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 ::MonkeyAngel::

Everyone is back there reading Flymonkeys posts.  Actually the way Flymonkey posted it would be easy to go to her profile and simply read all of her posts.

Hi Klaas,  I hope she stops there to read my questions     ::CowboySmiley::

At first I thought that I was on the wrong new thread  ::MonkeyEek::

Thanks MuffyBee for the great OT.  xox

Muffy great picture...I love how the frog is looking at Kyron ::MonkeyAngel::

Sorry for jumping into the new cage with muddy feet but I had to bring this excerpt over from the last thread:

DeDe felt that Kaine and Terri's marriage was not particularly healthy.  She has called Kaine a "control freak" and she has told me that she felt he was verbally abusive to James and that this is why James moved out.  I'm afraid I don't know much more than that - no specific examples of verbal abuse.  Although I think you can see Kaine's need for control in some of the press conference videos, from what I have heard.

Welcome Flymonkey, and no offense to you, but I think it's tacky of DeDe to be spreading Terri's phoney baloney propoganda around. It reeks.  ::MonkeyShovel::
Yeah sure, Kaine was so controlling that his wife hired landscaper(s) that he knew nothing about. He was so controlling that Terri insisted he discipline Kyrone for ridiculous reasons such as not receiving the right color report on a daily basis. He was so controlling that he had no idea how she spent her days. He was so controlling that James said he missed Kaine. He was so controlling ... Oh why bother? People that believe everything coming from Terri's lips as gospel are still going to believe, despite what the facts are.
BTW, to which videos are you referring? I must have missed those. Do you have any links? TIA

I have such a strong sense of Deja Vu when I read those posts as if I have 'met' that poster before.  Interesting writing style.

Flymonkey are you a male or female friend of DeDe? Guess it doesn't matter, just curious.

It sounds so familiar, doesn't it?

Good Evening Monkeys and Guest!

 ::Baseball:: snipped from the last thread to save quote stack
reply from FlyMonkey:


DeDe is definitely not angry at Terri, but they have not spoken since about the middle of July.  Terri's attorney is pretty rabid about keeping her off the phone and out of the newpapers.  Also, because LE is probably tracking phone calls from each of them, one calling the other would probably cause the DA to have a stroke!
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Do you think that your phone calls are being recorded when you speak with DeDe? Is DeDe being followed? or watched on a daily basis?  Thank you for answering these questions.
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We have no idea whether they are listening or not, but we do try to laugh about it.   And we sometimes deliberately have long conversations about how incompetent LE has been in this case and how much time they are wasting, just on the off chance that they ARE listening.
DeDe was not thrilled when Jason started posting, but she feels now like he said some things that allowed people to see her as more human.  The information about her losing her job and becoming depressed... that is all pretty true, but I don't think anybody really thought of her as a person until he spilled his guts.  I would like to say that he has put a definite "spin" on the planter box story, but he was mostly pretty honest about the rest.  Oh- except DeDe has definitely had more than one boyfriend.  She was pretty serious about him until it started to become clear that he was somewhat "unstable," so perhaps he thought of himself as her first "serious" boyfriend.
 
 

The bolded sentence above really ticks me off. So you think it is funny to laugh at LE when a precious child is missing? My son is a detective .....they risk their lives for all of us everyday...are away from their families way more than they would like to be. They are underpaid and under appreciated. They see things on the streets everyday that would destroy most people. Then you and dede have the nerve to actually laugh and talk sh$t about LE. Shame on you!
There is a Terri support page and now a Dede support page. Here's a quarter to call someone who  gives a d@mn about Terri's and  Dede's  support. Then you say in another post that Terri was upset a lot of the time about Kyron.....why not all the time. Oh forgot she had to send sex messages and Dear Tom has already stated that Dede saw what she was sexting and it wasn't too bad. GMAFB. Sorry POS!

[quote from FlyMonkey, Reply #907 in previous thread (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8508.900)]We have no idea whether they [LE] are listening or not, but we do try to laugh about it.   And we sometimes deliberately have long conversations about how incompetent LE has been in this case and how much time they are wasting, just on the off chance that they ARE listening.[/quote]

Always like to see mature, adult behavior when a child is missing. Tying up LE (if they were even listening) with prank phone conversations is always helpful.

A child is missing, and these two don't seem to give a damn. Their combined IQ must be in the double-digits.

At least this gives me a clue to the mentality of FlyMonkey and her friend DeDe.

We have no idea whether they are listening or not, but we do try to laugh about it.   And we sometimes deliberately have long conversations about how incompetent LE has been in this case and how much time they are wasting, just on the off chance that they ARE listening.         I somehow must have missed this in the last thread. What is the point to that? Boredom?

Not boredom, just two juveniles playing with an 8 yr old child's life. Makes you want to bow down and show your respect to such fine upstanding folks now don't it.

I would not have any problem with every bit of my current and past life coming to light if it would find a child. I have skeletons in my closets but nothing that would not stand a good airing if needed. No one LIKES having the details of themselves and their past on the news and being investigated. My personal hope would be, the police would look at the past, make the decision (assuming I am innocent!) that nothing there is of any help to them. I am sure that LE has better things to do than to go around digging up embarrassing things about people when they are trying to find a child. I say let them look. But that is JMO.

darla, seems you and I were hit by the same paragraph from FlyMonkey. LE is having to deal with a bunch of mental midgets. Unbelievable.

and I know the word should have been "doesn't" , just trying to get down to their IQ level.

Yes we were. I knew I should have gone and played games instead of coming in here tonight. Mental midgets is a kind way to say it.

If I had not gone with "mental midgets" but gone with what I truly would like to say, Klaas would swing in and ban me for extremely trashy language.
 ::monkeywine2::

Me too Grey....These supporters of Terri and Dede make me want to barf with oh no,they would never do anything to hurt a child....well the way I look at it no one thought a Boy Scout leader, or a church worker or a Catholic Priest would ever hurt a child, or even a mother or father......well wake up folks it happens everyday.

Flymonkey sounds very much like a couple of members of the Terri Horman support facebook.  I'll take a look and see if I can figure out who they sound like.   ::MonkeyCool::

Very hard to understand that kind of behavior.

Rose it is shameful and down right evil the games these so called adults are playing with LE and with Kyron. Like the movie Catch me if you Can.

Thanks, Klaas. I don't read there, but you or someone who does read there may be able to spot similarities.

These posts from FlyMonkey defy logic on several points.

Does DeDe's lawyer know about these posts and the ones from Tom Jones at GLP? If he was mad at DeDe about the People Magazine interview, he should blow a gasket over the internet postings.

I had assumed he approved the People Magazine interview because it would be a way for DeDe to pay him.

Reading back over Flymonkeys posts, they make DeDe really sound like a rebellious teenager. "Us" against the big bad PoPo and the DA. The woman is now uh, 40 something?
Also she seems to love being the center of attention, explaining the smug look as she walked out of GJ. While a normal person would have been po'd with Jason for his tell-all, DeDe thinks it humanized her. Huh?? Does she think she's a celebrity? When she's out of the news, she tries to push herself in front of the bloggers with confidential chats with Tom and whomever, to be disseminated to an avide (she hopes) blogging public. She tries to keep LE interested in her with juvenile phone conversations. All hail DeDe Spicher, major celebrity of La-La Land!  :2notworthy:

Good luck Klaas.......they all sound the same.....drink the same kool-aid...ughhhh
 ::MonkeyTongue::

I saw Fly Monkey up in the rafters a little bitago but they skidaddled in a hurry. I don't understand the point of coming to SM to be a voice for Dede. If anyone has been reading here they should know that their aren't to maqny Dede and Terri supporters over here. Hidden agenda??

Hi Darla,  Is she local?  It seems there is an agenda at work and now I feel somewhat foolish, thinking there would be true answers to our questions.

Too bad as she had the field here carte blanche.  Living with Terri for 11 days you know DeDe knows one heck of allot IMO.  Hey, we can figure it out ourselves with the talent here.  xox

I think she may have been from the Terri support page. I don't know what the agenda was. This is as bad or worse than Haleigh's disappearance.

As far as I know she lives somewhere out there in Oregon, but who knows.

In the email she sent me, there is nothing to indicate that she lives in Oregon.  I'm not sure who she really is or where she lives. 

Are IP's not auto logged ? justa thought

Maybe just another BS'er that tends to come out from the woodwork for attention during high-profile cases. If FlyMonkey truly is a friend of DeDe's, then we now have more insight on DeDe's personality and character.
 ::monkeywine2::

IP's can be proxied.  But yes I see IP's in both the site here and also in the email she sent.  Like I said, there is nothing in the email that says to me Flymonkey lives in Oregon.

Is Flying Monkey telling us what Tom Jones had to say? You know, what he said but written in Fly Monkey's words?

If that's the case, it's not necessary, Fly Monkey, because all of Tom Jones' posts about his supposed conversation with DeDe to answer questions asked on GLP have been posted here. 

Eesh. I've been out of commission with Bronchitis and haven't been able to keep up to much. I am sort of catching up and see that I've really missed some stuff. I did go back and read FlyMonkey's posts. I'm calling BS. This person hasn't said anything that any of the rest of us couldn't have said. It's all either things that have already been put out there, is common sense (attorney being mad about DeDe's interview), or could be made up (TH has a mouse in the kitchen). I guess TH was so mortified about that mouse, they had to go out in the back yard to talk privately about it?

It's my opinion that if this person really knows DeDe, then the purpose of posting is for deflection.  ::MonkeyShovel::

I missed Rob too so I thought I'd bring him back through his own words that I happen to agree with.  Read the very end carefully...sound familiar?  Rob, if you happen to pop in unnoticed, we miss you and your thoughts!!!

It's a lengthy one, I apologize!

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9   Missing Persons - High Profile / Missing Persons - High Profile - Archives / Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #7  on: July 18, 2010, 02:31:13 AM 
Let me start by saying that I know that Klaas will disagree with this post or parts of it, and that's ok. I know her pretty well after fiver years. Some of you may also disagree. No worries, and I don't profess to have all the answers. Or any for that matter. Just strong suspicions.

I am highly suspicious of Kaine Horman. I know some of you may say, how can you say that? I have followed enough of these highly complicated cases to know what I am talking about. And this is in no way to let Terri Horman off the hook, so please don't interpret anything that is not there.

Most of the cases we follow are pretty cut and dry and every now and then there is the highly complicated case that takes months if not years to sort out. I pegged Casey in less than 2 weeks. Not to toot my own horn. No need for that. Lying takes time to sort out. The missing person has a very centered relationship with the person that has committed the disappearance / murder. Finding the body makes all the difference.

I don't even know if there are any statements from Kaine's parents - or I have missed them. I assume he has parents and I have not read every post ever posted on this case. I readily admit that. If I were the grandparent of a missing child I would be front and center for my child helping to find that child. I find this unusual. For the record I do not suspect Tony or Desiree. For the rest - this is where the answers lie.

I am sure that Kaine knows things he has not revealed. I am sure. Not eve to the police. I have read his words and the only reason he releases words only is so he can't be caught in a question that may arise and he is unprepared. Personally, I don't like reading words only, and it leaves out inflection and other key elements and he knows that. This is not how you plea and beg for the release of a child you believe to be alive. Therefore I know he knows things that he is not sharing that could lead to the release of his son of could reveal his possible role in knowledge he conceals. I am sure his knowledge is indepth and he thinks he is calculating enough to withhold that knowledge. I read all the post from all those married to engineers, and did you know I picked up something - they are calculating. I also noticed that very few woman choose this profession.

When Kaine says that things are not vital to finding Kyron - I focus on those question. Such as; how did you meet? Through friend - that's not important to finding Kyron. Oh really? the facts say differently because friends and family are often involved in crimes committed by a family member. This is just one item and there are other. I focus on what he doesn't want to talk about and has his patented answers - LE approved and sanctioned. Nothing he has said to date places him in a specific place or reveals a reason why he - Kaine - believes Kyron is alive. I smell some sort of sham. And it's hard to say this because I am a victims rights advocate. Something seems off here and I have not zero'd in on it yet - but I will eventually.

Some type of scheme went down here and I am sure. Exactly what type of scheme I am not sure yet, but I know a scheme occurred and one that took more knowledge than a housewife possessed.

I think there is a possibility that this could be all Terri and she threw Kyron off of a bridge on her way to Sauvie. I readily admit that. I also think that if Kaine was even awake one moment he was home - he KNEW his wife. You can't convince me he didn't KNOW her and her tendencies. Everything was fine until Kaine heard there was a murder for hire plot. He had her back. Then all of a sudden an escape hatch appeared. The diabolical are always attracted to each other. funny how Terri's famil gets the public enema and Kaine's family gets a free pass. And his family has a molester.

I don't think this case will end as anyone can imagine. And that just my opinion. My personal opinion, after following some of the more evil cases - will be - your shock to date will only be mild compared to what will happen when this is unraveled.

 
 

My-oh-my...the last paragraph sound very familiar with what LE said in their recent press release (interesting that Rob said them 2 months ago).

   I copied this  fromthe last thread...whatchu think?   This was my take on FlyMonkey...    ::MonkeyShocked::
Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #28 9/12/2010 -
« Reply #977 on: September 18, 2010, 07:56:45 PM »
   
Other Nana(hehe) I love those baby pics...the delight in his face is so obvious (the snow).

FlyMonkey, welcome...
but...reading your answers is like reading the things Tom is posting on GLP, almost verbatim in some of your answers.
I remain very skeptical as to your motives and your identity.IMO

Rob's quote:

I actually agree with this and always have.  I just don't happen to believe that it's anything about Kaine and Desiree that will shock me.  I think more something Terri did that will shock me. 

Klaas, I agree. Re what he said ...

"I also think that if Kaine was even awake one moment he was home - he KNEW his wife. You can't convince me he didn't KNOW her and her tendencies"

I went through major depression years ago...long story short?  My husband had no idea, I hid it so very well when he was in the house.
Too close to the forest to see the trees, among other things... ::MonkeyNoNo::

Don't forget that Terri probably had the usual up-and-down mood swings of pregnancy, so everything after that could be more of the same in Kaine's mind and generally avoided. Even if he knew she was going through PPD, he may have been told it would last about six months.

I question the PPD in that she was very active for a depressed person.

OK, well... tried to make it back earlier, but got interrupted.  I guess I owe you all an apology, since it apppears I have offended everyone.  It was not my intention to anger people, or to be flippant about a serious subject.

I am female, I am in Oregon, I do know DeDe, and I think she's been treated badly during this investigation, so that's why I'm here. I guess I thought that if I could offer some information up about her, she would become less mysterious and suspicious and people could focus on more important things.

I agree that it should be about Kyron and I want him to be found alive and well and as soon as possible.

Flymonkey,

Has DeDe told you who Terri thinks took Kyron?

Flymonkey,

What had DeDe told you that she and Terri talked about the school?

Has DeDe said what Terri thinks happened at the school?

Flymonkey,

Why did Terri's parents ask DeDe to stay with Terri.  I understand they asked a couple of people before DeDe, but the other's were married with family responsiblilites.  Why didn't Terri's parents stay with her themselves, as they're retired?

DeDe has never mentioned to me any theories that Terri  has shared with her about what happened to Kyron, or what happened at the school.  Sorry I don't have anything on this but will try to ask DeDe about it next time we talk.

Flymonkey,

Does DeDe anticipate being called in before the Grand Jury again?

Has DeDe said that LE has told her she's been "cleared" or does DeDe think that LE is still looking at her strongly?

Even though DeDe says she is innocent, does she have any concerns that LE thinks differently?

Thank you.  Answers to these questions would be appreciated.

They definitely didn't want Terri to be alone, but they could not stay in Portland indefinitely.  It was my understanding that they had to go back to Roseburg to make financial arrangements to try to come up with the retainer for Terri's attorney.

 ::HelloKitty::

There are other people that LE has looked at including a woman who went through a 6 hour poly.

Why, out of all of these people that must be involved, has Dede hired an attorney and refused to take a poly?

There are people in this case that are off the radar screen.

Why does Dede keep her face out there with even a Dede support page on FB?

Mike Cook  seems to be off the radar screen, for example.  Why does Dede put herself out there?

Thank you...makes sense, considering the timing.

Flyingmonkey, I appreciate your efforts, but DeDe is no mystery. While I understand you are speaking as a friend, that sort of cuts away at any objectivity doesn't it? You could be right and she could be nice but misguided, but based on just what you've written, she seems quite immature with some serious issues. Even if she's just gullible, a gullible person can cause just as much harm as the person manipulating her. What made me mistrust her in the first place--her affinity with Terri--hasn't changed has it? Anyway, I don't think we were really focusing on DeDe. IMO she's just a minor character in this tragic case. The main focus is on Kyron and also, for many, on Terri as the prime suspect.
I hope you don't feel that I'm attacking YOU in any way--I'm not. I just think TH is hinky as hell, and by association as her self-proclaimed friend, so too is DeDe, because it seems possible they may share similar characteristics.

Oops, sorry. I meant Flymonkey not Flyingmonkey. I was thinking of TH and thought of the wicked witch of the west, and .... you get the frame of thought!

