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Title: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 - 10/24/10
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on September 25, 2010, 11:47:23 PM
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JUSTICE FOR NATALEE AND STEPHANY!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849
Post by: Bearlyhere on October 06, 2010, 11:55:17 PM


Today we are one day closer to justice for Natalee and Stephany.

 ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849
Post by: klaasend on October 07, 2010, 12:42:54 AM
http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2010/10/joran-van-der-sloot-caught-video-drug-sting

Joran van der Sloot Caught On Video In Drug Sting Joran van der Sloot Caught On Video In Drug Sting

Posted on Oct 06, 2010


In a scene reminiscent of HBO's Oz, a shirtless and imprisoned Joran van der Sloot is seen haggling with a drug dealer in a video obtained by CNN affiliate America TV, RadarOnline.com has learned.

In the clip, which was shot in August, Van der Sloot is standing around his protective custody cell, when the dealer asks him if he'd be interested in buying pot.

The vendor said, "I have marijuana, are you buying? Oe, Oe, Oe gringo! Gringo Van der Sloot," to which van der Sloot replied, "Can you sell it to me for five soles?"


Van der Sloot's lawyer Maximo Altez told In Session the incident was "staged" and that he's "asked the National Correctional Institute to conduct an investigation" in connection with the exchange.

Bruno Guzman, a spokesman for Lima’s Castro Castro prison -- where van der Sloot is staying as he awaits trial -- told In Session officials are investigating the matter.

The 23-year-old Dutchman is in the Peruvian prison in connection with accusations he killed 21-year-old Stephany Ramirez Flores May 30, five years to the day of the 2005 disappearance of Alabama teenager Natalee Holloway in Aruba, which thrust the Dutch playboy into the headlines.



Did we know this happened way back in August?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849
Post by: wreck on October 07, 2010, 12:45:09 AM
http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2010/10/joran-van-der-sloot-caught-video-drug-sting

Joran van der Sloot Caught On Video In Drug Sting Joran van der Sloot Caught On Video In Drug Sting

Posted on Oct 06, 2010


In a scene reminiscent of HBO's Oz, a shirtless and imprisoned Joran van der Sloot is seen haggling with a drug dealer in a video obtained by CNN affiliate America TV, RadarOnline.com has learned.

In the clip, which was shot in August, Van der Sloot is standing around his protective custody cell, when the dealer asks him if he'd be interested in buying pot.

The vendor said, "I have marijuana, are you buying? Oe, Oe, Oe gringo! Gringo Van der Sloot," to which van der Sloot replied, "Can you sell it to me for five soles?"


Van der Sloot's lawyer Maximo Altez told In Session the incident was "staged" and that he's "asked the National Correctional Institute to conduct an investigation" in connection with the exchange.

Bruno Guzman, a spokesman for Lima’s Castro Castro prison -- where van der Sloot is staying as he awaits trial -- told In Session officials are investigating the matter.

The 23-year-old Dutchman is in the Peruvian prison in connection with accusations he killed 21-year-old Stephany Ramirez Flores May 30, five years to the day of the 2005 disappearance of Alabama teenager Natalee Holloway in Aruba, which thrust the Dutch playboy into the headlines.



Did we know this happened way back in August?
I didn't!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on October 07, 2010, 12:46:24 AM
I will have to think about August....

and I locked after Klaas... ::MonkeyHaHa::  oopsie!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849
Post by: Magnolia on October 07, 2010, 12:46:45 AM
I don't think the news got out until yesterday.   I wonder if the canary yellow cell is still his home.
In August he was still living with the Clown, wasn't he?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849
Post by: klaasend on October 07, 2010, 12:48:01 AM
http://www.bhcourier.com/article/Local_News/Local_News/Two_brothers_allege_defamation_in_a_Dr_Phil_episode/71840


Two brothers allege defamation in a 'Dr. Phil' episode
(CNS) Posted Wednesday October 6, 2010 - 12:35pm

Two brothers who allege they were defamed in a "Dr. Phil' episode about Natalee Holloway's disappearance in Aruba cannot have their case transferred to a courtroom dealing with legally complex cases, a Los Angeles judge tentatively ruled today.

Superior Court Judge Ramona See said lawyers for Deepak and Satish Kalpoe did not persuade her that the case requires exceptional judicial management usually reserved for large class-action suits tried in a courthouse west of downtown.

"Plaintiffs may be Aruban citizens, but without more, that does not prove this matter is complex,' See wrote in her tentative decision.

See is scheduled to hear any further arguments on Thursday before issuing a final ruling.

The brothers' attorneys argued the case is complex because of its international connections, including the need to question witnesses who live in Aruba.

They also cited the large number of documents filed.

However, the judge said there are only 2,000 pages of documents and that the trial is scheduled for Feb. 11.

The Kalpoes filed their $800 million lawsuit in December 2006 against Phil McGraw and CBS, maintaining their reputations were damaged in a Sept. 15, 2005, "Dr. Phil' show that alleged they drugged the 18-year-old Alabama college student and raped her.

The brothers contend the "Dr. Phil' episode implied they helped kill Holloway and dispose of her body. They also sued on allegations of invasion of privacy, emotional distress, fraud, deceit and civil conspiracy.

Holloway, of Mountain Brook, Ala., was vacationing with friends on the Caribbean island resort when she vanished the night of May 30, 2005.

 Aruban authorities in 2008 cleared the Kalpoes of any involvement in her disappearance.


Remember the actual hearing is tomorrow but they don't have to attend in person if the same rule that applied to Sept 28 applies now



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849
Post by: klaasend on October 07, 2010, 12:48:48 AM
I didn't know it was August either. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849
Post by: klaasend on October 07, 2010, 12:49:54 AM
http://www.bhcourier.com/article/Local_News/Local_News/Two_brothers_allege_defamation_in_a_Dr_Phil_episode/71840


Two brothers allege defamation in a 'Dr. Phil' episode
(CNS) Posted Wednesday October 6, 2010 - 12:35pm

Two brothers who allege they were defamed in a "Dr. Phil' episode about Natalee Holloway's disappearance in Aruba cannot have their case transferred to a courtroom dealing with legally complex cases, a Los Angeles judge tentatively ruled today.

Superior Court Judge Ramona See said lawyers for Deepak and Satish Kalpoe did not persuade her that the case requires exceptional judicial management usually reserved for large class-action suits tried in a courthouse west of downtown.

"Plaintiffs may be Aruban citizens, but without more, that does not prove this matter is complex,' See wrote in her tentative decision.

See is scheduled to hear any further arguments on Thursday before issuing a final ruling.

The brothers' attorneys argued the case is complex because of its international connections, including the need to question witnesses who live in Aruba.

They also cited the large number of documents filed.

However, the judge said there are only 2,000 pages of documents and that the trial is scheduled for Feb. 11.

The Kalpoes filed their $800 million lawsuit in December 2006 against Phil McGraw and CBS, maintaining their reputations were damaged in a Sept. 15, 2005, "Dr. Phil' show that alleged they drugged the 18-year-old Alabama college student and raped her.

The brothers contend the "Dr. Phil' episode implied they helped kill Holloway and dispose of her body. They also sued on allegations of invasion of privacy, emotional distress, fraud, deceit and civil conspiracy.

Holloway, of Mountain Brook, Ala., was vacationing with friends on the Caribbean island resort when she vanished the night of May 30, 2005.

 Aruban authorities in 2008 cleared the Kalpoes of any involvement in her disappearance.


Remember the actual hearing is tomorrow but they don't have to attend in person if the same rule that applied to Sept 28 applies now



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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849
Post by: texasmom on October 07, 2010, 12:50:40 AM
I didn't know it was August either. 

I think 24ora just posted the video today too.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849
Post by: texasmom on October 07, 2010, 12:52:03 AM
Thanks for bringing all of that forward Klaas!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849
Post by: texasmom on October 07, 2010, 12:54:48 AM
Good night monkeys!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849
Post by: Magnolia on October 07, 2010, 12:56:45 AM
Good night monkeys!   ::MonkeyCool::


Nite, TM.  I'll bet you are tired!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849
Post by: klaasend on October 07, 2010, 01:00:31 AM
Nite TM


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849
Post by: billb's daughter on October 07, 2010, 01:04:40 AM
http://www.bhcourier.com/article/Local_News/Local_News/Two_brothers_allege_defamation_in_a_Dr_Phil_episode/71840


Two brothers allege defamation in a 'Dr. Phil' episode
(CNS) Posted Wednesday October 6, 2010 - 12:35pm

Two brothers who allege they were defamed in a "Dr. Phil' episode about Natalee Holloway's disappearance in Aruba cannot have their case transferred to a courtroom dealing with legally complex cases, a Los Angeles judge tentatively ruled today.

Superior Court Judge Ramona See said lawyers for Deepak and Satish Kalpoe did not persuade her that the case requires exceptional judicial management usually reserved for large class-action suits tried in a courthouse west of downtown.

"Plaintiffs may be Aruban citizens, but without more, that does not prove this matter is complex,' See wrote in her tentative decision.

See is scheduled to hear any further arguments on Thursday before issuing a final ruling.

The brothers' attorneys argued the case is complex because of its international connections, including the need to question witnesses who live in Aruba.

They also cited the large number of documents filed.

However, the judge said there are only 2,000 pages of documents and that the trial is scheduled for Feb. 11.

The Kalpoes filed their $800 million lawsuit in December 2006 against Phil McGraw and CBS, maintaining their reputations were damaged in a Sept. 15, 2005, "Dr. Phil' show that alleged they drugged the 18-year-old Alabama college student and raped her.

The brothers contend the "Dr. Phil' episode implied they helped kill Holloway and dispose of her body. They also sued on allegations of invasion of privacy, emotional distress, fraud, deceit and civil conspiracy.

Holloway, of Mountain Brook, Ala., was vacationing with friends on the Caribbean island resort when she vanished the night of May 30, 2005.

 Aruban authorities in 2008 cleared the Kalpoes of any involvement in her disappearance.


Remember the actual hearing is tomorrow but they don't have to attend in person if the same rule that applied to Sept 28 applies now



(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/K2Minutes092810.jpg)
lawyers..sawyers..whether feb 7 or 11 2011..I'll be there if they let me in....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849
Post by: klaasend on October 07, 2010, 01:08:10 AM
Billb - me too!  I'll see you there!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849
Post by: billb's daughter on October 07, 2010, 01:19:54 AM
Billb - me too!  I'll see you there!
Klaas...I do hope this comes to trial..But I think k2 lawyers will play every card they can (as we see..they don't know US judicial system..thank you arlene,,,)...complex? they can't handle complex....Dr Phil is in it for the long haul.....
But I do really hope we can see the toasting of k2 in court....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849
Post by: billb's daughter on October 07, 2010, 01:21:56 AM


Today we are one day closer to justice for Natalee and Stephany.

 ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::


Yes..Yes we are..... ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849
Post by: billb's daughter on October 07, 2010, 01:22:47 AM
Billb - me too!  I'll see you there!
I'm younger than I look.... ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849
Post by: klaasend on October 07, 2010, 01:26:38 AM
Billb - me too!  I'll see you there!
I'm younger than I look.... ::MonkeyCool::

 ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849
Post by: klaasend on October 07, 2010, 01:26:58 AM
Nite all!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849
Post by: billb's daughter on October 07, 2010, 01:29:45 AM
Good Night Good Monkey's..
Justice for Natalee is just around the corner...... ::MonkeyAngel::
Stephany and her family are on the path for Justice......and it will be served...
Let us not substitute that for Justice for Natalee...Beth and Dave.......
There is still work to be done and I can't think of a better group than Scared Monkeys to ensure:
Justice for Natalee... ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: carpe noctem on October 07, 2010, 07:31:36 AM
Keep 'em jigglin', Sporterrrrrr!!!!


(http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w214/iliketoN0KTEM/anitajiggle.gif)


::MonkeyBike::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849
Post by: MisGivings on October 07, 2010, 07:37:40 AM
I don't think the news got out until yesterday.   I wonder if the canary yellow cell is still his home.
In August he was still living with the Clown, wasn't he?
Canary yellow? just like his house in Aruba, how quaint.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849
Post by: MuffyBee on October 07, 2010, 09:53:43 AM
I don't think the news got out until yesterday.   I wonder if the canary yellow cell is still his home.
In August he was still living with the Clown, wasn't he?
Canary yellow? just like his house in Aruba, how quaint.


Or Canary yellow, like the stripe down his back.  I figure a guy like Joran is a coward, since he's murdered two smaller women and hides behind his Mommy and Daddy.  (Daddy may be dead but he's left enough in place to cover Joran a little longer)  JMHO


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Magnolia on October 07, 2010, 10:50:46 AM
Keep 'em jigglin', Sporterrrrrr!!!!


(http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w214/iliketoN0KTEM/anitajiggle.gif)


::MonkeyBike::


That Anita!     I can tell she is still in mourning.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 07, 2010, 11:01:10 AM
Klaas

Depositions?  When and where did this happen?

Janet

++++++


You know, when I get these I usually don't read until I post them.  Great catch Wreck!   ::MonkeyDance::

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/DrPhilOp2a.jpg)


Here is the key part for me!

Quote
This case is almost four years old; it is not complex despite Plaintiffs' claim to the contrary; and Defendants are prepared to file for summary judgment, which is based, in part, on Plaintiffs admissions (now confirmed by their depositions in this case) that they entered into a conspiracy with Joran Van der Sloot to confuse and frustrate the police investigation of the disappearance of an American citizen, Natalee Holloway, from the island of Aruba over 5 years ago in order to cover up their role in the mystery of what happened to the teenager.
(Edit to add missing quote bracket-MB)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Magnolia on October 07, 2010, 11:30:32 AM
Klaas

Depositions?  When and where did this happen?

Janet

++++++


You know, when I get these I usually don't read until I post them.  Great catch Wreck!   ::MonkeyDance::

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/DrPhilOp2a.jpg)


Here is the key part for me!

Quote
This case is almost four years old; it is not complex despite Plaintiffs' claim to the contrary; and Defendants are prepared to file for summary judgment, which is based, in part, on Plaintiffs admissions (now confirmed by their depositions in this case) that they entered into a conspiracy with Joran Van der Sloot to confuse and frustrate the police investigation of the disappearance of an American citizen, Natalee Holloway, from the island of Aruba over 5 years ago in order to cover up their role in the mystery of what happened to the teenager.
(Edit to add missing quote bracket-MB)


Not Klaas, but I believe that the Kalpoes were disposed on August 23 in Long Beach, California.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Magnolia on October 07, 2010, 11:35:39 AM
Klaas

Depositions?  When and where did this happen?

Janet

++++++


You know, when I get these I usually don't read until I post them.  Great catch Wreck!   ::MonkeyDance::

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/DrPhilOp2a.jpg)


Here is the key part for me!

Quote
This case is almost four years old; it is not complex despite Plaintiffs' claim to the contrary; and Defendants are prepared to file for summary judgment, which is based, in part, on Plaintiffs admissions (now confirmed by their depositions in this case) that they entered into a conspiracy with Joran Van der Sloot to confuse and frustrate the police investigation of the disappearance of an American citizen, Natalee Holloway, from the island of Aruba over 5 years ago in order to cover up their role in the mystery of what happened to the teenager.
(Edit to add missing quote bracket-MB)


Not Klaas, but I believe that the Kalpoes were disposed on August 23 in Long Beach, California.



Make that deposed....I wish it were the former.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Magnolia on October 07, 2010, 11:46:52 AM
Murderer Joran Van der Sloot Buys Weed in Prison, Paints Cell

By John Danz, Jr.


Compulsive murderer Joran van der Sloot isn`t exactly suffering in jail, or so it seems.

America TV reports from an exclusive video that van der Sloot, while shirtless outside his "maximum security" cell, was bargaining with a man trying to peddle marijuana. The brief conversation basically consisted of the weed vendor realizing who van der Sloot is, van der Sloot offering the man five soles, and the vendor asking for one more. The vendor is believed to be a prison guard.

Joran is also working on another project - some home improvement. According to his lawyer - who says the marijuana incident was "staged" - van der Sloot was outside his cell because he was painting it yellow.
Such a happy color for such a dark, depraved and damned man! Wouldn`t want to get those prison fatigues filthy. Apparently, the kid wanted to "improve his living conditions." Since when did prison become an episode of the Martha Stewart Show?

On the legal end of things, Joran`s lawyer is waiting for a decision to be made regarding the appeal he made regarding the court`s Habeas Corpus ruling. He claimed that his constitutional rights had been violated.

Well Slick, I think you surrender your constitutional rights when you murder two girls and send their families and police on ghost chases. You never quite made up your mind as to whether or not you killed Holloway - I can only imagine how long it took you to decide on yellow paint for your jail cell!

As far as improving your living conditions - might I suggest Hell? It`s quite nice there this time of year.

http://thesop.org/story/20101007/murderer-joran-van-der-sloot-buys-weed-in-prison-paints-cell.html


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: klaasend on October 07, 2010, 12:21:40 PM
Magnolia is correct - Aug 23, 2010 in Long Beach.  Likely at a hotel right at the airport.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Anna on October 07, 2010, 12:25:32 PM
Good Morning, Monkeys,

I'm reading every post and keeping up but just not much to say.  Still disapprove of Tim Miller and TJ Ward's interview techniques.

Also, WTH is with Joran and his cushy life in Castro Castro?  And you thought those pink curtains were a figment of my imagination.  They would go nicely with the new yellow paint. 

Isn't that slightly effete?  Or even effeminate?  Or something?  I would think a tan would be much more serviceable and something a male would select but then there is nothing normal about Joran.

But this is not doing anything to maintain the image of a tough prison nor to support Anita's claim of the dire circumstances foreigners face in Peruvian prisons. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Anna on October 07, 2010, 12:34:06 PM
Magnolia is correct - Aug 23, 2010 in Long Beach.  Likely at a hotel right at the airport.


And boy, would we like to get our hands on those depositions.  If they are introduced as evidence in the actual trial, it is possible.  But otherwise I don't think we can.

Is that right?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Magnolia on October 07, 2010, 12:40:55 PM
Magnolia is correct - Aug 23, 2010 in Long Beach.  Likely at a hotel right at the airport.



I wonder if they even got to go to Disneyland?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 07, 2010, 12:51:21 PM
Magnolia is correct - Aug 23, 2010 in Long Beach.  Likely at a hotel right at the airport.

 ::MonkeyShocked::

Thanks Magnolia.  Thanks Klaas.

Considering I fail to comprehend how released case documents as well as  testimony from the Kalpoes in either depositions or in a trial would further the defamation case .. only expose the the Aruban cover up ... it has been my ongoing contention that segments of the lawsuit would be dropped and ... the case would be lost or won one issue ... the disputed portion of the Dr. Phil recording.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 07, 2010, 12:58:37 PM
I had thought that maybe the highlight portions of the defamation lawsuit would have been dropped.  The implication would be that no questioning of the Kalpoes would be required and ... not case documents would be required.

Janet

+++++

Judge allows lawsuit to proceed against Dr. Phil
The Associated Press

Date: Wednesday Feb. 6, 2008 10:12 AM ET


The Kalpoes, who have maintained they had nothing to do with Holloway's disappearance, sued in December 2006, claiming the "Dr. Phil" talk show altered portions of a taped conversation between Deepak Kalpoe and a private investigator to "create false, incriminating, and defamatory statements that the plaintiffs engaged in criminal activity against Natalee Holloway."

The brothers also contend the TV show implied they helped kill Holloway and disposed of her body. Their suit claims defamation, invasion of privacy, emotional distress, fraud, deceit and civil conspiracy.  

http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/TopStories/20080206/dr_phil_080206/


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Anna on October 07, 2010, 01:20:11 PM
Magnolia is correct - Aug 23, 2010 in Long Beach.  Likely at a hotel right at the airport.

 ::MonkeyShocked::

Thanks Magnolia.  Thanks Klaas.

Considering I fail to comprehend how released case documents as well as  testimony from the Kalpoes in either depositions or in a trial would further the defamation case .. only expose the the Aruban cover up ... it has been my ongoing contention that segments of the lawsuit would be dropped and ... the case would be lost or won one issue ... the disputed portion of the Dr. Phil recording.

Janet




In order to launch a proper defense, the Defendants have the right to documents and depositions as they deem necessary for their defense.  Not being allowed to even depose the ones making the accusations would be pretty well unheard of.

And I also believe that the Defendants would have to agree to any portions of the suit being eliminated as well.  Otherwise, it stands as filed.

.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Anna on October 07, 2010, 01:26:40 PM
Admitting that they conspired to obstruct justice seems pretty damaging to ones reputation to me.  I mean, it's not the kind of activity one engages in should one desire to have a stellar character.

Plus, in most places, that alone is against the law and would be presecuted.

And while it should have no bearing on this case, don't you know Dr Phil had at least a moment of zen when Joran was caught again red handed?  I don't mean at all that he was glad another lost her life at the hands of this maniac the Kalpoes conspired with but that this time he got caught and not in Aruba.  At least he didn't get away with it again.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 07, 2010, 01:32:06 PM
I could be wrong but somehow it makes sense if the sole issue in the defamation lawsuit boiled down to the disputed segment of the Dr. Phil recording ... a professional comparison with Jamie Skeeters' hard drive would suffice.

In other words ... no testimony from the Deepak is necessary.  The evidence would speak for itself.

IMO

Janet

+++++

SUPERIOR COURT OF CALIFORNIA, COUNTY OF LOS ANGELES

Page 14:
  To the extent that the Dr. Phil Show Defendants can be shown to have been negligent or reckless in the way they edited the show and thus potentially liable, there is no competent showing the Defendant Skeeter was so involved.

http://scaredmonkeys.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/kalpoedrphil050609awm.pdf


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Magnolia on October 07, 2010, 01:37:12 PM
I believe that Dr. Phil's people edited the tape for time, but not for content.

Steve Cohen, Aruban spokesperson, said that all three had sex with (raped) Natalee.

Larry Garrison has testified that Deepak told him that all three has sex with (raped) Natalee.

I inserted raped because I know that there is no way that a conscious Natalee would have had sex
with a Kalpoe.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on October 07, 2010, 01:38:13 PM
Keep 'em jigglin', Sporterrrrrr!!!!


(http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w214/iliketoN0KTEM/anitajiggle.gif)


::MonkeyBike::

Carpe........ you're killing me!!   ::MonkeyHaHa::

Yeah, Anita gettin' jiggy with it could cause a tsunami!   ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Kermit on October 07, 2010, 01:42:06 PM
I had thought that maybe the highlight portions of the defamation lawsuit would have been dropped.  The implication would be that no questioning of the Kalpoes would be required and ... not case documents would be required.

Janet

+++++

Judge allows lawsuit to proceed against Dr. Phil
The Associated Press

Date: Wednesday Feb. 6, 2008 10:12 AM ET


The Kalpoes, who have maintained they had nothing to do with Holloway's disappearance, sued in December 2006, claiming the "Dr. Phil" talk show altered portions of a taped conversation between Deepak Kalpoe and a private investigator to "create false, incriminating, and defamatory statements that the plaintiffs engaged in criminal activity against Natalee Holloway."

The brothers also contend the TV show implied they helped kill Holloway and disposed of her body. Their suit claims defamation, invasion of privacy, emotional distress, fraud, deceit and civil conspiracy.  

http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/TopStories/20080206/dr_phil_080206/

Judge Smid said that the Kalpoes were involved in body disposal


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on October 07, 2010, 01:46:04 PM
Good Morning, Monkeys,

I'm reading every post and keeping up but just not much to say.  Still disapprove of Tim Miller and TJ Ward's interview techniques.

Also, WTH is with Joran and his cushy life in Castro Castro?  And you thought those pink curtains were a figment of my imagination.  They would go nicely with the new yellow paint. 

Isn't that slightly effete?  Or even effeminate?  Or something?  I would think a tan would be much more serviceable and something a male would select but then there is nothing normal about Joran.

But this is not doing anything to maintain the image of a tough prison nor to support Anita's claim of the dire circumstances foreigners face in Peruvian prisons. 


yeth, it ith.      ::MonkeyCool::   


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Magnolia on October 07, 2010, 01:58:11 PM
I had thought that maybe the highlight portions of the defamation lawsuit would have been dropped.  The implication would be that no questioning of the Kalpoes would be required and ... not case documents would be required.

Janet

+++++

Judge allows lawsuit to proceed against Dr. Phil
The Associated Press

Date: Wednesday Feb. 6, 2008 10:12 AM ET


The Kalpoes, who have maintained they had nothing to do with Holloway's disappearance, sued in December 2006, claiming the "Dr. Phil" talk show altered portions of a taped conversation between Deepak Kalpoe and a private investigator to "create false, incriminating, and defamatory statements that the plaintiffs engaged in criminal activity against Natalee Holloway."

The brothers also contend the TV show implied they helped kill Holloway and disposed of her body. Their suit claims defamation, invasion of privacy, emotional distress, fraud, deceit and civil conspiracy.  

http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/TopStories/20080206/dr_phil_080206/

Judge Smid said that the Kalpoes were involved in body disposal



Didn't Mos say that he had enough evidence to convict the Kalpoes of body disposal,
but since it only carried a six month sentence, it wasn't worth prosecuting?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Lifesong on October 07, 2010, 02:17:27 PM
I could be wrong but somehow it makes sense if the sole issue in the defamation lawsuit boiled down to the disputed segment of the Dr. Phil recording ... a professional comparison with Jamie Skeeters' hard drive would suffice.

In other words ... no testimony from the Deepak is necessary.  The evidence would speak for itself.

IMO

Janet

+++++

SUPERIOR COURT OF CALIFORNIA, COUNTY OF LOS ANGELES

Page 14:
  To the extent that the Dr. Phil Show Defendants can be shown to have been negligent or reckless in the way they edited the show and thus potentially liable, there is no competent showing the Defendant Skeeter was so involved.

http://scaredmonkeys.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/kalpoedrphil050609awm.pdf

Honestly, dear, that's just not how the court system works.  I've read it explained here over and over again so it does seem as though at this point you just don't want to believe it.

Janet, even if the tape WERE found to be altered (which I don't believe it was), the Kaploe's still lose the case if they can't PROVE damages.  I think by this time it's quite easy to comprehend if you actually want to.

JMO and only MO


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: klaasend on October 07, 2010, 02:20:52 PM
I believe that Dr. Phil's people edited the tape for time, but not for content.

Steve Cohen, Aruban spokesperson, said that all three had sex with (raped) Natalee.

Larry Garrison has testified that Deepak told him that all three has sex with (raped) Natalee.

I inserted raped because I know that there is no way that a conscious Natalee would have had sex
with a Kalpoe.

AMDigital reported that all 3 admitted to have sex with her.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 07, 2010, 02:24:39 PM
I had thought that maybe the highlight portions of the defamation lawsuit would have been dropped.  The implication would be that no questioning of the Kalpoes would be required and ... not case documents would be required.

Janet

+++++

Judge allows lawsuit to proceed against Dr. Phil
The Associated Press

Date: Wednesday Feb. 6, 2008 10:12 AM ET


The Kalpoes, who have maintained they had nothing to do with Holloway's disappearance, sued in December 2006, claiming the "Dr. Phil" talk show altered portions of a taped conversation between Deepak Kalpoe and a private investigator to "create false, incriminating, and defamatory statements that the plaintiffs engaged in criminal activity against Natalee Holloway."

The brothers also contend the TV show implied they helped kill Holloway and disposed of her body. Their suit claims defamation, invasion of privacy, emotional distress, fraud, deceit and civil conspiracy.  

http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/TopStories/20080206/dr_phil_080206/

Judge Smid said that the Kalpoes were involved in body disposal

Ribbit!

However ... no charges ... only suspicions.

It is a given that there are files of case documentation which implies the Kalpoes were suspected of involvement in the happenings leading up to and encompassing the disappearance of Natalee Holloway but ... I fail to comprehend what that has to do with whether or not the disputed segment of the Dr. Phil take was deceptively manipulated ... deceptively manipulated to imply that Deepak implicated himself, Deepak and Satish in the Skeeters' interview.

Janet

++++++


Janet,
You and your daughter-in-law have done excellent work. I'm not sure if this is anything worth an addendum or not, however in my mind it says even a Judge is aware of some evidence that is convincing enough that the Kalpoe brothers were involved in a crime. The fact that they have not been charged points more towards the cover-up in place as your document covers.


The judge reasoned Friday that “the new evidence, together with the existing evidence in this case, produce serious grounds for the suspicion of some kind of aiding and abetting, of covering up the traces of a crime committed or of the disposing of a corpse,” prosecutors said.
http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/americas/11/30/aruba.holloway/index.html
AND
http://scaredmonkeys.com/2007/11/30/natalee-hoolloway-investigation-aruban-judge-orders-kalpoe-brothers-to-be-released/


"There's no doubt in my mind that she's dead," said Hans Mos. "I think we have enough evidence to prove the girl is not alive anymore, even without a body."
http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/americas/11/26/holloway.arrest/index.html







Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 07, 2010, 02:47:03 PM

Honestly, dear, that's just not how the court system works.  I've read it explained here over and over again so it does seem as though at this point you just don't want to believe it.

Janet, even if the tape WERE found to be altered (which I don't believe it was), the Kaploe's still lose the case if they can't PROVE damages.  I think by this time it's quite easy to comprehend if you actually want to.

JMO and only MO


I could be wrong but ... if it is proved that Dr. Phil deceptively manipulated the recording ... a recording heard by his entire viewing audience ... it does not make sense there would no legal ramification whether Deepak and Satish can and cannot prove damages.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on October 07, 2010, 02:48:12 PM
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Natalee's Candles

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5700.0


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 07, 2010, 03:00:55 PM
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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 07, 2010, 03:07:11 PM
::MonkeyAngel::

Natalee's Candles

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5700.0

Thanks 2NJ!   ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on October 07, 2010, 03:07:49 PM

Honestly, dear, that's just not how the court system works.  I've read it explained here over and over again so it does seem as though at this point you just don't want to believe it.

Janet, even if the tape WERE found to be altered (which I don't believe it was), the Kaploe's still lose the case if they can't PROVE damages.  I think by this time it's quite easy to comprehend if you actually want to.

JMO and only MO


I could be wrong but ... if it is proved that Dr. Phil deceptively manipulated the recording ... a recording heard by his entire viewing audience ... it does not make sense there would no legal ramification whether Deepak and Satish can and cannot prove damages.

Janet


The amount they are suing Dr. Phil for is the amount of damage they believe he did to their reputations.  Where do you think that figure came from?



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: klaasend on October 07, 2010, 03:31:27 PM

Honestly, dear, that's just not how the court system works.  I've read it explained here over and over again so it does seem as though at this point you just don't want to believe it.

Janet, even if the tape WERE found to be altered (which I don't believe it was), the Kaploe's still lose the case if they can't PROVE damages.  I think by this time it's quite easy to comprehend if you actually want to.

JMO and only MO


I could be wrong but ... if it is proved that Dr. Phil deceptively manipulated the recording ... a recording heard by his entire viewing audience ... it does not make sense there would no legal ramification whether Deepak and Satish can and cannot prove damages.

Janet


The amount they are suing Dr. Phil for is the amount of damage they believe he did to their reputations.  Where do you think that figure came from?



The Kalpoes (at least Deepak) admitted to having sexual relations with Natalee to his friend John Charles Croes:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=192.0

You cannot defame someone by saying that they reported that all 3 had sex with Natalee when the subject (Deepak & Satish) themselves said that in the beginning of the case.

In other words, you can't ruin the reputation of a dushbag  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Magnolia on October 07, 2010, 03:36:22 PM

Honestly, dear, that's just not how the court system works.  I've read it explained here over and over again so it does seem as though at this point you just don't want to believe it.

Janet, even if the tape WERE found to be altered (which I don't believe it was), the Kaploe's still lose the case if they can't PROVE damages.  I think by this time it's quite easy to comprehend if you actually want to.

JMO and only MO


I could be wrong but ... if it is proved that Dr. Phil deceptively manipulated the recording ... a recording heard by his entire viewing audience ... it does not make sense there would no legal ramification whether Deepak and Satish can and cannot prove damages.

Janet




Your big word is "IF".   Do you honestly think that Dr. Phil's lawyers would persue the case to this
extent if the tape had been "deceptively manipulated"?   I don't!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 07, 2010, 03:42:37 PM

The amount they are suing Dr. Phil for is the amount of damage they believe he did to their reputations.  Where do you think that figure came from?


No idea.  Nevertheless ... if case documents requested by Dr. Phil's attorneys are not forthcoming ... the defamation lawsuit will have to be focus in area/s that do not require backup.  It doesn't appear the lawsuit is about to be dropped by the Kalpoe attorneys or thrown out by the Judge.

Thankfully ... it does appear that between now and February, 2011 ... the outcome ... that at this point can only be speculated on ... will have been revealed.

Bearlyhere ... I suspect that the Kalpoe attorneys may be working behind the scenes with McGraw attorneys and/or the judge.  The five day deadline afforded by the judge in 2008 to produce requested documents has come and gone a long time ago.  Also ... I find it very suspicious that the McGraw attorneys are no longer demanding the the lawsuit be dismissed.  IMO

When all is said in done ... what will be; wil be.

Janet

+++++++


A Signed Declaration

Holloway Case: New Kalpoe Documents
Friday, September 14, 2007


JOHN KELLY, FAMILY'S ATTORNEY: I believe David Koch (ph), one of the attorneys for the Kalpoes actually signed a declaration at the court indicating that even if the court ordered the documents be turned over, they were not going to turn them over. ....

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,296798,00.html


Five Days to Satisfy the Deadline

Judge allows lawsuit to proceed against Dr. Phil
The Associated Press
Date: Wednesday Feb. 6, 2008 10:12 AM ET


LOS ANGELES — A California judge refused to dismiss a defamation suit Tuesday against CBS and television psychologist "Dr. Phil" McGraw brought by two brothers who were questioned in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.

William Cremer, lawyer for Surinamese brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe, praised the decision by Superior Court Judge Edward Ferns. "I'm going to take Dr. Phil down," he said outside the courtroom.

In their dismissal motion, lawyers for CBS Television and McGraw maintained lawyers for the Kalpoes did not meet deadlines to produce all documents they have demanded concerning the criminal case investigation against the brothers in Aruba.

But the judge gave the Kalpoes' lawyers another five days to satisfy the document deadline.

http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/TopStories/20080206/dr_phil_080206/




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on October 07, 2010, 03:49:50 PM

Honestly, dear, that's just not how the court system works.  I've read it explained here over and over again so it does seem as though at this point you just don't want to believe it.

Janet, even if the tape WERE found to be altered (which I don't believe it was), the Kaploe's still lose the case if they can't PROVE damages.  I think by this time it's quite easy to comprehend if you actually want to.

JMO and only MO


I could be wrong but ... if it is proved that Dr. Phil deceptively manipulated the recording ... a recording heard by his entire viewing audience ... it does not make sense there would no legal ramification whether Deepak and Satish can and cannot prove damages.

Janet




Your big word is "IF".   Do you honestly think that Dr. Phil's lawyers would persue the case to this
extent if the tape had been "deceptively manipulated"?   I don't!!

I agree, Magnolia.  Dr. Phil & his lawyers would have settled long ago IF this was a 'no contest' situation. 

K2 were deceptive (along with Joran) from the 'getgo' and the world knows it.  They defamed themselves, no doubt about it.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 07, 2010, 04:05:48 PM

Honestly, dear, that's just not how the court system works.  I've read it explained here over and over again so it does seem as though at this point you just don't want to believe it.

Janet, even if the tape WERE found to be altered (which I don't believe it was), the Kaploe's still lose the case if they can't PROVE damages.  I think by this time it's quite easy to comprehend if you actually want to.

JMO and only MO


I could be wrong but ... if it is proved that Dr. Phil deceptively manipulated the recording ... a recording heard by his entire viewing audience ... it does not make sense there would no legal ramification whether Deepak and Satish can and cannot prove damages.

Janet




Your big word is "IF".   Do you honestly think that Dr. Phil's lawyers would persue the case to this
extent if the tape had been "deceptively manipulated"?   I don't!!

Magnolia

IF the Dr. Phil tape was manipulated ... is it possible that the McGraw attorneys were anticipating official case documentation to prove that the Kalpoes WERE NOT defamed by the manipulated tape.  After all ... when you consider the suspicions encompassing the detentions.

Another issue that could be problematic!  Deepak and Satish are no longer suspects in the Natalee Holloway case.

As the outcome of the defamation lawsuite has yet to be revealed ... I am only questioning/speculating at the possible outcome.

Janet

+++++++


Suspicion - Second Detention: The Rape of Natalee Holloway

Brothers arrested again in Aruba case
Two held on suspicion of acting with others in teen's rape, killing
Saturday, August 27, 2005 Posted: 0319 GMT (1119 HKT)


(CNN) -- After being detained and then released last month in Natalee Holloway's disappearance, two brothers were arrested again Friday in Aruba on suspicion they acted "together with other people" in raping and killing the Alabama teen, the prosecutor's office said.

Without elaborating on the evidence, the office said in a statement that "new facts and circumstances" led them to re-arrest Satish Kalpoe, 18 and brother Deepak, 21.

"They are suspected of the primary criminal act of together with other people committing premeditated murder, alternately together with other people murdering somebody, more alternately rob a person of her liberty with fatal consequences and even more alternately raping somebody," the statement said.

"Aside from these suspicions against the two brothers, there are new suspicions, which at this point the prosecutor is not commenting on."

http://edition.cnn.com/2005/LAW/08/26/aruba.arrests/index.html


No Longer Suspects

Two brothers allege defamation in a 'Dr. Phil' episode
(CNS) Posted Wednesday October 6, 2010 - 12:35pm


Aruban authorities in 2008 cleared the Kalpoes of any involvement in her disappearance.

http://bhcourier.com/article/Local_News/Local_News/Two_brothers_allege_defamation_in_a_Dr_Phil_episode/71840



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Magnolia on October 07, 2010, 04:14:48 PM
The judge has already ruled that the Kalpoes were "public figures" due to their involvement in Natalee's
disappearance.  All of the defamatory things had already been published in newspapers and spoken on
TV before Dr. Phil ever got involved.

I do not believe for one minute that the Kalpoes will win the lawsuit in the California court.

If you choose to believe in them....go for it.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 07, 2010, 04:26:53 PM
The judge has already ruled that the Kalpoes were "public figures" due to their involvement in Natalee's
disappearance.  All of the defamatory things had already been published in newspapers and spoken on
TV before Dr. Phil ever got involved.

I do not believe for one minute that the Kalpoes will win the lawsuit in the California court.

If you choose to believe in them....go for it.

I don't have a clue in regards to the outcome of the defamation lawsuit.  I just recognize that it is not cut and dry.

The McGraw attorneys motioned for dismissal in February, 2008 when the Kalpoe attorneys did not comply with the court's request for case documents.  The judge denied the motion and afforded the Kalpoe attorneys a five day extention.  Think about it.  Almost three years past the deadline ... no case documents yet ... the judge has not chosen to dismiss the lawsuit.

Have a good afternoon All.  I am off for a while.

Janet
1:25 PM PT

 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Lifesong on October 07, 2010, 05:10:20 PM
The judge has already ruled that the Kalpoes were "public figures" due to their involvement in Natalee's
disappearance.  All of the defamatory things had already been published in newspapers and spoken on
TV before Dr. Phil ever got involved.

I do not believe for one minute that the Kalpoes will win the lawsuit in the California court.

If you choose to believe in them....go for it.

I don't have a clue in regards to the outcome of the defamation lawsuit.  I just recognize that it is not cut and dry.

The McGraw attorneys motioned for dismissal in February, 2008 when the Kalpoe attorneys did not comply with the court's request for case documents.  The judge denied the motion and afforded the Kalpoe attorneys a five day extention.  Think about it.  Almost three years past the deadline ... no case documents yet ... the judge has not chosen to dismiss the lawsuit.

Have a good afternoon All.  I am off for a while.

Janet
1:25 PM PT

 

Requests for summary judgements (or motions to dismiss) are typically filed as a matter of course in all litigation and are typically not granted.  I wouldn't read too much into that.  The judge was giving the Kalpoe's the chance to make their case, that's all.





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: sandy leiva on October 07, 2010, 06:32:02 PM
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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on October 07, 2010, 06:42:29 PM
The judge has already ruled that the Kalpoes were "public figures" due to their involvement in Natalee's
disappearance.  All of the defamatory things had already been published in newspapers and spoken on
TV before Dr. Phil ever got involved.

I do not believe for one minute that the Kalpoes will win the lawsuit in the California court.

If you choose to believe in them....go for it.

I'm not a lawyer, but the Kalpoe's assertion in this seem akin to the concept of "slander". By definition, slander has to be untrue. Going back to Klaas's post and link, if Deepak had already told that he had sex with Natalee, Deepak is the source of his own "defamation" again. He would have been a participant and as such has ample weight for "truth". He can't turn around and yell foul when he defamed himself, regardless of a tape edit for a TV show where he repeats that truth in an edited section of the entire tape. Edited or not, it's a "truth" that he has repeated before.   JMO.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on October 07, 2010, 06:57:02 PM

Honestly, dear, that's just not how the court system works.  I've read it explained here over and over again so it does seem as though at this point you just don't want to believe it.

Janet, even if the tape WERE found to be altered (which I don't believe it was), the Kaploe's still lose the case if they can't PROVE damages.  I think by this time it's quite easy to comprehend if you actually want to.

JMO and only MO


I could be wrong but ... if it is proved that Dr. Phil deceptively manipulated the recording ... a recording heard by his entire viewing audience ... it does not make sense there would no legal ramification whether Deepak and Satish can and cannot prove damages.

Janet


The amount they are suing Dr. Phil for is the amount of damage they believe he did to their reputations.  Where do you think that figure came from?



The Kalpoes (at least Deepak) admitted to having sexual relations with Natalee to his friend John Charles Croes:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=192.0

You cannot defame someone by saying that they reported that all 3 had sex with Natalee when the subject (Deepak & Satish) themselves said that in the beginning of the case.

In other words, you can't ruin the reputation of a dushbag  ::MonkeyCool::

Right.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 07, 2010, 07:10:42 PM

The Kalpoes (at least Deepak) admitted to having sexual relations with Natalee to his friend John Charles Croes:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=192.0

You cannot defame someone by saying that they reported that all 3 had sex with Natalee when the subject (Deepak & Satish) themselves said that in the beginning of the case.

In other words, you can't ruin the reputation of a dushbag  ::MonkeyCool::

Klaas

I could be wrong ... I don't think that Deepak or Satish have ever admitted to having sex with Natalee. .

Janet

++++++

Deepak Kalpoe - Suspect Statement - June 13, 2005

To your question as to who John Charles CROES is, where he lives and how often I have chatted to him on "MSN", I can say the following. The afore mentioned John lives with his whole family in Miami. I have known him since school. We were together at the MAVO. On Monday Mai 30th 2005 I had chatted with John from about 02:40 to 03:30 hours. We didn't chat continually. From time to time I went and watched some TV. But I am sure that he was online during the time-frame I just mentioned above here.


Deepak Kalpoe - Suspect Statement - June 29, 2005

You are telling me that John Charles CROES has stated that I wrote while I was chatting with him that I had written that the girl had put her hands in/down my pants, I can say the following. I did this to frustrate/mess up the investigation.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 07, 2010, 07:33:33 PM
Considering I believe that Deepak and Satish participated in the events encompassing the morning of May 30, 2005 and to some extent in the cover up that followed ... I will be furious if the Kalpoes' attorneys are successful in the lawsuit ... furious at Phil McGraw.

Why would the Kalpoes' attorneys file a lawsuit claiming that the Dr. Phil tape was manipulated when common sense would tell them that it would only take a comparison of the tape and Jamie Skeeters' hard drive to reveal the truth?  Could it be that assurance was given by the NFI and ... this is why the lawsuit was filed?

Janet

++++

'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' for December 1
updated 7:37 a.m. PT, Fri., Dec. 2, 2005


ARLENE ELLIS SCHIPPER, ARUBAN STRATEGIC COMM. TASK FORCE: Well, it's not what I think, it is what the Dutch forensic institute thinks and what we have also requested the FBI to confirm, which confirmation we haven't received yet. However, the NFI had four investigators separately look at these tapes, and they say that the Dr. Phil show tapes were edited for content in the following order. Just before the word “she,” there was a cut. And just after the word “did,” there was a cut. And then they compared it to the CD-ROM that Mr. Skeeters sent the officials, and you have seen that piece, and it says, “No, she didn't.” And he shakes his head while doing—while saying that.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10295536/


Judge allows lawsuit to proceed against Dr. Phil
The Associated Press

Date: Wednesday Feb. 6, 2008 10:12 AM ET


The Kalpoes, who have maintained they had nothing to do with Holloway's disappearance, sued in December 2006, claiming the "Dr. Phil" talk show altered portions of a taped conversation between Deepak Kalpoe and a private investigator to "create false, incriminating, and defamatory statements that the plaintiffs engaged in criminal activity against Natalee Holloway."  

The brothers also contend the TV show implied they helped kill Holloway and disposed of her body. Their suit claims defamation, invasion of privacy, emotional distress, fraud, deceit and civil conspiracy.

http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/TopStories/20080206/dr_phil_080206/



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: klaasend on October 07, 2010, 07:57:24 PM

The Kalpoes (at least Deepak) admitted to having sexual relations with Natalee to his friend John Charles Croes:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=192.0

You cannot defame someone by saying that they reported that all 3 had sex with Natalee when the subject (Deepak & Satish) themselves said that in the beginning of the case.

In other words, you can't ruin the reputation of a dushbag  ::MonkeyCool::

Klaas

I could be wrong ... I don't think that Deepak or Satish have ever admitted to having sex with Natalee. .

Janet

++++++

Deepak Kalpoe - Suspect Statement - June 13, 2005

To your question as to who John Charles CROES is, where he lives and how often I have chatted to him on "MSN", I can say the following. The afore mentioned John lives with his whole family in Miami. I have known him since school. We were together at the MAVO. On Monday Mai 30th 2005 I had chatted with John from about 02:40 to 03:30 hours. We didn't chat continually. From time to time I went and watched some TV. But I am sure that he was online during the time-frame I just mentioned above here.


Deepak Kalpoe - Suspect Statement - June 29, 2005

You are telling me that John Charles CROES has stated that I wrote while I was chatting with him that I had written that the girl had put her hands in/down my pants, I can say the following. I did this to frustrate/mess up the investigation.

So according to Deepak he told a lie.  I suppose they all lied to AMDigital on June 4, 2005 as well:

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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: jjayinthemorning on October 07, 2010, 08:05:56 PM
I don't get it. The K2 boys did a segment with Dr Phil? And it aired? And they signed an agreement to do this segment and allowed the producers to edit their words in anyway they felt suitable for viewing pleasure of the audience, which is perfectly normal. And Dr Phil made money off the show and the K2 got some kind of compensation?
And then the K2 brothers sued because the segment made them look bad? And then triied to retact their suit because oopsie, now they couldn't get a job anywhere because the Dr Phil show made them look like lying assisting murdering rapists?
So the K2 brothers then decided they will go to trial because somehow they will make money from this and now they are reverting to saying they lied to LE to throw them off the case and distract them? Which is taqqiya btw, when someone is trapped in a corner it's a legal method of defense.

Did I get it right?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on October 07, 2010, 08:12:11 PM
Thanks for posting the AMDigital article, Klaas. At the very least, the story was out there, and attributed to their own declarations. Why splice something in that is already attributed to them?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: wreck on October 07, 2010, 08:18:25 PM
I don't get it. The K2 boys did a segment with Dr Phil? And it aired? And they signed an agreement to do this segment and allowed the producers to edit their words in anyway they felt suitable for viewing pleasure of the audience, which is perfectly normal. And Dr Phil made money off the show and the K2 got some kind of compensation?
And then the K2 brothers sued because the segment made them look bad? And then triied to retact their suit because oopsie, now they couldn't get a job anywhere because the Dr Phil show made them look like lying assisting murdering rapists?
So the K2 brothers then decided they will go to trial because somehow they will make money from this and now they are reverting to saying they lied to LE to throw them off the case and distract them? Which is taqqiya btw, when someone is trapped in a corner it's a legal method of defense.

Did I get it right?
No.

The kalpoes were never on with Dr. Phil. Jamie Skeeters was with his recorded tapes of his interviews with Deepak. Deepak is claiming the tapes were doctored. Jamie Skeeters has since died and his estate has already been released from the lawsuit. (That alone should tell you something)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on October 07, 2010, 08:18:39 PM
Sorry......... should have added that even from K2's point of view, the defamation had already occurred in a public domain with the exact same content. To me, the real obvious injustice is why Aruba didn't charge them based on those declarations!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: klaasend on October 07, 2010, 08:19:36 PM
I don't get it. The K2 boys did a segment with Dr Phil? And it aired? And they signed an agreement to do this segment and allowed the producers to edit their words in anyway they felt suitable for viewing pleasure of the audience, which is perfectly normal. And Dr Phil made money off the show and the K2 got some kind of compensation?
And then the K2 brothers sued because the segment made them look bad? And then triied to retact their suit because oopsie, now they couldn't get a job anywhere because the Dr Phil show made them look like lying assisting murdering rapists?
So the K2 brothers then decided they will go to trial because somehow they will make money from this and now they are reverting to saying they lied to LE to throw them off the case and distract them? Which is taqqiya btw, when someone is trapped in a corner it's a legal method of defense.

Did I get it right?

Wrong.  Deepak was recorded by Jamie Skeeters in Aruba.  Parts of that was aired on the Dr. Phil show.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: San on October 07, 2010, 08:24:11 PM
Thanks for posting the AMDigital article, Klaas. At the very least, the story was out there, and attributed to their own declarations. Why splice something in that is already attributed to them?

Right CBB.  Imagine when they go to court and they are asked about the statements made against them.

Prosecutor:  Mr. Kalpoe.  Why didn't you sue the papers that made statements against you.

Mr. Kalpoe: Because I would have been found with my hand in my pocket.

 ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: klaasend on October 07, 2010, 08:26:46 PM
Looks like skeletal remains found in Aruba.  We need to follow this closely:  ::MonkeyEek::

http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=4809&offId=0

more photograph by the wesonan attain at costa norte

MAS FOTO DI E WESONAN HAYA NA COSTA NORTE


Lot's of photos and no story yet at this link

(http://www.awe24.com/_moblog_items/4809/13_1286496301.jpg)

(http://www.awe24.com/_moblog_items/4809/6_1286496301.jpg)

(http://www.awe24.com/_moblog_items/4809/11_1286496301.jpg)

(http://www.awe24.com/_moblog_items/4809/18_1286496301.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: wreck on October 07, 2010, 08:32:41 PM
Looks like skeletal remains found in Aruba.  We need to follow this closely:  ::MonkeyEek::

http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=4809&offId=0

more photograph by the wesonan attain at costa norte

MAS FOTO DI E WESONAN HAYA NA COSTA NORTE


Lot's of photos and no story yet at this link

(http://www.awe24.com/_moblog_items/4809/13_1286496301.jpg)

(http://www.awe24.com/_moblog_items/4809/6_1286496301.jpg)
May I be the first to predict it's of a "donkey"????


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: klaasend on October 07, 2010, 08:35:32 PM
This article on the skeleton came first.  How would they come across this at night?

http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=4808&offId=0&offDate=2010-10

A DESCUBRI WESONAN DERA NA COSTA NORTE DEN UN BOCA, A HIBA E WESONAN PA PATOLOGO WAK ESAKINAN

owing to descubri wesonan bury at costa norte in one mouth, owing to bring the wesonan before patologo look at esakinan

(http://www.awe24.com/_moblog_items/4808/5_1286493301.jpg)




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: jjayinthemorning on October 07, 2010, 08:38:56 PM
I don't get it. The K2 boys did a segment with Dr Phil? And it aired? And they signed an agreement to do this segment and allowed the producers to edit their words in anyway they felt suitable for viewing pleasure of the audience, which is perfectly normal. And Dr Phil made money off the show and the K2 got some kind of compensation?
And then the K2 brothers sued because the segment made them look bad? And then triied to retact their suit because oopsie, now they couldn't get a job anywhere because the Dr Phil show made them look like lying assisting murdering rapists?
So the K2 brothers then decided they will go to trial because somehow they will make money from this and now they are reverting to saying they lied to LE to throw them off the case and distract them? Which is taqqiya btw, when someone is trapped in a corner it's a legal method of defense.

Did I get it right?

Wrong.  Deepak was recorded by Jamie Skeeters in Aruba.  Parts of that was aired on the Dr. Phil show.
oh. Ok. thanks.
But producers aren't dumb. They aren't going to make up stuff on a show. And they aren't obligated to make excuses for their editing to make a story that I'm sure they "proposed" rather then used as factual evidence.
It's called in Media "contextual objectivity" and that means that the producers can make anything they want their audience to buy. And it's perfectly legal and a common practice.
So K2 are out of their league and just wanted to cash in kind of like the extortion deal Joran made... seems to me.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: klaasend on October 07, 2010, 08:39:19 PM
The skeleton was found on the north end of the island - Arashi is in the north.  The lighthouse is in the north.  The AMDigital article shows them searching in the north:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/ArashiNorth.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: jjayinthemorning on October 07, 2010, 08:40:09 PM
Those bone collectors aren't wearing gloves and marking a possible crime scene!!!
Not that Aruba follows any rules or anything.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: klaasend on October 07, 2010, 08:40:12 PM
I don't get it. The K2 boys did a segment with Dr Phil? And it aired? And they signed an agreement to do this segment and allowed the producers to edit their words in anyway they felt suitable for viewing pleasure of the audience, which is perfectly normal. And Dr Phil made money off the show and the K2 got some kind of compensation?
And then the K2 brothers sued because the segment made them look bad? And then triied to retact their suit because oopsie, now they couldn't get a job anywhere because the Dr Phil show made them look like lying assisting murdering rapists?
So the K2 brothers then decided they will go to trial because somehow they will make money from this and now they are reverting to saying they lied to LE to throw them off the case and distract them? Which is taqqiya btw, when someone is trapped in a corner it's a legal method of defense.

Did I get it right?

Wrong.  Deepak was recorded by Jamie Skeeters in Aruba.  Parts of that was aired on the Dr. Phil show.
oh. Ok. thanks.
But producers aren't dumb. They aren't going to make up stuff on a show. And they aren't obligated to make excuses for their editing to make a story that I'm sure they "proposed" rather then used as factual evidence.
It's called in Media "contextual objectivity" and that means that the producers can make anything they want their audience to buy. And it's perfectly legal and a common practice.
So K2 are out of their league and just wanted to cash in kind of like the extortion deal Joran made... seems to me.

Yes K2 out of their league.  They were hoping for a quick settlement and that didn't happen. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: klaasend on October 07, 2010, 08:44:26 PM
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/SkeletenAruba100710c.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: klaasend on October 07, 2010, 08:46:31 PM
Problems with Dengue in Aruba:

(http://www.diario.aw/wp-content/themes/diario/images/car.jpg)



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Kermit on October 07, 2010, 08:46:45 PM
I had thought that maybe the highlight portions of the defamation lawsuit would have been dropped.  The implication would be that no questioning of the Kalpoes would be required and ... not case documents would be required.

Janet

+++++

Judge allows lawsuit to proceed against Dr. Phil
The Associated Press

Date: Wednesday Feb. 6, 2008 10:12 AM ET


The Kalpoes, who have maintained they had nothing to do with Holloway's disappearance, sued in December 2006, claiming the "Dr. Phil" talk show altered portions of a taped conversation between Deepak Kalpoe and a private investigator to "create false, incriminating, and defamatory statements that the plaintiffs engaged in criminal activity against Natalee Holloway."

The brothers also contend the TV show implied they helped kill Holloway and disposed of her body. Their suit claims defamation, invasion of privacy, emotional distress, fraud, deceit and civil conspiracy.  

http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/TopStories/20080206/dr_phil_080206/

Judge Smid said that the Kalpoes were involved in body disposal

Ribbit!

However ... no charges ... only suspicions.

It is a given that there are files of case documentation which implies the Kalpoes were suspected of involvement in the happenings leading up to and encompassing the disappearance of Natalee Holloway but ... I fail to comprehend what that has to do with whether or not the disputed segment of the Dr. Phil take was deceptively manipulated ... deceptively manipulated to imply that Deepak implicated himself, Deepak and Satish in the Skeeters' interview.

Janet

++++++


Janet,
You and your daughter-in-law have done excellent work. I'm not sure if this is anything worth an addendum or not, however in my mind it says even a Judge is aware of some evidence that is convincing enough that the Kalpoe brothers were involved in a crime. The fact that they have not been charged points more towards the cover-up in place as your document covers.


The judge reasoned Friday that “the new evidence, together with the existing evidence in this case, produce serious grounds for the suspicion of some kind of aiding and abetting, of covering up the traces of a crime committed or of the disposing of a corpse,” prosecutors said.
http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/americas/11/30/aruba.holloway/index.html
AND
http://scaredmonkeys.com/2007/11/30/natalee-hoolloway-investigation-aruban-judge-orders-kalpoe-brothers-to-be-released/


"There's no doubt in my mind that she's dead," said Hans Mos. "I think we have enough evidence to prove the girl is not alive anymore, even without a body."
http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/americas/11/26/holloway.arrest/index.html









(http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj176/observer0000007/judge.jpg)
"The Kalpoe brothers were previously jailed in the case, but were rearrested last week and charged with being involved in the "voluntary manslaughter" of Holloway.

The judge reasoned Friday that “the new evidence, together with the existing evidence in this case, produce serious grounds for the suspicion of some kind of aiding and abetting, of covering up the traces of a crime committed or of the disposing of a corpse,” prosecutors said.
http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/americas/11/30/aruba.holloway/index.html
AND
http://scaredmonkeys.com/2007/11/30/natalee-hoolloway-investigation-aruban-judge-orders-kalpoe-brothers-to-be-released/


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Magnolia on October 07, 2010, 08:49:12 PM
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/SkeletenAruba100710c.jpg)


Transplant?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: wreck on October 07, 2010, 08:50:16 PM
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/SkeletenAruba100710c.jpg)
IF these bones could be Natalee's -- I want them tested to see if they have been in saltwater ever.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: AZSunny on October 07, 2010, 08:51:40 PM
Looks like skeletal remains found in Aruba.  We need to follow this closely:  ::MonkeyEek::

http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=4809&offId=0

more photograph by the wesonan attain at costa norte

MAS FOTO DI E WESONAN HAYA NA COSTA NORTE


Lot's of photos and no story yet at this link

(http://www.awe24.com/_moblog_items/4809/13_1286496301.jpg)

(http://www.awe24.com/_moblog_items/4809/6_1286496301.jpg)

(http://www.awe24.com/_moblog_items/4809/11_1286496301.jpg)

(http://www.awe24.com/_moblog_items/4809/18_1286496301.jpg)

And where are the plastic gloves and evidence bags!  God, help us.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 07, 2010, 08:53:19 PM
http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=4809&offId=0

(http://www.awe24.com/_moblog_items/4809/6_1286496301.jpg)

zoomed in for this one:

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%2024%20102010/10072010_Awe24_skeleton1.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on October 07, 2010, 08:55:44 PM
Problems with Dengue in Aruba:

(http://www.diario.aw/wp-content/themes/diario/images/car.jpg)



We've heard that 8 couples we know are there right now.  aaack!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: AZSunny on October 07, 2010, 08:56:09 PM
http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=4809&offId=0

(http://www.awe24.com/_moblog_items/4809/6_1286496301.jpg)

zoomed in for this one:

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%2024%20102010/10072010_Awe24_skeleton1.jpg)

Is that human hair on both sides of the skull?  How could it be so intact?  I am feeling sick.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 07, 2010, 08:56:29 PM

The Kalpoes (at least Deepak) admitted to having sexual relations with Natalee to his friend John Charles Croes:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=192.0

You cannot defame someone by saying that they reported that all 3 had sex with Natalee when the subject (Deepak & Satish) themselves said that in the beginning of the case.

In other words, you can't ruin the reputation of a dushbag  ::MonkeyCool::

Klaas

I could be wrong ... I don't think that Deepak or Satish have ever admitted to having sex with Natalee. .

Janet

++++++

Deepak Kalpoe - Suspect Statement - June 13, 2005

To your question as to who John Charles CROES is, where he lives and how often I have chatted to him on "MSN", I can say the following. The afore mentioned John lives with his whole family in Miami. I have known him since school. We were together at the MAVO. On Monday Mai 30th 2005 I had chatted with John from about 02:40 to 03:30 hours. We didn't chat continually. From time to time I went and watched some TV. But I am sure that he was online during the time-frame I just mentioned above here.


Deepak Kalpoe - Suspect Statement - June 29, 2005

You are telling me that John Charles CROES has stated that I wrote while I was chatting with him that I had written that the girl had put her hands in/down my pants, I can say the following. I did this to frustrate/mess up the investigation.

So according to Deepak he told a lie.  I suppose they all lied to AMDigital on June 4, 2005 as well:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/AMDig060405sex.jpg)

I don't doubt that Deepak and/or Satish had sex with Natalee Holloway.  I just do not know if there is any offcial documentation that Aruba would ever released which reveals an admission from either brother.

Steve Cohen ... spokesperson for the investigation ... stated in the public arena that two of the main suspects admitted to having sex with Natalee Holloway.  Cohen later retracted by claiming the admissions were not on official records.

Janet

++++++


Steve Cohen - Media Spokesperson

ARUBA TRUTH - December 7, 2005

A coalition of groups announced Friday the appointment of Steve Cohen to act as spokesperson to North American media, in regards to the Natalee Holloway disappearance case.

Mr. Cohen has been part of the Strategic Communications Task Force since its creation in June. He has a full knowledge of the case ....


CARIBBEAN VOICE - January 18, 2006

If current findings are true, Cohen said they are going to accelerate their efforts. Extensive search for forensic evidence continues. Yesterday, 50 members of the Aruban police department searched extensively through the dune by the lighthouse in search for clues. "Anything DNA that is identified to be of Natalee's will allow us to bring a strong case forward against the three boys. We are also getting to finally talk to some of the Alabama teens who left on that plane and did not wait around for interrogation," said Cohen.

Aruba believes it is most important to get a hold of her mental state and most importantly, Natalee's physical state at the time of disappearance.  "Two of the boys said they had consensual sex with her. Whether consensual or not, depends on her ability to be conscious and make a choice," said Cohen.


ARUBA TRUTH - January 29, 2006

There are concerns about the statements regarding the investigations view of whether or not any of the suspects had consensual sex with Natalee Holloway. It was not my intention to suggest that they had admitted any such actions on the official record.




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Magnolia on October 07, 2010, 08:58:45 PM
http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=4809&offId=0

(http://www.awe24.com/_moblog_items/4809/6_1286496301.jpg)

zoomed in for this one:

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%2024%20102010/10072010_Awe24_skeleton1.jpg)


I just want to cry.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 07, 2010, 09:00:45 PM
Joy Behar is covering Joran's drug story now


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on October 07, 2010, 09:01:01 PM
Janet,

You quoted Aruba Truth twice.....does it exist?   ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: klaasend on October 07, 2010, 09:01:09 PM
Could be dirt not hair.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on October 07, 2010, 09:02:15 PM
Joy Behar is covering Joran's drug story now

Thanks, Texasmom.

 ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 07, 2010, 09:02:26 PM
 ::MonkeyShocked::

Klaas

Where on the Island were these remains located.

Thanks

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: klaasend on October 07, 2010, 09:02:32 PM
TM - 2 articles in awe24 but really only the headline and photos for both.  Found on the north end of the island I believe.  But why would anyone find this at night unless they were specifically looking?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: klaasend on October 07, 2010, 09:03:00 PM
Janet - on the Arashi/Lighthouse end


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 07, 2010, 09:06:52 PM
TM - 2 articles in awe24 but really only the headline and photos for both.  Found on the north end of the island I believe.  But why would anyone find this at night unless they were specifically looking?

Yes, it does say on the north coast.  My guess is they could have found the spot during the day, called it in...and it took that long for ALE to show up.

I know they've had a lot of rain lately, but it also looks like the ground has either broken away, or was being excavated...notice how neatly the ground is cut...



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: wreck on October 07, 2010, 09:09:22 PM
TM - 2 articles in awe24 but really only the headline and photos for both.  Found on the north end of the island I believe.  But why would anyone find this at night unless they were specifically looking?
I'm dubious at best - but at this point -- PLEASE, just let it be her so she can come home. We'll sort out the mess later.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: AZSunny on October 07, 2010, 09:09:29 PM
What does the headline say?  I am feeling numb and dizzy...can it be?

 Is that guy holding the flashlight, look like he is standing on part of the body?  Is that a car or building behind them? 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 07, 2010, 09:10:08 PM
TM - 2 articles in awe24 but really only the headline and photos for both.  Found on the north end of the island I believe.  But why would anyone find this at night unless they were specifically looking?

Yes, it does say on the north coast.  My guess is they could have found the spot during the day, called it in...and it took that long for ALE to show up.

I know they've had a lot of rain lately, but it also looks like the ground has either broken away, or was being excavated...notice how neatly the ground is cut...



http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=4808&offId=0&offDate=2010-10

Papiamentu & Spanish translation:

1 hour Happen | date: 07/10/2010 | time: 19:09 Owing to bury wesonan discovered at North Coast in one mouth, wesonan Owing to bring the pathologist look at esakinan Before we will follow reports


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 07, 2010, 09:10:51 PM
Janet,

You quoted Aruba Truth twice.....does it exist?   ::MonkeyNoNo::

2NJ

I am not sure but at one time Aruba Truth must have existed.

Janet

+++++

Steve Cohen - The Strategic Communications Task Force - 12-7-05

Aruba Selects Spokesman For North America


A coalition of groups announced Friday the appointment of Steve Cohen to act as spokesperson to North American media, in regards to the Natalee Holloway disappearance case. AHATA and the ATA appointed Cohen to deal with all media relations concerning the case which still commands media coverage in the United States. Mr. Cohen has been part of the Strategic Communications Task Force since its creation in June. He has a full knowledge of the case and is an associate of the Strategic Message Design.

http://www.arubatruth.com/?p=17

http://arubanboycott.blogspot.com/2007_07_01_archive.html



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: klaasend on October 07, 2010, 09:11:49 PM
http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=4809&offId=0

MAS FOTO DI E WESONAN HAYA NA COSTA NORTE


MAS FOTO DI E WESONAN HAYA NA COSTA NORTE

Tabata algo prome cu 6.30 or di atardi, cu un famia a dicidi di bay cana na costa norte di Aruba, poco mas pariba di Alto Vista. Di acuerdo cu informacionnan recibi, nan a bay banda di un rancho, unda e muchanan tabata piki cocolishi.

Un dado momento, e tata a descubri un parti unda awa di yobida tabata basha for di e barancanan y a crea un canal coba den e canal ey e tata a mira manera paña di hende, y tin lo tin un weso ta sali for di bao di e santo mesora ela coba un poco mas y a haya mas weso.

Mesora e famia aki a yama polis pero mirando cu tabata bira scur entre tanto ela yama un otro amigo cu ta traha na Hospital, kende a dicidi di bay dibiaha na e sitio. Na yegada di polis mesora a investiga e area rond pero debi na cu a bira scur a dificulta e trabaonan un poco pero debi cu na prome bista ta mustra cu ta probablemente di un bestia pero pa mas sigur ela hiba loke ta parce weso humano p’e Patologo haci un investigacion, mientras cu polis a tuma nota di loke a keda descubri. Y si resulta di ta weso humano lo bolbe pa sigui cu investigacion.


Through translator:


more photograph by the wesonan attain at costa norte

  was algo first cu 6.30 or by afternoon, cu one family owing to dicidi by bay march at costa norte by aruba, some more east by alto vista. by acuerdo cu informacionnan recibi, they owing to bay near by one rancho, where the children was piki cocolishi. one dado instant, the father owing to descubri one part where water by yobida was pour for by the barancanan y owing to crea one canal coba in the canal ey the father owing to see manner clothes by person, y have will have one bone is depart for by bao by the sand at once ela coba one some more y owing to attain more bone. at once the family here owing to be called police but mirando cu was become dark among tanto ela be called one another amigo cu is work at hospital, that owing to dicidi by bay dibiaha at the sitio. at arrival by police at once owing to investiga the area rond but debi at cu owing to become dark owing to dificulta the trabaonan one some but debi cu at first view is indicate cu is probably by one animal but before more assure ela bring thing is seems bone human p’e patologo haci one investigacion, while cu police did take make a note by thing owing to remain descubri. y if resulta by is bone human will go back before follow cu investigacion.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 07, 2010, 09:11:58 PM
Janet - on the Arashi/Lighthouse end

Thanks

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: klaasend on October 07, 2010, 09:12:20 PM
Sounds like they are saying it's probably animal gone (yeah right) but if human they will open an investigation.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Magnolia on October 07, 2010, 09:16:22 PM
Sounds like they are saying it's probably animal gone (yeah right) but if human they will open an investigation.


It's been a good while since I saw an animal dressed in denim. ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 07, 2010, 09:17:18 PM
What does the headline say?  I am feeling numb and dizzy...can it be?

 Is that guy holding the flashlight, look like he is standing on part of the body?  Is that a car or building behind them? 

It looks like a building to me.  Here's a couple shots that I was looking at.

http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=4809&offId=0

(http://www.awe24.com/_moblog_items/4809/5_1286496301.jpg)

(http://www.awe24.com/_moblog_items/4809/9_1286496301.jpg)

Whatever that is hanging out of the doorway looks like it may be the same color as some pieces in the picture below.

(http://www.awe24.com/_moblog_items/4809/10_1286496301.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 07, 2010, 09:19:16 PM
TM - 2 articles in awe24 but really only the headline and photos for both.  Found on the north end of the island I believe.  But why would anyone find this at night unless they were specifically looking?


The June 10th Confession

ORANJESTAD, Aruba, June 12, 2005
Aruba Case Appears Stalled
Police No Closer To Solving Missing Teen's Disappearance


Holloway's family rushed late Friday to an old stone lighthouse beside Arisha beach after Deputy Police Commissioner Gerold Dompig told The Associated Press that one of three young men in custody admitted that "something bad happened" to Holloway and was leading police to the scene of the alleged crime.

The three men--the son of a Dutch justice ministry official and two Surinamese brothers--said they took Holloway to the lighthouse in the early hours of May 30, after a night of dancing and drinking. She has not been seen since.

 http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/06/10/national/main700829.shtml



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: klaasend on October 07, 2010, 09:30:00 PM
The article mentions Alto Vista:

http://www.panoramio.com/photo/372322

(http://mw2.google.com/mw-panoramio/photos/medium/372322.jpg)



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: klaasend on October 07, 2010, 09:30:36 PM
That building looks like it could be a fisherman's hut.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: klaasend on October 07, 2010, 09:35:28 PM
What does the headline say?  I am feeling numb and dizzy...can it be?

 Is that guy holding the flashlight, look like he is standing on part of the body?  Is that a car or building behind them? 

It looks like a building to me.  Here's a couple shots that I was looking at.

http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=4809&offId=0

(http://www.awe24.com/_moblog_items/4809/5_1286496301.jpg)

(http://www.awe24.com/_moblog_items/4809/9_1286496301.jpg)

Whatever that is hanging out of the doorway looks like it may be the same color as some pieces in the picture below.

(http://www.awe24.com/_moblog_items/4809/10_1286496301.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/BonesBuildingCloseup100710.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 07, 2010, 09:37:03 PM
Janet,

You quoted Aruba Truth twice.....does it exist?   ::MonkeyNoNo::

Sometimes it takes a while but ... 2NJ I get your drift.

Aruba Truth?  An oxymorons.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 07, 2010, 09:39:20 PM
Klaas

Are there Fisherman's Huts near the lighthouse beside Arisha beach?

Thanks

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: klaasend on October 07, 2010, 09:43:29 PM
Klaas

Are there Fisherman's Huts near the lighthouse beside Arisha beach?

Thanks

Janet

Yes but I think they are not like the other FH.  Let me get a pic.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: wreck on October 07, 2010, 09:43:49 PM
What does the headline say?  I am feeling numb and dizzy...can it be?

Is that guy holding the flashlight, look like he is standing on part of the body?   Is that a car or building behind them? 
Yeah, looks like the real version of the show CSI!!!  ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyRoll::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 07, 2010, 09:44:14 PM
TM - 2 articles in awe24 but really only the headline and photos for both.  Found on the north end of the island I believe.  But why would anyone find this at night unless they were specifically looking?
I'm dubious at best - but at this point -- PLEASE, just let it be her so she can come home. We'll sort out the mess later.

Who is "We"?

(http://bestsmileys.com/funny/2.gif)




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 07, 2010, 09:47:10 PM
What does the headline say?  I am feeling numb and dizzy...can it be?

Is that guy holding the flashlight, look like he is standing on part of the body?   Is that a car or building behind them? 
Yeah, looks like the real version of the show CSI!!!  ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyRoll::

Aruba style!   ::monkeywine2::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: klaasend on October 07, 2010, 09:49:07 PM
Klaas

Are there Fisherman's Huts near the lighthouse beside Arisha beach?

Thanks

Janet

Yes but I think they are not like the other FH.  Let me get a pic.

(http://0.tqn.com/d/hotels/1/0/t/y/1/california_lighthouse.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: AZSunny on October 07, 2010, 09:49:29 PM
Klaas

Are there Fisherman's Huts near the lighthouse beside Arisha beach?

Thanks

Janet

Yes but I think they are not like the other FH.  Let me get a pic.

As I remember from a distance, they were much more lean-to like than enclosed huts.  That was 5 years ago, and my vision from the restuarant and light house area, and it was on the to the left of the  lighthouse if you were looking north.  East?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: wreck on October 07, 2010, 09:49:43 PM
TM - 2 articles in awe24 but really only the headline and photos for both.  Found on the north end of the island I believe.  But why would anyone find this at night unless they were specifically looking?
I'm dubious at best - but at this point -- PLEASE, just let it be her so she can come home. We'll sort out the mess later.

Who is "We"?

(http://bestsmileys.com/funny/2.gif)



Those of us that have been here for 5 1/2 years to seek justice for Natalee. I am kind of hurt that you are suggesting otherwise.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: AZSunny on October 07, 2010, 09:51:19 PM
Klaas

Are there Fisherman's Huts near the lighthouse beside Arisha beach?

Thanks

Janet

Yes but I think they are not like the other FH.  Let me get a pic.

(http://0.tqn.com/d/hotels/1/0/t/y/1/california_lighthouse.jpg)

Yes, that is the location, but I remember them being more 'blown away" looking, not bright and shiny.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: wreck on October 07, 2010, 09:53:05 PM
and by "mess" - I'm referring to the whens, whys, and whos of how she got there.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 07, 2010, 09:55:26 PM
and by "mess" - I'm referring to the whens, whys, and whos of how she got there.

I think most of us understood what you were saying wreck...jmo   ::CowboySmiley::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: AZSunny on October 07, 2010, 09:56:06 PM
Klaas

Are there Fisherman's Huts near the lighthouse beside Arisha beach?

Thanks

Janet

Yes but I think they are not like the other FH.  Let me get a pic.

(http://0.tqn.com/d/hotels/1/0/t/y/1/california_lighthouse.jpg)

Yes, that is the location, but I remember them being more 'blown away" looking, not bright and shiny.

I don't see the sand in the pictures looking that white, but more like that further back.  Klaas...the rocks, that sand color.  I am sick.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: klaasend on October 07, 2010, 09:57:31 PM
Klaas

Are there Fisherman's Huts near the lighthouse beside Arisha beach?

Thanks

Janet

Yes but I think they are not like the other FH.  Let me get a pic.

(http://0.tqn.com/d/hotels/1/0/t/y/1/california_lighthouse.jpg)

Yes, that is the location, but I remember them being more 'blown away" looking, not bright and shiny.

There are these that are just north of the ones near the Marriott (I believe)

(http://www.striderusa.com/images/aruba_huts.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: AZSunny on October 07, 2010, 10:00:42 PM
Klaas

Are there Fisherman's Huts near the lighthouse beside Arisha beach?

Thanks

Janet

Yes but I think they are not like the other FH.  Let me get a pic.

(http://0.tqn.com/d/hotels/1/0/t/y/1/california_lighthouse.jpg)

Yes, that is the location, but I remember them being more 'blown away" looking, not bright and shiny.

There are these that are just north of the ones near the Marriott (I believe)

(http://www.striderusa.com/images/aruba_huts.jpg)

You last picture is what I remember they looked like looking down from the restaurant area.  I suppose they could have rebuilt them sturdier in 5 1/2 years.   they almost look like they are a plastic foam type building now.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: AZSunny on October 07, 2010, 10:03:56 PM
What does the headline say?  I am feeling numb and dizzy...can it be?

 Is that guy holding the flashlight, look like he is standing on part of the body?  Is that a car or building behind them? 

It looks like a building to me.  Here's a couple shots that I was looking at.

http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=4809&offId=0

(http://www.awe24.com/_moblog_items/4809/5_1286496301.jpg)

(http://www.awe24.com/_moblog_items/4809/9_1286496301.jpg)

Whatever that is hanging out of the doorway looks like it may be the same color as some pieces in the picture below.

(http://www.awe24.com/_moblog_items/4809/10_1286496301.jpg)

What is that buried plastic behind his foot?  I am thinking of the drain plastic.  they sure as hell aren't protecting the area. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 07, 2010, 10:15:34 PM
Thanks Klaas.

IF the remains are Natalee Holloway ... it breaks my heart to think that the family was so close to her on June 10, 2005 prior to the confession retraction.

Janet

+++++


The Confession - Jun 10, 2005

Reports Conflict in Case of Missing Ala. Teen
Saturday, June 11, 2005


David Cruz, a spokesman for the Aruban Minister of Justice (search) told FOX News Natalee Holloway (search), who was on vacation with friends with a graduation trip when she disappeared, was confirmed dead and that authorities knew the location of her body.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,159252,00.html


Frustration in Aruba
June 15, 2005


RICK LEVENTHAL: We reconfirmed the information with Croues before going on-air with it.
 
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,159664,00.html
 

ORANJESTAD, Aruba, June 12, 2005
Aruba Case Appears Stalled


Holloway's family rushed late Friday to an old stone lighthouse beside Arisha beach after Deputy Police Commissioner Gerold Dompig told The Associated Press that one of three young men in custody admitted that "something bad happened" to Holloway and was leading police to the scene of the alleged crime.
 
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/06/10/national/main700829.shtml


May 28, 2006
Holloway talks about Natalee’s missing year


DAVE HOLLOWAY: At some point into this investigation, as time goes on and you don’t find her, you start realizing that things are not looking good. We got that confirmation pretty much from the FBI on June 10. They came to us and said the investigation appears to be heading toward a homicide case.

http://www.meridianstar.com/local/local_story_148205455.html


'Scarborough Country' for Oct. 24th
updated 10/25/2005 10:06:01 AM ET 2005-10-25T14:06:01


BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, MOTHER OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY:  And that was the day that the FBI came in, Doug Shipley (ph) came in and said that the way the interrogations are unfolding, there‘s a strong possibility that Natalee may not be alive. That was huge. That was the day that—I think, Joe, everyone buried Natalee that day, on June 10.

And then it just—from there, the night went on. There were body sightings, countless. They were knocking on my door. They thought they found her. Oh, no, they didn‘t. It went on from 2:00 a.m. to 3:00 a.m. to 4:00 a.m. It was horrific.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9813596/


Confusion Reigns in Natalee Holloway Case
Friday June 10, 2005


Then Justice Minister Rudy Croes told reporters early Saturday morning that the rumor that one of the students had confessed was a lie, throwing the media on the island into confusion and prompting conflicting news alerts from the Caribbean. Croes emphatically denied that any confession had been made.

http://crime.about.com/b/2005/06/10/confusion-reigns-in-natalee-holloway-case.htm


Reports Conflict in Case of Missing Ala. Teen
Saturday, June 11, 2005


Cruz later retracted the statement, saying he was a victim of a "misinformation campaign."

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,159252,00.html



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 07, 2010, 10:17:41 PM
TM - 2 articles in awe24 but really only the headline and photos for both.  Found on the north end of the island I believe.  But why would anyone find this at night unless they were specifically looking?
I'm dubious at best - but at this point -- PLEASE, just let it be her so she can come home. We'll sort out the mess later.

Who is "We"?

(http://bestsmileys.com/funny/2.gif)

Those of us that have been here for 5 1/2 years to seek justice for Natalee. I am kind of hurt that you are suggesting otherwise.

Wreck ... it was just my futile attempt at humor.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: wreck on October 07, 2010, 10:18:28 PM
Thanks Klaas.

IF the remains are Natalee Holloway ... it breaks my heart to think that the family was so close to her on June 10, 2005 prior to the confession retraction.

Janet

+++++


The Confession - Jun 10, 2005

Reports Conflict in Case of Missing Ala. Teen
Saturday, June 11, 2005


David Cruz, a spokesman for the Aruban Minister of Justice (search) told FOX News Natalee Holloway (search), who was on vacation with friends with a graduation trip when she disappeared, was confirmed dead and that authorities knew the location of her body.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,159252,00.html


Frustration in Aruba
June 15, 2005


RICK LEVENTHAL: We reconfirmed the information with Croues before going on-air with it.
 
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,159664,00.html
 

ORANJESTAD, Aruba, June 12, 2005
Aruba Case Appears Stalled


Holloway's family rushed late Friday to an old stone lighthouse beside Arisha beach after Deputy Police Commissioner Gerold Dompig told The Associated Press that one of three young men in custody admitted that "something bad happened" to Holloway and was leading police to the scene of the alleged crime.
 
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/06/10/national/main700829.shtml


May 28, 2006
Holloway talks about Natalee’s missing year


DAVE HOLLOWAY: At some point into this investigation, as time goes on and you don’t find her, you start realizing that things are not looking good. We got that confirmation pretty much from the FBI on June 10. They came to us and said the investigation appears to be heading toward a homicide case.

http://www.meridianstar.com/local/local_story_148205455.html


'Scarborough Country' for Oct. 24th
updated 10/25/2005 10:06:01 AM ET 2005-10-25T14:06:01


BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, MOTHER OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY:  And that was the day that the FBI came in, Doug Shipley (ph) came in and said that the way the interrogations are unfolding, there‘s a strong possibility that Natalee may not be alive. That was huge. That was the day that—I think, Joe, everyone buried Natalee that day, on June 10.

And then it just—from there, the night went on. There were body sightings, countless. They were knocking on my door. They thought they found her. Oh, no, they didn‘t. It went on from 2:00 a.m. to 3:00 a.m. to 4:00 a.m. It was horrific.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9813596/


Confusion Reigns in Natalee Holloway Case
Friday June 10, 2005


Then Justice Minister Rudy Croes told reporters early Saturday morning that the rumor that one of the students had confessed was a lie, throwing the media on the island into confusion and prompting conflicting news alerts from the Caribbean. Croes emphatically denied that any confession had been made.

http://crime.about.com/b/2005/06/10/confusion-reigns-in-natalee-holloway-case.htm


Reports Conflict in Case of Missing Ala. Teen
Saturday, June 11, 2005


Cruz later retracted the statement, saying he was a victim of a "misinformation campaign."

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,159252,00.html


We are getting waaaay ahead of ourselves -- but, I HIGHLY doubt those bones were there in June 2005.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Anna on October 07, 2010, 10:21:58 PM
Here we go again!  Is that not clearly a human skull right in the flashlight beam?  What do they mean if the bones are not animal bones? 

Gotta love that Aruban CSI techniques--trample everything first.

But could it be?  Could it just be her?  How do we not get hopes up again?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: antunym on October 07, 2010, 10:22:36 PM
and by "mess" - I'm referring to the whens, whys, and whos of how she got there.

I agree with you wreck.. I pray everyday that Natalee is brought home. 

The sooner she is home the more at peace many of us would be.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 07, 2010, 10:24:33 PM
Wreck

I believe you may be right.  However ... if the remains are Natalee Holloway ... as you implied ... the discovery would bring a measure of closure for the family.  Natalee could be brought home ... home to rest on American soil.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 07, 2010, 10:25:33 PM
SELF-EDIT

may be s/b may be right

Fixed = San


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: antunym on October 07, 2010, 10:27:11 PM
Here we go again!  Is that not clearly a human skull right in the flashlight beam?  What do they mean if the bones are not animal bones? 

Gotta love that Aruban CSI techniques--trample everything first.

But could it be?  Could it just be her?  How do we not get hopes up again?

With the shadow cast over Aruba from all that has happened a normal person would think

that a possible burial site of remains would be more secured and properly handled.. but not


with these morons.  And I agree with checking any of Natalee's remains for traces of salt


water.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Anna on October 07, 2010, 10:28:24 PM
and by "mess" - I'm referring to the whens, whys, and whos of how she got there.

I agree with you wreck.. I pray everyday that Natalee is brought home. 

The sooner she is home the more at peace many of us would be.


Exactly!  Is this the area Dave Holloway saw the policeman with his trunk open?



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: wreck on October 07, 2010, 10:31:19 PM
Wreck

I believe you may be.  However ... if the remains are Natalee Holloway ... as you implied ... the discovery would bring a measure of closure for the family.  Natalee could be brought home ... home to rest on American soil.

Janet

What do you think my whole point was???? I just want it to be Natalee so she can come home. We can worry about the details later.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 07, 2010, 10:34:42 PM
and by "mess" - I'm referring to the whens, whys, and whos of how she got there.

I agree with you wreck.. I pray everyday that Natalee is brought home. 

The sooner she is home the more at peace many of us would be.


Exactly!  Is this the area Dave Holloway saw the policeman with his trunk open?



California lighthouse?

Janet

+++++

Corruption in Paradise - Dave Holloway

Page 108-109:
  There had been so many stories and so much speculation that my head was spinning.  Some things occurred that made me wonder if there was a reasonable explanation for them or whether there were people in the police department who were deliberately working against our best interests.

[For instance, on June 2, 2005, during those first few days after Natalee’s disappearance, I had traveled to the California Lighthouse to initiate the land search with a group of approximately twenty to thirty tourists and locals.  The light house is elevated above the sand dunes.

The Dutch Marines had been activated and were traveling to the area to conduct there own search.  I was not aware they were going to show up.  But I had to wonder if someone tipped them off that we were going to be in the area searching.  Since it was still very early in the investigation, we did not realize that this area might have been part of a possible crime scene.

Just as we were organizing at the lighthouse, my attention was diverted to a police car that had entered the sand dunes in the distance.  The vehicle was crisscrossing through the dunes, making it appear as though a frantic search was being conducted.  The car stopped by a hug boulder, but it was partially blocked from my view.  Did they find Natalee?  I wondered.  My brother Phil and I noticed two police officers hurriedly looking around in the sand.  The trunk of their car was open, but by the time we were able to get down there in the four-wheeler, the officers were getting back into their vehicles and leaving.

I did not tell anyone else about this incident right away because it was the first day of our search and we did not have very many suspicions at the time.  Subsequently, I reported the officers’ strange activity to the FBI and asked that it only be reported to the chief of police and the prosecutor.

In hindsight, I wonder if they had found Natalee buried in the sand and did not let us know.  Or maybe they were looking for Joran’s sneakers or some other evidence.  It looked very suspicious.  I later heard that a woman came forward who said that she heard about a policeman who helped dig up Natalee’s body from the same area.




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 07, 2010, 10:41:10 PM
Wreck

I believe you may be.  However ... if the remains are Natalee Holloway ... as you implied ... the discovery would bring a measure of closure for the family.  Natalee could be brought home ... home to rest on American soil.

Janet

What do you think my whole point was???? I just want it to be Natalee so she can come home. We can worry about the details later.

Wreck

I agree.

I misunderstood your original post.  I apologize.  I thought "worrying later about the mess to be cleaned up" was referring to justifying what we have perceived as a Persistence betrayal for the past almost two years. 

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 07, 2010, 10:42:48 PM
Thanks San.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Magnolia on October 07, 2010, 10:52:45 PM
 ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on October 07, 2010, 11:09:46 PM
Janet,

You quoted Aruba Truth twice.....does it exist?   ::MonkeyNoNo::

Sometimes it takes a while but ... 2NJ I get your drift.

Aruba Truth?  An oxymorons.

Janet

 ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 07, 2010, 11:15:25 PM
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/SkeletenAruba100710c.jpg)
IF these bones could be Natalee's -- I want them tested to see if they have been in saltwater ever.

BUMP... ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 07, 2010, 11:16:58 PM
Janet,

You quoted Aruba Truth twice.....does it exist?   ::MonkeyNoNo::

Sometimes it takes a while but ... 2NJ I get your drift.

Aruba Truth?  An oxymoron.

Janet

 ::MonkeyWink::

I was googling like mad ... thinking I had gotten the publication wrong.  I thought maybe it should be Aruba Today.  Then the light shone.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: wreck on October 07, 2010, 11:18:13 PM
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/SkeletenAruba100710c.jpg)
IF these bones could be Natalee's -- I want them tested to see if they have been in saltwater ever.

BUMP... ::MonkeyWink::
Thank-you!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: AZSunny on October 07, 2010, 11:19:38 PM
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/SkeletenAruba100710c.jpg)
IF these bones could be Natalee's -- I want them tested to see if they have been in saltwater ever.

BUMP... ::MonkeyWink::

 Yes, that is probably denim, but do you think they will ever look there??..they are stepping on everything! totally unsecured.   :smt097


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 07, 2010, 11:29:10 PM
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/SkeletenAruba100710c.jpg)
IF these bones could be Natalee's -- I want them tested to see if they have been in saltwater ever.

I agree.

When the June 10, 2005 confession is considered ... that location would be the ideal place for Aruba to plant Natalee's remains in an attempt to distract focus off THE trap.

Is the timing coincidental?

Janet

++++

It's been alluded to, but I'll come out and say it outright:

What IF the reason Tim is angry is because the the "documentary" Peter and Beth are working on exposes the Persistence and TES complicity?





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 07, 2010, 11:30:38 PM
Thank you Klaas for all the images you posted related to this find.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 07, 2010, 11:31:04 PM
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/SkeletenAruba100710c.jpg)
IF these bones could be Natalee's -- I want them tested to see if they have been in saltwater ever.

BUMP... ::MonkeyWink::
Thank-you!

You're welcome!    ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: AZSunny on October 07, 2010, 11:40:11 PM
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/SkeletenAruba100710c.jpg)
IF these bones could be Natalee's -- I want them tested to see if they have been in saltwater ever.

BUMP... ::MonkeyWink::
Thank-you!

What is that on the right?  Is that garbage, or evidence bags, and he is digging under or by a rock??

You're welcome!    ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Magnolia on October 07, 2010, 11:41:05 PM
Keep 'em jigglin', Sporterrrrrr!!!!


(http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w214/iliketoN0KTEM/anitajiggle.gif)


::MonkeyBike::

Thank you Carpe for the picture you posted today! ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: AZSunny on October 07, 2010, 11:41:18 PM
sorry...got in the post before... this is my post....

What is that on the right?  Is that garbage, or evidence bags, and he is digging under or by a rock??


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: wreck on October 07, 2010, 11:56:07 PM
sorry...got in the post before... this is my post....

What is that on the right?  Is that garbage, or evidence bags, and he is digging under or by a rock??

In Aruba they serve as both.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 07, 2010, 11:59:32 PM
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/SkeletenAruba100710c.jpg)
IF these bones could be Natalee's -- I want them tested to see if they have been in saltwater ever.

BUMP... ::MonkeyWink::

 Yes, that is probably denim, but do you think they will ever look there??..they are stepping on everything! totally unsecured.   :smt097

Don't let it bother you too much azsunny.  Think about it and I'm sure you'll recognize the typical ALE modus operandi.  Contaminate the entire "crime scene" so that no one will be able to definitely determine that it's completely staged.  The remains were found in a "wash" so the presence of salt water is not surprising at all...and on and on and on.

The first sign to look for I guess would be any follow up news reports on the find at all.

JMO

Nothing on 24ora yet...







Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 08, 2010, 12:03:56 AM
Keep 'em jigglin', Sporterrrrrr!!!!


(http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w214/iliketoN0KTEM/anitajiggle.gif)


::MonkeyBike::



Thank you Carpe for the picture you posted today! ::MonkeyDevil::

That was a good one!   ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on October 08, 2010, 12:07:37 AM
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/SkeletenAruba100710c.jpg)
IF these bones could be Natalee's -- I want them tested to see if they have been in saltwater ever.

BUMP... ::MonkeyWink::

 Yes, that is probably denim, but do you think they will ever look there??..they are stepping on everything! totally unsecured.   :smt097

Don't let it bother you too much azsunny.  Think about it and I'm sure you'll recognize the typical ALE modus operandi.  Contaminate the entire "crime scene" so that no one will be able to definitely determine that it's completely staged.  The remains were found in a "wash" so the presence of salt water is not surprising at all...and on and on and on.

The first sign to look for I guess would be any follow up news reports on the find at all.

JMO

Nothing on 24ora yet...




They have some time to come up with a story.  (ya think?)

As for the weather....it crossed my mind that it wasn't the best when I checked the web cam this week and saw a man holding an umbrella....then, the female of a young couple we know posted something on facebook about her husband buying her something because it wasn't sunny.  Not sure when we'll run into the other couples that are staying there until Saturday to really know what the daily weather was like. 

I think someone mentioned the timing of this earlier.....it's unbelievable.....and the pictures....omg.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Magnolia on October 08, 2010, 12:09:47 AM
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/SkeletenAruba100710c.jpg)
IF these bones could be Natalee's -- I want them tested to see if they have been in saltwater ever.

BUMP... ::MonkeyWink::

 Yes, that is probably denim, but do you think they will ever look there??..they are stepping on everything! totally unsecured.   :smt097

Don't let it bother you too much azsunny.  Think about it and I'm sure you'll recognize the typical ALE modus operandi.  Contaminate the entire "crime scene" so that no one will be able to definitely determine that it's completely staged.  The remains were found in a "wash" so the presence of salt water is not surprising at all...and on and on and on.

The first sign to look for I guess would be any follow up news reports on the find at all.

JMO

Nothing on 24ora yet...








They are waiting for the medical examiner to get there and he can't make it for a day or two.
It is just disgusting.

In the meantime Anita and Sebas will go on a secret mission tonight.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on October 08, 2010, 12:25:16 AM
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/SkeletenAruba100710c.jpg)
IF these bones could be Natalee's -- I want them tested to see if they have been in saltwater ever.

BUMP... ::MonkeyWink::

 Yes, that is probably denim, but do you think they will ever look there??..they are stepping on everything! totally unsecured.   :smt097

I'm sure if asked, they would assure us it's fishnet.   :roll:


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on October 08, 2010, 12:28:56 AM
Wasn't it near Arashi that this pic was taken?

(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/Case/natsh.gif)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on October 08, 2010, 12:30:56 AM
Sorry........ this was the actual picture. The other was my attempt to overlay it with Nat's shirt.

