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Hi Monkey's,

If you would like to contribute any ideas, theories or speculations, be free to voice your opinions.  I go first:)
   :smt093I feel SM turned 40th years old and went off the deep end. :smt093

 Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #28 9/12/2010 -
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when i said in the prev. post, but i would...
i was thinking like a mostly rational, unegotistical, narcisstic person. i wonder how th thinks though. and though i hate postings dealing with anyones sex life, if she is exhibiting almost addicted behaviour in this area, it would make her act diff. than most people. maybe this case doesnt make much sense because we are thinking in the way most people would act in these situations. i also think she has no ability to keep her explanations to herself and that i think is evidenced by her postings as rdsqrl, explaining herself. i think this is good and possibly how this case will get solved, she will keep talking. i dont think she would have been able to stay off the phone, internet, or around people for three months.

that is kinda funny but may be exactly right, because of her intense desire to have the perfect body building body and the apparent desire to have so many affairs, turning 40 might have been devistating to her

that combined with the postpartum stress, kaine mentioned

and thanks for the thread, will have to post a link to it every now and then, if i see
a post that fits here

I have to be honest and say I believe Kyron to not be alive. I don't think he is being hidden away, especially in a Mexican orphanage as I think his white skin and blond hair would stand out like a sore thumb. I will say though I am not sure if Terri did this or she was set up because of her involvement in something or if this is is some kind of revenge. I think the swim coach that stated he didn't know Terri was Kyrons step mom and I think it had been reported that Kryon would call Terri mom so someone could have thought Kyron was her son.
So as you can tell I don't have one theory because we don't have enough information. I think it is obvious Terri is involved somehow but how I am not completely sure.

thought id add this to the T&S thread

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8508.msg1227329#msg1227329

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   Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #27 9/06/10
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Quote from: sebastian on September 12, 2010, 03:08:47 PM
Quote from: cw618 on September 12, 2010, 02:57:33 PM
im with ya tracygirl

TH time line, has bugged me since the beginning, lets say  this is the real time block, for what TH did that morning
8;45,till the FM, where AL saw her and the baby, i still think it was the first and only store TH went to, why because the LE wouldnt have asked about,the parking lots
of the stores, and if the truck had been seen, if they knew for sure she was at the 2nd FM, i think the LE have doubts , about the 2nd FM, so that gives us between
8;45 and 9;45-10am, alibied, next block of time is 9;45-10am, till the gym  at 11;20, LE didnt ask for info about the gym, so im guessing they know she was there,
so that is roughly, 1 to 1-1/2 hr, if she caused harm to kyron,resulting in death
so where could you put a person,  in that amount of time, if they are deceased
saying TH did whatever to kyron, to cause his death, i thought where could she
put a body not to be found for a long,long time, a couple of threads back,i had
suggested a U store it type place, at the time i was just thinking out the box
because of the same time block i used above, till i ran across this yesterday
im sure ive read it b4,i just didnt log all the details into the brain ya know

The couple moved to Albany and ran a storage facility for a while before buying into a Chubby's restaurant franchise with money from Horman's parents. http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/08/terri_horman.html




Hi CW,
The storage thing is interesting. I know this is sickening even posing this question, but if a body is in a completely sealed box, would it than not create an odor after a while?



Lime will

The use of lime, calcium oxide, or quick lime (it's all the same thing) has been around for centuries. It has a two fold advantage for body disposal. The first use is to help disguise the smell of decomposition, thus confusing the cadaver dogs or just for general aesthetics. The second is to speed the rate of decomposition. I hopes this helps out in a strictly educational and non-legal get my @$$ in trouble with the law kind of way.
Source(s):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calcium_oxi…

and in another post i had mentioned maybe a deep freezer in the storage facility
could have been used too
 
from
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8465.msg1227291#msg1227291
 

EDIT i was thinking like a mostly rational, unegotistical, non-narcisstic person.   Lord i hope so!!

i think perhaps the only hope i can find that he is alive is that, as complicated as the research into this has been, it is possible that someone helped th to take him from the school, and that they did have some association through maybe a third party to jw who may have been able to send him to , not a mexican orphanage, but perhaps a canadian one, because the fop/embassy enterprises had links in canada as well. that is a far stretch i know, but the reaching seems possible because of all the twists turns/associations with almost everyone named in this case. just my opinion, and hope.

