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 ::MonkeyConfused:: oops "self-editing" (again)

Thank-you

ELSY LEONOR MEJIA-SANCHEZ

wow im a duh monkey today, i was checking SO in clackamas today
followed a link or two and had found the same thing but didnt connect it
to rudy

i have to go for awhile,but i did fig this out for TH timeline on the FMs
what we do with the info is up in the air

ok i think we have one piece of real evidence, thanks to AL,and TH/if we are to believe TH about the 9;12 receipt, in the vid at 3;30 mark AL,thinks it was between 9;30-and something till 10;am that she saw and talked to TH
so maybe TH could have went to the imbrie FM first,then to the walker FM,
by the 9;30-to something till 10 time line by AL
if TH check out was 9;12, from the imbrie FM, it seems that TH could have gotten  to the walker FM that AL saw her at, around 9;30 to something till 10 per AL
from the imbrie FM to walker FM, using US-26 E is 4.8 mi 8 mins, add 5 min
for TH to leave store walk to car, put baby in car seat, add another 5 min
to do the same thing to go into the walker FM, thats 15-18 min give or take
i still wonder what she bought at the imbrie FM, is that the one with the
star bucks
so now, that leaves us with TH still buying meds, she leaves walker FM, around
10-10;15, that leaves 1to 1 1/2 hr give or take a few min


times to
Suggested routes
NW Cornelius Pass Rd
5.2 mi 12 mins

11536 NW Skyline Blvd Portland, OR 97231 

1. Head west on NW Skyline Blvd toward NW Cornelius Pass Rd  0.3 mi
2. Take the 1st left onto NW Cornelius Pass Rd  4.8 mi
3. Turn right at NW Imbrie Dr
Destination will be on the right  0.1 mi

 22075 NW Imbrie Dr Hillsboro, OR 97124

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Suggested routes
NW Kaiser Rd and NW Bethany Blvd
7.5 mi 18 mins
 
11536 NW Skyline Blvd Portland, OR 97231 

1. Head east on NW Skyline Blvd toward NW Brooks Rd  82 ft
2. Take the 1st right onto NW Brooks Rd  0.7 mi
3. Turn left at NW Kaiser Rd  3.4 mi
4. Continue onto NW Bethany Blvd  2.2 mi
5. Turn left at NW Cornell Rd  0.1 mi
6. Take the 1st right onto NW 158th Ave  0.9 mi
7. Turn right at SW Walker Rd
Destination will be on the right  0.1 mi

 15995 SW Walker Rd Beaverton, OR 97006

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Suggested routes
US-26 E
4.8 mi 8 mins
 
15995 SW Walker Rd Beaverton, OR 97006 

1. Head northwest on SW Walker Rd toward SW Outrigger  1.4 mi
2. Slight right at NW 185th Ave  0.7 mi
3. Turn left at NW Evergreen Pkwy  1.8 mi
4. Turn right at NW Cornelius Pass Rd  0.3 mi
5. Turn left at NW Imbrie Dr
Destination will be on the right  0.1 mi

 22075 NW Imbrie Dr Hillsboro, OR 97124
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to borders where AL was going
Suggested routes
SW Walker Rd
2.2 mi

15995 SW Walker RdBeaverton, OR 97006 

1. Head southeast on SW Walker Rd toward NW 158th Ave  2.1 mi
2. Turn right at SW Cedar Hills Blvd
Destination will be on the right  446 ft

 Borders
2605 S. W. Cedar Hills Blvd.Beaverton, OR 97005

AL vid
http://www.koinlocal6.com/news/local/story/Grand-jury-witness-shares-her-encounter-with/ZRn4GrYpt0a0BAxulU8rEA.cspx


 

I brought this forward from the previous thread:

Quote from: Puzzler on September 12, 2010, 05:01:50 PM
I was just reading over at Blink’s and copied two interesting post to bring here.  What does this all mean?  Did Rudy Sanchez’s wife leave him, taking the children only a few days after the confrontation with Terri in May?  Where have I been?  This is the first I’ve seen of this!

http://blinkoncrime.com/2010/09/09/kyron-horman-missing-case-review-and-birthday-wishes-to-the-frog-prince/

1.   puzzled says:
September 12, 2010 at 4:12 pm
Circumstances: Jamie and Ubaldo were allegedly abducted by their mother, Elsy Mejia-Sanchez, on May 19, 2010. A felony warrant for Custodial Interference was issued for Elsy on July 27, 2010.
***Elsy Mejia-Sanchez resides @ 955 S Pacific Hwy, Woodburn OR … 12 miles on Hwy 99 (same as S Pacific Hwy) from Canby OR where RS has a PO Box (347) for his landscaping business.
Wife takes 2 young children and disappears. Where???? How????? Let’s follow this trail!!

They must really want to talk to her badly, because in order to get a warrant for custodial interference, someone else would have had to have a custody order in place, and there is not.
B

2.   enumclawrose says:
September 12, 2010 at 4:19 pm
RE: The missing Sanchez children, I left out JUNE 5TH in the timeline, the birthday of the missing Sanchez girl.
05/09/10 TH and RS have confrontation. RS is confronted by LE in front of his wife and children.
-10 DAYS LATER
05/19/10 Mrs. Sanchez leaves RS and takes her kids.
-17 DAYS LATER
06/04/10 Kyron Horman goes missing.
-1 DAY LATER
06/05/10 Jamie’s Birthday
-21 DAYS LATER
06/26/10 RS is involved with a LE sting on TH. (also KH, informed by LE of a MFH plot, moves with daughter and begins divorce, RO, etc).
-31 DAYS LATER
07/27/10 Felony warrant in place for Mrs. Sanchez.

If she allegedly abducted the children on May 19 and immediately headed for Mexico, she would have been out of the U.S. by June 4.

If LE thinks she is hiding in the U.S., especially in the Portland area, then they would be looking for her with questions regarding Kyron.

If her husband blames Terri for his wife's leaving with his children, then he would have a motive for taking Kyron.

Does anyone know if there are Hispanic students at Skyline? If so, Hispanic adults would blend in with the parents the day of the Science Fair. If not, they would be noticed. If RS is involved, he may have been able to put pressure on a non-Hispanic adult to take Kyron.

RS might have been granted full custody by the courts after his wife disappeared with the children without a month or two of contact with RS.

LE must be going nuts with all the possibilities of what happened, though I sadly believe they have been searching for a body along with any possible clues for a long time.

I just wanted to get this in here before you spend too much time on researching this case in connection with the Horman case.  Here is the name of the childrens father.  Notice the address matches.  He has a truck driving business.

dot: 1304694
name: UBALDO SANCHEZ
address: 955 S PACIFIC HWY
WOODBURN, OR 97071
phone: (503) 982-7078
email: LISADWRIGHT@COMCAST.NET

http://www.truckdrivingjobsin.com/bycity/Oregon/WOODBURN/UBALDO+SANCHEZ.aspx

 ::HelloKitty::

1.  Re meds for the baby.  How would TH have gotten a prescription for the baby?  If she went to the doctor on Thursday, then she would have gotten meds that day. 

She had no time for a doctor visit on Friday.  I do not know doctor's who prescribe over the phone without seeing a patient.

Therefore, I conclude that the meds were over the counter.  So where one purchases them should be irrelevant.  Even if one could save a buck or two, what is the point of the driving time and gas expended?

2.  Her alibi in her mind only needed to cover the time from 9-10, which she has said in her email.  The rest of the day doesn't count in her mind.

3.  LE wanted video from the day before.  I think she had a dry run and whatever she was doing was prepared that day.

4.  The question for me is whether she did this alone or with someone else. 

hmmm so you are saying these are "not" Rudy Sanchez's children?   ::MonkeyConfused:: Ok I gotta re-read all this (again) LOL

just from real quick search - the Ubaldo Sanchez I found in Woodburn is 49 yrs old - but in his "relatives I found so far .... there was no "Elsy"  but I've just begun searching - will post if anything worthy is found

 Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #27 9/06/10
« Reply #904 on: September 12, 2010, 12:36:39 PM » 

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Good Afternoon Monkeys and Guest!

I sincerely hope we can get a discussion going on Kyron again! Now that everyone has oohed and awwed over everyones Avi and Terri's support group is gone and the dead horse has been beaten to a pulp, maybe we can get down to business. I had quit posting on this thread weeks ago because of all the BS. If I wanted to read the garbage from Terri's support group and Godlike productions I would have joined their sites. 
Now where is Kyron?

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Whoa! I wanted to bring this over from the other thread.  I totally understand but I have to admit.  I was half asleep when I fired up Scared Monkeys to check in. Just had a short little nap. I saw this post and was reading it when that one line caught my eye. 

The first thought to hit me was Wow! This person is blunt and to the point.  Lets get to work and find Kyron.    Those who know abut my post on Musings and such will understand why my heart stopped for a moment and I couldn't believe anyone could be that cold. 

I'm sure that stmt was not directed at me. 

A little more info on Ubaldo Sanchez (so far it's all about the same, info wise... but still looking)

SANCHEZ, UBALDO F   1964-06-00
(lists family below, at same address I assume)
SANCHEZ,BENITO F
SANCHEZ,MARIA G    

WOODBURN    OR    97071

Thanks, Lazydog1. Looks like we can take one more thing out of the mix.

That's correct. It's actually located right next to the house. A few months ago they had a full lot, and then within a few days, it all went poof. Now they have brought in some more vehicles.

Lazydog - why was it necessary for you to go to the previous thread just to mention a post? 

The dead horse is referring to the saying "beating a dead horse" and this emoticon that some people are bothered by
(http://www.freewebby.com/action-smilies/beat_deadhorse.gif)

As much as I love animals that EMOTICON doesn't bother me because I realize it's really not beating a real horse and pertains only to a saying.

NO NO NO Lazydog not directed at you. More at the one that was banned.  I was not being cruel about animals ....just an old saying of beating a dead horse to death. Sorry you took it the wrong way.

sorry. just poke in every once in a while. Guess you moved on.  ::MonkeyTongue:: IMO he has nothing to do with Kyron being missing. JMO.  ::MonkeyAngel::

Sass - who doesn't?  If Terri did have an affair or if she did try to hire the LS to kill Kaine then maybe he doesn't know where Kyron is but he may have information.

It's one more possibility down the drain, but it helps to narrow the field of players. I have wondered if RS has anything to do with Kyron. I have never seen anything that absolutely points to him, especially now that the missing wife and children are not his, and he seems to have a good business reputation. There was a mention sometime back that the speculation about him was hurting his business and he denied any involvement. Sorry, no link. Maybe someone has it.

Has LE ever release anything that says the name "Sanchez" is involved with the case? I always thought the name is as common as the English "Smith". Perhaps we need to find a Juan Sanchez.

Sorry Klaas I'm a little more awake now. I have myself used that emoticon. Guess it was just timing, high emotions involved with Kyron and Champ both and just being so tired and stressed. 

Once I woke up more I understood.

and Darla I get it now.  I am a person with a huge heart when it comes to children, animals and the Elderly.  I myself have actually used that emoticon in the past on a different site.

Let all now chuckle and I am back to Kyron.

Lazydog.....I have been reading here for 5 yrs and have been a member for almost 3. I am far from being a cold person, as most of my fellow Monkeys can attest to. But I am blunt at times. I have limited reading time due to back surgery and a stroke on top of that. We have Musings and JSM's begging to be banned for chit-chat and two sites for avi's. I get frustrated when I come in to find news on a missing child and have to wade through 50 pages of chit chat that has nothing to do with the child that is missing. Sorry If my being blunt offends anyone.

I've been thinking today about why Kaine dropped the chgs.  Is it possible that by doing this as a sign of good faith it wasn't so much directed at TH but more toward the LS.  Maybe he has info to share but doesn't want to be involved in the MFH situation. 

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I'm over it.  Trying to get my thoughts together on past things I've heard regarding TH, LS and MC.  I feel that TH and MC possibly connected prior to Kyron going missing.  I have my theories on how that could be.  Supposedly Kaine was trying to reconnect with him prior to Kyron missing.  I am wondering if he didn't but TH did somehow.  Maybe he found her more attractive at that moment than Kaine. 

Sorry for the off topic.....

This profile with child porn was just brought to my attention on facebook and I am looking for advice  for who to report it to....other than facebook (I've already reported it there).  Thanks in advance. (I'm hoping you can guide me to someone to report it to Klaasend)

Here's the link, but please beware if you look at it, it is child porn.

EDIT - WHAT ARE YOU THINKING?  WHY WOULD YOU POST A LINK TO CHILD PORN IN A MISSING CHILDS THREAD?  WE DON'T ALLOW PORN LINKS AT SM PERIOD!

HOW ABOUT REPORTING TO THE FBI AND FACEBOOK.

Kaine didn't have much of a chance at those charges anyway and he wanted to GET ON with the divorce.  See that rule but the just was overturned the same day it was violated by Terri and Michael Cook. 

Thank you, I will report it to the FBI.

I have reported it myself to both FBI and Facebook but as far as the FBI the person who started the site may be in another country. In any case it can't hurt to report.

Sorry again, doing stuff. I was referring to RS. IMO he was one of Terri's victims that she preyed on. I believe he was naive and TH knew it. As far as him being involved, I don't for one moment believe he has anything to do with it. As far as info? I think if he knew anything, Kyron would be home already. He's just a patsy in TH's web of schemes. JMO

Yes but the MFH plot does pertain to Terri's thought process and he may know things about what Terri was thinking about doing. 

Desiree Young says jail awaits uncooperative Terri Horman
Posted on August 27, 2010 at 3:26 PM
Updated today at 5:34 PM

The two declined to comment on any details from law enforcement.

"I feel like we're back in the first days of the investigation," Kaine said

http://www.kgw.com/home/Kyrons-parents-to-speak-Friday-101562878.html



Emotional birthday party for Kyron Horman
Posted on September 10, 2010 at 7:52 AM
Updated Friday, Sep 10 at 8:28 AM
 
During August, a grand jury in the case remained busy, with school employees, friends of Terri Horman, and many others called to testify. But the grand jury suspended itself for the time being.

http://www.kgw.com/news/local/Kyron-Hormans-eighth-birthday-is-today-missing-portland-102488964.html

Goodnight Monkeys!

Nite Darla

Again, IMO I don't believe she is that stupid. She is cold and calculating, and that is precisely why we haven't found Kyron yet. She's planned this for quite a while and she did it with precision. I'm not giving her credit on smarts, but she had a plan and she carried it out. To me that says few to no witnesses except the ones she can keep under control. The people that believe in their heart that SHE is the victim. JMO

sorry. Does any Monkey have the exact address of Jim Kelley? Thanks!  ::MonkeyAngel::

THERE WAS A MURDER FOR HIRE PLOT or request by Terri.  RS or someone at his company is involved with that part.  If the MFH fell through then Terri may have gone to PLAN B (get rid of Kyron). 

I think the MFH plot and anyone involved does need to be looked into at the same time we try and figure out what Terri did with Kyron.

http://wilsonville.katu.com/content/kyrons-cake-uncut-when-he-comes-home-he-can-have-his-cake

Kyron's cake uncut: 'When he comes home he can have his cake'
Submitted by Susan Harding, KATU Reporter and Anchor
Sunday, September 12th, 6:06 pm

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http://www.youtube.com/v/QZjOTs-Yv88?fs=1&hl=en_US&color1=0x5d1719&color2=0xcd311b&border=1

WILSONVILLE, Ore. - Hundreds of people turn out for a birthday party honoring missing 8-year-old Kyron Horman Sunday.

The event is being held until 9 p.m. at the Family Fun Center and Bullwinkle's Restaurant in Wilsonville. At the party and search-fund fundraiser, Kyron's parents talked about why - even though it is painful for them - they needed to hold this celebration.

That's because Kaine Horman and Desirée Young both say this is Kyron's day. That means this party is all about him, and not about how they're feeling.

And this, they said, is what he'd like for his birthday: a day at Bullwinkle's and a red-tree-frog cake.

So they're giving that day to him - even though the young guest of honor is still missing.     

The red-eyed tree frog gracing Kyron's chocolate birthday cake will stay uncut. They passed out other tree-frog-ornamented goodies, but decided not to cut the cake at Sunday's event.

"We're going to freeze it and keep it for him," said Kyron's mother Desirée Young, "so when he comes home he can have his cake."

Kaine and Desirée hope somewhere their son is watching this story - seeing his favorite games and the balloons in his favorite color and hearing the birthday wishes.

"We're hoping he sees this and knows where we are," said his father Kaine Horman. "And hopefully he can't wait to come back to doing this with us."