(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/Case/jugfabric1.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 08, 2010, 12:32:28 AM

Yes, that is probably denim, but do you think they will ever look there??..they are stepping on everything! totally unsecured.   :smt097

I'm sure if asked, they would assure us it's fishnet.   :roll:

 ::rhino::

CBB ... thank you for my Autumn Avi.

Good Night Monkeys.

Janet
9:30 PM PT


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on October 08, 2010, 12:33:19 AM

Yes, that is probably denim, but do you think they will ever look there??..they are stepping on everything! totally unsecured.   :smt097

I'm sure if asked, they would assure us it's fishnet.   :roll:

 ::rhino::

CBB ... thank you for my Autumn Avi.

Good Night Monkeys.

Janet
9:30 PM PT

You're more than welcome, Janet! Good night!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on October 08, 2010, 12:42:42 AM
http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=4809&offId=0

(http://www.awe24.com/_moblog_items/4809/6_1286496301.jpg)

zoomed in for this one:

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%2024%20102010/10072010_Awe24_skeleton1.jpg)

I'm bumping pictures. That looks like a human skull to me. That's a weird place to bury a body. From where the police guy is standing to where the others are standing, it looks like it was buried in an embankment.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 08, 2010, 12:44:25 AM
Sorry........ this was the actual picture. The other was my attempt to overlay it with Nat's shirt.

(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/Case/jugfabric1.jpg)


What did the Aruba Park Ranger pick up at Boca Tortuga area? Fabric that matched Natalee’s Top?
Posted June 18, 2006 by Scared Monkeys


http://scaredmonkeys.com/2006/06/18/what-did-the-aruba-park-ranger-pick-up-at-boca-tortuga-area-fabric-that-matched-natalees-top/






Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: antunym on October 08, 2010, 12:50:20 AM

Yes, that is probably denim, but do you think they will ever look there??..they are stepping on everything! totally unsecured.   :smt097

I'm sure if asked, they would assure us it's fishnet.   :roll:

 ::rhino::

CBB ... thank you for my Autumn Avi.

Good Night Monkeys.

Janet
9:30 PM PT


Goodnight Janet and goodnight to every one of you great monkeys!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: billb's daughter on October 08, 2010, 12:53:37 AM
"finding"  Natalee and sending her home is the first order for aruba......
What happens after that......
If the bones are Natalee's remains....coincidence.... ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 08, 2010, 01:00:02 AM
http://www.people.com/people/

From the July 4, 2005 Edition of People Magazine

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/07042005_PeopleMagazine_1.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/07042005_PeopleMagazine_2-1.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/07042005_PeopleMagazine_3-1.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/07042005_PeopleMagazine_4.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/07042005_PeopleMagazine_5.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/07042005_PeopleMagazine_6.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/07042005_PeopleMagazine_7.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: billb's daughter on October 08, 2010, 01:08:09 AM
If aruba authorities do have Natalee's remains....however "discovered"
they need to be upfront and come clean in returning them to Beth and Dave....with due respect and sincere apologies
any games they may try to play will keep the tourism down...there are too many (Scared Monkeys) that know too much to allow aruba to continue the scam.....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: wreck on October 08, 2010, 01:09:23 AM
If aruba authorities do have Natalee's remains....however "discovered"
they need to be upfront and come clean in returning them to Beth and Dave....with due respect and sincere apologies
any games they may try to play will keep the tourism down...there are too many (Scared Monkeys) that know too much to allow aruba to continue the scam.....
Exactly! Let's get her home -- then we will "unleash"!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: wreck on October 08, 2010, 01:13:44 AM
Goodnight!  ::CowboySmiley::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: billb's daughter on October 08, 2010, 01:15:44 AM
If aruba authorities do have Natalee's remains....however "discovered"
they need to be upfront and come clean in returning them to Beth and Dave....with due respect and sincere apologies
any games they may try to play will keep the tourism down...there are too many (Scared Monkeys) that know too much to allow aruba to continue the scam.....
Exactly! Let's get her home -- then we will "unleash"!
Absolutely wreck! "unleash"! is the best aruba can expect.....
"unleashed"!
will be aruba's worst nightmare if they don't come clean......


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: billb's daughter on October 08, 2010, 01:29:46 AM
Good Night Good Monkeys.......
Justice for Natalee is just around the corner..... ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Magnolia on October 08, 2010, 02:02:59 AM
Posted: Thu Oct 07, 2010 9:46 pm at RU


iquitos wrote:

is probably an animal bone. they will investigate further if it turns out to be a human.

resigned wrote:

ALE are amazing - they can eyeball an animal bone from a hundred yards. I bet they already have a working theory that the animal committed suicide.   


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on October 08, 2010, 03:16:45 AM
Posted: Thu Oct 07, 2010 9:46 pm at RU


iquitos wrote:

is probably an animal bone. they will investigate further if it turns out to be a human.

resigned wrote:

ALE are amazing - they can eyeball an animal bone from a hundred yards. I bet they already have a working theory that the animal committed suicide.   


 :smt045  and did so because it's Mother was Hitler who owned slaves. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on October 08, 2010, 05:41:07 AM


Hi San and Carpe!

 ::CowboySmiley::

Does anyone see eye sockets in the skull that was uncovered?



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on October 08, 2010, 05:45:48 AM

Beth, I so want you to have your daughter back.  If anyone deserves this, you do.  You have put in tireless hours in the search for your daughter.  Please, God, please let Beth have her daughter.  Amen.

         http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5700.msg878415#msg878415

Please light a candle for Natalee and Beth.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on October 08, 2010, 05:56:04 AM


                                      (http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j120/Bearlyhere/Monkey%20Cases/Natalee.png)

                                   PLEASE SEND NATALEE HOME!



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 08, 2010, 06:12:18 AM

Beth, I so want you to have your daughter back.  If anyone deserves this, you do.  You have put in tireless hours in the search for your daughter.  Please, God, please let Beth have her daughter.  Amen.

         http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5700.msg878415#msg878415

Please light a candle for Natalee and Beth.



Amen.   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 08, 2010, 06:15:25 AM


                                     
(http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j120/Bearlyhere/Monkey%20Cases/Natalee.png)

PLEASE SEND NATALEE HOME!


::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: can on October 08, 2010, 08:00:08 AM

Beth, I so want you to have your daughter back.  If anyone deserves this, you do.  You have put in tireless hours in the search for your daughter.  Please, God, please let Beth have her daughter.  Amen.

         http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5700.msg878415#msg878415

Please light a candle for Natalee and Beth.



Amen.   ::MonkeyAngel::

and Amen!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: can on October 08, 2010, 08:18:47 AM
OMG!  Could it be?  Please.  I feel sick and hopeful at the same time.

What kind of clusterfrig forensic folk do they have on that island!?!  ::MonkeyMad::  trampling all over a possible crime scene, not even gloves...
where is the reverence...this could be someone's remains? 
Has Aruba learned nothing from the criticism heaped on it over these past
years? 

How about treating it as human remains first instead of guessing it could be animal bones.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Is there anyone who could contact Jossy to see what he knows or can find out?

It was often said a body would not be buried in those sands due to the winds which would uncover the remains. 

Would like to know what that small building is (looks to be fully protected from the outside) - it should be gone over with a fine tooth comb.

Anna - oh dear, you mentioned hope again...and I agree.

God bless Natalee and her parents and family. 






Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: can on October 08, 2010, 08:37:21 AM
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/SkeletenAruba100710c.jpg)
IF these bones could be Natalee's -- I want them tested to see if they have been in saltwater ever.

BUMP... ::MonkeyWink::

Some of the fabric looks like turquoise and white.  Like Natalee's top.  Or is it just my mind playing tricks?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: can on October 08, 2010, 08:43:22 AM
Carpe and Kermit.  Hope you weigh in soon.  Would like to know what you think.  Tia.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Ono on October 08, 2010, 09:30:21 AM
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/SkeletenAruba100710c.jpg)
IF these bones could be Natalee's -- I want them tested to see if they have been in saltwater ever.

BUMP... ::MonkeyWink::

Some of the fabric looks like turquoise and white.  Like Natalee's top.  Or is it just my mind playing tricks?

I thought the same.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: BUCKSHOT on October 08, 2010, 09:58:01 AM
JACOBS probably dug some of the bones out of his file cabinet...
CAPSLOCKWIZARD probably gave them the coordinates to search...

Kinda odd how the whole island was scoured on foot by every citizen of Aruba, along with Dutch F-16's, yet this was missed.





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: cookie on October 08, 2010, 10:36:25 AM
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/SkeletenAruba100710c.jpg)
IF these bones could be Natalee's -- I want them tested to see if they have been in saltwater ever.

BUMP... ::MonkeyWink::

Some of the fabric looks like turquoise and white.  Like Natalee's top.  Or is it just my mind playing tricks?

I thought the same.

also, look at the poster that Beth had where she had changed the poster from missing to kidnapping..notice the blue dress that Natalie had on..looks the same blue as the blue in the picture of the bones.......I forget now what Natalee had on the night that she was taken by Joran..
I think the one picture is definitely a skull..I think that it could be Natalee..at least the nightmare of where she is would be answered for her family...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on October 08, 2010, 10:41:27 AM
I just checked 24ora and didn't see anything.  Maybe it's me. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: BUCKSHOT on October 08, 2010, 10:42:41 AM
Who discovered this new "crime scene?" Anyone know?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 08, 2010, 10:54:57 AM
http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=4809&offId=0

(http://www.awe24.com/_moblog_items/4809/6_1286496301.jpg)

zoomed in for this one:

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%2024%20102010/10072010_Awe24_skeleton1.jpg)

I'm bumping pictures. That looks like a human skull to me. That's a weird place to bury a body. From where the police guy is standing to where the others are standing, it looks like it was buried in an embankment.

Thanks CBB.  Thanks Texasmom.

I could be wrong.  It may be these 63 year old eyes but ... the skeleton looks very intact.  In other words ... it doesn't look planted.

Janet 



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: klaasend on October 08, 2010, 10:55:13 AM
Who discovered this new "crime scene?" Anyone know?

Guessing based upon the very rough pap translation of the first part of the article that a family out for a walk discovered the bones at around 6:30pm but by the time ALE got there it was dark.:

http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=4809&offId=0&offDate=2010-10

more photograph by the wesonan attain at costa norte

 was algo first cu 6.30 or by afternoon, cu one family owing to dicidi by bay march at costa norte by aruba, some more east by alto vista. by acuerdo cu informacionnan recibi, they owing to bay near by one rancho, where the children was piki cocolishi. one dado instant, the father owing to descubri one part where water by yobida was pour for by the barancanan y owing to crea one canal coba in the canal ey the father owing to see manner clothes by person, y have will have one bone is depart for by bao by the sand at once ela coba one some more y owing to attain more bone.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: klaasend on October 08, 2010, 10:58:06 AM
http://issuu.com/awemainta/docs/08okt2010?mode=embed&layout=http%3A%2F%2Fskin.issuu.com%2Fv%2Fcolor%2Flayout.xml&backgroundColor=F8F8F8&showFlipBtn=true (http://issuu.com/awemainta/docs/08okt2010?mode=embed&layout=http%3A%2F%2Fskin.issuu.com%2Fv%2Fcolor%2Flayout.xml&backgroundColor=F8F8F8&showFlipBtn=true)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/BonesArubaNorth100710.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 08, 2010, 11:01:51 AM
Natalee deserves to Return to Her Country!

Natalee Holloway's Mother

"We cannot forget to demand and expect to have Natalee. Natalee deserves to return to her country. She deserves it, and everyone knows it, every single person. Every single person knows that. They know it."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8485029/


All We Want is Natalee!

Natalee Holloway's Stepfather

"Beth and I have been through this emotional roller coaster. And all we want is Natalee, whether she's alive or dead.  We want to bring her back to the United States, and they can do whatever they want to do."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8551824/


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: klaasend on October 08, 2010, 11:03:47 AM
Alto Vista - NE Aruba

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/AltoVistaAerial.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: akmom on October 08, 2010, 11:04:53 AM
Ugh, business as usual in Aruba.....picking up bones with bare hands and walking around on a potential crime scene


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 08, 2010, 11:06:38 AM
Thanks Klaas.

Does the headline of the article reveal whether or not the skelton was human?

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 08, 2010, 11:10:03 AM
Ugh, business as usual in Aruba.....picking up bones with bare hands and walking around on a potential crime scene

 ::rhino::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on October 08, 2010, 11:15:25 AM
Alto Vista - NE Aruba

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/AltoVistaAerial.jpg)

On the roadway to Alto Vista is where Beth had the cab driver stop at the Stations of the Cross along the way.  Chills down my spine just thinking about it.  ::MonkeyWaa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: antunym on October 08, 2010, 11:15:31 AM
Alto Vista - NE Aruba

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/AltoVistaAerial.jpg)

This island is not big so why did it take the "investigators" so long to get to the possible burial

site of remains?  Oh I bet someone might have had to finish their frosted flakes

first...  ::MonkeyTongue::

Is this area anywhere near the rocks in the Aruba bay videos?



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Patriot on October 08, 2010, 11:27:24 AM
I need a Avi...



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 08, 2010, 11:27:47 AM
Alto Vista - NE Aruba

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/AltoVistaAerial.jpg)

On the roadway to Alto Vista is where Beth had the cab driver stop at the Stations of the Cross along the way.  Chills down my spine just thinking about it.  ::MonkeyWaa::

THE STATIONS OF THE CROSS

Blessed Assurance

Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Exerpts


Pages 100-103: I rise and make my way up the hillside to the next cross and the next one and the next, repeating my prayers.

I am looking to the sky, which is growing bluer as dawn breaks, and talking to God.  And as I reach the fifth cross, the answer to these prayers comes.  Complete peace blankets me, and I am still.  It's a familiar feeling, yet unknown to me like this before now.  It comes in total stillness.  Silence. And in this instant I know that Natalee is with God.

I understand that from the moment she got into Deepak Kalpoe's car her heavenly Father wrapped His loving arms around her and cared for her through whatever ordeal she encountered that night.  I don't know if she is alive or not, but I know that He is with her.

He entrusted me with her care for eighteen years.  Now I must trust Him to care for her.  So I never ask Him why.  Why Natalee?  Why me?  I don't ask.  To do that undermines faith.  Instead, I form an "acceptance trust" with Him there on the windy hillside.  God never questioned me when she was in my care.  I must not question Him.  I realize that He is as proud of her as I am.

Thoughts of Natalee's personal relationship with God comes to me.  He knows her very well.  And she knows Him.

Natalee was very active in the Community Ministry for Girls in Mountain Brook all four years throughout high school.  The founder and director, Donna Greene, shared a special moment with me just before graduation.  Following the very last Bible group meeting about two weeks or so ago Natalee told her friends to go on without her.  She was excited and glowing as she told Donna that she knew for certain that she had communicated with God.  She knew He had heard her.

Donna's first words of support when Natalee went missing were, "She knows how to call on God".  In these thoughts I received the blessed assurance from the Creator that rescues me.  And I am at peace.

The weight is gone.  I move to the next cross, making my way on up the hill stopping and praying at all fourteen crosses.  The Stations of the Cross.  The depiction of the walk Jesus made to His crucifixion.

The sun is up as I reach the top of the hill to see the Alto Vista chapel.  When I step onto the chapel grounds I am free, Liberated from the pain for a precious few moments.  The wind is blowing hard, and I feel Natalee.  I talk to her.  Promise to find her.  Get justice for her.  And pledge never to give up.  Never.

I think about what just happened, pondering the human spirit.  Apparently it can withstand a lot more than I every dreamed possible.  Mom is right; God is good.  All my life I've heard people of many faiths talk about "taking it to the cross and turning it over to the Lord" or just simply "turning it over.  Not the work that has to be done.  Just the burden.  I cast it upon Him so that I may be sustained.  And I am renewed, resilient.  Thankful for however long this resurgence in energy will carry me.  I will pick up one foot and put it down.  Then the other one will follow.  I will breathe.  There is much to be done.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: antunym on October 08, 2010, 11:30:07 AM
I need a Avi...



Me too!! lol


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Patriot on October 08, 2010, 11:35:12 AM

Can someone help me out? I'm clueless when it comes to these.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: MuffyBee on October 08, 2010, 11:37:18 AM

For all you monkeys running around nekky:

CBB's Avatar Thread: http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8514.msg1243143#new
Brandi's Avatar Thread: http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4314.4520

You can put your requests in with CBB or Brandi in their threads and they will help you, being the kind and talented monkeys they are.   ::rhino::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on October 08, 2010, 11:38:09 AM
Alto Vista - NE Aruba

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/AltoVistaAerial.jpg)

This island is not big so why did it take the "investigators" so long to get to the possible burial

site of remains?  Oh I bet someone might have had to finish their frosted flakes

first...  ::MonkeyTongue::

Is this area anywhere near the rocks in the Aruba bay videos?



I think the rocks depicted in the Arubay videos are located nearer to the California Lighthouse & the Terra del Sole golf course.  That would be further north up the coast.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: AZSunny on October 08, 2010, 11:42:12 AM
Alto Vista - NE Aruba

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/AltoVistaAerial.jpg)

This island is not big so why did it take the "investigators" so long to get to the possible burial

site of remains?  Oh I bet someone might have had to finish their frosted flakes

first...  ::MonkeyTongue::

Is this area anywhere near the rocks in the Aruba bay videos?



I think the rocks depicted in the Arubay videos are located nearer to the California Lighthouse & the Terra del Sole golf course.  That would be further north up the coast.

You really can't go further North of the Lighthouse, it is on the furthest North point of the island. There is just rocks, sand and water north of there.  I think the chapel is still north on the island, but a bit further south on the east coast.  That is how I remember it.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on October 08, 2010, 11:52:10 AM
Alto Vista - NE Aruba

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/AltoVistaAerial.jpg)

This island is not big so why did it take the "investigators" so long to get to the possible burial

site of remains?  Oh I bet someone might have had to finish their frosted flakes

first...  ::MonkeyTongue::

Is this area anywhere near the rocks in the Aruba bay videos?



I think the rocks depicted in the Arubay videos are located nearer to the California Lighthouse & the Terra del Sole golf course.  That would be further north up the coast.

You really can't go further North of the Lighthouse, it is on the furthest North point of the island. There is just rocks, sand and water north of there.  I think the chapel is still north on the island, but a bit further south on the east coast.  That is how I remember it.

That's what I meant, AZSunny.  Looking at a map, the Alta Vista Chapel is on the NE side....the CA Lighthouse & the Golf Course are north of the Chapel & yes, at the tip of that end of the island.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on October 08, 2010, 11:56:39 AM
Thanks Klaas.

Does the headline of the article reveal whether or not the skelton was human?

Janet

Not Klaas but the headline reads loke ta parce weso humano haya na costa pariba di Alto Vista and I am fairly certain humano=human


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: SuzieQ on October 08, 2010, 12:01:46 PM
Someone last night mentioned the weather on Aruba. They have had rain almost every day for at least a month. And of course flooding. Some pictures at this site.

http://plixi.com/p/46729766

(http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff15/sueann37/x2_2c90a26.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Magnolia on October 08, 2010, 12:03:43 PM
Thanks Klaas.

Does the headline of the article reveal whether or not the skelton was human?

Janet

Not Klaas but the headline reads loke ta parce weso humano haya na costa pariba di Alto Vista and I am fairly certain humano=human


Headline through translator:   thing is seems bone human attain at costa east by alto vista


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 08, 2010, 12:07:48 PM
Thanks Klaas.

Does the headline of the article reveal whether or not the skelton was human?

Janet

Not Klaas but the headline reads loke ta parce weso humano haya na costa pariba di Alto Vista and I am fairly certain humano=human

I agree.  I was just attempting to determine from the headlines whether the skeleton was or was not human.

Thanks Northern Rose.

Janet



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 08, 2010, 12:10:19 PM
http://issuu.com/awemainta/docs/08okt2010?mode=embed&layout=http%3A%2F%2Fskin.issuu.com%2Fv%2Fcolor%2Flayout.xml&backgroundColor=F8F8F8&showFlipBtn=true (http://issuu.com/awemainta/docs/08okt2010?mode=embed&layout=http%3A%2F%2Fskin.issuu.com%2Fv%2Fcolor%2Flayout.xml&backgroundColor=F8F8F8&showFlipBtn=true)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/BonesArubaNorth100710.jpg)

BUMPED


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: klaasend on October 08, 2010, 12:20:07 PM

Can someone help me out? I'm clueless when it comes to these.

Patriot I've asked CBB to fix you up with something special.  In the mean time I found this  ::MonkeyDevil::

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/PatriotMonkey.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: klaasend on October 08, 2010, 12:20:52 PM
Janet - I can't read PAP - PAP is hard ::MonkeyCool::  It looks to me like they think it might be human ( I believe it is)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 08, 2010, 12:21:14 PM
Ugh, business as usual in Aruba.....picking up bones with bare hands and walking around on a potential crime scene

BUMPED


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on October 08, 2010, 12:22:08 PM
Someone last night mentioned the weather on Aruba. They have had rain almost every day for at least a month. And of course flooding. Some pictures at this site.

http://plixi.com/p/46729766

(http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff15/sueann37/x2_2c90a26.jpg)

Thanks, SuzieQ.....Texasmom mentioned the weather and I added that we know people who were there this week & one young couple commented on Facebook that it wasn't sunny a few days ago. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 08, 2010, 12:25:43 PM
Janet - I can't read PAP - PAP is hard ::MonkeyCool::  It looks to me like they think it might be human ( I believe it is)

 ::MonkeyShocked::

The June 10, 2005 Confession!

An Old Stone Lighthouse beside Arisha Beach

ORANJESTAD, Aruba, June 12, 2005
Aruba Case Appears Stalled


Holloway's family rushed late Friday to an old stone lighthouse beside Arisha beach after Deputy Police Commissioner Gerold Dompig told The Associated Press that one of three young men in custody admitted that "something bad happened" to Holloway and was leading police to the scene of the alleged crime.
 
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/06/10/national/main700829.shtml


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 08, 2010, 12:28:21 PM

Can someone help me out? I'm clueless when it comes to these.

Patriot I've asked CBB to fix you up with something special.  In the mean time I found this  ::MonkeyDevil::

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/PatriotMonkey.jpg)

Patriot

IT'S PERFECT!



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: klaasend on October 08, 2010, 12:30:47 PM

antunym - I have to run out for a bit but maybe CBB can jazz something like this up for you.  I'll check back later.  I can help add it for you and Patriot.

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/AuntM.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 08, 2010, 12:31:17 PM
Someone last night mentioned the weather on Aruba. They have had rain almost every day for at least a month. And of course flooding. Some pictures at this site.

http://plixi.com/p/46729766

(http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff15/sueann37/x2_2c90a26.jpg)

SuzieQ

If it rains for 40 days and 40 nights ...

Janet



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on October 08, 2010, 12:38:34 PM
I think this says three people were gased.  That is one happy island  ::piggy::

Three person and a bad bira pa polis gave strong and afflicting motives inhaled kimica
Thursday, 07 October 2010
 
(http://www.bondia.com/images/stories/2010/October/07/front1.jpg)

ORANJESTAD - Yesterday something Anochi average 9'or cu na di an establishments for a beach den emergence ijscream an alarming situation caminda three person strong and afflicting motives di pa bira bad to inhale kimica. It is akin ta cu cu tabatin trabou di Maid to and true to word to word uzza kimiconan what ye Esaki trahadonan it to breathe. Cay na kita two sole. And a di nan a keda bon enough. Polisnan in principle there is a notice has creasing cu ta di curason attacks. Ora cu nan a bin yega nan cu ta tuma note other cos. E average cu polis a yega na e pulls a core site and hobennan di, but e di two and not by a police officer and sak'e cu e bira bad month. Bomberonan to yega and out and took two and carries a three hunt di polis cu e cu to breathe in a tiki aki tambe di e kimica. Both and three people and cops to be transported pa hospital.

http://www.bondia.com/

Tres persona y un polis a bira malo pa motibo di a inhala kimico 
Thursday, 07 October 2010 
 
ORANJESTAD – Ayera algo prome cu 9'or anochi na un establecimento di ijscream den playa a surgi un situacion alarmante caminda tres persona a bira malo pa motibo di a inhala kimico. Lo ta trata akinan cu tabatin trabou di limpiesa cu a wordo haci y cierto kimiconan lo a wordo uza y e trahadonan lo a inhala esaki. Dos a kita cay na suela. Y un di nan a keda basta bon. Polisnan en principio a haya un notificacion cu ta hende a haya ataca di curason. Ora cu nan a yega nan a bin tuma nota cu ta otro cos. E prome polis cu a yega na e sitio a core saca un di e hobennan, pero e di dos e agente policial no por a sak’e ya cu e mes a bira malo. Bomberonan a yega y a saca e di dos y a transporta un di tres hunto cu e polis cu a inhala un tiki tambe di e kimico aki. Tanto e tres persona como e polis a ser transporta pa hospital.
 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on October 08, 2010, 12:43:41 PM

Can someone help me out? I'm clueless when it comes to these.

I'd love to help with any avatars! There's a link in my signature line. Just click it and leave me a post and I'll get you fixed right up.   ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: SuzieQ on October 08, 2010, 01:22:47 PM
http://www.diario.aw/

This is the front page of Diario.

(http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff15/sueann37/Capture-1.jpg)

This is inside picture:

(http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff15/sueann37/bones.jpg)



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: SuzieQ on October 08, 2010, 01:24:46 PM
As I can't read Pap, I am not sure the front page is from the site where the bones were found, but I believe it is.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Patriot on October 08, 2010, 01:32:11 PM

Can someone help me out? I'm clueless when it comes to these.



Patriot I've asked CBB to fix you up with something special.  In the mean time I found this  ::MonkeyDevil::

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/PatriotMonkey.jpg)

Perfect! I love it Klaas

What do I need to do now? Anything?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on October 08, 2010, 01:38:35 PM

Can someone help me out? I'm clueless when it comes to these.



Patriot I've asked CBB to fix you up with something special.  In the mean time I found this  ::MonkeyDevil::

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/PatriotMonkey.jpg)

Perfect! I love it Klaas

What do I need to do now? Anything?

I will check to see if CBB saw this and is working on it.  If and when CBB is done, then maybe Klaas can help you put it in place.  (that is, if you don't know how to do it yourself).


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Patriot on October 08, 2010, 01:48:46 PM

I think I figured it out! Thanks everybody!

Can someone help me out? I'm clueless when it comes to these.



Patriot I've asked CBB to fix you up with something special.  In the mean time I found this  ::MonkeyDevil::

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/PatriotMonkey.jpg)

Perfect! I love it Klaas

What do I need to do now? Anything?

I will check to see if CBB saw this and is working on it.  If and when CBB is done, then maybe Klaas can help you put it in place.  (that is, if you don't know how to do it yourself).


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Patriot on October 08, 2010, 01:49:49 PM

I think I figured it out! Thanks everybody!

Can someone help me out? I'm clueless when it comes to these.



Patriot I've asked CBB to fix you up with something special.  In the mean time I found this  ::MonkeyDevil::

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/PatriotMonkey.jpg)

Perfect! I love it Klaas

What do I need to do now? Anything?

I will check to see if CBB saw this and is working on it.  If and when CBB is done, then maybe Klaas can help you put it in place.  (that is, if you don't know how to do it yourself).

Lets try that again... I think I figured it out. Thanks everybody


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Magnolia on October 08, 2010, 01:54:18 PM
The Diario Article says that the bones were found at the North end of the island between the
Alto Vista Chapel and the coast near a drainage canal.

At first glance it seems that the bones are that of a donkey or a dog, but they will investigate further
to decide if the bones might be human.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: AZSunny on October 08, 2010, 02:02:19 PM
The Diario Article says that the bones were found at the North end of the island between the
Alto Vista Chapel and the coast near a drainage canal.

At first glance it seems that the bones are that of a donkey or a dog, but they will investigate further
to decide if the bones might be human.

The picture of the skull looked very human to me.  It does appear small, but Natalee was small.  I do hope they do testing before they make a determination, but we all know how that works.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 08, 2010, 02:07:43 PM

THE LIGHTHOUSE - ARASHI BEACH

Deepak Kalpoe

Deepak Kalpoe - Witness Statement - May 31, 2005


I drove at the request of the  girl in the direction of the Lighthouse, because the girl wanted to see it. After we drove up along side the Lighthouse, I returned to the Sasakiweg (main road?). Joran told me that the girl had fallen asleep.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=328.0


Deepak Kalpoe - Suspect Statement - June 9, 2005

That was at approximately 01.20 hours. In English I asked in general what we were going to do. She said in English that she wanted to see sharks at the "lighthouse". I assumed she wanted to see the "Lighthouse". I hadn't thought anything else. I drove into the direction of the "Lighthouse" with a speed of between seventy to eighty kilometers an hour. I know this because I have made it a habit to look at the speedometer. I drove into the direction of the "Lighthouse" over the main road. On the way there I looked into the rear view mirror and saw that Joran and the girl were french kissing, that was in the vicinity of where "Hooters" used to be. I had been looking into the rear view mirror regularly looking at the traffic situation. The times that I looked back I saw there were French kissing. They were not kissing constantly because I heard them talking too. While they were kissing, I just thought that it was Joran's girlfriend and didn't think anything else of it. I had constantly driven on asphalted roads. I am very careful with my car and I don't drive on roads with a lof of potholes and bumps. It was for first time I had driven with this car out to the "Lighthouse". At the "Lighthouse" I continued to follow the asphalted road. This road leads past the restaurant back up to the "lighthouse". Arriving at the "Lighthouse" I had started to drive more slowly. Just before we drove past the restaurant I said in English that this is the "Lighthouse". Nobody responded. I looked around to the back of the car and saw that Joran and the girl were French kissing. Joran had his hand under the girls skirt. According to me it was his left hand. I didn't think it strange, I had seen this before with friends who took girls with them in my car.
 
I immediately faced forward. I looked at Satish with a look saying, what should I do. Satish said to me in dutch to keep driving. This all happened near the restaurant. I saw that at the "Lighthouse" two cars were parked. A green coloured jeep, with according to me four doors, open roof (soft top), that looked like a Suzuki Vitara and a white four door saloon. I drove back down at a calm speed.


Deepak Kalpoe - Suspect Statement - June 11, 2005

I proceeded to drive in Westerly direction. I drove on until we got to the intersection where I had last seen her friends. When we arrived there I saw that they were no longer there. I asked Joran what were were going to do now. The girl said at some point something about “Sharks” and “Lighthouse”. That is what I had heard. Joran then said “Lighthouse”. I knew at that moment that I had to drive to the “Lighthouse”. I rolled up the windows and put the airconditioning on and drove in the direction of the “Lighthouse”.

On the way to the "Lighthouse" me and my brother sat in front and talked and Joran and the girl were in the back and talked. I could not hear what they were talking about. At approximately where the “La Cabana Hotel” was, Satish popped in a DVD that had nude scenes in it. The girl said in English “Oh my God, whats that” (loosely translated by reporting officer: Oh my God, What is that). I then said to Joran in English: “Now she is going to think that we're perverts (loosely translated by reporting officer: Now the girls is going to think we are perverts). After a while Joran said to Satish in Dutch. “Switch off the DVD, she has had enough of it. Satish complied with the request. I had been driving on, in the direction of Arashi. When I arrived at Arashi I stopped the car on the asphalted section. I got out because I had to take a pee. Then I got back in again and we drove in the direction of the “Lighthouse”. Arriving at the "Lighthouse" I drove into the road and drove past the front of the restaurant. When we drove past the front I said, here we are this is the “Lighthouse”. Nobody answered me. At some point I looked into the rear view mirror and saw that Joran and the girl were French kissing. I had not seen that Joran had his hand up the girls skirt. I only saw him kissing. I looked at my brother Satish. He said keep on driving. After that I continued in the direction from which we just came. I saw a little farther up at about where the Lighthouse was a green jeep and a four door, white car. After that I drove down the road towards Arashi.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=170.0


Deepak Kalpoe - Suspect Statement - June 13, 2005

An American man said to me: "Yes, because you two assholes went out with her yesterday and now she is missing", (loosely translated: Yes, because you two butts went out with her yesterday and now she is missing). Then Joran's father got angry and said to the man in English: *You are out of your jurisdiction" (loosely translated by reporting officer: You are outside of you jurisdiction). The police then calmed the situation down. After that the family wanted us to go with the police to show them the route we drove. Joran's father refused. I also said no. After that the police officers said it was nonsense to drive out to the light house at that moment in time. The family then asked if we could go to the Holiday Inn to point out the security guard that worked there to the police.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=182.0


Deepak Kalpoe - Witness Statement - May 30, 2005

The suspect showed us, reporting officers also where he left his car near the beach at Arashi to take a pee. The suspect showed us, the reporting officers as the place where he got out and went to urinate, the most southernly part of the asphalted parking place near the edge of the erected stone wall.

On your question if at the time that I got out of the car near Arashi to urinate everyone in the car was awake, I can say the following. Yes, everyone was awake. .

On your question how it is possible that no-one has declared this happened or cannot remember this happened, I can say the following. My answer is that I really did go to urinate, it really happened. The police has to ask my brother about this. I am sure that the police did not ask my brother this.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=200.0


Satish Kalpoe

Satish Kalpoe - Witness Statement - May 31, 2005

In the car, the white blonde said girl said to Joran that they should go to the North side of Aruba to see sharks. Deepak decided to drive to the North side of Aruba so that the girl could see sharks. I saw that when we were on the way to the Lighthouse, Joran was kissing and started fingering the girl. I could not hear what Joran and the girl said because the music in the car was very loud. When we arrived at the Lighthouse, I asked my brother if Joran and the girl would get out of the car to see the sharks. I told my brother that Joran and the little girl were kissing and that they probably would not leave the car.  I asked Joran to find out from the girl where she was staying so we could take her back. I the girl told Joran where she was staying and I heard the girl tell him she stayed at the Holiday Inn hotel.  Then my brother drove to the Holiday Inn to drop the girl off there.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=330.0


Satish Kalpoe - Suspect Statement - June 10, 2005

What route did you take to the "Light House"? The Sasaki road or the road passing in front of Eagle Beach?

I have no statement to make.

How fast was your brother driving when he was driving towards the "Light House"?

I have no statement to make.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=190.0


Satish Kalpoe - Suspect Statement - June 13, 2005

On May 30, 2005, around 01.15 a.m., Joran, Natalee, Deepak and I came out of Carlos & Charlie. My brother Deepak left just a few moments ahead of us, to get the car. Together we drove in Deepak´s car, after first driving around in town a bit, in the direction of the lighthouse. From the lighthouse we drove to the HI.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=382.0


Satish Kalpoe - Suspect Statement - June 24, 2005

On your question where we were ourselves when I saw that Joran and the missing girl were French kissing, I can explain to you the following:
When we were driving in the direction of the "lighthouse" past the road to the Holiday Inn hotel, a car came very close beside us. My brother said in the car what makes a difference these men? That was the moment that I looked back and saw that Joran and the missing girl were kissing. All I saw at that time is that Joran and the missing girl were kissing.

We arrived at the lighthouse and the missing girl was sleeping already. The missing girl lay with her head on the lap of Joran. My brother asked Joran if the missing girl would still see the lighthouse or not.  Joran said to my brother, "I do not think so"

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=374.0


Joran van der Sloot

Joran van der Sloot - Witness Statement - May 31, 2005


The girl then had told me that she wanted to go to the North Coast to see sharks. I had told her that there were no sharks to be seen at the North Coast. She answered that there were sharks there and that she had seen them already. We decided to drive into that direction then. We had driven to the "Lighthouse".  On the way there the girl had asked us where we were taking her. She further told us to bring her to the Holiday Inn because the next day she would have to travel back to the United States. We drove past the Lighthouse and after that to the Holiday Inn Hotel.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2876.0


Joran van der Sloot - Suspect Statement - June 9, 2005

While we were driving in the direction of the Lighthouse and were close to the dunes, Natalee fell half asleep/dozed off again. When she startled awake again she asked me where we were and I answered her that we were at the Lighthouse. Natalee then said to me that we should take her to the Holiday Inn Hotel because she had to travel the next day. We drove up to the lighthouse and then we took the same road down again towards the Holiday Inn. While we were driving in the direction/towards the hotel, she dozed off several times/fell half asleep several times and we didn't kiss anymore.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=160.0


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 08, 2010, 02:29:07 PM
Could the recent rains in Aruba have been the catalyst which caused the soil to crumble and exposed what had been buried remains.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Buckeye on October 08, 2010, 02:31:27 PM
The Diario Article says that the bones were found at the North end of the island between the
Alto Vista Chapel and the coast near a drainage canal.

At first glance it seems that the bones are that of a donkey or a dog, but they will investigate further
to decide if the bones might be human.

Picture of donkey skeleton, here.  The bones don't look like donkey.

http://www.skullsunlimited.com/userfiles/image/category5_species_2445_large.jpg


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Buckeye on October 08, 2010, 02:33:22 PM
Dog skeleton:

http://www.skullsunlimited.com/userfiles/image/variants_large_3280.jpg


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: klaasend on October 08, 2010, 02:33:25 PM
Could the recent rains in Aruba have been the catalyst which caused the soil to crumble and exposed what had been buried remains.

Janet

Yes but Aruba has rains and floods every year although the flooding does seem to be increasing.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Buckeye on October 08, 2010, 02:35:38 PM
Last one, just to get a jump on them.  Goat skeleton:

http://www.skullsunlimited.com/userfiles/image/variants_large_4868.jpg


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 08, 2010, 02:47:23 PM

Can someone help me out? I'm clueless when it comes to these.

I'd love to help with any avatars! There's a link in my signature line. Just click it and leave me a post and I'll get you fixed right up.   ::MonkeyWink::

CBB

Please don't forget that Ducky is mine ... all mine.  I will be leaving him unattended in the cage this afternoon while I clean house and decorate for Canadian Thanksgiving this weekend.  I don't want to return during my tea and goodie  break and discover that Ducky now belongs to antunym or Patriot.

 ::monkeydust::

Later, Janet
11:45 AM PT


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: antunym on October 08, 2010, 03:03:37 PM

antunym - I have to run out for a bit but maybe CBB can jazz something like this up for you.  I'll check back later.  I can help add it for you and Patriot.

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/AuntM.jpg)

I was messing with my profile trying to figure all of this out.  I think this one will ork for now.  Thanks Klaas and CBB


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: antunym on October 08, 2010, 03:17:14 PM

antunym - I have to run out for a bit but maybe CBB can jazz something like this up for you.  I'll check back later.  I can help add it for you and Patriot.

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/AuntM.jpg)

I was messing with my profile trying to figure all of this out.  I think this one will ork for now.  Thanks Klaas and CBB

What I meant was the one that I put on there lol


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: robots on October 08, 2010, 03:42:54 PM
they look human to me ,  Grrrrrrrrr


If it was a dead dog, better check where the other sloots are,,,
sloots kill people and dogs


I hate all Sloots


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Magnolia on October 08, 2010, 03:53:16 PM
they look human to me ,  Grrrrrrrrr


If it was a dead dog, better check where the other sloots are,,,
sloots kill people and dogs


I hate all Sloots



It's not an animal. IMO   There is no snoot.
Why would clothes be buried with an animal?

Just can't trust any of them.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 08, 2010, 04:05:53 PM
http://www.diario.aw/

This is the front page of Diario.

(http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff15/sueann37/Capture-1.jpg)

This is inside picture:

(http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff15/sueann37/bones.jpg)



I don't think the first picture has to do with the bones that were found.  Water is being tested all over the island, and this was being done before the find.

This is one of the articles about the water being tested:

http://www.24ora.com/local-mainmenu-5/22778-prensa-presente-durante-control-di-awa.html

Papiamentu translation:

(http://www.24ora.com/cache/multithumb_thumbs/b.175.125.16777215.0...images.stories.news.2010.oktober.okt07.awa.front.jpg)

prensa present during control by water

thursday, 07 october 2010 13:25

web aruba nv is hibando control on the calidad by water cu they're sell. prensa was present at maria mam where eynan was have one control on thing web owing to considera one sharp strategico before wordo controla. in interview cu filomeno boei marchena past owing to count ; that they're bezig cune before garantiza the calidad by water by we island at various sharp strategico. filomeno marchena owing to splica cu the water cu we is produci at aruba is by one calidad high. first cu the water depart for by web the have one proceso cu the is happen inside before garantiza her calidad. the level by the water have to remain wordo manteni. formerly we was have awanan bruin is depart by the tubonan y awendia this do not the caso. time by aquanova the calidad by water was uno more abao cu actualmente. filomeno marchena by web is splica. come across


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 08, 2010, 04:07:23 PM
http://www.diario.aw/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/weso.jpg

(http://www.diario.aw/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/weso.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: cookie on October 08, 2010, 04:08:29 PM
wonder if Beth will demand to have some one from the US examine the bones and do some tests on them..I don't trust Aruba to get it right or give a darn about it to be honest...jmo


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 08, 2010, 04:14:59 PM
It wouldn't surprise me to find that a human had been buried in the same location as an animal.  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Magnolia on October 08, 2010, 04:17:31 PM
It wouldn't surprise me to find that a human had been buried in the same location as an animal.  ::MonkeyNoNo::



Remember the dog blood on the mattress?  I have never believed that one.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 08, 2010, 04:17:46 PM
It wouldn't surprise me to find that a human had been buried in the same location as an animal.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Maybe I should have said "with" an animal.

Smell could have been attributed to the animal...and so on.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 08, 2010, 04:20:12 PM
It wouldn't surprise me to find that a human had been buried in the same location as an animal.  ::MonkeyNoNo::



Remember the dog blood on the mattress?  I have never believed that one.

Yes, I remember that.  And it was very unbelievable imo too.  Why would there be dog blood on a mattress in the first place?  Maybe to cover up human blood?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 08, 2010, 04:22:23 PM
Could the recent rains in Aruba have been the catalyst which caused the soil to crumble and exposed what had been buried remains.

Janet

Yes but Aruba has rains and floods every year although the flooding does seem to be increasing.

I know all the schools were closed at least one day recently because of all the rain and flooding.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on October 08, 2010, 04:37:41 PM
Investigating drug sales at Van der Sloot

The INPE review video to determine those involved in the sale of marijuana into Dutch into the Castro Castro prison.
After the dissemination of images in which an agent of the National Penitentiary Institute (INPE) will sell drugs to Dutch Joran van der Sloot into the Castro Castro prison, the head of the institution, Wilson Hernandez, announced a thorough investigation staff of the detention center.

The video, first broadcast on the news story, ATV, showed the Dutch, charged with the murder of the young Stephany Flores, giving S/.5 security officer for the 'pass' of marijuana.

When you view the recording, the head of INPE said, in coordination with the Ministry of Justice, a copy of the video manage to fully identify those involved in the shameful fact.

In turn, the former head of INPE Wilfredo Pedraza said the issue of selling drugs within prisons is severe, but is a reality. "

http://peru21.pe/noticia/650149/investigaran-venta-droga-joran


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Magnolia on October 08, 2010, 04:39:55 PM
Could the recent rains in Aruba have been the catalyst which caused the soil to crumble and exposed what had been buried remains.

Janet

Yes but Aruba has rains and floods every year although the flooding does seem to be increasing.

I know all the schools were closed at least one day recently because of all the rain and flooding.



What does this one say, TM?

ORANGESTAD(AAN): Un persona kende tabata disfrutando di e naturaleza na e costanan patras di Alto Vista a bati alarma. Tabata lat den oranan di atardi cu a bin descubri algun weso mey mey di barancanan cu tin patras di e kapel cerca di costa. E tabata bruha tambe mey mey di e santo blanco. E ciudadano cu a bati alarma a guia polis y tambe un paramedico cu conocimento di weso pa e lugar. Berdad a mira e wesonan cu tabata parce mas bien di un bestia. Kizas un burico of otro animal. E weso di lomba y dos otro weso a ser hiba.
Awe durante dia lo bay haci test riba e wesonan aki pa mira si en realidad ta di bestia of tog por ta wesonan humano. Si ta asina anto tin investigacion cu mester worde haci. Riba e fotonan por mira e wesonan cu durante dia lo ser investiga mas profundo awe.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 08, 2010, 04:54:06 PM
Could the recent rains in Aruba have been the catalyst which caused the soil to crumble and exposed what had been buried remains.

Janet

Yes but Aruba has rains and floods every year although the flooding does seem to be increasing.

I know all the schools were closed at least one day recently because of all the rain and flooding.



What does this one say, TM?

ORANGESTAD(AAN): Un persona kende tabata disfrutando di e naturaleza na e costanan patras di Alto Vista a bati alarma. Tabata lat den oranan di atardi cu a bin descubri algun weso mey mey di barancanan cu tin patras di e kapel cerca di costa. E tabata bruha tambe mey mey di e santo blanco. E ciudadano cu a bati alarma a guia polis y tambe un paramedico cu conocimento di weso pa e lugar. Berdad a mira e wesonan cu tabata parce mas bien di un bestia. Kizas un burico of otro animal. E weso di lomba y dos otro weso a ser hiba.
Awe durante dia lo bay haci test riba e wesonan aki pa mira si en realidad ta di bestia of tog por ta wesonan humano. Si ta asina anto tin investigacion cu mester worde haci. Riba e fotonan por mira e wesonan cu durante dia lo ser investiga mas profundo awe.

Papiamentu/Spanish Translation:

Orangestad (aan): one person by That Was enjoying the nature at the high view Costanoan behind Owing to beat alarm. WAS late afternoon in orana by cu Owing to eat Some bone discovered by mey mey cu barancanan Have kapel close by behind the coast. Also the witch WAS mey mey by the white sand. Owing to the city beat alarm cu Owing to guide police and one paramedic cu Also KNOWLEDGE by bone for her place. Berdan Owing to see the wesonan cu WAS Seems more good by one animal. Another one Buric kizas or animal. the back and two bone by bone Another Being Owing to bring. DURING day today will test on the Bay to wesonan see here before Provides that if reality is by animal or human wesonan is tog dog. Have Then if research is so Have to Word haci cu. on the photons can see the day will wesonan cu DURING Being more deep research today.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: robots on October 08, 2010, 04:55:51 PM
yep


they look human to me ,  Grrrrrrrrr


If it was a dead dog, better check where the other sloots are,,,
sloots kill people and dogs


I hate all Sloots



It's not an animal. IMO   There is no snoot.
Why would clothes be buried with an animal?

Just can't trust any of them.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: theboyzmom on October 08, 2010, 04:58:44 PM
Could the recent rains in Aruba have been the catalyst which caused the soil to crumble and exposed what had been buried remains.

Janet

Yes but Aruba has rains and floods every year although the flooding does seem to be increasing.

I know all the schools were closed at least one day recently because of all the rain and flooding.



What does this one say, TM?

ORANGESTAD(AAN): Un persona kende tabata disfrutando di e naturaleza na e costanan patras di Alto Vista a bati alarma. Tabata lat den oranan di atardi cu a bin descubri algun weso mey mey di barancanan cu tin patras di e kapel cerca di costa. E tabata bruha tambe mey mey di e santo blanco. E ciudadano cu a bati alarma a guia polis y tambe un paramedico cu conocimento di weso pa e lugar. Berdad a mira e wesonan cu tabata parce mas bien di un bestia. Kizas un burico of otro animal. E weso di lomba y dos otro weso a ser hiba.
Awe durante dia lo bay haci test riba e wesonan aki pa mira si en realidad ta di bestia of tog por ta wesonan humano. Si ta asina anto tin investigacion cu mester worde haci. Riba e fotonan por mira e wesonan cu durante dia lo ser investiga mas profundo awe.

WOW What language is this? I have tried every translator I can think of and can not get it to translate!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Magnolia on October 08, 2010, 05:00:03 PM
Could the recent rains in Aruba have been the catalyst which caused the soil to crumble and exposed what had been buried remains.

Janet

Yes but Aruba has rains and floods every year although the flooding does seem to be increasing.

I know all the schools were closed at least one day recently because of all the rain and flooding.



What does this one say, TM?

ORANGESTAD(AAN): Un persona kende tabata disfrutando di e naturaleza na e costanan patras di Alto Vista a bati alarma. Tabata lat den oranan di atardi cu a bin descubri algun weso mey mey di barancanan cu tin patras di e kapel cerca di costa. E tabata bruha tambe mey mey di e santo blanco. E ciudadano cu a bati alarma a guia polis y tambe un paramedico cu conocimento di weso pa e lugar. Berdad a mira e wesonan cu tabata parce mas bien di un bestia. Kizas un burico of otro animal. E weso di lomba y dos otro weso a ser hiba.
Awe durante dia lo bay haci test riba e wesonan aki pa mira si en realidad ta di bestia of tog por ta wesonan humano. Si ta asina anto tin investigacion cu mester worde haci. Riba e fotonan por mira e wesonan cu durante dia lo ser investiga mas profundo awe.

Papiamentu/Spanish Translation:

Orangestad (aan): one person by That Was enjoying the nature at the high view Costanoan behind Owing to beat alarm. WAS late afternoon in orana by cu Owing to eat Some bone discovered by mey mey cu barancanan Have kapel close by behind the coast. Also the witch WAS mey mey by the white sand. Owing to the city beat alarm cu Owing to guide police and one paramedic cu Also KNOWLEDGE by bone for her place. Berdan Owing to see the wesonan cu WAS Seems more good by one animal. Another one Buric kizas or animal. the back and two bone by bone Another Being Owing to bring. DURING day today will test on the Bay to wesonan see here before Provides that if reality is by animal or human wesonan is tog dog. Have Then if research is so Have to Word haci cu. on the photons can see the day will wesonan cu DURING Being more deep research today.


Thank you!  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Blue Moon on October 08, 2010, 05:34:56 PM
Wonder if Deepak or Satish gave some useful information in their depositions?  Wishful thinking isn't it?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 08, 2010, 05:54:01 PM
Could the recent rains in Aruba have been the catalyst which caused the soil to crumble and exposed what had been buried remains.

Janet

Yes but Aruba has rains and floods every year although the flooding does seem to be increasing.

I know all the schools were closed at least one day recently because of all the rain and flooding.



What does this one say, TM?

ORANGESTAD(AAN): Un persona kende tabata disfrutando di e naturaleza na e costanan patras di Alto Vista a bati alarma. Tabata lat den oranan di atardi cu a bin descubri algun weso mey mey di barancanan cu tin patras di e kapel cerca di costa. E tabata bruha tambe mey mey di e santo blanco. E ciudadano cu a bati alarma a guia polis y tambe un paramedico cu conocimento di weso pa e lugar. Berdad a mira e wesonan cu tabata parce mas bien di un bestia. Kizas un burico of otro animal. E weso di lomba y dos otro weso a ser hiba.
Awe durante dia lo bay haci test riba e wesonan aki pa mira si en realidad ta di bestia of tog por ta wesonan humano. Si ta asina anto tin investigacion cu mester worde haci. Riba e fotonan por mira e wesonan cu durante dia lo ser investiga mas profundo awe.

WOW What language is this? I have tried every translator I can think of and can not get it to translate!

Papiamentu for the most part I think.  There's not a translator that I've found that translates it completely.

At times, that can be very frustrating.   ::MonkeyConfused::

http://papiamentu.donamaro.nl/

[WHAT IS PAPIAMENTU/PAPIAMENTO?]
Papiamentu (or Papiamento) is a mixture of Spanish, Portuguese, Dutch, English, French, and it also has some Arawak Indian and African influences. Papiamentu is one of the few Creole Languages of the Caribbean that has survived to the present day.
See also the following sites for more information about Papiamentu:
www.papiamentu.com
www.wikipedia.org (Papiamento)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 08, 2010, 05:54:59 PM
Could the recent rains in Aruba have been the catalyst which caused the soil to crumble and exposed what had been buried remains.

Janet

Yes but Aruba has rains and floods every year although the flooding does seem to be increasing.

I know all the schools were closed at least one day recently because of all the rain and flooding.



What does this one say, TM?

ORANGESTAD(AAN): Un persona kende tabata disfrutando di e naturaleza na e costanan patras di Alto Vista a bati alarma. Tabata lat den oranan di atardi cu a bin descubri algun weso mey mey di barancanan cu tin patras di e kapel cerca di costa. E tabata bruha tambe mey mey di e santo blanco. E ciudadano cu a bati alarma a guia polis y tambe un paramedico cu conocimento di weso pa e lugar. Berdad a mira e wesonan cu tabata parce mas bien di un bestia. Kizas un burico of otro animal. E weso di lomba y dos otro weso a ser hiba.
Awe durante dia lo bay haci test riba e wesonan aki pa mira si en realidad ta di bestia of tog por ta wesonan humano. Si ta asina anto tin investigacion cu mester worde haci. Riba e fotonan por mira e wesonan cu durante dia lo ser investiga mas profundo awe.

Papiamentu/Spanish Translation:

Orangestad (aan): one person by That Was enjoying the nature at the high view Costanoan behind Owing to beat alarm. WAS late afternoon in orana by cu Owing to eat Some bone discovered by mey mey cu barancanan Have kapel close by behind the coast. Also the witch WAS mey mey by the white sand. Owing to the city beat alarm cu Owing to guide police and one paramedic cu Also KNOWLEDGE by bone for her place. Berdan Owing to see the wesonan cu WAS Seems more good by one animal. Another one Buric kizas or animal. the back and two bone by bone Another Being Owing to bring. DURING day today will test on the Bay to wesonan see here before Provides that if reality is by animal or human wesonan is tog dog. Have Then if research is so Have to Word haci cu. on the photons can see the day will wesonan cu DURING Being more deep research today.
Thank you!  ::MonkeyCool::

You're welcome!   ::HelloKitty::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Rob on October 08, 2010, 06:17:36 PM
I guess that could be anyone. However, that looked like a human skull to me, or a giant hermit crab, or maybe even Johan's missing left nut. But, his nuts are rather small.  Who knows.

I was wondering if that could be Jose Tromp. Maybe, maybe not.

I inverted the colors and oh gosh that sure is a skull with eye sockets, but on Aruba even a garbage barrel has eye sockets so, again, who knows. I didn't post the inverted colored pic cause we all know what that leads to, but anyone can do it and post it. It's easy.

Maybe Deepshit meant to say - I got out to take a pee at Arashi while the Goonchild and my +++++++ brother buried Natalee.

That makes sense to me.  ::piggy::




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Rob on October 08, 2010, 06:49:36 PM
One additional point;

It could also be the missing Aruban woman that committed Arubacide in 04. The girl who's car was found in the ocean. However, that was on the other side of the island. If you recall, Julie Renho confirmed that she was depressed and she took off of a cliff. I doubt that's her. And who can trust anything the 'ho says.

It's not Max for sure - he was 6 miles out and down from Saventa. Not him.

It could also be the usual list of missing;

Gary Makings - but I don't see scuba gear. But, he would have been in that general area near the Antilla.

Buddy Larson - could be a match. He never got off the beach and was about to go wind surfing, and that's the area where they wind surf.

Pirate from 1680 - but I don't see a treasure chest.

 ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: wreck on October 08, 2010, 06:50:48 PM
All I know is that it is an EXTREMELY shallow grave to be unfound until now.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 08, 2010, 06:56:47 PM
All I know is that it is an EXTREMELY shallow grave to be unfound until now.

I noticed that too. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Ono on October 08, 2010, 06:59:02 PM
Ugh, business as usual in Aruba.....picking up bones with bare hands and walking around on a potential crime scene

It's all so disgusting.  And the lame stories are always so, well, lame!  It's a third world country & dangerous.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Ono on October 08, 2010, 07:09:08 PM
Wonder if Deepak or Satish gave some useful information in their depositions?  Wishful thinking isn't it?

I've been thinking the same.  It's very possible there were some interesting revelations in those depositions.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on October 08, 2010, 07:13:11 PM
Sorry for the O/T!!

Patriot? Would this be alright for your avi?

(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/HALLOWEEN/Patriot-Fall.gif)
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/HALLOWEEN/Patriot-Fall.gif

Love what you found, Klaas!!! BTW, Klaas can put it in for you....... she doesn't mind!   ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: klaasend on October 08, 2010, 07:17:23 PM
http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=4808&offId=0&offDate=2010-10

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1632794964#!/profile.php?id=1632794964&v=wall (http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1632794964#!/profile.php?id=1632794964&v=wall)

Even the Arubans think Natalee

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/awe24postbones.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Rob on October 08, 2010, 07:35:39 PM
All I know is that it is an EXTREMELY shallow grave to be unfound until now.

I noticed that too. 

that whole island is a giant belch from the sea floor - in more ways than one.  ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyWink::

It's hard to dig down very far, just sayin'


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Rob on October 08, 2010, 07:38:21 PM
http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=4808&offId=0&offDate=2010-10

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1632794964#!/profile.php?id=1632794964&v=wall (http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1632794964#!/profile.php?id=1632794964&v=wall)

Even the Arubans think Natalee

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/awe24postbones.jpg)

it would be great if it were Natalee and we would all rejoice.

However, I can see it now;

The Arubans want that turd back to finally face justice and all the crap that would spring forth.

If that's her - TERRIFIC!  ::MonkeyAngel::

Get her home, but never move Joran, EVER.

Let him face justice in Peru. Then the US and Aruba lastly.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: wreck on October 08, 2010, 08:02:17 PM
http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=4808&offId=0&offDate=2010-10

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1632794964#!/profile.php?id=1632794964&v=wall (http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1632794964#!/profile.php?id=1632794964&v=wall)

Even the Arubans think Natalee

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/awe24postbones.jpg)

it would be great if it were Natalee and we would all rejoice.

However, I can see it now;

The Arubans want that turd back to finally face justice and all the crap that would spring forth.

If that's her - TERRIFIC!  ::MonkeyAngel::

Get her home, but never move Joran, EVER.

Let him face justice in Peru. Then the US and Aruba lastly.
Natalee home and Joran dead in Peru is just fine with me.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: sharon on October 08, 2010, 08:47:24 PM
Last one, just to get a jump on them.  Goat skeleton:

http://www.skullsunlimited.com/userfiles/image/variants_large_4868.jpg

 ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 08, 2010, 09:45:26 PM
It appears none of the American networks are reporting on the find at Arashi Beach.  Maybe the results regarding whether the remains are human is the reason behind the wait.

Anyways ... it is Canadian Thanksgiving this weekend.  Son, DIL and 4 year old grandson from the Island should be here anytime.  I am sooo excited.

A Thanksgiving dinner on hubby's side will be held on Sunday at his sister and BIL's home.  Lots of Japanese dishes along with the traditional turkey.  LOL  Monday everything will wrap up at my brother and SIL's home with another Turkey dinner.  I will be turkeyed out but that is OK considering I am not doing any of the cooking this year.  My usual contribution to both dinners?  Carrot cake from Safeway.  Presentation is everything. 

I am looking forward to all the activity but ... I know that on Tuesday morning I will appreciate waking surrounded by peace and quiet.  I must be getting old.

Have a good weekend all.  Happy Thanksgiving to all Canadian Monkeys.

 :smt060

Janet
6:45 PM PT



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: klaasend on October 08, 2010, 09:48:15 PM
It appears none of the American networks are reporting on the find at Arashi Beach.  Maybe the results regarding whether the remains are human is the reason behind the wait.

Anyways ... it is Canadian Thanksgiving this weekend.  Son, DIL and 4 year old grandson from the Island should be here anytime.  I am sooo excited.

A Thanksgiving dinner on hubby's side will be held on Sunday at his sister and BIL's home.  Lots of Japanese dishes along with the traditional turkey.  LOL  Monday everything will wrap up at my brother and SIL's home with another Turkey dinner.  I will be turkeyed out but that is OK considering I am not doing any of the cooking this year.  My usual contribution to both dinners?  Carrot cake from Safeway.  Presentation is everything. 

I am looking forward to all the activity but ... I know that on Tuesday morning I will appreciate waking surrounded by peace and quiet.  I must be getting old.

Have a good weekend all.  Happy Thanksgiving to all Canadian Monkeys.

 :smt060

Janet
6:45 PM PT



Janet - I wouldn't expect any American media to report on it, not unless a paper in Aruba said it could be Natalee. 

Have a great weekend!


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Post by: Anna on October 08, 2010, 10:49:33 PM
I would like to see a close up of what appears to be the skull.  Not just other odd bones, etc.

So again we will wait for more information.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: wreck on October 08, 2010, 11:35:05 PM
I would like to see a close up of what appears to be the skull.  Not just other odd bones, etc.

So again we will wait for more information.
The silence is deafening.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 09, 2010, 01:41:26 AM
Just the Burden

Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Page 103:
All my life I've heard people of many faiths talk about "taking it to the cross and turning it over to the Lord" or just simply "turning it over.  Not the work that has to be done.  Just the burden.  I cast it upon Him so that I may be sustained.  And I am renewed, resilient.  Thankful for however long this resurgence in energy will carry me.  I will pick up one foot and put it down.  Then the other one will follow.  I will breathe.  There is much to be done.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 09, 2010, 01:43:12 AM
Good Night

Bearlyhere, CarolynV and 3 Guests

 ::HelloKitty::

Janet
10:45 PM PT


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on October 09, 2010, 01:47:29 AM
I hate waiting........ 


Wreck said it best: Natalee home and Joran dead in Peru is fine with me too!!

Tick, Tock.....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: carpe noctem on October 09, 2010, 02:40:29 AM
Quick O/T


If you get a chance Monkeys... and you have an interest in the David Hartley / Mexican Pirate story...

look what I found on Tiffany's sister's FB page.


Here:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8715.new#new


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 09, 2010, 02:41:22 AM
http://www.bondia.com/index.php?option=com_flippingbook&book_id=2

10/7/2010 Bondia Page 3

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Papiamentu translation:

is seems cu ministerio publico owing to attain two fiscal new fiscal experto on traficacion by person at present is form part by ministerio publico

oranjestad - while cu corte by husticia by aruba owing to attain three judge new, ministerio publico not owing to remain behind. redactor by casonan by corte can owing to compronde cu at ministerio publico have caranan new. have indicacion strong cu ministerio publico at present owing to attain two fiscal new. do not conoci, if they y owing to huramenta but can owing to compronde cu one by the fiscalnan is specialisa in traficacion by person. manner redactor by casonan by corte owing to arrive by publica, for by kingdom hulaandes the senalnan owing to arrive at aruba on traficacion by person y the trato inhumano cu the personanan is attain. esey was motibo also cu owing to bay haci one investigacion at foxy lady caminda among another the propietario owing to wordo deteni. do not nothing strano cu at present ministerio publico is count ; cu one experto on the ground here. apparently have indicacionnan cu will have more actividadnan is tumando lugar in kingdom dutch y cu have to by one experto serca by the actividadnan here before so can actua debidamente. redactor by casonan by corte can owing to compronde cu the two fiscalnan new, recientemente owing to cuminsa is work at ministerio publico. is deal here by mr. lars stemper y mr. vreneli vreeling. mr. stemper owing to arrive by visit aruba come to anend y the is the experto in traficacion by person. is by wait for cu dentro by some will can attain informacion oficial by part by ministerio publico encuanto the two fiscalnan new. come across


http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_79306.php

ARUBA
OM bijna op sterkte
7 Okt, 2010, 14:02 (GMT -04:00)

ORANJESTAD — Met de komst van twee nieuwe officieren, Vreneli Vreeling en Lars Stempher, is het Openbaar Ministerie (OM) bijna op sterkte.

“Er staat nu nog één vacature open”, zegt hoofdofficier Peter Blanken tegen Amigoe. Hij verwacht bovendien dat deze vacature ‘op korte termijn’ wordt vervuld. De nieuwe officieren, beiden afkomstig uit Nederland, zijn deze maand van start gegaan bij het OM. Vreeling houdt zich vooral bezig met zaken van de Landsrecherche, zedendelicten en huiselijk geweld.

Bovendien is ze de districtsofficier van Santa Cruz.

Stempher richt zich voornamelijk op mensenhandel en –smokkel, douanezaken en milieu. Hij is de districtsofficier voor Oranjestad. De resterende vacature voor officier van justitie wordt vermoedelijk vervuld door de Arubaanse Yolanda Pronk.

Zij is momenteel juridisch medewerker belast met jeugdzaken bij het OM. De hoofdofficier bevestigd dat zij op de lijst staat om benoemd te worden.


Google translation:

ARUBA
FOR nearly at full strength
October 7, 2010, 14:02 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - With the arrival of two new officers, Vreneli Vreeling and Lars Stempher, the Public Prosecutor (OM) low strength.

"There is now a vacant," said Chief Peter Blanken at Daily Herald. He also expects the vacancy in the short run 'is completed. The new officers, both from the Netherlands, this month started with the PPS. Vreeling deals mainly with matters of the Land Investigation, sex crimes and domestic violence. Moreover, they district officer of Santa Cruz.

Stempher focuses primarily on smuggling, customs and environment. He is the district officer for Orange City. The remaining vacancy for prosecutor is probably filled by the Aruban Yolanda Pronk.

She is currently a legal assistant responsible for youth affairs in the OM. The chief confirmed that it is on the list to be appointed.



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Post by: texasmom on October 09, 2010, 03:34:42 AM
Lars Stempher

Found this magazine article from May 2010

http://www.om.nl/actueel/opportuun/@153625/opportuun_mei_2010/

from the index:
Ten countries at a table to an international smuggling gang to detect. Prosecutor Lars Stempher is involved in Operation Diever ", investigating a possible cell of the international gang in Leeuwarden. The easy thing for him is part of an international collaboration with EU Member States and Eurojust.
>> All things considered human trafficking case Diever

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Eurojust is the pivot of a border research smuggling officer Lars Stempher turned.
"For us it was a simple matter, but international situation was different. "

Research in Europe
EU Member States will address jointly organized international human trafficking

Early 2008 found possible illegal activities take place from an ordinary apartment in a suburb of
Leeuwarden. There are indications that Iraqi Kurds through the illegal smuggling to neighboring property countries. The suspects are members of a large international gang.

Lars Stempher, Public of the National Public Prosecutor in Zwolle, packed together with a research team from the Royal Constabulary on the matter. Eurojust is also there involved. Fixed eagle, national representative at Eurojust for the Netherlands: "Ten EU countries were working on the case. It is careful that the international teams do not drive the wheels. "

Cell in Leeuwarden
The information on the internationally active gang comes from the French justice under the name "L'opération Baghdad" behind a gang of smugglers sitteth at meat. Cells of the gang from work Turkey, Iraq, Afghanistan, Iran, China, Bangladesh and Europe and smuggling dozens, possibly hundreds People from Milan to Paris via Calais England, Scandinavia, Belgium and Germany.  French justice provides information in advance to: a cell would operate from its location in Leeuwarden.  Telephone numbers, used cars and pictures of a defendant be passed. Then start the A survey of the National Prosecutor not significant name Diever. Lars Stempher let phones tapping, questioning systems, links and pictures and names observe the house: "Soon we were three people in pictures. For us it was a simple matter. But internationally was different. "

Eurojust meeting
In the meantime, at the instigation of the French incidental to the first international scheduled at Eurojust insight into the various investigations. The national representatives, case officers and team leaders of Britain, Greece, Belgium, Netherlands, Ireland, Germany, Denmark, Sweden,
Italy and France are together at Eurojust in The Hague. Each country gives a presentation of what the research has produced its own branches. "That could in your own language, "explains Lars Stempher out.  "Interpreters translated the speeches. Through headphones could everyone in his own language what the other said. The facilities where Eurojust has been perfect. "

Cross-border
Eurojust is composed of 27 national representatives, one from each EU member state. The representatives are seconded and permanently established in The Hague.  They are mostly prosecutors, sometimes assisted by an assistant or an expert. Twice weekly meeting, the representatives of meeting and ongoing international criminal research studies. "In the EU we have to with 23 different languages and 30 different legal systems that often powers of OM, ZM police and different methods and invested heavily differences, "explains Eagle Lock off. "Then it is very useful quickly to consult or make agreements with the Eurojust representative here in the building. "Eurojust was established in 2002 for judicial cooperation and information exchange to promote within the EU. End of 2008 at the European level decided for emergencies (eg in controlled delivery or task of conducting emergency assistance requests) independent powers to the national representatives grant. There is a 24 / 7 accessibility provided and information on transnational crime at Eurojust concentrated. In June 2011 will be endorsed law and fact should be regulated. The Dutch representative at Eurojust will as deputy chief part to make The National Prosecutor: it is formal and practical the link with the National Office and the Dutch OM laid. Arend Fixed: "Representatives of the different countries together to for advice on the progress of an investigation. There may be pressure exercised in a diplomatic way. Sometimes Dutch is the prioritization of capacity not understood if we detect an indication of assistance request is too vague to find out if the criminal minimal. But with a phone conversation, I For example, how explain why this international an important investigation. And, next time we have the necessary counterparts abroad! The goal is always to effectively cross tackling crime, especially when organized crime and at least two EU countries, '.

Diever
Back to Operation Diever. Lars says Stempher Eurojust during the first meeting that the Netherlands three persons have been identified, of which it is that two of them are in contact with the cell in Paris.  "We were clear that there were people retrieved from France to be transported to Sweden. "The English delegates confirm turn it a destination, but no criminal investigation had started. In France and Italy are the biggest investigations.  Paris shows mainly a gathering place for Iraqi illegals. "The advantage of the Eurojust meeting was that the size of the appraisal work came into the picture, "  said Lars Stempher. "Now we are each other's eyes had observed was also much easier to later contacts. "  "The Dutch study was quite small and runs insightful, up to the first incident occurred. There were observed four illegal immigrants in a house, a flat in Leeuwarden. Because we in the Netherlands pass the ban know we had to intervene. The Police kept the illegals aliens. This actions were not traffickers arrested. "

Action Day
During the second meeting Eurojust Concrete agreements on the international roll of the smuggling gang. Nine EU countries to agree on joint action June 23, 2008 to proceed. Before the action day, Lars Stempher with two incidents it. A suspect driving Three illegal immigrants to Sweden and, in collaboration with German colleagues in Germany arrested. The suspect is sent back Netherlands. With additional information from case Germany is the suspect here continues. A other suspect arrested in Germany as He illegally from the Netherlands with a bound for Scandinavia. On the joint action day in all countries involved 76 people arrested searches have taken place. 1332 Police officers are involved. Both in Germany arrested suspects be sued two smuggling incidents and participation in a criminal organization was involved in smuggling.  The third suspect is only participating in the criminal organization accused.

"Smugglers are abuse of dependent situation which is illegal located. "

Not only LP Cases
"Baghdad" was not the only international business in 2008 Eurojust with a major role. Total In that year there were 1,200 criminal cases a small opened through Eurojust. Each year that number is.  "This includes not only large-scale business with international stature by the National Office are affected, "warns the Dutch Representative Eurojust Fixed eagle. "Many times I have to region with prosecutors. For example, when parquet Arnhem ran a drug case involving hash of Morocco was smuggled to the Netherlands. We with the Spanish representative at Eurojust (which a downstairs sitting) to sit down to to ensure that we are trustworthy people advance coordinated searches and seizures of bank accounts in Spain, Morocco and the Netherlands could not deliver. Eurojust was also involved example been requested by the Haarlem package.  There were in Spain, including arrests and searches were carried out simultaneously, but after arrests were the houses until three weeks later searched. There was nothing to be found: the houses stripped away the fleet and the yachts disappeared.  Upon inquiry with the Spanish representative Eurojust showed that in Spain the police arrests, but the magistrate-via a different route responsible for searches. This is not mutually aligned so close we now after briefly with foreign colleagues. Important is that your level of OM and HM contact. The relationship with the police is still strong in some countries hierarchical and distant, which makes our police liaisons. So we now know that Some EU countries are directly "to enter" in a drug case, but if you suspect fraud "First ring and wait" Here we find often is a workable solution. "

People in need
But as I said does the international operation "Baghdad" prosper. In the Netherlands, three defendants brought to justice.  Lars Stempher: "During the meeting gave the suspects that their neighbors, their countrymen, helped to escape war. They provided services to people in need. But that was consistent not with the research findings. It was always about money. During the study period were smuggling activities canceled because too few earned would be "knows Lars Stempher. "You see more often in human trafficking, smugglers are abuse of the dependent situation of illegal immigrants located and ask exorbitant prices. "  Two suspects are in accordance with the requirement for all Facts sentenced to 16 months with five cell probation with a probation of two years. The third suspect is acquitted. One of the two was convicted appealed.

On a table
Meantime, Lars Stempher via Eurojust French informed of the Dutch developments.  "That was an ideal way of working. The French received information from all countries. They could, if necessary, European arrest warrants have entertainment and direct legal assistance requests at Eurojust. "All countries in a table, accessible and with good facilities exist - which prosecution can be easily arranged - have a positive experience for Lars Stempher. "If we questions of justice had levels that could very quickly through the Eurojust representative of the country covered be. Europol is essentially at police level.  It's fast, practical and professional and costs nothing. "

Text: Thea van der Geest | Photo: Herman Engbers


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Post by: texasmom on October 09, 2010, 03:42:44 AM
Another article from Dec 2009

http://www.trouw.nl/krantenarchief/2009/12/03/2930503/Justitie_hoopt_eindelijk_slag__te_slaan_met_Koolvis-zaak.html

Google translation:

Justice hopes to finally do battle with Saithe case
Trafficking

Police and judiciary deal regularly accused traffickers. But after going in the wrong courtroom. 'Pollack' should now be successful.

 
The trafficker is a modern slave driver. This comparison seeks justice to the seriousness of the crime clear. "It's not a semi-fashionable term, but describes what it is," said prosecutor Lars Stempher two months ago before the court in Zwolle.

Ten suspects are up there in the so-called 'Koolvis' case. They hear their sentences today for the alleged trafficking and exploitation of dozens of Nigerian girls.

The victims were the gang from Dutch asylum centers to soliciting areas in Italy and Spain are traded. Stempher: "These are practices that we now agree that for centuries they are degrading."

In recent years, the priority given to tackling human trafficking law enforcement. There are specialized prosecutors come. The maximum penalties are increased from six to twelve years. There is now closely working with source countries such as Hungary and Nigeria.

It has some effect. The investigators suspected traffickers deal regularly.

The problems arise in the courtroom. This year there were two major trafficking cases painfully piece. In July the court in Den Bosch the Public Prosecutor (OM) inadmissible in the 'Raptus' case. A Chinese gang suspected of smuggling among others, attempted murder and extortion, were left behind. The prosecution klungelde with such an important witness that "the truth has come into question, the court ruled.

Last month was in court in Alkmaar similarly wrong for the PPS. In this' case had Sierra' Justice also declared inadmissible, partly due to the withholding of folders full tapgesprekken.

"The suspect is in his interests have been harmed and misled the court," said the judge. The Bulgarian gang suspected of trafficking, forced prostitution and rape, Fri

In the notorious case Snape followed last summer or convictions. The Turkish German Saban B cell was 7.5 years, 2.5 years his brother Hasan. Low penalties, the OM is for men who gave leadership to an extremely violent gang of traffickers in women. To everyone's dismay Saban B. disappeared three months ago without a trace. The court in Arnhem had agreed to leave unaccompanied.

His escape justice has thrown back in time. Victims of trafficking are afraid to report. What Saban B. succeed, their dealer also succeed, they think.

There is justice now dedicated to make the 'Koolvis' case to a success. Confidence in the OM as a successful fighter of the trafficker must return. Against the two main suspects in mid October eight years jail.

The evidence is spread over 65 files and is very similar. There are, in addition to numerous reports interception, ten statements from alleged victims.

The Nigerian girls who have made after discussions with an experienced practitioner and a preacher. That is wrong, like the lawyers. They want the court OM inadmissible.

"How can a former victim, traumatized self, these girls let go," asks lawyer Marielle van Essen wondered aloud. "The expert has experience their many beautiful promises, a license and a house in exchange for an accusation. Then there is a pastor who screams like hell and damnation you allegedly not telling the truth. "

Those calls are summarized by the defense as "the factory explanation of the Public."

Stempher all charges against officer speaks. He criticizes the lawyers' to be looking for the big conspiracy. " "We sometimes do not know whether we laughable or ridiculous or even paranoid to find."

What the judge think, will appear this afternoon.


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Post by: texasmom on October 09, 2010, 03:49:19 AM
Another article from Dec 2009

http://www.trouw.nl/krantenarchief/2009/12/03/2930503/Justitie_hoopt_eindelijk_slag__te_slaan_met_Koolvis-zaak.html

Google translation:

Justice hopes to finally do battle with Saithe case
Trafficking

Police and judiciary deal regularly accused traffickers. But after going in the wrong courtroom. 'Pollack' should now be successful.

 
The trafficker is a modern slave driver. This comparison seeks justice to the seriousness of the crime clear. "It's not a semi-fashionable term, but describes what it is," said prosecutor Lars Stempher two months ago before the court in Zwolle.

Ten suspects are up there in the so-called 'Koolvis' case. They hear their sentences today for the alleged trafficking and exploitation of dozens of Nigerian girls.

The victims were the gang from Dutch asylum centers to soliciting areas in Italy and Spain are traded. Stempher: "These are practices that we now agree that for centuries they are degrading."

In recent years, the priority given to tackling human trafficking law enforcement. There are specialized prosecutors come. The maximum penalties are increased from six to twelve years. There is now closely working with source countries such as Hungary and Nigeria.

It has some effect. The investigators suspected traffickers deal regularly.

The problems arise in the courtroom. This year there were two major trafficking cases painfully piece. In July the court in Den Bosch the Public Prosecutor (OM) inadmissible in the 'Raptus' case. A Chinese gang suspected of smuggling among others, attempted murder and extortion, were left behind. The prosecution klungelde with such an important witness that "the truth has come into question, the court ruled.

Last month was in court in Alkmaar similarly wrong for the PPS. In this' case had Sierra' Justice also declared inadmissible, partly due to the withholding of folders full tapgesprekken.

"The suspect is in his interests have been harmed and misled the court," said the judge. The Bulgarian gang suspected of trafficking, forced prostitution and rape, Fri

In the notorious case Snape followed last summer or convictions. The Turkish German Saban B cell was 7.5 years, 2.5 years his brother Hasan. Low penalties, the OM is for men who gave leadership to an extremely violent gang of traffickers in women. To everyone's dismay Saban B. disappeared three months ago without a trace. The court in Arnhem had agreed to leave unaccompanied.

His escape justice has thrown back in time. Victims of trafficking are afraid to report. What Saban B. succeed, their dealer also succeed, they think.

There is justice now dedicated to make the 'Koolvis' case to a success. Confidence in the OM as a successful fighter of the trafficker must return. Against the two main suspects in mid October eight years jail.

The evidence is spread over 65 files and is very similar. There are, in addition to numerous reports interception, ten statements from alleged victims.

The Nigerian girls who have made after discussions with an experienced practitioner and a preacher. That is wrong, like the lawyers. They want the court OM inadmissible.

"How can a former victim, traumatized self, these girls let go," asks lawyer Marielle van Essen wondered aloud. "The expert has experience their many beautiful promises, a license and a house in exchange for an accusation. Then there is a pastor who screams like hell and damnation you allegedly not telling the truth. "

Those calls are summarized by the defense as "the factory explanation of the Public."

Stempher all charges against officer speaks. He criticizes the lawyers' to be looking for the big conspiracy. " "We sometimes do not know whether we laughable or ridiculous or even paranoid to find."

What the judge think, will appear this afternoon.

Earlier article about the same case:

http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=en&sl=nl&u=http://www.nrc.nl/binnenland/article2385428.ece/OM_eist_acht_jaar_in_zaak_Koolvis&prev=/search%3Fq%3D%2522Lars%2BStempher%2522%26hl%3Den%26biw%3D1024%26bih%3D653&rurl=translate.google.com&usg=ALkJrhj0zJGKCVTZ-kUF-ZJSKsLLKOkgqA

OM requires eight years in case 'Pollack'

Published: October 13, 2009 2:40 p.m. | Updated: October 13, 2009 2:40 p.m.
By our news staff

Zwolle, October 13 Against the two main suspects in trafficking case 'Pollack' this afternoon in court in Zwolle demanded prison sentences of eight years.

Solomon O. and Gilbert E. be seen as the leaders of a criminal organization. Sentences against three other suspects were levied against four, three, and two years. The remand of two years shall be deducted from the sentences.

The Public Prosecutor (OM) started the Pollack case after it became clear that dozens, mostly minor, Nigerian girls from open shelters in the Netherlands disappeared. The OM used a Nigerian gang Netherlands and access to the Schengen countries.

The victims were from the Netherlands to Italy and Spain, where they had to work in prostitution. Eleven suspects are this up in Zwolle. The OM was Solomon O. and Gilbert E. the mastermind behind all activities in the Netherlands and left it to others, sometimes under pressure, criminal acts.

Through the action taken by the research is the potential influx of victims of trafficking from Nigeria stopped, argued the OM today. In 2006 and 2007, 133 potential victims of trafficking within the Netherlands. After several new measures that the last two years has fallen to seventeen potential victims, said prosecutor Lars Stempher. "This is the first objective was achieved by the Pollack study: stopping human trafficking of young Nigerian asylum seekers from the Netherlands."

Backgrounds nrc.nl / trafficking


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Post by: texasmom on October 09, 2010, 04:20:31 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/0_21_350_holloway_natalee.jpg)

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JUSTICE FOR NATALEE
AND STEPHANY!


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Post by: texasmom on October 09, 2010, 10:07:08 AM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_79362.php

Google translation:

"Briesen music did not pay tax '

October 8, 2010, 14:16 (GMT -04:00)

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ORANGE CITY - The Minister of Tourism, Labour and Transport, Otmar Oduber (AVP) has accused his predecessor Staten Edison Briesen (MEP) of both Aruba Soul Beach Music Festival and have tax exempt. Briesen himself denies this. Tourism Bureau ATA took the tax payable by them over. "

The preservation of taxes would have been one reason for the investigation of the Central Audit Department (CAD) into the affairs of Aruba Music Festival and the declaration to the Public Prosecutor.

Oduber said Tuesday that Briesen as Minister of Tourism on its own organizers of both Aruba Soul Beach Music Festival and contractually indemnified from paying taxes. "The organizers had to pay tax the so-called entertainment performance, but no BBO, profit or income. With what authority has he done? "Oduber points out that such safeguards agreement of the parliament is necessary. It has not done Briesen said Oduber.

Financial Statements
The current Minister of Tourism, Labour and Transport indicates that the scheme coming to the surface during the new contract talks with the organizers of the Soul Beach Festival. "We've had riots in Aruba Music Festival and stopped in the new contract with Soul Beach, we ensured that they all pay taxes properly, like any other local organizer to do that." According Oduber in the case of Aruba Music Festival is still not clear who the income from ticket sales have remained in Aruba. "This is tons." He goes on to say that this is no tourist office ATA closed accounts of last year. "Through a ministerial decision, the then Minister in a team that took over the leadership of the festival of ATA. ATA was the only thing to do was pay. "CAD has researched this and eventually had three reports to Oduber. In the latest CAD Minister would have immediately advised the contract with Aruba Musical Festival not to continue, in order to avoid liability, as with Briesen. Based on these reports were subsequently reported to the Aruban government and the prosecutor Briesen. Briesen says is of no harm to be aware. By Amigoe he informs us that there is tax paid by ATA. The agreement was that the tourism bureau of taxes over the festival organizers. "Yes, it was a case of pocket-pocket, but there was at least paid. The tax authority inspected the last three years this extra strong. I can also remember that Aruba Jazz & Latin Festival and the first edition of the comedy festival Sinbad no taxes paid. All under the government of AVP. And, Al Gore for his actions, tax paid? "


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 09, 2010, 10:36:41 AM
This is today, tomorrow if there's rain today.

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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Anna on October 09, 2010, 11:15:04 AM
Is it just me or do others find 8 years for human trafficking of 133 victims, or even one victim, makes a mockery of the victims?  It's as though little harm done when in fact these lives will never be the same and this is totally unacceptable behavior in a civilized society.

How can they think 8 years is anything like justice?  If it happened to them, Dutch lawmakers, instead of some poor third world children, I wonder if they would think that was enough punishement? 

No wonder this continues to be such a major problem with such light sentencing.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 09, 2010, 11:41:51 AM
Is it just me or do others find 8 years for human trafficking of 133 victims, or even one victim, makes a mockery of the victims?  It's as though little harm done when in fact these lives will never be the same and this is totally unacceptable behavior in a civilized society.

How can they think 8 years is anything like justice?  If it happened to them, Dutch lawmakers, instead of some poor third world children, I wonder if they would think that was enough punishement? 

No wonder this continues to be such a major problem with such light sentencing.

It's not just you Anna, I totally agree!   ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyMad::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 09, 2010, 11:48:41 AM
http://vibesaruba.smugmug.com/Groups/Kas-Di-Glas-Event/14098319_6qwHG#1038936022_2TQ5k

Kas Di Glas Event

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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on October 09, 2010, 12:25:58 PM
1.5 lb baby going home.  Mom was medivac'd from Aruba to Miami in July.   ::MonkeyRoll::  Tells you something about care on the island......not to mention the choices some people make.

http://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local-beat/1-12-baby-born-in-Miami-going-home-to-Delaware-104599379.html


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 09, 2010, 12:42:58 PM
http://www.clickonaruba.com/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=611

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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: klaasend on October 09, 2010, 01:19:04 PM
FWIW - Renfro has manhands like the Seinfeld episode.  Really she does.   ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: klaasend on October 09, 2010, 01:22:53 PM
No need to think about those bones, GLENDA/RENFRO has explained everything  ::MonkeyHaHa::


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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 09, 2010, 01:25:26 PM
No need to think about those bones, GLENDA/RENFRO has explained everything  ::MonkeyHaHa::


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Why am I not surprised!   ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: wreck on October 09, 2010, 01:26:12 PM
FWIW - Renfro has manhands like the Seinfeld episode.  Really she does.   ::MonkeyDevil::
Adam's apple???


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Magnolia on October 09, 2010, 02:00:06 PM
No need to think about those bones, GLENDA/RENFRO has explained everything  ::MonkeyHaHa::


(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/GlendaonBones100710.jpg)


I suppose that is the official statement out of Aruba. ::bananadance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 09, 2010, 02:48:32 PM
Somehow I believe Glenda/Julia regarding how Aruba will portray the outcome of the skeleton find in the Arashi Beach area.  It may or may not be the truth but it is Aruba truth.

Reporter/editor Julia Renfro and those within the corrupt Aruban investigation have been thisclose since the getgo ... thisclose in a mutual effort to create a media spin in both Aruba and the States that has nothing to do with justice for Natalee Holloway.

Off to the make belief Island of Sodar ... the home of Thomas the train.  Papa, Daddy and Mommy are about to take off for a couple of hours and I have 4 year grandson all to myself.  He is all mine!

 ::piggy::

Janet

+++++++


Is the Government of Aruba Going after Natalee's Family?Wednesday, December 07, 2005

BILL O'REILLY, HOST:  The thesis is that the Holloway family, Twitty family, impeded the police investigation, Julia. Do you believe that?

JULIA RENFRO, EDITOR, ARUBA TODAY: Well, it’s not really what I believe, but I did speak to the Commissioner Dompig earlier today, and I asked him, "What did you mean by they hurt the investigation?" And he said he’s not blaming them specifically for anything, but that their attacks via the U.S. media certainly changed the tide of the investigation, basically, pressuring the police to make what they felt, believe it or not, premature arrests of the suspect.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,177980,00.html


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on October 09, 2010, 03:02:55 PM
No need to think about those bones, GLENDA/RENFRO has explained everything  ::MonkeyHaHa::


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So glad she cleared that up. I'm just shocked!   :roll:

Since the skull looked human and it was too big for a chimp, I guess it was a Gorilla. They're native to Aruba, right?  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: wreck on October 09, 2010, 03:05:27 PM
No need to think about those bones, GLENDA/RENFRO has explained everything  ::MonkeyHaHa::


(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/GlendaonBones100710.jpg)

So glad she cleared that up. I'm just shocked!   :roll:

Since the skull looked human and it was too big for a chimp, I guess it was a Gorilla. They're native to Aruba, right?  ::MonkeyCool::
Bigfoot???


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on October 09, 2010, 03:05:45 PM
FWIW - Renfro has manhands like the Seinfeld episode.  Really she does.   ::MonkeyDevil::
Adam's apple???

Oh God. Please stop there with the speculation....... I don't want to go South.......      ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on October 09, 2010, 03:06:49 PM
No need to think about those bones, GLENDA/RENFRO has explained everything  ::MonkeyHaHa::


(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/GlendaonBones100710.jpg)

So glad she cleared that up. I'm just shocked!   :roll:

Since the skull looked human and it was too big for a chimp, I guess it was a Gorilla. They're native to Aruba, right?  ::MonkeyCool::
Bigfoot???

OMG, Wreck!! That would explain SO much!!!

Like Renho's parentage!!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on October 09, 2010, 03:11:59 PM
I've never heard anyone mention Renho's middle name.

     :smt116   I'd bet it's Sasquatch.

 :smt045


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: wreck on October 09, 2010, 03:43:59 PM
Concerns about KTF -- he's been gone for such a long time! (We have missed him at the "Football" thread as well)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 09, 2010, 03:59:33 PM
DELETED THIS INFORMATION PER REQUEST.  I RECEIVED THE FOLLOWING REQUEST VIA EMAIL:

I have been searching for someone to contact regarding information posted on a Scared Monkey's forum.  My search led me to your email address from a facebook post as someone who can help with the administrative duties for Scared Monkeys.  I need some help. 

One of the profiles on your website has posted in accurate suggestions about me and my family.  My family lives in Aruba, but has NOTHING to do with the Natalee Holloway Case.  I ask kindly that you please delete this post as this personal information shared is putting my family's safety at risk.  We are Americans living in Aruba and have no ties to anything or anyone that is involved in this case.  We are actually here helping American's stay safe.  The information on your website could lead to the abduction or harm of my two children.  Please help me with this, I am a concerned mother who is trying to keep her kids safe.

S. Pastilong


NOTE FROM ME:  Please don't post any more information regarding this family.  There is no reason to think they have anything to do with what happened in Aruba in 2005.




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 09, 2010, 05:04:33 PM
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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: klaasend on October 09, 2010, 05:18:16 PM
Concerns about KTF -- he's been gone for such a long time! (We have missed him at the "Football" thread as well)

I'll email


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 09, 2010, 06:07:24 PM
http://www.awemainta.com/noticia/

10/9/2010 Awe Mainta Page 2

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Headline Papiamentu translation:

thing is seems bone human, owing to resulta by is bone by one or another animal


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 09, 2010, 06:20:53 PM
http://www.awemainta.com/noticia/

10/9/2010 Awe Mainta Front Page

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Papiamentu translation:

debi at strike by hunger cu past owing to cuminsa alexander matthew owing to become bad

informacion cu is arrive we table by redaccion is say cu the conocido alexander matthew, that is close at kia, pendienta before her caso come in corte by husticia, before cual the is being sospecha by is trafica y extorciona person, owing to dicidi by cuminsa one strike by hunger.

we not can owing to attain know pakico the strike by hunger here, but extroficialmente not owing to being informa, cu debi cu the proceso p’e come in corte is tardando demasiado, siendo cu the is say cu the not owing to haci nothing contra ley, y cu the tak victima by persecusion by the.o. funcionarionan by ministerio publico.

yesterday debi n’e strike by hunger cu past owing to cuminsa, (ki day, we not sa), alexander matthew owing to become bad y cu ambulance past owing to being bring before centro medico. dokternan owing to constata cu not have nothing abnormal, y so owing to mande bek before kia, where past owing to dicidi by follow cu her strike by hunger. come across


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 09, 2010, 06:26:44 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_79385.php

Google translation:

Plans for direct gas pipeline from Venezuela

October 9, 2010, 15:16 (GMT -04:00)

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ORANGE CITY - Water and energy within one year WEB can run entirely on gas. Netherlands and Venezuela are currently finalizing an agreement in principle to construct a direct pipeline between Punto Fijo and Aruba. This says Andin Bikker (PDR), chairman of the State Enterprises Commission fixed States. The fuel clause is already adjusted.

The committee visited yesterday WEB, where they were given presentations about the projects the company is currently working cap. "The plan to build a gas pipeline between Venezuela and Aruba, with the aim to allow WEB steps of heating oil to natural gas as fuel in an advanced stage," said Bikker. "During the last conference of the United Nations, the cooperation between the Netherlands and Venezuela approved. Now the details of the agreement in principle outstanding. If it all goes without delay then WEB within one year run on gas. "Bikker indicates that the price for the supply of natural gas 30 percent cheaper than heavy fuel oil.
"The fuel clause is therefore cheaper anyway than it is now", says Bikker. He warns, however, additional consumption due to lower rates. "It's like lending institutions to lower their mortgage rates, when people buy expensive homes instead of saving money. This must be prevented. "Bikker, we note, current pilot project WEB people aware of their consumption and how to reduce them by using such bulbs. The fuel clause is currently still an outdated formula. It dates back to 1964. Bikker: "My earlier suspicions were confirmed this. Since the formula for the fuel clause was drafted in 1964, there are obviously some adjustments, but basically, the formula remained the same. Thus does not take into account the efficiency of Recip engines and the proceeds of the windmills since then there have been. "Now WEB to the committee indicated that a proposal for a new formula that takes into account the recip engines and the proceeds of the windmills - which this year also a lot less than expected - on the government offered. According to WEB is however not the case that for decades would have paid too much for fuel clause, says Bikker. "The total amount in your account would remain the same anyway, since its costs must WEB it the length or the breadth to cover".
 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 09, 2010, 06:36:40 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_79381.php

Google translation:

Prison for robbery Aruba Security & Crime Prevention

October 9, 2010, 15:12 (GMT -04:00)

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ORANGE CITY - Four men who were directly involved in the armed robbery of money from security company runners Aruba Security and Crime Prevention (ASCP) on November 30 of last year, were yesterday sentenced to prison terms of 3.5 and 4.5 years. When the raid was a sum of over 8.5 tons seized florins. This is only a fraction recovered.

by our reporter
Alex Lacle

Two other suspects, who include the judge guilty of laundering the stolen money, were sentenced to suspended sentences with probation for two years. The seventh suspect, who was chief security guard at the security company, was acquitted by the court for lack of evidence. The case of the eighth and final suspect on this robbery was postponed until next month, on November 11.

Two security guards from the security company were aware of the date last year about nine hours in the morning outside the ACP office by three men armed robbery. These were three big bags of money, a gun and a radio stolen. The amount of money bags was a florin 797,953.74 and $ 34,355.47. The robbers had a firearm that all three during the raid was aimed at threatening the guards. The robbers also deny that the used firearms were loaded.

