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Missing Persons - High Profile => Kyron Horman - Portland Oregon => Topic started by: sackyattack on September 13, 2010, 10:05:15 AM



Title: Rudy Sanchez alleged murder for hire
Post by: sackyattack on September 13, 2010, 10:05:15 AM
i have started this post in an attempt to rule in or rule out rudy sanchez in the disapearance of kyron horman. i would like to see what information we have on him and his relationship with terri horman. i understand that we have opinions but i would also like to keep the topic from going off on too much speculation that has no basis in fact and that a normal person wouldnt conclude. my next post is an explanation of my quoting sources and what constitutes a reliable source in my opinion.


Title: Re: Rudy Sanchez alleged murder for hire
Post by: sackyattack on September 13, 2010, 10:05:54 AM
I only researched online papers that I thought would use reliable sources, and check “tips” several times for confirmation before printing an article.  I used to work in a paper (not online paper) and we never printed without being reasonably sure of the source or information. Because of this I have researched based on my best belief of the reliability of several online newspapers in the oregon area, this is just my feeling about these papers, and others are not included either because I believe they would perhaps print sensational stories without necessarily having confirmation, or that I am not aware of all the newspapers/tv stations in the oregon area. I have never lived in oregon and so I don’t have anyway to personally say, I have read this paper for years and they have proven themselves accurate. I am saying though that they appear to think the same way I do.

Reliable sources:
http://www.kgw.com/community/blogs/reporters-blog/Naming-sources-on-Kyron-Horman-coverage-98444134.html

Naming sources on Kyron Horman coverage
by Rod Gramer
Posted on July 14, 2010 at 12:52 PM
Updated Wednesday, Jul 14 at 1:44 PM
Some users of KGW.com have wondered about our use of a “reliable source” for information in the Kyron Horman investigation. For example, one person wrote that it appeared that KGW had risked its journalistic integrity or perhaps was using a Tabloid-style of reporting to get a scoop in the case.
I want to assure you that we would never do anything to violate our journalistic ethics, especially to "get a scoop."
We do not use anonymous sources lightly at KGW NewsChannel 8. We believe that in 99.9 percent of the cases our sources should be named and go on camera. But there are rare exceptions when we need to use a reliable source whom we cannot identify to get information to you, the public.
We only use these sources when we know that they can provide us with accurate and reliable information.
I realize that by doing this we are asking you, our viewers and web users, to trust us. We work hard every day to build a reservoir of trust with our news consumers. Over the years we hope that you would agree that we have earned your trust. It is at times like this, when we have to rely on unidentified sources, that we tap that reservoir of trust.
The Kyron Horman case is an important story. Our reliable source has been able to provide crucial and accurate information that helps explain what is happening with the case. Our pledge to you is that we will continue to apply the highest journalistic standards and ethics as we pursue this story.
Our hope is that you will continue to put your trust in our reporting.
Rod Gramer
Executive News Director
KGW NewsChannel 8



Title: Re: Rudy Sanchez alleged murder for hire
Post by: sackyattack on September 13, 2010, 10:08:23 AM
this is the first time i heard rudy sanchez identified as the source of the murder for hire
http://www.kgw.com/news/Hormanprobelatest-97771724.html
excerpt:
Later that day, Kaine was told by investigators that she had plotted against him. He was also told "if she did it once, there's a chance she did it other times and we're investigating that possibility," according to a source close to the investigation.
That night Kaine took their 19-month-old daughter and moved out.
According to sources, Terri Horman had talked to the landscaper about being in a bad marriage and had claimed that Kaine had "hurt" her emotionally.
The Oregonian first reported the murder-for-hire plot Sunday morning. KGW independently confirmed the report through a reliable source.
The landscaper - whom Terri had hired to do work last November without Kaine's knowledge - came forward to investigators as they reached out to everyone that they could find who had had contact with the family. While he said he had no intention of carrying out the plot, he did believe that he would be getting something from Terri.
"She led him on," sources said.
Police records showed that Terri made two calls to 911 on the night of June 26. The first time, at 5:17PM, was recorded as being related to "threats" and the second time, at 11:39PM, which was recorded as a "custody" issue and was made after it was clear to her that Kaine and their daughter were not returning...


Title: Re: Rudy Sanchez alleged murder for hire
Post by: sackyattack on September 13, 2010, 10:15:02 AM
http://www.katu.com/news/local/97767249.html


PORTLAND, Ore. – Terri Horman, the stepmother of Kyron Horman missing since June 4, attempted to hire a man to kill her husband, according to a report on The Oregonian's website.
The report has been independently confirmed by a KATU News reporter's source.Terri Horman reportedly approached a landscaper she had hired and offered him money to kill Kaine Horman, her husband. The incident took place approximately six months ago, according to The Oregonian.
The name of the landscaper allegedly involved in the plot has not been released. Terri Horman has not been charged with any crime.
In late-June, Kaine Horman abruptly moved out of the family home and took the couple's toddler daughter with him. He then filed for divorce from Terri and also was granted a restraining order. In official police documents, his new address was not disclosed.
A few days later, Terri Horman hired a high-profile defense attorney.
Two calls to police from the Hormans were logged on June 26, police said. The exact nature of the calls has not been released. However, one reportedly was related to a custody dispute. The recordings of the 9-1-1 calls have not been released by police.
Terri Horman has come under increasing scrutiny after Kyron, age 7, seemed to vanish from his small school on the outskirts of Portland just more than a month ago. Terri claims she dropped the second-grader off at Skyline School for a science fair and saw him walking to class. He was marked absent for the first class of the day.
Kyron was not reported as missing until nearly 8 hours later, when he failed to exit a school bus taking children home. The failure of the school to call the Hormans after Kyron was marked absent prompted a district-wide revision in procedures by the Portland Public Schools.
 More stories involving Terri Horman
 The search for Kyron Horman
Despite a massive search and thousands of tips, the 7 year old has not been found.
This past Thursday, July 1, Desiree Young – Kyron's biological mother – read a public statement imploring Terri to assist in the investigation.
At a news conference Friday, July 2, Multnomah County Sheriff Dan Stanton told reporters that despite their exhaustive efforts, no credible sightings of the child had been reported.
Stanton did not make any mention of the alleged murder-for-hire plot involving Terri Horman but did say she was cooperating with the investigation.
We will continue to update this story as more information becomes available


Title: Re: Rudy Sanchez alleged murder for hire
Post by: sackyattack on September 13, 2010, 10:16:45 AM
http://www.kgw.com/news/kyron-horman/Second-grade-student-missing-from-Skyline-Elementary-95670454.html

excerpt: Police were prepared to arrest Terri Horman on June 26 for plotting to kill her husband, KGW has learned from a reliable source.
On June 26th, the landscaper, who is cooperating with authorities and was wearing a wire, met with Terri and an undercover officer. Police were prepared to arrest her if she implicated herself but Terri cut the conversation short.
Later that day, Kaine was told that she had plotted against him and took their 19-month-old daughter and moved out.
The source told KGW that Terri approached a landscaper who had been working on their property in Northwest Portland and asked him if he would kill her husband for "a large sum of money."
Kaine Horman learned of the plot from investigators who said she may have tried to hire other people, too, according to sources familiar with the conversation. Terri said she was in a bad marriage and claimed that Kaine had "hurt" her, according to the sources. The Oregonian first reported the plot Sunday morning. KGW independently confirmed the report through a source close to the investigation



Title: Re: Rudy Sanchez alleged murder for hire
Post by: sackyattack on September 13, 2010, 10:23:56 AM
http://www.kgw.com/news/Court-doc-Kaine-Terri-Horman-kyron-horman-contempt-sexting-98270654.html
Excerpt: Similarities to Murder-for-Hire plot
Monday's court filing also stated that police had told Kaine that Terri's "sexual overtures to Mr. Cook resemble those made to the man Respondent (Terri Horman) attempted to hire to murder Petitioner (Kaine)."
In the original restraining order filing, Kaine stated that police had told him Terri had tried to hire a landscaper to kill Kaine.
(italics are sackyattack)this states it was in a court filing so we can reasonably conclude it is backed up by evidence
Excerpt: The motion also states police told Kaine that Terri exchanged hundred of text messages with Cook and several photographs of Terri Horman "in various stages of undress and graphic sexual activity." According to the filing, the "sexual nature" of the relationship between Cook and Terri Horman began on or about June 30, four days after Kaine Horman moved out of the family's Northwest Portland home.
i think we can conclude that th had a relationship with rs



Title: Re: Rudy Sanchez alleged murder for hire
Post by: sackyattack on September 13, 2010, 10:25:33 AM
http://blinkoncrime.com/category/kyron-horman/rudy-sanchez/
Excerpt: Of particular interest, is source confirmation that the landscaper Terri Horman hired last fall, who worked on the Horman property, had met Kyron at the residence as well as the Skyline School, where his firm had been contracted to do some work.
Rudy Sanchez, of RS Landscape Maintenance since 2008 has told MCSO that Terri Horman attempted to hire him in a murder for hire plot against her husband Kaine. Sanchez then agreed to participate in a surreptitious sting that included a body wire...


Title: Re: Rudy Sanchez alleged murder for hire
Post by: sackyattack on September 13, 2010, 10:28:15 AM
http://blinkoncrime.com/2010/09/09/kyron-horman-missing-case-review-and-birthday-wishes-to-the-frog-prince/
Speaking on the condition of anonymity, a close family friend who has since been interviewed by the FBI, has confirmed that Terri Horman is pointing her finger directly at Sanchez. She has also stated that she and Sanchez had an altercation after she attempted to end their relationship in May  which ended in a 911 call and a visit from Clackamas County Sheriff Office in the presence of Sanchez’s wife and children.


Title: Re: Rudy Sanchez alleged murder for hire
Post by: sackyattack on September 13, 2010, 10:30:43 AM
Rodolfo “Rudy” Estrada Sanchez
http://blinkoncrime.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/Sanchez_201.jpghttp://blinkoncrime.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/Sanchez_201.jpg
Rudy is the owner of RS Landscape Maintenance and the alleged former landscaper/ love interest of Terri Horman. He is also the man who says Terri Horman asked him to murder her husband Kaine late last year. Investigators clearly believed his story as it was the basis for an attempted sting on June 26th by MCSO including an undercover DEA agent. Sanchez, wearing a wire, demanded a $10,000 payment from Horman for services rendered, except Kaine was very much alive. As the information gleaned from Sanchez provided to Kaine Horman indicates this alleged “contract”discussion with his wife happened over 7 months ago, it is unclear what the payment demand could actually be for. Sanchez testified before the grand jury on August 4. While the content of his testimony is secret, the fact that whatever he testified to outside of pleading the “On the advice of counsel I plead the 5th and hereby assert all of it’s protections.” grants him a level of immunity, in addition to whatever he may or may not have already been granted by the District Attorney.
When reached at one of the numbers records show is billed in his brothers name, Jaime Estrada Sanchez, who uses the name Jaime Estrada on his carpet cleaning business website declined to comment to blinkoncrime.com and the number has since been disconnected.
Speaking on the condition of anonymity, a close family friend who has since been interviewed by the FBI, has confirmed that Terri Horman is pointing her finger directly at Sanchez. She has also stated that she and Sanchez had an altercation after she attempted to end their relationship in May which ended in a 911 call and a visit from Clackamas County Sheriff Office in the presence of Sanchez’s wife and children. While it did not result in any charges, Horman told the source that the landscaper was furious with her because he is not in the US legally. While blinkoncrime.com has not been able to verify the date of the alleged 911 call, we have been able to verify that Terri called her Mother immediately following the incident and told her that Kaine had found out about the landscaper she hired to do what she referred to as “her yardwork” and when she informed him that she could no longer use him because Kaine was making her fire him, he lunged at her with Kiara in her arms. Kaine Horman denies the couple ever hired the landscaper as well as any previous information as to his estranged wife’s possible dealings with Sanchez.
It should be noted that Mr. Sanchez has not been charged with any crime in this matter and local references to his business are highly complimentary. In fact, Jean Ann Van Krevelen a friend and “mentor” of Dede Spicher has used RS Landscape Maintenance on a few occasions, leaving positive reviews on the ServiceMaster listing which deleted his business from the site on 6/21/10. Heather Walters, owner of Rosemont Farm,which is not West Wind Farm, where Dede Spicher was working the morning of June 4th and out of reach by phone from approximately 90 minutes, has never met Terri Horman or heard of their family prior to Kyron’s disappearance. When I asked her if she knew Rudy Sanchez or if she ever hired his firm to work at WWF, she replied “not that I recall, no, but we did have a blackberry clean up a few years ago so it is possible.”


Title: Re: Rudy Sanchez alleged murder for hire
Post by: sackyattack on September 13, 2010, 10:31:59 AM
trying to get info on one thread to see what we have. i will link recent posts from kyron thread that are related if thats ok'


Title: Re: Rudy Sanchez alleged murder for hire
Post by: sackyattack on September 13, 2010, 11:40:20 AM

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8508.20
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« Reply #36 on: September 12, 2010, 08:24:39 PM
Quote from: sassifrass on September 12, 2010, 08:18:36 PM
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Quote from: sassifrass on September 12, 2010, 07:41:05 PM
sorry. just poke in every once in a while. Guess you moved on. IMO he has nothing to do with Kyron being missing. JMO.

Sass - who doesn't? If Terri did have an affair or if she did try to hire the LS to kill Kaine then maybe he doesn't know where Kyron is but he may have information.

Sorry again, doing stuff. I was referring to RS. IMO he was one of Terri's victims that she preyed on. I believe he was naive and TH knew it. As far as him being involved, I don't for one moment believe he has anything to do with it. As far as info? I think if he knew anything, Kyron would be home already. He's just a patsy in TH's web of schemes. JMO

Yes but the MFH plot does pertain to Terri's thought process and he may know things about what Terri was thinking about doing.



Again, IMO I don't believe she is that stupid. She is cold and calculating, and that is precisely why we haven't found Kyron yet. She's planned this for quite a while and she did it with precision. I'm not giving her credit on smarts, but she had a plan and she carried it out. To me that says few to no witnesses except the ones she can keep under control. The people that believe in their heart that SHE is the victim. JMO

THERE WAS A MURDER FOR HIRE PLOT or request by Terri. RS or someone at his company is involved with that part. If the MFH fell through then Terri may have gone to PLAN B (get rid of Kyron).

I think the MFH plot and anyone involved does need to be looked into at the same time we try and figure out what Terri did with Kyron



Title: Re: Rudy Sanchez alleged murder for hire
Post by: sackyattack on September 13, 2010, 11:41:54 AM
i cant copy paste quotes from the kyron folder without losing the box's so i am just going to provide a page with resp # links to those pages


Title: Re: Rudy Sanchez alleged murder for hire
Post by: sackyattack on September 13, 2010, 12:16:15 PM
References to rudy sanchez/murder for hire posted in kyron horman  folder #28 9/12/2010

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8508.0
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Title: Re: Rudy Sanchez alleged murder for hire
Post by: sackyattack on September 13, 2010, 12:25:11 PM
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8508.100
« Reply #100 on: September 13, 2010, 10:29:54 AM »
Below are additional posts from Blink’s site:

http://blinkoncrime.com/2010/09/09/kyron-horman-missing-case-review-and-birthday-wishes-to-the-frog-prince/


1. enumclawrose says:
September 13, 2010 at 1:48 am
The Oregon Secretary of State Corporation Division shows license #300176-93 for Sanchez Nursery Sales, 955 S Pacific Hwy, Woodburn, OR 97071. The authorized representative on file is Maria G. Sanchez and the representative is Ubaldo Sanchez, with with the same address. This is Elsy Sanchez’s address on the missing kids poster.
If Ubaldo and Maria are married, then who is Elsy married to? Maybe Maria is mother or sister to Ubaldo, I don’t know. I guess we can’t assume the missing Sanchez children are Ubaldo’s as much as we can’t assume the are Rudy’s. I think it is too soon to cross these people off the list.
Everytime I post the link to OR Sec.of State, my post gets lost. If you go to egov.sos.state.or.us and search for Sanches Nursery sales you should be able to find it. I also did an Oregon Dept. of Agriculture search on the nursery license, but the server has been busy all day.

1. enumclawrose says:
September 13, 2010 at 2:35 am
Sorry for the typo’s on my last two posts. Here’s the Sanchez Nursery License information:
http://oda.state.or.us/dbs/licenses/view.lasso?&division=nursery&key=AG-L0170990ND
Address SANCHEZ NURSERY SALES LLC
WOODBURN, OR 97071
County Marion
Fax 503/982-1362
License Number AG-L0170990ND
License Status Active
Expiration Date 06/30/2011
License Type Nursery Dealers, Florists and Landscapers
_______________________________________________________
300176-93 ABN ACT 07-15-2005 07-15-2011
Entity Name SANCHEZ NURSERY SALES
Foreign Name
Affidavit? N
New Search Printer Friendly Associated Names
Type PPB PRINCIPAL PLACE OF BUSINESS
Addr 1 955 S PACIFIC HWY
Addr 2
CSZ WOODBURN OR 97071 Country UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
The Authorized Representative address is the mailing address for this business.
Type REP AUTHORIZED REPRESENTATIVE Start Date 09-23-2008 Resign Date
Name MARIA G SANCHEZ
Addr 1 955 S PACIFIC HWY
Addr 2
CSZ WOODBURN OR 97071 Country UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
Type REG REGISTRANT
Name UBALDO SANCHEZ
Addr 1 955 S PACIFIC HWY
Addr 2
CSZ WOODBURN OR 97071 Country UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
New Search Printer Friendly Name History
Business Entity Name Name Type Name Status Start Date End Date
SANCHEZ NURSERY SALES EN CUR 07-15-2005
Please read before ordering Copies.
New Search Printer Friendly Summary History
Image Date Action Transaction Date Effective Date Status Name/Agent Change Dissolved By
06-17-2009 RENEWAL OF REGISTRATION 06-17-2009 FI
09-23-2008 AMENDMENT OF REGISTRATION 09-23-2008 FI Representative
07-03-2007 RENEWAL OF REGISTRATION 07-03-2007 FI
07-15-2005 APPLICATION FOR REGISTRATION 07-15-2005 FI Representative
New Search Printer Friendly Counties
Counties Filed
All Counties Filed.
Above is the information from the Secretary of State License.

1. enumclawrose says:
September 13, 2010 at 4:41 am
http://apps.co.marion.or.us/PropertyRecords/PropertySummary.aspx?pid=R13963
955 S Pacific Hwy., Woodburn OR 97071 is owned by Maria and Ubaldo F Sanchez
Their address is 459 4th Street, Woodburn OR 97071
955 S Pacific is listed as a nursery, (go to zillow for a picture) but it also has a single family residence. Perhaps Ubaldo and Maria rented this to Elsy and her husband?
The missing children connected to the Pacific Hwy address, and my guess is that Elsy is not Ubaldo’s wife, Maria is, if you look at how the registration reads. (Example Maria & Ubaldo Sanchez, wife and husband OR Maria Sanchez and Ubaldo Sanchez, sister & brother, mother and son).
This Ubaldo has the middle initial “F” but the Ubaldo related to Rudy Sanchez on the radaris search by Ode has the middle initial R. This could be a typo (look where your R and F are on your keyboard).
I think Sanchez is a common name, but how common is Ubaldo? Who is the father of Ubaldo (notice no Jr. after this name) and Jamie? Why did Elsy leave?

1. Midwest Mom says:
September 13, 2010 at 8:52 am
puzzled says:
September 13, 2010 at 3:08 am
According to Blink …
Rudy is the owner of RS Landscape Maintenance and one of the numbers records show is billed in his brothers name, Jaime Estrada Sanchez, who uses the name Jaime Estrada on his carpet cleaning business website.
UBALDO SANCHEZ of 955 S PACIFIC HWY WOODBURN, OR 97071 is dba SANCHEZ NURSERY
The two missing Sanchez children are named Jamie (age 5) and Ubaldo (age 1) and they were living at the 955 S Pacific Hwy address.
Could it be that these two children were born in the US and issued SS#’s which are now being used by adult Jamie Estrada Sanchez and adult Ubaldo Sanchez?
Perhaps this is why there is a a felony warrant for the mother, in an effort to pick her up and verify the identites of the children vs adult males.
__________________________________
Wow, very good point, I know of people who have used their kids identities for credit because theirs was messed up..how do people even come up with these things? If they would only use their creativity for something positive.. sheeesh.

Elsy the daughter of Maria and Ubaldo?




Title: Re: Rudy Sanchez alleged murder for hire
Post by: sackyattack on September 13, 2010, 12:48:21 PM
http://www.kgw.com/news/kyron-horman/Second-grade-student-missing-from-Skyline-Elementary-95670454.html

excerpt: Police were prepared to arrest Terri Horman on June 26 for plotting to kill her husband, KGW has learned from a reliable source.
On June 26th, the landscaper, who is cooperating with authorities and was wearing a wire, met with Terri and an undercover officer. Police were prepared to arrest her if she implicated herself but Terri cut the conversation short.
Later that day, Kaine was told that she had plotted against him and took their 19-month-old daughter and moved out.
The source told KGW that Terri approached a landscaper who had been working on their property in Northwest Portland and asked him if he would kill her husband for "a large sum of money."
Kaine Horman learned of the plot from investigators who said she may have tried to hire other people, too, according to sources familiar with the conversation. Terri said she was in a bad marriage and claimed that Kaine had "hurt" her, according to the sources. The Oregonian first reported the plot Sunday morning. KGW independently confirmed the report through a source close to the investigation


related article:
http://www.kgw.com/news/Hormanprobelatest-97771724.html
excerpt:
Later that day, Kaine was told by investigators that she had plotted against him. He was also told "if she did it once, there's a chance she did it other times and we're investigating that possibility," according to a source close to the investigation.
That night Kaine took their 19-month-old daughter and moved out.
According to sources, Terri Horman had talked to the landscaper about being in a bad marriage and had claimed that Kaine had "hurt" her emotionally.The Oregonian first reported the murder-for-hire plot Sunday morning. KGW independently confirmed the report through a reliable source.


Title: Re: Rudy Sanchez alleged murder for hire
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 13, 2010, 05:01:28 PM
The Failed Sting

The failed sting convinces me that investigators only had the heresay of the landscaper in regards to the MFH plot and ... Terri's recorded admission was required.

Janet

+++++

Search for Kyron Horman Complicated by Botched Sting on Terri Horman
July 8, 2010


A potential opportunity to arrest the stepmother of missing Oregon boy Kyron Horman was thwarted by an ill-executed sting operation at the family's home last month.

ABC's Portland affiliate KATU is reporting that the landscaper police say Terri Horman allegedly contacted to kill her husband and Kyron's father, Kaine Horman, was in on the sting, but then raised the woman's suspicions enough that she called 911.

The landscaper showed up at Horman's door June 26 wearing a hidden microphone to demand hush money. Undercover agents were nearby. But the plan backfired when Horman called police to report an emergency, according to KATU, telling the dispatcher a man at her door wanted $10,000.

KATU cited sources as saying that was the second call of the day. The first came minutes earlier to report that someone in a truck was threatening her.

Responding officers found themselves face to face with the undercover agents and Horman was not taken into custody.

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/search-kyron-horman-complicated-apparent-botched-sting-step/story?id=11114051


Title: Re: Rudy Sanchez alleged murder for hire
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 13, 2010, 05:05:16 PM

No Comment

It appears that whatever Kaine, Desire or ... "Credible Sources" reveal regarding the case ... investigators in the Kyron Horman case ... while not denying ... distance themselves.

Janet

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 Kyron Horman case: Sheriff says 'no comment' on Oregonian's murder-for-hire story
Published: Sunday, July 04, 2010, 2:00 PM
Updated: Tuesday, July 06, 2010, 6:32 AM


The Multnomah County Sheriff's Office issued a statement this morning about The Oregonian report of a landscaper who told detectives that Terri Moulton Horman, the stepmother of missing 7-year-old Kyron Horman, offered him money to kill her husband.

The agency's response to the front-page newspaper story, however, was a non-response that appeared targeted at other media outlets.

"There will be no comment from the Multnomah County Sheriff's Office regarding the information reported in the July 4, 2010 Oregonian," Lt. Mary Lindstrand, a sheriff's spokeswoman, wrote in the statement.

"The information released in the Oregonian article did NOT come from the Multnomah County Sheriff's Office. This is an ongoing investigation. There is no press conference scheduled for today or tomorrow."  

This morning, The Oregonian revealed that a landscaper who worked for Kyron Horman's family at their rural Northwest Portland home told authorities that Terri Moulton Horman approached him with the murder-for-hire plot six to seven months before Kyron disappeared on June 4. 

She reportedly offered the landscaper a large sum of money. After learning of the alleged plot from investigators, Kyron's father, Kaine Horman, left the home with the couple's 19-month-old daughter and filed for a divorce and a restraining order, The Oregonian's Maxine Bernstein reported.

