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Anna - it was Aruba's responibilty to prosecute. What can TJ or anyone do and the truth be known, why should Beth have to hired anyone?

If Aruba wasn't screwing crime victims and their families around we wouldn't even be here.

How is that TJ's fault? What could he have done differently? and didn't he do what he was hired to do?

I know that most don't care for his remarks, and so be it, but all that aside - how could he make Aruba prosecute?

I hope Red drops that article soon on the FP!

I am looking forward to it.

This all goes back to the girl pushed / screwed off the balcony at the new westin and max devires.

This is all how Aruba operates and they got caught.

This doesn't have anything to really do with Tim Miller or TJ or anyone - it's all Aruba.

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:I32EBYu3R7oJ:blogsfornatalee.com/2010/02/04/prayer-request-for-georgeann-miller-wife-of-tim-miller/+%22georgeann+miller%22&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a (http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:I32EBYu3R7oJ:blogsfornatalee.com/2010/02/04/prayer-request-for-georgeann-miller-wife-of-tim-miller/+%22georgeann+miller%22&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a)

Prayer Request for Georgeann Miller, Wife of Tim Miller
February 4th, 2010 by Debbie in Blog

Posted on 03. Feb, 2010 by smckinney in Featured Articles, TES News,

02/03/10 — Tim Miller’s wife, Georgeann, has been diagnosed with the dreadful illness bone cancer. She and Tim are now making preparations for her much-needed treatments at one of the finest facilities in the world. Tim and Georgeann will let us all know when they decide they are ready to accept visitors or calls. Tim is devastated, and he is not really able to give his concentrated efforts to Texas EquuSearch at this time. We have counted on Tim to make many of our search decisions for years, but naturally, right now, all of his thoughts and concerns are about Georgeann. Tim will be contacting some of our various members and other TES associates from time-to-time, but he does not wish to receive any calls whatsoever at this point. He has been the Founder and Director of this organization for more than ten years … and he still rightfully remains so. He has specifically requested that no persons attempt to contact him by phone – or by any other means. Everyone will know when Tim feels he is ready to return to work. Let’s all please respect and honor his wishes, and let others know likewise. Any updates will be issued through this office. Tim has prayed for hundreds if not thousands of people during their time of need over the years. Now it’s time for all of us to pray for Tim and Georgeanne in their time of need. If you wish to leave you thoughts, prayers and well wishes, please leave a comment on this post. We will make sure Tim and Georgeann get them all. Thank you so much.

Link – Texas Equusearch

All of us at Blogs for Natalee send our thoughts and prayers to the Miller family.


No updates:

http://texasequusearch.org/2010/02/updates-on-georgeann-miller/

Updates on Georgeann Miller

Posted on 16. Feb, 2010 by smckinney in Featured Articles

Updates on Georgeann Miller’s condition will be forthcoming.  Thank you so much to everyone for your prayers and well wishes.

Blogs for the Dutch were sooper dooper concerned.

 ::MonkeyDevil::

Did Aruba twist TJ and Tim Miller's collective arms and make them say the things they did
about Beth?   I think that is what most here are outraged about.  But, maybe I am missing
the point.

You ain't kidding.

Rob,
He didn't find Natalee and he didn't uncover any shred of evidence that could be used to prosecute Joran.  I think he could have said right from the start that there was nothing he could do if that was the case.  Now I think he did check around in countries in close proximity to Aruba a bit but again nothing.  How do we know he even looked at all?  Because he says so I guess?

I never said it was his fault that Aruba didn't do the right thing but I don't think people like him are much better as they don't do so much either but sure charge as though they are going to.

And then turn around after taking the money and trash Beth???  Puh-leeze, Rob.  You know why that's wrong just as well as I do.

http://www.39online.com/news/local/kiah-miller-wife-cancer-story,0,5227175.story

This was around Feb 12, 2010

Founder of Texas Eqqusearch Takes Leave
Tim Miller Focusing on Wife's Health

Walk into the office of Texas Eqqusearch in Dickinson and you'll see years of work. There are awards for a job well done, pictures of famous faces and faces of the victims Eqqusearch has looked for. But if you look in an office down the hall, there is something you won't see: Tim Miller has taken a leave for the first time.

"My heart is definitely here everybody knows that," Miller said.

Miller said it started with a pain in his wife Georgeann's shoulder, it ended with a diagnosis. Now, the man who has searched for so many victims searches for the best way to care for his wife's bone cancer.

"You know the last week-and-a-half has been one of the longest periods in my life, especially since Laura was missing," Miller said.

Laura was Tim's 16-year-old daughter. Her abduction and murder in 1984 prompted Miller to form Texas Eqqusearch. Since 2000, there have been 1126 searches for missing children and adults, many of them murder victims. There have been high-profile cases like Natalie Holloway in Aruba, Caylee Anthony in Orlando and here at home, "Tiki" Buggs in Fort Bend County. A heart attack didn't stop Miller from that search, but now his focus is Georgann's case.

Sherry McKinney is the office administrator. When the calls come in now the response is different.

"We're doing it by committee, 3 people are deciding the searches, the calls are not going to Tim," McKinney said.

"It's been emotional for everyone involved."

Miller said he has been getting calls and messages from police all over the country: "Let us be there for you" seems to be a common theme.

Mags, I know you don't believe me, but no one twists TJ's arms at all. That's the truth. He doesn't need that. He has a great business and would never jeopardize it. Please Mags and all, it's not that way at all.

Email him - it's a very easy email to find and linked on his website along with his cell number - give him a piece of your mind and call him up.

he's not hiding - call him and ask.

He can't take calls... Beth was just honoring his wishes. ::MonkeyKiss::

Sometimes Red's time frame is different than yours or mine.  I've learned through the years if he says a couple hours that probably means a couple days  ::MonkeyCool:: .  I don't think he can help it, he means well but gets going in too many different directions  ::MonkeyCool::

sorry Anna, you missed the point. TJ was hired to make sure that the case was investigated. And that nothing was left out.

Are you agreeing that there was no evidence?

he was the back stop, and had no legal authority and you know that.

He was given the FBI informants when the FBI left.

And you know that.

So in February 2010 he was going to spend time with his wife.  That's why he traveled with Steph to California to walk through the McStay home  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Rob, did you listen to that tape of Steph Watts' program?

There is no one from Aruba saying all those things about Beth on there.  It was TJ Ward on Dana, not Gerald Dompig.

But from what he said, it was hard to tell the difference as it sounded just like something Dompig or one of the other Aruban defenders would say.

And now that they have taken their money and fifteen minutes of fame they have milked out of this, they have the nerve to second guess Beth without having a clue as to what she is even doing--they just know they don't approve as they were not included and don't stand to make any more money off her.

So whatever she is doing just must be wrong or they would be in on it, collecting fees and sticking their mugs on TV.

If they want to investigate finances, let's start with that $1.5 million Miller said they had already collected and had in hand to start the new searches of the remaining targets.

Some of us made fools of ourselves trying to defend him on that.  But the reporter and her boss both assured me that Tim is on tape sayibg that so let's start with where is that money right now.

Anna, you found the gumption to email Hans Mos, surely you'll email TJ to get your answers since you don't believe me.

oops, I think that TIm did something very wrong  ::MonkeyShocked::

Thanks for the articles about Tim's wife! 
 
I felt at the time....and it is just a feeling....that Tim was trying to lay low a bit.
It was just after the Donna Brock fiasco in the Haleigh case and the "F... Mark Klaas" statement.
He had gotten a little out of control then too.

BTW - when did I ever lie to anyone. Name one instance.

I shared everything I learned... within reason.

I didn't hold back and who else can say that but Kermit.

And this is not something to ever consider lying about.

So, email TJ and ask.

Boy, his stock has just taken a massive dump.

I think the Beth thing was the straw that broke the camel's back.

Unbelievable! It's like watching a plane dive into the ground, nose first, in slow motion. ::MonkeyNoNo::

Rob, I listened to him on Dana's program. . . twice.  I know exactly what he said and Dana gave him every chance to explain and he did and had his say uninterrupted.

I just don't respect anybody who takes money like that then turns around and bites the hand that has been paying him ONLY after he sees that he is out of the loop now and doesn't stand to make any more money.

I think that stinks. . . but that's just me.  I certainly don't have a single question about what he said as he didn't stutter at all but was crystal clear.

I think it is totally unprofessional to speak out against a client after taking that kind of  money.  And he is not such a big deal in the first place.  I live fairly close and had never even heard of him until Natalee disappeared.

said - looks like they took enough stuff to start over...

but who knows.

Rob, what are you talking about?  This has nothing at all to do with gumption--sure I have plenty.  But I already heard what TJ Ward had to say and frankly, I don't want to hear another word out of his Beth bashing mouth.

As for not believing YOU, what on earth are you talking about?  This has nothing to do with YOU.  It is about what TIm Miller and TJ Ward went on record saying about Beth going to Peru.

Nothing YOU say changes one word of what they said.

So I don't understand what you mean by this.  Explain, please?

It's all about what those two said on those two programs.  Has nothing to do with you, sorry.

you know, other than Skeeters and TJ - everyone else I have known who has been associated with this case sucks.

I know that everyone wants to rip TJ and ok, have your moment, but it's amazing that after all he did - and the death threats - everyone forgets.

it's kind of hard to solve a case when the entire government is against you.

nite all - I love you all more than ever.  ::MonkeyAngel::

prayers for Beth...

At the end of the day you don't disrespect the mother whose daughter was murdered.  She has every right to live her life as she sees it.  It is her right to make the decision to go and see that animal in prison.  She wakes up in the morning thinking about her daughter and she goes to sleep thinking about her daughter.

Just because others had a similar plan and they think she messed them up I say tough sh!t on you.

No body has a right to bash her for trying to find out some ounce of truth as to what happened to her daughter.

still no word TM ?  as im sure the word has leaked back to him about we all are so proud of his slamming


NOT



the silence says more and more everyday...  what a louse

It was the straw for me!   I have suspected things before, but continued to defend Tim.
I will never do that again...but he doesn't need me to defend him anyhow.  Charlierat and
all have taken up his cause now.

 :2notworthy: :2notworthy: :2notworthy: :2notworthy:

Yeahhhhhhhh!!! That's it.

Rob,

Again, what are you talking about?  This has nothing to do with you.  It's about what we heard with our own ears on Steph Watt and Dana Pretzer programs.

Tim Miller doesn't need my support it's the families of the missing that need it.  I no longer trust Tim Miller.  This is a shame because those families need all the help they can get.

How can you donate money when you are unsure of the persons actions you are contributing to.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Forget about Tim Miller there is always Fred Golba and his one hound show  ::MonkeyRoll::

Remember when Tim told that B'ham J. Hale that they had raised $1.5 million and we tried so hard to cover for him and explain his "fragile" condition (alcoholic and maybe intoxicated at the time he said that) and all the rest.

I even called her boss to insist Tim misspoke only to be told in no uncertain terms they had him clearly saying that on tape and were NOT going to back down on Miller having said it.

So where is that money?  Good place to start this financial investigation Watts speaks of.  What did Tim mean by that?  I did come quickly to regret trying to defend and explain him.

and dont forget Leonardo Padilla ::MonkeyTongue::

Monleys,
I want to know what's going on with Tim. Where I can find the info? Thank you ::MonkeyTongue::

I mentioned that the other day, Anna.  Where is that $1.5 million?  Tim said that it was secured.
Then he bashed Jen Hale and said he didn't say it, but my friend heard the original broadcast.

You sound like you are feeling better....like the regular Anna.

Natalee never had any kind of a real investigation from Aruba or otherwise as this was such a simple case from the start---garden variety punks involved.  Nothing at all unusual sadly in what happened.  Anyone with half a brain should have been able to collect evidence and solve it within a week as Beth gave them all the answers the first 48 hours.

There was never any intention to prosecute Joran at all.

And now after five long years, the is no "case" and no "investigation" for Beth to harm in any way.

Those claiming to the contrary are just lying some more.  You can't mess up what doesn't exist in the first place.

That's why these two should have just kept their big mouths shut and any thoughts of disapproval they had about Beth to themselves.  Surely they don't think after this long we are going to fall for the old "investigation in progress--film at 11!" routine!

Nothing even remotely exists in reality that it's even possible for Beth to mess up and I find my intelligence insulted for anybody to even suggest that there is.

Oh, yeah, they were right on the brink of solving Natalee's disppearance and bringing charges against Joran and Beth going to Peru just ruined it all!

Anyone that expects me to believe that after all these years is as nutty as a fruitcake!

Absolutely nothing was being or is being done to bring justice for Natalee on the part of Aruba just the same as always. 

After five years, they have ALL had plenty of chances and produced squat!  Based on that, it takes some nerve to criticize BETH!

I'd say after all this time and zilcho from all other sources except Peter de Vries, Beth is entitled to do anything she wants.

But that's just me and my opinion.  I just can't think of one reason she should tread on eggshells as though there is some big deal in the works when we all know there is nothing at all.  Same as always.

Cecilito,

Did you see the thread in this section on Tim Miller on the Steph Watts program?  That has most of the information in it.

He is probably planning to go back next week to search the pond again.  He's taking a
pony this time too. ::MonkeyJnBox::  Then he'll have the dog and pony show as it should be.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Here is the thread that has the transcript of a recent interview with Steph Watts & the link to the interview is there, also.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8625.0

Yes, thanks, Magnolia, I am feeling a bit better.  When I have one problem, it makes the others  worse, etc. but hope to be feeling much better especially next week.  The ole week to ten days schedule.

But for me the bottom line is I heard what I heard and think what I think and know what I know.  I know what I heard.

It sure does seem some of these men go to Aruba to look for Natalee and get to having one heck of a good time, too.  Odd, that.  Makes me wonder just what the big attraction there really is.  I mean, those manmade beaches are certainly not peculiar to Aruba so has to be something else.

Oh, well.  I am certainly glad Beth took some steps to counter the THREE books being written currently as revisionist history on this tragedy.

At least some one is trying to keep the record straight and the truth out there.

I am truly looking forward to seeing what she and Peter dV have produced in this regard.  Would still love to see the expression on Joran's mug when he saw her there, lol.

We can all voice our displeasure and/or concerns through  TES website:
http://texasequusearch.org/contact-tes/who-to-contact/
I plan to......