When she was summoned to the GJ on 7/26, she was asked to return sometime in August, but was then notified that her appearance was canceled, and she hasn't been notified of any further summons.  LE has not told her that she has been cleared, and they continue to speak to people she knows.  Recently they have been contacting people that DeDe spoke to on the phone in the few days before and after June 4th.  So yes, she does think that LE is still looking at her.

DeDe didn't start the support page and would like to be out of the spotlight, but people seem to feel that saying nothing just makes her look more guilty.  She got an attorney because she felt that she was being treated like a suspect.  She chose not to take a polygraph because they are unreliable.

hey flymonkey this is scandi's post from the last thread, could you answer these, thanks.

« Reply #978 on: September 18, 2010, 07:56:53 PM » 

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Hi Flymonkey and WELCOME to the Cage.  I have a few questions:

1}   With the advent of the Sheriff's presser yesterday where he stated "'We have uncovered some surprising details into Kyron's case. Things that will surprise you and that you'll think about later on. Learning these things has caused great stress on the investigators. We have knowledge of things we don't want to know about ~ that we wish we didn't', it makes me wonder if Kyron's family and their friends are on edge and maybe waiting for the shoe to drop!

I know this is about DeDe, but she has been thrown into the mix being an active friend of Terri's.

Can you ask DeDe if she has any thoughts on this matter and what the Sheriff could be referring to?  I don't need names or what activities as she shouldn't probably answer that.  But just if she is aware of any off the wall activity with this group of people that would cause stress to the investigators and almost bring the Sheriff to tears talking about it.  She must have heard something IMO.

2}   Does DeDe know the landscaper who was involved with Terri and did the sting?

3}   Does DeDe know the man arrested by WCSO who was sent to Sheridan and as word now has it is back in NY facing charges of a serious nature involving a child who was victimized? 

4}   Was DeDe in communication with Terri before Kyron went missing?  I know they were friends for at least a year before that.

5}   Is DeDe aware of any criminal activity that could be occurring in the area of Newberry Rd?

and

6}   Desiree made a statement that bothers me saying something close to this:  "Kyron saw everything - he was there".  I assume Kyron had told his mom some things about living in the Horman home.  Could you ask DeDe what she makes of that statement.



Thanks, and no rush.  I'm hoping you can talk to DeDe before responding.  And I hope she will give you sincere answers.

Just a simple question...Have the police knocked on your door yet?

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Thank you.

I think I might have made that mistake, too.   ::MonkeyTongue::

Hey Scatty...  as I said earlier, I am her friend and I am aware that some will see only bias in my comments. There is not much I can do about that. 

DeDe has gone through many difficult times and done some gutsy things.  She is definitely (IMO) not immature.  Re: gullibility, I can tell you that DeDe believes, philosophically, in seeing the best in people.  I think she is optimistic and she wants to live a positive life.

If Terri is lying to her, then I guess Terri's going to have to answer for that, and possibly other bad acts, someday.  It will make me sad if it turns out DeDe has been completely fooled in this situation, but I won't condemn her for supporting her friend and believing her when she has no hard evidence that she should not.

Flymonkey,

What has DeDe said about the Terri/Landscaper/LE sting?

 ::HelloKitty::

The Dede support page has Dede on it.

You said that she wants to be out of the spotlight, but some people have convinced her that she should not be out of the spotlight.

Why does she take other people's advice ?  Wouldn't it be better if she faded into the woodwork like others have?

Why point the spotlight on her?  Could it be possible that she is becoming a distraction in this case for Terri, for example?

 ::HelloKitty::

Thanks for the picture Brandi.  He's counting on everyone to bring him home.  Love out to him! 

Flymonkey,

What has DeDe said about Terri not passing her polygraph(s) and/or walking out on a polygraph?

It's all about Kyron.

 ::MonkeyAngel::

sackyattack:  I can answer #2 and #4 right now, but the rest will have to wait!

2.  DeDe does not know the landscaper.  DeDe told me that Terri gave the police his information early in the investigation when they asked her for the names of anyone who had been on the property recently.  I have read that he went to the police himself and told them about the MFH story, but I do not think that is correct... can't be entirely sure, though, I guess.

4.  Between Terri's birthday party (March) and June 5th, they had no contact at all.  On June 5th DeDe sent Terri a text message that she had heard about Kyron and her thoughts and prayers were with Terri and Kaine.  DeDe believes that looking for SOME contact between the two of them during that period is really driving LE crazy -- but it just doesn't exist.

Oh, and in response to an earlier question from someone:  DeDe purchased her cell phone on either June 30th or July 1st, but I am not aware of any pre-paid phones being purchased by anyone involved prior to Kyron's disappearance.

And Darla!  I have talked to the police, but I didn't have anything useful to say. 

FlyMonkey,

Do you know what was in the room that DeDe would not let LE search in her condo?  TIA

I also wonder if you realized when you stepped into the cage it was gonna be a monkey-free-for-all? 

Us monkeys are a great bunch - but rarely miss when throwing banana to the side of the head.

Gosh, that didn't sound very nice.....I meant its a suspicious (and rightly so) bunch of monkeys

Flymonkey,

FYI - I believe the landscaper was found by LE upon search Terri's phone records.

FlyMonkey,

It sounds as if  TH discussed the LS  with her.  If so, has she mentioned what TH's side of the story was - Was he harassing her sexually, if that was the case was this one of the reasons TH was afraid to be alone?

Hi Spodie,  don't know about a room that wasn't searched.  I thought they searched the whole place -- where did you hear that?


I'm sorry monkeys -- it is past my bedtime (and I may have a concussion from an under-ripe banana).  I will hope to talk to you all tomorrow!

Here’s something interesting from Blink’s site:

http://blinkoncrime.com/2010/09/09/kyron-horman-missing-case-review-and-birthday-wishes-to-the-frog-prince/#comments

16.evie says:
September 18, 2010 at 8:27 pm
@ Rich.. so, you and I have been doing some of the same sort of random searching (thanks for your links!) today. Sometimes I just let my mind wander a bit and see what it turns up.
Oh! I thought you’d like to know that Jaime’s phone does get answered sometimes. He was in a room full of children.
@ Everyone: That leads group is really just what it says. Looking them up, I believe I was recruited to that exact group at one point. They aren’t my cup o’ tea, although I know and know of several of the members in this group. Who Jaime may have been acquainted with to get invited, I have no idea.
So, back to my wanderings. I’ll try to keep it brief. I haven’t gone so far as to make a direct connection to this case, but the multi-agency thing, the DEA, FBI, and all of a sudden Canby/Oregon City etc coming into it, it almost seems worth contact Max Bernstein at the Oregonian and asking her if SHE thinks there is a connection.
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Canby steroid supplier’s cooperation with FBI spreads investigation to other law enforcement agencies, including Portland
Published: Monday, May 03, 2010, 9:20 PM
http://www.oregonlive.com/clackamascounty/index.ssf/2010/05/canby_steroid_suppliers_cooper.html
This story was *huge* and I don’t recall one thing about it.. probably because it was ‘down there’ and not here in town where I live. And who really cares about meth-jacked steroid freaks unless they’re breaking into your car, anyway. Weird thing is, this guy was a .. wait for it.. competitive body builder! And oops, he was supplying half the cops/firemen/etc and a high school coach in Clackamas County. oops. There is one document in this case that goes back to 2002; an order for HGH written on the Canby Police letterhead.
Oh wait, did I mention what legitimate trade our supplier is in? C’mon, you know it’s… landscaping! (supply side, and it’s his dad’s business, but still)
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A federal inquiry into steroid abuse by a Canby officer and a cover-up by his chief has stretched to other law enforcement agencies, thanks to the cooperation of man who supplied the steroids:
Canby resident William J. Traverso, who has admitted to selling steroids to other officers in the Portland area.
Traverso, one of the central figures in the Canby steroid abuse inquiry that put former Officer Jason Deason in jail and spurred Chief Greg Kroeplin’s resignation, sought a lenient sentence Monday because he’s been helping the FBI.
The federal investigation already has prompted the resignation of four law enforcement officers who also have lost their police certification — Deason, Kroeplin, Washington County narcotics
dog handler Jared Gochenour and West Linn Officer Jess Riley.
Riley, who formerly worked as a Milwaukie officer, resigned from West Linn on April 9.
The federal inquiry also has led to the questioning of Portland Sgt. Charles Brown, who lives in Canby and whose late father was a retired Canby school superintendent. Portland police have been ordered not to talk about the federal investigation involving Brown.
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Also of note: “Traverso’s attorney John Henry Hingson III…”
Google some to make your own call on that, but he’s probably the 2nd most notorious lawyer in town, after Houze.
I have links to the other stories, but you can find most of what you want on oregonlive.com. I had to look up Traverson’s FB for fun; this is what he’s got posted on his profile: “Anybody want to meet an FBI Special Agent? I can arrange an introduction! Does anyone know how to
write a book?”  LOL, so there’s a new client for me, bonus!




21.beejay says:
September 18, 2010 at 11:29 pm
@evie: very interesting about the steroids and LE use.
Just ran across this:
FBI employees arrested for lying about steroid use
Don Hooton – Wednesday, September 15, 2010
(Reuters) – Three FBI special agents and one FBI intelligence analyst were arrested on Wednesday on charges that they concealed their use of performance-enhancing drugs, including steroids and human growth hormones.


29.puzzled says:
September 19, 2010 at 12:04 am
@evie … Your entire post is HUGE information.
**Canby steroid supplier’s cooperation with FBI spreads investigation to other law enforcement agencies, including PortlandPublished: Monday, May 03, 2010, 9:20 PM**
This could be what LE is meaning when they say they’ve learned things they wish they hadn’t.and we’ve been obsessed for nearly a week with illegal Mexican cartel.

 :2ukli:
Good Evening Monkeys, and our newest Monkey ' Fly"
I am only going to stay to post this .. I am tired.
Flymonkey if you can clarify what you mean by Kyron's episodes ( you mentioned) his not yet but almost " unconscious states" seizures ( that would render him at risk for a person to take advantage of him) 

And if he was having them in " March" or earlier ..as you have just said that Dede And Terri have not had any connections with each other.. From March until June 5th.

That it was June 5th after Kyron was missing that they spoke. " DS and TH " texting or had found each other on June 5th, no communication though since Terri's birthday

It confuses me that Dede would be concerned of Kyron's health issues in March or previous months .. and How it would have any ties to him " on June 4th"
Maybe you can offer more info so it is explained. I know you can only offer what you have been told..

Thank you,
I do so appreciate your reply

quote: Fly Monkey
I hope this won't be too disappointing, but she really doesn't have any idea.   
The only theory she ever speculated on to me was that Kyron had been having some sort of "mini-seizure"  episodes, where he was pretty out of it, although not entirely unconscious.  She thought it was possible that if he was in that state and encountered someone who would be interested in taking advantage of him, he would not have been "with it" enough to know better or to resist.  It is very sad that he has been missing so long.  I think it is very unfortunate that so much valuable time has been wasted that could have been spent looking for him when the trail was fresher.

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Good Nightly Night All
God Bless Kyron  ::MonkeyAngel::

Flymonkey

Wondering if Dede introduced Jason Name Redacted to Terri?

Also, was Dede aware that perhaps Jason changed the spelling of his last name? Did Dede meet any of Jason's family?

And thanks for opening yourself to questions.

If LE had a search warrent ( and they did ) , they could search wherever the warrant said they could.
I am very confused about DeDe. I know that she was raked over the coals in the comments section of the Portland and Oregon newspapers, just like everone else Terri is / was associated with. Alot of very unkind things were said. She did that article for People Magazine and she gave her viewpoint. Shouldn't she just fade away now ? Until LE makes an arrest, this all seems like a PR campaign or a way of Dede communicating with Terri thru the blogs. Or both. Letting Terri know what she said etc so they can both get on the same page.
That is all my opinion at the moment. 

and we’ve been obsessed for nearly a week with illegal Mexican cartel.


Puzzler, this would be BIG. Where do we fit Kyron in this mess? Payment for?  Gosh I don't know.....sigh

I'm not sure Kyron fits in other than my thought (probably should have stated it better) was that this could be part of what LE seemed to down about during their last presser.  Maybe their investigation for Kyron led them into areas they didn't expect to go.  Also, maybe a connection of checking into Terri's bodybuilding days and whether any "personality" changes with Terri.

7227...Welcome to the cage!

 ::MonkeyCool::

That was my thought about the Tom Jones posts at GLP, now we are getting the same or similar here. Who would be the "target audience" of the posts? Why choose GLP and/or SM for the posts? Is the purpose of the posts to communicate what DeDe has said to LE to someone or several people?

Something is hinky somewhere.

 ::HelloKitty::

Kat gram and Grey-very interesting idea indeed

Deenie, I read that stuff about Kyron's health issues and read it as something that Terri came out with after June 4. She could have discussed or told this to DeDe after June 4th also.
Odd that Kaine / Dsiree seeemd to be in the dark on that one as if someone suspected mini seizures, wouldn't that warrant a trip PDQ to a doctor or an emergency room ?
..
Also, sometimes kids who are under alot of stress ( or being abused ) disassociate and seemingly zone out.
James went away, Kyron and James had been together for years, it sounds as of there was plenty of fighting in the house as they had been considering a divorce. We did hear that they didn't fight in front of James, but kids pick up on the emotions afterwards.   

Puzzler
Thanks for the welcome.
 I have lurked a lot over 5 years.
Have especially found your posts thought provoking with Kyron. Keep the thinking cap on as you wear it well!

TY for not thinking I was being delusional. I just don't know why all this coming from DeDe in this indirect way. DeDe isn't directly communicating with Terri, but she is or anyone else for that matter.

Quite a brilliant thought Kat_ Gram!

http://blinkoncrime.com/2010/09/09/kyron-horman-missing-case-review-and-birthday-wishes-to-the-frog-prince/


REALLY?? BTW, Offcr. Riley was said to have been hired by West Linn PD in July 2008. And to have previously worked for 12 years for Milwaukie Police Department. (Where do I know Milwaukie from? Oh–not related; just the principal address for RS Landscape Maintenance, on S. Renada St., Milwaukie

that last post was from blink too. i was wondering why rs keeps coming up in all this, and why th and dede(through her friend) are pointing the finger at him. i was wondering if they are trying to maybe cut a deal with le by turning on him. or make it look like it was all his fault. or all kaines fault. anyones but th. does anyone know if dede's cousin was implicating the ls also?

Anybody know what Blink's talking about here?

http://blinkoncrime.com/2010/09/09/kyron-horman-missing-case-review-and-birthday-wishes-to-the-frog-prince/#comments

StormB says:
September 19, 2010 at 12:52 am
>I emphatically disagree that Terry took Kyron out of Skyline. If >there were a scintilla of evidence he left with her she would have >been charged with something.
>B

Indeed, if there were any EVIDENCE as to who took Kyron from school, the case would be solved. Absence such evidence, an examination of who could’ve taken him out may point ONLY to Terry. Who elso could’ve gotten Kyron out of school, or more likely got him to leave of his free will and w/o any disturbance?? not the landscaper or the landscaper’s buddy.

I respectfully disagree.
There is evidence of Kyron’s suspected departure from the school, it just has not been shared publicly.

Pay specific attention to Capt Gates from the Aug 12 press conf-

B

Wyks,

   Thanks for the recommended reading...

I think this is the presser B is refering to on August 12,2010:

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/08/live_video_watch_the_kyron_hor_1.html

I'm too tired.  My desk isnt' too comfortable!!

Goodnight Monkeys!!

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7227 and FlyMonkey~

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NOW, I'll sleep better!   ::MonkeyWink::

Goodnight All!

Morning...yes, very familiar.

Great points Katgram!
Very possible this is Dede's way of reinforcing her movements of June 4th
and letting Terri know she is maintaining her loyalty to her.

I wonder what Dede's lawyer would think about this, since Dede is well aware that her friend Flymonkey is communicating with us. 

I can understand that her refusal to take a polygraph would be concerning to LE.   
Had she lawyered up, when asked to take a polygrah?  Tia.

I've been following along here, reading and reading and reading.  I have a question regarding the GJ and DeDe.

If LE suddenly found some kind of evidence regarding DeDe's knowledge or involvement in some way in Kyron's disappearance.  Would they suddenly decide to not question her in front of the GJ so she wouldn't be allowed to take the 5th? 

Does it seem strange to anyone else that she was called, not questioned and then no further requests for her to appear.  I just think they would have so many questions for her regarding the time she stayed at the house with TH. ::MonkeyEek::

Very interesting listening to that presser again where they gave out a call for witnesses to come forward with what they had seen and make sure their witnessing was not done by suggestion of some sort like watching the news on TV.

The first thing they asked for was any witness who had seen the Horman truck parked in either of the two areas on the access road and witnessed someone either in the truck or in the immediate area of the truck.  Photos of the 2 Freddies stores were also shown. 

Then at the end of the presser, the prosecutor said he would answer one more question, and he said a witness/witnesses has come forward and said they saw this and now they want another witness who saw the same thing.    I think this is HUGE.  One of the very first things we learned in the case was that Kyron was seen outsid the south door like he was waiting.  I'm wondering now if LE has a witness placing KIyron outside and in the area of the Horman truck between 8:15 and 8:45.  I need to double check that time.  He said one time and then changed it.