<snipped>

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/07/kyron_horman_case_sheriff_says.html#comments


Title: Re: Rudy Sanchez alleged murder for hire
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 13, 2010, 05:08:13 PM
Kaine Horman asks judge to make Terri Moulton Horman move out of his house
Published: Thursday, July 08, 2010, 12:06 PM
Updated: Thursday, July 08, 2010, 6:43 PM


Multnomah County judge today unsealed the petition for the restraining order which Kaine Horman obtained on June 28, two days after investigators informed him that his wife had offered to pay a landscaper to kill him months before his son's disappearance.

"I believe respondent is involved in the disappearance of my son Kyron who has been missing since June 4, 2010. I also recently learned that respondent attempted to hire someone to murder me,'' Kaine Horman wrote in his petition. "The police have provided me with probable cause to believe the above two statements to be true."

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/07/judge_releases_restraining_ord.html


Title: Re: Rudy Sanchez alleged murder for hire
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 13, 2010, 05:10:10 PM
MULTNOMAH COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE HAS NO COMMENTS REGARDING THE JULY 8, 2010 YOUNG/HORMAN PRESS CONFERENCES
Posted: July 8th, 2010 6:48 PM


There will be no comment from the Multnomah County Sheriff's Office regarding the information reported during the Horman/Young July 8, 2010 press conferences.   The information released in during these conferences did NOT come from the Multnomah County Sheriff's Office.  This is an ongoing investigation. ....

http://www.mcso.us/public/newsroom.htm


Title: Re: Rudy Sanchez alleged murder for hire
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 13, 2010, 05:17:10 PM
Police were ready to arrest Kyron's stepmom over plot to kill husband, says source
Jul 6 at 9:36 PM

 
According to sources, Terri Horman had talked to the landscaper about being in a bad marriage and had claimed that Kaine had "hurt" her emotionally by having an extra-marital relationship.

http://www.king5.com/news/local/Source-Police-were-ready-to-arrest-Kyrons-stepmom-over-plot-to-kill-husband-97907429.html


Title: Re: Rudy Sanchez alleged murder for hire
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 13, 2010, 05:23:58 PM
Sexting

Missing boy's stepmother accused of affair
OREGON: Sealed court order allegedly shown to woman's lover
Published July 13, 2010


Kaine Horman said in the filing that Cook has provided investigators with information about his relationship with Terri Horman, including “hundreds of text messages as well as several photographs of (Terri Horman) in various stages of undress and graphic sexual activity.”

Kaine Horman’s attorney said in the filing that Terri Horman’s “stated personal relationship concerns and sexual overtures to Mr. Cook resemble those made to the man (Terri Horman) previously attempted to hire to murder (Kaine Horman).”

http://www.theolympian.com/2010/07/13/1302999/missing-boys-stepmother-accused.html#ixzz0u9lGt2Ps


Title: Re: Rudy Sanchez alleged murder for hire
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 13, 2010, 05:29:15 PM
Tracked Down?

What was the catalyst that motivated investigators to "track down" the landscaper.

Janet

+++++

Landscaper tells detectives Terri Moulton Horman offered him money to kill her husband
July 04, 2010


After Kyron disappeared June 4, investigators with the county's Major Crimes Team tracked down the landscaper in the course of trying to interview everyone who had contact with the boy's family.  They also found it odd that Terri Horman had hired a landscaper without her husband's knowledge.

The landscaper, contacted by The Oregonian last week, confirmed that he was hired to do lawn work at the Horman home off Northwest Sheltered Nook Road. He said he's talked with detectives and could not comment further. His name is being withheld to protect his identity as a cooperating witness in an ongoing criminal investigation.

Detectives last weekend also shared the information they developed about the alleged murder-for-hire scheme with Kyron's mother and stepdad, Desiree and Tony Young -- providing a clearer indication of why the two banded together with Kaine Horman and the three suddenly and publicly distanced themselves from Terri Horman. 

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/07/landscaper_tells_police_terri.html


Title: Re: Rudy Sanchez alleged murder for hire
Post by: Nana29 on September 13, 2010, 06:14:08 PM
Sexting

Missing boy's stepmother accused of affair
OREGON: Sealed court order allegedly shown to woman's lover
Published July 13, 2010


Kaine Horman said in the filing that Cook has provided investigators with information about his relationship with Terri Horman, including “hundreds of text messages as well as several photographs of (Terri Horman) in various stages of undress and graphic sexual activity.”

Kaine Horman’s attorney said in the filing that Terri Horman’s “stated personal relationship concerns and sexual overtures to Mr. Cook resemble those made to the man (Terri Horman) previously attempted to hire to murder (Kaine Horman).”

http://www.theolympian.com/2010/07/13/1302999/missing-boys-stepmother-accused.html#ixzz0u9lGt2Ps


Like maybe LE found the "similar" messages in her(TH) phone and when tracked down, the LS then informed them of the alleged MFH plot? Otherwise how would they have known that the MC "sexting"( eeuw    :smt078   )   was similar to the LS...
thus, had they not found those, possibly the MFH would never have come to light?    :smt018

How did he ever become identified, anyway?    :scratch: I don't recall ever seeing his name in print or LE revealing that info.
As for them distancing themselves...it is an ongoing investigation and they would(I feel) need to be a lot more careful with public than KH and DY...just my thoughts...     :2thinky:

 ::FlyingFrog::   I just so wish we could be magicians and grab him out of our collective hats for them    ::MonkeyHeart::


Title: Re: Rudy Sanchez alleged murder for hire
Post by: sackyattack on September 13, 2010, 06:35:57 PM
i beleive this substantiates the hiring of rs in the landscaping:
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Zack a landscaper stating he tried to contact with TH in April due to an ad she placed on Service Magic.

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Title: Re: Rudy Sanchez alleged murder for hire
Post by: Nana29 on September 13, 2010, 06:54:16 PM
i beleive this substantiates the hiring of rs in the landscaping:
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Zack a landscaper stating he tried to contact with TH in April due to an ad she placed on Service Magic.

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I was not questioning the hiring of LS, I was wondering if LE ever actually verified his name. Rudy is not mentioned in the above  link at all, so I am sorry if I am missing something, but I don't see how it verifies...
Even The Oregonian does not name him.
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/07/landscaper_tells_police_terri.html

I remember seeing his name connected to the GJ, but even then, did LE verify?  Mostlyjust curious.


Title: Re: Rudy Sanchez alleged murder for hire
Post by: Tracygirl on September 13, 2010, 07:23:54 PM
Well heck..How is this man connected the woman and children who are missing? Is this his wife, his sister, his??? This woman went missing supposedly or at least reported missing, May 19th...Kyron went missing June 4th. Terri knows this man, this man knows Kyron. How do we know she left of her own free will?
Wasnt there a comment regarding one of the people associated with this case has been under suspicion?



Title: Re: Rudy Sanchez alleged murder for hire
Post by: cw618 on September 13, 2010, 07:38:53 PM
Well heck..How is this man connected the woman and children who are missing? Is this his wife, his sister, his??? This woman went missing supposedly or at least reported missing, May 19th...Kyron went missing June 4th. Terri knows this man, this man knows Kyron. How do we know she left of her own free will?
Wasnt there a comment regarding one of the people associated with this case has been under suspicion?



tracygirl are you saying rudy/LS knows, as in having met kyron, or just knows of him
ie; pics in the home ect.,since kaine wasnt aware they had a LS, i think whatever work he/rudy was doing at the horman home, was  only when TH was home, then that brings
up where was kiria, during the work,and im using the word work loosely


Title: Re: Rudy Sanchez alleged murder for hire
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 13, 2010, 07:42:10 PM
Tracked Down?

What was the catalyst that motivated investigators to "track down" the landscaper.

Janet

+++++

Landscaper tells detectives Terri Moulton Horman offered him money to kill her husband
July 04, 2010


After Kyron disappeared June 4, investigators with the county's Major Crimes Team tracked down the landscaper in the course of trying to interview everyone who had contact with the boy's family.  They also found it odd that Terri Horman had hired a landscaper without her husband's knowledge.

The landscaper, contacted by The Oregonian last week, confirmed that he was hired to do lawn work at the Horman home off Northwest Sheltered Nook Road. He said he's talked with detectives and could not comment further. His name is being withheld to protect his identity as a cooperating witness in an ongoing criminal investigation.

Detectives last weekend also shared the information they developed about the alleged murder-for-hire scheme with Kyron's mother and stepdad, Desiree and Tony Young -- providing a clearer indication of why the two banded together with Kaine Horman and the three suddenly and publicly distanced themselves from Terri Horman. 

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/07/landscaper_tells_police_terri.html

Tracked Down?

1.  Could an investigation of Terri's computer hard drive have revealed email/texting  between Terri and the landscaper?

2.  Could the May 911 call from Terri be related to the landscaper?  In other words ... police already had a file that implied a Terri/landscaper connection.



Title: Re: Rudy Sanchez alleged murder for hire
Post by: sackyattack on September 13, 2010, 07:42:12 PM
i beleive this substantiates the hiring of rs in the landscaping:
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Zack a landscaper stating he tried to contact with TH in April due to an ad she placed on Service Magic.

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I was not questioning the hiring of LS, I was wondering if LE ever actually verified his name. Rudy is not mentioned in the above  link at all, so I am sorry if I am missing something, but I don't see how it verifies...
Even The Oregonian does not name him.
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/07/landscaper_tells_police_terri.html

I remember seeing his name connected to the GJ, but even then, did LE verify?  Mostlyjust curious.
sorry thinking and not writing what i was thinking, there was some question about did she hire him, and why didnt kaine know it, thats what i was thinking this kinda cleared up :)


Title: Re: Rudy Sanchez alleged murder for hire
Post by: sackyattack on September 13, 2010, 07:49:06 PM
Well heck..How is this man connected the woman and children who are missing? Is this his wife, his sister, his??? This woman went missing supposedly or at least reported missing, May 19th...Kyron went missing June 4th. Terri knows this man, this man knows Kyron. How do we know she left of her own free will?
Wasnt there a comment regarding one of the people associated with this case has been under suspicion?



tracygirl are you saying rudy/LS knows, as in having met kyron, or just knows of him
ie; pics in the home ect.,since kaine wasnt aware they had a LS, i think whatever work he/rudy was doing at the horman home, was  only when TH was home, then that brings
up where was kiria, during the work,and im using the word work loosely
i read reply #6 in this thread as saying he Knew him, not knew of him


Title: Re: Rudy Sanchez alleged murder for hire
Post by: sackyattack on September 13, 2010, 07:52:57 PM
i beleive this substantiates the hiring of rs in the landscaping:
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Zack a landscaper stating he tried to contact with TH in April due to an ad she placed on Service Magic.

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I was not questioning the hiring of LS, I was wondering if LE ever actually verified his name. Rudy is not mentioned in the above  link at all, so I am sorry if I am missing something, but I don't see how it verifies...
Even The Oregonian does not name him.
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/07/landscaper_tells_police_terri.html

I remember seeing his name connected to the GJ, but even then, did LE verify?  Mostlyjust curious.

i was curious about that too, because in all the online reports in the papers i never saw him identified. then i found him identified in the best news reporting agency in the free world, hehe Blinkoncrime. maybe they can shed some light. i still havent found any papers reporting him by name, just the landscaper in the case. but i also havent been following papers lately, (broken sprinkler system at work) sometimes they make reference to things like this in their more current other kyron stories


Title: Re: Rudy Sanchez alleged murder for hire
Post by: Tracygirl on September 13, 2010, 07:58:15 PM
Well heck..How is this man connected the woman and children who are missing? Is this his wife, his sister, his??? This woman went missing supposedly or at least reported missing, May 19th...Kyron went missing June 4th. Terri knows this man, this man knows Kyron. How do we know she left of her own free will?
Wasnt there a comment regarding one of the people associated with this case has been under suspicion?



tracygirl are you saying rudy/LS knows, as in having met kyron, or just knows of him
ie; pics in the home ect.,since kaine wasnt aware they had a LS, i think whatever work he/rudy was doing at the horman home, was  only when TH was home, then that brings
up where was kiria, during the work,and im using the word work loosely

It was quoted somewhere that his man knew Kyron, I think through school and at his house.


Title: Re: Rudy Sanchez alleged murder for hire
Post by: Tracygirl on September 13, 2010, 07:59:32 PM
http://blinkoncrime.com/category/kyron-horman/rudy-sanchez/
Excerpt: Of particular interest, is source confirmation that the landscaper Terri Horman hired last fall, who worked on the Horman property, had met Kyron at the residence as well as the Skyline School, where his firm had been contracted to do some work.
Rudy Sanchez, of RS Landscape Maintenance since 2008 has told MCSO that Terri Horman attempted to hire him in a murder for hire plot against her husband Kaine. Sanchez then agreed to participate in a surreptitious sting that included a body wire...

bump


Title: Re: Rudy Sanchez alleged murder for hire
Post by: cw618 on September 13, 2010, 08:06:21 PM
TY tracygirl

wondering if rudy/LS could be an unknown SO


Title: Re: Rudy Sanchez alleged murder for hire
Post by: sackyattack on September 13, 2010, 08:08:21 PM
Well heck..How is this man connected the woman and children who are missing? Is this his wife, his sister, his??? This woman went missing supposedly or at least reported missing, May 19th...Kyron went missing June 4th. Terri knows this man, this man knows Kyron. How do we know she left of her own free will?
Wasnt there a comment regarding one of the people associated with this case has been under suspicion?


i am really hoping to know what this womans connection is, and if rs disapeared her, sent her back to mexico, or if she was scared because of knowledge of his involvement with kyrons sm and left out of fear for her and her kids safety. then she would be having some knowledge that would be helpful to the kyron case. and then , the way i inferred "and i did infer only" that in blinks article perhaps le issued the charge/warrant because they want to question her.
http://blinkoncrime.com/2010/09/09/kyron-horman-missing-case-review-and-birthday-wishes-to-the-frog-prince/

1.   puzzled says:
September 12, 2010 at 4:12 pm  Circumstances: Jamie and Ubaldo were allegedly abducted by their mother, Elsy Mejia-Sanchez, on May 19, 2010. A felony warrant for Custodial Interference was issued for Elsy on July 27, 2010.
***Elsy Mejia-Sanchez resides @ 955 S Pacific Hwy, Woodburn OR … 12 miles on Hwy 99 (same as S Pacific Hwy) from Canby OR where RS has a PO Box (347) for his landscaping business.
Wife takes 2 young children and disappears. Where???? How????? Let’s follow this trail!!

They must really want to talk to her badly, because in order to get a warrant for custodial interference, someone else would have had to have a custody order in place, and there is not.B

2.   enumclawrose says:
September 12, 2010 at 4:19 pm
RE: The missing Sanchez children, I left out JUNE 5TH in the timeline, the birthday of the missing Sanchez girl.
05/09/10 TH and RS have confrontation. RS is confronted by LE in front of his wife and children.
-10 DAYS LATER
05/19/10 Mrs. Sanchez leaves RS and takes her kids.
-17 DAYS LATER
06/04/10 Kyron Horman goes missing.
-1 DAY LATER
06/05/10 Jamie’s Birthday
-21 DAYS LATER
06/26/10 RS is involved with a LE sting on TH. (also KH, informed by LE of a MFH plot, moves with daughter and begins divorce, RO, etc).
-31 DAYS LATER
07/27/10 Felony warrant in place for Mrs. Sanchez.

i hope im not getting off topic here, maybe i should put this in the theory/speculation dept.




Title: Re: Rudy Sanchez alleged murder for hire
Post by: Tracygirl on September 13, 2010, 08:09:27 PM
I don't know but what strikes me about this man is he was the type of person one would ask to kill someone. Terri must have seen something in him that would suggest he was capable of killing her husband. 


Title: Re: Rudy Sanchez alleged murder for hire
Post by: sackyattack on September 14, 2010, 01:16:46 PM
for any monkeys interested in more info regarding ls rudy sanchez i have file of information from blinks comment section of their article that recaps all the players in this case. i copied out of their comments only things related to the LS and saved, i can email them as an attachment if you are interested.  sackysattack@live.com  monkeys only please ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Rudy Sanchez alleged murder for hire
Post by: sackyattack on September 14, 2010, 06:32:46 PM
i beleive this substantiates the hiring of rs in the landscaping:
   Re: Who's who in the case
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Zack a landscaper stating he tried to contact with TH in April due to an ad she placed on Service Magic.

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I was not questioning the hiring of LS, I was wondering if LE ever actually verified his name. Rudy is not mentioned in the above  link at all, so I am sorry if I am missing something, but I don't see how it verifies...
Even The Oregonian does not name him.
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/07/landscaper_tells_police_terri.html

I remember seeing his name connected to the GJ, but even then, did LE verify?  Mostlyjust curious.

i was curious about that too, because in all the online reports in the papers i never saw him identified. then i found him identified in the best news reporting agency in the free world, hehe Blinkoncrime. maybe they can shed some light. i still havent found any papers reporting him by name, just the landscaper in the case. but i also havent been following papers lately, (broken sprinkler system at work) sometimes they make reference to things like this in their more current other kyron stories

i am wondering if this is how he ever got identified:
http://blinkoncrime.com/2010/09/09/kyron-horman-missing-case-review-and-birthday-wishes-to-the-frog-prince/comment-page-1/#commentsComments

Spodie says:
September 10, 2010 at 1:26 am
Blink….can you tell us where you got the photo of RS? Where was this taken? The brown expanding folder under his arm…was this pic taken as he was go to or leaving from court? Do you know the date this photo was taken?


http://blinkoncrime.com/2010/09/09/kyron-horman-missing-case-review-and-birthday-wishes-to-the-frog-prince/comment-page-1/#commentsComments
Idahogal says:
September 10, 2010 at 3:27 pm
Well done again, Blink.
Looks like a little mouse caught RS near the court house downtown, love it….


Title: Re: Rudy Sanchez alleged murder for hire
Post by: sackyattack on September 14, 2010, 07:10:52 PM
Names names names
http://blinkoncrime.com/2010/09/09/kyron-horman-missing-case-review-and-birthday-wishes-to-the-frog-prince/comment-page-3/#comments

MockingbirdSings says:
September 10, 2010 at 5:27 pm
In the usual free online people searches (only in the Canby, Milwaukie, Oregon City, and Portland areas), Jaime Estrada is also listed as Jaime Sanchez Estrada. Rudy Sanchez is listed as Rodolfo Sanchez Estrada. If that is the case, then the 2 men are likely to be brothers. Sanchez would be their father’s name and Estrada would be their mother’s name. For the short version of the names, it would normally be the father’s name (Sanchez), not the last in the line of names. (Given all that’s gone on, I could understand (if so) using some intentional variation in names by Jaime, especially when starting a new business after the attention Rudy has gotten.)
The US way of using surnames is so different from many other cultures that it is very easy to get names mixed up or turned around by the way forms are filled out, computer systems alphabetize, etc. Here is one very clearly written explanation:
http://perez.cs.vt.edu/twolastnames
If Anselmo is Sanchez-Sanchez, he could be the half brother – or any other relative or none at all, of course.
Are we positive now that the names for Jaime and Rudy are “Estrada Sanchez”, as written in the new piece, not “Sanchez Estrada” so Rudy was going by his mother’s name?
They use both, and AS-S has addional aliases.
B
I’m thinking that RS was probably not at all involved in the abduction and doesn’t know what happened to Ky. The sting was a set-up to find Ky’s location so RS didn’t know it. RS probably took a polygraph and has been cleared of, at least, knowing Ky’s location. Believe that RS negotiated a deal to stay free and, perhaps, included brother/brother-in-arms Sanchez-Sanchez in the deal. But all he could give up on TH was the MFH.
Please Blink — another hint — am not getting Chief Margie at all.
RS is absolutely involved in the mfh plot, period. Whether or not he is involved in what happened to Kyron, remains to be seen, my money says absolutely. People do NOT openly admit to felonies that will land their aXX in Fed pen for no reason, and it is mostly because it is what we call a “lesser included.”
Chief Margie= Chief Marge in Fargo

Edited sacky


Title: Re: Rudy Sanchez alleged murder for hire
Post by: sackyattack on September 14, 2010, 07:13:49 PM
good point
http://blinkoncrime.com/2010/09/09/kyron-horman-missing-case-review-and-birthday-wishes-to-the-frog-prince/comment-page-6/#comments

Midwest Mom says:
September 12, 2010 at 1:04 am
I GOT IT!
The question is.. If the MFH agreement was made between Terri and LS 6-7 months prior, and the police were sent to LS residence on MAY 9th,THEN WHY didn’t LS confess to a crime he didn’t commit on May 9th?
Blink biscuit?

Why didn’t he confess to the mfh plot in may?


Title: Re: Rudy Sanchez alleged murder for hire
Post by: sackyattack on September 14, 2010, 07:16:27 PM
Tracked Down?

What was the catalyst that motivated investigators to "track down" the landscaper.

Janet

+++++

Landscaper tells detectives Terri Moulton Horman offered him money to kill her husband
July 04, 2010


After Kyron disappeared June 4, investigators with the county's Major Crimes Team tracked down the landscaper in the course of trying to interview everyone who had contact with the boy's family.  They also found it odd that Terri Horman had hired a landscaper without her husband's knowledge.

The landscaper, contacted by The Oregonian last week, confirmed that he was hired to do lawn work at the Horman home off Northwest Sheltered Nook Road. He said he's talked with detectives and could not comment further. His name is being withheld to protect his identity as a cooperating witness in an ongoing criminal investigation.

Detectives last weekend also shared the information they developed about the alleged murder-for-hire scheme with Kyron's mother and stepdad, Desiree and Tony Young -- providing a clearer indication of why the two banded together with Kaine Horman and the three suddenly and publicly distanced themselves from Terri Horman. 

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/07/landscaper_tells_police_terri.html

http://blinkoncrime.com/2010/09/09/kyron-horman-missing-case-review-and-birthday-wishes-to-the-frog-prince/comment-page-6/#comments
September 12, 2010 at 11:53 am
@sjso
I don’t think RS came forward on his own. I think LE found him and in questioning him RS admitted the MFH plot. This article could be interpreted either way but I think I remember Blink saying RS did not come forward on his own. I can’t find the thread though.
http://www.kgw.com/home/Hormanprobelatest-97771724.html
Quite frankly, I think RS with all of his illegal immigration problems and God knows what else, would never risk talking to LE on his own free will.
Also, if AS took part in the MFH sting as I suspect, then quite clearly RS believed TH so much so that he put her in touch with a “hit man.” RS is not the innocent LS caught up in TH’s web, he helped her spin it.


Title: Re: Rudy Sanchez alleged murder for hire
Post by: sackyattack on September 14, 2010, 07:17:53 PM
another good point
http://blinkoncrime.com/2010/09/09/kyron-horman-missing-case-review-and-birthday-wishes-to-the-frog-prince/comment-page-6/#comments
panda says:
September 12, 2010 at 12:17 pm
Is there evidence that RS is illegal beyond what TH said to her mom? AS is illegal and Blink thinks there could be a connection but I don’t see anything that says that RS is illegal. He is described as being efficient and articulate and he is still free.
I, also, question the claim that RS worked at the school. There was someone there the day of Kyron’s disappearance mowing the lawn and he works directly for the City of Portland. He seems to me to be the person with the greatest opportunity to take Kyron without being seen but I have to assume that LE has checked him out thoroughly.
The Mexican Drug Cartel seems more likely to come into your home at night with guns to kidnap someone rather than some convoluted plot to take a kid directly from their school.


Title: Re: Rudy Sanchez alleged murder for hire
Post by: sackyattack on September 14, 2010, 07:18:51 PM
more names  ::rhino::
http://blinkoncrime.com/2010/09/09/kyron-horman-missing-case-review-and-birthday-wishes-to-the-frog-prince/comment-page-6/#comments
MockingbirdSings says:
September 12, 2010 at 2:05 pm
There is one place online where I found “Ubaldo R. Sanchez” listed as a possible relative of Jaime Sanchez Estrada and Rodolfo Sanchez. I spend a lot of time thinking about all of this, but I can’t start spending the money to pay for reports so I only get so far – hoping others already have accounts or connections. This “Ubaldo” might not be a child.
There are many possibilities with the names being so common. Obviously, the children could belong to either Rudy or Jaime, but not necessarily. One thought that occurred to me is that she could be Anselmo’s wife. She’s 5′ tall and he’s 5’4″ – not to say a tall man wouldn’t marry a short woman, but maybe not the other way around so much – especially with the history (insecurities) Anselmo apparently has. I shudder to think Anselmo is a father, but it would make sense that she would take off if it appeared Anselmo was going to be deported soon or remain incarcerated for a long time, or that he had enemies who might try to harm the children. If Rudy and Jaime were trying to support them in the absence of Anselmo, they would certainly be concerned about their disappearance.
No matter who is the father of the children, their mother might also have been afraid DHS would take them away after LE came to the house to see Rudy – if they were present and she didn’t really understand what was happening. It’s possible that at least Ubaldo (age 1) could have been born in the US and be a citizen, possibly Jamie also.
If you follow the usual order of names (as I understand it), we have:
“Jaime Sanchez Estrada” – probably brother of “Rodolfo Sanchez Estrada” – both use same address, Sanchez is the name that would be passed on to any children
“Ubaldo Sanchez Mejia” (age 1) (only the name “Ubaldo” was listed as a possible relative of Rodolfo and Jaime) Names “Elsy” and “Jamie” did not appear on the “possible” list.
“Jamie (minus father’s name) Mejia” (age 5) Possibly had different father (Puerto) accounting for why mother used her own name for Jamie, and has used “Mejia-Puerto” for herself.
“Elsy Mejia-Sanchez” or “Elsy Mejia Puerto” – perhaps a first marriage using Mejia (her name from her father) and Puerto (first husband’s name)
Hopefully, someone else will learn more and either verify or rule out the possibilities.


