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I'm here, but it was a bumpy ride!   ::MonkeyTongue::

It was almost a double lock!  I made the new cage!

 ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::

What a team!   ::MonkeyDance:: Monkey King? I saw you coming. Wasn't expecting the Tarzan Yell, but I was impressed!   ::MonkeyTongue::

What a team!   ::MonkeyDance:: Monkey King? I saw you coming. Wasn't expecting the Tarzan Yell, but I was impressed!   ::MonkeyTongue::

OK, it's a new, clean cage! No spittin', cussin', or throwing nanner peels; Absolutely no poo flinging!   ::MonkeyWink::

AND may Kyron be home before we see the end of this thread!  

Night All! Sleep well and God Bless!

Monkey King
Reply #891 on: September 26, 2010, 11:57:47 PM »

I don't remember where it is written, but Dede at one point made a statement that any insurance policy Terri would have recieved, would have gone directly to pay the bills as Terri and Kaine were in debt.

I believe this is why there is speculation about the funds that have been recieved for the search for Kyron

Goodnight!  I am right behind you.  God bless you, too!  xo

Isn't Kaine and Terri's divorce hearing in the begining of Oct?

Goodnight, Bearly!!   ::MonkeyKiss::

I wonder who was having money problems at the school.

Wait!  I still have questions from the last cage!

I thought HO was the only one who was "speculating" about the fundraisers.  What do you mean?

Well, I'm off to the monkey-bunky, too.  G'nite.

Well, I'm off to the monkey-bunky, too.  G'nite.

I'm not staying here alone, Puzz....gnight!

G'nite, CBB.

G'nite, Bearly.

Harry made his statement on the radio.  Ang from Friends.4.Kyron, on FB, also agreed that there should be accountablitity over the funds recieved.  These funds are sent in by well meaning people for the search of Kyron Horman.  That's where they expect these monies to go- towards the search for Kyron.  To date, there has been no talk of searches in the private domain.

People talk, and people say- well why hasn't there been anymore searches? 
People speculate.  Will there be any searches or not.

goodnight, Puzzler  and don't try to lick me!   ::MonkeyKiss::

when I listened to the blog radio thing with Harry, I think that was Friends.4.Kyron talking with him...not sure...anyway, when you are talking $42,000 plus expenses for those kind of private services....I don't know that they have up that kind of money yet.  I think the birthday only took in about 1,500 and then there was about 8,000 from the first big fundraiser.  Long way from being able to afford it.

Did everyone make it? Thanks for the "push" in the last thread, everyone!!

Principal, Ben Keefer...

http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Kyron%20Horman%20%20-OR-/?action=view&current=6810BenjaminKeeferprincipal.jpg


JW...

http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Kyron%20Horman%20%20-OR-/jason22.jpg

Somebody around who can put these next to each other? I have often wondered if they look alike...I can't tell when they are separate and would like to satisfy my curiosity... I don't even have the brains(she is gone today)to post the photo alone, just the links...

Odd, huh? BK has his hair combed forward...but yes, I do believe they look alike.  More so since I am able to compare side by side.

Interesting coincidence?      ::MonkeyEek::   

Thanks again for doing that.    ::MonkeyKiss::

Remove that toupee from the school administrator and viola!  Even more similar. 
 ::MonkeyDevil::

Morning KC. CBB was here a bit ago, she did the photo comparison for me. One of those odd feelings...sure weird.

::MonkeyDance::

Hi, Monkeys!  Is there a moderator in the cage? 
I'd like to pull a quote from the last cage.... is this possible?
TIA! 
 ::MonkeyAngel::

About the last press conference.

By the statement of "things that were suspect before that no longer are"... or something like that...

... does anyone think that Terri is no longer a de-facto suspect anymore, as determined by the GJ, and the reason for the case to be handed over to a task force?

Just awandering.

:D

I'm leaning that way, Itaryl.

http://www.kgw.com/news/kyron-horman/Raw-Sheriff-on-Kyron-Horman-case-pt-1-103010894.html

http://www.kgw.com/news/kyron-horman/Raw-Sheriff-on-Kyron-Horman-case-pt-2-103011144.html

Taking cues from the Gj, and recent arrests, and the lack of "Terri sightings", it seems like things have slowed down in this direction.

The Gj spent plenty of time to determine if the information they compiled and possessed was enough to indict Terri Horman.  They had plenty of witnesses.
 
The Gj, out of no where, suspended itself, with no True Bill.

Shortly thereafter, Sheriff Staton held a presser saying "Things we've suspected, we no longer suspect".  He talk's about "narrowing down the scope",  "target areas', "specific elements", and "closed multiple doors", again, "concentrate on target areas and direct those with their talents in those target areas". 

That doesn't sound to me, like they are going after a housewife.

I'm leaning that way, Itaryl.

http://www.kgw.com/news/kyron-horman/Raw-Sheriff-on-Kyron-Horman-case-pt-1-103010894.html

http://www.kgw.com/news/kyron-horman/Raw-Sheriff-on-Kyron-Horman-case-pt-2-103011144.html

Taking cues from the Gj, and recent arrests, and the lack of "Terri sightings", it seems like things have slowed down in this direction.

The Gj spent plenty of time to determine if the information they compiled and possessed was enough to indict Terri Horman.  They had plenty of witnesses.
 
The Gj, out of no where, suspended itself, with no True Bill.

Shortly thereafter, Sheriff Staton held a presser saying "Things we've suspected, we no longer suspect".  He talk's about "narrowing down the scope",  "target areas', "specific elements", and "closed multiple doors", again, "concentrate on target areas and direct those with their talents in those target areas". 

That doesn't sound to me, like they are going after a housewife.

I'm leaning that way, Itaryl.

http://www.kgw.com/news/kyron-horman/Raw-Sheriff-on-Kyron-Horman-case-pt-1-103010894.html

http://www.kgw.com/news/kyron-horman/Raw-Sheriff-on-Kyron-Horman-case-pt-2-103011144.html

Taking cues from the Gj, and recent arrests, and the lack of "Terri sightings", it seems like things have slowed down in this direction.

The Gj spent plenty of time to determine if the information they compiled and possessed was enough to indict Terri Horman.  They had plenty of witnesses.
 
The Gj, out of no where, suspended itself, with no True Bill.

Shortly thereafter, Sheriff Staton held a presser saying "Things we've suspected, we no longer suspect".  He talk's about "narrowing down the scope",  "target areas', "specific elements", and "closed multiple doors", again, "concentrate on target areas and direct those with their talents in those target areas". 

That doesn't sound to me, like they are going after a housewife.

About the last press conference.

By the statement of "things that were suspect before that no longer are"... or something like that...

... does anyone think that Terri is no longer a de-facto suspect anymore, as determined by the GJ, and the reason for the case to be handed over to a task force?

Just awandering.

:D

I quit posting on this case because it was like living a deja vu with Madeleine's case all over again. I already slugged it out with the best worst of the British and Portuguese trolls on the UK Mirror before that was shut down for liability and had no desire to do it all again. In my opinion, there was a lot of liability here, but not for SM, but for those that think they can just post anything they desire on the net and there are no consequences. Oh, that's right, you can be prosecuted in a civil court for malicious slander and spreading rumors and more importantly - destroying someone's character. Terri was never charged and never arrested even though so many are convinced that she is guilty. And even if she is cleared, those same posters may continue to believe that Terri somehow, someway, did it all and outsmarted everyone. They won't accept that Terri could be innocent and that she was the victim to a corrupt police force that could even rope off a crime scene.

Want to know what's gonna be shocking, especially to all you posters that said Terri has man hands, a red chest, fake red hair, let the vampire in, a step monster, pseudo diagnosed; had no knowledge of her personally and had never met, that she looks "creepy" in this picture, her facade is all as fake as her facebook postings and picture, that she "tormented" Kyron, - should I continue? Cause I could ... LOL

Wanna know? - Terri is not gonna face charges, and guess what - as I said, the police blew this case in the first 24 hours because they are incompetent. I said that months ago.

Here's the shocking part, which the police omitted in the last presser - they were singularly focused, and whoever got Kyron is GONE. G O N E.

But wait for it, waiiiit, here it comes. Here's the really shocking part. They shared investigative knowledge with the husband of the suspect. Everyone knows that the police never ever do that and compromised the investigation. Only an inept and incompetent police force uses the husband and ex-wife of the "de-facto suspect" to force her into a situation where she had to move. And feared for her life. Well, the police sure aren't gonna want to admit that, now are they. Heads could roll. By the way, Kaine was LIVING with TERRI when she and DeDe got her batphones... which was a term I always hated. So, again Kaine is the naive husband who knows nothing.

What did they have - NOTHING and they still have nothing. If they did there wouldn't have been Grand Jury and subpoenas. Which was going to be empaneled anyway to hear ALL the cases that the police couldn't solve. That happens in every jurisdiction in the country, not just Portland and not just for Kyron. They do that to make a test run and see if there is enough PROSECUTION evidence and the DEFENSE evidence is not presented. It's all one sided. And as I said to Wyks, you can indict a ham sandwich. But, in this case that wasn't even possible. That's because there isn't any evidence and as a matter of fact there is contrary evidence that says that Terri is not involved.

I started feeling badly that so many actually believed anything the police said (which happened only twice) or implied through Kaine and Desire. What kind of police force uses the parents of a missing child as the pseudo spokespersons? That's a first. And an atrocity. Most of us are brought up to believe the police and trust them, and that's where they misused their authority.

It's a shame that so many over looked the time line and placed Terri at two places at once. But what's worse is the police - knowing this weeks or months before any of you - allowed the rumors to continue and spread like wild fire. I guess they were hoping that someone would take justice into their own hands and the police could wash their hands of their own incompetency mess. When a few figured out that Terri couldn't be in two places at once, that's when they decided that Terri invited a monster in. She had to be involved and they were too emotionally invested.

Maybe, just maybe, Terri did it. I don't think she did, but that's because I wasn't singularly focused. I don't know because I wasn't there. But I do know it didn't happen like what has been presented to date. I also think that the police DID uncover additional information that points in another direction but it was too late to backtrack. So, it will be solved in ten years when "independent eyes" bring the closure that so many seek. Why ruin everyone's lives now and kick people off the force? Let that happen in a decade. That's how malfeasance and incompetency is handled these days.

And what about this lil' school of charms. Wouldn't the police try to protect them from future lawsuits (their part of the same small theocracy) - which should have been coming until Kaine said is was a safe school before and safer now. How could he even say that - his kid was stolen for that exact school.

Well, it's a strange lil world in Portland and I hope and pray that Kyron is found, really I do. But, it's gonna take the Hand of God to make this case right, but miracles still happen.

One last thing - if someone screams arrest imminent again, I'll scream.  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Edit to add missing ital. bracket.  MB

Thank-you so much Rob and I agree with everything you said  ::MonkeyCool::

Rob,

What are your thoughts on the depth of Kaine/Desiree accusing Terri of not telling everything she knows?