I remember how pissed I was when Beth spoke at the TES fundraiser last year... and they
auctioned off some 5 br house on tish hole island. I thought it was entirely inappropriate
after what happened to Natalee... and Beth being there in person, that TES do that.

I felt that then... and I still feel it was in poor taste.

Tim has something for Aruba.... something that a murdered disposed of young girl just couldn't shake. That says pretty much what I need to know about Tim Miller. He should move there...
there is a lot of searching to do. He can search for the ones that make the news... and the 80% that will never see the light of day in a news article. The real unlucky ones.

Beth canceled, she wasn't there.  Tim talked about it on Steph's show...but I don't think the reason stated is the reason she canceled...jmo.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8625.0

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And she was supposed to come to our other one that we had in April and the day before the Fundraiser she canceled and it was advertised all over that Beth was gonna be here.

 ::MonkeyCool::

......and he can take care of the turtles. ::MonkeyJnBox::

Forgot to add, Dave was there.

Wonder how Dave felt about them auctioning off the house in Aruba?

Or maybe Steph was the highest bidder?


 ::MonkeyNoNo::

You're on a roll tonight!   ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyDevil::

Well, maybe she saw the way I see it. DISRESPECTFUL - CRUEL - TACKY

You think you are friends with somebody - then they toss in a subtle cruel trick...

Hey, isn't that the patented Aruban A-HATER format?

Friends like that are in fact not really friends at all. Those things are bright red warning flags...
although many people will attempt to brush them away as nothing.

Those kind of friends deserve NO MORE WORDS.

You can never forgive someone who is not repentant.

It just does not work.

You can go ahead and forgive anyway without someone repenting...

Let me know how that works out for you.

Your new name will be DOOR MAT.

Outlook: Doom

Steph won it by a nose!  ::MonkeyTongue::

Thank you guys, I just read what Tim said about Beth and Dave. It seems that he is disappointed about Beth canceled two fundrisers and then ask for money if she will talk in the fundriser.
At this point I believe that Tim, Dave and Beth may get some money to live when they are 100 % involve in their case, donations work, etc.. I actually donate every year for parents in need with kids with cancer. the money goes straight to the parents to paid their bills when they are with their sick kids in the hospital, they are people have to pay their bills like everybody with the difference that their kids are in need.
In this case, if Beth will sell his documentary it is OK if it will help her to continue her search to find Natalee but the most important is to put Natalee's face in other countries because if the monster leaves jail alive in 2040 everybody will know who is JORAN THE MONSTER. I feel really bad for Beth because with all being said about Natale, Beth may think that she is dead or she is a live in other country for human trafficking, the worst nightmare of a mother.

I certainly appreciate every bit of info Rob and all good Monkeys bring to the Natalee Holloway thread on Scared Monkeys......
That's why I'll be here, God willing, to see Justice for Natalee......
I did send an email to tim miller expressing my disappointment with his comments about Beth to Steph (is that a girlie name or what? ) no offense to real girlie names.....
I'll let you know if I receive a reply......

Brown nose?     ::MonkeyDevil::

Exactly.

And Silvetti and Schaefer being the "honored guests" was just the cherry on top of the 5-bedroom house in Aruba!

 ::MonkeyNoNo::
 

Dear Tim‏
 
10:45 PM
Reply  ▼


Carpe






To tim.miller@texasequusearch.org

Trashing Beth Holloway was so unwise of you.



I hope you fall off the Earth!!!!!!!!


You pathetic silly little man.


I would rather set my money on fire than donate it again to an organization run by you.


You can go no lower at this point. You dirt bag scum of the earth. ::HelloKitty::


----

As you can see, I showed some restraint.

 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

Carpe
Good one Carpe....
I showed a little more restraint with my email to tim..... ::MonkeyWink::
I also sent an email to Tjward2002@aol.com found on: http://www.investigativeconsultantsinternational.com/default.asp


Let's compare replies.....

Silly me...no I don't think really think Steph donated a dime.

More than likely if that's the house they stayed in...the highest bidder donated it back to Equusearch and Tim didn't see any problem with them utilizing it for that trip that accomplished absolutely nothing but a couple blog talk shows...and his JVM appearances.

I'll be surprised if anyone receives a response from Tim, he said he was ready for the criticism so I'm sure he has one of his women screening his email.

 ::MonkeyJnBox::

Your probably right texasmom....
so I sent it to ALL the contacts on his website...including the BODs.....
 ::MonkeyWink::

OOPS...Sorry,
I forgot we aren't talking....

LOL! He also said there are 140 more targets and a cool 1.5 milly sitting in the bank to go
back to Aruba and search one day.

Tim says a lot of things that turn out to be untrue.

We should have donated the money to his wife so she can have someone that's really compassionate to be with her for her battle with cancer.

I don't think they ever auctioned off the house.  I think the house was a shill to get people
to donate, thinking they would win a big prize.  I think it was Silvetti's house and Silvetti
probably won the raffle.....Con Game!

Tim Miller:  If Beth really wants to make a difference and help people...you know we had more people disappear in the United States of America in the last twenty four hours... do you hear this ... twenty four hours, than Aruba has in their entire history.  This was a very isolated incident ...


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1. Comparing USA pop. 350 million people to an island of under one hundred thousand people is not the wisest idea.

2. Tim only knows what Aruban officials tell him... and for some reason believes it.

3. It doesn't matter if it's an isolated incident. It only takes one handled exactly the way they mishandled it. Nobody with a brain cell would go back there because absolutely nothing has changed. Not even their attitudes about it. It will happen again, it is just a matter of time.

Just like we predicted Joran would murder again. It was only a matter of time.

Just like many of us have predicted Joran will die stuck in Peru. It is only a matter of time.

More tourists will die in Aruba the way Natalee did. Nothing has changed.

Good Night Good Monkeys...

Justice for Natalee is just around the corner...
That is why we are here.......

Plain and simple -- TJ - I'm calling you out. I have made my case pretty well known here. Speak your mind - and then we'll judge.

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Only in your dreams Dilma....  ::MonkeyRoll::

The focus will never be off of Aruba, when anyone in the world hears the name Joran van der Sloot or sees his ugly face...ARUBA comes to mind.

http://www.diario.aw/2010/09/joran-por-fabor-basha-abao-pa-caba/

(http://www.diario.aw/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/joran.jpg)

Aruba protected a murderer, and sent him on his way to murder again.

You helped in every way you could, there's blood on your hands too.

If broadcasting your fantasy scenario's makes you feel better, go for it.

It won't change a thing.

And one more thing, Dilma....Karma's a B_tch!  If you don't believe me, ask your friend Anita.

http://www.people.com/people/

SAN  O/T Caylee is on 49

I'd really like to know more about that house. 
Is it possible the house did not get any bids and the donated house is sitting on TES books?  Listed as a donation-in-kind and requiring a $ amount attached to it? 
Or was it a donation of the use of the house for a specific period of time?

Did TES ever list (item by item) the final bids of auctioned donations?
In other words, how much money did the fund raiser/s make for TES?

Thanks Nut.  I see Muffy got the lock.

Wreck I just listened to the TJ portion again. 
I'm appalled that he suggested the money Joran gained from the extortion, was used to go to Peru..."and another young girl has lost her life".
Why oh why isn't the blame for Stefany' brutal murder placed squarely in the hands of Joran.  Period!

Another thing I didn't pick up on the other night - my bad (was too agitated!)  - Dana said he and TJ and been emailing back and forth for two or three days.  Presumably about the topic to be discussed, so TJ had plenty of time to think about what he would say. 
He chose to give a negative opinion on his thoughts about Beth's trip to Peru. 
Also added "they got caught trying to record Deepak".

Sometimes silence is golden.  Where are the golden boys in all this?
 ::MonkeyMad::

Justice for Natalee! ::MonkeyJustice:: ::MonkeyAngel::

I agree with your entire post Anna.

Carpe you do have a really compassionate heart, I appreciate that about you.

Me three !

This morning the google search for Steph Watts pulls up the SM thread on him as #4

Thank you monkeys  ::MonkeyDance:: Let's keep clicking to keep it highly visible and if you haven't scrolled to the end of the thread, Klaas' artwork is priceless  ::MonkeyDevil::

O/T I hope Klaas has a most wonderful visit with her new granddaughter !!

 ::MonkeyShocked::

Dilma Arends Geerman!!!!

Is there a connection!!

It was Tim Miller who brought the pond witness Jenny Geerman to the States to be privately polygraphed.

Janet

++++++

We're Searchers

WATT'S UP WITH THIS? STEPH WATTS & TIM MILLER 9/19/2010

Tim Miller:  Beth needs to understand, Beth is the mother, Beth is not the investigator. ....

We’re searchers, we let the investigators do their job.

Transcript - Texasmom

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/watts-up-with-this/2010/09/20/watts-up-with-this#endframe


The Pond Witness

Natalee Holloway Investigation: Exclusive … Tim Miller of Texas EquuSearch in Aruba to meet With ALE/Prosecutor … New Witness That Puts Joran & Paulus Van der Sloot Near Ponds on 5/30/05

Posted September 10, 2008 by Scared Monkeys

We just recieved a call from Tim Miller of Texas Equusearch. Tim is presently in Aruba and planning to meet with the Aruban prosecutor and the ALE. It appears that there is a new witness that has come forward that has placed Joran Van der Sloot in wet and muddy clothing out at 4:00am on 5/30/05. The 48 year old Aruban witness also places Paulus Van der Sloot at the scene picking up Joran in a red jeep.

Why is this witness potentially credible? The Aruban passed two polygraph tests in Houston, TX on August 5, 2008. The tests were performed by John Swartz of John Swartz & Associates, International Polygraph Examiners. The 48 year old Aruba, name withheld for obvious reasons, went to police early on in the investigation; however, was not taken seriously. He is also claimed to have spoke with Hans Mos. Whether an actual police report exists of the witness is unknown.

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http://scaredmonkeys.com/2008/09/10/natalee-holloway-investigation-exclusive-tim-miller-of-texas-equusearch-in-aruba-to-meet-with-aleprosecutor-new-witness-that-puts-joran-paulus-van-der-sloot-near-ponds-on-53005/


The Private Polygraph

BTW

The polygraph image has gone "poof" from Steph Watts site.  I ... along with others ... have backed it up so ... it will never really go away.

Janet

http://stephww.files.wordpress.com/2010/02/lie-detector.pdf

I wonder if the "house" that was to be auctioned was simply a week or two at the house, as in a timeshare?  It could have been off season or whatever, who knows?  And there's a BIG difference between auctioning a house as a prize and a time share week or weekend.  Has anyone found the paticulars of this auction item?   :2thinky:

 ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::

Adding the link:
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8625.0
WATT'S UP WITH THIS? STEPH WATTS & TIM MILLER 9/19/2010 (PARTIAL) TRANSCRIPT

Thank you.  Have been working on it!  ::MonkeyHaHa::

o/t agree - what a wonderful day for Klaas! ::teddybear::

I agree also.

Can't mess up something that never existed.

And we all know - there was never going to be a true and impartial investigation into the investigation.

All that did was clear the guilty.

The history has been written on this case and it's about about corruption.

One other point.

The FBI extortion sting is pretty cut and dry. Charges were filed. I can't really see how anything could be implied as tampering. Joran even admitted he did extort from Beth. So, I'm not sure what 'tampering' could be alleged. That's over except the jail time in the US.

Beth is not a party to the Flores murder, although some would like to make it all her fault, but the reality is - she has nothing to do with it.

Like I said - what's Beth to do? Should she just live her life and maybe look back and have regrets that she didn't do more? I couldn't live like that and I don't think anyone here would either.

Time is short for Joran, he could be dead in a week, a day or an hour. Beth should use whatever she can to get any info.

I don't think Joran knows where Natalee's body is - but that doesn't mean I'm right or that she shouldn't make sure and continue trying. Maybe he does know. We can't know with 100 % certainly because he is such a lying sack of crap.

And to be honest - this is where Anita continues to be a miserable failure. Shouldn't she be pleading with Joran to reveal the location so that Beth can bury her daughter? Hasn't this all gone on long enough already. shouldn't there be some measure of closure?

That alone speaks volumes and reveals that either Anita is complicit, or the Aruban government is so involved that even after all this time, and the fact that everyone knows that Natalee is dead - that they are heartless corrupt bastards. They could careless about Beth or Natalee.

At some point - when the heat is too much - Paulus will be the responsible party.

iirc, it was exactly that, a timeshare and the winner could pick the week of choice.  I think it was posted here, but I have not had a chance to look for it.  Texasmom, aka TM   ::MonkeyWink::  may have it.

This is all I could find right now and it was recent from TM.  I still think it being a timeshare was discussed, but I can't say if it was true or not at the moment.  I may not be using the right search words. 

THE PERSISTENCE DISTRACTIONS

Both incidences that are as perceived distractions from the Persistence find in Aruban waters ... Dave Holloway is the contact person and ... Natalee's father then involves Tim Miller.

+++++++

A Man Called Marcos    

The search for Natalee Holloway

TRANSCRIPT
By Chris Hansen
Correspondent
NBC News
updated 5:20 p.m. PT, Fri., Feb. 22, 2008

This bizarre story originated in the central American nation of Nicaragua.

It happened last month, when Natalee’s father Dave received a message from a man who called himself Marcos. He said he had important information about where they could find Natalee's body. ....

In January, Dave Holloway asked Tim Miller to head to Nicaragua to arrange for a meeting...and to Miller's surprise, Marcos showed up. ....

Together, Miller and Marcos came up with a plan. ....

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23301056/page/5/


The Pond Witness

Dave Holloway

January 6, 2009
Press Anouncement
Ladies and gentlemen!