I'm really tired and haven't slept yet tonight. But I would like to have someone else listen and see if they come up with what I heard.  My words aren't exact as I didn't take notes.


Now my brain is caught on a thought about the man who was riding the lawnmower.  He put himself right at that spot on the access road at the time when Terri would have had her car parked there as I read it.  To me that means he had OPPORTUNITY, right?  Then he changed his story re the time he was there, widening it out a bit up to 9am I believe.

At the very first part of the presser I got the feeling the person that was seen either in or in the area of the truck could have been Kyron.  We have also learned in a comment on the God site that Terri was seen hiding in a doorway at the school.

Well, maybe some brilliant mind here can put this together so it isn't speculation but logical based on the info given in the presser.


This might have been HUGE points of info they put out on the 12th because whoever might have been seen by or in the truck would have had the opportunity to take Kyron.  Someone has already given them that witness account and they need another witness of the same thing to evidently make it a viable clue as to what was going on at that time.   IMO

Here is a map of that area:  http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&expIds=17259,26514,26549&sugexp=ldymls&xhr=t&q=Newberry+rd+map+portland+or&cp=8&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hq=&hnear=NW+Newberry+Rd,+Portland,+OR+97231&gl=us&ei=1QuWTIGCJIjSsAPH7KTACg&sa=X&oi=geocode_result&ct=image&resnum=1&sqi=2&ved=0CBoQ8gEwAA (http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&expIds=17259,26514,26549&sugexp=ldymls&xhr=t&q=Newberry+rd+map+portland+or&cp=8&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hq=&hnear=NW+Newberry+Rd,+Portland,+OR+97231&gl=us&ei=1QuWTIGCJIjSsAPH7KTACg&sa=X&oi=geocode_result&ct=image&resnum=1&sqi=2&ved=0CBoQ8gEwAA)

*  Springville Rd runs east to west and intersects Skyline Rd.
*  Skyline Rd runs south to north, and a ways up from leaving Springville, traveling north on Skyline ,both Germantown Rd and Old Germantown Rds come in from the west and join Skyline.
*  Going up Skyline and getting closer to the school one comes to Newberry Rd which takes of Skyline and runs east going down the hill where it meets Hwy 30
*  Drive another 5 min from Newberry Rd on Skyline and you come to the school on the right and the church on the left.

Thats a great point lazydog and it makes sense to me.
It has always seemed strange to me that she went to the GJ and was not questioned. 
 

Thanks Scandi.  Blink alludes to the importance of this presser, and I trust her.
Sorry, I'm not the brilliant mind, but I did listen to the presser earlier this morning and pretty much heard what you did, despite the buffering.

Let's hope it jogged someone's memory and someone has come forward.
Often I think the public makes a decision that something they saw was insignificant and hopefully this prompt has brought other witnesses forward.

Good Sunday morning all! I am still reading all of the posts, but had to agree on this one. Sure we all have skeletons in our closet, but I think Kaine's and Deiree's skeletons will not be as shocking as Terri's. Regardless of skeletons if this was my child, and I have said it before, so sorry to sound redundant, but I would walk the streets naked if it would help bring my child home, I would bare my soul for all to scrutinize, and would suffer the consequences of the media and all of the bloggers for the sake of my child because that is all that matters in the end! I would suffer a disease rather than my child suffering one if the choice was given. That is what a parent does for a child. So I am saying to the Terri supporters, what would you do if this were your child? Would you lie, and change your stories? Buy bat phones, snicker at Le, sex text another man and I don't want to hear about that was shock and her way of dealing with this.  Where is this beautiful little boy?  Why isn't Terri screaming from the rooftops re: her innocence, hiring a PI to find Kyron, and fighting the unjustice of her little girl being ripped away from her?  Answer those questions about Terri, also not to sound harsh Flymonkey, but what would you answer to those questions?

 ::MonkeyBike:: oops forgot to welcome the two new monkeys to the cage! Hi and welcome Fly Monkey and I believe 7227 monkey

I have been following Tom Jones posts going back and reading what he has said. 

Now we have Flymonkey over here supposedly close friend and confidante of Dede.

Here is the one thing I have noticed that jumps out big to me in this. 

Hi I am Tom Jones and Dede is my cousin.

Then we have no real name so no real connection. Hi I am Flymonkey and a close friend of Dede's.

This individual seems to be repeating almost verbatim what Tom Jones has posted in the past at Godlike Productions.  I also agree, to speak on the bat phone and laugh and giggle about anything involving LE and our missing Frogman is reprehensible in every sense of the word.

Sorry just not buying it.  I would need way more to convince me this person even truly knows Dede on a personal level.  Gees! Even her own cousin has at times wondered how deeply she was involved in this with TH.

Also I've read where Dede didn't start or ask for the Support Page on FB however; if you go to it you will see that she left a comment on it.  Seriously! I believe she is loving the attention.

All of this is JMO and my Speculations. 

Now if someone can just bring our little Frogman home that would be wonderful!  ::piggy:: ::piggy::

I would open my home, my life, and my families life. I would give names of everyone I have known, met or had any contact with freely.  I would hide nothing in the hopes it would help to find my lost child. I would drop to my knees and pray daily my child was safe and unharmed and would come home. To this day even though she is an Adult I would do the same.

I will never understand how TH can have supporters given how she has acted during this case.
I then have to question the mentality of those who support her and their moral fiber. 

May God have mercy on their souls for they will need it.

Flymonkey:

Why did you and DeDe decide to come to this forum (SM) to answer questions for DeDe?
Why not GLP, Blinks, WS, etc?  There's many forums out there that talk about Kyron.

This IS about KYRON and "NOT" about DeDe right?

Where's Kyron?

Maybe GJ realized they were up against a brick wall--namely DoDo DeDe. She wasn't going to say anything that might harm Terri and possibly herself if she was involved.

Welcome to all the new Monkeys!   ::HelloKitty::

Flymonkey, I have only one question.  Are you DeDe Spicher?

I'm not sure of the details, but Desiree in one of her last interviews with Kaine, let slip (I'm pretty sure it was a slip) that Kyron was seen outside by the truck. I'm assuming this was after he'd been seen inside, as that's the only way it would be significant.

Hi and welcome 4myjoey!!

Welcome to all the new monkeys.

My problem with DeDe and Terri is that they brought this upon themselves..the scrutiny and the press and LE.

If they were innocent and had nothing to hide they would have told all to LE.  Had they told all to LE they would not have been on anyone's radar..particularily the presses.

LE has been careful not to release the names of anyone involved...those names we know are because they didn't fully cooperate, they played games with the press, their friends and family.   If DeDe doesn't want the attention, why is having a cousin and a friend both speak for her on the internet, why do the People article? 

This just adds more confusion rather then adding facts.

Flymonkey....Why did DeDe continue to stay with Terri once Terri started sexting with MC?  Personally, I would have left at that moment and said you don't need me here. Was sexting a common thing to do in DeDe and Terri's circle of friends?

Also, wasn't LE still having Terri under survaillance at this time DeDe was there?  Did DeDe think she could do a better job protecting Terri from the bogeyman then LE?

Also..isn't it possible that DeDe never left the farm property, but that Terri came to her, there at the farm?   

Flymonkey:

Which one are you over at the Terri Horman support page?

Which one are you over at the DeDe Spicher support page?

Where's Kyron?

I guess that I will never understand following so many cases why people inject themselves and play games, would love to know what kind of pleasure is gotten from this? Are their lives so miserable that they need to do this to make themselves feel better? And it seems to get worse and worse with crackpots  ::MonkeyNoNo::

There's a DoDo Spicher support page????? ::MonkeyConfused:: Who does DS think she is, some kind of modern day martyr, suffering for her holiness Terri Mouton? She really, really needs to get over herself.

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Dede-Spicher-Support-Page/161167263893656?ref=ts

Too funny!  Welcome! 

You know looking at her support page...she did just post herself 17 hours ago.  So maybe a library was open?  Since according to Ms Flymonkey that is how she gets on the internet now days.   lol.

What is wrong with these people? (TH,DS, Supporters) They are sick.  JMO.

Hmmmm ... another reason came to mind for the Tom Jones posts at GLP and the FlyMonkey posts here for DeDe, though I like the reason about getting her story to someone or a group of people.

Could it be the posts are to determine the weak spots in the story? There certainly are plenty, and the monkeys are good at ferreting them out. Did the other posters at GLP point out weak spots in the story?

FlyMonkey may truly be just a friend of DeDe's who is trying to improve DeDe's image, but some things are illogical. Kyron is definitely not a priority.

You're welcome Koko!   ::dogwag::

Grey - last sentence sad but true.  I just read some comments on DSSP about how heartbroken Kyron whould be knowing TH'S friend DS is being treated so horribly.

I'd like to beat the crap out of this person.  How dare them worry about TH/DS when it is Kyron who is missing and lost.  They are not away from their homes and missing.... Kyron is!  And I don't give two figs what is said about any of the adults.  Ahhhhhhh time for coffee before I crack my netbook with what I really want to say.

Bottom line: DoDo reeks of being a publicity hound. She adores the attention, ANY attention.
And she will do whatever and use whomever it takes to try and keep herself front and center in the spotlight. Earth to DoDo: your 15 minutes is over!

Who are the smartest on the web?  The Monkeys.  So Grey, I think that nails it.

I have some questions for Fly.

1.  Why didn't Terri just go home to her parents if it was so frightening at "her" house?

2.  Why didn't TH go to Dede's to stay?

3.  Why didn't TH go and stay at the home of one of her friends?

4.  Does TH really have any friends?  If KH had to call or email Dede to do the 40 th (we have now heard both-call and email), and Dede hardly had anything to do with Terri, why didn't Kaine call one of Terri's many other friends?

I'm just finding it interesting that Dede supposedly told her cuz Tom that she was done with answering questions over at GLP.  And then... here comes a friend of hers to SM, who will answer questions for her.   Just curious, are they forum-hopping, perhaps trying for a different audience?   If so, do they not realize some monkeys tend to read everywhere and discuss things here?   ::MonkeyCool::

 

I've read (somewhere.. oh lordy), that a friend of Terri's, named Liz (?) was the one who supposedly did her big birthday bash.  Have we heard much about or from this person?  And does she have red hair?   ::MonkeyHaHa::

I agree Wyks and clearly any fool on the internet can see that some other sites have been inundated w/new members this week that are very pro TH....gee wonder where they came from?!

I think recently in one of our cases the trial was moved after the defense attorney proved that the jury pool was tainted in there area with some excerpts from forums online...I'll keep that in mind as we watch madness unfold here with people who could careless about a missing boy named Kyron because they care more about someone who has holes in their timeline and failed LDT's. 

Scatty did you get your response over there?  ha ha! 

Flymonkey's comment:
 Missing Persons - High Profile / Kyron Horman - Portland Oregon / Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #28 9/12/2010 -       on: September 18, 2010, 08:14:06 PM

More answers:  DeDe presented to the GJ but was not asked any questions.  She has not been given any other opportunities to testify under oath so far.  She has (prior to being accused of being uncooperative) met with the police at lease three times for at least three or more hours each time.  She answered every question the police asked her (several times).

She doesn't believe everything Terri has told her, but she has not seen or heard anything that makes her believe that Terri had anything to do with Kyron's disappearance.  She does not have absolute KNOWLEDGE of Terri's innocence, just a belief based on what she has seen and heard.

I'm here talking because I know DeDe well and have spoken to her throughout this whole ordeal.  Tom has not.  He has come to realize that she was not involved and I'm glad he is arguing on her side now, but I guess one more advocate can't hurt, right?

My agenda is to speak the truth about DeDe as I know it. If you all come to a consensus that you don't want to hear from me anymore, you can just let me know and I will try to find another forum. I have liked the level of analysis and critical thinking I have seen on here, so that is why I applied to this forum.



This might answer your question about forum-hopping, Wyks.......

Since the 'big 4-0' is supposed to be such a special birthday, and a favorite one for friends to make a fuss over.......... I'm with the other monkeys who have wondered why Kaine would supposedly need to contact any of her friends to do something for her birthday. 

(Wild horses couldn't keep me away from my best friends 40th.  Hehe.  I filled her car with balloons and put a huge banner out over a freeway exit in downtown Sacramento, announcing how old she was that day.   ::MonkeyDevil::  ) 


My point is that most folks wouldn't need a husband reminding them, they'd likely be saying to him, 'hush and git out of our way!'  lolol   ::piggy::


The other thing some of us have been wondering about, is the lack of contact between Terri and Dede after the birthday.  No contact from the birthday in March until June?  Am curious as to why.  I understand how that can happen from time to time, but right after her birthday is kind of odd to me.  Did one of them get mad about something at the birthday party? 

And of course, none of this has anything to do with finding Kyron and bringing him home.  Guess it's 'filler stuff' to do while we wait impatiently for justice to be brought on his behalf.  Sigh. 

Very good questions, hellokitty. Rather than leave the "bugged" house where they feared for their safety, they stayed and got bat phones. Drama queens.

Cut the drama and tell us where to find Kyron.

Or did they already have other bat phones in use?

My answer would be: Yup!

The "sudden" appearance of multiple bat phones is odd, so I can easily believe there were previous bat phones.

Another reason for the sudden appearance of multiple bat phones is that there are a bunch of immature idiots who think playing games is clever while a child is missing.

 ::HelloKitty::

Just goes to show how much they cared about Kyron, doesn't it.  Just like with JW, a person cannot hide his/her true self.

They are who they are and it comes out loud and clear eventually.

 ::HelloKitty::

I'm thinking that TH really doesn't have any friends.  Maybe people she knows, but everyone has gotten that uncomfortable feeling from her and kept an arm's distance.

I mean not after Kyron gone missing, but before.  that's probably why she contacted Desiree many times a day.  Desi listened to her crap because she felt she had too.  TH really had no one else to communicate with.

Even the gym workers said that she kept to herself pretty much except for compalining about KH to anyone who would listen.

I bet that the people didn't really enjoy that.

Thanks FCL and seeme!   ::MonkeyAngel::

It's a sad day in he77 when discussions on forums/blogs etc etc across the net can affect a case in court.  The irony of moving a jury trial to an area that hasn't discussed a high-profile case online yet.  Where is that gonna be, timbuktoo?  And yet, there are plenty of folks in every town across the nation and beyond who never watch the news programs, never go into these forums/blogs and etc.  Betcha I could go outside right now and in our tiny village of 20-something farmers, find at least 5 who have never heard of Casey Anthony, for example.   Or realize that there is a sweet lil frog expert in Oregon that is missing. 

IMO, the discussions in forums/blogs etc etc of high-profile cases, are simply being used by the defense as excuses for moving the case somewhere other than where they want them to be.  That a judge would allow this to be used as an excuse is mindboggling.  IMO.  And again, IMO, defense attorneys need to get off the 'net and spend their time working the case for their client, and not so much time worrying over what folks online are saying about em. 


Especially the Bozo in Caylee's case.    ::MonkeyTongue::  ::MonkeyJnBox::


Now where was I going with this?   ::MonkeyEek::  Oh yeah!!  lol..   Seems like if the friends/family of one of the players in a case found out that being in one forum didn't give them what they needed/wanted... for being there in the first place.. that they'd just give it up.  Cuz running to another forum, especially OUR forum, is just gonna give them more of the same, or worse, cuz we will throw rotten bananas when needed. 

Heh. 

 ::HelloKitty::

If they are looking to plug up holes in their stories, I suggest a personality transplant quick because they can't hide what they are.

Kind of reminds me of a bunch of Jr. Higher's with walkie-talkies, hiding behind trees.. using their real names.. and LE listening in on their frequency.   ::MonkeyHaHa::

I feel your pain, this is exactly why I had to log out last night.

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Between MFH & sexting.... the least of TH's character flaws we know about to date she had a need for bat phones.  Also don't forget taking the phone out to the car for private conversations as well per her(I think).

 
Could it be the MFH plot was the start of batphones & plans?
Could it all have been extra marital fun/business?
Could it have been drug dealings or some kind of work to make extra cash since Kaine was so stingy with the household budget?

TH was up to something no doubt about it.  JMO

Another thought on this case;

Things we wish we didn't know? 

To me this may mean unnecessary to Kyron missing?  Means maybe more motives than needed?  IDK.

...and does anyone really want to hear from this person?

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Things that make me go HHHMMMM.....once again here we are, being led away from the actual story by "fringe elements".  Makes me feel more than ever, with all that we have heard combined, that there is a sinister, evil, "thing" going on here.  Terri has some associates that are bad news and some how, some way she is responsible or handed this little man off to someone with evil intent.  If you take a look back there are too many things that have been set up to be coincidence..even as far back as the picture of Kitty with Kyron's classroom, where he "wandered off".  I call BS TERRI HORMAN!!!!  No wandering, no episodes, no doctor appointment....NADA.  This was something that was planned and set up and put into play and others are involved and helped and that is that.  I agree that these people who keep popping up have some reason to keep doing so...there are people who want us to focus on others and not on what happened.  How many people are directly or indirectly to what happened, how deeply are people involved, how far does it go that there is such an effort to redirect everyone's attention??????????? 