Although the prime suspect, Tricio Giovanni Koyochi "Gumbs (43) all denied, he was yesterday sentenced to four years and six months unconditional jail minus remand for a co-perpetrator of an armed robbery, illegal possession of firearms and money laundering. In addition, a car and a boat Gumbs forfeited. This, according to the court the proceeds of the robbery were purchased. The Public Prosecutor (OM) had demanded six years. Gumbs did not physically participate in the robbery, but, according to the court does have everything prepared. He has also met perpetrators shortly after the robbery and transported them to a secure location for counting and distributing the money. The testimonies of several people, including the confessions of the three robbers, Gumbs point to as "brain" behind the robbery. But he says firmly that "everyone is trying to frame him down." The money for the boat and car, he would have earned with his own tour company. "The officer has something personal against me," Gumbs said yesterday in court. "He is very false. I know, I got people out. "The court, however, told his story as" implausible ". "Why would the officer do that. He treats only the case, there are plenty of incriminating statements against you, "said the judge to Gumbs.

The robbers Leonel Land Mark and Sergio Salas received 3.5 years of imprisonment checkout custody. The prosecution had Land Mark Salas 4 and 3.5 years required. The judge took into account in considering the almost blank criminal record and no criminal Land Mark Salas. The fact that the accused cooperated with the police investigation and their role in robbery admitted, worked in their favor. Does remain an armed robbery a very serious matter, said the judge. Both are thus condemned to a co-commission of armed robbery, illegal possession of firearms and money laundering. As he said they received around 175,000 florins per person for their part in the robbery. Land Mark of the money would have gone to pay off the debts. Salas says he has the loot equipment purchased for growing marijuana. This would be stolen.

The third robber, Mike Marcano (26), was sentenced to 4.5 years less cell custody. A half years shorter than that required by the OM. He was like the others convicted of complicity in an armed robbery, illegal possession of firearms and money laundering. He claims the money from the robbery has never seen. Gumbs would have kept everything in his possession. Marcana was also convicted of extortion by force, aanvulled an offense he committed in March 2010.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: klaasend on October 09, 2010, 06:55:56 PM
I'm sure there is plenty of gas emanating from the Sloot home in Montana, maybe the pipeline could go from Aruba to Venezuela ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Magnolia on October 09, 2010, 07:05:35 PM
Concerns about KTF -- he's been gone for such a long time! (We have missed him at the "Football" thread as well)


KTF got upset when I said something about trolls. 
He wanted to know if anybody thought he was a troll.

I told him that I didn't think anybody thought he was a troll.

He said that it hurt his heart that anybody thought he was a troll.

I was not referring to him in any way.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 09, 2010, 07:08:37 PM
I'm sure there is plenty of gas emanating from the Sloot home in Montana, maybe the pipeline could go from Aruba to Venezuela ::MonkeyWink::
::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Rob on October 09, 2010, 07:30:42 PM
Concerns about KTF -- he's been gone for such a long time! (We have missed him at the "Football" thread as well)


KTF got upset when I said something about trolls. 
He wanted to know if anybody thought he was a troll.

I told him that I didn't think anybody thought he was a troll.

He said that it hurt his heart that anybody thought he was a troll.

I was not referring to him in any way.

I remember that and no one thinks KTF is a troll.

I hope he comes back. I miss him. And coming from me - that says alot. I don't miss too many people.

Even I have had my feelings hurt - it happens to everyone. I think when it happened to me, my titanium shell was at the cleaners.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

I hope he's back soon!  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Magnolia on October 09, 2010, 07:37:33 PM
Concerns about KTF -- he's been gone for such a long time! (We have missed him at the "Football" thread as well)


KTF got upset when I said something about trolls. 
He wanted to know if anybody thought he was a troll.

I told him that I didn't think anybody thought he was a troll.

He said that it hurt his heart that anybody thought he was a troll.

I was not referring to him in any way.

I remember that and no one thinks KTF is a troll.

I hope he comes back. I miss him. And coming from me - that says alot. I don't miss too many people.

Even I have had my feelings hurt - it happens to everyone. I think when it happened to me, my titanium shell was at the cleaners.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

I hope he's back soon!  ::MonkeyAngel::

I wasn't talking about him at all.  I was talking about a couple of people in the rafters.

I'm sorry if I hurt his feelings.  It wasn't intended.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: wreck on October 09, 2010, 08:22:10 PM
Concerns about KTF -- he's been gone for such a long time! (We have missed him at the "Football" thread as well)

I'll email
Thanks!!  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: klaasend on October 09, 2010, 09:03:48 PM
Posted by Poochy at GM. Poochy says from the NL but I believe it is actually HOLLAND, MICHIGAN:

http://www.truecrimereport.com/2010/10/kelly_paris_and_son_jordan_par.php


Kelly Paris and Son Jordan Paris Videotape Themselves Raping Passed Out Girl

Tuesday, Oct. 5 2010 @ 10:30AM


When it comes to class, it's hard to surpass the Paris family of Holland, Michigan. It seems a 17-year-old girl went to their home to visit Jordon Paris and his friend Sage Lewis, both 19. The girl had a few drinks in the wee hours of the morning and also spent time in the hot tub...

Jordon Paris, his friend and his dad decided to rape a passed out 17-year-old, then helpfully film it so police had evidence

But at some point she passed out, and that's when the Paris men got their inner perv on. At one point she awoke to find Jordan having sex with her, but she passed out again. The next time she woke up, Jordan's father, 43-year-old Kelly John Paris, was raping her.

She went to police early the next morning. During a search of the home, detectives found a camera and computer showing the douchebags had actually filmed themselves raping the girl, helpfully saved the recording as evidence for their subsequent trial. The tape showed all three men at the home having sex with the girl.

Given the evidence, it doesn't look like prosecutors will have any problem convicting these morons. Good luck in prison, boys!

This makes me think of what PVDS and JVDS might have done.  Is there a video out there?



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: theboyzmom on October 09, 2010, 09:28:49 PM
Posted by Poochy at GM. Poochy says from the NL but I believe it is actually HOLLAND, MICHIGAN:

http://www.truecrimereport.com/2010/10/kelly_paris_and_son_jordan_par.php


Kelly Paris and Son Jordan Paris Videotape Themselves Raping Passed Out Girl

Tuesday, Oct. 5 2010 @ 10:30AM


When it comes to class, it's hard to surpass the Paris family of Holland, Michigan. It seems a 17-year-old girl went to their home to visit Jordon Paris and his friend Sage Lewis, both 19. The girl had a few drinks in the wee hours of the morning and also spent time in the hot tub...

Jordon Paris, his friend and his dad decided to rape a passed out 17-year-old, then helpfully film it so police had evidence

But at some point she passed out, and that's when the Paris men got their inner perv on. At one point she awoke to find Jordan having sex with her, but she passed out again. The next time she woke up, Jordan's father, 43-year-old Kelly John Paris, was raping her.

She went to police early the next morning. During a search of the home, detectives found a camera and computer showing the douchebags had actually filmed themselves raping the girl, helpfully saved the recording as evidence for their subsequent trial. The tape showed all three men at the home having sex with the girl.

Given the evidence, it doesn't look like prosecutors will have any problem convicting these morons. Good luck in prison, boys!

This makes me think of what PVDS and JVDS might have done.  Is there a video out there?



This was from Michigan - I heard it on our local news. POS need to have parts loped off.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: San on October 09, 2010, 09:42:56 PM
Posted by Poochy at GM. Poochy says from the NL but I believe it is actually HOLLAND, MICHIGAN:

http://www.truecrimereport.com/2010/10/kelly_paris_and_son_jordan_par.php


Kelly Paris and Son Jordan Paris Videotape Themselves Raping Passed Out Girl

Tuesday, Oct. 5 2010 @ 10:30AM


When it comes to class, it's hard to surpass the Paris family of Holland, Michigan. It seems a 17-year-old girl went to their home to visit Jordon Paris and his friend Sage Lewis, both 19. The girl had a few drinks in the wee hours of the morning and also spent time in the hot tub...

Jordon Paris, his friend and his dad decided to rape a passed out 17-year-old, then helpfully film it so police had evidence

But at some point she passed out, and that's when the Paris men got their inner perv on. At one point she awoke to find Jordan having sex with her, but she passed out again. The next time she woke up, Jordan's father, 43-year-old Kelly John Paris, was raping her.

She went to police early the next morning. During a search of the home, detectives found a camera and computer showing the douchebags had actually filmed themselves raping the girl, helpfully saved the recording as evidence for their subsequent trial. The tape showed all three men at the home having sex with the girl.

Given the evidence, it doesn't look like prosecutors will have any problem convicting these morons. Good luck in prison, boys!

This makes me think of what PVDS and JVDS might have done.  Is there a video out there?


This is exactly what I think happened.

Deepak Kalpoe "your own father"


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 09, 2010, 09:54:48 PM
Freddy and His Camera

Aruban Attorney - FOX News - September 01, 2005


The Kalpoe brothers were released July 4 and rearrested last week with a friend of the three young men, Freddy Alexander Zedan-Arambatzis (search), 21.

Zedan-Arambatzis, who is not suspected of involvement in the Holloway case, is accused of taking photos of a minor female in "tempting poses" and of showing the photos to other people, said his lawyer, Diana Emerencia. He is also suspected of having unspecified "physical contact" with the girl, she said.

The Kalpoe brothers and van der Sloot are also suspected of involvement in the incident, which allegedly occurred before Holloway disappeared, Emerencia said.
 
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,168233,00.html


Aruban Attorney - At Large w/ Geraldo Rivera - August 27, 2005

BENVINDA DE SOUZA , FAMILY'S ARUBAN ATTORNEY: The rearrest of the Kalpoe brothers is based on the new facts and circumstances that in the course of the investigation have come forward. Freddy who is Joran’s best friend and neighbour is always with Joran and the Kalpoe brothers has also been arrested.  The official charges on Freddy Zedan-Arambatzis are intentionally distribute and show sexual images of a minor; intercourse with someone he knows is unconscious and sexual acts with a girl younger than 16 years.  I do believe he will remain in custody for quite some time. It is my understanding, that strategically he is a very important suspect along with Joran and the Kalpoe brothers.

.
'Scarborough Country' - August 26, 2005

LISA DANIELS, GUEST HOST: Yes. But I just can‘t get away from the fact that the Kalpoe brothers arrested today, Freddy arrested today. It has to mean something. There has to be a master plan here. What are you hearing about that?

JOSSY MANSUR, EDITOR, “DIARIO”:  Well, if there is a master plan, we will know about it soon enough.  What I do know is that Freddy was questioned at the beginning with relations to the Natalee Holloway case. He offered an alibi, I believe, to protect Joran. And then he was released. And now he‘s arrested as a suspect of selling photographs.  Maybe they are aiming to get to him through this photo business back to the Holloway case.

DANIELS:  It definitely smells that way.  You know, if you take the prosecution‘s statement at its face, we are talking on a whole new level, the charges here.  We are talking about drugs.  We are talking about rape and we are talking about rape of many different people.  There are four guys now in custody, four best friends.  What does that tell you?
 
MANSUR:  Well, what it tells me is that, really, these four guys are friends.  They belong to the same group, these party boys that go out and prey on young, unsuspected girls or other kinds of girls also that are out to have a good time, not suspecting what they‘re in for with these predators around.

And they are—they not only appear in photographs together, but I understand that Freddy lives very near to the Joran house.  So, there is a bond between them.  There is a group that they call themselves the pimps, in which all of these participate.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9119491/

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Dave Holloway - Corruption in Paradise

The Prosecutor immediate appealed the judge's decision to release the boys and the Court of Appeals had to arrange a date for hearing.  Joran's attorney announced, as a Dutch citizen, Joran would be allowed to go off to Holland to start college.  At some unknown time prior to this Freddy had been quietly released without charges being brought.

_____

Satish Kalpoe - Suspect Statement - June 24, 2005

I have met Freddy two times after it was confessed that the girl became missing. The first time I was with my brother Deepak at Joran’s apartment where Freddy was with his girlfriend Carmen, the sister of Carmen and another girlfriend came along to Joran’s. We spoke with Freddy but not concerning the matter of the missing girl. That day Freddy slept at Joran’s apartment.  I cannot remember what day that was.

The second time was when Joran, my brother and I took the camera to Freddy’s house. We delivered the camera to Freddy, and afterwards all four of us ate Chinese in the area of Freddy’s house.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=374.0





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 09, 2010, 11:10:42 PM
Connect the Dots?

Original Deepak, Satish and Joran were one in their statements that Natalee was taken to the lighthouse beside Arashi beach.  Then ... at some point in time ... Joran backtracked.  Apparently ... according to Joran ... the drive to the lighthouse beside Arashi did not happen.

Was the events encompassing the Marriot Beach all a fabrication ... a fabrication to take the focus of attention off of the Arashi Beach?

I hope everybody had a good day.

Janet
8:10 PM PT

++++++

Connect the Dots?

Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words

Kyle Kingman:
  While we were searching shortly before Christmas, we were contacted by an Aruban detective who was involved in the Holloway case. He claimed that his brother had a vision about Natalee’s body offshore and had coordinates. He and his brother agreed to meet on the Persistence. The detective's brother gave what he thought were coordinates, but turned out to be a line of latitude. This latitude aligned with Arashi beach and came within a half mile of the fish trap.

Kyle Kingman:  My opinion on Simian is that he is a detective/cop involved in the case since the beginning. My understanding is that there is only one of the originals remaining. He came to us during the search along with his brother who had a "vision" on where Natalee was disposed. The vision was cryptic and actually contained a latitude which from what he claimed could have been anywhere in the world. The brother thought they were coordinates, but it was just a latitude. Oddly, the latitude was within a half mile from where we found the trap and centered on Arashi beach. Basically, if you stood on land and pointed straight to the trap and were right on the money... this is what the difference amounts to. Based on this latitude we payed a little more attention to the northern portions of the search grid near that Latitude. The trap was found shortly after, within the original search area, but very close to the provided latitude. I would have found the trap without the latitude, but it was very strange


Deepak Kalpoe - Suspect Statement - June 11, 2005

I had been driving on, in the direction of Arashi. When I arrived at Arashi I stopped the car on the asphalted section. I got out because I had to take a pee. Then I got back in again and we drove in the direction of the “Lighthouse”. Arriving at the "Lighthouse" I drove into the road and drove past the front of the restaurant. When we drove past the front I said, here we are this is the “Lighthouse”. Nobody answered me. At some point I looked into the rear view mirror and saw that Joran and the girl were French kissing. I had not seen that Joran had his hand up the girls skirt. I only saw him kissing. I looked at my brother Satish. He said keep on driving. After that I continued in the direction from which we just came. I saw a little farther up at about where the Lighthouse was a green jeep and a four door, white car. After that I drove down the road towards Arashi.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=170.0



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 09, 2010, 11:11:44 PM
Klaas/Mods

Please delete post 318.

Thanks

Janet



Done


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 09, 2010, 11:36:32 PM
Thanks 2NJ.

Good Night

 ::HelloKitty::

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 10, 2010, 12:00:36 AM
http://www.expatica.com/nl/news/dutch-news/end-of-the-road-for-dutch-antilles_101761.html

End of the road for Dutch Antilles

The Dutch Antilles will stop existing from Sunday when two of its islands become independent states in the Kingdom of the Netherlands and three become Dutch municipalities under a pact concluded last month.

Until now, the Netherlands and its former colonies, the five-island Antilles and the neighbouring Caribbean isle of Aruba, were independent member countries of the Kingdom of the Netherlands.

But under the new deal, the Antillean islands of Curacao and St Maarten will become independent states in the Kingdom, while Bonaire, Saba and St Eustatius will become Dutch municipalities

"After midnight on Saturday, the country known as the Dutch Antilles will no longer exist," Dutch interior ministry spokesman Thijs Manten told AFP.

"The composition of the Kingdom of the Netherlands will change."

From Sunday, the kingdom will consist of the Netherlands, Aruba and the two largest ex-Antillean islands: Curacao with about 150,000 inhabitants and St Maarten with about 40,000
The islands of Bonaire, Saba, and St Eustatius, with less than 20,000 inhabitants between them, will become special-status Dutch municipalities.

The changes reflect the wishes of a majority of voters in referenda held on the islands, leading to the signing of a final pact by the Antilles, the Netherlands and Aruba on September 9.

Curacao and St Maarten will each have their own parliament, government, prime minister and currency: the guilder.

Bonaire, Saba and St Eustatius will switch to the US dollar and have "island councils" akin to municipal councils. Their inhabitants will vote for the national Dutch government.

The three new municipalities will have to adopt many Dutch laws. The most contentious among them, allowing for abortion, gay marriage and euthanasia, will be systematically adopted over a period of two years, said Manten.

"The big benefit of all this is that a country that did not function properly (the Antilles) will stop existing," he added. "It will free the islands from a lot of debt and allow them to make a fresh start, creating space for new policy formulation and spending on things like health and education."

Under the deal, the Dutch government would take over 70 percent of the debt of the Antilles, estimated at some 1.7 billion euros (2.4 billion dollars).


© 2010 AFP


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 10, 2010, 12:20:50 AM
http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/theday/obituary.aspx?n=russell-han&pid=145867456

(http://mi-cache.legacy.com/legacy/images/Cobrands/TheDay/Photos/RussellHan101010_20101009.jpg)

Russell Han

East Lyme - Russell L. Han, 55, of Charter Oak Drive, died suddenly on Monday, Oct. 4, 2010, while on vacation in Aruba.

Calling hours will be held from 5 to 9 p.m. on Monday at the Thomas L. Neilan & Sons East Lyme Funeral Home, 48 Grand St., Niantic. The funeral service and interment will be private.

Donations in his memory may be made to the Terri Brodeur Breast Cancer Foundation, PO Box 785, New London CT 06320.


http://www.theday.com/article/20101009/BIZ02/310099915/1044

Founder of Shack restaurants, Russell Han, 55, dies suddenly

By Patricia Daddona

Publication: The Day

Published 10/09/2010 12:00 AMUpdated 10/09/2010 04:57 AM
 COMMENTS ( 22 )

Russell Han, 55, dies suddenly

Russell Han, who brought home-style cooking and affordable dining to the region through the Shack restaurants in East Lyme, Waterford and Groton, died suddenly Monday while on vacation in Aruba.

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Comments:

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Oh MyPosted - October 9, 2010 03:17 PM

Condolences to the family, and even harder to hear this happened in Aruba. Be careful dealing with their Government on getting what you need. There is much to wonder about as I was and still am on the Holloway case there. Any questions or help needed please have the day write to me if you need help. Covering up things is Aruba's specialty. God Bless.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Magnolia on October 10, 2010, 12:45:24 AM
http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/theday/obituary.aspx?n=russell-han&pid=145867456

(http://mi-cache.legacy.com/legacy/images/Cobrands/TheDay/Photos/RussellHan101010_20101009.jpg)

Russell Han

East Lyme - Russell L. Han, 55, of Charter Oak Drive, died suddenly on Monday, Oct. 4, 2010, while on vacation in Aruba.

Calling hours will be held from 5 to 9 p.m. on Monday at the Thomas L. Neilan & Sons East Lyme Funeral Home, 48 Grand St., Niantic. The funeral service and interment will be private.

Donations in his memory may be made to the Terri Brodeur Breast Cancer Foundation, PO Box 785, New London CT 06320.


http://www.theday.com/article/20101009/BIZ02/310099915/1044

Founder of Shack restaurants, Russell Han, 55, dies suddenly

By Patricia Daddona

Publication: The Day

Published 10/09/2010 12:00 AMUpdated 10/09/2010 04:57 AM
 COMMENTS ( 22 )

Russell Han, 55, dies suddenly

Russell Han, who brought home-style cooking and affordable dining to the region through the Shack restaurants in East Lyme, Waterford and Groton, died suddenly Monday while on vacation in Aruba.

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Comments:

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Oh MyPosted - October 9, 2010 03:17 PM

Condolences to the family, and even harder to hear this happened in Aruba. Be careful dealing with their Government on getting what you need. There is much to wonder about as I was and still am on the Holloway case there. Any questions or help needed please have the day write to me if you need help. Covering up things is Aruba's specialty. God Bless.


That comment sounds like it could be from someone we know.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 10, 2010, 01:19:33 AM
http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/article/866699--the-playroom-meets-the-macabre

Controversial artist brings headlines into the playroom

Published On Sun Sep 26 2010

(http://media.thestar.topscms.com/images/b4/3c/e4f4788c422d9cf1fe2d1835c857.jpeg)

"The Twins" portrays the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks on the World Trade Centre in the playroom of two young boys.

JONATHAN HOBIN
Dan Robson
Staff Reporter


An olive-skinned boy glares ominously, pointing a toy plane towards twin building-block towers — one with a gaping hole, burning with construction paper fire, as toy soldiers fall to the playroom floor.

A boy on a box, covered in a black cloak and hood — his fingers wired with electrodes. A nearly-nude handcuffed boy, eyes screaming in terror as a stuffed dog wraps around his waist.

Abu Ghraib, 9/11 — meet the playroom.

A new series of controversial photographs from artist Jonathan Hobin, called In the Playroom, brings the headlines into the supposedly safe, carefree space of childhood playtime.

“I want people to acknowledge the fact that kids see the scariest things that are out there,” said Hobin of the exhibit, which among other notorious events, includes depictions of Hurricane Katrina, the 2004 tsunami, and the murder of JonBenét Ramsey.

Hobin, who studied photography at Ryerson, said the photos are intended to tear down to illusion that, in a media-saturated world, children can be sheltered.

“I want people to acknowledge the fact that kids see the scariest things that are out there,” he said. “If you see it, they see it.”

The 30-year-old’s work has been praised by art lovers who have flocked to the Dale Smith Gallery in Ottawa since the exhibit opened on Sept. 17.

But critics have vilified it.

Hobin says he’s been called everything from a pervert to someone with a prejudice against twins. (His portrayal of 9/11 is called “the Twins.”)

“They see the photographs and think it was just hours of me screwing with these kids’ minds,” Hobin said of the bloggers and tweeters who have voiced concerns over his work. “But the kids just had a lot of fun.”

The photos sparked a fierce debate between artistic licence and the taboo of using children in such controversial images on a popular blog called The Bad Moms Club.

Catherine Connors, a former academic and expert on mothering issues who runs the blog, argues that kids shouldn’t be having fun depicting scenes from Abu Ghraib.

“The original images and events are already shocking and horrifying,” she said. “What does putting children into the context add to that?”

Hobin said he’s surprised by the negative reaction toward parents who let their kids pose for the series.

“These are proactive, considerate parents, who had to think about what I was doing,” he said.

Richard Verreault’s 7-year-old son Justin posed for “A Boo Grave,” modelled after the Abu Ghraib prisoner torture at the hands of U.S. military police personnel.

He’s the small boy, handcuffed in his underwear, screaming with big, terror-filled, brown eyes. Verreault said that his son, who is a professional child model, was undaunted by the morbid set.

“It was work, and he was there to do the shoot,” he said. “He had a good time — and he got to eat a few lollipops.”

At first Amanda Etherington had mixed emotions about allowing her kids Caleb, 5, and Skylar, 7, to appear in the photos.

“We decided, at the end of the day, that really and truly what Jonathan is doing is art,” Etherington said. “It’s really subjective. And you’re either going to have people who get it, or people who don’t.”

Etherington’s children appear in “Spring Break” — a depiction of the unsolved disappearance of American teenager Natalee Holloway from Aruba in 2005.

“Skylar is being buried in the sand,” she said. “What kid hasn’t played that at the beach?”

Etherington says she knows people will think she’s a bad mother for letting her kids be in the photographs. (Caleb also appears in “Seal Heart”, a depiction of Governor General Michaëlle Jean eating a seal’s heart).

“I’d love it if I could change everyone’s mind,” she said. “But that’s not going to happen.”


http://www.thestar.com/fpLarge/photo/866724

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Aruba%20Misc/SpringBreak_RepresentsNatalee.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 10, 2010, 02:27:27 AM
 ::MonkeyShocked::

I'm still in shock over that last one...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 10, 2010, 02:30:04 AM
http://smart-grid.tmcnet.com/news/2010/10/06/5052902.htm

[October 06, 2010]   

Federal Contracts Awarded by Federal Agencies in Virginia (Oct. 6)

(Targeted News Service Via Acquire Media NewsEdge) by DONABEL HARMS Targeted News

Service WASHINGTON, Oct. 6 -- The following federal contracts were announced by federal agencies based in Virginia.

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DODBT *** MILITARY $18.51 Million Federal Contract Awarded to ITT Systems WASHINGTON,

Oct. 7 -- ITT Systems Corp., Colorado Springs, Colo., was awarded an $18,514,792 federal contract modification by the U.S. Air Combat Command, Langley Air Force Base, Va., for providing program management, operations, maintenance and mission support services to the aerial counter drug surveillance mission. Places of performance will be in Aruba, Curacao and Netherlands Antilles.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: wreck on October 10, 2010, 02:37:41 AM
http://www.expatica.com/nl/news/dutch-news/end-of-the-road-for-dutch-antilles_101761.html

End of the road for Dutch Antilles

The Dutch Antilles will stop existing from Sunday when two of its islands become independent states in the Kingdom of the Netherlands and three become Dutch municipalities under a pact concluded last month.

Until now, the Netherlands and its former colonies, the five-island Antilles and the neighbouring Caribbean isle of Aruba, were independent member countries of the Kingdom of the Netherlands.

But under the new deal, the Antillean islands of Curacao and St Maarten will become independent states in the Kingdom, while Bonaire, Saba and St Eustatius will become Dutch municipalities

"After midnight on Saturday, the country known as the Dutch Antilles will no longer exist," Dutch interior ministry spokesman Thijs Manten told AFP.

"The composition of the Kingdom of the Netherlands will change."

From Sunday, the kingdom will consist of the Netherlands, Aruba and the two largest ex-Antillean islands: Curacao with about 150,000 inhabitants and St Maarten with about 40,000
The islands of Bonaire, Saba, and St Eustatius, with less than 20,000 inhabitants between them, will become special-status Dutch municipalities.

The changes reflect the wishes of a majority of voters in referenda held on the islands, leading to the signing of a final pact by the Antilles, the Netherlands and Aruba on September 9.

Curacao and St Maarten will each have their own parliament, government, prime minister and currency: the guilder.

Bonaire, Saba and St Eustatius will switch to the US dollar and have "island councils" akin to municipal councils. Their inhabitants will vote for the national Dutch government.

The three new municipalities will have to adopt many Dutch laws. The most contentious among them, allowing for abortion, gay marriage and euthanasia, will be systematically adopted over a period of two years, said Manten.

"The big benefit of all this is that a country that did not function properly (the Antilles) will stop existing," he added. "It will free the islands from a lot of debt and allow them to make a fresh start, creating space for new policy formulation and spending on things like health and education."

Under the deal, the Dutch government would take over 70 percent of the debt of the Antilles, estimated at some 1.7 billion euros (2.4 billion dollars).


© 2010 AFP
That did not clear up anything for me! ::MonkeyQuestion:: ::MonkeyQuestion::
So, what is Aruba's status now????


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 10, 2010, 02:56:47 AM
http://www.expatica.com/nl/news/dutch-news/end-of-the-road-for-dutch-antilles_101761.html

End of the road for Dutch Antilles

The Dutch Antilles will stop existing from Sunday when two of its islands become independent states in the Kingdom of the Netherlands and three become Dutch municipalities under a pact concluded last month.

Until now, the Netherlands and its former colonies, the five-island Antilles and the neighbouring Caribbean isle of Aruba, were independent member countries of the Kingdom of the Netherlands.

But under the new deal, the Antillean islands of Curacao and St Maarten will become independent states in the Kingdom, while Bonaire, Saba and St Eustatius will become Dutch municipalities

"After midnight on Saturday, the country known as the Dutch Antilles will no longer exist," Dutch interior ministry spokesman Thijs Manten told AFP.

"The composition of the Kingdom of the Netherlands will change."

From Sunday, the kingdom will consist of the Netherlands, Aruba and the two largest ex-Antillean islands: Curacao with about 150,000 inhabitants and St Maarten with about 40,000
The islands of Bonaire, Saba, and St Eustatius, with less than 20,000 inhabitants between them, will become special-status Dutch municipalities.

The changes reflect the wishes of a majority of voters in referenda held on the islands, leading to the signing of a final pact by the Antilles, the Netherlands and Aruba on September 9.

Curacao and St Maarten will each have their own parliament, government, prime minister and currency: the guilder.

Bonaire, Saba and St Eustatius will switch to the US dollar and have "island councils" akin to municipal councils. Their inhabitants will vote for the national Dutch government.

The three new municipalities will have to adopt many Dutch laws. The most contentious among them, allowing for abortion, gay marriage and euthanasia, will be systematically adopted over a period of two years, said Manten.

"The big benefit of all this is that a country that did not function properly (the Antilles) will stop existing," he added. "It will free the islands from a lot of debt and allow them to make a fresh start, creating space for new policy formulation and spending on things like health and education."

Under the deal, the Dutch government would take over 70 percent of the debt of the Antilles, estimated at some 1.7 billion euros (2.4 billion dollars).


© 2010 AFP
That did not clear up anything for me! ::MonkeyQuestion:: ::MonkeyQuestion::
So, what is Aruba's status now????

If I understand it correctly, it doesn't really affect Aruba.  Aruba was already an independent state in the Kingdom of the Netherlands.  Now Curacao and St Maarten will also be. 

This might explain it a little better.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/caribbean/news/story/2010/10/101006_10-10-10.shtml



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 10, 2010, 03:12:08 AM
Here's a few more links, wreck. 

http://www.jakestake.tv/tag/10-10-10/

http://lincolngomez.com/2010/03/13/constitutional-restructuring-of-the-netherlands-antilles-101010/

http://www.curacao-law.com/2010/09/30/the-dismantling-of-the-netherlands-antilles-2/


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on October 10, 2010, 03:20:30 AM
::MonkeyShocked::

I'm still in shock over that last one...

 :smt100



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on October 10, 2010, 03:27:14 AM
http://www.expatica.com/nl/news/dutch-news/end-of-the-road-for-dutch-antilles_101761.html

End of the road for Dutch Antilles

The Dutch Antilles will stop existing from Sunday when two of its islands become independent states in the Kingdom of the Netherlands and three become Dutch municipalities under a pact concluded last month.

Until now, the Netherlands and its former colonies, the five-island Antilles and the neighbouring Caribbean isle of Aruba, were independent member countries of the Kingdom of the Netherlands.

But under the new deal, the Antillean islands of Curacao and St Maarten will become independent states in the Kingdom, while Bonaire, Saba and St Eustatius will become Dutch municipalities

"After midnight on Saturday, the country known as the Dutch Antilles will no longer exist," Dutch interior ministry spokesman Thijs Manten told AFP.

"The composition of the Kingdom of the Netherlands will change."

From Sunday, the kingdom will consist of the Netherlands, Aruba and the two largest ex-Antillean islands: Curacao with about 150,000 inhabitants and St Maarten with about 40,000
The islands of Bonaire, Saba, and St Eustatius, with less than 20,000 inhabitants between them, will become special-status Dutch municipalities.

The changes reflect the wishes of a majority of voters in referenda held on the islands, leading to the signing of a final pact by the Antilles, the Netherlands and Aruba on September 9.

Curacao and St Maarten will each have their own parliament, government, prime minister and currency: the guilder.

Bonaire, Saba and St Eustatius will switch to the US dollar and have "island councils" akin to municipal councils. Their inhabitants will vote for the national Dutch government.

The three new municipalities will have to adopt many Dutch laws. The most contentious among them, allowing for abortion, gay marriage and euthanasia, will be systematically adopted over a period of two years, said Manten.

"The big benefit of all this is that a country that did not function properly (the Antilles) will stop existing," he added. "It will free the islands from a lot of debt and allow them to make a fresh start, creating space for new policy formulation and spending on things like health and education."

Under the deal, the Dutch government would take over 70 percent of the debt of the Antilles, estimated at some 1.7 billion euros (2.4 billion dollars).


© 2010 AFP
That did not clear up anything for me! ::MonkeyQuestion:: ::MonkeyQuestion::
So, what is Aruba's status now????

Status:  Critical.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 10, 2010, 03:40:27 AM
::MonkeyShocked::

I'm still in shock over that last one...

 :smt100



The article:  Controversial artist brings headlines into the playroom

The photos of the kids reenacting the headlines.

They're just so young...do they really "get" what they're doing, or will they regret or be upset about those photos later?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 10, 2010, 04:31:10 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Beth_Natalee_June20102.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/StephanyandherfatherRicardoFlores.jpg)

JUSTICE FOR NATALEE
AND STEPHANY!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on October 10, 2010, 09:47:19 AM
::MonkeyShocked::

I'm still in shock over that last one...

 :smt100



The article:  Controversial artist brings headlines into the playroom

The photos of the kids reenacting the headlines.

They're just so young...do they really "get" what they're doing, or will they regret or be upset about those photos later?

The parents say they don't get what they are doing, only playing, and play acting.  I don't know about later, both in these scenes and in real life, I would imagine it would be harmful both ways.

I think the idea, that we let our kids see way to much and know way too much is true.  I guess he wanted to make a powerful statement about that and boy, did he.

We don't let out kids be kids for very long, it is horrifying to see our children, in those adult situations, carrying over to their play.  Play therapy brings our childrens' concerns in play.  It is a powerful tool to find out what your kids are really thinking or wondering about.  It is scary to think this is what they are thinking about.  Kids always have played war--with guns and everything that goes with it.  They also play adult video games which put their game figures in adult situations, it is frightening to think of our children being in those situations, but that is your child playing the game when you let them, not an adult.  Powerful stuff.

It is scary to think of what we put our kids through, let them go through, or take themselves through on a daily basis by ignoring ratings or our own common sense.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on October 10, 2010, 09:50:20 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Beth_Natalee_June20102.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/StephanyandherfatherRicardoFlores.jpg)

JUSTICE FOR NATALEE
AND STEPHANY!

WOW!  Thanks, Sis.   ::MonkeyHeart:: ::MonkeyTears::

::MonkeyJustice::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on October 10, 2010, 09:52:42 AM


Please light a candle.

            http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5700.msg878415#msg878415



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Ono on October 10, 2010, 10:39:11 AM
No need to think about those bones, GLENDA/RENFRO has explained everything  ::MonkeyHaHa::


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Why am I not surprised!   ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::  No kidding ...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Ono on October 10, 2010, 10:49:35 AM
Posted by Poochy at GM. Poochy says from the NL but I believe it is actually HOLLAND, MICHIGAN:

http://www.truecrimereport.com/2010/10/kelly_paris_and_son_jordan_par.php


Kelly Paris and Son Jordan Paris Videotape Themselves Raping Passed Out Girl

Tuesday, Oct. 5 2010 @ 10:30AM


When it comes to class, it's hard to surpass the Paris family of Holland, Michigan. It seems a 17-year-old girl went to their home to visit Jordon Paris and his friend Sage Lewis, both 19. The girl had a few drinks in the wee hours of the morning and also spent time in the hot tub...

Jordon Paris, his friend and his dad decided to rape a passed out 17-year-old, then helpfully film it so police had evidence

But at some point she passed out, and that's when the Paris men got their inner perv on. At one point she awoke to find Jordan having sex with her, but she passed out again. The next time she woke up, Jordan's father, 43-year-old Kelly John Paris, was raping her.

She went to police early the next morning. During a search of the home, detectives found a camera and computer showing the douchebags had actually filmed themselves raping the girl, helpfully saved the recording as evidence for their subsequent trial. The tape showed all three men at the home having sex with the girl.

Given the evidence, it doesn't look like prosecutors will have any problem convicting these morons. Good luck in prison, boys!

This makes me think of what PVDS and JVDS might have done.  Is there a video out there?


This is exactly what I think happened.

Deepak Kalpoe "your own father"

I agree.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: cookie on October 10, 2010, 10:51:55 AM
::MonkeyShocked::

I'm still in shock over that last one...

 :smt100



shocking !


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Anna on October 10, 2010, 11:18:44 AM
Posted by Poochy at GM. Poochy says from the NL but I believe it is actually HOLLAND, MICHIGAN:

http://www.truecrimereport.com/2010/10/kelly_paris_and_son_jordan_par.php


Kelly Paris and Son Jordan Paris Videotape Themselves Raping Passed Out Girl

Tuesday, Oct. 5 2010 @ 10:30AM


When it comes to class, it's hard to surpass the Paris family of Holland, Michigan. It seems a 17-year-old girl went to their home to visit Jordon Paris and his friend Sage Lewis, both 19. The girl had a few drinks in the wee hours of the morning and also spent time in the hot tub...

Jordon Paris, his friend and his dad decided to rape a passed out 17-year-old, then helpfully film it so police had evidence

But at some point she passed out, and that's when the Paris men got their inner perv on. At one point she awoke to find Jordan having sex with her, but she passed out again. The next time she woke up, Jordan's father, 43-year-old Kelly John Paris, was raping her.

She went to police early the next morning. During a search of the home, detectives found a camera and computer showing the douchebags had actually filmed themselves raping the girl, helpfully saved the recording as evidence for their subsequent trial. The tape showed all three men at the home having sex with the girl.

Given the evidence, it doesn't look like prosecutors will have any problem convicting these morons. Good luck in prison, boys!

This makes me think of what PVDS and JVDS might have done.  Is there a video out there?




And oh, how we looked through the nights right after Natalee disappeared.  Convinced that the unusual 8 minute phone call from Joran to Deepak was an upload of some kind, we did try to find something.

Paulus odd trip to Miami was also fueling that belief.  And the long lost grindle codes and all the other teases and taunts. 

I don't know if there is a video or not but if there is one, I have always thought Deepak would be key to its location.  I wonder if the Kalpoes consider that defamation, lol.

JMO


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: klaasend on October 10, 2010, 08:16:33 PM
Did this already get posted?

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_79381.php

Prison for robbery Aruba Security & Crime Prevention
October 9, 2010, 15:12 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - Four men who were directly involved in the armed robbery of money from security company runners Aruba Security and Crime Prevention (ASCP) on November 30 of last year, were yesterday sentenced to prison terms of 3.5 and 4.5 years. When the raid was a sum of over 8.5 tons seized florins. This is only a fraction recovered.

by our reporter
Alex Lacle

Two other suspects, who include the judge guilty of laundering the stolen money, were sentenced to suspended sentences with probation for two years. The seventh suspect, who was chief security guard at the security company, was acquitted by the court for lack of evidence. The case of the eighth and final suspect on this robbery was postponed until next month, on November 11.

Two security guards from the security company were aware of the date last year about nine hours in the morning outside the ACP office by three men armed robbery. These were three big bags of money, a gun and a radio stolen. The amount of money bags was a florin 797,953.74 and $ 34,355.47. The robbers had a firearm that all three during the raid was aimed at threatening the guards. The robbers also deny that the used firearms were loaded.

Although the prime suspect, Tricio Giovanni Koyochi "Gumbs (43) all denied, he was yesterday sentenced to four years and six months unconditional jail minus remand for a co-perpetrator of an armed robbery, illegal possession of firearms and money laundering. In addition, a car and a boat Gumbs forfeited. This, according to the court the proceeds of the robbery were purchased. The Public Prosecutor (OM) had demanded six years. Gumbs did not physically participate in the robbery, but, according to the court does have everything prepared. He has also met perpetrators shortly after the robbery and transported them to a secure location for counting and distributing the money. The testimonies of several people, including the confessions of the three robbers, Gumbs point to as "brain" behind the robbery. But he says firmly that "everyone is trying to frame him down." The money for the boat and car, he would have earned with his own tour company. "The officer has something personal against me," Gumbs said yesterday in court. "He is very false. I know, I got people out. "The court, however, told his story as" implausible ". "Why would the officer do that. He treats only the case, there are plenty of incriminating statements against you, "said the judge to Gumbs.

The robbers Leonel Land Mark and Sergio Salas received 3.5 years of imprisonment checkout custody. The prosecution had Land Mark Salas 4 and 3.5 years required. The judge took into account in considering the almost blank criminal record and no criminal Land Mark Salas. The fact that the accused cooperated with the police investigation and their role in robbery admitted, worked in their favor. Does remain an armed robbery a very serious matter, said the judge. Both are thus condemned to a co-commission of armed robbery, illegal possession of firearms and money laundering. As he said they received around 175,000 florins per person for their part in the robbery. Land Mark of the money would have gone to pay off the debts. Salas says he has the loot equipment purchased for growing marijuana. This would be stolen.

The third robber, Mike Marcano (26), was sentenced to 4.5 years less cell custody. A half years shorter than that required by the OM. He was like the others convicted of complicity in an armed robbery, illegal possession of firearms and money laundering. He claims the money from the robbery has never seen. Gumbs would have kept everything in his possession. Marcana was also convicted of extortion by force, aanvulled an offense he committed in March 2010.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on October 10, 2010, 10:05:18 PM
Who is the judge, I wonder?   


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 10, 2010, 10:37:11 PM
Did this already get posted?

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_79381.php

Prison for robbery Aruba Security & Crime Prevention
October 9, 2010, 15:12 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - Four men who were directly involved in the armed robbery of money from security company runners Aruba Security and Crime Prevention (ASCP) on November 30 of last year, were yesterday sentenced to prison terms of 3.5 and 4.5 years. When the raid was a sum of over 8.5 tons seized florins. This is only a fraction recovered.

by our reporter
Alex Lacle

Two other suspects, who include the judge guilty of laundering the stolen money, were sentenced to suspended sentences with probation for two years. The seventh suspect, who was chief security guard at the security company, was acquitted by the court for lack of evidence. The case of the eighth and final suspect on this robbery was postponed until next month, on November 11.

Two security guards from the security company were aware of the date last year about nine hours in the morning outside the ACP office by three men armed robbery. These were three big bags of money, a gun and a radio stolen. The amount of money bags was a florin 797,953.74 and $ 34,355.47. The robbers had a firearm that all three during the raid was aimed at threatening the guards. The robbers also deny that the used firearms were loaded.

Although the prime suspect, Tricio Giovanni Koyochi "Gumbs (43) all denied, he was yesterday sentenced to four years and six months unconditional jail minus remand for a co-perpetrator of an armed robbery, illegal possession of firearms and money laundering. In addition, a car and a boat Gumbs forfeited. This, according to the court the proceeds of the robbery were purchased. The Public Prosecutor (OM) had demanded six years. Gumbs did not physically participate in the robbery, but, according to the court does have everything prepared. He has also met perpetrators shortly after the robbery and transported them to a secure location for counting and distributing the money. The testimonies of several people, including the confessions of the three robbers, Gumbs point to as "brain" behind the robbery. But he says firmly that "everyone is trying to frame him down." The money for the boat and car, he would have earned with his own tour company. "The officer has something personal against me," Gumbs said yesterday in court. "He is very false. I know, I got people out. "The court, however, told his story as" implausible ". "Why would the officer do that. He treats only the case, there are plenty of incriminating statements against you, "said the judge to Gumbs.

The robbers Leonel Land Mark and Sergio Salas received 3.5 years of imprisonment checkout custody. The prosecution had Land Mark Salas 4 and 3.5 years required. The judge took into account in considering the almost blank criminal record and no criminal Land Mark Salas. The fact that the accused cooperated with the police investigation and their role in robbery admitted, worked in their favor. Does remain an armed robbery a very serious matter, said the judge. Both are thus condemned to a co-commission of armed robbery, illegal possession of firearms and money laundering. As he said they received around 175,000 florins per person for their part in the robbery. Land Mark of the money would have gone to pay off the debts. Salas says he has the loot equipment purchased for growing marijuana. This would be stolen.

The third robber, Mike Marcano (26), was sentenced to 4.5 years less cell custody. A half years shorter than that required by the OM. He was like the others convicted of complicity in an armed robbery, illegal possession of firearms and money laundering. He claims the money from the robbery has never seen. Gumbs would have kept everything in his possession. Marcana was also convicted of extortion by force, aanvulled an offense he committed in March 2010.

I'd posted it last night, but that's alright Klaas.  JMO, but from my understanding... I don't think the part you underlined is like it sounds.  I don't think the judge was actually one that laundered the money.  Maybe it's a translation thing, and hopefully Amigoe will have the English translation of the article one day next week. 

Here's another article about it translated...

http://www.boletinextra.com/index.php/corte/71-corte/3995-entre-3-y-4-ana-y-mey-di-prison-pa-atracadornan-di-aruba-crime-prevention.html

Papiamentu translation:

among 3 y 4 year y mey by gaol before atracadornan by aruba crime prevention

saturday, 09 october 2010 13:47

yesterday by morning esospechosonan m.j.a.marcano, s.m.salas, w.h.landsmark, t.g.gumbs “kayochi”, j.j.r.burleson, the.e.thompson, b.g.obispa y the muher l.y.gumbs owing to present in corte.

for her caso by atraco arm at aruba security crime prevention day 30 november 2009 caminda owing to steal 797.953,74 guilder more 34.355,47 dollar y one glock 17.9 mm. fiscal is attain marcana, salas y landsmark culpable by the atraco arm, caminda they owing to menaza person cu arm y cu they had coin in they power. besides the is attain cu they owing to wash the 175 thousand guilder cu cada one owing to attain for by the botin cu they owing to steal. past owing to exigi before marcano 5 year by gaol, before landsmark past owing to exigi 4 year while cu before salas past owing to exigi 3 year y 6 moon by gaol. t.gumbs, that fiscal is considera the celebro behind the atraco arm here, past owing to exigi 6 year by gaol. before obispa past owing to exigi 10 moon by gaol, for her lady l.gumbs past owing to exigi 10 moon by gaol while cu before thompson past owing to exigi 1 year by gaol.

tratamento by the caso owing to continue till in oranan late by afternoon caminda judge owing to dicta sentencia by trip.

judge owing to condena salas y landsmark at 3 anja y 6 moon by gaol.

marcano owing to wordo condena at 4 anja y 6 moon by gaol. the arm by marcano is remain confisca.

judge owing to say cu the have doubt if thompson cu was work at crime prevention will is esun cu owing to happen informacion y owing to declar’e pound.

l.gumbs, is wordo attain culpable by did take coin steal y judge owing to conden’e at 300 day by cual 289 day is condicional cu one time by proof by 2 anja.

judge owing to say cu the is attain t.gumbs culpable by is envolvi. es more the is attain cu have pruebanan cu is t.gumbs is the cabezante y owing to conden’e at 4 anja y 6 moon by gaol. come across


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: San on October 10, 2010, 10:40:05 PM
Who is the judge, I wonder?   

Paulus, that's why he got a suspended sentence ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: klaasend on October 10, 2010, 10:41:59 PM
Who is the judge, I wonder?   

Paulus, that's why he got a suspended sentence ::MonkeyDevil::

(http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff258/truckthis/emoticons/thbig_rotflol.gif)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 10, 2010, 10:43:41 PM
Who is the judge, I wonder?   

Paulus, that's why he got a suspended sentence ::MonkeyDevil::

(http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff258/truckthis/emoticons/thbig_rotflol.gif)

Good one San!   ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on October 10, 2010, 10:58:48 PM
Who is the judge, I wonder?   

Paulus, that's why he got a suspended sentence ::MonkeyDevil::

 ::MonkeyDevil::

Are they planning on digging him up so he can finally pay his dues?   ::MonkeyJustice::

Or is it one of the other judges and suspended means  ::MonkeyHang::




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: billb's daughter on October 10, 2010, 11:08:07 PM
Who is the judge, I wonder?   

Paulus, that's why he got a suspended sentence ::MonkeyDevil::
Good one San!...
Paulass is paying Hell for it now.... ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on October 10, 2010, 11:29:56 PM
Who is the judge, I wonder?   

Paulus, that's why he got a suspended sentence ::MonkeyDevil::

(http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff258/truckthis/emoticons/thbig_rotflol.gif)

 ::MonkeyDevil::   You know that thought crossed my mind. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: billb's daughter on October 10, 2010, 11:43:45 PM
Kelly Paris and Son Jordan Paris Videotape Themselves Raping Passed Out Girl
Like many Good Monkeys.....
When Natalee went missing in aruba in May 2005 I fully expected a professional investigation and as info came forward I thought urine and k2's would be prosecuted and convicted....and Natalee would be recovered and sent home to her family....
I was very naive back then...but in the early weeks we learned that those involved and those 'investigating' had no morals and of course we are here today....a lot more educated and a lot more skeptical of anything coming out of aruba......
But early on as we learned, after the fact, of the length of deception and coverup by aruban investigators and the perps...
I really believed (and still do) that urine, k2, freddy, and pappa (POS) sloot participated in (and probably others) and videotaped the rape and murder of Natalee.....And that was the overwhelming reason that aruba and perps  could never let the truth come forward.......after all...they had done this 20 times before and nothing bad happened (no murders) until Natalee.......


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: billb's daughter on October 11, 2010, 12:13:40 AM
Keepthefaith....time to come back and give me hard time about the Chargers....
wreck can't do it...he's a Cowboys fan..... ::MonkeyWink::
Seattle    2   2   0   .500
San Diego    2   3   0   .400
Dallas    1   3   0   .250

 ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on October 11, 2010, 12:34:18 AM
( Note:  I have edited one word in the translation below)

Camaraderie in the NBC studios

Recently I received a mail from out of nowhere TV network NBC. Or I go to the studios in Rockefeller Center (New York) was revealed. The editors of the Dateline program, was working on a two-hour broadcast on Joran van der Sloot and just had the tape of an interview with the crime reporter John van den Heuvel received. That interview appeared in Dutch to have decreased, and that they do not speak at NBC.

For me to spot the tire to translate and help decide which clips were used. I was not ignorant of the case-flute Van der Sloot was no objection.

I am curious about the unknown world of American TV I went toward midtown, where as usual tourist groups in the iconic Universal Studios NBC board had gathered. Within choked on the tourists, in a long line for the observation deck where many a reporter doing a stand-up.

Of the glamor out was suggested in the question. This was an office with reception, and passes, where young men work long days at the NBC broadcast channels and services 24 hours a day to provide content and where, like everywhere else complained about the coffee.

What I in edithok learned was this: no better way to camaraderie with strangers to create than co-eight hours together in a small space to a screen watching, that my temporary colleagues not selected for fragments of foul language originated, but do not dirty goods, which by my new friends the assessment made about Joran can be best summarized as a motherf*cker, and that NBC Dateline a murder would do to solve the disappearance of Natalee Holloway and the killing of Stephany Flores - if only never more images of a blow-using Joran van der Sloot having to see. All in the name of justice, of course.


http://www.depers.nl/buitenland/515716/Kameraadschap-in-de-NBC-studios.html


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: klaasend on October 11, 2010, 12:54:44 AM
http://www.aikenstandard.com/Local/1011-awareness-ribbons

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Colors of causes: What does your ribbon represent?

As is true in communities nationwide, the lamp posts in downtown Aiken are adorned with light pink ribbons this month as a display of support for the fight against breast cancer during National Breast Cancer Awareness month.

Similar ribbons - this time in yellow - are displayed around patriotic holidays, as well as year-round, as a way of showing support for troops who are serving or who have served in the United States military.

Still other ribbons show up on the lapels and dresses of celebrities at award shows and on the bumpers of cars driving down the interstate.

While awareness ribbons in various colors have become commonly associated with specific causes, the lack of regulation of ribbon colors means that one color can have as many as 20 or more causes associated with it, and its significance is largely left open for interpretation.

"There is no real ownership with colors of ribbons. It kind of leaves the market open and leaves people to adopt a color that they think fits with what they're doing and what they think they're going to get attention with," said Elissa McCrary, regional communications manager for the American Cancer Society.

The idea of using ribbons as tools to raise awareness is traced back to the 1970s, when Penelope Laingen, a Maryland woman whose husband was held hostage during the Iran Hostage Crisis, tied a yellow ribbon around a tree outside her Bethesda home. She said that she took the idea from a song that she liked, "Tie a Yellow Ribbon 'Round the Old Oak Tree," sung by Tony Orlando and Dawn and written by Irwin Levine and Larry Russell Brown.

The song tells the story of a convict riding a bus home after being released from prison. He tells the driver that he has written to a woman asking her to tie a yellow ribbon to a tree if she will have him back when he returns. Opening his eyes when he arrives home, he realizes that the tree is covered in ribbons.

Since then, other organizations, community groups and individuals have begun using ribbons to represent causes. Doing so is as simple as choosing a color and creating a ribbon, said Sarah Andrews, an employee at Personalized Cause, a web-based awareness ribbon merchant.

While the yellow ribbon has remained primarily a symbol of support for the troops, it has also come to be used to raise awareness for suicide prevention, carbon monoxide poisoning, adoptive parenting, sarcoma/bone cancer and bladder cancer. It is also an awareness color for missing children and was even used in a "Boycott Aruba for Natalee Holloway" campaign, in support of the high school student who went missing on a 2005 trip to Aruba.

"This is an ongoing situation," said Andrews. "People come at us every day for causes. Whatever they decide to use, that's what we honor."

The American Cancer Society uses different colored ribbons to represent various forms of cancer, though the pink ribbon for breast cancer and the purple ribbon for ACS' Relay For Life fundraiser are the most recognizable.

The use of the pink ribbon was begun in 1991 by Evelyn Lauder of the Estee Lauder Corp. and Alexandra Penney of Self Magazine while putting together an issue of Self to recognize breast cancer awareness month. They heard about a peach ribbon used by a woman named Charlotte Haley in recognition of her daughter, grandmother and sister's diagnosis with breast cancer, and they wanted to use the peach ribbon in their magazine. Haley declined because she feared the ribbon would become commercialized, so the women chose the pink ribbon instead, according to ACS.

Because one ribbon can be used to represent any number of causes, McCrary said, many organizations incorporate the ribbon color into a larger logo, which can be trademarked and remain unique. ACS does so through using the ribbon in the Making Strides Against Breast Cancer logo.

The red ribbon, which is most commonly associated with HIV/AIDS, is also used for alcohol and substance abuse awareness and a skin condition called epidermolysis bullosa. It is also often associated with stroke and heart disease, and red ribbons are sold and worn in recognition of it; however, the American Heart Association said that it does not use an awareness ribbon at all.

"We really don't use a red ribbon because that's for AIDS awareness," said Catherine Ramsey, director for communications and marketing at the American Heart Association.

AHA has used a logo with a heart and torch since 1924 and, in 2003, began using a Go Red for Women red dress logo as one of several organizations collaborating to support women's health issues, but a ribbon has never been incorporated, Ramsey said.

With the exception of causes that are hate-based, personalizedcause.com accepts any ribbon color for any cause, and no research is done to see if a cause is associated with another color, Andrews said. This results in some causes being represented by multiple colors, such as colon cancer, a disease linked to a dark blue ribbon by ACS and a brown ribbon by the Katie Couric Colon Cancer Foundation.

Some ribbons incorporate patterns and are more unique, such as the puzzle piece patterned ribbon supporting Autism, the lace ribbon supporting osteoporosis and the rainbow ribbon supporting gay rights.

Andrews said she believes that the non-verbal nature of using a ribbon is part of the reason they are used.

"You don't have to be out in the public announcing your cause. It could just be that you wear it, and people interpret it however they want to," she said.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: billb's daughter on October 11, 2010, 01:26:53 AM
Yellow Ribbons signify HOPE for many causes.......http://legacy.decaturdaily.com/decaturdaily/news/051117/ribbons.shtml
The Yellow Ribbons come down and fade away.....
But HOPE GROWS STRONGER.....

 MOUNTAIN BROOK. — Yellow ribbons put up in hope of Natalee Holloway's safe return to Alabama began coming down Wednesday nearly six months after the teenager vanished during her senior trip to Aruba.

Friends and relatives held a brief ceremony signifying the removal of the ribbons — an omnipresent show of support in this cloistered, wealthy Birmingham suburb — to let the community know it was OK with the family for supporters to begin moving on.

As dozens of people placed bows in a big yellow box outside City Hall, many also signed a statement pledging continued support for Beth Twitty, Holloway's mother, in her search for her daughter.

"When we first put the bows up we thought we'd have her home, not that we'd be still looking six months later," said Marcia Twitty, an aunt of the honors student.

"It's just time for them to come down," she said. "We've had a lot of people ask us what they should do with their bows. They're getting weathered and tattered."


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: billb's daughter on October 11, 2010, 01:34:19 AM
Urine is in Hell's earthly waiting room....soon to join paulass in eternal Hell......anitass...come on down.....yourrrrrrr next! followed by many others for their roles in Natalee's...and Stephany's murders....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: billb's daughter on October 11, 2010, 02:04:29 AM
Good Night Good Monkeys....... ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 11, 2010, 02:34:04 AM

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Beth_Natalee_June20102.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/StephanyandherfatherRicardoFlores.jpg)

JUSTICE FOR NATALEE
AND STEPHANY!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: MuffyBee on October 11, 2010, 10:05:49 AM
Good morning KTF  :sunny:  I don't see you in the rafters, but I believe you are or soon will be here reading today.  I don't think you will give up on Natalee, because you are "Keep the Faith", which means just that.  You may not be logged in, but I think you're here with us, for Natalee.  I'm posting the clock:

(http://bestsmileys.com/clocks/3.gif)

Tick-tock.  Justice for Natalee


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 11, 2010, 11:23:10 AM
Looks like the news of those sentences in the Aruba Security and Crime Prevention robbery was a real deterrent for the same type of crime in Aruba.   

::MonkeyRoll::  ::MonkeyNoNo::

2 hora happen | fecha: 11/10/2010 | horario: 08:20

atraco arm at office by subway at stadionweg, 4 person arm cu pistol, revolver y shotgun owing to comete this at instant cu the transporte by coin by weekend

owing to arrive monday morning just hour cu the transporte by coin owing to arrive at office by subway in stadionweg, 4 person strongly arm cu pistol,revolver y shotgun owing to comete atraco. they owing to huy bay in one toyota yaris model new cu glasnan tinted. is deal here by 4 person color cla. they will owing to bay cu one suma by more by 20 thousand guilder. we will follow informa.

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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 11, 2010, 11:24:27 AM
Here's the link for the article I just posted:

http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=4839&offId=0


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 11, 2010, 11:34:26 AM
Not sure what this one is all about.  Tourist not responding in some way?  At the Divi Phoenix.  The guy standing beside the ambulance must have been with him.

http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=4837&offId=0&offDate=2010-10

Papiamentu translation:

13 hora happen | fecha: 10/10/2010 | horario: 21:34 equipo by rescate by bombero owing to bay at divi phoenix before aid descend tourist cu owing to cay y not was reacciona relato in some instant come across

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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: SuzieQ on October 11, 2010, 12:44:57 PM
Got a google alert on the site below. It is dated today but it is just recycled news. There is a 10 minute video, that I had seen parts of but I don't think I had seen all of it.

http://nataleeholloway.publicrecordbase.com/joran-van-der-sloot-trafficking-thailand-girls/.html


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 11, 2010, 12:46:55 PM
http://www.peterrdevries.nl/nieuws/vijftien-jaar-peter-r.-de-vries/

Google translation:

Monday, October 11, 2010, 13:53 hours

News

Fifteen years Peter R. de Vries, crime reporter!

On Sunday 10-10-'10, the program existed Peter R. de Vries, crime reporter fifteen years. High time for an overview. What were the highlights of the past fifteen years? A photo shoot.

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Peter%20DeVries/95-96.jpg)

On October 10, 1995 is the first episode of the program, Peter R. de Vries, crime reporter with RTL4 a fact. One of the first broadcast deals with the controversial passport affair, Peter demonstrates how easy it is to Curaçao to get a genuine passport under a false name.

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Peter%20DeVries/96-97.jpg)

In 1997, Peter held diskettes that are captured in a theft at the National Crime Squad (LRT). In a special broadcast, Peter based on this information, including a major corruption scandal within the FNV exposed. The file is growing nationwide to LRT affair.

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Peter%20DeVries/97-98.jpg)

In 1998 the program moved to SBS 6, where it is still emitted. This season on a high-profile broadcast Heineken-kidnapper Frans 'Spine' Meijer, thanks to Peter's efforts by police and arrested can be put down. In 1994 Peter achieved one of its biggest scoops of his career, when he for the Panorama for over ten years tracked down fugitive criminals in the South American Paraguay.

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Peter%20DeVries/98-99.jpg)

In 1998 Peter praises along with several businessmen reward of half a million guilders for the tip that leads to solving the murder of Nicky Verstappen. In fifteen years Peter R. de Vries, crime reporter Peter spent countless broadcasts of murdering the 11-year-old boy, but despite tremendous efforts of the program is the still unsolved murder.

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Peter%20DeVries/99-00.jpg)

One of the highlights of the fifth season is the impressive journey along with Peter Corry van Buuren to Turkey makes. Peter is from the beginning been closely involved in the case of Marion and Romy van Buuren: he made in the various stages reports on the mysterious drama. In 2002, following the highly anticipated showdown as the remains of Marion and Romy van Buuren will be found in the dunes between Egmond and Bergen.

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Peter%20DeVries/00-01.jpg)

Peter spent his program frequently focus on the Schiedam Park murder, which he pointed to numerous inconsistencies in the sentencing of John B. It was after the second Putten murder miscarriage of justice where Peter put his finger on the sore spot.

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Peter%20DeVries/01-02.jpg)

Peter launched in 2002 that, after some forty-five years of research and programs, a review process came in the Putten murder. This led to a landmark ruling: Herman Dubois and Wilco Viet, almost seven years had been unjustly imprisoned, were acquitted of the murder of Chris Ambrose.

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Peter%20DeVries/02-03.jpg)

Through the efforts of the program was also the case Bebe Pana started rolling. The police never saw a case, but in different broadcasts Peter knows the lies of her ex-husband Edwin W. unravel to him in 2006 to 12 years imprisonment to stand. Appeal in Edwin W. to the surprise of many acquitted.

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Peter%20DeVries/03-04.jpg)

The program took in 2003 for the first time the world press with revelations about Princess Mabel Wisse Smit, who has had a relationship with mafia boss Klaas Bruinsma. Netherlands shook on its foundations, the monarchy tottered here and Prince Johan Friso had to waive his rights to the throne.

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Peter%20DeVries/04-05.jpg)

In the tenth year of the program, Peter devotes an extended broadcast of the murder of Milica van Doorn. After a final attempt to research a new impetus, Peter gets done it that a new DNA investigations.

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Peter%20DeVries/05-06.jpg)

In a report over two and a half hours from Dallas, Texas, early 2006 Peter was an ultimate attempt to shed new light on one of the most notorious killings of all time: that of John F. Kennedy in November 1963. The results show that Peter was the longest ever made, featuring never-seen footage in the Netherlands and an interview with the man who claims one of the two killers of Kennedy to be.

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Peter%20DeVries/06-07.jpg)

In an extra-long broadcast in 2007 that Peter had a number of Dutch arms dealers (also) have been responsible for the fact that thousands of firearms in the hands of criminal gangs have come. Peter made it painfully clear that Justice in this case is not pure and suspected arms dealers operated thereby escaped the dance.

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Peter%20DeVries/07-08.jpg)

In 2008, Peter showed the true story behind the disappearance of American school student Natalee Holloway in Aruba. During one of the most prolonged, strenuous and ingenious hidden camera actions of our program, known Joran that Natalee Holloway in his arms on the beach had died and that her body then with the help of a friend in the sea has dumped. This led to a spectacular show with a record audience of 7.2 million viewers, the images have gone around the world. For this broadcast in 2008, Peter won the prestigious New York Emmy Award.

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Peter%20DeVries/08-09.jpg)

One of the highlights of 2009 was the conviction of Reinier Smit for the murder of his wife Gonda Smit Drent. Thirteen years Peter has been very much research and many high-profile broadcasts about the case made, and Reinier Smit was not spared.

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Peter%20DeVries/09-10.jpg)

In the fifteenth season of Peter R. de Vries, a Dutch most shocking part series about notorious serial killer and child Koos H. This program showed us the existence of a real cover-up surrounding the dubious role of judge Cornelis Stolk from The Hague. The broadcasts grew into a national affair, in which Peter three times to court and had our program even defied a court order. For the third episode was a historically high fine of 500,000 euros demanded, so the report has substantial interest, nepotism and corruption within the judiciary is not in the original state could be broadcast.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 11, 2010, 12:56:26 PM
I saw two mistakes after I posted, would a kind mod please help...

Under 98/99 picture, please add an "I" for what should say "In"

Under 05/06 picture, please do the same.

And please make the same corrections here:  http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8785.0 (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8785.0)
TIA   ::MonkeyCool::

Sorry about that, I should have proofed before I posted;!    :2redface:

I was more concerned with getting the pictures in the right place.   ::MonkeyHaHa::

Done & will get the other link, too


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Lifesong on October 11, 2010, 01:03:22 PM
I saw two mistakes after I posted, would a kind mod please help...

Under 98/99 picture, please add an "I" for what should say "In"

Under 05/06 picture, please do the same.

And please make the same corrections here:  http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8785.0

TIA   ::MonkeyCool::

Sorry about that, I should have proofed before I posted;!    :2redface:

I was more concerned with getting the pictures in the right place.   ::MonkeyHaHa::



Thanks for that posting, texasmom, I enjoyed reading it.

I was reading last week on deVries' website that his show starts broadcasting new episodes on October 31st, so we'll hopefully be seeing more about his visit to Peru with Beth and her face-to-face with Joran in just a few weeks now.

Speaking of Beth....

Has Tim Miller publicly apologized yet?  I haven't heard anything....



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: SuzieQ on October 11, 2010, 01:51:45 PM
Thanks Texasmom  Why is it most men get better looking as they get older? Why don't women? Something not right in that.

(http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff15/sueann37/Natalee/PD-1.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 11, 2010, 01:54:32 PM
Who Can We Trust?

Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Page 185:
  The island authorities originally planned to release the three suspects at two o-clock in the morning on Saturday, September 3.  The Strategic Communications Task Force undoubtedly helped them make a less conspicuous move and release them in the afternoon instead.  Curious to see the setup at the van der Sloot house for Joran's parade of victory, I drive by there, never in a million years expecting to see who is there.  It's the U.S. vice-consul.  At the van der Sloots' house.  Why is she here?   She spots me.  Jumps in her car and follows me to a resturant parking lot, waving, honking, calling on the cell phone.  I don't want to talk to her.  Who can we trust?


You Never Know

Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Page 189:   It's the proverbial, Biblical conflict between good and evil.  It's very, very hard to fight evil because it constantly changes form and you never know who your enemies are.  And evil is always two steps ahead.  From the outset we never had a chance.  But we didn't know it.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 11, 2010, 01:55:33 PM
Good Morning All.

I hope your day is good.

Janet
11:00 AM PT


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Anna on October 11, 2010, 02:14:41 PM
Wow!  Just wow!!!

All these photos of Peter R. deVries!  Be still my beating heart!  I must save all of them.

Didn't we used to have a thread for just him?  Or was that just me, lol.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 11, 2010, 02:34:13 PM
ANYBODY who trusts and/or upholds those within the corrupt Aruba investigation who has prevented justice from prevailing ... I consider his/her motives questionable.  In other words ... is justice for Natalee Holloway what it is about?

Janet

++++


Free Meals!  Free Motels!  Assistance with the Search!

WATT'S UP WITH THIS? STEPH WATTS & TIM MILLER 9/19/2010


Tim Miller: Anybody can say what they want about Aruba but you know what...they gave us free motel rooms, they gave us free meals, they did everything to accommodate us...to help us out when we was doing the search for Natalee.  And then uhhh I certainly would not support the boycott.

Transcript - Texasmom

Audio:
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/watts-up-with-this/2010/09/20/watts-up-with-this#endframe


Mistakes??

WATT'S UP WITH THIS? STEPH WATTS & TIM MILLER 9/19/2010

Steph Watts:  Tim, beyond what you just said...and people in the chat room are asking me, how could they interfere with an ongoing investigation.  Here’s how.  Beth went over there without even informing her attorney.  There’s Peruvian authorities working on this case, there’s Aruban authorities working on this case, and there’s American authorities working on this case.  People remember, he’s being charged with extortion in this country.  So, how does she interfere with an ongoing investigation?  She has no idea if they’re about to crack him, if they’re working some kind of a deal with Aruba.  If they’re working some kind of a deal...she has no idea because they don’t tell families everything.  So how does she interfere with an ongoing investigation?  She goes over there, confronts him, spooks him, scares him, gets him to tell them the story and now he doesn’t want to talk to you know the people he was talking to before.  He throws his hands up in the air and says all this is off...you guys sprung Beth on me.  That’s how she interferes with an ongoing investigation Tim Miller.  Agree or disagree?

Tim Miller:  I one hundred percent agree... I one hundred percent agree... I .. I think she should have...  Beth needs to understand, Beth is the mother, Beth is not the investigator.  I know for a fact the FBI is working this very, very hard right now, very methodical.  Uhhh they’re working very, very  close with the authorities in Aruba, they are all on the same page and ummm... were mistakes made in the very beginning?  Yes, they were, they were.. o.k. let’s face it.  But you know what everybody’s on the same page now and ummm they could have done absolutely nothing except damage all the work that’s gone into it now.

Transcript - Texasmom

Audio:
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/watts-up-with-this/2010/09/20/watts-up-with-this#endframe


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 11, 2010, 02:35:07 PM
In and out!!

 ::MonkeyBike::

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 11, 2010, 02:40:46 PM
Thanks Texasmom  Why is it most men get better looking as they get older? Why don't women? Something not right in that.

(http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff15/sueann37/Natalee/PD-1.jpg)

Suzie

You have a valid point.  A while back when my grey is starting to show ... I was reminded by grown daughter that it is time for that rinse but ... in almost the same breath she tells her father he looks distinguished.  Not Fair!!!

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 11, 2010, 06:01:47 PM
I saw two mistakes after I posted, would a kind mod please help...

Under 98/99 picture, please add an "I" for what should say "In"

Under 05/06 picture, please do the same.

And please make the same corrections here:  http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8785.0

TIA   ::MonkeyCool::

Sorry about that, I should have proofed before I posted;!    :2redface:

I was more concerned with getting the pictures in the right place.   ::MonkeyHaHa::



Thanks for that posting, texasmom, I enjoyed reading it.

I was reading last week on deVries' website that his show starts broadcasting new episodes on October 31st, so we'll hopefully be seeing more about his visit to Peru with Beth and her face-to-face with Joran in just a few weeks now.

Speaking of Beth....

Has Tim Miller publicly apologized yet?  I haven't heard anything....



You're welcome, Lifesong!

I'm anxiously awaiting Peter DeVries' new show.

As far as I know there has been no public apology from Tim Miller to Beth Holloway;  And the podcast was still available for others to listen to when I checked a few days ago.

 ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyMad::




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 11, 2010, 06:21:26 PM
Snipped from the July 2010 TES Newsletter

http://texasequusearch.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/2010JulyNewsletter.pdf

Final Thought: A little over five years ago, Natalie Holloway traveled to the island
of Aruba with several friends from her high school to celebrate their graduation. Near the
end of her visit, she mysteriously disappeared on May 30th 2005. Several men were
questioned regarding Natalee’s disappearance, but an investigation finally determined that
Natalee was last known to have been with a young man identified as Joran van der Sloot.
Natalee and Joran had met each other at a local casino. But there was no cooperation from
Joran van der Sloot. All he did was tell lies; continually changing his story. The
investigation into Natalee’s disappearance was greatly hampered because Joran’s father was
a judge and carried considerable influence on the island of Aruba. Joran was jailed during
the investigation, but amazingly released a short time later. He taunted investigators,
searchers and the media with false and misleading information. But worst of all; he yanked
at the delicate emotions of all Natalee’s distraught family. Millions of dollars and thousands
of hours of search time was dedicated to finding Natalee. Unfortunately, Natalee’s remains
have not been found yet. Joran traveled frequently over the last five years; never showing
any kind of remorse for causing Natalee’s death. Frequent video shots show him smiling
and acting care-free everywhere he went. Days, weeks, months and years went by without
any progress of finding justice for Natalee until a few months ago when Joran tried to
blackmail Beth Holloway out of $250,000 in exchange for information leading top Natalee’s
whereabouts. The F.B.I. had actually tried to set-up a sting for Joran, but he somehow
slipped away undetected.

On May 30th 2010, exactly five years to the day after Natalee mysteriously disappeared,
Joran became the prime, and only suspect in the vicious homicidal death of 21 year-old
Stephany Flores Ramirez at a hotel in Lima, Peru. They both had been attending a poker
tournament at a local casino. The evidence against Joran is blistering and overwhelming.
He gave a full confession on video, but several days later, he recanted on the confession
claiming “intimidation from Peruvian law authorities.” That’s strange because news videos
clearly show he was not intimidated, and that he kind of braggingly told of how he
committed the murder of Stephany. Joran might have been in prison long ago, and Natalee
might have been buried near her family in Alabama had the Aruban authorities tried as had
to solve Natalee’s case, as the Peruvian authorities did to solve Stephany Ramirez’s murder.
And Stephany would still be alive today. Joran can’t count on his father’s help anymore
because his father died suddenly several months ago. Peru has a judicial system that is
somewhat comparable to the courts in the United States, but they are still much harsher that
our system on a criminal’s punishment. The only thing Joran regrets today is getting caught.
His life in a Peruvian prison won’t be a walk through Neverland. He will be living among
hardened criminals serving time for other vicious crimes. Some are psychologically
demented. Rapist will have their way with him. As long as Joran is in a Peruvian prison,
every night is date night. He will lie awake at nights wondering which convict is going to be
the next to harm him and he surely won’t be liked there. Tim Miller recently spent two
weeks in Aruba looking for Natalee and trying to get more information that might lead
searchers to her.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 11, 2010, 06:36:08 PM
I saw two mistakes after I posted, would a kind mod please help...

Under 98/99 picture, please add an "I" for what should say "In"

Under 05/06 picture, please do the same.

And please make the same corrections here:  http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8785.0 (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8785.0)
TIA   ::MonkeyCool::

Sorry about that, I should have proofed before I posted;!    :2redface:

I was more concerned with getting the pictures in the right place.   ::MonkeyHaHa::

Done & will get the other link, too

Thanks 2NJ!   ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Magnolia on October 11, 2010, 07:45:09 PM
Snipped from the July 2010 TES Newsletter

http://texasequusearch.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/2010JulyNewsletter.pdf

Final Thought: A little over five years ago, Natalie Holloway traveled to the island
of Aruba with several friends from her high school to celebrate their graduation. Near the
end of her visit, she mysteriously disappeared on May 30th 2005. Several men were
questioned regarding Natalee’s disappearance, but an investigation finally determined that
Natalee was last known to have been with a young man identified as Joran van der Sloot.
Natalee and Joran had met each other at a local casino. But there was no cooperation from
Joran van der Sloot. All he did was tell lies; continually changing his story. The
investigation into Natalee’s disappearance was greatly hampered because Joran’s father was
a judge and carried considerable influence on the island of Aruba. Joran was jailed during
the investigation, but amazingly released a short time later. He taunted investigators,
searchers and the media with false and misleading information. But worst of all; he yanked
at the delicate emotions of all Natalee’s distraught family. Millions of dollars and thousands
of hours of search time was dedicated to finding Natalee. Unfortunately, Natalee’s remains
have not been found yet. Joran traveled frequently over the last five years; never showing
any kind of remorse for causing Natalee’s death. Frequent video shots show him smiling
and acting care-free everywhere he went. Days, weeks, months and years went by without
any progress of finding justice for Natalee until a few months ago when Joran tried to
blackmail Beth Holloway out of $250,000 in exchange for information leading top Natalee’s
whereabouts. The F.B.I. had actually tried to set-up a sting for Joran, but he somehow
slipped away undetected.

On May 30th 2010, exactly five years to the day after Natalee mysteriously disappeared,
Joran became the prime, and only suspect in the vicious homicidal death of 21 year-old
Stephany Flores Ramirez at a hotel in Lima, Peru. They both had been attending a poker
tournament at a local casino. The evidence against Joran is blistering and overwhelming.
He gave a full confession on video, but several days later, he recanted on the confession
claiming “intimidation from Peruvian law authorities.” That’s strange because news videos
clearly show he was not intimidated, and that he kind of braggingly told of how he
committed the murder of Stephany. Joran might have been in prison long ago, and Natalee
might have been buried near her family in Alabama had the Aruban authorities tried as had
to solve Natalee’s case, as the Peruvian authorities did to solve Stephany Ramirez’s murder.
And Stephany would still be alive today. Joran can’t count on his father’s help anymore
because his father died suddenly several months ago. Peru has a judicial system that is
somewhat comparable to the courts in the United States, but they are still much harsher that
our system on a criminal’s punishment. The only thing Joran regrets today is getting caught.
His life in a Peruvian prison won’t be a walk through Neverland. He will be living among
hardened criminals serving time for other vicious crimes. Some are psychologically
demented. Rapist will have their way with him. As long as Joran is in a Peruvian prison,
every night is date night. He will lie awake at nights wondering which convict is going to be
the next to harm him and he surely won’t be liked there. Tim Miller recently spent two
weeks in Aruba looking for Natalee and trying to get more information that might lead
searchers to her.



Maybe Tim was in Aruba for two weeks preparing for a search on the 140+ other targets.
He hasn't said much about those lately.  But he said that he already has the money set
aside for the search.  Maybe Steph Watts is going to help with that search. ::MonkeyRoll::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: billb's daughter on October 12, 2010, 01:41:22 AM
Peter R. de Vries.....
Time will tell...
promoting his ratings at the expense of Natalee and Beth?....
Or bringing Justice for Natalee Home.....
Last go around....have to conclude.....Still here...Natalee isn't home.......
Results are what matter...understand it may take time against evil....
Justice For Natalee...
Just around the corner.... ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: billb's daughter on October 12, 2010, 01:42:35 AM
billb, Keepthefaith and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.
 ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on October 12, 2010, 01:51:45 AM
I justed wanted to extend a thank you to Klaas for the email.I just felt like I was potentially becoming a distraction to the forum,and that is the last thing that I would want to do,or be perceived as.Klaas clarified that for me.Trust me when I say,Monkeys are never far from my mind,nor is Natalee Holloway.God Bless all of the Monkeys....Hey Billb,are the Chargers a hockey team in San Diego?I kid you!I'll have to go back and get caught up a bit on what is happening in regards to the findings on Aruba.

::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: billb's daughter on October 12, 2010, 02:02:30 AM
I justed wanted to extend a thank you to Klaas for the email.I just felt like I was potentially becoming a distraction to the forum,and that is the last thing that I would want to do,or be perceived as.Klaas clarified that for me.Trust me when I say,Monkeys are never far from my mind,nor is Natalee Holloway.God Bless all of the Monkeys....Hey Billb,are the Chargers a hockey team in San Diego?I kid you!I'll have to go back and get caught up a bit on what is happening in regards to the findings on Aruba.

::MonkeyAngel::
Keepthefaith..
Please turn around for a second so I can say...GREAT to see you're back!
chargers are a hockey puck...
Missed you big guy....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on October 12, 2010, 02:05:01 AM
I justed wanted to extend a thank you to Klaas for the email.I just felt like I was potentially becoming a distraction to the forum,and that is the last thing that I would want to do,or be perceived as.Klaas clarified that for me.Trust me when I say,Monkeys are never far from my mind,nor is Natalee Holloway.God Bless all of the Monkeys....Hey Billb,are the Chargers a hockey team in San Diego?I kid you!I'll have to go back and get caught up a bit on what is happening in regards to the findings on Aruba.

::MonkeyAngel::
Keepthefaith..
Please turn around for a second so I can say...GREAT to see you're back!
chargers are a hockey puck...
Missed you big guy....
It's always good to be here as long as you're not behind me me Billb. ::piggy::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on October 12, 2010, 02:06:50 AM
I'll start heading back from where I left off about a month ago!I did see on TV about Beth/Peter at the prison but never really got the whole story so i'll head back in the threads to get the whole story.I know the Monkeys will have the TRUE story! ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 12, 2010, 02:22:15 AM
Peter R. DeVries was a Crime Reporter and had reported on many murder cases before 2005, he doesn't just pick the easy cases to report on, but once he's interested in a case he doesn't give up.  If Natalee were my child, I would certainly welcome all the ratings that he has or will receive keeping my child's case in the spotlight.  I think Beth probably feels the same, after all she has called him a hero; and continues to work with him to this day.  When others have let the case go to the wayside (because of ratings?) when the Aruban authorities refused to charge those responsible no matter how obvious the answers were...Peter DeVries hasn't given up.  And his efforts were the first to show the world the real side of Joran van der Sloot, the side that had been so carefully hidden prior to the Range Rover recordings; The self centered psychopathic time bomb that went off again five years to the day of Natalee's disappearance. 

Peter R. DeVries doesn't have Natalee, Aruba does.  And I hope Peter R. DeVries will stay with the case and keep digging for more information, and continue to keep fresh in the minds of people all over the world, the injustice that Natalee and her family have suffered.

Nine trips to Aruba haven't brought her home either...just sayin'.

JMO


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 12, 2010, 02:33:32 AM
Snipped from the July 2010 TES Newsletter

http://texasequusearch.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/2010JulyNewsletter.pdf

Final Thought: A little over five years ago, Natalie Holloway traveled to the island
of Aruba with several friends from her high school to celebrate their graduation. Near the
end of her visit, she mysteriously disappeared on May 30th 2005. Several men were
questioned regarding Natalee’s disappearance, but an investigation finally determined that
Natalee was last known to have been with a young man identified as Joran van der Sloot.
Natalee and Joran had met each other at a local casino. But there was no cooperation from
Joran van der Sloot. All he did was tell lies; continually changing his story. The
investigation into Natalee’s disappearance was greatly hampered because Joran’s father was
a judge and carried considerable influence on the island of Aruba. Joran was jailed during
the investigation, but amazingly released a short time later. He taunted investigators,
searchers and the media with false and misleading information. But worst of all; he yanked
at the delicate emotions of all Natalee’s distraught family. Millions of dollars and thousands
of hours of search time was dedicated to finding Natalee. Unfortunately, Natalee’s remains
have not been found yet. Joran traveled frequently over the last five years; never showing
any kind of remorse for causing Natalee’s death. Frequent video shots show him smiling
and acting care-free everywhere he went. Days, weeks, months and years went by without
any progress of finding justice for Natalee until a few months ago when Joran tried to
blackmail Beth Holloway out of $250,000 in exchange for information leading top Natalee’s
whereabouts. The F.B.I. had actually tried to set-up a sting for Joran, but he somehow
slipped away undetected.

On May 30th 2010, exactly five years to the day after Natalee mysteriously disappeared,
Joran became the prime, and only suspect in the vicious homicidal death of 21 year-old
Stephany Flores Ramirez at a hotel in Lima, Peru. They both had been attending a poker
tournament at a local casino. The evidence against Joran is blistering and overwhelming.
He gave a full confession on video, but several days later, he recanted on the confession
claiming “intimidation from Peruvian law authorities.” That’s strange because news videos
clearly show he was not intimidated, and that he kind of braggingly told of how he
committed the murder of Stephany. Joran might have been in prison long ago, and Natalee
might have been buried near her family in Alabama had the Aruban authorities tried as had
to solve Natalee’s case, as the Peruvian authorities did to solve Stephany Ramirez’s murder.
And Stephany would still be alive today. Joran can’t count on his father’s help anymore
because his father died suddenly several months ago. Peru has a judicial system that is
somewhat comparable to the courts in the United States, but they are still much harsher that
our system on a criminal’s punishment. The only thing Joran regrets today is getting caught.
His life in a Peruvian prison won’t be a walk through Neverland. He will be living among
hardened criminals serving time for other vicious crimes. Some are psychologically
demented. Rapist will have their way with him. As long as Joran is in a Peruvian prison,
every night is date night. He will lie awake at nights wondering which convict is going to be
the next to harm him and he surely won’t be liked there. Tim Miller recently spent two
weeks in Aruba looking for Natalee and trying to get more information that might lead
searchers to her.



Maybe Tim was in Aruba for two weeks preparing for a search on the 140+ other targets.
He hasn't said much about those lately.  But he said that he already has the money set
aside for the search.  Maybe Steph Watts is going to help with that search. ::MonkeyRoll::

Well I do recall someone said...not sure if it was Tim Miller or Steph Watts now...that Tim Miller wasn't allowed to search a single area when he was there for that two weeks.  So just where and how was he looking for Natalee?  And who at this point is going to give him any information about other places to search.  I thought that was the investigators job, not the searcher's.  And I can't help but wonder why he couldn't get permission to search, and apparently didn't make arrangements to have the permission to search before he planned a two week stay there.

 ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: billb's daughter on October 12, 2010, 02:42:14 AM
Tim Miller...running out of credibility....Hope Dave gets it....Beth has...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: billb's daughter on October 12, 2010, 02:44:19 AM
Good Night Good Monkeys.....
Justice for Natalee is just around the corner.... ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on October 12, 2010, 02:46:41 AM
Good Night Good Monkeys.....
Justice for Natalee is just around the corner.... ::MonkeyAngel::
Goodnight BillB!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 12, 2010, 03:13:38 AM
Thanks Texasmom  Why is it most men get better looking as they get older? Why don't women? Something not right in that.

(http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff15/sueann37/Natalee/PD-1.jpg)

You're welcome! 

So true, SuzieQ. 

And I love that picture!   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 12, 2010, 03:14:54 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Beth_Natalee_June20102.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/StephanyandherfatherRicardoFlores.jpg)

JUSTICE FOR NATALEE
AND STEPHANY!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on October 12, 2010, 03:17:34 AM
I was just reading some of the interview with Step&Tim.I better go to bed and follow up in the morning after i've had a couple cups of coffee!Lord have Mercy.... ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on October 12, 2010, 03:18:35 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Beth_Natalee_June20102.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/StephanyandherfatherRicardoFlores.jpg)

JUSTICE FOR NATALEE
AND STEPHANY!


::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on October 12, 2010, 03:19:34 AM
JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY & STEPHANY FLORES

GOODNIGHT & GOD BLESS

KEEPTHEFAITH


 ::MonkeyAngel::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: can on October 12, 2010, 05:08:16 AM
Peter R. DeVries was a Crime Reporter and had reported on many murder cases before 2005, he doesn't just pick the easy cases to report on, but once he's interested in a case he doesn't give up.  If Natalee were my child, I would certainly welcome all the ratings that he has or will receive keeping my child's case in the spotlight.  I think Beth probably feels the same, after all she has called him a hero; and continues to work with him to this day.  When others have let the case go to the wayside (because of ratings?) when the Aruban authorities refused to charge those responsible no matter how obvious the answers were...Peter DeVries hasn't given up.  And his efforts were the first to show the world the real side of Joran van der Sloot, the side that had been so carefully hidden prior to the Range Rover recordings; The self centered psychopathic time bomb that went off again five years to the day of Natalee's disappearance. 

Peter R. DeVries doesn't have Natalee, Aruba does.  And I hope Peter R. DeVries will stay with the case and keep digging for more information, and continue to keep fresh in the minds of people all over the world, the injustice that Natalee and her family have suffered.

Nine trips to Aruba haven't brought her home either...just sayin'.

JMO


texasmom - logged in to say how much I agree with your words. 

I'm glad Beth has Peter standing with her. 
Your words, "if Natalee were my child"  are simple, yet profound. 

If Natalee were my child...says it all for me!

Thank you texasmom!   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 12, 2010, 07:25:54 AM
Peter R. DeVries was a Crime Reporter and had reported on many murder cases before 2005, he doesn't just pick the easy cases to report on, but once he's interested in a case he doesn't give up.  If Natalee were my child, I would certainly welcome all the ratings that he has or will receive keeping my child's case in the spotlight.  I think Beth probably feels the same, after all she has called him a hero; and continues to work with him to this day.  When others have let the case go to the wayside (because of ratings?) when the Aruban authorities refused to charge those responsible no matter how obvious the answers were...Peter DeVries hasn't given up.  And his efforts were the first to show the world the real side of Joran van der Sloot, the side that had been so carefully hidden prior to the Range Rover recordings; The self centered psychopathic time bomb that went off again five years to the day of Natalee's disappearance. 

Peter R. DeVries doesn't have Natalee, Aruba does.  And I hope Peter R. DeVries will stay with the case and keep digging for more information, and continue to keep fresh in the minds of people all over the world, the injustice that Natalee and her family have suffered.

Nine trips to Aruba haven't brought her home either...just sayin'.

JMO


texasmom - logged in to say how much I agree with your words. 

I'm glad Beth has Peter standing with her. 
Your words, "if Natalee were my child"  are simple, yet profound. 

If Natalee were my child...says it all for me!

Thank you texasmom!   ::MonkeyAngel::


Thank you can!   ::MonkeyKiss::

And, "I'm glad Beth has Peter standing with her", too.    ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 12, 2010, 12:31:49 PM

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/defentect-group-inc-technology-featured-on-cbs-news-new-york-2010-10-12?reflink=MW_news_stmp

Oct. 12, 2010, 8:00 a.m. EDT · Recommend · Post:   

Defentect Group, Inc. Technology Featured on CBS News New York

NORWALK, Conn., Oct 12, 2010 /PRNewswire via COMTEX/ -- Defentect Group, Inc. /quotes/comstock/11k!dftc (DFTC 0.13, +0.01, +4.17%) , a developer and provider of immediate intelligent messaging applications and services, today announced that the Company's technology was featured by its partner MayDay360 on CBS News New York Channel 2 on Saturday October 9 at 9:15AM. Defentect recently announced an agreement with MayDay360, under which Defentect's proprietary DM3(TM) response technology is being marketed and sold by MayDay360 to the multi-billion dollar travel and tourism industry. MayDay360 was founded by security and travel experts as well as Beth Holloway, mother to Natalee Holloway who went missing in Aruba in 2005.

"MayDay360 has launched a national media campaign to promote the importance of being prepared for an emergency while traveling, and we are proud to be a part of it," commented Jeff Knapp, President and COO of Defentect. "Although our technology is designed for high security applications, it also has the capability to help millions of average people. We are pleased that the team at MayDay360 has recognized this and is getting the word out to consumers that there are many ways to take their safety into their own hands while traveling."

To view the full news segment, CLICK HERE.

About Defentect Group, Inc.

Defentect Group, Inc. develops and delivers intelligent messaging software solutions to facilitate the response to the detection of a threat. Defentect's proprietary technology immediately notifies key personnel and first responders so that appropriate action can be taken when a threat event occurs. The software platform is easily integrated with a wide variety of sensors and smartphones, making it attractive to many potential partners and manufacturers. For more information, visit www.defentect.com and www.defencall.com.

About MayDay360, LLC

MayDay360, LLC is a new venture, combining the services of Investigative Management Group (IMG), which is a leader in the high-end investigative security business. The Company was formed in conjunction with Beth Holloway to develop solutions that will empower the families of those who encounter trouble while out of the country. MayDay360 is committed to accelerating the process of emergency response protocols overseas, which often takes up critical time in the early stages of a missing person situation. For more information about IMG, visit www.investigativemanagement.com. MayDay360's website is www.mayday360.com.

SAFE HARBOR STATEMENT: This press release may contain "forward-looking statements" that are made pursuant to the "safe harbor" provisions as defined within the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Forward-looking statements may be identified by words including "anticipates," "believes," "intends," "estimates," and similar expressions. These statements are based upon management's current expectations as of the date of this press release. Such forward-looking statements may include statements regarding the Company's future financial performance or results of operations, including expected revenue growth, cash flow growth, future expenses and other future or expected performances. The Company cautions readers there may be events in the future that the Company is not able to predict accurately or control and the information contained in the forward-looking statements is inherently uncertain and subject to a number of risks that could cause actual results to differ materially from those indicated in the forward-looking statements. Further information on these and other potential factors that could affect the Company's financial results is included in the Company's filings with the SEC under the "Risk Factors" sections and elsewhere in those filings.

SOURCE Defentect Group, Inc.

Copyright (C) 2010 PR Newswire. All rights reserved


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 12, 2010, 02:55:57 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_79509.php

Google translation:

DVD promoting cruise tourism in Aruba

October 12, 2010, 14:00 (GMT -04:00)

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ORANGE CITY - The Ministry of Tourism has found a new way to cruise tourists to persuade another for a longer stay to return to Aruba.

As of Friday, October 22 prominent family that everyone gets from a cruise ship calling at Aruba, a DVD issued. It says a film with the main attractions of the island.

For the October 22 date was chosen because on that day the ship Carnival Miracle in the Aruban port arrives. It has been three years since the last ship of the cruise line Aruba. Minister Otmar Oduber (ASF) calls it "a great day." During a press conference yesterday, he stressed that his ministry hard to have drawn to the American group to decide to resume visits to Aruba. Carnival Miracle arrives on Friday, October 22 with over 2100 passengers. Until February 2011 the ship is seventeen times in Aruba.

Port Director Alfonso Boekhoudt, who yesterday also at the press conference, predicts a good cruise season. He says that to reduce the number of bookings on cruise ships are calling at Aruba. Cruise Tourists usually book well in advance, said Boekhoudt. Assuming the annual average, there will be this season about 550,000 to 600,000 tourists on Aruba ship reached. Indeed, the central bank this month that the number of cruise tourists in July halved compared to the number in the same month last year.

The new DVD should not only persuade cruise tourists to a repeat visit. He should also order the Ministry of Tourism to provide contact details of these tourists. This is effected by means of a contest. Cruise Tourists who join them can win a paid vacation to Aruba. To be eligible, they must have their contact details to pass. Very useful, finds Oduber, because it addresses the Ministry can use in promotional e-mail campaigns.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on October 12, 2010, 03:20:44 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_79509.php

Google translation:

DVD promoting cruise tourism in Aruba

October 12, 2010, 14:00 (GMT -04:00)

Email this article 
Print this article 

ORANGE CITY - The Ministry of Tourism has found a new way to cruise tourists to persuade another for a longer stay to return to Aruba.

As of Friday, October 22 prominent family that everyone gets from a cruise ship calling at Aruba, a DVD issued. It says a film with the main attractions of the island.

For the October 22 date was chosen because on that day the ship Carnival Miracle in the Aruban port arrives. It has been three years since the last ship of the cruise line Aruba. Minister Otmar Oduber (ASF) calls it "a great day." During a press conference yesterday, he stressed that his ministry hard to have drawn to the American group to decide to resume visits to Aruba. Carnival Miracle arrives on Friday, October 22 with over 2100 passengers. Until February 2011 the ship is seventeen times in Aruba.

Port Director Alfonso Boekhoudt, who yesterday also at the press conference, predicts a good cruise season. He says that to reduce the number of bookings on cruise ships are calling at Aruba. Cruise Tourists usually book well in advance, said Boekhoudt. Assuming the annual average, there will be this season about 550,000 to 600,000 tourists on Aruba ship reached. Indeed, the central bank this month that the number of cruise tourists in July halved compared to the number in the same month last year.

The new DVD should not only persuade cruise tourists to a repeat visit. He should also order the Ministry of Tourism to provide contact details of these tourists. This is effected by means of a contest. Cruise Tourists who join them can win a paid vacation to Aruba. To be eligible, they must have their contact details to pass. Very useful, finds Oduber, because it addresses the Ministry can use in promotional e-mail campaigns.