Hans Mos:

.... This witness has turned himself to Dave Holloway, as we have been told. He has given a new statement and has undergone a lie detector test. According to the summary of the lie detector test results (a full report, as promised to my Office by Tim Miller was never received) the witness was considered to be reliable. This Office never questioned the reliability of what the witness claimed to have seen. Yet, the value of his statement in the reconstruction of facts of that night is very limited. With his sole statement this case could never be solved.

http://gretawire.foxnews.com/2009/01/06/aruba-prosecutor-5-page-letter-dont-miss-the-part-where-he-trashes-fox-and-menever-dull/

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4344.840


Tim Miller

Natalee Holloway Investigation: Exclusive … Tim Miller of Texas EquuSearch in Aruba to meet With ALE/Prosecutor … New Witness That Puts Joran & Paulus Van der Sloot Near Ponds on 5/30/05

Posted September 10, 2008 by Scared Monkeys

We just recieved a call from Tim Miller of Texas Equusearch. Tim is presently in Aruba and planning to meet with the Aruban prosecutor and the ALE. It appears that there is a new witness that has come forward that has placed Joran Van der Sloot in wet and muddy clothing out at 4:00am on 5/30/05. The 48 year old Aruban witness also places Paulus Van der Sloot at the scene picking up Joran in a red jeep.

Why is this witness potentially credible? The Aruban passed two polygraph tests in Houston, TX on August 5, 2008. The tests were performed by John Swartz of John Swartz & Associates, International Polygraph Examiners. The 48 year old Aruba, name withheld for obvious reasons, went to police early on in the investigation; however, was not taken seriously. He is also claimed to have spoke with Hans Mos. Whether an actual police report exists of the witness is unknown.

<snipped>

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2008/09/10/natalee-holloway-investigation-exclusive-tim-miller-of-texas-equusearch-in-aruba-to-meet-with-aleprosecutor-new-witness-that-puts-joran-paulus-van-der-sloot-near-ponds-on-53005/

Still working hard to get it higher....seems stuck at #4 tho... :smt102

Tricia

Looking for something else, came across this. 

http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/v/r/i/Georgina-F-Vrieswijk/GENE2-0005.html


41. SIRBERT HASARZABETH5 BAREÑO (HARIE TEODOMIRO4, FELIPE SANTIAGO3, FELIPE VENANCIO2, FELIPE SANTIAGO1) was born 14 September 1946 in Aruba. She married PETER VAN DER SLOOT.


       Children of SIRBERT BAREÑO and PETER VAN DER SLOOT are:

    i.       FRANK6 VAN DER SLOOT.

    ii.       ROBBERT VAN DER SLOOT.

I don't mean to pile on, but so do I! Well said, Anna!

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=nl&u=http://www.brabantscentrum.nl/oud_archief_2004/nieuws/0427_1986.htm&ei=4JCfTIuWEYOBlAftx_mgDg&sa=X&oi=translate&ct=result&resnum=5&ved=0CCsQ7gEwBA&prev=/search%3Fq%3D%2522Peter%2Bvan%2Bder%2BSloot%2522%252BBoxtel%26hl%3Den%26biw%3D1024%26bih%3D653%26prmd%3Dfd

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More than three months after Deputy Mayor Hans van Brummen (PvdA), the street sign "Southern Highway" under the sand was removed from the starting operation, a jolt went through the Boxtel community. The interest of local residents and Eindhovenseweg Liempdseweg - led by the brothers Peter and Paul van der Sloot - ordered work to stop because the zoning has not been approved by the Crown. Petitions were hastily drawn up by entrepreneurs, school, traffic, trade unions and residents calling for the construction of the road is mostly finish.

I wonder if the "former ambassador" that the Kalpoes called in to help secure their visa
was old man Merriweather?

Perfectly said. All I can add is a hearty AMEN.

hmmmm...could be

I found it interesting that I didn't see a single picture of John Merryweather at his grandson Herbie's recent wedding. 

I don't think his family likes him either.  jmo   ::MonkeyHaHa::

I'm sure he looks older now...
http://www.myspace.com/pmerryweather/photos/23755064
John Merryweather
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Merryweather/JohnMerryweather.jpg)

Herbert (Herbie) and Carolina Merryweather
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Merryweather/CarolinaandHerbieMerryweather.jpg)

Finally know what Herbert Merryweather looks like!   ::MonkeyDance::

Herbert and Francine Merryweather
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Merryweather/Herbert_FrancineMerryweather.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Merryweather/HerbertMerryweather.jpg)

(http://scaredmonkeys.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/deepak_satish_joran-300x246.gif)


VAN SUSTEREN: " you're going to get the Kalpoe brothers under oath at a deposition and ask them lots of questions, so maybe you'll get information then."
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,276715,00.html




August 23- 25 2010 - KALPOE DEPOSITIONS


approx 20 days later -

 

September 16, 2010 - Beth in Peru with Peter deVries, visits Joran at Castro Castro prison.

Agree.

Again, looking for something else...came across this.

http://www.arubachamber.com/registry/registry_result.afp?KeyValue=34198

 Close · Aruba, September 26th, 2010

Only valid if accordingly signed by the Aruba Chamber of Commerce & Industry - J.E. Irausquin Blvd. 10, Oranjestad, Aruba.

Appearing in the Trade Register of the Chamber of Commerce and Industry in ARUBA since 16 MARCH 2005 under serial number 33144.0 is the company with the tradename:

 
JEM INDUSTRIAL SERVICES N.V.
 
Business address   SASAKIWEG Z/N, ORANJESTAD WEST
Legal form   LIMITED LIABILITY COMPANY
Name of the company   JEM INDUSTRIAL SERVICES N.V.
Statutory seat   ARUBA
Date of incorporation   14 MARCH 2005
    
Authorized capital   ARUBAN FLORINS 50,000.00
Issued capital   ARUBAN FLORINS 10,000.00
Paid up capital   ARUBAN FLORINS 10,000.00
Fiscal year   01 JANUARY thru 31 DECEMBER
NOT IN POSSESION OF A BUSINESS ESTABLISHMENT LICENCE
 
DIRECTORS - AUTHORIZED PERSONS AND CORPORATE BODIES - SUPERVISORY BOARD:

MANSUR, JOSSY ELIE;
Born in   VENEZUELA, PUERTO CABELLO on 22 JUNE 1962
Nationality   DUTCH
Position   MANAGING DIRECTOR
Effective   14 MARCH 2005
Authority   FULL
 
OBJECTIVE (S) OF THE COMPANY

1. A. TO SERVICE AND ALL KINDS OF SERVICES FOR REFINERIES, OIL, CONDENSATE & gas INDUSTRIES AND MINERAL INDUSTRIES FOR THE PROCESSING OF ANY PRODUCT OR ANY PRODUCT AND OF THE SURFACE AND THE ESTABLISHMENT AND OPERATION OF LIKE OR ALLIED INDUSTRIES;
B. TRADE, INCLUDING THE GREAT, SMALL, IMPORT AND EXPORT, AGENT HOURS AND COMMISSION TRADE IN ALL TYPES OF CHEMICALS AND OIL PRODUCTS. Condensates, GAS, MATERIALS, MINERALS AND THEIR DERIVATIVES;
C. STORING, PROCESSING AND TRANSPORT OF OIL AND CHEMICAL, condensates, GAS, MATERIALS, MINERALS AND THEIR DERIVATIVES;
D. PROVIDE THE CONSTRUCTION WORK OF ALL KINDS, MAINTENANCE, REPAIR WORK, EXERCISE AND WORKING AND THE MAINTENANCE OF REFINERIES, OIL AND CONDENSATE & gas INDUSTRIES FOR PROCESSING OF ALL TYPES OF MINERAL PRODUCTS;
2. A. THE ACTION AS CONSTRUCTION AND PROJECT LEADER IN GENERAL, IN PARTICULAR OF INDUSTRIAL, COMMERCIAL and residential;
B. DESIGNING, MAKING DISHES, MAINTAIN, RENOVATE ---, MAINTENANCE, PAINTING AND DISMANTLING RENOVATE, CONDUCT, AND TO CARRY OUT COMMERCIAL and residential;
C. THE DIRECT OR INDIRECT INVESTMENT OF FUNDS IN REAL ESTATE AND ITS DUTIES, THE
ACQUISITION, POSSESSION, rent, lease, rent, lease, FRAGMENTATION, drainage, DEVELOPMENT,
IMPROVE WORKING, CONSTRUCTION, SELL OR OTHERWISE DISPOSE, mortgage or otherwise encumber real estate and - Establishment of infrastructure works including roads, PIPES AND SIMILAR ARTICLES OF REAL PROPERTY;
D. PROVIDE THE BROKER TO THE FULLEST SENSE;
E. TRADE IN CONSTRUCTION MATERIALS AND machineries, ESPECIALLY WHEN REQUIRED MATERIALS AND machineries DEVELOPING LAND AND CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS;
F. THE RENT, RENT, LEASE AND MACHINERY IN ACTION, LIGHT AND HEAVY EQUIPMENT, VEHICLES, CONSTRUCTION EQUIPMENT, MILLS, ENGINES, GENERATORS AND ALL OTHER HEAVY AND LIGHT CONSTRUCTION PLANT AND CARRYING OUT THEIR REPAIRS;
G. THE MARKETING OF PROPERTY AND TO GIVE ADVICE ON REAL PROPERTY TRANSACTIONS;
H. TRADE - INCLUDING THE SMALL, GREAT, IMPORT AND EXPORT, TRANSIT, AGENT HOURS AND COMMISSION TRADE - IN ALL TYPES OF REFRIGERATION TECHNICAL EQUIPMENT, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED AIR CONDITIONER, REFRIGERATOR AND FREEZER MODELS, WATER COOLING MACHINE HOURS, RESTAURANT EQUIPMENT, AIR PRINTING MACHINERY, HOOD, ELECTRICAL MATERIALS AND MECHANIC ARTS AND DESIGN, AND LAYING AND ANCHORING TO THE - TECHNICAL ADVICE ON COOLING AND ELECTRICAL INSTALLATIONS;
3. A. THE GRANTING OF ADMINISTRATIVE AND ACCOUNTING SERVICES AND THE COMPANY GIVING ECONOMIC AND TAX ADVICE;
B. MANAGING ASSETS AND CAPABILITIES;
C. KEEPING THE MONITORING AND REPRESENT THE INTERESTS OF THIRD PARTIES ON FINANCE, ECONOMIC, TECHNICAL AND ADMINISTRATIVE TAX MATTERS;
D. THE PROVISION OF SERVICES AND SERVICES IN GENERAL AND IN PARTICULAR THE PROVISION OF SERVICES TO INDIVIDUALS AND COMPANIES ESTABLISHED IN ARUBA IN APPLICATIONS FOR WORK AND RESIDENCE PERMITS;
4. A. ON YOUR OWN NAME AND FOR THE OWN REKENINGUITOEFENEN Establishment in the broadest sense of the word;
B. OWN NAME AND ON THEIR OWN ACCOUNT OF ONE OR MORE OPERATING CAFÉ-RESTAURANTS AND / OR FAST FOOD PLACES;
C. THE PREPARATION AND DELIVERY OF FOOD SALES - AND THE SALE OF BEVERAGES, AND THEN TAKES NON-ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES IN GENERAL OFF - EXERCISE of a "catering company";
D. THE ABOVE LISTED IN PARAGRAPH 4 TO THE EXTENT REQUIRED WILL BE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE TERMS OF THE LICENCE REGULATION
5. THE PROVISION OF SERVICES IN THE FIELD OF SECURITY AND SURVEILLANCE BY THE DELIVERY OF Guard BOTH POST AND IN A SURVEILLANCE PLAN, PROVIDE DOOR SERVICES, THE PROVISION OF SUPPORT FOR HEAVY AND VALUABLE TRANSPORT ON THE ROADS, THE SUPPLY OF CLEANING WOMEN FOR DAMAGE SENSITIVE PLACES AND SPACES, THE PROVISION OF SERVICES IN THE FIELD OF MONEY AND VALUABLE GOODS TRANSPORT;
6. The operation of a PARTY, ENTERTAINMENT AND RECREATION CENTRES IN ITS FULLEST EXTENT HOLDING include BUT NOT LIMITED FAIRGROUND, SHOOTING RANGE, racecourses, ice skating, SLIDES, boating lakes, playgrounds and GARDENS, NIGHT CLUBS, PARTY ROOMS, COCKTAIL LOUNGE, MEETING PLACES, MUSIC ROOMS ROOMS, bumper cars and OTHER MECHANICAL DRIVEN MOVING OBJECTS FOR ENTERTAINMENT AS TURNING MILLS AND MISCELLANEOUS MOVING CREATURES;
7. THE PROVISION OF GUARANTEE AND OTHER WARRANTIES AND TRANSFER OF OWNERSHIP OR PROPERTY OR IN FIDUCIAIRE TRUST or mortgaging, pawn or otherwise OF FUNDS, AND ANY OTHER SECURITY FOR THE PAYMENT OF THE DEBTS OF THE COMPANY AND THE LIABILITIES OF THIRD PARTIES , WHETHER OR NOT TO CONTRAPRESTATIE;
8. INVESTING THE ASSETS OF ITS SECURITIES AS PART OF SHARES AND OTHER SECURITIES ENTITLEMENT, BONDS AND OTHER INTEREST-BEARING DEBT IN WHAT NAME AND IN ANY FORM WHATSOEVER;
9. THE BENEFIT OF DIRECTORS, OFFICERS, EMPLOYEES AND / OR FORMER EMPLOYEES OF THE COMPANY OR ITS AFFILIATES, AND / OR THEIR SURVIVORS CLOSING: annuity, ANNUITY CONTRACTS AND AGREEMENTS OF PENSION WITH AN INSURER IN POSSESSION OF A AUTHORIZATION REFERRED TO IN ARTICLE 5 OF THE FIRST PARAGRAPH OF THE NATIONAL ORDINANCE REVIEW INSURANCE;
10. BUILDING AND ENSURE FOR PENSION AND BENEFITS TO MAKE THE DIRECTOR OF SHAREHOLDERS OF THE COMPANY OR ITS AFFILIATES, AND THEIR SURVIVORS;
11. THE ACTION AS Finance and mediating in THE CREATION OF FINANCING OF VARIOUS TYPES OF TRANSACTIONS. ,
12. THE COMPANY CAN PROVIDE SUB 11 ACTIVITIES LISTED ONLY IN SUCH A WAY THAT IS NOT AS CREDIT UNDER ARTICLE 1 - 1 OF THE NATIONAL ORDINANCE CREDIT CONTROL SUBSTANCE MAY BE CONSIDERED. ALSO IT IS EXPRESSLY PROHIBITED, UNLESS EXEMPTION OF THE STEPS CLEARLY IN ARTICLE 48 OF THE NATIONAL ORDINANCE TO PROVIDE SUBSTANCE CONTROL CREDIT;
13. PARTICIPATE IN IT, TO GRANT AID OR IN ANY WAY TO CARE, OR THE EXPORT ADMINISTRATION ON THE REPRESENTATION OR REPRESENT OTHER COMPANIES, COMPANIES AND LEGAL PERSONS, REGARDLESS OF THE PURPOSE DEFINITIONS
14. THE PERFORMANCE OF ALL DUTIES AND ALL ACTIONS WHICH THE FOREGOING THE MAXIMUM SENTENCE CONNECTED, RESULTING or conducive MAY.


http://www.corporationwiki.com/Florida/Miami/mansur-jossy-elie-7438845.aspx

http://www.corporationwiki.com/Florida/Miami/jemex-corporation-3281803.aspx

This may not be related, but the name of the company is the same:
 (States that it is a woman owned business)

http://www.manta.com/c/mmlsj42/jem-industrial-services-inc

Maureen Jabaley
President

http://www.governmentcontractswon.com/department/defense/jem_industrial_services_inc_141415039.asp?yr=04
 

I agree Kat_gram!   ::MonkeyCool::

The Remaining Targets?

