have a girl and we think she is Natalee.  Go to Bulbali station.  We want you to identify her."

About this time Jug, who is out on searches, gets the same tip from the island newspaper reporter.  "Julia found a girl and thinks it's Natalee.  Let's meet at Bubali." .....

The physical need to touch Natalee overwhelms me.  Both fists are flexing open, then shut, then stretched open again.  I want to hug her.  Hold her.  Touch her hair.  Take her her home.

Page 118:  The police spokesman who just called has her picture.  He must know this is Natalee.  And Julia is a reporter.  She certainly has photos of Natalee, because she has used them in her newspaper.  She must know this is really her.

We finally arrive to see multitudes of people standing outside of the dark police station.  We are the last ones here. ....

Everyone present is either a native islander or with the media.  They all knew to be here before we even got the call.  They all knew.

Page 119:  The people who told us to be here know what Natalee looks like.  And maybe she is here and has told them her name herself!  Still no one is in sight.  I keep looking toward the office area behind the short swinging counter door to see someone - anyone - coming our way.  We are alone .  Waiting.

More time passes.  Then from the left a door opens, and detective Jacobs brings a woman out.  Jug and I don't move.  She looks like she could be an American.  She has very dark hair.  We don't know if she's a tourist or if she lives here, but she looks notHing like Natalee. ...

This still gets to me.       :gaah: ::pullinghairout::

Unbelievable.....

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 ::HelloKitty::  Hi, pinetucky.....talk to us.

Hello. Just coming down from the rafters for a moment to say thank you to Klaas for all you do for Natalee and for SM. Also thanks to all Monkeys to your continued dedication to Justice for Natalee.

 ::MonkeyDance::  At last, you've broken your silence.  Don't sit up in the rafters...join us!   

 ::MonkeyGavel::  Justice for Natalee is what it's all about. 

Hi pinetucky  ::MonkeyDance::

IT IS DEVASTING

Dr. Phil Show - January 29, 2006

Beth Holloway Twitty:  "There are times when we're thinking that we need to continue, and of course we're still searching for answers, but it's this rollercoaster ride. And it makes me so angry, Dr. Phil, when I let myself fall for information coming out of an official who represents the island of Aruba. If somebody presents you with false hope and false information, it's devastating."

http://www.drphil.com/slideshows/slideshow/3041/?id=?id=&slide=3&null=null

You're welcome Pinetucky  ::MonkeyCool::

Yep, Joran picked the wrong country to murder in this time   ::MonkeyShocked::

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http://www.24horas.com.pe/locales/1284563180.php

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_78176.php

Google translation:

Aruba Fashion Week in New York

September 15, 2010, 15:00 (GMT -04:00)

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Tourism Minister Otmar Oduber busy during New York Fashion Week.

ORANGE CITY / NEW YORK - Aruba Fashion Week, scheduled for November 2011, was yesterday in New York brought to the attention of participants and spectators of the New York Fashion Week.

An Aruban delegation yesterday at the event announcing the Aruban fashion week. Tourism Minister Otmar Oduber (AVP) is there along with representatives of ATA, the international media company, and IMG Fashion Group said that Aruba Aruba Fashion Week over the next three years is organized every year in Aruba. IMG, organizers of the Fashion Weeks in New York, London and Milan, is delighted to be working with these "creative" people, as late as general manager Peter Levy know. The event, according Oduber contribute to the island as a "mecca" of fashion and style on the map. "One of our goals is to improve the tourism product and be recognized as chic and sophisticated destination." The government invests half million dollars in the event that designers, celebrities, models and fashion-conscious tourists to bring together.

How many times have we seen suspects in Aruba transported in the back of those hatchback police vehicles?  I know I have many, many times.  Yesterday, a suspect (big time repeat offender btw) accused of stealing a car if I understand correctly, was released because his being transported that was was deemed "inhumane".  Many are furious about it.

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_78172.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

Commotion on trunk Declaration

September 15, 2010, 12:01 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - Within the police force has been outcry over the statement yesterday by the Public Prosecutor (OM) that suspects 'inhuman' way after they have been treated in the trunk of a police car were transported.

The president of police union Spa Guillfred Besaril would itself have been ordered to the mood among the police to calm down. This weekend was a suspect by the OM left at liberty, because after his arrest in the trunk of a police car was transported. That was illegal according to the OM. According to the angry policemen However, this is a trunk of an SUV. In addition, these vehicles have seats equipped with air conditioning.

Facebook also has a lively discussion about the press statement of the OM. Dilma Arends as a journalist finds it "outrageous that this is a stupid excuse used to mask a bad decision."

Attorney Ricardo YARZAGARAY puts the decision of the OM correct. He says the suspect in question has a long and figured that if someone handcuffed in one position and is transported with respiratory problems may arise. The press release of the OM is now in the Netherlands and arrested by various news media.

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_78173.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

Lotto Pa Deporte final dismissal Director

September 15, 2010, 12:03 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - Endy Croes will not return as manager of Lotto pa Deporte. The court has resisted the dismissal Tuesday rejected. This ends the legal battle Croes, because in dissolution proceedings, the law does not allow for appeal.

Lotto pa Deporte Foundation asked the court in August to cancel the contract with Croes because of the existence of a 'serious cause'. That was why the next lottery foundation that it has hired accounting firm Ernst & Young (E & Y) had found irregularities in the reimbursement of travel and entertainment expenses to Croes.

Croes was in January, was made inactive pending the outcome of the investigation of E & Y. He has weathered the dismissal request should be rejected because the investigation was published on the internet and then "a media hype against him arose. The court ruled Tuesday that the privacy breach, how bad is also not relevant in assessing the request. The court believes that the investigation showed that sufficient Croes declarations submitted by "a very large extent" rise above the regular monthly fees for representation he has received. In the opinion of the court is even worse, because this is the director of Lotto, a foundation with a public purpose.

Not refuted
The court assumes that the findings of the audit report correct, because those findings by Croes hardly be refuted. "It is striking that on the part of Croes hearing no word on the subject is given," the court in its verdict. Croes would be commenting on the draft report from E & Y or attempts have addressed the findings to refute, but attempts are in the opinion of the court each time stranded on "too general and vague references" to other documents which are not further designated . "There is no reason to believe that E & Y in connection with the examination selective pieces collected. But if that is so, then Croes since July 9, when the complete final report to him, offered ample opportunity for missing or additional documents to collect and by way of defense to present to the Court. However, this has been received, "said the judge.

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_78165.php

‘Incorrect procedure AIB with financing Ritz-Carlton’

14 Sep, 2010, 08:49 (GMT -04:00)

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ORANJESTAD — In the court case against the construction of the Ritz-Carlton Hotel at Fisherman’s Huts, the environmental organizations also condemned the conduct of investment bank AIB. The latter issued a so-called performance bond, a guarantee from investor Hotelco to the government that the hotel project will be carried out.

The former government under MEP concluded an agreement with the investor in 2008 – in which one agreed to invest an amount of 125 million dollars in the hotel. The government initially wanted 10 percent of the amount as guarantee, but in the agreement of 2008 it was decided to increase that to 20 percent. Just before the long lease deed was drawn up at the notary, not only was the 20 reversed to 10 percent, but the investment amount was also lowered substantially. As a result, Hotelco only had to deposit 5.1 million dollars as guarantee. This took place at AIB, who issued the performance bond on October 27th.

However, according to the environmental organizations, the bank should have verified whether everything had gone according to the rules before issuing that bond. According to them, the project lacks cohesion, because the investor does not comply with all government conditions for construction. Moreover, according to them, there is a question of under-financing. One cannot realize a luxurious five-star hotel with the current investment amount. The environmental organizations state that if AIB had fulfilled their inquiry obligation, the latter would never have issued the performance bond.

On September 22nd, the judge will give a decision on this court case, in which the NGO’s want to halt the construction. This newspaper reported yesterday, that three of the four environmental organizations who had instituted the case, were declared admissible. That should have read ‘provisionally admissible’ as the judge could still decide differently on the case.

More pictures here: ::MonkeyWink::

http://www.24ora.com/local-mainmenu-5/22039-aruba-fashion-week-aruba-in-style-pa-2011.html

I was just reading the other day about a Tuscany complex planned to be built across from the Ritz (if I read correctly).  Seems that the planning board is moving ahead on any possible construction despite any votes against. 

http://www.aruba.com/news/general-news/tuscany-residence-aruba-gearing-up-for-construction/#more-4502

SOURCE: IMG

 
 
Sep 15, 2010 16:38 ETIMG Announces Partnership With Aruba Tourism Authority and Aruba Fashion Group
First "Aruba in Style" Event to Take Place in Fall of 2011

NEW YORK, NY--(Marketwire - September 15, 2010) -  IMG Fashion and the Aruba Tourism Authority, along with its partner the Aruba Fashion Group, announced today a three year partnership for IMG to consult on the creation and execution of Aruba in Style -- a yearly fashion, entertainment and lifestyle event to take place on the island of Aruba beginning in the Fall of 2011.

"Aruba already offers some of the best designer retail offerings in the Caribbean, and we feel strongly that this new partnership with IMG and the launch of the Aruba in Style event will help to elevate the island's reputation as a mecca for fashion and style," said Mr. Otmar Oduber, Aruba's Minister of Tourism, Transportation and Labor Affairs. "One of our top goals in increasing tourism to Aruba is to bring more high-profile events to the island, such as Aruba in Style, which will generate increased awareness of Aruba as a chic and sophisticated vacation destination."

Aruba in Style will be a mix of fashion shows, parties, presentations and shopping at one of the Caribbean's most exciting destinations. Taking place in various locations around the island, the event will bring together designers, celebrities, models, fashionable consumers and the media to experience in-season resort, ready to wear and bridal collections in distinct, intimate parties as well as over the top extravaganzas. Activities will include unique in store shopping experiences, open to the public events and exclusive invitation-only soirees.

Aruba hosts one of the region's best retail mixes along with unique destination hotels and resorts and, of course, some of the best beaches in the Caribbean. Its unique topography, fantastic restaurants and friendly, diverse population add to its charm and sophistication.

"On behalf of Aruba Fashion Group we are excited to be working together with IMG and our principal sponsor, the Government of Aruba and the Aruba Tourism Authority," said Damilice Mansur, Principal of the Aruba Fashion Group along with Ronchi de Cuba and Evelin Weaver. "We are sure we will build, with these partners, what will become the most fashionable event in the region highlighting Aruba as the leading fashion and entertainment destination in the Caribbean."

IMG, a leader in the management, production and creation of global fashion platforms, will bring its expertise in establishing an event's global presence as well as industry and designer contacts to the event.

"This is a tremendous opportunity for us," said Peter Levy, SVP and Managing Director, IMG Fashion Worldwide. "We have often looked towards this region as a place where a strong, global fashion event could take place and were lucky enough to find creative thinkers in the Aruba Tourism Authority and Aruba Fashion Group who shared our vision for something both sophisticated, cool, and distinctly Aruban."

Details on the event, including participating designers, models and celebrities, will be announced in the coming year.

Contacts:
Aruba Tourism Authority
Robert Einhorn
212-754-6500, ext. 242
Email Contact

IMG
Alison Levy
646-871-2492
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Click here to see all recent news from this company

http://www.marketwire.com/press-release/IMG-Announces-Partnership-With-Aruba-Tourism-Authority-and-Aruba-Fashion-Group-1319821.htm

THERE WAS NO CHANGE OF HEART

'Scarborough Country' - August 1, 2005

JOE SCARBOROUGH, HOST:  You know, I don‘t want to sound naive here, Dave, but how does that make you feel?  I mean, I can‘t imagine me instructing my son, if he were involved in something like this, on how to cover up a disappearance and a possible murder.  Just on a personal level, as a father, how does it make you feel, looking into the eyes of another father, of another 17- or 18-year-old who‘s got the information on where your daughter is tonight, possibly, and yet it seems like he‘s doing everything he can to hide that truth?