Ah, another piece of his new Aruba branding I was reading about.   ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on October 12, 2010, 06:03:23 PM
I was just reading some of the interview with Step&Tim.I better go to bed and follow up in the morning after i've had a couple cups of coffee!Lord have Mercy.... ::MonkeyAngel::

Nice to see you, KTF!!   ::HelloKitty::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on October 12, 2010, 06:27:40 PM
I was just reading some of the interview with Step&Tim.I better go to bed and follow up in the morning after i've had a couple cups of coffee!Lord have Mercy.... ::MonkeyAngel::

Nice to see you, KTF!!   ::HelloKitty::

WoW.I've been up since 7am and have drank a pot and a half of coffee going through the past three threads and have 1 more to go to be fully caught up.Nice to see ya CBB.Hope all is well?Heading back into the previous thread to become fully caught up! ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: klaasend on October 12, 2010, 09:06:35 PM
I was just reading some of the interview with Step&Tim.I better go to bed and follow up in the morning after i've had a couple cups of coffee!Lord have Mercy.... ::MonkeyAngel::

Nice to see you, KTF!!   ::HelloKitty::

WoW.I've been up since 7am and have drank a pot and a half of coffee going through the past three threads and have 1 more to go to be fully caught up.Nice to see ya CBB.Hope all is well?Heading back into the previous thread to become fully caught up! ::MonkeyCool::

Hi KTF!  Good to see you!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 12, 2010, 10:21:53 PM
TRUST

Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Pages 100:
I rise and make my way up the hillside to the next cross and the next one and the next, repeating my prayers.

I am looking to the sky, which is growing bluer as dawn breaks, and talking to God.  And as I reach the fifth cross, the answer to these prayers comes.  Complete peace blankets me, and I am still.  It's a familiar feeling, yet unknown to me like this before now.  It comes in total stillness.  Silence. And in this instant I know that Natalee is with God.

I understand that from the moment she got into Deepak Kalpoe's car her heavenly Father wrapped His loving arms around her and cared for her through whatever ordeal she encountered that night.  I don't know if she is alive or not, but I know that He is with her.

He entrusted me with her care for eighteen years.  Now I must trust Him to care for her.  So I never ask Him why.  Why Natalee?  Why me?  I don't ask.  To do that undermines faith.  Instead, I form an "acceptance trust" with Him there on the windy hillside.  God never questioned me when she was in my care.  I must not question Him.  I realize that He is as proud of her as I am.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on October 12, 2010, 10:25:59 PM
I was just reading some of the interview with Step&Tim.I better go to bed and follow up in the morning after i've had a couple cups of coffee!Lord have Mercy.... ::MonkeyAngel::

Nice to see you, KTF!!   ::HelloKitty::

WoW.I've been up since 7am and have drank a pot and a half of coffee going through the past three threads and have 1 more to go to be fully caught up.Nice to see ya CBB.Hope all is well?Heading back into the previous thread to become fully caught up! ::MonkeyCool::

Hi KTF!  Good to see you!
Good Evening Klaas.I see Congrats are in order! ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on October 12, 2010, 10:27:05 PM
O/T.Hope everyone has the Chilean miners in their prayers as the rescue has just started!

::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on October 12, 2010, 10:57:16 PM
OT

KTF,

It occurred to me earlier that you had not kept up on this case while on sabbatical by choice.  I just want you to know that as long as I have been a member and remember, which is close to the very beginning, members are able to read while not logged in.  Some, who have been banned, may have that privilege revoked by an administrator, if I am not mistaken.  This may have not been the case early on, but has existed with the forum setup for several years.

This explains many of the guests we see reading at various times.  If this has changed due to recent upgrades, I have not been informed or experienced it.





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on October 12, 2010, 11:06:20 PM
OT

KTF,

It occurred to me earlier that you had not kept up on this case while on sabbatical by choice.  I just want you to know that as long as I have been a member and remember, which is close to the very beginning, members are able to read while not logged in.  Some, who have been banned, may have that privilege revoked by an administrator, if I am not mistaken.  This may have not been the case early on, but has existed with the forum setup for several years.

This explains many of the guests we see reading at various times.  If this has changed due to recent upgrades, I have not been informed or experienced it.




Oh yeah 2nj.I understand completely!Just stepped away as I didn't want to be perceived as a distraction,and or a troll!As everyone knows I've got my opinions,as well as I know others do to,which makes the Monkey bunch so wonderful.It was actually very intersting going back and reading after much has transpired,without being able to comment,which is probably a good thing in my case! ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 12, 2010, 11:07:35 PM


Hubby just yelled from the living room that first miner coming up!!

 ::MonkeyCheer4::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: cecilita on October 13, 2010, 12:20:27 AM
O/T.Hope everyone has the Chilean miners in their prayers as the rescue has just started!

::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::

::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on October 13, 2010, 12:31:33 AM
As a wise Frog once said,"Follow the money".In following that motto,sometimes patient is needed for transactions to take place,people to make mistakes,and as time passes,miscreants & traitors WILL become complacent.I kind of equate it to Geology.TIME AND PRESSURE.Andy Dufresne,a friend of mine,knew a lot about Geology,and understood patience! ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on October 13, 2010, 12:55:11 AM
As a wise Frog once said,"Follow the money".In following that motto,sometimes patient is needed for transactions to take place,people to make mistakes,and as time passes,miscreants & traitors WILL become complacent.I kind of equate it to Geology.TIME AND PRESSURE.Andy Dufresne,a friend of mine,knew a lot about Geology,and understood patience! ::MonkeyCool::

Shawshank Redemption.....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on October 13, 2010, 12:57:14 AM
As a wise Frog once said,"Follow the money".In following that motto,sometimes patient is needed for transactions to take place,people to make mistakes,and as time passes,miscreants & traitors WILL become complacent.I kind of equate it to Geology.TIME AND PRESSURE.Andy Dufresne,a friend of mine,knew a lot about Geology,and understood patience! ::MonkeyCool::

Shawshank Redemption.....

Great movie.Andy was one crafty character,even in the face of adversity! ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 13, 2010, 01:17:13 AM
https://www.emerson.edu/sites/default/files/ExpressionSpring2010.pdf

Page 9

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Valentijn van der Sloot ’12, a Visual and Media Arts concentrator with a minor in Marketing, is also in the Honors Program. Van der Sloot is also assistant head photographer of the Emerson-based em magazine and an active member of Frames Per Second. “I strive to achieve the well-rounded education I came to Emerson for while gaining the real-life experience to build a career in film/media production.  I have applied to the Prague Summer Film Program for 2010 and also hope to attend the Los Angeles Program my senior year to further my interests in both photography and film.”

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http://valentijn.smugmug.com/Travel/Paris/12937874_ybChG#935738967_SWxuw

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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 13, 2010, 01:23:29 AM
Aruba International Film Festival June 4-11, 2010

http://www.arubafilmfest.com/Staff.asp

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http://valentijn.smugmug.com/Events/Aruba-International-Film/12937894_CDnSh/1/937238781_gqrKb#937229326_QZWuM

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http://valentijn.smugmug.com/Events/Aruba-International-Film/12937894_CDnSh/1/937238781_gqrKb#937231906_sQCWH

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http://valentijn.smugmug.com/Events/Aruba-International-Film/12937894_CDnSh/1/937238781_gqrKb#937232586_ELYcH

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http://valentijn.smugmug.com/Events/Aruba-International-Film/12937894_CDnSh/1/937238781_gqrKb#937232620_4fQFE

http://valentijn.smugmug.com/Events/Aruba-International-Film/12937894_CDnSh/1/937238781_gqrKb#937232684_Sz3GM

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Van%20der%20Sloot/2010%20Aruba%20International%20Film%20Festival/AIFF5June2010.jpg) (http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Van%20der%20Sloot/2010%20Aruba%20International%20Film%20Festival/AIFF6June2010.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on October 13, 2010, 01:37:00 AM
I think someone needs to enlighten Richard a bit,No?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 13, 2010, 02:25:18 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Beth_Natalee_June20102.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/StephanyandherfatherRicardoFlores.jpg)

JUSTICE FOR NATALEE
AND STEPHANY!



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: MuffyBee on October 13, 2010, 08:25:11 AM
Welcome back KTF.  "Tick Tock"  (http://bestsmileys.com/clocks/3.gif)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on October 13, 2010, 11:22:14 AM
Welcome back KTF.  "Tick Tock"  (http://bestsmileys.com/clocks/3.gif)

Good Morning Muffy.The clock never stops! ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 13, 2010, 03:17:31 PM
Glenda/Julia Renfro posted that the skeleton recently discovered in the Arashi Beach area was animal.  Was there any official statement from Aruba regarding the type of animal.

Janet

+++++++


http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=4809&offId=0

(http://www.awe24.com/_moblog_items/4809/6_1286496301.jpg)

zoomed in for this one:

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%2024%20102010/10072010_Awe24_skeleton1.jpg)

Texasmom


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Kermit on October 13, 2010, 03:44:48 PM
(http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/5990/altovistachurchandaruba.jpg)

(http://img715.imageshack.us/img715/4794/altovistaterrain.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 13, 2010, 04:47:19 PM
Ribbit!

Kermit ... could the lighthouse/Arashi Beach have been the location where "something bad happened".

Thoughts?

Janet


++++++

The June 10th Confession

ORANJESTAD, Aruba, June 12, 2005
Aruba Case Appears Stalled


Holloway's family rushed late Friday to an old stone lighthouse beside Arisha beach after Deputy Police Commissioner Gerold Dompig told The Associated Press that one of three young men in custody admitted that "something bad happened" to Holloway and was leading police to the scene of the alleged crime.
 
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/06/10/national/main700829.shtml



Originally Deepak, Satish and Joran were one in their official statements that Natalee was taken to the lighthouse beside Arashi beach.  Then ... at some point in time ... Joran backtracked.  Apparently ... according to Joran ... the drive to the lighthouse beside Arashi did not happen.

Was the events encompassing the Marriot Beach all a fabrication ... a fabrication to take the focus of attention off of the Arashi Beach?

++++++

Connect the Dots?

Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words

Kyle Kingman:
  While we were searching shortly before Christmas, we were contacted by an Aruban detective who was involved in the Holloway case. He claimed that his brother had a vision about Natalee’s body offshore and had coordinates. He and his brother agreed to meet on the Persistence. The detective's brother gave what he thought were coordinates, but turned out to be a line of latitude. This latitude aligned with Arashi beach and came within a half mile of the fish trap.

Kyle Kingman:  My opinion on Simian is that he is a detective/cop involved in the case since the beginning. My understanding is that there is only one of the originals remaining. He came to us during the search along with his brother who had a "vision" on where Natalee was disposed. The vision was cryptic and actually contained a latitude which from what he claimed could have been anywhere in the world. The brother thought they were coordinates, but it was just a latitude. Oddly, the latitude was within a half mile from where we found the trap and centered on Arashi beach. Basically, if you stood on land and pointed straight to the trap and were right on the money... this is what the difference amounts to. Based on this latitude we payed a little more attention to the northern portions of the search grid near that Latitude. The trap was found shortly after, within the original search area, but very close to the provided latitude. I would have found the trap without the latitude, but it was very strange


Deepak Kalpoe - Suspect Statement - June 11, 2005

I had been driving on, in the direction of Arashi. When I arrived at Arashi I stopped the car on the asphalted section. I got out because I had to take a pee. Then I got back in again and we drove in the direction of the “Lighthouse”. Arriving at the "Lighthouse" I drove into the road and drove past the front of the restaurant. When we drove past the front I said, here we are this is the “Lighthouse”. Nobody answered me. At some point I looked into the rear view mirror and saw that Joran and the girl were French kissing. I had not seen that Joran had his hand up the girls skirt. I only saw him kissing. I looked at my brother Satish. He said keep on driving. After that I continued in the direction from which we just came. I saw a little farther up at about where the Lighthouse was a green jeep and a four door, white car. After that I drove down the road towards Arashi.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=170.0




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 13, 2010, 05:52:47 PM
(http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/5990/altovistachurchandaruba.jpg)

(http://img715.imageshack.us/img715/4794/altovistaterrain.jpg)


Ribbit!

Was Joran van der Sloot attempting to distract attention away from the lighthouse/Arashi Beach with his changing stories?

Janet

++++++

The Lighthouse

Joran van der Sloot - Suspect Statement - June 9, 2005

To your question why I got the idea to drive to the Lighthouse, I answer you that I did this because Natalee commented that she wanted to go see sharks.

I told Deepak to drive to the Lighthouse because Natalee had said to me that she wanted to see sharks. I had told Natalee that there were no sharks but she insisted that she had seen sharks already. At no point had Natalee said to me that she wanted to go to the North Coast. With Deepak's car one cannot drive to the North Coast because his car is too low. ....
 
We drove up to the lighthouse and then we took the same road down again towards the Holiday Inn. While we were driving in the direction/towards the hotel, she dozed off several times/fell half asleep several times and we didn't kiss anymore.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=160.0


Changing Story - Joran's Residence - Marriot Beach

Transcript: Joran van der Sloot Goes 'On the Record,' Part 1
Wednesday, March 01, 2006


VAN SUSTEREN: So you leave Carlos 'nCharlie's and your intention was to head to your house. Did you actually head to your house?

VAN DER SLOOT: Yes, we did. We actually did end up heading to my house because that's what she was — that's what she wanted to, so I was fine with it. And then during the car ride she was — she had her hand on my — on my leg and I had my hand on her leg and we were both in the back. We were kissing each other and so I took (INAUDIBLE) in a — in a positive not in a bad way.

VAN SUSTEREN: Did you ever actually make it to your house?

VAN DER SLOOT: Yes, we did. We actually did stop in front of my house. We got to my house and then, yes then I — then she said she wanted to go see sharks.

VAN SUSTEREN: Why sharks?

VAN DER SLOOT: I have no idea why she wanted to go see sharks and so I was laughing and telling her there's no sharks.

VAN SUSTEREN: All right, so you drive from your house and where is your next, where is the next point you stop the car?

VAN DER SLOOT: The next point we stopped the car was at the beach where we ended up going to. We were driving. The point was to drive to her hotel then but we drove — we drove right by that and she said, yes, because she didn't want to go to her hotel. She wanted to go see sharks. ....

VAN SUSTEREN: About how long did it take from the point of your house to drive to the beach?

VAN DER SLOOT: That probably takes around five minutes.

VAN SUSTEREN: Did you drive past her hotel at that point or just drive right to the beach?

VAN DER SLOOT: No, we drove past her — past her hotel and then took the road right next to her hotel.

VAN SUSTEREN: And so when you go to the beach you then move down to the Marriott is that right? You went farther north of the Marriott?

VAN DER SLOOT: Yes, the Marriott is right next to it.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,186581,00.html


Changing Story - No Lighthouse

Transcript: Joran van der Sloot Goes 'On the Record,' Part 2
Friday, March 03, 2006


VAN DER SLOOT: ... And they're saying also that we went to the lighthouse when we never even went to the lighthouse.

And, even statements from the security guard that was at the lighthouse said a car never went to the lighthouse at all. I mean that's, you know, that's mind — for me that's mind boggling.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,186707,00.html


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 13, 2010, 06:04:55 PM
Ribbit!

Kermit ... could the lighthouse/Arashi Beach have been the location where "something bad" happened.

Thoughts?

Janet

++++++

<snipped>



.... or could the "something bad" have happened at the van der Sloot residence and ... Natalee was taken to the lighthouse/Arashi Beach ... not the Marriot Beach?

Janet

++++++


Deepak Kalpoe - Suspect Statement - June 13, 2005

After that the family wanted us to go with the police to show them the route we drove. Joran's father refused. I also said no. After that the police officers said it was nonsense to drive out to the light house at that moment in time. The family then asked if we could go to the Holiday Inn to point out the security guard that worked there to the police.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=182.0


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 13, 2010, 06:12:45 PM
Tamikosmom and 10 Guests are viewing this topic.

It is said the first signs of madness is talking to yourself.  Thank goodness for guests.

  ::HelloKitty::

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 13, 2010, 06:38:12 PM
http://www.24ora.com/policial-mainmenu-8/22970-curpa-di-turista-sin-bida-haya-ta-drief-un-miya-pazuid-di-aruba.html

Papiamentu translation:

curpa by tourist without life attain is drief one mile pazuid by aruba

wednesday, 13 october 2010 09:31

in oranan by diaranson morning, personal by the boat by placer, dorothy, owing to see algo parecido at one curpa is drief in lama more or less one mile for by costa. at once owing to beat alarma at instancianan concerni before come haci investigacion. read more for her informe oficial by cuerpo policial... is deal here by one tourist cu by one manner or another attain problem y will owing to hoga. here is follow the informe oficial by part by police encuanto by the susedido. for by cuerpo policial owing to come into the next informe before thing is deal the caso by hogamento by today morning. in oranan by diaranson morning, kustwacht owing to wordo poni at altitude cu the yacht “dorothy” will have to owing to señala one curpa without life, more or less 2 milla pazuid by manchebo. kustwacht is bay at the sitio y is encontra the curpa by one man without life. they're transporte before platform at apa where cu police maritimo is acudi at the sitio y via centrale post is notifica the autoridadnan competente. before more or less 09:15 dr. van der linden is constata dead, mediante hogamento by paul william kelly, nasi at u.s.a. day 27 by feburary 1948 y cu was kedando cu her casa in one camber at divi hotel. personal by slachtoffer hulp owing to present at the sitio before give sosten at the lady cu was devasta. according declaracion by the lady the victima was bad y if y pendiente one operacion big hour the go back bek her country. according the lady past owing to bay sleep at night allow her casa near by dje y hour past owing to arouse morning the victima not was in bedroom more. is send words by condolencia at famianan by the fayecido. come across


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: klaasend on October 13, 2010, 07:10:45 PM
NOTICE:  THE SITE WILL BE DOWN TONIGHT FOR SERVER MAINTENANCE FOR ABOUT AN HOUR OR SO. DOWNTIME WILL BE...
 ::MonkeyCool::

6PM - 7PM PST
8PM - 9PM CENTRAL
9PM - 10PM ET


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: klaasend on October 13, 2010, 07:11:21 PM
http://www.24ora.com/policial-mainmenu-8/22970-curpa-di-turista-sin-bida-haya-ta-drief-un-miya-pazuid-di-aruba.html

Papiamentu translation:

curpa by tourist without life attain is drief one mile pazuid by aruba

wednesday, 13 october 2010 09:31

in oranan by diaranson morning, personal by the boat by placer, dorothy, owing to see algo parecido at one curpa is drief in lama more or less one mile for by costa. at once owing to beat alarma at instancianan concerni before come haci investigacion. read more for her informe oficial by cuerpo policial... is deal here by one tourist cu by one manner or another attain problem y will owing to hoga. here is follow the informe oficial by part by police encuanto by the susedido. for by cuerpo policial owing to come into the next informe before thing is deal the caso by hogamento by today morning. in oranan by diaranson morning, kustwacht owing to wordo poni at altitude cu the yacht “dorothy” will have to owing to señala one curpa without life, more or less 2 milla pazuid by manchebo. kustwacht is bay at the sitio y is encontra the curpa by one man without life. they're transporte before platform at apa where cu police maritimo is acudi at the sitio y via centrale post is notifica the autoridadnan competente. before more or less 09:15 dr. van der linden is constata dead, mediante hogamento by paul william kelly, nasi at u.s.a. day 27 by feburary 1948 y cu was kedando cu her casa in one camber at divi hotel. personal by slachtoffer hulp owing to present at the sitio before give sosten at the lady cu was devasta. according declaracion by the lady the victima was bad y if y pendiente one operacion big hour the go back bek her country. according the lady past owing to bay sleep at night allow her casa near by dje y hour past owing to arouse morning the victima not was in bedroom more. is send words by condolencia at famianan by the fayecido. come across

Geez, not another  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 13, 2010, 08:24:30 PM
Thanks for the heads-up on the downtime Klaas!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Magnolia on October 13, 2010, 08:31:38 PM
Thanks for the heads-up on the downtime Klaas!   ::MonkeyCool::

Check Anthony H.'s facebook.  You can screen capture and I can't.
He has been burgled


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 13, 2010, 08:49:42 PM
Thanks for the heads-up on the downtime Klaas!   ::MonkeyCool::

Check Anthony H.'s facebook.  You can screen capture and I can't.
He has been burgled

 ::HelloKitty::

Not sure if this will work, don't have time for photobucket!  ::MonkeyHaHa::
If they're too big, I'll save to photobucket and post again after the downtime!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 13, 2010, 08:57:26 PM
Anthony,

Don't ever leave your daughter at home alone.  It's just not safe there.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Magnolia on October 13, 2010, 08:59:57 PM
Anthony,

Don't ever leave your daughter at home alone.  It's just not safe there.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::




Thanks, TM ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 13, 2010, 09:08:51 PM
Anthony,

Don't ever leave your daughter at home alone.  It's just not safe there.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::




Thanks, TM ::MonkeyKiss::

You're welcome Magnolia!   ::MonkeyAngel::

Thanks for letting us know.   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 14, 2010, 03:17:57 AM
 ::MonkeySkate::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: SuzieQ on October 14, 2010, 03:18:41 AM
This is why we cannot allow Peru to send Joran to the Netherlands to serve his time. What happens when he comes to the states to be tried for defrauding Beth. Do we have an agreement with them that we have to send him over there?

http://www.expatica.com/nl/news/dutch-news/dutch-authorities-free-iraqi-born-insurgent_102879.html

Dutch authorities free Iraqi-born insurgent
A man sentenced by a US court to 25 years in jail for conspiring to kill Americans in Iraq was freed Wednesday after Dutch judges slashed his jail term citing poor US prison conditions.

The district court in the port city of Rotterdam said it converted the sentence of Wesam al-Delaema, an Iraqi-born Dutch citizen, to eight years.

This was closer to the applicable penalty for the same crime under Dutch law, prosecution spokesman Wim de Bruin said.

Delaema, 37, had already been in prison for more than two-thirds of the new sentence and thus "he was released" under Dutch parole regulations, he said.

He had been sentenced by a Washington court in April 2009 for making videos on how to construct roadside bombs to kill US soldiers in Fallujah.

He was the first Iraq war insurgent to be prosecuted in a US court.

Delaema was arrested in the Netherlands on his return from Iraq in 2005 and extradited to the United States two years later.

After sentencing, Delaema was sent back to the Netherlands, under a bilateral agreement, to serve his sentence there.

"A sentence of eight years was imposed," said a statement from the Dutch court that added that Delaema had already served 5.5 years behind bars, mostly in the United States.

Judges took into account as a mitigating factor the "bad conditions" of his detention in the United States that "deviate negatively from the detention situation in comparable cases in the Netherlands," said the statement.

The sentence conversion process happens automatically if a Dutch citizen convicted of a crime abroad is sent to the Netherlands to serve out the sentence, the prosecutor said.

"It is the end of a nightmare," Delaema's lawyer Victor Koppe told AFP on Wednesday. "He should never have been extradited to the US. This was a purely Dutch criminal case."

In a separate case, Delaema had also been sentenced to 18 months' detention for kicking a US prison guard until he lost consciousness in 2007.





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: SuzieQ on October 14, 2010, 03:21:55 AM
Wow, i didn't mean to stay up this late. LOL


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 14, 2010, 03:22:41 AM
This is why we cannot allow Peru to send Joran to the Netherlands to serve his time. What happens when he comes to the states to be tried for defrauding Beth. Do we have an agreement with them that we have to send him over there?

http://www.expatica.com/nl/news/dutch-news/dutch-authorities-free-iraqi-born-insurgent_102879.html

Dutch authorities free Iraqi-born insurgent
A man sentenced by a US court to 25 years in jail for conspiring to kill Americans in Iraq was freed Wednesday after Dutch judges slashed his jail term citing poor US prison conditions.

The district court in the port city of Rotterdam said it converted the sentence of Wesam al-Delaema, an Iraqi-born Dutch citizen, to eight years.

This was closer to the applicable penalty for the same crime under Dutch law, prosecution spokesman Wim de Bruin said.

Delaema, 37, had already been in prison for more than two-thirds of the new sentence and thus "he was released" under Dutch parole regulations, he said.

He had been sentenced by a Washington court in April 2009 for making videos on how to construct roadside bombs to kill US soldiers in Fallujah.

He was the first Iraq war insurgent to be prosecuted in a US court.

Delaema was arrested in the Netherlands on his return from Iraq in 2005 and extradited to the United States two years later.

After sentencing, Delaema was sent back to the Netherlands, under a bilateral agreement, to serve his sentence there.

"A sentence of eight years was imposed," said a statement from the Dutch court that added that Delaema had already served 5.5 years behind bars, mostly in the United States.

Judges took into account as a mitigating factor the "bad conditions" of his detention in the United States that "deviate negatively from the detention situation in comparable cases in the Netherlands," said the statement.

The sentence conversion process happens automatically if a Dutch citizen convicted of a crime abroad is sent to the Netherlands to serve out the sentence, the prosecutor said.

"It is the end of a nightmare," Delaema's lawyer Victor Koppe told AFP on Wednesday. "He should never have been extradited to the US. This was a purely Dutch criminal case."

In a separate case, Delaema had also been sentenced to 18 months' detention for kicking a US prison guard until he lost consciousness in 2007.


EXACTLY!!!

 ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on October 14, 2010, 05:05:43 AM
Wow, i didn't mean to stay up this late. LOL

 ::MonkeyHaHa::  I see the time on your post is way past my bedtime, too. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 14, 2010, 05:12:00 AM
 ::MonkeyShocked::

I hadn't even noticed!  Here I was thinking...awww it's not that late...  ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on October 14, 2010, 05:17:10 AM
::MonkeyShocked::

I hadn't even noticed!  Here I was thinking...awww it's not that late...  ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

Now, it looks like it is okay...I messed with my settings but also let Klaas know.  My post said 5 something AM when I responded to SuzieQ.   ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 14, 2010, 05:19:59 AM
::MonkeyShocked::

I hadn't even noticed!  Here I was thinking...awww it's not that late...  ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

Now, it looks like it is okay...I messed with my settings but also let Klaas know.  My post said 5 something AM when I responded to SuzieQ.   ::MonkeyHaHa::

Mine is still messed up!  Your last post was at 4:17:10 AM!   ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: wreck on October 14, 2010, 05:25:31 AM
::MonkeyShocked::

I hadn't even noticed!  Here I was thinking...awww it's not that late...  ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

Now, it looks like it is okay...I messed with my settings but also let Klaas know.  My post said 5 something AM when I responded to SuzieQ.   ::MonkeyHaHa::

Mine is still messed up!  Your last post was at 4:17:10 AM!   ::MonkeyEek::
We have to go to our forum "profile" and then click on "layout and preferences" and select "auto detect" in "time" category.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 14, 2010, 05:38:02 AM
::MonkeyShocked::

I hadn't even noticed!  Here I was thinking...awww it's not that late...  ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

Now, it looks like it is okay...I messed with my settings but also let Klaas know.  My post said 5 something AM when I responded to SuzieQ.   ::MonkeyHaHa::

Mine is still messed up!  Your last post was at 4:17:10 AM!   ::MonkeyEek::
We have to go to our forum "profile" and then click on "layout and preferences" and select "auto detect" in "time" category.

Thanks wreck!  It worked!   ::monkeywine2::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on October 14, 2010, 06:19:02 AM
::MonkeyShocked::

I hadn't even noticed!  Here I was thinking...awww it's not that late...  ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

Now, it looks like it is okay...I messed with my settings but also let Klaas know.  My post said 5 something AM when I responded to SuzieQ.   ::MonkeyHaHa::

Mine is still messed up!  Your last post was at 4:17:10 AM!   ::MonkeyEek::
We have to go to our forum "profile" and then click on "layout and preferences" and select "auto detect" in "time" category.

Thanks wreck!  It worked!   ::monkeywine2::

That's what I did and then I couldn't get back in.  Hopefully, later this morning, it will be okay. 

G'nite....I'm heading out....again.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 14, 2010, 06:24:01 AM
Good night 2NJ!   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on October 14, 2010, 06:36:05 AM
::MonkeyShocked::

I hadn't even noticed!  Here I was thinking...awww it's not that late...  ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

Now, it looks like it is okay...I messed with my settings but also let Klaas know.  My post said 5 something AM when I responded to SuzieQ.   ::MonkeyHaHa::

Mine is still messed up!  Your last post was at 4:17:10 AM!   ::MonkeyEek::
We have to go to our forum "profile" and then click on "layout and preferences" and select "auto detect" in "time" category.

 ::MonkeySlide::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Sharon/Tx on October 14, 2010, 12:34:41 PM
(http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/5990/altovistachurchandaruba.jpg)

(http://img715.imageshack.us/img715/4794/altovistaterrain.jpg)


Ribbit!

Was Joran van der Sloot attempting to distract attention away from the lighthouse/Arashi Beach with his changing stories?

Janet

++++++

The Lighthouse

Joran van der Sloot - Suspect Statement - June 9, 2005

To your question why I got the idea to drive to the Lighthouse, I answer you that I did this because Natalee commented that she wanted to go see sharks.

I told Deepak to drive to the Lighthouse because Natalee had said to me that she wanted to see sharks. I had told Natalee that there were no sharks but she insisted that she had seen sharks already. At no point had Natalee said to me that she wanted to go to the North Coast. With Deepak's car one cannot drive to the North Coast because his car is too low. ....
 
We drove up to the lighthouse and then we took the same road down again towards the Holiday Inn. While we were driving in the direction/towards the hotel, she dozed off several times/fell half asleep several times and we didn't kiss anymore.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=160.0


Changing Story - Joran's Residence - Marriot Beach

Transcript: Joran van der Sloot Goes 'On the Record,' Part 1
Wednesday, March 01, 2006


VAN SUSTEREN: So you leave Carlos 'nCharlie's and your intention was to head to your house. Did you actually head to your house?

VAN DER SLOOT: Yes, we did. We actually did end up heading to my house because that's what she was — that's what she wanted to, so I was fine with it. And then during the car ride she was — she had her hand on my — on my leg and I had my hand on her leg and we were both in the back. We were kissing each other and so I took (INAUDIBLE) in a — in a positive not in a bad way.

VAN SUSTEREN: Did you ever actually make it to your house?

VAN DER SLOOT: Yes, we did. We actually did stop in front of my house. We got to my house and then, yes then I — then she said she wanted to go see sharks.

VAN SUSTEREN: Why sharks?

VAN DER SLOOT: I have no idea why she wanted to go see sharks and so I was laughing and telling her there's no sharks.

VAN SUSTEREN: All right, so you drive from your house and where is your next, where is the next point you stop the car?

VAN DER SLOOT: The next point we stopped the car was at the beach where we ended up going to. We were driving. The point was to drive to her hotel then but we drove — we drove right by that and she said, yes, because she didn't want to go to her hotel. She wanted to go see sharks. ....

VAN SUSTEREN: About how long did it take from the point of your house to drive to the beach?

VAN DER SLOOT: That probably takes around five minutes.

VAN SUSTEREN: Did you drive past her hotel at that point or just drive right to the beach?

VAN DER SLOOT: No, we drove past her — past her hotel and then took the road right next to her hotel.

VAN SUSTEREN: And so when you go to the beach you then move down to the Marriott is that right? You went farther north of the Marriott?

VAN DER SLOOT: Yes, the Marriott is right next to it.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,186581,00.html


Changing Story - No Lighthouse

Transcript: Joran van der Sloot Goes 'On the Record,' Part 2
Friday, March 03, 2006


VAN DER SLOOT: ... And they're saying also that we went to the lighthouse when we never even went to the lighthouse.

And, even statements from the security guard that was at the lighthouse said a car never went to the lighthouse at all. I mean that's, you know, that's mind — for me that's mind boggling.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,186707,00.html

  We stayed across the street from the Aruba Racquet Club on Opal.  There are two ponds behind the house between the house and the beach and many foot paths that the horses use to get to the huts.  I watched cars come back there on dirt roads at sunrise to move their fishtraps and watched the locals walk to the hotels and work from there. It's very secluded, high sand dunes, many cactuses  and we never felt comfortable to walk to the beach due to the seclusion.  Anything could happen back there.  There was a demolished bus and some houses.  I wonder if those ponds and that area was searched.  (O/T my pregnant daughter that I went to Aruba with had her baby this weekend and all is well - Thank God!  Congrats on your Grandbaby too Klaasend!)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 14, 2010, 03:52:07 PM
Congratulations Grandma Sharon/Tx!!  

When the following is considered ... could it be that the Marriot Beach was a distraction that never play a part in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.  Could the "something bad" had happened at the van der Sloot residence.

1.  Kyle Kingman's own words in regards to the location where the trap was discovered.

2.  Kermit's map which clearly reveals the relationship between the van der Sloot residence and the Arashi Beach.

3.  The official declarations of Joran, Deepak and Joran stating that Natalee was taken to the Arashi Beach/Lighthouse on the morning of May 30, 2005. (Joran later backtracked)

4.  Beth Holloway's claim that she saw a declaration where Joran states that Natalee was taken to the van der Sloot residence and a sexual encounter occured.  In her book Beth identifies Joran's June 13th suspect as the source. 

+++++++.

'The Abrams Report' for Sept. 14th
updated 9/15/2005 11:21:45 AM ET


BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY‘S MOTHER:  You know, I‘ve seen several of Joran‘s statements and I don‘t know why he was released.  I hope that these statements were not withheld from evidence presented before the judge of instruction because they are hugely, hugely showing his involvement in this crime against Natalee.  I mean he has her coming in and out of consciousness, repeatedly throughout his statements.  You know he admits to bringing her to his home and even gives a date and a time, 1:40 a.m. on May the 30th, and has sex with her in his home.  You know, I just hope those statements made it before the judge of instruction.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9353948/ 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 14, 2010, 03:57:16 PM
All Dutch to me!  Maybe someone could translate.

Good Morning Monkeys

Janet
7:55 AM PT
++++++

JORAN 06/13/2005 STATEMENT
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=175.0


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on October 14, 2010, 05:04:30 PM
This morning while looking for some news, I happened to find that www.aruba.com (http://www.aruba.com) has been redesigned to mirror the recent new branding.  I normally read over the news articles they previously had at a separate tab, but it seems they no longer have them.  What caught my eye was one particular ad, one of a few that depict people in different careers on the island.

I was not able to upload to photobucket, but will attempt again later.  The diving gear & name caught my eye.  Facebook page says Red Sail Sports is the employer.  Profile pic is gross.  It may be nothing at all, but I thought I'd share. 

http://www.facebook.com/people/Osmar-Vrolijk/1837905635#!/profile.php?id=1837905635&v=info (http://www.facebook.com/people/Osmar-Vrolijk/1837905635#!/profile.php?id=1837905635&v=info)



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 14, 2010, 01:27:01 PM
Reminder

Joran, Deepak and Satish were not the only ones who were detained as suspects in regards to the involvement in wrongdoing against the person of Natalee Holloway during the final moments of her life.  Then there were those who were questioned time and time again as witnesses. 

Was there a pre-arranged gathering at the van der Sloot residence?  At some point in time did one of the main suspects reveal the names of those present at that gathering?  Then ... something akin to the June 10th confession ... was there a retraction that would imply conformity to the cover up agenda?

++++++


Suspects in the Natalee Holloway Case

Joran van der Sloot


6/2005 - Suspicion of murder and kidnapping as well as being an accessory to murder

11/2008 - Suspicion of involvement in voluntary manslaughter and causing serious bodily harm that resulted in the death of Holloway.

Deepak Kalpoe

6/2005 - Suspicion of murder and kidnapping as well as being an accessory to murder.

8/2005 - Suspected of the primary criminal act of together with other people committing premeditated murder, alternately together with other people murdering somebody, more alternately rob a person of her liberty with fatal consequences and even more alternately, raping somebody and new suspicions.

11/2008 - Suspicion of involvement in voluntary manslaughter and causing serious bodily harm that resulted in the death of Holloway.

Satish Kalpoe

6/2005 - Suspicion of murder and kidnapping as well as being an accessory to murder.

8/2005 - Suspected of the primary criminal act of together with other people committing premeditated murder, alternately together with other people murdering somebody, more alternately rob a person of her liberty with fatal consequences and even more alternately, raping somebody and new suspicions.

11/2008 - Suspicion of involvement in voluntary manslaughter and causing serious bodily harm that resulted in the death of Holloway.

Paulus van der Sloot

6/2005 -  complicity to pre-meditated murder, complicity to kidnapping and murder and kidnapping.

Steve Croes

6/2005 - Suspicion of murder and kidnapping as well as being an accessory to murder.   

Geoffrey van Cromvoirt

4/2006 - criminal offenses that may be related to the disappearance"of Natalee Holloway.

Guido Weaver:[/b]

4/2006 - Assisting in the murder, heavy battery and kidnapping" of the teen

Freddy Alexander Zedan Armbatzis

Nancy Grace - August 29, 2005


NANCY GRACE, HOST:  Thank you very much for being with us, Beth. So much happening. What do you think this means, the arrest of the Kalpoe brothers, and what do you have to tell us tonight -- Beth.

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, NATALEE`S MOTHER: Well, Nancy, I would imagine that it means that they`ve gathered new evidence to warrant this re-arrest of the Kalpoe brothers. And there`s no way you`re going to convince me that Freddy`s arrest is a coincidence. You know, I`ve seen his name surface throughout my documentation that I`ve been keeping since as early as June 15th ....

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0508/29/ng.01.htm


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 14, 2010, 01:37:22 PM
THE COVER UP

Its been documented

The Jonesboro Sun - January 29, 2007

Twitty recalled the first days after her daughter's disappearance and the actions of the Aruban government.

"We did everything we could in looking for her.  There was a government coverup, and it has been documented," Twitty contended.

http://www.jonesborosun.com/story.php?ID=25809


A List of Reasons

'Scarborough Country' - October 23, 2005


BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY: They never—they never wanted to implicate these three young men.

They never wanted to implicate them from the beginning. And there is a list of reasons, you know, why we know that is true.

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/9796403/from/RL.2/


Everybody Knows

Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Page 194:
It's quiet in the room when i add, 'Oh, come on. Everyone knows there was a cover-up.' And to this, Jorge Pesquera, president and CEO of the Aruba Hotel and Tourism Association, shrugs his shoulders, nods in the affirmative, and says softly, 'Yes...yes there was'."


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 14, 2010, 01:45:34 PM
THE LIGHTHOUSE - ARASHI BEACH - THE PERSISTENCE CONNECTION

The Road to Arashi

Deepak Kalpoe - Suspect Statement - June 11, 2005

I had been driving on, in the direction of Arashi. When I arrived at Arashi I stopped the car on the asphalted section. I got out because I had to take a pee. Then I got back in again and we drove in the direction of the “Lighthouse”. Arriving at the "Lighthouse" I drove into the road and drove past the front of the restaurant. When we drove past the front I said, here we are this is the “Lighthouse”. Nobody answered me. At some point I looked into the rear view mirror and saw that Joran and the girl were French kissing. I had not seen that Joran had his hand up the girls skirt. I only saw him kissing. I looked at my brother Satish. He said keep on driving. After that I continued in the direction from which we just came. I saw a little farther up at about where the Lighthouse was a green jeep and a four door, white car. After that I drove down the road towards Arashi.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=170.0


Connect the Dots?

Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words

Kyle Kingman:
  While we were searching shortly before Christmas, we were contacted by an Aruban detective who was involved in the Holloway case. He claimed that his brother had a vision about Natalee’s body offshore and had coordinates. He and his brother agreed to meet on the Persistence. The detective's brother gave what he thought were coordinates, but turned out to be a line of latitude. This latitude aligned with Arashi beach and came within a half mile of the fish trap.

Kyle Kingman:  My opinion on Simian is that he is a detective/cop involved in the case since the beginning. My understanding is that there is only one of the originals remaining. He came to us during the search along with his brother who had a "vision" on where Natalee was disposed. The vision was cryptic and actually contained a latitude which from what he claimed could have been anywhere in the world. The brother thought they were coordinates, but it was just a latitude. Oddly, the latitude was within a half mile from where we found the trap and centered on Arashi beach. Basically, if you stood on land and pointed straight to the trap and were right on the money... this is what the difference amounts to. Based on this latitude we payed a little more attention to the northern portions of the search grid near that Latitude. The trap was found shortly after, within the original search area, but very close to the provided latitude. I would have found the trap without the latitude, but it was very strange.

Kermit - Scared Monkeys


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 14, 2010, 02:26:53 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_79591.php

Google translation:

ARUBA
Aruba House suspends employee leaks account
October 14, 2010, 14:05 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY / THE HAGUE - A member of the Aruba House in The Hague has been suspended following the bill for the rental of a temporary residence of the plenipotentiary minister was leaked to the press. Another employee received a warning.

The Aruba House confirmed yesterday in a press release that these disciplinary measures. This followed a meeting with the entire staff. The official story of the Aruba House is that the two employees in the press statement could not be named, have brought out internal information. "This has led to a series of speculations that the representation of Aruba in the Netherlands in a negative light," said the press release. "Violation of this internal procedure, if the law gives to, any sanctions."

Solo Di Pueblo published Saturday that the trustee Minister Edwin Abath (AVP) has rented a house in Scheveningen at a price of 4,400 euros (10,120 florins) per month. Abath says the whole situation is based on speculation. "During my conversations with my predecessor Frido Croes gave me the advice to him to repair the house," said Abath. He had already decided not to involve the home pending the repairs and went with his family in a small apartment living. "My two children aged 18 and 21 years had to share a room and the rest of the apartment is so small that you can barely turn around. We have adapted to this situation. When it became unbearable, I asked permission to still a larger house to rent for me and my family. I was given permission with the condition that we would again involve the official's residence when the reconstruction work there done. "Abath doubts that the suspended employee, who has expressed regret for his action, returns to his post.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 14, 2010, 03:21:09 PM
The Aruba's iguana population was a topic of discussion in the last Natalee Holloway thread.  In my reading ... I just came across a segment in Loving Natalee where Beth shares her perspective regarding her encounter with these creatures that appear to come from another era.

Janet

+++++++

Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Page 56:
  Daylight comes, and I see the island for the first time.  It's paradoxical to see such beauty and experience such horror at the same time.

Something out of the corner of my eye moves and catcges my attention.  Adjusting my focus I zoom in on the biggest iguana I have ever seen!  It’s moving slowly along the sidewalk where it encounters another lizard.  The two of them lazily swing one leg forward at a time, tongues tasting the hot wind, and travel down the walkway ignoring the tourists around them who stop to point and stare.  They’re all over the place down here.  Everywhere I look there’s one or two or three.  Giant colourful lizards and smaller versions as well look like little dinosaurs and are free to come in and out of the facilities all over the Island.  This is a miniature Jurassic Park, my tired mind says to itself.  Island visitors who are up early to enjoy the day come upon the iguanas and take pictures and ooh and ahh.  But big lizards leave big calling cards that dot the sidewalks, and one must watch where one steps.  Hotel guest hopscotch the droppings.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 14, 2010, 05:57:39 PM
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-20019607-504083.html

October 14, 2010 3:26 PM

Joran van der Sloot Drug Probe: Accused Killer's Lawyer Wants Peru to Investigate Alleged Prison Pot Buy

Posted by Edecio Martinez

(http://i.i.com.com/cnwk.1d/i/tim/2010/10/14/image6560245x_370x278_370x278_370x278_370x278.jpg)

Joran van der Sloot (CBS/AP)



LIMA, Peru (CBS) Peruvian officials are being urged to investigate how Joran van der Sloot allegedly bought drugs from a prison guard while incarcerated.


Surveillance video from inside Lima's Miguel Castro Castro prison, where van der sloot is being held in the death of Peruvian student Stephany Flores, purportedly shows the young Dutchman trying to buy marijuana.


The grainy footage is believed to show a shirtless van der Sloot standing outside his cell when a drug dealer walks up to him and asks if he wants to buy some pot, according to CNN, which says the footage comes from Peruvian television station, America TV.


According to the video, van der Sloot answers, "Can you sell it to me for five soles[$1.80]?"


RadarOnline reports that the drug dealer was actually an officer of the National Penitentiary Institute.


"Those involved in the shameful fact are fully identified on the tape and will be brought to justice," a source told the website.


Van der Sloot's attorney, Maximo Altez, says the whole thing was "staged" and he has asked Peru's National Correctional Institute to investigate how the tape was made and how it was leaked, according to Radar.


Altez told CNN that his client had been granted permission to paint his cell and that was why his shirt is off in the video: "He took off his shirt so that he wouldn't paint his clothes. He is painting and the guards are talking to him."


Van der Sloot is being held for the death of the 21-year-old Flores, whom he confessed to fatally beating, strangling and suffocating in his Lima hotel room, according to transcripts of his signed confession. He has since recanted in an interview with a Dutch newspaper, and has attempted - thus far unsuccessfully - to have the confession suppressed for a variety of reasons.


Flores' death occurred five years after Alabama teen Natalee Holloway disappeared in Aruba, a case in which van der Sloot is the main suspect.


The Dutchman faces charges of first-degree murder and robbery for the May 30 death of Flores.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 14, 2010, 06:48:02 PM
(http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/5990/altovistachurchandaruba.jpg)

(http://img715.imageshack.us/img715/4794/altovistaterrain.jpg)


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  We stayed across the street from the Aruba Racquet Club on Opal.  There are two ponds behind the house between the house and the beach and many foot paths that the horses use to get to the huts.  I watched cars come back there on dirt roads at sunrise to move their fishtraps and watched the locals walk to the hotels and work from there. It's very secluded, high sand dunes, many cactuses  and we never felt comfortable to walk to the beach due to the seclusion.  Anything could happen back there.  There was a demolished bus and some houses.  I wonder if those ponds and that area was searched.  (O/T my pregnant daughter that I went to Aruba with had her baby this weekend and all is well - Thank God!  Congrats on your Grandbaby too Klaasend!)

These are some pics from Sharon/Tx of the area she's describing. 

Thanks Sharon/Tx! ::MonkeyCool::

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Aruba%20Misc/SDC16152.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Aruba%20Misc/SDC16153.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Aruba%20Misc/SDC16154.jpg)

These are from the same photos, just zoomed in...

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Aruba%20Misc/stx_3.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Aruba%20Misc/stx_1.jpg)

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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 14, 2010, 06:55:47 PM
JMO,  but if this is a common area where fisherman leave their traps; it may have been a temporary location for a trap holding a body until it could be transported out to sea.  As we've heard so many times....hidden in plain sight. 

I don't think Joran has guts enough to go out to that Monserrat pond in the dark...my bet is he's a big skeerdy cat.  But notice all the lights in this area...and activity out there probably wouldn't draw attention. 



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Sharon/Tx on October 14, 2010, 07:21:49 PM
Congratulations Grandma Sharon/Tx!!  

When the following is considered ... could it be that the Marriot Beach was a distraction that never play a part in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.  Could the "something bad" had happened at the van der Sloot residence.

1.  Kyle Kingman's own words in regards to the location where the trap was discovered.

2.  Kermit's map which clearly reveals the relationship between the van der Sloot residence and the Arashi Beach.

3.  The official declarations of Joran, Deepak and Joran stating that Natalee was taken to the Arashi Beach/Lighthouse on the morning of May 30, 2005. (Joran later backtracked)

4.  Beth Holloway's claim that she saw a declaration where Joran states that Natalee was taken to the van der Sloot residence and a sexual encounter occured.  In her book Beth identifies Joran's June 13th suspect as the source. 

+++++++.

'The Abrams Report' for Sept. 14th
updated 9/15/2005 11:21:45 AM ET


BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY‘S MOTHER:  You know, I‘ve seen several of Joran‘s statements and I don‘t know why he was released.  I hope that these statements were not withheld from evidence presented before the judge of instruction because they are hugely, hugely showing his involvement in this crime against Natalee.  I mean he has her coming in and out of consciousness, repeatedly throughout his statements.  You know he admits to bringing her to his home and even gives a date and a time, 1:40 a.m. on May the 30th, and has sex with her in his home.  You know, I just hope those statements made it before the judge of instruction.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9353948/ 

  Thank you Tamikosmom!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Sharon/Tx on October 14, 2010, 07:26:37 PM
(http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/5990/altovistachurchandaruba.jpg)

(http://img715.imageshack.us/img715/4794/altovistaterrain.jpg)


snipped

  We stayed across the street from the Aruba Racquet Club on Opal.  There are two ponds behind the house between the house and the beach and many foot paths that the horses use to get to the huts.  I watched cars come back there on dirt roads at sunrise to move their fishtraps and watched the locals walk to the hotels and work from there. It's very secluded, high sand dunes, many cactuses  and we never felt comfortable to walk to the beach due to the seclusion.  Anything could happen back there.  There was a demolished bus and some houses.  I wonder if those ponds and that area was searched.  (O/T my pregnant daughter that I went to Aruba with had her baby this weekend and all is well - Thank God!  Congrats on your Grandbaby too Klaasend!)

These are some pics from Sharon/Tx of the area she's describing. 

Thanks Sharon/Tx! ::MonkeyCool::

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Aruba%20Misc/SDC16152.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Aruba%20Misc/SDC16153.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Aruba%20Misc/SDC16154.jpg)

These are from the same photos, just zoomed in...

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Aruba%20Misc/stx_3.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Aruba%20Misc/stx_1.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Aruba%20Misc/stx_2.jpg)




Thank you so very much TXmom!  See those guys in the water?  They moved that white stick every day.  Granted, this is 5 years later but cars came and went back there!  At night, it was so dark!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Sharon/Tx on October 14, 2010, 07:36:46 PM
JMO,  but if this is a common area where fisherman leave their traps; it may have been a temporary location for a trap holding a body until it could be transported out to sea.  As we've heard so many times....hidden in plain sight. 

I don't think Joran has guts enough to go out to that Monserrat pond in the dark...my bet is he's a big skeerdy cat.  But notice all the lights in this area...and activity out there probably wouldn't draw attention. 


  Exactly!  We saw car lights at night and early morning.  The only other lights came from the hotels in the distance and the streetlights way out on the main road.  These ponds are dark at night and a perfect place for kids to hang out and be undetected.  It's near the road that cuts over to Joran's neighborhood and area and he would travel back through that area to get to the hotels to the left in the pictures.  If you turn right onto the main road by the hut and go about 5-10 minutes you are at Arashi, then the lighthouse. The pond looks secluded so I questioned if fish or bait were in them and what that white thing was that they kept moving.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 14, 2010, 07:41:55 PM
Sharon/Tx

You are welcome.

Your great photos as well as texasmom's theory regarding a possible temporary holding place for Natalee Holloway remains is definitely food for thought ... especially when the gardener's observation is considered.

Janet



 



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 14, 2010, 07:53:08 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_79619.php

Google translation:

"Anticipating BOB Law incomprehensible '

October 14, 2010, 15:30 (GMT -04:00)

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ORANGE CITY - In its opinion on the bill PDO which justice and police greater investigative resources have said the Advisory Council (RvA) that a "thorough review" of these resources to the European Convention on Human Rights (ECHR) necessary is.

The proposed extension of the investigative procedures will be "substantially in nature", says the Council.

The Council considers it "incomprehensible" that the Attorney-General (PG) of Aruba (and also the PG of the former West Indies) already come with a directive to declare all these methods, so that the justice and police have deployed be. This has already happened in 2008 and then the methods are already employed, as previously published by this newspaper. RvA thinks this is too far and even contrary to both the ECHR and the Aruban constitution.

In advice to the Government of the Council even more critical, especially about the impact that the expansion of investigative powers to affect 'others'. This example, provided the family or relatives of those who consider justice. This family or family members (initially) not suspected of a crime, but the research does get involved, so there is a breach of their privacy. Article 8 paragraph 1 and paragraph 2 of the Convention stipulates that this is done with care and the citizen should be able to determine its behavior when applying the detection methods. The Board questions whether here in the bill sufficiently taken into account. Lies in the fact that only the investigative methods used by others may be in the interest of the investigation. RvA is that this will create "a very wide discretion to the prosecutor that is created hardly be further standardized. In other words, that the description in the "interest of the investigation" is too vague.

Third parties may in the current bill is almost not figure out whether they are monitored, wiretapped or other investigative methods used against them, says the Council. Also they can not count on the information during criminal investigations to be collected will be destroyed. It is just the opposite, in the Council. "It is desirable for the government for its retention on the grounds that these might contribute to the elucidation of other offenses." The way the government wants to store the data, according to the RvA still not adequately regulated and that also applies to the destruction of the data. The Council therefore recommends that the Government should do so with an eye on the privacy of third parties and that there is a system for destroying data of suspects not prosecuted.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 14, 2010, 08:05:31 PM
The second report sounds like it might have been the Hagedoorn's, not sure though.

http://www.diario.aw/2010/10/casonan-di-ladronicia-ta-cos-di-tur-dia-na-aruba/

Papiamentu translation:

casonan by ladronicia is cos by all day at aruba

publication: diahuebs, 14 october 2010.

categoria: policial

oranjestad (aan): in oranan by at night, patrol oranjestad owing to worde dirigi before atende the tantisimo ladronicianan cu is tumando lugar in wayaca. the trip owing to toca door apartment by one man venezolano by inicialnan h.r.b.39 year. he owing to say police cu past owing to bay work in careda by 9’or y pico by morning. at her trabao her neighbour owing to yame before bise cu thief owing to break come into in her apartment. owing to constata cu via window thief owing to come into. was have lock break by her door by camber y all cos in the apartment was reboltea. owing to somenta holoshi model swatch y also suma by 400 dolar owing to cria leg. all the time also in alto vista also cantidad by ladronicia is take lugar. seems neither cu alarma do not grab the thief more, in one fraccion by time they're break come into steal y descend at water cu thou pertenencianan. patrol north owing to bay in oranan by morning at the direccion at alto vista, at arrival personal by one compania by seguridad already was present. according the guardia they owing to averigua y thief not was tey more. one lady owing to say police cu the cas is pertenece at casa by her child muher. he was on sea. thief owing to forza window, till so far owing to averigua cu laptop owing to desaparece, but was have more articulo owing to somenta. will work list by locual thief owing to bay cune y entrega this at police.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on October 14, 2010, 08:10:33 PM
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-20019607-504083.html

October 14, 2010 3:26 PM

Joran van der Sloot Drug Probe: Accused Killer's Lawyer Wants Peru to Investigate Alleged Prison Pot Buy

Posted by Edecio Martinez

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Joran van der Sloot (CBS/AP)



LIMA, Peru (CBS) Peruvian officials are being urged to investigate how Joran van der Sloot allegedly bought drugs from a prison guard while incarcerated.


Surveillance video from inside Lima's Miguel Castro Castro prison, where van der sloot is being held in the death of Peruvian student Stephany Flores, purportedly shows the young Dutchman trying to buy marijuana.


The grainy footage is believed to show a shirtless van der Sloot standing outside his cell when a drug dealer walks up to him and asks if he wants to buy some pot, according to CNN, which says the footage comes from Peruvian television station, America TV.


According to the video, van der Sloot answers, "Can you sell it to me for five soles[$1.80]?"


RadarOnline reports that the drug dealer was actually an officer of the National Penitentiary Institute.


"Those involved in the shameful fact are fully identified on the tape and will be brought to justice," a source told the website.


Van der Sloot's attorney, Maximo Altez, says the whole thing was "staged" and he has asked Peru's National Correctional Institute to investigate how the tape was made and how it was leaked, according to Radar.


Altez told CNN that his client had been granted permission to paint his cell and that was why his shirt is off in the video: "He took off his shirt so that he wouldn't paint his clothes. He is painting and the guards are talking to him."


Van der Sloot is being held for the death of the 21-year-old Flores, whom he confessed to fatally beating, strangling and suffocating in his Lima hotel room, according to transcripts of his signed confession. He has since recanted in an interview with a Dutch newspaper, and has attempted - thus far unsuccessfully - to have the confession suppressed for a variety of reasons.


Flores' death occurred five years after Alabama teen Natalee Holloway disappeared in Aruba, a case in which van der Sloot is the main suspect.


The Dutchman faces charges of first-degree murder and robbery for the May 30 death of Flores.


It's hard to believe the guards aren't painting Hotel Joran for him.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on October 14, 2010, 08:13:46 PM


Congratulations, Sharon, on your new Grandbaby.  Boy or Girl?

 ::MonkeyAngel::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Sharon/Tx on October 14, 2010, 09:08:43 PM


Congratulations, Sharon, on your new Grandbaby.  Boy or Girl?

 ::MonkeyAngel::


Thank you Bearlyhere!  I appreciate that! She is a precious little girl and it was a high risk pregnancy so I am elated!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Sharon/Tx on October 14, 2010, 09:17:17 PM
I cannot imagine raising a baby girl, loving her, changing her diapers, cleaning her scraped knees, watching her go to Kindergarten, then Junior High, High School, then, for one final moment, you give into her interdependency and will to travel and see the world and poof............ your baby girl is gone.  It could have been any of our daughters and to look back on what Beth and Dave have gone through is just a travesty.  Someone in Aruba has answers.  How will they feel when they have daughters?  The truth will come out.... I feel it.  What will their daughters think of them then?  Joran Vandersloot is lower than the scum on the ponds.  Slowly his life crumbles.  Slowly his family crumbles.  Slowly Aruba's tourism crumbles and is tarnished.  It could all stop.  I hope the rats are out in Lima, Peru tonight!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 14, 2010, 11:19:38 PM
An Answer will Come

Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Page 129-130:
  Kathleen, the FBI victim assistance specialist, tries to help me through these days with her comforting soft tone and encouraging words.  She tells me maybe it's time to go home.  But that's the last thing I intend to do.  I can't leave Natalee here.  Won't.  I learn to recognize the sign of a panic attack and mentally fend it off.

The only things that help are the beautiful messages of hope starting to stream in.

Psalm 86:7
In the day of my trouble I call on you, for you will answer.


Romans 5:1-5
Therefore, since we have been made right in God’s sight by faith, we have peace with God because of what Jesus Christ our Lord has done for us.  Because of our faith, Christ has brought us into this place of undeserved privilege where we now stand, and we confidently and joyfully look forward to sharing God’s glory.  We can rejoice, too, when we run into problems and trials, for we know that they help us develop endurance.  And endurance develops strength of character, and character strengthens our confident hope of salvation.  And this hope will not lead to disappointment. For we know how dearly God loves us, because he has given us the Holy Spirit to fill our hearts with his love.


These powerful words quiet my mind and help me understand that an answer will come.  And warm peace blankets me like it did that morning on the hillside at the cross as I think about Natalee's relationshi with God.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 14, 2010, 11:21:34 PM
Good Night Monkeys

Janet
8:20 PM PT


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on October 15, 2010, 01:07:53 AM


Congratulations, Sharon, on your new Grandbaby.  Boy or Girl?

 ::MonkeyAngel::


Thank you Bearlyhere!  I appreciate that! She is a precious little girl and it was a high risk pregnancy so I am elated!

 ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 15, 2010, 02:17:13 AM
The second report sounds like it might have been the Hagedoorn's, not sure though.

http://www.diario.aw/2010/10/casonan-di-ladronicia-ta-cos-di-tur-dia-na-aruba/

Papiamentu translation:

casonan by ladronicia is cos by all day at aruba

publication: diahuebs, 14 october 2010.

categoria: policial

oranjestad (aan): in oranan by at night, patrol oranjestad owing to worde dirigi before atende the tantisimo ladronicianan cu is tumando lugar in wayaca. the trip owing to toca door apartment by one man venezolano by inicialnan h.r.b.39 year. he owing to say police cu past owing to bay work in careda by 9’or y pico by morning. at her trabao her neighbour owing to yame before bise cu thief owing to break come into in her apartment. owing to constata cu via window thief owing to come into. was have lock break by her door by camber y all cos in the apartment was reboltea. owing to somenta holoshi model swatch y also suma by 400 dolar owing to cria leg. all the time also in alto vista also cantidad by ladronicia is take lugar. seems neither cu alarma do not grab the thief more, in one fraccion by time they're break come into steal y descend at water cu thou pertenencianan. patrol north owing to bay in oranan by morning at the direccion at alto vista, at arrival personal by one compania by seguridad already was present. according the guardia they owing to averigua y thief not was tey more. one lady owing to say police cu the cas is pertenece at casa by her child muher. he was on sea. thief owing to forza window, till so far owing to averigua cu laptop owing to desaparece, but was have more articulo owing to somenta. will work list by locual thief owing to bay cune y entrega this at police.

http://www.bondia.com/index.php?option=com_flippingbook&book_id=2


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 15, 2010, 02:22:10 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/0_21_350_holloway_natalee.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/StephanyFlores_takentoosoon-1.jpg)

JUSTICE FOR NATALEE
AND STEPHANY!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on October 15, 2010, 06:28:30 AM


                 http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5700.0

Let's leave the light on for her.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 15, 2010, 07:49:14 AM


                 http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5700.0

Let's leave the light on for her.



Thanks Sis!   ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on October 15, 2010, 08:36:33 AM


                 http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5700.0

Let's leave the light on for her.



Thanks Sis!   ::MonkeyKiss::

 ::MonkeyAngel::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: can on October 15, 2010, 08:44:31 AM


                 http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5700.0

Let's leave the light on for her.


Thanks Bearly!   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: can on October 15, 2010, 08:49:26 AM
Sharon/TX.  Congratulations on your newest Grandbaby.  Glad to hear she was safely delivered.   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on October 15, 2010, 10:09:40 AM


                 http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5700.0

Let's leave the light on for her.


Thanks Bearly!   ::MonkeyAngel::

 ::MonkeyKiss::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 15, 2010, 01:59:56 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_79647.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

Foxy Lady owner back in court

October 15, 2010, 13:38 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - Alex Mathew, owner of Foxy Lady strip club in San Nicolas, must appear in court next week. This will judge the extension of his detention.

Mathew's since early August on suspicion of human trafficking among others. If he is convicted for this, it is a prison sentence of six to twelve years above the head, said the Public Prosecutor (OM). Two other suspects are still in custody. Besides human beings, they are also suspected of involvement in a criminal organization. "The investigation is still ongoing," said prosecutor Lars Stempher. He explains that the OM Mathew yet determined the suspect because it would have a very serious crime is involved and because there is "research activities" to be performed. He says it is a complex issue because even abroad to be worked. "We must work for justice in countries from North and South America and Europe." The alleged victims are the first in countries like Brazil, Czech Republic, Ukraine.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 15, 2010, 02:05:22 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_79645.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

New prosecutors: "A dynamic duo

October 15, 2010, 13:34 (GMT -04:00)

(http://www.amigoe.com/artman/uploads/officieren-van-justitie.gif)
Officers Vreneli Vreeling (left) and Lars Stempher the office of the Public Prosecutor.

ORANGE CITY - Full of energy and enthusiasm is from Rotterdam Vreneli Adrienne Vreeling (34) simultaneously in the Deventer Stempher Lars (1936) by Oct. 1 started as a prosecutor at the Public Prosecutor (OM). Both have the training Judicial Officer in Training (Raio) successfully completed and extensive experience as an officer.

by our reporter
Alex Lacle

Both officers may not bring cases to court. They must first be sworn in yet. When this occurs swearing is not yet known but will not be long in coming, so expect the OM. In the meantime, the new officers deal with acquaintances with all government departments and what they go together. Moreover, they take the files by which they will soon become a full officer will try and treat their fellow officers whenever possible to relieve.

Vreeling as public prosecutor at the District Office of Den Bosch experience in the field of domestic violence. A new discipline within the Aruban prosecutor and that therefore its portfolio ended. Specifies the PPS demonstrates its concerns about this issue and all related crimes. "It's more of a criminal than people often think," says Vreeling. "Hence in the Netherlands research has shown that a large number of murders resulting from domestic violence." As an extreme example she cites the case of Richard H. This guy living in Zoetermeer in 2005 brought his wife and children were killed. Vreeling case officer was. "Richard was first reported by the disappearance of his wife and daughters. The investigation showed quickly that he had them in his own home and then killed in a forest in Brabant was buried. "It is a matter that" in all facets impressed "made to the officer. When the court in The Hague was the man sentenced to life imprisonment, according to the requirement of the OM. On appeal, the punishment of the man was reduced to 20 years with TBS.

Shame

Although this murder is an extreme example of how domestic violence can escalate, says Vreeling that even mild forms of domestic violence is a huge social impact. "The impact on children is enormous." She wants to Aruba to work on awareness and more willingness to report. "That is a problem," said the officer. "Many victims are ashamed or blame themselves." Vreeling want to clarify that victims are not alone and that there is help for them. Apart from domestic violence, the officer also deals with matters of the Land Investigation, sex offenses, victim care, Internal Affairs Bureau and several other departments of government. Moreover, the district Vreeling Santa Cruz under management received. She is the first point of contact for the Public Police in this district.

Queen Attack

Stempher district officer is an officer for Orange City. He has also attacked his wallet, the environment, coast guard, customs, immigration and human trafficking. Stempher enjoy the dynamic of the officer being. "Being involved in a case from beginning to end, from prosecution to execution," which is the gene that fascinates him. That is why during his training Raio chose the direction of an officer rather than judge. "If you're right but with a facet of the business process, it is more the end product." When asked for a remarkable case of his career, he immediately called 'Queen'. "I was with Gert Veurink, one of the two case officers in the incident on Queen's last year in Apeldoorn." It drove a man in the crowd who stood watching the procession of the royal family. Eight people were then killed including the driver of the car. "So you see it happening on TV and a half hours later you're at the police station and give you guidance in the investigation."

The Aruban OM Stempher will be in charge of another notable case, the investigation of Matthew Alexander, owner of Foxy Lady strip club. In his previous job as an officer in the national office in the Netherlands he has been indirectly involved in this case EAP. He was at the prosecutor responsible for trafficking and smuggling. Experience that comes in handy now. "Because it is a complex issue," said Stempher.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 15, 2010, 02:07:25 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_79560.php

Positive evaluation FOL locations

13 Okt, 2010, 09:10 (GMT -04:00)

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ORANJESTAD/THE HAGUE — In an evaluation of the so-called Forward Operating Locations (FOL) of the Untied States on Aruba and Curaçao the Ministry of Foreign Affairs underlines the value of these drug-combating flights.

This evaluation on which the Chamber was informed yesterday, mentions 700 flights were performed in the period October 2008 up to and including September 2009. For that matter, these flights departed mainly from Hato airport, while only 33 flights departed from Reina Beatrix airport. According to the Ministry, the flights led to the interception of 234,000 kilograms of cocaine, 7,000 kilograms of marihuana and 36.5 kilograms of heroin. In the evaluation, Foreign Affairs therefore states that the Kingdom benefits from the American aerial reconnaissance on which basis one could track and intercept drug transports. The latter occurred in a large number of cases in cooperation with the Royal Navy or Coastguard of the Kingdom.

The Ministry further states that the FOL operations ‘had no notable consequences for the civil aviation activities at the Hato and Reina Beatrix airports’, nor for flight operations of the Commander of the Naval Forces in the Caribbean Area. On the contrary, the Royal Navy, the local authorities, the FOL-management and the consulate of the United States experience the cooperation as ‘very constructive’ according to the Ministry.

FOL-treaty
A treaty between America and the Kingdom regulates that American aircrafts may make use of both islands for aerial drug combating. The American aircrafts perform flights to observe, monitor and track drug transports. The flights are performed unarmed. The states within the Kingdom have not expressed any objections against the intention to extend the FOL treaty for a five-year period as of November 2nd 2011.

Host Nation Riders (HNR) are consistently on board the American flights. These observers must be on board flights that cross the borders with third countries. They represent their government during the flight over sovereign territory of a third country and provide expertise on the area flown over. In the period 2008-2009, 175 missions in total were performed requiring HNR’s, according to Foreign Affairs. All of the observers on these flights had the Columbian nationality. There were 116 missions over Columbian territory, 15 missions over Columbian territorial waters, 15 Outside COL TTWs in International Waters 44.e, and 44 Outside COL TWs in International Waters.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: klaasend on October 15, 2010, 03:28:21 PM
DENIED! ::MonkeyGavel::


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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on October 15, 2010, 03:48:07 PM
DENIED! ::MonkeyGavel::


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 ::MonkeySlide:: ::MonkeyGavel:: ::monkeywine2:: ::CowboySmiley:: ::piggy:: ::rhino::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Blue Moon on October 15, 2010, 04:46:19 PM
DENIED! ::MonkeyGavel::


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(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/K2MInute100710b.jpg)

 ::MonkeySlide:: ::MonkeyGavel:: ::monkeywine2:: ::CowboySmiley:: ::piggy:: ::rhino::

I 2nd that 2NJ.  I am going to dance my way home.  ::MonkeyGavel::  ::piggy::  ::monkeywine2::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Kermit on October 15, 2010, 04:52:11 PM
HEY DEEPAK & SATISH - JUDGEMENT DAY IS ALMOST HERE!

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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: klaasend on October 15, 2010, 04:57:51 PM
They thought it would be so easy and by "they" I mean those in Aruba that are backing the Kalpoes in this ridiculous suit. They figured Dr. Phil and CBS would settle out of court years ago.  Now they are not only in jeopardy of losing and getting zilch but they will likely be ordered to pay the defense costs.

Now that is KARMA with a capital K  ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Magnolia on October 15, 2010, 05:03:57 PM
They thought it would be so easy and by "they" I mean those in Aruba that are backing the Kalpoes in this ridiculous suit. They figured Dr. Phil and CBS would settle out of court years ago.  Now they are not only in jeopardy of losing and getting zilch but they will likely be ordered to pay the defense costs.

Now that is KARMA with a capital K  ::MonkeyDevil::


 ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Kermit on October 15, 2010, 05:08:20 PM
Ribbit!

Kermit ... could the lighthouse/Arashi Beach have been the location where "something bad" happened.

Thoughts?

Janet

++++++

<snipped>



.... or could the "something bad" have happened at the van der Sloot residence and ... Natalee was taken to the lighthouse/Arashi Beach ... not the Marriot Beach?

Janet

++++++


Deepak Kalpoe - Suspect Statement - June 13, 2005

After that the family wanted us to go with the police to show them the route we drove. Joran's father refused. I also said no. After that the police officers said it was nonsense to drive out to the light house at that moment in time. The family then asked if we could go to the Holiday Inn to point out the security guard that worked there to the police.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=182.0


Janet is there a quote by Beth after she and Greta visited the van der Sloots home the first time wherein she stated that she *felt* that Natalee had been in that home?

looking back at patterns - how Joran murdered Stephany - he brought her to
HIS Hotel room/isolated her and beat her to death on the exact same day as he murdered Natalee.

If they find her body Joran said he'd be in big trouble. If he only raped Natalee, it could have been a case of he said, she said. The lie about she hit her head was to cover themselves if her body was found - due to blood.

* Paulus talking to Natalee at the blackjack table
* witness that saw Deepak's car near/at van der Sloots home
* Paulus does a search for drugs/alcohol/attorney in the early morning hours
* close proximity of Alto Church to van der Sloot home and racquet club
* Valentijns cell phone found at lighthouse area





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Kermit on October 15, 2010, 05:09:28 PM
They thought it would be so easy and by "they" I mean those in Aruba that are backing the Kalpoes in this ridiculous suit. They figured Dr. Phil and CBS would settle out of court years ago.  Now they are not only in jeopardy of losing and getting zilch but they will likely be ordered to pay the defense costs.

Now that is KARMA with a capital K  ::MonkeyDevil::

So who is backing them & paying Kalpoes attorneys?



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: klaasend on October 15, 2010, 05:14:20 PM
They thought it would be so easy and by "they" I mean those in Aruba that are backing the Kalpoes in this ridiculous suit. They figured Dr. Phil and CBS would settle out of court years ago.  Now they are not only in jeopardy of losing and getting zilch but they will likely be ordered to pay the defense costs.

Now that is KARMA with a capital K  ::MonkeyDevil::

So who is backing them & paying Kalpoes attorneys?



That is the million dollar question.  There have been so many morally corrupt people who's names have been referenced in the case it's hard to choose  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Buckeye on October 15, 2010, 05:20:12 PM
They thought it would be so easy and by "they" I mean those in Aruba that are backing the Kalpoes in this ridiculous suit. They figured Dr. Phil and CBS would settle out of court years ago.  Now they are not only in jeopardy of losing and getting zilch but they will likely be ordered to pay the defense costs.

Now that is KARMA with a capital K  ::MonkeyDevil::

So who is backing them & paying Kalpoes attorneys?



That is the million dollar question.  There have been so many morally corrupt people who's names have been referenced in the case it's hard to choose  ::MonkeyCool::

One of the original interrogatories (that solicited the long list of Kalpoe documents) questioned this arrangement.  I don't recall the Kalpoe response. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Buckeye on October 15, 2010, 05:24:25 PM
Translated:

Dutch to English translation
In a book published today on Joran van der Sloot are new details about the FBI undercover operation against him. In May this year to an American lawyer told Joran that Natalee's body was buried. She drove a car to the affected area, but Joran did not at that time, the car was full of eavesdropping equipment the Feds. The details in the book "Joran's Murder Mysteries' of crime journalists John van de Heuvel and Bert Houses.


If Joran in Thailand earlier this year returns to Aruba, he forges a plan to earn the reward which was offered for the recovery of Natalee. He mailed the New York lawyer John Kelly with a proposal. He will be the body of Natalee points if he can reap reward of $ 250,000. The lawyer maintains liaison with Beth, they conclude that there are two possibilities: either Joran speaks the truth and then the case is resolved, if he lies again and then there is legal question of fraud. In both cases, Joran guilty and risking a prison sentence. Beth sees it as the perfect opportunity to get Joran behind bars. It decided the case the FBI involved.

Beth makes a deposit of $ 15,000 over to a Dutch bank account of Joran and a meeting is arranged at the Radisson Hotel in Aruba. In the hotel room of lawyer Kelly, hands them another $ 10,000 cash to Joran. The FBI secretly records everything photographic.

Joran tells then during the drive to the lawyer how the fateful night has expired. That Natalee on the beach and he wanted to keep her back to the hotel would bring. That there is a push and pull lot was covered with Natalee and her head on a rock hit. She would have died instantly. Then he and his father Natalee's body buried in a house, near the Aruba Racquet Club. "In the gravel under the foundation, is in the FBI report.

As soon as there appears nothing of the story correct. Beginning in June 2005 the house was not even there, until October, the construction was begun. As was also evident in satellite photos. Kelly asked for clarification and Joran admits to having lied again.



The Peruvian lawyer of Joran, says in the book convinced that the FBI lured him to Lima. In Aruba, Joran could not be extradited for extortion (only for drug offenses), so he had to a friendly country that would help his extradition. Joran's poker friend David Garcia, an undercover agent of the FBI. He paid the ticket and the hotel arranged for Joran.

Soon a more extensive review of the book on Crime Site.

http://crimesite.nl/misdaad/nieuws/19908-nieuwe-details-fbi-onderzoek-joran.html


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Buckeye on October 15, 2010, 05:38:23 PM
One more book review:

From:
Dutch

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Translate text or webpageHij heeft zich op bijna elk continent onmogelijk gemaakt: de Nederlandse Joran van der Sloot. Op Aruba is hij verdachte in de verdwijningszaak rond de Amerikaanse Natalee Holloway. In Amerika willen ze hem vervolgen wegens afpersing van de ouders van Natalee. In Thailand zou hij in vrouwen hebben gehandeld en Peru hoopt Van der Sloot te kunnen veroordelen wegens de moord op Stephanie Flores. Reden voor een boek, vond misdaadverslaggever John van den Heuvel. Als sinds de verdwijningszaak op Aruba, in 2005, is Van den Heuvel gebiologeerd door deze jongeman. Zijn boek 'Jorans Moordmysteries' biedt geen oplossing voor de moordzaken, maar geeft wel saillante details weg. Zoals een nog niet eerder openbaar gemaakt vertrouwelijk politierapport, maar ook een psychiatrisch rapport over de persoonlijkheidsstoornis van Joran. Het politierapport dateert uit 2005 en gaat over de eerste veertig dagen na de verdwijning van Natalee Holloway. Van den Heuvel noemt het rapport 'schokkend'. "Als je ziet wat voor enorme fouten er zijn gemaakt en hoeveel geruzie er is geweest tussen de Arubaanse minister van Justitie Rudy Croes aan de ene kant en politie en justitie aan de andere kant, dan is dat schokkend. Als dingen toen wel goed waren opgepakt, zoals het hoort bij een verdwijningszaak, dan was er denk ik veel onheil voorkomen." Emigratie naar Aruba In april 2010 komt psychiater H.A.E. van Gaalen met een psychiatrisch rapport over de persoonlijkheidsstoornis van de inmiddels 23-jarige jongen. Dat is inmiddels vijf jaar na de verdwijning van Natalee en vlak voor de moord op Stephanie Flores. Van Gaalen wijt de persoonlijkheidsstoornis vooral aan de emigratie van Joran op vroege leeftijd vanuit Nederland naar Aruba. Daardoor moest hij afstand nemen van zijn geliefde oma, die achterbleef in Nederland, en voelde hij zich alleen tussen de Papiaments-sprekende kinderen bij wie hij op de kleuterschool zat. Van Gaalen voorspelt dat het helemaal misgaat als er op korte termijn geen ingrijpende stappen worden genomen. En de psychiater kreeg gelijk, want nog geen maand later wordt Joran verdacht van de moord op de Peruaanse Stephanie Flores. Het boek van de misdaadverslaggever geeft de letterlijke verklaring van Joran, die na zijn aanhouding in Chili de moord bekent. "...Ik reageerde impulsief door haar met mijn rechterelleboog een klap te geven, precies op haar neus. Er was overal bloed. Ze leek half buiten bewustzijn. Ik was zo kwaad dat ik haar met beide handen bij haar keel pakte en haar wurgde, een minuut lang. ..." Twee gezichten Joran zit sindsdien vast in de Castro Castro gevangenis in de Peruaanse hoofdstad Lima. Van den Heuvel zocht hem daar op. Het is een jongen met twee gezichten, meent hij. "Ergens is het een jongen waarmee je een gewoon gesprek kunt voeren. Het is geen klassieke gevoelloze boef. Hij kan een wenselijk verhaal vertellen, maar hij kan ook plotseling uit zijn rol vallen en een masker opzetten. In sommige fasen van zijn leven heeft hij zichzelf niet in de hand, waardoor hij dus in zekere zin gevaarlijk kan zijn." Toch lijkt een veroordeling van Joran niet voor honderd procent zeker. Volgens Van den Heuvel is er niet aan elke regel voldaan bij het verhoor. Hij zou geen beëdigd tolk hebben gehad, er zouden hem woorden in de mond worden gelegd en hij zegt misleid te zijn met de belofte aan Aruba te worden uitgeleverd als hij zou tekenen. Van den Heuvel zet dan ook zijn vraagtekens bij het functioneren van de Peruaanse politie. "Er was een enorme wil om hem achter de tralies te krijgen en de zaak van Stephanie Flores op te lossen. Er is niet altijd even zorgvuldig gehandeld. En dan druk ik me voorzichtig uit." Puinzooi Hetzelfde was het geval in 2005, op Aruba. "In de beginfase hadden ze daar wat meer scoringsdrang moeten hebben, want de eerste 48 uur zijn cruciaal. Er zijn cruciale fouten gemaakt. Daarna heeft een incompetente minister van Justitie zich ermee bemoeid, en het werd één grote puinzooi. Andere woorden heb ik er niet voor", aldus de misdaadverslaggever. Tot op heden is de verdwijningszaak van Natalee op Aruba nog niet opgelost. Ook in de zaak Stephanie in Peru is Van den Heuvel er niet zeker van dat hij de beoogde 30 jaar celstraf zal krijgen. Van den Heuvel: "Misschien wordt er straks wel een deal gesloten met het openbaar ministerie in Peru." Het boek 'Jorans Moordmysteries' van John van den Heuvel ligt 19 oktober in de boekhandel.
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He has been on almost every continent impossible: the Dutch Joran van der Sloot. In Aruba, he is suspect in the case of the missing American Natalee Holloway. In America they want to prosecute him for extortion of the parents of Natalee. In Thailand, he would have acted in women and Peru hopes Van der Sloot to condemn the murder of Stephanie Flores.

Reason for a book, thought crime reporter John van den Heuvel. Ever since the disappearance case in Aruba in 2005, Van den Heuvel mesmerized by this young man. His book "Joran Murder Mysteries" will not resolve the murder cases, but gives away salient details. As a previously disclosed confidential police report, but a psychiatric report on the personality of Joran.

The police report dates from 2005 and covers the first forty days after the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. Van den Heuvel calls the report "shocking." "If you look for huge mistakes have been made and how much bickering there was between the Aruban Justice Minister Rudy Croes on one side and law enforcement on the other hand, it is shocking. If things when well were arrested , as it should in a disappearance case, I think there was much suffering prevented. "

Emigration to Aruba
In April 2010, psychiatrist H.A.E. Gaal with a psychiatric report on the personality of the now 23-year-old boy. It is now five years after the disappearance of Natalee and just before the murder of Stephanie Flores. Gaal the personality attributes primarily to the emigration of Joran at an early age from the Netherlands to Aruba. Therefore he had to abandon his beloved grandmother, who remained behind in the Netherlands, and he felt only between the Papiamento-speaking children with whom he in kindergarten Sat

Gaal predicts that if it all goes wrong in the short term, no significant steps are taken. And the psychiatrist was right, for less than a month later, Joran suspected of the murder of the Peruvian Stephanie Flores. The Book of the crime reporter, the literal statement of Joran, who after his arrest in Chile confesses the murder. "... I reacted impulsively by it with my right elbow to give a blow, just like her nose. There was blood everywhere. She seemed half unconscious. I was so angry that I had with both hands grabbed her throat and strangled her , one minute long. ... "

Two faces
Joran's since been stuck in the Castro Castro prison in Lima, Peru. Van den Heuvel met him there. It's a boy with two faces, he says. "Somewhere there's a guy that you just chat. It is not a conventional unfeeling villain. He is an appropriate story, but he can also suddenly its role scope and a mask. In some stages of his life he not control themselves, quite logically, in a sense, dangerous. "

Yet it seems a condemnation of Joran not one hundred percent sure. According to Van den Heuvel is not required at each line of questioning. He would have had no certified interpreter, there were words in his mouth and placed it says deceived with the promise to Aruba to be extradited if he would sign. Van den Heuvel put his question in the functioning of the Peruvian police. "There was a tremendous will to get him behind bars and the case of Stephanie Flores problems. There is not always acted with. And then to say the least."

Mess
The same was true in 2005, in Aruba. "In the beginning they had a bit more scoring drive should have, for the first 48 hours are crucial. There are crucial mistakes. Afterwards an incompetent Minister of Justice it interfered, and it was a big mess. Other words I have not ", the crime reporter. To date, the disappearance of Natalee in Aruba case remain unresolved. In the case in Peru, Stephanie van den Heuvel not sure that he proposed 30 years in prison will get. Van den Heuvel: "Maybe it later signed a deal with the prosecution in Peru."

The book "Joran Murder Mysteries" by John van den Heuvel is in bookstores October 19.

http://www.rnw.nl/caribiana/article/smeuige-details-jorans-moordmysteries


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 15, 2010, 06:29:56 PM
Thanks for bringing the documents over Klaas,  ::MonkeyKiss::

and thank you also to the anonymous monkey that pays the fees for the documents! ::MonkeyAngel::
 ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyCheer2:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::CowboySmiley:: ::monkeywine2:: ::rhino::






Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on October 15, 2010, 06:34:14 PM
Has anyone done any research as to why they picked the particular lawyers,and or law firm that is representing them?What is their connection to Aruba,or anybody associated with Aruba?Who is financing this,and why?TIA


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 15, 2010, 09:47:50 PM
http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=4904&offId=0

24 minuut pasa | Fecha: 15/10/2010 | Horario: 21:20

ATRACO NA OFICINA DI LUCKY NUMBERS DEN CAYA ELEUTERIO "BOES" ORMAN, NAN A BAY CU 1800 FLORIN


Nos lo sigui informa

(http://www.awe24.com/_moblog_items/4904/2_1287192301.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on October 15, 2010, 09:57:10 PM
http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=4904&offId=0

24 minuut pasa | Fecha: 15/10/2010 | Horario: 21:20

ATRACO NA OFICINA DI LUCKY NUMBERS DEN CAYA ELEUTERIO "BOES" ORMAN, NAN A BAY CU 1800 FLORIN


Nos lo sigui informa

(http://www.awe24.com/_moblog_items/4904/2_1287192301.jpg)

I recognize Jacobs but what does the headline say?  You are so good at deciphering papiamento.  

Have to add....I hope Biggest Loser doesn't go to Aruba for contestants....I don't think I could continue to watch.   ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: klaasend on October 15, 2010, 09:57:43 PM
OMG and he outlived PVDS?   ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: klaasend on October 15, 2010, 09:59:39 PM
OK, not that it really means anything but just to keep track of stuff:

Looks like the Gottenbos parents have split up and now the dad Alexander Gottenbos is in Hollywood Florida (I think).

Koen's facebook:  Note no dad, just his mom with a different last name

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=729896308#!/profile.php?id=729896308 (http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=729896308#!/profile.php?id=729896308)

The only Alex or Alexander Gottenbos I can find is in Hollywood, FL


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 15, 2010, 10:06:22 PM
http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=4904&offId=0

24 minuut pasa | Fecha: 15/10/2010 | Horario: 21:20

ATRACO NA OFICINA DI LUCKY NUMBERS DEN CAYA ELEUTERIO "BOES" ORMAN, NAN A BAY CU 1800 FLORIN


Nos lo sigui informa

(http://www.awe24.com/_moblog_items/4904/2_1287192301.jpg)

I recognize Jacobs but what does the headline say?  You are so good at deciphering papiamento.  

Have to add....I hope Biggest Loser doesn't go to Aruba for contestants....I don't think I could continue to watch.   ::MonkeyTongue::

I think it's describing the robbery of the "Lucky Numbers" office.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 15, 2010, 10:20:27 PM
RE:  DOMINO Case

http://www.diario.aw/2010/10/tur-e-sospechosonan-a-indica-cu-nan-no-tabata-sa-cu-e-placa-cambia-na-dollar-ta-placa-di-droga/

Papiamentu translation:

all the sospechosonan owing to indica cu they not was know cu the coin change at dollar, is coin by drugs

publication: diabierna, 15 october 2010.

categoria: judicial

oranjestad(aan): diahuebs at corte did take lugar one caso in cual benito owing to.v.d.b, muskesh h.s, oscar the.c y gilbert therefore.s owing to wordo acusa by labamento by coin. the acusacion is encera cu among 1 by may 2005 y 11 by may 2006, because also among 12 by may 2006 till cu 24 by september 2007, the personanan here was ricibi y change coin, by cual they have to owing to know cu the is procedente by traficacion by drugs or by another crimen.

this is one caso cu is part by the famous caso by “domino”, cu owing to wordo deal enough time happen. the acusacion owing to wordo separa in two period, because cierto leynan by labamento by coin owing to change.

according the acusacion, or.c will owing to change more by 326.599 guilder at banco at dollar before one by the sospechosonan principal by the caso domino esta luis mansur, that at present is sintando her castigo at kia.

g.s owing to wordo acusa cu the was the person at banco, where cu the 326 thousand guilder owing to wordo change. m.s is one hindu cu is owner by some business y past owing to wordo acusa cu the was take thousand by guilder for by one by the sospechosonan principal in the caso domino cu is rafa market ochoa y change this in dollar.

b.b was one ambtenaar by douane y the also was change guilder before dollar before rafa ochoa. advocate duijneveld representando b.b owing to indicate huez on the mature cu past owing to ask before some witness wordo listen in corte y they not owing to wordo invita before come.

fiscal owing to indica cu the peticion owing to come into mucho late y duijneveld is attain cu if past owing to entrega the peticion at hour. huez owing to say cu the peticion owing to wordo entrega one bit late, but the is bay look at if the will can employ one another manner legal, before permiti yet for her testigonan wordo listen.

past owing to say cu the be willing to cuminza cu tratamento by the caso, during by cual the will dicidi if will listen the testigonan after or not. advocate duijneveld owing to say huez cu past owing to word come to anend cu her cliente cu adieu huez not permiti before hear the testigonan, her cliente will do usage by her derecho by remain keto, while cu duijneveld self will sit listen the caso, before after bay corte superior cu the caso.

the advocate owing to say cu apparently the regulation by entrega peticion at hour is more important cu attain know the berdad in the caso here.

huez owing to cuminza at deal the part by the caso cu have by haber cu g.s y or.c., for by the dossier cu be called “santanero”. is so cu investigacion owing to indicate cu or.c was change thousand by guilder by luis mansur at banco before attain dollar.

the suspicion was cu is coin procedente by drugs. or. was change the coin here at banco close g.s. g. owing to admiti cu the was change the coin not totalmente according reglanan by banco. the was change the coin at dollar usando one formula by cambio, where cu the was remain cu one part diminutive by the coin.

before cada 10.000 dollar give at mansur, g. was remain cu 300 guilder. g.s same cu or.c owing to say cu they not was know cu the coin was procedente by traficacion by drugs. or. owing to indica at police cu the was have añanan is work before family by l.m y cu they're amigo.

past owing to say cu the not was wordo pay before change the coin before mansur. according or., was one please by amigo the was do. huez owing to indicate on the mature cu g.s owing to arrive by ask or. if the coin is by drugs y g. owing to say huez cu at dado instant past owing to cuminza sospecha cu quizas algo do not cuadra, because the will owing to look at one news in cual owing to wordo say cu drugs attain on one boat will was by mansur.

huez owing to bise cu is odd if cu past owing to doubt, but so self past owing to follow change guilder at dollar before mansur. g. owing to say cu the was have casi 30 year trahando at banco y so self her salary not was great cos.

door cu the was have quite debt, past owing to dicidi by follow do thing the was do. huez owing to indicate also on the mature cu in one combersacion graba by tap among or.c y g.s, or.c will owing to say g. s cu the will change the coin in two trip, before this not drag atencion.

before thing is the part by benito b., remark by police owing to indica cu at wel wel among another, rafa ochoa was tabata trece thousand by guilder before b.b. huez owing to do various question at b.b, but the not owing to contesta, saying cu the is do usage by her derecho by remain keto.

huez owing to indica cu hour police owing to listra cas by b.b, they owing to encounter cu 101.000 guilder y 18.000 dollar, paketa in rolnan diminutive. at dado instant huez owing to ask duijneveld if the have question before her cliente y past owing to say cu if her cliente not can have one proceso fair in corte, the do not do neither question.

the advocate owing to ask griffier specificamente before anota thing past owing to say.

before thing is the part by m.h.s in the caso here, is so cu the was change guilder before dollar in her business, before rafa market ochoa. the also owing to say cu the not was know cu the coin was procedente by asuntonan by drugs.

according m.s, the business by dje is one business where practicamente only tourist is cumpra. door by esey always the have dollar, but the have cu pay her empleadonan at guilder. mirando this, always the is interesa before person trece guilder pe, before so the can pay the salarionan y cierto another gastonan.

ochoa was give 1 guilder 80 before cada dollar, while cu m.s at banco will owing to attain only 1.77. before ochoa was faborable for her change her florinnan in the business by m.s, because if the will owing to bay cumpra dollar at banco, the have to pay casi 1.83.

this according m.s, that owing to remain bird upstairs cu the not was sospecha cu ochoa will was envolvi in asuntonan by drugs, because always the was bao by the impresion, cu ochoa was one comerciante exitoso.

past owing to say in corte cu past owing to change alrededor by 150.000 dollar before ochoa. fiscal owing to exigi before all sospechoso one castigo condicional by 5 moon. huez owing to dicidi by pospone tratamento by the part by the caso by benito v.d.b before one time indefini, before listen market ochoa because witness.

before thing is muskesh h.s., huez owing to declare pound by all acusacion. before thing is gilbert s. y oscar c., huez owing to declara they pound by intencionalmente wash coin. sinembargo past owing to attain if cu they owing to aid wash coin y cu they have to was more cauteloso. pesey past owing to give they one castigo condicional by 3 moon.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Kermit on October 15, 2010, 10:57:17 PM
Has anyone done any research as to why they picked the particular lawyers,and or law firm that is representing them?What is their connection to Aruba,or anybody associated with Aruba?Who is financing this,and why?TIA

Yeah, we need to find the connections. I have some stuff.



This is AHATA's US attorney (as recently as August 2007)


Mayer, Brown, Rowe & Maw LLP


Here is a link to their most recent court case for their client

http://dockets.justia.com/docket/court-ctdce/case_no-3:2007cv01297/case_id-78822/

Here is the K brothers Chicago attorneys firm

Cremer, Kopon, Shaughnessy & Spina, L LC



Mayer Brown Rowe & Maw Llp
230 South Lasalle Street
Chicago, IL 60604-1404
http://www.mayerbrown.com
Industry: Legal service
Revenue: $500M - $1B in sales
Employees: 1,000 - 2,500 employees
http://center.spoke.com/info/c4G5V/MayerBrownRoweMawLlp
___________________________________________

THEY (both law firms) ARE INTO SECURITY- FINANCIAL ASSETS
We represent commercial banks, investment banks
http://www.mayerbrown.com/securitization/overview/index.asp
_________________________________________________________________
THEY (both law firms) ARE BOTH LAW FIRMS THAT SPONSOR CRISTO REY NETWORK WHICH WAS FEATURED ON A 60 MINUTES PROGRAM

CHICAGO, IL) CRISTO REY JESUIT HIGH SCHOOL (2007-2008)

Cremer Kopon Shaughnessy & Spina, LLC
Mayer, Brown, Rowe & Maw LLP (3)
http://www.cristoreynetwork.org/Corporate/list.shtml
http://tinyurl.com/25tl2a
_______________________________

BOTH Contributed $500-9999 to Cristo Rey Network
http://tinyurl.com/2964pn
___________________________________
BOTH are also doners to DePaul University
www.law.depaul.edu/applicants/pdf/admission_brochure.pdf -
____________________________
BOTH ARE PATENT ATTORNEY'S:

Hoerman, Timothy
Cremer Kopon Shaughnessy and Spina, LLC
Chicago IL US 60601
Attorney

Speer, Richard
Mayer, Brown, Rowe & Maw LLP
Chicago IL US 60690-2828
Attorney
http://www.patentattorney-north.com/attorneys_by_state/attorneys_illinois.html


Mayer, Brown, Rowe & Maw LLP + aruba google

De Varax, Matthieu, Mayer Brown Rowe & Maw LLP, Mayer, Brown, Rowe & Maw LLP hires ..... on the tourism presentation given by the Aruba Hotel and Tourism . ...www.zoominfo.com/people/level2page9481.aspx - 119k


Kirschner; Defendant: Grant Thornton LLP, Mayer Brown Rowe & Maw LLP, Ernst & Young .... Plaintiff: Aruba Hotel Enterprises NV; Defendant: Michael Belfonti, ...dockets.justia.com/search?q=Capital+holdings - 132k

Anguilla; Antigua and Barbuda; Aruba; Bahamas; Barbados .... Rdiger Herrmann, partner, Mayer Brown Rowe & Maw LLP, will lead this interactive workshop ...
beta.silobreaker.com/View360.aspx?Item=11_9587019 - 177k





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Kermit on October 15, 2010, 11:00:13 PM
JORAN STATES HE TOOK NATALEE TO HIS HOME AT 1:40 AM AND HE HAD SEX WITH HER
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNM32lS81Zc
__________________________________________

BETH: HE HAD SEX WITH MY DAUGHTER
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNM32lS81Zc
This is backed up with Dompig's statement that “we now believe they went back to VDS home.”
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006...644_page5.shtml





BETH: Oh, yes, Geraldo. You know when I heard you state
that Joran is still stating that he had no involvement with her
disappearance but something that Jug and Dave, Natalee’s
father and I have had knowledge of since early in July, so
we have Joran’s statements. We have had them translated
for us, and we have at least five. You know, Geraldo, what
has been so difficult for us is that we have had this knowledge
that Joran has admitted to having sex with Natalee AT HIS HOME as she is coming in and out of consciousness. You know we
have protected the integrity of the investigation because we felt that
was the professional way to handle this but you know when we
have been slapped in the face by the Dutch government and . . .