Title: Re: Rudy Sanchez alleged murder for hire
Post by: sackyattack on September 14, 2010, 07:19:43 PM
possible time line
http://blinkoncrime.com/2010/09/09/kyron-horman-missing-case-review-and-birthday-wishes-to-the-frog-prince/comment-page-6/#comments
puzzled says:
September 12, 2010 at 2:25 pm
enumclawrose says:
September 12, 2010 at 2:10 am
Consider this timeline:
05/09/10 TH and RS have confrontation. RS is confronted by LE in front of his wife and children.
-10 DAYS LATER
05/19/10 Mrs. Sanchez leaves RS and takes her kids.
-17 DAYS LATER
06/04/10 Kyron Horman goes missing.
-22 DAYS LATER
06/26/10 RS is involved with a LE sting on TH. (also KH, informed by LE of a MFH plot, moves with daughter and begins divorce, RO, etc).
-31 DAYS LATER
07/27/10 Felony warrant in place for Mrs. Sanchez.
~~~~~~~~~~
Thank you for this! Now this is something I can see happening, IF the children actually do belong to LS/RS.
Do we know where RS is, as in or out of jail? What’s his status as an illegal? Is he still running his business? and where are his wife and children?
I’ve always maintained that if we knew as much backstory on the other suspects as we do TH — we’d be looking at this way differently


Title: Re: Rudy Sanchez alleged murder for hire
Post by: sackyattack on September 14, 2010, 07:20:43 PM
reason for custodial interference charge?
http://blinkoncrime.com/2010/09/09/kyron-horman-missing-case-review-and-birthday-wishes-to-the-frog-prince/comment-page-6/#comments
puzzled says:
September 12, 2010 at 4:12 pm
Circumstances: Jamie and Ubaldo were allegedly abducted by their mother, Elsy Mejia-Sanchez, on May 19, 2010. A felony warrant for Custodial Interference was issued for Elsy on July 27, 2010.
***Elsy Mejia-Sanchez resides @ 955 S Pacific Hwy, Woodburn OR … 12 miles on Hwy 99 (same as S Pacific Hwy) from Canby OR where RS has a PO Box (347) for his landscaping business.
Wife takes 2 young children and disappears. Where???? How????? Let’s follow this trail!!
They must really want to talk to her badly, because in order to get a warrant for custodial interference, someone else would have had to have a custody order in place, and there is not.
B



Title: Re: Rudy Sanchez alleged murder for hire
Post by: sackyattack on September 14, 2010, 07:24:57 PM
possible time line
http://blinkoncrime.com/2010/09/09/kyron-horman-missing-case-review-and-birthday-wishes-to-the-frog-prince/comment-page-6/#comments
puzzled says:
September 12, 2010 at 2:25 pm
enumclawrose says:
September 12, 2010 at 2:10 am
Consider this timeline:
05/09/10 TH and RS have confrontation. RS is confronted by LE in front of his wife and children.
-10 DAYS LATER
05/19/10 Mrs. Sanchez leaves RS and takes her kids.
-17 DAYS LATER
06/04/10 Kyron Horman goes missing.
-22 DAYS LATER
06/26/10 RS is involved with a LE sting on TH. (also KH, informed by LE of a MFH plot, moves with daughter and begins divorce, RO, etc).
-31 DAYS LATER
07/27/10 Felony warrant in place for Mrs. Sanchez.
~~~~~~~~~~
Thank you for this! Now this is something I can see happening, IF the children actually do belong to LS/RS.
Do we know where RS is, as in or out of jail? What’s his status as an illegal? Is he still running his business? and where are his wife and children?
I’ve always maintained that if we knew as much backstory on the other suspects as we do TH — we’d be looking at this way differently


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enumclawrose says:
September 12, 2010 at 4:19 pm
RE: The missing Sanchez children, I left out JUNE 5TH in the timeline, the birthday of the missing Sanchez girl.
05/09/10 TH and RS have confrontation. RS is confronted by LE in front of his wife and children.
-10 DAYS LATER
05/19/10 Mrs. Sanchez leaves RS and takes her kids.
-17 DAYS LATER
06/04/10 Kyron Horman goes missing.
-1 DAY LATER
06/05/10 Jamie’s Birthday
-21 DAYS LATER
06/26/10 RS is involved with a LE sting on TH. (also KH, informed by LE of a MFH plot, moves with daughter and begins divorce, RO, etc).
-31 DAYS LATER
07/27/10 Felony warrant in place for Mrs. Sanchez.



Title: Re: Rudy Sanchez alleged murder for hire
Post by: sackyattack on September 14, 2010, 07:25:51 PM
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Ode says:
September 12, 2010 at 7:31 pm
http://radaris.com/p/Rodolfo/Sanchez/OR/
Rodolfo Sanchez, 36 Canby, OR; Clackamas, OR; Milwaukie, OR; Oregon City, OR; Portland, OR
Jaime S Estrada, Ubaldo R Sanchez
Here is a simple google showing Rodolfo Sanchez in Canby related to a Jaime Estrada and an Ubaldo Sanchez…Help Blink…is there a connection here??
Yes.
However, I cannot confirm that the Ubaldo in question is the actual Ubaldo associated with Rudy.
B



Title: Re: Rudy Sanchez alleged murder for hire
Post by: sackyattack on September 14, 2010, 07:27:08 PM
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Ode says:
September 12, 2010 at 7:31 pm
http://radaris.com/p/Rodolfo/Sanchez/OR/
Rodolfo Sanchez, 36 Canby, OR; Clackamas, OR; Milwaukie, OR; Oregon City, OR; Portland, OR
Jaime S Estrada, Ubaldo R Sanchez
Here is a simple google showing Rodolfo Sanchez in Canby related to a Jaime Estrada and an Ubaldo Sanchez…Help Blink…is there a connection here??
Yes.
However, I cannot confirm that the Ubaldo in question is the actual Ubaldo associated with Rudy.
B


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Ode says:
September 12, 2010 at 7:40 pm
Blink, it must be the links I am trying to post. I did a simply google search AGAIN on Rodolfo Sanchez in OR. On radaris.com they show… Rodolfo Sanches, 36 Canby, OR; Clackamas, OR; Milwaukie, OR; Oregon City, OR; Portland, OR related to
Jaime S Estrada, Ubaldo R Sanchez
sacky's boxing pretty good now eh?


Title: Re: Rudy Sanchez alleged murder for hire
Post by: sackyattack on September 14, 2010, 07:29:26 PM
why would rs come clean about the mfh? hmm maybe

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MockingbirdSings says:
September 13, 2010 at 1:32 am
I have been just as curious as everyone else as to where Rudy is now. That has led me to think about his truck. If he’s out of sight intentionally for LE, I don’t want to find him, of course.
Blink – You said:
He drives a white truck, which has a UCC lein, and is registered in WA
B

I know exactly who is on those liens.
I also know that Mr. Sanchez has an INS problem.
B
As you know, a UCC financing statement is used to declare that particular property(s) and all the “connected stuff” are assigned to a particular bank or leasing organization (whoever granted the loan) in case the person declares bankruptcy, or there is some other loss. Then those who loaned the money are already on file for the claim to property or insurance benefits. There are 4 in the Washington data base with “Rodolfo Sanchez” or “Rodolfo D. Sanchez”, all with the same Vancouver address and all relating to 2 of the Muchas Gracias restaurants. None of these seem to be relating to a vehicle, and do not seem to fit Rudy, although one came close.
Can you please share more about Rudy’s truck? I’d like to know if he uses a Washington license plate (an easy way to distinguish the white trucks). As someone said before, it has been common for people from WA to come to Oregon and buy vehicles because OR does not have sales tax (not good if you get caught), but not so much the other way around, especially if you need a loan written.
I wondered if he had/has a WA address? a co-signer? a leased truck? a truck purchased through and for the use of a WA business? or is the truck not in his name at all?
I’m wondering how he’s going to keep up with expenses, etc. If he’s an essential witness for a trial, which it appears he may be, I (we) want him to be around when needed.
Note about Rudy and telling LE re MFH – Terri has shown herself to use lies in a variety of situations to suit her needs. I believe she could convince many people, and certainly those here illegally who are not sure of our LE and culture, that her personal influence is considerably greater than it really is. Ask yourself, if she had asked one of her previous 2 husbands to help her out and get rid of Kaine, would they have called LE or simply said, “Terri, you’re crazy. Either get over it or get a divorce.” Maybe they would have told Kaine, but if they thought she’d go to jail (if anyone believed them instead of her), they might very well have done what Rudy did.


Title: Re: Rudy Sanchez alleged murder for hire
Post by: sackyattack on September 14, 2010, 07:30:40 PM
ssi cards for illegal aliens?
http://blinkoncrime.com/2010/09/09/kyron-horman-missing-case-review-and-birthday-wishes-to-the-frog-prince/comment-page-7/#comments
enumclawrose says:
September 12, 2010 at 10:51 pm
RE: SOCAIL SECURITY CARDS ON IMMIGRANTS/ILLEGALS
In Washington State, if an illegal wants to get around have a social security card, they apply for an ITIN INDIVIDUAL TAXPAYER IDENTIFICATION NUMBER
As you can see, one of the application documents listed is a driver’s license. In Waashington, we do not require proof of citizenship to obtain a driver’s license. In this state, a person can obtain a driver’s license, then apply and get an ITIN and they are good to go. Not sure, but I do not think ITIN taxpayers pay into social security. Maybe Oregon is different, but it’s easy to transfer a WA license to an OR license isn’t it?
http://www.irs.gov/individuals/article/0,,id=222373,00.html
Why did IRS revise the ITIN application process?
The IRS revised the ITIN application process to help ensure ITINs are used for their intended tax administration purposes.
What documents are acceptable as proof of identity and foreign status?
IRS streamlined the number of documents the agency accepts as proof of identity and foreign status to obtain an ITIN. There are 13 acceptable documents. Each document must be current and contain an expiration date. IRS will accept documents issued within 12 months of the application if no expiration date is normally available. Documents must also show your name and photograph, and support your claim of foreign status. Below is the list of the only acceptable documents:
• Passport (stand alone document)
• National identification card (must show photo, name, current address, date of birth, and expiration date)
• U.S. driver’s license
• Civil birth certificate (required for dependents under 18 years of age)
• Foreign driver’s license
• U.S. state identification card
• Foreign voter’s registration card
• U.S. military identification card
• Foreign military identification card
• Visa
• U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS) photo identification
• Medical records (dependents only – under 14, under 18 if a student)
• School records (dependents only – under 14, under 18 if a student


Title: Re: Rudy Sanchez alleged murder for hire
Post by: sackyattack on September 14, 2010, 07:31:39 PM
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enumclawrose says:
September 13, 2010 at 1:48 am
The Oregon Secretary of State Corporation Division shows license #300176-93 for Sanchez Nursery Sales, 955 S Pacific Hwy, Woodburn, OR 97071. The authorized representative on file is Maria G. Sanchez and the representative is Ubaldo Sanchez, with with the same address. This is Elsy Sanchez’s address on the missing kids poster.
If Ubaldo and Maria are married, then who is Elsy married to? Maybe Maria is mother or sister to Ubaldo, I don’t know. I guess we can’t assume the missing Sanchez children are Ubaldo’s as much as we can’t assume the are Rudy’s. I think it is too soon to cross these people off the list.
Everytime I post the link to OR Sec.of State, my post gets lost. If you go to egov.sos.state.or.us and search for Sanches Nursery sales you should be able to find it. I also did an Oregon Dept. of Agriculture search on the nursery license, but the server has been busy all day


Title: Re: Rudy Sanchez alleged murder for hire
Post by: sackyattack on September 14, 2010, 07:33:50 PM
why would rs come clean about the mfh? hmm maybe

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MockingbirdSings says:
September 13, 2010 at 1:32 am
I have been just as curious as everyone else as to where Rudy is now. That has led me to think about his truck. If he’s out of sight intentionally for LE, I don’t want to find him, of course.
Blink – You said:
He drives a white truck, which has a UCC lein, and is registered in WA
B

I know exactly who is on those liens.
I also know that Mr. Sanchez has an INS problem.
B
As you know, a UCC financing statement is used to declare that particular property(s) and all the “connected stuff” are assigned to a particular bank or leasing organization (whoever granted the loan) in case the person declares bankruptcy, or there is some other loss. Then those who loaned the money are already on file for the claim to property or insurance benefits. There are 4 in the Washington data base with “Rodolfo Sanchez” or “Rodolfo D. Sanchez”, all with the same Vancouver address and all relating to 2 of the Muchas Gracias restaurants. None of these seem to be relating to a vehicle, and do not seem to fit Rudy, although one came close.
Can you please share more about Rudy’s truck? I’d like to know if he uses a Washington license plate (an easy way to distinguish the white trucks). As someone said before, it has been common for people from WA to come to Oregon and buy vehicles because OR does not have sales tax (not good if you get caught), but not so much the other way around, especially if you need a loan written.
I wondered if he had/has a WA address? a co-signer? a leased truck? a truck purchased through and for the use of a WA business? or is the truck not in his name at all?
I’m wondering how he’s going to keep up with expenses, etc. If he’s an essential witness for a trial, which it appears he may be, I (we) want him to be around when needed.
Note about Rudy and telling LE re MFH – Terri has shown herself to use lies in a variety of situations to suit her needs. I believe she could convince many people, and certainly those here illegally who are not sure of our LE and culture, that her personal influence is considerably greater than it really is. Ask yourself, if she had asked one of her previous 2 husbands to help her out and get rid of Kaine, would they have called LE or simply said, “Terri, you’re crazy. Either get over it or get a divorce.” Maybe they would have told Kaine, but if they thought she’d go to jail (if anyone believed them instead of her), they might very well have done what Rudy did.

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enumclawrose says:
September 13, 2010 at 2:27 am
Address SANCHEZ NURSERY SALES LLC
WOODBURN, OR 97071
County Marion
Fax xxxxxxxx
License Number xxxxxxx
License Status Active
Expiration Date 06/30/2011
License Type Nursery Dealers, Florists and Landscapers


Title: Re: Rudy Sanchez alleged murder for hire
Post by: sackyattack on September 14, 2010, 07:35:24 PM
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enumclawrose says:
September 13, 2010 at 2:35 am
Sorry for the typo’s on my last two posts. Here’s the Sanchez Nursery License information:
http://oda.state.or.us/dbs/licenses/view.lasso?&division=nursery&key=AG-L0170990ND
Address SANCHEZ NURSERY SALES LLC
WOODBURN, OR 97071
County Marion
Fax xxxxxx
License Number xxxxxxxx
License Status Active
Expiration Date 06/30/2011
License Type Nursery Dealers, Florists and Landscapers
_______________________________________________________
300176-93 ABN ACT 07-15-2005 07-15-2011
Entity Name SANCHEZ NURSERY SALES
Foreign Name
Affidavit? N
New Search Printer Friendly Associated Names
Type PPB PRINCIPAL PLACE OF BUSINESS
Addr 1 955 S PACIFIC HWY
Addr 2
CSZ WOODBURN OR 97071 Country UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
The Authorized Representative address is the mailing address for this business.
Type REP AUTHORIZED REPRESENTATIVE Start Date 09-23-2008 Resign Date
Name MARIA G SANCHEZ
Addr 1 955 S PACIFIC HWY
Addr 2
CSZ WOODBURN OR 97071 Country UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
Type REG REGISTRANT
Name UBALDO SANCHEZ
Addr 1 955 S PACIFIC HWY
Addr 2
CSZ WOODBURN OR 97071 Country UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
New Search Printer Friendly Name History
Business Entity Name Name Type Name Status Start Date End Date
SANCHEZ NURSERY SALES EN CUR 07-15-2005
Please read before ordering Copies.
New Search Printer Friendly Summary History
Image Date Action Transaction Date Effective Date Status Name/Agent Change Dissolved By
06-17-2009 RENEWAL OF REGISTRATION 06-17-2009 FI
09-23-2008 AMENDMENT OF REGISTRATION 09-23-2008 FI Representative
07-03-2007 RENEWAL OF REGISTRATION 07-03-2007 FI
07-15-2005 APPLICATION FOR REGISTRATION 07-15-2005 FI Representative
New Search Printer Friendly Counties
Counties Filed
All Counties Filed.
Above is the information from the Secretary of State License




Title: Re: Rudy Sanchez alleged murder for hire
Post by: sackyattack on September 14, 2010, 07:36:33 PM
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enumclawrose says:
September 13, 2010 at 1:48 am
The Oregon Secretary of State Corporation Division shows license #300176-93 for Sanchez Nursery Sales, 955 S Pacific Hwy, Woodburn, OR 97071. The authorized representative on file is Maria G. Sanchez and the representative is Ubaldo Sanchez, with with the same address. This is Elsy Sanchez’s address on the missing kids poster.
If Ubaldo and Maria are married, then who is Elsy married to? Maybe Maria is mother or sister to Ubaldo, I don’t know. I guess we can’t assume the missing Sanchez children are Ubaldo’s as much as we can’t assume the are Rudy’s. I think it is too soon to cross these people off the list.
Everytime I post the link to OR Sec.of State, my post gets lost. If you go to egov.sos.state.or.us and search for Sanches Nursery sales you should be able to find it. I also did an Oregon Dept. of Agriculture search on the nursery license, but the server has been busy all day

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puzzled says:
September 13, 2010 at 3:08 am
According to Blink …
Rudy is the owner of RS Landscape Maintenance and one of the numbers records show is billed in his brothers name, Jaime Estrada Sanchez, who uses the name Jaime Estrada on his carpet cleaning business website.
UBALDO SANCHEZ of 955 S PACIFIC HWY WOODBURN, OR 97071 is dba SANCHEZ NURSERY
The two missing Sanchez children are named Jamie (age 5) and Ubaldo (age 1) and they were living at the 955 S Pacific Hwy address.
Could it be that these two children were born in the US and issued SS#’s which are now being used by adult Jamie Estrada Sanchez and adult Ubaldo Sanchez?
Perhaps this is why there is a a felony warrant for the mother, in an effort to pick her up and verify the identites of the children vs adult males



Title: Re: Rudy Sanchez alleged murder for hire
Post by: sackyattack on September 14, 2010, 07:37:30 PM
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enumclawrose says:
September 13, 2010 at 1:48 am
The Oregon Secretary of State Corporation Division shows license #300176-93 for Sanchez Nursery Sales, 955 S Pacific Hwy, Woodburn, OR 97071. The authorized representative on file is Maria G. Sanchez and the representative is Ubaldo Sanchez, with with the same address. This is Elsy Sanchez’s address on the missing kids poster.
If Ubaldo and Maria are married, then who is Elsy married to? Maybe Maria is mother or sister to Ubaldo, I don’t know. I guess we can’t assume the missing Sanchez children are Ubaldo’s as much as we can’t assume the are Rudy’s. I think it is too soon to cross these people off the list.
Everytime I post the link to OR Sec.of State, my post gets lost. If you go to egov.sos.state.or.us and search for Sanches Nursery sales you should be able to find it. I also did an Oregon Dept. of Agriculture search on the nursery license, but the server has been busy all day

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puzzled says:
September 13, 2010 at 3:08 am
According to Blink …
Rudy is the owner of RS Landscape Maintenance and one of the numbers records show is billed in his brothers name, Jaime Estrada Sanchez, who uses the name Jaime Estrada on his carpet cleaning business website.
UBALDO SANCHEZ of 955 S PACIFIC HWY WOODBURN, OR 97071 is dba SANCHEZ NURSERY
The two missing Sanchez children are named Jamie (age 5) and Ubaldo (age 1) and they were living at the 955 S Pacific Hwy address.
Could it be that these two children were born in the US and issued SS#’s which are now being used by adult Jamie Estrada Sanchez and adult Ubaldo Sanchez?
Perhaps this is why there is a a felony warrant for the mother, in an effort to pick her up and verify the identites of the children vs adult males


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enumclawrose says:
September 13, 2010 at 4:41 am
http://apps.co.marion.or.us/PropertyRecords/PropertySummary.aspx?pid=R13963
955 S Pacific Hwy., Woodburn OR 97071 is owned by Maria and Ubaldo F Sanchez
Their address is 459 4th Street, Woodburn OR 97071
955 S Pacific is listed as a nursery, (go to zillow for a picture) but it also has a single family residence. Perhaps Ubaldo and Maria rented this to Elsy and her husband?
The missing children connected to the Pacific Hwy address, and my guess is that Elsy is not Ubaldo’s wife, Maria is, if you look at how the registration reads. (Example Maria & Ubaldo Sanchez, wife and husband OR Maria Sanchez and Ubaldo Sanchez, sister & brother, mother and son).
This Ubaldo has the middle initial “F” but the Ubaldo related to Rudy Sanchez on the radaris search by Ode has the middle initial R. This could be a typo (look where your R and F are on your keyboard).
I think Sanchez is a common name, but how common is Ubaldo? Who is the father of Ubaldo (notice no Jr. after this name) and Jamie? Why did Elsy leave



Title: Re: Rudy Sanchez alleged murder for hire
Post by: sackyattack on September 14, 2010, 07:38:52 PM
why would rs come clean about the mfh? hmm maybe

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MockingbirdSings says:
September 13, 2010 at 1:32 am
I have been just as curious as everyone else as to where Rudy is now. That has led me to think about his truck. If he’s out of sight intentionally for LE, I don’t want to find him, of course.
Blink – You said:
He drives a white truck, which has a UCC lein, and is registered in WA
B

I know exactly who is on those liens.
I also know that Mr. Sanchez has an INS problem.
B
As you know, a UCC financing statement is used to declare that particular property(s) and all the “connected stuff” are assigned to a particular bank or leasing organization (whoever granted the loan) in case the person declares bankruptcy, or there is some other loss. Then those who loaned the money are already on file for the claim to property or insurance benefits. There are 4 in the Washington data base with “Rodolfo Sanchez” or “Rodolfo D. Sanchez”, all with the same Vancouver address and all relating to 2 of the Muchas Gracias restaurants. None of these seem to be relating to a vehicle, and do not seem to fit Rudy, although one came close.
Can you please share more about Rudy’s truck? I’d like to know if he uses a Washington license plate (an easy way to distinguish the white trucks). As someone said before, it has been common for people from WA to come to Oregon and buy vehicles because OR does not have sales tax (not good if you get caught), but not so much the other way around, especially if you need a loan written.
I wondered if he had/has a WA address? a co-signer? a leased truck? a truck purchased through and for the use of a WA business? or is the truck not in his name at all?
I’m wondering how he’s going to keep up with expenses, etc. If he’s an essential witness for a trial, which it appears he may be, I (we) want him to be around when needed.
Note about Rudy and telling LE re MFH – Terri has shown herself to use lies in a variety of situations to suit her needs. I believe she could convince many people, and certainly those here illegally who are not sure of our LE and culture, that her personal influence is considerably greater than it really is. Ask yourself, if she had asked one of her previous 2 husbands to help her out and get rid of Kaine, would they have called LE or simply said, “Terri, you’re crazy. Either get over it or get a divorce.” Maybe they would have told Kaine, but if they thought she’d go to jail (if anyone believed them instead of her), they might very well have done what Rudy did.

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enumclawrose says:
September 13, 2010 at 2:27 am
Address SANCHEZ NURSERY SALES LLC
WOODBURN, OR 97071
County Marion
Fax xxxxxxxx
License Number xxxxxxx
License Status Active
Expiration Date 06/30/2011
License Type Nursery Dealers, Florists and Landscapers

http://blinkoncrime.com/2010/09/09/kyron-horman-missing-case-review-and-birthday-wishes-to-the-frog-prince/comment-page-7/#comments
enumclawrose says:
September 13, 2010 at 7:19 am
@Mockingbird
I checked WA State UCC filings. Found four records for Rudolfo and Rudolfo D Sanchez, in all of WA, but they were from Vancouver, WA. They seem to all have something to do with Rudolfo Sanchez of Muchas Gracias Restaurants. I was on the restaurant website awhile ago and dismissed that Rudy Sanchez as being this Rudy Sanchez. That is not what Blink means when she says she knows exactly who is on those liens, is it?