just my opinion, theory, and speculation:


th planned this out.
th had an accomplice in around the truck on june 4 at skyline
the accomplice knew kyron, so kyron could have been sent back to the truck by himself and not been afraid to sit in the truck waiting for th to come out, to go to a supposed dr apt, or whatever story she may have told him. "we can stop in and take your project but then we have to leave." she makes an aliby, i left him at school. i remember she changed it a couple times, i left him wandering down the hall alone, i left him with a male chaparone, and frankly i beleive the school teacher that said th told her of a dr apt more than i beleive th.
she then left, having time to either leave kyron in the truck with accomplice, or drop him off with someone else, which is why the first of the day timeline is important to me. dd spicher is "missing" after the aliby of fm is established by th. there is time to do something with kyron. what i dont know. she returns to the house and waits for the school bus to come by. note she didnt go to the school to pick up kyron and his project, the only reason she asked for the truck that day was to pick up his project. then i beleive she was met with two or three unexpected things happening, unbeleivable press coverage and investigating, cop living at her house. this would make communicating with accomplices difficult or impossible. and i dont know what she would have done in those circumstances. just my opinion

Sackyattack, I hope you are correct and Kyron is being hidden away somewhere. Perhaps I am jadded at this point. I want to be proven wrong...

I think there are so many possibilities on what could have happened to Kyron and who took him. At this point, I am not sure.

the thread does not read speculation on TH only, so im guessing it is open to
all aspects of the case
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I really hope they are wrong.

And what's scary is how little time it has taken me to READ with comprehension and understand what probably happened to this kid. Like everyone else I am just waiting for LE.
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So far there is clearly 2 different people with incidences of sexual come-on's from Terri... one from the MFH LS to kill Kaine & the other from Cook to get Kiara. If there is testimony which indicates the same pattern was used to get the bat phones... I think it would STRONGLY suggest that Terri indeed had help and worked somebody over with sexual favors to have helped her take Kyron. Think about it, IF she had Cook "ready & willing" in such a short time period to take a HUGE risk for her... well then.

Remind everyone that I am a TOTAL stranger to this case, but as far as Kyron goes, I ONLY believe he is alive because of the tip I called in. I never got a call back but with the information I gave, they wouldn't need to because they could verify the rest of it without me further involved at all. I REALLY wished I could elaborate & say more but won't due to the fact that it could even remotely jeopardize something about Kyron or this case.
 

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then i searched the ac, UID "1057241" , i have not read all 61,Replies, to see whats up
with user, maybe when i have more time, if i can fig out, more about, his/her posts, im a little
curious as to how anything he/she reported, would have to do with kyron, as they are a
total stranger, to it,per his/her statement

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addition: i think this theory would involve several people and as this abduction has kind of spiraled out that the original conspiritors are afraid they will be convicted of a greater crime than they first anticipated. i think they are unaware that the first one to confess gets the best deal

if this was the case/or what happened, i hope this reaches their ears

i think they are unaware that the first one to confess gets the best deal

cw318.

I enjoy your posts.

PPD surely played a big part in her life.  She also wanted her freedom and just like Casey she needed to find a "back door" to
that freedom, that she missed so much.  SM found a way to get rid of number one son, changed the poor kid's name,
and sent him to another school, which I find so whack-a-do.

The son has three dads three last names. SM is a whack-a -doodle and a mean-spirited and very greedy person. IMO

I was looking for opinions on the internet for KH case.  I thought I would start a thread, I was interested in the
opinions from the Monkeys.  I am naturally curious and hope others will help keep my mind open.  ::MonkeyJustice::

Thank-you, Klaas, for giving us the freedom to begin to new threads. ::MonkeyAngel::

Tracygirl,

You are right, we don't have enough information.

It seems like there is so much out there, we know almost nothing about that day.  There  is nothing that has been confirmed except the white truck. There may have been more than one white truck and more than one person.