DAVE HOLLOWAY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S FATHER:  It‘s hard.  And you‘ve got to obey the law.  And that‘s one of the reasons I brought him some spiritual books to look at.  And maybe he‘ll have a change of heart.  It all comes down to morals. 

And one of the statements that I really remember, and it sinks in, is, he can understand my position as a father, but, as the father of Joran, he‘ll do anything to protect his son.  And I believe that he will, unless he has a change of heart.

fashion = Aruba = oxymoron  ::MonkeyDevil::

"as the father of Joran, he‘ll do anything to protect his son. And I believe that he will, unless he has a change of heart" ....Time has shown that paulass had no heart....and higher powers have taken over........urine's not protected anymore...he headed down the same path paulass took....anitass will follow......

Hi 2NJ!  Hello Monkeys!

 ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyGavel::

 ::MonkeyCool::

(http://www.bucuticam.com/album2/Images/258.zoom3.jpg)

I see some turds left over from that bird, but no one else.

 ::MonkeyCool::

How does she do that?

She is omnipresent!

Gotcha!

THE DOCUMENT!

Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words

Kyle Kingman - 03/20/08:  Since I got the go ahead from Trahan, we can legally move forward. The document should follow-up the screen shots and trap content description. We can sent the document after the initial dialog. I trust then she (Beth) will be interested in the document.

The contents of the document should be discussed and agreed upon by the birds. Since I'm new here, I should take a back seat to this IMO. I would think it would be a case synthesis which culminates with the trap contents and lack of interest and motivation to fully process the site. Perhaps Beth will then use the document to create the proper motivation using the information to apply political pressure from both sides. The problem I ran into earlier with the FBI was that their hands are tied to do anything unless they're invited to the party. I think political pressure properly applied will ensure an invite to the party. Thoughts?

Title - perhaps "Case Synthesis and Search Results", or something to that effect.

jen3560 - Scared Monkeys

Did you read that Anita?  Natalee still exists there somewhere and as sure as you are cursed like the one's that helped hide her... YOUR DESTINY WILL BE THE SAME.... Return Natalee home where she belongs!!

MIXED MESSAGES

Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words

Kyle Kingman:  My intentions here at this forum weren't to just spew out all that I know. My intentions were to get a few trusted close people informed, armed, and organized. Then, once organized get a hold of Beth and present things in a controlled private and safe manner. THEN come up with a plan to procede that is well thought-out.

Kermit - Scared Monkeys


ldstlou
Re: The Cage « Reply #157 on: March 19, 2009, 12:25:09 pm »

The last posts are taken from the e-mail that Kyle sent to Jug and I in December. ....

"I had questions which were very unsettling about what I had observed during the search including the events surrounding the trap inspection by the Aruban divers and how the samples were handled by ALE - solely Richardson. This made me very uneasy. It was unsettling and I had no one to talk about it with. The Freebird forum was a place where I could safely discuss the unsettling aspects of the search and see if there were any connections.  I only did so after the group agreed that nothing would leave the forum.  I never wished for any of it to leave the forum."

http://goldmonkey.org/index.php?topic=980.msg12191#msg12191

2NJ

Please delete post 216.

Thanks

Janet


DONE

Beth and Peter de Vries caught trying to enter Castro Castro with hidden cameras

http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/7674338/__Peter_R._de_Vries_betrapt_bij_Joran__.html?p=2,1

google translation

Thu September 16, 2010, 18:33

Peter R. de Vries caught by undercover operation Joran van der Sloot

From our reporters
LIMA - Beth Twitty, the mother of Natalee Holloway, has unsuccessfully tried the Castro Castro prison in Lima to enter. According to Peruvian media Twitty was wearing a hidden camera with him.

The mother of the American teenager, who vanished in Aruba in 2005, was with crime reporter Peter R. Ferris went to the complex for a visit to the Dutchman, who still is associated with the disappearance of Natalee. Van der Sloot is in Peru for the murder of Floris Stephany.
Beth Twitty, after a brief interrogation prison turned off.


Video (Spanish):
http://www.youtube.com/user/pantelperu3#p/a/u/0/qmnr8mvKxdQ

jen3560
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #826 11/07/09 -
« Reply #1854 on: December 08, 2009, 07:07:04 PM »

Kyle Kingman posts

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March 18, 2008, 11:32:30 AM
 
This trap was not lowered by crane, or whatever because it wasn't situated in a position that demonstrated "lowering", unless one end was really weighted down? I would think the ropes etc, to the crane would level it?

-Lowering by a windlass or winch would not explain the impact depression from one corner of the trap.  If it were leveled, one would assume it would fall level.  This is further supported because the 4-point rigging was still on the trap.

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http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=6268.msg1030568#msg1030568

Thanks Jo-An

Janet

Jo-Ann

I received an email this morning pertaining to this topic.  I have been searching for an on-line report from an American network.  Nothing.  Nothing that I could find.

Thanks again.

Janet

It's been 4 hours since de Telegraaf posted this item on their site and now it's on almost every Dutch news site but I can't find anything on American sites too...

http://www.ad.nl/ad/nl/1000/Nieuws/article/detail/512781/2010/09/16/Beth-Holloway-gevangenis-van-Joran-van-der-Sloot-uitgezet.dhtml



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmnr8mvKxdQ&feature=player_embedded




http://www.youtube.com/v/qmnr8mvKxdQ?fs=1&amp;hl=en_US

THE COMPLETE INTERVIEW WITH BETH TWITTY
Thursday 31 January 2008

Beth Twitty: “They don’t even know. Oh my gosh. Oh my gosh. Oh dear God, he didn’t even know. He is just gonna take a life. He is just gonna take a life. Just take a life, with no remorse, no worry, not even a sleepless night. I hope his hell is about to unfold. God. You know. Peter, I always thought that Joran’s life was already a living hell, but it’s about to begin! Now it’s about to begin. It’s about to begin. God. He is awfull, he is awfull. He doesn’t deserve to exist on this world, he doesn’t deserve it. He is awfull. I hope his living hell is about to begin and I hope he never gets a night sleep. He hope he never gets another moment of peace, I hope his whole entire peace is about to be disturbed beyond his belief. What he has done… Look what they have done. Look what they have done to Natalee, look what they have done to our country, look what they have done to…”

http://www.peterrdevries.com/quote-beth.htm

This is saying Beth was arrested!   ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyMad::

http://www.24ora.com/internacional-mainmenu-6/22088-mama-di-natalee-holloway-deteni-na-peru.html

Papiamentu translation:

mam by natalee holloway deteni at peru

thursday, 16 september 2010 17:51

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the mam by the young perdi natalee holloway, beth twitty, owing to wordo aresta hour cu el’a try by visit joran van der sloot encarcela in the gaol castro castro at peru, cu one camara scondi. according de telegraaf, because opdracht by the journalist peter r. de vries, twitty be willing to owing to come into the gaol at lima, caminda joran is wardando her proces. guardianan owing to descubri cu twitty was have one camara in her bag. aresto one rato after cu twitty owing to wordo deteni y interoga, el’a wordo saca for by the gaol. according the declaration of policy by television 24 horas, twitty owing to hang on to one dialog diminutive cu van der sloot, but the acusado by asesinato not owing to follow cune because the does not talk without have her advocate present. interview van der sloot is in gaol debi cu the is sospechoso by the dead by the young by 21 year stephany flores. also the is wordo sospecha by is envolucra in the desaparicion by natalee holoway.

I checked all the news in Peru and I can not find that Beth is in Peru ::MonkeyEek::

 :2thinky:  Thank you for checking cecilita.  But I wonder what this is all about?

wtf is that.....crop circles :cool: looks like the Beach Patrol guys were bored...

I dont know ::MonkeyNoNo:: If Beth is in Peru, el comercio news will have something in its web page

Can't Red find out if Beth was/is there?

I don't think the monster will receive Beth in jail and don't think that Beth will want to see him.

It's on Nancy Disgrace teaser, if I were her I would have been arrested for scratching his eyes out (or something like that ::MonkeyMad:: )

Nancy Grace covering the story.  Did Beth get into Castro Castro? 

Beth in Peru per Jean.  Peter dv also in Peru.  Jean C confirms this. 

She is in Lima and Peter is there too. She also met with Steph's brother.

I don't believe she bribed guards to get into see Van der Stupid.
NG is saying there are reports that Bet has been arrested.

I am hoping a lot of this is blown up BS.  I cannot believe after all this time Beth would do something that might get herself arrested.....

 
Enrique Flores says Beth and Peter in Peru.  Film of Peter in Peru getting into van.  Someone placing hand over camera for privacy.

NG is saying that the Peruvian authorities are denying that she's been arrested.

I heard that they can not confirm that beth is Lima..

I heard that she is staying at the Sheridan across from the Palace of Justice in Lima.
Has not been arrested.

OMG.............. what's the story here???  ::MonkeyShocked::

I know but as usual she keeps repeating THE most sensational thing she can say "She has been arrested".  BS Miz Nancy

NG saying she took a camera inside the prison???

I hope she got to someone in that prison and paid them to "OFF" the monster.  A whole lot cheaper than the last time.

NG had video of them there.

That's true...the only thing I don't like when I watch NG is my 4 year old don't stop saying "BOMB SHELL" very loud ::MonkeyShocked::

Now that is something I could get behind.  Where can I send my donation?

WTH?

 ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyShocked::

Klaas, NG says Beth was "reportedly" arrested at the prison where she was meeting with Joran. There was an international atty on the show that said Beth could be charged with defendent tampering and that she had a camera.

I can't won't watch NG.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Peter De Vries was with her and supposedly got a confession from Joran on tape.

And Peter DeVries was with her. ::MonkeyJnBox::

MOEDER NATALEE HOLLOWAY OPGEPAKT BIJ BEZOEK AAN JORAN
De moeder van de vermiste tiener Natalee Holloeway, Beth Twitty, is gearresteerd toen ze met een verborgen camera Joran van der Sloot probeerde te bezoeken in de Castro Castro gevangenis in Peru.
Door MAARTJE WILLEMS

Dat meldt De Telegraaf.

Twitty wilde in opdracht van misdaadjournalist Peter R. de vries de gevangenis in de Peruaanse hoofdstad Lima, waar Joran zijn proces afwacht, bezoeken. Bewakers ontdekten dat Twitty een camera in haar tas had.

Arrestatie
De moeder van Natalee Holloway werd na een kort verhoor weer uit de gevangenis gezet.

Ze heeft volgens het Peruaanse tv-programma 24 hores een kort onderhoud gehad met Van der Sloot. De moordverdachte zou het gesprek hebben afgesloten, omdat hij niet wilde praten zonder zijn advocaat.

Interview
Van der Sloot zit in de gevangenis omdat hij wordt verdacht van de moord op de 21-jarige Stephany Flores. Hij wordt ook verdacht van betrokkenheid bij de verdwijning van Natalee Holloway.

Vorige week bekende hij in een tv-interview de familie van Holloway te hebben opgelicht.