Rob,

I'm also curious as to your thoughts on Kaine/Desiree in a presser basically let DeDe know that if she doesn't tell LE everything they want to know then they're going to hit DeDe with a civil suit (or words to that effect)? 

Ahhh Rob, at long last!  Soooooooooo very good to see you again!!  I agree with what you posted, and as always, well said and thought-provoking!   ::dogwag::

Rob what are your thoughts on why Kaine will not allow Harry Oakes to search his property or give him a piece of clothing? (please and thank you)

Hi all I am grateful for the rain where I live much needed. I am more of a lurker than a poster, but I have to say I beg to differ with some of your statements, Rob.  I do agree that some things that some things said by others were a bit insensitive, but I stand my belief that truth is consistent.
I cannot speak for everyone's capacity or how they would handle a crisis but I do believe Terri lied on June 4Th. I think the term batphone is cute , but that is my opinion.My dad calls them bat phones for other not so nice reasons as he says we all sound like a bunch of batty people chatting  oblivious on these phones everywhere. I do not know what happened to Kyron, I don't believe in conspiracy theories. Just the truth. Truth is perception and when a person acts guilty, then that is what the public is left with. No hard feelings just agree to disagree. Instinctively I know the police messed this up, and there are no suspects, and this family is left torn, with a little boy missing. Yes there are alot of predators in Oregon as there are here in Virginia where I live. It is a sick sad world but we can continue to hope for the good in mankind to shine through. We can continue to share our thoughts on these forums and possibly bring comfort to someone else going through something painful. If I am wrong about Terri I will admit it and say I am sorry, but my gut tells me different. Have a nice night all. ::HelloKitty::

Thanks for your response Rob. I am just really confused on this subject though. I can not imagine someone saying that they have a scent and not allowing them to follow through with it. I am sorry but I would be calling every psychic that would listen, anyone with search dogs that would help, and be out looking every single day.

I agree with you about just about everything else you posted. But most of all about the school. Why would you not hold a school accountable when that is the last place your child was seen?

Another ponder that came to mind was the 1 (one) child that saw TH hiding under the stairway. When I think of hiding I think scrunched down and trying to hide. Would some one else not have noticed this?

Good evening Monkeys, it was hot here today in Pdx...a lovely Indian Summer Last Hurrah  ::MonkeyCheer4::

I watched a video earlier that someone put together with Kyron pics and "Say" by John Mayer. It was heartwarming and heartbreaking at the same time.

I do have a BURNING question I was hoping someone could clarify for me:

I have heard from different sources that adorable Ms. Kitty was with Terri at the science fair, also that she was with a babysitter during the science fair. I'm curious to know the truth, if anyone has any links...

Also, just an FYI- the Grand Jury has absolutely NOT issued a "NO TRUE BILL" in this case. Nor a "TRUE BILL". They have issued NOTHING, because they have not been released yet.
 
Their is a hiatus, with the expectation to resume at any time- which I suspect will be after the divorce hearing. Please don't stop looking at previous evidence because you think the GJ is over and nothing was decided.
Also, if anyone knows about Kitty that morning, please share with us. Thank You :)

now, YOUR thoughts Puzzler.  ::MonkeyAngel::

Hello nurseratchett.

I don't believe anyone has heard where Kiara was during the science fair, but she was witnessed at the Fred Meyer's with Terri shortly after she left the science fair.

That is all I can offer.

"I think the thing that seems odd about it perhaps is that we were just passing each other by and in a few seconds, with her daughter being sick in her arms, made a point to show me the picture."

Hello nurseratchett.

I don't believe anyone has heard where Kiara was during the science fair, but she was witnessed at the Fred Meyer's with Terri shortly after she left the science fair.

That is all I can offer.

Good evening Monkeys, it was hot here today in Pdx...a lovely Indian Summer Last Hurrah  ::MonkeyCheer4::

I watched a video earlier that someone put together with Kyron pics and "Say" by John Mayer. It was heartwarming and heartbreaking at the same time.

I do have a BURNING question I was hoping someone could clarify for me:

I have heard from different sources that adorable Ms. Kitty was with Terri at the science fair, also that she was with a babysitter during the science fair. I'm curious to know the truth, if anyone has any links...

Also, just an FYI- the Grand Jury has absolutely NOT issued a "NO TRUE BILL" in this case. Nor a "TRUE BILL". They have issued NOTHING, because they have not been released yet.
 
Their is a hiatus, with the expectation to resume at any time- which I suspect will be after the divorce hearing. Please don't stop looking at previous evidence because you think the GJ is over and nothing was decided.
Also, if anyone knows about Kitty that morning, please share with us. Thank You :)

My thoughts a very similar to yours.  I "wondered" about LE before, but became completely disgusted with them when they had their presser and showed manufactured pictures of where the white truck was parked.  Then, after putting those pictures in the public's mind, they incredulously turned around in the same breath and asked for people to come forth with "independent recollections" of seeing the white truck parked in those places.  Obviously, such a ruse didn't work. They still don't have "concrete evidence" to make an arrest.  We know this because LE told us themselves that "what we need is some concrete evidence".  I was hanging by a thread with LE up this point.  After the "we need concrete evidence" statement, I lost even that thread of hope that there is any "imminent arrest".   In fact...it became a joke IMO.  ::MonkeyLaugh::

Further, I think there's "something wrong" with the way that LE and Kaine said this is an isolated event and let everyone think alls well with the school.  Jaw-dropping statements in my mind.  Kyron went missing from the school.  NO ONE saw ANY ONE take Kyron or saw Kyron leave.  If they did, LE would have arrested that person(s). 

At the last press conference, I believe Stanton was probably the most frank/up front yet with any info coming from LE.  This is much bigger than they originally thought. This is going to surprise us.  He really didn't discuss Terri.

You were way out front in your thoughts about LE, which have come to pass over time.  Now many more of us see it, too.  Not all, though (as you said).

Yes, "how" does LE retract at this late date?  Not easy.  Possibly, they started with the last presser (need concrete evidence, and we're going to be surprised).  They put that out there for us to mull over and begin to accept that this is a problem.  Now they're going to put together a "task force".  I guess it will be up to the task force to come forward with more evidence...or "different" theory...thereby, letting LE off the hook a little bit.

Even Kaine said a couple of weeks ago that it felt like to him that they were back in the begininng of the case.  That told me that LE/Kaine/Desiree - were going to back away.

My 2 cents...

I'm pretty sure that you know which questions Terri allegedly lied on by now.

And they are not related to Kyron..

Do you know where Kyron is - no - Truthful (As far as I have seen)

Do you know who took Kyron - no - Truthful (As far as I have seen)

Where were you - Deceptive - (As far as I have seen)

maybe my info is incorrect.

You have a nice kind heart and there is nothing wrong with wishing the best.

Question:

As far as you know - would this have been the question on the 1st or 3rd LDT?(Rumor is she walked on the 2nd)  Wouldn't they (LE) just have cleared the issue(failed ?) up with her - than asked the same question again on the next one and she would have passed?  Not specifically her but is that the way the LDT questioning would go in general with repeat LDT's for anyone?  I know you have knowledge in this area...so can you help a girl out?

Rob

The fact is we don't really know much.  Everyone has an opinion, but until we get more information, it is impossible to say one way or the other.  I really don't think LE was hoping someone would take justice into their own hands.  If a stranger/SO abducted Kyron, then no one saw it happen and I don't think LE let him get away, because they wouldn't have had any more to go on then than they do today.  I think if anyone had reported seeing someone who didn't belong at the school that day they would have reported it and LE would have looked into it.  I don't think LE would have ignored any evidence, even if it led them in a different direction.  I really think they were open to any clues.

I think we are all here to discuss the facts that we have and explore where they, the facts, lead us.  If we are not here for that, then I don't know what this is all about.
   

No answer and not Rob but you bring up a very good point about a "stranger abduction"  with all the interviews of everyone present that day you'd think a stranger would stick out like a sore thumb for everyone there and thus LE. 

I always think about the serial killer in the silence of the lambs and how easy and quick it was for him to get his victim in the back of his van and ride off into the night.

I wonder if there was a set time that everyone - parents/chaperones left the science fair that day and if it coincides with Kyron missing?  Did they carry out their children's science projects to their cars? 

The rumor I heard was that Terri walked on the second LDT after first being interrogated by LE for hours and then asked the same questions over-and-over.

IMO, it's like Rob said.  If she failed the question "do you know where Kyron is?" - Terri would have been arrested.  If she failed the question "did you take Kyron from the school?" - Terri would have been arrested.  I she came up deceptive in her response to "where were you from during such-and-such time period" - that's nothing to arrest anyone over.

MK - good point about the possibility of LE having to deal with personalities within LE focusing soley in one direction.  I hadn't thought of that one before.

Stanton did talk about the "stress my staff has been under" (or words to that effect).

No answer and not Rob but you bring up a very good point about a "stranger abduction"  with all the interviews of everyone present that day you'd think a stranger would stick out like a sore thumb for everyone there and thus LE. 

I always think about the serial killer in the silence of the lambs and how easy and quick it was for him to get his victim in the back of his van and ride off into the night.

I wonder if there was a set time that everyone - parents/chaperones left the science fair that day and if it coincides with Kyron missing?  Did they carry out their children's science projects to their cars? 

IMO, the school was very busy with the science fair, everyone excited, additional people in the school - parents and visitors -and I don't really think anyone was focused on looking for stangers.  In fact, with no sign-in sheets, no cameras, very relaxed rules, a stranger could have easily walked in the school and gone into a room unnoticed. 

There are a couple of obvious points:  Kyron is missing and no one saw him leave.

 

The rumor I heard was that Terri walked on the second LDT after first being interrogated by LE for hours and then asked the same questions over-and-over.

IMO, it's like Rob said.  If she failed the question "do you know where Kyron is?" - Terri would have been arrested.  If she failed the question "did you take Kyron from the school?" - Terri would have been arrested.  I she came up deceptive in her response to "where were you from during such-and-such time period" - that's nothing to arrest anyone over.

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But wait for it, waiiiit, here it comes. Here's the really shocking part. They shared investigative knowledge with the husband of the suspect. Everyone knows that the police never ever do that and compromised the investigation. Only an inept and incompetent police force uses the husband and ex-wife of the "de-facto suspect" to force her into a situation where she had to move. And feared for her life. Well, the police sure aren't gonna want to admit that, now are they. Heads could roll.
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FatCatLurker~

From the way I understood things, the school opened early on a daily basis, for day care offered to parents. 

On this particular day, students arrived early to set up their projects. 
Parents were allowed to view the projects from 8am-9am.  At that point, the visitors were to leave the school. 

At 9am, the students were to be broken up into small groups of 4-6 (I've heard various sized groups), and were to tour the science fair with teachers and volunteeers.

The science fair was to last until 10am for the students.

It's clearly a different world than where I come from.  I thought the school contained 300 including staff?  That is small.  I heard somewhere that Kyron's class had 12 students in it and the teacher had a helper?  If you can't keep track of those small numbers imo we got problems from the get go???  JMO.