Title: Re: Rudy Sanchez alleged murder for hire
Post by: sackyattack on September 14, 2010, 07:39:46 PM
http://blinkoncrime.com/2010/09/09/kyron-horman-missing-case-review-and-birthday-wishes-to-the-frog-prince/comment-page-7/#comments
Midwest Mom says:
September 13, 2010 at 8:52 am
puzzled says:
September 13, 2010 at 3:08 am
According to Blink …
Rudy is the owner of RS Landscape Maintenance and one of the numbers records show is billed in his brothers name, Jaime Estrada Sanchez, who uses the name Jaime Estrada on his carpet cleaning business website.
UBALDO SANCHEZ of 955 S PACIFIC HWY WOODBURN, OR 97071 is dba SANCHEZ NURSERY
The two missing Sanchez children are named Jamie (age 5) and Ubaldo (age 1) and they were living at the 955 S Pacific Hwy address.
Could it be that these two children were born in the US and issued SS#’s which are now being used by adult Jamie Estrada Sanchez and adult Ubaldo Sanchez?
Perhaps this is why there is a a felony warrant for the mother, in an effort to pick her up and verify the identites of the children vs adult males.
__________________________________
Wow, very good point, I know of people who have used their kids identities for credit because theirs was messed up..how do people even come up with these things? If they would only use their creativity for something positive.. sheeesh.
Elsy the daughter of Maria and Ubaldo


Title: Re: Rudy Sanchez alleged murder for hire
Post by: sackyattack on September 14, 2010, 07:40:39 PM
http://blinkoncrime.com/2010/09/09/kyron-horman-missing-case-review-and-birthday-wishes-to-the-frog-prince/comment-page-8/#comments

puzzled says:
September 13, 2010 at 1:35 pm
enumclawrose says:
September 13, 2010 at 1:48 am
The Oregon Secretary of State Corporation Division shows license #300176-93 for Sanchez Nursery Sales, 955 S Pacific Hwy, Woodburn, OR 97071. The authorized representative on file is Maria G. Sanchez and the representative is Ubaldo Sanchez, with with the same address. This is Elsy Sanchez’s address on the missing kids poster.
If Ubaldo and Maria are married, then who is Elsy married to? Maybe Maria is mother or sister to Ubaldo, I don’t know. I guess we can’t assume the missing Sanchez children are Ubaldo’s as much as we can’t assume the are Rudy’s. I think it is too soon to cross these people off the list.
The missing children connected to the Pacific Hwy address, and my guess is that Elsy is not Ubaldo’s wife, Maria is, if you look at how the registration reads. (Example Maria & Ubaldo Sanchez, wife and husband OR Maria Sanchez and Ubaldo Sanchez, sister & brother, mother and son).
~~~~~
What a great job in drilling down to this level of info. This is the story we should be focused on


Title: Re: Rudy Sanchez alleged murder for hire
Post by: sackyattack on September 14, 2010, 07:42:00 PM
speculation, but it has information also ::MonkeyEek::
http://blinkoncrime.com/2010/09/09/kyron-horman-missing-case-review-and-birthday-wishes-to-the-frog-prince/comment-page-8/#comments
puzzled says:
September 13, 2010 at 1:58 pm
17.enumclawrose says:
September 12, 2010 at 8:24 pm
What was really interesting to me was the post about Ubaldo’s USDOT carrier status. This is a number enacted since NAFTA went into effect for all interstate common carriers. What this means is that Ubaldo’s semi-truck is legal to cross international borders.
~~~~~~
Let’s advance this RS & Associates line of thinking to include transporting across borders … could be Kryon was shipped off to Mexico (I did not even entertain the idea before).
Could be RS & Associates are the organized crime that multiple agencies are watching. This scenario has the motive and means to not just disappear a child but vanish completly off the radar screen.
Blinks assesment that TH was who let the vampires in fits so perfectly now. OMG … I’m not longer puzzled … just anxious to have this come to a conclusion.



Title: Re: Rudy Sanchez alleged murder for hire
Post by: sackyattack on September 14, 2010, 07:44:32 PM
whose kids anyway?[/b]
http://blinkoncrime.com/2010/09/09/kyron-horman-missing-case-review-and-birthday-wishes-to-the-frog-prince/comment-page-8/#comments
enumclawrose says:
September 13, 2010 at 2:29 pm
Thanks for sticking with this Puzzled and Evie. I can’t get my focus off of this. Evie, thanks for the info on the U Visa, never knew that, so interesting how government works.
I have tried to look up birth announcements in the local papers for Woodburn area focusing in on Ubaldo Sanchez DOB 08/24/08. Trying to see who his father is.
DOES ANYONE KNOW, IF SOMEONE WHO LIVES IN THE WOODBURN AREA HAS A BABY, WHAT NEWSPAPERS WOULD OFFICIAL BIRTH ANNOUCEMENTS APPEAR?
BYW, SM are talking about this, too. They go back and forth about whether these people may be related to this case. One of their posters said this about the Ubaldo property on S Pacific Hwy.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8465.960
I live a few miles from there and have to drive by there to go grocery shopping. I’ll tell ya,before I even knew he lived there I told hubby that the house gave me the creeps. They have locked that place down with security gates now.

hehe btw, i would have copied this from another news site if they had it, hope you dont think im stealing hehe. great job you guys


Title: Re: Rudy Sanchez alleged murder for hire
Post by: sackyattack on September 14, 2010, 07:46:07 PM
more speculation, but more info too
 ::MonkeyCool::
http://blinkoncrime.com/2010/09/09/kyron-horman-missing-case-review-and-birthday-wishes-to-the-frog-prince/comment-page-8/#comments
panda says:
September 13, 2010 at 4:08 pm
If the Mejia-Sanchez family vanished on May 19, why was it July 27 when a warrant was issued? Is there a record of any publicity given to this abduction before July? I’m not finding it. If Elsy is in the country illegally and she returns to her native county with her own children, is that a felony? I have to believe that this happens routinely without felony warrants being issued.
If Kyron is ‘stashed’ as his mother believes, then perhaps it is believed that Elsy has Kyron, probably in Mexico


Title: Re: Rudy Sanchez alleged murder for hire
Post by: sackyattack on September 14, 2010, 07:48:48 PM
http://blinkoncrime.com/2010/09/09/kyron-horman-missing-case-review-and-birthday-wishes-to-the-frog-prince/comment-page-8/#comments
panda says:
September 13, 2010 at 4:46 pm
I’m not sure of the origin of the Woodburn address for Elsy Sanchez but the agency investigating the disappearance is the City of Portland.

hey klaas it would be great if we could have the first several posts of elsy sanchez and kids over here, esp the ones with photos, could you move them, or if that would screw up the other thread, could you copy/paste them here too? thanks


Title: Re: Rudy Sanchez alleged murder for hire
Post by: sackyattack on September 14, 2010, 07:50:40 PM
washington, leins, etc
http://blinkoncrime.com/2010/09/09/kyron-horman-missing-case-review-and-birthday-wishes-to-the-frog-prince/comment-page-8/#comments
evie says:
September 13, 2010 at 7:56 pm
I’m sorry I’ve been reading backward today; I am not catching everything in order. But this just jumped out at me:
Blink – You said:
He drives a white truck, which has a UCC lein, and is registered in WA
B

I know exactly who is on those liens.
I also know that Mr. Sanchez has an INS problem.
B

It would be very uncommon for someone with a valid Oregon address (RS didn’t mind using his for lots of registrations) to register a vehicle in Washington state vs Oregon. It costs very little in Oregon (less than $100) and a lot in Washington (hundreds, based on the value of the vehicle).
Do you, Blink or anyone, have a comment on what RS’s ties to Washington State might be?


Title: Re: Rudy Sanchez alleged murder for hire
Post by: klaasend on September 14, 2010, 07:51:01 PM
http://www.missingkids.com/missingkids/servlet/PubCaseSearchServlet?act=viewCsawDetail&caseNum=1148744&orgPrefix=NCMC&seqNum=1&caseLang=en_US&searchLang=en_US

ELSY LEONOR MEJIA-SANCHEZ   
(Companion)   
Case Type: Family Abduction   
DOB: Aug 8, 1978 Sex: Female
Missing Date: May 19, 2010 Race: Hispanic
Age Now: 32 Height: 5'0" (152 cm)
Missing City: PORTLAND Weight: 180 lbs (82 kg)
Missing State :  OR Hair Color: Black
Missing Country: United States Eye Color: Brown
Case Number: NCMC1148744   
Circumstances: Jamie and Ubaldo were allegedly abducted by their mother, Elsy Mejia-Sanchez, on May 19, 2010. A felony warrant for Custodial Interference was issued for Elsy on July 27, 2010. Jamie has a mole on her upper right cheek. Elsy may go by the alias last name Mejia-Puerto.



Title: Re: Rudy Sanchez alleged murder for hire
Post by: sackyattack on September 14, 2010, 07:52:58 PM
if this wasnt all over my head before, it sure is now :smt102
http://blinkoncrime.com/2010/09/09/kyron-horman-missing-case-review-and-birthday-wishes-to-the-frog-prince/comment-page-8/#comments
Shelly says:
September 13, 2010 at 11:19 pm
Shelly says:
August 26th, 1:31am
Does the missing family (mother Elsy Mejia-Sanchez,and children Jamie Mejia and Ubaldo Sanchez-Mejia) have any connection to either RS or AS? They went missing on May 19th.
Blinks reply: Shelly- source link please- what do you mean they are “missing”?
B
August 26, 2010 at 10:10 am
@ Blink,
Have agents sucessfully located the family they were looking for?
From Blink: I cannot say for certain, but imo, yes


August 26, 2010 at 10:10 am
@ Blink,
Have agents sucessfully located the family they were looking for?
I cannot say for certain, but imo, yes.
B
I am now more confused than ever as weeks ago, I wrote off the story of the kids and their mother. Can anyone verify that this family is related to any of the landscapers?
We are talking about 2 different families, 2 different events.
The family they were looking for (Via Roger) had a child that went to school with Kyron and then the Sanchez and their alleged abductor. I can connect LS to a Ubaldo R in Woodburn, yes.



Title: Re: Rudy Sanchez alleged murder for hire
Post by: klaasend on September 14, 2010, 07:53:42 PM
Has it been determined weither this is RS wife or not?  Conflicting posts on this one.

Below are additional posts from Blink’s site:

http://blinkoncrime.com/2010/09/09/kyron-horman-missing-case-review-and-birthday-wishes-to-the-frog-prince/


1.   enumclawrose says:
September 13, 2010 at 1:48 am
The Oregon Secretary of State Corporation Division shows license #300176-93 for Sanchez Nursery Sales, 955 S Pacific Hwy, Woodburn, OR 97071. The authorized representative on file is Maria G. Sanchez and the representative is Ubaldo Sanchez, with with the same address. This is Elsy Sanchez’s address on the missing kids poster.
If Ubaldo and Maria are married, then who is Elsy married to? Maybe Maria is mother or sister to Ubaldo, I don’t know. I guess we can’t assume the missing Sanchez children are Ubaldo’s as much as we can’t assume the are Rudy’s. I think it is too soon to cross these people off the list.
Everytime I post the link to OR Sec.of State, my post gets lost. If you go to egov.sos.state.or.us and search for Sanches Nursery sales you should be able to find it. I also did an Oregon Dept. of Agriculture search on the nursery license, but the server has been busy all day.

1.   enumclawrose says:
September 13, 2010 at 2:35 am
Sorry for the typo’s on my last two posts. Here’s the Sanchez Nursery License information:
http://oda.state.or.us/dbs/licenses/view.lasso?&division=nursery&key=AG-L0170990ND
Address SANCHEZ NURSERY SALES LLC
WOODBURN, OR 97071
County Marion
Fax 503/982-1362
License Number AG-L0170990ND
License Status Active
Expiration Date 06/30/2011
License Type Nursery Dealers, Florists and Landscapers
_______________________________________________________
300176-93 ABN ACT 07-15-2005 07-15-2011
Entity Name SANCHEZ NURSERY SALES
Foreign Name
Affidavit? N
New Search Printer Friendly Associated Names
Type PPB PRINCIPAL PLACE OF BUSINESS
Addr 1 955 S PACIFIC HWY
Addr 2
CSZ WOODBURN OR 97071 Country UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
The Authorized Representative address is the mailing address for this business.
Type REP AUTHORIZED REPRESENTATIVE Start Date 09-23-2008 Resign Date
Name MARIA G SANCHEZ
Addr 1 955 S PACIFIC HWY
Addr 2
CSZ WOODBURN OR 97071 Country UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
Type REG REGISTRANT
Name UBALDO SANCHEZ
Addr 1 955 S PACIFIC HWY
Addr 2
CSZ WOODBURN OR 97071 Country UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
New Search Printer Friendly Name History
Business Entity Name Name Type Name Status Start Date End Date
SANCHEZ NURSERY SALES EN CUR 07-15-2005
Please read before ordering Copies.
New Search Printer Friendly Summary History
Image Date Action Transaction Date Effective Date Status Name/Agent Change Dissolved By
06-17-2009 RENEWAL OF REGISTRATION 06-17-2009 FI
09-23-2008 AMENDMENT OF REGISTRATION 09-23-2008 FI Representative
07-03-2007 RENEWAL OF REGISTRATION 07-03-2007 FI
07-15-2005 APPLICATION FOR REGISTRATION 07-15-2005 FI Representative
New Search Printer Friendly Counties
Counties Filed
All Counties Filed.
Above is the information from the Secretary of State License.

1.   enumclawrose says:
September 13, 2010 at 4:41 am
http://apps.co.marion.or.us/PropertyRecords/PropertySummary.aspx?pid=R13963
955 S Pacific Hwy., Woodburn OR 97071 is owned by Maria and Ubaldo F Sanchez
Their address is 459 4th Street, Woodburn OR 97071
955 S Pacific is listed as a nursery, (go to zillow for a picture) but it also has a single family residence. Perhaps Ubaldo and Maria rented this to Elsy and her husband?
The missing children connected to the Pacific Hwy address, and my guess is that Elsy is not Ubaldo’s wife, Maria is, if you look at how the registration reads. (Example Maria & Ubaldo Sanchez, wife and husband OR Maria Sanchez and Ubaldo Sanchez, sister & brother, mother and son).
This Ubaldo has the middle initial “F” but the Ubaldo related to Rudy Sanchez on the radaris search by Ode has the middle initial R. This could be a typo (look where your R and F are on your keyboard).
I think Sanchez is a common name, but how common is Ubaldo? Who is the father of Ubaldo (notice no Jr. after this name) and Jamie? Why did Elsy leave?

1.   Midwest Mom says:
September 13, 2010 at 8:52 am
puzzled says:
September 13, 2010 at 3:08 am
According to Blink …
Rudy is the owner of RS Landscape Maintenance and one of the numbers records show is billed in his brothers name, Jaime Estrada Sanchez, who uses the name Jaime Estrada on his carpet cleaning business website.
UBALDO SANCHEZ of 955 S PACIFIC HWY WOODBURN, OR 97071 is dba SANCHEZ NURSERY
The two missing Sanchez children are named Jamie (age 5) and Ubaldo (age 1) and they were living at the 955 S Pacific Hwy address.
Could it be that these two children were born in the US and issued SS#’s which are now being used by adult Jamie Estrada Sanchez and adult Ubaldo Sanchez?
Perhaps this is why there is a a felony warrant for the mother, in an effort to pick her up and verify the identites of the children vs adult males.
__________________________________
Wow, very good point, I know of people who have used their kids identities for credit because theirs was messed up..how do people even come up with these things? If they would only use their creativity for something positive.. sheeesh.

Elsy the daughter of Maria and Ubaldo?






Title: Re: Rudy Sanchez alleged murder for hire
Post by: sackyattack on September 14, 2010, 07:54:08 PM
http://blinkoncrime.com/2010/09/09/kyron-horman-missing-case-review-and-birthday-wishes-to-the-frog-prince/comment-page-8/#commentshttp://blinkoncrime.com/2010/09/09/kyron-horman-missing-case-review-and-birthday-wishes-to-the-frog-prince/comment-page-8/#comments

enumclawrose says:
September 14, 2010 at 5:19 am
Maria Sanchez has a landscape buiness in Hillsboro, close to FM#1. The date on the business registration is May 26th 2010, exactly on week after Elsy took off. The address on the registration is 271195, but it really is 27195 SW Farmington, Hillsboro, WASHINGTON COUNTY, Oregon. Zillow shows it last sold 2003. WA County tax records didn’t show the owner but there is a document referenced.
Can’t post the link, but if you go to the Oregon State Secretary of State Corporation Division, you can search either Maria Sanchez as an individual or Pacific Color Grass as an entity.
690085-98 ABN ACT 05-26-2010 05-26-2012
Entity Name PACIFIC COLOR GRASS
Foreign Name
Affidavit? N
New Search Printer Friendly Associated Names
Type PPB PRINCIPAL PLACE OF BUSINESS
Addr 1 271195 SW FARMINGTON
Addr 2
CSZ HILLSBORO OR 97123 Country UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
The Authorized Representative address is the mailing address for this business.
Type REP AUTHORIZED REPRESENTATIVE Start Date 05-26-2010 Resign Date
Name MARIA SANCHEZ
Addr 1 271195 SW FARMINGTON
Addr 2
CSZ HILLSBORO OR 97123 Country UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
Type REG REGISTRANT
Name MARIA SANCHEZ
Addr 1 271195 SW FARMINGTON
Addr 2
CSZ HILLSBORO OR 97123 Country UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
New Search Printer Friendly Name History
Business Entity Name Name Type Name Status Start Date End Date
PACIFIC COLOR GRASS EN CUR 05-26-2010
Please read before ordering Copies.
New Search Printer Friendly Summary History
Image Date Action Transaction Date Effective Date Status Name/Agent Change Dissolved By
05-26-2010 APPLICATION FOR REGISTRATION 05-26-2010 FI Representative
New Search Printer Friendly Counties
Counties Filed
Clackamas, Multnomah, Washington
Counties Not Filed (but not necessarily available)
Baker, Benton, Clatsop, Columbia, Coos, Crook, Curry, Deschutes, Douglas, Gilliam, Grant, Harney, Hood River, Jackson, Jefferson, Josephine, Klamath, Lake, Lane, Lincoln, Linn, Malheur, Marion, Morrow, Polk, Sherman, Tillamook, Umatilla, Union, Wallowa, Wasco, Wheeler, Yamhill



Title: Re: Rudy Sanchez alleged murder for hire
Post by: klaasend on September 14, 2010, 07:54:29 PM
ELSY LEONOR MEJIA-SANCHEZ
http://www.missingkids.com/missingkids/servlet/PubCaseSearchServlet?act=viewCsawDetail&caseNum=1148744&orgPrefix=NCMC&seqNum=1&caseLang=en_US&searchLang=en_US

(http://www.missingkids.com/photographs/NCMC1148744a1.jpg)

Jamie and Ubaldo were allegedly abducted by their mother, Elsy Mejia-Sanchez, on May 19, 2010. A felony warrant for Custodial Interference was issued for Elsy on July 27, 2010

Mrs. Sanchez ....

If she allegedly abducted the children on May 19 and immediately headed for Mexico, she would have been out of the U.S. by June 4.

If LE thinks she is hiding in the U.S., especially in the Portland area, then they would be looking for her with questions regarding Kyron.

If her husband blames Terri for his wife's leaving with his children, then he would have a motive for taking Kyron.

Does anyone know if there are Hispanic students at Skyline? If so, Hispanic adults would blend in with the parents the day of the Science Fair. If not, they would be noticed. If RS is involved, he may have been able to put pressure on a non-Hispanic adult to take Kyron.

RS might have been granted full custody by the courts after his wife disappeared with the children without a month or two of contact with RS.

LE must be going nuts with all the possibilities of what happened, though I sadly believe they have been searching for a body along with any possible clues for a long time.
I found the statistics for Skyline School for 2008, but nothing more up to date...I'll go ahead and post what I found though.

Student Ethnicity (2008)

White                            83%           
Asian/Pacific Islander        9%
Hispanic                         4%
Black                             3%                   
American Indian               1%



http://www.education.com/schoolfinder/us/oregon/portland/skyline-elementary-school/environment/


Title: Re: Rudy Sanchez alleged murder for hire
Post by: sackyattack on September 14, 2010, 07:56:37 PM
secretary extroadinaire who still cant spell very well ::MonkeyKiss::  hopefully with our info and theirs someone can make some more sense of all this, today i can cut/paste but not understand ::MonkeyConfused::  i will finish up and try to actually read this stuff tomorrow!


Title: Re: Rudy Sanchez alleged murder for hire
Post by: sackyattack on September 14, 2010, 08:21:11 PM
a little more infor from blink on this, sacky
i beleive this substantiates the hiring of rs in the landscaping:
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Zack a landscaper stating he tried to contact with TH in April due to an ad she placed on Service Magic.

http://www.kxl.com/EXCLUSIVE-AUDIO--Landscaper-Acted-on-Lead-From-Ter/7620648

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http://blinkoncrime.com/2010/09/09/kyron-horman-missing-case-review-and-birthday-wishes-to-the-frog-prince/comment-page-3/#comments
September 11, 2010 at 8:20 am
Blink, you mention that Service Magic deleted RS Landscape maintenance from their website on June 21. What could they have known at that point that we did not? That was long before we had heard anything at all about a landscaper or any supposed murder for hire plot. Coincidence?
I cannot confirm whether Service Master deleted his profile or Mr. Sanchez himself, just that it was and on that date.
Service Master is really just a lead generation for small business to hit a google search
.


Title: Re: Rudy Sanchez alleged murder for hire
Post by: sackyattack on September 14, 2010, 08:23:50 PM
http://blinkoncrime.com/2010/09/09/kyron-horman-missing-case-review-and-birthday-wishes-to-the-frog-prince/comment-page-8/#comments
Rich M says:
September 13, 2010 at 2:19 pm
At the time it was posted, I paid little attention to the Craigslist that was offered up here regarding TMH looking for a new landscaper.
Now that the 5/09 date is out there, I am curious now to compare the timing of the Craigslist to the 911 call/incident.
Does anyone know what date it was (year included) that TMH put out a craigslist for a landscaper? Was it a few days after the 911 call just to potentially piss off RS? Was it a legit craigslist because she knew she wanted to get rid of RS (for possibly personal/relationship reasons)? And she told her mom it was because he was an illegal just to keep her mom from asking questions?
TIA for anyone who remembers where to find that craigslist. I would be curious to compare

answer:
September 13, 2010 at 4:04 pm
Rich M, it wasn’t Craigslist, it was Service Magic. This links to the source of that info. Sounds to me as if the guy says it was April 27.
http://www.kxl.com/pages/7620648.php?


Title: Re: Rudy Sanchez alleged murder for hire
Post by: sackyattack on September 14, 2010, 08:24:47 PM
http://blinkoncrime.com/2010/09/09/kyron-horman-missing-case-review-and-birthday-wishes-to-the-frog-prince/comment-page-8/#comments
Rich M says:
September 13, 2010 at 2:19 pm
At the time it was posted, I paid little attention to the Craigslist that was offered up here regarding TMH looking for a new landscaper.
Now that the 5/09 date is out there, I am curious now to compare the timing of the Craigslist to the 911 call/incident.
Does anyone know what date it was (year included) that TMH put out a craigslist for a landscaper? Was it a few days after the 911 call just to potentially piss off RS? Was it a legit craigslist because she knew she wanted to get rid of RS (for possibly personal/relationship reasons)? And she told her mom it was because he was an illegal just to keep her mom from asking questions?
TIA for anyone who remembers where to find that craigslist. I would be curious to compare

answer:
September 13, 2010 at 4:04 pm
Rich M, it wasn’t Craigslist, it was Service Magic. This links to the source of that info. Sounds to me as if the guy says it was April 27.
http://www.kxl.com/pages/7620648.php?

http://blinkoncrime.com/2010/09/09/kyron-horman-missing-case-review-and-birthday-wishes-to-the-frog-prince/comment-page-8/#comments
Ode says:
September 13, 2010 at 5:09 pm
25.Annals says:
September 13, 2010 at 4:04 pm
Rich M, it wasn’t Craigslist, it was Service Magic. This links to the source of that info. Sounds to me as if the guy says it was April 27.
http://www.kxl.com/pages/7620648.php?
****
Annals, Did you look at the comment on this page?
Interesting May 8th was one day B-4 Mother’s Day.
April 27 2010 Service Magic May 8th decided she had already filled the position. Yard Cleanup on medium sized yard. All American Cleaning and Landscape ~ Zack.
Very interesting!
ISC ..(I’m so confused). May 8- May 9, June 4-June 5 June 26-26…why do dates all seem to tumble in line? ??Cosmic co-inky??