"We're not going to sit by and pretend [the pain] is not here," said Desirée. "Yes, it's painful, but I think it's important for him to see that we still love him and still want him home and we still want to do everything for him."

Now, said Desirée, Kyron also "has a chocolate cake to come home to."

It has been a birthday filled with thanks to all of the guests and hugs for the party's organizers, the co-founders of the "Missing Kyron Horman" group on Facebook.

But on this day of celebration it's also a day of pain, with raw emotions - and words for the person who Desirée believes knows where Kyron is.

"That they can't let him come home, it just makes me sick," said Desirée amidst tears. "That there's somebody that horrible in this world that he's missing his birthday because they are so selfish that they can't let him come home. That makes me very angry."

 ::MonkeyEek:: Wait, I'm confused. Kained hasn't dropped anything regarding the MFH has he? I thought it was just the charges about showing a sealed doc or something like that.

I agree with that Klaas. I also agree that everyone needs to be looked at. I'm not trying to argumentative at all. Remember it was just my opinion. I'm not saying I'm right at all. I'm suggesting other theories. That's all.  ::MonkeyAngel::

The internet can be quirky sometimes. You can't always express what you're feeling like you would if you were sitting down to tea and talking about it. So again, I'm not saying I'm right, just looking at other avenues.  ::MonkeyTongue::

(http://hlcdn.datasphere.com/sites/katu.com/files/imagecache/resize_story_image/091210_kyron_bullwinkles_birthday-cake_0.jpg)

Cool. Looks like chocolate, and a tree frog on it. ;-)

Thanks for the link, Klaas.

Correct, it was only the violation of the gag order that has been dropped and that was a pretty weak case anyway.  The gag order was lifted right around the same time Terri violated it with Michael Cook.

Brandi - watch that video if you can.  There are tree frog cupcakes too.

(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/Kyron/Image34-1.png)

They are adorable.

There seemed to be a period of time when Desiree and Kaine refained from speaking out but ... in the most recent interviews .... it appears that they are backing away from specifically targeting Terri ... specifically accusing Terri.

Thoughts?

Janet

Their attorney may have told them to tone down the accusations. 

IMO, Rudy is hardly naive, I have other words I could use for both he and Terri for both cheating on their spouses and naive wouldn't be one of them. I'm sure it didn't take that much creativity for Terri to convince Rudy to have sex, but I could be wrong.

When it is considered that investigators are not backing up Kaine and Desiree's  accusations with arrests ... only emphasizing that Terri or DeDe are not persons of interest ... I think you may be right.

Janet

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MULTNOMAH COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE HAS NO COMMENTS REGARDING THE JULY 8, 2010 YOUNG/HORMAN PRESS CONFERENCES
Posted: July 8th, 2010 6:48 PM

There will be no comment from the Multnomah County Sheriff's Office regarding the information reported during the Horman/Young July 8, 2010 press conferences.   The information released in during these conferences did NOT come from the Multnomah County Sheriff's Office.  This is an ongoing investigation. ....

http://www.mcso.us/public/newsroom.htm

Isn't that applicable to most men?

I am off.  A game of Scrabble awaits.

Good Night Monkeys

 ::MonkeyBike::

Janet

It can be fairly tricky getting enough evidence to "prove" guilt to a judge & jury (EVEN if LE knows a person committed the crime) - to risk a mistrial would not be a good thing - to hastily charge and/or make arrests would mean turning over ALL the evidence you have to date to the accused persons attorney(s) - giving them a "heads-up"   ::MonkeyNoNo:: not so good when you may be up against a noted criminal atty especially.  just my 2cents

 ::HelloKitty::

They have to go through the GJ to make a felony arrest.  They are not done with the process yet.  When the GJ is done and an indictment comes down, then TH will not look good because I don't think orange goes with red hair.  Maybe with the proper highlights, though.

Sorry my mistake.  wow! my brain is not working right today at all. Just tok my BP not good time to step back relax and get a fresh look at things. 

signing off for now.

If one "thinks" that getting meds for her daughter was part of Terri's thought out alibi, then you would think that she was actually after meds.  Whether prescription, a re-fill, something over-the-counter the doctor told her to get, whatever...in order for her alibi to work and hold up she had to be after meds for an earache. 

So, based on that thought, I think Terri was after meds that the first Freddy's was out of and she went to another Freddy's to get (maybe her insurance plan only covers if you go to certain pharmacies). 

That part of her alibi has been very out there and if it didn't check out by LE, IMO, they would have blasted that all over the world.  You know...similar to showing pictures of a white truck.  LE/Kaine/Desiree have made it clear to the world they think Terri did this and if her alibi at the Freddy's didn't check out we surely would have heard about it by now.

It's after that when the timing starts coming into question. 

Also LE has asked for anyone who saw the white truck in the parking lots to come forward; seems like LE is trying to get more info as to whether anyone saw another person around the truck (maybe changing Kyron from one vehicle to another, a swap of a package, anything like that....something "more" than they already know).

I think I'm missing a piece.  Where at that link does it say that the guy is the father of the children?  Did I miss it?   ::MonkeyEek::

Yes, he could have some valuable info...anything...that could give a good detective a clue.

Also, I don't thing the landscaper is one of Terri's victims - he's a middle-aged man and seems to be living on the edge.  IMO, they're the scene that went bad, the accident that happened, etc.

And, I believe there's a lot more going on between them than just a guy/gal sex thing. 

What was their confrontation about that caused Terri to call the police?  We don't know yet.

The landscaper "could" know any number of things about Terri to tell LE.

How precision could her plan have been if she left herself open to all the questioning we've been doing here for weeks about where she was for 1 1/2 hours or 3 hours (which ever you believe)? 

I'm sort of wondering if it wasn't planned out for quite a while.  I'm wondering if it wasn't a plant put together sort of quickly - alibi for part of the time - not all; sloppy circumstances around day of Kyron's doctor's appointment; just to name a couple.

I think precision would have included making sure she specified to some teacher that she was leaving and left Kyron with that teacher and that she had a concrete alibi for the time spend "driving around with Kitty in the truck". 

I'm wondering if she and Kaine maybe had a bad fight a few days before - or fighting for a few days in a row - and a plan came together quickly.

It is really frustrating when you try to research people of Hispanic origin. Not only are there so many common names, but many times, the males use their fathers last name and their mothers last name. Sometimes they use one or the other and sometimes both. I don't know if the LS is legal or not, as it has not been established, but in my line of work I see where many who are here illegally piggy back off of each others social security numbers. I cannot tell you how many times I have run a credit report to find out that 18+ people are all using the same social security number. There is also the possibility that the LS has a green card. I wish we had more information on him. From what I have seen of both his and his brothers business websites, these guys are not stupid and certainly not illiterate or unable to speak English. I have to think that Terri's involvement with the LS would have to be something more than sex. What, I don't know.

Totally agree. 

Wasn't there one time when Desiree or Kaine (can't remember if it was one or the other, or both) said that Terri wasn't forthcoming and LE around the same time said that she "was"?

OK, on the topic of the meds, I'm going to play devil's advocate. FM's has an awesome natural food and homeopathy section. Could she (being what seems like a health nut) have been looking into alternative medicines that would more than likely be found at Freddies? That is the first place I go when I need something like that. If the first FM was out, she may have gone to the second one.

Yes LE said Terri was fully cooperating but then a couple days later said, well not really fully.  She was cooperating in some areas and not in others.  IMO there is no doubt who LE considers a suspect in this case.

 ::HelloKitty::

What are the chances that the store would be out of something?  Stores have computer inventory control.

She is not like health nuts that I know.  She's seems to have a lot of sugary treats in the home, which health nuts don't do,

Now that's a thought...you may be right...never would have thought of that one myselfe (we don't have Freddies in my area of the country).

Thanks for that clearification.  No doubt in my mind either as to who LE considers a suspect in the case. 

I found the statistics for Skyline School for 2008, but nothing more up to date...I'll go ahead and post what I found though.

Student Ethnicity (2008)

White                            83%           
Asian/Pacific Islander        9%
Hispanic                         4%
Black                             3%                   
American Indian               1%



http://www.education.com/schoolfinder/us/oregon/portland/skyline-elementary-school/environment/

Thank you. Very interesting stats. A non-white stranger would have been noticed, so if anyone at the school took Kyron, it would be a white man or woman.

Since I don't know all the facts, I am willing to accept Terri had nothing to do with Kyron's disappearance; however, too many things do point to Terri.

Tuba at Web Sleuths thinks Tuesday will be a bad day for Terri, and I have my fingers crossed for that. If something does happen, it might not be published.
Post #232
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=109760&page=10 (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=109760&page=10)

Some of those astrological posts are beginning to make sense to me! Yikes!
 ::monkeywine2::

http://www.youtube.com/v/QZjOTs-Yv88?fs=1&hl=en_US&color1=0x5d1719&color2=0xcd311b&border=1

Where are Kaine's eyebrows?  Has anyone else noticed this?

8-27-2010:

(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Kyron%20Horman%20%20-OR-/82710kaine.jpg)

8-29-2010:

(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Kyron%20Horman%20%20-OR-/Wall%20of%20Hope-%20Vigils-%20Fundraisers-%20Events/666-1.jpg)

Even though I am a brunette, my eyebrows are darkish but transparent, and they became lighter with age. They are somewhat thin and fine. If I don't use eyebrow pencil, it looks like I have no eyebrows. My brothers' eyebrows look like Kaine's, though they were more defined when they were younger; through their 20's.

Grey~

You seem to be a night owl like me. Hooty-Hoo!

I've read a bunch at the link you provided.  I'm trying to locate some recent info, as they should have amended their intial conclusions without the correct birth time.

Very interesting read.

The two forensic astrology threads for Kyron are interesting. I don't understand most of what is said, but I can get a general idea. For those interested, thread #1 filled and continued to thread #2.

The link I gave is their last page to date, and it has the most current info with the corrected birth time. See Post #226 at the top of the page.

Mainly I follow what Tuba and FifthEssence have to say, though they think Kyron was murdered. Lots of gloom and doom. They keep pointing to Terri as the one who has harmed Kyron.

Tuba is good about saying when things are expected to happen, but things might happen that LE will not release to the public.

Interesting...I read that same forum, too.  Love Tuba's postings...like you, I don't understand it all, but get the gist of it.

Goodnight all!

Goodnight, Puzzler!

HOLY lack of hair - even eyebrows -
That almost makes me wonder if Kaine is on Chemo ?

Serious

Has it been determined weither this is RS wife or not?  Conflicting posts on this one.

I do know there is an affliction that is a OCD - that when people are under huge stress
they pull out their hair, eyelashes and even eyebrows - over a period of time.
But Damn Kaine is missing not only his brows - the shadow is not showing as if he shaved them.
That it looks like they fell out vs were shaved off ..
He looks like a Chemo patient - sorry if I am wrong.

Kaine is not looking good at all.  Desiree, an emotional wreck, looks much better.
An extremely hard path they are on.  In addition to emotionally and mentally, this has got to be taking a toll on their health.

Nocturnal Monkeys,

Have a great night!

In every missing child case, known - whatever the outcome - it is 95 % someone that was/is familiar with the child.  The family members, the friends of the family - someone who infiltrated themselves into the family. That found the child a focus.
I made this to put it into prospective - add all who are associated with the 3 core people.
It seems many could be added -
I am not buying it that Terri is singular in Kyron's missing. I am not - WHY because it is now SEPTEMBER and Terri has not been arrested. 

So that leads me to believe she is ? and others are being watched - speculated -
there has not been any warrants issued - or known via the press to date. In June, the lack of information, which usually points to ' nothing known'  offers us that the Horman house was up for grabs by LE, Feds etc. Never has it been said by LE - Knock Knock with a response of  " You can't come In"  by Kaine. However Kaine was not in possession of his house for 11 days. Terri and Dede were. What they did ( Terri Dede ) together for those 11 days? Play cards, talk amongst themselves in the woods - use the internet to find the biggest crim atty known in the area? use their red heads to conquer landscapers ?
Two dainty girls left to fight the Boogie Man. Who was going to do what to them? ( the house under mass LE surveillance) - As Dede said Terri was scared for her life, I needed to protect her. WELL if that were the case going back into my mind of psycho thrillers in the 80's ... YOU Get out. You don't sleep in the house. You make your CAR a tent. You drive it to the nearest police station and you camp out. Going back to basics.
If your scared for your life, knowing every LE agency is watching you - HOW scared can you really be? Or are you scared that LE is watching You?

 


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Monkey King,
I watched on cable the other night ( 3rd, 4th time) Chris Rock the comedian.
I Love him. He makes me cry that I laugh so hard. He always though has a " human basis" that he brings to the table of - what is real and he puts a spin on it. That is why everyone can relate to his comedy.

He does this act about relationships. Men and Women. He said you are either Married and Bored or Single and Lonely. He then goes on to say that he is married and Bored out of his ever loving mind ( skipping his swearing) - He said I will take BORED and Married over an exciting relationship any day. Meaning finding excitement outside the marriage or being single in a relationship that has no boundaries.  I can't post the vid - too many Chris Rock exploitations :)   
the vid: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6X0Qqxx3f0

Made me think in retrospect of what was going on in the marriage of Kaine and Terri -
Were they married and bored ? Or looking for excitement ?  You have to watch the vid.
Many F bombs - It's Chris Rock. But he makes total sense all in all.

« Reply #10 on: September 12, 2010, 07:24:32 PM »
1. Re meds for the baby. How would TH have gotten a prescription for the baby? If she went to the doctor on Thursday, then she would have gotten meds that day.

She had no time for a doctor visit on Friday. I do not know doctor's who prescribe over the phone without seeing a patient.

Therefore, I conclude that the meds were over the counter. So where one purchases them should be irrelevant. Even if one could save a buck or two, what is the point of the driving time and gas expended?

2. Her alibi in her mind only needed to cover the time from 9-10, which she has said in her email. The rest of the day doesn't count in her mind.

3. LE wanted video from the day before. I think she had a dry run and whatever she was doing was prepared that day.

4. The question for me is whether she did this alone or with someone else.
Copy/paste^

I think you bring up a good point, I am thinking that perhaps th thought she would only need an aliby to prove that she didn’t leave with kyron, that that would prove since she left him at school, it would be considered a random child snatching or they would think he wandered off, whatever. but in her mind all she might have been thinking is that she only had to aliby up for that she left him at the school and was seen alone at fm. (also confusing the teacher by bringing up a doc appointment he had would give her time before he was reported missing). Then after she was under so much scrutiny she may have just made up rest in a hurry, the other stuff about where she was, ie the having to drive around to sooth the baby, meds for her daughter. If she had a prescription I think that would have been confirmed by now.  I think the plan was set up to make sure she was seen on video at fm, talking to the lady from the gym was an opportunity she might have stumbled into and took advantage of, terri making a point of showing her that she had left kyron at school-the pics of the project.  This part looks set up to me, the rest seems thrown in as a hasty afterthought.
 