Yes I understand she would of been arrested but I am still curious.

Maybe not anything to do with it but as I have discussed another case and the LDT results of it with Rob I'd like to hear his response to my question about the questions asked and clearing them on the LDT if they show deceptive.  How do they rule out involvement on such a crucial question?

It seems to me that all the evidence is not clear at this point.  I can't go with the crazy MFH theory.   So I'am still picking apart what I got along with someone at the school...known to be at the school that day that would not be suspected.

It's clearly a different world than where I come from.  I thought the school contained 300 including staff?  That is small.  I heard somewhere that Kyron's class had 12 students in it and the teacher had a helper?  If you can't keep track of those small numbers imo we got problems from the get go???  JMO.

BBM
Rob, excellent points!! 

Agreed!  And heads may still roll by the time this is over.

Staton said "there are issues the Sheriff's Office needs to address" and there will be a "debriefing at the conclusion".

Also, someone asked the Sheriff:

 http://www.kgw.com/news/kyron-horman/Raw-Sheriff-on-Kyron-Horman-case-pt-1-103010894.html
http://www.kgw.com/news/kyron-horman/Raw-Sheriff-on-Kyron-Horman-case-pt-2-103011144.html

QUESTION: "Can you tell us if there are going to be other cases"

ANSWER:  "Through the course of this investigation we have developed some concerns and I think those concerns need to be addressed weither it's going to turn into an investigation and/or a notification process to other government entities that still remains to be assessed."

BBM
Rob, excellent points!! 

BBM
Rob, excellent points!! 

nurseratchett,

This may be a dumb question, but right now I can't figure out what Pdx means.  Would you please let me know?  TIA

Did they share though because they had evidence of a threat directed at the person they shared it with? I don't think LE gave info willy nilly to Kaine until they learned about the MFH plot. So, they would be highly liable if they had NOT shared with him.

OMG... I am sooo sorry, and embarrassed. NOt a dumb question, by any means. I apologize... I am so used to typing that, In my "ego" everyone knows....

I see it was already answered, but please accept my apologies for being so "local".
And, maybe a bouquet of   :flower:

So we have Staff, parents, volunteers anyone could be it.    Kyron last seen at 8:45?  9am per TH email w/male chaperone and 2 other children?  DS leaves at 9am also?  I wonder who else left at that time?

Sorry, I'm in Puzzler's box! ^

Hey Puzzler! ::monkeywine2::

Private party!

I am still stuck on the Kiara issue, Fly Monkey... if you're still reading, can you please ask DeDe where Kiara was during the science fair? There have been conflicting reports that she was with a babysitter and also that she was with Terri. For some reason, I base a lot of what TH "could have/would have" done on whether or not she was toting a toddler around AT the school.

 TIA

Patricia Mocha Latte, the question about Kyron saying his step mom is dead.  You may have missed a discussion we had several days ago about this and mainly the theory that came out of that was that Kyron might have either overheard Terri talking on the phone about something he shouldn't know about or walked in on Terri with someone she shouldn't have been with...and...when Terri recognized Kyron had overheard/seen something that Terri said "I'm dead."  Or possibly, that Kyron overheard Terri telling someone else "I'm dead."

We don't even know if that an an accurate or authentic statement.

well, again, the police tell them things and they think that it's the be all end all, but the reality is - it's highly challenged in court.

Sorry to see it may take that route and makes me wonder.

Threats rarely play out, but Kaine and Desiree COULD be open to A COUNTER SUIT. Unlikely, but it could happen.

See, this is part of the suit culture. People threaten but rarely sue. Conversely, what's DeDe to do? Sue the parents of a missing child? Again, it goes back to what the police told Kaine and Desiree.

I do find it interesting that so many threats are focused on everyone but the school that lost Kyron.
Interesting.

Yea it is amazing isn't it? I would think everyone knows an administer protects the almighty budget over everything but that is not the case. I have been slapped down before because my thought is, if the school had protected their students, nobody would have been able to do this.

Patricia Mocha Latte, the question about Kyron saying his step mom is dead.  You may have missed a discussion we had several days ago about this and mainly the theory that came out of that was that Kyron might have either overheard Terri talking on the phone about something he shouldn't know about or walked in on Terri with someone she shouldn't have been with...and...when Terri recognized Kyron had overheard/seen something that Terri said "I'm dead."  Or possibly, that Kyron overheard Terri telling someone else "I'm dead."

You are absolutely correct, TracyGirl!

Thank you Puzzler. Those are possibilities also.


I remember reading an older newsletter that had been posted at Skyline elementary regarding K. Villarreal's death. (I had posted a link back when I had read it.) It seemed that Becky Owens had decided to tell people who were concerned not to come up to her to discuss KV's passing. How sad is that?

Here is the link to some other discussion regarding the other son also:
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8267.180

Like Klaas, I too thought it very interesting regarding the possible sighting of a white truck? by the older man who lives near Becky Owens home....What's his name? Sheesh my brain just froze. Anyway so yeah, there is that too.

Also, wasn't it discovered that Becky Owen's and KH knew each other from High School? Possibly Michael Cook as well?
IIRC Becky Owens initially went out of her way to help Kaine with alerting the public about Kyron Horman's case right?
 

No answer and not Rob but you bring up a very good point about a "stranger abduction"  with all the interviews of everyone present that day you'd think a stranger would stick out like a sore thumb for everyone there and thus LE. 

I always think about the serial killer in the silence of the lambs and how easy and quick it was for him to get his victim in the back of his van and ride off into the night.

I wonder if there was a set time that everyone - parents/chaperones left the science fair that day and if it coincides with Kyron missing?  Did they carry out their children's science projects to their cars? 

Thank you Puzzler. Those are possibilities also.


I remember reading an older newsletter that had been posted at Skyline elementary regarding K. Villarreal's death. (I had posted a link back when I had read it.) It seemed that Becky Owens had decided to tell people who were concerned not to come up to her to discuss KV's passing. How sad is that?

Here is the link to some other discussion regarding the other son also:
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8267.180

Like Klaas, I too thought it very interesting regarding the possible sighting of a white truck? by the older man who lives near Becky Owens home....What's his name? Sheesh my brain just froze. Anyway so yeah, there is that too.

Also, wasn't it discovered that Becky Owen's and KH knew each other from High School? Possibly Michael Cook as well?
IIRC Becky Owens initially went out of her way to help Kaine with alerting the public about Kyron Horman's case right?
 

I am still stuck on the Kiara issue, Fly Monkey... if you're still reading, can you please ask DeDe where Kiara was during the science fair? There have been conflicting reports that she was with a babysitter and also that she was with Terri. For some reason, I base a lot of what TH "could have/would have" done on whether or not she was toting a toddler around AT the school.

 TIA

::HelloKitty::

Becky Owens is not Curtis's mother .

Becky Owens is not the Becky that sent the email about Kyron at Intel.

A stranger abduction is a possibility but the stranger must have been associated in some way with the school to know there was a science fair going on and it would be chaotic. Don't you think?

This case is so disturbing. I recall with all my children, I drove them to school and walked them to their class and once they entered that building I relaxed and assumed they were safe until school was let out in the afternoon. To think that a child could be abducted from within a school building is horrifying. It would make more sense if Kyron had left the building for whatever reason and wandered alone near someone bent on snatching one of the children. However, we are not privy to what came out in interviews with all attendees that day.

I can't get Kyron out of my thoughts, he has grabbed my heart. I have faith that our thoughts and prayers are making a difference, some way some how.

Thank you Puzzler. Those are possibilities also.


I remember reading an older newsletter that had been posted at Skyline elementary regarding K. Villarreal's death. (I had posted a link back when I had read it.) It seemed that Becky Owens had decided to tell people who were concerned not to come up to her to discuss KV's passing. How sad is that?

Here is the link to some other discussion regarding the other son also:
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8267.180

Like Klaas, I too thought it very interesting regarding the possible sighting of a white truck? by the older man who lives near Becky Owens home....What's his name? Sheesh my brain just froze. Anyway so yeah, there is that too.

Also, wasn't it discovered that Becky Owen's and KH knew each other from High School? Possibly Michael Cook as well?
IIRC Becky Owens initially went out of her way to help Kaine with alerting the public about Kyron Horman's case right?
 

Hi, Shell.  The school did have a big sign in the front about the science fair and it was open to the public.  Anyone could have seen that sign when they were driving by.  Chances are good that sign was put up before that morning, too.

Thanks Puzzler, I didn't know that. There is a lot I don't know. I wonder why it was open to the public. That was not a good idea, IMHO

Thanks Puzzler, I didn't know that. There is a lot I don't know. I wonder why it was open to the public. That was not a good idea, IMHO

From: Horman, Kaine A
Sent: Sunday, June 06, 2010 8:39 AM
Subject: FW: Kaine Horman's son is missing

All,
If you have seen local Oregon news or been browsing the internet or FaceBook there is a good chance you have seen an article similar to the one that Becky forwarded (below). While this note is difficult for me to write in this state of mind I felt it necessary for Kyron’s sake.

Optional actions for you:
The Intel network is large and wide-reaching. Many have asked me what they can do to help us and my answer is the following:
1. Forward Kyron’s information to as many people as you feel comfortable with; the more people that see this will increase our chances of finding him
2. Do not speak to any media if contacted; I am trying to contact Intel legal to give them the heads up and help with this situation

Physical description at the time of his disappearance (picture is show in Becky’s note and here):
He is 3 foot 8 and 50 pounds, with blue eyes and brown hair. He was wearing black cargo pants, white socks, worn black Sketcher tennis shoes with orange trim and dark-colored t-shirt with the "CSI" show logo

Police Hot Line Number:
(503) 261-2847

Some rough background:
The article that Becky forwarded is pretty accurate with details. He was dropped off at school about 8:45 and went missing sometime between then and 9 or 9:30am. We did not know he was not at school until we went to get him off of the bus at 3:30 and he was nowhere to be found. The bus driver immediately called the school which responded that his teacher had not seen him all day in class, at which point we notified police in partnership with the school. It is still unknown whether he left school grounds on his own or was abducted. Be assured that there are currently an amazing number of agencies and amount of person-power being applied to the search and investigation.

Thank you all for the thoughts and prayers for Kyron’s safe return. I will update the group once status changes which will hopefully be soon. At the time of this note Kyron has now been missing for ~48 hours; time is of the essence.


Kaine Horman
Enterprise Business Architect

Intel Corporation

^These are the ones the KNOW about.^

Itaryl~

http://www.lectlaw.com/def2/t112.htm

TRUE BILL
These words are endorsed on a bill of indictment, when a grand jury, after having heard the witnesses for the government, are of opinion that there is sufficient cause to put the defendant on his trial. Formerly, the endorsement was Billa vera, when legal proceedings were in Latin; it is still the practice to write on the back of the bill Ignoramus, when the jury do not find it to be a true bill.

Thanks MK.