Debbie (BFN)
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
« Reply #598 on: June 18, 2009, 11:29:24 PM »»

Okay... there was/is no conspiracy with the Persistence.  Louis, John, Tim and Dave are trying to get the funds to complete the search on the targets.... they are working together.. 
 
Slam me, bash me, I don't care, but it is the truth.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5127.msg845027;topicseen#msg845027


No Relevance

Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words

oceanexploration:  Several hours of footage were of other (ROV) dives on other targets. None were of any relevance. Most targets were of peculiar coral pinnacles, man-made debris, and ship wrecks. (03/03/08)

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2668.msg360047;topicseen#msg360047

Kyle Kingman: The logs are in a safe somewhere. John and Ryan Poff (one of John's project managers) knows where it is. I can't get copies of the logs at this time. Perhaps in a few months. The target locations are in the safe, although I also have them in a safe spot.  I don't care about the other targets though. I don't think any of it is of any potential interest. Mainly junk, coral, and debris. (06/28/08)

Kermit - Scared Monkeys

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

It's just Anita in her perpetual state of confusion. Instead of rolling up her hair at night, I'm sure she rolls up those ta-tas. I don't know what she does to her hair; stick her finger in a light socket?

Anita Hugen Huge-one needs to get those mammary glands strapped back into place with a good minimizer/support bra.  She knows about the existence of brassiere's, since she showed us and the world the one she was wearing under the infamous brown see-thru blouse she wore before. ::MonkeyDevil::

You mean this one, Muffy??

(Not my fault, Muffy brought it up!)     ::MonkeyTease::

 ::MonkeyDevil2::

I can't get over how much Carolina and Francine look alike, right down to their dress, hair, and earring styles.

 ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyGavel::

She is in mourning.  She lost her husband, her son is in jail after murdering 2 women, extorting the mother of one of his victims, drugs, alcohol, you name it, her other son is in another country, and she is lonely and depressed.  Cantcha tell?

 ::MonkeyWitch1::

Maybe she was so embarrassed that the world saw her bra, she decided to never let it happen again, and threw them all out.

There is nothing wrong with that picture, it looks like she has them strapped down under the belt she is wearing around her waist.

 ::piggy::

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

It's the Aruban system of mourning. We don't understand their systems.   :smt040

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

Oh, I do like that word...corruption...when associated with Aruba. Sounds so ....ugly. Aruba= corruption and Joran VDS.

Mods gone wild!

 ::monkeywine2::

Haha...I think I can see her belly button through that dress...they really are closer to her BB than her shoulders...too funnyyyyyy

Or the owner of the house agreed to let them have it for a period of time. If it were a timeshare, I doubt the person winning the auction could pick their own week.

I want to know how Dilma Arends Geerman knew that Joran was pre-warned about Beth
and Peter coming to Castro Castro.

If it is true that he was pre-warned, who told him?

was the family flores pre-warned?

::MonkeySlide::

Good question, Magnolia! I don't have the answer, but I'd like to know!

I really don't know, Cecilita.  I have read that they were; and again that they weren't until
after Beth and Peter has already been to the jail.

I looked at TES's tax records for 2007, last year filed.
http://www.nonprofit-compensation.com/NPO/index.cfm?FuseAction=NPO.Summary&EIN=760664878&BMF=1&Cobrandid=2&Syndicate=No
Hope I copied that link correctly.
He takes in way less, $ 336,000 in donations for 2007 than I would have guessed. About 50 % goes to search expenses, the other half goes for keeping the lights on. There are no big salaries paid to anyone.
Comparatively to earlier years, they do better each successive year.
....
Back to that dress Anita is wearing, she looks slightly tipsy, wouldn't like to see it walking or moving around in that outfit.

I missed this bit of info.  If it is true someone from Aruba through the Netherlands Embassy in Peru warned him.  Is someone following Beth or do I smell a rat somewhere.

In 2007, he paid himself 60,000.00 That was tax free. About 5,000.00 a month.

It could have been worse.  She could have got up and started dancing to Gloria Gaynors song I will survive.  That would have been a sight to see  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Magnolia, i remember that one friend of Stephany's Flores left a comment of Flores maybe going to Aruba in FB.

I kinda see her dancing to "It's Raining Men."

 ::MonkeyRain::

 ::bananadance::

Why is it tax free?

I remember you mentioning that. 
I was thinking maybe the Dutch reporter who interviewed Joran in Castro Castro had gotten wind
of Peter was going to Peru and warned Joran while he was there???????
I was just curious.

Maybe his salary isn't tax free. ?? When it comes in to TES it is, but when he takes it out and pays himself, he would have to declare it elsewhere, on his personal, which we don't see or on his corp return for his construction business which is another return we don't get to see. 
Like I said, I was surprised at how little cash was donated in 2007. I thought it would be a million or two. Considering how often he is on my TV asking for monies for searches.

It was on Tito's facebook wall that TM posted earlier.

Can you hum a few bars of that? ::MonkeyTongue::

My guess would be that Dilma's just lying again.   ::MonkeyRoll::

But since the visit was done through the proper procedures, I guess maybe a guard could have warned him she was coming.  If so, couldn't he have just refused to see her?  Or if he wanted to see her, wouldn't he have arranged for his lawyer to be there for the conversation?

More than likely Dilma (and her bff Anita) just want everyone to think that somebody one-upped Peter R. DeVries and Beth Holloway. (they can keep on dreamin'...it ain't happenin')  She didn't say how much pre-warning he had, could have simply been five seconds before he was face to face with them.  Just time enough for him (while crapping his pants) to pull his lawyers card that he was using for a book mark in his most recent "novel" out to give them.   ::MonkeyWink::

JMO

I think it was Maximum Highness that said they had to take him out to the visitor's room kicking
and screaming. ::MonkeyDance::

Exactly.   ::MonkeyWink::

He always seems to be kicking when he is upset.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

The lady doth protest too much. And that's all I'm gonna say right now.
 ::monkeywine2::

Hi Spooky!!   ::MonkeyDance::

I would love to have been a fly on the wall whenever it was that Joran realized he was about to sit down across from Beth!

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/international/natalee_face_off_gYxTwPd7wU8tfJZSfkITiN

I love the picture, TM!!

 ::MonkeyCool::

Make that 4 books. Didn't Rob just tell us that TJ is currently writing a book too? Gee, what a coincidence  ::MonkeyRoll::
Oops, I said I wasn't gonna say anything else right now. It's this big fat mouth of mine that has no off button or filter.
But while I'm here lemme just say that blind defense of anyone at this point is disgusting. Like you said Anna, we know what we know, we know what we heard, and we all know the truth. No one can distract us from it. NO ONE

Thanks CBB!   ::MonkeyKiss::

I'm all caught up now!
Love you so much CBB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ::MonkeyAngel::

and you too Texasmom!!!!!  ::MonkeyKiss::

Thanks kat_gram!   ::MonkeyCool::

Professional fundraising fees?  $0 2005, $60,800 2006, $34,500 2007 

Anyone have any idea what those charges would actually be for?

 ::MonkeyHeart::  ::MonkeyKiss::  ::MonkeyHeart::

Paying people to speak at the fundraisers or in their behalf?

I don't think TJ's book has anything to do with Natalee. Or, maybe I should say - it's not a Natalee book.

I think it's about him.

Maybe there will be a reference to what he did in the case. And I think he picked 4 cases that he was involved with but I don't know which they are.

This book has been in the works for a few years - but finally is getting completed.

If I find out any more - I'll letcha all know.  ::MonkeyAngel::

Beer? MMMMmmmmmmmmmmmmm  ::MonkeyAngel::

I was thinking maybe speaker fees too, but you could be right carpe! ::MonkeyDevil::

Could be some of both I guess! 

(http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w214/iliketoN0KTEM/brewskibaby.jpg)


"You've been workin so hard out there, baby. You need to re-hydrate yourself!"


"OMG! So parched. Thank you."

 ::MonkeyDevil::

 O/T I ever saw this one before
My sources tell me that this grand gesture is aimed at Tim Miller, I do not know if that is true. Off Air people tend to say a great deal about Tim Miller, none of which are flattering, On Air, they tend to soften their approach. Miller has a formidable ‘war chest’ plus a huge following, to strike against him would take a great deal of guts.
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/The%20Search/Tim%20Miller/donna-brock.jpg)
I wonder if Donna Brock has the guts?

Good morning Blonde,  That pic of Donna was posted here at Scared Monkeys before.  And right now, Donna Brock is in jail serving 15 years minimum (no time off for good behavior) in a Florida prison on a drug charge so who knows what she would and wouldn't say....  
Link to article about Donna Brock's sentencing:
http://staugustine.com/news/local-news/2010-09-01/woman-haleigh-case-gets-15-years
(snip)
"You made a choice, and it was a bad choice," Berger said. She said under state guidelines she could not sentence Brock to less that 15 years despite Brock's lack of a criminal record, years of volunteer work and testimony of two people who appealed for leniency.

Brock was arrested with Croslin in January days after an undercover officer bought 155 oxycodone pills from the pair at a St. Johns County truck stop."
(snip)

We've held a scholarship fundraiser for the past 12 years in memory of my deceased BIL.  It's a golf outing, then beefsteak dinner at night.  Monies from the account are spent on greens fees, a gift for the golfers & sponsors, door prizes (although many are donated), the fee for the hall and dinner (beer included), and the DJ who plays music during the dinner.   I would venture to say that the amount spent is in the 4 digits not 5...on a much smaller scale.

 ::MonkeyTongue::

(http://www.bucuticam.com/album2/Images/269.zoom3.jpg)

Galations 6:7
Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap

Mark 8:36
What benefit will it be to you if you gain the whole world but lose your own soul?
_______

Tim

Please reflect very carefully in regards to the path you have chosen following the Persistence undertaking.  It is never too late to do right.

Sincerely, Janet

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Heli Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 8:30 pm

Dana Pretzer
July 20, 2006

Tim Miller:  we never received a grant in our life, we've tried to be self sufficient, we get donations, we have fund raisers. We never, ever ask for money from a family member, we've never asked for money from LE, we won't accept money from family members.

Somehow or another, God has always blessed us to keep our doors open, to make it to the next search.  Before we start a search we always start with a prayer... I'm only the founder of TES, God is our leader and that's why we have the success we have.

http://refugeesunleashed.net/about3669.html

It is a beautiful Autumn day in the Fraser Valley of British Columbia.  The color of the leaves are turning.  A brisk walk along the mighty muddy Fraser River with our 16 year old Golden Retriever (Brandi) is where it is at.

I hope Monkeys are all having a good day.  I know Klaas is.

Hi Klaas!

 ::teddybear::

Janet
11:20 AM PT

 :smt045 Enjoy your day too, Janet!   ::MonkeyWink::

(http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/4977/timmillerlisahoffmansil.jpg)
source: Excerpt from: pdf Newsletter from TexasEqqusearch.


Originally Posted by Anakerie
I did a bit of googling.. Lisa Hoffman works for Texas Eqqusearch. I saw quite a few references to her being involved in many searches. Now the Bruce Churchhill guy who "identified" her as Tim's "girlfriend" is a guy who's local to Orlando and was part of the group who tried to form a chapter of Equusearch there in Orlando. He's also mentioned a number of times with reference to Joe Jordon...
Well if he's been mentioned with Joe Jordon, it would figure - it would seem that Tim wasn't thrilled with starting an Orlando chapter, and this Bruce Churchill wasn't too happy about that. So when people aren't happy about something, guess what happens????
http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?p=14358269


Members of the Underwater Search Team:
Texas EquuSearch, Dickinson, TX: Tim Miller, Ralph Baird, John White, Lisa Hoffman
http://www.7-1-3.com/TES/index.htm

I saw that quote by Tim Miller and all I could think of was discernment is a gift.

Enjoy. We are having sunny skies with scattered clouds passing by.

BETH LOOKS BETTER AND BETTER!
best revenge!

I love the GREEN sweater
did our magnolia knit that?

ribbit

BURP! BURP! BUD-WISer!

cuse me.

ribbit

In a nut shell -  The Problem-o




Steph Watts:  I understand...I completely understand.  Here’s my question, and I want to ask you.  Has Beth Holloway ever donated any money towards Texas Equusearch from her organization which I know for a fact from which I understand made millions and millions of dollars in donations.

Tim Miller:  Can everybody just kind of read between the lines, then let’s go to the next subject.

snip


Tim Miller:  I’m gonna say one other thing about our organization.  Even when we are almost penniless broke, we’ll go out there searching for somebody and we find them ...God bless them... they’re... we know this family doesn’t have much money...but they’ll send us a two hundred or a five hundred dollar check.  We return that to them.  You know they’ve already paid their dues.  You know they’ve already paid their dues, they’ve lost a loved one and so we do not expect anything in return uhhh you know we uhhh...



(The family has already paid their dues. Beth, where's my money? Apparently, Tim does expect something.)