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8465.920
« Reply #923 on: September 12, 2010, 01:57:33 PM »   

im with ya tracygirl

TH time line, has bugged me since the beginning, lets say this is the real time block, for what TH did that morning
8;45,till the FM, where AL saw her and the baby, i still think it was the first and only store TH went to, why because the LE wouldnt have asked about,the parking lots
of the stores, and if the truck had been seen, if they knew for sure she was at the 2nd FM, i think the LE have doubts , about the 2nd FM, so that gives us between
8;45 and 9;45-10am, alibied, next block of time is 9;45-10am, till the gym at 11;20, LE didnt ask for info about the gym, so im guessing they know she was there,
so that is roughly, 1 to 1-1/2 hr, if she caused harm to kyron,resulting in death
so where could you put a person, in that amount of time, if they are deceased
saying TH did whatever to kyron, to cause his death, i thought where could she
put a body not to be found for a long,long time, a couple of threads back,i had
suggested a U store it type place, at the time i was just thinking out the box
because of the same time block i used above, till i ran across this yesterday
im sure ive read it b4,i just didnt log all the details into the brain ya know

The couple moved to Albany and ran a storage facility for a while before buying into a Chubby's restaurant franchise with money from Horman's parents. http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/08/terri_horman.html
 
didnt her facebook that was posted in sm from around the time of june 4 show she had written, i own two business'

my bus to work was a few minutes late last week, and in just a few minutes i noticed people that go to work every morning at 2 after my bus and thought, i have been doing this for months and never new that in just 2 minutes after these other people come and go in two minutes also. i was thinking that th could have taken kyron from the school and just by a minute or two out the back and extremely lucky timing not been noticed. i dont want to rule much out since i thought about that. i noticed on other kids pages on sm it has been mentioned that kids can be abducted in a flash. i think th could have done this in a flash

i am glad you posted this, i had discussed it once on a comment section somewhere, i had thought someone said the truck was there that whole time, but if it is these two times that would open up alot of possibility, do we know if this area has been searched? i wish i lived there and could drive up there to see if that hinky feeling came up there

 ::HelloKitty::

TH has not been arrested because they need the GJ to indict in a felony case.  The GJ is not done.  She cannot be arrested yet.

sack i think she did set the alibi, see my timeline i put together
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8508.msg1227329#msg1227329

wow good memory,i tried to find it but no time to look,ill look again after work

My comments in red above

i had discounted the rs pretty much until klass showed me the similarity in sexting and now i am wondering, could we open a thread on ls so i can explore his involvement further?  i decided to go back and read news accounts of any involvement he may have had and would like to post references to articles on him since i have had to get them anyway. and to be able to post relevent quotes from papers without filling up this thread incase ls involvement doesnt go anywhere promising. otherwise i can post in here, i am thinking of posting about six diff posts on mfh to make it possible to sort out what is relevant and not just what th may be putting out there. ie:http://www.kgw.com/news/Court-doc-Kaine-Terri-Horman-kyron-horman-contempt-sexting-98270654.htmlSimilarities to Murder-for-Hire plot
Monday's court filing also stated that police had told Kaine that Terri's "sexual overtures to Mr. Cook resemble those made to the man Respondent (Terri Horman) attempted to hire to murder Petitioner (Kaine)."

Beautiful CBB  ::MonkeyAngel::

Very pretty CBB  ::MonkeyAngel::

Good Morning Monkeys and Guest!

Beautiful pic CBB. Praying today is the day Kyron comes home!

ME TOO

I am suspicious of Andrea Leckey story in the Koin interview which took place 2 1/2 months following the disappearance of Kyron.

I had a hinky feeling when an observant Monkey revealed that the original article regarding the Andrea/Terri encounter at Fred Meyers said NOTHING about Kiara being in Terri's arms but ... the updated account included info that went a long way towards upholding Terri's version of events encompassing the morning of June 4, 2010.

Was there a request by Andrea to the publisher/writer of the article to update with an expansion of the encounter between Terri ... an expansion which would reveal answers to the questions that had been lingering for 2 1/2 months.  The lingering questions ... "Where was Kiara?"  "Was Kiara really sick?"

Was Terri more than an acquaintance as Andrea implied.  Could it be that Andrea is a focus of attention that has been overlooked?

Maybe Tamikosmom need to wait until the morning cobwebs clear prior to speculating?

Janet
8:05 AM PT

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Original KOIN Article - August 13, 2010

Grand jury witness shares her encounter with Terri Horman
Last Update: 5:49 pm

On June 4, between 9:30-10 a.m., Andrea Leckey ran into Horman at the Fred Meyer along Walker Road in Beaverton, sharing an encounter that was the longest they had ever had.

During the conversation, Leckey said Terri mentioned just coming from the science fair at Skyline School, even showing her the now well-known picture of her step-son, Kyron.

"The only thing that I think was significant about that time is that she showed me a picture of Kyron next to his project," said Leckey.

"She just made it a point to show me his photo."

Leckey formerly worked as a manager at Horman's gym where they spoke to each other frequently, but always briefly, too.

At the time of their Fred Meyer encounter, Leckey said she was being polite and making chit-chat because she knew Horman's daughter was not feeling well.

http://www.koinlocal6.com/content/news/topstories/story/Grand-jury-witness-shares-her-encounter-with/ZRn4GrYpt0a0BAxulU8rEA.cspx


Updated Koin Article - August 14, 2010

Grand jury witness shares her encounter with Terri Horman
Last Update: 10:48 am

On June 4, between 9:30-10 a.m., Andrea Leckey ran into Horman at the Fred Meyer along Walker Road in Beaverton, sharing an encounter that was the longest they had ever had.

During the conversation, Leckey said Terri mentioned just coming from the science fair at Skyline School, even showing her the now well-known picture of her step-son, Kyron.

"The only thing that I think was significant about that time is that she showed me a picture of Kyron next to his project," said Leckey.

"I think the thing that seems odd about it perhaps is that we were just passing each other by and in a few seconds, with her daughter being sick in her arms, made a point to show me the picture."

Leckey formerly worked as a manager at Horman's gym where they spoke to each other frequently, but always briefly, too.

At the time of their Fred Meyer encounter, Leckey said she was being polite and making chit-chat because she knew Horman's daughter was not feeling well.

http://www.koinlocal6.com/content/news/topstories/story/Grand-jury-witness-shares-her-encounter-with/ZRn4GrYpt0a0BAxulU8rEA.cspx

I think he's okay - he still has all his eyelashes...he just shaved his head and eyebrows.  Look at the picture close and you will see he has the eyelashes.

My friend's son used to work out each morning.  For a period in time ... he shaved his hair.  He claimed his head was constantly itchy from shampooing his hair following each work out.

Janet

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8508.0
« Reply #8 on: September 12, 2010, 06:45:21 PM »
under the photo of elsy leonor mejia-sanchez it says:
Jamie and Ubaldo were allegedly abducted by their mother, Elsy Mejia-Sanchez, on May 19, 2010. A felony warrant for Custodial Interference was issued for Elsy on July 27, 2010


Ubaldo her son,  either same name as dad or rocking coincedence or the other addy/name you posted is the son’s info, not the dads. Sorry I am confused.

It has been a bad day for Terri since June 4th, 2010!

:D

Below are additional posts from Blink’s site:

http://blinkoncrime.com/2010/09/09/kyron-horman-missing-case-review-and-birthday-wishes-to-the-frog-prince/


1.   enumclawrose says:
September 13, 2010 at 1:48 am
The Oregon Secretary of State Corporation Division shows license #300176-93 for Sanchez Nursery Sales, 955 S Pacific Hwy, Woodburn, OR 97071. The authorized representative on file is Maria G. Sanchez and the representative is Ubaldo Sanchez, with with the same address. This is Elsy Sanchez’s address on the missing kids poster.
If Ubaldo and Maria are married, then who is Elsy married to? Maybe Maria is mother or sister to Ubaldo, I don’t know. I guess we can’t assume the missing Sanchez children are Ubaldo’s as much as we can’t assume the are Rudy’s. I think it is too soon to cross these people off the list.
Everytime I post the link to OR Sec.of State, my post gets lost. If you go to egov.sos.state.or.us and search for Sanches Nursery sales you should be able to find it. I also did an Oregon Dept. of Agriculture search on the nursery license, but the server has been busy all day.

1.   enumclawrose says:
September 13, 2010 at 2:35 am
Sorry for the typo’s on my last two posts. Here’s the Sanchez Nursery License information:
http://oda.state.or.us/dbs/licenses/view.lasso?&division=nursery&key=AG-L0170990ND
Address SANCHEZ NURSERY SALES LLC
WOODBURN, OR 97071
County Marion
Fax 503/982-1362
License Number AG-L0170990ND
License Status Active
Expiration Date 06/30/2011
License Type Nursery Dealers, Florists and Landscapers
_______________________________________________________
300176-93 ABN ACT 07-15-2005 07-15-2011
Entity Name SANCHEZ NURSERY SALES
Foreign Name
Affidavit? N
New Search Printer Friendly Associated Names
Type PPB PRINCIPAL PLACE OF BUSINESS
Addr 1 955 S PACIFIC HWY
Addr 2
CSZ WOODBURN OR 97071 Country UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
The Authorized Representative address is the mailing address for this business.
Type REP AUTHORIZED REPRESENTATIVE Start Date 09-23-2008 Resign Date
Name MARIA G SANCHEZ
Addr 1 955 S PACIFIC HWY
Addr 2
CSZ WOODBURN OR 97071 Country UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
Type REG REGISTRANT
Name UBALDO SANCHEZ
Addr 1 955 S PACIFIC HWY
Addr 2
CSZ WOODBURN OR 97071 Country UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
New Search Printer Friendly Name History
Business Entity Name Name Type Name Status Start Date End Date
SANCHEZ NURSERY SALES EN CUR 07-15-2005
Please read before ordering Copies.
New Search Printer Friendly Summary History
Image Date Action Transaction Date Effective Date Status Name/Agent Change Dissolved By
06-17-2009 RENEWAL OF REGISTRATION 06-17-2009 FI
09-23-2008 AMENDMENT OF REGISTRATION 09-23-2008 FI Representative
07-03-2007 RENEWAL OF REGISTRATION 07-03-2007 FI
07-15-2005 APPLICATION FOR REGISTRATION 07-15-2005 FI Representative
New Search Printer Friendly Counties
Counties Filed
All Counties Filed.
Above is the information from the Secretary of State License.

1.   enumclawrose says:
September 13, 2010 at 4:41 am
http://apps.co.marion.or.us/PropertyRecords/PropertySummary.aspx?pid=R13963
955 S Pacific Hwy., Woodburn OR 97071 is owned by Maria and Ubaldo F Sanchez
Their address is 459 4th Street, Woodburn OR 97071
955 S Pacific is listed as a nursery, (go to zillow for a picture) but it also has a single family residence. Perhaps Ubaldo and Maria rented this to Elsy and her husband?
The missing children connected to the Pacific Hwy address, and my guess is that Elsy is not Ubaldo’s wife, Maria is, if you look at how the registration reads. (Example Maria & Ubaldo Sanchez, wife and husband OR Maria Sanchez and Ubaldo Sanchez, sister & brother, mother and son).
This Ubaldo has the middle initial “F” but the Ubaldo related to Rudy Sanchez on the radaris search by Ode has the middle initial R. This could be a typo (look where your R and F are on your keyboard).
I think Sanchez is a common name, but how common is Ubaldo? Who is the father of Ubaldo (notice no Jr. after this name) and Jamie? Why did Elsy leave?

1.   Midwest Mom says:
September 13, 2010 at 8:52 am
puzzled says:
September 13, 2010 at 3:08 am
According to Blink …
Rudy is the owner of RS Landscape Maintenance and one of the numbers records show is billed in his brothers name, Jaime Estrada Sanchez, who uses the name Jaime Estrada on his carpet cleaning business website.
UBALDO SANCHEZ of 955 S PACIFIC HWY WOODBURN, OR 97071 is dba SANCHEZ NURSERY
The two missing Sanchez children are named Jamie (age 5) and Ubaldo (age 1) and they were living at the 955 S Pacific Hwy address.
Could it be that these two children were born in the US and issued SS#’s which are now being used by adult Jamie Estrada Sanchez and adult Ubaldo Sanchez?
Perhaps this is why there is a a felony warrant for the mother, in an effort to pick her up and verify the identites of the children vs adult males.
__________________________________
Wow, very good point, I know of people who have used their kids identities for credit because theirs was messed up..how do people even come up with these things? If they would only use their creativity for something positive.. sheeesh.

Elsy the daughter of Maria and Ubaldo?

Two options: (1) he waxed them off or (2) the picture was taken from way far with a zoom and with low resolution, or with a bad-quality cellphone cam.

Pictures from yesterdays celebration posted on Missing Kyron Horman FB page

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Missing-Kyron-Horman/125336750831264#!/album.php?aid=31455&id=125336750831264&ref=mf (http://www.facebook.com/pages/Missing-Kyron-Horman/125336750831264#!/album.php?aid=31455&id=125336750831264&ref=mf)

 ::FlyingFrog::

im not taking that as blunt,i am releived you posted. i am new and am trying to figure out where to post things, and what is worth posting. i am thinking avi's is avitars? what is mussings for? and what is JSM? so i can not get out of place here, thanks

Avi can also be the multimedia (audio/video) default file for Microsoft media player, or short movie. Avi stands for Audio Video Interleave (or Interweave.)

Short for avatar, but wanted to make sure you know is two different things.

Musings is for regular chit-chat topics (I think.)

I'm afraid to go there, cause I know chat can get addicting.

:D

CBB~

Another BEAUTIFUL creation!!

Thank you!

JSM is another poster - There is also a "Chat Room" - "JSM BEGGING TO BANNED" - set up for all to discuss and have fun in!

I'm so darn mixed up with these children who were taken by their mother, now I'm assuming they aren't Rudy's kids? But a relative of Rudys?

Hi NoRose,
You are not the only one that is mixed up! ::MonkeyNoNo::

Both musings and JSM are general discussions. There is no off topic so anything not directly involved with a missing person thread can be posted on either of these threads. Both Brandi and CBB make wonderful avatars for the monkeys. If you need a seasonal change for your avatar either of these fine monkeys will do a great job.

 ::MonkeyConfused:: Same here! ::MonkeyRoll::

Thank-you, I was beginning to think it was just me  ::MonkeyEek::

::MonkeyEek::  I'm guessing it is a relative of Rudys, but I don't know for sure. Maybe we will find out for sure.

I don't get WHY in heck they do this, but a couple guys I know periodically shave EVERYTHING!!!! Including eyebrows, to say the least. I'm being polite when I say it looks odd, but then what do I know?

I would like to point this out, Latino men are very amorous, persistant and usually very affectionate and highly sexed. 

And yes, I am generalizing.

It doesn't matter who initiated an affair, what matters is how/if an affair affects this case.  Married, consentual adults have affairs everyday and children don't wind up missing. 

Because LS/RS was allegedly married at the time of an alleged affair, as was TH, LS would have been a "safe" candidate as a partner.  (Every night he would go home to his wife and both lived under the threat of the other telling the spouse)
Both parties would appear to be looking to have sexual needs met that weren't getting met at home. 

To justify having LS over at the house, Terri would simply hire him as the LS.

If indeed this woman is the wife of LS, and since the alleged incident occured in front of LS's wife and kids, at the Horman home, and if TH is as devious and wicked as some believe, and can make her step son disappear and cause so much grief for the biological parents, is it not possible she could be involved in this woman and her children missing?

Just spiraling some thoughts........

If you look in the upper  left hand corner of the page just below your avi or avatar, you will see "Home". Click on that and it will take you to the index page, which can help you navigate around the forum.  Here is the link to Home Page/Index:
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php

Monkey Musings/Current Events is the place to post comments/items that are off-topic, which could be items of interest, saying hello to others, posting interesting pictures or articles and etc. (basically the things that do not belong in a Missing Person's thread) Using the Musings thread for general chit chat keeps the Missing Person's threads cleaner and easier for those that come for news and discussion about the case free from having to scroll through pages of off topic. The link for the current thread in Musings:  http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=6981.680

If you go to the top of the pageand click on home, it will take you the all the different threads. Just scroll down and you will find all kinds of goodies. Especially in the Monkey Lounge. Sorry it took me so long to get ck to you, trying to do chores .

NRCG... you aren't th only one confused. But I don't think the kids are Rudy's. Course I can be wrong.I do know of a company that hired illegas and had 42 using the same SS#

Geesh, should have proofread my post..sorry for all the typos.

HI Darla & Monkey's,

I AGREE with your Darla.  I think the IS people are over here making this thread a mess. IMO

Kyron Horman investigation: Transcript of interview with Sheriff Dan Staton
Published: Friday, July 02, 2010, 4:03 PM
Updated: Saturday, July 03, 2010, 12:03 AM

Jung: "One of the things that we talked about yesterday was just the discussion about, or the family asking for Terri Horman's full cooperation. And you know that she had hired an attorney. Do you know if since then she has pulled back or if she's either refused to respond to interviews or anything along those lines?"

Staton: "At this point, I can't comment on that. There's been no indication with regards to the particular family issues, that is a personal issue I believe that you would have to contact the parties of the family and obtain that information through them. But with regards to the cooperation level, I couldn't comment on that at this point."

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/07/kyron_horman_investigation_tra.html

Thanks, I'm guessing also the wife and kids aren't Rudys.

Not in my world.

CBB - this is simply adorable.......I LOVE IT!!  I don't post  here but read and try to keep up although it is the most confusing thread I have ever experienced.....but I had to you you CBB how cute this is!! ::MonkeyKiss:: ::MonkeyKiss::

Not in my world either, too tired for all that, but it sure seems to be in a lot of people's worlds.  ::MonkeyEek::

However ... it appears that Staton did "comment" in regards to the cooperation that Terri was affording investigators.