 ::MonkeyKiss::

The Sauvie Island resident that reported seeing a white truck and red mustang with the RDSQRL license driving wildly - could it be that the person who took Kyron contacted Kaine/Terri?

My thoughts a very similar to yours.....[snipped]

Yes, "how" does LE retract at this late date?  Not easy.  Possibly, they started with the last presser (need concrete evidence, and we're going to be surprised).  They put that out there for us to mull over and begin to accept that this is a problem.  Now they're going to put together a "task force".  I guess it will be up to the task force to come forward with more evidence...or "different" theory...thereby, letting LE off the hook a little bit.

Even Kaine said a couple of weeks ago that it felt like to him that they were back in the begininng of the case.  That told me that LE/Kaine/Desiree - were going to back away.

My 2 cents...

I'm going to have to hunt for it, but I saw a post somewhere on another board, where a person states they too reported the red car racing back from Sauvie, but it didnt have that plate registration- no RDSQRL.

The Sauvie Island resident that reported seeing a white truck and red mustang with the RDSQRL license driving wildly - could it be that the person who took Kyron contacted Kaine/Terri?

Hi MK and Puzzler,  I did read that comment written by a SI resident {she stated that} about a red mustang driving wildly on the island that morning of the 4th.  I don't remember anything in that comment about a white truck.  And she did say she saw Terri.  Gosh, it is so long ago since I read that comment.  Wish I could read it again.   ::rhino::

Is that comment posted anywhere?  Ta

Puzzler,

This has always been my personal theory.  Why else would their two vehicles be seen chasing around on the island? 
 ::MonkeyCool::

Reading over this memo from Kaine, it still bothers me because it seems detached.  He never says "my son" in the memo.  He never asks for anyone to be on the look for his son; while he tells everyone to rest assured that plenty of people are looking for Kyron.  It just bothers me.

Rob, as a guy reading what another guy wrote - how does this memo hit you?  TIA

I've read one that said the person reported it and it did NOT have the RDSQRL license plate, but another , and I have read another which someone said a friend or a neighbor of theirs reported it and it had the RDSQRL tag.  So, if I can locate the one without, it would kind of balance out the other. 

Neither are an official version, both are just posts on a forum.

It sure would be nice to have some official statements vs the evidentiary famine we are experiencing.

The Sauvie Island resident that reported seeing a white truck and red mustang with the RDSQRL license driving wildly - could it be that the person who took Kyron contacted Kaine/Terri?

I've read one that said the person reported it and it did NOT have the RDSQRL license plate, but another , and I have read another which someone said a friend or a neighbor of theirs reported it and it had the RDSQRL tag.  So, if I can locate the one without, it would kind of balance out the other. 

Neither are an official version, both are just posts on a forum.

It sure would be nice to have some official statements vs the evidentiary famine we are experiencing.

I have often wondered if Kyron was used as bait, or was taken hostage until a debt was repaid.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

It's one of the tidbits I keep coming back to ever since I first read about it.  It brings up all kinds of questions. 

Was Kaine at work the entire morning...not just the time he spent in a meeting...but the entire morning? 

Why wouldn't Kaine/Terri tell LE about it?  Would it mean that Kaine/Terri has something bigger to hide that would get them in a lot of trouble with LE? 

Could this be a reason that Kaine had Terri's back - up to the point in time when LE told him about the alledged MFH plot?

Could this be why Kaine came out from the meeting with LE after work one day all smiles? Because shortly thereafter (correct me if I wrong), it came out that Kaine left the home with Kiara...and...that the alledged MFH plot gave a reason to point the finger at Terri - and Terri alone?  Thereafter, the finger was strongly pointed at Terri.

Hi MK and Puzzler,  I did read that comment written by a SI resident {she stated that} about a red mustang driving wildly on the island that morning of the 4th.  I don't remember anything in that comment about a white truck.  And she did say she saw Terri.  Gosh, it is so long ago since I read that comment.  Wish I could read it again.   ::rhino::

Is that comment posted anywhere?  Ta

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We know for a fact that Kyron's step mom was on Sauvie Island. Not only the cell phone, but eye witness reports that she was out here driving very fast and crazy. There was also another vehicle with her. He drove off the road, due to the speed they were both driving. This was reported to the tip line from people who live on the island and seen this take place. It was the morning that Kyron went missing.

You guys are confusing us as to where to look. There are som many differant places in which you are all talking about..... Now we will wait and pray for someone to find him.


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Oh I didn't hear that report...can you link us up?


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Its not on a report. This is a small island. Most of the people have lived out here for years. We have a small knit community on the island. People out here try to pay attention to vehicles and people. We are a tourist trap at this time of year. We have issues with theft on the farms and all sorts on nonsense. We all try to watch out for each other. In other words, people pay attention when anything is not normal. We have our own neighborhood watch as one could say. It has been reported to the proper agency. This is why we feel they have spent so much time out here. There were eye witnesses who wrote down license plate numbers.

We also hope you are right and Kyron is NOT found on the island. We had another tradgedy on the same day Kyron dissapeared. A lot of the people out here are dealing with the loss of a very good friend. If the sherriffs dept. looked somewhere else, it would possibly let our hearts heal for our neighbor and friend.

MY, My, What thinkers we have here!  Reading thru the last 4 pages, the Sleuthing talent has left me {almost} speechless.  LOL

Rob,  It's so great to see you here after spending so many devoted hours side by side trying to unravel Madeleine McCann's case.  When I think of it now I read and weep at the thought she was never found.  And that whoever took her has gotten off scott free.

In that case we were all apprised of the danger in writing posts that might be held as liable towards the family.  I think that was because T. Blair had made it so easy to sue someone under British law, like the Portuguese paper that got scared and folded up.  In Britain everyone sues everyone and they don't even fight to the enth degree - just pay up and go on with business.  IMO

Here in America I can't see that happening if a poster is responsible, even if they post rumors by labeling them as such.  I don't know for sure about that but do know here posters do try to protect the victims.  It's all in how a post is written IMO that makes the difference.

Here we seem to protect KH, seeing him as a pure victim in the case, as we also do with Desiree.  I can see another side here, #1 being I can't believe KH had no idea that his wife could have it in her to concoct a MFH plot and find someone, hiring him to do the job. 

I also can't imagine a mother whose son pleads with her to keep him with her and not send him back to Portland - not fully exploring the why of it before sending him back.  This is amazing to me on both Kyron's natal parents that they were so clueless as to how his life was being affected in this situation.

No one really talks about the night of the 3rd.  An argument which IMO could have been a doozie   and the trigger that set out what Kyron's fate would be.  I wonder what the topic of discussion was that night?  A possible criminal mind in the mix, the word dead being used {that Kyron overheard} possibly gave way to a well thought out plot to hurt KH in the worst way possible way ~ and it was rekindled.

I think Kyron might have never vanished into thin air if his parents had been more thoughtful of him.  Blaming does no good.  But understanding the dynamics of these adults could give reason to the why it happened IMO.



PS:  One more thought is to me it has always appeared that LE was 'in bed' with Tony as he was their peer, and this relationship of respect carried over into the use of Desiree and Kaine being used as spokespersons for LE.  I think LE used them to further their inverstigation, in talking to the media.  I agree with the poster who said it was a very bad plan.  I am simply amazed that the FBI didn't warn the WCSO investigators it was a bad way to handle the case.  Maybe they did    ::MonkeyNoNo::   IMO

This makes about as much sense:

(http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p193/fsmak08/FUNNY/MONKEY.gif)

Love this monkey washing the kitty; we have a post on SM with that picture as an avatar.

Love this monkey washing the kitty; we have a post on SM with that picture as an avatar.

 ::MonkeyJnBox::
Here ya go:


http://missingpersons.phpbb3now.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=46&p=381#p381 (http://missingpersons.phpbb3now.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=46&p=381#p381)

It's one of the tidbits I keep coming back to ever since I first read about it.  It brings up all kinds of questions. 

Was Kaine at work the entire morning...not just the time he spent in a meeting...but the entire morning? 

Why wouldn't Kaine/Terri tell LE about it?  Would it mean that Kaine/Terri has something bigger to hide that would get them in a lot of trouble with LE? 

Could this be a reason that Kaine had Terri's back - up to the point in time when LE told him about the alledged MFH plot?

Could this be why Kaine came out from the meeting with LE after work one day all smiles? Because shortly thereafter (correct me if I wrong), it came out that Kaine left the home with Kiara...and...that the alledged MFH plot gave a reason to point the finger at Terri - and Terri alone?  Thereafter, the finger was strongly pointed at Terri.

Oh, You did good Koko's Cat.  I wish there was a way to mark this post so it doesn't get lost.  It is definitely a 'keeper'.

Gee, I wonder who this gal's friend was who died?  xox  xox  xox

 ::MonkeyGavel::

Dear Puzzler,

KH got off work early.  In one of the "Pressers" he conducted he answers that question from a reporter.  I should try to find that clip.  It's weird.  IIRC <--- (is this "if I remember correctly?  Cuz if so, I have a chance to use it!)  IIRC, he said he got off about 11 a.m. (???) and then went home to work.  The reporter asked him something like 'would that be a an unusual day' for him.  And he said it was 'not out of the ordinary', or something.  He became quite rigid and more "shut down" than normal, IMO, at this point in the interview.  I can't remember if they asked him if he saw Terri?!?  But it seems to me (IIRC!) that he hedged a bit and said he didn't see anyone.  He went straight into his home office and shut the door when he got home.  I'm not sure if they asked him about vehicles that may have been parked at the H home.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

As for the rest of your post.... it sums it up nicely, IMO.  The only other thing I would add is this:
Why did he go to the I legal dept so soon after Kyron's disappearance?  IMO, it was because of TH.  He needed a way to bail if she couldn't handle the pressure.  He needed to know about divorce.  And, IMHO, he found out:  he could take Baby K & leave.  No divorce=no custody order=no abduction. 

This is kind of his MO, IMO.  I mean, didn't he and TMH take Kyron from DY? (I haven't seen the interview but someone told me that during an interview DY said to KH, "it almost killed me" [giving up Ky] and he brushed this off.  <---- this part could be rumor, I haven't seen that tape.  However, it may explain why D left Ky with KH and TH, which I have never understood.  Could it have been been because KH wanted him?   He got him.  And he got Baby Kitty.

Another thing, the TRO (temp. restraining order) can only be used to protect the person seeking it.  It does not protect children.  A guardian ad litem would be necessary for that, I believe.  Or, putting her in protective custody.  This is another reason it would be really handy to contact his company's legal department.  They would have advised him of all this. 

What I didn't understand was this:  why wouldn't TH try to see Baby K?  But now my gut tells me this:  TH knows better.  Survival instincts. 

They were both involved in Ky's disappearance, IMHO.  It's just that KH subscribed more quickly to CYA, (or should that be CHA?)  Anyway, all IMO. 

If something happens to TH?  That would be soooo good for KH (and others), IMO.

 ::MonkeyEek::
 ::MonkeyGavel::

The only explanation I could think of that Terri isn't seeing Kiara is she has recieved death threats and couldn't guaranteed Kiara's safety.  Everywhere Terri goes, it's like a mob- the public, the media.  So, I'm inclined to believe it's a safety issue.