URGENT REQUEST FOR DONATIONS

Posted on 05. Sep, 2010 by smckinney in Featured Articles, Get Involved, TES In Action

We have been very extremely busy with searches this year. We recently recovered our 118th victim, and we have brought over 300 people home alive. Requests for our assistance have increased, but our donations are at an all-time low. In today’s economy, it is very difficult for people to pay their own bills, much less donate to charity. Nevertheless, we are in need of immediate cash flow/donations in order to sustain our operations. We want to be able to continue to help families find their loved ones, but it is becoming increasingly difficult with the current state of our funding. If everyone who reads this would donate $1.00, $5.00 or any other amount you can, it will help ensure that we will not have to tell a family we cannot help them because of our finances. Tim Miller made a promise to his daughter, Laura, that he would never leave a family alone. Therefore, we ask you to donate anything you can. Please pass this on to your friends and family. Remember –
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Boiled down for ya. This is why he is all sour grapes.


Natalee Fund - Multiple millions

TES - going for broke soon, so they will be having a Texas Hold 'Em Poker night fundraiser this month. WTF? In honor of Joran??? ::MonkeyDevil::

http://texasequusearch.org/2010/09/texas-equusearch-poker-fundraiser-october-16-2010/


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Thanks to KatGram for that post with the links to the info on his dire financial condition. ::HelloKitty::

If my finances started going down hill like that, I'd be pissy too. Then I would come to my senses.

You catch more flies with honey than vinegar.

Fees could be for telemarketers.
Or peeps that are hired to fund raise, like when they have events and the peeps charge to organize etc the event.
Or purchase of prizes not donated for raffles, etc.
Or what ? Just the usual expenses to do fund raisers.
I believe the bxxr comes out of the man's salary, I would hope.   

Well, I have no idea of how much Beth raised thru donations. If Steph knows this for sure ie about the donations, then perhaps he could post a link. It is all there somewhere and I can't be bothered trying to find it. Because I am not questioning her.
She has to file tax returns like everyone else and it is only the registered charities that we can see. If she makes a living these days by speaking, then that is work and she is entitled to be paid, just like anyone else who belongs to a speakers bureau.

Oh what a difference one month can make.


http://texasequusearch.org/2010/08/message-from-tim-miller-2/
MESSAGE FROM TIM MILLER

Posted on 19. Aug, 2010 by smckinney in Featured Articles, Media, TES News

I would like to personally thank all of the people who have expressed their kind wishes, both to me personally, and on all of the message boards, for the work that Texas EquuSearch does. The support has been overwhelming. We want to be able to continue to help families find their missing loved ones. Again, thank you for the loyalty to our cause of helping families in need. I want justice for Caylee, as well as all of the other people out there who need a voice. We will continue to try and be the voice for missing people.

At times, it may be difficult to focus on the task at hand with all of the distractions, but with the support of everyone, we are able to refocus our efforts for the families.

Please keep all of the missing people, their families and friends in your prayers. Thank you from the bottom of my heart.

Sincerely,

Tim Miller

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http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8625.0

9-20-2010

Tim Miller:  I’m mad too and you know what Steph, I want the Caylee Anthony and Natalee Holloway cases to go away.

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Hi Kermit

It was overcast when we began our walk but ... not cold.  However ... within the hour there was a downpour.  It did cut our outing short but ... thankfully hubby grabbed an umbrella on the way out.  I do believe I will spend the rest of the afternoon stocking up in groceries in a dry supermarket.

Janet
2:30 PM PT

 ::MonkeyAngel::

Kermit

Up until the exposure by you of the Persistence betrayal through Kyle Kingman's own words ... Tim Miller was my hero.  Any nagging doubts ... I justified ... I gave him the benefit of the doubt.

However ... while Monkeys were undermining Kyle for backtracking on his original honorable intentions of exposing the betrayal ... I realized that Kyle Kingman had revealed that Tim Miller was also troubled by the happenings encompassing the trap.  I could not comprehend Tim's silence until it was learned that a professional relationship had developed with John Silvetti.  Then I understood perfectly and ... that understanding filled me with mixed emotions.  There was anger, disappointment and sadness.

I am off.  Ribbit!

 ::HelloKitty::

Janet 

I saw that about the Texas Hold 'em fundraiser and it just made me feel SICK!

IMO, probably would anyone that followed Natalee's case.

Can you just imagine IF Tim Miller had done the right thing and thrown a fit as big as TEXAS when ALE absconded with all the evidence from that cage that the Persistence found?  Maybe if he'd gone on and on about it to every media outlet that would put him on.  If he would have demanded that ALE explain WHY they didn't follow the original plan for the recovery and sharing of the evidence.  If he had proclaimed loud and clear for all the world to hear even six weeks later when ALE reported to him that the REMAINS were male; that he couldn't help but have doubts about that because of the suspicious recovery of those remains THAT LOOKED TO HIM TO HAVE BEEN IN A TRAP WITH NATALEE'S CLOTHES!  Can you just imagine how proud people would have been of Tim Miller for questioning the authorities in Aruba who have lied and covered up this case for over five years?  Maybe it's just me because I know how I would have felt...but something tells me he wouldn't have to be out poor mouthing all over the place now.  Maybe he wouldn't have been so frustrated that he stooped so low as to bash Beth the way he did while Steph Watts begged for donations every other breathe...the ones that he wasn't bashing her too.  Oh and let's not ever forget the praises that Tim was singing about Aruba too!  WTF!  Something tells me Tim wouldn't have needed to be having fundraiser after fundraiser.  Sure the economy is bad, but I think Tim's reputation at this point is worse.  That's why people aren't donating money to his organization. Whether Natalee's case that he has obviously made a deal with the devil in; or other cases where he has overstepped the line big time for what he's there to do...SEARCH.  The people who would have sacrificially given to TES have a bad taste in their mouth, or that's how I feel anyway.  I won't be donating a dime, and I've contacted everyone that I recall ever encouraging to donate to TES and suggested they take a good look at them before sending another dime, that is except the White House; sure do wish I could take that one back...I'm thoroughly embarrassed.

IF Tim had made as big a deal of "what was in that cage" as he did the pond witness...

IF Tim had done the right thing, the publicity would have been awful for Aruba; and who knows...maybe they would have given her back.

And the rest...

God bless the family of Stephany Flores, and any other unknown victims.

JMO

rant over    ::MonkeyCool::

NOTE TO TIM MILLER: 

The amount of money spent on a search amounts to nothing if when you find the victim you give them right back to the enemy.

JMO

texasmom

Good rant, TxMom!! ::MonkeyDance::

I take it you are not too pleased with Tim Miller. 

Neither am I.  ::MonkeyCool::

Rant on Texasmom.   ::MonkeyCheer3:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyCheer2:: :smt041 :smt038 :bounce: ::MonkeyCheer4::

Thanks Magnolia and San....   ::MonkeyKiss::

It had been building... ::pullinghairout::  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Ahhhhhhh 61 degrees in Lima, Peru with 80% humidity.  I bet Joran's prison cell is cold and damp tonight.  It must be hard for the sporter to not have his laptop, cell phone, pot, ability to gamble, etc., etc.  I wonder if he thinks about his father's all too sudden death.  I wonder if he thinks about what he has done to Aruba...... and could put a stop to?  I wonder if Satish and Deepak sleep at night.......... and once they have daughters, will they be able to explain to them what they helped cover up?  This won't go away.  Didn't Kyle name his baby after Natalee?  Years and years, down the line, people will remember Natalee Holloway.  Our family members will remember because of how passionate we are about a young, beautiful American girl who has vanished in Aruba.  I will never give up hope that justice will be served and that someone.............. just one person with balls and integrity.......... will come forward and stop this mother and father's nightmare.  Joran Vandersloot's life is crumbling.  I still have hope that the truth will come out in the wash.  I remember somewhere (in Dave's book maybe?)  it said something about threadsurfers will find the answer.  I believe that.  I believe with all of my heart, that some day, Beth and Dave will have closure.  I will never stop praying for that.  For those of you that read here with answers, shame on you and bad karma forever until the truth be told, IMHO of course.

Hugs to you Texasmom and rant on!  I totally agree.  Thanks for all you do!  Bit by bit, the truth gets exposed!  Joran is stopped.  The world sees what he is.  Thanks for all the updates!

 ::MonkeyAngel:: oopsie on the balls comment...  ::CowboySmiley::

A Higher Degree of Accountability

I am not justifying Kyle's silence but he had only a crash course from the Natalee's Freebirds regarding the corrupt Aruban investigation that had prevented justice from prevailing.  In other words ... Kyle was hesitant to do right when it came to risking his entire career by disregarding the confidentiality agreement and exposing the John Silvetti betrayal.

However ... I hold Tim Miller to a higher degree of accountability than Kyle Kingman when loyalty was compromised in regards to their respective betrayals as well as their respective ongoing professional relationship with John Silvetti.  Tim Miller had over a 2 1/2 years relationship/connection with Beth and Dave.  He knew where it was at from personal experience in regards to the nightmare that Aruba had put Beth and Dave through.  He claimed that Natalee had become like a daughter to him.

Think about it.  Exposing the betrayal would have made Tim a hero.  However ... he sold out for financial gain.

Janet

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A NEW DIRECTION

'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' for December 9
updated 12/12/2005 1:25:40 PM ET

TIM MILLER, TEXAS EQUUSEARCH:  .... I told Beth before in Aruba and I don‘t know if she remembers it I said, you know, I started Equusearch in memory of my daughter, Laura, and we‘ve done a tremendous job.  But you know what?  Natalee has taken it to a new direction on how we‘re going to look for missing loved ones.
 
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10439299/


NATALEE IS MY DAUGHTER NOW

CNN LARRY KING LIVE
Natalee Holloway Still Missing After 31 Days; Inspiring Stories
Aired June 29, 2005 - 21:00   ET

TIM MILLER, DIRECTOR, TEXAS EQUUSEARCH:  We've taken this case so serious and we've loved this family so very, very much and they became our -- they're our family. Natalee is my daughter now.

http://archives.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0506/29/lkl.01.html


A PLACE TO PUT FLOWERS

CNN LARRY KING LIVE
Natalee Holloway Still Missing After 31 Days; Inspiring Stories
Aired June 29, 2005 - 21:00   ET

TIM MILLER: I went through the same thing, and it wasn't any better where I was from. They said Laura was a runaway. I did everything I knew how to do, but I was paralyzed at that time. There weren't any search teams. There wasn't any support from law enforcement. And unfortunately, 17 months later, you know, the remains of Laura and another girl that's still unidentified were found 60 feet from each other and only a couple of miles from our house.

And the grieving process, of course, was painful. I was the fortunate one, I got Laura back. I've got a place to put flowers to and I have been truly blessed. And Laura's picture is my office and it's behind me. I feel as though that Laura's death wasn't in vain by no means. It wasn't in vain and ...

http://archives.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0506/29/lkl.01.html

 ::rhino::

Thanks Sharon/Tx!    ::CowboySmiley::

http://www.24ora.com/gallery.html?func=viewcategory&catid=145#category


LatinNight @ConfessionNighClub 24sept'10

(http://www.24ora.com/index.php?option=com_joomgallery&func=watermark&catid=145&id=14480&Itemid=63)

(http://www.24ora.com/index.php?option=com_joomgallery&func=watermark&catid=145&id=14477&Itemid=63)

Almost one year following the Persistence betrayal ... Kermit exposed Kyle Kingman's own words which had been submitted to the Natalee's Freebirds' forum.  Kyle was furious.  He had backtracked on his original honorable intentions to openly reveal the truth encompassing the trap.  He thought the backtracking implied his words would never leave the Natalee's Freebird forum.  He thought that his career would be spared  He thought his professional relationship with John Silvetti would be ongoing. Well ... he thought wrong.

The Natalee's Freebirds were all about justice for Natalee and exposing the corruption that had prevented justice from prevailing for an 18 year old American citizen.

It is hard to comprehend that Kyle believe that this group was going to sit on this crucial info regarding the further of the Aruban cover up agenda or ... was he praying for almost one year that they would?

Janet

+++++


Damage is Incalculable!

Kermit
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #786 12/17/08 -
« Reply #540 on: December 19, 2008, 06:15:18 PM »

Kyle sent me this today

Kermit,

.... The information you have been spreading is not only inaccurate and a violation of a non-disclosure, it is slanderous and spreading misinformation. The damage it has done to my professional relationship with J. Silvetti is incalculable which has a direct effect on my ability to provide for my family, which includes my daughter named after Natalee ....

Sincerely,
 Kyle

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4246.msg592482;topicseen#msg592482


Relationship Destroyed!

ldstlou
Re: The Cage « Reply #157 on: March 19, 2009, 12:25:09 pm »

The last posts are taken from the e-mail that Kyle sent to Jug and I in December ... 

Some exerts:

Quote:
I had questions which were very unsettling about what I had observed during the search including the events surrounding the trap inspection by the Aruban divers and how the samples were handled by ALE - solely Richardson. This made me very uneasy. It was unsettling and I had no one to talk about it with. The Freebird forum was a place where I could safely discuss the unsettling aspects of the search and see if there were any connections. I only did so after the group agreed that nothing would leave the forum. I never wished for any of it to leave the forum.

Quote:
I didn't threaten any of them. I said that I personally didn't want to get sued for breaking a confidentiality agreement with information ending up on the Internet. Them pushing it all out put me at risk legally and jeopardized my relationship with John (which is now destroyed over this).  Also, this information did not belong posted on the Internet in the first place. It was a huge naive misjudgement on my part to trust this group enough to share it in confidence.

http://goldmonkey.org/index.php?topic=980.msg12191#msg12191


No Intentions of Spewing

Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words

Kyle Kingman:  My intentions here at this forum weren't to just spew out all that I know. My intentions were to get a few trusted close people informed, armed, and organized. Then, once organized get a hold of Beth and present things in a controlled private and safe manner. THEN come up with a plan to procede that is well thought-out.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8341.840

Picture of health if multiple chins are in fashion.    ::MonkeyHaHa::

Thanks, TM.    ::MonkeyKiss::

(http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff15/sueann37/thumb_smiley-vault-signs-067.jpg)

Anna, I hope you don't mind me using your quote in my signiture line. I so agree with it.

signature--should have used spell check.

Well, my spelling is always perfect!   ::MonkeyHaHa::

Always knew you were perfect, Magnolia!

 ::MonkeyWink::

 ::monkeywine2::

I can't spell worth a flip and I admit it...then I get in a hurry and forget to spell check.