I'm telling ya's.. the more I read about in these cases.. the less I like people and want to go live on an uninhabited island somewhere.  And the more I like my dog.   ::dogwag::

Snort.. giggle!  True!!  I'm just itching to dig dig dig for info on something, anyone.   ::MonkeyShovel::

Thank you for a much needed laugh!

Point is, if they showed up here or any other forum, they'd just be spewing crap that Terri has told them.

And I don't think any of us believe what Terri says.

*sigh*

I've always preferred animals to human beings. These cases just get more and more nauseating with more and more fools crawling out of the woodwork, I'm so use to it. What I would like to know is why?

Good points, akmom.  In Caylee's case, we eventually learned that anything happening from the Anthony camp was meant to sidetrack from the case, even a well-placed 'doc dump'.  To go back to what we were doing/discussing before being interrupted with the distraction. 

Sooooooooo... what were we looking at, discussing, digging for, in this case... before this latest distraction came along?  School employees for one thing..

i was looking at news stuff and found this from the aug. 18 story in katu

http://www.katu.com/news/local/101040699.html

DeDe Spicher insisted in a People magazine interview she remained at work that day, which is an assertion criminal defense attorney, Lisa Ludwig, said is possibly strategic. She said Spicher may be testifying, in a sense, to the public about her own innocence.

i think you are right, but also:
August 18
http://www.katu.com/news/local/101040699.html
Story Published: Aug 18, 2010 at 7:20 PM PDT

They also want to know if a third person is tied to Kyron’s disappearance.
Investigators have witnesses who saw an adult in and around the truck in front of Skyline School between 8:15 and 8:45 that morning.
Investigators aren’t identifying the gender of the person in the truck but have reason to believe the person may not be Spicher

What really bothers me is all the time wasted by the police in dealing with all these wackos, they must get very frustrated and angry over these type of people that inject themselves like this. The worst that I've seen is Joy Wray  ::MonkeyNoNo::

BINGO!!!

Terri lies......then we get hearsay lies, double hearsay lies, heck, we're up to triple hearsay lies...........stop the madness before my head explodes!! ::MonkeyHaHa::

Good Afternoon Monkeys and guest!
Well I think we have bat phone number three located...and I call bs on dede buying hers on June 30 or July 1.

Scandi...I don't think I have missed any of the news articles and pressers, where did you see that Kyron was seen outside the door and appeared to be waiting? Not contradicting you, just have not seen that anywhere. I have believed all along that he was taken out that door.

BBM

 ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyGavel::

Hi Darla, I don't remember reading that either.

Has anyone brought up the possibility that Terri owed a drug dealer big-time? There has been nothing to suggest that she was on drugs, but she did have a problem with alcohol which she managed to hide from Kaine, so drug usage is a possibility. This is just one of my stray thoughts.

I actually think Terri had a reason to get rid of Kyron. It may have been forever or just temporarily, but it was Terri's reason alone. Having LE focus on her so quickly was not part of the plan. LE has reasons to focus on Terri, but they aren't saying what yet.

Of course, there are other possibilities, but Terri is in the center.

I hear ya Rosie!  Seems like when a case comes along where we think things just couldn't possibly get worse, a few more cases pop up worse than ever.  Makes me wonder what the heck this world is coming to?  Dunno if we'll ever understand how evil.. evil can be.  So in that respect, dunno that we'll ever understand why things can happen as they do.  Am glad tho that we're all here to support each other.  We sure do need that as we each strive to advocate for the victims in these cases. 



 

 :smt045 :smt045 :smt045

Wyks,  what about Kaine's I don't know Dede/I don't know DeDe well comment and then DeDe is "the one" Kaine calls to set up the 40th birthday party? 

Know what ya mean Wyks. I feel the same way quite often lately.  ::dogwag::

I agree with you, and I keep remembering me saying over and over nothing will be like Caylee's case, was very wrong when I kept saying that.

Good Day Monkeys,
I am wondering on that one too... TH and her friends. Or lack of. Or did she choose only friends that were for her benefit, like Casey Anthony did. She chose certain people right before Caylee went poof and she manipulated them yet called them "Her Closest" friends.
 
Wasn't it Ms. Lackey Lakey ( sorry spelling) who came forth to LE. She is a Customer Service/Desk employee at TH's gym.
She was the "one witness" seeing TH at Freddies. She was quoted saying that TH was
always quiet *at the gym. That she did not seem to be a personality that was " open/ talkative" and that is why she was "hmm" that TH went up to her and chatted/showing Kyron's science fair photo.
 She also said that Terri's behavior (June 4th) was not out of the ordinary, but hinted that Terri's behavior was sorta " off set " to begin with...

I don't understand that. Did DeDe or did she not plan the 40th birthday party?

I agree Puzzler!  It's very curious to me too, and I'd love to dig there.  Plenty of contradictions from that corner.  IMO.  Much to be looked at, but doubt that any discussion of it is gonna be allowed here by some.  Which is one reason I mainly sit quietly by for now, just reading. 
 

IIRC Puzzler posted Tom's answers from Dede over here. In one of them he said that Dede said that she had not to Terri in several months and Kaine just called her and asked her to do the birthday party. Then she didn't talk her again til after Kyron went missing. I know that isn't word for word..will have to go back and find his post. But to me that sounds odd.....why call her if Terri had so many friends, friends that were close enough to go out and buy bat phones in fake names.

I don't think Kyron was "seen", I believe some take an "inference" from the Aug. 11/12 presser from LE who talked about "someone" being seen at the white truck.  I believe some are deducing that LE is infering that "someone" was Kyron.

Well.. what can we do.  Oh wait, it's five o'clock somewhere.   ::monkeywine2::  Have a glass with me, Rosie and others? 

I said the same thing, Rosie!  Never in my wildest dreams did I think we'd ever hear of anything more confusing etc than Caylee's case.  And then along came HaLeigh's case.   ::MonkeyEek::  Where I said no wait, THIS is the most confusing, crazy case ever.  Now Kyron's case..... Sigh.  Guess I needed to learn not to ever say that again. 

Thanks, I don't get that, why didn't Kaine just plan the party instead of digging up DeDe who it appears wasn't the best friend of Terri's, unless DeDe was the only one to say yes, I'll plan the party.

I will never say that again  ::MonkeyEek::  What really bothers me in all three cases you brought up is all the extra side shows there are that take away from the child that is deceased or missing, and they get lost in all of it  ::MonkeyNoNo::

It was a dinner at a restaurant. What's to plan? Making invitation phone calls? Kaine may have asked DeDe to make the phone calls so Terri would not accidentally overhear a phone conversation about the party.

It is odd that DeDe did not call Terri after the party or vice versa. Maybe they used bat phones and cannot admit they had contact after the party.
 ::MonkeyGavel::

Get that spade out and go, girl!  It's noticable that you've not been posting as much lately and I, for one, always look forward to reading your posts.  They are thought provoking.  IMO we need to look at all possibilities and keep an open mind until the very end. Even the last LE presser said we'd be "surprised" and they've found out things they "wish they hadn't".

Some don't like hearing anything other than Terri is responsibile...maybe she is...or at least I think she's "involved" in some manner.  But I don't think Terri did this all by herself, I think others are involved....and according to previous pressers, LE does too...even Kaine/Desiree have mentioned so.  So, IMO, anyone who can't see beyond "Terri is guilty", is shutting down on all the possibilities of "who else is involved", "what is the trigger for this happening" and why is LE "so upset at what they've found out".  LE isn't upset at Terri sexting, having affairs, etc.  That is something "we all know" about.  That's not a surprise.  Terri, and all her undesirable actions, is NOT a surprise. 

I not only want a guilty person to be held accountable, I want ALL the guilty parties held accountable!

I understand the deep passions of thinking Terri is guilty and when you think that, IMO, it can get you sidetraked on how much you dislike her because of this (I know I do that). But then I give myself a little talk and say you're never going to find out clues if you have such tunnel vision.  One thing lately that really got me away from tunnel vision was the last LE presser.  Boy, did they ever let us know (as best they could) that there is soooo much more involved in this case. 

There's other things out there to be found.  So, get that spade out and get to digging!

 ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyShovel:: ::MonkeyTongue::

Hiyas Darla! 

I could be totally wrong, cuz am having a case of CRS, being old and all.  mwahaha.  But am thinking there was something said in some news article somewhere (sorry it was early on), about 'a student' having supposedly seen Kyron BY or NEAR the door (not so sure it was said that he was outside of it)..  'later in the morning'.  Don't think they ever pinpointed the time, but what it seems to have inferred (IMO) was that it was after Terri left that morning.  Then the school or LE seems to have backtracked on that info, and didn't mention it again.  Anyone else remember that? 

Wyks - there are rules?  Gee I thought it was all public information on the www?  Have I missed something....

fairgame - JMO.

When did public information about adults become sensitive in a missing child case?  Reminds me of the monkeys;  Hear no Evil, See no Evil, Speak no Evil.

That is the problem with this case as it stands.  We have 2 persons who can not verify their whereabouts during a specific time that a little boy went missing.  Oh gee so we are supposed to simply exclude them now????  I don't think so.  These so called adults being touted as lovely wonderful human beings should be down with LE proclaiming their innocence if they are, but I think some can see that they are not.

Hey DeDe wrack your brain one more time I'm sure you can remember the person you spoke to that day in the red pick up truck if you really did talk to anyone. JMO.

It's odd that Terri did not call/text to say "Thank you", too.

If so-called comments from DeDe are to be believed, then a couple of times DeDe sent emails/texts to Terri that Terri never answered.

I'm beginng to think that Terri had casual friends...not necessarily a "best friend". 

Ok I am copying and pasting some excerpts from Tom's presser on GLP.

1)Dede says that she never talked to Terri form the beginning of the year untill June 22nd. At the birthday party Dede saw Terri in person but there was never a phone conversation.
2)The attempt at communication in May was a FB message to Terri, but she never responded back to Dede. No phone call.
3)Dede said on the 28th, the day the divorce papers were served she arrived at the house around 7 to 8 pm, and left around 11pm.
On the morning of the 29th, Terri and Dede met the first investigator and he confirmed the house was bugged, phones tapped, and cars tracked. On the morning of the 30th Dede bought her own phone. She said they only started to talk outside after the 31st.

According to Dede the puppeting and misleading info given to Kaine by LE was done after LE told her that they didn't think she was involved, but if she did not tell them something to implicate Terri, or find Kyron that they would tell Kyrons family that they thought Dede was involved somehow and that the family would go directly to the press.

About Terri responding to Dede for the birthday party. Dede said that Terri never called or gave any kind of thanks after, nothing, nor did she ever get any kind of thanks from Kaine either. No contact.
 
 And this bugs me.
4)
Dede has no ill will to Kaine, we have been talking off and on all day for the last few days now, i got a text from her .
and i thought ya know, she tells her friends and family about everything, they are not in trouble, so i called her. here we are.
5)the sexting with michael only happened after the divorce papers were served, and frankly when a man serves his wife those its over right then, right?
Dede said there were only three pics sent but did not give any detail as to content, dang it.
Dede did say the texting seemed to make MC kinda uncomfortable, it was Dedes opinion that Micheal wanted to help Terri, and only seemed to slightly respond in more of an uncomfortable fashion,not with alot of interest or seriousness.
i asked Dede what the hell was Terri thinking when she was doing that, she just shrugged and shook her head no, and said it seems to be the way Terri was dealing with the stress and senseof betrail and abandonment by Kaine serving the papers and believing LE over his wife. She seems to think terri wa s very insecure and the suspicious phone number she wanted Dede to look into compounded Terris belief that Kaine was gone and she was simply looking to comfort herself.

heh ... and as I recall, the posts from over there said that Dede told Kaine of another "friend" who would plan the party, thus passing it on to yet another person.

I could be wrong, but that's how I remember it. From that source, that is.

Oh for sure Grey, this is definitely one of the possibilities, IMO.  In fact, some of us have wondered if perhaps Terri was a drug-runner, or whatever they are called.  Somehow ending up owing someone big time, and the rest is history. 

Kind of would fit in with other discussions that have been going on about drugs.  I mean, who would suspect a mom of being a runner?  Especially if among the higher circles of folks (officials and such) that might be involved. 

Have to say, with the mention of the use of body-building drugs, Terri is the first one who came to mind as to being the runner.  Especially as she and friends have "a friend" on their facebook/myspace thingy that sells body-building drugs.  Could that be who she might be running drugs for?

Yeah, I know... That's reaching, speculating. 

The other thing that comes to mind is that one area on the Horman property that Terri said (in an interview at their home) wasn't to be cleared or whatever by the supposed landscaper.  It was one lil area in the middle of their yard and even the interviewer thought it was odd that it wasn't to be touched.  Makes me want to go in there with a bulldozer and see what's there.  Will look for that in my notes to see if I can find it again.  Was odd, to me anyway.  Am thinking it was the only interview that Terri gave early on.  (Wish my memory worked better, dangit). 

 

Yes, I vaguely recall something like that, just as I recall a worker at the school (maybe an assistant) leaving the state that day, June 4, (I'm thinking she was going to Florida).  But in both instances, I can't recall where I read it. 

Oh, my, to have foresight and to have know which tidbits to save at the time!

Puzzler- Do you remember in the begining hearing a report of a white pickup and red mustang hauling a@@ back from Sauvie Island? Allegedly this was reported to the police. Also it's been stated, when discussinf life insurance policies, there was a lot of debt. IMO, as an ex wife, I can understand Terri calling Desiree because my ex husbands, now ex, would call me as well because she felt I could relate to her. The day they broke up, she came to my house and said "Everything you ever told me was true"!

Maybe he figured DS would know more of Terri's friends. Or maybe he just invited her. He may not have known her well, but they'd all gone out together at Aztece before. But who is Liz who someone said actually planned the party? Did she tell Kaine to invite Ds, or was she already planning something but Kaine didn't know and after he asked DS, DS and Liz got together about it? Confusing.

Oh I totally understand the CRS stuff. I can remember things 3 months ago but can't remember something I did 10 minutes ago. I just didn't remember reading that anywhere.
I just don't get what Tom and Flymonkey are getting out of this other than to rile up some Monkeys. I can assure you if a friend of mine was a suspect or poi or just underr investigation for kidnapping and possible murder of a 7 yr old child, you can bet your sweet bippy, I would not be on the internet singing their praises and injecting myself to suspicion. I would be in a corner somewhere hiding if I didn't know anything about it. And if I knew something I would be first in line to spill it to LE.

Hear! Hear!

 ::MonkeyGavel::

Couple things:

Blink's site has been discussing steroids lately, and all the LE/FBI that's been personally involved that has been uncover in the area and that made me think of Terri - possible trail

Drug dealing - I've even wondered if the tractor was bought to be used in growing pot on the Horman property - there's SO MUCH of that going on in Oregon that cops look the other way we've found out - and the possibility of Terri's travel route the morning of June 4 being a "delivery route".  It seems to me that if there are a lot of drug cartels in Portland and if Terri or Terri/Kaine had a little home-grown program going on, that the cartels would not stand for a Mom/Pop operation horning in on their territory. Maybe Terri or Terri/Kaine have been "warned" in the past to cease or else bring trouble upon themselves and the warning(s) went unheeded. 

It also brings in the spector of the landscaper...maybe he found out about it and wanted in for his take of the money.  If he didn't get it, he would inform on Terri. There "is" something that went down with Terri and the landscaper.  I just can't wrap my head around all that fuss and calling 911, etc. over a guy/gal sex thing.  I think it was much more substantive than that...maybe drug dealing - small operation - delivery route - didn't set well with big-time drug dealers.

I know it's a stretch, but I'm looking for something that would be "surprising".  That's my goal now that LE has told me I will be surprised.

I think that was a Tanner Pumala statement. Ill have to check the videos when I get on the computer.

DeDe has the uncanny ability to pick friends that all write nearly exactly the same.  Simply amazes me.  What a talented woman.

 ::MonkeyJnBox::

MK, yes, I do recall some time back that someone reported a white truck and red mustang driving fast at Sauvie Island.  I recall asking at that time if we'd ever heard for a fact that Kaine was actually "at work all morining". My question was not well accepted, if my memory serves me right.  Anyway, I still wonder if Kaine was actually at work all moring until after lunch time.  Seems to me he could have left at any time during the morning and maybe even have gone back to work, as he seems to have a very loose schedule as to working in the office or working at home.  Would be an easy excuse to "have to go home to pickup up something".

Life insurance policies - recently read a remark Kaine's debt would eat up any life insurance proceeds...but it was from a questionable source that I read it.  Life insurance policies are not always what they seem to be, as it could be that the beneficiary or beneficiaries could be someone other than Terri (such as his children) or only a percentage to Terri and the rest to his children (i.e., 1/3 each to Terri, Kyron and Kiara OR 50% to Kyron and 50% to Terri/Kiara).

My 2 cents...

One thing I'd like to say is I know we are frustrated and anxious with this case. No-ones been named a suspect or POI and we are theorizing and speculating. If someone, cough, FlyMonkey, cough, wants to join in, let's try to minimize the annomosity and not bombard them with questions all at once. Let's not make the same mistake we did with JW. I've trying to catch up and went through pages of total cr@p. Let's get some intelligent conversation going that will help Kyron and not just ranting. *Monkey King ducks from flying bananas*

I like the drug theory but the not part where the cartel takes Kyron.  I think more along the lines of Kyron saw or heard something that made him a threat to Terri. 