Janet

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Sheriff: Terri Horman being cooperative 38
Share By Anna Song KATU News and KATU.com Staff
Story Published: Jul 2, 2010 at 4:23 PM PDT

PORTLAND, Ore. - Terri Horman, the stepmother of missing 7-year-old Kyron Horman, has been fully cooperating with law enforcement, according to Multnomah County Sheriff Dan Staton during a news conference Friday.

Staton’s revelation comes a day after Kyron’s biological mother, Desiree Young, appealed to Terri during a brief public statement to cooperate in the investigation to find Kyron.

“We implore Terri Horman to fully cooperate with investigators to bring Kyron home,” she said.

“To date there has been no indication through our detectives or through our investigators that she’s been uncooperative,” Staton said during the news conference called because of the flood of media questions his office has received about the case.

http://www.katu.com/news/local/97705124.html

You would think she would have someone at the first FM call the other one if it was so important and Kiara was suffering.

My futile attempt at humor which had nothing to do with infidelity.

Back to Kyron.

Janet

I wonder if she was after Children's Tylenol or Children's Motrin.
It is possible they were out of one she used for Kiara.

Since Terri stated Kiara had an earache, she could have been after a children's swimmer's ear drops that you can buy over the counter.

Besides, I'm sure LE's checked the reciepts and store video's and cash register receipts to know what she purchased.

(When one of mine were little, we wound up in the ER when my daughter had a reaction to the flavoring in one of the children's pain relievers, so I had to be selective on what she could take)

Nana-thank you so much for this link!! The pictures of his party are awesome!! It was neat seeing Kaine in the bumper cars. I don't know how Desiree or Kaine keep going. If I were the mother or grandmother of this precious little boy they would have me locked up in a psych ward restrained in a straight jacket. May God bless Kyron and his loved ones.

What if grandparents, parents and the 2 kids all lived at the same address?

You're welcome, only if he were able to have been there...and I agree, I don't know how I would manage at all. Breaks my heart.

Not to mention numerous aunts, uncles, cousins...and outlaws    ::MonkeyEek::

That could be, or maybe a brother or sister and their spouse?

What I don't understand is this-

IF these are her children, how can she be charged with CUSTODIAL INTERFERENCE? 

Wouldn't that charge be for someone who is in violation of a court order?

Oh my, and I have to wonder if they are still living at that address or if some of them moved?

That is what I don't understand either  ::MonkeyConfused::

Beautiful, CBB, the words made me cry.

The only thing that would make sense is that the father has custody, per court order, and mother has visitation and didn't return children at specified date/time.

That would make sense, but we don't know if that is the case or who exactly the woman is who took the kids and ran.

IF they are married, living together as husband and wife, and she leaves the husband and takes the children, pending a divorce action, then these are her children and mother and father share parental responsibility, there's no violation until a court order is set in place outlining a primary custody and a visitation schedule is established (ie: Wednesday and every other weekend, alternate holidays)

If she is NOT the biological mother, and is his wife or girlfriend calling herself his wife, then I can see a custodial interference charge or even a kidnapping charge.

Me too, and that might be what is happening.

http://www.missingkids.com/missingkids/servlet/PubCaseSearchServlet?act=viewCsawDetail&caseNum=1148744&orgPrefix=NCMC&seqNum=1&caseLang=en_US&searchLang=en_US

ELSY LEONOR MEJIA-SANCHEZ   
(Companion)   
Case Type: Family Abduction   
DOB: Aug 8, 1978 Sex: Female
Missing Date: May 19, 2010 Race: Hispanic
Age Now: 32 Height: 5'0" (152 cm)
Missing City: PORTLAND Weight: 180 lbs (82 kg)
Missing State :  OR Hair Color: Black
Missing Country: United States Eye Color: Brown
Case Number: NCMC1148744   
Circumstances: Jamie and Ubaldo were allegedly abducted by their mother, Elsy Mejia-Sanchez, on May 19, 2010. A felony warrant for Custodial Interference was issued for Elsy on July 27, 2010. Jamie has a mole on her upper right cheek. Elsy may go by the alias last name Mejia-Puerto.

It says mother.

Thank-you it sure does.

Oregon non-stranger kidnapping law explained
http://blogoliticalsean.blogspot.com/2006/07/oregon-non-stranger-kidnapping-law.html

Custodial interference just doesn’t sound like a serious crime, and people in general mentally lump these offenses into a broad category of custody issues.
But child abduction by any person is a felony in this state.
Under the section titled “KIDNAPPING AND RELATED OFFENSES,’ Oregon statutes classify non-stranger abductions as “custodial interference in the first degree” or “custodial interference in the second degree.”

I don't live in Portland, or Oregon for that matter.....so I don't know the area at all, obviously. This question is for someone who lives in the area.

Are there any Walgreens, CVS stores, Rite-Aids between the 1st Fred Meyers and 2nd Fred Meyers stores that Terri supposedly went to the morning of June 4th.

If so, why didn't she stop at any of those stores/pharmacies if the 1st FM didn't have the medicine she was trying to find for Kiara?

Absolutely adorable!  ::MonkeyAngel::

163.257 Custodial interference in the first degree. (1) A person commits the crime of custodial interference in the first degree if the person violates ORS 163.245 and:

(a) Causes the person taken, enticed or kept from the  lawful custodian or in violation of a valid joint custody order  to be removed from the state; or

(b) Exposes that person to a substantial risk of illness or physical injury.

(2) Expenses incurred by a lawful custodial parent or a parent enforcing a valid joint custody order in locating and regaining physical custody of the person taken, enticed or kept in violation of this section are “economic damages” for purposes of restitution under ORS 137.103 to 137.109.

(3) Custodial interference in the first degree is a Class B felony.

Thursday Oprah has a special on Kyron.  ::MonkeyAngel::

Maybe that's where she gets her prescriptions from? I know I always go to the same place for prescriptions because they keep a list of allergic medicines. just a thought.

Thanks, nana29!

Notice how the green tree frogs spell out Kyron's name on the tray?

(http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs649.snc4/60946_150330081665264_125336750831264_294630_3285861_n.jpg)

Going back to June 26, when the LS went to Terri, wired and she immediately called 911.    She made 3  (911) calls that night.....The last one to report that Kaine had taken Kiara and not returned  -


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    Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #3 7/5/10 -
« Reply #596 on: July 07, 2010, 08:47:43 PM » 

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http://www.katu.com/news/local/97989739.html


Terri Horman made 9-1-1 calls the day husband left

By Anna Song KATU News and KATU.com Staff

PORTLAND, Ore. - Terri Moulton Horman, the stepmother of missing Kyron Horman, made three 9-1-1 calls the day her husband took their daughter and left their home, sources said Wednesday.

Two of the calls were made in the early evening and then another late at night on Saturday, June 26, according to the sources.

One source said the first call made by Terri came in as a Priority Three call at 5:18 p.m. and was about someone in a truck threatening her.

Moments later Terri made the second call and said a man wanted $10,000. But there was no explanation given for why he wanted it.

The calls were made on the same day a landscaper (who was wearing a wire) and an undercover detective went to Terri’s home to speak with her about her alleged attempt to hire the landscaper to kill her husband, Kaine Horman.

The third call came in at 11:39 p.m. and was about a child custody issue. A source said Terri reported that Kaine packed up and took their 19-month-old daughter at 1:30 in the afternoon.

An officer found no parental rights problem and forwarded the call to those investigating the disappearance of Kyron.

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I guess the question then is.....did she get a prescription filled?
If she did, when was the prescription written or called in by a doctor?
We have no FM stores here in PA.....is their pharmacy open 24hrs? or do they open for business at 9am? (our CVS pharmacies open at 9am)

I generally get my scripts filled at the same pharmacy, so I would understand Terri going to a 2nd FM, but if it was just for an Over the Counter medicine for Kiara, it really doesn't make a whole lot of sense not to just stop at the next closest grocery store or pharmacy. (but then again, not much in this case makes sense)

The Failed Sting

The failed sting convinces me that investigators only had the heresay of the landscaper in regards to the MFH plot and ... Terri's recorded admission was required.

Janet

+++++

Search for Kyron Horman Complicated by Botched Sting on Terri Horman
July 8, 2010

A potential opportunity to arrest the stepmother of missing Oregon boy Kyron Horman was thwarted by an ill-executed sting operation at the family's home last month.

ABC's Portland affiliate KATU is reporting that the landscaper police say Terri Horman allegedly contacted to kill her husband and Kyron's father, Kaine Horman, was in on the sting, but then raised the woman's suspicions enough that she called 911.

The landscaper showed up at Horman's door June 26 wearing a hidden microphone to demand hush money. Undercover agents were nearby. But the plan backfired when Horman called police to report an emergency, according to KATU, telling the dispatcher a man at her door wanted $10,000.

KATU cited sources as saying that was the second call of the day. The first came minutes earlier to report that someone in a truck was threatening her.

Responding officers found themselves face to face with the undercover agents and Horman was not taken into custody.

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/search-kyron-horman-complicated-apparent-botched-sting-step/story?id=11114051

Kyron Horman case: Sheriff says 'no comment' on Oregonian's murder-for-hire story
Published: Sunday, July 04, 2010, 2:00 PM
Updated: Tuesday, July 06, 2010, 6:32 AM

The Multnomah County Sheriff's Office issued a statement this morning about The Oregonian report of a landscaper who told detectives that Terri Moulton Horman, the stepmother of missing 7-year-old Kyron Horman, offered him money to kill her husband.

The agency's response to the front-page newspaper story, however, was a non-response that appeared targeted at other media outlets.

"There will be no comment from the Multnomah County Sheriff's Office regarding the information reported in the July 4, 2010 Oregonian," Lt. Mary Lindstrand, a sheriff's spokeswoman, wrote in the statement.

"The information released in the Oregonian article did NOT come from the Multnomah County Sheriff's Office. This is an ongoing investigation. There is no press conference scheduled for today or tomorrow."  

This morning, The Oregonian revealed that a landscaper who worked for Kyron Horman's family at their rural Northwest Portland home told authorities that Terri Moulton Horman approached him with the murder-for-hire plot six to seven months before Kyron disappeared on June 4. 

She reportedly offered the landscaper a large sum of money. After learning of the alleged plot from investigators, Kyron's father, Kaine Horman, left the home with the couple's 19-month-old daughter and filed for a divorce and a restraining order, The Oregonian's Maxine Bernstein reported.

<snipped>

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/07/kyron_horman_case_sheriff_says.html#comments

Nana29, thanks again for the Wilsonville Birthday/Fundraiser picture link. http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=31455&id=125336750831264

I made Kyron one last Birthday image, using the real cake from those pictures and a real red Kyron balloon from the pictures.

I hope the next Kyron image I made is a "Welcome Home, Kyron" image.

Brandi,

Beautiful! Kyron would love the cake.  ::MonkeyAngel::

It's a picture of the real cake they had yesterday at the Wilsonville celebration.

Their plan is to freeze it and give it to Kyron when he returns.

i started a thread, rudy sanchez, alleged murder for hire, thanks klass

maybe she will do a subsequent interveiw with th, Oprah dont take no cr&p

but i prob would try another name store if the first fm was out, thinking prob the other one would be out too. i do think as a prev. poster noted, perhaps her insurance tied her to having to go to fm pharmacy.

when i said in the prev. post, but i would...
i was thinking like a mostly rational, unegotistical, narcisstic person. i wonder how th thinks though. and though i hate postings dealing with anyones sex life, if she is exhibiting almost addicted behaviour in this area, it would make her act diff. than most people. maybe this case doesnt make much sense because we are thinking in the way most people would act in these situations. i also think she has no ability to keep her explanations to herself and that i think is evidenced by her postings as rdsqrl, explaining herself. i think this is good and possibly how this case will get solved, she will keep talking. i dont think she would have been able to stay off the phone, internet, or around people for three months.

Kyron Horman's parents, Kaine Horman and Desiree Young, will be in segment on Oprah
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/09/kyron_hormans_parents_kaine_ho.html (http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/09/kyron_hormans_parents_kaine_ho.html)

Young and Horman, who have appeared on several national news programs, including Dateline, the Today Show and Good Morning America, are being flown to Chicago for the interview which will be part of the hourlong, pre-taped show.

Hi,

I posted a Theories & Speculatons thread for anyone who wishes to voices opinions, theories, ideas or speculations.
This way Kyron's missing thread will remain focused on him, hopefully.  ::MonkeyJustice::

I would love to see a reenactment would be done for June 4, 2010.

Thank you zippiddy.

 ::MonkeyAngel::

Have to say it strikes me odd that there is a woman and 2 children missing who is somehow connected the landscaper...Who is to say she left of her own free will?

Also, for those of you who do not read here everyday and post through out the day, please understand a moment break to speak about something else is sometimes needed. Perhaps it is too much to ask, and if so, then I hope I do not insult anyone but maybe just skim by the posts, they are not done to annoy anyone, but rather to keep everyones sanity in tack. Many of us have not missed a day in this thread sine June 5th and this thread is a difficult one for many who read here. I don't see anything wrong with a comment regarding someone's avi or perhaps a posting from some where else that someone thinks maybe important. This is of course jmo. Just do what I do, just skip them.

I am overwhelmed with your talent. It moves me to tears when I see your beautiful work, a labor of love.
I hope Kaine sees this one...and Kyron too! After Kyron eats his cake, he will have it preserved already in your work!


 ::monkeymargarita::   Here's to his celebration cake!

i am so glad you started that thread seahorse. i have been reading the who's who thread and i am trying to figure out what we know is confirmed in this case, and like the first post in this thread says, start from the begining. kyron was confirmed at the school that morning-

Re: Who's who in the case
« Reply #31 on: June 25, 2010, 06:31:57 AM
The news reports and video interviews with witnesses are my sole source of information on all of these events. My views are my own. I am using the same resources as those used by the big name pro-filers commenting on this nightly, so do not discount the value of these resources. However you may disregard my views if you like.

Approximately 8:15am Friday June 4th the Skyline school PTA president said she saw Kyron and his stepmother standing near Kyron's science fair exhibit. Kyrons teacher also said she saw Kyron with his stepmother in her classroom some time before 8:45am. Approximately 8:45am the stepmother claims after watching Kyron walk towards the hallway to his classroom she left the school and that was the last time she saw Kyron. Snip..

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8168.msg1172767#msg1172767
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Timeline: Search for Kyron Horman (June 4, 2010- June 26, 2010)

Frank Mungeam

NWCN.com

Posted on June 29, 2010 at 3:08 PM

Related:
Kyron Horman's father files for divorce and restraining order

Friday June 4

8 a.m. - It's Science Fair Day at Skyline Elementary School. Kyron Horman, 7, and his step-mom arrive at school.

8:45 a.m. - Kyron says goodbye to his step-mom in the hallway and goes toward his classroom. He is last seen near his classroom, near the south entrance to school.

9:00 a.m. - Investigators say this was the last time Kyron was reportedly seen but they do not identify who saw him last.

3:45 p.m. - Kyron doesn't get off the school bus. A call to the school reveals that Kyron's teacher has marked him "absent." Kyron is reported missing to 9-1-1. The Portland school district sends out an automated message to parents in the district that "a student is missing." An intensive search begins on the ground and in the air. Multiple agencies are involved.

Saturday, June 5

The search continues through the night and through the weekend. A tip line is set up: 503-261-2847.

Sunday, June 6

Parents of other children at the school are interviewed at the school on a staggered basis in hopes of developing new clues that could lead investigators to the missing boy.

Monday , June 7

Skyline Elementary reopens with new security measures in place. Investigators continue to search for Kyron Horman.

Tuesday, June 8

Investigators continue to search at multiple locations and to follow up on more than 1,200 tips. Police ask for more tips from the public and the public's help in spreading photos of the missing boy. An FBI mobile command center is brought to Oregon.

Wednesday, June 9

The family of Kyron Horman releases a statement through investigators talking of their "sadness and pain", and asking for the public's help in finding Kyron. Donation centers open to receive supplies to support the searchers. Investigators announce plans to deploy statewide search and rescue teams by Thursday morning.

Thursday, June 10

The search effort grows to nearly 150 as help arrives from across Oregon. At a pair of news conferences, investigators do not announce any new developments in the search for Kyron Harmon, but repeat their plea for additional tips from the public at 503-261-2847.

Friday, June 11

More than 200 searchers are now involved. At noon, police display replicas of the clothing Kyron was wearing when he was last seen. At 1 p.m., Kyron's father and stepfather speak publicly to the media for the first time since Kyron's disappearance, pleading for help in bringing Kyron home safely.