The other thing is, it just may be too much for her emotionally and she doesn't want to put Kiara through it either.

(snipped)

What I've read about Desiree is that when she was so ill and had to go to Canada for medical treatment, that Kaine took care of Kyron.  Then when Desiree came back she made a weak attempt to get back both Kyron and her older son (who was with his dad, too).  She did win out in getting either son back.
(Snipped)

I agree, MK.  I think it's a safety issue.  The crowds, the reporters... and.... KH, IMHO. 
::MonkeyTears::

Dear Puzzler,

Yes, KH filing for divorce certainly threw a into TH's legal matters. 
 ::MonkeyDevil::
And, very effectively, it shut her up.  I think it compromised the investigation and search for Kyron, as well. 

I know it's probably true about I. legal dept and their policy.  I think Deenie posted about this (that large companies like that have that kind of protocol.)  However, I can't believe that a caring parent would be thinking of things like that at the time. 

Watch the video I posted, OK? http://www.katu.com/news/local/96033344.html?tab=video (http://www.katu.com/news/local/96033344.html?tab=video)
  There is a good interview with a retired detective who discusses KH and TH's actions and silence during the beginning...
 ::MonkeyEek::

I know, if it were my kid, I would be as he said, "almost dysfunctional" I certainly wouldn't be showing up at work and orchestrating my collegue's SILENCE as such a time.
 ::MonkeyNoNo::

I will make a note to try to find the video of the interview with KH regarding his schedule on June 4.

 ::MonkeyShovel::

Goodnight & take care, Monkeys!

 ::MonkeyAngel::

Cheers,

K. Cat

Think there may be some confusion. I believe Curtis's mother is Kim Holmes...not Becky Owens.

I see Patricia Mocha Latte is not online now, but I do find her post interesting.  I'm trying to put it together as to what it could mean (my mind's not working well tonight as my allergies are bothering me).  Can someone tell me what this all could mean, please?

I just don't know what it is, in all the cases that I have followed, hate to say it, but I make up my mind very early, which I know isn't right to do. For some darn reason, this case has me confused and I'm just not set on Terri harming Kyron, and I couldn't even tell a person why  ::MonkeyNoNo::

If we were to have access to evidence, witnesses, and advanced technology (laboratory tests, computer systems) and had the power to enter and search private properties, give lie detectors to everyone involved, and read minds, we would be better prepared to make precise and informed conclusions relating to the crime.

But, we don't.

We have to do with what comes out on the media, and the hearsays - most of which changes from time to time, and some of it is very inaccurate, as we have seen in this and other cases in the past.

So, going back and forth in theories I think it's good... so all angles are explored and discussed, and no stone is left unturned (using the little resources we got at our disposal.)

:D

So true. It is not a good idea to be looking at a case while having tunnel vision that's for sure. Good post IM.

I just don't know what it is, in all the cases that I have followed, hate to say it, but I make up my mind very early, which I know isn't right to do. For some darn reason, this case has me confused and I'm just not set on Terri harming Kyron, and I couldn't even tell a person why  ::MonkeyNoNo::

I have such a hard time wrapping my head around a mother hurting their child, or any child for that matter......but then I look at Casey Anthony.
I don't want to think Terri directly or indirectly caused harm to Kyron, and hope to God she didn't.

I do admit though,
After learning about this case my initial thoughts were that the perp could have been set off by something as simple as perceiving that they had been cut off in traffic.
I don't know why I thought that but it stuck with me. I still have kept my eyes wide open and will continue to take all clues in to consideration.

I have such a hard time wrapping my head around a mother hurting their child, or any child for that matter......but then I look at Casey Anthony.
I don't want to think Terri directly or indirectly caused harm to Kyron, and hope to God she didn't.

article with Kaine's timeline

http://www.kptv.com/news/24151901/detail.html

Curious...are the teachers and school children on a gag order?  I find it amazing that not one teacher has really come forward.  They are just as silent as Terri.  Was Kaine having an affair or not?  I read statements that it was with a woman named Phylis who worked with him...but they were not verifiable sources.  In regards to Kaine's timeline...is that trustworthy...those are his words.  What has Intel said?  Did he take any breaks?  Did anyone actually see him throughout the day to verify his timeline?  Why are all his coworkers silent?  WHY IS EVERYONE SO QUIET????  Wow!!!  It really is phenomenal!

I quit posting on this case because it was like living a deja vu with Madeleine's case all over again. I already slugged it out with the best worst of the British and Portuguese trolls on the UK Mirror before that was shut down for liability and had no desire to do it all again. In my opinion, there was a lot of liability here, but not for SM, but for those that think they can just post anything they desire on the net and there are no consequences. Oh, that's right, you can be prosecuted in a civil court for malicious slander and spreading rumors and more importantly - destroying someone's character. Terri was never charged and never arrested even though so many are convinced that she is guilty. And even if she is cleared, those same posters may continue to believe that Terri somehow, someway, did it all and outsmarted everyone. They won't accept that Terri could be innocent and that she was the victim to a corrupt police force that could even rope off a crime scene.

Want to know what's gonna be shocking, especially to all you posters that said Terri has man hands, a red chest, fake red hair, let the vampire in, a step monster, pseudo diagnosed; had no knowledge of her personally and had never met, that she looks "creepy" in this picture, her facade is all as fake as her facebook postings and picture, that she "tormented" Kyron, - should I continue? Cause I could ... LOL

Wanna know? - Terri is not gonna face charges, and guess what - as I said, the police blew this case in the first 24 hours because they are incompetent. I said that months ago.

Here's the shocking part, which the police omitted in the last presser - they were singularly focused, and whoever got Kyron is GONE. G O N E.

But wait for it, waiiiit, here it comes. Here's the really shocking part. They shared investigative knowledge with the husband of the suspect. Everyone knows that the police never ever do that and compromised the investigation. Only an inept and incompetent police force uses the husband and ex-wife of the "de-facto suspect" to force her into a situation where she had to move. And feared for her life. Well, the police sure aren't gonna want to admit that, now are they. Heads could roll. By the way, Kaine was LIVING with TERRI when she and DeDe got her batphones... which was a term I always hated. So, again Kaine is the naive husband who knows nothing.

What did they have - NOTHING and they still have nothing. If they did there wouldn't have been Grand Jury and subpoenas. Which was going to be empaneled anyway to hear ALL the cases that the police couldn't solve. That happens in every jurisdiction in the country, not just Portland and not just for Kyron. They do that to make a test run and see if there is enough PROSECUTION evidence and the DEFENSE evidence is not presented. It's all one sided. And as I said to Wyks, you can indict a ham sandwich. But, in this case that wasn't even possible. That's because there isn't any evidence and as a matter of fact there is contrary evidence that says that Terri is not involved.

I started feeling badly that so many actually believed anything the police said (which happened only twice) or implied through Kaine and Desire. What kind of police force uses the parents of a missing child as the pseudo spokespersons? That's a first. And an atrocity. Most of us are brought up to believe the police and trust them, and that's where they misused their authority.

It's a shame that so many over looked the time line and placed Terri at two places at once. But what's worse is the police - knowing this weeks or months before any of you - allowed the rumors to continue and spread like wild fire.  I guess they were hoping that someone would take justice into their own hands and the police could wash their hands of their own incompetency mess. When a few figured out that Terri couldn't be in two places at once, that's when they decided that Terri invited a monster in. She had to be involved and they were too emotionally invested.

Maybe, just maybe, Terri did it. I don't think she did, but that's because I wasn't singularly focused. I don't know because I wasn't there. But I do know it didn't happen like what has been presented to date. I also think that the police DID uncover additional information that points in another direction but it was too late to backtrack. So, it will be solved in ten years when "independent eyes" bring the closure that so many seek. Why ruin everyone's lives now and kick people off the force? Let that happen in a decade. That's how malfeasance and incompetency is handled these days.

And what about this lil' school of charms. Wouldn't the police try to protect them from future lawsuits (their part of the same small theocracy) - which should have been coming until Kaine said is was a safe school before and safer now. How could he even say that - his kid was stolen for that exact school.

Well, it's a strange lil world in Portland and I hope and pray that Kyron is found, really I do. But, it's gonna take the Hand of God to make this case right, but miracles still happen.

One last thing - if someone screams arrest imminent again, I'll scream.  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Edit to add missing ital. bracket.  MB

It never ceases to amaze me what will set someone off and they violently beat or kill someone. Road rage is a scary thing, living in So Ca I know, and you just don't know what may set a person off, you read about it all the time, silly things to you and I perhaps but for some people they just get violent.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Maybe the teachers have not said anything in order not to compromise the investigation.

If Kaine were having an affair, LE would check for any ties to the Kyron investigation. I think someone from Terri's camp put that info out, so I throw it in with some of their other wild statements.

Intel knows where Kaine was. LE knows where Kaine was. Kaine knows were Kaine was. Kaine's computers can verify some of his timeline. I can only assume the timeline is the same for all.

Maybe his coworkers have not said anything in order not to compromise the investigation. They were not at the school unless they had a child attending there, so I don't know what they would have to add.

I think it is great that people are not blabbing to the press, usually in order to gain personal attention in the spotlight. If they have anything to say, LE would be happy to listen.

There are several possibilities on what happened to Kyron. Terri has received attention because her published but not verified timeline and actions are questionable, but that does not prove she is guilty of anything. Terri's "friends" have not helped by throwing out speculations and outright lies about others in order to defend Terri.

What the press puts out and what the jury hears in a court case are two different things. The press has been very good about keeping Kyron in the public's eye, and I hope it continues to do so, but I don't need partial leaks and personal speculations to keep the story going.

Puzzler - in response to Rob's two places at one time - Nope I am confused as to what he is talking about?

supposedly the ping on SI and supposedly TH claims she was not there?  Maybe that is it?

Maybe the teachers have not said anything in order not to compromise the investigation.

If Kaine were having an affair, LE would check for any ties to the Kyron investigation. I think someone from Terri's camp put that info out, so I throw it in with some of their other wild statements.

Intel knows where Kaine was. LE knows where Kaine was. Kaine knows were Kaine was. Kaine's computers can verify some of his timeline. I can only assume the timeline is the same for all.

Maybe his coworkers have not said anything in order not to compromise the investigation. They were not at the school unless they had a child attending there, so I don't know what they would have to add.

I think it is great that people are not blabbing to the press, usually in order to gain personal attention in the spotlight. If they have anything to say, LE would be happy to listen.

There are several possibilities on what happened to Kyron. Terri has received attention because her published but not verified timeline and actions are questionable, but that does not prove she is guilty of anything. Terri's "friends" have not helped by throwing out speculations and outright lies about others in order to defend Terri.

What the press puts out and what the jury hears in a court case are two different things. The press has been very good about keeping Kyron in the public's eye, and I hope it continues to do so, but I don't need partial leaks and personal speculations to keep the story going.