And I'd think Steroids would be the drugs she was pushing.  JMO.

MK...not throwing bananas...tending to agree with you instead!

Agree!

I believe since Sheriff Stanton said "things we've suspected are no longer suspected" and "numerous elements"and "knowledge of things they wish they didn't", everything and everyone needs to be looked at despite peoples personal opinions. Numerous times I've tried to look at and research Kaine. People get very upset as this is the victims father. You have to remain unbiased to look at this objectively.

Wyks I answered your Nanner  ::MonkeyKiss::
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 I am just throwing this out, Klaas feel free to give me your 2 cents.
This Fly Monkey person.  I don't know how IP's work.
Fly Monkey said that Dede's computer was still in the hands of LE. Why this long?
She said that in order for Dede to go online she has to go to the Library etc..
Could it be that Fly and Dede were at the Library " sitting next" to each other ..
While Fly offered up answers to Monkey questions? Dede feeding the answers. 
That is why the IP came up ?? not in Oregon?  Would a public library or place that offered usage of internet offer up a mixed IP address?

I had a friend who would come over to my house. Because he thought his girlfriend was cheating on him. I was friends with her too. He would come over and read her facebook.
He had her on his own, he had his own computer ( he could have read it at his house, her facebook) but He was so scared, bec he was pretty sure that his relationship was over.
He came over so we could talk as he read Her posts.. he would make me sit next to him.
And he would say " should I write something" what should I say .. tell me and I will type it.
I never did tell him, or aid him in typing ..
* just offering up and example of how I came up with " Dede and Fly" sitting together, as Fly contributed answers .. Could this be a joke to them?

It made me think of this Fly person confessing they knew so much, and some of the things they said " were either embellished, or was it where Dede was telling them what to write.
( possibly sitting next to her as she was typing) Seems hinky ..that a friend would know all these details to feel confident they could represent Dede "in a unsolved missing child's case"..writing Dede's Hearsay/ and providing info as if, she is a character witness... Nothing to add for the benefit of Kyron. How would anyone " Know" all these details ?
Is this person writing a book? and they took Notes from Dede during the height of the investigation from her? With the comments/responses that Fly offered,  DS/Fly took pleasure in " having conversations on their cells" making fun of LE etc..thinking possibly they were being monitored by LE .. "cough"... who would admit that? or even do it in the first place? 
Sounds like this person has some Moxy. That they find this possibly " entertaining" to post here on SM.

For them to want to be a Monkey to offer up such info, they felt so compelled the world needed to know. I noticed last night, while lurking, there were 64 lurkers among 15 monkeys at one time..while Fly was first typing. I went and searched on Google and typed in FlyMonkey Kyron.. Someone was on GLP coping and pasting every post of Fly, as they came in here..
Darla's question, almost made me fall over. I am glad that she did ask it though. If this person had been questioned by the police. They admitted yes they had been.  :smt017
Why would they be questioned by the Police? because this person has inserted themselves into Dede's world or into Kyron's case? I do not understand all these people " wanting to prove" what Dede is or not is all about. Since Fly " came here" to profess Dede stands for only one thing, which is the " Truth" ...
Dede has had her computer seized, her home searched, she stayed for 11 days bunkered in with Terri, purchased throw away phones with Terri to keep her privacy, won't take a poly, lawyered up a quick as a snap. Which I do not understand. If she is so innocent, why the need for an Atty. You do not see Desiree running to a law office ..do ya?

Never has expressed publicly ONE word for Kyron. Never has participated in searching for Kyron. Not seen at any of the vigils, or events held for Kyron. She though feels a bit abandoned " Kaine, doesn't want anything to do with her :smt089 boo hoo ... " He owes her nothing. He certainly doesn't owe her any thanks. The only thing she has done is insert herself into the case when it was from the jump. That she felt she needed to "run to" and protect TH. My hinky meter tells me that the reason why DS and TH were so bonded from the beginning was so they could keep their stories straight. Protect each other from " who?"
They felt it was okay to allow MC into their bunker. He has such a sterling reputation. I still think he was sent in by LE..and they fell for it..two innocent women allowing him into camp Terri. And we know what happened there.. texting, sexting, him taking photos of legal docs, that were none of his business etc... Wonder what he has been up to since?   
That was my rant and opinion on Fly, I don't feel this person is here for Kyron's benefit what so ever. I feel they have an agenda. I am not going to bring this up again. If they find offense of my post, I really do not care. For this is not about " You, for you to feel any of this personal " this is about a precious little boy " Kyron Horman" who needs to be found.
 
   ::FlyingFrog::

I agree, I'm unbiased in this case because for me things don't add up.

OR...life insurance policiy could have been to Kaine's "Estate" and a will specifying that all bill in the estate be paid first. 

"Things we've suspected are no longer suspected" - those words have been echoing through my mind ever since the LE presser.

Me too  ::MonkeyNoNo::

I would agree except I don't think there is a chance in hell Kaine would have been given temporary custody of Kiara if LE suspected him at all, even the slightest. 

I thought we learned a lot in the last press conference...not nitty-gritty tidbits, but big picture type things:

things we've suspected are not longer suspected
learning things we wish we didn't know
other investigations likely
likely to inform other government agencies
lots of stress on staff
restructuring and focusing a task force
no mention of Terri, DeDe, white truck, flyers

I'm sure I'm missing a couple of big items, but I thought this presser was more open, honest and told us a lot.  I just wish I had a special pair of glasses that would let me read between the lines.   ::MonkeyTongue::

Awwww thanks Puzzler!  Well I'd love nothing more than to dig dig dig with that shovel, oh yeah!  Seems that's one of my fav things to do in these cases.  Question everything, and everyone involved.  As in other cases, I am an 'equal opportunity theorist' in this case as well.  I can look at everyone involved in a case and build some sort of theory each one. 

No matter what LE says, cuz we've seen in some cases how biased they can be at times.  Stacy Peterson's case comes to mind, where her husband is former LE himself, and how they can and do (at times) look the other way and/or hush things up for their 'brother/sister' in blue.  I am ever conscious of the fact that we have members of LE in this case, in the family.  And it doesn't help the case much for LE that I have personal knowledge of the local LE and high officials in the Portland area.  I do try to trust LE in a case, unless/until they start sounding 'off', then I start looking at them and their actions or non-actions just as much as any other person in a case. 

Officer Gates tho, seems to be above-board.  I'd like to think he can be trusted.  But this LE overall, (or is it the FBI?  who IS in charge of this case?), seems to be playing games with the public/media, at the least.  And I dunno if it's 'games', or if it is some kind of special tactics they may be using.  The end result is that ---> IMO <--- they are all coming off as being mighty suspicious.  Even other LE officials elsewhere have been scratching their heads over how this case has been handled SOOOOOO very differently than any other case... ever.  (Their words). 

So all that has my hinky meter going off, from the start. 

And we cannot discuss everyone in this case, not on this board.  Klaas has made that very clear.  While I do believe that Terri had some amount of involvement in disappearing Kyron, I do not believe that she acted alone.  I personally think that family dynamics play a huge role in this case.  But cannot get into any of that in here, without angering/offending several, and getting accused of being a 'Terri supporter'.  When I definitely am NOT! 

So I've dug on my own, and found some of the things that I think y'all are gonna be hearing about soon, which supposedly will 'surprise' so many in the public.  And all I can say here and now, is that it looks like Rob was right, in that things are not as they seem.  I truly think that many folks in this case need to open their eyes and start considering possibilities they didn't want to consider before.  Otherwise they may be hit hard by some falling bricks when all is said and done.   I do believe that what was said by LE at the last presser was intended to soften the blow when it comes.  IMO. 

And I believe that in some ways, LE was taken in early on themselves, and have tried to distance themselves from that.  If you go back and carefully look at how LE seems to have changed over time, presenting themselves differently in pressers and such, seperately from the family, you might pick up some clues.  All IMO.   

It seems to me that several different things are going on in this case, at the same time.  Perhaps all not related to Kyron's having gone missing.  That, of course, ought to be the central focus.  Am thinking tho, that when all is said and done, just as with the HaLeigh case, it will be found that much of the differing aspects in this case are entwined somehow. 

And it's for that reason I'd like to be allowed to dig into everything, no matter what/who.  It's what we've done in other cases, and I don't understand why it's become a 'bannable' thing to do in this case.  But it's not a hill I want to die on, or get banned over.  So I stay quiet, hoping for the day I am proven wrong. 

My comment in red above.

I believe they have more than one witness now putting Kyron and another adult next to Kaine's truck at the school during the times in question.  I also believe whatever happened, was due to Terri being angry at Kaine.  She wanted to get back at him. 

I too tend to think that Dodo is feeding Fly stuff to post here. Fly, you're a Monkey now so let's discuss the case, not just your friend. There's really nothing more to be added about DS is there?
The DoDo Spicher Story: denies leaving the property on June 4th; would have supported Terri no matter what; thinks LE is wasting their time; bought bat phones; refused poly because it's "unreliable"; thinks she's a wonderful person whose life has been destroyed by Kyron's evil parents; has absolutely no new insight or information on the case to share; wants people to know the 'real' her; loves gardening; has a cousin named Tom Jones who likes blogging about her; JW wasn't her first boyfriend...TMI and End of Story.

So what more does DS have to say that we would care about? I certainly don't care about her personal life; we are here to find out what happened to Kyron, and if she has nothing new to share pertaining to this case ... DoDo can go fly a kite for all I care.

Wyks - do you think if Kaine's lifestyle was so horrible that it lead to Kyron missing that the courts would allow Kaine temporary full custody of Kiara?  You really believe that?  See, I don't. 

 ::HelloKitty::

Here's a great FB site that you all may wish to join

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Bootsie-The-Cat-Support-Page/132556156791668

Huh..I think we have a winner winner chicken dinner here. 

I thought all this conversation between DeDe and Tom was supposed to be texting and over the phone.....how does one know the other is shaking their head no and shrugging? 

So I've dug on my own, and found some of the things that I think y'all are gonna be hearing about soon, which supposedly will 'surprise' so many in the public.  And all I can say here and now, is that it looks like Rob was right, in that things are not as they seem.   ::MonkeyEek::  Well Wyks you certainly have peeked my interest with this.  Nothing ever seemed right in all of this, but I will wait and see what happens next.

 ::MonkeyJnBox:: ::MonkeyCheer4:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeySlide:: ::monkeywine2:: :smt046

Klaas,
Terri losing custody ( temp or not yet determined) of Kiara. I wonder if Kiara being removed was about more than ...what we know. That LE may have " instructed " Kaine that they felt " Kiara" was at risk in more ways than one. Not just at risk being with TH.
That is why " Kaine" went into a undisclosed temporary residence at that time. 
Was said when MC took photos of " KH/TH legal docs" with his phone - that Kaine replied that MC had his " undisclosed residence address" from those legal docs .. and it bothered him greatly.
Kaine never divulged to the press or anyone where he was staying. It was not a question of where he was staying. Or anyone's business for that matter.
 It was only brought up " after" MC was caught with what was on his phone ..by LE.
That Kaine expressed he felt his security was being compromised. Which I think provoked him to get TH out of the martial house. Because Kaine knew the safest place to be was his house. Because LE had been monitoring the house from day one and it was the most secured place for him and Kiara to be.   :smt102

 ::MonkeyDance::

I'd like to know....

Because this is an "ongoing" investigation, there are things that have been uncovered/learned in the past few weeks that weren't known 4 weeks or 6 weeks ago.  At least, I would hope so.

Deenie, are you saying that there was fear that Kiara would be taken, like Kyron was?  And because we've heard they're death treats against Terri, that Kiara wouldn't be as safe with Terri as she would be with Kaine?

And I think Kaine said something like "Kiara was a different child" after being away from Terri?  I thought that statement peculiar as well.

I think we later learned that Tom/DeDe spent part of two evenings together, dinner, etc.

Hi All.  I do have a few more things to say, if anyone has any further interest.  I spoke to DeDe re: some of your questions yesterday and I have read some of the new speculation since then, and have comments about that, also.

Terri didn't share any info with DeDe about what happened at the school or what she though might have happened to Kyron that you all haven't already seen reported.  Terri told DeDe about the landscaper at the March birthday party:  she had hired him to do landscaping work, he had at some point made unwelcome sexual advances to her, and then harrassing telephone calls, all prior to March.  She did give his name to LE when they asked her for names of people who had been on the property, and I suppose they confirmed the contact by looking at her cell records.

DeDe knew both Terri and Kaine Horman for approximately 7 years.  It was a casual friendship, involving some phone contact, chats at the gym, and maybe 4 or 5 dinners together over that entire time.  DeDe and Terri were not and are not best friends.  Don't know why Kaine contacted DeDe to help plan the birthday party.  There was supposed to be a group effort to plan the party, but my understanding is that the planning fell mostly to DeDe and one other woman, whose name I cannot recall.

I am currently at a library, but DeDe is not with me, and we have never sat side by side plotting what I should type.  While a number of people have criticized DeDe for not not just going away and staying out of the spotlight, others have criticized her for not speaking up and declaring her innocence.  This current foray into the spotlight on SM is my doing only.  As I wrote earlier, she did not ask me to do this.

Sadly, they are still doing their investigation and nothing appears to be solid right now. For Kyron's sake, I just feel we should look into this even if it means laying to rest any suspicions we have.  I honestly have to say, because the research on Kiane hasn't been explored, it leaves me with alot of questions and keeps me sitting on the fence.  I'd like to get off, my butt hurts.  ;)

FlyMonkey, see you up in the rafters,you said DeDe still doesn't have her puter.  Do you know how she is posting on her support page late last night, don't know of any libraries open late Saturdays.

 Also you stated that DeDe knew Kyron from dinners shared at the Horman home, did she mention whether while playing games with him whether he seemed spacy, out of it, at any time?   

I don't understand why LE would still have DeDe's computer. It doesn't take long to make a mirror image of the hard drive, and that is all they need from the computer. They can either return her computer with the original hard drive or a hard drive with the mirror image.

DeDe has a smart phone which has the FB app on it.  She can use it to read or post to FB, but the screen is too small and the web connection is too slow for any kind of significant web browsing or extended reading.

She had no personal experience with Kyron seeming spacy.  I asked her about the "mini-seizures" that I mentioned yesterday.  She did get this info from Terri, who told her that Kyron would stop in the middle of what he was doing sometimes and just stare off into space for a little while.  It was difficult to get his attention, and he was a little out of it for a while after this.  This sounds like a description of petit mal seizures to me, but I am not a medical professional.  Terri told DeDe that she had information from Kyron's teacher about the same episodes happening at school, and that she had an appt with Kyron's doctor on 6/11 to have him checked out.  She also told DeDe that Kaine was very resistant to the idea that Kyron could hav any neurological problems, and did not want her to take him to the doctor.  AGAIN, I know this is all from Terri and thus you find it highly suspect.  I am just telling you all what Terri told DeDe -- I can't vouch for any of it, so please don't think that I am!

Monkey Gods....please don't let me regret this.......really it is just a question....

Only because I am involved in a CPS / custody battle do I dare raise my hand......when CPS takes a child, sometimes that info is sealed to protect the child....

Curious only....have we seen any pictures of Kiara with Kaine? Not that he would necessarily have her out and about, he may very well be sheltering her at home....

RUNNING fast as my lil monkey legs will carry me to the nearest treetop.......

Puzzler, I think that there is more too it, than the MFH Plot that fizzled out .. no arrest.
Terri and Kaine were in the Horman house at first together with Kiara when Kyron was first reported missing. Something transpired after, that that gave LE knowledge of Terri's secret doings..that led them to the Landscaper. The Landscaper had to be " Fished" out by LE. He didn't come out on his own. With the possibility of Terri having this scheme in planning for many many months or longer .. who and how many " gutless wonders" did she approach to make this MFH plan succeed. It's like coaxing a Rat, she threw out the bait to Who? How Many?  offering $$/her address to the most seediest of characters waiting on which one would take the bait and say " I will do it" ... It takes one to know one.
I think that Terri has many " people in her past, present" that understand her more so than we know or want to know. This " found " information was not of recent, it was of 2009 ( speculated) that Terri started this hunt for the " One" to carry out her wishes - to Off Kaine. So that is why I say ..makes me wonder what danger was Kiara possibly in other than being with her Mother. 

http://www.kgw.com/news/kyron-horman/Hormanprobelatest-97771724.html
PORTLAND, Ore. -- KGW has learned from a reliable source that police were prepared to arrest Terri Horman on Saturday, June 26 for plotting to kill her now-estranged husband Kaine.
An unsealed restraining order confirmed that Kaine Horman, whose seven-year-old son Kyron has been missing for more than four weeks, was told by investigators that his wife Terri had plotted to kill him. According to more than one source, Terri offered a landscaper "a lot of money" to kill Kaine. On June 26th, the landscaper, who has been cooperating with authorities and was wearing a wire, met with Terri and an undercover officer. Police were prepared to arrest her if she implicated herself  but Terri cut the conversation short, the source told KGW. Kaine told of murder-for-hire plot
Later that day, Kaine was told by investigators that she had plotted against him. He was also told "if she did it once, there's a chance she did it other times and we're investigating that possibility," according to a source close to the investigation.
That night Kaine took their 19-month-old daughter and moved out.