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TRANSLATED:
Arrest The mother of Natalee Holloway was put after a short verhoor from the prison. Them according to the Peruvian tv-programma 24 hores have had a short maintenance with of of the ditch. The assassination moordverdachte will have concluded the conversation, because he does not want talk without its lawyer. Interview Of of the ditch sits in the prison because he becomes suspicious of the assassination on the person whose birthday it isperson whose birthday it is person whose birthday it is Stephany Flores. He becomes also suspected of involvement at the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.

http://www.elsevier.nl/web/Stijl/Society/275996/Moeder-Natalee-Holloway-opgepakt-bij-bezoek-aan-Joran.htm

::monkeywine2::

Sounds like she/they were detained then released.

GO BETH!

Michael Griffith said they could have arrested her for bringing in contraband (bringing a camera), not putting her right name down, etc.

AGAIN????????  ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyShocked::

Tell us more!

That old Dutch reporter brought in a camera for his interview with Joran.  What's wrong with Beth
doing the same?  Guess Anita didn't put Beth on the list.... ::piggy::

Oh, my, my, Joran---YOU are not even safe behind bars.  Just remember what Beth said, She has the next 40 years to follow you and get JUSTICE for Natalee.  Better hope she didn't slip some money to those guards before she left.

Ha Ha Ha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ::monkeywine2::

Beth is relentless. She's the picture of "Never Give In and Never Give Up". If Natalee became the world's daughter, Beth stands sure as the world's Mom.

Yes, GO BETH!!!!

http://demorgen.be/dm/nl/2181/Zaak-Holloway/article/detail/1158576/2010/09/16/Peter-R-de-Vries-brengt-moeder-Natalee-bij-Joran-in-cel.dhtml

I can't read it, but there's a story here.........

Translated link:

http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ad.nl%2Fad%2Fnl%2F1000%2FNieuws%2Farticle%2Fdetail%2F512781%2F2010%2F09%2F16%2FBeth-Holloway-gevangenis-van-Joran-van-der-Sloot-uitgezet.dhtml&sl=nl&tl=en&hl=&ie=UTF-8 (http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ad.nl%2Fad%2Fnl%2F1000%2FNieuws%2Farticle%2Fdetail%2F512781%2F2010%2F09%2F16%2FBeth-Holloway-gevangenis-van-Joran-van-der-Sloot-uitgezet.dhtml&sl=nl&tl=en&hl=&ie=UTF-8)

Part of it translated:

In a news bulletin of the 24 Horas is to see how Peter R. de Vries, with his film crew present at the departure of Beth Holloway from prison. The mother of Natalee after a short trial would have turned the prison. Apparently, Beth Holloway, with the help of De Vries, Joran would confront in the Castro Castro prison. According to 24 Horas Beth Joran would have spoken five minutes. Whether they also succeeded in shooting of Van der Sloot to determine whether the camera was pointed out before they could enter the jail is still unclear.

Do we have any idea about this visit...or about what the tape showed...???  IS THERE REALLY A TAPE?

As we all know, sometimes Nancy Graceless can give LESS that accurate news.

We likely won't know for sure if they got anything until we hear from either Beth or Peter. 

If they did get some video, I wonder if they were allowed to keep it after the camera was discovered?

My money is on Peter  ::MonkeyCool::

 ::bananadance::

 ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: You're right, and I love it!

I can't even imagine how much courage it took to try to get into that prison.

I wouldn't have been afraid of Joran, but the prison is another thing.

I am proud of Beth's courage. ::MonkeyCool:: ::monkeywine2::

I am with you CBB!   ::MonkeyDance::

Gretawire has picked it up now:  http://gretawire.forums.foxnews.com/topic/beth-holloway-arrested-in-peru

Carnut and Poochy are a bit disappointed in Beth.  I'm proud of her.  She has more balls than any van der Sloot ever had.  She made a promise to Natalee.

I would bet anything I had on Peter, too  AND that there was more that one camera. Hidden cameras have been his MO. (Not that the boy even recognizes the truth anymore but the shock alone might trigger a bit of truth from Joran.) Where is Natalee, Joran!!?

And may I just add, Beth Holloway: You are one BOLD, DARING, FEARLESS, AND AUDACIOUS WOMAN!

I stand in awe once again. ::monkeywine2::

Oh, goody.  Maybe Greta will have Renfro on to tell us all about it.

I'm sure Beth is going to be crushed that Carnut and Poochy are disappointed in her  :roll:

Oh goodie and right at cocktail time too  ::MonkeyHaHa::

The awe of the depth of a mother's love and commitment to honor her daughgter.

Beth Holloway is fearless.

I'm glad she was not alone and that it was Peter that was with her.

Peter is relentless. lol

I'm proud of her too!   ::monkeywine2::

....and some still think Peter Devries is a pawn of Aruba.

WOW !! Can't anyone here find something out? Really want to hear more about this.    ::monkeywine2::

 ::MonkeyHeart::

Everything I've seen so far is in Dutch papers which makes sense because I'm sure Peter had a film crew with him.  I haven't found anything in the Peru websites yet.

If nothing else, everytime there's an occurance or a story, it reminds the world that Natalee went to Aruba and never came home. That's a good thing for the Happy Little Island.   ::MonkeyCool::

AMEN me too!!!  She is amazing!!  GO BETH!!!!

 ::MonkeyJnBox::

In the cases I have followed and worked Beth is the example for others to follow and the meaning behind the term,
" Never Give Up and Never Give In "
No doubt about it..
 ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyGavel::

Bumpin my own post... ::MonkeyTongue::   

WOW JUST WOW!!  You go Beth!! I'm speechless with all of this!!

THE VOICE FOR NATALEE

Aruba Admission
Tuesday, August 23, 2005

BETH HOLLOWAY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S MOTHER:  I met him (Prime Minister Oduber) in his office. And you know, the main things that we went over in the meeting, Greta — you know, I wanted to make it perfectly clear that — you know, Aruba is a small island. We agreed upon that. And this island, you know, it's well connected. Everyone knows everyone. And I wanted to make sure he knew there's no way that I will accept not having answers as to where Natalee is. And if I have to spend the next 40 years being the voice for her out of Aruba.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,166524,00.html

Thanks, Muffy! I can't make Beth out in the footage taken at the prison; can anyone else? I see Peter, but not Beth.

It really could work..
When Carrie Dubois confronted first the mother of John Gardner outside the jail and then was allowed to confront John Gardner himself in jail, He told her exactly what happened to her daughter Amber and it was the truth. He cried like a babie and carrie never shed a tear.
 
So this being "very assertive" in a non violent way, really works.

I myself would rather beat him with a baseball bat ..
That is why I like Jug Twittty. ::MonkeyDevil::

Janet, I was waiting for you to find that and bring it here. You're the best!

Beth is committed. Bless her!

I couldn't see Beth either, but saw Peter...be still my heart!   I am so proud of Beth... what courage and  fortititude!

I always had absolute respect for Beth and I think we all related to what she was going through, just imagining how hard it would be if our own kids had been in Natalee's situation. Having followed so many cases here at SM with children being victims of their own family, Beth is even more like a breath of fresh air!

I may be wrong but I don't think Peru will press any charges against Beth.  I think they will give her a lecture and let her go.  I believe that culture is pretty understanding of mothers' emotions.

And I guess I would support Beth with pretty much anything she does.  Just not sure what she is trying to do now.

Watching Greta to see if she has anything more to add to this.

Was Beth maybe dressed as a nun?  That is what I thought I saw. ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyAngel::

THE FERIOUS PROTECTION

private eye
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #695 11/27 -
« Reply #223 on: November 27, 2007, 01:55:19 PM »

I have to say that I have never seen such a miracle as is evidenced by the endless dedication to the truth that the existence of this site and the participation of you posters represents. Whenever Beth has been too tired to speak or prohibited by the process to talk, this group has always, without fail, stepped up to the plate and pushed this process forward. Only the hand of God could have created the resources and dedication required to have accomplished this. Every member of this site should pat themselves on their back for a job well done. I am impressed, amazed, and in awe, not to mention forever thankful to each and every one of you as it is and has been a pleasure to watch the ferious protection you have provided Beth as it makes me believe in the existence of a God and the humanity of man.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2393.msg306707;topicseen#msg306707

(http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQgFHQW3OCzxBLYXBVoFWvgBC12WmYy2fkZH8rOVauvOY8vW0w&t=1&usg=__OUQIJRN7WA-je-cQuc5X52jJXLI=)

 ::MonkeyWink::

I saw the nun and wondered what that was about! Gosh, now I've got to go look again!  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Go Beth!   ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel::

Holy SH*T.
I am speechless.
She's got COURAGE

Now that would be funny!

 ::monkeywine2::

Nope.......... not Beth.  ::MonkeyTongue::

I know, Kat_Gram! You just can't make this stuff up!

I suspport Beth.  That's just all there is to it.

Me too!   ::MonkeyAngel::

I still haven't seen anything in the online Peru papers.  Only in Dutch and Aruban.

There is nothing that I can find in the American online publications.

Janet

I agree, Anna! ::MonkeyCool::

I am sure that Peter and Beth had a plan and had anticipated almost any outcome.

I am so very proud of her and so very scared for her all at the same time.  Balls of steel!

 ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyGavel::

I haven seen any news in the peruvian news about Beth.... I will check FB

::MonkeyShocked:: SHE IS SERIOUS ABOUT TO BRING NATALEE BACK...I WILL DO THE SAME!!!! ::piggy::

::MonkeyQuestion:: ::MonkeyFBall:: ::MonkeyFBall::  balls??  ::MonkeyCool::

Girls we have balls too but a higher level!! i am Beth's fan!!!! ::piggy::

Lifesong...I am so happy to see you in the rafters.  I have been worried about you. ::MonkeyKiss::

she just broke one of the prison's policy....it depends of the prison how to punish Beth...maybe the prison may be a little bit hard with Beth because not too long ago they had to fired or punished one of the guys worked in the prison for taking pictures of the monster, well in this case the guy sold or published the picture.

From what I'm reading it sounds like Beth and Peter have been released already and the prison is trying to say it never happened.  My bet is it did happen and they don't want it known they let Peter and Beth in.

I was leaving the hospital after visiting my son and saw on one of the lobby TVs the ticker on NG and stopped dead in my tracks.  Is it true that Beth has been arrested in Peru? 

I just got in, turned on NG which I haven't been watching and saw the headlines.
I support Beth also in whatever she she does.
I bet she has a mental picture ( if she got in and saw him ) that is priceless. Hope also that there was a rat crawling up outta his terlet hole at the time.
I did go over to RU to try to find an English link to Der Telegraph and did all I know how to do because my only concern is the ?? if / if not she was arrested ?
Rather heartstopping to see that banner.
Be back tomorrow folks !

OMG  I was on page 12 and bout had a fricken heart attack!! I skipped on up here with ya'll.    GO BETH!!!!!!    They better not hurt her. 

I stand with Beth

Rock On

come across

 ::MonkeyHaHa::  Sorry, I'm behind.

It appears so but I think she and Peter have since been released.  ::MonkeyCool::

While I was slumming I found this post of Glenda's pretty interesting in her admission regarding the Kalpoes attorneys vs. Dr. Phil's:  ::MonkeyCool::

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/GlendaDrPhilKalpoes.jpg)

Yeah, it's awesome.  Beth rocks!  ::MonkeyDance::

Klaas, could you please go to Kyron's thread for a moment. I lost my cool.

Me too Magnolia.  I would hope that I'd be brave enough.  I would be so afraid.

Oh yes -  I can't won't watch Greta either!! What happened tonight?  ::MonkeyCool::

Beth went to see him...what about Anita? ::CowboySmiley::

TY Klaas.  I hope the Voodoo doll people hooked Beth up with a few of their Joran dolls and some rusty pins before she was arrested.  GO BETH!

WTH!!!!  I'm proud of her too.  Good grief.