The Grand Jury will need to tell us more if they indict someone. That could be a week, a month or a year.  ::MonkeyEek::

I add my post within Kyron's cage - here

Terri - her life as it is broken down by the years
Instead of me chopping and messing with the article
I provide the link of the entire article
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/08/terri_horman.html

Points pulled out:

1988 -Terri's Sr Year High School, 18 yrs old.  Terri meets Ecker and dates him. They remain friends.
   She and he must have been very close friends. That they stayed in a long term relationship.
Ecker recalls her 21st Birthday party and that he was asked to stand up at her wedding ( Groomsman) November 1991.

November 1991 - Terri marries Ron Tarver Jr.
The couple move to Albany and ran a Storage Facility Business.
After at what year? Terri and Ron Tarver along with Terri's parents invest in a restaurant franchise " Chubby's"
1994 Terri and Ron along with Terri's Parents sue the franchise and are offered a 250k settlement.
January 1994 James is born.

November 1995 Terri and Ron Tarver Divorce.
directly after divorce - Terri and Richard Ecker start dating again

August 1996 Terri and Richard Ecker get married.
March 1998   Terri is in a car accident hit by a Drunk Driver suffering health ailments
August 1998 - Richard Ecker adopts James

After adopting James, the elder Eckers express their concern for their son. That he was pushed into adopting James. Soon after within the article they express that Terri felt they could reach into the bank account ??? of Jame's inheritance??
Was the money from the Car accident? Or Chubbys ?? or ??

January 2002 Terri and Richard are Divorced.
Spring of 2002 Terri finds her interest " Working out at the Gym"
June 2002 Terri meets Kaine Horman at restaurant and begins dating him.
September 2002 Kyron Horman is Born
December 2002 Terri and Kaine move in with each other.
Court records early 2003  Kaine and Desiree's divorce is finalized.
2003 Terri earns a Master's of Art Education from Pacific University
2004 Desiree goes to live in Canada for Medical treatment
2005 Terri starts training " Body Building"
July 2005 Terri is arrested for Drunk Driving with James in the car
2006 Kaine sells Aloha House that was his house with Kyron, that he shared with Terri/James
Jan 2007 Kaine purchases house in Portland
3 months later 2007 Kaine and Terri get married in Hawaii
November 2008 Kiara is born

Sometime 2009 speculated Terri hires a Landscaper - to place a hit on Kaine

2010 James is sent away to live with maternal Grandparents  - then to live with Tarver and his wife/siblings.

2010 Terri is still unemployed, not able to find a teaching position and is a stay at home Mom of Kyron & Kiara
2010 Terri finds herself complaining of loneliness, lack of money and that she is spending many hours online playing games, shopping online, feeling inadequate with her looks, her body etc... to all and any that will reply to her on facebook.

June 4th, 2010 is not a normal day, it starts out with possibly an argument with Kaine/Terri carrying itself over from the night before. Kaine scoots off to the office, Terri takes Kyron to School. It is Kyron's Science Fair. It's his Day and yet none of his parents stay for Kyron. Terri drops him off, Kaine never goes, Desiree is 4 hours away.
Could it be that all the adults were in such a " triangle" that they chose not to meet up at Kyron's school .. for his BIG DAY .. because neither one of them wanted to run into each other.. to attempt to exchange false fake pleasantries.
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The pattern of Terri though is why I broke this down. Every year noted its " Drama" its Fight or Flight in Terri's Life. Its I either gotta get out or Find a New Person to Carry Me.
Because for some reason she feels - she is not GOOD Enough to stand on her own two feet.
She has amazing credentials. However never utilizing them. Or when she did she offered up such a personality conflict she was not wanted. Even as a Substitute Teacher.
She has never left herself with a time to heal. She has never had a time in her adult life to figure out what she WANTS and Needs as an individual.  She has jumped from Man to Man - since she was 18 years old. My guess her brain stopped and is still living in theory as if she still in High School. Even then she didn't have control. Her Father Larry always pushing her to be the best of the best ..  She doesn't have the skills to handle " her own self " because she doesn't know who she is. Trials and Errors she has a mountain of. Her successes being James Mother .. He is more mature than she is. Kiara is was a new anchor for her ..and I have said this before. I bet she is relieved that Kaine has custody of Her.
Kyron was the " one who mattered least, yet could cause the most damage and pain to Kaines world" .. because He made Promises to Terri. ( Her brain) He said it would be different.
Do you see how sick Terri could possibly be? That she is that tired from running from Life.
She found out that Kaine did have an affair or not ?- but he simply didn't provide her with what her expectations were? How to you build a foundation on a relationship that started with a Married Man, with a 8 month Pregnant wife .. that is surrounded by pain. A powder keg of emotions. I am sure that Kaine fed her the biggest bunch of Woes .. and etcs. BUT in Terri's mind " He Picked Me" .... awe. puke. How would anyone find this a easy ride without complications .......??? I think it drew Terri in more ( Kaine's perplexities) yet would scare any other normal woman away. A healthy Mind would say to Kaine.. once you are divorced and your settled give me a call. Maybe we can have coffee.
Kyron became a target I think, because he was easy pray and Terri could manipulate him, the Day of June 4... I still think she had help. She I believe has a treasure trove of " friends" within her years that are not the greatest ..but served her for the times she felt alone.
 Kyron