They may just be holding it until after the investigation.  I've known of LE holding items of people for a long time-like a knife or something for quite a while. 
I wouldn't read anything into it. And also, as FlyMonkey has stated, Dede hasn't been cleared either to date. 

Hi Grey -- you are right about that.  They cannot possibly need to keep what they collected during the search of her house.  Her laptop, her previous cell phone, the pre-paid cell phone, her iPod, and a digital camera.  Her attorney has asked for these items back many times and the DA's office will not release them. 

FlyMonkey~

Just wanted to thank you for your input, Thank You!!

So what you're saying, since they weren't BFF's, Terri is willing to let an acquaintance take her son to a strangers house? Doesn't say much for Terri, does it?   ::MonkeyCool:: I call BS!

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Thankyou FlyMonkey for answering my questions.

I've wondered the same about Kiara, scanned the B.Party pics closely, saw no sign of Kiara, no pics of her at the Wall of Hope, nada.  Can understand wanting to keep her out of the public eye, but not even at Ky's party..........

Flymonkey

Are you implying that Kaine's attorney was lying in regards to evidence that  Terri was sexting with the landscaper?

Janet

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Sexting

Missing boy's stepmother accused of affair
OREGON: Sealed court order allegedly shown to woman's lover
Published July 13, 2010

Kaine Horman said in the filing that Cook has provided investigators with information about his relationship with Terri Horman, including “hundreds of text messages as well as several photographs of (Terri Horman) in various stages of undress and graphic sexual activity.”

Kaine Horman’s attorney said in the filing that Terri Horman’s “stated personal relationship concerns and sexual overtures to Mr. Cook resemble those made to the man (Terri Horman) previously attempted to hire to murder (Kaine Horman).”

http://www.theolympian.com/2010/07/13/1302999/missing-boys-stepmother-accused.html#ixzz0u9lGt2Ps

No Klaas, I don't believe that.  I don't remember ever saying such a thing about the custody of Kiara.  If I did, will you point it out to me plz? 

Whatever I think of Kaine, I doubt that whatever his lifestyle is or isn't, has any bearing on Kiara, or his ability to parent her. 

Seems to me that it's very likely whichever parent is the first to go into the court and file for a temporary restraining order and ask for custody of a child etc, is going to be the parent who receives that.  I could be wrong, yet am thinking the courts don't investigate a case at a time like that, they just make a temporary ruling for the time being, based on whatever info they have.  Which is probably why they make it a temporary ruling, while others investigate and figure out what the problems are, what the truth is, etc. 

We don't know the facts in this case, because very little has actually been released.   None of us know how this custody thing will play out, we'll have to see what happens.   

Klaas, there are things that you and I agree on, and things we don't agree on.  And that's ok.  We still agree on at least one thing tho, that Kyron needs to come home and justice brought on his behalf. 

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In this photo: DeDe Spicher, Terri Moulton Horman, Liz Wenz
http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=2056413&id=1264414625#!/photo.php?pid=1173436&id=1264414625&ref=fbx_album&fbid=1408293968415

I beleive that the DA's office in this case has behaved, and continues to behave, unethically -- at least toward DeDe.  They are keeping her property even though they have no real cause to do so -- as Grey said, they could ghost the hard drive in about 5 minutes, and would have no problem getting everything they need from the cell phones, camera, and iPod just as quickly.  As I believe Tom has said (although I am not a reader of GLP), the DA, Norm Frink, threatened DeDe after several hours of questioning.  This is as exact a quote as DeDe could recall of what he said:  "Look DeDe, we really don't think that you had anything to do with this, but we do think you know something.  So unless you tell us, I AM going to go to the family and tell them what you've done, and then you know what will happen.  They will go to the media and hell will rain down upon you."

If I seem angry at LE, it's because I think this is a truly unethical thing to do.  And I wonder if you all realize that LE may be counting on the local media AND forums like this one and using you as a kind of torture to threaten people with, even when they don't think those people are guilty.

If she does know something, she doesn't know she knows it.  She would have gone on talking to them forever if they had not started treating her like a suspect.

http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=2056413&id=1264414625#!/photo.php?pid=1173436&id=1264414625&ref=fbx_album&fbid=1408293968415 (http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=2056413&id=1264414625#!/photo.php?pid=1173436&id=1264414625&ref=fbx_album&fbid=1408293968415)

ooops  ::MonkeyConfused:: "fixed" link to above posted photo of "Liz" ..sorry

I think Terri was the picture taker.

 I just found it here.

Re: Kyron Horman Discussion thread.....
« Reply #761 on: July 25, 2010, 11:41:51 AM »   

Quote from: dizzydazze on July 25, 2010, 08:43:52 AM
I am new here so if this has already been posted please disregard.

There has been comments made by residents on Sauvie Island that TH red mustang was seen traveling at a high rate of speed on the west side of the island going north around 9-10 am on June 4. These residents swear they seen her red mustang....so my question is, if they are so certain.....that it was TH red mustang how could it have been her if Kaine took the mustang to work at 7:45am? I have asked them and they still swear it was her mustang....

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:L4y0mcbuLPoJ:forums.radionewz.net/index.php%3Ftopic%3D137.780+white+truck+and+red+mustang+driving+fast+at+Sauvie+Island.&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=opera

Hi Darla,  What I remember is right at the beginning of the case it was said Kyron was seen outside the south door to the school.  I shouldn't have written he appeared to be waiting ::MonkeyNoNo:: as that is probably how I envisioned him standing outside the door.

I'll go back and try to find that today.

One thing I know I didn't realize at that time was how the school lies on the ground with the front of the school facing Skyline Rd being really the south side of the bldg.  That corner of the bldg closest to Kyron's room would be the SW corner of the bldg.  So that exit on the west side of the bldg that is close to the corner of that bldg could maybe be interpreted as a SW door, right?  The bldg isn't squared to direction as it sits askew a bit.  Really the front door would be the south door and I can't imagine him outside that door, especially if Terri was seen hiding in a stairwell.  Of course we don't know if that is true and had no inkling of that at the beginning of the case.   xox

Hi Janet -- I don't mean to imply anything about that.  DeDe was only aware of harrassment tactics on the part of the landscaper.  She was not aware of any sexual relationship.  Looking at the statement from the lawyer though, he seems to state as fact something that hasn't been proven - the MFH plot.  Could just be lawyerly rhetoric.

and Hi Sassi --I don't think that DeDe and Terri were "acquaintances," I think they were friends, but I don't think best friends go months at a time without contact.  They were casual friends.  As to what Terri would trust anyone to do, I just don't know her and I can't make any judgment about that.

Contrary to what people think, if I were any of these folks, I would have gotten a lawyer right away and I wouldn't have given it a second thought.  People assume guilt because someone lawyers up.  I think the smartest thing Terri did to date, was in hiring Houze. 

As parents, we are frustrated, scared and horrified what may have happened to Kyron.  We have taken him into our hearts and have put ourselves in his parent's shoes. 

We need to step back, and try to stop being so emotional about this because emotions cloud our reasoning.  They also affect our ability to work together as a team.

There's plenty of time to break down later on.   

Spodie put together a list of teachers who were at the school for the 2009-2010 school year, as well as a list of the new teachers for the 2010-2011 year, and a list of the people who wouldn't be returning to the school.

I am surprised to see the head custodian, KM, will not be returning.  Considering we have discussed Kyron possibly being carried out of the school,  I think this is something that shouold have raised some red flags.

I remember that about the red mustang driving wildly in tandem with another car on SI.  If my memory serves me correctly ::MonkeyMad::, lol, I read that in a comment from a news article.  I know at that time I never read at odd forums or FB.  What I also remember then when it was discussed was the poster was a local who lived on SI and saw this themselves.

I have friends I am very close with and there are times where we go months without talking as well.  Sometimes it's because of school, new relationships or whatever.  Once we pick up the phone it's like the last time we spoke was the day before even though it's been months. 

ODD FORUMS!  WHO, US?   

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OK, I guess that's fair.  I can speak from personal knowledge here, however, when I tell you that DeDe may be Terri's best friend, but Terri is not DeDe's best friend.  As someone who is in very regular contact with DeDe, I feel confident in this assertion.

Thanks Monkey King -- and you're welcome!

I remember photos indicating that Kyron's room was on the second floor and right outside the door to his room are stairs going down to the first floor.

Actually that is a good point but I seriously doubt Kiara is in CPS custody.

Totally agree with all you said.

FlyMonkey~

Has Dede ever advised you why she and Jason broke up?  He was on here for a while and seemed to be an odd character. 

Do you know what the duration of their relationship was? 

To your knowledge, has Dede read the JW thread?

My list of the staff at Skyline Elementary that left has been updated:

Jill Koning 4/5   - She moved to the Bridlemile School
                       http://www.pps.k12.or.us/schools/bridlemile/285.htme   

Paul Mastin math/ lang arts 6/7/8 - Still researching
 
kenny Moylan head custodian - Still researching


Nancy Yates - school psychologist - Still researching

 ::MonkeyHaHa::  I'm always afraid of viruses

I wonder who is providing care for Kiara when Kaine goes to work?  or when he has been in the public eye? But then I guess it doesn't really matter. As long as she is safe.

LE publicly negates the implications of Kaine and Desiree's.  Why?

Janet

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MULTNOMAH COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE HAS NO COMMENTS REGARDING THE JULY 8, 2010 YOUNG/HORMAN PRESS CONFERENCES
Posted: July 8th, 2010 6:48 PM

There will be no comment from the Multnomah County Sheriff's Office regarding the information reported during the Horman/Young July 8, 2010 press conferences.   The information released in during these conferences did NOT come from the Multnomah County Sheriff's Office.  This is an ongoing investigation. ....

http://www.mcso.us/public/newsroom.htm


Sheriff: Terri Horman being cooperative 38
Share By Anna Song KATU News and KATU.com Staff
Story Published: Jul 2, 2010 at 4:23 PM PDT

PORTLAND, Ore. - Terri Horman, the stepmother of missing 7-year-old Kyron Horman, has been fully cooperating with law enforcement, according to Multnomah County Sheriff Dan Staton during a news conference Friday.

Staton’s revelation comes a day after Kyron’s biological mother, Desiree Young, appealed to Terri during a brief public statement to cooperate in the investigation to find Kyron.

“We implore Terri Horman to fully cooperate with investigators to bring Kyron home,” she said.

“To date there has been no indication through our detectives or through our investigators that she’s been uncooperative,” Staton said during the news conference called because of the flood of media questions his office has received about the case.

http://www.katu.com/news/local/97705124.html


Kyron's family implores Terri's friend to cooperate with police
Story Published: Jul 22, 2010 at 8:42 PM PDT
Story Updated: Jul 24, 2010 at 12:40 AM PDT

Here is the statement released by Desiree and Tony Young, and Kaine Horman:

“We have been briefed by law enforcement on the most recent developments in Kyron’s case.  We have been informed that they have identified a person that has been in close communication with Terri Moulton Horman since Kyron went missing and her name is DeDe Spicher.  She has not only been in close communication with Terri but has been providing Terri with support and advice that is not in the best interests of our son.  Additional information provided shows that she is refusing to cooperate with law enforcement, she is also going as far as to suggest to others that may have information regarding Kyron’s disappearance, not to cooperate as well.  We implore DeDe Spicer (sic) to come forward and cooperate with the investigators in any way that they need in order to assist us in finding our son.  We will state further that if we find out through the investigation that she caused a delay in us finding our son due to her lack of cooperation, we will pursue civil remedies in this matter.

“We as a family cannot understand how anyone can look at Kyron’s smiling face, having information and choose not to help bring him home.  Please remember what this is about, it’s about bringing a wonderful little boy back to his family.”

Desiree, Tony, and Kaine

SELF-EDIT - MY LAST POST

Kaine and Desiree's. s/b Kaine and Desiree's words.

Scandi~

You sound like my sister!!   Run your virus scan more often! 

Going to news sites, and some of the forums, Blink and a few others, you should be fine.  I go to a lot of places too.  I just run my virus scan more often and avoid pop-ups. 

A very good question, Janet.  IMO. 

ya know ive always wondered about that, maybe LE dosent have techies for puters and
or wont hire it out, ive done it to mine several times, upgrading to a drive with more GB

  That's right.  If you look at a photo of the front of the school Kyron's classroom would be on the far left of the top {second] floor which is next to the stairwell going down to the 1st floor and there is a door there to exit the stairwell and go outside.  That door is technically on the west side of the bldg.  But being so close to the SW corner of the bldg I wonder if a poster interpreted it as a south door.  That is what I was getting at as I know the words south door were used in what I read at the beginning of the case.  Just trying to figure out were he was actually seen.

If I am right that places him on the soccer field side of the bldg, close to acceess to the access road and maybe in view of a GK.  Just a thought.

Janet, that is a good question.  Earlier, another poster mentioned that LE has been "distancing" itself from the family - and your quotes seem to support that comment.

DeDe and Jason broke up because they both got disillusioned.  Jason obviously was unable to tolerate a depressed girlfriend who was gaining weight (sorry, that is definitely me being snide), and DeDe had come to realize that Jason was not very stable.  Apparently he never told her or showed her or invited her to where he lived, which began to really bother her.  It showed that he never trusted her, first of all, and possibly that he had something to hide.  She eventually did track down his place, in Vancouver, and he was living in the garage of his ex-girlfriend.  He also seemed to have a need for a really high level of emotional drama in his life, which DeDe didn't care for. 

She did read his letter, I believe, but I don't know how much of the threads on here she has read.  She was angry at first that he was speaking out about her, but since it quickly became obvious that people recognized his strangeness she sort of let it go.  They were together pretty much as he said...  I think 11/08 through 8/09, but without much contact the last couple of months.

Someone asked earlier also:  Yes she did meet some of his family; yes his dad is the infamous child molester.  Re: his name change from Name Redacted2 to Name Redacted.  He told DeDe that he was frustrated with people saying Wish-ART, when the correct pronunciation was actually Name Redacted, so he just changed the spelling to match the pronunciation.  He was so secretive about himself and where he lived, I also thought that he did it to make himself harder to find, but that is JMO.

Now my puter is scanned every day at the same time.  I've also noticed I never get all the pup up ads I used to get here.  Thanks

Keep that "thinking cap" on..it's working for you.

Has anyone other than Terri suggested Kyron had these little "episodes" of seizures?

IMO, if there was even a remote possibility of a seizure disorder, Desiree and Kaine would be forthcoming with such important information when Kyron first disappeared.

We've heard Kaine talk about how Terri was obsessed with Kyron's behavior report and how she wanted Kyron's on a daily basis.
If he didn't get whatever color meant perfect, (can't recall what colors were used right now) Terri insisted on punishment.
If your child was coming home with imperfect behavior reports AND you are witnessing what you think are seizures, why in the world would you think punishing your child would improve his behavior? Common sense tells you if the child is having episodes where he is semi-conscious and out of it, and then his behavior at school at times is unusual, maybe the school behavior is associated with a medical problem.
You don't punish your child.

If there's a link to Kyron's teacher stating she or anyone at the school stating Kyron was having these episodes, please post it.

Just because Terri tells anyone who will listen about said seizures, doesn't make it the truth.

I'm pretty sure Kaine and Desiree don't give a hoot about giving out medical information relevant to the safety and well-being of Kyron and HIPPA laws.

They are Kyron's parents and can disclose any and all medical information they want.
There is no reason for them to keep it secret for heaven's sake!

  Yes I agree.  Looking at the front of the school his room would be on the second floor and to the far left.  Whenever I see a photo of the school I always look up to that first set of windows and think of him at his desk.

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I lighted up the picture, to see if I could see someone recognizable in the background.

:D

p.s.
I cannot help but to notice the huge drinks they serve at that restaurant.

Very interesting...thank you.

went fishing this morn, talked to my fish buddy about this case, and of
course it took an hr for the catch up,players place news ect,
the first thing he asks me has the LE checked into intel employees, or have
any of us, we talked that idea out for awhile, and came up with

A. an unknown S.O. that knew kyron, has kids at the school, works for intel
or maybe the unknowns wife/hubby works for the school, too

B. an unknown, puts hand across face, snaps him up, off they go

C. someone didnt like kaine for?

D. TH was involved with someone at intel, that was PoEd, for?

E. TH because she is a B,
note to E. not enough time for her to do kyron, and dispose of without
a super pre plan, and lackey would have messed with a/ the time line,
to do kyron and dispose of him, timeline would have been tight
he thinks the LE looking for wittiness to car at store is, hoping
someone saw something else, maybe kyron in car, doubtful,if TH
was going to get rid of kyron, he would not be awake, and or where
you could see him

Thank you for that info.

Have you and Dede discussed JW being a child advocate?  Sometimes when JW would speak, it seems like he was "blowing his own horn", so to speak.

They say if something appears to be too good to be true, it usually is.     ::MonkeyWink::

There are a lot of 40^th birthday arty pictures here: http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=2056413&id=1264414625

Many with captions.