Saturday, June 12

Police ask for the public to submit photos or videos taken on June 3 or June 4 on roads in the vicinity of Skyline Elementary School. Police also read a series of answers from the family of Kyron Horman, answering public questions about the missing boy and the family's conduct during the investigation.

Sunday, June 13

Investigators announce that the Kyron Horman case is now a criminal investigation. They also announce that the search for Horman will be scaled back significantly, with most volunteer searchers sent home.

Monday, June 14

At an 11 a.m. media briefing. Capt. Jason Gates vows that investigators will not allow the search for Kyron to become a cold case. Watch Gates video

Searchers look in the area around Sauvie Island for the fourth consecutive day. KGW's Sky 8 helicopter captures video of divers in waist-deep water in the rural area of NW Portland. Video: Sky 8

Tuesday, June 15

A day that's usually a celebration is somber instead as Skyline Elementary's school year ends with no sign of Kyron Horman. Students and staff receive an uplifting visit from Blazers Coach Nate McMillan and star guard Brandon Roy. Video: Blazers bring smiles to Skyline students

Clear Channel Communications donates 30 billboard in the Portland area in English, Russian and Spanish seeking tips. Ad company donates billboards.

Wednesday, June 16

'People' magazine puts Kyron Horman on its cover. The story is picked up by CNN via its Nancy Grace crime show. 'America's Most Wanted' announces it will feature the case on its upcoming weekend show. People features Kyron Horman on its cover

Friday, June 18

Police issue a questionnaire to the staff and parents of Skyline school that includes specific questions about whether they saw Terri Moulton Horman, the step-mother, on the day he vanished, as well as the white family pickup. Capt. Jason Gates said the family supported that effort and he declined to say whether the step-mom was a suspect or person of interest in the case. Read/print out questionnaire

Friday, June 25

Kyron Horman's mom and dad, in an interview with KGW-TV, answers why investigators focused on Sauvie Island, but refuse to answer questions about step-mom Terri Moulton Horman. They say they will be the only ones speaking for the family. More: Interview with Horman's parents

Sunday, June 27

For the second week in a row, Kyron Horman is featured on the cover of People magazine. This time, the magazine focuses on Kyron's step-mom's dad, who says she has been a focus of the investigation and has been interviewed several times by police, once for up to six hours. More: Stepmom's dad in People

Monday, June 28

Kaine Horman files for divorce from Terri Moulton Horman while also issuing a restraining order against her. Kaine Horman, Desiree Young and Tony Young issue a statement stating support for the investigation so far. Missing in that statement is Terri Moulton Horman's name. Kyron Horman's father files for divorce

good point, i think someone mentioned the FBI, that may explain their involvement

as far as kaine and his exstream shave, maybe he is doing a swim work out for his stress

i thought of something today, saying someone helped TH in, kyrons disappearance,
and they went with her to the school, i wonder if this person, helped put the project
in the truck, and if the project has been fingerprinted, i know just a WAG

sightings of white truck
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Quote from: doubledecker on July 05, 2010, 06:09:02 PM
I got the right one now

- Jim Kelley - Saw White Truck

THIS IS THE RIGHT ONE

Texas Birth Index, 1903-1997
about James Micajah Kelley
Name: James Micajah Kelley
Date of Birth: 13 Jul 1959
Gender: Male
Birth County: Harris
Father's Name: Edward Watson Kelley Jr.
Mother's Name: Ellen Louise Elizardi
Roll Number: 1959_0009



James Micajah Kelley
(Age 50)
Birth Date: 07/13/1959

Associated Names:
Jim Kelley
James M Kelly
Possible Employment / Business Associations:

that is Great! good idea, i hope le does if it hasnt been already done

i am new here so it doesnt really matter, but i agree. this case is gut wrenching without any evidence that he might still be alive and being held. the levity helps me tremendously. as long as it isnt too much.

Klaas reminds me of Oprah. No bs and straight to the point, and I love that!  ::MonkeyAngel:: I'm sure looking forward to this show. She's a 'no hold's bar kind of woman'. 

Thanks Klaas for putting us in our place when we needed it. Sometimes it hurts, but it was needed. You are awesome as far as I'm concerned!  ::MonkeyAngel::

I know this is O/T, but I think that Klaas needs a lot of kudo's for what she does.  ::MonkeySlide::

if any monkeys miss it, you should be able to find it here
http://www.hulu.com/search?query=Oprah&st=0

indeed id get frustrated, and hit that magic button labeled shutdown

i agree, and i think everyone should post this in agreement, no never mind, we would all get banned! ok so klass i hope you know that everyone on this forum is in agreement on this. ::MonkeyJnBox::

Klaas needs nothing  ::MonkeyNoNo::

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/09/kyron_hormans_parents_kaine_ho.html

Kyron Horman's parents, Kaine Horman and Desiree Young, will be in segment on Oprah
Published: Monday, September 13, 2010, 2:09 PM     Updated: Monday, September 13, 2010, 4:07 PM

 ::monkeyscissors::

Young and Horman, who have appeared on several national news programs, including Dateline, the Today Show and Good Morning America, are being flown to Chicago for the interview which will be part of the hourlong, pre-taped show.

The show had planned to include an interview with Bethany Storro, the 28-year-old Vancouver woman whose face was burned by acid, in the Thursday broadcast. The spokeswoman said Storro canceled her appearance.

 ::monkeyscissors::


Sounds like maybe it hasn't been taped yet. 

 ::HelloKitty::

agree. Klass is great!

http://www.kgw.com/news/local/Kyron-Hormans-parents-to-go-on-Oprah-missing-portland-102816349.html

by David Krough

Bio | Email| Follow: @KGWNews
kgw.com

Posted on September 13, 2010 at 3:48 PM

Updated today at 5:17 PM

PORTLAND, Ore. -- Parents of
missing Portland boy Kyron Horman will appeal to viewers of the Oprah Winfrey show Thursday, more than 13 weeks into his disappearance.

Kaine and Desiree Horman were set to appear on the Chicago set during the first week of Oprah's lasts season to tell their story.

"Kyron Horman vanished from his school science fair in June. We'll get the latest from his parents," the show preview said Monday.

Kyron disappeared from Skyline Elementary in NW Portland on June 4, sparking the largest search in Oregon's history. No suspects have been named the case.

Last Thursday marked the boy's eighth birthday. A fundraiser was held for him over the weekend in Wilsonville.

http://www.facebook.com/#!/pages/Terri-Horman-Support-Page/131975590176118?ref=ts

I imagine that if any money is received from Oprah it will go into the fund to find Kyron.  I do see where the Terri supporters have their priorities though:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/TerriOprahComment0911310.jpg)

The post you have quoted is so very poorly written that all I can muster is pity for that TH supporter.
Comparison?  between what???
Lord.
I remember reading that KH and DY were asked to 'do' O's show early on.  Kaine commented, iirc, that they were not going to make any paid appearances.  I am sure you are correct in you thinking any income from the appearance will go to the fund to find Kyron.
Thank you for the link, quote, Klaasend.

I wasn't aware that guests get paid on Oprah, unless she has it set up where you get paid for photos like some of the early morning shows do.

http://blogs.wweek.com/news/2010/07/30/kyrons-parents-in-touch-with-oprah-but-say-they-wont-take-money-for-story/

Kyron’s Parents in Touch With Oprah but Say They Won’t Take Money for the Story
11:08 AM July 30th, 2010 by James Pitkin

Here is an article addressing the payment topic as it pertained to M. McCann's parents:
http://www.digitalspy.com/ustv/news/a87698/oprah-walters-want-mccann-interviews.html

This states that O does Not pay for news interviews.  I was wrong.
Thanks, Monkeys.

This is so pathetic. It makes me ill!     ::MonkeyMad::    Why would the thought of $ even cross their mind if Kyron was the  focus?

I also might add, I think there are people who live in caves...and maybe they watch Oprah

I very much agree Nana - many people avoid most news related programs (I did for several years) and also, believe it or not  ::MonkeyDevil:: MANY people do not use computer's... let alone know what the heck is going on online.  I would even venture to say that people LOCAL to the Portland and surrounding area are not aware of Kyron.  ::MonkeyNoNo::  Not only homeless people either.....

The only way to keep people caring where Kyron is is by keeping him in the news.  Whatever it takes to keep his name out there.  Kaine and Desiree are doing what they have to do.  Terri on the other hand is hiding like the poor excuse for a human being she is.  If she were innocent, she wouldn't be hiding in her parents house behind a lawyer.

Amen Klaas...Why hide if you have nothing to hide. I think if they would let Desiree have 10 minutes alone with her she might be willing to tell what she did to Kyron. There is no way I could restrain myself.

I got the thought from Blink's report that the LE wanted to talk with this woman badly.  No telling what she knows!

Hmm...then ""why" would Blink report it that way - what am I missing or not understanding?

 

You think it would take that long?  Her silence is deafening and her actions are beyond belief...     ::MonkeyNoNo::

Maybe Klaas does need something........... that post could use a megaphone; preferably right in Terri's eardrums! 

Where is Kyron, Terri??? 

Wanted to share this from Missing Kyron Horman on Facebook;
Bracelets, t-shirts, buttons, etc.
by Missing Kyron Horman on Monday, September 13, 2010 at 5:10pm

We have had so many requests from people looking for bracelets, etc. and we would like everyone to know that we are in the process

of setting up an online store.  Watch this page for announcements when all of these items will be available!!

Thank you to all who want to support this family in their search for Kyron.

Carol and Jude

Cindi and Beth
http://www.facebook.com/notes/missing-kyron-horman/bracelets-t-shirts-buttons-etc/146813902022709

And the response from thsp member...   http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31230842&fbid=524855475428&id=216701202&ref=nf#!/topic.php?uid=131975590176118&topic=247

"I know people want to help, but this is not really helping. Money raised is not being used for searching. It is not being used at all. It has become a Cause for its own sake. The website wall, on the left side, asks for more fundraiser ideas. I know this is a free country, but this is preying on people's kindness and generosity. Money is NOT BEING USED FOR SEARCH. (and she knows this because?)Why do people continue to want to contribute? There is something very wrong with this situation. Media keeps promoting it as a legitimate cause but it is not. It has nothing to do with finding Kyron."

I will be buying some as soon as they are available...because I care about Kyron coming home.
My comment in purple...

 ::HelloKitty::

No way to post onn there as normal people have been banned, but what is it exactly that they are doing to hekp find Kyron?  Telling TH to "breathe"?  Bluck.  Just puke.

Kyron’s Parents in Touch With Oprah but Say They Won’t Take Money for the Story
Friday, July 30th, 2010

The parents of missing 7-year-old Kyron Horman tell WW that producers for Oprah Winfrey have contacted them. But Kaine Horman and Desiree Young say they won’t take money for the story of Kyron’s disappearance.

“We wouldn’t sell it,” Young said in an interview Tuesday.

“Oh yeah,” Horman agreed. “It’s not about money.”

They said they’ve been in contact with producers from The Oprah Show. But they said they’ve received no offers yet for book or movie deals.

Money has been an issue since July 26, when Kaine Horman filed papers in his ongoing divorce requesting to know the source of $350,000 that his wife, Terri Moulton Horman, allegedly paid her criminal-defense lawyer.

According to The Oregonian, Terri Moulton Horman’s lawyer filed a response Thursday calling that reported amount “grossly inaccurate.”

Kaine Horman told WW he has no idea where his wife got the money.

“When you find out, call me,” he said. “I want to know.”

One possibility that’s been suggested is that Terri Moulton Horman’s parents, Larry and Carol Moulton, may have taken out an additional mortgage on their $175,500 house in Roseburg. Terri Moulton Horman moved into that house with her parents around July 16.

But according to the Douglas County Assessor’s Office on Wednesday, the last time the Moultons refinanced their home was in 2008

http://blogs.wweek.com/news/tag/desiree-young/

Probly not such a good idea to post so late at night.  BUT, I think about  Kyron all the time.  Where is this darling little boy....how did we get to this place where so many are missing without a trace... and the perps are out there with no conscience... how do Kaine and Desiree continue to even breathe....I wish there were something concrete that we could do.  Where is this little froggy boy...so darling....I wake up every day with the dread that we will find where he is and it will not be good....

Okay, I'm kind of new to this sleuthing stuff, but I found this tweet about a safety fair at the Cornelius Fred Meyer.  It says the fair was June 4th, from 10am to 2pm.  It also said there were something like 200 people there.  They have a picture from the fair of a cooking oil fire demonstration.  There were police and fire crews present.  I wonder if there are any other pics from the fair that day and if anyone would have seen TH or the truck there?  I wonder if this has anything to do with where she would have parked?

http://twitter.com/CorneliusFire/status/15660819690

BBM

I could be wrong, but I believe that fair would have been held at the Cornelius, OR. Fred Meyers.

It is located at:
FRED MEYER
2200 Baseline St
Cornelius, OR 97113

I say that because it originated from the Cornelius Fire twitter account (http://twitter.com/CorneliusFire) and they called it the "Cornelius Fred Meyer" where the fair was held.

Their website says they are located in Cornelius, OR. (http://www.ci.cornelius.or.us/index.asp?Type=B_BASIC&SEC={FF10E7E4-39B0-4FB2-8BC6-C9716474CCC8})

I only see one Fred Meyers in Cornelius, OR.

So my guess is that this fair was not at the Fred Meyers that Terri went to.

22075 NW Imbrie Dr
Hillsboro, OR 97124
(Cornelius Pass Rd, So of Hwy 26)

or the Beaverton Fred Meyers:
11425 SW Beaverton Hillsdale
Beaverton, OR

I hope my post makes sense, I am real tired and going to bed.

Oops!  I guess I should go to bed, too, and leave the sleuthing to the experts!  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Thank you, Brandi

hi mon  ::HelloKitty:: no no you did good - easy mistake eh .... Cornelius Pass Rd in the area makes it easy to get mixed up  ::MonkeyConfused:: trust me lol
LOT's about this case makes it so easy to get confused ... :)

Nancy grace on Joy Behar's show promoting her new show "Sift Justice", just stated polygraphs ARE admissable in court, IF it's agreed, in writing, prior to the test. Behar asked "Why would someone who's lying do that" and Grace said "That's why they don't do it". Also discussing Van der Sloot. On HLN right now.

Klaas says it is about Kyron and not about us. 
Sometimes we all become distracted and Klaas directs us back to why we are on this board, it is for Kyron to bring him home.

 ::MonkeyJustice:: ::MonkeyJustice:: ::MonkeyJustice:: ::MonkeyJustice::

No doubt, Seahorse, Klaas has an important job keeping us monkeys in check! It's a rough job sometimes! :)  We also need to credit our fellow monkeys.  We've all come together to support each other for a common goal.  Most of us wouldn't recognize each other if we stood behind each other in the grocery store, yet we laugh, cry and encourage each other. We're all spokes on the same wheel. Klaas, Kudos to you, and Kudos to my fellow monkeys!

I don't concern myself with what goes on in other bulleting boards/forums, unless it contains information worth discussing here. JMO.

BTW, I found this and thought of you:

(http://i803.photobucket.com/albums/yy315/TomboyKetchup/smiley-dancinghellokitty.gif)

nan, who is Tanya, do you know?

disregard my last post - i was mistaken.  i think.

Wow, good catch!

Even if it had been at the Cornellius Pass near the Hormans, her statements (according to what's been published in the media) say she had a receipt for 9:15am from the first FM, then drove away to another Fred Meyer in Beaverton, West of Portland, where her "friend" (Andrea Leckey) saw her.


http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-20013828-504083.html

Very nice, MonkeyKing!

I wonder about the Grand Jury, are they in the process of interviews or have they rested?  TIA.

About Terri's visit to the gym...

I have not heard or read that she brought Kiara with her to the gym, but let's ASSUME she did. Kiara was sick and maybe putting up a fuss or passed asleep with any medication Terri gave her, so the day care worker must've remembered if Kiara was brought in.

Anyway, Terri's visit was not too long, by her accounts (according to the media) she was in there less than an hour. Not that she was running out of time, since her schedule didn't have much in it until Kaine would arrive at around 2:00pm.

She mentioned in one article her schedule, gym at 11:15am, home at 1:00pm, kaine at 2:00pm.

So, she could've stayed in the gym longer if she wanted to.

So... pardon the preamble... I gotta ask, did Terri take a shower before or after she exercised?

Any shower taken at the gym would have left traces of evidence in the gym showers that day. See what I mean?

Any blood, any bodily fluid, any chemicals on her clothes and skin would've been gone by the time she got home.

She could've handed over the clothing she wore that morning to someone to stash or destroy for her, after she changed at the gym.