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Abogado no ta contento cu Joran

Publication: Diaranson, 8 September 2010. Categoria: Judicial

JudicialHULANDA: E abogado Hulandes cu Joran van der Sloot tin, no ta contento cu e entrevista cu el a duna recientemente. E abogado ta yama esaki ‘no mucho inteligente’. E ta cuestiona e hecho cu ‘circus Joran’ a duna un ‘presentacion’ atrobe. Por lo general, no ta un bon decision pa un sospechoso di hechonan castigable busca publicidad. “Ta existi caba cierto imagen y atencion hopi biaha no ta yuda”, segun abogado Bert de Rooij, den Volkskrant. Esaki sigur ta conta pa van der Sloot, kende ta cera na Peru riba sospecho di asesinato di Stephany Flores y kende ainda ta wordo sospecha di tin di haber cu desaparicion di Natalee Holloway.
Den e entrevista cu Joran a hasi cu periodista di Telegraaf John van den Heuvel, e ta admiti di a pidi placa di famia Holloway, a cambio di duna nan informacion riba unda e curpa di Natalee ta dera.

“No tabata bon pa duna e entrevista, pero quizas den palabracion cu su abogado Peruano, el a pensa algo pa cual e entrevista tabata hopi bon”.

“Mi no sa esey y pesey mi no ta bisa nada di dje”. Esaki segun de Rooij, kende a bisa cu e no kier stroba e abogado Peruano di Joran. “Ademas di esaki mi no ta su babysitter”, segun e abogado.
Palm Beach P



Article in todays Diario

Peruvian attorney not very happy with interview given by Joran vanderSloot recently.  The attorney called it not very intelligent. he questions the circus like atmosphere Of jorans making.  Its not very smart to look for publicity to seek in a case thats punishable by law. To give out multiple storys is not something that will help you says attorneyBert de Rooje.  Consequently vanderSloot remains main suspect in the death of Stephania Fores of peru. He also remains suspect in  the death 9of Natalee Holloway.

Accordingly perhaps his peruvian lawyer felt it was good to get some info out there although he felt it is not and he would not tell his peruvian attorney how to do his job..

hes not going to say to vandersloot :i told u so: nor he says is he a babysitter  for jvds and encourages vandersloot to shut his mouth
palm beach aruba... best i could do translating my dear monkey friends...sl.


Way to go Beth.You are the voice for your daughter Natalee and an inspiration to us. Go get him

Observation    ::MonkeyWink::

2NJSons_Mom, cecilita, San, snoopy, Northern Rose, wreck, Agraria, Kat_Gram, Magnolia, Tamikosmom and 29 Guests are viewing this topic.

Absolutely

Thy are reporting on CBS 42 Birmingham that Beth was arrested for taking a camera into Castro Castro.

Sandy - this is in reference to another interview Joran did earlier this month with a Dutch reporter.  Not the one today with Peter and Beth.

I'd bet Peter and Beth were "detained" and released.

HEY GLENDA SHUT THE HELL UP.   DON'T EVEN TRY TO ACT INNOCENT ABOUT ANYTHING.  YOU MAKE ME SICK.

I think so too!  I think the police in Peru have an understanding of the worldwide feelings
toward Joran.

oops my bad i forgot to mention that  thanks so Much Klass  sl

gretawire

got an email today...beth holloway is in Peru....with a Dutch TV show
28 minutes ago via TweetDeck
http://twitter.com/gretawire

I agree --- BIG difference in being "arrested" and being "detained".  ::MonkeyGavel::

 bastibro2  |   September 16, 2010

2010 Sept 15 Lima - It was a so called `Womans day`in Castro Castro yesterday and Beth was lining-up, with hidden cam of de Vries, between the other visitors(mostly family).
Joran has to give permission for whomever to visit him.
The warden came to Beth and asked her some questions before sending her away.
Peter and his team were waiting outside.
Joran`s attorney Altez said this is unacceptable and thinks about taking legal action against de Vries.
Beth was avoiding the press present.

It seems that Beth had a meeting with the parents of Stephany Flores.


All I found on youtube was this from bastibro2....the vid was not english but this was the heading he wrote on it.

Tricia

If so, Beth had the dignity to meet with Stephany's parents, and that is no surprise.  All the rest is still to be explained.  Thanks.

If that's the case, then she didn't see Joran at all. I'm so glad Beth met with Stephany's family.

Being brave means being scared, but doing it anyway.  It is okay to be scared.

http://www.myfoxal.com/global/story.asp?s=13170039

Dutch media reports Holloway arrested
Posted: Sep 16, 2010 7:46 PM PDT Updated: Sep 16, 2010 7:46 PM PDT

Dutch online media is reporting Beth Holloway was arrested when trying to sneak a camera into a Peruvian prison where Joran van der Sloot is in custody.

Reports say Holloway may have been going into the prison with a reporter in order to get a confession or to get video of him.

Stay tuned to FOX6 as this story develops.

A meeting between Beth and the Ramirez family.  A meeting that would have never happened if Aruba had done its job. 

I wonder if Joran is enjoying his new "downgraded" accommodations?  ::MonkeyCool::

You know, it has to be a bit dis-concerning for Joran to know Beth is willing to try and talk to him in prison  ::MonkeyCool::

Remember when Beth went into the internet cafe to talk with Deepak? It was the obvious thing to do, yet I clearly remember the hoopla it caused. I think even her supporters were a little surprised. Beth has that wonderful "righteous indignation" that can defy odds and make every force in the universe line up to allow you through. I have one reason alone to hope that someday Natalee's remains will come home: Beth.

I suppose righteous indignation can mean different things to different people. To me, it's what Jesus had when He cleared out the money changers from the temple. It's action without guilt, in the face of injustice, for a truthful and worthy cause.

Are we assuming Beth never got face to face with Joran? Did Peter??

I hope so! Frankly, I was hoping that Beth got to see him. I want her to have a visual of Joran in that place. She's certainly endured his TV interviews, and pictures of Thailand. This setting suits him much better!  ::MonkeyCool::

I'm glad he knows he can't escape Beth even in Castro Castro!   ::MonkeyDance::

Yipppeeee!!!  I so hope Beth go a visual of Joran in Castro Castro and that Joran got a visual of Beth too.  Even that far away, Natalee's Mother is on his heels.  You go, Beth!!

SHE NEEDS TO FIND OUT!

NANCY GRACE
Was Natalee`s Mother Just Arrested at Joran`s Prison?
Aired September 16, 2010 - 20:00:00   ET

NANCY GRACE, HOST: We are taking your calls. I want to go out to Marc Klaas, president and founder of Klaas Kids Foundation. You had your daughter taken away from you, brutally.

MARC KLAAS, KLAAS KIDS FOUNDATION: Yes.

GRACE: What do you think -- just like Beth Holloway. What do you think she`s doing over in that jail, making her way toward Van Der Sloot?

KLAAS: I know exactly what she`s doing there. She`s trying to find out what happened to her daughter, nothing more and nothing less. Now, she may have been brought in by these other people, but she needs to find out. She has been told lie after lie after lie after lie for five years now.

http://archives.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1009/16/ng.01.html

 ::MonkeyRoll::

http://www.cbs42.com/content/localnews/story/New-van-der-Sloot-book-due-out/GhGhyxx-2EqtzZ96AF1iIw.cspx

(http://www.cbs42.com/media/lib/124/6/0/7/607a42a0-a2e6-4495-ba90-c19c57cde8cf/Original.jpg)

New van der Sloot book due out

Last Update: 8:12 pm 
   
Birmingham, Al  (WIAT)  A new book titled Joran's Murder Mysteries promises "The complete story about the true role of Joran van der Sloot in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway and the killing of Stephany Flores."

Other breathless prose and promises in an ad in the Dutch newspaper De Telegraaf's website include:

• Filled with countless previously unpublished material from secret police files.
• Latest new facts and witness statements.
• Unique and revealing images.
• The facts behind the disappearance of Natalie Holloway.
• The secret conspiracy behind the murder of Stephanie Flores.
• The dubious role of the FBI in both cases.
• Exclusive pictures of Castro Castro prison in Joran.

The book, due out October 19, was co-written by Bert Huisjes and John van den Heuvel, the reporter who recently interviewed van der Sloot in his Castro Castro prison cell in Lima, Peru.  That interview which appeared in De Telegraaf as well as on Dutch television contained little about the Natalee Holloway case beyond van der Sloot's admission that he scammed Natalee's family out of $25,000.

 "I wanted to get back at Natalee's family - her parents have been making my life tough for five years," the paper quoted him as saying from prison in Peru. "When they offered to pay for the girl's location, I thought: 'Why not'?"

Van der Sloot is still awaiting results of an appeal to throw out his confession to murdering 21 year old student Stephany Flores, reportedly because she found matrial relating to Natalee Holloway on his laptop.  Flores was found dead in van der Sloot's Lima hotel room five years to the day of Holloway's disappearance on Aruba.  The Mountain Brook, Alabama teen was on a graduation trip to the island and was last seen with van der Sloot.

The Dutch national also faces U.S. charges of wire fraud and extortion relating to the money for information scam he pulled on Natalee's family....the extortion he confessed to in van den Heuvel's jailhouse interview.

 

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1009/16/ng.01.html
NANCY GRACE

Was Natalee`s Mother Just Arrested at Joran`s Prison?

Aired September 16, 2010 - 20:00:00   ET

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NANCY GRACE, HOST: Breaking news tonight in the disappearance of Alabama beauty Natalee Holloway, missing from her high school senior trip, Aruba. Aruban police refuse to make a case against judge`s son Joran Van Der Sloot, even after he admits he hid the body. Van Der Sloot kills again! Another girl who meets him at a resort casino found beaten, bloody, neck broken, partially clothed on his hotel room floor. Spine-chilling video of Van Der Sloot with 21-year-old Stephany just before she`s found dead, bloody clothes from the murder found with Van Der Sloot on the run.

After beating her to a pulp, he kicks back with a cup of coffee and a Danish inches from the dead body, blood drenching the crime scene, the floor, the bathroom, the bed, the hallway. DNA under the dead girl`s nails, proving a death, a death match with the hulking Dutchman.

Bombshell tonight. In the last hours, was Natalee Holloway`s mother, Beth Holloway, just arrested in that Peruvian jail, there behind prison walls at Castro Castro, deliberately making her way toward double killer Joran Van Der Sloot, the man America believes murdered her daughter, Natalee?

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We start with breaking news.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Very tense, very chaotic situation.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It`s been five years.

BETH HOLLOWAY, NATALEE`S MOTHER: You know, the not knowing is the sheer hell.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Natalee Holloway`s mom, Beth Holloway, has reportedly spoken to Joran Van Der Sloot.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Joran Van Der Sloot.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Joran Van Der Sloot.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Joran Van Der Sloot.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: In person inside the high-security Castro Castro jail.

HOLLOWAY: The knowing, even though it`s difficult, it gives you that ability to have peace and comfort.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: How did she get in?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We`re getting really close to Castro Castro.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And just what did Van Der Sloot say to Natalee Holloway`s mother?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He thought he was off the hook.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: This is where he lives day in and day out.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He considered himself as a winner.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He`s tried to avoid this justice system.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: And tonight, two beautiful young women suddenly attacked by strangers, acid thrown into their faces, leaving them both scarred with severe burns. Tonight, in a bizarre twist, cops announce they`ve caught the prime suspect in the first acid attack. Perp, the victim herself!