Brandi, are there any pics/captions that stand out for some reason?  (I don't do FB...thanks)

This is a link regarding seizure of computers in my state under a search warrant.  It does not say anything about timelimits.  I would think if it is an ongoing investigation it would be until case closed.  JMO.



http://ccu.mdsp.org/Guidelines%20-%20Seizure%20of%20Digital%20Evidence.htm

the Relevance is "Liz" in the photo - it's the only one she is in - it was mentioned a "Liz" helped plan the 40th b-day event, or that DeDe was to help Liz?  This is the only Liz I've found that's connected, thus far

In the same album, but not a picture of the party, I happened to just notice this one. Another time Terri seems to forget about acknowledging Kyron in the picture.

(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/Kyron/Image24-2.png)

What about "chain of custody"? 

Thanks, Brandi.

I'll dig them.

:D

Kaine looks happy in this pic.

I don't recall DeDe telling me anything about Jason's advocacy work with children...  she might have, but I'm sorry, I just don't remember.

Re: the seizure of computers...  I believe OR law allows the police to keep them for 90 days unless they bring charges against the person from which they seized them.  If they bring charges, they can keep them until the cows come home, I guess.  The interesting thing to me is that when they copied the memory card in Michael Cook's phone, they did it in 5 minutes and handed the phone back to him.  It's another reason this seems spiteful to me...  but I guess LE may have some reason to do this that I am not aware of.

Do you know if Dede spent much time on the computer with JW?

flymonkey why are you using the library puter, you dont own a home puter

 ::MonkeyEek:: aren't "libraries" closed on Sundays?  Least round here they are?  ::MonkeyEek::

Just this:

His mother says he has had Stranger Danger training, but she fears he might not sense danger.

01:36 - D "He's had some challenges at school with listening & following direction, and so of course we've had to talk to him about that, too, and part of that is listening to your elders, unfortunately."

01:52 - D "If someone came up to him and asked him to go with him, I can't say he wouldn't because its a stranger danger situation. I don't know that he would recognize that."


http://www.koinlocal6.com/content/me...t&navCatId=156

The above transcription comes from this video:

I could be wrong but I thought Flymonkey said DeDe had to use the library computer, not Flymonkey.   ::MonkeyCool::

MK -- I don't remember ever hearing DeDe say she communicated via computer with JW -- I know they texted and spoke on the phone a lot, but that was it.  I guess I have to say I don't remember for sure, but I don't think so.

I have lots of 'putersat home -- one PC, 2 Macs, one netbook, but I am at the library because I am trying to do my homework while chatting.  It ain't working too well, but I AM trying!  School library is open.

BUMPING - see bolded above

Fly - thanks for clearing up the library issue lol

Can anyone recall where the "audio taped" interview of Kaine & Desiree is?  ::MonkeyNoNo:: I'm having a hard time locating it - I do believe though, on that interview, ALL the concern over Kyron "not paying attention/getting into trouble" at SCHOOL ... was brought to the REAL parents attention by Terri herself  ::MonkeyEek:: (It is in that audio interview I am 99.99999% sure)

 

our s is open from noon till 5 on sunday, during the school yr

When the police started bringing Dede into this mess, JW stated he gave police a couple of "clues" or whatever, are you aware of what he meant by that?

(http://i803.photobucket.com/albums/yy315/TomboyKetchup/bdayparty-wells.jpg)

There are a few juicy ones, but this one with MW seems hot enough.

There are two more of MW, I guess he not only was friends of Kaine, but also of Terri's. And, the shine in his eye is very bright at times.

Just saying.

:D

Has anyone looked into friends of Kaines? There was something about one of them, did I read that here? Does anyone recall anything like that?

Yes, I remember that there were "2 tips" that he felt they immediately needed to have, and I heard that one was about her aunt and uncle's house in Helvetia, but I never heard what the other one was.

The other was the name of one of DeDe's close friends.

TY.

What is Dede's opinion of the MFH plot?

Does she think Terri is being railroaded by Kaine?

When they did those search warranats, there was someone that was un-named.

Wykes it is nice to "see" you again. (everyone look away for a moment) please check your email, will be sending you one shortly.

Found the 25 minute audio interview Kaine & Desiree gave - listening now
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/07/terri_hormans_emails_to_kyron.html

A couple of weeks following Terri's polygraphs in a press conference ... Staton stated in the affirmative that that Terri was cooperating with investigators.  However ... Desiree and Kaine implied otherwise.  Why?
Janet

++++++


Second Polygraph

Friend: Terri Moulton Horman to take another polygraph in Kyron Horman's disappearance
Published: Friday, June 18, 2010, 10:55 PM
Updated: Saturday, June 19, 2010, 9:16 AM

Jaymie Finster, a longtime friend, said Horman is "tired and frustrated with the intensity of the questioning she's been getting."

After taking one polygraph test, Finster said, Horman is taking another one Saturday and "she's not very happy about it." Finster has known Horman since they went to junior high in Roseburg and worked together in the Hillsboro School District, where Finster is a special ed teacher.

http://blogs.wweek.com/news/2010/07/09/kaine-horman-kyrons-stepmom-walked-out-on-polygraph/


Which is it?

Sheriff: Terri Horman being cooperative 38
Share By Anna Song KATU News and KATU.com Staff
Story Published: Jul 2, 2010 at 4:23 PM PDT

PORTLAND, Ore. - Terri Horman, the stepmother of missing 7-year-old Kyron Horman, has been fully cooperating with law enforcement, according to Multnomah County Sheriff Dan Staton during a news conference Friday.

Staton’s revelation comes a day after Kyron’s biological mother, Desiree Young, appealed to Terri during a brief public statement to cooperate in the investigation to find Kyron.

“We implore Terri Horman to fully cooperate with investigators to bring Kyron home,” she said.

“To date there has been no indication through our detectives or through our investigators that she’s been uncooperative,” Staton said during the news conference called because of the flood of media questions his office has received about the case.

http://www.katu.com/news/local/97705124.html


Family - Failed Polygraphs?

Family: Terri Horman failed polygraphs; 'she's lying'
Story Published: Jul 8, 2010 at 6:19 PM PDT
Story Updated: Jul 9, 2010 at 3:37 AM PDT

I’ve known her a long time. I know she’s lying,” Desiree said with Kyron’s father, Kaine Horman, standing by her side at a hotel in Beaverton.

“I think everyone knows she took two polygraphs,” Kaine said. “She has not passed those polygraphs.”

Desiree and Kaine said they also took polygraph tests and “passed with flying colors.”

The family once again said that Terri is still not cooperating with police.

“Terri is not taking an active role in finding Kyron,” Desiree said and reiterated her two previous pleas with Terri “to do the right thing” and cooperate.

http://www.katu.com/news/local/98077834.html


Kaine Horman answers KATU's questions
Story Published: Jul 16, 2010 at 10:53 PM PDT
Story Updated: Jul 17, 2010 at 10:06 AM PDT

KATU: Can you confirm that Terri walked out of the 2nd or 3rd polygraph tests?

Kaine: She took the first, went to take a second and walked out before the machine portion of the test could be administered, then went back 8-10 days later and completed a full test. This was information she shared openly with all friends, family, and law enforcement that were at the house at the time of the events.

http://www.katu.com/news/98654424.html

Do you mean after charges are filed "chain of custody".  Because I'm guessing - the property belongs to whoever first served/ordered the warrant until  charges are filed or the warrant is released or if dated; the time lapses. I'm guessing appeals can be written by the person it is seized from whether they are sucessfull would depend on alot of factors.

A different chain of custody would probably apply after charges are filed but the initiator would retain custody.

I am sure that property will be stripped and auctioned off if not claimed by the person it was seized from.  JMO - laymen's at that.

He was in a few pictures shown around a few weeks back. Some of us thought he was googly-eyed towards Terri, but Klaas informed us that he's just a friend of Kaine.

I'm sure this is not the friend Tracygal was talking about, but... don't know. He looks to me like the eternal "dirty-old-man". JMO.

He's married to a nice looking lady named Jennifer and has three kids. The lady with him on the pictures of Terri's birthday must've been MW's sister?

His first name is Michael, last is Wells.

All I know.

:D

No, I think what Puzzler wants to know, during the course of an investigation, when property is taken in as evidence, is there anything suggesting how long the state can hang onto that evidence after it's been checked out.

For example- someone's been stabbed, so they take into evidence a knife of someone.  The victim has 5" deep knife wounds, and the knife brought in is only 1" long.  Since it's obviously not the weapon, how long does the state have to hold that as evidence after they determined it's not involved?

DeDe thinks that the MFH plot is all bunk.  She can't figure out any logical reason that the LS would have concocted such a story, but perhaps anger that Terri rejected his advances?  Again, Terri has told DeDe that the LS made sexual advances toward her that she rebuffed him and called the police on him .  I am operating from the assumption that this is truth, but I don't know that it is.

I guess the LS is currently not findable by LE, and since the "sting" operation was a failure and the police have not arrested Terri, it's obvious that they don't have any hard evidence that it ever happened.

No, DeDe doesn't think Kaine is trying to "railroad" Terri.  He is only reacting to what police told him.  I do think it was interesting that he used the words "probable cause" in his application for the RO.  It implies that the police told him that THEY had probable cause to believe in this plot.  However, if they had probable cause, they would have arrested Terri.  I think a civilian using a legally significant phrase like that can mislead people reading about it.

Janet if I recall correctly this was a point that Rob had made

Is Rob his monkey name?

That is so sad and depressing to see little Kyron being unacknowledged.

Kyron’s Parents Describe Web of Deception from Stepmom (With Audio)
4:05 PM July 10th, 2010 by James Pitkin

For Desiree Young, it came down to the hair.

Shortly after her son, Kyron Horman, disappeared June 4, most of the missing 7-year-old’s family was in shock. There was one notable exception, Young says — Kyron’s stepmom, Terri Moulton Horman.

“She’s talking about her hair that she just got done, and they put highlights in, it turned out a little too orange,” Young recalled in a tape-recorded interview with WW Thursday evening. “I can’t get up every morning, put on my makeup or function even remotely normally, and she’s talking about going and getting her hair done.”

Terri Horman’s attorney, Stephen Houze, has told reporters neither he nor his client will comment on the case.

Young says she suspected Terri Horman may have been involved in Kyron’s disappearance from the moment the stepmom called her to tell her the boy was missing. And Horman’s behavior after the disappearance heightened those suspicions.

“Every single day, we’d wake up, we’d gather up, and we’d just go and start doing stuff (to help find Kyron). And she was always just kind of behind,” says Kyron’s father Kaine Horman, who also sat for the WW interview. “It wasn’t about, ‘what can we do?’ It’s about, ‘what’s being done to me, or what about me?’ It was just kind of more centered around her.”

Kaine Horman filed for divorce and a restraining order against Terri Horman on June 28, saying in court documents he believes she’s behind Kyron’s disappearance and an alleged plot to have Kaine Horman killed. He says she also failed two polygraphs and walked out of a third.

Kaine Horman says it was only after Kyron disappeared that he learned the extent of his marital problems. He says he found out Terri Horman had been complaining to friends behind his back for months about their marriage. But he says she rarely expressed those feelings to him.

“She would basically just internalize it and go to somebody else and go, ‘hey, here’s how I feel, our marriage is having problems,’ and just vent to other people, having this victim mentality of, I want you to see it my way, I want you to side with me,” Kaine Horman says. “But she didn’t ever talk to me about it.”

He also told WW Terri Horman suffered post-partum depression after the birth of their daughter 19 months ago and may have been hiding her condition.

Young and Horman say the full extent of Terri Horman’s deceptions wasn’t clear until after Kyron disappeared, when they and investigators began piecing the picture together in conversations with friends and acquaintances.

But Kaine Horman says he didn’t fully believe his wife could be behind Kyron’s disappearance until he learned about the alleged murder-for-hire plot. The Oregonian has reported Terri Horman offered to pay a landscaper to kill her husband six or seven months ago.

“I have no idea what she’s capable of, because she’s obviously done some horrible things or tried to do some horrible things that took us all by surprise,” Kaine Horman said.

Young says Terri Horman was a frequent liar about matters large and small.

“She can’t even tell the truth about her divorce or, you know, how she met Kaine, any of that,” Young says. “Silly little things. Stories about Kyron getting stung by a bee she can’t even tell the truth about.”

She says she suspects Terri Horman was untruthful in the first phone call to Young the day Kyron disappeared.

“Sometimes a mother’s instinct can be pretty accurate, but at the same time, (my suspicion) was factual-based,” she says. “I can’t give you details, but some of what she was saying didn’t match up with me. I’m familiar with the school, and I know how the school’s set up, and some of what she’s saying doesn’t make sense to me.”

Click here for an audio clip of Kaine Horman and Desiree Young discussing Terri Horman’s behavior after Kyron’s disappearance.

Audio:
http://blogs.wweek.com/news/2010/07/10/kyrons-parents-describe-web-of-deception-from-stepmom/

I think that in the beginning the police did not want to antagonize Terri, so she would be at ease and think she was fooling everyone... so she could make a mistake.

Well, that didn't work.

Flymonkey
 Are you a School Teacher?

Janet
nice to see you and your wonderfully,crazy file system

Yes

Nope, not a school teacher.

I am not sure if it is his real name but the name he used on SM. I have always appreciated Rob so much. I think his instints are spot in most cases.

Must go away for a little while.  Chat with you all later...

TY, Klaas.

I read his repost earlier.  He sounded like he has some interesting ideas.

FlyMonkey~

Thanks for your time and answers.

MK

Ditto from Tracygirl

Thanks :thumleft: Tamikosmom & Blonde - I've yet to find the specific convo I'm looking for though - it wasn't in the 25 min. tape recorded interview either - back to diggin' I suppose  ::MonkeyShovel::

Desiree states in the following interview that Kyron faced challenges in regards to listening.

Often a child with ADD is distracted easily and has difficulty focusing in a classroom environment that is not structured.  He/she has to be constantly directed back to the task at hand.

Janet

++++++


Transcript - Kaine and Desiree Interview

06-27-2010, 12:14 AM
Pandora

From this interview with Kaine & Desiree:

00:10 - When asked if Kyron has ever run away, both shake their heads No and D says, "No. He's too scared to."

00:28 - when asked if he has any fears, D responds, "Yeah. He is afraid of not having his glasses on and not being able to see very far in front of him so he always stays really close to the house."

00:51 - D "It was very important to him that he be okay with the divorce and that he be okay with everything else. And so we have always come together collectively to make the right decision for the family."

Reporter - The parents say that the media has reported things that aren't true. They try to avoid media, radio & tv. Kaine says he fears peoples theories.
 
00:1:14 - Kaine "Rather than focus on the investigation and how we can help, it starts to put my mind into his mind and what he could be going through. And, and that's a difficult place for a parent to go."

Reporter - Kyron likes to go to Red Robin for mac n' cheese. He also likes sushi. His mother says he has had Stranger Danger training, but she fears he might not sense danger.

01:36 - D "He's had some challenges at school with listening & following direction, and so of course we've had to talk to him about that, too, and part of that is listening to your elders, unfortunately."

01:52 - D "If someone came up to him and asked him to go with him, I can't say he wouldn't because its a stranger danger situation. I don't know that he would recognize that."

02:08 Reporter When asked if they've prepared themselves for whatever the outcome may be, they both answered No. (shaking heads)
 
02:15 - K "No. We're hopeful and that's ... we're not preparing ourselves. We're putting all of our energies into finding him and what I tell a lot of friends and family is we'll put the pieces of us back together after we find him."

Reporter - they say they stay strong in part because of a huge support system behind them

02:36 - K "They just come over. They come over to the house. They bring food. They bring their kids and just basically sit with us and try to help us cope with the situation."
 
Reporter - That caccoon is now protecting them from paralyzing thoughts as they focus on seeing their son alive again.
 
(Note reporter = Mike Donahue)

http://www.justicequest.net/forums/showpost.php?s=6843858f1e9d1b7107b3c4a88047ccdb&p=411558&postcount=32


Video

http://www.koinlocal6.com/content/mediacenter/default.aspx?videoId=16956@koin.web.entriq.net&navCatId=156

There is alot more at BOC regarding what I have posted before.  Blink was very forthcoming today regarding this.  Should you like to read more at her site.


http://blinkoncrime.com/2010/09/09/kyron-horman-missing-case-review-and-birthday-wishes-to-the-frog-prince/comment-page-17/#comments


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StormB says:
September 19, 2010 at 12:52 am

>I emphatically disagree that Terry took Kyron out of Skyline. If >there were a scintilla of evidence he left with her she would have >been charged with something.
>B

Indeed, if there were any EVIDENCE as to who took Kyron from school, the case would be solved. Absence such evidence, an examination of who could’ve taken him out may point ONLY to Terry. Who elso could’ve gotten Kyron out of school, or more likely got him to leave of his free will and w/o any disturbance?? not the landscaper or the landscaper’s buddy.

I respectfully disagree.
There is evidence of Kyron’s suspected departure from the school, it just has not been shared publicly.

Pay specific attention to Capt Gates from the Aug 12 press conf-

B

 dee says:
September 19, 2010 at 4:19 pm

Thank you, Idahogal for gathering and posting Blink’s comments…you read my mind.