GERALDO: You say that Van der Sloot admits in his police
statement that he is having sex with your daughter, whom
I believe was a virgin before she went to Aruba, as she lapses
in and out of consciousness?

BETH: Absolutely Geraldo.

GERALDO: Isn’t there a law , as I recall, one of the things
the Kalpoe brothers were suspected of in the porno tapes that
they did with the 14 year old was having sex with someone
with whom did not have the capacity to give consent. Its seems
to me that if your daughter was phasing in and out of
consciousness she can not legally consent to have sex.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ko3XpZOBod0


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on October 15, 2010, 11:01:49 PM
Thanks Kermit! ::MonkeyCool::

De Varax, Matthieu, Mayer Brown Rowe & Maw LLP, Mayer, Brown, Rowe & Maw LLP hires ..... on the tourism presentation given by the Aruba Hotel and Tourism . ...www.zoominfo.com/people/level2page9481.aspx - 119k


Is there an explanation of what the presentation was?One would think that you wouldn't need attorneys for tourism.Wouldn't that be left to the marketing dept? ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 15, 2010, 11:05:32 PM
Ribbit!

Kermit ... could the lighthouse/Arashi Beach have been the location where "something bad" happened.

Thoughts?

Janet

++++++

<snipped>



.... or could the "something bad" have happened at the van der Sloot residence and ... Natalee was taken to the lighthouse/Arashi Beach ... not the Marriot Beach?

Janet

++++++


Deepak Kalpoe - Suspect Statement - June 13, 2005

After that the family wanted us to go with the police to show them the route we drove. Joran's father refused. I also said no. After that the police officers said it was nonsense to drive out to the light house at that moment in time. The family then asked if we could go to the Holiday Inn to point out the security guard that worked there to the police.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=182.0


Janet is there a quote by Beth after she and Greta visited the van der Sloots home the first time wherein she stated that she *felt* that Natalee had been in that home?

<snipped>


Kermit

Beth claims that she saw a declaration where Joran states that Natalee was taken to the van der Sloot residence and a sexual encounter occured.  In her book Beth identifies Joran's June 13th suspect as the source. 

+++++++.

'The Abrams Report' for Sept. 14th
updated 9/15/2005 11:21:45 AM ET


BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY‘S MOTHER:  You know, I‘ve seen several of Joran‘s statements and I don‘t know why he was released.  I hope that these statements were not withheld from evidence presented before the judge of instruction because they are hugely, hugely showing his involvement in this crime against Natalee.  I mean he has her coming in and out of consciousness, repeatedly throughout his statements.  You know he admits to bringing her to his home and even gives a date and a time, 1:40 a.m. on May the 30th, and has sex with her in his home.  You know, I just hope those statements made it before the judge of instruction.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9353948/


JORAN 06/13/2005 STATEMENT
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=175.0


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 15, 2010, 11:15:01 PM
Klaas

Thank you for posting the updated document pertaining to the defamation lawsuit.

A special thank you to whoever is providing the forum with all these documents.

Janet



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on October 15, 2010, 11:15:48 PM
OK, not that it really means anything but just to keep track of stuff:

Looks like the Gottenbos parents have split up and now the dad Alexander Gottenbos is in Hollywood Florida (I think).

Koen's facebook:  Note no dad, just his mom with a different last name

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=729896308#!/profile.php?id=729896308 (http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=729896308#!/profile.php?id=729896308)

The only Alex or Alexander Gottenbos I can find is in Hollywood, FL

Thanks, Klaas.....guess both parents might find Koen behind their couch moving forward......or in their bed!!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on October 15, 2010, 11:18:38 PM
http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=4904&offId=0

24 minuut pasa | Fecha: 15/10/2010 | Horario: 21:20

ATRACO NA OFICINA DI LUCKY NUMBERS DEN CAYA ELEUTERIO "BOES" ORMAN, NAN A BAY CU 1800 FLORIN


Nos lo sigui informa

(http://www.awe24.com/_moblog_items/4904/2_1287192301.jpg)

I recognize Jacobs but what does the headline say?  You are so good at deciphering papiamento.  

Have to add....I hope Biggest Loser doesn't go to Aruba for contestants....I don't think I could continue to watch.   ::MonkeyTongue::

I think it's describing the robbery of the "Lucky Numbers" office.

Thank you, TM....
 ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: San on October 15, 2010, 11:36:39 PM
http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=4904&offId=0

24 minuut pasa | Fecha: 15/10/2010 | Horario: 21:20

ATRACO NA OFICINA DI LUCKY NUMBERS DEN CAYA ELEUTERIO "BOES" ORMAN, NAN A BAY CU 1800 FLORIN


Nos lo sigui informa

(http://www.awe24.com/_moblog_items/4904/2_1287192301.jpg)

Look at that picture.  This POS is still living.  I wait for the day when they announce he dropped dead.  ::MonkeyShovel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 16, 2010, 12:55:26 AM
Beth Holloway:

Jan van der Stratten is corrupt to the core of his existence.  He just doesn't deserve any more words..


http://scaredmonkeysradio.com/2008/02/13/scared-monkeys-radio-daily-commentary-wednesday-february-13-2008-tonights-dana-pretzer-show-to-be-one-of-the-hardest-hitting-shows-to-date/


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 16, 2010, 12:56:22 AM
Good Night Monkeys.

Janet
10:00 PM PT


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Tibrogargan on October 16, 2010, 01:12:29 AM
http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=4904&offId=0

24 minuut pasa | Fecha: 15/10/2010 | Horario: 21:20

ATRACO NA OFICINA DI LUCKY NUMBERS DEN CAYA ELEUTERIO "BOES" ORMAN, NAN A BAY CU 1800 FLORIN


Nos lo sigui informa

(http://www.awe24.com/_moblog_items/4904/2_1287192301.jpg)

Look at that picture.  This POS is still living.  I wait for the day when they announce he dropped dead.  ::MonkeyShovel::


from malnutrition?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 16, 2010, 04:55:56 AM
OK, not that it really means anything but just to keep track of stuff:

Looks like the Gottenbos parents have split up and now the dad Alexander Gottenbos is in Hollywood Florida (I think).

Koen's facebook:  Note no dad, just his mom with a different last name

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=729896308#!/profile.php?id=729896308 (http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=729896308#!/profile.php?id=729896308)

The only Alex or Alexander Gottenbos I can find is in Hollywood, FL

Verberne, Renita's maiden name?

I'd intended to go back and check on some of this more when I came across a Facebook page that Renita was posting on a while ago...forgot about it and now the FB page has gone poof...but I'd saved enough to find some information.

(http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/profile-ak-snc4/object3/1366/53/n121133311011_3727.jpg)

https://secure.sos.state.ga.us/myverification/Details.aspx?agency_id=1&license_id=1028577&

Prior Owners

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Gottenbos/PatricksofAtlantaDaySpaSalonPatrickCoffey.jpg)

https://secure.sos.state.ga.us/myverification/Details.aspx?agency_id=1&license_id=1175603&

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Gottenbos/PatricksofAtlantaDaySpaSalon1.jpg)

https://secure.sos.state.ga.us/myverification/Details.aspx?agency_id=1&license_id=1175588&

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Gottenbos/PatricksofAtlantaDaySpaSalon2.jpg)

https://secure.sos.state.ga.us/myverification/Details.aspx?agency_id=1&license_id=1194710&

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Gottenbos/PatricksofAtlantaDaySpaSalon3.jpg)

October 2008?

http://www.patricksofatlanta.com/patricks1008.pdf

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Gottenbos/PatricksofAtlanta_NewOwners_Oct2008.jpg)



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 16, 2010, 05:14:54 AM
http://www.gwinnettcourts.com/#casedetail/case:10%2dc%2d05723%2ds2/

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Gottenbos/Gottenbos_Lawsuit_20101.jpg)(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Gottenbos/Gottenbos_Lawsuit_20102.jpg)

:    10-C-05723-S2        Case Date:    Tuesday, April 13, 2010
Case Type:    STATE COURT GENERAL CIVIL        Case Category:    CONTRACT

Disposition Manner:   
Jury Trial Demand:           Filing Type:    Complaint
Official:    Judge Randy Rich        :   
 
  Party Information ( Top )   
    
Parties          Attorneys (Associated To Parties)
2003 Riverside Parkway Llc    -  Plaintiff
       
Gottenbos, Alexander    -  Defendant
Summons:   4/14/2010 Monday, April 19, 2010 Personal Service Sheriff
       
Mills, Steven M    ( 509772 )
Attorney Type:   Attorney For Defendant
Attorney Phone:   (770) 513-8111
Gottenbos, Renita    -  Defendant
Summons:   4/14/2010 Monday, April 19, 2010 Notorious Service Sheriff  Srvd: Alexander Gottenbos, Husband
       
Poole, Zachary R    ( 513713 )
Attorney Type:   Attorney For Defendant
Attorney Phone:   (770) 513-8111
 
  Attorney Information ( Top )   
    
Sleister, Michael R       (004110)    -  Attorney For Plaintiff   (770) 887-7761
 
  Documents ( Top )Document images may be obtained at the court house   
    

04/13/2010 - Gen Civil Case Filing Info Form - Attorney For Plaintiff
04/20/2010 - Sheriff's Entry Of Service
04/20/2010 - Sheriff's Entry Of Service
05/18/2010 - Answer - Attorney For Defendant
Filed By: 2003 Riverside Parkway Llc
Filed By: Gottenbos, Renita
05/18/2010 - Jury Demand - Attorney For Defendant
07/15/2010 - Certificate Of Service Of Discovry - Attorney For Defendant
07/19/2010 - Certificate Of Service Of Discovry - Attorney For Defendant

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&biw=1024&bih=653&q=2003+Riverside+Parkway+Llc&btnG=Google+Search&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=C4xlJh2u5TPY2pebKBMTDwf0JAAAAqgQFT9DJ0pw


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 16, 2010, 05:16:45 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Gottenbos/KosanjeLLC_AlexGottenbos.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Gottenbos/KosanjeLLC_AlexGottenbos2.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 16, 2010, 05:24:15 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/0_21_350_holloway_natalee.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/StephanyFlores_takentoosoon-1.jpg)

JUSTICE FOR NATALEE
AND STEPHANY!



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Sharon/Tx on October 16, 2010, 06:33:06 AM
Sharon/TX.  Congratulations on your newest Grandbaby.  Glad to hear she was safely delivered.   ::MonkeyAngel::

Thank you Can!  I appreciate that!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Ono on October 16, 2010, 09:30:17 AM
They thought it would be so easy and by "they" I mean those in Aruba that are backing the Kalpoes in this ridiculous suit. They figured Dr. Phil and CBS would settle out of court years ago.  Now they are not only in jeopardy of losing and getting zilch but they will likely be ordered to pay the defense costs.

Now that is KARMA with a capital K  ::MonkeyDevil::


 ::MonkeyJnBox::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Ono on October 16, 2010, 09:36:04 AM
OK, not that it really means anything but just to keep track of stuff:

Looks like the Gottenbos parents have split up and now the dad Alexander Gottenbos is in Hollywood Florida (I think).

Koen's facebook:  Note no dad, just his mom with a different last name

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=729896308#!/profile.php?id=729896308 (http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=729896308#!/profile.php?id=729896308)

The only Alex or Alexander Gottenbos I can find is in Hollywood, FL

Interesting ...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: klaasend on October 16, 2010, 10:03:35 AM
http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=4913&offId=0

police owing to captura ladronnan during madruga at tanki leendert, owing to detene one choller female y one choller americano

saturday madruga owing to come into informe by cu have ladronnan is hortando at one cas at tanki leendert, at once owing to dirigi one patrol at the sitio. at caminda for her sitio owing to make a note one pickup sospechoso y owing to bay pare. at instant cu owing to pare 3 sospechoso owing to try huy but police owing to succeed captura 2 by they, one is one choller female y the another is one choller americano. come across

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/ChollarsArrested101507.jpg)


This American Chollar resembles Joran's buddy John Ludwick  ::MonkeyCool::

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/JohnLudwickJoran.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 16, 2010, 10:33:50 AM
http://scaredmonkeys.com/2010/10/15/whoopi-goldberg-joy-behar-walk-off-the-liberal-view-after-bill-oreilly-states-facts/#comments

Steve Holloway on October 15th, 2010 10:27 pm
That’s why I turned down going on Joys show, because she is a lib and I did not want to help her rating one inch. I know it was about Joran but could not get past helping a libs show do good.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: SuzieQ on October 16, 2010, 10:48:20 AM
http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=4913&offId=0

police owing to captura ladronnan during madruga at tanki leendert, owing to detene one choller female y one choller americano

saturday madruga owing to come into informe by cu have ladronnan is hortando at one cas at tanki leendert, at once owing to dirigi one patrol at the sitio. at caminda for her sitio owing to make a note one pickup sospechoso y owing to bay pare. at instant cu owing to pare 3 sospechoso owing to try huy but police owing to succeed captura 2 by they, one is one choller female y the another is one choller americano. come across

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/ChollarsArrested101507.jpg)


This American Chollar resembles Joran's buddy John Ludwick  ::MonkeyCool::

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/JohnLudwickJoran.jpg)


It does. The eyes are right, wish I could see his ears.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: klaasend on October 16, 2010, 10:50:13 AM
http://scaredmonkeys.com/2010/10/15/whoopi-goldberg-joy-behar-walk-off-the-liberal-view-after-bill-oreilly-states-facts/#comments

Steve Holloway on October 15th, 2010 10:27 pm
That’s why I turned down going on Joys show, because she is a lib and I did not want to help her rating one inch. I know it was about Joran but could not get past helping a libs show do good.

No offense to Steve Holloway (Dave's brother I believe) but I find this hard to believe.  How many times have we seen Dave's brothers on TV talking about the case and why would she go after him?  Sorry, don't believe it.  Steve Holloway is quite active on the SM front page on the political posts.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on October 16, 2010, 10:57:50 AM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_79645.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

New prosecutors: "A dynamic duo

October 15, 2010, 13:34 (GMT -04:00)

(http://www.amigoe.com/artman/uploads/officieren-van-justitie.gif)
Officers Vreneli Vreeling (left) and Lars Stempher the office of the Public Prosecutor.

ORANGE CITY - Full of energy and enthusiasm is from Rotterdam Vreneli Adrienne Vreeling (34) simultaneously in the Deventer Stempher Lars (1936) by Oct. 1 started as a prosecutor at the Public Prosecutor (OM). Both have the training Judicial Officer in Training (Raio) successfully completed and extensive experience as an officer.

by our reporter
Alex Lacle

Both officers may not bring cases to court. They must first be sworn in yet. When this occurs swearing is not yet known but will not be long in coming, so expect the OM. In the meantime, the new officers deal with acquaintances with all government departments and what they go together. Moreover, they take the files by which they will soon become a full officer will try and treat their fellow officers whenever possible to relieve.

Vreeling as public prosecutor at the District Office of Den Bosch experience in the field of domestic violence. A new discipline within the Aruban prosecutor and that therefore its portfolio ended. Specifies the PPS demonstrates its concerns about this issue and all related crimes. "It's more of a criminal than people often think," says Vreeling. "Hence in the Netherlands research has shown that a large number of murders resulting from domestic violence." As an extreme example she cites the case of Richard H. This guy living in Zoetermeer in 2005 brought his wife and children were killed. Vreeling case officer was. "Richard was first reported by the disappearance of his wife and daughters. The investigation showed quickly that he had them in his own home and then killed in a forest in Brabant was buried. "It is a matter that" in all facets impressed "made to the officer. When the court in The Hague was the man sentenced to life imprisonment, according to the requirement of the OM. On appeal, the punishment of the man was reduced to 20 years with TBS.

 
::monkeyscissors::

BBM

Swearing at the prosecutor, nothing new....

 :roll:



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on October 16, 2010, 11:00:12 AM
DENIED! ::MonkeyGavel::


(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/K2Minute100710a.jpg)


(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/K2MInute100710b.jpg)

Bring on the banana dancers!

 ::bananadance:: ::bananadance:: ::bananadance:: ::bananadance:: ::bananadance:: ::bananadance:: ::bananadance:: ::bananadance:: ::bananadance:: ::bananadance:: ::bananadance::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on October 16, 2010, 11:05:10 AM
HEY DEEPAK & SATISH - JUDGEMENT DAY IS ALMOST HERE!

(http://img708.imageshack.us/img708/4008/deepakgloating.png)

Miami, Florida?  I guess he is ashamed of where he is from. 

How did he have so much trouble getting into the US if he is in Miami?

Am I just having trouble keeping track of the lies in this case?

 ::MonkeyConfused::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on October 16, 2010, 11:08:29 AM
They thought it would be so easy and by "they" I mean those in Aruba that are backing the Kalpoes in this ridiculous suit. They figured Dr. Phil and CBS would settle out of court years ago.  Now they are not only in jeopardy of losing and getting zilch but they will likely be ordered to pay the defense costs.

Now that is KARMA with a capital K  ::MonkeyDevil::


       (http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j120/Bearlyhere/Funny/Karma.gif)




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on October 16, 2010, 11:10:07 AM
They thought it would be so easy and by "they" I mean those in Aruba that are backing the Kalpoes in this ridiculous suit. They figured Dr. Phil and CBS would settle out of court years ago.  Now they are not only in jeopardy of losing and getting zilch but they will likely be ordered to pay the defense costs.

Now that is KARMA with a capital K  ::MonkeyDevil::


 ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::

   
    (http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j120/Bearlyhere/Funny/dance-1.gif)



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on October 16, 2010, 11:14:52 AM
They thought it would be so easy and by "they" I mean those in Aruba that are backing the Kalpoes in this ridiculous suit. They figured Dr. Phil and CBS would settle out of court years ago.  Now they are not only in jeopardy of losing and getting zilch but they will likely be ordered to pay the defense costs.

Now that is KARMA with a capital K  ::MonkeyDevil::

So who is backing them & paying Kalpoes attorneys?



That is the million dollar question.  There have been so many morally corrupt people who's names have been referenced in the case it's hard to choose  ::MonkeyCool::


BBM

If each one chipped in a dollar, they would have plenty of money.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on October 16, 2010, 11:27:37 AM
Thanks for bringing the documents over Klaas,  ::MonkeyKiss::

and thank you also to the anonymous monkey that pays the fees for the documents! ::MonkeyAngel::
 ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyCheer2:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::CowboySmiley:: ::monkeywine2:: ::rhino::






Yes, thanks, Klaas and Anonymonkey!

 ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyGavel::


Justice, churned slowly is that much sweeter.

 ::MonkeyJustice:: ::MonkeyJustice:: ::MonkeyJustice::




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on October 16, 2010, 11:34:04 AM
Has anyone done any research as to why they picked the particular lawyers,and or law firm that is representing them?What is their connection to Aruba,or anybody associated with Aruba?Who is financing this,and why?TIA


I don't know, but from what I understand, these are their last clients:


                                (http://www.cartoonstock.com/lowres/mly0427l.jpg)


Good to see you, KTF!

 ::CowboySmiley::





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on October 16, 2010, 11:41:42 AM
http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=4904&offId=0

24 minuut pasa | Fecha: 15/10/2010 | Horario: 21:20

ATRACO NA OFICINA DI LUCKY NUMBERS DEN CAYA ELEUTERIO "BOES" ORMAN, NAN A BAY CU 1800 FLORIN


Nos lo sigui informa

(http://www.awe24.com/_moblog_items/4904/2_1287192301.jpg)

I recognize Jacobs but what does the headline say?  You are so good at deciphering papiamento.  

Have to add....I hope Biggest Loser doesn't go to Aruba for contestants....I don't think I could continue to watch.   ::MonkeyTongue::

It says, 'People line up to complain about shortage, after bringing in man suspected of eating all the Frosted Flakes in Aruba.  Citizens angry because it shut down the whole police department, as a Frosted Flake break is written into their contract.  Story at 11. 

 ::MonkeyShovel:: ::MonkeyShovel::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 16, 2010, 03:33:28 PM
http://scaredmonkeys.com/2010/10/15/whoopi-goldberg-joy-behar-walk-off-the-liberal-view-after-bill-oreilly-states-facts/#comments

Steve Holloway on October 15th, 2010 10:27 pm
That’s why I turned down going on Joys show, because she is a lib and I did not want to help her rating one inch. I know it was about Joran but could not get past helping a libs show do good.

No offense to Steve Holloway (Dave's brother I believe) but I find this hard to believe.  How many times have we seen Dave's brothers on TV talking about the case and why would she go after him?  Sorry, don't believe it.  Steve Holloway is quite active on the SM front page on the political posts.

If Steve had appeared on the Joy Bahar Show ... maybe he could have shed some light regarding the ongoing search in Aruban waters for the remains of Natalee.  I may be wrong but ... my impression is that Steve is one with the contention of the the Aruban enemy ... the contention that his niece's remains were not the contents of the trap recovered by only Aruban divers on January 7, 2008.

Janet

++++++


Dr. Phil Attorneys Use Scared Monkeys Natalee Holloway Posts as Exhibit in Court Docs Against Deepak & Satish Kalpoes
Posted July 12, 2008 by Scared Monkeys


Comments:

61.  Steve Holloway on July 14th, 2008 9:07 am

I want every body to know that Dave still wants the water search to continue. Their are over 170 targets that have to be looked at.

The fund raiser needs to start soon. An idea I talked with him about is maybe a ebay auction. A large picture of Natalee would go to the highest bidder with all funds going toward this boat search. There could be different auctions spaced out with different picture’s. I just talked with him about this idea, so its not a done deal.

God Bless

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2008/07/12/dr-phil-attorneys-use-scared-monkeys-natalee-holloway-posts-as-exhibit-in-court-docs-against-deepak-satish-kalpoes/


Debbie
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
« Reply #598 on: June 18, 2009, 11:29:24 PM »


Okay... there was/is no conspiracy with the Persistence.  Louis, John, Tim and Dave are trying to get the funds to complete the search on the targets.... they are working together. 
 
Slam me, bash me, I don't care, but it is the truth.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5127.msg845027;topicseen#msg845027


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: klaasend on October 16, 2010, 03:36:25 PM
http://scaredmonkeys.com/2010/10/15/whoopi-goldberg-joy-behar-walk-off-the-liberal-view-after-bill-oreilly-states-facts/#comments

Steve Holloway on October 15th, 2010 10:27 pm
That’s why I turned down going on Joys show, because she is a lib and I did not want to help her rating one inch. I know it was about Joran but could not get past helping a libs show do good.

No offense to Steve Holloway (Dave's brother I believe) but I find this hard to believe.  How many times have we seen Dave's brothers on TV talking about the case and why would she go after him?  Sorry, don't believe it.  Steve Holloway is quite active on the SM front page on the political posts.

If Steve had appeared on the Joy Bahar Show ... maybe he could have shed some light regarding the ongoing search in Aruban waters for the remains of Natalee.  I may be wrong but ... my impression is that Steve is one with the contention of the the Aruban enemy ... the contention that his niece's remains were not the contents of the trap recovered by only Aruban divers on January 7, 2008.

Janet

++++++


Dr. Phil Attorneys Use Scared Monkeys Natalee Holloway Posts as Exhibit in Court Docs Against Deepak & Satish Kalpoes
Posted July 12, 2008 by Scared Monkeys


Comments:

61.  Steve Holloway on July 14th, 2008 9:07 am

I want every body to know that Dave still wants the water search to continue. Their are over 170 targets that have to be looked at.

The fund raiser needs to start soon. An idea I talked with him about is maybe a ebay auction. A large picture of Natalee would go to the highest bidder with all funds going toward this boat search. There could be different auctions spaced out with different picture’s. I just talked with him about this idea, so its not a done deal.

God Bless

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2008/07/12/dr-phil-attorneys-use-scared-monkeys-natalee-holloway-posts-as-exhibit-in-court-docs-against-deepak-satish-kalpoes/


Debbie
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
« Reply #598 on: June 18, 2009, 11:29:24 PM »


Okay... there was/is no conspiracy with the Persistence.  Louis, John, Tim and Dave are trying to get the funds to complete the search on the targets.... they are working together. 
 
Slam me, bash me, I don't care, but it is the truth.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5127.msg845027;topicseen#msg845027


Janet - yes, maybe he could have but it was more important for him not to help a "Libs" ratings.  Since I can't believe he is that shallow, I choose to believe it's all BS.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 16, 2010, 03:40:37 PM
Klaas ... you could be right.

Grandma ... when do you get to hold that precious little girl again.  I bet your arms are aching.

 ::MonkeyAngel::

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: klaasend on October 16, 2010, 03:43:50 PM
Klaas ... you could be right.

Grandma ... when do you get to hold that precious little girl again.  I bet your arms are aching.

 ::MonkeyAngel::

Janet

Not until Christmas.  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 16, 2010, 03:51:40 PM
Klaas ... you could be right.

Grandma ... when do you get to hold that precious little girl again.  I bet your arms are aching.

 ::MonkeyAngel::

Janet

Not until Christmas.  ::MonkeyCool::

Above seventy more sleeps!

  ::teddybear::


Baby's First Christmas

It's baby's first Christmas,
It's something to see,
Mommy and Daddy,
Trimming baby's Christmas tree,
It's a very special Christmas,
A blessing from above,
It's baby's first Christmas,
A Christmas full of love'

Connie Francis


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 16, 2010, 06:31:18 PM
As a united force Kyle Kingman and Tim Miller have the ability to do right and expose the Persistence betrayal ... the ability to bring pressure upon those within the Aruban/Dutch administration who have prevented justice from prevailing for Natalee Holloway to do right.

Justice demands the charade ceases ... the charade in regards to an ongoing search in Aruban waters for Natalee Holloway.  An awakening from the neverending nightmare that her family has been enduring for 5 1/2 years is in the balance.

Janet

++++++


NATALEE DESERVES

'The Abrams Report' for July 1
updated 7/6/2005 10:47:38 AM ET


BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S MOTHER:  We cannot forget to demand and expect to have Natalee. Natalee deserves to return to her country. She deserves it, and everyone knows it, every single person. Every single person knows that. They know it.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8485029/


ALL WE WANT IS NATALEE

'Scarborough Country' for July 14
updated 7/15/2005 11:45:26 AM ET


JUG TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S STEPFATHER:  Beth and I have been through this emotional roller coaster. And all we want is Natalee, whether she's alive or dead.  We want to bring her back to the United States, and they can do whatever they want to do.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8551824/


PLEASE CONSIDER

Beth Holloway Twitty Finally Says it, “Don’t Travel To Aruba.”
Posted September 12, 2005 by Scared Monkeys

Geraldo at Large - September 17, 2005


BETH: The main thing that we would like to ask right now is to please, please just consider not traveling to Aruba or within the Dutch Kingdom and territory
until Natalee is returned to her country, because they can absolutely make this happen, Geraldo.

Transcript - ?

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2005/09/12/beth-holloway-twitty-finally-says-it-dont-travel-to-aruba/


NO RELEVANCE

oceanexploration
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #739 3/3 -
« Reply #79 on: March 03, 2008, 05:47:47 PM »


Several hours of footage were of other (ROV) dives on other targets. None were of any relevance. Most targets were of peculiar coral pinnacles, man-made debris, and ship wrecks.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2668.msg360047;topicseen#msg360047


NO POTENTIAL INTEREST

Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words

Kyle Kingman:
The logs are in a safe somewhere. John and Ryan Poff (one of John's project managers) knows where it is. I can't get copies of the logs at this time. Perhaps in a few months. The target locations are in the safe, although I also have them in a safe spot.  I don't care about the other targets though. I don't think any of it is of any potential interest. Mainly junk, coral, and debris. (06/28/08)

Kermit - Scared Monkeys



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 16, 2010, 08:37:56 PM
Exposure of ALL ROV images that captured the contents of the trap discovered in Aruban waters through the Persistence endeavor could be the catalyst that implies Aruban justice for Natalee Holloway will prevail.  Pressure by Americans through the American media will demand it.

Paulus' enfamous words NO BODY; NO CASE will not longer apply.

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Holloway Case Conviction No Slam Dunk
Under Aruban Law, Suspect's Own Words Can't Be Used Against Him
By JEFFREY KOFMAN
Feb. 4, 2008

 
It will be difficult under Aruban law for prosecutors to build a case against Joran Van der Sloot in the Natalee Holloway case, according to Nico Jörg, Aruba's advocate general, and acting attorney general.

<snipped>

Jörg emphasized that there are fundamental differences between the laws of the United States and laws in Aruba. For example, there is no trial by jury in this tiny island nation of just 103,000 citizens. All trials are by judge only. A suspect's own words can't be used to implicate him or her, and there is no such thing as perjury for a suspect in Aruba.

http://abcnews.go.com/International/Story?id=4240906&page=1



(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/trapdiag.jpg)



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 16, 2010, 08:51:05 PM
Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words

Kyle Kingman:
  Dateline (Tim Uelinger) had an agreement with Tim Miller to 'do a story to tell about and help promote TES and give TM recognition, and perhaps a 10 minute side-line story on Natalee along with 11 other missing persons. Dateline tagged along with TM for a while pre-NH search. They (TM and Dateline) came on the Persistence between 15-Dec and 30-Dec. I found the trap on 1:45am Christmas morning. I got the OK to begin our ROV dive series for the 29th, so I made it our first dive. We got visual of the fish trap and that it was suspicious. Basically, the fish trap door was open and there appeared to be a skull and torso-shape in sand on the door inside the trap Reviewing the 29-Dec video I noticed the torso shape in sand had a 90 degree angle and that the sand was supported from falling through the bottom of the trap, which was slightly excavated by currents. I proportioned out the distance from the top of the head, to shoulder, to that 90 degree angle and it was a match to Natalee's photo of her standing -head, to shoulder, to the end of her denim skirt. I showed TM the proportional match and the possibility of a skirt under the sand and he said he's going to tell the parents. I said definitely not until we sample the trap and get results. He made the call to Dave and Beth independently.

Kermit - Scared Monkeys


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: klaasend on October 16, 2010, 09:38:30 PM
http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=4913&offId=0

police owing to captura ladronnan during madruga at tanki leendert, owing to detene one choller female y one choller americano

saturday madruga owing to come into informe by cu have ladronnan is hortando at one cas at tanki leendert, at once owing to dirigi one patrol at the sitio. at caminda for her sitio owing to make a note one pickup sospechoso y owing to bay pare. at instant cu owing to pare 3 sospechoso owing to try huy but police owing to succeed captura 2 by they, one is one choller female y the another is one choller americano. come across

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/ChollarsArrested101507.jpg)


This American Chollar resembles Joran's buddy John Ludwick  ::MonkeyCool::

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/JohnLudwickJoran.jpg)


It does. The eyes are right, wish I could see his ears.

I still say it looks like him.  Same facial structure and everything.  Just looks like he lost a little weight and his hair has grown:

http://www.24ora.com/policial-mainmenu-8/23103-polis-ta-persigui-y-gara-ladronnan-di-frigidaire-den-hato.html (http://www.24ora.com/policial-mainmenu-8/23103-polis-ta-persigui-y-gara-ladronnan-di-frigidaire-den-hato.html)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/AmericanChollar.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 16, 2010, 10:18:25 PM
Food for Thought

private eye
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #708 12/28
« Reply #848 on: December 30, 2007, 07:50:41 PM »

 
This may be an old subject, and if it is please forgive me.

What would you do if you were Beth and a body in a crab trap is found?

Turn it over to the Aruban authorities?

Turn it over to the FBI?

Closure vs Risk of magically turning blood into chocolate

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2481.msg323171#msg323171



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 16, 2010, 10:32:17 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_79710.php

Google translation

Research on internal organization Aruba House

October 16, 2010, 15:39 (GMT -04:00)

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ORANGE CITY THE HAGUE - The leaking of an account by a member of the House Aruba is not an isolated incident. "It's already happened at least four times that internal documents come out. We're doing an internal investigation in order to clarify this, "said House director Desiree Croes Aruba from the Netherlands.

Croes emphasizes that it is confidential. "We have no secret documents and we find that the disclosure of documents must also be allowed. But it is not intended that documents with sensitive content, such as contracts or minutes of meetings, should be placed on the street. This is utterly evil. "Aruban media reported earlier this week that two employees at the Aruba House has taken disciplinary action. This was basically a forwarding account to the media about renting the house from the trustee Minister Edwin Abath (AVP).
According to the director of Aruba House is the leakage of documents have been many. "The first time, I assumed that it was a mistake. But then it happened again, I knew that something had to be based. It looks like some people have bad intentions. "She greatly regrets this. "You think you all want to go the same direction and it is painful to note that this is not the case." Abath said earlier this week even though in slightly different words. "We are working hard and still have much to do. Aruba House does a lot of good things for Aruba in the Netherlands and let us not break our own internal organization. "

Research

The Aruba House is an internal investigation launched, says Croes. "The Trustee Ministry has commissioned the research. We want to know who leaked the documents and understand the causes. We are not so much the content of the documents, but for the fact that some people here think that they are in this manner work may go. "Abath let himself outraged at the fact that people employed by the Aruban government do something like that. "It is unacceptable. We want to know if the person or persons who have or have done this systematically and with premeditation did or that something else is based. "

The lease document that recently came out was by one employee to another and given to the press arrived. According to Croes is the employee who took away the paper for two weeks suspended. "Until the investigation is taking place, this employee again just after the suspension to work. Only when the investigation is completed, we can say what will happen with this person. "The other employee denies being involved. This person came with a warning from it.

Croes Aruba House regrets that these incidents negatively in the news, while the organization just so hard and going strong. She wants, as long as the investigation, there is not much to say. "What more is there to say. Internally, a number of things wrong. We try to solve. In addition, there are things said that are not right. This would Abath and I met the light in the eyes award. That is not true. The whole process is the atmosphere in Aruba House not for the good that is true. It is tedious work, but I'm sure it is solved. "


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 16, 2010, 10:37:39 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_79705.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

Acquittal, light punishments follow Domino Case

October 16, 2010, 15:34 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - The Court of First Instance yesterday treated four cases of money laundering were connected to the Domino Case.

The court rulings came immediately. NS businessman was acquitted for lack of evidence, while bank employees GS and OC each messenger to three months probation were convicted of laundering drug money for Mansur and Luis Mercado Ochoa. The handling of the case of fourth suspect, BB customs official, was requested by attorney Edwin Duijn Field resistance. In anticipation of some witnesses.

Luis Mansur is in jail since 2008, along with his accomplice Mercado Ochoa. He gave many years led to an extensive criminal network that bulk drugs to Aruba and other countries in the region, smuggled and trafficked. Called Domino Case was controversial when it appeared that Justice during its investigation of eavesdropping devices, something that until now illegal.

BB, NS, and GS OC, according to the Public Ministry in the period between May 1, 2005 and September 24, 2007 several tons of U.S. dollars have been laundered for convicted drug traffickers and Mercado Ochoa Luis Mansur. According to the prosecutor were they all complicit.

The requirement was for each five months probation.

NS businessman Florin exchanged for U.S. dollars for Mercado Ochoa.

It would, he was a total of $ 150,000 have changed. S. Ochoa was, however, expect a trader in wood. The court ultimately deemed not sufficiently demonstrated that S. and let the accused was guilty Fri

However, the court considered evidence that bank employee GS knew what he did when he was a total of $ 326,000 had been changed by OC was brought to the bank. That money was then transferred to an account in Venezuela. During treatment, HS, gave money to have exchanged and transferred to Mansur. He would have sold U.S. dollars to exchange at a rate which he would make a profit. S. said not to have known that this money came from drug trafficking. OEC in turn admitted that in addition to his work as a messenger casino bijkluste for Mansur.

BB customs kept the tight lipped. The judge read out the report against him that Mercado 'Rafa' Ochoa VdB regular appointment with Well Well restaurant to give him money for safekeeping. Upon his arrest, police found more than 100 000 florins, stored in his bedroom. Counselor Edwin Duijn Field asked for a postponement because he wanted to bring forward some witnesses.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 16, 2010, 11:20:23 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_79619.php

Google translation:

"Anticipating BOB Law incomprehensible '

October 14, 2010, 15:30 (GMT -04:00)

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ORANGE CITY - In its opinion on the bill PDO which justice and police greater investigative resources have said the Advisory Council (RvA) that a "thorough review" of these resources to the European Convention on Human Rights (ECHR) necessary is.

The proposed extension of the investigative procedures will be "substantially in nature", says the Council.

The Council considers it "incomprehensible" that the Attorney-General (PG) of Aruba (and also the PG of the former West Indies) already come with a directive to declare all these methods, so that the justice and police have deployed be. This has already happened in 2008 and then the methods are already employed, as previously published by this newspaper. RvA thinks this is too far and even contrary to both the ECHR and the Aruban constitution.

In advice to the Government of the Council even more critical, especially about the impact that the expansion of investigative powers to affect 'others'. This example, provided the family or relatives of those who consider justice. This family or family members (initially) not suspected of a crime, but the research does get involved, so there is a breach of their privacy. Article 8 paragraph 1 and paragraph 2 of the Convention stipulates that this is done with care and the citizen should be able to determine its behavior when applying the detection methods. The Board questions whether here in the bill sufficiently taken into account. Lies in the fact that only the investigative methods used by others may be in the interest of the investigation. RvA is that this will create "a very wide discretion to the prosecutor that is created hardly be further standardized. In other words, that the description in the "interest of the investigation" is too vague.

Third parties may in the current bill is almost not figure out whether they are monitored, wiretapped or other investigative methods used against them, says the Council. Also they can not count on the information during criminal investigations to be collected will be destroyed. It is just the opposite, in the Council. "It is desirable for the government for its retention on the grounds that these might contribute to the elucidation of other offenses." The way the government wants to store the data, according to the RvA still not adequately regulated and that also applies to the destruction of the data. The Council therefore recommends that the Government should do so with an eye on the privacy of third parties and that there is a system for destroying data of suspects not prosecuted.

English version:

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_79625.php

‘Running ahead of BOB law incomprehensible’

14 Okt, 2010, 09:02 (GMT -04:00)

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ORANJESTAD — In the advice on the BOB- enactment with which justice and police will acquire more tracking means, the Advisory Council (RvA) states that a ‘meticulous test’ of these means of the European Treaty of the Human Rights (EVRM) is necessary. The proposed expansion of the tracking means will be ‘radical’, according to the Council.

The Council therefore finds it ‘incomprehensible’ that the Attorney General (PG) of Aruba (as well as the PG of the former Antilles) already presents a guideline for these methods to be proclaimed so that these could already be implemented by justice and police. For that matter, this already happened in 2008 and the means are already implemented as reported earlier by this newspaper. Therefore, RvA finds this is going too far and is even in defiance of both the EVRM and the Aruban constitution.

The Council even expresses more criticism in their advice to the government, in particular on the possible consequences of the expansion of the tracking authorities for ‘third parties’. With this, one refers to the family or family members of those investigated by justice. These family members (in first instance) are not suspected of a crime, but are involved because of the investigation so that there’s a question of an intrusion of their private life. Article 8 part 1 and part 2 of the EVRM regulates that one is to deal with this discreetly and the citizen should be given the opportunity to determine his/her behavior with application of the tracking methods. The Council wonders whether the enactment reckons with this sufficiently. The latter namely mentions that one may only use the tracking methods with third parties in the interest of the investigation. However, RvA finds that this ‘creates a very liberal authority for the officer of justice that is hardly further regulated’. In other words, the description ‘in the interest of the investigation’ is too vague.

In the current enactment, third parties can hardly find out if they are being prosecuted, wiretapped or if other means are being used against them, says the Council. Nor can they count on the fact that the data collected during the criminal investigation will be destroyed. It is actually the opposite, according to the Council. “The government finds it advisable to save this data because it could possibly contribute towards clarification of other criminal offences.” However, the manner in which the government saves this data is still not regulated sufficiently and this applies to the obliteration of this data, according to the RvA. The Council therefore argues the government still arranges this with regard to privacy of third parties, and provides for a regulation to obliterate data of suspects who are not being prosecuted.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: klaasend on October 17, 2010, 12:55:21 PM
Texasmom - what do you think about that American Chollar, could it be Ludwick?  We know Ludwick is a couple cans shy of a sixpack.  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 17, 2010, 01:28:37 PM
http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=4913&offId=0

police owing to captura ladronnan during madruga at tanki leendert, owing to detene one choller female y one choller americano

saturday madruga owing to come into informe by cu have ladronnan is hortando at one cas at tanki leendert, at once owing to dirigi one patrol at the sitio. at caminda for her sitio owing to make a note one pickup sospechoso y owing to bay pare. at instant cu owing to pare 3 sospechoso owing to try huy but police owing to succeed captura 2 by they, one is one choller female y the another is one choller americano. come across

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/ChollarsArrested101507.jpg)


This American Chollar resembles Joran's buddy John Ludwick  ::MonkeyCool::

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/JohnLudwickJoran.jpg)


It does. The eyes are right, wish I could see his ears.

I still say it looks like him.  Same facial structure and everything.  Just looks like he lost a little weight and his hair has grown:

http://www.24ora.com/policial-mainmenu-8/23103-polis-ta-persigui-y-gara-ladronnan-di-frigidaire-den-hato.html (http://www.24ora.com/policial-mainmenu-8/23103-polis-ta-persigui-y-gara-ladronnan-di-frigidaire-den-hato.html)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/AmericanChollar.jpg)

One of the comments on 24ora about this...and it's in English!   ::MonkeyDance::

http://www.24ora.com/policial-mainmenu-8/23103-polis-ta-persigui-y-gara-ladronnan-di-frigidaire-den-hato.html

Quote
Scirbi pa vladimir, October 17, 2010   
I really dont understand ! How could we have a american living in Aruba Choller walking the streets!!!!! Send his ass back!!!now! Colombian Choler send her ass back!!!!! what is the government waiting for ! your no good to society why are they still walking the streets of Aruba?????

Interesting, that article says there were "THREE" people in the truck with the stolen refrigerator in it, but they only arrested two.  The truck has a phone number on it, and another design that I can't quite make out.  Maybe the truck belonged to the third person?  I don't see where they say the truck was stolen.  I think it also says that they've had other complaints about the American choller....

police is persigui y grab ladronnan by frigidaire in hato

saturday, 16 october 2010 20:43

accion by police behind one call owing to laydown cu they owing to grab thief by frigidaire. the caso self owing to sosode at tanki leendert. police owing to attain call cu have thief hortando in one cas. the donjo by the cas self is in exterior. at once unidad by police owing to arrive y others also owing to cuminsa throw view before one nissan pickup color ash a-53641. in the area by tanki flip police owing to encounter cu the car y owing to cuminsa one persecusion. was have three person in the car. two man y one muher. near by hato owing to succeed stop the pickup but the chofer owing to descend core. the another dosnan not owing to attain the chens. police owing to go over at detene both y busca for her by three. not owing to attain the by three. the dosnan deteni was one muher colombiana casa at aruba y is semi choller come to anend very time. also one conocido choller mericano was in the car. in the baki still the frigidaire steal was. the pickup does not owing to start before nothing by world. esey not owing to stroba police because they self owing to coy cabuya before tow y tow the pickup bring keep. two week happen same muher colombiana here was in another persecusion by joyriding cu owing to termina at ponton. the day here past owing to go pound but the trip here if her number owing to play together cu the mericano choller cu also police have enough complaint on dje. the by three sospechoso they does not say is that the is.

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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 17, 2010, 01:39:00 PM
Texasmom - what do you think about that American Chollar, could it be Ludwick?  We know Ludwick is a couple cans shy of a sixpack.  ::MonkeyCool::

Yes, I think it could very well be him!  If it is him, how has he been able to stay in Aruba for so long?  And I agree with the comment from 24ora...why is he still there with other complaints against him!  Maybe he was one of those that paid off an immigration official so they don't have records on him?  Maybe that's one of the things that clued ALE into the payoffs at immigration that arrests are being made for since Joran's arrest in Peru?  After all, he was on television talking about his buddy Joran and their living together in Aruba...maybe somebody started looking into his arrival date...planned departure date... and didn't find any record of him! 

There was another article about all that immigration pay off stuff very recently that I think I posted.  There's no telling how many are on that island that aren't there legally and can stay indefinitely!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 17, 2010, 01:43:19 PM
I just noticed the one on the hood of the truck, I'll see if I can make it readable!   


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 17, 2010, 01:51:48 PM
Mi Bunita Jardin

I think that may say...My beautiful yard

So maybe it's a yard care service of some kind.

Spanish translation:  Bunite my yard

Papiamentu translation:  my beautiful jardin


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 17, 2010, 02:10:46 PM
http://www.cbs42.com/content/localnews/story/Van-der-Sloot-true-story-book/zMY1TGGVkU2Kc8LMCiU6pA.cspx

Van der Sloot "true story" book

Last Update: 11:51 am

(http://www.cbs42.com/media/lib/124/6/0/7/607a42a0-a2e6-4495-ba90-c19c57cde8cf/Story.jpg)
 

Birmingham, Al  (WIAT)  Probably no one knows the "true story" of Joran van der Sloot, including van der Sloot, but a pair of Dutch crime reporters are coming out with a book that promises just that about the accused murderer of Stephany Flores and the prime suspect in the disappearance of Mountain Brook teen Natalee Holloway.

Joran's Murder Mysteries promises "The complete story about the true role of Joran van der Sloot in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway and the killing of Stephany Flores."

The book, due out October 19, was co-written by Bert Huisjes and John van den Heuvel, the reporter who recently interviewed van der Sloot in his Castro Castro prison cell in Lima, Peru. That interview which appeared in De Telegraaf as well as on Dutch television contained little about the Natalee Holloway case beyond van der Sloot's admission that he scammed Natalee's family out of $25,000.

"I wanted to get back at Natalee's family - her parents have been making my life tough for five years," the paper quoted him as saying from prison in Peru. "When they offered to pay for the girl's location, I thought: 'Why not'?"

Since the cell block interview by van den Heuvel, van der Sloot got a surprise visit by Natalee Holloway's mother Beth who snuck into his prison as part of another Dutch TV crew.

He's also been accused of trying to by drugs from a prison guard.....allegations that his Peruvian lawyer is demanding prison officials investigate as a set up.

And his still waits a decision on his attempt to get his murder confession thrown out on technical irregularities.  He confessed to killing 21 year old student Stephany Flores after she found material relating to Natalee Holloway on his laptop.  Flores' body was found in van der Sloot's Lima hotel room five years to the day of Natalee's disappearance on a graduation trip to Aruba.  She was last seen with van der Sloot. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 17, 2010, 03:20:00 PM
A Few Weeks!!

Beth Holloway working with Dutch reporter on daughter Natalee Holloway's disappearance, spokeswoman confirms (with videos)
Published: Friday, September 17, 2010, 1:15 PM
Updated: Friday, September 17, 2010, 1:56 PM


Beth Holloway is working on a project with a Dutch television crew, but was not arrested in Peru, contrary to widespread reports, her spokeswoman said today.

"She was not arrested or detained and nothing was taken from her," said Sunny Tillman. "Beth is working with Peter de Vries on a special report. Peter can provide further comment on the content of that report." 

Tillman declined to say further what happened in Peru, but did say Holloway remains out of the United States. The TV report will appear in a few weeks.

http://blog.al.com/spotnews/2010/09/post_595.html



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 17, 2010, 03:24:46 PM
SHE HASN'T GONE AWAY

Beth Holloway working with Dutch reporter on daughter Natalee Holloway's disappearance, spokeswoman confirms (with videos)
Published: Friday, September 17, 2010, 1:15 PM
Updated: Friday, September 17, 2010, 1:56 PM


Holloway's lawyer told NBC's "Today" that she entered Castro Castro prison where van der Sloot is being held in the murder of a Peruvian woman "without violating any laws or breaking any regulations" and spoke with the inmate.

Attorney John Q. Kelly said Holloway didn't expect to get answers about Natalee's disappearance but wanted van der Sloot to know "she hasn't gone away."
 
http://blog.al.com/spotnews/2010/09/post_595.html



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 17, 2010, 03:29:43 PM
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8111.msg1160265#msg1160265

HT Klaasend

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub8/LudwickREAruba.jpg)

He's not listed as an agent anymore on their website.  Not surprised at all.

http://realestateinaruba.com/index.php?option=com_hotproperty&view=company&id=1

This agent now has the same mobile number that John Ludwick did have.  

http://realestateinaruba.com/index.php?option=com_hotproperty&view=agent&id=2





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: klaasend on October 17, 2010, 05:22:14 PM
John Ludwick on Nancy Grace

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2cCaBMzrvA


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 17, 2010, 05:37:25 PM
John Ludwick on Nancy Grace

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2cCaBMzrvA


NANCY GRACE
Van Der Sloot Confession Transcript Released
Aired June 14, 2010 - 20:00:00   ET


JOHN LUDWICK, FRIEND OF JORAN VAN DER SLOOT: Hi. How`re you doing?

NANCY GRACE, HOST: I`m great. But I`m concerned about Joran Van Der Sloot`s confession. It does not sound truthful to me. Tell me, how do you know Joran Van Der Sloot?

LUDWICK: I met him in Aruba a few months back, when he came back for his father`s memorial towards the end of February.

GRACE: Yes.

LUDWICK: Yes.

GRACE: How much time -- did you spend a fair bit of time with him?

LUDWICK: Yes. Just about every day for about three-and-a-half months, I was with him, so...

GRACE: Did you know that he was a suspect in the death of American girl Natalee Holloway?

LUDWICK: Yes. That`s how I recognized him when we first met and we started hanging out.

GRACE: May I ask what attracted you to a potential murderer?

LUDWICK: Well, he was never proven guilty, so I wouldn`t call him that, maybe a suspect. But I mean, he seemed like...

GRACE: OK. I`ll use your phrasing. May I ask you what attracted you to a murder suspect?

LUDWICK: I mean, he seemed like he`d be a cool guy and he ended up being -- what the media makes him out to be is far from the truth. He`s a good friend and...

GRACE: Elizabeth, please put Mr. Ludwick up. OK. What were you saying, dear?

LUDWICK: I said what the media portrays him as is far from the truth. He`s a good person and a good friend. And he`s not the serial killer sociopath, psychopath you guys -- the media makes him out to be.

GRACE: OK, Mr. Ludwick, I have in my hand his confession verbatim. And it says, "I hit her in the face on the nose. There was blood everywhere. I think she started to faint. It affected me so that I grabbed her from the neck and strangled her for a moment."

Blood was everywhere. Is that the good guy that you`re referring to that`s been misportrayed in the media, that then takes the girl`s clothes off after she`s dead and breaks her neck?

LUDWICK: I`m basing it on the Joran I knew, and that`s not the Joran I know. I can`t speak for what happened that night, but the Joran I know is a good person.

<snipped>

GRACE: We are taking your calls live. With us is a special guest, John Ludwick is a friend of Joran Van Der Sloot. He`s joining us from Washington, D.C. tonight.

Mr. Ludwick, are you from the states?

MR. LUDWICK, FRIEND OF MURDER SUSPECT, JORAN VAN DER SLOOT: Yes, I`m from Alexandria, Virginia.

GRACE: And do your parents know of your friendship with Joran Van Der Sloot?

LUDWICK: Yes, they do.

GRACE: And what do they think of it?

LUDWICK: I mean, they have mixed opinions. But, I mean, he`s my friend and it`s my choice.

GRACE: Right. When you say mixed opinions, what do you mean by that?

LUDWICK: Because of the past alleged incident. I mean --

GRACE: Please put Mr. Ludwick up.

Mr. Ludwick, he`s confessed to breaking somebody`s neck -- a girl`s neck -- and then taking her clothes off after she is dead. And then it says, I used the comforter and the sheets to clean up all the blood from the floor. I only cleaned the floor. He left the rest of the room just bloody.

You know another can of worms. Here is an e-mail exchange between you and Joran Van Der Sloot where he says, happy birthday, I hope you had a good day. This is May 29.

And remember how important family and friends are. By the way, can you send me some money through Western Union tomorrow? Remember that?

LUDWICK: Yes, I do.

GRACE: Did you send him money?

LUDWICK: No, I didn`t. He had told me -- that was the evening of May 29th and I guess the alleged event happened later -- a few hours later into the 30th. But he told me he needed money to get back to Aruba. So, I mean, before I had a chance to help him out, I couldn`t get ahold of him. And then the news said what it said.

GRACE: Sir, it`s not just the news said what it said. The news is not like a being walking around this studio that just spouts things off. The news is what he did and said. It`s just not -- didn`t fall from the sky and hit you on the head.

This is what Joran Van Der Sloot said. But, sir, obviously, you`re going to choose to believe what you want to believe. What, if anything, did he tell you about Natalee Holloway?

LUDWICK: We only had one main discussion on it. And it was an evening that we watched the Natalee Holloway movie on TV. And he just told me parts of the movie that were true and parts that weren`t true. And that`s about at length as I want to get into it.

GRACE: Did you ask him more things?

LUDWICK: No, I didn`t bring it up. He talked to me about it. But I`m not -- I don`t want to get into any more of that.

GRACE: You mean, you don`t want to tell me more about it, right? Or you didn`t want to get into more of it with him?

LUDWICK: No, I don`t want to bring that up at this time.

GRACE: Well, I would advise you to get ready for a subpoena to find out in a court of law what he had to say about Natalee Holloway`s death.

<snipped>

GRACE: To you, Mr. Ludwick, what kind of things would you do together?

LUDWICK: Mainly we went to the casino and he liked to play poker. I just watched or played slots. But he really -- I`d say he had a gambling addiction. But he`d play poker almost every night.

GRACE: Did he ever mention where he got the money? Did he ever mention he was in the middle of a shakedown on the dead girl`s mother for $250,000 to name where the dead girl`s body is?

LUDWICK: I know he had money because he ran a coffee shop in Thailand. So he had some money saved for that. But after a while, his money started running low. And that`s when I guess the contact happened with that.

GRACE: What contact?

LUDWICK: That`s when I guess he tried to contact John Kelly or Beth Holloway and that stuff happened when he ran out -- started running out of money.

GRACE: Mr. Ludwick, why do you say he tried to contact them? What he tried to do was extort $250,000 in exchange for the location of Natalee`s body. It would seem to me that you would be concerned that he knew where a dead body was? If you knew where a dead body was, Mr. Ludwick, wouldn`t you tell police?

LUDWICK: Not if it compromised me, maybe not.

GRACE: Well, OK, obviously -- I learned, I think, in kindergarten two plus two equals four. But if Van Der Sloot won`t tell where the body is because it compromises him, that means he`s involved in the murder.

Did that not bother you during all the months you were out at casinos with him?

LUDWICK: I mean I was never in fear for my safety, I mean.

http://archives.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1006/14/ng.01.html


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 17, 2010, 05:42:33 PM
The Confession!!  What is taking that fourth Peruvian judge so long to make a ruling?  My hinky meter is on red.

I just read the Nancy Grace transcript of the confession.  If this guy walks ... it is only a matter of time before another Stephany ... another Natalee ...

Janet

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NANCY GRACE
Van Der Sloot Confession Transcript Released
Aired June 14, 2010 - 20:00:00   ET


http://archives.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1006/14/ng.01.html


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: MuffyBee on October 17, 2010, 05:59:03 PM
The Confession!!  What is taking that fourth Peruvian judge so long to make a ruling?  My hinky meter is on red.

I just read the Nancy Grace transcript of the confession.  If this guy walks ... it is only a matter of time before another Stephany ... another Natalee ...

Janet

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NANCY GRACE
Van Der Sloot Confession Transcript Released
Aired June 14, 2010 - 20:00:00   ET


http://archives.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1006/14/ng.01.html



Even if the confession is thrown out, I don't think Joran will walk.  A confession is not necessary to keep Joran in prison nor is it necessary to convict him.  From what I've read, there is evidence to connect him with the crime. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 17, 2010, 06:22:27 PM
The Confession!!  What is taking that fourth Peruvian judge so long to make a ruling?  My hinky meter is on red.

I just read the Nancy Grace transcript of the confession.  If this guy walks ... it is only a matter of time before another Stephany ... another Natalee ...

Janet

+++++


NANCY GRACE
Van Der Sloot Confession Transcript Released
Aired June 14, 2010 - 20:00:00   ET


http://archives.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1006/14/ng.01.html



Even if the confession is thrown out, I don't think Joran will walk.  A confession is not necessary to keep Joran in prison nor is it necessary to convict him.  From what I've read, there is evidence to connect him with the crime. 

I agree MuffeeBee.

However ... considering the roller coaster we have all been on for almost 5 1/2 years in anticipation of justice for Natalee Holloway ... I will continue to hold my breath until a Peruvian judge declares Joran van der Sloot "GUILTY AS CHARGED!"

Janet

++++++

No Justice for Natalee in Aruba.  I'm Done.

Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Page 182
- September 1 Helen calls to say the court is asking for DNA from the Kalpoes and Joran van der Sloot and that their attorneys are fighting this.  She also says the suspects are pointing the finger at one another.

Page 183 - Helen is very positive. "It looks good that they will remain in custody." she says.  Then about three hours after she tells me this encouraging news, a devastating call comes from an AP reporter.

"Paulus van der Sloot and his attorney are bragging to everyone that all three suspects are getting out day after tomorrow!

Then all the media start calling.  I call Helen, then FBI agent Bill and the U.S. vice-consul.  None of them have this information.  So we tell the media it must be a rumor.  But the word is out all over the island to the defense side that all three suspects will walk.

Four and a half hours after this announcement is made to international media by Joran's father and his defense team, the FBI calls to tell me it is indeed true.  So the three suspects who were last seen with my daughter, and who offered multiple versions of what happened that night, will go free.  And we are the last ones to find out.

Natalee's handwriting on her immigration card states that the duration of her stay here would be four nights.  It has been ninety-five.  And I have painstakingly counted every one of them.

When Helen calls, I stand in a corner of the hotel room, phone to my ear, tapping my head against the wall over and over.  Tears fall hard.  "I'm done, Helen.  I'm done.  No justice for Natalee in Aruba.  I'm done."

Pages 184 - And Bill explains how the release of the three suspects happened.  "The information the FBI was given was that the judge gave Joran thirty more days, up to October 1.  And he gave the Kalpoes eight more days.  But then the judge flew back from Curacao and faxed a reverse decision from there."  The reverse decision decreed that all three will go free.

The opportunity to hide behind Hurricane Katrina is too inviting.  The three suspects will be released while all eyes are turned to the devastation in New Orlean.

Page 185 - The last announcement I make on television is never seen.  Hurricane Katrina gives the island the cloak of cover it needs to let the suspects walk free and relieve itself of its media burden.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: MuffyBee on October 17, 2010, 06:52:20 PM
Janet, understand your thoughts/feelings about holding your breath until Joran is pronounced "Guilty as Charged".  But I think Joran didn't have quite as much help as he did in Natalee's case.  There was no one to clean up the room and help dispose of Stephany's body, nor erase surveillance tapes.  He murdered the daughter of a prominent Peruvian in her own country and I think that will carry weight.  But I know better than to count my chickens before they're hatched.  :smt117      I'm hoping justice will prevail for Stephany and Natalee.   ::MonkeyJustice::

(self-edit to direct my post to Janet  ::CowboySmiley::)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: MuffyBee on October 17, 2010, 07:04:08 PM
Hi yucatexan ::bananadance:: ::bananadance:: ::bananadance:: ::bananadance:: ::bananadance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: yucatexan on October 17, 2010, 07:26:03 PM
Hi MuffyBee - thanks for the dancing bananas ::CowboySmiley::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: MuffyBee on October 17, 2010, 07:40:59 PM
Hi MuffyBee - thanks for the dancing bananas ::CowboySmiley::


You're very welcome.     ::bee::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: klaasend on October 17, 2010, 08:27:21 PM
http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=4929&offId=0&offDate=2010-10

This guy look like it could be Deepak to anyone besides me?   ::MonkeyDevil::

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/ArrestHooiberg2.jpg)

1 hora pasa | Fecha: 17/10/2010 | Horario: 19:21
NA HOOIBERG HOMBER CU COMPORTACION AGRESIVO DILANTI MUHER A BIRA MANSO MANSO DILANTI POLIS

Diasabra atardi a drenta informe di cu tin un homber razo razo na un cas na Hooiberg y tabata cu un tubo di hero y tabata dal rond y purba kibra porta, mesora a dirigi un patruya na e sitio. Na yegada di e patruya a constata cu un homber cu tabata bao influencia tabata molestia e dama na e cas y a bira agresivo. Pero ora ela mira cu polis a yega e homber a bay den "softmode" y a bira calmo polis a detene y a bay warda cune unda cu despues lo bay papia cune.

at hooiberg man cu comportacion aggressive fast muher owing to become tame tame fast police

 saturday afternoon owing to come into informe by cu have one man razo razo at one cas at hooiberg y was cu one tubo by iron y was strike rond y try break door, at once owing to dirigi one patrol at the sitio. at arrival by the patrol owing to constata cu one man cu was bao influencia was molestia the lady at the cas y owing to become aggressive. but hour ela see cu police owing to arrive he owing to bay in "softmode" y owing to become calmo police owing to detene y owing to bay keep cune where cu after will bay talk cune.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: klaasend on October 17, 2010, 08:59:16 PM
Wishful thinking I guess  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: wreck on October 17, 2010, 09:14:00 PM
Wishful thinking I guess  ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyCool:: I wish - but, no -I don't think so.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 17, 2010, 09:36:58 PM
Wishful thinking I guess  ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyCool:: I wish - but, no -I don't think so.

I don't think so either. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: klaasend on October 17, 2010, 09:55:29 PM
Party poopers  ::MonkeyJnBox::

Figured it was close enough to the Kalpoe house it could be  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 17, 2010, 10:04:33 PM
Party poopers  ::MonkeyJnBox::

Figured it was close enough to the Kalpoe house it could be  ::MonkeyCool::

 ::MonkeyTongue::  ::MonkeyHaHa::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 17, 2010, 10:52:10 PM

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/989507.jpg)

Klaasend - Scared Monkeys


Talking To Beth Holloway Five Years After Natalee's Disappearance
05/30/10 1:45 pm


"Tragedy creates an opportunity to make a difference."

Making A Difference
 
Beth tells the story of Natalee's disappearance to high school and college students round the nation as part of her work with the Natalee Holloway Resource Center,which launches in D.C. on June 8

"The Natalee Holloway Resource Center is focusing on education and crime prevention, and in the event that a loved one goes missing we have the resources and the contacts to assist the families."
 
http://www.abc3340.com/news/stories/0510/741129.html

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Natalee Holloway Resource Center (NHRC)

http://www.crimemuseum.org/NHRC


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 18, 2010, 01:19:14 AM
http://www.aribaaruba.info/picturealbums/offshore_moomba_101010/pages/DSC_0598_JPG.htm

10/10/2010  Offshore Band at Moomba

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Aruba%20Misc/101010_OffshoreBand_Moomba.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 18, 2010, 01:25:45 AM
http://www.aribaaruba.info/picturealbums/offshore_moomba_101010/pages/DSC_0617_JPG.htm

10/10/2010  Offshore Band at Moomba

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Aruba%20Misc/10102010_OffshoreBand_Moomba_BenvindaDeSousa.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 18, 2010, 01:30:13 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/bethandnatalee_01-1.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 18, 2010, 01:40:39 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/06302010_StephanyMemorial_2.jpg)



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 18, 2010, 01:41:36 AM
Good night Klaas!   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on October 18, 2010, 11:29:43 AM
New Van der Sloot Book Promises Answers

NewsCore -- The authors of a new book about Joran van der Sloot promise to tell the "complete story" of his role in the murders of American teen Natalee Holloway and Peruvian young woman Stephany Flores.

"Joran's Murder Mysteries," due out Tuesday, was co-authored by Dutch crime reporters Bert Huisjes and John van den Heuvel and contains information gleaned from "secret research files and confidential medical documents," according to a statement from the publishers.

The book will also contain photos from inside Lima's Castro Castro prison, where Natalee Holloway's mother, Beth, snuck in to confront van der Sloot in September.

Van den Heuvel, who writes for Dutch newspaper De Telegraaf, has repeatedly broken stories about van der Sloot and recently did an interview with him in which he confessed to trying to scam Holloway's family for $25,000.

The 204-page book aims to answer several questions, according to the publisher, House of Knowledge.

"Where is Natalee? Is Joran a dangerous psychopath or a wild animal hunted by the media? Why was Stephany Flores killed exactly five years after the disappearance of Natalee?," House of Knowledge wrote in the official announcement of the book.

Van der Sloot is awaiting trial in Peru for his alleged murder of Stephany Flores in his casino hotel room. He initially confessed to the grisly murder but later retracted his statement, saying he had been forced into it by harsh interrogation.

He has long been the chief suspect in the disappearance of Alabama teenager Natalee Holloway on the vacation island of Aruba in 2005.

http://www.myfoxphoenix.com/dpps/news/new-van-der-sloot-book-promises-answers-dpgonc-20101018-jst_10162940


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on October 18, 2010, 11:32:28 AM
Janet, understand your thoughts/feelings about holding your breath until Joran is pronounced "Guilty as Charged".  But I think Joran didn't have quite as much help as he did in Natalee's case.  There was no one to clean up the room and help dispose of Stephany's body, nor erase surveillance tapes.  He murdered the daughter of a prominent Peruvian in her own country and I think that will carry weight.  But I know better than to count my chickens before they're hatched.  :smt117      I'm hoping justice will prevail for Stephany and Natalee.   ::MonkeyJustice::

(self-edit to direct my post to Janet  ::CowboySmiley::)

Chiming in with Muffy here........  I really think you're right, Miss Bee! It's like Dorothy. Joran "ain't" in Kansas with this one.   ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on October 18, 2010, 11:36:59 AM
Crucial mistakes made in Natalee Holloway disappearance

2Stem now! A shocking secret report by Jan van der Straten and Police Chief Prosecutor Karin Janssen makes painfully clear how many errors there is the crucial first days after the disappearance of Natalee Holloway have been made.

Joran van der Sloot by Peter R. Ferris tonight at 21:30 by SBS6 ..

http://www.nujij.nl/cruciale-fouten-gemaakt-in-verdwijningszaak.10103931.lynkx


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 18, 2010, 12:11:12 PM
Crucial mistakes made in Natalee Holloway disappearance

2Stem now! A shocking secret report by Jan van der Straten and Police Chief Prosecutor Karin Janssen makes painfully clear how many errors there is the crucial first days after the disappearance of Natalee Holloway have been made.

Joran van der Sloot by Peter R. Ferris tonight at 21:30 by SBS6 ..

http://www.nujij.nl/cruciale-fouten-gemaakt-in-verdwijningszaak.10103931.lynkx

 ::HelloKitty::

Thanks Northern Rose


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A Few Weeks!!

Beth Holloway working with Dutch reporter on daughter Natalee Holloway's disappearance, spokeswoman confirms (with videos)
Published: Friday, September 17, 2010, 1:15 PM
Updated: Friday, September 17, 2010, 1:56 PM


Beth Holloway is working on a project with a Dutch television crew, but was not arrested in Peru, contrary to widespread reports, her spokeswoman said today.

"She was not arrested or detained and nothing was taken from her," said Sunny Tillman. "Beth is working with Peter de Vries on a special report. Peter can provide further comment on the content of that report." 

Tillman declined to say further what happened in Peru, but did say Holloway remains out of the United States. The TV report will appear in a few weeks.

http://blog.al.com/spotnews/2010/09/post_595.html






Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 18, 2010, 02:36:31 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_79763.php

Google translation:

Weather book about Joran

October 18, 2010, 13:27 (GMT -04:00)

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ORANGE CITY / LIMA - The book "Joran Murder Mysteries' by Dutch crime reporter John van den Heuvel appears in bookstores tomorrow. In the book, the disappearance of American Natalee Holloway and the murder of the Peruvian Stephany Flores treated.

In the book are never made public a confidential police report and a psychiatric report on the personality of Joran addressed. Van den Heuvel says that in the first forty days after the disappearance of Natalee in 2005 many appalling errors. In an interview with Radio Netherlands Worldwide tells the reporter that "if you see what a huge mistakes made and there has been much bickering. Especially between the Aruban Justice Minister Rudy Croes on one side and law enforcement on the other hand, it is shocking. When things were good when it picked up, as it should in a disappearance case, I think a lot of disaster had been averted. "
Joran van der Sloot was the prime suspect in both cases. He is currently in remand at the Castro Castro prison in Lima on suspicion of the murder of the Peruvian Flores.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 18, 2010, 02:54:07 PM
Crucial mistakes made in Natalee Holloway disappearance

2Stem now! A shocking secret report by Jan van der Straten and Police Chief Prosecutor Karin Janssen makes painfully clear how many errors there is the crucial first days after the disappearance of Natalee Holloway have been made.

Joran van der Sloot by Peter R. Ferris tonight at 21:30 by SBS6 ..

http://www.nujij.nl/cruciale-fouten-gemaakt-in-verdwijningszaak.10103931.lynkx

If I'm reading that right, Peter R. DeVries is going to have something on SBS6 tonight!  But I haven't found any other advertisement for it yet.
 ::MonkeyConfused::

Longer version of the same article above, but I don't see the part about Peter R. DeVries in it.

http://www.brekend-nieuws.nl/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=468:cruciale-fouten-gemaakt-in-verdwijningszaak-natalee-holloway&catid=12:boeken&Itemid=22

Google translation:

Crucial mistakes made in Natalee Holloway disappearance
Books

Monday, October 18, 2010 3:54 p.m.   

This article has been read 104 times

In presenting his book Joran's murder mysteries, along with fellow crime reporter Bert Cottages written, does John van den Heuvel accurately in the book explains what, according to them all went wrong in the investigation of the Aruban police after the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.

A shocking secret report by Jan van der Straten and Police Chief Prosecutor Karin Janssen makes painfully clear how many errors there is the crucial first days after the disappearance of Natalee Holloway have been made. The piece is also the dubious role of the then Minister of Justice of Aruba, Rudy Croes, to light.
 
It is amazing how these politicians a private war with police van der Straten considered more important than a proper investigation into Natalee Holloway.
He would be retroactive to be punished, writes John van den Heuvel in The Guardian today. Also revealing is a confidential report of the psychiatrist HAE van Gaalen Aruba, Joran that in the months before the murder Stephany Flores examined in detail. The report by Van Gaal was very alarming and showed that Joran van der Sloot at that time was a kind of walking time bomb.
 
Gaal urgently advised a forced admission to a psychiatric clinic and spoke several times over with Joran mother. Due to the warning report scheduled Anita van der Sloot is indeed a record for her son in the Netherlands. At that time, Joran in Aruba have been secretly monitored by agents of the FBI, through intercepted phone could also listen how suddenly one 'Garcia' along. This big unknown at that time knew Joran labile to Peru to attract. Without him an obstacle in their path was laid, the mentally ill Van der Sloot flew to Lima, where he later met Stephany in the casino. He killed her under the eyes of the FBI?
 
"Joran murder mysteries" is in bookstores tomorrow.
 
Currently trapped in Peru Joran van der Sloot is still a suspect in the Holloway case.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 18, 2010, 03:00:28 PM
Joe Tacopina may think that Anita van der Sloot is a "wonderful" mother.  Peter Devries may think that Anita van der Sloot is a "good" mother.  However ... Tamikosmom thinks otherwise.  I believe with all my heart that the death of Stephany would never have happened if Anita and Paulus through a misguided sense of love had not abetted the cover up within the Aruban investigation ... the cover up that shielded their son from personal accountability in the happenings encompassing the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.

Think about it.  Joran was seventeen years old ... a minor. The legal consequences would have been minimal.  However ... this young man would have received professional help and his decent into H--- may have been prevented.  Maybe today a young lady by the name of Stephany would be pursuing her dreams and ... another family would not have been living an ongoing nightmare that dictates embracing their loved one in this lifetime will never again happen. 

Janet

++++

Anita - A Victim?

 ::MonkeyNoNo::
 

Jo-An
Re: JORAN VAN DER SLOOT MURDERS AGAIN?
 « Reply #265 on: June 19, 2010, 09:34:10 AM »


Interview with Anita van der Sloot - De Telegraaf - June 19th 2010

The actual interview:

Target

Anita: I now believe that Joran might have done something to Stephany in Peru. Maybe an act of rage? I don't know. I'm very saddened that that businessman Flores lost his daughter, and I my son. That's the way it feels like."

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8032.msg1164835#msg1164835


Transcript: Van der Sloots Speak
Thursday, June 23, 2005


ANITA VAN DER SLOOT, MOTHER OF DUTCH SUSPECT: It's extremely tough. He's in custody now for 13, 14 days, I think. I have lost count. And I love my child. I believe in him 200 percent. And it's just like a big nightmare. We don't know how to deal with it because you can't deal with it. We think about the family a lot because their life is a nightmare but our life is a nightmare, too.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160471,00.html


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 18, 2010, 03:19:47 PM
Crucial mistakes made in Natalee Holloway disappearance

2Stem now! A shocking secret report by Jan van der Straten and Police Chief Prosecutor Karin Janssen makes painfully clear how many errors there is the crucial first days after the disappearance of Natalee Holloway have been made.

Joran van der Sloot by Peter R. Ferris tonight at 21:30 by SBS6 ..

http://www.nujij.nl/cruciale-fouten-gemaakt-in-verdwijningszaak.10103931.lynkx

 ::HelloKitty::

Thanks Northern Rose


+++++++

A Few Weeks!!

Beth Holloway working with Dutch reporter on daughter Natalee Holloway's disappearance, spokeswoman confirms (with videos)
Published: Friday, September 17, 2010, 1:15 PM
Updated: Friday, September 17, 2010, 1:56 PM


Beth Holloway is working on a project with a Dutch television crew, but was not arrested in Peru, contrary to widespread reports, her spokeswoman said today.

"She was not arrested or detained and nothing was taken from her," said Sunny Tillman. "Beth is working with Peter de Vries on a special report. Peter can provide further comment on the content of that report." 

Tillman declined to say further what happened in Peru, but did say Holloway remains out of the United States. The TV report will appear in a few weeks.

http://blog.al.com/spotnews/2010/09/post_595.html





All Dutch to me.

 ::MonkeyTongue::

Janet

+++++

Joran van der Sloot zometeen opnieuw bij Peter R. de Vries om 21.30 uur bij SBS6.
www.mediacourant.nl


Uit een onthullende reportage blijkt dat de verdachte in de zaak Natalee Holloway vergevorderde plannen heeft om Thaise vrouwen in Nederlandse seksclubs te laten werken.

Zie ook:
http://www.peterrdevries.nl/


http://www.nujij.nl/joran-van-der-sloot-zometeen-opnieuw-bij-peter-r.4002091.lynkx


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: klaasend on October 18, 2010, 05:54:54 PM
I received a very nice email from a non member who wanted to share some information we may not have.  It was about two separate subjects so I'll post in two posts. 

First on the Kalpoes attorneys in Chicago, William Cremer:


Quote
Hello,
Not being a regular poster (just a guest) I hope that the info is useful to the monkeys.
The firm handling the case for Deepak and Satish has deep roots in hotel liability cases.
 
From their website the following:
Bill Cremer attended FERMA symposium in Prague
Bill Cremer was invited to attend the FERMA symposium in Prague in October. FERMA is the Federation of European Risk Managers Associations. Peter den Dekker the risk manager of Stork, a Dutch multinational corporation and a longtime Cremer Spina client, was elected President of FERMA. Congratulations Peter!
 
Bill Cremer Featured Speaker In Mexico City
Bill Cremer will be the featured speaker at a presentation given to international brokers Marsh Mexico and their hotel customers on methods to reduce exposure to U.S. claims and lawsuits. The presentation will take place in Mexico City on March 3, 2010.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: klaasend on October 18, 2010, 05:57:12 PM
2nd part of the email information pertains to PVDS and his visit to Miami in 2005:

Quote
Regards Miami purveyers of pornography, and a possible reason for Paulus's visit to Miami:  The following information regards "Webe web" occurred this year:  The owners of Webe web Marc Evan Greenberg and Jeff Libman who ran a "children's" modeling website and also hosted a hardcore pornography website were indicted and were/are awaiting sentencing for possession of child erotica.
 
http://www.examiner.com/law-enforcement-in-national/corporation-pleads-guilty-to-transportation-production-of-child-pornography


I found this most interesting and plan on researching any possible ties to Aruba when I have time later tonight  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 18, 2010, 06:29:09 PM
Thank you very much to our guest that sent the information to Klaas!   ::MonkeyDance::

Thank you Klaas for posting it!   ::MonkeyKiss::

Very interesting IMO!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on October 18, 2010, 06:58:07 PM
Thank You Klaas! ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Magnolia on October 18, 2010, 07:23:14 PM
I believe that Marc Evan Greenberg connects back to Mr. Pink in Miami. iirc


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 18, 2010, 07:27:01 PM
I believe that Marc Evan Greenberg connects back to Mr. Pink in Miami. iirc

That name seemed familiar to me too.   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 18, 2010, 07:35:13 PM
I believe that Marc Evan Greenberg connects back to Mr. Pink in Miami. iirc

That name seemed familiar to me too.   ::MonkeyCool::

Probably because Mala Greenberg is his wife now, or the last I checked anyway.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Magnolia on October 18, 2010, 07:44:19 PM
I believe that Marc Evan Greenberg connects back to Mr. Pink in Miami. iirc

That name seemed familiar to me too.   ::MonkeyCool::

Probably because Mala Greenberg is his wife now, or the last I checked anyway.


Somebody...maybe Carpe...did a lot of research on this.  I think that Mala and Marc Evan are siblings.
I think it goes back to the Bang Bus or Back Seat one of those other similiar names they use.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 18, 2010, 08:06:06 PM
Crucial mistakes made in Natalee Holloway disappearance

2Stem now! A shocking secret report by Jan van der Straten and Police Chief Prosecutor Karin Janssen makes painfully clear how many errors there is the crucial first days after the disappearance of Natalee Holloway have been made.

Joran van der Sloot by Peter R. Ferris tonight at 21:30 by SBS6  ..

http://www.nujij.nl/cruciale-fouten-gemaakt-in-verdwijningszaak.10103931.lynkx

Has there been any confirmation regarding a Peter Devries report tonight on the Natalee Holloway case?

Thanks

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: can on October 18, 2010, 08:06:25 PM
2nd part of the email information pertains to PVDS and his visit to Miami in 2005:

Quote
Regards Miami purveyers of pornography, and a possible reason for Paulus's visit to Miami:  The following information regards "Webe web" occurred this year:  The owners of Webe web Marc Evan Greenberg and Jeff Libman who ran a "children's" modeling website and also hosted a hardcore pornography website were indicted and were/are awaiting sentencing for possession of child erotica.
 
http://www.examiner.com/law-enforcement-in-national/corporation-pleads-guilty-to-transportation-production-of-child-pornography


I found this most interesting and plan on researching any possible ties to Aruba when I have time later tonight  ::MonkeyCool::

Thanks Klaas!  Thanks also to your "informant".


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: can on October 18, 2010, 08:09:12 PM
I believe that Marc Evan Greenberg connects back to Mr. Pink in Miami. iirc

That name seemed familiar to me too.   ::MonkeyCool::

Probably because Mala Greenberg is his wife now, or the last I checked anyway.


Somebody...maybe Carpe...did a lot of research on this.  I think that Mala and Marc Evan are siblings.
I think it goes back to the Bang Bus or Back Seat one of those other similiar names they use.

What a wonderful memory you have Magnolia - a great asset to SM!
 ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyCheer4:: ::MonkeyGavel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: can on October 18, 2010, 08:12:16 PM
Joe Tacopina may think that Anita van der Sloot is a "wonderful" mother.  Peter Devries may think that Anita van der Sloot is a "good" mother.  However ... Tamikosmom thinks otherwise.  I believe with all my heart that the death of Stephany would never have happened if Anita and Paulus through a misguided sense of love had not abetted the cover up within the Aruban investigation ... the cover up that shielded their son from personal accountability in the happenings encompassing the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.

Think about it.  Joran was seventeen years old ... a minor. The legal consequences would have been minimal.  However ... this young man would have received professional help and his decent into H--- may have been prevented.  Maybe today a young lady by the name of Stephany would be pursuing her dreams and ... another family would not have been living an ongoing nightmare that dictates embracing their loved one in this lifetime will never again happen. 

Janet

++++

Anita - A Victim?

 ::MonkeyNoNo::
 

Jo-An
Re: JORAN VAN DER SLOOT MURDERS AGAIN?
 « Reply #265 on: June 19, 2010, 09:34:10 AM »


Interview with Anita van der Sloot - De Telegraaf - June 19th 2010

The actual interview:

Target

Anita: I now believe that Joran might have done something to Stephany in Peru. Maybe an act of rage? I don't know. I'm very saddened that that businessman Flores lost his daughter, and I my son. That's the way it feels like."

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8032.msg1164835#msg1164835


Transcript: Van der Sloots Speak
Thursday, June 23, 2005


ANITA VAN DER SLOOT, MOTHER OF DUTCH SUSPECT: It's extremely tough. He's in custody now for 13, 14 days, I think. I have lost count. And I love my child. I believe in him 200 percent. And it's just like a big nightmare. We don't know how to deal with it because you can't deal with it. We think about the family a lot because their life is a nightmare but our life is a nightmare, too.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160471,00.html


But, but, your son is still alive Anita!  For a little while anyway!. . .


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 18, 2010, 08:51:13 PM
2nd part of the email information pertains to PVDS and his visit to Miami in 2005:

Quote
Regards Miami purveyers of pornography, and a possible reason for Paulus's visit to Miami:  The following information regards "Webe web" occurred this year:  The owners of Webe web Marc Evan Greenberg and Jeff Libman who ran a "children's" modeling website and also hosted a hardcore pornography website were indicted and were/are awaiting sentencing for possession of child erotica.
 
http://www.examiner.com/law-enforcement-in-national/corporation-pleads-guilty-to-transportation-production-of-child-pornography


I found this most interesting and plan on researching any possible ties to Aruba when I have time later tonight  ::MonkeyCool::


Klaas

It appears that this was a topic of discussion back in June, 2008.

Janet

++++++


End of Thread 759
Natalee Case Discussion #759 6/18 - 6/22
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2938.0
 

Beginning of Thread 760
Natalee Case Discussion #760 6/22 - 6/26/08
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2951.0


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on October 18, 2010, 08:55:36 PM
2nd part of the email information pertains to PVDS and his visit to Miami in 2005:

Quote
Regards Miami purveyers of pornography, and a possible reason for Paulus's visit to Miami:  The following information regards "Webe web" occurred this year:  The owners of Webe web Marc Evan Greenberg and Jeff Libman who ran a "children's" modeling website and also hosted a hardcore pornography website were indicted and were/are awaiting sentencing for possession of child erotica.
 
http://www.examiner.com/law-enforcement-in-national/corporation-pleads-guilty-to-transportation-production-of-child-pornography


I found this most interesting and plan on researching any possible ties to Aruba when I have time later tonight  ::MonkeyCool::

Thank you Klaas and Guest!

Florida Webe Web Corporation, President Plead Guilty to Child Pornography Charges


Webe Web Corporation, a Florida corporation and the registered owner of several websites, pleaded guilty yesterday to one count of conspiracy to produce child pornography and 16 counts of transporting child pornography, announced Assistant Attorney General Lanny A. Breuer of the Criminal Division and U.S. Attorney Joyce White Vance of the Northern District of Alabama. Marc Evan Greenberg, 45, of Fort Lauderdale, Fla ., and the president and director of Webe Web, also pleaded guilty yesterday to one count of money laundering.

Webe Web Corporation and Greenberg pleaded guilty before U.S. District Court Judge C. Lynwood Smith in the Northern District of Alabama.

According to court documents, Webe Web was the registered owner of the website “www.childsupermodels.com,” which purported to be a child modeling website that promoted models 7 through 16 years old and their photographers. It contained hyperlinks to websites containing photographs of individual “child super models” featuring minor female children in various poses and wardrobes.

Greenberg and Webe Web admitted that the websites pertaining to 16 different children contained illegal images of child pornography. In some of the photos, the victims, all girls aged 8 to 15, were wearing underwear, lingerie, bathing suits and other revealing outfits, and were posed in positions that constituted child pornography.

According to court documents, viewers of the websites could preview a certain number of images for free on the website homepage. If viewers wanted to join the website to access additional photographs, they could purchase a 30-day membership for approximately $30 per month. Greenberg and Webe Web admitted that the websites depicting the 16 victims generated approximately $1 million in revenue.

Webe Web also admitted that it promoted subscriptions to these individual sites through its free advertising website known as Babble Club. On Babble Club’s website, members could receive a free sample of images of the children. According to court documents, the website encouraged the purchase of subscriptions to the individual websites of the children, and hosted discussion boards and groups which were devoted to each individual website. Babble Club members made postings to the discussion boards, which included comments on specific images they liked, the type of clothing and poses they liked, and poetry written to the photographed child. Certain members posted expressions of fondness and devotion for a photographed child.

According to court documents, the photographs of the 16 victims in this case were taken by Jeff Pierson, a former photographer based in the Birmingham, Alabama area. Pierson pleaded guilty in January 2007 to conspiracy to transport child pornography and transportation of child pornography.

Co-defendant Jeffrey Robert Libman, the vice president and director of Webe Web, was charged in an October 2006 indictment with conspiracy to produce child pornography and transportation of child pornography. These charges against Libman are pending and he is presumed innocent until proven guilty.

According to its plea agreement, Webe Web will forfeit $1 million and 19 Internet domain names. Sentencing for Greenberg and Webe Web is scheduled for Aug. 19, 2010. At sentencing, Greenberg will face up to 10 years in prison.

This case is being prosecuted by Assistant U.S. Attorneys Jim Phillips and Daniel J. Fortune of the Northern District of Alabama, Assistant Deputy Chief Alexandra Gelber of the Criminal Division’s Child Exploitation and Obscenity Section (CEOS), and Assistant U.S. Attorney Elizabeth Yusi, a former CEOS Trial Attorney.

This case was investigated by the FBI and the U.S. Postal Inspection Service. The Document and Media Exploitation Branch of the National Drug Intelligence Center provided assistance in ascertaining the revenue flow of this criminal enterprise to support analysis of and to identify the ill-gotten gains of the defendants.

http://7thspace.com/headlines/342505/florida_webe_web_corporation_president_plead_guilty_to_child_pornography_charges.html


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on October 18, 2010, 09:24:44 PM
2nd part of the email information pertains to PVDS and his visit to Miami in 2005:

Quote
Regards Miami purveyers of pornography, and a possible reason for Paulus's visit to Miami:  The following information regards "Webe web" occurred this year:  The owners of Webe web Marc Evan Greenberg and Jeff Libman who ran a "children's" modeling website and also hosted a hardcore pornography website were indicted and were/are awaiting sentencing for possession of child erotica.
 
http://www.examiner.com/law-enforcement-in-national/corporation-pleads-guilty-to-transportation-production-of-child-pornography


I found this most interesting and plan on researching any possible ties to Aruba when I have time later tonight  ::MonkeyCool::


Klaas

It appears that this was a topic of discussion back in June, 2008.

Janet

++++++


End of Thread 759
Natalee Case Discussion #759 6/18 - 6/22
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2938.0
 

Beginning of Thread 760
Natalee Case Discussion #760 6/22 - 6/26/08
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2951.0


Is it the same company?  I'm not so sure.   ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 18, 2010, 09:26:36 PM
http://www.rnw.nl/caribiana/article/smeuige-details-jorans-moordmysteries

Google translation:

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Juicy details "Joran Murder Mysteries"

Published: October 15, 2010 - 4:33 pm | by Anneke Polak    (Photo: House of Knowledge)

Read more about:    Book Joran van der Sloot John van den Heuvel Joran van der Sloot

He has been on almost every continent impossible: the Dutch Joran van der Sloot. In Aruba, he is suspect in the case of the missing American Natalee Holloway. In America they want to prosecute him for extortion of the parents of Natalee. In Thailand, he would have acted in women and Peru hopes Van der Sloot to condemn the murder of Stephanie Flores.

Reason for a book, thought crime reporter John van den Heuvel. Ever since the disappearance case in Aruba in 2005, Van den Heuvel mesmerized by this young man. His book "Joran Murder Mysteries" will not resolve the murder cases, but gives away salient details. As a previously disclosed confidential police report, but a psychiatric report on the personality of Joran.

The police report dates from 2005 and covers the first forty days after the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. Van den Heuvel calls the report "shocking." "If you look for huge mistakes have been made and how much bickering there was between the Aruban Justice Minister Rudy Croes on one side and law enforcement on the other hand, it is shocking. If things when well were arrested , as it should in a disappearance case, I think there was much suffering prevented. "

Emigration to Aruba
In April 2010, HAE van Gaalen psychiatrist with a psychiatric report on the personality of the now 23-year-old boy. It is now five years after the disappearance of Natalee and just before the murder of Stephanie Flores. Gaal the personality attributes primarily to the emigration of Joran at an early age from the Netherlands to Aruba. Therefore he had to abandon his beloved grandmother, who remained behind in the Netherlands, and he felt only between the Papiamento-speaking children with whom he in kindergarten Sat

Gaal predicts that if it all goes wrong in the short term, no significant steps are taken. And the psychiatrist was right, for less than a month later, Joran suspected of the murder of the Peruvian Stephanie Flores. The Book of the crime reporter, the literal statement of Joran, who after his arrest in Chile confesses the murder. "... I reacted impulsively by it with my right elbow to give a blow, just like her nose. There was blood everywhere. She seemed half unconscious. I was so angry that I had with both hands grabbed her throat and strangled her , one minute long. ... "

Two faces
Joran's since been stuck in the Castro Castro prison in Lima, Peru. Van den Heuvel met him there. It's a boy with two faces, he says. "Somewhere there's a guy that you just chat. It is not a conventional unfeeling villain. He is an appropriate story, but he can also suddenly its role scope and a mask. In some stages of his life he not control themselves, quite logically, in a sense, dangerous. "

Yet it seems a condemnation of Joran not one hundred percent sure. According to Van den Heuvel is not required at each line of questioning. He would have had no certified interpreter, there were words in his mouth and he's made to be deceived with the promise to Aruba to be extradited if he would sign. Van den Heuvel put his question in the functioning of the Peruvian police. "There was a tremendous will to get him behind bars and the case of Stephanie Flores problems. There is not always acted with. And then to say the least."

Mess
The same was true in 2005, in Aruba. "In the beginning they had a bit more scoring drive should have, for the first 48 hours are crucial. There are crucial mistakes. Afterwards an incompetent Minister of Justice it interfered, and it was a big mess. Other words I have not ", the crime reporter. To date, the disappearance of Natalee in Aruba case remain unresolved. In the case in Peru, Stephanie van den Heuvel not sure that he proposed 30 years in prison will get. Van den Heuvel: "Maybe it later signed a deal with the prosecution in Peru."

The book "Joran Murder Mysteries" by John van den Heuvel is in bookstores October 19.

Crime Reporter John van den Heuvel talks to Anneke Polak


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 18, 2010, 10:09:42 PM
http://www.myfoxboston.com/dpps/news/new-van-der-sloot-book-promises-answers-dpgonc-20101018-jst_10162940

New Van der Sloot Book Promises Answers

Updated: Monday, 18 Oct 2010, 10:10 AM EDT
Published : Monday, 18 Oct 2010, 10:10 AM EDT

NewsCore -- The authors of a new book about Joran van der Sloot promise to tell the "complete story" of his role in the murders of American teen Natalee Holloway and Peruvian young woman Stephany Flores.

"Joran's Murder Mysteries," due out Tuesday, was co-authored by Dutch crime reporters Bert Huisjes and John van den Heuvel and contains information gleaned from "secret research files and confidential medical documents," according to a statement from the publishers.

The book will also contain photos from inside Lima's Castro Castro prison, where Natalee Holloway's mother, Beth, snuck in to confront van der Sloot in September.

Van den Heuvel, who writes for Dutch newspaper De Telegraaf, has repeatedly broken stories about van der Sloot and recently did an interview with him in which he confessed to trying to scam Holloway's family for $25,000.

The 204-page book aims to answer several questions, according to the publisher, House of Knowledge.

"Where is Natalee? Is Joran a dangerous psychopath or a wild animal hunted by the media? Why was Stephany Flores killed exactly five years after the disappearance of Natalee?," House of Knowledge wrote in the official announcement of the book.


Van der Sloot is awaiting trial in Peru for his alleged murder of Stephany Flores in his casino hotel room. He initially confessed to the grisly murder but later retracted his statement, saying he had been forced into it by harsh interrogation.

He has long been the chief suspect in the disappearance of Alabama teenager Natalee Holloway on the vacation island of Aruba in 2005.

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 ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

This is from the House of Knowledge 2009 Catalog:  Yep, Renee Gielen's CROCKUMENTARY

Remember....No one else would touch it with a ten foot pole....

http://www.houseofknowledge.nl/media/LR%20Int%20sales%20Catalogue%202009.pdf

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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 18, 2010, 10:25:30 PM
http://www.ako.nl/product/9789085109525/jorans-moordmysteries-john-van-den-heuvel/

Joran Murder Mysteries

The mysteries surrounding the disappearance of Natalee Holloway and the killing of Stephany Flores 

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Joran in murder mysteries reveal Telegraph journalist John van den Heuvel and Bert Houses many new facts in the criminal proceedings against Joran van der Sloot. They had access to confidential medical records and secret research documents and unravel the possible conspiracy behind the disappearance of Natalee Holloway and the killing of Stephany Flores. This book, with unique photos from the infamous Castro Castro prison, is the first truly complete story of Joran van der Sloot.

It is an almost incredible story. In May 2005 an American girl disappears in Aruba: Natalee Holloway. She seems the vanished after a night out with the then 17-year-old Joran van der Sloot. Exactly five years later, another girl went missing in Peru. A search for Stephany Flores leads to a hotel room in Lima, which is in the name of Joran van der Sloot. Stephany is found murdered. Like Natalee Holloway Joran met the girl for the first time in a casino.