I just don't know what it is, in all the cases that I have followed, hate to say it, but I make up my mind very early, which I know isn't right to do. For some darn reason, this case has me confused and I'm just not set on Terri harming Kyron, and I couldn't even tell a person why  ::MonkeyNoNo::

I believe it was posted previously, if an employee runs into some legal matters, weither it be personal or criminal, they are to notify Intel's legal dept. immediately.

The Sauvie Island resident that reported seeing a white truck and red mustang with the RDSQRL license driving wildly - could it be that the person who took Kyron contacted Kaine/Terri?

Hi, MK!

I know what you mean, and I understand that employees may have had corporate policy pounded into their heads.

With all due respect, however, if I couldn't find my son?  I would not be pawing through the handbook to decide what to do next.

 ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyEek::  ::MonkeyMad::

Dear Rose,
 
    IMO, there has been so little information forthcoming that sometimes all you have are your instincts. 
    In this case, probably as in most others, this is an important key and not to be overlooked.  Especially in Kyron's case, what else do we have? (see below) 
    Also... I like to think about this:  motive/motivation, and: simplicity.  Every action or statement is motivated by something.
    And, this was a crisis.  There was no time for complexity.  The answer will be the simplest one, IMO.   

FACTS:

We have witness reports.
We have death alerts (uninvestigated by LE)
We have time and place and statements and actions by those involved. 

I have such a hard time wrapping my head around a mother hurting their child, or any child for that matter......but then I look at Casey Anthony.
I don't want to think Terri directly or indirectly caused harm to Kyron, and hope to God she didn't.

Why are you saying death alerts uninvestigated by LE is a fact?

WE do not know for a fact that LE hasn't investigated these so called death alerts, or not. I don't consider statements by Mr. HO as FACTS, if that's where your info is coming from. He is not LE, and has no official status in the investigation of Kyron's disappearance.
Has LE released any witness reports to the public?

In our "Crimes Against Children, Elderly and the Disabled" http://Scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?board=9.0 , there are a number of cases where mothers, fathers, relatives, caregivers and etc. have hurt or killed a child/children or they are suspected of disappearing them, and if you check some of the high profile cases, you will find some in there too.   Sometimes parents don't report children missing and if they do, it's months later, or they say they gave them to a stranger.   There are so many, many more cases out there, there wouldn't be a forum big enough for even the worst cases.  I add a case to that forum from time to time, but I come across so many where children are abused, I would have to just work in that forum alone to update.  And there are times I just don't have the heart to post still another terrible, tortuous thing a parent or relative has done to a child.  I don't know why a parent would harm or kill a child but they will and they do.  Sometimes they single out one child sometimes it's all the children.  It's heartbreaking.  It may be hard to wrap one's head around a mother harming a child, which can  include torture, selling or trading a child for drugs so some perv can have sex with their child, and murder but it happens.  It's not always a crime of lower income or drug users.  And I believe there is a lot that happens to children behind closed doors and we may never know about the abuse children face.   ::MonkeyNoNo::  Casey Anthony is but one case in so many.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

And the absolute unfairness in my eyes where some kids get all the attention in the media, while other kids that are missing get a second or no attention whatsoever in the media. Makes me ill, it is like some kids are more important than other kids.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Hi no rose! I have to agree with you. I don't know why some kids seem to "click" with the media so that there is a lot of coverage and others don't, but all missing children deserve everyone's focused attention. The media can play such an important role in bringing a case to resolution and it's absolutely true that the shot given to each child, varies.

Good morning, Monkeys!

In the sentence above that I highlighted in blue, Rob speaks of the timeline putting Terri two places at once.  Does anyone know what the two places at the same time are?

Rage is an emotion that is always present in our emotional repertoire, but that eventually as we age we have more control of.

Just, either caused by disease or biological make-up, for some people that never happens.

NBC had the John Gardner story on Dateline this past weekend, and at the end they showed how rage works with psychopaths like him.

During the sentencing hearing testimonies, JG looked down and grim.

But, when the girl that had hit him on the nose and got away was testifying, at the end, she mockingly asked him, "by the way,  how's your nose?"

All of a sudden JG's whole expression changed.

His lips tensed and got thinner, his eyes focused up and became sorta cross-eyed. He turned to his lawyer and said, "she didn't hit me."

He stirred in his seat as if he was seating over a just-disturbed mound of red-hot fire ants. He said, "she's saying that for publicity."

It was clear he was boiling mad... over a simple tease...

We don't really know what REALLY happened in the KH's case, but many of our theories involve rage and revenge.

If that's the case, the problem in not only KH's case, but in many others, is that some people who become rage killers lead a very normal life and many close relations would swear over a Bible that the suspect would NEVER hurt anyone else.

Of course, in many cases the evidence speaks louder than the well-intended good-willed testimonies.

It could just be known or a suggestion/reminder from his supervisor initiated it.

I work in semi-large software company and we have had similar emails circulate when something happens that puts the company in the public eye. We have had a fellow worker go missing/found dead in a nearby city over a weekend and a very similar (but not as thorough) email circualted.. asking us not to make a comment and that a certain person will handle all media requests. - Granted it wasn't an ongoing investigation and it was deemed accidental from the start. (Drinking and fell into the river)

I think the company wanted a unified position in the media and that random people in various groups that may or may not know the person shouldn't be contacting the media to speak because it isn't their job to speak on behalf of the company as a whole and that it could be misrepresented or misunderstood that 1 persons answers represent the company as a whole.

However.. this is just dealing with the media. It's not like the company or individuals are telling people not to comply with or contact police if they have pertinent information about an individual.

And the absolute unfairness in my eyes where some kids get all the attention in the media, while other kids that are missing get a second or no attention whatsoever in the media. Makes me ill, it is like some kids are more important than other kids.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

This is a big issue for me too.  The talking heads seem to think it's because some cases the media latches onto and and some they don't. 

If that's the reasoning, I think it is appalling. 

Not that I don't think Kyron's case deserves the funding and the resources put into his investigation, I do, I also believe there are a lot of other children who are missing and equally deserving of the same funding and resources alloted to locate them.

Unfortunately, the various states and local government agencies don't have these resources.  However, looking at it across the board, MCSO made a wise decision by shifting the financial responsibility to some of the other departments within the region.

Why more agencies don't do this is beyond me.

::rhino:: CBB
Not to mention " Kyron's" case has had more twists and turns ..and add the MFH plot, the RO's the people speculated ..it became much more of " Interest" to media to gain profits by putting Kyron out to the world.. sensationalism.. at its finest.

Just like you said, CBB ..like Casey Anthony's case.. it became so much more than Caylee.

 

And I also think Kyron's case is in the media more then some is because he disappeared from the school, and certainly you don't see such a thing happen very often, most people think that once your child is in school he/she is safe and usually don't think your child will disappear once they are safe in school.

IDK if this was posted yet...sorry if duplicate.

http://www.portlandtribune.com/news/story.php?story_id=128569864939590200


Kyron’s family supports investigation task force
Early October fundraiser will benefit family foundation
By Jim Redden

article snipped for space (http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/little-red-scissors.gif)

TG Hiya

I don't want to go back to rehash. But the words of Tanner .. he said " the Substitute"
Terri said Kyron was last seen walking with the " Male Chaperone" that no males were on the list for the Science Fair, volunteers/chaparones ( and Kyron was with the Male and two girls) ...... which still makes no sense to me? If I saw my son walking with a UN-known Man and it was during all the hubbub within the school..I would walk up and introduce myself.
Unless Terri had an afterthought? when she wrote her emails on the 5th ?
I don't know what to think. 

Was there a " Man" floating around the hallways that day ? impersonating himself as someone involved within the science fair? or staff?  or is it speculative hearsay ?
Its to the point you want to do this  :2brickwall:

You got it NRCG! Now try to remember back to a news story regarding his gone missing from the school? All we hear about is Terri and crew. Regardless of peoples opinions, the school was responsible for him once he stepped on school grounds, even with a parent. If he had taken a bus, the school becomes responsible for him when he steps on the bus. I would like to hear the schools explanation of why and how Kyron was taken from his school, even by his step mom, if that is the case. 
 

I so agree, the school definitely has responsibility in this case, IMO.  If I had a child in that school, she would not have been going back for this new school session, that I'm sure of.

IIRC Kaine stated he left work at Intel at approx. 1:45pm. He arrived home at approx. 2:00pm. (he stated it's about a 15 minute drive from Intel to home)

I'm not sure where the "11:00am" story is coming from. I have never any reports of Kaine arriving back home even remotely close to 11 o'clock that morning.

Here's a great timeline if anyone is interested....

http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2010/09/07/kyron-horman-case-timeline/

http://www.thehinkymeter.com/Library/KH/khtimeline.pdf

The girls could have been a pedo's lure or his children. I think I am trying not to discount everything that comes out of Terri's mouth.

I wrote a post out yesterday and asked the question about a man on Kaines facebook who has a criminal past. Nobody answered, does anyone know anything about this man? From what I gather he lives here in California now but for a time lived in WA and Oregon. I am told he was arrested for indecent exposure and a possible child molestation? I have not confirmed this personally. Anyone know anything about this?

Wasn't this originated in an email by TH herself?  She implies "he was seen" not that she saw him with this man.  If this was the case, I would expect these 2 girls to come forward and say "YES, Kyron was in a group with us and this man".  I don't think that has happened.

Why are you saying death alerts uninvestigated by LE is a fact?

WE do not know for a fact that LE hasn't investigated these so called death alerts, or not. I don't consider statements by Mr. HO as FACTS, if that's where your info is coming from. He is not LE, and has no official status in the investigation of Kyron's disappearance.
Has LE released any witness reports to the public?

[snipped]
Many police departments don’t like him, says Oakes, and don’t use him. But in this case he waived his fee, did some background work, showed the dog some of Ashley’s clothing, and went to work.

    Harry Oakes, private investigator: The track led from the apartment complex up the road, the staircase, to Ward’s property.

That name again.

Harry, with his Valerie now excited and on the chase, knocked at Weaver’s door and asked for permission to search the house.

    Harry Oakes: He said, “I don’t have any problem with you searching, they’ve already brought in 7 different search dog teams. I have nothing to hide.” During the search of the house she gave me a death alert of Ashley’s scent in Ward’s hallway.

    Morrison: Did Valerie alert anywhere else?

    Oakes: Yes. When we went outside to the back area, there was a slab that had been poured.

    Morrison: A concrete slab?

    Oakes: A concrete slab. And where the slab met with the grass, the dirt where they came together, my dog was smelling Ashley’s scent coming out of there.

    Morrison: Did you call 911?

    Oakes: I made a report and turned it into Oregon City police department.

A record of Harry’s report shows it was indeed turned in to police on March 20th, less than two weeks after Miranda disappeared.

    Morrison: Was there any reaction from the police?

    Oakes: They basically ignored us.

    Morrison: What about the FBI?

    Oakes: Ignored us.