The showers at the gym would be used over and over by the patrons, and anything she washed off there would be gone in a day or two, if not by the cleaning crew.

Now... the question is, does she have a locker to herself in that gym? Maybe she left something there? Did she give her clothing, other evidence to Dede to stash for her?

I know there have been reports of a male inside the white truck that morning. If that is true (not saying it is, cause I don't know) then maybe this theory should just go to heck.

I'm sure LE interviewed people at the gym and some even got subpoenaed for the grand jury. I hope this is cleared out, as the gym was a point of contact for Terri that morning on June 4th.

:D

Instead of the "Tyrannical Ruler", she's now the "Monkey Driver"... haha!

sorry i forgot who that someone was
ive been trying to find the 2  Business, that someone said, that TH said
she owned/ran on TH, FB, no luck i used variants of, could be they are
not registered, and i havent been able to find the FB pg,that TH said that on

T,terri,T(first),L(middle) whole name middle name and just initial
horman,MOULTON,TARVER,Ecker

i did find dede co,was not renewed, and a Inactive businesses,so is dede
brothers Business

http://egov.sos.state.or.us/br/pkg_br_web_assoc_name_srch.main

Funny you should mention that.  She made a big yellow bus with all the monkey avi's attached, many years ago.  Klaas, do you still have it somewhere?  Maybe it's time for a new one, with Kyron on it!

e attended her 21st birthday party and later was a groomsman at her wedding in November 1991 to Ron Tarver Jr., another Roseburg High graduate.

The couple moved to Albany and ran a storage facility for a while before buying into a Chubby's restaurant franchise with money from Horman's parents.

That venture did not go well. In 1994, the couple and Horman's parents sued Chubby's, saying the company misrepresented the investment needed to make the franchise work. The lawsuit ended with a $250,000 settlement, Tarver said.

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/08/terri_horman.html

Is that it?

This was way back in 1994, the license shall be expired way to long to be of record.

IMO

Woops!

Wrong reference to my last post. Should've been:

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/08/terri_horman.html

i never noticed the caption under james pic b4,isnt that about the time she sent him
to his father to live

caption reads
Ecker's parents remember James as being a curious and lively child. Horman legally changed his last name from Ecker to Moulton in January this year.
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/08/terri_horman.html

Yes, sometime between January and March he went to live with his biological father Ron Tarver.  Keep in mind it has been Ecker that has paid child support and not Tarver. 

not sure im looking for the post THAT,that someone said about the TH having
2 Business on her FB

i wasnt really thinking about the child support, more why change his name to her
maiden name, he has been Mr James Ecker, for a really long time, now he is
Mr. James Moulton, i dont understand why she would do that

 cut my self off, sorry
she could have changed his name to Tarver, the bio dad name

found it, i thought i read it in the last thread
im looking for that FB pg and what business they were or are

I dont know why James name was changed other then to guess he didnt have a relationship with Mr Ecker and perhaps he didnt want that to have his name anymore? If I place myself into his situation I think I would want to change my name as well. From the sound of it, James was going through a difficult time back in Janauary when the name change happened.
Poor kid, I hope he is doing ok now.

Maybe she was an "avon lady" and that was one of her business' and she was making delivery's that morning and just doesn't want to admit it.....nooooooo. I'm just being snarky.

Oh, sorry.

I thought you meant you wanted to find out the two businesses she owned way back then.

According to the article above, she owned a storage facility in Albany, and the Chubby's restaurant in Albany (I assume.)

That said for those who didn't know.

:D

In a way she was "rearranging" her life starting around end of 2009.

Changing the kids name and then sending him to live with the other side of the family are other indications.

Why would she do that?  That would mean losing control.

Not to mention allegedly putting a hit out on her husband.

Yes and I'm wondering if at age 16 in Oregon the child can choose for him or herself if they want a name change. 

Perhaps planning  ahead -
Off Kaine, had to get rid of Kyron, otherwise Desiree would have gotten custody along with half of Kaines estate.  Leaving entire estate to Kiara = Terri, if Kaine didn't provide for Terri in his will.  Probably a good size Life Insurance policy.....Life would be great, just her and Kiara, till she tires of her.   I think, as she has so often been compared to Casey, it isn't to hard to imagine a similar senario.......JMO

   
       

 ::MonkeyEek::

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33.420 Notice of application and decree; certificate; minor children. (1) Before decreeing a change of name, except as provided in ORS 109.360, the court shall require public notice of the application to be given, that all persons may show cause why the same should not be granted. The court shall also require public notice to be given of the change after the entry of the decree.

(2) Before decreeing a change of name in the case of a minor child the court shall require that, in addition to the notice required under subsection (1) of this section, written notice be given to the parents of the child, both custodial and noncustodial, and to any legal guardian of the child. [Amended by 1983 c.369 s.6; 1997 c.872 s.22]

33.430 Name of child on birth certificate, how changed; court conference with child. (1) In the case of a change, by court order, of the name of the parents of any minor child, if the child's birth certificate is on file in this state, the State Registrar of the Center for Health Statistics, upon receipt of a certified copy of the court order changing the name, together with the information required to locate the original birth certificate of the child, shall prepare a new birth certificate for the child in the new name of the parents of the child. The name of the parents as so changed shall be set forth in the new certificate, in place of their original name.

(2) The evidence upon which the new certificate was made, and the original certificate, shall be sealed and filed by the State Registrar of the Center for Health Statistics, and may be opened only upon demand of the person whose name was changed, if of legal age, or by an order of a court of competent jurisdiction.

(3) When a change of name by parents will affect the name of their child or children under subsection (1) of this section, the court, on its own motion or on request of a child of the parents, may take testimony from or confer with the child or children and may exclude from the conference the parents and other persons if the court finds that such action would be in the best interests of the child or children. However, the court shall permit an attorney for the parents to attend the conference, and the conference shall be reported. If the court finds that a change of name would not be in the best interests of the child, the court may provide in the order changing the name of the parents that such change of name shall not affect the child, and a new birth certificate shall not be prepared for the child. [Amended by 1983 c.369 s.7]

33.440 Application by minor child; court conference. When a minor child applies for a change of name under ORS 33.410, the court may, upon its own motion, confer with the child and may exclude from the conference the parents and other persons if the court finds that such action would be in the best interests of the child. However, the court shall permit an attorney for the child to attend the conference, and the conference shall be reported. [1983 c.369 s.5]
 
http://www.namechangelaw.com/states/or/oregon.htm
 

Did Terri need to change his name on James birth certificate each time?  (Twice, I guess, she changed her son's last name.)
 

Oregon

Oregon will change both name and sex, and will issue an amended birth certificate, without any designation of what has been amended.

Updated information as of January 2010:

Contact Oregon Vital Records at this link. 
The telephone contact is (971) 673-1137.
Send a copy of the name change court order and the court order for gender change (these will not be returned to you) along with $50 to:
 
Oregon Vital Records
PO Box 14050
Portland, OR 97293-0050
Attn: Amendments
I would suggest that anyone planning on doing this call for the correct person as the job does move around.  A good referral is the department manager, (971) 673-1178.

Terri's an only (adopted) child.  James would carry on the family name~ Moulton.

Klaas,

That is kind of you for credit to Mr.Ecker, who paid $500.00 a month for child support for an adopted son, who he hasn't seen in five years.  What a responsible man. I can not judge Mr.Tarver, I do not know the circumstances, with SM I would want to know the details.

James did live with KH for seven years and mentioned he missed him. I'm sorry I do not have the link.

MonkeyKing,

Good point.  James would carry on the family name, I didn't think of that!  It was screw of her to change the kids name to her
parents, most likely connected to collecting an inheritance -IMO.  ::MonkeyHaHa::

That statment by James was in another article and I don't remember what it was about to begin to search for it.

Terri Horman
Reading Specialist at Portland Public Schools
Portland, Oregon Area

Current
•Teaching Assistant at Portland Public Schools
•Reading Specialist at Portland Public Schools

Past
•Elementary Teacher at Portland Public Schools

Education
•Northwest Christian College
•Roseburg High School

Recommended 1 person has recommended Terri
Connections 41 connections
IndustryEducation Management


Terri Horman’s Summary

I am seeking employment with elementary level grades, but while searching, I currently volunteer my reading specialist skills at Skyline Elementary in the Portland Public School System.

A certified teacher since 2000, I have taught "typicals" through college level, ADD, ADHD, ODD, OSC, YSC, Prader Willy, Down Syndrome and Medically Fragile.

I recently took some World Literature classes through Portland State University and renewed my certification.

Terri Horman’s Specialties:
Reading Specialist
Special Education OSC & YSC

Terri Horman’s Experience
Teaching Assistant
Portland Public Schools
(Educational Institution; Education Management industry)

September 2008 — Present (1 year 10 months)

Assisting at Skyline Elementary School for testing.

Reading Specialist

Portland Public Schools
(Educational Institution; Education Management industry)

September 2007 — Present (2 years 10 months)

Specifically Skyline Elementary assisting in all classrooms as needed.

Elementary Teacher

Portland Public Schools
(Educational Institution; Education Management industry)

March 2002 — December 2008 (6 years 10 months)

Reading Specialist


Terri Horman’s Education

Northwest Christian College
BA , Education , 1998 — 2000


Activities and Societies:President of Educational Club
Founder of YPO (Young Parent Organization)
Roseburg High School

Additional Information

Terri Horman’s Interests:
Professional: World Literature, REA training, DRA training Personal: gardening and weight lifting.

Terri Horman’s Groups:

Learning, Education and Training Professionals Group
Everybody Wins! USA

Terri Horman’s Honors:
Award for Job Excellence from Bonneville Power Plant while taking on an assignment to create a state standard curriculum guide example for K-2 students.

I was awarded this for learning some various jobs and helping out with day to day tasks while creating my guide.

http://www.linkedin.com/in/terrihorman

I found the link where James misses Kaine.  This is so dog-on painful, SM ripped James away from three fathers. IMO

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/08/terri_horman.html


James said he misses his little sister — and would like to see Kaine as well.

"He was like a dad to me," James said. "I lived with him for eight years."

Kaine hopes to talk to James again soon. snip...



(Towards the bottom of the page)

hopefully mr ecker has been able to get out of the support order by now, hopefully she isnt required to have any say in that, i think the money is important to her and if we can track the money or lack of it and where she is getting her money, then we can find kyron. i noticed that landscaper mentioned in blink article alludes to him having a lawyer, how do all these people involved not testify at grand jury, or if they do, how do they lawyer up?

Hi Blonde,

I read that Terri attended a third college.  I will sniff around for the school, unless I dreamt it.  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Hey!  Where'd my post go???

Well, I said perhaps there was a situation with Ecker, that we aren't privy to, which could explain why he continued to pay support.

I have wondered in the past if Mr. E found out he was J's bio dad............hence the child support?
Mr. Tarver may not be J's birth father? 
But then I think why is J living w/ Mr. Tarver now?
P

i beleive i referenced that after reading http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8263.0
that was a link i was reading to find out about th friends before june4 to see if any were still friends now. it has alot of info on it, but somewhere kinda far down it printed out her interests etc.

I appears that poor Mr.Ecker paid for SM education, too, besides adopting her son. ::MonkeyEek::


Richard Ecker said he paid for her education, which remains a sore point for his parents.

"He wanted to go to college, too, but she came first," Mavis Ecker said.

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/08/terri_horman.html (towards the bottom of the page)

Why doesn't Terri include Pacific University on her resume?  She attended the local community college in Roseburg, NW Christian
U. and if this is correct she earned her Masters of Art Education, impressive. Why isn't on her resume?


In 2003, Terri earned a master's of art education from Pacific University in Forest Grove and was an on-call teacher for the Hillsboro School District, remaining available as a sub until 2006.

The Teacher Standards and Practices Commission said she maintained her basic teaching license until March 2007, then took a break, renewing it in February this year. The state has no record of disciplinary action against her.

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/08/terri_horman.html

Makes sense, Terri went to school full time while he went to work.

James was in school.

Interesing, since they were all chummy with one another.  ::MonkeyRoll:: Mr. E was an usher at TM and RT wedding, hymm.

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: I'm the Monkey Menace, today!  ::MonkeyHaHa::

I wanted to refresh the fact the GJ may be in session untill (possible) to the end of October or beyond if another extension
is required.  I wish someone would come forward and tell us what's going on like Bruce McCain:)

snipp..

KGW has learned that Judge Jean Kerr Maurer issued an order from August 20th through October 29th restricting any audio or visual recording of witnesses coming or going from the grand jury room. Maurer had issued a similar order in early August but it had since expired.


snip...

http://www.kgw.com/news/local/Kyron-Horman-grand-jury-meets-again-101339004.html

   


I have seen interviews with Terri's friends that indicate she did go through a change at the end of 2009. Not that it is a fact, but they referenced her finding out about an affair KH was supposedly having. I actually believe that TH wanted KH attention and if this were true (affair) or she thought the marriage were done, that may explain her behavior. It also makes sense, whether it is fair or not, that she may have begun to be more antagonistic toward Kyron, if she could see the marriage was ending. She may have begun to numb herself to living in a different house and being out of his life. I am not saying any of this is right or healthy thinking, but she doesn't sound like a very mature person, on the inside.

thanks ill look

Good late afternoon Monkeys

The article I think that tells the most info is this link
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/08/terri_horman.html
snipped:
By 1995, Horman's marriage to Tarver soured, with each accusing the other of infidelity. They divorced in November, and she gained custody of James, with Tarver agreeing to later pay child support.
Horman moved back to her parents' house in Roseburg. She later attended McDonald's fast food management school and worked for a time at a McDonald's in Cottage Grove, Ecker said.

In August 1998, two years after they were married, Richard Ecker adopted James. Tarver, who struggled financially, agreed to give up his parental rights.
The Eckers thought it was a bad idea.
"She pushed him," Chuck Ecker said. "And being Richard, being a good guy, he adopted James."
In January 2002, Horman and Ecker were divorced. She got primary custody of James and the decree included an informal agreement that Ecker would pay about $169 a month in child support.
A year later, Horman went to Washington County authorities, asking for more child support. His payments were bumped up to nearly $550 a month. Ecker went to Horman's house to ask for a break on child support, saying the payments were cutting a big chunk out of his salary. She seemed amenable to a reduction, he said, but the next day he got a call from the Washington County Sheriff's Office, telling him to stop harassing his ex-wife.

Ecker has not seen James since that call and still pays child support. He estimates he's contributed about $46,000.
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My guess is you cannot get blood out of a rock. That Jame's bio dad was unable to contribute towards Jame's welfare. He then signed off his rights to James. That Ecker felt he was Jame's father and did do the right thing by offering child support at first ... Yet he then was taken advantage of by Terri. She went from an informal arrangement to filing with Washington County for " child support" when then the court would have based his payments on his income level. Irregardless of him being Bio Dad or not. He took on the financial responsibility when he adopted James. Which appears it was amicable at first... once Terri opened that door to the courts. Ecker didn't have a chance. Same thing happened to my Brother with his bio daughter - and add a very angry bitter ex wife...who was not able to generate enough income on her own. ( They were married for 3 mos, their divorce lasted longer than the marriage) He had been paying for years. Never late. Then things changed in her life and she went after him with a vengeance. The court ordered my Brother to pay over 400. a week. Not month. Per Week.
That's when he had to get an atty. It was argued in court and resolved.
 

Deenie ::HelloKitty::

Thank-you for seeing us clear on CE.  He sent her to College and adopted her son, what a decent guy. 
Women can be Beastly. Your Brother also sounds like a decent guy, some men walk away.

 ::MonkeyDance:: Welcome ABP

Your post of Terri made me think. I just found this on the net ..
http://www.abandonment.net/abando.frame.html

Knowing that Terri was adopted as an infant. Has posted on the net, her search for her bio parents. 

snipped from link above:
What is abandoholism?
You’ve heard of food-oholism, work-oholism, shop-oholism and, of course, alcoholism. Now here comes another, most insidious, addictive pattern – aband-oholism.

Abandoholism is a tendency to become attracted to unavailable partners. Many abandonment survivors are caught up in this painful pattern.

Abandoholism is similar to the other ‘oholisms, but instead of being addicted to a substance, you’re addicted to the emotional drama of heartbreak. You pursue hard-to-get partners to keep the romantic intensity going, and to keep your body’s love-chemicals and stress hormones flowing.
--
What makes someone an abandoholic?

Abandoholism sets in when you’ve been hurt so many times that you’ve come to equate insecurity with love. Unless you’re pursuing someone you’re insecure about, you don’t feel in love.