http://www.katu.com/news/local/96220474.html
Story Published: Jun 12, 2010 at 3:25 PM PDT
Shults said he and his "FBI colleagues," once they determined this search "could take some time," needed the family to "keep some of the normal activities in their life" to help combat stress. Shults contends that when "the family" was told to resume their life they broke down, telling deputies that "You don't understand, our normal activities are with Kyron. Everything we do now will not be normal."

The family liaison also implied the family was told to stay "off the blogs that throw things in wrong directions." This information could be in response to a Facebook comment made by Kyron's step-mom on the first Saturday of the search. In that comment she said: "Please don’t listen to the news. It is inaccurate. We will give details as soon as we can

i only ever heard her side, they told me to stay doing normal stuff, just stumbled on this^

Hello Monkey's,

I am posting the comment here because I have no confirmation if true.  The comments I found insightful on OL.

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/09/new_strategy_in_kyron_horman_c.html#comments


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i think that is probably true, because  the comments after news stories show an enflamed public (not all, just some), and because even though the le has not named her as a suspect, they have done nothing to say to the public that she is not a suspect. fliers and questionaires that contained her and or dd spicher only. none for rudy sanchez or jason Name Redacted etc. so i think they might be liable if something were to happen to her, financially. jmo

thought i would post this here, i am in washington and we just had county sherrifs elections, and well, sometimes ex sherrifs etc would come out of the woodwork saying how the current guy was messing up and this reminded me of that. the last paragraph is a comment i found under the caption for this story.



Ex-Sheriff Weighs In On Kyron Task Force - Portland News Story - KPTV Portland
www.kptv.com
PORTLAND, Ore. -- A former Multnomah County sheriff said a task force could have been more useful earlier in the investigation into Kyron Horman's disappearance. Friday, September 17, 2010.

I would caution that all three of the retired LE spokesmen in this case have questionable credibility - look them up and find out how they retired. Not that I don't want to believe at least one of them is promulgating LE neglect, but we need to stay open to private agendas.

I think Kyron became a liability to TH.  He saw/knew something about her that was going to be exposed to Kaine.  I think she carefully planned every step of this and did it all on her own.  I don't think he's hidden anywhere.  It's cold and calculating just like her jmo.

I'm not sure how all the pieces fit because this has so many twists and imo is only a couple pegs up from the Satsuma pillbillies case with unnecessary stuff thrown in to make it appear at times other than what it is.

I think we have moved into a whole new uncharted territory of prosecuting with no body/forensic evidence.  Maybe technology has not caught up or maybe some dumb laws are stopping us but it is clearly SNAFU imo.

All JMO. 

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My theory is that TH was pretty upset with Kaine over who knows what.   IMO, when people meet & start dating married people, the cycle will mostly likely repeat somewhere down the line.  I'm not saying every time, just kind of in general.  Anyway, I think that she had some substance abuse issues, compounded by post-partem & possibly used steroids while she was a body-builder.  It's my understanding steroids make people pretty paranoid, unpredictable and violent.  I think she planned to kidnap Kyron, with the intent to release him after she got paid. I think something went terribly wrong that day - maybe she didn't mean to harm Kyron more than just maybe drugging him and keeping him somewhere until she could get a ransom and something happened (he ODs?  She gets violent?).  I thinks she put him in the Columbia and I doubt he will ever be found.  IF TH did this, it's darn near a perfect crime.  It's hard to convict when there's no body - I know it's happened, but in this case I don't think LE has enough hard evidence to accuse or convict anyone. 