Title: Re: Rudy Sanchez alleged murder for hire
Post by: sackyattack on September 15, 2010, 02:44:57 AM
what? no one has figured this out yet? i want to check in in the morning and see someone posted, yep their her kids, or nope not rs's kids, or wifey, hehehe i just want someone else to read all this, not meeeeeee
 ::MonkeyQuestion::  i am going:fish:


Title: Re: Rudy Sanchez alleged murder for hire
Post by: Tracygirl on September 16, 2010, 08:27:01 PM
I find it extra interesting there is now a story being released via Jonesr via DeDe via Terri about this man. Why did she find it necessary to bring up this man and supposedly before the MFH she did this? She is saying he was sexually stalking her, he is saying she wanted to hire him to kill her husband. So the truth is probably somewhere in that mess. 



Title: Re: Rudy Sanchez alleged murder for hire
Post by: sackyattack on September 17, 2010, 06:24:06 PM
Murder for hire

http://www.katu.com/news/local/97767249.html


PORTLAND, Ore. – Terri Horman, the stepmother of Kyron Horman missing since June 4, attempted to hire a man to kill her husband, according to a report on The Oregonian's website.
The report has been independently confirmed by a KATU News reporter's source.
Terri Horman reportedly approached a landscaper she had hired and offered him money to kill Kaine Horman, her husband. The incident took place approximately six months ago, according to The Oregonian.
The name of the landscaper allegedly involved in the plot has not been released. Terri Horman has not been charged with any crime.
In late-June, Kaine Horman abruptly moved out of the family home and took the couple's toddler daughter with him. He then filed for divorce from Terri and also was granted a restraining order. In official police documents, his new address was not disclosed.
A few days later, Terri Horman hired a high-profile defense attorney.
Two calls to police from the Hormans were logged on June 26, police said. The exact nature of the calls has not been released. However, one reportedly was related to a custody dispute. The recordings of the 9-1-1 calls have not been released by police.
Terri Horman has come under increasing scrutiny after Kyron, age 7, seemed to vanish from his small school on the outskirts of Portland just more than a month ago. Terri claims she dropped the second-grader off at Skyline School for a science fair and saw him walking to class. He was marked absent for the first class of the day.
Kyron was not reported as missing until nearly 8 hours later, when he failed to exit a school bus taking children home. The failure of the school to call the Hormans after Kyron was marked absent prompted a district-wide revision in procedures by the Portland Public Schools.
 More stories involving Terri Horman
 The search for Kyron Horman
Despite a massive search and thousands of tips, the 7 year old has not been found.
This past Thursday, July 1, Desiree Young – Kyron's biological mother – read a public statement imploring Terri to assist in the investigation.
At a news conference Friday, July 2, Multnomah County Sheriff Dan Stanton told reporters that despite their exhaustive efforts, no credible sightings of the child had been reported.
Stanton did not make any mention of the alleged murder-for-hire plot involving Terri Horman but did say she was cooperating with the investigation.
We will continue to update this story as more information becomes available


http://www.katu.com/news/local/97777564.html

PORTLAND, Ore. – In the wake of the Sunday morning news of an alleged murder-for-hire plot claiming Terri Horman tried to have her soon-to-be-ex-husband Kaine killed, authorities now confirm detectives shared this information with Kaine Horman just before he filed for divorce, moved out of their home and took their daughter with him.

A landscaper who worked for the Horman family claims the stepmother to missing boy Kyron Horman offered him a "large sum of money" to do the deed. He alleges she approached him about six to seven months before Kyron disappeared.

The landscaper has not been identified. We have called Terri's newly-hired attorney, Stephen Houze. He has yet to return our calls.

On Sunday KATU also received our first confirmation that Terri Horman has been the subject of a prior investigation regarding her parenting.

A source confirmed late Sunday afternoon that the Oregon Department of Human Services opened a case on Terri Horman following a 2005 arrest and charge of driving under the influence. Her biological son, who was 11 at the time, was in the car when his mother was arrested. As such, Horman also was convicted of reckless endangerment of that son.

Horman pleaded guilty in that incident. She had her license suspended for a month and a half, and served out a 12-month probation for those convictions.

We called the Department of Human Services to try to get answers from the agency's case file. Instead, DHS workers referred us to investigators working Kyron Horman's disappearance case.

Meanwhile, authorities involved in the search for the missing Skyline second grader this weekend are asking those who think they see Kyron to call 9-1-1 immediately. They do have a tipline for information about Kyron's disappearance, at 503-261-2847, and will continue to operate that line. However, operators there say it can take some time to get through all the tips. Those with immediate sightings then should call emergency dispatch.

There is a reward of up to $25,000 to help find this missing Northeast Portland 7 year old.


http://www.kgw.com/news/kyron-horman/Second-grade-student-missing-from-Skyline-Elementary-95670454.html

excerpt: Police were prepared to arrest Terri Horman on June 26 for plotting to kill her husband, KGW has learned from a reliable source.
On June 26th, the landscaper, who is cooperating with authorities and was wearing a wire, met with Terri and an undercover officer. Police were prepared to arrest her if she implicated herself but Terri cut the conversation short.
Later that day, Kaine was told that she had plotted against him and took their 19-month-old daughter and moved out.
The source told KGW that Terri approached a landscaper who had been working on their property in Northwest Portland and asked him if he would kill her husband for "a large sum of money."
Kaine Horman learned of the plot from investigators who said she may have tried to hire other people, too, according to sources familiar with the conversation. Terri said she was in a bad marriage and claimed that Kaine had "hurt" her, according to the sources. The Oregonian first reported the plot Sunday morning. KGW independently confirmed the report through a source close to the investigation


http://www.kgw.com/news/Hormanprobelatest-97771724.html
excerpt:
Later that day, Kaine was told by investigators that she had plotted against him. He was also told "if she did it once, there's a chance she did it other times and we're investigating that possibility," according to a source close to the investigation.
That night Kaine took their 19-month-old daughter and moved out.
According to sources, Terri Horman had talked to the landscaper about being in a bad marriage and had claimed that Kaine had "hurt" her emotionally.
The Oregonian first reported the murder-for-hire plot Sunday morning. KGW independently confirmed the report through a reliable source.
The landscaper - whom Terri had hired to do work last November without Kaine's knowledge - came forward to investigators as they reached out to everyone that they could find who had had contact with the family. While he said he had no intention of carrying out the plot, he did believe that he would be getting something from Terri.
"She led him on," sources said.
Police records showed that Terri made two calls to 911 on the night of June 26. The first time, at 5:17PM, was recorded as being related to "threats" and the second time, at 11:39PM, which was recorded as a "custody" issue and was made after it was clear to her that Kaine and their daughter were not returning






http://www.kgw.com/home/Hormanprobelatest-97771724.html

http://images.bimedia.net/documents/restraining-order-horman.pdf
















Another article re mfh
http://www.kgw.com/news/Court-doc-Kaine-Terri-Horman-kyron-horman-contempt-sexting-98270654.html
excerpt: The filing alleges that Terri took the restraining order to Cook's home, where she showed him the document and allowed him to take cell phone photos of the document, which included Kaine's new address. He shared information from the restraining order with at least two other unidentified people, according to the court document.
The filing also stated that a police search of Cook's phone found that Cook had done a Google search to map Kaine's new address but that he told police he did not go to the residence.

Excerpt: The motion also states police told Kaine that Terri exchanged hundred of text messages with Cook and several photographs of Terri Horman "in various stages of undress and graphic sexual activity." According to the filing, the "sexual nature" of the relationship between Cook and Terri Horman began on or about June 30, four days after Kaine Horman moved out of the family's Northwest Portland home.

Excerpt: Similarities to Murder-for-Hire plot
Monday's court filing also stated that police had told Kaine that Terri's "sexual overtures to Mr. Cook resemble those made to the man Respondent (Terri Horman) attempted to hire to murder Petitioner (Kaine)."
In the original restraining order filing, Kaine stated that police had told him Terri had tried to hire a landscaper to kill Kaine. MORE: Murder-for-hire-plot
Cook denies sexual relations
In an interview with KGW on Monday, Cook admitted that he had used his cell phone to photograph the sealed restraining order, and that he had engaged in "sexting" with Terri Horman.
Cook also admitted having "inappropriate communication" with Terri Horman but he denied having sexual relations with her. "I never slept with her," Cook told KGW.
Cook did admit that he had Googled Kaine Horman's new address on his cell phone.
"She wanted to find out where Kiara was," Cook told KGW.
"I'm a pretty straight shooter," said Cook. "I didn't have sex with her."


http://blinkoncrime.com/2010/08/26/kyron-horman-case-terri-horman-attorneys-call-her-a-suspect/#more-4534


http://blinkoncrime.com/category/kyron-horman/rudy-sanchez/
Excerpt: Of particular interest, is source confirmation that the landscaper Terri Horman hired last fall, who worked on the Horman property, had met Kyron at the residence as well as the Skyline School, where his firm had been contracted to do some work.
Rudy Sanchez, of RS Landscape Maintenance since 2008 has told MCSO that Terri Horman attempted to hire him in a murder for hire plot against her husband Kaine. Sanchez then agreed to participate in a surreptitious sting that included a body wire and a 911 call where patrolman had to be told by detectives this was an “on the job” non-threat. As fairly isolated areas go, this one has had a fair share of 911 calls.

No charges were filed by Ms. Horman against Mr. Sanchez.
A search for Multnomah County arrests under the last name Sanchez, show a United States Marshall arrest and hold of a Anselmo Sanchez since July 8th. It is unknown if this individual is held in the disappearance of Kyron Horman.


How close is rudy sanchez work,home,etc to skyline school, if th left the school with kyron in the truck, is it a possib that she could have gone to his home, work, and still made it to fm quickly?
Kyron possibly knew rs DOCUMENT and rs could have been in the truck at skyline that morning.  Can we rule this in or out?









Title: Re: Rudy Sanchez alleged murder for hire
Post by: sackyattack on September 17, 2010, 06:25:44 PM
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enumclawrose says:
September 14, 2010 at 5:22 am
http://www.mapquest.com/maps?1c=Hillsboro&1s=OR&1a=27195+SW+Farmington+Rd&1z=97123-9116&1y=US&1l=45.45105&1g=-122.95719&1v=ADDRESS&2pn=Fred+Meyer+Pharmacy&2c=Beaverton&2s=OR&2a=15995+SW+Walker+Rd&2z=97006&2y=US&2l=45.517476&2g=-122.841775&2v=ADDRESS&2id=12333878#initPgSt
If this link works, it goes from Skyline, to both FM’s, Maria Sanchez’s property and DDS’s work all in under an hour of drive time.
Kind of interesting.

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puzzled says:
September 14, 2010 at 8:24 am
Let me see if I’ve got this …
Maria G. Sanchez is the authorized representative for Sanchez Nursery Sales in Woodburn. Maria Sanchez has a landscape buiness in Hillsboro.
Rudy Sanchez is RS Landscaping Maintenance in Canby and there is a Sanchez Landscaping Maintenance in Woodburn.
I understand that Sanchez is a very popular and common name, but my question is the familia relationship between these people.
Also, just askin’, in this economic downturn, where are the Sanchezs getting the money for start-up businesses???
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Rich M says:
September 14, 2010 at 9:19 am
Blink-do you still think that Elsy and kids going missing is still unrelated to this case?
Another thought-I am waging the intro to RS came from Dede?
I said it was a separate issue, not necessary unrelated.
Let me say why- when we talk about the amount of permutations of names these individuals are using, I am wary of confirming “who is who” as in defined, by their name, because, honestly, I have intel about several individuals also linked to said addresses that have not come up yet.
B


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Rich M says:
September 14, 2010 at 9:34 am
OK, this may sound like a stretch since everyone and their brother has a white truck in this state (even more bizarre that another white truck shows up on the street outside the hillsboro Sanchez nursery address, but the truck does go on past the driveway as you scroll further on down the road).
This SHOULD drop you right in front of the Hillsboro address. It appears there is a white truck in the driveway also.
I have to wonder if the police checked out these properties (owned/related to the Sanchez family.)
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=27195+SW+FARMINGTON,+hillsboro+or&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=45.418852,79.541016&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=27195+SW+Farmington+Rd,+Hillsboro,+Washington,+Oregon+97123&ll=45.451163,-122.957615&spn=0.000621,0.001214&t=h&z=20&layer=c&cbll=45.451129,-122.957484&panoid=nQYejDv6B7KWVpFtnSJnEg&cbp=12,32.52,,0,3.41


Title: Re: Rudy Sanchez alleged murder for hire
Post by: sackyattack on September 17, 2010, 06:26:38 PM
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Rich M says:
September 14, 2010 at 9:43 am
I googled the address and it is obvious that it was previously a landscaping business. The plants didnt just sprout overnite. (And jftr, the google maps pics could have been taken years ago so may not be accurate and representative of what is there TODAY, but I did find it ironic.)
Previously listed at that address was “Oregon Ornamentals”.COMPANY OVERVIEW
OREGON ORNAMENTALS is in the Ornamental Floriculture Nursery Products industry in HILLSBORO, OR. This company currently has approximately 1 to 5 employees and annual sales of Under $500,000.
COMPANY DETAILS
Location Type
Single Location
Industry
Ornamental Floriculture Nursery Products
Year Founded
1977
Sales Range
Under $500,000
Employees
1 to 5
The address is also associated with a business called “Hillsboro siding”
Hours
Hours not available. Please contact Hillsboro Siding at (503) 840-8201.
Categories
Siding Materials
In Business Since
2008
AKA
Hillsboro Siding, Llc
Key Hillsboro Siding, LLC Financials
Employees At This Location 2
Employees Total 2 (this info was all taken from different googled sources, which I could link if necessary. Just FYI I googled the address and thats it.)
Funny thing is, while perusing veromi.net it listed hillsboro siding for one of the players, possibly Ubaldo but I have to go back and look. I am going to launch this comment before I look because my computer is wonky



Title: Re: Rudy Sanchez alleged murder for hire
Post by: sackyattack on September 17, 2010, 06:27:20 PM
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Rich M says:
September 14, 2010 at 10:09 am
In Veromi, I put in Jaime Sanchez in a search in oregon. I wonder about one of the hits (number 20 I think) that listed an Elizabeth Sanchez Sanchez as a relation. (Ely?) This person was also listed as Elizabeth S Estrada.
If what you guys were saying about nomenclature is correct (and I admit my understanding is fuzzy), would that make Elizabeth (or is it Ely?) a sister of RS? Could this Ely be Anselmos wife? And could she have taken off because AS was out of jail? So she took off with the kids? Could young Ubaldo be a US Citizen with the social security number they all use for their business endeavours? If young Ubaldo was a citizen, would that then justify the “custodial interferance”?
Note too that this Elizabeth has connections in Texas and I believe Puerto Rico.
Side note: A sanchez painting company comes up linked to Ubaldo. The name Bautista comes up but may be unrelated. So does Rodolfo Sanchez and Rodolfo S Estrada. Maria is also listed as Maria Guadalupe Sanchez.
Forgive me if any of this confuses anyone. I just think it is a useful source of info. I looked up myself and saw former housemates listed who are unrelated to me, so it is somewhat accurate to a point. If someone is a business associate it will be listed there and in some cases, a former homeowner may be listed there.
Does anyone know how one can go about finding out if a child’s social security number is being used by another adult in the family? I noticed a minor child in my family was listed and I suspect her mother is ruining her credit by using her ss# but I have no way to check it out (or have the father check it out.) Sorry for the unrelated question, just thought someone here might be in the know.



Title: Re: Rudy Sanchez alleged murder for hire
Post by: sackyattack on September 17, 2010, 06:28:23 PM
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puzzled says:
September 14, 2010 at 11:20 am
Blink-do you still think that Elsy and kids going missing is still unrelated to this case?
I said it was a separate issue, not necessary unrelated.
Let me say why- when we talk about the amount of permutations of names these individuals are using, I am wary of confirming “who is who” as in defined, by their name, because, honestly, I have intel about several individuals also linked to said addresses that have not come up yet.
B
~~~
which would be the Associates in RS & Associates you have referred to from the beginning of this story. Oh dear!!



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puzzled says:
September 14, 2010 at 11:51 am
I must admit I am color blind when it comes to white trucks.. they all look alike to me. But now I GET IT .. LE was not looking for KH’s white truck on the side road, but a LS white truck.
Hmmm … seems I recall B suggesting TH drove the truck that day because maybe she didn’t want one someone to recognize she was there



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Rich M says:
September 14, 2010 at 12:14 pm
@Neighbor: agreed, it does look like a similar logo. But I am sure it is simply driving by the property. (If you walk the little man further down the road you see that the truck continues beyond the driveway.)
I totally hear you on the dirt as well, and the need for a 4wd.
Washington County Tax assessor website on the parcel of land in question:
http://washims.co.washington.or.us/InterMap/theDetails.cfm?x_coord=7571690.78649221&y_coord=660430.03512103&theAddress=27195%20SW%20FARMINGTON%20RD.%20HILLSBORO%20OR,%2097123&TLNO=1S2290001204&Account=R397350&GoNav=2
I cannot tell who owns the property, as well as those adjacent. It is about 2 acres and has a small house on it. There is another lot directly behind it with a home on it and farm land on either side.



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Rich M says:
September 14, 2010 at 12:35 pm
This may have no relevance, and is only the Washington County database but here goes:There is a Juan Carlos Sanchez-Sanchez who was arrested within the last week or so who is being held by ICE and was in jail for possession and intent to distribute Meth and Coke.
Error! Hyperlink reference not valid.
(For the sleuthers, this site has a ton of reliable, free, useful links for Oregon. http://publicrecords.onlinesearches.com/OR_Washington.htm )




Title: Re: Rudy Sanchez alleged murder for hire
Post by: sackyattack on September 17, 2010, 06:29:10 PM
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Midwest Mom says:
September 14, 2010 at 2:18 pm
Thanks Neighbor,
Here is some names that I found associated with Rudy
Rodolfo E Sanchez
36
• Canby, OR
• Clackamas, OR
• Woodburn, OR
• Oregon City, OR
• Rodolfo Sanchez
• Luis Lopez
• Rene Lopez
• Roberto Lopez Sanchez
• Florentino Mendoza
Blink, FYI I am using another computer, hubby has my laptop, somtimes it puts me in spam if I switch


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enumclawrose says:
September 14, 2010 at 3:33 pm
Blinks response to Shelly 09/13 11:19 pm
We are talking about 2 different families, 2 different events.
The family they were looking for (Via Roger) had a child that went to school with Kyron and then the Sanchez and their alleged abductor. I can connect LS to a Ubaldo R in Woodburn, yes.
Puzzled, you had a post a couple of days ago with Elsy @ 955 S Pacific Hwy. Were you able to confirm her to that address? If so, I think that is HUGE, because if, like Blink says, she can connect Ubaldo R in Woodburn, and if he is at the S Pacific Hwy address, to LS (Rudy Sanchez), then Elsy is connected to Rudy.
cartwheel says:
September 14, 2010 at 4:11 pm
ok. i’m confused. i thought Rudy lived in canby. if you go to google maps and enter the address, IF this milwaukie address is correct (per rich M), it’s a small, modest home. i mean, that address is clackamas county, but it is not canby.
http://maps.google.com/maps?ie=UTF-8&hl=en&tab=wl



Title: Re: Rudy Sanchez alleged murder for hire
Post by: sackyattack on September 17, 2010, 06:30:02 PM
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puzzled says:
September 14, 2010 at 5:29 pm
@enumclawrose …
I was searching Elsy and came across the Pacific Hwy address (on the missing kids poster) and I jotted the address down .. then I looked up RS in Canby, then I google mapped the two addresses. When you asked me to verify Ely’s Pacific Hwy address, I looked and looked and could not find my previous search. Since yesterday, all that comes up for Elsy is our posts on this site. Don’t know where the address on the poster went.



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MockingbirdSings says:
September 9, 2010 at 4:47 am
MockingbirdSings says:
September 9, 2010 at 4:50 am
@ cartwheel and Rich M and anyone else researching the house related to Rudy – if you missed the posts I linked to above, you can go back and get some more information. I didn’t post the street number, but I have it and it’s part of public information. I wasn’t sure who else lives there now besides Jaime who seems to be Rudy’s brother – maybe people who are not involved in this case at all.
Rudy’s Canby address was only a PO Box. According to the Milwaukie tax map, the house isn’t actually in the Milwaukie city limits but is in Clackamas County. Rudy used this address for his business name application in Oregon – I’m not entirely sure whether he actually lived there at any point, or who else does besides Jaime.
If Rudy’s truck was indeed registered in Washington, he would have needed a Washington address at the time and until he moved, or he could have licensed it as a business vehicle in Washington if he had a business address connection there. Since Blink said it was registered in Washington, I was hoping she would know and give us the address used or at least a hint.
The UCC information which refers to a Rodolfo Sanchez only lists who money is owed to for legal action if needed, not what the loans are for. All 4 of those appear to relate in some way to Muchas Gracias in Vancouver which I think Blink says is owned by a different person. I don’t think the actual loan application for anyone’s truck would be a public document, so the information would have to come by checking the license plate number which we don’t have and which is not accessible to the general public in Oregon, and probably Washington, as far as I know (it used to be).
Another possibility could be that he leased it in Washington and the leasing company would still be considered the owner. In that case, I’m unclear whether the truck would have a WA license plate or an OR plate if he lived here – I was hoping Blink would say because a WA plate would narrow things down a bit when watching what’s happening here.
I’d be surprised if Rudy still lived at the house now, if he ever actually did. I would think LE would have him somewhere else less accessible to media or whoever. Maybe he has in-laws in Washington



Title: Re: Rudy Sanchez alleged murder for hire
Post by: sackyattack on September 17, 2010, 06:30:42 PM
Rich M says:
September 14, 2010 at 8:47 pm
http://blinkoncrime.com/2010/09/09/kyron-horman-missing-case-review-and-birthday-wishes-to-the-frog-prince/comment-page-10/#comments
Blink: My posts may have jettisoned into Blog###. If they are not lost, let me apologize now for duplicate post but it is just too important not to ask.
Are these posts relating to the different potential players a help or hinderance?
Should we cease and desist?
If it turns out it is helpful, that is good. I don’t wish to take away from Kyron but at the same time I feel like we might be hot on the trail of his abductors.
One thing I came across is that Ubaldo F Sanchez also uses the name Fernandez Ubaldo Sanchez. ### this gets confusing!


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enumclawrose says:
September 14, 2010 at 9:35 pm
7.puzzled says:
September 14, 2010 at 5:29 pm
My experience EXACTLY! I saw that address on a missing poster and it looks as though it has been removed. Thought I was losing it


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Word Girl says:
September 15, 2010 at 1:00 am
Rich M. thanks for the Clack Cty tax map. That house with the brick front seems unusual for Oregon. Many homes are wood contruction.
Nice yard, too. Did you see the grey-haired, white lady mowing her yard next door? Her husband in standing in the garage watching. Just an interesting glimpse.
Cartwheel, your link didn’t work, but I believe there is only the one Renada St. Didn’t Mock drive down it? I disagree, though, that 3100sf is a small, modest home.
This map will take you to that address (and check the street view for the lady mowing.) http://tinyurl.com/26mfj86



Title: Re: Rudy Sanchez alleged murder for hire
Post by: sackyattack on September 17, 2010, 06:31:36 PM
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enumclawrose says:
September 15, 2010 at 2:27 am
I found two UCC filings for Rodolfo Sanchez, both with addresses in Vancouver. Blink, are the names Mark S Zimel and Craig F Eisenberg relevant to this case? If not, I don’t want to waste every ones time. If so, OMG! We thought the tangled Sanchez web was confusing, well this web of businesses and connections is even more daunting and “we’re movin’ on up to the big league.”
Blink, I don’t know how you keep up on one case, let alone all the cases you have here. I consider even if these people are involved, LE already knows that and we are playing catch up, trying to understand and make some sense of a senseless situation. What bothers me, it they have this part all figured out and we still don’t know where Kyron is.
That is WA Rodolfo, not OR Rudy.
B

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panda says:
September 15, 2010 at 9:44 am
I also saw the Woodburn address somewhere official and then went back later to verify but it was gone. Who has the power and ability to scrub that so quickly and efficiently?

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Rich M says:
September 15, 2010 at 11:36 am
@Madilu: On an unrelated note: Esperanza SanchezFernand, age 33. -missing?
Hmmmm interesting. Where did you hear that or is it merely speculation? That name came up related to Ubaldo as well. (I inadvertantly misreported this but Ubaldo is also listed as Fernand or Fernandez B Sanchez.)
@Word Girl: yes, it is very cool the stuff you can see with Google maps. I sometimes like to drop myself in foreign places such as the Eiffel Tower, London Bridge, Notre Dame, etc. I am with you also about the 3K sq ft house, but as I stated before it is relative as to what one deems large or small….


Title: Re: Rudy Sanchez alleged murder for hire
Post by: sackyattack on September 17, 2010, 06:32:18 PM
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Rich M says:
September 15, 2010 at 11:52 am
Weird, the FBI website for Portland does not have the Mejia-Sanchez kids listed there.
http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/kidnap/kidmiss.htm (also not listed under family abductions)



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Ode says:
September 15, 2010 at 12:31 pm
http://www.facebook.com/people/Elsy-Puerto/100000550402361
Elsy may go by the alias last name Mejia-Puerto.
http://www.missingkids.com/missingkids/servlet/PubCaseSearchServlet?act=viewCsawDetail&caseNum=1148744&orgPrefix=NCMC&seqNum=1&caseLang=en_US&searchLang=en_US
Do you think this is the same woman? Notice it says she is a teacher.
beejay says:
September 15, 2010 at 12:33 pm
Here’s the cached version, last captured by Google on Aug. 28 of the poster for the missing Mejia-sanchez kids. That address we’re looking for wasn’t there then. And I doubt they added it later. I looked everywhere early yesterday and all day long for the address to be with the missing persons notices. Nada.
In fact, could that even be done legally? (child protection law–kids under 13). Don’t think it’s a good idea or would be the practice of the usual issuing agencies.
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:2-Y7yjWGYtsJ:www.missingkids.com/missingkids/servlet/PubCaseSearchServlet%3Fact%3DviewPoster%26caseNum%3D1148744%26orgPrefix%3DNCMC%26searchLang%3Den_US+http://www.ncmec.org/missingkids/servlet/PubCaseSearchServlet%3Fact%3DviewPoster%26caseNum%3D1148744%26orgPrefix%3DNCMC%26searchLang%3Den_US&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us




Title: Re: Rudy Sanchez alleged murder for hire
Post by: sackyattack on September 17, 2010, 06:33:15 PM
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Rich M says:
September 15, 2010 at 12:50 pm
Gadzooks, I just now noticed the post by Mockingbirdsings directing me elsewhere for info on the Estrada Sanchez connections.
Thanks for the insights and that sure is interesting about all the big money floating around.
Funny that on the clean factor website the owner “changed his name” to “Estrade”.



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panda says:
September 15, 2010 at 1:38 pm
About the scrubbing — I could be wrong about that. — sorry
It seemed like there was more stuff coming up yesterday on the Woodburn address. One link in particular I wasn’t finding earlier today that I was able to find just now. It isn’t relevant but it was something I could definitely remember.
I am not able to come up with anything official that puts the missing family at the Woodburn address and I checked cached versions of the flier.




Title: Re: Rudy Sanchez alleged murder for hire
Post by: sackyattack on September 17, 2010, 06:33:57 PM
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justthinking says:
September 15, 2010 at 1:54 pm
re: puzzled says:
September 14, 2010 at 11:16 pm
15.enumclawrose says:
September 14, 2010 at 9:35 pm
My experience EXACTLY! I saw that address on a missing poster and it looks as though it has been removed. Thought I was losing it.
~~~~~~
OMG … Thank You!! I thought maybe I was just an idiot who couldn’t search and link. I KNOW I saw the address. I wrote it down and then on second thought decided to cross-reference with RS. Not thinking anything would come of it. NOW, for the life of me, I cannot find the addess. I KNOW it was on the poster on missing kids.
Woodburn addy on missing elsy mejia sanchez, we posted the pics and print out, hope that’s what your looking for:
Reply #7 on: September 12, 2010, 06:38:07 PM »
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8508.0