Conversely, when someone comes along who wants to be with you, that person’s availability fails to arouse the required level of insecurity. If you can’t feel those yearning, lovesick feelings, then you don’t feel attracted, so you keep pursuing unavailable partners.

You become psychobiologically addicted to the high stakes drama of an emotional challenge and the love-chemicals that go with it.

Abandoholism is driven by both fear of abandonment and fear of engulfment.

When you’re attracted to someone, it arouses a fear of losing that person. This fear causes you to become clingy and needy. You try to hide your insecurity, but your desperation shows through, causing your partners to lose romantic interest in you. They sense your emotional suction cups aiming straight toward them and it scares them away.

Fear of engulfment is at the opposite end of the spectrum. It occurs when someone is pursuing you and now you’re the one pulling back. You feel engulfed by that person’s desire to be with you. When fear of engulfment kicks in, you panic. Your feelings shut down. You no longer feel the connection. The panic is about your fear of being engulfed by the other person’s emotional expectations of you. You fear that the other person’s feelings will pressure you to abandon your own romantic needs.

Fear of engulfment is one of the most common causes for the demise of new relationships, but it is carefully disguised in excuses like: "He just doesn’t turn me on." Or "I don’t feel any chemistry." Or "She’s too nice to hold my interest." Or "I need more of a challenge."

Abandoholics tend to swing back and forth between fear of abandonment and fear of engulfment. You’re either pursuing hard-to-get-lovers, or you’re feeling turned off by someone who IS interested in you.

--
Interesting  ::rhino:: could Terri be a Abdonaholic?

 ::MonkeyQuestion::   You just may be onto something there Miss Deenie!     ::MonkeyShocked::

TMH wants the Challenge, not the man. When the challenge is over so is the person, gonzo :)  She wants the challenge for
a child then gonzo for the kid.  IMO.  Abandoholic?  Perhaps a connection of some sort.  She only wants the excitment and
noth of the dirty dishes.   ::MonkeyHaHa::

Kyron Horman Birthday Fundraiser Nets $1,500
http://www.kptv.com/news/24998510/detail.html

The general manager of Wilsonville Family Fun Center and Bullwinkle's Restaurant said nearly 300 participated in the fundraiser for the Kyron Horman Foundation,  and more than 500 people came out to celebrate.

Instead of me chopping and messing with the article
I provide the link of the entire article
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/08/terri_horman.html

Points pulled out:

1988 -Terri's Sr Year High School, 18 yrs old.  Terri meets Ecker and dates him. They remain friends.
   She and he must have been very close friends. That they stayed in a long term relationship.
Ecker recalls her 21st Birthday party and that he was asked to stand up at her wedding ( Groomsman) November 1991.

November 1991 - Terri marries Ron Tarver Jr.
The couple move to Albany and ran a Storage Facility Business.
After at what year? Terri and Ron Tarver along with Terri's parents invest in a restaurant franchise " Chubby's"
1994 Terri and Ron along with Terri's Parents sue the franchise and are offered a 250k settlement.
January 1994 James is born.

November 1995 Terri and Ron Tarver Divorce.
directly after divorce - Terri and Richard Ecker start dating again

August 1996 Terri and Richard Ecker get married.
March 1998   Terri is in a car accident hit by a Drunk Driver suffering health ailments
August 1998 - Richard Ecker adopts James

After adopting James, the elder Eckers express their concern for their son. That he was pushed into adopting James. Soon after within the article they express that Terri felt they could reach into the bank account ??? of Jame's inheritance?? 
Was the money from the Car accident? Or Chubbys ?? or ??

January 2002 Terri and Richard are Divorced.
Spring of 2002 Terri finds her interest " Working out at the Gym"
June 2002 Terri meets Kaine Horman at restaurant and begins dating him.
September 2002 Kyron Horman is Born
December 2002 Terri and Kaine move in with each other.
Court records early 2003  Kaine and Desiree's divorce is finalized.
2003 Terri earns a Master's of Art Education from Pacific University
2004 Desiree goes to live in Canada for Medical treatment
2005 Terri starts training " Body Building"
July 2005 Terri is arrested for Drunk Driving with James in the car
2006 Kaine sells Aloha House that was his house with Kyron, that he shared with Terri/James
Jan 2007 Kaine purchases house in Portland
3 months later 2007 Kaine and Terri get married in Hawaii
November 2008 Kiara is born

Sometime 2009 speculated Terri hires a Landscaper - to place a hit on Kaine

2010 James is sent away to live with maternal Grandparents  - then to live with Tarver and his wife/siblings.

2010 Terri is still unemployed, not able to find a teaching position and is a stay at home Mom of Kyron & Kiara
2010 Terri finds herself complaining of loneliness, lack of money and that she is spending many hours online playing games, shopping online, feeling inadequate with her looks, her body etc... to all and any that will reply to her on facebook.

June 4th, 2010 is not a normal day, it starts out with possibly an argument with Kaine/Terri carrying itself over from the night before. Kaine scoots off to the office, Terri takes Kyron to School. It is Kyron's Science Fair. It's his Day and yet none of his parents stay for Kyron. Terri drops him off, Kaine never goes, Desiree is 4 hours away.
Could it be that all the adults were in such a " triangle" that they chose not to meet up at Kyron's school .. for his BIG DAY .. because neither one of them wanted to run into each other.. to attempt to exchange false fake pleasantries.
--
The pattern of Terri though is why I broke this down. Every year noted its " Drama" its Fight or Flight in Terri's Life. Its I either gotta get out or Find a New Person to Carry Me.
Because for some reason she feels - she is not GOOD Enough to stand on her own two feet.
She has amazing credentials. However never utilizing them. Or when she did she offered up such a personality conflict she was not wanted. Even as a Substitute Teacher.
She has never left herself with a time to heal. She has never had a time in her adult life to figure out what she WANTS and Needs as an individual.  She has jumped from Man to Man - since she was 18 years old. My guess her brain stopped and is still living in theory as if she still in High School. Even then she didn't have control. Her Father Larry always pushing her to be the best of the best ..  ::MonkeyNoNo:: She doesn't have the skills to handle " her own self " because she doesn't know who she is. Trials and Errors she has a mountain of. Her successes being James Mother .. He is more mature than she is. Kiara is was a new anchor for her ..and I have said this before. I bet she is relieved that Kaine has custody of Her.
Kyron was the " one who mattered least, yet could cause the most damage and pain to Kaines world" .. because He made Promises to Terri. ( Her brain) He said it would be different.
Do you see how sick Terri could possibly be? That she is that tired from running from Life.
She found out that Kaine did have an affair or not ?- but he simply didn't provide her with what her expectations were? How to you build a foundation on a relationship that started with a Married Man, with a 8 month Pregnant wife .. that is surrounded by pain. A powder keg of emotions. I am sure that Kaine fed her the biggest bunch of Woes .. and etcs. BUT in Terri's mind " He Picked Me" .... awe. puke. How would anyone find this a easy ride without complications .......??? I think it drew Terri in more ( Kaine's perplexities) yet would scare any other normal woman away. A healthy Mind would say to Kaine.. once you are divorced and your settled give me a call. Maybe we can have coffee. 
Kyron became a target I think, because he was easy pray and Terri could manipulate him, the Day of June 4... I still think she had help. She I believe has a treasure trove of " friends" within her years that are not the greatest ..but served her for the times she felt alone. 
 Kyron  ::FlyingFrog::


 
 

YES, now that is believable, to me anyway, jmo

wow, now we're thinking like she might, i mean speculation sorta, but more follow the things she has done in her past, this is her m/o
change james name to get the moulton money, get rid of kaine and kyron to get kaines money (kiara) too bad even if it had worked no way a judge or cps will ever let her have her daughter back, just from the sleepin around she has done, and the bat phones, and the lack of concern for kyron. there was a cps review done when she got the dui with james in the car, she is already on her way, and she did it to herself

that was back in 1994 but do the moultons still own the storage place?

Kyron sighting on an eastbound train that is being stopped. On scanner now

http://www.radioreference.com/apps/audio/?action=cwp&ctid=2230

My guess would be businesses that needed a lot of untraceable phones.

A second "Kyron" sighting on a basketball court. Yeah, right. I'm getting really disheartened. I don't know if this is related, but there's a caller from 24 Hr. Fitness. That one could be for something different though. I'm gonna quit listening to this scanner.

I'll bet as soon as I stop listening to the scanner, there'll be a valid sighting. Damn, I'm hooked.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Thanks Scatty

 ::MonkeyKiss::   Scatty~  Keep listening!     ::MonkeyAngel::

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/08/terri_horman.htmlhe dates -
Going back to the dates,
June 2002 Kaine and Terri Meet - Kaine very much married to Desiree
Kyron Born Sept 2002
Dec 2002 Kaine buys house in Aloha Oregon or had it prior, Terri and James move in.
Kaine and Desiree divorced in 2003.
April 2007 - Kaine and Terri are legally married.
Kiara born November 2008
--All above are huge life changing events - with deception from the beginning. Both I feel on Terri and Kaine's part.
2007 Portland House/Marriage of Terri and Kaine
The house, the life filled with New hope and promises " The house that Terri had never prior to Kaine, to call her own, did it find her with reminders of feeling trapped" ? That she felt in her mind a bit Peter Peter Pumpkin Eater syndrome - the fairy tale of woe.  OR even deeper did Terri find out that Desiree was telling the truth. Desiree to be her sworn enemy at times prior. Human Nature within 2 Women involved with One Man - the scorned is never to be believed.. the new gal to think he walks on water. Never for them to be friends, because that would show weakness on Terri's part.  She is to represent Kaine, Not be Desiree's confidant. Time, considered, it is less than 2 years they had to establish themselves, as married. She was given a Hot Cinnamon red Mustang for Mother's day - must have been something she wanted very much. Her to have a vanity plate on it RDSQRL - that was of her personality, her to show ownership of the car, driving around. This is Me.  Which is more than likely the first time she was able to have something just her own; and that is why it was that extreme. Not only the vanity plate but the car itself. It's again the mindset of a 18 yr old - WHEW YES! DAD Bought me my DREAM CAR. 
--Makes me wonder what type of relationship unfolded within Terri and Kaine. Were they at first equals- Was to be a Hot Wild Ride of excitement. Trips going places etc.. With Kyron going to Desiree, James being shuttled off at a moments notice to his Grandparents. And then the Honeymoon was over - all the fun stopped. Terri found herself pregnant and in shock. Kaine as well in shock. Kaine and Terri were not Kids. This was Terri's 3rd marriage, Kaine's 2nd marriage ... something switched off along the way. Something lost its momentum.
The photo's of Terri with Kaine, Kyron, James or just Terri and Kaine - Terri looks glowing and youthful and happy. She slowly starts to evaporate ..and ages considerably within one year's time or less. 
Uggh I hate to go back to Mother Goose with Kyron considered because that is what JW offered - ick ugh - but this makes sense.
 Mother Goose 1825
Peter, Peter, pumpkin eater, = Kaine
Had a wife and couldn't keep her; = Desiree
He put her in a pumpkin shell = Terri hidden while married to Desiree
And there he keep her very well. = Kaine underestimated Terri
Peter, Peter, pumpkin eater, = Mr. I need someone to take care of my Son, Yet I require  my own personal benefits, with such a person, meaning live in and bedroom partner
Had another, and didn't love her; = Terri
Peter learned to read and spell, = KH wanted Terri as a Trophy Wife
And then he loved her very well. =  Kaine/Terri. Terri wanted to be a Trophy Wife too - Yet it turned out to be relationship quite the opposite. She wanted all the thrills and Frolic not the responsibility nor commitment of Motherhood... housekeeper, mundane activities .. that she felt she didn't sign up for..because Kaine said ... it would be different. 
He said: We will revive and relive our Youth and be that couple of Power - work out, look hot, be hot and be ahead of the game - be a united front. Didn't happen.
   ::MonkeyNoNo::
NOPE, and it all unraveled when she became pregnant with Kiara. Which more than likely tripped her off to her years of uncertainty with Tarver. When she was married to him. That when she had James, her world fell apart and she was left again at the curb. 
Did she intentionally poke Kaine, prod him and test him over his limits - to see what he could withstand? And when he didn't offer up anything as a reaction ..to suit her needs. She fabricated he was having an affair, or possibly he was, or possibly she was ? Terri told Kaine Our life will never be boring? We are the dynamic duo Hot Couple. It all ended for him too, when Kiara came along. Was not in the plans. Once he expected Terri to be his Trophy wife..not a humdrum housewife depressed etc. She wanting too to be a Trophy wife, yet employed. All though came to a halt. Communication/relationship TH/KH - Stopped.
She knew she had to do something to get Kaine's attention. --She feeling it worse, being trapped in her head and house with two kids then hired the hit man? Possibly not to kill him, but to scare the living daylights out of him? or that she went as far to Hurt Kyron? To get his attention? 

I mentioned Chris Rock the other night. Yes, many f bombs and all. But the psychology is there. Married and Bored vs Single and Lonely.  He says in his comedy act. Married and Bored are the best of relationships. Marriage with excitement causes one to " be on their watch" that they never know what is coming around the corner.  He said most Exciting "single or married"  relationships are BAD. And I agree with him. Boring is Beautiful. Excitement brought into a marriage usually means ...something is JUST NOT Right. Did Terri have to create her own Excitement ? which was BAD? Thinking something Good would come from it?
Possibly her being the Hero in the end? Yet it didn't work out the way she had planned it?
 


   
 

You got me to listen to it ;-)

I found this article today within News search - Kyron

Which about flipped me over.
http://www.kptv.com/news/24992876/detail.html

VANCOUVER, Wash. -- A Vancouver kindergarten student who wandered into the wrong classroom set off a two-hour search and a school lock-down Monday, school officials said.
The child's mother realized he was missing when she arrived at the school to pick him up from his half day of kindergarten.
School administrators locked down the school while the building and grounds were searched. Clark County sheriff's deputies also helped in the effort.

Surveillance cameras on the boy's bus captured a picture of him, which helped teachers track him down. He was found at about 1 p.m. after his photo was circulated among school staff members, Stork said.
Vancouver Public Schools have an automated call system that alerts parents when students are absent, but Stork said it wasn't activated yet.
"We’re shuffling classrooms, readjusting for new students. So, for the first few days, we don’t have that system in place," Stork said.
Travis Wagner, the boy's uncle, said the incident gave him a new perspective on the disappearance of Kyron Horman, an 8-year-old boy who vanished from Skyline School last June and remains missing.
"That’s a really big scare and I can only imagine how Kyron’s family feels. I just want to let them know our thoughts are with them," Wagner said.
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Knowing you do not have " Control" over who is or isn't in the School - would that not want you to make the Surveillance of the Automotive Call System in Place ? Rather than to leave it dysfunctional ?  or not working for the first few days??  That it would offer a check and balance of who actually attended was sitting in their chairs ? or NOT? Is it that hard to go off a roster in a elementary school class of 25-35 students of who is present or who is absent? each Teacher representing who is in their own class room?

Seems Bass Ackwards to me for them to use the useless of excuses of adding " discomfort" for the teachers to be able to track new/unknown/known students of the school ...within the first few days ? It's in place for a reason. Hence they lost a 1/2 day Kindergarten Student - and had to go to such extremes to bring his photo to each class room in order to find out if he was in the building ??
-Obviously he was in the building that he was in his class, yet he was not able to be found after his class was over? He was sitting in another classroom that was not his ...yet it caused a Lock Down within the school? The sheriff's Dept to assist? If they had been on their " Job" of noting class count etc .. and found a little face " among many " looking like this :shock: that was lost and confused - I guess it would not have caused such a havoc ... in the first place. jmo. 
--They compare this story to Kyron, Now knowing this, Kyron's story, would they not enforce all and everything to prevent another Kyron ......No they didn't. In fact they admit their school had more preventative measures than Skyline ever had. Yet chose not use them in the first few days.. Because too much UNKNOWN is going on ..It would be a distraction or add discomfort to the Staff   :2brickwall:   

 

Brandi I went to the scanner site and found the link to my own city. I started listening and within 3 mins was transmission heard that 3 squads were going to an address .. they offered up the address and I was like HOLY Batman that is right behind my house ..literally.  I have a apt complex directly behind my house ... was the apts they were going to. I then walked upstairs and shut all my windows and locked them.  I don't know if I really want to hear all that is on the scanners .. too scary or too much information ?
I found in the news today searching Two sitings of Kyron - that were found in the last 3 days - that panned out to be " boys that looked like him" ...  yet were not him. Sigh.