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Breaking news about that recent acid victim in Vancouver, Washington.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She is extremely upset.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: In time, I`m going to forgive her because if I don`t, then it`s hard to move on with my life.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It was self-inflicted. It was a hoax.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: They found out that this was self-inflicted by the splash pattern on her face.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She`s very remorseful. In many ways, this is something that just got bigger than what she expected.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: That`s the biggest -- (INAUDIBLE) last night. It really is the biggest weapon for me to have is to forgive her.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: My goodness. What would make a young girl do this? What is going on in her mind?

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: Good evening. I`m Nancy Grace. I want to thank you for being with us. Bombshell tonight. In the last hours, was Natalee Holloway`s mother, Beth, just arrested behind prison walls at Castro Castro, deliberately making her way toward double killer Joran Van Der Sloot, the man America believes murdered her daughter, Natalee?

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Breaking news tonight in the Natalee Holloway case.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Holloway`s mom, Beth Twitty.

HOLLOWAY: We can bring it full circle.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Got inside of Castro Castro prison.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You see dogs running free. You see people in prison.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The prison that holds Joran Van Der Sloot.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We`ve never been to any place like this before.

HOLLOWAY: It makes me sick.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It`s one of the most notorious prisons in the world, they say.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Beth Holloway reportedly speaks to Van Der Sloot himself.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Right there at the prison.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: How did Beth Holloway get inside?

HOLLOWAY: When I hear Joran talking about her like that.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Joran Van Der Sloot says he was with Natalee Holloway when she died.

HOLLOWAY: You know, first you want to come through the TV and I want to kill him.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She got sick and passed out.

HOLLOWAY: (INAUDIBLE) the skin off his face.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Claiming the 18-year-old high school student died suddenly.

HOLLOWAY: I think of the utter disregard he had for Natalee.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Took her body out in a boat and dumped it in the ocean.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Like an old rag.

HOLLOWAY: It`s just despicable.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: Straight out to Victoria Macchi, journalist covering the Joran Van Der Sloot story, joining us out of Peru. Victoria, what happened?

VICTORIA MACCHI, FREELANCE JOURNALIST (via telephone): Nancy, rumors have been flying since this morning in the Van Der Sloot case down here. What we were hearing was that Beth Holloway had actually snuck into Castro Castro and gotten face to face with Joran. We heard this from sources close to Natalee`s mother, as well as Dutch media reports, who reported this incident. The Peruvian media reported it and aired alleged video from this, as well.

But what we`re hearing from judiciary and prison sources down here is that the incident didn`t actually occur. We have to keep in mind that these people have told us before that Joran didn`t have visitors, when we know for a fact that he did. So a lot of confusion as to what exactly happened.

GRACE: We obviously cannot trust the prison officials there at Castro Castro. They have lied to us from the get-go.

Out to Jean Casarez, legal correspondent, "In Session." Jean is the one who first got behind prison walls at Castro Castro. What do we know? Number one, was Beth Holloway, Natalee`s mother, at Castro Castro today?

JEAN CASAREZ, "IN SESSION": Let`s look at the facts. Number one, we can confirm that Beth Holloway is in Lima, Peru. We see video from (INAUDIBLE) Americana (ph) that is the hotel van from the hotel I stayed at -- I recognize the van -- pulling up to the front gates of the massive Castro Castro. We see a Dutch reporter there, Peter De Vries. We see a lot of people putting their hands over the camera because they don`t want anyone shown. And we can confirm with you tonight that Beth Holloway has met with Enrique Flores, who is the brother of Stephany Flores, back at that Sheraton hotel.

GRACE: So what does it all mean? Literally, as we go to air, we get the word that Natalee Holloway`s mother, Beth, has been arrested at Castro Castro prison in Peru making her way toward Joran Van Der Sloot, the man many people -- most of America believes murdered her daughter in Aruba?

To Ellie Jostad, our chief editorial producer. Ellie, what`s happening?

ELLIE JOSTAD, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: Well, Nancy, the things that we`re trying to find out right now is how long was she face to face with Joran Van Der Sloot? There are multiple reports that she did get into that prison. But is this on camera? Did she have a hidden camera with her there? Also, multiple reports coming out of Peru and the Netherlands that she did have a camera with her. So are we going to see this video? What did they talk about? What was his demeanor as he confronted Natalee Holloway`s mother?

GRACE: So Jean Casarez, we know she`s in Peru. We know she`s met with Stephany Tatiana`s family, his latest victim. How could get in to Castro Castro? What was she doing there?

CASAREZ: She would have to be invited in there. It is one of the highest security prisons in the world, Nancy, because I know. I was there. And the video shows that hotel van pulling up. "De Telegraf" is reporting that she met face to face with Joran Van Der Sloot only for a few minutes. He refused to talk, saying, My attorney is not there. "De Telegraf" is saying that she got a small camera into the prison. But Nancy, there are searches of everything you have, a full body scan of your body, to go inside that prison.

GRACE: But there are other ways to get into that prison. We are taking your calls live. We know that people can bribe the guards. We know that Joran Van Der Sloot has been having conjugal visits there at the jail. In other words, women have been coming behind bars and having sex with Joran Van Der Sloot. We saw this party picture just a few days ago of, apparently, a party going down behind prison walls. We know if you want to get to Joran Van Der Sloot, you can.

Out to the lines. Kimberly in Arizona. Hi, Kimberly.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hi. So obviously, you must have pretty much answered my question regarding how she got past the guards.

GRACE: But we can`t confirm anything right now. And my question is, why was Beth Holloway trying to get to Joran Van Der Sloot? OK, does that answer your question, Kimberly in Arizona? Yes, you can get behind bars at Castro Castro.

Out to Sharon in Alabama. Hi, Sharon.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Oh, hi, Nancy.

GRACE: Hi, dear. What`s your question?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I just felt that -- I don`t think that Beth Holloway would intentionally break into that prison, knowing that, you know, she would end up there, as well. I think -- I`m thinking she may have an appointment, and this jail is just making up, you know, a bunch of booha (ph) out of nothing.

GRACE: But what appointment could she possibly have in a Peruvian jail that is housing the man believed to have killed her daughter?

Back out to you, Victoria Macchi. Every one of you just joining us, we are getting word just as we go to air that Natalee Holloway, the young girl who was murdered in Aruba off her high school senior trip -- Natalee Holloway, the 18-year-old Alabama girl`s mother may have been arrested in Castro Castro prison in Peru, where Natalee`s killer is housed. Why was she there? Was she arrested? What did she want? Why was she making her way toward Van Der Sloot? Did she make it to him? That`s what we`re trying to find out.

Back to Jean Casarez. Jean, we know she met with Stephany Tatiana`s family, what was her purpose of being in Peru? Certainly, she didn`t fly all the way to Peru just to meet with the girl`s family.

CASAREZ: OK, let`s look at the facts. Here`s what we know. We know that Enrique Flores told your producers that she was with some reporters. They were around her. Who do we see in that video? We see Peter De Vries in that photo. Who is that? That`s the Dutch reporter that has interviewed Joran Van Der Sloot before, who has interviewed him several times, right, Nancy? So could that be an impact there? Could that be a reason to have gone, because of an interview situation?

GRACE: We are taking your calls. I want to go out to Marc Klaas, president and founder of Klaas Kids Foundation. You had your daughter taken away from you, brutally.

MARC KLAAS, KLAAS KIDS FOUNDATION: Yes.

GRACE: What do you think -- just like Beth Holloway. What do you think she`s doing over in that jail, making her way toward Van Der Sloot?

KLAAS: I know exactly what she`s doing there. She`s trying to find out what happened to her daughter, nothing more and nothing less. Now, she may have been brought in by these other people, but she needs to find out. She has been told lie after lie after lie after lie for five years now.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Joran Van Der Sloot broke down in tears when he made the confession.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He said Flores found something on his laptop tying him to Natalee Holloway`s disappearance. Then, cops say, he went into a rage and beat her to death.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: "Did you think about hiding the body?"

JORAN VAN DER SLOOT: "I thought about it for a moment, but I couldn`t stay any more on the scene. There was too much blood in the room."

(END VIDEO CLIP)

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Graphic new details.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: A confession in a high-profiling killing.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Van Der Sloot told investigators he was in Peru for a poker tournament, that he`d met Stephany Flores while he was gambling.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Joran Van Der Sloot`s murder confession.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: (INAUDIBLE) when they were at the casino that she wanted to go play on-line poker. They decided his hotel room, so they went there.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: In transcripts released by Peruvian police.

VAN DER SLOOT: "When we arrived at the hotel, we arrived at my room and played poker on my laptop. At that moment, I opened my e-mail and saw a message that said, I`m going to kill you, mongoloid, referring to the Holloway case."

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He gave a detailed account of how he killed Stephany Flores Ramirez and why.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Van Der Sloot says he elbowed Stephany Flores in the face.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Stephany Flores.

GRACE: Brutally beaten.

VAN DER SLOOT: "I hit her in the face exactly on top of the nose. There was blood everywhere. I think she started to faint. It affected me, so that I grabbed her from the neck and strangled her for a minute."

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Suffocating her with his own shirt.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This occurred five years to the day after Natalee Holloway disappeared.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He said, I murdered Stephany Flores, and all I wanted to do was get out of Lima. I wanted to flee.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: We are taking your calls. For those of you just joining us, as we go to air, we get word that Natalee`s mother, Beth Holloway, has been arrested behind prison walls there at Castro Castro in Peru, where the man believed to have murdered her daughter, Joran Van Der Sloot, is housed.

Unleash the lawyers. Joining us, felony prosecutor, death-penalty- qualified, Eleanor Odom, Atlanta, international law attorney, criminal defense attorney Michael Griffith, who has handled cases there in Peru, Peter Odom, defense attorney, Atlanta, Renee Rockwell, defense attorney, Atlanta.

Out to you, Michael Griffith. What do you make of it?

MICHAEL GRIFFITH, INTERNATIONAL LAW ATTORNEY (via telephone): Nancy, I`m speechless. You`ve broken a very big story. You know, I`ve been in prisons there in Peru, and let me tell you something. Bribes are common. For two cigarettes, I got myself out of Lurigancho when they said the doors were closed.

But let me tell you why I`m speechless. Do you realize that Beth Holloway is a complainant in a criminal proceeding in Alabama? She`s a witness in Aruba. And for her to go into a prison where this man is being represented by counsel, she could considered to be, you know, tampering with a defendant. I don`t know why she would do this. This is very, very bad judgment, particularly, if she tried to bring a camera in. I`m speechless that this is going on.

GRACE: Well, did you ever think that she believes she could get a confession out of him, or some kind of direction as to where her daughter`s body is?

GRIFFITH: Well, it`s not for her to get the confession. Remember, she`s a complainant and a witness in other proceedings. And for her to sneak into a prison and possibly subject herself to arrest, this is going to muddy up other criminal proceedings.

GRACE: Well, Michael Griffith, I beg to disagree with you. But the government of Aruba is the only jurisdiction that can do anything about the murder of Natalee, and they obviously are doing nothing! So why shouldn`t she?

GRIFFITH: My dear -- my dear friend, Nancy Grace, do you realize that she is complainant in an extortion proceeding brought by the U.S. attorney out of Birmingham for the money that...

GRACE: Yes, I do.

GRIFFITH: ... that Joran Van Der Sloot extorted from them? This could help -- if there were any conversations between them, this could help mess up that case. Why would she do this?

GRACE: I don`t think that case can be messed up. I think that case is air-tight. He`s caught on video, on audio. And long story short, some things take precedence over a federal extortion case, Michael Griffith, like finding out where your daughter`s body is buried!

GRIFFITH: My dear...

GRACE: Weigh in, Eleanor!

GRIFFITH: My dear Nancy, the O.J. Simpson case was airtight, too, until the lawyers got the case, OK?

GRACE: What about it, Eleanor?