The charges against Joran van der Sloot now control the world news for over five years and raise many questions. Where is Natalee? Joran is a dangerous psychopath or a wild animal hunted by the media? Why Stephany Flores was exactly five years after the disappearance of Natalee murdered? What dubious role played enforcement agencies in Aruba and the United States? Joran van der Sloot ever come available?

John van den Heuvel and Bert Houses are both renowned crime reporters De Telegraaf newspaper. The authors of "Joran murder mysteries for years to publish controversial articles about serious crime. Their previous joint books of William Holleeder Era '(2008), "Fallen Angel" (2009) and "Kidnapping!" (2010) were genuine bestseller.
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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Magnolia on October 18, 2010, 10:35:50 PM
Why does it not surprise me that the new book about Joran and the Rene Gielen timeline are
from the same publisher?

I wonder if Anita gave John van den Heuvel Joran's psychiatric evaluation report.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: wreck on October 18, 2010, 10:39:43 PM
Why does it not surprise me that the new book about Joran and the Rene Gielen timeline are
from the same publisher?

I wonder if Anita gave John van den Heuvel Joran's psychiatric evaluation report.
Are we concerned this is going to be pro-Joran?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Magnolia on October 18, 2010, 10:49:57 PM
Why does it not surprise me that the new book about Joran and the Rene Gielen timeline are
from the same publisher?

I wonder if Anita gave John van den Heuvel Joran's psychiatric evaluation report.
Are we concerned this is going to be pro-Joran?


Well, I am. ::MonkeyJnBox::  I think it was hastily thrown together after Stephany's murder,
with help from Anita and her crew. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 18, 2010, 10:54:15 PM
JMO  I get a real sick feeling this new book is going to be part two of the blame anyone/everyone but Joran series....

And all of it with Anita van der Sloot right in the middle of it, and profiting from it.

Renee Gielen - blame Natalee and her family for Natalee's disappearance.

John van den Heuvel - blame ALE and the FBI for Stephany's murder.

 ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyNoNo::




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: wreck on October 18, 2010, 10:54:38 PM
Why does it not surprise me that the new book about Joran and the Rene Gielen timeline are
from the same publisher?

I wonder if Anita gave John van den Heuvel Joran's psychiatric evaluation report.
Are we concerned this is going to be pro-Joran?

Well, I am. ::MonkeyJnBox::  I think it was hastily thrown together after Stephany's murder,
with help from Anita and her crew. 

Now you have me worried!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 18, 2010, 11:00:28 PM
http://showbizzkanaal.skynetblogs.be/archive/2010/09/22/jorans-moordmysteries-door-john-van-den-heuvel-bert-huisjes.html

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/HollowayCaseNews1/09232010_JoranMurderMysteries_1.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Magnolia on October 18, 2010, 11:18:11 PM
The local news in Bham just said that in the new book Joran tells exactly what happened to Natalee.

How many times has Joran told "exactly" what happened to Natalee?  ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 18, 2010, 11:26:13 PM
Older article from June...

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/5512796/insanity_plea_unlikely_for_joran_van.html

Insanity Plea Unlikely for Joran Van Der Sloot: Mother's Declarations Won't Likely Help


Published June 22, 2010 by:
Sheila Chase

Joran van der Sloot's mother, Anita van der Sloot claims that her son is not mentally well. She says that Joran went to Peru to avoid a "high security section of a psychiatric hospital," according to CNN. Even so, CNN reports that medical authorities declare that Joran can "perceive and evaluate reality." So, what does this mean for Joran van der Sloot? Well, it certainly means that authorities are taking every precaution to secure the conviction of a sane young man, but it also means that an insanity plea would not be a wise move for Joran van der Sloot. What evidence does Joran' mother, Anita van der Sloot, really base her medical conclusion on? Was a psychiatric facility treating Joran van der Sloot as an outpatient? What warranted a "high security section" of a psychiatric facility? Even more, why would a psychiatric facility allow such a patient to leave if he needed to be in "high security"?

What about Anita van der Sloot just now telling this information? Is she telling this now just to help out her son? Why did she not tell it before to help keep others safe from her son's mental state? If, in fact, this is true that Joran went to Peru to avoid such "high security" circumstances, why did Anita van der Sloot not contact (Peruvian or Aruban) authorities? Did she not know that a person who is in need of high security psychiatric care could be harmful to self or others? Does Anita van der Sloot see that she could hold some responsibility in this situation if she's telling the truth about her son's mental fitness? According to CNN, she says that Joran suffered psychological distress because he blamed himself for his father's death. Isn't this shifting the blame, a bit?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 18, 2010, 11:31:40 PM
The local news in Bham just said that in the new book Joran tells exactly what happened to Natalee.

How many times has Joran told "exactly" what happened to Natalee?  ::MonkeyMad::

Thanks Magnolia!

And I guess law enforcement, and Natalee's family had to wait for the book to come out to find out the details of the latest story? 

 ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: wreck on October 18, 2010, 11:31:49 PM
The local news in Bham just said that in the new book Joran tells exactly what happened to Natalee.

How many times has Joran told "exactly" what happened to Natalee?  ::MonkeyMad::
Version # 10,843  ::MonkeyMad:: This too will be bullsh.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 18, 2010, 11:36:47 PM
2nd part of the email information pertains to PVDS and his visit to Miami in 2005:

Quote
Regards Miami purveyers of pornography, and a possible reason for Paulus's visit to Miami:  The following information regards "Webe web" occurred this year:  The owners of Webe web Marc Evan Greenberg and Jeff Libman who ran a "children's" modeling website and also hosted a hardcore pornography website were indicted and were/are awaiting sentencing for possession of child erotica.
 
http://www.examiner.com/law-enforcement-in-national/corporation-pleads-guilty-to-transportation-production-of-child-pornography


I found this most interesting and plan on researching any possible ties to Aruba when I have time later tonight  ::MonkeyCool::


Klaas

It appears that this was a topic of discussion back in June, 2008.

Janet

++++++


End of Thread 759
Natalee Case Discussion #759 6/18 - 6/22
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2938.0
 

Beginning of Thread 760
Natalee Case Discussion #760 6/22 - 6/26/08
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2951.0


Is it the same company?  I'm not so sure.   ::MonkeyConfused::

Rob would probably know.

Good Night All.

Janet
8:35 PM PT



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Magnolia on October 18, 2010, 11:54:13 PM
Older article from June...

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/5512796/insanity_plea_unlikely_for_joran_van.html

Insanity Plea Unlikely for Joran Van Der Sloot: Mother's Declarations Won't Likely Help


Published June 22, 2010 by:
Sheila Chase

Joran van der Sloot's mother, Anita van der Sloot claims that her son is not mentally well. She says that Joran went to Peru to avoid a "high security section of a psychiatric hospital," according to CNN. Even so, CNN reports that medical authorities declare that Joran can "perceive and evaluate reality." So, what does this mean for Joran van der Sloot? Well, it certainly means that authorities are taking every precaution to secure the conviction of a sane young man, but it also means that an insanity plea would not be a wise move for Joran van der Sloot. What evidence does Joran' mother, Anita van der Sloot, really base her medical conclusion on? Was a psychiatric facility treating Joran van der Sloot as an outpatient? What warranted a "high security section" of a psychiatric facility? Even more, why would a psychiatric facility allow such a patient to leave if he needed to be in "high security"?

What about Anita van der Sloot just now telling this information? Is she telling this now just to help out her son? Why did she not tell it before to help keep others safe from her son's mental state? If, in fact, this is true that Joran went to Peru to avoid such "high security" circumstances, why did Anita van der Sloot not contact (Peruvian or Aruban) authorities? Did she not know that a person who is in need of high security psychiatric care could be harmful to self or others? Does Anita van der Sloot see that she could hold some responsibility in this situation if she's telling the truth about her son's mental fitness? According to CNN, she says that Joran suffered psychological distress because he blamed himself for his father's death. Isn't this shifting the blame, a bit?



Anita needs to keep her stories straight.  She says one time that Joran went to avoid the phychiatric hospital.
Then she said that he was lured to Peru by the undercover FBI agent.

I guess if you are a Van der Sloot, one lie is as good as the next.

I am so glad that Beth went with Peter DeVries to Peru to try to contridict some of the lies.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 19, 2010, 12:27:58 AM
Older article from June...

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/5512796/insanity_plea_unlikely_for_joran_van.html

Insanity Plea Unlikely for Joran Van Der Sloot: Mother's Declarations Won't Likely Help


Published June 22, 2010 by:
Sheila Chase

Joran van der Sloot's mother, Anita van der Sloot claims that her son is not mentally well. She says that Joran went to Peru to avoid a "high security section of a psychiatric hospital," according to CNN. Even so, CNN reports that medical authorities declare that Joran can "perceive and evaluate reality." So, what does this mean for Joran van der Sloot? Well, it certainly means that authorities are taking every precaution to secure the conviction of a sane young man, but it also means that an insanity plea would not be a wise move for Joran van der Sloot. What evidence does Joran' mother, Anita van der Sloot, really base her medical conclusion on? Was a psychiatric facility treating Joran van der Sloot as an outpatient? What warranted a "high security section" of a psychiatric facility? Even more, why would a psychiatric facility allow such a patient to leave if he needed to be in "high security"?

What about Anita van der Sloot just now telling this information? Is she telling this now just to help out her son? Why did she not tell it before to help keep others safe from her son's mental state? If, in fact, this is true that Joran went to Peru to avoid such "high security" circumstances, why did Anita van der Sloot not contact (Peruvian or Aruban) authorities? Did she not know that a person who is in need of high security psychiatric care could be harmful to self or others? Does Anita van der Sloot see that she could hold some responsibility in this situation if she's telling the truth about her son's mental fitness? According to CNN, she says that Joran suffered psychological distress because he blamed himself for his father's death. Isn't this shifting the blame, a bit?



Anita needs to keep her stories straight.  She says one time that Joran went to avoid the phychiatric hospital.
Then she said that he was lured to Peru by the undercover FBI agent.

I guess if you are a Van der Sloot, one lie is as good as the next.

I am so glad that Beth went with Peter DeVries to Peru to try to contridict some of the lies.

It would be interesting to me to know who Anita blamed when Joran almost killed one of her other sons (Sebastian, I think but I'm not sure). 

Who's fault was that?

She's known for a long time what her oldest was capable of, she and Paulus only fueled that fire by not setting any boundaries for him; and being too proud to get him any real help.  We've all seen what resources they've come up with when they need to.  Those island guru sex counselors are not what he needed.  They just didn't want the stigma of acknowledging their "sporter" was a psychopath! 

She can lie all she wants but if she needs to find anyone else to blame for Joran's crimes, she need not look any further than a mirror.

She KNEW!  And all she's done since is LIE.

Sickening!   ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyMad::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 19, 2010, 12:38:04 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/HollowayCaseNews1/06212010_PeopleMagazine_Beth2.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/StephanyandherfatherRicardoFlores.jpg)

Justice for Natalee,
and Stephany!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on October 19, 2010, 12:46:38 AM
 ::MonkeyAngel::

Natalee's Candles

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5700.0


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: billb's daughter on October 19, 2010, 01:16:25 AM
urine a psychopath?
Of course anitass knew....knew about paulass and the pimps too.....just fun and games for the elite dutch on aruba....
anitass knew before she left the NL to return after urine's phone call.....
paulass is in hell for eternity.... ::MonkeyDevil::
urine is in hell's waiting room in Castro Castro..... ::MonkeyDevil::
COME ON DOWN...anitass......you're next.... ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on October 19, 2010, 01:20:28 AM
urine a psychopath?
Of course anitass knew....knew about paulass and the pimps too.....just fun and games for the elite dutch on aruba....
anitass knew before she left the NL to return after urine's phone call.....
paulass is in hell for eternity.... ::MonkeyDevil::
urine is in hell's waiting room in Castro Castro..... ::MonkeyDevil::
COME ON DOWN...anitass......you're next.... ::MonkeyDevil::
It's just my opinion but,I think ol' Anita is quite the orchestrator!

Good to see ya BillB! ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: billb's daughter on October 19, 2010, 01:39:32 AM
Keepthefaith...
Good to see you 2....
Justice for Natalee and Stephany is just around the corner....
At the end of the day....whether anitass and the coverup crew and american traders believe or not....Their Justice is coming too.....Just around the corner......


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on October 19, 2010, 01:49:46 AM
I have a feeling,there are many a people,who don't sleep well at night.Considering that the TRUTH WILL PREVAIL!TickTock...One dot @ a time!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: billb's daughter on October 19, 2010, 02:05:49 AM
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Good Night Good Monkeys..... ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on October 19, 2010, 02:08:40 AM
billb, 2NJSons_Mom, Keepthefaith and 3 Guests are viewing this topic.
Good Night Good Monkeys..... ::MonkeyAngel::
Goodnight BillB.. ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on October 19, 2010, 03:25:46 AM
JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY & STEPHANY FLORES

GOODNIGHT & GOD BLESS

KEEPTHEFAITH

I DO!


 ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: can on October 19, 2010, 07:25:02 AM
Why does it not surprise me that the new book about Joran and the Rene Gielen timeline are
from the same publisher?

I wonder if Anita gave John van den Heuvel Joran's psychiatric evaluation report.
Are we concerned this is going to be pro-Joran?


Well, I am. ::MonkeyJnBox::  I think it was hastily thrown together after Stephany's murder,
with help from Anita and her crew. 

I agree.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: can on October 19, 2010, 07:33:56 AM
JMO  I get a real sick feeling this new book is going to be part two of the blame anyone/everyone but Joran series....

And all of it with Anita van der Sloot right in the middle of it, and profiting from it.

Renee Gielen - blame Natalee and her family for Natalee's disappearance.

John van den Heuvel - blame ALE and the FBI for Stephany's murder.

 ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyNoNo::




 ::rhino::and with a bit of early childhood separation anxiety thrown into the mix when he had to leave Grandma in the Netherlands.  <sarcasm intended.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on October 19, 2010, 07:39:13 AM


                                         ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 19, 2010, 07:57:43 AM
The initials of the American choller don't match up for Ludwick.

http://www.bondia.com/index.php?option=com_frontpage&Itemid=1

(http://www.bondia.com/images/stories/2010/October/18a/ladron3.jpg)

Dos ladron a ser captura cu articulonan horta
Monday, 18 October 2010

TANKI LEENDERT—Diasabra madruga  polis ta bay na un cas na Tanki Leendert pa un kiebro, caminda e ladronnan ainda ta den e cas. Polis a reacciona di biaha y dos unidad ta bay den e direccion ey.  Yegando na e sitio, polis ta mira un pickup Nissan shinishi sin luz ta core bay for di e sitio. Den e auto tabatin dos persona sinta, y den baki tabatin un homber sinta ta tene un frigidair. Polis a sigui nan y nan a hisa velocidad y drenta mondi. Dado momento e pickup a para y e chauffeur y e homber sinta den baki a bula core bay. Polis a sigui busca e chauffeur, pero no a haye. E dos nan cu a wordo deteni ta e muhe C.R. naci na Colombia di 28 aña y e homber P.B. naci na USA di 35 aña, cu ta un conocido choller. Nan a keda cera pendiente investigacion.

Papiamentu translation:

two thief owing to being captura cu articulonan steal

monday, 18 october 2010

tanki leendert—diasabra madruga police is bay at one cas at tanki leendert before one kiebro, caminda the ladronnan still is in the cas. police owing to reacciona by trip y two unidad is bay in the direccion ey. yegando at the sitio, police is see one pickup nissan ash without luz is core bay for by the sitio. in the car had two person sit, y in baki had one man sit is hang on to one frigidair. police owing to follow they y they owing to hoist velocidad y come into forest. dado instant the pickup owing to bird y the chauffeur y he sit in baki owing to jump core bay. police owing to follow busca the chauffeur, but not owing to haye. the two they cu owing to wordo deteni is she c.r. naci at colombia by 28 year y he p.b. naci at using by 35 year, cu is one conocido choller. they owing to remain close pendiente investigacion. come across


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: klaasend on October 19, 2010, 10:04:00 AM
The initials of the American choller don't match up for Ludwick.

http://www.bondia.com/index.php?option=com_frontpage&Itemid=1

(http://www.bondia.com/images/stories/2010/October/18a/ladron3.jpg)

Dos ladron a ser captura cu articulonan horta
Monday, 18 October 2010

TANKI LEENDERT—Diasabra madruga  polis ta bay na un cas na Tanki Leendert pa un kiebro, caminda e ladronnan ainda ta den e cas. Polis a reacciona di biaha y dos unidad ta bay den e direccion ey.  Yegando na e sitio, polis ta mira un pickup Nissan shinishi sin luz ta core bay for di e sitio. Den e auto tabatin dos persona sinta, y den baki tabatin un homber sinta ta tene un frigidair. Polis a sigui nan y nan a hisa velocidad y drenta mondi. Dado momento e pickup a para y e chauffeur y e homber sinta den baki a bula core bay. Polis a sigui busca e chauffeur, pero no a haye. E dos nan cu a wordo deteni ta e muhe C.R. naci na Colombia di 28 aña y e homber P.B. naci na USA di 35 aña, cu ta un conocido choller. Nan a keda cera pendiente investigacion.

Papiamentu translation:

two thief owing to being captura cu articulonan steal

monday, 18 october 2010

tanki leendert—diasabra madruga police is bay at one cas at tanki leendert before one kiebro, caminda the ladronnan still is in the cas. police owing to reacciona by trip y two unidad is bay in the direccion ey. yegando at the sitio, police is see one pickup nissan ash without luz is core bay for by the sitio. in the car had two person sit, y in baki had one man sit is hang on to one frigidair. police owing to follow they y they owing to hoist velocidad y come into forest. dado instant the pickup owing to bird y the chauffeur y he sit in baki owing to jump core bay. police owing to follow busca the chauffeur, but not owing to haye. the two they cu owing to wordo deteni is she c.r. naci at colombia by 28 year y he p.b. naci at using by 35 year, cu is one conocido choller. they owing to remain close pendiente investigacion. come across

Renfro probably had them throw in the wrong initials just to mess with us  ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 19, 2010, 02:26:14 PM
Van der Sloot "true story" book
Last Update: 10/17 11:51 am


Birmingham, Al  (WIAT)  Probably no one knows the "true story" of Joran van der Sloot, including van der Sloot, but a pair of Dutch crime reporters are coming out with a book that promises just that about the accused murderer of Stephany Flores and the prime suspect in the disappearance of Mountain Brook teen Natalee Holloway.

Joran's Murder Mysteries promises "The complete story about the true role of Joran van der Sloot in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway and the killing of Stephany Flores."

The book, due out October 19, was co-written by Bert Huisjes and John van den Heuvel, the reporter who recently interviewed van der Sloot in his Castro Castro prison cell in Lima, Peru. That interview which appeared in De Telegraaf as well as on Dutch television contained little about the Natalee Holloway case beyond van der Sloot's admission that he scammed Natalee's family out of $25,000.

"I wanted to get back at Natalee's family - her parents have been making my life tough for five years," the paper quoted him as saying from prison in Peru. "When they offered to pay for the girl's location, I thought: 'Why not'?"

Since the cell block interview by van den Heuvel, van der Sloot got a surprise visit by Natalee Holloway's mother Beth who snuck into his prison as part of another Dutch TV crew.

He's also been accused of trying to by drugs from a prison guard.....allegations that his Peruvian lawyer is demanding prison officials investigate as a set up.

And his still waits a decision on his attempt to get his murder confession thrown out on technical irregularities.  He confessed to killing 21 year old student Stephany Flores after she found material relating to Natalee Holloway on his laptop.  Flores' body was found in van der Sloot's Lima hotel room five years to the day of Natalee's disappearance on a graduation trip to Aruba.  She was last seen with van der Sloot.

http://www.cbs42.com/mostpopular/story/Van-der-Sloot-true-story-book/zMY1TGGVkU2Kc8LMCiU6pA.cspx


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 19, 2010, 02:31:03 PM
If Beth's spokesperson/friend claims there is a special report forthcoming ... there is a special report forthcoming.

 ::rhino::

Janet

+++++++

REMINDER

Beth Holloway working with Dutch reporter on daughter Natalee Holloway's disappearance, spokeswoman confirms (with videos)
Published: Friday, September 17, 2010, 1:15 PM
Updated: Friday, September 17, 2010, 1:56 PM


Beth Holloway is working on a project with a Dutch television crew, but was not arrested in Peru, contrary to widespread reports, her spokeswoman said today.

"She was not arrested or detained and nothing was taken from her," said Sunny Tillman. "Beth is working with Peter de Vries on a special report. Peter can provide further comment on the content of that report." 

Tillman declined to say further what happened in Peru, but did say Holloway remains out of the United States. The TV report will appear in a few weeks.

http://blog.al.com/spotnews/2010/09/post_595.html


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 19, 2010, 02:35:50 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_79763.php

Google translation:

Weather book about Joran

October 18, 2010, 13:27 (GMT -04:00)

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ORANGE CITY / LIMA - The book "Joran Murder Mysteries' by Dutch crime reporter John van den Heuvel appears in bookstores tomorrow. In the book, the disappearance of American Natalee Holloway and the murder of the Peruvian Stephany Flores treated.

In the book are never made public a confidential police report and a psychiatric report on the personality of Joran addressed. Van den Heuvel says that in the first forty days after the disappearance of Natalee in 2005 many appalling errors. In an interview with Radio Netherlands Worldwide tells the reporter that "if you see what a huge mistakes made and there has been much bickering. Especially between the Aruban Justice Minister Rudy Croes on one side and law enforcement on the other hand, it is shocking. When things were good when it picked up, as it should in a disappearance case, I think a lot of disaster had been averted. "
Joran van der Sloot was the prime suspect in both cases. He is currently in remand at the Castro Castro prison in Lima on suspicion of the murder of the Peruvian Flores.


English version:
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_79792.php


Another book on Joran

18 Okt, 2010, 11:35 (GMT -04:00)

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ORANJESTAD/LIMA — The book ‘Joran’s Murder Mysteries’ from the Dutch crime reporter John van den Heuvel, will be available in the bookstores tomorrow. The book discusses the disappearance of the American Natalee Holloway and the murder of the Peruvian Stephany Flores.

The book elaborates on a never published confidential police report and a psychiatric report on Joran’s personality disorder. Van den Heuvel says a staggering number of mistakes were made during the first forty days after Natalee’s disappearance in 2005. In an interview with the World Broadcast, the reporter states the following. “If one sees what kind of enormous mistakes were made then and how much arguing took place, in particular between the Aruban Minister of Justice Rudy Croes on the one hand, and police and justice on the other hand, it is shocking. If matters had been handled correctly at the time, as they should be with a disappearance case, then I think considerable calamity could have been prevented.”

Joran van der Sloot is main suspect in both cases. He is currently on remand in the Castro Castro prison in Lima on suspicion of murdering the Peruvian Flores.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 19, 2010, 02:48:38 PM
The initials of the American choller don't match up for Ludwick.

http://www.bondia.com/index.php?option=com_frontpage&Itemid=1

(http://www.bondia.com/images/stories/2010/October/18a/ladron3.jpg)

Dos ladron a ser captura cu articulonan horta
Monday, 18 October 2010

TANKI LEENDERT—Diasabra madruga  polis ta bay na un cas na Tanki Leendert pa un kiebro, caminda e ladronnan ainda ta den e cas. Polis a reacciona di biaha y dos unidad ta bay den e direccion ey.  Yegando na e sitio, polis ta mira un pickup Nissan shinishi sin luz ta core bay for di e sitio. Den e auto tabatin dos persona sinta, y den baki tabatin un homber sinta ta tene un frigidair. Polis a sigui nan y nan a hisa velocidad y drenta mondi. Dado momento e pickup a para y e chauffeur y e homber sinta den baki a bula core bay. Polis a sigui busca e chauffeur, pero no a haye. E dos nan cu a wordo deteni ta e muhe C.R. naci na Colombia di 28 aña y e homber P.B. naci na USA di 35 aña, cu ta un conocido choller. Nan a keda cera pendiente investigacion.

Papiamentu translation:

two thief owing to being captura cu articulonan steal

monday, 18 october 2010

tanki leendert—diasabra madruga police is bay at one cas at tanki leendert before one kiebro, caminda the ladronnan still is in the cas. police owing to reacciona by trip y two unidad is bay in the direccion ey. yegando at the sitio, police is see one pickup nissan ash without luz is core bay for by the sitio. in the car had two person sit, y in baki had one man sit is hang on to one frigidair. police owing to follow they y they owing to hoist velocidad y come into forest. dado instant the pickup owing to bird y the chauffeur y he sit in baki owing to jump core bay. police owing to follow busca the chauffeur, but not owing to haye. the two they cu owing to wordo deteni is she c.r. naci at colombia by 28 year y he p.b. naci at using by 35 year, cu is one conocido choller. they owing to remain close pendiente investigacion. come across

Renfro probably had them throw in the wrong initials just to mess with us  ::MonkeyDevil::

Wouldn't surprise me at all.   


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 19, 2010, 02:50:52 PM
"The book elaborates on a never published confidential police report and a psychiatric report on Joran’s personality disorder."



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: klaasend on October 19, 2010, 05:30:34 PM
DON'T MISS THE DANA PRETZER SHOW TONIGHT AT 9PM ET.

Guests.

 
9pm et - Former LA County  ADA, Author and NBC News analyst Robin Sax www.robinsax.com  Discussing Keeping Grayson Home http://keepinggraysonhome.com/

 
9:25pm et - Blink from Blink On Crime www.blinkoncrime.com discussing the Hartley case http://blinkoncrime.com/2010/10/05/david-hartley-gunned-down-on-jet-ski-in-mexico-tiffany-young-hartley-facing-scrutiny/
 
9:45pm et - Domestic Violence Expert, Author Susan Murphy Milano discussing three domestic violence cases from Oklahoma http://murphymilanojournal.blogspot.com/
http://womenincrimeink.blogspot.com/2010/09/oklahoma-where-crime-blows-like-wind.html

Joe Turner discussing the murder of his daughter Chandra Turner



www.scaredmonkeysradio.com


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: klaasend on October 19, 2010, 05:31:24 PM
IMO the book is 99.9% Bull S***


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 19, 2010, 05:43:14 PM
Another dead body on the beach in Aruba.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=4954&offId=0

1 hora happen | fecha: 19/10/2010 | horario: 15:55

owing to attain one curpa without life in lama at baby beach is deal by one by edad we will follow informa come across

(http://www.awe24.com/_moblog_items/4954/3_1287518101.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on October 19, 2010, 07:13:29 PM
Another dead body on the beach in Aruba.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=4954&offId=0

1 hora happen | fecha: 19/10/2010 | horario: 15:55

owing to attain one curpa without life in lama at baby beach is deal by one by edad we will follow informa come across

(http://www.awe24.com/_moblog_items/4954/3_1287518101.jpg)

 ::MonkeyNoNo::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: jjayinthemorning on October 19, 2010, 07:27:57 PM
what is the death ratio in Aruba. Seems kinda high?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 19, 2010, 08:37:50 PM
what is the death ratio in Aruba. Seems kinda high?

Don't know, but whatever the reports say it is...it's higher.

JMO


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on October 19, 2010, 08:43:09 PM
what is the death ratio in Aruba. Seems kinda high?

Don't know, but whatever the reports say it is...it's higher.

JMO

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: Oh, TM! You know them!!   :smt045


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: klaasend on October 19, 2010, 08:47:32 PM
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/Pretzer101910.jpg)

http://scaredmonkeysradio.com/radio.m3u


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 19, 2010, 09:25:25 PM
http://www.24ora.com/policial-mainmenu-8/23198-truck-di-brandweer-envolvi-den-accidente-grave-den-george-madurostraat.html

Victima di accidente na cruzada di George Madurostraat a fayece      

Tuesday, 19 October 2010 16:28
 
Den oranan di diamars atardi, a drenta informe cu lo tabata tin un accidente basta grave na e cruzada di George Madurostraat. Ta trata aki di un Toyota Tercel y un truck di Brandweer. Tabata tin un persona envolvi den e accidente.  Click lesa mas pa e update... Cu urgencia ambulance a transporte pa hospital pa asina dune tratamento medico cu urgencia.

Victima: Rosalind A. Belgrave, U.S.A. 14 maart 1960. kedando na Quillstraat 1 di vakantie.

E victima a ser transporta den condicion hopi grave pa hospitaal cu ambulance pero no tabata dunando senjal di bida. Na yegada a constat morto e dr. na warda. E victima tabata sinta como pasahero hunto un miembro di famia cu tanbe a keda herida pero ta stabiel. E auto cu e victimanan tabata core aden ta un Tercel blanco A-16804 y a accidenta contra un truck di Brandweer.

Update: E persona envolvi den e accidente lamentablemente nos tin cu menciona cu a fayece a consecuencia di e heridanan ricibi.



Papiamentu translation:

victima by accidente at cruzada by george madurostraat owing to fayece

tuesday, 19 october 2010 16:28

in oranan by tuesday afternoon, owing to come into informe cu will was have one accidente enough important at the cruzada by george madurostraat. is deal here by one toyota tercel y one truck by brandweer. was have one person envolvi in the accidente. click read more for her update... cu urgencia ambulance owing to transporte before hospital before so dune tratamento medico cu urgencia.

victima: rosalind owing to. belgrave, u.s.a. 14 march 1960. kedando at quillstraat 1 by vakantie. the victima owing to being transporta in condicion quite important before hospitaal cu ambulance but not was dunando senjal by life. at arrival owing to constat dead the dr. at keep. the victima was sit because passenger together one acolyte by family cu tanbe owing to remain injury but is stabiel. the car cu the victimanan was core inside is one tercel blanco a-16804 y owing to accidenta contra one truck by brandweer.

update: the person envolvi in the accidente alas we have cu menciona cu owing to fayece owing to consecuencia by the heridanan ricibi.
 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 19, 2010, 09:33:17 PM
Another dead body on the beach in Aruba.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=4954&offId=0

1 hora happen | fecha: 19/10/2010 | horario: 15:55

owing to attain one curpa without life in lama at baby beach is deal by one by edad we will follow informa come across

(http://www.awe24.com/_moblog_items/4954/3_1287518101.jpg)

http://www.24ora.com/policial-mainmenu-8/23197-curpa-di-turista-haya-ta-drief-na-baby-beach.html

Papiamentu translation:

curpa by tourist attain is drief at baby beach

tuesday, 19 october 2010 16:09

in oranan by afternoon, owing to come into informe cu one curpa without life owing to wordo attain at baby beach. at once autoridadnan competente owing to wordo laydown at altitude by the situation y owing to present at the sitio. according informenan not oficial is deal here by one person by edad avanza cu posiblemente will owing to become bad in water y owing to fayece. here rato we will come cu more detayes by the caso regrettable. at famianan by the fayecido, we is extende we more sincere words by condolencia.

victima: robert barbach, u.s.a. 13 sept 1952. kedando at caribbean palm village cu her senjora. dr. boderie owing to constata dead before 14:55 door by hogamento. according informacion the was one hart patient


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: klaasend on October 19, 2010, 10:12:14 PM
DJ Diablo - Moomba's 10/17/2010

http://www.clickonaruba.com/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=627

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/DJDiabloCroesMoomba101710.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 19, 2010, 10:12:28 PM
http://www.24ora.com/policial-mainmenu-8/23198-truck-di-brandweer-envolvi-den-accidente-grave-den-george-madurostraat.html

Victima di accidente na cruzada di George Madurostraat a fayece      

Tuesday, 19 October 2010 16:28
 
Den oranan di diamars atardi, a drenta informe cu lo tabata tin un accidente basta grave na e cruzada di George Madurostraat. Ta trata aki di un Toyota Tercel y un truck di Brandweer. Tabata tin un persona envolvi den e accidente.  Click lesa mas pa e update... Cu urgencia ambulance a transporte pa hospital pa asina dune tratamento medico cu urgencia.

Victima: Rosalind A. Belgrave, U.S.A. 14 maart 1960. kedando na Quillstraat 1 di vakantie.

E victima a ser transporta den condicion hopi grave pa hospitaal cu ambulance pero no tabata dunando senjal di bida. Na yegada a constat morto e dr. na warda. E victima tabata sinta como pasahero hunto un miembro di famia cu tanbe a keda herida pero ta stabiel. E auto cu e victimanan tabata core aden ta un Tercel blanco A-16804 y a accidenta contra un truck di Brandweer.

Update: E persona envolvi den e accidente lamentablemente nos tin cu menciona cu a fayece a consecuencia di e heridanan ricibi.



Papiamentu translation:

victima by accidente at cruzada by george madurostraat owing to fayece

tuesday, 19 october 2010 16:28

in oranan by tuesday afternoon, owing to come into informe cu will was have one accidente enough important at the cruzada by george madurostraat. is deal here by one toyota tercel y one truck by brandweer. was have one person envolvi in the accidente. click read more for her update... cu urgencia ambulance owing to transporte before hospital before so dune tratamento medico cu urgencia.

victima: rosalind owing to. belgrave, u.s.a. 14 march 1960. kedando at quillstraat 1 by vakantie. the victima owing to being transporta in condicion quite important before hospitaal cu ambulance but not was dunando senjal by life. at arrival owing to constat dead the dr. at keep. the victima was sit because passenger together one acolyte by family cu tanbe owing to remain injury but is stabiel. the car cu the victimanan was core inside is one tercel blanco a-16804 y owing to accidenta contra one truck by brandweer.

update: the person envolvi in the accidente alas we have cu menciona cu owing to fayece owing to consecuencia by the heridanan ricibi.
 

6 hora happen | fecha: 19/10/2010 | horario: 15:45

lady pasajero is fayece after by was envolvi in accidente in vondellaan

the ultimo caso tragico by tuesday afternoon, is one accidente by car cu result fateful. the accidente here owing to sosode n’e cruzada george madurostraat y vondellaan. here the car, a-16804, maneha before tourist for by new jersey, but kendenan have family at aruba, e.o. the member of parliament by avp, lorna jansen- verlack. was more or less 3.55 cu central by police is attain informacion by one accidente enough earnest did take lugar n’e cruzada menciona, where the car by family not owing to give pit y consecuentemente one truck by cuerpo by bombero, carga cu water owing to come strike in the car by family. in the car, had one passenger more the chofer. one by the pasaheronan cu was sit at near, not was give sign by life. but so self, two ambulance owing to acudi n’e sitio y owing to dicidi before transporta everybody before dr. horacio the. oduber hospital. at hospital owing to constata dead by sra. roselind a. belgrave, that owing to nace at new jersey day 14 by march 1960 (50 aña). at family by all the fayecidonan is bay we more sincero condolencia. manner menciona in lapso by less by 2 hour, aruba owing to conoce 3 dead tragico.

Edit to add link to post-MB http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=4962&offId=0


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 19, 2010, 10:13:12 PM
link for my last post:

http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=4962&offId=0


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 19, 2010, 10:14:56 PM
Great show Dana!   ::MonkeyCool::

God bless Joe Turner and his family.  May they eventually see justice in the murder of their 23 year old daughter Chandra.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 19, 2010, 10:16:19 PM


Blink rocks too!    ::MonkeyGavel::


Thanks to all of Dana's guests tonight!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 19, 2010, 10:20:45 PM
DJ Diablo - Moomba's 10/17/2010

http://www.clickonaruba.com/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=627

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/DJDiabloCroesMoomba101710.jpg)

Wart? And look at those thumbnails.  Somebody send that guy some clippers!

  acccckkkkkk!   :smt078


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: San on October 19, 2010, 10:34:07 PM
DJ Diablo - Moomba's 10/17/2010

http://www.clickonaruba.com/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=627

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/DJDiabloCroesMoomba101710.jpg)

Wart? And look at those thumbnails.  Somebody send that guy some clippers!

  acccckkkkkk!   :smt078

Ain't that disgusting


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 19, 2010, 10:37:04 PM
http://www.24ora.com/policial-mainmenu-8/23202-nombernan-den-tur-tres-caso-tragico-di-diamars-atardi.html

Papiamentu translation:

nombernan in all three caso tragico by tuesday afternoon.

tuesday, 19 october 2010 22:11

aruba owing to conoce three caso tragico today tuesday afternoon. was manner one cloud dark owing to happen on we island. here two person man owing to lose they life y one senjora. was have one man by aruba owing to die horca, one man naci at merca owing to die hoga y one senjora naci at merca owing to die in accidente fateful in klip. will repasa the nombernan cu three caso before everybody have one view. one caso was the horcamento in paaz caminda he daniel augusto queen naci at aruba 5-08-1955 be alive at stone plat hayando tratamento owing to comete suicidio horcando her self. also at baby beach the tourist robert barbach naci at merca 13-09-1952 owing to lose her life. probably past owing to hoga. y tuesday afternoon one truck by bombero owing to strike in one tercel cu not owing to give pit on the cruzada george madurostraat cu vondelaan. here the senjora rosalind owing to belgrave naci at merca 14-03-1960 owing to fayece. paz at soul by all three y forza at the family. come across

(I think the suicide may have been by hanging.  If I understand correctly the man was a mental patient.)

http://www.24ora.com/policial-mainmenu-8/23194-patient-di-paaz-a-pone-fin-na-su-bida.html

Papiamentu translation:

patient by paaz owing to laydown end at her life

tuesday, 19 october 2010 16:00

in oranan by afternoon early, we owing to ricibi informacion cu one patient by paaz will owing to laydown end at her life. at once we reporteronan owing to mobilisa for her sitio y mirando cu the acceso before hospital is close, they owing to come succeed yet attain some informacion cu the person will owing to laydown end at her life. at the momentonan here is wardando doctor before so confirma this. unidadnan policial is at the sitio before so haci they investigacion. remain pendiente before photograph y more informacion. for by at present come to anend, is extende we more sincere words by condolencia at family by the fayecido. victima: daniel augusto rijna, aruba 5 by august 1955. stone plat 30. dr. wendy van der berg owing to constata dead 15:35 door by horcamento. is deal by one patient cu was one some altera the day ey y owing to horca her self cu one piece panja at her self cama.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 19, 2010, 10:38:10 PM
DJ Diablo - Moomba's 10/17/2010

http://www.clickonaruba.com/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=627

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/DJDiabloCroesMoomba101710.jpg)

Wart? And look at those thumbnails.  Somebody send that guy some clippers!

  acccckkkkkk!   :smt078

Ain't that disgusting

Yes it is. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: wreck on October 19, 2010, 10:46:45 PM
DJ Diablo - Moomba's 10/17/2010

http://www.clickonaruba.com/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=627

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/DJDiabloCroesMoomba101710.jpg)

Wart? And look at those thumbnails.  Somebody send that guy some clippers!

  acccckkkkkk!   :smt078

Ain't that disgusting

Yes it is. 
It's the moron's eyebrows that tell the story.  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 19, 2010, 11:25:25 PM
DJ Diablo - Moomba's 10/17/2010

http://www.clickonaruba.com/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=627

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/DJDiabloCroesMoomba101710.jpg)

Wart? And look at those thumbnails.  Somebody send that guy some clippers!

  acccckkkkkk!   :smt078

Ain't that disgusting

Yes it is. 
It's the moron's eyebrows that tell the story.  ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on October 19, 2010, 11:28:52 PM
DJ Diablo - Moomba's 10/17/2010

http://www.clickonaruba.com/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=627

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/DJDiabloCroesMoomba101710.jpg)

Wart? And look at those thumbnails.  Somebody send that guy some clippers!

  acccckkkkkk!   :smt078

Ain't that disgusting

Yep....does that mean he uses them for spoons?....ugh!!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: robots on October 19, 2010, 11:33:33 PM
eyebrows, fingernails, and the WART on his hand is too much for me..



geeeeeeeeeeeshhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
 ::rhino::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: robots on October 19, 2010, 11:34:47 PM
oh yea, and the very attractive "beard"


goodness gracious   holy moses  smell the roses

he is a ::rhino:: ::MonkeyShovel:: freaking monster


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: robots on October 19, 2010, 11:35:32 PM
almost a very overweight  MISTER SPOCK  ::MonkeyJnBox::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 19, 2010, 11:40:51 PM
eyebrows, fingernails, and the WART on his hand is too much for me..



geeeeeeeeeeeshhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
 ::rhino::

Ain't that the truth!   ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 19, 2010, 11:41:52 PM
DJ Diablo - Moomba's 10/17/2010

http://www.clickonaruba.com/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=627

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/DJDiabloCroesMoomba101710.jpg)

Wart? And look at those thumbnails.  Somebody send that guy some clippers!

  acccckkkkkk!   :smt078

Ain't that disgusting

Yep....does that mean he uses them for spoons?....ugh!!!

He must be saving them for something!   ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on October 20, 2010, 12:02:03 AM
what is the death ratio in Aruba. Seems kinda high?

Don't know, but whatever the reports say it is...it's higher.

JMO

 ::MonkeyDevil::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: wreck on October 20, 2010, 12:15:09 AM
Any Yankee fans here??  ::CowboySmiley::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on October 20, 2010, 12:16:28 AM
Any Yankee fans here??  ::CowboySmiley::

 ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 20, 2010, 12:25:55 AM
(http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l266/californialighthousepics1/j4nbirdi.png)

Carp - Scared Monkeys

+++++++++

Freebird

If I leave here tomorrow
Would you still remember me?


Lynyrd Skynyrd


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 20, 2010, 12:38:31 AM
http://www.awemainta.com/noticia/?p=1783

Papiamentu translation:

wind new y fresco suplando in directie cultuur (minesc)

(http://www.awemainta.com/noticia/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/Untitled-11.jpg)

(http://www.awemainta.com/noticia/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/Untitled-18.jpg)



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 20, 2010, 12:39:31 AM
Any Yankee fans here??  ::CowboySmiley::

 ::MonkeyDevil:: ::CowboySmiley::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on October 20, 2010, 12:51:22 AM
DJ Diablo - Moomba's 10/17/2010

http://www.clickonaruba.com/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=627

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/DJDiabloCroesMoomba101710.jpg)

Wart? And look at those thumbnails.  Somebody send that guy some clippers!

  acccckkkkkk!   :smt078

At first I thought he had his Christening Bonnet on.

Wart--wonder where he picked up the virus?

 ::MonkeyEek::

Are striped eyebrows the newest thing, or is he part zebra?

 ::MonkeyTongue::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on October 20, 2010, 01:18:09 AM
(http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l266/californialighthousepics1/j4nbirdi.png)

Carp - Scared Monkeys

+++++++++

Freebird

If I leave here tomorrow
Would you still remember me?


Lynyrd Skynyrd


Absolutely, our little Freebird! 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on October 20, 2010, 04:54:16 AM

                                         (http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j120/Bearlyhere/Monkey%20Cases/Natalee.png)     


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on October 20, 2010, 04:55:02 AM

                      (http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j120/Bearlyhere/Monkey%20Cases/StephanyFlores_takentoosoon-1.jpg)



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: San on October 20, 2010, 06:34:15 AM
Any Yankee fans here??  ::CowboySmiley::

 ::MonkeyDevil:: ::CowboySmiley::

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: They don't deserve to win.  Now with one of their main players injured in last nights game they won't win.

But on a good note my sister is going to today's game.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: San on October 20, 2010, 06:34:48 AM
Good Morning to all and have a great day.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: can on October 20, 2010, 08:18:55 AM
Good Morning to all and have a great day.

Thank you and back atcha!   ::MonkeyBike::

Good morning Monkeys!

Justice for Natalee and Stefany!
 ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on October 20, 2010, 08:29:57 AM
Good Morning to all and have a great day.

Thanks, San, same to you and all the Monkeys.

 ::Baseball::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 20, 2010, 10:55:44 AM
(http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l266/californialighthousepics1/j4nbirdi.png)

Carp - Scared Monkeys

+++++++++

Freebird

If I leave here tomorrow
Would you still remember me?


Lynyrd Skynyrd


Absolutely, our little Freebird! 

 ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 20, 2010, 01:32:24 PM
Cleaning Fluid?

Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Page 126:
  Then finally, ten days after Natalee's disappearance, our prayers are answered.  The police move in the right direction.  They arrest Joran van der Sloot and Deepak and Satish Kalpoe on suspicion of kidnapping and murder.  The suspects had ten days to cover their tracks.  Ten days to corroborate their stories.  And ten days to lawyer up.

Page 127:  Blood is pooling on the linoleum floor from the injection site in my arm.  The young female Aruban technician is struggling with the vials that will hold my DNA sample.  One will be sent to the Netherlands and one to the FBI crime lab in Quantico, Virginia.

Page 128:  After ten days Deepak's car is finally impounded.  Also, Joran's private apartment at the van der Sloot home is finally searched.  But not the whole house.  Now the FBI has my DNA on file so it can be compared with evidence that might be collected.

Page 138:  There were tips that the Kalpoe brothers were seen washing their car, scrubbing it inside and out, in the wee hours of the morning of May 30, the same morning Natalee disappeared with them.  So why did they decide to wash it at three-thirty or four o'clock in the morning of the day Natalee disappeared?  Were they washing out blood?  Vomit?  What are the results of the samples taken from the interior of Deepak's car?  The prosecutor says they were sent to the Dutch Forensic Institute.  And she later reports to us that the finds from the luminal test showed "cleaning fluid, not blood."  Cleaning fluid.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Kermit on October 20, 2010, 02:11:03 PM
KALPOES ATTORNEY'S - WHO & WHY WOULD THEY REPRESENT THOSE
DOO-DOO's??? cuz it doesn't make sense that Aruba LE turned over the Skeeters tape to Sam Redman/Scrux and Julia Renfro was involved with that.

 It doesn't make any sense that a mainly insurance litigator would represent a defamation lawsuit. Why would this law firm represent a couple of guys who were admited by their own confessions involved in the kidnapping/murder of Natalee Holloway and by Judge Smid said they were involved in "body disposal". AND where'd they get the MONEY to PAY THIS law firm????..............

Cremer represented Hotel Royal Playacar,Which is owned by Occidental Hotel Management,which owns the Occidental Grand Aruba!
 
OCCIDENTAL HOTELS MANAGEMENT
Edmund J. Siegert, Chicago, IL, (Cremer Kopon Shaughnessy & Spina) of the Illinois bar, admitted pro hac vice, argued the cause for appellant Hotel Royal Playacar, S.A. de C.V. (McDermott & McGee, attorneys;  Thomas A. Wester, Milburn, and Joshua D. Yeager (Cremer, Kopon, Shaughnessy & Spina) of the Illinois bar, admitted pro hac vice, on the brief
 
Occidental Grand Aruba
http://www.occidentalhotels.com/occidental/DestinationAruba.asp


The Americana became the Allegro Resort and now operates under the name of Occidental Grand Aruba; the Sheraton was renamed the Aruba Grand before undergoing a true metamorphosis: it is now a part of the prestigious Riu Palace.
 
http://www.historiadiaruba.aw/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=24&Itemid=39&lang=en

Allergro is where the two Security guards that DEEPAK AND SATISH IDEINTFIED as being the ones who were with Natalee



AHATA Board members voted in are businessman Eduardo de Veer, Renaissance/Meta Corp; Banker Bill Carson, Caribbean Mercantile Bank; hotelier Scott Allen, Hyatt Regency; Director Peter Steinmetz, Aruba Airport Authority; Public Relations official David Smith, Valero Oil Refinery, Lisette Malmberg, De Palm Tours and hotelier Werner Hein, Occidental Resort. The election process was assisted by Dr. Ryan Peterson, Universidad di Aruba, attorney Antonio Carlo and  Marlene Purcell, Salamander Holdings under the supervision of consultant Jaap Beaujon. The new board is seen here in the picture with members of the outgoing board and Jorge Pesquera AHATA’s President and CEO.
 
http://arubanboycott.blogspot.com/2007_08_01_archive.html



The lecture, dedicated to the memory of my father, Kong Ming Cheung, 
was extremely successful.  We had about 450 people attend, more than four times as many as the previous lecture at the Universidad di Aruba in 2006. We were supposed to speak for two hours, but it lasted more than 3 hours due to the many excellent questions from the audience.  It was a fun evening. Many thanks to Peter Cheung (graphics), 
Rosalie Klein (public relations), 
Jesus Cardoso & Janith Agunbero (Occidental Grand Aruba), 
Prographics (posters), and ECA NV (radio spots).
http://www.edcheung.com/album/album09/aua2/aua.htm


So Cremer has represented OCCIDENTAL HOTELS AND NOW LETS SEE WHO MAY HAVE MADE A PHONE CALL TO HIRE AN ATTORNEY FOR KALPOE BROTHERS????? i MEAN SOMEONE HAD TO KNOW AN ATTORNEY. WOULD YOU KNOW WHO TO CALL? LIKE PAULUS AND ANITA SEEMED TO HAVE JOE TACOPINA'S PHONE NUMBER WHO JUST HAPPENED TO BE AN ATTORNEY FOR  MAFIA - GOTTI. HOW MANY PEOPLE CAN CALL UP A MAFIA ATTORNEY?
 

Jesus Cardoso is or has been:
*PRESIDENT OF ARUBA HOTEL SECURITY FOUNDATION
*ON BOARD OF DIRECTOR OF AHATA
* GENERAL MANAGER OF OCCIDENTAL GRAND ARUBA


Jesus Cardoso, President of the Aruba Hotel Security Foundation (AHSF) co-financed by the course, explains why. "There is a chance that hotels be held liable should it go wrong. It will therefore be found where a legal structure to protect the hotels.
"Another problem is lack of money. AHSF namely to establish such a separate organization than the use of lifeguards will govern. This requires more funds to be recruited, says Cardoso. He says the two drowning cases regrettable. Not long ago there were in his way even lifeguards by the popular beach resorts were watching. The reason why these are no longer there, do not Cardoso.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8277.300

POSTED BY: texasmom
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=6448.1360
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%2014%20122009/12292009AweMaintaPg16.jpg


(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/JesusCardosoAndresPichardo.jpg)


http://www.ahata.com/AboutUs/BoardOfDirectors.aspx
Jesus Cardoso-Gonzalez - General Manager Occidental Grand Aruba
on the Board of Directors for AHATA


Occidental Hotels
CORPORATE HEADQUARTERS
Strawinskylaan 1725
Amsterdam, Noord-Holland 1077 Netherlands


(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/Fun%20stuff/m_02ff2488663289106de0037b614c0977.gif)


CAN WE FIND ANY OTHER CONNECTIONS MONKEYS???


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 20, 2010, 02:56:55 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_79870.php

Google translation:


Dompig Bouterse government adviser

October 20, 2010, 14:00 (GMT -04:00)

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ORANGE CITY - Gerold Dompig, former police chief in Aruba, has a new job as Justice and Police Adviser in the Office of the President of Suriname, Desi Bouterse.

He sits there as an independent. "I am a consultant, so he informed The Daily. Dompig was born in Suriname in 1961, followed the police academy in the Netherlands in 1996 and was employed by the Aruba Police Force. He made rapid career. In 2003, then-Justice Minister Rudy Croes him as the new director of the Criminal Investigation Team. The Netherlands held the appointment at, because it doubted Dompig's judicial integrity. Netherlands demanded a background investigation. Croes was 'no need'. Netherlands drew the subsequent vacancy.

Dompig was then given by Croes the police station north of the district assigned. In subsequent years, he appeared frequently in the news again. That was mainly because the commissioner from 2005 to 2006 led the investigation into the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. Dompig In 2007 at the age of 46 years with early retirement. He then started a consultancy in the field of security.

After the election of Desi Bouterse middle of this year he returned to Suriname. There he is now the right hand of Minister Martin Misiedjan, by Bouterse was chosen as administrator for the mail Justice and Police. The Ministry is currently harvesting interest because it "cuts because" the police protection of the judges in the process to remove 8 December. Desi Bouterse is the prime suspect in this process.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 20, 2010, 03:00:09 PM
http://www.awemainta.com/noticia/?p=1783

Papiamentu translation:

wind new y fresco suplando in directie cultuur (minesc)

(http://www.awemainta.com/noticia/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/Untitled-11.jpg)

(http://www.awemainta.com/noticia/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/Untitled-18.jpg)



http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_79869.php

Google translation:


ARUBA

Management Department for Culture

October 20, 2010, 13:59 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - Zahira Zaandam, Vicky Arends and Angelo Tromp as management team was appointed to lead Department of Culture (DCA). This brings an end to the interim directorship of Jan van der Straten in recent months.

The employees of DCA complained for years about the leadership of former director Ruby Eckmeyer. The problems played since the appointment of Eckmeyer. Employees of Department of Culture found that they carried a dictatorial policy and too much money. The staff made several times working.

Even after it was announced that a committee be appointed, was rummaging inside the DCA. Workers complained to the minister about insults and intimidation by Eckmeyer. The minister seized earlier this year and caused a temporary exemption from Eckmeyer. Former Superintendent Jan van der Straten took its functions and powers temporarily. Now the interim director is replaced by a management team as Tourist ATA by such a team led.

Recently, Minister Michelle Hooyboer-Winklaar (AVP) at the Department of Culture by to congratulate them and her gratitude to the staff to convey the patience for the past few months. She assured the employees that "everything that has lain quietly for years, as soon as is feasible.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 20, 2010, 03:03:05 PM
Another dead body on the beach in Aruba.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=4954&offId=0

1 hora happen | fecha: 19/10/2010 | horario: 15:55

owing to attain one curpa without life in lama at baby beach is deal by one by edad we will follow informa come across

(http://www.awe24.com/_moblog_items/4954/3_1287518101.jpg)

http://www.24ora.com/policial-mainmenu-8/23197-curpa-di-turista-haya-ta-drief-na-baby-beach.html

Papiamentu translation:

curpa by tourist attain is drief at baby beach

tuesday, 19 october 2010 16:09

in oranan by afternoon, owing to come into informe cu one curpa without life owing to wordo attain at baby beach. at once autoridadnan competente owing to wordo laydown at altitude by the situation y owing to present at the sitio. according informenan not oficial is deal here by one person by edad avanza cu posiblemente will owing to become bad in water y owing to fayece. here rato we will come cu more detayes by the caso regrettable. at famianan by the fayecido, we is extende we more sincere words by condolencia.

victima: robert barbach, u.s.a. 13 sept 1952. kedando at caribbean palm village cu her senjora. dr. boderie owing to constata dead before 14:55 door by hogamento. according informacion the was one hart patient

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_79863.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

Re drowning at Baby Beach

October 20, 2010, 13:54 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - A U.S. tourist has drowned yesterday afternoon at Baby Beach. The floating, lifeless body of Robert Barbach (born 1952) was about a quarter to three in the afternoon found in the bay. His family initially thought he might have had a heart attack. Barbach were, in fact under the care of a cardiologist. The doctor who reported the incident, said the death but to "an excess of water in the lungs. How the man from drowning, is not known. According to police, there are no eyewitnesses. Barbach stayed with his family to the Caribbean Palm Village Hotel.

It is the fifth time this year that tourists are killed by drowning at Baby Beach. The other incidents occurred in the months April, June and August. In connection with the tragedy announced Tourism Minister Otmar Oduber (AVP) in August that there will be lifeguards. These lifeguards are trained now, but the money to wait on the beach places has not yet been released. The minister also said that 'clear information' must be provided to tourists. He refers to warning signs.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 20, 2010, 03:08:39 PM
http://www.24ora.com/policial-mainmenu-8/23198-truck-di-brandweer-envolvi-den-accidente-grave-den-george-madurostraat.html

Victima di accidente na cruzada di George Madurostraat a fayece      

Tuesday, 19 October 2010 16:28
 
Den oranan di diamars atardi, a drenta informe cu lo tabata tin un accidente basta grave na e cruzada di George Madurostraat. Ta trata aki di un Toyota Tercel y un truck di Brandweer. Tabata tin un persona envolvi den e accidente.  Click lesa mas pa e update... Cu urgencia ambulance a transporte pa hospital pa asina dune tratamento medico cu urgencia.

Victima: Rosalind A. Belgrave, U.S.A. 14 maart 1960. kedando na Quillstraat 1 di vakantie.

E victima a ser transporta den condicion hopi grave pa hospitaal cu ambulance pero no tabata dunando senjal di bida. Na yegada a constat morto e dr. na warda. E victima tabata sinta como pasahero hunto un miembro di famia cu tanbe a keda herida pero ta stabiel. E auto cu e victimanan tabata core aden ta un Tercel blanco A-16804 y a accidenta contra un truck di Brandweer.

Update: E persona envolvi den e accidente lamentablemente nos tin cu menciona cu a fayece a consecuencia di e heridanan ricibi.



Papiamentu translation:

victima by accidente at cruzada by george madurostraat owing to fayece

tuesday, 19 october 2010 16:28

in oranan by tuesday afternoon, owing to come into informe cu will was have one accidente enough important at the cruzada by george madurostraat. is deal here by one toyota tercel y one truck by brandweer. was have one person envolvi in the accidente. click read more for her update... cu urgencia ambulance owing to transporte before hospital before so dune tratamento medico cu urgencia.

victima: rosalind owing to. belgrave, u.s.a. 14 march 1960. kedando at quillstraat 1 by vakantie. the victima owing to being transporta in condicion quite important before hospitaal cu ambulance but not was dunando senjal by life. at arrival owing to constat dead the dr. at keep. the victima was sit because passenger together one acolyte by family cu tanbe owing to remain injury but is stabiel. the car cu the victimanan was core inside is one tercel blanco a-16804 y owing to accidenta contra one truck by brandweer.

update: the person envolvi in the accidente alas we have cu menciona cu owing to fayece owing to consecuencia by the heridanan ricibi.
 

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_79864.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

Dead in road accident involving fire truck

October 20, 2010, 13:54 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - At the intersection of the George Vondellaan Madurostraat in Oranjestad, less than 50 meters away from the office of the Daily Herald, took place yesterday afternoon at three fifty a heavy traffic area with a fatal accident.

A fire truck on its way from the barracks in Tanki Flip airport rammed a car from the side when he allegedly from George Madurostraat without prioritize Vondellaan drove on. "Suddenly this car from the side road. We could not even brake, "said one of the firefighters who rode in the fire. The fire truck slammed head-on the passenger side of the car. The female passenger, the American tourist Rosalind Belgrave (60) this immediately lost consciousness.

Her husband, Glenn Belgrave, was still conscious but seriously injured, police said. The firefighters rushed up to the two come to their aid. A material car was called, which include an iron scissors were brought to the occupants of the car free. Police and two ambulances were on site and the area was closed off to bystanders while Glenn, nephew of ASF Lorna Varlack parliamentarian, was released. It took a bit more effort to his wife Rosalind that still gave no sign of life from the car to get. While the couple was placed in ambulances and rushed to the hospital were brought to the firemen, some of them visibly excited, along with the material car. One of them told the Daily Herald was very likely was that the female passenger to the hospital would not make. "It looked that she had broken her neck." Shortly after her death confirmed by police spokesman John Larmonie. Rosalind Belgrave is the seventeenth fatal road accident in 2010.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 20, 2010, 03:12:50 PM
KALPOES ATTORNEY'S - WHO & WHY WOULD THEY REPRESENT THOSE
DOO-DOO's??? cuz it doesn't make sense that Aruba LE turned over the Skeeters tape to Sam Redman/Scrux and Julia Renfro was involved with that.

 It doesn't make any sense that a mainly insurance litigator would represent a defamation lawsuit. Why would this law firm represent a couple of guys who were admited by their own confessions involved in the kidnapping/murder of Natalee Holloway and by Judge Smid said they were involved in "body disposal". AND where'd they get the MONEY to PAY THIS law firm????..............

Cremer represented Hotel Royal Playacar,Which is owned by Occidental Hotel Management,which owns the Occidental Grand Aruba!
 
OCCIDENTAL HOTELS MANAGEMENT
Edmund J. Siegert, Chicago, IL, (Cremer Kopon Shaughnessy & Spina) of the Illinois bar, admitted pro hac vice, argued the cause for appellant Hotel Royal Playacar, S.A. de C.V. (McDermott & McGee, attorneys;  Thomas A. Wester, Milburn, and Joshua D. Yeager (Cremer, Kopon, Shaughnessy & Spina) of the Illinois bar, admitted pro hac vice, on the brief
 
Occidental Grand Aruba
http://www.occidentalhotels.com/occidental/DestinationAruba.asp


The Americana became the Allegro Resort and now operates under the name of Occidental Grand Aruba; the Sheraton was renamed the Aruba Grand before undergoing a true metamorphosis: it is now a part of the prestigious Riu Palace.
 
http://www.historiadiaruba.aw/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=24&Itemid=39&lang=en

Allergro is where the two Security guards that DEEPAK AND SATISH IDEINTFIED as being the ones who were with Natalee



AHATA Board members voted in are businessman Eduardo de Veer, Renaissance/Meta Corp; Banker Bill Carson, Caribbean Mercantile Bank; hotelier Scott Allen, Hyatt Regency; Director Peter Steinmetz, Aruba Airport Authority; Public Relations official David Smith, Valero Oil Refinery, Lisette Malmberg, De Palm Tours and hotelier Werner Hein, Occidental Resort. The election process was assisted by Dr. Ryan Peterson, Universidad di Aruba, attorney Antonio Carlo and  Marlene Purcell, Salamander Holdings under the supervision of consultant Jaap Beaujon. The new board is seen here in the picture with members of the outgoing board and Jorge Pesquera AHATA’s President and CEO.
 
http://arubanboycott.blogspot.com/2007_08_01_archive.html



The lecture, dedicated to the memory of my father, Kong Ming Cheung, 
was extremely successful.  We had about 450 people attend, more than four times as many as the previous lecture at the Universidad di Aruba in 2006. We were supposed to speak for two hours, but it lasted more than 3 hours due to the many excellent questions from the audience.  It was a fun evening. Many thanks to Peter Cheung (graphics), 
Rosalie Klein (public relations), 
Jesus Cardoso & Janith Agunbero (Occidental Grand Aruba), 
Prographics (posters), and ECA NV (radio spots).
http://www.edcheung.com/album/album09/aua2/aua.htm


So Cremer has represented OCCIDENTAL HOTELS AND NOW LETS SEE WHO MAY HAVE MADE A PHONE CALL TO HIRE AN ATTORNEY FOR KALPOE BROTHERS????? i MEAN SOMEONE HAD TO KNOW AN ATTORNEY. WOULD YOU KNOW WHO TO CALL? LIKE PAULUS AND ANITA SEEMED TO HAVE JOE TACOPINA'S PHONE NUMBER WHO JUST HAPPENED TO BE AN ATTORNEY FOR  MAFIA - GOTTI. HOW MANY PEOPLE CAN CALL UP A MAFIA ATTORNEY?
 

Jesus Cardoso is or has been:
*PRESIDENT OF ARUBA HOTEL SECURITY FOUNDATION
*ON BOARD OF DIRECTOR OF AHATA
* GENERAL MANAGER OF OCCIDENTAL GRAND ARUBA


Jesus Cardoso, President of the Aruba Hotel Security Foundation (AHSF) co-financed by the course, explains why. "There is a chance that hotels be held liable should it go wrong. It will therefore be found where a legal structure to protect the hotels.
"Another problem is lack of money. AHSF namely to establish such a separate organization than the use of lifeguards will govern. This requires more funds to be recruited, says Cardoso. He says the two drowning cases regrettable. Not long ago there were in his way even lifeguards by the popular beach resorts were watching. The reason why these are no longer there, do not Cardoso.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8277.300

POSTED BY: texasmom
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=6448.1360
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%2014%20122009/12292009AweMaintaPg16.jpg


(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/JesusCardosoAndresPichardo.jpg)


http://www.ahata.com/AboutUs/BoardOfDirectors.aspx
Jesus Cardoso-Gonzalez - General Manager Occidental Grand Aruba
on the Board of Directors for AHATA


Occidental Hotels
CORPORATE HEADQUARTERS
Strawinskylaan 1725
Amsterdam, Noord-Holland 1077 Netherlands


(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/Fun%20stuff/m_02ff2488663289106de0037b614c0977.gif)


CAN WE FIND ANY OTHER CONNECTIONS MONKEYS???


BUMP...  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: klaasend on October 20, 2010, 03:49:23 PM
http://www.ahata.com/AboutUs/BoardOfDirectors.aspx

Paul Gielen (any relation to Renee?)
1st Vice Chairman
General Manager
Renaissance Aruba Resort & Casino


(http://www.ahata.com/ThumbHandler.ashx?path=%7e%2fPortals%2f0%2fStaff%2f16%2fJesus+Cardoso.JPG&width=89&height=96)

Jesus Cardoso
General Manager
Occidental Grand Aruba


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: klaasend on October 20, 2010, 04:21:56 PM
Aitana Cardoso - 17yrs old Aruba
http://www.myspace.com/aitana09

Her twitter http://twitter.com/aitanaxo

aiтana☮'s Blurbs
About me:
livelifethefullest

I live in a paradise called aruba.

ive lived in hotels all my life

all u need is love and music
happinesss is a journey, not a destination

Read more: http://www.myspace.com/aitana09#ixzz12voft77V

Friends with Valentijn van der Sloot:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/AitanaTop10.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/Valentijnaitana3.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/Valentijnaitana2.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/Valentijnaitana.jpg)

Valentijn's myspace (private)

http://www.myspace.com/herumph








Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 20, 2010, 04:56:08 PM
http://www.ahata.com/AboutUs/BoardOfDirectors.aspx

Paul Gielen (any relation to Renee?)
1st Vice Chairman
General Manager
Renaissance Aruba Resort & Casino


(http://www.ahata.com/ThumbHandler.ashx?path=%7e%2fPortals%2f0%2fStaff%2f16%2fJesus+Cardoso.JPG&width=89&height=96)

Jesus Cardoso
General Manager
Occidental Grand Aruba



'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' for April 6
updated 9:15 a.m. PT, Fri., April. 7, 2006


RITA COSBY, HOST: What do you make of the fact that it‘s so strange that here‘s this guy (Boeti) who‘s his brother-in-law, Gerold Dompig? Isn‘t that weird to you, too, just that strange connection? And the fact—it was interesting. When we were down there, the authorities were sort of, like, Well, we can‘t really focus on him because of, basically, who he‘s connected to.

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, NATALEE‘S MOTHER:
 Well, you know, it‘s really not any stranger to me than it is that the Kalpoes are cousins of Gerold Dompig. So you know, they‘re all very connected on that island. It‘s hard to find someone who‘s not a relative or a cousin.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12205086/


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Kermit on October 20, 2010, 04:56:29 PM
KALPOES ATTORNEY'S - WHO & WHY WOULD THEY REPRESENT THOSE
DOO-DOO's??? cuz it doesn't make sense that Aruba LE turned over the Skeeters tape to Sam Redman/Scrux and Julia Renfro was involved with that.

 It doesn't make any sense that a mainly insurance litigator would represent a defamation lawsuit. Why would this law firm represent a couple of guys who were admited by their own confessions involved in the kidnapping/murder of Natalee Holloway and by Judge Smid said they were involved in "body disposal". AND where'd they get the MONEY to PAY THIS law firm????..............

Cremer represented Hotel Royal Playacar,Which is owned by Occidental Hotel Management,which owns the Occidental Grand Aruba!
 
OCCIDENTAL HOTELS MANAGEMENT
Edmund J. Siegert, Chicago, IL, (Cremer Kopon Shaughnessy & Spina) of the Illinois bar, admitted pro hac vice, argued the cause for appellant Hotel Royal Playacar, S.A. de C.V. (McDermott & McGee, attorneys;  Thomas A. Wester, Milburn, and Joshua D. Yeager (Cremer, Kopon, Shaughnessy & Spina) of the Illinois bar, admitted pro hac vice, on the brief
 
Occidental Grand Aruba
http://www.occidentalhotels.com/occidental/DestinationAruba.asp


The Americana became the Allegro Resort and now operates under the name of Occidental Grand Aruba; the Sheraton was renamed the Aruba Grand before undergoing a true metamorphosis: it is now a part of the prestigious Riu Palace.
 
http://www.historiadiaruba.aw/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=24&Itemid=39&lang=en

Allergro is where the two Security guards that DEEPAK AND SATISH IDEINTFIED as being the ones who were with Natalee



AHATA Board members voted in are businessman Eduardo de Veer, Renaissance/Meta Corp; Banker Bill Carson, Caribbean Mercantile Bank; hotelier Scott Allen, Hyatt Regency; Director Peter Steinmetz, Aruba Airport Authority; Public Relations official David Smith, Valero Oil Refinery, Lisette Malmberg, De Palm Tours and hotelier Werner Hein, Occidental Resort. The election process was assisted by Dr. Ryan Peterson, Universidad di Aruba, attorney Antonio Carlo and  Marlene Purcell, Salamander Holdings under the supervision of consultant Jaap Beaujon. The new board is seen here in the picture with members of the outgoing board and Jorge Pesquera AHATA’s President and CEO.
 
http://arubanboycott.blogspot.com/2007_08_01_archive.html



The lecture, dedicated to the memory of my father, Kong Ming Cheung, 
was extremely successful.  We had about 450 people attend, more than four times as many as the previous lecture at the Universidad di Aruba in 2006. We were supposed to speak for two hours, but it lasted more than 3 hours due to the many excellent questions from the audience.  It was a fun evening. Many thanks to Peter Cheung (graphics), 
Rosalie Klein (public relations), 
Jesus Cardoso & Janith Agunbero (Occidental Grand Aruba), 
Prographics (posters), and ECA NV (radio spots).
http://www.edcheung.com/album/album09/aua2/aua.htm


So Cremer has represented OCCIDENTAL HOTELS AND NOW LETS SEE WHO MAY HAVE MADE A PHONE CALL TO HIRE AN ATTORNEY FOR KALPOE BROTHERS????? i MEAN SOMEONE HAD TO KNOW AN ATTORNEY. WOULD YOU KNOW WHO TO CALL? LIKE PAULUS AND ANITA SEEMED TO HAVE JOE TACOPINA'S PHONE NUMBER WHO JUST HAPPENED TO BE AN ATTORNEY FOR  MAFIA - GOTTI. HOW MANY PEOPLE CAN CALL UP A MAFIA ATTORNEY?
 

Jesus Cardoso is or has been:
*PRESIDENT OF ARUBA HOTEL SECURITY FOUNDATION
*ON BOARD OF DIRECTOR OF AHATA
* GENERAL MANAGER OF OCCIDENTAL GRAND ARUBA


Jesus Cardoso, President of the Aruba Hotel Security Foundation (AHSF) co-financed by the course, explains why. "There is a chance that hotels be held liable should it go wrong. It will therefore be found where a legal structure to protect the hotels.
"Another problem is lack of money. AHSF namely to establish such a separate organization than the use of lifeguards will govern. This requires more funds to be recruited, says Cardoso. He says the two drowning cases regrettable. Not long ago there were in his way even lifeguards by the popular beach resorts were watching. The reason why these are no longer there, do not Cardoso.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8277.300

POSTED BY: texasmom
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=6448.1360
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http://www.ahata.com/AboutUs/BoardOfDirectors.aspx
Jesus Cardoso-Gonzalez - General Manager Occidental Grand Aruba
on the Board of Directors for AHATA


Occidental Hotels
CORPORATE HEADQUARTERS
Strawinskylaan 1725
Amsterdam, Noord-Holland 1077 Netherlands


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CAN WE FIND ANY OTHER CONNECTIONS MONKEYS???


BUMP...  ::MonkeyWink::

Occidental Hoteles Management, S.L. v. Media Insights a/k/a Media Insight
Claim Number: FA0812001239395

 
PARTIES
Complainant is Occidental Hoteles Management, S.L. (“Complainant”), represented by Joshua D. Yeager, of Cremer, Shaughnessy, Spina, Jansen, & Seigert LLC, Illinois, USA.  Respondent is Media Insights a/k/a Media Insight (“Respondent”), represented by James S. Robertson, of Gaebe, Mullen, Antonelli, Esco & Dimatteo, Florida, USA.
http://domains.adrforum.com/domains/decisions/1239395.htm

So now we have another connection with Occidental Hotels and Kalpoe's attorney's.

WHO IS BEHIND THE LAW SUIT?

* AHATA
* Occidental Hotel attorney = Cremer's law firm.











Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Kermit on October 20, 2010, 04:57:47 PM
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 ::MonkeyTongue::

 ::monkeywine2::

ribbit


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: klaasend on October 20, 2010, 05:00:05 PM
http://www.ahata.com/AboutUs/BoardOfDirectors.aspx

Paul Gielen (any relation to Renee?)
1st Vice Chairman
General Manager
Renaissance Aruba Resort & Casino


(http://www.ahata.com/ThumbHandler.ashx?path=%7e%2fPortals%2f0%2fStaff%2f16%2fJesus+Cardoso.JPG&width=89&height=96)

Jesus Cardoso
General Manager
Occidental Grand Aruba


http://www.cremerspina.com/news.php

Bill Cremer and Josh Yeager scheduled to give presentation to Spanish based Occidental Hotels and Resorts
Bill Cremer and Josh Yeager have been invited to give a presentation by the Spanish based hotel chain Occidental Hotels and Resorts. The presentation will take place during the annual meeting of its general managers and will include topics such as best practices in investigating claims involving US guests. The meeting will be held in the Mexican Riviera Maya at one of the hotel chain's all-inclusive resorts. Cremer Spina serves as national counsel for all Occidental Hotel's claims and suits in the US.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on October 20, 2010, 05:27:40 PM
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 ::MonkeyTongue::

 ::monkeywine2::

ribbit


It's the Muppet Show with our Very Special Guest Star,Occidental hotels

It's time to play the music
It's time to light the lights
t's time to meet the Muppets on the Muppet Show tonight.

It's time to put on makeup
It's time to dress up right
It's time to raise the curtain on the Muppet Show tonight.

Why do we always come here
I guess we'll never know
It's like a kind of torture
To have to watch the show



::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 20, 2010, 06:24:51 PM
 ::MonkeyShovel:: ::MonkeyWink::

http://mx.linkedin.com/in/apichardo

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Andres A Pichardo Rosenberg

Senior V.P. Operations Central America, Aruba at Occidental Hotles & Resorts
Cancún y alrededores, México
Comunícate con Andres A Pichardo Rosenberg
Añade a Andres A Pichardo Rosenberg a tu red
Actual
Senior Vice President of Operations Central America, Aruba at Occidental Hotels &Resorts
Anterior
General Manager at Grand Xcaret, Occidental Hotels & Resorts
Corporate Hospitality Director at Punta Cana Resort & Club
Managing Director Hospitality 5 Resorts at Hacienda Hotels & Resorts
General Manager at Puerto Plata, Dom Rep
General Manager at Victoria Hotels & Resorts, Dominican Republic
ver menos...

Educación
Cornell University
Instituto Tecnológico de Santo Domingo
Universidad Nacional Pedro Henríquez Ureña
Carol Morgan School
ver menos...

Contactos
50 contactos
Sector
Hostelería
Extracto de Andres A Pichardo Rosenberg

Energetic, creative, innovative and self driven

Especialidades de Andres A Pichardo Rosenberg:
Leadership Qualities

Experiencia de Andres A Pichardo Rosenberg

Senior Vice President of Operations Central America, Aruba
Occidental Hotels &Resorts
(De financiación privada; Más de 10.000 empleados; Sector de Hostelería)
julio de 2006 — Presente (4 años 4 meses)
Responsible for overall operations of 11 resorts.
Responsible for Supervision of expansion plan in central america & Aruba

General Manager
Grand Xcaret, Occidental Hotels & Resorts
(Sector de Hostelería)
marzo de 2002 — julio de 2006 (4 años 5 meses)
Corporate Hospitality Director
Punta Cana Resort & Club
(Sector de Hostelería)
junio de 2000 — marzo de 2002 (1 año 10 meses)
Responsible for;
Hotel Operations
Marina Operations
Golf Course & Golf Club House
Relationship with Co-Owners

Managing Director Hospitality 5 Resorts
Hacienda Hotels & Resorts
(Sector de Hostelería)
septiembre de 1997 — mayo de 2000 (2 años 9 meses)
Responsible for 5 resorts, construction company, incoming travel agency

General Manager
Puerto Plata, Dom Rep
(Sector de Hostelería)
septiembre de 1991 — agosto de 1997 (6 años )
General Manager Flamenco Beach Resort
General Manager Villas Doradas Beach Resort
General Manager Playa Dorada Beach Resort

General Manager
Victoria Hotels & Resorts, Dominican Republic
(De financiación privada; De 1.001 a 5.000 empleados; Sector de Hostelería)
septiembre de 1987 — agosto de 1991 (4 años )
Opening and Operation of 1st Hotel

Educación de Andres A Pichardo Rosenberg

Cornell University
CPD , Hospitality Center for Professional Development , 1987 — 1987

Instituto Tecnológico de Santo Domingo
Bachelor Degree , Business Administration , 1983 — 1985

Actividades y grupos:
Soccer Team, Tennis Team
Universidad Nacional Pedro Henríquez Ureña
Lic , Administracion de Empresas , 1980 — 1983

Carol Morgan School
High School , High School , 1974 — 1980

Información adicional

Intereses de Andres A Pichardo Rosenberg:
New Technology, Group Process, Creative decision making Wakeboarding, Kitesurfing, Skiing, Photobraphy, Tennis

Grupos de Andres A Pichardo Rosenberg:
Caribbean Hotel Associations
Board member Aruba Hotel Association

     HoteLIers
Honores Andres A Pichardo Rosenberg:
Hotelier of the Year 1992
Most Outstanding Alumni (CMS) 2000
Award of Merit (CMS) 2007


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Kermit on October 20, 2010, 06:50:15 PM
ARUBA HOSPITALITY AND SECURITY FOUNDATION
 
Business address   J.E. IRAUSQUIN BLVD. 87, NOORD
Legal form   FOUNDATION
Name of the   ARUBA HOSPITALITY AND SECURITY FOUNDATION
company/foundation/association:
Statutory seat   ARUBA
Date of   1 JUNE 2001
incorporation/commencement:
    
 
BOARD MEMBERS/AUTHORIZED PERSONS

VAN NES, JAN WILLEM;
Born in   NETHERLANDS ANTILLES, CURACAO on 4 NOVEMBER 1953
Nationality   DUTCH
Position   PRESIDENT AND TREASURER
Effective   14 SEPTEMBER 2009
Authority   RESTRICTED
 
PETERSON, ROLAND WILBERT (SR.);
Born in   ARUBA on 31 OCTOBER 1941
Nationality   DUTCH
Position   SECRETARY
Effective   1 JUNE 2001
Authority   RESTRICTED
 
SMITH, ROBERT PAUL;
Born in   U.S.A., PENNSYLVANIA on 14 FEBRUARY 1966
Nationality   AMERICAN
Position   BOARD-MEMBER
Effective   14 SEPTEMBER 2009
Authority   RESTRICTED
 
BERNADINA, ROLANDO;
Born in   ARUBA on 27 NOVEMBER 1950
Nationality   DUTCH
Position   BOARD-MEMBER
Effective   10 FEBRUARY 2003
Authority   RESTRICTED
 
NAJJAR, JOE;
Born in   LIBANON, BEIRUT on 18 JANUARY 1957
Nationality   AMERICAN
Position   BOARD-MEMBER
Effective   14 SEPTEMBER 2009
Authority   RESTRICTED
 
NANDWANI, RAVEE RAMCHAND BOOLCHAND;
Born in   NETHERLANDS ANTILLES, CURACAO on 12 FEBRUARY 1976
Nationality   DUTCH
Position   BOARD-MEMBER
Effective   14 SEPTEMBER 2009
Authority   RESTRICTED
 
CARDOSO GONZALEZ, JESUS;
Born in   SPAIN, ZAMORA on 6 SEPTEMBER 1967
Nationality   SPANISH
Position   BOARD-MEMBER
Effective   14 SEPTEMBER 2009
Authority   RESTRICTED
 
GIELEN, PAUL LOUIS JOOST;
Born in   THE NETHERLANDS, HENGELO on 30 JANUARY 1970
Nationality   DUTCH
Position   BOARD-MEMBER
Effective   14 SEPTEMBER 2009
Authority   RESTRICTED
 
OBJECTIVE(S) OF THE FOUNDATION

DE ORGANISATIE, SUPERVISIE EN UITVOERING VAN DE VEILIGHEID- EN BEVEILIGINGSBEHOEFTEN VAN DE HOTEL-HANDEL EN TOERISTENSECTOR EN HET PUBLIEK IN HET ALGEMEEN.
 http://www.arubachamber.com/registry/registry_result.afp?KeyValue=28308



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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nwbJXUKHsY


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Sharon/Tx on October 20, 2010, 07:13:49 PM
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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 20, 2010, 07:22:21 PM
KALPOES ATTORNEY'S - WHO & WHY WOULD THEY REPRESENT THOSE
DOO-DOO's??? cuz it doesn't make sense that Aruba LE turned over the Skeeters tape to Sam Redman/Scrux and Julia Renfro was involved with that.

 It doesn't make any sense that a mainly insurance litigator would represent a defamation lawsuit. Why would this law firm represent a couple of guys who were admited by their own confessions involved in the kidnapping/murder of Natalee Holloway and by Judge Smid said they were involved in "body disposal". AND where'd they get the MONEY to PAY THIS law firm????..............

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Ribbit!!]

From the getgo I have contended that the Kalpoes' attorneys would not have filed this huge lawsuit UNLESS assurance has been provided that the Dr. Phil tape was deceptively manipulated.  Think about it.  Common sense implies that it would only require a comparison of the disputed segment and Jamie Skeeters' hard drive to reveal the truth?

Could it be that assurance from the NFI was given to the ATA/AHATA that a manipulation of the Dr. Phil did occur and ... full advantage was taken?  In other words ... the ATA/AHATA are the financial backers?

According to John Q. Kelly ... early on the court was made aware that the Kalpoes' attorneys had no intentions of releasing case documents.  Therefore ... it appears that the expectation was that the disputed segment of the Dr. Phil tape would stand alone if necessary.  In other words ... an analysis of the  disputed segment would require no case documents.

Could it be that ... not anticipating a legal challenge ... for ratings ... the Dr. Phil tape was manipulated to imply that Deepak stated that a sexual assault against Natalee occured?  However ... now that a legal challenge has happened the McGraw attorneys are attempting to prove that no defamaton occurred because of the manipulation and .. therefore case documents are required which would backup the defence.

Somehow I believe IF a deceptive manipulation of Deepak's words did occur ... words which were heard by all of Dr. Phil's viewing audience ... there would be legal grounds for a lawsuit whether defamation is proved or not.

There is no doubt in my mind that a sexual assault occurred against the person of Natalee Holloway but ... I am skeptical whether Deepak revealed this in the Skeeters interview.  Thank about it.  Almost four years later and ... despite the refusal of the Kalpoes' attorney to comply with court requests time and time again ... the Kalpoes' defamation case has not been thrown out.  Why?

++++

NFI Investigation

'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' for December 1
updated 7:37 a.m. PT, Fri., Dec. 2, 2005


ARLENE ELLIS SCHIPPER, ARUBAN STRATEGIC COMM. TASK FORCE: Well, it's not what I think, it is what the Dutch forensic institute thinks and what we have also requested the FBI to confirm, which confirmation we haven't received yet. However, the NFI had four investigators separately look at these tapes, and they say that the Dr. Phil show tapes were edited for content in the following order. Just before the word “she,” there was a cut. And just after the word “did,” there was a cut. And then they compared it to the CD-ROM that Mr. Skeeters sent the officials, and you have seen that piece, and it says, “No, she didn't.” And he shakes his head while doing—while saying that.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10295536/


No Dismissal?

Judge allows lawsuit to proceed against Dr. Phil
The Associated Press
Date: Wednesday Feb. 6, 2008 10:12 AM ET


LOS ANGELES — A California judge refused to dismiss a defamation suit Tuesday against CBS and television psychologist "Dr. Phil" McGraw brought by two brothers who were questioned in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.

William Cremer, lawyer for Surinamese brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe, praised the decision by Superior Court Judge Edward Ferns. "I'm going to take Dr. Phil down," he said outside the courtroom. ...

In their dismissal motion, lawyers for CBS Television and McGraw maintained lawyers for the Kalpoes did not meet deadlines to produce all documents they have demanded concerning the criminal case investigation against the brothers in Aruba.

But the judge gave the Kalpoes' lawyers another five days to satisfy the document deadline. ....
 
The Kalpoes, who have maintained they had nothing to do with Holloway's disappearance, sued in December 2006, claiming the "Dr. Phil" talk show altered portions of a taped conversation between Deepak Kalpoe and a private investigator to "create false, incriminating, and defamatory statements that the plaintiffs engaged in criminal activity against Natalee Holloway."

The brothers also contend the TV show implied they helped kill Holloway and disposed of her body. Their suit claims defamation, invasion of privacy, emotional distress, fraud, deceit and civil conspiracy.

http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/TopStories/20080206/dr_phil_080206/


A Signed Declaration

Holloway Case: New Kalpoe Documents
Friday, September 14, 2007


JOHN KELLY, FAMILY'S ATTORNEY: I believe David Koch (ph), one of the attorneys for the Kalpoes actually signed a declaration at the court indicating that even if the court ordered the documents be turned over, they were not going to turn them over. ....

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,296798,00.html



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 20, 2010, 07:29:59 PM
The Kalpoe vs McGraw complaint was filed in Dec. 2006.  The Cardoso's didn't come to Aruba until mid to late 2007.  IIRC from prior research they came to Aruba from Mexico.

http://www.arubatoday.com

11/21/2007

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The VIPs were met at the resort by the recently arrived General Manager Jesus Cardoso, and by
Rooms Division Manager Pedro Vargas and Director of Sales Mylene Marquez.

http://news.visitaruba.com/news/general-manager-eugene-miguel-hosts-a-weekly-cocktail-party

September 2007  Eugene Miguel GM Occidental Grand

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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Kermit on October 20, 2010, 08:21:14 PM

From the getgo I have contended that the Kalpoes' attorneys would not have filed this huge lawsuit UNLESS assurance has been provided that the Dr. Phil tape was deceptively manipulated.  Think about it.  Common sense implies that it would only require a comparison of the disputed segment and Jamie Skeeters' hard drive to reveal the truth?

Could it be that assurance from the NFI was given to the ATA/AHATA that a manipulation of the Dr. Phil did occur and ... full advantage was taken?  In other words ... the ATA/AHATA are the financial backers?

According to John Q. Kelly ... early on the court was made aware that the Kalpoes' attorneys had no intentions of releasing case documents.  Therefore ... it appears that the expectation was that the disputed segment of the Dr. Phil tape would stand alone if necessary.  In other words ... an analysis of the  disputed segment would require no case documents.

Could it be that ... not anticipating a legal challenge ... for ratings ... the Dr. Phil tape was manipulated to imply that Deepak stated that a sexual assault against Natalee occured?  However ... now that a legal challenge has happened the McGraw attorneys are attempting to prove that no defamaton occurred because of the manipulation and .. therefore case documents are required which would backup the defence.

Somehow I believe IF a deceptive manipulation of Deepak's words did occur ... words which were heard by all of Dr. Phil's viewing audience ... there would be legal grounds for a lawsuit whether defamation is proved or not.

There is no doubt in my mind that a sexual assault occurred against the person of Natalee Holloway but ... I am skeptical whether Deepak revealed this in the Skeeters interview.  Thank about it.  Almost four years later and ... despite the refusal of the Kalpoes' attorney to comply with court requests time and time again ... the Kalpoes' defamation case has not been thrown out.  Why?

++++

OR

to keep the Kalpoes mouths shut. pay off money




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Kermit on October 20, 2010, 08:29:55 PM
A.M. Digital
12/05/2005
A New Board for AHATA
Werner Hein, Occidental Resort


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 20, 2010, 08:34:55 PM
A.M. Digital
12/05/2005
A New Board for AHATA
Werner Hein, Occidental Resort

 ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyShovel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 20, 2010, 08:47:40 PM
http://meetingsnet.com/corporatemeetingsincentives/mag/meetings_motivation_show_buzz/

2005 Motivation Show: The Buzz from the Show Floor
Nov 1, 2005 12:00 PM, Compiled by Betsy Bair, Regina Baraban, and Barbara Scofidio

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FOR GROUPS ONLY:
NEW ARUBA MARKETING ENTITY

The Aruba Hotel and Tourism Association has announced the launch of MEET ARUBA, its new marketing division aimed at increasing meeting and incentive business. “Our goal is to be recognized as the best group-marketing entity in the Caribbean. This can only be accomplished by delivering a wide range of customized services to planners,” said Jorge Pesquera, president and CEO of AHATA. Heading up the new division is Scott Wiggins, who will maintain his responsibilities as senior director of sales and marketing for AHATA, but add the role of executive director of MEET ARUBA. Mayline Menendez, who most recently was with the Ritz-Carlton in Coconut Grove, Fla., will focus on corporate and incentive markets throughout the South. She is based in Miami. www.ahata.com/ahata/do/home.html

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OCCIDENTAL GRAND, ARUBA — Re-opening in December after a $25 million investment in the former Allegro Aruba, the new 391-room Occidental Grand will raise the bar for luxury on this popular island. A spectacular entryway with views of Palm Beach will set the mood for arriving visitors; inside are seven restaurants, a casino, and meeting space, including a 9,068-square-foot grand ballroom. The Royal Club level, with amenities such as champagne and strawberries for breakfast and concierge service, promises to be “the best-quality all-inclusive in Aruba — perhaps in the entire Caribbean,” said Werner Hein, general manager.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 20, 2010, 08:52:56 PM
http://rockresorts.com/info/pressreleases/pressreleases.092320091.release.asp

Werner Hein Selected as the General Manager of  Balcones del Atlántico, A RockResort Opening 2010 in the Dominican Republic

BROOMFIELD, Colo.- Sept. 23, 2009 – RockResorts has announced that Werner Hein has been chosen as the general manager of Balcones del Atlántico, A RockResort opening 2010.  He will start his new position effective immediately in the Dominican Republic.

Hein comes to RockResorts with an impressive background in luxury hospitality, most recently with Wyndham Hotel and Resorts as the general manager for Golden Bear Lodge/Green Village at Cap Cana, a new luxury resort in the Dominican Republic and previously with Intercontinental, Sheraton and Americana.  In addition, he brings to his new role a wealth of experience from warm weather destinations having worked at resorts in Jamaica, Aruba, Cuba, Mexico and the Dominican Republic.  His career began more than 28 years ago with Jack Tar Villages in Miami, Fla. and since then he has gone onto oversee resorts around the globe through pre-opening phases, daily operations and remodels.

“We are excited to welcome Werner to his new position with the newest member of the RockResorts collection of casually elegant resort hotels,” said Paul Toner, senior vice president and chief operating officer of RockResorts.  “Given Werner’s extensive experience in delivering extraordinary service, we are confident that Balcones del Atlántico will open in 2010 in the RockResorts’ tradition of honoring our iconic destinations and creating unforgettable moments for our guests.”

Balcones del Atlántico, A RockResort, is a beachfront resort in the village of Las Terrenas on the Samaná Peninsula of the Dominican Republic that will open in 2010 with 86 multi-room villas.  Ideally situated along the sparkling waters of the white sand beaches, both the RockResorts Spa with four private treatment cabanas and fine dining restaurant will allow guests to enjoy some of the most breathtaking views.  The property will feature an elegant and comfortable design with a strong emphasis on the outdoor spaces within each multi-room villa.

About RockResorts
RockResorts, a wholly owned subsidiary of Vail Resorts, owns and operates luxury resort hotels that offer casually elegant accommodations, lavish RockResorts Spas, renowned golf courses, award-winning dining and a variety of exciting outdoor adventures. The RockResorts collection includes The Arrabelle at Vail Square and The Lodge at Vail in Vail, Colo.; Hotel Jerome in Aspen, Colo.; The Osprey at Beaver Creek and The Pines Lodge in Beaver Creek, Colo.; La Posada de Santa Fe Resort & Spa in Santa Fe, N.M.; Snake River Lodge & Spa in Jackson Hole, Wyo.; and The Landings St. Lucia, Rodney Bay, St. Lucia.  Future RockResorts include: Tempo Miami in Miami, Fla. (scheduled to open in 2010); Balcones Del Atlántico, Dominican Republic (scheduled to open in 2010); One Ski Hill Place in Breckenridge, Colo. (scheduled to open in 2010); The Mansfield Inn at Stowe in Stowe, Vt. (scheduled to open in winter 2011/2012); Rum Cay Resort Marina, The Bahamas (scheduled to open in 2012); and the Third Turtle Club & Spa, Turks and Caicos (scheduled to open in 2013).


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 20, 2010, 08:56:40 PM
Kermit

IF the Dr. Phil tape was deceptively manipulated ... IF the judge allows the Dr. Phil tape to stand alone without backup case documents ... I believe there will be a negotiated settlement.

Think about it.  The trial date has been set yet there is no backing down by the Kalpoes' attorneys.  From the getgo ... there appeared to be confidence in a knowledge that Deepak's words were deceptively manipulated in the disputed segment of the Dr. Phil recording.

IF the Kalpoes/attorneys/ATA-AHATA walk away with a negotiated settlement ... Phil McGraw is going to go down.  He will be exposed as a fraud who will do anything for ratings.  IF the Kalpoes/attorneys/ATA-AHATA walk away with a negotiated settlement ... it will be revealed that Phil McGraw and his "people" did not anticipate an Aruban challenge when that tape was deceptively manipulated.

I hope with all my heart that the way I sincerely perceive this entire top is all wrong. 

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 20, 2010, 08:58:07 PM
AHATA OBJECTIVES
http://getagripmonkey.blogspot.com/2005_11_27_archive.html

12.01.2005
Alfonso Riverol is the new AHATA president, named during General Assembly

Organization preparing for difficult period ahead due to the effects of the Natalee Holloway case
Bon Dia Aruba
12/01/2005


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Jorge Pesquera also spoke of the objectives of AHATA for 2006, among others:

• Increase member services
• Solidify the program ‘Meet Aruba’ which sells Aruba in the world of incentives, which according to Pesquera benefits everyone (AHATA attracted Pesquera for exactly this reason, given his experience and success in Puerto Rico in this area). According to the AHATA CEO, the market of Meetings and Conventions brings thousands upon thousands of executives to Aruba.
• Continue with the organization of courses and educational seminars to increase awareness
And greatly contribute to help straighten out Aruba’s image, which was unjustly harmed, due to the case of the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. Pesquera believes that it is time to continue heavily investing but more importantly intelligently to recuperate the image of Aruba as a safe destination. As such, AHATA will work on crisis management.

At the end of the presentations, the new management of AHATA was introduced, who was said to be presided by Alfonso Riverol. The first vice president is Ewald Biemans of Bucuti Beach Resort; the second vice president are Warrant Stanley of Atlantis Submarines; the new treasurer is Rick Zeolla of Marriottl the secretary is Alex Nieuwmeyer of Divi Resorts, and directors are Eduardo de Veer of Meta Corp; Bill Carson of CMB; Scott Allen of Hyatt; Peter Steinmetz of AAA N.V.; Werner Hein of Occidental Allegro, and Lisette Malmberg of De Palm Tours, as the only woman in AHATA management.