Title: Re: Rudy Sanchez alleged murder for hire
Post by: sackyattack on September 17, 2010, 06:34:31 PM
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puzzled says:
September 15, 2010 at 2:22 pm
my apologies .. I am not as adept in deep internet searching (impressive) as many of the Blinksters .. I saw the address and wrote it down .. that’s the extent of my search and post abilities.
This mom and two children may be unrelated to RS & Associates, BUT what did capture my attention were the names of the children being the same as RS Associates plus the window of disappearance fits the May 9th timeframe. Because certain particulars about this disappearence cannot be verified on the internet does not mean these people are not related. I don’t know.
Personally, I agree with Rich, I feel like we might be hot on the trail of KY’s abductors. Maybe, just maybe, the TH trail was a fake out.
If it turns out it is helpful, that is good. I don’t wish to take away from Kyron but at the same time I feel like we might be hot on the trail of his abductors


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MockingbirdSings says:
September 15, 2010 at 2:39 pm
To Rich M – I am not at all confident that the changes we see are always or even often intentional. Typos are common and handwriting varies a lot. Forms do not require information to be complete enough to really compare.
I do know that people with a criminal record may list another person or relative as the first representative on a form such as registration for an assumed business name. For these kinds of business forms, if they check someone’s background at all, usually it is only the first name listed which is checked




Title: Re: Rudy Sanchez alleged murder for hire
Post by: sackyattack on September 17, 2010, 06:35:13 PM
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Midwest Mom says:
September 15, 2010 at 2:43 pm
I have not found a connection between Elsy and RS and associates. Im thinking it was the name of Jamie and Ubaldo that led to linking them together. However…
Im concerned about Elsy, Jamie and Ubaldo family that has gone missing. because.. NO ONE IS LOOKING FOR THEM!! I’m not talking about LE or the FBI, I am talking about FAMILY, FRIENDS, GRAND PARENTS. I have been to so many websites and no one stating that my daughter and grandchildren are missing. My neighbor, co-worker, my friend.. NOTHING. There is a flier. In the middle of one of the largest missing children investigation in Oregon history not one person who cares about these three people has inserted themselves onto a message board asking for help in finding them? telling their story? Saying hey, while looking for Kyron would you please keep your eyes open…Something is wrong!
Who reported them missing?
COINCIDENCE? The day that find Kyron reward money was increased, -07/27/10 Felony warrant in place for Mrs. Sanchez- FELONY CUSTODIAL INTERFERENCE. FELONY??
Does that mean custodial interference of her children and their father? hard to believe since no one appears to be interested!Or custodial interference of another child and parents?
GGGRRR..




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amychika says:
September 15, 2010 at 3:02 pm
@ MockingbirdSings
not only —
“Many people think a child’s last 2 names are exactly the same as mom’s and dad’s, but that is often not true. We tend to think it is somehow deceitful, although we are the ones getting it wrong, or we don’t want to cause embarrassment so we don’t ask enough questions.”
— but also, married couple often has different endings to the last (name male/fem. indicators) which in turn appear by U.S. standards as 2 different sure names; however, when person from the same country reads last name, he has no problem identifying exactly who is who majority of the time, lol.
Another variation in sure names stems from the fact that children and father carry same last name but wife does not, she keeps her maiden name(seen in Arabic + other countries).



Title: Re: Rudy Sanchez alleged murder for hire
Post by: sackyattack on September 17, 2010, 06:35:55 PM
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enumclawrose says:
September 15, 2010 at 3:03 pm
Panda,Puzzled, Like you, I know what I saw. From this point on I will hit the print button.
Ode 09/15 @ 12:35 I think those two women have a strong resemblance to each-other and the fact that FB Elsy is a teacher is more than interesting.
I think Blinks remarks a few days ago about the felony custodial interference says it all, where she implies that a custody order would normally be in place before such a warrant would be issued and there was not such an order and LE really wants to talk to this woman. What I take away from that is that at the very least, LE cannot cross Elsy off of the list yet.
Since we are not privy to all of LE’s information, and Blink has made various LS relies, and with no new information at hand, I think understand Rudy & Associates is a reasonable direction to go and understand, if we can, WHO’S WHO.
Midwest Mom 09/15 @2:43 I agree and interesting about the dates of the warrant and reward money. HORMAN and SANCHEZ names are linked in more ways than one and what are the odds that both families have the only missing children, besides runaways, just seventeen days apart. Coincidence, maybe, but if it is a coincidence, it’s a huge coincidence.


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Rich M says:
September 15, 2010 at 3:06 pm
@Ode: There is a strong resemblance between those two women but I dont think they are the same based on a few things. For one, she lists her kids on FB as 16 yo Miguel Antonio. Also, she is from Honduras, which I have not heard connected at this point. Additionally, I looked through her “friends” and do not see any Mejia, Sanchez or Estrada connections, which I would have hoped to find if it was the same woman.
@Puzzled and others: the link that I found, so far, between Elsy Mejia and the Sanchez group is that she is listed in the white pages as living with Ubaldo.
745 NE 162nd Ave
Portland, OR 97230-5749
Household: Mejia Elsie,
Ubaldo is listed at the Highway 99 address for the business(es) along with Maria G Sanchez. Unfortunately it gets confusing when additional names are thrown into the mix such as Ubaldo going as Fernandez or Fernand, or using B as a middle initial and I think there is an R middle initial with one of them as well. I have not figured out who is who yet



Title: Re: Rudy Sanchez alleged murder for hire
Post by: sackyattack on September 17, 2010, 06:36:51 PM
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panda says:
September 15, 2010 at 3:52 pm
Mockingbird-
The agent with the LS on the sting was DEA. Why DEA? Wouldn’t they send local LE or FBI? Maybe the MFH plot was made up by LE to not tell the real reason for the sting. Maybe what was going on with TH and RS had something to do with drugs. All this other stuff, that doesn’t add up, are red herrings that we’ve been thrown



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MockingbirdSings says:
September 15, 2010 at 5:09 pm
As long as we are tossing out “Ubaldo Sanchez” names, what about the one on the Oregon inmates with ICE detainers list as of December 1, 2008 – date of birth 7-4-76 (interesting birthdate)? The charge was rape. I have searched with his SID number and found nothing else – maybe someone else can. SID 12306654
It’s a 2008 date, of course, but I toss it out because it seems being illegal leads to coming and going and coming back again with a little tweaking here and there of one’s identity. Talking about the disappearance of Elsy and whether she ran away in fear of something, reminded me of this Ubaldo also.
I have a printout. If you want to look at the list you can Google something like Oregon ICE detainees list. This appears to be the only one that comes up because Oregon has now changed how it makes the information available online. It is designed to help people find where their family members are being held. I originally wanted to look for any names that “rang a bell” (including our LS) and went back to the list again when I remembered the “Ubaldo” name. The current list is set up for people to look for a particular person – at least what I have found so far.
Most of the people on the list have really serious charges – it’s eye-opening – homicide, kidnapping, sex abuse, rape, drugs, forgery, etc.
Makes you wonder how many are still here or back again or moved around.
http://www.oregon.gov/DOC/PUBAFF/docs/newsletters/division_news_4_09.pdf?ga=t (from a 2009 newsletter)
ICE Rapid Repatriation
We currently house 1,200 offenders
with Immigrations and Customs Enforcement
(ICE) detainers; this detainer
indicates that the offender is foreign
born. For an offender who has an ICE
detainer, incarcerated for a crime other
than a person felony or Class A misdemeanor,
has six months or less left to
serve and waives objections to deportation
the Governor may choose to commute
their sentence. This would make
them eligible for ICE to deport them.
DOC’s Research Unit estimates that
approximately 225 offenders meet the
broad eligibility criteria for possible
deportation. We are currently reviewing
the list of eligible offenders and ICE
will conduct the necessary interviews.




Title: Re: Rudy Sanchez alleged murder for hire
Post by: sackyattack on September 17, 2010, 06:37:30 PM
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puzzled says:
September 15, 2010 at 5:55 pm
Rich M says:
September 15, 2010 at 3:06 pm
@Puzzled and others: the link that I found, so far, between Elsy Mejia and the Sanchez group is that she is listed in the white pages as living with Ubaldo.
745 NE 162nd Ave
Portland, OR 97230-5749
Household: Mejia Elsie,
Ubaldo is listed at the Highway 99 address for the business(es) along with Maria G Sanchez. Unfortunately it gets confusing when additional names are thrown into the mix such as Ubaldo going as Fernandez or Fernand, or using B as a middle initial and I think there is an R middle initial with one of them as well. I have not figured out who is who yet…



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Rich M says:
September 15, 2010 at 6:35 pm
@Mockingbird: I found the Yamhill county listing for a Ubaldo Sanchez booked for rape (DOB 7/4/76). FYI its all the way down at the bottom. http://www.leg.state.or.us/thatcher/ICElistNov08.pdf
Yamhill is South of Multnomah.I am thinking since no matching records are found, he has been released? Hard to tell.
puzzled says:
September 15, 2010 at 6:51 pm
Midwest Mom 09/15 @2:43 I agree and interesting about the dates of the warrant and reward money. HORMAN and SANCHEZ names are linked in more ways than one and what are the odds that both families have the only missing children, besides runaways, just seventeen days apart. Coincidence, maybe, but if it is a coincidence, it’s a huge coincidence.
~~~~
or a message to someone?



Title: Re: Rudy Sanchez alleged murder for hire
Post by: sackyattack on September 17, 2010, 06:38:17 PM
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Annie says:
September 15, 2010 at 8:51 pm
Rich – “our” Ubaldo from Woodburn is 49, correct? I do not see a connection between him and the Ubaldo born 7/4/76. Am I missing it?

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Word Girl says:
September 15, 2010 at 10:23 pm
I just went to howmanyofme.com to see how many Ubaldo Sanchez’s live
in the United States. Answer=3. How many of Anselmo Sanchez? 3. Rodolfo S.? 76
Since Rudy is the most ‘nailed down,’ I think we should have the others linked up soon.


Title: Re: Rudy Sanchez alleged murder for hire
Post by: sackyattack on September 17, 2010, 06:38:54 PM
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justthinking says:
September 16, 2010 at 3:41 am
maybe they dont have computers:
Midwest Mom says:
September 15, 2010 at 2:43 pm
I have not found a connection between Elsy and RS and associates. Im thinking it was the name of Jamie and Ubaldo that led to linking them together. However…
Im concerned about Elsy, Jamie and Ubaldo family that has gone missing. because.. NO ONE IS LOOKING FOR THEM!! I’m not talking about LE or the FBI, I am talking about FAMILY, FRIENDS, GRAND PARENTS. I have been to so many websites and no one stating that my daughter and grandchildren are missing. My neighbor, co-worker, my friend.. NOTHING. There is a flier. In the middle of one of the largest missing children investigation in Oregon history not one person who cares about these three people has inserted themselves onto a message board asking for help in finding them? telling their story? Saying hey, while looking for Kyron would you please keep your eyes open…Something is wrong!
Who reported them missing?
COINCIDENCE? The day that find Kyron reward money was increased, -07/27/10 Felony warrant in place for Mrs. Sanchez- FELONY CUSTODIAL INTERFERENCE. FELONY??
Does that mean custodial interference of her children and their father? hard to believe since no one appears to be interested!Or custodial interference of another child and parents?
GGGRRR..
If I had to guess, because of the children’s immigration status as citizens, DFS was able to secure a Guardian Ad Litem, which then produced a felony warrant, essentially making them “wards” of the court.
This would all be sealed of course- newsat5?
B


Title: Re: Rudy Sanchez alleged murder for hire
Post by: sackyattack on September 17, 2010, 06:39:38 PM
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Rich M says:
September 16, 2010 at 8:53 am
@Annie: Thanks for the catch regarding birthdates and the noting that they are probably different people.
The Ubaldo rapist is closer in age to Elsy Mejia-Sanchez. That would put the young Ubaldo who was kidnapped as a conjugal visit baby perhaps (given the incarceration in 2008) but one never knows. I would more likely believe Ubaldo on the highway was married to Maria G Sanchez.




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Ode says:
September 16, 2010 at 8:13 pm
ESTRADA, ALEJANDRO JR
Victim Notification (VINE) for this Inmate:InfoSign upSex:M”Race:WDOB:1991-07-20Height:5′ 09″Weight:170JID:PO********MNI:231225FBI:282853WC1SID:17339246ST:ORBooking Charge/Orig OSB Case Court Arrest Agency Security Scheduled Release
In Custody — Last Listed Location — Facility: JL
1009076 163.405 M11 / SODOMY 1ST DEG C101428CR WCC 2010-07-09 HBL
****
Here we go again with our cosmic connecting dates. Alejandro was arrested 7/9/10…


Title: Re: Rudy Sanchez alleged murder for hire
Post by: sackyattack on September 17, 2010, 06:40:18 PM
http://blinkoncrime.com/2010/09/09/kyron-horman-missing-case-review-and-birthday-wishes-to-the-frog-prince/
As reported on blinkoncrime.com, Anselmo was booked into the MCSO on July 8, 2010 on a hold from the US Marshall Service
*****
July 8–July9th, May 8–May 9th, June 4- June 5th, June 26–June 26. Am I forgetting any?


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Sally says:
September 16, 2010 at 9:10 pm
I have never posted to a blog before but discovered Blink on Crime a couple of weeks after Kyron was missing when trying to keep up on the investigation. Does anyone find Blink’s link to the Estrada (Estrade)Carpet Cleaning business to be strange? The three “inserted” comments seem odd to me, and the photo of the baby looks like Kiara at a younger age although I was in no way looking for that or expecting to find something like that. I thought Blink had just included the link so we could see the photo of the brother. Maybe far-fetched. MOO Thanks.
Annals says:
September 16, 2010 at 9:10 pm
MockingbirdSings says:
September 16, 2010 at 1:40 pm
How did we come to know Rudy is married with children?
——————————————————-
From this article under the heading; Rudolfo “Rudy” Estrada Sanchez;
Speaking on the condition of anonymity, a close family friend who has since been interviewed by the FBI, has confirmed that Terri Horman is pointing her finger directly at Sanchez. She has also stated that she and Sanchez had an altercation after she attempted to end their relationship in May which ended in a 911 call and a visit from Clackamas County Sheriff Office in the presence of Sanchez’s wife and children.
—————————————————————–
Mockingbirdsings, this is the first I’ve heard of Rudy’s wife & kids. Actually, backing up a bit; Blink previously implied that she was aware of a wife. It was in the comments area of an old article.
Someone brought over a comment from one of the Portland TV news sites wherein someone else was defending the alledged MFH landscaper. It was something to the effect of; This lovely man has worked on my property and he would never do such a thing.
Blink’s reply was something to the effect; LOL, that’s his wife. I will excavate to see if I can find it.



Title: Re: Rudy Sanchez alleged murder for hire
Post by: sackyattack on September 17, 2010, 06:41:08 PM
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puzzled says:
September 16, 2010 at 9:33 pm
Maybe Elsy is the daughter of Ubaldo and wife/something to Jaime Estrada brother of Rudy Sanchez.
Whaazupwitchu says:
September 16, 2010 at 9:58 pm
There is also an Alejandro Sanchez-Sanchez from Washington Co. from the prison website link Rich posted, and he is close in age to Anselmo (age 28), Alejandro is 27, but i know you can’t necessarily trust all the specific info, also with a rape charge. Geez, these guys..
http://www.leg.state.or.us/thatcher/ICElistNov08.pdf
Maybe Elys wasn’t so mad at RS about the affair, but wanted to get the H out of Dodge due to DHS as someone mentioned, the criminal activities, etc. Does the husband not really know where she is or is it (the custodial charge) just a way for LE to pick her up?
I have heard that now with the border getting tighter down South, they are resorting more to other methods to do the illegals deeds and one way I have heard is planes making drops in the ocean and boats without lights picking them up (guess this is mainly drugs) called ghost boats. Someone else on another site mentioned to check the Hillsboro airport, I don’t know if they had any specific info but it was an idea that I hadn’t thought of before, grab Kyron and fly away quickl, not too much longer to drive to the other side of the area either.
With some of these ideas coming out more and the statements from Sheriff Dan S. I know some of us are sicker than ever. We have to take care of ourselves as well, we cannot change the situation much now, it is up to the Task Force and DAs.
I know PDXers and other might also feel this city is really horrible, but did you read the article in the Oregonian about crime being the lowest since the 60s for 4 major OR cities? ((I tried to post something before and it had this in it, but don’t think it made it up, and that’s OK, it wasn’t too important and things can change a bit anyway, quite rapidly)
http://www.oregonlive.com/news/index.ssf/2010/09/crime_rate_in_oregon_drops_to.html


Title: Re: Rudy Sanchez alleged murder for hire
Post by: sackyattack on September 17, 2010, 06:46:46 PM
kinda out of order but i thought this was helpful info anyway

July 14 article on rudy sanchez

http://blinkoncrime.com/2010/07/14/kyron-horman-missing-and-endangered-landscaper-rudy-sanchez-knew-kyron/comment-page-1/#comments

lily says:
July 15, 2010 at 2:10 am
New article.
http://kezi.com/news/local/181456
Investigators re-interviewing witnesses – including a 7th grader that saw Kyron at the Science Fair. I won’t name him even thought the article does


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jane says:
July 15, 2010 at 2:35 am
I’ve been holding out hope for Kyron’s safe return to his family, however, after seeing this picture of the “possible” LS I am filled with more fear than ever about what really happened the morning of June 4th. Wondering if they are back on the scene at the school and Sauvie’s Island because the LS is talking….
Prayers to Kyron, Desiree, Tony, Kaine and their families

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Hopalong says:
July 15, 2010 at 3:01 am
First again, Blink…nothing anywhere else YET , with the name and the places.
His first name is Rodolpho.
http://www.insiderpages.com/b/15246758898/rs-landscape-maintenance-canby


helpfulcharlie says:
July 15, 2010 at 5:27 am
Rudy may also be known as Rodolpho or Rodolfo, according to the ServiceMagic reviews at http://www.servicemagic.com/rated.RSLandscape.16539937.html



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beejay says:
July 15, 2010 at 9:50 am
I did not beejay, but I will not post his address.
Let’s say he can be found in both Clackamas and Multnomah counties.
B

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ataraxic says:
July 15, 2010 at 11:58 am
Hi all,
I have been lurking and reading ALL the posts on this case (seriously eating into my housework). I did a search for Anslemo Sanchezsanchez and found this link, which lists him as being held as an illegal. (page 11).
http://www.mcso.us/public/booking_log_rpt/SW575_24_Hour_Booking_Log_Thursday.pdf
Doesn’t mean anything except that was the stated reason for holding him


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megan says:
July 15, 2010 at 1:13 pm
Just because he is being held for being an illegal doesnt mean that he isnt involved. Occasionally a suspect is held for something else to get them off of the street etc.
His warrant is from US Marshalls. You can assume there is more going on.
B

snapoutofit says:
July 15, 2010 at 8:51 pm
RE Today’s 5pm hearing: Terri was not at the hearing.
Blink: You’ve been really quiet.
People, I brought you a piece in the middle of the night with the LS identity in it.
I get nothing for that?
Chillax.
Kidding, I am working on 3 major cases, and I am a lousy delegator.
B
O, and don’t forget the server conversion.







Title: Re: Rudy Sanchez alleged murder for hire
Post by: sackyattack on September 17, 2010, 06:48:52 PM
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Estrada
Kimberly says:
September 17, 2010 at 11:23 am
I’m trying to figure out how RS and associates can have such a high standing in our community? Examples are the links below;
http://www.oregonexecutives.com/members.html
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Clean Factor
PO Box 2112
Oregon City, OR 97045
Phone: 503-313-9308 Fax: 503-344-6262
web: http://www.clean-factor.com
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Title: Re: Rudy Sanchez alleged murder for hire
Post by: sackyattack on September 17, 2010, 07:16:25 PM
http://blinkoncrime.com/2010/09/09/kyron-horman-missing-case-review-and-birthday-wishes-to-the-frog-prince/

Sally says:
September 17, 2010 at 10:31 am
MockingbirdSings says:
September 16, 2010 at 11:18 pm
I am confused. Where are the 3 “inserted” comments that are “odd” and where is a photo of a baby?
I still think the “Estrade” may be a typo by the person who set up the website. The business name is registered correctly under “Estrada”.
——-
To answer your question regarding the LS brother’s carpet cleaning business link, there are three photos on the site with text over the top. Although the text in the main body of the site seems fairly professional (some typos), these “added” comments are not grammatically correct and seem out of place. For instance, “Watch out for Mistakes.” Regarding the photo that IMO resembles Kiara, there are three photos cycling through on the top of the webpage, and one is of a baby. Hope that helps clarify.


Title: Re: Rudy Sanchez alleged murder for hire
Post by: sackyattack on September 17, 2010, 07:17:10 PM
http://blinkoncrime.com/2010/09/09/kyron-horman-missing-case-review-and-birthday-wishes-to-the-frog-prince/

Rich M says:
September 17, 2010 at 11:00 am
Re: Clean factor website-if you right click on the image of Jaime you can see the picture is titled Jaime ESTRADA (no E at the end.) Do they think we took stupid pills?
We should “check you out on the Oregon Executives Association website”? Oh goodie, there you are listed AGAIN as Jaime ESTRADA (no E).
Funny though when I look online for Clean Factor, I cant seem to find a yellow page listing. Can someone who lives in the area see if they are even listed there? A call to the phone number on the clean factor website yields no answer. Automated voicemail.(Sure, its early and I have my phone number blocked but hey….oops…dialed a wrong number sorry.)And you would THINK a fax number would get you to a fax machine but in this case it does not.
Reverse number lookup yeilds nothing.
Of course, it has only been in business less than a month (or at least registered as a biz for less than a month.) It was a registered biz name in 08/09. The phone number listed was the same. And yet, no YP add?
Listed as “friend” (supporter) of the French School. http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:8Dk9HD9BTuwJ:www.portlandfrenchschool.org/Documents/08%2520-%252009/PJ_09.pdf+503-313-9308&hl=en&gl=us&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEEShyWzAeZlmQcq0NK30qxGJXvl2cpYVmGRFOuCITmuOo-wgxgq0450paEXawqxDhyYgQiLf2xTvw-e40xJDhOdMeeKgpEpLk1UzpeFj42ytb4opxiOLo0UB6BJ4tKYu6m1uCHSBa&sig=AHIEtbTMsxVtHp6wtXHoAYWJmUSoEYPaQg


Title: Re: Rudy Sanchez alleged murder for hire
Post by: sackyattack on September 17, 2010, 07:18:00 PM
http://blinkoncrime.com/2010/09/09/kyron-horman-missing-case-review-and-birthday-wishes-to-the-frog-prince/

Rich M says:
September 17, 2010 at 11:00 am
Re: Clean factor website-if you right click on the image of Jaime you can see the picture is titled Jaime ESTRADA (no E at the end.) Do they think we took stupid pills?
We should “check you out on the Oregon Executives Association website”? Oh goodie, there you are listed AGAIN as Jaime ESTRADA (no E).
Funny though when I look online for Clean Factor, I cant seem to find a yellow page listing. Can someone who lives in the area see if they are even listed there? A call to the phone number on the clean factor website yields no answer. Automated voicemail.(Sure, its early and I have my phone number blocked but hey….oops…dialed a wrong number sorry.)And you would THINK a fax number would get you to a fax machine but in this case it does not.
Reverse number lookup yeilds nothing.
Of course, it has only been in business less than a month (or at least registered as a biz for less than a month.) It was a registered biz name in 08/09. The phone number listed was the same. And yet, no YP add?
Listed as “friend” (supporter) of the French School. http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:8Dk9HD9BTuwJ:www.portlandfrenchschool.org/Documents/08%2520-%252009/PJ_09.pdf+503-313-9308&hl=en&gl=us&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEEShyWzAeZlmQcq0NK30qxGJXvl2cpYVmGRFOuCITmuOo-wgxgq0450paEXawqxDhyYgQiLf2xTvw-e40xJDhOdMeeKgpEpLk1UzpeFj42ytb4opxiOLo0UB6BJ4tKYu6m1uCHSBa&sig=AHIEtbTMsxVtHp6wtXHoAYWJmUSoEYPaQg


Title: Re: Rudy Sanchez alleged murder for hire
Post by: sackyattack on September 17, 2010, 07:18:37 PM
puzzled says:
September 17, 2010 at 11:20 am
30.puzzled says:
September 15, 2010 at 2:48 pm
The LS Associates, if involved in criminal activity, are going to be scattering like rats from a sinking ship.
We may never know about it unless the roll-up is made public. LE is on the case.
~~~~
Blinksters are doing a great job of catching these recent lock-ups. Are they related to our ls associates or at least in the organiation???