So, I am very forgiving of others' spelling.  I am not at all like Debbie, thank goodness! ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

I will never forget the last sucker punch to the gut, either. The guys had the balls to play the emotion strings of tons of people ... using finding Natalee and her justice... as a tool...

We need such and such amount of money for x amount of days to keep going.

....and days later... skated out of there like thieves in the night!

Oops! Talked to Hans Mos... luv ya, gotta run. P.S. Thanks for your donations.

I knew it stank like rotted tuna ... back then.

It seems even worse today!

If what I think happened - truly did happen.

I hope these men burn in hell for eternity. They earned it. No pity.

 :smt038

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Beth_Sept2010_NyPost.jpg)


Wubs ya, Beth!

Just keep on doing what you believe to be right.

This case was so full of tin men, cowards, and scoundrels.

Let them continue to self-destruct and fall.

...and you keep on going!


The question was simple...

It's as clear today as it was on day #1.

WHERE'S MY DAUGHTER?

Not long after the revelation of Kyle Kingman's own words by Kermit ... Natalee Holloway's uncle had it all figured out.  If the Aruban divers were afforded unchallenged possession of the contents of the cage ... the expense to underwrite the Persistence search ... whether corporate or private donations ... as well as the entire venture ... was all for naught.

There had to be another purpose that the mapping of the ocean floor was taking place ... another reason that had nothing to do with justice for Natalee Holloway ... another reason that had nothing to do with closure for her parents.

Janet

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A LARGE CRAB!

private eye
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #708 12/28
« Reply #897 on: December 30, 2007, 06:30:32 PM » 

They will have dateline onboard and I understand that they were involved in the Titantic so I assume they have the expertise to preserve any remains or artifacts and have a protocol. They can always find and locate it, call for assistance and then retrieve it. But that is my fear that they imediately turn it over to Aruba where her remains can become that of a large crab.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2481.880


BUT SURELY I'M WRONG!

private eye
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #737 2/29 -
« Reply #559 on: March 01, 2008, 04:08:07 PM »

I hope that the Persistence has not done all of this work and gone to all of this expense only to have gotten itself into an arrangement whereby Aruban divers are the ones who actually verify the targets and are the first ones to physically retrieve evidence, with no American divers physically with them. If so, all I can say is I just can't believe this has happened. But surely I am wrong.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2662.msg358435#msg358435


A WASTE OF TIME AND EFFORT

private eye
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #746 4/4
« Reply #499 on: April 09, 2008, 12:39:50 AM »

If I understood Kyle correctly, and that would be that the Arubans retrieved and possessed all finds, not sharing anything with the crew, then that effort was a waste of time and effort. The only thing it could have accomplished was to locate additional evidence for the Arubans to destroy. I am not sure if that was the protocol out of Aruba's waters though. The effort was superb, but the game was fixed.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2769.msg372245;topicseen#msg372245

 :thumright:

 :smt023 :smt023

That's a two thumbs up if I ever read one!

And it didn't stop there either!   ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyMad::

http://blogsfornatalee.com/forum/

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Persistence/BFN_04032008_0082.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Persistence/BFN_04032008_Amilliondollars.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Persistence/BFN_Gloria04042008_RERossPerot.jpg)

 ::MonkeyCool::

I love that picture of Beth. Texasmom, I am so glad you have those screen shots.

Beth was on to their scam even way back then.  She wasn't going to call Ross Perot to donate to

Silvetti and crew's shady dealings.  Others just weren't as smart as Beth. 

 ::MonkeyCool::

I agree.  And even IF she did call him and told him the whole story, I would imagine he has ways of finding out all he needed to know.

 ::MonkeyWink::

JMO

Even I, figured out that Silvetti and Sheaffer were less than honorable, while the Persistence was

on it's way to Aruba.  All that had to be done was check the SEC filings.  I am sure Ross Perot already

knew of their dubious dealings.

Maybe Beth Holloway had made the decision that upholding an organization whose founder ... a man who had remained silent for two years regarding the furthering of the Aruban cover up agenda that had prevented justice from prevailing for her daughter ... was not going to happen.  However ... Beth took the high road and ... for the time being ... said nothing.

Tick Tock

Janet

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WATT'S UP WITH THIS? STEPH WATTS & TIM MILLER 9/19/2010

Steph Watts:  ... Has Beth Holloway ever donated any money towards Texas Equusearch from her organization which I know for a fact from which I understand made millions and millions of dollars in donations.

Tim Miller:  Can everybody just kind of read between the lines, then let’s go to the next subject.  I can say this.  Beth was supposed to come to one of our fundraisers this year.  She was supposed to come to one earlier in the year and then at the last minute had to back out and that was o.k.  And we had... you know she never travels alone...you know we had two airline tickets ummm that of course we lost.  And she was supposed to come to our other one that we had in April and the day before the Fundraiser she canceled and it was advertised all over that Beth was gonna be here.  And I’ve never forget what Beth said...she said well Tim I didn’t realize I was supposed to speak.  And I said Beth it’s not gonna be your (?) speech that you normally do on the dangers of traveling abroad, they’ve got you penciled in for four minutes just to say you know how much you appreciated Equusearch and what they did you know to try to find your daughter.  And she said well you know I get paid for speaking and it was like alright...so anyhow she wasn’t there uhh at that fundraiser so anyhow and you know I wish we wouldn’t of touched on that subject but the truth is the truth.

Transcript - Texasmom

Audio:
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/watts-up-with-this/2010/09/20/watts-up-with-this#endframe

Thanks, I love that picture too SuzieQ. 

I'm sure Debbie hates it so much that she didn't have a screen shot detector, you know with her being so paranoid and all.  If it's really just "Blogs FOR NATALEE"  why all the paranoia?

I don't know if you were here when I told about her pm to me about choosing the "print thread" option one time. 

I have screen shots of that entire thread too.  And everything I have is backed up many, many times.   ::MonkeyJnBox::

Hi Klaas

 ::teddybear::

Janet

I am gonna just sit here and rip him a new one all week! ::MonkeyBike::

I just can't believe he turned out to be such a flaming dink-a-saurus.


http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8625.0

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Steph Watts:  I agree, and everybody... I don’t know if people know this about you Tim and I’m going to reveal a little secret about you that I learned and you never talk about.  You turned down... correct me if I’m wrong on this... millions of dollars in a lawsuit from the police department in exchange for getting your daughters...

Tim Miller:  Sixteen million dollars...uhhhhh You know what...I just want...because the law enforcement uhh lied to me, they kept my daughters remains for three and a half years.  I finally got to bury her seven years after that.  I finally had the courage to go to the medical examiner’s office and umm get her autopsy reports ... and I buried her in 1989 in November... her body was found of course in February 1986 which was three more years of hell that we couldn’t bury her.  Seven years later I go to the medical examiner’s office, I get her autopsy reports in May of 1992, a League City police officer or League City detective goes to the medical examiner’s office, gets all of Laura’s remains from her shoulders to her hips and sends off to some college for research.  And then two years later they go get some more body parts.  So anyhow... uhhh I finally had to get an attorney involved, we exhumed Laura’s body, there were only twenty eight bones there, filed a lawsuit...uhhh we won.  We went...of course there was going to be appealment and I told my attorney I said listen you know what talk to their attorneys.  You know Lee Hamil who’s my attorney I said you know we did not get in this for the money, you tell them to give me the rest of Laura’s remains with the remains that I’ve got and I will walk away from this quietly. They agreed on that of course and then we turned the remains I had and the remains they had to the University of North Texas to Doctor Gilking and I said it’s finally going to be over.  Within a week later my attorney calls me and says Tim we’ve got a new problem.  I said Lee how can we have a new problem? He said now Laura has thirty one ribs and a human body only has twenty four.  Now I’ve been through that ringer...I’ve been through that ringer, I’ve turned down money.  And you know what Steph, I also turned down money on a reality show that they wanted to do with Equusearch and it (?) big money.  Said you know what we cannot really do a reality show.  You’re not gonna turn us into Dog the Bounty Hunter and we’ve got the (protective) these families.  Law enforcement is not gonna work with us the way they work with us when there’s cameras there.  And you know what we can’t do the same stuff that we’ve been doing, and that’s going to interfere with the way we search.  You know what, we turned it down...turned it down.

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Hey Tim - I bet you Beth would do the same thing if she were finally given Natalee's remains.

You only had to wait 3 1/2 years.

Beth is at 5 1/2.

I am sorry you have a giant hummer for the Arubans

because they wuz real nice to you and alls.

They fed you for free and gave you free MOTEL ROOMS!

Golly wiz, Paw - That really touched my heart. ::MonkeyNoNo::

Okay, I guess Beth can just forget about that whole murdering her daughter and throwing her body away thing - which you refer to as A MISTAKE.

Do you even hear yourself in your head when you speak?

I mean, it is just ridiculous.

 :smt045

Carpe

Tim was so H--- bent on bashing Beth ... he was not considering the implication of his words.  Why was Tim so angry at Beth ... at Natalee?  Is there something about to happen that is going to reveal to the world his participation in the John Silvetti's betrayal ... the John Silvetti's betrayal which was exposed by Kyle Kingman's own words?

Janet
 

Natalee Holloway's Mother

"We cannot forget to demand and expect to have Natalee. Natalee deserves to return to her country. She deserves it, and everyone knows it, every single person. Every single person knows that. They know it."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8485029/


Natalee Holloway's Stepfather

"Beth and I have been through this emotional roller coaster. And all we want is Natalee, whether she's alive or dead.  We want to bring her back to the United States, and they can do whatever they want to do."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8551824/

Free beer/drinks too, I have no doubt.  I mean really if they're trying to win the guy over...it wouldn't have taken long for anybody to figure that out.

 ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyMad::

Rip him a new one all you want, he's so deserving!   ::MonkeyDance::

 ::MonkeyKiss::

 ::monkeyscissors::  .... RIPPIN' AWAY!


Steph Watts Interview: 9/20/2010
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8625.0


All in the same interview - separated by only minutes.

tim miller:

We did absolutely no media stuff on it uhhh and I think we did it uhhh only for the best interest of Natalee.

*see Tim Miller live on - Jane Valez Mitchell show HLN

June 8th and 9th, 2010

tim miller:

Media found out we was there but you know what Steph, we stayed in a house...they could not find us in any motels.


tim miller:

anybody can say what they want about Aruba but you know what...they gave us free motel rooms, they gave us free meals, they did everything to accommodate us...to help us out when we was doing the search for Natalee.

14 MONTHS LATER

6/17/09 Tim Miller on Dana Pretzer

"We don't have ten cents secured for Natalee Holloway case to go back to Aruba yet, that's one of those things that Louis Schaefer if working on"

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Persistence/th_TimMillerPretzer61709NH.jpg) (http://s21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Persistence/?action=view&current=TimMillerPretzer61709NH.flv)

REALLY?   ::MonkeyNoNo::

I hope one day the recording that the reporter in Birmingham has comes to light. 

Magnolia's friend heard him say it on the air.

So where's the money?

Even if he didn't have the million, what happened to the donations they received earmarked for the Natalee Holloway search right before they hightailed it out of Aruba?  I know I alone, donated a lot more than ten cents.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Okay - so the last one was a throw back probably to the 2005 search for Natalee.


The rest is still nuts. He is starting to sound like Joran!

HT Klaas on the video I just posted.   ::MonkeyCool::

2/14/10 Tim Miller on Steph Watts show

HT Klaas

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Persistence/th_TimMillerStephWatts21410TRAP.jpg) (http://s21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Persistence/?action=view&current=TimMillerStephWatts21410TRAP.flv)

Tim is a media whore, it is the only way he can get funds for TES. He's always on prompting for donations. Who is kidding whom, here?

He is plugging for donations through Steph in the interview...

...and he is going to give Beth a hard time about the Natalee fund?

The man's a lunatic. ::HelloKitty::

Thanks, texasmom. Hadn't seen/heard that one before.

Tim: 6 weeks later the DNA came back as male. So, is it Natalee in the fish trap? I don't know. It certainly looked like Natalee's clothes.

Unbelieveable, this crap has gone on for as long as it has.

Sorry I don’t have anything meaningful to contribute to the discussion, but I did find this silliness --

CNN has an article online about Last Meal Requests. The article is kind of lame, but here’s one of the comments:


http://eatocracy.cnn.com/2010/09/27/last-orders-death-row-menu-requests/?hpt=C2 (http://eatocracy.cnn.com/2010/09/27/last-orders-death-row-menu-requests/?hpt=C2)

I hope they don't send Tim and the Pirates back... because tish in / tish out, as they say.


I hope Beth one day has enough money in the fund to buy a real search... by real oceanic scientists... that have a college diploma and everything!

...and preferably do not use the word WUZ in a sentence.

Also, I hope they don't use a run of the mill ROV... like these money scamming douche nozzles had.

What they need is a Hybrid Remotely Operated Vehicle, or HROV like Nereus.

http://www.whoi.edu/oceanus/viewArticle.do?id=14107

A vehicle that switches modes
Nereus (rhymes with “serious”) keeps with a tradition in the WHOI Deep Submergence Laboratory of naming vehicles for mythical Greek figures. Among others in the WHOI-operated fleet of vehicles are Jason (a fabled adventurer and ocean explorer), Argo (a ship used by Jason), and Medea (the mythical wife of Jason).

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Good to see you, Ms. Marple!!!

Even though I don't mention it much, Dave has been in my thoughts and prayers.  I hope he is well on the road to recovery from his recent illness.  And while I pray for his health, I also pray that God will give him the strength and wisdom to see who his real friends are in all of this....

And that one day...Natalee will come home.

He backtracked on another show a while after this one... I'll have to look for it tomorrow.  Not sure if Klaas did a video of that one or not.  But I'm sure we have it documented here somewhere.

Nite Carpe!    ::MonkeyCool::

Here! Here! He's a good man... who still deserves some answers.

Nite texasmom! ::MonkeyAngel::

 :smt045 :smt045

Good morning Sis!

Hope you have a great day!   ::MonkeyKiss::


And hopefully today, we will be one day closer to Justice for Natalee and Stephany!
 ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyJustice:: ::MonkeyGavel::

We Stayed in a House!  Who are "They"?