Another scenario is she passed him off to someone in a boat - but I find it hard to believe that anyone would keep him safe all this time.  If her cellphone pinged out on Sauvie that morning, I'd like to know why.  I've been there, and there wasn't much out there to do.  Kind of an odd place to just go hang out by yourself.

I don't think it was some unknown person.  Maybe she had help - Dede certainly knows something and I think that guy she was sexting with might know something as well. I can't even think about any other possibility like he's been pushed into some trafficking thing. 

i was watching a movie, someone fell in a well, and i thought maybe i should
check that out, and as it turns out there are 2 wells near the hormans place
the 16300 NW Sheltered Nook Rd, was recent, i tried to find it on the bing
map but couldnt see it, the places look busy on bing birds eye and they are
 close ,01 mile apart, so that might shot that theory down, it would be
a fast way to disappear someone

01 mile apart
http://tinyurl.com/2vesv5z


abandoned wells near 15725 NW Sheltered Nook Rd, Portland, OR 97231

 16230 NW Sheltered Nook Rd, Portland, OR 97231

0.3 mi
map
http://tinyurl.com/36gx5u5

well link pg 1
http://tinyurl.com/3y44kt4

http://apps.wrd.state.or.us/apps/gw/well_log/well_report.aspx?q=basic&township=2.00&township_char=N&range=1.00&sctn19=1&range_char=W&pagesize=10

well history, drilled 5/8/1986 finished 5/14/86
http://apps2.wrd.state.or.us/apps/misc/vault/vault.aspx?wl_county_code=MULT&wl_nbr=1692
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16300 NW Sheltered Nook Rd,

0.5 miles

map
http://tinyurl.com/39mz355

well link pg 4
http://tinyurl.com/3y44kt4

http://apps.wrd.state.or.us/apps/gw/well_log/well_report.aspx?q=basic&township=2.00&township_char=N&range=1.00&sctn19=1&range_char=W&pagesize=10

well history, drilled 3/30/2009 finished 3/30/2009
http://apps2.wrd.state.or.us/apps/misc/vault/vault.aspx?wl_county_code=MULT&wl_nbr=98914

http://apps.wrd.state.or.us/apps/gw/well_log/Default.aspx

Hmmm.... Good work.  Thanks for this info. You might consider contacting Harry Oakes to see if he's searched that area or is aware of these possibilities.
K. Cat.

I have to say I am starting to lean away from Terri having done this. That will not make me any friends but that is how I feel. I am not even sure anymore if she has anything to do with this such as planning it. I really am starting to doubt that.

That may be possible TG. IMO I think this whole case lies closer to home than you think. I don't believe it's complicated at all. I do believe TH has a hand in it, but only from a distance, so to speak. She knows what happened to Kyron, but I don't believe for one minute that she ended his life.

I do believe that someone close to the family is responsible for Kyron missing, and that it was not intentional. I think this person will crack soon, and the guilt will overcome them.

The dots do connect as far as I can see, and I think it's going to be a bitter sweat day when the truth comes out. That's MOO.

starting to think that too, its the timeline, if the info we have is correct,
that timeline is so tight for murder,dispose of victim, hand off, ect.
and only so many possibilities where he could be in the radius of that timeline
i keep thinking, then i blow holes in my own theories
an unknown S.O., fits the best, as the USO would have no reason to be in a hurry
about any thing that concerns the victim, since the USO, is unknown
maybe someone that reads this fourm, will think wow you know, johndoe, was gone
more time than he said he would be,and the excuse was lame, and start looking
at johndoe a little harder, we can only hope something clicks,and is 1+1=kyron

It could be an USO or  or from another area or a pedophile that was grooming the family. Too much doubt or other possibilities for me to continue to believe with certainty Terri did this or had a hand in it.
Perhaps she brought someone into her life that caused this, but even with that the extent of the relationship would have to be known for me to say she is responsible.
So my mind is open wide for a number of possibilities in this case.