It appears that Kyron left in an identical truck to Kaine’s and without the involvement of Terri. It appears that the abductors were those who had been hired and then fired in the MFH plot who wanted something for their trouble. Since Terri appears to have parked on the shoulder, abductor must have parked in the lot, watched her leave and then taken her spot on the shoulder.

To those who say that kids would know their own car, that’s true unless they are severely visually impaired, as I believe Kyron was/is. I can testify to this because I, myself, was diagnosed with severe myopia at age 7 after years of running smack into sliding glass doors and getting lost in public places. My parents had to watch me like a hawk because I had trouble recognizing people or cars from a distance. Abductor, who must have been familiar to Kyron, could have told Kyron Terri was in the truck with Kiara strapped in and sent him in to tell Kyron to come out to the truck for whatever reason. When Ky got close enough to see that Terri was not behind the wheel and realize it was the wrong truck, they could have simply pulled him in and taken off.

To those who ask why abductor would have taken Kyron, who was a stepson, rather than Kiara who was her biological child, I would ask you to consider that a landscaper or anyone outside of family, school and close friends would not likely know that Kyron was not her biological child. I can’t imagine sharing the biological provenance of my children with the man who cleans up my yard, even if I were sleeping with him in order to get him to kill my husband. I mean, I think, in her mind, this would have been a simple “quid pro quo” arrangement and not exactly the bonding of lifetime soulmates so I don’t think Kyron’s parentage would have ever come up. In the latin cultures, which I come from, the first born boy is the prize, not subsequent daughters.
http://blinkoncrime.com/2010/09/09/kyron-horman-missing-case-review-and-birthday-wishes-to-the-frog-prince/#comments


Remaining questions for Blink:

Why did both the teacher AND Kyron think that there was a doctor’s appointment that day (the latter according to Kyron’s seatmate’s testimony)? Kyron could have only gotten that info from Terri who later said the appointment was for the following week. It appears to be an obvious attempt on her part to obfuscate Kyron’s whereabouts that day. Why would she have done this if she were not involved in his disappearance?

Secondly, how would the abductor have known to obtain and bring an identical white truck if Terri had not told him that she would be driving the white truck that day? Since Terri usually drove the red mustang, why didn’t the abductor, who supposedly was no longer friendly with Terri, bring a red mustang instead?

I was wondering about this line.  After the discussion regarding the white truck and the red mustang on Sauvies Island.  No one has said it was definitely another white truck to my knowledge. 

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Friday at 1:58pm · 1 personLoading... ·
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Terri Horman Support Page ‎(LW) Not to my knowledge, Muser. You make an excellent point -- If he was supposedly at a Dr. Appointment, why did she say he might be in the restroom...?
Friday at 2:06pm ·

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Terri-Horman-Support-Page/131975590176118?v=wall&story_fbid=160062227338089

Possibly one mystery solved.  Is it possible LW is Liz Wenz?

I find it strange that the Mods on this page only use initials but so want to support TH and now DS.  Why don't they use their real names in support.   What are they afraid of?

Lazydog1 thank-you for bringing that over from Blinks, that really was interesting and have to say that is a possibility.

Blone~

It's on the bottom of page #2, post #39
Puzzler's repost of melisb's repost of Rob's.

Confused yet?

 ::MonkeyWink::

On DSSP they use their real names and are proud about it.  They state that we on forums who hate TH hide behind fake names....ha ha ha!  Wacka do Wacka do Wacka Do!

Sorry, BLONDE!

RE:  South Door


I found this:  http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/kyron_horman_chronology_of_eve.html (http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/kyron_horman_chronology_of_eve.html)

"8 a.m. Skyline Elementary, 11536 N.W. Skyline Blvd., opens early so students and parents can tour the science fair. A billboard outside reads: "June 4, I.B. Inquiry Expo, 8-10, Talent show, 1-2:45." Kyron was to take part in both the expo/science fair and the talent show.

Terri Moulton Horman arrives shortly afterward with her stepson, Kyron.

8:15 a.m. Gina Zimmerman, president of the school PTA, arrives and sees Kyron with his stepmother in front of his exhibit.

8:45 a.m. Terri Horman leaves after watching Kyron walk toward his classroom after touring the science fair.

9 a.m. Kyron is reportedly seen by a student near the south entrance of the school, according to Sheriff Dan Staton, who says that was the last time the boy was seen. Multnomah County authorities later backtrack on that statement.

10 a.m. Classes begin . . . ."



I think this is where we got the 'south door' info  I don't know when authorities backtracked on that statement but they later said Terri was the last one to see Kyron.   I think here they are talking about Tanner' statement. But Tanner last saw Kyron going up the stairs to find the elec exhibit as Tanner passed him while he went down the stairs.


Could it be the reason LE later said Terri was the last one to see Kyron from INSIDE the school is they had just learned Terri was seen hiding in that stairwell?  That would have been at 8:45 and the second bell, right?   


Figuring this out could almost drive a nice lady to have a glass of vino late on a Sunday afternoon   ::monkeywine2::   LOL

(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k121/belladonna0956/-fc2de5cf6e020dfd_custom_665xauto.jpg)

For some reason, this photo has always disturbed me.  The FBI seems to be walking straight past this group of individuals.

Hello MK "See I can use initials too" ok so where is this picture from? I agree they are just walking right past them not even paying attention.  But then no way of knowing who is keeping an eye on them that we can't see in the background. 

Oh an Hi everyone been back and forth on here and my other forum trying to keep up on both.
Also taking care of the fur kids which is harder and moe labor intense with the rainy weather now.

Will hang as long as I can. Please don't be offended if I just post links to things I find and don't follow up with some kind of words as to why.  Just means I am getting info and needing to go do something else.  ::piggy::

Don't ask me for the link because I don't have it but wayyyyy in the beginning there was a comment made that Kyron was seen by the fence and he was alone. Anyone recall that?

Who is that?  The school workers?  Landscape/custodians/etc?

Ya got me! 

This was posted on another forum I belong to.  No sure of the source.

 ::HelloKitty::

here is another page people can like.  Kyron needs more support than TH

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Kyron-Horman-Support-Page/160350640644361?v=wall

That's the Plainview Store on Cornelius Pass Rd, intersecting right there with Skyline

 ::HelloKitty::

Can someone explain why Terri did not go get the project?

She said that she was going to show it to Desiree.  She emailed the teacher at 1:00.

So why didn't she hop in the truck and pick Kyron and the project up after school?

Does this make a tiny bit of sense to anyone?

Nope, I don't recall that at all.  There has been so much misinformation posted it's hard to keep track.

As a matter of record relating to my above post, I think this article on Aug 25th is where we first learn that Terri is said to be the last one to have seen Kyron:
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/08/terri_moulton_horman_creates_s.html (http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/08/terri_moulton_horman_creates_s.html)

"Kyron was last seen June 4 at Skyline School after Terri Horman took him to school. She is the last known person to have seen the boy, telling authorities she saw him walking down the hallway to his class about 8:45 a.m".

This is from an update of an article dated the same day.


If there is an earlier link to Terri being the last to see Kyron I have missed it.  xox

Didn't hear that one, but I came into the case a few weeks into it...would "love" to know more about that if anyone knows anything.

MK - who are you responding to?  If it's about Kyron by the fence, is it possible for you to do a search on that other forum and find the posting?  Please?

Thank you, I wasn't sure of the location. 

I believe it was in a news article that was posted on sm wayyyy long ago. It was a comment made to a reporter by someone? When I first read it was said to have been in the morning sometime,  then it changed to 2.

I am all over the place too ..back and forth in and out of the cage...

The guys walking in the parking lot, FBI walking past them.
Is the guy holding " Corona Beer" he has a bag of chips and looks like 1/2 a 12 pack cans
Corona box ??? I can only see what everyone else sees and It appears to be a Corona box??
looks like a pack of Marboro's or Newports, chips/nuts and Brews ..that he is carrying.
I guess that would omit the photo being at Kyron's school ..before/middle/after its open/closed.
They would be busted for beer. Cannot figure out what that building could be. Looks like a old rotten house..the windows are very big..if it were for storage it would not be very secure. State land? Is that building an old rest area? ???

Def what ever building that is " the speed bumps are there for a reason" Possibly a pickup and drop off area for People? Looks like a no parking or - No Standing Parking sign beyond this point Sign with a time zone noted. Maybe they are not actually walking. But standing waiting for a ride. The camera happened to snap right when the one guy's leg is out ..so it appears they are moving. When they are not. They are standing.  ??

Got it - they are coming out of a store .. that's an ode store ..

Thanks who just posted that.

Puzzler~

I was responding to fatcatlurker- sorry for the confusion.  I will go look in a couple of places, although I haven't seen anything like the statement about the fence previously.

If you need to reach me, I left my email on one of the last pages in the last thread~
MK

It's weird to me that the person who owns this property is not returning calls to DeDe's lawyer per Flymonkey.  And I wonder if DeDe and the detective that Flymonkey referred to in her posting of walking the property and thru her day walked the same path as this witness/coworker who according to this article searched for DeDe that day at this crucial time and couldn't find her anywhere.  Or did she just yell or is that what DeDe thinks is going on?  hmmm.

http://www.kgw.com/home/DeDe-Spicher-99077874.html


The person who owns the house, who is cooperating with investigators, told them she called Spicher on her cell phone but she didn't answer, the source told KGW. A person who was working with Spicher, who is also cooperating with investigators, told them of trying to unsuccessfully find Spicher. Both people have told investigators they have no idea where Spicher was during that period.

Excuse me for my rant here for a moment, but have to get this off my chest.  I stopped at page 10 and attempted to go to bed, but lied there thinking of this case, as so many others and I began to allow it to make me truly sick to my stomach.  I try so hard to keep up, not posting much,as you all represent my feelings so well, as usual.  I also don't post much anymore, as I have other things going on personally, since I had my heart attack, suffered severe depression,then had a niece 35 yo  (daughter, since her mother abondended her as infant), who had a premie in April, when he was due Sept 13th, born at barely a lb., though I am happy to report he is finally out and about  7 lbs now, Thank the Lord but his future is still unknown.  I do not say all this for my own pity party or seeking sympathy, as I am truly blessed.  I have two grown daughters, and an 7 yr old grandson, about Kyron's age.  I say this, due to the fact, that these people who are all involved, truly believe these children are indespensable?  I read and read here about all the cases and have since 2005, when it all began over Natalee.  Well, I am truly pissed!  I am sick of these innocent children disappearing and being destroyed and hurt by there own family!!  I mean WTF????   There are too many innocent children out there, who need a good home and these cases involve children, who under most circumtances, appear to have a great homes and families, but at there own expense are thrown to the wolves to benefit these so called caring adults??!!!  Then,  you have even more adult idiots, climbing out of the woodwork, who defend these so called caring adults, for there own 15 minutes of fame?  Well I am freakin' sick of it.  Damn these people to hell!  I've been here 5 yrs. and read, only to pray there is one small way I can help, even though, there is not much I can do, but would jump at one small chance, if I could.  After 5 yrs. and so many new and more sickening cases, is truly getting to me, but I cannot give up.  I am an adult!  I have to prevail and stay strong for these innocent children, I have never met, but feel I know and love as one of my own, as many of you do.   But damn these adults who come on here do defend another adult, as if there interest is more important to protect than the child missing.  SCREW DEDE, TERRI and her friend, who feels it is more important that DEDE's reputation is sustained, than putting more effort in finding Kyron!  I WILL ASK, as it has been asked so many times before,
WHERE IN THE HELL IS KYRON!!! BRING HIM HOME, DAMN IT!  QUIT SCREWING AROUND and PLAYING GAMES, cause it freakin funny!!!!

Ok, sorry, for the rant, but I am so PO"D at these so called ADULTS, with there so called "CONCERN", with there wrong intentions!  AAARRRGHH!

Ok, got that off my chest and going to try and get some sleep now. Sorry for the interruption.  God Bless all the caring and investigative monkeys for all the contributions and what has kept me here so long.  You are all truly special! 

Good night and God bless you all!

 :smt041 :smt023 Dihanna ::MonkeyCheer3::

 ::rhino::  I 2nd Dihanna your Emotion ... I agree with You

::MonkeyAngel:: Good to see you Posting
 ::MonkeyHeart:: ~ For Kyron

Parent-led groups of about four students walked among the classrooms, said Gina Zimmerman, president of the Skyline PTA.

"You were supposed to stay with your group," Zimmerman said. "I don't know what group he was in."

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/search_for_missing_portland_bo.html

Thanks Monkey King, That's a little 'keeper' of a link.  I guess this woman didn't realize Kyron never made it back to his classroom to get in his group as he evidently was distracted by someone and then disappeared      ::MonkeyNoNo::

No links to the FB pages~
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=106082&page=11

Kids on FB are discussing this case. They claim that there was a "creepy" man at the school walking around by himself. They also said that the school was open for people to come and go.

::MonkeyDance::Oh Dihannah1, Thank you for this great post!

Dihannah thank you for getting that off my chest too!   

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/still_no_trace_of_kyron_horman.html
Still no trace of Kyron Horman as police, FBI conclude third day of search
Published: Sunday, June 06, 2010, 10:00 PM     Updated: Friday, June 18, 2010, 5:20 PM

snipped from link
A Facebook page dedicated to Kyron also was launched.

where is this facebook pg?

At the Plainview Grocery, just downhill from the school, a flier about the missing boy remains propped against the cash register.

A lunchtime visitor asked owner Dave Linden, "Is this the boy that went missing?"

Linden nodded solemnly. The shopper, a woman wearing a soggy blue fleece jacket, stooped to peer at the boy wearing a proud smile, a photo taken on the day Kyron Harmon went missing:

"Let me take a close look so I know who to look for," she said, before heading to her truck.

is this the same store?

Exactly NO LINK.  Is it Terri's facebook?  Do we ask the wolf what happened to the hen?  I'm so tired of the BS I could scream!

Dihannah - I'm with you.  These adults need to get over themselves and whoever has Kyron or has done something with Kyron needs to step forward.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

Hi,  I can't find a timely link to Blink on Crime and am looking for the latest posts there.  Thanks for the help  xox

I do like this statement;


http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/09/new_strategy_in_kyron_horman_c.html

"The numbers are the same, but the distribution of resources is much broader," Staton said. "All this information has been compiled, a lot of questions have been answered. We're now focusing on what we have collected and targeting those areas to help the district attorney's office to develop a case that they can prosecute successfully."

Blink hasn't done a new article on the Kyron case for a while but people continue to post comments here:

http://blinkoncrime.com/2010/08/26/kyron-horman-case-terri-horman-attorneys-call-her-a-suspect/ (http://blinkoncrime.com/2010/08/26/kyron-horman-case-terri-horman-attorneys-call-her-a-suspect/)

I know Klaas, this case has generated so much BS.

I found you a new avi when you decided to let loose:
(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k121/belladonna0956/kong/gor-1.jpg)

Everybody! Run for the hills!!  :)

Sorry about that as I found a link 2 pages back   ::MonkeyJnBox::

http://www.katu.com/news/95702034.html

By Margy Lynch, Meghan Kalkstein, KATU News and KATU.com Staff
Story Published: Jun 5, 2010 at 6:37 PM PDT
Story Updated: Jun 5, 2010 at 8:12 PM PDT

Infrared, grid search still turn up no sign of missing Skyline boy

Nearly two days after the 7 year old is believed to have gone missing from Skyline Elementary School in rural Northwest Portland, investigators are still trying to figure out what happened to the smiling second grader after he was last seen here Friday morning.

An entire night and full day has passed since 8:45 a.m. Friday morning when Kyron's step mom says she last saw the boy after taking him through a science fair at school and sent him off to class. His teachers say he never checked in.

Now searchers look through tall grass, from the air and on foot, for any sign of the little boy. The FBI has now joined the search, as has the National Guard. Using an infrared system, heat detection and a search pattern grid to not miss an inch, searchers have completely searched an area of about two miles surrounding the school.

Well I just sent an email to a certain "news" agency to see if we can get an answer to the question:  Is Rudy Sanchez still around?  I will let you know if/when I hear anything back......

This is JMO but I think DS is less than truthful, like her pal TH. I think she is one of the spreaders of misinformation.  ::MonkeyShovel:: I think DS thinks by stating her vehicle was at the property at all times she is being slick. She may have had a visitor, may have been picked up, or done any number of things within a 3 hr. period. Only DS says her time is accounted for, but there is no one to corroborate this. And what about that mularkey that was being spread a while back that she was at some gardening class? More BS spread by DS to deliberately muddy the waters.

Probably wasn't assigned to a group since he had a "doctor's appointment".

Here is the most current link for Kyron at Blink on Crime.

http://blinkoncrime.com/2010/09/09/kyron-horman-missing-case-review-and-birthday-wishes-to-the-frog-prince/comment-page-17/#comments

Yes I remember the gardening class now.  The spin is coming out.  I think TH & DS are both lying about their time and what happened that day.  I'm very glad that this property owner and the coworker are both cooperating with LE.  DS did state that she talked to someone but she can't seem to remember who that person was....lie lie lie.  JMO.