Posted by Getagrip at 12/01/2005 11:34:00 PM 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Kermit on October 20, 2010, 09:17:39 PM
Kermit

IF the Dr. Phil tape was deceptively manipulated ... IF the judge allows the Dr. Phil tape to stand alone without backup case documents ... I believe there will be a negotiated settlement.

Think about it.  The trial date has been set yet there is no backing down by the Kalpoes' attorneys.  From the getgo ... there appeared to be confidence in a knowledge that Deepak's words were deceptively manipulated in the disputed segment of the Dr. Phil recording.

IF the Kalpoes/attorneys/ATA-AHATA walk away with a negotiated settlement ... Phil McGraw is going to go down.  He will be exposed as a fraud who will do anything for ratings.  IF the Kalpoes/attorneys/ATA-AHATA walk away with a negotiated settlement ... it will be revealed that Phil McGraw and his "people" did not anticipate an Aruban challenge when that tape was deceptively manipulated.

I hope with all my heart that the way I sincerely perceive this entire top is all wrong. 

Janet




http://www.eonline.com/uberblog/b53983_Ex-Holloway_Suspects_Sue_Dr_Phil.html
The show's producer, Paramount Studios, slammed the lawsuit. "We stand by the integrity of the Dr. Phil show, our editing process and the accuracy of the program that we aired. We will vigorously defend against these baseless claims."
<snip>
In a parting shot in its statement, Paramount says, "We also intend to discover who or what has motivated this lawsuit from the Kalpoe brothers, two of the primary suspects in Natalee’s disappearance and two of the last people seen driving away with her in their car."

Read more: http://www.eonline.com/uberblog/b53983_Ex-Holloway_Suspects_Sue_Dr_Phil.html#ixzz12ws1Zr50
Read more: http://www.eonline.com/uberblog/b53983_Ex-Holloway_Suspects_Sue_Dr_Phil.html#ixzz12wra7fma



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Kermit on October 20, 2010, 09:20:12 PM
AHATA OBJECTIVES
http://getagripmonkey.blogspot.com/2005_11_27_archive.html

12.01.2005
Alfonso Riverol is the new AHATA president, named during General Assembly

Organization preparing for difficult period ahead due to the effects of the Natalee Holloway case
Bon Dia Aruba
12/01/2005


snipped


Jorge Pesquera also spoke of the objectives of AHATA for 2006, among others:

• Increase member services
• Solidify the program ‘Meet Aruba’ which sells Aruba in the world of incentives, which according to Pesquera benefits everyone (AHATA attracted Pesquera for exactly this reason, given his experience and success in Puerto Rico in this area). According to the AHATA CEO, the market of Meetings and Conventions brings thousands upon thousands of executives to Aruba.
• Continue with the organization of courses and educational seminars to increase awareness
And greatly contribute to help straighten out Aruba’s image, which was unjustly harmed, due to the case of the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. Pesquera believes that it is time to continue heavily investing but more importantly intelligently to recuperate the image of Aruba as a safe destination. As such, AHATA will work on crisis management.

At the end of the presentations, the new management of AHATA was introduced, who was said to be presided by Alfonso Riverol. The first vice president is Ewald Biemans of Bucuti Beach Resort; the second vice president are Warrant Stanley of Atlantis Submarines; the new treasurer is Rick Zeolla of Marriottl the secretary is Alex Nieuwmeyer of Divi Resorts, and directors are Eduardo de Veer of Meta Corp; Bill Carson of CMB; Scott Allen of Hyatt; Peter Steinmetz of AAA N.V.; Werner Hein of Occidental Allegro, and Lisette Malmberg of De Palm Tours, as the only woman in AHATA management.

Posted by Getagrip at 12/01/2005 11:34:00 PM 



May 8, 2006 ... The 391-room Occidental Grand Aruba reopened following a $42 million renovation of the former Allegro-branded resort
http://business.highbeam.com/articles/5914/travel-weekly/may-2006


texasmom was  Heim General Manager from 2005 thru the re-opening in 2006?





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on October 20, 2010, 09:20:31 PM
PARAMOUNT

::MonkeyGavel::


In a parting shot in its statement, Paramount says, "We also intend to discover who or what has motivated this lawsuit from the Kalpoe brothers, two of the primary suspects in Natalee’s disappearance and two of the last people seen driving away with her in their car."



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 20, 2010, 09:28:27 PM
Thanks Kermit.

The outcome will be what the outcome will be.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 20, 2010, 09:30:54 PM
AHATA OBJECTIVES
http://getagripmonkey.blogspot.com/2005_11_27_archive.html

12.01.2005
Alfonso Riverol is the new AHATA president, named during General Assembly

Organization preparing for difficult period ahead due to the effects of the Natalee Holloway case
Bon Dia Aruba
12/01/2005


snipped


Jorge Pesquera also spoke of the objectives of AHATA for 2006, among others:

• Increase member services
• Solidify the program ‘Meet Aruba’ which sells Aruba in the world of incentives, which according to Pesquera benefits everyone (AHATA attracted Pesquera for exactly this reason, given his experience and success in Puerto Rico in this area). According to the AHATA CEO, the market of Meetings and Conventions brings thousands upon thousands of executives to Aruba.
• Continue with the organization of courses and educational seminars to increase awareness
And greatly contribute to help straighten out Aruba’s image, which was unjustly harmed, due to the case of the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. Pesquera believes that it is time to continue heavily investing but more importantly intelligently to recuperate the image of Aruba as a safe destination. As such, AHATA will work on crisis management.

At the end of the presentations, the new management of AHATA was introduced, who was said to be presided by Alfonso Riverol. The first vice president is Ewald Biemans of Bucuti Beach Resort; the second vice president are Warrant Stanley of Atlantis Submarines; the new treasurer is Rick Zeolla of Marriottl the secretary is Alex Nieuwmeyer of Divi Resorts, and directors are Eduardo de Veer of Meta Corp; Bill Carson of CMB; Scott Allen of Hyatt; Peter Steinmetz of AAA N.V.; Werner Hein of Occidental Allegro, and Lisette Malmberg of De Palm Tours, as the only woman in AHATA management.

Posted by Getagrip at 12/01/2005 11:34:00 PM 



May 8, 2006 ... The 391-room Occidental Grand Aruba reopened following a $42 million renovation of the former Allegro-branded resort
http://business.highbeam.com/articles/5914/travel-weekly/may-2006


texasmom was  Heim General Manager from 2005 thru the re-opening in 2006?



Second paragraph

I think so, but obviously the plans must have changed on the renovations...more money and if it didn't actually open until 2006 more time too...I'll see what else I can find.

http://meetingsnet.com/corporatemeetingsincentives/mag/meetings_motivation_show_buzz/

2005 Motivation Show: The Buzz from the Show Floor
Nov 1, 2005 12:00 PM, Compiled by Betsy Bair, Regina Baraban, and Barbara Scofidio

snipped

FOR GROUPS ONLY:
NEW ARUBA MARKETING ENTITY

The Aruba Hotel and Tourism Association has announced the launch of MEET ARUBA, its new marketing division aimed at increasing meeting and incentive business. “Our goal is to be recognized as the best group-marketing entity in the Caribbean. This can only be accomplished by delivering a wide range of customized services to planners,” said Jorge Pesquera, president and CEO of AHATA. Heading up the new division is Scott Wiggins, who will maintain his responsibilities as senior director of sales and marketing for AHATA, but add the role of executive director of MEET ARUBA. Mayline Menendez, who most recently was with the Ritz-Carlton in Coconut Grove, Fla., will focus on corporate and incentive markets throughout the South. She is based in Miami. www.ahata.com/ahata/do/home.html

snipped

OCCIDENTAL GRAND, ARUBA — Re-opening in December after a $25 million investment in the former Allegro Aruba, the new 391-room Occidental Grand will raise the bar for luxury on this popular island. A spectacular entryway with views of Palm Beach will set the mood for arriving visitors; inside are seven restaurants, a casino, and meeting space, including a 9,068-square-foot grand ballroom. The Royal Club level, with amenities such as champagne and strawberries for breakfast and concierge service, promises to be “the best-quality all-inclusive in Aruba — perhaps in the entire Caribbean,” said Werner Hein, general manager.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Kermit on October 20, 2010, 09:33:35 PM
Thanks Kermit.

The outcome will be what the outcome will be.

Janet

I wouldn't try to second guess attorney's.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Kermit on October 20, 2010, 09:35:10 PM


He was there in 2004 when it was called the Allergro.
2005 - he was there
2006 - the name changed and the renovation completed.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: klaasend on October 20, 2010, 09:44:15 PM
May have already been posted:

http://getagripmonkey.blogspot.com/2005_12_04_archive.html

The Aruba Hotel & Tourism Association General Assembly Elects
A New Board for AHATA
A.M. Digital
12/05/2005

The Aruba Hotel & Tourism Association voted in a new board at its general assembly which took place at the Radisson Aruba Resort & Casino.

The owner of the Wyndham Aruba Resort Spa & Casino, businessman Alfonso Riveroll, became the new Chairman of the Board for the Association.

Fellow hotelier Ewald Biemans, Bucuti Beach Resort & Tara Suites, became 1st Vice Chair while Warren Stanley, Atlantis Adventure assumed the role of 2nd Vice Chair. Marriott General Manager Rick Zeolla will serve as Treasurer of the Association and Alex Nieuwmeyer, Divi & Tamarijn Beach Resort accepted responsibilities as the board’s Secretary.

Board members voted in are businessman Eduardo de Veer, Renaissance/Meta Corp; Banker Bill Carson, Caribbean Mercantile Bank; hotelier Scott Allen, Hyatt Regency; Director Peter Steinmetz, Aruba Airport Authority; Public Relations official David Smith, Valero Oil Refinery, Lisette Malmberg, De Palm Tours and hotelier Werner Hein, Occidental Resort.

The election process was assisted by Dr. Ryan Peterson, Universidad di Aruba, attorney Antonio Carlo and Marlene Purcell, Salamander Holdings under the supervision of consultant Jaap Beaujon.

The new board is seen here in the picture with members of the outgoing board and Jorge Pesquera AHATA’s President and CEO.


(http://news.visitaruba.com/news/readBlob.do?id=2259)

http://news.visitaruba.com/news/a-new-board-for-ahata


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on October 20, 2010, 09:47:58 PM
Klaas...Monkeys...& Frogs Rock!


::MonkeyShovel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: wreck on October 20, 2010, 10:03:28 PM
Kermit

IF the Dr. Phil tape was deceptively manipulated ... IF the judge allows the Dr. Phil tape to stand alone without backup case documents ... I believe there will be a negotiated settlement.

Think about it.  The trial date has been set yet there is no backing down by the Kalpoes' attorneys.  From the getgo ... there appeared to be confidence in a knowledge that Deepak's words were deceptively manipulated in the disputed segment of the Dr. Phil recording.

IF the Kalpoes/attorneys/ATA-AHATA walk away with a negotiated settlement ... Phil McGraw is going to go down.  He will be exposed as a fraud who will do anything for ratings.  IF the Kalpoes/attorneys/ATA-AHATA walk away with a negotiated settlement ... it will be revealed that Phil McGraw and his "people" did not anticipate an Aruban challenge when that tape was deceptively manipulated.

I hope with all my heart that the way I sincerely perceive this entire top is all wrong. 

Janet

I am not worried one bit -- I don't think there will be a trial, and I don't think there will be any negotiated settlement. The Kalpoes are out of delays.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 20, 2010, 10:12:08 PM
http://www.aruba.com/news/general-news/aruba-announces-over-350m-in-tourism-investments-including-airport-cruise-hotel-developments/

 February 27th, 2007

snipped

Hotels and Resorts – Aruba’s hotels and resorts are experiencing hundreds of millions in major investments.
- Occidental Grand Aruba – Finalized $24 million in investments and reopened in May 2006 as the island’s first luxury all-inclusive product.

http://www.hotelinteractive.com/article.aspx?articleID=8012

Silver Entertainment LLC Acquires Veneto Hotel and Casino in Panama City
Friday, June 22, 2007

SE also announces the appointments of Veneto senior executives Richard S. Rabin, General Manager of Veneto Hotel/Casino; Victor M. Pena, Assistant General Manager operations at large, General Manager Casino; and Werner Hein, General Manager, Hotel.

I'm still looking....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 20, 2010, 10:40:20 PM
http://www.abcinternacional.net/20/entrevistas/i19_internacionalart11.html

(http://www.abcinternacional.net/20/img4/economia2.jpg)

Werner Hein


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Kermit on October 20, 2010, 10:54:38 PM
http://www.abcinternacional.net/20/entrevistas/i19_internacionalart11.html

(http://www.abcinternacional.net/20/img4/economia2.jpg)

Werner Hein

He looks like somebody's grandpa.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Kermit on October 20, 2010, 10:55:51 PM

I am not worried one bit -- I don't think there will be a trial, and I don't think there will be any negotiated settlement. The Kalpoes are out of delays.

I"m waiting for the trial and testimony from the id-gets.
 ::MonkeyJnBox::




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 20, 2010, 11:03:00 PM
Thanks Kermit.

The outcome will be what the outcome will be.

Janet

I wouldn't try to second guess attorney's.


I agree.  According to the judge ... ten attorneys got it wrong in regards to the "new" evidence that justified the November 7, 2007 arrests of Joran, Deepak and Satish.

Good Night All.

Janet
8:00 PM PT

++++++++


Ten Lawyers

On the Record with Greta - November 27, 2007


HANS MOS, ARUBA'S CHIEF PROSECUTOR: And this decision to re-arrest these three suspects was a decision taken by 10 lawyers, by 10 lawyers sitting around a table (INAUDIBLE) whole afternoon, being presented the new material.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,313168,00.html


The Judge

ORANJESTAD, Aruba
Attorney disputes chat log as evidence
Published December 22, 2007


A suspect in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway never mentioned her death in an online chat, his lawyer said Friday, contradicting Aruban prosecutors who called the comment key new evidence in the case.

The chat log fell far short of justifying the arrest of Deepak Kalpoe, one of three men seen with the American teen the night of her disappearance, said attorney Ronald Wix. A court in the Dutch Caribbean island agreed and quickly released Kalpoe, along with brother Satish and a third suspect, Joran van der Sloot.

http://www.sptimes.com/2007/12/22/Worldandnation/Halts_plan_to_kill_hu.shtml



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on October 20, 2010, 11:05:42 PM
ARUBA HOSPITALITY AND SECURITY FOUNDATION
 
Business address   J.E. IRAUSQUIN BLVD. 87, NOORD
Legal form   FOUNDATION
Name of the   ARUBA HOSPITALITY AND SECURITY FOUNDATION
company/foundation/association:
Statutory seat   ARUBA
Date of   1 JUNE 2001
incorporation/commencement:
    
 
BOARD MEMBERS/AUTHORIZED PERSONS

VAN NES, JAN WILLEM;
Born in   NETHERLANDS ANTILLES, CURACAO on 4 NOVEMBER 1953
Nationality   DUTCH
Position   PRESIDENT AND TREASURER
Effective   14 SEPTEMBER 2009
Authority   RESTRICTED
 
PETERSON, ROLAND WILBERT (SR.);
Born in   ARUBA on 31 OCTOBER 1941
Nationality   DUTCH
Position   SECRETARY
Effective   1 JUNE 2001
Authority   RESTRICTED
 
SMITH, ROBERT PAUL;
Born in   U.S.A., PENNSYLVANIA on 14 FEBRUARY 1966
Nationality   AMERICAN
Position   BOARD-MEMBER
Effective   14 SEPTEMBER 2009
Authority   RESTRICTED
 
BERNADINA, ROLANDO;
Born in   ARUBA on 27 NOVEMBER 1950
Nationality   DUTCH
Position   BOARD-MEMBER
Effective   10 FEBRUARY 2003
Authority   RESTRICTED


NAJJAR, JOE;
Born in   LIBANON, BEIRUT on 18 JANUARY 1957
Nationality   AMERICAN
Position   BOARD-MEMBER
Effective   14 SEPTEMBER 2009
Authority   RESTRICTED
 
NANDWANI, RAVEE RAMCHAND BOOLCHAND;
Born in   NETHERLANDS ANTILLES, CURACAO on 12 FEBRUARY 1976
Nationality   DUTCH
Position   BOARD-MEMBER
Effective   14 SEPTEMBER 2009
Authority   RESTRICTED
 
CARDOSO GONZALEZ, JESUS;
Born in   SPAIN, ZAMORA on 6 SEPTEMBER 1967
Nationality   SPANISH
Position   BOARD-MEMBER
Effective   14 SEPTEMBER 2009
Authority   RESTRICTED
 
GIELEN, PAUL LOUIS JOOST;
Born in   THE NETHERLANDS, HENGELO on 30 JANUARY 1970
Nationality   DUTCH
Position   BOARD-MEMBER
Effective   14 SEPTEMBER 2009
Authority   RESTRICTED
 
OBJECTIVE(S) OF THE FOUNDATION

DE ORGANISATIE, SUPERVISIE EN UITVOERING VAN DE VEILIGHEID- EN BEVEILIGINGSBEHOEFTEN VAN DE HOTEL-HANDEL EN TOERISTENSECTOR EN HET PUBLIEK IN HET ALGEMEEN.
 http://www.arubachamber.com/registry/registry_result.afp?KeyValue=28308



(http://img818.imageshack.us/img818/4232/jesuscardosogonzalezaru.jpg)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nwbJXUKHsY

Is Rolando Bernadino = Ronny Bernadino of ALE, or a relative?  I am just reading these posts and haven't done any research.

Fixed typo.   


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 20, 2010, 11:08:28 PM

I am not worried one bit -- I don't think there will be a trial, and I don't think there will be any negotiated settlement. The Kalpoes are out of delays.

I"m waiting for the trial and testimony from the id-gets.
 ::MonkeyJnBox::


Me too!   ::MonkeyGavel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: wreck on October 20, 2010, 11:17:05 PM

I am not worried one bit -- I don't think there will be a trial, and I don't think there will be any negotiated settlement. The Kalpoes are out of delays.

I"m waiting for the trial and testimony from the id-gets.
 ::MonkeyJnBox::

 ::MonkeyCool:: I didn't say that I wouldn't ENJOY a trial -- I just don't think it will ever happen!!




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: klaasend on October 20, 2010, 11:32:07 PM
https://www.lasuperiorcourt.org/OnlineServices/CivilImages/index.asp

10/18/2010 Order
Filed by Attorney for Defendant/Respondent

10/18/2010 Stipulation (OF THE PARTIES DE-DESIGNATING CERTAIN DOCS., ETC. )
Filed by Attorney for Defendant/Respondent

10/18/2010 Ex-Parte Application (to file memo of p&a in excess of 20 pages but not to exceed 30 pages )
Filed by Attorney for Defendant/Respondent

Not sure what it means exactly but ruled in favor of the Defendants  ::MonkeyCool::

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/K2DrPhilMinutes101810.jpg)



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 20, 2010, 11:36:34 PM
http://www.focuspublicationsint.com/New_Site/Visitor13-20/tourist_visitor.html

VOL. 13 #20 -- Sept. 21 - Oct. 4, 2007

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Aruba%20Misc/WernerHein4Panama.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: wreck on October 20, 2010, 11:46:49 PM
https://www.lasuperiorcourt.org/OnlineServices/CivilImages/index.asp

10/18/2010 Order
Filed by Attorney for Defendant/Respondent

10/18/2010 Stipulation (OF THE PARTIES DE-DESIGNATING CERTAIN DOCS., ETC. )
Filed by Attorney for Defendant/Respondent

10/18/2010 Ex-Parte Application (to file memo of p&a in excess of 20 pages but not to exceed 30 pages )
Filed by Attorney for Defendant/Respondent

Not sure what it means exactly but ruled in favor of the Defendants  ::MonkeyCool::

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/K2DrPhilMinutes101810.jpg)


Again, I'm no lawyer -- but, "ex parte" means a motion is asked for without input from the other party. It APPEARS to me that Dr. Phil's atty's are indeed asking for a "Summary Judgement"!!!  ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: wreck on October 20, 2010, 11:48:59 PM
side note.......... could some talented "photoshop monkey" make my new Avi's shirt "orange" instead of puke red???  ::CowboySmiley::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: klaasend on October 20, 2010, 11:52:28 PM
side note.......... could some talented "photoshop monkey" make my new Avi's shirt "orange" instead of puke red???  ::CowboySmiley::

This orange enough?  ::MonkeyHaHa::

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/WreckOrange.jpg)

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/WreckOrange.jpg


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 20, 2010, 11:55:27 PM
Not the guy we've been looking at, but maybe a son or other relative?

http://www.attorneyhelp.org/il_chicago_lawyers_25.html

Hein, Werner J - Mayer Brown Rowe & Maw     (312) 782-0600     
71 S Wacker Dr # 1, Chicago, IL

http://www.aicgs.org/documents/advisor/april30report.pdf

Werner Hein
Partner
Mayer, Brown, Rowe & Maw LLP

http://www.mayerbrown.com/lawyers/profile.asp?hubbardid=H350409151

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Aruba%20Misc/WernerJHein_Attorney-1.jpg)




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 20, 2010, 11:57:59 PM
side note.......... could some talented "photoshop monkey" make my new Avi's shirt "orange" instead of puke red???  ::CowboySmiley::

This orange enough?  ::MonkeyHaHa::

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/WreckOrange.jpg)

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/WreckOrange.jpg

I love it!   ::CowboySmiley::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: wreck on October 20, 2010, 11:58:56 PM
side note.......... could some talented "photoshop monkey" make my new Avi's shirt "orange" instead of puke red???  ::CowboySmiley::

This orange enough?  ::MonkeyHaHa::

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/WreckOrange.jpg)

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/WreckOrange.jpg
A little "Texas Orange" but okay!!!   ::MonkeyCheer4:: a little more like the "RAH" in this emoticon!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: klaasend on October 21, 2010, 12:19:05 AM
Subtle change, what do you think?

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/WreckOrange-1.jpg)

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/WreckOrange-1.jpg


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: klaasend on October 21, 2010, 12:25:49 AM
Subtle change, what do you think?

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/WreckOrange-1.jpg)

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/WreckOrange-1.jpg

Last one  ::MonkeyDevil::

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/WreckOrange2.jpg)

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/WreckOrange2.jpg



Now...somebody stop me before I'm banned for being off topic  ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 21, 2010, 12:26:30 AM
Subtle change, what do you think?

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/WreckOrange-1.jpg)

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/WreckOrange-1.jpg

The eyes of Texas are upon you....   ::CowboySmiley::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Magnolia on October 21, 2010, 12:27:25 AM
https://www.lasuperiorcourt.org/OnlineServices/CivilImages/index.asp

10/18/2010 Order
Filed by Attorney for Defendant/Respondent

10/18/2010 Stipulation (OF THE PARTIES DE-DESIGNATING CERTAIN DOCS., ETC. )
Filed by Attorney for Defendant/Respondent

10/18/2010 Ex-Parte Application (to file memo of p&a in excess of 20 pages but not to exceed 30 pages )
Filed by Attorney for Defendant/Respondent

Not sure what it means exactly but ruled in favor of the Defendants  ::MonkeyCool::

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/K2DrPhilMinutes101810.jpg)


Again, I'm no lawyer -- but, "ex parte" means a motion is asked for without input from the other party. It APPEARS to me that Dr. Phil's atty's are indeed asking for a "Summary Judgement"!!!  ::MonkeyDance::


I found this about "Summary Judgement" at wiki.

A different and very common tactic is where a defendant moves for summary judgment in its favor on a plaintiff's cause of action. The key difference is that in this latter situation, the defendant need only attack one essential element of the plaintiff's claim. A finding that the plaintiff cannot prove one essential element of its claim necessarily renders all other elements immaterial and results in an immediate grant of summary judgment to the defendant. Therefore, these motions tend to be precisely targeted to the weakest points of the plaintiff's case. It is also possible for a plaintiff to move for summary judgment in its favor on a defendant's affirmative defense, but those motions are very rare.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: wreck on October 21, 2010, 12:31:29 AM
Subtle change, what do you think?

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/WreckOrange-1.jpg)

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/WreckOrange-1.jpg

Last one  ::MonkeyDevil::

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Now...somebody stop me before I'm banned for being off topic  ::MonkeyDevil::
Yeehah!!  ::CowboySmiley::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 21, 2010, 12:33:15 AM
https://www.lasuperiorcourt.org/OnlineServices/CivilImages/index.asp

10/18/2010 Order
Filed by Attorney for Defendant/Respondent

10/18/2010 Stipulation (OF THE PARTIES DE-DESIGNATING CERTAIN DOCS., ETC. )
Filed by Attorney for Defendant/Respondent

10/18/2010 Ex-Parte Application (to file memo of p&a in excess of 20 pages but not to exceed 30 pages )
Filed by Attorney for Defendant/Respondent

Not sure what it means exactly but ruled in favor of the Defendants  ::MonkeyCool::

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/K2DrPhilMinutes101810.jpg)



 ::MonkeyGavel::

Thanks for bringing this over Klaas!  And thanks to our anonymous monkey that paid the fee for the document!

 ::MonkeyCool::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 21, 2010, 12:39:02 AM
https://www.lasuperiorcourt.org/OnlineServices/CivilImages/index.asp

10/18/2010 Order
Filed by Attorney for Defendant/Respondent

10/18/2010 Stipulation (OF THE PARTIES DE-DESIGNATING CERTAIN DOCS., ETC. )
Filed by Attorney for Defendant/Respondent

10/18/2010 Ex-Parte Application (to file memo of p&a in excess of 20 pages but not to exceed 30 pages )
Filed by Attorney for Defendant/Respondent

Not sure what it means exactly but ruled in favor of the Defendants  ::MonkeyCool::

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/K2DrPhilMinutes101810.jpg)


Again, I'm no lawyer -- but, "ex parte" means a motion is asked for without input from the other party. It APPEARS to me that Dr. Phil's atty's are indeed asking for a "Summary Judgement"!!!  ::MonkeyDance::


I found this about "Summary Judgement" at wiki.

A different and very common tactic is where a defendant moves for summary judgment in its favor on a plaintiff's cause of action. The key difference is that in this latter situation, the defendant need only attack one essential element of the plaintiff's claim. A finding that the plaintiff cannot prove one essential element of its claim necessarily renders all other elements immaterial and results in an immediate grant of summary judgment to the defendant. Therefore, these motions tend to be precisely targeted to the weakest points of the plaintiff's case. It is also possible for a plaintiff to move for summary judgment in its favor on a defendant's affirmative defense, but those motions are very rare.



Thanks Magnolia!   ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: wreck on October 21, 2010, 12:39:16 AM
https://www.lasuperiorcourt.org/OnlineServices/CivilImages/index.asp

10/18/2010 Order
Filed by Attorney for Defendant/Respondent

10/18/2010 Stipulation (OF THE PARTIES DE-DESIGNATING CERTAIN DOCS., ETC. )
Filed by Attorney for Defendant/Respondent

10/18/2010 Ex-Parte Application (to file memo of p&a in excess of 20 pages but not to exceed 30 pages )
Filed by Attorney for Defendant/Respondent

Not sure what it means exactly but ruled in favor of the Defendants  ::MonkeyCool::

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/K2DrPhilMinutes101810.jpg)


Again, I'm no lawyer -- but, "ex parte" means a motion is asked for without input from the other party. It APPEARS to me that Dr. Phil's atty's are indeed asking for a "Summary Judgement"!!!  ::MonkeyDance::


I found this about "Summary Judgement" at wiki.

A different and very common tactic is where a defendant moves for summary judgment in its favor on a plaintiff's cause of action. The key difference is that in this latter situation, the defendant need only attack one essential element of the plaintiff's claim. A finding that the plaintiff cannot prove one essential element of its claim necessarily renders all other elements immaterial and results in an immediate grant of summary judgment to the defendant. Therefore, these motions tend to be precisely targeted to the weakest points of the plaintiff's case. It is also possible for a plaintiff to move for summary judgment in its favor on a defendant's affirmative defense, but those motions are very rare.


Yes, back when the Defendents replied to Plaintiff's motion to deem the case "complex" -- the Defendents told the judge that the "depositions" of the Kalpoes were making them considering asking for a "Summary Judgement".


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: wreck on October 21, 2010, 12:42:34 AM
I sure wish I had an "edit" button! My English isn't so poor in real life -- I just never proofread!  ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 21, 2010, 12:46:53 AM
I sure wish I had an "edit" button! My English isn't so poor in real life -- I just never proofread!  ::MonkeyMad::

It's o.k. wreck, we know what you meant to say!   ::MonkeyCool::

But I sure need one too!   ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Magnolia on October 21, 2010, 12:50:56 AM
I sure wish I had an "edit" button! My English isn't so poor in real life -- I just never proofread!  ::MonkeyMad::

To heck with your grammar.  It is better than many.. and your new Avi rocks!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 21, 2010, 01:34:12 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/nataleehollowayleftatage6.jpg)

Happy Birthday Natalee!
::MonkeyAngel::




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on October 21, 2010, 05:34:56 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/nataleehollowayleftatage6.jpg)

Happy Birthday Natalee!
::MonkeyAngel::




HAPPY BIRTHDAY, SWEET GIRL!

Through your life, others remain safe, your Mother makes sure of that.  You have not been forgotten.  Your legacy lives on, and will live on, forever.  

Blessings on your family and those who continue the work your Mom started, through the gift of you.  Be with your Mom, especially today, as she experiences the raw pain of your absence on your special day.  Hug your family and those you love and who love you, they need the power of your embrace.  Rest in the arms of Jesus, Natalee, your hero and savior.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on October 21, 2010, 06:38:59 AM


Please light some candles for the Birthday Girl!

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5700.0



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 21, 2010, 07:46:39 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/nataleehollowayleftatage6.jpg)

Happy Birthday Natalee!
::MonkeyAngel::


HAPPY BIRTHDAY, SWEET GIRL!

Through your life, others remain safe, your Mother makes sure of that.  You have not been forgotten.  Your legacy lives on, and will live on, forever.  

Blessings on your family and those who continue the work your Mom started, through the gift of you.  Be with your Mom, especially today, as she experiences the raw pain of your absence on your special day.  Hug your family and those you love and who love you, they need the power of your embrace.  Rest in the arms of Jesus, Natalee, your hero and savior.


I just knew you'd have the words that I couldn't find, thank you Sis!   :smt022


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 21, 2010, 07:59:36 AM


Please light some candles for the Birthday Girl!

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5700.0



Yes, please do!  Let's at least get to 24!   ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on October 21, 2010, 08:32:44 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/nataleehollowayleftatage6.jpg)

Happy Birthday Natalee!
::MonkeyAngel::


HAPPY BIRTHDAY, SWEET GIRL!

Through your life, others remain safe, your Mother makes sure of that.  You have not been forgotten.  Your legacy lives on, and will live on, forever.  

Blessings on your family and those who continue the work your Mom started, through the gift of you.  Be with your Mom, especially today, as she experiences the raw pain of your absence on your special day.  Hug your family and those you love and who love you, they need the power of your embrace.  Rest in the arms of Jesus, Natalee, your hero and savior.


I just knew you'd have the words that I couldn't find, thank you Sis!   :smt022

You are welcome, they typed themselves.

 ::MonkeyAngel::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on October 21, 2010, 08:36:16 AM


Please light some candles for the Birthday Girl!

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5700.0



Yes, please do!  Let's at least get to 24!   ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyAngel::

I posted it to the Musers and the Ban Clan.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: msmarple on October 21, 2010, 10:01:20 AM
Just honoring Natalee's birthday. This must be a bittersweet day for her family - remembering her, feeling her absence. {{{ Beth, Matt and Dave }}}.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 21, 2010, 10:47:29 AM
Natalee's Birthday - October 21, 2005

Corruption in Paradise - Dave Holloway

Page 168:
  I had planned to end my trip on Friday, October 21, Natalee’s birthday.  However, so much activity was going on in Aruba – with the Equusearch team  and the equipment that Art Wood had brought in, as well as the tapes arriving – that I did not feel that I could just turn my back and leave.  Unfortunately, the sophisticated camera that Art had obtained was not as effective as what Equusearch had with them.  But, Equusearch’s sonar search capabilities were much better than anything that the Aruban authorities had.

Natalee’s birthday was a difficult day.  I tried not to focus on it  and kept busy with my efforts to search for her.  As with times back in Mississippi, I was not always with Natalee on her birthday due to sharing time with her with Beth.  I did my best to imagine that this was just not my turn to spend her birthday with her.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 21, 2010, 10:57:06 AM
Natalee's 19th Birthday

Scarborough Country -  October 21, 2005


Joe: Do you have any birthday memories? Anything, like her 18th birthday, what was she doing on her last birthday?

Beth: Probably her 16th birthday cause that is when you do the car. I think that one was probably the most special, and it probably is to all parents.

Joe: What do you remember the most about the 16th birthday?

Beth: I don’t think I can do it. (Starts to cry)

Transcript Credit: ?

http://michellesaysso.blogspot.com/2005/10/gang-rape-overlooked-by-aruba.html




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Anna on October 21, 2010, 11:15:06 AM
Commemorating Natalee's birthday that she is not here to celebrate.  Aruban Joran van der Sloot is responsible for that and Aruba refused to collect evidence against him and to provide justice and closure for Natalee's family.

And now Joran has killed yet again.  Had Aruba supplied even minimal investigative techniques, Joran would have been in jail and Stephany Flores would be alive.  So once again, Aruba is in the glare of public scrutiny and this time they can't blame anybody other than Joran!

Joran van der Sloot is and always will be the face of Aruba, their poster child and favored son.  They were more than willing to sacrifice justice rather than admit that the locals were drugging and raping the tourist girls but that's what Joran said was happening.  Twenty times before.

More than ever the world knows what Aruba did and did not do to bring justice for Natalee and her family.  Joran is the gift that just keeps on giving to Aruba.  And no amount of ad and PR money will offset the damage done to Aruba by the Sloots.  I hope it was worth it to them.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Anna on October 21, 2010, 11:36:51 AM
I don't believe Dr. Phil's program edited the Deepak tape as to content.  And the Kalpoes have admitted they were with Joran the night he made Natalee disappear.

I wonder if Joran had killed again before they filed this lawsuit, if they would have even filed it.

Hanging out with a multiple murderer can't be thought to enhance ones reputation so what are they talking about with that.  As i recall the entirety of that program, the focal point was on human trafficking and not the Kalpoes. 

Just as Aruba grossly misjudged Beth Holloway and the support she would receive for her daughter, I think they have over-estimated the merits of this lawsuit and can now only hope for a favorable ruling rather than admit it was so ill advised to file in the first place. 

You can't destroy a reputation that isn't there in the first place.  The Kalpoes were very proud of being one of the "Pimps" before and the photos exist to prove that.  They admitted to all manner of things they did in the company of Joran van der Sloot.  So now blaming Dr. Phil for being associated with this monster just doesn't seem likely to stick to me.  They have only themselves to thank for that association.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: NM on October 21, 2010, 11:55:05 AM
Happy Birthday Natalee.Wishing and Praying for your Justice and Return home. With Love Always, NM

Hey Monks.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on October 21, 2010, 12:14:28 PM
Ditto


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: wreck on October 21, 2010, 12:32:22 PM
https://www.lasuperiorcourt.org/OnlineServices/CivilImages/index.asp

10/18/2010 Order
Filed by Attorney for Defendant/Respondent

10/18/2010 Stipulation (OF THE PARTIES DE-DESIGNATING CERTAIN DOCS., ETC. )
Filed by Attorney for Defendant/Respondent

10/18/2010 Ex-Parte Application (to file memo of p&a in excess of 20 pages but not to exceed 30 pages )
Filed by Attorney for Defendant/Respondent

Not sure what it means exactly but ruled in favor of the Defendants  ::MonkeyCool::

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/K2DrPhilMinutes101810.jpg)


Again, I'm no lawyer -- but, "ex parte" means a motion is asked for without input from the other party. It APPEARS to me that Dr. Phil's atty's are indeed asking for a "Summary Judgement"!!!  ::MonkeyDance::


I found this about "Summary Judgement" at wiki.

A different and very common tactic is where a defendant moves for summary judgment in its favor on a plaintiff's cause of action. The key difference is that in this latter situation, the defendant need only attack one essential element of the plaintiff's claim. A finding that the plaintiff cannot prove one essential element of its claim necessarily renders all other elements immaterial and results in an immediate grant of summary judgment to the defendant. Therefore, these motions tend to be precisely targeted to the weakest points of the plaintiff's case. It is also possible for a plaintiff to move for summary judgment in its favor on a defendant's affirmative defense, but those motions are very rare.


Yes, back when the Defendents replied to Plaintiff's motion to deem the case "complex" -- the Defendents told the judge that the "depositions" of the Kalpoes were making them considering asking for a "Summary Judgement".
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
BUMP


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: carpe noctem on October 21, 2010, 01:07:03 PM
Happy Birthday Natalee!!! ::MonkeyAngel::


Never forgotten.

 ::HelloKitty::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Kimmy53 on October 21, 2010, 01:25:02 PM
Happy Birthday Natalee~

Prayers for Natalee's family on this day ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: snoopy on October 21, 2010, 01:48:50 PM


Please light some candles for the Birthday Girl!


http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5700.0



Yes, please do!  Let's at least get to 24!   ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyAngel::


There's 24 now.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on October 21, 2010, 02:01:07 PM
I don't believe Dr. Phil's program edited the Deepak tape as to content.  And the Kalpoes have admitted they were with Joran the night he made Natalee disappear.

I wonder if Joran had killed again before they filed this lawsuit, if they would have even filed it.

Hanging out with a multiple murderer can't be thought to enhance ones reputation so what are they talking about with that.  As i recall the entirety of that program, the focal point was on human trafficking and not the Kalpoes. 

Just as Aruba grossly misjudged Beth Holloway and the support she would receive for her daughter, I think they have over-estimated the merits of this lawsuit and can now only hope for a favorable ruling rather than admit it was so ill advised to file in the first place. 

You can't destroy a reputation that isn't there in the first place.  The Kalpoes were very proud of being one of the "Pimps" before and the photos exist to prove that.  They admitted to all manner of things they did in the company of Joran van der Sloot.  So now blaming Dr. Phil for being associated with this monster just doesn't seem likely to stick to me.  They have only themselves to thank for that association.



Just think how Natalee's life would have been changed, if they refused to drive him in the pimp mobile or if they refused to take her 'for a ride' afterward, and would have let her go home with her friends instead.  They knew the kind of guy Joran was, Natalee didn't.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on October 21, 2010, 02:03:50 PM


Please light some candles for the Birthday Girl!


http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5700.0



Yes, please do!  Let's at least get to 24!   ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyAngel::


There's 24 now.

 ::MonkeyHeart:: ::MonkeyHeart:: ::MonkeyHeart::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 21, 2010, 02:45:10 PM
Commemorating Natalee's birthday that she is not here to celebrate.  Aruban Joran van der Sloot is responsible for that and Aruba refused to collect evidence against him and to provide justice and closure for Natalee's family.

And now Joran has killed yet again.  Had Aruba supplied even minimal investigative techniques, Joran would have been in jail and Stephany Flores would be alive.  So once again, Aruba is in the glare of public scrutiny and this time they can't blame anybody other than Joran!

Joran van der Sloot is and always will be the face of Aruba, their poster child and favored son.  They were more than willing to sacrifice justice rather than admit that the locals were drugging and raping the tourist girls but that's what Joran said was happening.  Twenty times before.

More than ever the world knows what Aruba did and did not do to bring justice for Natalee and her family.  Joran is the gift that just keeps on giving to Aruba.  And no amount of ad and PR money will offset the damage done to Aruba by the Sloots.  I hope it was worth it to them.



 ::rhino::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 21, 2010, 02:46:20 PM


Please light some candles for the Birthday Girl!


http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5700.0



Yes, please do!  Let's at least get to 24!   ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyAngel::


There's 24 now.

 ::MonkeyHeart:: ::MonkeyHeart:: ::MonkeyHeart::



Thanks Monkeys!   ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyCheer2:: ::cartwheel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 21, 2010, 02:47:52 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_79907.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

Dompig defends reputation

October 21, 2010, 13:58 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - Former Police Commissioner Gerold Dompig is angry. He says in a comment that the Netherlands never doubted his judicial integrity. This expresses his former employer, the Aruban Department of Justice against.

Netherlands said yesterday that the appointment of Amigoe Dompig the Criminal Investigation Team (RST), stopped, because it doubted Dompig's judicial integrity.

Dompig thinks his reputation has been affected. Is not he, but former Minister Rudy Croes is that it causes no Dompig in 2003 became director of the Criminal Investigation Team (RST), he says. But Dompig says the statements by the Aruban Justice Department untrue. Netherlands would not have doubted his integrity, but those of the then Minister Rudy Croes. "Croes and I had a good working relationship. I was closely associated with him, "Dompig said," But they wanted for the fellowship at the RST do not want someone so close to Croes Sat Netherlands did not trust him. "

Dompig says that he then, in 2003, deliberately not oppose the media coverage. "Because the process took so long, began to Aruba to question the reasons. But I did not want to hang out dirty laundry. These were my candidature for the RST. I did not want the RST in bad light would be brought, "said the former commissioner.

Dompig further points out that, despite the opposition of Minister Croes (who to his own zeggen'niet needed 'was), nonetheless is subject to a background investigation. "I went to the Netherlands, to Zoetermeer. I have spent three days for the assessment of Deloitte & Touch and background screening of the AIVD (General Intelligence and Security Service, ed.) In the test of Deloitte & Touch, I even out top. "


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 21, 2010, 02:50:07 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_79905.php

Google translation:

ARUBA
Criminal proceedings against Booshi Weaver today
October 21, 2010, 13:57 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - The criminal case against MEP leader Booshi Weaver libel was discussed today. Rudy Lampe, leader of the political party RED, 2007 had been declared against Weaver after Weaver had been a pedophile for him in an interview. Weaver himself is not on the island because he is currently in Curacao for his health. He is represented by attorney Anthony Ruiz. Lampe is assisted by Amalin Flanegin.

Weaver said in 2007, when Minister of Health, Environmental, Administrative and Immigration in an interview that an investigation should be started at the period when Lampe worked as a priest. Lampe was at the time was probably guilty of pedophilia, says Weaver.

Weaver repeated the accusation on several occasions, both in the States and during the campaign leading up to parliamentary elections. Justice is by no means to prosecute the former minister made, despite a ruling last August by the Court. In that case the court that the Public Prosecutor (OM) Weaver had to sue for libel. The prosecution had earlier indicate the case to dismiss the criminal investigation after a long time got delayed. According to Attorney General Rob Pietersz would be due to the understaffing of the National Crime Squad have been. When the OM finally a half years after the investigation closed, was waived from prosecution. Lampe went lodge an appeal and was thus finally in June this year the same Court. Recently, Rudy Lampe appealed against the decision of the Court which indicated that Weaver in the States made allegations of pedophilia to his address did not have to rectify. For this, Lampe-known Dutch criminal lawyer Gerard Spong was retained. Spong had expressed interest in the matter, given that parliamentary immunity and whether a politician can make hurtful statements. Spong wants to appeal a possible precedent for a case against PVV leader Geert Wilders. At the time of printing of this edition is not yet released information about the handling of the case against Weaver Booshi.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 21, 2010, 02:51:42 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_79903.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

Alex Mathew detention extended

October 21, 2010, 13:55 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - Mathew Alexander, owner of Foxy Lady strip club in San Nicolas, still stuck at least 30 days. That the magistrate decided yesterday during a hearing on the extension of his detention.

The Public Prosecutor (OM) wants the suspect in the interest of the study longer. In addition, Mathew suspected of trafficking and membership in a criminal organization. These are serious crimes in which a high imprisonment. It is common for the calls for renewal of detention.

Mathew is now about three months in custody and there is the decision of the magistrate is at least another month. After these 30 days, the suspect again appear in court, which will re-assess whether the extended detention of Mathew. Two other defendants in this case are still in custody. They are just like Mathew suspected of involvement in trafficking and participation in a criminal organization.

In the media reports of a hunger strike by Mathew. But Angela Ann, spokesman for the prosecutor, said that these messages are not based on truth. "He wants to get his food covered in connection with his religion. He is Muslim. "That happened in the first instance is not. "He got his food, like all other prisoners naked." Subsequently, the suspect refused his food. Now Mathew gets his food in prison covered with foil and eats normally.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 21, 2010, 02:55:48 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_79892.php

FOL-Treaty extended with five years

20 Okt, 2010, 08:49 (GMT -04:00)

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WILLEMSTAD — The FOL (Forward Operating Location) Treaty will be extended for five years as of November 2011. The current FOL Treaty has a term of ten years. The treaty regulates the entry to and the use of facilities in the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba between the Kingdom of the Netherlands and the government of the United States of America for aerial drug combating. Seven-hundred flights were performed in the period October 2008 up to and including September 2009, of which 667 from Hato airport and 33 from Reina Beatrix airport. The total number of hours that the FOL’s were active amounts to 3583.

The flights led to the interception of 234,000 kilograms of cocaine, 7,000 kilograms of marihuana, and 36.5 kilograms of heroin.

The treaty was approved through National Law on October 18th 2001. The FOL on Curaçao is located at Hato International Airport, and the FOL on Aruba at Reina Beatrix International Airport.

The Dutch parliament and the States of the Netherlands Antilles and of Aruba – who were informed by letter of March 26th – have not expressed any objections against the intention to extend the FOL-Treaty for a five-year period.

“The Kingdom benefits from the American aerial reconnaissance on which basis drug transports can be tracked and intercepted” according to a recent letter from the Minister of Foreign Affairs, Maxime Verhagen. “In a large number of cases, the latter occurred in cooperation with the Royal Navy or the Coastguard of the Kingdom for the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba.

Combating the drug problems in the Caribbean region is of worldwide importance. As member state of the European Union, the Netherlands endorses to the principle of joint responsibility and acts accordingly.

The Commander of the Naval Forces in the Caribbean area is consistently informed by the US in advance on so-called ‘host nation riders’ (HNR’s) flying along, according to the letter. These observers must be on board flights that cross the borders with third countries. They represent their government during the flight over sovereign territory of a third country and provide expertise on the area flown over.

“In the period 2008-2009, 175 missions in total were performed that required HNR’s. All of the observers on these flights had the Columbian nationality. There were 116 missions over Columbian territory, 15 missions over Columbian territorial waters, and 44 missions ‘Outside COL TTWs in International Waters’.

During the evaluation period October 2008 up to and including September 2009, the construction (maintenance activities and improvements to facilities) of the FOL’s continued steadily and without problems, according to the Minister. During the reporting period, no problems or incidents were reported to the authorities in Willemstad or Oranjestad that involved interpretation or implementation of the FOL-Treaty. “The FOL security personnel maintain excellent contacts with the local and military institutes where it concerns matters of mutual interest. In conformity with the treaty agreements, the US keeps the Commander of the Naval Forces in the Caribbean area informed of flights that are performed from the FOL’s. This regards numbers and kind of flights, and operational flight data such as the duration of the flight, the patrol area and type of aircraft.”

The FOL Commander has direct contact with the Commander of the Naval Forces in the Caribbean area (CZMCARIB) and the consul general of the United States. The existing close cooperation between the Royal Navy, the local authorities, the FOL management and the consulate of the US also continued during this reporting period. According to Foreign Affairs, they all experienced the cooperation as very constructive.

The operations from the FOL’s had no notable consequences for the civil aviation activities at the Hato and Reina Beatrix airports or the flight operations from CZMCARIB.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on October 21, 2010, 03:01:30 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_79907.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

Dompig defends reputation

October 21, 2010, 13:58 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - Former Police Commissioner Gerold Dompig is angry. He says in a comment that the Netherlands never doubted his judicial integrity. This expresses his former employer, the Aruban Department of Justice against.

Netherlands said yesterday that the appointment of Amigoe Dompig the Criminal Investigation Team (RST), stopped, because it doubted Dompig's judicial integrity.

Dompig thinks his reputation has been affected. Is not he, but former Minister Rudy Croes is that it causes no Dompig in 2003 became director of the Criminal Investigation Team (RST), he says. But Dompig says the statements by the Aruban Justice Department untrue. Netherlands would not have doubted his integrity, but those of the then Minister Rudy Croes. "Croes and I had a good working relationship. I was closely associated with him, "Dompig said," But they wanted for the fellowship at the RST do not want someone so close to Croes Sat Netherlands did not trust him. "

Dompig says that he then, in 2003, deliberately not oppose the media coverage. "Because the process took so long, began to Aruba to question the reasons. But I did not want to hang out dirty laundry. These were my candidature for the RST. I did not want the RST in bad light would be brought, "said the former commissioner.

Dompig further points out that, despite the opposition of Minister Croes (who to his own zeggen'niet needed 'was), nonetheless is subject to a background investigation. "I went to the Netherlands, to Zoetermeer. I have spent three days for the assessment of Deloitte & Touch and background screening of the AIVD (General Intelligence and Security Service, ed.) In the test of Deloitte & Touch, I even out top. "

We've been angrier much longer than him, only with him it is all about, 'me, me, me, me, me!'

I guess he will never get it, will he?

 ::MonkeyNoNo::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 21, 2010, 03:03:27 PM
http://www.24ora.com/local-mainmenu-5/23271-gerold-dompig-a-bira-consehero-di-minister.html

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Gerold Dompig a bira consehero di Minister      
Thursday, 21 October 2010 00:50
 
 
E ex Comisario di Polis, Gerold Dompig, a confirma cu el a haya e posicion di Consehero di Minister di Husticia y Polis na Surnam. E ta conseha Minister Martin Misiedjan, kende a wordo apunta dor di Presidente Desi Bouterse. Dompig ta un "consultant" den servicio di Gobierno y ta spera di por duna un man pa yuda su mesun pais awor.

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Mustra/Kita comentarionan
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Scirbi pa megtron, October 21, 2010   
Waar is Natalie??? Cu bon hende e ta bai traha. Bisami cu ken bo ta cana mi ta bisabo ken bo ta. Bouterse cu tin un proseso contra dje di e decembermoorden, y como drugsbaron. Wak full e gobierno nobo, Van Para, Brunswijk, Bravo enz. En nu ex comisario cu a traha aki. Aki mes ta su coleganan a scape tur e biaha nan cu e tabata bati su muhe bont en blauw.



Papiamentu translation:

gerold dompig owing to become consehero by minister

thursday, 21 october 2010 00:50

the ex comisario by police, gerold dompig, owing to confirma cu past owing to attain the posicion by consehero by minister by husticia y police at surnam. the is conseha minister hammer misiedjan, that owing to wordo apunta by by chairman desi bouterse. dompig is one "consultant" in servicio by gobierno y is wait for by can give one hand before aid her same country at present.

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scirbi before megtron, october 21, 2010

waar is natalie??? cu good person the is go work. bisami cu that are you march i am bisabo that are you. bouterse cu have one action contra dje by the decembermoorden, y because drugsbaron. look at full the gobierno new, van bird, brunswijk, bravo enz. provided that nu ex comisario cu owing to work here. here self is her coleganan owing to scape all the trip they cu the was beat her muhe bont provided that blauw. come across


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on October 21, 2010, 03:06:16 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_79905.php

Google translation:

ARUBA
Criminal proceedings against Booshi Weaver today
October 21, 2010, 13:57 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - The criminal case against MEP leader Booshi Weaver libel was discussed today. Rudy Lampe, leader of the political party RED, 2007 had been declared against Weaver after Weaver had been a pedophile for him in an interview. Weaver himself is not on the island because he is currently in Curacao for his health. He is represented by attorney Anthony Ruiz. Lampe is assisted by Amalin Flanegin.

Weaver said in 2007, when Minister of Health, Environmental, Administrative and Immigration in an interview that an investigation should be started at the period when Lampe worked as a priest. Lampe was at the time was probably guilty of pedophilia, says Weaver.

Weaver repeated the accusation on several occasions, both in the States and during the campaign leading up to parliamentary elections. Justice is by no means to prosecute the former minister made, despite a ruling last August by the Court. In that case the court that the Public Prosecutor (OM) Weaver had to sue for libel. The prosecution had earlier indicate the case to dismiss the criminal investigation after a long time got delayed. According to Attorney General Rob Pietersz would be due to the understaffing of the National Crime Squad have been. When the OM finally a half years after the investigation closed, was waived from prosecution. Lampe went lodge an appeal and was thus finally in June this year the same Court. Recently, Rudy Lampe appealed against the decision of the Court which indicated that Weaver in the States made allegations of pedophilia to his address did not have to rectify. For this, Lampe-known Dutch criminal lawyer Gerard Spong was retained. Spong had expressed interest in the matter, given that parliamentary immunity and whether a politician can make hurtful statements. Spong wants to appeal a possible precedent for a case against PVV leader Geert Wilders. At the time of printing of this edition is not yet released information about the handling of the case against Weaver Booshi.

Things really get mixed up in the translation.

 :smt101



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on October 21, 2010, 03:11:22 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_79903.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

Alex Mathew detention extended

October 21, 2010, 13:55 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - Mathew Alexander, owner of Foxy Lady strip club in San Nicolas, still stuck at least 30 days. That the magistrate decided yesterday during a hearing on the extension of his detention.

The Public Prosecutor (OM) wants the suspect in the interest of the study longer. In addition, Mathew suspected of trafficking and membership in a criminal organization. These are serious crimes in which a high imprisonment. It is common for the calls for renewal of detention.

Mathew is now about three months in custody and there is the decision of the magistrate is at least another month. After these 30 days, the suspect again appear in court, which will re-assess whether the extended detention of Mathew. Two other defendants in this case are still in custody. They are just like Mathew suspected of involvement in trafficking and participation in a criminal organization.

In the media reports of a hunger strike by Mathew. But Angela Ann, spokesman for the prosecutor, said that these messages are not based on truth. "He wants to get his food covered in connection with his religion. He is Muslim. "That happened in the first instance is not. "He got his food, like all other prisoners naked." Subsequently, the suspect refused his food. Now Mathew gets his food in prison covered with foil and eats normally.


He likes his girls naked and his food covered.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 21, 2010, 03:19:52 PM
A Mother's Legacy

Loving Natalee – Beth Holloway

Page 200
: My child. My beautiful daughter. I can’t save her. It’s too late. Natalee is gone. And second to the great tragedy of losing her is if we fail to learn from what has happened.

I could be any parent in the world. And no parent should ever go through this experience. Natalee could be anyone’s daughter. And in these thoughts a new path is made clear. There is something I can do. Many people reached out to us, and I can now reach back to them. It might be too late to save Natalee, but it’s not too late to save others. And it’s time now to make good on my pledge to stand before high-school and college students, law enforcement professionals, victims’ rights groups, travelers of all ages, and anyone interested in personal safety to share Natalee’s story and our hard lessons, so that others might learn from them.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 21, 2010, 03:26:14 PM
Natalee Holloway Resource Center (NHRC)

http://www.crimemuseum.org/NHRC


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 21, 2010, 03:36:16 PM
The Book

Missing in Paradise: Where Is Natalee Holloway?
Thursday, May 31, 2007


GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, HOST:  You're starting to write a book?

BETH HOLLOWAY, NATALEE'S MOTHER: I am. I am. And you know, Greta, I feel as if — you know, if we can share some of the painful lessons that I've learned and the power of faith and can share these lessons with other parents and young adults, then, you know — and if I can prevent this tragedy from happening to another family, then it will be — well have been worth the writing of this book. So that is my hope.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,276715,00.html


Loving Natalee
A Mother’s Testament of Hope and Faith
By Beth Holloway


ISBN: 9780061452277; ISBN10: 0061452270; Imprint: HarperOne ; On Sale: 10/2/2007


Beth Holloway:

"Tragedy creates an opportunity to make a difference."


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: carpe noctem on October 21, 2010, 03:47:57 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_79903.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

Alex Mathew detention extended

October 21, 2010, 13:55 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - Mathew Alexander, owner of Foxy Lady strip club in San Nicolas, still stuck at least 30 days. That the magistrate decided yesterday during a hearing on the extension of his detention.

The Public Prosecutor (OM) wants the suspect in the interest of the study longer. In addition, Mathew suspected of trafficking and membership in a criminal organization. These are serious crimes in which a high imprisonment. It is common for the calls for renewal of detention.

Mathew is now about three months in custody and there is the decision of the magistrate is at least another month. After these 30 days, the suspect again appear in court, which will re-assess whether the extended detention of Mathew. Two other defendants in this case are still in custody. They are just like Mathew suspected of involvement in trafficking and participation in a criminal organization.

In the media reports of a hunger strike by Mathew. But Angela Ann, spokesman for the prosecutor, said that these messages are not based on truth. "He wants to get his food covered in connection with his religion. He is Muslim. "That happened in the first instance is not. "He got his food, like all other prisoners naked." Subsequently, the suspect refused his food. Now Mathew gets his food in prison covered with foil and eats normally.


He likes his girls naked and his food covered.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::



Almost sounds like a bad country song, huh?

I like my food covered, my girls nekkid, and my Budweiser cold! ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 21, 2010, 05:01:12 PM
Beth

You have moved beyond the unimaginable pain of losing your only daughter and ... given unselfishly of yourself to others.  Natalee would be proud of her mother.  Embrace this special day that our Lord has made and ... rejoice in precious memories.

 :smt060

Janet

++++++++

Natalee's Hero

Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Page 229
:  As I read on in the journal, I discover that one of the most moving entries is her desription of a hero.  Natalee writes:

"A Hero is someone who puts others before himself.  He or she is very selfless and cares about the well-being of others.  Heroes also accept life's challenges and remain strong through tough times.  They also have a strong sense of determination and stick to goals and morals.  I believe that heroes uphold morals and try to encourage others to live life morally correct.  Heroes are not only just people called in times of physical danger, but individuals that can both emotionally and physically help people get through rough times.  A hero should always show respect for other people as well as respect for himself."


It is not Easy!

Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Page 219:
In each city I have the privilege to speak to several high schools, churches, or law enforcement and civic groups.  This translates to thousands of youths and adults.  Delivering this safety mesage is my triumph over devastation.  If gives me great joy and is tremendously rewarding work.  I think that I can bear the pain of losing Natalee if it means that I can prevent another family from going through our tragic experience.  If even just one young person in tens of thousands is saved, then it's well worth it.

I ask young people to make a conscious decision to stay safe.  They have to make the choice.  And I'm not asking them do anything more than I ask myself.  I have to make difficult choices every day.  I have to make a conscious decision every morning when I wake up not to be bitter, not to live in resentment and let anger control me.  It's not easy.  I ask God to help me.  And I know it's not easy for young people to think about choosing not to get into a situation in which they can't defend themselves.  But we all have to make hard choices.  Every day.




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on October 21, 2010, 05:26:28 PM
Beth

You have moved beyond the unimaginable pain of losing your only daughter and ... given unselfishly of yourself to others.  Natalee would be proud of her mother.  Embrace this special day that our Lord has made and ... rejoice in precious memories.

 :smt060

Janet

++++++++

Natalee's Hero

Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Page 229
:  As I read on in the journal, I discover that one of the most moving entries is her desription of a hero.  Natalee writes:

"A Hero is someone who puts others before himself.  He or she is very selfless and cares about the well-being of others.  Heroes also accept life's challenges and remain strong through tough times.  They also have a strong sense of determination and stick to goals and morals.  I believe that heroes uphold morals and try to encourage others to live life morally correct.  Heroes are not only just people called in times of physical danger, but individuals that can both emotionally and physically help people get through rough times.  A hero should always show respect for other people as well as respect for himself."


It is not Easy!

Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Page 219:
In each city I have the privilege to speak to several high schools, churches, or law enforcement and civic groups.  This translates to thousands of youths and adults.  Delivering this safety mesage is my triumph over devastation.  If gives me great joy and is tremendously rewarding work.  I think that I can bear the pain of losing Natalee if it means that I can prevent another family from going through our tragic experience.  If even just one young person in tens of thousands is saved, then it's well worth it.

I ask young people to make a conscious decision to stay safe.  They have to make the choice.  And I'm not asking them do anything more than I ask myself.  I have to make difficult choices every day.  I have to make a conscious decision every morning when I wake up not to be bitter, not to live in resentment and let anger control me.  It's not easy.  I ask God to help me.  And I know it's not easy for young people to think about choosing not to get into a situation in which they can't defend themselves.  But we all have to make hard choices.  Every day.




There is no moving beyond the pain, there is only moving in spite of the pain.

 ::MonkeyTears::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 21, 2010, 05:28:21 PM
Bearlyhere

You are right.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 21, 2010, 06:14:21 PM
http://www.peterrdevries.nl/nieuws/de-nieuwe-reeks-afleveringen-begint-op-31-oktober/

Google translation:

Thursday, October 21, 2010, 8:35 hours

New episodes starting this month!

In recent months Peter went all over the world for research in a number of high profile cases. Sunday, October 31, the first episode of the new series finally on the tube. Check out the promo already!

Last Updated: Thursday, October 21, 2010, 09:31 hours

There's a video preview!  I'm trying to get some shots from it.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 21, 2010, 06:35:02 PM
http://www.peterrdevries.nl/nieuws/de-nieuwe-reeks-afleveringen-begint-op-31-oktober/

Google translation:

Thursday, October 21, 2010, 8:35 hours

New episodes starting this month!

In recent months Peter went all over the world for research in a number of high profile cases. Sunday, October 31, the first episode of the new series finally on the tube. Check out the promo already!

Last Updated: Thursday, October 21, 2010, 09:31 hours

There's a video preview!  I'm trying to get some shots from it.



(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Peter%20DeVries/10212010_PRDV_3.jpg)

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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: klaasend on October 21, 2010, 07:41:06 PM
Uploading the promo to photobucket right now  ::MonkeyCool::

Click on the picture below to watch the promo

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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: klaasend on October 21, 2010, 07:45:16 PM
Wonder why they did away with the K2 vs Dr. Phil lawsuit thread at Refugeesunleashed?  Maybe they have inside information that the suit is dead?  ::rhino:: ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 21, 2010, 07:52:47 PM
Yes, back when the Defendents replied to Plaintiff's motion to deem the case "complex" -- the Defendents told the judge that the "depositions" of the Kalpoes were making them considering asking for a "Summary Judgement".

Wreck

Considering the Kalpoes are no longer suspects in the Natalee Holloway case and ... considering the Kalpoes' are anticipating a huge lottery out of their  defamation lawsuit against Phil McGraw ... it does not make sense that either one of them implicated himself in wrongdoing in depositions.  IMO.

Almost four years following the filing of the defamation lawsuit ... the Kalpoes' attorneys have not complied with the court's repeated requests for case documentation.  Nevertheless ... the motion of the McGraw attorneys to dismiss the case has not been granted.  Why?

Janet



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Magnolia on October 21, 2010, 07:58:42 PM
Wonder why they did away with the K2 vs Dr. Phil lawsuit thread at Refugeesunleashed?  Maybe they have inside information that the suit is dead?  ::rhino:: ::MonkeyDevil::

I wondered about that also.   All who wonder are not lost. ::MonkeyJnBox::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 21, 2010, 08:05:01 PM
Yes, back when the Defendents replied to Plaintiff's motion to deem the case "complex" -- the Defendents told the judge that the "depositions" of the Kalpoes were making them considering asking for a "Summary Judgement".

Wreck

Considering the Kalpoes are no longer suspects in the Natalee Holloway case and ... considering the Kalpoes' are anticipating a huge lottery out of their  defamation lawsuit against Phil McGraw ... it does not make sense that either one of them implicated himself in wrongdoing in depositions.  IMO.

Almost four years following the filing of the defamation lawsuit ... the Kalpoes' attorneys have not complied with the court's repeated requests for case documentation.  Nevertheless ... the motion of the McGraw attorneys to dismiss the case has not been granted.  Why?

Janet



Reminder

Here is the key part for me!

Quote
This case is almost four years old; it is not complex despite Plaintiffs' claim to the contrary; and Defendants are prepared to file for summary judgment, which is based, in part, on Plaintiffs admissions (now confirmed by their depositions in this case) that they entered into a conspiracy with Joran Van der Sloot to confuse and frustrate the police investigation of the disappearance of an American citizen, Natalee Holloway, from the island of Aruba over 5 years ago in order to cover up their role in the mystery of what happened to the teenager.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Magnolia on October 21, 2010, 08:14:03 PM
Janet, you are arguing with yourself again.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 21, 2010, 08:18:09 PM
Janet, you are arguing with yourself again.

Far from it.

 ::piggy::

Janet



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 21, 2010, 08:28:47 PM
Wreck

It appears the Kalpoes' depositions do not reveal any wrongdoing against the person of Natalee Holloway.  How will a summary submitted for judgement be  expected to assist the defence.

I sincerely want you opinion.

Thanks.

Janet

+++++


Judge allows lawsuit to proceed against Dr. Phil
Feb. 6, 2008 10:12 AM ET


The Kalpoes, who have maintained they had nothing to do with Holloway's disappearance, sued in December 2006, claiming the "Dr. Phil" talk show altered portions of a taped conversation between Deepak Kalpoe and a private investigator to "create false, incriminating, and defamatory statements that the plaintiffs engaged in criminal activity against Natalee Holloway."

The brothers also contend the TV show implied they helped kill Holloway and disposed of her body. Their suit claims defamation, invasion of privacy, emotional distress, fraud, deceit and civil conspiracy.

http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/TopStories/20080206/dr_phil_080206/


Here is the key part for me!

Quote
This case is almost four years old; it is not complex despite Plaintiffs' claim to the contrary; and Defendants are prepared to file for summary judgment, which is based, in part, on Plaintiffs admissions (now confirmed by their depositions in this case) that they entered into a conspiracy with Joran Van der Sloot to confuse and frustrate the police investigation of the disappearance of an American citizen, Natalee Holloway, from the island of Aruba over 5 years ago in order to cover up their role in the mystery of what happened to the teenager.






Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: wreck on October 21, 2010, 08:33:05 PM
Yes, back when the Defendents replied to Plaintiff's motion to deem the case "complex" -- the Defendents told the judge that the "depositions" of the Kalpoes were making them considering asking for a "Summary Judgement".

Wreck

Considering the Kalpoes are no longer suspects in the Natalee Holloway case and ... considering the Kalpoes' are anticipating a huge lottery out of their  defamation lawsuit against Phil McGraw ... it does not make sense that either one of them implicated himself in wrongdoing in depositions.  IMO.

Almost four years following the filing of the defamation lawsuit ... the Kalpoes' attorneys have not complied with the court's repeated requests for case documentation.  Nevertheless ... the motion of the McGraw attorneys to dismiss the case has not been granted.  Why?

Janet


On the contrary -- they apparently CONCEDED they conspired with Joran Van Der Sloot to deceive ALE in their depositions -- they DID implicate themselves. Your quote of mine came straight from their (Plaintiffs) filings with the court.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: klaasend on October 21, 2010, 08:33:33 PM
Yes, back when the Defendents replied to Plaintiff's motion to deem the case "complex" -- the Defendents told the judge that the "depositions" of the Kalpoes were making them considering asking for a "Summary Judgement".

Wreck

Considering the Kalpoes are no longer suspects in the Natalee Holloway case and ... considering the Kalpoes' are anticipating a huge lottery out of their  defamation lawsuit against Phil McGraw ... it does not make sense that either one of them implicated himself in wrongdoing in depositions.  IMO.

Almost four years following the filing of the defamation lawsuit ... the Kalpoes' attorneys have not complied with the court's repeated requests for case documentation.  Nevertheless ... the motion of the McGraw attorneys to dismiss the case has not been granted.  Why?

Janet



Because they like to drag this stuff out in California?

Because the courts and Dr. Phil people are working with our FBI to try and get as much information as possible out of the Kalpoes?

The Kalpoes did admit they obstructed justice in the case and lied in their depositions given on August 25 (I believe that was the date).  How much else did they have to admit to?  How does Deepak explain that he is innocent of having sex with Natalee when he told his friend they did?  How does Deepak explain that he is innocent of having sex with Natalee when in the beginning all 3 admitted to having sex with her?

How can Deepak and Satish claim they were defamed by Dr. Phil when they admitted to doing exactly what they are complaining about?

Don't forget, depositions were just taken. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: wreck on October 21, 2010, 08:37:33 PM
The court has not ruled yet on a summary judgement (if indeed the plaintiffs have filed one yet).
Once again, you FAIL to recognize how our court system works. The judge has not and will not rule to dismiss the case until he/she is petitioned to do so (via "Summary Judgement"). The ONLY rulings so far have been strictly on PROCEEDURAL matters. The judge CANNOT rule on the "validity" of the suit or it's merits.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 21, 2010, 08:58:44 PM
Thank you Wreck and Klaas

It still does not make sense to me why the Kalpoes' would implicate themselves in regards to wrongdoing again the person of Natalee Holloway in depositions.  It certainly would not further the defamation case and ... those two could possible find themselves as suspects once again in the Natalee Holloway case.

Anyways ... the outcome will be what the outcome will be.

Janet





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on October 21, 2010, 08:59:21 PM
Uploading the promo to photobucket right now  ::MonkeyCool::

Click on the picture below to watch the promo

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Klaas, I swear you are a corporation of people working your head off.  Thank you!

 ::CowboySmiley::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on October 21, 2010, 09:06:21 PM
Janet, you are arguing with yourself again.

I was wondering myself who you were responding to.  Are you responding to questions asked somewhere?  It's okay if you don't want to say who.

 ::MonkeyShovel::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: wreck on October 21, 2010, 09:10:43 PM
Thank you Wreck and Klaas

It still does not make sense to me why the Kalpoes' would implicate themselves in regards to wrongdoing again the person of Natalee Holloway in depositions.  It certainly would not further the defamation case and ... those two could possible find themselves as suspects once again in the Natalee Holloway case.

Anyways ... the outcome will be what the outcome will be.

Janet




In depositions they are asked questions (under oath) from the Plaintiffs attorneys. The Kalpoes did not just come out and "implicate" themselves on purpose. They simply answered questions posed to them. The Plaintiffs apparently FIRMLY believe the answers they got from the Kalpoes IMPLICATE
 themselves (or at least strongly contradict their own claims in the law suit).

Wreck - I think you mean Defendants.  The Kalpoes were asked questions under oath from the Defendants attorneys.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on October 21, 2010, 09:12:19 PM
Yes, back when the Defendents replied to Plaintiff's motion to deem the case "complex" -- the Defendents told the judge that the "depositions" of the Kalpoes were making them considering asking for a "Summary Judgement".

Wreck

Considering the Kalpoes are no longer suspects in the Natalee Holloway case and ... considering the Kalpoes' are anticipating a huge lottery out of their  defamation lawsuit against Phil McGraw ... it does not make sense that either one of them implicated himself in wrongdoing in depositions.  IMO.

Almost four years following the filing of the defamation lawsuit ... the Kalpoes' attorneys have not complied with the court's repeated requests for case documentation.  Nevertheless ... the motion of the McGraw attorneys to dismiss the case has not been granted.  Why?

Janet


On the contrary -- they apparently CONCEDED they conspired with Joran Van Der Sloot to deceive ALE in their depositions -- they DID implicate themselves. Your quote of mine came straight from their (Plaintiffs) filings with the court.

That is my understanding.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Magnolia on October 21, 2010, 09:17:06 PM
Janet, you are arguing with yourself again.

I was wondering myself who you were responding to.  Are you responding to questions asked somewhere?  It's okay if you don't want to say who.

 ::MonkeyShovel::




I was talking about Janet's questions about the Kalpoe vs Dr. Phil lawsuit.
We (especially Wreck and Klaas) have tried to explain it over and over, to no avail. ::monkeywine2::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: klaasend on October 21, 2010, 09:17:46 PM
Thank you Wreck and Klaas

It still does not make sense to me why the Kalpoes' would implicate themselves in regards to wrongdoing again the person of Natalee Holloway in depositions.  It certainly would not further the defamation case and ... those two could possible find themselves as suspects once again in the Natalee Holloway case.

Anyways ... the outcome will be what the outcome will be.

Janet





Because they are under oath?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on October 21, 2010, 09:22:43 PM
Yes, back when the Defendents replied to Plaintiff's motion to deem the case "complex" -- the Defendents told the judge that the "depositions" of the Kalpoes were making them considering asking for a "Summary Judgement".

Wreck

Considering the Kalpoes are no longer suspects in the Natalee Holloway case and ... considering the Kalpoes' are anticipating a huge lottery out of their  defamation lawsuit against Phil McGraw ... it does not make sense that either one of them implicated himself in wrongdoing in depositions.  IMO.

Almost four years following the filing of the defamation lawsuit ... the Kalpoes' attorneys have not complied with the court's repeated requests for case documentation.  Nevertheless ... the motion of the McGraw attorneys to dismiss the case has not been granted.  Why?

Janet



Because they like to drag this stuff out in California?

Because the courts and Dr. Phil people are working with our FBI to try and get as much information as possible out of the Kalpoes?

The Kalpoes did admit they obstructed justice in the case and lied in their depositions given on August 25 (I believe that was the date).  How much else did they have to admit to?  How does Deepak explain that he is innocent of having sex with Natalee when he told his friend they did?  How does Deepak explain that he is innocent of having sex with Natalee when in the beginning all 3 admitted to having sex with her?

How can Deepak and Satish claim they were defamed by Dr. Phil when they admitted to doing exactly what they are complaining about?

Don't forget, depositions were just taken. 

No one deserves to be hurt the way Natalee was.  K2 admitted to it and now they must pay.  They were the ones who made themselves de-famous!  Now they are trying to get rich, hoping Dr. Phil and his team are an easy mark. 

Justice, aged by time is oh, so sweet!

 ::MonkeyGavel::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on October 21, 2010, 09:28:59 PM
Thank you Wreck and Klaas

It still does not make sense to me why the Kalpoes' would implicate themselves in regards to wrongdoing again the person of Natalee Holloway in depositions.  It certainly would not further the defamation case and ... those two could possible find themselves as suspects once again in the Natalee Holloway case.

Anyways ... the outcome will be what the outcome will be.

Janet




They did not think ahead.  They were trying to get money from Dr. P without going to trial.  They attempted to hold him by his money belt, and it did not work.  Attempting to understand the mind of criminals is futile.  You need to first get in their heads, a scary, dark, and dank place to be.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: wreck on October 21, 2010, 09:38:17 PM
Thank you Wreck and Klaas

It still does not make sense to me why the Kalpoes' would implicate themselves in regards to wrongdoing again the person of Natalee Holloway in depositions.  It certainly would not further the defamation case and ... those two could possible find themselves as suspects once again in the Natalee Holloway case.

Anyways ... the outcome will be what the outcome will be.

Janet




In depositions they are asked questions (under oath) from the Plaintiffs attorneys. The Kalpoes did not just come out and "implicate" themselves on purpose. They simply answered questions posed to them. The Plaintiffs apparently FIRMLY believe the answers they got from the Kalpoes IMPLICATE
 themselves (or at least strongly contradict their own claims in the law suit).

Wreck - I think you mean Defendants.  The Kalpoes were asked questions under oath from the Defendants attorneys.
Yes, sorry!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on October 21, 2010, 09:49:05 PM
Thank you Wreck and Klaas

It still does not make sense to me why the Kalpoes' would implicate themselves in regards to wrongdoing again the person of Natalee Holloway in depositions.  It certainly would not further the defamation case and ... those two could possible find themselves as suspects once again in the Natalee Holloway case.

Anyways ... the outcome will be what the outcome will be.

Janet





Unlike Aruba, in our country, if you make a deposition, it is expected to be the truth.  Perjury is a big no-no here.  To me it would make sense that they tell the truth, but that's because I was raised to do so....the Dutch system has allowed them to lie for 5 plus years, now.

Let's just wait for the outcome. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 21, 2010, 10:00:42 PM
Thank you Wreck and Klaas

It still does not make sense to me why the Kalpoes' would implicate themselves in regards to wrongdoing again the person of Natalee Holloway in depositions.  It certainly would not further the defamation case and ... those two could possible find themselves as suspects once again in the Natalee Holloway case.

Anyways ... the outcome will be what the outcome will be.

Janet



Because they are under oath?

Klaas

The Kalpoes' attorneys risked the case being thrown out by not complying with the court's request to produce case documents ... case documents that would implicate them in a sexual assault against the person of Natalee Holloway.  The risk was worth it.  In four years the case has not been dismissed.

Considering it stands to reason that truthful depositions would not be beneficial in furthering the defamation lawsuit ... I am surprised Satish and Deepak complied with the court's request when they came to California to be deposed.  What was the point?  Why not take the same risk as they did with the case documents and ... defy the request?

Anyways ... a game of Scrabble with friends is where it at tonight.  I have been on a high all afternoon.  Maybe it is a sign that I will win.

Good Night Monkeys

Janet
7:00 PM



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on October 21, 2010, 10:07:55 PM
 ::MonkeyRoll::   They bothered to finally give the depositions because our system required it (over and over and over).  They pushed the envelope too far, imo. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Lifesong on October 21, 2010, 10:21:08 PM

Anyone want to throw out a supposition regarding DeVries pictured on a boat in the water during this latest trip to Aruba?

That's news, imo.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 21, 2010, 10:53:01 PM
http://www.aruba.com/news/hotels/extraterrestrial-trip-to-the-occidental-grand-aruba/

Extraterrestrial Trip To The Occidental Grand Aruba

Hotels     May 19th, 2004

At the Occidental Grand Aruba, entertainment is an integral part of the vacation experience. The resort’s talented crew of dancers and acrobats who also tend bar, work on the beach and orchestrate guest-activities present five different showroom spectacles each week. Those are long-running Frenesi, Broadway, Moulin Rouge and Grease, besides the new Tuesday extravaganza, aptly called Circus in The sky.

General Manager Werner Hein is proud of his talented line up of international stars. The kids hail from Bulgaria, Cuba, the Dominical Republic, Costa Rica, Tunisia, Columbia & Aruba. Hein can often be seen with his wife, Andrea, entertaining dignitaries in the showroom, and later relaxing in the resort Jardin Brazlien Sports Bar over cordials, while the entertainment team helps discover decent Karaoke singers, from among resort guests.

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http://mensual.prensa.com/mensual/contenido/2008/01/24/hoy/sociales.shtml

Panama, Thursday 24 January 2008

New managers Skal
Skal, organization of tourism leaders worldwide, presented in the Chagres room Sheraton Hotel to its new board for 2008.


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Ulla de Carbón, Andrea Hein y Werner Hein

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http://www.ellasvirtual.com/history/2007/10/19/columna/evento.htm

Spanish translation:

EVENT
Gala pro decent schools
The Office of the First Lady held on 8 October, a gala to raise funds for his project 'Schools ranch for decent schools. " Attended by government figures and businessmen. After cocktails, guests enjoyed a sense concert by singer Gloria Estefan.

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http://www.facebook.com/

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Werner Hein
by Bohio International on Monday, March 29, 2010 at 8:52 a.m.
The outstanding professional career, which began nearly 30 years, has been steadily rising and have not been few challenges have been faced in this sector.

http://issuu.com/facebookbohio/docs/werner_hein

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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Magnolia on October 21, 2010, 10:53:25 PM

Anyone want to throw out a supposition regarding DeVries pictured on a boat in the water during this latest trip to Aruba?

That's news, imo.



It is just a guess on my part, but that doesn't look like Aruba to me.  I think that may be on Smith Lake
in Alabama.  I think Beth has a house there. 
We know from previous pictures that Peter was in Alabama before they went to Peru.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Lifesong on October 21, 2010, 10:54:45 PM
http://www.peterrdevries.nl/nieuws/de-nieuwe-reeks-afleveringen-begint-op-31-oktober/

Google translation:

Thursday, October 21, 2010, 8:35 hours

New episodes starting this month!

In recent months Peter went all over the world for research in a number of high profile cases. Sunday, October 31, the first episode of the new series finally on the tube. Check out the promo already!

Last Updated: Thursday, October 21, 2010, 09:31 hours

There's a video preview!  I'm trying to get some shots from it.



(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Peter%20DeVries/10212010_PRDV_3.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Peter%20DeVries/10212010_PRDV_4.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Peter%20DeVries/10212010_PRDV_5.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Peter%20DeVries/10212010_PRDV_6.jpg)

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Bumped

Thanks, Texasmom!   ::MonkeyKiss::


I wonder what he's pointing at?  Who is that on the boat in the brown shirt?

Interesting.




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 21, 2010, 10:55:40 PM
Uploading the promo to photobucket right now  ::MonkeyCool::

Click on the picture below to watch the promo

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/th_3C346D51_peterrdevries_promo_101020_clip_8215e6ec932.jpg) (http://s118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/?action=view&current=3C346D51_peterrdevries_promo_101020_clip_8215e6ec932.mp4)

Thanks Klaas!   ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 21, 2010, 10:58:33 PM
http://www.peterrdevries.nl/nieuws/de-nieuwe-reeks-afleveringen-begint-op-31-oktober/

Google translation:

Thursday, October 21, 2010, 8:35 hours

New episodes starting this month!

In recent months Peter went all over the world for research in a number of high profile cases. Sunday, October 31, the first episode of the new series finally on the tube. Check out the promo already!

Last Updated: Thursday, October 21, 2010, 09:31 hours

There's a video preview!  I'm trying to get some shots from it.



(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Peter%20DeVries/10212010_PRDV_3.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Peter%20DeVries/10212010_PRDV_4.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Peter%20DeVries/10212010_PRDV_5.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Peter%20DeVries/10212010_PRDV_6.jpg)

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Bumped

Thanks, Texasmom!   ::MonkeyKiss::


I wonder what he's pointing at?  Who is that on the boat in the brown shirt?

Interesting.


I'm not positive, but when I watched earlier I was thinking the boat scenes were from Alabama (with Beth) and Honduras (lady in the brown shirt).  Peter's fairly recent arrest in Australia was in relation to a case regarding a murder in Honduras IIRC.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Lifesong on October 21, 2010, 11:05:52 PM
Uploading the promo to photobucket right now  ::MonkeyCool::

Click on the picture below to watch the promo

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/th_3C346D51_peterrdevries_promo_101020_clip_8215e6ec932.jpg) (http://s118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/?action=view&current=3C346D51_peterrdevries_promo_101020_clip_8215e6ec932.mp4)

Thanks Klaas!   ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyKiss::


Thanks, all!

Wish I knew what they were saying.   ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

Still...it's going to be good.

Kalpoe's are stupid creatures, btw.

::MonkeyBike::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on October 21, 2010, 11:35:37 PM
Janet, you are arguing with yourself again.

I was wondering myself who you were responding to.  Are you responding to questions asked somewhere?  It's okay if you don't want to say who.

 ::MonkeyShovel::




I was talking about Janet's questions about the Kalpoe vs Dr. Phil lawsuit.
We (especially Wreck and Klaas) have tried to explain it over and over, to no avail. ::monkeywine2::

I knew who you were talking to, Mags, I was confused by Janet's post.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: billb's daughter on October 22, 2010, 12:10:03 AM
arlene should be consulting k2 and their attorneys......
they obviously don't understand the US court system..... ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on October 22, 2010, 12:39:01 AM
arlene should be consulting k2 and their attorneys......
they obviously don't understand the US court system..... ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyCool::

Figured I jump on so you'd get a ressponse Mr.Bill! ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: billb's daughter on October 22, 2010, 12:45:19 AM
arlene should be consulting k2 and their attorneys......
they obviously don't understand the US court system..... ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyCool::

Figured I jump on so you'd get a ressponse Mr.Bill! ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyTongue::
Thanks Keepthefaith..... ::MonkeyCool::
Free speech is only OK if you agree with the core...
I don't expect many replies...But appreciate all...
Justice for Natalee is why I'm here....
I could just read and not comment......but I'll comment when I have one..... ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on October 22, 2010, 12:49:06 AM
arlene should be consulting k2 and their attorneys......
they obviously don't understand the US court system..... ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyCool::

Figured I jump on so you'd get a ressponse Mr.Bill! ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyTongue::
Thanks Keepthefaith..... ::MonkeyCool::
Free speech is only OK if you agree with the core...
I don't expect many replies...But appreciate all...
Justice for Natalee is why I'm here....I could just read and not comment......but I'll comment when I have one..... ::MonkeyCool::

Me 2 Bill! ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on October 22, 2010, 12:52:48 AM
Keepthefaith, billb, wreck and 4 Guests ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: billb's daughter on October 22, 2010, 12:52:59 AM
After 5 + years.....We all know who is in the rafters and when we come and go based on the discussions....
regardless...Scared Monkeys provides the most up to date info on getting Justice for Natalee...and now unfortunately (SM WILL hold those accountable) for the murder of Stephany by the psychopath...urine...may his soul rest in Hell.....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on October 22, 2010, 01:10:14 AM
After 5 + years.....We all know who is in the rafters and when we come and go based on the discussions....
regardless...Scared Monkeys provides the most up to date info on getting Justice for Natalee...and now unfortunately (SM WILL hold those accountable) for the murder of Stephany by the psychopath...urine...may his soul rest in Hell.....

SM works to hold a lot of miscreants accountable,not only in the Natalee Holloway case,but many others.Natalee's case is a bit different in the fact there is quite a few people that have been impeding this investigation from the beginning,and continue to do so.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on October 22, 2010, 01:36:32 AM
HOTPING


 ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: billb's daughter on October 22, 2010, 01:40:39 AM
HOTPING


 ::MonkeyAngel::
::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: billb's daughter on October 22, 2010, 01:41:18 AM
billb, Tamikosmom, texasmom, Keepthefaith and 6 Guests are viewing this topic.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 22, 2010, 01:42:30 AM
SHE ISN’T COMING HOME

Loving Natalee – Beth Holloway

Page 198
:  The holidays will be here soon, and we’ll have to face the first season without Natalee.   People ask what I will do, how we’ll get through it.  But it’s not the holidays and birthdays that get to me.  It’s the milestones.  Natalee would be looking forward to her winter break after her first semester at college.  But she isn’t coming home from college for Christmas.  She isn’t coming home.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: billb's daughter on October 22, 2010, 01:59:05 AM
Good Night Good Monkeys....

Justice for Natalee....is just around the corner... ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on October 22, 2010, 02:03:19 AM
Good Night Good Monkeys....

Justice for Natalee....is just around the corner... ::MonkeyAngel::

GoodNight Bill.Justice IS,and always has been,THE goal!Nothing more,nothing less! ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on October 22, 2010, 02:07:33 AM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_79903.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

Alex Mathew detention extended

October 21, 2010, 13:55 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - Mathew Alexander, owner of Foxy Lady strip club in San Nicolas, still stuck at least 30 days. That the magistrate decided yesterday during a hearing on the extension of his detention.

The Public Prosecutor (OM) wants the suspect in the interest of the study longer. In addition, Mathew suspected of trafficking and membership in a criminal organization. These are serious crimes in which a high imprisonment. It is common for the calls for renewal of detention.

Mathew is now about three months in custody and there is the decision of the magistrate is at least another month. After these 30 days, the suspect again appear in court, which will re-assess whether the extended detention of Mathew. Two other defendants in this case are still in custody. They are just like Mathew suspected of involvement in trafficking and participation in a criminal organization.

In the media reports of a hunger strike by Mathew. But Angela Ann, spokesman for the prosecutor, said that these messages are not based on truth. "He wants to get his food covered in connection with his religion. He is Muslim. "That happened in the first instance is not. "He got his food, like all other prisoners naked." Subsequently, the suspect refused his food. Now Mathew gets his food in prison covered with foil and eats normally.


He likes his girls naked and his food covered.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::



Almost sounds like a bad country song, huh?

I like my food covered, my girls nekkid, and my Budweiser cold! ::MonkeyTongue::

I do believe it is on the B side of Two Marlboros and an Old Chevette was All We Could Get, When Daddy Done Run Off With the Preacher's Wife.

 ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyTongue::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on October 22, 2010, 02:10:27 AM
Wonder why they did away with the K2 vs Dr. Phil lawsuit thread at Refugeesunleashed?  Maybe they have inside information that the suit is dead?  ::rhino:: ::MonkeyDevil::

Dead suit, secret hiney hole, who knows?

         :smt102



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 22, 2010, 02:12:04 AM
http://www.diario.aw/2010/10/fiscal-mayor-y-fiscalnan-nobo-ta-comparti-opinion-di-hueznan-cu-no-ta-corecto-pa-publica-potretnan-di-sospechosonan/

Papiamentu translation:

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fiscal parent y fiscalnan new is comparti opinion by hueznan, cu do not corecto before publica potretnan by sospechosonan

publication: diabierna, 22 october 2010.

categoria: general *nan is attain cu privacidad by the sospechoso have to wordo proteha

oranjestad(aan): recientemente daily paper owing to interview fiscal parent peter blanken y owing to puntre her thought on the mature cu hueznan is prefera before prensa at saca potret at corte by the sospechosonan y publica esakinan. daily paper owing to ask mr. blanken this, mirando cu some time happen hueznan owing to indica cu they do not attain cu is good before prensa publica potret by the sospechosonan.

according the hueznan, publicacion by the potretnan is bay contra privacidad by the sospechosonan, kendenan is wordo considera cliente by corte. corte the hour ey is attain cu the not can permiti for her potretnan here wordo saca before wordo publica.

the hueznan owing to indica cu if one person wordo attain culpable self, still the can bay in various caso by apelacion, then they do not attain cu is corecto before publica they imagen.

daily paper owing to ask fiscal parent tocante this y past owing to give one ehempel dicon the is attain corecto thing the hueznan is say. fiscal parent owing to bisa: “imaginabo cu thou wordo acusa by one crimen y are you wordo deteni, you would like before they saca thou potret ponebo in corant”

“abo would like before police rancabo at thou cabey by such manner cu the fotografo can saca thou potret mihor still before everybody know cu is you?”. past owing to say cu majority person cu attain they self in problem cu husticia do not desea this.

“ami personalmente is attain cu the sospechoso have derecho on privacidad”. “si thou attain thou self in problem cu husticia self, thou have to wordo deal cu respet y thou not mag by wordo throw in one car manner one animal or maltrata before polis”.

this according blanken that owing to follow say cu the is attain cu the sospechosonan have to have the derecho by wordo proteha contra the sacamento by potret. “mi do not compronde cu prensa self do not limita publicacion by the type by cosnan aki”.

this according the fiscal parent, that owing to follow say cu quizas have to come one type by protocol, same cu have at hospital. mirando cu fiscal parent owing to give one ehempel dicon the is attain cu do not good before saca potret by one sospechoso y publica this in corant, daily paper owing to give one ehempel dicon majority person in comunidad if be willing to for her potretnan wordo publica.

daily paper owing to ask blanken for her imagina her self cu the have one child muher y this owing to attain one relacion cu one person acusa y attain culpable by abuse sexual on child. the potret not owing to wordo publica in corant, then the child muher not know cu he here is abusa by child.

after he is comete abuse sexual on the yiunan by the child muher, cu all the consecuencianan cu is come cu this. daily paper owing to say fiscal parent cu if the potretnan owing to wordo publica, the chens will was quite big cu the muher here will not owing to confia he cu her yiunan y till even will not owing to cuminza one relacion cune.

blanken owing to say cu esey is one problem painful berdad y the question is con are you soluciona this. sinembargo the do not attain cu publicacion by the potretnan in corant is the solucion. according blanken, is tarea by gobierno before give more informacion tocante esnan cu is comete abuse sexual on child.

during the interview the fiscalnan new also was present y fiscal boot stempher owing to say cu quite trip in casonan by abuse by younger the part by proof is fastioso. quite trip is word by one person contra word by another person.

have trip is the mam cu is acusa the father owing to base by some criterio y thou not know quite trip kico is behind all this. can is so also cu the person her potret is depart big in corant indicando cu past owing to wordo acusa by owing to comete abuse sexual on child, siendo cu two week after past owing to wordo declara pound.

despite cu past owing to depart pound, her name owing to wordo soil come to anend, door cu her potret y quizas name also owing to wordo publica in corant.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 22, 2010, 02:12:55 AM
Wonder why they did away with the K2 vs Dr. Phil lawsuit thread at Refugeesunleashed?  Maybe they have inside information that the suit is dead?  ::rhino:: ::MonkeyDevil::

Dead suit, secret hiney hole, who knows?

         :smt102


::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 22, 2010, 02:15:01 AM
That Peter Blanken is skeery looking.  Does that shirt and tie together hurt anyone else's eyes.   ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on October 22, 2010, 02:29:00 AM
Wonder why they did away with the K2 vs Dr. Phil lawsuit thread at Refugeesunleashed?  Maybe they have inside information that the suit is dead?  ::rhino:: ::MonkeyDevil::

Dead suit, secret hiney hole, who knows?

         :smt102


::MonkeyHaHa::


 ::MonkeyWink::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on October 22, 2010, 02:31:07 AM
That Peter Blanken is skeery looking.  Does that shirt and tie together hurt anyone else's eyes.   ::MonkeyEek::

I think that tie is made from traffic cones.

 ::MonkeyConfused::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 22, 2010, 02:36:04 AM
That Peter Blanken is skeery looking.  Does that shirt and tie together hurt anyone else's eyes.   ::MonkeyEek::

I think that tie is made from traffic cones.

 ::MonkeyConfused::


It could definitely stop traffic!   ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 22, 2010, 02:47:58 AM
http://www.diario.aw/2010/10/fiscal-vreeling-conociendo-aruba-pa-e-cuminza-atende-cu-e-casonan-di-landsrecherche-y-bizo/

Papiamentu translation:

(http://www.diario.aw/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/fiscalvreeling.jpg)

fiscal vreeling conociendo aruba for her cuminza atende cu the casonan by landsrecherche y bizo

publication: diahuebs, 21 october 2010.

categoria: general

oranjestad (aan): tuesday daily paper during one encuentro owing to interview fiscal new at aruba mr. vreneli vreeling, that have barely 3 week at aruba. first cu past owing to come aruba past owing to work at in bosch before 3 year y mey. first cu esey past owing to haci the opleiding by raio. at present the is bezig is being conoci cu everybody cu the have to conoce, past owing to visit edificio by corte at various occasion y also wardanan by police.diario owing to ask sra vreeling con the proceso owing to bay for her can owing to come work at aruba. past owing to splica cu was have some vacatura y eseynan is worde publica. past owing to reacciona on this, past owing to worde interview y so past owing to succeed attain the function before come aruba. according the fiscal, by cu past owing to arrive aruba, owing to part the carteranan by the fiscalnan before determina in that seccion they're bay is activo. sra vreeling will atende cu landsrecherche y bizo, while cu her distrito is bay is santa cruz.

past owing to visit santa cruz come to anend various trip y bizo also. the fiscal owing to bay kia also before look at con all cos is hinca in another y also at keep by police by beach. mr. provided that overall mr. vreeling same cu the another fiscal new, will remain work at aruba before 3 year.

formerly was so cu after by the 3 añanan the fiscal can owing to ask before one prolongacion, but esey owing to change at present. after by 3 year the have cu bay back the netherlands. daily paper owing to ask the fiscal con is before allow her family behind.

past owing to splica cu afortunadamente her casa y her cacho owing to come aruba cune, but the ultimo two simannan first cu past owing to come aruba was simannan fastioso because the have to owing to cuminza despedi by her family y amigonan.

according the fiscal, so past owing to descubri cu the not likes take farewell. daily paper owing to ask the fiscal if have one caso at the netherlands cu the was part by dje cu before one or another motibo owing to remain in her mind. past owing to say cu one caso cu owing to haci one impresion on dje was one caso in cual one man at zoetermeer did take life by her casa y yiunan.