Does anyone have any feelings towards AV, BP or Brother James

Mhmm. Sure do.  ::MonkeyCool::

Btw Harleycolt, Welcome to the cage.  ::MonkeyWink::

Me too

just putting this out there,maybe it will spark something somewhere with someone
during a discussion,this theory came about

A Murder For Hire Plot With A Twist

we have TMH, trying to hire the landscaper,something like 6 mo,prior to Kyron disappearance,
he dosent take TMH serious,doesnt say anything until  kyron disappears,prob out of fear his
name will show up for the MFH, so he gets to the LE b4 TMH
now the msco,are all over it, they think TMH has harmed kyron,now a lever to force her to talk
but hey,TMH calls the LE, then lawyers up,shuts up,willing not to say anything,on her behalf or
or daughters, now the twist why
maybe TMH did find a murder for hire guy,he yaks and yaks,TMH is like ok lets do it,but the new
MFH guys motive wasnt money,even though he may have made that deal with TMH,his real reason
was to get kyron,or TMH sold kyron thinking she was going to get kaine dead,either way,now TMH
cant undo it bc,the new MFH guy knows who she is but she dosent really know who he is,and is in
fear, she has prob been sitting for 2yr,wondering when he will be back,could be why she is not spotted
in public to much
just saying my theory is right,TMH will never talk hoping the dude will just leave her alone,well time will
tell,we wont know unless something happens to TMH or her daughter,or LE stumbles on to it
id like to know why she would want kaine dead,the $$ theory just dont  feel right for a main motive

mfh
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/07/landscaper_tells_police_terri.html
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/07/landscaper_wore_wire_asked_ter.html

Good theory Cw!  You don't really need a big reason to get rid of someone. I think he may have tired of her and had been hinting that there might be ultimatums down the road, sooner than later!  She's never stayed with a man for very long so maybe he was just past his shelf life.  Could be multiple reasons but I have always said TH is not talking/defending because she is scared of something and not just prosecution. Idc who you are...most Mom's would be fighting for their dtr and she could have been in KH's business at least getting supervised visitation.  Something else is holding her back.  LE always said there were multiple investigations with this case.

THE DISAPPEARANCE OF KYRON - A THEORY IN A TIMELINE

The Terri Horman - DeDe Spicher - A Third Party Connection?

Friday, June 4, 2010

07:50 AM - (Horman Residence, 15725 NW Sheltered Nook Rd, Portland, OR 97231)  Terri leaves home with Kyron and Kiara in Kaine's pick up truck.  Terri claims the pick up truck is required that day to bring Kyron's science project home from school.  Terri picks up DeDe at a location close to Skyline Elementary. DeDe's vehicle is parked out of sight.

Driving Time - 10 minutes

08:00AM - 08:20AM - (Skyline Elementary, 11536 NW Skyline Blvd, Portland, OR 97231)  Terri, Kiara, Kyron and DeDe arrive at Skyline Elementary.  Terri parks in front of the school.  DeDe remains with the vehicle.  Terri, Kiara (?) and Kyron head directly to the classroom where photos of Kyron and Kurtis are taken with their respective science projects.  Meanwhile ... DeDe moves Terri's pick up truck from the front of the school to a back exit.  Upon exiting the classroom Kyron's jacket and backpack are purposely left behind on his desk.  Kyron is immediately taken unnoticed out of the school by Terri through a back exit to the waiting pick up truck.  Terri drives DeDe a short distance to pick up her vehicle.
 
Driving Time: 10 minutes

08:35 AM - (40 Acre Property, 13000 Northwest Old Germantown Road, Portland, OR)  Terri follows DeDe to her place of employment. DeDe parks her vehicle in a visible location leaving behind cell phone and makes her presence known.  DeDe leaves property unnoticed in Terri's pick up truck along with Kiara and Kyron.

Driving Time: 20 minutes

09:00 AM - (Fred Myers, 11425 SW Beaverton-Hillsdale Hwy  Beaverton, OR 97005)  Terri claims in an email to possess a 9:12 AM timed receipt.  DeDe, Kiara (?) and Kyron remain in the pick-up truck.