WATT'S UP WITH THIS? STEPH WATTS & TIM MILLER 9/19/2010

Tim Miller:  ... let’s go back to the map.  Remember when we went to Aruba, we did not let anybody know that we were going uhhh because we went to go ahead and look at that area just to see if by chance maybe this time Joran van der Sloot was telling the truth, and possibly it was Natalee at this spot.  Media found out we was there but you know what Steph, we stayed in a house...they could not find us in any motels.  We did absolutely no media stuff on it uhhh and I think we did it uhhh only for the best interest of Natalee.

Transcript - Texasmom

Audio:
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/watts-up-with-this/2010/09/20/watts-up-with-this#endframe

Hi Private Eye

 ::HelloKitty::

Janet

Tim Miller - I Will Walk Away Quietly!

WATT'S UP WITH THIS? STEPH WATTS & TIM MILLER 9/19/2010

Tim Miller:  I finally had to get an attorney involved, we exhumed Laura’s body, there were only twenty eight bones there, filed a lawsuit...uhhh we won.  We went...of course there was going to be appealment and I told my attorney I said listen you know what talk to their attorneys.  You know Lee Hamil who’s my attorney I said you know we did not get in this for the money, you tell them to give me the rest of Laura’s remains with the remains that I’ve got and I will walk away from this quietly.

Transcript - Texasmom

Audio:
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/watts-up-with-this/2010/09/20/watts-up-with-this#endframe


Jug Twitty - They Can Do Whatever They Want To Do

"Beth and I have been through this emotional roller coaster. And all we want is Natalee, whether she's alive or dead.  We want to bring her back to the United States, and they can do whatever they want to do."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8551824/

The Media

WATT'S UP WITH THIS? STEPH WATTS & TIM MILLER 9/19/2010

Tim Miller:  And so for Beth to go over there...it’s one thing if she goes with herself and somebody else (?)  When you’re going over there and you’re taking cameras, now the reports are it’s gonna be about another documentary.  Ummm unfortunately (crosstalk) there is gonna be money involved and stuff and I..I..I..just have to totally disagree with her choice.  Totally disagree.

Transcript - Texasmom

Audio:
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/watts-up-with-this/2010/09/20/watts-up-with-this#endframe


WATT'S UP WITH THIS? STEPH WATTS & TIM MILLER 9/19/2010

Tim Miller:  I would like to say I believe this is in Natalee’s best interest... and I would believe that if she wouldn’t have went over there with film crews and reports are already out it’s about another documentary.  Money’s going to be paid.  I ... I (crosstalk) It is almost like exploiting...and I know I’m going to get criticism over this but it’s only my opinion and uhhh uhhh it’s almost like... I feel like she’s exploiting Natalee’s disappearance and death for financial gain.

Transcript - Texasmom

Audio:
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/watts-up-with-this/2010/09/20/watts-up-with-this#endframe


WATT'S UP WITH THIS? STEPH WATTS & TIM MILLER 9/19/2010

Tim Miller:  ... let’s go back to the map.  Remember when we went to Aruba, we did not let anybody know that we were going uhhh because we went to go ahead and look at that area just to see if by chance maybe this time Joran van der Sloot was telling the truth, and possibly it was Natalee at this spot.  Media found out we was there but you know what Steph, we stayed in a house...they could not find us in any motels.  We did absolutely no media stuff on it uhhh and I think we did it uhhh only for the best interest of Natalee.

Transcript - Texasmom

Audio:
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/watts-up-with-this/2010/09/20/watts-up-with-this#endframe


A Double Standard

Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words

Kyle Kingman:  Dateline (Tim Uelinger) had an agreement with Tim Miller to 'do a story to tell about and help promote TES and give TM recognition, and perhaps a 10 minute side-line story on Natalee along with 11 other missing persons. Dateline tagged along with TM for a while pre-NH search. They (TM and Dateline) came on the Persistence between 15-Dec and 30-Dec.

Kermit - Scared Monkeys

Hello everyone. I am still amazed at the support Dave and Beth has received from the world, and this particular group is a shining example of that support. That is to take nothing from the other sites, it is simply a reflection of my lack of knowledge of them. But I am aware of them and appreciate them just as much:) If the world treated everyone like Dave and Beth have been treated by all of you, then this would truly be a great world!!

I am not replying to this quote in particular, I was attracted to the photo as it reminded me of the days when we were blessed to have Natalee among us. But since I arbitrarily picked this one, I will have to respond:) Natalee has gone home, and for that we are all appreciative, as that is where we all want her to go. She just went before we were thru enjoying her company, for reasons we don't understand, and in this case we don't know the method that she traveled.

                                                    Tim Miller

I think that everyone should consider giving Tim a break. I don't appreciate what he said in that particular interview, but I judge friends not from an isolated comment after a long close relationship involving such an intimate and emotional ordeal as the one Beth, Dave, and Tim have experienced the past 5 years; I judge my friends on who is standing with me in my hour of need, and I certainly saw Tim there for Beth and Dave, and it wasn't a token appearance, he has been there for the long haul. The same goes for each and everyone of you. In this world of ultra communications, a fleeting moments of frustration or confusion that results in words, can become broadcast to the world before you can blink, or in real time. Tim had a bad moment, he said a few mean things, but he has earned the right to not be held out for ridicule for making a mistake. I don't think Beth feels any different now than before about Tim. Did the words hurt, I am sure they did a little, but not enough to waste a friendship over. We all say things we wish we could take back from time to time. She thinks he has a heart of gold, the nose of a blood hound, and if she needed him tomorrow, he would show up ready to help. I guess I am trying to say actions speak louder than words, and Tim's actions have earned him my respect, and I am certain that they have earned the respect and friendship of Beth and Dave. Tim is a hell of a guy, maybe not the most thoughtful or eloquent communicator, but he is pretty good at that, usually:), but his forte is hitting the ground and finding the hidden object, and no one does it better. I am certain that Beth would like for everyone to consider Tim a friend, an asset, and a great guy whom that they support. You never know when it might be you searching for a loved one, and it would be a shame if there was no Tim Miller around to help.

I am almost scared to post this, because I feel like I am defying gravity, and I have mis-spoke with this group years ago, and I have experienced the wrath first hand:) But I seem to have been forgiven, and I am hoping Tim can be forgiven by the Monkeys. I'll bet you Beth would like to see everyone forgive him as well. He is a friend of hers. He is on her team, so the stronger he is the stronger the team is.

Anyway, thats it. If I tried to tell the group how great I thought it was, this post would go for pages, maybe even volumes. So, I'll simply say, thanks, you are the best.



Fixed post within quote

Hey Janet. How did you know I was lurking???????? You have mystical powers!!!!!!!!!!

If I observed the betrayal on board the Persistence ... the betrayal encompassing the trap ... if I remained silent and ... if I established an ongoing professional  relationship with the betrayer ... I would also wish the Natalee Holloway case would just go away.

Janet

++++++ 


I Want the Natalee Holloway Case to Go Away!!!

WATT'S UP WITH THIS? STEPH WATTS & TIM MILLER 9/19/2010

Tim Miller:  I’m mad too and you know what Steph, I want the Caylee Anthony and Natalee Holloway cases to go away.  (Talks about Valerie Hamilton case)  But you know what..still...I don’t know why...I don’t know why...Casey Anthony and Beth Holloway are the big stories.  People, you need to get somethin’...Caylee and Natalee are not the only two people that have ever been abducted and murdered.  Those are not the only two people that have suffered.

Transcript - Texasmom

Audio:
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/watts-up-with-this/2010/09/20/watts-up-with-this#endframe

Good Morning private eye.

It has been a while.  I hope all is well.

I am somewhat taken back by the words in your post.  It isn't often that we are not on the same page.

Take care.

Janet
9:45 AM PT

Nice to see you private eye.  Your words are eloquently spoken and I know read by many.

We are all here for Justice for Natalee and that will never change.

What Steph Watts did was unprofessional.  I hope next time Tim thinks twice about the words he chooses about Beth.

Hopefully there will be no more interviews with Steph Watts at all.

How can Beth Holloway's actions possibly interfer with a corrupt investigation that has prevented justice from prevailing for 5 1/2 years?  Since when ... according to Tim Miller ... is the FBI and Aruban authorities on the same page ... the same page that implies justice for Natalee Holloway as an outcome?

++++++

Aruban Authorities and FBI on the Same Page

WATT'S UP WITH THIS? STEPH WATTS & TIM MILLER 9/19/2010

Steph Watts:  So how does she interfere with an ongoing investigation?  She goes over there, confronts him, spooks him, scares him, gets him to tell them the story and now he doesn’t want to talk to you know the people he was talking to before.  He throws his hands up in the air and says all this is off...you guys sprung Beth on me.  That’s how she interferes with an ongoing investigation Tim Miller.  Agree or disagree?

Tim Miller:  I one hundred percent agree... I one hundred percent agree... I .. I think she should have...  Beth needs to understand, Beth is the mother, Beth is not the investigator.  I know for a fact the FBI is working this very, very hard right now, very methodical.  Uhhh they’re working very, very  close with the authorities in Aruba, they are all on the same page and ummm... were mistakes made in the very beginning?  Yes, they were, they were.. o.k. let’s face it.  But you know what everybody’s on the same page now and ummm they could have done absolutely nothing except damage all the work that’s gone into it now.

Transcript - Texasmom

Audio:
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/watts-up-with-this/2010/09/20/watts-up-with-this#endframe

It is nice to see you private eye!  We have missed you here.

I appreciate your opinions.  You state them well.

I can only speak for myself, and I support Beth and Natalee, as I know most here do.

This isn't Tim's first faux pas.  I guess if it was his first, it would be easier to forgive him.

Tim knew what he was saying and there is no excuse for it.  Beth deserves better than that.

I hope you will come back more often.

We are on the same page, I do not like at all what Tim said, enough so if I had been standing by him I would have probably punched him:), but given the time to reflect, I would rather minimize the bad and accentuate the good. I mean, he has done a lot, I agree something was amiss with the Persistence, but I don't think that was Tim, I realize he has gotten a lot of publicity, but he showed up not knowing for certain, and being a guy I know how easy it is to say something you really don't mean. That's why I am such a chicken about posting:) Beth is a strong enough person to ignore the comments, chalk them up as frayed nerves or misunderstanding, and continue as friends I believe. I am maybe trying to apply the "Good Sam"
law where you don't have liability from trying to help?????????????????????? You have such a mastery of the facts of this case, it is intimidating to post, but that is also what I love about you:)

I read all of your post on a regular basis, in fact most of the time I get my information from the site. How you all do it, Ill never know, but this is a well established network:) And you right, there was no excuse for saying what he did, but I bet he has apologized and unfortunately that is all he can do. But isn't that enough for someone who has done as much as he has? He isn't perfect, just like me. But if you need him, he'll be there. That is a real friend. And I think he has gotten the message loud and clear. I have never met him so my opinion is formed from his actions only, and if Beth likes him, I like him:) She was raised with rowdy brothers, so Tim is not something she can't handle!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Prtivate Eye!! We think of you often and it is certainly great to hear from you! I of course understand and respect your feelings about Tim. I think most of us thought long and hard before coming back at Tim about his recent comments. Everyone here has always had such a high esteem and appreciation for all Tim has done for Natalee as well as his countless efforts for ALL missing family members. I don't think anyone here is taking that lightly and have carefully weighed that.

For me, it all goes back to the Persistence. I have not changed my belief that something very hinky was going on. I'm afraid Tim was not just "duped" -- he was compicit.

The Persistence was a strange deal, but I thought Tim was just aboard for the ride so to speak, and not as the Captain or in the know. Tim called Beth almost in tears he was so excited the night before the recovery. He is not that smooth of an operator to have faked his sincerity. Does he know more now? Only he knows that, and by his silence I assume he doesn't. Especially since Kyle seems to not know what happened as well. But something happened, I agree.

Beth is a far better woman than I will ever hope to be.

I prefer to hold a grudge for a while.  I have forgiven Tim before and even defended him when I felt in
my heart that I shouldn't.  I have just seen too much out of Tim lately to just let it go.

Something just isn't right with Tim.  IMO

Yes, I think he MAY have been duped -- but subsequent monetary ties TES is receiving from Silvetti et al is causing concern

Magnolia, I've had the same thoughts about myself.  Beth, private eye and Dave always seem to find the good & look past the things we find so disturbing. 

 ::HelloKitty::  So good to see you posting, private eye.  You've been reading in the rafters for quite some time & it's been too long.  ::MonkeyWink::

I have to get back to work, but it was good to visit with you, and just to be clear, I am always on your page because I believe in you, have watched the quality of your work, seen the depth of your loyalty, and appreciate all of the effort. You and all of the Monkey's were heaven sent, nothing else can explain it. And I guess not just the Monkeys, but everyone. I am even pleased at the offense that was taken from the interview with Tim. I felt the same or even stronger offense when I found out. I am just asking all to try to find some forgiveness for a mistake Tim made. He was wrong. It did hurt Beth's feelings for a moment. But friends sometimes make mistakes, Beth understands this, and she still likes Tim. I understand that everyone's time table for forgiveness operates at different speeds, and just because I am feeling forgiving doesn't mean it is correct for anyone else, so I am not objecting to the protest, I am just asking all to consider forgiving:)

It's good to see you Private Eye, and thank you for posting your thoughts and feelings. 

 ::MonkeyAngel::

private eye

Thank you for your response.

I am not justifying Kyle's silence in regards to the happenings encompassing the trap but ... he had only about a month's crash course from the Natalee's Freebirds regarding the corrupt Aruban investigation that had prevented justice from prevailing.  In other words ... not justifying but Kyle had second thought about doing right when it came to risking his entire career by disregarding a  confidentiality agreement and exposing the John Silvetti betrayal.

However ... Tim Miller has to be held to a higher degree of accountability than Kyle Kingman when loyalties were compromised in regards to respective betrayals ... in regards to respective ongoing professional relationships with John Silvetti.

At the time ... Tim Miller had over a 2 1/2 years relationship/ connection/ history with Beth and Dave.  He knew where it was at from personal experiences in regards to the nightmare that Aruban authorities had put Natalee's parents through.  Tim had claimed that Natalee's family was his family.  Tim had  claimed that Natalee was like a daughter to him.