“den all aspecto the caso here was big y past owing to impactami”, according mr. vreeling. daily paper owing to ask the fiscal kico the is wait for by aruba. past owing to say cu the intencion is before come cu cierto mehoracionnan in cierto part by the maneho.

if cosnan maybe mihor, have to look at if can succeed this. past owing to say cu the is think cu the self will bay learn quite in this. according mr. vleeling, the is believe cu at aruba the is bay have more contacto internacional, compara cu where the was work at the netherlands. past owing to say cu for by this also the will learn quite y the is contento cu esey.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 22, 2010, 02:51:35 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/CarpeN7yyy7y.png)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/StephanyFlores_takentoosoon-1.jpg)

Justice for Natalee and Stephany!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: can on October 22, 2010, 07:57:35 AM

Good morning Monkeys.

Many thanks to the anonymous purchaser of the Kalpoe/Dr. Phil documents!

I relish the moment when the Kalpoe dream of millions will be squashed, as I believe it will be. 
I think of how it will affect them and how precarious their safety might be.
I wonder if it might lead to another close look at their role in the happenings of the night/morning that Natalee lost her life and if they will be held accountable for their actions that night.

Hard nosed, I want it all!  I want justice for Natalee and her loved ones, whose dreams were shattered on May 30, 2005.

I can dream, can't I?






Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: RoxiBalboa on October 22, 2010, 09:25:20 AM
GM Monkeys
I don't 'talk' much but read everything here. I was sure in the beginning that Peru would be the end of Joran. I'm getting nervous and worried. How long ago did they say the 4th judge would rule in a week or two? And still we haven't heard anything? Nothing about the computer search. The only news is how much fun Joran seems to be having in Castro Castro. Makes me sick. I know for sure that Aruba will not do anything ever about what happened to Natalee, but I felt positive there would be justice for Stephany. And what about the supposed revelations in the book that just came out (Joran's Murder Mysteries)? I would think the book's been out long enough to hear what this new information is. And I got too emotional yesterday to type this so I will do it a day late.... Happy Birthday Natalee


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Blue Moon on October 22, 2010, 11:07:30 AM
Just FYI, there is an article in Oct 2010 Glamour mag entitled "What we've never told anyone about Natalee" by Mallie Tucker and Claire Fierman.  I tore the article out of the mag (cause it was in our breakroom) and will read it later today.  I just didn't know if this had brought up on here before.

Have a good day.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 22, 2010, 11:14:03 AM
Just FYI, there is an article in Oct 2010 Glamour mag entitled "What we've never told anyone about Natalee" by Mallie Tucker and Claire Fierman.  I tore the article out of the mag (cause it was in our breakroom) and will read it later today.  I just didn't know if this had brought up on here before.

Have a good day.

Good Morning Blue Moon.

 ::HelloKitty::

Janet
8:15 AM PT

+++++++

“What We’ve Never Told Anyone About Natalee Holloway”

Five years after Natalee Holloway disappeared, two of her closest friends believe they know who’s responsible. But they don’t want you to remember his name; they want you to remember the funny, smart girl they miss so much. A Glamour exclusive.
 
by Sheila Weller


A little more than five years ago, on the last night of a high school graduation trip to Aruba, 18-year-old Natalee Holloway met a lawyer’s son, a handsome 17-year-old named Joran van der Sloot, in a popular cantina, walked out into the moonlight with him—and was never seen again. A tiny girl with long blond hair, Natalee was an exuberant personality but also serious and idealistic: About to enter the University of Alabama on a full scholarship, she hoped to become a doctor. Her disappearance left her best friends from Birmingham’s Mountain Brook High confused, angry and bereft.

From the first day she went missing, her classmates lived through the frustrations of an inconclusive police investigation and the indignities of a media firestorm that made Natalee Holloway a household name. They watched as van der Sloot, the main suspect in the crime, was twice detained by police in connection with the investigation—and twice released without ever being charged.

Then, this past May 30—on precisely the fifth anniversary of Natalee’s disappearance—Peruvian business student Stephany Flores, 21, was murdered in a Lima hotel room, and van der Sloot confessed to the killing. He later recanted but remains jailed in Peru, awaiting trial.

The reappearance of van der Sloot brought up haunting memories for two of Natalee’s best friends, Mallie Tucker, 24, and Claire Fierman, 23. They decided to tell their story exclusively to Glamour, a story that none of Natalee’s circle has told before: about who Natalee really was; what they think of van der Sloot; and how the unresolved loss of their best friend traumatized them for years. I met with them in Mountain Brook, Alabama, the Birmingham suburb where they all grew close and where Mallie’s and Claire’s families still live.

CLAIRE: Natalee moved to Mountain Brook in eighth grade, from tiny Clinton, Mississippi—and she kind of just fell into our group. We all had silly nicknames for each other. I was Party, because for some reason I used to instant-message my friends as PartyGirl600.

MALLIE: I was Tucka Mota, because there was a car dealership in town with my same last name called Tucker Motors, and they had a really funny commercial.

CLAIRE: So Natalee said, “Back in Mississippi, everyone called me Hooty Hoo Holloway.” We later found out she had completely made that up just to fit in! But we called her Hooty. “It’s Hoooo-ty,” she’d say, in a high, silly voice on the phone. I saved her last voice mail until a year ago, when it became just too hard to listen to.

So Hooty Hoo Holloway came to Birmingham, and there was no beating around the bush with that girl. If she had an opinion, she would tell you. Once I asked her to get me a soft drink, and she looked at me like I’d asked her to run a mile. Like: Are you kidding? Get it yourself.

Continued ....

http://www.glamour.com/sex-love-life/2010/09/what-weve-never-told-anyone-about-natalee-holloway


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 22, 2010, 11:27:34 AM
Just FYI, there is an article in Oct 2010 Glamour mag entitled "What we've never told anyone about Natalee" by Mallie Tucker and Claire Fierman.  I tore the article out of the mag (cause it was in our breakroom) and will read it later today.  I just didn't know if this had brought up on here before.

Have a good day.

 ::HelloKitty::


Thanks Blue Moon!  Yes, I'm pretty sure it's this article that was posted a while back.

http://www.glamour.com/sex-love-life/2010/09/what-weve-never-told-anyone-about-natalee-holloway

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8498.0

Have a great Friday!   ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: klaasend on October 22, 2010, 12:00:38 PM
GM Monkeys
I don't 'talk' much but read everything here. I was sure in the beginning that Peru would be the end of Joran. I'm getting nervous and worried. How long ago did they say the 4th judge would rule in a week or two? And still we haven't heard anything? Nothing about the computer search. The only news is how much fun Joran seems to be having in Castro Castro. Makes me sick. I know for sure that Aruba will not do anything ever about what happened to Natalee, but I felt positive there would be justice for Stephany. And what about the supposed revelations in the book that just came out (Joran's Murder Mysteries)? I would think the book's been out long enough to hear what this new information is. And I got too emotional yesterday to type this so I will do it a day late.... Happy Birthday Natalee

I'm not worried.  Joran isn't going anywhere.  Right after the articles about him buying pot in Castro Castro there was an article about him being on suicide watch.  As long as he's in Castro Castro I'm happy because he can't kill anyone else.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 22, 2010, 01:37:45 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_79903.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

Alex Mathew detention extended

October 21, 2010, 13:55 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - Mathew Alexander, owner of Foxy Lady strip club in San Nicolas, still stuck at least 30 days. That the magistrate decided yesterday during a hearing on the extension of his detention.

The Public Prosecutor (OM) wants the suspect in the interest of the study longer. In addition, Mathew suspected of trafficking and membership in a criminal organization. These are serious crimes in which a high imprisonment. It is common for the calls for renewal of detention.

Mathew is now about three months in custody and there is the decision of the magistrate is at least another month. After these 30 days, the suspect again appear in court, which will re-assess whether the extended detention of Mathew. Two other defendants in this case are still in custody. They are just like Mathew suspected of involvement in trafficking and participation in a criminal organization.

In the media reports of a hunger strike by Mathew. But Angela Ann, spokesman for the prosecutor, said that these messages are not based on truth. "He wants to get his food covered in connection with his religion. He is Muslim. "That happened in the first instance is not. "He got his food, like all other prisoners naked." Subsequently, the suspect refused his food. Now Mathew gets his food in prison covered with foil and eats normally.


He likes his girls naked and his food covered.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::



Almost sounds like a bad country song, huh?

I like my food covered, my girls nekkid, and my Budweiser cold! ::MonkeyTongue::

I do believe it is on the B side of Two Marlboros and an Old Chevette was All We Could Get, When Daddy Done Run Off With the Preacher's Wife.

 ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyTongue::


::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 22, 2010, 01:44:44 PM
http://www.arubatoday.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=985&Itemid=1

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Renfro/10202010_ArubaToday_AmandaMorales.jpg)

http://www.arubatoday.com/index.php?option=com_flippingbook&book_id=2

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Renfro/10202010_ArubaToday_10A_AmandaMorales.jpg)

Leave it to Julia to not only take her daughter to the PRESS conference, but also include her in the coverage.

 ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: darleenofalabama on October 22, 2010, 02:04:40 PM
Hello, Y'all!  What's happening?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: klaasend on October 22, 2010, 02:09:47 PM
Hello, Y'all!  What's happening?
Hey Darleen, how are you?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 22, 2010, 02:10:57 PM
Hello, Y'all!  What's happening?

 ::HelloKitty::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: darleenofalabama on October 22, 2010, 02:13:36 PM
I'm OK; how are y'all doing?  Well, I hope!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: klaasend on October 22, 2010, 02:18:23 PM
I'm OK; how are y'all doing?  Well, I hope!

We are all hoping to hear some news about Joran's trial and also hoping that the K2's case against Dr. Phil soon gets thrown out.  Other than that we are keeping our eyes on everyone in Aruba that have spent the last 5+ years making excuses for the monster murderer.  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: darleenofalabama on October 22, 2010, 02:25:45 PM
Well, that case will be thrown out. And, there are no excuses for that multiple murderer; he's a sorry excuse for human life, but everyone knows that.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: darleenofalabama on October 22, 2010, 02:33:09 PM
I went to the home page and looked to see who's signed on right now, and didn't see many names I recognized, but just wanted to introduce myself to y'all.  I'm Darleen, and it's ok to say hi to me whenever I sign on; it's just a rumor that you have to curtsey first--that's not true at all; it's entirely optional. lol As a matter of fact, I don't think anyone actually does it anymore, except Nonesuche.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: klaasend on October 22, 2010, 02:39:16 PM
I went to the home page and looked to see who's signed on right now, and didn't see many names I recognized, but just wanted to introduce myself to y'all.  I'm Darleen, and it's ok to say hi to me whenever I sign on; it's just a rumor that you have to curtsey first--that's not true at all; it's entirely optional. lol As a matter of fact, I don't think anyone actually does it anymore, except Nonesuche.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Most of the current members are following other cases right now.  Zahra Baker in NC and Kyron Horman in Oregon.  Those are the two big newer cases right now.  Both very sad likely bad outcomes.   ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: klaasend on October 22, 2010, 02:41:08 PM
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub8/coolmtiara.gif)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: darleenofalabama on October 22, 2010, 02:41:15 PM
Oh, well; maybe they're a friendlier group than I thought.  I was worried, for a minute, that they might all be democrats or something.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: darleenofalabama on October 22, 2010, 02:42:21 PM
Did you get that pink tiara back from Julia?  It reminds me of the one she stole from me.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: darleenofalabama on October 22, 2010, 02:43:18 PM
You didn't pay ransom for it did you?  Because I don't negotiate with terrorists.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on October 22, 2010, 02:44:19 PM
I went to the home page and looked to see who's signed on right now, and didn't see many names I recognized, but just wanted to introduce myself to y'all.  I'm Darleen, and it's ok to say hi to me whenever I sign on; it's just a rumor that you have to curtsey first--that's not true at all; it's entirely optional. lol As a matter of fact, I don't think anyone actually does it anymore, except Nonesuche.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Most of the current members are following other cases right now.  Zahra Baker in NC and Kyron Horman in Oregon.  Those are the two big newer cases right now.  Both very sad likely bad outcomes.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

Hello, Darleen.

Just wanted to add that some current members may be working, lurking, or at times also in Musings or Football w/Frijole.   ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: darleenofalabama on October 22, 2010, 02:45:47 PM
Hello, 2NJSons!  So, are they Alabama fans, do you think?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: klaasend on October 22, 2010, 02:46:33 PM
You didn't pay ransom for it did you?  Because I don't negotiate with terrorists.

Yes got it back from Bondia actually.  I snatched it from her while she was changing back into her Julia witch outfit. ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: darleenofalabama on October 22, 2010, 02:48:14 PM
Good job!  Have you had it auto-claved?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on October 22, 2010, 02:50:29 PM
Hello, 2NJSons!  So, are they Alabama fans, do you think?

Some may be....I don't keep up in that thread very well.   ::MonkeyFBall::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: klaasend on October 22, 2010, 02:50:53 PM
Totally off topic but guess what Darleen, I'm a grandma!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: klaasend on October 22, 2010, 02:53:20 PM
Good job!  Have you had it auto-claved?

Of course  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 22, 2010, 02:56:17 PM
Hello, Y'all!  What's happening?

 ::HelloKitty::

Beth's spokesperson and good friend claims a special report is forthcoming ... a special report that Beth has been working on with Peter Devries.  I am impatiently anticipating.

Janet

++++++

A Special Report!

Beth Holloway working with Dutch reporter on daughter Natalee Holloway's disappearance, spokeswoman confirms (with videos)
Published: Friday, September 17, 2010, 1:15 PM
Updated: Friday, September 17, 2010, 1:56 PM


Beth Holloway is working on a project with a Dutch television crew, but was not arrested in Peru, contrary to widespread reports, her spokeswoman said today.

"She was not arrested or detained and nothing was taken from her," said Sunny Tillman. "Beth is working with Peter de Vries on a special report. Peter can provide further comment on the content of that report." 

Tillman declined to say further what happened in Peru, but did say Holloway remains out of the United States. The TV report will appear in a few weeks.

De Vries is a high-profile criminal reporter in the Netherlands who made headlines two years ago with his report on the disappearance of Holloway's daughter, Mountain Brook teen Natalee Holloway in Aruba. His report was based on hidden-camera interviews with Joran van der Sloot, who was last seen with the teen before her disappearance on May 30, 2005.

Holloway's lawyer told NBC's "Today" that she entered Castro Castro prison where van der Sloot is being held in the murder of a Peruvian woman "without violating any laws or breaking any regulations" and spoke with the inmate.

Attorney John Q. Kelly said Holloway didn't expect to get answers about Natalee's disappearance but wanted van der Sloot to know "she hasn't gone away."

In Peru, a spokesman for the national penal authority said Holloway's name did not appear in the visitor registry of the prison.

"That woman did not enter the prison," the spokesman, Bruno Guzman, told the Associated Press. He did acknowledge that a group of Dutch journalists visited the prison and interviewed Van der Sloot in early September.

http://blog.al.com/spotnews/2010/09/post_595.html



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: darleenofalabama on October 22, 2010, 02:56:37 PM
Klaasend, CONGRATULATIONS ::MonkeyCheer4:: Will y'all be needing a tiara?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: klaasend on October 22, 2010, 02:57:42 PM
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/autoclave.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: darleenofalabama on October 22, 2010, 02:57:52 PM
Thanks for that update, Janet.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: darleenofalabama on October 22, 2010, 02:58:45 PM
That is an excellent job, Klaasend.  It probably needs to go through a couple of times.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: klaasend on October 22, 2010, 03:03:22 PM
Janet - I believe it's part of a series that Peter deVries is doing and he has the show trailer on his website.  That is the one I copied and put in photobucket.  Click on the link below if you didn't already see it.

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/th_3C346D51_peterrdevries_promo_101020_clip_8215e6ec932.jpg) (http://s118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/?action=view&current=3C346D51_peterrdevries_promo_101020_clip_8215e6ec932.mp4)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: klaasend on October 22, 2010, 03:05:41 PM
O/T

Darleen - are you having any problems with whooping cough at your hospital?  10 infants under 2 months old have died this year from it in California.   ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 22, 2010, 03:08:26 PM
Thanks Klaas.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 22, 2010, 03:11:18 PM
You didn't pay ransom for it did you?  Because I don't negotiate with terrorists.

Yes got it back from Bondia actually.  I snatched it from her while she was changing back into her Julia witch outfit. ::MonkeyCool::
::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: klaasend on October 22, 2010, 03:11:34 PM
Need to run out for a bit, bbl


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 22, 2010, 03:11:50 PM
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/autoclave.jpg)
::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: darleenofalabama on October 22, 2010, 03:15:38 PM
As far as I know, we haven't had any cases of whooping cough; although, a couple of years ago, they asked us all to be vaccinated as it's making a comeback.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 22, 2010, 03:36:04 PM
O/T

Darleen - are you having any problems with whooping cough at your hospital?  10 infants under 2 months old have died this year from it in California.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

 ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: darleenofalabama on October 22, 2010, 03:45:45 PM
They also asked us to be vaccinated for measles, also making a comeback.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: darleenofalabama on October 22, 2010, 03:46:27 PM
Again, that was a couple of years ago, and we've had no cases that I  know of.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: darleenofalabama on October 22, 2010, 03:46:52 PM
Knock on wood.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: darleenofalabama on October 22, 2010, 03:47:56 PM
I also have to run some errands now.  See y'all later--at which time, no bowing and scraping will be expected.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: darleenofalabama on October 22, 2010, 03:50:07 PM
Unless, of course, Nonesuche just wants to.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 22, 2010, 04:19:53 PM
http://www.nieuwslijst.nl/binnenland/joran-s-moordmysteries-ontrafeld-_a1903633.html?l=channel&p=19

Video of interview with the authors of the new book about Joran at link above.

Or Click on picture below to watch in Photobucket:

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Some snapshots from the video:

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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 22, 2010, 06:27:48 PM
WE NEVER STOOD A CHANCE

Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Page 189:
   It's the proverbial, Biblical conflict between good and evil.  It's very, very hard to fight evil because it constantly changes form and you never know who your enemies are.  And evil is always two steps ahead. From the outset we never had a chance.  But we didn't know it


Loving Natalee – Beth Holloway

Page 51:
  As we stand there in the wee hours of Tuesday morning, May 31, 2005, waiting to get a search warrant that is never obtained, the two who were last seen with Natalee offer to us where they dropped her off early yesterday morning.  For the last time we drive back to the Holiday Inn, where Joran and Deepak demonstrate with great detail where they took Natalee, and how she stumbled and bumped her head getting out of the car, describing her over and over as “so drunk.”
 
Joran and Deepak then show me exactly where they dropped Natalee off in front of the hotel entrance, speading their arms in illustration of the area, which is right outside the front entrance of the Holiday Inn lobby.

Page 97:  The black and white footage plays. The video is grainy, but clearly shows the lobby entrance of the Holiday Inn.  I ask them to rewind I and play it again.

Natalee never appears at the hotel where Joran and Deepak so elaborately demonstrated they left her.  She never came back.  She never got out of that car and stumbled and bumped her head like they told me


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: klaasend on October 22, 2010, 06:43:49 PM
Wow, thanks TM!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Magnolia on October 22, 2010, 06:54:41 PM
So CapslockWizard is dealing Russian Oil and Cuban Sugar and Molasses??? ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 22, 2010, 07:27:26 PM
Rudolf H. Vrolijk aka CapsLockWizard

Kermit
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #832 4/22/10 - 6/2/10
« Reply #736 on: May 17, 2010, 04:14:27 PM »


From: capslockwizard@hotmail.com
To: daveholloway@xxxxxx
Subject: RE: Nathalee possible buried place
Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 15:18:15 -0500

Hi Dave,
 
To get Natalee Body you have to come to Aruba and arrange for some large Pumps that can drain a small pond. It has an odd shape.
 
I have decipher the Shango Riddle and the outcome of the Riddle points out the cover-up and also where the body was deposit in Aruba.
 
Babalú Says: June 27th, 2005 at 12:30 am ******* NAT STORY *******

Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 8:11 pm

One straight path (Make a Straight Line to the house of Rave, (Night Club Spice – Now Closed)

while of gold bricks ( The Bank – Go to The Bank, there is two banks, The Aruba Bank and Carribean Bank)

the road is not paved, (Go on the dirt road, This only is is accessible via the Aruba Bank)

answers mysterious lie within

magical letters which spell sin

XTC DNA (Pharmacy) (Natalee body was deposit  behind the pharmacy in Noord and it is call the Monserat Body of water)
 
Load this attached Google earth File to see the place.

See my Google Earth Map points to see where the Shango is pointing to. My Report is also pointing the the same place. I did send my report to FBI in Brimingham Field office. but they have done noting to it.

My Report come with the same conclusion based on facts and conditions that have to be met so that the question is solid 'True' in a truth condition.
 
The Sloot's error was 'The Time' first he said that he pickup Joran at 4:00 am at Mcdonald and then switch back to 11:00 pm. An Event can not be in the Future and also In The Past. This will create a time paradox and where there is time paradox one have to lie to cover it up. The Other paradox is the 'sneaker' You can not be without sneaker at 4:00 am while he says he left it on the beach.
 
I did write my Report use the 'AND Logic' theory to test one simple string of connected AND events question. The question string
 
'Where would he hide a dead body So that nobody will find it And  Not been seen And  At the same time lose one of his shoes And Then walk on one shoe to Mc Donald’s And Where His Dad pick him up at 4:00 am'

Dave, The Shango report also show a cover-up that is at the heart of The Dutch Court System. I will be difficult to start proceedings without a plan. I will be capslocwizard for now even though my report has my real name on it. I want leave it confidential for now.
 
Yours Truly,
 
CAPSLOCKWIZARD.

+++++++
 
 
Extract from my report

Test 3:   The murky Pool of Monserat. – Behind the Soccer field.
This area is possible because it is behind the soccer field of Deportivo Nacional.  It is accessible from the soccer field. This area is dark. Also you are not on the main road with a dead body. But not too far from home either but closer to Mc Donald’s.

If they decided after running around to dump the body into murky pool of Monesrat, they could have done the following:

a)   Look if anyone can see us
b)   Carry the body to the area
c)    Lift the body (extra Weight)
d)   Move into the water edges
e)   Feet will sink
f)    Drop the body in the water
g)   Try to pull feet out of the water
h)   Joran loses a sneaker
i)    Going separate ways from the dumping scene to create different alibi.

RESULTS:

Examining points a,b,c,d,e,f,g,h,i all is plausible. (True condition)

Point (a) nobody will see you when go over there it is quite secluded and dark.

Point (b) it is right there no even 5 meters from where you park your car

Point (c) will give you extra weight

Point (d) if you want to make sure nobody will ever find the body; you have to walk deeper into the water.

Point (e) the extra weight and the action of going deeper into the water   will make sure that your feet will sink into the mud.

Points (f) drop her into the deep end and nobody will find her because nobody is going to look for her over there.

Point (g) the process of the going into the deep end, Joran feet get stuck into the mud.

Point (h) by the simple action to turn around to walk back out of the water he lost his shoes.

Point (j) when they split up, their action leaves Joran walking toward his father who is at the Radisson Casino. He could not have walk back home because it is too far. And walking back means crossing the Noord Police station. The distance from the soccer field to Mcdonlad;s is only 15 min walking.

He just committed a crime and his instinct will not let him do this. So he decided to call his dad and started to walk without his sneakers towards him. His dad walks out of the casino, jumps into his car and at the traffic light is where he saw Joran walking near the McDonalds around 4:00 a.m. with a shoe missing. From there they drove home.

The Kalpoe’s brothers at the spilt up, Went behind the Racquet Club and sit and wonder what they just did. It is here that other witnesses say that they saw his car parked near the area.

If they did not split up, they could have drove Joran back home.

Option 2- Hide the body in a temporary place, then to get rid of the body on May 31, 2005 around 2:30 am with the following conditions: Kalpoe’s car left behind at Joran’s home and Joran car now with the dead body in it.

Option -2 Will leaves Joran always with a car and never at foot to walk alone to McDonald’s. And the date is May, 31, 2005

Test case Observation:

All 3 test cases show the possible places that can be use to dispose of a body.
Test 1 was invalided due to he could always walk home after they separate to create different alibi.

Test 2 was Invalided due to he could have walk across the street to the Radisson hotel parking lot and there he would have been waiting for his father after they separate to create different alibi.

Test 3 shows clearly where he was coming from and where his dad picks him up. It shows also that the area in question is dark were no body can see you. The water over there is muddy where one can lose a shoe. Also it forms a clear walking path toward the Mc Donald’s or to the Radisson Casino.

All three Test show also that if they did not went their separate ways they could have driven Joran back Home where he could have put on another shoe.

The action to go separate way has forced them to create all kinds of semi true stories that looks plausible but if the Investigators have spend the time to look the practice on what normal people do when they want to have a quickie they would have seen that their stories cannot be true.

Other observation is that since they created so many stories to hide the place from being find is because that they could not retrieved the body from that area. So I believe that the body is still in the water pond of Monserat.

Other observation is that on May 31, 2005 the Sloot’s went back to make sure that the body cannot be found. If option – 2 was chosen from the beginning, this would Joran always with his car and no need to walk.

Other observation is that they could not have use Joran’s car to go to the Whitehouse because it is an open Jeep. There is no way to hide more people in the car.

Conclusion and My Opinion

To deviate from the true crime area they made all plausible, but not so true stories.

With Google Earth I was able to pin-point the possible location where Joran could have lost a shoe and also how far it is from the Whitehouse apartment, how far it is from his house if he needed to walk back and also keeping an eye on the time to do the job.

The story about dumping the body on the beach cannot be true because you have already a dead body on your hand and you cannot do that. The chance to be seen with a dead body is too high and risky.

Finding someone to help you to dump it in the ocean means more people involved and the chance to be snitch on will increase and the chance to be seen by the coast guard is too high. Also the body will float back if not tied down on the bottom floor of the sea. This requires a more depth knowledge of buoyancy and understanding of the ocean currents of Aruba and knowing that when the wind turn even sunken boats come back to shore. So this is not possible.

The talk about putting the body in a crab cage is also flaws. In Aruba they do not use these big cages and their fishing techniques are with lines and rods.
Dumping the body in a landfill is possible and there is only one open land fill in the vicinity of Joran’s home. Plausible? yes but loosing the shoe there is also plausible but then you are left walking bare feet on metals, Cactus, boxes, broken glasses and God knows what, etc. Try to go to a land fill with just slippers and you can see that it is very difficult to walk on debris of rubbish and in the dark more it will be very difficult. Sniffing dog would have found her already. Note: a dog cannot sniff in waters.
 
Other issue is that he could not have been driving on the main roads because the chance to be stop by cops in those hours of the morning is quite possible. One Instinct will be to drive on the back roads.
 
Conclusion:
 
It the girl died on them, the only logic solution was for them to call the police and explain to the police that she died on them while partying but no… They decided to dispose of the body. After all what has happened, Joran’s dad advice was to dispose of the body. And knowing that his dad is a Judge, Joran would have follows the dad’s advice knowingly all the implication that will come from his careless actions.
 
Joran would have asked his Dad for advice and I do believe the wrong advice was given to protect the son that was going to study in the Netherlands.
 
Where to look for the Body:
 
The only way the body can be found is to search for the shoes round the edges for the murky pools of Monserat in Aruba, and when the sneaker is found, the body will be there also. Drain this body of water and see what is in there
 
Need some someting to validate this statement (The Shango Riddle decypher code).
 
The Dad statement:
 
The reason they got away is that there is not a body to link with the presumed crime case. The father of Joran stated clearly that if there is NOT A BODY there will be NO CASE.
 
And so, to make the above statement true, the perps must have to make sure that the body cannot be found, They created fictional stories to cover their track, but they forgot one thing, a Body will be decompose slowly in mud and it will be found with time.
 
How did they could accomplish that on May 31, 2005
 
Note:            02.  ALBERTO GROENEVELD AND CLAUDIO ELDRIDGE – DEEPAK'S VEHICLE

At 2:30 AM on the morning of May 31, 2005 .... Alberto Groeneveld and Claudio Eldrige observed Deepak Kalpoe's vehicle inside the fence of the Van der Sloot property.  These men told Natalee’s family that they climbed the fence and recording the tag (license) number.

We know that Alberto and Claudio were supposed to be with Beth/Jug and Charles Croes trying to locate Joran in the early morning hours of 5/31.  That's when they supposidly saw the Kalpoe car there.
Assume that they decide on that date, the 31st of May to make sure that nobody will find the body. They must have gone back to the dumping area in the night. This action will account for the time that Joran and Kalpoe was missing on the 31st of May where Kalpoe left his car at Joran’s home.
 
This is plausible since they have to do it at night to double check that the area where they dumped the body is the perfect area and to make sure the body did not come back to float.
 
What this time tells us is that since it is almost the same time as of the may 30 and nobody has seen anything; they decided to use the same time again to go to the area to double check on the body.
 
Other factor to count that late hour is that in the day time they cannot go to the area because the chances to be seen near the field while the field being is used and the area is occupied with traffic will expose them and is risky.
 
On the date may 31 around 2:30 or time, they either make it sure she is secured in the deep end or to pick her up and to be buried some other place.
 
Looking at the place, I do not think they are going to pick her up in the night either. You need scuba equipment to do it and light, it is plausible, but to secure it, it’s more likely, to put more debris on top of the body in the water where she was dumped.

My Note: That area is full of these big black Ants called Bashaka in Papiamento. I went to see it for myself and it is plausible that the Kalpoe’s contaminated his car with Ants from that area.
Note:        05.  NEIGHBOUR - WASHING/CLEANING DEEPAK'S VEHICLE

Shortly after 3:00 AM on the morning of May 31, 2005 Deepak Kalpoe was observed by a neighbor cleaning his vehicle.  'Ants' were the reason given by Deepak.

My Note: The question which was asked “if Joran got help from kalpoe” and the answer is YES, The area is full of Ants and he also must has got mud in the car on May 31, 2005.

What Next for 2008:
Ask Aruba to search the edged of the murky water reservoirs of Monserat or pump the water out and where you find the sneakers in the mud, you will also find the body of Natalee.
 
For what I have observed about this body of water, it is plausible that the body is still in the body of water. The water is so murky and still water. It has a deep end with a ridge in the middle of the pond that will prevent the body to move out.
 
Also note that the lines of events make a straight line to and from his house. And that is the most likely route because he was familiar with the area.
 
When someone is scare or in panic, you do not go to the hotels with a dead body. Nature instinct will say let’s go and get help and the advice he got (from his father who is a Judge) was to dispose of the body and he (the father) will take care of the legal ramification.
 
 Please review and let me know what you think of this research.
This report is send to the following persons and authorities:
 
A)   Beth Twitty. – The FBI should forward it to Beth Twitty
B)   The FBI Special Agent Carmen S. Adams – Birmingham@ic.fbi.gov
 
About Me:
Name: Rudolf H. Vrolijk
Address: Shiribana 6, Aruba
Email: Vrolijkr@hotmail.com
Email: capslockwizard@hotmail.com
Phone: 297-746-7000

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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: MuffyBee on October 22, 2010, 07:43:24 PM
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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 22, 2010, 07:47:45 PM
So CapslockWizard is dealing Russian Oil and Cuban Sugar and Molasses??? ::MonkeyShocked::

Probably just a lot more BS, everything about that guy seems to end up that way.   

JMO 



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: darleenofalabama on October 22, 2010, 09:10:24 PM
Where is Nonesuche?  Is she banned? ::MonkeyDevil:: (I was going to use that cute pig picture, but I knew she'd just come in here and put a tiara on it. lol)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: klaasend on October 22, 2010, 10:01:43 PM
Where is Nonesuche?  Is she banned? ::MonkeyDevil:: (I was going to use that cute pig picture, but I knew she'd just come in here and put a tiara on it. lol)

Check for her in the football thread tomorrow. She's been busy but usually stops by there on game day  ::MonkeyCool::

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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: darleenofalabama on October 22, 2010, 11:01:17 PM
Thanks, Klaasend!  I know her boy abandoned the team, but I hope she's proud of The Crimson Tide!  Just think what we could do if they'd scheduled our boys some rest days like they did the rest of the SEC!   ::MonkeyCheer4:: (Y'all might want to rethink those pom pom colors; crimson and white would be nice.)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 22, 2010, 11:11:21 PM
TEXAS RANGERS are in the WORLD SERIES for the first time in history! 

 ::MonkeyDance::  ::monkeymargarita:: ::MonkeyDance::  ::monkeymargarita::::MonkeyDance::  ::monkeymargarita::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 22, 2010, 11:14:44 PM
Congratulations Texas Ranger fans.

Thanks San!    ::MonkeyKiss:: ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: San on October 22, 2010, 11:21:48 PM
Congratulations Texas Ranger fans.

Thanks San!    ::MonkeyKiss:: ::MonkeyCool::

They really deserved to win.  They were the better team.  That relief pitcher was throwing heat (100 MPH).


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 22, 2010, 11:35:42 PM
Congratulations Texas Ranger fans.

Thanks San!    ::MonkeyKiss:: ::MonkeyCool::

They really deserved to win.  They were the better team.  That relief pitcher was throwing heat (100 MPH).

 ::CowboySmiley::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: darleenofalabama on October 23, 2010, 12:33:46 AM
I'll congratulate the Texas Rangers, too!  There are lots of tiaras in Texas!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on October 23, 2010, 12:54:29 AM
Want a Dutch Passport? It Just Got Harder…
 (October 23, 2010)

Across the globe, countries are making it more difficult for immigrants to qualify for legal residence and citizenship.

The trend is especially prevalent in Europe, fueled by an economic crisis that shows no sign of relenting.  Immigrants are easy targets for politicians looking for scapegoats.  Right-wing parties in Austria, France, Hungary, Italy, and Spain have enjoyed renewed popularity by blaming immigrants for soaring welfare expenses and crime.

The Netherlands is the latest European nation to make legal residence and (especially) citizenship harder to obtain.  The law still requires five years continuous legal residence, good conduct, and substantial integration into the community to qualify for citizenship.  But beginning Jan. 1, 2011, you’ll also need to demonstrate fluency in the difficult Dutch language to obtain citizenship and a Dutch passport.

This change is especially relevant to residents of Dutch overseas territories in the Caribbean.  While Dutch is the official language of government in these islands, most residents don’t speak this language in everyday life.  On the “SSS islands” (Saba, Saint Eustatius, and Saint Maarten) the predominant language is English.  On the “ABC islands” (Aruba, Bonaire, and Curaçao), most residents speak a local language called Papiamento.

While the nationality law essentially remains the same, the Dutch government now interprets it much more stringently in terms of language.  The requirement in question is the issue of “substantial integration.”  Therefore, beginning in 2011, residents of the ABC islands seeking Dutch citizenship will in addition to proving fluency in Papiamento also have a good command of Dutch.  In the SSS islands, the citizenship test will only be administered in Dutch, rather than in English or Dutch.

MORE...

http://nestmann.sovereignsociety.com/2010/10/23/want-a-dutch-passport-it-just-got-harder/


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on October 23, 2010, 12:55:27 AM
Congratulations Texas Ranger fans.

Thanks San!    ::MonkeyKiss:: ::MonkeyCool::

They really deserved to win.  They were the better team.  That relief pitcher was throwing heat (100 MPH).

OT, cont'd....I agree....we watched the game in town....sad to see the Yanks go sour...but the Texas team was better, by far.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on October 23, 2010, 01:06:01 AM
Volunteer at AHATA’s Beach and Coastal Clean Up, Nov. 13

For just one morning during the year, you can make a big difference to your island. Participate and become a volunteer in the only official National Beach and Coastal Cleanup at November 13, from 8:00 am until 11:30 am.

The coast/coves we will be cleaning are Havana Beach through Wilhelmina Park, Parke Arikok, California Dunes, Wariruri, Baby Beach/Nanky Country Club, Bachelors Beach, Boca Grandi, Zeewijk Beach, Mangel Halto, Santo Largo, between Bushiri Beach and Tamarijn Beach, Arashi, Anaboei, Bird Sanctuary.

MORE...

http://www.aruba.com/news/happenings/volunteer-at-ahatas-beach-and-coastal-clean-up-nov-13/


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: wreck on October 23, 2010, 08:45:41 AM
Congratulations Texas Ranger fans.
Thank-you San!!! The Rangers had won only 1 playoff game in their 50 year franchise history until this year. We are stoked!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on October 23, 2010, 10:34:01 AM
So CapslockWizard is dealing Russian Oil and Cuban Sugar and Molasses??? ::MonkeyShocked::

BBM

That part is not new.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on October 23, 2010, 10:36:57 AM
Congratulations Texas Ranger fans.

They played a good game.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on October 23, 2010, 10:37:46 AM
TEXAS RANGERS are in the WORLD SERIES for the first time in history! 

 ::MonkeyDance::  ::monkeymargarita:: ::MonkeyDance::  ::monkeymargarita::::MonkeyDance::  ::monkeymargarita::

I love seeing history.

 ::CowboySmiley::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on October 23, 2010, 12:07:58 PM
Congratulations Texas Ranger fans.
Thank-you San!!! The Rangers had won only 1 playoff game in their 50 year franchise history until this year. We are stoked!!

They were the better team. Congratulations!    ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on October 23, 2010, 12:46:33 PM
 ::CowboySmiley::

(http://www.bucuticam.com/album2/Images/295.zoom1.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 23, 2010, 01:39:49 PM
If Deepak and Satish revealed in depositions the truth regarding the events encompassing the morning of May 30, 2005 ... revealed the truth regarding those who were participants ... the lottery anticipated as an outcome from the defamation lawsuit will be a non issue and ... the threat and the fear which Natalee's parents refer to in their respective books will become a reality.

Have a good Saturday Monkeys!

Janet
10:40 PM PT

++++++++

The Threat

Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Page 197:
There is apparently no amount of money in the world that can get us the answer to what happened to Natalee. When I asked an Aruban attorney about this, his response was chilling: “The threat is bigger than the money,” he says. The Threat. That dark influence. The evil that nothing and no one can pierce.


Corruption in Paradise - Dave Holloway

Page 117:
I also find it hard to believe that with all of the press that Natalee’s disapppearance has attracted, there is not one person anywhere who knows what happened to her. I can only surmise that those who do know something are too afraid to come forward. Maybe there would be a price to pay if they tell, a price so high and so threatening that not even the $1,000,000 reward money is enough of an enticement for someone to bring us the truth.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 23, 2010, 05:06:19 PM
http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=5002&offId=0

Papiamentu translation:

32 minuut happen | fecha: 23/10/2010 | horario: 16:29

tourist americano cu have to owing to trip today, abordando her plane y owing to become quite bad

saturday afternoon owing to come into informe by cu one tourist americano cu have to trip today before merca owing to become bad, at once owing to dirigi ambulance before airport. at arrival by the personal by ambulance they owing to bay atende the pasajero cu was in plane come to anend but owing to become bad y owing to haye is remain behind before atencion medico. mirando the victima her situation owing to rekeri before hibe hospital cu urgencia locual owing to sosode also.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: San on October 23, 2010, 07:52:12 PM
test


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: MuffyBee on October 23, 2010, 07:53:43 PM
test

True or False?  Multiple choice?   ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: San on October 23, 2010, 07:58:52 PM
test

True or False?  Multiple choice?   ::MonkeyWink::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on October 23, 2010, 08:49:56 PM
Joran feels guilty about his father's death
Saturday, October 23, 2010 20:14
 
Joran Van der Sloot, broke his silence. In an interview given to the foreign press, the Dutch prison in the Miguel Castro Castro prison, said he confessed his crime against Stephany Flores because she promised that it would return to Aruba.

"They showed me a paper that said I would return to Aruba. Put an alleged lawyer ... so I did, "said the Dutchman.

In another time and his family, Joran remembered his father and his death. "I felt bad, it's almost responsible for his death. I feel that my family has been through a lot over the past 5 years and I think a lot of that is my fault. My dad could not even become a judge and had to be a lawyer. I feel like I did many things that hurt my family and I feel responsible for that. "

As your mother has said she would not come to Peru to visit. "It's a wise decision. I do not want to visit me, "he added. On his future, the Dutchman said he will be in Peru only 2 or 3 years.

The full interview where he talks about Stephany Flores and his conscience will be broadcast tomorrow Report. (Source: trome.pe)

http://perudc.com/component/content/article/42-noticias-peru/6322-joran-se-siente-culpable-por-muerte-de-su-padre.html


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on October 23, 2010, 08:54:15 PM
(With Parts of the New Video of him )

Joran apologized to his family
In an interview given to a foreign brand, the Dutch said he feels guilty about the death of his father.

(Panamericana TV)


Joran Van der Sloot, broke his silence. In an interview given to the foreign press, the Dutch prison in the Miguel Castro Castro prison, said he confessed his crime against Stephany Flores because she promised that it would return to Aruba.

"They showed me a paper that said I would return to Aruba. Put an alleged lawyer ... so I did, "said the Dutchman.

In another time and his family, Joran remembered his father and his death. "I felt bad, it's almost responsible for his death. I feel that my family has been through a lot over the past 5 years and I think a lot of that is my fault. My dad could not even become a judge and had to be a lawyer. I feel like I did many things that hurt my family and I feel responsible for that. "

As your mother has said she would not come to Peru to visit. "It's a wise decision. I do not want to visit me, "he added. On his future, the Dutchman said he will be in Peru only 2 or 3 years.

The full interview where he talks about Stephany Flores and his conscience will be broadcast tomorrow Report.

http://trome.pe/noticia/658260/van-der-sloot-siente-culpa-muerte-su-padre


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on October 23, 2010, 08:57:46 PM
In the video he is speaking in English so I wonder which news agency paid his fee for appearance this time?  Guess his money is running out from the last interview.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on October 23, 2010, 09:01:01 PM
In the video he is speaking in English so I wonder which news agency paid his fee for appearance this time?  Guess his money is running out from the last interview.

The dirtbag needs his dope money. 

Thank you, Northern Rose! 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: klaasend on October 23, 2010, 09:04:51 PM
(With Parts of the New Video of him )

Joran apologized to his family
In an interview given to a foreign brand, the Dutch said he feels guilty about the death of his father.

(Panamericana TV)


Joran Van der Sloot, broke his silence. In an interview given to the foreign press, the Dutch prison in the Miguel Castro Castro prison, said he confessed his crime against Stephany Flores because she promised that it would return to Aruba.

"They showed me a paper that said I would return to Aruba. Put an alleged lawyer ... so I did, "said the Dutchman.

In another time and his family, Joran remembered his father and his death. "I felt bad, it's almost responsible for his death. I feel that my family has been through a lot over the past 5 years and I think a lot of that is my fault. My dad could not even become a judge and had to be a lawyer. I feel like I did many things that hurt my family and I feel responsible for that. "

As your mother has said she would not come to Peru to visit. "It's a wise decision. I do not want to visit me, "he added. On his future, the Dutchman said he will be in Peru only 2 or 3 years.

The full interview where he talks about Stephany Flores and his conscience will be broadcast tomorrow Report.

http://trome.pe/noticia/658260/van-der-sloot-siente-culpa-muerte-su-padre

Yeah we already saw this.  This interview was right before Beth and Peter showed up.  A few days or a week or so before:



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Northern Rose on October 23, 2010, 09:11:00 PM
(With Parts of the New Video of him )

Joran apologized to his family
In an interview given to a foreign brand, the Dutch said he feels guilty about the death of his father.

(Panamericana TV)


Joran Van der Sloot, broke his silence. In an interview given to the foreign press, the Dutch prison in the Miguel Castro Castro prison, said he confessed his crime against Stephany Flores because she promised that it would return to Aruba.

"They showed me a paper that said I would return to Aruba. Put an alleged lawyer ... so I did, "said the Dutchman.

In another time and his family, Joran remembered his father and his death. "I felt bad, it's almost responsible for his death. I feel that my family has been through a lot over the past 5 years and I think a lot of that is my fault. My dad could not even become a judge and had to be a lawyer. I feel like I did many things that hurt my family and I feel responsible for that. "

As your mother has said she would not come to Peru to visit. "It's a wise decision. I do not want to visit me, "he added. On his future, the Dutchman said he will be in Peru only 2 or 3 years.

The full interview where he talks about Stephany Flores and his conscience will be broadcast tomorrow Report.

http://trome.pe/noticia/658260/van-der-sloot-siente-culpa-muerte-su-padre

Yeah we already saw this.  This interview was right before Beth and Peter showed up.  A few days or a week or so before:

<object width="450" height="253"><param name="movie" value="http://trome.pe/player/658260"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><param name="quality" value="high" /><embed src="http://trome.pe/player/658260" width="450" height="253" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" quality="high" ></embed></object>

I didn't realize it was the same interview.  Wonder why it took this long for the Peru press to touch it?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: klaasend on October 23, 2010, 09:41:14 PM
Northern - could be they are splicing interviews together to make a show?  Not sure.  But that is the guy who interviewed him and wrote the book that just came out.  So maybe because of the book coming out?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on October 23, 2010, 09:48:37 PM
Northern - could be they are splicing interviews together to make a show?  Not sure.  But that is the guy who interviewed him and wrote the book that just came out.  So maybe because of the book coming out?

Good thought, Klaas.  Maybe it was part of the promotional package...interview/book, etc. 

I didn't realize it was the same interview, either.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on October 23, 2010, 09:51:03 PM
(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/MOD/modlock4.gif)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 23, 2010, 11:32:23 PM
"Tragedy creates an opportunity to make a difference."
Beth Holloway


Mother of missing student in Aruba creates missing persons resource center at DC museum
By Associated Press
10:04 AM CDT, May 28, 2010


WASHINGTON (AP) — The mother of an Alabama teen who disappeared five years ago in Aruba is opening a resource center to help families of missing persons.

Beth Holloway has created the Natalee Holloway Resource Center, named for her daughter who went missing during a high school graduation trip to the Caribbean island. The center will be based at the National Museum of Crime & Punishment in downtown Washington.

The nonprofit center aims to provide families with an action plan, examples of missing person posters, contacts, media liaisons and other services to guide families during crises. Officials also say they will provide educational programs on safe traveling and crime prevention and encourage careers in forensic science and law enforcement.

http://www.whnt.com/news/sns-ap-dc--missingpersonscenter,0,5675542.story


The Natalee Holloway Resource Center (NHRC)http://www.crimemuseum.org/NHRC




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: darleenofalabama on October 24, 2010, 01:17:23 AM
That psychotic murdering nutcase is as delusional as ever; there's no way he's leaving Peru, or that prison, after two or three years. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on October 24, 2010, 02:04:49 AM
test

I didn't study!

 ::MonkeyShocked::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on October 24, 2010, 02:12:25 AM
Joran feels guilty about his father's death
Saturday, October 23, 2010 20:14
 
Joran Van der Sloot, broke his silence. In an interview given to the foreign press, the Dutch prison in the Miguel Castro Castro prison, said he confessed his crime against Stephany Flores because she promised that it would return to Aruba.

"They showed me a paper that said I would return to Aruba. Put an alleged lawyer ... so I did, "said the Dutchman.

In another time and his family, Joran remembered his father and his death. "I felt bad, it's almost responsible for his death. I feel that my family has been through a lot over the past 5 years and I think a lot of that is my fault. My dad could not even become a judge and had to be a lawyer. I feel like I did many things that hurt my family and I feel responsible for that. "

As your mother has said she would not come to Peru to visit. "It's a wise decision. I do not want to visit me, "he added. On his future, the Dutchman said he will be in Peru only 2 or 3 years.

The full interview where he talks about Stephany Flores and his conscience will be broadcast tomorrow Report. (Source: trome.pe)

http://perudc.com/component/content/article/42-noticias-peru/6322-joran-se-siente-culpable-por-muerte-de-su-padre.html

The grief he has caused his family goes back more than 5 years.

He must mean he will be in Peru 20 or 30 years.

Joran, your Mom is not visiting you because she is in Aruba living it up and attending every affair that comes her way.  She is finally free from worry about you, you are locked away and cannot hurt any more women, including her.  It appears that a giant weight (or two) has been lifted off of her shoulders.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on October 24, 2010, 02:20:25 AM
Hi Bearly!!  ::HelloKitty::

I don't know............ Joran's prediction about 2-3 years may prove accurate. I think he may well be dead by then.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on October 24, 2010, 02:23:18 AM
(With Parts of the New Video of him )

Joran apologized to his family
In an interview given to a foreign brand, the Dutch said he feels guilty about the death of his father.

(Panamericana TV)


Joran Van der Sloot, broke his silence. In an interview given to the foreign press, the Dutch prison in the Miguel Castro Castro prison, said he confessed his crime against Stephany Flores because she promised that it would return to Aruba.

"They showed me a paper that said I would return to Aruba. Put an alleged lawyer ... so I did, "said the Dutchman.

In another time and his family, Joran remembered his father and his death. "I felt bad, it's almost responsible for his death. I feel that my family has been through a lot over the past 5 years and I think a lot of that is my fault. My dad could not even become a judge and had to be a lawyer. I feel like I did many things that hurt my family and I feel responsible for that. "

As your mother has said she would not come to Peru to visit. "It's a wise decision. I do not want to visit me, "he added. On his future, the Dutchman said he will be in Peru only 2 or 3 years.

The full interview where he talks about Stephany Flores and his conscience will be broadcast tomorrow Report.

http://trome.pe/noticia/658260/van-der-sloot-siente-culpa-muerte-su-padre

So, he confessed to go back to Aruba and get another 'Get Out of Jail Free' card. 

The real reason he confessed is because he killed Stephany.  Joran does not take responsibility for himself and lies to get out of things.  If he finally took responsibility for something, he did it.  He lies to get out of things, not to get in trouble.

I am not buying it, not for a millisecond.  He did it, he knows he did it, and anyone who has learned about him and his lifestyle over the past several years knows he did it.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on October 24, 2010, 02:30:22 AM
"Tragedy creates an opportunity to make a difference."
Beth Holloway


Mother of missing student in Aruba creates missing persons resource center at DC museum
By Associated Press
10:04 AM CDT, May 28, 2010


WASHINGTON (AP) — The mother of an Alabama teen who disappeared five years ago in Aruba is opening a resource center to help families of missing persons.

Beth Holloway has created the Natalee Holloway Resource Center, named for her daughter who went missing during a high school graduation trip to the Caribbean island. The center will be based at the National Museum of Crime & Punishment in downtown Washington.

The nonprofit center aims to provide families with an action plan, examples of missing person posters, contacts, media liaisons and other services to guide families during crises. Officials also say they will provide educational programs on safe traveling and crime prevention and encourage careers in forensic science and law enforcement.

http://www.whnt.com/news/sns-ap-dc--missingpersonscenter,0,5675542.story


The Natalee Holloway Resource Center (NHRC)http://www.crimemuseum.org/NHRC




Natalee must be so proud of her Mom, I know she is whispering in Beth's ear through it all.  The world would have understood if Beth went to bed and pulled the covers over her head for the last 5+ years.  But, she didn't, she gets up every day and makes a difference in our world, a difference in the name of Natalee Holloway, her beloved daughter.  You go, Beth!  Keep by your Mom's side, Nat, and direct her to the ones who need her most.

Love can move mountains!

 ::MonkeyHeart:: ::MonkeyHeart::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on October 24, 2010, 02:32:55 AM
That psychotic murdering nutcase is as delusional as ever; there's no way he's leaving Peru, or that prison, after two or three years. 

He might be right, darleen.  He may be leaving then in a body bad.  This may be the first time he has told the truth.

 :smt117



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on October 24, 2010, 02:35:02 AM
Hi Bearly!!  ::HelloKitty::

I don't know............ Joran's prediction about 2-3 years may prove accurate. I think he may well be dead by then.

Haha!  Great minds and all that.  Did you see my post?

 ::MonkeyShovel::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: wreck on October 24, 2010, 02:59:26 AM
Hi Bearly!!  ::HelloKitty::

I don't know............ Joran's prediction about 2-3 years may prove accurate. I think he may well be dead by then.

Haha!  Great minds and all that.  Did you see my post?

 ::MonkeyShovel::


You are absolutely right! Whether it be the guards, the other prisoners or the Peruvian government -- they are NOT going to be embarassed because they are "too soft". Joran is "deadman walking". Joran won't last "2-3 years".


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on October 24, 2010, 09:18:22 AM
I never thought he would last this long......


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on October 24, 2010, 10:26:03 AM
(http://www.bucuticam.com/album2/Images/296.zoom1.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 24, 2010, 10:36:09 AM
(http://www.bucuticam.com/album2/Images/296.zoom1.jpg)
::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 24, 2010, 10:43:57 AM
I think this is a warning for parents to keep a close eye on their children because of a man driving around trying to pick children up?

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=5003&offId=0&offDate=2010-10

Papiamentu translation:

13 hora happen | fecha: 23/10/2010 | horario: 20:49

call by alerta before all parents, hang on to good view on your yiunan, have person cu less good intencion is move rond

saturday before more or less 19:45 at altitude by cheng supermarket at bubali one man color cla more or less 1.70 m come across, dress cu jeans licht blauw t-shirt ash licht among 40 before 45 year owing to try be called two child diminutive by 3 with 4 before bay close dje. the was cu coin in her hand y the was. say the children before bay close dje cu is amigo the is. after the person here owing to desaparece. by yesterday before today also is circulando one message by one vehiculo chevrolet aveo cora cu is haciendo the same attempt here. look at your yiunan good. this do not one rumor ela happen by berdad cu person conosi before her seriedad in trabao y all hour.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 24, 2010, 11:12:54 AM
test

True or False?  Multiple choice?   ::MonkeyWink::

 ::rhino::

My favorite type of tests.

"Eeny, meeny, miny, moe"

Good Morning Monkeys.

Janet
8:15 AM PM

 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Kat_Gram on October 24, 2010, 11:32:37 AM
test
You passed !


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 24, 2010, 11:50:10 AM
I never thought he would last this long......

Nut

Since Joran's arrest ... I have been in communication by email with a young pastor of a Peruvian community church that our church helps support through prayers and finances.  He infomed me that at all levels of the Peru's administration ... bribes are where it is at.  Money talks ... from avoiding the full consequences of a driving infraction right up to a privileged existence as well as protection within the prison system.   Apparently ... as there is no jury ... judges who rule in criminal cases have been known to have been paid off to rule favorably on behalf of the accusing.

I am counting on the influence of Stephany's father that Joran does not escape justice and ... will serve his sentence in Peru.

I sincerely hope Stephany's family comprehends that it was a corrupt Aruban investigation that prevented justice from prevailing for Natalee Holloway.  It was not due to a lack of evidence.  It was not due to "mistakes".

Janet

+++++++

September 17, 2010
Natalee Holloway's mom visits Joran van der Sloot in jail
Posted: 02:46 PM ET


There are so many rumors swirling about Beth Holloway's visit to Lima, Peru and face-to-face meeting with Joran van der Sloot at Castro Castro. Let's look at the facts and start from the beginning. 

I just spoke with Enrique Flores, Stephany Flores’ brother, who says that on Tuesday of this week, at the invitation of Beth Holloway, he went to her Lima hotel to meet with her. Enrique says he was met with television cameras, which was extremely surprising to him. Beth asked him how the family was doing and continued to express her sympathies. Enrique says that Beth asked him about Stephany’s case…what was happening and also asked how long he believed Joran van der Sloot might serve in prison. Enrique told the camera crew he wasn’t giving interviews and was not talking about the case. He said the meeting with Beth then ended.

“It was very short," said Flores.

http://insession.blogs.cnn.com/2010/09/17/natalee-holloways-mom-visits-joran-van-der-sloot-in-jail/?iref=allsearch
 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on October 24, 2010, 11:54:12 AM
Hi Nut44x4, Tamikosmom, Magnolia and 6 Guests  :smt039


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: San on October 24, 2010, 12:41:51 PM
van der Sloot...sitting and waiting for appeal judge's ruling

http://www.cbs42.com/content/localnews/story/van-der-Sloot-sitting-and-waiting-for-appeal/-cTzPLyhHEWbZM8b_twgAw.cspx?rss=1659

Birmingham, Al  (WIAT)  Joran van der Sloot is still waiting to find out if his murder confession can be used against him.

The Dutchman confessed to killing 21 year old Stephany Flores after the student found material relating to Natalee Holloway on his laptop.

Flores' body was found in van der Sloot's Lima, Peru hotel room five years to the day after Natalee's disappearance on a graduation trip to Aruba.

Van der Sloot has never been charged in the disappearance of the Mountain Brook teenager but is considered the prime suspect in the case.

Two members of a three judge appeal panel voted to throw out the Flores' murder confession citing procedural grounds but under Peruvian law it takes three judges.  A fourth judge has been reviewing the case for weeks.

Meanwhile, Dutch crime reporter John van den Heuvel had a book signing in Amsterdam Friday for his newly released "Joran Murder Mysteries" which claims to tie together all the loose ends in the Holloway and Flores cases.



Reminder:  They don't need a confession.  They have a body and DNA.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: San on October 24, 2010, 12:47:20 PM
Hi Nut44x4, Tamikosmom, Magnolia and 6 Guests  :smt039

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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Kermit on October 24, 2010, 01:52:33 PM
Rudolf H. Vrolijk aka CapsLockWizard

Kermit
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #832 4/22/10 - 6/2/10
« Reply #736 on: May 17, 2010, 04:14:27 PM »


From: capslockwizard@hotmail.com
To: daveholloway@xxxxxx
Subject: RE: Nathalee possible buried place
Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 15:18:15 -0500

Hi Dave,
 
To get Natalee Body you have to come to Aruba and arrange for some large Pumps that can drain a small pond. It has an odd shape.
 
I have decipher the Shango Riddle and the outcome of the Riddle points out the cover-up and also where the body was deposit in Aruba.
 
Babalú Says: June 27th, 2005 at 12:30 am ******* NAT STORY *******

Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 8:11 pm

One straight path (Make a Straight Line to the house of Rave, (Night Club Spice – Now Closed)

while of gold bricks ( The Bank – Go to The Bank, there is two banks, The Aruba Bank and Carribean Bank)

the road is not paved, (Go on the dirt road, This only is is accessible via the Aruba Bank)

answers mysterious lie within

magical letters which spell sin

XTC DNA (Pharmacy) (Natalee body was deposit  behind the pharmacy in Noord and it is call the Monserat Body of water)
 
Load this attached Google earth File to see the place.

See my Google Earth Map points to see where the Shango is pointing to. My Report is also pointing the the same place. I did send my report to FBI in Brimingham Field office. but they have done noting to it.

My Report come with the same conclusion based on facts and conditions that have to be met so that the question is solid 'True' in a truth condition.
 
The Sloot's error was 'The Time' first he said that he pickup Joran at 4:00 am at Mcdonald and then switch back to 11:00 pm. An Event can not be in the Future and also In The Past. This will create a time paradox and where there is time paradox one have to lie to cover it up. The Other paradox is the 'sneaker' You can not be without sneaker at 4:00 am while he says he left it on the beach.
 
I did write my Report use the 'AND Logic' theory to test one simple string of connected AND events question. The question string
 
'Where would he hide a dead body So that nobody will find it And  Not been seen And  At the same time lose one of his shoes And Then walk on one shoe to Mc Donald’s And Where His Dad pick him up at 4:00 am'

Dave, The Shango report also show a cover-up that is at the heart of The Dutch Court System. I will be difficult to start proceedings without a plan. I will be capslocwizard for now even though my report has my real name on it. I want leave it confidential for now.
 
Yours Truly,
 
CAPSLOCKWIZARD.

+++++++
 
 
Extract from my report

Test 3:   The murky Pool of Monserat. – Behind the Soccer field.
This area is possible because it is behind the soccer field of Deportivo Nacional.  It is accessible from the soccer field. This area is dark. Also you are not on the main road with a dead body. But not too far from home either but closer to Mc Donald’s.

If they decided after running around to dump the body into murky pool of Monesrat, they could have done the following:

a)   Look if anyone can see us
b)   Carry the body to the area
c)    Lift the body (extra Weight)
d)   Move into the water edges
e)   Feet will sink
f)    Drop the body in the water
g)   Try to pull feet out of the water
h)   Joran loses a sneaker
i)    Going separate ways from the dumping scene to create different alibi.

RESULTS:

Examining points a,b,c,d,e,f,g,h,i all is plausible. (True condition)

Point (a) nobody will see you when go over there it is quite secluded and dark.

Point (b) it is right there no even 5 meters from where you park your car

Point (c) will give you extra weight

Point (d) if you want to make sure nobody will ever find the body; you have to walk deeper into the water.

Point (e) the extra weight and the action of going deeper into the water   will make sure that your feet will sink into the mud.

Points (f) drop her into the deep end and nobody will find her because nobody is going to look for her over there.

Point (g) the process of the going into the deep end, Joran feet get stuck into the mud.

Point (h) by the simple action to turn around to walk back out of the water he lost his shoes.

Point (j) when they split up, their action leaves Joran walking toward his father who is at the Radisson Casino. He could not have walk back home because it is too far. And walking back means crossing the Noord Police station. The distance from the soccer field to Mcdonlad;s is only 15 min walking.

He just committed a crime and his instinct will not let him do this. So he decided to call his dad and started to walk without his sneakers towards him. His dad walks out of the casino, jumps into his car and at the traffic light is where he saw Joran walking near the McDonalds around 4:00 a.m. with a shoe missing. From there they drove home.

The Kalpoe’s brothers at the spilt up, Went behind the Racquet Club and sit and wonder what they just did. It is here that other witnesses say that they saw his car parked near the area.

If they did not split up, they could have drove Joran back home.

Option 2- Hide the body in a temporary place, then to get rid of the body on May 31, 2005 around 2:30 am with the following conditions: Kalpoe’s car left behind at Joran’s home and Joran car now with the dead body in it.

Option -2 Will leaves Joran always with a car and never at foot to walk alone to McDonald’s. And the date is May, 31, 2005

Test case Observation:

All 3 test cases show the possible places that can be use to dispose of a body.
Test 1 was invalided due to he could always walk home after they separate to create different alibi.

Test 2 was Invalided due to he could have walk across the street to the Radisson hotel parking lot and there he would have been waiting for his father after they separate to create different alibi.

Test 3 shows clearly where he was coming from and where his dad picks him up. It shows also that the area in question is dark were no body can see you. The water over there is muddy where one can lose a shoe. Also it forms a clear walking path toward the Mc Donald’s or to the Radisson Casino.

All three Test show also that if they did not went their separate ways they could have driven Joran back Home where he could have put on another shoe.

The action to go separate way has forced them to create all kinds of semi true stories that looks plausible but if the Investigators have spend the time to look the practice on what normal people do when they want to have a quickie they would have seen that their stories cannot be true.

Other observation is that since they created so many stories to hide the place from being find is because that they could not retrieved the body from that area. So I believe that the body is still in the water pond of Monserat.

Other observation is that on May 31, 2005 the Sloot’s went back to make sure that the body cannot be found. If option – 2 was chosen from the beginning, this would Joran always with his car and no need to walk.

Other observation is that they could not have use Joran’s car to go to the Whitehouse because it is an open Jeep. There is no way to hide more people in the car.

Conclusion and My Opinion

To deviate from the true crime area they made all plausible, but not so true stories.

With Google Earth I was able to pin-point the possible location where Joran could have lost a shoe and also how far it is from the Whitehouse apartment, how far it is from his house if he needed to walk back and also keeping an eye on the time to do the job.

The story about dumping the body on the beach cannot be true because you have already a dead body on your hand and you cannot do that. The chance to be seen with a dead body is too high and risky.

Finding someone to help you to dump it in the ocean means more people involved and the chance to be snitch on will increase and the chance to be seen by the coast guard is too high. Also the body will float back if not tied down on the bottom floor of the sea. This requires a more depth knowledge of buoyancy and understanding of the ocean currents of Aruba and knowing that when the wind turn even sunken boats come back to shore. So this is not possible.

The talk about putting the body in a crab cage is also flaws. In Aruba they do not use these big cages and their fishing techniques are with lines and rods.
Dumping the body in a landfill is possible and there is only one open land fill in the vicinity of Joran’s home. Plausible? yes but loosing the shoe there is also plausible but then you are left walking bare feet on metals, Cactus, boxes, broken glasses and God knows what, etc. Try to go to a land fill with just slippers and you can see that it is very difficult to walk on debris of rubbish and in the dark more it will be very difficult. Sniffing dog would have found her already. Note: a dog cannot sniff in waters.
 
Other issue is that he could not have been driving on the main roads because the chance to be stop by cops in those hours of the morning is quite possible. One Instinct will be to drive on the back roads.
 
Conclusion:
 
It the girl died on them, the only logic solution was for them to call the police and explain to the police that she died on them while partying but no… They decided to dispose of the body. After all what has happened, Joran’s dad advice was to dispose of the body. And knowing that his dad is a Judge, Joran would have follows the dad’s advice knowingly all the implication that will come from his careless actions.
 
Joran would have asked his Dad for advice and I do believe the wrong advice was given to protect the son that was going to study in the Netherlands.
 
Where to look for the Body:
 
The only way the body can be found is to search for the shoes round the edges for the murky pools of Monserat in Aruba, and when the sneaker is found, the body will be there also. Drain this body of water and see what is in there
 
Need some someting to validate this statement (The Shango Riddle decypher code).
 
The Dad statement:
 
The reason they got away is that there is not a body to link with the presumed crime case. The father of Joran stated clearly that if there is NOT A BODY there will be NO CASE.
 
And so, to make the above statement true, the perps must have to make sure that the body cannot be found, They created fictional stories to cover their track, but they forgot one thing, a Body will be decompose slowly in mud and it will be found with time.
 
How did they could accomplish that on May 31, 2005
 
Note:            02.  ALBERTO GROENEVELD AND CLAUDIO ELDRIDGE – DEEPAK'S VEHICLE

At 2:30 AM on the morning of May 31, 2005 .... Alberto Groeneveld and Claudio Eldrige observed Deepak Kalpoe's vehicle inside the fence of the Van der Sloot property.  These men told Natalee’s family that they climbed the fence and recording the tag (license) number.

We know that Alberto and Claudio were supposed to be with Beth/Jug and Charles Croes trying to locate Joran in the early morning hours of 5/31.  That's when they supposidly saw the Kalpoe car there.
Assume that they decide on that date, the 31st of May to make sure that nobody will find the body. They must have gone back to the dumping area in the night. This action will account for the time that Joran and Kalpoe was missing on the 31st of May where Kalpoe left his car at Joran’s home.
 
This is plausible since they have to do it at night to double check that the area where they dumped the body is the perfect area and to make sure the body did not come back to float.
 
What this time tells us is that since it is almost the same time as of the may 30 and nobody has seen anything; they decided to use the same time again to go to the area to double check on the body.
 
Other factor to count that late hour is that in the day time they cannot go to the area because the chances to be seen near the field while the field being is used and the area is occupied with traffic will expose them and is risky.
 
On the date may 31 around 2:30 or time, they either make it sure she is secured in the deep end or to pick her up and to be buried some other place.
 
Looking at the place, I do not think they are going to pick her up in the night either. You need scuba equipment to do it and light, it is plausible, but to secure it, it’s more likely, to put more debris on top of the body in the water where she was dumped.

My Note: That area is full of these big black Ants called Bashaka in Papiamento. I went to see it for myself and it is plausible that the Kalpoe’s contaminated his car with Ants from that area.
Note:        05.  NEIGHBOUR - WASHING/CLEANING DEEPAK'S VEHICLE

Shortly after 3:00 AM on the morning of May 31, 2005 Deepak Kalpoe was observed by a neighbor cleaning his vehicle.  'Ants' were the reason given by Deepak.

My Note: The question which was asked “if Joran got help from kalpoe” and the answer is YES, The area is full of Ants and he also must has got mud in the car on May 31, 2005.

What Next for 2008:
Ask Aruba to search the edged of the murky water reservoirs of Monserat or pump the water out and where you find the sneakers in the mud, you will also find the body of Natalee.
 
For what I have observed about this body of water, it is plausible that the body is still in the body of water. The water is so murky and still water. It has a deep end with a ridge in the middle of the pond that will prevent the body to move out.
 
Also note that the lines of events make a straight line to and from his house. And that is the most likely route because he was familiar with the area.
 
When someone is scare or in panic, you do not go to the hotels with a dead body. Nature instinct will say let’s go and get help and the advice he got (from his father who is a Judge) was to dispose of the body and he (the father) will take care of the legal ramification.
 
 Please review and let me know what you think of this research.
This report is send to the following persons and authorities:
 
A)   Beth Twitty. – The FBI should forward it to Beth Twitty
B)   The FBI Special Agent Carmen S. Adams – Birmingham@ic.fbi.gov
 
About Me:
Name: Rudolf H. Vrolijk
Address: Shiribana 6, Aruba
Email: Vrolijkr@hotmail.com
Email: capslockwizard@hotmail.com
Phone: 297-746-7000

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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Kermit on October 24, 2010, 02:05:38 PM
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #720 2/3 -
« Reply #557 on: February 03, 2008, 09:41:31 PM »
Dave is now the Key to prove this lier wrong.
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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Kermit on October 24, 2010, 02:24:18 PM
Kermit
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #785 12/13/08 -
« Reply #901 on: December 17, 2008, 07:17:24 PM »

JOHN SILVETTI TELLS CAPS THAT THE TRAP/CAGE IS A POSTOFFICE AND THE CAGE WAS EMPTY.

MARCH 3, 2008 – John Silvetti meets with CapsLockWizard

From an email sent from CapsLockWizard:

“Yes, We did have the meeting today. It was a long meeting and we are all set to start the process of a permit to drain. Witness will gave statement to Lawyer (Helen), Lawyer will motion to drain the pond to OM. If Motion denied, will go to media and expose more dirt. John knows everything now and he will stay behind to help and protect. John state the cage was empty. it was full of these broken plastic bags that shows on the cam like skull, but he said to me it is the water doing tricks when picture was taken. He thinks also it is a postoffice. When I told him the story about the cage, he also understand now some things that he could not have question about. Like why is the Panter allways parked over the spot while there is notting anymore in he cage. The meeting end at 5:00 pm and was very good. About the Pipes. They will be checked. Also John thinks that the signs are there but need to drain the pond. Also Withness is 99% it was some one that came from the pond area that he saw, because it looks like a dutch man and was cover in mud from the chest down.”

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2 - Tim is now trying to back peddle from what he said the last time on Steph's show - that those remains were male.
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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Kermit on October 24, 2010, 02:33:28 PM
CAPSLOCKWIZARD POSTED:
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #789
Reply #115 on: January 02, 2009, 02:17:45 AM

I work alone with a group that can not be put at risk

What I hate the most of this site now is the way the information is twisted, but it is the same method that was use by those that made Natalee desapear, they twist the info.
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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 24, 2010, 04:19:17 PM
van der Sloot...sitting and waiting for appeal judge's ruling

http://www.cbs42.com/content/localnews/story/van-der-Sloot-sitting-and-waiting-for-appeal/-cTzPLyhHEWbZM8b_twgAw.cspx?rss=1659

Birmingham, Al  (WIAT)  Joran van der Sloot is still waiting to find out if his murder confession can be used against him.

The Dutchman confessed to killing 21 year old Stephany Flores after the student found material relating to Natalee Holloway on his laptop.

Flores' body was found in van der Sloot's Lima, Peru hotel room five years to the day after Natalee's disappearance on a graduation trip to Aruba.

Van der Sloot has never been charged in the disappearance of the Mountain Brook teenager but is considered the prime suspect in the case.

Two members of a three judge appeal panel voted to throw out the Flores' murder confession citing procedural grounds but under Peruvian law it takes three judges.  A fourth judge has been reviewing the case for weeks.

Meanwhile, Dutch crime reporter John van den Heuvel had a book signing in Amsterdam Friday for his newly released "Joran Murder Mysteries" which claims to tie together all the loose ends in the Holloway and Flores cases.



Reminder:  They don't need a confession.  They have a body and DNA.

Exactly!!!

When it is considered that the Peruvian investigation has been afforded a body as well as other physical evidence including a video ... it difficult to comprehend why Joran's attorney is attempting to have the confession thrown out.  It was my understanding that in the Peruvian system a confession implies the accused receives a much lighter sentence than being found guilty following a trial.

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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Kermit on October 24, 2010, 04:31:55 PM
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I think Kub should meet Cat, (aka: Tiger, Joebear, Siamese, etc)

That is true. I live in Buffalo just a few blocks from the Peace Bridge into Canada. I constantly get picked up by Roger's, which is a Canadian cell service. The charges are reversed but it's a pain. The closer I am to the lake or the river, the more apt I am to get those charges from Canada. My phone company explained that the cell towers in Fort Erie Canada are actually closest to me and that's why it picks them up while roaming. I suppose if anyone triangulated my phone, it would look like I was in Canada, but that really only reinforces the theory of where Casey was. The closest cell tower would pick her up.
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Jen posted:
Proof that person came from CNG site. Note the dates/times of KNOWN CNG members:

Domain Name rr.com ? (Commercial)
IP Address 74.77.136.# (Road Runner)
ISP Road Runner
Location Continent : North America
Country : United States (Facts)
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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 24, 2010, 04:33:28 PM

<snipped>

STEPH WATTS BLOG RADIO SHOW WITH TIM MILLER
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/profile.aspx?userurl=watts-up-with-this
Two things I find very interesting here.

1 - Tim is stating that Silvetti knew there were REMAINS in that cage

2 - Tim is now trying to back peddle from what he said the last time on Steph's show - that those remains were male.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=7126.880



STEPH WATTS AND TIM MILLER INVERVIEW

The Trap

February 14, 2010


http://www.blogtalkradio.com/watts-up-with-this/2010/02/15/watts-up-with-this

Tim Miller: 

Aruba authorities dove on it and … six weeks later they said that the DNA came back as a male.

So, did we find Natalee?  I don’t know. It certainly looked like her clothes in that fish trap and again we know the night that Natalee disappeared the fisherman’s huts was broken into the knife was stolen; the big fish trap was stolen. 

It’s ironic we found one and I’ve actually got the pictures of that... you know that certainly appears to be a body in that fish trap.

Transcript: Kermit


February 28, 2010

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/watts-up-with-this/2010/03/01/watts-up-with-this

Tim Miller:

We don't know really know we can't say positively sure it was human remains we've got some pictures that made us wonder.

John Silvetti doesn't feel 100% that it was.  That is why John wants to go back to search we just got mixed messages on that and perhaps we over-reacted on that what we seen at the time looked suspcious.

I can't say positive one way or another what it was.

Transcript: Kermit


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Kermit on October 24, 2010, 04:39:06 PM
van der Sloot...sitting and waiting for appeal judge's ruling

http://www.cbs42.com/content/localnews/story/van-der-Sloot-sitting-and-waiting-for-appeal/-cTzPLyhHEWbZM8b_twgAw.cspx?rss=1659

Birmingham, Al  (WIAT)  Joran van der Sloot is still waiting to find out if his murder confession can be used against him.

The Dutchman confessed to killing 21 year old Stephany Flores after the student found material relating to Natalee Holloway on his laptop.

Flores' body was found in van der Sloot's Lima, Peru hotel room five years to the day after Natalee's disappearance on a graduation trip to Aruba.

Van der Sloot has never been charged in the disappearance of the Mountain Brook teenager but is considered the prime suspect in the case.

Two members of a three judge appeal panel voted to throw out the Flores' murder confession citing procedural grounds but under Peruvian law it takes three judges.  A fourth judge has been reviewing the case for weeks.

Meanwhile, Dutch crime reporter John van den Heuvel had a book signing in Amsterdam Friday for his newly released "Joran Murder Mysteries" which claims to tie together all the loose ends in the Holloway and Flores cases.



Reminder:  They don't need a confession.  They have a body and DNA.

Exactly!!!

When it is considered that the Peruvian investigation has been afforded a body as well as other physical evidence including a video ... it difficult to comprehend why Joran's attorney is attempting to have the confession thrown out.  It was my understanding that in the Peruvian system a confession implies the accused receives a much lighter sentence than being found guilty following a trial.

Janet

Janet,

Greetings,

You need to watch Greta more often and her attorney panel. Attorney's will try anything to get their client off. Remember Scott Peterson's attorney,  Mark Geragos and then the smoking gun girl friend with the tapes testified.

This is nothing more then posturing and Joran is NOT going to be set free.

BUT for the sake of looking at it from another angle & let's suppose he is found innocent of beating that poor child to death, and he walks out of Castro Castro, okay...................then THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA WILL HAVE HIS ASS AND TOAST IT IF NO OTHER COUNTRY CAN DO THE RIGHT THING! Double-dogged guaranteed!!!!!!

And

we'll bring those lepercan Kalpoe brothers over here to take the stand.





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on October 24, 2010, 04:42:26 PM
Lepercans.... ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Kermit on October 24, 2010, 04:43:39 PM
COLD AND CALCULATING AS HE JUST MURDERED A LITTLE GIRL - JUST LIKE NATALEE

NEVER FORGET

(http://www.radaronline.com/sites/default/files/photos/image_20100617/Van-Der-Sloot-4a.jpg)
05.33.55 Joran and Stephany enter the room
08.13.34 Joran exits to get coffee
08.24.44 Joran returns with coffee
08.35.50 Joran exits second time with (empty?) coffee cups


And TIM MILLER CAN DANCE WITH THE TRUTH ALL HE WANTS

IT TAKES BALLS TO BE A MAN AND STAND UP FOR THE TRUTH TIM!!!!!



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Kermit on October 24, 2010, 04:46:36 PM
Lepercans.... ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyHaHa::
::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on October 24, 2010, 04:48:28 PM
COLD AND CALCULATING AS HE JUST MURDERED A LITTLE GIRL - JUST LIKE NATALEE

NEVER FORGET

(http://www.radaronline.com/sites/default/files/photos/image_20100617/Van-Der-Sloot-4a.jpg)
05.33.55 Joran and Stephany enter the room
08.13.34 Joran exits to get coffee
08.24.44 Joran returns with coffee
08.35.50 Joran exits second time with (empty?) coffee cups


And TIM MILLER CAN DANCE WITH THE TRUTH ALL HE WANTS

IT TAKES BALLS TO BE A MAN AND STAND UP FOR THE TRUTH TIM!!!!!




IT TAKES BALLS TO BE A MAN AND STAND UP FOR THE TRUTH TIM!!!!!


For me,there is a right side of the tracks,and a wrong side of the tracks.Nothing in between!Natalee Holloway DESERVES better! ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 24, 2010, 04:54:46 PM
Kermit ... somehow ... with all the rights afforded the accused ... I believe that Joran van der Sloot would beat the extortion charges in the States.  I hope Peru locks him up for a long long time.

Think about it.  Joran pulled the same stunt with Greta producers.  He extorted $10,000 in exchange for the truth regards to selling Natalee to a sex trader but ... backtracked on the deal with Greta producers following the show.  Why did Greta not charge him with extortion?

Janet

 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Magnolia on October 24, 2010, 05:01:41 PM
CAPSLOCKWIZARD POSTED:
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #789
Reply #115 on: January 02, 2009, 02:17:45 AM

I work alone with a group that can not be put at risk

What I hate the most of this site now is the way the information is twisted, but it is the same method that was use by those that made Natalee desapear, they twist the info.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4340.msg608323#msg608323


Okay!  Which is it?  Alone or with a group? ::MonkeyJnBox::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: MuffyBee on October 24, 2010, 05:07:27 PM
CAPSLOCKWIZARD POSTED:
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #789
Reply #115 on: January 02, 2009, 02:17:45 AM

I work alone with a group that can not be put at risk

What I hate the most of this site now is the way the information is twisted, but it is the same method that was use by those that made Natalee desapear, they twist the info.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4340.msg608323#msg608323


Okay!  Which is it?  Alone or with a group? ::MonkeyJnBox::

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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Magnolia on October 24, 2010, 05:08:16 PM
Kermit ... somehow ... with all the rights afforded the accused ... I believe that Joran van der Sloot would beat the extortion charges in the States.  I hope Peru locks him up for a long long time.

Think about it.  Joran pulled the same stunt with Greta producers.  He extorted $10,000 in exchange for the truth regards to selling Natalee to a sex trader but ... backtracked on the deal with Greta producers following the show.  Why did Greta not charge him with extortion?

Janet

 


Because Fox got what they paid for!  They paid for the license of the phone call between Joran and Paulus.
They didn't require that it be honest or truthful.  They broadcast the phone call recording.

I always thought it was $25,000 they paid. 

That was another of Steph Watts brilliant moves.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 24, 2010, 05:08:47 PM
Kermit ... somehow ... with all the rights afforded the accused ... I believe that Joran van der Sloot would beat the extortion charges in the States.  I hope Peru locks him up for a long long time.

Think about it.  Joran pulled the same stunt with Greta producers.  He extorted $10,000 in exchange for the truth regards to selling Natalee to a sex trader but ... backtracked on the deal with Greta producers following the show.  Why did Greta not charge him with extortion?

Janet

 

Another Extortion?  No Consequences?

Fallout From Joran van der Sloot's 'On the Record' Interview
Wednesday, November 26, 2008


GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, HOST: Coming up: You heard Joran van der Sloot in an interview done in Thailand say he sold Natalee, but eight hours later, before we had even gotten out of Thailand, an e-mail flashed across my BlackBerry. Joran said he lied to us. Did Joran lie to us? And if so, when? When he said he sold Natalee or eight hours later, when he said it was not true? Joran's lawyer, Joe Tacopina, joins us next.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

VAN SUSTEREN: Joran van der Sloot says he told his father Paulus that he sold Natalee Holloway to a man in Aruba. Joran says he recorded conversations between his father an him that refer to this sale and could possibly corroborate what he told us on tape.

<snipped>

VAN SUSTEREN: Joran van der Sloot's lawyer, Joe Tacopina, joins us live. Joe, am I right, you still do represent Joran?

JOE TACOPINA, ATTORNEY FOR JORAN VAN DER SLOOT: I represent him, Greta, for the purpose of the Aruba investigation, which for all intents and purposes is over.

Quite frankly, when you asked me to come on last week or a few weeks ago, I hadn't seen this tape. Had I seen this first, I probably would have declined your invitation, Greta, because I just - we could do this - and look, obviously you paid him some money to either give him a tape recording or have him give you tapes or to submit to an interview.

VAN SUSTEREN: Stop there. Let me explain something.

TACOPINA: Please.

VAN SUSTEREN: Just so you get it right. He contacted us. He said he had a tape.

TACOPINA: Yes.

VAN SUSTEREN: I said we couldn't buy it, but we could license it. That's what the media does. You license photos, you license recordings, you license tape.

He gave us the tape. We've had it sent to someone to have it checked out if there were problems with it. I went to Thailand to find out what the story was on the tape to fill in the blanks to corroborate it.

TACOPINA: OK. So whatever I have - I mean, an email from one of your producers, Steph Watts, you know, to Joran, talking about the Western Union transaction. Greta, look --

VAN SUSTEREN: That is how the money is transferred. There's no secret. There's no secret.

TACOPINA: You paid him for a tape that he made and wound up getting an hour interview with him. And so be it, Greta. Great TV, great ratings- -

VAN SUSTEREN: Do you have a problem with that?

TACOPINA: Yes, I do have a problem with it, Greta, because if you offered Joran $10,000 tomorrow and ask him to tell you a fifth story, he would do it.

Clearly, he's a sick kid. Clearly, I have nothing to say in defense of his actions, Greta. OK?

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,457715,00.html


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 24, 2010, 05:22:47 PM
CAPSLOCKWIZARD POSTED:
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #789
Reply #115 on: January 02, 2009, 02:17:45 AM

I work alone with a group that can not be put at risk

What I hate the most of this site now is the way the information is twisted, but it is the same method that was use by those that made Natalee desapear, they twist the info.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4340.msg608323#msg608323


Okay!  Which is it?  Alone or with a group? ::MonkeyJnBox::

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::monkeywine2::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: nonesuche on October 24, 2010, 05:38:08 PM
Where is Nonesuche?  Is she banned? ::MonkeyDevil:: (I was going to use that cute pig picture, but I knew she'd just come in here and put a tiara on it. lol)

Check for her in the football thread tomorrow. She's been busy but usually stops by there on game day  ::MonkeyCool::

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8375.msg1251158#new


 ::MonkeyHaHa:: put a tiara on it....

 ::MonkeyCheer4:: Klaas' team is #1  ::MonkeyCheer4::

I am fresh out of tiara's........I heard they may be passe' due to the economic downturn?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: nonesuche on October 24, 2010, 05:40:50 PM
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Tkubi7

I think Kub should meet Cat, (aka: Tiger, Joebear, Siamese, etc)

That is true. I live in Buffalo just a few blocks from the Peace Bridge into Canada. I constantly get picked up by Roger's, which is a Canadian cell service. The charges are reversed but it's a pain. The closer I am to the lake or the river, the more apt I am to get those charges from Canada. My phone company explained that the cell towers in Fort Erie Canada are actually closest to me and that's why it picks them up while roaming. I suppose if anyone triangulated my phone, it would look like I was in Canada, but that really only reinforces the theory of where Casey was. The closest cell tower would pick her up.
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hay welkom here !!!
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #775 11/16/08 thru
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Is that CAPS ????????????? in the photo??????? heebie jeebies, a face to cause a nightmare


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 24, 2010, 05:43:08 PM
It is my hope that justice will prevail for Stephany Flores and ... Joran will serve a long sentence in a Peruvian lockup ... a long sentence that implies no more Natalee's and Stephany's are at risk.

Janet

++++++


November 19, 2008:

BETH HOLLOWAY: And Greta, I was just wanting to say that, you know, like I said, it's been a long time, but it's never too late for justice. And I'd be good with a "Midnight Express" prison anywhere for Joran.


http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,454527,00.html



IT WAS ALL A HOAX

Holloway attorney details van der Sloot sting
updated 6/11/2010 12:58:39 PM ET


When Kelly returned to the States, he contacted the FBI and began to set up the elaborate sting with the FBI and Aruban law-enforcement authorities.

He regained van der Sloot’s attention by sending him $100. Then, with a promise that he would bring $25,000, another meeting was set up for May 10 in Aruba.

This time, Kelly was hooked up with recording devices and rehearsed in how he needed to handle the transaction. He gave van der Sloot $10,000 in cash, establishing extortion, then had $15,000 of Twitty's personal money wired to van der Sloot’s bank account in the Netherlands, establishing wire fraud.

Van der Sloot and Kelly signed a contract, and van der Sloot took the lawyer on a drive to show where Holloway’s remains were. He pointed out a house and said his father had helped dispose of the body in the foundation. It was later determined that the house was not built when Holloway disappeared on her high school’s senior trip and that the information was false.

Van der Sloot himself told Kelly in an e-mail he apparently sent from Peru a week after the meeting that he had lied.

“He indicated it was all a hoax, which is sort of his M.O. with everybody — get the money, then say it’s a hoax and avoid criminal prosecution,” Kelly said.   

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/37635627


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 24, 2010, 06:29:53 PM
http://birmingham.fbi.gov/dojpressrel/pressrel10/bh063010.htm

Department of Justice Press Release

For Immediate Release
June 30, 2010   United States Attorney's Office
Northern District of Alabama
Contact: (205) 244-2001

Federal Grand Jury Indicts Joran van der Sloot for Wire Fraud and Extortion

BIRMINGHAM, AL—A federal grand jury today indicted JORAN VAN DER SLOOT, a citizen of the Netherlands, on charges of wire fraud and extortion for soliciting money from Natalee Holloway’s mother on promises he would reveal the location of her daughter’s remains in Aruba and the circumstances of her 2005 death, U.S. Attorney Joyce White Vance and FBI Special Agent in Charge Patrick Maley announced.

“I want to applaud the FBI’s work on this case,” Vance said. “The FBI worked diligently, and in association with Aruban authorities, to investigate and gather evidence in this matter after learning that Beth Holloway had been contacted and told she could finally gain information about the death of her daughter if she would pay $250,000,” Vance said. “Because of the agents’ dedicated efforts, we are able to bring charges against someone who sought profit in a mother’s grief.”

Natalee Holloway, a resident of Mountain Brook, Ala., was last seen alive, at age 18, on May 30, 2005, while in the country of Aruba. As noted in the indictment, she was in the company of van der Sloot the day of her disappearance.

The two-count indictment filed in U.S. District Court charges van der Sloot with extortion for exploiting Beth Holloway’s fear that she would never find her daughter’s body or know what happened to her unless she paid him $250,000.

The indictment also charges van der Sloot with wire fraud for using false promises that he would reveal the location of Natalee Holloway’s body in order to induce Beth Holloway to make wire transfers of money.

According to the indictment, van der Sloot caused Beth Holloway to wire $15,000 from her bank in Birmingham to his account at a bank in the Netherlands. The indictment also charges that he caused her to wire $10,000 to lawyer John Q. Kelly in New York so that Kelly could later carry that money to Aruba and deliver it to van der Sloot in person. The indictment identifies Kelly as an advisor and legal representative of Beth Holloway who served as her intermediary with van der Sloot.

The indictment describes how van der Sloot’s scheme to defraud Natalee Holloway’s mother proceeded as follows:

After van der Sloot initially contacted Kelly and said he would reveal the location of Natalee Holloway’s remains for $250,000, he later agreed to lead Kelly to the site of her remains for $25,000. Once identification of the remains was confirmed, Beth Holloway was to pay the remaining $225,000 to van der Sloot.

Van der Sloot received the $25,000 from Beth Holloway and led Kelly to a specific site in Aruba. He identified the site as the location where Natalee Holloway’s remains were buried, although he knew that information was false.

Van der Sloot kept the $25,000, but later confirmed by e-mail that the information he had provided was “worthless.”

The indictment seeks forfeiture of $25,100 from van der Sloot. That amount includes $100 Beth Holloway initially wired to the Netherlands bank to confirm van der Sloot’s account.

The FBI investigated the case. Assistant U.S. Attorneys Michael Whisonant, William G. Simpson and James D. Ingram are prosecuting the matter.

Members of the public are reminded that the indictment contains only charges. A defendant is presumed innocent and it will be the government’s burden to prove a defendant’s guilt beyond a reasonable doubt at trial.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: MuffyBee on October 24, 2010, 07:12:31 PM
mchenry and 12 Guests are viewing this topic.    ::HelloKitty::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: mchenry on October 24, 2010, 07:46:34 PM
mchenry and 12 Guests are viewing this topic.    ::HelloKitty::
Hi MuffyBee, I'm trying to catch up on Natalee's case. This is heartbreaking. My love and prayers to Beth!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on October 24, 2010, 08:06:24 PM
HEY it's 49 ::rhino:: and 8:10 pm


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: darleenofalabama on October 24, 2010, 08:07:53 PM
Passe'??  Nonesuche, you go wash your mouth out with soap!  LOL  Anyway, for a great investment, everybody ought to be buying up tiaras, and gold!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: MuffyBee on October 24, 2010, 08:11:55 PM
HEY it's 49 ::rhino:: and 8:10 pm


 ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: MuffyBee on October 24, 2010, 08:13:54 PM
mchenry and 12 Guests are viewing this topic.    ::HelloKitty::
Hi MuffyBee, I'm trying to catch up on Natalee's case. This is heartbreaking. My love and prayers to Beth!


Hey ya' mchenry  ::teddybear::

I agree, this case is heartbreaking. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849
Post by: Nut44x4 on October 24, 2010, 08:15:41 PM
Billb - me too!  I'll see you there!
I'm younger than I look.... ::MonkeyCool::

 ::MonkeyCool::
Well hell.........I used to be.......


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 - 10/24/10
Post by: Nut44x4 on October 24, 2010, 08:16:40 PM
yA KNOW WHAT.......... I just looked into the main file and see a thread already ready.....I am gonna change now cause Klaas is out for the evening and I am recently on board as a soft mod...and I can change it. MUFFY U GOT THE SWITCH>??


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 24, 2010, 08:17:22 PM

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Beth_Natalee_June20102.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/StephanyandherfatherRicardoFlores.jpg)

JUSTICE FOR NATALEE
AND STEPHANY!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on October 24, 2010, 08:18:07 PM
So CapslockWizard is dealing Russian Oil and Cuban Sugar and Molasses??? ::MonkeyShocked::

no wonder my molasasssssssss costs so much now!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 - 10/24/10
Post by: Nut44x4 on October 24, 2010, 08:19:49 PM
God, I feel pain everytime I look into Beth's eyes. Damn


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849
Post by: San on October 24, 2010, 08:20:51 PM
Billb - me too!  I'll see you there!
I'm younger than I look.... ::MonkeyCool::

 ::MonkeyCool::
Well hell.........I used to be.......

I'm immature but I'm old.  ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 - 10/24/10
Post by: San on October 24, 2010, 08:23:19 PM
Who is locking?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 - 10/24/10
Post by: San on October 24, 2010, 08:23:50 PM
Muffy do you have the lock?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 - 10/24/10
Post by: darleenofalabama on October 24, 2010, 08:24:39 PM
Well, I'm not running this place, but I'm locking myself out for now.  See y'all later--and give my love to nonesuche if she shows up in here!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 - 10/24/10
Post by: Nut44x4 on October 24, 2010, 08:25:02 PM
I think I DO san............ ::piggy:: i hope


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 - 10/24/10
Post by: San on October 24, 2010, 08:25:44 PM
I think I DO san............ ::piggy:: i hope


Thanks Nut.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 - 10/24/10
Post by: Nut44x4 on October 24, 2010, 08:26:16 PM
is it time yet?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 - 10/24/10
Post by: San on October 24, 2010, 08:26:48 PM
is it time yet?


Almost


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 - 10/24/10
Post by: San on October 24, 2010, 08:27:34 PM
Go for it.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 -
Post by: texasmom on October 24, 2010, 08:29:05 PM


(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Beth_Natalee_June20102.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/StephanyandherfatherRicardoFlores.jpg)

JUSTICE FOR NATALEE
AND STEPHANY!



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 - 10/24/10
Post by: San on October 24, 2010, 08:30:27 PM
Where did Nut go  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 - 10/24/10
Post by: Nut44x4 on October 24, 2010, 08:31:40 PM

shit sorry this is locked go here...........
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8719.0


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 - 10/24/10
Post by: Nut44x4 on October 24, 2010, 08:32:27 PM
did I do it?