ELEANOR ODOM, PROSECUTOR: Well, Nancy, I mean, I agree with you. She desperately wants to find out what happened to her daughter. But we`ve heard time and again how difficult this prison is, how dangerous it is. So it scares me that she went in there, almost taking her life into her own hands, in order to find out what happened to her daughter. Just that slim margin of hope, Nancy, is all she wanted.

GRACE: You know, Renee, it breaks my heart, if this is all true. We still can`t get confirmation out of Peru. They give us all these different stories. But to think that she would risk everything to get in there, to get at Joran Van Der Sloot?

RENEE ROCKWELL, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: And Nancy, all she wants actually is a confession. But why would she believe one thing that he says? How many lies has he told? Without physical evidence or a skeleton...

GRACE: But you know what?

ROCKWELL: ... she`s not going to believe him.

GRACE: You know what, Peter Odom? Renee`s right. But sometimes you feel like, when all else fails, you`ve got to try yourself!

PETER ODOM, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Nancy, her act really does speak to the depth of her desperation. She didn`t care about the legalities. She needs closure, and no matter how unlikely it is to come from someone like Joran Van Der Sloot.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

VAN DER SLOOT: "I didn`t want to do it. The girl intruded into my private life."

"I was explaining to her that five years ago, I was accused in a case of a missing girl."

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Van Der Sloot`s mother, Anita, says he`s mentally ill.

VAN DER SLOOT: "All of a sudden, she hit me. I don`t know why."

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She says her son was supposed to be committed to a psych hospital but fled instead to Peru.

VAN DER SLOOT: "Then I threw her to the floor, but she was still breathing. So I took the shirt I was still wearing and put it on her face, pressing."

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She said her son suffered severe psychological problems.

VAN DER SLOOT: "I can`t remember how much time, but she stopped breathing, and I think that`s how I killed her."

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: We are taking your calls. Out to Lynne in West Virginia. Hi, Lynne.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hi. Nancy Grace, we love your show.

GRACE: Thank you.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I`d just -- I`d like to ask -- I -- I lost my son July 4th, and I would love to find his murderer and just ask him why. And I believe that`s what Beth was over there for. Why? Why did you kill my daughter?

GRACE: You know what, Lynne in West Virginia? So many tangential victims of murder, the wives, the husbands, the children, the families left behind want the answer to that very same question. And I got to tell you, as a crime victim myself, my heart goes out to you.

To you, Eleanor Odom. That`s one thing no prosecutor can ever give a victim`s family, the answer why.

ELEANOR ODOM: You`re right, Nancy. And the sad thing is, you might find a motive, like they want money, or it`s a sex crime, whatever the reason. But that never fully answers why for the families.

GRACE: We are taking your calls. In the last hours, as we go to air, we learn Natalee Holloway`s mother, Beth Holloway, reported to be arrested in Peru in Castro Castro, the jailhouse housing the man who killed her daughter, Natalee Holloway. That case has gone unavenged, unprosecuted by the Aruban government.

Back to Jean Casarez, legal correspondent, "In Session." So Jean, according to what Michael Griffith says, you can get in and out, no matter who you are, for two cigarettes in Castro Castro. What do you think?

CASAREZ: No, I disagree. I`m going to stick up for Castro Castro, OK? Officials are there when you walk in -- do you know what you have to go through to get into Castro Castro? Let me tell you, Nancy, you walk through the front door only if you`re invited. Number one, your picture is taken. Number two, you hand them your passport. You don`t have your passport on you when you`re in there. They have it. And they can keep it, if they want to. Then you have to go through a full body scan, and then they take your possessions. They keep your possessions while you`re in there. You`re lucky to be in there, and they`re going to follow the rules, the officials are. They don`t want bad press.

GRACE: Well, then, how is it Joran Van Der Sloot`s been having conjugal visits, sex visits from women?

CASAREZ: Because that is done, is done with others, not the officials.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: The Aruban and Peruvian authorities have agreed to, quote, "help each other," in the murder investigation of Stephany Flores.

JEAN CASAREZ, LEGAL CORRESPONDENT, "IN SESSION": Aruban officials can help. Joran Van Der Sloot started his trip from Aruba through Colombia to here in Lima.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER (Through translator): Do you know why you are being detained?

JORAN VAN DER SLOOT, SUSPECT IN THE MURDER OF STEPHANY FLORES (Through Translator): I`ve been told it`s because of the homicide of Stephany Flores.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A very dramatic confession here in Lima, Peru.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: It`s official now. Joran Van Der Sloot, as you know, the prime suspect in that murder case in Peru.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Why you kill her?

DAVE HOLLOWAY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY`S FATHER: He`s got an account to settle and I hope he settles it on this earth.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: And the suspect in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway five years ago in Aruba.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER (Through translator): What was the real reason why you victimized Stephany?

VAN DER SLOOT (Through Translator): I don`t know. But at that moment Stephany hit me in the head. I lost control of my actions.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: In this alleged confession we hear that he says that he would like to help bring some sort of closure -- conclusion to the Natalee Holloway case.

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY`S MOTHER: I never I`d see this time come.

VAN DER SLOOT (Through Translator): I would like to talk about the case of Natalee Holloway five years ago. There is a possibility to close the case. I will be willing to solve the case.

TWITTY: With such absolutely amazing revelations and information, you know, coming from Joran himself.

(END OF VIDEO CLIP)

NANCY GRACE, HOST: We are taking your calls. As we go to air we learn the mother of Natalee Holloway, the Alabama girl killed, murdered in Aruba on her high school senior trip, has been apparently arrested in Castro-Castro prison there in Peru, the jailhouse where Joran Van Der Sloot, who is believed to have murdered Natalee is housed.

Back to Victoria Macchi, journalist covering the Van Der Sloot story, joining us out of Lima. Who was with Beth Holloway?

VICTORIA MACCHI, FREELANCE JOURNALIST, COVERING VAN DER SLOOT STORY: Nancy, what we`ve learned is that Beth Holloway was with Peter De Vries. Now he`s a journalist from the Netherlands who has previously gotten Joran on tape confessing to what happened to Natalee Holloway on the beach in Aruba five years ago.

GRACE: To Ellie Jostad. Ellie, I do not see this as any kind of a stunt for PR purposes. I think that Holloway -- Beth Holloway thought she could get answers, and Peter De Vries knew how to get her in the jail.

ELLIE JOSTAD, NANCY GRACE CHIEF EDITORIAL PRODUCER: Right. I think you`re right, Nancy. Remember way back when this case first started, and the Calpoe brothers were arrested. Remember after they got out, Beth Holloway went to that Internet cafe where Deepak Calpoe worked.

She tried to get some answers out of him. She obviously wants to try to get some answers herself hoping that maybe they`ll give a mother some answers about what really happened.

GRACE: To CW Jensen, retired Portland police captain. Captain, thank you for being with us. But my question is, arrested for what? What`s the crime? What would stop her from going in the jail? What did she do wrong?

CW JENSEN, RETIRED PORTLAND POLICE CAPTAIN: Well, many times most prisons have prohibitions against alcohol, drugs, cameras.

GRACE: Mothers?

JENSEN: Weapons, all those kinds of things.

GRACE: What`s wrong with mothers?

JENSEN: Mothers -- well, if she`s bringing in contraband that might be it. And I think --

GRACE: Wait, wait, put Jensen up. Jensen?

JENSEN: Yes.

GRACE: This woman is not bringing Joran Van Der Sloot booze, cigarettes or anything else. All right? So that`s not it. So why would she possibly be arrested?

JENSEN: Well, I think that probably -- here`s what I think, and I`m just -- this is just my thoughts. I think this woman is desperate, just like you said. I think this journalist came to her and said, I can get you into this establishment.

I don`t know if she told the truth of who she was, but at some point this plan all went south and this may be just one way for the Peruvian officials to make it look it`s not their fault. And can they arrest her for anything? Absolutely.

GRACE: OK. Bethany Marshall, psychoanalyst, author of "Dealbreakers." Weigh-in, Bethany. What is she thinking?

BETHANY MARSHALL, PSYCHOANALYST, AUTHOR OF "DEALBREAKERS": I hope we hear something that makes this whole story make sense. Because if not, I am extremely concerned about Beth Holloway.

Because She knows Joran Van Der Sloot is a liar, so why would she think she could get a sliver of truth unless she is in that bargaining stage of grief when you feel that some magic thing will happen, and you will be allieved (ph) of your grief because you will hear something magical.

But that is not going to happen at this point. So somehow that would tell me she has crossed the line from hoping for justice to obsessing about justice, which is what we see with people who like vigilante justice. It`s not a good place to be. She has to make peace with this loss, grief.

She knows what happened. She knows her daughter is dead. She knows it`s similar to what happened to Stephany Flores. She knows all she needs to know. And if she were my patient I would impress that on her and help her to grieve.

GRACE: I know, Marc Klaas, it`s so easy for other people to say I know Dr. Bethany is right, but when it happens to you, it`s not so cut and dried. It`s not.

MARC KLAAS, PRESIDENT AND FOUNDER, KLAASKIDS FOUNDATION: Nothing is cut and dry. And, in fact, I think that Beth has trusted in the justice system for five years, and I think this latest picture of this smirking little sadist Van Der Sloot in prison living the high life yet again, probably drove her to want to try to get some answers by herself.

She is in no sense of the word a vigilante. She is a fierce mother who wants to find out what happened to her daughter and has demonstrated time and time again she`s not going to let obstacles get in the way of her finding the truth.

GRACE: You just saw the picture Marc Klaas is referring to. And Van Der Sloot is smirking. It`s some kind of a party behind prison wall there at Castro-Castro.

I can understand why Natalee Holloway`s mother went over the edge and went to Peru to try to confront Joran Van Der Sloot.

Was she arrested? Those are the reports we are getting. They have not been confirmed.

To Jean Casarez, tell me again, you said all the stuff about to go through, the checks, the double checks, the checkpoint trolleys to get in. But as we were going to break, you said there are other ways around it.

That`s how Van Der Sloot gets women in to have conjugal or sex visits. How do they do that? That`s certainly illegal.

CASAREZ: You know, Nancy, when I was in Peru, I heard all those rumors about the prostitutes coming into Castro-Castro. I could never confirm it. But if your name is on a visitor`s list, you will be able to get in, period.

And then it`s the lower level employees that may turn their heads so the pictures is taken for instance or the conjugal visits are done.

GRACE: So, back to you, Michael Griffiths, you`ve practiced law there, you`ve handled cases in and out of Castro-Castro. How would it have happened? How would it have gone down? How to get in?

MICHAEL GRIFFITH, INTERNATIONAL LAW ATTORNEY/CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY (via phone): You know, to tell you the truth, I don`t know how she got in. But I will tell you this, Nancy.

GRACE: Look. If you can get a hooker in there, you can get Natalee Holloway`s mother in there. Now how do they do it?

GRIFFITH: Well, look, I told you, I got out of Lurigancho for two cigarettes. I`m sure -- I`m sure she could get herself in there. But here`s what I`m concerned about. I`m concerned about the fact that if she walks in, if she`s been ripped off by this guy, you know, he`s not going to walk himself into a murder case into Aruba and now tell her -- and now tell here where the body is.

Similarly, the minute she walks in with Peter Van De Vries who already tricked him once and (INAUDIBLE) with him once, even if she were inclined to speak to him, the minute that he saw Van De Vries, he would probably keep his mouth shut knowing that this was a setup.

GRACE: But what could they have possibly arrested her for, Michael Griffith?