Kimberly says:
September 17, 2010 at 11:30 am
http://li-public.fmcsa.dot.gov/LIVIEW/pkg_oos_process.prc_list?pv_vpath=LIVIEW&s_state=ORUS
1935951
JAIME ESTRADA
JAIME ESTRADA TRUCKING 330 E CHERRY AVE #D
HERMISTON , OR 97838 New Entrant Revoked – Refusal of Audit/No Contact 12-22-2009
JEN says:
September 17, 2010 at 11:32 am
With the level of interest in this case, I am surprised that Kyron’s picture and info have not been posted to INTERPOL’s searchable Missing Persons database.


Title: Re: Rudy Sanchez alleged murder for hire
Post by: sackyattack on September 17, 2010, 07:19:38 PM
http://blinkoncrime.com/2010/09/09/kyron-horman-missing-case-review-and-birthday-wishes-to-the-frog-prince/

puzzled says:
September 17, 2010 at 2:00 pm
14.Kimberly says:
September 17, 2010 at 11:23 am
I’m trying to figure out how RS and associates can have such a high standing in our community?
~~~
my thoughts .. could be the obvious associates are indeed legal and legitimate business people. RS as well. It’s the not so obvious associates (like the ones in lock up) who make up the criminal enterprise and are the vampires. Could be RS was granted immunity to name names and stay out of cutody. RS could be no more than a sexting/MFH partner with TH, but his associates took it (whatever “it” is) further. just saying out loud


Title: Re: Rudy Sanchez alleged murder for hire
Post by: sackyattack on September 17, 2010, 07:20:33 PM
 ::rhino::

http://blinkoncrime.com/2010/09/09/kyron-horman-missing-case-review-and-birthday-wishes-to-the-frog-prince/

enumclawrose says:
September 17, 2010 at 5:03 pm
I, too have been looking into the names we have been dealing with and have been too busy with work to compile everything presentable yet. I decided to go to square one with the relationships. I have tried to read the past two days posts thoroughly, so forgive me if I am restating information or am behind the curve.
RUDY
If I start with R L Landscape Maintenance, which we have been told is the Rudy we are interested in, he has this license since 01-08-2008 and is listed as Rodolfo Sanchez, P O Box 347, Canby OR 97013 and 7169 SE Renada St., Milwaukie, OR 97267. The Canby address goes back to Rudy Sanchez Landscape Maintenance 10-31-05 thru 11-01-07 with a physical address of 9850 SE Amherst Apt. 50, Clackamas, OR 97015.
JAIME
Jaime is tied to Rudy through the P O Box in Canby and the Renada St address. Estrada’s, 08-06-03 lists Jaime S Estrada, P O Box 347, Canby, OR 97013 and 19839 S Hwy 213 #1040, Oregon City, OR 97045. Clean Factor, 08-23-10, P O Box 2112, Oregon City, OR 97045 and 7169 SE Renada St., Milwaukie, OR 97267
Above information was on the Oregon Sec. of State Corp. Division.
Peoplefinders shows Rodolfo S Sanchez, aka Rodolfo Estrada, at 7169 SE Renada St., age 36, with possible relatives/associates of Jaime S Estrada and Ubaldo R Sanchez.
To me this proves that Rudy and Jaime, lived at the same address, shared the same P O Box as well as use the last name Estrada.
Can we definitively add to this connection
enumclawrose says:
September 17, 2010 at 5:07 pm
My last post, should read R S Landscape Maintenance. Sorry





Title: Re: Rudy Sanchez alleged murder for hire
Post by: sackyattack on September 17, 2010, 07:21:34 PM
 ::rhino::

http://blinkoncrime.com/2010/09/09/kyron-horman-missing-case-review-and-birthday-wishes-to-the-frog-prince/

Annals says:
September 17, 2010 at 5:44 pm
Re:enumclawrose says:
September 17, 2010 at 5:03 pm
Can we definitively add to this connection?
——————————————–
Enumclawrose, I don’t know how definitive you’d like to be, but here goes; Rudy is married and has at least one child, a boy who was 7 years old at the time he was mentioned at the end of July 2010.
That’s as per Blink’s article this comment section is attached to. Also as per a commenter (Goodnessme) in the linked article.
http://www.katu.com/news/local/99594834.html




Title: Re: Rudy Sanchez alleged murder for hire
Post by: sackyattack on September 17, 2010, 09:12:54 PM

http://blinkoncrime.com/2010/09/09/kyron-horman-missing-case-review-and-birthday-wishes-to-the-frog-prince/
38.enumclawrose says:
September 17, 2010 at 6:59 pm
30.Annals says:
September 17, 2010 at 5:44 pm

Thanks Annals. Interesting, I read all of the replies, too. I wish we had a name for the wife. It was stated that Rudy has a seven year old son as a form of understanding and compassion for the Horman/Young familes. My first impulse, Elsy can’t be his wife, because the offspring don’t match, then I thought, was the writer (wife) relating about two seven year olds and they have more kids? Probably not, why wouldn’t Elsy take the seven year old, too? Elsy must not be Rudy’s wife. That article came out 07/29.

31.beejay says:
September 17, 2010 at 5:46 pm
Rudy Sachez is linked to Jaime Estrada and Ubaldo R Sanchez. Just seems like some one in Rudy’s family is related to these children.

FWIW

39.puzzled says:
September 17, 2010 at 7:01 pm
check this out …

33.Rich M says:
September 15, 2010 at 3:06 pm

@Puzzled and others: the link that I found, so far, between Elsy Mejia and the Sanchez group is that she is listed in the white pages as living with Ubaldo.

745 NE 162nd Ave
Portland, OR 97230-5749
Household: Mejia Elsie,

Ubaldo is listed at the Highway 99 address for the business(es) along with Maria G Sanchez. Unfortunately it gets confusing when additional names are thrown into the mix such as Ubaldo going as Fernandez or Fernand, or using B as a middle initial and I think there is an R middle initial with one of them as well. I have not figured out who is who yet.


Title: Re: Rudy Sanchez alleged murder for hire
Post by: Tracygirl on September 18, 2010, 03:01:46 AM
 ::MonkeyConfused:: what? So is he related to the missing woman? Sorry but these past few pages confused me.

So is Rudy Sanchez contracted with the school to do the garden work? wasn't it said he worked at the school?  Here in california a contractor must have a criminal backround check and fingerprinting clearance. He also has to be a citizen of this country.

Here is the Oregon state education code for backround checks. I think they would have done this. It would have shown if he was not a citizen. Can a district contract with a person who was in the country illegally? I don't think they are allowed to.

326.607 Authority of school districts and schools to obtain criminal records check of volunteers and applicants for employment; fee. (1) Upon request from a school district, a private school or a public charter school or a school district, private school or public charter school contractor and with consent from the individual, the Department of Education may conduct an Oregon criminal records check using the Law Enforcement Data System for screening an individual who is a volunteer for the school district, private school or public charter school and who has direct, unsupervised contact with school children, or for screening applicants for employment.

      (2) The department may charge the requesting school district, private school, public charter school or school district, private school or public charter school contractor a fee not to exceed $5 for each request under subsection (1) of this section. [1995 c.446 §3; 1997 c.536 §2; 1999 c.200 §26; 2005 c.730 §14]

 



Title: Re: Rudy Sanchez alleged murder for hire
Post by: sackyattack on September 18, 2010, 03:18:59 PM
not sure, am mostly just following this.  questions i have are is rs using several names or variations of his name to get resident status, is he using his social security number or friends relatives. that i think is what blink is narrowing down on. also is he connected to people that are already in the criminal sector that may have been involved with him as "associates". the interesting thing, i think is that this may not even tie into Kyron's disapearance, (but i think it does) but may be a whole nother area investigated by le. especially his ties to anselemo sanchez. depending on the tie there, i would hope landscapers at public schools could be eliminated by their association, (especially if anselemo lived with rudy) with known high level sex offenders. i have more posts that are from blinks investigation.


Title: Re: Rudy Sanchez alleged murder for hire
Post by: sackyattack on September 18, 2010, 03:22:11 PM

http://blinkoncrime.com/2010/09/09/kyron-horman-missing-case-review-and-birthday-wishes-to-the-frog-prince/comment-page-15/#comments
puzzled says:
September 17, 2010 at 7:01 pm
check this out …
33.Rich M says:
September 15, 2010 at 3:06 pm
@Puzzled and others: the link that I found, so far, between Elsy Mejia and the Sanchez group is that she is listed in the white pages as living with Ubaldo.
745 NE 162nd Ave
Portland, OR 97230-5749
Household: Mejia Elsie,
Ubaldo is listed at the Highway 99 address for the business(es) along with Maria G Sanchez. Unfortunately it gets confusing when additional names are thrown into the mix such as Ubaldo going as Fernandez or Fernand, or using B as a middle initial and I think there is an R middle initial with one of them as well. I have not figured out who is who yet.




Title: Re: Rudy Sanchez alleged murder for hire
Post by: sackyattack on September 18, 2010, 03:25:26 PM
http://blinkoncrime.com/2010/09/09/kyron-horman-missing-case-review-and-birthday-wishes-to-the-frog-prince/comment-page-15/#comments
Word Girl says:
September 17, 2010 at 7:13 pm
Rich M. thanks for the link to the French school ‘friend,’ Jaime Estrada. I missed that one.
He is ‘considered’ in business by OEA in May, 2008, where he is cited as being in charge of tickets and has donated a ticket (which was won by a woman, possibly in a drawing.)
He may have registered the business name previously?
http://www.oregonexecutives.com/documents/051108.pdf
As for a Yellow Pages ad, I know many business who don’t use them anymore




Title: Re: Rudy Sanchez alleged murder for hire
Post by: sackyattack on September 18, 2010, 03:26:47 PM
http://blinkoncrime.com/2010/09/09/kyron-horman-missing-case-review-and-birthday-wishes-to-the-frog-prince/comment-page-15/#comments
enumclawrose says:
September 17, 2010 at 8:06 pm
39.puzzled says:
September 17, 2010 at 7:01 pm
check this out …
33.Rich M says:
September 15, 2010 at 3:06 pm
I did a zillow search on the 162nd Avenue building and it has ten bathrooms and lots of parking. It’s probably an apartment complex of some kind. I will go back through posts and check “facebook Elsy” due to the spelling ELSY and ELSIE.
The Ubaldo’s are small enough in number to try to figure out but still confuse me, too. The Ubaldo “R” is the one that is linked by people finders to Rudy. I have been trying to use ages to help, too.
UBALDO’s
Ubaldo Sanchez, 745 NE 162nd, Portland, OR
This matches the Elsie that Rich M found.
1) Ubaldo Sanchez (34) linked to Gomez Ubaldo Sanches (39)
2) Ubaldo F Sanches (38)
3) Ubaldo Sanches Saenz (46) Clackamas linked to Joaquin Jaime (47) Tomala(47)
The Joaquin Jaime Sanchez does link to a Jaime through Sanchez Painting Co., just not sure if it’s the same Jaime.
4) Ubaldo Sanchez (49) Woodburn which I think is the Sanchez Nursery Sales Ubaldo who we have linked to Maria G Sanchez through the corporate registration.
Dilemma
1) Rudy is linked to Ubaldo R and none of these Ubaldo’s use “R”.
So which Ubaldo knows Rudy?
2) We know where Elsy lived with Ubaldo.
So which Ubaldo was married to Elsy?
Point to Consider:
1) These Ubaldo’s 34&38 years could be the same and Ublado’s 46&49 depending on the accuracy of when and how the information is gathered on Peoplefinders. (Realistically, they must not go in and update everyone’s age on their birthdays).
2) These Ubaldo’s don’t have a big enough age difference to be father and son (15 years max spread), however, they could still be related as cousins or uncle/nephew.
enumclawrose says:
September 17, 2010 at 8:13 pm
Gosh, I am a sloppy speller. All Sanches names in my last post should be SancheZ. Sorry AGAIN.



Title: Re: Rudy Sanchez alleged murder for hire
Post by: sackyattack on September 18, 2010, 03:28:06 PM
http://blinkoncrime.com/2010/09/09/kyron-horman-missing-case-review-and-birthday-wishes-to-the-frog-prince/comment-page-15/#comments

MockingbirdSings says:
September 17, 2010 at 9:02 pm
Jaime Estrada paid to have a company set up his carpet cleaning website – the name is on the site. He may not know how to make corrections, or have paid much attention it yet. The pictures and the initial text would have all been set up by the company – including the spelling errors.
The Oregon Executives Assoc. that Jaime belongs to sounds like a big deal and says it’s exclusive with only one member chosen for each line of work. I believe they have fewer than 60 members total. They also have some well known names and have been around for decades. However, they seem to function like mentors for each other and to help promote each other’s businesses. Nothing wrong with that. They probably give each other discounts too.
My guess is that the executives group tries to maintain some diversity, Jaime may know someone in the group already, there wasn’t a lot of competition among carpet cleaning businesses to join, and Jaime didn’t have comparable organizations within his own industry to join at this time. He seems to be doing his best to establish a business that appears professional and competent. Just his vehicle made a big impression on me!


Title: Re: Rudy Sanchez alleged murder for hire
Post by: sackyattack on September 18, 2010, 03:28:48 PM
http://blinkoncrime.com/2010/09/09/kyron-horman-missing-case-review-and-birthday-wishes-to-the-frog-prince/#comments
evie says:
September 17, 2010 at 9:30 pm
Dear Blink, about this current article… “Sanchez testified before the grand jury on August 4.” Did Rudy testify to the GJ on the 4th or on the following week on the 12th or both? And, does it matter?
4th.
B


http://blinkoncrime.com/2010/09/09/kyron-horman-missing-case-review-and-birthday-wishes-to-the-frog-prince/#comments
enumclawrose says:
September 17, 2010 at 10:07 pm
“What is known, is that Anselmo Sanchez a/k/a Freddy Atristad Sanchez has been in Federal Custody since March 4, 2010.” – snip from BOC Case Review and Birthday Wishes to the Frog Price.
DUH!!
I did a Peoplefinders, just the freebie on Freddy Sanchez which shows 147 NW Cornelius Pass Rd., OR address. Only one hit on Peoplefinders.
Went to Intellis, another freebie, and got three Freddy Sanchez hit, they are:
FREDDY/ANSELMO -
1) Freddy M – (37) Beaverton, Hillsboro and Seattle
linked to: (all names end in Sanchez)
Ben H. (35), Ricardo H., Edgar (59), Abraham M. (32), Evaristo Rojas, Ruth, Julia, Carro E. (49) Abel Matias (29)
2) Freddy A. – Salem
linked to: (all names end in Sanchez)
Gabriel G. (36), Ayala F. (38), Alejandero (48) Martha (23)
3) Freddy
Fredy M Sanchez (37)
On a side note, does anyone who pays for a people search service willing to recommend it? I would pay for one, but am afraid of being taken advantage of, or having my computer compromised. – TY
Don’t waste your money.
B





Title: Re: Rudy Sanchez alleged murder for hire
Post by: sackyattack on September 18, 2010, 03:29:41 PM
http://blinkoncrime.com/2010/09/09/kyron-horman-missing-case-review-and-birthday-wishes-to-the-frog-prince/#comments
enumclawrose says:
September 17, 2010 at 10:51 pm
Blink, TY, I wondered…
Anselmo aka Freddy is 28 on the arrest document posted on this site, so I did a quick business search on Gabriel, Ayala, Alejandero and Martha. Only Gabriel came up. (side note, 2005 was a big start up year for Sanchez/Estrada)
Sanchez Transport of 15184 Woodburn Monitor Rd Apt#2,Woodburn has a Gabriel H Sanchez. (wrong initial)
Perhaps the “wrong middle initial” Gabriel drives truck with the “wrong middle initial” Ubaldo. Need to go back and look at the truck company link someone had on the last thread for Ubaldo.
There is also a Gabriel Sanchez (no middle initial) listed for Dorado Design and Const., Inc. registered to C T Corporation System 388 State St., Ste 420, Salem OR 97031, these people have CA addresses.
1) Freddy M (37) – Beaverton, Hillsboro, Seattle is too old, but the Corneilus Pass Rd address could be this guy.
2) Freddy A – Salem, makes the most sense because of the middle? name Aristad that Blink gave us. The Salem link could be from the address on the Dorado Company, but this Freddy might really live in Sierra Madre CA.
3) Freddy – nothing known but he is linked to Fredy M (37) sounds like Freddy #1



Title: Re: Rudy Sanchez alleged murder for hire
Post by: sackyattack on September 18, 2010, 03:30:38 PM
http://blinkoncrime.com/2010/09/09/kyron-horman-missing-case-review-and-birthday-wishes-to-the-frog-prince/#comments
Ode says:
September 17, 2010 at 10:54 pm
2.enumclawrose says:
September 17, 2010 at 10:07 pm
“What is known, is that Anselmo Sanchez a/k/a Freddy Atristad Sanchez has been in Federal Custody since March 4, 2010.” – snip from BOC Case Review and Birthday Wishes to the Frog Price.
DUH!!
I did a Peoplefinders, just the freebie on Freddy Sanchez which shows 147 NW Cornelius Pass Rd., OR address. Only one hit on Peoplefinders
Does anyone find the above address interesting? I am not from Oregon but I think the Fred Meyers store is fairly close to this address. Cornelius Pass Rd. was on the poster wanting information about seeing the white truck on June 4th.



Title: Re: Rudy Sanchez alleged murder for hire
Post by: sackyattack on September 18, 2010, 03:31:31 PM
http://blinkoncrime.com/2010/09/09/kyron-horman-missing-case-review-and-birthday-wishes-to-the-frog-prince/#comments
puzzled says:
September 17, 2010 at 11:02 pm
@enumclawrose … just following rich’s post below
33.Rich M says:
September 15, 2010 at 3:06 pm
Ubaldo is listed at the Highway 99 address for the business(es) along with Maria G Sanchez. Unfortunately it gets confusing when additional names are thrown into the mix such as Ubaldo going as Fernandez or Fernand, or using B as a middle initial and I think there is an R middle initial with one of them as well. I have not figured out who is who yet.
~~~~
If Ubaldo (R for Rodolfo ??)S is 40 and Elsy Mejia-Sanchez is 30 .. could be father daughter combo, athough Mejia would be Elsy’s mother’s name (I think). More likely, she has taken a man’s (Rudy or Jaime) Sanchez name as a family name for her children. If Elsy is not related to Ubaldo (in some way) I have no explanation as to why she lives at his address



Title: Re: Rudy Sanchez alleged murder for hire
Post by: sackyattack on September 18, 2010, 03:32:17 PM
http://blinkoncrime.com/2010/09/09/kyron-horman-missing-case-review-and-birthday-wishes-to-the-frog-prince/#comments
puzzled says:
September 17, 2010 at 11:06 pm
unless Elsy’s children belong to Anselmo Sanchez-Sanchez and he is related to Ubaldo, who is providing for Elsy and children.
Still haven’t a clue how AS fits into any of this.


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enumclawrose says:
September 17, 2010 at 11:06 pm
RE: Ode 09-17-10 @ 7:20 pm
Good point about more than one wife and, or mother of children. Annals had a link I checked out on KATU that Blink implied, if I understood correctly, the poster was Rudy’s wife. Maybe she was wife and mother of the seven year old and Elsy is girlfriend and mother of the five and two year old.
BTW I went to look at Facebook Elsy and her picture that we were all comparing to the missing poster a couple of days ago has been replaced. Elsy is dancing with a man and it’s hard to see what she looks like. Maybe just an innocent Elsy with the wrong name. Wouldn’t seem like a woman on the run with kids would be updating FB.


Title: Re: Rudy Sanchez alleged murder for hire
Post by: sackyattack on September 18, 2010, 03:32:54 PM
http://blinkoncrime.com/2010/09/09/kyron-horman-missing-case-review-and-birthday-wishes-to-the-frog-prince/#comments
Whaazupwitchu says:
September 17, 2010 at 11:09 pm
@ Kimberly – looks like there were at one time several Hispanic truck businesses in Hermiston area – they must have all known each other, it is a big agricultural region with famous watermelons. This is also a town near the junction of two interstates, though one only seems to go North and not south. Some of these people open and close businesses like pop cans. Why so many businesses, what to do with the $$$ maybe? (Laveria?)
Where DID TH get her money, still thinking she had a “side business” from the straight life, probably a bit of selling stuff, just a guess.
Kyron knew someone and did not have a lot of reason to be afraid of anyone (except maybe TH) so he willingly went in the truck with someone he knew, perhaps associates of RS, maybe Freddy Anselmo, maybe there were two guys and he was quickly drugged and taken – to the Eastern side of river?
We know Ulbaldo, Jaime and RS are related at least as far as knowing each other, probably brothers and/or cousins? Maybe LE is wanting them apprehended more than the Padre.
The southern Oregon connection (not TH I guess, unless they are keeping an eye on her) is quite likely due to the drugs coming up from Cali and Mexico and/or being grown in the warm areas of Southern Oregon which has a lot of very isolated forest.
@Cassie, if you live in Oregon and I think you mean you do, I think there are other Sanchezes in the State Prison system, thinking one might have been named Jesus or it might have been in the Wash. Co. jail if you want to see you old workers.
How long will TH have to stay in that house, did they say it would take years to solve this? Oh my, that is a long time


Title: Re: Rudy Sanchez alleged murder for hire
Post by: sackyattack on September 18, 2010, 03:34:03 PM
http://blinkoncrime.com/2010/09/09/kyron-horman-missing-case-review-and-birthday-wishes-to-the-frog-prince/#comments

enumclawrose says:
September 18, 2010 at 12:48 am
RE: Justthinking 09-17-10 @ 8:46 am
Your question regarding RS & Associates link to Oaxaca. Maybe.
First apologize that if I try to post a link, I lose my comment.
Go to website mission-oaxaca.org/partners/html
Scroll down to BPN (Business Professional Network) and link to bpn.org
Their CEO is John H Warton, P O Box 1842, Lake Oswego on the website and John H Warton,784 6th St., P O Box 230399, Lake Osewego on the Oregon Sec. of State website. There is also a Switzerland contact and address.
Now go to oregonexecutives.com/members.html
Click on About OEA, then Board of Directors and you will see Board Member Jaime Estrada of Clean Factor. I cannot find this organization on the Oregon Sec. of State website search. Their history has many prestigious institutions and companies listed and they say they were started in 1926.
All of that said, the basic mission of both of these organizations is the same, to mentor and edify small businesses. Are they connected? I don’t know, but I would sure like to registration information on OEA. This, of course implies nothing about either of these groups, only to say that there could be a link.
I have been looking at this for awhile, but since you asked, I thought I would share what I have.