I'm not arguing or anything, but when my two girls were little and the bus dropped them off at school, they would get there early and school hadn't started yet, so while they were at their lockers and stuff the school wasn't responsible for them? Also I wouldn't have thought anything of leaving my child at the school after looking at the science projects, I would have done what Terri did, said goodbye and went about my day. Never would the thought that someone would take my kid once they were in the school like that.

I'd think any school would be responsible for the safety of students when they are on school property when the school is open and they had business there.

JMO though.

I'd think any school would be responsible for the safety of students when they are on school property when the school is open and they had business there.

JMO though.

I'd think any school would be responsible for the safety of students when they are on school property when the school is open and they had business there.

JMO though.

That is how I would think it should be.

When I was younger (much younger :) I was suspended for smoking while I was walking home from school. No where near the school a teacher went by and saw me and the next day I was called into the office and suspended. My mom fought it even though she was really mad at me. We had a hearing before the superintendent of schools. He said that the law stated that from the minute a student stepped on school property until the time they walked in the door after school that the school was liable. Needless to say my mother got a copy of the law and it stated step on and step off (riding a bus is still considered school). They had to forgive my suspension and any work that I missed during the time. That was in Ohio and many moons ago so I am not sure what the law is now.

All of this conversation about smoking and schools reminds me of the time in high school when my principal called me aside and asked me if I had any cigarettes with me. Scared me to death since there was a pack in my purse. He told me to relax. He had run out of cigarettes and wanted some. He got them, and I never told.
 ::monkeywine2::

Sorry hit enter too soon. Wondered if before 9 a.m. on that day was considered an unsupervised time.

Sorry hit enter too soon. Wondered if before 9 a.m. on that day was considered an unsupervised time.

That is what I would say also StarMonkey. No supervision, no liability.

A very warm welcome to you!

Hi Lenie, I thought alot about your question. If Kyrons Class did role call at 10:00 that would say to me that they were not supervising the children because they had not accounted for them yet.

here is an artical re the timeline (they actually update the timeline and keep it current to date)



http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/kyron_horman_chronology_of_eve.html

Friday, June 4

8 a.m. Skyline Elementary, 11536 N.W. Skyline Blvd., opens early so students and parents can tour the science fair. A billboard outside reads: "June 4, I.B. Inquiry Expo, 8-10, Talent show, 1-2:45." Kyron was to take part in both the expo/science fair and the talent show.

Terri Moulton Horman arrives shortly afterward with her stepson, Kyron.

8:15 a.m. Gina Zimmerman, president of the school PTA, arrives and sees Kyron with his stepmother in front of his exhibit.

8:45 a.m. Terri Horman leaves after watching Kyron walk toward his classroom after touring the science fair.

9 a.m. Kyron is reportedly seen by a student near the south entrance of the school, according to Sheriff Dan Staton, who says that was the last time the boy was seen. Multnomah County authorities later backtrack on that statement.

10 a.m. Classes begin.

At some point, Kyron's homeroom teacher, Kristina Porter, reports him absent.

PS: Thank you Klaas for approving me and allowing me to join!

I'd think any school would be responsible for the safety of students when they are on school property when the school is open and they had business there.

JMO though.

* subtracting speculations of TH's dealings or non dealings -
*If your child was reported missing as Kyron is/was " June 4th" approx bet 4pm-5pm that you would be able to declare " Yes, he is not lost as in " got on the wrong bus" or went home with another student .. (but he is def MISSING as in possibly kidnapped etc) .. All LE is notified within your local area.

What would be your priorities? " #1 Finding Your Child ", and Calling upon those that you know to help Find him, and support you and your family" ... I would think.. If I were able to rip myself out of Shock ..  but then when crisis hits " adrenaline kicks in" for most people ... and they find " focus and energy" .. some not all.

My thoughts on TH writing emails on June 5th ..is complex in many ways... The only thing I can think of it was the " evening of June 5th" and Terri was reading on her local news sites and felt compelled to defend herself.. so she wrote to  " Katu/source" ..

What is so **disturbing to me is within her " written words" ... ( understanding that these are snips taken from her email/emails, not her full email) - shame on the media if they cherry picked her words for sensationalism- and left out " if she wrote them" her words of I want my Kyron home, I miss him, Love Him)
   
**Disturbing IF She felt so compelled to Write to a Katu source " IF" her only reason was to write to a source - was to Defend herself. Her person on June 5th, her character should be the last thing of her concerns.. I would think. She was obviously posting on her facebook and was receiving support from many people.

If her reason to write to Katu/Source was to Ask them for Help, Or ask them " Do You know Anything that WE the Horman Family have not been Told by LE? " or have you heard anything or I want you to know "WE" have set this up for Kyron ..a search yadda thing..that would be entirely different.

But the way this " Email" sent on June 5th is portrayed on the Katu site, it is far from TH asking for assistance, finding Kyron or news updates ..

It is for Terri to redeem herself and create or substantiate what happened on June 4th within her words..Which again would be fine if " Kyron " was the focus. Her focus seems to be " I have to Defend Myself " ..again at this time " June 5th" who was pointing fingers at her that she Felt so strongly she needed to go there. That she felt so crucified ? Was it the Locals in her area? Who? strange. Why would she care? honestly. Nothing was known by the public or anyone truly within the media.. on June 5th.
 ::MonkeyNoNo:: throwing outs thoughts .. idk what to think any more.
Not so sure about the old adage " No news is good news, when it comes to Kyron".
 
 

 

Sorry hit enter too soon. Wondered if before 9 a.m. on that day was considered an unsupervised time.

Hi Lenie, I thought alot about your question. If Kyrons Class did role call at 10:00 that would say to me that they were not supervising the children because they had not accounted for them yet.

here is an artical re the timeline (they actually update the timeline and keep it current to date)



http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/kyron_horman_chronology_of_eve.html

Friday, June 4

8 a.m. Skyline Elementary, 11536 N.W. Skyline Blvd., opens early so students and parents can tour the science fair. A billboard outside reads: "June 4, I.B. Inquiry Expo, 8-10, Talent show, 1-2:45." Kyron was to take part in both the expo/science fair and the talent show.

Terri Moulton Horman arrives shortly afterward with her stepson, Kyron.

8:15 a.m. Gina Zimmerman, president of the school PTA, arrives and sees Kyron with his stepmother in front of his exhibit.

8:45 a.m. Terri Horman leaves after watching Kyron walk toward his classroom after touring the science fair.

9 a.m. Kyron is reportedly seen by a student near the south entrance of the school, according to Sheriff Dan Staton, who says that was the last time the boy was seen. Multnomah County authorities later backtrack on that statement.

10 a.m. Classes begin.

At some point, Kyron's homeroom teacher, Kristina Porter, reports him absent.



PS: Thank you Klaas for approving me and allowing me to join!

Hello Monkeys...long time lurker, first time poster since it took awhile to get approved. (A special TY to MK for help)  ::MonkeyKiss::

I wanted to say hello and commend you all on your diligence on this case, throwing out ideas and working together, with very little known evidence, to try and help find Ky.

I don't know the family, but have been following closely since that fateful day, from about 100 miles away.

There is just SO much that does not ring true in this whole melodrama, and I hope that with sleuths like all of you, we will have answers soon!   

Hello All,   Does anyone know when exactly Skyline Elem put up the announcement of the Science Fair?  Just wondering how long that invitation was was up for the general public.  Also, in the begining of this case, it was reported there was a Carnival in town the week Kyron disappeared.  I am on my cell at the moment, can someone pick this up and see what you can find out.  TIA, MK

Hello Monkeys...long time lurker, first time poster since it took awhile to get approved. (A special TY to MK for help)  ::MonkeyKiss::

I wanted to say hello and commend you all on your diligence on this case, throwing out ideas and working together, with very little known evidence, to try and help find Ky.

I don't know the family, but have been following closely since that fateful day, from about 100 miles away.

There is just SO much that does not ring true in this whole melodrama, and I hope that with sleuths like all of you, we will have answers soon!   

Thank you for warm welcome - is there a particular forum where we should introduce ourselves?  If someone could point me in that direction, TYIA

MK photo provided by CrankyCrankerson " our unknown vigilante photo keeper on photobucket" who I give props to. Hope this helps
(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Kyron%20Horman%20%20-OR-/6610sign.jpg)

Oh...and something else; I did not buy the MFH plot from the moment it was introduced, and that whole thing, with Kaine turning his back on TH and taking Kitty out of the household, put a really bad taste in my mouth.

I think back to the first PC...and how some people have said "she looks guilty!".  I would task anyone to tell how THEY would react, ON TV, in a PC?  I'm sorry, but I would be nervous and would probably really not want to be there.  I was not the least bit impressed with KH during that presser, myself...I was most impressed by Tony actually, but of course, he was used to this type of thing.  Terri looked sufficiently distressed to me, not "how the hell am I going to get out of this?"....sorry if others don't agree.

Oh...and something else; I did not buy the MFH plot from the moment it was introduced, and that whole thing, with Kaine turning his back on TH and taking Kitty out of the household, put a really bad taste in my mouth.

I think back to the first PC...and how some people have said "she looks guilty!".  I would task anyone to tell how THEY would react, ON TV, in a PC?  I'm sorry, but I would be nervous and would probably really not want to be there.  I was not the least bit impressed with KH during that presser, myself...I was most impressed by Tony actually, but of course, he was used to this type of thing.  Terri looked sufficiently distressed to me, not "how the hell am I going to get out of this?"....sorry if others don't agree.

Thank you for warm welcome - is there a particular forum where we should introduce ourselves?  If someone could point me in that direction, TYIA

Oh...and something else; I did not buy the MFH plot from the moment it was introduced, and that whole thing, with Kaine turning his back on TH and taking Kitty out of the household, put a really bad taste in my mouth.

I think back to the first PC...and how some people have said "she looks guilty!".  I would task anyone to tell how THEY would react, ON TV, in a PC?  I'm sorry, but I would be nervous and would probably really not want to be there.  I was not the least bit impressed with KH during that presser, myself...I was most impressed by Tony actually, but of course, he was used to this type of thing.  Terri looked sufficiently distressed to me, not "how the hell am I going to get out of this?"....sorry if others don't agree.

OK Monkeys...it's bedtime for Bonzo here...thank you very much for accepting me into your community!  ::MonkeySlide::

I hope that I can help in some way, along the journey of finding this little boy!

I'll be back in the morning, and generally lurk most of the day  ::MonkeyCool::

I wonder if Terri's looks went the past few months because she and Kaine were having problems in the marriage and she was depressed over that?

Could be,  but I don't think that was it. Because she was pregnant, had Kiara and snapped back and looked GREAT and then she fell apart slowly after this new year 2010.. from her Birthday in March 2010 - to early June when Kyron went poof..she looks like a different woman ...just in those few months. Something happened I do agree with that.
If she found out Kaine was having an affair would she slide down hill " in appearance" so drastically that she would " age" in her looks in a short period of time? Aging comes from " stress and worry" .. and it leaves road maps on one's face, no matter how old the person is.
Puzzler I have no answers .. I wish I did. 
I am glad your here, I so look forward to your posts. 