GRIFFITH: They could have arrested her, number one, for bringing in contraband, which could be a camera. Number two, to bribe a guard or possibly number three for putting the wrong name down on the -- on the guest list getting in there.

GRACE: OK. OK. Out to the lines, Faye in South Carolina, hi, Faye.

FAYE, CALLER FROM SOUTH CAROLINA: hi, Nancy. I am so thrilled at the way the Lord has blessed you in your life and --

GRACE: You know what, so am I. Thank you.

FAYE: I know, and I wish that your husband got more credit.

(LAUGHTER)

GRACE: Well, you know what?

FAYE: Bless his heart.

GRACE: He had a little bit to do with it. Now what`s your question, dear?

FAYE: Absolutely. What do you think about this? The Dutch reporter has been so involved in all of this. And I think the two of them were working together. Natalee`s mom and the Dutch reporter.

And I wanted to get your opinion about that. I think they met there, and they may be doing a program or an interview or something, and Natalee`s mom has been so proactive because no one else has. And I think that they`re just trying to do what they can do to find out some information.

GRACE: I think you`re right. I don`t know about a program, but I think you`re right. She obviously has teamed up with Peter De Vries who has gotten the most evidence on Natalee`s death than anybody through undercover secret cameras inside a vehicle.

We`re showing you part of it right now. That may have been Beth Holloway`s only hope at getting answers.

For those of you just joining us, the mother of Natalee Holloway, the 18-year-old Alabama girl who lost her life in Aruba, has reportedly been arrested behind jailhouse walls, Peru. In the same jailhouse housing the man who killed her daughter Natalee.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: A young woman was found dead in his hotel room.

CASAREZ: Such a gruesome homicide case.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Breaking news.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: The surveillance tape, it shows him walking past the front desk, picking up his keys, going into his room with Stephany Flores.

GRACE: His dad is not around to protect him.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Prosecutors will seek the maximum sentence for Van Der Sloot if he convicted.

A FIERCE MOTHER

NANCY GRACE
Was Natalee`s Mother Just Arrested at Joran`s Prison?
Aired September 16, 2010 - 20:00:00   ET

MARC KLAAS, PRESIDENT AND FOUNDER, KLAASKIDS FOUNDATION: Nothing is cut and dry. And, in fact, I think that Beth has trusted in the justice system for five years, and I think this latest picture of this smirking little sadist Van Der Sloot in prison living the high life yet again, probably drove her to want to try to get some answers by herself.

She is in no sense of the word a vigilante. She is a fierce mother who wants to find out what happened to her daughter and has demonstrated time and time again she`s not going to let obstacles get in the way of her finding the truth.

http://archives.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1009/16/ng.01.html

Marc Klaas nailed it.....we all know it too....that is why we are here......
If urine/anitass thinks they have been hounded by Beth, Dave, Holloway's and friends over the last 5 years......think again! The intensity will only pick up.... urine's trapped....ain't going nowhere! This IS the sloots WATERLOO!!!........

...and I reckon Peter R. DeVries was there in cahoots with Aruba. ::MonkeyRoll::

I think he hates Beth more than anyone in the world. I think he blames her for all his troubles. To this day, I do not believe he lets in the possibility that his problems have anything to do with his actions and I don't think he's capable of true empathy for anyone.

http://www.cbs42.com/content/localnews/story/Beth-Holloway-arrested-Dutch-media-reports/PU2900twzUeC0rgrpfHUOQ.cspx


Beth Holloway arrested, Dutch media reports

Last Update: 11:32 pm

LIMA, Peru (WIAT-TV) - The mother of missing Mountain Brook teen Natalee Holloway is in custody in Peru, according to Dutch media.  Reports state Beth Holloway was arrested by Peruvian authorities after allegedly sneaking a camera into the Castro Castro Prison where prime suspect Joran van der Sloot is being held.

Calls to the FBI and the U.S. Embassy in Peru could not confirm Holloway's arrest or status, but the FBI did say they were aware of the reports.

Joran van der Sloot is still a prime suspect in Natalee Holloway's disappearance in Aruba in 2005, and is also suspected in the murder of Stephany Flores in Peru in May.

Click here to view the dutch article online or read a rough translation on this website.

Tune in to CBS 42's Wake Up Alabama at 5:00am for the latest.

Hide and watch. She'll get him!   ::MonkeyCool::


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You Go Beth!!!!   ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::

Glad I previewed Klaas!   ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

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Posted at RU - Resigned cracks me up  ::MonkeyDevil::

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Perfect!

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Keep posting them, Klaas! I love it!    ::MonkeyDance::

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I thought I saw Beth in a Nun suit.....must have been a penguin suit. ::MonkeyHaHa::

Beth obviously doesn't think so!   ::MonkeyDance::

I'll trust her over them any day.   ::MonkeyCool::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: Too funny, Magnolia!!   ::MonkeyDance::

I still can't figure out why the shot of the nun was in there, but it wasn't Beth!  ::piggy::

I wonder how she managed to keep from getting filmed? Maybe Peter made himself a diversion.

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2010/09/16/breaking-news-beth-holloway-arrested/comment-page-1/#comment-2213267

#21  James Bond on September 16th, 2010 11:17 pm

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Regardless of Aruba, I don't think Peter has any love for Joran. It's been a while since I've seen this. I love the comment made to Anita!  ::MonkeyHaHa::  "You did a nice job raising this kid".

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Julia?

YES

I agree.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet

Storm coming through.......... I'm shutting down the 'puter! I just got internet back and it's hard to do without!! Catch you all when it moves on!!    ::HelloKitty::

 ::rhino::

FACE TO FACE

ORANJESTAD, Aruba, Aug. 9, 2005
Natalee's Mom: She Was Assaulted
Confronts Ex-Detainee; Insists He Tell What He Knows About Case

(CBS)  Beth Holloway Twitty went face-to-face Monday with a man who'd been detained briefly in the disappearance of daughter Natalee Holloway in Aruba, and challenged him to tell what he knows about the case. ....

<snipped>

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/08/09/earlyshow/main766023.shtml

 ::HelloKitty::

http://www.awemainta.com/noticia/

9/17/2010 Awe Mainta Page 11

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So she was disguised as a nun.


(Couldn't pass that one up)

I should have know someone would be there before me.

 ::MonkeyJnBox::

Natalee Holloway's mother sneaks into prison to confront suspect
Tells Joran van der Sloot she has 'no hate in her soul,' according to reports

NBC, msnbc.com and news services
updated 20 minutes ago

The mother of missing teenager Natalee Holloway sneaked into the Peruvian prison where suspect Joran van der Sloot is being held and confronted him about fate of her daughter, according to local news reports.

Beth Holloway-Twitty arrived at Castro Castro Prison with a Dutch journalist, Peter de Vries, who is investigating her daughter's disappearance for Dutch television, the Peruvian news program 24 HORAS reported.

Holloway-Twitty was reportedly able to speak to Van der Sloot for five minutes Wednesday before she was removed by the authorities because she did not have permission to talk to him.

Van der Sloot is being held in the prison on charges that he killed another woman, Stephany Flores, in his hotel room in Lima, Peru, on May 30 — 5 years to the day after Holloway's disappearance.

Holloway was last seen alive with him on the Caribbean resort island of Aruba in 2005 and he has publicly said he killed her and then retracted his confession several times.

Direct questions
Gyofred Munoz Care, a reporter with 24 Horas, told NBC News that Holloway-Twitty traveled to Peru expressly to talk to Van der Sloot with de Vries and other Dutch journalists.

"Beth Twitty and Joran van der Sloot met and they spoke for five minutes," Munoz Care told NBC. "But when Beth Twitty asked direct questions about the crime, he refused to answer without having his lawyer present."

However Van der Sloot's lawyer, Maximo Altez, told NBC News that the face-to-face meeting had lasted "less than one minute."

Altez told NBC that "the Dutch media is using Beth Holloway to create a TV special which would include her, the Flores family, and an interview with Joran van der Sloot."

According to Altez, the Dutch media "snuck Beth Holloway-Twitty into Castro Castro without identifying who she was and put her face to face with van der Sloot."

She told Van der Sloot that she had "no hate in her soul" for him, at which point he handed her Altez's business card, claiming that he could not speak to her without his lawyer present.

Prison officials then removed Holloway-Twitty, de Vries and the rest of the Dutch news team from the jail.

Contrary to some reports, Twitty was not arrested, Altez said. Colonel Gamarra, director of information for the Peruvian police, confirmed that there were no arrests made, NBC reported.

Jose Camarena, lawyer for the Flores family, said the Dutch production group approached the Flores family to do a story with Ricardo Flores Sr., father of Stephany, and Holloway-Twitty.

Ricardo Flores Sr. declined to participate but his son Enrique met with Holloway-Twitty on camera.

Camarena said that "Beth Holloway is being paid by the Dutch media to participate in a soap-opera-like special."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39225781/ns/world_news-americas/
 

Be safe, Sweetie!

<Okay, now that she is gone, let's take up a donation for a pair of pants for CBB, poor thing, she's got holes in her knees.>

 ::MonkeyTongue::

A LIFE FOREVER CHANGED

Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Page 23:  Rested and refreshed, we leave Memphis late Monday morning with Linda driving and Marilyn up front with her.  I take the backseat.  We sail along, chatting like we alway do, talking about our plans for another road trip one day soon.  Marilyn and I are happily speculating about what our daughters' reactions will be when they open their presents to find a set of extraordinary Wizard of Oz figures.  Natalee will gasp with excitement when she sees these.  Before we know it, we've crossed over into Mississippi.  Somewhere amid our conversation, between the chuckles and the small talk, my cell phone rings. I don't recognize the number, but answer it anyway, which I usually don't do.

It's a young girl.  "Mrs. Twitty?  My mom ... umm ... my mom, she umm ... wants to talk to you."  It's the daughter of Judi, the travel agent.  She developed appendicitis right before the trip, so she and Jodi didn't get to go to Aruba.  They are in Birmingham.  It seems like an eternity before Jodi takes the phone.

"Tell me what's going on," I say in a voice much firmer than the one I usually hear coming from my mouth.

She simply says, "Natalee didn't show up this morning to get on the plane."

And instantly I know.  It's more than a mother's intuition.  It's certainty.  Something terrible has happened.  I have just answered the proverbial dreaded phone call that no mother or father every wants to receive.  The one we fear from the moment our children are born.  The one that changes a parent's life forever

Mother Of Natalee Holloway Detained Inside Joran van der Sloot's Prison
By chrisa
Created 09/17/2010 - 2:01am

The mother of missing American teen Natalee Holloway was detained in Peru after sneaking into the prison where suspect Joran van der Sloot is being held, according to local media reports.

Beth Holloway was removed by Peruvian authorities after allegedly sneaking a hidden camera into the Castro Castro Prison where the prime suspect in the mysterious disappearance of her daughter is jailed on another murder charge.

PHOTOS:  Joran Van Der Sloot Taken Into Custody

van der Sloot is currently awaiting trial for the murder of 21-year-old Stephany Flores in May of this year.

Holloway was reportedly able to speak to van der Sloot for five minutes. She was accompanied by a Dutch journalist, Peter de Vries, who is investigating her daughter's disappearance for a television program, the Peruvian news program 24 HORAS is reporting.

PHOTOS: Celebs Involved With Murder

She was eventually removed by law enforcement authorities because she did not have permission to talk to him.

PHOTOS:  Joran Van Der Sloot With Murder Victim Hours Before Her Death

Gyofred Munoz Care, a reporter with 24 Horas, told NBC News that Holloway-Twitty traveled to Peru expressly to talk to Van der Sloot with de Vries and other Dutch journalists.

"When Beth asked direct questions about the crime, he refused to answer without having his lawyer present," the reporter said.