Driving Time: 10 minutes

09:30 AM - (Fred Meyers, 15995 SW Walker Rd, Beaverton, OR 97006)  While holding Kiara ... Terri has an encounter with Andrea Leckey allegedly between 9:30 AM and 10:00 AM.  Kyron and DeDe remain in parked pick up truck.

Driving Time: 2 minutes

10:00 AM - (Magic Cleaners, 16035 SW Walker Rd  Beaverton, OR 97006)  Store owner reveals in a media interview that Terri was in the establishment alone.  No Kiara.  DeDe, Kiara and Kyron remain in parked pick up truck.

Driving Time: 40 minutes

10:45 AM - (Sauvie Island Bridge) Records reveal pings from Terri's cell phone ... pings that originate on Sauvie Island.  Kyron is handed over to DeDe's former boyfriend's safe haven connection or Kaine's high school friend or the landscaper or ....

Driving time: 40 minutes

11:40 AM - (24 Hour Fitness, 1265 NW Waterhouse Avenue Beaverton, OR 97006)  Terri arrives at gym.  Kiara is left in gym's childcare. (?)  DeDe remains in the vehicle.

Driving Time: 20 minutes

01:00 PM - (40 Acre Property, 13000 Northwest Old Germantown Road, Portland, OR) Terri drives DeDe back to 40 acre property where DeDe makes her presence known.  When questioned regarding her absence ... DeDe insists she had been on the property all morning.

Driving Time: 15 minutes

01:15 PM - (Horman Residence - 15725 NW Sheltered Nook Rd, Portland, OR 97231) Terri returns home with Kiara.  Terri emails photo of Kyron taken earlier to contacts.

02:00 AM - Terri does not attend the talent show at Skyline ... the talent show that Kyron is a scheduled participant.  Terri does not bring home Kyron's science project?

TIME FRAME: 5 1/2 HOURS
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ACCUMULATED DRIVING TIME - 2 1/2 HOURS

Backup documents/videos/article to support my "theory" are available upon request.

The 3 1/2 year investigative holdup?  My theory implies that the silent Kyron Horman  investigation is far reaching as well as layered?  Could it be that investigators are not only focused on Terri but a small chain of participants this side of the Mexican border which is linked to the other side?

Could it be that a "safe haven link" may be the smoking gun that will allow investigators to bring Kyron home to his family?

was looking at some old files i have on Kyron, and ran across some notes
i had about the syringes( made when i read at blinks about dede) and trails
and TMH drugs for her postpartum dep,and other stuff, ect.anyway thought
i would put another theory up, remember this is just a theory

i dont like to think Kyron, was murdered, but we know it is a possibility
and saying that TMH is the perp, maybe this is how she did it. i think
antidepressants are used for postpartum dep.,kaine said she had them
and we know she had syringes, so dede says in an interveiw at BOC
a walk in these woods,an injection, leave body, covered or uncovered
i know horrid, murder is horrid no matter what means used
i wonder if this area was searched, looking at the vid, in some areas
someone could be 100ft away and you wouldnt know, thinking about it
this would be a good place for any perp,and body disposal, prob a
couple of bodies in those woods
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video bike trail
The sickest place if you just want to ride, ride, ride & ride. Whoever has seen Blair Witch

Project… and is since then screwed should NOT go to ride at Rocky Point! The Trail Network,

and I mean network, is hidden in a dense, really dense forest. One could get the feeling that

some eyes are always watching you… well… not to forget that BigFoot was seen and shot (for a

movie, not killed) in Oregon… so we might be just riding his living room.
http://mysingletrail.com/2011/09/rocky-point-road-trail-network-portland-oregon/

area where trail is located, see every trail map for more details
trail runs through the woods,between Gilkison,Rocky Point Rd,
and Gallaher Dr
NW Gilkison Rd, Scappoose, OR 97056
23999 Rocky Point Rd, Scappoose, OR 97056
NW Gallaher Dr, Portland, OR 97231
school
11536 NW Skyline Blvd, Portland, OR 97231
NW sheltered nook road
https://goo.gl/maps/cNY6S

bike trail lg map, might have to click hybrid
http://www.everytrail.com/view_trip.php?trip_id=1249422