I hope they put that system to work the very next day. I was sharing this story with some of the mom's this morning and everyone just laughed it off....oh...a happy ending....hahahahaha..
I don't find any part of this story funny. It is Horrible that the schools are so blah-say....this is very discouraging....especially coming out of Oregon.

whoops I mean Washington,,,,but it is right next to the border with Oregon...Vancouver Washington that is

Tolerance, that had occurred to me, too.  However, when I saw a photo of Mr. Tarver, I felt there was a resemblance between him and James.

Spodie my daughter went to a high school that had over 9900 Students. Three High Schools on one campus. They called it a campus. I know that if I didn't call in within a certain " time" her absence - I would have a call to my house and the Woman was assigned to our last name by alphabet - from her home school office. It only happened about 3 times that I forgot to call first. Her homeroom started at 7:15am.  The times that I lacked calling in was because K was up all night sick and 7 am rolled around - we had been up all night ..and simply didn't call in. We were sleeping - I found it aggravating in those times because I knew my Daughter was sick, and this woman would use a tone as if I had done something heinous by not calling in. That it was criminal, she would ask me a list of questions, monotone .. I felt as if she was reading a check off list...  that if I answered it incorrectly I would have the High School Gestapo at my door.

I never though doubted the system to be faulty, It was almost over the top that they felt they needed too much information from me. That only happened though when a call was placed to my house that she was not in school/and she was laid out in her bed me witnessing. I never though received a call - after she WENT to school and was found NOT to appear ..two total different scenarios.




 

What is the status of the Kyron sighting?

Any updates?

Didn't Tarver adopt James ? Up here, you adopt them, they are yours. And if you split up with the Mom, you still pay the support just as the bio dad would do.

Tarver=natural dad
Ecker=adopted James

I haven't heard anything. The scanner suddenly went to some shared frequency and I can't get the county/city of Portland back on again

try this one Nana:
http://www.radioreference.com/apps/audio/?action=wp&feedId=348

I use to run both at the same time - earlier when I tried though, only one would work at a time - YET they still both had different things going on...
The other may have been put on private, they do that a lot seems...

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8508.msg1228762#msg1228762

regarding the kid lost in school in van, wa.link above
how do you have an extra/unknown kid in your class and not notice
i mean it wasnt like so and so/principle ect, brought him/her in and said,
well this is so and so a new student, and you didnt notice the kid wander in
observation seems to have flown byebye
maybe a nanny cam type of system, that works with the progress book app
an app for parents to keep up with their kids progress, it requires a user name
and  password to log in, i think every state has something similar
check out the Demonstration Videos, for the app
 we can keep up with their progress in studies, but not the physical student
and where abouts physically of the student in/on school property
https://www.progressbook.com/General/Home.aspx

They go to like "Tech2" when they want to go private.

Kaine sells Aloha House that was his house with Kyron, that he shared with Terri/James

Where was this house located and at this point, Kyron would be Kaine's only heir.  After selling this house and buying the new one, I'm assuming it wasn't marital property since Kaine bought it prior the marriage- unless Oregon is different.

Kiara and Kyron would be Kaine's heirs- unless there was a stipulation in an alleged life insurance policy for Quinn and/or James.  (It's possible, Kaine did help raise and support these boys)

Terri did not need to change James's last name to Moulton for inheritance purposes. 
I'd like to think she did it for her parents to continue on their family name. No matter what situation would present itself, this was Terri's maiden name/family name and no-one could take it away from James.

I always thought Terri had too much to loose with the MFH plot, but it seems like she could have gotten alot more with Kaine AND Kyron being out of the picture.

 

Monkey King,
There are many questions revolving $$ that is attached to Terri
There is the business she and Tarver owned with her Parents Moultons - Chubby's
That settled up with a 250k pay off - lawsuit
She was still married to Tarver when the 250k came through.
James born in the same year. Her and Tarver to Divorce shortly after Jame's birth.
Her to marry Ecker less than a Year Later.
She then is hit by a Drunk Driver according to Ecker, with major health issues - I am sure there was a lawsuit - with money rewarded to Terri.
Ecker adopting James
His parents offering quips that Ecker paid for her college and that they were under scrutiny of using Jame's inheritance money ... ??
--
Seems to be that either Terri had money at one time ?? she pixxed it away on ?? or its held in a trust until James is 18?
Seems though that there is lots of unaccounted Monies floating with Terri's name attached.

suspiscious about how she is paying for houze? even her friends were..
http://www.katu.com/news/local/97449789.html
Story Published: Jun 29, 2010 at 8:41 PM PDT
Story Updated: Jun 30, 2010 at 9:32 AM PDT
PORTLAND, Ore. - Close friends of Terri Horman, the stepmother of missing 7-year-old Kyron Horman, say they wish she would speak out so people can hear her side of the story, and they’ve also advised her to hire an attorney.
Those friends, who have declined to speak on camera, said her husband’s motion to divorce is leaving her without the funds to afford a quality lawyer.

Terri changes: the one post i forgot to reference by kgw link. is kaas watching **ducking


In his response to questions from KGW, Kaine acknowledged that people have commented about 'how could he marry a woman like this' and how could he 'not see this coming.'
In response, he wrote: "Terri was a good person when we first met and for several years (I’d say up until 2008). She was always about children (teaching) and helping them grow and develop. Her attitude was always about those types of things first, her own self not even being a priority close to that. I believe that this is the Terri that everyone else saw and got to know as I did."
"Honestly everyone, including myself, that knew her or knows her did not see this coming. She was not the type of person we are seeing right now," added Kaine Horman.
"There were some signs of emotional distress here and there over the past year and a half but not enough of that directed at any one person to conclude she would be capable of anything even remotely close to events of the severity we have all seen."
"She recently got her teaching license re-instated and has been applying for teaching positions so even the state of Oregon didn’t see this coming," wrote Kaine Horman.

On Sunday KATU also received our first confirmation that Terri Horman has been the subject of a prior investigation regarding her parenting.

A source confirmed late Sunday afternoon that the Oregon Department of Human Services opened a case on Terri Horman following a 2005 arrest and charge of driving under the influence. Her biological son, who was 11 at the time, was in the car when his mother was arrested. As such, Horman also was convicted of reckless endangerment of that son.

Horman pleaded guilty in that incident. She had her license suspended for a month and a half, and served out a 12-month probation for those convictions
http://www.katu.com/news/local/97777564.html
Story Published: Jul 4, 2010 at 5:54 PM PDT

throwing that hacky sack back at ya!

i dont know if this will work but here is a map that shows what was originally searched:
never mind, i dont know how to do that, i will go get the link instead

Links to maps:
http://sunset.katu.com/content/search-kyron-extends-sunset
http://northwestportland.katu.com/content/search-kyron-extends-local-communities

does anyone know how to blow these up maybe, i am curious if they already searched the area in question here, but also if rudy sanchez place is around here.

you would have to access the area on:  http://maps.google.com/

RS supposedly lives in Woodburn - not too close to that area in the map above

Sacky,

Wow, thanks for the map!  ::MonkeyKiss::

I'm days and days behind.  Please pardon my barging in on this, there is no way I have time to catch up (looking over hairy shoulders, right/left)... I'm not supposed to be here now!  (Have sworn off sleuthing after spending the whole summer at it.)   ::MonkeyNoNo::

But!  First!  I have to know one more thing... (I'm like an addict when it comes to this case!)
... could someone pretty please show where the Horman's residence is on Shady Nook?

TIA!

::MonkeyEek::

Oo-oo-ps!  Cut myself off:

In relation to the map, I mean.  How close to the Villarreal's is the Horman residence? 

Thanks, O Brilliant Ones!!  I CAN NOT figure out how to post maps...     ::MonkeyConfused::

Koko - here's a link:

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=Northwest+Folkenberg+Street,+Portland,+OR&daddr=15725+NW+Sheltered+Nook+Rd,+Portland,+OR+97231&hl=en&geocode=FbFIuAIdIjut-CkT8InzLQeVVDE8YH28Rp9ZtQ%3BFdZYuAIdHC6t-CnF13BDzQCVVDHhEaqh9vreLg&mra=ls&sll=45.636742,-122.864335&sspn=0.009782,0.018733&ie=UTF8&ll=45.634206,-122.865601&spn=0.009783,0.018733&t=h&z=16 (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=Northwest+Folkenberg+Street,+Portland,+OR&daddr=15725+NW+Sheltered+Nook+Rd,+Portland,+OR+97231&hl=en&geocode=FbFIuAIdIjut-CkT8InzLQeVVDE8YH28Rp9ZtQ%3BFdZYuAIdHC6t-CnF13BDzQCVVDHhEaqh9vreLg&mra=ls&sll=45.636742,-122.864335&sspn=0.009782,0.018733&ie=UTF8&ll=45.634206,-122.865601&spn=0.009783,0.018733&t=h&z=16)

It shows you Horman home and the others you mentioned -
0.7 miles apart

MK,

Regarding property division during divorce in Oregon:  we are a "no fault" state.  I believe property is divided equally, though I'm not sure how this differs from a "community property" state (like California, for instance).  Don't know if the length of the marriage would be a factor in deciding this, but I don't think so.  Seems like everything is just split in half... Here's a quote:

http://divorcesupport.about.com/od/statedivorcelaws/a/Oregon_Laws.htm (http://divorcesupport.about.com/od/statedivorcelaws/a/Oregon_Laws.htm)

Checking in here, saw this, and it got me thinking.  Someone (MonkeyKing?) commented that Terri appeared to be kind of revamping her life late 2009-early 2010.   I agree.  This post caught my eye because in an interview since June 2010, James said he's talked to Terri on the phone a few times, but hasn't seen her face-to-face since Kyron went missing. This fits in with Terri sending him to live with Ron Tarver, but not because of Kaine.  If Terri was the reason, it would explain Terri not visiting James in person.  Why wouldn't she want to see James, to reassure him that she had nothing to do with Kyron's absence, to give him something to answer with when people or other kids make comments to him/question him/bully him?  Seriously, what good mother wouldn't? If Kaine were the reason James got sent away, James wouldn't have been so generous to Kaine in the interview.  He'd have either hem and hawed or he'd have slammed Kaine for sending him away.  He'd have also been defensive of Terri, in regards to Kaine...he did none of those three things.

Deenie has an interesting post on page 14(?), with a timeline of Terri's life.  It appears Terri can only sustain a relationship for 6 years.  It also appears she finds a new man when money runs out or he can't keep her in the manner in which she's accustomed to.  Which leads me to Kaine.  I wonder if Intel was cutting back in Oct-Dec 2009 (as many businesses were).  People were cutting hours, number of employees, Christmas bonuses, other perks, etc.  Wonder if anything came into play financially, like college tuition for James or the costs for owning/training/showing horses?  Was Terri a paid teaching assistant and was that "her" money?

As for the revamping, she allegedly contracted a murder-for-hire on Kaine, changed James' name and sent him to live with Tarver, and renewed her teaching license, all within 3 months.  Given her life's history, she has a pattern of changing husbands (every 4-6 years) and improving/advancing herself with some project (every 2 years).  IMO, she probably threw herself into Kiara as her "project", to the exclusion of Kaine.  Coupled with Terri's reported mood swings, Kaine may have felt displaced and somewhat reluctant to engage her.  Terri may have interpreted that as disinterest and rejection or as "evidence" of Kaine having an affair (shades of the Desiree situation).  So, Terri planned revenge with a murder-for-hire.  IMO, James was sent to Tarver because he was old enough and loyal enough to Kaine to be a problem.  If Kaine found out about her affair with the landscaper, she'd lose her financial cushion, her housing, and possibly Kiara.  However, if Terri realized it would be even more fitting revenge to disappear Kyron, a planned event with a planned alibi of course.  After all, Kaine would be devastated, Desiree would be devastated, Kiara would be the sole surviving child inheritance-wise, Terri could play grieving stepmom for a season, Terri would be free of both boys, and she'd eventually leave Kaine or Kaine would meet with some unfortunate accident.  *Side note: If I were Ecker or Tarver, I'd be thanking God right now that I was still breathing.* It wouldn't surprise me if Terri hadn't been planning Kyron's "disappearance" since February-April because the rest of the plan was coming together.  The landscaper was "caught" by the phone records, IIRC.  IMO, he didn't want to be implicated in a kidnapping/possible child murder, so he turned evidence on Terri in the murder-for-hire.  I don't think the landscaper is involved in Kyron disappearing though...too much chance for a he said/she said and him taking the fall by coming forward on the other.  Something prevented Terri from carrying out the hit on Kaine and caused her to focus instead on Kyron.  Did she think the house was in both their names or she'd get it under community property?  Or did she find out Kyron was the primary beneficiary or equal beneficiary of life insurance policies/Kaine's will/401K/investments?  Lots of questions, not enough answers. Wonder why Kaine never put Terri's name on the house deed?  Did he provide for Kyron at the time and just never got around to changing things? If Terri left Kaine, what would she get?  She'd likely get shared custody, alimony, and either a job or a man (bye-bye alimony).  Disappearing Kyron would probably seem like just desserts to her since she took care of him from toddlerhood.  But how does that solve her money angle?
O.k., done rambling for the night.  LOL!  Catch you later!         

Zippiddy,

Zow!  That was so fast, thanks!!!   ::MonkeyDance::  ::MonkeyKiss::   ::MonkeyDance::

Terri is still under a no contact court order-correct?

I wonder if James being 16 was causing any stress in the home. Wonder if he wanted or had his driver's license. Perhaps Terri didn't want to share her Shiny Red Mustang. Is it hard to learn how to drive Kaine's truck? maybe he asked one to many times and Terri couldn't handle it and sent him away.  With her actions, she seems that selfish to me....JMO

ISpy - James claims he has seen Terri:
James said she has a treadmill in her parents' home but no cell phone or computer.

He's seen her a few times and talks to her regularly on the phone.

"I think she's really lonely," James said. "She's not supposed to leave the house."

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/08/terri_horman.html

Yup James had passed his test for either a Learner's Permit OR Driver's License - there is a photo of him at the DMV somewheres - I'll try to find it ...
and ANY teenager is gunna add some stress to "any" household - it's their job  ::MonkeyDevil::  IMO lol

Spodie - heres a link to a photo of James at DMV - don't really want to post his picture here
http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=2052718&id=1264414625#!/photo.php?pid=1055389&id=1264414625&ref=fbx_album

Comment BELOW photo:
James just finishing the eye exam after scoring 93% on his driver's permit test.

To be sure! That is their job and I certainly mean no disrespect to James in any way. Terri was the problem.    IMO

Kyron Where Are You? We Want You Home!!!!

 ::MonkeyConfused:: self-edited to repair "link" lol

Dang Zip!  You gotta a good idea and a sharp mind. Hmmmmmmm interesting no photos of him ACTUALLY driving......I wonder.....the Truck or the Mustang?   

Regarding where the money came from to hire a high powered attorney like Houze...
Here's a theory:  (oh, and I'm a rookie, so if this is NOT the place to speculate, I apologize in advance...)   

I'm wondering if Terry sold the rights to her story (memoir or book) to Houze for a token amount?  In other words, signed over the royalties to him.

Isn't there some law that states if you are imprisoned you can't profit from your crime?   ::MonkeyGavel::

But, maybe....it's OK for your lawyer to?!?   ::MonkeyShocked::

I do know for the average citizen, we each own the rights to our own story.  Only after you've been dead for a certain amount of time (50 years?) do those rights revert to the public.

If you are famous, however, I believe all bets are off because your story becomes public property... But!  If Terri did sign over the rights, she wasn't really famous (or I should say 'infamous') at the time...

What do you all think?  ::MonkeyConfused::  KoKo

HAHAHAHAAHa
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Zip you have a good memory......obviously I do NOT... lol

Aha!  THANKS for that!  I've been wondering about him driving for months now....

SPECULATION - you ask whether this is the right place to speculate?  I say what do we "truely" have to base anything on in this case... aside from a few facts.. and most are second-hand for the most part?   Most has been speculation of sorts no?  At least IMO - and anythings plausible I reckon as for her signing over her "rights" to a later story/movie/etc 
Somebody that lives in Portland and contacted me through Facebook told me it's pretty common knowledge within the THSP "world"  ::MonkeyConfused:: that one of the Admin's on that site owns a trucking company and is "donating" or whatever, to Terri's "legal fund" ?  Of course - I take anything told me with a grain of salt at this point  ::MonkeyDevil:: (or a bucket full of salt)