The FBI and the U.S. Embassy in Peru has been unable to confirm whether Holloway was arrested.

Previously, Dutchman van der Sloot has admitted extorting money from Holloway's parents. In an interview with Dutch newspaper De Telegraaf, van der Sloot confessed to taking money from the Holloways in return for revealing the location of her body.

He was indicted in the U.S. in June for extortion after being caught in an FBI sting, however, the place he indicated as Holloway's burial site turned out to be bogus.

Holloway was last seen alive with him on the Caribbean resort island of Aruba in 2005.

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2010/09/breaking-news-mother-natalee-holloway-arrested-inside-joran-van-der-sloots-prison

This was published at approx. 4:00am Eastern, from Fox News. Bolded by me.

Holloway's Mom Confronts Van der Sloot in Jail

Published September 17, 2010 | FoxNews.com
 

The mother of missing American teen Natalee Holloway confronted suspect Joran Van der Sloot in a Peruvian prison after sneaking in with a Dutch journalist, local media reported Friday.
Van der Sloot, 22, is being held in a maximum security prison in Lima, pending trial for allegedly beating to death 21-year-old Stephany Flores in his Lima hotel room in May.

He is the prime suspect in the 2005 disappearance of 18-year-old Holloway in the Dutch Caribbean island of Aruba.

Beth Holloway, formerly Beth Twitty, entered the Castro Castro Prison with Dutch TV journalist Peter de Vries, who is investigating her daughter's disappearance. Holloway managed to speak to Van der Sloot for about five minutes, Peru's 24 Horas reported, but was removed from the facility after it was found she did not have permission to speak to him.

"Beth Twitty and Joran van der Sloot met and they spoke for five minutes," Gyofred Munoz Care, a reporter with 24 Horas, told NBC.

"But when Beth Twitty asked direct questions about the crime, he refused to answer without having his lawyer present."
Van der Sloot's lawyer, Maximo Altez, told NBC that "the Dutch media is using Beth Holloway to create a TV special which would include her, the Flores family, and an interview with Joran van der Sloot."

A grand jury in Alabama, where Natalee Holloway lived, indicted Van der Sloot on June 30 for wire fraud and extortion. He allegedly demanded $250,000 from Beth Holloway to tell her where to find her missing daughter's remains.

Van der Sloot was arrested twice in the Holloway case and spent three months in jail but was never charged. Holloway's body has never been found.

In May, he traveled to Lima, where he allegedly killed Flores after she stumbled upon computer files with information on the Holloway case.

NewsCore contributed to this report.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2010/09/17/holloways-mother-van-der-sloot-jail/

Yet another take. I guess de Vries is doing another show, re. the Peru angle?

I have to say that the initial (conflicting) "reports" don't make any sense to me - notably Beth sneaking in, with a hidden cam no less. Sounds confabulated.

I also have issues with the Sheraton, if indeed "the receptionist" told CNN (or anyone) that Holloway was in her room (as stated in article below).

It goes on to say that a woman answered in English early Friday morning.  How early could that have been? Isn't Friday visitors' day? But maybe visitors' day didn't have anything to do with it - special arrangement for a Thursday visit, perhaps?

Again, no sense to me. Something's missing.

Bold in the article below is by me.

(CNN) -- The mother of missing American teen Natalee Holloway was in Peru Friday with a Dutch documentary maker -- and made a trip to the jail where the man suspected in Holloway's disappearance sits.

Producers for the the Dutch journalist who is accompanying Beth Holloway posted a note on his official website that said the journalist, Peter de Vries, and the mother made a trip to Castro Castro prison.

But de Vries did not explicitly say whether the pair met with the suspect, Joran Van der Sloot. The post also did not say when the two made the trip.

He denied media reports that jail authorities detained them and confiscated the documentary crew's gear.

Peru's 24 Horas television station reported that Holloway spoke to van der Sloot for about five minutes before she and the crew were removed from the jail.

But Vries said the crew did not break any rules and jail officials knew of their visit.

Early Friday morning, the receptionist at the Sheraton hotel in Lima, Peru, told CNN that Holloway was in her room, where she checked in by herself.

A woman in the room answered the phone in English, then immediately hung up.

Van der Sloot is jailed awaiting trial on a murder charge in the death of Peruvian student Stephany Flores.

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http://www.cnn.com//2010/CRIME/09/17/holloway.case/index.html (http://www.cnn.com//2010/CRIME/09/17/holloway.case/index.html)

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39225781/ns/world_news-americas/
Natalee Holloway's mother sneaks into jail,  confronts suspect
'She's still looking for answers ... she wants to bring her daughter home'
NBC, msnbc.com and news services
updated 1 hour 51 minutes ago
Share Print Font: +-Missing teenager Natalee Holloway's mother sneaked into the Peruvian prison where suspect Joran van der Sloot is being held and confronted him about fate of her daughter.

Beth Holloway-Twitty's lawyer confirmed that the woman arrived at Castro Castro Prison with a Dutch journalist, Peter de Vries, who is investigating her daughter's disappearance for Dutch television.

Holloway-Twitty reportedly spoke to Van der Sloot for about five minutes Wednesday before authorities removed her because she did not have permission to talk to him.
Peruvian authorities are holding Van der Sloot on charges that he killed another woman, Stephany Flores, in his hotel room in Lima, Peru, on May 30 — 5 years to the day after Holloway's disappearance.

Holloway was last seen alive with Van der Sloot on the Caribbean resort island of Aruba in 2005. He has publicly said killed the teen several times before retracting his confessions.

John Kelly, attorney for Holloway-Twitty, confirmed she had met Van der Sloot. It was her first face-to-face meeting with him since the night after her daughter disappeared, he said.
She's still looking for answers about her daughter," Kelly told NBC News. "She wants to bring her daughter home."
Asked if it was a good idea for Holloway to have this meeting, Kelly said: "I can give her legal advice. She's a mother without a daughter. I know she didn't tell me ahead of time because I would have asked her to exercise a little more caution."

Gyofred Munoz Care, a reporter with Peruvian news program 24 HORAS, told NBC News that Van der Sloot "refused to answer" Holloway-Twitty's direct questions about her daughter's disappearance.

However, Van der Sloot's lawyer, Maximo Altez, told NBC News that the face-to-face meeting had lasted "less than one minute."

Altez told NBC News that the visit was intended "to create a TV special which would include her, the Flores family, and an interview with Joran van der Sloot."

According to Altez, the Dutch media "snuck Beth Holloway-Twitty into Castro Castro without identifying who she was and put her face-to-face with Van der Sloot."

She told Van der Sloot that she had "no hate in her soul" for him, Altez told NBC News, at which point the Dutchman handed her Altez's business card, claiming that he could not speak to her without his lawyer present.

Not sure I can agree with that. Even if Joran had been sent to prison for Natalee's murder/killing, he would probably already have been released long before now...ready to kill again.

CBS Morning Show, with Harry Smith, is going to talk about Beth in Castro Castro in a few minutes.

I understood the CBS report to say that Beth is detained in Peru.  I took that to mean
something like she was told not to leave the country.

Harry Smith said that there is obviously more to this story than we are being told right now.
He said we will have to wait for Beth to get back to the US to get the true story.

NBC Today Show has JQK on:

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/26184891/vp/39228890#39228890

Dutch to English translation
Peter and Beth Holloway in Peru

Following several - false - press releases, please let Peter know the following:

    * Yes, he has been some time in Peru - Lima - along with Beth Holloway and a camera crew.
    * Yes, he is with Beth in the Castro Castro prison where Joran van der Sloot is.
    * No, neither Beth nor Peter, nor any other member of the crew has been detained or put down. Every message that states or suggests is completely untrue.
    * No, there is nothing, absolutely nothing, Beth, Peter and the crew seized associated with hidden camera equipment or recording thereof.
    * There is Beth, Peter and the crew nothing, absolutely nothing, made or done that was contrary to previous agreements and rules in Peru and / or the Castro Castro prison.
    * By Peter and director Kees van der Spek will be a documentary on the activities with Beth Holloway, who soon will be broadcast by SBS 6. This will be explained for what purpose exactly Beth and Peter have traveled to Peru and what the findings are.

Editors Peter R. de Vries

http://www.peterrdevries.nl/nieuws/peter-en-beth-holloway-in-peru/

picture at site.

Perhaps William Tuckett's family needed someone to take a bag of clothes to him and Beth just happened to bump into Joran.   ;) :wink2:

Whatever may have happened with Beth in Peru in regard to Joran and CastroCastro is good imo, because it brings out Natalee's name and her case back into the spotlight and the headlines.   I don't care how many times and how how long some try, and how hard some may wish, it's just not going away.  Again, jmo.  Beth Holloway is right on!!     ::MonkeyGavel::  Justice for Natalee  ::MonkeyJustice::

I just posted this in the Oil & Gas thread, but figured I'd put it here, too, fwiw.

Energy
Valero:To Make Decision On Restarting Aruba Plant In Dec Or Jan
By Naureen S. Malik

Published September 16, 2010
| Dow Jones Newswires
  Print   Email   Share   Comments (0)   Text Size  NEW YORK -(Dow Jones)- Valero Energy Corp.'s (VLO: 17.22 ,0.00 ,0.00%) chief executive said the company won't make a decision whether to restart its idled Aruba refinery, undergoing maintenance activity, until late 2010 or early 2011.

Maintenance activity is ongoing at the refinery and it will "probably be late December or January when we have to face [the] decision" to restart it, CEO Bill Klesse said at the Barclays Capital energy conference Thursday morning.

In early June, the independent refinery company had said a decision would be made soon after completing a 90-day turnaround, should it be profitable to do so.

The 235,000-barrel-a-day refinery was Valero's most profitable plant in the first quarter of 2009 but the company was forced to shut it that July when margins collapsed as the discount on heavy, sour crude narrowed versus the premium light, sweet crude.

The $50 million turnaround work announced this summer, which included upgrades to the large crude and coking units, was meant to make the plant more efficient.

Valero has been trying to find a buyer for the refinery for over a year. Other options the company is considering include a joint venture partner, supply agreement or operating agreement, Valero spokesman Bill Day said in an email Thursday.

http://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/2010/09/16/valeroto-make-decision-restarting-aruba-plant-dec-jan/

Who needs a refinery??  They're going to be a fashion mecca.   ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::  Buckeye!       ::piggy::

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I love JQK, he's the best! 

Thanks Klaas.  I've never mastered pictures.

The Today video is great (hint, hint).  I really can't do the clicky direct link thing.

I do too !!

I don't give a flying you-know what any critic has to say about Beth's trip to see the GOON.

He's done nothing but fan the flame of pain for this family throughout, with his juvenile and sick wanting to get even that they even tried to make him accountable. He should have been institutionalized long ago and we can thank Anita and Paulus for ensuring he was not.

He looks even more sinister with that big goon head and 'dead eyes' in each new video and photo of him, he's really in his element now in that prison and all of his true colors are out.

http://www.peterrdevries.nl/nieuws/peter-en-beth-holloway-in-peru/


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Soon a documentary on the activities with Beth Holloway

Hi, None.  Hope all is well.   :smt039

I'm actually copying it right now and I'll upload to photobucket and maybe youtube.  ::MonkeyCool::

Hi Buckeye - I'm okay, how are you?

Fine...thanks for asking..

I'm so glad John Kelly did such a good job of defending Beth's actions today, he has great wisdom and skill.

 :smt045 :smt045

 ::rhino::

Good Morning None.  Good Morning All.

Janet
7:30 AM PT

Good morning Janet  ::MonkeyKiss::

Are they holding hands?