Title: Re: Rudy Sanchez alleged murder for hire
Post by: sackyattack on September 18, 2010, 03:34:58 PM
http://blinkoncrime.com/2010/09/09/kyron-horman-missing-case-review-and-birthday-wishes-to-the-frog-prince/comment-page-16/#comment-1623541

MockingbirdSings says:
September 18, 2010 at 12:50 am
OK – are we using SM to mean stepmom AND Scared Monkeys?
And – for those of you thinking of me driving around (thank you) – I was on the way to a Wendy’s tonight and passed the road that connects to Renada Street. At the intersection in the turn lane (going the opposite way from me) was a white pickup that looked very familiar with a blue tarp over some stuff in the back (it has been raining) and in the rear view mirror, I could see a Washington license plate. Same place I saw the Clean Factor carpet vehicle turning the time I “visited” the house.
Wanted to screech around and follow, but I had a child in the car with me and didn’t want to drive like a maniac. (chuckle)
I have wondered if Rudy’s truck had a WA license since Blink said it was registered in WA. (Someone else could be using it.) It was about 4:30 which would fit with the end of a work day for a landscaper (on a day that was rather damp anyway). I did not see any business name painted on the truck, but I declare the entire metro area is full of those trucks! It’s like the Twilight Zone where you wake up and every other vehicle is a white pickup.
I may give it another try – or maybe get a friend with a different car to drive me past about the same time of day. If there are a bunch of cars circling the neighborhood, it will probably be Blinksters. I would be interested in whether the pickup parked in the obvious parking spaces or behind the locked, no trespassing gate across the driveway – which you would have to be present to see at the time – or we could rent a helicopter.
I wonder sometimes if Rudy’s biggest mistake was to actually love Terri



Title: Re: Rudy Sanchez alleged murder for hire
Post by: sackyattack on September 18, 2010, 03:36:07 PM
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Idahogal says:
September 18, 2010 at 11:52 am
enumclawrose says:
September 17, 2010 at 10:07 pm
DUH!!
I did a Peoplefinders, just the freebie on Freddy Sanchez which shows 147 NW Cornelius Pass Rd., OR address.
Ode says:
September 17, 2010 at 10:54 pm
Does anyone find the above address interesting? I am not from Oregon but I think the Fred Meyers store is fairly close to this address. Cornelius Pass Rd. was on the poster wanting information about seeing the white truck on June 4th.
**********************************
FWIW, the above address is close to the first Fred Meyer and Rock Creek area:
OregonLive link to Rock Creek Drug bust:
http://www.oregonlive.com/news/index.ssf/2009/06
/oregon_busts_huge_drug_cartel.html
MapQuest Link to Rock Creek Apts:
http://www.mapquest.com/listings/Rock_Creek_Landing_Hillsboro_OR_12366011?placement=results_bub_map


Title: Re: Rudy Sanchez alleged murder for hire
Post by: sackyattack on September 18, 2010, 03:36:40 PM
http://blinkoncrime.com/2010/09/09/kyron-horman-missing-case-review-and-birthday-wishes-to-the-frog-prince/comment-page-16/#comment-1623541
Rich M says:
September 18, 2010 at 11:54 am
@kitjcat: I totally get you regarding the vacation. I have neglected quite a bit of the mundane chores I should have been doing, following this case.
re: Assumed business names as listed by the state-Rudy changed his biz name to a related name at one point, and there were other biz’ related to the Sanchez/Estrada family that went “inactive” and were later activated. (ie “Estrada’s”).
The frustrating thing about the state search engine (from my POV) was that you cant just put in Rodolfo Estrada or Rodolfo Sanchez and get a listing of businesses associated with his name. (Or the other players.) You kinda have to know the biz name to run it, but I could be mistaken that there may be a way to just run the persons name. If anyone finds that out, please show me. TIA


Title: Re: Rudy Sanchez alleged murder for hire
Post by: sackyattack on September 18, 2010, 03:39:26 PM
bumping this to remind that rudy sanchez did meet kyron at the school also.

http://blinkoncrime.com/category/kyron-horman/rudy-sanchez/
Excerpt: Of particular interest, is source confirmation that the landscaper Terri Horman hired last fall, who worked on the Horman property, had met Kyron at the residence as well as the Skyline School, where his firm had been contracted to do some work.
Rudy Sanchez, of RS Landscape Maintenance since 2008 has told MCSO that Terri Horman attempted to hire him in a murder for hire plot against her husband Kaine. Sanchez then agreed to participate in a surreptitious sting that included a body wire...


Title: Re: Rudy Sanchez alleged murder for hire
Post by: sackyattack on September 18, 2010, 03:44:00 PM
Address of rudy sanchez

Rudy Sanchez, of RS Landscape Maintenance since 2008 has told MCSO that Terri Horman attempted to hire him in a murder for hire plot against her husband Kaine

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8553.0
Reply #13 on: September 13, 2010, 11:25:11 AM »

The Oregon Secretary of State Corporation Division shows license #300176-93 for Sanchez Nursery Sales, 955 S Pacific Hwy, Woodburn, OR 97071. The authorized representative on file is Maria G. Sanchez and the representative is Ubaldo Sanchez, with with the same address. This is Elsy Sanchez’s address on the missing kids poster


Title: Re: Rudy Sanchez alleged murder for hire
Post by: sackyattack on September 18, 2010, 04:07:33 PM
possible time linehttp://blinkoncrime.com/2010/09/09/kyron-horman-missing-case-review-and-birthday-wishes-to-the-frog-prince/comment-page-6/#comments
puzzled says:
September 12, 2010 at 2:25 pm
enumclawrose says:
September 12, 2010 at 2:10 am
Consider this timeline:
05/09/10 TH and RS have confrontation. RS is confronted by LE in front of his wife and children.
-10 DAYS LATER
05/19/10 Mrs. Sanchez leaves RS and takes her kids.
-17 DAYS LATER
06/04/10 Kyron Horman goes missing.
-22 DAYS LATER
06/26/10 RS is involved with a LE sting on TH. (also KH, informed by LE of a MFH plot, moves with daughter and begins divorce, RO, etc).
-31 DAYS LATER
07/27/10 Felony warrant in place for Mrs. Sanchez.
~~~~~~~~~~
Thank you for this! Now this is something I can see happening, IF the children actually do belong to LS/RS.
Do we know where RS is, as in or out of jail? What’s his status as an illegal? Is he still running his business? and where are his wife and children?
I’ve always maintained that if we knew as much backstory on the other suspects as we do TH — we’d be looking at this way differently


bumped for my info


Title: Re: Rudy Sanchez alleged murder for hire
Post by: Spodie on September 18, 2010, 04:20:52 PM
Sacky,

Do we know if RS is still in the area?


Title: Re: Rudy Sanchez alleged murder for hire
Post by: sackyattack on September 18, 2010, 05:04:34 PM
bumping
 ::MonkeyEek::

::rhino::

http://blinkoncrime.com/2010/09/09/kyron-horman-missing-case-review-and-birthday-wishes-to-the-frog-prince/

enumclawrose says:
September 17, 2010 at 5:03 pm
I, too have been looking into the names we have been dealing with and have been too busy with work to compile everything presentable yet. I decided to go to square one with the relationships. I have tried to read the past two days posts thoroughly, so forgive me if I am restating information or am behind the curve.
RUDY
If I start with R L Landscape Maintenance, which we have been told is the Rudy we are interested in, he has this license since 01-08-2008 and is listed as Rodolfo Sanchez, P O Box 347, Canby OR 97013 and 7169 SE Renada St., Milwaukie, OR 97267. The Canby address goes back to Rudy Sanchez Landscape Maintenance 10-31-05 thru 11-01-07 with a physical address of 9850 SE Amherst Apt. 50, Clackamas, OR 97015.
JAIME
Jaime is tied to Rudy through the P O Box in Canby and the Renada St address. Estrada’s, 08-06-03 lists Jaime S Estrada, P O Box 347, Canby, OR 97013 and 19839 S Hwy 213 #1040, Oregon City, OR 97045. Clean Factor, 08-23-10, P O Box 2112, Oregon City, OR 97045 and 7169 SE Renada St., Milwaukie, OR 97267
Above information was on the Oregon Sec. of State Corp. Division.
Peoplefinders shows Rodolfo S Sanchez, aka Rodolfo Estrada, at 7169 SE Renada St., age 36, with possible relatives/associates of Jaime S Estrada and Ubaldo R Sanchez.
To me this proves that Rudy and Jaime, lived at the same address, shared the same P O Box as well as use the last name Estrada.
Can we definitively add to this connection
enumclawrose says:
September 17, 2010 at 5:07 pm
My last post, should read R S Landscape Maintenance. Sorry






Title: Re: Rudy Sanchez alleged murder for hire
Post by: sackyattack on September 18, 2010, 05:18:59 PM
sheesh just trying to sort out address connections, here is what i have so far:

Address of rudy sanchez
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8553.0
Rudy Sanchez, of RS Landscape Maintenance since 2008 has told MCSO that Terri Horman attempted to hire him in a murder for hire plot against her husband Kaine


http://www.insiderpages.com/b/15246758898/rs-landscape-maintenance-canby
RS Landscape Maintenance
★★★★★ 7 Reviews
Add to the discussion
/businesses/15246758898/reviews/new/businesses/15246758898/reviews/new
866-750-8931
Po Box 347 Canby, OR 97013
www.servicemagic.com



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beejay says:
July 15, 2010 at 9:50 am
I did not beejay, but I will not post his address.
Let’s say he can be found in both Clackamas and Multnomah counties.
B





http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8553.40
Reply #44 on: September 14, 2010, 06:20:43 PM »
…from Canby OR where RS has a PO Box (347) for his landscaping business.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8553.60
Reply #75 on: September
Rudy Sanchez is RS Landscaping Maintenance in Canby




http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8553.20
Reply #38 on: September 14, 2010, 06:10:52 PM

Rudy Sanchez is listed as Rodolfo Sanchez Estrada. If that is the case, then the 2 men are likely to be brothers. Sanchez would be their father’s name and Estrada would be their mother’s name. For the short version of the names, it would normally be the father’s name (Sanchez), not the last in the line of names. (Given all that’s gone on, I could understand (if so) using some intentional variation in names by Jaime, especially when starting a new business after the attention Rudy has gotten.)




http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8553.100
Reply #103 on:
RUDY
If I start with R L Landscape Maintenance, which we have been told is the Rudy we are interested in, he has this license since 01-08-2008 and is listed as Rodolfo Sanchez, P O Box 347, Canby OR 97013 and 7169 SE Renada St., Milwaukie, OR 97267. The Canby address goes back to Rudy Sanchez Landscape Maintenance 10-31-05 thru 11-01-07 with a physical address of 9850 SE Amherst Apt. 50, Clackamas, OR 97015


http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8553.0
Reply #13 on: September 13, 2010, 11:25:11 AM »

The Oregon Secretary of State Corporation Division shows license #300176-93 for Sanchez Nursery Sales, 955 S Pacific Hwy, Woodburn, OR 97071. The authorized representative on file is Maria G. Sanchez and the representative is Ubaldo Sanchez, with with the same address. This is Elsy Sanchez’s address on the missing kids poster.
(Pasted on page 7 reply #123)

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8553.0
PWhen reached at one of the numbers records show is billed in his brothers name, Jaime Estrada Sanchez, who uses the name Jaime Estrada on his carpet cleaning business website declined to comment to blinkoncrime.com and the number has since been disconnected

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8553.80
Reply #80 on

 @ cartwheel and Rich M and anyone else researching the house related to Rudy – if you missed the posts I linked to above, you can go back and get some more information. I didn’t post the street number, but I have it and it’s part of public information. I wasn’t sure who else lives there now besides Jaime who seems to be Rudy’s brother – maybe people who are not involved in this case at all.
Rudy’s Canby address was only a PO Box. According to the Milwaukie tax map, the house isn’t actually in the Milwaukie city limits but is in Clackamas County. Rudy used this address for his business name application in Oregon – I’m not entirely sure whether he actually lived there at any point, or who else does besides Jaime




 
Addy for jaime estrada cleaning business
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8553.0
Jaime Estrada Sanchez, who uses the name Jaime Estrada on his carpet cleaning business website.
UBALDO SANCHEZ of 955 S PACIFIC HWY WOODBURN, OR 97071 is dba SANCHEZ NURSERY



Maria and ubaldo f sanchez addy
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8553.40
Reply #52 on:

Name MARIA G SANCHEZ
Addr 1 955 S PACIFIC HWY
Addr 2
CSZ WOODBURN OR 97071 Country UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
Type REG REGISTRANT
Name UBALDO SANCHEZ
Addr 1 955 S PACIFIC HWY
Addr 2
CSZ WOODBURN OR 97071 Country UNITED STATES OF AMERICA


http://apps.co.marion.or.us/PropertyRecords/PropertySummary.aspx?pid=R13963
955 S Pacific Hwy., Woodburn OR 97071 is owned by Maria and Ubaldo F Sanchez
Their address is 459 4th Street, Woodburn OR 97071
955 S Pacific is listed as a nursery, (go to zillow for a picture) but it also has a single family residence. Perhaps Ubaldo and Maria rented this to Elsy and her husband?




http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8553.0
955 S Pacific Hwy., Woodburn OR 97071 is owned by Maria and Ubaldo F Sanchez
Their address is 459 4th Street, Woodburn OR 97071

955 S Pacific is listed as a nursery, (go to zillow for a picture) but it also has a single family residence

http://blinkoncrime.com/2010/09/09/kyron-horman-missing-case-review-and-birthday-wishes-to-the-frog-prince/comment-page-7/#comments
enumclawrose says:
September 13, 2010 at 2:27 am
Address SANCHEZ NURSERY SALES LLC
WOODBURN, OR 97071
County Marion
Fax xxxxxxxx
License Number xxxxxxx
License Status Active
Expiration Date 06/30/2011
License Type Nursery Dealers, Florists and Landscapers



http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8553.60
Reply #66 on: September
Maria Sanchez has a landscape buiness in Hillsboro, close to FM#1. The date on the business registration is May 26th 2010, exactly on week after Elsy took off. The address on the registration is 271195, but it really is 27195 SW Farmington, Hillsboro, WASHINGTON COUNTY, Oregon. Zillow shows it last sold 2003. WA County tax records didn’t show the owner but there is a document referenced.


Ubaldo Sanchez, 745 NE 162nd, Portland, OR

I did a zillow search on the 162nd Avenue building


Address listed for elsy


http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8553.80
Reply #90 on: September
the link that I found, so far, between Elsy Mejia and the Sanchez group is that she is listed in the white pages as living with Ubaldo.
745 NE 162nd Ave
Portland, OR 97230-5749
Household: Mejia Elsie,
Ubaldo is listed at the Highway 99 address for the business(es) along with Maria G Sanchez

@Puzzled and others: the link that I found, so far, between Elsy Mejia and the Sanchez group is that she is listed in the white pages as living with Ubaldo.

745 NE 162nd Ave
Portland, OR 97230-5749
Household: Mejia Elsie,

Ubaldo is listed at the Highway 99 address for the business(es) along with Maria G Sanchez. Unfortunately it gets confusing when additional names are thrown into the mix such as Ubaldo going as Fernandez or Fernand, or using B as a middle initial and I think there is an R middle initial with one of them as well. I have not figured out who is who yet.




Address listed for anselemo


Addy for jamie and ubaldo missing children
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8553.0
The two missing Sanchez children are named Jamie (age 5) and Ubaldo (age 1) and they were living at the 955 S Pacific Hwy address.
Could it be that these two children were born in the US and issued SS#’s which are now being used by adult Jamie Estrada Sanchez and adult Ubaldo Sanchez?



Misc
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8553.60
Reply #79 on: September

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Midwest Mom says:
September 14, 2010 at 2:18 pm
Thanks Neighbor,
Here is some names that I found associated with Rudy
Rodolfo E Sanchez
36
• Canby, OR
• Clackamas, OR
• Woodburn, OR
• Oregon City, OR
• Rodolfo Sanchez
• Luis Lopez
• Rene Lopez
• Roberto Lopez Sanchez
• Florentino Mendoza
Blink, FYI I am using another computer, hubby has my laptop, somtimes it puts me in spam if I switch


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enumclawrose says:
September 14, 2010 at 3:33 pm
Blinks response to Shelly 09/13 11:19 pm
We are talking about 2 different families, 2 different events.
The family they were looking for (Via Roger) had a child that went to school with Kyron and then the Sanchez and their alleged abductor. I can connect LS to a Ubaldo R in Woodburn, yes.
Puzzled, you had a post a couple of days ago with Elsy @ 955 S Pacific Hwy. Were you able to confirm her to that address? If so, I think that is HUGE, because if, like Blink says, she can connect Ubaldo R in Woodburn, and if he is at the S Pacific Hwy address, to LS (Rudy Sanchez), then Elsy is connected to Rudy.




Title: Re: Rudy Sanchez alleged murder for hire
Post by: sackyattack on September 18, 2010, 05:23:34 PM
Sacky,

Do we know if RS is still in the area?

i heard that same question at blink but no answer. you would think that since the mfh is still probably an open investigation, (they dropped the contempt of court related to the showing mc the r/o),  but not the mfh stuff i beleive.


Title: Re: Rudy Sanchez alleged murder for hire
Post by: sackyattack on September 18, 2010, 08:43:14 PM
hey spodie, do you remember if th or dede has accused or thrown suspiscion onto the landscaper? the reason i ask is that if they and rs were involved it wouldnt make sense to give attention to him, they would want him to fall off the face of the earth. just thinkin. still wondering what happened to elsy sanchez and her kids though. if he looks related to this case then i say keep digging but if you dont think he is, then i will just hope le investigates him seperately, and not spend so much time on him, i dunno, what do you think?   flymonkey is friend of dede spicher allegedly

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8508.920

Reply #930 on: September 18, 2010, 06:14:02 PM
FlyMonkey...what do YOU think happened to Kyron?

I have no idea. I have never met any of the family, never seen the school, never been anywhere near it or the house. I don't have enough knowledge or info to form a theory. I guess I would not be surprised if the landscaper turned out to have something to do with it, but I have no basis from which to advance any theories.


Title: Re: Rudy Sanchez alleged murder for hire
Post by: sackyattack on September 18, 2010, 09:01:02 PM

http://blinkoncrime.com/2010/09/09/kyron-horman-missing-case-review-and-birthday-wishes-to-the-frog-prince/#comments

38.Idahogal says:
September 18, 2010 at 11:52 am

Freddy Sanchez did show up on the Cornelius Pass Rd address through Peoplefinder. I did a reverse address search on 411.com and found several names at this address that indicted it is an apartment building. Anselmo Sanchez-Sanchez a/k/a/Freddy Sanchez is 28 on the document we have on this website. The Freddy at this address is older but is no longer there according to 411. As far as him being the one on June 4th to have a part in Ky’s disappearance, it’s unlikely, as we have been lead to believe he was incarcerated at that time. We have been lead to believe that he could have participated in the sting on June 26th.

37.Whaazupwitchu says:
September 18, 2010 at 11:20 am

I did an FMCSA Motor Carrier search and found that Ulbaldo Sanchez had his USDOT # revoked on 03/25/09 under his name with a dba Sanchez Nursery. Gabriel Sanchez of Sanchez Transport, at a different Woodburn address, had his revoked 07/19/05.

As far as the business mentoring goes, I would hate to besmirch the meaningful contribution they are making. It just bothers me when I can’t find the legal information on an enterprise, and we all know anyone can say anything on a website, but is it true? It makes me wonder if BPN and OEA are related since they provide essentially the same services to small businesses. If they are related, then Jaime could be linked to Oaxaca. That said, it is possible that just one nefarious businessman is a member in an otherwise legitimate enterprise.

For anyone wondering how these names go together and why we are searching, must of us simply do not know EXACTLY. Is it more than interesting that two other children went missing with their mother Elsy Sanchez a/k/a Meija – Puerto just before Ky. I think so, especially since there was a felony warrant issued for her and Blink told us there was no custody agreement in place to justify this warrant. Blink also said LE must really want to speak with her


Title: Re: Rudy Sanchez alleged murder for hire
Post by: sackyattack on September 19, 2010, 01:38:29 AM
back to the begining:

http://blinkoncrime.com/2010/09/09/kyron-horman-missing-case-review-and-birthday-wishes-to-the-frog-prince/

enumclawrose says:
September 18, 2010 at 11:59 pm
For R.S. 09/18 11:03
“Speaking on the condition of anonymity, a close family friend who has since been interviewed by the FBI, has confirmed that Terri Horman is pointing her finger directly at Sanchez. She has also stated that she and Sanchez had an altercation after she attempted to end their relationship in May which ended in a 911 call and a visit from Clackamas County Sheriff Office in the presence of Sanchez’s wife and children.” – snip from Case Review and Bithday Wishes to the Frog Prince
Ten days later Elsy Sanchez disappears with two children and a federal warrant is issued for her arrest a month and a half later.
Some of us are just trying to figure out if Elsy could be related to Rudy & Associates. The little girl’s birthday was the day after Ky went missing


enumclawrose says:
September 19, 2010 at 12:22 am
“Sanchez’s wife and children.” – snip of a snip from Case Review and Birthday Wishes to the Frog Prince.
Rudy has more than one child.

puzzled says:
September 19, 2010 at 12:49 am
27.enumclawrose says:
September 18, 2010 at 11:59 pm
Ten days later Elsy Sanchez disappears with two children and a federal warrant is issued for her arrest a month and a half later.



Title: Re: Rudy Sanchez alleged murder for hire
Post by: sackyattack on September 19, 2010, 01:41:52 AM
http://blinkoncrime.com/2010/09/09/kyron-horman-missing-case-review-and-birthday-wishes-to-the-frog-prince/


enumclawrose says:
September 18, 2010 at 11:38 pm
I did a little reading on Spanish/Mexican surnames. I know someone else posted information about this as well. Essentially, the first surname is the father’s name and the second surname is the mothers.
Elsy Leonor Mejia-Sanchez a/k/a Elsy Mejia-Puerto
Jamie Mejia (older)
Ubaldo Sanchez-Mejia (younger)
Working backwards from the little boy:
UBALDO MEJIA-SANCHEZ
Ublado’s dad’s surname would be Sanchez, so a Sanchez Estrada, or a Sanchez ****anyname**** could be his father. (This means that Rudy and Jaime are candidates.)
Ubaldo’s mom’s (Elsy’s) surname would be Mejia (her father’s name).
JAMIE MEJIA
Since we know her mom is Elsy, we can assume that the father’s name has been dropped.
ELSY LEONOR MEJIA-SANCHEZ
Elsy (first name) Leonor (middle name) MEJIA (father’s name) SANCHEZ (husband’s name)
ELSY MEJIA-PUERTO
Elsy (first name) MEJIA (father’s name) PUERTO (MOTHERS NAME? OR EX-HUSBANDS NAME?) ?????


Title: Re: Rudy Sanchez alleged murder for hire
Post by: sackyattack on September 19, 2010, 01:54:36 AM
hey spodie, do you remember if th or dede has accused or thrown suspiscion onto the landscaper? the reason i ask is that if they and rs were involved it wouldnt make sense to give attention to him, they would want him to fall off the face of the earth. just thinkin. still wondering what happened to elsy sanchez and her kids though. if he looks related to this case then i say keep digging but if you dont think he is, then i will just hope le investigates him seperately, and not spend so much time on him, i dunno, what do you think?   flymonkey is friend of dede spicher allegedly

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8508.920

Reply #930 on: September 18, 2010, 06:14:02 PM
FlyMonkey...what do YOU think happened to Kyron?

I have no idea. I have never met any of the family, never seen the school, never been anywhere near it or the house. I don't have enough knowledge or info to form a theory. I guess I would not be surprised if the landscaper turned out to have something to do with it, but I have no basis from which to advance any theories.


hey spodie (hehe this is ok i hope), thinking like if we were in something together, why would i point the finger at you? well i would do that if i thought them coppers was gona nail me and i wanted to cut a deal by giving info on you or making it out to be all your fault! hmmm what ya think? sorry to use you as an accomplice dudette.


Title: Re: Rudy Sanchez alleged murder for hire
Post by: sassifrass on September 22, 2010, 03:58:08 PM
Hi sackyattack!

I see you have been busy on this Rudy thread!  ::MonkeyTongue::

The news articles are a good point of reference, but I would sure like to hear some of your Monkey thoughts on Rudy.  ::MonkeyWink::  ::MonkeyAngel::