Think about it.  Exposing the betrayal would have made Tim a hero.  However ... a line was drawn in the sand when Tim chose to remained silent regarding what he observed ... when he established a professional relationship with the betrayer ... a relationship which is still ongoing.  In other words ... Tim turned his back on Natalee.  Tim turned his back on Natalee's family.  IMO

private eye ... according to Kyle Kingman ... Natalee's remains may have been in that trap ... I cannot let that go.


Janet

++++++

Tim Miller

Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words

Kyle Kingman:  I found the trap on 1:45am Christmas morning. I got the OK to begin our ROV dive series for the 29th, so I made it our first dive. We got visual of the fish trap and that it was suspicious. Basically, the fish trap door was open and there appeared to be a skull and torso-shape in sand on the door inside the trap Reviewing the 29-Dec video I noticed the torso shape in sand had a 90 degree angle and that the sand was supported from falling through the bottom of the trap, which was slightly excavated by currents. I proportioned out the distance from the top of the head, to shoulder, to that 90 degree angle and it was a match to Natalee's photo of her standing -head, to shoulder, to the end of her denim skirt. I showed TM the proportional match and the possibility of a skirt under the sand and he said he's going to tell the parents. I said definitely not until we sample the trap and get results. He made the call to Dave and Beth independently.

Kyle Kingman:  Later that day 30-Dec we conducted the dive with the Aruban divers along with our own Tim Trahan.  He couldn't tell by his own admission
 
Kyle Kingman:  I requested all samples to be brought on board the Persistence for visual and top-side photographs. It was ignored by the project lead (John S.) who felt the Arubans would follow whatever they needed to do as far as proper protocol.

Kyle Kingman:  By Tim's (Trahan) own admission, his observation of the inside of the trap (lasting a few seconds) was inconclusive

Kyle Kingman:  The Arubans told us there wasn't anything of interest in the trap based on the visual-only inspection (Dateline and Tim Miller present).
 
Kyle Kingman:  John definitely believed the Arubans at their every word when they said on Dec 30th that it was nothing case relevant.

Kyle Kingman:  It's unanimous that Tim M. should never have told Dave and Beth anything about the trap until it's contents were forensically examined.  After the diver visual inspection of the trap he was obligated to report what the Aruban divers reported because although limited, it's the only information he had and the family rightfully wanted answers. It was a royal mess.

Kyle Kingman:  On the night of the 30th (I believe this was Tim's last night on the Persistence) I approached Tim and proposed some ideas to him. I suggested that we shouldn't take the Aruban Polis divers at their word and proceed with planning a recovery of the trap. Also, I proposed the trap site may not be pristine or the Polis may have already knew about it. This statement was backed up by several comments we heard, behavior we observed, and other things. Tim told me he thought I was right but didn't know what to do about it.

Kyle Kingman:  After the Dec 30th dive John [Silvetti] didn't want Tim Miller on board the Persistence because he said Tim wasn't necessary any more and was a liability. I don't know what that exactly means, but Tim wasn't hurting anything except releasing the statements to the press and Holloways that we found Natalee.

It's so good to see you private eye!   ::MonkeyDance::

The part I bolded reminded me of the loving protective brother that I'm so thankful Beth has.   :smt052

I respect your opinion very much, and appreciate your coming here and telling us what you think more than you could possibly know.

You're special to us, being one of Natalee's family that has been here with us through a lot; I hope you'll never ever feel hesitant to chime in with your thoughts...or share in the laughter too that so often gets us through.

As many others, I'd given Tim Miller the benefit of the doubt for a long time.  I've supported him prayerfully too many times to count, and financially as much as I could.  I've taken up for him many times here.  He crossed the line with those comments about Beth, I know I won't be able to forget that. (my dad has a saying about me and never forgetting those things, lol) 

I hope he has sincerely apologized to Beth, and if she has forgiven him; I know I should too. 

Lunch break's over, gotta run!

Take care!   ::MonkeyCool::

I am not blaming Kyle either. I do think he was duped, and I think he realizes it now. And I totally agree that Tim was wrong in these comments. Completely wrong. But I think Dave considers him a friend, and Beth still considers him a friend, so despite me not understanding the dynamics of their relationships, I can forgive him. But it took me a week????????? And I enjoyed reading the thrashings he got, but I know that Beth will be forever indebted to him, because he, like all at this site, were her wings when her feet couldn't carry her. Literally. I don't think you can comprehend how much everyones support helped Beth. And for that, I will owe you for the rest of my life.

I would like to thank private eye for visiting and posting, and I understand what he's saying.

From the get-go, Tim has been one of those good guys with some serious warts and wrinkles. I think we've all known that. Well, at least, that's my opinion.

Someone (Frank?) (Deetch?) commented that all of this about Tim is a distraction. I agree.

Beth is a smart woman, stays focused, always on a mission. I doubt she is expending energy on stupid comments from a has-been's web radio show.

Now there is a big difference in forgetting and forgiving:) I won't forget,,,,,,,,,,,but I can forgive:) Bye

private eye ... I am somewhat confused.  Nevertheless I am thankful you dropped by.

Off to the dentist!

 ::HelloKitty::

Janet

Thank You Private Eye for checking in.

I stand with Beth and Natalee. And Kermit of course.  ::MonkeyCool::

Always have always will.

Private Eye; It's wonderful to see you and read your comments. Thank you so much for them. You and your family hold a special place in our hearts. Now and until Natalee comes home, we stand with the girl. We will always stand with Natalee and Beth and we will never forget.

God Bless you. You and your family remain in our prayers.

Good to see you as always, Private Eye! ::teddybear::

Maybe I am out of line, but I think Tim should make a public apology for things he said on
Steph Watts show.  I am still furious with Tim.
 
I don't care about Steph Watts.  He can just crawl back under the rock he came from and
stay there.

Things build up over time.  I know I have tried to defend Tim Miller and "save him from himself" many times.  One of those involved calling the boss of reporter Jen Hale and trying to explain that Tim was emotionally fragile because of his own loss and his drinking problems and that Tim likely misspoke on that $1.5 million dollar fund for going back to search the remainder of the "targets."

Then he did all that questionable stuff in the Caylee Anthony case.  I don't follow that one as closely so I won't recap for fear of getting it wrong but I do know he did some highly questionable things in that regard as well.

And as I told Dana, we are all likely more upset over what he said about Beth than she is but there is just a limit to how many passes a person gets and how much I personally can overlook.

And as for TJ Ward. I just think it is highly unethical for any professional to take fees from a client and then trash them.  I don't care if it is a lawyer or just a PI, it stinks.

So having slept on it for a couple of days, I don't feel any differently toward those two than I did when they first said it.  And I tend to be a pretty calm and unemotional person for the most part.  It's not a flash or anger that I feel but a deep sense of disgust.

But if not for Natalee I would have never heard of either of these two.  And I tend to think they are just jealous that Beth now depends on Peter de Vries to help her instead of those who have made such a big fuss and honked their own horns so much in the past and produced nothing.

I am far behind and haven't caught up but wanted to say you are not out of line Magnolia.  If he can say those things about Beth in public he can also be a man apologize to Beth in public.

How about an apology on Dana's show rather than that idiot Steph Watts show.

HOW ABOUT CLEARING UP HIS COMMENTS.

Free rooms or house, free food and all the booze you can drink and all you have to do is trash Beth once in a while.

A bargain to some.  And something others would not do for anything on earth.

I guess it goes to the characcter thingy.  Some have it and some don't.

As I have said before, there was no ongoing investigation nor any investigation at all!  Who are they trying to kid.

Beth can't possibly "mess up" something that doesn't exist!

And we could call in and ask Tim questions, lol!  I'd love that but bet he would never agree to that format.  Maybe a no-questions one.




 ::MonkeyDevil::

And I am not the least bit pleased that Tim is going around on the guise of helping families

of missing persons, dragging along his trashy girlfriend, while his wife is at home with bone

cancer.  That makes him a liar and a cheat...anyway you look at it.

If that should happen, Dana had better plan for a long show if we get to call in with questions and comments!!  ::MonkeyWink::

Tim got me madder than a cat in hissy fit with a crocheted tail!

I don't go worked up so easily... so when I get there... it takes awhile

for me to come down from the ledge.

I think someone should pick that ol' boy up by the seat of his pants (there's plenty of loose material there) and stick him in a corner with his nose in it for a bit. He needs to think about the hurtful things he said on Steph's show. If he truthfully believes some of the crap he said about Beth and Natalee... he's not the man I thought he was.

One thing about forgiving people.

Have they even sincerely asked to be forgiven?

If the answer is no... they don't even want it.

Don't waste your time and energy.

I am back from the dentist with the horrible aftertaste of mint flavored floride gel.  As my grandkids would say YUK!!

private eye ... the words of Kyle Kingman convinces me that Tim Miller was on the side of justice for Natalee ... on the side of closure for her family at the time the trap was discovered ... at the time of the visual dive ... at the time he departed from the ship prior to the recovery dive.

What changed?  Why did Tim not go up one side of John Silvetti and down the other?  Why didn't Tim exposed for all to hear the betrayal encompassing the trap that may have contained Natalee's remains?   What/who persuaded Tim to become a participant ... a participant through silence ... in the furthering of the Aruban coverup that has prevented justice from prevailing since May 30, 2005?
 
God entrusted Tim with the truth and ... Tim failed Him big time when exposure regarding the Persisence betrayal did not happen and ... when a professional relationship with the betrayer was established.
 
Think about.  Would Tim have remained silent in regards to what he observed on board the Persistence if there was a possibility that the remains of his precious daughter had been in that trap?

Think about it.  Would Tim have embraced a professional relationship with John Silvetti and Louis Schaefer if there was a possibility that the remains of his  precious daughter had been recovered unchallenged by the Aruban enemy?
 
It is never too late to seek forgiveness.  However ... Tim must first bow with genuine repentence ... reveal all to Beth and Dave and ... reveal all to the FBI ... if he desires forgiveness ... forgiveness from Natalee's family  ... forgiveness from those who prayerfully and monetarily supported TES in this venture and ... above all ... forgiveness from God.  There will be personal consequences but ...  the burden which Tim has carried for over 2 1/2 years will have been lifted and ... the truth would prevail..

Private Eye ... the line was drawn in the sand 2000 years ago.  Repentance and forgiveness are a packaged deal.  If we desire our Savior to forgive the sins that we commit against His Holy Name ... genuine repentance is where is is at.

Janet

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1 John 1:9
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness.


A Reminder for Tim

Heli Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 8:30 pm

Dana Pretzer
July 20, 2006

Tim Miller:  we never received a grant in our life, we've tried to be self sufficient, we get donations, we have fund raisers. We never, ever ask for money from a family member, we've never asked for money from LE, we won't accept money from family members.

Somehow or another, God has always blessed us to keep our doors open, to make it to the next search.  Before we start a search we always start with a prayer... I'm only the founder of TES, God is our leader and that's why we have the success we have.

http://refugeesunleashed.net/about3669.html

Carpe and Janet saying the same thing in different words, imo. 

Yeah, Neither Tim nor TJ have apoligized or asked to be forgiven.  And it's Beth whom they have harmed.

It would be different if this had happened soon after Natalee disappeared when there was even a ghost of a chance of any shred of an investigation but after 5.5 years, c'mon! 

Don't even ask anybody to fall for that routine any more.

I don't agree.

Tim Miller is a very important piece of the puzzle if there is even a remote chance that Natalee can be returned to her family ... to her country.

Also Tim Miller is a very important piece of the puzzle if there is even a remote chance that a measure of justice will prevail for Natalee Holloway.  Paulus' enfamous words "No Body; No Case" will not longer apply.

I hope you are having a good day msmarple.

 ::HelloKitty::

Janet

 ::rhino::

IMO you're not out of line at all Magnolia.  He said all those things publicly and I agree that's how he should apologize too. 

But I won't hold my breathe waiting for it to happen.

And I totally agree about Steph Watts! 

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

 ::MonkeyCool::

 ::MonkeyCool::

We are one day closer.

JFNaS!!!

 ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyGavel::

(http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w214/iliketoN0KTEM/TimMillerLisaHoffman2008.jpg)

To the cheekfully challenged: ::HelloKitty::

Gonna put a hook in it and string ya up, Mr. Billy Ray Board Boodie!


Say you are sorry.

private eye

We will have to agree to disagree.  I am a believer in Kyle Kingman's own words regarding the happenings encompassing the trap.  Therefore ... I am believer that Tim Miller ... according to Kyle Kingman's own words ... was aware that the happenings encompassing the trap were not furthering the cause of justice for Natalee or the cause of closure for her family.

I hold both these men accountable for becoming participants in the Aruban cover up that has prevented justice from prevailing since May 30, 2005 ... participants through their respective silences which came with a price.  However ... for the reasons stated ... I do hold Tim Miller accountable to a great degree.

Just clarifying friend.

Janet

Carpe

Was it confirmed that Tim Miller has a girlfriend?

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet

Janet - It has not been confirmed as far as I am concerned yet.


Sometimes when people get mad they say a lot of things.

Who knows? I don't.

Wreck ... I agree!

private eye ... I contend that Tim Miller was on the side of justice for Natalee and closure for the family at the time the trap was discovered ... at the time of the visual dive ... at the time of Tim's departure from the ship.  Kyle Kingman's own words revealed that both he and Tim were troubled in regards to the happenings encompassing the trap.

However ... at some period in time ... it appears that both Kyle and Tim's respective silence was payed forward by the one who afforded the Aruban divers unchallenged possession of what may have been Natalee Holloways remains.

Janet

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Thanks Carpe.

Janet

Pita - GoldMonkey

Luke 23:35
Jesus said, "Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing."  

The forgiveness that our Savior was refering to as He hung from the Cross at Calvary was a conditional forgiveness.  As far as the Roman soldiers were concerned ... Jesus was being crucified for proclaiming that He was God ... a crime under Roman law.  The soldiers had no idea that Jesus was proclaiming the truth ... the truth that He was God.

The Scriptures are not difficult to comprehend ... the commandments within are not contradictory.  Common sense prevails.

When Tim Miller and Kyle Kingsman are considered ... both men know their respective silences regarding the happenings encompasses the trap are betrayals to Natalee and her family.  Forgiveness implies sincere repentance.

IMO