 

So are you of the impression that LE is way off base and lied to Kaine about the MFH and the rest?  What about the sexting Terri has done? Personally I feel Terri is guilty I'm just not sure to what degree but I believe she is the reason Kyron is missing.

We do disagree, but that's OK.   ::MonkeyCool::

I am willing to question the MFH plot, but I can never get around her having the truck to bring home science project that was left at school. She had from 10:00 a.m. until the end of school to pick up the project but never did. She could have picked up both the project and Kyron at the end of the school day. If she knew Kyron was no longer at the school, she might not want to be there to pick up the project and have someone realize Kyron was missing. Something does not add.

Maybe it's one of those simple things.  She took the truck to get the project that morning and found out she couldn't take it until after the science fair was over.  There were functions with outsiders invited to attend until 2:45 p.m.  I would think that parents who couldn't come in the morning, but did come in the afternoon for the talent show, might have wanted to see the science projects then.  Teri left and after she returned home, she sent an email to the teacher around 1:30 (if memory serves me correctly), inquiring as to when she could pick up the project.

It is a question to me why Kyron wasn't picked up after school, along with the project, expecially since Kaine was home, too.  Instead, the family walks down the 1/4 mile long drive to meet Kyron on the bus.  Huh? 

Deenie, did you see the recent post of the link to short video of a reporter catching Terri and Kaine coming out of the gym?  The reporter was asking about Kyron.  Not a peep out of either one of them.  Through my eyes, I saw Terri give a quick little glance at Kaine and it was like she quickly assessed Kaine and immediately went for the car door.  Boy.  That's another thing that hit me as odd.  Like the memo Kaine wrote was odd to me; Kaine seemed detached. This encounter with the reporter was strange, too.  Detached.   But the Terri thing - seemd to me like she was used to having to follow Kaine's lead.  Told me something about the dynamics between Kaine/Terri.

I think the clue to that would be in what the teacher emailed Terri. 

It's very possible the teacher still had to grade the projects and they wouldn't be ready for pick up until the following week(?) 

I know it was very close to the end of the school term, but I remember my own kids and their projects, sometimes they wanted to display them in the library after they were graded.

One teacher asked if she could keep the project.

It is a question to me why Kyron wasn't picked up after school, along with the project, expecially since Kaine was home, too.  Instead, the family walks down the 1/4 mile long drive to meet Kyron on the bus.  Huh? 

Good point. 

Deenie,

Did you see the post above from MonkeyKing...makes a lot of sense to me.  What do you think?

That would have been discussed " I would think at one time" prior to within the parents?
If you do not want to pick up your childs display we do have a place in the library or ? to show them ..
somewhere within all, there is a total breakdown or lack there of communication ..
and or someone not telling the " truth" or the real deal ..within the late night of June 3 up until mid day of June 4th..
its not that complicated to really understand, I say that with words of a soft voice, not pointing at anyone .. it's like one knowing 2+2 equals 4.. but every time its equated with Kyron its 2+2 = 7 or put in any number, that is not equal to 4 ..and what has been said does not compute... sigh.
 

Kyron went to school, science fair, talent show.  (Allegedly Kaine said they were going to play Wii and possibly go get ice cream after school)  Terri was going to pick up science project (so Kyron could show Desiree), emailed the teacher about it.........Wait a minute! 

When Terri emailed the teacher, WHY DIDN'T THE TEACHER ASK HOW KYRON'S DR APPT WENT?  IF SHE REALLY BELIEVED KYRON WENT TO THE DR THAT MORNING???

Kyron went to school, science fair, talent show.  (Allegedly Kaine said they were going to play Wii and possibly go get ice cream after school)  Terri was going to pick up science project (so Kyron could show Desiree), emailed the teacher about it.........Wait a minute! 

When Terri emailed the teacher, WHY DIDN'T THE TEACHER ASK HOW KYRON'S DR APPT WENT?  IF SHE REALLY BELIEVED KYRON WENT TO THE DR THAT MORNING???

Terri emailed the teacher during the time the teacher would be busy with the talent show and not checking her emails. Coincidence?

I don't think they were planning to drive to meet Desiree until after normal office hours and perhaps heavy drive time. Desiree had a job that did not give her the flexible at-home hours like Kaine's. By leaving at about the same time, they would arrive at the mid-point about the same time.

Even more reason to question the emails. 

Apparently Ms Porter answered the email as Terri didn't go back to the school to pick up the project.  Therefore, someone else was watching the class while Ms Porter was back in her room on the computer.

What makes you say Ms. Porter answered the email? I wasn't aware of that. I don't know that she had assistance in the classroom that afternoon. When would she even have time to check her emails between the end of the talent show and the end of school. If she did see the email, she may have ignored it because she knew Terri was aware of when the project would be available for pickup and was just being a pest.

I'm adding the "pest" part because Terri would complain to Desiree about Ms. Porter and comment that she (Terri) would be a better teacher. With that attitude, she probably would constantly nitpick with Ms. Porter. Since Terri was not one of the parents assisting with the Science Fair, I have wondered if her assistance was declined.

During the course of the school day, after Ms Porter marked Kyron absent for the day, I'm sure she had to notice Kyron's coat and backpack on his desk.  Unless she was blind- have we any indication she was visually impaired?  No, didn't think so. 

So, seeing Kyron's coat and backpack on his desk, and getting the email from his stepmother about his project, this didn't make the teacher wonder where this child was? 

The teacher was alerted to Kyron being missing by Tanner, he wasnt there at attendance, wasn't there at lunch.  Kyron's coat and backpack still sat on his desk.  The email from his stepmother- another time Kyron was mentioned to this woman.  And, it being a Friday and he didn't come back for his coat or backpack.  Wouldn't she figure he needed his coat for the weekend?

Hi Monkey King!  We were talking about the backpack and coat a couple of days ago.  They weren't actually on his desk.  The kids have hooks on the wall where they hang their backpacks and coats.  Because it was hanging there with others and because the day was so busy, I don't imagine the teacher noticed.

Kyron went to school, science fair, talent show.  (Allegedly Kaine said they were going to play Wii and possibly go get ice cream after school)  Terri was going to pick up science project (so Kyron could show Desiree), emailed the teacher about it.........Wait a minute! 

When Terri emailed the teacher, WHY DIDN'T THE TEACHER ASK HOW KYRON'S DR APPT WENT?  IF SHE REALLY BELIEVED KYRON WENT TO THE DR THAT MORNING???

Here you go, Monkey King!

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Hi MK!  Someone came up with a photo of the room and the backpacks and coats were hanging on the wall.  I will see if I can find it.

Also, when teachers have highly stressful, extremely busy days like that day, they might not be checking email.  IMO, scheduling two major activities in one day, like the school did, wasn't a very good move on the part of the administration.  That way, the kids stayed hyped-up all day instead of just part of it.

Besides, we really don't know all of the particulars.  These are just a part of many things LE has not told us.

Weren't the science projects on the students desk?
How could backpacks and coats be on their desks?
Coats and backpacks were hanging on hooks in the room.

As far as the email goes, we have no confirmation whether Ms. Porter emailed Terri back or not.
According to Kaine, Terri took the truck that morning to bring the project home after the science fair. His understanding was Terri was to take the project at 10:00am when the science fair was over. She left before 10:00 for reasons unknown. I don't have the link, but there is an interview with Kaine discussing this.

I'm sure Terri was asked why she didn't bring the project home, and I'd love to hear her reason why she didn't.

Hello All,   Does anyone know when exactly Skyline Elem put up the announcement of the Science Fair?  Just wondering how long that invitation was was up for the general public.  Also, in the begining of this case, it was reported there was a Carnival in town the week Kyron disappeared.  I am on my cell at the moment, can someone pick this up and see what you can find out.  TIA, MK

Thank you Brandi!

I must say that I am in the camp of an abduction other than a family member. 

I know that TH's silence, lawyering up, etc., is suspicious, but holy cow, if I had been placed in that situation, where everyone was thinking that I had something to do with it, I probably would have done the same.

My understanding of the polygraphs is that she did not "fail", they were inconclusive.  If I could provide a link to support that statement, I would, but I do recall seeing that.  And as others here have said, the statements that she "failed", came from KH and DY, not LE.

I'm sorry that I don't recall who posted this just a few days ago, about being a SAHM, and being very busy with their children's activities - that they would have been hard pressed to detail, to the minute, even the day before - but I agree with this.  I was not a SAHM when my kids were young, but during off-work hours, I couldn't have accounted for every hour where it concerned the various errands I ran, activities I took them too, etc.

Yes, I think TH is hiding something, but I don't think it has to do with Kyron...I think it might have to do with something else, drug or lifestyle-related.

One thing I've seen over and over, where both TH and DS are concerned, are statements saying "she is not cooperating".  Well, if nothing can be contributed that can help the investigation, how is that not cooperating?  Just because they are not making statements that LE wants to hear, that doesn't mean they are not cooperating.  If TH sincerely has no idea what happened to Kyron after she left him at 8:45, how is her silence in the matter "not cooperating"?

I am on the fence regarding everyone involved here, until more information is released.  I DO, however, think that LE has made some big blunders along the way, which they are not willing to admit.  It is really sad, because discovery, or recovery, of a little boy hangs in the balance. *sigh*

Thank you Brandi!

I must say that I am in the camp of an abduction other than a family member. 

I know that TH's silence, lawyering up, etc., is suspicious, but holy cow, if I had been placed in that situation, where everyone was thinking that I had something to do with it, I probably would have done the same.

My understanding of the polygraphs is that she did not "fail", they were inconclusive.  If I could provide a link to support that statement, I would, but I do recall seeing that.  And as others here have said, the statements that she "failed", came from KH and DY, not LE.

I'm sorry that I don't recall who posted this just a few days ago, about being a SAHM, and being very busy with their children's activities - that they would have been hard pressed to detail, to the minute, even the day before - but I agree with this.  I was not a SAHM when my kids were young, but during off-work hours, I couldn't have accounted for every hour where it concerned the various errands I ran, activities I took them too, etc.

Yes, I think TH is hiding something, but I don't think it has to do with Kyron...I think it might have to do with something else, drug or lifestyle-related.

One thing I've seen over and over, where both TH and DS are concerned, are statements saying "she is not cooperating".  Well, if nothing can be contributed that can help the investigation, how is that not cooperating?  Just because they are not making statements that LE wants to hear, that doesn't mean they are not cooperating.  If TH sincerely has no idea what happened to Kyron after she left him at 8:45, how is her silence in the matter "not cooperating"?

I am on the fence regarding everyone involved here, until more information is released.  I DO, however, think that LE has made some big blunders along the way, which they are not willing to admit.  It is really sad, because discovery, or recovery, of a little boy hangs in the balance. *sigh*

I hate to say it, Seeme, but Kaine saying it doesn't make it truth anymore than Terri not saying it makes it an untruth.

this picture struck me - I am wondering if anyone is on my wavelength?

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